Berlin

[Nullnull]

Hi AM / Nullnull, thanks for the feedback, guys. I will probably follow AM's efficient order of visitation. It's interesting, Nullnull, that you say KD had the disapppointing line up. The KD website pictures (Marianna, Betty, Lea, Penny and Annabel, to name a few, have pretty appealing faces and nice bodies) are far more inviting than the pics on the Royal and VK websites. .Sorry for the late reply. I was disappointed maybe just because everybody seems to be enthusiastic about KD. But that day it was definitely not that good. The 5-6 girls seem to be in their 30s, had some not so fine parts of body fat and the faces were OK but not pretty or something. Having in mind that they also have this strict non-BBBJ rule (there are probably exceptions) I quit.

While definitely KD, VK and Royal (I would ad Liberty) normally have many appealing women I am generally not so convinced anymore by these places. There is something weird about their attitude to sell their girls as if they are well educated intelligent students. Most of them are not at all well educated or it is limited to the point that they can drop some names of upscale clubs and expensive restaurants. One girl at VK once tried to convince me that she likes to enjoy cultural events too (I was stupid enough to mention going to the Berliner Philharmoniker that evening) and guess with what example she came up? Having a picnic and drinking wine with friends at the Holocaust monument! LOL!

The much better looking women by my own standards (Young! Cute Faces! Slim!) I found at more mid-range places such as Tomsen (Bundesallee128) , Klix37 or sometimes even at shabby Thai bordellos in Berlin Neukoelln. And they even knew how to perform. But then at these smaller places there is always a higher risk that the 1 or 2 hotties have their day off or are already booked.

[Rocketboy0]

I was disappointed maybe just because everybody seems to be enthusiastic about KD. But that day it was definitely not that good. The 5-6 girls seem to be in their 30s, had some not so fine parts of body fat and the faces were OK but not pretty or something. Having in mind that they also have this strict non-BBBJ rule (there are probably exceptions) I quit.

While definitely KD, VK and Royal (I would ad Liberty) normally have many appealing women I am generally not so convinced anymore by these places. There is something weird about their attitude to sell their girls as if they are well educated intelligent students. The much better looking women by my own standards (Young! Cute Faces! Slim!) I found at more mid-range places such as Tomsen (Bundesallee128) , Klix37 or sometimes even at shabby Thai bordellos in Berlin Neukoelln. And they even knew how to perform. Well, to each his own. These are obviously taste things, who knows who was on during days you visited, what state of mind your were in, etc. You are of course entitled to your opinion. But my experience is dead opposite and I would disagree with just about every statement here. KD's strict policy on BBBJs is in practice a little more flexible (perhaps my strategy of using blindfolds and dipping mine in chocolate..). On the "intelligence" bit, you find it "weird" that girls are promoted as intelligent? I would find it weird if they were not. It would be an interesting strategy: "come to our bordello and converse with idiots". But who the hell goes to these places for the stimulating conversation? (If I want that, I just contact our esteemed Mr Magee). And on the thin, young beauty bits, all the well known, popular bordellos have this in spades and all the locals repeating suggests performance is good, which is why they are um, er, uh well known and popular. Look at the website pix there vs the several down-market venues you suggest. Sorry, I don't get it. But as I said. If it works for you, fine.

Angus's suggested list and sequence is and remains a good guide, for the rest of you on a schedule.

[Angus Magee]

Angus's suggested list and sequence is and remains a good guide, for the rest of you on a schedule.Actually I would definitely add Mon Rouge on to the list of "must Visit" places in Berlin. I did not mention it at all to LJ because of the early hour of his arrival and departure. But Mon Rouge is an excellent bordello, it is just that as it is really a night time place (open until 02:00 I believe) the chance of finding any top girls there before noon are almost zero.

As for the small places, it is very true one can find in them gems. But these girls are almost always new to town and usually quite unsophisticated. Not that sophisticated is something very important to me but it can mean a poor performance if the girl really has not come to any term with what she is in fact doing, fucking men for cash.

The girls at the bigger bordellos may not be world class courtesans, schooled in 15 languages and the classics, but usually they have spent some time in western Europe and it is possible to find some common ground.

AM

[Kurre]

While definitely KD, VK and Royal (I would ad Liberty) normally have many appealing women I am generally not so convinced anymore by these places. There is something weird about their attitude to sell their girls as if they are well educated intelligent students. Most of them are not at all well educated or it is limited to the point that they can drop some names of upscale clubs and expensive restaurants. One girl at VK once tried to convince me that she likes to enjoy cultural events too (I was stupid enough to mention going to the Berliner Philharmoniker that evening) and guess with what example she came up? Having a picnic and drinking wine with friends at the Holocaust monument! LOL!I too have been disappointed with the KD lineup (or actually the availability of providers) during past 3 or 4 visits. I guess I should have booked an appointment well in advance. But if you are ready to put in some effort and make a tour of these three places, a suitable girl should be easy to find.

As to the level of education of the girls, although there have been some obvious airheads, I have been usually pleasantly surprised by the intelligence and level of knowledge these girls have. My last visit to Royal yielded an unexpected double pleasure: a true GFE with a student of the same discipline I am myself educated in. We had a long talk after the session. She actually volunteered her phone number (two of them) and her non-stage name. I am still a bit perplexed how proceed with this information. I don't know if this common or not: a true jewel found or just another way to hook a regular?

[Nullnull]

.You are of course entitled to your opinion. But my experience is dead opposite and I would disagree with just about every statement here. KD's strict policy on BBBJs is in practice a little more flexible (perhaps my strategy of using blindfolds and dipping mine in chocolate.). On the "intelligence" bit, you find it "weird" that girls are promoted as intelligent? I would find it weird if they were not. It would be an interesting strategy: "come to our bordello and converse with idiots". But who the hell goes to these places for the stimulating conversation? (If .That's why I'd rather see them to leave that intellectual part out of their girls' descriptions. I mean if their "education" is mostly based on knowing that Gucci is better than Walmart then there is no point in promoting this.

And don't get me wrong. Apart from my not so good experience at KD I second that list here with Royal and VK especially for a short visit in Berlin. The girls there are mostly in the 6-8 class and you don't get there fat housewives presented. I started my bordello history in places such as VK but believe me the hottest looking and performing girls I found in different places. Maybe my desire for exotic (Asian, black) features played a part in this. And sometimes I met girls working in Royal / VK at another less expensive joint and they didn't look or perform worse.

[LuckyRichard]

Apparently they are no longer open on Sundays, contrary to their web site. Would say it is GFE if your GF is a cum crazy 25 year old with a tight body who enjoys going to swing clubs and [at least appears to] enjoy taking all cummers! Have to say that most of the mongers I know would not necessarily rate it that high, but my male swinger friends would say 10/10. Great value for as many pops as you can for basically the price of admission at Artemis. But, no swimming pool, etc. And it is a real gb experience. Management is extremely friendly, would agree with past posters that not a lot of instructions are given, tho. Would also concur that the food is superior and beers and some mixed drinks are free. Simple to find in publicc transit- Karl Marx Strasse stop. Was just there for a long weekend and passed up both Artemis and LaFolie, both of which I like a lot. But thenm, more of a swinger than one on one monger in the past, so YMMV. Must add the girls were extremely friendly and dod not give off a business vibe, at all.

[Wanking]

I have been making sex trips to Germany for 7 years now, around 50 trips in total I guess. I still have not been to Berlin, but am planning to make my next trip there before the summer.

Obviously the flat rate scene here is not the same as in the Dusseldorf area where I normally hangout, but a few places in Berlin interest me:

http://www.erlebniswohnung.com/en/

http://insomnia-berlin.de/

Possibly:

http://www.bordell-grunewaldstrasse23.de/startseite.html

http://www.caligula-berlin.de/

I know http://www.berlinintim.de/ Is the main site for gangbang etc, but does anyone know of any flate rate Bareback parties for instance?

Also any hotels with free travel cards like in Dusseldorf? Or any other helpful info?

When I finally arrive here for my holiday, I will probably go to a sex event every 2nd day, and do some touristy shit every other day over the course of about a week.

Please post any sites or other info that might be helpful to a Berlin Virgin, related to either sex or general info.

Finally I hope to meet our resident Berling ISGer Angus for a beer or a club visit, although I know he is not really into the flatrate scene,

Thanks,

WK

[Merkur]

Went to KD today and the line up was poor. Only 1 girl! It was several hours after they had opened but maybe just a busy day. Returned 1 hour later with a better parade. Around 4-5 girls. But I do have to agree with the others saying the selection at KD are poorer these days. Well, it could of course been a bad day but in the vorstellung there were no really stunners in my opinion. On previous visits the selection was better with beauties such as Julia. Has anyone seen Amy before? (no pics on the site) She was supposed to be in today but I did not see her in the parade, neither Felicia (whom I've visited before and is a beautiful girl) I thought KD was pretty strict on the no BBBJ policy but some reports tends to see it as more liberal. Blowjob with condom just isn't the same and more "sterile" A few more days in Berlin and not sure which place to visit. Any suggestions? Thought about heading of to Tiffany but I'm weary as I think the place is a bit on the shabby side with a bit too many "german housewives" types and less of the young and beautiful, also not being offered a shower is annoying. I've given VK a thought too but I agree with Angus Magee that the attitude from the management there is not the best, while the selection of girls are pretty good. No "anwesenheits" list on their site also. A Berlin version of the Termingirls (in Ratingen, outside Köln / Düsseldorf) would be nice, but I'm not sure such a place excist in Berlin. In Köln / Düsseldorf (or NRW in general) BBBJ is pretty standard and without any extra costs. In Berlin however from my experience its extra in most cases when offered. Where are the pornstar looking girls in Berlin?

[Rocketboy0]

Merkur-some of this is a taste thing-your "porn star" look might be skanky to me, and visa versa. So who knows really. Van Kampen has some winners (and once and for all, this "management attitude" stuff is just wrong-I have written about this before, Kimino was there without probs-all nonsense). KD. Felecia is only there 1x per week (Fridays as schedule clearly says). Ritter / Tiffany has some gems (and showers-don't know where you got that). But if you check out Royal, Prestige, Liberty, and slightly pricier Mon Rouge, surely even you can find satisfaction. Then of course there is always Artemis where the BBBJs are standard and lots of choices. Look on all their web pages, call ahead to check availability. All this has been discussed ad nauseum on the forum. You can risk spontaneity of course, but good mongering requires some work.

[Angus Magee]

Finally I hope to meet our resident Berling ISGer Angus for a beer or a club visit, although I know he is not really into the flatrate scene,

Thanks, As you note these things are not really my thing so I can not help you that much in your selection. In general I will say that I think KG is better over all than Caligula though by looking at the web site Caligula has an over all skankier line up. It seems that it is hard to coax a performance from the Caligula girls. That alone is not a reason not to visit as a monger such as yourself I am sure can find what he is looking for and find satisfaction.

As for AO gang bangs, the one that does seem to get a whole lot of press on the local forum is PornoLongJohn, WixiTrixi and Co.

http://www.pornfighterlongjohn.com/

Seems that he is a local porn celebrity who has a stable of minor female porno girls in his stable. I can not really speak of the quality but from his website things do look good. Be warned that the website it self is very busily designed and has loud music that needs to be turned off before you can really sift through all the shit and find the info that you might be looking for.

And definitely do get in touch at least for a beer and a chat.

AM

[Angus Magee]

The thing to remember about line ups is they can change drastically form day to day, even hour to hour. I have found myself going from apartment to apartment unable to find just the right girl. Especially during the day these places do get busy and one always needs to be prepared to say no and move on to the next place. In a way this is yet another reason for preferring Artemis as one can see readily who is available and who might be free in an hour or so. Rather than pounding the pave ment you can relax downstairs while you wait. I know some guys do not like the whole FKK set up but it really is a more comfortable way to browse in the end.

As for VK-I have already said that perhaps I have been hasty in declaring them a bunch of xenophobes. But I will stand by my observation that I have never felt as good (cared for & my patronage wanted) there as I have at other bordellos. Make of that what you will.

AM

[Merkur]

Thanks Rocketboy0 for good suggestions. I'm sorry if it sounded like I was whining in my report. It was never my intention. Indeed what is a good "pornstar" is subjective. I don't really fancy the bimbo types (heavy eyemakeup and so) as much as the more "natural looking". To get some general ideas of my fancies take a look at termingirls24. De.

I've met Sabrina at that place which is a really beauty. Maybe "pornstar attitude" is a better term, but then again porntar do a lot of fakes "oh and ahs". .

As for VK- I've been there several times and had both good and not so good responses For instance its happened before they got a bit cranky when I didn't fancy anyone in the parade and wanted to leave. One time I had to wait for in the room for nearly 20-30 minutes no matter how many times I knocked. I should of course just left myself. But walking around on my own- I did just that my first time in a bordello (it was VK in fact) without knowing the rules back then many years ago and the hausfrau there got quite mad. Of course bordellos have their system but I doubt its the end of the world should a customer meet another customer there. Without doubt VK has a lot of good looking girls and Amelie looks top notch to me,

About the shower thing in Tiffany- surely I can't be alone about this. I've visited that place 5 times before and was never offered a shower (3 times with Pia, seems she is not there anymore now). It always happened the girl was ready to start and I had to ask for a shower myself. Of course I got one then but this has never happened among the many other bordellos I've visited in Germany. I have no reasonably explanation for this.

I've never tried Royal, Prestige, Liberty, and Mon Rouge before. Thanks a lot for those suggestions.

Oh I almost forgot to mention- I tried a couple of thai massage places the last few days:

http://www.thai-massage-berlin.info

This one was really a dissapointment and the whole thing felt clinical (including the handjob- done with little feeling) Luckily I did not have to pay extra.

The masseuse tried to convince me to have two girls but I politely declinded smelling it was too much business like.

The second place I tried was better:

http://peilin.massagedamen.de

There you get half hour "Bangkok" massage for 50€ meaning the girl gets naked. A "Pattaya massage" was slighlty more expensive and means body to body. Handjob included in the price here too and more is possible for extra money. I was offered blowjob for 30€ extra but I left it with just the handjob which was fairly good compared to the bad one at the first thai massage place. I think intercourse was also possible. Unfourtenately Peilin (the best looking in my opnion) was not there. Not sure really what are the "best" thai massage places in Berlin

[Rocketboy0]

Thanks Rocketboy0 for good suggestions. I'm sorry if it sounded like I was whining in my report. It was never my intention. Indeed what is a good "pornstar" is subjective.

As for VK- I've been there several times and had both good and not so good responses For instance its happened before they got a bit cranky when I didn't fancy anyone in the parade and wanted to leave. One time I had to wait for in the room for nearly 20-30 minutes no matter how many times I knocked. About the shower thing in Tiffany- surely I can't be alone about this. I've visited that place 5 times before and was never offered a shower. It always happened the girl was ready to start and I had to ask for a shower myself. Of course I got one then but this has never happened among the many other bordellos I've visited in Germany. I have no reasonably explanation for this. I've never tried Royal, Prestige, Liberty, and Mon Rouge before. Thanks a lot for those suggestions.M. I think, over many years, in just about every place I've been, at some point, the hausmuttis have shown some frustration when on the rare occasion, I have just said nein danke. It's a pretty normal human reaction-you deal with guys coming in off the street all day in a couped up little flat, you supervise endless parades, maybe it's a slow day, maybe there are hormones flowing or not flowing-who knows. I know some men expect to be treated courteously or better at all times no matter what. There is an argument to be made that this is a service business etc , and the customer is always right and must be respected. Me, I just don't get so flustered about such things. As long as I am polite, I sleep ok. In all flats at one time or another, I too have waited long times. There are moments when their systems just get overloaded, too many guys entering and exiting at the same time, too few rooms, and so forth. You have to remember, these are simply not professional businesses or shops, with highly trained staff. They are in fact, obviously, just the opposite. All part of the charm.

On the shower scene at Ritter. Never happened to me with 4 different girls, multiple times. (Perhaps I smelled so bad they begged me to douche first?) I think you just got unlucky. I dunno really. I like to be treated well but perhaps I just have lower expectations. Germany has many fine things and products but it is rather well known to be lacking in the service sector. The Berlin / Northern D / Prussian culture itself can be a little cool and distant, at times. You just cannot let these things bug you. You're not in Kansas anymore Todo, and anyway- the point is to find a girl who digs you in the moment. So eyes on the prize.

Now, your reporter will confess that at one time back in the day, he too was intrigued by the Terminen Team to the point of conducting a special op there. They are attractive to be sure, though who knows how this Hungarian roulette thing works. I was not wild about booking unseen but it was an ok time. For that quasi natural look, with a little porni play thrown in, if you choose wisely, I think Royal, van Kampen, or Mon Rouge (that actually might be first port of call for you even though it is smaller and slightly costlier) might be the way. But really and surely you know this, it is simply impossible to predict in advance how the chemistry will work at the moment between you and your choice. You cannot really do it, and a third party has even less of a chance of being right. Evolution somehow wants all this to be mysterious, probably as a way to keep the gene pool highly diversified.

I personally think there are better gems in the bordellos, but I have time, I live here, I know the scene, and I have my highly trained favorites where we know each other well. If you are visiting, just because of the variety of choices and the dual time factor (you save time by not having to race all over the city, you gain time because you can really take it slow and talk with a girl to see if things click) , Artemis has a lot of advantages. As Angus points out, it is not every man's cup of tea and it does with frequent use get a bit old. But for a few days in Berlin, it is tough to beat. And you can shower whenever you want. Let us know how it go-keep reporting.

[Charlie 123]

http://peilin.massagedamen.de

Not sure really what are the "best" thai massage places in BerlinOne of the very few disappointments to me about the Berlin scene has always been the paucity and quality of the Oriental girls in the city. Compare for instance the peilin. Massage website with this outfit in London (and there are another dozen similar agencies) :-

http://www.orientalheaven18.co.uk/

This is an operation I have visited four or five times in the last few months, and whilst the pictures are photoshopped, they are at least genuine, the service is fine and the girls are overall 100 times prettier than the Oriental girls I have encountered in Berlin.

I could speculate at length as to why there appears to be a comparative absence of Thai hotties in Berlin as opposed to London. Language, immigration rules, colonial history, market pricing etc, but the bottom line is that, so fas as I have been able to discover, the Oriental scene is generally uninteresting in Berlin. Unfortunately.

Charlie

[Killerjoy]

Hello, Angus,

I wish to attend Berlin events this weekend.

And pornfighter seems to be interesting, but from the website there is no much info about the location and the contact nos.

Can you please let me know if they have any events in this week or next week and please pass the contact details.


As you note these things are not really my thing so I can not help you that much in your selection. In general I will say that I think KG is better over all than Caligula though by looking at the web site Caligula has an over all skankier line up. It seems that it is hard to coax a performance from the Caligula girls. That alone is not a reason not to visit as a monger such as yourself I am sure can find what he is looking for and find satisfaction.

As for AO gang bangs, the one that does seem to get a whole lot of press on the local forum is PornoLongJohn, WixiTrixi and Co.

http://www.pornfighterlongjohn.com/

Seems that he is a local porn celebrity who has a stable of minor female porno girls in his stable. I can not really speak of the quality but from his website things do look good. Be warned that the website it self is very busily designed and has loud music that needs to be turned off before you can really sift through all the shit and find the info that you might be looking for.

And definitely do get in touch at least for a beer and a chat.

AM

[Merkur]

I decided to follow the advice of Rocketboy0 and headed off to Monrogue, Staying in Mitte close to Alexanderplatz Its quite a bit of a ride from my hotel, bahn calclated close to 40 minutes, thats half way to Hamburg with ICE! I'm sure there is a faster way but for me I take the U8 first and change to U7. It seems that U7 is really the keyspot to lot of the great studios in Berlin. Probably it would be faster to go to Alexanderplatz and then S-bahn to Savignyplatz but I wasnt quite sure how far the walk was so I went to Adenauerplatz and walked from there. Typically I took the wrong way first walking Kürfurstendamm but the opposite direction (I should have studied the Angus walk) but then realized I was taking the wrong way and turned. Ariving to Monroge I saw BEl ami beside it which looked quite empty (closed?) Entering Monrogue I was a bit surprised. I didn't realize Monrogue was a club but thought it was a regular studio with a parade as I normally know it. Instead I was taken to the bar area. Only saw a few men entering (and was alone in the bar with the barwoman). It was early in the evening so I guess the place fills up more later. I had checked the website and it seemed like a small place from there. Clubs are really not my thing though, had I been more comfortable with that I would have visited Artemis ages ago. The girls came over to say Hello, all of them smoking and then went back to the sofa area leaving me alone in the bar. I should have paid more attention because as the barwoman asked me if I fancied anyone of them I could not remember a single name! I made an excuse to leave but had to pay 5 Euro for the water (expensive!) I think that if going to that place again, or Artemis for that matter, I would not like to go alone.

Back in the street I took the U7 a few stops back to Blissestrasse. I hadn't taken note of the adress of Royal, Prestige and so, and KD and VK was the only places I knew by heart. Knowing the chances of BBBJ would be small at KD (and not seeing any particulary I wanted that was in today in evening time) I decided to walk to VK. It turned out to be a good parade, several eye candies! VK really has some beauties working at their place. Maybe 6 or 7 girls in the parade. I first took note of Stella but as Sidney appeared I knew it had to be her:

http://www.vankampenberlin.de/sydney.html

Great body, angel like face with a beautiful smile with that "innocent" but naughty look, friendly and easygoing. Unfourtenately though she did not offer BBBJ. Her extras were kissing, dirty talk, cum on body and something else I forgot. A bit weird charging extra for these offers as in most places they are included in the service. But thats just VK. I remember even having to pay extra for spanish once at VK, so they are pretty heavy on the extra policy. That being said all others was good, no complaints and the quality of Sidneys services were high.

Dead tired now. Last day tomorrow and seing that damn transport strike going on until around 19:00 tomorrow, guess I will have to use taxi then.

[Angus Magee]

Dead tired now. Last day tomorrow and seing that damn transport strike going on until around 19:00 tomorrow, guess I will have to use taxi then.I have not been to MR for a while but for me it always operated exactly like any other bordello. I was ushered to a small room, the girl came by one by one and I chose my short time bride. I knew they had a bar but was it was never suggested that I go there to choose.

And "Dirty Talk" a paid extra? That would have to be some mighty dirty talk to get me to she out even €10 to have some girl tell me "fick mich". Or maybe they charge by the word?

AM

[Rocketboy0]

Entering Monrogue I was a bit surprised. I didn't realize Monrogue was a club but thought it was a regular studio with a parade as I normally know it. Instead I was taken to the bar area. Only saw a few men entering (and was alone in the bar with the barwoman). It was early in the evening so I guess the place fills up more later. I had checked the website and it seemed like a small place from there. Clubs are really not my thing though,.Dead tired now. Last day tomorrow and seing that damn transport strike going on until around 19:00 tomorrow, guess I will have to use taxi then.M-have like Angus always just had the normal parade at Mon Rouge. I have seen the bar area but it has always been closed during the afternoons I have been. The Bel Ami is s club but only opens at 9pm or so. Never been.

You might try calling first Mon Rouge to see exactly when some intended is there. As you have not been yet. Royal might be the way forward. Just call first to be sure you know who is on duty and when-really worth it. If none of this works, I still think you might hold Artemis in reserve. Was there last night, very low key, maybe half normal number of men. Lots of quiet corners there, esp. Downstairs in the wellness area, Arts offers a fair bit of chill, no smoking zones, you can really chat with the girls, you do get dinner sauna pool and of course BBBJ and kisses thrown in, and a large number of choices. Quite pleasant, actually, and in your shoes, might beat all this running around. S-Bahns still working today, all strike effects over by 8pm in any case.

[Merkur]

M-have like Angus always just had the normal parade at Mon Rouge. I have seen the bar area but it has always been closed during the afternoons I have been. The Bel Ami is s club but only opens at 9pm or so. Never been. You might try calling first Mon Rouge to see exactly when some intended is there. As you have not been yet. Royal might be the way forward. Just callAh I see. I figured the bar later in the evening filled up with men and women conversing seeing the place basically is open the whole night (until 6 in the morning) So that is not the case then. Maybe there are more girls working there than featured on the site? Seing the place is nearly open 24 hours just 9-10 girls rolling seems to be a bit few.

Before I headed out I actually called Salon Prestige as Heidi was supposed to be working there but unfourtenately the woman on the phone told me Heidi is no longer working by them. ("leider gar nix mehr bei uns) Strange she is still on the site. I'm pretty sure its the same Heidi that worked at KD before and according to that add on Salon Prestige she now offered BBBJ. Not sure where she went to now, but she does look intriguing to me.

In my experience often the best encounters you experience when you are self aware of what you want, that is deciding on a girl beforehand and making an appointment. Parades (vorstellung) can be fun but also sometimes "confusing", that is the mind running wild and sometimes asking if I made the right decision and so on. If I made research beforehand and perharps even read a report and got a recommendation its often success (even though chemistry is always vital but some girls tends to be more open and friendly than others)

In any case I can recommend Sydney which is sort of "reference level" to me as far as my liking of "young and innocent" with slim body, soft skin, beautiful face and smile. I guess there are quite a few of those working at Artemis or are the sharks in plural? I realize this is bit vague description. Its more the "I know it when I see it" but its the opposite of that diva type that wants to control everything and have that "your lucky to be with me factor" and seems more distant / cold. Of course there are a lot of varities in between.

Good to hear Artemis has no smoking sones as I'm a non smoker myself and prefer the same for my partner. Also nice with "quiet sones". I had imagined the place was dominated by loud music and the only place to have a quiet spot was the rooms.

[Merkur]

And "Dirty Talk" a paid extra? That would have to be some mighty dirty talk to get me to she out even €10 to have some girl tell me "fick mich". Or maybe they charge by the word?

AMHah, you won't believe but without thinking I actually went for "dirty talk". I paid 100€ for half hour so I guess 20 must have been for the "dirty talk". As much as I like dirty talk (in the right setting) I have to admit though it was not worth paying 20 extra for this. Like kissing I think this is something that should come "natural", in the heat of the moment so to speak and not because you gave her more dosh. All was in german so I didn't understand all (she spoke english as well but often I decide to practice my german even though I know it will be easier with english) When you think of it, why pay extra to hear you have a nice cock and so. All I can say it was a weak moment wanting to hear some dirty spoken words coming out of that sweet mouth. But all in all I doubt I will go for this service again if its extra. Tiffany / Ritter is another place that charge extra for "everything" but at least not for titty fucking! (which I mentioned happened before on VK)

[Angus Magee]

Ah I see. I figured the bar later in the evening filled up with men and women conversing seeing the place basically is open the whole night (until 6 in the morning) So that is not the case then. Maybe there are more girls working there than featured on the site? Seing the place is nearly open 24 hours just 9-10 girls rolling seems to be a bit few.MR may well have changed their business model quite a bit. They recently raised their prices and Bel Ami is located right next door so I am sure there is some cross over. One of the other clubs I know that has a bar (L"Amour 2a) gives the option of sitting with a drink to meet the ladies or in a small "parade room". Maybe you could have made the same request at MR?

AM

[Rocketboy0]

In any case I can recommend Sydney which is sort of "reference level" to me as far as my liking of "young and innocent" with slim body, soft skin, beautiful face and smile. I guess there are quite a few of those working at Artemis or are the sharks in plural? I realize this is bit vague description. Its more the "I know it when I see it" but its the opposite of that diva type that wants to control everything and have that "your lucky to be with me factor" and seems more distant / cold. Good to hear Artemis has no smoking sones as I'm a non smoker myself and prefer the same for my partner. Also nice with "quiet sones". I had imagined the place was dominated by loud music and the only place to have a quiet spot was the rooms.See my post re Artemis based on last night.very unusually chilled. When I read your comments-I really think you ought to give try Artemis today-tonight. I think they have what you want in spades, lots of natural porn queens who look like your Sydney, not at all overbearing or aggressive, and kissing and BBBJ included (though you should def ask if and when, just to be sure). This shark thing is ridiculously over-hyped. I mean you just say "nein danke" to the occasional request. If you stay on the round sofas downstairs (good for viewing all the comings and goings) , or the bar by the pool, it is really quite relaxing-the entire floor is quiet. Not at all an assault on the senses-apart from the 40 or so naked girls. You have time, you can chat them up to your heart's content. Forget your preconceptions and give it a shot. I may be there again in fact from 1500-1800 it was so good. Got evening plans otherwise I would surely stay. Will be reading an Economist during refractory moments, if you want to say hi. It is a straight shot 20 min ride on the still functioning S-Bahn from Alexanderplatz to Westkreuz on the Ring routes.

[Charlie 123]

MR may well have changed their business model quite a bit. They recently raised their prices and Bel Ami is located right next door so I am sure there is some cross over. One of the other clubs I know that has a bar (L"Amour 2a) gives the option of sitting with a drink to meet the ladies or in a small "parade room". Maybe you could have made the same request at MR?

AMMonrouge's pricing structure has changed. They are much more expensive since the merger with Bel Ami. They also have fewer girls on duty than used to be the case. What has not changed however is the basic way that they function. They have a few bedrooms in the flat and a bar area. You have the choice to go to a room and view the parade, or hang about in the bar and pick out one of the girls. This has always been how it works at Monrouge.

When I read Merkur's report it occured to me that there might have been a misunderstanding between him and the Hausmutti. Merkur. How is your German?

MR used to be my favourite Wohnungspuff in Berlin, but today I find the combination of lineup / service / price to be much more enticing at Royal. They always seem to have 8-10 girls, most of whom are cute as hell. It's must be a year since I was last offered a choice of more than 2 girls at Monrouge, and it's not like they refresh the line-up on a regular basis.

C

[WreckDiver]

Hi

General question I've read that anal is on the menu or board in Caligula and King George but is it a regular occurrence or more a one in a 100 type of event?

Thanks

[Wanking]

As you note these things are not really my thing so I can not help you that much in your selection. In general I will say that I think KG is better over all than Caligula though by looking at the web site Caligula has an over all skankier line up. It seems that it is hard to coax a performance from the Caligula girls. That alone is not a reason not to visit as a monger such as yourself I am sure can find what he is looking for and find satisfaction.

As for AO gang bangs, the one that does seem to get a whole lot of press on the local forum is PornoLongJohn, WixiTrixi and Co.

http://www.pornfighterlongjohn.com/

Seems that he is a local porn celebrity who has a stable of minor female porno girls in his stable. I can not really speak of the quality but from his website things do look good. Be warned that the website it self is very busily designed and has loud music that needs to be turned off before you can really sift through all the shit and find the info that you might be looking for.

And definitely do get in touch at least for a beer and a chat.

AMAngus, thanks for your reply. I look forward to meeting when I go there, should May maybe.

[Nullnull]

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The second place I tried was better:

http://peilin.massagedamen.de

There you get half hour "Bangkok" massage for 50€ meaning the girl gets naked. A "Pattaya massage" was slighlty more expensive and means body to body. Handjob included in the price here too and more is possible for extra money. I was offered blowjob for 30€ extra but I left it with just the handjob which was fairly good compared to the bad one at the first thai massage place. I think intercourse was also possible. Unfourtenately Peilin (the best looking in my opnion) was not there. Not sure really what are the "best" thai massage places in Berlin
.

I could speculate at length as to why there appears to be a comparative absence of Thai hotties in Berlin as opposed to London. Language, immigration rules, colonial history, market pricing etc, but the bottom line is that, so fas as I have been able to discover, the Oriental scene is generally uninteresting in Berlin. Unfortunately.

CharlieIt has worsened over the last few years. Main reasons IMHO are strict immigration rules and the lower prices paid in Berlin. It seems almost impossible for a Thai girl in her early twenties to get a German visa unless she's married to a German. And even then these marriages are checked very carefully by the authorities. They simply don't believe a pretty asian girl that she wants to marry a German dumb ass in his 40s living on social welfare or on his job as a production worker. The very few that manage to get into Berlin soon find out that they'd make better money in Places like Munich or in another EU country. And then there's a group of asian women that are already divorced and in their mid 30s.

Nevertheless from time to time you may find hot Thai WG in Berlin but it takes a lot of research and even a little insistence when talking to the mamasan since the hottest looking Thais are often only presented on explicit request. I was "seing" regularly two Thai girls in the 8-9 range (they could easily keep up with the hottest women I saw on Soi Cowboy or NEP) but this was a very rare exception and both are gone now.

If Merkur is really looking for a Massage Parlour (with the uncertainty of getting FS or just a HJ) I would recommend the following list:

Tha Sia Spa (I had nice encounters with different girls there, especially Toon)

http://www.thaimassage-berlin-thasiaspa.de/gallery.html

Thantawan.

http://www.thantawan.de/team.html

If the pics aren't alluring enough then I'm sorry this is as good as it gets with Berlin Thai MP.

Lins Massage (but have to admit while Dao and Lilly are nice and cute girls in thier late twenties they are not really stunners)

http://www.linsmassage.de/

(no pics!)

If Merkur doesn't mind going to a real Thai bordello then maybe Das Blaue Haus can be a recommendation (Tisha is IMHO the best looking girl there).

http://www.dasblauehaus.rotlichtmodelle.de/home.php

More examples on Thai bordellos can be found on

www.thaipalast.de

[Angus Magee]

Hi

General question I've read that anal is on the menu or board in Caligula and King George but is it a regular occurrence or more a one in a 100 type of event?

ThanksI am sure if you can find a girl who offers it and are willing to pay extra it is on offer. My own (and Charlie's) experience at the KG was that extras were not really pushed at all. I think anal would be an...um... Stretch (no pun intended).

Caligula might be an easier place to find this and just recently the place has been getting better reviews on the German board. But really, why not go to a better bordello to find this service? Over all it is probably going to be a better experience with a girl who is getting paid a fair price. Some things in life should simply be avoided at a discount price and in my opinion, anal sex is one of them.

AM

[Sucker17]

Thantawan.

http://www.thantawan.de/team.htmlFor what it's worth, I am not a big Asia-fan, but I had a thaimassage in the beginning of November 2011 at this MP and I was surprised that the quality of the massage was so good. They also ask you upfront if you want classic thaimassage or erotic massage (with HJ, but adds 50 euro to your bill / hour). I did not order in advance and got Mickey which is quite much older than the rest of them, but she sure knows how to make massage. Only my two cents.

[Merkur]

If Merkur is really looking for a Massage Parlour (with the uncertainty of getting FS or just a HJ) I would recommend the following list:

Tha Sia Spa (I had nice encounters with different girls there, especially Toon)

http://www.thaimassage-berlin-thasiaspa.de/gallery.html

Thantawan.

http://www.thantawan.de/team.html

If the pics aren't alluring enough then I'm sorry this is as good as it gets with Berlin Thai MP.

Lins Massage (but have to admit while Dao and Lilly are nice and cute girls in thier late twenties they are not really stunners)

http://www.linsmassage.de/

(no pics!)

If Merkur doesn't mind going to a real Thai bordello then maybe Das Blaue Haus can be a recommendation (Tisha is IMHO the best looking girl there).

http://www.dasblauehaus.rotlichtmodelle.de/home.php

More examples on Thai bordellos can be found on.

www.thaipalast.deThanks a lot Nullnull for this nice guide to asian massase studios and interesting thoughts. Actually I've been to Tha Sia Spa on one of my previous visits to Berlin. I remember the masseuse asked me if I wanted erotic massage and this happened quite some time into the normal massage. When I confirmed she dissapeared and another girl entered naked (one with big tits) HE was on the menu (did not ask for more) Not sure if this is the usual deal. It appears some girls there just do the massage and some offer more erotic so they split the roles? I guess the reason why I visit some asian massage parlours is because I like the fact not knowing if extras are offfered or not and the excitement this can arise during the massage. Therefore if its straight forward right away (without the "innocent play" watching her response when you get hard and so) it sort of kills off lot of the excitement I think.

[Nullnull]

Thanks a lot Nullnull for this nice guide to asian massase studios and interesting thoughts. Actually I've been to Tha Sia Spa on one of my previous visits to Berlin. I remember the masseuse asked me if I wanted erotic massage and this happened quite some time into the normal massage. When I confirmed she dissapeared and another girl entered naked (one with big tits) HE was on the menu (did not ask for more) Not sure if this is the usual deal.I think the usual deal at Tha Sia is that a HE / HJ is always included with the 60 EUR but then the girls are not naked. Out of the girls you can see on the team pic violet shirt, pink shirt and orange shirt offered FS within first or second visit there (and asked for 50 EUR extra) , blue shirt said straight forward she only gave HJ, the other two I never met there (but heard great things about light blue shirt). But then you are right: there is no general rule for Thai massage places in Berlin (may depend on how many customers they already had and how much money is left in their wallets) and there is some excitement to watch the girls playfully creating an erotic atmosphere and asking: "Mehr?" (=more?).

[Merkur]

Thanks to Rocketboy0 I was inspired to pay a visit to Royal last Saturday, being my last whole day in Berlin. I didnt call on beforehand asking who was there because unlike Kamilla Dee most of the girls on the website has faces censored so it does not really give a great impression in my opinion. I mean sure, bodywise, tits, ass- all that give some leads, but without a face I cant really relate to it much. I decided it was better to just turn up. The parade turned out to be quite small- only 3 girls were presented. They had some kind of party this day and the houselady explained to me I could join that if I wanted to or stay in the room, but joining the party would be more expensive. Perharps some of you frequenting the forum was at that party that evening? Could be the line-up was so small due to many girls being busy at the party with customers. Not sure. Two of the girls were not to my interest, but the one girl I felt instinctly as she presented herself would be perfect and it turned out to be true! Beautiful face, with dark longer hair and great looking body. Very friendly girl and I was very pleased with the service offered. BBBJ with lots of tongue action. (extra) Unfourtenately she is not presented at their website. She was a student, very smart and fun girl and it turned out we had several mutal interests so lots to talk about! This made me think- does Royal often have student girls working there, or is there any other particular places also which is good for that? Guess it can happen in many places. One time at VK I met an american girl studying in Berlin. As I see it its often much more fun meeting a young student girl- not just because age and beauty but I get the impression service vice it will often be better when she just started in the business or worked a short while opposed to the girl that worked several years with all the routines establised and tends to have a more strictly professional (in the sense the girl may not give so much of herself, or just about what can be expected- nothing less, nothing more)

I guess I will be back to Royal on my next trip to Berlin. Plan B (Artemis as you mentioned) didn't realize itself this time, Rocketboy0. But who knows. Maybe next time in Berlin. I imagine the first time at Artemis and coming on my own can be a bit hard to 'digest' (in lack of a better word) It would certainly help arriving with someone. Or meeting there. Not sure what would have happened had I visited Artemis that day, but I do know I would be looking for someone reading an Economist. ;-)

[Diet Coke]

Thanks to Rocketboy0 I was inspired to pay a visit to Royal last Saturday, being my last whole day in Berlin. I didn't call on beforehand asking who was there because unlike Kamilla Dee most of the girls on the website has faces censored so it does not really give a great impression in my opinion. I mean sure, bodywise, tits, ass- all that give some leads, but without a face I can't really relate to it much. I decided it was better to just turn up. The parade turned out to be quite small- only 3 girls were presented. They had some kind of party this day and the houselady explained to me I could join that if I wanted to or stay in the room, but joining the party would be more expensive. Perharps some of you frequenting the forum was at that party that evening? Could be the line-up was so small due to many girls being busy at the party with customers. Not sure. Two of the girls were not to my interest, but the one girl I felt instinctly as she presented herself would be perfect and it turned out to be true! Beautiful face, with dark longer hair and great looking body. Very friendly girl and I was very pleased with the service offered. BBBJ with lots of tongue action. (extra) Unfourtenately she is not presented at their website. She was a student, very smart and fun girl and it turned out we had several mutal interests so lots to talk about! This made me think- does Royal often have student girls working there, or is there any other particular places also which is good for that? Guess it can happen in many places. One time at VK I met an american girl studying in Berlin. As I see it its often much more fun meeting a young student girl- not just because age and beauty but I get the impression service vice it will often be better when she just started in the business or worked a short while opposed to the girl that worked several years with all the routines establised and tends to have a more strictly professional (in the sense the girl may not give so much of herself, or just about what can be expected- nothing less, nothing more)

I guess I will be back to Royal on my next trip to Berlin. Plan B (Artemis as you mentioned) didn't realize itself this time, Rocketboy0. But who knows. Maybe next time in Berlin. I imagine the first time at Artemis and coming on my own can be a bit hard to 'digest' (in lack of a better word) It would certainly help arriving with someone. Or meeting there. Not sure what would have happened had I visited Artemis that day, but I do know I would be looking for someone reading an Economist. .Could you share what rates you paid. Do you recall the name of girl you saw? Good report. Royal is on my list.

[Rocketboy0]

I didn't call on beforehand asking who was there because unlike Kamilla Dee most of the girls on the website has faces censored so it does not really give a great impression in my opinion. I mean sure, bodywise, tits, ass- all that give some leads, but without a face I can't really relate to it much. I decided it was better to just turn up. The parade turned out to be quite small- only 3 girls were presented. They had some kind of party this day and the houselady explained to me I could join that if I wanted to or stay in the room, but joining the party would be more expensive. Perharps some of you frequenting the forum was at that party that evening? Could be the line-up was so small due to many girls being busy at the party with customers. Not sure. Two of the girls were not to my interest, but the one girl I felt instinctly as she presented herself would be perfect and it turned out to be true!

As I see it its often much more fun meeting a young student girl- not just because age and beauty but I get the impression service vice it will often be better when she just started in the business or worked a short while opposed to the girl that worked several years with all the routines establised and tends to have a more strictly professional (in the sense the girl may not give so much of herself, or just about what can be expected- nothing less, nothing more)

I guess I will be back to Royal on my next trip to Berlin. Plan B (Artemis as you mentioned) didn't realize itself this time, Rocketboy0. But who knows. Maybe next time in Berlin. I imagine the first time at Artemis and coming on my own can be a bit hard to 'digest' (in lack of a better word) It would certainly help arriving with someoneGlad it all worked out for you. The bordello scene on the weekend is almost always thinner everywhere. Just a different rhythm as has been discussed on the forum many times, and calling ahead would at least tell you how many are on duty. As you saw, you lucked out. On the rest. As usual these things are matters of taste-I would take a more experienced woman over a young girl / student anyday. The lack of the former and the large supply of the latter is one of my problems at Artemis. But as young things seems to suit you just fine, next time you are in Berlin, give a shout, and it could be that one of us will be there to share in your digestion. If you rolled in say 4 or 5pm ish, things are quiet enough that you will ease in easily, and I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised.

[Anarkypg]

Hi everybody!

I would like to meet Lora Gora http://loragora.tumblr.com/, does anyone has some information?

Thanks in advance!

[Rocketboy0]

Well, not personally. Maybe Herr Angus has something on his super secret VB German fora?

I know more about Tora Bora. And as it turns out, your quest may not be so far away http://www.getamap.net/maps/afghanistan/herat/_lora_gora/
She does get one stunning review, possibly from a family member http://www.naughtyreviews.com/escorts/lora-gora-berlin-white-female/unforgettable-evening

Her slick, pleasant website says you can "ask her anything" so, ask her how she is, and start up a chat. She does say she is an expert in enjoying life, so to paraphrase Bill Murray after receiving a promise of Total Consciousness from the Dalai Lama in Caddyshack,"you got that going for you, which is nice". Not much help, I know, but you get what you pay for...

[Merkur]

Could you share what rates you paid. Do you recall the name of girl you saw? Good report. Royal is on my list.As far as I remember it was 100€ for half hour (counting in BBBJ so probably 80 without this extra) She calls herself Justine.

[Merkur]

Glad it all worked out for you. The bordello scene on the weekend is almost always thinner everywhere. Just a different rhythm as has been discussed on the forum many times, and calling ahead would at least tell you how many are on duty. As you saw, you lucked out. On the rest. As usual these things are matters of taste-I would take a more experienced woman over a young girl / student anyday. The lack of the former and the large supply of the latter is one of my problems at Artemis. But as young things seems to suit you just fine, next time you are in Berlin, give a shout, and it could be that one of us will be there to share in your digestion. If you rolled in say 4 or 5pm ish, things are quiet enough that you will ease in easily, and I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised.

Yes I could have called on beforehand to check how many girls were there, but had I done so and gotten a low number it may be I wouldn't have visited and then never have gotten the chance to meet Justine. But I agree- in general calling on beforehand is good. This time I was lucky without calling.

I remember a friend of mine once told me of a girl he met in the business who said she believed a girl shouldn't stay longer in the business than 2-3 years (she kept her word herself on it as she seems not to be working anymore) I do sympatize with that opinion, as I imagine its easy to get burnt out working a very long time. I believe (or at least have an illusion of it) that meeting a young girl / student it may well be the chances of getting a more "authentic" experience are higher and less of the acting. Early in a career one could be more eager to please, before it all becomes too much routine. Of course I realize when all comes to all its all a game, but yes. You know what I mean. For a less experienced girl there could be rooms for "mistakes" made by the girl during the meeting (not saying that happened during my last visit) and all that does have some charm to it.

As of FKK. I might be off for Germany for Easter but more likely around NRW than Berlin. Theres a club called "Bernds" or just "Hof" which I read a great deal about. Seems "public sex" (at least blowjobs) are very common there. Remember reading some report Angus made there earlier. Not sure how the place comes up today. Maybe Angus been there recently.

[Nille Copenhagen]

As of FKK. I might be off for Germany for Easter but more likely around NRW than Berlin. Theres a club called "Bernds" or just "Hof" which I read a great deal about. Seems "public sex" (at least blowjobs) are very common there. Remember reading some report Angus made there earlier. Not sure how the place comes up today. Maybe Angus been there recently.Bernds is still alive and kicking. With some new girls as well. Last time I was there I got Public BJs on the sofa then we moved to a room to have more fun, there is a room in the basement where you could watch the action through the glass windows."Public sex" is available in the Kino at most FKKs. Be aware that Bernds is a small and pretty old FKK and don't expected to find 9-10'er in looks there. But the service is Great!

[Angus Magee]

As of FKK. I might be off for Germany for Easter but more likely around NRW than Berlin. Theres a club called "Bernds" or just "Hof" which I read a great deal about. Seems "public sex" (at least blowjobs) are very common there. Remember reading some report Angus made there earlier. Not sure how the place comes up today. Maybe Angus been there recently.Bernds is a great club but it is also not for everybody. I would spend some time reading the thread and also my Bernd's guide to get an idea of what the club is like.

http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=714

Lastly, Bernds is in a small German town and is closed on weekends and all holidays so over Easter you may be out of luck anyway.

AM

[Rocketboy0]

Bernds is a great club but it is also not for everybody. I would spend some time reading the thread and also my Bernd's guide to get an idea of what the club is like.

http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=714

Lastly, Bernds is in a small German town and is closed on weekends and all holidays so over Easter you may be out of luck anyway. AMHerr Doktor. Just curious, public sex aside, would you say in general, Bernd`s has young 'uns, or older more experienced womens, as in MILFs or even GILFs (Grandmothers.)? I know Bernd's has its charms, but I still think, for affordable variety and options, Berlin pretty tough to beat, at least in West Europa...

[Fritobugger]

Hi everybody!

I would like to meet Lora Gora.

http://loragora.tumblr.com/

, does anyone has some information?

Thanks in advance!I exchanged a few e-mails with her and she seemed nice and flexible but our schedules didn't match so I was unable to hook up with her (she was traveling during my time in Berlin). I hope to meet her the next time I am there.

[Charlie 123]

Hi.

I finally met up last night with Clara, the latest arrival at my preferred Berlin agency Klein & Zierlich.

http://www.klein-zierlich.de/escortservice-berlin-clara.html

Clara bears a striking resemblance to a girl who worked there last year by the name of Claudia. I tried to ascertain via the telephonist whether it was the same girl – when she arrived Clara confirmed that actually Claudia is her sister.

Clara is definitely the better option of the two – she is prettier, a touch younger (21) and somewhat sweeter too. Her photos are heavily photoshopped – she sports reddish-brown hair and looks more 'Plain Jane' than her pics would suggest. She is very slim and athletic with small tits and a pretty face, medium height.

Standard KZ service – excellent hands-free BBBJ, enthusiastic fucking. Another solid performer from this reliable agency – recommended.

Charlie

[Kimino]

With more than 20 days before my next Berlin visit I'm here lurking on sites with sadness painted on my face. Ahahah.

http://www.pascha.de/DE/BERLIN

They are changing address (if google translate worked for me). Don't know who it was, maybe RB, but someone was saying this was going to happen.

Looks like a difficult start for the club.

Wanted to ask if someone else visited the club after me and Charlie but I don't remember seeing other reports.

Maybe they will do a new promo once they move. :)

Also, anyone visited Monrouge recently? I know Monica should be back in March. The girls list on the site is totally outdated.

Ciao.

Kimino

[Angus Magee]

They are changing address (if google translate worked for me). Don't know who it was, maybe RB, but someone was saying this was going to happen.Well this is a monumental fuck up on the part if Pascha. It seems that they opened up in a city district that decided to not allow bordellos with in their boarders. This is the reason that Bel Ami moved after having been at that location for 25 or so years. Pasha opened as a "wellness" facility. When it was discovered that sex was on offer the city started sending in undercover cops to bust the place. One does have to wonder how a business can recover the costs of opening such a club twice in less than 6 months. We will see if they can.

AM

[Nille Copenhagen]

Well this is a monumental fuck up on the part if Pascha. It seems that they opened up in a city district that decided to not allow bordellos with in their boarders. This is the reason that Bel Ami moved after having been at that location for 25 or so years. Pasha opened as a "wellness" facility. When it was discovered that sex was on offer the city started sending in undercover cops to bust the place. One does have to wonder how a business can recover the costs of opening such a club twice in less than 6 months. We will see if they can.

AMMoney laundry.

[Rocketboy0]

Well this is a monumental fuck up on the part if Pascha. One does have to wonder how a business can recover the costs of opening such a club twice in less than 6 months. We will see if they can.AMYep-it also suggests something about the future of the whole (hole) operation, who will work there, etc. Tough to do upmarket stuff when you have a seriously down market brain.

Kimino, as you know, we did try to investigate the premises just after your path-breaking visit but left once the promo poon prices were no longer on, cheap bastards that we are. I guess we will have to keep an eye out for the next promo as they will need a biggie to recover from this epic cockup.

But, wouldn't it be great if they could take over the auto tire shop, 20 m north of Artemis to keep both sharp and let cuntsumers rule. Or offer to build out the mythical VIP wing on the South side of the Arts parking lot. Fat chance.

[Angus Magee]

But, wouldn't it be great if they could take over the auto tire shop, 20 m north of Artemis to keep both sharp and let cuntsumers rule. Or offer to build out the mythical VIP wing on the South side of the Arts parking lot. Fat chance.Maybe they could open up an indoor / outdoor drive in car facility like in (I think) Dusseldorf. It is time someone in Berlin starts to think outside the box, as it were.

There is also this drive-in establishment to emulate.

http://www.geiz-oase.com/

http://www.tz-online.de/lust-leidenschaft/aktuell/tz-abgefahren-drive-inn-puff-tiefgarage-1279588.html

Wonder if they have a bike lane?

AM

[Angus Magee]

Money laundry.Maybe. But as I understand money laundering you put dirty money in to get clean money (money with a legit business source) out. This place seems to have invested several hundred thousand euros and now has to close and do it again. This is like a money laundry that eats your laundry.

AM

[Eddy Berlin]

Despite being rather a long time in Berlin there are many bordellos I haven't visited yet and today it was the turn of the Europasalon at Nollendorfplatz.

http://www.europasalon.de/.

It's on the first floor and the entrance is opposite a Doctor's surgery, so not quite as discreet as I feel comfortable with. A busty blonde opened the door, and ran off the price list etc. In the usual sort of way. I think there were about 4 girls in the parade and I went for the Romanian Maria because she had long black hair, which is a particular fetish of mine. In retrospect I wish I hadn't chosen her at all. I went for the 30 min option for 60 Euros. I wasn't offered a drink and there was no wash basin in the room. I tried to get a conversation going with her but it was difficult. She has a tatoo on her back,"Boss" is one of the words. As she was lying on the bed with her underpants still on I tried to stoke her but she complained all the time about my cold hands. Then I had a go at pussy licking and she made another unhappy face at me. So I asked her what the matter was and suggested we call it a day and I get half my money back. Then her attidude suddenly changed and she smiled and let me eat her out while gently stroking my stiff member. She made pretty authentic sounding moans despite her dislike of me. Then on with the rubber and she sucked me which was rather a pleasant feeling. Then it was time to do what must me done and she offered me to do her from behind. This always worries me because it usually means they don't want to see my ugly face any more. However, I insisted I wanted it in the missionary because I like to hold the girl tight and kiss her neck and ears. It was quite nice and I came quite well but as soon as I was finished she jumped out of bed and left the room without a word. I cleaned up and got dressed. When she came back in I asked her if she was OK and she said she had to wash herself. I asked if I could wash my hands and she just looked at me like I was a piece of shit. Apparently it was not possible for me to wash so I just left, apologizing for the trouble I had made. I certainly won't show up there again, the nearby Liberty being the much better option and actually the extras are cheaper at Liberty!

[Rocketboy0]

Despite being rather a long time in Berlin there are many bordellos I haven't visited yet and today it was the turn of the Europasalon at Nollendorfplatz.

http://www.europasalon.de/.

She just looked at me like I was a piece of shit. Apparently it was not possible for me to wash so I just left, apologizing for the trouble I had made. I certainly won't show up there again, the nearby Liberty being the much better option and actually the extras are cheaper at Liberty!Ouch. Actually one of Berlin's best auto parts and supplies stores Auto Teile is nearby and you might have had even better luck there.

A cautionary tale that a monger`s sense of doom should both rarely be avoided, and one should even in the middle of things not be shy about cutting losses.
Stories like yours make one want to just get a girl friend, or worse get married, just to be done with such things. But good that you wrote all the gory details up, and took one for the troops. What can you say, but it happens.

Sorry for your loss, as T Soprano would say.
Or as Patrick Henry said, "Give me Liberty or give me death" in a slightly different context.

[Horny Harry]

I think the usual deal at Tha Sia is that a HE / HJ is always included with the 60 EUR but then the girls are not naked. Out of the girls you can see on the team pic violet shirt, pink shirt and orange shirt offered FS within first or second visit there (and asked for 50 EUR extra) , blue shirt said straight forward she only gave HJ, the other two I never met there (but heard great things about light blue shirt).The one in the light blue shirt looks quite a lot like "Lucy" from Klein und Zierlich, can anyone confirm?

http://www.klein-zierlich.de/escortservice-berlin-lucy.html

P. S. I'm not an expert with all these codes, what does HE and FS mean? I guess HJ = Hand Job?

[Eddy Berlin]

i decided i would pay a visit to the north of berlin today, the place of interest being.

http://www.klix37.de/.

i remember i was last in this neck of the woods in 2005 to visit tiffany, which used to just around the corner from the klixstrasse. i went in and confided in the hausmutti that i was interested in having a [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103) from one of the girls. apparently 3 were up for it at the time and they introduced themselves one by one. i can't rememember the name of the first one but she was attractive and older looking than the other 2, the second was lisa, who i thought was damn pretty but didn't give me positive vibes and the third was the tall bulgarian jessica, who was also rather hot looking and smiling pleasantly, so i took her. the price was 50 euro for 30 min + 10 euro extra for the [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103). there was a wash basin in the room but i wasn't offered a drink (maybe because i wanted a [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103)). all in all the session was average to disappointing, the service was not as passion filled as what i always hope for but seldom get nowadays. incidently, although she tried hard, the [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103) was not deilvered. i thought she would have offered me the 10 euros back but she didn"t. i was going to let her keep it anyway. i will now think hard about my next move. i must admit i've always had more fun with home visits from independent escorts but that costs at least twice as much, so the question for me is, are 2 average short sessions in quick succession better than one good home session?

[Rocketboy0]

all in all the session was average to disappointing, the service was not as passion filled as what i always hope for but seldom get nowadays. incidently, although she tried hard, the [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103) was not deilvered.eddy. far be it from me to claim i understand women. but could it be that your request to be showered on might have killed the idea of romance? i think it may come down to a choice, passion or pissing.

[Hbengkok]

I saw on TV that Berlin has public Saunas, where men amd women are naked together in one room / pool. Is that worth a visit? If only grandmas coming there, that definetelly not LOL.

[Angus Magee]

It depends on your primary reason for going to the sauna. If you like sauna and the chance of seeing some hot naked girl is a just a bonus then it is worth the visit. If you are looking for a free show then probably not. These places, depending upon which one you visit, attract a cross section of the public with hot babes being in the minority.

It is certainly less expensive than Artemis for sauna but the optics are way below the Artemis standard.

AM

[Nullnull]

The one in the light blue shirt looks quite a lot like "Lucy" from Klein und Zierlich, can anyone confirm?

http://www.klein-zierlich.de/escortservice-berlin-lucy.html

P. S. I'm not an expert with all these codes, what does HE and FS mean? I guess HJ = Hand Job?She's definitely not. Klein-zierlich is all Romanian, east European. A Thai would never work in this environment. Apart from that light blue shirt is known as a person named Mae. She once was title girl of that Farang mag www.farang.de

HJ is hand job and FS is full sex.

Oh and I wouldn't recommend public sauna if In search for some eye candy. Public saunas are mostly a thing for 50plus generation. If one of the big gyms (fitness studios) has a sauna chances to spot a few hotties there a higher.

[Rocketboy0]

Berlin has public Saunas, where men amd women are naked together in one room / pool. Is that worth a visit? If only grandmas coming there, that definetelly not LOL.Well, I know 2 ISGers who go there fairly often, though they are increasingly hard to distinguish from the Oma's. EUR 5, 30 for an hour cannot be beat. The Thermal bath in the Europa Center has a semi outdoor pool that allows you to swim on the roof, a bunch of saunas and hot pools, and high pressure water jets in the main thermal pool that feel purdy good on your back, not so good on your balls, and 5 seconds fired at your cavity would mean you don't need to wipe for a month.

The scene is well, different; a mix of pensioners, young boys and chicken hawks cruising, vaguely Russian mafiosi, Harz IV participants, bio sauna groups, and despite all efforts, the occasional hot babe. Can be a little crowded on Sundays. There are other more upscale places like the Liquidrome which might have a vaguely erotic buzz, supposedly a nice one at the Stadtbad Neukölln, and further out like 30 kms north, a really stunning setting in Neuropin. But for cheap and easy and a real Berlin scene www.thermen-berlin.de Great for a quick chill out.

[Customx]

Went last fall when I was in Berlin and found that not much was happening. A few old gals giving BJs on the couches but otherwise pretty dead despite maybe 75 people there. Some dancing in the main room but nobody in the back rooms or the hot tub area. Anybody have any experience? Was it just a down night? Will be back in April and considering another visit. Thanks for your advice.

[Bobo.fr]

Hello,

Are there saunas close to Kamilla-Dee?

Thanks

[Rocketboy0]

Hello, Are there saunas close to Kamilla-Dee? ThanksSalut B. Not really. The pool at Heidelburger Platz might. But the Europa Center not so far away, bus 101 to Ku'dam, change to M29 or others right to Europa Center, or 10-15 min taxi. Much better scene.

Forgot to mention the trippy floating saunas on inflatable barges east of Mitte, on the Spree. Those will be naked, younger, and might be better viewing for you pervs out there.
It is though more of a project reach. Details http://arena-berlin.de/badeschiff_winter_2011-2012.aspx

[Hbengkok]

Thank you Angus Magee, Nullnull & Rocketboy0 for the answers.

Understand, I think I should try at least once when I go to Berlin, just for the experience. Germany is the land of men's dream. Some stupid country make prostitution ilegalls, even punish people who do p4p, but is the prostitution vanished? No and never. They should just controll so there's no sex slavery. In most SEA contries prostitution is forbidden, but you can find almost everywhere. Holland has little drugs addict compare to other countries where not tolerate any drugs, incl marijuana & hasish. BTW, out of topics :).

Thanks again and Regards.

[Charlie 123]

hi.

on monday i made a return visit to cafe pssst:-

http://www.cafe-pssst.de/

i'd popped in with kimino before christmas and been intrigued. i thought that it might be a good medium for picking up berliner hobbyhuren turning the odd trick for pocketmoney a couple of times a week interspersed with the odd sexy divorcee out on the pull. in practice i think pssst is actually no more than a somewhat downmarket hooker bar populated principally by east european brasses of middling years. on monday there were about 7 ladies present rep001tered around the tiny bar. the tall slim german blond that kimino and i had chatted up last time was there again in her sexy librarian glasses, but the rest of them seemed to be ee women of minimal attraction.

i had a drink, stayed 10 minutes and went back to artemis. i may pop in to this place one more time before i strike it from the list, and if i do find any reason to resurrect my initial enthusiam for cafe psss then i will report accordingly.

best.

charlie

[Merkur]

Thought I'd write some about the tantra massages I experienced during my last trip to Berlin. First tantra massage I went for was in fact quite unusual. That is, the tantramasseuse was making lot of noises during the massage (usually a tantra massage takes place in a quiet space) and some strangeness added to it. For instance, after the ejaculation she put her fingers in front of my face! Not sure what kinda response she was expecting, but she held it there for some time telling me it was good for the skin. I've probably had around 20 tantra massages before but never experienced something like that before- and never so "loud" massage. She also put her mouth on my fingers, and even toes. The finger licking I've experienced once or twice before in other serious tantra massages and can indeed be sensual.

The second tantra massage during my Berlin trip was without any surprises and took place in Kashima. It was my fourth visit to Kashima and its always been good. While I've experienced tantramassages with mutual touching before, none of those took place in Kashima though. My impression is that the chance to touch the tantramassuse is more likely to happen with masseuses working alone rather than in studios. But I won't rule out such a thing could happen at Kashima either. It sure would be interesting to "move some steps forward" in that direction, as much as I enjoy tantra massage as a passive experience. Theres no "absolute tantra rules" how far things can go. But the more ritualistic the massage is the less are the chances of something "unusal pleasurable" to happen. I always hope the masseuse will place herself so that you get a good view of her pussy (69 postion but without oralsex naturally) but that does not happen often. In the majority of serious tantramassages a body slide is included, though sadly it did not happen at Kashima on this occasion.

Not sure if theres many tantra lovers here on the Berlin board, but would love to come into contact with any. (please don't be shy to PM!) I've had the pleasure of having great discussions with Angus in the past.

[Granthree]

Hi guys.

I am going to Berlin next week. There's a girl at Tiffany / Ritter11 (Charlyn) that looks really sweet. She's only available for 4 hours the week I am there. I can call and make a booking, but my phone won't call the number.

Do any of you know if it's possible to email them? My german is really bad and I am having a hard time decoding the site (www.ritter11.de).

Any help will be appriciated!

[Kimino]

New talents on http://www.monrouge.com Site. Couple look really interesting.

Think I'll make a visit on my next trip, anyone been there recently?

Kimino

[ZimmerBaby]

Went last fall when I was in Berlin and found that not much was happening. A few old gals giving BJs on the couches but otherwise pretty dead despite maybe 75 people there. Some dancing in the main room but nobody in the back rooms or the hot tub area. Anybody have any experience? Was it just a down night? Will be back in April and considering another visit. Thanks for your advice.Been there several times and you are right. Infrastructure is great, location close to S-bahn (Ring) , DJ Sin playing awesome psychill / ambient / trance / electronica. A couple of girls paid by the house, such as Serbian Birgitta who we may "know" from Artemis, otherwise some fat asses from the Caribbean Sea and Germany. Girls seem so outfucked. I went there alone and had a few beers, other guys are also alone, so people become friends somehow. A mature lady approached me wanted me to show her my remedies. I had been drinking a couple of beers (included in the price) , so I was more in the mood. Great sex. Imagine BBBJ by Angela Merckel.

Better options in Berlin:

* http://berlinintim.de/member/Event/Gangbang-Berlin-19567.html

Some afternons they have only BBBJCIM. Read the menu carefully. Easy to reach by bus. Great place and athmosphere and lovely girls. No food, only beverage and snacks.

* http://berlinintim.de/member/Event/Gangbang-Berlin-19628.html

I have recommended this place several times. I like it, it's not sirloin / tenderloin, buts it's a good tasty burger from Hard Rock Café. The staff there really want you to have a good time.

* http://berlinintim.de/member/Event/Gangbang-Berlin-19599.html

Nice, cozy apartment close to the underground. Good athmosphere, ok girls, the parties are limited in time comparred to Erlebniswohnung. Ok for a change.

[Customx]

Thanks ZB. Will be there from April 4-14 and expect to do Erlebniswohnung (a great time last fall) , Liberty and Artemis among others. Cheers.


Been there several times and you are right. Infrastructure is great, location close to S-bahn (Ring) , DJ Sin playing awesome psychill / ambient / trance / electronica. A couple of girls paid by the house, such as Serbian Birgitta who we may "know" from Artemis, otherwise some fat asses from the Caribbean Sea and Germany. Girls seem so outfucked. I went there alone and had a few beers, other guys are also alone, so people become friends somehow. A mature lady approached me wanted me to show her my remedies. I had been drinking a couple of beers (included in the price) , so I was more in the mood. Great sex. Imagine BBBJ by Angela Merckel.

Better options in Berlin:

*

http://berlinintim.de/member/Event/Gangbang-Berlin-19567.html

Some afternons they have only BBBJCIM. Read the menu carefully. Easy to reach by bus. Great place and athmosphere and lovely girls. No food, only beverage and snacks.

*

http://berlinintim.de/member/Event/Gangbang-Berlin-19628.html

I have recommended this place several times. I like it, it's not sirloin / tenderloin, buts it's a good tasty burger from Hard Rock Café. The staff there really want you to have a good time.

*

http://berlinintim.de/member/Event/Gangbang-Berlin-19599.html

Nice, cozy apartment close to the underground. Good athmosphere, ok girls, the parties are limited in time comparred to Erlebniswohnung. Ok for a change.

[Rocketboy0]

Hi guys.

There's a girl at Tiffany / Ritter11 (Charlyn) that looks really sweet. She's only available for 4 hours the week I am there. I can call and make a booking, but my phone won't call the number.

Do any of you know if it's possible to email them? My german is really bad and I am having a hard time decoding the site (

www.ritter11.de

). Any help will be appriciated!GT. You seem to be having some odd problems. First, when you say your phone won't call the number, unless you have some mobile account that won't call outside your home country, I don't see how that can be possible. It is a normal fixed line Berlin number, easily reached. On the email front, see top right of page (and maybe also use that tel number) : http://www.ritter11.de/nutten-berlin.php Where all clearly spelled out. If you put their page through Google translator, language should not be a problem. Now, you can email them for sure, but be aware 1 / whether they can read your english, likely, but still not completely clear and 2 / whether your intended will actually be there on the day and hour you want, even if you reserve some days in advance, will still be iffy. So you can email and see what happens but confirm it by calling 30 min before she is to arrive on the day you want (hours posted clearly on their website) and just make the booking. Any payphone in Berlin will work for 0, 20 Eurocents. Let us know.

[Granthree]

Ooh thanks Rocketboy. When I am looking at it now, I can not understand how I missed that email on their site.

I'm stressed out at the moment, writing an important job application in 3 duplicates, deadline today. My head almost hurts. That's the only explanation I have.

On top of that, my phone wasn't able to call out of my country, but last summer I was outside of the country and I could call home and also to my friend in the same country. Weird problem, I have to look into that.

I have written them an email in the best google-translate-german that I could. Man I should have studied in school, and actually showed up for the German classes. It would help so much today hah.

Thanks for being such good guys on this forum!

[Rocketboy0]

Ooh thanks Rocketboy. When I am looking at it now, I can not understand how I missed that email on their site.Well, you should never allow stress or employment to interfere with mongering. And you sure are right on the language front. If they would just mention what is really going on here, study motivation would increase. Cum to think of it, this could be a great side business for the bordells and Artemis: Summer language courses. (Angus. This is right up your alley.). Perhaps "Sprache und Spritze". But I digress.

Just remember that whatever the Ritter schedule says about ah schedules, they are only good for the current week, and even then they are only a guide, not gospel. It could be different next week, or afterwards.
If timing is tight for you, you might call the day before so they know you are serious, and again on THE day to confirm it.
And if you can, schedule for a little after she is due to arrive, in case you beloved is an hour late.
These girls are only sort of on the clock-it is part of the charm of the bordello market. There is a sort of bakery / cafe nearby about 5 meters east of the "hof" entrance, if you have to wait.

Just plan for a little slippage before and after your slipping it in, and you won't be stressed. Good luck - and remember, lots more fish in the aquariums in town.

[Eddy Berlin]

Whether it was due to weakness or boredom I don't know but I was back on the prowl again, this time I had my sites set on the Hungarian pornstars resident in the Finowstrasse 3 in Berlin Friedrichshain. I had tried knocking on this address once before last year but nobody seemed to be there. The place is on the ground floor to the right and you ring the bell labeled Massage. Jennifer Morante http://www.berlinintim.de/member/Kontakte/W-JenniferMorante-28712.html Let me in and I saw some more gorgeous babes hanging out in the kitchen, one of them introduced herself as lovely and she really was. I was spoiled for choice and chose Jennifer because she spoke good English. I handed over 150 Euros for 1 hour and was allowed to take a shower. She told me that she was 27 and had lived in England for a while. She also advised me not to go to Budapest. She has a bit of acne and her teeth are not perfect but she is beautiful. She tasted very good at the front and back and also let me kiss her. She wanted 30 Euros extra for finishing in her mouth but said she doesn't swallow so I gave it a miss. Unfortunately I was not able to finish so came away partly disappointed. I noticed that she seemed pretty tough when it came down to the time keeping and I did have the impression that I wasn't with her the full hour and that my showering at the beginning may well have been counted as well. However, I would certainly give it another go.

[Granthree]

If my german teacher had just told us about stuff like this. Damn we would have laerned a lot more.

Thanks for the comments about their schedule at Ritter / Tiffanys. I will have to try and call when I arrive in Germany, and then call before the appointment.

[Charlie 123]

New talents on.

http://www.monrouge.com

Site. Couple look really interesting.

Think I'll make a visit on my next trip, anyone been there recently?

KiminoWell spotted!

I can't believe I didn't notice it myself. It's about time my favourite bordelle had a major shake-up in personnel. There are some crackers here. Dany and Liana both look adorable, Tatjiana too.

I am in town tomorrow. Very tempting to pop in at some point.

C

[Kimino]

Well spotted!

I can't believe I didn't notice it myself. It's about time my favourite bordelle had a major shake-up in personnel. There are some crackers here. Dany and Liana both look adorable, Tatjiana too.

I am in town tomorrow. Very tempting to pop in at some point.

CNice, let us know!

Same names for me + Dea and Julia, but I'm kind of sure they are still on the site just to make number.

Kimino

[Horny Harry]

Had a massage there the other day.

http://www.thaimassage-berlin-thasiaspa.de

In short: it was one of the most lousy Thai massages I've ever had, however it did include a 'happy ending. '

Towards the end of the massage she tried to push me to pay €60 extra for her to take off her clothes, but since the massage was so lousy to begin with I politely declined.

[Lucknow]

can someone help me find girls offering [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103) (natur sekt) in berlin. interested in both ways. i ma not coming up with much looking at known bordellos (liberty, salon prestige etc.) is this offered at artemis at all. i am planning on visiting artemis on next trip in two weeks.

i will be staying at kronprinz, close to artemis. so any escort recommendations would work as well. is it possible to get escorts at this hotel. hope hotel policy does not limit my options. any info is highly appreciated.

thanks a bunch.

[Customx]

try kontakt24. de and search. they have just about everything listed.


can someone help me find girls offering [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103) (natur sekt) in berlin. interested in both ways. i ma not coming up with much looking at known bordellos (liberty, salon prestige etc.) is this offered at artemis at all. i am planning on visiting artemis on next trip in two weeks.

i will be staying at kronprinz, close to artemis. so any escort recommendations would work as well. is it possible to get escorts at this hotel. hope hotel policy does not limit my options. any info is highly appreciated.

thanks a bunch.

[Merkur]

Had a massage there the other day.

http://www.thaimassage-berlin-thasiaspa.de

In short: it was one of the most lousy Thai massages I've ever had, however it did include a 'happy ending. '

Towards the end of the massage she tried to push me to pay €60 extra for her to take off her clothes, but since the massage was so lousy to begin with I politely declined.I'm not surprised. As other here have said it seems Berlin its not so good for thai massages. Do you remember how much you paid with the handjob included? I got a standard thaimassage at this place for 60€ and then a naked body to body massage for 40€ extra from another girl, so 100€ in total.

[Bobo.fr]

can someone help me find girls offering [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103) (natur sekt) in berlin. interested in both ways. i ma not coming up with much looking at known bordellos (liberty, salon prestige etc.) is this offered at artemis at all. i am planning on visiting artemis on next trip in two weeks.

i will be staying at kronprinz, close to artemis. so any escort recommendations would work as well. is it possible to get escorts at this hotel. hope hotel policy does not limit my options. any info is highly appreciated.

thanks a bunch.call and ask to be sure if the list is up-to-date : http://www.kamilla-dee.com/faehig.htm

[Member #4309]

Wana make some own porn (for my own perverted pleasure).

Any ideas where I can hook some?

[Lucknow]

Call and ask to be sure if the list is up-to-date :

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/faehig.htmThanks for the response. I am not quite clear of the translation for KD site. What does "Sie Spenden Natursket" stand for.

Also, I come across NS Active, NS Passiv terms for natursekt. What do these mean.

Any help appreciated.

[Bobo.fr]

Thanks for the response. I am not quite clear of the translation for KD site. What does "Sie Spenden Natursket" stand for.

Also, I come across NS Active, NS Passiv terms for natursekt. What do these mean.

Any help appreciated.If I understand well :

NS Active : the client receives the "shower"

NS Passive : the lady receives the "shower"

Well, KD is not quite clear about that : depending on which "NS" you are looking for, it's better to ask (by telephone or during your visit / the parade) before the meeting.

I suppose that it's easier to find ladies who "give" shower than to "receive" it.

[Charlie 123]

If I understand well :

NS Active : the client receives the "shower"

NS Passive : the lady receives the "shower"

Well, KD is not quite clear about that : depending on which "NS" you are looking for, it's better to ask (by telephone or during your visit / the parade) before the meeting.

I suppose that it's easier to find ladies who "give" shower than to "receive" it.Indeed.

In the case of NS or anal sex, rather like the exchange of Christmas presents, it is far more blessed to give than to receive.

C

[Charlie 123]

As observed recently by Kimino, Monrouge have refreshed their lineup, and to good effect. There are a number of very attractive new ladies on their website and on Monday I had an hour with Dany from Bulgaria. I booked an hour beforehand for a midday appointment.

http://www.monrouge.com/models/details/Dany.html

She is very petite, about 5 foot nothing. 21 years old, slim with a pretty girl-next-door look about her, medium breasts and a trim figure. All in all, a very cute girl. I paid for an hour with kissing and owo as extras. Total cost 150+10+30 = 190, which became 200 of course.

Dany is very friendly, confident and passionate with all the requisite skills. She has to be awarded a few minus points for the slightly stinky breath, but that aside she is a super little package and a very worthwhile punt. Monrouge's pricing is a bit of a problem of course, and for that reason I could not describe Dany as a 'good value' session, but she is recommended anyway.

Next week Kimino will be in town and I suspect that we will be paying a further visit to Monrouge, so a report on two more new girls will no doubt follow shortly.

Charlie

[Naykan]

As observed recently by Kimino, Monrouge have refreshed their lineup, and to good effect. There are a number of very attractive new ladies on their website and on Monday I had an hour with Dany from Bulgaria. I booked an hour beforehand for a midday appointment.

http://www.monrouge.com/models/details/Dany.html

She is very petite, about 5 foot nothing. 21 years old, slim with a pretty girl-next-door look about her, medium breasts and a trim figure. All in all, a very cute girl. I paid for an hour with kissing and owo as extras. Total cost 150+10+30 = 190, which became 200 of course.

Dany is very friendly, confident and passionate with all the requisite skills. She has to be awarded a few minus points for the slightly stinky breath, but that aside she is a super little package and a very worthwhile punt. Monrouge's pricing is a bit of a problem of course, and for that reason I could not describe Dany as a 'good value' session, but she is recommended anyway.

Next week Kimino will be in town and I suspect that we will be paying a further visit to Monrouge, so a report on two more new girls will no doubt follow shortly.

CharlieHi Charlie 123,

Monrouge is a fkk club? Or you should pick the girl up to your hotel.

One hour is only one sex or more is ok.

Is there a enterance fee?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Naykan

[Kimino]

Next week Kimino will be in town and I suspect that we will be paying a further visit to Monrouge, so a report on two more new girls will no doubt follow shortly.

CharlieAbsolutely!

Kimino

[Lucknow]

If I understand well :

NS Active : the client receives the "shower"

NS Passive : the lady receives the "shower"

Well, KD is not quite clear about that : depending on which "NS" you are looking for, it's better to ask (by telephone or during your visit / the parade) before the meeting.

I suppose that it's easier to find ladies who "give" shower than to "receive" it.Thanks again for the info. I will be staying at Hotel Kronprinz. Does any one have experience with escorts at this hotel. Do I need to come to lobby to get the girl etc. What is the general policy in berlin hotels for escorts. I had a bunch of trouble getting escort in a Mexico city hotel (had to register her name as guest etc.) , hence the question.

Thanks for the help.

[Angus Magee]

Thanks again for the info. I will be staying at Hotel Kronprinz. Does any one have experience with escorts at this hotel. Do I need to come to lobby to get the girl etc. What is the general policy in berlin hotels for escorts. I had a bunch of trouble getting escort in a Mexico city hotel (had to register her name as guest etc.) , hence the question.

Thanks for the help.Not sure if there is any over all Berlin "policy". Generally Berlin hotels would be pretty laid back. The KP, however is a very small hotel. The "lobby" consists of a check in desk, a couple of chairs and a small bar off to the side. Thus any visitors will be painfully obvious as what they are. Were it me I would either chose a bigger hotel where anonymity is a little easier or meet the girl outside and bring her through the lobby myself. At the very least try to chose a very reputable agency with girls who have some experience coming to smaller hotels and will dress somewhat appropriately.

AM

[Charlie 123]

Hi Charlie 123,

Monrouge is a fkk club? Or you should pick the girl up to your hotel.

One hour is only one sex or more is ok.

Is there a enterance fee?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

NaykanIt is not an FKK club, it is a regular bordelle. Some of the girls are also available on an escort basis, so it is also possible, at extra cost, to have the girl visit you in your hotel.

There is no entrance fee. 2 pops within the hour is fine.

C

[Charlie 123]

Thanks again for the info. I will be staying at Hotel Kronprinz. Does any one have experience with escorts at this hotel. Do I need to come to lobby to get the girl etc. What is the general policy in berlin hotels for escorts. I had a bunch of trouble getting escort in a Mexico city hotel (had to register her name as guest etc.) , hence the question.

Thanks for the help.I have had girls back to the room in a dozen hotels in Berlin and I've never had a problem. Just make sure that you book the room for double occupancy and you'll be fine.

C

[Granthree]

This is my first attempt at a report. I am spending a week of holiday in Berlin. Not with mongering as a main priority, but thanks to the forum, it had to be tried.

If you've read this forum the last 14 days you can see that I had a lot of questions about ritter11. De / Tiffanys.

I had spotted a girl called Charlyn on the website, and she fit my wish list, as I like women older than myself. And flat stomachs.

It was easy finding Ritterstrasse11, you walk through a curved port and halfway in theres a door marked "eingang 1" and you push the "Tiffany" on the buzzer system, wait a bit and walk in. I used the stairs and when I reached the level Tiffanys is located, a blond woman was ringing on a door and just as I walked past a girl in a bikini opened the door and let me in. So I knew it was were I should enter, but it was weird being let in at the same time as another person, so I kept walking to the next floor, waited 10 seconds and went back down ringed the door.

The blond that just entered before me opened the door, and she smiled and I noticed she had a pretty face. She was sweet and smiled, talked to me in German and I did not understand half because my mind had started wondering, hoping, that she was Charlyn. I knew her shift started 15 min after I arrived (I like to get the early). She led me into a waiting room and left me and another girl popped her head into the room and asked if I had an appointment or wanted to see the girls. Told her I had an appointment with Charlyn, she asked "Scharlin?" (as its to be pronounced) and I said yes. And then the blonde entered again and we laughed a bit. She asked what I wanted to drink, left and got it for me, and we took care of the payment (140euro for one hour and BBBJ. I think?) and she told me she would just go change.

Fun beginning, even though its my first visit at a place like this.

Tiffanys was quite cool. A lot of room to the ceiling, much space! It was very clean. I used the WC and it was very clean.

The rooms are big and the one I was in was pretty cool, had old tree furniture.

When Charlyn entered the room again we had some more fun. I spoke english to her and she spoke german to me. She had apparently told me that she would go change, and that I should drop my clothes, but instead I kept it on, because I was not completely sure how everything was supposed to go.

She has more-than-a-handfuld fake breasts, but they are nicely done, no ugly scars and they feel nicer than most silicone breasts I have touched. Which is not many. IMHO she has a perfect body. Her face is pretty. In total a 9/10 in my book, would be a 10/10 if she had natural breasts. I like smaller breasts by the way.

She has a nice personality.

Some moaning going on. Not over-the-edge pornstar type, but I had a bit of a doubt that everything was real.

Went down on each other and kissed a bit, then misionary for a while, her on top where she teasingly told me that it was irritating her that I had not come yet!

Went for doggy, and I think it would be a lot easier if my penis was longer than the 17-18cm it is. Kept sliding out because I was fascinated by how beautiful a sight I had of her ass and back. I know I may be a bit weird here, but a fit (schlank) back is extremely sexy in my book.

Lost my enthusiasm and she did what she could to help. After a while I went down on her again, in hopes of the sight, smell and taste of that wonderful pierced vagina would help my member regain strenght. Did my best, even though I almost have no experience and she started gyroting. Put in a finger and kept licking, and then went for the two middle fingers ("fuck-you" and "ring".fingers) and started doing the "come her" motion. Either she is a good actor or she actually came. Her vagina contracted and pushed my fingers out and she moved away from my tounge. Couple of seconds later she positioned herself again, and let me lick her. Tried the fingers again, but it was not possible, too tight and she told me she needed a pause before she could go again and then started kissing and carassing me.

I just could not finnish. Cockblocked by my self.

She was nice about it and told me it was a shame. Damn right, every thing was perfect and she was so cute and nice.

Before I left, she went and got 10 euro for me. For what I still can not figure out, was it because I did not cum? Maybe it was 10 euro for cumming? Told her that it was hers to keep, and that I had had a good time.

Was let out and given a kiss at both the door to the room, and the entrance door.

[Granthree]

By the way, a friend and me were approached on the street last night at about 23:30 on Alexanderplatz by a pretty cute girl in stockings and total hooker look. My friend looked at her tits and later told me something was wrong with them, looked like small footballs or something.

She offered us two girls, they had a setup 2 minutes away at a hotel. 160 euro for both of us for 45 min, and we could switch as much as we would. Declined the offer as it seemed a bit sketchy (and she started cupping my penis and told me it was a good offer) and before she approached us she had just left some guy (her pimp?) that walked backwards into an alley.

Hmm anyone tried to take them up on those offers? Are the girls at the room uglier than the "street seller" or can we get mugged, or only ripped off?

[Rocketboy0]

Declined the offer as it seemed a bit sketchy (and she started cupping my penis and told me it was a good offer) and before she approached us she had just left some guy (her pimp?) that walked backwards into an alley. Hmm anyone tried to take them up on those offers? Are the girls at the room uglier than the "street seller" or can we get mugged, or only ripped off?A "bit" sketchy? Try "seriously on steroids" sketchy. You did the right thing by movin` on. I would avoid the street scene like the plague, though I know some find it a turn-on. A girl with uneven football boobs with a guy in the alley who is fronting for others. Sound pretty wholesome to me, like the fun game played every now and then in the movie The Deer Hunter.

There are so many many (MANY) safe alternatives-why bother in a city you don't know, in a language you probably don't speak well? On a very related point, regardless of how things ended at Ritter, you had a decent time and your choice sounds pretty fair and accommodating as well. (I wish people would pay me 10 Eur for not cumming). .

If you are around for a bit, you might try the scene at Mon Rouge (which as you can see from the Forum is flavor of the week) , and even the mighty Artemis (a real Berlin thing vs bordellos which are kind of everywhere). No guys lurking in the alleys, but you might still have fun.

[Granthree]

A "bit" sketchy? Try "seriously on steroids" sketchy. You did the right thing by movin` on. I would avoid the street scene like the plague, though I know some find it a turn-on. A girl with uneven football boobs with a guy in the alley who is fronting for others. Sound pretty wholesome to me, like the fun game played every now and then in the movie The Deer Hunter.

There are so many many (MANY) safe alternatives-why bother in a city you don't know, in a language you probably don't speak well? On a very related point, regardless of how things ended at Ritter, you had a decent time and your choice sounds pretty fair and accommodating as well. (I wish people would pay me 10 Eur for not cumming). .

If you are around for a bit, you might try the scene at Mon Rouge (which as you can see from the Forum is flavor of the week) , and even the mighty Artemis (a real Berlin thing vs bordellos which are kind of everywhere). No guys lurking in the alleys, but you might still have fun.Heheh yeah I thought it was sketchy as fuck. But she spoke great english and was a good salesperson, and had a decent face and nice legs. To be fair, I did not even look at her boobs. Society has just taught me that it is not polite doing something like that. But my friend did. Heh.

As soon as the salesperson had spent 1-2 minutes with us, another girl approached, not as good looking. Probably to take us to the room, and she was probably one of the girls we were supposed to have sex with.

At least my friend and I have a joke now. Afterwards he told me he taught we should have done it, and I said only if we had done the "eiffel tower". He did not know that position was, so I told him. This is copied from some website, did not want to write it:

"When a woman is on her knees performing sweet fellatio to a man standing, and another man is railing her from behind, thus the two men join hands above the woman to form what looks the Eiffel Tower."

That would be so fucking cool. So now we are joking about finding some girl to do the Eiffel Tower with.

I agree, there are a lot of easy and safe places in this city. It is really good for having sex with prostitutes! I will write another report soon, I was angry and frustrated and toured the city with the excelent public transport.

Rocketboy, do you also have the problem with not comming? It's really irritating, I am having so much fun but not the reward.

[Granthree]

So after having had a wonderful time with Charlyn but not comming, I felt bad about myself. Went back to the hotel and took a shower, and started searched for private girls or bordellos or anything.

Fell over the Slutty Kelly thing here, and wrote her an email. Quick response, but unfortunately she was in London still. I wanted to have some aggresive sex and she seemed to be a good girl for that task. The mails we wrote made me kinda horny. Fuck man, I want to try a girl like that some time. Almost crazy.

So I went on a search on the fairgirls. De site. Found some girls but over all, I wanted something I'd never had a taught about before. A goth girl. http://www.fair-girls.de/Berlin-Zentrum/1183

The pictures make her look a bit angry, but that was not how I found her at all!

I probably found the only goth girl in Berlin, Evelineblack. Wrote her an email and she answered about 5-10 minutes after. That's impressive.

I think her website is this one. Hope it works, it worked earlier: http://evelineblack.oyla.de/

Pictures I just found googling her name: http://s927.***********.com/albums/ad116/lady-lydia/Eveline%20Black/

Seriously, I think she looks a bit angry and not so pretty on those pictures. The girl I experienced, at the end of her 15 hour workday (!) was cute, smiling and awesome. Intelligent conversation, and she was good at english. I felt bad at not matching her level of conversation skills.

She works at something called Salon Pankow. http://www.salonpankow.de/BordellBerlin-SalonPankow-Start.html

It was so easy getting there, just take the U bahn. Line U2 from Alexanderplatz. Towards Pankow, which is the end station. Go out on the street, turn left and walk a minute or two, and head left again. Look for the neon sign. Easy.

At 22:45 it seems like it is in a bit of sketchy part of the town. A little like slum, but then not. I felt safe anyhow, the only thing I am scared of, it seems, is cumming. Fucking hell. I am allowed to write that. Call the cops. I don't give a fuck. (http://www.lolroflmao.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/FLtIB.jpg)

Rang 2 times. 30 seconds later Sera opened up. She is pretty nice IRL. Looks better than her pictures.

I went with Eveline as I had emailed her. Just wanted to stick with the goth theme. Not a girl I would ever had a chance with IRL. Our worlds are just so far apart, I just try to go un-noticed and goths are like "yeah so what, that's how I look". Brave maybe.

I wanted to try anal, but she told me it was depending how big my dick was, and when I got hard she told me it was too thick for her. It is ok, I will just try it another time. Saved me 40 euros.

She gave me a back massage. It is a long time since I have been so relaxed. Her conversation, joking, laughing and nice personality was disarmingly. And she was cute.

She does not have that triangle hair thing any more. I think it looks cool as fuck, but she said it required a lot of time to keep it nice, because people touched it all the time.

Her pussy is really tight, it was a bit hard to get it in.

Very good service and I had a very good time. Was hard all the way through, but just could not cum. She tried a lot, gave me a very good handjob and it felt as good as an orgasm, just without cumming. Never tried that before.

Ooh and one more thing. Her breasts are so nice to touch, they feel human! (which silicone breasts does not)

I am giving it a chance at Artemis, and if that fails and I can't cum, I will become gay or live in celebacy as a munk.

[Angus Magee]

I have never heard of any hookers working Alexanderplatz. I would say that you dodged a serious bullet here. At the very least they were out to rob you of the amount of a session, but more likely everything you had. As RB states, really stay away from street trade in Berlin. The locals might be able to pull it off but you as a tourist will almost certainly waste your money. There are just too many other options available.

AM

[Rocketboy0]

so after having had a wonderful time with charlyn but not comming, i felt bad about myself. .i am giving it a chance at artemis, and if that fails and i can't cum, i will become gay or live in celebacy as a munk.well, rb has many problems of course, but difficulty in blowing the main ballast tank is not among them. g not knowing you or whatever else might be going on in your head or body puts one on pretty shakey ground here. i don`t know if this cumming thing has followed you before this or not. so take all this for what it is worth (as in, i really i have no fucking clue) , and it's only because you keep writing about it, that i will even go near this subject. first, it could be that the hooker experience puts you under some pressure, even if it is subconscious. you have paid, you must cum, etc. then there the feeling of the clock. then there is just being in strange places with strange girls. then there are tight orifices. who knows-probably a combination of all. now of course it can happen, and there have been a few times when things just were not right even for your humble reporter here, but ultimately, he just ripped off the condom at the end, and while still kissing and fondling the girl, finished the deed himself with his most loyal girlfriend (my right hand) and blew wadidge into a romantic paper towel. if you are willing (to pay) there is always just cumming in her mouth, bareback, as long as you discuss this with the artemis lass. so there are always options. don´t know if you tried these?

all you can do is try to reduce stress and optimize chances. here is what i would suggest. first, a good night's sleep prior, and no serious boozing. then, go to a drug store and buy your own condoms, maybe a durex bare or something more sensitive and of the right size. you can use your own in these things as long as you keep it in the package box so the girl sees they are new and feels safe. these should feel and fit much better than the trash bags used by most girls.

go to artemis, around 5pm, so you have the tail end (as it were) of the quieter day shift but the night shift starting to expand the gene pool. just chill. spend time in the pool, sauna, lounging around, a little light snaking but no heavy eating before a session. just look at all the naked wonders. watch a few porno flicks in the cinemas. every now and then just talk to potential partner but take it real slow. build yourself up into a state of relaxed horniness (sort of like what angus magee feels brushing his teeth, or what i feel looking at a tree). just a general buzz of geilness, as the locals say. but don't rush into anything, take your time talking and flirting, even just walking away and coming back to a choice a little later, letting the whole thing burn a little. in your situation, a slightly older more settled, experienced girl who is comfortable with herself (jenna, nina, natalie come to mind at artemis, you can ask at the bar upstairs to point them out). perhaps one also who is slightly taller and fuller to accommodate a larger love tor****. just make sure you chat a bit first and that there is some click between you. then take an hour, relax and just enjoy the ride.

[Granthree]

hey thanks a lot. you did not venture too far, at all!

you are right about the time factor, and the other things. i think the time factor is the worst of them all. and i might have trouble "letting go" and just being the "primate" that i am.

i will go to artemis this weekend, well knowing i probably won't come, but i will try to have fun and set that as a goal. and use lots of time there, getting a good "geil-ness".

thanks about the condoms. after i slept i actually thought about that. eveline put the condom on with her mouth and the first one broke, and she used another one, but i think that maybe their condoms are the bulk / oem cheap ones. i have googled a lot ealier this afternoon, and when i wake up (i hope i am sober, as i have just come home from the city now, at 04:30 hehe. nice city and lots of lovely and helpsome people!) i will try to go out and find either crown skinnless skin condoms, durex extra sensitivity, lifestyles x2 or durex enhanced pleasure. those are supposed to be the thinnest and most pleasureable.

thanks, i love this forum.

granthree


well, rb has many problems of course, but difficulty in blowing the main ballast tank is not among them. g not knowing you or whatever else might be going on in your head or body puts one on pretty shakey ground here. i don`t know if this cumming thing has followed you before this or not. so take all this for what it is worth (as in, i really i have no fucking clue) , and it's only because you keep writing about it, that i will even go near this subject. first, it could be that the hooker experience puts you under some pressure, even if it is subconscious. you have paid, you must cum, etc. then there the feeling of the clock. then there is just being in strange places with strange girls. then there are tight orifices. who knows-probably a combination of all. now of course it can happen, and there have been a few times when things just were not right even for your humble reporter here, but ultimately, he just ripped off the condom at the end, and while still kissing and fondling the girl, finished the deed himself with his most loyal girlfriend (my right hand) and blew wadidge into a romantic paper towel. if you are willing (to pay) there is always just cumming in her mouth, bareback, as long as you discuss this with the artemis lass. so there are always options. don't know if you tried these?

all you can do is try to reduce stress and optimize chances. here is what i would suggest. first, a good night's sleep prior, and no serious boozing. then, go to a drug store and buy your own condoms, maybe a durex bare or something more sensitive and of the right size. you can use your own in these things as long as you keep it in the package box so the girl sees they are new and feels safe. these should feel and fit much better than the trash bags used by most girls.

go to artemis, around 5pm, so you have the tail end (as it were) of the quieter day shift but the night shift starting to expand the gene pool. just chill. spend time in the pool, sauna, lounging around, a little light snaking but no heavy eating before a session. just look at all the naked wonders. watch a few porno flicks in the cinemas. every now and then just talk to potential partner but take it real slow. build yourself up into a state of relaxed horniness (sort of like what angus magee feels brushing his teeth, or what i feel looking at a tree). just a general buzz of geilness, as the locals say. but don't rush into anything, take your time talking and flirting, even just walking away and coming back to a choice a little later, letting the whole thing burn a little. in your situation, a slightly older more settled, experienced girl who is comfortable with herself (jenna, nina, natalie come to mind at artemis, you can ask at the bar upstairs to point them out). perhaps one also who is slightly taller and fuller to accommodate a larger love tor****. just make sure you chat a bit first and that there is some click between you. then take an hour, relax and just enjoy the ride.

[Rocketboy0]

Hey thanks a lot. You did not venture too far, at all!

You are right about the time factor, and the other things. I think the time factor is the worst of them all. And I might have trouble "letting go" and just being the "primate" that I am.

I will go to Artemis this weekend, well knowing I probably won't come, but I will try to have fun and set that as a goal. And use lots of time there, getting a good "geil-ness".

GranthreeWell just try to relax more about all this. Seems like you are worrying and thinking way too much about it all. And I mean, since you know what cuming is, you can also have her wank you or just do it yourself at the end (putting some lubricant on the outside of the condom helps), get close and then slide it in just before explosion time. Or just rip the damn thing off and blow. There really are multiple, simple, effective, sexy solutions. Take even more time if you need to- you can always extend a session (at a price). Maybe before you get to Artms, have a short whiskey or scotch somewhere just to relax a little? Eat a banana also to remind yourself you are indeed basically a monkey (who fucks anything), and so you don´t reek of booze. Just choose a woman who both makes your heart pound BUT also is nice and understanding. Take time on the choice. And maybe you will even choose several over the night.

Somehow you have psyched yourself that this is a problem when if you would think less about it, it won't be at all. You men are such sensitive creatures.

[Merkur]

Very good service and I had a very good time. Was hard all the way through, but just could not cum. She tried a lot, gave me a very good handjob and it felt as good as an orgasm, just without cumming. Never tried that before.Great reports Granthree. Sorry to hear about your problems of cumming. I have the opposite problem of yours- cumming to quickly!

Reading about your problems of cumming, your description of being relaxed during that back massage and the "good handjob without cumming" that you enjoyed, I strongly recommend you to try a tantramassage. While having an orgasm with ejaculation is enjoyable, in tantra it is not of vital importance. Your body will stay in perfect relaxtion (this may require some practice) and you will feel connected with yourself. Try not to think about the cumming part. Let things flow naturally. In tantra you can also have an "inner orgasm" (called "the big draw") As of the time factor- you have plenty of time! Normally from 2 hours and upwards (though shorter than this is also possible) and there is absolutely no stress. Before the massage the masseuse will answer any questions you might have about the massage. I have to mention a tantra massage is usually an experience enjoyed passive (though there are some exceptions to this- depending on the masseuse), but believe me- its very sensual and you wont miss anything. You will receive a long penis massage (lingam massasse) from very skilled hands with lot of varities and this comes naturally after a long sexual awakening of the body.

There are many tantra massage places in Berlin. Kashima has a young team and is among the many great tantra massage places in Berlin: http://www.kashima.de/tantra-berlin.html

I've been to this place 4 times and always been satisfied.

I can also recommend:

http://www.spiritual-tantra.de/

http://www.ganzheitlichich.de/

http://www.mandelmilchundsafran.de/ayu.php

My advice: Just forget the bordello scene for one day (plenty of time for that later) and call Kashima to make an appointment.
Hope this is helpful for you and let us know how it went should you decide to take up on my advice.

[Deeps]

Hi fellows,

I have been watching this thread and Artemis thread for quite some time now. Work is going to bring me to Berline (& Germany) for the first time and I am willing to spare some time for mongering as well. I am going to arrive at Berlin on 19th and will be staying for 4 weeks. I am looking forward to visit great places around here which was recommended here in the thread. I have been put up at a hotel in Stephanstrasse. Looks to be far from the mongering hub but anyway.

I will provide the reports of my adventures and will ask for help if required. If possible, will meetup some of you if you are willing too. Wish me luck.

Thanks

[JohnnyLolly]

can someone help me find girls offering [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103) (natur sekt) in berlin. interested in both ways. i ma not coming up with much looking at known bordellos (liberty, salon prestige etc.) is this offered at artemis at all. i am planning on visiting artemis on next trip in two weeks.

i will be staying at kronprinz, close to artemis. so any escort recommendations would work as well. is it possible to get escorts at this hotel. hope hotel policy does not limit my options. any info is highly appreciated.

thanks a bunch.in artemis it's possible to receive a [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103), which will cost 50 extra if i'm not mistaken. however to give it actively depends very much on the girl. i haven't met one yet, who offers that service there.

you might want to trie a "studio", theses locations offer all sorts of nasty stuff. lol.

best,

j

[Nille Copenhagen]

in artemis it's possible to receive a [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103), which will cost 50 extra if i'm not mistaken. however to give it actively depends very much on the girl. i haven't met one yet, who offers that service there.

you might want to trie a "studio", theses locations offer all sorts of nasty stuff. lol.

best,

jit shouldn't be difficult to find a girl that will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on you (with or without money) , if you want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on the girl it's a different story.

[Granthree]

first of all, thanks for all the replies and help. it is nice of you to help me out.

i could not make an appointment to the tantra places, because i got up to late on sunday, feeling like shit after having been at salon pankow saturday night and then partying afterward. i only had that one day (sunday) left and had hang overs.

the friday had been fun. went out to eat with a friend. found a cool place called pane e vino, frederichstrasse 134 (vinera-berlin. de). ordered a main dish and a large bier, ate and drank, then ordered another main dish and large bier. surprised the waiter a bit! . best staff we ever met, the guy that served us was gay and had his doubt about us being a couple. funny guy, for a split second i thought that my mom, and many other people, might be right in thinking that i am gay. dropped that thought and we went out and partied instead, found some cool underground places and got really drunk on all those magnificent (and incredible cheap!) german biers. prost!

on saturday my friend left for home, and i had two days left alone. lazy day, i think i was up and out of the hotel at 3 or 4 in the afternoon. not used to a week of drinking.

something had to happen. thought about going to artemis to try it, but i was to tired.

somehow i ended up at salon pankow again. i had seen the girl called sera open the door a couple of days before and she had a porn look i couldn't forget.

when i arrived, she was not working. and eveline black was not either. she was a cute girl, and looked a lot better irl than on her pictures.

there were some super hot tall, slim brunette girl, and then a smaller girl called bianca. i went with bianca because she was cute and we had chemistry.

had a lot of fun with her, her body was damn fine! her face was fucking hot, she had perfected the squinty-eyes-porn-look. she kissed and bit my neck, and talked dirty. and we laughed a lot. have to get a girl like that as a girlfriend. perfect body and good humor.

well that was a sidestep. what i really wanted to tell you guys about is my trip to fkk-artemis. i am posting this in both berlin and fkk-artemis forums, because it contains a bit of both. i hope it is ok.

when i woke up sunday "morning" (as in 1 in the afternoon) i was feeling really old and tired. after salon pankow on saturday night, i had went out and got quite drunk. found out the same day that my brother had gotten married and they just sent me a text message (sms) to tell me. i felt left out and alone. getting drunk was my logical solution in this situation. i feel that is why alcohol was invented in the first place.

a week of drinking almost every night can be a bit hard, and added the sex i had and the mental barriers i had to get past, takes a heavy mark. i am also not 18 any more.

but anyway, i went to artemis in the evening around 8 or 9. was just to tired to go before that.

that place is crazy! i felt weird when i entered.

was handed an ugly bathrobe, almost the same color as the german taxis. wtf that it just really not sexy at all. why not white? some guy was sporting a green bathrobe? mega über pimp or how does he get that? i know it was just st. patrick's day, but whatever.

showered and felt really weird about having to put the bathrobe on one side of the wall and then walk naked to the shower, passing some of the people going to the wc and also people at the entrance and cleaning ladies. showered and took it slow, finding the rhythm of the place. i am always a bit scarred about new places, not wanting to do something wrong. so i just tried my best to fit in. after showering and applying personal hygiene products (some men was smelling like sweat, one particular guy could be smelled 3 meters away, heavy garlic smell. wtf guys take a shower and use a deodorant. its not so hard) i went out the the stairs to look around. a cute girl approached me in 10 seconds, asking if it was my first time. easy prey to spot! thought i had met what you call a shark, but she was just really friendly and informed me of the prices, and how everything worked. pointed me in the right directions and told me we could talk later. i never met up with her, but she had an honest and cute face.

went downstairs and worked out a bit, just to get the blood flow going, and went to the bar to get something to drink. a girl just swooped in under my radar, did not notice her coming from behind. it is weird, because i usually have that kind of personal radar out, like a protection. thought it maybe was a friend i did not know was there, because no girl has ever come and swung her arm around me, caressing me without me knowing it.

elsa, else or something in that way, from romania:

after reading a lot of the forum, i feel the romanian girls have a bad reputation and wondered if i should just keep away. but i was feeling a vibe from her, something genuine, if you can say that for a place like artemis.

when i asked her what her name was, and where she was from, she promptly told me her name and i could see her wait to think a bit, maybe about lying about being from spain or telling the truth about being from romania. i do not think there's anything wrong with being from a certain country. can you guys help me out why someone dislikes romanians?

she told me the truth, and made kind of a quirky smile. maybe because she never tells the truth and for once accidentally told the truth, like she almost surprised herself with the honesty. thinking back, it was probably because of that small thing, that i went with her to a room.

she could read me like an open book and asked if i was shy or very shy. .

i received a wonderful massage for about 30 minutes, on my back, arms and hands, she was good at it. talked about work, family etc. pillow talk is the best, and it is also an indication to me, that i need a girlfriend, or a therapist more, than i need a hooker. we talked about my brother getting married and me not being invited and feeling left out. it was nice sharing with someone, and made me feel better. it is easier being 100% honest with someone you know won't see again. that, and the massage, left me completely relaxed. long time since i had that feeling.

had sex for about 30 minutes after that. was so relaxed that i doubted i could get an erection but she just told me to lie on my back and relax, then she would do all the work.

her body was, as 80% of all girls at artemis, nice! 10% are not so nice, but not directly bad, and 10% are killer bodies, dream bodies or what you can call them.

she had natural breasts, just as i like them, and she was just a nice person.

tried the sauna afterward. only the 60 degrees and only for 5-10 minutes, with my eyes closed as i was afraid of drying out my contact lenses. quick shower, hygiene products used and down to the sofas underneath the stairs. two guys were there and i asked if it was ok to lay in the middle, with about 2 meters to each of the others. talked for what seems like hours with a german guy, but in english. he was giggling like a little school girl some times. i found it so fun, so i just asked him 'having fun? ' and when he answered, i felt like an asshole because it sounded like he could not speak english and now i had forced him to try, destroying his fun. and then i felt weird about asking, not sure if i had broken the etiquette. but he was really good at english, and we had an interesting mix of topics we discussed, from photography to being able to view directly up the vagina's of girls up on the stairs. only interrupted by girls trying to pick us up. it was weird having to say no thanks to beautiful women. i have never tried that before hehe. played the 'oh i just came, i have to wait a bit'. you guys would know that a sentence like that from me is a lie.

it was nice having someone to translate a bit for me. we were approached by women many times, and found it fun that some of the girls would just go up and try to go to a room immediately. was really cool talking to that guy, it made me relax more, and it was nice being underneath the stairs, as you could see a lot of things going on, and view how the girls tried picking up guys etc.

at one time, this blonde girl came up and offered us a threesome or foursome, however we wanted it. she had a sister at the club and they were willing to do a lesbian show and touch each other etc. sounds pretty kinky, but i would have my doubt that they're real sisters? anyway it sparked a lot of interest, just for the. science in it. but as i do not get turned on by watching more than 2 people have sex on film, i declined. she was damn pretty, but i was not turned on, was maybe to tired.

then i went to the bar because i had seen a couple of black girls earlier and i wanted to check them out. i love their skin color, it is so pretty. i am sorry but i can not remember her name, and there is no pictures of her on the website, but i found a really nice black girl. she was wearing a small white leather corset and had piercings in the naval and pussy, and a look-a-like piecing in the left nipple. as soon as i saw her, i knew i wanted her. asked her to go to a room within a minute of meeting her. her skin was so beautiful. i have never been with a black girl before and something about it just turned me on. she was from kenya and had a killer body. i was sporting a half mast when we walked up the stairs. she noticed it and we laughed a bit about it. it's difficult to hide a hard cock in those thin bathrobes. in the room she looked through her bag and at the bottom found a special condom, and she sat there weighing my dick in her hands and tried slapping her self with it, saying it was rare seeing a white guy with a dick as big as a banana! always fun to discus penis size with a girl, as long as she compares you with a black guy or saying its bigger than a banana, telling you it needs special condoms for big boys etc. her fingers / hand could not fit all the way around the shaft and she sat there playing with it for a bit. was pretty fun, and also nice.

could almost not enter her, as she is very tight. and what an incredible body, and the skin color and texture was so damn fine. not sure if the breasts is real or not, did not care as they felt nice.

tipped her €10 and she was very happy. after we both freshened up, i met her in the bar later when she came around, to give me a short back massage and we joked a little bit, and told me she was going with a friend to the downstairs kino and that i maybe should try to check out.

even though i did not come, nobody can take away that visual image i have imprinted in my mind. my white and her black body was just such a nice visual.

by the way, it is an insane amount of towels that get used at artemis. and also the water usage must be going through the roof. four times i came into an area with a shower just going on, full power, with nobody around. fucking idiots, people that just let it run. i really have no respect for that.

i needed a break and also just thought that i was done for the day, so i went and bought a €10 chip in the entrance. why it is so expensive, i do not understand. €10 is crazy, and even €5 seems expensive compared to other places in berlin. restaurant prices are usually below €4.

but it felt me more relaxed, and self confident, just that single one beer. went to the sauna again and took a quick shower, just waiting for the time to be 04:00 so i could catch a train back home. another girl came swooping in, took my feet away from under me. or just made me fucking horny. she knew what bottons to push!

her hairstyle also helped, looked like something victoria beckham (google posh haircut) and was pretty damn hot. always liked that hairstyle. can't even remember her name. hungarian. 30 year old. not supermodel pretty in the face, like some of the other girls, but she seemed genuine and was a champion at holding eye contact and making me feel important.

i said that i was very tired and doubted i could even get it up, and her response was to tell me that we should go to the kino and watch a movie for 15-20 minutes while kissing and her giving me a slow blow job, and see if it worked out. the way she said if, and held eye contact with me, was über hot. took me in the hand and led me down into the kino. i think there is 4 rows of sofas, the 2 last ones were filled with guys+girls, so we took the one next closest to the screen. i could hear the guys behind me getting some sloppy head, slurping sounds all over. and in a room down there, someone was having sex. i did not give a fuck, and just focused on the girl. she was nice, we sat there, her with a leg crossing over one of my legs, kissing me, looking into each others eyes and her giving me a 'slow blowjob', which she was very good at. i became hard as a rock in a short time, and she kept blowing me. i did not even give a fuck about the guys behind me getting a show. we went to the room just next to the screen, and i could see that she was in doubt what to do with my cock. her earlier talk about anal sex being amazing, and offering it to me, was not being offered any more (it was also too expensive at €100, can not understand why anal sex is so expensive at artemis, at salon pankow it was €40 as far as i remember, even though none of the ones i met at s. p. wanted to do the deed, which i am ok with). we laid down and she kept on giving me a combined hj / bj which felt great, and we kept on kissing. long story short, i came in her mouth.

felt fucking good.

not only because of cumming, but because i finally could!

thanks heineken, and thanks rocketboy for giving the advice about trying alcohol to loose up.

thanks to the banks in my home country doing an update from 04:00 to 05:00 i could not get more money from the ec atm so i had to stop there. maybe for the best, like stopping while having 'success' instead of having a 'bad' experience again. not that i regret anything i have done at all, or not being able to finnish. i've had a great time and i have spent more money on my motorcycle getting a lot less than i had gotten here.

there were a turkish girl, really petite and small, wearing some red things, not a bra, but above the breasts. and also a blonde girl with s small frame and a really hot face, almost a little provocative, as i left, i figured out i really wanted to fuck them. well that is how it goes. .

almost missed my plane today. i came back to my hotel monday morning at around 5:45 in the morning, had to be at the airport at around 11 hah. and had to pack also. .

haha oh and thanks, if you actually read all my text. don't know if it is interesting or not. heh comment.

[Zero Gravity]

I visited my first German bordell today, and unfortunately the experience was not very good. I guess large part of the disappointment was caused by my inexperience, but I still feel the need to tell someone my story.

I had done my homework on this forum, and so I chose Royal as my first bordell. That place seems to get consistently good reviews here, and also the girls on the website are very much the type I like.

I visited the place around 16:30 on Thursday afternoon. The visit started very well. The housemutti was very welcoming and very quickly I met a parade of about dozen beautiful girls. I chose a 45 minute session with petite Ruby, who comes from Hungary. The housemutti didn't go through the extras with me, because she said Ruby speaks good enough English. Unfortunately that turned out to be the problem on my visit.

When Ruby came into the room, she immediately apologized that she speaks only very little German, and seemed very relieved when I said I prefer English too. But when she listed all the extras she offers, for some reason she used only German terms. I tried to ask her to explain them in English, but she kept using German. I got the impression that she didn't know the right English words. I understand some German, and from this forum I have learned most of the relevant terms, so I didn't think this was a problem. I tried to choose BBBJ, and I'm sure she even confirmed it with me by saying "Französisch ohne" when I chose the extra.

She started the session with a long handjob. I thought that she was just taking things slowly, but when she started putting a condom on me, I realized something was wrong. I tried to ask her about the extras, but she just said "Ohne kondom" and showed the package to me. Then she continued to put the condom on me. I was completely confused about this, but decided to go on, which turned out to be a big mistake. I felt that starting to negotiate about the extras at this point would just spoil the mood, but in fact not getting clarification to the issue spoiled my mood even more effectively.

Soon I just completely lost my erection. She kept trying to get it up again using only her hands, but after a while I had to give up. I asked her to give me a back massage, so that I could at least get something more out of this session than just an extended handjob.

Afterwards when the housemutti came to ask if I was satisfied, I explained my confusion about the extras. She seemed sympathetic, but could only say that it was very strange. I didn't want to press the issue further, so I just said that I must have misunderstood something. But now the situation really bothers me. I really wish I could hear her side of the story. What did she think I was paying for? I really didn't feel I received anything that could be charged as an extra.

[Rocketboy0]

I was completely confused about this, but decided to go on, which turned out to be a big mistake. I felt that starting to negotiate about the extras at this point would just spoil the mood, but in fact not getting clarification to the issue spoiled my mood even more effectively.Soon I just completely lost my erection. She kept trying to get it up again using only her hands, but after a while I had to give up. I asked her to give me a back massage, so that I could at least get something more out of this session than just an extended handjobZeroG-bummer. It happens. Sex between strangers, based on a commercial interest, carries bio-chemical and emotional risks. Sometimes (and it is rare, but does occur especially with a younger girl) , right in the middle of things she gets uncomfortable and tries to talk more to kill time or not do things promised. It has happened to me, and probably all of us.

As this was your first time, I would say 2 lessons here. First, you have to be sure before the door is closed, you feel confident enough on the communications side and on the more important vibes side that you both understand each other and that there is a minimum level of comfort and trust. It sort of sounds like you thought this, but only you can answer it, especially what vibe you think she (not you) felt. If you have the slightest doubt then, either be very sure by asking and confirming again, or asking to see another. One of the drawbacks to the bordellos is the short time you have to judge all this. RB usually makes a joke of the negotiation saying something like "I know it is very romantic to ask this but we agree on extras and that also, you are ok with me?" I really do ask that directly sometimes if I have some doubt. It is just silly to assume just because you pay, that a woman finds you sufficiently attractive to go through this. While even the money hungry ones will lie, you can watch the eyes and body language, and taking the extra 2 minutes to judge this before committing is time very well spent. This is much more difficult with animals, so take advantage of being with your own species.

Second, if you are in the middle of things inflagrante and suddenly the "deal terms" get completely scrambled, the best thing to do is stop right then. Ask to see the Hausmutti and explain what happened. Either you will get all or at least some of your money back, and or choose another. It is uncomfortable for all concerned but better than just suffering through what you know will be a bad session. Different bordells and Hausmuttis will of course handle this differently, but it is the way to go as it gives you a shot at redress, and they get useful feedback.

Anyway, as you can tell by the Forum, all this is pretty rare and you just gotten unlucky, in a good place. Don't be put off by this, there are plenty of other options. Now that you have some experience, you might even try Artemis, as you have no time pressure to make any fast decisions, and can interview candidates at length, and with all the tourists language issues are less, and you can even ask men who were just with one of your intendeds how she was. So don't give up, and good luck.

[Granthree]

Now that you have some experience, you might even try Artemis, as you have no time pressure to make any fast decisions, and can interview candidates at length, and with all the tourists language issues are less, and you can even ask men who were just with one of your intendeds how she was. So don't give up, and good luck.I agree with trying out Artemis. It is easier to see if you and the girl has a "vibe" and it is easier just to sit and become relaxed and not panicking about this new thing! After being at Artemis a couple of hours, the nakedness of the women, the atmosphere etc. Had a nice effect on me. I relaxed some more, and found it easier to ask into the extras etc.

[Deeps]

It's been 5 days I am in Berlin and they were very good 5 days. I like the atmosphere, the peoples, the food around here. I have managed to visit Tiffany and Liberty (report will follow next) and it was a very nice experience. I even managed to get a monthly pass of U-Bahn from a german lady working at a BVG service center who knows no english at all and me who don't know german at all. It is worthy as it keeps the my transportation costs down to roam around Berlin.

Now, time for reports.

My first ever visit to a bordell was in Tiffany. I went there on Wednesday around 7. One of the working girl opened the door and took me to the room. I asked for the girls who can speak english and then around 5 girls were presented. I was looking forward to meet Kim but she was with some other client. From the lineup, I selected Mariella. She was from latin america and speak mostly german, spanish and a very little english. I asked for 1 hour session but since her timing will end in 30 min so we opted for 30 min session with her with no extras. It was a decent session. She had a tight pussy and allowed me to do DATY, fingering, licking but no kissing. Even I didn; t asked about as I was busy playing with her pussy. We tried different positions like 69, missionary, cowgirl, doggy etc and she played with my balls. After 20 min, I had came. Since she was not able to provide 1 hour, she told me I can do it one more time which we tried to get it but didn't happened. Overall, a very good experience with a sweet lady. Didn; t felt it was mechanical and was satisfied. I have to try Kim sometime so will visit again.

My second visit was in Liberty. I went on Friday again around 7. The old lady opened the door and I was welcomed in. She spoke in german to me and took me to the room. There I asked that I would prefer english so she said that they have girls that can speak english too. The lineup had 4 girls in which I selected Caroline. She was 21 year old and german. She speak little english. Was taken to the room. The difference between the room of Tiffany and Liberty is that room in Tiffany looks to be old whereas in Liberty it is modern. She asked me for the extra in which I selected kissing and uncovered blowjob because the DATY was in extra. We started with DFK which continued for 10 min (glad I opted for it). Then she gave me a little uncovered blowjob but it was nothing great (20 euro loss). Then we started with missionary, followed by cowgirl, then doggy. After a while I was feeling it like mechanical, so was getting disinterested. I then stopped and was talking to her for last 10 min. It was good conversation and we discuss about places to visit in Berlin, her education etc. After the time was over, I left. Overall, an ok experience. I might visit again but for some other girl.

I have seen that around 6, 7 the girls start leaving or get busy so you don't get a decent lineup. I think I should try early. I have marked the location of KD, VK, monrouge, royal etc on my map and I will visit them in coming days.

I was also thinking about calling escort to my hotel but thinking that will my no german knowledge will affect it. Can you guys suggest decent escort agency? I am also planning to give KZ a call for Ramona.

Regards,

[Nille Copenhagen]

I agree with trying out Artemis. It is easier to see if you and the girl has a "vibe" and it is easier just to sit and become relaxed and not panicking about this new thing! After being at Artemis a couple of hours, the nakedness of the women, the atmosphere etc. Had a nice effect on me. I relaxed some more, and found it easier to ask into the extras etc.Yes you get used to the girls' nakedness, it doesn't has a wild wow effect on me anymore, but still very nice, extras are expensive at Artemis, apartment girls are cheaper.

[Granthree]

Yes you get used to the girls' nakedness, it doesn't has a wild wow effect on me anymore, but still very nice, extras are expensive at Artemis, apartment girls are cheaper.Hej Nille, sorry for asking this, but have you been at Artemis about a week ago? I met some Danish gentleman there, about 55 year old from Copenhagen, in the locker rooms. He seemed a bit surprised that I spoke Danish to him, but he took it in a good way.

Are you on any Danish forums? I think there are quite a bit, gimel, hedox, hedomax (net and com sites are different) and there are probably more. Can you recommend any?

Extras are pretty expensive at Artemis. Some girl told me we could do anal or CIM for 50 euro per extra. But as I remember, anal should be 100?

I tried to find an apartment girl that would do anal, and while they state it on the websites, they don't do it IRL when I show up.

I have opted for 1 hour sessions, which I think is not the usual thing (I think most men choose 30min sessions?) , but maybe it is only something they do if they are attracted to the guy? Hmm sounds wrong?

One girl told me my penis was to large for anal.

Do you have any recommendations for apartment girls in Berlin (or closer to the Danish border) that does anal?

Thanks

[Velo Berlin]

Hello all,

First post here, longtime lurker.

I have moved from Paris to Berlin back in July 2011 and this forum, along with Angus Mc Gee's blog, has been a goldmine of information. I would like to thank everyone here for their contributions! .

I used to be a regular at the French forum Youppie. Net, where bobo. Fr also posts, and read regularly some German forums such as Poppreport. Com and Lusthaus. My German is not that great in conversation but I can manage and I'm pretty good at comprehension when reading German websites or newspapers. I think having some basic knowledge of German is a big plus in many situations and if you're an expat I highly recommend you get your German up to scratch.

The paid sex scene in Paris is not really favourable to the average punter, especially one on a budget and here in Berlin I feel like a kid in a candy shop! To sums things up you get prettier, younger girls at a much lower price and in a safer environment.

In the last few months I have sampled quite a few places, some brothels and appartments at the «lower-mid» end of the range, namely Freudenhaus Hase, Gina's Tango Rosa and Mona Lisa's Roses.

I have also been to the Erlebniswohnung gangbang place three times so far, quite the experience!

Rather than writing an overly long and bloated post, I'll try to organize my reports as follows, each one in a separate post:

-1. General write-up on Freudenhaus Hase (a place that doesn't get much coverage here I find).

-2. Summary of my three visits to Amelie at Freudenhaus Hase.

-3. Report on my visit to Ela at Freudenhaus Hase.

-4. Summary of my fifteen (!) or so visits to Milena at Freudenhaus Hase.

-5. Report on my visit to Steffi at Gina's Tango Rosa.

-6. Report on my visit to Moni at Mona Lisa's Roses.

-7. Report on my first visit to the Erlebniswohnung.

-8. Report on my second visit to the Erlebniswohnung.

-9. Report on my third visit to the Erlebniswohnung.

I tend to go to the «value for money» places as I often have this problem of coming too fast when the rythm / pace is not VERY slow at the beginning, after that I have no worries and can pump away for long periods. However I have found that many times when I don't know the girl I come way too soon, and I don't want to spend 80 to 120€ to ejaculate after five minutes. On the other hand if I just paid 30€ it's not that big a loss. This is why I haven't tried KD, Montrouge, Liberty, etc. Also in those higher end places asking for the shorter time with no extras doesn't seem to be overly popular with the management or girls. At Hase or some other places it's less of a problem, especially if you are a repeat customer. Anyway I have a limited budget that I try to stick to, about 160€ per month and I'd rather have four fucks at 40€ than a single one at 160€. But that's just me, I can understand some have other budget and / or strategies.

Cheers,

VeLoBerlin

[Velo Berlin]

Hello all,

As promised this is my report on Freudenhaus Hase one of the few brothels in the classical sense in Germany (as opposed to appartment brothels and FKKs wich are a lot more common).

I will only go into generalities here, detailed reports on specific girls will follow.

I recommend you look up their website first at http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de, they have a good availability preview («*Anwesenheit*» at http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/html/anwesenheit.html) giving you the times a girl is present or not on any given day, this also tells you wich girls are on holiday («*Urlaub*»). This calendar is very accurate and it pays to check it often as they will update it regularly, on occasion several times a day. I got caught once by checking the calendar early in the morning to see if a girl was in that afternoon, I went later on only to find out she wasn't present (her shift had ended earlier that day) but when I got back home that evening I noticed the site had been updated since morning. I've learnt my lesson and now ALWAYS check the website just before I take public transport to get there.

The place has an interesting history as there was a few years ago both a theater play and an art exhibition were made inside the brothel. You can visit the German wikipedia site for more info. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudenhaus_Hase They still put on all sorts of cultural events http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/html/kunst_kultur.html.

Freudenhaus Hase is located conveniently close to the S-Bahn station of Humboldthain. To access the brothel from the street you go under a large porch and get to an inside courtyard, there are two staircases*: one on the left hand side and one on the right hand side. I believe there are more girls available in the left hand side building and that sometimes the right hand side building hasn't got the same opening times and is even sometimes closed (Saturdays and Sundays). If you get regular with a girl you'll find out that 95% of the time she's working only in the left building or only in the right building but there are instances where she'll change buildings. No big deal, just ask for the girl and the Hausmutti will tell you to ring on the other side of the courtyard if she's in the other building.

About the apparments / rooms of the girls, I must say I have been extremely impressed on my first two visits, both in the right hand side building, ground floor appartment on the right. For a budget brothel this looked like a luxury room in a four or five star hotel*! Classy restrained decor, four poster bed, very nice bathroom. I've been to Hase numerous times since then and I've seen other rooms, some were good, some were a bit basic, overall quite nice. Some had attached bathrooms, some didn't, some didn't even have a sink, but a separate bathroom at the end of a corridor was available. And you get clean, decent quality towels.

The Hausmuttis (one per staircase) are not the friendliest, they are usually very abrupt (read borderline rude) with me actually, but you get the information you're after so that's the most important thing. Some basic knowledge of the German language is required. It's possible to book a girl for a certain time but only if you book her for at least a 30 minute session. Because I'm always going for the less expensive 20 minute option (some will give me the nickname «*El Cheapo*» soon I know.) I don't have that possibility. I just show up and if a girl is busy I just ask for how long, and it's under 30 minutes I just take a walk in the neighbourhood, have a drink and come back. Sometimes it's one hour or more and I just give up for that day and return another day.

About the girls, I'll write reports on the three I've met, but on the whole they all look both sexy and friendly, some are a bit too tattooed for my taste but I'm sure this will be a turn on for some guys. Agewise they're between their mid-twenties and mid-thirties. The pics on the website at http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/html/modelle.html Look genuine*: although for some girls they must have been photographed some years back there doesn't seem to be excessive usage of Photoshop. I have some difficulty recognizing Milena, my favourite Hase girl at the moment, on the website pics, but I think she looks better in real life so that's not a problem. The extras on offer and their prices will vary from girl to girl, there's no fixed price for extras for the whole brothel, personally I only take Zungenküsse (DFK) and that's a 10 € extra with Milena, she also does anal, oral without and other things but I haven't asked about prices. I imagine anal must cost a premium.

Cheers,

VeLoBerlin

[Nille Copenhagen]

Hej Nille, sorry for asking this, but have you been at Artemis about a week ago?ThanksHej Granthree,

No it wasn't me. Why would the Danish guy be surprised, maybe he was scared that someone recognized him. Quite many Danes visit Artemis.

I like your Berlin / Artemis story, you write just out of the bag and from the heart. I guess you will be back in FKK again, there are many good clubs in NRW (Dusseldorf area) and Hessen (Frankfurt area).

If you like anal at NRW clubs it costs 50€ extra, better value IMO.

Regarding Romanians, first of all I like Romanians, I been with countless Romanians girls, some of them can be a shark and perform less good, but most of them are top nice. I always treat them good and get good service. Sometimes I met sharks, but that can happen with any nationalities.

Romanians has got this bad reputation in general (which I don't think is fair) ,

So some girls would lie and say they are from Spain, Italy, Greece, Moldova, HU.

That makes their chance to get a customer much higher.

See you around.

Keep up your mojo.

NC

[Granthree]

Hey Velo, thanks a lot for your reports. I will check out that place next time I get to Berlin.

It's a bit weird with the two entrances, it's like it's two different places?

[Zero Gravity]

Thanks for good advice and encouragement, Rocketboy0. I must add that I never felt that Ruby was trying to really cheat me. The wires just got crossed pretty badly between us.

I see that she is advertised as "brandneu" on Royal's webpage, so I guess she too is quite inexperienced. I do feel that the session could have been saved, if I just had been a bit more experienced in dealing with these situations. I'll definitely take this as a learning experience.

I did actually visit Artemis already before my visit to Royal. It's certainly true that the place can be quite intimidating for first-time visitors. I visited there on a night when there seemed to be lots of women and very few men. I certainly felt that I was under a constant attack by women who were desperate for customers. I did manage to get one really really good session there, and I will definitely be back. I might write more about my experiences there in Artemis's thread later.

Meanwhile I've visited two more apartment brothels. On Friday I visited Liberty. I had studied the schedules posted on Liberty's website and prepared a list of potential girls I'd like to visit. When I got there around 17:30, I was presented a pretty short parade of maybe 6 girls, and none of the girls on my list were available. This seemed to be a pretty busy time there, because I heard the doorbell a lot during my visit. I chose Justin from Ghana and a 40 minute session. I found it odd that she didn't even ask me about any extras, but she did offer BBBJ for 20 euros when I asked about it.

She is a pretty girl, but I found her too passive for my liking during sex. A couple of times during the session the action just stopped and she asked me what should she do next. I guess I should have directed the action more, but I like it when the girl takes some initiative too. Anyway, she did everything I asked her to do, but the spark was missing.

On Saturday I wanted a break from the high-end places and travelled out to Klix 37. They had a pretty good selection of girls available (about 10). I had a session with Ayla from Turkey (she isn't listed on the website). She is a slim girl with olive skin and thick black hair. I don't see the prices listed on the website, so here's what I was offered: 20 min = 30 EUR. 30 min = 50 EUR, BBBJ = 5 EUR. I chose a 30 min session with BBBJ.

Ayla seemed like a pretty easy-going girl, and I had a pleasant time with her. Not exactly GFE, but in that kind of a place and such a short session I don't think you can really expect a GFE. We started with 69, and then moved to fucking. Her pussy was bit too loose for me (or my dick was bit too small for her.) , so after a while I started losing interest. She refused to move back to BBBJ, but brought things to a satisfying end with a CBJ.

I quite liked Klix 37, and I would definitely consider visiting it again if I spent longer time in Berlin.

[Angus Magee]

Paid a visit to Ekstase on Saturday with slightly disappointing results. First the place is not easy to get to, at least for me. Basically you go to Alexanderplatz then 4 stops out the U5 line into what used to be East Berlin's 'Grand Allee'. The streets out there are wide and the vistas grand but it takes forever to walk anywhere, or so it seems. Anyway, from the UBahn Ekstase is about a 10 minute walk onto a quiet side street.

Frankly the place looks more like a wh*rehouse than a massage parlour. But you are told in, no uncertain terms before anything, that all that is on offer is erotic massage with a hand finish. Whether or not this is strictly true I have no idea but I can imagine that for you to get anything else (BJ or sex) you would have to be a repeat visitor and develop some sort of relationship with the masseuse to find out.

My first impression was that the girl who greeted me was sort of grumpy and seemed annoyed that, first, I did not understand her directions as to where I was supposed to go and, second, that I did not immediately chose her as my masseuse. I asked to meet all the girls and shortly thereafter three stood in front of me. I chose Laura and the two others were quickly dismissed.

http://www.ekstase-massage.de/html/laura1.html

As with any bordello I was struck by the fact that, after Artemis, making such decisions in the few seconds provided is not a very easy task. As I was to find out my choice probably could have been better.

Laura asked (in English-as I was to find out that she spoke no German) me how long I wanted to stay (1 hour) and if I wanted something to drink. She then left, to return shortly with my water, a towel and bath shoes. She then left me to undress and upon her return directed me to the shower. It was all done without much care, with Laura sort of motioning towards the shower as she herself tried to disappear into the girl's waiting area, probably to finish gossiping with the other girls.

After the shower I found my own way back to the room and sat on the sofa and waited. And waited. And waited. It was probably no more than 5 minutes but it seemed a life time, all the time Ol'Angus is wondering if this waiting time is cutting into his massage time?

Upon her eventual return Laura had me lie down on my front and promptly started the massage. As a massage it was not the best I have had. It was also not the worst and to be positive I will say that at least it was not painful, But the girl obviously had no real massage training and had no sense of how deep she could go. So her massage technique consisted of stroking with the occasional use of her thumbs to knead the muscles. At one point I suggested to her that she could go deeper with her thumbs but she did not seem to understand, or maybe just did not want to be bothered.

While this all may seem to add up to a bad experience, it really was not that bad. Just as a massage it was rather insipid. A few minutes working on the back and she oiled up her breasts and started to use them. Somewhat better, this continued until she turned me over and did the front. Her breasts on the front had predictable results and the massage heated up somewhat. My own roaming hands were more or less welcomed until I got to her pussy when she moved away. I queried this and she told me I could only touch her pussy with a latex gloves conveniently located in a box beside the bed. I pulled on a glove, started to explore but soon had the thought-why bother-took off the glove and contented myself with her breasts, haunches and the occasional brush up against her outer pussy lips which was tolerated if not encouraged.

By now the girl had raised little Angus, if not to full staff then at least to a respectable showing and, without further ado, she wanked me off and cleaned up the result. I wondered what next as I was pretty sure that no more than 20 minutes had passed but Laura told me to relax, lie again on my stomach, and proceeded to go through the whole procedure once again. What can I say? It all worked again and while taking a little longer this time, with a little more breast rubbing and titty dangling on little Angus (at my suggestion) we ended the hour more or less on time with another eruption. As I said earlier, I had wondered if the shower / waiting time would cut into my massage time. To the credit of Ekstase, at least for me, the massage was a full hour as paid for (€100).

Over all the whole experience was for me a little disappointing or maybe just underwhelming.

Having most of my massage experience in Berlin at the very excellent tantra studio Kashima I am used to the actual massage being much, much better. My motivation for heading out to a massage parlour instead was that of being able to touch the masseuse, and the girl I chose just seemed less than thrilled with this. Not that she said no, but she had her restrictions. Fair enough, but it was a wee bit of a let down. As I have said before, it seems to me that girls who work in massage places often have this slight attitude that they are not hookers, and thus one takes the risk of restricted service. If there is a next time for me at Ekstase I think I will try to chose one of the girls off the web site who has been a mainstay of the business in the hope that she may be a little more prepared for some serious feel up and finger play. I did spot on my way out Elena, one of the girls who has been longer on the website and found her whole energy to be way more appealing than any of the three girls I was shown at the time of my viewing. Trouble is these girls are often booked in advance so one needs to phone ahead to be sure, and make a booking.

In the end, as I guess is obvious, I left slightly under satisfied yet happy enough as what Laura lacked in pure skill, she did make up for in work ethic. That second pop in the hour can not have been easy for her and I commend her effort.

AM

[Angus Magee]

Hello, all,

First post here, longtime lurker.

Cheers,

VeLoBerlinGood reports Velo. I must say it is good to get some up to date info on these places you mention and plan to report on. The Hase especially is an often over looked resource. For me it is just so damn out of the way but as you mention it is very convenient to an SBahn line. And it is very much the working mans' bordello, both inexpensive and with few airs of pretention.

I will wait until you post all your reports and then put them all in the RofD thread in a single post.

Cheers.

AM

[Deeps]

Hi all,

Continuing with the adventure trip, I paid the visit to Royal, VK and Artemis in last 3 days. Will update my Artemis report in Artemis thread.

Saturday I was planning to go to Artemis but pushed it to Sunday. I think a calm day at Artemis would be a better day for me to start with having things in control (especially the wallet and the dick). So instead, I planned to make a round trip to Royal, VK and KD.

Started in the evening at 5, took the U-Bahn from Birkenstrasse to Bundesplatz. It took around 10-15 min to find the location as I walked towards Detmolder str. A big white building with a restaurant in ground floor. Pushed the buzzer and went in. Went up to the second floor and buzzed the door again. The Hausmuttis took me to a nice room. Damn, the room was gorgeous. Then she arranged the lineup of three girls. Mara, Pina and Susu. All were german with zero english speaking skills however I thought its nice to have at least an experience. So I selected Mara for half an hour session. She was young 18 yrs. I took a quick shower and then got it started. It started with little bit of problem first because it was very difficult to explain what I was expecting and what she was saying. I would like to thank the guy who developed the english to german and german to english dictionary for android phone. I was knowing it was going to help me somewhere. Now our conversation begins word by word translating with each other. Poor thing was, it was only 10 min left in the clock. I suggested to extend the session as I started to enjoy it but she was having an appointment. She asked me that whether I would like to be with her sister which I agreed on. Turned out to be pina was her sister.

I again opted for half an hour session. Mara who was more on teenish side whereas Pina seems to be more mature and calm. I explained her how we can communicate and we got it started. We started with kissing but she seems to be little hesitant on that. We can say it was an lower than an LFK. She then gave me a very nice but not slurpy BBBJ which I enjoyed which followed by some missionary. The best skills she got was on riding. I was started to doubt her calmness when she was riding me as all the calmness was going away from her face and she was getting aggressive. We finished that way. Last 5 min, I always keep to have the conversations so we did that. I came to know that she wants to be a beautician and her sister has recently started it.

After time over, the lady of the house deported me safely to the door. I asked here that do they have english speaking girls too in case I want to come again. She replied that there is one (only?) girl who works occasionally speaks english (May be some other forum member can confirm) and was not there that day.

Royal Experience: Enjoyed but will have to think again if I want to go next.

Leaving Royal, I took S-Bahn to Heidelberger platz to visit VK. This time, it took me around an hour to search for its location and that too when I thought I am not going to find it. I was knowing it was near Anabelle's but wasn't knowing it was inside bauhaus (damn google maps). Rang the buzzer, got inside. The setup doesn't seems to be that big as Royal or Libery (rooms were smaller). This time too, lineup of 3 girls. Melina, Katharina & (some) ina. Didn't interests me. Took exit and walked down to get to KD at Blissestrasse. Actually I had already browsed through KD website for the girls schedule and there seems to be nobody was working on Saturday of my liking. Therefore, I bailed out and instead took the U-Bahn back to hotel to plan for Artemis next day :wink:

BTW, KD is still in my list of todo's.

[Velo Berlin]

My first visit at Freudenhaus Hase was back in late August 2011. I went to the left staircase first and checked out all the girls on the stairwell but none took my fancy, I therefore crossed the yard and went to the right staircase. The girl on the ground floor looked mighty nice but I went further up anyway to see if I could find even better upstairs. I did not and went back to the girl on the ground floor.

She was a tall brunette by the name of Amelie, I found out later she was then new at Hase and only had a small pic on the website at the time. A full set of photos have been added relatively recently, you can see them at*: http://laufhaus-berlin.com/html/amelie.html.

Like I wrote in my general post about Freudenhaus Hase, I was extremely impressed by the large luxurious room and adjacent bathroom*: if that was a budget German brothel, I wondered what the upscale ones looked like! Versailles style palaces perhaps?

Did not know what to expect on my first visit to Hase (my first paid sex in Germany too) and I didn't want to spend too much money so I settled for the basic rate of 30€ for 20 minutes with no extra.

Amelie is a tall brunette with a pretty face and truly beautiful eyes. I would imagine she's in her early twenties. I can only try to describe her awesome body*: everytime I've seen her, I immediately thought of the word «*statuesque*». Flat belly, awesome breasts and one of the most awesome backsides I have ever seen*! Nice pussy lips too if I may say so. She has a vine tattoo crawling up her back and normally it would be a total turnoff for me, but this one is artistic, tastefully done and for some reason I don't mind it much. Otherwise she is articulate, soft spoken and very nice. I think she's quite smart too, with a subdued but slightly wicked sense of humour. I mentioned Amelie was a French name and asked her was she French, but she was adamant her first name was Italian in origin. Has she got Italian roots I wonder. I guess this is a possibility*: her matte skin and dark hair are definitely Mediteranean looking*?

About the sex part, the three meetings I had with her were similar, lots of caresses and kisses on the face, neck and body (her olive coloured skin is flawless, very smooth and smells delicious) , a pleasurable covered blowjob followed by sex, missionary. It was like the ultimate GFE all around but I came way too soon every single time (a recurring problem of mine). That was despite taking a dose of Kamagra oral jelly for one of the meetings. Still I always came away happy, wonderful moments spent with a naked beauty. I don't know how she'd be for more energetic sex though.

Overall a dream girl really but I wasn't up to it, I must try to see her again sometimes when I visit Hase, instead of Milena, my regular lady there by now. I hope she's as candid as she was when she started, haven't visited her since late September last year. I understand from a recent post on a German forum that she might not be on the stairs much and that she would mostly do bookings nowadays. I guess she must extremely popular. I saw her twice in this wonderful room on the ground floor at the right staircase and once in the left hand side building, but I believe she mostly works in the right hand side building*? Not 100% sure though.

Cheers,

VeLo BERLIN.

[Angus Magee]

Hi Deep,

After reading your reports I found myself wondering if you are not making this a whole lot more complicated than it actually is. While having a girl speak a bit of English is nice for post session pillow talk, I never really found it all that necessary to chat that much in the beginning of a session other than being able to say "ein normal session" (with a bit of a German accent) or "Französich Total".20 minutes with the android translator? What were you trying to explain to the young lady?

I realise that you are somewhat inexperienced with all of this but if there is one bit of advise I would give you it is to be a little more definite just about getting your dick in her mouth then pussy. If, after that, you want to chat with the translator go right ahead, but best to get the sex underway first, then worry about getting to know her. Sometimes these girls will, if given the chance, sieze upon the talk to delay and/or lengthen a session in an easy way.

By the way, sisters? Do you think this was true or were they just soul sisters?

AM

[Deeps]

Hi Deep,

After reading your reports I found myself wondering if you are not making this a whole lot more complicated than it actually is. While having a girl speak a bit of English is nice for post session pillow talk, I never really found it all that necessary to chat that much in the beginning of a session other than being able to say "ein normal session" (with a bit of a German accent) or "Französich Total".20 minutes with the android translator? What were you trying to explain to the young lady?

I realise that you are somewhat inexperienced with all of this but if there is one bit of advise I would give you it is to be a little more definite just about getting your dick in her mouth then pussy. If, after that, you want to chat with the translator go right ahead, but best to get the sex underway first, then worry about getting to know her. Sometimes these girls will, if given the chance, sieze upon the talk to delay and / or lengthen a session in an easy way.

By the way, sisters? Do you think this was true or were they just soul sisters?

AMHi Angus,

Yeah, you are correct about that. It was little bit of inexperience which came underway during the Royal session & thanks for the words you suggested. Will keep it in head if I got in the same situation again.

AFAICS, yes they seems to be real sisters.

[CaptRenno]

Paid a visit to Ekstase on Saturday with slightly disappointing results.Angus, first of all, thanks for all your efforts to collect and share information about the many carnal delights of the wonderful city of Berlin. It's invaluable to those of us who can visit only occasionally. We appreciate your efforts enormously.

But I'm a bit puzzled by this report. I'm sure you have good reasons, but I'm curious to know: why do you bother to visit a place like Ekstase? If Berlin did not have Artemis, several famous brothels and a number of tantra massage places with which you're familiar, then maybe this place would sound OK. If it were close to where I live in the USA then it might even seem great. But in Berlin, why even bother with a place that offers mediocre massage and a HJ for 100 Euros.

My guess is that you must grow bored sometimes with all the famous places to which you always have easy access, and you want to follow your male instinct to go on the hunt, to track down some new prey, to discover some hidden gem. Is that the case, or what?

If so, I can sort of understand that. During certain times of my life, I have had access to some excellent, proven, reliable outlets for my own carnal desires. And yet, I could not resist the urge to try out other offerings even when I strongly suspected that they would not measure up to the standards set by my favorites. Usually I was disappointed, but once in awhile I would make a valuable new discovery.

I'd be interested to hear your thinking about the pros and cons of trying a place like Ekstase vs. returning to more familiar haunts.

[Rocketboy0]

But I'm a bit puzzled by this report. I'm sure you have good reasons, but I'm curious to know: why do you bother to visit a place like Ekstase? But in Berlin, why even bother with a place that offers mediocre massage and a HJ for 100 Euros.I'd be interested to hear your thinking about the pros and cons of trying a place like Ekstase vs. returning to more familiar haunts.Well (rather obviously) , to boldly go where no man has gone before played a role. One man´s mediocre can be another man´s magnificent, and seems rather difficult to know before "hand" (get it? :rolleyes: ). And in these financially stressed times, the frugal fucker knows that 100 Eur for services rendered was not a bad deal at all.. But I would not underestimate the surgical glove fetish factor.

[Angus Magee]

Well (rather obviously) , to boldly go where no man has gone before played a role. One man´s mediocre can be another man´s magnificent, and seems rather difficult to know before "hand" (get it? :rolleyes: ). And in these financially stressed times, the frugal fucker knows that 100 Eur for services rendered was not a bad deal at all. But I would not underestimate the surgical glove fetish factor.Well this is part of it. But if you have never had a really top notch erotic massage you are missing something all together. A better question would be why did I not head on over to Kashima where I would be guaranteed a great massage. In one of my sessions there I had to look to check to see if the girl had my dick in her mouth (Kashima does not offer any oral service). Her "hand job" was that good.

Mostly it was because I wanted the feel up factor involved. With these types of places some ladies will let you get more intimate with them than others. I just chose one that was more restrictive and there isn't really a great way to determine this before you hit the mat.

I am also a wee bit tired of the social factor we find in places like Artemis, and to a lesser extent, the bordellos. Those pre session "get to know ya" conversations really do get tired after a while.

AM

[Velo Berlin]

Hello, all,

Second report of the girls I've met at Freudenhaus Hase.

One day I was extra horny and wanted to see Amelie, unfortunately I found out upon arrival that she would be busy for ninety minutes. I should have left then and come back another time but like I say I was just too horny, so I checked out the girls in the stairwell.

I noticed a busty brunette in a negligee, very nice smile, and decided to go with her (hint : do not think with your dick, ever!).

She wasn't overly happy that I went for the basic 20 minutes at 30€ but it was a bit late to back down then.

When she came back with my drink and undressed, I noticed she was quite a bit older than I thought, late thirties at least maybe mid forties even, big breasts, saggy belly, not a top model for sure. .

That said she was relatively friendly and chatty, she said she was from Romania, native of a town called Bac&259; you.

Sex part was forgetable despite a good but short blowjob, I then fucked her missionary for a few minutes before I came.

All in all my worst punting experience at Hase and even in Berlin. That was back in September 2001, Ela was listed on the site then, only to disapear a few weeks later. She was again listed recently but just for a week or so. Not sure if she'll work again at Hase, in any case I wouldn't recommend her.

Cheers,

VeLo BERLIN

[Angus Magee]

All in all my worst punting experience at Hase and even in Berlin. That was back in September 2001, Ela was listed on the site then, only to disapear a few weeks later. She was again listed recently but just for a week or so. Not sure if she'll work again at Hase, in any case I wouldn't recommend her.

Cheers,

VeLo BERLINI am confused. Is Ela a lady you met back in 2001 and then again in the past month?

She was plain bad both times?

AM

[Velo Berlin]

No I just saw her once in 2011, sorry for the typo.


I am confused. Is Ela a lady you met back in 2001 and then again in the past month?

She was plain bad both times?

AM

[Charlie 123]

Those pre session "get to know ya" conversations really do get tired after a while.

AMFFS! You're spending too much time listening to RB. He's managed to corrupt you with his negativity and cynicism towards Artemis and now you're infected too. Now I just need Kimino and Nebula to turn sour and I'll have the whole place to myself.

:-)

C

[Kimino]

Now I just need Kimino and Nebula to turn sour and I'll have the whole place to myself.

CForget about it!

Every time I try to stop.... Ahahaha.

Kimino

[Rocketboy0]

FFS! You're spending too much time listening to RB. He's managed to corrupt you with his negativity and cynicism towards Artemis and now you're infected too. Now I just need Kimino and Nebula to turn sour and I'll have the whole place to myself.:-)CSir Charles, just because I have certain minimal standards, does not mean I am cynical. And as you can see from the A thread, even unjaded newbees agree with recent assessments. In any case, I am working on the others. (I have the same plan as you). But Arts still cannot touch my fav locale for shear beauty, fun, passion, performance, and price as I reconfirmed yesterday. Not even close. As far as Angus / Das Dude goes, he marches to his own drumbeat. I think his favorite conversation setting involves duct tape.

[Velo Berlin]

from late last year, don't think it has been mentioned here yet.

http://www.exberliner.com/articles/my-one-night-job-at-a-berlin-bordello

By the way I highly recommend this magazine to expats living in Berlin, I buy it every month. It's a paper monthly but they seem to put most articles online (except those of the current issue).

Cheers,

VeLo BERLIN

[Angus Magee]

from late last year, don't think it has been mentioned here yet.Thanks for posting this interesting little article. I am thinking that the young lady was talking about La Folie. Small wonder she was dissatisfied as La Folie has really seen its' best days. Maybe she should give Artemis a try....

AM

[Shadow Mission]

I will go to Berlin in may with my girlfriend.

A great kink for us is to visit sexclubs with prostitutes. But what we heard it's difficult to go as o couple to for example Artemis.

Do you know any sexclubs / bordells that welcome couples?

[Angus Magee]

I will go to Berlin in may with my girlfriend.

A great kink for us is to visit sexclubs with prostitutes. But what we heard it's difficult to go as o couple to for example Artemis.

Do you know any sexclubs / bordells that welcome couples?You could try Insomnia or the recently reviewed Erlebniswohnung.

http://www.insomnia-berlin.de/

http://www.erlebniswohnung.com/de/

Erlebniswohung has its' own thread somewhere on here. Maybe in the partyfreff thread?

AM

[Velo Berlin]

I will go to Berlin in may with my girlfriend.

A great kink for us is to visit sexclubs with prostitutes. But what we heard it's difficult to go as o couple to for example Artemis.

Do you know any sexclubs / bordells that welcome couples?I second the motion about Erlebniswohnung. If you decide to go there please let us now which day!

http://www.erlebniswohnung.com/en/

Here is their contact form : http://www.erlebniswohnung.com/en/kontakt.html

There is a thread about the Erlebniswohnung here :

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3290-Erlebniswohnung-GangBang-Club-Berlin

Cheers,

VeLo BERLIN

[Eddy Berlin]

The last and only time I was at KD was in 2008 because I've usually tried to get a good screw on the cheap. As time goes by this strategy seems to be yielding ever increasingly disappointing results for me, so I've decided to throw a bit more money at the problem to see if it will go away. I turned up at KD in the morning and was greeted by an attractive mature lady with long grey hair (maybe she's the boss?). There were 3 girls in the parade and my gut feeling was to give it a miss. So I left and decided to turn up again in the early evening. This turned out to be a good decision because then there were 6 or 7 girls free. The one who significantly stood out from the rest in terms of apparent keenness to be picked was Paloma http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/paloma.htm. She had the sort of looks I like, I. E. Petite and dark, so the choice was obvious. I indicated to her that I wanted a 30 min session but would extend to an hour if we got on. So off I went to take a shower. I am the type of guy who doesn't care much for chatting and prolonged foreplay in a pay sex situation, since this is what you should have a girlfriend for, and usually like to get my tongue up her pussy and butt hole without delay. Paloma had a hairy pussy, which was a welcome tasty change for me. She was wetting very nicely indeed and I was soon humping away, pounding her hard from behind and in the missionary. I had no hesitation in extending to the full hour and finished by unloading over her breasts, as she massaged my balls. On reading other reports about her after the session, it seems that she also kisses, which wasn't the case with me. I did once try to move my mouth slowly in that direction but she evaded me, I. E. No less than the dreaded head turn in its full gory details, as another user here once named this GFE-destroying phenomenon. Nevertheless, she is a good performer and you can't help liking her, even if she doesn't like kissing ugly middle-aged gits, her wetting was genuine and she looked me in the eye, so I came away feeling more than satisfied. I wonder why I go to cheap bordellos when there are places like KD, well in the past it's usually because I didn't want to spend so much cash, the cost outweighing the benefit. Looking back at my mongering experiences, which are by no means numerous, being about 60 or 70, I have estimated that overall about 35 percent of them have made me really happy and about 25 percent have been horrible confidence destroying defeats, the remaining 40 percent were sort of average, I. E. Average in the sense that it was better than DIY but not a lot, and whether it was worth spending the money is questionable. Despite all of this I wouldn't rule out going to a sordid sex cinema one day and getting a nice and sleazy hand job from a slutty temptress. The nearest I was to something of this sort was jerking myself off in a moment of hormone induced weakness in a video cabin on a hot Summer morning in one of Berlin's numerous sex stores about 15 years ago. I always wondered why there seemed to be a guy with a mop hanging around in those places!

[Shadow Mission]

You could try Insomnia or the recently reviewed Erlebniswohnung.

http://www.insomnia-berlin.de/

http://www.erlebniswohnung.com/de/

Erlebniswohung has its' own thread somewhere on here. Maybe in the partyfreff thread?

AMThanks for the reply!

I think the Erlebniswohnung is the best choice.

I have heard both good things, but also bad things about Insomnia.

I read your review of King George. What do you think of going there with her?

[Angus Magee]

read your review of King George. What do you think of going there with her?I am not sure that the KG would be a great place to take your girl. From the reports I have read Erlebinswhohnung at least has girls who have some degree of experience in "swinging" or group scenes. While no doubt the girls at the KG would do a threesome, I doubt they would show much enthusiasm for it. The KG girls, as Charlie123 noted in his report, are basically not very professional. That is they are young-ish Rpmanian girls who have come to Berlin to work. Thus they carry some pretty conservative views despite what they do for a living. The EW girls, from the looks of things, know a little bit more what's what in the scene.

But hey, you could always give it a try and report back.

AM

[Shadow Mission]

I am not sure that the KG would be a great place to take your girl. From the reports I have read Erlebinswhohnung at least has girls who have some degree of experience in "swinging" or group scenes. While no doubt the girls at the KG would do a threesome, I doubt they would show much enthusiasm for it. The KG girls, as Charlie123 noted in his report, are basically not very professional. That is they are young-ish Rpmanian girls who have come to Berlin to work. Thus they carry some pretty conservative views despite what they do for a living. The EW girls, from the looks of things, know a little bit more what's what in the scene.

But hey, you could always give it a try and report back.

AMMy idea was not to have threesome at KG. The idea is to be in that enviroment and observe the action.

The problem is if the girls see my girlfriend as a threat and starts to be unfriendly.

Say that some other men join us at a table and the girls thinks she's taking the mens attention.

What do you think?

[Velo Berlin]

My idea was not to have threesome at KG. The idea is to be in that enviroment and observe the action.

The problem is if the girls see my girlfriend as a threat and starts to be unfriendly.

Say that some other men join us at a table and the girls thinks she's taking the mens attention.

What do you think?I don't think your first question was entirely clear. Some people, myself included thought your girlfriend would participate in the sex somewhat? Maybe we're too perverted LOL.

At Erlebniswohnung the women coming with their partners / husbands have sex with the men in attendance (and sometimes with the husband / partner as well but most of the time they seem to be watching only).

If you just want to look and not interact sexually with other people Insomnia would be more appropriate I would think.

Never been to Insomnia but this is the impression I get reading some reviews on various forums.

If you want to see more action, maybe pick one of Insomnia's gang bang parties?

Cheers,

VeLo Berlin

[Angus Magee]

My idea was not to have threesome at KG. The idea is to be in that enviroment and observe the action.

The problem is if the girls see my girlfriend as a threat and starts to be unfriendly.

Say that some other men join us at a table and the girls thinks she's taking the mens attention.

What do you think?Well at the KG there is no action outside the rooms except for girls dancing and flirting with the customers. If that is the sort of action you want to see then give it a try. I doubt the girls would see anyone as competition as they go to the room with which ever customer picks them and are not getting their income from convincing men to the room. I mean maybe if your girl starts taking on all comers it might upset them a bit.

I still think Erlebniswhonumg might just be a better atmosphere for this though.

AM

[Shadow Mission]

Well at the KG there is no action outside the rooms except for girls dancing and flirting with the customers. If that is the sort of action you want to see then give it a try. I doubt the girls would see anyone as competition as they go to the room with which ever customer picks them and are not getting their income from convincing men to the room. I mean maybe if your girl starts taking on all comers it might upset them a bit.

I still think Erlebniswhonumg might just be a better atmosphere for this though.

AMThanks again,

Erlebniswohnung is already on the "To do list". I see KG as another possibility.

[Rocketboy0]

My idea was not to have threesome at KG. The idea is to be in that enviroment and observe the action. The problem is if the girls see my girlfriend as a threat and starts to be unfriendly. Say that some other men join us at a table and the girls thinks she's taking the mens attention. What do you think?Having never been to any of these venues, what I will say is pure guesswork (as in I have no fucking clue really ). Just consider this: both ELW and KG are vaguely slightly downmarket, and the action is pretty much in your face, certainly at ELW, as they are small venues. All of that might be appealing, I have no idea what rings both your bells. Insomnia is vaguely more upmarket, and you could seemingly distance yourselves or join in as the mood suits. Insomnia is not the only option as well. There is the Kit Kat Klub, Avarus, Berghain, probably others. All these vary from night to night. Another option might well be to just ring up one of the better bordellos such as Kamilla Dee, Royal, Mon Rouge (that might be a good choice at night as there is actually a bar you can hang in) and ask if you can bring your partner along. Venues probably a lot nicer, less awkward situations, but also less buzz and you must decide what to do after a few minutes of show and tell. You can always just leave, after just viewing the parade of poonettes, and it would cost nothing. It really depends how directly and deeply (no pun intended) you both want and are prepared to go, together, or with one watching, etc. Don't need to know that here. You both can just ponder it.

[ZimmerBaby]

Shadow Mission.

If observation and "learning the trade" is on the schedule, and if I was going to bring my girlfriend, I would definitely go for Insomnia. How to say this; it offers a more "wife friendly" environment. Infrastructure, the comfort, distance to action, several rooms, the food being served on the second floor with possibility to make a distance to the action. Imagine watching a war-movie vs being in Syria in real time.

EW offers intimacy, while Insomnia offers options and more elegance, maybe a bit colder atmosphere.

I also think the price structure at Insomnia is made to secure the recruitment of girls. Couple pay less than single mongers.

[De Traveller]

www.myescortberlin.com. Bad, bad, bad experience.

My Escort Berlin escort agency are perhaps the cheapest in Berlin if not the whole Germany considering that at the time of writing they are providing full personal (outcall) escort service (even including OWO as they claim) for only €90. But please, please, please don't get tempted by the price as you get what you paid for. No. You get much less than you paid for. You get a different girl that doesn't perform half of the advertised services, doesn't speak English and has a huge eastern-European chip on her shoulder. The girl was so bad, in fact, that I had to ask her to leave half way through the session. Attempted to complain to the agency, but they wouldn't talk to me and hang up once they heard my voice. And all this despite me being very pleasant, polite and tactfully with the agency and the girl throughout this ordeal.

My sincere request to whoever reads this post. Please don't fall victim to greed and make the same mistake I made today. Avoid www.myescortberlin.com As a plague

[Angus Magee]

My sincere request to whoever reads this post. Please don't fall victim to greed and make the same mistake I made today. Avoid.

www.myescortberlin.com

As a plagueSorry for your experience. Too bad that you did not read first my blog where I warn against this agency, or rather the conglomerate of websites (they constantly change urls but not the girls, they only give them new names) of which this site is part. It is not that you can never get a good experience from them, but you really do take your chances. If the experience goes badly wrong, as yours did, the agency does not give a rat's ass. They work on quantity, not the quality of their reputation. Simply put, there are always, or aways seem to be, many punters who call them. You even get reports on the Berlin boards where you think they would know better.

By the way, you can always turn a girl away if the wrong one shows. Though this is not always that easy to do without a bit of a scene, something most mongers really want to avoid. Also, even late at night the Artemis crowd is always available. A bit pricier but in the long run a much better experience.

AM

[Deeps]

Just posting the update over my experience of Berlin escort scene (the session with girls, will post later).

I have did 2 escorts with KD and 1 with Royal so far. Both are renown club over here. Both take care of girls and as well of customer.

With KD, my bookings were completely done over the email with Kira. A nice lady which promptly replies you and is always ready to provide you best service. The cost of escort is 200 euro for an hour. She will ask your Hotel, room no, when you are checking in and when you want to see the girl. Once you are in the hotel, you have to make a confirmation call on their escort number that you are in. The girl will arrive in the hotel, you can pick up if your hotel require keycard (my does) or she can also come directly to the room.

With Royal, it is similar to KD but a bit pricey. They will also charge you 30 euro travel costs of girl in addition to 200 euro fees for an hour. They will also ask you for the hotel number on which they will make the call to your room to confirm you are there then just for security reasons. You have to book girl on the phone or in personal at the club (I did at the club). Not sure if they do so through emails as well.

After going through I have felt that, KD has quite a lot of experience in escort department too whereas on Royal, I don't think they get too many requests for escorting. Why I say this is because when I called Royal for the confirmation, their first question was are your plans changed? Duh!

I would like to say that if you want a escort session, call the girl which you know via reviews here or via personal visits and that will get you some very good session privately. I also think that the cost of escort is like regular session + all extras (of course based on girl) because there is no negotiation there.

[Eddy Berlin]

I tried Royal the other day but it did not turn out so well. I chose the aged 30 something Magdelena and initially agreed to 30 minutes for 80 Euro. I first took a shower and then we started but as I tried to lick her pussy she manoevered her pelvis so that I could only reach the upper regions and, as I suspected, when I tried to use my fingers to stimulate her, she quickly rebuffed me. I asked why not and she said it costs extra, like 20 or 30 Euros. I could start to sense that she wasn't really comfortable with me and naturally I began to lose interest and suggested to her that I would like to break the session off. She seemed a bit surprised at this and told me that nobody ever does that, and started to try to get me talking, which I know is a tactic used to waste time but I insisted that she call in the hausmutti straight away. However, they didn't oblige to give me a partial refund, claiming that I had been there for 25 minutes. Maybe 25 minutes if you include the waiting and shower at the beginning but I was only on the bed with the girl for 10 minutes at the most. Actually it was the hausmutti's attitude that got me furious and I don't really blame the girl so much, since I think she was inexperienced anyway. The hausmutti argued I hadn't given a good enough reason why I wanted to break off. By the way, I was still naked and holding my condom as I debated with the hausmutti. I've never actually gone through with aborting a session before, and have always grinned and beared it when I've made a bad choice. However, it seems like you can't win. How they would have dealt with something like this at Kamilla Dee, I don't know, though I suspect a bit differently.

A royal rip off!

[Eddy Berlin]

www.myescortberlin.com

Bad, bad, bad experience.They seem to survive so their business model must work, that is, do alot of advertising to catch out Berlin tourists and newbies, and treat their girls and customers bad.

[Shadow Mission]

In my eternal search for escortsgirls I found an agency called http://www.escort77.de/Escort_Berlin.html

Is it a agency with good reputation?

[Angus Magee]

The hausmutti argued I hadn't given a good enough reason why I wanted to break off. By the way, I was still naked and holding my condom as I debated with the hausmutti. I've never actually gone through with aborting a session before, and have always grinned and beared it when I've made a bad choice. However, it seems like you can't win!I don't think there is anything that you could have done differently. If the Hausmutti starts to argue with you and take the girl's side, all is lost. It sounds like one of those cases where the girl should have stayed home for the day or something. It has happened to all of us and is an unfortunate part of the hobby.

Truth is, as I am sure that you know, being charged for DATY is almost unheard of in Berlin. If a girl suggests it warning bells always do go off for me. If she simply says no, she does not care for it, that I can understand. But to try to turn it into an extra is inexcusable.

AM

[Holidayfun]

Not to much info from me lately, first mongering trip of 2012 from 13-17 in Berlin, staying in hotel in Kudam,

Been to berlin several times and really like it, but can someone please tell where to meet up with hobby huren to take back to hotel, any bars our clubs?

Europa Center Dublin bar is a nice place and I scored there last time, nice girl from Latvia, drunk as hell and into my game of champagne drinking while riding, hope to make it this time also.

Thanks for info on how to make this the best trip ever, reports to come after the trip.

[Rocketboy0]

Been to berlin several times and really like it, but can someone please tell where to meet up with hobby huren to take back to hotel, any bars our clubs?

Well there is the notorious but perhaps overrated Cafe Psst,
There are scores of hobby ho`s here: http://www.berlinintim.de/member/Kontakte/Privatmodelle.php,
You can hit the top discos as in Watergate, Berghain, or look up various top bar websites.
You could ring up Kamilla Dee or van Kampen, or other bordells or escort services and order take out.
But if you found a willing Lat in a basically non-descript Irish pub, well, perhaps any where would work, KaDeWe food section on the 6th? Floor, slick hotels in Mitte, the Aral gas station on Ulandstrasse and Blisstrasse. Who knows. Seek and ye shall find, maybe.

[Dalate]

My 2 cents. Tried caligula and king george several times.

Caligula: lot of choice, young girls, all from romania, crowded place, dark small rooms, no option to shower. Pay 100Euros and fuck any number of girls.

Kind george: same concept. Clean rooms with shower option. Less choice of girls.


Just posting the update over my experience of Berlin escort scene (the session with girls, will post later).

I have did 2 escorts with KD and 1 with Royal so far. Both are renown club over here. Both take care of girls and as well of customer.

With KD, my bookings were completely done over the email with Kira. A nice lady which promptly replies you and is always ready to provide you best service. The cost of escort is 200 euro for an hour. She will ask your Hotel, room no, when you are checking in and when you want to see the girl. Once you are in the hotel, you have to make a confirmation call on their escort number that you are in. The girl will arrive in the hotel, you can pick up if your hotel require keycard (my does) or she can also come directly to the room.

With Royal, it is similar to KD but a bit pricey. They will also charge you 30 euro travel costs of girl in addition to 200 euro fees for an hour. They will also ask you for the hotel number on which they will make the call to your room to confirm you are there then just for security reasons. You have to book girl on the phone or in personal at the club (I did at the club). Not sure if they do so through emails as well.

After going through I have felt that, KD has quite a lot of experience in escort department too whereas on Royal, I don't think they get too many requests for escorting. Why I say this is because when I called Royal for the confirmation, their first question was are your plans changed? Duh!

I would like to say that if you want a escort session, call the girl which you know via reviews here or via personal visits and that will get you some very good session privately. I also think that the cost of escort is like regular session + all extras (of course based on girl) because there is no negotiation there.

[Member #4626]

Friday I was at Berlin and wanted to try Lucia. Called the place to make sure she was at premises. The lady on the phone couldn't speak English so she called another lady (probably one of working girls). She told me that Lucia is present and will be at work until 4pm. She also asked me if I wanted to book a time and if so for how long. Although I didn't planned to book a time, I said yes and for half an hour. I arrived at the agreed time and showed to a room. I said in my limited German that I had an appointment with Lucia. After short waiting time Lucia came in and was puzzled when she saw me. She asked me again if it was her I booked time with and if we have met before? I answered that we havn't met each other and I have seen her pictures on the internet. Her English was as bad as my German but we could communicate with of languages. We agreed on 40 min with anal, BBBJ and kissing. Her zungekussen turned out to be only zungen then kussen. Every time I wanted to kiss she stick her thong down my throat. Except this part every thing else was top notch. She has the perfect breasts. After the deed we talked for about 20 minutes more. When I came out it was more then an hour I had spend at that place. Recommanded if you doesn't care about kissing and you can speak some german.

[Bobby Jones]

Anyone tried out Lissy at harmoniemassagen recently?

Thinking of visiting on my next trip.

[Mass Monger]

This report is several months old. I went to my first gang bang at King George (KG). It was QUITE an experience.

It lasts from 11:00 AM to 3:00 PM (Mon, Wed and Fri). They advertised 3 girls but had only two. But the two they had were Klaudia (from Austria. Very famous on the forum) and Petronella from Rumania. These in my opinion are the 2 best girls at KG. I had a great time. They were both very friendly, and I did each one of them DATY, BBBJ, and FK two times with each girl. In between sessions I watched 3 or 4 other guys do the same while sipping a beer. I am sure that I made both Klaudia and Petronella come during at least one of our sessions. (I am not easily fooled.) They were both very friendly to me and to all the others. I think that they really like men and, as advertised, are true nymphos. (They have done this for several years and are still not 'hard').

I was the only male left at about 2:15PM and was invited to Join Petronella and Klaudia at the front bar in our towels (I speak German quite fluently which helped). I had another drink and a half and talked extensively to Klaudia. I massaged her toes and feet for an extended period of time, and we had a very good friendly time. Finally at about 2:45 PM, I said goodby and got dressed. I saw Klaudia in the hall on the way out and gave her a nice kiss and called her my Schatzchen. She thought that was nice. Petronella was nearby and asked if she also was my Schatzchen. I said 'of course' and gave her a nice long hug and kiss. What fantastic attitudes they both had.

Mass Monger (a monger from Massachusetts)

[Alberigo]

Hi all,

First of all: thanks to most of you who have extensively and contantly updated this forum with extremely interesting descriptions of the Berlin sex scene. It has been so interesting to me to understand the dynamics, type of clubs, pricing models and market approach of some of the clubs of this wonderful city.

I pick up girls quite regularly in bars and clubs but for some reasons very rarely it happens that you find a girl that has a true passion for sex, most of the ones are "average" which means not bad but not amazing either, I was thinking about a swinger club since in those sets you should find girls that are truly sex lovers in opposition of standard bars where girls do not (always) only look just for an healthy fuck or brothels where girls offer you sex for money.

I was wondering if there is a thread already on swinger clubs and in general how that works as I found very little on that and I am interested in exploring that scene as well?

Look forward to your reply!

A.

[Velo Berlin]

Hi all,

It's a bit hard to compile a review of the 15 times ot so I have seen Milena in about six months but I'll do my best. I must say I haven't seen here very recently though, having spent too much money with Erlebniswohnung lately. My last visit to her was in late March 2012 or thereabouts.

After my not entirely satisfactory meetings with Amelie and Eva, I liked Freudenhaus Hase location, rooms and price structure well enough but, I was looking for a girl that would be suit me better. A name came up frequently in my research of various German, English and French language forums*: that of Milena, who seemed to draw unanimous praise. I decided to give her a try.

Milena turned out to be a very sexy Bulgarian brunette, beautiful face and eyes, dark mid-long hair and a womanly body with a great pair of tits. I would describe her as voluptuous but in a good way, not overweight or even pleasingly plump as the term would perhaps suggest to some. The old photos on the website did not really do her justice, to be frank I hardly recognized her but new photos have been uploaded on the Freudenhaus Hase site very recently (http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/html/milena.html) and give you a much better idea of how she looks. I would «*guesstimate*» her age to be between late twenties and mid thirties.

I took the 20 minutes option with French kissing (Zugenküsse) for 40€ (30€ +10€). I'm not normally a guy who goes for extras, but I love kissing and had read in several reviews that she was a great kisser. Turned out to be true so every meeting after that was the same pricewise.

At out first meeting she put me at ease straight away and when I mentioned my problem of often coming too soon she said don't worry we'll take it slow and easy. After a good blowjob I actually lasted in her pussy quite a while*: success*! Every meeting it was getting better and better and I never needed to take some medical boost, Kamagra Oral Jelly is my emergency drug of choice but no need of it with Milena. Generally our meetings begin with kissing, stroking, caressing, moving on to blowjob, sometimes 69 and sex in various positions. I usually start with missionary, then doggy and missionary again.

Now after so much positive comments what are the negative would you ask? Well there aren't any negatives for me but some other punters might not like Milena for some reason. First off she's a smoker, I actually like smoke flavoured kisses a lot so this is rather a plus for me, but it would be a turnoff to others. She rinses her mouth and sucks a mint before the meeting so the smoke flavour is faint but it's there. Second if you're looking for a powdered beauty who smells like a baby after a bath, she's not the girl for you. She doesn't smell bad, just with energetic sex there can be a wiff of slightly acrid sweat that's all. All very natural and sexy if you ask me, but again some may not like it. Lastly she's not 18 year old bimbo without an inch of body fat, if you don't like your prostitutes to be womanly (Germans would say weiblich I think) don't bother*! Another thing but not Milena's fault, some rooms don't have a sink or bathrooom so you have to wash in a separate bathroom / laundry room.

Otherwise great GFE every time, and highly recommended.

VeLo BERLIN

[Angus Magee]

Look forward to your reply!

A.I can not personally recommend as I am not really into that scene but this place is said to be one of the better Swingers Clubs.

http://www.swingeroase-zwiespalt.de/

As I say never been there so I don't know how it works but I think you can get in as a single man paying a bit more.

Or you could try Erlebniswohnung. There has been much written about it on its; own thread over in the partytref section of the forum.

AM

[Jock180]

Hi been lurking on here for a while looking for info, I am heading to berlin at the end of the month for a few days sightseeing on route to a music festival, will arrive Saturday afternoon and leave Thursday morning, I am planning on indulging a bit have little bit of experience of RLD in netherlands but thats it. What liked about the RLD is that I was under no pressure and could browse around before committing myself also like the outfits a lot of the girls wear. I think I would feel under too much pressure with the bordello line up situation. Mainly go for the natural look and would prefer places where kissing is normal.

Other worries are being ripped off or getting a poor service because I am a tourist and speaking very little german, can say please thanks and order beer food / beer. I am also vegetarian so not sure if any of the clubs where you spend an extended time would feasible if nothing to eat, will feel out of my depth enough without turning up with a pack lunch.

Anyway looked at Caligula / king george which maybe relaxed but going by the websites very few of the girls look like my thing so feel I would end up disappointed, think freudenhaus hase, maybe closest to being to wander round and see whats available and like celina, anna, christina and alicia. Like a few of the girls on erlebniswohnung website especially veronica, elina also never been anywhere like that so may be a bit too much. Think artemis may a bit expensive although the choice on the site does look great and feel I may like the lingerie idea on a Wednesday although I get the impression its not a popular day. From looking at some of the bordellos was taken by tiffanys website loads of info on the girls all seems friendly and may build up the courage to give it a try. Liked a few girls on the site emille, tina, zoe and anna, but really taken with shakira.

So planning on maybe Saturday night going to FH, Monday EB, Tuesday tiffany if shakira is working and artemis on the Wednesday.

Sorry about the ramble but any opinions if this sounds a decent plan or pointers on the girls I mentioned or similar girls to look out for at artemis I would really appreciate it.

[Granthree]

Hi Jock180.

I was in the same situation as you, earlier this year.

I visited Tiffany first, and it's a good place. I spent an hour with Charlyn and she was perfect! Really sweet, fantastic body, cute face. Not so good at english, but she was better than I am at German.

I then visited Salon pankow a couple of times. Sweet girls and the price is not bad, but it's all the way out in Pankow, but it's not any worse than Artemis. And the walk from the station to the place is about the same.

Unfortunately I only visited Artemis on my last day. If I had went there earlier and had more days left in Berlin, I would have visited Artemis again. The atmosphere is relaxed and it's easier to spend an hour getting used to the place, than going to a normal brothel and then walk in, and have 5 minutes to chose a girl and then go to a room.

I would say, visit Artemis in the beginning, then you can always return.

I found it easy to find girls I wanted, on a lazy Sunday. When I left there was even one girl I'd want to try but didn't have the money for (both my creditcards were down due to maintanance on the computer-servers in my home country. Damn. But it was also at 04:00 in the night, and I have had three girls that day so. It didn't matter that much.)

[Rocketboy0]

Hi been lurking on here for a while looking for info, I am heading to berlin at the end of the month for a few days sightseeing.

So planning on maybe Saturday night going to FH, Monday EB, Tuesday tiffany if shakira is working and artemis on the Wednesday.J180-knowing nothing about your state of mind, and tastes, very difficult to actually give good advice. My idea of natural (a sheep) might be different from yours, etc.

But reading between the lines here, I think turning up at Artemis sort of mid Sat afternoon and taking it slow til whenever you want to leave might be the safest bet. There will be salads and some cooked vegs around after 6pm so avoiding edible flesh should not be a problem. It won´t be good veg cooking but you certainly won't starve. But all the other options you mention require a bit of game, and some moderate knowledge of German useful. EW (you have to be into gang bangs and sharing the goods with lots of other guys in real time) , FH really mostly locals' thing-has a very different vibe than the NL RLD scene, and Tiffany's can be a bit standoffish, though the girls are fine. Royal, Liberty, Kamilla la Dee, and van Kampen (slightly more expensive than the others) would all be better bordell choices and you can get by in English. But at all these places, who is actually on and available when you are is hit and miss, and you do have to do a fair bit of running around the city. Exploring can be fun of course, but it not the same as have massive numbers of choices in front of you, naked, for hours, and you do have to decide fairly quickly.

So for a non-German speaker, Artemis a good choice. No pressure, you can relax for hours, wandering about, and size up the scene. You can chat with girls for as long as you both want before deciding, you can walk away, you have the pool and sauna to relax. Ease into it late afternoon-it will be relaxing with maybe 10 guys and 15-20 girls, expanding to + 50 girls at night. Surely the naturals you seek will be amongst the ample choices. You can observe other guests and see who they head off with, and ask them how the session was. Most guys and girls there speak English, and it is quite the Berlin scene.

Yes potentially 80 Eur (minus whatever value you put on unlimited soft drinks, food, and the wellness facilities) down the drain if you cannot find a choice but the odds of that happening are in your case just about 0. Of course, you can make a poor choice anywhere, but at least at Artemis, you can regroup quickly and find another. But when you compare say a half hour session elsewhere with equivalent extras (100-120 Eur) , the minimum 140 at Artemis (80 entrance plus 60 for a 30 min session) is not a bad deal, when you throw in all the other relaxing and food bits. If you go for 2-3 sessions over 10 hours, the pricing vs bordells becomes more compelling. Some would argue that Caligula, King George, or EW are cheaper. They are of course (on all levels), but it is really not a fair comparison of mellons with mellons, and from what I have seen and heard, while there may well be diamonds in the rough at all these places, the odds are stacked against you, in your situation.

Sat will be a good day, possibly better (more choices) than dessous day Wed. You can get your bearings on the whole deal and then decided Mon re other options. Sunday will be quieter, everywhere, though Artemis can surprise even then, as a recent trip with Count Kamino showed me.

The trick in Artemis is just take it slow, take your time to talk with candidates, don't rush into anything. Just say no when you don't want to, feel the vibes, watch body language and feel some connection or wait for another. Be clear on what you both expect before you finally zimmer it (head up to the room). Not a big deal really and you clearly have some mongering experience so you´ll keep a grip on. The ISG Artemis thread here, Angus Magee's epic blog have anything and everything you would ever need to know if you take the time to do your homework. I think actually I have written all this already several times on the Arts thread-word for word for newbies who just don´t read through it.

Good luck whatever you decide, and we look forward to your expedition reports back.

[Bobby Cph]

Hi been lurking on here for a while looking for info (…) any opinions if this sounds a decent plan or pointers on the girls I mentioned or similar girls to look out for at artemis I would really appreciate it.If you like it at Artemis or not. It is all a matter of temperament. I'm not really good at saying no to naked women so the FKK concept is a scary thought for me. So I have never tried it.

When I'm in Berlin I usually go to Kamilla la Dee because the level of service is very high and I really like the suspense of the line up situation. The price is also high but that does not matter when the girls usually delivers great sex. Quite a few of the girls there kiss by sympathy. So if you are well shaved and take a shower you can have a great GFE there. English language is almost allways possible.

[Nille Copenhagen]

I'm not really good at saying no to naked women so the FKK concept is a scary thought for me. So I have never tried it.You should try!

You will be surrounded by naked women at Artemis, but after a while you get used to it and can control yourself.

Bring enough money to take 1-2 sessions as appetizer and then relax and enjoy the atmosphere. 1-2 sessions as dinner and then take the final 1-2 sessions as dessert before leaving.

Of course this would cost more than a single session at KD ect.

[Il Duca]

In the past you guys have given me some really good advice and I am hope for it again. I will be in Berlin the first few days of June, maybe a week. I will have limited time to go and sit around at a FKK club and I am tired of the spin the wheel of fortune at places like Royal and Kamilla.

I am look for a sure fire recommendation for an outcall lady or two who will provide all the GFE services and maybe a little more.

I would hope this could be obtained for 150. 200 Euro an hour.

I understand the clubs are cheaper and I have tried several, my schedule just not allow for me waiting around for the right lady to appear and then negotiations. I need a sure thing that will show up at my hotel on time, deliver the goods and go.

Recommendations are extremely welcomed.

Thanks.

[Jock180]

Thanks for the help.

By natural I meant I dislike huge implants and not really interested in the blonde pornstar look, more into cute / cheeky.

Travelling from 2-3 am arriving around 4 so may be a bit tired to go to artemis on the Saturday, although that include 4 hours in frankfurt airport so maybe grab some sleep there. May try a Sunday not sure I could budget to two days, possible I give the bordellos a miss.

Will def try EW for the experience.

Think the relaxing side of artemis will suit and bobby I am actually looking forward to sitting in artemis and telling a beautiful girl thanks but no thanks.

[Angus Magee]

I need a sure thing that will show up at my hotel on time, deliver the goods and go.No such thing as a sure thing in my opinion. The 'ho game always has a degree of uncertainty attached to it as we are talking about, hopefully, good honest sex and things can come undone by a variety of factors.

As I see it you have the option of using a higher end service such as Kamilla Dee's escort service or a reasonably reputable lower end one. For all things KD do a search for the reports by Bobo. Fr here on the Berlin thread. His posts will tell you all about the process of arranging a meet and also have some recommendations.

The most reputable lower end agency is K&Z.

http://www.klein-zierlich.de/

Again search for Charlie 123's reports on the various girls as he has seem most of them and written comprehensive reports.

AM

[Rocketboy0]

No such thing as a sure thing in my opinion. The 'ho game always has a degree of uncertainty attached to it as we are talking about, hopefully, good honest sex and things can come undone by a variety of factors. AMIndeed. Il D all you can do is increase the odds, as how can any of us possibly predict your tastes and chemistry with another?

I think by far, the odds are better at Artemis (certainly Thurs-Sat) where you have more choices, you have the critical pre-show interview to gauge attraction both ways, and you actually might save a lot of money, time and hassle. If you knew some call girl, and knew they were actually on and available when you wanted, and you could trust all links in the chain of command, sure take out is an option. But in your case, it will be a roll of the dice.

On the time front - after 8pm, Artemis will be at full strength. Even with comings and goings you will know the options within 1 hr. Then another to work your wicked ways. So what is lost vs a hotel, a little travel time, a little sitting around sizing up options, for which in return, you gain a huge increase in chances you´ll find someone with whom you click (or several). Throw in some food, and a sauna and swim- seems like a no brainer.

One day you can explain the subtle concept of "GFE & more". Perhaps this includes tax accountancy?

[Demecius]

Hey,

I've heard that Berlin's RLD district is pretty bad. I liked what I saw in Frankfurt, but my next trip will only bring me there for 4 or 5 hour stopovers, so I won't get a chance to go back.

Is there anything similar to a RLD (in that you can go somewhere and view many girls, chose one THEN pay)? FKKs seem too time consuming and I don't want to spend an evening at a place like that. A poster here described a place called "Freudenhaus Hase" that sounded a lot like a mini-RLD. Are there more places like that? None of the pics on that site (except Amelie, who doesn't seem to have left) appeal to me. Would like to check out some others'.

Thanks,

D

[Angus Magee]

Hey,

I've heard that Berlin's RLD district is pretty bad. I liked what I saw in Frankfurt, but my next trip will only bring me there for 4 or 5 hour stopovers, so I won't get a chance to go back.

Is there anything similar to a RLD (in that you can go somewhere and view many girls, chose one THEN pay)? FKKs seem too time consuming and I don't want to spend an evening at a place like that. A poster here described a place called "Freudenhaus Hase" that sounded a lot like a mini-RLD. Are there more places like that? None of the pics on that site (except Amelie, who doesn't seem to have left) appeal to me. Would like to check out some others'.

Thanks,

DSorry, no RLD / Laufhaus in Berlin other than what you already note. The best bet for viewing the ladies before you buy is Artemis. But as that is too much bother you will have to make do with what there is.

AM

[Peetera]

Hello,

I read through the posts in the last year.)

As a pretty clear answer is not found, then I decided to ask smarter.

My English is not 100% accurate. I am sorry about that.

I will be in Berlin on June 18-20 and I plan to visit the Artemis, but.

I must be back to the center of City every day at 17:00. Artemis, should leave no later than 16:00.

Here is the question.

Does it make good idea go to Artemis from 12:00 to 16:00? Is this time choice of lady's significantly worse?

Is there a difference to do it on Monday Tuesday or Wednesday?

Or in this case is more appropriate to examine, KD, Royal or-Van Kampen.

Would prefer more slender young ladies. Bodies like fashion models.

Thank you in advance for the help in decision making.

[Peetera]

Hello,

I read through the posts in the last year.)

As a pretty clear answer is not found, then I decided to ask smarter.

My English is not 100% accurate. I am sorry about that.

I will be in Berlin on June 18-20 and I plan to visit the Artemis, but.

I must be back to the center of City every day at 17:00. Artemis, should leave no later than 16:00.

Here is the question.

Does it make good idea go to Artemis from 12:00 to 16:00? Is this time choice of lady's significantly worse?

Is there a difference to do it on Monday Tuesday or Wednesday?

Or in this case is more appropriate to examine, KD, Royal or-Van Kampen.

Would prefer more slender young ladies. Bodies like fashion models.

Thank you in advance for the help in decision making.

[Nille Copenhagen]

here is the question.

does it make good idea go to artemis from 12:00 to 16:00? is this time choice of lady's significantly worse?hi,

it's not the best time to visit artemis, because there will be more ladies in the evening.

but i'm sure you will find someone you like even when you start early.

expect monday to be a slow day, wednesday the ladies are not fully nude.

nille

[Il Duca]

The most reputable lower end agency is K&Z.

http://www.klein-zierlich.de/

Angus:

Thanks for your advise. I searched but don't find reviews for any ladies from this agency. Do reviews exist?

[Angus Magee]

The most reputable lower end agency is K&Z.

http://www.klein-zierlich.de/

Angus:

Thanks for your advise. I searched but don't find reviews for any ladies from this agency. Do reviews exist?Well Unless they have been deleted for some reason (very unlikely) Charlie 123 has reviewed just about every girl past and present from this agency.

Do you know how to do an advanced search?

Just a couple

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1252252#post1252252
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1179059#post1179059

BTW-At the moment the agency is on vacation. I am not sure when they will be up and running again but it should not be too long-end of May?

AM

[Rocketboy0]

i must be back to the center of city every day at 17:00. artemis, should leave no later than 16:00.

does it make good idea go to artemis from 12:00 to 16:00? is this time choice of lady's significantly worse? is there a difference to do it on monday tuesday or wednesday?

or in this case is more appropriate to examine, kd, royal or-van kampen. would prefer more slender young ladies. bodies like fashion models.mon-tues day shifts will be slow at artemis, wed maybe a little better. difficult to say who will be on in advance, but probably only about 10 or so girls. they will be mostly young and thin. whether they are attractive is really a taste thing and impossible really to say. day times are slower and choices fewer but you can get lucky. but surely choices are more and better at night - markets rule.

but playing the odds, i would say mon-tues, look at the royal (probably 1st choice) and kd websites, but call ahead and ask who is actually there and available during your free hours, from amongst those that seem attractive to you, and then decide. it will be hit and miss, and of course, the better girls may have their local lunch steady favorites so your options might actually be reduced to 1330-1600. that´s why you need to telephone first. ritter/tiffany´s is a big place, closer to the center which also might be an option.

wed daytime, artemis might be worth a shot. certainly worth seeing one time. be aware of 2 things:

on a bicycle (which you can rent, and take on the trains), or even just by u / s bahn, royal, kd and van k about 5-10 minutes apart. on the s-bahn, artemis would be another 10 min away.

also, artemis allows you to come and go and return later for no extra cost, as long as you sign out at the front desk. so in theory you could go there, see what is happening, leave, check out 1-2 other options (salon prestige also close by) and still return. you could also return much later at night if you can get or sneak away from your evening duties. duct tape could be a help with that, just leave breathing holes.

[Hossi36]

I will be in Berlin soon and want to ask if anyone can recommend me a nice girl who likes to be submissive?

[Bobo.fr]

I will be in Berlin soon and want to ask if anyone can recommend me a nice girl who likes to be submissive?Did you have a look at :

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/bizarre_games/see_all.htm

[Angus Magee]

I will be in Berlin soon and want to ask if anyone can recommend me a nice girl who likes to be submissive?You might also check out Liberty for such services. I have heard Bianca's name mentioned favorable as a sub.

http://www.libertyberlin.de/sklavia-bianca.html

AM

[Il Duca]

Is it possible to find bareback sex in Berlin?

Links? Ladies?

Thanks.

[Angus Magee]

Is it possible to find bareback sex in Berlin?

Links? Ladies?

Thanks.AO is available but no place is it really guaranteed. If one is into such risky mongering one really has to go out and look for it. Most of the lower end EE escort agencies have girls that do it but do not generally advertise as such. Personally I would not bother as is it really worth the risk? If you feel it is then I would check out the AO (bareback) section of the forum and travel to where it is offered. As a more or less responsible monger I do not like to spread info that is mostly unreliable and encourages unsafe sexual practice.

A<

[Il Duca]

AO is available but no place is it really guaranteed. If one is into such risky mongering one really has to go out and look for it. Most of the lower end EE escort agencies have girls that do it but do not generally advertise as such. Personally I would not bother as is it really worth the risk? If you feel it is then I would check out the AO (bareback) section of the forum and travel to where it is offered. As a more or less responsible monger I do not like to spread info that is mostly unreliable and encourages unsafe sexual practice.

A<Thanks for the help. There is more than one reason for seeking such information.

1) Where to find it.

2) Where not to go that this service might had been offered previously and one wants to avoid.

[Geryon]

Ever since the STD scare at Artemis, I've been nervous. I'm in Berlin for the week, but I haven't figured out where to go. Does anyone have opinions on the safest and best bordell in Berlin? I'm looking for a place that regularly checks the girls for STDs and practices covered everything. I'm guessing KD (but I had bad luck the last time I went). And I know Artemis used to test the girls, but that doesn't seem to be the case if people are walking away with infections.

[Hossi36]

I will be in Berlin soon and want to ask if anyone can recommend me a nice girl who likes to be submissive?Thanks to Bobo and Angus.

Any more suggestions? In fact I like more the freelancing girls and not the agencies or the apartments.

[Il Duca]

Any info on a Swedish lady called LoraGora?

[Rocketboy0]

Ever since the STD scare at Artemis, I've been nervous. I'm in Berlin for the week, but I haven't figured out where to go. Does anyone have opinions on the safest and best bordell in Berlin? I'm looking for a place that regularly checks the girls for STDs and practices covered everything. I'm guessing KD (but I had bad luck the last time I went). And I know Artemis used to test the girls, but that doesn't seem to be the case if people are walking away with infections.Wow. You have been nervous for almost an entire year? That might even be dangerous in itself.

First, this so called scare at Artemis was very very dubious. I actually followed this up privately and there is no hard, reliable, 3rd party verified evidence about what actually happened, and how. But repeating a story does not make it true. I have my doubts it ever happened, but surely we will never know. So "people walking away with infections" is to put it mildly, inaccurate. (People are walking in with infections, people are walking out with them-that is life). Whether these were actually exchanged during a session-very difficult to sort out.

Second. "safe" is obviously a continuum. The safest sex is no sex, or perhaps sex with a fresh juicy mellon from a bio store. Anything else means probabilities. If you don't kiss, don't do bareback blowjobs, don't lick, and wear condoms, well, that is pretty safe. So each little relaxation of those rules, mean, ah er, it is less safe (though a lot more fun). Now in the real world, all the better bordells in Berlin are pretty safe and clean. Artemis does have a doctor on hand and there are inspections of all on a regular basis. How regular. Who knows? You can be sure the German authorities keep an eye on this, and Artemis tries, given the numbers involved.. And some STDs aka THE BIG ONE can take 3 months to show up so timing is everything. The private flats make different inspection claims and they seem much safer than the streets. But in truth, none of us can possibly know. You just have to size up the situation, feel the trust and hygene factors, and make that existential choice. You can also be sure that whatever some establishment says, in the middle of things between 2 people with unknown histories, rules get bent, condoms break etc. So, you just make your choices. Some of you other mongers, especially of medical doctor persuasions (you know who you are) can please weigh in here. While your mileage may vary, there is such a staggering quantity of fucking going on in Berlin it has to be fairly safe, otherwise the city would be dead by now.

The best bordello in Berlin. Really no such thing. Girls come and go. But the big 7 covered at length on the Forum can all have good days and bad days, depending upon your taste, mood, and chemistry with your partner, and just the schedules that day. It is kind of an absurd question.

[Sucker17]

Wow. You have been nervous for almost an entire year? That might even be dangerous in itself.

First, this so called scare at Artemis was very very dubious. I actually followed this up privately and there is no hard, reliable. 3rd party verified evidence about what actually happened, and how. But repeating a story does not make it true. I have my doubts it ever happened, but surely we will never know.I don't mean to rip open a "wound" but what was this STD scare in Artemis all about? (uhmm....starting to get nervous before my trip next week!)

Geryon: I am BTW no doctor, but I happen to have one who's been working with prostitutes before. I asked him lots of questions about STDs and his answers were not really assuring. While getting a BBBJ is less risky for the man than for the woman (more dangerous for the active part, than for the receiver) and vice versa when you lick a girls pussy. There are still risks involved if you happen to have wounds / sore of some kind, and the girl has some blood from her mouth (ie. Just after brushing teeth or using a floss). According to my Doc, you are almost 98% sure to not receive a STD if you always use a condom, with BJ and intercourse, and never do DATY. As Rocketboy just pointed out, there is no 100% guarantee in this business. They can test the girls everyday, and still there is a factor not mentionned: the customers! What if the "clean" girl gets infected by some of the many punters during her day, and she'll pass the infection to you. And even at Artemis, you still have the choice to aks for a covered BJ if you feel unsure, most girls will actually prefer this.

[Rocketboy0]

I don't mean to rip open a "wound" but what was this STD scare in Artemis all about? (uhmm. Starting to get nervous before my trip next week!)

Geryon: I am BTW no doctor, but I happen to have one who's been working with prostitutes before. I asked him lots of questions about STDs and his answers were not really assuring. While getting a BBBJ is less risky for the man than for the woman (more dangerous for the active part, than for the receiver) and vice versa when you lick a girls pussy. There are still risks involved if you happen to have wounds / sore of some kind, and the girl has some blood from her mouth (ie. Just after brushing teeth or using a floss). According to my Doc, you are almost 98% sure to not receive a STD if you always use a condom, with BJ and intercourse, and never do DATY. As Rocketboy just pointed out, there is no 100% guarantee in this business. They can test the girls everyday, and still there is a factor not mentionned: the customers! What if the "clean" girl gets infected by some of the many punters during her day, and she'll pass the infection to you. And even at Artemis, you still have the choice to aks for a covered BJ if you feel unsure, most girls will actually prefer this.There was a guy last year who said he "got" some "infection" from a girl at Artemis. He was "sure" of it. The Forum chatter went ballisto, but the story does not check out in any credible fashion. Dude had prior pre Artemis problems, he spent months trying to identify what it was and never really did, it was in any case a minor thing sorted with anti bs, and the whole thing was / is just very dubious. Artemis does watch these kind of things quite carefully and there is a doctor there just about every day inspecting all that nakedness (tough job but someone's got to.) on a regular basis like once every 2 weeks or so. I know on some occasions they have not allowed a girl who was ill to work (cold vs more serious things) and they clearly try to stay on top of what is (pardon the pun) a very fluid situation. But it is surely no sure thing for reasons Sucker17 described. He (and this scare story) also raise quite correctly the issue of how we mongers also have responsibilities in the game.

[Belvaros]

Sorry to hijack the thread but I used to go BB all the time with girls in Berlin, Madrid, Hungary, Africa, Asia etc. In 2007 I was with a girl in Budapest (Jasmine) and wrote a report on getting very sick after several sessions with her. I was terrified for years cause I got a lump in my groin and had a whooping type cough for the better of 6 months. Luckily, there is nothing wrong with me but after living in USA for 2 decades on and off I was told that almost all USA women have HPV (Papiloma Virus) and that going DATY can lead to throat cancer in men (unprotected no mouth-dam type DATY). Also, with the prepoderence of anal, CIM, BBBJ in Artemis and other places you can assume if you are kissing a girl that allows CIM and anal that at some stage she has had some one else's cock in her ass, then same cock in her mouth and puss. I never had any problems at FKK (to the best of my knowledge) but I now feel it is almost safer to go for "less regular" working girls. And, HIV for instance, can be contracted by one dirty sexual event, so regardless if women are tested even on a monthly basis (after sex with 100+ men) , there is extreme risk in high turnover situations.

At an FKK, I had one WG tell me she had been with an average of 5-8 guys a day for 3 weeks. 1 week off then again for months. Only needs a 0. 1% chance (1 in a 1000) of a HIV / STD carrier to slip through in a 6 month period and we can all get infected. My 2 cents worth.

I am now in Colombia and the amount of ignorance here with regards to STD's is frightening. In my time in Morocco, Tunisia, GHANA and Saudi Arabia, no-one seemed to be concerned with STD's which are everywhere in certain areas (Accra for instance is endemic) and diseases like Hep B are very easy to catch from the wrong girl.

Please stay safe why'all!

[SwingerLover]

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At an FKK, I had one WG tell me she had been with an average of 5-8 guys a day for 3 weeks. 1 week off then again for months. Only needs a 0. 1% chance (1 in a 1000) of a HIV / STD carrier to slip through in a 6 month period and we can all get infected. My 2 cents worth.

I am now in Colombia and the amount of ignorance here with regards to STD's is frightening. In my time in Morocco, Tunisia, GHANA and Saudi Arabia, no-one seemed to be concerned with STD's which are everywhere in certain areas (Accra for instance is endemic) and diseases like Hep B are very easy to catch from the wrong girl.

Please stay safe why'all!When I read your report, I got the impression that you think the whole world would be disease ridden. Well, I had gotten an STD from rubber-fucking once. Bareback fucking however gives healthy joy and happiness. I fucked over a hundred women bareback until now, no problems there. So please stop spreading hysteria over a subject where it is unnecessary! If you want to worry about something, then worry about our crappy politicians wanting to turn the EU into an EUSSR. Or the Fed taking over the USA completely. Or being struck by lightning. All more likely to happen than getting an STD from bareback fucking in Western Europe!

[Angus Magee]

Please stay safe why'all!All very interesting yet I am not sure what you are trying to say other than P4P carries some risk, and FKK girls fuck a lot of men, which I am sure all of us know.

Just a suggestion-there is a safe sex thread that this sort of stuff would suit better. This is the Berlin thread and unless it specifically references Berlin, it is out of place.

AM

[Krappenfest]

Short Report in hopes of getting the forum in the right direction:

King George: 49 Euro for 1 hour. 4 girls working at 5pm on a weekday. Went to a room with an OK looking Romanian where I was offered BBBJ, but chose covered. Sex doggystyle was only allowed. Went back to club floor and had 3 beers (free) and watched the girls dance. Talked with an overweight Bulgarian who spoke good english and was offered to go to the room again but I didn't want to go with her, despite how nice she was. One spanish girl was good looking but wasn't interested in me. Final opinion was King George is good to drink the free beer and have non-GFE sex with mid to low range girls. I'd go again, it was a good time.

Club Deluxe: Strip club with rooms. I did not trust this place and felt a scam coming on. I had 1 beer for 10 euro and then was pressured to buy a girl a 200 euro glass of wine, then pressured to buy a 25 euro lady drink. I made a quick exit from the club when the stripper approached from from the stage and gave me a lap dance for no reason. I thought they were going to charge me for the lap dance so I quickly finished my beer and acted like I was going to the bathroom but bailed out instead. The bouncer wasn't at the door so I exited and walked down the street swiftly, looked back and saw the bouncer standing outside the club glaring at me. Girls were not that good looking.

Apropos / La Dolce: It's the same place. Apropos is a strip club but when the doorbell rings the girls all get up and walk over to La Dolce. Beer was 5 euro, girls will somewhat pressure for a 15 euro drink but you can buy them beer instead and they will sit with you. 7 girls working, most were good looking. I believe it's 35 euro for 20 minutes, but I didn't partake. I just wanted to drink beer and watch the girls dance. I had a good time here.

Club Elfen: 50 euro for 30 minutes. I've heard bad reports so I wanted to check this place out because I live nearby. The entry way is sketchy, but the place seems decently run and sort of clean. I chose a skinny Bulgarian girl and had a good time, everything covered, multiple positions, and non-GFE. The line-up was full of mid-range girls and they seemed nice.

Club Sternchen: Oh man, don't go here. Once again, I had to see just how bad it was, and it was bad. The area is sketchy and dark. I used my cellphone as a torch to get up the stairwell. Once inside the Hausmutti was rude and ordered me to a room with a chair. The line up comes in and none of the girls were good. I don't speak German that well, and the Hausmutti ordered me to select a girl. I told her "Nein Danke, kein interessant". She again demands for me to select a girl. Then she began insulting (in German) me in front of the girls and they all laughed with her. I motioned to leave and she made me pass the girls on the way out, they all gave me dirty looks and said things which I don't understand. When I got out to the street I said to myself,"The joke's on them, because I'm actually able to leave this place!"

Anybody know a good bordell with older women? In the 40 years old range?

[Wanking]

I've been reading back thru the forum and also reading http://www.berlinintim.de/member/Event/Kalender-0-1.html

Ok we have plenty of reports on http://www.erlebniswohnung.com/en/ And some reports on http://insomnia-berlin.de/

But what about these other places that advertise gangbangs:

http://www.anni-porsche.de/party-termine.html

http://www.carena-girls.de/

http://zwiespalt-berlin.de/events.htm

http://www.berlinpleasure.com/aktuell.html

http://www.fabriklounge.com/#/events


Any info??

[Angus Magee]

http://www.anni-porsche.de/party-termine.htmlI am pretty sure there is a report of this place somewhere in the forum not too far back. In fact a search turned up this.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1222741&viewfull=1#post1222741


http://www.carena-girls.de/This place always looked good to me but has generally pretty shoddy reviews from the Germans. I think youwill be pestered for champagne well before seeing any pussy. In fact some of those girls have been on there for the past 8 years always remaining the same age and looking exactly the same. Never a good sign. For small clubs I would think you has a much better chance of success here.

http://www.club-59.de/gallery.php



http://zwiespalt-berlin.de/events.htmIseeu told me that ths place was pretty good, though that was at least three years back and things could have changed.

AM

[Angus Magee]

SClub Sternchen: Oh man, don't go here. Once again, I had to see just how bad it was, and it was bad. The area is sketchy and dark. I used my cellphone as a torch to get up the stairwell. Once inside the Hausmutti was rude and ordered me to a room with a chair. The line up comes in and none of the girls were good. I don't speak German that well, and the Hausmutti ordered me to select a girl. I told her "Nein Danke, kein interessant". She again demands for me to select a girl. Then she began insulting (in German) me in front of the girls and they all laughed with her. I motioned to leave and she made me pass the girls on the way out, they all gave me dirty looks and said things which I don't understand. When I got out to the street I said to myself,"The joke's on them, because I'm actually able to leave this place!"I have not been here for some time and agree with your assessment. The place is a wot (waste of time). I do remember one good session there but the others were a disaster. What amazes me is just how bad the girls look when you consider the web site where they look quite good.

AM

[Peetera]

How to understand hour in bordell?

If to go for about one hour for example, at what point will this hour start, and when it is over.

Is there differences in different places?

The same question about Artemis. Is there fundamental differences?

[Granthree]

how to understand hour in bordell?

if to go for about one hour for example, at what point will this hour start, and when it is over.

is there differences in different places?

the same question about artemis. is there fundamental differences?i think most of the places will honor the time. at artemis some girls had wrist-watches that they took off and placed in tables in the room. checked the time and set the face of the watch so it could be seen from the bed.

i've gotten the time i payed for all places, bordellos and artemis etc.

only one time was fast, but we started out with a bj and kissing in the cinema, and we went to a room where i came within 5-10 minutes and then it was over. payed for half and hour, and i think that maybe the time in the cinema was included but i really don't care, i got what i wanted. great service.

[Angus Magee]

how to understand hour in bordell?

if to go for about one hour for example, at what point will this hour start, and when it is over.

is there differences in different places?

the same question about artemis. is there fundamental differences?in the better bordellos i find that the time starts after your shower when the girl joins you in the room and things get under way. for hour sessions the girls tend to be a bit less clock watch-why than shorter 20 min or half hour sessions. it is only when you get to the low end sleazy places that the session will just more or less end as soon as you cum no matter how long you have paid for, at that point you can insist on your time no doubt, but who wants to hang out in a room with a slightly sullen girl waiting for the time to run down?

at artemis i have also generally gotten the time paid for. in the end it is up to you to manage the time well and chose girls who will not rush you through to the finish.

am

[Nille Copenhagen]

how to understand hour in bordell?

if to go for about one hour for example, at what point will this hour start, and when it is over.

is there differences in different places?

the same question about artemis. is there fundamental differences?hi,

yes different girls might interpret the time differently.

i normally have my watch on and i had a look at it when we enter the room (the clock starts counting).

in some rare cases i sync my watch with the girls so we agree on the time. if you bring your watch with you the girls know

you know the time and would likely not cheat you. in many cases i got more time than i pay for.

in some places when you cum then it's over.

i've never been cheated at artemis.

[Sucker17]

Bareback fucking however gives healthy joy and happiness. I fucked over a hundred women bareback until now, no problems there.SL, not everybody has the same kamikaze / Russian roulette approach to sex as you do! Either you are just plain lucky or acting completely stupid, but I won't teach you how to live your life, so you shouldn't critizise people who don't share your death wish. And how can you be sure you got an STD from rubber-fucking? You most likely was contaminated with the STD before fucking with rubber.

[Markus29]

Hi,

I'm new in this city and I'm actually student, I'm looking for some cheap brothels for quicky one, like 20 minutes one.

Please suggest me the good places where girls are quit good and good services.)

[SwingerLover]

SL, not everybody has the same kamikaze / Russian roulette approach to sex as you do! Either you are just plain lucky or acting completely stupid, but I won't teach you how to live your life, so you shouldn't critizise people who don't share your death wish. And how can you be sure you got an STD from rubber-fucking? You most likely was contaminated with the STD before fucking with rubber.Take a big step back and please have a good look on how brainwashed you actually are, considering the unnatural rubber-fucking as the normal thing!

Would you like to call the women I fucked and the hundreds of guys I shared them with all stupid too? Let me tell you what is stupid: Falling for the rubber-propaganda and STD-hysteria while at the same time not giving a rat's ass about more common threats which cause way more deaths than bareback sex. Like being struck by lightning for instance. Or dying in a traffic accident. Or eating salads, considering the 53 EHEC-fatalities in Germany last year. Funny that I hear no propaganda which calls for not eating salads anymore or only use armoured cars when driving. I usually spent three to five hours in the car on the way to and from bareback sex parties, I do not spend nearly as much time with my dick inside some pussy or ass! So where lies the greater risk?

Then there's Gangbang-Natascha. She does bareback fuck orgies for years, might even be decades by now, worldwide and by the dozens. No problems known, she's sill alive and well and propably being gangbanged somewhere right now. I myself witnessed her last year being bareback gangfucked by around 70 guys in a porn theatre. No STD-tests even asked for; just come, fuck and creampie that pussy! And I didn't join that action, I was just there to watch that day. Because I was too exhausted to participate from a Swingerclub party the day before. So if Natascha has no problems and is even doing this worldwide, then the risk in Germany is as good as zero. And a big portion of the parties I do (Spermagames, BBK) require an HIV-test in order to take part.

So what's Russian roulette / Kamikaze / death wish got to do with that? You could insinuate this towards Natascha too. You would propably get a good laugh out of her. She does not only do bareback orgies, she actually refuses any guy who approaches her with a condom!

As for my criticizing the rubber-fuckers: I can do the same thing you do! And I'm not inclined to let the rubber-propaganda and STD-hysteria go on uncommented anymore! So you can expect replies like this one every time I read something about the so-called risks of bareback sex!

As for my gonorrhea I got from rubber-fucking: I'm absolutely sure about that, because at that point around 16 years ago I had never fucked without rubbers at all. At that time I too had fallen prey to the rubber-propaganda!

So if you want to go on playing with rubbers, be my guest. I'm going to keep fucking instead, enjoying the feel of the pussies around my dick and fucking the already creampied holes until they look like splattered with whipped cream!

[Angus Magee]

Hi,

I'm new in this city and I'm actually student, I'm looking for some cheap brothels for quicky one, like 20 minutes one.

Please suggest me the good places where girls are quit good and good services.) I would say the least expensive I know of is Starlight. Though there is not the greatest selection of ladies if you find one you like the price can not be beat. And it is in a nice neighbourhood, close and central.

http://www.starlight-modelle.de/index.php

Freudenhaus Hase is also pretty inexpensive but you will have to travel a wee bit to get there.

http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/html/modelle.html

There are a number of reviews in the forum.

You might also check out my blog for the lower end bordellos.

http://www.angusmagee.com/

Lots of info there if you dig a bit.

AM

NB-I just checked out Starlight's website and it seems that they have raised their price by €5 for the cheapest sessions (and all round). So it is not quite as cheap as it once was but still it is a good price especially when you consider the location.

[Brian131]

I'll be in Berlin next month. I had heard that Berlin was good for sex kinos. Any suggestions? What I really want is to get a BJ while watching porn.

[Wanking]

I am currently creating a Berlin Flat Rate clubs and Street girls map. I am doing this to help plan my upcoming trip in 5 weeks. I am not adding traditional Brothels or FKKs because they don't interest me.

http://g.co/maps/c3yr7

[Angus Magee]

I am currently creating a Berlin Flat Rate clubs and Street girls map. I am doing this to help plan my upcoming trip in 5 weeks. I am not adding traditional Brothels or FKKs because they don't interest me.

http://g.co/maps/c3yr7Hi WK,

You can also ad the Bahnhofsstrich to you map, the area just to the north of the Hauptbahnhof Heiderstrasse / Sellerstrasse. This is a pretty low rent track I hear but has some fans on the German boards.

http://g.co/maps/rgsgg

Another place you might like as it is a flat rate (and you can walk from Schönefeld Airport) is Airport Muschi. It is in the location of the now defunct Pussy Club that got into trouble with the tax people and ended in prison.

http://www.airport-muschis.de/home/

AM

[Angus Magee]

I'll be in Berlin next month. I had heard that Berlin was good for sex kinos. Any suggestions? What I really want is to get a BJ while watching porn.Head to Artemis. It will cost more but you will likely get a way better BJ from a much better looking girl.

If you do insist on slumming it though you can try one of these places.

http://www.kino-friesen3.de/

http://doxyspotting.com/paolas-kino/

Or this, a slightly nicer address http://www.sexkino-berlin.de/

AM

[Wanking]

Hi WK,

You can also ad the Bahnhofsstrich to you map, the area just to the north of the Hauptbahnhof Heiderstrasse / Sellerstrasse. This is a pretty low rent track I hear but has some fans on the German boards.

http://g.co/maps/rgsgg

Another place you might like as it is a flat rate (and you can walk from Schönefeld Airport) is Airport Muschi. It is in the location of the now defunct Pussy Club that got into trouble with the tax people and ended in prison.

http://www.airport-muschis.de/home/

AMAngus you are a star!

BTW can you or anyone else recommend a decent cheap hotel near to Bülowstraße so I can perv regularly at the SW's.

€40-50 per night, Free Wifi, included brekkie. 24 hour reception.

[Angus Magee]

So if you want to go on playing with rubbers, be my guest. I'm going to keep fucking instead, enjoying the feel of the pussies around my dick and fucking the already creampied holes until they look like splattered with whipped cream!Have fun but please, take it easy here. Nobody is saying you can not do it the way you like. But on a forum such as this there will always be people who criticise you for BBFS. Is it really worth getting so worked up? Sounds like you feel a bit put upon by us...rubber fuckers. You could always start a support group.

;)

AM

[Delta Indigo]

When I read your report, I got the impression that you think the whole world would be disease ridden. Well, I had gotten an STD from rubber-fucking once. Bareback fucking however gives healthy joy and happiness. I fucked over a hundred women bareback until now, no problems there. So please stop spreading hysteria over a subject where it is unnecessary! If you want to worry about something, then worry about our crappy politicians wanting to turn the EU into an EUSSR. Or the Fed taking over the USA completely. Or being struck by lightning. All more likely to happen than getting an STD from bareback fucking in Western Europe!The risk of some STDS are exaggerated quite a bit, but it is still there. I am comfortable with BBBJ but not anything else. In fact the risk of HIV from BBFS is 1/1000 per unprotected act according to the Wiki, the reason the risk is much higher in certain parts of the world is the prevalance of other STDS are common which lead to open sores and cuts and so on.

Nevertheless I think you have been lucky, I had one condom break in 7 years, but it can happen.

If the risk is not there, how do you explain all the people in the world, and we are talking about tens of millions, infected with HIV?

Do what you like, but I think it is unwise to pretend that there isn't a risk.

[Wanking]

Have fun but please, take it easy here. Nobody is saying you can not do it the way you like. But on a forum such as this there will always be people who criticise you for BBFS. Is it really worth getting so worked up? Sounds like you feel a bit put upon by us. Rubber fuckers. You could always start a support group.

AMSwingerlover I got to agree with Angus, its not worth getting worked up when someone criticizes BBFS. As you know I also love BBFS, but I also accept that plenty are against it, and I just let them have their little occasional flames and ignore them. You know up to a couple of years ago you would get flamed instantly if you mentioned AO on this forum, so we have come along way from then with our own dedicated AO threads.

Anyway SW as I have said before, you are keeping the AO threads alive and those of us into AO really appreciate your efforts.

[Markus29]

Hi Angus, Thank you for your guidance, I'll try to visit Freudenhaus because on the website there are more girls and hopefully they will have few of those.

I'll check your blog also and will catch you if possible. Thank you again, I really appreciate your reply.


I would say the least expensive I know of is Starlight. Though there is not the greatest selection of ladies if you find one you like the price can not be beat. And it is in a nice neighbourhood, close and central.

http://www.starlight-modelle.de/index.php

Freudenhaus Hase is also pretty inexpensive but you will have to travel a wee bit to get there.

http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/html/modelle.html

There are a number of reviews in the forum.

You might also check out my blog for the lower end bordellos.

http://www.angusmagee.com/

Lots of info there if you dig a bit.

AM.

NB-I just checked out Starlight's website and it seems that they have raised their price by €5 for the cheapest sessions (and all round). So it is not quite as cheap as it once was but still it is a good price especially when you consider the location.

[Demecius]

Trying to get a grasp on the services offered at the bordellos, particularly kd and liberty. Read angus' guide, but would like to confirm a few things.

1) GFE isn't included in the base price at either establishment, correct? Kissing etc. Is extra.

2) With the exception of offering some bb services, is liberty otherwise as careful re: STD testing as kd?

This one is a bit subjective, but I'll ask anyway. Are there some girls kd / liberty that are as hot as the hottest in armedius?

Thanks

[Rocketboy0]

Trying to get a grasp on the services offered at the bordellos, particularly kd and liberty. Read angus' guide, but would like to confirm a few things.

1) GFE isn't included in the base price at either establishment, correct? Kissing etc. Is extra.

2) With the exception of offering some bb services, is liberty otherwise as careful re: STD testing as kd?

This one is a bit subjective, but I'll ask anyway. Are there some girls kd / liberty that are as hot as the hottest in armedius?

Thanks1) Extra at Liberty,"included" at KD, BUT girl has to decide for herself that you are worthy. Natural, with the flow, the way it should be.

2) Discussed recently, RTFF. There is no way to know.

3) Checked your ref but only found this http://armedius.deviantart.com/

If you mean Artemis, yes. But question is a little absurd and you answered it yourself. Completely subjective and if there is no chemistry, the hottest girl will just go through the motions. Up to you to be attractive and charming.

[Akula72]

Hi!

Going to Berlin for first weekend in June and have beer browsing different sites to find info. Have spotted those flat rate clubs earlier and there seems to be three of those in Berlin but have few questions about them.

About attitude of girls in those clubs. There was recent report where someone stated that most girls actively ignored him. Is this common? Are they still willing to have sex if asked directly? Can they refuse? But guess performance would be lousy.

Is beer there also watered down?

How about tipping someone stated that tipping before room would be best option if one wants better service but is that true? How much? And what if I want BBBJ?

[Brian131]

Head to Artemis. It will cost more but you will likely get a way better BJ from a much better looking girl.

If you do insist on slumming it though you can try one of these places.

http://www.kino-friesen3.de/

http://doxyspotting.com/paolas-kino/

Or this, a slightly nicer address.

http://www.sexkino-berlin.de/

AMThanks! I will probably go to Artemis as well, but there is an evening that I have full and I thought this might be a fun afternoon experience. I need to see what other FKKs are in Berlin. On the Oase / Palace debate, I'm the Oase type. I don't know if Artemis is the best place for me. I will probably try a few FKKs in the Koln and Dusseldorf area as well.

[SwingerLover]

The risk of some STDS are exaggerated quite a bit, but it is still there. I am comfortable with BBBJ but not anything else. In fact the risk of HIV from BBFS is 1/1000 per unprotected act according to the Wiki, the reason the risk is much higher in certain parts of the world is the prevalance of other STDS are common which lead to open sores and cuts and so on.

Nevertheless I think you have been lucky, I had one condom break in 7 years, but it can happen.

If the risk is not there, how do you explain all the people in the world, and we are talking about tens of millions, infected with HIV?

Do what you like, but I think it is unwise to pretend that there isn't a risk.I'm not saying that there's no risk at all ever. But you need to put things into perspective. Blowing the risks up out of proportion while at the same time completely ignoring other more common and dangerous hazards and then repremanding other people about their sexlife is what puts me off. Not people who rubberfuck in general (those only if they do it at an AO-Party) since I've done it for years myself. So not to worry, Angus.

As for condoms breaking, I had that happen a total of three times too, so where's the protection there?

And Wanking, you're welcome, and you're propably right not to get too worked up about that. But since the STD-hysteria-propaganda is repeated constantly, it's necessary to repeat the other perspective constantly too. Those who want to use rubbers, be my guest. Those who want to live their lives in fear of everyting under the sun the propaganda media presents to the world in order to create widespread hysteria: That's your business too.

Anyway, this exchange would have been better off in the Bareback / AO thread.

[Rocketboy0]

Those who want to live their lives in fear of everyting under the sun the propaganda media presents to the world in order to create widespread hysteria: That's your business too.

Anyway, this exchange would have been better off in the Bareback / AO thread.Well, while waiting for widespread hysteria, those Black Helicopters, and all the rest, let us declare the whole bonkers AO discussion here done, over, and Mission Accomplished.

Let it indeed move to the AO thread, where it may live long and prosper, as SwingerL suggests.

[Angus Magee]

Hi!

Going to Berlin for first weekend in June and have beer browsing different sites to find info. Have spotted those flat rate clubs earlier and there seems to be three of those in Berlin but have few questions about them.

About attitude of girls in those clubs. There was recent report where someone stated that most girls actively ignored him. Is this common? Are they still willing to have sex if asked directly? Can they refuse? But guess performance would be lousy.

Is beer there also watered down?

How about tipping someone stated that tipping before room would be best option if one wants better service but is that true? How much? And what if I want BBBJ?I can not really say about all flat rate clubs but at the KG I was certainly not ignored. To get the top girl though I did have to put myself out a bit, go talk to her and invite her to the room. Other than that it was all very easy. But the sex was just not terribly good. The girls were willing but lacked enthusiasm, well, except for the top girl I mentioned.

Personally I think that to make a flat rate experience fun you yourself have to show up with enthusiasm and without to many high expectations. If you want the definitive answer you will probably have to wait until later in June when the Flat Rate Meister Wangking shows up in Berlin and write his reports.

AM

[Sucker17]

Akula72: I certainly don't have lots of experience with FR-clubs, so I guess AM is a lot more experienced on the field. I did however visit KG with some collegues last year and I was extremely disappointed. The girls available were IMO fuckable okay, but some were ugly and in my "no-way" category, and I am not particularly picky! I only manage to fuck one girl, the other girls were resting, didn't want to go to room / eating or some other lame excuses. Some of the girls were also constantly nagging about getting a LD, cocktail or champagne! So calling it a flat-rate club is somewhat funny, because there are lots more expenses to think about, and most girls live of the extras they can get, like BBBJ, Kissing, Anal etc. The girl I went with was from Dominican republic and acted horrible in bed, did not want to remove her shirt (!) , and one of my collegues had a similar experience with another girl. If you're not too shy, you might want to check out the GB scene and visit Erlebniswohnung. I've heard it should be very good!

To KGs defence, I have to admit that it was also a bit our fault to get into the club at almost 2 AM. It was too late, so I guess we should have gone there earlier!

[Linus251]

Hi All,

Been reading the posts here for some time but this is my first report. Some weeks ago I visited Berlin for acouple of days and tried 4 brothels. This is my first experience of brothels in Berlin, my earlier experience is from Barcelona but as this is the Berlin-tread I leave that for now.

Liberty. Nice welcomed by an older lady, when she heard that I spoke english she excused her self about her own english skills but said that the girls could speak. A nice line up and I chose a young german girl, a soft GFE-like sesion for 40 minutes. Everything ended with a nice chatt, which I really enjoy.

Royal. Really nice place and a nice line up, it seems to be mostly eastern european girls and the girl I chose had very limited english skills. A nice session though which ended with a massage.

Saloon Prestige. Already the first girl in the line up caught my attention, a sexy blond girl with big fake tits (but nice soft ones). After 2 GFE-like session this one was more like porno-style, it all started with deep kissing and a wonderfull deepthraoth blowjob and the sex was very good. Even if she was the porn-movie girl during the act, when we caught our breaths we had a really nice chat.

Kamilla Dee. After read alot of good reviews regarding KD my expectations were high. First visit there were only 2 available girls in the line and no one found my interest, the lady who welcomed me said I should come back later, no hard feelings from her side. Secend try. 4 girls in the line and one of them I had seen in the website as one of the ones I wanted to see. A nice young girl with big natural breasts, very sexy. She took me up to the second appartment one stair up, where we were all alone. She almost looked a little biy shy in the beginning but that disappeared very fast. It turned out to be a really good GFE-session, deep kissing, nice blowjob and the sex was very good. Afterwards when we were chating she was the one to start cuddling and started to kiss me again and she also suggested that we should take a shower together. A really good session and the place was very nice, anyway the apartment upstaires where we were, so the high expectations were really fullfilled at KD.

Regarding the line up at KD, even if I were there quite early inthe afternoon, the line weren't that long neither of the 2 times I was there, maybe it's more common that you make reservations at KD?

To summarize. 4 good sessions and even if KD were the most expensive that is the one I will go back to next time in Berlin.

At the end I like to thank Angus, which reports I have read and been very usefull.

[WarmStone25]

I visited Berlin for the second time on 21-5-12. My plans were laid. On the following day I would visit Artemis, one of Berlin's famous brothels in the FKK style. I will report on this on the FKK thread.

After this, two days later, I wanted to visit another famous brothel in a more traditional style. I chose to visit either Kamilla-Dee or Royal.

Before these plans went into action I decided to explore on foot an area that I had not seen on my first visit. I walked down Dircksenstrasse towards Hackescher Market. I soon arrived on Oranienburger Strasse and continued to the junction with Burgstrasse. Suddenly I was aware of two young ladies who were very sexily dressed and good looking too. They appeared to be watching the traffic. Quickly they became aware of my interest in them. One of them approached and said Wie geht's, to which I repled gut and how much? The answer was 80e for a suck and hand job. Curiosity overcame my normal shyness so I asked about sex. They call it pussy fuck and the price was 100 to 150e on top. The offer included the use of a room where negotiations would continue. Discretion was the better part of valour so I said the price was to high and continued with my stroll. Before long I was approached by another sexy good looking girl. Before I finished my stroll I had been approached about 4 or 5 times. In each case the offer and prices were the same. Except for one who offered tit fuck in the park for 50e.

I was not in any way tempted by theses offers to negotiate in a room, certainly not when I considered what I had coming up. I do not know how this trade works for them but some of these girls would be good enough to get a job in a decent brothel.

I was now comfortable traveling on the S-Bahn. So I chose to travel to Bundesplatz Banhof. From here Royal would be 5 minutes walk. Another 10 minutes walk would take me to Kamilla-Dee.

I switched to the S42 on the ringbahn at Westkreutz Banhof having started at Alexanderplatz Banhoff. A few stations later I arrived at Bundesplatz Banhof. I got window seats and enjoyed the views on the way. I arrived at the door of Royal 30 minutes before I had planned to enter the brothel. I decided to walk on to Kamilla-Dee.

I arrived there early so I decided to sit at a table at the nearby cafe. I still had to decide which brothel I would go to. After enjoying the latte I decide that I should ring the bell at Kamilla-Dee.

The buzzer sounded and the door opened. I climbed up the stairs but for some reason missed the sign on the door and climbed up to many stairs. I corrected my error and returned to the second floor, heart pounding by this time. As I approached the door the madam went in before me having come from an adjoining apartment. I was summoned in. The madam gestured towards a room and said 'minute'. It was apparent that her English was as poor as my German. For a Madam I thought that this should have been different. So I waited in a small plain room with no atmosphere. After a few minutes a tall girl with a sexy curvy body and a beautiful face appeared. This girl spoke English with an American accent. She explained the set up very well.

I was shown five girls after which I did not feal like choosing one. The tall girl with the American accent returned. I asked her if she was part of the line up but she said that she was not available. This was disappointing and probably helped to decide me not to choose a girl. I politely asked if I could come back later. I was advise to return between 4:30 and 5:00. I said that this would suit me very well.

Outside I decided to return to Royal. I sounded the buzzer at Royal and the door opened. I climbed carefully to the second floor. There a door was open and the Madam was waiting on me. I asked early in the conversation if she spoke English and she said that there would be no problem with that.

This was a positive start. The Madam cheerfully showed me to a room. This was a bed room of a good size. The room was well appointed and if I chose a girl this is where I would be with her. The style of the room created a relaxed atmosphere and a positive feeling for me. I felt exited and could not wait to see the girls. I felt as if I was going to choose a girl. The Madam explained the set up.

Eight or nine girls were shown to me. The overall standard was good I thought. I choose a blonde girl but I explained to the Madam that I could not remember her name. This is not a problem which is new to the Madam and she helped me to get the girl that I wanted.

The chosen girl came to the room and we were all smiles. The girl could not speak much English but the Madam stayed long enough to translate when the girl and I agreed on what we would be doing.

I asked the Madam when the time would start. She explained that time would start from when we got onto the bed together. I asked about leaving my things in the room but she reassured me that she kept an eye on what was going on and that I could hide my things in the room if I wanted to. So I did this. The girl returned and took me to the shower. When I finished the girl was waiting and escorted me to the room. The atmosphere of the room and the back ground music created a good mood. It was not long before we were on the bed. The girl was not naturally blond but was slim, curvy, good looking. She gave a good service with plenty kissing, cuddling, followed by oral with. After this she mounted me in fine style and changed positions when requested. After we had plenty time so she gave me a nice slow back massage. This together with the room and the mood music was very relaxing. I almost fell asleep at this point. A very enjoyable 45 minutes was had.

The Madam returned and asked if every thing was OK. I said it was. On the way out I was ushered into another room to avoid meeting another man who was coming in.

The establishment is classy, to a high standard, the Madam is cheerfull and helpful. The girls on show were to a high standard.

This is the way that gentlemen should meet blondes.

[Gurre22]

Hello guys,

I'm really new in to this and have a question. Do you have any sugestions for nice short petite girls in Berlin?

Reports will follow, best regards.

[Bobo.fr]

Etc.

Kamilla Dee.

Etc.

One of them I had seen in the website as one of the ones I wanted to see. A nice young girl with big natural breasts,

Etc.Felicia? (http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/felic-e.htm

)

[Linus251]

Felicia? (

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/felic-e.htm

) Yes, that was Felicia.

[Sucker17]

Whitmonday was my day off from adventures in Artemis. I sure felt it was good with a break, and to regain my stamina. Of course nothing is better than a good massage was my thought, and I had booked in advance a 2h tantra massage at Kashima. www.kashima.de. According to Angus Magee, one of the very best tantra massage parlours in Berlin. I was unable to book a specific masseuse from the website, but could only choose female or male. I choose the first of course! Kashima is in a very impressive nice looking and very well renovated building in Kantstrasse in Berlin. I met precise for my appointment, as a good German would do! After ringing the bell "Kashima" I was let in by a girl in her twenties, I would guess 26 years old. I understood her name to be Karin, but from the website I see I was wrong. She is German and her name is Kai, she was also my masseuse, during the 2 hour massage session which cost 170 euros. Note: 15 min. Is used to talk to you before the massage, what you expect from the session and for showering. 15 min. Is also estimated for your shower after the session, so you're left with about 1h:30 min true massage. The bathroom itself is lovely, everything is cleaner than any other place I've been to. Artemis felt dirty compared to Kashima!

The tantra massage is different from anything else I've tried. This was my initiation to tantra and Kai did a very good job in getting me completely relaxed. I didn't even open my eyes during the whole session. Only once or twice to catch a glance of that beautiful body of Kai. Tantra is supposed to build your sexual energy and as you are naked, your masseuse also have to be naked and meet you on the same terms so to speak! The massage itself was very good, I felt completely relaxed when I finished the session. Everything was done with elegance, she used a special hot oil on my body that felt like it almost "envelopped" my body. Last but not least she finished me off with what most people would call a HJ, but I would call it a penis massage. That's what it really was, and the goal is not for you to cum, but the orgasm would be inevitable for me as this turned me so on. I agree that 170 euros gets you a lot of pussy in other places, but this session was almost better than any sex I've had. You just feel floating away, and you don't have to lift a finger! Kashima makes a lot of effort in being discrete and avoiding you to meet any other customers, and I never met anyone, but I knew there were somebody else in one of the rooms.

Later in the evening I felt the urge to try out what is supposed to be one of Berlins best bordellos: Kamilla La Dee in Blissestrasse. I rang the bell which was marked: Text & Form. A nice coverup for the neighbours? The bell next to it said Kamilla Dee however so I don't know if it made any difference. I was let in by the Hausmutter and she informed me about the prices: 80 euros for 30 min / 120 euros for 45 min and 160 euros for 1 stunde! The lineup was not as impressive as I was used to at Artemis, only two girls were available at around 8:30 PM: Lara and Annabel. But I also learned that you don't need 80 girls to choose from! I chose the latter. Annabel is a 27 years old brunette from Poland. You only have some brief seconds to decide which girl to choose during the parade and I was thinking that I enjoyed the concept in Artemis so much more. I did however go through the 45 min. Session with Annabel, paid her 120 euros and went one floor up to one of the rooms. Annabel was petite and slim and had a small pair of tits. She commenced the session with a good DFK and it actually took me a while to get a hard on. I guess the Kashima session had emptied my soul and mojo! She was very friendly and I did not feel rushed at all. It felt good avoiding all upsell techniques that you often hear in any FKK. She then proceeded with a covered BJ. Everything is very safe in KD and I got the message from this board as well, so I never even bothered asking for BBBJ. It didn't bother me so much as I'm used to CBJ in Prague. Annabel gave her best performance in the bed, but I still had a slight feeling that she gave me some mechanical sex, if it makes any sense. I mean she was very skillful, but she was not 100% into the sex as some girls in Artemis can be (or at least give you the illusion to be). However I had a very good session with her, and she proposed to finish the session with a very good massage of my back.

Final verdict: All in all, I can recommend KD, but personally I don't like the thought of only seconds to reflect on your choice of a girl. I think I will still stay with the FKKs in the future, but brothels is probably more suitable for the guys who are shy and don't want to meet other mongers in the same place!

[Bobo.fr]

. Etc.

Final verdict: All in all, I can recommend KD, but personally I don't like the thought of only seconds to reflect on your choice of a girl. I think I will still stay with the FKKs in the future, but brothels is probably more suitable for the guys who are shy and don't want to meet other mongers in the same place!It's easier to organize, to plan with brothels than with FKK / sauna clubs : often we can call brothels' staff to ask for an appointment with a lady (at least those who are working or are planned to work on that day) , I don't think that FKK / sauna clubs' staff manages such services.

[Delbhoy]

Hi guys,

I'm due in Berlin at the end of June for at least a week and would like any information on Thai massage in Berlin city centre or as near to the city. Most of the ones I have looked on the web are for proper massage or at very least a so called happy ending massage. I was looking for a Thai massage with a full personal service, are there any of these establishments in the city.

Thanks Del

[Sucker17]

Hi guys,

I'm due in Berlin at the end of June for at least a week and would like any information on Thai massage in Berlin city centre or as near to the city. Most of the ones I have looked on the web are for proper massage or at very least a so called happy ending massage. I was looking for a Thai massage with a full personal service, are there any of these establishments in the city.

Thanks DelHi, there is this place next to Mitte: http://thantawan.de/thaimassage_en.html

But they only offer a very good thaimassage, with HJ and covered BJ if you're into that. Cost approx 100 euros for one hour.

Then there's this one that is more like a classic thai brothel, but where you can probably get a massage as well. I don't have any experience from this place, so I don't know how good or bad the massage can be. Maybe the esteemed mr. Angus can shed some light on this bordello?

http://www.dasblauehaus.rotlichtmodelle.de/home.php

[JohnnyO]

Hi,

I briefly posted my plans on the EW thread since I will visit there on Tue. However I wanted to ask some more specific questions in relation to this thread.

FH seems like a good option for a cheaper bordello since we are on a tight budget and I have read the many reports here so thanks alll. If I don't speak good German will I have a problem just getting the basic 20 min with no extras, is there a phrase or something just to get the basics.

For €20 more myself and cousin could go to KG for the hour which would include drinks but I really would like to know how much you can get within the hour. Does the hour start from when you pay? I'm guessing some light conversation will be needed but I don't want to waste the whole hour making small talk at the bar but at the same time I don't want to appear rude and hurry a girl off to the room, so how realistic would it be to have more than 1 girl within that hour.

What about calagula I cannot find any reports on that.

Thanks in advance.

[Angus Magee]

Maybe the esteemed mr. Angus can shed some light on this bordello?

http://www.dasblauehaus.rotlichtmodelle.de/home.phpWell the truth is I do not really do Thai except I have had a massage from time to time. But then I really wanted a massage and never looked fo anything else.

As you say though Sucker17, there are places where more is available. The one you posted is well known. Here are links to two other places but I can not speak about quality or anything, just that sex is available as far as I know.

http://www.phais.rotlichtmodelle.de/home.html

http://www.pazific-spa-berlin.de/index.html

AM

[UShobbyist]

When I visit Berlin, I plan to buy a day pass everyday. Is the day pass good for the S-bahn, U-bahn, tram and bus?

[Ravein2]

Yes, the day pass is valid on all public transport. But make sure you get a day pass for the right zones. For the center you need zones AB, if you need to go to Schönefeld airport you need a pass for zones ABC.

http://mevoyaeuropa.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Berlin-S+U-Bahn.jpg


When I visit Berlin, I plan to buy a day pass everyday. Is the day pass good for the S-bahn, U-bahn, tram and bus?

[Velo Berlin]

When I visit Berlin, I plan to buy a day pass everyday. Is the day pass good for the S-bahn, U-bahn, tram and bus?Yes. As mentioned you have to be careful about zones, but zone A & B are generally sufficient unless you go to or from Shönefeld Airport. If you fly through Tegel A & B is enough. You can also buy an extension ticket to zone C if you have a zone A / B ticket.

http://www.bvg.de/index.php/en/17182/name/Single%2BTickets%2Band%2BDay%2BTicket / article / 77357. Html.

Enjoy your stay, it's a great city to visit!

Cheers,

VeLo BERLIN

[Member #4449]

this is the story of my first mongering trip. i am an introvert in my mid 30-ies, and i am about 20 kg to heavy. i am not very good socially, and have a hard time meeting new people, and have a hard time relaxing around strangers. i have never had a girlfriend, and my prior sexual experience is limited to one or two bad one night stands with too much alcohol in my blood. so even if i have had sex before, but i still felt like a virgin.

i have been struggling with the decision to take this step for a very long time now, tho my dick says go for it, my more sensible head have been hesitant. in theory i have no problem with prostitution, it is a consensual agreement between two adults. but i do have a problem with many of the reasons why a person decides to sell sex, or worse, forced too. the dark side of prostitution is really some of the worst things that can ever happen to a person in this world.

this is my thanks to this forum and the posters like angus, and all the others giving advice and sharing their experience. i have been a lurker here for about 2 years, and i hope my experience will help others to decide if this is for them or not.

day 1, the massage.

i arrived in berlin and my plan was to start it slow, and since i have never been close to a naked woman while sober before and a complete stranger at that. i wanted to ease my self in to it, and see how i would react.

i had pre booked a massage at kashima. i had chosen a 3 hour tantra massage with bath ritual and nuru summer special. i pressed the door bell 2 minutes before the arranged time, and was greeted by a nice petite woman with dark shoulder length hair. she was to be my masseuse and welcomed me inn and explained how things worked.

after i undressed we started off with a welcome ritual, where she first dis robed me and then herself this took me a bit of guard but i soon got used to the ritualism of the whole experience. we then stepped in to the bath tub together, where she proceeded to wash every part of my body thoroughly. she finished off with drying me off with a towel, the whole time at kashima i never had to lift a finger, she did every thing.

we then proceeded to the massage room. and she started the most relaxing massage i have had. even tho i had a naked woman with an amazing body, massaging every part of my body, even inside my ears, i kept my eyes closed almost the entire time. i was so relaxed i had no desire watching her naked body, i just had to take a peek now and then.

she the proceeded with the the lingam massage. and boy did she know what she was doing, the whole experience felt like going on forever, even tho i had no concept of time during the massage this part must have been 30 minuttes +. slowly massaged my penis, where she took me up to max pleasure and down again, to the point where pleasure was so intense it almost hurt. and at that moment i understood how careful and sensitive i had to be when i later where to massage a girls clitoris. she did this again and again to the point i could not take it any more, and at the moment i was considering about to speak up and tell her to not take me down again. she did not and i had the most amazing orgasm ever.

i took a shower and walked out in to the berlin streets with one amazing experience richer.

day 2, the brothel.

it was time to take it up a notch. i checked the berlin transport map and found a route to tiffany's. i choose tiffany because of how their website had a good description for «newbies» and i wanted «sex füare anfänger « and «kuss-kurs«

from the web site i found out that the girls i was interested in started to work at 12:00, so my goal was to be show up little after 12. 00. but unfortunately i got a bit late since i found out there was construction on the u1 line and i had to switch to temporary bus parts of the way.

when i got there i was pretty nervous, and my hand was shaking when i pressed the bell. i was buzzed in and walked up to the 4th floor, where i was greeted by a tall slim woman in just her bra and pantys, she must have been at least 50 years old, and was french from paris she welcomed me inn and explained the details prices etc.

when i was showed the line up only 1 girl and the older woman was available, none of them was interesting to me. so i asked if could wait or come back later, and asked when more girls would be available. she explained that she did not know when more was available, because the other girls was with clients and she did not know for how long, or if the girls had prior appointments. but i was welcome to come back later.

so i left, i was a bit annoyed and disappointed by this as the website said it was a drop in place and appointments was not encouraged. oh well what can you do, on to plan b.

i once again traversed berlin by public transportation. and soon pressed a bell marked text & from. i climbed upstairs and entered kamilla dee. where i was greeted by a house mother witch clearly and professionally explained everything. i explained that i was inexperienced and that it was my first time in a brothel and i wanted a girl that offers beginner service. i was then shown a line up 4 or 5 girls, it was so fast it was all a blur to me. i picked a slim girl with glasses and long dark hair, and i picked her purely because of the nice kind smile she gave me when she shook my hand and introduced her self. the other girls seemed uninterested and cold.

i told the house mother who i had chosen and, we went upstairs to the rooms. she then guided me to the showers, where i washed thoroughly and rinsed my mount with mouth wash.

back in the room i started to take in the beauty of the girl i picked, i told her i was nervous and new to all this, and asked her to take it slow. she had a sexy black tight dress on, i have always been sucker for the conservative, yet so sexy black dresses that show off every curve on a woman's body.

she then started to take the dress off while grinding my crotch with her behind. she then guided my hands around her body, her perfect natural breasts while she slowly took off her bra and pantys. we then stood nose to nose with our arms around one another. and she asked if i liked her with her glasses on or off, i answer to keep them on, she had this sexy secretary look. i then asked her if she kissed. she then smiled, tilted her head slightly, and gently kissed my lips. we stood there forever just kissing, slow at and soft at first. then harder and with tongue, i had no clue what i was doing and just followed her lead.

we lay down next to each other on the bed and kissed some more, and kissed her neck, her shoulders and breasts while i was caressing her. i asked if it was ok for me to go down down on her, she said of course, and i started to lick a pussy for my very first time. after a while she told me to turn over and put a condom on my dick with her mouth and gave me a slow blow job. we the proceeded on to sex and missionary, and as inexperienced i was this was a bit clumsy and not very good. so she mounted me and rode me to completion.

she sat on top off me for a little while longer, while i was still inside her. she them did a little upper body dance while she was singing «like a virgin, touched for the very first time» this made me smile big time. she then lay beside me gently stroking my chest while i was caressing her arm. and we chat ed for a bit. i learned she was polish, and still lived in poland, but commuted to berlin 4 times a week by train, to work. the train ride was 2 hours each way. that is dedication. when she was not working she spent her time with her son. she lowered her guard while she talked about her son, and clearly felt bed for being away from him so much.

she then teased me a bit and called me a gorilla because of my hairy chest, and i asked her if it has to hairy and should shave it, she said no and liked it like this. but she told me she did not like guys with hairy shoulders.

i then asked if it was time for round 2 and she nodded eagerly and, she started with a blow job again and i finished in doggie, while looking at her in the mirror.

i showered, kissed her and she led me outside. as i walked back too u-bahn station. i realised that she did all of this for her son, and i felt bad and my morals was questioned big time.

day 2 and 3, the sex club.

to be continued in the artemis thread.

[Txl Muc]

but the lineup has changed, and some of the best girls seem to have stayed back home Lineup now is.

| PETRA | LORETTA | RAMONA | MICHELLE |

So only Ramona is back. Anyone having news on the new ladies?

[Bobo.fr]

.

I realised that she did all of this for her son, and I felt bad and my morals was questioned big time.Very common situations (for German or no-German ladies) unfortunately!

Sometimes no-German ladies help other members of their family (for example a grand mother) stayed in the country.

Ok, but let's not forget that it would be worst for them if we don't meet them anymore just because of this reason!

[Bobo.fr]

.I plan to buy a day pass everyday.How many days do you plan to stay in Berlin : a 7 days-pass exists too (just be careful about AB zone or ABC zones as mentionned before buying it )!

[Angus Magee]

When I visit Berlin, I plan to buy a day pass everyday. Is the day pass good for the S-bahn, U-bahn, tram and bus?You might also look here: http://www.bvg.de/index.php/en/17181/name/Fares+Overview. Html.

There are various deals to be had for visitors. You can buy 1, 2 or 3 day cards that allow you to travel in all of the AB zone. Then a sperate extension can be bought if you travel outside the AB zone (e. G. To get to the airport)

AM

[UShobbyist]

How many days do you plan to stay in Berlin : a 7 days-pass exists too (just be careful about AB zone or ABC zones as mentionned before buying it )!Thank you, guys. I plan to stay in Berlin for 5 days. I use the Tegel airport and I may stay near Hauptbahnhof of Berlin. I don't know if it is a good neighbourhood. I guess it is at least better than the Hauptbahnhof of Frankfurt.

[Bearsk]

I think AB now includes Tegel airport but not Pottsdam (need C for that). I bought AB and from Tegel last year and was told it included the airport.


You might also look here:

http://www.bvg.de/index.php/en/17181/name/Fares

+Overview. Html.

There are various deals to be had for visitors. You can buy 1, 2 or 3 day cards that allow you to travel in all of the AB zone. Then a sperate extension can be bought if you travel outside the AB zone (e. G. To get to the airport)

AM

[Rocketboy0]

Thank you, guys. I plan to stay in Berlin for 5 days. I use the Tegel airport and I may stay near Hauptbahnhof of Berlin. I don't know if it is a good neighbourhood. I guess it is at least better than the Hauptbahnhof of Frankfurt.Hauptbahnhof a completely dead area-noisy construction zone, nothing to do. Better to stay near Adenauerplatz, Savignyplatz,or just south or east of Bahnhoff Zoo, (all lively easy transport near the brothels or Artemis) or further away and more urbany, Mitte or Prenzlauerberg for the hip East. Buy 1 day Tagespass, to get a feel for all, but also you really can bike everywhere. Tagespass 6. 30 vs bike 8-12 so hunt around but you can see more and save lots of time on a bike. Ask at info desk.

[Angus Magee]

I think AB now includes Tegel airport but not Pottsdam (need C for that). I bought AB and from Tegel last year and was told it included the airport.Actually I meant Schönefeld Airport. Tegel is very close to town and most definitely within the AB zone.

[Bobby Cph]

I picked a slim girl with glasses and long dark hair, and I picked her purely because of the nice kind smile she gave me when she shook my hand and introduced her self.Remember her name? I need some good beginner's service for a friend.

[Rocketboy0]

Actually I meant Schönefeld Airport. Tegel is very close to town and most definitely within the AB zone.Forgot. Here is a little Tegel tale. Came in there last Friday about 1630. There are 2 main bus zones as you exit-to the left the expresses to Bahnhoff Zoo, to the right the busses towards Alexanderplatz. I would guess there were easily 500 people on each. I have done this 100 times and never saw it so bad. The overhead displays said busses were arriving, but clearly nothing was, or had for a while. I asked the BVG (the Berlin Transit Authority) dudes,"Was der Fuck"? They replied it was just typical late Friday afternoon traffic and the city was snarled up. I said there was nothing typische about it at all. Waited a good 20 min and nothing was arriving. So the plan became grab a taxi to closest U-Bahn which is Jakob Keiserdam U7. I asked the cabbie was war los and he said there was a bad accident on one of the cross streets just outside the airport, and or while they were moving some large cranes. He was not very clear on it, and as the traffic got bad for us also leaving (the U Bahn is normally a 5-7 min ride if that) I felt a bit taken, especially when he started talking about flat rates all the way to my place (the Caligula of taxis).

But then the road did open up (at least the bus and taxi lane) and was the right call to just keep calm and stick with the plan. But, coming into the airport, from about 3 kms out, it was completely blocked. I saw lots of people walking with their luggage on the middle of the autobahn, obviously at great risk of missing their flight. Never seen anything like it at Tegel which is normally really a breeze getting in and out of. Disturbing that no one on the bus platform seemed to have any real idea what was going on.

So clearly an unusual perfect storm deal. I mention it only in case any mongers use it eg to get to and from Artemis or from the West Berlin Bordello Triangle etc. There should never be bad traffic. The distance involved by taxi should be 15min and by bus & S-Bahn maybe 25 (reported earlier on the Arts thread). If you hit some kind of wall in either direction and it lasts more than 5 min say just to a traffic light, you know something bad is up and plan accordingly.

[Delbhoy]

Well the truth is I do not really do Thai except I have had a massage from time to time. But then I really wanted a massage and never looked fo anything else.

As you say though Sucker17, there are places where more is available. The one you posted is well known. Here are links to two other places but I can not speak about quality or anything, just that sex is available as far as I know.

http://www.phais.rotlichtmodelle.de/home.html

http://www.pazific-spa-berlin.de/index.html

AMThanks Angus and Sucker17 for your info.

Regards Del

[Bobo.fr]

I picked a slim girl with glasses and long dark hair, and I picked her purely because of the nice kind smile she gave me when she shook my hand and introduced her self.Remember her name? I need some good beginner's service for a friend.Was she Karina (

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/karina-e.htm

)?

[Ableyone]

When I visit Berlin, I plan to buy a day pass everyday. Is the day pass good for the S-bahn, U-bahn, tram and bus?Yes, thats what I did when I was in Berlin recently.

If you're going to do some sightseeing then the day pass is excellent value; however if you're going to spend all day in one of Berlin's most excellent clubs then two single tickets would be cheaper. Don't forget to stick your ticket in the ticket stamping machine the first time you use it though.

As for sightseeing despite being in Berlin for the week all I saw was the inside of the Olympiastadion, the Brandenburg Gate, and the excellent Berliner Mauer exhibit out by the Nordbahnhof.

I had also wanted to see the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Gedächtniskirche, however I arrived to find it completely shrouded as they are currently restoring it.

[Bobby Cph]

Carena Club in Friedrichshain

www.carena-girls.de

could look like a fun place to go and watch some of the football matches this summer. But is the place any good? It doesn't look too sleazy for me and could be a nice combination of watching football, drinking and having the nice company of sexy girls with the option of going to a room. (I've tried it once in Denmark and it was great fun. But maybe I should go to Artemis instead?)

Chateau Bar in Charlottenburg

www.chateau-girls.de

could also be an option. It is however only open in the evening and night which is almost never compatible with my working schedule when I'm in Berlin. They maybe don't even show football.

I like the size of these places, not too big for a shy guy. And that's why I hesitate about going to Artemis to watch the games. So what are the options in Berlin? And does anyone have any experience with these two places?