Berlin

[Angus Magee]

Carena Club in Friedrichshain.

www.carena-girls.de

Could look like a fun place to go and watch some of the football matches this summer. But is the place any good? It doesn't look too sleazy for me and could be a nice combination of watching football, drinking and having the nice company of sexy girls with the option of going to a room. (I've tried it once in Denmark and it was great fun. But maybe I should go to Artemis instead?)

Chateau Bar in Charlottenburg.

www.chateau-girls.de

Could also be an option. It is however only open in the evening and night which is almost never compatible with my working schedule when I'm in Berlin. They maybe don't even show football.

I like the size of these places, not too big for a shy guy. And that's why I hesitate about going to Artemis to watch the games. So what are the options in Berlin? And does anyone have any experience with these two places?I have been to the Chateau though it was a long time back and late at night. I fled after one beer as the girls would not leave me alone to buy them very expensive champagne. That is the trouble with these places. While there is no obligation to buy expensive "lady drinks" they sometimes pester you so much it makes the experience most unpleasant. Likewise, this is the clear advantage of Artemis where you pay upfront a high entry fee and then nobody asks for drinks and such.

Erlebniswohnung strikes me a good place to watch the football though no doubt it will be quite crowded.

AM

[Rocketboy0]

I have been to the Chateau though it was a long time back and late at night. I fled after one beer as the girls would not leave me alone to buy them very expensive champagne. That is the trouble with these places. While there is no obligation to buy expensive "lady drinks" they sometimes pester you so much it makes the experience most unpleasant. Likewise, this is the clear advantage of Artemis where you pay upfront a high entry fee and then nobody asks for drinks and such.

Erlebniswohnung strikes me a good place to watch the football though no doubt it will be quite crowded.

AMI too was underwhelmed back in the day at the Chateau-I did stay for some thrills and chills but nothing special. Have not been back since.

Erlebniswohnung might give new meaning to shots on goal, esp. If packed (as it were).

Aretemis actually fun. It is a good scene at the TV down by the pool, and should you play your cards right, you will have plenty of frustrated girls to choose from DURING the match, as the mongers will be glued to the TV.

[Norjan]

day 1, the massage.

i arrived in berlin and my plan was to start it slow, and since i have never been close to a naked woman while sober before and a complete stranger at that. i wanted to ease my self in to it, and see how i would react.

i had pre booked a massage at kashima. i had chosen a 3 hour tantra massage with bath ritual and nuru summer special. i pressed the door bell 2 minutes before the arranged time, and was greeted by a nice petite woman with dark shoulder length hair. she was to be my masseuse and welcomed me inn and explained how things worked.

after i undressed we started off with a welcome ritual, where she first dis robed me and then herself this took me a bit of guard but i soon got used to the ritualism of the whole experience. we then stepped in to the bath tub together, where she proceeded to wash every part of my body thoroughly. she finished off with drying me off with a towel, the whole time at kashima i never had to lift a finger, she did every thing.

we then proceeded to the massage room. and she started the most relaxing massage i have had. even tho i had a naked woman with an amazing body, massaging every part of my body, even inside my ears, i kept my eyes closed almost the entire time. i was so relaxed i had no desire watching her naked body, i just had to take a peek now and then.

she the proceeded with the the lingam massage. and boy did she know what she was doing, the whole experience felt like going on forever, even tho i had no concept of time during the massage this part must have been 30 minuttes +. slowly massaged my penis, where she took me up to max pleasure and down again, to the point where pleasure was so intense it almost hurt. and at that moment i understood how careful and sensitive i had to be when i later where to massage a girls clitoris. she did this again and again to the point i could not take it any more, and at the moment i was considering about to speak up and tell her to not take me down again. she did not and i had the most amazing orgasm ever.

i took a shower and walked out in to the berlin streets with one amazing experience richer.

day 2, the brothel.what is a tantra massage?

what is a lingam massage? (a penis massage?)

what made you choose kashima?

the lady who gave you the massage, was she hot? (i mean like the hot chicks at artemis?)

norjan

[UShobbyist]

Hauptbahnhof a completely dead area-noisy construction zone, nothing to do. Better to stay near Adenauerplatz, Savignyplatz,or just south or east of Bahnhoff Zoo, (all lively easy transport near the brothels or Artemis) or further away and more urbany, Mitte or Prenzlauerberg for the hip East. Buy 1 day Tagespass, to get a feel for all, but also you really can bike everywhere. Tagespass 6. 30 vs bike 8-12 so hunt around but you can see more and save lots of time on a bike. Ask at info desk.Thank you for your advice. I will try to stay near Adenauerplatz or Savignyplatz.

[UShobbyist]

Yes, thats what I did when I was in Berlin recently.

If you're going to do some sightseeing then the day pass is excellent value; however if you're going to spend all day in one of Berlin's most excellent clubs then two single tickets would be cheaper. Don't forget to stick your ticket in the ticket stamping machine the first time you use it though.

As for sightseeing despite being in Berlin for the week all I saw was the inside of the Olympiastadion, the Brandenburg Gate, and the excellent Berliner Mauer exhibit out by the Nordbahnhof.

I had also wanted to see the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Gedächtniskirche, however I arrived to find it completely shrouded as they are currently restoring it.Thank you for your info. Do I need to stamp the ticket if I buy a day pass?

[Member #4449]

What is a tantra massage?

What is a lingam massage? (a penis massage?)

What made you choose Kashima?

The lady who gave you the massage, was she hot? (I mean like the hot chicks at Artemis?)

NorjanAll questions are anserd at their website http://www.kashima.de/tantra-berlin.html

I always wanted to try professional, non sleezy erotic massage, I chose Kashima by recomandation of Angus.

You can not chose the masseuse just the gender. And its an 100% passive massage,

[Angus Magee]

All questions are anserd at their website.

http://www.kashima.de/tantra-berlin.html

I always wanted to try professional, non sleezy erotic massage, I chose Kashima by recomandation of Angus.

You can not chose the masseuse just the gender. And its an 100% passive massage, Norjan may want to check out my blog post on tantra in general.

http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=158

Actually you could probably chose your masseuse but you will not have a parade at Kashima. Just if you know of one who you specifically want you could make a booking for her over the phone. All the massages are booked in advance over the phone as generally the rooms are pretty well booked all day long.

Are they hot? Depends how you define the term. The girls are not hookers and thus do not dress that part, at least at work. I did meet one of the girls at a kashima party to which I had been invited. She was dressed for going out that night and while not looking like a hooker, she was pretty hot. At work they dress in a sarong which comes off during the massage.

AM

[Angus Magee]

Thank you for your info. Do I need to stamp the ticket if I buy a day pass?You always have to stamp the ticket with time & date when you start to use it. If you stamp it in the morning (for a day pass) it is good until the end of service the next day, not midnight.

AM

[Sucker17]

1. What is a tantra massage?

2. What is a lingam massage? (a penis massage?)

3. What made you choose Kashima?

4. The lady who gave you the massage, was she hot? (I mean like the hot chicks at Artemis?) Norjan1. I don't pretend to be an expert on tantra, I have only had one very good tantra massage at Kashima and it was definitely a different but great experience. I guess tantra is different for everybody, but it's got a bit buzzed up and now a lot of MP say they do tantra massage, which essentially is not always correct! Tantra means for me a very relaxing massage, a ceremony, that includes the masseuse being naked, it also involves her laying on top of you for a while, warm oil, feathers, deep relaxation where you find your own sexual energy. Again, this is only my interpretation of tantra.

2. You have already replied your own question. At Kashima it is really a massage of the penis, not an ordinary HJ!

3. I have to give the credit to Angus, he showed me the way through his blog, already mentionned here. But I have to emphasize that you really get impressed by their premises. Everything is so quiet and clean!

3. Kai was my masseuse. I could not choose from their website, only gender. I would not describe her as hot, I would probably not even look at her on the street. I'd say an ordinary looking German girl. But again this is not mongering, so I didn't look at her during the massage, only one glance or two at her beautiful body. Definitely not Artemis standard, but I was not disappointed!

[UShobbyist]

How much is the charge for Kashima massage? Where can I find one in Berlin?

[LeFouDeBerlin]

Day 1, The Massage.

I had pre booked a massage at Kashima. I had chosen a 3 hour tantra massage with bath ritual and nuru summer special. I pressed the door bell 2 minutes before the arranged time, and was greeted by a nice petite woman with dark shoulder length hair. She was to be my masseuse and welcomed me inn and explained how things worked.

After I undressed we started off with a welcome ritual, where she first dis robed me and then herself this took me a bit of guard but I soon got used to the ritualism of the whole experience. We then stepped in to the bath tub together, where she proceeded to wash every part of my body thoroughly. She finished off with drying me off with a towel, the whole time at Kashima I never had to lift a finger, she did every thing.During bath ritual, is your masseuse naked? Or dressed with sarong?

[Ableyone]

You always have to stamp the ticket with time & date when you start to use it. If you stamp it in the morning (for a day pass) it is good until the end of service the next day, not midnight.

AMThey have a strange way of representing the date though that confused me at first. It seemed like the day of the week, the week number in the year and then the last two digits of the year.

[Sucker17]

How much is the charge for Kashima massage? Where can I find one in Berlin?You can google the answers: Kantstrasse 139. All prices are displayed at their website www.kashima.de , I would recommend 2h Dhavala massage for beginners: 170 euros. Angus Magee has even taken his precious time to give us two videos, one Walk With Angus to the studio itself, another one from inside Kashima. I suspect he gets a commision from them, but I don't really care! Just search for them at Youtube. Just for the record: instead of going off at Wilmersdorfer str. U-bahn station, I went off at the S-bahn station Savignyplatz which was closer, just 4 min. Walk from Kashima.

[JimmyVegas]

Hi guys. Fellow mongers. I have a special request.

I am visiting Berlin and I am from Vancouver, Canada. I am looking to see a lady with your company. I like a lady with very large pussy lips. Large inner labia."Ich suche eine damen mit grosse Schamlippen". I hope this does not seem like a strange request. Also if you have the ability to search other boards for fkk or angecnys or indy girls that might have this that would be amazing.

Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you,

Jimmy

[Angus Magee]

During bath ritual, is your masseuse naked? Or dressed with sarong?Come on, it says right in the text that you yourself quoted that first she disrobed him then herself. Do you think she would jump in fully clothed?

AM

[Angus Magee]

Hi guys. Fellow mongers. I have a special request.

I am visiting Berlin and I am from Vancouver, Canada. I am looking to see a lady with your company. I like a lady with very large pussy lips. Large inner labia."Ich suche eine damen mit grosse Schamlippen". I hope this does not seem like a strange request. Also if you have the ability to search other boards for fkk or angecnys or indy girls that might have this that would be amazing.

Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you,

JimmyNone that I can vouch for but this girl used to call her self SissiBigLips so there is a hint right there.

http://www.berlinintim.de/member/Kontakte/W-Sissi-26762.html

And Angie bei Anette is also said to sport a nice set as is Mia bie Mona Rose's.

http://www.anett-modelle.de/html/angie.html

http://www.monas-roses.de/mia.html

AM

[Norjan]

We then stepped in to the bath tub together, where she proceeded to wash every part of my body thoroughly.

Massaging every part of my body, .Thanks for the info sucker, angus and batou, and angus, I will check your blog and your you tube videos.

Batou, when you say every part of your body, one thing concerns me. Did she ever touched your asshole? In the massage, or cleaning or any other time?

A girl once tried to put her finger upp my ass (during sex) and that was just true horror. I'll never forget it. She told me "every guy likes that" but I told her I certainly did not.

I want to try this massage place but if I will lay there fearing a finger up my ass any second it won't be relaxing for me.

So, do the massage at any time involves fingers close to your asshole?

Angus, Sucker or anybody else who had this kind of massage, please feel free to answer.

Norjan

[Angus Magee]

Angus, Sucker or anybody else who had this kind of massage, please feel free to answer.

NorjanIf you do not want her to touch your anus just tell her so during the pre-massage chat you will have. The girls have no desire to anally penetrate you against your will. A standard massage will not include a prostate massage anyway, though in a standard massage her fingers might brush across the anus. To rather a pleasant effect I might add. But if you do not want it to, speak up.

AM

[Rocketboy0]

If you do not want her to touch your anus just tell her so during the pre-massage chat you will have. The girls have no desire to anally penetrate you against your will. A standard massage will not include a prostate massage anyway, though in a standard massage her fingers might brush across the anus. To rather a pleasant effect I might add. But if you do not want it to, speak up. AMAngus. I can see where this is going. It is high time you consider a new instructional video, perhaps "Fingering With Angus".

I first thought of "Anus with Angus", butt (ha) that might be misunderstood. You know how many pervs hang out here.

[MuShine]

Was she Karina (

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/karina-e.htm

)?Hello, yes I am quite sure it was Karina. H.

I visited the place yesterday and I picked her for exactely the same reason : a bright, genuine smile at our first contact.

I had an excellent 1 hour session with her, even if very classical (very nice pussy licking).

I definitely recommend her for a beginner session (that I was! But it was a long time ago. 24h at the time I am writing this post)

Karina is Polish and has very soft skin. She is nice, gentle and lifted up my anxiety about being there.

[JohnnyO]

Hi guys. I'm much more of a GB guy so this sort of club did not overly appeal to me, however I wanted to check it out as I was with my cousin and he is certainly not the GB type. We wanted somewhere cheap as we had spent quite a bit trying to get to Poland for the football without a ticket. Also I was planning on going to Erlebniswohnung GangBang Club on Tue and really wanted something to compare it to.

Leaving from Alexanderplatz it was a pretty straight forward journey and then about 7 min walk form Viktoria Lousie Platz. One of our main concerns was somehow being ripped off as this concept was totally alien to us. There are similar illegal clubs in the UK although you are guaranteed to lose everything.

We were greeted at the door by a welcoming chirpy guy who spoke good English. After paying €90 we were showing through to the club and greeted by a friendly lady who explained everything in English.

After grabbing a couple of beers we surveyed our surroundings. The place looks like a cheap strip club with girls dancing around the poles with absolutely no interest in doing so. I would later be told that they have to spend 9 hours doing that even when there is no customers. The quality of the girls surprised me especially after reading some of the reports about the club. There were around 7 girls in total and about 3 guys already in the club. The girls ranged from 7. 9s slim tall blonde brunette etc and one 4 Bianca.

One thing I did not like at this stage was that girls get together in corners and smoke and also smoke on the stage in groups. I think it cheapens the experience. Also none of the girls will make any eye contact with you or any attempt at speaking to you, in fact my cousin attempted to speak to a tall beautiful Russian like girl and her attitude was terrible. This is a club where you cannot be shy or offended. You need to go up to them and tell them that you want taking to a room.

My cousins first was Jasmin, she was beautiful and he enjoyed it. My first was Jessica, she was stunning and brought me to a room and left me there for about 2 min. She then came back and said I have a question for you, at this point I panicked as I thought something may be about to go down but all she wanted to know was would I like 2 girls and I said yes. To my horror she brought in Bianca. When you have 2 girls you can only fuck one and the other does CBJ. I came during the bbj as I knew I would not last long first time round.

After a while Bianca and Jessica wanted me to go again, something which I was happy to do as the girls don't normally ask the guys and I wanted to see Jessica's body again. This turned out to be an amazing fuck. I did Jessica missionary while Bianca sat there fingering her pussy. Jessica was screaming louder and louder and I could feel her pussy getting wetter and wetter. As this was happening I pushed her knees further back while Bianca pushed her tits in my mouth, all of sudden Jessica clenched her pussy really tight around my cock and I came straight away. Afterwards I had a great chat with Jessica a really nice girl and this fuck was worth the €90 alone.

For my next fuck I could not decided between the the tall skinny Russian-a.like or a short cute blonde Annette I believe. My cousin did the Russian-a-like but said he did not enjoy it so I chose the short cute blonde, what a mistake that turned out to be. In the room she had no interest in conversation. While doing CBJ I tried to finger her pussy and she snapped "excuse me". After she put the condom on and lubed me I touched my cock and she snapped again with a sigh as she did not want me to interfere with the lube. She declined all requests for anything but the missionary position. As my cock is quite large she would not let me put it all the way in and held most of it back with her hand during the sad pathetic excuse for a fuck. That was probably the worst fuck of my life.

So far we were about 5 hours here after arriving at about midday and the heat inside along with smoke was killing me. Some of the girls were hot but the attitude of some and the atmosphere of the club was a hard on killer for me and I was taking longer to get hard, more than I normally would. For my last fuck I chose Jasmin and I'm glad I did so. My cousin had already done her again and enjoyed it. He also did Bianca which he hated. Jasmin had a great personality and body to match, something which I did not immediately realise when I entered the club. Once again I was asked if I wanted 2 girls. I agreed and she brought in a stunning friend. I did Jasmin doggy and it was a great fuck. After 6 hours at Calagula we left.

Conclusion. This was my first venture into the German sex scene. For the price compared to the UK and other western European countries there is very little to complain about. The staff were friendly and it was easy to say no to the extras and some girls did not even offer them. It is very much a lucky dip whether you will get great sex here or not as this will depend on the attitude of the girls and some have bad attitudes. Also there are no showers here. If you want cheap beer and cheap sex this it but there will certainly be no GFE. One girl told us she does hotel visits. If I was in the area and needed a fuck badly yes I would go back, also if I was with the boys and wanted a bit of a laugh some beers and prostitutes then I would go back, otherwise this is not my scene. Also you won't have a lot to lose by checking this out for yourself and it was not as terrible as some of the reviews I read. Although it seems from reviews there are much better clubs for a similar price which I would be eager to check out.

[Corinthian]

Long overdue reports from my last trip to Berlin some time ago.

Peilin. Peilin Thai-Massage

I made contact with the establishment before going to Berlin for a holiday and made an appointment to see Virin and asked for a confirmation, which I got. When I showed up, I briefly talked to Virin, who said she had another appointment, and was therefore not able to see me. So much for the appointment. Peilin came in the door as I was talking to Virin, and I chose a massage with her instead. The massage was ok, although the room was a tad cold. Peilin looks like her picures, although slightly photoshopped.

I went to Peilin (or a thai-massage-place) as I wanted a good massage with a happy ending. The massage wasn't bad, but not great either. HJ was ok. Will probably not repeat. No shower available, which was a bit of a disappointment, since I felt like I was smelling of massage oils the rest of the until I got back to my hotel to have a shower. Also, the whole thing about disregarding my appointment was disappointing.

http://peilin-thaimassage.de/htdocs/team.htm

Nicole. Aphrodite Massagen.

I went to Aphrodite Massagen the day after, as I have been there before and was pleased with their services (see my report on Katja). This time I went to see Nicole. She is actually prettier than her pictures suggest, and she looks great in the pictures IMO. And I have to emphasize that she was also a very nice girl, or at last I had good chemistry with her. I enjoyed myself in her company, so to speak. This was more of en erotic massage, with emphasis on the erotic, more than the massage bit. That said, the massage was good. The erotic part was very nice. During my 45 mins there she gave me a very nice HJ, and after that she proceeded to continue massaging my front, teasing me and getting me ready for another round This time around she gave me a spanish until I came. Very nice, indeed. When I as about to leave she told me that she and some of her friends were going to a club that evening, sort of hinting that we could meet up there. I was no able to do so, as I was on holiday with some, shall we say not so liberal, friends. And meeting up with a erotic masseuse would probably not be kosher with them. I wonder what would have happened if I had taken her up on that, though. Maybe something for another trip.

Regardless, I have been to Aphrodites twice and I've always left with a smile. Will return, for sure. Obviously, no other services than massage, HJ and prostate massage are available. So this is not for those who desire other services. The place is also nice and clean, and showers before and after the session are available.

http://www.aphrodite-massagen.de/galery_7.php

Claudia. Rheinsberger 78

I also went to Rheinsberger 78 during my trip. Made no appointments before I arrived, but called them and asked who were working that day. There were more girls in the line-up than those presented on their webpages, if I remember correctly. Either way, I chose Claudia, as I had planned. Paid extra for kissing, if I remember correctly. But was a bit disappointed when that did not include french kissing. My mistake, I should have asked specifically when negotiating. Lessons learned and all that. Good BJ. Ok, but not great, sex. The place is nice and clean, with a shower available. Generally speaking, I think this is a pretty decent option for the cost-conscious.

http://rheinsberger78.de/claudia_20_jahre.html

[Corinthian]

Hi gents,

Hopefully my report is up by the time you read this post, so I hope you don't mind me asking some questions. As I am going to Berlin in a couple of weeks.

The last time I went (around April-may) , I was planning on booking Ramona from KZ, after having read Charlie123's favorable reports on this agency. Unfortunately, they started their holiday just days before I arrived. I see that KZ are now up and running again, and I am considering meeting Ramona. Has anyone seen her or any of the other new girls recently and if so, care to comment on the quality of service and so on?

I also found some (old, but favorable) reports from Charlie123 regarding an escort agency called escort-sex24. Does anyone know about their level / quality of service these days and if the pictures are real (probably photoshopped, but at least the same person)?

Finally, I am still looking for a place that can give me a good massage that includes a happy ending. I am guessing that a thai-massage is my best bet. I tried Peilin last time, and was not impressed (see my report). I've been thinking of trying Longma or Thantawan. Does anyone have any experiece with any of these places?

I've also been thinking of giving Kashima a visit, but I'll see when I get to Berlin.

Thanks in advance

[Ableyone]

Conclusion. This was my first venture into the German sex scene. For the price compared to the UK and other western European countries there is very little to complain about. The staff were friendly and it was easy to say no to the extras and some girls did not even offer them. It is very much a lucky dip whether you will get great sex here or not as this will depend on the attitude of the girls and some have bad attitudes. Also there are no showers here. If you want cheap beer and cheap sex this it but there will certainly be no GFE. One girl told us she does hotel visits. If I was in the area and needed a fuck badly yes I would go back, also if I was with the boys and wanted a bit of a laugh some beers and prostitutes then I would go back, otherwise this is not my scene. Also you won't have a lot to lose by checking this out for yourself and it was not as terrible as some of the reviews I read. Although it seems from reviews there are much better clubs for a similar price which I would be eager to check out.An excellent description of your visit to Caligular, JohnnyO, I almost feel as though I have been there myself, thank you.

Not that I'm ever going to go there (no showers, that's a deal breaker for me) but was there a time limitation for the room sessions?

Also I really hope you got to visit Erlebniswohnung.

Ableyone.

[Angus Magee]

Hi gents,

Hopefully my report is up by the time you read this post, so I hope you don't mind me asking some questions. As I am going to Berlin in a couple of weeks.

The last time I went (around April-may) , I was planning on booking Ramona from KZ, after having read Charlie123's favorable reports on this agency. Unfortunately, they started their holiday just days before I arrived. I see that KZ are now up and running again, and I am considering meeting Ramona. Has anyone seen her or any of the other new girls recently and if so, care to comment on the quality of service and so on?

I also found some (old, but favorable) reports from Charlie123 regarding an escort agency called escort-sex24. Does anyone know about their level / quality of service these days and if the pictures are real (probably photoshopped, but at least the same person)?

Finally, I am still looking for a place that can give me a good massage that includes a happy ending. I am guessing that a thai-massage is my best bet. I tried Peilin last time, and was not impressed (see my report). I've been thinking of trying Longma or Thantawan. Does anyone have any experiece with any of these places?

I've also been thinking of giving Kashima a visit, but I'll see when I get to Berlin.

Thanks in advanceI can not really comment on the current KZ line up except to say that over the past few years the agency has had the most consistently good reports of almost any agency in Berlin. That is not to say that they are all good, but enough to know that the risk is not huge. As Charlie has recommended, try to make the booking as early in the day as possible and try to secure the first booking of the day to ensure the girl is fresh. If you book her at midnight you have to know that the has done possibly 4 sessi ons before yours and this can only be a bad thing.

As for Thai massage, I have had the best massage at smaller, non-brothel type places. These were places I just found and generally they had no website and were obviously set up as Thai massage parlours. The massage was always fairly good and done by reasonably good looking women, but not stunners. At the end of the massage I was offered a HJ as part of the massage. I think the point is that the more a Thai massage parlour looks like a brothel, the worse the massage will be. So I would say that it is best to decide just what you are looking for, a massage or a fuck. Then pick your establishment accordingly. The Thai massage brothels I think will always be sort of sleazy and the service not as good as you can find in a good bordello, though undoubtably less expensive.

If you really do want a good massage in a non-bordello then I do recommend Kashima. It is an expensive massage but it is longer than most, is a very clean environment and the girls are highly trained both in massage and in treating the customer as king.

AM

[Angus Magee]

Hi guys. I'm much more of a GB guy so this sort of club did not overly appeal to me, however I wanted to check it out as I was with my cousin and he is certainly not the GB type. We wanted somewhere cheap as we had spent quite a bit trying to get to Poland for the football without a ticket. Also I was planning on going to Erlebniswohnung GangBang Club on Tue and really wanted something to compare it to.Thanks for the report Johnny. One comment I have is to ask why, after the girl showed herself in the room to be bitchy, you did not just pull the plug on the session and go find someone else? This to me was the nice thing, really one of the only nice things, about the flat rate system. If I have already paid for all my sessions in advance I would not waste a shot on goal with a girl who was showing herself to be less than agreeable.

But it was good to have a reasonably positive report on this place and I think that your comments about how to act in such a place are dead on.

AM

[LeFouDeBerlin]

If you really do want a good massage in a non-bordello then I do recommend Kashima. It is an expensive massage but it is longer than most, is a very clean environment and the girls are highly trained both in massage and in treating the customer as king.

AMHttp://www.spiritual-tantra.de/en_tantra-berlin-home.html

This is also good address.

[JohnnyO]

Thanks for the report Johnny. One comment I have is to ask why, after the girl showed herself in the room to be bitchy, you did not just pull the plug on the session and go find someone else? This to me was the nice thing, really one of the only nice things, about the flat rate system. If I have already paid for all my sessions in advance I would not waste a shot on goal with a girl who was showing herself to be less than agreeable.

But it was good to have a reasonably positive report on this place and I think that your comments about how to act in such a place are dead on.

AMAngus looking back I should have, and you summed it just nicely, a wasted shot on goal. Once gain totally new to the German scene and the flat rate thing so was not 100 sure of the etiquette. Now I have been next time I would just walk out on a bitchy girl without question.

[JohnnyO]

An excellent description of your visit to Caligular, JohnnyO, I almost feel as though I have been there myself, thank you.

Not that I'm ever going to go there (no showers, that's a deal breaker for me) but was there a time limitation for the room sessions?

Also I really hope you got to visit Erlebniswohnung.

Ableyone.Thanks, I was really appreciative of the detailed information on this site and wanted to contribute. Yes I should have mentioneded there is a 20 min limit but I got the impression it's not strictly enforced. Also it's worth mentioning, if you finish up before 20 min the girls will encourage you but not pressure to stay and massage them or just speak to them. If you get a nice friendly one then the extra conversation is easy. One more thing they play cheap old school porn on screens in the main area. My Erlebniswohnung report will be up tomorrow.

[Oliver Ecke]

Ages since I posted and have had a couple of visits to the capital since. Must point out that that my Mongering to complement my visits to these locations as the main purpose is just to get away from work for a few days, chill out, have a few drinks and meals, touristy stuff and try and fit in a visit to a footy match or sometimes a racecourse.

Am now finished with the bottom of the scale places – was in Cologne just before Christmas and paid four visits to the cheap dens in the red light area near the main station. On one visit one of the girls had a queue outside her door comprising of characters who looked like they came from all over the globe – I swear there was even one guy looked like an Eskimo! It could have been a scene from a sketch from those that wrote Airplane. On another visit this girl was free and won by curiosity I saw her. Seemed a little too giggly and after we'the finished and she stood fixing her hair in the mirror I noticed track marks on the inside of her calf. That was me finished for good with places that are likely to have skagheads. Cologne visits in future will concentrate on the likes of Maryerotica for any mongering and would rather have one quality experience than half a dozen cheap suck and fucks that lead you question ones morals. Someone in a recent post on here said they felt guilty when they found that one of the girls they saw was doing it to improve the standard of life for her children. To be honest, I'the have no guilt at all over that but I do draw the line when they need money for Heroin and will do my best to avoid in future.

Hamburg in April saw visits to two places around the Reeperbahn – healthy looking lucid ladies but service not too special. Did knock on the door of a Cinema orgy place in the upmarket suburb of Eimsbuttel but left quickly when no one answered as respectable looking neighbours were walking past with their families and it was a bit embarrassing.

Right, to Berlin – was there in the first week in February when on one day it went as low as – 14 at noon. Paid three visits to Liberty and one to Salon Prestige. I believe they are in the same ownership but I tend to find Liberty superior and am surprised that a few on here seem to think that Prestige is at least the equal if not better. Was very disappointed with the Prestige visit. The girl I chose was ultra mechanical and wooden. Just one of those occasions were you don't click. Can't remember her name and not even sure if she is on the website. Light brown long hair, slim mid-twenties, one tattoo.

My three visits to Liberty gladly produced better results. On the first occasion I picked an absolute cracking looker called Caroline. I wanted an hour but she had an appointment so we had 45 mins. Consisted of French kissing, me performing oral and fingering (with condom) until she was fully wet inside and squeezing my free hand tightly, her performing uncovered oral on me, then finishing with me shooting my load over her bod. She has real relaxed easy going character, lots of eye contact and is probably a popular choice for some moneybags visitor who wants an escort for a whole weekend. Incidentally as I left and walked onto Martin Luther Strasse I passed a man on his way in who was probably the one who had made an appointment to see her. 50's, grey hair and wearing a hat with a wavy brim. The type that seem popular with racehorse trainers. Maybe from this forum?

On my second visit I chose Kelly who I'the seen a couple of years previous. She's around 29, natural good looker, gives a great massage and blow job though there was false moaning during the shagging which I found off-putting and my previous encounter with her had been better.

On the final visit I was really under the weather and feeling lifeless having been attired all week for October as opposed to Berlin February temperatures. It was my last day and I was sat on the benches in Zoologischer Garten station deciding whether I was up to it. Popped a Viagra to help and decided to go for it. Choose a blond MILF around 30 years old with a real womanly MILF body. Said she was a Berliner and as she was not on the website I believed her as she knew the non-touristy areas really well. Told her I had the lurgy coming on so there was no kissing but great BJ and shag finishing with me shooting my load over her ample breasts. A really likeable character too and would definitely repeat.

Finally, had a quick couple of day break in Berlin last week. Just one visit to Liberty and again picked a girl not on the website. Uses the name Leah and looks not unlike WTA player Dominika Cibulikova. A pleasing encounter with French kissing, covered BJ, followed by her sitting on top and slamming me, then me shooting my load on her bod. Ended with an extremely pleasant massage. Professional without being too mechanical.

Next mongering probably sometime in August.

[WMach]

All.

I am planning a pleasure trip to berlin. Trip is two and half days and planning to stay at NH near savignyplatz. My plan is as follows.

Day 1. I arrive in the afternoon so plan to visit Liberty, Euphorie massage.

Day 2. Artemis.

Day 3. Art / KD and / or ErlebnisW for GB? Not so sure about ErlebW place and how to get there. If I can't muster the guts then will hit Mon rouge, which seems in the vicinity of the hotel.

I have punted before in US and other places, but first time in Berlin / Germany. I have been planning the trip over last few months and have been reading the forum. Having watched Angus videos and google maps, Berlin already feels familiar. For most part after reading the posts, I think I know what to expect at these bordells and Art.

Can someone help me with a few lingering questions and I continue my prep. One for today is about liberty.

- How much two girl cost for 40 min. 80+80+25+25 = 210? Correct. Translating website it seems 25 per girl for lesbian play.

- If I do anal with one and FT with other, do I pay both girls for anal and FT or only respective girls for the services. This question if for artemis also. If I have CIm iwht one, do I end up paying 50 to each girl although only one took the load in mouth.

- Does any one know about the 300 euro program at Liberty. Does it include girls prices for basic services (french, sex etc) or girls hour is on top of 300. Hence making it 300 +120 euro? Wondering the same for pool service at 160 euro?

Appreciate the great info on this forum.

Thanks

[Praj4]

Flat rate clubs in Berlin—Caligula and KG both are flat rate brothels with better set up than regular RLD but much below in glamour than Artemis type club.

Entrance fee is 80E for unlimited hrs and girls and drinks including beer etc.

Number of babes are 5 typically in afternoon times, FS sampling time is limited to 20 min only, wherein even kissing costs extra. From girls point of view, she gets little and hence may appear uninterested, mechanical and hence unflexible at times, forget any type of GFE activity. However sampling can be done provided your Mr junior is under your control which can be a bit difficult.

[Angus Magee]

Appreciate the great info on this forum.

ThanksGenerally it goes like this. You pay the lady for time and what she herself does. So if you have two women, one does anal and the other FT (this could get complicated with in between washing depending upon just how squeamish are the girls) you will pay each for her time, the regular fee, plus one you will pay for anal, the other FT. If it is a lesbian show you will pay each girl the regular fee plus each a fee for the show. If you cum at the end in one ladies mouth, she will get the FT fee on top.

Where you have to be careful is if you want to avoid paying two FT fees, make it clear what it is you want, who will take the load. If they share it, you are on the hook for two FT fees as they both did FT. This is where it can get unscrupulous on the ladies' parts. As I say, clarify what you want before the heat of passion gets you an extra charge.

As for the Liberty price structure page-as far as I can make it out (and I am pretty sure this is correct) the sum in parentheses is the room fee and is included in the first sum. So the €300 special you are paying €180 to the girl plus €120 room fee for the luxury room. It does not really say this specifically but I know that a regular half hour session is €60 not €60 with €30 tacked on for the room. So I assume all the fees work the same.

AM

[Angus Magee]

Angus looking back I should have, and you summed it just nicely, a wasted shot on goal. Once gain totally new to the German scene and the flat rate thing so was not 100 sure of the etiquette. Now I have been next time I would just walk out on a bitchy girl without question.Well, I am not sure what the "etiquette" would be myself really. I would do it as politely as possible but just let her know that her services would no longer be needed. I would not make a big deal out of it as I would not want to get her in trouble with the boss no matter how bitchy she acted towards me. But as there do seem to be girls there who are interested in giving a decent session, why waste time with the others? As you point out I think it does do to be a little firm in this sort of place as if one hangs around waiting for the girls to make it happen, it probably won't.

AM

[Corinthian]

Http://www.spiritual-tantra.de/en_tantra-berlin-home.html

This is also good address.Thank you, Sir.


If you really do want a good massage in a non-bordello then I do recommend Kashima. It is an expensive massage but it is longer than most, is a very clean environment and the girls are highly trained both in massage and in treating the customer as king.

AMAgain, thank you very much, Sir.

Actually, come to think of it, Kashima isn't really more expensive than other massage establishments. Just checked for instance Aphrodite, and they will charge 190 Euro for a 2 hr session. However, Kashima will only of course offer sessions of a minimum of 2 hrs. So it will e more costly to go to Kashima, since you can get a 1hr session or less at other places.

Also, thanks for reiterating the tip about booking an early appointment with KZ girls.

K

[UShobbyist]

Thank you, Sir.

Again, thank you very much, Sir.

Actually, come to think of it, Kashima isn't really more expensive than other massage establishments. Just checked for instance Aphrodite, and they will charge 190 Euro for a 2 hr session. However, Kashima will only of course offer sessions of a minimum of 2 hrs. So it will e more costly to go to Kashima, since you can get a 1hr session or less at other places.

Also, thanks for reiterating the tip about booking an early appointment with KZ girls.

KI am a little bit confused here. If you pay 190 Euro for 2 hr massage, you can pay the same amount of money to get massage and sex in a brothel. Can't you?

[Ableyone]

All.

I am planning a pleasure trip to berlin. Trip is two and half days and planning to stay at NH near savignyplatz. My plan is as follows.

Day 1. I arrive in the afternoon so plan to visit Liberty, Euphorie massage.

Day 2. Artemis.

Day 3. Art / KD and / or ErlebnisW for GB? Not so sure about ErlebnisW place and how to get there. If I can't muster the guts then will hit Mon rouge, which seems in the vicinity of the hotel.Hello WMach, I can certainly recommend a vist to ErlebnisW, even if you don't partake (most unlikely) it is an experience in itself.

From Savignyplatz make your way to Wilmersdorfer Strasse U-bahn station and take the U7 line in the direction Rudow to Karl-Marx-Strasse. Exit the station from the stairs at the end in the direction that your train is heading, turn left and cross the road, to a doorway between a shop and a hairdressers just ring the bell and in you go.

If its not your thing you could head over to Artemis afterwards as ErlebnisW don't stay open that late, I had planned to do that but in the end I was just too knackered.

[UShobbyist]

Hello WMach, I can certainly recommend a vist to ErlebnisW, even if you don't partake (most unlikely) it is an experience in itself.

From Savignyplatz make your way to Wilmersdorfer Strasse U-bahn station and take the U7 line in the direction Rudow to Karl-Marx-Strasse. Exit the station from the stairs at the end in the direction that your train is heading, turn left and cross the road, to a doorway between a shop and a hairdressers just ring the bell and in you go.

If its not your thing you could head over to Artemis afterwards as ErlebnisW don't stay open that late, I had planned to do that but in the end I was just too knackered.Is Erlebnisw a flat rate club? Do all the customers and girls have to be naked like those FKK clubs? Does the club serve food and drink? Is the club openned in the afternoon? How many girls are there in the club?

[Velo Berlin]

Is Erlebnisw a flat rate club? Do all the customers and girls have to be naked like those FKK clubs? Does the club serve food and drink? Is the club openned in the afternoon? How many girls are there in the club?If you don't mind a bit of reading, all your answers are in this thread :

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?3290-Erlebniswohnung-GangBang-Club-Berlin

Have fun!

VeLo BERLIN

[Vompat]

Hello,

Please, can someone explain what it is?

Thanks in advance,

Vompat

[Rocketboy0]

Is Erlebnisw a flat rate club? Do all the customers and girls have to be naked like those FKK clubs? Does the club serve food and drink? Is the club openned in the afternoon? How many girls are there in the club?USH. All this is on their website, and the ISG thread.

I had a quick look last night at all your posts. Heaps of questions, a few very brief mentions that you have been to a few clubs. But now I think it's high time you give back to the community here with some proper review postings.

[Angus Magee]

I am a little bit confused here. If you pay 190 Euro for 2 hr massage, you can pay the same amount of money to get massage and sex in a brothel. Can't you?Sure you can but the quality of the massage will vary. While having a girl give you a back rub before or after nailing her can be nice, it is by no mean the equivalent to a proper tantra massage.

AM

[TheChinaPole]

I been to Artemis once, loved it. Expensive though (for me).

Angus, have you tried Erlebnisw, what you think? Worth?

[Angus Magee]

I been to Artemis once, loved it. Expensive though (for me).

Angus, have you tried Erlebnisw, what you think? Worth?I have not tried it as Gang Bangs do not really turn me on. I may one day but it is not high on my list.

It is as far as I can tell a very different experience to an FKK. But if you like the public aspect and sharing women it does sound like the only place in town at the moment except for the one-off GB that get arranged from time to time.

AM

[XXL]

I'm contemplating flying to Berlin for a couple of days. I would stay in a hotel and be without my own car. Is there a district with a high concentration of girls, preferably Eros Centers or "Laufhäuser" where you can walk and choose? I mean a district where I would have plenty of opportunities within walking distance from my hotel.

I've never been in Berlin.

On another note, I'd be interested to know what the incidence of VD is after participation in an AO gang-bang. There's worrying news right now about uncurable gonnorhea. It may be confined to Asia for the time being though.

[Sucker17]

i'm contemplating flying to berlin for a couple of days. i would stay in a hotel and be without my own car. is there a district with a high concentration of girls, preferably eros centers or "laufhäuser" where you can walk and choose? i mean a district where i would have plenty of opportunities within walking distance from my hotel.

i've never been in berlin.

on another note, i'd be interested to know what the incidence of vd is after participation in an ao gang-bang. there's worrying news right now about uncurable gonnorhea. it may be confined to asia for the time being though.there's not really the same kind of concentration of eros centers that you're referring to from frankfurt. the places seem more rep001tered around the city of berlin. kurfurstenstrasse is the typical hooker street. i wouldn't recommend it, except if you're turned on by seedy streets, with trafficked girls from romania and bulgaria and with their pimps sitting close by, monitoring what happens. i am by no means an expert of berlin, so i guess you're better off reading the excellent blog of www.angusmagee.com

[Velo Berlin]

I'm contemplating flying to Berlin for a couple of days. I would stay in a hotel and be without my own car. Is there a district with a high concentration of girls, preferably Eros Centers or "Laufhäuser" where you can walk and choose? I mean a district where I would have plenty of opportunities within walking distance from my hotel.The only Laufhaus in Berlin is Freudenhaus Hase, I can recommend it (please read older posts in this thread).

http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/

Cheers,

VeLo BERLIN

[UShobbyist]

If you don't mind a bit of reading, all your answers are in this thread :

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?3290-Erlebniswohnung-GangBang-Club-Berlin

Have fun!

VeLo BERLINThank you very much for your info. I checked their website and found out Saturday was the best day to go. They had 8 to 12 girls on Saturday but had only 2 to 4 girls on Sunday.

[XXL]

I guess you're better off reading the excellent blog of.

www.angusmagee.comI've just read his comprehensive report about the Artemis FKK. It seems this FKK alone is a red-light district in its own right. And it has hotels nearby.

[Rocketboy0]

I'm contemplating flying to Berlin for a couple of days. I would stay in a hotel and be without my own car. Is there a district with a high concentration of girls, preferably Eros Centers or "Laufhäuser" where you can walk and choose? I mean a district where I would have plenty of opportunities within walking distance from my hotel.

On another note, I'd be interested to know what the incidence of VD is after participation in an AO gang-bang. There's worrying news right now about uncurable gonnorhea. It may be confined to Asia for the time being though.X- search Berlin Forum for numerous previous reports re http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/html/modelle.html For 2 houses that approach what you requested. Private apt bordellos IMHO much better deal but the Hase hauser have their charms.

If you chose to stay in what I call the Berliner Triangle (sort of near Kurfurstendam, Adenauerplatz, Savignyplatz, Pariserplatz) you are within walking distance of many of the better bordellos. But with bicycle or excellent transit system and day pass, all easily accessible from anywhere. And as you rightly said, you cannot beat Artemis for the sheer density of choices within walking distance (as in 50 cms).

Your second question-now I am no doctor or medical researcher but it very difficult to find some central statistical office that tracks such things. The most accurate up-to-date info can be obtained just by asking at the door of such AO parties. They claim to do some sort of testing so they might know something, and you could ask. Ideally you would do this before entering, then again when leaving. You could ask in German, with a friendly upbeat tone,"Hallo Leuten, wer hat eine Geschlechtskrankheit? (Hi Folks, who has VD?)". A simple show of hands would suffice unless you want details vs just incidence. Of course this would need to be done with daily followups of all participants, over several months as there are incubation periods and with reputable labs doing all the testing. Good luck with that and do let us know what you find. You know the Forum depends upon the doggedness of its primary field investigators, or as detectives are sometimes known, Dicks.

[Angus Magee]

Just a short addition to RBs post-seriously what kind of info do you expect to get with this AO / STD question other than anecdotal replies depending upon a mongers own predilections and habits? Most guys who use condoms all the time will probably say that uncovered sex is akin to playing Russian Roulette. A guy who bangs street girls daily probably believes he has little chance of catching more than a cold.

But let's face it, unprotected sex carries a risk that is hard to measure as there are just so many variables with infection. One guy can fuck Asian hookers for year and never catch so much as a case of crabs. Another has one AO contact and comes down with hepatitis. One never knows but I think I can say that if you do AO gang bangs you have to be prepared at the very least for the occasional case of the clap or maybe chlamydia.

AM

[Rocketboy0]

Just a short addition to RBs post-seriously what kind of info do yo expect to get with this AO / STD question other than anecdotal replies depending upon a mongers own predilections and habits? Most guys who use condoms all the time will probably say that uncovered sex is akin to playing Russian Roulette. A guy who bangs street girls daily probably believes he has little chance of catching more than a cold.

But let's face it, unprotected sex carries a risk that is hard to measure as there are just so many variables with infection. One guy can fuck Asian hookers for year and never catch so much as a case of crabs. Another has one AO contact and comes down with hepatitis. One never knows but I think I can say that if you do AO gang bangs you have to be prepared at the very least for the occasional case of the clap or maybe chlamydia.

AMIndeed.
And please for you others of a more fundamentalist persuasion (either way), let us not revisit the whole (hole) AO thing here, yet again.
The point is just, credible info impossible.

[WMach]

Thanks for the answers Angus and Ableyone.

I am not finding much on the forum on one more question.

Alternatives to viagra / cialis available in Berlin. A previous post (AM) mentions viagra needs prescription. I have read many people mention blue pill (viagra?) on the forum, so I guess they are bringing it with them.

However are there over the counter alternatives or other places where I can get some energy boosters in pharmacy easily.

Any recommendations are welcome.

Thanks in Advance

[NannyOKnut]

Last week I visited Erlebniswohnung again. I first visited this place when it was in Engelsmassagen I Sonnenalle. Then it was exciting and new and you felt that it was like a group of friends who got together Mustafa even had Bellydancer (no sex) who was appearing a seroius Belly dance.

Then I visited the new place in Karl marx strasse 155, when it had moved to there It was in March of 2011. Also a friendly feeling and it felt not so professionell as it did when I was there last week.

Now you can really that its professinell prostitutes who is working (I know Yvonne and Lisa Marie work as prostitutes in Van Kampen for example).

The rest of the woman is think is "Freelancers"

Its all about getting the next into there mouth or **** and when the ejaculation has come they just scream for the next man to come. It rweally very mechanical, like they were working in coctory or something like that. Mustafa he has full control, and when womens time is up, he go and tell them so, that its time for the next woman "to work".

It really feel that they "are working mechanically".

There are exceptions, like Sophie who is a pearl. Yvonne can "work" on a penis for like 45 minutes without tiring, like she did on mine in September 2011, when I was visiting. After this 45 minutes Mustafa himself joined, so I Had competion over Yvonne, that Mustafa won, but it was after approx. 40 minutes. She doesn t look anyone in the eye she's just working on the penis. I think she's a little autiistic, i mean how can youwork on a penis for thaqt long. And penis after penis for like 6 hours.

But the food and the drink is still great. And also the athmosphere is great. But its too mechanical for me

[LeFouDeBerlin]

Perhaps I intend to go to la Folie during my stay in Berlin next month.

http://www.la-folie.de/index.php?section=home&l=de

Is it a good address? Thank you for your reply.

[Angus Magee]

Hello,

Maybe I'll go to the FKK La Folie during my stay in Berlin.

What do you think of that? Is it a good address?La Folie used to be a great address. Since Artemis opened it seems to have fallen on some harder times. Last two time I went (some 3 years back) I left without doing anything. I guess it depends a bit on your expectation. If you compare it to Artemis the quality of women there is lacking. I also did not like the girls asking for drinks (€21 small bottles of champagne) immediately upon sitting with you.

AM

[Velo Berlin]

Thanks for the report, I don't have the same feeling about girls there being "mechanical", but to each their own! I won't comment on your vision of autism.

By the way, there is now a specific forum for Erlebniswohnung http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?3290-Erlebniswohnung-GangBang-Club-Berlin


Last week I visited Erlebniswohnung again. I first visited this place when it was in Engelsmassagen I Sonnenalle. Then it was exciting and new and you felt that it was like a group of friends who got together Mustafa even had Bellydancer (no sex) who was appearing a seroius Belly dance.

Then I visited the new place in Karl marx strasse 155, when it had moved to there It was in March of 2011. Also a friendly feeling and it felt not so professionell as it did when I was there last week.

Now you can really that its professinell prostitutes who is working (I know Yvonne and Lisa Marie work as prostitutes in Van Kampen for example).

The rest of the woman is think is "Freelancers"

Its all about getting the next into there mouth or * and when the ejaculation has come they just scream for the next man to come. It rweally very mechanical, like they were working in coctory or something like that. Mustafa he has full control, and when womens time is up, he go and tell them so, that its time for the next woman "to work".

It really feel that they "are working mechanically".

There are exceptions, like Sophie who is a pearl. Yvonne can "work" on a penis for like 45 minutes without tiring, like she did on mine in September 2011, when I was visiting. After this 45 minutes Mustafa himself joined, so I Had competion over Yvonne, that Mustafa won, but it was after approx. 40 minutes. She doesn t look anyone in the eye she's just working on the penis. I think she's a little autiistic, I mean how can youwork on a penis for thaqt long. And penis after penis for like 6 hours.

But the food and the drink is still great. And also the athmosphere is great. But its too mechanical for me

[Angus Magee]

It seems that Klien & Zierlich is back in full force, even adding two new girls to the roster. This is the most girls I have ever seen this agency run. Anyone up for taking one for the team and doing some testing?

http://www.klein-zierlich.de/index.html

AM

[Norjan]

When it comes to P4P I have only been at FKK:s.

Maybe I should give brothels a try, maybe it suits me better?

I know the answers is somewhere in the thread but I still ask, the four main brothels to visit is Kamilla la Dee, Van kampen, Liberty and Royal right?

Norjan

[Angus Magee]

When it comes to P4P I have only been at FKK:s.

Maybe I should give brothels a try, maybe it suits me better?

I know the answers is somewhere in the thread but I still ask, the four main brothels to visit is Kamilla la Dee, Van kampen, Liberty and Royal right?

NorjanI might add Mon Rouge to that list though it is a bit more expensive and tends not to have a huge selection at any given time. And there is also Odette's which is also a bit pricier.

http://www.odetteberlin.de/

And close to Artemis (geographically) is Salon Prestige, a very similar bordello to Liberty.

http://salon-prestige-berlin.de/

Certainly if you do not like the company of your fellow mongers and don't care for communal showers the bordello is much more your style. In apartment bordellos they take great care that you never see another punter.The only drawback is that one has to make a pretty quick decision with little info about which girl to chose.

AM

[Norjan]

I might add Mon Rouge to that list though it is a bit more expensive and tends not to have a huge selection at any given time. And there is also Odette's which is also a bit pricier.

http://www.odetteberlin.de/

And close to Artemis (geographically) is Salon Prestige, a very similar bordello to Liberty.

http://salon-prestige-berlin.de/

Certainly if you do not like the company of your fellow mongers and don't care for communal showers the bordello is much more your style. In apartment bordellos they take great care that you never see another punter. The only drawback is that one has to make a pretty quick decision with little info about which girl to chose.

AMThanks man, I think I'll give'them a try.

Is it OK to walk away if you do not fancy any of the girls?

N

[Belvaros]

It seems that Klien & Zierlich is back in full force, even adding two new girls to the roster. This is the most girls I have ever seen this agency run. Anyone up for taking one for the team and doing some testing?

http://www.klein-zierlich.de/index.html

AMSend the Andrea broad over here to Casablanca. I actually have seen her pictures used on websites in the USA and on mundoanuncio in Spain. Got to be a looker if the other putes are copying her pics.

http://www.klein-zierlich.de/escortservice-berlin-andrea.html

Will give her a go when I get back to Berlin at the start of Ramadan (July 20 or so). Going to spend a full month or so touring Germany, Poland and Austria with 2 weeks in Berlin.

Is Krakow worth seeing?

[Angus Magee]

Thanks man, I think I'll give'them a try.

Is it OK to walk away if you do not fancy any of the girls?

NIf you do not like any of the girls just tell them and you are free to go.

AM

[Rocketboy0]

I might add Mon Rouge to that list though it is a bit more expensive and tends not to have a huge selection at any given time. And there is also Odette's which is also a bit pricier.

http://www.odetteberlin.de/

And close to Artemis (geographically) is Salon Prestige, a very similar bordello to Liberty.

http://salon-prestige-berlin.de/

Certainly if you do not like the company of your fellow mongers and don't care for communal showers the bordello is much more your style. In apartment bordellos they take great care that you never see another punter. The only drawback is that one has to make a pretty quick decision with little info about which girl to chose.

AMAnd forget thee not Tiffany / Ritter. http://www.ritter11.de/nutten-berlin.php, which can have some good variety, good prices, and has nice, though lonely showers.

All the above establishments are very clean. So you can put it in after the putzen.

[AColonizer]

Hi, mongers, I am looking for AO with young girls in Germany and I don't want to receive swears by managers and providers. What can you suggest me?

[Angus Magee]

Hi, mongers, I am looking for AO with young girls in Germany and I don't want to receive swears by managers and providers. What can you suggest me?Umm...the AO thread on the ISG forum. Or if you want I will pm to you the web address of a German AO forum. It is in German but for the dedicated monger this should be a minor obstacle.

AM

[UShobbyist]

If you do not like any of the girls just tell them and you are free to go.

AMSo all the brothels in Berlin don't charge entry fees. If you like one of the girls, you stay. If you don't like any of them, you just walk out without any obligation. Are those girls in lingerie or in plain dress?

[UShobbyist]

Is the beer free in Erlebniswohnung?

[Wanking]

See this is on this Friday. http://limo-gangbang-berlin.de/

I'm actually tempted but probably won't bother. Anyone know anything about it??

http://www.berlinintim.de/member/Event/Gangbang-Berlin-20594.html

[Velo Berlin]

Is the beer free in Erlebniswohnung?Yes. There is Pilsner Urquel (a delicious Czech beer) and Wartsteiner in both alcoholic and non-alcoholic variety.

There is a specific thread on the Erlebniswohnung, probably a better place to ask if you have more questions?

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?3290-Erlebniswohnung-GangBang-Club-Berlin

Cheers,

Velo Berlin

[Rocketboy0]

See this is on this Friday.

http://limo-gangbang-berlin.de/

I'm actually tempted but probably won't bother. Anyone know anything about it?

http://www.berlinintim.de/member/Event/Gangbang-Berlin-20594.htmlNot a thing, except I believe Angus and I saw it drive by while we were having a coffee the other day. Very stretched.

Though, it does give new meaning to the petrol / gas station request "Fill 'er up".

[Norjan]

Is there any "high end" escorts in Berlin?

I've googled but are not able to sort out the serious ones.

Anybody who knows?

Norjan

[Il Duca]

Recently I was in Berlin and had the pleasure of meeting Lora. Only outcall.

Great services all around. Bbbjdtcim, DATY, dfk, and more. Very pse. We meet for two hours and the time flew by.

Planning to see her again very soon.

http://loragora.tumblr.com/

[Rocketboy0]

Is there any "high end" escorts in Berlin?

I've googled but are not able to sort out the serious ones. Anybody who knows?

NorjanNorjan-when you search, you must use the phrase "serious high end escorts" and compare with "high end serious escorts".

One gives you the greatest expense; the other their behaviour. You probably want to throw in "seriously clean and hygenic high end."

But, Google being what it is, it might misinterpret high end and return either very tall girls, or ones whose buttocks are tilted upwards.

So be damn careful, as we know you will.

Now, Charlie123 might be your man on all this though he has an eye for value vs just expense. But if you want a decent aggregator of options, you can try this:

http://www.cityoflove.com/EN/germany/berlin/default.aspx

Never done, never would, as I just don't think the eye-candy (admittedly serious eye-candy) worth it. Are they really 2-4X better than what is available at the usual outlets? But as with all luxury goods, there are sellers and there are buyers. No idea how much photoshopping (you can be sure) involved, no idea of actual performance, but seems like a reasonable place to start for the unreasonable.

[CityHunter77]

Recently I was in Berlin and had the pleasure of meeting Lora. Only outcall.

Great services all around. Bbbjdtcim, DATY, dfk, and more. Very pse. We meet for two hours and the time flew by.

Planning to see her again very soon.

http://loragora.tumblr.com/How would you rate her on looks and performance?

[Angus Magee]

How would you rate her on looks and performance?Unless I am mistaken the very post that you quote rates her well.

AM

[Kimino]

Recently I was in Berlin and had the pleasure of meeting Lora. Only outcall.

Great services all around. Bbbjdtcim, DATY, dfk, and more. Very pse. We meet for two hours and the time flew by.

Planning to see her again very soon.

http://loragora.tumblr.com/thanks Il Duca.

Quite intriguing. Looks like I could finally take advantage of the "2 adults" room I usually book in Berlin.

Kimino

[Norjan]

Norjan-when you search, you must use the phrase "serious high end escorts" and compare with "high end serious escorts".

One gives you the greatest expense; the other their behaviour. You probably want to throw in "seriously clean and hygenic high end."

But, Google being what it is, it might misinterpret high end and return either very tall girls, or ones whose buttocks are tilted upwards.

So be damn careful, as we know you will.I did'nt used "high end" when I googled but you had a funny point.

Having a high class, and I mean high class, escort arriving to my hotel room is just a fantasy I need to get out of my system.

Will try it, if I find some one.

N

[Angus Magee]

I did'nt used "high end" when I googled but you had a funny point.

Having a high class, and I mean high class, escort arriving to my hotel room is just a fantasy I need to get out of my system.

Will try it, if I find some one.

NIf that is so I personally would arrange it with a bordello like Kamilla Dee. The cost will be around €200 (maybe a bit more) and you will get the girl you order. There are several "exclusive" agencies in town but I have never heard all that much positive about them. If you search this thread you will find a number of reports about the KD escort service by Bobo. Fr.

AM

[Norjan]

If that is so I personally would arrange it with a bordello like Kamilla Dee. The cost will be around €200 (maybe a bit more) and you will get the girl you order. There are several "exclusive" agencies in town but I have never heard all that much positive about them. If you search this thread you will find a number of reports about the KD escort service by Bobo. Fr.

AMNo brothel escort for this fantasy, I mean a true creme de la creme escort, like the ones you see in the Hollywood movies.

Whats the top notch escorts in Berlin? Need a few agencies to study.

Money: Not an issue.

Report will follow, if I get lucky.

N

[Norjan]

BTW having an escort arriving to your hotel, what do the hotel staff think of this? Is it a normal thing to do in Germany or will they ban me?

N

[Rocketboy0]

BTW having an escort arriving to your hotel, what do the hotel staff think of this? Is it a normal thing to do in Germany or will they ban me?

NN- It is completely normal. The whole country does it. Even grandmothers. The hotel staff will think you are one righteous cool dude. They will only ban you if:

1. She stays overnight and you booked only a single room, or if

2. When she walks into the hotel lobby, you leap out of the chair in which you have been patiently waiting, and greet her by shouting at the top of your lungs:
"Mein Fuehrer, I can valk!" a la Dr. Strangelove.

Charlie123 has explained this ad nausem on this very forum. At least the first part. You might want to PM him about high end stuff.
But if money is really no object, hell, even I might consider it, washing with sterilized soap beforehand of course.
As long as you don't mind beards. But it will cost you.

[Angus Magee]

No brothel escort for this fantasy, I mean a true creme de la creme escort, like the ones you see in the Hollywood movies.Well have at it then. We will commiserate with you the next day after a Roma (Gypsy) crack wh*re shows up at your 4 star hotel and drinks your wet bar dry.

AM

[Norjan]

Charlie, help me out.

NorjaN

[Bobo.fr]

No brothel escort for this fantasy, I mean a true creme de la creme escort, like the ones you see in the Hollywood movies.

Whats the top notch escorts in Berlin? Need a few agencies to study.

Money: Not an issue.

Report will follow, if I get lucky.

NI don't like that arrogance but apparently you are asking for help :

http://www.venusescorts.com/en/escortservice/berlin

[Kimino]

It's a game!

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssss!
:)


Kimino

[Velo Berlin]

Hi all,

Milena was my "regular girl", see my post here summing up our past meetings :

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1275359&viewfull=1#post1275359

I hadn't seen her in a few months, Erlebniswohnung was taking up all my mongering budget at the time. I wanted to see if I could go back to the one on one, GFE type of sex. This visit was back in late May.

Sadly the old "romance" is gone. We had a nice connexion while it lasted but at that time I saw her almost once a week.

Anyway she did recognize me but did not comment about my loss of weight since we last met (I lost almost 10% of my total weight in those few months). She wasn't in the greatest shape herself that day, maybe tired, maybe put on a little weight. I noticed a large scratch on her back with a patch of dried up blood.

I was very horny and excited nonetheless and sexwise we had about the same as in the past, heavy petting, DFK, blowjob. 69, sex in missionary, doggy and back to missionary, I blew a huge load in the condom!

However I felt she was on autopilot, lots of winks, fake noises, etc. She had this attitude just once in the past, and just briefly (I gave her a puzzled look and she stopped).

Sadly I think this is the end to our story as I can't afford to go back to seeing her weekly and afford a monthly visit to Erlebniswohnung at the same time. I hesitate to go to Hase now and try and see another girl, at least when she's on the roster on a specific day.

Cheers,

Velo Berlin

[Kimino]

I don't like that arrogance but apparently you are asking for help :

http://www.venusescorts.com/en/escortservice/berlinWhen I see these level of prices for girls my mind always goes to Pulp Fiction and the $5 shake issue.

Ahahaha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoJAc_aSM7E

Kimino

[Velo Berlin]

Hi all,

I read about this girl in a German forum, Poppreport. Com.

The guy that wrote the report said she was a young Romanian girl, maybe 18 or 19, 20 at most, with a spectacular body, but very inexperienced. He said also the photos on the website didn't do her justice.

Photos on the Freudenhaus Hase website are here :

http://laufhaus-berlin.com/html/ina.html

I was horny and Milena (who I'm trying to avoid since our "break-up") wasn't there that day according to the website. Romanians don't have the greatest reputation in the sex business but I decided to give Ina a try!

She was in the right hand side building on the ground floor, it's a very nice and large bedroom with a four poster bed and a very good connecting bathroom with shower. I've been there before with Amelie.

Ina has indeed a spectacular young body, slim, great skin, pretty face, beautiful eyes, shaved pussy, hair dyed blonde (she said it was red only recently). She's nice enough, speaks little German but good English and decent French too.

We both got naked and got on the big bed, apparently she's very passive and waits for the customer to make his moves. The only thing she did was lightly scratching and caressing my nipples and torso, that seemed to be her limit in foreplay. It soon became obvious that she wasn't going to give me a blowjob, although to be fair I didn't ask, so I proceeded to lick her pussy (nice!) , stroking my dick to achieve sufficient hardness to be able to penetrate her.

Condom on, I fucked her missionary, then doggy for 10 minutes or so. After I finally came, she literally jumped off the bed to get on the sofa and read the messages on her phone, ignoring me totally. Oh well, this was nice enough and all in all a great experience, fucking a model-like teenager that could be in the central pages of Playboy or Penthouse easy, all that for 30 €/20 minutes.

If you're into beautiful nubile girls and are not deterred by passivity, by all means giver her a try, you won't be disapointed!

Cheers,

VeLo BERLIN

[Rocketboy0]

When I see these level of prices for girls my mind always goes to Pulp Fiction and the $5 shake issue.KiminoWhen I see those prices, my mind goes to becoming one of those girls.

A week on my back would pay for the operations and hormones, and then it's pure poon profits.

Living in another universe.

and Velo - as Tony Soprano once said, "Sorry for your loss".
Commercial sex and emotional attachment is a bad mix.
But I think what you went through is also part of the Hase house business model. You might consider alternatives?

[Norjan]

I don't like that arrogance but apparently you are asking for help :

http://www.venusescorts.com/en/escortservice/berlinThanks bobo, really appreciate.

One of the girls, a fantasy available!

Only problem, she is not in Berlin.

Norjan

[Angus Magee]

When I see those prices, my mind goes to becoming one of those girls.

A week on my back would pay for the operations and hormones, and then it's pure poon profits.No disrespect intended RB but considering your visage et. al. I would think a week might be a bit optimistic.

;)

AM

[Bobo.fr]

Thanks bobo, really appreciate.

One of the girls, a fantasy available!

Only problem, she is not in Berlin.

NorjanMost of them can travel : give a call to the agency

[Angus Magee]

I don't like that arrogance but apparently you are asking for help :

http://www.venusescorts.com/en/escortservice/berlinOut of curiosity and a certain "need to know", have you actually used this agency Bobo and found them to be reputable?

AM

[Bobo.fr]

Out of curiosity and a certain "need to know", have you actually used this agency.

AMNo Angus.

Have a nice week-end (especially in finding us new "places"!)

[Rocketboy0]

No disrespect intended RB but considering your visage et. al. I would think a week might be a bit optimistic.;)AMThis is respect? I'm calling Chrissy and Pauli to confirm.

But I guess, you have talked me out of it. I've only got the showers at Arts Bahnhoff left to imagine would could have been.

[Charlie 123]

It seems that Klien & Zierlich is back in full force, even adding two new girls to the roster. This is the most girls I have ever seen this agency run. Anyone up for taking one for the team and doing some testing?

http://www.klein-zierlich.de/index.html

AMHi,

Been busy recently, so I haven't been keeping up with the news from the Haupstadt sex scene but I did also notice today that there is now a larger line-up than ever before at KZ. This may well not be a good thing, quality control and all that stuff. A couple of the new girls look pretty ordinary and the 'zierlich' factor ain't what it was with most of the girls being 170cm+, whereas little cuties used to be very much the order of the day with KZ.

Nicole looks the cutest of the new bunch to me, followed by Michelle. I am in town in a week or so, and the likelihood is that I will have news to report.

C

[Charlie 123]

I did'nt used "high end" when I googled but you had a funny point.

Having a high class, and I mean high class, escort arriving to my hotel room is just a fantasy I need to get out of my system.

Will try it, if I find some one.

NWhat do you mean by 'High Class? ', that's the issue, isn't it?

I mean, one could argue that really high class girls don't do escorting at all. There's not a great deal of it amongst the British aristocracy for instance, and that's about the only 'high class' community that I am prepared to recognise.

More seriously, I don't believe that these premium agencies have any greater access to 'high class' girls than any of their cheaper competitors. The more expensive girls may be more classically beautiful than the cheaper escorts, and some may offer a more intimate / better service (even more doubtful) , but I truly believe that even 500E per hour will not guarantee you both, and you may well get neither.

FWIW, the only 'high class' agency that ever caught my eye is this one:-

http://www.mistress-greta-brentano.com/#intro.php

This MAY be a classy operation. Please let me know if you do decide to try it out.

Best.

C

[Charlie 123]

I don't like that arrogance but apparently you are asking for help :

http://www.venusescorts.com/en/escortservice/berlinWhat arrogance? The fact that he said money is no object? WTF is wrong with that. It's just pricing information to facilitate responses to his very specific enquiry. It's just as appropriate to state 'price no object' as it is to explain that one is a budget mongerer looking for value at the lower end of the price spectrum. I really don't think that he's trying to show off in any way.

Your new government is about to effectively throw all the rich people out of France Bobo, but we don't really need that sort of economic cleansing excercised on this forum.

I'm sure that you are a top guy, and you've certainly made countless valuable contributions to these pages, but that was a poor effort on your part.

Best wishes

C

[Angus Magee]

What arrogance? The fact that he said money is no object? WTF is wrong with that. It's just pricing information to facilitate responses to his very specific enquiry. It's just as appropriate to state 'price no object' as it is to explain that one is a budget mongerer looking for value at the lower end of the price spectrum. I really don't think that he's trying to show off in any way.

Your new government is about to effectively throw all the rich people out of France Bobo, but we don't really need that sort of economic cleansing excercised on this forum.

I'm sure that you are a top guy, and you've certainly made countless valuable contributions to these pages, but that was a poor effort on your part.

Best wishes.

CI kind of understood it a bit differently-that Norjan was snubbing the Kamilla Dee crew simply because they worked at a bordello. Maybe not arrogance as I know it (but then Bobo's mother tongue is not English) rather a certain type of (In My Always So Humble Opinion) short sighted snobbery. I say short sighted because often, if you track this sort of thing which I no longer do, the top priced girls are simply baiting their hooks with different bait when angling for the high flying pooner. By this I mean that some girls will set themselves with a couple of Id's on different sites and price them differently. So if you happen to come across their higher priced ad you pay the gold price. The same girl can be had for €100-200 cheaper if one finds her on a lesser site. A girl I knew from Artemis who then went on the escorting told me of this practice. Nothing wrong with it, just to realise that the price a girl puts on her pussy is oftn flexible if one know where and how to look. This particular girl I am sure gave her top service at either price.

So what is not clear with Norjan is whether or not he simply has a desire to pay a whopping great price for a girl, if he has some sort of S&M economic fetish to subdue? If all he wants is a very "high class" girl who will give good service I stand by my KD recommendation, or maybe Royal if he wants an un-coverd BJ.

If he simply wants to pay a lot then he should just look for the highest price and maybe offer her more?

I also have the feeling that many top girls do not advertise so openly on the web in the obvious places and do not offer their services by the hour. Diner and drinks along with a good night of sex would be the minimum and could run quite a bit more than €1500-2000 plus expenses.

AM

[Rocketboy0]

Norjan. Man, have you stirred up a shit storm here. Look what all this has started, taking us away from field reports, in the middle of summer bung season.

Anyway, I want to warn you. Just because you may be able to order some high class ho, that does not mean she won't have some high class germs.
Or even low class germs. Germs so low class even high class antiseptic soap won't be able to remove 'em.

So no matter how posh her accent, education, and upbringing, you must remain vigilant. Vaginas cleanius maximus. Semper thigh.

[Charlie 123]

I kind of understood it a bit differently-that Norjan was snubbing the Kamilla Dee crew simply because they worked at a bordello. Maybe not arrogance as I know it (but then Bobo's mother tongue is not English) rather a certain type of (In My Always So Humble Opinion) short sighted snobbery. I say short sighted because often, if you track this sort of thing which I no longer do, the top priced girls are simply baiting their hooks with different bait when angling for the high flying pooner. By this I mean that some girls will set themselves with a couple of I'd's on different sites and price them differently. So if you happen to come across their higher priced ad you pay the gold price. The same girl can be had for €100-200 cheaper if one finds her on a lesser site. A girl I knew from Artemis who then went on the escorting told me of this practice. Nothing wrong with it, just to realise that the price a girl puts on her pussy is oftn flexible if one know where and how to look. This particular girl I am sure gave her top service at either price.

So what is not clear with Norjan is whether or not he simply has a desire to pay a whopping great price for a girl, if he has some sort of S&M economic fetish to subdue? If all he wants is a very "high class" girl who will give good service I stand by my KD recommendation, or maybe Royal if he wants an un-coverd BJ.

If he simply wants to pay a lot then he should just look for the highest price and maybe offer her more?

I also have the feeling that many top girls do not advertise so openly on the web in the obvious places and do not offer their services by the hour. Diner and drinks along with a good night of sex would be the minimum and could run quite a bit more than €1500-2000 plus expenses.

AMMaybe I mis-understood Bobo's objection. Advance apologies to him if I maligned him unreasonably.

Norjan no doubt can speak for himself, but I interpreted that he was looking for unbridled quality at whatever price it comes at. I believe that excellence is the driver of his quest, not cost. I reckon that he was merely seeking to emphasise that, at whatever the expense, he is looking for that 'once in a lifetime' experience with a Charlie Sheen-class hooker, just as for instance another person might once go out on a limb to satisfy a lifetime urge to have a threesome. I can certainly empathise with the desire to taste just once the finest delights that the escort industry has to offer, why not?

I suspect however that we are however of the same mind whereby he is unlikely to find it in Berlin, and moreover price discrimination is by no means the best method of discerning quality in the Berlin market. What you say about girls advertising themselves at different rates is absolutely correct, and splashing out 500E / hr might merely get you a 200E / hr girl who just got very lucky with your choice of website.

As I suggested to Norjan in a PM, I don't think the elite hookers work in Berlin. I think that the top dollar girls are to be found in the big financial centres like London, NY, Moscow etc where people like to party for big money. Berlin is not a rich city nor is it a draw for the financial big-hitters. But I don't truly know and I suspect that nobody on this forum would know. If I wanted to find out the answer for sure, I'd cosy up to a few of the regs at Artemis, a couple of the Gold Rolex brigade, and ask them the score. I'm sure they'd know.

Best.

C

[Velo Berlin]

Your new government is about to effectively throw all the rich people out of France Bobo, but we don't really need that sort of economic cleansing excercised on this forum.Cheap shot IMVHO, let's keep politics off limits on those forums shall we?

Cheers,

VeLo Berlin

[Bobo.fr]

What arrogance?
No brothel escort for this fantasy, I mean a true creme de la creme escort, .Personnally I feel a partial "a priori" disregard, disdain towards those ladies who choose to work in brothels.


Your new government is about to effectively throw all the rich people out of France Bobo, but we don't really need that sort of economic cleansing excercised on this forum.Do we need this kind of political discussions in this forum?

[Rocketboy0]

Charlie-we were just wondering as to your whereabouts recently so nice to see you back on the grid.

Don't completely agree with your Berlin assessment. The concentration of wealth and thus those expensive moths drawn to such flames is of course no where near what it is in the big financial or power capitals. However, while not over the top the way it is in London, NY. LA, or say various Middle Eastern hotbeds, it is surely here. Berlin is a powerful seat of government, it has a large constellation of global media firms, surprising biotech sector, and more than enough wealth to accommodate a number of pricey tutes. While the sheer quantity of expensive booty is, as you say lacking, it is surely available. Case in point the old Bel Ami villa, and there are various websites pushing high rates for high rollers.

What IMHO works against this is that compared too all these other cities, Berlin has 3 somewhat unusual conditions. First, much higher rates of youth unemployment, which pushes girls to other modes of revenue generating, so you have a large supply. Second a long cultural history of being tolerant (minimal legal restrictions) and wild re all things sexual, so it is not just a such a big deal here. The result is a fair bit of downward price pressure. In most other power poon cities, the supply (relative to population size) and cultural taboos work the other way. It is no accident that the Mayor of Berlin once said,"Berlin is poor but sexy", as indeed it is. It would be more than a little interesting to know how much financial punch all things sexual have in the Berlin economy, as I guess it is surprisingly significant. There is a third contributing factor-Berlin remains by far the least expensive big capital and cultural city in perhaps the Northern Hemisphere. All costs are lower so all prices are lower. With so much inexpensive (and we must admit, good quality) supply, it is more difficult here to even find, yet alone justify, high ho rates. A final lesser aspect is that Berlin has always had a tinge of modesty about silly prices for anything - having been through so much hell, being a vaguely lefty place, always in the view of the DDR etc. Berlin was and is proud of small excesses, like the KDW dept store and of late the odd parade of Ferraris and Lambos that like to cruise in front of it. But culturally, lavish sums thrown recklessly about are just frowned upon. Berliner are literally frugal fuckers.

There is another aspect to all this-as Jack Nicholson once said,"we don't pay hookers for sex; we pay them to go away afterwards". Similarly the rich and famous have more worries about privacy and are willing (indeed must) pay more to have their little escapades remain private. And even then it doesn't always work as in DSK or the governor of New York State Eliot Sp(r)itzer prove. In Berlin, people would raise a few eyebrows but not give such a shit, unless say Angie M was caught pole dancing somewhere. What an example that second job would set for the Greeks to get more industrious in tough times.

In their defense, what little I know of Bobo, he is beyond reproach. Norjan has his whacky yet endearing eccentricities. While I think his high class fantasy is more than a little delusional, the idea of being with an educated, cultured, interesting courtesan is not. Artemis conversations can be legendary in their nothingness. It is almost by definition difficult to find elegant, refined, cultured and volcanic women in the business because, as Charlie rightly said, such women have no problem attracting men and usually find the solution of marriage with an affair here and there safer, simpler, and more lucrative over the long haul.

Norjan-I can only say that the Richard Gere / Charlie Sheen (a bad example as he was with a number of low lifers) fantasy better be worth it because it can easily become a classic case of "be careful what you wish for". The pressure to justify the expense, the pressure to perform, etc may act like little worms in your brain. Also, the high price puts huge pressure on the women who feel they will have to be some ultimate something and submit to their renter's every whim. I cannot justify it, though I will sheepishly admit once or twice to having tried, not to achieve some vicarious aristocratic thrill (Count von RB is not moved by such things) but rather just because they were scorchingly hot. Was it worth it to me? No. In flagrante, it did require a deliberate meditation to ratchet back pressure and expectations and just calmly let things flow. Maybe being able to do this, to overcome the pressure part is part of the fantasy and proving of one`s manliness. For me, it was a surprising pain in the ass. Ultimately the sessions were nice, but really, not worth it. Kimino's $5 shake reference applies.

I think the sweet spot is right in the middle (no pun intended this time). Just find a great girl, easy and nice to talk with, who has a brain, who does not charge an arm and a leg, where there is low pressure on both sides to allow a bit of genuine chemistry and mutual attraction, to flow, without all sorts of baggage. And that brother mongers, with some effort to be sure, is most def available here in Ho Haupstadt.

My 2 bits. Anyway, the drugs are starting to wear off and boys, it is sunny summer time in Berlin, nymphets and nymphos are über alles. So perhaps let us just maybe return to our roots here. I for one am waiting for Wanking to report on his decidedly down-market adventures in Berlin the past few days. RB

[Belvaros]

Charlie-we were just wondering as to your whereabouts recently so nice to see you back on the grid.

Don't completely agree with your Berlin assessment. The concentration of wealth and thus those expensive moths drawn to such flames is of course no where near what it is in the big financial or power capitals. However, while not over the top the way it is in London, NY. LA, or say various Middle Eastern hotbeds, it is surely here. Berlin is a powerful seat of government, it has a large constellation of global media firms, surprising biotech sector, and more than enough wealth to accommodate a number of pricey tutes. While the sheer quantity of expensive booty is, as you say lacking, it is surely available. Case in point the old Bel Ami villa, and there are various websites pushing high rates for high rollers.

I for one am waiting for Wanking to report on his decidedly down-market adventures in Berlin the past few days. RBGreat points mate. I am trying to think of a city of the import of Berlin as cheap AND GREAT as Berlin (all round cost of housing, living, food, wine, sports, trim etc). I have lived in 28 major world cities, never in Berlin but outside of say Sydney, Australia with its perfect set-up in all ways (I rate it a 98/100 town). As far as "cold weather" towns, NY has its big pluses (90/100) BUT for colder climate places, Berlin seems to be the bees knees for me. If I get the chance I will move here.

[Kimino]

These two clubs share the same address, Grunewaldstraße 23.

Anyone has info on this? Anyone visited "Sex in the citi"? Only found a very old report with not much details.

Also, I'm stuck with this list: Prestige, Royal, VK, Tiffany, Liberty, Odette, Monrouge, (KD). Any new places in this price / quality range?

Ciao.

Kimino

[Angus Magee]

These two clubs share the same address, Grunewaldstraße 23.

Anyone has info on this? Anyone visited "Sex in the citi"? Only found a very old report with not much details.

Also, I'm stuck with this list: Prestige, Royal, VK, Tiffany, Liberty, Odette, Monrouge, (KD). Any new places in this price / quality range?

Ciao.

KiminoHi Kimino,

That list is pretty complete unless you want to start exploring a lower range bordellos in Neuköln, Wedding, Pankow, Steiglitz and a couple others.

As for the other

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8105U1WY9ro

AM

[ZimmerBaby]

Ciao.

KiminoCeline 69

My verdict ****

http://www.celine-69.de/girl.php?gid=6

Good and relaxed athmosphere, nice quiet girl with a beautiful smile. Imagine a Polish Mona Lisa. 45 minutes 80 E included 2 x BBBJ FS. No kissing (extra?). GFE potential high. Will repeat.

[Rocketboy0]

Berlin seems to be the bees knees for me. If I get the chance I will move here.B-For a swashbuckling buckeroo man-of-the-world such as yourself, there is only one suitable solution: Baghdad. Berlin way too tame for a man of your talents. You will get bored. With your grasp of cultures, the Green Zone beckons. You can turn into the Red Zone.

[Exon123]

Last night was my first night in Berlin. I'd been Mongering like a Rock Star for 4 days, with a group of 8 Mongers in Frankfurt at the FKK Clubs, (including the administrator of this Forum) , and was completely Drained.

The Hotel recomended a certain area in town for dinner and I ended up in this Bar. http://bellinilounge.de/wordpress/

Up and down that street, about every 50 yards, was a a gorgeous Street Walker, so I had to stop and interview a couple of them. The price I was quoted was $80 Euro for 1 hour.

Well I sat down at the Bar and started talking to this friendly German guy and he gave me the run down. The girls are Clean and are checked every two weeks and you get what you pay for.

I'm going over there again tonight, but will probably Pass, since I'm still recovering from the Frankfurt FKK Clubs, but these girls at $80 Euro an hour seem like a good value and I thought I'd pass it along.

Exon

[Angus Magee]

Last night was my first night in Berlin. I'd been Mongering like a Rock Star for 4 days, with a group of 8 Mongers in Frankfurt at the FKK Clubs, (including the administrator of this Forum) , and was completely Drained.

The Hotel recomended a certain area in town for dinner and I ended up in this Bar.

http://bellinilounge.de/wordpress/

Up and down that street, about every 50 yards, was a a gorgeous Street Walker, so I had to stop and interview a couple of them. The price I was quoted was $80 Euro for 1 hour.

Well I sat down at the Bar and started talking to this friendly German guy and he gave me the run down. The girls are Clean and are checked every two weeks and you get what you pay for.

I'm going over there again tonight, but will probably Pass, since I'm still recovering from the Frankfurt FKK Clubs, but these girls at $80 Euro an hour seem like a good value and I thought I'd pass it along.

ExonWell good luck to you. I have to wonder if you were not speaking with one of the girl's pimps. I have never heard anything good about the Oranienburgstr. Hookers here or on the German forums. The Germans steer clear more or less completely as they know what that €80 will get you-into the room where the up sell starts. Everything from taking off the bra to touching the breasts will be a few more euros.

Prove me wrong. But I think a safer bet would be Artemis.

A

[Brasil007]

I will be berlin next month.

Can you recommand a young lady at

Kishima for massage&65311;

Can I touch the body (eg. Breast, even the pussy)

Of the young lady when I enjoy the massage

[Angus Magee]

I will be berlin next month.

Can you recommand a young lady at

Kishima for massage&65311;

Can I touch the body (eg. Breast, even the pussy)

Of the young lady when I enjoy the massageNo you will not be able to touch the girl at Kashima. If you want that best try a massage parlour, Maybe Ekstase or Harmonie. But still here everything is YMMV.

AM

[Exon123]

Well good luck to you. I have to wonder if you were not speaking with one of the girl's pimps. I have never heard anything good about the Oranienburgstr. Hookers here or on the German forums. The Germans steer clear more or less completely as they know what that €80 will get you-into the room where the up sell starts. Everything from taking off the bra to touching the breasts will be a few more euros.

Prove me wrong. But I think a safer bet would be Artemis.

AI'm just reporting what I saw and was told. I did Not sample any of the product.

Your more than likely right, Berlin is an expensive town and $80 Euro may not be the right number, but that's what they were quoting

[WarmStone25]

Last night was my first night in Berlin. I'd been Mongering like a Rock Star for 4 days, with a group of 8 Mongers in Frankfurt at the FKK Clubs, (including the administrator of this Forum) , and was completely Drained.

The Hotel recomended a certain area in town for dinner and I ended up in this Bar.

http://bellinilounge.de/wordpress/

Up and down that street, about every 50 yards, was a a gorgeous Street Walker, so I had to stop and interview a couple of them. The price I was quoted was $80 Euro for 1 hour.

Well I sat down at the Bar and started talking to this friendly German guy and he gave me the run down. The girls are Clean and are checked every two weeks and you get what you pay for.

I'm going over there again tonight, but will probably Pass, since I'm still recovering from the Frankfurt FKK Clubs, but these girls at $80 Euro an hour seem like a good value and I thought I'd pass it along.

ExonPart of my previous report was about these street girls. I refer you to this report.

What they said to me was that if you wanted pussyfuck (as they called it) you could negotiate in the room a price over and above the 80e. The sugested price was 100 to 150e. This could bring the overall cost to 230e. You could have two sessions in Artemis for 260e. I saw a video on another well known web site which showed one of these sexy good looking girls being interviewed by an American man. When asked the price the answer was 230e for sex. This agrees with what I was told.

I was not tempted by their offers to negotiate in a room. Most of them were big strong girls who looked as if they could look after themselves. I would not like to get into a disagreement with them.

[WarmStone25]

I'm just reporting what I saw and was told. I did Not sample any of the product.

Your more than likely right, Berlin is an expensive town and $80 Euro may not be the right number, but that's what they were quotingRefer to my previous report on page 10.

[WarmStone25]

I'm just reporting what I saw and was told. I did Not sample any of the product.

Your more than likely right, Berlin is an expensive town and $80 Euro may not be the right number, but that's what they were quotingRefer to my previous report on page 10.

[BorisDS]

Recently I had to go to Berlin for business and was curious how the sex scene was. It was more than 10 years ago that I visited the city for the last time. I did some research on this forum and 3 places attracted my curiosity, Erlebniswohnung, Caligula, and of course Artemis. Unfortunately I had only a few hours of freedom at the end of the evening, so the Erlebniswohnung was not an option as they close at 10pm, and I thought that rushing through Artemis was a shame.

I read the mostly negative reviews of Caligula but decided to go there anyhow. If I didn't like it, I could have at least some free drinks. The club was actually quite close to my hotel, but as it was raining I took a taxi to this 'special place' as the cab driver called it.

After paying the 99 Euros fee and passing through the entry I was immediately received by a lady asking me if this was my first time to the club, and if I needed some explanation. At first I was cautious and was expecting some kind of up-selling, or rip-off story. In fact this girl seemed to be the person managing the place, and gave me a brief explanation of what I already read on their website: free drinks, and 20 minutes sex (BJ & intercourse, all with a condom) with any girl. She mentioned that there were about 12 girls present that evening.

I decided to sit at the bar, have a drink, and watch the scene. There were about 20 men, and it seemed indeed that there were around 12 girls. The place has a large L-shaped bar on one side. 2 stages for the girls in the middle and some tables and seats at the other end. Girls who are available are 'dancing' on stage and wait for a guy to contact them. I did not see any girl going to a guy, except when she had one waiting for her.

After a while I had figured out which were the most popular girls of this club, as soon as they returned from their room, they had at least one guy waiting for them. My personal theory is to avoid those girls (although they are usually the most good looking ones) because their service usually is poor. Instead I tried to figure out which one was not too bored, in a good mood, and looking for some action.

I decided to go for dark haired one, slim body, not too young, who appeared to be from Greece (sorry forgot her name). After asking her if she wanted to go with me to the room, I got a big smile and followed her to the back of place. After passing a door I entered a corridor with a number of small rooms left and right. Her room was small, with a matrass on the floor, a small sink, and on the wall a menu with the options she offered. I had a small chat with her to figure out which option she did not like (it was anal) , so I decided to go for BBBCTJ for 20 Euros. The overall experience was very good, she was not in a hurry at all, allowed me to touch her, and gave me what I asked for.

When returning to the main room I noticed that the atmosphere had changed slightly, a couple of guys who apparently drank quite a bit had entered. This was also the first time that I saw that a guy (who was not behaving very well) was rejected by one girl after the other. While observing the scene the girl who was managing the place came back and asked me if I was with a girl already, and if everything was OK.

I decided to check my theory about the most popular girls again, but now from the other angle, so I decided to pick a very hot looking dark haired one. She took me to her room, mentioned that she did not offer any options. And the rest of the story is as I expected. But it is nice to just fuck a great looking girl as well.

Overall I liked my couple of hours in Caligula and will come back there. However, next time I'll make sure to have a little more time in Berlin and check out the other clubs.

[Nickc]

Your new government is about to effectively throw all the rich people out of France BoboGive me France any day, The US is out of date.

[Brasil007]

No you will not be able to touch the girl at Kashima. If you want that best try a massage parlour, Maybe Ekstase or Harmonie. But still here everything is YMMV.

AMHi, AM, so kind guy. If I expect really good massage (professional) and final sex together, which place will be ideal.

[Rocketboy0]

Give me France any day, The US is out of date.I am not aware of either of these bordellos in Berlin. Do you have addresses or weblinks, that are not out of date?

[Angus Magee]

Hi, AM, so kind guy. If I expect really good massage (professional) and final sex together, which place will be ideal.Best look to a bordello for that. While sex at a massage parlour is not unheard of, it is rare and probably requires that you develops a relationship with the girl where by she trusts you (and maybe likes you) enough to offer it. Massage parlours are not bordellos and most enquiries will be rejected.

The websites are not so hard to find using the usual methods.

AM

[Neworlean]

Kamilla Dee: I was disappointed by the lineup. The website has ton of women on it, but when I arrived I was only shown two girls. I was told that the other girls were occupied. Upon leaving I saw three additional girls. My problem with this place is the small selection. The price is in on the internet which I is 80 Euros for 30 minutes. The place would be better if they had more of a selection.

[Rocketboy0]

Kamilla Dee: I was disappointed by the lineup. The website has ton of women on it, but when I arrived I was only shown two girls. I was told that the other girls were occupied. Upon leaving I saw three additional girls. My problem with this place is the small selection. The price is in on the internet which I is 80 Euros for 30 minutes. The place would be better if they had more of a selection.You had a somewhat similar experience at Artemis (see thread) and my comments apply here re RTTF and summer and time. Not sure from your report if this was Saturday (less choices) vs during the week (more choices), as the bordellos are some what counter to the Artemis cycle which actually is a good thing. Not sure what you mean in your "price" sentence, but perhaps it is a coded message intended for The Circus.

KD clearly posts who is at least scheduled and when, each day. You have only yourself to blame if you have not called ahead to at least check availability to improve your odds, even if you don't want to make a booking.

Of course, all mongers would love to just pitch up and be greeted by 20 available, dripping, nubile GFEs. Bordellos just don't work that way and you ignore the Borg-like wisdom of the Forum at your peril.

[Txl Muc]

One of the previous girls actually turned up at anothe agency, http://www.newsescort.de/girl.php?gid=%2069.


Hi,

A couple of the new girls look pretty ordinary and the 'zierlich' factor ain't what it was with most of the girls being 170cm+, whereas little cuties used to be very much the order of the day with KZ.

Nicole looks the cutest of the new bunch to me, followed by Michelle. I am in town in a week or so, and the likelihood is that I will have news to report.

C

[Neworlean]

Like I said in my other post, my travel / work schedule does not generally allow me to stay in a certain city for to many consecutive days. But I think this place is better than Artemis because you don't have to pay an entry fee and you can leave if you don't see anything you like. I would return to this place. Work is my first priority and hobbying is my second. I am just trying to provide an accurate report of what happened when I visited.

And just so you know in South America there are many bordella's with 20 girls waiting.


You had a somewhat similar experience at Artemis (see thread) and my comments apply here re RTTF and summer and time. Not sure from your report if this was Saturday (less choices) vs during the week (more choices) , as the bordellos are some what counter to the Artemis cycle which actually is a good thing. Not sure what you mean in your "price" sentence, but perhaps it is a coded message intended for The Circus.

KD clearly posts who is at least scheduled and when, each day. You have only yourself to blame if you have not called ahead to at least check availability to improve your odds, even if you don't want to make a booking.

Of course, all mongers would love to just pitch up and be greeted by 20 available, dripping, nubile GFEs. Bordellos just don't work that way and you ignore the Borg-like wisdom of the Forum at your peril.

[CherchezFemme]

Hello all. I will be in Berlin Schonefeld for an approx 7. 5 hr layover. I figure that minus taxi time to and from the airport and other delays, I may have 3-3. 5 hours or so to have fun.

Keeping in mind this 3 hour window, what is my best bet? Rather than an FKK with its entrance fee, I think I would prefer a bordello or private apartment or even a single provider.

Recommendations please!

As usual, I will report back.

[Bobo.fr]

. Etc.

And just so you know in South America there are many bordella's with 20 girls waiting.I'm afraid that you can not find such (big) brothels in Berlin : probably Angus can confirm that.

To a (some) forumer (s) :

Everybody can spend the money he wants for sex but I'm afraid that's a great mistake to think that :

1) meetings can be nice ONLY if we spend a lot of money.

2) ladies who work in brothels can not provide nice meetings

[Bobby Cph]

With that amount of time you have an infinite number of choices. But KD, Royal and Liberty are so close-up by each other that you will find something you fancy there.


Hello all. I will be in Berlin Schonefeld for an approx 7. 5 hr layover. I figure that minus taxi time to and from the airport and other delays, I may have 3-3. 5 hours or so to have fun.

Keeping in mind this 3 hour window, what is my best bet? Rather than an FKK with its entrance fee, I think I would prefer a bordello or private apartment or even a single provider.

Recommendations please!

As usual, I will report back.

[Kimino]

Hello all. I will be in Berlin Schonefeld for an approx 7. 5 hr layover. I figure that minus taxi time to and from the airport and other delays, I may have 3-3. 5 hours or so to have fun.

Keeping in mind this 3 hour window, what is my best bet? Rather than an FKK with its entrance fee, I think I would prefer a bordello or private apartment or even a single provider.

Recommendations please!

As usual, I will report back.Ciao.

As Bobby Cph was saying, in the same area you have Royal, KD and VanKampen. All in 15/20 min walk range, with Royal and VanKampen at the extremes.

Taxi from schonefeld will take some 20/30 min depending on the time of day. If I remeber correctly I usually pay around 30/40 euros from Artemis (or that area) to Schonefeld.

By public transport you will pay around 3 euros and it will take approx the double time. You will save a lot of money, if that's an issue.

So you will probably have more than 3. 5 hr to have fun.

It really depends what you want to do. In a brothel, you go there, pick the girl, fuck and leave. If you want to have more than one girl you wil need to exit, go to the next bothel and start over. This assuming that the different brothels all have a lineup that matches your tastes. This depends from the time of the day.

If you go to an FKK, you go direct there, you have a girl, relax, have a sauna, eat, then another girl and so on. When time is up you go back to the airport. No walking around, looking for places etc.

This assuming that th elineup at the FKK is decent. And here again it depends on th eday and the time.

HTH.

Kimino

[CherchezFemme]

Thank you Kimino and Bobby.

Kimino, I am coming from the US so there may be a wait in customs, a wait for luggage (I am switching airlines) plus I want to be back at the airport an hour before my flight leaves.

That's why I think a 7. 5 hour layover may work out to 3. 5 hours or so of fun. It's good to know how much the taxis cost; thank you! The 80 euro entrance fee at Artemis isn't worth it for 3-3. 5 hours.

I think I will take the metro to the area you mentioned- I am a new yorker and am always curious about other cities' subways. Then bang a girl, relax, have another girl, than a taxi back to the airport.

We shall see.

[CherchezFemme]

With that amount of time you have an infinite number of choices. But KD, Royal and Liberty are so close-up by each other that you will find something you fancy there.I found the KD website and there are beautiful girls; what I did not find was a schedule of who will be working there on the day I am in Berlin. Do they post this info on their site? If so, where?

Also, do Royal and Liberty have websites? A quick google search and I couldn't find them.

[Angus Magee]

I found the KD website and there are beautiful girls; what I did not find was a schedule of who will be working there on the day I am in Berlin. Do they post this info on their site? If so, where?

Also, do Royal and Liberty have websites? A quick google search and I couldn't find them.The schedule on the KD site is only in the German side of the site. Keep in mind that just dropping by you will often find the particular lady you might want occupied. With KD I always called ahead.

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/presence-1.htm

http://www.libertyberlin.de/index_2.html

http://www.royalgirl.de/unsere_ladies.php

AM

[Kimino]

Thank you Kimino and Bobby.

Kimino, I am coming from the US so there may be a wait in customs, a wait for luggage (I am switching airlines) plus I want to be back at the airport an hour before my flight leaves.Cool!

Here is the last link for the clubs in that area.

http://www.vankampenberlin.de/

Have a nice trip.

Kimino

[CherchezFemme]

The schedule on the KD site is only in the German side of the site. Keep in mind that just dropping by you will often find the particular lady you might want occupied. With KD I always called ahead.

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/presence-1.htm

http://www.libertyberlin.de/index_2.html

http://www.royalgirl.de/unsere_ladies.php

AMAngus, while googling Royal I found your blog. Great stuff!

You have me interested in some of the lower cost bordellos. I noticed Tomsen and another were close together. Would you still recommend any of those lower cost ones? From experience I know that paying more doesn't always guarantee better service.

Oh and on my return flight in August I again have a layover of 7. 5 hrs but at night, from 10 pm Sunday to 5:30 am Monday. Are any of the bordellos open at 11 or 12 pm on a SUnday?

[Angus Magee]

Angus, while googling Royal I found your blog. Great stuff!

You have me interested in some of the lower cost bordellos. I noticed Tomsen and another were close together. Would you still recommend any of those lower cost ones? From experience I know that paying more doesn't always guarantee better service.

Oh and on my return flight in August I again have a layover of 7. 5 hrs but at night, from 10 pm Sunday to 5:30 am Monday. Are any of the bordellos open at 11 or 12 pm on a SUnday?If you had more time I might think it a better idea. But the cheaper places do tend to be more hit and miss and you might end up running around trying to find a girl who suits you rather than getting the job done.

While it is true that paying more does not necessarily mean a better time, I do find that the odds are better at a higher priced bordello. Also much depends upon the time of day you are speaking of. Too early is not good and neither is too late.

Tomsen is a fine small bordello but I found that to get the girl I wanted I often had to book her or show up and then go back when she was free. They have generally a smaller selection.

Sunday evening late, really the best option at that time is Artemis. There are places open in Neuköln but they can be hard to locate and travel to and the selection will be limited.

AN

[Rocketboy0]

Sunday evening late, really the best option at that time is Artemis. There are places open in Neuköln but they can be hard to locate and travel to and the selection will be limited.

ANAgree on this. Rest too hit and miss.

One stupid question, are you sure your US flight arrives at Schoenefeld (SXF) Airport vs Tegel (TXL) airport? I don't see any US flights in or out of SXF.

TXL would be a help actually-quite close to Artemis.

[Angus Magee]

One stupid question, are you sure your US flight arrives at Schoenefeld (SXF) Airport vs Tegel (TXL) airport? I don't see any US flights in or out of SXF.

TXL would be a help actually-quite close to Artemis.If you do fly into Tegel there are a couple of bordellos almost right on the front doorstep, Klix and Saphire.

http://www.klix37.de/

http://www.intime-modelle.de/index.html

If had to chose between the two I would probably go for Klix with lots of young Romanian and Bulgarian talent. I have a friend who goes there almost weekly and swears by the place. Both are open on Sundays but only until 18:00 and I imagine the line up is not quite so good.

AM

[Rocketboy0]

Agree on this. Rest too hit and miss.

One stupid question, are you sure your US flight arrives at Schoenefeld (SXF) Airport vs Tegel (TXL) airport? I don't see any US flights in or out of SXF.

TXL would be a help actually-quite close to Artemis.And to further quote myself, Artemis will let you store bags just to the right of their reception desk, for free. If you are switching airports, that could also be helpful.

I also think you may get through immigration faster in Berlin than elsewhere-airports not so stressed like major hubs, so you might have a little more time.

You can think of the entrance fee at Artemis as an insurance premium (as surely 1 of the staff will meet your needs) , a meal ticket, a pool and sauna ticket, a baggage locker, and assuming you have actually 3-5 hrs there, doing 2-3 lovelies would actually cost the same or less than in the very hit-and-miss-on-a-Sunday bordellos. Penny wise and poon foolish?

Just check your airport info as it could be off.

[Norjan]

Norjan. Man, have you stirred up a shit storm here. Look what all this has started, taking us away from field reports, in the middle of summer bung season.

Anyway, I want to warn you. Just because you may be able to order some high class ho, that does not mean she won't have some high class germs.

Or even low class germs. Germs so low class even high class antiseptic soap won't be able to remove 'them.

So no matter how posh her accent, education, and upbringing, you must remain vigilant. Vaginas cleanius maximus. Semper thigh.Been away on a holiday (Spain) with company, not able to view the forum.

Wel, l little did I know I have stirred up a storm. For what? The use of the words "high class"? For saying money were no issue for my fantasy?

I used the word "high class" just in lack of a better one since english is not my spoken language.

To (hopefully) make things simple for you guys to understand:

My fantasy is to have an escort girl coming to my hotel room looking like she were / could be a Playboy Playmate. As beautiful as possible, as female as possible, as perfect as possible. Perfect nails, perfect body, perfect skin, perfect hair, blistering white teeth, beautiful make up, nice perfume, nice clothes, sexy expensive lingerie etc. Thats what I meant by "high class".

My desire is not to pay as much as possible, it's not the price that turns me on, it's the looks and the bahaviour of the woman and I just think that such a woman, my fantasy woman, is aware of her outward beauty and therefore able to join the more well paid escort agencies. That's where the price comes in. I also don't think that such a girl work in a brothel.

I think it was Charlie who mentioned that excellence was the driver of my quest ands thats about it.

Also, is it such a big deal that I don't care too much about the price for fulfilling a nice fantasy?

Norjan

[Angus Magee]

My fantasy is to have an escort girl coming to my hotel room looking like she were / could be a Playboy Playmate. As beautiful as possible, as female as possible, as perfect as possible. Perfect nails, perfect body, perfect skin, perfect hair, blistering white teeth, beautiful make up, nice perfume, nice clothes, sexy expensive lingerie etc.
The cruelest thing a man can do to a woman is to portray her as perfection.But then some say he was gay.

AM

[Bobo.fr]

Been away on a holiday (Spain) with company, not able to view the forum.

Wel, l little did I know I have stirred up a storm. For what? The use of the words "high class"? For saying money were no issue for my fantasy?Hello Norjan,

Considering your different posts, I find that you are a courteous person.

I did talk about your arrogance because in one of your post I felt you meant that ladies who worked in brothels were "bull s.".

A forumer thought that I talked about money and probably thinking that we were still living in the "cold war" introduced ideologico-political considerations into the "debate".

To be clear, if you wrote : "I would like to meet the best escort and I'm ready to pay any price"; I wouldn't see any arrogance.


. she were / could be a Playboy Playmate. As beautiful as possible, as female as possible, as perfect as possible.Do you realize that it's very subjective? It's only you who can choose such ladies!

Most of escort agencies don't show the ladies' face so it won't be easy.

However, some "foreigners-oriented" Czech agencies publish their ladies' photos on their website (actually, normally, these web sites are not avalaible in Czech Republic).

I used Czech agencies mostly in the early 2000, and some of them don't exist anymore (praguebunnies. 22wildcats.) , some still exist :

http://www.alitgroup.com/

(former alicevipagency)

http://www.passions.co.at/

(former praguepassions)

In early 2000, many Czech escorts were beautiful and furthermore with a very good background (University's graduates).

I'm afraid that many (most?) of the current Czech escorts are not at this level anymore.


.

Nice perfume, nice clothes, sexy expensive lingerie etc.Just that those escorts weren't rich enough (at least valid in the early 2000) to have "expensive lingerie" BUT you can buy that for them (the same with perfume and clothes you like)!

Well, they don't live in Berlin BUT they can travel!

[Norjan]

Hello Norjan,

Considering your different posts, I find that you are a courteous person.

I did talk about your arrogance because in one of your post I felt you meant that ladies who worked in brothels were "bull s.".

A forumer thought that I talked about money and probably thinking that we were still living in the "cold war" introduced ideologico-political considerations into the "debate".

To be clear, if you wrote : "I would like to meet the best escort and I'm ready to pay any price"; I wouldn't see any arrogance.

Do you realize that it's very subjective? It's only you who can choose such ladies!

Most of escort agencies don't show the ladies' face so it won't be easy.

However, some "foreigners-oriented" Czech agencies publish their ladies' photos on their website (actually, normally, these web sites are not avalaible in ).

I used Czech agencies mostly in the early 2000, and some of them don't exist anymore (praguebunnies. 22wildcats.) , some still exist :

http://www.alitgroup.com/

(former alicevipagency)

http://www.passions.co.at/

(former praguepassions)

In early 2000, many Czech escorts were beautiful and furthermore with a very good background (University's graduates).

I'm afraid that many (most?) of the current Czech escorts are not at this level anymore.

Just that those escorts weren't rich enough (at least valid in the early 2000) to have "expensive lingerie" BUT you can buy that for them (the same with perfume and clothes you like)!

Well, they don't live in Berlin BUT they can travel!Ok Bobo.

Yes I realize it's very subjective and I have seen that the german agencies do'nt show the girls faces, at least not the eyes but I've found a couple of ladies at venusescorts and targetescorts who looks amazing. Most of them not available in Berlin but in Cologne or Dusseldorf so maybe I have to take a trip to one of those cities.

Or Czech Republic? Thanks for the web site links.

However my next upcoming trip will be Berlin so I'll try to find what I'm looking for there or, maybe, to avoid "little worms in my brain" go the Angus way and check out some of the best brothels.

If I don't like the girls there, there's always Artemis.

Norjan

[Angus Magee]

Ok Bobo.

Yes I realize it's very subjective and I have seen that the german agencies do'nt show the girls faces, at least not the eyes but I've found a couple of ladies at venusescorts and targetescorts who looks amazing. Most of them not available in Berlin but in Cologne or Dusseldorf so maybe I have to take a trip to one of those cities.

Or Czech Republic? Thanks for the web site links.Norjan-have you considered London for this fantasy? It is expensive but as far as I can see has some of the best talent anywhere for take out. If you have the means it could be just the thing you are looking for plus less language difficulties as I assume that you are pretty fluent with English.

Just a thought.

AM

[Norjan]

Norjan-have you considered London for this fantasy? It is expensive but as far as I can see has some of the best talent anywhere for take out. If you have the means it could be just the thing you are looking for plus less language difficulties as I assume that you are pretty fluent with English.

Just a thought.

AMYes I have, if I just had an agency I could trust and with the "right" girls thats an alternative.

Norjan

[Bobo.fr]

Ok Bobo.

Yes I realize it's very subjective and I have seen that the german agencies do'nt show the girls faces, at least not the eyes but I've found a couple of ladies at venusescorts and targetescorts who looks amazing. Most of them not available in Berlin but in Cologne or Dusseldorf so maybe I have to take a trip to one of those cities.

Or Czech Republic? Thanks for the web site links.

However my next upcoming trip will be Berlin so I'll try to find what I'm looking for there or, maybe, to avoid "little worms in my brain" go the Angus way and check out some of the best brothels.

If I don't like the girls there, there's always Artemis.

Norjan1) Most of the escorts can come to Berlin to meet you.

(I remember when I met escorts in Prague, in general it was easier for escorts who came from another city or from Slovakia to "escort" me (city's visits, restaurants, cafes, . Etc.) than for escorts who did live in Prague (but Prague is far smaller than Berlin)

2) Prague is not very far from Berlin (probably closer than Koln / Cologne or Dusseldorf)

3) Another Czech agency I used in the past (but the ladies I met don't work anymore) and that still exists : www.karolinas.com

[Norjan]

Thanks Bobo, really appreciate your info.

I said money is no issue, but I do'nt think I'm ready to pay their traveling costs at this moment, when not having met the girl before.

Will try to find a Berlin based escort but have'nt found it yet.

At Kamilla Dee there is one girl that looks OK, Clarissa, anybody who have been with her and able to comment?

Norjan

[Angus Magee]

Norjan,

An Artemis girl that I was very fond of (actually my ATF Artemis and probably close to the top all time ATF) worked for this agency for a while. She claimed that it was a very reputable agency and well run. I can not say anything about the particular girls though. The girl I knew is long gone from there.

http://www.escort-in-berlin.com/

AM

[Jerrylee]

Thanks Bobo, really appreciate your info.

I said money is no issue, but I do'nt think I'm ready to pay their traveling costs at this moment, when not having met the girl before.

Will try to find a Berlin based escort but have'nt found it yet.

At Kamilla Dee there is one girl that looks OK, Clarissa, anybody who have been with her and able to comment?

NorjanNorjan,

Did you consult the Berlin Intim webpage?

They have a section for so-called "high class callgirls":

http://www.berlinintim.de/member/Kontakte/HighClassEscort-Girls.php

[WarmStone25]

I'm just reporting what I saw and was told. I did Not sample any of the product.

Your more than likely right, Berlin is an expensive town and $80 Euro may not be the right number, but that's what they were quotingOranienburgerstrasse girls.

I commented on this in report #3977.

These girls call it pussyfuck and it will cost about 230e all in.

Some of these girls are indeed big and strong and look as if they could look after themselves.

I would not like to have a disagreement with them in an room behind a locked door.

I think they have antenna and can detect a monger at the end of the street. Too the prices appear to be the same. Is there some kind of tik tak going on or central control?

You can get three sessions at Artemis for 260e.

[Wanking]

I have been visiting Whormany around 8 times per year since 2005, and have only just made my first trip to Berlin. For years there didn't seem to be much of a flat rate scene, and I suppose that's what kept me from visiting. I really had a great time in Berlin and I may repeat it on my next trip, although the Bareback treats of the NRW are always so tempting.

Day 1 – Wednesday June 27th

My flight arrived on time to Berlin Schonefeld around 9pm. The train station is around 10 minutes walk away. I took a train to Alexanderplatz, then the U2 U-bahn to Bulowstrasse where my hotel the www.hotel-berlin-aldea.de is located 2 minutes walk away. I got to the hotel around 10. 30pm. I picked this hotel because its right next to the Kurfurstenstrasse RLD and there are also some ladies hanging out outside the hotel. Fine budget hotel with really big rooms for the money. All rooms are twin. I got a single rate excluding breakfast of €32 per night. WIFI was a bit wonky but I got it working eventually. All rooms have a safe which is a bonus. I would certainly stay in this hotel again.

See my Street Girls Report and Pics HERE (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1590-Photo-Gallery&p=1303356&viewfull=1#post1303356)

And HERE (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1590-Photo-Gallery&p=1303358&viewfull=1#post1303358)

After settling into the hotel, It was too late to hit a flatrate club, so I decided to have a walk about and check out the street ladies. I hadn't wanked 3 days and my balls were well full. Had a good walk around the area for about an hour first, and talked to several girls. Most were rough enough but a few cuties there too. Decided I just wanted to lick some smelly holes and get a BBBJ! I wanted to do a girl outdoors and didn't want to chance her robbing anything, so I popped back to the hotel, and left all my valuables including my phone there. I took 20 euro with me. 1 x 10, and 2 x 5's. I went back to the area, and found this very good looking young Bulgarian around 20 years old. Man what a pretty face. Wearing tight Jeans and a sexy black top. Lovely perky titten. She was about 5'4', slim and a lovely bubble butt. Yummy. I haggled with her, and we agreed on me licking her and her giving me a BBBJ for 15 euro.

I wanted to do it outdoors, so she brought me to this waste ground right on Kurfurstenstrasse. The ground looked way too dirty to either kneel on, or lie down on. So it was a standing up or down on the hunkers affair. I paid her and she saw I had 5 euro left. She pleaded that for 5 more she would do such better service, so fuck it, I gave it to her. Man we were practically visible to the road 20 meters away, which added to the thrill. I wanted to lick her first, and took my time pulling down her tight jeans, and her black thong down to her knees. I then buried my face into her arse, and YES, there was a slight SMELL OF SHIT LOL! I bent her over, and pushed my tongue in further, and gave her anus a good licking. Got tired down on my hunkers and ended up kneeling on the dirty ground! Turned her around and checked out her pussy, shaved and smelly but a proper healthy smell, a bit like BO. Pushed her in against the wall, and while I was kneeling, I took her jeans off her left leg, and pulled her left leg over my shoulder, so her pussy was on my face and I had great access to it. I really licked her hard, and she got wet. I was very horny now licking her and feeling her arse. Man her pussy smelled great. Got my hands up her top, and she opened her bra. Lovely firm young perky titten hand fulls. Then it was time to swap around. I stood in against the wall, pulled me jeans down to my ankles, (I left my jocks in the hotel hehe) and she got down on her hunkers and proceeded to suck my now very hard cock. While she sucked I reached over and rubbed her arse up and down, and fingered her anus lightly. She sucked and wanked me for the next few minutes. I then exploded a massive cum that hit her on the side of her neck and a little also went on the shoulder of black top. Immediately she got a big angry and wanted another 10 euro from me for the jizz I accidentally shot onto her t-shirt. I laughed and told her I had no more money on me, which I think she knew was true. Pulled a tissue from my pocket and wiped my cock off. The whole thing lasted less than 15 minutes but it was a good intense short session. Back to the hotel, washed my cock and off to bed. Great start to the trip.

Day 2 – Thursday 28th June

Up around 10 am, brekkie and then took my camera and camcorder across the road to get snap and clips of the daytime ladies. First girl I photographed was this Sexy Young Blonde thing. (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=171495&d=1342130780) She was Lovely. I worked my way up town and then visited the famous KA DA WE department store. Wow what a shop. The Harrods of Berlin. Certainly worth a visit if you are the area. Had some lunch and couldn't get that blonde out of my mind. Man what legs she had, and I kept salivating over the pussy and anus that was between those legs. Back to the hotel and I left all my cameras and shit in the room. Took my off underpants, and wore only jeans, t-shrit and crocs. Took 20 euro and some change with me, and went looking for that Blondie.

She was right where I had photographed her two hours earlier. She looked like she was keen for some money. She was in an intense mood and seemed drugged up some way. Still a very sexy girl. I was afraid that she might have recognised me as the guy who took the pics earlier, but she didn't seem to. Alisha was her name and We agreed on DATY and BBBJ in a porn cabin in the big sex shop 50 meters away for €20. See pics of the sex shop and the little porn cabin at the end of the report. It was a tight squeeze for both of us in the porn cabin that is of course only built for one. She was very insistent that I put 2 euro into the slot to get the porn going. I assume that these girls have a deal with the management of the sex shop that if they use their porn cabins for sex that the sex shop at least gets paid the min 2 euro. I can't remember how long the show ran for, maybe 10 minutes, maybe a lot less but we stayed for a few minutes longer until I came. I think the lock only works for the door after you put the money, but I'm not sure as this girls ass in that little skirt was the only thing on my mind. Anyway as I had no money on me, after paying her I didn't care whether the door was locked or not.

Once in there, I took off her little skirt, bent her over and pulled down her completely clean little white panties. Ah Man, she had a perfect little 20 year old ass and pussy. All hairless, fresh smelling of body spray and completely healthy looking. Smelt like she just came out of the shower. In fact she was so clean I was disappointed, I wanted a faint smell of shit and pussy odour. I was on my knees with jeans down, rubbing my hard cock, and for a few glorious minutes I deeply licked both her holes. No finger allowed in either hole though. I was now sorry that I didn't bring my phone or camera because I'm sure she would have let me take a pic of the beautiful ass. She wouldn't take her top off but pulled it up, and I got her lovely little titties out and sucked them briefly. Fuck then she started to complain that time was nearly over! I then sat on the chair and she got on her knees in front of me, and started a BBBJ / HJ combo. Her suck was a bit light but her HJ was more effective. I got about 5 more minutes before I felt myself near coming. She sensed it too and really wanked me fast for the last minute till I shot a couple of fine big spurts that ended all over my jeans that were on the ground. She pulled away as I came and didn't get any jizz on herself. She then left and was out of there in a second. I sat back and gathered myself after this brief but fantastic intense sexual experience. Back to the hotel and had a shower. Washed the jizz blobs off my jeans and left them to dry hanging over the shower. Gathered my things and headed to the Insomnia Gang bang. I bought a €30 euro x 5 day travel card at the U-bahn station which then covered all my travel over the next 5 days.

See my Insomnia Report HERE. (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3353-Insomnia-Swingers-Club-Berlin&p=1303360&viewfull=1#post1303360)

I got back from Insomnia around 1 am, and decided to have a quick walk around the area again. Fuck! There was young Blonde Alisha standing in the same place as she was at 11am when I first saw her this morning. 14 hours later! I felt sad and hoped she hadn't been there for 14 hours straight. Surely she had taken some breaks. I walked over to her and she remembered me, and of course asked me was I horny in her little English. I told her I wasn't, and that I was concerned if she was hungry or thirsty. She said she would like a bottle of coke, so I went across to a little cafe place and bought her a bottle of Coke for €1. 65. She was thankful then I went to the hotel and off to bed. And yes I felt better for buying her the coke.

Day 3 – Friday 29th June

Up at 10am and decided as it was fine it would be a good day to do the tourist thing. First went out and took a few more pics and clips of the ladies, until two tough looking Pimps in their 30's walked up to me, and told me not to take pics in the area. They were not too threatening really, but I just walked away ignoring them. I did take more pics later as it happened, but that incident made me more aware.

I then got the U2 to Potsdamer Platz and bought a hop on, hop off bus tour ticket for €15. I then spent the day seeing all the main sights, The Wall, Checkpoint Charlie etc. I think its worth seeing all that stuff once anyway if you visit Berlin. In the evening I checked out the Hookers on Oranienburger Strasse. See my street walker reports for details.

Got back to the hotel around 11pm, dumped my cameras and shit. Had a shower and headed to look for a 20 euro quickie. Plenty of sexy young blondes out tonight, and then I saw this one walking around showing off most of her bottom. Walked up to her and told her I wanted to take A Pic Of Her Ass (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=171512&d=1342131040)
, and that I would give her a few euro. She agreed immediately. I had €2. 70 in my pocket and I gave her that. I took the pic with my mobile, and after that she asked me If I wanted to fuck her. She was hot enough for sure. She wanted €40 for a fuck, but would do BBBJ and DATY for €20 in the sex shop cabin. I hadn't had any sex all day and was well horny now. So after negotiating her down 5 euro, I agreed to the 15 euro option.

Into the cabin we went. 2 euro into the slot, insisted on by her, just the same as the girl yesterday. Off with her skirt and thong and bent her over the seat. Buried my face into her arse but OH OH! SOMETHING was up. There was a foul smell coming from her pussy. A smell like rotten cheese. I pushed my finger a little into her pussy and it came back covered in a whitish / yellowish foul smelly mucus. She clearly had a yeast infection, the poor girl. I was turned off and lost stiffness immediately. She knew I was upset but insisted on blowing me anyway. I sat in the chair but the damage had been done. I couldn't get turned on at all now with the smell of rotten cheese pussy burned into the nasal section of my brain. So we abandoned and I went to the hotel and to bed. I couldn't get to sleep for a while because of the smell that seemed to be now welded to my top lip.

Day 4 – Saturday – June 30th

Met our number one ISG Berlin representives, Angus and Rocket Boy at midday. We went and hung out at a little cafe on the Kurfurstenstrasse while checking out the street ladies. I sneakily snapped a few more pics while keeping an eye out for pimps! Great to meet up with those two guys and we had a good ole chat until I had to get ready for Erlebniswohnung.

See my Erlebniswohnung report Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3290-Erlebniswohnung-GangBang-Club-Berlin&p=1303362&viewfull=1#post1303362)

After a great 7 hours in Erlebniswohnung, I left and went to the dissapointing http://www.fabriklounge.com/ Swingers club which was the only real let down of my trip. Because it was a let down I won't spend too much time reporting on it. I had seen it advertised on http://www.berlinintim.de/ And only went because of the low entry price of €60 which doesn't include drinks. It does include a tasty buffet though. What is amazing is that this very new club is located at the top floor of meat (excuse the pun LOL) or food factory of some sort that is housed in an industrial estate. You go up an old industrial type elevator complete with the stink of raw meat, and then enter an amazing purpose built club. This is surely one of the finested swingerclub buildings I have been in. Its really luxurious inside. There were 4 couples when I arrived around 11. 30 pm, along with one single lady, and 4 ro 5 single guys. Two of the women in the couples were very attractive, but the single lady was a hideous looking little blonde in her 30's with big bulging eyes who looked like the actor Marty Feldman. When I arrived she was giving some of the single guys BBBJs in the wellness area. I moved in and got some good head off her, but her 'Marty' resemble then got to me and I lost stiffness. I went for a beer, and waited to see what the couples would do. At first they were keeping to themselves and then they all started chatting. All local Germans by the sounds of it. After around an hour of hanging around. 3 of the couples all headed off to the sex rooms that had been unoccupied until then. So of course all the guys followed straight away, but they went into a small couples only area. There was a sign on the door giving strong warning in both German and English that it was a couples only area. I called it a night at that point.

Day 5 – Sunday – July 1st

Plan was to go shopping couple of hours, then visit www.thermen-berlin.de Naturist Sauna. Of course I forgot that all the major shops are closed on a Sunday in Berlin. So I went to the Thermen around midday and stayed 4 hours. It was €16 in for the day. Its an older sauna resort at the top of the Europa Shopping center. Not bad but it doesn't have a modern jacuzzi that I could see. Plenty of warm pools of different types but no jacuzzi. Mostly older women in the nude, but over the few hours I saw two lovely young blondes parading around naked.

Then I went for a lovely mean in a Vietnamese restaurant near the hotel. I then readied myself for the Sunday night orgy in Insomnia.

See my Insomnia Report HERE. (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3353-Insomnia-Swingers-Club-Berlin&p=1303360&viewfull=1#post1303360)

Day 6 – Monday – July 2nd

So final day in Berlin. Plan was to visit the http://www.anni-porsche.de/ GB which is also advertised reguarly in Berlinintim. They had a party scheduled from 11am to 5 pm for €75 which fitted my plans for flying home that evening perfectly. According to the add on Berlinintim, you had to sms them and they would send the number of the appartment in the building at Gneisenaustraße 89. I sms'ed and called but got no answer, so then I didn't want to trek there in case I didn't get in. I decided then to do the Monday party in Erlebniswohnung which I knew would be good anyway. Got talking to a local bloke in Erlebniswohnung who told me that the Anni Porsche party is not as good anymore anyway.

See my Erlebniswohnung report Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3290-Erlebniswohnung-GangBang-Club-Berlin&p=1303362&viewfull=1#post1303362)

Flew home that night after a truelly great time in Berlin. I loved every minute of it really, and I looked forward to visiting again soon.

[SwingerLover]

1) 2) Prague is not very far from BerlinQuestion is out of area, but since Prague and Czech Republic has come up here and my inquiry in the Czech forum has not yielded any results, I dare to ask here too:

Does anyone know anything about Czechmegaswingers? Especially if and how it is possible to participate in those massive groupfuck orgies?

Here's an example:

http://www.extremetube.com/video/multi-amateurs-orgy-at-czech-swingers-party-123477

[Rocketboy0]

I have been visiting Whormany around 8 times per year since 2005, and have only just made my first trip to Berlin. For years there didn't seem to be much of a flat rate scene, and I suppose that's what kept me from visiting. I really had a great time in Berlin and I may repeat it on my next trip,Flew home that night after a truelly great time in Berlin. I loved every minute of it really, and I looked forward to visiting again soon.Not much to say. All truly unique fucking epic fucking sagas, esp. The Insomnia report. A huge service to the troops. You will surely end up in a science museum.

[UmichaLex]

hello friends.

i am planning to be in europe next month and thinking about going for a few days to berlin to have fun. i have never been anywhere to monger so this would be my 1st and i have some questions in this regard to make it hassle free and fun obviously.

after reading some of the thread, i imagine the bordellos worth visiting are prestige, royal, vk, tiffany, liberty, odette, monrouge, (kd) and artemis and i believe they are rep001tered around berlin. my question is are they in safe neighborhoods because i am travelling alone and also can you easily get a cab outside these bordellos to get back to your hotel?

how is the escort scene? any good agencies or independent escorts you guys would recommend? also is bordello scene better or escort?

i am really fond of strip clubs back in states as dancers are stunning and give really great lap dances. any good strip clubs in berlin worth visiting?

heard hookers on oranienburger strasse and kurfurstenstrasse are usually hot but total rip-offs. any chance you can get good service from them or should you avoid them no matter what. again is it safe to go to any of those two streets alone at night?

i have to take return flight to home from either prague, zurich or brussels so i`m thinking of staying in any one of three for a day before catching my return flight. any insight which of the 3 cities would be best to monger after berlin would be great.

sorry if i have bombarded the blog with too many questions.

alex

[ZimmerBaby]

I then buried my face into her arse, and YES, there was a slight SMELL OF SHIT LOL! I bent her over, and pushed my tongue in further, and gave her anus a good licking. Back to the hotel, washed my cock and off to bed. Great start to the trip.Not exactly having a post Paulo Coelho feeling after reading, but amazing piece of work. Thanks!

[Velo Berlin]

Flew home that night after a truelly great time in Berlin. I loved every minute of it really, and I looked forward to visiting again soon.If one series of post was worthy of the "Links to Reports of Distinction" thread, this would be the one.

Kuddos!

Velo Berlin

[Velo Berlin]

thanks Angus!

Velo Berlin

[Wanking]

And also a big thanks to Angus for the ROD entry.

Another thing I want to mention about Berlin is that its great how close all the clubs are with public transport. When I visit Dusseldorf most of the clubs are way out in the countryside and take time to get to, even with a car, and worse by public transport.

[Rocketboy0]

And also a big thanks to Angus for the ROD entry. I then buried my face into her arse, and YES, there was a slight SMELL OF SHIT LOL! I bent her over, and pushed my tongue in further, and gave her anus a good licking. Back to the hotel, washed my cock and off to bed. Great start to the trip.Wankers- I would have nominated this of course also but (t) Angus loves to beat me to these things (he is indeed a cheap date).
In your case, we need a completely new category, that being the rather obvious Reports of De Stink Tion.

I too commend the graphics and layout - coloured links a great idea. I think from now on, for example, all infection stories could have green fonts.

In that Insomnia report, which you know has kept me from sleeping, you state:

When I asked one of the guys, why if the hired in women love sex so much why don't they all do BBBJ for instance (only 2 did BBBJ) and his reply was “I bet you love sex, but I also bet that you would not like to lick the pussy of 50 women in one night who you don't find any attraction!”. Then you go on to say, "Yes he had a point I suppose".

What? You?

[Angus Magee]

When I asked one of the guys, why if the hired in women love sex so much why don't they all do BBBJ for instance (only 2 did BBBJ) and his reply was 'I bet you love sex, but I also bet that you would not like to lick the pussy of 50 women in one night who you don't find any attraction! '. Then you go on to say,"Yes he had a point I suppose".

What? You?Wanking knows better than any of us, you got to lick it, before you stick it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LLWVqUZvT0

You just knew I would work that in here didn't you RB.

;)

AM

[Rocketboy0]

Wanking knows better than any of us, you got to lick it, before you stick it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LLWVqUZvT0

You just knew I would work that in here didn't you RB.

AMWell I guess somehow I should be honored that if I get a PM with some wacko reference, and I reply "right, you know that is raahtha wacko, old boy", dollars to donuts it will appear soon in the Forum.

But I am quite happy to encourage your creative side as part of the therapy programme. Much better than weaving those bloody baskets, or doing those Aqualung impersonations in Berlin's parks.

[Belvaros]

And also a big thanks to Angus for the ROD entry.

Another thing I want to mention about Berlin is that its great how close all the clubs are with public transport. When I visit Dusseldorf most of the clubs are way out in the countryside and take time to get to, even with a car, and worse by public transport.I fully intend to check out THAT hot blonde. Alisha. Fuck me. A broad that hot for 20 spons. Really awesome job Wanking.

[UmichaLex]

hello friends.

i am planning to be in europe next month and thinking about going for a few days to berlin to have fun. i have never been anywhere to monger so this would be my 1st and i have some questions in this regard to make it hassle free and fun obviously.

after reading some of the thread, i imagine the bordellos worth visiting are prestige, royal, vk, tiffany, liberty, odette, monrouge, (kd) and artemis and i believe they are rep001tered around berlin. my question is are they in safe neighborhoods because i am travelling alone and also can you easily get a cab outside these bordellos to get back to your hotel?

how is the escort scene? any good agencies or independent escorts you guys would recommend? also is bordello scene better or escort?

i am really fond of strip clubs back in states as dancers are stunning and give really great lap dances. any good strip clubs in berlin worth visiting?

i have to take return flight to home from either prague, zurich or brussels so i`m thinking of staying in any one of three for a day before catching my return flight. any insight which of the 3 cities would be best to monger after berlin would be great.

sorry if i have bombarded the blog with too many questions.

alex

[Angus Magee]

hello friends.

i am planning to be in europe next month and thinking about going for a few days to berlin to have fun. i have never been anywhere to monger so this would be my 1st and i have some questions in this regard to make it hassle free and fun obviously.

after reading some of the thread, i imagine the bordellos worth visiting are prestige, royal, vk, tiffany, liberty, odette, monrouge, (kd) and artemis and i believe they are rep001tered around berlin. my question is are they in safe neighborhoods because i am travelling alone and also can you easily get a cab outside these bordellos to get back to your hotel?

how is the escort scene? any good agencies or independent escorts you guys would recommend? also is bordello scene better or escort?

i am really fond of strip clubs back in states as dancers are stunning and give really great lap dances. any good strip clubs in berlin worth visiting?

heard hookers on oranienburger strasse and kurfurstenstrasse are usually hot but total rip-offs. any chance you can get good service from them or should you avoid them no matter what. again is it safe to go to any of those two streets alone at night?

i have to take return flight to home from either prague, zurich or brussels so i`m thinking of staying in any one of three for a day before catching my return flight. any insight which of the 3 cities would be best to monger after berlin would be great.

sorry if i have bombarded the blog with too many questions.

alexre: berlin safety-berlin is a pretty safe city. most of the bordellos you mention are closed by 22:00 anyway and in neighbourhoods where there is a fair bit of activity in the evening. the one exception being artemis which is open late but still in a safe spot despite what norjan may feel about the gypsy "threat". in any case there is a always a long line of taxis waiting outside artemis.

am

[Runners]

Hello all,

Where can I find thaigirls in Berlin in a massageplace or bordello?

I am really looking forward to meet a nice thai girl.

Maybe anyone here can make some advice or recommendations?

Runners

[Rocketboy0]

Hello all,

Where can I find thaigirls in Berlin in a massageplace or bordello?

I am really looking forward to meet a nice thai girl.

Maybe anyone here can make some advice or recommendations?

RunnersSlim pickings here me thinks. I would run to the airport, and hop on a plane to Thailand.

There are 2-3 with somewhat irregular hours working at Artemis, one quite nice possibly Wed and Fri. But very hit and miss.

I don't know the massage scene like Angus does.

But obviously, cold Berlin just not a Thai hangout. Lots of German and European girls though. Who'd a thunk it?

[Angus Magee]

Slim pickings here me thinks. I would run to the airport, and hop on a plane to Thailand.

There are 2-3 with somewhat irregular hours working at Artemis, one quite nice possibly Wed and Fri. But very hit and miss.

I don't know the massage scene like Angus does.

But obviously, cold Berlin just not a Thai hangout. Lots of German and European girls though. Who'd a thunk it?I would not say there are no Thai girls in Berlin, In fact there are a number. Have a look here.

http://www.berlinintim.de/member/Club/Massage.php

There are a number of Thai massage places. In some you can get FS in others just massage and a hand job or maybe a BJ.

I am sorry I can not tell you which are which but the FS salons generally will indicate in the services.

AM

[Norjan]

Hello friends.

I am planning to be in Europe next month and thinking about going for a few days to berlin to have fun. I have never been anywhere to monger so this would be my 1st and I have some questions in this regard to make it hassle free.

My question is are they in safe neighborhoods because I am travelling alone and also can you easily get a cab outside these bordellos to get back to your hotel?

AlexHave only been to Artemis, so this answer is about that area.

They say it's in a safe area but it's not. It's in a rough area. Criminals are lurking around the corners and even in the S-bahn, in the wagons and on the platforms just waiting for someone like you. A tourist loaded with cash, not really knowing where he is.

Expert word of advice: Take a a cab both going to Artemis and when going back to your hotel. It's easy getting a cab in central Berlin and also outside Artemis where they'll be waiting in line. The only problem is that when going to Artemis, the driver knows that your pockets are full of cash, think of that when choosing your cab.

Norjan

[CherchezFemme]

On a slow connection with proxy so this will be short. Went to Klix 37, saw Mona, for 1. 5 hrs, had a great time. She is one of the few Germans working there. Had approximately a 15 girl lineup, no stunners except for a black girl. Mamasan was very cool. 50 for. 5 hr. 90 for 1 hr and 10 euro for BBBJ. Easy to get jnto, the building has a buzzer labeled Massage, no need to call like in Prague.

Mona has great english, very friendly and enthusiastic even tho she is 32. She works out and has a nice hard ass and thighs, defined back and arms. Unfortunately she has saggy boobs but she is fun so that's what counts.

Thanks everyone for your help

[CherchezFemme]

On a slow connection with proxy so this will be short. Went to Klix 37, saw Mona, for 1. 5 hrs, had a great time. She is one of the few Germans working there. Had approximately a 15 girl lineup, no stunners except for a black girl. Mamasan was very cool. 50 for. 5 hr. 90 for 1 hr and 10 euro for BBBJ. Easy to get jnto, the building has a buzzer labeled Massage, no need to call like in Prague.

Mona has great english, very friendly and enthusiastic even tho she is 32. She works out and has a nice hard ass and thighs, defined back and arms. Unfortunately she has saggy boobs but she is fun so that's what counts.

Thanks everyone for your help

[LilJoey]

hello friends.

i am planning to be in europe next month and thinking about going for a few days to berlin to have fun. i have never been anywhere to monger so this would be my 1st and i have some questions in this regard to make it hassle free and fun obviously.

after reading some of the thread, i imagine the bordellos worth visiting are prestige, royal, vk, tiffany, liberty, odette, monrouge, (kd) and artemis and i believe they are rep001tered around berlin. my question is are they in safe neighborhoods because i am travelling alone and also can you easily get a cab outside these bordellos to get back to your hotel?

how is the escort scene? any good agencies or independent escorts you guys would recommend? also is bordello scene better or escort?

i am really fond of strip clubs back in states as dancers are stunning and give really great lap dances. any good strip clubs in berlin worth visiting?

heard hookers on oranienburger strasse and kurfurstenstrasse are usually hot but total rip-offs. any chance you can get good service from them or should you avoid them no matter what. again is it safe to go to any of those two streets alone at night?

i have to take return flight to home from either prague, zurich or brussels so i`m thinking of staying in any one of three for a day before catching my return flight. any insight which of the 3 cities would be best to monger after berlin would be great.

sorry if i have bombarded the blog with too many questions.

alexalex, you asked the same question on the other thread, only here you switched out the city of vienna and replaced with prague. you are all over the place, i guess because of flight options. i'm assuming you are looking for the best way to cap off a trip to berlin, just in case artemis and the bordellos in berlin don't produce sufficient hotties when you visit, so where is a good alternative city?

i also often do a secondary stopover on the way home from a mongering trip to kiev, so i have had to analyze this and make this kind of choice many times before.

is there any reason why you can't fly home from frankfurt? if you can manage that, then you can visit fkk oase or fkk palace or fkk world, or any two of them. they are the biggest and best of the fkk's, and far better than artemis imho, and cheaper too at 100 euro / hr session fees. i would choose frankfurt over the cities you mentioned (brussels / zurich) even if it added several hundred dollars to the cost of the air tickets, simply because you will probably save that amount in girl session costs by going to frankfurt because the costs in brussels or zurich are double the costs in frankfurt fkk's. (as an alternative to frankfurt, i'm sure there are advocates here for the dusseldorf / cologne area which does have many fkk club options, however they close early, are crowded more, and are more difficult to get to, unless you rent a car, so my pick for a one or two night stopover would be frankfurt area fkk's).

i recommended for you to choose vienna when you asked the question in the other thread and you mentioned that city. if you can't go to frankfurt, then reconsider the vienna option for the reasons i stated earlier. if you aren't as flight flexible as you seem, then between the cities you now mention, prague seems the best. brussels has a rld right adjacent to the train station and the set up and prices are like amsterdam, really pretty, hot girls in windows, available for 15 minutes for 50 euro for a quickie. that means that for an hour you will pay 200 euro. it's exactly double the price of the german fkk's. but the girls in brussels, like in amsterdam, we're hot. when i was in brussels on a stopover last year the girls were hot, plenty of romanian, bulgarians, but also some hot russian or ukrainian girls in some of the windows. honestly, prague would be a better choice because prices are lower there for girls in the "privats" (the girl apartments) all over prague, and the czech women are beautiful. i suppose if you want to use high end escort outcall agencies, you can get girls who are off the charts gorgeous in both cities. in prague, when i mongered there some years ago i got great gfe beauties from the high end escort agencies, but then we're talking about a several hour commitment for 300 to 400 euro. the guys who want to stay in the 100 euro per hour range speak highly of the privats in prague. so in order of preference for departure cities for a one or two night stopover after a mongering trip to berlin, i would pick frankfurt, vienna, prague, brussels / zurich. and then you have to learn the ins and outs of mongering in the city you choose.

lj

[Bearsk]

Beware of Gypsy taxi drivers and irish limbo dancers. In Berlin.


Have only been to Artemis, so this answer is about that area.

They say it's in a safe area but it's not. It's in a rough area. Criminals are lurking around the corners and even in the S-bahn, in the wagons and on the platforms just waiting for someone like you. A tourist loaded with cash, not really knowing where he is.

Expert word of advice: Take a a cab both going to Artemis and when going back to your hotel. It's easy getting a cab in central Berlin and also outside Artemis where they'll be waiting in line. The only problem is that when going to Artemis, the driver knows that your pockets are full of cash, think of that when choosing your cab.

Norjan

[Rocketboy0]

Beware of Gypsy taxi drivers and irish limbo dancers. In Berlin. Based on Have only been to Artemis, so this answer is about that area.

They say it's in a safe area but it's not. It's in a rough area. Criminals are lurking around the corners and even in the S-bahn, in the wagons and on the platforms just waiting for someone like you. A tourist loaded with cash, not really knowing where he is.

Expert word of advice: Take a a cab both going to Artemis and when going back to your hotel. It's easy getting a cab in central Berlin and also outside Artemis where they'll be waiting in line. The only problem is that when going to Artemis, the driver knows that your pockets are full of cash, think of that when choosing your cab.

NorjanIndeed. Norjan. Where do you get this stuff? What solid evidence do you have to make such claims?

IMHO, Westkreuz is perfectly safe, have been there loads of time 03:00, never the slightest bad vibe, S-Bahns under surveillance etc. One sees women walking alone there all the time in the early am so obviously they feel quite safe. Unless. They are part of the vast Gypsy criminal conspiracy. I never thought of that.

There are of course rough areas in Berlin but this most def not. The only good argument for a cab is sometimes the trains can be 15-25 minutes apart so you can stand around a bit and if one is cold, tired, drained of precious bodily fluids, a cab is nice. But absolutely not necessary for safety.

[UmichaLex]

Indeed. Norjan. Where do you get this stuff? What solid evidence do you have to make such claims?

IMHO, Westkreuz is perfectly safe, have been there loads of time 03:00, never the slightest bad vibe, S-Bahns under surveillance etc. One sees women walking alone there all the time in the early am so obviously they feel quite safe. Unless. They are part of the vast Gypsy criminal conspiracy. I never thought of that.

There are of course rough areas in Berlin but this most def not. The only good argument for a cab is sometimes the trains can be 15-25 minutes apart so you can stand around a bit and if one is cold, tired, drained of precious bodily fluids, a cab is nice. But absolutely not necessary for safety.Thank you all for great advice on safety in Berlin.

atLJ. Once again really appreciate your detailed insight. Well never considered Frankfurt because not sure if it has to offer any thing else like good bordellos or good escort service other than the 2-3 FKKs everyone talks about. Would certainly like the possibility of having other options at my disposal because in case I find out after going to Artemis that FKKs are not my thing (hopefully that won't happen because FKKs are such a unique concept and are every mongers favorite) , then I`m kind of stuck in Frankfurt. I am pretty flexible with my departure city and can probably depart from Frankfurt as well so maybe I`ll read into the Frankfurt thread to get a better idea of other possible solutions exist just to give me that flexibility.

Alex

[GeneralFarris]

I am visiting Berlin shortly and searching for a blonde girl with enhanced attributes who does CIM. Up to 200 euros a hour. Very happy for any tip!

[Rocketboy0]

in case I find out after going to Artemis that FKKs are not my thing (hopefully that won't happen because FKKs are such a unique concept and are every mongers favorite) , then I`m kind of stuck in Frankfurt. I am pretty flexible with my departure city and can probably depart from Frankfurt as well so maybe I`ll read into the Frankfurt thread to get a better idea of other possible solutions exist just to give me that flexibility.AlexA-as discussed with LJ in the Artemis ISG Forum, there is no "answer". No idea of you, your taste in women, how experienced you are, your budget etc. I think both Artemis and Palace Frankfurt by my tastes will be weaker than normal. I suspect this is true everywhere as many (not all) of the better girls will take a summer break. However as you have never been, you may just be thrilled to death by the whole FKK thing and find all fine. Oase (north of Frankfurt) IF (important) weather good surely a worthwhile look, though unlike many, I have never been so impressed by the women / service thing there.

I looked at the Vienna FKK options and I am either underwhelmed or it is absurdly expensive. Prague one of the world's most beautiful cities but it will demand some language tolerance and a fair bit of running around-probably need a couple of days just to get your bearings. Zurich is expensive but a very pretty city and visit to the Globe and then some cruising on a bike around the lake and the old town sounds to me like a pretty good 2 days. Maybe even with a detour to Luzern-an hour away. Air Berlin has reasonable flights Berlin-Zurich. You can decide also after having sampled some of the Berlin Bordells and private flats discussed a lot on the ISG Berlin forum. It will all be hit and miss, YMMV, also a function of logistics and budget. But if you are not in Europe so often, and time is an issue, I would pump for a quick overnight trip to Zurich. But you maybe so enchanted by the Berlin options you never make it anywhere. Good luck and let us know.

[Angus Magee]

Question is out of area, but since Prague and Czech Republic has come up here and my inquiry in the Czech forum has not yielded any results, I dare to ask here too:

Does anyone know anything about Czechmegaswingers? Especially if and how it is possible to participate in those massive groupfuck orgies?

Here's an example:

http://www.extremetube.com/video/multi-amateurs-orgy-at-czech-swingers-party-123477Not sure where you are at with this but I have managed to come up with some info on the website with contact info. I am reluctant to share it in the open forum but if interested send me a pm and I will pm you what I have. What I have is not much but it may be a start.

AM

[LilJoey]

Thank you all for great advice on safety in Berlin.

AtLJ. Once again really appreciate your detailed insight. Well never considered Frankfurt because not sure if it has to offer any thing else like good bordellos or good escort service other than the 2-3 FKKs everyone talks about. Would certainly like the possibility of having other options at my disposal because in case I find out after going to Artemis that FKKs are not my thing (hopefully that won't happen because FKKs are such a unique concept and are every mongers favorite) , then I`m kind of stuck in Frankfurt. I am pretty flexible with my departure city and can probably depart from Frankfurt as well so maybe I`ll read into the Frankfurt thread to get a better idea of other possible solutions exist just to give me that flexibility.

AlexDear Alex,

I will be very surprised if you wouldn't enjoy the concept of an FKK in terms of it being a highly charged sexual environment. I analogize it to walking into Hugh Heffner's "Playboy Mansion" with young hot centerfold lovelies lounging all around the property, with the added perk that at the FKK, the sexy, skinny young females are all walking around completely naked, except for their high-heeled shoes, and all they want to do is drag you off to some nicely appointed bedroom and suck and fuck you for 50 euro per half hour (60 euro if you're in Berlin at Artemis). Refreshments and food are included and you can spend as long as you want at the club to rest and recharge in between sex sessions. It's a hedonistic sexually charged environment that you will never forget. I remember my first time, and thinking,"you mean this has been here all this time, and I never knew? Damn, this is awesome!" you will probably have a similar reaction.

A caveat is that Artemis in Berlin tends to get a lot of guys and with crowds comes competition to score the hottest girls, which as in any club are only a certain proportion of the females there, and thus are a limited commodity. Added to that is the "summer vacation" aspect pointed out by Rocketboy0, which may have led to lower numbers of the best and hottest girls being present in the FKK clubs during the present summer period. He opines that this "summer vacation" drain on the talent is likely to affect all of the sex venues everywhere. He may well be right. All I can say is that my visit to FKK Oase near Frankfurt last summer was awesome, and when I think of the hotness of the beauties I nailed during that trip my head still spins. So it is not a given that summertime is a bad time to visit FKK's. From my experience, the Frankfurt area FKK's. Palace, Oase and World. (there are others but I've never been to them) are very enjoyable during the summer, especially those like Oase which have nice outdoor areas and swimming pool. Take a look at the YouTube video of the reconstructed premises now up on their website (www.fkk-oase.de) and imagine the sexy, naked young girls sprawled on the lounges around the outdoor pool. It's a nice way to spend a summer day (and continue the party at night, if you have any sperm left). So if it turns out that Artemis is lacking in hotties like it was when I visited it on April 18 this year, it is my opinion that it is because it is not as good a mongering club as the Frankfurt area FKK's where there have always been sufficient very pretty, hot young girls to satisfy my desires. Again there are those who favor the FKK clubs up near Dusseldorf and Cologne area in terms of the line ups, but I have written earlier my reasons and factors for picking the Frankfurt area FKK's for a one or two night stopover.

Anyway, I don't think that one can really be "stuck" in Frankfurt, due to the very good train system of the Deutche Bahn, and from Frankfurt you can be up in Dusseldorf / Cologne area or even to Brussels in a relatively short train ride.

Frankfurt's escort outcall scene is a high end option, and although awesome looking escorts can be summoned to your hotel room, I never considered using an outcall escort in Frankfurt since the much lower prices at the FKK's were readily available. FKK Palace is inSide Frankfurt (you can book the hotel right next to it and be able to walk back and forth to your hotel room from the club) and FKK Oase is a short 20 minute train ride and / or taxi ride from downtown Frankfurt (just hop on the S5 from the Frankfurt Hbf (main train station) to Bad Homburg and taxi from there to club).

If you are enamored more of the girl apartment or bordello scene, then one of the larger RLD's exists right next to the Frankfurt Hbf area, with buildings full of girl apartments. I never went to these either ecause I felt the FKK's were far superior an experience with good basic service more or less guaranteed, versus the uncontrolled environment at the RLD where you must be far more concerned with the rip off type of girl.

The Vienna FKK, Goldentime, has similar costs to Artemis in Berlin. Check out the website www.goldentime.at And see. Entrance is 80 euro and girl session fees are 60 euro per half hour. Many beauties from nearby Hungary and Slovak republic, enhance the Romanian / Bulgarian usual FKK menu. And the "laufhaus" brothels are similarly priced. So I'm really not sure what Rocketboy0 is referring to in reference to Vienna.

Take a look at the ISG reports on the Prague thread and you will see a clearer picture of what's possible in the girl apartments there known as "privats". There is a very useful map detailing the location of every sex business and privat in Prague, so getting your bearings is not difficult IMHO. English is spoken widely in Prague. There are awesome high end escort agencies in Prague, if your budget allows, but there are a lot of lower cost options too. Also large sex clubs like K5 and many others. Prague was my favorite mongering city before I moved on to the FKK's, and then to Kiev. I would give Prague serious consideration as well because if you have never visited there yet, you will find it to be a very beautiful city architecturally and well worth your while as a tourist in general matters, as well as being a sex capital in Europe.

But as much as I enjoy Vienna and try to pass through there as often as I can on a stopover, and as much as I have nostalgia for the fun times I had in Prague, for practical reasons, I still think stopping over in Frankfurt, spending a day or two at FKK Oase and maybe Palace or World, and departing for home from Frankfurt, or then hopping on a train to Brussels to check out it's comparatively meager and more expensive offerings, and departing for home from Brussels, might be an exciting plan, that will give you a better overview of FKK land, than just an Artemis experience.

But I also liked Rocketbiy0's description of a stop in beautiful Zurich, although for sex it's likely that Frankfurt area presents a lower cost experience with an equivalent level of girl quality.

LJ

[Norjan]

Indeed. Norjan. Where do you get this stuff? What solid evidence do you have to make such claims?Consciousness that's all you need. Consciousness.

Norjan

[Rocketboy0]

Consciousness that's all you need. Consciousness.NorjanAs I thought. You sure aren't doing a little misspelling, and forgetting the prefix "sub" or "un"?

I never really know if you are just "out there", or if all this is clever trolling, with a completely fabricated personality. Either way, it is a piece of work.

[Rocketboy0]

I am visiting Berlin shortly and searching for a blonde girl with enhanced attributes who does CIM. Up to 200 euros a hour. Very happy for any tip!Jenna at Artemis. Picture on their website, you might ring to see if she's there when you are.

[Norjan]

As I thought. You sure aren't doing a little misspelling, and forgetting the prefix "sub" or "un"?

I never really know if you are just "out there", or if all this is clever trolling, with a completely fabricated personality. Either way, it is a piece of work.To tell you the truth I'm not even a human. I'm a super confidential software program, which sometimes transform in to a robot that goes to Artemis a couple of times a year, financed by a collaboration between the EU parliament and the Norwegian government.

But, since all this is classified, if I ever meet you, I'll have to kill you. Do'nt be surprised if this happens somewhere between the tyre shop and the containers on your way walking from Westkreuz and Artemis.

Norjan

[Rocketboy0]

But as much as I enjoy Vienna and try to pass through there as often as I can on a stopover, and as much as I have nostalgia for the fun times I had in Prague, for practical reasons, I still think stopping over in Frankfurt, spending a day or two at FKK Oase and maybe Palace or World, and departing for home from Frankfurt, or then hopping on a train to Brussels to check out it's comparatively meager and more expensive offerings, and departing for home from Brussels, might be an exciting plan, that will give you a better overview of FKK land, than just an Artemis experience.

But I also liked Rocketbiy0's description of a stop in beautiful Zurich, although for sex it's likely that Frankfurt area presents a lower cost experience with an equivalent level of girl quality.

LJBriefly. I was underwhelmed by the website photos at Golden Time Wien (a taste thing to be sure) , Babylon absurdly expensive. And I have normally really good things to say about Austrian women. Prague. Sure but it will require a fair bit of running around, and it will be jammed with tourists. Frankfurt-it will be hit and miss and Oase without great weather a different deal, and a relative a hassle to reach (easily an hour each way if you stay in Frankfurt) , and come and go. It tends to E European thin waify types-again a taste thing, and not mine. World-some like, but I find it creepy too E European, it is a hike without a car, and owned by German motorcycle gang. Palace in summer will be hit and miss, and in any case, while Frankfurt has spent a lot on museums and river front development etc. It is still Frankfurt. Frankfurt to me often feels claustrophobic, not helped by a relative absence of cheap flights to EU destinations unlike other German cities, and trains can also be expensive on short notice. For me, after Berlin, another "landlocked" big city experience (also applies to Prague, and Vienna despite their being near rivers) for several days in summer not attractive. And Brussels. Not worth it IMHO, in your situation.

Whereas. Look at the club-globe. Ch website and see Mohab`s recent description; it just seems the odds significantly better there, all things considered. Disagree with LJ that quality the same elsewhere for less cost but at least Berlin will help you establish a baseline. I do think the Globe quality has the potential (note that word) to be much better. YMMV and of course it will depend upon the day and your tastes. All things being equal WED-SAT best days (and better so late afternoons / evenings) everywhere. Yes more expensive but likely only for a day, with a few sessions, net net 400 ish more. But Zurich a surprisingly edgy city, good arts and music scene, the region extremely beautiful with its large swimmable lake, and Luzern nearby even more so. The lake boat trips, or just hiring a bicycle, with towering mountains nearby pretty unbeatable. With the Globe, you have a fairly large one stop shop, very good transit system, vs needing to go poon safaris all over unfamiliar cities or their countrysides. There are some useful rail passes you should buy in advance and some hotel planning on-line helpful, check Time-Out and Lonely Planet tips. It really depends on logistics, time and flight schedules, and budget and how likely you are to pass through Europe again, but balancing a lot of factors, if it were me-I'the be off to Zurich / Globe.

You can wait til we hear LJs report from the Globe. And again doing Berlin both Artemis and some of the better bordellos first and seeing how you feel about the whole scene first makes most sense IMHO.

[Charlie 123]

Norjan-have you considered London for this fantasy? It is expensive but as far as I can see has some of the best talent anywhere for take out. If you have the means it could be just the thing you are looking for plus less language difficulties as I assume that you are pretty fluent with English.

Just a thought.

AMThis is a very good shot.

The prettiest escorts in Europe work here (london). Prices are very high here compared to Germany, but that's part of what attracts the top girls to come here to work. The Olympics starts in 2 weeks, so the city will be full of hotties.

C

[Charlie 123]

Thanks Bobo, really appreciate your info.

I said money is no issue, but I do'nt think I'm ready to pay their traveling costs at this moment, when not having met the girl before.

Will try to find a Berlin based escort but have'nt found it yet.

At Kamilla Dee there is one girl that looks OK, Clarissa, anybody who have been with her and able to comment?

NorjanYes, I've been with Clarissa.

Hot body, good performer, nice girl. BBBJ for me without questions asked (I speak German and I think this helps) , but house policy is for covered BJ so beware.

I did a report on her here in 2011. Search for more info if you want.

Best.

C

[UmichaLex]

Briefly. I was underwhelmed by the website photos at Golden Time Wien (a taste thing to be sure) , Babylon absurdly expensive. And I have normally really good things to say about Austrian women. Prague. Sure but it will require a fair bit of running around, and it will be jammed with tourists. Frankfurt-it will be hit and miss and Oase without great weather a different deal, and a relative a hassle to reach (easily an hour each way if you stay in Frankfurt) , and come and go. It tends to E European thin waify types-again a taste thing, and not mine. .Thanks a ton Rocketboy and LJ for those detailed insight. As always, experts tend to have different opinions on a given topic and its is ultimately left to the reader to analyze those opinions and make an informed decision. I guess I`ll just wait for LJ to report on his experience in Zurich and Berlin after that if I am still in a dilemma over which city to monger along with Berlin, I guess I`ll toss a coin to decide. BTW, you guys mention some girls will be away for summer vacation and that might put a drain on the talent available anywhere in Europe, so I was wondering when dose this summer vacation end. Reason I ask this is because I am to an extend flexible with my flight schedule and maybe I can decide when I want to visit EU. Well given this will be my 1st Mongering trip, I do not mind splurging for GFE with some fine hotties.

Alex

[LilJoey]

Briefly. I was underwhelmed by the website photos at Golden Time Wien (a taste thing to be sure) , Babylon absurdly expensive. And I have normally really good things to say about Austrian women. Prague. Sure but it will require a fair bit of running around, and it will be jammed with tourists. Frankfurt-it will be hit and miss and Oase without great weather a different deal, and a relative a hassle to reach (easily an hour each way if you stay in Frankfurt) , and come and go. It tends to E European thin waify types-again a taste thing, and not mine. World-some like, but I find it creepy too E European, it is a hike without a car, and owned by German motorcycle gang. Palace in summer will be hit and miss, and in any case, while Frankfurt has spent a lot on museums and river front development etc. It is still Frankfurt. Frankfurt to me often feels claustrophobic, not helped by a relative absence of cheap flights to EU destinations unlike other German cities, and trains can also be expensive on short notice. For me, after Berlin, another "landlocked" big city experience (also applies to Prague, and Vienna despite their being near rivers) for several days in summer not attractive. And Brussels. Not worth it IMHO, in your situation.

Whereas. Look at the club-globe. Ch website and see Mohab`s recent description; it just seems the odds significantly better there, all things considered. Disagree with LJ that quality the same elsewhere for less cost but at least Berlin will help you establish a baseline. I do think the Globe quality has the potential (note that word) to be much better. YMMV and of course it will depend upon the day and your tastes. All things being equal WED-SAT best days (and better so late afternoons / evenings) everywhere. Yes more expensive but likely only for a day, with a few sessions, net net 400 ish more. But Zurich a surprisingly edgy city, good arts and music scene, the region extremely beautiful with its large swimmable lake, and Luzern nearby even more so. The lake boat trips, or just hiring a bicycle, with towering mountains nearby pretty unbeatable. With the Globe, you have a fairly large one stop shop, very good transit system, vs needing to go poon safaris all over unfamiliar cities or their countrysides. There are some useful rail passes you should buy in advance and some hotel planning on-line helpful, check Time-Out and Lonely Planet tips. It really depends on logistics, time and flight schedules, and budget and how likely you are to pass through Europe again, but balancing a lot of factors, if it were me-I'the be off to Zurich / Globe.

You can wait til we hear LJs report from the Globe. And again doing Berlin both Artemis and some of the better bordellos first and seeing how you feel about the whole scene first makes most sense IMHO.Just for the sake of accuracy, one can go on the website www.bahn.de And plug into the journey planner the trip from Frankfurt Hbf to Bad Homburg, and one will see that traveling from Frankfurt Hbf to FKK Oase involves a 21 minute ride on the S-Bahn (S5). The taxi ride from Bad Homburg station to FKK Oase is not more than 10 minutes. I usually stay at one of the hotels adjacent to the Frankfurt Hbf to make my transfers to / from the airport easier. So I can't see where there is more than a half hour of travel time from Frankfurt Hbf to FKK Oase. Rocketboy0 must be including a scenic tour of downtown Frankfurt in his estimate of an hour travel time. The twenty minute ride on the large comfortable cars of the flawlessly functioning S-Bahn, I wouldn't regard as a "hassle".

Also, you can't go by the FKK website photos. There isn't any serious doubt that the line up usually Present at FKK Oase shreds the offerings at FKK Artemis that I saw on my visit to Artemis the night of April 18. But I've only been to Artemis once. Likewise, although Goldentime Vienna is a smaller club than Artemis, the line up at Goldentime was consistently far better than what I saw at Artemis that April 18 visit, and I am speaking of personal observation made from many visits to both FKK Oase near Frankfurt and FKK Goldentime in Vienna. They are consistently good in their line up. My ATF is Joanna (Romanian) at Goldentime Vienna, a dark haired flawless body beauty, but there are also many blondes from Hungary or Slovak Republic at Goldentime due to the club's proximity to those countries. I do agree that when the weather outside is nice, which allows one to enjoy the outdoors area and swimming pool at Oase (see the website for YouTube video to get a good idea) , that the experience at Oase is a much better experience, because Oase does suffer from having a less opulent and comfortable premises than clubs like Palace or Artemis, which is bearable for most guys since Oase has the better line up with better service (I. E. Less complaints of sharky behavior at Oase as compared to Palace).

The foregoing having been said, I am going to Artemis again to give it a second chance and hope I will have fun there.

I also do agree that Zurich's Globe sounds like a really good environment with really hot girls, but at double the price. The price tags on Beautiful escorts in Zurich of $300 / hour at Globe and $400 / hr or $500 / hr at other Swiss venues or escort services, are already like the prices back home in places like New York, a high priced mongering location. See for example www.eros--ny.com And plug into the search box "400" which will pull up all those escort ads asking $400 / hr and you will see that for that price some very beautiful Russian type girls are available as GFE (searches for prices lower than $400 will bring up mostly TS escorts on the Eros website) , so $400 is now a baseline on that website in NY. Lower cost escorts can be found on backpage. Com). So if I can pay $400 for a beauty in NY, why should I go to Zurich for escorts charging the same? The lower costs at the German FKK's are part of their appeal.

And lastly, in listing cities you might want to monger in for a one or two night stopover, having just read Charlie123's note to Norjan, I am reminded that I quite agree about London. I have stopped over in London many times and the escort scene there is awesome. Just take a look at www.londonescortguide.com, for example, and see what kind of beauties are available for 150 GBP (230 CHF) or 180 GBP (275 CHF) or even 200 GBP (306 CHF) (higher than that is already getting ridiculous) and your eyes will likely pop out! And London is a great tourist city as well.

I will be in Zurich this Friday and report about what I see there.

LJ

[Rocketboy0]

Just for the sake of accuracy, LJWell, you gots your reality; I gots mine. Apologies to all as this really belongs in the Lounge, but as we're stuck here, my last entry on this.

LJ-your Frankfurt-Oase travel time estimates assume absolute best-case timing and taxi connections, and some hotel proximity that may or not apply to our intrepid traveler, on the particular day. My guess allows for the usual imperfections and slacking. I think, point to point, Hotel door to Oase reception. 1 hr is much more realistic. Having lived in Frankfurt for over a year, and Berlin for 5, flawless and S-Bahn are not words I would use in the same sentence. Scheisse happens.

I thought all the new construction at Oase was far from complete as of this moment; that while operations are continuing, the work is no where near finished. I have no idea really but their video is a computer generated thing vs what is really on there now. I really don`t know but again. For me, IMHO, just not worth it, on balance. Been there 4-5 times, left without doing anything I think 3. Whereas, I have always had a great time at the horrible, evil Palace. Kimino my man of wings and I commented on all this on the Palace thread recently. It just goes to show how subjective it all is, and how each of us must find our way.

London will be very costly on all levels, esp now with high tourist season and pre-Olympics stresses. There have been well-reported horrific delays at airport immigration, and even conservative Financial Times columnists have been moaning what a hassle it will all be quite soon. Well be worth an off-season visit in Sept when the systems are back to normal, but right now, I doubt it. As Charlie123 can fully attest, I have been telling him for years that cost aside, the choices there are something, and I am an Anglophile by nature.

As for all the rest on the girly front in various places- as I said repeatedly, all individual taste things both in terms of beauty, and if it is "worth" it.

So as you say, for the sake of accuracy (and just fucking peace) , l now surrender completely. I concede fully you are a world-class mongering and business and logistics genius (with as you reminded us, a highly developed tongue to boot) , and look forward to your in depth thrashing of Artemis, a minute cost breakdown, and the Globe report of Truth. Finito. RB over and out.

[Markus29]

So finally I've experienced the services in German Bordello, I'm quite satisfied and thanks to Angus magee.)

As I'm student I wrote him that I'm looking for something cheaper he suggested me 1) http://www.starlight-modelle.de/index.php

And 2) http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/html/modelle.html Where I saw the website and for me Freudenhaus-hase. De looks has more girls and was interesting for me.

It was Monday afternoon when I went there, the right side was closed and usually it opens after 4. I was new so didn't know about how things work so I entered and the main Lady explained to me how it works, so I was walking and looking at girls, as it was afternoon it was not busy, girls were waiting so I had chance to see the girl, on the top floor I ended up with Nicole, short Polish girl with no English and I'm new so I don't speak German, but still I decided to go with her, body was average nice tits, No kissing which I really want but really nice BJ she was relaxed and not in hurry, did different positions and I ended up.

I've been to cheap places in London's Soho where I can say, service in this place was far better than one in London, in soho they give BJ for a half or a minute to say you got BJ, and

The girls are always in hurry to get next customer.

Over all I liked this place as I'm new and for the price I think it was good place.

Thank you once again Angus, Let me know if there are any suggestions to find another Budget place for students like me.

Also I've found few contacts online, any suggestion?

http://www.jaasmin.de/

http://mabelle.rotlichtmodelle.de/home.html

http://www.iris-massagen.com/de/index.php?do=cat&category=masseurin

[LilJoey]

Well, you gots your reality; I gots mine. Apologies to all as this really belongs in the Lounge, but as we're stuck here, my last entry on this.

LJ-your Frankfurt-Oase travel time estimates assume absolute best-case timing and taxi connections, and some hotel proximity that may or not apply to our intrepid traveler, on the particular day. My guess allows for the usual imperfections and slacking. I think, point to point, Hotel door to Oase reception. 1 hr is much more realistic. Having lived in Frankfurt for over a year, and Berlin for 5, flawless and S-Bahn are not words I would use in the same sentence. Scheisse happens.

I thought all the new construction at Oase was far from complete as of this moment; that while operations are continuing, the work is no where near finished. I have no idea really but their video is a computer generated thing vs what is really on there now. I really don`t know but again. For me, IMHO, just not worth it, on balance. Been there 4-5 times, left without doing anything I think 3. Whereas, I have always had a great time at the horrible, evil Palace. Kimino my man of wings and I commented on all this on the Palace thread recently. It just goes to show how subjective it all is, and how each of us must find our way.

London will be very costly on all levels, esp now with high tourist season and pre-Olympics stresses. There have been well-reported horrific delays at airport immigration, and even conservative Financial Times columnists have been moaning what a hassle it will all be quite soon. Well be worth an off-season visit in Sept when the systems are back to normal, but right now, I doubt it. As Charlie123 can fully attest, I have been telling him for years that cost aside, the choices there are something, and I am an Anglophile by nature.

As for all the rest on the girly front in various places- as I said repeatedly, all individual taste things both in terms of beauty, and if it is "worth" it.

So as you say, for the sake of accuracy (and just fucking peace) , l now surrender completely. I concede fully you are a world-class mongering and business and logistics genius (with as you reminded us, a highly developed tongue to boot) , and look forward to your in depth thrashing of Artemis, a minute cost breakdown, and the Globe report of Truth. Finito. RB over and out.RB, why the sarcasm? Doesn't anyone have a sense of humor anymore? Or enjoy a discussion of various opinions on a topic of mutual interest? I do not intend to give Artemis a thrashing, since I approach my time there with a completely open and hopeful mind, wanting to have as much fun there as possible. And no need to concede I'm a genius, since that never was placed in issue. I'm not a genius at anything, just an intelligent guy, like you, who loves pussy, and has been chasing it around for a few years now in different locales.

Although after exchanging some thoughts with you, I think we may Truly have different tastes in beauty, because I find it hard to understand how you could not find anything to your liking at FKK Oase so as to leave it without doing anything on 3 occasions out of 4 or 5 times you visited that club. I always saw what I thought was a fairly good line up at Oase, as well as at Palace. I like both places very much and always found very pretty girls to session with at both clubs. But I do like the thin, slim hot bodies of the Romanian and Bulgarian girls, and I remember something you wrote about not liking a "waify" look. So maybe what I consider a hot bikini model, doesn't appeal to you, and you like a different type of girl, and as you say this is a matter of individual taste.

[Rocketboy0]

Thanks a ton Rocketboy and LJ for those detailed insight. BTW, you guys mention some girls will be away for summer vacation and that might put a drain on the talent available anywhere in Europe, so I was wondering when dose this summer vacation end. Reason I ask this is because I am to an extend flexible with my flight schedule and maybe I can decide when I want to visit EU. AlexHi Alex- this varies by country, and in the larger countries from region to region / Land / canton / province/city sometimes.

Everything you would ever want to know (and a lot you wouldn't) can be found here, use the school holidays tab per country (and sometimes you have to drill down to the City level):

http://www.feiertagskalender.ch/index.php?geo=0&hl=en

Examples. Berlin schools start again 3 Aug this year. Zurich, around 20 Aug. On a practical level this means most people back a few days before this to get ready. You can argue that men folk, having been stuck with their families for weeks, are raring to rutt again and so the local markets respond by increasing supply. Of course, you can also argue we are all decendants of aliens.

Summer months linger as in most of of the Northern Hemisphere til end Aug, so girls may just decide to stay away and bake it before they shake it. FKK Oase, north of Frankfurt is a kind of exception to all this, as it really is a summer place. Of course everywhere, some girls will work through summer and go off-season. And there are local anomolies-Berlin has a huge international trade fair in early Sept called the IFA. It is fairly gruelling albeit lucrative for the girls and some stay away til just before to keep their batteries charged.

But roughly, by mid-Aug schools have started in most places, and back to fuller strength.

[Norjan]

Is it correct that royal is located at floor 2 and 4?

If so, which floor should one enter when arriving?

Will there be different girls available depending on which floor you enter?

Norjan

[Angus Magee]

Is it correct that royal is located at floor 2 and 4?

If so, which floor should one enter when arriving?

Will there be different girls available depending on which floor you enter?

NorjanYou are always received on the second floor, shown which ever girls are there, make your choice and then go to the room you will use where ever that may be. I am not sure but generally shorter sessions are done in the apartment that you see the girls in. Loneger sessions and nicer rooms are in the other apartments. I have never been to the forth floor (and indeed did not know it existed) but have been taken to another flat on the same floor. The rooms in the first flat are quite alright but there are a few smaller rooms used for shorter sessions.

AM

[Rocketboy0]

You are always received on the second floor, shown which ever girls are there, make your choice and then go to the room you will use where ever that may be. I am not sure but generally shorter sessions are done in the apartment that you see the girls in. Loneger sessions and nicer rooms are in the other apartments. I have never been to the forth floor (and indeed did not know it existed) but have been taken to another flat on the same floor. The rooms in the first flat are quite alright but there are a few smaller rooms used for shorter sessions.AMAngus-you know that 4th floor is highly confidential. Now you must----well you know, make the usual disposal arrangements.

[Belvaros]

So, after my aching nuts stopped hurting (I did basically 5 days straight of sucking and fucking up to 5 women a day in Oase, World, Artemis and then an escort or 3, as well as driving nigh on 1000 miles) , BUT, I decided to honour the exceptional TOFTM work of Wanking to save me from "wanking". I am in the Adina Apts some miles from Kurfurstenstrasse. But I decided to take a long cool walk in the mild rain and wind.

I walked out of my hotel in the late morning and headed down Invalidenstraße towards the parks area. Turned down Friedrich-List-Ufer and then followed my google map thru the nice rainy park areas for a few clicks until I hit Tiergertenstrasse (spelling?). After a good 40 minutes walk and 4 or 5 kms I hit the RLD for SWs. The aforementioned Kurfurstenstrasse. And headed straight past Einsteins to the South east, so as to make sure I walk along the whole length of the SW parade. I end up near Caracas bar. I cross the road and start the exciting journey to the other end.

I reach Gentheiner strasse where the car park and Wanking's mentioned wasteland is. Boom. There are quite a few SW already out at 11. 50am. I cross the road and ask one of the nicer looking SW for the previously mentioned Alisha (blonde in the pics). The * tells me to eff off. She points to a guy on the other side. Her pimp? I ingore the advice and walk on. I come across a very attractive YOUNG (18 to 20 ish) Bulgarian lady. Black hair, fake green contacts and a slim, spinner type body. She is quite hot and I am quite horny. She knows close to zero English.

ME = "Wie viel füare die orale, ohne, Sperma in den Mund, dann werde ich dich ficken" she gives me a blank look. Oh fuck maybe my phone google translate is bad or something but I sprechen a little Deutsche. Oh oh. I have shown her my nice new Samsung phone and I am stupidly wearing a nice watch. Also visible. Eventually she says "fünfzig" I show her 40 is the only loot in my "fake wallet" and she accepts. She drags me (literally) across the road as it is a bit wet and INTO the church. Fuck me she knows a hiding spot here in the church. Nope straight into the loo (ladies) where she jams the door locked somehow. Rips out of cock and gives me the tastiest, wettest OWO ever. I CUM all over her mouth and face and some drips onto her tiny boobs which are now exposed under her flimsy blouse. I oblige by sucking off my own cum and we do a joint toast and swallow. God my spunk is very acidic or something nowadays. She doesn't have any gummie bears and I really do not want to go AO but she smells okay so I oblige with a little DATY. Then I finger fuck her puss and ass as she pushes back off a sink area with her ass, this goes on for a good 6 minutes or so and I think the little tart wants to orgasm. Nope. This is when HER PHONE rings. She grabs my loot and has her ass and body dressed quicker then you can say "mach schnell". And she is out the door. I am alone. I pull up my half mast strides and.

I leave the bathroom and see two church workers looking at me less then amused. But I am happy as I had a really great O and the little lassie was very attractive and sofffor me it WAS fun. I leave the church and herein lies my stupidity.

A bloke. Big guy. I am 6' 2" and he is me plus a few pounds is heading straight towards me. I slip back into the church. Go into a men's room and put my watch and phone in my "sown in" compartment under my balls in my cotton dacks. I leave the church and bull nose (as he looks) starts jabbering at me in Deutsche. I ignore him. He gets closer so I figure I am either going to be in a brawl which will be bad for him. Or if he has a weapon, bad for both of us. He wants money "du schuldest mir 50 €". I laugh and take off running across the busy road to a baby store. He just wanders around outside and down the side street to where I noticed a few other guys and SW hanging.

He is across the road a good 50 yards away. So I leave the baby store and sprint up Kurfürstenstraß, past the area where the pics Wanking took were from. I see a few of the girls from the pics. A chubby blonde and a nice-ish looking brunette in the red shorts (is it the one from the pics). But no ALisha and I am too hurried to worry. I jump into a cab and am off. So stupid bringing a nice watch into that situation.

[Belvaros]

Had my rental car for a few extra days til why'day so we decided to try out the brothels near tegel. Headed to Klix which I think Rocketboy has mentioned here before.

I rang beforehand to ask about a DD hottie, Tanya. JA JA she will be there. Blah blah she wasnt. So I ended up doing the works with a tight YOUNG I am guessing Ro or Bu girl. All of 18 years of age. LISA. She is on their website. (she could also be German.)

http://www.klix37.de/

The rooms look like something from my granny's house circa 1973. Pink and purple. Yuk. Just really old fashioned in a BAD WAY.

Anyway. I spent over 100 minutes with young Lisa and paid for OWO, COB, DATY. I was only interested for only a 1 hour session and it worked out to be quite expensive (for ONLY one hour) at 220 Euros but I guess for the fact we went way over time and ended up having a joyous ride including some things she says she doesn't do it was a good time "pour mois". I suspect she would do anal. But I did not as.

Looks THIN BODY = 82/100 Face = 80/100 Performace (Oral = 65/100) but sex in multiple positions, showers, DATY and her having multi O's = 95/100.

For a youngun. This one loves to be fucked in all ways. Overall I did not like the bordello as they lied on the dogger to me but Miss Lisa is worth a ride (YMMV). I would repeat with her if I could get her for an overnight on my turf only.

[Kimino]

Is it correct that royal is located at floor 2 and 4?

If so, which floor should one enter when arriving?

Will there be different girls available depending on which floor you enter?

NorjanYes. The first time I visited Royal, with Charlie123, we went at the 4th floor and where "welcomed" by a quite severe hausmut.

The next time, I went at floor 2, with a different and much more gentle hausmut. To the point where we were asking ourselves if it was the same place.

All other times, I always went to 2nd floor.

Sometimes in big rooms, other times in smaller ones.

Didn't understand the logic of this, but maybe there isn't one.

Hope I'm not mixing up things.

Anyways, Royal is probably my favorite place of that kind, only once I left because I didn't find the right girl. And I usually visit at stupid hours of the day.

In all other places I left more than once because the lineup was particularly weak. I was particularly unlucky at Tiffany, which I removed from my list, also because of a particularly rude hausmut.

Guess I should add, YMMV.

Kimino

[Ahmedaytona]

Went to this place called King George, about 50 Meters away from Eisenacher U bahn station, the entrance fee is 99 Euros where you can stay all you want, drink all you want, and of course have all the gurls you want, I like the idea, pretty cool, the girl in the reception was cool, she is Dominicana, once inside, the place is nice, a bit small, but ok, they play ok Music, I went for a few drinks, and then had this gurl from Moldova who was really friendly, and can speak English, so round one with this gurl was great, BBBJ, sex in all positions and the gurl was into it, great GFE experience, they try to let you buy drinks for the gurls which I did to that gurl as sort of tips, after that by a while and after few drinks, I went with this Russian gurl inside, the worst one ever, she got attitude, and she cannot speak English, and not into it, total disaster, I was thinking to just leave back to the bar and stop it, but I still did here till I came 30 minutes later, not a great experience, other than this girl, the place is nice, the rate is great for all the sex and drinks, they might ask you to buy a drink for a gurl, they are not pushy though, all in all great place

[Angus Magee]

I leave the bathroom and see two church workers looking at me less then amused. But I am happy as I had a really great O and the little lassie was very attractive and sofffor me it WAS fun. I leave the church and herein lies my stupidity.

A bloke. Big guy. I am 6' 2" and he is me plus a few pounds is heading straight towards me. I slip back into the church. Go into a men's room and put my watch and phone in my "sown in" compartment under my balls in my cotton dacks. I leave the church and bull nose (as he looks) starts jabbering at me in Deutsche. I ignore him. He gets closer so I figure I am either going to be in a brawl which will be bad for him. Or if he has a weapon, bad for both of us. He wants money "du schuldest mir 50 €". I laugh and take off running across the busy road to a baby store. He just wanders around outside and down the side street to where I noticed a few other guys and SW hanging.

He is across the road a good 50 yards away. So I leave the baby store and sprint up Kurfürstenstraß, past the area where the pics Wanking took were from. I see a few of the girls from the pics. A chubby blonde and a nice-ish looking brunette in the red shorts (is it the one from the pics). But no ALisha and I am too hurried to worry. I jump into a cab and am off. So stupid bringing a nice watch into that situation.RofD worthy that's for sure. I did not quite get why the big guy was after you? Did he think you short changed "his" girls?

In any case this sounds like as good a reason as any to head back to Artemis and regroup.

;)

AM

[Rocketboy0]

RofD worthy that's for sure. I did not quite get why the big guy was after you? Did he think you short changed "his" girls?

In any case this sounds like as good a reason as any to head back to Artemis and regroup.

AMIndeed-the assumption here is either vaguely insufficient pimping fees, or watch and phone. But it might just be, they have read his earlier reports, and simply want his balls.

Plus, as we now know, even the regrouping at Fort Artemis means being able to first penetrate the high crime zone that envelopes Westkreuz, and those elements might be in cahoots with the street guys further east.

And, this has profound implications for the Valets of the Dolls parking service-which may have grossly underestimated the payoffs that will be needed to keep all going. And then the danger aspect, which may require actual body guards now. The whole plan is at risk. Yet another needless shit storm stirred up.

[Belvaros]

The parking "boys" were noticeably absent I noticed this week at Artemis, the Euros demise it seems has been met by yet another start up business failure!

Big guy prolly thought he would extort some Euros out of me for only paying his wench a 40 quid fee plus said watch whcih is and ow safely ensconced in hotel safe.

Trying some of the escort sites later this week plus will report on Artemis and escorts etc. Having a right royal shagging time in Germany. So much easier than EE hell holes. Was going to scoot up to Denmark but will just go onto Prague-Wien-Budapest then spend the last weeks back in Berlin for Ramadan. Was going to head to Constanta and other parts of Romania but couldn't be fucked flying or getting a train that far.

"Party on Wayne"

[Wanking]

ME = "Wie viel füare die orale, ohne, Sperma in den Mund, dann werde ich dich ficken" she gives me a blank look. Oh fuck maybe my phone google translate is bad or something but I sprechen a little Deutsche. Oh oh. I have shown her my nice new Samsung phone and I am stupidly wearing a nice watch. Also visible. Eventually she says "fünfzig" I show her 40 is the only loot in my "fake wallet" and she accepts. She drags me (literally) across the road as it is a bit wet and INTO the church. Fuck me she knows a hiding spot here in the church. Nope straight into the loo (ladies) where she jams the door locked somehow. Rips out of cock and gives me the tastiest, wettest OWO ever. I CUM all over her mouth and face and some drips onto her tiny boobs which are now exposed under her flimsy blouse. I oblige by sucking off my own cum and we do a joint toast and swallow. God my spunk is very acidic or something nowadays. She doesn't have any gummie bears and I really do not want to go AO but she smells okay so I oblige with a little DATY. Then I finger fuck her puss and ass as she pushes back off a sink area with her ass, this goes on for a good 6 minutes or so and I think the little tart wants to orgasm. Nope. This is when HER PHONE rings. She grabs my loot and has her ass and body dressed quicker then you can say "mach schnell". And she is out the door. I am alone. I pull up my half mast strides and.Nice report there Belvaros, One thing about these street sluts is that the time is so short. Really not much more than 10 mins, and even Belvaros paid 40 euro and seemed to only get 10 or 15 mins. You really need to be ready to shot your load fast when you take a session with these street ladies. Even though they are cheap, due to the fact that the session is over so quick its not really good value, unless you are into really short sessions which I am not. Only reason I enjoy these ladies is because I find the idea of having dirty smelly sex with a dirty smelly street girl very erotic!

[LilJoey]

Thanks a ton Rocketboy and LJ for those detailed insight. As always, experts tend to have different opinions on a given topic and its is ultimately left to the reader to analyze those opinions and make an informed decision. I guess I`ll just wait for LJ to report on his experience in Zurich and Berlin after that if I am still in a dilemma over which city to monger along with Berlin, I guess I`ll toss a coin to decide. BTW, you guys mention some girls will be away for summer vacation and that might put a drain on the talent available anywhere in Europe, so I was wondering when dose this summer vacation end. Reason I ask this is because I am to an extend flexible with my flight schedule and maybe I can decide when I want to visit EU. Well given this will be my 1st Mongering trip, I do not mind splurging for GFE with some fine hotties.

AlexNote to UmichaLex: change in my travel plans and the date for my Zurich visit. See report filed in the Lounge and Chat area, per AM's recommendations for a more tidy Berlin and Artemis thread.

[Belvaros]

Went back to Kurfurstenstrasse a few hundred yards from the church area I was in the other day. Was a bit miserable out. Kind of like a BAD winter's day in LA. Anyway. I located the exact area where Wanking found young Alisha and the photo booth area. Alisha looked misrable so I went and got her a coca cola at the deli. Then I went with a buxom yet skinny Bulgarian / Romanian sheila. She of the slightly dark features and skin. But man at 6 2" it is a squeeze getting someone to suck your balls in that space. Typical 20 euro straight BBBJ session. I timed it. It lasted all of 11 minutes. Still I ended up cumming in her hand. Went for DATY after but time was up and she smelled a little BAD. I was wearing OLD JEANS. A fishing shirt and torn sneakers. I had 5 lots of 20 Euros on me all in 5 euro denoms. Each hidden in either socks, internal pocket and one pocket so the girls could see I was light on the loot.

Ended up down the road near where my big pimp mate was the other day at a ciccha bar. Hilarious place. Cafe nacht 1001 off Kurfurstrasse down on Potsdamer Platz around 100 yards or so. Full of local MOROCCANS and Lebanese so I got to practice some Arab speak and tried hitting on an absolute 25 yr old stunner. But alas her big boofhead bf was there and he looked like he was "LOADED for BEAR". Still I escpaed with her phone nos. Not sure why cause I've only got another week or so here this time.

Anyway. At the corner of Pots Platz and Kurfurstenstrasse I ran into another SW. Claimed to be a German girl. YOUNG. I was scared she was under 18 so I left and went for a stroll all the way up the other end of Kurfurstenstrasse via Cafe Einstein for a quick look (touristy) then up to Budapeststrasse (?) and a seat at the bar at the Intercontinental. I looked a bit rough so I got some stares. I left spending only 20 quid of my stash. Time for a rest.

[Rocketboy0]

Went for DATY after but time was up and she smelled a little BAD. I was wearing OLD JEANS. A fishing shirt and torn sneakers. I had 5 lots of 20 Euros on me all in 5 euro denoms. Each hidden in either socks, internal pocket and one pocket so the girls could see I was light on the loot.Wanking- I do believe you now have your own Mini Me. Or Cunter S. Thompson. Either way, living the dream.

[Belvaros]

I'm a man of wealth and taste. Well not so much of the taste. Took it under advisement to avoid Oranienburgerstrasse girls but as they are REALLY CLOSE to my hotel digs I thought I would check out this raging East Berlin area.

I walked there the other night and took in the scene. Great vibe even with all the grafiti and rough looking street urchins around. But fuck me some of these WOMEN ARE HOT. Like Nina, Melody and Cheyenne at Artemis hot and there are a few who could bench press 220 I am guessing. Seriously, there is one blonde broad who is taller than me and must pack a punch of the Cassius Clay variety.

Me,"Sie sprechen English"

Her,"Ja Ja. Of course. 100 Euros for one hour."

Me,"What is this the Hyatt or something.".

Her,"75 and I'll suck you."

Me,"Nein, nein. 9."

I walk on to the park area at the end of the street and there is a vision of Nordic beauty standing. I mean swaying there. She is off her face, but still kind of lucid. Local German girl. She will do me in the park for 75 Euros. Looks like the local union has them organized pretty well. Next girl same story except she wants 250 Euros for the night at my hotel. Nope. I leave and walk down to an Irish pub around the corner and then go to the Riva Bar which I walked by a few weeks ago. Headed in here and there are several lovelies, clearly of the WG variety sitting there at the rather cool large oval bar inside and many hotties everywhere. Quite the scene. I grab a drink and wait for a seat to open at the bar.

I just stand there like a big dufus watching 2 very pretty women for about 10 minutes. For WG they are a bit shy it seems. I make eye contact with a mega hot blonde, she must weight 100 lbs wringing wet. She smiles back. I approach. Tell her I am here for a good time in Berlin not a long time and "Bob's your uncle". Within 30 secs she has her hand on my pants and is haggling over a LT price. 300E for the night. I almost choke on my lager and she takes that as a no. Turns her back on me and ignores me.

I find a seat at the bar and a very waify pretty older (40-50) Russian / Bulgarian (?) approaches. She asks for a drink. I offer her a drink at my apartment and some fun. 300 E she says. I say I have only 190 Euros in my wallet and cannot get anymore money today. So if you stay all night I will give you that in the morning. She counters with you can get more money tomorrow. Nope sorry I say I have New Zealand bank account and they only allow 1000E per weekend. I cannot get more until Sunday night. I am using my cc for my drinks I say. She wanders off.

So I sit and have my beer, order another. The Bulgarian goes and talks to the mega hot blonde. The Bulgarian leaves and as soon as she does the blondie comes over and says "Your money. 190 Euros for 1 hour". Me "Nein, nein. 999999999999, all night and you get paid in the morning". Sheepishly she walks away again. 1 hour later it is near midnight and Miss Blondie hasn't had any luck tonight. She comes back to me again. Okay 190 Euros, but I have to leave at 5am. No problem. But I tell her we are walking home as it is close and if she wants the 190 E I am not spending anything on a cab."I want oral without, I want to blow on your tits and CIM. Then I want to fuck you 4 ways. I want at least 3 pops or you are not getting fully paid".

We agree on paying her 80 Euros once we are inside my apartment AFTER she showers and the rest at 5am.

Great time, great lay, tight body and very light. Had the biotch bouncing all over the place. The upside down 69 came into play. She earned her loot and left quietly with her hard earneds. Pics to follow when I download some. Her name is Nastya. Ukrainian / Russian lady. OLD by usual mongering standards but as I am no spring chicken myself, I enjoyed the foray into the older flesh. What a tight fuck. She hangs at RivaBar and when she can at some of the 5 star hotel bars apparently.

Rivabar on Dirksenstrasse. It's worth a look!

"Please to meet you, hope you guessed."

[JackieBoy]

Hi all,

I'll be for the the first time in Berlin in August, and once read all this thread I decided to try flat-rate brothel.

Do you have any updated news about the Caligula or the King George or some othere places like this one?

I also found this place, who looks more "open"

http://www.erlebniswohnung.com/en/

Anyone has ever been there?

Thank you all, and sorry for my english but it's not my language.

[JackieBoy]

Hi guys.

I'll be in Berlin for the first time in August. I would like to try this flat-rate brothel as Caligula or King George.

Someone as some news about this places? In Berlin there are other flat-rate oriented? Feel free to help.

Thank you all

[Angus Magee]

Hi all,

I'll be for the the first time in Berlin in August, and once read all this thread I decided to try flat-rate brothel.

Do you have any updated news about the Caligula or the King George or some othere places like this one?

I also found this place, who looks more "open"

http://www.erlebniswohnung.com/en/

Anyone has ever been there?

Thank you all, and sorry for my english but it's not my language.As far as I remember there have been a couple of pretty recent (within the last month or so) reports on both the KG and Caligula. Perhaps you missed them reading the thread.

As for Erlebniswohnung there is a whole thread dedicated to it which is quite active.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3290-Erlebniswohnung-GangBang-Club-Berlin

AM

[Charlie 123]

I'm a man of wealth and taste. Rivabar on Dirksenstrasse. It's worth a look!

"Please to meet you, hope you guessed."Great report, clear RoD material. I'd RoD it myself if I knew how. Angus?

A terrific post showing exactly how to pick up all-nighters on the street. I admire your tough negotiating stance. A real weak area in my own mongering game.

I will be in town with Kimino later this week and am tempted to try this place out. If you don't mind, can you be a bit more specific about the quality of the women you saw in this bar looks-wise? And how about 'service'. How did your conquest compare to a standard decent session at Artemis, say?

Thanks.

C

[Belvaros]

RIVABAR. Apparently, the bar is owned by a former footy superstar? Called Gigi Riva, excuse me if I do NOT know who he is. Maybe if he was Zola, or Cantona or even George Best I would know the bloke.

The bar is very cool, kind of in a COLD clinical German way. Cocktails were of the 9 quid up price and beers I think were 3 to 6 or so if that makes sense. But there were plenty of $$$ seeking women of the Premier League variety, Championship Divvie I and even a few amateurs seeking sugar poppas or so it seemed. Found a few rude groups but most people were very friendly to me. I actually circled the room and spoke with many women and couples just in a blokey kind of way unless I got a vibe. I really like the German women. Very direct it seems. I recommend a Fri or Sat night. As my mate went on a Wed and it was "Sausage-fest city".

The Pro. Performance was good from Blondie because I kind of had the $$$$ still mainly in hand and played a solid pre-match strategy of using the counterattack in a 4-5-1. Ie I let the bints know I was either going home alone. Going elsewhere or getting my sweet spot value of pussy there at my price / s. Compared to Artemis where I RATE THE WOMEN VERY HIGHLY. This was say a 65/100 effort by her versus an average 85/100 for the Artemis women I have been with. BBBJ skills are definitely higher at FKKs than from any SW, escort, hotel or BAR hookers I have had except for the Hungarian girls on rosszlanyok. Hu. I think this woman just wanted to avoid the whole cock in mouth thing but obliged for the 110 spondoolies I held back.

I liked the bar versus sitting on the side and as it is oval shaped to oblong shaped it is easy to eye off the candy. Other women I counted. (a habit of mine). Of 57 I counted there was a a few 90/100s. 1 near perfection and a smattering of 80/100s down to ugly WIVES of the near zero garden variety ugly cow. Overall a good looking crowd of all ages.

Quiet night in here then off to Wien tomorrow for a few days.

[Rocketboy0]

The Pro. Performance was .say a 65/100 effort by her versus an average 85/100 for the Artemis women I have been with.So deconstructing this a little, beyond the story telling material, entertainment value, of course the indescribable feeling of conquest (for money) , several hours stalking, and almost 200 EUR later, all this results in only a so so session? Not to mention a range of risks run.

Value, like beauty, in the eye of the beholder I guess. Could it be due to the wrong Stones reference? Perhaps the earlier "I Can't Get No." is a better choice.

[Angus Magee]

RIVABAR. Apparently, the bar is owned by a former footy superstar? Called Gigi Riva, excuse me if I do NOT know who he is. Maybe if he was Zola, or Cantona or even George Best I would know the bloke.I am guessing your teachers used to say that you were not detail oriented? No worries as I was always the researcher from hell.

;)

Here are a couple of links, one to google maps showing the location plus the street view and also the webpage of the bar itself, a kind of annoying, jazzy flash affaire aimed at giving you an experience of the bar no doubt, not at giving you much actual usaful information.

http://goo.gl/maps/Oo1BB

http://goo.gl/maps/8Cq1

http://www.riva-berlin.de/

Finally the place does get mention on the website worldsbestbars.

http://www.worldsbestbars.com/germany/berlin/riva

Good scouting there Belvaros.

AM

[BionicMan]

RIVABAR. Apparently, the bar is owned by a former footy superstar? Called Gigi Riva, excuse me if I do NOT know who he is. Maybe if he was Zola, or Cantona or even George Best I would know the bloke.A simple search on Wikipedia will tell you the abouts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigi_Riva

[Charlie 123]

So deconstructing this a little, beyond the story telling material, entertainment value, of course the indescribable feeling of conquest (for money) , several hours stalking, and almost 200 EUR later, all this results in only a so so session? Not to mention a range of risks run.

Value, like beauty, in the eye of the beholder I guess. Could it be due to the wrong Stones reference? Perhaps the earlier "I Can't Get No." is a better choice.Its sounds to me like a pretty fun adventure to me at a modest price and a succesful outcome. Not every session can be a 5 star winner, and at the end of the day, 'we all need someone we can cream on' and blondie did the business. Sorely tempted to try this place. Kimino?

BTW, I suspect the former footy ace referred to may have been Luigi Riva, compatriot and team mate of the great Gianni Rivera. Kimino, again?

C

[Kimino]

Its sounds to me like a pretty fun adventure to me at a modest price and a succesful outcome. Not every session can be a 5 star winner, and at the end of the day, 'we all need someone we can cream on' and blondie did the business. Sorely tempted to try this place. Kimino?Ahaha Not really my thing I think but If you need support I'll be right there with my laser sword and my flower bathing cap ready to jump out of the dark if you need help! LOL.

I'm looking around to see if there's anything else to be used as an interrupt for Artemis but not really finding much.

That is, except this one:

http://www.vankampenberlin.de/kate1.html

But I think she is not working on wed / thurs.

Sigh.


BTW, I suspect the former footy ace referred to may have been Luigi Riva, compatriot and team mate of the great Gianni Rivera. Kimino, again?That's the man!

Kimino

[Angus Magee]

That is, except this one:

http://www.vankampenberlin.de/kate1.htmlCool, If the session gets boring you can always spend your time reading her tattoos. Looks like she has a novel written on her body.

AM

[Belvaros]

Cool, If the session gets boring you can always spend your time reading her tattoos. Looks like she has a novel written on her body.

AM75F boobs, how awesome is that. May be worth a try even at 150 E per hour. Got to play with those bolt ons!

In Vienna for a few days. GT tomorrow. Bars tonight.

[Belvaros]

A simple search on Wikipedia will tell you the abouts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigi_RivaYes, sorry was writing hopefully, some useful data from my investigations into new places. I could really care less who owns said place, just added it as info. Should I known said player was a famous Azzuri twat, than, I might have just ignored his reference!

"Party on Wayne"

[Rocketboy0]

Cool, If the session gets boring you can always spend your time reading her tattoos. Looks like she has a novel written on her body.AMYes, the Illustrated Ho.

On an unrelated but perhaps slightly topic-see the latest showers craze on the Artemis thread, you know the VIP rooms at both Royal and especially KD have some pretty slick en suite showers. A lot more private and doable than the Liebe Bahnhoff, but of course less bragging rights.

[Kbkbal]

Second visit to Berlin and second visit to Kashima, on Kantstraße. I dithered a bit on whether to cancel my appointment and go back to Artemis again (please see my report in the Artemis thread) , weighing up the value-for-money equation between paying €240 for basically a wank versus having paid €320 for three fucks at Artemis a couple of days previously. Decided to stay with Kashima on the basis that variety is the spice of life, and I'm glad that I did.

It's a pity you can't ask for a specific masseuse at Kashima, because if you could I would highly recommend Conny, who seemed to have a genuinely intuitive touch and gave me a wonderfully sensuous, teasing, arousing massage for three hours before finishing me off with a very trippy happy ending.

I practically floated out the door afterwards...

[Angus Magee]

...a pity you can't ask for a specific masseuse at Kashima, because if you could I would highly recommend Conny, who seemed to have a genuinely intuitive touch and gave me a wonderfully sensuous, teasing, arousing massage for three hours before finishing me off with a very trippy happy ending.As far as I know you can request a specific masseuse when booking an appointment at Kashima. As long as the girl is working at the the time you are wanting to have the massage and is not otherwise booked. It is quite possible to book a couple days in advance if you need to.

AM

[Velo Berlin]

weighing up the value-for-money equation between paying €240 for basically a wank versus having paid €320 for three fucks at Artemis a couple of days previously.Or staying up to twelve hours, and fucking a dozen girls multiple times (including oral without and some anal) at Berlin's Erlbniswohnung for €90 (Monday to Friday) or €100 max, including all you can eat buffet and all the drinks you want?

Decisions, decisions.

Cheers

[Kimino]

Thursday morning, actually it was around 14:00, me and Charlie123 making up our mind to see if we would fancy some kind of tour before heading to Artemis. Should we try Liberty? Head straight to Royal? Etc. Etc.

We decide to call up Monrouge to know who was in and to my surprise, Dea was there.

http://www.monrouge.com/models/details/dea.html

I've been trying (without too much effort) to meet the girl for months but either she wasn't there or she would come in late so I never had a chance. Other interesting girls where present so we both decided to grab a taxi and go to Monrouge.

As said before, Monrouge is quite a nice place, very comfortable, a nice waiting are with big sofas etc. A bar.

We took a drink and after a couple of minutes 3 girls showed up and we started talking a bit.

I decided for Dea and off we went to a room.

Dea looked much more skinny than what I expeted and had her hair pulled up in the back. I initially almost dodn't recognize her, still was beautiful.

We entered a very big room with separate bathroom where a very big Jacuzi and a shower was present.

Talked a bit with her just to break some ice and then we wnet through the unelegant menu part of the the thing. LOL.

She said all the prices for shorter session then 150 for 1hr, +40 for BBBJ, +20 for kissing. I told her I would take the whole kit and that was it.

Took a shower and then we started.

Dea for me was actually an Optiflick but to this was added a very nice and sweet session. Her attitude is really nice and doesn't give you the idea that you are just buying a service. For the details we had DFK, DATY and all the basic stuff. It was quite hot and we swet a lot but it was real fun.

I don't know how much time passed, but when we finished we both took a shower, smoked a cigarette and talked for a while.

I realy enjoyed the session, the girls and the place. I recomend her, will probably repeat.

Next time I will ask her to wear some lingerie for me, I always forget to do this.

Next, met Charlie outside and headed to Artemis.

Great experience.

Thanks Charlie for deciding to try and make them a call!

Kimino

[ToiletMan]

hi all you perverts!

my name is david and i am right now visit berlin and writing this from my hotel room.

i have been here 8 times the last year and there is no other place for me to meet girls, because i love berlin!

i really love streeet girls and want to share my experiences!

i only visit "kuffursenstrasse"/postdammerstrasse" this area is the absolut best place in whole berlin!

the streets arround the "lsd" sex store are the best ways to meet girls!

as you see in my profile name, i am a really perverted man and always and only looking for really perverted kinky extreme stuff.

like dirty extreme games with girls!

i have been here 4 days now and already played with over 7 girls!

so what can i say more about this place:

there is alot of bulguarian / romanian girls here, some of them are really nice and good.

but some of them are just really bad! so be really careful and negotiate everything you want to do before you go with them.

standard prise for these girls are 50 euro, and then you pay 10 euro for the pension (30 minutes).

many of these girls are using drugs, thats no problem for me.

i also recomend that you look for german girls in this area, some of them do everything you want!

i like to abuse some girls and tream them really hard and slap pussy, face spit and stuff.

if you want to do that the price is like about 70-100 euro for 1 hour.

i also love rep001 / toilet games!

alot of these girls are willing to do that! they can shit [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) and stuff on you for about 50-100 euro and you can also lick them clean.

yes i know i am a sick perverted man! .

prices:

bulguarian / romanian girls. fuck and suck 50 euro + 10 euro pension. standard price.

german girls in this area. fuck and suck 50 euros + 10 euro pension. standard price.

rep001 / wet games. differens i use to pay 50-100 euros for 30 minutes (they shit and [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) on you)

drug street girls. blow job 20 euro.

bdsm. about 50-100 euro and you can do almost what you want if you have told them before.

if you spend more like 30-100 euro + the price abow you can get some of the girls to let you film & photo.

some only ask for 10 euros more some more.

every girl are negotiable!

so be honest what you want to do and you will get what you want.

i recomend that you take the girl to the pension first time!

if you like her and she is nice, next time you can take her to your hotel.

the hotels often don't have any problem with you taking girls to the room.

and you people how love to humiliate and punish girls, i recomend the bulguarian girls.

they can do anything you want if you give them a good offer, the best girls is the more "ugly ones" and the real drug addicts often do anything for money.

i also will tell you more about my experiences and prices i paid.

and i am a good negotiater.

1 girl- rumanian = i licked her asshole and she spit in my mouth. then she pissed and shit in my face.

i smear the shit in her breast and sucked them clean. price: 100 euro / 1 hour and i also videotaped it.

2 girl: bulguarian = i let her licked my asshole, and slapped her pussy and breast real hard, she started to cry and wanted me to stop, i offered her 20 euro more to countinue she agree. then i fucked her throat untill she vomit. then shit and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on her body. price: 200 euro 1 hour.

3 girl: german = real nice and not good looking girl, i gave her 20 euro for 30 minutes bjb.

4 girl: bulgarian = real nice and good looking girl, licked her asshole for 10 minutes, then she licked mine.

i slaped her face real hard and then put the cum in her face : price 70 euro 30 minutes.

so all i can say more:

the german girls are most honsest!

the bulguarian / romanian girls. some really good some just fooling! so negotiate everything before you go with them.

be nice to the girls and then you can buy everything for money here!

example:

i meet 1 girl like 19 why / o really sexy small and clean girl.

she had bruices all over her body, she met 1 man who liked to torture breast and pussy.

he pais her 500 euroes for 2 hours.

and then he could do anything he wanted!

i meen everything!

so be nice to the girls and honest!

and you will have the best time of your life in berlin (kuffusenstrasse / postdammerstrasse. just go to the big lsd sex shop and walk arround the block, you will understand what i mean!

i hope you like this report!

i will write more when i get home!

i am sorry, but i like really perverted nasty stuff, i know some of you don't like this.

but for you who do, just ask questions if you want more information!

[WarmStone25]

KD.

I visited Kamilla Dee again on 25 July following my unsuccessful visit a few weeks ago.

On this occasion I was shown to a nice room to meet the girls rather than the small plain box room of a few weeks ago (as reported).

I was shown four girls the others being busy.

One of the girls was Penny whose picture is on the web site.

The madam returned and said that one of the girls had said that she had a booking and was no longer available. So the choice was reduced to one from three. The first girl looked to be the most interested but Penny looked very sexy on the web site picture to me, so I chose her instead.

Penny took me to the other apartment one level up, where we were alone. I was shown to a nicely appointed room where I was left alone for a while. So I got undressed. When Penny returned I asked if I could take a shower. I was shown to the shower and Penny waited in the room.

On my return I got into action. Penny was willing and appeared to want to get me to pop as soon as possible. I felt that the chemistry between us was not working at this point. I started to control myself to prolong the action. Penny did not want me to lick her breast because she did not like it.

I noticed the wrinkles on the side of her breast. Penny changed positions on request but after 20 minutes appeared to become frustrated and started to use her hand vigorously, saying 'I am going to get this thing'. I prolonged the encounter for another 5 minutes. As soon as I had popped Penny disappeared from the room for at least 5 minutes and returned with beaming smile. On her return

Penny showed no interest in filling in the remaining time with me and instead started to tidy the room. I had waited on the bed for her return, but when I saw here intentions, I proceeded to get dressed, but slowly.

This encounter is a complete contrast with that of one from a few weeks ago at Royal (as reported).

When I went to leave Penny sped ahead and disappeared into the second floor apartment without a thank you or good bye. The madam did not appear to ask me how things were instead I heard the laughter from behind the door. Penny appeared to enjoy that part of it.

Penny does not appear to me to be as good as she appears in the picture and a picture does not tell a story. I felt as if I was the last of the day and Penny wanted to get it over with so she could get home. There is an asterisk against Penny's name on the web site. Perhaps this should be taken as a warning. Although Kamilla Dee has nice premises my experience at Royal was far better.

Kamilla Dee I understood to be one of the bettere places but I may have to strike Kamilla Dee from the list of places to visit.

[Rocketboy0]

Be nice to the girls and then you can buy everything for money here!

She had bruices all over her body, she met 1 man who liked to torture breast and pussy.

I will write more when I get home.

Just ask questions if you want more information!I think there is no need to write more-you've pretty much said it. There are some very subtle concepts here of how to be "nice" to the girls. Of course these things go on and I guess it can get aired out on the forum. At least some of the street romantics can have a better picture of what else is going on there. It might all be somewhat less dramatic by not using paragraph returns after each sentence. So it is less biblical in length.

This is tapping into some pretty dark forces, on both sides. It is also pushing legal boundaries. Personally, I find all this deeply revolting and exploitative. I think any follow up might best be handled via PMs.

[Cock Sure]

Nice report David.

I look forward to more of your posts telling us more about Berlin scene.

Before anyone judge this man, everything he does is consensual. This is only a matter of taste, so don't judge this man. He treats the girls well.


Hi all you perverts!

My name is David and I am right now visit Berlin and writing this from my hotel room.

[Angus Magee]

Nice report David.

I look forward to more of your posts telling us more about Berlin scene.

Before anyone judge this man, everything he does is consensual. This is only a matter of taste, so don't judge this man. He treats the girls well.Got to agree here. I may not be interested in his particular kink but if he is paying for a consensual encounter, and paying well, who is anyone else to say that it is exploitive? That seems to be a false assumption. I mean all the stuff discussed on this forum is probably seen as exploitive by some. Best, in my opinion, is that if you are not interested in TM's post just not to read them. They are obviously controversial.

AM

[Kimino]

Got to agree here. I may not be interested in his particular kink but if he is paying for a consensual encounter, and paying well, who is anyone else to say that it is exploitive? That seems to be a false assumption. I mean all the stuff discussed on this forum is probably seen as exploitive by some. Best, in my opinion, is that if you are not interested in TM's post just not to read them. They are obviously controversial.

AMI don't agree, I judge, I'm happy I'm judjing and if it was for me I would confine this crap in a dedicated thread.

If this kind of stuff was to become common on this board I would very probably stop following it.

Nothing personal.

My2cents.

Kimino

[Belvaros]

aghhhh. really. do we need to get into this form of perversion here. maybe, free speech and all. then again free speech is not consequence free speech. in future i suppose we can add to the ignore list and for the record. almost every street girl i spoke with could be had for 20 euros. fwiw

[Rocketboy0]

I don't agree, I judge, I'm happy I'm judjing and if it was for me I would confine this crap in a dedicated thread.

If this kind of stuff was to become common on this board I would very probably stop following it.

KiminoI knew when I posted earlier this would happen. Our poster also says he understands this is not everyone`s cup of tea (or box of caviar) , and so fair enough. But here are some complications.

First, all countries have laws that do overrule what consenting adults may do. The various stories about internet ads for murder and chopped up bits videos etc. Being an obvious example. TM seems to have skirted this line, but his story about meeting someone who had been "consensually" abused probably crosses it. However inconsistent and selective, there are laws to prevent people from harming themselves. You cannot deny that there is a continuum here and that at some point, there is a line. This varies from person to person but there are limits. And while this is the bane of Libertarians, the fact is that all cultures and societies have ended up with a wide range of taboos and rules on such things.

Angus's point about exploitation itself being a slippery concept is real but again, there is a line. I myself have on occasion bailed on a p4p because I didn't think the provider was in full command of her senses, or seemed (yes yes IMHO) to be of questionable mental stability. I am no angel on this point, and I was probably doing it for myself out of some sense of threat vs some genuine concern for another. But if I feel that consent aside, a partner does not seem at ease with the situation, end of story. You can easily say, well that is all relative and fair enough but I think most (certainly not all, but most) of the girls in the private flats here, or Artemis, are comfortable doing what they do. Of course, if we really knew whatever was driving that-financial pressures, abuse, father stuff, all the usual suspects, we might view this differently. Or they hide it well. But the comfort zone seems real enough.

But call me a prude or narrow, but you (I) just cannot equate, respectful, fun sex as on the same level as what TM described. There are deeper things going on and it is no accident that there are taboos and rules and laws about them. Messing around with human wastes, or some playful low level S&M is one thing (not mine but ok some do enjoy it all) but physical abuse is quite another. Is there a clear dividing line. Again not so simple to say where, but there is a line.

Finally on Kimino's point, I think Albert Camus in The Plague said it best. When faced with moral relativism, the act of not judging is itself a judgement; you have decided deliberately not to judge. Ultimately we are all our own judges. But having fooled around with anarchy, we decided over several thousand years, that indeed lines needed drawing. No simple answers here and of course you can go on and on about freedom, the proper role of the state, what does "consent" really mean etc. Same argument about smoking, drugs, child porn, etc. All old battles.

When I first read TM's post, I thought, well, let it ride. But it did turn inside my head a few hours, and all these issues started spinning around, so hence this post.

Let us move this to I dunno the Lounge or something, as it could go on and on. It is useful that people see what is happening on the Mean Streets here, and they then decide. At least we now cannot say we do not know. And I also don't think reasonable people, who may well disagree on where the line is drawn, would say there is no line.

Finis-RB

[Cock Sure]

Well nearly all p4p providers have been exploited before plying their trade. Either abused growing up or trafficked or whatever. I don't think we should judge this man. He has committed no illegal acts. And if anyone says they are immoral or unethical, plenty people would say that about all acts of paying for sex.

To say his kinks are "bad" and your own are "OK" is hypocritical. Nobody can force their own place where they draw the line on the rest of this board. I have read far worse on this board.

[Belvaros]

MY nuts are killing me after a few weeks of intense punting so decided to just walk around this great city for the last 2 days. Going to save my sperm for Jenna when she returns to Artemis FKK next week. Anyway as usual I digress. So I walked from my hotel in midtown Mitte on Friday evening and in no particular order ended up at 1) Billy Wilders 2) Vox 3) Marriott Bar then later on the other side of town the excellent 4) Bellini 5) Rivabar and 6) Reingold Speakeasy.

Plenty of tarts out for the night at each bar with some high end hotel WG types and semi-pros at most venues. I walked into Billy Wilders, was sneered at by the wait-staff so walked out but the other places were fun and generally cool.

Vox. The bar attached to the elegant restaurant is large and filled with couples, business types and a few single women form 20s-60s. I chatted to 3 or 4 30 ish types. Local German lasses on the "party plan". Asked one for price and she almost hit me. Oh well. Next. Drinks are pricey $$$$ and the vibe kind of sterile. The bar man told me they get a lt of p4p later in the night on Thu-Sat generally. Will check back again next week.

http://www.vox-restaurant.de/bar.html

Marriott Hotel Bar. Been here before and there are several 30 something WGs who sit and smile at single male drinkers. I think the going rate few weeks back was 300Euros. Will go midweek and see what I can partake of.

Bellini. Cool, busy spot with outdoor seating, plenty of couples, plenty of middle aged guys like me and a few really hot semi-pros and wannabe women. Chatted to a pair of Romanian WGs who appeared to be off duty (FKK or brothel girls) who said they went there to find one off rich businessmen for $500 fucks. I laughed and said I could literally die at Artemis before I spent that much. Will be back tonight for a Sunday night gander.

Rivabar. A smentioned before, this can be a greta place

[ToiletMan]

I understand that some people are not like what I writing.

I think my report is good and I thank you members who liked it.

Offcourse there is different people who like different stuff!

I love really nasty kinky and perverted games, But I pay for it!

I never do anything the girls not want to do, I negotiate before and then we agree, so whats wrong with that?

If the girls are working on the street they will proboblay meet really dangerous and sadistic people, and thats not me!

I like most to be humiliated from these girls, and they get paid for doing that!

Also I sometimes love to abuse and slap them hard.

BUT, offcourse I will not go harder on them, if they ask me to stop!

I am perverted kinky extreme and I fucking love it.

[ToiletMan]

I understand that some people are not like what I writing.

I think my report is good and I thank you members who liked it.

Offcourse there is different people who like different stuff!

I love really nasty kinky and perverted games, But I pay for it!

I never do anything the girls not want to do, I negotiate before and then we agree, so whats wrong with that?

If the girls are working on the street they will proboblay meet really dangerous and sadistic people, and thats not me!

I like most to be humiliated from these girls, and they get paid for doing that!

Also I sometimes love to abuse and slap them hard.

BUT, offcourse I will not go harder on them, if they ask me to stop!

I am perverted kinky extreme and I fucking love it!

If some people have problems with that, don't read my posts!

I know some people really like this.

David

[Bobo.fr]

. Etc.

Penny took me to the other apartment one level up, where we were alone.

Etc.

When I went to leave Penny sped ahead and disappeared into the second floor apartment without a thank you or good bye. The madam did not appear. Etc.1) When you wrote "second floor" do you mean the floor with the board "Text&Form" (If I remember well, depending on US or UK, first floor = ground floor and so second floor = third floor!)

If the meeting took place at the floor above the one with the board "Text&Form", in general, the "madam" didn't appear anymore (unless she was bringing up towels or some other housekeeping jobs)


. Etc.

There is an asterisk against Penny's name on the web site. Perhaps this should be taken as a warning. Etc.Ladies with asterik : in general, that means that, in spite of their presence on the schedule, they may be absent; so it' s better to call the house before coming.

[SwingerLover]

I am sorry, but I like really perverted nasty stuff, I know some of you don't like this.No, you are not sorry! If you were, you wouldn't have written so much about it! So don't apologize if it's not sincere and not for something that doesn't require an apology in the first place. You like what you do, the ones you did it with didn't object, so why the apology, especially when no laws were broken?

The only thing I really disliked about your report was the layout. In the future, please don't make a seperate column of each sentence and simply write a regular text.

[Rocketboy0]

the only thing i really disliked about your report was the layout. in the future, please don't make a separate column of each sentence and simply write a regular text.

indeed. and to then post it basically 2 times, recently. so purely in the interest of conserving isg page space.......

i think really the best solution is that a new berlin thread or germany thread is created such as the perv zone or some name the people feel is appropriate. i understand all too well the argument on both sides, but i know a lot of us are uncomfortable with this stuff here. it might just be better if it finds another home.

it may well be absurd to enforce some sort of minimal behaviour code here as the free for all give and take is what makes the forum. i understand others do not agree and have the right not to. and this whole business is fraught with complex issues, such as who appoints who to create and enforce standards. but i think from some pms i've gotten, and some of the other comments posted, there is a developing "community" sense that these rough thoughts can be expressed but really belong elsewhere.

there is a big difference between reflecting some sort of group value judgement and "hypocricy", which is saying one thing and doing another (for those cocksure about such things). if a number of people think they should ignore tms posts, block him, or even say if the forum continues in this vein they will stop reading it, suggests a broader discomfort.

i will however say again that i really do find it personally revolting. free speech is one thing. but to think that

1 / by merely stating one is a pervert, this grants some sort of absolution where anything goes, and
2 / if a girl "willingly agrees" to be paid to be slapped around and abused, that all is well with the world, is just imho ludicrous. it is also bordering on some thin legal ice.

is this judgement arbitrary, ignoring all sorts of issues like all working girls have deep psychological and financial/power issues that we mongers are tapping into to a greater or lesser extent, etc.? yep. it is arbitrary.
do i bury these thoughts when dabbling? yep. most def.
do i have all kinds of silly rationalizations at hand to make it all ok? yep.
is thus saying there is a line here ridiculous? yep.

but it does not change the (my) sense that there is a line, and it has been crossed.
such is the state of play in our murky, imperfect world.

but for all you pervs yearning to breathe free, i am defending your right to say it. just that i think it belongs elsewhere. so let us just see if perhaps the simple answer is to create a new zone for such things, and if others agree?

[ZimmerBaby]

Very well written RB!

Cheers.

[Bobo.fr]

. Etc.

I think really the best solution is that a new Berlin Thread or Germany Thread is created such as the Perv Zone or some name the people feel is appropriate. Etc.It's a good idea : for example the subforum "Special thems" in this German forum :

http://www.freiercafe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=71

[Belvaros]

Reingold Speak easy. More of a couples and drinking place than a pick up joint for me. A good vibe and VERY NICE wait staff. Stayed here 2 hours Friday night and returned Saturday before heading to Bellini again where I ran into some of the Wg's I had met at Rivabar. They must think I am following them. Tried haggling at 130 Euros for LT as that was all I had (or so I told them). They all laughed me off. (maybe the union has reported my previous conquest). Anyway a good time was had. There are freebies of all ages with looks from 25/100 to 75/100 on the "wfa" scale. Didn't try as I would rather jack off then listen to some bint all night after I fucked her. So on I pressed.

Rivabar. Round 3. Sat night. Good crowd indoors and out. Hit up several local schwarzer girls and took a pro home for ST for the glorious rate of 1/2 bottle of Weingut Cuvee, a bottle of beer and an ice-cream (yes this lassie likes icecream). Young Alyssa it appears is from Abidjan (Senegal) and was sponsored to get here by a brothel in Hamburg who onsold her services. Very sad tale if true. As she had to do a runner but luckily she met an old (70s) local guy who keeps her fed, clothed and with a roof when she hasn't got one.

If you head to any of the bars she hangs out at Rivabar, Bellini, and sometimes around the SW areas (she is scared of pimps there though) and some other local nightclub spots I will ask her about this week. Appears there are 10 or 20 other girls in the same boat coming over from hamburg soon she says. I recommended she set up an account here and advertise. $20 is a bargain.

Alyssa is 6 feet, very thin (probably 125 lbs at most I mean. THIN) with natural B+ cups, delicious smile and very very dark skin. Sweet disposition and a bit of a look like Brandi. I will catch up with her again Wed and maybe for a few days and will ask about pics. She wants 500 Euros for a week but as I am busy for business I told her I would go 360 for 4 days and feed her etc. Very nice lady. Says she is 28, her English is poor. As is my French. So we kind of mongrel along in bad German and spent all night going at it. Wild child in bed

[Belvaros]

BUGGER me. I am so sick today and my dick and balls are really bad. Bloody agonizing. Any chance an STD symptom would show up in 3-4 days. Off to the doctors office. My hotel offered to get me an in call but I am kind of embarrassed enough as it is. Only time I have felt this terrible was after a session in Budapest which I reported some years ago.

Moral to the story. Don't go DATY on African broads or BBBJ or AO or anything like that. Maybe I will just refrain. This kills my Artemis plans and Jenna. And I was so looking forward to seeing her face (I mean boobs).

"Party LESS Wayne"

[Rocketboy0]

BUGGER me. I am so sick today and my dick and balls are really bad. Bloody agonizing. Any chance an STD symptom would show up in 3-4 days. Off to the doctors office. My hotel offered to get me an in call but I am kind of embarrassed enough as it is. Only time I have felt this terrible was after a session in Budapest which I reported some years ago.

Moral to the story. Don't go DATY on African broads or BBBJ or AO or anything like that. Maybe I will just refrain. This kills my Artemis plans and Jenna. And I was so looking forward to seeing her face (I mean boobs).

"Party LESS Wayne"B-Sent you a PM, for obvious reasons. Looks like the bill has come due. Hope you'll take it seriously and be responsible. Good luck.

[Rocketboy0]

it's a good idea : for example the subforum "special thems" in this german forum :

http://www.freiercafe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=71bobo. good idea so i have set up a new thread at the top of the german list.

now all you s & m lords, slappers, slammers, [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) scoopers, rep002 drinkers, abusers, and pervs of all persuasions etc have a nice, new, safe playground.

[WarmStone25]

1) When you wrote "second floor" do you mean the floor with the board "Text&Form" (If I remember well, depending on US or UK, first floor = ground floor and so second floor = third floor!)

If the meeting took place at the floor above the one with the board "Text&Form", in general, the "madam" didn't appear anymore (unless she was bringing up towels or some other housekeeping jobs)

Ladies with asterik : in general, that means that, in spite of their presence on the schedule, they may be absent; so it' s better to call the house before coming.I walked up the stairs until I saw a door with text and form on it. I thought this was the second floor, but I am not certain now. It was in that apartment that I was shown the line up.

When I went with Penny we went up a level.

I did not get the 45 miutes that I paid for.

[Felix Nordic]

Great Berlin report Wanking! I enjoyed it a lot. I'm off to Berlin on Monday, but have very limited time. I have a so so prearranged date with two girls, bisexual, but I'm not sure anything will turn out. I have another Romanian girl for a possible date, but yet not sure. So I might go to a club, and perhaps Caligula or another option. (see my Caligula report from last year in September). Some street fun is tempting as well. Perhaps just for the fun, even if I won't do anything. However a corner street blow job is actually quite exiting! Have done that in the past and it can be very good, but its a hit and miss.

Cheers and happy hunting!

/Felix.

P. S I also feel the hard core Perv thing should be moved on to another forum. I doubt few guys here can contribute with anything, and I doubt most get disturbed by it. Freedom of speach or not. Its just bad to place it here. And for those who enjoy abusing girls, when the girl obviously suffer - cry, bruises and etc, there is NO sympathy from my side. Even if she agrees on a money deal. She ows money to a pimp or must get drugs, and thats why. Thats force, or at least super bad taste and deeply immoral and wrong. Period.

[Felix Nordic]

i understand that some people are not like what i writing.

i think my report is good and i thank you members who liked it.

offcourse there is different people who like different stuff!

i love really nasty kinky and perverted games, but i pay for it!

i never do anything the girls not want to do, i negotiate before and then we agree, so whats wrong with that?

if the girls are working on the street they will proboblay meet really dangerous and sadistic people, and thats not me!

i like most to be humiliated from these girls, and they get paid for doing that!

also i sometimes love to abuse and slap them hard.

but, offcourse i will not go harder on them, if they ask me to stop!

i am perverted kinky extreme and i fucking love it!

if some people have problems with that, don't read my posts!

i know some people really like this.

davidfrom what i read, you nearly only gotten negative responses! at least in the open. i bet if you got positives they are to ashamed to admit it. who are they if they even do exist? what does that tell? its not the correct forum for your tastes? from a normal human standpoint it also tells that you ought to look into the mirror, and analyse what you do.

i feel a lot of people do have problems with reading your posts. i do, and i won't apologize for that. simple feedback of that? stop posting here and take it to another place! its not we who should avoid reading your posts, its you who should spare us from this misery! you're on another planet, yet you do not realise it! with that said, i usually do not moralize, but i feel in this case it is needed. i have done so in the past about certain mongerers commiting [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) in ukraine, and i will do it again. my comments (i like to think so. because it was not cool anymore) actually shut the mouths of those bragging with [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) girls. i could not have proceeded in another way, because that is human to go against that! that sort of behaviour can never be defended as it is totally wrong! because it destroys the girls, it destroys the fun men can have in the future, and its just overdoing it in a sick way! totally wrong, period, over and out!

i want to make a separation here. if a girl with free will advertise that she wants to get abused, cry, get slapped, tortured, eat shit, then its ok. but hey, are the girls in forced position under certain circumstances free to really make that choice?

what do you think will become of this girl in the future who cried and vomited? do you think she will look back on her experiences and say, hell yes, that was cool? do you? i don't, and i bet many other decent people won't. you are hurting girls and you know it, and yet you do it? i suggest you contact a shrink and try to get help for your problems. you know you are wrong, and you just try to find excuses to make it more acceptable.

/felix

[Rocketboy0]

P. S I also feel the hard core Perv thing should be moved on to another forum.Felix. If you read the forum recently, this is all now old news. There is a new thread "Special Themes" on the Germany site. You all can continue there.

Including any responses back to Felix's strong feelings.

Thanks RB