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01-01-06, 02:00
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Finskij Paren
01-02-06, 07:28
I've always believed that pictures says more than thousand words.

Finskij Paren


Cost of living get's higher. So girls have to ask more. Othervise it will become more profitable to sit in offices, build careers and find young husbands instead of hanging about with clients. And the are still enough people willing to pay.

[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]

Waster99
01-02-06, 11:47
Hello fellow mongers,

Has any of you tried the www.sashenka.ru agency, their prices seems to be a bit on the more expensive side, but check out the VIP-girls, atleast no fake pics and they look really cute, any tip or recommendation on this agency would be highly appr.

Merry Christmas all of you.

CA Traveler
01-02-06, 20:33
waster99... just curious why you keep posting the exact same message? At least change the Merry Christmas to Happy New Year!

Many of the girls on that site are from another website where you will be redirected to. The VIP girls... well there are some serious questions about them as well.

I actually had a friend get caught up with this group a year or so ago and I suggest that any serious monger who may be concerned about "exposure" from several fronts may want to avoid this website totally!

Big Bro AJ
01-03-06, 10:39
Not all, but most of the first timers definitely experience some of it…..

10 Things to do in Moscow...

1-Sight seeing on Arbat
2-Taking pics at Red Sq.
3-Riding on Moscow Metro
4-Searching girls on Internet
5- Trying to find a sauna/banya/massage parlor
6- Going to brothel type strip clubs for a BJ or 1000Ruble private dance
7-Riding with Gypsy taxi drivers to Tochka’s
8-Taking pics of every single beautiful woman (admit it)
9-Networking girls at Karma, Propaganda, Papa Jones, CF, NF, Metalitsa, First, Fabrique
10-Chit chat with Militia (I did it in my first time- I saw an amazing beauty on Arbat, I changed my direction and followed her, than I got lost. There she was, awesome red headed militia; asked her directions but she ignored me::(( )

What about you?

CA Traveler
01-03-06, 12:22
bbaj... one thing that I would change is... 1000 ruble lap dance to 100 ruble lap dance. Personally I wouldn't pay $35+ for three minutes of rubbing by anyone... almost! :)

BUT, I would add...

A day at Izmailovo Park flea market/tourist market...

Attending a performance of the Bolshoi, even if you think "Nutcraker" is a movie about Hillary Clinton...

Going to a disco at midnight with the sky still light and leaving at 0400 with the sun coming up...

Walking in the snow around Patriarshy Pond....

Watching fireworks over Red Square...

Giving some money to a very old babushka begging on a small side street because she is so hobbled that she can't make it to Tverskaya, and seeing the appreciation in her eyes...

Giving a second or third orgasm to a new 18 y.o. tochka girl from Ukraine trying to earn enough to return home for her wedding, and seeing a new appreciation in her eyes that there was more than just screwing if someone was patient enough to take some time to make it happen.



Not all, but most of the first timers definitely experience some of it…..

10 Things to do in Moscow...

1-Sight seeing on Arbat
2-Taking pics at Red Sq.
3-Riding on Moscow Metro
4-Searching girls on Internet
5- Trying to find a sauna/banya/massage parlor
6- Going to brothel type strip clubs for a BJ or 1000Ruble private dance
7-Riding with Gypsy taxi drivers to Tochka’s
8-Taking pics of every single beautiful woman (admit it)
9-Networking girls at Karma, Propaganda, Papa Jones, CF, NF, Metalitsa, First, Fabrique
10-Chit chat with Militia (I did it in my first time- I saw an amazing beauty on Arbat, I changed my direction and followed her, than I got lost. There she was, awesome red headed militia; asked her directions but she ignored me::(( )

What about you?

Ocean Explorer
01-04-06, 17:09
On an earlier trip I stayed at the Sretenskaya at a pretty good rate and I liked it. I think it was on the order of $200. Now their rates seem to have gone up considerably and my hotel limit is $239.

So are there any good options for combination of business (e.g. internet) and mongering in a somewhat lower price range than the Radisson, National, Sheraton etc. And of course its nice to centrally located. I know I'm asking for a lot.

Is there any particularly effective strategy for getting the best rate.

This trip is only 4 days so an apartment is probably not something I want to organize this time.

OE

Ocean Explorer
01-04-06, 17:10
By the way Happy New Year.

Vo Vand
01-04-06, 23:06
Hello everybody,

I live in Moscow and I can give you some advices.

As for me, I prefer mature and older women (to see www.intimcity.ru,
www.ston.ru, www.putana.nu, www.sextalk.ru - there are real reports about girls).

Good luck.

Etaoin2003
01-05-06, 03:10
It seems that having a mobile phone is a prerequisite to locating the apartments. How difficult is it to buy a prepaid SIM chip for a GSM phone in Moscow? What would it cost?

Helena Moscow
01-05-06, 07:13
It seems that having a mobile phone is a prerequisite to locating the apartments. How difficult is it to buy a prepaid SIM chip for a GSM phone in Moscow? What would it cost?It's very easy. For 100-150 rubles. If you become my client I'll give you one as a present :))

Doctor_Skank
01-05-06, 10:44
Its very easy to get a sim card, there are mobile phone shops on nearly every street corner. Some providers require your registration, others dont. I think it also depends on the shop. However zou can always get a sim card without any registration or hassle from some providers, for example Megafon. The bigger shops almost always have at least one dorky looking kid who speaks English.

Its cheap... something like $10 to get the card and then you have to buy the prepaid cards which are usually 100, 300 or 500 rubles. It will make your local calls much much much cheaper. I consider it a must.

Bez Bezarra
01-05-06, 10:50
Not all, but most of the first timers definitely experience some of it…..

Things to do in Moscow...



Did you leave out these highlights? What happened to?

1. Having several bystanders in the underground watch unimpressed
as you get the shit kicked out of you by muggers in the middle of
the afternoon?

2. Getting fleeced for $100 at AK-47 point by the police courtesy
of the mamachka you just paid $200 for simply trying to drive her
tochka girl back to your place?

What newbie should miss these Muscovy delights?

Big Bro AJ
01-05-06, 12:17
Bez,

I just wanna highlight the general ones, but of course there are lots of such hustles and incidents that can only be happened in Moscow.

*In fancy restaurants they have the English menus but almost none of the waitresses speak English.

*You have been coming to Moscow almost very month in last 2 years; but still you wait too long for security check.

*You rented a car with driver to take you to 40 min drive from Moscow; after 6 hours long meeting you found the driver drunk and felt a sleep at your car. You called the dispatcher (suppose to understand English) to send you a new car; she insisted on talking with the drunk driver who was sleeping at that moment.

*You ordered Bacardi lime in a popular bar but they don’t have ice. But at the same time they prepared frozen margarita.


and so on...

Stravinsky
01-05-06, 17:09
etaoin2003,

BTW - Don't forget to make sure that your GSM phone is unlocked! Also, that it will operate in the correct frequency.

SexyMiky
01-06-06, 20:17
Hi

I just got back from Moscow, i stayed at the Katerina Hotel near the Swiss Bussiness Center.

The address is Hotel Katerina-Сity
Address: Building 1, 6 Shluzovaya embankment, Moscow, 113114, Russia
Tel: +7 495 795-2444
Fax: +7 495 795-2443

4000 rubls a night, excellent Hotel that i do recomend to anybody that is looking for a clean hotel near the center.

It was worth the money for me everybody in the hotel speaks Inglish , if your are travelling from anywheir in the world just call them or send them a Fax they are promt they dont ask for credit card to make a reservation, for Visa to Russia contuct Go To Russia in Atlanta and for a Nice hotel call the Katerina, you can bring in woman to your room no Questions asked.

They also do your registration on the spot.

Stravinsky
01-08-06, 17:44
SexyM

Interesting... another hotel recommendation near Paveletskaya. Do you have to book the room for 2 people if you want your GF to stay the night?

Big Bro AJ
01-10-06, 10:37
Currently I am in Moscow. I will be here till Saturday night (14/1). Last Saturday night (7/1) and Monday night were awesome at CF.

Saturday night; I made 30.000Rubles at CF and spent all of it at Mister XXX.

I met 2 Internet girls. Not that great. I will see another one tonight (34 years old Uzbek http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=17491)

Il Patio at Atrium opposite of CF at Kurskaya has best thin and crispy pizzas.

Sun Light at Nowy Arbat(New Arbat) is a quality joint; we smoked kalyan/hokka (red wine with apple flavored 1600Rb; cognac with apple flavored 1800Rb) Lots of babes stopped by for a coffee or to smoke kalyan.

Café House at Tverskaya next to NF is one of the must see place around midnight. Lots of NF girls stopped by before or after their shifts…

I will write detailed reports in couples of days. I also found some great restaurants and places.

Ocean Explorer
01-10-06, 16:33
Katerina looks nice on the web but 4000 rub? Must have been low, low season.

I just called Katerina for Jan 15 -19 and they quoted me 11,000 as their best rate.

Maybe they were full and that we a suite, and all that was left.

Looking forward to the trip, nevertheless.

OE

Doctor_Skank
01-11-06, 21:43
That is low season, during the Russian holidays between New Year and Russian Christmas on Jan 7. The prices are at their lowest during this time because there are virtually no business travelers and the hotels are fairly empty.

Ocean Explorer
01-12-06, 01:56
If I may, one questions about saunas (Banyas).

Last time I was in Moscow I searched one out. Unfortunarely I didn't write down the name but it was about two Metro stops out past Hotel Sretenskaya.
It actually took me two trips to find it using some directions from the web. It was in an apartment building, at the back and in the basement. I don't know what I was expecting but there was no neon sign saying "Banya - Girls". So it took some work.

This particular one had no group of girls waiting for me to select from. But somehow I communicaterd my angst and the management put me on the phone with some guy who spoke English and was willing to have one sent over for $200.

At that point I decided that if I was to pay that amount I would rather make my own choice so I exited and went to NF where I had made a good choice for that amount the night before.

From some recent communications it sounds like there may be saunas and there are saunas.

Are there some saunas where you can choose from a selection of girls already there or is the approach to arrange a girl from the internet or at CF, PJ, NF etc and meet her there or take her there?

Erotic-massage.ru was described as a salon, which sounds to be different from a sauna with girls ready to meet you!

I may try to search this one out this trip with the directions given by others.

The best way would be to ask a russian colleague for help but I'm not that willing yet to be that open with this group. So...

Maybe I'll make a friend on the airplane.

OE

CA Traveler
01-12-06, 07:05
Beg to differ... With the Rossiya closed, I doubt you will find a "low" season in Moscow for the next few years. I know I tried to get a deal on an apartment for the NYE weekend and my old place was totally booked and he laughed at me when I wanted a place someplace else. In fact, I imagine that you will soon see another round of price increases.

Even Sveta is now renting her own set of apartments, which I am very pleased about.

Stravinsky
01-12-06, 21:05
CAT,
Do you think the Rossiya was a real alternative for western tourists and businesspeople? Particularly in the last 4 or 5 years?

Good for Sveta! Is she advertising to the public, or just working off of her list of private clients?

CA Traveler
01-12-06, 21:32
strav... good question, but I don't think it matters. If the demand is there, those people will have to stay someplace, be it a hotel or an apartment. Every time an available room is filled there is less supply for others. Naturally, once the hotels and apartment people figure out that they can add X% to the price and they stay full, the price will keep creaping up...

You only have to look at the price of my old places to see that the prices have gone up about 40 or 50% since last March when I turned it over. Plus, I hear that they are fully booked much of the time, I suspect that the prices will increase another 20-30% in the next six months. I may be wrong, but I don't think so.

Don't really know much about Sveta's operation. I only found out about it when I wrote her asking her to move to Odessa to run one of my new operations here. That is when she told me she had the flats and didn't even give me her website name. Another friend passed that on to me. In any case, I wish her the best and I know that she will do very well!

Scatlover
01-13-06, 00:02
Hi,

My mongering friends from Moscow!

I "have" to spend a week in March, in Moscow and will stay at the Hotel Baltschug.
Do you know about problems, if you want to bring a girl, especially a freebie?

Or is it like the EE Radisson SAS Hotels, where the security guy only wants his peace of the cake?

Thank you!

Banana Finger
01-15-06, 10:34
I am in town next week and the forecast says -30 ! Jesus guys, thats cold, but will there be any tochkas operating in these conditions? Does anyone know which ones will be open and if not what happens to the girls - do they relocate indoors?

CrystalCowboy
01-16-06, 08:54
Hello Boys!

I am leaving to Moscow tomorrow, 17th of janaury for two weeks. I am going to work there bit definitly I am also going to spoil myself we a few hot russian ladys! Would be nice to have "partners-in-crime". Maybe organise some orgies and have five boys fucking ten girls? Who wants to join? PM me, I am looking forward. Attached a picture of a nice moment.

Cheers!

CrystalCowboy

Big Bro AJ
01-16-06, 17:08
Spent most of the night at CF…Play roulette and saw several internet girls at day time….Only Alexandiria worth to see again…

I met Alexandiria and her friends at her apartment at Novoslobodskaya. I even surprised how I found this place. She did not speak English, I called her and she gave the directions to the driver. She welcomed me and offered tea. It was a four room apartment, 5 girls were sitting at the kitchen smoking and chatting. Got flippers and drank tea(as usual), took shower and moved one of the rooms. Old furnishers with sofa/bed. She looks better than her pics. Smooth boobs to die for. No Greek, LFK, no CIM, Cno CIF, covered BJ, cowgirl and doggy. Two rounds for $100. Not too corporative but friendly, not GFE nor business like.

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=24379

The most memorable moments were brunch at Vienna café, lunches at Il Patio at Atrium...

If you take the irregular taxis, try to ignore road fleas jıgulis. Most of the jıguli drivers are crazy. Drive like madman.

Once I wrote about how risky to go to incalls. I always worried inside. I pushed my luck.

Malls and cafes are good locations to meet girls…

Long of short, Black Eyed Peas last song composed for Moscow girls…SHE MAKE YOU SPENDİNG…SHE MAKE YOU WORK…SHE MAKE YOU CRAZY….

Explorer8939
01-16-06, 22:23
I had a rough day, and needed a massage, so I looked up a nearby lady on the Internet, and walked through the ice and snow over to house. Here is her web site, I recommend you take a look before reading any more:

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=17909

Now, she has no english ability, and my Russian sucks, but I guess its good enough to get her address and directions over the phone. After a 10 minute walk though - 20 degrees I was at her door, and she let me in, wearing a negligee. After some niceties, we got down to business, and she gave me a pro massage - I opted for the 2 hour special, since I really needed a massage. BTW, she provided a lot of niceties, such as the towel she gave me for the shower was heated.

When the massage ended, she got down to business, and provided the standard "no sex" Russian happy ending, very sexy, she used her hair between my legs, lots of light touching, and finally the inevitable HJ. I tried to hold out, but her ass was so tight, there was no way.

As I went out the door, she told me "please come back", in Russian, of course.

Stravinsky
01-17-06, 01:07
Explorer,
Next time you're looking for massage, you might try erotic-massage.ru. They are a fairly professional organization, by Russian standards. The "polni progromm", massage and full service sex is 2000r for an hour.

Stravinsky
01-17-06, 01:11
BBAJ,
молодец!
Congrats on your apt. visit. Sounds like it was worthwhile.

Big Bro AJ
01-18-06, 15:31
I forgot to mention Katya

Last Sunday I went to her place at Prospekt Mira. Well, as usual the girl on the phone and Katya were not the same. Katya did not speak a word; luckily we understood each other.

When we enter her two room apartment, someone already banging her flatmate. She was a screamer. We headed to her room, my deal was $50 for two hours (actually two rounds). We started with DFK, I could taste the vodka in her breath; any way someone made a great job with comp. She definitely gained weight(not chubby but there are some extras on her belly and ass). Uncovered BBJ, cowgirl, doggy, anal sex and ended with CIF. After the first round, we drank vodka and tried to chat a little, took shower (thank god there was hot water, she gave me a hand towel to dry myself) Second round was better than the first one. Overall, I don’t recommend her. By the way she was not 19. Same girl on the web page but older. http://www.zna.nu/vg.php?id=1135870146&pic=11


And stay away from her girl friend Olya http://www.zna.nu/1137144836

It Travel
01-19-06, 11:11
Somebody is in Moscow in between Monday Jan 30th and Friday February 3rd?

Just for some beers (seeking girls) at some bars/clubs…

PM me if you like.

IT

Camieleke
01-19-06, 23:06
Hi everybody,

I hope somebody can help me!

I will be in Moskow for some days in february. Can somebody answer me
3 questions please:

- Is the kempinsky girlfriendly or can I find girls in the bar there?
- Do somebody can give me some internet addresses where to find escortgrils in Moskow? Please in english because most of them are in russian!
- maybe some other tips where to find girls?

Thanks a lot,

C.

One O Nine
01-20-06, 04:00
For a few months I've been completely swarmed with work back home, but now I'm finally going back to Mother Russia. I haven't yet checked the forums for any recent developments, so my question is, how are things with accomodations? I've always used moscow-star up until my last visit, but throughout the summer the quality had been deteriorating. I haven't been to Moscow since, I think, August, so maybe they've gotten better, I don't know.

In any case, a quick forum search didn't bring up anything relevant, but maybe someone can share something on this? I'm definitely not interested in hotels, I want an apartment, central location, and the more luxurious the better.

CA Traveler
01-20-06, 08:07
109... just a quick comment. With the Rossiya closing even the trash spots are raising their rates and will be full all of the time which means less need for customer service.

My old assistant, Sveta, has apparently started a new apartment rental place and one of my old clients is here now and tells me that her operation is similar in all aspects to my old operation before I sold it. Her website is www.moscow-comfort.com

I think she only has a handful of places so she may be full as well.

You could also try one of the RE companies, Blackwood, Beatrix, to name a couple.

If you write Sveta, you shoud not mention ISG because I don't think she knows anything about it.


For a few months I've been completely swarmed with work back home, but now I'm finally going back to Mother Russia. I haven't yet checked the forums for any recent developments, so my question is, how are things with accomodations? I've always used moscow-star up until my last visit, but throughout the summer the quality had been deteriorating. I haven't been to Moscow since, I think, August, so maybe they've gotten better, I don't know.

In any case, a quick forum search didn't bring up anything relevant, but maybe someone can share something on this? I'm definitely not interested in hotels, I want an apartment, central location, and the more luxurious the better.

One O Nine
01-20-06, 14:04
Thanks CaT, I'll give those a try. Damn it, how come things are so bad in Moscow with accomodations? We should have started a donation drive at ISG to bribe you into never leaving moscow-star.

Doctor_Skank
01-20-06, 15:12
109:

Things are bad as Ca_T has lamented.... I just got a quote of $500 on a single room from the Sheraton... :(

But booked a $145 studio from Sveta instead. Technically speaking, $145 is too much for the small studio I am getting, but that is current market price.

Basically there is a horrific undercapacity on rooms in Moscow and relief is at least 2 years away...

Ocean Explorer
01-20-06, 19:10
I have greatly enjoyed reading the steady banter on the Moscow ISG site.
This is my chance to contribute a little back. Unfortunately, not as much as I had hoped. I don’t get to Moscow often. The first time was a year ago September when I was there for about three days without obligations and had two enjoyable trips to Night Flight and one to Oh La La. I reported on those in 2004. This time my hosts had me tightly scheduled and I was amazingly cold so I did not have the flexibility to do as much mongering as I desired. So I’ll report on a broader range of topics than sex.

Arrival: I had a late arrival Sunday night at Sheremetevo-2. We unloaded about 530PM and did not clear immigration until 800PM. Important to always keep this long wait in mind when making pick up arrangements. Fortunately my friend was aware of this.

Hotel: My host had arranged for me to stay at the Hotel Academicheskaya which is near Leninskii Prospect near Oktyabrskaya Metro (both brown and yellow). Many of you guys travel in different circles when it comes to hotels. On this trip I didn’t have much flexibility. There are pros and cons with this place. The biggest pro is the price. A single is 4600 rub (~$120)(including the 18% tax) and that is hard to find in Moscow. The rooms were recently remodeled and basically nice but small. The location is actually quite convenient for Metro and gypsy taxi. But there are serious looking security guys on the 1st floor so I knew right away that arranging internet girls to visit me there or bringing girls home was probably out of the question. Also there is no internet in the rooms and only one computer in a room near the desk that was not operational for the first day I was there. Luckily I had brought a ream of printouts from ISG.

Cash: I had no luck using either my debit or credit cards at some cash machines, especially those located on their own like in the hotel lobby or in a Kofe house. I kept getting messages saying “your bank refuses”. I know these cards work overseas because I use them in Paris all the time. Eventually I was able to draw cash on my Visa using cash machines attached to a bank. Anyone else had this problem? Luckily I had brought a bunch of money that I changed on the street.

Transportation: The Metro is definitely very good and you can shoot quickly all over Moscow. The 10 ride ticket is convenient. The trains come about every 2 minutes. Most are deeply buried as they were also bomb shelters during the cold war. Also each station has its own unique design. But often the Metro will usually deposit you within a good walk of your destination. Normally not bad but with T = -28C it was just too cold for walking and I couldn’t do much of that. So I tried the gypsy cab approach described on these pages and can testify that that works great. I would just stand on the closest busy street facing the direction I wanted to go, hold out my hand and a car would stop usually within 1 min. I would tell the guy where to go and had it written down as a back up. In some cases I knew the directions better that the driver and would give them directions with naleva (left), naprava (right) and pryama (straight). (I use that same approach in Istanbul where I lived for 6 months and also know my way around very well). I had usually studied a map so I knew exactly where to go. I also found that many of these guys could not look at my map when I tried to show them but asked for the Metro stop instead. I concluded that many of them probably have not had much experience looking at maps and don’t know how to deal with that. One guy bringing me home from Oh La La got lost twice and stopped by police twice. The police stop people right and left at all time of the day seemingly as a strategy for checking registrations and for drinking. I felt bad for him so gave him more. In all other cases I just gave the driver 200 rub and asked if that was OK, and it always was.

Culture: My host got tickets for the Bolshoi Monday night and we saw Giselle. I saw that in Seattle in the 1970s when the Bolshoi was touring the US. The main Bolshoi stage is being renovated so we were in the “New Stage”. Smaller but still very nice. When I was younger I did not think ballet was my thing but this was just amazing and now I’m a convert. I can’t believe how long they stand on their toes. Their body control is just amazing. It wasn’t sold out so take it in if you can.

My host took me south of town to Kolomenskoe. This is a large park setting on the Moscow River that was the site of a magnificent wooded palace build for Czar Alexey (17th century). Unfortunately this was one of those very cold days so walking around was painful. This place should be really nice to explore under just about any other weather.

Food: Using the eXile Restaurant list as a guide we went to Ketama one night. This place is Middle Eastern (lamb, couscous, octopus salad, baklava) and I rank it right up there with Night Flight was a great meal in Moscow. Its on Bolshaya Dmitrovka 5 / 6 and upstairs. Lots of cushions for sitting. It is expensive. I like the ethnic type places so Tiflis (Georgian) and Old Havana (Cuban) were on my list but will have to be for next time. Went to Real McCoy for dinner after the Bolshoi as well. That was just when the cold snap began and it was basically empty, but we were on the early side (~10PM) of a Monday night.

But suddenly it was Tuesday, time was flying by with no action – so based on my previous experience and Banana Finger’s great descriptive account I went straight to Oh La La at 1100. I was horny. This was a -25C night. What a stroke to your manhood and ego this place is! There were probably 30 girls and maybe 3 other guys. BF had indicated that he would be in town but most of the guys there that night were Russian. Everyone was crowded into the front room because the bar as the back room was decidedly colder. And if you are walking around half naked that is a big factor. I was just mauled by hard bodied, good looking women. I felt like fresh meet with dollars to spend. One girl after the other would take their turn, stroking my chest then my legs. Taking my hand to explore all parts of their bodies. Simulating sex (I was sitting on a stool at the bar). Hands in my zipper making be so very hard, and laughing about it. I probably enjoyed about 10 of these. I was intent to not be in a hurry but the second dance by Deana from Uzbekistan just had me so turned on I just had to go to the room ($150). There we undreased and I was confronted by a virtual wild woman. This had to have been the wildest sex that I have ever experienced. She fucked herself on my tongue for what seemed like eternity. Then wild fucking in several positions up, down and sideways. I was just wasted after than.

I really wanted to try the salon (erotic-massage.ru) near Patriarshy prudy but couldn’t connect. I did a reconnaissance on Monday when I had an hour or so of free time. I found the street, building, arch and courtyard where it is located. But I ran out of time. I returned the next day with more time and a copy of the web page. I asked some guys coming out of one of the buildings and they said that the place I thought I had the phone for was actually out by Filyovsky Park Metro (way to the east). It was so cold that I couldn’t do any more of that kind of research. So I realized that I was stuck. I didn’t have the apt number or correct phone number. I did a PM to someone who knew and got the entry and apt (but didn’t think to ask for the phone). On Wednesday my hosts kept me busy most of the afternoon. I kept trying to say that I had to leave but by the time did, took a Metro and had dropped my stuff at the hotel and took a cab up to the Pond it was 530PM. I found the apartment and rang but they said no. [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). I don’t think anyone has really said but I have the impression that these salons are afternoon kinds of places. 5:30 is probably too late. Or probably they just didn’t like that I hadn’t called first. But I didn’t have the number. So I apologize for my bad manners in this case.

I was trying to do all this without a cell phone. I really don’t need one for any other reason – at least for these occasional 3-4 day visits. So it seems like a waste to get one just to go to a salon. But if I was going to stay longer or more frequently and also be in the position where I could call internet girls, I would probably do so.

With each visit I pick up a few more words of Russian but I spend so much time in France these days that learning French is consuming my language energy. My small goal this time was to get better at reading crylic – and I did that.

So sorry for this long winded account (mostly about tourism) but I do look forward to another trip to Moscow and I hope it is not for another 1-2 years. CaT described Moscow as a smorgasbord of sexual options. Next time I’ll see if I can figure out salons and saunas.

OE

One Wing Low
01-21-06, 09:35
Similar to Thailand and FKK tours in Germany? Any available?

Would be nice not having to worry about planning for lodging,transportation and booking the girls.

Any sexentrepreneur in Russia?

CA Traveler
01-22-06, 10:10
109... Thanks for the kind words!

HOWEVER... stand by for a new announcement in the next month or so about a "new" opportunity for you! And, it won't even require passing the hat!

Besides... the ABSOLUTE best thing that ever happened to me is leaving Moscow and moving to Odessa!

Stravinsky
01-22-06, 17:14
Ocean Explorer,

Thanks for the report. Too bad you didn't have more free time in Moscow.

Internet access shouldn't be a problem. If it's not available in your hotel, there are lots of internet cafes around the city, particularly in the center of town.

The salons do tend to be afternoon/early evening kinds of places. If you call in advance and let them know you're coming, they might hold a spot for you, but if they suddenly get slammed, they can also tell you to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off, after all, they've only got so many rooms in those small apartments. Best time is around 13:00 to 15:00. By that time, all the girls are ready for work, and the commuter rush still hasn't started.

Phone numbers are on the website. I believe Patriarshi Prudi is now on an alternate site, pussycats.ru. A cell phone is really a must if you want to connect with internet girls and salons. Any unlocked GSM phone should work. You can buy a prepaid card on the street to use while you are in town. Make sure your phone works with the correct frequency, I think it's 900.

Your knowledge of French will actually help you with your Russian vocabulary. The Russian aristocracy never spoke Russian (although they could), they considered it beneath them, so they spoke French much of the time. Once you can read and pronounce the Cyrillic alphabet, you'll be surprised at how many familiar words you will encounter.

BTW - it's a lot warmer in summer ;)

Helena Moscow
01-22-06, 23:56
Similar to Thailand and FKK tours in Germany? Any available?

Would be nice not having to worry about planning for lodging,transportation and booking the girls.

Any sexentrepreneur in Russia?What exactly you would like to get? Write to me and all can be arranged. To tell you the truth I've not the idea what they offer in FKK or Thailand, but about Moscow I know all, as I was born here ;)

Helena Moscow
01-22-06, 23:59
At Hotel old and ugly girls sit.In Hotel Baltshug it is not necessary to pay for pass of the girl.Only necessary to see off back from Hotel.Can also add that the grandmothers in Baltchug are not just ugly, but also expensive :))

Helena Moscow
01-23-06, 00:02
Girls speaking English www.sweet-dreams.ru or www.yourfantasy.ru

I hope somebody can help me!

I will be in Moskow for some days in february. Can somebody answer me
3 questions please:

- Is the kempinsky girlfriendly or can I find girls in the bar there?
- Do somebody can give me some internet addresses where to find escortgrils in Moskow? Please in english because most of them are in russian!
- maybe some other tips where to find girls?

Thanks a lot,

C.[/QUOTE]www.callhelena.narod.ru

English speaking perfect lady :)))

Helena Moscow
01-23-06, 00:10
Somebody is in Moscow in between Monday Jan 30th and Friday February 3rd?

Just for some beers (seeking girls) at some bars/clubs…

PM me if you like.

ITI'm here :)))

Helena Moscow
01-23-06, 00:22
hi,

my mongering friends from moscow!

i "have" to spend a week in march, in moscow and will stay at the hotel baltschug.
do you know about problems, if you want to bring a girl, especially a freebie?

or is it like the ee radisson sas hotels, where the security guy only wants his peace of the cake?

thank you!both in kempinsky and radisson you must meet the girl dounstairs and take her out. then you don't have to pay security.

Helena Moscow
01-23-06, 00:27
Hello everybody,

I live in Moscow and I can give you some advices.

As for me, I prefer mature and older women (to see www.intimcity.ru,
www.ston.ru, www.putana.nu, www.sextalk.ru - there are real reports about girls).

Good luck.You living here? How it could happen that we never met? Or have we? :)

Eastwood777
01-23-06, 13:18
Does anyone know what places are good for picking up girls in Moscow? Is Boar House still popular? I would like to avoid tourist spots if possible.

One O Nine
01-23-06, 17:00
CaT: Ooh, that's very good to hear. I'm getting all tingly inside. Starting this year I will be switching away from Moscow though and spending more time in the Ukraine. After checking out your and Doc's little private party in the Odessa forum it I really want to start my own Odessa file. Maybe I can catch at least one EU town before it's all been spoiled.

Explorer8939
01-23-06, 20:08
First off, at the moment, there are lots of empty hotel rooms in Moscow due to the extreme cold, although it is true that there will be a deficit when things warm up.

Secondly, most VISA cards do get blocked for use in Russia, this is virtually automatic now. You need to call your credit card/debit card company, using the telephone number on the back, and ask for the "fraud prevention" department, to which you will be transferred (you should do this before leaving the USA obviosuly). Tell them the dates you will be in Russia, and to unblock your card.

Since they may re-block it at any time, carry multiple cards to avoid embarassment.

One O Nine
01-24-06, 06:24
Yes! That's not just with Visa either. I had pretty much everything blocked on me. While fleetingly annoying, it's really very comforting.

However, I wouldn't recommend bringing extra cards "just in case". On the contrary, after a series of blocks I stopped bringing any cards to Russia except my ATM card. I fill all the remaining slots in my wallet with expired Gold and Platinum cards so it doesn't look silly when I open it in front of a dyev. I never felt particularly comfortable using credit cards in Russia anyway, after I had a bunch of unauthorized charges put on my cards after a visit to St Petersburg in 2003.

Big Bro AJ
01-24-06, 08:17
Two weeks ago, before the extreme cold weather, I also tried to use visa credit card and Mastercard card to withdraw Rubles and Dollars. But both cards had to be blocked.

When I talked with my bank, they said that lately there had been too many ATM frauds happened in Moscow. Therefore to protect the customers, international banks and card services blocked most of the cards when they were used in ATM'S in Moscow.

They also suspected that bank employees were part of it. Not only I was warned about the ATM, they also warned for "double post machines". Some customer's credit cards had been doubled in fancy resturants.

"CASH IS KING"....QUATED IN NF

It Travel
01-24-06, 08:32
I had similar problems too in 2002, now I solved them using a Master Card (I have a five digit PIN) only in some ATMs.

The ones from Seberbank Rossii (wrong spelling I know...) and from the ATM which is in the Delta lounge of Izmailovo Hotel...

I never use the shop or metro ATMs, where it's easy to put recording systems and cameras for taking the PIN.

Other ATMs not to be used are the ones at the arrival at SVO 2 terminal. I have seen guys trying to look at you when composing the PIN (!) and then surely taking in some way an alectronic copy of your CC, or direcly from your wallet!.

By the way I never use a CC in a bar, shop or restaurant (Elisevsky or Gastronom n° 1 as you like to call it excluded).

If you need cash bring it from home, or get in a bank (a reliable one) with CC, Passport, visa and registration, and preferably another ID (some asked me for two) ad get your RUR. It will cost you 3-4 %, but it's totally safe.

IT

It Travel
01-24-06, 08:44
By the way nobody is in Moscow next week?

And somebody has infos on these girls I've contacted....

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=613288
An 18 teen offering afternoon services... for long period and monthly fee (good english) even weekly fees...

And:
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=612293

Diana interpreter-mistress (!) interested in weekly services but already 34 y.o.

And last two teens... one 23 and one 22
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=613409
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=603320

I would be very interested specially if some body can PM me the last two telephones, they leave out only ICQ.

IT

Big Bro AJ
01-24-06, 08:46
In previous visits, I had no problems in cash withdraw from Finansbank and Citibank.

I prefer to use Bank ATM's for several reasons as IT mentioned.

Once I had late lunch at Hard Rock Cafe in Arbat. I asked check and gave my credit card. They brought someone else platinum express card with my credit card. I was stupidly honest, that's why I called the shift manager and gave him the card.

Since than I only use cash.

Rain At Beach
01-24-06, 17:17
And:
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=612293

Diana interpreter-mistress (!) interested in weekly services but already 34 y.o.

ITI'm also interested in the services of this woman and would appreciate any feedback on how it worked for you.

Shostakovich
01-24-06, 19:25
Hi,

from my expierence I never had any problem to get cash in Russia with VISA card. I use german one supplied by LUFTHANSA or the one supplied by my bank. I dont know if the mentioned problem only for in America issued cards appears. Since Russian authorithies still in big love with with american basics.

ATM's I use are only from Western Bank's like Citibank or USB

I use the CC also to pay in restaurant but only in places I know since Years.

Knocking on wood in the past 10 Years no problems...

Cheers

Shos

Doctor_Skank
01-24-06, 19:48
Shos:

Actually I was thinking the same thing... I have a gold visa from a Euro bank and also have never had problems... neither at ATMs, restaurants or shops... (hear me knocking loudly on wood)...

BTW: nice to hear from you! I am in "your apartment" and enjoying the Moscow winter weather... Moscow in winter rules! Very special atmosphere...
give me a call or PM, would be great to launch another Russian front offensive!

Shostakovich
01-24-06, 19:56
Hi Doc,

real pitty that you have to stay there without wingman....

Anyhow if you feel lonly I stored a present box with 4 bottles wodka on the rooftop from the sleeping room cabinet... :-)

Russian winter is IMHO the best season to visit Moscow...Hope this maniacs left some snow in the city because usally the use thousand's of trucks to carry this lovely powder out of the town...

Tuesday we got, o.k. forget about PJ...PZ is on tonight..

Cheers

Shos

Helena Moscow
01-24-06, 23:55
Hi Doc,

real pitty that you have to stay there without wingman....

Anyhow if you feel lonly I stored a present box with 4 bottles wodka on the rooftop from the sleeping room cabinet... :-)

Russian winter is IMHO the best season to visit Moscow...Hope this maniacs left some snow in the city because usally the use thousand's of trucks to carry this lovely powder out of the town...

Tuesday we got, o.k. forget about PJ...PZ is on tonight..

Cheers

Shos"Russian winter is IMHO the best season to visit Moscow..." - Don't forget to bring your downcoat, a couple of sweaters and shoes with fur inside to enjoy the weather :)))))

Helena Moscow
01-25-06, 00:06
Does anyone know what places are good for picking up girls in Moscow? Is Boar House still popular? I would like to avoid tourist spots if possible.Boar House is the second tourist spot in Moscow after Night Flight =))) Girls are almost everywhere. Some you can find in News Pub and Jet-Set.

Helena Moscow
01-25-06, 00:11
Hi everybody,

I hope somebody can help me!

I will be in Moskow for some days in february. Can somebody answer me
3 questions please:

- Is the kempinsky girlfriendly or can I find girls in the bar there?
- Do somebody can give me some internet addresses where to find escortgrils in Moskow? Please in english because most of them are in russian!
- maybe some other tips where to find girls?

Thanks a lot,

C.In Kempinsky girls are ugly and expensive. Call me I speak fluent English and help you in everything.

Ocean Explorer
01-25-06, 16:49
I have usually had no problem getting cash from machines associated at or inside a real bank. The ones I could not access were isolated on the street or in a cafe. There must be some difference between them.
-----
I complained about the cold but when properly dressed it was a real blast to be crunching around in the cold. But when out for extended periods the small openings of facial skin started to freeze. Also the cold made my eyes run then the fluid would freeze on my cheeks. I would duck inside some place when I needed to to warm up.

OE

It Travel
01-25-06, 21:11
Sorry fot the comment, but perhaps going only to Moscow and SPB you perhaps do not know that ATM's in Russia run on two different systems.

National
International (sometimes operating only National)

In Moscow and in SPB lots are International so people think it's just a malfuncion... It is not. It is a National one...

International are clearly signed and outside Moscow and SPB are only in major banks not even all... some are in Hotels, but very few outside Moscow. Still today in own like Kazan (1.5 millions) you will find not more than 10 always working.

In some shops ATM are intended for Russians so they are not international even in they show some kind of familiar sign...

As other ISG users said use ATM only in well known banks and hotels.

IT

Doctor_Skank
01-25-06, 21:15
Shos:

I added a half bottle of whiskey to your private stash of liquor booty... :)

Its not cold in Moscow right now, only about -15... and the girls are hot enough to melt the snow, so dont hesitate to pay a visit!

Last night I had a girl I met at work who was so sexually charged that she must have come 15 times... she was literally having a difficult time walking afterwards and was shaking crazily... even when she was sucking me off she herself was getting off... one of the weirdest things I have yet experienced... she even wanted me to bite her clit!

I agree with you, Moscow is great in winter... too bad I am alone, I really miss my tusovka!

One O Nine
01-25-06, 21:50
Damn it Doc, I spent six months without even thinking of Moscow, and now you're making it impossible to wait a week. Ooh, Moscow, brace yourself, here I come!

-15 though. Ouch. I need to go buy some new clothes.

Big Bro AJ
01-26-06, 09:21
Pros always control themselves or liable to fake orgasms. On the contrary, you (I) may find pros that are surprisingly onto sex and enjoy the moment.

Two weeks ago, I met Viki in her incall. http://zna.nu/vg.php?id=1136388326&pic=4 At first, had some difficulties to com***icate but easly found the apartment. She gave the directions to the driver, and met her in front of the apartment complex.

I know she looks handful, but damn I don’t like thin girls. I want some meat on the bones. I have to admit, she had some extras on her belly and birth marks.

She was a screamer. I have never seen a woman screams and cries like that before. I didn’t remember how many times she came and her body kept shaking like electrified. In a moment she had a too powerful orgasm, I thought she had a heart attack.

Her incall location was in quite good condition and seemed like that it was used by couple of girls.

Doctor_Skank
01-26-06, 09:42
Big Bro:

You wrote:

"I have never seen a woman screams and cries like that before. I didn’t remember how many times she came and her body kept shaking like electrified. In a moment she had a too powerful orgasm, I thought she had a heart attack. "

Isnt that the greatest feeling when you send a girl into this lustful orgasmic world? I love the way most Russian girls are so uninhibited about letting themselves go, the bed headboard banging against the wall, mattress springs creaking and she moaning and screaming in some sort of sex-induced trance... not only freebies, but I have also met many pros who really enjoyed the sex... and even a few that "demanded" that I perform another round!

And I love when they start babbling incomprehensible phrases in Russian... wish I understood what they are saying... :)

I used to worry about what the neighbors might think, but my ex-gf used to tell me she loved it when the neighbors knew she was getting thoroughly rodded and thrown around the room or splayed up against the wall. She said any neighbors that might complain were just jealous...

BTW: although I usually like skinny girls best, its great to sometimes get one that jiggles in all the right places... your picture of Vika does inspire me to go on the prowl for a soft and warm and sensual girl like that... :)

109:
Its only -9 today... regrettably I have to leave... feels like the wrong time to leave, there is a lot of energy in the city as it thaws out and last night was a great night to be out... a lot of girls passed their last exams from various institutes and were out to celebrate.

Big Bro AJ
01-26-06, 10:39
Doc,

I had similar powerful orgasmic sex with several girls in Istanbul, but never like this before.

As always you are right, Russian girls are freely expressed their sexual desires and if you find the right spots, they become very lusty. Slavic women are the best sex partners; innocent looking girls turn into wildcats.

Luckily, Viki was one of them. She said that she was on vacation and returned a day before. I was her first customer since than.(really did not care whether it was true or not) She screamed and cried out loudly in Russian. Even if she was faking, than oscar goes to Viki for best performance.

My close friend (closer than a brother) once a while had similar problems with neighbors. At daytime his neighbors were also very active. The walls were thin and no sound proof insulation. He also showed me how his girl friend made a hole at wall during the sex. They are crazy.

Shostakovich
01-28-06, 10:38
Boar House is the second tourist spot in Moscow after Night Flight =))) Girls are almost everywhere. Some you can find in News Pub and Jet-Set.

Helena, if you mean the News Pub on Petrovka ul. its closed for almost 6 Month...

Helena Moscow
01-29-06, 06:08
Helena, if you mean the News Pub on Petrovka ul. its closed for almost 6 Month...Yes, I meant that one. You know Moscow better than Moscovites =)). I had no idea that it's closed. Last was there in June. So, apologising for wrong advise :)

Hedonist
01-30-06, 09:18
Guys,

I plan a trip to Moscow in April and had a couple quick questions. I hope one tof the Moscow experts can enlighten me...

- Does the miniskirt season start as early as mid April in Moscow?
- I have been hearing that prices went up a lot in Moscow. Could somebody let me know the current tochka and salon prices?
- Is Kirnat still OK?

Spasibo Bolshoe!

Doctor_Skank
01-30-06, 09:56
Hedonist:

Miniskirts: Hate to disappoint, but from what I have been able to observe Moscow girls switched to jeans 2-3 years ago... miniskirts are regrettably not as common as they once were. Mid-April is about start of the official season though, you are right. Here's to hoping that miniskirts make a comeback....

Tochka and salon: Prices did go up, especially for tochka. Good quality at tochka can be had between $150-200. Not much worth looking at below $150. Salons take a look at the common websites like www.zna.nu.

Kirnat: Havent used Kirnat in a couple years. I've been happy with Moscow Rick, although he is pricey.

www.enjoymoscow.com
www.moscow-star.com (ex-Ca_T joint)

If you are purely on a mongering trip, you might want to contact Ca_T in Odessa... Odessan girls WILL be wearing miniskirts by mid-April and prices are definitely cheaper there....

...dont misunderstand my loyalties... for my money Moscow is still the best freebie market in the world and my favorite city worldwide, but it can be expensive as hell.

Big Bro AJ
01-30-06, 10:36
Salons take a look at the common websites like www.zna.nu.



Hedonist,

If you are gone meet with the Internet girls, than www.intimcity.ru is the most reliable one. Instead of all night; I recommend to meet two hours or less in the afternoons. Therefore, you won’t stick with one girl, and will do what ever you want in rest of the night. Also you may have a chance to negotiate the price and may have $10-30 discounts at day time.

You may also check sextalk.ru for the detailed reports about the girls, but not too many girls have reports.

If you are an adventurous guy (or stupidly brave like me), meet the girls in their incalls (studio or her own apartment). But don’t forget, you have to be careful in all times; nobody knows what you’re gone get when she welcomes you to her place.

Before the extreme cold weather, there were girls, wearing miniskirts in –12.

Helena Moscow
01-30-06, 11:20
Guys,

I plan a trip to Moscow in April and had a couple quick questions. I hope one tof the Moscow experts can enlighten me.

- Does the miniskirt season start as early as mid April in Moscow?

- I have been hearing that prices went up a lot in Moscow. Could somebody let me know the current tochka and salon prices?

- Is Kirnat still OK?

Spasino Bolshoe!Miniskirt season here never ends =)))

Lover
01-30-06, 12:52
Hedonist, I will be in Moscow in April so we might can hit it together.

I will be in Russia from April 12-24. Definetelly will stay in Moscow from April14-17 and from 21-24.

Also I am planning to do some travelling outside Moscow.

I am native speaker so I hope to hit some freebies , but to be honest it usually take time and sometimes more money than deal with attractive professional.

Will try to use different options this time:stripclubs,salons,apartments,individuals. Also will go outside Moscow in other cities where you can get cute girls for fraction of Moscow cost.

In April it is still pretty cool but when I was there a couple of years ago I seen some girls with shirt skirts.

Let me know what you planning to do?

Lover

Big Bro AJ
01-30-06, 12:56
In USA, I used Lifestyle and/or Trojen.

In Istanbul, at first I tried OK, oh man; it was total disaster. Even the thin ones were terrible, too rubbery. Since than, I have used Durex (especially the pink(serrated) or purple(thin) ones).

In Moscow, most of the girls don’t like the taste of the Durex. Therefore, I blindly bought condoms at magazines. I bought the feather pic on it; but lately I found the serrated ones by chance. Each box contains only three condoms. Not enough for me; and looking various types of condoms.

I heard there are several freaky sex shops; has anyone know one?

Hedonist
01-30-06, 23:28
Thank you guys for all your input.

I know Moscow is too expensive these days. I have been traveling to Thailand, Cyprus and Moldova in the recent years partially for this reason. But now I feel I really should go to Moscow because I missed it. Also, I am currently debating whether I should end my glorious mongering career (which I started in Moscow) and get serious with my current GF (a Russian girl of course) :)

Lover: If my plans don't change I will arrive on Apr 15 and stay until Apr 22. So our dates are perfectly overlapping. I will be more than happy to hit provincial Russia with you. Let's get in touch.

Is there anybody else planning to be in Moscow in April? The more, the merrier!

Shostakovich
01-30-06, 23:52
BB AJ

A very serious topic...I just try not to remember CA_T's Calieflower loveletter...

Anyhow since I'm not so expierenced like CA_T and using a torch to check girls anatomie before going in deep action I swear on german made quality "CONTINENTAL" rubber jackets!

The best option IMHO is Billy Boy which is available in different colours and taste...

They are available in the 12 piece "overnighter" pack and the 24 piece weekend "fun for all the family" pack...

Since I'm used to make pictures of pleasent moments, I learned that a little bit of contrast and well balanced colours could help to improove the quality of the pics...attached a sample for your reference!

P.S. In case your are not interested to increase Moscow population please choose CIM or COF and beware of russian made condoms

CA Traveler
01-31-06, 03:30
shos... you HAD to bring that up... Right? Not to burst your bubble, but if you run into a similar situation, the best "german made" quality raincoat will not protect you if you plow into something like that! HPV is one of those things that a condom will probably not protect against.

Big Bro AJ
01-31-06, 08:42
I searched the archives but could not find CAT’s extraordinary experience. But, I remembered that report. It showed how to be careful in mongering. If I am not wrong, CAT got the girl from a Tochka.

Also, another monger friend paid enormous amounts of money to a so-called “classy” escort, restaurant and so on, later that night he figured out that she was on her period. And she did not even bother to return his money.

And, Stefanno’s interpreter did not want to be with me; according to her I was too active. huh…

Things happen...

Shos,

I have never had problems. I am not sure whether they are made in Russia or not. But, you may find them in every magazine.


By the way, what about the sex shops? Russian women love lingerie and kinky staff. I am sure their sex shops might be too interesting to see.

Ender
01-31-06, 10:29
Better late than never I suppose, but I did want to comment on my 7 day trip to Moscow in the fall. In summary it is a story of an experienced monger who is a newbie to Russia and some thoughts/tips for others who might be in a similar situation.

I'll say that Russia was not what I expected, and in many ways threw me for more of a loop than I had expected.

It started with a flight from Madrid via Italy to Moscow on Al Italia. In my 58 countries and 100's of thousands of sky miles experience, flying Al Italia was the greatest mistake of my traveling history. Lets simply say that I was sans baggage and clothing for 5 days on the way to Moscow and on the way back both times the airline misplaced my luggage in Milan. No upgrades, no appologies, nothing. I will never fly that airline as long as I live, just my 2 cents, but beware.

Finding clothes and suits in Moscow of good quality and in my size was far harder than expected, and far costlier than I had imagined. The selection at the malls were lackluster and the stores at the Arbat are about the same in cost as my hometown 5th ave in NYC.

I was also surprised at the sheer cost of my trip (possibly too many to SE asia and south America). I stayed in a suite at the Ukrainskya Hotel (one of Stalin's towers) for $225 USD / night. No problems with the girls and had a nice stay overall. You will not get a room for less than $150 USD/night I found the suites to be worth the extra dough. I went to a few other hotels to check out the prices/scene and found most others to be more expensive. So, I suppose the first thing of note was that Moscow was going to be more expensive than many of my other most recent destinations Kiev and other cities in the Ukraine were 1/3 the cost and just as nice or nicer and in SE Asia or South America you could stay at a similar quality hotel for 1/5 the cost. Due to the fact that it was a last minute trip for business you should also be aware that an rushed visa application and processing will run you an additional $150. Make sure to give your visa to your hotel to process it upon your arrival (also an additional fee) as a friend of mine who failed to do this was wacked with a $200 fine upon leaving Moscow.

My style of mongering is spending half of my time searching for the non-pros and the other half at the regular wattering holes. I had set up a few meetings with women I met online and who could speak English and had read the boards here in order to plan my attack.

The loss of my clothes and luggage put a serious hamper on my trip and I wound up meeting only 2 of the 6 women I had met online. Not bad considering that I had only started writing to them 1 week before when I knew I was going to be in Moscow. I have to say that the two that I met were regular total non-pros in their mid 20's who had some good conversations and were exactly as their pictures showed on the Internet. I was however slighltly dissapointed either in my seduction skills or their lack of availability to close the deal with either of them during my trip. For some reason, I was expecting something more amourous to occur. I do however feel that had I spent more time with them and in the com***ication beforehand things would have been much different.

I went to the standard places some apartments etc and the women were exactly as advertised, hot as hell and total pros. The highlight of the trip had to be the bar / pickup place owned by two Canadians called Doug and Marty's Boar House. I had a great time at this place and there were loads of prime women and some great expat conversation. The weekends were the best with the tallent going down seriously on Sunday and Monday. Also had some luck at the Real McCoy right near the US Embasy. However the Boar house was great and highly reccomended.

In summary, the women of Russia are possibly the hottest in the world. I found myself more attracted to them than any other mongering destination (and I have been to Cuba, DR, CR, Columbia, Brazil, Argentina, Ukraine, Czech Rep, Nic, Cambidia, Vietnam, Laos, Manila and Indonesia) and with the exception of Urkraine and Brazil one would be hard pressed to find more beautiful women. The prices are not bad and not great. $50 for an hour or so and $150 for the entire night is what my experience was. I would have to say that I would imagine my expeience to be far better if I had been able to speak Russian. Being able to speak Spanish might bias me but I found the Russian pros to be slightly colder than their SE Asian or Latin counterparts. Would I return? Yes, but I would spend more time, try and learn some Russian and work on the non-pro angle. I actually found the Ukraine to be more to my liking with friendlier women, cheaper and better hotels and no visa hassle. Thus my next trip will most likely be to the south.

Hope my experience helps some other Russian newbies out. To all of you who travel to Moscow on a regular basis and can speak the language, you guys are in heaven, wish I was there.

Ender

Starchild2012
01-31-06, 15:39
Well...i never get to reach moscow...till i get to perfect my karma :)

so its my daily routine to search for info's to keep me uptodate till i land in moscow.

yeah...now a days the hot topic is on cost of accomodation...so during my googling upto 20th page i found some interesting links and thanks to bigbroAJ's links in distinction..i got some confirmation...

Check this out...

http://eng.moscowout.ru/accommodation/hotels/906/

http://eng.moscowout.ru/accommodation/hotels/?page=2

http://www.hotels-moscow.ru/metro.html


The first link take's you to the hotel were prices are in 500 RBL range but it also says that its mainly for institute stuff and writers ...and all the facilities they mention are confusing ..like wise may be if you search from second link you will get 100's of links of hotels in and around metro area that are in 15-20 USD range..

to get it right if you check the third link of metro map...they are indeed in and around moscow..yet the prices are soo low..compared to what we are used to.

May be the rooms are for some other purpose or whatever....but im sure its russia and like any country they will compromise with the rooms if they are vacant.

Or may be im ill-informed about these things...so could any experienced mongers please shed more info on these type of accomodations.

Thanks,

Loser.

Starchild2012
01-31-06, 15:56
Well...my googling is not stopping today no more :)


here is another link that promises rooms as low as 20 to 25 USD and with lots of information and instant online booking and more importantly...yeah with lots and lots of information about rooms :)

http://all-hotels.ru/index.en.html


Loser.

Stravinsky
01-31-06, 21:53
Looks like reasonably priced hotel accomodations have suddenly become a hot topic.

Something most people don't know is that the Moldovan Embassy in Moscow operates a small private hotel in the center of town. The info can be found here:

http://eng.moscowout.ru/accommodation/hotels/891/

(don't look at the map link, because the location indicated on the map is completely off).

I have stayed there once before, so I speak from experience. It has an excellent location, right at the intersection of Rozhdyestvenka and Kuznyetski Most. The metro station is just across the street, Red Square is a 10 minute walk. The building itself is located a good ways back from the street in a courtyard, so it's always very quiet.

It's a Russian style hotel, so no A/C in the summer, but it is actually quite nice. The "deluxe" rooms go for $85 a night (better check for current rates). They have a separate bedroom in addition to a kind of sitting room, with TV & phone, fully furnished.

Nice bathroom, with toilet paper! lol Tub and shower with hot water... all the time!

The downside is, they don't speak English, and it's cash only, but then, at $85 a night, you won't need much.

Can't testify as to whether they are "chica friendly". I'm sure the okhrana at the kiosk out front where you enter from the alleyway will not challenge you if you want to bring a dyev back you your room. The dyezhoornaya at the front desk might say something, but mainly she will probably just want you to pay for the extra person, and if you come back after midnight, she probably won't even be on duty.

So, for what you will pay for 1 night at the Hyatt Ararat, which is just around the corner, you could stay an entire week at the Moldova hotel. Kinda makes you think...

Etaoin2003
02-01-06, 00:58
Better late than never I suppose, but I did want to comment on my 7 day trip to Moscow in the fall.

Ender, thanks for a great report. A point of clarification: $50 for girls at the Boar House?

Sounds like a great time.

Helena Moscow
02-01-06, 05:20
BB AJ

A very serious topic. I just try not to remember CA_T's Calieflower loveletter.

Anyhow since I'm not so expierenced like CA_T and using a torch to check girls anatomie before going in deep action I swear on german made quality "CONTINENTAL" rubber jackets!

The best option IMHO is Billy Boy which is available in different colours and taste.

They are available in the 12 piece "overnighter" pack and the 24 piece weekend "fun for all the family" pack.

Since I'm used to make pictures of pleasent moments, I learned that a little bit of contrast and well balanced colours could help to improove the quality of the pics. Attached a sample for your reference!

P.S. In case your are not interested to increase Moscow population please choose CIM or COF and beware of russian made condomsIn Russia we have good "Sico" condoms. They never breake. The best ones are in black box.

Helena Moscow
02-01-06, 05:30
In USA, I used Lifestyle and/or Trojen.

In Istanbul, at first I tried OK, oh man; it was total disaster. Even the thin ones were terrible, too rubbery. Since than, I have used Durex (especially the pink(serrated) or purple(thin) ones).

In Moscow, most of the girls don’t like the taste of the Durex. Therefore, I blindly bought condoms at magazines. I bought the feather pic on it; but lately I found the serrated ones by chance. Each box contains only three condoms. Not enough for me; and looking various types of condoms.

I heard there are several freaky sex shops; has anyone know one?French condoms break. Buy German. Troyan is good, but not available in Russia. The worst condoms are the ones with frut taste. They may break even defore you start to use them =))

Ender
02-01-06, 08:20
Ender, thanks for a great report. A point of clarification: $50 for girls at the Boar House?

Sounds like a great time.

No and yes. Most girls at the Boar House wanted to go long time although I am sure that they would go for an hour or so for $50 or so. But my experience was a constant quote of between $150-$200 for the entire night. I was told by some of the expats that they would go down to $125 for all night especially if you were a return visitor.

Nice thing for me was that at the Boar House about 60% of the girls spoke some English which for some reason on this trip meant something to me.

The Boar House was just plain fun with great drinks and good expat company and on Friday and Saturday there were easily 60+ available women all looking for a date that evening. It was all Inividual girls looking for dates with no cover charge, no surcharge and no extra fees to the bar. It was the closest thing to La Dolce Vita in Cartagena that I have seen anywhere in the world!

As for the Hotel issue, $80 for an unknown place with questionable security and location is not something I was loking to experiment with, but you are all correct that $200+ per night is just plain silly in a city where you can get some of the hottest tang for $30 short time. I was able to check out some of the apartments from the following services:

http://www.moscow-comfort.com/
http://www.apartmentsmoscow.com/

I really liked the service and support of the 2nd company whom I spoke to on the phone while I was in Moscow. English speaking and totally professional, I would do business with them in a heartbeat. $80 for an apartment with a kitchen sounds like a good thing for me.

ENDER

Pet Goldfish
02-01-06, 09:27
Here is a list of normal girls I used in Moscow. I have tried only a couple of them.

Apartaments
http://sexfabrika.ru/modules/gallery2/index.php?op=detail&pic_id=68&start=0
http://sexfabrika.ru/modules/gallery2/index.php?op=detail&pic_id=51&start=0
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=20300
http://dosugonline.ru/catalog/index.php?town_id=2&cat_id=2&id=2087
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=19260
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=19259

Great salons
http://dosugonline.ru/catalog/index.php?town_id=2&cat_id=2&id=2199
http://sexfabrika.ru/modules/gallery2/index.php?op=detail&pic_id=21&start=0
http://lovecontact.ru/yulya/
http://sexfabrika.ru/modules/gallery2/index.php?op=detail&pic_id=54&start=0
http://dosugonline.ru/catalog/index.php?town_id=2&cat_id=2&id=2174

Caused in hotel
http://sexfabrika.ru/modules/gallery2/index.php?op=detail&pic_id=78&start=0
http://znakomstva.nu/1130920762
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=21439
http://dosugonline.ru/catalog/index.php?town_id=2&cat_id=2&id=2108

That who loves massage
http://massaj.msk.ru
http://vipmassage.ru
http://dominoclub.ru
http://shtangaclub.ru
http://cats.vipmassage.ru
http://bumer.allmassage.ru/photo.htm

New striptease club where there is an inexpensive sex
http://alcaponeclub.ru/modules/xt_conteudo/index.php?id=4


All of a pleasant relaxation!

DownUnder
02-01-06, 14:00
1) You are 3rd person who have told that Al Italia lost their luggage - where's there's smaoke there's fire.

2) Paying only $75 more for a suite then a regular room at the Ukrainskya Hotel sounds like a steal, where as in most places, suities are the airline equvilent of first class and priced accordingly.

The prices at the Boar House seemed almost reasonable after the alarming increase, people have been reporting in Moscow lately.

Lust For Ladies
02-02-06, 00:25
I am trying to plan a trip to Russia later this year based upon some information that I have received from a fellow monger. He insist that if I enjoy "animalistic porno style sex" (no holes barred, CIM/COF, etc) that ther is no place better than Russia. Mind you I am a fairly seasoned monger having traveled extensively in Latin America (calenas rule! ) and Asia. So my question to you gentlemen is.

IS it TRUE? IS the Russia truly the place of my dreams for this kind of activity? Can I expect CIM and COF to be a normal event with the ladies? Plz share your thoughts.

Also. What city is the best. Moscow or St Pete?

Lusty

Ender
02-03-06, 13:23
I am trying to plan a trip to Russia later this year based upon some information that I have received from a fellow monger. He insist that if I enjoy "animalistic porno style sex" (no holes barred, CIM/COF, etc) that ther is no place better than Russia. Mind you I am a fairly seasoned monger having traveled extensively in Latin America (calenas rule! ) and Asia. So my question to you gentlemen is.

IS it TRUE? IS the Russia truly the place of my dreams for this kind of activity? Can I expect CIM and COF to be a normal event with the ladies? Plz share your thoughts.

Also. What city is the best. Moscow or St Pete?

Lusty

Lusty,
I would say that indeed Moscow (not SP) is your choice destination. PSE all the way. Initially I thought that that was what I was into but sadly my trip to Moscow proved me too much of a lightweight but this may not be the case for everyone. CIM, COF no problem in Russia. I just personally found the experience too pro for my tastes. But if you have no problem with a ***** acting like a ***** and nothing else then this is the place in my opinion.

ENDER

Doctor_Skank
02-03-06, 16:30
TL2:

Although Ender is right that CIM and COF is quite common in Russia, certainly not every pro will do it... if it's important for you, you should ask the girl upfront or trust your persuasion skills later on.

I have found that most "take home" pros will give you BBBJ, however many salon girls will not.... seems that most salons have a policy against BBBJ.

If you are into freebies, nearly all will accept CIM or COF.

Moscow has more pro options than St.Pete, but St.Pete has an excellent selection of salons... and is considerably cheaper regarding daily costs. Salon girls can be taken to your apartment as well, and there the CIM/COF becomes a matter of negotiation.

Pet Goldfish
02-05-06, 09:15
[QUOTE=IS it TRUE? IS the Russia truly the place of my dreams for this kind of activity? Can I expect CIM and COF to be a normal event with the ladies? Plz share your thoughts.
Also. What city is the best. Moscow or St Pete?
Lusty[/QUOTE]I from Germany. Often I come to Moscow. I consider, that this best place and all that about it ãîâîðÿò-it even is less, than is actually! About all kinds of sex and about studios C|M - it is easy to learn at a forum.

http://sextalk.ru

All of a pleasant relaxation!

One O Nine
02-05-06, 09:26
Here's my warning to everyone. Don't follow in the footsteps of Napoleon, von Bock and Kluge. Bring warm clothes. If you think you know cold, if you think you're prepared, think again. Moscow is COLD. Oh God. It grappples you with frozen clutches, shoves an icicle up your nose, and almost turns you into a solid block of carbonite, Han Solo style. Bring warm clothes for every part of your body. Thermal underwear will save your life. You'll feel miserable at best, but you may survive to fight another day.

The scene is worth it though. Last night I started off at 911 VIP, and it was reasonbly empty, with plenty of gorgeous dancers being neglected. I'm told on some slower nights they don't see a single client. What can be better than that? There's plenty of cheap sex to be had in the VIP rooms, for I believe as low as 2,000 roubles.I didn't partake, but I took a girl home who turned out to be a former reality TV star from the Russian version of Big Brother. She's all over the internet, as she proudly showed me. She wasn't the most striking girl in the club, but she was the most "normal" stripper I've ever met, and it truly felt like we had a date and not just sex for money.

It wasn't enough for me however, and at around 3 am I went to CF. The place is back. I should check it out at an earlier time. Even at 3 am there was a good selection of pros and freebies. The skanks were in the minority, and going home by themselves in droves. Unfortunately I was too drunk to think logically and took home the two girls I wasn't particularly attracted to. They were black and said they were from Cuba, but their accents were different and I think they were from Africa somewhere. The girl asked for $300 for one first, immediately came down to 2, and then I got both of them for 3. Almost like the good old days. In the taxi I sobered up a bit and almost regretted taking them, but they really gave me my money's worth. Even after I was exhausted and was sending them home, they kept on rubbing against me and trying to excite me. Great teamwork, too. I went to sleep happy.

My Own Again
02-05-06, 11:20
I have been with many Tochka girls and have yet to find one who does not do BBBJ. Nearly all of them also considered going bareback vaginally or even anally as quite normal or acceptable. They are using these Farmatex/Pharmatex suppositories and believe that this is a sufficient prevention against the virus. The opposite is actually true. These may help to prevent pregnancies but will help to irritate and injure the vaginal tissues and help the virus to enter the blood system.
I spoke to all of them about this. Most of the very young ones (18 to 20) did not believe that the virus is spread sexually. They only heard of drug users having the virus.



TL2:

Although Ender is right that CIM and COF is quite common in Russia, certainly not every pro will do it... if it's important for you, you should ask the girl upfront or trust your persuasion skills later on.

I have found that most "take home" pros will give you BBBJ, however many salon girls will not.... seems that most salons have a policy against BBBJ.

If you are into freebies, nearly all will accept CIM or COF.

Moscow has more pro options than St.Pete, but St.Pete has an excellent selection of salons... and is considerably cheaper regarding daily costs. Salon girls can be taken to your apartment as well, and there the CIM/COF becomes a matter of negotiation.

It Travel
02-05-06, 14:53
I was just trying in finding a Mistress throughout Internet. Of course in Moscow. Easy if you have time and you want to pay.

Out of 50 ads I was searching for (on www.omen.ru) I got approx. ten answers. Some had already telephones: normal girls, and pros…even 4 ads was with telephone. All of them between 18 and 25 and willing to be “sponsored” for studying. Their counterpart will be obviously fucking. Who would not find a good option having an 18teen really obeying mistress? I chose one, surely not the most expensive, but interesting on ground she was offering “afternoons”.

So finally I got in touch with Inna (see the ad, photo not real):
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=613288

It was mostly a joke, but 45.000 RUR (approx 1.500 €) for having a teenager in bed every afternoon should be a good opinion if I was living in Moscow and doing nothing (I usually work in these hours) you even have your evening free for another girlfriend!!

Finally I met with Inna, a fake name, she told me, 19 y.o approx. 175, a thin brunette, with a nice face and a beautiful thin body. 1st in tits, 38-40 (European) in clothes. Ideal girl and body for fucking out your brain…

At the restaurant we met we decide to go to another, and so we did: eating fish.

She was talking a good English and explaining that she was a student to be a lawyer, just started last September, and how expensive it was living in Moscow. She, by the way, was living with a friend (a 26 y.o) girl. Some times they where chatting by SMS on ground, she said, they just bought a new TV.

So for making a long story short, this teen was trying to seduce me in every possible manner, looking in my eyes, touching me, going with her knees on mine…

Finally she made clear that she could get to my hotel (for a testing !) immediately, but she had to leave at 5.30 for university on ground she is attending in the evening… It was already 3 PM…. We decided that I will go at her home next day at 1 PM so at least for hours of wild sex. Before this I asked her (on ground she proposed it) getting home to do what.

The answer was shocking from a teen (dressed like a western 30 y.o. model): we can play, we can play a lot. I know games that you can not even image on… but I need a contribution only for this first time of 500 USD.

Yes I said we will meet tomorrow so I got her address etc. etc.

Then I was back home I was thinking… but I’m not so often in Moscow, I do not need a fixed Mistress… And 500 USD for an afternoon (!)… really to much even for Moscow: Of course the girl was beautiful but not the real stunner that could be valued so much. So I phoned her again and with an excuse I just told her that I could not meet her.

By the way it was really an interesting experience. It’s so easy to get a friend (just paying). Next time I’ll go for a week I will try to get a normal girl in the 18-25 y.o. on internet. Let’s see.

Anyway a horny experience. If I were not in a restaurant with her looking so and touching so… her clothes would have lasted not more than a couple of seconds.

In the evening I was so horny so I had to get a girl and I got Ekaterina (four hours for 4.000 RUR), but that will be the next story (with pics).

IT

It Travel
02-05-06, 19:36
Getting Ekaterina (real name, I do not remember the fake) was very easy, just phone to one of the agencies with 2-3 girls advertised on www.intimcity.ru , usually they have many more.

I was so horny after the meeting with Inna… so I did not search well. Just some girl to fuck!

I got Ekaterina (se pics section for details).

O cuddling, no kissing, no no no. I think you all have experienced this type if girl. At least it was cheap (for Moscow) 4.000 RUR for 4 hours including transport!

The funny thing was that the no no no girl (with superb tits) was just doing nothing.

Sucking (covered), and then riding cow girl to the final shot. At the third ride it must have taken at least 40 minutes riding! No problem… Then it was the fourth. Fortunately when se phoned to the room to be picked up in the lobby I took a 50 mg Viagra…

Ekaterina was riding like a rabbit. I got no other girl riding so! All the rest was shit but the riding: WOW!!

I can’t imagine if I took her for all the night!

Of course no “Intim Pictures”, only with clothes.

IT


PS Pics in the Pics Section

One O Nine
02-06-06, 02:22
Here's a red alert to everyon. I"m really drunk righ now so please forgive my spelling. I got togehter for Dr Skank tonight and we had a good time generally. We ended up at CF, and he grabbed a freebie, and I thought I got one too. I took this girl home, we drank some more at home - we both were really drunk to begin with - and suddenly she grew really violent, grabbed the corkscrew and the breadknife that were on the nearby table and started luning at me. I barely avoided being stabbed, disarmed her, and threw her out. She began wailing and woke up most of the neightobrs who came out to take a look.

Heres the girk's picture I took while she was still cal,. Avoid at all costs. You may not be as lucky as I was.

One O Nine
02-06-06, 07:21
Oh, the attachment didn't go through last night, here it is.

P.S. I just found an empty vial of Klofilin behind the toilet. I know it wasn't there yesterday. I don't think the girl managed to put it in my drink though because I just feel hung over, nowhere near what I got the last time I got roofied. Anyway, I sure know how to pick them.

I gotta figure out some way to print that picture of her, and take it to CF security.

One Wing Low
02-06-06, 07:30
Damn hoes are so unpredictable.


Oh, the attachment didn't go through last night, here it is.

CA Traveler
02-06-06, 09:02
109... scary story... Glad all is well now.

vv... I think you may have a misunderstanding of a tochka! A tochka is a line-up near a main street where the girls line up and you choose one. By definition, it would be very difficult to book a tochka girl on the internet.

It Travel
02-06-06, 10:21
Now she has even a new link!

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=25370

Curious but my pics are much better... and tits are not 4th as declared, they are mich more...

IT

Shostakovich
02-06-06, 14:03
109

thanks for sharing also bad expierences with us...most post's here only made to get member in the hall of fame... but life is different and its important to get a real information's about our hobby!

Thanks and god bless your safety angel


Shos

Helena Moscow
02-06-06, 17:27
Oh, the attachment didn't go through last night, here it is.

P.S. I just found an empty vial of Klofilin behind the toilet. I know it wasn't there yesterday. I don't think the girl managed to put it in my drink though because I just feel hung over, nowhere near what I got the last time I got roofied. Anyway, I sure know how to pick them.

I gotta figure out some way to print that picture of her, and take it to CF security.Oh, you really lucky to go off easily. I think may be it could help if you took girls telephone at the very beginning? Just for your own safety. Then she would think twice before doing crime. Fortunately such things are rare.

My Own Again
02-06-06, 21:43
Tochka girls I have met, and there were many of them, are concerned about not geting pregnant only. I did not test their inteligence, but some of them spoke very good English so they could not have been totally stupid. Ejaculating in the arse is OK, you cannot get pregnant that way. But ejaculating in the **** is dangerous.

One O Nine
02-07-06, 00:10
Thanks everyone. Looks like I was drugged after all, just nowhere near as bad as the last time this summer. I checked out the vial she left behind on the internet, and it's a mild form used as eye drops. The dosage of Сlophelinum was less than 1 g, which is what anyone could be prescribed for high blood pressure. Most of the negative side effects in my case are probably from mixing it with alcohol. I just felt really slow and sleepy all day, developed some near sightedness for a couple of hours, and that was really it.

So, once again, watch your drinks at all times! I already had a bad experience, but apparently I still wasn't vigilant enough. Keep your eyes on the bottles, too; I think she might have put it in the bottle of wine we were drinking and not directly into my glass.

Secondly, hide all the sharp objecs. I put away all the knives and forks and corkscrews, glasses and frying pans. This wasn't the first time that a girl went crazy on me, and it's just not a good idea to have a butcher knife convinently lying around.

CA Traveler
02-07-06, 04:47
HM... actually that is a very good idea... providing that your phone doesn't transmit your telephone number at the same time... then you would have some idea how to contact her if she does something like this.

One O Nine
02-07-06, 05:28
I don't think the phone thing is really that much of a deterrent. Even if she gives you her actual number in her actual name, after she drugs you she can just steal wherever you wrote her number down.

I'm thinking that the thing to do would be to lock the door, and then have her watch as you lock the keys into the safe. Knowing she wouldn't be able to get out with you being unconcsious should work. However this would also have the effect of scaring the shit out of regular girls, so I don't know.

Maybe the best idea is simply not to drink at home, especially with girls from less reputable sources like CF, Hungry Duck, or tochkas. "Oh, honey, I'm already too drunk, but why don't you have some Bailey's by yourself?" That would have the added benefit of keeping you more sober to enjoy the sex.

My Own Again
02-07-06, 06:02
[QUOTE=One ... with girls from less reputable sources like CF, Hungry Duck, or tochkas. [/QUOTE]

I would not be worried about the girls from tochkas. They are on the very lowest level in the hierarchy, much worried about what is going to happen to them to be able to do anything criminal themselves. They are sold to a customer they do not see and know nothing about. They do not know how many man are waiting for them in the appartement they are being taken too. They do not know what will be required of them. They do not know where they are and how to get out from there. Even if they manage to lock themselves in the bathroom and telephone for help, they usually do not know where they are. They are usually girls from the country that arrived to Moscow a few days before and do not know anyone there apart from their ponce, the mamochka and one or two girls they share the bed with.

Starchild2012
02-07-06, 08:29
I had the very similier or exactly the same after effect that you had mentioned.

I was about to write my experience yesterday, but you had mentioned that you were not drugged but just drunk.

Boy, it can happen to you anywere, the incident that happened to me was in my backyard not in russua but in india, mumbai.

And being a local guy in that bar, some of the staff know me pretty well, but not to the extent of caring me well but for tips and still more tips when im dead drunk.

They knew that i usually go home dead drunk but not that im not aware how much i spend.

last friday, i had being drinking and drunk as usual, but just as if i was unaware what was hapenning to me...i was not even able to move myself from one side to other. My whole mind was spinning totally out of control and did not know what is going around...i normally used to drink that much, but i never had that after effect.

I know something was wroung, so i asked for bill and they said its 2000 RS normally it would be 800 ....i said i need to go to ATM..two guys came along with me and i did not know at that moment how much i withdraw....

i just took a cab and just dropped dead in my house and woke up next day 6 PM....I have never ever slept so much with as much drinking my whole life...

i knew i lost it out and i being druged and i was not able to comprehend how much money i lost out and fight with those guys for money.

With a big heart i dared to check if i had my ATM card, thank fully i had and tried to check my balence. ...i lost 5000 RS that day and withdraw two times for 3 and 2 k .....im not sure when did that happen...

After lot of R&D..i found out there operation....the girls are not the chief operands...waiters, bartenders, anybody who is associated with the club is involved in drugging you..

Im 100 % sure that you did not go to the bar first time. they must have identified you and i think you go to these places and get drunk heavelly most of the time.

As you said you have being drugged in the bar itself, The authorities are im sure knows what goes on were and then there next card is women to make you more involved.

If you check with these guys in the bar, they would support you whole hearttedly and blame the women and would say we will check it out...but just keep a low profile and visit the bar after some weeks and if you keep a vigilent eye ...you will know it goes hand in hand with the bar managers and you will find exactly the same women that you think drugged you.

Rule No. 1 ....I think..if we drink heavely in the same bar, we are at risk, cos im certain that it happens with the involvement of the bar authorities, cos the women keep changing most of the time and we do not take the same women twice.

I think some other senior forum member, a year back had mentioned the same drugging efffect in CF.

Rule No.2 ....Im just lucky that im alive :)....and it feels to live the tale ...God knows in a foreign country we are on our fate itself.....be careful what goes in and out of your glass....and do not stay for more than it is required..cos the authorites are scanning their next victim....

It should have being in the India forum, but i was planning a trip shortly in moscow..so it better go here..and anyway mostly all bars in mumbai are closed.


Loser.

One O Nine
02-07-06, 14:41
BL5,

You may be right in general, but it certainly didn't seem to be the case in my particular incident. Firstly, I haven't been to that place in almost six months. Secondly, I found the empty bottle from the drug in my bathroom here. Lastly, I highly doubt that a criminal organization would so completely trust a drunken histerical *****.

I'm betting she acted alone, and I was one of her first victims. She clearly did not know what she was doing. She couldn't give me the proper dosage of the drug, she couldn't stay calm waiting for it to take effect, and she couldn't handle the situation at all once things started falling apart. Thank God for that.

Here's a photo of the thing I found in my bathroom. You can kind of see it says KLOFELIN in Russian, but it's a little hard to read. It's a little squirt bottle, and you have to unscrew the top to use it - so it takes a little effort and a bit of time to use it. Keep your eyes open.

Waster99
02-07-06, 16:25
Just want to say my 2 cents about the medical discussion. Klofelin is a blood-pressure suppressive drug, according to the litterateur it can give you some dizziness but rarely any fainting, it is mainly used to lower the blood pressure and to take some workload off a failuring heart, not to put someone to sleep and/or drug one out of his mind. I guess a severe blood-pressure drop could result in a lot of dizziness but there has to be much better drugs available on the non controlled pharmaceutics market in Moscow, such as diazepam (Valium®) or Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol®)

Stravinsky
02-07-06, 17:25
Just curious....

Can someone explain the attraction of CF?

With all the bad reports that come out of there and with all the other options available in Moscow, why would anyone want to waste their time there?

Helena Moscow
02-07-06, 19:10
I don't think the phone thing is really that much of a deterrent. Even if she gives you her actual number in her actual name, after she drugs you she can just steal wherever you wrote her number down.

I'm thinking that the thing to do would be to lock the door, and then have her watch as you lock the keys into the safe. Knowing she wouldn't be able to get out with you being unconcsious should work. However this would also have the effect of scaring the shit out of regular girls, so I don't know.

Maybe the best idea is simply not to drink at home, especially with girls from less reputable sources like CF, Hungry Duck, or tochkas. "Oh, honey, I'm already too drunk, but why don't you have some Bailey's by yourself?" That would have the added benefit of keeping you more sober to enjoy the sex.Locking the door can work. But it can also frighten an absolutely normal girl. For ex. I'd never stay with a guy who locks the door. I'd suspect him of something.

You are right that she can give wrong number or still it out. But still there is a chance. Firsr you'll see her reaction: how she'll behave after you ask her number. If she is happy or nervouse. You can try to call her mobile immediately - and see if its real or not. Second - she may change her mind to give you klofelin even if she planned, because she may hope that you become her permanent client (be useful without crime). I think these girls are scared themselves to do it. And the slightest change of scene can make them change their criminal plans.

And. The best thing is for sure: to let her know that you have no money in your place, except the agreed amount of money for her. Because if there is nothing to still from you, then no motivation for crime.

Anyway it's good that it's possible to discuss such things and share experience. Little by little = a lot.

One O Nine
02-07-06, 20:54
Because on a slow cold weekday night, CF is still the cheapest, easiest, surest option with the largest selection. Everything else either takes more money or more time. At CF you can just walk in, get loaded, and leave with somebody with no effort on your part.

Of course, after getting drugged there twice, I think last Sunday was my last visit there ever.


Just want to say my 2 cents about the medical discussion. Klofelin is a blood-pressure suppressive drug, according to the litterateur it can give you some dizziness but rarely any fainting, it is mainly used to lower the blood pressure and to take some workload off a failuring heart, not to put someone to sleep and/or drug one out of his mind.

In my personal experience, a proper dosage (which is much higher I'm sure than the recommended ones you find in medical literature) will literally turn off your brain for two days. Not familiar with the effects of the other drugs you've mentioned, but Klofelin will certainly do its job if administered properly. The previous time this was done to me, thankfully I noticed the effects just before we got to my apartment and got rid of the girls; and then the next thing I remember is waking up 14 hours later, and then being unable to wake up for more than an hour every 12 hours for the next two days. I hadn't had anything to eat or drink the whole time, too, as I was barely concious when I was up.

Trust me, when the dosage is right, the thing is brutal.

My Own Again
02-07-06, 22:43
Why don't you go to a tochka instead. For 150$ you have a very decent girl for the whole night. And the selection is very large.

One O Nine
02-08-06, 03:00
You're absolutely right My Own.

I started off at Spearmint Rhino tonight, and unfortunately didn't play my cards right at all. As soon as I walked in I saw this absolute stunner, who was sitting with a bunch of Turkish businessmen and looked bored. While I was waiting for her to free up, I was approached by another gorgeous girl, who looked a lot like Patricia Velasquez from that movie The Mummy, even with the same exact haircut. So I hit it off with Ankh-sun-a*** pretty well, but then she had to go up on the main stage, and at the same exact time the Turkish gentlemen left, and the blonde came up to sit with me. Ankh-sun-a*** didn't like that at all. Soon enough I struck out with the blonde; she told me very quickly that she wasn't that kind of girl, she was only out there to dance, she didn't have sex with nobody, and so on. So off she went.

Then the brunette was back at my table, and just as I was this close to finally convincing her to go home with me, the girl Olga I had met six months ago (see this old report http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=380091#post380091) came out of fucking nowhere, sat at our table, and ruined everything. I couldn't get rid of her for the life of me, she wouldn't let me say a word to Nadya the brunette, and soon enough I was left with the choice of going home with Olga, or going home by myself. I chose the latter.

The driver drove me to some far-away tochka, the selection was decent for 2 am on a Tuesday, I grabbed this 18 year old from Moldavia named Alyonushka and we had a great time. She had some of the weirdest, scariest stories to tell about her past, but a while ago I just stopped caring. The sex was good, she worked really hard, and left me more than satisfied. All for exactly $150.

So, yeah, tochkas are great, as long as you're jaded enough to fuck a teenage orphan who's been hooking for six years and had her spine broken last year by the mob.

Russia Fan
02-08-06, 13:37
thought i’d share a recent experience at oh la la. we’d heard good reports of the place but now cannot confirm this. if anybody really wants to go there, make sure you take lots of change, i.e. lots of 100rb notes. they seem to have a cynical and short-sighted policy of not giving change, presumably to encourage stupid businessman to pay 500rb or more for 2 mins lap dance instead of 100rb. we went with some german business visitors and this policy quickly scared all of our guests away from the main room into a protective huddle by the bar to escape the aggressive girls. our partners were definitely ready to spend money but this approach tor****ed the evening. somebody said it used to be run by a frenchman but has gone down hill since he left. can’t imagine going back. any ideas on lower pressure places?

Doctor_Skank
02-08-06, 15:15
109:

Sorry mate! Really horrible to hear what happened! The girl looked great and I guess it was really too good to be true.... remember that I also got drugged at CF sometime last year and somehow made it home alone and alive. Fucked me up for almost 2 days. Really happy to hear that you are ok.

CF does kind of suck in a major way, but for those wondering why we go there, sometimes on a slow and extremely cold Sunday or Monday night it is the most sensible option... or at least it seems. Dont know why I keep finding freebies there either... but I have also had both great and awful times there as well.

My Own Again:

Tochka girls will do just about everything, but you'd be silly to go bareback with any pro.

Tochka:

Tochka reports have been better again lately, maybe our favorite hobby is showing some signs of revival?

Guido88
02-08-06, 21:34
Unfortunately Moscow seems to be moving towards the Fuck the foreigner’s mindset.

On my last trip it was nonstop, CF girls tried to get money up front, Militia hassles with no girls in the car, wait staff stealing money from a paid bill, Moscow Rick’s assistant scamming money, problems with escorts companies that had been reliable, on & on. This was completely different from prior trips.

A couple of simple of suggestions concerning safety issues with the working girls, Tochka, CF or any pro.

Watch your drink at all times. If at any time it has been unprotected get another. You may pay for a couple of extras at the bar or dirty a few more glasses in your apartment. So what?

Lock you apartment door always. The girls expect this; I have never had one complain or feel threatened. No girl is leaving until you say so anyway. Lock up your valuables with the key.

Don’t get so shitfaced drunk that you loose your ability to be aware of what’s going on. Our own Doc Skank operates best in this knee-walking drunk condition, most of the rest us do not.

Moscow can be an incredibly fun city, but is becoming more hazardous and extremely expensive. Might be time to look for other areas to monger in. Sounds as though CT may have found an interesting alternative in Odessa.

Guido88

One O Nine
02-09-06, 02:18
Russia Fan,

This depends. If you're looking for a brothel-type strip club, I'm afraid Oh La La is no worse than the rest. You do need to bring small change with you. By the way, you just gotta learn to say no to these women. No point in wasting your money on things you don't like. Think of it as hanging up on telemarketers. You do it all the time and you don't care if it hurts their feelings.

However, if you're looking for a less sex oriented place, where your chances of finding someone to have sex with are a bit less, and the sex, if you find it, is a bit more expensive, there are some good choices.

Firstly, there's Mister XXX. Nice and cozy, and the girls only come up to you if you ask them to. At least that's the way it was six months ago; I'm going back tonight.

Spearmint Rhino is actually the one place where you don't need small change. There's nothing going on at your table; all the dances are of the privat type, at 1000r for 2 or 3, depending on the day of the week. So you just need the 1000s, plus some smaller bills for the tips.

911 VIP is also a bit more laid back, although the girls may occasionally be pretty aggressive.

The Oh La La type of places though, Ishtar / Shandra, Safari Lodge, can be a pretty valuable resource as well. They're about the same thing as a tochka, if you're stuck alone late at night. Go there at 3 am and take a girl out for a couple of hours for sometimes even less than a tochka. For that they're all right. Just don't waste your time on lap dances and tips and so on. Keep waving them off until you find the girl you'd like to screw, then grab her and get out. That's the only way.

Stravinsky
02-09-06, 22:56
Guido,

Did you tell Rick about the problem with his assistant scamming money from you?

What was his reaction?

Guido88
02-10-06, 00:37
Strav

At the time I decided just to let the incident go and not worry about it, maybe I lost $125 or so. Since posting yesterday I have had another member contact me by PM regarding a theft that occurred that may have coincidentally involved the same assistant.

I believe that Rick is basically a good guy, honest and that he should be aware what occured. I plan to contact him and relay what has happened. I suggest the other member do the same.


Guido 88

Big Bro AJ
02-10-06, 12:14
Guido has already mentioned most of it but a few humble opinions.

Try not to use credit cards at bars, even in restaurants.

Carry only the necessary amount of cash in rubles and/or dollars; passport, return ticket and registration document. (Better not to carry wallet).

If you have fancy watch or valuables, keep them in safe when you go out.

Do not try to attract women with money. Hunter may turn into a hunt.

If you are going to an incall, prefer to go there at daytime. If possible first meet her somewhere else (coffee shop or bar). If you don’t like the apartment or feel insecure, leave the place. I prefer incalls. It’s too risky but I like the adrenaline and made love at her own bed.

Some said keep an eye on your drink or if it tastes different order another one. Yes, this is important but how many of us really do that.

The list and warnings may go on.

Remember, you are a stranger and foreigner. Girls and guys know what you are after and you have cash. Listen to your instincts, if you feel insecure or toxicated leave the place (her place) or make her leave from your room or apartment.

Doctor_Skank
02-10-06, 14:43
My comments on the safety issue.

Guido and Big Bro are right that we should remember that we are foreigners in a mildly xenophobic society with a ridiculous gap between rich and poor. Behaving as if Moscow (and its girls) are our own personal playthings may serve us well at times, however just because we say "nothings ever happened to me before", it doesnt mean we should let our guard down and avoid the necessary caution. It's also important to respect the girls.

I also believe however that the worst course of action is to become paranoid about the city.

Seems to me that CF/Boarhouse has a serious security problem that needs to be managed by us... don't expect CF management or its security to do anything. If they aren't actually somehow involved in the incidents they are at least impartial to them. CF is well-known as the lazy foreigners watering hole and whoring venue... I ought to know, I am lazy enough to go there entirely too often myself. Obviously news gets around that cash-happy foreigners go there, often get absolutely ripped (drunk) and are looking to score with either pros or some loose ladies. Occasionally normal or even exceptionally charming girls wind up there too, but generally speaking after midnight its skank city.... some great pros but a lot of average pros as well, and obviously a share of scheming wenches.

I will continue to go there because I have often had a great time... its a bit like McDonalds in that sense... it may not be great, but at least you always know what to expect.... and $100-200 will always get you laid.

"Unfortunately Moscow seems to be moving towards the Fuck the foreigner’s mindset. "

Marginally true in my opinion, but it seems that CF is the majority of that part of the problem. The rest of the city may not be foreigner-friendly, but they aren't looking to scam the foreigner either.

"Watch your drink at all times."

Very true. I do, even though it is admittedly hard to watch it all times. There are plenty of other interesting things to watch too.... :)

"Lock you apartment door always."

Absolutely.

"Don’t get so shitfaced drunk that you loose your ability to be aware of what’s going on. Our own Doc Skank operates best in this knee-walking drunk condition, most of the rest us do not."

I don't know if my condition should be described as knee-walking drunk, but alk will reduce not only your inhibitions, but also your cognitive skills, your perception and your judgement. Maintining poise and balance is the key. Alk is fun, but too much could very well ruin your evening. I try not to get that drunk too.... but sometimes fail. Thankfully I have been lucky. Knock on wood.

"Sounds as though CT may have found an interesting alternative in Odessa."

There are numerous alternatives, but there still is no 2nd Moscow. Love or hate it... my love for the city is eternal.

"Try not to use credit cards at bars, even in restaurants."

I wouldn't use a card at a bar, but at restaurants and ATMs I think it is OK... in any case for me, credit card use is sometimes a necessary evil. I carry a good deal of cash, but carrying too much cash is also a bad idea. Cash is just waiting to be spent, lost or stolen.

"Carry only the necessary amount of cash in rubles and/or dollars; passport, return ticket and registration document. (Better not to carry wallet). "

Hard to gauge what the necessary amount is... but generally correct. Don't bring your home mortgage and savings fund with you... :)

"If you have fancy watch or valuables, keep them in safe when you go out."

The fancy watch is a weapon that I prefer to use. It may attract attention, but I find the attention attracted to be positive. It isnt that every girl sees the watch and thinks "I want his money".. it just suggests success, and women like successful men. Winners.

"Do not try to attract women with money. Hunter may turn into a hunt."

Flashing too much cash and making your relative wealth the focal point of attack is indeed risky. At the very least you are going to meet only girls who see you as "a wallet". I also dont find flashing cash to be particularly effective in Moscow... or maybe I just haven't been flashing enough... :)

"If you are going to an incall, prefer to go there at daytime. If possible first meet her somewhere else (coffee shop or bar). If you don’t like the apartment or feel insecure, leave the place. I prefer incalls. It’s too risky but I like the adrenaline and made love at her own bed."

Searching for outcall apartments late at night is indeed asking for trouble.

"Some said keep an eye on your drink or if it tastes different order another one. Yes, this is important but how many of us really do that. "

Sometimes it is very impractical. Just used heightened caution.

"The list and warnings may go on."

Yes.... but let's keep things relative. Moscow has its risks, but it isnt as if the city is out to get you. You have to remain the hunter, always. Don't let the city... or it's girls, turn the tables on you.

I might just add that it is important to remember that especially pros, but also some normal girls, may mean the best... but when presented with an opportunity to take advantage of a situation and steal from a "rich" foreigner... they may not be able to resist the temptation. Try to avoid giving them these temptations.... i.e watch your cash and valuables.

Admittedly we all go overboard sometimes, but we should try to keep things in check. As for me, I think I'll go overboard again tonight.

One O Nine
02-10-06, 17:01
There's this great Russian cartoon hanging in my friend's office. A little boy steps onto the roadway, and an old hag pulls him back onto the sidewalk and begins to lecture him, pointing at a traffic light. As she's doing that, she gets hit by a truck.

I just wanted to remind everyone that we're in the business of getting drunk and visiting seedy places to pick up loose women. You just can't expect the same level of security and customer service you're used to at your local Nordstrom's.


By the way, back on topic, I went to Mister XXX last night, and it's still my favorite Moscow strip club. My only wish is that they had more girls, but that's only because I've been there too many times and know pretty much everybody. That can get pretty annoying. Still, they have actual stage shows which are great to watch, with costumes and choreography and lighting, and the place is very laid back and not at all aggressive. Just be wary of the 1,500 r drinks for the girls, which is the standard price for anything a dancer may order.

My own visit didn't go that great because this girl I just couldn't keep away from all summer was there, and she spent the entire two hours literally crying on my shoulder. The club apparently has some new management, and it was her turn to sleep with the new boss. I just can't handle that kind of realism. I couldn't send her off, was unable to strike up anything with a waitress with the most amazing ass, so I ended up going home with another dancer I've already done before. It was still good sex with a great looking woman, but just not enough adventure and too much drama for my taste. Your mileage will vary of course, since I don't suppose anyone else has this much baggage with that place.

[Edit] Oh, the moment of Zen. My post count is my user name. I should never post again.

Member #3207
02-10-06, 17:31
Has anyone traveled to Moscow for a long weekend from the US.

Would you recommend it.

Etaoin2003
02-11-06, 01:43
I just wanted to remind everyone that we're in the business of getting drunk and visiting seedy places to pick up loose women. You just can't expect the same level of security and customer service you're used to at your local Nordstrom's.


Here it is only February and already we may have the quote of the year! This should be tattooed on the back of our right hands.


Oh, the moment of Zen. My post count is my user name. I should never post again.

Quick! Buy a lottery ticket, the planets are in alignment.

Lover
02-11-06, 19:50
I just have a question?

NF is Night flight and what abbreviation CF means?

Thank you.

Lover

Moscow Wolf
02-11-06, 22:01
I just have a question?

NF is Night flight and what abbreviation CF means?

Thank you.

LoverChesterfield, also known as Doug & Marty's and Boar House.

CA Traveler
02-12-06, 01:55
M3207... sexplorer travels all over the world for long weekend trips.

Just a point on CF... I expect that the short timers attitude will soon develop if they are in fact closing on 31 March. They will not care what happens and will look to maximize revenue by any means.

Robie
02-12-06, 18:41
Hi all, I've never been in Moscow (just few times in Prague and Budapest) but would like to have a sex-weekend there, please, can someone of the Moscow-pro's give hints and reply to my questions, thx a lot.

- don't speak any word in Russki and can't read this cyrillic, are there any sex guides or brochures, articles in latin script?

- I watched some "prostitutiki" sites like http://www.putana.org/ - http://gosex.ru/enter.php and http://www.spbgirls.ru/ - (aaah, there are hotties there..) I cannot believe that all the pics are genuine and sure some are stolen, is there a trick how to check out? (yea, yea, I know.. knock on Ellis door..) Are the Russia girls really so hot they look like?

- Unfortunately there are nowhere email-contacts, only phone numb - do the girls speak english, german or even parla italiano - rofl?

- When you call the girls, who do you get on phone? Hopefully not the pimps or grandpa Zhukov, or worse - the husband.

Last but not least, I was thinking over to go to Bucarest or Moscow. Have anyone expirience to tell where the girls are better? I heard about that in Romania the girls are a bit "rude" - true?

Thank you guys, Robert

One O Nine
02-12-06, 20:09
There have been rumors of CF closing for how long now? Somehow I doubt it'll happen anytime soon. There's this jewelry store in the buidling I was born in. It's had a "going out of business, everything must go, 75% off" sign for as long as I remember. They replace it every summer when the letters begin to fade. Perfect business model to lure in the clueless out of towners.

At CF, sometimes you get fucked, and sometimes you get fucked.

Guido88
02-12-06, 22:39
in light of recent discussions.


police are warning all men who frequent clubs, parties & local pubs to be alert and stay cautious when offered a drink from any woman. many females use a date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drug on the market called "beer."

the drug is found in liquid form and is available anywhere. it comes in bottles, cans, or from taps and in large "kegs". beer is used by female sexual predators at parties and bars to persuade their male victims to go home and sleep with them.

a woman needs only to get a guy to consume a few units of beer and then simply ask him home for no strings attached sex.

men are rendered helpless against this approach. after several beers, men will often succumb to the desires to sleep with horrific looking women whom they would never normally be attracted.

after drinking beer, men often awaken with only hazy memories of exactly what happened to them the night before, often with just a vague feeling that "something bad" occurred.

at other times these unfortunate men are swindled out of their life's savings, in a familiar scam known as "a relationship."

in extreme cases, the female may even be shrewd enough to entrap the unsuspecting male into a longer term form of servitude and punishment referred to as "marriage." men are much more susceptible to this scam after beer is administered and sex is offered by the predatory females.

please! forward this warning to every male you know.

if you fall victim to this "beer" scam and the women administering it, there are male support groups where you can discuss the details of your shocking encounter with similarly victimized men.

for the support group nearest you, just look up golf courses" in the phone book.

beer demo for the horrors:
http://www.brackenspub.com/beer.swf


guido88

It Travel
02-13-06, 08:51
Dear Friends,

In last days I had to much work for writing on Valentina (or Margarita)…

Of course she is beautiful, but as already said she has a lot of birthmarks and saggy tits… but the best is the GFE experience which is fantastic. Sleeping and taking her in the morning!

All the expressions she has with her little teen face (she’s 22 now) are fantastic specially when you are nailing her anally in missionary position with her legs on your shoulder and you look deep in her brown eyes. WOW!

A couple of weeks ago I took her for three nights in a week!

See the pics in pics section.

By the way I’ll be in Moscow soon again (I have also a well known driver) and would like to know from more experts the best addresses or areas for winter tockas…

I’ll be there in the weekend March 18-20, somebody there for a beer?

IT

Helena Moscow
02-13-06, 15:49
Dear Friends,

In last days I had to much work for writing on Valentina (or Margarita)…

Of course she is beautiful, but as already said she has a lot of birthmarks and saggy tits… but the best is the GFE experience which is fantastic. Sleeping and taking her in the morning!

All the expressions she has with her little teen face (she’s 22 now) are fantastic specially when you are nailing her anally in missionary position with her legs on your shoulder and you look deep in her brown eyes. WOW!

A couple of weeks ago I took her for three nights in a week!

See the pics in pics section.

By the way I’ll be in Moscow soon again (I have also a well known driver) and would like to know from more experts the best addresses or areas for winter tockas…

I’ll be there in the weekend March 18-20, somebody there for a beer?

ITMan, may be it's not my business. But reading this forum I, as a woman, can't resist commenting such things as: "Of course she is beautiful, but as already said she has a lot of birthmarks and saggy tits…" And later you write that you spent with her wonderful time and bla-bla-bla.... Isn't it shame? A woman gave you perfect service and treated you like agentlemen. And you write these ugly things about her body, which is probably not so bad. Is this gentlemen-like? You could at least be grateful, because she could have been not so generous with you. You didn't deserve her, really.

Dinghy
02-13-06, 15:59
Ah - Guido - I rememebr the old saw - "I've never gone to bed with an ugly woman but I've woken up with a few" (also the "definition" of "beer goggles" - enough beer and even a sheep looks beutiful)

Helena Moscow
02-13-06, 17:42
Ah - Guido - I rememebr the old saw - "I've never gone to bed with an ugly woman but I've woken up with a few" (also the "definition" of "beer goggles" - enough beer and even a sheep looks beutiful)We say in Russia: "If you find a woman ugly probably you need more vodka".

It Travel
02-13-06, 20:33
Man, may be it's not my business. But reading this forum I, as a woman, can't resist commenting such things as: "Of course she is beautiful, but as already said she has a lot of birthmarks and saggy tits…" And later you write that you spent with her wonderful time and bla-bla-bla.... Isn't it shame? A woman gave you perfect service and treated you like agentlemen. And you write these ugly things about her body, which is probably not so bad. Is this gentlemen-like? You could at least be grateful, because she could have been not so generous with you. You didn't deserve her, really.

Of course she gave me a really beautiful GFE experience…

But the birthmarks are a fact, if you see the pics I posted this time and before she is never completely naked!

I don’t want to be unfair, I just want that men going for her services know exactly how it is: how she is! So she do not loose time, meetings and so on.

She is a wonderful girl, exactly as I am a wonderful guy! But my weight is 20 kg too much, sometime I’m to lazy to shave, I smoke cigars, I like vodka, etc. etc. (best of all I like Ikra!).

We were also to a bar together… no change, only 1.000 RUR notes, she paid! And forgot to ask me for the money, she got it in any case the morning after…


Do you think this is enough to answer you Helena?

IT

Helena Moscow
02-14-06, 00:11
Of course she gave me a really beautiful GFE experience…

But the birthmarks are a fact, if you see the pics I posted this time and before she is never completely naked!

I don’t want to be unfair, I just want that men going for her services know exactly how it is: how she is! So she do not loose time, meetings and so on.

She is a wonderful girl, exactly as I am a wonderful guy! But my weight is 20 kg too much, sometime I’m to lazy to shave, I smoke cigars, I like vodka, etc. etc. (best of all I like Ikra!).

We were also to a bar together… no change, only 1.000 RUR notes, she paid! And forgot to ask me for the money, she got it in any case the morning after…


Do you think this is enough to answer you Helena?

ITI think that you must still respect the girl who gave you good time. And at least not make her bad advertisement. Another man would probably not even notice these birthmarks, but now everybody will watch very carefully, because you bothered to point. Sure she would be extremely "happy" after such a detailed report. You think working girls have no feelings?

Bez Bezarra
02-14-06, 00:23
it's my business as a woman, And you a gentlemen? You be grateful, You didn't deserve her.

He doesn't deserve a prostitute? He should be grateful that she
will have sex with anyone who will pay her?

Maybe she is just good at her job, which happens to be sucking and
fucking. In every "business", there are those who are better at what
they do than others. Maybe your problem is that you're not?

Isn't it just good business to treat your customers the way they want
to be treated? Sure some customers are ass holes and don't
"deserve" to be treated well, but is this the example?

Stravinsky
02-14-06, 05:59
Елена дорогая,
Я не понимаю, почему ты так обидчивый?

This is not a lonely hearts club. This is an online forum for men to exchange information with each other for the purpose of meeting women for sex. Most of that is paid sex with prostitutes.

IT was simply doing his honor-bound duty as a member of the forum to be as accurate as possible in describing his experience with this girl. We would expect nothing less. Most guys are not impressed by saggy tits, so the fact that she has saggy tits is an important piece of information. If a man is going to pay for a woman, he wants the best possible quality for his money. This is the way men are. Does this surprise you? Does this offend you?

This is not a transaction between and gentleman and a lady. If you want a good romance about gentlemen and ladies, I would suggest Tolstoy or Turgenev. Checkov is also good.

It’s always interesting to hear a woman’s point of view and I think you are welcome here. But don’t presume to lecture us on our behaviour. After all, women are no better than men in this regard, in fact, they are typically much worse.

Rasman77
02-14-06, 14:56
Hi guys,

I've been reading this forum for some time now, but it's my first time writing in here.

I have been visiting Russia many times during the last 5 years, and I've have many good memories from this. Some of the best experiences have been with students in smaller russian towns, but also with totcka-girls in Moscow. I am going to Moscow again soon, and if any of you have experience with girls from omen.ru please let me now. There are some really hot ones on this site, but I am a little worried that it could be fake photoes, so now I'm wondering if I should stick to the totcka, or if I should try this omen.ru?

Helena Moscow
02-15-06, 01:43
He doesn't deserve a prostitute? He should be grateful that she
will have sex with anyone who will pay her?

Maybe she is just good at her job, which happens to be sucking and
fucking. In every "business", there are those who are better at what
they do than others. Maybe your problem is that you're not?

Isn't it just good business to treat your customers the way they want
to be treated? Sure some customers are ass holes and don't
"deserve" to be treated well, but is this the example?


"will have sex with anyone who will pay her?" - not with anyone, be sure. if she knew in advance that her personal secrets will be displayed on message board, she'd probably refuse.

"Maybe your problem is that you're not?" - we are not talking about how good or bad I am. Just about respect to people you deal with.

"He doesn't deserve a prostitute?" - what do you have about prostitutes? we offer useful service which is in demand. we don't kill or still. we honestly make our living. if you are here - it's only because you are interested in prostitutes and their service. because you probebly need it. and if a girl served you right and didn't put you clofelin in the bittle as it happened to one of the guys here, if she treated you nicely and didn't kick your ass away, than you can at least appreciate it. as well as any other good quality service.

"Isn't it just good business to treat your customers the way they want
to be treated?" - It's another subject. Client is not always right, I guess, you know it. But still we treat them nicely and not give away personal detailes. It's not even the question of business, but the decency. Something which probably must be learned in the childhood. One can't give away personal detailes, it's not normal if a man after a wonderful night writes every little detail on forum. How would you treat if we, girls, would do to you the same?

Helena Moscow
02-15-06, 01:49
Елена дорогая,
Я не понимаю, почему ты так обидчивый?

This is not a lonely hearts club. This is an online forum for men to exchange information with each other for the purpose of meeting women for sex. Most of that is paid sex with prostitutes.

IT was simply doing his honor-bound duty as a member of the forum to be as accurate as possible in describing his experience with this girl. We would expect nothing less. Most guys are not impressed by saggy tits, so the fact that she has saggy tits is an important piece of information. If a man is going to pay for a woman, he wants the best possible quality for his money. This is the way men are. Does this surprise you? Does this offend you?

This is not a transaction between and gentleman and a lady. If you want a good romance about gentlemen and ladies, I would suggest Tolstoy or Turgenev. Checkov is also good.

It’s always interesting to hear a woman’s point of view and I think you are welcome here. But don’t presume to lecture us on our behaviour. After all, women are no better than men in this regard, in fact, they are typically much worse.

"Елена дорогая,
Я не понимаю, почему ты так обидчивый?" - это не обо мне, ты не заметил? речь идет о другой девушке. и я считаю, что мужчина поступил подло, сделав ей плохую рекламу после того, как воспользовался ее хорошей услугой. вот и всё.

One O Nine
02-15-06, 06:43
Oh, go get a room you two.

Last night I met up with this girl I first met two years ago at CF. For about a year now she's been doing the sponsorship route, and as I fear somebody else may know her on here I'll keep the personal details scant. When I last met her last August, most of her friends still worked at CF. There was this loose band of about 10 girls who I networked with through my friend. A couple switched over to NF last year, but the last I heard, most still worked CF and bitched at it incessantly.

Well, last night I found out that none of those girls, and most of the girls they know, have worked at CF for at least two-three months. The word out on the street is, CF has turned to shit for working girls, and all the decent ones are looking for other options. The client just doesn't go there no more, it's all drunken Russians and poor foreign exchange students, and the security is ripping the girls off and charging them increasingly higher fees, often even when a girl leaves by herself. Supposedly foreign clients are pretty rare nowadays, but a lot of Russians began treating CF as basically an indoor tochka. The girls routinely get mistreated or ripped off.

Now, the worst news is, the girls just can't find another outlet. Few can make it at NF. They tried the internet for a while, and found it sucky. Most have regular dayjobs now, occasionally falling back on an old comrade in arms like myself. This one really striking brunette who does awesome deep throat now works as a secretary making $400 / month. A very sweet half-Korean girl waits tables at a Chinese restaurant. The girls are all really pissed off, and so am I. What's this world coming to, when a beautiful Russian girl can't find a nice tourist to sell her body to?

Big Bro AJ
02-15-06, 08:03
Helena Moscow and Victoria 2005, you are the wild roses of our forum.

To all, please no need to offend or harshly criticise each other’s with everlasting comments.

Let's back to real problems...

CF is going down in all means and NF is too expensive ( I enjoyed every second with the NF girls but don’t want to pay senseless amounts of greens at all).

I like CF(sin house) because, I don’t get food poisoning, they don’t add water to drinks, have chance to win in roulette (won 20,000 and black angel took all of it, but manage to make another 6.000), decent expats and foreigner mongers are the main customers and obliviously meet attractive women in reasonable prices.

109 is right, where do we find naughty/attractive/talented girls in reasonable prices($150-250) and a spot like CF?

Maslitio
02-15-06, 11:01
Is it confirmed that CF is closing at the end of March?

Those okhraniki there are jerks, they always try to extort money out of you when you show up slightly drunk.

I've heard that the 'security fee' for girls has went up from 500 to 1000 rubles.

I was there the other day at around 5 in the mourning and some girl wanted 300 dollars 'do ytrom.' 300 dollars until morning, in what, 45 minutes. Damn petrodollars!


It is not a big suprise why that place is going under. It was really nice for a while.

D Zanten
02-15-06, 13:53
Hi,

For people who are interested in younger girls I can give information about a club called 'Sashenka' in Moscow.

If any of you has experience with this club or similar clubs, who offer the same exclusive girls, I would like to exchange some ideas/information.

Greetings,

Daniel

Stravinsky
02-15-06, 17:20
Елена дорогая,

Of course you are upset by IT’s post. Your purpose here, is to promote yourself and your "services", such as they may be. Maybe someday, someone will write about you, truthfully and honestly, and you are afraid it will not be such a “good advertisement”.

You criticize IT for being "mean". I think his report was very kind. He made it clear that Valentina treated him very well. His description of her was honest, no more, no less.

Who knows, there may be some guy out there who is looking for a sweet young Russki dyev who will treat him well and is not so concerned about her sagging tits. If there is, then IT has done Valentina a favor by describing her so well.

That’s how it’s supposed to work.

между прочим, ваш сайт не работает хорошо, должно ремонт

Moscow Wolf
02-15-06, 18:27
...

Now, the worst news is, the girls just can't find another outlet. Few can make it at NF. They tried the internet for a while, and found it sucky. Most have regular dayjobs now, occasionally falling back on an old comrade in arms like myself. This one really striking brunette who does awesome deep throat now works as a secretary making $400 / month. A very sweet half-Korean girl waits tables at a Chinese restaurant. The girls are all really pissed off, and so am I. What's this world coming to, when a beautiful Russian girl can't find a nice tourist to sell her body to?Why don't we guys here just select a place and spread the word? (devilish grin).

Wopper1
02-15-06, 22:09
Moscow is the city where everything is possible. Just go to "The Boar House" where you can find on a weekly night over a 100 girls. cost: approx 100 - 150 Euro

If you are more lucky someone takes you to a nice bar / restaurant where you can EASILY contact the locals.

Cost: 5 euro (for the taxi the next morning)

BEST ADVICE: when going to one of the bars take the free magazin which describes all places to visit, including prices, scoring % etc. etc. Ask any foreigner for more info.

I will be back in 4 weeks and I will visit "the Fabric" Disco style, loaded with woman...

GandJim
02-15-06, 23:24
Changing subject.... :D

I just had a look at GermanWings, and they are flying Koln-Moscow Vnukovo for 50 euros single trip (100 euros return) in September, and 36 euros single trip (72 euros return) in November.

I've often used GermanWings, excellent low cost airline and, judging from the photos (http://www35.germanwings.com/en/fluginfos_moskau.html), Vnukovo airport looks quite decent.

Doctor_Skank
02-16-06, 08:32
Thanks GJ for the link.

GermanWings is a good cheap option, but to get the cheap flights you must book at least 3 weeks in advance to get the best rates. As the departure day nears the prices go up to 100-200€ one-way. Still, this is the cheapest option I was able to find as well at 50-70€ one-way with advance booking. Flying to Vnukovo has no significant disadvantage from what I can tell.

Other cheap options I know of are:

Germania Express-this is essentially deutsche BA and flies from Duesseldorf to Domodedovo for 126 € + each way depending on which time you book. Nice modern planes.
www.gexx.de

S7- they also fly out of Duesseldorf and their fares run about 200-300€ round trip. I've flown them too, nice airline with modern planes. They also fly to Siberia.
www.s7.ru

Aeroflot - If you book in time it is still quite affordable at about 330 € round trip.
www.aeroflot.ru

Regarding airports I find Sheremetyevo to be the most convenient to get to, but Domodedovo is definitely the nicest and friendliest. They actually have decent cafes, have internet and wifi, have some shopping and it is generally clean and nice. We all know what a humourless dump Sheremetyevo is, especially after you pass passport control there is nothing to do there but sit and wait and maybe drink a beer at the Irish Pub.

Vnukovo is nothing special, but if saving €s is a priority, then flying to Vnukovo is your best bet, at least in terms of German-based flights.

It Travel
02-16-06, 09:02
Hi guys,

I've been reading this forum for some time now, but it's my first time writing in here.

I have been visiting Russia many times during the last 5 years, and I've have many good memories from this. Some of the best experiences have been with students in smaller russian towns, but also with totcka-girls in Moscow. I am going to Moscow again soon, and if any of you have experience with girls from omen.ru please let me now. There are some really hot ones on this site, but I am a little worried that it could be fake photoes, so now I'm wondering if I should stick to the totcka, or if I should try this omen.ru?

Dear Friend

I used omen.ru trying to find a mistress for a weekly fee...

I found Inna (fake name and pic) see my report at:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=431553&postcount=3257

In any case she was a beautiful and well bodied and 19teen!

The only froblem was: sex only in the afternoon and 500 USD for the first shot, now she is still on omen so perhaps she did not found what she was out for... Of course the pic was fake, she was even better by person. The type was that: slim, dark eyes and hair etc. (If you want to try... ICQ her and propose a meeting in a central restaurant near Metro, she hates to walk and hates the cold too).

I have seen there are a lot of girls accepting sponsorship (!) for one day around 6-9.000 RUR, or even more.

If you go for some let me know. I'll be in Russia from March 18th so I would like to take some of these girls to hotel, particularly:

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=621065 (no ICQ ot tel)
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=613758 (ICQ)
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=597603 (no ICQ or tel)
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=620454 (ICQ but I got her phone too)
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=619641 (ICQ)
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=603320 (ICQ)
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=595912 (ICQ)

The problem is that usually most of this girls speak Russian only and they want a long term Sponsorship, but some will accept 1 or 2 weeks or even nights.

if Inna (se the report) had accepted nights I think that for 45.000 RUR a month (on ground I was staying 9 days) I could have got her for 35.000 for a week. It is not bad havine a beautiful teen in your bed!

So if you feel just try.

Mind that the most pro pics are surely fake or photoshopped. The most naive ones are normally real.

IT

It Travel
02-16-06, 09:20
Thanks GJ for the link.

GermanWings is a good cheap option, but to get the cheap flights you must book at least 3 weeks in advance to get the best rates. As the departure day nears the prices go up to 100-200€ one-way. Still, this is the cheapest option I was able to find as well at 50-70€ one-way with advance booking. Flying to Vnukovo has no significant disadvantage from what I can tell.

Other cheap options I know of are:

Germania Express-this is essentially deutsche BA and flies from Duesseldorf to Domodedovo for 126 € + each way depending on which time you book. Nice modern planes.
www.gexx.de

S7- they also fly out of Duesseldorf and their fares run about 200-300€ round trip. I've flown them too, nice airline with modern planes. They also fly to Siberia.
www.s7.ru

Aeroflot - If you book in time it is still quite affordable at about 330 € round trip.
www.aeroflot.ru

Regarding airports I find Sheremetyevo to be the most convenient to get to, but Domodedovo is definitely the nicest and friendliest. They actually have decent cafes, have internet and wifi, have some shopping and it is generally clean and nice. We all know what a humourless dump Sheremetyevo is, especially after you pass passport control there is nothing to do there but sit and wait and maybe drink a beer at the Irish Pub.

Vnukovo is nothing special, but if saving €s is a priority, then flying to Vnukovo is your best bet, at least in terms of German-based flights.

On ground I'm flying very much I always prefer to go with bigger companies like Lufthansa or Austrian where you can get flights (booked and paid well before) for under 300-350 €.

I mean not from Germany, but from another European Country with a change in Frankfurt, ***ich or Vienna.

By the way the flight I'm buying from my Country to Vienna is 290 € with Austrian go to the site www.austrian.com or www.lufthansa.com. (safe you can buy with your CC and get an etix: electronic ticket).

The same is even for www.klm.com and www.airfrance.com where it is a little more expencive, around 350-450 €.

Of course all the prices are with all taxes and fees included (low cost have ususally hidden charges like 10 € fot ticket etc.)

IT

Bez Bezarra
02-16-06, 13:17
Can anyone figure out the Lufthansa schedule or prices
for r/t between Frankfurt and Gorky? The damn web site
is a total pain in the ass.

Bez Bezarra
02-16-06, 13:33
Well, none of those girls work at CF for at least two-three months decent ones are looking for other options. The client just doesn't go there no more, basically an indoor tochka. The girls routinely get mistreated or ripped off.
What's this world coming to, when a beautiful Russian girl can't find a nice tourist to sell her body to?

If the going tochka prices are $150 to $200, and CF is now an indoor line-up,
then why aren't they getting paid? Is it because the $150-$200 price is
only the tourist price? Wasn't that already the CF price? And if they're so beautiful, then why can't they go to NF?

Actually, that's a question i meant to aks for a long time.
In the tochkas, are there always different prices for locals and tourists?

When the mamachka has the polizi waiting around the corner, is that
only for tourists as well, or do they work that scam on locals too?

Da Loader
02-16-06, 14:08
Can anyone figure out the Lufthansa schedule or prices
for r/t between Frankfurt and Gorky? The damn web site is a total pain in the ass.Hi Bez,

as far as I know, Gorky is Nizhniy Novgorod. Here is what Lufthansa provides so far, prices are in/out flight:

Economy Saver Changes and refund not permitted. € 312
Economy Basic Changes are permitted against a charge. Refund not permitted. € 580
Economy Flex Flexible and refundable. € 1684

Eco saver just available limited and needs to have a weekend stay included.

Frankfurt NN: Wed, Frid, and Monday 18:30 to 00:05 + 1day (all local time)
NN to Frankfurt: Thu, Sat and Tue 05:50 to 07:30

GandJim
02-16-06, 15:28
GermanWings is a good cheap option, but to get the cheap flights you must book at least 3 weeks in advance to get the best rates.
You're absolutely right, and I wouldn't say 3 weeks in advance, but rather 6 months! :D That's why I mentionned Sept and Nov. GermanWings has the additional advantages of very cheap prices from other cities in Europe to Koln, like 9 euro single trip from Nice, South of France (nearest airport for where I live). I used to fly to Prague with them for 50 euros Nice-Koln-Prague and return. For Moscow, it will be 100-120 euros return. I have to book pretty long in advance but I tell myself that, in the worse case where I have to cancel or change my flights, I won't lose that much money (thanks God, it never happened so far).

I already know about Germania Express, but never heard about S7. Great, another option. Thanks for the information, that's what a forum is all about, isn't it? ;)


The same is even for www.klm.com and www.airfrance.com where it is a little more expencive, around 350-450 €.

I'm living in France and belong to that category of "cocorico" guys who think that everything French is better. Even though, Air France is the worse airline I've ever use. I have tons of personal horror stories about Air France, but it would be pretty off-topic. Just one word from a guy who thinks everything "made in France" is better: Stay away from Air France.

I'm flying Lufthansa mainly too, in particular for business trips, but what I wanted to point out is that there are occasionally some cheap options popping up, worth catching. Even with GermanWings, offer for a 36 euros ticket to Moscow don't happen often, it's a special offer and it's available only for a few days. Those interested must act quick.

Jim

Helena Moscow
02-16-06, 17:00
If the going tochka prices are $150 to $200, and CF is now an indoor line-up,
then why aren't they getting paid? Is it because the $150-$200 price is
only the tourist price? Wasn't that already the CF price? And if they're so beautiful, then why can't they go to NF?

Actually, that's a question i meant to aks for a long time.
In the tochkas, are there always different prices for locals and tourists?

When the mamachka has the polizi waiting around the corner, is that
only for tourists as well, or do they work that scam on locals too?


"And if they're so beautiful, then why can't they go to NF? " - That's not just the question of beauty. I used to work in NF for 3 years and business was good. But then unexpectedly security stopped let me in, as well as some other girls who used to go for a long time. The reason why was never explained. And some girls, beautiful, my friends, were never even admitted there. Club management somehow desides who is allowed to come and who is not. And noone understands the reasons. But I'm still in contact with some of NF girls and they also complain that now business goes worse than before and that men are becoming greedy and rude. Sometimes buseness goes down, and sometimes up. It happened many times before and there is nothing special about it.

Helena Moscow
02-16-06, 17:17
Changing subject.... :D

I just had a look at GermanWings, and they are flying Koln-Moscow Vnukovo for 50 euros single trip (100 euros return) in September, and 36 euros single trip (72 euros return) in November.

I've often used GermanWings, excellent low cost airline and, judging from the photos (http://www35.germanwings.com/en/fluginfos_moskau.html), Vnukovo airport looks quite decent.


Hi.
Did you happen to buy tickets from them? They advertise a lot and ones I also wanted to buy their ticket, but when came on the site, the prices were different from those pointed in adverticement. And I didn't find the phone number and adress in Moscow. Do they have an office or work by internet only?
If someone had any experience with this company, please, whright. Thanks.

Excess
02-16-06, 17:34
Well there you have it gentlemen, we should be ashamed of ourselves: "... men are becoming greedy and rude....."

We must try harder in the future, as I hope in my own case it is only a temporary lapse.

Helena,

I have flown Germanwings a number of times and cities and have been very satisfied with them as per GJ's post - not to/from Moscow though I would add. Very good planes and on-time record when I've flown them.

Your comment on the pricing is correct. The prices are not fixed and fluctuate depending upon ticket demand and length of time before before departure time. You will also find that the price of the ticket can be different on the same day - the more activity for a given flight/date the higher the price or lower in the case of low demand. That's how it works. If you book a flight several months ahead, it can be very very cheap. Internet is the way they use to book tickets. Also take note of the cancellation and change rules that can be very strict.

One O Nine
02-16-06, 17:50
If the going tochka prices are $150 to $200, and CF is now an indoor line-up,
then why aren't they getting paid? Is it because the $150-$200 price is
only the tourist price? Wasn't that already the CF price? And if they're so beautiful, then why can't they go to NF?

Well, first of all these girls don't want to be taken out by the tochka clientelle. The tochka-going Russians can be rough. This one girl was forced by some old guy to stay at his apt for 2 days and do his dishes and his laundry, and then he threw her out without paying. Another pair of girls was taken out by a decent-looking fellow, who took them out to the 'burbs and gave them as a treat to the crew of Tajiks fixing up his place. 7 Tajiks, 2 girls, $150 minus 700r to security each. Great deal, huh? There's a reason not everyone works tochkas you know. These stories add-up, the girls become scared to go with Russians, foreigners are scarce, etc - you get the idea.

And making it at NF isn't that easy. Going in there as a working girl is different from going there as a client. Helena touched on that a little bit already, but basically security selects who can go in and who can't. A lot more girls want to work at NF than actually get to. Security keeps it what it is.

Basically, I'm not sure what you're trying to imply about my friends, but do you honestly think that they'd give up a nice income so easily and switch to crummy day jobs? They're all decent looking, but mostly in a homely girl-next-door way, not the dolled-up NF type of thing. Most of them speak very basic English.

In short, I'm sure you know that NF and CF are very different places. Not everyone who can make it at CF will make it at NF, and vice versa. That's elementary, Watson.


Actually, that's a question i meant to aks for a long time.
In the tochkas, are there always different prices for locals and tourists?

When the mamachka has the polizi waiting around the corner, is that
only for tourists as well, or do they work that scam on locals too?

Tochkas are a purely Russian resource; foreigners are a rare exception. Tochka pimps make so much money off the locals, and so little off the tourists, they don't need to bother making up additional policies for foreigners. Those cops waiting around the corner would die of starvation if they spent their nights waiting for you.

It's a friggin fast food joint. You get in, they tell you the price categories, you pick one, they line them up. They got no reason to sit there and scheme and come up with different line ups and different price structures based on where their clients are from. They want you to get in, get the broad, and get out. If you make it there late night when the selection is crummy, you'll get a discount just like anybody else. If you make it on a busy night at prime time, you may get charged 9,000 for a girl who'll go for 6,500 two hours later. That's got nothing to do with the color of your passport.

CharlieH
02-16-06, 18:33
I was told by a girl at NF that NF management only allows girls that have documents to work there. Most tochka girls don't have documents therefore can't work there. I can't however comment on that NF girls being higher quality. I wasn't impressed by their looks. I find them to bit a little on the mature/older side.

She also told me that NF management prefers foreign clientile over Russians as Russian men tend to be rough and might get drunk and cause trouble at the club.

One O Nine
02-16-06, 18:54
oh, and i forgot why i came here for. sheesh.

there's this strip club gryozy, which is one of the moscow's oldest; it recently reopened after being renovated for about a year.

to cut the long story short, stay away.

and if anyone wants the long story, here it is. the place is right next to the metro novoslobodskaya. the entrance is kind of crummy looking, little steps down. huge tacky sign with glittering lights above it. the ohrana look like they're about to mug you, then murder you and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) your dead body. as you walk into the place, you realize why the ohrana is so gloomy. they're the thin unshaved line between this world and the next. the place is overrun by nightmarish ghouls from the underworld.

the apparitions unsuccessfully try to pass themselves for human females; however they can be easily distinguished by horrible scars and foul smell. i wish i was kidding. just like at the horrible, yet infinitely better, safari lodge, the girls immediately proposition you for sex upon approaching. they can be had on the premises for an absolute bargain of $300, plus ? (i forget) thousand roubles for the room. that's per hour.

the club inexplicably presents itself as a high-class elite club, trying to compete with the likes of bely medved and dolls. however you can find better looking women at a tochka at 6:15 am on a tuesday night.

oh, and i completely forgot. the drinks are excessively expensive. i don't know if i got overcharged or whatever, i don't really care, but two rounds of a few drops of jack daniels on piles of ice, i paid 3,000 something roubles, plus "tip", i.e. 4,000 r. and when i gave some goblin a 100 r note just to get rid of her, she looked at me funny and said "that's all?"

uggh. i need to repress the memory of that place, fast. if anyone wants to join me at 911 vip for drinks tonight on my last night in moscow, i'll be the dashing young gentleman in a suit surrounded by sluts.

GandJim
02-16-06, 20:08
Hi.
Did you happen to buy tickets from them? They advertise a lot and ones I also wanted to buy their ticket, but when came on the site, the prices were different from those pointed in adverticement. And I didn't find the phone number and adress in Moscow. Do they have an office or work by internet only?
Price changes daily and depends on which day you want to fly. The closer the date, the more expensive it is. Therefore, you need to book pretty much in advance, and that's why I mentionned flight for Sept-Nov in my post.

I attach a screen cap for price for November (36 euros one way). Very tempted to make a booking for Nov 15-20. Would you be in Moscow at these dates by any chance? :D

For buying tickets, you can do it by internet (best way), by phone (international number) or by going to the airport. For more details click here (http://www21.germanwings.com/en/meta_hilfe_wie_kann_ich_buchen__.html).

Doctor_Skank
02-16-06, 21:08
I meet up with 109 at some nameless cocktail bar, the kind of glam place where beer costs $9 and a mojito $15… admittedly a nice place, but also the kind of place that shoots very large holes in your mongering budget within a few hours. Call it Club 88.

We notice that we are both wearing the same uniform, something that can best be described as a more than casual drinkers battle smock. We laugh at our impromptu team coordination and proceed on our mission to throw caution to the wind and defy nearly every rule of safe conduct recently established in the ISG forum… expensive watches, flashing cash and club cards, speaking English, hitting on every chick within range, getting tanked quickly and effectively.

A few cocktails and beers and about $150 later, we are successfully tanked and while some blond is forcing 109 to note her telephone number, I am chatting up a sweet Jewish-looking girl…. I seem to be getting somewhere and she is hanging around interested, but I am reasonably sure that she is not a possible one night stand… seems just too sweet and is being guarded by two girlfriends, both of which are quite attractive and well-dressed. Almost every girl is well-dressed at the bar, suggesting they are either gainfully employed somewhere as secretaries, mid-level managers or accountants, sponsored or somehow on the take. At least 1 NF pro is spotted by eagle-eyed 109. She indeed looks very whorish and a bit used up.

I order a last round of drinks and a very hot blonde standing with a well-dressed English guy chats me up. We make idle useless conversation and I blow her off… she seems a bit taken back. Guess she’s not used to getting blown off, but frankly Masha, I don’t give a damn.

I get the Jewish girls number and give her a kiss as we leave to get our coats, chatting up two other hotties on the way out, tempting them with a trip to a club, but they are headed home.

Mission successful I suppose, but what is a Jewish girl’s phone number worth?

Before leaving we run through the options audibly as the girls we had chatted up before listen in.

Skazka, the new in club where Minesterstevo (sp.) used to be, Slava, the distant large club frequented by easy chicks on Shosse Entusiastov, perennial favorite First, the lazy man’s option Karma Bar or Club XIII… the girls seem impressed with our club knowledge and maybe we should have invited them somewhere, but we are interested in finding new girls to grovel and slobber on.

We go outside to brave the –20° cold, stopping to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) as we watch the Hummer2s, 7 series BMWs, S-class Mercedes and Prado LandCruisers drive by… this town has too much fucking money.

PZ is within walking distance and we decide to go there, which turns out to be a good choice. We stroll past PZ’s unpredictable feis control and check our coats, heading upstairs to the club. Instantly we realize it’s a good choice. Although small and maybe even a bit dumpy, PZ is a good place to meet regular Russians and especially a great place to meet chicks getting really drunk. Finding a sober chick in PZ, although presumably possible, is difficult. Not that we were looking.

We buy a couple of drinks for some girls at the bar and then forget them as quickly as we feel our mojo moving in. 109 goes to the john and chats up some chicks waiting in line and beckons me to join them at their table where he is now seated. I am eyeing two attractive blondes talking to two English guys and they intermittently look back. I don’t know why, but today I am feeling destructive. I feel great and happy, but somehow feel like the Cleaner from Luc Besson’s classic film La Femme Nikita… like the guy called in to either clean up a messy situation or if necessary, be the one making the mess.

I join 109 at his table where he is sitting with a German guy and two girls. One of the girls is really cute, a dark-haired girl from Tomsk. Instantly the Tomsk girl and I are getting along great and she is giving me great vibes. I am more than chatty and doing a good job of moving in on her when she cautions me that she is actually together with the German guy. Undaunted as I realize that she is much more interested in me than him, I cautiously ask for her number. She says she will give it to me, but the German should not see it. What a *****, passing out her number to strangers when she is with somebody else. And me, frankly I am being an asshole tonight. It’s really not my style to move in on some other guy’s clam, but tonight I know no shame.

She leaves the table briefly and 109 follows her, getting her number for me. Thanks mate. I also write my number down and slip it to her later. The German guy is at least somewhat aware of what’s going on and seems to fall into some sort of depressed trance. If I were him I’d fight for my chick, but he doesn’t. He’s a nice guy and I feel a bit sorry for him, so I decide to lay off his chick. She actually told me she doesn’t like him much, but he is very kind so she cannot leave with me today, but will meet me tomorrow. 109 and I move on to other prey, the Tomsk girl squeezing my hand as I stand up. As we leave, the German guy suddenly cheers up and is happy again.

I go to the toilet and while waiting in line I see the two blondes who were with the English guys waiting in line as well. I talk to the one closest to me, telling her that 109 and I are the much better choice, we are incredibly rich sex maniacs. The blondes are very amused and we enjoy some fun conversation. I don’t push the issue as I KNOW the English guys wouldn’t just surrender and would probably try to kick my ass if they knew what I was doing… so I defuse that situation by adding some more humour to the mix and wishing the blondes a fun night… the way things were headed I am sure the English lads got exactly what they were looking for that night.

109 and I acquire new targets nearly instantly… two girls are standing next to the dance floor and we buy them Jack and Coke. After a brief chat-up, 109 decides to head to a strip club for his nightly fix and I consider that option too, but decide to pursue my prey, and the curly haired brunette, only average attractive but with a skinny body, drags me to the dance floor. We dance and eventually end up on the stage where I am now dancing on show, gyrating to the beat and having a blast… the girls love it and join me. Things get cloudy memory wise at some point and I remember both standing on the dance floor and pointing at girls while wailing Ricky Martin’s “She bangs, she bangs!” and then making out with the brunette in the hallway that leads outside, my hand creeping up her shirt for a grab of tit. I tell her “po-idyom” and we go to get our coats. At this point I am already checking the timeclock to put in my nightly shift of sexual service when suddenly something vaguely resembling the dyev union foreman, or some sort of wannabe KGB political officer shows up… her girlfriend.

Taking a look at her girlfriend’s grumpy face, I realise that my night is suddenly threatened and that I have an acute logistical problem. As we walk to the taxi I try to get them both back to the pad in my patented 2-for-1 option and while the brunette tugs on me and gives me a somewhat confused look and tries to kiss me, her girlfriend tugs her away, argues with her a bit and they both scurry off to a taxi and take off without even looking back, leaving me standing there on the sidewalk.

Curiously, I am only mildly disappointed and this is certainly not the first time I have gotten the last second rejection. I laugh under my breath, mutter “suki” and the taxi driver standing next to me laughs too, giving me a sympathetic shrug of the shoulders.

I decide to walk off my drink a bit and instead of taking a car, walk 5 minutes to the American Bar and Grill on Mayakovskaya, ordering a 4am plate of nachos and water. Honestly, at that moment a plate of nachos and a liter of water were BETTER THAN SEX! I walk the last 10 minutes home, stopping at a 24 hour kiosk to get juice, water and beer. I struggle home and before passing out, check to make sure I still have my passport, cash, both phones, watch and both kidneys. Vsyo normalna. Despite the odds, another wild Moscow night survived.

Helena Moscow
02-16-06, 21:11
Price changes daily and depends on which day you want to fly. The closer the date, the more expensive it is. Therefore, you need to book pretty much in advance, and that's why I mentionned flight for Sept-Nov in my post.

I attach a screen cap for price for November (36 euros one way). Very tempted to make a booking for Nov 15-20. Would you be in Moscow at these dates by any chance? :D

For buying tickets, you can do it by internet (best way), by phone (international number) or by going to the airport. For more details click here (http://www21.germanwings.com/en/meta_hilfe_wie_kann_ich_buchen__.html).


Thanks, now it's getting more clear.
"Would you be in Moscow at these dates by any chance? :D" - Probably =)) Keep in touch =)

Helena Moscow
02-16-06, 21:15
Well there you have it gentlemen, we should be ashamed of ourselves: "... men are becoming greedy and rude....."

We must try harder in the future, as I hope in my own case it is only a temporary lapse.

Helena,

I have flown Germanwings a number of times and cities and have been very satisfied with them as per GJ's post - not to/from Moscow though I would add. Very good planes and on-time record when I've flown them.

Your comment on the pricing is correct. The prices are not fixed and fluctuate depending upon ticket demand and length of time before before departure time. You will also find that the price of the ticket can be different on the same day - the more activity for a given flight/date the higher the price or lower in the case of low demand. That's how it works. If you book a flight several months ahead, it can be very very cheap. Internet is the way they use to book tickets. Also take note of the cancellation and change rules that can be very strict.


Thank you, so Germanwings are trustworthy. Good news :)

Bez Bezarra
02-17-06, 03:26
Well, these girls out by the tochka can be rough.

one girl was forced to do dishes and laundry, no paying.

cops die of starvation waiting.

It's fast food.

This place is a god damn fucking paradise!!

Big Bro AJ
02-17-06, 16:28
I saw her ad again.

If you are MILF hunter…You should hunt her down… She is the most beautiful and shapely mature women, I have ever met in Moscow. (Over all I met 4 mature women; she is even better than many young ones.)

She uses couple of names (keep the real name for myself)… http://www.znakomstva.nu/show.php?id=1140186584&pn=1

I met her in July. ONE OF THE BBBEEESSSTTT nights ever. She is absolutely much better than her pics. Smoking weed and two bottles of Chilean wine made us hornier. Her incall is in a secure neighborhood, close to one of the Latin American country’s consulates. She likes toys and threesome, she has lots of toys. If you’re a Greek lover, than you’re not gone regret to meet her.

She was in South Africa in my last visit(last month), looking forward to see her again in next time.

One O Nine
02-17-06, 17:18
i got home from work dead tired last night, and almost decided to call it a night and just crash. however, this being my last night in moscow this trip, i just couldn't relax. a pile of roubles i had left was burning a hole through my pocket. i had to go out.

i started the night at 911 vip at around 11. the selection wasn't the best i've seen there, and there were way too many clients. it literally took 20 minutes for me to say hello to my first stripper. they were all stuck in the circuit. the girls were 7s at best, and actually the hottest girls in the club were waitresses.

by around midnight the club emptied out a bit, and i began to receive some attention. this really hot tall platinum blonde, stage name shakira, sat at my table and we had a nice chat. she did a couple of private dances for me, and while they were a little wooden she was just incredibly hot and i really enjoyed myself.

closer to 1 am i began to see some new talent. not sure if it was a new shift coming in, or the hot girls were done with their sex room clients, but a couple more 8s and 9s began roaming about. then the entire staff got naked and got up on the stage. seeing about 20 naked chicks writhing about in front of you is the sight to behold, especially when they're elevated and you're sitting low. the view is spectacular. the parade was immediately followed by a slow dance, with the girls picking their partners, and still dancing naked. i realized i was way too drunk at that point and i could barely stand, but my blond friend was being very kind, and pretended she actually enjoed it.

and then was my turn to leave. the girl was expecting me to take her home, and was pretty offended that i didn't. i almost regretted it too, but i had other plans, and they worked perfectly.

a short walk down the street was night flight. i hadn't been there once this entire trip, and it's been a while since i had a threesome, so i was going to kill two birds with one stone.

at 1:30 am on a thursday night nf was the busiest i think i've ever seen. mostly men. girl selection was quite poor. i think i saw no more than two girls i could rate at a 7, and absolutely no one above it. i withstood a human wave attack of desperate skanks in need of collagen refills, and then this pro i've already had once before came up and did a perfect sales pitch. (maria from this report: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=355146&postcount=2455) i told her i was looking for two girls, she quickly produced a friend, and i figured this wasn't getting any better and said ok.

maria was better looking of the two. she's much older than the girls i usually go for. she said she was 31 and might have been; russian women seem to age differently, i was amazed to find out just two days ago that this girl at my office i assumed was in her early 40s was only 33. maria had a knack for over-the-top compliments that kind of turned me off, but she was generally very nice. her friend whose name escapes me would have been all right if she hadn't joined the collaged brigade. she looked to be about the same age as maria, had a nice rack, long legs, and long straight black hair. they were $400 each. i'm sure i could have bargained, but i was in a generous mood.

we got to my place, had some drinks, and then told the girls to take whatever they wanted from my fridge, as i was leaving the next day and didn't need anything. i had several unopened bottle of booze: nice french wine, baileys, martini bianca, some barely opened bottles of jack and some other things, a box of strawberries, a hunk of cheese, etc. that seemed to really inspire the girls, and they proceeded to fuck my brains out. without hesitation i'll say this was the best nf sex i've ever gotten. wasn't even sex per se - i just lay on my back, and the two of them pleasured a bucket load of sperm out of me.

then, i'm sure the frugal forum members will yell at me, i gave them probably one of the biggest tips in nf history. i still had a thick stack of 500 r bills left from the strip club, and i just split it into two piles and gave it to them. i'm not even sure how much it was, but it must have about doubled their earnings. the girls were speechless for a moment; then they grabbed their stuff and flew out of the apartment, probably fearing i was going to sober up and change my mind. i didn't care though. i had a great night, and i was happy. the best thing was, i wouldnt' be leaving moscow feeling bitter that some cleaning lady would get boozed up at my expense. maria and her friend literally cleaned out my fridge.

thursday, february 16th 2006 will remain in the history books forever. generations of nf girls will whisper stories of the perfect client, and i know that even my own future experiences will not measure up to this one.

Muratlale4
02-20-06, 17:37
Hi folks,

I will be visiting Moscow in March and was wondering where I can get good, Tourist friendly fun in this city. Any recommendations?

Please mind that I neither can read or understand russian.

What do you guys recommend in terms of entertainment and girls?

Will there be any problems if I order some to my hotel?

What prices are reasonable (per hour or night)

What is tochka?

Any websites (english) that I can check out?

Regards

GandJim
02-20-06, 23:26
Vince,

That's what CA_T told you a few posts before when you wanted to book a tochka girl on the internet:

"vv... I think you may have a misunderstanding of a tochka! A tochka is a line-up near a main street where the girls line up and you choose one. By definition, it would be very difficult to book a tochka girl on the internet."

This information (as well as the photo) has been posted many times on this board already. Glad you did your homework though. :D

Crypton
02-21-06, 02:19
I saw her ad again.

She uses couple of names (keep the real name for myself)… http://www.znakomstva.nu/show.php?id=1140186584&pn=1



Wow.. she is hot. Did you take pics of her? ;-)

Big Bro AJ
02-21-06, 08:07
Crypton,

In general I don’t like to take pics; I am a bit selfish and lazy. No, I did not take her pics. But I guaranteed that she is way better than her pics.

If you’re gone meet her at her apartment, don’t be afraid of the double security doors and cameras all around the building and apartment. Highly secure apartment, her ex was some sort of mafia and he was in jail(in july)...

I paid $500 for 2 hours long threesome(she has a brunnette girl friend) and 7 hours long solo. She worthed every peny.

She travelled a lot,EU countries, South Africa; she enjoyed talking about those places.

CA Traveler
02-21-06, 12:43
Vince... IF YOU ARE GOING TO RIP OFF A PHOTO THAT I HAVE POSTED SEVERAL TIMES on ISG, at least you can give me credit for it! Besides, as I explained, I actually ripped it out of a photo book, but it is the only photo that I am aware of that pictures a tochka. The photo title is "Picking out a Bride".

I do not recommend taking your own photo... at least with a flash! In the summer, you may be able to get a clandestine photo with a small camera.

As far as the pricing that you quoted, it was accurate a year or so ago, but way off for Moscow prices these days. More accurately, the prices are now 3,000 rubles, 4,500 rubles and 6,000 rubles... some even have a 9,000 category. In addition, the mama is not on the street but rather off the street with the girls. The girl on the street is a "beacon" girl who only gives directions. Depending on the night, there may be as many as 50 tochkas in and around Moscow.

Doctor_Skank
02-21-06, 13:28
Moscow tochkas:

To second Ca_T, expect a minimum charge of $150 (4500 rubles) for anything good, category 6-7. More realistic for a top bride 7-8 is $200 (6000 rubles). You wont find anything above an 8 working tochkas. $100 (3000 rubles) will most likely land a 4-6 category girl, but as always YMMV.

Day of the week, , availability of girls, weather, time of night, location of tochka etc. all effect which kind of girl you get at which price.

And yes, you can take a taxi to a tochka if the driver agrees.

Tochka is even more "hit and miss" than other forms of prostitution. I like tochka because the girls stay all night and are often more GFE than other girls... they just like to hang out in the apartment and have some fun before the morning comes and they have to report in. Sometimes you can get jaded or depressed ones too... they dont lead an easy life and many of them are not in this profession by choice. It is the darker side of prostitution, although I dont want to exaggerate the already over-publicized stories of abuse. It does happen though.

I dont like tochka sometimes because it can be a hassle to find a good girl, sometimes the girls do look a bit "rough" and the prices have really gone up.

With tochka you should also pay close attention to all health and security issues.

Helena Moscow
02-21-06, 13:56
Hi folks,

I will be visiting Moscow in March and was wondering where I can get good, Tourist friendly fun in this city. Any recommendations?

Please mind that I neither can read or understand russian.

What do you guys recommend in terms of entertainment and girls?

Will there be any problems if I order some to my hotel?

What prices are reasonable (per hour or night)

What is tochka?

Any websites (english) that I can check out?

Regards


In some hotels security can charge you about 50$ for taking night guests. Sometimes it happens in Metropol and Mezdunarodnaya. The rest of good Moscow hotels are more or less girls-friendly. In Radisson and Holiday-Inn you'll have to meet the girl downstairs and see her out in the night time, othervise security may try to charge her (it's unlawful, but fact). The easiest are Renessanse, Katerina, Alrosa, Marriotts (all three), National and Sheraton.
And, sure, you need an English-speaking girl =))))))))))))))

CA Traveler
02-22-06, 12:04
Here is the update on the "pending" closure of CF...

It now is said that it will be open until the summer... I am now beginning to agree with those that say it will not close at anytime in the near future!

Big Bro AJ
02-22-06, 13:23
It’s been discussed several times, why don’t you read the previous posts.

Guys, especially the new ones on Moscow forum; don’t be too lazy. READ THE PREVİOUS POSTS.

Apartment or hotel? Benefits of both preferences.

What is Tochka, CF, NF? And prices?

How to find English speaking girls?

Internet or club girls?

These ones and many others have been explained and answered hundred times. JUST READ IT. You will get all the answers.

Doctor_Skank
02-22-06, 14:12
Tochka is in the basement of the Pushkin Square McDonalds. Just knock three times on the door and whistle loudly and a scantily-clad perky-breasted employee dressed in red and yellow stripes will lead you into a fantastic erotic world of sensual sexual debauchery... :)

...ever ask yourself why there is no Burger King in Moscow? Now you know...

CA Traveler
02-22-06, 16:22
doc... maybe that is why the Pushkin MickyD's "special sauce" tastes so funny?

Actually BK should have the "tochka" with their motto... "Have it your way!"

Helena Moscow
02-22-06, 16:59
So we prefer taking an apartment in Moscow ;-)


Wise decision =)

Stravinsky
02-23-06, 07:40
VV,
I'm not sure I understand. What is the purpose of your post?
Aside from wasting disk space....

Bez Bezarra
02-23-06, 13:14
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank

McDonalds will lead you into a fantastic erotic world of sex debauchery.

[/QUOTE]

Don't know 'bout no Ronnie Macs, but I'm not so proud to say
I used to fuck a slutty dyev who worked in papa johns, she would
call me to pick her up after work, and boy she always smelled
pretty cheesy, but I couldn't let that stand in the way of what she
wanted. Come to think of it, there was another wanna-be ghetto
bim-bette who graduated from street crawler gang toy to the drive
thru window at fur-burger king, when I saw her, it was a strange
surprise, but I couldn't help feeling some pride as she squirted
my vanilla shake.

Doctor_Skank
02-23-06, 13:46
I hear you Bez, isnt there something great about banging girls who work in the service industry? I love the thought of other guys ogling my chick in her skin tight polyester trousers, "how may I help you" name tag and size S stretch top.

In Moscow I am often tempted to chat up those poor student type girls who hand out flyers on Tverskaya, or the girls who walk around Pushkin Square in the summer wearing that odd backpack contraption selling hot dogs and pepsi. You know they are struggling... dreaming of white knight on horse who calgon takes them away. What do they make a day doing that, $20? How bought a romantic 2 hours in skankville for $50? Or just a relaxing afternoon of satellite TV, grabass and drinks are on the house? It's almost too easy...

BTW, anybody ever chat up one of those girls that offers horseback rides on Tverskaya? I mean the girls do look a bit too farmish for me, but "giddy up" I say.

Some guys used to brag about offering total strangers money to fuck and being successful with it. This was late 90's. Desperate times call for desperate measures. My attempts to make an indecent proposal usually ended up in a confused slightly hurt look, an abrupt "'bout face" or a hasty retreat... anybody out there in ISG land ever pull this kind of scam off?

Stefano
02-23-06, 18:33
I travel on business in the Central Russia. I need to have female interpretor with additional sex responsibilities. I am ready to pay for such girl2 or 3 times more in comparison with good interpetor without sex. In my turn, I can recommend my Moscow interpretor Lena, which provided me with very good and non-expensive additional sex services. She did everything, what I asked her to do. Pls answer me via PM.

Stefano

Stravinsky
02-23-06, 20:49
In Moscow I am often tempted to chat up those poor student type girls who hand out flyers on Tverskaya, or the girls who walk around Pushkin Square in the summer wearing that odd backpack contraption selling hot dogs and pepsi.

Doc,

My favorites are the ice cream girls. You know, the ones who have those little carts that they push around on wheels, with the dry ice. Little umbrella on top.

I remember last summer, there was one girl in particular that worked a corner not too far from my apt. She was absolutely gorgeous, if a little too young. She couldn't have been more than 16 or 17.

I found myself stopping by her cart every day, if I happened to be in the neighborhood, just to gaze on this lovely creature.

I was sorely tempted to ask her if she would like to suck on my popsicle.

Being the gentleman I am, I refrained. LOL

Big Bro AJ
02-27-06, 17:42
You keep writing about “Lena”. I contacted her couple of times. Each time she had an excuse. She said she was living with her mother and she has a daytime job. I said OK; let’s meet after work. I was avaliable any time and had a comfortable place to meet. We agreed on to meet but she did not call back. And last time she said according to what she read I was too active and I was a risk for her. Huh

You better stop writing about her and recommend someone else.




I travel on business in the Central Russia. I need to have female interpretor with additional sex responsibilities. I am ready to pay for such girl2 or 3 times more in comparison with good interpetor without sex. In my turn, I can recommend my Moscow interpretor Lena, which provided me with very good and non-expensive additional sex services. She did everything, what I asked her to do. Pls answer me via PM.

Stefano

One O Nine
02-27-06, 18:34
Some guys used to brag about offering total strangers money to fuck and being successful with it. This was late 90's. Desperate times call for desperate measures. My attempts to make an indecent proposal usually ended up in a confused slightly hurt look, an abrupt "'bout face" or a hasty retreat... anybody out there in ISG land ever pull this kind of scam off?

This prolly belongs in the Kiev forum, but since you've asked I might as well post it here. I just flew in from Kiev a few minutes ago for a one-night stop-over in Moscow on my way back home. In Kiev I went to this restaurant a few times for dinner, a really nice old Russian style type of place. Somehow I'd always end up at the same table, served by the same waitress, and every time I'd be out with a different girl (this whole Kiev trip was pretty much all about me striking out with freebie after freebie). I could see the waitress kind of liked me, and me always being out with somebody new piqued her interest.

So, this afternoon I had about an hour before my taxi would pick me up, I just finished packing, and I figured I'd run out and get a quick bite. This was only about 11:30 in the morning, and I was the only client there. I got my usual table, told the girlie I was in a hurry, quickly ate my borscht and pampushkas. So she asks me, why are you in such a rush. I look at my watch, and go, well, I'm catching a plane in 40 minutes. We look at each other meaningfully, and then I say, want to make 100 bucks the hard way?

Her eyes just about popped out of her skull, and then for a second I think she was about to say yes. But then she misunderstood my beaming smile and just started laughing, and then I just couldn't keep a straight face myself. So nothing came out of it, but I'll definitely go back to that place when I'm back in Kiev in April, and finish the job. I forget the name of the restaurant, but the waitresses there are all cute, and wear the freakiest folk costume uniforms with such revealing t-shirts that you literally get to see the edge of their areolas even when they're standing up. Ooh, that Nadya or whatever her name was, why'd I wait so lond to make my move? The two little moles on her right breast were driving me crazy.

Gateron White
02-27-06, 20:02
Hi Guys,

I need your help! How do you normaly pay the working girls (WGs) who you take home/hotel from a club in Moscow - before or after the love services. How does it work? Do you pay cash or by CC? If there are any rules or risks?

Thanks a lot for your feedback.

BR,

Gateron

Camieleke
02-27-06, 21:40
I spent the last 4 days in Moskow for business so I had not so may time this time!
Finally I called a girl to come over to my hotel.

I stayed in the Balshug Kempinsky and I had no problem to bring her into my room!
Her name is Tanya, a 20 year old student and I phoned here via yourfantasy.ru!
Very nice girl and I received a very good FS!

Can recommend her.

C.

Helena Moscow
02-27-06, 22:01
You keep writing about “Lena”. I contacted her couple of times. Each time she had an excuse. She said she was living with her mother and she has a daytime job. I said OK; let’s meet after work. I was avaliable any time and had a comfortable place to meet. We agreed on to meet but she did not call back. And last time she said according to what she read I was too active and I was a risk for her. Huh

You better stop writing about her and recommend someone else.

I can translate =))) And I'm also Lena =)))))))

It Travel
02-28-06, 08:33
Hi Guys,

I need your help! How do you normaly pay the working girls (WGs) who you take home/hotel from a club in Moscow - before or after the love services. How does it work? Do you pay cash or by CC? If there are any rules or risks?

Thanks a lot for your feedback.

BR,

Gateron

Dear Friend, of course there are risks…

By the way pay the girls in the currency they ask… USD or RUR (usually as advertised or asked). If you go to a Night Club it’s usually USD. If you get a girl from an agency for locals (Russian only) normally it’s RUR. Nobody will ask for Euro.

Paying before or after… it depends. Some of the agencies (when the girls are in constant telephone contact: telling they are arrived, how many hours they will stay, etc.) will ask for a total down payment when the girl is in your room. Others can be paid later or in the morning (specially freebies). There is always and everywhere the risk that they just disappear when you have paid them. With freebies lock your valuables and the door…

Of course keep your CC away! Us it in an ATM but NOT the normal ones you find in shops or in Metro Stations! Use the ones in international hotel lobbies (all have) or Seberbank or Vnetorgbank ones. It is safer… In all this ATM you an usually get RUR or USD in some even Euro.

IT

Doctor_Skank
02-28-06, 08:52
IT Travel, thanks for your comments, which are generally accurate, but just a couple of comments from my side to clarify a couple of points.

You wrote:

"Others can be paid later or in the morning (specially freebies). There is always and everywhere the risk that they just disappear when you have paid them. With freebies lock your valuables and the door…"

Sometimes I think the term "freebie" is misunderstood... they aren't in any way prostitutes or "on the take"... they are free! You dont pay them anything. They are girls you meet on the street, in the club or wherever... and just like in Europe or America or wherever, you flirt with them, make them feel happy or horny and take them home for a night of free sex...and hopefully give them a night to remember so they will be a repeat customer... :) As for locking your valuables and door, it makes sense if you have just met them, but if you've met them before I dont think you need to be paranoid about it... just naturally cautious and observant...

Regarding pros, curiously enough, the only problems I have ever had with thieving girls was in St.Pete... Moscow girls seem to be more honest... or less desperate. :)

"Nobody will ask for Euro"

This is more or less true in Moscow, in St.Pete they often ask for Euro. In any case, in a bind you can usually pay in whatever currency you choose... they know the exchange rates. To be safe though in Moscow, IT Travel is right, having US and Russian currency is best. I usually pay in RUR and keep a couple of Franklins in reserve. It also does make sense to keep your money in two places.

"Paying pros"

Agencies and tochka want money up front, with CF/NF girls it depends on the girl. I personally dont think it makes much difference in the performance department, but some contend that holding on to the cash until after the act is best... helps getting the girl to "stick around".

"credit cards"

The ATMs are safe in my opinion. I use them fairly often and without incident... knock on wood. To be really safe though, do as IT Travel suggests and use the ones in the major hotels. You cant use credit cards for pros... at least I've never heard of it.

It Travel
02-28-06, 21:23
Thanks… freebies

Thanks Dr Skank. But in what it is my (sorry if it is wrong) acceptation of language freebie here is a self standing pro.

So sorry…

For the door I agree totally. It is the reason I often chose the same girls… I have with me a lot of computers cameras etc… I would not like to be drugged… But perhaps I am to cautious…

As perhaps you have red I did not have any problems with girls taking anything. But only being crazy after drinking to fuck me. (By the way I’m not so ugly!)
As you well know some times they are very young.
Just today I was on internet and found a beautiful teen. Finally seventeen. Oh I was wondering. It’s legal in Russia!. But she already has a daughter of 14 months! Best to go elswhere!!!

I agree on CC. But mine has been copied in the early ’90 (in the US too) so I’m always a little bit afraid!!! Not only CC even European bankomat.

I hope I can get you some good pics and addressed for the end of March. I have being planning a sex week in Moscow between March 17th and 24-5th By the way is somebody there?

It would be funny to meet (and take a beer without addictives!) somebody who has fucked heavily Mistery Tramp in Kiev!!


IT

Doctor_Skank
02-28-06, 23:06
IT:

Dont worry about the translation problem, I can understand how "freebie" could be interpreted as "freelancer".

"Freelancer" IS a semi-pro... a girl who works bars or clubs part-time or without any pimp or agency.

"Freebie" on the other hand is a normal girl, no cash involved, just attraction, passion and affection.

As for Mystery Tramp, she remains one of my all-time favorite pros. I dont know if I ever met a girl that loved to suck cock as much as she did.

Crazy Travel
03-01-06, 08:13
I know that this board is not the best place to look for career advice, but I still want to give it a shot as I couldn't get very far elsewhere. I recently interviewed with a Western bank for a position in Moscow and we are about to start negotiating my compensation package. I have four years of solid management consulting experience and will be joining them at a manager level. Does anybody have any idea about the after-tax expat salaries at comparable mid-level management positions? Any info is greatly appreciated.

Chastlivo!Hi friend,

I have a Russian friend in Moscow. Well she was working in a western bank (partecipating from Unicredit) not totally managing position and earned about 1100 usd net per month. Now she has the first managing position in a totally russian bank and earn about 3000 USD net per month. IN the first bank more social program
Hope to have been useful

It Travel
03-01-06, 08:42
Yes I was mistaking on names…

Ok this should be in Ukraine, Kiev section. But Ok. I'll be in Kiev in May. i'll try to sarch for her (the Mistery Tramp I mean). Just wondering if she still became so wet when fucking.

I found another teen in Moscow in that level making BBBJ and also CIM and COF, which was going on sucking with the mouth full of cum. Then she let the cum go on your cock and masse it by hand up to when you are down! Good technique for a teen! By the way she often are naturally wet when fucking.
She is a well figured girl with fabulous tits (hard as rocks). Unfortunately she is totally against Anal and her nights are on five hours. I have written on her already. But I can put a remainder… The only problem I found is that she is very busy. I’ll try to get her next time.

I post a old picture and a link.. she uses different names like Diana, Alisia, or now Lada etc. But it easy to find her on www.intimcity.ru if you select the age 18. Now she is at http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=21971 She is even better in person.

BBBJ with CIM and COF is not officially proposed, but she will do it happily for an extra 1000 RUR.

IT

Some good pics too!

Muratlale4
03-01-06, 09:55
I am trying to get ready for a trip to Moscow by the end of march, and I was wondering if there are any places you guys would recommend beside NF and the other (CF?).
Do you guys recomend any software besides Bable Fish?
And how reliable are incalls?

thanks

Does anybody know http://www.call-girls.ru/cgi-bin/cg.pl?id=girls ?

One O Nine
03-01-06, 15:42
I am trying to get ready for a trip to Moscow by the end of march, and I was wondering if there are any places you guys would recommend beside NF and the other (CF?).

Strip clubs, without a doubt. For me it's the best place to find a pro in Moscow nowadays. NF is too cold and mechanical, and CF is a threat to your life and limb. In a strip club you can actually meet relatively normal girls, see all the goods up front, have a conversation with them for as long as you like without being rushed, and end up paying about the same for the whole night as you would for a poker-faced NF quickie.

Just remember, most of the girls at these strip clubs just want your money. Don't spent it on anyone but your intended target, and discuss everything up front like you would with any pro.

My one stop-over night in Moscow last night I went to 911 VIP and actually went home empty-handed. It was a Monday, and I must have hit the Z squad. Ouch. It also looked like 911 is slowly going into the direction of the places like Safari Lodge, and they have non-dancing pros on staff. I was approached by two of those somewhat more aggressively than I'm used to at 911 (i.e. they just sat next to me and began rubbing against me). Both were very cute but I wasn't in the mood for that kind of thing. I really regretted letting one of them go though, she had amazing natural jugs, and this whole month for me has been one skinny girl after another.

Anyway, I chatted up a couple of girls, had some drinks, almost decided to take home this one butterface who was an amazing dancer and really nice to talk to, but then I said fuck it and left. Stopped at NF for a minute, saw nothing I liked, and what's a poor man to do at 2 am on a Monday night, grabbed a taxi and went to a tochka. There I actually struck gold. A really charming tall 20 year old from Donetzk, incredibly well-educated and smart, and a real pleasure to talk to. I almost didn't even want to go to sex, and we just sat there yapping for two hours. I know it's sad, but I've had so much sex lately and so little genuine human contact, I just couldn't get enough. Such a shame a girl like that has to sell her body... Really not tochka material.

Big Bro AJ
03-01-06, 16:03
I second 109’s comments, but this will be your first trip to Moscow; therefore I advice you to stop by the usual spots like NF and CF; I don't really like it but you may easily find girls at Safari and Oh la la.

If you don’t like pushy girls and want to have fun, first choices are always Rhino and Mister XXX.

I didn’t know what happened to Shandra but that place was a great spot. In my first time, I got laid with a 1.80 strawberry blonde stunner just after we ordered our first drinks.

Moscow is a great place, as long as you have enough cash and know where to find what you are looking.

Aerosol Spray
03-01-06, 16:52
Since California Traveler is no longer in the apartment-rental business, are there any suggestions for good, reliable services in this market? I am planning a return 10-day trip to Moscow for the first time in decades and don't really want to stay in a hotel. Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

One O Nine
03-02-06, 19:33
Aerosol,

I used moscow-comfort.com the last time around, and while the apartments aren't as luxurious as I'd like, the service was excellent. I would recommend it over what moscow-star's become any day.

ILuvIt
03-02-06, 19:50
I guess California Traveler found things were better in the Ukraine. He's promoting his site, http://www.odessaexecutivesuites.com/

Is Moscow going to the dogs or something?

Doctor_Skank
03-02-06, 20:21
ILuvIt:

As a veteran of both cities I attest that Moscow is NOT going to the dogs and is better than ever, especially the freebie scene, the strip clubs and salons. NF is the same as ever (and still not my favorite) whereas CF ranges from quite fun to really atrocious, depressing or even dangerous (more than 1 ISG member including me was drugged there). Tochkas seem to be celebrating a comeback, as good reports were given lately.

The point is Odessa has the better weather, has no visa or militia hassles and is at least 30% cheaper. Odessa has less options and less clubs, but is generally a pleasant place to be, especially in the summer.

Moscow is a business travellers destination in a lot of ways, as it can bust the average tourists budget quickly. There are ways to save in Moscow, but in the end it is expensive if you want to have real fun there. I personally find Moscow more interesting than Odessa, but from an objective point of view, Odessa has a lot of advantages for the average monger tourist who has to choose between Moscow, Kiev, Odessa, Prague or whereever for his biannual holiday.

Aerosol Spray:
I still think Moscow-Star is pretty decent, but it all depends on which apartment you get. Moscow-Star has great apartments (usually the ones that Ca_T remonted) and has average ones (Moscow Rick's old stable of apartments). Basically I have been satisfied with Moscow Star, but I only like the apartments on Tverskaya, which are usually the more expensive ones. I hear he has recently added new apartments too.

ILuvIt
03-03-06, 00:23
Doctor_Skank

Thank you for your insight. I was wondering if California Taveler wasn't telling us something that we should know about Moscow. I understand that there are some dangers wherever we go and should keep an eye open.


ILuvIt

One O Nine
03-03-06, 01:09
Moscow's just too expensive, too hectic, and too unstable. It's great for a tourist to come in and spend some cash on beautiful women - nothing's changed in that respect, except it's more expensive now than it was a few years ago.

CaT just had to live there, and I just don't think Moscow is a great city to live. Maybe his reasons for moving are different, I'm just assuming here. When I go to Moscow I mostly deal with the locals, and after a while the city begins to get to you. I wouldn't want to live there, nor would I recommend anybody else. The sex ain't worth it. Moscow is a shitty city, and Russia is a shitty country becoming shittier every day.


In short, come in, spend your money, screw some gorgeous chicks. As long as you don't get too deep into the everyday life, Moscow is great.

Helena Moscow
03-03-06, 01:37
[QUOTE=One O Nine]

"In short, come in, spend your money, screw some gorgeous chicks. As long as you don't get too deep into the everyday life, Moscow is great."

But it's true to every city. There is an old anecdote story about a dead man choosing between hell and paradise. Paradise was too boring with angels and no sinful pleasures, but during the tour to hell the man saw everybody entertaining without a stop, enjoying drugs, alcohol, and of course, fucking beautiful women. So, our smart deadman chose hell. But immediately as he did so, he was placed in a boiler. "It's a froad! - he screamed. - You showed me another picture". And the devil answered: "Tourism is not the same as immigration". No matter where you are, as a tourist on holidays you are happy - it's like a dream, you sit in a nice hotel room, don't work, spend money you saved and feel great. But when it comes to daily life - with all the problems you have to fix... believe me, even for a born Muscovite any (even best in the world) city which is not home will seem terrible. Just because it's like starting life anew, knowing nothing, with no friends, and local entertaiment-friends are also busy - they fix their own problems, have no time for yours. That's life =))

Maslitio
03-04-06, 07:43
I am a Westerner living in Moscow and, in my opinion, it is far better than any other city I have lived in or traveled to. The one headache, the government. They seem to want to micro-manage and control every single aspect of Russian life.

In terms of livng here, I am not on the all expense paid expat package. I speak Russian and my lifestyle is very close to that of a middle class Russian, with the exception that I can get on the first plane back home if Ivanov is becomes the next president.

CA Traveler
03-07-06, 11:08
Rather than everyone trying to guess what my opinion about Moscow is...

First of all, Moscow is still a monger's paradise... IF you have an expense account or are VERY wealthy or have a cash flow that is like a river! I have never seen a city outside of Asia where sex is more available than Moscow.

That said, when I first moved to Moscow in 2003 I had a ball! My own apartment... my own business... great clients to hang with... prices were expensive, but still affordable. It was like a two-year vacation.

HOWEVER, after a couple of years, I began to wear down... The weather is crap for the most part, winter is harsh and never ends and even the summers have been cool for the past three summers... The pollution is nasty, it turns your teeth yellow, it makes you hack out nasty globs, it makes you constantly tired. I stayed sick for 8 months... The gridlocked traffic is constant... The people's attitude continues to get worse... The militia is always on your mind and you never know who is going to stop you on the street or knock on your door... The visa requirements and registration continue to get more restrictive and a major PITA and every trip through passport control or customs is a risk... On top of all of this, the price of everything continues to go through the roof!

Now, keep in mind that doc travels on his company's dime and 1-0-9 has more money than God, but ALL of my trips to Moscow and my living expenses were out of my pocket!

SO, when I visited Ukraine and Odessa, I immediately noticed the quality of the girls and then the difference in the people's attitude, combined with the great weather, prices less than 40% of Moscow's, no visa or visa registration and... Did I mention the women are absolutely F'n beautiful!

It was an easy decision for me to leave Moscow... I love Odessa, and Kiev, but with everything that is great about it, it does not have the "in-you-face" available sex that is present in Moscow. Many of my friends who used to love Moscow have, after visiting Odessa, decided that they would rather spend their time in Odessa than Moscow.

At this point, when I return to Moscow, I compare everything to Odessa... Personally, I am very happy about my new home... my new business... the weather...

I may visit Moscow in the future, but I would never consider living there again.

Keaton 64
03-07-06, 23:25
Hello friends

I know, i first must read the previous posts, and indeed I am doing it slowly because there are so many...
Anyway, hoping to find a generous (and informed) fellow helping me, my question is: I am going for my very first tiem in Moscow (and Russia) and only for 2 nights and 3 days, i wil stay at Holiday Inn in Lesnaya street,a big hotel in the center, what can I hope to find there? Are there girls in the hotel? next to hotel? which prices? I have also some hours inthe afternoon, but i do not know the city and the language at all....
well, in one word: help me to enjoy the magic Moscow i'd never imagine I could visit a day..
thanks to all
K

CA Traveler
03-08-06, 07:40
k64, there is not much around the HI except the Belarusski train/metro station. You'll need to get back to the Garden Ring for much to happen P4Pwise.

Can't speak about the lobby, I've only walked by it a few times. Read the reports, but generally if you just want a girl, go to NF or CF. If you want a strip club, read all of 109's posts and choose. Personally, I like Safari Lodge because it is close to CF and I can hit both of them quickly.

Have fun.

Helena Moscow
03-09-06, 21:13
Hello friends

I know, i first must read the previous posts, and indeed I am doing it slowly because there are so many...
Anyway, hoping to find a generous (and informed) fellow helping me, my question is: I am going for my very first tiem in Moscow (and Russia) and only for 2 nights and 3 days, i wil stay at Holiday Inn in Lesnaya street,a big hotel in the center, what can I hope to find there? Are there girls in the hotel? next to hotel? which prices? I have also some hours inthe afternoon, but i do not know the city and the language at all....
well, in one word: help me to enjoy the magic Moscow i'd never imagine I could visit a day..
thanks to all
K


Nice hotel, cosy rooms, taugh security, no girls downstairs. Close is Tverskaya street with a lot of entertainments and Red Square in the end. Quite close to you will be Sovietsky hotel with a luxury "Yar" restaurant. If you search some testful russian-style variety show, just go there. The interier and food also great.

Doctor_Skank
03-09-06, 21:32
K64:

Well your hotel isnt bad, like the girls said it's new but you likely won't find any in-hotel action. Its not in the very center, but is less than a 10 minute cab ride to Red Square, straight shot up Tverskaya street, although you'll have to cross to the other side of the street. Use the underpass. Trust me, you'll know what I mean when you see "the street". It's more like a airport runway.

So what is your plan? What kind of girls you looking for? Escorts? Salons? Take home like NF or CF? Tochka? What's your budget? Do you have to be discreet?

Simply asking "where's the action?" is too vague. Focus grasshopper!

BTW ladies, by tough security do you mean he'll have trouble bringing girls home? Just curious, as most Western hotels are girl-friendly... ok, Holiday Inn is only pseudo-western, but I cant imagine they are as strict as Soviet hotels.

Keaton 64
03-09-06, 23:51
doctor skank and ladies,
first of all thank you, this forum makes people feel never alone. about me. I try to tell more of my "needs".
I need absolutely to be discreet, about budget i read that i can spend much less than the 150 dollars the ladies offered me and it would be great if i could host a girl in my room in Holyday Inn. what i look for? a hot russian lady for enjoy the real taste of Moscow in my fisrt visit.
is it stil vague? if so, i am here, my friends, in yoru hands...
thanks again

K

Johnie White
03-09-06, 23:52
Well, finally I’m in Moscow! I’ve done all my business on Wednesday and just decided to relax on Thursday and Friday (thanx god my wife stayed at home). So I spent about 20 minutes of my priceless time to find girl for myself:

http://fate.com.ua/page/alina13 (real pics!!!)

Guys, I have to say that cold weather doesn’t affect the Russian women. These young lady were as hot as fire. This couple cost me 350$ for a night, but girl worked every cent. I recommend.

It Travel
03-10-06, 08:34
Dear friends,
I will soon be in Moscow a couple of times in the next 40 days, so I was trying to plan a little bit “girls meetings”. I was going trough www.omen.ru both searching normal girls, freebies (thanks Doctor Skank for clarifying), and some kind of pros asking for a “Sponsorship”. Some are on daily basis, some can go weekly some monthly etc.

In my last trip to Moscow I met one of this girls but it was nothing. Too expensive (500 USD for some hours in the afternoon!) and… I felt it was no good in some way. You know mongers sixth sense!

After some weeks of searching (with my poor Russian) I found a lot of willing girls. And now I have several meetings planned (at least with three girls… one 22 one 20 and one 18, this last with incredible tits). I will see if the show up. By the way notice that I was trying to get the most “normal” girls not with studio photo (many are surely fake), and not giving their phone number easily. For the teen it took neatly two weeks for making a deal!

Searching I even had contacts (and planned a meeting) with two, not really teens, around late twenties, for taking them to a (cheap) vacation… in April or May (a village in Antalya or something like that: all inclusive, even flight, for three in a suite for approx 2.500 USD, for three of course). Three in bed for a week! By the way I did not yet understand if they are lesbian or bisexuals and what I can get out of them; sexually I mean!

I wonder if some of you have already experienced this “sponsorship”. It seems to me, making a complex thing simpler, the same difference between taking a taxi and renting a car. ;-)

If somebody has other internet addresses for this kind of services, or telephone or mail or ICQ of “normal” girls liking to be sponsored a PM will be really appreciated.

I will write when I’m back home, with some things of how these sponsorship has gone. I will also post the girls pictures, no privacy problems because the one I will post are already (with clear face picture) on Internet.

IT

Big Bro AJ
03-10-06, 09:11
IT,

The season will start on late May or June.

Antalya will be definately hotter than Moscow but April is still to early.

Of course it's your call, have fun....

AJ

It Travel
03-10-06, 09:36
IT,

The season will start on late May or June.

Antalya will be definately hotter than Moscow but April is still to early.

Of course it's your call, have fun....

AJ

I know well, but for a Russian 15-20 (plus) is very warm!!!!
There is another thing I do not want that it is to hot, otherwise they will be always out.. so we can sit in the suite, eating friut and drinking wine...
I'll surely need a special delivery ov Viagra!

You do not have other infos on sponsorship sites?

IT

One O Nine
03-10-06, 18:20
Here's something you gotta understand about the sponsorship. These girls are, for all intents and purposes, pros. They're just more selective about their clientelle, and usually more expensive than your average NF-type girls. Very few are actually interested in finding a single guy, and receiving the paltry $3,000 / month or whatever it is they quote. If you're not careful, they'll take you for a ride for all you've got, and you'll get nothing but a few rounds of sex in return.

As I have a very good insight into the mindset, here's what their MO is. They sit around and look for suitable candidates on the internet, trying to gauge their financial ability and gullibility. More often than not, if they're not meeting you right away but continuing to talk, it simply means their schedules are booked for now, and they're keeping you for after they say goodbye to their current mark. Once they meet you, they hope to be taken around town on your dime, and maybe get a little present or two - a nice bag, a pair of shoes, a watch, etc. Then they get some cash for some sex, or maybe not even that if you're a complete dolt; and after that they'll usually switch to the next prospect.

This is a business with an established process. The word gets around, girls talk to each other, rumors float, they all hear about this idiot or the other who gave some girl a Cartier watch and she didn't even fuck him, a billionaire who bought some girl an apartment and a Beamer, and so on. That's what these girls are looking for.

So, keep all that in mind. Be careful. There's a lot more deceit going on than with your freebies, or with your regular pros. Whatever you do, don't spend a lot of cash on these girls, and don't buy them things. Remember, the whole thing is nothing but a prolonged sales process - you've got the money, she's got the goods, and you're trying to agree on the compensation package. Be smart. Don't delude yourself, and don't get taken for a ride.

It Travel
03-10-06, 18:34
I agree completely with what you are saying…

I just tried a different way. If I can get laid for some nights at the same price… who cares? No hassle no chasing… even if I buy her some fine Italian underwear, a dinner, and a drink, it will be not more than 80 €. It what I’m spending to get to NF and a lot of drinks and taxi..

I’ll try, and see what happens. I know well what’s happening there and I already found girls asking for 500 y.e. (for saying it in Russian) for a couple of hours… I’m not that type. But I want to try and see myself. I do not think it is risky!

I had in the last weeks (I do not live in Moscow) a lot of contacts. Specially three/four interesting. If it is overpriced I’ll turn to regulars I have some numbers (you can see pics in pic. section). No problem at all!

In any case your suggestion is very welcome!
Thanks 109!

By the way if you have some interesting pro giving CIM… make me a PM! Since some years they are less..

Thanks
IT

It Travel
03-10-06, 18:49
Sorry my last e-mail was not complete…

For speaking on the two girls for vacation (never met) my conditions are obvious: some meetings in Moscow BEFORE. All six holes included, and I’m not speaking on golf! Should be nine at least!

Of course you can get a problem. When you are on holiday in the location.

But this is up to you character… I should just (as I did with a Tatar girl see my report) throw them out of the door (i.e. flight tickets in the toilet). I am not afraid for this. I do not think, if you are really open and transparent, that this is a problem with Russian girls. Of course problems can happen (drunk etc…).

I’ll like to try.

Verify if it is as I suppose (no evidence, clear!) pros are like taxis, here you are renting a car (of course you have to fuel it too, not only with cum!).

IT

PS
CIM girls in Moscow (tested) are still welcome. I only know two, and I would like to change.
I will brief all you when I'm back...

Husaberg
03-11-06, 14:17
Congrats 109 ... really a proper sermon ..why are men so stupid not to understand it straight!

Starchild2012
03-12-06, 09:09
Great Words of wisdom, However, Our life is sometimes so unpredictable or choatic..that our best plans and safer methods would not work..in the situations that we would be in....

I don't think we control more than 50 percent of our lifes and the rest is controlled by say whatever "external forces" "god" "mother nature" .

We could not be sure what we are going to do is right or wroung, untill the external forces take the judgement...

I think it would be unnecesary, to think soo much about one plans to do somthing which is good or bad.....or anything..as we do not have control of our life 100 percent...

Its crazy...but i allowed sometimes to be fooled by a pro or a freebie..just to see the length of ways that would go on to fool or out-smart a customer...yeah...i get quite bored of sex some time and would like to feel the neccesities of women :)...to do what i would not...or what makes them think cheat a customer for few extra bucks...

Believe me its nothing...sometimes they just can't get rid of there illusory feeling of winning a deal from the customers or its just a feeling of making that extra 100 bucks out of nothing....or at best its just the way it is...

Think of it..if you dare to go beyond ....even if they fool 100 ISG guys for 100 bucks each....it won't make any difference to there life's......they would at the most eat at a good restaurent. ..buy a good shoe or dress..or send few extra dollar to there home ...in short..they spend there money here and there..they do not have any long term or constructive plans with that money...in my opinion they are just incapable of doing anything with the money they cheat ....thats it...

They would never will or im yet to hear a pro or a freebie ....thinking about long term goals or investing in a stock market or making a ***** fund pool or something for there future...with the cheated money.....or with anything....

They are most of the time thinking about today than tommarow...They just dream of a good time..but don't know how to get it ....so they just being impulsive or out of compulsity or desire...go for cheating...or whatever....

But ultimately what i found was, it did not made much of a difference to me or to the girls who cheated me ....i see them on the same site, same location ..same everything about them...wonder..were all there cheating skills took them...

After going through this drill of sort of analysing women on there cheating skills ...or making me feel that. i being outdone or simply i lost it out or i could have being more smarter or anything that would make me more proud of my smartness. i have reached a point where......

im now quite happy with the way it is....im not taking things too seriously about getting cheated by a women for not being so causious....guys believe me in this....if you free your mind from the feeling that you are getting cheated or whatever....i assure you ...that your sexual intensity will be 1000 percent more than it is right now....you will feel like you are blessed with sex or something..yeahh...it would be true bliss of sort...


Now i see women in different light, lets she cheats me or not .....I GIVE A DAMM !! ....as i now know fully well ....she and me .....ain't going no were ...lets she be the smart ass and i be the dumb ass....i get what i want and no one's gonna stop me and thats SEX.....

It Travel
03-12-06, 09:55
I am very sorry to all of you…

I perhaps, not voluntarily, started a polemic on sponsorship….

My objective is just renting long term girls for sex, sex, sex and truly some nice GFE…

I have no idea of what other’s experiences are… surely I am not sending money by Western Union or getting them to expensive shops…

Of course I will get something. i.e. for one girl I brought a very sexy lingerie all coordinated with stockings. Black and Silver (with her black hair and light eyes it will be interesting to see) but it was up to 48 €! An I have rented her for a complete weekend. From Friday afternoon to Monday noon. I hope that my extra cost will be mostly on Viagra.

I just see (my vision of course!) sponsorship like a different way of getting a pro in the bed for making sex. Of course I think they are “b i t c h e s” like one for sale by hour… They just have less customer.

I agree totally when you all say that often thy find dumb men sending money etc. etc. Same in Thailand I have red. But It is the same to go to a night club or a strip club and put 200-300 € for a girl. With the same amount of money you can fuck one all the night!

This is just my opinion. But of course My be I am wrong and these girls are there just for getting you shopping and shopping and restaurant and restaurant… They will be fired immediately, but not before a heavy anal treatment!

I am just try to joke with sexy girls… I do not want to take this questions to seriously. The girl I have rented is at, for the weekend, 700 USD (three nights, two days, and Monday morning). It’s not more than the normal 200/300 tariff… If I spend a couple of franklins in bars etc. no problem!
IT

Cruiser D
03-13-06, 23:11
I always like reading what you have to say 109. Girls who say I am a non pro who takes money for sex always makes me chuckle. Of course there is a difference between a girl who spends every night at the local disco/p4p pickup place and a girl turning one or two tricks a month for rent/food. That is why we have pro and semi pro.

Here is just a general note to all you US citizens looking to relive the young glory sex days of your life. Or experience some things you never got to in your life - You do realize you can find a US college cutie to sponsor for around 1-4k/month. Of course this might be easier in college cities like Boston or NYC but that is where I spend most of my time. So you could actually find yourself in a bit of a paradox. Why go to Moscow and deal with a hardened pro when you can stay in the US with a 18-20 year old college cutie. ;)


Here's something you gotta understand about the sponsorship. These girls are, for all intents and purposes, pros. They're just more selective about their clientelle, and usually more expensive than your average NF-type girls. Very few are actually interested in finding a single guy, and receiving the paltry $3,000 / month or whatever it is they quote. If you're not careful, they'll take you for a ride for all you've got, and you'll get nothing but a few rounds of sex in return.

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So, keep all that in mind. Be careful. There's a lot more deceit going on than with your freebies, or with your regular pros. Whatever you do, don't spend a lot of cash on these girls, and don't buy them things. Remember, the whole thing is nothing but a prolonged sales process - you've got the money, she's got the goods, and you're trying to agree on the compensation package. Be smart. Don't delude yourself, and don't get taken for a ride.

Cruiser D
03-13-06, 23:14
Watch out for this spam.


"Hot Thursday

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Well, finally I’m in Kiev. I’ve done all my business on Wednesday and just decided to relax on Thursday and Friday (thanx god my wife stayed at home). So I spent about 20 minutes of my priceless time to find girl for myself:

http://fate.com.ua/page/fotacom (real pics!!!)

Guys, I have to say that cold weather doesn’t affect the Russian women. These young lady were as hot as fire. This couple cost me 350$ for a night, but girl worked every cent. I recommend."





Well, finally I’m in Moscow! I’ve done all my business on Wednesday and just decided to relax on Thursday and Friday (thanx god my wife stayed at home). So I spent about 20 minutes of my priceless time to find girl for myself:

http://fate.com.ua/page/alina13 (real pics!!!)

Guys, I have to say that cold weather doesn’t affect the Russian women. These young lady were as hot as fire. This couple cost me 350$ for a night, but girl worked every cent. I recommend.

It Travel
03-14-06, 19:21
I am very sorry but in Your link I can just see a pic of a girl (changing every time i click)...

Is it a pay site as I suppose?

IT


Watch out for this spam.


"Hot Thursday

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Well, finally I’m in Kiev. I’ve done all my business on Wednesday and just decided to relax on Thursday and Friday (thanx god my wife stayed at home). So I spent about 20 minutes of my priceless time to find girl for myself:

http://fate.com.ua/page/fotacom (real pics!!!)

Guys, I have to say that cold weather doesn’t affect the Russian women. These young lady were as hot as fire. This couple cost me 350$ for a night, but girl worked every cent. I recommend."

Cruiser D
03-14-06, 21:43
The link and content are not mine. Sorry for the confusion. I am just pointing out that some person posted the same message on the Kiev and Moscow board - obviously not up to any good.

Etaoin2003
03-15-06, 01:42
I am shocked, shocked to find that spamming is going on here!
http://www.reelclassics.com/Movies/Casablanca/casablanca4.htm

Chris Coop
03-17-06, 12:32
Hello everybody,

I have a view questions for my trip to Moscow end of April 2006.

First of all I have seen lot's of information on Tochka locations and apartments but what would be the best choice? What I am looking for is an apartment (With no hassle from the owner/operator to bring girls and trouble with the neighbors concerning noise) and close to a Tochka Line-up. I prefer within walking distance so I would not have to bother with taxis. If combined the apartment and Tochka close together and maybe a good bar in the neighborhood my trip will be super.

Does anybody have experience with the apartments from Rick www.enjoymoscow.com

Many thanks for the info.

Chris

Moscow Wolf
03-18-06, 10:17
Does anybody have experience with the apartments from Rick www.enjoymoscow.com

ChrisYes, I do have experience with this, I've stayed in his apartments 4 or 5 times last year. It always worked out well, and Rick is it seems reliable, but if you don't have nerves of steel, I would look elsewhere. (Friends, please correct me if something has changed this year)

The reason is that Rick's communication is like a black hole. I've usually received information after mailing twice and calling three times. He's always had an apartment for me waiting, but he made me believe that he was working for two weeks throwing out other guests to make room for me in the very last second, if you know what I mean.

Twice I had him arrange visa for me. Big mistake. I've received the necessary papers so late that I had to go for an overnight application to be in time for my trip.
You might ask why did I do it a second time. Well, he was on a short holiday the first time and I thought that his office didn't care while he was gone. Now I know that his office was (used to be - there were changes) more effective than the man himself.
The real reason I used his service quite a few times was that most of his old apartments were just 5 minutes on foot from my office - and that's great if you know Moscow traffic. These old apartments are not so nice, but good quality by Russian standards. The new apartments (the ones he took over from CAT) are much better looking and usually are a better starting point for nights out.

So to sum up. I would recommend going for Rick if you really don't mind getting last-minute information - as I said: in my case in the end it always worked out.

Doctor_Skank
03-18-06, 17:26
Chris,

You may have read the forum a lot but you did seem to miss the point that tochkas are mobile and dont often stay in the same place for long. So getting an apartment anyway within the garden ring is fine... I've walked to tochkas before too, but generally you will have to take a taxi. Taxi is almost unavoidable in Moscow if you want to see much.

As for Rick's apartments, they are ok. Every apartment is girl-friendly, noise is never a problem.

Blastoff
03-19-06, 09:24
Hi Guys,

I am chatting to many girls on line in Moscow and have many web sites for pro action, my only real concern is the Russian Mafia. I do not speak Russian and am thinking of travelling there alone. I would probably (for safety reasons) stay in a hotel as opposed to an apartment.

The horror stories I am hearing is that the Mafia has people reporting the arrival and movements of tourists from the time they arrive at the airport till they leave. I hear that tourists are often kidnapped and tortured and extorted for money, some times for weeks as they are forced to sell their homes and transfer the money to the gangsters account before they are released or killed.

What can you guys on the ground, tell me about this situation and how dangerous is it for a sole tourist to travel there for a few weeks?

Thanks in advance for your help and any contributions on the subject as this is the only area of my trip I need to fully understand before I book it.


Chris,

You may have read the forum a lot but you did seem to miss the point that tochkas are mobile and dont often stay in the same place for long. So getting an apartment anyway within the garden ring is fine... I've walked to tochkas before too, but generally you will have to take a taxi. Taxi is almost unavoidable in Moscow if you want to see much.

As for Rick's apartments, they are ok. Every apartment is girl-friendly, noise is never a problem.

Cicciolino
03-19-06, 18:03
I cannot recommend Rick's apartments at all. Rick has such a big chaos in everything that you have to contact him by email and telephone ten times before getting an apartment. His apartments are mostly older and in bad conditions. The cleaning of the apartments could be as well better. It can happen that you arrive in an uncleaned apartment and the bed is not done. His apartments are quiet expensive compared to several competitors.

Lover
03-19-06, 23:21
Hi guys!

I am going to Moscow in April and thinking about using girls from Sweet dreems website advertised here by Victoria 2000.

I liked pictures of several girls(Oksana,Marina,Nastia) there and according to Victoria prices are reasonable so I wander if you have experience with her girls?

Is prices quoted correctly? Is those girls as pretty as on their website pictures?

I checked russian website sexrtalk.ru where you ca search any posts about certain phone # and there is no information about sweet-dreems girls.

Lover

Marsh908
03-20-06, 01:36
Hi Lover

I talked to Victoria2000 in Oct + Nov 2005.

She was very helpful to a non-Russian speaker.

Lena and Elaina were very pretty and were a GFE treat.

Prices are fair and girls very friendly.

Say Hi for me!

Marsh908

Ffmbud
03-20-06, 05:35
I cannot recommend Rick's apartments at all. Rick has such a big chaos in everything that you have to contact him by email and telephone ten times before getting an apartment. His apartments are mostly older and in bad conditions. The cleaning of the apartments could be as well better. It can happen that you arrive in an uncleaned apartment and the bed is not done. His apartments are quiet expensive compared to several competitors.I beg to differ on the comments by Cicciolino. I reserved my apartment with Rick nearly two months in advance knowing that since the demolition of the Rossia Hotel (2000 rooms) being offset only by a Ritz-Carlton, was going to up the demand side of the pricing curve up. Just as I predicted, the hotel rates have all gone up another $100-150 per night. At the same time, I knew that apartments were going to be over booked.

Even with a 2 mos advance notice, Rick had to scramble around to find me one in a location I wanted. But he got me one at $170 per night (for a week's stay). Compare that with $550-650/night at the Marriott, Hyatt or Meridien or no room at all elsewhere.

He seems to have a new crew (drivers, assistants) that seem more dependable and the apartments are always clean and functional, with all minimum items (coffee, tea, sugar, salt, pepper and cooking utensils) supplied.

I would continue to recommend Rick's Apartments as a alternative in Moscow, understanding that you can't expect US level services in Moscow, its all relative and you can do a lot worse.

CA Traveler
03-20-06, 08:50
I think moscow wolf pretty much nailed it...

Rick is always so busy, as he will tell you himself... about working 20 hour days, as he is on his way to play basketball or partake of a local punch, and how he is doing you a big favor by renting you an apartment... That said, he does have about the largest assortment of apartments in Moscow and he does speak English. He's raised the prices about 50% in the last year, but who can blame him the way it is in Moscow these days.

I recommend that you try www.moscow-comfort.com. It is owned by Sveta, ex of Moscow Star, who is very efficient and cute. She doesn't have many apartments and I am told they are booked up all of the time but it may be worth a shot. I've never stayed there, but I have confidence in Sveta.

If you have to stay in one of rick's places, I suggest that you tell him that you want one of the old MSP apartments. Then, insist on some major refund if he has to move you for ANY reason.

Doctor_Skank
03-20-06, 08:55
Blastoff:

"...my only real concern is the Russian Mafia. I do not speak Russian and am thinking of travelling there alone. I... I am hearing is that the Mafia has people reporting the arrival and movements of tourists from the time they arrive at the airport till they leave. I hear that tourists are often kidnapped and tortured and extorted for money, some times for weeks as they are forced to sell their homes and transfer the money to the gangsters account before they are released or killed."

Maybe in Chechnya, but not in Moscow. There are no mafia problems to worry about. The only problems with apartments are:

a) you must get your visa registered
b) you should get a centrally located apt
c) the cleanliness standard of some apartments isnt on par with a hotel
d) many apartments have lousy plumbing/water pressure

If you aren't EE experienced, apartments may not be right for you. Some apts are just great, most are average and a lot suck as well.

Western hotels are fine for pro action. Russian hotels are not. I chose apartments because they are cheaper and are better when have your freebie regular girlfriends over.

Cicciolino:

"I cannot recommend Rick's apartments at all. Rick has such a big chaos in everything that you have to contact him by email and telephone ten times before getting an apartment. His apartments are mostly older and in bad conditions..."

My experience wasnt as bad as yours, but it is true that he is a bit expensive and you should DEFINITELY book off of the www.moscow-star.com site and not the www.enjoymoscow.com site. The apartments on the moscow-star site are the better apartments. He operates both sites. All his apartments have internet access though, which I consider a big advantage.

CA Traveler
03-20-06, 09:05
Blastoff... You really have it nailed... MAN, I just barely made it out of Moscow alive. The worst thing is having that mafia thug trying to keep up with me everyday for two years... Sometimes I even had to slow down so he could catch up. The worst thing is when I'd go to a tochka and feel like I "had" to get him a girl too! Man, what a hassle... Then, going to clubs... No wonder everything is so damn expensive in Moscow... You have to pay for your "tail" then you had to try to find something for yourself!

In fact, it got so bad that I actually got a separate ATM card just to give to them... that way I didn't have to mess with calling my broker, what with the time change and all, and getting her out of bed in California to sell off some pork bellies just so I could be released in time to catch Larry King on CNN. What a hassle. The personal ATM worked out quite well though and they really don't abuse it too much and I always make sure that it never runs dry so they don't hassle me like they did a few months ago to the poor guy in line at First! They wouldn't let him in... apparently it had something to do with the fact that his mafia tail wasn't dressed appropriately, but who knows!

Seriously... BO, please re-read your post! Does it sound like a fantasy? Go to the Moscow Times and read a few issues. Do you think they are hiding the fact that there are thousands of tourists and businessmen being kidnapped and tortured for cash? Believe me, the mafia has much better and more profitable ways to make money than to try to shake down some guy coming to Moscow to see the dead guy and get laid! NOW, if you go to Spb, it is a different story, but it's not the mafia it is the militia and gangs. Be careful in Spb every minute of the day.

BUT, if you don't want to screw with the militia, visas, etc, just go to Ukraine. In fact, any multiple week visit to the FSU, should include Ukraine because you'll immediately see the difference in the attitude of people and every thing costs a lot less.

In any case, don't worry about safety, just don't be a stupid jerk and do something dumb... find a wingman if you can and all will be OK. Apartments are fine if you can find one in the center, and never rent one outside the center, all of my comments are not valid very far outside of the brown circle line of the metro.

Blastoff
03-20-06, 09:48
Many thanks for the info.

I have mongered in many of the poorest 3rd world countries so I think that a lousy apartment in Moscow will be a luxury next to a grass hut in a remote island off the Philippines but thanks for the advice on the mafia. I thought is was a lot more serious than that. Are you suggesting that moving around Moscow will be no more dangerous for a white tourist than say moving around New York? I am very interested to hear your feed back and thanks again.


Blastoff:

"...my only real concern is the Russian Mafia. I do not speak Russian and am thinking of travelling there alone. I... I am hearing is that the Mafia has people reporting the arrival and movements of tourists from the time they arrive at the airport till they leave. I hear that tourists are often kidnapped and tortured and extorted for money, some times for weeks as they are forced to sell their homes and transfer the money to the gangsters account before they are released or killed."

Maybe in Chechnya, but not in Moscow. There are no mafia problems to worry about. The only problems with apartments are:

a) you must get your visa registered
b) you should get a centrally located apt
c) the cleanliness standard of some apartments isnt on par with a hotel
d) many apartments have lousy plumbing/water pressure

If you aren't EE experienced, apartments may not be right for you. Some apts are just great, most are average and a lot suck as well.

Western hotels are fine for pro action. Russian hotels are not. I chose apartments because they are cheaper and are better when have your freebie regular girlfriends over.

Cicciolino:

"I cannot recommend Rick's apartments at all. Rick has such a big chaos in everything that you have to contact him by email and telephone ten times before getting an apartment. His apartments are mostly older and in bad conditions..."

My experience wasnt as bad as yours, but it is true that he is a bit expensive and you should DEFINITELY book off of the www.moscow-star.com site and not the www.enjoymoscow.com site. The apartments on the moscow-star site are the better apartments. He operates both sites. All his apartments have internet access though, which I consider a big advantage.

Blastoff
03-20-06, 09:55
Blastoff... You really have it nailed... MAN, I just barely made it out of Moscow alive. The worst thing is having that mafia thug trying to keep up with me everyday for two years... Sometimes I even had to slow down so he could catch up. The worst thing is when I'd go to a tochka and feel like I "had" to get him a girl too! Man, what a hassle... Then, going to clubs... No wonder everything is so damn expensive in Moscow... You have to pay for your "tail" then you had to try to find something for yourself!

In fact, it got so bad that I actually got a separate ATM card just to give to them... that way I didn't have to mess with calling my broker, what with the time change and all, and getting her out of bed in California to sell off some pork bellies just so I could be released in time to catch Larry King on CNN. What a hassle. The personal ATM worked out quite well though and they really don't abuse it too much and I always make sure that it never runs dry so they don't hassle me like they did a few months ago to the poor guy in line at First! They wouldn't let him in... apparently it had something to do with the fact that his mafia tail wasn't dressed appropriately, but who knows!

Seriously... BO, please re-read your post! Does it sound like a fantasy? Go to the Moscow Times and read a few issues. Do you think they are hiding the fact that there are thousands of tourists and businessmen being kidnapped and tortured for cash? Believe me, the mafia has much better and more profitable ways to make money than to try to shake down some guy coming to Moscow to see the dead guy and get laid! NOW, if you go to Spb, it is a different story, but it's not the mafia it is the militia and gangs. Be careful in Spb every minute of the day.

BUT, if you don't want to screw with the militia, visas, etc, just go to Ukraine. In fact, any multiple week visit to the FSU, should include Ukraine because you'll immediately see the difference in the attitude of people and every thing costs a lot less.

In any case, don't worry about safety, just don't be a stupid jerk and do something dumb... find a wingman if you can and all will be OK. Apartments are fine if you can find one in the center, and never rent one outside the center, all of my comments are not valid very far outside of the brown circle line of the metro.

Nice. Thanks for the ribbing and the advice. I asked earlier and I will ask again, can getting around in Moscow safety wise be compared to getting around New York City in your opinion?

Doctor_Skank
03-20-06, 10:13
Blastoff:

Moscow is as safe as New York, especially if you are white. It's only dangerous if you are in the distant suburbs, drunk or behaving in a stupid fashion.

You should take normal "big city" cautions, such as avoiding be drunk alone, avoiding walking late at night (take a cab) etc. etc.

One monger-related hazard seems to be drugged drinks at CF (Boarhouse), a popular pick up bar. I have been drugged there before, as has a colleague of mine... after talking to the girls they reported that it is fairly common. So if you go there, watch your drink. Same goes if you take a girl home, make sure you keep an eye on your drink.

Of course things can happen in Moscow and occasionally do, but it isnt something to be paranoid about.