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05-16-02, 05:45

MRO
05-30-02, 07:16
Hello, there!

I am heading to St. Petersburg in a couple of months.

Planning to spend one week in one apartment (Nevsky Pr.?) ; is that a suitable location, I mean for night-activity ?

I have been travelling to Prague, Budapest, Warsaw, but
short-time "sessions" are not my cup of tea, though I had nice experiences (Gorgeous chicks and mostly good attitude), but I would rather go for all-nighters.
How much should I expect to pay for an all nighter?
Is this a convenient choice for SPB ?
I'm also considering to visit "Intim Salons" or try to contact Escort Agencies : any advise ?
Would you recommend any clubs ?

Thanks in advance guys and Regards

mro

Steve Stevens
06-05-02, 10:38
What is the situation with lady visitors to a room in hotels? I will be staying at the Hotel Moskva and would like to know if there is any problem in having your girl friend visiting you there in the evening and even staying overnight.

Many thanks for an urgent reply.

Dusty Bin
06-05-02, 11:25
The Hotel Moscow was the place that persuaded me to only use apartments!

They used to allow girls in for a small tip, about $20. They changed the security and women were no longer allowed at any price. I don't know if this has changed since I was last there about 2 years ago but I am not about to try it again!

get an apartment for a few days $35 and up from Tania at http://www.apartments.spb.ru

Tell her Andrew sent you!

Fotoguy1
06-07-02, 00:12
Dusty_bin--
Could you give the site address again for the apartment locator for hotels in Russia. When I try to pull it up I get an Incorrect address message. http://www.apartments.spb.ru/ ????
Thanks

Dusty Bin
06-07-02, 08:11
Sorry about that!


http://www.apartment.spb.ru


have a good time!

You might want to ask Tania about the dinner parties that she can organise!

Across69
06-10-02, 20:35
NEVER, EVER GO TO GOLDEN DOLLS

I felt like had leeches sucking on me from the moment I entered. I was there for 5 minutes and 5 girls asked me my name where I was from and, Oh Did I wand a $100 lap dance in the VIP room! $10 before 10pm and $20 after. Beers are $8 (225rb)(everywere else in SPG they are MAX $2) A total rip off place.
Yes, I got the nice come back for free pass but why put myself through that again. If you need to be harrased by women wanting your $$$ go here otherwiser go to Marstal or Tribunal.
Had a beautiful blonde for $80 + $20 for the room from Marstal for the night until 8am. BBBJ and 2 SOG and a very good massage to boot.

Dusty Bin
06-10-02, 21:14
Across69

Sorry to hear that you were disappointed with Golden Dolls. I have to confess I love the place. I usually aim to go before 10PM. It is important to be a little restrained there, be a little diffident. If they were wanting $100 for a 'private' then prices may have gone up, also my recolection was that drinks were not too bad, although if I recall correctly they serve only imported bottled beer and so it is, as in other places, significantly more costly. I usually drink to straight Scotch which was not particularly expensive.

I usually tip the girls with 50Rbl, but do not tip every time, that way they stay keen as they can hope for money but it lasts you a lot longer!.

I think I mentioned in a previous post the silly money that they want to do 'takeaway'.

Was the other place actually Marstall, not Mistral, near the Church of the Blood on Canal Griboedova? I did not know that they had rooms. That is worthwhile knowing. For me a good night starts with a walk from my apartment, usually on Fontanka, a light meal at the Chinese opposite McDonalds, followed by an hour or two in Golden Dolls and then to Marstall for the rest of the night. I usually try to find a girl who is not on the game but don't worry over much if she is and then a walk or taxi back to my apartment, depending upon the weather and my impatience.

It's a bit of a shame that I spend more time in Tallinn these days...

Across69
06-13-02, 16:59
Dusty,
Sorry misspelled. Marstalls. The hotel is actually not at Marstall is is 3 blocks south/west right behind the Kazan cathedral. It is a univerity hotel (like a youth hostel) but we got a private room for 700 rb with a shower and 2 twin beds.

I am going to try out a new place called Maximus strip club and see how it goes.
Also, the best strip club IMHO ANYWHERE in the world is Safari in Moscow. 300rb to get in and the girls give you a 1 song lap dance for only 100 RUBLES each all night!! I almost missed my train to SPG after my 20th lap dance including two brunettes that look a little like twins touching me and touching each other!! I gave them each 500rb and was an incredibly happy man for 20-30 minutes (I have no idea how long :) )
I spent only 90 minutes there and spent only about $60! I was seriously considering missing my train and going back to SPG the next day.
STRICT DRESS CODE NO JEANS/SNEAKERS

Across69
06-14-02, 17:13
Tried out Maximus last night. It was almost as bad a Golden Dolls! 300rb to get In to a nice club and cheep beer to boot (60rb). However, the similar to Dolls, 3 women dancing on a nice central 3 post marble stage but the each dancer dances for half a song then comes to you for 100rb tip. I tried to get 50rb bills from the door and the bartenders but they refused. I had some $1 bills with me so I started sliping them those. They said "too little for Russia" I'm sorry do women here make more than american strippers? Also, topless only.
Went to Marstalls and had a blast. Got drunk and almost got a freebie from the friend of the girl I got last week for 2500rb
Also tried out papa colorado "kolorado Otets" at 72 Malyy prospect out on vasilevsy island. 150rb to get into the disco plus 100 more for strip club in back. Good contact dances at your chair for 100rb but only 4 girls to chose from. The place was pretty dead and the local guys were pissing off the girls by not tipping. Got a 10min nude private dance for 1000rb. By american standards it was worth it for sure. Got trapped by the bridges though, that sucked big time.

The General
06-26-02, 08:18
i will be visiting helsinki from the usa for a few days next month. is it possible to take a train to st. petersburg for 2-3 days? here's the catch. i don't have a russian visa. can i get a russian visa on a 2-3 notice in the usa or helsinki? from what i've heard russian visas require time and that it might cost a few hundred bucks to speed up the processing. i don't think its worth hundreds of dollars for a 2-3 day stay in st. petersburg. any thoughts about this?

Dusty Bin
06-26-02, 09:22
The Russians were supposed to be introducing short stay visas, issued on the train from Helsinki. Last I knew there were problems and it had not yet started.

If you are in Helsinki for several days then 'Finnsov' travel can sort out a visa within 2-3 days. They can also help with train and accommodation. Just look in the phone book, or ask at your hotel reception for directions. (they are downtown and share their entrance with Alcatraz, which you should visit)

Cost I am not sure of, I know it is more expensive if you are American, but it is not silly money like the American agencies charge you guys! If you want to save time and money go to the Russian Embassy but you probably have other things to do, right?

BigthDikth
06-26-02, 18:10
Or go to Tallin for a couple of days and get your visa there! No visa needed to go to Tallin and nice place to hang while waiting to go to Russia

Across69
06-28-02, 18:26
Tried the service in my hotel last night (hotel Oktabryska) had a girl that offered full sex (oral, vaginal, anal) for $100 for 1 to 2 hours as she put it. very pretty and fairly sexy but very rushed and kept telling me why are you so cheap. finally refused anal and got in a huge fight with her and her pimp. Got a $20 refund and made them sorry they fucked with me. screaming in a hotel at 1am about fucking someone in the ass cannot be good for the business of the hotel, I am sure.
Got lucky at Marstal's 2 days ago for free and got an complete night with Olga for $80, 4 days ago. I love this country

Anonymous
07-02-02, 20:19
The nightclub Hollywood Nights. It is full of young hot girls. Every girl is a prostitute. it is Mafia run. I had a threesome for $150 the whole night. Also in the day a place by the docks called the Seamans Center.

I worked on a cruise ship for a few years and traveled all around the world and I know pretty much all of the good spots and what tom pay. Never more than $75 a girl! I just had to give this info out because I am amazed at the prices some of these people are paying. I once got a bj form a hot hot girl in Guatemala for $5! Urakaine is also a good spot. Oh and St. Maarten a place called the "white house" amazing.... These guys that post this info are either really dumb or really rich.

traveller2504
07-13-02, 09:23
I'm staying in the Astoria hotel next week. Does anyone have any knowledge of any in house service in this hotel as I've heard it is very difficult to get outsiders in?

Mouser40
07-14-02, 21:06
Traveler,
Astoria is one of the better hotels in St. Petersburg (stayed there 2 times), quite lavish, and stuff generally not intrusive, i.e. you
can bring girls with you (did it all the time). Hotel girls (in a bar from 11:00pm) are overpriced and not very good in general.
Popular pickup hangouts Marstall (Konushnia in Russian) and Tribunal
known to every cabby and not more then 100 rub (~$3) cab drive away. $100-$200 for one and $300 for pair should provide you with very pretty companionship for the night (sometimes security wants $20 per girl you brought with you, if they know them as pros. Only happened with me with girls from Tribunal). .
The other option is to call some agenices (one, www.nevskystyle.com, claims that operator knows english - I
did not verify, my russian is pretty good).
Have fun,
Mouser.

berm100
07-16-02, 07:46
Hi guys.....can anyone suggest the places to go to meet "semi-pro" girls just looking to make a few dollars a couple of times a month. I am talking about the college girl type who may escort every once in a while to make a little money. Where can you meet these women in St. Petersburg. I want to avoid the hardened pros. Thanks in advance.

Wanderer1000
07-18-02, 15:16
To Berm 100 - This is my first post. I just left St. Petersburg a few weeks ago. I loved the city and will be going back again for a longer visit. I'm very much into searching for the GFE also. My only bit of advice if you're going in cold is to try Linda's Agency. It's on the internet with pictures of about 50 girls. I tried a few. I do not normally like agencies (don't really know what's coming and they're more expensive). But I gave it a try with only a short visit. I would recommend a girl named Arina. She is petite and slim (don't have her picture # handy). I called for her late at night and she showed up an hour later. She was dressed very stylish (nice Italian shoes and a scarf around her neck). Very pretty face and pleasant. We had something to drink and then she took a shower. She took about 15-20 minutes in the bathroom and I was beginning to get a bad feeling, but when she came out, she was dressed in heels and nice lingerie with a nice smile. She explained that she had a cold and I had woken her up. She also had to be up at 8:00 for some exams and it was about 1:00 in the morning. She seemed very open-minded (I didn't ask for anal though) and I had a nice time. I asked for her personal number and the price in the future would be half of the agency fee. She explained she only does it part-time (she's studying economics full-time). I called a few days later when she said she would be free but she told me to call later that evening because she was studying. I wasn't able to get together again. To try to sum this up - I think this girl had a lot of potential for a GFE if you have some time to spend in town. The agency will be $100 for a 1 and 1/2 hour experience, but if you like her, it's $50 + $10 for taxi fare for her on the personal line. She'll give you 50% off + $10 for any amount the agency would charge. If I recall correctly, the agency is $130 for 2 hours, $150 for 3 hours, $200 for 6 hours, $300 for 12 hours. They tell you this when you call - it's not on the web-site. Their ad is in the St. Petersburg Times also. Anyhow, I regret not getting another chance with her. If you give her a try, please post and let me know how it goes. Hopefully, you won't catch her during final exams. This is a long post for such specific information. Hope it helps. - jak

Dusty Bin
07-18-02, 18:41
I think that you mean 'Liza' not 'Linda'. The other URL does not work and I don't recognise what it might be.

http://www.liza-escort.spb.ru

Wanderer1000
07-19-02, 16:53
Thanks dusty bin - you are right. I checked the site again. Arina is number 30 when the girls pop on the screen. She speaks reasonably good English too.

ExpatinRussia
10-02-02, 19:40
Been living in St Petersburg for one month & figured that it was about time to contribute. Marstalls is a great place to go & surround yourself with foreigeners & it is fun, bar but a lousy place to pick up girls! The girls here used to negotiate but now are set on $100 price no deals to be had. I am a younger guy & I prefer professionals to picking up "regular girls" because there is no commitment. Made the mistake of taking home a dancer from the Koko Bango the first week I was here & all she wanted to do was call me at 3:00 in the morning & ask when I was going to see her again, after seeing her twice she decided we were going to get married & started scaring off other girls. Woah! I started going to Marstalls because of the posts here & really the girls are not as attractive as they were when I visited a year ago. I never paid more than $50 then. I have taken to finding girls on www.sexbombzzz.ru where there are a number of great hot women for around 1500 rbls an hour. I did not want to give up on the girls at Marstalls but the deal was up on Friday when I stayed until closing & offered a semi attractive girl 2000 rbls for one hour. She stuck firm on $100 and she went home alone. I guess all of the guys (suckers) that were willing to part with $100 (I even heard one girl demand and get $150) have bumped up expectations. Well happy hunting.

travelman111
10-15-02, 00:12
Has anyone tried Egoist Escort Agency? There web site is http://www.egoist.spb.ru/vip-escort/vip-escort-ru.htm
Girls look pretty nice. I will be in St. Pete at end of month and will provide a review shortly thereafter.

Across69
10-17-02, 23:36
Now that the Summer (tourist season) is over, there should be a drop in the prices. Especially at the Tribunal and Marstal. If you are a night person and can wait until after 1 or 2 am to find a pro you can usually get her for the whole night (usually until 8 or 9 am) for a lot less( like $50 if you are patient). At Marstal and Tribunal MOST of the girls are pros there so if one won't deal with you, keep walking. I have never had a woman get mad at me for chatting her up and finding out she isn't a working girl. In the US you would get killed for this mistake!
As to the escort agencies, I have never ordered from them but I did make several atempts to find out about prices and services offered but always found them sketchy and expensive. I am sure that you can have a good time for $300 a night with a beautiful girl but why buy something sight unseen? I find it much easier to get a GFE with a pro that I picked up and talked to for a while first. Often, I can tell by talking to her that a beautiful women will probably be horrible in bed. If she obviously knows she is good looking and acts like she is doing you a big favor by sleeping with you, sex will be about as warm as a St. Petersburg night in January!
Berm... I would say all of the working girls there are semi-pro. They are just making ends meet like every one in Russia does. I have slept with a nurse, a midwife, a chemist(day job at restaurant), a school teacher and a married mother of 2, alll earning extra money. If you want a short term girl friend Russia is the place for you. I don't care if you look like Quasimoto, a lot of Russian women will be interested in you as long as you don't act like an asshole American. They don't seem to have most of the hangups women in other parts of the world seem to have.

Anonymous
11-03-02, 23:55
"Dominico's" does not exist anymore.

The Tribunal Bar (Dekabristov Square, next to the Bronze Horseman) is still open. No entrance fee, non-stop exotic dancers, lots of proffessional girls, and reasonably prices beer and drinks. Price range USD 100. If you don't want to take the girl to your hotel, she can take you to a student hostel close by for an extra USD 20.

"Golden Dolls" in Nevski Prospect is a striptease bar with very good looking girls, an entrance fee in the range of equalling 5-10 USD (don't remember exactly), and very expensive beer & drinks.

In most hotels there are some pros hanging around the lobby or the hotel bar. Price range from 120 USD to 300 USD corresponding to the hotel standard.

Seydlitz
11-04-02, 22:25
Can anybody recommend the services of http://www.sexbombzzz.ru ?

They seem to have quite a few cuties, and good prices too !

Thanks.

Oetziboy
11-05-02, 20:33
Hi, its my first trip to SP, I’m not the young good looking guy, rather on other side (44.y.o.) and anyting else than athletic, but I like ……those thinks too, so would you help me out ?
How do 4/5 star Htl handle gemale guest visitors ? would you suggest to book (pay) double occupancy ?Where to find them at fair price/service relation ? I would prefer to have even the same girl for a week or so.Thanks I’ll let you know if, what or not happen

CA Traveler
11-05-02, 23:14
oetziboy, let me tell you that in Russia, 44 is almost a spring chicken! Young girls seem to like an older man, which is good because I'm considerably older than you are!

There are several escort services in Spb that offer girls for several days. It is expensive compared to the actual going rates in Spb. If you take that option, you would have no problem checking into the hotels and registering her with you. OTOH, if want new girls every night and you try to bring them back to your room, you will be faced with bribing security or registering her.

I'd suggest that you consider a apartment in Spb. It is less money and you can have your privacy without having to deal with the hassle of security. There are several good sources for short-term apartment rentals in Spb.

If you decide to look for a girl that will stay for several days, there are many good places... Tribunal, Marstalls, Hollywood Nights, among others. Most of the places have been discussed here with more details. It would be considerably less expensive to find a girl that you like from the open market than to hire an escort from one of the local escort services.

If you were going to Moscow, I might give you different advice because some of the better hotels are hobby-friendly and there are fewer apartments.

BayView
11-15-02, 07:13
I'll be in St.Pete for my 3rd trip this December (3rd to 11th). Anyone else here going to be there?

Across69
12-09-02, 14:37
To anyone going to SPG, Do NOT the the girls in your hotel! Go to Tribunal or Mistral and fuck your brains out for 60 to 100$ a NIGHT! If you want something unusual just ask her before you leave the bar and let her do all the talking at the taxi and the hotel security desk. This the the best country to get a GFE if you want it! My experience is that most Russian women are unhappy in bed and you can fuck them' til they scream and make you both happy!

Doctor_Skank
12-16-02, 15:18
Hi! Have to agree with the Marstall's tip... I was in St.Pete about a week ago and even though I had planned on trying out a few mobile numbers I had received on the internet, I ended up going to Marstalls instead since it was f$%&ing cold and I had no desire to screw around with meeting places or anything like that, especially with my poor Russian. I had been to Marstall's before, and just as I remembered, no matter what night, the place gets jumping about midnight. And the strippers dancing give you some fantastic crotch views. Even though it had been about 2-3 months since I was last there, I recognized some of the girls, who ranged in quality from a surely freebie 4-5 and a very doable 6-8. Contact very easy for everybody except the incredibly shy. Besides the mongering, it is just a fun place to booze it up and watch your fellow expats make total idiots out of themselves...even saw one disco king suddenly seize his wild flailing dance routine and stumble off the floor clutching his side in pain with a major side cramp...thought it might have been a heart attack, but he was only about 25 years old! I suggest making contact with the Russian GUYS as well...they are fun to talk to and will likely ease your contact to the girls... I was approached by two girls named Anja and Natasha... probably could have had both for $ 100 had I been quicker but I hung out too long and Anja soon found herself a John and I ended up taking dark-haired and cute Natasha for 2000 rubles. She was the cuter one anyway...a 6 normally...but an 8 after a few vodka and Coronas! And a 9 by American standards! And I didn't bargain hard. Was good standard sex... condomless BJ and kissing etc. Maybe she'll do more...didn't try. I was really tired after a hard business day. She stayed until about 8 am.

By the way...anybody try to take the strippers from Marstalls home? After their routines they hang out in street clothes there. One Georgian guy told me (a couple months back) that they could be had for $50... seems unreal, but anybody have any experience here? The strippers are the hottest girls in the place.

Dusty Bin
12-16-02, 19:18
The Georgian guy was winding you up...

The strippers might be available for around $400, if you are not careful you will get a pasting from their 'boyfriends'. They are all stunners but they are not on the game. If you want to tempt them you have to make it worth thier while. If you want a really good looking bird, go to Golden Dolls and take a girl out back and ask about take out. You might hit lucky but again epensive, figure on $250 on their night off.

THese girls are about the best you will get. The real best is not available to most of us...

Doctor_Skank
12-16-02, 20:17
Hi dusty bin,

Thanks... guess the Georgian guy was winding me up...or didn't know himself...he was a tourist like me and maybe expected Georgian prices. Your info pretty much confirms what I assumed. And why I didn't approach the strippers. I knew $50 was unrealistic, but thought maybe some of the girls might be had for $150. Still bet it is possible with some of the girls though...ALMOST everything has its price in Russia. $250 for a golden dolls girl is a rip off in my book too, though. Still, it isn't impossible to meet strippers privately... I've done it in Moscow.... at a small club around the Marriott Aurora called Tsunami with a tall blonde with huge tits named Masha. Got lucky I guess. Maybe she still works there, you'd recognize her...she's 5'10", 38D tits, blonde hair and smooth skin...no cellulite. When I met her privately about 3 years ago she was 19...so I suppose she moved on by now. She gave me her mobile number right in the club. I told her I was an artist and wanted to draw her... and did. And more.

Any other places in St.Pete to recommend?

BTW: when I was last at Marstalls, the pimp seemed to be there. A huge Russian guy with glasses who was fondling and picking up (in the literal sense) every non-attached girl in the place and throwing them around the dance floor... they all smiled and seemed to love it....and the whole crew working there gave him a lot of lee-way and respect. Anyone know how the system works... do the "freelance" working girls have to pay to get in or give up a commission or something? I am not looking for a new line of work, just curious!

Dusty Bin
12-16-02, 21:39
It's been a while since I was there and things may have changed...

But this is what I know.

There are several 'classes' of girls there. The 'civilians', 'amateurs' and professionals. The civilians are ordinary girls who are just up for a night out. Some are lovely, some are not. Unfortunately most speak little English but like most Russian girls they go out with an empty purse and dont want to be in the cold until the bridges go down. THis is the best bunch, no need to pay, just buy the drinks and be nice; maybe a bite to eat at the cafe on the corner of Nevsky and Gribodaeva?

Next are the amateurs, often students, most will speak some English. They tend to be opportunists, only ocasionally picking up a guy, normally they are civilian and will go with a foreigner if they like him/need to pay the rent/buy that new handbag.

Last are the professionals. They don't work for the house, they pay rent. About $100 per week IIRC. You can often spot them as they stand on their own at the edge of the dancefloor although they are often with friends. Some have pimps others not. The pimps are often sitting at the back left hand side at those big wooden tables. Often the pimps are women. If you ask them what they are doing they will be open and tell you they work there.

A girl that you pull who says something about going to say goodbye to her friends is telling her pimp the details of the deal. You'll see her go to the back.

As far as I know, the house does not run a stable; however If a girl is too regular she will be spotted and have to pay rent.

The whole deal makes the place fairly safe, if you have problem with a girl tell the security and they will give her a 'customer service lesson', when the bruises heal she can go back to work. It does enforce honesty!

Ther used to be a price 'cartel' that was hard to bust, although the amateurs were not always in the know.

My guess is that the guy was not a pimp, they are usually very discreet. I dont know who he is though, maybe the owner, often girls like to be associated with owners/managers.

THe strippers are in general not available. Usually dancers consider themselves a cut above the tarts and so suggesting P4P does not go down well except for silly money. (mind you if they work well then it might just be the most lovely woman that you ever get to shag...) They have 'boyfriends' who might not take kindly to your advances. I heard a story about a German guy who made unwelcome advances who got a bit of a pasting. If you want to try, I'd be inclined to chat them up normal style and see how it goes.

I hope that helps

Doctor_Skank
12-17-02, 12:20
Dusty Bin,

Thanks for the insight. Some new info for me and also some confirming what I've pieced together. The girl I had for 2000 rubles was a definite regular, and like several others there stood circling the dance floor, occassionally showing her goods on the dancefloor and seeking contact.

Take it easy, and if you have any other insight on St.Pete it is appreciated.

Later,
doc skank

Tits_Lover
12-17-02, 13:00
Hi guys,
any info on some cute young girl in SPB who wants to travel a bit to meet me ? I checked different web site (e.g. Liza escort) and they quote some $600 for 1 day plus $150 (trip).
Any info about getting a nie girl for 1-2 days outside of SPB ?

Cheers

Dusty Bin
12-17-02, 18:48
Tits_lover

Why not get a girl from Tallinn. Still probably Russian! No vsa worries and probably less expensive.

Tits_Lover
12-24-02, 11:24
Originally posted by dusty_bin
Tits_lover

Why not get a girl from Tallinn. Still probably Russian! No vsa worries and probably less expensive.

You are right but I like to idea of checking the pics on the internet beforehand, asking the services and details.
About Tallinn: I haven't found a real gem to spend a weekend with even from those working-house (e.g. club 16 etc).
Where to find for nice young girls with pics ?
Eita

Dusty Bin
12-25-02, 01:54
Ah well there is a difference for you! I don't like brothels and I like to scout my own...

So the answer to your question is that I can not help you much...

If you want advance information on specific girls then I would be looking at Baltic Beauties or Le Fantasy (Google the names and they will be there). But they are bloody expensive. For the money, I would go to Tallinn and hit Olumpia (Bonny and Clyde) at about 23:00. Talk to the girls there, you should find something very nice and may be surprised on cost. There is also a woman often there with a string of very attractive girls. I think that she has them lined up for specific guys. Never bothered checking. SHe is short and chubby acting as mother hen to maybe six girls. They are always young and beautiful. I think she could sort you out.

Escort services seem to be running at about $300 for the night when prearranged. The girls will usually be model quality but will want to be discreet. Often will not go to restaurants and clubs but will keep you busy in the hotel room...

No contact information here as my friend has not given me the contact info, I will ask!

On the whole, I would go to Olumpia, see what you want and ask fairly directly, just make sure she is not with a boyfriend! RIght hand end of the bar is a good start8ing point, or the stool tables on the narrow section of the walkway round the front of the dancefloor before the bar.
It has been very good for me.

Lurking60
01-07-03, 00:27
To Anyone who can help:

Will be visiting Moscow and St. Pete in early April. Is there such a thing as a red light district in either city? If so, what are the locations?

If not, are there less expensive places than what is being discussed on this board? Somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 to $60 for a good solid hour or two.

Thanks in advance

Lurking60

Dusty Bin
01-07-03, 16:09
As far as I know, there is nothing of a red light district in Saint Petersburg.

There are Russian web sites where girls are less expensive to rent, but there are problems. They do not speak English and the sites are in Russian. It is not easy to find your way round.

If you are queasy about spending decent money then the best thing to do is rent an apartment rather than take a hotel. Use the money you save to rent women.

That should even out nicely, especially as you will not have to bribe the security staff to get a girl into your apartment, unlike a hotel!

BigthDikth
01-07-03, 18:39
When I was in SP I found a place that gave erotic massage-two young hot girls for one hour for about $25 US. I also saw girls hitching for rides away from the city center. My guess is the girls hitching rides were about as cheap as the massages. This was about two years ago. I suggest hooking up with a local and having him help, for it seemed to me that hotties were all over the place and can be had for cheap if you know were to look.

Lurking60
01-08-03, 00:35
**BigthDikth, dusty_bin**


Thanks fellas. I appreciate your responses.

Doctor_Skank
01-08-03, 13:30
lurking60:
based on my experience and reading the site here, it is getting harder and harder to find anything decent for 50 bucks. if you aren't into trying for freebies, which are possible with some effort and luck, you maybe could try the internet sites like <http://love.mail.ru/category/1500.html> or the higher scale www.dosug.nu
this might be the best bet for cheaper action, there you can at least get the mobile numbers of some working girls there, but will need some place to take them.

if you'd rather go to a bar to check out the selection, which is more fun for me anyway, the pick up bars in st.pete are marstalls and tribunal. in moscow there are several, check out the www.exile.ru site. they have a bar and club guide with very useful info, including some price indications...reading between the lines. you might be able to get a girl for $50 in low-season in st.pete at one of the pick up bars there, in moscow it will be much tougher. seems to me that prices are about $80 and up in moscow for this kind of bar girl...quality ranging from very average to very good. really hot babes will want at least $100 and probably considerably more, especially if there are a lot of other johns mongering. but still, it is all possible on a budget with patience, luck and some bargaining skill. i usually pay from $70-100, but have paid as much as $150 in moscow. you can obviously pay a lot more too, of course. i've never paid less than $50 in either city...and didn't feel like trying either.

you should read through old posts too, most of the info is still pretty current and it'll give you a better idea of where to go. seems to me that in moscow there is no central place really, as the scene is rep001tered at various clubs, bars and discos and the increasingly popular sauna clubs and the like...besides the above-mentioned outcall services.

in st.pete i'd just try marstalls or tribunal for starters. it is really easy access and unintimidating for the first time russia visitor with little or no russian language skills. in moscow doug and marty's boar house serves the same purpose. maybe won't be as cheap as other options, but shouldn't cost more than $100 either. some girls to look at, some like minded expats will be there too. after an initial round of fun here, you could try something more adventurous like outcall or a sauna/massage place which could be cheaper too.

Joe1963
01-11-03, 11:08
I am travelling to St P in Feb, what hotels can you recommend for girls in the lobby ?

Octatron
01-11-03, 22:37
Well it's been a few years since I've been to SPB.

If money is no problem. The Grand Europe Hotel definitely has some lobby girls if I recall. But I never tried them. Its one of the best hotels in Russia. However I presume they will ask for many $$$$.

I'm sure there others on this board that can provide more insight.

Dusty Bin
01-12-03, 13:36
The simple answer is: don't go for lobby girls. They are expensive and will only stay long enough for you to chuck your muck and then they will be gone.

IMOH you will better enjoy yourself if you get a girl from a club, you will have someone to share a drink with, maybe join you for a few hours in the evening and almost certainly stay overnight. All for the cost of an hour with one of the lobby girls.

If you have the opportunity (funds), make sure that you have a double room and that they know your companion will check in later. It will probably save you hassle from security. With a bit of luck they will just give you the second room card/key when you ask.

Across69
01-13-03, 07:12
Joe,
Dusty is right.... The hotel girls are expensive and always in a hurry. I had a bad expierence at the Hotel Oktabryska (across from the train station to Moscow) with a girl who agreed to several things, called up the hotel pimp to take my $100 then gave me a crappy time for about 40 min. Its like the peanuts in the fridge in your room they are real convienient and pretty but expensive and not very good, usually.
Go to Marstal's or Tribunal bar. Pick up a pro for $50-150 FOR THE WHOLE NIGHT after you talked with her and found the best from a selection of 30-50 women rather than the 3-4 found at most hotels. Bring her back to your hotel and let her do all the talking and I have never had to pay more than $7 to get them in. One girl even paid this for me as a repeat customer. Otherwise, there is student hotel behind the Kazaan cathedral that all the Pros know about for $12 a night.
The next time I go to SPG I will rent an apartment for $40-60 a day that will avoid all the hassles of a hotel (I never made it to the damn free breakfasts anyway!). Just find a russian speaking travel agent to set this up for you as it is actually very commonly done.

Also, if you like a women you have had already and want her for another night the next night will be cheaper. They probably realize you might want to try as many different girls as possible during your stay. My girl Olga from Marstal's was so great we had 3 nights together. (night 1 $100, nights 2 and 3 $50 each)


One last thing.. I was stopped at 3am by 2 Cops on the Petrograd side of the Niva in July and had $300 taken from me. Russians are afraid of local cops and have no repect for them. The TV show "COPS" had some episodes in Russia a while back and almost all people arrested tried to escape from the cops even when it was for something stupid like and expired motorcyle registration. The police in Russia are NOT there to help you unless you have powerful friends backing you up.

ChicagoBoy23
02-04-03, 07:12
I am headed to St. Petersburg in May for a weekend.

Any suggestions on good hotel.

I would prefer to bar hop to hire some evening fun so preferably a nice hotel which is visitor friendly.

Thanks in advance.

Chicagoboy23

Doctor_Skank
02-04-03, 14:41
Chicago Boy,

I've taken girls back to the Grand Hotel Europe Kempinski without incident... but this is THE most expensive hotel in town. From reading the posts below, it seems that most western hotels, such as the Sheraton Neysky Palace and the Astoria have the same policy.

If you are looking for a hotel or any accomadation in St.Pete, I suggest to book now, as the 300 year anniversary is being celebrated in St.Pete this year and the festivities really get rolling around May... so expect hotels to be full and $$$.

Good luck and happy hunting!

JackDaniels
02-04-03, 23:46
Hotels in St Petes are really expensive and can be a hassle to bring a girl back. I stayed at an old Soviet style hotel called Hotel St Petersburg. The renovated rooms were still of poor quality and cost USD100 per night ! I also had to tip the security man (I forget how much) to let the girl in. Also you need to be careful which part of town you stay in due to the bridges going up at night and you will need to stay up in the bars till about 4pm until the the bridges come down again. Yes, I had to do that as this hotel was on the other side. Nevertheless, I did pick up a girl at Marstalls having agreed on USD 60 and she provided OK service including a CBJ. This is a good bar but don't go too late - I got there at 2.00 in the morning.

I think the smart thing to do is to get an apartment near Nevsky Prospect.

I got an excellent guide, a very nice girl called Elena. She is NOT an escort - very pretty and very friendly. She has a web site http://www.russianhost.8m.com/. She can get you an apartment in the right place for much less than a hotel.

Have fun.

Cheers.

ChicagoBoy23
02-05-03, 08:24
Has anybody stayed at Sheraton in St. Petersburg ?

ChicagoBoy23
02-06-03, 02:55
Ouch - they want $420/'night

How is SAS/Radisson?

Thanks in advance.

Oetziboy
02-06-03, 21:50
HI Chicagoboy23
I've stayed several times (maybe some 10 all in all) at Radisson SAS, also I tried Renessaince, Marriot Tverskaya and Marco Polo, Radisson is Ok if you choose renovated rooms, breakfast is great, some different Restaurants (all good food) no hassle with girls, just go to first florr to get the elevator, there is a Night Club too, I've been asked for USD 500.-, later she joined (only for a drink) a long chat at the Bar, all for the taxi back home trip.....beside this Radisson is 3 min. from Metro station Slavjanskaya which is sure another plus if you're there for doing you job (as I did)
Marco Polo is terrible......I chekced in with my ex girlfirend and she has been treated -worst- than any pro could be, Marriot no problem at all

OttoGraham
02-06-03, 23:01
When visiting St. Petersburg on your own budget (which means you don't have $300 a night for a hotel), one of the better ideas is to rent an apartment. There are a number of apartment rental agencies advertising on the internet. Look through them carefully, and get some references before you commit.

One problem you will run into is the question of visas. Normally, to get a visa you need your hotel to fax you a confirmation. You then submit this confirmation with your visa application to the Russian embassy. When you get to St. Pete, your hotel normally stamps this visa, which must be done in order for you to exit from the country without problems. Unfortunately, most apartment rental people are unable to do this registration for you.

When I have visited St. Pete in the past, I have gotten a faxed invitation from the St. Petersburg International Hostel (I think the web addy is www.hostel.spb.ru). They will do the invitation for you for about $40-50. When you get to St. Pete, you can settle into your apartment, but you will also have to go to the hotel, which will take your passport from you for about 3 days, and have it stamped by the police (unlike the hotels, they can't stamp it for you).

All around, you should be able to have a good stay in St. Pete by using this advice, for no more than about $75 a night. As for the rest of your stay, you fellows are on your own, as I've never needed to pay anything except attention in order to spend the night with a nice and willing Russian girl. No bragging, just fact.

I hope this helps!

JackDaniels
02-06-03, 23:32
As I understood it when I went there, the invitation can be issued by someone other than a hotel. It can even be issued by a travel agent or by Elena (whom I have mentioned in an earlier post). In other words, it is not accomodation linked, though of course when you apply for a visa, you will be asked where you are going to be staying. This need not be where the invitation has come from.

In my view, St Petes is not worth going to purely for mongering purposes. For crying out loud, what do you need to do to get a Russian girl to smile ? There are quite a few beauties but not as many as in many other places in the world. IMHO, this may be a way to round off a day that has been spent enjoying the other sights that St Petes has to offer.

Cheers.

ChicagoBoy23
02-07-03, 07:02
Thanks for hotel tips !

OttoGraham
02-07-03, 18:05
Jack,

Yes, and individual can do an invitation. However, it is a hassle for them, and takes time. The hostels in St. Pete do it in 24-48 hours by fax, and they do it as a business, so there is no problem with finding a person to invite. All in all I think this is a better method.

BTW in the past I have had a hotel reservation, gotten an invitation from them, got my visa, and then cancelled the reservation, and still had the visa registered by the hostel. But I wouldn't recommend it, not since I learned the hostels will do the invitations themselves.

I am also told the hotels will register/stamp your visa if you bribe somebody. However, I've not done this personally. Also, on one occasion I didn't even get my visa stamped at all, and had no problems exiting. On another occasion, there was a rip in the paper of my visa, and you would think from the reactions of the passport control that I was trying to smuggle out a neutron bomb (they still let me out without any broken bones or bribes, hee hee). Rule is, it depends on who you're dealing with.

Doing the hostel-invitation apartment route has caused me no problems, and should work for you all too.

-Uncle Otto

Lurking60
03-12-03, 19:00
Hey all....

Just have a quick question.

Is there a web guide that lists all Salons or Brothels in Moscow and St. Petersburg with addresses? With ratings or feedback reports possibly? I leave on April 2nd for Moscow and will be spending my time there and in St. Pete for about 10 days. Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks in Advance
Lurking60

Lurking60
03-19-03, 01:02
**Question***


Staying at the Sovetskaya in St. Pete in April. Are there any good brothels (and inexspensive) near there? Names and locations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

JackDaniels
03-24-03, 23:22
Has anyone figured out a way to make a (non pro) Russian girl to smile :) ?

Cheers.

Dusty Bin
03-25-03, 00:25
Make her happy?

Mouser40
03-31-03, 14:04
If you looking for good brothel in St.Pete, the answer is simple: there aren't any. Well, to be precise, there are no brothels which will satisfy you from sanitary and comfort perspective. Girls there tired of abuse from local clientele, who often wants to squeeze every second from negotiated price (often $30/hour or less, and they actually getting 30% of it - the rest goes to "MAMKA"). And shock after visiting bathroom there can really limited your ability to perform :).

If your budget is slim, rent an apprtment instead of hotel (cheaper and better, no harrasment), and use aforementioned clubs to bed a nice girl ($100-$150 for a whole night).

Or go escort - nevskystyle.com, for example, will deliver door-to-door a nice girl for $100/2 hours.
The fact is - vast majority of good girls work outside of brothels.

Lurking60
04-08-03, 18:27
**FYI**

I did find a place today just wondering around. Called Salon SPA "AELITA" they are at 179 Moskovsky Prospect (St. Petersburg). Next to the Jaguar Dealership. You have to go around to the side of the building near the very back and ring the buzzer. The administrator will buzz you in. I purchased a 60 minute erotic body massage for 1200 rubles and recieved an amazing massage and hand release from an 18 year old ex Ballarina. HOLY COW brothers. She was sooooo hot, and didn't even ask for any money but I insisted on tipping here 500 rubles. You would have thought I gave her a million by her reaction.
Normally I dig the full on Brothel thing. However, this was a great change of pace. I will return this evening or early in the morning and try the 2 girl soapy erotic massage. If any of the fellow mongers make it out to St. Petersburg, you definately need to check this place out. When I return I will see just how far they are willing to go to please. But they are all very nice and fun. Sat with the girls at the admin desk for an hour after my session just shooting the shit and cracking jokes. Oh yeah, their number is 387-1408 and 387-1415 and they speak good english. Also, they have a nice place, clean and in good repair. Great atmosphere. Anywho, going to have a little dinner now.

Will update on my next adventure.
Peace

Lurking60
04-09-03, 06:59
Salon SPA "AELITA" - Update

It's official - no penetration. However, had the 2 girl erotic massage this morning (they are 24 hours btw), and it was pretty great. They will do just about everything to simulate actual sex, tit fucking, hand release, and they will sit on you and jerk you while they rub their sweet spot against you. They use a lot of baby oil also. Have had 3 different girls and all rate between 8 and 9.5 (no one is perfect in my book). 2 of the 3 girls performance I would say was outstanding. The third was also good, but unfortunately for her I was comparing her against the other 2. Seems the ages range from 18 to mid 20's and there are a few different types of girls to choose from. The receptionist is probably one of the hottest girls I have seen - too bad she's not in the line up. I asked her if her picture was in the book of choices and she said no, that she is an "Administrator". Seemed a little too young and Hot to be a Mamasan, but hey more power to her.

I do think that if you have a little spare time to spend in St. Pete that you could most certainly talk one of the girls into spending time with you in her off hours. Unfortunately, I know absolutely no Russian and my plane leaves tonight for Moscow. No time to Mack.

Well, that's all from St. Pete. Next stop Moscow, to try some of the tips from our good brother "BodyRockerForU".

Peace

Max #01
04-17-03, 21:46
Making my first trip to St Pete in early June. I'm a veteran of the Moscow scene and have posted a couple of times over there.

I've read through the advice for St Pete and am interested in calling one of the agencies, either Liza's or one of the others listed in the online St Pete Times.

I travel with a group of colleagues, so I can't go out on the hunt or walk into the hotel lobby with someone (especially a gorgeous Russian lady!) who obviously isn't part of our group.

Does anyone have any recent experiences with Liza's, Egoist, or Elite Girls? Specifically, do they operate like a "traditional" US escort service (i.e. incall or outcall?) I think I understand the fee structure, so I'm OK with that.

I'm not sure which hotel I'll be staying at yet, so I'd also appreciate any advice about how a girl from one of the agencies can get up to your room. Also, are you expected to give her cab fare home and/or walk her downstairs?

Can't wait....

Noah Chapin
04-21-03, 05:00
I'm going to be staying in St. Petersburg at the pulkovskaya hotel May 5th thru the 17th. I was wondering if anyone knew any reputable escort agencies I could call when I get out there? I have also heard that Tribunal is a good place to check out. Is it safe for someone who does not know any Russian? Is St. Petersburg accesible for most tourists with no experience with the Russian language?

Any info is appreciated


Noah Chapin

Lurking60
04-22-03, 03:46
Noah Chapin

Just returned from Moscow and St. Pete recently and can say as a person who ONLY speaks english....St. Petersburg is very accessable to the tourist. Much, Much more than in Moscow. Seems to be more people around that know english and more people around that actually want to help a tourist out.
I cannot comment on the Escort Services, I was only there for 3 days and was quite happy with the girls in the hotel bars on site. There is a local paper (I forget the name), printed in English. You can usually pick up a current copy in the cabs or in any one of the Hotels there.

PS - I might suggest getting a English to Russian phrasebook of sorts (just as a backup). I used mine quite a bit, but more for fun with the girls than an actual need. If not, stick with the cabbies or the hotel personel and you will get along without problems.

Good luck - Happy hunting

Dusty Bin
04-24-03, 10:09
It is a while since I was in Saint Petersburg, but all the old names seem to be there still, just one question.

One of my favourite places to start a night out is Golden Dolls. What are the going rates for tips for the dancers and for privates?

Thanks!


PS are there any other similar places? There used to be one on a boat on the river, near Tribunal, is it still there?

Doctor_Skank
04-24-03, 14:18
dusty_bin,

Last time I was there was about 3 months ago and entrance fee was still 500 rubles, luckily I had an old free entrance coupon which they accepted. Girls were top as usual, prices were varied, from $30 up for various services from their "crazy menu". Opening price for a full-fledged private dance was $100. I wasn't interested, as $100 will get you a lot more a few blocks down the street.

Standard tip is 100 rubles. I've gotten away with 50 before, but really 100 is expected.

Check out this site though, this shows rooms and such that I have never seen at GD...maybe I haven't been curious enough to explore all possibilities...

http://www.golden-dolls.ru/

By the way, in those private dance rooms do you get a blow job or something, or is it just a full on naked "friction dance"?

Dusty Bin
04-24-03, 14:39
I found the pics of the other rooms under VIP1 heading.

It explains something...

I was talking to a girl there once, she told me that there were bedrooms. I have never seen them. The girls are available for full sex for the right money. IIRC I was asked for $400 for a couple of hours. I have only ever been in the cubicles at the back of the bar.

Prices seem to have gone up somewhat. I do not ususally do the private thing, I prefer to tip well and often and enjoy the girls in the booths...
Tips are about what I usually paid, although I do not tip them all, all the time. Sometimes I don't, at random, that way they keep on approaching me, but I save a little money and they work hard to make sure I want to pay up!

I have in the past enjoyed two girls in a private cubicle for just over $80. No sex, blow job from the two girls, plenty of kissing and playing around. In its own way I thought good value for money. If privates are now starting at $100 then it's too rich for me.

The VIP rooms must be bloody expensive, but the girls look, as always, delicious!

For me a good night, on my own, can be to go dinner, then Golden Dolls, walk down to Marstall, chat a few girls up, take one home, bad a bing! Perfect 'loner' night out!

Seydlitz
04-24-03, 14:43
Last time I was at Golden Dolls (in Summer 2001), I had full service in one of the rooms at the back. But the romm was nothing like they show on the site (it was a grotty dark room with an old armchair, that they used for the private dances).

The whole experience was not so good; it was very hot, the music was extremely loud, and the place was really not comfortable. On the plus side, the girl I was with was a 19-year old brunette with lovely tits, and she was very easygoing (BBBJ etc.)

Before you ask, I do not remember how much I paid, but that was a lot of money by local standards. I agree that there are much better deals to be found.

Besides the full sex thing, that I had to ask quite a few girls for before I found one who was willing, the private dances can be very nice in one of the rooms. I had one with another cute brunette, who rubbed her skin with ice cubes in a very sexy way. She then allowed me to lick her tits and all. With the melted ice and the salty sweat (eek !) that made a session rather out of the ordinary...

Doctor_Skank
04-24-03, 14:55
dusty_bin,

Your St.Pete action plan sounds a bit like mine. Occassionally I hit normal places to chat up normal girls (with mixed success) but on an average biz trip I do pretty much the same as you do...eat up, let the girls at GD get me all hot and then go to Marstall's to shop around....

Didn't quite understand your post though, did you get a blow job, or not? I have always understood that private dance is just a full nude version of what you get anyway from the normal dancers at your table...so it seemed a waste of money to me. But what goes on behind closed doors is probably a matter of negotiation. Girls have asked if I wanted to go to the hotel before, but it was all $300+.

BTW: I agree that even non-sex experiences can be great...really one of the most satisfying experiences I have ever had with a working girl/dancer anywhere was when a petite hardbody Natasha sat on my lap for 20 minutes at GD and whispered a long Pushkin poem seductively in my ear while wiggling her ass sensously on my attentive Johnson...really blew my mind, and almost my load...and all for an extra tip of 200 rubles. I was shell-shocked by her for 3 days afterwards.... so it goes....

Dusty Bin
04-24-03, 16:49
As Seydlitz said...

BBJ. two girls at work.

It was in the little cubicle. A very memeroable experience. The problem is that you don't know what you are going to get...
On other occasions I have had for almost the same money a girl stripping off and playing with ice and fruit, hardly any contact.

The time with the two girls, I had done privates with one girl before and always tipped her well as she seemed to enjoy her work and was a horny little minx; a little older than some.

ChicagoBoy23
04-25-03, 05:06
going to be in St. Petersburg next weekend May 2-4

first time visitor to SP

any fellow mongers who want to hit the strip clubs e-mail me

chicagoboy23a@yahoo.com

ChicagoBoy23
05-06-03, 21:53
Just got back from St. Petersburg. Highly recommend city.

Met an awesome 21 year old student at Tribunal. She was very enthusiastic and extremely hot.

Girls here are great.

Price was $150 for night.

Sightseeing was good to. However its still very cold in May. It actually sleeted and I saw chunks of ice in the river.

ChicagoBoy23
05-11-03, 06:48
Marstal bar
Tribunal bar

ChicagoBoy23
05-11-03, 06:48
Marstal bar
Tribunal bar

Zadig
05-25-03, 05:48
I've been a lurker here for some time, but decided to put in my two cents worth about my favorite city. A couple of observations about St. Petersburg from someone who has spent a bit of time there...Stay away from most of the strip clubs on or near the city center (like Golden Dolls), as other posters have alluded to it is definitely YMMV. At best, you will overpay for decent service, something that you can get elsewhere for MUCH less.

A couple of alternatives, if you like the strip club scene are the boat on the Neva. Last spring it docked on the Admiralty Embankment, just across from the Trib. Entrance fee was 300 rub on weekdays, 600 on weekends, and drinks were a little steep. But this was more than compensated for by the quality, quantity, and service provided by the talent. Between dances, the dancers would circulate. For a 50 rub. tip (no more!!) a molodaya, krasivwree devushka would rub herself on you, you could touch as much as you wanted (right at your table), and most would reciprocate the touch. Almost every single girl told me that I could take them downstairs for an hour for 40-50 USD. I didn't partake of this service, but a buddy did and said it lived up to billing. Why didn't I partake? Because I sat with one of the girls who didn't offer a visit downstairs; we made out like teenagers. She became my girlfriend for the remainder of that weeklong visit. A weeklong GFE from a great 20-year old model type. Nuff said.

Another option is the club Father Colorado. It is on Vasilevsky Island, on Bolshoy Prospekt about half a mile before the Sea Terminal. The cover charge was much less, drinks much less, but the selection was also leaner. But we went during the week each time. They have a straight up deal. You pay $100 for an hour in a room with the girl of your choice. I went with Lera, an intoxicatingly beautiful 18-year old (she said) girl from Murmansk. This was an ATF, she rocked my world. Great oral skills, every position, she even offered Greek. It was tough to pass up, even though I'm not into that. For a slight extra donation (600 rub. as I recall), she took a facial blast and didn't even blink! She was really into the sex and pleasing me, which is nice from a pro. Then on top of it, she asks me if I will take her out on a date the next night! I didn't take her up on this, because I had met someone else that was on the verge of becoming my main squeeze, but I'd do her again in a second. I realize that $100 per hour is a little high by club girl standards, but this really was worth it.

A final comment is that while Golden Dolls charges a lot more than other places (if you really want the atmosphere of GD I'd try Maximus, better value for the money), a lot of the girls there also dance in other places. My 20 year old danced at GD twice a week, and on the boat 3 times. She made it seem like a common practice.

I also have some advice on other clubs, girls, strategies, if anyone is interested. If not, happy hunting all!!

Noah Chapin
05-25-03, 21:49
Hey Zadig, nice report! Very informative to a prospective St. Petersburg traveller. This boat you mention sounds great. I was supposed to go to St. Petersburg this month, but a death in the family has delayed it for a while. When is the boat available? Is it seasonal? I would love to hear more info from you, and I'm sure quite a few would also enjoy to hear from this board also. Great report!

ChicagoBoy23
05-25-03, 22:17
Zadig:

Excellent report !

I think St. Petersburg is awesome too.

Can't wait to go back.

Just difficult flight connections from USA and visa's are inconvenience.

CB

Zadig
05-26-03, 13:38
Noah: The boat moves around some. As I said, last spring it was anchored across the street from the Trib. In the summer, it was anchored on the other side of the Neva way down by the shipyard. I found this out unfortunately after my GFE had left their employ. I had 6 weeks to spend there in the summer, and it could have been one for the books! What I would recommend is asking a taxi driver or gypsy cabbie. Most of them know the ropes pretty well. You may also get offered something else from them. I got an offer once of 3 girls for an hour for $60. I'd recommend turning them down unless you can arrange a safe place to meet. Never let someone you don't know well or have recommended to you know where you live. St. Pete isn't dangerous per se, but it's best to be safe.

chicagoboy: Yes, St. Pete is wonderful. Beyond the spectcular sex (pro and amateur) available it is a great city. If you are into jazz, check out JFC Jazz Club. It's a favorite of expats and anyone who can appreciate good music. You can also meet some good amateurs there, though it's not a great place for scoping. I also recommend that anyone going to St. Pete go see Club Metro just once (it's on Ligovsky Prospekt about 2 km from the center). Besides being an awesome spectacle (five floors of different types of bars and the coolest skinhead women security staff), you can meet great women of all types there (pros, semipros, and amateurs). I have met more than a handful of women there. Most were amateurs just looking for a good time. One girl in particular was 22 years old, told me that she managed a tour agency, and offered to give me a city tour the next day. After dinner, I got taken on a bonus trip around the world, ifun you know what I mean. This girl wasn't great looking (a 6 by Russian standards = an 8-9 American), but she was really wild. When she left the next morning, I was totally wasted. I kept falling asleep the next day during business presentations. If you go to Club Metro, go after midnight. The place comes alive then.

One point that I should make, in my posts on amateurs I'm not trying to brag, just reporting. Any man who is breathing and semi interesting should be able to find a woman in St. Pete. I am in my late 30s, about 25 pounds overweight, wear glasses, etc. My only problem with women in St. Petersburg is not getting married multiple times. Yes, I know that it probably has a lot to do with the fact that I'm Western and can provide a route to getting a green card, but I have been with women in Russia that expressed no interest at all in leaving. Russian women in general despise Russian men, and are looking for anyone that will treat them with a little respect. The key, as others have suggested here, is to be forward and a little cocky.

Regarding visas, a place that I didn't see mentioned on this board (though I may have missed it) to get an invitation letter is http://gotorussia.net (no WWW in front). They will send you an invitation letter for a tourist visa. The service is fast, I got my invitation letter within 48 hours. Then send this off with the other materials to the Russian embassy for the visa. A nice thing is that they will also register your visa for $20 when you get to St. Pete (their office is at 29 Ligovsky Prospekt, just around the corner from Metro station Moskovsky Vokzal and the Oktyabrskaya Hotel). This really helps since normal visa registration stinks.

Regarding flights, try using an airline consolidator (one online is http://www.airlineconsolidator.com). They can save you as much as 50 percent off published fares, depending on the season (less in summer).

More tips later. But I'm off to the Baltics now for three weeks. I hope to have much, much fun!!

Mohctep
05-29-03, 16:59
Hey Zadig. Iwant your job:))) Does your company hires?
I have not been in SPB in 10 years. And you seems to almost live there:) Envy envy envy........
Tell me please where is a good clubs-cafes to pick up non pros?
Also I wonder if you can coment on prices in general are they the same or just slightly lower then in Moscow? I mean prices on girls-drinks-food.
Thank you for your info.

Mike #3
06-03-03, 08:23
Russian dating sites.

I’ve been reading this forum for some time now and I will visit St. Pete this summer for business. I will be there only for 3 days unfortunately, but will try to have a GFE. I think that 2 nights is too little to find a nice girl in a bar or elsewhere so I try to prepare from here by having a look at Russian dating sites. I speak reasonable Russian (2 on a scale from 1-6), so Cyrillic should not be a problem in most cases.

Does anyone of you have (good or bad) experiences with Russian dating sites? What I found out so far is that many of them contain crap, copies of photos of other sites and fake photos that will only generate plain spam once you send them an email. (Fortunately I am using a disposable email address for this).

Regards,

Mike

Rain City
06-05-03, 03:34
Mike #3,

My buddy used Mystic Cafe (www.mysticcafe.com) before and his experience sounded very positive. Check under women of the world. I am thinking about using their service also when I go to Peter.

ChicagoBoy23
06-08-03, 15:58
Whats going on in St. Petersburg

I heard the streets were all blocked off for the 300 year anniversary with Bush, Putin etc visiting.

I know hotels were almost impossible to get.

Are things back to normal?

What is a reasonable girl friendly hotel?

Mike #3
06-12-03, 22:46
FYI
http://an.aport.ru/scripts/template.dll?lh_Objective=11&Rt=2&Tn=2&ini=20.ini&Base=love1&lh_Gender=2&l_Age=&h_Age=&l_Length=&h_Length=&lh_City=3&l_Size=&h_Size=&l_Price=&h_Price=&sf=Timestamp&sort=8

Everything's there: photos, price, phone numbers etc.

Happy hunting.

Steve H
07-02-03, 19:17
Dear all,

I'll travel to St. Pete in early July for 2 days (week days). What are the options with the guaranted results? Have had enough girls in my life, only want to travel to Russian for the very beautiful ones. don't mind money. Any suggestion?

Thanks

Steve

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Doctor_Skank
07-04-03, 21:07
In my opinion the newbie to the St.Pete scene has two easy-access options:

1) hotel girls/and or call in from the bell boy
2) pick up bars

St.Pete doesn't seem nearly as differentiated in its options as Moscow (is there even a tochka/line up scene there? Anybody know?), but besides the above there are the various internet portals, the salon scene and the overpriced strip club scene. These other options are mentioned in previous posts.

The Grand Hotel Kempinski Europa is the best hotel in St.Pete, bar none. The other western hotels Nevsky Palace, Astoria, the Radisson and Angleterre just don't have the flair of Europa IMHO. The location is also the best, centrally located on Nevsky Prospekt and within walking distance of most central tourist sites as well as many restaurants, bars and shopping areas.

I've never seen more than 2 or 3 bar girls working there, but these are usually girls sitting together at a table or alone. Not every girl sitting alone at the bar is automatically a prostitute. She might just be waiting for her boyfriend. But try to make eye contact and if she is alone for awhile or sitting with a girlfriend looking bored, chances are she is in the game.
Plan on spending at least $200 if not more. I doubt she'll go below that, especially in high season. At a hotel where rooms go for $350 and up, bargaining over $50 seems pretty petty anyway. The girls there will likely be more beautiful than the majority of the girls at the pick up bars, whose quality ranges from 5-8 in my opinion. Rarely have I seen a 9 at of those places...if ever.

You can ask a bell boy, but be discreet. I've never done it personally, preferring to go to the pick up bars.

The pick up bars I know of in St.Pete are Marstalls, located in front of the big church in the center of town, just down Nevsky from the Kempinski Europa hotel and the Tribunal bar, located down by the water....can't remember the address, but is well known and advertised in the english language papers.
Both are medium size bars with dancing and a strip show. I found the strip show at Marstalls to be better, but the girls at Tribunal to be cuter...that surely varies from night to night though. Lots of expats at both, expat women as well. They pale in comparison to the local babes, but are probably fairly easy to pick up since no one is paying attention to them. But why go out for hamburger when you can have steak. Prices for the working girls should be the same at both places, about $100. They'll probably ask for $150. Some might go for less than $100, but I doubt the really cute ones will during high season. In high season the cute ones might even try to stick to $150, but I've never paid that much personally. If you feel like bargaining, go for it. Again, not every girl at Marstalls or Tribunal is a prostitute. I was at Marstalls 2 weeks ago determined to take home a working girl and chatted up two girls, took them upstairs to sit, bought them drinks and started talking about going back to my apartment and asking if they wanted to go... they said they weren't that kind of girl and had just come to dance for awhile before going to another disco...they were students waiting for the cover charge to end at the other place. Ended up going to the other disco with both of them but didn't get laid. Damnit! But that's another story. Still, chatting up girls there is fun in any case, and if she is a working girl she'll let you know soon enough.

The best girl I ever picked up in St.Pete was from the Hollywood Nites disco/club just down the street from the Kempinski hotel on Nevsky Palace. The best $100 I ever spent, a Georgian girl...a solid 9 in performance and looks. Last time I was at Hollywood Nites, about a year ago, it was quite dead though. Not sure on the scene there now... But it used to be packed with sizzlin' hot chicks 2 years ago. Might be worth taking a look at. Anybody else been there recently?

I have taken girls back to the Kempinski, no problem. She'll have to register at the desk. You shouldn't be too embarassed, happens all the time. Most girls will stay till morning. If you've got time, take her out for a drink somewhere first, might improve the chemistry and the subsequent performance. Try to negotiate for the whole night, that should be in the price.

Since money is no option, you might try an agency. Sorry, but I have no experience there. I prefer to see the girls first anyway, but agencies to promise top material. There are a couple recommended in previous posts.

I personally prefer the Moscow scene to St.Pete, but I've heard other guys say the exact opposite. In any case, have a great time and post a report when you get back.

Steve H
07-04-03, 23:36
Doctor_skank,

Thank you very much for the information, I'll be there next week and will report back.

Anyone who has experience in using bellboy to get girls please share the experience. Recommendations of the escort service are also appreciated.

my email: stevehonc@msn.com

Steve

CA Traveler
07-05-03, 16:06
skank, MD... I agree with you... the sex buffet in Moscow is far better than Spb. OTOH, I think the normal girls you will see walking on the street in Spb are better, even though Moscow girls are beautiful the Spb girls are a notch above.

However, since I prefer the P4P scene I LOVE Moscow and, although it is more expensive than Asia or Central America, IMHO the girls are worth every ruble!

Doctor_Skank
07-06-03, 23:13
I hear ya, Ca_T...

If anyone knows of other options in St.P besides the well-documented :

1) hotel
2) pick up bar/disco
3) internet
4) salons
5) strip club girls

do a guy a favor and please drop a line. I am especially interested in a tochka scene, but this seems non-existent in St.P...almost can't imagine it not being there though...

Can't agree on Moscow girls being less beautiful than St.Pete girls... The eternal struggle between Rossia's political and its historical capital...

IMHO StP girls are more what the stereotypical Russian sexpot is... big, blonde, blue-eyed, busty babe... definitely more per capita of that in St.Pete...

Moscow rules on ethic babes (Caucasus, Moldavia, Central Asia), typical Slavic/Ukrainian babes and overall variety and volume... always overwhelming.

Octatron
07-13-03, 16:15
I'll be making my return to STP in a few weeks. Just curious has anybody been to the Metro Disco before? I was always with a girlfriend when I went. But it seamed like there were plenty of amateurs there.

Zadig
07-17-03, 05:45
Octatron, Metro is a wild place. I think that everyone should go there once, if for nothing else to see the skinhead women security guards. You can see my post a couple of months back, but to answer your question, there are all types of women at Metro, from amateur to pro.

Doc_skank, those are good reports. I too found success at Hollywood Nites, in two forms. The first was a really great semi-pro that I met there on a Thursday night last summer. $100 for the night, typical services. The nice part though is that she gave me her number. The next week was "on the house". Turns out she was a really a student (no, really, not the standard response) making some money on the side. Also, she rang all of my bells every time after this. Total GFE.

The second form of success at Hollywood Nites comes in the form of total amateurs. One of the dating agencies, A Foreign Affair, runs a social at least once a month for clients on their tour. They open it up to any foreign guy in the area. OK, so here's the scene, 10 or so pretty overwhelmed guys and 100 desperate Russian girls. Each time I crashed this scene (hey, their rules), I ended up leaving with a good looking girl. There are only two hitches with this strategy, but they can be fairly hairy if you don't manage things well. One, the girls will want to get serious straight away; and two, you might have to wait for sex for a couple of dates. However, if you can manage the situation, this can be a great way to meet amateurs. These socials used to be at Hollywood Nites, but I've heard that they moved. Check out the St. Petersburg Times (http://www.sptimesrussia.com) classifieds under Dating Services or something like that.

Dusty Bin
07-18-03, 14:15
Hollywood nights is no more.
It closed about CHristmas time.

If you want a good night out try Magrib on Nevsky, opposite Nevsky Palace Hotel.

Steve H
07-18-03, 21:51
Dr. Skunk,

As promised, here is the report of the trip I had two weeks ago.

1. there are several upscale stores in the grand Hotel Europe where I stayed. The girls worked there are very beautiful. However, I wasn't able to ask if they were available as it would be very embressing.

2. I didn't ask bell boy for the same reason.

3. I went to Marstall around 11 pm. It was empty.

4. Hollywood nite was closed.

5. Went to Golden Dolls. The girls are very very beautiful. However, the ticket was 750RB. And girls were very agressive. I had more than 5 girls coming to me asking for tip or offering table dance within 5 minutes I entered. When I said no(just a simple "no"), each of them became upset and rude by saying very nasty word. I was about to leave as it was such a bad place when I saw a girl who was sitting there quietly. She is surely a model type girl, 9.5 on my book. I asked if she would go to hotel with me. She said yes and asked for $600 for whole night up to 6 am. As she is so beautiful and I used to 300pounds per hour in London, I siad yes and took her to my hotel. The service was OK. I got french kiss and BBJ. She only allowed one sex as there was only one condome in her purse. She gave me an additional hand job. Overall, it was an OK experience. However, I would do it again just because she was so beautiful.

Steve

Octatron
07-19-03, 11:55
Steve:
Are you mad? It's not the point that it is reasonably cheaper to get a girl for the night for what you would pay back home. The point is that if you start paying higher than market prices, it's just going to hurt the negotiating of your fellow mongers. I have never paid over 150.00 in Russia for an all nighter. In truth, even $150.00 is a little high. Think about it this way, very few Russians make 600.00 per year. Just keep that in mind. Thanks.

Zadig:
Thanks.

Tribunal:
I've always enjoyed the selections and even the atmosphere here. But my problem is that since I work on a cruise ship, the Tribunal pretty much is a "crew bar", so too many of the female crew members go there. So in the past I've usually lurked around the Tribunal until late, and waited until my fellow female crew members have gone. Or I've usually gone to Marstalls for my evening shopping. I think my next visit in a little over a week I'll probably give Metro a shot. But the Tribunal has always been great

Candyman Disco:
There was once a disco about twenty minutes away by taxi from the Tribunal, does anybody know if that's still around.

Happy hunting!

Steve H
07-19-03, 16:10
I also used the 3 escort services adveritised on the St. Pete Time, every girl showed up had nothing to do with the picture on the WEB and was several orders lower in quality of her appearance than the WEB picture. I just turned them away by going them the "taxi fee( $20)". I was afraid of causing any issue that might related to my safe stay in St. Petersburg. Never going to use escort servcie any more.

Steve

Tomcat2
07-19-03, 17:50
Originally posted by stevehonc
I was about to leave as it was such a bad place when I saw a girl who was sitting there quietly. She is surely a model type girl, 9.5 on my book. I asked if she would go to hotel with me. She said yes and asked for $600 for whole night up to 6 am. As she is so beautiful and I used to 300pounds per hour in London, I siad yes and took her to my hotel. The service was OK. I got french kiss and BBJ. She only allowed one sex as there was only one condome in her purse. She gave me an additional hand job. Overall, it was an OK experience. However, I would do it again just because she was so beautiful.

Steve [/i]
Shit! $600USD=18,258 Russian Rouble. If you go to www.publichouse.ru or www.dosug.ru, the price will range from $40 to $100/hr or $200 for all-nighter. Maybe some rich Brit dudes just occasionally pay $$$, but it still spoils the mongering market in Russia.

Wanderer1000
07-19-03, 18:11
Steve-

I have to join in on the concern here with your $600 a night payment. Yes, it´s your money - but for the sake of the brotherhood, don´t ruin the country. It´s like Octatron said - it´s just going to hurt the negotiating power of your fellow mongers.
I´ve been in Buenos Aires now for over five weeks, and I get some ridiculous quotes from the chicas. I know from the quotes I get, and talking with some of them that I become friends with later, that there are a certain percentage of guys that pay the "stupid gringo prices". So, they just throw it out there at the start to see if you are one of the stupid ones. They openly laugh about it when talking, and it sure isn´t a feeling of respect that they have for these guys.
I´m not intending to flame you with my words, I just think you need to step back and reconsider next time - if for no other reason than a sense of concern for the guys that will follow on your trail. I love Russian women and intend to do some extensive mongering in the future. I hope it doesn´t become an overpriced destination. Thanks.

Steve H
07-19-03, 19:41
All, I'm sorry if i had paid too much and broke the "rule". I had spent some time looking for a stunner by going to the clubs, using escort service etc. and was very disappointed. When I saw this girl in the golden doll, she was so beautiful and quietly sitting there, I felt I just have to have her. I tried to negotiate a bit, but it didn't work. As a 20 minutes table dance in the clud is $40 (listed on menu), I thought it was impossible to pay less than $200 for a whole night.

I realized I probably paid a bit more and will negotiate harder in future. I was very tired at the time, and would want to go to bed with a real beautiful girl. I'm not too interested in having sex with a so so girl as I can easily get them for free anywhere. I hope you guy can agree with me that real beautiful girls do cost more. In addition, St. Pete is very expensive now by any standard. The Grand Hotel Europe I stayed was $400/night, plus 25% tax. The airfare between London and St. pete was $1200 for business class. After spending that much money travelling there, well...

I'll try to post her picture in the picture part of WSG.

Anyway, I understand where you all come from and will keep in mind.

Thanks.

Steve

Zadig
07-20-03, 05:11
Wow, that's sad that Nites closed down. It was a decent place. Two recommendations, but again it's been a year since I was in St. Pete. The first is an escort agency: Liza Escort Agency: http://www.liza-escort.spb.ru/ I used them a couple of times. The girl on the phone spoke decent English. But you do have to be careful if you are calling at peak times. The first time I used them I called way too late for a buddy and me. I asked for two young blondes that spoke OK English. The two that showed up were young enough, but neither was blonde and only one spoke passing English. So I had to settle for the one who spoke only Russian - I forget the name. She was OK, about a 6, but was not my type - Chechen and Georgian mix. However, her service soon had me forgetting that she wasn't my type. Started CBJ, then moved to mish and rear entry. Then she took off the cover and finished me into her mouth and swallowed!! She really got into the sex, also, and begged me to call her the next day. I didn't, but oh well. The second girl I had from Liza was an ATF, her name was Mila. Young, thin, beautiful. Absolutely fantastic service but no oral finish when on the job. The best thing was that she stayed the whole night even though I only paid for 2 hours. She ended up with me for 2 days of sex and shopping. Great weekend. Unfortunately, I don't see her picture any more on the website. Oh yeah, by the way the pictures on their website of these two girls were dead on. So you might want to check them out.

Across69
07-20-03, 12:00
Fellow Mongers!
I will be studying at SP University for the months of september and october. Besides my prior admonisions about getting caught by the bridges, only getting money from ATMs and that the SPG cops are NOT there to help you (see my prior posts) I am wondering what has been going on since my last visit a year ago. My worries about the overpriced girls in the hotel bar and the stupid foreigners who are willing to pay over the going rate and screw it up for everyone else are frequently echoed by others.
Have the strip bars changed in the last year? (Maximus, Golden Dolls, etc.) They used to be WAY overpriced and had women picking at you like vultures. My only recomendations for newcomers to SPG is to go to Tribunal or Marstals bar and talk extensivley to any women you take back to your hotel/apartment. The prices are MUCH better and the women will try harder for you.

For anyone staying longer than 2 weeks in one city in Russia I would recommend renting an apartment for much less and you don't have to deal with hotel security every time you get lucky (paid or unpaid). All you have to do is find a Russian expat travel agent in your local city(There are a lot of them) Your own apartment will simplify alot of things, just make sure you are SOUTH OF THE RIVER NEVA!
The women in Russia are the most straight-forward women I have ever met. ANY foreigner will be met with interest and this can be taken to your advantage if played right! Good luck to my fellow mongers!

Dusty Bin
07-20-03, 13:00
one word MAGRIB

on nevski

But one girl asked for 1000$ for the night! normally $100 ish

Octatron
07-20-03, 14:20
Dusty:
Besides laughing in her face. How was the talent in Magrib, many girls? Is it more of a strip club or more of a bar/disco environment?

Thanks.

Dusty Bin
07-21-03, 17:10
Magrib has no strippers. It has a restaurant in the front, open all day. At night there is a club featuring mainly techno/house/pop stuff. Good sound system. There is always some kind of a show but always clothed. It is a bit more upmarket than Marstall and IMHO the girls are more attractive.

Laugh in the girl''s face? Never, she was very attractive and more than a little drunk.

Traveller22
07-22-03, 22:26
Across69,

I will soon fly to Petersburg and stay there around 3 months. I wanted to ask you about accomodation. Did you manage to find a flat downtown? At which cost? I have heard that it is very , very expensive to rent a flat in the center of St-Petersburg.

Traveller22
07-24-03, 10:03
across69,

Where do you intend to live in Petersburg? I will soon fly to Petersburg and stay there around 3 months. I have heard that it is very , very expensive to rent a flat in the center of St-Petersburg. Maybe do you know some ways to find cheaper accomodation in this city for long term residence?

Doctor_Skank
07-27-03, 13:24
Steve:

Thanks for providing your reports, these are all of interest to WSG readers, as beyond the regular posters, there are a lot of passive readers who just gather info from the sight.

Allow me to comment on your reports, as I think they are fairly representative of first time mongerers in Russia:

1) Grand Hotel Kempinski: You thought about asking the girls working in the shops for sex... these girls are often very beautiful but are not working girls. You MIGHT get a date with one if you are lucky, but unless you are Cassanova or can offer her something more than dinner and a one night stand I think your chances are quite low. I have taken out girls who worked at hotels but usually haven't gotten very far with them because they were totally into having a (very) serious relationship and I gave up, figuring they weren't worth the time and money (meals, gits etc.) I would have to invest. Sure you could lie to them and probably get into their pants, but for some reason I balked at this. If I was looking for a wife or a serious GF I might go this route, but I'm not. I'm sure a lot of them do end up marrying businessmen...or just being their girlfriends for a while, but they will be expensive one way or the other. Generally Russian girls are more accessible than a lot of the Western girls we are used to, but they are defintely not all turning tricks. The really beautiful are in high demand and are getting much harder to impress than they were a few years back as local Russian giys acquire more money and spoil the babes with gifts, entertainment, holidays etc.

2) Marstalls: It is dead at 11pm, especially in the summer. Not really even worth going to before midnight, or even later. This is true of almost all Russian clubs. At places that cater to expats, the prostitutes usually don't show up until midnight at the earliest. At some places this is club policy.

3) Golden Dolls: Although the quality of girl is still high, IMHO the club has lost some of its appeal. The girls are increasingly aggressive about their tips and you can easily spend as much on drinks and lap dance tips as you would on a whole night of sex elsewhere. But for first timers wanting to see beautiful Russian women up close and personal and feel them up, it should be seen. My first trips there were great and left my star-struck, the recent ones were not so memorable. I just ended up leaving extremely horny and $100 lighter, seriously taking a chunk out of my mongering budget! :)

4) Strip clubs: ...are a lousy place to pick up working girls as they are extremely overpriced. Beyond the fact that $600 is completely ridiculous it sounds like you got average service. I don't want to detract from your experience...the temptation to fuck something perfect is nearly irresistable, but $200-300 would have gotten you an equally stunning hotel/call girl... and even those prices are high. A girl in the 7-8 category should never cost more than $70-150. And price is not related to quality of service. Most guys on their first trip spend silly money, but those who read this forum should know the basic price structure and stick to it. I haven't spent more than $100 for an all-nighter in 3 years and would only consider spending $150 if she was ungodly hot and I was going to get an all.nighter with all the extras. To make you feel better, on my first Moscow trip several years back I spent $100 on a full nude but no sex private dance in Dolls. She was model quality, but I was still truly idiotic. Live and learn.

Steve H
07-27-03, 16:54
Dr_skank,

Thanks for your comments.

I also tried the escorts services and the results were very disappointing. As mentioned in a seperated report, all three (Liza, Egoist, Elliegirl) sent me girls had nothing to do with the pictures on their WEBs and with qualities several orders lower.

I have no intention to spend more money if I don't have to. I understand authors of several comments complainning I spent too much and all said a real pretty one can be had for less than $150 in St. pete. However, no body provided real clue as where to get the real pretty one for that kind of money. Unless that kind of information is available, lots of people are still going to over pay.

Steve.

Dusty Bin
07-27-03, 23:23
i have just returned from a short trip to saint petersburg.

up until a couple of years ago i was a regular visitor to golden dolls on nevsky. i was often to be found enjoying a private session and had no problem tipping the girls. the club was comfortable and the girls usually had a good attitude. i have recommended this place for many years. i publically apologise to anyone who has been, on my recommendation, whilst the place has been under the current management!

golden dolls has completely changed...

last night i visited the place for the first time since the refurbishment. it can not be recommended under any circumstances. here is the story...

i arrived at about 1.00 am saturday night/sunday morning. a time that should have been hopping.

i entered, the lower floor is now closed, there is now a cash desk there, and worryingly an atm! the entry was 750 roubles ($25). they claimed to have no change and wanted to keep the 50rbl balance, on querying they offered to repay on exit. (first warning!)

i ascended the stairs to the new floor, it is a cold hard place of steel, tile, uv light and glass. i was one of perhaps three clients, all dispersed through a much larger room. (warning two!)

a hostess took me to a seat by one of the runways, where a girl was wriggling in a desultory fashion. the previous enthusiasm completely absent. (warning three and my enthusiasm is also waning!)

a couple of girls approached me and sat with me. they were, by local standards just 'average plus' i can enjoy the company of more attractive girls almost anywhere in town. they instantly started to hustle drinks. i never buy drinks instantly and so refused, within seconds they had made themselves absent, never to be seen again.
feeling a little exposed, i retreated to a booth, worryingly it was no treserved. they have so few clients that they dont even bother to save these for the high rollers any more. my previously ordered drink arrived, cost was now well out of line with even expensive clubs (half litre draft was 255rbl, normal high prices might reach 120 rbl!) i proffered 500 rbl, the waitress disappeared and did not return with my change. i subsequently had to ask another waitress for my change, when she returned, she had the gall to ask for a tip. (what for? not actually stealling my money?) i did not tip and she retired miffed.

ok how many more warnings do i need? (actually just one! read on!)

next a youngish masked girl aproached and gave a half hearted little performance for a few seconds and asked for a 'little gift'. i offered 50rbl, she said 100rbl was minimum and refused my money. at this point i rose, to leave, leaving my beer almost untouched, my exit was blocked by a girl claiming to half been the girl dancing as i entered, she sure looked different though... i peeled off a note, coincidentally a 100rbl bill and left. i had to wait for my 50 rbl change whilst being overlooked by the door monkeys.

now, i am not rich, but i used to think nothing of dropping $60 or more, after the entry fee, in an hour or so. more if i enjoyed a private session. the place sucks big style now. the ambience of comfort and friendliness has been totally destroyed by the attitude of all the staff i met. golden dolls is now an expensive, but fatally flawed con job. i can not imagine who this place now caters for. prettier girls are availble for free, or moderate cost up at magrib, taking a willing lovely into a private booth there beats the nuts off golden dolls any time. it is hard to enjoy a place that constantly reminds the patron that the management and staff have no respect for him. a place like this can only survive by making the patrons feel wanted and warm, no matter how imaginary.

in my opinion, anyone who goes to this place having read this report will be going because he does not believe me, or because he is an eternal optimist!

avoid at all costs, there are much better places to spend money on make believe affection and to stroke the smooth flesh of a willing nubile!

can somebody tell us about maximus? a strip club down the road. i understand the owners are the same as magrib and so i expect that the ambience is first rate, if costly...

Across69
07-28-03, 10:20
Dusty!
Sorry man, but you had EXACTLY the same experience I had a year ago at Golden dolls (see my 6/2002 posts). Maxiumus was pretty much the same expeirence as GD in a marbled, new wrapper.

Where is Magrib, exactly, by the way?

The ONLY worthwhile strip club last summer (2002) was Papa Kolorado way out on Valievsky island. Only for the adventurous and careful with the bridges!

Traveler22,
Here are some of the dozens of web sites I found:

http://www.petersburg-lodging.com/apartments.htm
http://www.lodgingspb.com/apartments.php
http://www.petersburg-apartments.com/apartment-vas.htm

but find a local Russian travel agent (in your city!) to get a real deal!
Also, as long as you are south of the river, the metro, taxis and regular citizens cars are cheap and easily available.

Across69
07-28-03, 10:40
1. Avoid Golden Dolls and Maximus strip club unless you are very rich and like to be hassled

2. Russian women seem to like foreigners, so getting lucky( for free) here seems to be pretty easy.

3. Marstals and tribunal bar late at night ( after 1am) are great places to find pros and non-pros

4. Never pay more than $150 for the WHOLE NIGHT with ANY girl you meet at a bar

5. Let the woman do all the talking with your hotel security and be prepared to pay $2-$10 hush money

6. There are Pros in almost all SPG hotels but they are usually way overpriced

7. You can avoid the whole hotel/security issue by renting an apartment

8. Taxis are cheap, so use them late at night. Remember the police are NOT there to help you!

9. ALWAYS pay attention to the drawbridge schedule (with a safety margin) if you are going to cross the Neva

10. ATM/ Money machines are everywhere and you avoid the risks of carrying a lot of money. Usually get an okay rate and you don't have to deal with the money exchange assholes!

Doctor_Skank
07-28-03, 11:36
Steve,

Although St.P has an overwhelming number of non-pro non-prostitute beauties strolling the streets, IMHO opinion it is more difficult to find the pro super stunners in St.Pete as compared to Moscow, where if you are willing to pay "visiting Japanese business executive" prices of $200+ you can always go to Night Flight and find what you are looking for. For the short term infrequent visitor who has neither the time or insider knowledge to find the same quality girl for half the price, this is a very good option. I don't go there myself as I do follow my own personal rule not to pay more than $100-150 tops, but for those in your situation...and there are very many of you, this is absolutely ok and you aren't ruining any market prices by doing so since Night Flight is a seperate entity in itself and $200-300 is the market price there, also dictated by the club wishing to stay exclusive and a magnet for businessmen.

If any one knows of a surefire solution to this dilemna in St.P, please post, as Steve isn't the first guy to feel the selection at Marstalls/Tribunal and the call-girls wasn't what he was looking for. For me, I really have (almost) always been happy with choices at Marstalls or Tribunal, but you will have to go late. For business travellers I realize this is a hassle, especially if they have to work the next day. Otherwise you can go for the hotel girls and bargain down to $200, which they will do. They may go lower to $150, but they also may not, as sooner or later they probably will find someone to pay their $200+ price.

Dusty,

Yeah, Golden Dolls has gone downhill. Haven't been in it since the renovation, but based on your report and my pre-renovation visits there, it is not worth my time. Too bad, it used to rock. I think as the economic situation in Moscow and St.Pete improves, the quality of girls willing to work as strippers or in the horizontal profession is waning somewhat. Just my impression, maybe wrong.

What kind of "private booths" are you talking about at Magrib...it is just a disco, right? Or do you mean just places to sit secluded?

Across69,

Thanks for your ten commandments, I pretty much agree with what you say.

An 11th commandment might be to try to meet "normal" Russian girls. Even if you don't get laid (although you very likely might) the experience is rewarding.

And a 12th commandment would be to learn a little Russian at least. If you gain exposure to the normal populace, you chances for getting laid for free will explode.

And another tip that works for me, when paying for play, take the girl out for a drink first at a place other than the one you picked her up at. Get to know her (provided you have time). It'll likely improve the subsequent chemistry and sex.

Magrib is just across the street from the Nevsky Palace Hotel, which is often erroneously called the Sheraton. It is in fact a Corinthian Hotel, as Sheraton sold the place.

Dusty Bin
07-28-03, 19:27
Magrib has booths along the side of the main room, these are 'reserved' until you either pay some money, or are recognised as a regular spender, in a party. There is seating just behind the main floor, for diners, usually plenty of space to snuggle down on comfy seats. If all else fails there is the front room mainly for diners and dinkers, good for conversation,, but a little open for much else. There is not, aa far as I know, any private rooms. What there is suffices for most purposes though.

Traveller22
07-28-03, 22:03
across69,

Thanks for your answer but unfortunately I am not a rich man! I will stay 3 months in Petersburg and I just can't afford to pay between 00 and 200$ dayly as it is asked on those websites!

As far as I undestood you intend to live 2 months in this city. It means that you are ready to pay minimum 6000$ just for the accomodation. It appears to be just out of my league.

According to me the best solution is to rent a room in a family for 100-150 $ downtown. It is not very practical for the girls but I really don't see other possibilities for long term residence in Petersburg.

Across69
07-30-03, 22:27
Traveler22,
The websites I gave you were only for example! Some sites have prices from $35 dollars a night. If you stay for 3 months you can definately find cheaper apartments. Haggleing for prices is okay in Russia, to a certain degree.
There are DOZENS of web sites to help you find cheap apartments in SPG. Like I said, the cheapest way to find a centraly located, cheap apartment is to OPEN YOUR LOCAL PHONE BOOK AND CALL A TRAVEL AGENT WHO IS A FORMER RUSSIAN CITIZEN!
The least expensive way to stay in SPG is to rent a room with a family. Even if it for only a couple of weeks and then find an apartment once you are there. Few Russians can afford to pay more than $300 a month rent, even in downtown SPG.
Behind the Kazaan cathedral, VERY convenient to Marstals and Tribunal bar, is the university dorms/hotel. You can stay there for around $14 a night. This is the place if you need a last minute place to get laid, even if you live with a family. Just let the woman (Pro or non-pro) do the talking at the front desk!
The ONLY good thing about the damn bridges is that it is a common excuse to say you were stuck on the wrong side of the river and could not get home for the night, if questioned.
Finally, There are several youth hostels in SPG. Here is the address for the main one:
www.ryh.ru
You do not need to be a "youth" to stay at a hostel. In most youth hostels (worldwide) you can usually only stay for a specific period of time (several days to a few weeks) until you must leave for a brief period.

Dusty Bin
07-31-03, 09:39
I have stayed in an apartment, completely unrefurbished for $400 for a month. The 'local' price would have been about $200. For this I was staying near Mariinsky THeatre, about 20 minutes from Nevsky, on foot, or 50-100 RBl by cab and 6Rbl by bus. Problem is that these cheaper places are not too pretty, the agents do not speak English and customer service is an unknown concept.

If I were you, I would arrange a homestay and recruit your hosts to help find you an apartment. Good prices will only come with longer term rentals in excess of a month and will become more difficult in the winter as apartment owners return to their homes from their Dacha.

Dusty Bin
07-31-03, 10:00
Here is an alternative that we do not often talk about...

On this trip I met girls on the street or at street bars and cafes. Patio Pizza was good as was the Bistro adjacent to Magrib. On the street, the girls will often give direct eye contact be fast, indicate with a flick of the head for her to join you, if not interested you just carry on walking, or eating.

Here's the skinny...

Girls have to pay 'rent' to use the hotels, clubs and bars. On the street the same girls pay no rent. If they keep a low profile thay are also welcome in places like Patio Pizza, Planet Sushi etc. The girls will be alone or in pairs, usually very attractive, but not the most attractive women around. They will be looking around to see potential clients. The going rate for a night is about $100. Be nice and they will be yours for several days for just a 'top up fee'. Downside is that there is no control on quality - if they steal from you, it is tough luck. In the clubs, the girls are kept in line by the security. If you accuse a girl of theft and it is upheld. then she will get a 'customer service lesson' that will cause her to be unavailable for work for a few weeks :(

Rent in clubs:
Marstall $100 per week, this is why the same girls are there every night.
Magrib $30 per client, encourages regulars to go for short times and amateurs to provide variety.
Tribunal IIRC $20 per client.
Tschaika $10 per client, but the same three girls have been working there since God was in short trousers.

Most attractive girls are in Magrib, but cost is $150 or so, duration variable. Marstall has the old regulars, been shagging them for the last three years or more, cost $100, usually for the night. Two girls for perhaps $150

In most clubs you will find girls who do not want to pay rent, they will often be a bit cheaper, in Marstall perhaps $50 for the night, but older, they will also want to appear to be a 'girlfriend' to avoid the suspicions of the door staff.

BTW, you can get the hotel girls down to about $150 for the night, their target is to get $100 per night, the $50 goes to security. If you want to pay $500 then you are allowed to be rough, as one girl put it to me, 'he offered $500, so I knew that I would not be able to shit properly for a couple of days or sit for a week'. She took the money knowing that it would mean that she would not need to work for the next couple of weeks. Most girls do not want to work every night. (You don't think they all ENJOY it do you?)

Doctor_Skank
07-31-03, 20:21
dusty_bin,

Great report, thanks for the info. I was aware of the principal of "rent" and knew that hotel girls paid $50, but never knew the details. Thanks, helps put perspective on things. Do you know by any chance what policy is at CF and NF in Moscow?

Marstalls:
One of my beefs on Marstalls is that the girls don't change much... not only are the same ones there all week, but I recognize some of the same girls every time I am there... sometimes I'll see the same girl months or even years later! Occasionally freelancers come in, but there quality doesn't seem to be overly high IMHO.

Next time in St.Pete I'll look around Magrib more, I've never been there alone and had a chance to look for women, I had assumed it was a normal bar/disco with very little pro action.

Outside of Marstalls a taxi driver offered me girls for $100, showing me photographs that were so old and ragged they were obviously not of the real girl. I wouldn't care if the picture was fake if he delivered something cute anyway. I realize that normally this is hit and miss at best and often an utter disappointment, but am just curious if anyone has tried this?

Across69
08-01-03, 08:53
Does anyone have any info about places to find Pros, strip clubs or last minute cheap hotels for getting laid, on the Petrograd (north side) side of the river?

Dusty Bin
08-01-03, 08:55
I know nothing of the Moscow scene, but find it hard to believe that, in respect of rent, it would be any different.

One of the reasons for the same girls working at Marstalls for years is the chargig structure, it encourages regular attendance, $100 per week is cheap compared to $30 per client, assuming that she is regular. The per client fee encourages girls to come and go. For me both systems have their advantages. I get the feeling that Marstall is aimed at the expats who are new in town and who will therefore not know that the girls have been there since the flood. Magrib is a place for guys who know a little more and so variety is needed. Later we graduate to Rossi, Absinthe etc. and find a girlfriend...

Dusty Bin
08-01-03, 20:09
across69-

Across the river...

Scary place! Here be dragons...

Seriously, I have only once stayed on that side of the water. It was a big mistake. I was in (IIRC) the Hotel Vyborksaya. A very cheap place a couple of minutes walk from the metro.

It had one redeeming feature, had I but known soon enough.

There was a brothel on the fourth floor.

I only found it on my last day as I was sitting in the cafeteria on that floor (have you guys noticed the tendency for cheap Russian hotels to have things like shops and beauty parlours and cafes spread through their floors...) waiting to go back home when I noted that there was a significant number of lightly clad girls wandering in and out getting cups of hot water for their tea.

As the hotel was largely populated by students, I am not sure as to the target market for this enterprise.

I can offer no more assitance than this. If you possibly can, get a place nearer to the centre, you will be rewarded.

Member #1030
08-04-03, 22:54
Hi,

I am thinking of renting an apartment in Vasilievsky Island district.

Can anyone tell me if this is a good part of town for the night life and wg acton

Or is it the wrong side of the river?

Thanks,

Phil

Dusty Bin
08-05-03, 07:28
Wrong side of the river!

You need to stay in the southern part of the city, if you are on Vassilevsky Island to save money, just rent a place a little further out of town to the south.

Vassilievsky has many pleasant areas, but nightlife, as far as foreigners and newbies is concerned is concentrated around the city centre, the only well known club on Vassilievsky, that I know of is Plaza and I never went because of the bloody bridges!

If you are going in winter there is less of a problem, because when the Neva freezes, the bridges stay down IIRC during November-March.

Member #1030
08-05-03, 22:06
Thanks Dusty-Bin for the info.
Money is not a problem, the apartment I had in mind is furnished with antiques (a bit like me).

I was also thinking of Moscow but the apartment I wanted is occupied by a guy called (Putin) and they would not kick him out for the weeks I wanted.

But seriously I look at the apartment then what’s going on in the district.

This is my first time in Russia I will look south of the river on your advice. Also, does St. Petersburg have the line-up like Moscow that I have heard about

Regards,

Phil

MoneyTree
08-14-03, 10:21
Hi, I will be making a big tour around Eastern Europe, Russia.

planning to stay in any other town that might be worth a visit. I am looking to get in touch with some locals who can also speak English or German, who have good communicative skills trying to make some money or find a new well paid job. Please get in touch with me or perhaps you can give me a referal of someone trustworthy who might be able to help me out in some of those towns finding some young girls, uni students, semi pros etc,
puxilove@hotmail.com

Traveller22
08-14-03, 16:15
Moneytree,

The forum is flooded by your message. I don't think that it is the best way to ask some help. You should put adds in local newspapers.

Steve H
08-21-03, 04:06
Just noticed new feature that allows to post picture. Here is the girl I met about a month ago, paid very high price that made a lot of people here unhappy.

Steve

One Peter
08-23-03, 02:00
Hello!

I´m going to St.Petersburg in September and I´ve never been there before. I visited Tallinn some months ago and I really liked all private apartments that was quite easy to find cause of this forum. Is there a similar system in St.P. Cause I can´t bring girls to my hotell.

Another thing was that it was quite cheap to go to apartments in Tallin. I hope for the best. Glad for all kind of advise.

And many thanks for this forum.

Steve H
09-04-03, 13:41
I haven't seen many people starting using the photo function. By posting one more pic of the gir I met in St. Pete, I hope people will follow.

Steve

Andy78
10-11-03, 08:59
Hello guys!

Please tell me, why you are discussing only about girls in 2..3 bars and un 2..3 hotels. I live here and I can tell you that here is lot of other working girls and lot of brothels and lot of other places to have a good girls for reasonable prices!

Best regards,

Andy

Musketeer
10-12-03, 08:56
What was that Andy78?
Do you keep some secrets from us other members?
Do you have some addresses and telephone numbers to give to us; do you have in store some informative reports to post ?

Come on and tell us what you have, please. If not please shut up.

One Peter
10-13-03, 22:31
Hello Andy!

I have not been in St P. before. Therfore I would be very glad if you could tell me more about the brothels you mentioned. Please.

Best from Peter

Doctor_Skank
10-23-03, 08:56
Hi all,

Will be in St.Pete next week and regrettably I will be staying at the Hotel Oktyabryskaya... not my choice, but out of solidarity to a biz partner on his first trip I am staying in the same hotel as he is. The hotel is ok if you just want to sleep there and have a shower in the morning, but usually I stay in private apartments for all the right reasons.

I know about the girls in the little cafe there... not too impressive if you ask me and not a bargain in price either.

Anybody had luck bringing girls from other places, such as Marstalls, back to the hotel?

Is it the standard let the girl do the talking + upgrade to double room?

OttoGraham
10-23-03, 15:57
Originally posted by Musketeer
What was that Andy78?
Do you keep some secrets from us other members?
Do you have some addresses and telephone numbers to give to us; do you have in store some informative reports to post ?

Come on and tell us what you have, please. If not please shut up.

Musketeer,

And just what have YOU offered in the way of information on this board?

-Uncle Otto

Across69
10-23-03, 22:09
Dr. Skank,
I stayed in the hotel Oktabryska 1 year ago (see june 2002 reports). I did take a girl from the little cafe in the hotel and it was a horrible experience (see 6/28/02 post for the shocking details). The other girl I mention in this post is Olga and she came with me to the hotel twice from Marstals and I let her do all the talking. It only took $5 hush money for security to get her in. No room upgrade was needed.
I am, by the way, living in SPG for a few months right now. I went to Marstal's to see if the rumors about the women never changing are true, and they are. Olga was there, looking 5 years older than when I saw her in june 2002. She quoted me the "return customer" price of 120 euro for the night. I declined and I am looking for a Russian girlfriend (for free) for the time I am here.
With a little Russain Language practice these my cold, dark nights will be a bit warmer for sure. If not, the University Hotel is only 2 blocks from Marstals, behind Kazaan cathedral and is very understanding of last minute emergencies. The are few tourists here now, so prices should go down a bit I think. If anyone is looking.
Also, Colorado Otets (Papa colorado) ( in the middle of Vasilevsky island) still has a 50-100 ruble ($1.50 - $3) a girl/lap dance tip and 300 ruble entry to the strip club in the back. This time I stayed all night Saturday and went out to the regular dance floor to see the same strippers (with a couple of guys) give a surprisingly good cabaret/ topless floor show.
They still only get topless in the back room and they have the same crappy chairs with arms that they did last year. The girls are excelent dancers even if the the lap dances seem a little more distant now than they did last year. They have gotten the same wierd sex menu that I hated at golden dolls, with prices for god knows what (in Russian) from 500-4000 rubles (about $16- $130)
Be careful not to get too friendly with the locals because I made friends with some couples at my table ( in the dance club part) and got about 6 shots of vodka served to me over a 3 hour period. The getting home part that night is kind of a blur to me now.
I am not in the hobbyist mood these days but if I come across any good info I will post it here Good Luck!

Wanderer1000
10-23-03, 23:27
across69 -

Colorado Otets: Is this the place with the Colorado landscape scene painted on the wall just behind the dance floor? (that just so happens to have a saquerro cactus in it, only found in southern Arizona, I think)? I went there many times with a girl I met on one of the web-sites in the summer of 2002 and New Years 2003. It's definitely off-the-track as far as tourists are concerned. Very small and cozy locals place that I would never have found by myself. Like you said, entertaining shows.

It didn't strike me as a great pick-up spot, but then I was always there with company. It seems that most of the people come in groups or as couples. Owned by Azerbajanis I'm pretty sure. Did you find it to be okay as a pick-up spot for regular girls?

Doctor_Skank
10-24-03, 06:43
Across 69,

Thanks for the info and good luck to you too in your pursuit of feminine warmth in the St.Pete winter! For me St.P isn't a great mongering town or perhaps I just haven't explored all the options well enough. There are certainly enough beauties there, so maybe the pursuit of real girlfriends is more rewarding.

In any case any tips from anybody regarding St.Pete are appreciated, as beyond hotel girls, Marstalls and Tribunal, internet and escort services and salons the action seems difficult to access.

Musketeer
10-24-03, 10:00
OttoGraham

Stay tuned and you will find reports from Musketeer in the weeks to come, at least in the Baltic countries and Russian pages.

If I had known that the holy Uncle Otto descendes from Heaven to condemn the living and the dead I would originally have commented Andy78 posting with a few more words, something like this::

Andy78, what kind of report was that?

I have newly found these excellent WSG pages and plan to be a contributor myself, have already started with a few postings. What I value and what I can see as a rule is that no chat style is allowed here. You know what I mean? You do not find this kind of exhange here:
“I might have a nice story to tell you fellows”
“Oh, really ?”
“Yes,indeed, wanna hear it ?”
“Um,oh yeah”
“Nah, I don’t feel like it”.
“Come on man, don’t tease us”

No, no. Chatting is one thing and intelligent reporting is another thing. I, with my few postings so far but as time goes by surely more to come on Baltic Countries and Russia, am not the right person to give you this finger waving but I could not hold myself.

Sorry for this a bit unfriendly text of mine, I confess that as I am writing this I am not in the best of moods Now let’s hear your actual report, let your words flow."

Zadig
10-25-03, 04:03
Jak,

That's the very same Papa Co. You are dead on about the cactus. Funny. It's sad to hear that things are worse there now. This used to be one of the best spots for good, relatively cheap fun. You might try talking to the administrator next time. As I recall, she spoke decent English. But then again, I went on a weeknight a year and a half ago (March). I think that timing may be the key, hit them on an off night/time of the year if possible.

I am going to be in the area in the January/February time frame. Does anybody have an idea where the boat will be at this point? I hope it is still operating.

Thanks.

Zadig

Musketeer
10-28-03, 17:09
On my last visit to St Petersburg in the autumn of 2002 I had the pleasure (?) to try one of the streetwalkers on the Nevsky Prospekt strip starting from Ploschad Vosstanya up to Ploschad Alexandra Nevskogo. Some of you must have seen them: all year round there are lonesome girls or girls in pairs standing along the street. Dressed and looking so that everyone knows they are working girls. A friend of mine was at that time renovating a flat along Nevsky Prospekt near Moscow hotel and he knew well many of the regular girls, having used their services. Well, he is some kind of a sex maniac. I had no intention to copy him but was curious to know what it is all about.

It all is organized of course. You cannot work there independetly from the mafia. Most of the customers stop their cars, have a chat with the girls and leave with or without the girl. It is mostly hourly business: 1 or 2 h. If the customer does not want or cannot take the girl along the girls' pimps have rented them apartments nearby - within walking distance anyway.

Price per 1 hour was 1.000,- roubles = USD 34,- and 2 hours 1.500,- roubles = USD 50,-. The same price wheather in the girls' place and in customers' place.

Well, the girls are not the best-looking. You could hear from their voice and see from their face that they do not work in the highest steps of St Pete prostitution. Staying on their feet all night, week after week. The business seemed to start at about 21.00. I took one girl to my friend's apartment ( he lived in the same one that he was renovating, very dusty and all) for 2 hours. Had sex, nothing special there. There was no glamour, no enthusiasm, the girl was fed up with me, with men, with everything. All in all not one of my finest hours.

This was one year ago, I plan to go again in December this year - and plan to talk to the girls and hear what is new - propably the only thing new will be higher prices.

OttoGraham
10-29-03, 17:52
I wanted to point out to everyone the ability to send Private Messages using the software on this site has now been activated. It works well.

However, there is no default "On" setting. You need to physically turn it on by following the instructions on the site.

-Uncle Otto

Please don't forget to donate to www.wsgcharities.com! For every two dollars you contribute between now and November, I will match it with an extra dollar's contribution. Make your Pay Pal or snail-mail contribution by visiting www.wsgcharities.com, and emailing me with your contribution amount and "I'm a friend of Uncle Otto" in the subject thread at "Ottograham@hotmail.com"

-Musketeer, especially for you, I will match every dollar of your contribution 1-for-1

Ogman
10-31-03, 20:30
I'll be staying at the Kempinski Grand Hotel Europe in sunny St. Pete's in December so I won't want to travell too far. Is there anything in the general area that folk can recoomend. Also, if there is streetwalker action in the area, does anyone have experience with bringing ladies in? Are there any SP focused websites for working girls?

My big challenge is that I cannot be seen with the lady and I will be travelling with collegues. Will the girl come in on her own? The big if here is that if you give them some money to get past the guards, what keeps them from just taking the money nd not coming to your room?

Any suggestions? I promise a full reportwith fiscal details around the holidays!

Dusty Bin
10-31-03, 21:12
There are streetwalkers on Nevski. Some are very attractive. There are two areas. At night you will see them on Stary Nevsky, walking towards the Hotel Moscow. I have no knowledge of these girls.

The other posse is further down, you will see them wandering around, between Fontanka and Griboedova, possibly a little further. In decent weather you will see girls sitting outside the bars and cafes. These are often girls that might also work the clubs and hotels but don't want to pay 'rent'.

I had good, if weird experiences that I won't go into here. ne became my 'girlfriend for a few days, lovely girl. I gave her $50 per day. I look forward to seeing her and her friend when I return. Perhaps she will still have the phone she stole from me so I can call her...

Near the Europa, you have Marstall, on Canal Griboedova, mentioned many times elsewhere and Magrib, on Nevski, opposite the Nevski Palace Hotel. My preference is Magrib, notwithstanding the price. You could look at a place called , IIRC Rossiya, went only once, should have gone more. At the bottom of Nevski is the old favourite Tribunal, now under new, Russian and greedy ownership. It used to be fun, is now a bit seedy and expensive.

Avoid Golden Dolls. It is now an expensive rip off. I hope that they have to close down! Maximus, however is not a bad bet apparently, it gets good reviews from friends who have been, although I have not.

As to taking girls back, ask the girl. She will know what she can do. If you take a girl from a club, in general you can rely upon her honesty. In general, I believe you can in general also. ( Ihad one girl, to whom I gave money, for some reason we got separated, she spent days tracking me down and arranging to meet up again, one of the most memorable women of my long summer trip.

I don't know current rules about hotels, but it has been my expereince, thatthte more expensive the hotel, the more discreet and accommodating they tend to be.

I just read Musketeers post, boy he picks the bad 'uns! Tallinn and now Saint Pete. He was shooting at the girls on Stary Nevski though.
Reading his post reminded me of an expereince a few years ago, in the dead of winter. I was staying in the Hotel Moscow and walking back one night from Marstall, a long walk but I wanted to... There are a few all night 'produktiy', basically grocery and grog shops. In the winter the girls go and huddle in them and when a client comes along, out they go to take a look and sell themselves. Anyway, this night I was by now a little cold, the walk thus far was about 20 minutes in bloody cold snow. I went into one of these shops to buy something and to get a little warm. On my way out, in the doorway, I saw a pimp, with his girl. He obviously thought she was holding back some money... He had her skirt raied up to her waist and was fumbling around in her panties against her vigorous protests. I decided that for the moment I was blind and just walked away, an slightly unnerving sight though.

OttoGraham
11-01-03, 20:05
Dusty, if there are SW on Nevsky, they are VERY discreet. I was there several times last winter, walked many times up and down Nevsky in the area you describe, and didn't see anybody I could characterize as being on the program.

Maybe I didn't notice because I didn't have my hooker radar on.

-Uncle Otto

Dusty Bin
11-02-03, 03:09
Well, perhaps it helps that I was there for a month and also that I was approached by one of the girls in a bistro next to Magrib. We became quite friendly and went out on a couple of dates. Yes, real boy and girl dates.
She was definately working though and she did point out some of the other girls and I met a couple of her working friends. One time we were due to meet, I called her and she put me off for a few minutes as she was as she put it 'talking to a friend' as I walked past her she was talking to a big middle aged German guy, discussing terms. A few minutes later and she was back with me, terms not having been agreed.

I also got overly friendly smiles from some girls who were otherwise looking a little 'lonely'. Late at night, on the Nevski/Grib bridge you will sometimes see a couple of extravagantly gorgeous girls, they work in a 'salon' just down Grib, on the left hand side on the way to the CHurch of the Blood. Don't know the address. I always fiured they were drumming up business on a slack night.

Zadig
11-02-03, 04:07
I agree with dusty's assessments on street action. One of the best places to meet semi-pros is outside of the Kanal Griboyedova metro station. Another place with potential is in the Quo Vadis Internet cafe'.

Also, I have had one very negative experience with the Stary Nevski area. One of my friends insisted that we try the "real" street action. We asked a gypsy cab driver to procure for us. We ended up with a couple of very marginal, obviously addicted dyevushki. I wish that I could say that I didn't partake, but the Flagman took over.

Maximus is only marginally better than GDolls, IMHO. I met one decent girl there. But my friend, who went with her friend, found out that they were heavily into using and selling coke. Bad news in Russia. So I never went out with her. One last bit of advice, FWIW, is to avoid Club Sahara (since Hollywood Nights closed, this may be a moot point since it was associated with that lovely port of call). The dancers there aren't as hot as at Dolls, but are as greedy. Leave them for the clueless touristi.

Ogman
11-03-03, 01:06
Thanks Zadig and Dusty!

Dusty's reference to the Salon is something I did not understand. What is the deal with salons? My preference is a nice bathing, massage, and negotiated special services and hope to try a few Banyas in Moscow. Are salons similar in nature? What do prices run in these places and does anyone have any recommendations for such vendor around St. Pete's?

Ogman

Dusty Bin
11-03-03, 10:01
My surmise as that the girls came from a place nearby that is signed as an 'Eros Centre', if I remember correctly, it is on the same street that I have seen elsewhereas being a brothel, often called a salon.
I know nothing of prices, service etc.

In fact I could be entirely wrong and the girls might just have been waiting for their fathers to return home from work and walking back to their apartment together....
I don't think so though!

Stravinsky
11-03-03, 16:21
Originally posted by OttoGraham
Dusty, if there are SW on Nevsky, they are VERY discreet. I was there several times last winter, walked many times up and down Nevsky in the area you describe, and didn't see anybody I could characterize as being on the program.

Hold it, hold it...wait a minute! Am I hearing this right? Dya-dya Otto is on the prowl for SW's? Will wonders never cease!

Stravinsky

OttoGraham
11-05-03, 16:15
No, not on the prowl. But one can see what's on offer when the Hooker Radar is turned on. Generally I am attunded to looking at any good-looking woman I pass on the street.

If you fellows go to St. Pete and are half-way decent looking you should be prepared for lots of strong eye-to-eye contact from women in a way that never is done Stateside. It can be unnerving, or pleasant, or both! :D

-Uncle Otto

ChicagoBoy23
11-05-03, 18:30
Otto

I want you job. You really get around - Buenos Aires, St. Petersburg

OttoGraham
11-06-03, 14:53
ChicagoBoy, don't miss my reports about Prague, Czech Republic and Kosice, Slovakia, either! I also occasionally report on the London, England board as well....... ;)

-Uncle Otto

Dindle
11-07-03, 01:39
Hello gentlemen,

I am planning 3 weeks in St Petersburg in January and am researching options. Already set with an apartment now looking for female company. I have found several brothels, each with a few girls, along with quite a few independents in apartments. Any one have experiences of this type and/or prices? I have not seen much on the sauna's in St Petes, any suggestions? or thoughts on clubs for non pro females. Sounds like a man might have a little fun in St Petes if he is not careful. Thank you for the help. I will post a report when I return.

Dindle

NY Monger
11-14-03, 14:03
I used to stay at the Europa and the bar scene seems to have women walking in and out. The hotel is discrete but the security guys certainly will ask for commissions.

Years ago, the Europa had a great disco/bar on the top floor, where expats and very expensive Russian women would congregate. I remember one woman asking for $300 for an hour once. I was so dumbfounded I didn't know what to say. Many of the women wanted to stay over a weekend and charged around $300 for that. Maybe it was the great showers.

Across69
11-19-03, 16:26
Here is a very interesting way fing the regular Russian Pros. If you speak Intermediate to Good Russian you can go directly to this site:
http://omen.ru/love/poiski.htm
For those of you like me who only speak a little Russian first open this site:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/ and paste the omen.ru/love/poiski.htm link into the web site translator.
Most of these women probably speak little or no English but since the prices, phone number and sometimes even the metro stations they live at are there you should be able to at least meet them outside a station and sort figure out business. The prices per hour, 2 hours and Night are at the bottom of each page and there are women there for EVERY taste (old, young, fat, big breasts, 2 girls, BSDM, Anal, Etc.)
The site has info for all of Russia but only St. Petersburg and Moscow seem to have alot of entries.
The only this I can say is that I have NOT been to any of the women here as I have a new Russian lady friend. If she does not work out then I will happy to give my first hand experience with the above site.
The only cautionary rule here is that if someone wants to rob you going to thier apartment and having 5 big Russian guys mug you wouldn't be hard so meeting them at a metro station deciding to go to their place or yours is up to you.
Also, for anyone who speaks almost no Russian and can still manage to meet the girl a print out in Russian of her website with the prices clearly on the bottom will prevent "Gringo price hikes". Thanks to MIKE #3 for pointing me to this site

Opebo
11-19-03, 20:30
Across69,

Thanks for the great site information. This one is fascinating. Apparently many girls in Russia are 'preservatif optional' - excellent news! I had thought it was all covered sex over there but apparently not. I will be trying hard to get the money together for a Russia trip.

CA Traveler
11-20-03, 17:11
a69... another good translation site is www.translate.ru If you register, you can translate large volumes of text.

Roger Mellie
11-20-03, 20:05
A69

Its a site I have used a few times in the past. It has a lot more "low budget" options than most sites. And you can sort them by what "services" they offer. But most advertisements there are not new. They are the same advertisemtns placed a a few months ago or maybe even a year ago, for a week. Each week the girls pay money to keep the advert on the site for another week or another day and the advertisement gets "rolled" with a new placement date.

Also you dont get 5 mafia guys at a girls apartment. That stuff just doesnt happen. The apartments are just normal apartments with a few girls in them. You never see another guy in them.

But the tip about printing out the web page is a good, because they do sometimes try and jack up the price if you dont speak russian. And they will offer all sorts of excuses for it like "oh that was an old ad, we forgot to change the price months ago."

Also note that prices quoted are always for "classical". Things like anal typically cost 500 - 600 rubles extra. And if you order viyezd - take away (she comes to your apartment) you will usually have to take her for a minimum of 2 hours.

Across69
12-02-03, 20:15
Finally, I have started enjoying the pleasures of the ladies of the rented virtue! I have tried 2 salons and called a third a few times but cannot understand what they are saying.
First, close to alexander Nevsky Metro. I tried a salon at 170 Nevsky Prospect apt 23(? 4th floor). Door is on side street. 4 girls. Had a good hour for 2000 rbl ($70) with Karina. 20 y/o Looks: 7 attitude: 7 service: 8 Phone# (812) 115-9056. All pics accurate on omen.ru
Next, I have been 4 times to a sallon DIRECTLY across the street from Cafe Magrib. 53 Nevsky Prospect. To the left facing cafe Torres. Go under arch and there is a green money exchange to your right. The apartment building door next to the exchange has the code 4-5-7 and go up 3 flights to apt #36. phone(812) 972-2793. Girls: Dasha, Diana, Vica and Sveta.Accurate pics on Omen.ru. I will post Diana and Sveta's pic on the Pic page. Price 1400 rbl/hour all girls say they do anal but only apparently if you can fit your penis into a roll of lifesavers. Had Dasha alone twice. Both times Near GFE (only missing the kissing directly on the mouth) DATY. Looks 8, attitude 9 service 9.
Had 3some Dahsa and Diana. 2800rbl ,Nice Lesbo show, Dasha was great and Diana was very tender but reserved. Diana: Looks 6 attitude 7, Service 8 No DATY this time though.
Finally, Sveta 1400 rbl/hr pretty, great body, NO personality. The distant look on her face in her pics never changed. Left the room several times, stoping and starting and kept complaining that the little general was hurting her and to slow down. Almost didn't get off. Looks 9 Attitude 2 Service 3. Talked to Vica with looks of 9 also but gave me the same vibe as Sveta so I asked for Dahsa with no regrets.
PLEASE: Anyone who speaks reasonable Russian please call this number: (812)971-8865 and post the directions with nearest metro. I can only get address 17 building 5 in the Center of town but not the street or metro. 5 girls at $35/hour each. Lulu, Valya, victoria, katya, angelica. If I get adequate directions I will go and post my experiences here.

Doctor_Skank
12-03-03, 13:44
Holy Cow A69, I stayed in an apartment in the same building as the salon you mention being across the street from Magrib and I didn't know how close paradise was from me! Really had no idea there was a salon in there, it is otherwise just a normal apartment building. I'm depressed!

I am flying to St.Pete on Sunday, do you happen to remember the business hours of that place? My work after biz dinners ends at about midnight, any chance of still scoring there that late? I'm bored with Marstalls and Tribunal.

I called the number of the place you are looking for, the nearest metro is Gostinny Dvor.

Doctor_Skank
12-03-03, 19:50
A69,

Correct my info from earlier, apparently it is close to Metro Ploschad Vosstaniya, on Grechevsky Prospekt (behind Oktyabryskaya Hotel). The lady on the phone was fairly rude though and when I asked for the house number she hung up.

Dusty Bin
12-03-03, 20:30
If you are bored with the old faithfulls then go to Magrib. Expensive to get it, but good surroundings and plenty to look at and take away.

Doctor_Skank
12-03-03, 20:40
Dusty_bin,

I know Magrib fairly well as a "normal" disco but have never taken any professional play back from there although I have been propositioned there before. It's a cool place.

I have a prob though, I'll only be in St.Pete Sunday and Monday, leaving Tuesday. Any action there on those days?

CA Traveler
12-05-03, 16:31
doc... Here's some info on Spb from my friend who is an "expert" on Spb. It's not much, but maybe it's better than nothing!

"I'm not out that often and things do change, but Magrib is definately the place on Sundays. Mondays are pretty slow everywhere, but Marstall is the surest bet to at least have some people and of course the usual collection of hags. If he's looking for a regular bar and is on the younger side (doc, COMPARED TO ME, YOU ARE DEFINITELY ON THE YOUNGER SIDE!!!), Club Metro gets a good crowd on Mondays also. "

IMHO, get thee to Moscow where there's life every single night! :)

Dusty Bin
12-19-03, 14:24
Magrib is busy every night except IIRC Monday when just the front bar is open. It is just a question of degree.

Marstall is busy every night but again a question of degree. Of course the same girls are there every night...

There is a private club called Absinthe that might be worth checking out. Many of the girls from Magrib go there, ask about it, but I think it is not cheap.

SexyMiky
12-23-03, 16:51
I was in ST PET :) I stayed at a hotel on Nevsky called Pulfard. Not bad, a clean hotel, nice location next to the train station. After 10 pm there is a group of woman across the street from the station. I had one girl for $50 for 2 hours, stay away, no good. I also went to Tribunal bar late at night.

The next day aprox 40 girls, all asking for $150 for few hours. I paid $100 had a sweet girl from Moscow good service .

I asked the hotel rep for Sauna and she called the Peter Hotel. They have sauna. The cost is 1000 ruple for 2 hours. They ask me if I wanted a girl, I said yes so they brought young girls. Nice looking, 2000 ruple for 2 hours. The service was ok. A very clean place. I recomend it. They have a Hotel upstairs too :)

I did not have the chance to visit the incall Saloons that was mentioned before.

Have fun and stay warm :)

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Traveller22
12-27-03, 22:22
Privet vsem, Hello everybody!

I am living in Petersburg till the end of February 2004. If any fellow monger is interested to meet to pick up regular girls together please let me know.

Doctor_Skank
01-05-04, 09:21
Dusty Bin and other St.P experts:

Do you know of a good place to watch NFL football in St.P? I am planning on watching the playoffs on Sunday night and don't know where to go. PitStop?

Thanks for your help!

OttoGraham
01-05-04, 15:24
Too late now for this advice for yesterday's games, but for next weekend, if you didn't find anyplace, Doctor, I would suggest calling up the U.S. Consulate and asking the Marine NCO on duty where his fellow Devil Dogs watch. Those guys will be watching the game in St. Pete if it is humanly possible!

-Uncle Otto

Member #4732
01-11-04, 09:01
I have the opportunity to spend a month during the spring/summer in either Prague or St. Petersburg. I am interested in hearing opinions on which city would be better for such an extended trip, particularly in regards to the subjects on this forum.

I know there is no right or wrong answer to this question, but I respect the opinions of my fellow travelers.Please factor in the special nature of a multi-week trip as opposed to a short hop. This would mean taking into consideration that the city can be used as a base of operations for weekend travel to nearby destinations.

I have been to Prague recently, have never been to St. Petersburg or anywhere in Russia.

Dusty Bin
01-11-04, 18:55
I have made several visits to both cities and stayed for a long time in Saint Petersburg. (several weeks). I would wholeheartedly recommend Saint Petersburg although I am sure you would enjoy Prague also. SPb has so much to do in all senses as well as opportunities to trave; omwards and outwards, possibly accompanied by one of your new girl friends. Moscow is easy, Novgorod is close. The weather wil be pleasant during the spring.

Plenty of women from all sources.

Prices reasonable, certainly more so than Prague.

Have fun.

ChicagoBoy23
01-11-04, 19:11
St. Petersburg is very cold in the spring. I was there in May and it snowed (plus ice still in river).

That being said - the girls are gorgeous and friendly. Lots of great palaces and museums. Nevsky avenue is very live every night with lots of people windowshopping etc.

If you don't mind cool spring weather - I thought St. Petersburg was great and would go back in a minute.

Snowy
01-11-04, 20:28
Rovnak

Completely agree with Dusty Bin and Chicagoboy in reccomending SPB, especially for an extended stay. Beautiful and interesting city with loads of places to go for both entertainment and of general interest and no where near as expensive as Moscow. I found the people incredibly friendly and generous and the women are gorgeous. I think you'll have even more opportunities with regular girls as you won't just be there for a short stay.

I haven't really got anything against Prague, but I think it is becoming more of a short visit city, and possibly is picking up some of the worst traits of Amsterdam with the number of weekenders who go there.

I just think that SPB is a great place - I would love to live there for a bit!

CA Traveler
01-12-04, 14:06
R... If your trip is Prague anytime after the end of May, skip it. Especially if you have already been, the tourists make the city unbearable in the Summer. Spb is a fun town, but if you're looking for P4P, you will be bored to tears within a week or two. Of course, you can always head to Moscow which offers something new every night.

Member #4732
01-12-04, 19:22
Thanks for the opinions guys.

CA Traveler, that is just the issue, I do not want to be bored to tears two weeks into the trip. I will be working on the trip, so it will not be all play, but I would like to have a high play quotient. :) P4P in St. Petersburg does not have a great web presence, not many good web sites, that is what concerned me. I suppose I could do some weekenders to Moscow.

The point about Prague and tourists is valid and worth considering.

Dusty, do you really think St. P is less expensive than Prague? I was getting the opposite impression from this forum.

OttoGraham
01-12-04, 19:30
Rovnak

Over the past couple of years I've spent some time in both SPB and Prague, so I have some basis for comparison. Being an epicurean, I preferred the style of life and food more in Prague than in SPB. I think the women are better looking and more do-able in SPB. Even if you are an ugly git like me, you'll be deluged in amateur Russkie broads wanting to tend to your needs if you just treat them halfway decently.

A funny story - I was in SPB attending a classical music concert (not the Mariinsky, but a smallish, inexpensive theater) along with my Russkie former GF. There were probably a dozen nice-looking women in the crowd of 300 who gave me the heavy eye-contact and "please say hello to me" look when I was milling about looking at exhibits and having a drink prior to the show, at intermission, or afterwards. For comparison purposes I'm in my mid-30s and am no prize in the looks department. However, I dress decently, appear to be employed, and don't stink of vodka, so I am a valuable commodity to a lot of those women.

-Uncle Otto

Dusty Bin
01-12-04, 21:51
Just a thought.
If you are going to be in either city for a month and need to rely entirely upon P4P, then you be a sadder boy than me!

I would dispute CAtravellers point, but, even if it were true, there is no need to rely upon paying a tart to drop her keks!

Paying can and should be a pleasant addition to ones social and sexual repertoire, not a replacement. Paying is always, ultimately, boring and Saint Petersburg offers an excellent environment to enjoy women in all social settings! (As does Prague, it is simply that one is better than the other.) BTW in the Spring, you will not be wandering around shirt-sleeved, but the weather is very pleasant. In the summer, the tarmac on the streets can even start to melt. That is a little too much for me...

Goldfinger
01-13-04, 14:04
How would you compare St. Petersburg and Tallinn?

Dusty Bin
01-13-04, 19:28
They are very different, I spend a lot of time in Tallinn and it is 'home'. On the whole, I would suggest that Talinn is a much less pressurised place, more laid back in terms of man/woman stuff. It is of course a much smaller city. I think also much less expensive for most things.

If you want to shag a lot, either place will work, on the whole, I prefer Tallinn as a place to live and enjoy the women, but then I am not constantly chasing hookers!

Dusty Bin
01-13-04, 19:33
Rovnak, as to cost, if you can get a decent apartment in walking distance of the centre of town for less than $400 per month in Prague then it might be cheaper. As for paying for sex, well if you like brothels then Prague might be cheaper, becasue there is not the same emphasis on that trade in saint Pete. OTOH there is plenty on Russian language sites, some listed on this thread. If like me you enjoy a mixed diet then I think Saint Pete wins, not least becasue living there is relatively inexpensive so dating and social stuff is cheaper.

If you want a $100 shag, well they are in every city in the world, in almost every club...

Laurent
01-15-04, 12:17
Hello Guys I come to Pete end of this month. Can you tell me some nice places to go to?

Member #4732
01-16-04, 09:54
Thanks for info guys. One last question. Do the girls in SPG expect/prefer hard US currency?

I see most of the web sites specifying rates in $. Personally, I don't like to carry cash with me, I prefer to withdraw from ATM as needed, but of course that would be in local currency.

Thanks.

Dusty Bin
01-17-04, 17:34
If you are going to be paying hard currency then they will nowadays tend to prefer Euros as a more stable currency. Their pricing is nowadays usually in Euros, which means prices relatively unchanged over several years, unless you are using Dollars.

Generally, I paid in Roubles, although as I said, they think in Euros.

At one time they would ask for, say $100, or 100Euro, nowadays, they ask for 100Euro and of course, more Dollars. although the value is of course the same.

I would not change Dollars to Euros though, youjust lose on the exchange and in real terms it makes no difference whether you use Robles, Dollars or Euros

Nyc Expat
01-17-04, 18:25
Dusty
Slight correction. The Euro is worth approximately 26-28% more than the dollar at current exchange rates. So, if one can pay in dollars, I suggest to do so and save.

Dusty Bin
01-18-04, 02:29
Errr no...

If you ask the price they will quote for example 100Euro. If you want to pay in dollars they will want about $130. The women may be many things, stupid is not one of them!

If you travel from the US, take Dollars, otherwise use Euros or Roubles, exchanging money twice is never sensible.

As I said prices in Euros have remained unchanged for some time since at one time the girls either did not take Euros or asked for the same amount in Euros or Dollars as this was to the girls favour, or later of no import when the Dollar and Euro were at, around, parity. As the Dollar has fallen in value against both the Rouble and Euro, the Euro has retained the same rate vis a vis the Rouble (approximately).

For those whose maths is not so good, just use Roubles, it is always easier, but I know that many Americans only feel safe with Dollars in their pocket ;)

The girls do nowadays prefer the Euro over the Dollar for the reasons that I gave. Travellers will have noticed this tendency in many other CEE countries recently.

CA Traveler
01-18-04, 11:17
db... I hope this trend to ask for Euros in just in Spb. I have yet to have a girl ask me for Euros in Moscow. I hope they don't figure it out!

Nyc Expat
01-18-04, 11:45
I can understand the reason for their asking for Euros in SPB.

For one thing, the currency's value stability and secondly, SPB is close to West European countries. They can within 1½-2½ hrs. arrive in Helsinki, Berlin, Paris, etc. and enjoy their HARD earned wages without currency exchange fees or fluctuation as compared to the falling dollar.

Doctor_Skank
01-18-04, 20:30
Recently stayed at Hotel Oktyabryskaya in St.Pete. Not ideal for mongering, but cheap, clean and conveniently located.

There are girls working in the cafe-bar which if I remember correctly is on the second floor. When I was there there were 8 girls, of which 2 were very doable, 1 from Sakhalin Island (although not Asian-looking) was really sweet and we spoke, played pool and drank together for about two hours before I went to my room...alone. I didn't feel quilty about wasting her time, I was the only potential john there. Lobby girl on a slow night... what a boring life that must be.

Anyway, as point of reference, she was asking $120 for an hour or $200 for two hours. Since the room only cost $70 a night, I found the the prices a bit high for a single hour. I countered with $100 for 2 hours but she didn't budge. So I called it a night. It was late and I was tired, so I saved my cash for Moscow.

Bacardi Blast
01-23-04, 01:36
I was in SPB in 2001 and went to a strip club named Golden girls. Expensive place but the girls are very preety also. The price for a 2 hour short time was u$400. It was beyond my budget.

Is it still there? What is the price now if any one knows Please let us know.
thanks

Doctor_Skank
01-23-04, 07:42
Bacardi Blast:

Golden Dolls is still there and getting to be more and more of a rip off place. Girls are still cute, but are pushier and much less accomodating than in the past. Haven't been there in months with no plans to return for that same reason. I long for the pre-2000 days when it was under different management and one of the best places on the planet and when with some sweet talk you could agree to meet the girls outside of the club for a free "date" or "city tour" with the possibility of more. Prices for take out were always high though, I remember quotes of $350-500... all of course ridiculous.

Anybody experienced some positive development there recently? I used to love the place but now have scratched it of my "St.Pete To Do" list...

Dusty Bin
01-24-04, 03:25
Avoid Golden Dolls like the plague. The old version was fun, with girls who at least pretended to enjoy the work. Now, just a blatant rip off. At least the place seems to have few clients these days.
I hope it closes.

Eros74
02-01-04, 23:55
Ciao all,

I am planning travel to Saitn for the first time. Can some of us please give me some information about where to go to find normal woman, as disco and so on, and where to go if I won't find a normal woman:O). I mean to have cheap sex. Surely I think I will have not problem to find a woman for 3-400$ for the night:O).

And who knows some website where I can find rent a flat in Saint?

Thank you all, for the answer.

Luca

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Andy J
02-03-04, 13:18
Privet guys,

For renting flats, the cheapest, and most honest guy I've dealt with, is Alexei Masslenikov who lives at http://www.ltour.ru. He organizes visas and accommodation vouchers too, more cheaply than anybody else, so if you've not already got your paperwork sorted out for your trip, he's the best guy to speak with, if a bit disorganized from time to time. I've been to st pete a few times where he did the paperwork + flats and it's always worked out perfectly.

For girls, well, I wouldn't go flashing $400 about the place. Try a more reasonable $100 for the night, or just tot along to Marstall and try and pull a freebie :-)

Andy

Dusty Bin
02-03-04, 23:33
Freebie at Marstall...

Hooker central....?

Not saying it can't be done, but for a freebie it is not exactly target rich!

Metro, Aerodrome, Plage etc maybe.

Magrib, on the right night when the moon is full.

Marstall, thats like saying that you can buy a Whopper with Cheese at McDonalds!

Bez Bezarra
02-04-04, 01:58
ANDY J,

What does Alexei charge for visa, for voucher, and for flat per day?

Andy J
02-04-04, 02:41
Freebie at Marstall...

Yep, can be done -- and a fine night it was as well! :)

Having said that, though, Metro is rather more target rich, if a bit of a hike from the fancy end of Nevskii, where I tend to stay. Haven't been to the other two, though; where are they?

Money Honey's good for a laugh too, and have come close enough to a couple of freebies there too. Excess alcohol, the presence of friends from home with whom I was sharing several flats on various occasions, both combining to put the tin hat on each of these outings, sadly.

Andy J
02-04-04, 11:15
Prices with Alexei are something similar to the following:

Last year, he was charging around $25 for the tourist invitation invitation and accommodation voucher, both of which he'll fax to your home country free-of-charge. When you get to Russia, you've to register within two working days of arrival -- if you get to St Pete within this time, he'll do the registration for you for another 500 Pyb or so (this price is variable, as it's charged by a hotel which 'books you in' for one night and the 500 Pyb is the price for their cheapest room -- this may vary as it's at the whim of a bunch of larcenous hoteliers up near Finlandskii train station).

BTW, I should say here that the prices charged by various other russian travel outfits (which I won't name in publicly, but anybody who's tried to do this before will probably have come across one or two of them), are a rip-off. Generating the paperwork at the Russian end is (fairly) simple and these folks behind websites charging $100 or $150 for paperwork are less than honest, in my not-so-humble opinion.

Anyhow, back to the story. If you don't get to St Pete within two working days, but land in Moscow instead, I recommend kipping at the Gostinitsa Rossia, just off Red Square, and book an 'old style' room. Not only will this be something of an experience in itself, but the hotel's slap bang in the middle of Moscow for around $40 a night which is pretty good. The Rossia has its own cop station and registration bureau on the east wing which do registrations overnight.

Flats in St Pete come in all shapes and forms, from the very cheap ($5 per night with a babushka on the outskirts, which you can organize at Moskovskii train station, if you want an even more authentic soviet experience than the Rossia), rising to very plush flats on, or just off, Palace Square -- Dvortsovaya ploschad -- coming in at anything up to $150 per night.

On Alexei's website at http://www.ltour.ru, there's a listing of flats, pictures, prices and the rest. In the past, I've stayed in city-center flats for anything from $35 per day up to $80 per day -- your mileage will vary, depending on what's available at the time and what you wish to spend. He'll usually give you a selection of two or three locations to choose from, once you let him know your price range. The most important thing to look out for is a hot water tank within the flat, and not to rely on a communal hot water supply which may dry up at random during the winter, and even worse, during the summer months.

St Pete's a nine-ringed circus and you'll never be bored.

Andy

Stravinsky
02-05-04, 01:39
Andy J,

Thanks for the info. Can you tell me, do you have any recent experience staying at the Rossia, in Moscow? I understand there are dyevs who work in the hotel, but I'm wondering about the possibility of bringing in dyev's from NF or a tochka.

Also, the last time I was there was about 10 years ago. I must have had one of the "old style" rooms. Have they modernized the place at all, or is it still the same drab Soviet style?

For price and location it can't be beat.

Thanks,

Stravinsky

Andy J
02-05-04, 09:54
More info on the Rossia.

This thread's probably more appropriate, now, to the Moscow forum, so I'll post my reply there :)

Peter Pan 2
02-14-04, 15:01
Dear hobby friends,

Last year I visited St Petersburg and found a great american friend who spoke russian and helped me a lot with the hobbying. He gave me a local magazine with all the girls in appartements complete with pictures and all. After I chose them he would make the phone calls and gave me the info on appartement, floor and adress by SMS.This way I was able to go to all the salons where I would normally never get to. The prices were much lower than in the tourist places and the girls were very friendly and beautiful.
He also had a girlfriend Natascha that I did onces at $70 for an hour and she was the hottest thing I can remember. I would really advise using his services for anybody that does not speak russian himself. So not to come over as an advertisement I will supply his email adress to anybody going there and interested, just not leave it here in the open because I want him to stay in business.

Andy S
02-19-04, 17:33
He gave me a local magazine with all the girls in appartements complete with pictures and all.70% of photos in these local magazines are fakes.

Peter Pan #2
Could you post there the address (street name) of the salon which you had visited?

Peter Pan 2
02-19-04, 23:43
You are probably right about the accuracy of the foto's in the magazine. That being said I had a good time in all of them and there were a lot of nice sexy ladies in there whom I would have never met without his help.

The adresses are far from my mind because I only used them once in every instance and they are comprised of a street, flat, floor and appartement number. On several occasions I waited outside at a certain point, send an SMS to Mike that I was there and he then phoned the appartement. After a few minutes a girl would pick me up and take me to the appartement which always was one or two blocks away. Never did I have any problem, I did not feel threatened and if Mike did not like what he heard on the phone he would phone another one.

I visited at least 5 appartements this way. The girls were beautiful, very active sexually and a lot cheaper than the escorts or hotel girls. I paid $60 once for a threesome with two of the most sexy blondes I ever saw. It lasted two hours. The memory even now still brings a smile to my face.

Across69
02-27-04, 10:54
Here is a compiled index of working apartments I made from the Omen.ru website. The ONLY place I have personal experience with is the first one one the list. This is the apartment at 53 Nevsky Prospect mentioned in my 12/2/03 post. Apparently, all of the women working there have changed.
First listed are current working girls from Omen.ru (you need to usually ask for a girl by name on the phone for them to give you directions, apartment numbers, door codes, etc.). The girls change so you will probably want to check out the website if has been more than a few months since this post (unless you can bluff well in Russian). I have tried "Gde Devoshki" (where are the girls?) with only limited success. Next are the phone numbers and lastly is the price in dollars quoted per hour.

Margarita, Olya, Leah, Kristina (812)9722793 ---$50
Olga, Lola, Sabrina, Natashka (911)2966407 ---$50
Veronika, Sasha, Suzanna, Marina (812)1150772 ---$50
Diana, Polina, Marina Lera- (812)9721226 ---$70
Irina, Jasmina, Olga, Marinoshka--- (812)9134545 ---$70
Tamara, Matasha, Marina, Elizabeth, Mashinka, Inga,Alina, Galina, Xenya (812)9606627 ---$70
Dinara, Melina, Stella, Karina, Natasha, Katya, Sveta, Lena,Valentine, Nina (812)2737401 ---$45
Dasha, Zeneshka, Anna, Leroshka, Lera (812)3875993 ---$45
Dana, Zanna, Svetlana, Alena(812)3894288 ---$50
Diana, Svetlana, Inga, Ilona(921)7937543 ---$70
Yunna, Angela, Mila, Lina(812)9730428 ---$45
Ayna, Lika, Angelika(921)3517787 ---$43
Angel, Melina, Lela, Ruta (812)9730494 ---$100
Xusha, Regina, Marta(812)2742541 ---$40
Kat, Louisa, Vica, Evgenia(812)2747802 --$33
Alya, Julya, Nina, Nadia(812)9723727 ----$30
Nastya, Katya, Dasha, Lera (812)3707630 ---$50
Dasha, Karina, Elizabeta, Margarita,Valerya (812)9740812 ---$50
Kristina, Olga, Anita (812)9722164 ---$50
Rimma, Vanda, Linda, Lara, Oxana, Rosa (812)9733081 ---$50
Ilya, Irisha,Kristina, Marisha, Olya (911)2958788 ---$50
Michella, Lisa, Katusha, Kristina, Xosha(812)9740838 ---$50
Maria, Lera, Anna, Nicole, Natalya (812)9742340 ---$80
Olga, Renata, Sneganna, Angelica (812)9888883 ---$50
About 30 Girls on list (812)9743848 --- $40-$50

None of these places probably speak much English, but once you can actually find them I personaly have never had much problem getting down to business.
If you have any good/bad/scary experiences or if any of these numbers are DOA please let us all know and remember the directions to the place if possible! Happy Hunting

Mohctep
02-29-04, 17:51
Is there any sense in going to St-Pete versus Moscow?
I have been to St-Pete and have seen the city and museums/theaters, so I am only interested in girls now.
So far I’ve seen that asking prices are 120-130 for 1-2 hours. And they don’t budge. Is it lack of competition?
I have checked apartment rentals and to my surprise downtown apartments in Moscow are 10-30% cheaper...( with the same number of rooms and amenities).
I know about bridges that add to inconvenience in navigating city at night. I also assume that there are fewer clubs and hangouts in ST-Pete as it is smaller city. Does it mean that talent is more concentrated since they have fewer places to go to?

I need an advise of those who know both cities well. I am fluent in Russian and looking for girls only. Is it worth for me to check St-Pete? Or is it smaller and shabbier version of Moscow with somewhat higher prices?
How are the prices on restaurnats,entrance fees to clubs, taxi services etc.
Please advise.

CA Traveler
03-01-04, 18:39
monster... I happen to agree with you, but here's my take on it... Some mongers absolutely love Spb and they get very defensive if you are critical of the mongering opportunities in Spb. Howver, personally, I feel like I am on a desert island when in Spb COMPARED to Moscow. Moscow has so many options compared to Spb AND, like you, think that generally Spb is a much more expensive place to visit and to play. Right off the top, the problem is that everything is priced in Euros instead of USD.

Of course, if you come to Russia and have never been to Spb... it makes sense to check the city out because the city and the museums are beautiful.

Blake7
03-03-04, 12:23
Guys,

I will be in St Pete from 28th March to 3rd April. On my previous trip I only really checked out Marstalls which was a bit bleak. Can anyone recommend any bars like Chesterfield's in Moscow or do such dives not exist in St Pete? Also anyone out there game for meeting up for a beer at this time?

Andy S
03-03-04, 18:00
Also anyone out there game for meeting up for a beer at this time?Hey Blake7

I live here, so I am here everytime. Of course we can meet for a beer here.

Best regards,

Andy

Doctor_Skank
03-04-04, 10:33
Blake7,

Marstalls is quite bleak and getting bleaker, at least in my experience. There is also Tribunal, which is essentially a different version of Marstalls. Some days Marstalls is better, somedays Tribunal. I tend to think they both are quite depressing when you've seen them more than once or twice. Prices are $100+, but I haven't taken a girl home from either of these places in over a year.

A better selection is Magrib across the street from the Corinthia Nevsky Palace (formerly Sheraton). Lot of cute regular girls, some pros. Expect to pay about $150+. But it isn't truly a place like CF, as the pro scene is more subtle and most of the girls in Magrib are normal and not that easy to pick up. Nonetheless, it is a nice place to hang out and during my last trip there I saw some seriously hot babes, somewhat restoring my faith in St.Pete dyevs.

Other guys know St.P better, but for me it is a pretty bleak place for mongering, as saunas, internet and hotel girls seem to be the best options and I don't like any of these alternatives.

Apparently there is a town outside of St.Pete called Viborg (?) which has an interesting pro scene, but I am not sure whether making the trip is really worth the effort.

BTW: Am still not all that happy that you said you wanted to meet for a beer in Moscow and then just disappeared. It is not that I waited around for you or anything, but I would prefer if people just say they can't meet as opposed to saying they want to and then going silent.

Andy S
03-04-04, 10:43
Apparently there is a town outside of St.Pete called Viborg (?) which has an interesting pro scene, but I am not sure whether making the trip is really worth the effort.The situation is very bad in Vyborg. I visit there every 2 weeks by my work. Only some average quality pros. in the hotel "Drujba" on week-ends, all other are streetwalkers with really very bad quality of service. So, it does not cost to go to Vyborg for girls hunting.

Best regards,

Andy

Dusty Bin
03-04-04, 14:31
I have always felt that Magrib was mostly girls who were at least 'semi-pro', but I have never actually directly paid for a girl from there. I do know that I have dated a couple of girls from there who were listed on Escort sites in the city and on one occasion, after assurances to the contrary, I was asked for a 'little gift' of $100. I think she was trying to avoid paying the rent.

The rent system at Magrib tends to favour the irregular semi pros rather than the regular faces that one sees at Marstall. Girls pay $20 per guy they take out, no score, no pay. Marstal, is a weekly rental of IIRC $100. That is why Magrib has a changing set of faces (and impression of civilians rather than pros) and Marstall has the same faces year in year out.

Tribunal need to get back the original owners, or at least their business ethic, greedy russians have made the place much less fun. Not worth the trip to the river.

Vyborg, is a town near the Finnish border, used to be a Finnish town until the Russians annexed it during WW2. Still looks kinda Finnish. Run down, full of beer and sex tourists from Finland. Very depressing, horrid sort of place.

Doctor_Skank
03-05-04, 14:10
Thanks guys for your expert advice. Sounds like Magrib really is the place to go.

If anybody wants very detailed info on the "rent" paid at Marstalls, Tribunal etc. do a forum search on dusty_bin and you shall find some very interesting info.

Vyborg sounds like it should be removed from everybody's collective memory.

Ricardo Cabro
03-05-04, 17:54
Blake 7, Andy S,

I will also be in SPb from 28th March and would be pleased to meet up for a beer or 2.

I wholeheartedly agree with fellow posters about Marstall becoming very grim. I have visited several times in recent years but the last few times the whole place looked tired, not just the girls. The only hassle I have ever had from police in Russia has been outside Marstalls. In December I left alone and was immediately stopped by four police who asked me lots of questions (where are you staying, where are your drugs, have you been drinking, etc). They were not moved by threats to call the Consulate and simply helped themselves to my money. Exact same thing happened about 2 years earlier, and I had stopped visiting Marstall because of this. The common factor each time was that I left alone. I never had problems when I left with a girl.

I felt the atmosphere at Tribunal had also died a bit in December so for next visit I will focus on Magrib and a couple of apartments I found last time.

Blake7
03-16-04, 16:30
Dr Skank,

Thank you once more for your sound advice. It seems that Magrib is the place to be in St Pete.

Apologies for not calling about our beer in CF - to cut a long story short I got tied up with something (not literally!) Anyway if I ever bump into you again at any salubrious bar drinks are definately on me.

As to the other guys who are in St Pete at the end of the month - lets do it! I will be there for the week from 28th March to 4th April. Would be interested in Magrib on Friday 2nd April for sure. Are you around Dr Skank?

By the way I go to Nizhny Novgorod on the 4th for a couple of days. Anyone know of any action there?

Andy S
03-17-04, 19:14
Blake7

I am still here and I visit some places every ftiday. Send me PM if you are interested and I will send you my contacts.

Andy

Doctor_Skank
03-18-04, 08:26
Blake7 and all, won't be around at the end of March/early April...I'll be in Moscow in early April... but wish you all a great time. Please report your experiences here. Thanks!

Speed of Light
03-18-04, 11:10
Vyborg is a relatively small town (population approx. 80.000), so the sex-scene is of course nothing compared to St.P. Price range is probably a little lower though, and some jewels can be found.

I still wouldn't recommend Vyborg to anybody, it's such an anemic place. I live only 50 kilometers from the town on the other side of the iron curtain (which still exists in my opinion), but even I don't consider Vyborg a good choice for mongering. Geographical distance to Tallinn may be greater from my point of view, but mentally it is a lot closer, and also faster and cheaper to get to (no need for visas, car insurances), even though you need to use a ferry. Not to mention that the city itself offers far more attractions.

As far as St. Petersburg is considered, many ferry companies are now offering cruises there from Helsinki, so that might be a viable option for many.

Eros74
03-29-04, 20:02
Ciao all fellow Mongers,

Please can someone can help me? I will be in Piter and I need some contact of person that rent a flat in Piter. Anybody knows or can help me?

Thank you very much in advance to all!

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CA Traveler
03-30-04, 19:32
L... try www.oksanas.net I've used her before for apartments and her service is good. Don't discuss the hobby with her because she's a good resource and not into our program.

Eros74
03-30-04, 19:49
Ca traveler,

Thank you very much for reply. I know Oksana, but she doesn't have flat free in my period, so I may look for another possibility. Another person that rent flat in Piter and no worry, I will not speak or share none information about us and wsg with person that rent flat or similar, but thank for the advice.

Best regards,

Luca

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Tits_Lover
03-31-04, 09:36
CA_T
That's true but her prices are not really so convenient. I am sure she started to gather for rich tourists who don't mind spending bit more but having a good service (she does provide a good one together with her US bf).
The fact is that local prices are much lower but of course more difficult to be found by a normal tourist coming there for the first time or without local connections.
Decent apartments can be found even at $200/month ... but you need again local connections.

Planning my next trip there as well :)
Any feedback from anyone about www.petersex.info ?

Cheers

Andy S
03-31-04, 15:19
Hey guys!

Forget these prices 200$ per appartment in month! I am living here. And very small 1-room appartment will cost 250-300$ minimum. And it will be located 15-20km from city centre! Appartments in centre costs starting 400..500$ per month. And usually you will pay 1month fee to the agency for services.

Best regards,

Andy

CA Traveler
03-31-04, 19:39
tl... not that this really matters to most people, but my experience is that short term apartment rentals in Spb are much more expensive than Moscow. Probably because there are fewer hotels and more tourists. Also, they are all priced in Euros. I haven't been to Spb in almost two years, but when I recently researched apartments there I was shocked at the pricing.

Secondly, there are a lot of myths about Russian apartments and prices, at least in Moscow. In December, I did a very intensive search of apartments looking for an apartment. I can promise you that, depending on the size, any apartment in the center of Moscow that is renting for less than $800 for studios and probably $900-1000+ for a 1 bedroom... even those apartments are Russian quality and are not equipped so that most Americans would want to stay there.

Furthermore, since the middle of last year the dollar has dropped dramatically and the rental prices of apartments have gone up a lot recently.

Let me know if you include Moscow in your trip and maybe we can hook up for a beer.

Eros74
03-31-04, 20:10
TL,

Ciao, you are right. Yes Oksana,has only prices in euro and for my budget a little expensive, don't you have any contact that rents flat in Piter please?

I tried also write mail to http://www.ltour.ru/index.php3 but after 3 days they yet not answer me, so I don't know, but in city of about 5,5 milion persons it's hard to believe there are only 2 web address that rent flat. Some of us any suggest, please?

Regards, ciao,

Luca

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Tits_Lover
04-01-04, 15:43
Yes guys, you are all right. My $200/month was not for a well located apartment. Generally yes, prices seem to rise up .... euro is getting stronger and in Russia they are looking to make more money from tourist. After all it is their normal attitude to try to make a better business.
CAT: the project I told you before has been put on hold. Therefore I will go again myself to SPB for a few days trying to meet again few old freebies I met there last time. MetroClub rules on the weekend but want to try new places as well :)

I am also looking for a place to rent in there and I am trying to pull all the ropes and contacts I have there. Will be pleased to share once I will find something.

Cheers

Laurent
04-07-04, 15:47
Hello guys,

Can anybody tell me where te gil friendly hotels are in Saint Pete? Please do not give only the expensive once because I do not have enough nomey to pay more than 100 eur a night.

If you can tell me some nice places, let me know.

Thanks

SexyMiky
04-08-04, 03:30
Laurent,

90-91 Nevsky prospect last year i paid $70 for double very nice and clean hotel next to the Moscow train station, i brought in a woman from Tribunal bar at 2 am they just buzzed me in :)

Member #4369
04-13-04, 09:05
Gentlemen,

I'm an experienced pussy hound from Romania and on my way to St Petersburg for a week next month. Some advice would be appreciated:

1) Clubs: what are best places to meet collegey, bohemien type chicks? Clubs for slutty looking whorish types?

2) Internet sites: Are there any local, free internet dating sites?

3) Ads: where is best place for me to post an ad looking for relationship?

4) aparment rental: anyone know any decent agencies?

Thank you,

RoPickle

CA Traveler
04-13-04, 10:20
RoP... just wondering why you're planning on staying in Spb for a full month... Why don't you head south and experience the real nightlife capitol... Moscow? IMHO, I think you'll be bored to tears after a week or so in Spb. Let me know if you decide to forsake the land of tourists for the real Russian Sex Buffet and maybe we can hook up for a beer.

Try www.oksanas.net or www.nevsky88.net for an apartment.

Have fun and take lotsa pictures!

Member #4369
04-13-04, 15:43
Thanks CA Traveller!

I am working the week before in Moscow, and taking a week, not a month, in St Petersburg. I never had luck in Moscow, wanted to give St. Pete's a try. But do you think I would be better off dedicating a week in Moscow or St. Petersburg?

Thanks for your advice.

RoPickle

Street Sleuth
04-13-04, 17:45
RoP:

Apartments: I worked with 'City Realty' - they have a website, could be cityrealty.com, but I really don't remember - if you look up city realty saint petersburg, you should find it. Around $40/night for one bedroom in center.

Girls: There are a few places - Marstall - modest sized place, lots of foreign guys, good number of local girls (non-working), and miscellaneous working girls (can be tough to distinguish at first, but they'll let you know...).

There is also Magrib - its a bit bigger, and more of a sure thing if you're looking for pay for play.

Metro Club supposedly has lots of young (as in 18-22), non-working girls, though I haven't made it there yet.

If money is no object - you could go to someplace like Golden Dolls...though that's not my style.

CA Traveler
04-13-04, 19:06
RoP... I guess I misread your post... a week makes more sense. However, I'm partial to Moscow. PM me and maybe we can hook up next month when you're in Moscow.

Jack 2004
04-20-04, 23:11
Hi, gentlemen,

I have just come back from my beloved Sank Peterburg. The economic situation seems to have improved and people (including girls) goes on being so kind, but mongering isn’t so easy and satisfying as before, at least for me.

Tribunal isn’t the same. An old known girl explained us that there were some problems and younger girls must go now to Marstall (Koinyuseheny Dvor). I ‘m not sure this is truth, but the average girls in Tribunal was less pretty. Marstall was O.K. Magrib is supposed to be the best place. Lots of normal girls and some professionals. They ask USD 200, and don’t go less. Some interesting girls walking by Nevski Pr., they asked USD 100.-, but not anal.

Anyway, a marvellous place.

cfrmn
04-21-04, 23:01
The Moscow Times
Thursday, Apr. 22, 2004. Page 1

Half of St. Pete Prostitutes Have HIV
By Simone Kozuharov
Staff Writer ST. PETERSBURG -- Almost half of all prostitutes in St. Petersburg are infected with HIV, in large part because most local sex workers are drug users and the sex industry lacks the organization seen in Moscow, according to a new study.

"In Moscow, only 15 percent of prostitutes are HIV positive, and in St. Petersburg it's 48 percent," said Tatyana Smolskaya, head of the government's Northwest AIDS Center.

Of that 48 percent, 96 percent use drugs intravenously, she said. In comparison, just over 10 percent of the HIV-positive prostitutes in Moscow are intravenous drug users.

"St. Petersburg has become the leader in the number of women getting HIV from prostitution," Smolskaya said. "This is not by accident ... because prostitution is almost a synonym for drug use."

The study, conducted by the St. Petersburg Pasteur Institute and nongovernmental organizations Humanitarian Action and Stellit, put the number of HIV-positive people in Russia at about 260,000, with 10 percent living in St. Petersburg.

Humanitarian Action president Alexander Tsekhanovich linked the high concentration of HIV infections in St. Petersburg to "a very big increase in drug use some years ago" and said that every third drug user in the city is infected.

Tellingly, more female addicts are infected with HIV than male addicts in St. Petersburg, Smolskaya said.

One reason there are so many HIV-positive prostitutes is because they tend to work independently, Smolskaya said. "Each girl just goes out and works by herself," she said.

The prostitutes pay a percentage of their earnings to the police to work the streets. A Humanitarian Action official estimated that the police rake in as much $5 million per year from the trade.

The police, however, do not regulate the sex workers' lifestyles, and prostitutes are free to choose whether or not to use a condom. Some clients pay more for unprotected sex. "Prostitutes say this is the main reason why they don't use condoms," Smolskaya said.

But in Moscow, pimps and madams closely manage the lives of prostitutes and quickly abandon those who take up drugs or become infected with HIV, Tsekhanovich said. "If a girl takes drugs and somebody knows, she is expelled from the system," he said.

St. Petersburg sex workers, without the management of madams or pimps, are left free to abuse drugs. "Practically all of them are drug users," Smolskaya said.

Alexander Komarovsky, a doctor who travels with a Humanitarian Action bus that exchanges needles and hands out condoms on St. Petersburg streets, said he has seen many prostitutes working just to support their drug habits. "Practically all the money is for drugs," he said.

A sex worker who visited the bus on a recent evening confirmed this. The 27-year-old woman, who exchanged 150 syringes and 120 needles and collected free condoms, said she spends about $1,000 per month to support her four-year heroin addiction. "Life is hard," she said. "You want to break free from the drugs and this life, but you can't."

She said she was a former hairdresser and turned to heroin after friends told her that, unlike alcohol, it was not followed by a hangover.

She said she never reuses syringes and only has sex with men who agree to use condoms.

Smolskaya said the plight of St. Petersburg prostitutes is bleak. "On the one hand, they catch HIV through a syringe or a sexual partner," she said. "On the other hand, they pass the disease to their drug-using partners and their sexual partners.

"HIV is going to keep spreading," she said.

The World Health Organization and other international organizations have warned of an HIV epidemic in Russia. There are no reliable statistics for how many people have been infected with the deadly virus, but estimates run as high as 1 million. The number of officially registered HIV cases is about 250,000, according to the Federal AIDS Center in Moscow.

Figures from the Moscow health committee coincide with those in the new report. The committee's head, Andrei Seltsovsky, said last summer that 15 percent of prostitutes in Moscow have HIV. He also suggested forcibly testing prostitutes and drug users as two main groups at risk of contracting the virus, but the idea did not win support in the Moscow City Duma.

Murray Feshbach, one of the world's leading experts on health in Russia, said the 260,000 HIV cases cited in the report are far too low.

"The real number is 'God knows,'" Feshbach, a senior scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, said by telephone from Washington. "I would accept a figure much closer to 750,000 than I would to 270,000, but I can use it to get started."

As of February, about 4,900 Russians had died of AIDS and other HIV-related illnesses. The optimistic projection of AIDS deaths each year by 2020 is 228,000, while pessimistically, that number could reach 648,000 per year, Feshbach said.

Maharadjah
04-23-04, 20:26
Hi,

Does anyone have info about this site who provide escort girls?

http://www.baltex.spb.ru/.

Thanks

Boofer
04-24-04, 19:39
cfrmn

These numbers are for street prostitutes or even the high class ones we meet at ChesterField in Moscow. What about the ones in www.dosug.nu?

Danny Drake
04-24-04, 19:49
Maharadjah, Escort Baltic describe itself as :

"The basic direction of activity of the company - transport-forwarding service of the export-import cargoes following through sea terminals of Saint Petersburg".

CA Traveler
04-25-04, 00:04
I would humbly suggest that all statistics can be tilted in a negative direction, if you desire, but especially because in Russia there is a class of RRussian working girl, and I use the term "girl" very loosely, who hangs around the train stations who will pop you for about 100 rubles. I recently read an article here or on another site for Spb taxi driver's education discussing the various spots and costs for the working girls... If, in fact, 80+% of these girls and other train station urchins are carriers... the numbers are so distorted that the real numbers are probably closer to the numbers in the west.

At the same time, it is so obvious when some conference on AIDS or some other disease is being held... you see all of these radical statements in the press... The conference loves it and in reality nothing is any different that it has always been.

I would suggest that anyone that plies the hobby with one of the train station urchins for 100 rubles is not playing with a full deck in the first place.

Dusty Bin
04-25-04, 18:12
Baltex are a logistics and forwarding firm.

The only sex going on there is in the Chairman's office with his secretary!

Maharadjah
04-26-04, 21:21
Sorry guys,

The correct adress is http://www.egoist.spb.ru.

I don't know why when you cut/paste it 's transform in http://www.baltex.spb.ru

Eros74
04-27-04, 19:57
Hi Gentlemen,

Some of us knows how is the scene in Piter about Street-Workers? Where are they and what about prices? And tochka?

Thanks,

Luca

OttoGraham
04-29-04, 14:15
Lukasek,

To my knowledge, based on several trips to St. Pete over the past 18 months, St. Pete does not have a high class line-up (tochka) or street-walking scene in the manner similar to Moscow. If you're looking for some really low-level SW action of the type endemic to train stations throughout Europe, my advice would be to first read the article reprinted below about the HIV infection rate in St. Pete.

Several of the bars that are popular with expats (Marstalls being one of the more prominent advertisers in the expat press) are awash with good-looking working girls. Read back over the past year's posts for some further details.

-Uncle Otto

Eros74
04-29-04, 19:00
Ciao Otto,

Thank you very much for your answer. I read article about HIV. I always used condoms in last 4 years, to avoid not only HIV but also all the other many infections like Candida, Clamydia. But I though that in second city of Russia, with about 5 milion of persons, could be at least a little scene of SW, but ok. I was in Moscow, but desire to change, and I think also I will go to Novgorod, near to Piter-3/4 hour by train or to Novosibirsk, yet I don't know, but surely mainly time in Piter.

I will write my reports I hope with many fotos LOL!

Take Care,

Ciao Otto

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Luca

OttoGraham
04-30-04, 14:06
Luksek,

If you are a decent-looking man who dresses well, you will have NO PROBLEM finding FREE excellent pussy in St. Petersburg. And if you have to pay, there is still a lot of excellent pussy too. Just not standing on the street corner. ;)

Plus, this city is one of the most interesting ones in Europe. The Hermitage is the greatest museum I have ever seen. The architecture is in some places amazing. (The food stinks though. :()

But I want to encourage you to visit this town, at least once. It is a much better destination than Novosibirsk!!!!!!

-Uncle Otto

Laurent
05-01-04, 14:18
Hello guys,

As far as I can see nothing very special happens in Saint Peterburg last months. Are there realy no places where you can find nice girls where you can spent some times with them in privzat, if you are staying in a hotel where girls are not allowed?

Please fellows, those who have a lot of experience in this matter, what do you suggest. It is easy to tell that there are a lot of girls who will be with you for money, but where do you get them, and where do you take them afther making a deal?

Laurent

Eros74
05-02-04, 19:21
Otto thank you very much for your answer!

I think I am a normal 30 yo italian guy dressing good i think,but in Moscow it was not easy to find free pussy, only one in 10 days, it was my first time there, probably went not to good disko, or I did not try so much, but in Moscow seems that almost every woman want money,my personal impression. So this is the reason why I want to go out of capital,surely Piter is wondeful city as you said, but I am yet a little afraid it could be as little Moscow with not very friendly attitude women (I am use to go to slovak republic, where I am also this weekend, and here much easier than Moscow but less beauty women!), so this is the reason why I started to think about Novosibirsk. Cause I though a city so far from west europe can offer a lot of women easier than capital.

But dear Otto, I will follow your suggest and make surely you and to the others here let know all what will happened, I am studing Russian alone to increase the chance, but you seems to know very well Piter, so which the best disko or best moments, during the day or night,to pick up normal girls? I will try to not pay.

What do you think to start from home to write with girls that are on bride.ru? Did you try this? Which kind of women in bride.ru?

Best regards!

Luca

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Doctor_Skank
05-03-04, 20:48
A funny thing happened on my way back to my apartment...

it was Tuesday night in St.Pete and after unsuccessfully trying to call up a girl I know off of www.dating.ru I went to Magrib, only to find out that the disco it is closed on Tuesday nights, the restaurant and cafe were open, but it looked mostly like cosy couples in love and little chance to chat anybody up.

So it being already about 1 am and a Tuesday night so i decided to go to Marstalls. Marstalls was the same as it always is, kind of like CF but only a 5th of the size and somehow gloomy... and besides that it usually lacks any real talent.... at CF in Moscow you can occassionally meet very nice normal girls.

When there, I noticed it was about half full... mostly Russians and a few drunken Scandanavian businessmen who seemed more interested in themselves and their drunken glee than the strippers doing a routine with only a fair degree of skill. I think maybe they were training new girls, seriously. The girls were good but not great-looking, the kind of girls you can meet at clubs too. But not on a Tuesday night. There was a very pretty tall girl with her lesbian or bisexual girlfriend, but she was too tall for me.. seriously about 1,85m. Not much other talent.

Soon I did notice an Asian looking girl seemingly enjoying herself very innocently and serenely dancing with her somewhat dumpy looking yet cute blonde friend.

The Asian who turned out to be an 18 or 19 year old from Yakutsk named Lana. That gave her about 50 plus points in my book... I just thought the idea of fucking a girl from Yakutsk was grand. And when she told me she was Muslim, I had made my decision. Her friend was from St.Pete and named Alona... kind of dumpy looking, but in a cute trashy way. Both girls were average overall though, I give them each a 6. Anyway, I had to work the next day so I suggested I walk them to Nevsky, they agreed. At Nevsky, I "informed" them that I had a jacuzzi and that we could have some tea. My friend's apartment, which he let me have for a few days, was located not far from Marstalls, just a 10 minute walk. They looked at each other and agreed. At this point I decided that I would try to get both... the girls were average enough that I wouldn't regret not fucking them should they be insulted by my advances.

Back at the pad, the girls were flabbergasted. It was the nicest place they'd ever seen. They both wanted to try out the jacuzzi.

So in went Lana the Asian, she insisting that I don't see her undress and she get under the bubbles first. Shy Muslim girl. :) Whatever. Mind you I had yet to kiss either one. While Lana was in the hottub, I was in the next room with Alona and within 15 minutes had gone from kiss to fucking. The bed was a squeaker, which I enjoyed. The sex was really fun, she was making these odd noises the whole time... like ooohh and oooff and making strange pseudo seductive faces. A really great poke, even though the girl was pretty trampy. I pretended to be rough with her which made her playful. I finished in her mouth. After finishing with Alona I went to check on Lana. She came out without me watching and Alona went in the tub. Lana redressed and when I was alone with Lana I started to kiss her. She giggled like a schoolgirl and seemed quite inexperienced. Soon I was messing around with her and she was still very shy. She seemed very happy and started doing some oddly beautiful Yakutian dance for me and we talked, me making my move the whole time but not rushing since I needed recovery time. At some point Alona came back out and when I was alone with her for a second she told me that Lana really liked me. So I took the hint and invited Lana back into the tub, where within about 10 minutes she had gone from giggling schoolgirl to fuckbunny. She got the works... sitting on me, doggy style, face fuck and finally I came on her ass after pumping her from behind standing in the tub. Fucking in the hot tub is not as easy as one might think.

Afterwards we all rolled around in bed together and did some kissing, me dividing my time between the two... they both seemed happy, although the blonde was cooler emotionally than the Asian... I think the Asian was really smitten, I was supposedly her second guy. The Asian even cried when I booted them out of the apartment, helping them get a taxi before returning into bed half-dead.

Was a pretty cool experience even if the girls weren't super hot...

Here is a pic, check out a couple more in the pics section.

OttoGraham
05-06-04, 23:01
Skank,

All I have to say is:

You are the man all of us aspire to be.

-Uncle Otto

Mike #3
05-21-04, 19:37
Otto,

Excusez le mot but what exactly is understood by "decent looking" and "dressed well" for Russian standards?

Suit and tie, or is a more casual look already sufficient to distinguish myself as inostranyets?

(OK, no jogging suit ;)

Mike