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Zaya 25

10-09-03, 13:09

Lets look at Aksaray's experience with respect to street offers and nightclubs. Do not even speak to some guys who approach you for arranging girls for you! At first they start to quote interesting price to you (e.g. 20 - 30 Euro) for night or they say for drink maximum you must pay 3-5 Euro! Do not believe them at all.

They try to make interest for you for just looking at girls at first by any kind of verbal strong promotion but their main purpose is dropping you at any of Aksaray nightclubs, which they are linked with them!!!

If you put your leg over there by accompany of these guys, you will not be able to come back easily without paying at least 300 - 400 Euro just for drink without ANYTHING else.

In these night clubs story is started by the guy who has brought you from street to there, they show to you some girls (about 10-15) and ask you which one you prefer for picking up for your night. Story is continued when girl comes to your table while they bring your drink and exactly at this time that guy who has accompanied you from street up to this step is disappeared by any method. Subsequently one drink is served for girl at your table immediately even sometimes without your confirmation.

At this time the girl offers you 30 Euro for night and once you ask for leaving there she asks for sitting 10 - 15 minutes more and more drinks! After first drink doesn't matter you permit or not for them because their job has been finished and they are waiting for your reaction which they have prepared action plan for it (if you are not on luck line, you will learn instead of two glass drink of girl there are 4-5 empty bottle are in ice in your table, or they say you are drank and you do not remember who much you have drank!)

After asking bill you will see a paper with some handwritten digits accompanied by several zeros (because of Turkish million) only and without any details for about 500 - 600 Euro. Your complaint is answered by club manger when he refers to an approved price list for drinks (in Turkish and it is totally different with price board on stand at entrance of club). When manager feels that you are business/important person then he tries to make you happy by considering discount for 100 - 300 Euro!

Final due amount in front of you will be 300 - 400 which must be paid at any price, if it is declared that you do not have money they will search your pockets for cash, cards, valuable items, In case they can not find anything there is hazard risk because of beating of two or three big security men!

After payment made by you, manager invites you for free drink! The girl states that this is the rule for club that she cannot leave there before 4 AM and manager confirms the issue. Maybe she gives you her handy contact number for later on negotiation for issue (if you are lucky, number will be correct) and after negotiation price will not be less than 100 Euro! Do not become surprised with these contradictions in Istanbul Aksaray street night clubs when you ask for that man who brought you there, manager states that does not know him and he was thinking he is with you! Even he advises you: be careful here is ISTANBUL!

You will not be able to do anything after that even you refer to police who are walking in the area all of the time or if you go to police station which is located in the same area exactly at heart of night clubs and restaurants because of first language problem and if even you are lucky and you don't have this problem then it will be common issue for them and club manager easily says that you and girl have had drinks and girl and staff can witness and you have been charged for it (even with discount if there was any!)

Even if you ask your local friends for help, they are also unable to do anything because they know these games very well and know nobody can do anything for these situations unless club boss which mostly belongs to dangerous groups like Turkish Mafia.

As conclusion, do not listen to street promotions by these people, these nightclubs and similarly some hotels in Aksaray and Taxi. You can refer only to bars, restaurants and famous nightclubs as members have mentioned them in previous reports.

Good Luck

Stockbroker

10-09-03, 20:39

Hi everybody,

I have been to Bacardi last week.
First of all ,all the prices are higher than my last hunting.I think due to economic situation in Turkey demand is increasing but supply is stable than prices are getting higher.I hope this winter more girls will be coming to istanbul and this will cut the prices.
It was a monday night.The club was full to the stairs.
I invited a Ukraninan girl to my table.She was first class looking.
But when we started to talk I was shocked.Because she said "no bj without condoms,no fantasies,two hours 250 usd.
Then I said bye..
The second one was a Moldavian with stunning body,incredible hairs and legs.But she was like frigider.And she said " I dont care who pays me I just go and make love to take my money" then I felt as cold as ice.
The third one one was a Russian from Rostov.She was like a swan.Long blond hairs,long legs beatiful body (silicon boops,it was interesting for me beacuse it was my my first silics experient).She asked 200 usd till 6 a.m and added that this was not her usual price but she liked me a lot (believe or not,maybe the old trick ,I dont know)
But I really liked her too much.Her voice was like a velvet and her body was like a baby.
We took a cab and went to Holiday Inn where I booked a double room before the night.
She did everything...................
4 hours lateri I felt tired and gave her 10 millions and called a cab.
I paid 120 millions to Bacardi inc. 4 Stoly+3 girl's drink.And tipped my garson with 10 milion.
It seems there has been a %30 rise in the market .But more girls are coming.That Monday night was the most crowded night I have ever seen for years both customer and girls.
Take care.
bye

Vegamars

10-09-03, 21:06

I warn you guys that the highest rate in Aksaray region including Bacardi for the best girls is $150 for 2-3 hours and $200 for the night, but they try to rip off the strangers. Never ever get in the trap!!

BunnyHopper

10-09-03, 22:46

Karo,

What time of day and which day of the week did you go ?

15 - 20 girls seems like a lot, a good choice. I have only been there once and there weren't many girls to choose from, perhaps half a dozen.

Karo

10-10-03, 12:20

Bunnyhopper,

2-3 weeks ago, it was weekday (Wednesday or Thursday) and time was around 3 or 4 pm.

Itchy

10-15-03, 09:55

Hi friends,

I had a dissapointing time at Nadidie & Enjoy at Nishatasi. I paid 60 million at the reception. Since I know little turkish could not argue that it should be 50 million as per reports in this forum. There was a choice of 5-6 babes, selected a babe named Sevgili.

As soon as we entered the room the babe told me that I will have to give to her a similar amount given at reception. I agreed. The massage was ok nothing great. At the end of it she started with the handjob. I told her in whatever turkish I could speak that she should give me a BBBJ. She said thats not possbile here. I insisted that my friends have told me that its given there. Finally she said she will give a BBBJ only for a short time which she did (sloppy though) and then continued the handjob till i cummed.

Unfortunately the whole arguement was a turn off for me.

PS: During the massage she said there is a similar massage parlour at Sisly (Turkish S). Anyone aware?

Mahatma

10-15-03, 19:24

I am very much surprised about the money that many people paid for hookers in Istanbul. I am a local person and local people usually pay a fix 100 USD for a good half-day fuck in Istanbul. If you spend all day with the hooker, then you pay 150 USD for a night. Believe me this is the exact price of a good fuck in Istanbul. But if you are a foreigner in Istanbul, then of course this price suddenly double!

The hookers are mostly from Ukraine, Russia and Moldavia. The best hookers are always from Russia. The difference is very simple:

Russians: They are beautiful, they are open to bargain, they do BJ, anal and titfuck. They are very clean (always have shower before and after fuck), they use condom (very difficult to convince them not to use)

Ukrainens: They always demand extra money, they complaint everthing, not good!

Moldavians: Dirty, smell terrible, not use condom, very high risk of genital diseases

Try to visit Foliberger Night Club in Taksim Square in Istanbul. A very good night club but be very carrefull about the waiters. Suddenly at the end of the night you may see a 1000 USD after a couple of drink! Try to sit alone in the bar, dont invite any lady to your table. After their show, they come to bar. Take their GSM number and after the midnight visit them in their hotel. This is the best way!

Connect 28

10-15-03, 23:29

Went to Nadide last week during the day. There were only 4-5 girls, none of them good looking. If you act really relaxed and mention that you have been upstairs before you have a good chance of getting sex. The girl I picked up said that the police was very strict with them lately, therefore they keep the sex to a minimum. Take your condom with you.

Vegamars

10-20-03, 16:29

If what you're looking for is good quality $200 is the fair charge for the night! Of course, it's also possible for $100 if avarage or bad quality is sufficient for you like in Western Europe or even Russia and Moscow most of the time!
In contrast to the general misbelief I'd advise you stay away from the Russian girls and stick only to the Moldovans and Ukrainians to do whatever you want without any limits or hesitation!
A good alternative to Aksaray region and a natural way of meeting girls is the touristic area of Istanbul, namely Sultanahmet which is only 10min walk away from Aksaray. This is the place full of hotels with fair rates like $25-30 and where most tourists hang out. There's good action there especially at night in restaurants, cafes, bars and discos all around the small streets. It's possible to meet girls from all over the world including Russia and Ukraine.
The good thing is that you will not be disturbed at all by the local crowds and feel much more comfortable than Taksim and Beyoglu regions.

Vegamars

11-23-03, 16:44

I've visited Bacardi recently to check out the situation.Now the no of girls there seem to be increasing,enabling a better quality of selection.I talked to a new brunette girl from Rostov(As you all know the most beautiful girls in Russia are from Rostov or Novosibirsk) who was really distinguishable with a slim 175 figure and a sweet face,but asked for $300 for 2hrs and I thought I was in Moscow for one moment,so I asked her if it's for 2days??!!?
There's a general tendency for an increase of prices out there,but watch out guys and never ever pay more than $100 for 2-3 hours and $150 for the night!!

Hedonist

12-03-03, 01:37

Does anybody know if you can bring outside girls to Seranda? I am planning to stay at Seranda for a few days. In the night time I am fine with taking girls fromt the disco at Seranda. However, day time I plan to try my chances at Irmak and if I can hook with a decent girl I hope to use my room at Seranda.

Zagor

12-08-03, 06:15

Hi Hedonist,

As I'm local and lives in istanbul, (I'm running a Travel Agency) Frankly I do not think the hotel management will let you bring decent girl from outside. But advice you can do and make a reserve like normal procedures room booking from the hotel, this time you must offer the lady name detail with yours to the hotel. Prices must be a Dbl room breakfast included around $40.00 - 50.00 USD maximum.

Please contact me via a private message using the WSG Forum's Private Message service.

Great days in Seranda

BunnyHopper

12-16-03, 22:50

Whats the scene likely to be like next week - is it worth a hop over there ?

Do the girls go home for the xmas period ?

Vegamars

12-17-03, 02:25

Every time is good in its way and it's really the hot time now!!
A small hint,all the girls here are Orthodox,so naturally their Christmas is on January 7th,but even then it's worth a visit.

BunnyHopper

12-20-03, 20:58

Whats is the very latested news ?

Prices, numbers, quality of girls at the usual haunts, Bacardi, Serenda , Irmak...etc ???

Also any specific info on Demirkoy, numbers, nationality of girls, prices and the format for picking up there ?

Not been there before and so I am keen to check it out.

I'll be in town for a few days next week.

P Chaser

12-21-03, 15:26

As of 10 days ago, Wednesday night, bar above bacardi was excellent. Been there twice since Bayram. Both times Bacardi was closed. So I suspect same girls working both Bacardi and the bar.

Quality was excellent. Anything from 5 to 9. (a bit heavily distributed on both ends of the scale which sort of makes getting a moderately good looking once cheap, impossible) Prices changed from 150 - 200. Both all nighters and 3 hours.

Some of the prettiest girls, infact 3 in a row (my luck I guess), asked for 200 for 3 hours. All inclusive - so they said. I didn't try them as prefer to have breakfast in the morning.

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BunnyHopper

12-28-03, 12:31

just got back from a trip to istanbul & ankara.

day 1.

stayed at the holiday inn near the airport (there are two holiday inn’s – the other is in the sultanahment/topkapi area). i took the free hotel shuttle service from outside the airport. this departs every hour on the half hour i.e. 1:30, 2:30, 3:30…etc. journey took about 15 minutes. i didn’t need another visa, as the one i bought in october in ankara was still valid, a 3 month multiple entry visa costs €10.

rate was $93 (which included the 18% sales tax but excluded breakfast) for a double with a decent view over the sea of marmara, booking over the internet.

http://www.atakoymarina.holiday-inn.com/

security is tighter now, i guess after the recent bombings in the city (when coming and going by taxi, the security guards at the barrier would check the boot/trunk of the taxi and also underneath the taxi with a mirror – not problems with my guests at all). i arrived at the hotel around 4:00pm. checked in, showered, changed and went outside and grabbed a cab on the main road heading into town.

the cab fare to aksaray was about 8m tl. got off on the main road and walked up the road looking for a pharmacy – i wanted to try viagra for the first time ;-)

came across a shop with the “bayer” logo outside it and ladies hair dye in the window so i went in. the shopkeeper spoke english and i asked him if he had generic viagra. he said yes and showed me a packed of something called “vigrande 50 (sildenafil)”. the price was about 48mtl for 4 tablets each of which was 50mg – it was pre-printed onto the packet, therefore no worries about being overcharged and also the packed was sealed, therefore no worries about being sold paracetamol or something under the guise of viagra ! i told the guy i wanted it for recreational use and that i had no health problems, he said it was ok to us the 50mg tablet at a time and that there are no side effects. i have heard that it can give you a bit of a headache, so i bought a packet of paracetamol too, again sealed packed with price pre-printed on it, about 3mtl i think.

i walked over to irmak and as the weather is now colder, nobody sitting outside so i went into the small room next the main restaurant, sat down in front of two girls and ordered a cola for myself.

looked around and was disappointed at the choice of girls. one of the two girls in front of me started to chat to me. her name was irina, she was i guess in her late 30’s but actually quite pretty, she spoke english. the other girl was i’d say the prettiest girl in there at that time, her name was svetlana, sveta for short but spoke moderate english, tall slim, blonde about 25 yrs old. i asked irina how much for sveta and she responded $100 for 1 shot. i started to laugh (quite deliberately) and told them that i had been to irmak before and dropped a few names of places that i had also visited, serenda, bacardi…etc. i asked again how much for about 3 – 4 hours, and this time she said $100.
at that point irina asked me if i like arab girls. i said why, and she pointed over to 3 girls sitting in the back corner, that were rather loud ! i just smiled at her.

i told sveta that i was staying at the holiday inn and she said that was ok. i asked for the bill, when the waiter came back he asked me if i wanted to pay for the girls drinks, they both had a coffee each whilst i was there, i didn’t order it, they were already drinking it when i joined them. i said fine and was presented with a bill for 17mtl which i felt was very reasonable.

sveta said to me you go first and i will join you. so i left and waited up the road, she joined me after a minute or two. we walked onto the main road and crossed over onto the other side, i wanted to catch a cab in the direction of travel rather that spend another 10 – 15 mins in the cab as he turns around, the road are busy.

i can’t remember the cab fare, but it was under 10mill – no probs with security and no probs with the reception. went straight up to my room. i showed her a room service menu and asked her to order what ever she liked, i went into the bathroom and took half of a 50 mg tablet, i didn’t want her to see me take it ;-) the pills are blue in colour and oval shape with a grove down the middle, i just bit it in half, no need to cut it up with a razor or anything.

she ordered a pizza and had some soft drinks from the mini-bar and we chatted a while. she told that she also works the bacardi club, but they had been shut for 1 month following police raid (she said they are open again now). i told her have been there a few times – she then asked why i only pay her $100 ? i told her because it was what you asked for and smiled !

i was on virtually and empty stomach, and so the pill worked very quickly – i could feel my balls get warm and my dick was hard. i like to peel off the girls clothes, one of my little pleasures, so i peeled them off very slowly, playing, touching and kissing her, paying extra special attention when taking her jeans off, her ass had a nice shape, not too big or too small and not too flat – pert, they way i like ‘em – she then went for a shower and i undressed and got on the bed.

she did bbbj, pretty nice, but not as nice as the turkish hookers in ankara – then we started to fuck. my dick was rock hard, i could feel the effect of the tablet i must have fucked for at least 30 – 40 mins non-stop, the dick just stayed hard, she remained wet and remained aroused and energetic. at one point i was going her doggy –style and i could feel her vagina tighten – orgasm for her i guess. i didn’t ask her.

we rested a while, had food before doing it all again, my dick was soft but as soon as i started to think about fucking again it was rock hard. this time i had her in the missionary style – my dick again rock hard and she still wet – i fucked her slowly first to get her into the swing of things then really very hard pounding her into the mattress, wooooow…. i guess i fucked her gain for another 30 – 40 mins, boy i have never seen a girl sweat so much, it was like i poured a bottle of water onto her - i felt like i was a porno star !!!i kept asking her if she wanted me to stop, she grabbed me tighter and said no, pushing my ass into her pelvic region harder! i also fucked her doggy style again. i was on the bed in the doggy position, her back arched deeply and her ass pointing up at me with her arms flat and straight on the bed point towards her feet. this time as i penetrated her i kept by arms crossed behind my back and just let the rhythm of the bed push her back and forth into me. i let fly, i moved my hips back and forth as fast as i could, it was an amazing sight, and the ripples moving across her ass, i could she the look of pleasure/pain on her face and that encouraged me to bang her harder!

eventually i stopped, could not climax, but the fuck was good and i was amazed at the staying power the pill gave me! i am young and fit, but boy this pill was good – why didn’t i discover it earlier!!

had shower, then did the same again – but could not come.

about 9:00 pm she wanted to leave, that was ok because i had her for about 3 hours in my room and i felt exhausted then and totally satisfied.

i sent le a few text mssgs, being extra careful, which number i was sending the mssgs to - private joke, hahaha.....!!!

i walked her outside (again past reception – no problems) to the hotel security barrier and put her into the cab, i think in gave her 10 – 15 mill for the cab.

i went back to my room showered, ate and dozed for a while.

at about 11:00 pm i headed back to aksaray, cab was less that 10mill again and stopped on the main road and walked to serenda hotel.

same guy at the till and still the same look on his face. the cost was 20m to get it and that still includes the first drink. you need to show your passport still.

i asked for my english speaking waiter friend, but was told he no longer works there. i was then shown to a seat at the bar as one of the barmen speaks english.

the quality of girls is up again, like on my very first trip there – a cola costing 5m. i went on the floor a few times and looked at the talent. the girls mainly wear tight fitting blue jeans and tight tops. they were mainly romanians and moldavian. the romanians were the classic, tall, slim, fair skinned blacked looks – classic gypsy looks, so nice! there were quite a few blonde there, many girls with pretty asses and nice big breasts!

they still have the show there, at around midnight and that lasts about 30mins. the blonde girl in the show is still there and she is so pretty, i should have slipped her a 10 dollar bill with my number on during the belly dance show !!

after the show, i went to the gents and slipped the another half tablet (half of 50mg) and went to the floor with the view to picking up.

the girls all quoted 150m for one shot or $100 for 2 shots, i was sure this time to ask if they did cbj, bbbj, anal...etc. again nearly all said they would not do a bj.

i spotted a girl that i had on my very first trip to serenda, i tried to do her in the ass but struggled to penetrate her. (now when i going hunting i always take my own lubricant and rubbers – stuff i buy at home to ensure quality products). i asked her if she remembered me she said she did and to me sure, i asked her if she still does bbbj and anal – she “you know i do !”. so i took her.

the room cost me 48m (48m if you pay with card or 45m if you pay cash) – i handed over my passport and her id card.

i tipped the guy that took us up to the room 3m and she went into the shower as i watched the porno channel. it is i think it was channel 0 on the tv, satisfaction club tv, i am sure you italian are familiar with that one !

she did nice long bbbj and she had nice smooth skin, slim pert ass and blonde hair.

i proceed to fuck her, the pill gave me a solid erection and after about 15 mins, i got out my lubricant and greased up her ass. she was lying flat on her back as i penetrated her, first very slowing, then faster. eventually i was pushing in all the way very hard and very fast, i could see the look on her face, such a turn on, she was wriggling underneath me not knowing what to do with her hand, she was pushing herself back deeper into the bed to avoid full trust, but there was no escaping from me, i kept on pounding her little ass deeper into the mattress ripping it to shreds. !

wooooooooow, orgasm !

i took off my rubber and we both went into the shower, she washed me down, and then we went back to the bed. i started to feel really very tired then, i hadn’t slept or eaten properly for about 48 hours and the sex with the two girls had really worn me out too. i chatted to her on the bed, and we talked about what she’d been up to since my first visit there. after about another hour or so, we tried again, but my energy was gone, but the pill was still giving a solid erection. i fucked her half heartily for about 10 – 15 mins, if only to get my moneys worth. i wanted to do anal again, but she said she was too sore, poor girl.

i told her it was ok for her to go and she washed and left, after about a minute the phone rang and the reception guy told me that my “guest” was leaving, i said that was fine and i fell asleep (i was too tired to go outside and get a cab)

i woke up at around 9:00am. went downstairs, got my passport and a cab to my hotel.

BunnyHopper

12-28-03, 14:00

day 2.

at around 1.00pm i went to istanbul cad. in bakirkoy looking for a massage parlour someone had told me about.

i found the place but they were shut, had sign in the window, i pushed the buzzer waited a few minutes but nothing, so i grabbed a cab to sultanahmet.

at around 4 pm i was at irmak, i took half of a 50mg pill as i was walking there from sultanahment area - it is closer than i thought.

today my waiter friend from the summer was there, he came over shook my hand greeted my warmly. the choice of girls was quite poor, but sveta was there again, but i fancied a new girl – part of the thrill for me.

i had a coke whilst looking at the girls, you only get a good look when they get up and go to the toilet.

i called over the waiter and told him to take a drink to sveta; she was seated at another table. i watched as he took over a cocktail – i have no doubt that she would have preferred a coffee or something, but i guess the waiters push them to have the expense ones! oh dear i thought….

after about half and hour the three arab girls came in and sat at the far corner table. two were ugly and one was ok, and i though it would be nice to try and arab girl. i called over my waiter friend and asked if i could move over into the corner with the three girls. unfortunateley they spoke virtually no english and we could just about communicate. they were asking for $50 for 1 shot. i sat next to a fat one, whom spoke the most english, and asked how much for the one seated opposite me. the fat one said she was not available today – i said thank but no thank you and moved to the adjacent table. what hadn’t really paid attention to was that whilst i was seated with the arab girls, they were brought three cocktails and some mushroom dish… i now know that i picked up the tab ! the girls were from syria by the way.

i spotted another girl wander in. her name was engel and she reminded me a little bit of tanya from the summer, short, blonde, young, slim and cute ass. i called my waiter friend and he said she speaks very little english, i said fine and he called her over. through the waiter i negotiated $100 for about 3 hours back at my place. i could vaguely make out that the waiter was saying he is ok and has been here before. i had another cola and bought her a drink. again they gave her a cocktail.

however the girl insisted she take the restaurant cab – i knew this would cost more, but agreed. i asked for the bill and was presented with a bill for 82m. wow i thought this is too much. (i had two colas, and i bought two drinks for each of engel and sveta) – i though to myself this is rip-off but i paid regardless and we left.

outside she asked me if i would buy her a packet of l&m cigarettes i said ok, but when in the store she also asked for a 20m cell phone card…i looked at her, i hate that, but i paid regardless. i should have just said no, but that is silly me!!

took the restaurant cab to the inn, which cost a further 20m, when the going rate was 7 – 8mill.

in the room, she had some drinks and chocolate from the mini-bar. we chatted a while and she told me she was from moldova and that in her country she was a choreographer.

she had firm young boobs that point upwards, soft skin, smooth legs and a nice pert ass – the thing which i base my decision on as to whether or not to buy!

i had three sessions with her, she did cbj only and it was reasonable. again, the pill gave me a solid erection and i did her in many positions for a long time. i did her really deep, firmly and fast in the doggy style for some time and she complained that i was hurting her… that made me smile!

this girl was quite a star, she was doing hand stands, cartwheels and flexing her body in all sorts of ways for me in the room, i had no doubt she was a professional choreographer. at one point i was lying on the bed, whilst she was naked on the table dancing for me! i also lay on the bed asking her to do stretching exercises, including bending over and touching her toes….hahahaaaaa !

after about three hours she left (i only managed to come once during the first round) i was happy with this because the screwing was nice in itself... i gave her 15mill for the cab.

at about 11.00pm i went out. as i passed the reception i asked the guy if he knew the demirkoy hotel, he looked at me and said “sir, it is dangerous”… so i thought i would give it a miss. had i had a fellow hobbyist with me, i may have gone. it is 5 mins walk away or 1 mins cab ride.

i went to the main road and took a cab to aksaray. walked to serenda from the main road. 20mil to get in, first drink free, subsequent cola’s 5 mill. (i never drink alcohol went out in aksaray – need your wits about you all the time). went into the gents and took another half of the 50mg pill.

i met a guy there wearing a liverpool f.c. football top and asked him if he was english. he said no, but we started to chat anyway. i guess he was my age. he said the prices charged to locals are the same, 150m for 1 shot, $100 for 2 shots and $150 for an all-nighter till 5:00am. he confirmed that most of the girls don’t do bj, and if you have bad luck you may get a mechanical girl, he also said that sometimes you may get luck and get a girl that does anal for nothing extra !

he had a mate with him and the 3 of us went in the dance floor a few times and we had a laugh chatting to many different girls.

i saw this one girl that i recognised from my first trip there, i asked her if she does bj, she said no and that i won’t be able to find a girl that did, i said ok and carried on looking. after about 20 mins she came over to me and said ok she will do bj, so i agreed on $100 for 2 shots.

she was taller that me, black hair and quite a pretty face, classic romanian gypsy looks – nice.

i paid 48mill for the room (paying by visa) and handed in the id and went up. in the room i peeled off her clothes slowly, her ass looked better in jeans and her skin wasn’t so perfect – but ok. she did a short covered bj that was reasonable, with hind sight i should have just picked the prettiest girl there and forgot about the bj – there were some very nice ones there.

again the pill gave me a solid and i fucked her for long time in many positions, this girl was not a small girl but she also complained went i did her doggy style hard for a long time. i fucked for about 30 – 40 mins but could not come so lay on the bed chatting to her. she told me about her life back in romania and that if she didn’t have a child, she would not be here in istanbul working.

after about 40 mins, we tried again, again i could not come and she asked me what was wrong i told her nothing, i desired her had an erection but could not ejaculate. she asked me if i had sex that day already and i told what i had been up to that afternoon and the day before… she started to laugh and called me a “sex maniac”.

i guess i had tried to do it too often, in too short a space of time – screwing her was nice still, making her work for her money !

after i’d been with her two hours i said she was free to go and we both left. i could really complain about her, i just wasn’t up to it.

i picked up my passport and walked to the main road in aksaray and got a cab outside the police station there, about 13 – 14 mill cab fare back to the inn.

BunnyHopper

12-28-03, 16:15

Went to Irmak on the last evening.

To get there I took a cab from the main road by the Inn, the guy wasn’t running a meter, when in Aksaray we stopped and I asked how much ? He pointed at the meter, which was showing a digital clock, he point to the 20 digit (from 20 hundred hours) and I said to 20m Lira ? I told him were to go, I said normally 10m maximum. I asked Gunduz or Gece ? and he flicked through the screens on the meter and pointed at the 20 again also uttering the words “Dollar” – I was pissed now, I tried to tell him that what he was showing me was the digital clock, but he feigned ignorance and I asked again how much. He kept pointing to the 20, I said OK. Proceeded to open the door and said “Traffic Police” he became nervy, the police station was literally 30 seconds walk away. I gave him 10m, swore at him in my own language and left. Had he continued pushing it, I’d have given him a left hook for his troubles and then walked in to the police station as a desert ! I wonder who would have been arrested me or him ?

I am sure that this trick with the digital clock has happened to me before on my first trip to Istanbul, some deja vu here.

Was in Irmak around 8.30 – 9.00 but only 2 – 3 girls there

My waiter friend was in there today and came over and asked me if everything was OK last time.

I told him that I thought the bar bill was two high, and then when we compared notes it became clear that I was charged for what the Arab girls had (from Syria by the way). I made it clear that I didn’t order anything for them nor was I asked if I wanted to buy them a drink. He was apologetic in tone and said he wasn’t there. Which was correct, it was another waiter that bought the girls a drink.

As I sat there I looked out the window and saw many very nice girls wander past and go into the adjacent restaurants (including Sveta)

As there were no girls there by then, I had two colas paying 10m total and left.

As I walked past the adjacent restaurants, their waiters/uskers are out on the street trying to get you in. I have no idea what they are saying to me. Maybe something innocent like “Good evening sir, would you like a drink ?” or maybe something more sleazy. But as I don’t understand what they were saying, they seemed pushy to me and so I waved them off and walked past them.

With hind sight perhaps I should I tried them.

PERHAPS A LOCAL TURKISH SPEAKER WILL GO AND INVESTIGATE THE ADJACENT RESTAURANTS ?

Looked around Aksaray some more and went into the McDonald there and had something to eat.

Around 10:30 went into Serenda.

Lots of nice girls, but thought I’d take my time. I went up a few times, but could not find anybody to do BJ. Bumped into the tall Romanian girl again and she seemd pleased to see me. I left a tube of lube with her, as she when I did her doggy style, she had complained that it hurt ! Music to my hears !

She point out one girl that did BJ and Anal but I didn’t fancy her. I spotted another girl and asked if she was game ? and but she said that she doesn’t.

This carried on until around 1:00am. I was bored now and was toying with the idea of a trip to Bacardi for a top girl. I Left Serenda and as I walked up to the main raod, I phoned Angel and asked if her cousin Aliona was free, she said yes and we agreed $100 for 3 hours. (Aliona was another I saw when I packed up Engel that I was thinking about. When in the hotel with Engel, I told her this and she said it was her cousin).

We agreed to meet outside the Aksaray MacDonalds in 5 mins. 10mins went by and she stilled hadn’t arrived, it was raining and I was about to wander into Bacardi, went a cab arrived, then window went down and Engel started to shout at me.

Took 25mg of the pill, and I got in and I said that I was only after one girl. Engel said sure, the cab went back to Irmak, we dropped her off and then went on to the Inn. Again another Irmak Cab, no meter running, and he wanted 25m when we got to the inn.

At the Inn I paid her first, $100 plus 20m for cab and made it clear I will pay nothing further. She had some stuff from the mini bar and then a shower.

We had good sex, BBBJ, and sex in many positions. She is shorter than me, very slim and weighs very little. At one point I was standing on the floor, she had her arms around my neck and feet over my shoulders and I fucked in that position – that was quite good.

Her body was very petite, she had small but nice firm breast that pointed upwards. She had a few spots on her face back and ass and I wondered about that for a minute.

We had two sessions (as in my mind I wanted her to leave at around 3:00am) as I had a early flight to catch.

She called the cab and I took her outside to the cab.

I was washed, packed and then checked out around 4:00 am. Tipped the night receptionist (a guy) 20mTL (he saw my comings and goings each night and said nothing). I told him I had a “Fun Time” in Istanbul and he started to laugh…

They had arranged a cab for me at 4:15 am and I left……

Rean

12-31-03, 02:15

Can anybody tell me which hotels are girl friendly or were girls work the bars, Hilton, Conrad Hilton, Sherton etc? I am travelling to Istanbul soon and what to get the right hotel.

Thanks

BunnyHopper

01-01-04, 22:02

Rean,

I was told by someone sometime ago that high class escort girls are available at the bar in Ceylan Intercontinental in Taksim. I was also told that there are at least two bars in the Hotel, and the girls are found in one of these around 10pm - 11pm; I can't remember which bar - check them both.

Also, i should point out that i did not try this out as the other places documented here provided me with enough entertainment.

I also recall that a girl i picked up from Bacardi once told me that she had been an overnight guest at many hotels in Taksim - from that i'd say you wont have any guest problems in which ever international hotel chain you choose.

Opium

01-03-04, 13:17

Day 4 Istanbul

Days the first 3 encounters, for better and worse, boring and intereting, can be found in the 'Other Areas' section as the activities took place in Antalya. Oh Antalya, both my heart and my dick yearn for a return to explore both what the streets, and the fine bodies have to offer. But on to Istanbul...

After a 12 hour bus ride, crowded with a carriage full of snoring and sweaty turks from Antalya, I was feeling a bit knackered and needed a bit of action to perk up my spirits. It was 11 AM and my plane back to London was to leave in about 7 hours, giving me a mere 5 hours to explore Istanbul for carnal pursuits. Now this was my 3rd visit to Istanbul and only my second time out trying to get some action. The first time for action coincided with my maiden voyage to this fine city about a year before where I bedded a sexy but rank spanish professional from one of the seedy clubs of Laleli. Experience was not too memorable, but my recent lurkings in this forum indicated, especially from Bunny Hopper's posts, that it would be worth giving it another shot (pun intended).

Left the bus terminal and grabbed the ferry to Eminounu where I stepped into a waiting taxi.'To Irmak' I ordered. To this point I had no idea where Irmak was. Unfortunately neither did the Hack. With a will, there is a way is my motto, so I told him it was either in Aksaray or in Laleli. Fine. Made our way there. After several conversations with other cabbies, we gave up and he dropped me in front of the MacDonald's on the main road separating the 2 districts. All I did was follow my instincts and promptly found the place. It is neatly tucked away one road east of that main avenue,on a pedestrian only street.

It was about 11:30 AM, I walked inside only to find a solitary russian couple eating their brunch. No one else. I ordered a nescafe and told the waiter that Irmak is a world famous place and its all over the internet reccommended for 'certain' activities.
He said 'I know'. Not too modest I guess.

Anyway I finished my coffee and asked him what would be a good time to return? He said 10 that night. Well I didn't really feel like cancelling my flight for this, so thanked him and thought I'd prowl the streets a bit.

I walked around for an hour or so. Up and down the streets like a moron. I saw the same people over and over they probably were wondering if I was a retailer or customer. I did see some working girls and did try to chat to a few. None were to my liking though. I was also very self conscious as not being experienced at this refined form of mongering, I didn't want to ask the wrong person the wrong question so I was a bit cautious. 'The fuck with this,' I thought. I'll try Irmak again. I know its early but generally cafe's are for daytime activities, aren't they?

So about 1:00 I go back there and am seated in the other part of the restaurant, I suppose its the room off of the main bar. Didn't get any recognition from the waiter but he must have remembered me from before. As I walked into this other part I immediately noticed this Heather Graham lookalike. She had long red hair and stood probably 5'2" ish. Pretty cute and a nice slim body. I have a thing for Heather Graham so I felt that Allah was looking out for me today.

I sat down, ordered a beer, and surveyed what else was on offer. Pretty quiet but there were 3 other gals in there, a blond, pretty cute was eyeballing me, Heather Graham ignored me whilst sitting chatting to her gal pals. I sat sipping my beer, occasionally checking out the blond, but I really wanted Heather Graham for some reason. She wouldn't even look at me though. So I flagged down a waiter and asked if she was working, to which he confirmed. Ok fuck it I thought. I just got off a 12 hour bus ride, feel like shit and probably look not much better. So I asked the waiter if I can move over there and also asked if I could get a translator.

Anyway as I stood up I began to think about the girl I had in Antalya a couple nights before. Pretty aloof and although the session was good, it did not adequately slake my thirst. By this time the blond knew that I wanted Heather Graham so she kinda quit looking at me and was frigging around with her phone. Ok fine, the hell with Heather Graham. I own my own business and I wouldn't treat prospective customers that way, I'm going for the blond.

To many, this game is old hat, to me I am very wet behind the ears. I pull up to the blond and ask if I could buy her a drink. To which she nervously smiled and accepted. I told the barkeep to get whatever she wanted. Now I only had about 2 or 3 hours to get to the airport because I was too busy fucking around walking the streets of Laleli so I cut to the chase.

Asked how much. Told her that I was running low on everything but pounds so we settled on 30 pounds for 2 hours. The waiter presented me with a 20 milyon bill and wanted 20 milyon more as a tip. Fine I thought, paid the money and left.

Walked to a hotel a couple blocks down, got a room (20 pounds + 3 milyon as I was really running low on t.l.) up to the room, said bye bye to the bell boy after tipping him a couple milyon. Fuck those guys have the nerve. He wanted more money as a tip. I told him that I wasn't fucking him, so bye bye. I was a bit rude but was feeling testy from my trip.

Anyway I didn't rush into anything with her right away. She kind of laid on the bed stomach down. We chatted a bit and she obviously had a cold and looked tired. Victoria was her name. A spring chicken fresh from the farms of Ukraine, and at 19 years old and the guilt was beginning to set in with me a little. Over 10 years my junior and I am not that old. Yes I think I may have the wrong hobby as often my conscience competes with my cock for the activities in which I often engage. English was also non existent but we still managed to communicate at which point I started massaging her back, she looked surprised and began to purr.

She wanted me to shower, I told her that she should shower with me. She didn't want to. I was a bit weary as I didn't want her to give me the slip so I left the bathroom door and the shower curtain opened. Anyway after alot of pleading I agreed to go it alone. Had a quick shower, came out and thankfully she was still prone on the bed, watching some cheesy turkish music videos.

Ok its your turn lassie, I gestured her to the bathroom. In she went, after a bunch of loud and romantic farting noises, a toilet flush and the shower began.

Ok I guess I get the picture now, nice girl. After a few minutes she came out and lay on the bed naked and I continued the massage. Anyway I don't really want to go into detail about went on next because this girl left a peice of herself with me when we departed. It was hard. Sex was not as raunchy as the night before in Antalya but it was nice and passionate. Afterwords we sat and chatted for about an hour. Would have stayed much longer but I had a plane to catch, thank god. And I say thank god because if I had any more time in Istanbul I would have taken her up on the ivitations she gave me to see her over the next few days, falling deeper and deeper for her making my invetible return to London all the more painful.

Don't know what it is about her.Shy at first, she warmed up quick and it was like we knew each other for years.We had that rapport going where she would fool around the same way my girlfriends did in the past when I wasn't a solo artist. Anyway c'est la vie.

Yes, I know, don't fall for a *****. Should be in the forefront of everyone's mind as in a way its a fucking war zone out there. No one knows who to trust and when to trust, so the rule is simply 'don't trust'. But of course easier said than done at times, isn't it?

Anyway I tipped her what I had in Euro's, (20, yes its high but she was definitely worth it) and off we went. Reality really sank in as I walked her back to the Irmak where I guess she had to go back to work. As we approached, we no longer walked hand in hand, two pecks on the cheek was all she'd give because she didn't want people to think that she was, ironically enough, NOT a *****.

Anyway that's it folks. Those who endured my epic banter, I say thanks. Any questions you may have, please ask, just remember to keep your mitts off of my Victoria.

Hedonist

01-04-04, 23:41

Guys,

Just a quick note from Istanbul: at Irmak the going rate is no more than $50 for 2 hours. Cupid Stunt (who shamelessly calls his fellow passengers as "snoring and sweaty Turks") and Bunny Hopper: you guys are definitely overpaying... A few days ago I paid 50$ for 2 hours to an incredibly beautiful and klassnaja Mariana. One of my best paid sex experiences...Today I had an average girl, Viktoria, for $40 for 2 hours, and I know I overpaid... I will post a detailed report once I get back to the States.

Epicurus

01-05-04, 00:19

I will be going to Istanbul in 2 weeks, am staying in a "boutique hotel" near the Blue Mosque. Very interested in those East European girls of 50 for 2 hours. Do you just approach them on the street, like if they look Russian, ask them to go with you of what?

Also, I'm very interested in getting a Turkish hooker, how do I go about it?

Please advise

Vegamars

01-06-04, 01:00

Why bother for a 12hr bus trip with sweaty Turks(it must be damn hot in December I guess out there!!),maybe you meant sweety!?

Opium

01-06-04, 01:42

Vegamars,

Its not the destination, but the journey. Its was character building experience. Besides I didn't think the bus would have been as full as it was. I mean only an idiot would take a 12 hour bus ride from Antalya to Istanbul. But it was packed like a can of sardines.

I thought I would have had plenty of room to stretch out, catch up on some reading, maybe have a wack or two. No such luck :(

Opium

01-06-04, 01:59

Hedonist,

I found pricing to be the same. I was quoted 50 US for Viktoria for 2 hours which I gladly took but I paid in pounds (30 to be specific). I was expecting somewhere in 100US range from Bunny's posts. Maybe he dresses better than I do so it comes across like he will pay. I have that Salvation Army thing going on sometimes I guess :(.

I really enjoyed my time with Viktoria. Yes, she is not as raunchy or experienced as some girls. I kind of found that she would prefer not to initiate. But again I have a thing for shy girls so that didn't bother me.

I don't tend to bargain too much if the pricing is in an acceptable range. In london, to get a couple of hours of boom boom time will cost at least 250 pounds (400US+). I feel that the Irmak scene gives great value at bargain prices.

No_Commit

01-06-04, 03:26

Dear Epicurus,
I have no clue how best you can taste a "Turkish Delight" in Istanbul. All I can comment on is how NOT to and that is never go in a pavyon or night club believeing naively to their promises targeted to empty your pockets. Although at this point, I do salute my good friend, Local Expert, as he facilitated a similar experience in Ankara for me some time back. My personal choice are the Eastern Europeans especially Moldovians, as I adore a true GFE experience. I believe Turkish working girls are way over rated. (This was not meant as an insult to any nation or people and just reflects my personal opinion from past experiences: as the Chinese say one man's meat is another's poison). As for your hotel selection, I hate to warn you that some of the boutique hotels in and around of Sultanahmet are usually family run small establishments with 10-12 rooms and can be "guest unfriendly" if you know what I mean. Beware. You may consider changing your booking to be on the safe side or be prepared to accomodate your hobby in short time hotels in the worst case. Last but not least, on how to pick up a USD 50/2 hours chick in Istanbul, please use your search function looking for the keyword "Irmak". I just checked and there are 28 previous posts on the place including directions, address, phone number, key personel names, standard operating procedures, pricing info, and even pictures. Trying to hit on every Eastern European chick you see on the street may not be the most efficient and effective way! LOL

Dear Bunnyhopper,
FYI, I stayed at Intercontinental once but never noticed talent at their bar but this was a few years back. The situation may have changed since. BTW, I am green with envy having read your last expedition to Istanbul. Have you considered getting enrolled in Holiday Inn's Priority Club Rewards? Looks like we will be staying at the same hotel over and over again.

Dear Local Expert,
I agree with you that you may not have to pay in Antalya especially in summer months but you probably will agree with me that CS has done all the right things (except for that bellboy he snapped at) even though he is a total stranger to the area. It is middle of winter, and he spent only 3 days in Antalya, which does not allow too much time to get himself acquinted with ONS's. I am very impressed with his initiative and the lessons he has learned in such a short time. If you think about it, he has been to seedy clubs, pavyons and survived, even managed to find the jackpot places within 3 days. It is simply remarkable. I know people who time after time end up in overpriced Taxim night clubs every time they visit Istanbul simply because they lack the instinct and initiative to explore out of their comfort zones.
I simply take my hat out for our new Istanbul fan: Cupid Stunt.

Hedonist and Vegamars,
Gents, please give Cupid Stunt a break. In my humble opinion, there is no reason why you should be offended by his style and choice of words. Yes, he does say that the bus was " crowded with a carriage full of snoring and sweaty turks from Antalya" but so what? He also says that he walked "up and down the streets like a moron". Does that make him a moron? No. Furthermore, you must have taken long bus journeys in Turkey just like I did, and the coaches ARE indeed full of snoring and sweaty people. Especially in winter, when the driver thinks he is doing everyone a favour by cranking up the heater without moderation to simulate a hellish atmosphere… The trains are even worse but I won't even go there. That fact simply does not qualify to be an insult in my opinion. Turks are just as sweaty and snoring as Russians, Thais, or Mexicans. Please do bury your machetes and think why would CS would travel to Turkey if he did not like the Turks? I have to say that I for one have really enjoyed Cupid's FR's.

One final note to all Istanbul mongers, there may be a trip to Istanbul on my radar screen sometime in March or April. I will update you guys as things become more certain. Are we up for another get together at the infamous Holiday Inn and taste CS's precious Victoria for ourselves? Ha ha ha

Peace
NC

Opium

01-06-04, 09:41

Thank you no_commit for those kind words.

After writing a short novel in these forums, if those are the only criticisms I am to endure, I'll take it. But in exchange, I do provide a sincere apology as I did not intend to imply that all turks are snoring or sweaty. Instead The bus just seemed to have a disproportionate number of snoring and sweaty people. I mean I smelled none too good either once leaving the bus having marinated in my own sweat for 12 hours.

I suppose the passage was to convey the testiness I felt after such a journey. Such testiness is where one tends to underplay the good things and overemphasize the bad. But not one percentage of that was to imply that I do not like or respect the turkish people, as on the contrary, I do like the people. I travel not for business, but for leisure and this being my second trip should indicate that I like the turks. I will happily return to this fine country and believe it or not, would be the first in line to repeat the bus experience as the coaches are a good way to see the surrounding country.

In general (sorry for making another generalization), Turks are inquisitive about foriegners (outside tourist areas) and are ready to take you in at a drop of the hat. I can't count the number of times I had short conversations with turkish men and next thing you know they are asking you if I want to join him and his friends that night for punting. I mean not in a million years would I ask someone if they want to go bang a pro after about 5 minutes of conversation. I don't know how I'd slip it in to the conversation.

Peace

BunnyHopper

01-07-04, 01:00

Cupid Stunt

I must say, that I did like your field reports very much. I like your style of writing, it's makes the FR such a pleasure to read and it also sounds like you had a real adventure exploring the two cities... a real Indiana Jones !

I agree, i think you handled things/yourself well, you are a braver man than I am.

Pleasure tinged with a slight dash of fear and danger makes the hunt worth while !

no_commit

Great to hear from you. I enrolled on the Priority Club scheme during the first stay there last year... but it will take plenty more stays before i can get a room for free !

The last trip there was one i will not forget. I tried Viagra (generic) for the first time ever and boy did the chemical make me feel (and perform) like a "Porn Star" ! Glad you liked the FR's ;-)

The last time i spoke with Local_Expert, he said he was up for the March/April party... so am I. Bring on the "Precious"but leave the Hobbit at home [sorry CS, just had to say that ;-) ]

The Three Wise Men may become wiser still....

Do you have any dates in mind yet ?

Hedonist

I am certain you are correct about the rates and that we are over paying, i felt that when i was there. I have very limited Turkish language skills and as soon as the girl realises your are a foreigner - when you utter the fatal words "Do you speak English ?" (IMHO) you face an uphill struggle to beat her down to a reasonable or benchmark price.

The first quote each girl offered me at Irmak was always $100 for 1 shot.

The only thing that i could think of to beat the rate down was to "name drop" of other places in the area that i have been too (and not been too) - that seemed to work ('ish). However, it was not a good idea to mention to the girls that i have been to Bacardi Club as that then led to the question "Why you pay me so little ?" They then quote you Bacardi rates in the middle of the afternoon at Irmak !

I guess i will have to learn more Turkish or improve my poker face.

Have you tried any of the other restaurants adjacent to Irmak. I couldn't help but notice that they all had prettier girls there ?

Epicurus

There is a another Holiday Inn near Topkapi Palace. That might be a better bet for being guest friendly.

http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/HOLI/hd/ISTMC

They also seem to be around $30 per night cheaper than the Holiday Inn located at Atakoy.

The only Turkish hookers i've seen in Istanbul were in Nadide & Enjoy Massage Parlour.

Inostranets

01-07-04, 17:19

hi guys,

well after reading all these reports of istanbul i decided to give the game ago. admittedly this was my first paid sex experience as i'm just student. i was quite surprised with the whole experience, as due to my age i'm only used to having sex with girls who are very inexperienced to say the least, so it was nice to be able to cut out all the formalities and fuck the hell outta a girl like a porn film not having to worry about seein her the next day. it's rare to find a "normal" girl who'd let you do everything you want.

i did a girl called sveta, 25yr old from kalingrad (koningsberg) who seems to fit previous descriptions of the sveta on this board except she had brownish hair, had it been dyed blonde? i'd like to try out some of the other restaurants on the street next time i'm back on uni hols (my parents live there), can speek some turkish and a decent bit of russian so sure i coulda bargained a hell of a lot more, i overpaid at 2hrs for 80 tho as was mentioned before it is so cheap that couldnt really care.

pitty i only discovered this scene now, dont think i'd take it as serious as you guys by travelling places just for the sake of the hunt tho it makes a far better alternative to looking at a porno vid when you just want a fuck and none of the strings attatched.

cheers

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Vegamars

01-09-04, 00:11

The max price in Irmak is always $50 for 2hrs and you can go down as low as $25 for 3hrs,but you've got to be patient if you wanna have some kind of quality like in Bacardi where the min rate is $100 for 3hrs.Restaurants around Irmak might seem attractive,but you can never feel comfortable like in Irmak where you'll face a fixed bill of about $25-30.

Princer

01-09-04, 03:31

Dear friends need help!,
I am looking for Turkish orginal Video in DVD or web dowloading pay site, I could not find one. If any one is familiar please post or send me PM. Your help is greatly appriciated.

I am looking for adult movie some thing simmilar like the enclosed picyure. This picture I took from a DVD selling website. I could not buy from here because the language is in Turkish and no option in selecting US $, as I am in USA and need to be shipped to USA
Thanks
Princer

Hedonist

01-09-04, 05:34

On my last night in Istanbul on Tuesday I went to Irmak again, this time to the disco. Irmak is excellent in terms of prices, but I cannot say the same for the quality of girls. I hang out there from 11pm until 1am. I didn't really like any of the girls and decided to move to Seranda. At Irmak I paid 12M TL (~$8) for a beer and bowl of pistacios. At Seranda the entrance to the disco is 20M TL and room in the hotel is 45M TL. I hooked up with an Ukranian beauty for $40 for two hours. In my experience quality in Seranda was better than Irmak. I have been to Irmak before on two other occasions. As Vegamars pointed out no matter what you eat or drink you pay something like 25-30 M TL. In both times I had to sit and wait for a while until a decent girl walked in. Most girls were simply below par.

BunnyHopper

01-09-04, 16:07

princer,

i think i have the film you are talking about. i have i think half a dozen turkish porno's on cd-rom in either xvid, divx or mpeg format. they are near dvd quality.

(xvid and divx are to dvd's what mp3 is to audio cd's - high quality rips's at a fraction of the file size, you can squeeze a dvd movie onto a 700mb cd-rom at near dvd quality)

you don't need to buy these on dvd (unless you actually want to ;-) you can convert the xvid and divx file to dvd and burn them, or you can buy stand alone divx players or (as i do, watch on your pc with the right codec)

you can obtain them for free using a file sharing software called emule along with a broadband internet connection (and obvioulsy a good firewall and antivirus software like norton)

you can get more info on emule at

http://www.emule-project.net/

you can download the emule software from

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/emule/emule0.30e-installer.exe

the file size is 4.4mb

below is a screen shot of the software showing what came up when searching for "turk xxx". if you know the name of something specific type it in - i think the film you are after is available.

a 700mb file may take a 2 days to download. whether or not you can download the file at full speed (then just a few hours at broadband) depends on how many people are sharing it.

i tend to download between 5 - 10 files at a time so that i use 80-90% of my bandwidth as not every file will download at full speed.

emule is really great, i have used it to download all sort of music albums, the very latest software from microsoft and others, regular movies and obviously a few porno's - god bless mario salieri, italian porn is good !!!!!)

i can imagine that not everybody likes p2p file sharing, but over the course of a year, i've downlaod 250gb of music, software and movies !!!

if you need more help info, let me know.

BunnyHopper

01-09-04, 16:15

Princer,

""Ask Adasi"" is available, see screen shot below.

The file size is 1.12GB with only 9 people sharing it. This means you can get it but it will be slow - you'll need patience !

BunnyHopper

01-09-04, 16:31

Princer,

Go to the following site

http://excaliburfilms.com/excal.htm

And type in Istanbul Life in the the movie title search box (check the VHS box ) and you'll find the type of films you are after. (They are only available in VHS-NTSC)

The site is in English, but not sure which country they are based in.

Have Fun

Princer

01-10-04, 02:04

BunnyHopper:

Thanks Thanks and Thanks for the help. I found excaliburfilms.com/ site yesterday, you are right every thing is available on VHS. I will try the file sharing software.

I will keep you posted.

Thanks for your time and effort.

Princer

FunInTheSea

01-16-04, 09:53

I went to Seranda on tuesday like 11 pm. 20M enterence fee. There was full of girls with very less hunters at the tables. I sat in the bar. Girls were mostly around 5-7, One or two 8.

A sweety Moldavian, Monica took my attention. She said 100M TL for one hour, she had a sexy shirt showing her boobs made my decision. Indeed you must be very careful couse of poor lights of seranda. Her body was slim and shape as if she is training. She had 8 according to my scale. But face is 5 with bad teeth. I paid 45M for the room. Thinking could I have a better choice. I gave 100M in the room to her.

Anyway sex was good. Starting with BBBJ and many positions. She was good. We finished with doggie. I want she stay and gave another 40M. Again good sex. In 2 hours everything ok. I think she rushed becouse if she went the bar early she could find another customer.

Chinese Power

02-01-04, 03:09

Hey All,

Is it possible for a only english speaker to have 'fun' in Istanbul?

Thanks

Chinese Power

02-02-04, 01:30

BTW could you tell me a better way to hoop up? Bacardi or Nadid?

Thanks again

Connect 28

02-02-04, 22:02

Chinese Power,

It depends on what you are looking for Naidide is all Turkish girls and except one or two not very good looking. They also need to know you for you to get sex on the spot. Otherwise it will be just a massage. Bacardi is all CIS with very good looking girls. However much more expensive than Nadide and more time consuming.

Newbie Steve

02-05-04, 02:18

I will be visiting Istanbul and was curious is there such a thing as a hamam that has women who massage the men and provide "extra" services? I'll be traveling with company and don't want to go clubbing but maybe we all go to a Turkish bath where the men receive some nice extras.

Thanks!

P Chaser

02-05-04, 11:34

Newbie Steve,

Nope, would be a nice touch though!

Priamos

02-22-04, 09:02

The Istanbul section looks a bit dead these days. Rather like Istanbul under the snow. Ah well, as they sing in Porgy and Bess it "ain't necessarily so".

I arrived to Istanbul last Saturday immediately following this winter's worst blizzard. The airport had been closed for 36 hours and consequently the town was full of stranded people from the Middle East, Central Asia, etc. who had missed their one connecting flight that week. Since Turkish law treats blizzards as a force majeur that allows hotel guests to stay in their hotel rooms for as long as they need, my hotel informed me that it was only as a special favour to a return client that they honoured the reservation I had made two months earlier. They are SO kind at hotel Merit Antique... ;-)

And it's not a bad hotel for mongering either: it's located in the nicer part of Laleli, direct at a stop on the tramway that takes you to the touristic areas of town (Hagia Sophia, Galata Bridge), while being only five minutes' walk from the centre of the Russian bar scene around the Mustapha Cemal Street. And, I should add, it is guestfriendly. (But please don't embarras the staff by parading very vulgar girls around.)

As mentioned in an earlier posting, the Yenikapi neighbourhood around Mustapha Cemal is my favourite haunt. A quick guide is the following. Start at the ugly road junction at the top of Mustapha Cemal and walk toward the sea:

1) After one block you have Bacardi Club in a house to your right. It's in the basement and opens late at night.

2) At approximately the same spot, turn left and walk half a block: you will see a short street where the famous Irmak restaurant/bar/discoteque is located. All the bars and restaurants on the street are in the same line of business, but the others are more bent on trickery.

3) Alternatively, turn right and walk for anywhere between a half and two blocks. You're in the neighbourhood selling auto parts, but strewn among these shops you find a number of bars and discoteques, some of them honest, some of them mildly crooked (by which I mean: you may be billed extra, but not up to the point of a complete rip-off). Hotel Serenda with its famous monger-disco is at the far end of this neighbourhood.

4) Back on Mustapha Cemal, continue walking toward the sea. Pass the McDonald and on your right you have the Big Pub music bar (Muzikhol). It opens early, and you can have a beer and a snack in the early afternoon while watching Turkish football on the TV screens.

5) Following it are another couple of places. One of them is downstairs (name?). It also opens early, but I cannot recommend it: the waiters and the girls are "a bit too smart" for my taste.

6) There are a few streetwalkers around Mustapha Cemal. These are Turkish and speak no English. They are very discrete in the sense that they don't hang around, and they won't even stop if YOU hang around and look at them. You need to keep up with their pace and speak to them. (DON'T insult honest women: better to stay in the neighbourhood for a while and identify those women who show up again and again.)

OK, I had three days to spend in Istanbul. Late Saturday afternoon I went to neighbourhood 4) and found a cheap joint where a small group of "Romanian" women (as in "Moldovan"...) were chatting away their boredom with only a few unshaven elderly voyeurs to keep them company. My arrival livened things up a bit. One observation at this place: it pays to dress up!!! Last summer in Istanbul I was another fat slob in a polo shirt and washed up pants and the better looking chicks showed me little to no interest. This winter I arrived in a lacoste pullover and a trenchcoat and they couldn't get enough of me. And this did NOT make their services more expensive - if anything the opposite. I left with a 24 y.o. natural blonde who charged 50 euros for two hours of straight sex. We went to a nearby hotel and got a nice room for which I paid another 30 euros. Finally, I tipped her 20 euros in return for good French kissing and 69 (it's normally part of the service, but one never knows...). She gave me a correct service with a good long BBBJ and two unrushed rounds of penetration. Not exactly GFE, but good value for money nevertheless. Only problem was, she wanted to work entirely without protection and I had a hassle convincing her to accept my using a condom. (Yes, I do prefer BB sex, but if she does it with me it means she does it with everybody else...)

Sunday afternoon I watched a lot of football and drank quite a lot of beer. It was therefore clear that it was not going to be a long night. I went to the Big Pub around 6 p.m. and very quickly picked up a petite black haired Russian woman. She wasn't young (late 30s?), but ultra slim and an excellent dancer (there's a small dance floor - not for gogo but for real couples). The latter caught my attention... she had all the right motions. We went to my hotel, two hours for 50 euros as usual, showered together and used this as foreplay (not all girls will do this), had an OK BBBJ/69 and... my prediction turned out to have been correct. The expert dancer was lively like a case of eels in bed. After my two hours she left and I collapsed on my bed.

Monday afternoon I went to Irmak, but had big trouble finding an English speaking girl. (That's a common problem there, I'm afraid. It's much better in some of the other places.) Finally a waiter helped me to a goodlooking 22 y.o. Ukrainian girl who could speak the lingo. Unfortunately, she was also bent on jingo, so I left her in a hotel room a little later, having paid only the room rate. She told me sternly that "Two hours don't mean two hours. How much sex do you want?", then proceeded to tell me that she never kisses. Come off it babe, we're not in London!

Monday evening, having checked Bacardi and found the girls beautiful, cold-faced and expensive, I went to another one of the places in 4) neighbourhood. There I picked up a 5.10 (three inches more than myself) 21 y.o. Ukrainian girl. (50 euros as usual.) We went to a local hotel, and she gave me the nearest I came to a GFE on this trip. I licked her pussy and her ass, and she took this as a sign of my "tendencies", so in her turn she stuck her tounge at least one inch (I swear!) into my a**hole. Then, when I came on her she exclaimed "You won't stick it in my ass! Or will you?" and smiled coquettishly. Considering I hadn't paid extra for a-levels it was very generous of her, but I declined. It is not really my thing.

A good three-day experience therefore, for a couple of houndreds. I know I'm not in the majority on this board, but I for one recommend Istanbul as a mongering destination.

Tom2004

03-08-04, 08:24

Folks,

My FR Istanbul. Being aware this forum is not as active as others are I still gained substantial basic knowledge before starting. Thanks to all who contributed to it before.

Temperature was 3 C and light snowing which might had an impact to the activities on the streets.

Went to Aksaray heading for the famous Irmak street – have not found the street itself, at least no sign saying Irmak, but came to the area where all the activity is going on.

Between 06:00pm and 08:00pm there were quite a number of SW, seeming to be all from the CIS states, on the street which actively approached me, however quality was definite below par. Those looking nicer were definitely waiting for the bus only. The pimps on the street upset me for offering something I may get better without there support. But a lady in the age to be my mother offended my most when actively offering her services and did not give way. Anyhow that is part of the game. Talked to some of SWs and were offered as low as TLR 20MIO for 20 minutes in there own hotel, however this is not my cup of tea if they are not looking nice.

Went to Big Pub but was as quick out as I were inside, because could not become comfortable with the atmosphere. The set-up of all those discos and bars seemed to me as a kind of rip-off and some of you folks have experienced that already, so no need to repeat.

Finally called Alexsandra and asked for an outcall to my Hotel (Hilton Taksim). She agreed to come and were absolute on time.

Look: 8
- Face: 9
- Body: 7
- Breast: 8 (assumed to be 70/75B)
Size: approx 170 cm, 34
Nationality: Ukrainian
Rate: EUR 125,00 for 120mins plus TRL 15MIO for Taxi
Service: CBJ/FS (have not asked for French kiss or anal)
Language: English limited but acceptable for some conversation.

Attitude: well serving, little bit hurrying to my expectation because she wanted to got to club. Funny sweet person. In general good girl friend experience but somehow seemed to be a little bit mechanic.

Remarks: demanded money up front, delivered as agreed in return. Willing to come to hotel without big discussion. Get your own condoms, those she was using seemed to be former tyres for bikes.

Rating: I do recommend her and would contact her again when back in Istanbul

As usual I am willing to share her mobile number with you folks, but on request via PM only. First timers, having not submit reports to the forum will not be served.

Istanbul is not the mongering station to go to, but it is not to bad if you are there anyhow.

Take care folks,

TOM

Priamos

03-09-04, 07:42

Tom,

Glad you enjoyed Istanbul, if perhaps not the Yenikapi neighbourhood. Just a couple of words in response to your posting:

1) Irmak is not a street. It is the name of the principal restaurant/bar/discoteque in a small street, which hosts another 3-4 mongering places.

2) The Big Pub is not a rip-off place. Quite the opposite: when they get to know you they even absolve you from the otherwise inevitable snacks (cover charge disguised as salted nuts...) thus making the whole thing much cheaper. The problem is, the premises are shabby and run down, so if you feel unconfortable in places that don't look like Europe in the 21st century you'll feel uncomfortable here. That said, the rip-off places are usually the glitzy and glossy ones. The dark and mushy music bars mostly cater to the locals.

Aslan Kral

03-09-04, 15:18

I visited Istanbul over the last weekend and had long sessions with three different girls, now would like to share my experience.

Some background information; I am Turkish, have been living abroad for about 15 years. Though being Turkish, don’t know Istanbul well. I read the articles posted in this forum and tried to follow guidelines, starting from Irmak.

I live in US, but visiting Europe for business for a few weeks. Before flying to Istanbul, downloaded a map from internet that shows all relevant streets and purchased two packs of condoms. I also purchased lots of chocolate to give as gifts to my to-be-entertainers.

Day 1

I arrived at Ataturk airport around 8PM after a 3 hours flight from Europe and took a taxi to Holiday Inn, costing less than 10 mil. Next to Galleria shopping center and Crown Plaza hotel near the airport, it is an ideal location. You are not going to shoot all day long, so you might need some relaxation, go to a movie, read something, eat and buy small gifts, etc.

Daily rate was $59, but not possible to access your room via separate sections as posted earlier. When you bring someone, hotel personnel want you to register the guest, but sometimes it is possible to pass through the reception without being noticed, when the registration area is deserted.

As far as I understood, guest registration requires either a passport or an identification document by Turkish government. All girls said this is expected and presented their passports or identification cards without any objection. One of the girls had even a legitimate Turkish identification card, and told me she bought it paying a few hundred bucks 3-4 years ago. She said it is authentic and uses it all the time to come to Turkey. The ladies I met are legally entering the country, getting their visas at the entry point. Two of the girls were from Ukraine, and other one from Hungary(my favorite one). Interesting point, Turkey does not require a visa from these countries, but they want a real visa from Turkish citizens.

Anyway, hotel people are nice and don’t object to anything, you can have the lady until the morning. When you bring someone, people sometimes look at you, but don’t care much.

In the room, took a quick shower and called the reception to get a taxi. I told the taxi driver ‘Aksaray’ and that was sufficient, all the taxies heading to Aksaray during my three days always went to the same street, Mustafa Kemal Caddesi. I had the full address and a map from Internet so it did not take much time to locate Irmak. It was after 9:30PM and I always felt safe, a few guys tried to talk to me, but I simply ignored them.

First visited the restaurant section of Irmak and had a soup. There are many nice ladies, but this is Friday night and the place is packed full. I had to sit with another guy who was drinking his last Raki. There was no problem, these are peaceful people. After finishing the meal, paid the check (about 10M) and proceeded to the smaller section where you can drink a coffee.

There were 5 ladies and 1 other guy, excluding the 3-4 waiters. I guess, this is normal during March time when Istanbul does not get many tourists. I sat down in a location to check for the ladies, and two of them seem like 7-8, others less. After a coffee, I walk up and invite one of the better ones to my table.

Lady is from Ukraine, blond, about 30-years of age, 1.70M, seems to have large boobs, etc. She is attractive and speaks both English and Turkish. She orders a cocktail, which is possibly the most expensive drink in the arsenal, and asks my name, profession, etc. Prefers speaking in English. We have a nice conversation for about 10-15 minutes and finally get down to the price. I like the lady, feel her looks and reckon I can bang her for hours.

I mention that Irmak is well known over the internet and that’s the reason I am there. She got truly surprised to hear that and finally quotes a price of 50 euros for 2 hours and 100 euros for the night. Better than expected, I was thinking, may be she would quote much more to start with. I guess the business is slow at this time, I mean there is one other guy sitting across and he does not seem very interested with the ***** business.

I ask about BJ and other stuff, and she says she does everything except anal sex. I settle for 2-hours option but she wants the money right away and does not object coming to Holiday Inn. Yes, it is odd that she wants the money right there, but I feel confident I am not being ripped off. I pay her 50 euros, and 20Mil for the tab and 5Mil for the tip, then we head for a cab.

Cab costs less than 10Mil and trip takes about 10 minutes, after registering here at the reception, we head to our room.

She is talkative, we talk about a lot of things, Ukraine, Turkey, the countries I visited and lived, life, how she ended up as a *****, etc, for about 30 minutes. She is a university graduate and not as dumb as American girls back at home. I feel it is unjust that educated eastern girls like this lady had to work as *****s while world’s dumbest girls back home enjoy the amenities of a developed nation (LOL - just kidding).

After the shower together, we start passionately in the bed. She does BBBJ, though no request from my side. It is a 30-minutes premium sucking service, more than enough to arouse me for the rest of the night. This is followed with sex(always protected) in several positions. I can watch us from the mirror, adding more pleasure to the experience. She seems very much like enjoying it. I keep telling her, if it hurts, tell me. We kiss all over, except I don’t eat her. It took about 2-hours before I came on her behind. Except for resting for a 1-2 minutes between different positions, banging went on for 2 hours, wow! I start thinking that’s why we need *****s. Girlfriend back home, would start complaining after 15-20 minutes.

It is already after midnight, I feel a little bit tired, but decide to buy her for the rest of the night. She does not request the money right away and does not complain that we already passed 2-hours limit.

We order something to eat, the hotel has room service until 3AM over the weekends. Watch TV, and can still find common subjects to talk about.

After another shower we start over and have sex for another 2 hours, this time I can’t finish the job, but that’s still lots of pleasure as she sucks my balls out of their places and engages in slow-gentle-fucking.

I ask her what would happen if I use Viagra. She says I would get non-stop erection for, may be, 10-15 hours, but I would feel very exhausted after that and could not possibly do a thing for 2-3 days. I am excited at the idea of 10-15 hours of slow-banging with a hard dick.

We sleep until 9AM and start over again. After 30-40 minutes of joyous morning sex, I come again, this time in missionary position.

After the morning session, it is time to part, and I ask a few questions; such as where I can find a Turkish *****, she says she knows one who usually waits in another restaurant nearby. We exchange phone numbers and she promise that she would introduce the Turkish lady.

I also ask about the police raids and how the customers and *****s are dealt in such cases. She says, police comes to Irmak every other week, sometimes collecting eastern women from multiple locations for a checkup. All of these girls are legally staying in the country and police is only interested if any of the girls has any disease. If they find one, they immediately deport, otherwise they let the girl return back to Irmak or wherever she is working.

She mentioned about other countries she visited. For example, in Dubai you would go to prison and undercover officers try to frame you before the arrest. On the other hand, Arab men also have ‘yarrak’ (a nice slang for penis) and show great interest in whoring. She mentioned about 6-months prison times in Dubai.

I present a big box of chocolate as a gift and she is delighted. I finally call a taxi and escort her to the lobby. People look at us, she is not dressed like a *****, but it is clear she is an eastern girl. People quickly conclude that she is a *****. I don’t budge and look at the people’s faces directly, showing absolutely no sign of embarrassment.

Aslan Kral

03-09-04, 15:25

Day 2

I have not slept enough, but hey, I am here for *****-banging for 2.5 days. I can sleep later.

I visit Galleria, 3-5 minutes walk from the hotel. Eat doner kebap, go to a movie that I missed at home and do some window-shopping. Galleria is not that bad, even better than those dumb malls in East Coast. Most of the customers are from eastern countries, possibly *****s spending their hard-earned dollars/euros.

Now I wanna visit Seranda, but it is still too early, so I get a taxi, go back to Aksaray. I spot a small drugstore on Mustafa Kemal Caddesi. BunnyHopper might have mentioned about the same place, but I did not see a Bayer logo. Asked the guy if they have Viagra and could sell without a prescription. That’s an absurd question in Turkey, of course they would sell it without a prescription. My doctor back in US would never prescribe me Viagra.

The price for 4 tablets was 69.5 Mil, 21 Mil more expensive than what BunnyHopper quoted. But, it was clear that the drug was genuine, there was Pfizer logo and prize was also attached. Anyway, I would not care about the price difference much. I bought 4 pills of 50mg for 69.5 mil. There was another option, 4 pills of 100mg for 103Mil.

It is 5-ish, then proceeded to Irmak.

Now the place is more crowded, may be 5 *****-bangers and 11-12 girls. Men come in and go out after checking the scene. Some of the men are badly shaved, difficult to imagine *****s would accept them, I mean they are ugly and seem dangerous, but hey money buys everything for every one.

Anyway, I sat down at a table alone and call my friend from previous day to go for this Turkish girl. No response, I try 10-15 times for the next 30 minutes sipping coffee. I now decide to choose another girl and see an older woman around 35 years-old. I immediately like her, there are much better looking girls with better bodies, but I have instincts, this lady will give me whatever I want tonight.

I invite her and talk to her for the next 20-25 minutes. Again similar subjects. She is short-petite-brunette with short hair. I learn that she is from Ukraine and worked as a kindergarten teacher for several years before government wages sharply plunged to next to nothing. We have definitely connected and agree on the price without any problem, 50 euros for 2 hours and 100 euros for the night.

The check was now 38 Mil, because of 4 cups of coffee I consumed and her cocktail.

Took a cab and went back to the hotel. Quick registration, the clock hits 6PM when we hit the room. Plenty of time ahead, and she does not request the money right away. After 20-25 minutes of talk about different things, we start kissing, and go to shower. While she is in the shower, I take half of a Viagra pill following Mr. Hopper’s advise. That starts showing impact after 10-15 minutes and really woow! After a night of 4-5 hours of sucking/fucking how’s that sound? That would be almost impossible for me without the pill, even if you bring Pamela Anderson right there.

She comes out of shower and we start business. Her ass is quiet nice, and I observe it from the mirror when she sucks me. She does BBBJ without any question and even ready for unprotected sex. These ladies would not mind, but it is better to do protected. Anyway, I feel like my penis is going to hit the roof and she sucks and sucks and sucks, sloooowly for 25-30 minutes. Then sits on top of it slowly fucking it, moaning, while I am watching everything from the mirror. Nice, and I would cum probably within minutes under these circumstances, but does not happen. Goes on like 2-hours, different positions, I finally come while banging her from behind, stomach on the bed. We are all sweating over, breathing hard during the session.

I decide to keep her, rather than going back to find another *****. We agree on additional 50 euros, and it is still long way to go during the night. Amazing, my dick is already hard, waiting to be served. She starts sucking again, does not show a single clue of disappointment. I keep telling her, if it hurts or you get tired, let me know, we can stop.

While she was sucking, I open the TV and find a Russian channel. There are some pretty nice songs and she starts watching TV with me. She explains the meaning of songs and I try to sing the melody of a Turkish song adapted from an old Russian folk song. She sings me the original song explaining the meaning. I like the song and I like her.

Going back to business, I bang her for the next 1-1.5 hours, dick is not going down under no circumstances. I stand up and let her suck and observe the scene from mirror. Pretty nice. Then I ask if I come in her mouth, she says yes, but wouldn’t swallow. I cum after another 15-20 minutes, just on her body after a very-fast missionary type. If you are desperate to cum, you can take one leg of her to support your very fast movement. Most ladies don’t like it, but she did not complain, I cum even better then the first one.

Close to 1AM, I got her number, but she was set to leave this Wednesday. I presented a nice chocolate box to her, she thanked, we kissed, called a taxi for her. She left on her own without me escorting her.

Anyway, I was sure I could go on with banging business until the next several hours, but I was very sleepy so go to bed. Slept until 1PM.

Aslan Kral

03-09-04, 15:54

Day 3

Woke up at 1PM after 12 hours of sleep. Take a shower and go to Galleria to eat another kebab, may be catch another movie later. 2-3 hours later, I call the first night’s lady, Hmmm, another lady responds. This is possibly her friend. She says she is available, but that’s not I’m asking about it, I mention about this Turkish lady, but she does not know and turns a negative attitude. I say bye and start planning. I feel like I am not going to do it today, my flight is tomorrow morning, but why waste one more day? I can use the other half of Viagra pill from yesterday.

What is going to happen to other three pills? I have no idea where I am going to use them, because they must be used for serious banging, possibly multiple prostitutes during the same night. Using it against a regular gal is not going to be merciful. These must be properly utilized on pros.

In Galleria, I see some Turkish men sitting with beautiful ladies. I mean, the guys are quite ugly, not shaved, possibly coming from rural areas to pay a visit to banging business in Istanbul. You look at the girls sitting next to these guys and some of them are among the prettiest I have ever seen. What a conflicting scene! Woman don’t seem happy and guys don’t seem like pimps. 2 men 3 girls, conclusion is; money buys everything.

I catch a taxi and go to Irmak again. My strategy is clear, now I am looking for a lady at least 8-9 range, if I don’t find it here go to other places later. I also think about going to this restaurant where the Turkish lady is waiting for customers, but I still want to check Irmak.

Now, Sunday evening, the place is full, nowhere to sit. Lots of girls (15-20 of them) and may be 7-8 guys. All people are sitting mixed around the tables, even though they have no common business. Waiters know me and I tell them to put me in a table with 4 girls which seem quite high on the scale. This is going to be costly, because I have to buy drinks for 4 women. I am not thinking about hiring 2 or 3 of them together, I am still focused on just one lady.

Three Moldavian and one Hungarian. Each of them is at least 8, but 2 girls sitting on one side seem very young, might be even younger than 18. They are relatively short, but attractive. On the other hand, two on the other side are older, 25-30 range, but they are taller and prettier. I make an early decision, Hungarian or Moldavian, ignoring the younger ones.

Both are beautiful, but Hungarian seems more welcoming. I like her, she is about 1.70M, brunette, large boobs, very nice ass, awesome, definitely better than the first 2 nights. Question is can we connect and have a joyous night? We talk about Hungary, Budapest, European Union, the situation back home, etc.

I make a final decision after 10-15 minutes and decide to go with the Hungarian. Moldavian might be a stunner, but I have little evidence it will turn out to be a lovely night with her. I don’t want anything mechanical, passionate long sex is number one priority.

Our lady quotes 100Mil for 2 hours and 170 Mil for the night. It is slightly higher than first 2, but that’s OK, all night still comes to 105 euros.

The check was 46M and head-waiter now complained about the tip, which was 4Mil. Why don’t you leave a 10Mil he asked. I didn’t like his attitude and didn’t tip him more.

The key point out of this is that I don’t want to spend this much money in Irmak or other places. I gotta have several connections and call them when I am in town. Most of these ladies return back to Istanbul on a regular basis and stay for a month or 2. I would love to have Turkish connections and my plan is to improve upon it when I visit next time. I kept thinking about this and when I can come back to the city next time, while riding the taxi together with the Hungarian beauty.

I had a lot of Hungarian friends, but never had sex with a Hungarian lady. Some people from Hungary had claimed that Turks and Hungarians originate from the same roots, seriously doubt it.

She registers at the hotel using a Turkish identification card! I ask if she is married to a Turkish guy, she says she got it a few years back, bribing a few hundred bucks. This is authentic, I mean she uses to enter the country. She says, it is not possible anymore because the law has been changed, you had to stay married to a Turkish citizen for 5 years she says.

We get to the room, again she turns out to be quite talkative and prefers Turkish. I like her from the first moment. She takes off her clothes slowly, and it is a stunner, definitely a 9. Now I feel like I wanna kiss every inch of her body. I think, I am going to eat her, yes I wanna eat her.

While she is in the shower, I consume the rest of the pill from yesterday.

We go to bed naked and pill does its work like that. It is skyrocketing now, my guest likes it a lot. She says, it is a like a ‘sopa’ (stick) . She speaks Turkish quite good and uses all types of words, ‘yarrak’ (penis), ‘sikmek’(fucking), ‘got’(ass), etc. She use these words during the intercourse and I am overjoyed to hear that a girl is moaning your native language during sex using all foul words. This would be one reason why I would want to have sex with a Turkish girl.

She sucks softly for about 20 minutes, and then I suck her, first time in my life, her vagina is so beautiful. This might even sound disgusting for some folks, but she taught me how I should eat her and that was a very good feeling, as you suck her, she masturbates using your tongue and truly enjoys the moments, moaning deeply. You realize that she is not faking. Yes, I like her.

We have then sex at different positions, but during missionary position, she uses my stick for about 30-minutes to reach orgasm. I can feel how she gives different angles to her vagina, basically do the real fucking. She says, ‘oooh, sopa gibi yarrak’ (penis like a stick). Folks, I guarantee you that she is not faking. I am not in a position to finish, but I enjoy every moment. Thanks to her and Viagra.

She then sits, but having achieved the orgasm, it is now more mechanical. But I still enjoy the scene from the mirror. Very nice, beautiful and round ass ramming my penis.
I suck her large and natural boobs. She is fantastic and uses all those foul words.

We try a couple of more positions, but I can not just finish. I don’t want to hurt her and a little bit tired, I say let’s wait for some time. I tell her, I wanna keep it for the rest of the night and later pay her 50 more euros. She has a stunning body, no question about it.

We order room service and eat together, talk about our past experiences. I talk about the women of my past, and she does the same, talking about her ex-husband, her disappointments, etc. Amazing detail from our conversation is that when she started whoring she was not very experienced, having had sex with only 2 men until then. I have a feeling that she was telling the truth because she covered the details quite consistently.

After midnight, we start the business again and continue for one more hour but no success. I open the erotic channels, but they are not going to help much. My dick is like a stick but won’t happen.

Now we rest and talk about other ladies, I ask if she has another friend she can offer me if come back later. She says yes, and talks about another Hungarian lady. I talk about a 2-some, and she says yes, we can do it. We exchange the numbers.

We talk about the activity in other parts of Istanbul. She says, Taksim area is full of transsexuals and she does not like them. She told me about one weird story. She was once hired by a homosexual. She, of course didn’t know until she arrived to the hotel room. It was a suite with two rooms. This newly wed male couple from Amsterdam visited Istanbul for honeymoon, and one of them (wife) had decided to fuck a female and brought our lady to his room. Our lady sees the other guy and becomes nervous, then she was explained the situation that the other guy wouldn’t touch her, could not touch her anyway. Wife fucks our lady and during the intercourse, husband waits in the other room.

Amazing, right?

We were quite tired and went to sleep after 1AM. Woke up at 5AM to catch the flight, but she wants me to finish. So, I eat her again, bangs missionary position, she got orgasm, talks dirty, all similar to previous night and then I cum all over her, in about 45 minutes.

45 minutes later, we catch separate taxis, one to her hotel, one to the airport.

Lessons learned;

1-) Don’t tip, or if you tip, keep it to a minimum, otherwise expectations will always be higher. If possible, try to have a table for yourself only and invite your lady. Sometimes this is not possible as there are not enough places.

2-) Be nice to your lady friends, talking for at least 20-25 minutes before the intercourse and being nice is going to be rewarding later. Try small gifts, such as chocolate.

3-) If you are planning to visit Istanbul a few times over the next few months, try building relationships. Target at least one connection. Connections might help you achieve more connections. I will visit Istanbul and plan to have two-some with Hungarian beauties.

4-) Price for a lady in Irmak should never exceed 100 euros for an all nighter, unless the lady is a true hit. But, true hits very rarely play well in bed. If you are clean, shaved and have good outfit, regardless of your attractiveness scale, the ladies will probably choose you over others with reasonable pricing, possibly less than 50 euros per night. Ladies, especially the ones working on other countries are afraid of unexpected incidences, thus reject low-level Turkish guys from time-to-time. I did not cover the details above, but I heard dark stories from each of my three guests. Each claimed that they make a selection, and don’t accept every request. I am not sure if they are telling me the truth.

5-) Use protection These ladies do checkup from time-to-time, like every six months, but they do it with others without protection. The chances might be smaller compared to western countries, however would you take a flight anywhere if the plane would go down with a minor possibility of even 1%?

6-) I have the impression that Irmak scene will be much different during summer, possibly much less choices. Whenever I visit Irmak, found enough choices, and female/male ratio was more than 2.

Summary;

Lots of sucking, hours of fucking, I definitely enjoyed Istanbul scene and will go back at the first opportunity.

Tom2004

03-10-04, 08:54

Priamos,

Thanks for the coments and I blieve you are right. Honestly I am more in outcalls and there is the scene not to good at least I did not got any numbers. The other problem is I am always on business trip and have only a couple of hours on time to spent. This gives a certain preassure to get it done.

And last but not least, my jacket was not for the actual temps, thus having a cold now.

Take care and have fun,

Tom

BunnyHopper

03-13-04, 13:39

Aslan,

Nice report, glad you enjoyed your time.

Those little pills really are a wonder drug - a must from now on !

The stuff i bought was a generic, called Vigrande 50 (i think) and the price was electronically printed onto it (40 something mill i think). I can imagine that Pfizer is more expensive.

I also agree, that these pills really wear you out. Your "Stick" will stay rock hard for hours but the rest of your body lags behind - adequate sleep is very important.

Each time i have been to Irmak, i have always thought that the girls at the places adjacent are more nicer, but never investigated this - the waiters seem more pushy (as you walk past) and the girls i picked up from Irmak have always told me that the adjacent places charge the punters more.

Has anybody investigated these joints ?

For a Turkish hooker, perhaps you should have tried the massage parlours, they all have turkish girls and you can get their number for an outcall later. There is Nadide & Enjoy and i am sure cab drivers will know of others in the city.

Ankara is the place for Turkish hookers (Tally Ho ! LE how are things in Ankara ?).

When i was there last time during December, the secondary entrances to the accomodation blocks at the Holiday Inn were locked (i guess because of bombs) - but when taking a girl back i was never asked to sign one in. This is a difference now.

Also i think i'd prefer to stay now in a hotel closer to Aksaray - anybody got any suggestions ?

Anything new in Istanbul - off the beaten track ??

Enjoy.

Aslan Kral

03-15-04, 15:17

BunnyHopper,

I fully agree with you, was back in Istanbul this weekend (second in a row) and planning to cover additional details.

I used two half-pills within several hours, stupid of me, and I felt dizzy at some point. During a course of 2.5 days, I consumed 2 full pills, I guess it is just too much. Expectations always go higher. For people like us, as we don't really need it, I would recommend using it less often, may be once in a month, especially when you plan to have sex with more than 2 girls during the same night.

I was with my Hungarian lady most of the time and she knows about where to stay nearby, and which other joints we could visit. She mentioned about some pub names I never heard. I will call her and get the required info and post it here.

I believe, Istanbul is much better than Ankara in every respect, including Turkish hookers. We just don't know where to look.

What you are saying about Holiday Inn might still be correct, may be I just didn't push the hotel guys enough to get a free pass. This week, I also stayed there but never visited Irmak.

Anyway, I will post the details before the end of this week.

Aslan Kral

Aslan Kral

03-16-04, 16:42

BunnyHopper;

I spoke with the lady, she mentioned about 3 nearby hotels;

1-) Merit Antiq
2-) Topkapi Eresin
3-) Akgun Hotel

She said, you usually wouldn't need any registration in these hotels.

I asked about other places. She mentioned that there are only a few girls in the nearby restaurants. It is possible to find nice girls, but these places charge more money for drinks and if you take a girl out, they increase tab substantially.

She mentioned that disco section of Irmak is now quite lively, better than before. Most ladies go up there when it is late. This explains why I could find only 5 girls downstairs around 9:30PM on a Friday evening. On the other hand, early Sunday evening, there were more than 15.

She also mentioned about some private houses where the eastern girls are pimped, but wouldn't give an address. She said most of the girls are being sold against their will in those places and she herself narrowly escaped one such place.

Probably many people on this forum already heard about eastern girls being manipulated back home with a promise of a regular job in another country and then forced to prostitution after being shipped to a third country. According to her, this also happens in Turkey and she mentioned about another Hungarian girl she knows, went through a similar deal several years ago.

Aslan Kral

BunnyHopper

03-16-04, 20:05

Aslan,

If i remember correctly, i took one pill per day, for i think three consequetive days. Half a pill for the afternoon/early evening session and another half for the night time session.

Perhaps i was over doing it and didn't need to take the night time half pill. But it was fun anyway and at the end of my stay i was totally exhausted having screwed in the same league as a pornstar !

On each occassion when i took the half pills, i too felt a little giddy after about 15 - 20 mins and that lasted about 5 - 10 mins. I think my face was flushed a little but i felt OK.

I was weary about taking the pill, so i read up about it on other sections in the WSG and this feeling "giddy" felling is normal.

It sounds like security at the Holiday Inn is tightening up. On the very first visit there, there was no signing in and the secondary entrances were all open. On the following visits the secondary doors were locked but still no need to sign in guests - clearly this has now changed.

To get the girls in i didn't need to do anything, just walked straight past reception - perhaps it is just tighter security (which i accept totally given the state of the world today).

The Holiday Inn is reasonably priced, good rooms and hassle free - would recommend it to anyone.

I only went to Nadide once, that was on my first trip to Istanbul, and the Turkish hookers weren't spectacular (but i was offered a cell number for a later outcall) - i saw more nicer regular girls in the bars in Taksim - i think Turkish girls are very pretty !

Given that Istanbul is such a massive city, i am sure that there are upmarket Turkish Girls - only problem is we don't know where :- (

You might also want to take a look at Bacardi, go in (free entry), have a cola and have a look - you don't have to buy just browse !. Of the places on the beaten track that get talked about on the WSG, i think this place easily has the prettiest girls in town.

Anyway have fun !

Ortos

03-16-04, 23:23

Regarding the consumption of viagra by people like us, who don't really have an erectal problem, but just use viagra for, shall we say, "recreational" purposes, it is well known that recreational viagra users often --in fact, habitually-- over medicate. It is true that each body must find it's own equalibrium with the pill, but I have personally found the best results are to use tiny amounts of viagra, like 15 mgs. Often I go viagra-free for the first shot, then pop a 12-15mg sliver of the blue for the second/third pop.

Those who indulge in a full 50mgs, often maintain very strong wood for extended periods of time, but cannot easily acheive orgasm. Also if you take viagra tonight at midnight, the stuff is still in your system the next day. So you don't need to pop more blue right away. Practise going viagra free for the first pop, then go easy on the amount and you will have fewer problems with orgasm. In fact you may flow freely but with great control. Try it, you'll like it.

Kuba Dive

03-17-04, 09:13

I am fairly new to the Istanbul scene but am learning fast thanks to all of the excellent information on the board.

I have been to Nadide twice and had one good experience and one pretty dull one.

The first time I went I was taken into a main reception room with about 10 girls sitting around chatting and drinking tea. I was offered a tea and got a chance to have a look at everything on offer. The standard wasn't very high and nobody seemed to speak English. Eventually I chose a busty dark-haired girl who smiled a lot probaby a 6/7. She spoke a bit of French (as do I) so we managed to strike up a conversation.

After paying at the desk, she took me to the massage room, locked the door and asked me to undress. I got on the massage bench and after a long massage she started to give me a BJ. She was up for kissing and was fine with full sex. The only problem was that it wasn't very comfortable on that narrow massage bench. Still it was all pretty good and I left with a smile on my face.

The second time was completely different. She wasn't there when I went back and this time I chose a skinny blonde (looked like a 7 at first but more like a 5 when you get close). She took me in the room, gave me a massage and kissed a little but she wouldn't do a BJ or have sex. She said something about the police. She took off her top and her knickers but was very mechanical and cold. She gave me a handjob and the whole experience was a bit depressing. I definitely didn't leave with a smile this time.

I don't really feel like going back there again.

Can anyone send any phone numbers of ladies who can show me a better time? It would be much appreciated.

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Next step I will try all the bars I have heard so much about.

Keep up the good work.

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Aslan Kral

03-23-04, 14:40

Folks,

I visited Istanbul for one night and stayed in Akgun Hotel near Aksaray. I called one of my ladies and she did not need to go through registration, directly came to my room. The hotel quality is good enough and a few minutes from Aksaray area by taxi.

We had sex for 5, yes 5 long(1-2 hours each) sessions that started around 1PM and went until modnight with a 3-hours dinner break in a nice restaurant. Needless to say, I used Viagra.

Good part is I was flying from NYC and had arrived in the morning around 11AM. Usually I would need to sleep for a few hours before engaging in any type of activity. My lady sucked and fucked so intensively I could not think about sleeping until midnight.

I have seen other guys taking beatiful chicks to their rooms, hotel does not care about it. If you know the lady beforehand, she can directly come to your room and these ladies usually are stationed nearby.

The price was 71 USD including taxes and breakfast. I booked it using a website, hotelsturkey.com.

According to my lady, there are not too many customers visiting Irmak or similar places at this time of the year. The business is slow and if I visit again I should go up to disco section. She mentioned that a Turkish *****-singer comes to Irmak around 2:30AM most nights and I might buy her, though she could be expensive. She mentioned about other Turkish ladies but did not provide enough detail though I insisted on it. She says I should not hire any Turkish or Romanian girl.

We woke up around 5:30AM, I had to catch a flight, we had some time but I couldn't do anything. A nice, receiving lady nakedly seduces you in the bed, touching and kissing but you can't do anything because of so much sex previous day.

Aslan

Aslan Kral

03-23-04, 15:04

Folks,

I would write a report about my previous visit to Istanbul the week of March 12.

I arrived on Friday evening and left early Monday morning. During 3 nights I had sex with 3 different girls, but 4 different sessions. I liked one of the girls and had her for 2 nights.

On Saturday, I had sex with two different girls, 2 4-hour sessions starting 8PM until like 4AM. It wasn't 2-some and the first girl did not give BBBJ. Both were referred by other girls and I never visited Irmak or any other place this time. The girls were all nice, 7-9 range and committed to long-passionate sex. For all 4 sessions, I used a half-pill of Viagra and felt very dizzy during Saturday. I made a mistake and took 2 half-pills during the same day, a few hours apart. That wasn't necessary.

I got a lot of phone numbers and several more connections, every lady seems to have a best-friend or 2 and recommends if requested.

Ladies came to my hotel and I covered for the taxi fare. As I mentioned in my previous posting, if you stay in a hotel like Akgun Hotel, you just wait in your hotel room because no registration is required. This time, I still stayed in Holiday Inn and had to go through the registration process.

The pricing was reasonable in each case, 120-150 euros for the entire night, including taxi fare.

Now, I might go back early April, but still can not arrange more than 2-3 days. The best would be to stay for a week and have sex with 5-6 different ladies. I guess I would feel somewhat satisfied by then.

Aslan

Hedonist

03-24-04, 02:51

Holiday Inn a little far from Laleli. Can anybody recommend me an acceptable hotel in Laleli area close to action for upto $50/night?

Catalyst

03-24-04, 06:49

Been doing some research here and have found some great info.

But I've been going over maps on the net and I can't figure out where all these great places are. Can anyone help me? I have figured out that they are somewhere not too far west of the Blue Mosque, so I have nailed down the general araea, but what are the large streets or monuments that would mark where the action is? I can't find the Mustapha Cemal (Mustafa Kemal?) street. Does anyone have a map with Serenda Hotel, Irmak, etc ... ? Can anyone give me directions so I don't end up relying on some cab driver who may or may not understand me and may or may not be honest?

Plus, like Hedonist, I'd also be interested in a girl friendly hotel near the action for around $50. Akgun and Eresin look good, but are a little expensive.

Aslan Kral

03-24-04, 17:08

Yes, Akgun Hotel and Topkapi Eresin are both more expensive. After April 1st, Akgun would possibly cost more than $80-90 per night.

There is another Holiday Inn near Aksaray: Holiday Inn Istanbul City. Price seems reasonable.

Anyone stayed there? Any recommendation?

Aslan Kral

Aslan Kral

03-24-04, 17:43

Catalyst;

If you do a search on Google using the expression 'Istanbul Map', you can find quite detailed maps of Istanbul. It is not like mapquest where you can enter the directions, at least I could not find such a one. But, still, it should be quite helpful. I purchased Marco Polo map of Istanbul for about 6-7 euros and I can clearly see the street names in Aksaray and Laleli. I also used the addresses posted in previous messages for Irmak and Seranda.

For directions, if you are coming from Sahil Yolu; turn left on Mustafa Kemal Caddesi, any driver would know. Just tell the driver to go to Laleli via Mustafa Kemal Caddesi. Once the car turns to Mustafa Kemal Caddesi, after a few hundred yards you will come to a traffic light and observe small shops on both sides of the road, and a McDonalds on the left slightly ahead. Leave the taxi at that traffic light. Go up the main road and turn the second right and then turn the first immeadiate left. Irmak is at the beginning of the street, you can't miss it.

You might increase your chance to avoid any potential problem with a taxi driver. For example, if you stay in a hotel, then you can use a taxi arranged by the hotel. There are nearby taxi stations and usually hotel personnel call these taxies for the guests.

Irmak has a few sections, you should go to either Disco section or a small section next to the main restaurant. It depends on the time. Disco opens at 10, and it might be best to go there around 10-11. If you want to go there before 10, then be there around 7-8. I tried it once on Sunday between 7-8 and was able to find 15-20 girls. The timings and availability of the girls might change with the season. Needless to say, weekdays might be better as demand goes down sharply.

Aslan Kral

Aslan Kral

03-24-04, 17:51

I talked to one of my ladies about Holiday Inn Istanbul City. She said it is nearby, relatively new and does not require guest registration. The price for early April is about 56-57USD excluding taxes.

Aslan Kral

LuvumBare

03-24-04, 18:42

I will be in IST during May. Was planning on Renaissance Polat hotel near the airport.
Does anyone have any knowledge about this place?

Girl Friendly?

Any action nearby or in the hotel itself?

How far in Irmak?

Thanks

'Bare

Opium

03-24-04, 21:05

Hi y'all
I don't currently have a map and I too am at a loss in terms of the location those places, notably seranda and bacardi. If you refer to this map:

http://www.euroave.com/maps/01map.php?xcity=istanbul&glj=1006

Irmak is located on the closes street parallel to Mustafa Kemal Caddesi and is sandwiched between Mesih Pasa and Sait Efendi.

As far as hotels go, the lovely Viktoria took me to a hotel which the name evades me as sussing out new places to stay was the furthest thing on my mind. It seemed decent enough and cost about 45US which is likely close to the day rate.

In any event, try and wheel into town early on the day of your travels head to Irmak, make friends with a lovely lady and she'll be your tour guide. May seem to be a bit risky due to lack of having firm travel plans but I'm sure it'll work out.

Catalyst

03-24-04, 21:26

Um, ok - nevermind. I looked at a decent map (instead of the flaky internet map I was using) and I can see that Mustafa Kemal Caddesi is a pretty big and main street in Istanbul.

In case anyone else is having the same problems I did, here are directions to find Mustafa Kemal Caddesi:

Start at the Aya Sofya and go west on the main thoroughfare Divan Yolu, which becomes Ordu Caddesi after about 1/2 mile. After another 1/2 mile or so you get to Akseray Square, where Ordu Caddesi crosses Mustafa Kemal Caddesi (the first major north-south street you get to) and changes name to Millet Caddesi. Mustafa Kemal Caddesi is also called Ataturk Boulevard. North of Akseray Square it passes by city hall and goes through Sarachane Park. The Grand Bazaar is about halfway between it and the Aya Sofya. (Plus now I see CS just this minute posted a good link to a map.)

Also I see that Mesihpasa Caddesi (Irmak) is 1 or 2 blocks south of Akseray Square, and Namik Kemal Caddesi (Seranda Hotel) is 3 blocks to the west.

BunnyHopper

03-24-04, 23:31

Hello All

I have taken the liberty of copying the map that Cupid Stunt found and highlighting it for use here.

Locations are (approximate) to the nearest 10 - 15 metres:

Irmak: Blue Dot

Bacardi Club:Red Dot

Big Pub: Yellow Dot

Serenda Hotel: Green Dot.

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Other Comments:

From Irmak to Bacardi is literally a two minute walk.

Halfway between the Red Dot (Bacardi) and Yellow Dot (Big Pub) is Aksaray Police Station and a McDonalds.

If you start at Mustafa Kemal Cad (big road very busy, lots of hussle bustle) and walk down i believe Hasan Pasa (if there is a police station on the corner, you are on the right road) and keep going for about 3 - 4 minutes cross over the intersecting roads and you'll get to Serenda Hotel and see it on your left. The street is a dead end. This area is a dump (with the shops selling car/motorcycle parts) and during the evening it is dark, but i never felt unsafe walking there at night.

Lots of street walkers hang around by the Yellow Dot (there is a line of public phone boxes & a toilet i think). There is a cafe on the intersection of Mustafa Kemal Cad and Aksaray Cad, were is sat last summer looking at street walkers.

The place i bought the Viagra (Generic) is across the road from the yellow dot, maybe 5 - 10 metres north along Mustafa Kemal Cad (look for a 'Bayer' logo outside and cosmetics, toothpastes...etc in the window).

Catalyst

03-25-04, 04:20

Site Admin,

Bunny Hopper should be recognized (in my humble opinion) as the author of the most useful post on Istanbul ever written on this board. In order to commemorate this momentous occasion I would suggest that his message and attachment remain at the top of the Istanbul thread or otherwise be saved in a prominent area where it can be easily found in a few months time rather than becoming buried under all subsequent posts.

To all others,

So is this area the only place to go in Istanbul? Are there any other sections of the city to check out? Maybe there are some places to try to meet semi-pros or non-pros?

Priamos

03-25-04, 05:41

BunnyHopper,

Very good! Only, I think you'll find Irmak is actually one block closer to Mustapha Kemal Cad. than what you have indicated. I also have a question on your point about SWs: during my visits to Yenikapi I have never come across very many working girls on the streets. True, a few young Turkish girls prowl the upper part of MKC, but as far as I'm concerned that's it. What have I missed? Is there, for example, any particular part of the day one should go?

Vegamars

03-25-04, 22:34

If you're looking for regular places to hook up,you might try Taksim/Beyoðlu area right in the center of town.
Kemancý Bar,Garage,Yaga and James Joyce Irish Bar are worth visiting after 1a.m
The chances of success could be low,but you can never know till you try.

BunnyHopper

03-26-04, 00:38

Priamos

Point noted regarding location of Irmak, you are correct.

I also have one of their business card i got from a waiter. It has a map on the back of the card but that is less clear - i thought about scanning and posting that. The blocks are so small you can't miss it.

I have never loitered around the top end of MKC so never noticed the hookers there - i'll keep my eyes open next time - I am surprised you say they are Turkish bacause all the one i have seen at the bottom end of MKC looked East European to me.

For hookers at the bottom end of MKC, i have been around the area in the afternoon and in the evening and there are lots of them about - so i'd say there is no particluar time to be there.

I posted a picture here last summer called "Aksaray Street Walker 1", I was sitting at the outdoor tables of the restaurant/bar located at the intersection of MKC and Aksaray Cad. It is a typical scene. In the centre of the picture you can see the corner of Langa Cad. Just out of the frame behind the yellow cab, on the right and the other side of the street is Big Pub - another 15 - 20 metres heading right (still on the opposite side of the road), you'd come to Bacardi Club.

On the left of the frame is a tree, many guys were just hanging around there (looking at the girls walk past) cossing the road by the tree you'd come to some trees, say 15 metres to the left. Some girsl there.

The basic point is they don't stand around (like girls in UK for example), these girls are always walking, doing short circuits - they are not too hard to spot.

The way the girl in the red top is dressed is typical i'd say, no mini skirts and fishnets in sight !

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Regarding the map.

It would be good if other readers could add other "Dots" of places they have visited and re-post here: I think 'Cumulative' map would help us all.

(Save the picture to your hard disk, edit and then re-post it)

Priamos

03-26-04, 06:44

BunnyHopper,

Duly noted. My favorite haunt is the area immediately west of Mustapha Kemal Cad., and that's a bit of a minefield with, I'd say, 60 per cent rip-off traps and 40 per cent "honest" places. I will gladly add a couple of hot tips to your map, AS SOON AS I come back from Istanbul in three weeks' time. My present problem is, I've never bothered to take a note of the names of places I could easily locate in situ. I could therefore add six or seven points to the map even today, but I'd be at a loss regarding their names.

No, let's do it properly: I'll come back from Turkey with enough dots to fill the space between Bacardi and Seranda. That's a promise!

Lux74

03-26-04, 14:52

Can anyone tell me more about Istanbul's general houses called GENELEV. Which one is the best, and where can I find them.

I've heard that general houses are not so good, and there are many ugly and older girls, but still it can be found young and pretty. Is it true?

Can non turkish enter there, or it's for turks only?

Are there other types of brothels, 'couse i'm not intrested in streetwalkers, or rip offf girls from night clubs where u have to leave houndrets of dollars ,only for drinks before you go with girl in the room.

thanx

Connect 28

03-27-04, 00:26

As a foreigner you don't wanna go to Genelev, unless you have a very strong stomach. Just go to Irmak or Seranda with limited money you will get decent quality girls. The place where the genelev ids called Karakoy and the street name is Zurafa Sokak, but it is not worth the hassle. Trust me.

Priamos

03-27-04, 05:25

Lux74,

Connect28 already gave you the address, and I totally agree with him: not worth it! However, if you want to have a look, its very close to the famous Galata tower. Walk from the tower down the increadily steep street toward the Golden Horn (there are two main roads from there - the other one leads to the Taksim). Zurafa Sokak is a short parallel street on your left.

On the issue of "Turks only", the formal answer is yes, no foreigners allowed. The pragmatic answer is, it depends. The entrance is guarded and if there are several policemen hanging around, they'll normally enforce the law for fear of their colleagues. However, if there's only man he may be "persuadable" by means of a little bakshish. I've been there twice. The first time I was turned back, the second time a 10 euros note bought me access. But, again, it wasn't worth it, except perhaps for curiosity value.

Big Bro AJ

03-27-04, 16:46

Unfortunately there are no brothels like in Nevada or Houston,TX.

I've never forget the great times at Chicken Ranch and Bunny Ranch.

"Genelev's" are very low profile places to have sex. It's a clear and present danger for your health. As a foreigner stay away from those places. Waste of time and money.

Irmak, Seranda and Bacardi are the best places to find eastern european girls to spent joyfull and sinful moments; all three places at Mustafa Kemal Street-Aksaray.
$50-$100 for two hours, $200 all night long; prices are various one girl to another

Seranda is a bar-club, you pick the girls while they are dancing. If you deal, then you take her to the clubs hotel(Hotel Seranda).

Irmak is a resturant-bar-disco mixure, you can talk with the girls, if you deal then take her to your place.

Bacardi is the top spot. Girls gone cost you around $200 for all night long, plus $50 expenses at the club.

It's summer time in Istanbul, as a foreigner you have a change to find freebies(college girls and young women) at the bars around Taksim,Etiler and Bosphorus.

Ortos

03-27-04, 18:46

Hi Big Bro AJ,

Very informative, thanks.

A question a bit off topic though, if you please:

I notice on another section dealing with Cyprus that one of your posts was deleted by the Admin. What on earth did you write that was so offensive to warrant deletion? Who did you attack? You seem to have informative and important things to say, so I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to read it before they deleted it.

What did you write?

Inostranets

03-28-04, 00:55

I paid a visit to Irmak earlier on this week, half out of boredom really. Was about 3pm on a weekday so didnt expect much to be going on. As the weather was nice the past week, 20c+ and clear, the chairs were set up outside though at first I sat inside. Were quite a few girls, maybe a total of 10, although some seemed more interested in chatting to each other than anything else. They were all darkish looking, no blondes, and the ones that were talking were doing so in what i guess was romanian. After about an hour I got bored and went outside where a lone russian was sitting. I chatted to her for quite a long time in russian. She told me that all the girls inside were either moldovan or romanians pretending to be moldovan. This goes against what I had read ages ago about a no romanian policy, maybe business is slow at this time of the year? Needless to say I have a preconception that such girls are dirtier than russians and ukrainians so struck a deal with the russian outside. $60 for 2 hours, was alright as we chatted for quite a lot longer anyhow.

As for picking up turkish girls, you would do very well to find a one night stand. Girls in Istanbul are not that impressed simply by the fact that a foreigner is such, as there are so many tourists here at all times of the year, and if you appear like a tourist then your chances are virtually nonexistent. As I have never gone out looking to pull in Istanbul i cant be too certain of my probabilities, however judging from what I see when out with friends, the chances are very low, many places wont even let guys in without a female in the group. That said if you want to try then just check out the sidestreets off Istiklal, or for more stylish places (ie. better looking but possibly stuck up snobby girls) in the summer the clubs down in ortakoy or some of the trendy bars near in levent/etiler.

Vegamars

03-28-04, 20:12

Your chances as a tourist to hang out with Turkish girls are quite higher,but it's a complete waste of time to monger with a bunch of ugly idiots who think they are unreachable.
Instead you can try to seek regulars from almost every country if you know the right places and occasions.

Zinger Burger

03-28-04, 21:07

I agree with Vegamars. If you dress nicely and are fairly good looking, opportunities exists to hook with regular turkish babes.

I would recommend Kemanci, Mojos, Hayat Kahvesi (diagonally opp to Mojos) to pick up regular turkish girls. The chances are few however they do exists. I did hooked on to an babe at Hayat Kahvesi that too being an brown asian :-)

Aslan Kral

03-30-04, 17:28

Returned back from another 3-days trip and wanted to share some information.

1-) Regarding Turkish hookers, some ladies mentioned about Ugur Disco, where 2 working Turkish girls visit on a regular basis. My understanding is that it should be close to Big Pub, same side on the Mustafa Kemal Caddesi. I will possibly try one of these ladies on my next visit. Someone else will arrange it and send it to my hotel. They also mentioned that this is a relatively small disco, never been there myself.

There is a girl from Azerbaycan who speaks fluent Turkish, but I would possibly give her 5 out of ten, she is very much like Turkish, I mean it is hard to describe the difference. I might be able to get her phone number, though no guarantees. Please send me a private message.

One lady mentioned about Hisar Gazinosu around Istiklal Caddesi. She had worked there before and there are now 3 Turkish girls working on a regular basis. As far as I understood, they are good quality and very hot. However, it would cost several hundred million Turkish liras to go there and stay for some time in the casino to pick them up. Standard con scheme works in most casinos around that area. So, the best way is to go there and without sitting talk to the manager and arrange one of the Turkish girls. According to her, this is possible with one condition, you take the girl to a hotel that the casino has an agreement with. For a few hours, she would estimate the overall cost around 400M Turkish liras, about 300USD. She said this is possibly too much, I mean you can get a cheaper deal in Aksaray, but these girls are good, again according to her. She offered to go there together, may be I will. I pushed a little bit to get the phone numbers but did not get them yet. I would love to have sex with a hot Turkish girl for $150-200 a night.

2-) I stayed in Topkapi Eresin, 73.5 USD per night including taxes and breakfast. I would rate it as a true 4-start hotel, better than Akgun(3-star) or Holiday Inn(3-star). During April, it seems the price is going to be similar. Just go to www.goldentulip.com and make a reservation. Price is slightly higher, but you don't need registration for the girls, close to Aksaray (5-6 minutes by taxi), and nice enough. The girl can directly come to your room without any questions.

3-) Some of the girls agreed to share their phone numbers in this forum so I will post them. There are 2 Hungarian ladies I had mentioned earlier. They don't speak good English, but you might be able to communicate well. The second one worked in Europe and should be able speak Spanish.

0 535 315 7711
0 535 516 9295

Once you call, just mention that you got the number from internet. If agreed, they might come to your room directly.

In terms of appearance, I would rate one of them as 8 and the other one as 6. But the second one plays very aggressively in bed. I would possibly rate playing/fucking quality as 8-9. You will possibly get a true BJ(or BBBJ), she is a PRO. Of course, this is difficult to guarantee, she might play completely different with you.

The ages are 30 and 28, heights 1.70 and 1.67, respectively. One is plain brunette and other one is slightly darker and slightly overweight, possibly have some Gypsy background. I mean I didn't ask direct questions about the background for the second lady.

You can have a 2-some, and I myself plan to have such an experience during next visit. They offered to do it last day before my departure, but was truly tired, having fucked four different women previous day, thanks to aggressive plays and 25 mg of Viagra. Two of the women completely sucked me out.

4-) There is an easy way of getting Viagra, in the airport. After you go through the customs, you will come to the waiting area. Just turn right and at the end, there are shops on the left. There is a pharmacy which sells Viagra, 25, 50 or 100 mg tablets by Pfizer. I bought two 50mg packs for 63.5M Turkish liras each, slightly cheaper than what I had paid in Aksaray a few weeks ago. They don't ask for a prescription.

5-) I want to provide an interesting statistic. A few months ago, police raided our popular joints and collected 150 girls, almost all of them being foreigners. These girls had to stay in a hospital for a night after the tests. Here are the results;

3 Moldavian girls with AIDS
7 girls with Frengi
1 girls with bel soguklugu (I don't know its English, can't just remember)

One of my ladies had talked to them before they got deported. It turns out that these Moldovian girls had visited the same abortion clinic in Moldavia and they seriously suspect that they got it there. Anyway, these gals fuck Turkish men without using condoms. I am not saying that just Moldovian girls are dangerous, I don't know why Moldavians would be different from Ukrainians or Russians in this respect.

Anyway, AIDS is a reality, even in a relatively closed country like Turkey. Most of the men visiting Aksaray area, according to the girls, are married and possibly fucking their own wives on a regular basis, spreading the disease. The state is just trying to prevent this and not forcing the law to deport all foreign prostitutes. If the girl turns out to be clean, she is released and can go back to Irmak.

There was another raid just on Irmak a few weeks ago, the police collected 17 girls. The tests indicated that all of them were clean.

Girls are claiming that most of the ladies in Irmak use condoms. My experience shows otherwise. After some sex, they are willing to take it out. I would say, 1 out of 5 is using under all circumstances, 2 out of 5 are using it depending on the guy, 2 out of 5 don't have the notion of using a condom.

One of my ladies mentioned that a girl can consistently avoid police raids to go undetected. Consider this, a girl knows that she is infected, and still comes to Turkey and try very hard to be undetected. Most girls I talked want to avoid the police because of money, because they lose at least 1 full night. On the other hand, they said the hospital is usually good, food and a nice bed is provided and police officers usually don't treat them badly. They also get reliable test results.

6-) Many ladies have Turkish boyfriends. I mean serious relationships, not just regular visits to have sex. A few of the girls got married to Turkish men and left the business.
Some of the girls I had sex with are staying in apartments where the boyfriends are paying the rent. In this arrangement, boyfriend handles food and room, have free sex from time-to-time and lets the girl make money in places like Irmak.

During slow seasons, it is possible to completely rent a girl for 1000-1500USD for a month. Certainly, there would be additional costs around room and boarding. A girl can make a lot of money but there is also cost.

7-) Nearby restaurants don’t have as many ladies as Irmak and some girls from Irmak are being called up by managers and waiters of these restaurants when a horny customer shows up. The major difference is that these restaurants have arrangements with nearby hotels and make the customer go to these arranged hotels and get a share. So, the customer ends up paying 40M for a hotel which is worth 20M. According to some girls, these hotels are very dirty and are raided by police more often and girls don’t want to go there. At Irmak, there is no such condition and girl can make a selection for a better hotel if the customer agrees. For 50M a night, there are reasonable hotels like Grand Tasciyan, if I’m writing it correctly.

Aslan Kral

Aslan Kral

03-31-04, 14:44

Inostranets,

You can find girls from many countries at Irmak. I met Romanian, Russian, Moldavian, Bulgarian, Hungarian, Ukrainian and even Azerbajcani girls at Irmak. I would expect girls from Georgia and Armenia as well, but never met with such. There are girls from as north as St. Petersburg. However, no Turkish girls there. Ladies mentioned that a Turkish pro-singer comes to disco section after 2-2:30AM on most days. She seems like a singer, but in fact an expensive pro. Her name is Arzu.

Some girls never sit at the restaurant or smaller section next to it. They come as late as 1AM and go up to disco section.

Aslan Kral

k__rat

03-31-04, 21:34

Hi all,

I'm a white American guy going to Istanbul in early May for about a week (work work work). I think I will be staying in a pretty posh hotel in Taksim (Marmara?). I have yet to come up with a decent map to see how it relates to the places listed in the forum (e.g. Irmak and such). I'll be busy until fairly late every night, so I won't be able to wander around during the day.

I'd appreciate any info about the area around Taksim - is this close to the areas discussed recently in the forum? Any good agencies that can supply beautiful women who speak at least some English would be good to know as well - I won't have time to really search and will probably have to just "order in". Am I likely to have luck scoring in the bars of the nice hotels?

TIA for PMs or replies to the board. I'll give a report when I get back ;)

Inostranets

03-31-04, 23:17

Interesting and informative report Aslan. It is true about the aids situation in Turkey, i'm convinced it is more prevalent than is it is reported to be, although nothing serious. However I certainly wouldnt have sex with an aksary girl without a rubber (and my own at that). The phenomenon of girls marry turks is interesting, I know of one girl who has done so and has a turkish passport and everything, it must genuinely be for love as ex ussr can enter turkey upon simply paying a fee like westerners, and one would even think that working in such a field and having turkish papers might even cause a problem when encountering the cops, maybe not. Though I can't see any advantage in having them.

To any vets. of the Irmak scene, when does it start hotting up, as right now seems quite attrocious? Prefer blondes right now none at all it seems.

Aslan Kral

04-01-04, 08:49

Inostranets,

As far as I understand, police collects all ladies in such places regardless of citizenship. If a foreign pro has Turkish citizenship, it doesn't help, as it wouldn't help regular Turkish pros.

Again, my understanding is that prostitution outside of Genelevs is illegal, Turkish or foreigner. For example, the state can't get any income from these activities as no one submits any tax forms or these foreigners don't have any work permit in Turkey. However, the police does not force the law on Aksaray girls or shemales around Taksim area. The major goal is just to make sure that sick girls are identified as soon as possible and deported.

Regarding Irmak scene, I had seen about 15-20 girls in the smaller section when I visited on a Sunday evening between 7-8PM. Most of them were waiting for the disco section to open.

I myself don't prefer a blonde, but you could try other places like Seranda, Big Pub and Bacardi. BunnyHopper had provided a map for the locations 1-2 weeks ago. For Irmak, go there after 8 and may be even try disco section after 11. I was there three times, and Sunday evening was the best.

Anyway, I will ask for a blonde, but can you give me more info about a 'blonde' that you are looking for? For instance, how much 'blonde' she should be?

Aslan Kral

Vegamars

04-01-04, 21:45

The truth is that the girls who don't have Turkish citizenship have a higher chance of being collected by the police and a very low chance of being able to come back without being deported.Moreover,they can stay as long as they wish as compared to the max visa peirod of 2months for the non-citizens,so most are willing to pay a couple of thousand dollars for the papers.It's also evident that the police can never enter or interfere with the top clubs like Bacardi.
There's nothing easier than finding blondes in Istanbul.The best time to search for the best girls for all places including Irmak and Bacardi is between 10p.m and 1a.m on Wednesday,Friday and Saturday.

Connect 28

04-01-04, 23:00

K_rat,

Taksim is 10 min. cab ride to Aksaray. There are several night clubs and bars around Taksim, but with 90% probability you will get ripped off in those palces. Just take a cab and go to Aksaray and if you want to spend around US$200 go to Bacardi, if you want to spend less go to Irmak.

Good luck

Inostranets

04-01-04, 23:42

Personally I prefer dirty blondes (hair colour that is) or just plain natural, none of those peroxide jobs that seem popular with the devushki, if you know of or could find a blonde russian/ukrainian with a number that'd be great. Maybe I'll check out Irmak in a week or two, granted when I have been around that area it was always during the daylight hours and thus choice is probably severely limited. Although I wouldnt been too inclined to lurk around aksaray alone after dark, maybe it is not as bad as I imagine.

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Catalyst

04-02-04, 05:30

So 22:00 to 1:00 is the best time to look for action, but what are other times like? Is there any point in looking during the afternoon, or into the wee hours? (Are the wee hours safe?) Suppose you want to see a few girls in one night - can you get started at 18:00 or 20:00? Or maybe it is more cost effective to find someone for the whole night and convince her to spend a lot of time relaxing in your hotel room.

Connect 28

04-03-04, 19:42

Catalyst,

There is action although it is limited from lunch time onwards at Irmak.

cheers,

connect

Aslan Kral

04-07-04, 13:40

Mongers;

I had posted 2 phone numbers for Hungarian ladies a few days ago. Apparently, they received several calls because of that and connected with a few people in respected hotels.

I should point out that, initially, they only come to an hotel. Later, you can convince them to come to a house. Second, you can do a negotiation with the first one only, if you want to have a 2-some.

Third, they will not be available until the end of the month because of Easter holidays. Most of the gals are returning back to their countries for 2-3 weeks. They will still be expecting calls after that.

I was in Istanbul over the weekend and will post the details soon.

Aslan Kral

Aslan Kral

04-07-04, 14:40

I visited Istanbul for 4 days and had sex with several girls, including 2 separate 2-somes.

Stayed in Holiday Inn Istanbul City, slightly cheaper than Topkapi Eresin, but considerably inferior. Registration is a must. They even follow the girl to the elevator and get an identification card. I wouldn't recommend this hotel, instead arrange a room in Topkapi Eresin, still 73.5USD per night inclusive of tax and breakfast.

Friday evening, had a 3-hours 2-some session with Hungarian ladies, but was not satisfied. Taller girl didn't participate actively in a group sex environment. Aggressive one sucked me out, but I always felt that they were somehow reserved in bed when the other gal is around. For example, aggressive one sucked me out quite aggressively in bathroom while showering, but wouldn't provide the same quality in bed when the other one is watching. I always felt that she would allow me to finger her asshole, but wouldn't do it because of other gal. Other problems, they didn't suck my dick together. Fucking required not only a condom change but additional cleaning in bathroom when I changed the girl to fuck. There were still nice moments, fucking one gal, and other gal is foreplaying with you, you touch 2 girls, put their asses side by side, suck them out, etc. I would rate the overall experience 6 out of 10, but I might have had higher expectations. We continued to have sex with the taller one after wards, but I could not still finish.

Saturday, I had sex with a Turkish girl and finished twice. This was my first Turkish pro in my life, so even though I would rate the girl 6 out of ten, I was satisfied at the end. Short brunette, small boobs, but awesome ass which helped me to finish twice within 3 hours, which is now very rare.

One of my previous ladies arranged this gal, who works with phone contacts and referrals only. She mentioned about a contact point and several Turkish gals working under the contact point, but wouldn't give me a phone number. Boy! I would even offer her money to get the number, but didn't ask. At some point, I asked if she could arrange another Turkish gal, but she said no. I guess she wants to make some money before I hop into another girl.

Sunday was the most active and I fucked 5 different gals; 2 Hungarians, One Romanian, One Ukrainian and One Turkish. I felt very tired at the end. I started the day with the Romanian we had sex last week. Then aggressive Hungarian followed. During the experience, I learned that these two ladies would give me a true 2-some experience, so scheduled them for the next day. Then I had a 2-hour session with a new girl, an Ukrainian arranged by another gal. She was quite OK, but couldn't finish. This gal didn't give me a phone number, I could only arrange her calling the other gal who referred this girl. She told me, she was living with a boyfriend who doesn't know that she is in this business and wouldn't take a risk giving her number to customers. We used condom during the entire session(as always), but at some point my penis was touching her pussy without a condom and she didn't show any sign of disapproval. I guess I could fuck her without a condom. Too risky, I will post some government stats and you will realize how dangerous to fuck these gals without a condom. Anyway, she told me she only has sex with her boyfriend without any protection and that was an obvious lie. Very slight penetration would make me fuck her without a condom and she didn't seem bothered. Definetely, I would not want to be the boyfriend, if she is telling me the truth about that part.

I banged the Ukrainian lady for about 2-hours and couldn't finish so I called the Turkish lady. I was sure her ass would help me to finish quickly and it happened as expected. I fucked her ass for about 30 minutes and I was done. I mean, she is not pretty, but great ass for sex.

Later in the night, I called my Hungarian lady and fucked her for hours. That was pretty good, passionate sex at different positions.

Monday morning, after I fucked my Hungarian lady, dismissed her and called the Romanian girl for a 2-some. They came around 5PM, and ordered champagne. When the room service guy entered the room, he seemed slightly puzzled, not shocked, to see one guy and two girls together, apparently before sex. I mean we were not naked, but gals seemed like pros and I am sure he quickly figured that out. Reception guy downstairs was always aware of who is going in and out, and I am sure he might have thought of calling the police if I am in the pimping business. He knew I had sex with 5 gals previous day.

Anyway, after the champagne we started kissing and that was a true 2-some. They sucked me together and were not reserved in any way in bed when the other gal was watching. In fact, they even kissed each other, quite passionately, kissing everywhere except sucking. I mean you see two gals, one is sucking you, and other gal is sucking the nipples of the other gal. Wow! That was like a porn movie and I tought champagne helped them a lot. I asked them if they were lesbos, they said no, but would't mind foreplaying together with another man. They love this type of group sex and did it in a 2-men/2-gals situation. They say, that's the best, because you see another couple is having sex next to you. They even joked that we should offer it to the room service guy. Ha ha ha, order something and lure the guy into bed. They say, Turkish guys are very hungry for sex, finding additional 'yarrak' (a slang for penis) is no problem in Turkey.
I fuck them for 3-hours, we joke and talk most of the time. I can't concentrate to finish. I mean, you are fucking one gal, and joking with the other gal, no way to finish it mentally. Most of the time, I lay down and they do the sucking and fucking. If you need the phone numbers, send me a private message. You can arrange a 2-some session in a hotel room, but they won't be available until the end of the month.

I would rate the Romanian lady as 6, she has nice ass but older, like 35. She gives a true BBBJ, covers the most, sometimes all of the penis. I wouldn't buy her alone but together with the Hungarian. Then everything changes because they truly engage in sex and give you very good sucking/fucking.

Later I had a very good session with other Hungarian lady for hours. In the morning I had to leave for the airport. Now most of the ladies were also leaving this week because of Easter holidays. But they should be soon before the end of the month.

Aslan Kral

Aslan Kral

04-07-04, 22:33

I would like to provide some government stats I had seen in a newspaper few days ago. These stats show how many girls have been deported during 2003 and how many of them had STDs. It doesn't say what type of STDs the pros have, but for some countries the ratio is quite high;

Country # STDs # PROs Total # dep STD Ratio

Azerbajcan 28 262 290 %9.6
Germany 0 1 1
Belarussia 1 17 18
Bulgaria 6 16 22 %27.2
Armenia 2 11 13
Georgia 37 206 243 %15.2
Iraq 1 11 12
Kazakistan 1 16 17
Kirgizistan 7 47 54 %12.9
Moldavia 104 354 458 %22.7
Uzbekistan 20 63 83 %24.1
Romania 24 38 62 %38.7
Russia 29 235 264 %11.0
Turkmenistan 12 3 15
Ukraine 65 258 323 %20.1
Uruguay 1 16 17
Serbia 0 2 2

Total 338 1556 1894

Overall STD/deported ratio is around 17.8%. This might be misleading as girls with Turkish ID cards should not be deported.

According to ratios above, Romanians are the worst. Gals from Ukraine, Moldavia and Bulgaria have somewhat similar ratios. Russians seem safer compared to other countries.

Aslan Kral

Local Expert

04-09-04, 08:48

wow, we got 17 chicks from uruguay here ???? where do they hang around ?
Aslan Kral.... very nice and informative reports !

CityDude

04-09-04, 09:22

The numbers for Moldavia are surprising - Anyway these Natashas are getting to be a bit sloppy aren't they :)

Novice

04-14-04, 14:11

Hi Everybody,

I have been following the excellent posts by Aslan Kral with pleasure. I hope to check out this Hisar Gazino place soon. Meanwhile, i have recently used a hotel called Grand Asiyan near the Irmak Restaurant area and its cleanliness was rather impressive. Its phone number is as follows: 212 518 6290. I am pretty sure there may be a group of high quality girls working at the more luxurious hotels near the Taksim area, but our group has no access there.

I want to know what became of this Kemerburgaz Hotel like place where somebody from the group once went and stayed overnight and it was a great location as per the description. Any follow up on this lead?

Bye for now

Priamos

04-15-04, 19:08

Dear all,

I'm making good on a promise made to BunnyHopper a few weeks back: here is a more detailed map of the places of entertainment in the larger Yenikapi area of Istanbul. Please note that while I have not included places that I hold to be pure tourist traps, the waiters in some of these bars/clubs/discos are a bit too smart.

Green: Irmak. No further introduction needed.

Blue: Big Pub. A bit seedy, but honest. Girls congregate there from late afternoon. Next to Big Pub in a basement is Ogur Tur. Their action starts a couple of hours earlier, but they have fewer girls and are a bit on the tricky side.

Violet: Bacardi. No further introduction needed.

Red: Ozkan Akgunler. Very seedy, rather tricky, but sometimes offers good-lookers on the bargain rack. Opens early. Surrounded by a few night-time discos which I haven't sampled.

Yellow: Gold Can. My personal favourite. Slightly seedy but honest. Good selection of girls from mid-afternoon. Girls get a bit picky in the evening, as some local bigwigs use it as their haunt.

Orange: Sultan Club. Opens early evening. Clean, correct service and a good selection of girls. Next to SC is Kent Club; more of a classic Turkish music hall, but also with girls.

Azur: Imparator and Cakmak. Classic Aksaray late-night discos with girls around the dancing floor. Didn't sample them specifically; they are arch typical of half a dozen of similar places between their street corner and Serenda.

Black: Serenda. No further introduction needed.

Priamos

04-16-04, 21:29

BunnyHopper,

I'm a bit sad that the pic facility has been disabled (I do not for one second believe in the "Chinese link" story), for I had been looking forward to sharing my updated map of the larger Yenikapi area with you.

Well, too bad. I returned from Istanbul yesterday afternoon. I shall spare you any graphic stories about my exploits, but I would like to share a few words of advice with my fellow mongers. First, one should perhaps not (as I did) visit this town during the Easter week. With the seaside resort full of German and English tourists, the bars and discos of Istanbul are low on "talent" because most of the lookers have commuted to Antalya. I found the scene dominated by Uzbek and Kazakh girls -- no offense but they are rarely my first choice. It was also difficult to find a LT service, even when one offered a handsome tip on top of the usual price. This makes little sense from the viewpoint of the working girls who should be willing to agree to any length of contract if the money is right, so I assume it is due to the pressure of bar owners who would be loath to see their showrooms half empty.

I have also looked into the issue of the streetwalkers on Mustapha Kemal street, which intrigued both of us. Apparently the action evolves around a few streets on the left of MK as one walks toward the sea -- in fact the last streets before the railway crossing. Sometimes the girls stray out on the main street (but not too much: they are mostly illegal immigrants) and walk up and down, but it is in the crooked streets around these blocks that they are a fixture. As far as I could make our they are mostly from the southern Balkans (this may also explain why you took them for Russians, and I for Turks). There are also several clandestine brothels in the neighbourhood: I was hanging out there for a couple of hours one afternoon and every now and then an overdressed Slav-looking girl on high heels would disappear into one of those dilapidated residental blocks in which she most definitely did not live.

BUT... this neighbourhood is probably not for us. I took a chance on a Yugoslavian (???) SW and she pulled a complete rip-off on me. Fair enough, these things happen, but unlike most other places I know the locals immediately closed ranks around HER (don't get me wrong: I wasn't aggressive or anything) against ME the outsider. Also, the tricks she was playing were so crude that she would be out of business in a week if the tried them too often. No... no, these girls are there to service the locals at an affordable price and if wealthy Caucasians, such as I, venture into this playground of the common man then we'll get a maximum heat and a minimum sympathy. It's like Whitechapel 1904 and Bronx 1984.

BunnyHopper

04-21-04, 22:47

Priamos

The picture service is back up and I have had a look at the map. Your map is great and I guess will be a WSG equivalent to a Lonely Plant Guide :-) and I am sure many will find it useful.

If others add to this we can now start to put together The Definitive "Cumulative Map" of Istanbul.

Irmak, Bacardi, Serenda are well documented, lets build up a picture in our minds eye of these other places you've listed.

Aksaray is full of these sort of places, but when I walk around there at night (usually alone too) I have always tried to walk with purpose and not look like a lost randy tourist and so couldn't casually stroll down the street looking through windows - but if i was out with a fellow monger or two, I would feel that I could take the time to look a little too.

The SW's are interesting to watch when you have some time to kill, the girl doing circuits with the shopping bags last summer really made me laugh, but i can't imagine that i'd ever pick one up, the activity that i saw were far too open for me and my lack of Turkish language skills to close a deal quickly in public are a let definite let down - I don't fancy being the centre of attention in the street in Aksaray.

I have no plans to visit Turkey at the moment, I have been indulging my hobby locally - but sitting here, writing this, my mind is drifting.... ;-)

I think Autumn may the best time for the next trip there.

Priamos

04-22-04, 04:35

BunnyHopper,

I see what you mean, but in my experience being at the centre of attention in Yenikapi exposes you to little more than obtrusive touting. (Plus, a couple of ****heads once tried the fake-fight routine in order to pick my pockets. They failed...) I have never felt physically threatened.

But there are threats and there are threats. I don't want to be a spoilsport, but I have to agree with AslanKral on one point: these days there's a veritable Chlamydia pandemic in the neighbourhood. My hotel receptionist and a local waiter, both of whom having fathomed that I like to go to this part of town at night, voiced stern warnings about this. The waiter, with whom I struck up a reserved friendship, was aware of the data Aslan quoted (apparently they've been widely quoted in Istanbul) and contended that if anything they are an understatement. The girls in that study who got themselves deported have generally worked in "private establishments", where certain house rules apply. The privateers of Yenikapi do whatever they feel like. The latter are an exclusive club with a few hundred members, and most of them are incredibly irresponsible (I sampled five girls in one week; one of them insisted on protection; one flatly refused; three said it was for me to decide.) so you can just imagine.

Responding to your question about concrete places, a few words about Gold Can. As indicated earlier I am an "early bird" who doesn't like to be awake after midnight, so I do most of my mongering in the late afternoon or early evening. This makes GC ideal: it begins to fill up with hostesses and patrons around 3 p.m. It's a classic smoke-filled Muzikhol with live music most of the evenings. The bar tap for a drink and a few salted nuts (the de facto cover charge) sets you back 10 mill. TRL (7 bucks) and a lady drink costs an additional 10-20 mill. TRL according to the waiter's moods. On a normal afternoon/early evening the room is at least half full, with about 1/3 working girls and 2/3 patrons. Since many of the latter are on the voyeuring rather than the punting side the girls/guys ratio is quite satisfactory.

The girls reserve the right of refuse: there are sometimes a few stunners who only give second looks to local tycoons known to pay top prices for a 12 hour-service, and maybe some of the others just don't like the way you look. The way to choose is this: within the first 5-10 minutes of sitting down look at each single girl individually. If she's available she'll gaze back with a positive interest. Same thing applies when a new girl enters the room (they walk in and out all the time) - just ogle her and see if she responds. Naturally, you're not expected to pick one during the first 10 minutes. Turks like to take their time and you should do likewise. After the initial starting contest the girls will pretend to lose interest, but now that you know who is looking for your custom its easy: once you've decided, just catch the eyes of your chosen one and gesticulate through the room that you'd like her to sit next to you. Warning: less than half of the girls speak English.

The action usually takes place in a hotel less than two blocks away from the club, which specialises in these things (there are quite a few of those). Unlike what one might expect, the hotels are clean and modern and you'll need your passport to check in. The bellboy will sometimes to extract a small bakshish by offering to sell you a drink or provide preservatives. In some of the places the girls are expected to back his effort as part of their arrangement with hotel. This is an annoying little hassle, but not very expensive. Count 50 euros for the girl (two hours), 30 euros for the hotel plus 10 euros for unforeseen expenses.

Finally, many bona fide tourist hotels in Istanbul are guest friendly, but not all girls will be willing to go to your hotel. - It helps if its so late in the evening that you're likely to be her last, or only, client.

Cohiba Guy

04-27-04, 16:15

Hi All!

I will be visiting Gocek/Fethiye area soon and I know that this is not the appropriate forum for this but the other areas forum has so little traffic that I am afraid I won't have anyone read this. I will be there early May, before the real tourist season begins.

Where can I go for some action? Any CIS girls around there?

Thanks in advance!

Catalyst

05-01-04, 18:22

aksaray. so this, this is what all the chatter is about?! this is a catastrophe! turkey would make a great comedy skit about everything that spoils the hobby.

everything in aksaray is controlled and ruined by an obnoxious mafia. they stand between you and the girls and do everything in their power to extract the maximum toll form you in exchange for access. they breed a culture of lying and leeching such that no matter what you are willing to pay you may not get what you are after.

the hassle starts even before you get to one of the streets where the action is. men who see where you are going call out to you, say “excuse me, where are you from?” and start to follow you. if you refuse to engage them in conversation they get angry. perhaps their job is to guide you to a particular club, perhaps it is just to hustle you; i never let them waste enough of my time for me to find out.

every club has hawkers at the entrance. if you walk towards a club or even simply look at it they will come out to greet you and block your path. they will take you by the shoulder, address you as their “friend”, and guide you inside where you will be handed off to various men of increasing seniority whose job it is to guide you to a seat and make you feel committed.

there are two general venues - discos and restaurants – which are more or less the same. restaurants are on the first floor and have an associated disco either upstairs or downstairs. restaurants are open during the day and at night the discos open and the restaurant girls go to the discos.

in both places the girls sit at tables in small groups rep001tered about a room. when you enter you are expected to take a seat and order a drink, although you can first make a loop around the room to take a look at the girls if you ask. even during the day it is hard to get a good look at the girls with one pass and once you sit down some of them will be out of view. at night it can be impossible to see many of them, and some clubs have u-shaped rooms or even have two levels with the girls divided between more than one space. i suppose you could take more walks around the room, but you will be conspicuous if you do and i wouldn’t want to leave my drink unattended.

want to get a better look at a girl? want to know how much it will cost you to spend some time with her? just wave to her or let a waiter know you are interested in her and she will come to your table. she will be followed by a waiter who will take your drink order.

drinks you order for yourself will usually cost you about 10 million lire ($1 = 1,300,000 lire). when you enter the club you will be told that they cost 1 million or maybe 3 or 4 million. but this, like everything else you are told in most clubs, is a huge lie. in many places your drink really does cost 4 million or so, but it will come with some amenity such as a plate of peanuts which costs maybe an extra 5 million. if you ask how much the peanuts cost you may be told that this is “normal disco service” or that there is “just one price for everything”. every effort is made to deny you information about anything. naturally the full potential of the language barrier is exploited.

drinks you order for the girl will cost much more. in some places it is impossible to find out what the pricing structure is. bacardi and irmak were somewhat straightforward. in bacardi her drinks cost 25 million. in irmak it depends what she orders; there is a menu with prices ranging roughly from 10 million to 15 million and perhaps you could try to veto a more expensive drink order. some other discos told me that there is one fixed price of $50 for food and drinks for the both of you. probably this would not include the drinks you had already ordered before inviting a girl to your table, but i never threw away such a large sum to find out. learning prices always required asking several times and then waiting for the request to be passed up the chain of command until it reached a manager who had the authority to divulge such sensitive information. i was told that food and drink prices are lower in the restaurants than in the discos, so going during the day might be more economical than going at night, but i never verified this.

buying a girl a drink guarantees you nothing. if she quotes you a high price, doesn’t look so good close up, has a bad attitude, etc... you have blown $20-50. when she quotes you a price she is of course well aware that you have already spent money just to talk to her and probably don’t want to throw it away and start over, so this tilts the pricing game heavily against you.

finally the girls. if you like fat 30-ish russian chicks with huge perms then istanbul is the place for you. everyone else should run away. to be fair there are some good looking ones, mostly in bacardi, and there are even a couple of real stunners. but most clubs had at most 1 or 2 who were possibilities, many did not have a single girl who looked interesting, and the few stunners i spoke to all wanted $200. pretty much everything i was told here was a huge lie, so when a girl says she will spend all night with you make sure you have a good book with you just in case.

the first place i visited was bacardi. i got there at 8:30 on a friday and it was a little dead, so they told me i should come back in a couple of hours which i did. there are two unique things about bacardi. first there is a large dance floor, and the girls all took turns dancing so this was the only club i saw where you could get a good look at all the girls. secondly, the selection was far better than anywhere else. this was the only club that had several girls that i was definitely interested in.

the floor manager was straightforward about drinks costing 10 million for me (or 25 million if i sat at a table closer to the dance floor) and 25 million for her. after ordering a drink and watching for a few minutes i picked out a conspicuous stunner which he brought to my table. she looked like the porn star keisha from the early 1990s. she told me she was from kazakhstan and made some nice chitchat about where i was from, etc ...

as soon as her drink arrived the vendors swooped down, selling flowers, cigarettes, and candy. they were waiting in line to get at me. i told them all to go away (multiple times of course, since the first several requests were ignored). she told me to buy her a pack of cigarettes, and when i said no her answer was “my price is $200.” how could anyone turn down such a skillful and understated sales pitch? i did. when she walked off i had the feeling that she felt quite smug about having cost me an expensive drink.

the floor manager asked me if i wanted to see another girl and was actually decent about my dilemma, allowing me to talk briefly to two more girls without having to buy them drinks. one girl didn’t speak any english. the other wanted $200 and while she wasn’t a buy-me-cigarettes b---- she had a bit of a professional air and wasn’t really hot enough to be asking that price anyway. so i asked for the bill. 10 million for my drink plus 25 million for the girl-drink plus a 5 million tip tacked on came to 40 million. $30 to talk for 2 minutes to a couple of stuck-up princesses. and this is the best place in town!

next i decided to try irmak. it is on a narrow walking street and to get to it (from the north end of the street, as i did) you have to pass a gauntlet of hawkers who block your path, tug at your arm, and get upset when you don’t stop. irmak’s restaurant was closed so i went upstairs to the bar (i later learned that there is a disco on another floor above the bar which is better). there was only one girl who looked interesting and i wasn’t eager to buy more lady drinks, so i left.

i looked in several discos on that street and finally agreed to sit in the melody disco next to irmak since i saw a couple of possibilities there. inside i was careful about asking the price for everything. i was told that a beer was 4 million, so i ordered one. but the beer arrived along with 3 plates of food, which i argued furiously against accepting. in the end they took away everything but a plate of peanuts which i agreed to pay another 4 million for. i asked how much a lady drink was and was told 10 million. that seemed reasonable, so i asked a girl to sit with me.

she was a pretty rumanian who spoke a little english. she asked for $150 for all night. i asked if she would have breakfast with me the next morning and she said yes. a couple of things she said made me think she was somewhat uncorrupted. she had only been in istanbul for 3 months. when i asked to pay in lire instead of dollars she had to ask her friends what the lire equivalent of $150 was. i told her i was staying at the eresin and she hadn’t heard of it. so we closed the deal.

the bill came and my drink (4 million) plus peanuts (4 million) plus her drink (10 million) plus a plate of chocolates (4 million) that came with her drink (in addition to many other dishes that i refused to accept) came to a total of ... 45 million?! the price for lady drinks had suddenly increased to 15 million and there was more than one of them plus other charges. i refused to pay. after a long argument i gave them 25 million and they threw me out and wouldn’t let me take the girl. i had paid over $50 at two lousy places and i was on my way home to whack off.

the next night i made a tour of the entire area, looking briefly inside every club i could find. serenda was closed and it wasn’t clear whether they would open again soon. a taxi driver told me “serenda kapali ... problema”. most of these places looked roughly identical. i didn’t see what the fuss over irmak was. they seemed a little more honest and open about their prices, but they had a worse than average selection. this night i didn’t see a single girl who looked interesting in irmak. i did sit in the disco and have a beer to see if i had missed something or if more girls would show up. it was frustrating not being able to see the girls in the darkness. there is a dance floor, but it was monopolized by two men. one looked like kenneth starr and the other looked like a fat steve buschemi. they appeared to be under the impression that they were “getting down”. they were eventually joined by a bony 20-ish youth who looked like a dancer from sprockets on snl. the girls seemed to prefer to avoid them. similar bizarre spectacles occurred in several clubs that i looked in.

i tried an approach to simplify the selection process and met with mixed success. if i saw something i liked in a bar i would tell the floor manager who was holding onto my arm that i didn’t want to sit and have a drink, but could i just pick a girl, talk to her, and pay the bar something if i decided to take her. in most places the answer was no, that they have a system that needs to be followed. in one bar the owner said ok and allowed me to talk to a stunning russian girl without ordering a drink, establish that her price was $200 (which was too expensive for me), and turn her down politely. she asked me several times about why i wasn’t following the system and she seemed uncomfortable with or at least puzzled by what i was doing.

before i could leave, however, the owner cornered me in a booth and explained to me that he wanted $100 for “arranging things with the girl” (paraphrased from broken english). i wasn’t sure if he meant that if i decided to take a girl he wanted a $100 commission or if he was saying that i already owed him $100 because i had talked to a girl. i got out of the situation where i was cornered (clearly to intimidate me) by saying that i wanted to leave with the girl and that she could resolve everything if we could just talk to her. we walked over to her and i said to him “but she won’t go with me for $100, she wants $200” (deliberately confusing his commission with her asking price). i said “it’s too much for me” and quickly walked out without looking back as he started to speak to the girl.

in another club the floor manager said he would allow me to pick a girl, arrange everything with her, and the total for the girl and the bar would be $150. but oddly he also said that he would come with us to my hotel to “talk to her and make sure everything went smoothly”. this unwelcome suggestion was made more unsettling by the fact that he was much bigger than me. i wondered if the idea wasn’t go to the hotel in his car and somehow not quite make it there. a couple of other clubs said that they were happy to go along with my system, but that the charge for food and drink with a girl was $50 and that i would pay this even if we left without eating or drinking. there seemed to be an advantage to be gained here since it sounded like i could talk to the girl without paying anything if i decided not to go with her, but i could never be sure that it wasn’t another huge lie, that i wouldn’t be made to pay even if i didn’t go with a girl. most of these clubs didn’t have anyone who looked interesting anyway, and $50 was more than i wanted to pay even if i found someone i liked.

when i passed by the melody bar i was surprised when the hawkers came after me. i told them that i would take the rumanian girl i sat with the previous might and pay a fee to the bar, but that i wouldn’t go back for more drinks. they told me she wasn’t there. so my second night turned out more successful than the first one because as i whacked off i could reflect on having spent only some 30 million lire on a few drinks for myself instead of the 65 million i spent the night before.

the next day i set out more determined to get a girl and more willing to pay for it. i started early, at around 5. in the worst case scenario i would go to bacardi late and pay $200 for a beautiful girl, but first i would try to find something less expensive at irmak. well, again there was nothing interesting there, but as i came out and passed by melody bar their hawker came up to me and said that the rumanian girl was there.

i went inside and there she was. she said she would come with me for the whole night (which i was suspicious of since it was still early) for $150. a waiter came to take our drink orders and i said that i wanted no food and no drinks, i only wanted the bill. this caused some confusion but eventually resulted in a slip of paper with “35” written on it being produced. i didn’t see how i was going to do any better than this. when i put 35 million lire on the table there was anger and indications that it wasn’t enough, in spite of it being written down, but a little arguing and refusal to pay more prevailed. (remaining calm and friendly though firm when arguing, even when faced with ridiculous requests, seemed to be the most successful strategy in these places.)

now, finally i get to try out one of these girls and see if all night really means all night. well, it doesn’t. after having sex the first time she asked me how many more times i wanted to have sex and told me that when i was done she would go. i didn’t much care by now since her english wasn’t great, so being with her for a long time might be dull, and after two rounds i thought i had gotten some value for my money. she offered a third round but i didn’t know if i would be able to so i said it wasn’t necessary. overall she was neither bad nor great. she seemed a little nervous. she wanted to be paid in advance. when she undressed i was a little disappointed. the first bj was covered and the second uncovered but it only went about ½ inch into her mouth. there was some blood as her period was just ending (so maybe it was a good thing that i didn’t take her out 2 nights earlier). kissing was no problem. both times after a few minutes of sex she started asking about when i was going to come. certainly it was not worth the $250 and 2 nights of searching that i had spent. when she left she asked for cab fare and i said i didn’t have it. she said she didn’t believe me (she was right), so i told her that well she said she would stay all night, and she let it drop.

there was a language barrier, but if i understood her correctly she had spent a night at the police station. after i left her two night earlier the management of the bar got mad at her because i wouldn’t pay (as if it were her fault). then later that night the police raided the club. she made the unfortunate mistake of alerting the police to the fact that the restaurant was run by the mafia, and for this she got slapped around and spend a night in jail. she said she hated the people at the bar and told me not to go there again but to call her directly if i wanted to see her again and she gave me her number. the whole story was gloomy, and one particular detail that was a depressing commentary on the state of the hobby was that she would hustle me about spending the whole night and then expect me to want to see her again. i told her that i would be in isanbul for a few more days. i don’t know if things would have gone as well if she had known that i was leaving the next day. she told me that she is thinking of going to another country because there is nothing in turkey, but she doesn’t know where. i asked her if she knew about the clubs in germany, but she said that she doesn’t speak german, doesn’t know anyone there, and anyway f---ing people is a lousy job.

in the heart of the marketplace by the yeni camii there is an area where you can buy generic viagra very cheaply. there are also some porn vcds which i don’t recommend. i picked up 4 of the vcds for 1 million each. three of them weren’t awful, but the movies on them had nothing to do with the covers, and the fourth was a regular cd with turkish lessons instead of a vcd. i asked the viagra sellers for cialis and got suckered into buying kamagra (generic viagra). i checked the chemical name – sildenofil citrate – and knew that i had heard the name before, and i only bought one packet and tried it out before buying more, so i wasn’t a complete bonehead who just believed what they said. when i realized my mistake i was only a little annoyed since even for viagra it was a good price. i paid 15 million (about $12) for a packet of 4 once i got the price down. maybe it can be had for less. in thailand viagra costs about $10 per pill.

if you are stuck in istanbul or if you are there for the tourist attractions, do what you have to do. but if you are looking for adventure and can choose your destination don’t come here and support the crummy gangsters who treat both you and the girls like crap. oh, and if my post hasn’t convinced you to avoid istanbul check out the posts on diseases. this is not a good place to go to hobby.

Aslan Kral

05-03-04, 18:19

Catalyst,

I agree with many points you mentioned in your message. Turkish 'enterpreneurs' usually try to rip off foreigners as much as possible, even in small cities far from touristic places. I witnessed many similar events when I was in Turkey. This seems like a tradition. At the moment that you are realized as a foreigner, the price for the commodity will go up. The key point is not the looks, but the language barrier.

I guess, being Turkish or at least speaking some level of Turkish would be quite helpful. My Turkish is not very good, and I visited Aksaray several times, including once during night time, I never run into any problem. I simply ignored those people who try really hard to convince.

Anyway, in Irmak you shouldn't pay more than 20M including both drinks(one for the girl, one for yourself) and a small tip. I think, it is just about luck. When I visited Irmak last time, there were 15-20 girls downstairs waiting for the disco to open and I was able to choose a nice girl for 110 euro per night. All the girls I got from Irmak stayed over night without any problem, but only one of them spoke passable English. That's another potential problem with foreigners, most girls don't speak English.

BTW, I visited Irmak only three times, all over the same weekend, and always worked with connections afterwards. Connections arrange new connections and if you don't like what is arranged, you can usually reject the lady and just pay the taxi fare. During last few weeks, I just focused on Turkish connections and last Saturday, eventually I had great sex with a stunning Turkish amateur. She wouldn't even touch my dick, but I ravaged her for one full hour. She was trying to hide, but I think she was married. I felt guilty afterwards having sex with a married woman, but I will definitely arrange her when I visit next time. She was hot.

Once you get the right connections, you can't imagine what is being offered with a little incentive. Istanbul is an incredible place if you speak the language. The key point is to build relationships and go from one connection to another and let them work for you. Because, when you have sex with a semi-pro for a few times and have a good relationship, she would know enough about your sexual preferences and will arrange what is best for you.

Of course, again, these are valid statements if you speak the language and yes Istanbul might not be a good destination for foreigners.

I guess, Turkish mongers will be much better off in the coming years. Prostitution has not been an acceptable discipline for previous generations, but that's changing fast. I believe, we will go through an explosion in numbers as younger generation is not restricted enough and economic situation is not improving. Do I like this situation, no, I would prefer Turkey to stay as a closed country as much as possible, which is somewhat contrary to my darker side.

Aslan Kral

Catalyst

05-04-04, 00:42

Aslan,

Sounds like one should stick to Irmak, but the selection was not good when I was there. 20 million sounds like what I would have paid at Irmak (or maybe 25 if the girl had ordered a more expensive drink).

How hard do you bargain with the girls? Do they start out at 100-110 Euros? Bargaining didn’t get me very far in Bacardi or in one other club (the other $200 girl).

Regarding connections, do you mean that you ask the girl you are with to hook you up with her friends? You’re not referring to escort services, are you?

There was a gorgeous young girl I passed on the street out by the wall. She was sitting on a chair on the sidewalk and offered to take my picture. I wondered if there was something up with that, but I hardly speak any Turkish, so I didn’t think I had any way to find out.

Priamos

05-04-04, 06:54

Catalyst,

I privately agree that Irmak is a tad overrated. Some of the other bars/restaurants on the same short street even have a better selection of girls, but the waiters there are more pushing and more trickery so expats tend to prefer the relative honesty of Irmak.

On the basis of your posting I'd say you're a classic north European or American tourist, who does not want to play Vanderbilt (this rules out Bacardi and a couple of similar places) and who does much like the aggressive bargainings and mutual deceit of the eastern Mediterranean (that rules out much of Aksaray). If so, I strongly recommend you take a look at the map I posted a couple of weeks ago and go to a place like Gold Can in the afternoon or Sultan Club in the evening. Both of them (and especially GC) are a bit dark and smoke-filled, but they are more honest than most and with a good selection of girls.

Aslan Kral

05-04-04, 10:13

Catalyst,

I never bargained with the girls. I asked what would be the price for 2 hours and was directly quoted 50 Euros twice and slightly higher another time. With one of them, we only spoke in English.

There is a reasonable chance that you are looking for someone quite high on the scale. I am interested with the girls aged between 25-35 and hot, passionate, long sex is number one priority.

As a result, I don't usually look for girls higher than 8 and those type of girls provide only mechanical sex. This is the case in other countries as well. They want to finish quick and return back to pick up another customer, so they would do anything just to get rid off you. There is a nickname for these type of girls; 'Animal'.

I had never been to Bacardi, but price seems right. 150-200$ for the night in those type of places.

I don't mean escort services. I asked one of my ladies about a Turkish girl and convinced her that having sex with a Turkish girl would be fantastic. She was reluctant at the beginning, but later arranged one such girl. I then asked that girl to arrange me other Turkish girls, and eventually had sex with several Turkish gals.

I have the impression that SW activity is everywhere. I have seen girls waiting for customers in Topkapi area, some of them are really gorgeous, young and possibly cheap.

Aslan Kral

Big Bro AJ

05-04-04, 15:44

Catalyst,

Sorry about your bad experience in Istanbul. As “Aslan Kral” mentioned as long as you can speak Turkish a little bit you may pass the barriers more easily. If you are looking for hot beauties, Moscow is the best place, but the quality of the girls at Thockas going down and the prices are going up at the clubs, because of the summer. You may find all the details from MOSCOW section.

Not only in Istanbul, mafia controls the sex industry everywhere. You may see it clearly at the former communist countries.

Seranda, Irmak and Bacardi are the best places for mongers.

Seranda has a hotel; if you deal with the girl you can take it over there. It’s safe for sex.

Generally prices for all night is around $200 or equivalent Euro. It’s summer time.

When you compare the prices with US, having sex is really cheap in Istanbul, but none of them is a GFE.

Don’t forget “what you see what you get”

Catalyst

05-05-04, 01:43

Thanks, guys, for the info. I’ve been to some of the better places in the world, including Moscow, but also Rio, Germany, Thailand, and Amsterdam (before the prices went crazy), so maybe I’m spoiled.

I am definitely looking for the best looking ones, and they are scarce here, so there is a problem. Some of the Bacardi girls might have been worth it, but not if there is a likelihood that they will take your $200 and then leave early. Does everyone pay in advance? Can you count on most of them to spend the whole night? I certainly got bad vibes from at least the first one I spoke with.

If you go for 2 hours can you go to your hotel, or do you have to shell out for a local mafia hotel? If I’m ever back I think a better strategy than immediately bargaining for all night would be to go for 2 hours and then extend to all night if it goes well. And I’ll try to make connections. I’ll certainly do everything I can to avoid those leeches who run the restaurants and discos.

Where should I look for streetwalkers around Topkapi; in front of the hotels? Things didn’t look very developed out there. Also I tried Serenda, but it was closed and seemed like it might be for a while.

“When you compare the prices with US, having sex is really cheap in Istanbul.” – And when you compare MacDonald’s with gruel eaten by starving Ethiopians it tastes like the best restaurant in Paris.

Vegamars

05-05-04, 18:40

Apart from the funny prices in the US the quality is so poor that you cannot even compare it with another place or Istanbul.That's why any American guy falls in love with the first Russian girl he encounters.
The trick with Bacardi and similar places is to be experienced enough to look for the new girls in town and to negotiate for 2-3 hrs for first meeting.Later on you can easily arrange a meeting for yourself by avoiding the clubs and the system.
Considering all and the comparison of quality vs prices, the best place in the world is definitely Northern Cyprus.

Aslan Kral

05-05-04, 20:09

Catalyst,

When I hired the girls for 2 hours we always went to my hotel. I was staying at Holiday Inn Atakoy then, and none of the girls objected. Of course, you will have to ask the girl, but I don't think there would be any objection, at least in Irmak. I mentioned about it in other posts, most restaurants close to Irmak have a condition on the customer that the lady should be brought to a hotel that has an agreement with the restaurant. Those hotels are crap and charge more than usual because they share the payment with the restaurant.

In Topkapi, I spent some time close to Holiday Inn Istanbul. I noticed young girls with heavy make-ups, waiting in front of apartments on minor streets, during evening, but I didn't ask any of them. I saw guys speaking to them briefly and taking off. I also spotted SWs both sides of the street where Holiday Inn and Topkapi Eresin are located. Some of them were she-males. Anyway, at least those SWs would sure require some language skills and it is critical not to ask the wrong lady.

A taxi driver told me that this activity is not stable. Sometimes, police shows up during late evenings to push them otuside of that area.

The activity increases during evenings, but I saw one she-male around the hotel at 5PM. It was clear that he/she was a PRO, heavy make-up, a 'funny' bag and looks. Not for regular girls.

My understanding is SW activity is happening in most places and most women involved are married. One lady friend mentioned about a married women in her building bringing customers to her apartment. In this case, husband knows, and I could get this lady quite cheap, less than 50M, but I can't spend with her more than half-hour and have to visit her apartment. One time deal, probably no BJ, but she is attractive, again according to my lady friend.

Turkish Connections mentioned about a lot of things; beatiful married women where the husband doesn't know, younger girls doing anal sex to keep their virginity, veiled women whoring(possibly in traditional sense, can't imagine otherwise), etc. And the numbers are exploding. I have the impression that anal sex is more common among Turkish pros. Most foreigners pros don't do it.

I was thinking that they were exaggerating, but last Saturday I went into a bed with a very nice Amateur, married, 25 years old. Another lady had to bring her to my hotel room. I paid 100USD for 2 hours, which I had to spend 45 minutes just talking/drinking to prepare her for bed. It was awesome. In my opinion, I am not going to have this experience in another country. And how would I find her without connections?

BTW, you need to keep your connections under leash. I don't spend much time in Turkey, and when I'm outside I give a call to each connection 1-2 times a week. This way, you also push them to look for girls for your next visit.

Now, I plan to be back in Istanbul late May and would like to have sex with 5-6 different Turkish gals during a weekend. I am not going to touch any pro foreigners for some time. US or Europe, it is not worth it. In Germany I visited FKKs a few times, Pay 100-150 euro, have sex with 2-3 women for 30-40 minutes. No real action, just mechanic sex with a lady who had fucked so many men during that week. Why bother to fuck them? I don't want to even cover the pathetic situation in east coast. You can have exotic choices, but rule of thumb is, pro or not pro, American women are dumb.

I can't really comment about Rio, Thailand or Moscow. But most places in Western world, forget it, I am not going to spend a single cent.

A side note is that every person has a different taste, perspective, and sexual situation. My feelings are not probably applicable in your case. But, if you had just spoken the language, you would get a much better deal.

Aslan Kral

Catalyst

05-07-04, 03:23

Aslan,

Thanks for all the great info. Maybe I'll give Istanbul another try sometime.

Not much I can do about my language skills without a big investment, and I'm not sure I'm up for calling my connections a couple of times a week, so I'll be at a disadvantage. I'll skip the streetwalkers and try to form some relationships with girls after testing them out for an hour or two.

Can anyone comment on a couple of points:

1 - Do you always or usually pay in advance?

2 - Have people had good experiences with the really gorgeous girls in Bacardi, or do they have a bad attitude because they think too highly of themselves?

3 - Is Serenda still operating?

I really like Germany. The girls are beautiful, the sex is great (depending on the club), and everything is straightforward. I hate the way I always seem to be pulling off leeches in Aksaray. Whoever suggested that I must be a classic north European/American tourist who is uncomfortable with this stuff nailed it.

Priamos

05-07-04, 06:09

Catalyst,

Actually it was I who used the term classic American/North European tourist. I'm glad you approve... ;-)

In response to your direct questions:

a) The best way to pay an Aksaray working girl is: (1) agree on the price before going to a hotel room with her. The agreement should include the services and, crucially, the amount of time spent ("two hours" easily shrink to 50 minutes if you don't insist); (2) do NOT pay before you are inside the hotel room; (3) prior to undressing, put the agreed sum (plus perhaps a small topping if you want to enhance the probability of GFE) on a table in the room. Ex-Soviet girls abhor having cash thrust into their palm. Also, this creates an exit option if you feel the girl reneges on her promise: just stand up, get dressed and withdraw a portion of the cash (you should leave a little, though, to avoid trouble).

b) I have no experience with Bacardi girls. I have been to Bacardi a couple of times, but I feel strangely out of place: most of the other punters are apparently wealthy Turkish businessmen on a night out, and even by dressing up I have never been able to dispel the impression of being an outsider.

c) Serenda is up and running. I don't know what to make of this place: on the one hand, the girls are very pretty and not overly expensive. On the other hand, the service you usually get is far from GFE. Most of the time I prefer to trawl for the chatty and un-rushed services of a less dazzling "neighbour's daughter" from one of the smaller bars in the neighbourhood. Finally, on the issue of Serenda, if you go in autumn be aware that they are closed during Ramadan.

Local Expert

05-07-04, 09:17

Catalyst:

I read your posts with a smiling and a crying eye, as I felt transferred back about seven years, when I had my first encounters in the bars of Ankara and my knowledge of Turkish was close to zero.

As a foreigner you are always seen as fair game by Turks, especially in the bars and clubs we from the WSG attend. But not only us, also Turks who come to such a location for the first time are being fucked heavily by waiters, pros, bar-managers, etc. The folks who work in these locations have a very elaborated sense whom of their customers is a first-timer and who is not. I received several PM's even by Turkish mongers in Ankara who wanted me to accompany them on their first "mission", as they know what happens to "virgins".

Who are these waiters / managers? These guys usually do not earn a salary, but live on the tips left by the customers, bribes by the girls and even by cheating the club owner heavily. In Ankara some chicks told me that they have to go to bed with the waiters in order to get seated next to customers with priority when the latters ask the waiters for "a" chick. Have you ever received a receipt in any of those bars for your payment ? Of course not, you just get a piece of paper with, let us say 50 million written onto it and that was all. That's how the barmen cheat even their bosses. Now, what is the psychology behind that ?

None of the folks in these bars has seen school for more than 5 years; they all come from the very poor AND CONSERVATIVE areas of each town. They are happy to have at least A job, and dare, don't think their parents know where they work exactly. (By the way, that also counts for the girls. Many of them live still at home and tell their parents they work in the tourism industry, that's why it is difficult to get an all-nighter with them).

Now these waiters see you as easy prey right in the middle of "Sodom and Gomorra". You are a non-muslim, you carry loads of cash with you and, on top of that, even drink alcohol. This is faaaaar too much for their conservative view of the world, so when they see that you are already smiling after your fourth beer, you have to pay for your sins and they gonna fuck you big time..... if you let them.

To avoid that, I am always very careful when it comes to Istanbul, regarding alcohol. In Ankara, the barmen all know me, so I can pump it here, but I would never do that out of town. What I suggest to all "Turkish-Illiterates" is to reflect the above before you enter one of the clubs. Then, make the waiter know that you are the boss in a friendly way. Order your coke, push his arm with the plates of nuts, salads, fruits, etc. VERY gently away before they even touch your table and be firm on that. Make him understand that you don't wanna eat anything there and combine this with maybe a joke. If you have a belly, point on it and say that you are on a diet e.g.... make the guy smile, then you are on the safe side. When these cigarette or teddy-bear sellers come, tell them to fuck off. They are on the lowest social level of the bar. Make them know that you know this! The best way to do that is to look into their eyes and use the Turkish mimic for "no". That is raising your eyebrows and your head (a bit) at the same time. Additionally, wave them away with your right hand. That shows them that you know they work in "Sodom and Gomorra" and what their status in there is.

Only invite a chick to your table who you definitely wanna screw that night. Make sure that you agree on the price and conditions within the first 3 minutes, then let her finish her drink and LEAVE ! Don't spend more time in the place than you have to.

Bunny Hopper, No Commit and me met for a mongering weekend in Istanbul last summer. I won't go mongering in Istanbul again in summer, as all the good chicks are down in Antalya, but if some of you come back to Istanbul after October, we could all meet in that beautiful city and go mongering for a weekend together. It is definitely worth it, if you know where to go and how to behave.

To your questions:

1) Usually YES
2) Never had one from Bacardi, as 200 USD is too much
3) Definitely, they might be closed for a week due to a police raid

Finally: Istanbul is not a destination you go to for sex-tourism. It can never compete with Rio, Phuket or Nairobi, but you can have fun there if you are in Turkey for other main reasons !

Big Bro AJ

05-07-04, 15:33

Awesome baby.

Local Expert,

Such an experience and observation from a foreigner. I agree most of it. Showing who is the boss is the right approach, act like you know what you are doing and why you are there are the key elements in those places. Always be nice. Taksim area bars/pubs are famous with rip offs. As I wrote Serenda has a hotel for its customers. It’s secure enough. Police raid is part of the business; they will be running next week with same guys.

From my view SW (most of them drug addicts) is too risky, even you have some risks with club girls. Definitely stays away from chicks with dicks in Turkey.Most of them have serious psychological problems and AIDS risk higher than real girls.

150-200 is the normal price for all night in Istanbul. As long as you have some contacts you may get good rates for better girls.

AJ

Speed Touch

05-09-04, 20:59

well, here's my fir report on istanbul - a bit late, but i had to register.

first of all a big thanks to bunny hopper, local expert, no commit and vegamars whose reports last year proved invaluable.

i was there on the easter holidays (april 9 - 12). i've read most of the board on istanbul, so had a well prepared agenda.

arrived bang on time on friday afternoon, got the visa at the airport (10gbp), and then looked for the chemist in the airport. i found it but was too embarrassed to go in and ask for viagra, as there were some very young men and women behind the counter and it was busy.

i was staying at the holiday inn, atakoy, so knew about the shuttle bus. i hung around, and no bus came, so i got a taxi (was very cheap) to the hotel. i checked in, paid extra for breakfast and in turned out to be $80 for each night.

i went to the room, and i could see the seperate entrances that bunny hopper mentioned in his report, but these were locked with sign saying to use the main entrance/exit by reception. a shame because i don't like being stopped by reception when brining a chick back.

so to the room. well i booked a double and it really was amazing, esp fo $80 per night. unpacked, showered, had a look at a map, and hopped into a cab and headed for aksaray. had a walk around, found a chemist, popped in and bought some viagra (checed the pzfizer logo, sealed) - cost 64mill. i had a hand drawn map of the area, but did get lst in the back streets where all the car parts shops are.

i ended outside big pub, and i had directions or imrak. i asked a local for the mesipasa cadesa. he pointed me in the right direction. i didn't venture into big pub, as imrak was first on my list. i got there in 2 mins.

at imrak i took a table outside and could cleary see there were women of the night there. i had a drink or two, just looking around. i could see that imrak is split into two restaurants. i sat on the left hand side if your looking at imrak. the waiter mentioned the other was different. does anybody know of this? anyway i called the waiter and asked him if i could be seated inside as there was a women who i liked who went to sit inside. once inside i asked the waiter to ask her to the table, so he did. she ordered a drink. she was from russia..nice blonde girl. the overnight at ny hotel was 230million. seemed fine, so we left. the bill was 45million, seemend very steep, but i paid it, and on the way out the waiter asked for a tip, i just laughed at him. the taxi to the hotel took forever as friday night traffic t atakoy was really bad. she ket on asking of the hotel would be ok with her. i said es, no probelm - but i didn't reall have a clue! so taxi cam to 15 mill. we go past reception no problem.

she stayed to 9am, everyhting was ok, but her body was not great.. her name was jana. after the first round i tried half a viagra. it did something, but wasn't that great.

saturday, went shoping and ended up in aksaray. i had my camera and went to check out the sw sceen around the phone booths opposite big pub. took a few pictures and saw one or two sw around, not great looking though so i went to big pub. as i arrived the gut searched me and wanted to know what was in my bag. as soon as he found out i was a tourist he let me n without looking in my bag. i had a drink (with nuts!) looked aroung saw a few girls and decided to go to imrak. had some food at imrak, they were glad to see me back. i didn't pick a girl and this time the bill was 20mill.

i went to big pub, and it was quite lively, locals dancing. all the table were budy, so you had to share on of the four seater tables. i saw some nice women in there, so got a waiter to send a rose over to her. oce he did, he wanted 10mill. i thought this was too much so he said 5 mill. i gave him 10 and he gave me 5 back (but a fake note, which i didn't see till the next day). anyway i call the girl over and she sits next to me. the guy next to me moved opposite to make room for her. he became friendly and basically brokered the deal between me and her. her name was rosa, a stunning girl from kyrgyzstan (chinese looking, russian speaking). anyway we agreed on 130mill for 2 hours. off in the taxi we went. there are taxi's waiting outside bib pub, but i think these may rip you off. so, past reception no problem.

she was awesome. i took half a viagra 20 mins before this time, and it worked well. i asking about staing all night, but she said tommorow and gave me her mobile. she asked for 20mill for the taxi when she left. so in all 150million to her. note the taxi prices go up after 9/10pm.

so, onto sunday. i thought i hand aroung the sw to see what the deal was. i saw a good looking one and approached her. she wanted 20mill, and said 20mill for the hotel. i agreed and walked off with her. we walked into a place called the blue hotel. they took my passport and 20mill and we went in the lift with a porter. porter showed us the crappy room, and asked if i wanted a drink..to which i said no. then has asked for 5mill for the condoms...i gave him this. then he asked for a tip, and by this stage the sw was pushing him out the room. anyway, she took her jeans half way down and stick a condom on and exected me to do it while she played with her mobile. i didn't as her attitude was crap so i ripped to condom off and told her to go. she left the room, then i got dressed, went downstars got my passport and left. be careful these women are a rip off for non-turks. i live and learn.

so, i went for a walk, and later to imrak. had dinner, didn't see anything i liked, so i caleld rosa from the night before. as rosa didn't speak english she gave the phone to her friend an i arranged to meet her in big pub at 10pm.

i got to big pub around 8.30 and saw two chicks i liked, but not wanted to get ripped off, i asked them both inidivually how much for two hours. both said 130,but didn't want to go to atakoy as they said it was too far for 2 hours. i wished i had stayed closer. they both said that we could go to a temporaty hotel for a cost of 40mill, but i declined saying that i left my passport in the hotel.

later rosa turned up and sat opposite me. she got her friend to interprete and even thougth we agreed on 230mill the night before for her to stay with me overnight, her friend translated that rosa said that this was "too" little and wanted 250mill. i agreed and we left. at the hotel i took a full viagra, and for the next 3/4 hours i was solid and she loved every minute. the hotel even had a powecut in between but we carried on screwing. she gave a great uncovered blow job a kissed awesome. she had big fake boobs, but she had a good body as well as being a stunner.

she left at 9am and never asked fo taxi fare. i got a pic of her, semi dressed. very nice.

i asked reception about the shuttle bus to the airport and booked it for 3pm. i checked out left my bags there and wen shopping locally.

overall i found istabul very good for mongering, but i can see the rip offs are off putting. i found big pub better than imrak for girls, and it seemed easier to talk to them(or call them over) there.

i was always quoted 200$ for an overnight, and only one girl budged from this in big pub, but said she would leave at 6am. i turned her down as i do love it once in the morning!

i see that i need to check out gold can, as well as a few other places mentioned recently. i'm sure i'll be back soon.

would be good to meet up with a few fellow mongers. i'm thinking of going back for a weekend very soon. can anyone recommend a girl friendly hotel closer to aksaray than the holiday inn atakoy?

speed touch

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Catalyst

05-10-04, 01:26

Thanks everyone for all the info.

Priamos,

I should have reconfirmed the all-night deal just before giving her the money. In retrospect I don't know whether it would have been awkward to spend the rest of the day and all night with her or fun. Not sure what I would have done after dinner in a crowded restaurant if she had said "Ok, I'm going now" and she already had my 150. Probably better to start an all night deal in the evening, have fun all night, and then see the town with her the next day.

Local Expert,

Interesting idea about the alcohol. I would have preferred a non-alcoholic drink, but everything was already so difficult and argumentative without special orders. I know the head and eyebrows gesture for saying no, but didn't think to use it.

Sounds like the way to get the best bang for your buck here is to look for a full time "girlfriend". Next time maybe I'll try out the discos to see if I can do it for free and go to Akseray the next afternoon if not.

Still interested in hearing from anyone who has experience with the $200 Bacardi girls.

Priamos

05-10-04, 06:08

speed touch,

your experience with the sw is an exact replica of my own! i suppose we may even have run into the same girl, for my latest visit to istanbul was also during the easter break. yes, an extortive bellboy and a girl who undresses half and implores you to come on top of her without any preparations whatsoever, it's definitely part of the same routine.

in response to your hotel question, if you're willing to pay a little extra without going for luxury and/or business hotels i recommend hotel merit antique. it's the only five star hotel in laleli and it's comfortably located two blocks away from mustapha kemal cad. my european background tends to make me believe that the upmarket hotels try to "maintain a certain standard" whereas the seedier ones are easier to bend, but in istanbul it's very much the opposite: people who pay a premium price expect and demand that, in return for their money, they can do whatever they like. merit antique's staff does not even give you second looks when you walk in with the night's "catch". their list prices are, it must be admitted, very high, but if you use an online booking service you can get a double room for around 120 dollars (=100 euros, which is normally my limit).

BunnyHopper

05-11-04, 01:38

hello all,

there is certainly alot going on here.

speed touch

glad you enjoyed your trip. on previous visits i only ever walked past pig pub and didn't wander in - if it as easy as you say, then it is a definite stop on the the next trip.

speaking of next trip, le is hinting that this will be in october/november time. will see you then if you're in town.

compared to me you are quite daring if you tried a sw in aksaray. i have only ever seen one that i would have had, but the language barrier was enough to put me off.

also glad you enjoyed viagra - how long it takes to impact your rod will depend on how full your belly is. read other parts of the wsg, there is plenty of advice.

i agree the inn is too far, but have stuck with it because of the good sized rooms which are of a high standard and reasonable prce, but may try a closer place next time. merrit sounds like a good bet.

{{ also i wonder were you got you handle from, you don;t use a 'alcatel speed touch modem' do you ??? :-) }}

catalyst,

a shame your trip was not better - it can be a real game of cat and mouse, but often it is worth the effort to find a real gem.

(if you want to have a good laugh at my expense, read the rome section soon, i will post a fr about a very expensive mistake soon involving a spaniard, a romanian, a russian, an italian and a tranny !!)

as we learned a few summers back, the summer can be dry of any real talent and the reduced supply leads to higher prices. after the rip off bar bills, had you had two or three great girls, you may have thought the extra bar bills and pushy waiters worth it.

i am really poor at picking a girl and go through a few before i pick one - from this i tend to land bigger bar bills. this is the danger at bacardi. it is bigger and darker (though there is nothing stopping you go to the dance floor and having a good look). but that won't mean you call over to your table, order the drink and then learn she costs too much or won't stay as long as you want or worse still, wont do those things for you your wife/girlfriend won't do ! - before you ditch her and call over another.

still i have had i think a total of three girls from bacardi, all were first class sex. olga was great sex too, pig tails and all' (you can find her picture post some pages further back) - but she ditch me after one round despite costing me some $200 i think. but i can still see myself going in there again for another bacardi girl if the other places are dry.

a point to note, you can have bacardi girls from bars in aksaray during the day (they don't only work at night in bacardi) - only thing is they wont be dressed as nice, but you pay alot less.

when talking to a girl in places like irmak during the day, it is not wise to say you have been to (or even heard of bacardi), they think if you've got enough cash to go in there, then you can pay them more - instead drop a few names of the smaller low key places.

aslan,

you've managed to do what i've always wanted to do ! a genuine semi pro turkish girl. the only turkish girls i have ever seen are in the mp's in istanbul - and i have(had) this thing for turkish girls.

i am growing more interested in "off the beaten track" - the semi-pro you talk of if certainly what i call 'off the beaten track'

i have had two, i wouldn't say semi pros, rather newbies instead, from irmak during the first ever visit there - they were real nice and serious gfe experiences. even with the more pro type girls there, i've had good experiences, sveta comes to mind.

i am always nice to the girls, and the first thing i hand the girl in a hotel room is the "room service menu", i find that if you are nice to them they return it to you.

you comment about sw's around topkapi caught my eye - has anyone been into the normal bars/pubs/restuarants around there in the late evening ? any talent aroound that area ?

big bro aj,

serenda is certainly very good for the first timer. but the cumulative impact on me of the romanian girls not doing bj and being too mechanical/quick in bed is enough for me to not consider going there (gets annoying after a little while) and chance my arm elsewhere - sure this may just be my own experience. but there is of course little gabriella there whom i met on my first ever trip there - she does eveything, everything with smile.

but on balance, i would still recommend it to a first timer because of the ease and hassle free deal with the waiters and hotel staff.

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would you all agree, i think the main point is that we have all been to the same haunts and yet our experiences are all often so different.

RedBaron2

05-13-04, 13:32

Last night decided to call one of the numbers posted by Aslan Kral 0535 516 9295.
Supposed to be an Hungarian, but a friend of her answered, and it was a nice half spanish half hungarian.
She made me wait almost an hour before coming to my hotel, however it was worth waiting.
Long black hair, nice body, kind of big lady, with nice back and ... front.
She stayed more than one hour, we had agreed for 2, but she was somewhat in a hurry.
Two shots, decent bbbj. Worth the money, 100 euros and 20 for the taxi, without any hassles like in the pubs.
I had told I was staying two weeks and she probably did her best hoping for a new call.
Red

Hedonist

05-18-04, 22:32

Just a note on my recent experiences in Istanbul:

Irmak, Gold Can and Pig Pub are safe. Actually Gold Can had a pretty good selection even though it was early afternoon when I got there.

I was at Seranda in December, and took a Ukranian back then for a 2-hours/3-shots whichever happens earlier deal and paid her $50. This time all girls quoted $100 for two hours and quality of the girls were not commensurate. Seranda might be deteriorating...

Priamos

05-25-04, 21:26

I spent an improvised long weekend in Istanbul this week: the weather was wonderful and the girls were not bad either!

That said, I should warn prospective mongers about an ongoing crackdown in the redlight area of Yenikapi/Aksaray: the street service at Irmak and surrounding bars has been dismantled and the number of hotels that are willing to rent by the hour is dramatically reduced. Moreover, while I was there the police busted Gold Can. No doubt it will open again, but the question is when. I got the impression that the gist of the LE operation was to clamp down on "visible" activities that might offend ordinary people: the late night action was as vibrant as ever and naturally you were free to take as many girls to your place (if you have one...) as you cared, but afternoon places, open-air places and "respectable" hotels mixing punters with bona fide guests were definitely feeling the heat. Maybe this was all due to the fact that a big UN conference was in town during my visit, but, then again, those big honchos are not supposed to roam this part of town, are they? ;-)

I spent three nights in town, the first two of which quite agreeable. On my first evening out I teamed up with a volupteous little Ukrainian lady in Gold Can (the night before it was closed), who was so bottled-blonde and had 'sex-sex-sex' written so shamelessly across her face that I would have dreaded offering her a meal or even a drink in a public place. But who cares? Back at the hotel she performed serial BBBJs interrupted by FS in multiple position and asked every five minutes if "you want me to do different, ya?". This was the closest I got to a GFE on that trip.

On the second day I picked up a slim young Moldovan brunette in Irmak. She didn't speak English, but her older girlfriend did so the introductory negotiations were not too tormentuous. She gave me a correct & comprehensive service, but she was pliant rather than active and it felt a bit like being with an inflatable doll. Still, she had a beautiful body, so I couldn't help feeling that I'd had something for my 50+ euros.

The third day was the kind that makes first-time mongers decide that they'll "never in a lifetime come back to that ***** town". I was so unfortunate I can barely think of it without wincing. I started relatively early in Big Pub, and wanted to test one of my favourite theories: if you monger in the afternoon, pick a less-than-stunning girl who'll figure you're the day's only catch. My chubby Russian blonde catch had a charming smile, and little else to recommend her. Normally the theory works, but not this time. Owing to the aforementioned crackdown I was told only a few hotels were available (AND one had to take a taxi away from the bar for discretion, which is normally not Big Pub style) so we were scooted off to the slightly dilapidated hotel ZZZZ. There, my consort played all the usual tradecraft of the crooked girls: "I don't kiss; don't touch me there - I don't like that; I want a drink..." and, as I my habit, I kept on a straight face without committing the ultimate crime of offering her more money. (The offer would be accepted, without changing the level service one dot!) However, when the waiter came back third time knocking on the door to demand a back payment on the drink he had served 10 minutes earlier (I was, of course, stark naked) I realised I was being played for fools and marched out. 70 euros down the drain.

Feeling bruised and tipsy, I slept for a few hours. Then I went to the famous Serenda. On the (in)famous dancing floor I picked up a tall, sexy-looking, not exactly young Bulgarian working girl. She offered me a long-time service for 100 euros, blowjob included (I asked because many Serenda girls refuse to do this) and we took a room together. Her body was magnificent, especially considering she had apparently borne a child, but as soon as we got down to the serious stuff she was very surprised that I could possibly have thought she would perform oral sex. It was all my fault, you see: How could I possibly have expected a fluent English speaker to understand the word blowjob??? I demanded half my money back and marched out. 80 euros down the drain. I went back to Big Pub and found a mature (by which I mean about 35 y.o.) blonde shorthaired Ukrainian woman who appeared - cross my heart - service minded. She agreed to spend the night for 100 euros - and she hinted that the price was negotiable, but I negotiated a few premium services instead. We got into a taxi and she took me to... (you guessed it?) Hotel ZZZZ! I told her there was no ****ing way I would enter that hotel and paid her a small amount in compensation for her time. Another 50 euros down the drain.

Well, these things happen sometimes. I think next time I go to Istanbul I'll rent an appartment so that, once we're on my premises, I will not be subject to phoney misunderstandings, blackmail and the whims of the Aksaray police! ;-)

Connect 28

05-26-04, 22:04

Dear mongers,

Please keep in mind that during the last week of June, there is a NATO summit in Istanbul where US President will be also present, hence the police will not even let anybody take a breath in and around Aksaray.

connect

Me Idiot

05-27-04, 08:04

A request: Can you share information regarding hotel to stay at? How much they cost?

Also, any tips on negotiation strategies with Turks? I'm told it is expected.

Finally, what are some key Turkist phrases??

rplusl

05-29-04, 12:18

In Istanbul earlier this month I phoned Arsen's friend at 0535 516 9295. She is Hungarian but spent 3 years in Madrid so she speaks Spanish pretty well. Very little English. Called herself Margarita.

Margarita is sexy, at least at first. She is a good teaser and toucher. Gives a good bbbj. Problems is her cell phone never stopped ringing and she was in a rush. Like Redbaron said below, we agreed on 2 hours and she was out in about 1 hour, including shower, drink, etc.

Margarita may have a few extra pounds but she's not fat. She has a sexy body and knows how to use it. She would be MUCH better without the rush. Friendly personality. She offered to bring her friend, Olympia, next time. Didn't take her up on this trip. I might call her again, but would definitely stress NO RUSH before agreeing to her visit. Might be worth offering her a little more cash than 100 Euros to get a more leisurely visit.

About Akseray, I visited there in March and walked all over the place -- saw the bars. This is a sleazy place with touts trying to get you in to their place. Went in, briefly, to one bar/restaurant and sat down. The "talent" looked really low class. I love Russian/Ukraine girls but most of these were fat, ugly, wearing caked on makeup. Yuck. Perhaps my timing was bad -- went in late afternoon. The sleaze factor does have a certain fascination but somehow the whole atmosphere reaked of RIPOFF and perhaps worse.

Raxxxx

05-29-04, 15:51

In Istanbul for only 1 day. I went to all the frequently mentioned haunts Gold Can, Big Pub, Bacardi but didn't see any thing that turned me on. This morning I wanted to get laid before I left so I followed Red Baron's example(see his post of 5-18-04) and called Margarita the Hungarian-Spanish chick. We conversed in spanish and settled on$75US for 1 hour. She lives very close to the Holiday Inn Topkapi and arrived. Good jump! the only thing that didn't suit my taste Was she had a big spider tatoo on her ass. I don't like spiders or tats. On to Helsinki next week.

Aslan Kral

05-31-04, 11:46

Man, I should have asked her for a commission before posting Margarita's phone number in this forum.

Raxx, yeah, the big spider tattoo was a mistake and is not going away for sure. You are not going to find anything in Helsinki. I would rather visit a coffe/bar close to the city center and take a 'no-cost' Finnish girl to the hotel. Finnish girls believe that they don't need men, except when it comes to sex.

Aslan Kral

Vegamars

06-01-04, 17:16

Yeah,Finnish girls would turn you on or the girls in Alaska and the North Pole are even better,definitely worth trying.

Aslan Kral

06-02-04, 11:19

Istanbul deal is getting better with every visit. After a month, I visited Istanbul last weekend and had sex with 7 different women within 48 hours. 2-3 hours sessions with each of them, I was completely exhausted and think I wouldn't need sex for a few weeks.

1-) Connections again proved their value, 3 of the gals were new, 2 of them amateur, 1 pro. I was completely satisfied with the new ones.

2-) This is hard to believe, but one of the amateurs didn't even request any money and I did not pay her. This was a lady, 35-40 years age, but had the best natural breasts I ever sucked and fucked in my entire life. I kept asking her, how she preserved them over these years. It was unbelievable. I will keep seeing those in my dreams for some time.

3-) Out of 7, I only regretted having sex with 1. I paid her 100USD for 2 hours, but she wanted to leave after 1 hour. I still tried to be nice because she later arranged me another girl.

4-) Average price was around 80 euro for 2-3 hours, including taxi. One Turkish lady mentioned about the real prices for herself and other gals; 40USD for 1 hour, 100USD for the night, but my situation, she said, was special because I kept fucking the lady for 2-3 hours, mostly nonstop and it would be fair that I pay more than the usual. All of the ladies were nice and never complained. I think, some of them were using female version of the Viagra, they seemed happy and achieving the orgasm 2-3 times during the course.

5-) I spotted a stunner on the street around Topkapi, and would ask her for a ride, but she was with 2 other gals and I was not 100% sure if she was in the business. The dress somewhat implied that she was in the business, but it was daytime and I could not risk it.

6-) Except one gal, others were not in a hurry, had to even ask some of them to leave, very gently of course. For one gal last day, we had agreed for 2 hours, but the fucking went for 2.5-3 hours and I had finished once, didn't want to finish a second time, so that I would have strength and willingness to pound the next lady.

7-) One of the amateurs that I liked very much, will leave the city soon. She said she is making 400USD per month in her regular job and doesn't like it much. She said if I pay her more than that amount she would come and stay with me. I explained my situation to her that I visit Istanbul once in a month and would love to relocate here, but that's not possible at this time. Boy, I would wanna have her as a mistress under my control. She is not a pro, doesn't suck, but likes having long sex, have awesome body. This would also open a window for unprotected/more enjoyable sex. She said she would stay with me as a housewife, also handling cleaning and cooking. It is just too bad that I won't have her next time when I visit. Consider that; you are going to pay several hundred bucks per month to have the complete and disposable package.

Now, I have to wait for another month or 2 before another visit. Go back to London, Munich, Paris, Helsinki or another lousy European city, wake up at 6:30 every morning, work until 7PM, go back to hotel room, kill time, go to bed, visit one of the cities for sightseeing over the weekend which doesn't mean anything to me (just another sport to kill weekends). Life is not fair.

If you ask Turkish guys working in Istanbul, they want to relocate to NewYork or London or another place in Western world, and I keep telling them there is nothing in NewYork or London if you know what I mean.

Be warned, sex is dangerously addictive.

Aslan Kral

Zeybek

06-03-04, 03:53

Aslan Kral,

You are so right. I get that all the time when I get back to Turkey. They are so envious of the fat, arrogant, brick-mannered, American women of New York and generally USA. In the meantime, surrounding them are the sexiest, most elegant, and feminine women on the planet. Well, they are really just idiots for thinking that.

When I go to Turkey I feel like I am the King. Not because I take out my money and flaunt it, and not because of the hobby. That's just the way you are. I am back in US, and I am pretty much nothing. It is sad.

I think it's better to live one week as a rooster in a small hen house than a chicken in a big one.

:)

Right on!!

Me Idiot

06-03-04, 11:56

FYI.

Big Pub Disco
Mustafa Kemalpasa Caddesi No 19
Aksaray District, Istanbul
Tel: (0212) 529 59 47

Cost of drink, nuts, etc (an entrance fee): 17,000,000 lirasi (US$11)

Big Pub is a no pressure environment.

SexyMiky

06-04-04, 01:14

Fellow mongers,

Beware of Tiffany's night club in Nichantach 20 minutes taxi ride from the Holiday Inn in Istanbul.

Although mentioned before guys stay away from Pimps proposing woman for sex, my two friends went along for the pimps promises, went with him to Tiffany's Night club, in seconds the waiter brought appetizers and Champaign without them ordering.

Tiffany "s had Model type Russian woman, but they were not available for take out, they were presented with a $1,500.00 bill they were forced to stay until bill is paid
they were forced to stay until bill is paid.

After two hours negotiation they went Down to $1,000.00 they paid and left .

Inostranets

06-04-04, 04:11

Hey can people help me out with a few questions here, well 2 actually.

Firstly what does 2 hours mean, because once I got the impression it means as much sex as can be fit into two hours in a bedroom (trust me I'm young and don't need to take any shit to accomplish that) or is it two "rounds" if you know what I mean.

Secondly, what is the rough going price for these two hours at Iramk these days, its been a while. Anyways thanks I'll give an update of my experiences when I have them.

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Inostranets

06-04-04, 04:13

Oh oops, did I mention I'm fed up with the shit bar scene? Does anybody have some proper good CIS girl contacts so I could cut that part out of the experience if possible!

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Big Bro AJ

06-04-04, 20:42

Two hours various from girl to girl. You have to mention what you want clearly.

For some girls two hours mean two rounds,you just buy two rounds of sex. You have to pay more for than two rounds.

For others two hours mean time, you buy her time. In two hours you can do as much as you can.

By the way stay away from Taksim-Nýsantasý bars and clubs. For hobbing Bacardi,Seranda are the best place ýn Aksaray.

Don't forget when you have the girls for couple hours, they ask you to finish it quick, cause they have to go back to club and look around for new guys.

Be safe

Vegamars

06-05-04, 12:28

You think there are any women in the States at all?? You must be nuts!!
Two hours in Istanbul means one and a half tours,if you know what I mean,so it's much more sensible to negotiate till 10-11 in the morning which costs $100 in Irmak and $200 in Bacardi these days.

Big Bro AJ

06-05-04, 23:33

I have been hobbing enough to know what's going on in states and Turkey.

I spent hours with different women in Houston,NY, New Orleans and other major cities. Always 2 hours meant 2 hours. Sometimes I did two rounds, sometimes 3 rounds in 2 hours long period.

Even in Istanbul with Bacardi and Seranda girls, I clearly mention them 2 hours mean not the rounds, it means the time.

I hope you will find such girls.

Big Bro AJ

06-07-04, 16:00

You better check [Deleted by Admin] and [Deleted by Admin] for hobbing.

[Deleted by Admin]

Nevada and Texas Brothels are better than the one's in Europe.

Chicken and Bunny ranch, Escape Houston, Julianyc in NYC some places you may find beautiful women for fun.

Everything is up to your budget and capability of research.

American women good for GFE and hang around. Russian women good for sex. Turkish women talk too much but at least open to Greek.

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Vegamars

06-07-04, 20:31

I've checked out Big Pub and Irmak very recently.The atmosphere of Big Pub was so disturbing that I could only stand it for 15 min.Its not worth trying anyway because it's full of older women and you can barely find any special younger types.
To my surprise Irmak was full of 25-30 girls including some new remarkable ones on Sunday night as compared to just 8-10 guys.
I ended up with a new Moldovan and settled for $50 for a full 2hrs without any limits.The best time to hang out there is just about 10.30-11 p.m. I'll certainly be there again in a few days to test some other newbies and I'll check out Bacardi as well.

Inostranets

06-07-04, 23:05

Hi,

You said you were recently in Irmak? I think i might head down there some time this week when the boredom of lazing around at home kicks in.Was just wondering what prices you were quoted by different girls and their quality. Also what times are the best. I'm a student not some wealthy monger here for a few days with loads of cash so I have to make sure the little I have is spent well, as in all honesty the whole whoring thing is only worthwhile if you are fucking girls above your average pulling level, or I might as well be fucking the uptight ugly english bitches in uni for free haha.

Anyhow thanks.

CBGBConnisur

06-08-04, 03:14

I prefer the darker skinned Hispanic looking Turkish women, they are the most attractive and most sexual. The "Greek" Turkish women just don't interest me much and they tend to be too Westernized.

Vegamars

06-09-04, 08:07

I'm going to Irmak everyday nowadays cause the quality has increased lately with a larger selection of girls.If they(especially Romanians) see you're a stranger they'll try to quote $80 for 2hhrs and $150 for the night,but never ever pay more than $50 for 2hrs and $90 for the night and don't forget to negotiate for the duration of stay beforehand,like the full 2hrs or 10-11 o'clock in the morning.The ideal time to settle for all is when the crowd is less,like between 10.30-11 p.m or 1.30-3.30 a.m
The girls there always tell me they do something special about the prices for me and in return I tell them I'm also special in making them fly and feel different.
I wouldn't even mind about the English chicks even if they proposed to pay me in return.

Local Expert

06-09-04, 10:49

Sexymiky,

If you had read the entire Turkey section before you came to Istanbul, you would have noticed the warnings about these bars / clubs / pavyons. They are only tourist traps and you will NEVER get laid there! Stay in Aksaray & Laleli and go to the places mentioned on this board. A "pimp" who stops you on the road and tells you he knows a place with great chicks is ALWAYS an asshole in Turkey !

That is not only valid for niþantaþý, but especially for taksim!

Local Expert

06-10-04, 07:47

hmmmm... so I am the donkey now for not having read your report properly :-))))

Vegamars

06-10-04, 16:00

I was in Irmak disco again last night from 11p.m till 2p.m
I can tell you that the atmosphere is getting better and better everyday with the no of girls exceeding the guys all the time.You can feel that girls are looking around more because not all have the chance to work everyday,so it's easier to make eye contact and feel the general impression before inviting a girl for negotiation.In my opinion it's much better not to talk about how far you can go beforehand.There's no need to limit yourself!! Just feel relaxed and make the girl feel comfortable,the rest is as smooth as ice.
Some remarkable girls come in the disco section only after 1.30 a.m and I think they wanna be less noteciable by coming when there's not so much crowd.It's always a good idea to hang out there between 1.30 a.m and 3.30 a.m if you're looking for surprises.
I spotted a new brunette of 1.72-1.73m with a great face,slim and proportioned body who looked like Moldovan but was actually Romanian.She was 29,but definitely she looked like 22-23.It was one of my greatest experiences for a short time like 2-3hrs and she was the best Romanian girl I've ever met for both personality and performance.She took my hand from the first minute and never left till the last second.She told me all about her life and what's most important of all she was smiling all the time we were together.I learned that she's not been in Istanbul for the last 5 years and was back for a visit to one friend for just 4days.We settled for 2hrs,but she was willing to stay for 3hrs after 2a.m even though she promised her friend to be back in a short time.We started by going to shower together and did everything we could possibly do.She had perfect natural breasts and one of the greatest asses I've ever seen,too perfect to be real.I got her Romanian no just after half an hour and I'll certainly call her to find a way to meet again very soon.
It's almost impossible to to encounter such an experience in Bacardi eveb though you pay 3 times more!! After last night I'm certain about one thing--anything can happen in Irmak disco,just like a miracle.

Inostranets

06-10-04, 16:18

well i popped down to aksaray on wednesday keeping the prices i had in been advised in mind. i got 60 for two hours but she was quite a good looking girl and we were chatting in russian for a while. however when she learned that i had brought a car and that i wanted to go to my place not a hotel she was much less willing. i dunno maybe she thought i was going to take her to a party where she' d get gang raped or something, or maybe its because theyre all hand in hand down there and she has a hotel which pays her for brining punters, which is often the case. eventually i convinced her to come with the promise of using the pool and sauna. having overcome that hurdle i had to convince some opportunist that i knew the laws of turkey and certainly didnt have to pay him 20million for parking the jeep on the road next to his restaurant. eventually i got out of that dump that is aksaray and enjoyed the fruits of my labour. she even stayed for much more than two hours which was a first but then it was the first time i used the house and not a hotel as nobody else was at home. does anybody know of a tochka style "drive in" in istanbul like they have in russia, they seem to be much less hassle and more straightforward way of doing business.

hi,

this is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.

i appreciate the details in your report, but i know from experience that a lot of people find it very difficult to read a report that is written as one long block of text. it's kind of like trying to eat an entire steak in one bit.

i know how this happens: you're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. however, if you could hit the return key every few sentences while you're writing, and thus break your report into smaller paragraphs, your report would be much easier to read and would certainly be appreciated by your fellow forum members.

thanks,

jackson

Innaser

06-10-04, 19:39

Hi Vegamars,

As someone is currently in Istanbul could u please let us know if Seranda is still closed? What's the going rate in the area? Has the going rate in Bacardi gone down yet as rich Turks have taken most of the girls down to south to the seaside increasing the competition in Istanbul if u've been there recently?

Thnx

Vegamars

06-12-04, 09:25

I visited Irmak last night again at 12.30 a.m,hoping to see my lovely brunette again.Guess what,she ran to me smiling in just 10 minutes and I was lucky enough to be back in the hotel in 15 minutes because I couldn't wait any longer for a wonderful time.We got crazy till early morning and she didn't even mention about money till the end,but I felt like I should give her 50 bucks.
In comparison to Irmak or Bacardi,the atmosphere of Serenda is very compelling and disturbing.You can feel it on every spot including the girls' minds and eyes.You're sort of trapped in hotel and not allowed to go anywhere else.It's not worth trying at all,but if you still insist it must be open nowadays.
The prices quoted in Bacardi never change and if the girl understands you're a foreigner or stranger,she will surely try to get as much benefit as possible like $250-300 for 2hrs and $400 for the night.The minimum you can get down for the real good ones will be $150 for 2hrs and $200 for the night,whether it's the summer or winter.This is also due to the unusual very slow increase of about 25% increase of the dollar and euro rates in Turkey over the last 2years.I think in a couple of months the rates will start to rocket up again and only after that there can be chances of negotiating for $100 for 2hrs in Bacardi and just $30 in Irmak.
For the average girls in Bacardi you should give it a hard try to settle for as low as $120 for the night though.The trick for persuading is to go slowly for it and act at thejust right moment.

Hedonist

06-12-04, 20:18

Vegamars,

I definitely agree with you on Seranda. I also have been to Irmak a few times.

Last winter, one afternoon I met the most beautiful girl I ever had in Istanbul. It was as early as 3pm, however, having said this, I generally find the selection at Irmak in the afternoons below par. Irmak has three different sections. As far as I know, in during the day only the little restaurant is open. Then there is another cafe kind of place which opens in the evening. Finally, they have the disco which start to get going around 11pm. In the disco you can see girls dancing, which is an advantage, so I usually go upstairs. But then again some guys hang out downstairs in the cafe. Where do you usually hang out? Can you compare cafe vs disco?

Vegamars

06-12-04, 20:31

On the first floor in Irmak there's live Turkish music at nights and the second floor is the disco section.I've always been talking about the disco part.
Though the girls rotate around first and second floors,some top quality surprise ones appear all of a sudden only on the disco section after 1.30 a.m. when the crowd is a little bit dispersed and not so disturbing for them.
The atmosphere of the disco is much more inviting than the restaurant and live music parts and besides you'll always have your own private table in the disco where you can feel relaxed.

Vegamars

06-13-04, 20:36

A little hint for the beginning: 0536 7290283
Kristina,a stunning Moldovan blonde from Bacardi,172cm,55kg,23 years old,150 bucks for 2hrs and 200 for the night
Say you got the number by chance from Venus!!

Vegamars

06-14-04, 21:34

An Ukrainian chick from Bacardi
brown-haired,173cm,54kg,22 years old
0535 2145573
Julia

...... many more to come just at the right time

Gamma Ray

06-16-04, 21:32

I'll be visiting Istanbul in a few weeks and wonder if there are any striptease places where I could take my boss and not get financially reamed? I don't suppose that fully nude stripping is part of the Istanbul scene, but any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Gamma

Zagor

06-17-04, 15:02

Hi guys, long time was not typed here.

Here last reports;

Last nite I was in Seranda one more time. It is opened and business continue the same except less buyers and a lot girls choices nowadays. There almost 40 - 45 girls (Half of them dancing and the rest was sitting on the tables around dancing platform. Mens (buyers) number around 20 - 25 included me the hours 24:00pm midnite time. Girls range were very young, childish faced girls, just teenage from multinationality slovenia, moldavian, Russian, Romanian, Bulgarian etc. Alona was 23 years old, 48 kilos and 1.73 size an Moldavian Baby face, thiny girl we did everything on the bed just 3 hours (gf style), still remember as a happy face when I was leaving from the seranda's Door to take a taxi back to home. I paid 3 hours for $100.00 USD. There are a lot new comers girls nowadays in istanbuls. I know because NATO conference days will be start soon a lot westerners will come and visit istanbul. So what is for sex and ladies.

Happy hunters,

Zagor

Zinger Burger

06-20-04, 10:22

Last night I went to Irmak at 12.30 am. The selection on the first floor and disco too was very poor. About 4-5 babes on each floor.

I spoke to a nice beauty. She had arrived in Istanbul few days ago. She told she was going to Antalya on a tour. I told her that I am a foreigner living in Istanbul hence I can take her to my house. She refused. She would only go to the nearby hotel. Subsequently I tried in 2 others, they too refused.

I was pissed off and then went over to Bacardi. I hooked up with a Ukrainian beauty, Elena. Fantastic body. Agreed for $200 for the complete night at my house and @0 Million for taxi. She promised to leave at 9 in the morning. I made everything clear to her, BBBJ and sex with condom. I treated her very well. We had some vodka together. I offered her food. We kept talking about our lifes for about a hour or more. Things were going quite nice as anticipated. She seemed to be very comfortable and enjoying. Then she refused to shower with me. Completely mechanical in bed. Refused BBBJ. Only covereed BJ she said. I was pissed off. After 1 shot I told her to leave. Which she happily did. I dont think I would be good to these girls. and would not go to Bacardi again.

Vegamars

07-01-04, 09:45

I checked out the situation in Serenda last night and was surprised to see the change in the atmosphere and quality in a good way.
The disco is not so compelling anymore and looks more like a modern club where you can dance together with 20-30 girls of all sort on the dance floor all the time and search for a suitable one.
The entrance fee is 20million and the good thing is that you can get along with this charge for all night without any pressure on you to order any extra drinks for yourself or all girls you talk to.
The action is betweeen 10.30 p.m and 4a.m and though the place seems full of guys,the hunting ratio is only 10% and most guys even on the dance floor are only there simply to feel the atmosphere.
The trick is to visit such places during the second half of any month when most guys have run out of money and can't just afford the whole action.Especially if you're there at the end of a month with enough means,you'll fell like the richest and most powerful guy in the surroundings.
Just take your time to make enough research around and on the dance floor and try to enjoy the music and atmosphere.
Watch out the girls who've danced for a long time and looking around with desperate eyes under the smiling face.These are the girls you can easily negotiate with.
The outgoing price is $100 for two shots and $70 for one shot(though not all girls go for it),but you can knock it down to $75 and $50 respectively with some confident persuasion and luck.
The way you approach a girl,the way you talk and the way you treat her is very important for her to like you and accept your offer.
You can even negotiate for one round and change her mind afterwards for two and more without having to pay any extra.The feelings of a girl are always important,whether she's a pro,semi-pro or non-pro,so what you get in return always depends on how you act.
As usual most Romanians pretend to be Moldovan because of the bad reputation around(though there are certainly exceptions to this),so when a girl teels you she's Moldovan,keep in mind she could be Romanian also.You can only differentiate by experience and her general look.
At the end I picked up a slim Moldovan of 1.80m with a great face and perfect body.She asked for $100 for 3hrs at first,but I could easily knock it down to $60 in just 10seconds.
I learned that she's been in Istanbul for just 1week and from the first moment it was clearly a GFE,so I was very sure for the services I would get.
Of course I was right,as she seemed quite ralaxed and comfortable for everything including French kissing,blowjob and anal without any rush.
I can tell that the quality of Serenda is now as high as Bacardi with half prices.
I'll definitely get back there in a short time and give the newest reports.

Zagor

07-02-04, 12:34

Hi Wegamars,

I was there in Seranda last evening too. I must be saw you (probably) somewhere in there. I come in at 24:00pm was there (search girls) till 02.30am, then I get a Romanian gal went to my room at S. Hotel. Yes all details the same as you typed about Seranda atmosphere.

Seranda Hotel is still NR1 destination in istanbul cause a lot girls variety and service except hotel rooms weakness. Actually not too bed.

Romanian chick age was 25 years old, 170 meter around. I do not preffer Romanian girls (I know their reputation and worldwide history) but this time, I'm the chosed by the girl, She said lets go to room, Her attitute was like a GF stylish. My experiences shows me ý'm right and this time I get a fullfilly Romanian girl (firts time). She was soo cute, after get dush, she started BJ and normal way, after first break, as usual stories talked around life, been there? where? etc, Contrary many other girls who works Seranda Party area, she speak very well English an French.

Her name was Irina and also worked 6 months in Brussel. Only works in istanbul and never been in other resort beach cities in Turkey like Antalya, Alanya, Marmaris, or Bodrum etc.

So 1 hour later we started round 2 action, she was a bit recessive, baby face, hot and funny in the bed. So we finished around 04.00am. All covered 3 shoot $100.00 USD.

Her mobile; 05364916697

Atillaboy

07-02-04, 23:02

Local Expert and others

I have been reading the archieves of the past since quite a while now. no wonder I found no current info in the archieves. I wanted to share my experiences with the group since I believe I had a rough picture of the Istanbul scenery for the beginner.

First, local expert is quite right indeed. even if you speak Istanbul Turkish, and be a native you can get fucked up in the scene pretty fast.

Having been encountered by guys in street asked wether we needed a girl a few times, whilst I was residing in Istanbul, I read quite a few stories of bars in Taksim you will get charged ridiculous amounts.

Previous experience with a local pimp named Alex also got ruined. The guy thought I was a cop or stg and first arranged a meeting and fucked up everything, before I left Istanbul for good.

Anyway on my summer vacation in July 2003, when I paid a visit to the Turkish Liason office of the company I work for, I asked the guys where to check out for somefun. The only suggestion made to me was Bacardi, and having read a few good lines on it, I took off.

It was a Thursday night or stg, and I got in Bacardi. In July 2003 A Dollar was about 1.3 million liras, and as far as I can understand this was too low for the locals. (too bad I earn in dollars). I got in through stairs and 40-60 girls were dancing. without knowing much I only had 300-350 dollars with me and no cards. (Knowing that in US and EU they find a way of overcharging a card).

At Bacardi Scene, the first blonde asked for 250 dollars for the night, then there was a second girl who asked for 150 for a time (what the hell is that) and finally third girl asked for 150 for the night. (I must admit I called the waiter at the end telling him that I have not more cash to pay the bill for another girl and this third girl should be below 200 or I am to leave immediately).

So I ended up paying 100 million liras - (75 USD) at Bacardi (after three girls) and 150 USD for the girl and 50 USD for the Hotel. The part that bothered me was that the whole scene was set up and the taxi on the way overcharged me *like 20 USD for a distance of a few meters*. Despite agreement for overnight the Ukranian woman *around 30* left at 4:00 AM , (boring but ok).

Every body in the cycle knows you are vulnerable asks for any small tip they can get. and even if you speak perfect language etc. does not matter.

Ok here s my input so far. Sharing numbers is good in this database since a girl would be a lot cheaper without the whole scenery and cycle of people. and just the girl.

"Unfortunately I trashed the girls number since none of my friends were interested but sharing here is great.

And finally may somebody please post where is Irmak and Serander? Are they in Mustafa Kemal Pasa Caddesi as well?

Vegamars

07-03-04, 08:49

I think not knowing the outgoing prices may cause you a lot of trouble.Even $2 would be too high for the taxi and people trying to harass you doesn't necessarily mean you've gotto obey.Not knowing the language is not a disadvantage,on the contrary it gives you the benefit of unnecessary communication and arguments.
The trick is to make people believe you know the prices pretty well and you're not willing to be decieved in any way.Even if you don't know anything,pretend to go straight for the min like one third of the first quoted figure.
By reference of the location of Bacardi,Irmak is just 50m inside from the other side across the street past the traffic lights just in front of the entrance of Bacardi(1min of walking)
Serenda,on the other hand,is located on the opposite side,so you've gotto walk past the front door of Bacardi past McDonald's and 7up,take the right turn just after the police station and walk straight ahead without any turn past a few streets for about 200m till the end of the road and you'll see Serenda as the last building on the left just before the steep stairs in front of you.(5min of walking)

Innaser

07-03-04, 10:09

AtillaBoy,

As you said Bacardi comes ridicously expensive at the end of the day comparing to Seranda. I always go for Seranda because of less expenses. Girls in Bacardi quote quite highly which keeps them okay for a longer while than girls in Seranda even if they don't have any job everyday. What I noticed about girls, Romanian or Moldovan girls quote less than Russian, Ukranians most of the time.

You have got to search detaily and find desperate ones, it will cost you in Bacardi but not in Seranda. In Seranda you can talk to girls directly with no extra cost on the dance floor and take them to upstairs which is the best thing I like with Seranda. But it used have very forceful, oppressive atmosphere in there that reminds me my service days in army. Waiters are like assigned to destroy your defence by their look in to your eye and at your drink, kind of asking ''When the **** are you gonna finish your drink so I'll serve the next one?''. Funny enough, they didn't charge me any peny at my last visit though and I was very suprised. I think this is because I asked something non-alcoholic and I left 10 mil. for tips.

But if it has got better from this respect these days as Vegamars says I can't wait to visit there again.

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Vegamars

07-05-04, 09:43

I was in Serenda again on Saturday night. This time it was much more crowded, not just because it was a Saturday night but also the beginning of the month.

Most guys just sit at the table in groups just looking around, which means they don't have any intention or chance of picking up girls. It's also apparent from the fact that the hotel is mostly empty and you don't wait at all after checking in.

The interesting thing is that there are also some good looking girls who are there only for sitting at the tables and having drinks.
They don't intend for any action cause you're not allowed to talk to girls at the tables at all.

I guess they're just there since they like the atmosphere and music.

The selection was wide and satisfactory again. I ended up with a slim Romanian blonde of 175cm height, pretty face and blue eyes,who didn't look like Romanian at all.

She asked for 70 bucks for 1hr, but quickly agreed to 40 and we stayed together for about 2hrs, so this is my new strategy,to go for 1 hr and take advatage of the extended time.

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Big Bro AJ

07-05-04, 14:41

Has anyone know anything about the strippers or dancers for house parties? I heard, there are some online agencies in which girls offer full service.

Aj

Peckerboy

07-08-04, 00:12

Gentlemen,

This is my first report so please bear with me. Ý have been travelling to Turkey on or off for five years now, but two years ago I bought a house in istanbul and started living with a Turkish girl, unfortunatly it did not work out. But the story is I met a new friend (male) who has indroduced me to many free/small money Turkish girls, mainly bored house wifes/divorcee's who love some action. And boy I can tell you they are hot women, my current favourite is a 32 year old divorce'e lovely body and dark dark skin and all I pay is her electric and telephone bill every month and the fucking is on tap. Ý just call and she drops everything and comes. The point that I am trying to make is, that if you befriend a good Turkish man he will do all the work for you as mine has done for me. And then when you visit Turkey in the future you should have a good supply of free or almost free sex at all times. Anyway good luck to you all in whatever you do.

Peckerboy

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CBGBConnisur

07-08-04, 22:36

I am in Rio De Janeiro, and have been here for the 36 hours so far, there is no way in HELL that Turkish women could compare to Brazilian women. The top 2 percent of Turkish ladies in Istanbul and Ankara would barely make it to the top half of Brazilian women, in reality they would only barely be above the bottom on third of Brazilian women in terms of beauty, raw sexuality, and overall desirability. If you get to see the daily parade of beautiful female flesh in Rio de Janeiro, you will realize it too. I picked up a PERFECT Italian Brazilian, and paid only $R200(or 65US Dollars) for a fine evening.

Some European moron on this board was saying that Turkish women are better than Brazilian and Argentinian women. NO FUCKING WAY!!!
This is a website for an agency in Southern Brazil, take a look at the fine women and drool, see if you can get the same level of women in Turkey for 65 US dollars.
http://www.classisex.com.br/

I will admit that Brazil has a lot more crime than Turkey but if you're smart, you will avoid a lot of trouble.

Vegamars

07-09-04, 07:44

Of course, there's nothing so special about Turkish women, except that they think they're the most beautiful unreachable sex goddesses of the universe.
However, there's a slight difference between Istanbul and SA, i.e. you have the chance and potential( though a slight one) of finding a girl from any country including Brazil for free, though I doubt you can be so lucky in SA even if you're ready to pay a high amount.

Local Expert

07-09-04, 08:09

CBGB... what a nice surprise to have you back in our little corner, I hope this time your messages and their follow-ups won't be deleted by Jackson :-)

Thank you very much for enlightening us about the Brasilian talent, I am very sure, all of us hear this for the first time. Why don't we ask Jackson to close all sections of the WSG except the Brazilian one, as all the other girls in the world are not worth shagging... in your respected opinion :-)

Not all of us have the opportunity to travel our planet as much as you do, so we have to stick to our local talent, and .... I don't think we, here in Turkey, regret that too much.

As we had a similar discussion in the past, beauty is always discussable. Everyone knows that Brasilian chicks are certainly among the top-three in the world (if not even the best), but when I check the pics in the Argentina section, I have doubts that I will ever cross the border south if I will make it to Brazil once.

Allow me to attach the reason why :-)
(I quote from the "Argentina-photo-section")

CBGBConnisur

07-09-04, 14:00

Local Expert, you're a [Deleted by Admin], Brazil isn't South of the Border.

The MAJORITY of Turkish women are hideous, with big butts and black teeth. Sure there might be a few attractive exotic ones, but they're only 2 percent of the female population. Where are the photographs of these beautiful Turkish women? Most of the ones that are good looking are always of mixed backgrounds.

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Vegamars

07-09-04, 16:55

A litle reminder to all who are off the topic:

The center of discussion on this particular forum has never been and can never be Turkish girls, as Istanbul is one of the few metropolitans of the world with girls from all nations and mainly from EE.

Hence, I propose a new board for those involved:

The Probability of Finding Turkish Girls in SA ??

Hedonist

07-09-04, 16:58

I felt the necessity two add my two cents:

1) I agree: Turkish girls are high maintanence and hard to get into bed in general. Their approach to sex is very different; much more conservative compared to Russians, Western Europeans etc, but once they give themselves to you they are very passionate. Don't forget after all Turkey is still a Middle Eastern country and I guess women around this part of the world behave this behave. Thet have to be hard to reach.

In the company of a Russian girl, if you feel the right chemistry, you can just go and stand up in front of her, unzip your flyer and command her to suck you and she will obey (I am telling this based on real life experiences). Do the same with a Turkish girl, most likely you'll get slapped on your face :)

2) CBGBConnisur: You need to get treated man!

Big Bro AJ

07-09-04, 17:15

"Do the same with a Turkish girl, most likely you'll get slapped on your face" If you are lucky, you just survive with one slapp. What ever reasons you say that's a fact that it's easy to get laid with Russians. As long as you treat well each one of them turn into GFE.

Compare to Russians ýt's a little bit diffucult to get laid with Turkish girls, but it's not that hard as it sounds. The only problem is when you want to have sex with a real Turkish beauty you have to pay $150-$200 for two rounds or two hours. You may always find TR gilrls for $30-$40, but the service and the quality will not satify.

Anyway it's summer time let's have party.

Safe sex to all

Big Bro AJ

07-09-04, 23:22

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Vegamars

07-10-04, 09:04

How about your opinion of the BRAZILIAN HOOKERS IN ISTANBUL WITH BIG TITS,BIG BUTTS,BLACK SKINS,BIG BLACK PUSSIES AND BLACK TEETH???

By no doubt the sexiest ever to appear here.

I adore oversized dark-skinned sweaty Brazilian girls!!

BunnyHopper

07-10-04, 20:46

Beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.

What i like, you may not and what you like i may not. Isn't that true for everyone and everything ?

Let that be the last word and let peace reign.

Murilloa

07-10-04, 21:13

Let's just make three things quite clear:

1. Argentine women are the most beautiful and sexually accomplished on the planet. Of course this a general rule: there are ugly cows in Buenos Aires and gorgeous 10s in Almaty - but perfect pussy per square kilometer, there's no way to beat BA.

2. We can't all travel regularly to Argentina, or wherever we imagine paradise to be.

So,

3. We enjoy the places where we happen to be - in my case Lisbon, in yours, Istanbul - and we report happily and uncompetitively on the good action we find.

So don't criticise each other: and keep reporting.

Happy fucking,
Murilloa

Vegamars

07-10-04, 22:16

Why do you seem so bothered about the GENERALIZATION of Brazilians, while you are so content to GENERALIZE about every nation you are not aware of?

You don't even know Istanbul is not only Aksaray and that area is only 1% of the whole scene?!!

You can't even imagine Istanbul is one of the few cosmopolitans of the world??!

You don't even have an idea that there's no single country in the world ( including Argentina, Brazil, Thailand, China, Korea, Egypt, India, Australia,etc ) that you cannot encounter the women of in Istanbul, whether on the pro or non-pro scene.

You can't understand why 3 million tourists from more than 100 countries visit Istanbul and 10 million visit Turkey each year!

You don't have the slightest idea that about 250000 foreigners from at least 50 different countries live in Istanbul and most of them spend the rest of their lives there for the expense of having to live with lower rights( !!! ???? )

These are all statistical facts, no comments added or needed.

Just a little bit more knowledge, common sense and research can cure everything.

Zeybek

07-11-04, 00:49

Exposing the Hoax Called CBGBConnisur

Ok, I really did not want to do this. But CBGB when you posted the pictures of those Turkish girls with turbans I had no other choice but to share this personal e-mail you had sent to me in our discussions about Turkish Women a few months before:

Turkish Women in Europe and Australia

Hey bro,

Did you make any plans to visit Australia anytime soon? With regards to meeting women its definitely a world above what is available in New York.

Though your story about your friend and the investment consultant really confirmed a suspicion I had about dating women in the US. I found that your friend's choice of a husband was quite shocking, not because of politics or cultural issues, but because the scenario sharply contrasted with my encounters with the Turkish women in Germany, where the women would date you for you, and that exocitism factor doesn't work with them, the women there keep it real, and that's impressive considering that Germany is really whitebread(the country is 97 percent white). In fact a lot of Europeans I have known are jealous that I score with Turkish women in Europe left and right while they can't get to first base. A lot of the Turkish women(over 90 percent) in Europe will date a Turkish guy or a guy from a similar cultural background but anyone else is going to have a tough time getting anywhere with these women.

I guess the dating game is really screwed up in the US where its all about money and people forget who they are when money, especially a large amount of money is involved.

You must be wondering why I have such an interest in Turkish woman, well I am part Turkish myself. If you're looking for Turkish women in Australia, your chances of finding one are a lot better here than in New York, there is actually quite a large community here, and its a lot bigger than the one in the US relative to the population(100,000+ out of 20 million in Australia versus 120,000 out of 300 million in the USA, though the real size of the community might be larger). Especially in Melbourne and Sydney, there are a lot of women in both places. There are women even hotter than the one in the photo that I sent you.

Ok Here is also a link you had sent me of a very Sexy Turkish Girl in Australia:

And this is the picture of the Turkish Australian woman, Yasemin, that I was talking about:
http://www.missnudeaustralia.com.au/g/2000/2000_086.jpg

Now, I am confused, where exactly do you stand?

Big Bro AJ

07-11-04, 11:49

You are talking about Brazilian escorts and compare them with EE and Turkish women, but you are showing the pic.s of ordinary women. They are not escorts.

If you want to compare them than you have to show the escorts in both parts.

Here is a Turkish girl Simge. She is a student and an escort girl. She is a stunner and looks more real than yours.

Big Bro AJ

07-12-04, 17:02

Dear friends,

Since my last post I have been taking so many PM about Simge. Unfortunately till september she will be in Antalya. It's not proper to give her number while she is not in town.

As soon as she is in town I will let you know by PM and send you the necessary info.

Be safe

Yannis40

07-14-04, 21:55

Allow me to present a very bad experience for your awareness.
Just arrived in Ist and instead of visiting Aksaray and Seranda as usual I thought I should give a try to the Turkish professionals mentioned in the previous days.

I have started calling blind from the list. Most of the numbers were not in operation. Another lady as soon as she realised I was not talking Turkish she ceased the conversation.

Finally one replied, namely Berya (not mentioning the number just to avoid the promotion, which is not worth). Having difficulties to communicate in English we agreed for her to visit me in my 5* Hotel located centrally.

She wanted 200 Euros or USD, I have insisted for only 100 E.

With a 45 min delay 2 ladies, which I would rate below 5. Not thin, not the "beautiful" meditereanian lady, which I have imagined. Two far below average, looking as "housewifes" between 25 -30 years old.

Again they asked 200 E for "group sex". I refused and proposed 100. Then I asked them to leave giving 10E for taxi. Instead of living, they of course accepted my offer for 100E for "group sex" as they claimed. We agreed and then:

They opened the minibar and actually wanted to take everything away. I manage to stop them with only 4 items.
They started asking for additional Taxi money.
While trying to hug, one of them picked from my pocket the rest of my money, which she then returned back to me !

You may understand that I was not very happy.

We lied on the bed and in less than 5 minutes the one wanted me to complete !

I thought let's try the other one. Surpise ! She presented to me a hand tissue with blood spots and claimed, while she was in my bath suddently period arrived !

I was so unhappy that I asked both of them to leave, which withot many complaints they have done.

Concluding, if yiu can not secure a top level Turkish lady, which will be for sure very expensive, then the tradiotional EE ladies can provide far better company.

Tomorrow, I will visit Seranda to break even.

Big Bro AJ

07-15-04, 05:47

Sorry about the bad experience, as I posted the numbers please except this number as an apology.

26 years old Ceyda. face 7/10 body 8/10 sex 7/10

$100 for two rounds...she lives in kadýkoy but alsoshe has a place at atakoy. She is really popular in both places. She is open to Greek.

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Aslan Kral

07-15-04, 08:31

I would say, as long as you don't speak any Turkish, you would be an easy target. You need to go through connections (other ladies you had sex with) or Turkish friends who can convince the lady to come to your hotel room and behave nicely with the customer. Otherwise, as a 'foreigner', reasonable chance, you wouldn't get what you wanted.

I didn't have any problem with Turkish ladies except one who always wanted to finish earlier. But still, we were in good terms and she arranged me lots of other girls when I was in Turkey. I was paying her 20-50M TL extra for each lady she was bringing. Once you have sex with the lady and like her, you can ask her phone number. If the gal is married or genuinely amateur, she would hesitate giving you her phone number. This happened to me a few times, and the lady had to call me to 'schedule' herself for the next visit.

Once, we scheduled a date with one of these ladies in 1 month advance and she called me exactly at the scheduled time. She was truly amateur and I couldn't get near to her cell phone. I was paying her 100USD per 2-hour session and she never complained about long-fucking sessions. What I am trying to say is that 100USD (which is about 80-85E) is too much for a Turkish gal. These gals, if they work in a regular job, they would get a few hundred bucks a month, an that is the top. Most can get only 200-300USD per month. The miminum wage in Turkey comes to about 200-250USD per month, after taxes, so you can do the math.

Overall, I am more satisfied with Turkish girls than foreigners.

In summary, Turkish ladies can provide good quality of sex and companionship, however, as a foreigner, you would need some luck to get what you wanted, unless you go through other people to arrange the ladies.

I wish I were visiting Istanbul these days.

Aslan Kral

Spider916

07-18-04, 18:07

Hi Guys,

I will be traveling to IST next week.
Thanks to everybody for the great posts in this forum.
Could any of the ols IST hands confirm me that I should stick to the following locations:

- Hotel Seranda
- Baccardi
- Irmak
- and maybe BigPub or Gold Can?

What about the hotel Demirkoy mentioned some months ago? Is it still in operation?

Should I pay in Liras or Euros?

I will be staying in the rather posh Çiragan Palace Hotel Kempinski
on Çiragan Caddesi 32; Besiktas 34349 Istanbul. It's right on the Bosporus.

How far is that hotel to the above mentioned locations? Any action in or near that hotel?

I also would love to get some PMs with contact details of high class hookers(with photos if available) that would not look out of place in the Kempinski.

Thanks a lot guys.

Best Regards,

Strato

Mattador

07-19-04, 12:43

Fellow Mongers,

I think this is a first, an on-line report from Istanbul, thanks to GPRS.

Now in Gold Can, one of the few places reported to be in business early afternoon (now slightly past 2pm).

Around 15 girls, only 3 of whom I would rate over 7, no 10s though. And the rest 4 to 7.

Going rate quoted as 100million turkish lira ($60) for 2 hours/shots. A 25 year old blond Ukrainian, 1.70, slim. Willing to come to Holiday Inn. Very much interested in my little device (pun intended) as I scribble this message.

Will keep posting.

All the best,

Mattador

Till Dawn

07-20-04, 11:35

HÝ Guys,

Last night I had a great joy with one of the ukranien girls, and I think she's one of the best in Istanbul. Her name's Nicole and is about 175 cm long with nice body and perfect face. Anyone visiting to istanbul just PM me and let me give her phone number.

Go for it

TILLDAWN

Prince2

07-21-04, 00:30

Istanbul: Is it worth it?

I have trawled through all the posts and I am still not sure if this is a good place to go for just mongering. those of you that have been could you shed some light on the following:

Are the girls in general as good looking as the ones I would find in the clubs in Romania and Ukraine?

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Local Expert

07-21-04, 08:02

Prince 2:

It is difficult to answer your question, as I have too little info about yourself. If you are from Saudi-Arabia or the US :-), it is certainly worth coming to Istanbul just for mongering reasons, but in general, Turkey is not a classic sex destination.

If you have the chance to go directly to one of the CIS countries, you are better off doing that. For me personal, it is easier to screw CIS girls in Istanbul as I do not have all this visa hassle and can be there in 45 minutes by plane from Ankara.

If you want to combine your sexual activities with cultural ones, then I believe Istanbul is much more interesting as Bucharest, Kiev or Sofia are.

Vegamars

07-21-04, 08:31

As compared to Romania and other locations in Europe and US, there's no need to mention anything.
The top clubs and especially the natural atmosphere in Ukraine make up the top class scene and thus is quite difficult to compare to any other countries, but remember that you've got a very wide selection of girls in Istanbul from all sorts of countries like Bulgaria, Hungary, Czech Republic, Romania, Russia, Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Korea, etc and also opportunities in terms of freebies.
The only place that can be compared to Istanbul and Ukraine in some sort of way is Northern Cyprus.

Big Bro AJ

07-21-04, 11:56

Everything is related with your expectations. You can not find European or American style strip or cabaret clubs in Istanbul. However getting laid is definetly cheaper. Istanbul is not a red light city such as Hamburg, Amsterdam, HongKong.

If you have an opportunity to go to Russia and CIS, than that's the source you have to go.

Istanbul is a strange place, there are no strip clubs but it is easy to get laid, you may find girls and women from all over the EE.

By the way last night I met a chick with dick. Tall,slim D-cup boobs with little extra. $50 for 1 hour Greek and massage. http://su_sera.sitemynet.com Talkative,clean, sexy(7/10), horny if you are looking for someting different you may like it.

Have fun.

Postman76

07-21-04, 22:01

Hi guys,

Any escort service in Istanbul? I couldn't find in the web.

Postman96

Prince2

07-21-04, 22:28

Local expert:

Thanks for your input. for me being based in the UK I can travel quite easily to Romania or Istanbul. My only concern with bucharest is that there seems to be very limited p4p venues, whereas istanbul seems to have 3-4 places of ill repute. Yes I like to do the cultural trips but my main motivation for traveling would be the girls.

Prince2

07-21-04, 22:33

Vegamars,

Yes I guess you are right. Like most people I like variety but I have been spoiled by mongering in places like Spain, where there are many beautiful young EE chicks. I just did not want to travel all the way to Istanbul and find nothing I liked.

I have followed your threads on Northern Cyprus and I an tempted to try it. How does it compare to Istanbul in terms of quality and quantity of girls available?

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Big Bro AJ

07-22-04, 06:08

Guys,

Time to time I have been to N.Cyprus for mongering and gambling.

http://www.playboynightclub.com and http://www.imparatornightclub.com are the best places.

Instead of going to Spain, N.Cyprus, Romania, hang around in Istanbul. History, cheaper sex, great food and safety.

As Vegamars mentioned "a very wide selection of girls in Istanbul from all sorts of countries like Bulgaria, Hungary, Czech Republic, Romania, Russia, Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Korea, etc and also opportunities in terms of freebies."

It's summer time especially at the south and west coast full of Dutch, German, Brit and EE chicks.

There are no escort services, however there are lots of call girls and girls working for MAMAs. But you need good and reliable references.

Klitchkov

07-22-04, 06:56

Sorry guys.

Where is a talk about Turkish pussy? Did the Turkish girls stop fucking? Is that's why shemale offers came along? HE HE HE. Is there as usual about assfucking?

For Turkish babes do we have to go to Germany?

Local Expert

07-22-04, 07:31

Prince 2:

I don't think Spain is the place to go to, if you want to screw CIS girls. The only thing that gets spoiled in there, is your wallet.

Why would you want to spend 150 Euros / hour for a CIS chick in there ? For that money you can have a CIS girl in Istanbul for the entire night. On top of that, I personally believe Istanbul is probably the safest place in comparison to the EE alternatives.

You might be well advised to send "Bunnyhopper" a PM in order to get a clear answer whether Istanbul is worth it or not. As he is based in the UK as well, you might have common views.

A one week holiday in Istanbul including a different chick from Serenda every night, will definitely come to a third of the price you would spend for the same anywhere in Spain.

Vegamars

07-22-04, 08:13

The only places worth talking about in the world in place of Istanbul are Kiev and Northern Cyprus in terms of quality vs price vs variety.

Of course the cheapest and safest one is Lefkose and Girne in Northern Cyprus cause everything is under the government control.

The quality is quite high with a wide selection of the age group 16-25. If you know the best places and are patient enough, you can be amazed by the different shows that let you encounter with very fresh chicks. It's also possible to make a future connection for Istanbul.

Prince2

07-22-04, 22:45

Local expert / Vegamars,

Yes, Spain is expensive however the clubs have a high concentration of attractive girls, meaning I can always find one that I like. The atmosphere in the clubs is also a plus point: no pressure to buy drinks and you can mingle very freely with the girls. From what I have read the same does not hold true for the Istanbul clubs, however that is a minor point.

I think I will end up traveling to Istanbul during the 1st week of September. Are the club girls still around during this time?

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Prince2

07-22-04, 22:47

Big Bro AJ,

Thanks for the link even though its not my cup of tea!

John Randal

07-24-04, 10:29

I've seen today that no one added anything to the board.

Maybe because of time difference between Istanbul and your countries, we are reading and writing at different times.

Anyway, first of all, I apologize for the typing errors in my message; but considering its length (which I realized today), I believe you'll forgive those.

For those of you who will visit Istanbul, here are some little advices :

1.-) Irmak is the best place you can harvest crop. You will get the value of your money from the restaurant. You will not be robbed, or your bill will not be inflated. However, the quality of the girl is not guaranteed of course. This comes by experience.

2.-) Bacardi or Discos like that can be dangerous in financial terms. Be careful not to accept anything that you did not order. Even an innocent small dish of nuts can cost you up to 30$.

3.-) Girls of this market are the same girls. They go to Irmak at certain times (depending on their individual schedule, of course, not all of them go together), then they visit other places like Bacardi, Gold Can, etc...The discos are the last places they visit. Most of the time, they cannot find one goddam customer during the day and go to the disco at 22:00 or so. If this is the case, they may be both desperate, or greedy and angry towards life. For two reasons, I prefer daylight times for hunting : I have to be home by night, and it is the best fresh time for girls' moods. Besides you can have a good look at the girl in daylight.

4.-) Treat CIS girls like a lady. They may not want to go to dinner or lunch with you. Their time is money. But hold the chair for them, or open the taxi door for them. They will notice. Most of them are educated over highschool level. Believe me, they do value and rate your behaviour.

5.-) Do not ever go to OKYANUS (the Ocean in English), which is a little (200 m) upwards towards Taksim from Aksaray, on the right side after crossing the main road. They rob even their own native Turkish customers. Mafia like guys. The grils do not go out. they are there only to make you order drinks at ridiculous prices ($30 per glass of Coca Cola)

6.-) The Orange Hotel, which is only 50m. to the right, inside the street on which Mc Donald's is located at the corner, is cleaner and same price as Seranda or other Hotels. But the rooms are larger, more colorful. Their split A/C's work, and personnel do not inflate prices. I advice...

7.-) Most importantly, the price rate is : 50 $ for two hours, 100 $ for the night 23:00 - morning. Morning leaving time depends on how you have spent the night. If you cannot f*ck more than 4 times in one night, why pay $ 100 ? Get one 2 hour girl for 2 hours, sleep well, and then get another girl for another 2 hours.

8.-) I say, stick to one girl that you like most and try to call her every time. You'll be rewarded.

9.-) Restaurants other than Irmak, on that small street, treat their customers differently, in accordance with the greed of their bosses. I sat, the one just next to Irmak on the right is most dangerous, if you do not eat, but hunt. But it has better food. Irmak's food is no good, but you do not go there to eat, do you? The two restaurants on the right after Irmak, insist to send you to their contracted hotels and they are too much insistent at sending you to the hotel with the taxi that they will call (the Girl may not want to go with you, if you do not let them call the taxi). Be careful with that. The taxi price may cost you more than the girl. If you'll do a quick f*ck up to 2 hrs, remember, all the f*cking hotels of that region are within walking distance.

10.-) In fact, there are only 5 hotels that may worth taking your soft asses accustomed to comfort. The others stink. Here are the hotels that accept couples with a trade relationship, without question, in rank of room quality (remember, all of them has the same price 50 million TL - about 35$ for 2 hours, if you stay the night, the price is the same)

*.- Orange Hotel
*.- Grand Asiyan
*.- Koza Hotel
*.- Altinishik (Neighboring Seranda)
*.- Seranda

These are all located in an area within a walking distance of 5-10 min diameter. Ask anyone, they will show you.

They are all at most 3 star rated. Not like Holiday Inn or so. Thus, do not expect so much from these hotels. Just for clean f*cking, that's all.

11.-) For connoiseurs in dining, sight seeing, must-go places, just drop me a pm. It will be too long here to desribe all. But if you are planning an escape of say, more than 2 days (maybe with one of the ladies you picked up from Aksaray), I can advice paradises near and far from Istanbul, where our oney will worth every cent (or penny).

So long for now, pals...

Vegamars

07-25-04, 13:17

Actually the action is for the night cause the best looking girls don't even wake up till late evening and don't even join in till late night.

Though there's a wide range of choice and a few surprises in between in Irmak disco, the rotation of selection is a bit slow and there are too many Romanians who tend to be Moldovan.

It's more difficult to negotiate with the Romanians and they're too mechanical, unconsiderate and boring with a few exceptions, of which most are blondes.

From my statistical experience of a very wide range, I can tell that the odds of getting disappointed with a blonde is as low as 5%.

As opposed to Romanians, the Moldovan, Belarussian and Ukrainian girls are much more lively and easy to get along with. If they like you, you can immediately lower the price and extend the duration and quality of action.

Almost all will love to do the BBBJ without being asked and they will be happily willing to please you.

I've checked out Serenda again last night. Though the place seemed to be packed up on a usual Saturday night, the mongering to girls ratio was satisfactorily low as I expected.

Since the disco is open till 4-5 a.m it seems wiser to appear about 1.30 a.m so that it will be much easier to negotiate and to try out till early morning cause the girl won't have the opportunity to go back for another desperate hunt.

Another important factor is to hang on the dance floor long enough to see as many choices as possible. You cannot possibly make the best selection if you go with the first girl you talk to.

I ended up with an Ukrainian blonde of height 178cm, 20 years old and a perfect slim body and a very pretty face with blue eyes.
She asked for 100 bucks for 2hrs at the beginning, but of course I went straight down to 60, keeping in mind she was definitely worth much higher.

As expected she was perfect in service for a total of 3hrs till early morning.

As a comparison, I can tell you at once that if I had met her in Kiev, she could easily ask for 200 bucks for 2hrs and if in Moscow the min would be 300 without any objections.

I'll definitely meet her again in a few days without having to go to Serenda and pay the entrance fee of $15 for the weekdays and $18 for the weekends.

John Randal

07-26-04, 06:45

May God praise al oof us the energy to f*ck, Gentlemen,

In my previous message, I told you guys that I could'nt wait to see my new princess again. Her name was not Sonia, as I did not tell you with a little bir envy to save her just for myself. However, I did realize that I should tell her name and phone to all of you, thinking she needs customers and these customers should better be gentlemen, rather than anyone.

Anyway, her name is Jenia, (the girl who looks like Leatitia Casta), She's from Ukraine- Sivastopol. I will give her phone number if you ask for it with a PM.

I had her again this saturday, while my wife wasn't at home, though it was a wee bit risky. I told her at the phone that, this time I did not want to struggle with the rubberman, she said it's O.K. This time I picked her up from the corner of McDonald's and flew home in 20 minutes, thru the heavy Saturday traffic of Istanbul.

We had two rounds, which involved %75 oral, no anal. She did not like to ride on me (me lying down and she riding the "little me"). I noticed she something "inside". I think it was a spiral, I asked her; she said "yes"; but I was suspicious, because the touchy feeling was just at the entrance of her honey jar.

To Big Bro A.J.:

I tried all the number of the Turkish girls you gave. None of them answered except two (Deniz and Gizem). Gizem was pissed off to heae that I got her number from the internet, without giving details, since I do not know Till Dawn's name (even if I knew, I would not tell). She hung up.

Deniz was suspicious at the beginning, she said it was wrong number, thinking I was a cop or something. Later, she called me asked me what I wanted. I told her I wanted to meet her. She replied in a bitter bitchy language, if I wanted to f*ck, she would come, she did not have time to "meet". I did not like her attitudes. But I will spare her number for hard times.

As for the numbers of Irina and Nicole from Vegamars, I could not reach Nicole maybe she went to her country. Irina was sleeping at 14:00. So was Christina the blonde somebody mentioned. Thus I could not contact them for now.

Catch you later pals.

Local Expert

07-26-04, 06:46

Yavuz Hayat:

Thank you for these very nice reports, I think its time for me to get to Istanbul again soon :-)

You mentioned these hotels:

- Orange Hotel
- Grand Asiyan
- Koza Hotel
- Altinishik

Are they just hotels or are they like Serenda, with a disco attached ?

John Randal

07-26-04, 08:54

The hotels I mentioned do not have discos attached, except Seranda and Altinishik (Balance Disco for Altinishik).

But, I do not advice Discos. First of all, they are not Disco's. You can't dance there if you really wanna dance. Second, you do not have to get robbed, when you can pick up the SAME girls from Irmak.

However, if you'te too late for Irmak (after midnight or so), you may try the disco's, or try the phone numbers I gave you, man...

By the way, Vegamars is right about his way of timing. It is better chance to meet nicer girls in the evening. Because they do sleep during the day and they think men will copme at night. So, there are more girls around in the evening. But I can say, the market opens at 18:00 if you don't wanna be late.

Vegamars

07-26-04, 12:43

Altinisik hotel disco is just near Serenda and I would advise that one as a second choice.

Of course the selection is not so large and qualitative as Serenda, but there are still some fine chicks over there.

The other hotels don't have discos, but on the way to Altinisik and Serenda you'll notice many hotel/discos on your way.

Most of these like Gold Can play Turkish music and don't have an attractive atmosphere in every way.

A positive point about Serenda now is that the music played is even better than in Bacardi and especially the nonstop club type of music after midnight really puts you in the right mood.

Aslan Kral

07-26-04, 19:19

It is too bad that we can not broadcast phone numbers anymore in this forum. Still, I will give it a shot.

I met a lovely Moldavian lady Friday night who agreed to share her number in this forum. Here is the summary;

25-years old Moldovan, 1.60, very nice large natural boobs, nice ass, great body if you are OK with short gals. Bed performance turned out to be impressive, sucked me quite well for 20-25 minutes and didn’t object to nonstop marathon fucking.

Her name is Maya. Sucking quality 8/10, fucking quality 8/10, body 8/10(if you don’t mind short gals), face 6/10.

Phone number is; 0535 3310456. She says she would come to hotels only, 2 hours 100 USD. If you don’t like her, you can send her back by paying the taxi fare. However, her bed performance is better than her looks. When she is on top she fucks quite aggressively and you can have truly enjoyable moments. She was never in a hurry and totally cooperated with my wishes.

Major problem is that she does not speak English, however, she said she could do small talk if you tell her, the name of the hotel you are staying, room number, your name, and how much it is going to cost, etc.

If the phone number is deleted, send me a PM. I don't fully understand why moderators chose to change the policy recently. Please, make an exception this time.

Aslan Kral

Big Bro AJ

07-27-04, 06:46

I got a PM from a friend asking mongering in N.Cyprus. I want to share what I know.

I have never been there since 2000. That's why my info is 4 years old.

There are tens of clubs full of EE chicks on the way from Lefkose to Girne and in both cities. Some clubs in Girne are just tourist trap.You better ask the taxi driver, it may cause trouble if you ask it in Istanbul, but in N.Cyprus everthing is totally different. Anyway 4 years ago I lived in G.Magusa, but we perefer to go to Lefkose for mongering(30 min. drive).

In our time imparator was the best one(EE beuties, clean,each girl has their own room with TV and hot shower, there was a poll at the teras). First you pay cover, you may drink one domestic drink with that. You sit there girls are dancing(they try to create an atmosphere like a strip club but it's more like a joke. Not only the girls but the managers also do not have the spirit and real konwledge about the strip clubs; that's why it turn into a comedy). Girls dancing half naked, if you like the girl you just tell it to the waiter, he tells you the price, you pay it and she picks you upstairs.

4 years ago cover was almost $2, full service all night long was around $50. I have no idea about the prices today.

If you are a goodlooking guy with cash, you may also find chicks(EE and Turks) at the casinos. ROCK is THE PLACE for gambling and hunting. Casino and two awesome club/disco/bar. Father owns the joint and son manages the club/disco/bar, he moved from London that's why he knows what he is doing(They own couple of places in London).

Gambling, sex and booze is a dangerous combination.

Good hunting-be safe

AJ

P.S. I heard Madame Nicole was looking slaves.

http://www.geocities.com/madame_nicole/
http://domdominion.com/community/madame-nicole.html

Sabor

07-27-04, 13:02

Well boys, My hat is off to you fellas. Got back from Istanbul and it was a great tour thanks to the intel you fellas provided. Went to Serenda which was not to far from the hotel and the ladies were absolutly smoking! Gorgeous creatures! Hooked up with a Spanish babe for one Franklin and later on to the wee hours of the mornin had a Romanian for almost half the price. Bacardi was right down the street but Serenda has better quality. What was weird was you can't talk to the woman at the table, just at the dance floor. My friend made an attempt and was shood off like the plague! All in all a very pleaseant experience!

Thanks dudes!

Aslan Kral

07-27-04, 22:00

It had been more than a month I had not paid a visit to Istanbul scene, so before retiring for a few months, I decided to arrange a feast in Istanbul last weekend.

This time I hired an agent to arrange 8 new girls to have sex during a course of 52 hours, from 11:30PM Friday night until 3:30AM Monday morning. The conditions were clear; 2-3 hours sessions with lots of sucking and fucking, without any objection from the girl. No kinky stuff. 100 USD for each session inclusive of taxi. Actionable and beautiful women, but not animals who would complain after some action.

We agreed on 200USD for the arrangement and I had full trust in my agent as she was a reliable PRO herself. This time, I also decided to get and post the phone numbers of those ladies I would recommend in this forum. So, I was planning to explain the ladies that there is such a forum over the internet and could post their phone numbers if they agree, so they could attract more customers.

The planned schedule was 2-3-3 over three nights.

My agent provided some guidance, she would bring the gal for introductions, mention about any special situation, for instance language problem, or a no-kiss condition, etc. From my side, I wouldn’t jump the girl once my agent leaves the room, talk 20-25 minutes before engaging in sexual activity, but always keep the control and give the feeling that the paying party is the boss. She would make sure that the gal also would stay at least 2 hours and behave nicely.

Night 1:

Girl #1; 25-years old Moldovan, 1.60, very nice large natural boobs, nice ass, great body if you are OK with short gals. Bed performance turned out to be impressive and she agreed to post her number in this forum. She sucked me quite well for 20-25 minutes and didn’t object nonstop marathon fucking.

Her name is Maya. Sucking quality 8/10, fucking quality 8/10, body 8/10(if you don’t mind short gals), face 6/10. She even agreed to allow me to take body shots to post it here, but I didn’t have any camera.

Phone number is; 0535 3310456. She says she would come to hotels only, 2 hours 100 USD. If you don’t like her, you can send her back by paying the taxi fare. However, her bed performance is better than her looks. When she is on top she fucks quite aggressively and you can have truly enjoyable moments. She was never in a hurry and totally cooperated with my wishes.

Major problem is that she does not speak English, however, she said she could do small talk if you tell her, the name of the hotel you are staying, room number, your name, and how much it is going to cost, etc.

I finished twice with this girl and it was already 3AM when she left. I was thinking how I would cope with the next pro.

Girl #2; 28-years Romanian, 1.75, very nice body, one of the best asses I had ever fucked. Talkative, truly enjoyable and totally cooperative during long fucking sessions.

At the moment she entered the room with my agent for introductions, it was clear that she was not a regular PRO. When I was speaking to her, I wasn’t looking at her face.

Again finished twice, because she was pretty nice, aggressively sucked my dick to keep it active during those 2-3 hours. I was a bit afraid at the beginning as these type of gals usually don’t play aggressive enough in bed. I guess my agent’s role was critical to convince such a lady to put a great performance for a ‘special’ friend.

It was quite amazing to finish 4 times within 5 hours. Never happened before. 2 nice gals sucking and fucking intensively. Both gals were nice and aggressive in bed, but second one had a great body you could suck and fuck for hours, for days, for weeks, for months, for years...

I briefly changed my mind not to broadcast her number in this forum, but considering that I will be far from the scene for a long time, finally decided to tell her about our forum. We exchanged numbers, however she was reluctant to post her number over the internet. She mentioned that she only goes to contacts and referrals, and I am not yet in a position to be counted as a referral, may be next time. She warned me that if any of my buddies calls her, she wouldn’t talk to them.

It was 5:30-6AM when she left but in fact she was not leaving until I provided some hint that I wanted to sleep. I guess I could keep her and fuck her in the morning as well. But, my dick would not move an inch. That’s the irony behind this. You are next to a stunning body, naked, mouth ready to suck, pussy ready to be fucked, but can’t move a muscle.

Night 2:

Girl #3; 28-year old, Moldavian, 1.75, slim lady with great ass. She started our session with premium sucking for about 20-25 minutes and performed impressive to let me finish twice within 2 hours.

By the end of this session, I was very happy with the performance of my agent. All 3 gals until then were fantastic with respect to looks, body and performance.

This gal also rejected to broadcast her phone number over the internet, but we still exchanged the phone numbers.

Girl #4; Three fantastic girls in a row, too good to be true, soon enough I hit a disappointment.

Mixed girl from Kazakhstan, 27-29 years old, solid ass, small boobs, speaking good English with nice accent. When we started talking, I thought she was from Africa, because she spoke with an impressive accent and didn’t seem like a Kazakh girl. It was hard to believe that Kazakhstan has such darkish girls. Anyway, after a 30-minutes talk, I had to ask her if we can start. Most girls would make a move after they finish their first cigarettes or drinks. They would either ask for shower or start taking clothes off with a suggestive smile.

Her BBBJ was impressive and lasted for about 15-20 minutes and problems started after then. She did not want me to fuck her in missionary position. Only available choice was doggy, and she started to tell me to finish after I fucked her for about 5-10 minutes. There was no way to finish under those circumstances. I have to fuck a PRO in different positions 15-20 minutes each, rest 2-3 minutes in between, let her suck from time-to-time. This is how it works with other gals and if you are getting 100USD in 2 hours, you are going to suck if you aren’t being fucked. That’s the rule. The gal was a true PRO because she sucked so well, and if she were an amateur, I wouldn’t bother much. It is about expectations.

I still fucked her ass for 20-30 minutes, but there was no way to finish so I dismissed her earlier than scheduled.

After she sucked I had asked her phone number, and she had agreed. She was a such a disappointment, I didn’t tell her about the forum later, because I would not recommend her anyway.

After she left I called my agent and complained about the situation. The response was that this gal was brought because she was mixed and different from other girls. Wow, my agent is trying to diversify the choices. Unbelievable!

She now warned me that after 4 pros, I was about to get an amateur who might not even suck. She also told me that, going forward, I should not ask for phone numbers to be broadcasted over the internet. Some of these gals are her friends and would visit only through contacts and references.

Girl #5; 19-year old from Romania, blond, 1.65, very nice ass, slightly overweight, average face, green eyes, etc. My session with her, I wasn’t disappointed, but after first three gals, my expectations might have gone higher. Besides, I had finished 6 times during last 20 hours. I occasionally felt that it is not worth continue fucking until the following day, but time pressure (I was scheduled to leave early Monday morning) forced me to finish the job.

So, it was just OK with 2 finishes in about 2-2.5 hours. She didn’t suck much, I would say, just kissed my dick. She couldn’t speak Turkish very well and didn’t speak any English at all. Sometime, we just watched TV without speaking to each other.

Would I recommend her? I gave a serious thought about it, but she didn’t even give her phone number to me. She said, if I want to contact her, I had to call my agent. Amazing, my agent is probably telling them not to share their phone numbers.

Night 3;

I feel my energy is going down, how am I going to fuck 3 girls in a row, in separate 2-hour sessions tonight? There is absolutely no way, but I know I will later regret to miss the opportunity. It was obvious that there was not going to be such an opportunity outside the country for a Turkish guy like me, even with some money to spend on PROs. This is just an issue of taste, language and psychology. This is the time to fuck and get the balls sucked before shutting down the engine for a few months. May be, these memories will help to lessen the agony of the future, I hope.

Girl #6; Third day’s first girl, issss, quite impressive, comparable to the experience I had with first three girls.

28 years old blond from Romania made me think that Romanian girls are not that bad as many people feared. 1.70M, natural large boobs to suck for hours, nice ass to fuck for other hours, gigantic lips to kiss for remaining hours. Well, if I were living in Istanbul, why not hire and bang such a gal for a month?

2-hour session, finished a second time when the clock hit the first minute of third hour. All positions, lots of banging, no complaints, decent sucking, what would I ask for more?

Girl #7; 26 years-old Romanian, 1.65, brunette, nice ass, OK boobs, tight pussy, who claimed divorced a few months ago. She even showed me a photo of her ex-husband, a sympathetic Turkish guy. According to her, the husband’s family was outraged when they got married because she was then working as a PRO.

I hit her pretty rough, missionary position. Never complained and wanted me to continue in different positions. She didn’t suck my dick though, only kissed.

I finished twice within 2-2.5 hours, but my last finish was very exhaustive. 12 ejaculations during 50 hours and there was still one gal to go. It was almost 2AM on Monday morning and I had to catch an early flight. I called my agent and informed her I am not going to do it. I wouldn’t mind gal coming in, talk and drink something, but I was not in a position to whack her, even if she turns out to be a fabulous porn start. My agent said OK, but still provided some attractive information. According to her, this girl was 20-years old, very beautiful, but amateur, wouldn’t suck and kiss. I gave a serious thought, if I take her, I would have to spend the night without sleeping, but I had to go to work after a 4-hour flight, obviously it would be torture. Also, without any serious sucking how would I get into action? I could only admire her body from 5,000 miles away in a future retro. It was not worth it, so I rejected and didn’t pay anything. At the end of it, my agent got slightly less than 200USD, because of girl #4.

I told my agent I would not be back for a long time, but we will keep in touch because I am satisfied with her services. She is a PRO, she wouldn’t mind bringing girls from her own country if I were living in Istanbul. She talks about regular gals, bring 3-4 of them to Istanbul for a week, to be fucked by the same guy. Total cost should not exceed 1000-1200USD. Consider this, you have three girls under your hand, and fuck them for a week, may be 45-minutes sessions with each every day, may be 2-somes, or 3-somes. These are regular, young beautiful girls. Wow, there is no way to match this in another part of the world, and if I were living in Istanbul, it would not be a mere fantasy. As long as you have contacts, you will be better than ‘just fine’ in this fantastic city.

Well, I visited this city, as a Turkish guy, several times over the last few months, and I can easily tell you that I am definitely satisfied. I didn’t count, if I had fucked 80 different woman, rough estimate, I was satisfied with 70 of them. Sometimes, you run into problems, but most of the time you get good deals. I had felt this when I had it first time with a nice Ukrainian lady, back in March, paying 100 euro for the full night, and having a fantastic morning sex after hours of sucking/fucking previous night.

Now going back to dumb, old New England tomorrow. Time to dump the girlfriend.

Be warned, serious banging is hazardous to your spiritual health. Fabulous fucking might yield severe personal damage.

Bang with caution. Whack with care. Knock with suspicion.

Aslan Kral

Vegamars

07-29-04, 07:50

Actually it's meaningless to pay any kind of commission in Istanbul for arrangement of girls you don't have an idea about, while you could have numerous choices on your own.

Besides, it's foolish to pay more than 50 bucks for 2-3 hrs of best quality.

Let me give you one little secret. There's no such thing as regular girls joining in this game for first time. It's just a complete lie to increase the barrier of prices, especially in Istanbul. Those girls, whether Turkish or not, just play their role to seem like unaware of the game.

John Randal

07-29-04, 09:19

Gentlemen,

Vegamars is "sapina kadar" right about his comments on commission.

But, you may look at it this way :

These people have to make money out of this and you have ALREADY spared the money that you are willing to pay. So, if everybody's happy, why not give it away?

The girls and mama's do not live in good conditions and they are trying to collect some money for their (near) future in a country that they do not know, they do not speak the language, etc.

How many of us has the GUTS to pack our suitcase and just go for LIVING in a country that we completely do not know, do not speak the language, without any support from our company (like housing, car, food, cultural support, etc) ?

These ladies have got the BALLS, gentlemen. I believe they deserve every penny they get, as long as they do not DECEIVE you. I mean, as long as you are happy with what you get in return of your money. There will always be somebody who would pay less than us for the same service. But this does not mean that we are fools. It is the rule of commerce. Don't we do the same to our customers? How many of us would NOT sell the same product to a wealthy customer if he buys it without discount?

Anyway, I did not post this to elaborate on this subject.

TO ASLAN KRAL :

You are a legend man ! Just like the MARATHON runners of Greek mythology !. But this experinece is more like a DECATHLON :-)).

Let the world envy you. No one has died from fucking (excluding sexual disesaes, of course).

And I do respect your social behaviour to share the phone numbers with your friends here, unlike most people in the forum (not Istanbul - the other areas I have read).

I believe we should have a DATABASE for the girls here, including references, body dimensions, descriptions, address, phone, nationality, how they are in bed, how they are as Escort, etc. People having experiences with them should add their comments to their record.

Is this an already old - out of fashion idea or is it good, it is up to you gents.

I wonder how Jackson would consider this?

And finally, I wish to add new abbreviations (although I do not like to use them, it is harder to memorize all that terminollogy in order to understand a f*cking report) How about these, derived from MY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES ?

COF: Come on Face (mess)

COB: Come on Belly (Yuck !)

COH: Come on Hair (Sorry, babe)

CIE: Come into Ear (Missed the target)

F: Just Fucking, no Sucking, I don't kiss, don't touch there, no anal, etc.

FIB: Finger in the butt

FTB: Fingering the butt

A question : Has anybody heard the sound "chlock", when you suddenly pull out your d*ck from the wet (it must be wet, in order to hear the sound) vagina of the woman? You must have...

O.K., but did you hear a FART from a ****? I did, sometimes... I came to a conclusion, thjat, everytime I heard the c*nt fart from a lady, I realized that she told me she liked it so much, and had orgasm. So, try to make them fart from pleasure, guys. You'll know, then. Thus, you will not have to ask if they liked it or not. How about that? (Joking about the %100 realtionship of c*nt fart to a woman's orgasm, of course, but the farting experiences are real.

PS : I ve read through other countries reports, written by many fellow mongers around the world.

All the world seems to be fucking the EE girls, except Thailand and USA. Poor girls :-))

Aslan Kral

07-29-04, 09:20

Vegamars,

You are right under usual circumstances, but not if you are looking for 8 new girls in the course of 48 hours. You can't just afford to waste time going to Aksaray and pick up the girls.

It is also an issue of taste, 'appearances' is not #1 priority on my list, and you can never guarantee future satisfaction based on appearances.

7 girls last weekend, all of them were pros. Some of them with years of experience, some of them with less. End of the day, I was satisfied with 6 of them.

Well, I believe, intensive binge fucking requires a service person.

Aslan Kral

John Randal

07-29-04, 09:44

Gentlemen,

I have been receiving PM's from NEW friends, after reading my reports with Jenia and so on, asking for phone number(s) of the ladies I know in Ýstanbul.

I gave the (all of them up-to-date) numbers to them, except the last two genlemen.

I wish to tell all future fellow mongers, why I did not provide the numbers to the last 2 gentlemen :

I do not want to give any phone numbers or ANY kind of information to people who read this forum ONLY for getting phone numbers for free and NOT contributing ANTHING.

I have seen that these gentlemen were regular members, but the number of their posts were "0" (zero). That is why I did not give any info to them.

So, my word to zero report-members : We are not here to entertain you. We are here to SHARE. Do not ask me any favors if you did not do any favor to ANYBODY (not especially me) in this forum.

Vegamars

07-30-04, 09:07

I'm just trying to point out that if you're gonna pay commissions and overprices and everything for about average quality, then what's the point of all the efforts on this forum.

If you had asked me for instance for such a weekend, I would gladly give you the numbers of 18 girls for a fast weekend.

The girls surely have the guts to live here, but don't forget, they have the guts to live so only in Turkey, which is a heaven for them for the conditions. That's why they come back again and again over the years.

Istanbul is surely one of the few cosmopolitans in the world providing the perfect conditions for the foreigners.

Aslan Kral

07-30-04, 09:45

Yavuz Hayat;

Yes, I know about the overall price situation. I had picked up a few girls from Aksaray before, 50 bucks for 2 hours and 100 bucks for the night. For many Turkish gals, the price could even be less. I had seen some Turkish ladies accepting 100Mil(about 70 bucks) for the entire night.

However, that's not the key point. Yes, if I were living in Istanbul, I would possibly visit these joints once or twice a week and pick up 1 or 2 girls for the right price. I wouldn't need to bang 7-8 gals over 50 hours.

Last weekend, I just needed to bury my desires before shutting down the engine. Even after 4 days now, agony is setting in.

Aslan Kral

Mucky Duck

07-30-04, 20:26

First of all, I'd like to give a SHOUT-OUT to my man Yavuz Hayat for gifting me with one of the most incredible sexual experiences of my life. Let me explain. I just rolled into Istanbul today as part of my vacation itinerary. Reading some of the reports at this site I was raring to sample some of the "Turkish" delights available here in Istanbul. Armed with a pretty detailed list of names and numbers provided by Yavut himself, I quickly got to work.

First on the list was Jenia. After reading about her I felt like I had to give her the first shot. I quickly got a hold of her and set an appointment to pick her up at the Aksaray McDonald's. At first she was leery, like who are you and how did you get my phone number. I told her that we had a mutual friend and that she came highly recommended. Anyways, after a little sweet talking and settling on a price ($100 USD for whatever) I was off to get her in a cab.

We linked up and went back to my hotel (which shall remain nameless 'cause I'm still there). I thought that maybe we would get hassled as we entered but encountered no such problem. Hahaha....I told her that I would be speaking loudly in English to her while walked in and that all she needed to do is Aw Ha, Aw Ha, nod her head and keep walking. Worked like a charm it did.

Anyways, we got my room where she proceeded to undress and hop into the shower. As far as Jenia's concerned, she's a real good looker...she's got a real wiry body, like a dancer or a ballerina....long brownish hair and beautiful Eurasian blue eyes. She finished up her shower and came back out and looked at me quizzically as if to say, why do you still have your clothes on? No problem, and they were off in a flash.

We then proceeded to the business of the meeting. No doubt about it, this girl really knows how to show a guy a good time. I mean, we started going at it like we were long time lovers. We were french-kissing and petting each other. It truly felt like a total GFE. After a while I asked her to suck my cock and she swallowed it to the root. At the same time she played and tongued with my balls and caressed me wherever her hands reached.

Needless to say, it didn't take me long to get ready to start laying pipe. Again, while I was fucking her she was very affectionate and alomost loving. We did missionary for while then switched to doggy before I finally came in her back in missionary.

After that, we relaxed and talked as well as we could despite the language barrier. Jenia speaks rudimentary English so at times it was kind of hard going. Unusual for these type of girls, but wonderful nonetheless, she doesn't smoke so that was one thing I didn't have to put up with. After that, we went off for round two which went almost identically as the first.

When I looked at the clock and saw that amost 3 hours had passed I was shocked. Time truly does fly when you're having fun. We both then got dressed and I dropped her off at the same McDonald's where I picked her up. Based on my experience her I might call her again and definitely would recommed her for anybody that want to have a real good time.

Background info: Jenia, 28 years old, Ukranian from Sebastopol. Great GFE and seems like a real nice person to boot. Definitely not a clock watcher and really gets into the sexual spirit of the thing. Try her and prepare to be converted. As I was left her next to the McDonald's the cab driver said "Sir, you've got a beautiful girl friend". Little does he know.

John Randal

07-31-04, 07:24

Although I was decided not to give any phone numbers or whatsoever to non-contributing fellas who read the forum only for getting info about girls with no contribution from their own, last day I gave the numbers to Mr. MUCKY DUCK, believeing his sincerity.

Today, I saw that he went for Jenia and he reported it immediately, as he promised.

That's a gentleman.

I also saw that he reported his Ankara experience with a girl named SORGUN.

I felt proud like an ol' PIMP. Hey, this does not fit into the moral values of a Turkish man, but we have get over with it.

I was jealous when I read through what he did with my little Jenia, in detail.

I guess I am a sick bastard.;-))

Mucky Duck

08-01-04, 15:31

I've got a question for any/all of the regular members here. Does anybody know of any decent *****houses in Istanbul? As a traveler I personally prefer going to a set-up like that rather than having them come to my hotel room. Big as this city is, I know there has to be something like that here. I'll be in Istanbul a couple of more days and would appreciate the info.

Thanks all

Spider916

08-01-04, 21:46

Hi Guys,

Here is my short report on the scene in Istanbul.

First let me say that I really liked the cultural activities of that city a lot. Visiting the Hage Sofia and things like that.
Due to loads of work I was only able to explore the carnal delights of the city for one night.

I recommend that everybody prints out the Aksaray map posted in this forum. It was an invaluable help. Thanks to the guys who posted it. I walked between the different venues. It's rather short and I felt pretty safe.

I was frankly pissed by the rudeness of the waiters in most of the Aksaray venues, with the notable exception of Bacardi. In Seranda, they were so rude that I left after a beer, even if some cuties were present. They have more rules than a prison: no drink on the dance floor, no walking around with your drink, no talking to girls at tables etc etc. Clearly not my idea of fun after a hard days work.

I was in Irmak around 10 pm, there were only 3 or 4 girls present, only old Natashas. They did that stupid trick with the finger foods. Since I couldn't care less, I paid.

Big Pub was rather crowed, some cuties, but the waiters were a pain in the neck.

Cold Can was actually quite good. I saw a lot of cuties there, but most were busy around 10.30 pm sitting at tables with locals. In my opinion it's a much better place than Irmak or Big Pub.
Picked up a cute Tadjik girl there for 50€. That's a another country to strike of my to do list :). We went to the Hotel Grand Pan for 2 hours. Paid her 50 million. The room boy laughed at me when I offered him 2 million as a tip. So he got nothing.

Barcardi had by far the nicest atmosphere. The waiters spoke good English and German and explained the price structure clearly. Some of the girls were hot. I didn't pick anybody up since I already shot all my ammo with the Tadjik girl.

Ok guys, these were my observations from one night in IST. It's definitely not a place I would travel to for mongering, but if you are there for work you can have some good fun at night.

Have fun

Strato

Mucky Duck

08-02-04, 00:26

OK, well, like the song says all good things come to an end. In my case I hadn't had a negative experience sampling female delights till this evening/early morning. Allow me to explain. After being in Istanbul 3 days or so I felt that I was ready to hit Aksaray and see what it had to offer. With that in mind, I went over to the Serenda Hotel/Club at about 1015 PM to see if things in the girl department were as advertised.

The way this club works is that you pay a 20,000,000 TL cover charge to get in, then some sort of ticket is given to a waiter who then leads you into a seat somewhere in the bar. I was initially placed at the bar itself but quickly moved to an empty table, of whicch there were many at that time. As other people have stated, don't accept anything you haven't ordered because you'll end up paying for everything. As soon as I ordered a beer these guys tried to get slick on me and placed a plate of peanuts, popcorn, and some vegetable sticks in front of me. I saw the bill and it was 20,000,000 TL. No way bro. To their credit they did collect once I made it known to them that I didn't order any of it.

Anyways, I had a pretty good view of the door and slowly but surely the place started getting packed. It was pretty interesting to see all of these girls come in in little packs. Obviously, the lighting was pretty dim but there was enough light to see that most of them were pretty good looking. So, at about 1115 PM four girls jump out on the dance floor and the chase begins. As mentioned before by another poster, the ONLY place you can talk to these girls is on the dance floor. I finished my brew and walked in. Man, I though I was in heaven with all of the angels. I had drool coming out of my mouth. All of these beautiful girls, and all of them totally available for a price. So anyways, I'm not even dancing, in fact, the only ones dancing are the girls. All of the guys are just walking from one spot on the dance floor to another or standing still, when this big titted cutie latches on to me and starts making small talk. Hey, pretty good english, Moldovan she says, $100 she says and we can go upstairs and fuck for 2 hours. I'm tempted but you're making a mistake if you with the first one.

I then sidle up to another girl who had caught my eye originally. What made her interesting to me it that she looked Cuban or Puerto Rican based on her features and dark skin. Nope, Romanian she says. OK, I'll get back to you thinking better days were ahead. That's were I made my mistake. I remember in school when I was told, hey, when you take a test, don't go around changing answers because 9 times out of 10 you're going to get it wrong. Well, I changed by starting to talk to a striking blonde that was next to me.

Standard rate: 100 USD for 2 shots/hours. Says her name is Diana from Constanza (Black Sea Coast), Rumania. She's looking pretty good but my Spidey sense was tingling because she seems pretty aloof. Nothing at all like the other girls I had talked to previously. But hey, she's looking pretty good. I asked her "Do you French Kiss?" "Oh yeah" she says. 'Do you suck cock without a rubber?" "Oh yeah" she says. I then asked her if she wanted to go ahead and do the deed and she said OK, go out into the foyer/entrance and I'll meet you there.

She came out and we went directly to the counter where I had to pay for a room. The cost is 55 million TL for 2 hours of room time. They also ask for your passport or identity card. I never carry my passport when I'm out so I gave them my BS driver's license that I carry for situations such as these. Anyways, the clerk gives the keys to an old man and he leads us to the room. I didn't have any rubbers, forgot damn it!, so Diana called room service and they gave me two for 5 million TL.

I just had a feeling that this chick was going to be a hard case. She sat down, poured herself some water, and began smoking a cigarrette. By now I know the routine with these girls so I'm sitting there waiting and waiting. Finally, she's done, starts stripping and goes to the bathroom to freshen up. She comes back out and I start taking off my clothes. We jump in bed naked and I star feeling her up, sucking her titties and go up to get a kiss from her and it's like kissing a wall. I thought you French kissed, I say, I lied, she says.

Oh boy, here we go. You know, I had read somewhere here that Rumanians are to be avoided. I now start seeing this in spades. She didn't want to do shit. No romance, no fantasy, no getting me excited about the fucking project. It's like just fuck me, drop your goo, and move out. Diana, by now I find out that her real name is "Laura", tells me that that's the way is done here. She told me that when Turkish guys come in all they do is have sex and split. So, I must get used to that way because it's that way or no way at all. I ask her what about customer satisfaction. What about treating people well so they'll come back for more. She says "Who cares if you come back. I'm here every night and I always have customers." So now I got a ***** giving me a lesson on Economics 101, that it's a seller's market. She also goes on to tell me that ALL the girls in the club are the same way. I find that hard to believe and look forward to hearing from someone else that's been in this club and had a better experience.

By tis time I've had enough of philosophy so I have her get me hard and then drill her. After I'm done we both washed up, went down to the counter, turned in the room key and went our separate ways without so much as looking back.

Lessons learned: Go with your gut feeling instead of the prettiest girl you see. Avoid Rumanians, the money hungry, scamming rookie "Hos. This particular girl is blond, very pretty, about 1.65, 55kg or so, and has a tattoo on the left side of her stomach with the name "Walid". She said that she was married to a Syrian and that was their son's name. Don't know if I want to visit this place again even though the girls are hot but might do it to see if I have better luck.

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John Randal

08-02-04, 06:40

To Mucky Duck and all my fellow monger friends visiting Istanbul,

Don't you ever fall into the mistake of visiting the local *****house(s) in Istanbul. They are terrible, compared to f*ucking the EE girls in your hotel room or another hotel.

There are decent *****houses in other cities of Turkey (like former Bursa's, but I hear it is not functional now), but not Istanbul.

There may be just a few beautiful girls, among hundreds of old *****s in the *****houses of Istanbul. This means, your chances are 1 in a hundred. Plus, the premises are disgusting. I mean, the streets and the surroundings. Some say, some houses are clean, but I doubt you will find the right one as a seldom visitor.

Just go for Turkish or EE girls and if you do not want to bring them into your Hotel, go to the hotels named in previous reports in this forum.

Peace...

John Randal

08-02-04, 07:25

I wrote the answers to Mucky Duck's questions just 5 minutes ago, replying his previous PM. I also posted a new report in the forum about this.

Here are some more remarks for fellow friends mongering in Istanbul :

Do not go to a ***** house. You may try the GRAND ASIYAN Hotel in Aksaray, (ask anybody) if you do not want to bring the girl to your room.

As for your aim of choosing the girl instead of getting the risk of calling in an unwanted (beauty is in the eye of the beholder) girl from just a phone number...Well, I can say you can do your selection by visiting the places where these girls drop in.

Best time for visiting the places start at 18:00 P.M.

If you want to choose your girl. Just go to Irmak Restaurant in aksaray. It is in the street right opposite to McDonald's. There are two chicken restaurants at the two opposite corners of the street. You cannot miss it. Walking up from that street, you will notice the entrance of a small, alley-like street on the left, after 50 m. THAT is where the action takes place. Irmak is the first restaurant on the right when you enter the street. Sit in front of the door on the second entry door (from right). Or sit inside that dark saloon if you like. Look at the girls and call any girl you like to your table. Talk about whatever you want to, there (price, how many times, how long, does she do anal, you do or not like to do it with condom, etc...) if you do not want to get frustrated later. Tell her you will take her to ----- Hotel and if it is O.K. with her. If she tells you that she knows or feels comfortable at another Hotel, do not be pissed off, unless the hotel is outside the Aksaray district. All hotels in Aksaray are somewhat the same quality, the room sizes and small details vary. You will not get ripped off at any hotel in Aksaray, the room price is a mere 50 million TL. (30$ or so). You can ask the waiters for condoms ($1 or 2)

Tip is important in Turkish entertainment arena. Just tip the servants, everywhere you go. If you do not want to see solemn faces around you, tip BEFORE ordering something. At the restaurant, if you do not pick up a girl, tip them %10. If you get the girl, they will charge you more expensive price for the drinks, but do not worry, it will only be twice the price. That is, $5 for a beer and nuts alone, $10 with a lady at your table. The cocktail (non-alcoholoc) that the lady drinks may cost $15. If you get the girl by asking a waiter to call her for you, tip him 20 million TL.

Other alternatives to Irmak restaurant (just in case) are, Gold Can Bar (ask anybody around Mc Donald) and Bacardi Disco (50 m upwards from Mc Donald's, towards the 4 way junction, on the left, inside a passage with costume shops, go downstairs) and Seranda disco (this is located at the end of the street downwards from McDonald's, walk about 300-400 m. when you see the end of the street with steep stairs, the Seranda is the second Hotel on the left, right beside the stairs. you may use the hotel facilities if you pick the girl from here.

However, do not forget that the best time for the places except Irmak is AFTER 10:30 or 11:00 P.M. They climax at around 12:30-01:00.

Taxis charge double the price after midnight.

John Randal

08-02-04, 12:21

weekly report (saturday 31st) from ýstanbul, aksaray :

i could not wait till 13:00 to get off work. i work on saturdays, half a day.

i was free by 13:01 and found myself driving full speed to aksaray. i felt very energetic that day, a beautiful, not so hot day.

i sat down at one of the tables outside irmak. i was eager to try the numbers on my list, enriched by those given by big bro aj, hedonist and vegamars.

i called a monger turkish friend of mine. he said he would meet me in half an hour. i started waiting for him.

accompanied with an ice cold efes beer, i first called deniz, the turkish pro. i got her number from one of big bro aj's previous reports. i called her last week the first time, actually. because of my reluctance with turkish rippers, i wanted to meet her first, before going into the real thing. she replied rudely, saying she did not have timefor that, and if i wanted a screw, she would drop in. i did not like the approach, so i hang up that time. but to my surprise, she began calling me. she called me 9-10 times during the week. she just lets my phone ring for once and hangs up, then i call her. i asked what she would like to say. she told me she was sorry for being rude, she does that to guys she does not know, and she would be happy to meet me whenever i call. i told her i work within the week and i would try to create some time for her at weekend. well, it was time to hold my promise.

she cheered up when she heard my voice and she was ready to drop in within 10 minutes. i asked her the cost. she said $100 for 2 hours or two times, whichever comes first. that was expensive. i was certainly unsure that it would worth. i said the market price is $50. she said that was the absolute minimum and she would give me only once for that price. i asked her if she had a beautiful friend to bring along. she said she had many girlfriends and that's no problem. i offered her 50 euros for 2 times and the same to her friend, but we wanted a switch. i explained that they would switch us after f*cking one of us. we would rent two neighboring rooms in the hotel for that. she said o.k. and i told her that i would call her when my friend comes.

for alternatives, after guaranteeing the deal; i called other girls. i did not call the girls i knew, beause they know me for a long time and they would be pissed off if i asked them for switching.
julia, the ukrainian chick that vegamars recommended, shouted at me on the phone that, she would definitely not go out with men she does not know. since i did not know vegamars' real name, i could not tell her that she was recommended by him. telling her that i got the number from the internet pissed her off more, so i had to hang up.

irina, the rumenian recommended by zagor was with a customer from overnight and she told me she could drop in only at 19:00. missed again.

nicole's (recommended by till dawn) number never answers or rings. i guess she is out of country. that was dropped down from the list. luiza's (again, by till dawn) number always replied by the telesecretary service, also missed out.

kristina, vegramars' stunning blonde also never answers. pass.

olya, the mommy who i did not f*ck but met (wonderful body, fair face) was having her period. maya, recommended by aslan kral

i knew that the two turkish girls recommended by big bro aj were expensive girls and they lived on the asian side of istanbul (where i live). big bro said they charge $120 per two hours. they would also ask for taxi fare from there (my wife is here, i cannot take them home), which would take another $25-30. no way.

so i sat, my friend dropped in. i told him the deal. he directly refused renting turkish girls. apparently, he also had some rip off adventure previously, with turkish gals.

i had no choice to call one of my old girls. the newest one that i met was jenia, so i went for her. i told her i was sitting at irmak. she asked "why", giggling. i said "i came for you, babe". i told her to bring a friend. she was surprised, since she thought i wanted a group. i explained the switching matter and she said o.k. we set to meet at the orange hotel (just inside mcdonald's street on the right) 10 min later.

the guys at the hotel invited us two second floor and kindly asked us not to wait at the lobby. i guess that had some hassle with the police recently. well, there was a decent bar at the second floor and i did not know that ! my friend and i were wondering, if we did not like the girl who would come, what should we do? we decided to give her taxi money and call one of my old wh*res and not to do the switch. while the three of us were waiting, jenia's friend ira (also ukranian) hopped in.

wow, what a face ! i liked her face. nice mid-length blond hair, mignon face (and body), gazelle eyes (most important) and always smiling ! and again, she met my other criteria as well : wonderful ass, shining proportional legs, small feet, all toes proportional, small hands with thin fingers. not sizeable tits, though. maybe 80-85. what else could i ask from god?

joyfully, we got up to our rooms. there was only a thin wall between the rooms and we could hear the shower's noise from the other room. thru the processing, my girl was always moaning, so i did not hear the moans from the other room.

i got jenia first. well, she was happy to meet me. she gave me one of her classic long french kisses. omg, her pink sweet tongue almost down my throat ! and she had no sign of wear and tear from last night that she spent with mucky duck (refer to his report for details). she kissed me all over, slowly lowering on her knees to end up at my screwdriver. i pulled it out of her greedy mouth just before coming and had to squeeze my crotch in order not to come outside. that was close, man. i did not want to spend my valuable shots just for a bbbjtc+cim (sorry, i used an abbreviation). plus, i was not sure if she would like a cim, although she seemed like she would go till the end.

everything with jenia was bareback now, she did not even ask and i did not even think about a condom or whatsoever. juices of pleasure dripping from my "driver", i drove the car into her garage in missionary style at once (she likes that position, somehow). alas ! i came in 2 seconds, before i could go back and forth for 1 or 2 times ! it was hot, wet, and tight. i could not stand for 1 more second !

first shot gone, i was afraid that she would just leave for switching. because that was our deal, 50 euros for 1 f*ck each. but she did not seem to care for that. she slipped into the bath, had a shower and came back, asking for a cafe au lait (her favorite). we chatted, and i waited for my thingy to stand up and sing again.

15 minutes later, i was eating her like mad, trying to stick my tongue out as much as i can into her p*ssy, as if in order to reach her stomach from down below. i do not know (or care) if it was true or not, but she came, trembling. my turn !

i turned her over and started slapping her buttocks for a while (she prefers doggy, insted of riding me, that's what she said before). naah, i do not like doggy, because i cannot kiss her breasts and see her face. i turned her sideways this time, holding one of her legs up one down, i located myself between her legs sideways and with one of my hands, i was able to squish her nipples this time. she reached down to hold my balls and push my driver inside and out slowly. there i exploded.

well, it was two and there was still 20 minutes to go, in order to fill an hour. she went to bath to clean herself again and came back, lied down on my chest and gave me small kisses (still french). she still did not ask to leave for switching, nor did she complain. i guess she did not want to go to the other room. my monger friend in the other room was big guy, weighing 98 kg, with dark skin and a lot of hair on his chest (and face, he did not shave that day). but i had no mercy, i was waiting eagerly for ira, the cute petite and i wanted to save my (if any left) energy for her. in the meantime, jenia started another bbbj. i let her go this time, just lying there like dead. but she revived the dead from grave ! this time i came on her breasts. did not miss the target this time !

i had to ask her to leave and send ira in. but i gave her an extra 20 million for not asking for it. reluctantly, but not saying a word, she picked up her clothes and slid into the next room all naked.

i was seriously thinking if i could get my jelly-like prick up again.

well, 5 minutes passed and ira did not come. i was beginning to wonder if they were going for a threesome, and she stepped in, with all her beauty !

i learned at that instant that she was not ready to swtich, so she had to take a shower and pick up her clothes before coming to me. she was so cute. the only flaw on her body was a tiny tummy, which we turks call quince belly. but that was not a bother at all. she had the birth operation mark (she has a son 11 years old) and another operation mark for appendicitis. ý admired those marks, kissing every millimeter later. she had a silky soft skin, no pubic hair, but i learned that she was a natural blonde. as i noticed at first sight, she had a rooound ass, beautifully followed by slender and proportional legs, that ended with 34 size feet which i swallowed every toe later.

she immediately sat over me (which i like the best) with her clit touching my prick, and started sucking my lips gently. i stopped her and said let's talk for a while. she said she did not speak good turkish. i said no problem, i can speak broken tuerkish just like you. we chatted for 10-15 minutes, during which we had a few laughs. this warmed the atmosphere up. meanwhile, i held her belly from two sides and slipped her back and forth over my prick. she was wet now, and every several slide, my d*ck was "accidentally" going in and out.

by, even my balls were all wet with her juices, and i rolled over onto her this time. i started kissing her and touching every inch i kissed afterwrds. i played this game starting from her forehead, eyebrows, eyelids, nose, cheeks, lips (a little longer, when i touched them, she sucked my finger), chin, neck, ears, shoulders, breasts and nipples (at least 5 minutes each - nipples got as hard as nuts), that sweet quince belly, mingled around belly button for a while and then skipped the target (saving the dessert to the end) towards the inner thighs, knees, back of the knees, lower thighs, heels, fet and ended up sucking each toe. she gigled a lot, tickled by that, but she said she liked it. i came back the same way, ended up on her pink clit.

the phone rang ! i picked it up, all my mouth and face covered with her juice and barked "what"?

it was my friend next door. he complained that jenia was about to leave. i asked him if he f*cked her or not. he said yes, but only once. "in 5 minutes ?" i asked. he told me it has been 25 minutes. boy i did not realize how time passed with ira. i told him that was the deal. he misunderstood "one each" as "one hour each". i said "i am busy - you talk her out" and hang up.

i went back to where i was, yeah the pink clit was still wet and waiting. she threw her lower body on my face as i only stuck out my tongue and waited without moving. she started moaning and squeezed my head with her legs. my nose was inside her c*nt, i could not breathe, but i wanted to die that way !

the f*cking phone rang again. my friend asked me to talk to jenia. i told him to offer her an extra 20 million and just whacked the handle on the receptor of the phone. ira was laughing her ass off ! i bit her clit, she screamed, and we went on. the phone rang again...

.- "grrr - ne var ulan?" (grrr - what the hell - bastard) ?

.- jenia left !

.- didn't you give her 20 million?

.- yeah, but she did not take it.

.- did you ask why?

.- yeah, she said i was too hairy.

.- damn, yes. you hairy gorilla !

"sprung" (noise of phone thrown onto the floor).

i licked ira for 10 more minutes. she moved her crotch up and down, rubbing and sometimes thrusting her clit upon my face like mad. towards her climax, she was moving up and down so fast and wide that, i was licking her from butthole to her belly button all the way at one pass, and this was happening twice every second !

she came screaming, sqeezing my hand with one hand, pulling my head inside her c*nt, holding my neck, with the other.

i di not let her stop screaming. i rolled over and she sat on me cowgirl. she rode me as if she was trying to hang on a crazy bull in a rodeo. but her moves were so wild, cracking noise swere coming from my penis, she was gonna break it ! let me describe it this way, she was not riding me up and down. with my prick inside, she was moving back and forth, just like that sliding motion we had. but man, my thing is inside ! i know it cannot bend more than 45 degrees in the opposite way, when it is hard ! but she was bending it 80 degrees, and it was painful !

but when i looked at her face, i noticed that her pupils disappeared under her upper eyelids. i could only see the white of her eyes. my heart could not let me spoil this concentration, man. she shouted high and fell over me like an inflated baloon.

i grabbed each of her buttocks with my hands, and started to move her up and down my shaft. but, very veeery slowwwlllyyy !
one move every two seconds. soooo slow. my shot flooded her and squirted out of her.

we kissed and cuddled for another 10 minutes or so. meanwihle, jenia had left half an hour ago.

i offered my friend to pay him back his 20 million if he was going to complain so much. he said, these things happen. we were both very happy about ira anyway.

we went back home with large grins on our faces, mine twice as large, since i had jenia 3 times as well.

Nose Dick

08-02-04, 13:16

Dear Mongers,

I truly appreciate the dedicated stories from Yavuz and others. One thing I have noticed is that all experiences are concentrated to Aksaray region mostly with EE ladies.

One of the quick relaxation places I can recommend is in Nisantasi. The name of the place Enjoy and it's a parallel street to Tesvikiye. It's located on the second&third floors of a building, and there's a restaurant at the entrance floor.

Basically it's a massage parlor with ladies who do not know how to massage. However, they do provide happy ending and occasionally more depending on the situation. It's not a replacement for Aksaray, it's just an additional "getting out of the system" place.

When you enter you are greeted by a lady behind a desk. You pay her 60million TL. That goes to establishment. Then you pick a girl in the living room (Girls range 4-7). She leads you to one of the rooms. You get undressed and wait for her. She comes and starts to massage you.

I went there after hearing from a friend so I was eager for the happy ending in the middle of the afternoon. The woman I was with (Hazal) had pretty beatiful face, but short legs. She asked me whether I've been there before. I said no but I knew the deal. She started massaging me. In the middle I asked whether there's something more than just a massage. After mumbling a bit she said she can relax me. I said go ahead. She started to give me a hand-job. Once a while she would be converting to a blow-job. All-in-all if you know that this is it, it's a good experience. I ended paying her another 60 million TL. (which is the normal rate.). The only thing that bothered me, she had her mobile phone with her, and it rang twice. In both of the occassions she actually answered and had a minute chat. That was a turn off.

I'd still recommend the place.

Nose Dick

08-02-04, 13:22

MORE ON ENJOY

My second time at Enjoy, I picked up a blue eyes-very dark skin lady. I forgot her name but she was Algerian I think.

We went inside. She asked me whether I've been there before. I said yes. She immediately relaxed. She asked me what she can do for me. I asked "what's available"? She replied anything. So I wanted to have a full-course sex. However neither she nor I had a condom, and I didn't want to riks anything. So I gave her an oral, and she tit-fucked me. That was ok.

Instead of regular 60 million TL, I paid 80million TL for the oral piece of it.

In my third visit, I was not in the mood of a sex. So I chose the regular tit-fucking this time (with my own will rather than due to the absence of a condom)

I have been there three times and in all the occassions I ended up having what I bargained for. So I am a happy camper. If anyone knows places like enjoy please report.

I am married and it's much more difficult to find time for a full-course sex at Aksaray.

Prince2

08-02-04, 22:49

Nose Dick,

Looks like you had a great time with these girls. I envy you guys who live out there. Unfortunately I reside in the mongering desert otherwise known as the UK.

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Aslan Kral

08-03-04, 00:43

Mucky Duck;

I went through similar ordeals with stunners in several European cities, including Istanbul. Most girls in that range(higher than 8) perform poorly in bed, or don't perform anything at all. It is like having sex with an 'animal'. I would try to avoid that type of situations at all costs. Fucking your hand would be better than fucking an 'animal'.

As I said earlier, 'appearances' doesn't guarantee any future satisfaction and long time ago, I dropped it from the top of my criteria list.

Yavuz Hayat;

Maya had told me that she was going to have some vacation starting Aug 1, Sunday. If you happen to hit her, just ask her if she was fucking any Turkish politician. You might get surprised.

Aslan Kral

Aslan Kral

08-03-04, 00:54

Folks;

It popped up in the news a few days ago that a well-known Turkish actor was banging Russian pros in his spare time.

Married poor guy had to go to police to report a blackmail schema after being cornered by a Turkish pro who filmed him having sex with herself and Russian ladies. As far as I know, this guy lived in US for many years before taking up acting roles in Turkey and became quite famous with his performance in a popular TV comedy series. He just got married 1-2 years ago and his wife, yeah, stands by him.

According to newspapers, many businessman got filmed and blackmailed as well. Seems like, police is reviewing several tapes, that were found when they snatched the Turkish pro.

If you have anything serious to hide while mongering, don't play away games.

Aslan Kral

Secada

08-03-04, 07:53

Can anybody provide tel phone numbers of nice girls who are ready to come to hotel in Istanbul ?
I met Blond Russian Girl Svetlana (age around 28) which gave a perfect 2 hours sex, I am ready to share the number by PM if anybody needs.

Vegamars

08-03-04, 10:40

It's not necessarily true that a stunning girl will always provide poor service, especially if she's Moldovan or Ukrainian.

There are lots of Romanians in Serenda and most of them are asking for high prices for ordinary service, but there are still a few blondes of exception.

If a girl is smiling too much at you and making the first approach, then it should be a warning for you not to hurry and not to be trapped by that first sight.

Just take your time and have a good eye contact with your choice. The first impression is an important part of the game for satisfactory services as well as the negotiation for lowering the first-quoted-prices.

Through my experience of hundreds of EE girls, I can tell you that the odds of being content with a blonde is about 99% , whereas it's just 60% with a dark-haired one.

Serenda was packed up again last night, though it was Monday cause it was the beginning of the month. Anyway, most guys was sitting again and the dance floor was full of about 40-50 chicks against only 8-10 guys after midnight.

At first sight I spotted my favorite Ukrainian blonde whom I had met two times before with her completely new hair style. I had the intention of trying another girl this time, hoping that she wouldn't notice me.

After talking to a few I returned back to the bar for some time. Then, to my surprise, the Ukrainian chick sent a message, saying that it was her birthday and she wanted to celebrate with me.
What could I do except to relent? I asked her what she wanted as a present and she replied just a good long French kiss followed by a decent blow job, so I helped her way out. I figured out the blow job is even more effective and interesting when she's a little bit drunk.

I can't wait to meet her again and I plan to celebrate her birthday again today.

In short, it doesn't help anyone to blame the atmosphere when the outcome is not so good. Actually, it all depends on your tasty selections and good attitude.

What you give decides on what you get in return! Watch out the tall Ukrainian blondes in Serenda, difficult to disappoint.

Crazy Castel

08-03-04, 10:49

vegamars,

i agree with you but not 100%.,

i think, we mongers, have to remember that these girls are there only for one reason which is to make as much as possible bucks by screwing the less possible number of lads, in my humble opinion this is a fact that we have to always keep in mind.

the trick which has always worked for me is to avoid the peek days, like weekends and holidays, as well as summer season when a lot of turists are visiting istanbul.

i apply the same here in barcelona where i live.

perfect timing is afternoons in weekends, so you get the first shots with the girls and you become their warmup for the rest of the day.

to wait till 3am to pickup a girl to spend the rest of the night with you, in my opinion is useless.

i prefer to schedule my trips returning back to spain on a saturday afternoon, finish business friday afternoon, cool down at a tukish bath, then go to bacardi as soon as it opens and get one or two girls to spend until midnight.
then a nice sleep and back to real life.

enjoy life,

crazy

Kayinco

08-03-04, 12:13

Being a new member I like to add some information on Nose Dick's question.

Alternative massage parlor is China House in Gayrettepe (middle of business centers) You can go there by Metro from Taxim.

It is just across Maya Akar Tower, beside 18.noter. You will notice the 18.Noter's arrows, follow them.

Service is very similar to Enjoy, less crowded, no competition for the selection.

Rules, a regular massage plus HJ or max BJ for the first-timer, but asking an identity proving that you are not police. If you go with a regular customer you can skip the first-timer status.

Full service starts by the second visit. According to your attitude, frequency of visits, tips etc. service comes close to GFE. (can be cosidered as too much investment for foreigners) You should bring your condom yourself. Choosing same girl brings some benefits !...

Girls vary 5 to 8. Only 8 is Burcin but you should be very polite and friendly to get service from her. Other girls are friendly too depending on you. Room rate 60 million TL. Girls' money changes according to customer.

Advice: Summer is the dead-season they are looking forward to new customers.

I think I deserve answers for my PMs.

Cohiba Guy

08-03-04, 15:02

Dear Friends,

After reading this forum for a few months, I finally arrived in Istanbul two weeks ago for a short trip.

Following is the report:

Went to nadide, the massage parlour in the upscale district of nisantasi. friday afternoon 6pm and they had 6 girls, 4 was ok i should say. the other two were so good i had trouble deciding. I kept the process short as I am not that comfortable with 6 people looking at you and the discerning looks of the "madame".

Paid 60m to the desk and paid another 60m as a tip when inside. that is supposed to be the "keyword" that you aren't there for a back massage. worked well, too! BBBJ and FS. Tight massage table is a problem though. it was bad for my back I should warn you despite being a massage table :) not really a GFE, yet was good enough. she never rushed. looks 7/10, sex 7/10. she didn't look as good when naked.

Afterwards, Had gotten a phone # of a turkish girl couple from a turkish friend. names were demed and aishe (sp?). they were 23 and 25. lived together in akadlar, near akmerkez the shopping arcade. $200 for 3 hours. never rushed. one of the best GFEs I have had. one was actually eager to greek, a rare but revered situation! I told them about the forum but they declined their number to be on the net. will definitely visit them the nexy time I am in Istanbul.

For clubbing, Reina is the place to go I suppose.

Enjoy!

Cohibaguy

John Randal

08-03-04, 15:48

According to my experience with EE girls, I put my signature under what VEGAMARS has written !

The blondes are %80 not REAL blondes. They dye their hair, knowing that Turkish men like blondes. They are more willing to sell their goods, so they advertise ! Therefore, they are more professional, unlike those natural haitred chicks who do not even care about their looks. I think that's why, the odds of being disappointed with a blonde is less.

Aslan Kral is a good observer, I believe he works as an auditor or inspector somewhere. I appreciate his way of catching things "between the lines" and his sense of humor in squeezing his comments between his lines. That's a gentleman !

I have a word for Nose-Dick : The only excess time you will need for FS in Aksaray will be the time you will spend in the Taxi - that is 1/2 hour... As for myself, I would not pay 120-150 million for just a HJ or BJ, whilst I could have FS in Aksaray for 80 million, for two hours of unlimited service ! All you need is a phone number man ! Then, you will not have sit at a table in Irmak and wait what your merciless fate will offer, for hours and hours...

Member #2376

08-03-04, 20:11

Hi guys,

I just got back from my military service in Turkey. Before then I was in Texas, USA. So I do not know much about the EE gals in Ýstanbul. However I wanna be with one of them very much which is one of my ideals in my life before I die. Friend of mine had referenced the forum site. I was reading the forum until Yavuz Hayat wrote. I felt guilty. So guys, especially Yavuz Hayat, if you can PM me a gorgeous delightful young EE lady's number, I will be thankful and promise will write my, hopefully, beautiful experience.

Cheers

Mucky Duck

08-03-04, 20:19

During my vacation in Turkey I was able to hook up with 2 Moldovans, 2 Russians, 1 Turk, and 1 Rumanian. All of them were great except for the Rumanian in Seranda. All of them had darkish hair except for the Rumanian. Yavuz Havut, if you ever get down to Antalya I know a place were you can have some fun.

Prince2

08-03-04, 22:32

Age of girls:

Hi guys. Reading the many posts i get the feeling that most of the EE girls are quite old e.g. 25 and above. Would you guys tend to agree with this? I prefer girls in the age range 20-22 years as i find they are less likely to be professional and hardened by the work they do. Any comments?

Vegamars

08-04-04, 07:41

if you're experienced enough to select, you can find pretty young girls.

it's true that there are a lot of girls of age 24 and above[deleted by admin].

more important of all is how the girl looks and performs rather than the real age.

editor's note: posting of this report was delayed pending removal references to **** persons.

i am aware that the vast majority of references to **** girls are legitimate attempts to warn other fellow members about how easy it is to accidentialy pickup an **** girls, the potential dangers of being caught with **** girls, etc. however, past discussions in the forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterperated, and without starting flame wars.

anyway, to avoid delays in future reports, please do not post references to **** persons in the forum. thanks!

Nose Dick

08-04-04, 08:14

Kayinco: Thanks for the place in Gayrettepe. I have heard about it but never experienced yet. I'll keep the site posted about it.

Yavuz: I guess I wasn't very clear. I have few phone numbers et. all. And I truly understand that you don't want to pay +120mil for 25 minutes. What I am saying is sometimes 25 minutes is all I am looking for. That's all.

Cheers,

Prince2

08-04-04, 21:06

Vegamars

Don't get me wrong I don't like them as young as 17 - just not older than around 25. Yes you are correct, the service they provide is far more important than their age. I still have not made up my mind of where to travel. I have a week on my hands for a purely mongering holiday. I have narrowed it down to Kiev, Istanbul or N. Cyprus.

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to add standard capitalization throughout the text. To avoid delays in future reports, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no capital lettering. Thanks!

Mattador

08-05-04, 05:05

Fellow mongers,

After a long break, let me continue reporting my experience in Gold Can.

(you may refer to my post dated 21st July for some background)

I left Gold Can with Olga, the Ukranian. Total bill was 27Million, for 3 beers and a plate of salty peanuts.

She’s a real beer fan, so we stopped on the way to buy a six-pack. No hassle at the reception of Holiday Inn. We chatted for some time in the balcony drinking beer, overlooking the see of Marmara, and then moved inside the room for business. Very long and quality BBBJ followed by an enthusiastic fuck in several positions. I couldn’t last long.

As we gave a break, she approached me asking whether I’m tired, and if so, she could massage me. An irressistable offer. Half an hour great full-body massage, which would cost a good $30 if I got it at the health club of the hotel. Sounds like a rebate, ha ?

Massage was followed by another long-lasting sensible very much appreciated BBBJ.

I had to ask her to stop half-way though, as I wanted to eat her shaven pussy.

Unless she pretended so well, she came. And I slipped into her (covered). Again, very good sex lasting almost another half-an-hour.
As we finished, she put on her clothes, and moved to the balcony popping up another can of beer. We started talking about this and that, and she asked if there was any other girl I fancied at Gold Can. Normally, this is a tough and tricky question to answer when placed by your GF :)

So I gave the right answer saying I already chose the prettiest one. But she was serious about it, and she had noticed me carefully examining another blonde. Girls!

She suggested if I had time and the strength, she could invite that girl to my hotel. I suddenly became excited about the idea, but unfortunately the other girl (Olya) was already on business. So I offerred Olga a ride back, and asked her if it’s fine if we went back to Gold Can and maybe she could be my voluntary interpreter, and I could pay her for that, in currency of beers. She liked the idea, and we drove back to Gold Can.

We settled at the same table, and she told the waiters that I’m a friend, which ensured any drink she had is charged in the publicly available menu rates without any hidden charges. My eyes caught a pretty faced, slim body red-head, who Olga said she doesn’t know well.

Usual process of invitation to the table, a coctail, $50 quoted rate for 2 hours, but she refused to come back with me to Holiday Inn. Was quite funny to see Olga trying to convince her that I’m indeed a good man (Is this not called pimping and not considered illegal in anywhere in the world ?)

After she left the table, Olga was complaining to me that she’s crazy, but my eyes had already caught this firm athletic body (9/10) around 1.75 in heights, and not more than a bare 50kgs, with a just decent face (7/10), long and slightly curly hair. Olga stated she’s probably a new-comer, as she had never seen her in Gold Can. Again the customary invitation to table, a coctail for her, a beer for Olga, and I was fine with my vodka-redbull. She barely spoke any english or turkish. Olga made the deal saying she’s OK to follow me to Holiday Inn. No talk of money. I settled the bill, 40 million which includes 2 coctails, 2 beers for Olga, my vodka-redbull and a plate of nuts, quite a bargain, or maybe a discount for the frequenter :)

I left an extra 20million note asking the waiter to bring some more beer to my friend Olga.

As we got into the car, she handed me her passport without me asking for it, and oh god, she’s only 19. I checked the stamps, and she was in business in UAE for 3 months back this winter, and was in Istanbul for only 6 days. I tried to start-up some conversation. No success. I was not able to understand her English, only that she was a University student and from the passport, she is from Tadjikistan.

Again no hassle at the reception, just that the bell-boy was grinning to have seen me twice in maybe 4 hours with a different girl. As we got into the room, she went to the bathroom to shower, came back fully naked. A body to die for.

I asked her if she’d like a drink and she picked up a whisky from the minibar. Still no talk of money. Good or bad sign?

We started kissing immediately, and I went down her shaven pussy, firm and smooth legs. I could easily faint. Three full hours of continuous banging, in any position you could imagine, interrupted just by visits to the bathroom, which were all the calls of nature, and the minibar. She was so horny.

I would never call this a GFE, as sex with GFEs are usually not this quality nor satisfactory. And the last time, I just couldn’t help myself and slipped into her uncovered. Was just a natural tendency & reaction of my and her human bodies.

I wasn’t able to move a single muscle when we finished, and she gave me a short but good massage on my legs and feet. We exchanged numbers as she got dressed. Still no talk of money!

I gave her a ride back to the Aksaray area, and dropped her around McDonalds.

She called me like half-an-hour later, gigling and saying ‘money’. Oh, fuck!!! Not that I did not want to remind her of that the whole time, nor wanted to escape without paying, but honestly just forgot. We both had forgotten.

When she called, I was already sipping my beer in Taksim with a happy face on me, and I apologized clearly stating I totally forgot it. Though I asked her to join me in Taksim, she probably did not get it.

Next two days I called her to meet up again, and pay her my debt, but she was busy both times and never called back afterwards. One of the best (supposed-to-be-paid-by-definition) fucks of my life and actually was for free. A unique experience.

Happy mongering,

Mattador

Hi,

This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.

I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it easier to read a report if the paragraphs are separated by a single blank line.

I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key TWICE at the end of each paragraph, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.

Thanks,

Jackson

Mucky Duck

08-05-04, 11:46

I would agree with the fact that most of the EE girls are in their late to mid-20s. Most of them have been in the business for more than a day, are return customers to Turkey and therefore are more businesslike in their actions. That being said, you can find younger ones...both of the girls I met up with in Antalya were young. I know because they showed me their passports. One was 20 (and looked 15) and the other was 22. No doubt, those are best to go with as long as they have some sexual experience.

Mucky Duck

08-06-04, 13:48

Bad news Yavuz, I just left Istanbul last night and I'm currently home. I wish you could have suggested having a beer in Irmak while I was there, I definitely would have taken you up on it. I never did hook up with Allya, God knows I tried. Here's how it went: I took your advice and went to Irmak and got a seat outside on the covered patio that that they have there. I ordered a beer and called Allya. I got her on the first try but still met up with the same language problem.

Eventually I deduced enough to know that she was at the Chicago bar/disco and that if I wanted her, she'd be there. Hmmm, I thought, that sounds kind of fishy and I'm normally leery of going to places where I don't have good, positive intel. I then asked the waiter if he knew where this place was and he replied "yeah, it's just up the street from McDonald's but be very careful. This is one of those rip-off places". Well, that settled it for me. I said forget that and just decided to call Jenia and see if she was available.

Luck was with me and she picked up on the first ring. She was surprised to find out I was sitting at Irmak but told me that she didn't want to meet me there. I decided on the Hotel Orange based on Yavuz's recommendation and way I went. I met up with Jenia in the lobby and then we proceeded to check in. I had a problem with the clerk this time because he wouldn't accept my BS driver's license as prood of ID. I didn't really feel like wasting my time arguing with him, most of all because he had the law on his side, so I just pushed a 20 Mill TL note across the counter and said "Will this rectify the problem?" His eyes lit up and nothing more was heard on the subject. The price for the room was 55 mill TL. Unlike in Seranda, I wasn't given any time limit so I'm assuming that I could have stayed there the whole night.

Anyways, we went up with a hotel clerk and he showed us to our room. Got in, and hey, not bad at all; clean, well lit, relatively spacious rooms, I've stayed in worse places during vacations and business trips. Well, just like last time we went at it and it was a lot of fun. I'm not going to go into all of the gory details, suffice to say that Jenia provides an excellent GFE.

After our first go round, I heard a strange message coming from my cellphone. Jenia said"you've got an e-mail message coming." I thought, who the heck can that be? Well blow me down, it was all in Turkish but I could see two words and times that I understood: Chicago and Imperator. I gave the cell to Jenia to see if she could make out the message. Se said that it was from some girl and it said that that she would be at the Chicago disco until midnight and afterwards at the Imperator disco. Allya, I thought, oh well, I tried but I think I'll pass.

After that, we got it on again. After two times, I felt satisfied and we decided to call it a day. Hahaha, Yavuz knows this but Jenia is real good looker and it's always a treat to walk with her down the street to see men's reaction. This time, as we walked across the street from McDonald's towards Irmak, I saw this old gent almost break his neck following Jenia. I then observed him do a u turn and begin following us. As I hailed a taxi and kissed Jenia goodbye he was still following and began calling out to Jenia but she wasn't paying him any attention. Eventually, he resorted to clapping his hands to see if he could get her attention. It was really quite funny actually.

P.S.: Yavuz, I met with Jenia one last time before I left. This, not to have sex, but just to talk and to give her some of the toiletries that she liked from my hotel. She told me that she probably won't be in Turkey too much longer because her divorce to her Turkish "husband" has just become final. Enjoy her while she's around.