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El, Ukraine and Kiev is dead - don't come...
Just kidding...
There is action abound in both Kiev and the rest of the Ukraine. The only difference now is that the game in Kiev has elevated. Those with umm, less developed social skills are finding things tougher then they had in the past. The never ending supply of super hot girls are still in Kiev - more being born every day too.
Travel Addict
12-03-06, 23:46
Hey Experts, if you were coming to Kiev or Odessa the first time, for a week, tell me how you would plan the perfect week. I know RTFF but if someone has the time, just cut to the chase and tell us where you would stay and where you would monger, a sort of "IF I KNEW THEN WHAT I KNOW NOW..." kind of summary of the perfect week.
I am curious and only curious.
Is it possible to sponsor a virgin?
Someone who is an adult, over 18 etc? I have herd of guys paying a lot of money for this using middle men, but I am curious if anyone has herd of anything related to sponsoring a virgin?
I have a question for the Doc (and everyone else here):
What sort of clothing is seen as acceptable to the Ukraine ladies, especially in a place like Arena? I confess to not noticing in my recent visits (not prone to checking out guy's fashion).
I've long since abandoned the American-style sneakers for more of a Euro look, but are jeans normal in Kiev, or would that be too casual?
Doctor_Skank
12-07-06, 14:07
I have a question for the Doc (and everyone else here):
What sort of clothing is seen as acceptable to the Ukraine ladies, especially in a place like Arena? I confess to not noticing in my recent visits (not prone to checking out guy's fashion).
I've long since abandoned the American-style sneakers for more of a Euro look, but are jeans normal in Kiev, or would that be too casual?
B88:
Depending on the situation, jeans are fine. I often wear jeans with nice shoes and a nice shirt or casual jacket/blazer. In fact I usually wear jeans, as suit pants are a bit too dressy for me since I do sometimes even dance when going to the clubs... on those occasions I may even go very casual in terms of shirt and footwear.
You can generally get away with sneakers as well... but should make sure that they are club sneakers and not just run of the mill athletic shoes.
Dress shoes are required at some gentleman's clubs, for example RP. They are strict on this. Arena is not.
I have noticed that Ukrainian security is more goonish than Russian security, probably because Russian elite have been more adept and quick at adopting European club chic, which is more liberal than the strict flathead look that dominated the 90's in Russia. Ukraine will surely follow, but many Ukrainian men are still stuck in the wannabe mafia mode with their comically stupid all black tough guy uniforms, buzzcuts and dumb pointy pseudo-hip elf shoes.
A lot will depend on the girl too. If she is a regular club goer, she'll be much more likely to see an expensive pair of casually hip or sneaker type shoes and a casual shirt with jeans as a very cool alternative to more conservative leather shoes and suit jacket... she'll also be able to recognize which designer goods you are wearing... but if she is more of the "farm girl" or "left-over Soviet" type which many Ukrainians are, she'll most likely stick to the stringent "real men wear suits and expensive shoes" mentality.
What do I wear? My "target audience" is 18-20 year old girls and I wear a variety of styles, from very casual long-sleeve t-shirt with jeans and casual shoes to something dressier like a dark suit jacket with a white shirt and Diesel or Boss jeans together with either dark brown leather dress shoes or Boss club sneakers.
The most important question is however which look works best with the ladies... and I am ashamed to admit that for me it is in fact the Euro standard:
* dark tailored jacket
* white shirt, top two buttons unbuttoned
* jeans or dark trousers (no chinos!)
* dress shoes or expensive club shoes
* expensive watch
I know it is a cliche, but girls go for it.
And I had hoped they just loved the "me" inside... :(
BTW: I'm 35ish so I can't dress like a wannabe gangsta baggy-pants hiphop thugette or a guyliner-wearing marshmallow-faced EMO star... that would be ridiculous...
Significantly younger guys might be better off going with... and getting away with... a more youthful MTV-inspired look... after all, 20 year olds shouldnt wear suits. :)
Doctor_Skank
12-07-06, 14:10
I am curious and only curious.
Is it possible to sponsor a virgin?
Someone who is an adult, over 18 etc? I have herd of guys paying a lot of money for this using middle men, but I am curious if anyone has herd of anything related to sponsoring a virgin?
Never heard of it personally. Methinks you'd have to be quite connected with some local pimp to arrange for this sort of thing and the girl would most likely be younger than 18.
Any agency that would advertise providing sacrificial virgins would probably give you a girl on her 8th or 9th virginity.... :)
I've always been a suit and tie kinda guy. I find it works extremely well in Kiev and it also works well in the US and Western Europe - or excuse my big ego it might just be me, I think it is a combination of both. I must admit spending a large chunk of my misplaced youth in Europe I never really got into the between look - a suit jacket with something other then a suit. It's funny, I remember going to somewhat formal Holiday festival occasion and I was going to pair my German fuscia suit jacket (hush, it was the early 90's) with a pair of jeans. I thought my then very young and unsophisticated American girlfriend was going to cry (that's the way I dressed in Europe I told her). That was the last time I ever tried to pair a suit jacket with anything other then a suit. ;)
I can't find fault with your methods. But don't be too hard on the throwback FSU - remember that is why we go there (for those with no business there). When they unfortunately catch up with McAmerica in a few years it will not be a good thing. Chubby chicks in tight jeans wearing sneakers in not my thing - and I'm spotting that far too often in center Kiev for my liking. Heck I was never much of a pin strip suit kinda guy but I make sure to bring one when going to the FSU and I tend not pack my light color shirts in favour of the darker ones. I'm trying to get into the 50's rat pack thing in Kiev. Maybe we can find Sammy (I'll be Dean, you can be Frank) the next time we are in Kiev and pick up some swinging chicks. ;)
Doctor_Skank
12-07-06, 23:38
It's all about looking like you are wearing the clothes and the clothes aren't wearing you...
...suits are fine, I just wear them to work all day and love to get out of them at night.
As for suit jackets with jeans, I tend to wear the kind of suit jacket that is supposed to be worn with jeans, not just my suit jacket sans matching bruki.
By the way, Dean and Frank sounds like a good deal... I am really looking good for a few days in Kiev around Super Bowl time.
BTW2: If you like Frank, read this. Great stuff. That guy sure did a lot of fucking.
http://www.amazon.com/Mr-My-Life-Frank-Sinatra/dp/0060596740/sr=8-1/qid=1165531075/ref=sr_1_1/103-0655706-3135808?ie=UTF8&s=books
As for living the life soviet', I agree that it can be great. The Soviet throwback type of girl can really fuck.
Big Bro AJ
12-14-06, 07:54
My buddies and I are invited to Yalta for pleasure and business purposes.
Our transportation and accomnodation will be arranged by our men.
Any tips about Yalta...
Sevastopol1
12-14-06, 16:12
Probably your best bet is the big hotel on the front (forgot it's name, at the mo) or the casino also on the promenade. Yalta is quiet this time of the year same as Sevastopol until summer, But if your friends are locals they probably know far better than me!
Gentleman Travel
02-01-07, 21:15
I have a jaunt to Paris coming up in two weeks and Iwas thinking about trying to recruit a "good time girl" from the FSU to join me for a fun weekend. I figure the local pickings in Paris will not be good for me (age 48) and a cheap Russian airfare will pay off better than an expensive Parisian hooker. And I figure a free trip to Paris would be of some interest to some classes of FSU girls.
The problem is the timeline. I have a number of Russian and Ukrainian prospects, but they would need visas to travel to France wouldn't they? And even if these could be obtained inside two weeks, there would be the issue of "I need $100 for the visa, darling, but I promise I will come.."
So any suggestions for countries that have desperate dyevs but no visa restrictions that might yield profitable prospects would be greatly appreciated!
Cheers,
GT
GT, attempting to recruit a Russian girl off the internet to go to Paris is such a shot in the dark I would hate to think about it. Unless you or some one you know knows some one in the French government attempting to get a visa in two weeks is just about impossible.
But...
If you still want to try I suggest finding a girl who can already travel to France. Buy the plane ticket in her name so she can pick it up at the airport desk. That way if it's a scam you are out the price of the ticket but no scammer profits from it.
Do not forget that Ukranians can have visa to Slovakia very easy and for free, it is enough as documents a fax that proove she has reserved a hotel in Slovak Republic and she will obtain visa with zero grivnas....
And by ryanair you can go to Bratislava for few euro....and she can travel by train or autobus...so it is cheap too...
Just another option... poka poka ;)
Hi guys,
I've been a member for a while and read the forums to pass time. Have only once been to Latvia and Lithuania (for a few weeks) in the eastern bloc and there's really not that much to contribute about those two countries. What can be said about them, have already been mentioned.
I've never mongered and so far, have relied on my game to score freebies. I’m just past my mid-twenties so I generally go for university students. My favorite haunts are student hang outs, where there’s not that many older men (and foreigners in general) in the hunt. I am usually taken as an Erasmus exchange student.
Planning on moving to E.E. at the end of the year or maybe early 2008. Yes, I would be settling down over there and leaving this place which is a stupid 30 hours flight to Europe. So, I would really like to start corresponding with the seasoned contributors of this forum who either live or go often to E.E. and indulge in possibly the best region on earth for Caucasian scores.
I know a lot has been raved on about places such as Czech, Romania, Moldova etc… (I have read those threads too) but I have come to the conclusion that Russia and Ukraine would have to wind hands down; in terms of the quality, quantity and satisfactory experiences.
But since this is a Ukrainian thread and as such, we will leave out mother USSR for now. One country at a time right?
A lot has been posted in regards to the spoils in Kiev and Odessa. What I am really interested in, is the comparison of these two cities. It seems some of the best posts have come from people who have predominantly focused on one particular city. They generally go back again and again, each time hoping to do better than the last one. Some of you have been doing this for years, to my envy.
So, is there anyone out there that are SEASONED PROS in both cities and could take the time to benefit us all; in giving an unbiased post based on personal experiences in both cities of Kiev and Odessa?
I may be starting up a business that would give me the opportunity to visit Ukraine on a regular basis. Therefore, it would be greatly appreciated to learn from your experiences as to which city I should visit more often.
Kherson / Lugansk / Other Areas – were included in the title because I was interested in the rest of the country and may need to hire some locals to help out with my business.
Actually, does anyone know which city/town has a big population of high school or university students? I’m not looking for programmers or computer engineers. A sufficient candidate i.e. an average salary earner that has some kind of high school education who would like to earn extra money by doing mundane computer data entry work. Just places that haven’t got the in-your-face, free-flow of “Russian money” from dodgy characters with trophy girlfriends, as evident in Kiev and Odessa in summer.
It’s best to keep business separated from private fun. Say, during a month long visit, I don’t have a problem with spending a few days in a small town managing these affairs, then head off to Kiev or Odessa for a few weeks of games.
Sorry for the long post!
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Bez Bezarra
02-06-07, 02:22
I'm a member but I've never mongered.
I’m leaving a place which is a 30 hour flight to Europe.
I'm a monger but I've never membered.
Do you live on Easter Island or fly a glider?
Hey Bez
Yeh, was a viewing member before with very limited access. I subscribed for one reason only, so I can view the pictures you guys post up. I didn't have much to contribute at the time so it would have taken me too long to get to senior member status that has "View Photos" access. But that's all changed recently, regular members now can also view photos.
Nah, actually I live on the coast of a big ass island with nothing but red dust and rocks in the middle call Australia. You know, that glider thing could be really cool in Romania. Imagine flying over Transylvania as part of your trip.
Could I trouble you in giving us your comparison of Kiev vs. Odessa? :))
Bez Bezarra
02-06-07, 13:17
Hey Bez
I subscribe so I can view pictures you post.
Could I trouble you in giving comparison?
Well well. You've redeemed yourself with humility. A very clever offer of
tribute. You will a fine monger make, aussie. Use the force.
I'd only disappoint you with any X vs Y comparisons, and any number of
others would jump all over anything I could share. Since you are a still
a youngling, speaking some russian is your best plan, no matter where
you go. Otherwise, knowing someone on the inside will make or break
your visits. Personally, my Kiev mamachka is not around anymore, so
that city is off my list now. All the fotos I've posted were from intro-
ductions she arranged, without her, I get only rejects.
You can try to make your own inside connections, sometimes this works,
just as often it doesn't. In Odeca, you may get lucky, probably not.
The more time you put in, the better your chances. That's it.
Street Sleuth
02-06-07, 20:04
Saunter,
Kiev vs. Odessa? I have fairly limited (one week or so) experience with Kiev, several months with Odessa. Kiev is a bigger city - if you plan on doing a lot of playing around, it is a safer place (in Odessa, you tend to bump into the same people over and over, which can have its downsides). I haven't experienced Odessa in the middle of summer, when it is supposed to be smoking. So I won't offer any further comparison as far as that goes.
On the economic note, though, you'll find college students/etc willing to work just about everywhere, though salaries are highest in Kiev. There is a town about 4 hours from Kiev by train - Vinnitsa - several Universities, and plenty of bilinguals willing to work on the cheap.
Where are you flying from? Mars?
RTFF?
By dodgy characters do you mean expats looking to maybe start a business? Plenty of them here. ;)
Report of distinction? This is a joke right?
Planning on moving to E.E. at the end of the year or maybe early 2008. Yes, I would be settling down over there and leaving this place which is a stupid 30 hours flight to Europe.
________
So, is there anyone out there that are SEASONED PROS in both cities and could take the time to benefit us all; in giving an unbiased post based on personal experiences in both cities of Kiev and Odessa?
_________
Actually, does anyone know which city/town has a big population of high school or university students? I’m not looking for programmers or computer engineers. A sufficient candidate i.e. an average salary earner that has some kind of high school education who would like to earn extra money by doing mundane computer data entry work. Just places that haven’t got the in-your-face, free-flow of “Russian money” from dodgy characters with trophy girlfriends, as evident in Kiev and Odessa in summer.
________
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Where are you flying from? Mars?My second post mentions what country I'd be flying from and it's NOT Mars.
RTFF?Bit hollow coming from someone who fails to read my post properly. FYO, I have RTFF which is why I stated the following:
A lot has been posted in regards to the spoils in Kiev and Odessa. What I am really interested in, is the comparison of these two cities. It seems some of the best posts have come from people who have predominantly focused on one particular city.I have gained a lot from the Kiev, Odessa and Other Areas posts; but I haven't found a post by any seasoned mongers (who has frequented these cities) done an anlysis and comparison in ONE single post.
By dodgy characters do you mean expats looking to maybe start a business? Plenty of them here. ;)No, (again, as stated in my post) I mean the 'new' Russians who flaunt it in Kiev or all head down to Odessa in summer time with their trophy girlfriends, sit in the private tables and watch their girls girating to the music and tease foreigners like us with their glances and stares.
Report of distinction? This is a joke right?Far from it, I was just hoping to get a comparison of score experiences (paid and freebies) from the seasoned mongers. Hopefully, someone will be generous enough to write an insightful post that will benefit us all and thus, making their post worthy for a 'Report of Distinction'.
Kudos to everything you have contributed to this forum so far and I am not interested in a flame war with you or try out-doing each other in terms of contribution. As a newbie, I know my place in this forum and will endeavour to 'give back' once I make the move over there with 'real-time-in-action' and have something worthwhile to share.
To be honest, your reply gives me the impression of an immature grown man.
Much appreciated to Street Sleuth's comments albeit it being short.
I was just commenting last night to a friend as we were sitting in a Kiev strip club that it must really suck having to grow up. Does it?
Hope you have a good time in Kiev.
To be honest, your reply gives me the impression of an immature grown man.
Hope you have a good time in Kiev.Sent you a PM. I won't be in Ukraine anytime soon and it might not be Kiev first. Though, it does seem you prefer Kiev over Odessa?
Doctor_Skank
02-10-07, 00:15
Hi guys,
So, is there anyone out there that are SEASONED PROS in both cities and could take the time to benefit us all; in giving an unbiased post based on personal experiences in both cities of Kiev and Odessa?
Kiev vs. Odessa vs. Other Areas
Unsurprisingly, there are a lot of differences and a lot of similiarities between the three, but it boils down to this simple fact:
* Whether or not you get laid and how often you get laid there, either by a pro or freebie, will depend largely upon your own INITIATIVE.
Time and time again I am reminded that there is no single recipe or rules of conduct in being a successful monger. This underscores the absolute value of multiple reports from different perspectives. I am happy that many read my reports and enjoy them. I am equally happy to read the reports of others and take them to heart, drawing new ideas from them that I put to practice. Sometimes I find the new info to be useful to me. Sometimes it just doesn't match my modus operandi at all and I stick to the methods that work best for me.
I liken this to the differing tastes in women. I've lusted after and absolutely adored women some guys wouldn't give more than a casual glance too. On the other hand I've banged and the thrown away girls other guys would pay $500 just to be within arm's reach of. To each his own. This goes for Ukraine just the same as Dubai, Pattaya or Des Moines.
Nonetheless, even if just for the sake of academic satisfaction, I enjoy comparisons just as much as anyone else and since I've been to Kiev, Odessa and the mysterious "other areas" on a few occassions (even though I don't consider myself a true expert on any of them) I'll offer my 3 cents.
Here are the deciding factors.
* Self-appraisal
Before deciding on where to go, be honest with yourself about who you are, what you want and what you are able to do. A big factor is language. You can get by with just English anywhere in the world, this is true. It isn't a question of just "getting by" however. You want to not only survive, you want to survive and thrive. You can survive quite easily in Kiev with only English. Your options will be limited to a certain extent, but you will still have enough options to be happy and enjoy yourself. In Odessa and Other Areas, your ability to even get by with only English is somewhat hampered, oddly enough particularly when it comes to dealing with pros. Normally one would think that economics would mean the madams and pros would be the first to learn English, but this is not the case. I don't care what anybody says, most pros, especially those outside of the capital Kiev, are of average to low educational background. Just because she is "a student" or once learned to play the piano, doesn't make her an inherently bright girl. Everybody is a student in Ukraine. Of the hundreds of women I have met in EE, only a handful were actually honest enough to tell me they worked in a shop without claiming to have actually studied something of importance. Freebies are almost invariably smarter than pros and you can always find some hot ones that speak at least conversational English, even though if I am honest, I'd have to say that Russians are considerably smarter than Ukrainians. It's probably me just being spoiled by Moscow, but Moscow vs. Kiev is really City vs. Village.
Moral of the story? If your Russian sucks or is non-existent, you'll struggle to find nice pro options in Odessa or Other Areas. It can be done for sure, but as I said before, you'll need INITIATIVE. You'll have to go find them, they won't come to you. Kiev is another story, there are numerous English-Speaking agencies and options. Kiev is relatively easy in this sense.
Self-appraisal is also important when determining whether or not you'll do well with freebies (normal non-pro girls).
If you can get laid in your own country for free, you'll do quite well in Ukraine. If you have a tough time getting laid in your own country, you'll find Ukraine to be a challenge. Chances are you'll still score, but you'll probably have to put in so much effort that it'll barely seem worth it and you aren't likely to get upper tier girls... but as I said before, to each his own. Your joy in the arms of a female is yours to keep and cherish and nobody can challenge it. The only person you are competing against is yourself. Language is also a factor in dealing with freebies... speaking even passable Russian increases your options greatly, but even with "just English" you should be able to find enough entertainment, particularly in Kiev or a university town. There are some sizzling hot English speaking girls and women in Kiev. Use your INITIATIVE.
* Quality of women
The best women always flock to big cities and resort towns and Ukraine is no exception. Kiev is great in the winter and Odessa is amazing in the summer. You can find great women anywhere in Ukraine though, so merely looking for the best women is probably not as important as "where can I find the best women I can actually fuck?"... and I would have to say that Kiev wins. Enough has been written about Odessa already, but it's true that in the summer Odessa demands your "A-game" whereas Kiev and Other Areas are "B-game" territory. If you can't decide then do like Skank does... Kiev in the winter and Odessa in the summer. It's that easy. If you decide for Other Areas, bring at least 10 days (2 weekends) with you. The clubs are only good on the weekends
* Cost
This really shouldn't be a factor. I do not want to sound elitist, but if you can't afford a $70/night apartment and $100 to get laid, you'd probably better stay home or go to Thailand. Bring some money with you to Ukraine. Time and time again I have discovered that "more money = more fun = more girls". This is obviously true with pros (although I don't condone overspending, I am just saying don't be overcheap or paranoid about being ripped off), but equally true with freebies. This doesn't mean spending money on girls automatically gets you laid and it certainly doesn't mean you should throw money around. Girls aren't so much attracted to money as much as they are to the fun that money generates. There is a big difference between a lonely guy at the bar nursing his beer while nervously eyeing the dance floor and a couple of guys sitting at a table adjacent to the dance floor laughing and sipping champagne or cocktails happily flirting with the girls walking by. It's no surprise that girls want to go where the fun is. Cyndi Lauper said it best "Girls just wanna have fun". So do I. That's why I always take more money with me than I expect to spend and don't regret it when I do. I might not be rich, but I'm rich in girl stories... :)
Kiev and Odessa are about the same in running costs. Other Areas is slightly, but not significantly, cheaper.
In terms of pro action, Kiev has everything from $50/hour to $500/overnight girls. YMMV. I personally don't like to spend more than $150/2 hours for take home from a pickup bar. $150/2 hours almost always ends up being a 4 hour + session. It's the fun factor that keeps them around. Salon girls go for $100/2 hours, but have to be back in exactly 2 hours and almost always CBJ.
Odessa and Other Areas have slightly cheaper pro options, but it is harder to find good pros. You might find a $100 angel in Dnepro, but you'll come across a dozen goblins first... at least until you find that Golden Key... the right connections. A good mamachka, salon, strip club or even taxi driver can keep you fed with girls for a long time. Referrals are great too. Pro girls always have friends in the same business. Speaking Russian helps a lot in building these networks.
* The White God factor
With freebies, it's highest in Other Areas obviously, but I personally haven't found it much easier in Other Areas than Kiev for example. The main factor in finding available women is whether a) its the capital and b) whether its a university town. Well, there's only one capital, but plenty of university towns. And there is only one capital AND university town. Just like in any other country in the world, college women are the easiest women around and Ukraine is no exception. With pros, there is no White God factor. They might thank you afterwards for being such a nice fuck though. And they mean it.
* The local competition
This should be the least of your worries. It's out there, but if she prefers locals to you, you have no chance anyway. Particularly if she only speaks Russian and you only speak English, she'll most likely stick with people she can actually talk to. Imagine that.
If she likes the flash cash and money of the local high-rollers, don't waste your time trying to keep up. You'll either fail or just waste a lot of money acting like some flathead guido-wanna-be. There are plenty of other girls around.
In terms of "mafia" locals running the show, Other Areas is oddly enough the worst for this. Kiev and Odessa have lots of clubs and lots of places to go. Other Areas have limited club options and the locals all go to the same 2-3 clubs... sometimes even just 1 good club in town. High-profiling in local provincial clubs might have an undesired effect.
By the way, "mafia" is an overglamourized term in Ukraine. Most "mafia" guys you see in clubs are just local thugs. Real mafia kingpins don't go out, they have the party come to them. Mafia isn't really bad either. Nearly ever single one of my business partners in Russia and Ukraine is paying somebody or getting paid BY somebody. It's just the way business is done there. Ultimately ineffective for the grow of the nation, but makes plenty of local kingpins rich and happy... and very defensive of their little empires.
Conclusion:
Newbies to Ukraine should try Kiev first if they have any doubts. If you are feeling courageous, you can go to the Other Areas and work your way through the minefields. You'll be sure to have some unforgettable experiences, ones you'll never forget.
I think all three areas have their own unique charm. I go to relax in Kiev, party in Odessa and hunt in Other Areas.
Doctor, one of the best posts I have seen in a long time - might even be one of the best.
Sorry we didn't get to spend quality time in Kiev. But between 109 and his seemly endless energy and my three date a day schedule I was just too drained. The next time I am in Kiev for a couple of months you are going to have to come at the beginning of my trip, not the end. ;)
Nistelrooy
02-15-07, 21:35
I would strongly recommend avoiding the following agencies (all are the same company):
1) www.mystay.org (they provide apartments in Denepropetrovsk);
2) Cindy's Agency or
3) Cinderalla Agency (both are marriage agencies)
I booked for in advance and paid for an apartment with mystay.org; They confirmed receipt of payment and guaranteeed the apartment since I already pre-paid. When I arrived in Dnepropetrovsk, they were a no show at the airport. I went directly to the office after taking a taxi from the airport and they said the apartment was unavailable and they had nothing else.
They claimed they would refund the deposit but never did. I have used apartment agencies in Kiev several times with no problems: Eastonhouse; Kievapartments4you.com but if you are going to get an apartment or looking for a marriage/dating service in Dnepropetrovsk, krivvy Rog, etc. I would avoid the above mentioned companies.
from the 2007 banned users list forum from today:
banned: vincevoyeur
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reason: where do i begin?
1. allegations that he's been using the pm system to promote **** girls.
2. posting a link to his personal photo gallery.
3. sending me an email falsely claiming that he paid for a subscription.
4. allegations that he posted photos stolen from other website.
5. several instances of posting racist remarks.
6. literally dozens and dozens of complaints from other forum members.
it's obvious that i should have banned him long ago, but he continued to manage to operate just under the wire with several multi-month periods of reasonable posts, and then with uncanny accuracy he would start posting his brand of bs after i had taken my eye off of him.
i'm so fucking tired of serial antagonists on the forum that i'm completely revising the banning procedure to simply delete any member upon their second questionable report, no questions asked. what do you think?
thanks,
jackson
and we thank you, jackson!
The only sad part is that we will never get to hear about VV's 2nd trip to Lugansk.
vv didn't plan to come back to lugansk but to brest (belarus), he doesn't go twice in the same ee town. if people are still interested about his adventures, they may go to a well known competitive forum.
about point #1, i don't think he's ****, he even likes mature women. but he is so fascinated by women depravity : hardcore porn, std, forced prostitution, sex slavery, buying a woman, and **** is a part of it.
about point #2, everybody should know he has no personal gallery. he just trades and posts other's photos without asking.
about point #5, he is ok with blacks and asians but not with arabs and jewishes (antisemitism).
about point #6, thanks to other members, i wasn't the only one complaining about him.
vv is not such a bad guy. but he has psychological / relational problems, he needs help with a good psychologist and this forum wasn't a good place for him.
American Ukraine
03-03-07, 13:32
I will miss him :)
Now he is posting my photos on an other forum.
Sevastopol1
03-06-07, 08:13
March 8th is nearly upon us, forget this very important day at your peril?
Sev
ChrisForSex
03-06-07, 22:56
I want to write what a great time I had with Ania from http://www.gia.com.ua
tonight. She is beautiful, sexy and has a great attitude.
She was fun to be with and I would definately call for her again!
Her service was exactaly as promised.
Chris - How is it that you write great reports ONLY about the GIA ladies?
Could it be that you are a liar and that you work for GIA?
GIA is the worst and most over-priced agency in Kiev.
It's only good point is that the photos come somewhat close to resembling the ladies.
Otherwise it is a total waste of effort. The ladies are lazy, fat, and almost all of them are past their "use-by" date.
Chris - How is it that you write great reports ONLY about the GIA ladies?
Could it be that you are a liar and that you work for GIA?
GIA is the worst and most over-priced agency in Kiev.
It's only good point is that the photos come somewhat close to resembling the ladies.
Otherwise it is a total waste of effort. The ladies are lazy, fat, and almost all of them are past their "use-by" date.Frankly speaking I do not think so. I do not mean on the author. Yes Gia is a little bit overpriced, the girls are no stunners, but Yulia, Irina and others I had got all the cum I could produce! (specially in face and in mouth! )
Bu on ground I have to be there next week I'll be happy if you can report here some sites. As I did for Russia.
Thanks
PS By the way I am really in need of some good Anal service.
American Ukraine
03-07-07, 11:00
Chris - How is it that you write great reports ONLY about the GIA ladies?
Could it be that you are a liar and that you work for GIA?
GIA is the worst and most over-priced agency in Kiev.
It's only good point is that the photos come somewhat close to resembling the ladies.
Otherwise it is a total waste of effort. The ladies are lazy, fat, and almost all of them are past their "use-by" date.ChrisForSex works for GIA I saw him in Lugansk. He is a ukranian guy. Was offering me beers to write good about girls from GIA. But I refused. Jackson should ban this freak.
American Ukraine
03-07-07, 11:19
I met this ukrainian guy couple of months back when he was scouting for new girls to work for GIA in the Lugansk area. Hez a pimp! He came up to me in a bar. , . ! When I told him I was on ISG, he was ready to buy me beers to say good things about this stupid agency. He mentioned he was also on the forum with a name chris something. But I did not pay attention. I AM SURE THIS IS THE GUY!
I don't know if GIA is the worst agency in Kiev but I would stay away from any agency that puts up false reports like GIA obviously does.
Editor? Moderator? Admin? Where are you?
What a lame #300 posting.
Gia is having a sale! $10 discount if you act now. haha!
What do they normally charge for those 'top models', and which ones actually look like their pictures? Anyone know?
Brandon,
See my posting in the Kiev Escort section.
The girls rarely look like the ones in the photos.
Now if only GIA had a $50 discount and kept it permanent, that would bring them more into line with the quality of their ladies.
As for ChrisforSex being a local GIA employee, thanks for the confirmation AU.
Jackson, ban the pimp.
Jinks,
I am moving this conversation out of photos to General Info where it actually belongs.
What American Ukraine is telling you about the ladies here and their attitude towards men of color is more or less correct. They are intrigued and interested and you can be very successful.
The other side of the coin is the male of the species here. Skinhead activity is increasing and there recently has been a sharp increase in xenophobia and serious attacks on non-whites in Kiev and elsewhere.
American Ukraine is an Arab, not a Black man so he can more or less blend in locally where there are similar types such as Georgians or Armenians.
What you should do is speak with other Blacks about the the local circumstances here and make your decision. Mostly nothing happens but in the east, in Lugansk and elsewhere, I am not so sure.
American Ukraine
03-13-07, 16:31
Uke Boy, yes I am an arab american, and trust me, arabs are discriminated here and else where more than blacks. And you know why.
When I tell people here my parents migrated to America from an arab country, and I have arab blood in me. They are not very happy about it. And want to concentrate more on the american part of me:)
But that doesnt stop me, I feel a person should be ready to stand up for what he is. And be confident about it, no matter if he is black, yellow or brown. Maybe I should change my id to Arab_American_Ukraine:)
In the end it comes down to how you can handle the place and situation no matter what country we are in and what color of skin we have, we as men can't be scared of such things.
There is no skinhead movement in Lugansk. Because people here are not nationalist. They themselves hate ukraine and ukranian language, they consider themselves russian. 80% of the people here have either a russian mother or a russian father. Basically mixed breed.
I don't think that skinheads will ever exsit in Lugansk. Because skinheads are nationalist people who love their country and everything about it.
And I feel that if a person is confident and is well travelled should not have any problems having fun in a new country, if ones acts scared and lost ofcourse people will try to take advantage of him.
I think Jinks can hanlde himself quite well, my other african friends go around confident and without any worries. Because they don't have this fear in them neither are they complexed about the color of their skin and nothing wrong has happened with them yet.
Chunky2007
03-13-07, 21:09
Chris - How is it that you write great reports ONLY about the GIA ladies?
Could it be that you are a liar and that you work for GIA?
GIA is the worst and most over-priced agency in Kiev.
It's only good point is that the photos come somewhat close to resembling the ladies.
Otherwise it is a total waste of effort. The ladies are lazy, fat, and almost all of them are past their "use-by" date.I had to register to answer you, Uke_Boy. I don’t think you are right about www.gia.com.ua. I don’t think their prices are too high unless you wanted to fuck Ukrainian girls for 20 bucks. If you want so then you simply should go to such websites where 18 y.o. students are searching for moneyfuck and think they are great professionals and write them. But you never see in reality the same girl as in the picture :) But even this 20 buck fuck doesn’t worth of time and money spend on a girl, unless you are deadly drunk ;)
Gia uses real pics and I trust them for it. Everything else is your own opinion.
AU, you are correct, you cannot live in fear of what might or might not happen to you based on your race or ethnicity.
That being said, many of the locals especially those from or who live in the smaller towns and villages are at best naïve and uneducated when it comes to dealing with non-locals and at worst very prejudiced and hateful. Don't forget that until the fall of the USSR, a short 15 years ago, most outside of the major cities never actually saw or met a black or an Arab except on TV. They will also do an excellent job in hiding their true feelings from you to your face.
I won't even get into their main object of prejudice, any one of the various "Caucasian nationalities," or Central Asians who they meet everyday in the local markets and curse them all the way home with their purchases.
It also will not take much to set them off. The word "pogrom" is Russian and still stirs nightmares in many Ukrainian Jews. You should know that most Ukrainian Jews of that time looked, spoke, dressed and were no practically no different than their neighbors in Christian villages.
I do think that skinheads exist in Lugansk. They may not be large in numbers but they are there.
How you act and interact with locals will be the key. That applies to everyone, black, white, yellow, whatever.
However, even you expressed your concerns and reservations when you ended your post with the one word that reveals much - "yet."
And I agree, chances are nothing will happen, and yet...
Bez Bezarra
03-14-07, 04:23
My african friends go around without any worries. Because they don't have fear nothing wrong has happened.
It does have something to do with "how" you go around. Black men from Africa don't "go around" like brothers in the hood do. In other words, you keep the lowest profile when you are out in public, if you want to avoid any hassles or worse. This works just the same way for farangs in non-tourist areas of the Orient, or crackers in non-tourist parts of Africa, so its really not a black thing, its about how much you stand out only from being a different race. Its impossible not to have people notice you, so you really have to behave in a very low key manner, or sooner or later somebody is going to fuck your shit up.
Thanks guys for your input. I appreciate the honest replies. You know I guess there will be people who will always judge you if your from a certain place, color, religion or whatever. I think that is just part of human nature. I personally treat a person by character. Now if they have a fucked up character then yeah I might hate your ass. I used to be in the military and have had the opportunity to visit alot of countries. I never had any problem as far as guys messing with me or anything (maybe because I used to be a powerlifter and I am stocky). I have had strange looks and most of the time people want to talk to me because I am black and I am american. Usually it ends up in a good time. But your right, you have to carry yourself respectfully and don't act like a loud american and being obnoxious. I love meeting new people and seeing new places. For me it is all about the experience (and maybe get lucky). I hope I can make a friend or two here and have someone to maybe show me around or at least give me good advice when I do visit (and I will).
It basically comes down to individual qualities but not where he comes from and his skin color. I'm sure Danzel Washington can do better than some fat Billy Bob. But, it's a big but, if I were black, Arab, middle-eastern or Caucasian I'd go elsewhere. These folks might still fare well with the ladies in Ukraine but anyone who has a friggin penis can score there. Not to say that darker skinned folks aren't welcomed but on average, all else being equal, a lighter skinned person would do better. Imagine an Ukrainian girl's parents' reaction when their daughter brings home an Arab or African man. African Americans might do better than Africans. Being confident is good but a black or Arab man appears overly confident might cause trouble from drunks and militia. You don't want to stand out too much. You gotta know when to lay low. Don't mean to sound like a Klansman here but a healthy dose of reality is important for those contemplating a trip. So don't kid yourself that just being confident alone is enough. No it's not, wake up. Blacks might still be able to get girls but the local population sees them with suspision. Also, Caucacians or other folks that could be mistaken as one are not too popular in Russia now. I agree with previous poster(s) that the male population is what darer skinned folks should worry about. Anyways in general, ANY man can do better in Ukraine or Russia than in the West due to supply and demand. There are just too many women and too few men in Russland. And There are always girls that are open minded and want to experiement. Your friend should still go, he just has to be careful. I also agree with Uke Boy that one doesn't know what is said behind his back.
American Ukraine
03-14-07, 13:21
I had to register to answer you, Uke_Boy. I don’t think you are right about www.gia.com.ua. I don’t think their prices are too high unless you wanted to fuck Ukrainian girls for 20 bucks. If you want so then you simply should go to such websites where 18 y.o. students are searching for moneyfuck and think they are great professionals and write them. But you never see in reality the same girl as in the picture :) But even this 20 buck fuck doesn’t worth of time and money spend on a girl, unless you are deadly drunk ;)
Gia uses real pics and I trust them for it. Everything else is your own opinion.Chunky2007,
This is your first post, and your post shows that you just registered to defend the over priced gia agency, and you sound like a ukranian to me, maybe you are ChrisForSex, or his friend. Or somebody else who works for the GIA agency. :). With a new nick.
What you think Uke Boy?
I moved this posting out of the photo thread to here, where it belongs.
American...
In late Decemeber a African student was beaten to death in Kiev.
Also around that time a friend of mine who looks arab was assulted near Mandarin plaza.
I'm not saying the Ukraine is a safe/unsafe place. I'm just pointing out that what you are saying might be a little bit too rosey and paint the wrong picture. Also my chat's with other people in Kiev and reading the local news really doesn't jive with what you are saying.
During the warmer months public drinking is a huge problem and the amount of assaults increase.
GIA -Reasonable
My experience with GIA is always good, The price may not be the best deal in town but I never let myself cry over 20-30$ more, in my humble experience the bad taste of lousy service last much longer then the sweet taste of the low price.
I had the GIA girls few times before and it was always on-time, no bad surprises and as many times as you possibly can.
All in all money well spend.
I defiantly recommend it to all you non-pro-mongers like me.
Have fun!
GIA is okay if you don't mind settling for average girls at slightly above average prices. But who travels to Kiev for an average girl? I can see if you are a dead tired business man who doesn't speak Russian and want to get a pop or two off between a meeting or sleep, otherwise don't be a tool.
Explorer69
03-21-07, 12:30
I have throughout the years used GIA 5-6 times. I am surprised by the negative comments from some members of the forums. I have always experienced that the girl who came on my door is the girl on the picture, and I have had from good to excellent sessions, with some real GFE. In my book GIA is a good and reliable agency, however, I have not used them for the last 1-2 years, maybe things have become worse? I am also aware that they have become more expensive. The reason I have not used them lately is that I have had "girlfriends" in Kiev or feel it is fun to look around in the clubs for girls... But if I called an agency in Kiev, it would definitely be GIA and I would recommend to my friends!
American Ukraine
03-21-07, 13:00
American,
In late Decemeber a African student was beaten to death in Kiev.
Also around that time a friend of mine who looks arab was assulted near Mandarin plaza.The crime rate in America and some other Western European countries is much higher than of what in Ukraine. Many arabs and also blacks have been victims of racist attacks in the west. That doesn't mean people should stop visiting these countries. And we stop living there.
These are only one or two incidences. And plus Kiev is the capital its more prone to crime as millions of people live there. When I talk about ukraine I mainly highlight Lugansk. And the dombass region.
AU, I don't mean to get in a debate about this but I just find it interesting that you seem to have completely opposite views of people I talk to, what I read in the news and what I experience myself first hand. During my stays in Kiev it always seemed like racial attacks were a given and the further east you went the more the chances increased. This seems to be the conventional wisdom of the day. Would anyone with Ukraine experience care to enlighten me? Am I barking up the wrong tree? Uke Boy?
During my last stay in Kiev I was completely fascinated by the Ukrainian version of 'Cops' which generally involved petty crime and drunks.
I didn't realize Lugansk was the enlightened epicenter of the Ukraine. I thought it was a shit hole industrial city and a bastion for the xenophobic and racist Russians in the Ukraine.
Cruiser, you are more right than wrong about racial attitudes here. It is one long sad tale of prejudice and in places it is getting worse, not just in the east but also in western Ukraine. In fact, the westerners can be even worse in their attitudes.
That being said, for AU in that particular shithole called Lugansk, he probably is better off there than elsewhere. I believe that pathetic excuse for a medical school was somewhat designed to take (and more importantly, take the money from) third-world students. That means that there are lots of third-world students hanging about and getting the locals used to them. I suspect the locals tolerate them as much as possible as long as they can make some money off of them.
As for AU and his now having resided in Lugansk for some time, I think that he understands the limits and conditions the locals have set out for him. He knows what lines he cannot cross. If tomorrow AU moved to Lviv, he would have a much worse circumstance awaiting him.
For the occasional visitor to Kiev who is non-white, the level of racism and skinhead activity is still much less than in Moscow or elsewhere in Russia. It exists, but mostly affects those non-whites who live here long term.
American Ukraine
03-21-07, 23:20
Lugansk shit hole, yes. Ukraine as a country is full of shit, be it kiev. Kharkov or lvov. Bad roads. Old buildings. Corrupt drunk cops. Maybe the central area in some of the bigger cities is alright. But on the whole the infrascructure of citiee are the same and is bad.
But. Why does any monger or playa come here? I am sure nobody comes here for sight seeing or for a family vacation! Or to appreciate the local people of this amazing country!
If you want everything perfect. Go to rome or venice. You will have a perfect vacation there. But I don't think you will get laid there so easily
Men from this website come here for sex. Getting laid the easy and cheaper way. And that too with better looking girls. I am sure no 18 year old blonde college girl will open her legs for you in your respective first world countries for this price
Now if you want to come to a thrid world, dirty country, to satisfy your sexual fantasies or needs. Then be ready to face the consequences. Nothing is perfect. , don't be scared. And don't try to scare others away.
Racism. Attacks. Skinheads. Take it out off your head. And if you ever come here. Go out there and try to get some pussy! Without having any fear of getting beatin up!
No Lugansk is not the enlightened epicenter of Ukraine, . Its a poor. Unwanted. Cheap. Disgusting city with a lotta beautiful girls, and the city I know best about as I am living here.
Uke Boy is correct the only foreigners here are from 3rd world countries. And with very less money. Thanks to them, the local population in this city is used to foreigners. And the ukranians here know that these foreigners are poor 3rd world country students. Who are barely paying their school and hostel fees. So they don't expect or wait any money from them. Because they know they can't get anything out of them. So they have even stopped trying.
Now when an american or west european or a first world country citizen comes here he is not troubled or targeted so much by the locals. As he is lost between the the foreigners here who don't have so much money. And is thought as one of them.
Unlike cities like Odessa and Kiev. Which are crowded by mostly first world country citizens. Business men. Mongers, tourists. Who come down with a lot of money. They are the ones who are targeted by the locals mainly out of jealousy.
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Bez Bezarra
03-23-07, 03:00
You actually honored YOURSELF by quoting your OWN post for the Distinction Reports thread?
Wo! You MUST be chock full of that Harry Pooter outstanding moral fiber stuff.
Uke Boy is correct the only foreigners here are from 3rd world countries. And with very less money.I don't get it. Why do people from third world countries go to Lugansk? For work and for school? What do they do there? The standard of living is actually higher in Lugansk than where they come from? This baffels me. What countries are we talking about here? Aren't there better places to immigrate to? Even people in Lugansk flee to Russia to find work. Please enlighten me.
American Ukraine, I ve been living in Lugansk for nearly three yrs, I disagree with much of your prior post, when I read some of your posts, I have to believe you're talking of a totally different Luganst,
I associate with many Ukraine guys (unfortunately), I can say with the most certainty, that there is a great deal of bigotry here, when these guys see a group of Arabian students, or someone from Africa, the things they say are very mean, and outright cruel, I highly doubt however, that the majority of people here would tend to act out violently against foreign students; but, I'm sure it's happened, there is a bigotry here, and alot of it. My gosh, there's a small magazine in the center, located in the basement of a music store, that sells skinhead clothing, boots, etc. and that's all they sell. There must be a market for this type of merchandise in this city.
I am not viewed by the locals as a foreign student with no money, and I am not the only one, when guys come here from the west, and chase girls through these silly marriage agencies, or do whatever they come here for, the locals don't look at these people (and me included) as being poor, with barley enough funds to pay for their flat, the locals (and i refer to all of them or maybe 99%) here will take as much as they can, from who they can, whenever they can, because they know these people have money, that's life here in Lugansk, there are times I just don't understand what you're writing about.
AM, you need to venture out of the friendly confines of that med university, mingle with the locals. I highly suspect you're in this for the money, and way off with much you write about.
American Ukraine
03-23-07, 13:20
Timmy21,
And I totally AGREE with you. I feel there is a lot of difference between your lifestyle here and mine, you contradicted me in one of my prior posts saying women are not so easy here and they prefer being with ukranians rather than foreigners.
When a foreigner who has no charm. Who is 20 years older than her. No style, no game what so ever. Who has just money to offer. Girls will play him like a base ball. And even ukranian guys will target him. (I am not talking about you its my general view of westerners who come here to get married)
I don't use money. Or my nationality to impress these ladies. I act with them how a normal ukranian would act. Take them to not so expensive places, not scared to stop a girl on the street and ask for her number. Hell if I really like the girl sometimes I don't even care if she has guys in her group. Never pay for their taxi. And somehow every week I have atleast 3 new girls. Some of them I post on the photo forum who allow me to take their nude photos. More than half of them who don't allow me to make their nude photos, I don't post them
Talking about interaction with locals. I hangout in places where normal ukranians go. I choose the cheapest clubs where girls with no money come. , most of my friends are ukranians. And not those Sophisticated ukranians you probably meet. But the ones who get drunk on home made vodka outside the club. Before they enter it. , and they don't target me cuz they know they aint gettin' shit from me.
And I feel there is nothing unfortunate about having ukranians as friends if you know how to deal with them. If you don't like to have any of the locals as your friend, and they disgust you, then I feel that you are wasting your time here.
That music store you are talking about. LOL. Its store where they sell stuff for rockers. Next time you go there. You will find a guy with lots of piercings his name is Sergey, ask him about samy, hez a friend of mine. And many of the customers there are foreign students who like western life style. And music. Not many ukranians will buy from there. Cuz they aint so much in to western music
So basically its all about how you act with them. Acting like a typical foreigner, getting scared. And treating them like dirt and running away from them will make you hate them. And them to hate you. I am in this for the money? You must be kiddin'. Let me count how many millions I made. I share my ideas and experiences. And thats it
Mr. Bezarra, I was told by the moderator that I can add my report to the Distinction thread, so I was just following instructions, hell somebody had to make a start. Maybe you can add this report of mine in the Distinction thread for me.
American Ukraine
03-23-07, 14:48
I don't get it. Why do people from third world countries go to Lugansk? For work and for school? What do they do there? The standard of living is actually higher in Lugansk than where they come from? This baffels me. What countries are we talking about here? Aren't there better places to immigrate to? Even people in Lugansk flee to Russia to find work. Please enlighten me.They are actually medical students.. mostly indians, arabs, malaysians, nigerians..
Most of them are under 23 years of age..there are roughly about 1200 foreign medical students enrolled at this university.
I dont think anybody would want to work here for a lousy 150$ a month, no scope for business as well..
Doctor_Skank
04-05-07, 12:52
Bez,
The jump in prices is pretty normal for Russia right now... wish I owned property in Russia.. :)
For 14 days you should be able to get a discount, usually anything over 5-7 days. You should at least try...
Just hope that nobody buys the property up or rents it out long-term. Already lost some of my favorite apartments that way... :(
Doctor_Skank
04-05-07, 13:05
it travel. either you are a billionaire in the same league as bill gates or you are out of touch with reality. to give 2500$ a month to a dievoushka to entertain you and clean your appartment? get a grip: you are not in switzerland, london or dubai! here in ukraine, people are extremely happy with a 500$ a month salary! its guys like you that are getting the locals used to prices that they never dreamed of! by accepting to pay high rent prices, by going to expensive restaurants, by accepting to pay pro's $200+, by buying expensive gifts and mobiles to freebies etc etc, you contribute to making the ukraine destination out of reach pricewise! i really don't understand you. if you can afford to spend that kind of cash, why don't you stay in western europe or the usa?
please, when in rome, do as romans. when in ukraine, pay the pro's the prices that ukrainian men themselves would pay and buy the freebies the kind of gifts that ukrainian men would buy them!
first of all i don't personally use sponsorship because it doesn't make sense for my personal situation... why sponsor a girl for a month when i only want to fuck her 2-3 times anyway? but sponsorship does make sense for a lot of people, in particular russian and ukrainian businessmen. and i have done some "temporary" sponsoring, which is basically just prostitution... even if sponsorship in its true form is another animal.
i have researched quite a bit and spoken to some of the girls.
to clarify, "true" sponsorship isn't direct prostitution and follows it's own "rules". direct prostitution is cheaper if the number of "intimate meetings" is low... sponsorship only makes sense if you need a girl for several days and/or wish to throw your money around.
the prices it is quoting aren't "foreigner prices" in my opinion.. they are market prices determined by the market. the market for sponsorship is dominated by local sponsors... not foreigners. most foreigners don't even know this market exists. obviously price levels will be higher in the capital cities than in the country, but sponsorship prices everywhere are independent of local wage levels. relevant for us, generally speaking, are price levels in the major cities. in the cities prices range from 1000 € to 5000 € a month and more. quite honestly, the 1000 € girls often look just as good or better than some of the 5000 € ones. maybe it takes a russian or ukrainian to tell the difference.
another misconception is that sponsored girls live with you. often they don't. they are just on call girlfriends, often a second or third girlfriend for rich guys when the live in girlfriend or wife gets boring. in addition to their "sponsorship fee" they often get gifts and holiday trips. russians and ukrainians are considerably more generous to their sponsored girlfriends than we are, at least that's what the girls tell me. the girls even consider us foreigners a bit cheap. i am of course talking about girls in the 8-9 range in the club circuit and not some naive dyev from the boondocks. even naive dyev from the boondocks will soon learn the nature of the game and her pussy will get more expensive by the month until it reaches it's half life at 22 years old and start to degenerate.
where many westerners make a mistake is by giving outlandish and expensive presents to "normal" girls who aren't by any means sponsored and often aren't even that hot or special. some fools even send girls money, which is completely insane. especially in micro-markets like chisinau (moldova) or odessa (ukraine) or in the clubs and circles frequented by foreigners in kiev we indeed are our own worst enemy. indeed these girls are spoiled by foolish foreigners. in larger markets however, particularly greater kiev (away from river palace and 112 etc.) and basically anywhere in moscow... it's local money that's spoiling the girls, not ours.
in my research i've found that girls asking for sponsorship will turn tricks on the side to make some extra cash... but they aren't cheaper than normal pros and are in fact often more expensive. the girls are top drawer... but also looking for $300-500 for an "intimate meeting". i don't pay those prices because it goes against my principles... i like to do the fucking and not be the one getting fucked. that said, not paying that price does often means not fucking that girl. many girls won't fuck for less than $200-300. there's always other cheaper options, but that's another story. whether or not the locals are paying considerably less i cannot confirm... but my dyev contacts suggest that the locals pay the same as foreigners. again i am talking about glam girls and not $50 salon specials or $100 semi-pros picked up from the disco. those are completely separate and considerably cheaper markets. in terms of normal prostitution, kiev is about $70-80/hour right now for hot chicks. moscow about $100/hour or $300-400/night for good quality.
example:
Привет, меня зовут Настя, мой возраст 21 , часик со мной стоит 80$ Предлагаю массаж, классику, оральный, ночь 300$, анала и всего прочего нет. Мой рост 170, вес 56кг, грудь 4, есть еще подружка зовут Даша,рядом на сайте, она моя ровесница ей 21, часик с ней стоит 80$ предлагает массаж, классику, оральный, ночь 300$, анала и всего прочего нет. Её рост 167, вес 55кг, грудь 2.
Никаких других подружек нет, фото наши. Все в пределах Киева, если хочешь приехать к нам обоим, просто сложи цену.
Ждем Вас у себя в центре или приедим в гости. Все в презервативе, даже оральный!"
($80/hour or $300 night, kiev based britney spears type... her girlfriend, skinny model type with average face, available at same price.)
as stated previously, i think it's quoted price for sponsorship (again, it isn't normal prostitution... whatever that means) is fairly realistic, but some girls go for considerably less. for example:
"это интересно, а поддержка в 10 000 р-й за встречу(или 1000 евро в месяц ) поможет мне быть более красивой весёлой и независимой в мелочах, создаст возможность для достойных взаимоотношений между серьёзным мужчиной и юной девушкой"
(10,000 rubles ($350) per meeting or 1000 € ($1200) a month, moscow-based [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) type girl)
this 1000 € price however doesn't mean she lives with you or is oncall to show up immediately 24 hours a day. it means that a few times a month she'll come over and poke you, or be your eye candy escort when you go to clubs, restaurants or the ballet. it also doesn't mean she'll do the dishes or iron your shirt... but she just might. her job description is a matter of negotiation, just like just about everything in russia and ukraine.
as for rent and expensive restaurants, the prices there are also determined by the local market and not overspending foreigners. the most expensive restaurants in kiev or odessa for example do have their share of foreign clientele, usually some sap wasting money on some girl he's trying to fuck "for free"... but if you'll look closely, most of the clientele is local and the guy always pays.
the rent and real estate market is a victim of local (russian and ukrainian) investment and speculation. we foreigners also have to pay these prices, but it's not because of us.... and we aren't paying more than the locals.
i agree 100% that we should do what we can individually and maintain our own self-esteem and control over our pocketbooks, but in terms of sponsorship and prostitution, market prices are largely beyond our control.
agencies (like gia) or clubs like river palace who do cater to a foreign crowd will try to rob clueless foreigners blind, but looking at a grander scale of prostitiution and sponsorship the locals are doing just as much to screw it up as we are, in my opinion their contribution to the problem is considerably more significant than ours through sheer volume... at least when looking at the rise of prices for sponsorship.
you really won't get much in terms of sponsorship for $500/month in kiev... in moscow you wouldn't even get the time of day, where prices are at least $1200-1500 a month, averaging about $2000-3000, and sometimes as much as $10,000+/month.
if you or anybody else has evidence to the contrary, i would be very glad to hear it.
One thing that has fascinated me about the Caucasian women from Russian and the Ukraine is to see the black hair on them - this natural or dyed ? I usually associate black hair on women of Asian origin, but I'm starting to think it look amazing on these Slavic beauties.
Dr S - With sponsorship you also have to factor in what else you have to offer the girl and how mercenary the girl is. As of last year I knew I could sponsor some top flight girls for 1k/month in Kiev. But I do have a lot of experience in the Kiev market and exposure. The difference between a 1000e/month sponsor and a 5000e/month girl is generally the guy's ego. It's more of a FSU mentality type thing - 'what, your 3rd girlfriend is only costing you 1000e/month? What are you poor?'.
As I've mentioned before, once you approach the $300 range you are at US/Western prices and the FSU allure is lost. Russian millionaires/thieves might be happy to pay that. But when it becomes par for the course I'll just stay in NYC.
And yes, American sexpats are cheap. You noticed how there was very little traffic to the downstairs bar at RP during the Super Bowl. But also notice how out of all the Americans watching the game - what 10-15? We were the only two that left with girls, so maybe the girls are right. ;)
Downunder - Black hair is a new fashion color for this year. BTW - some Ukrainian girls are of Asian origin.
first of all i don't personally use sponsorship because it doesn't make sense for my personal situation... why sponsor a girl for a month when i only want to fuck her 2-3 times anyway? but sponsorship does make sense for a lot of people, in particular russian and ukrainian businessmen. and i have done some "temporary" sponsoring, which is basically just prostitution... even if sponsorship in its true form is another animal.
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you really won't get much in terms of sponsorship for $500/month in kiev... in moscow you wouldn't even get the time of day, where prices are at least $1200-1500 a month, averaging about $2000-3000, and sometimes as much as $10,000+/month.
if you or anybody else has evidence to the contrary, i would be very glad to hear it.
sorry doc but nolies forgets some things...
where in london, paris or ny you (45 or 50 y.o.!) can get in a two weeks holiday to a sea resort with you student girlfriend (18-19) fucking her everynight (if you can) for 2-4.000 usd a month? nowere!
some of the girls i post here was answering and asking for sponosrship even if not clearly advertised, all quoted between 1.500 and 5.000 usd a month.
some are doing weekend sponosorhip, my favourite (fri-mon).
if you think you can find such girls in london or elswhere for pennies...
i will post some photos later.
look at them first they come all from flirt or omen...
doc could you pm me the [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) type?
i like sponsorship because it's one of the most effective vays of getting laid with a normal girl... without hasseling or going to clubs etc... but getting quite normal girls!
it
Here some pics, I think all true, of girls in Kiev and Moscow openly asking for sponsorship or doing it wihile contacted.
If somebody can imagine he can go to bed, let's sat 10-12 times a month, perhaps even with her bi friend, for 500 USD a month or so, he is really a fool.
By the way all the Sponsored girls I had did BBBJ, CIM, and not all the times, but mostly swallowed all the load! :) :)
Here 10 casually chosen from my contacts... Might that they change their ads as soon as they found a sponsor.
IT
In the next months I'll surely nail at least a couple of them...
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N, I'm not a big fan of IT but...
If you are so hot why are you chasing ho's in the FSU? IMHO men who dress like boys tend to look extremely ridiculous. Spend a lot of time hitting on 16-18 year old village girls in McDonalds? They are the only ones who are going to go for that type of crap. Stone Philips isn't looking for you, is he?
And IT - didn't you just post a picture of a girl in the photo section that you posted before? The one that had the ad that mentioned nothing about money or sponsorship? And when asked directly you said you had never talked to her and had no idea if she was looking for sponsorship - can you stop doing this? Can your keep your fantasys to yourself? Stop posting legit girls from dating websites and saying they are *****s - ok? It's fucking creepy.
Hello all,
No Lies.
You feel it is acceptable to insult fellow forum members?
I find your comments on your other posts very illuminating. I list some extracts to remind you.
“I have been here a week, and i am really dissappointed..Very few pro's, in the clubs they insist on 200$ and plus.The freebies are not impressed AT ALL by foreigners, because it seems Chisinau is invaded by tons of arabs, turks and italians.”
“Turks everywhere, every other table occupied by italians, young arab students who go to the local Medical university etc etc And, if you are not convinced, go to "city" disco. Even worse situation!”
“Forget Moldova. It is a destination that has been overdone. Way too many European, Turkish, Arab, Italian sex hungry visitors have spoiled this destination! If you still want to go. You will be surprised at how hard it is to connect and get laid there!”
“I recently took a trip to France and Germany hoping to get lucky with french and german girls.I didnt know i was arriving in a 2 third world countries!”
“Everyone seems to be from Africa, Asia or the Middle EAst! Where are the native people of those countries?”
“I am on the good-looking side, hold an European passport, am in my thirties”
“I am also in my 40's”
Bez Bezarra
04-08-07, 20:13
You must be out of shape bald 50 year old.
So you are desprate.
but this is not my case.
I get sex with girls FOR FREE.!!!
I am in my 40's.
You really changed quickly, as a few months ago you wrote how difficult
it is for you scoring in Moldova where you live and are only in your 30's.
Too bad you get so much pussy but can't post any of it.
Exactly, CruiserD. Better to look ridiculous to other adult men, but to fit in with pretty teens,who will feel comfortable enough with me to give me their fresh pussies.
They surely will not do that with an adult in suit and tie(reminds them of their teacher or the high school pricipal) or an adult with conservative clothes (like their daddy).
Bez Bezzara,
Yes, you are right, when i was dressing like an older guy(old fashioned and square)i wasnt getting shit!
What a difference a few bright colored clothing an a few months working out at the gym can do.
It sure has saved me a lot of mongering money and aggravation!!
But, please guys, by any means, dont copy me. Just keep emptying your bank accounts on *****s.
Hello No Lies,
I would personally like to thank you for your valuable advice in this forum. I again list some extracts to remind you.
"Anyone: info on Belarus?"
"..i heard it is much better in Rumania"
"Better go to Prague, Riga, Budapest etc."
"is now easier to get laid in Rome"
"Most mongers come to East Europe to get laid easily"
"am fluent in 5 languages"
“I get sex with girls of the caliber you showed in those photos FOR FREE”
You have imparted so much of your wisdom here that I don’t expect we shall be hearing from you again. I wish you a happy birthday, birthday, birthday and hope the fashion police don’t catch you.
I also hope you get laid soon.
But, please guys, by any means, dont copy me. .No chance.
Bez Bezarra
04-09-07, 06:53
Better to look pretty i dress in bright colored clothing at the gym.
It sure has saved me!!
But, please dont copy me.
Just keep emptying your anus.
:D How do you keep from floating away? Ankle weights from the gym?
American Ukraine
04-09-07, 09:17
But, please guys, by any means, dont copy me. Just keep emptying your bank accounts on *****s."don't copy me"? You not only dress like a teenager but you also sound like one. Wow what a change! what have you been doing? Eating a lot of Viagra? . Smokin' a lotta that shit! ?
You are very confident and don't like to spend a lot on girls! I admire that. I agree when it comes to eastern european women the more money you show to them the more they try to get from you. They don't deserve more than a bottle of vodka and a dinner in a cheap restraunt. And Ukranians don't spend even that, and still get laid more than us. So I with you on this one.
You aint the only Casanova around bro. Anybody who lives here can fuck. Its not a very big deal. Be it kiev. Chisinau. Moscow. Denipro or lugansk.
Mongers sometimes settle for a lot of money. Because they don't have time. Like we do. They come here for a week or 10 days and want to get as much as they can in this limited time.
1) We meet for drinks. After a couple of hours, she refuses my offer to go to my place. She calls me later, saying she misses me and would like to go out to a club. I agree and we meet at STAR TREK later that night. When I get there, surprise she is with a girlfriend. Being the gentleman that I am, I pay both their entrance fees, pay for a table and order drinks for both of them. After they tell me that they are going to the toilet. 30 minutes later they still hadnt come back. I called her phone but she disconnected it. Next day I called, she answered and told me to NEVER call her again.
2) I followed this bomb on the street, after 20 minutes of blablabla she gives me her number. I call her 2 days later, she agrees to go to CITY with me. Same story: entrance fee, pay for table, expensive cocktails. End of the night: she claims she has menstruation. She asks me for money for the taxi and off she goes. I call her 2 days later to be told to please not call her again. Since then she never answers my calls.
I have had a ZILLION other bad experiences like this.
But, please guys, by any means, dont copy me. .
As Irsih Lad just said, no chance !!
ROFLMAO
I had bad experiences too.
But here it seems ridicolous!
I must say that usually I pay for getting laid... but I get some for free. When you pay you get what you want, it's very simple!
IT
(In any case you paid in another way... :D )
I am getting sick of this unhelpful argueing.
I am usually a lerker and will speak my mind.
First off, I like Dr. Skanks reports and I feel he is one of the most honest on this site. Ofcourse everyone seeems to make there successes better than they probably are, but that is human nature, infact to put oneself down would be crazy.
I also think you should listen to American Ukraine reports a wee bit also because I agree with alot he says, but I must remind him that he is young dating girls in his own age group so of course he will have no stigma physically, and I saw some of him in background o his pics, personally your skin can be bulgarian, greek or italian so you have a look they like. Its been common fact that they like italian looks best, some arabs look like italian plus you fluant in russian and have legitimate interest in ukraine so you should be scoring but all these others are sex tourists and therefore you will have to put up with problems.
1. Peole on this site should give advice whee to go and what worked for them. All the other stuff is just ego, and thats it. I been marrie the the last couple of yrs and havent been in game since 2001. It was great back then, now personally I agree with some members who say there isn't much reason to go there anymore. Women are now like there western cousins, but for freebies ofcourse you have more of a chance. Idiots that pay 100 hour for sex there are idiots. You not only made it impossibe for everyone else but you are crazy. I and nyc hot russian girls in escort agency will come to your home for 150 dollars, most 200, some less than 150. No airline ticket, hotel, presents taxis, etc. Sounds like people in some metro area are razy if they can get samething at home.
The truth is by sharing some info and attracting more foreigners members make it worst for themselves unless people listen. If everybody took the advice of the pro mongers in the past things wouldn't have gotten bad as they have. For example if all foreigners (this is ofcourse a dream which will never happen) never paid the girls more than 20 dollars a few yrs back, quess what the egirls woulld still be charging 20. They know they can get more now so they demand it. They also lazy so why they want to work hard. The fact is the normal person in Ukraine is still poor and if you never started throwing mony around, things would still be good for you. Heck (fantasy) if every foreigner left Ukraine and returned 1 yr later, every hooker would be desperate to get your money at low prices also.
As for dating, foreigners were exotic at one time, now they aren't so of couse nobody wants you now. Money important now.
But what makes things still possible is the numbers game. The truth is anyone can score in Ukraine. Its not even about money, age or looks. Russians go out with older, uglier guys then you all the time, their own guys and they do not always have money. Yes, they have to be financially stable (500 dollars a month).
These men are fun, entertain thm, treat them good and are not afraid. Russian guys arent shy to approach women, so they interact with them all the time, with means law of averages works in their favor. The same can go for foreign guys also. Heck even in america law of averages works but when 90 women obese and everyone chasing same dime, you will go 50 yrs before you wil find hottie. But I neastern europe 10 percent overweight 90 percent good and loads of women. The numbers are in your favor. You can hit on 20 girls a day and any man can do this within 2 hours and get 1 number good contact out of this right? Multiply by 14 days now you have 14 potentials. Thats how it works for regular ukrainian, no otther secrets except they are nt shy, do not care if girl ignores them etc. Copy what they do, you will see they are fearless.
So stop insulting each other. Teach each other. Because the failures will ruin it for others by paying for it and paying alot. Theres enough for everyone.
P.S. As for Nolies. Unless things are changed, russians like sharp dressers. Not peole how are colorful or try dress young. In Odessa they might be exception because the peole there are extremely driven by local fashion fads. Heck they dress more sllopier then american kids last time I was there. But most of russians still dress I ngrey and black in rest of country. They actually make fun of odessan style. I nany case dr. Skank tends to dress up, following him will never heard you over all bacause dressing shrp is always in. Don't wear a tie and suit but nice shoes, slacks and sport coat mean success in every country of the world. Women attracted to success. Sure some might think you remind them of someone old but they also respected these people. English teachers in FSU don't have problems getting girls do they?
When you are dressed up in Kiev you have the advantage of making them think you are on official business, not some sex tourist.
Those times when girls left you in club its because they didn't respect you. Girls do that when they don't respect you. You gave impression that you are sex tourist no doubt. You admitted you inviting girls you baely know during day to your apt? Not even getting them fully drunk yet. Isn't that sex tourist behavior? Its different is you meet in club, then get along good and reccommend go back for some bullshit reason that interests themand then romance them. That is seduction, I get the feeling you obvious sex tourist to them.
Rule 1: Treat them like Ukrainian. You lead the date. You chose the bar, heck if weather is warm drink beers in the street. Cheap and fun factor is there.
Never invite girl to club unles you actually want to be in club with her and like to dance. Personally I dance so I would invite but since I going to dance I don't get a table. In America young peole usually don't get tables so why in FSU? If you fat mafia guy table makes sense but girl will then only order expensive drinks etc. If you go to dance and stand around, there in no tab to pay, LOL.
Al Capone and 111 in Kiev was always good because basically you have to stand around. Clubs like that are best because you control wha t is ordered and it even not comfortable to order, so girl will basically have to hang around you. Never pay for friend. 1 guy 2 girls never wil lead you anywhere. If you have wingmaan ok, but by yourself you will stay byself. Even if girl interested in you, girls cock-block, the other girl will work against you anyway so whats the point? Basically if you don't want to be scammed don't invest in them. You can meet 20 girls in 1 hour so I am sure 1 will be good.
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Next time I come to Kiev, I plan to bring some neon thongs to attract the ladies. Or maybe do the Steve Martin/Dan Akroyd 'wild and crazy guys' routine.
I have read som of the reports but can not find the information I,m looking for. I'm planning a trip to Ukraine and therefor I have put my profil in on a couple of dating sites to see if there is a possibility to get some contacts with girls before I arrive the country.
I have sent mail to girls in the mid 30'ties but so fare I havent recived any answers. Is there anyone that have tryed this option, and if so mybee give some recomendations to good dating sites for Ukraine.
I have also looked at younger girls and a lot of them are real stunners. Are those girls in the early twentys non pros or due they have a hidden agenda.
If anyone have tryed this approach I will be wery pleased if you will share your experience with other mongers.
Thank you.
Tom,
Girls in Kiev find ties very sexy. ;)
111 and Al Capone are closed.
People who post on these forums like an ass deserves to be ridiculed. Those who are sincere tend to find a lot of helpful advice.
hello all,
here’s some advice which i hope is helpful to all.
the ukrainian art of seduction lies somewhere between taming a wild horse and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).
the more times they ask a girl to sleep with them, the bigger the compliment. 10 times will usually do it.
don’t bring your date to a club unless you’re sure she’s a “done deal” and want to get some dancing done and/or you’re looking for a 2nd girl to join you both.
if taking a date out to dinner, tell her what to wear and decide what she’s eating. if you’re a real gent you might ask her if there’s anything she doesn’t like before ordering her meal. after the meal, if you’re not clubbing, tell her you have some champagne and chocolates at home where it will be more comfortable to talk. try to not be interested in her reply. it wasn’t a negotiation.
if you meet a girl in a club and she gives you her number, you can either arrange to meet her during the week if you’re a dr skank or cruiser d who know she’s “in the bag” and are just juggling their diaries or sms her 2 minutes later telling her “ i want you…now”. you’ll save time this way.
girls in kiev do find ties sexy. if you’re in a suit on a thursday night then you’re a serious person and your chances have just tripled. it pays to advertise
if a girl approaches you and isn’t on the “cocktail” buzz then she’s interested in you. if you like her then kiss her.
if you like a girl on the dance floor, pay good attention to her and let her know you’re watching her dance. be relaxed but confident and smile at her. she’ll either look away or she’ll respond by dancing even better. if she responds then after the dance she’ll come close enough to you so that you can introduce yourself to her and then kiss her.
if you’re talking to a girl at the club and she looks at another girl as 90% of them will. ask her if she likes girls. if she says “no, i like men”. kiss her. if she says “yes” then say “so do i” and then kiss her.
hope this helps
il
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hello newbie,
i use www.singles.ru to great success. it’s in russian but with some dedication you’ll work it out.
in 1 year i would guess i’ve managed to nail 30 freebies on the site and discovered the now legendary [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) and the versatile alla in odessa too. dr skank and a mate dp’d her in odessa last summer.
i find several problems with writing to girls in their mid 30’s.
1. there is less chance that they will speak english.
2. they are less inclined to have “casual” attitudes
3. they are in their mid 30’s
of course, girls in their early 20’s who look like super models may not be genuine profiles but many other girls there are looking for fun. some are looking for fun and financial assistance and some are looking for husbands.
il
hello newbie,
i use www.singles.ru to great success. it’s in russian but with some dedication you’ll work it out.
in 1 year i would guess i’ve managed to nail 30 freebies on the site and discovered the now legendary [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) and the versatile alla in odessa too. dr skank and a mate dp’d her in odessa last summer.
i find several problems with writing to girls in their mid 30’s.
1. there is less chance that they will speak english.
2. they are less inclined to have “casual” attitudes
3. they are in their mid 30’s
of course, girls in their early 20’s who look like super models may not be genuine profiles but many other girls there are looking for fun. some are looking for fun and financial assistance and some are looking for husbands.
il
il,
i use, as you well know, www.flirt.com.ua having the same database it's in russian as you say, but i understandsomething, and with the help of bablefish or www.translate.ru, you will do your work.
up to now i just met three girls, and'll meet a fourth soon! two already nailed, the others will be soon.. all under 22-23.
now i'm up with a lovely 20 y.o. teen i surely will nail in next months, just as i like them 165, 53, nice hard tits (surely homegrown), but i have contacts with free, sponsors, and pros (this is a free one).
but as every one who tried (thrice) [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) i miss her!
il you know what i'm speaking of: those fantastic bbbj with cof-cim :) :)
unfortunately she found a sponosr :( :( and she told me privately that often they get in bed in three he (lucky man) she and her new teen lesbian conquest!
let's meet in kiev il i'll pm you soon!
it
In Moscow If you make a search you will find some of 50/60.000 girls under 23-25 seeking for contacs. Youw ill find all types you need. In Kiev due to less population they are less. Just now I have regular contacts with approx 30.
Nothing makine a comparison with Irish Lad and my friend (U....) who has approx. 1.000 fresh and willing cocks on her database! :D
IT
If you do not find a fuck in flirt or single or whatever it means that you have some problems! ;)
IT
AColonizer
04-15-07, 14:22
unfortunately for me. you are right!
i met perhaps the most important person in my life, an ukrainian girl here in italy, and i lost her because i'm a sweet and gentleman boy. she never explained me what is in her brain and i was against "macho" behaviour but i can't imagine she wanted to be kissed and fucked by me because she told me she had a boyfriend but only later i understood she was a liar. i'm not used to have a so porn and crazy girl. now i'm very depressed because i lost a friend, a lover, a wife, a mother. marina, can you forgive me?
a female friend of her said to me she likes "bad" boys. i couldn't believe it but it was true: ukrainian girls love "macho" men!
when you are trying to fuck a girl (anywhere in the world) then put far her female friends at the beginning.
sweetness doesn't pay because girls are cruel. the only important thing in male/female relationship is to fuck. the rest is just hypocrisy. more you fuck, more she loves you. more you respect her, more you lose her.
hello all,
here’s some advice which i hope is helpful to all.
the ukrainian art of seduction lies somewhere between taming a wild horse and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).
the more times they ask a girl to sleep with them, the bigger the compliment. 10 times will usually do it.
don’t bring your date to a club unless you’re sure she’s a “done deal” and want to get some dancing done and/or you’re looking for a 2nd girl to join you both.
if taking a date out to dinner, tell her what to wear and decide what she’s eating. if you’re a real gent you might ask her if there’s anything she doesn’t like before ordering her meal. after the meal, if you’re not clubbing, tell her you have some champagne and chocolates at home where it will be more comfortable to talk. try to not be interested in her reply. it wasn’t a negotiation.
if you meet a girl in a club and she gives you her number, you can either arrange to meet her during the week if you’re a dr skank or cruiser d who know she’s “in the bag” and are just juggling their diaries or sms her 2 minutes later telling her “ i want you…now”. you’ll save time this way.
girls in kiev do find ties sexy. if you’re in a suit on a thursday night then you’re a serious person and your chances have just tripled. it pays to advertise
if a girl approaches you and isn’t on the “cocktail” buzz then she’s interested in you. if you like her then kiss her.
if you like a girl on the dance floor, pay good attention to her and let her know you’re watching her dance. be relaxed but confident and smile at her. she’ll either look away or she’ll respond by dancing even better. if she responds then after the dance she’ll come close enough to you so that you can introduce yourself to her and then kiss her.
if you’re talking to a girl at the club and she looks at another girl as 90% of them will. ask her if she likes girls. if she says “no, i like men”. kiss her. if she says “yes” then say “so do i” and then kiss her.
hope this helps
il
AColonizer
04-15-07, 14:26
OK, I believe you. I never went to Mosca so I ask you: how do you get your contacts?
You know, every man is interested in free and genuine porn and romantic relationship. Unfortunately, the world is not perfect and a lot of people are looking for sex and love with prostitutes.
In Moscow If you make a search you will find some of 50/60.000 girls under 23-25 seeking for contacs. Youw ill find all types you need. In Kiev due to less population they are less. Just now I have regular contacts with approx 30.
Nothing makine a comparison with Irish Lad and my friend (U....) who has approx. 1.000 fresh and willing cocks on her database! :D
IT
If you do not find a fuck in flirt or single or whatever it means that you have some problems! ;)
IT
Nice post Irish lad. Although I hate wearing ties even for work during the day, I suppose I'll break down and bring a few next time.
I've also had good luck wearing a collared shirt with just a sport jacket.
AColonizer
04-16-07, 02:02
I met some Italians who have visited Ukraine and some Ukrainians here in Italy who told me Ukraine is still plenty (perhaps now more than in the past) of every kind of criminality.
In this forum, I read members go around Ukrainian towns and they meet a lot of girls and they never have any troubles with the local people and the criminality.
So my question is: how have these members got no troubles in Ukraine? How aren't these members still killed by criminality in Ukraine? Is it safe to walk alone on Ukrainian streets at night? Do I need a local person to go around Ukrainian towns?
Please, help me!
Irish Lad and IT Travel.
Thank you for the information. I will follow your tip, and starting to search for the younger ones.
I will proably not go to Ukrain before the end of the summer. How is Odessa in tgat time of year. Will there bee a good scene for mongering og is Kiev the best?
I met some Italians who have visited Ukraine and some Ukrainians here in Italy who told me Ukraine is still plenty (perhaps now more than in the past) of every kind of criminality.
In this forum, I read members go around Ukrainian towns and they meet a lot of girls and they never have any troubles with the local people and the criminality.
So my question is: how have these members got no troubles in Ukraine? How aren't these members still killed by criminality in Ukraine? Is it safe to walk alone on Ukrainian streets at night? Do I need a local person to go around Ukrainian towns?
Please, help me!
I can criticize on ground I’m Italian my self…
I know how they behave (only some of course). They start on the plane now that it’s easier on ground of no visa… WE GO TO OUR FUCKING VACATION!!!
Then they are loud speaking going in groups makine,, in Italian, comments on girls in the street. Saying loudly: Look what a ass, I would like to take her anally (an then perhaps the girl is an Italian interpreter!)
Unfortunately many of my nationals, as Americans, behave very badly when in groups. Creating lots of problems to other nationals.
I never had any problem, just was stopped twice by the police for normal controls. Of course my dress code, my behave is a little bit more “Russian” so I do not get problems at all. Kiev is surely safer than Milan.
IT
ok, i believe you. i never went to mosca so i ask you: how do you get your contacts?
you know, every man is interested in free and genuine porn and romantic relationship. unfortunately, the world is not perfect and a lot of people are looking for sex and love with prostitutes.
here you will find three series of pics two girls for sponsor and one for sexual friendship... in kiev, but moscow is the same...
of course i wont give you the link before i nailed them...
alesia do not ask for money but for shopping... very simple get her a prepaid card...
eva is a more tradizional sponosor girl (money) but look at the tits!
actually i'm chatting, not more on flirt, but icq (this is a must with messenger!), with katia, 19teen a real jewel: 170 55 kilos, bisexual and want to be occupied all the day in sex! she loves underwear and latex with a such baby face! she says she have a small experience as bisexual, unfotunately [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) is not more avaliable... otherwise she would make this little blonde happy liking her clito while i'll make a deep rectal inspection! perhaps next week!!!
it
IT have you met any of the girls in the posting below? Or are you just chatting with them online?
Italian..never would have figured that...
About criminality I think one should avoid parks or certain remote places in the night. A tourist usually stays in the center which is safe. One should also avoid very crowded places like metro because there are some thieves who will squeeze you between them to get the wallet without you being able to do sth.
Also avoiding to get drunk in company of new discovered girls could be a good advice. I got ripped off once by two girls who drove me to an expensive restaurant after disco starting ordering shampagne etc without me understanding what they ordered after having drunk many shots in disco. It could turn into disaster. I was lucky money I had with me were enough to pay the extraordinary amount. It was unpleasant turn from being a king in disco to turn into not having money in wallet after two hours in restaurant because of heavy girls' spending. I suspect the one girl got some reward from restaurant after that and probably everything was overprized but I could do nothing. So never let a girl order without knowing what she says, never let her choose place and never get drunk with female company.
In province in the streets I felt many times people watching me. Some of them followed me from a distance. It is good to stop sometimes and change direction or stop to make a call and see who is coming after you. Most of them are harmless, I do not know why they do this.
When I was a girlfriend, one guy about 40 years old who watched us came to us and started speaking to her in threatening way. I understood he wanted money. She was upset. He started saying strange things to me, I gave him some dollars, he got away but continued watching us.
Last time when I was in Dnipropetrovsk talking to a beautiful girl, one guy came, put his hand around my neck and started pressing slightly. He said I want to talk with you. If he pressed a little more, I could not breathe. I understood he thought I came from Turkey and Middle East, so I told him age, where I am from and when he was convinced, he let me speak to the girl.
In general I never had fear in Ukraine but I always keep in mind Russians and Ukrainians are unpredictable. I heard horror stories about kidnapping from taxi drivers etc, mafia everywhere, robbing apartments where tourists live but I found everything to be just rumor, mainly created from the inhabitants of a certain city about another city or from a neighbourhood about another neighbourhood in the same city. I think in slavic countries people are not aggresive, the foreigners are more dangerous than the inhabitants.
IT...I just think you're the luckiest B****** on the board....!...:)
PS last girl looks a little younger than 19...check her passport!!!
this katja looks ****d.
becarefull, no children please
AColonizer
04-16-07, 13:15
Please It Travel, reply to my private message.
I don't understand a thing: here forum members prefer to fuck the ass but do they know the best sex with an east european girl is a deepthroat swallowing blowjob? The first time I received that, I can't believe it! All cock inside the mouth up to throat, two strong lips, a licking tongue, two blows a second, giving head for 20 minutes, mouth and chicks hitting my pube and swallowing three times. That's incredible!
Or is Marina the only girl in the world to do that?
Doctor_Skank
04-16-07, 13:54
here you will find three series of pics two girls for sponsor and one for sexual friendship... in kiev, but moscow is the same...
of course i wont give you the link before i nailed them...
alesia do not ask for money but for shopping... very simple get her a prepaid card...
eva is a more tradizional sponosor girl (money) but look at the tits!
actually i'm chatting, not more on flirt, but icq (this is a must with messenger!), with katia, 19teen a real jewel: 170 55 kilos, bisexual and want to be occupied all the day in sex! she loves underwear and latex with a such baby face! she says she have a small experience as bisexual, unfotunately [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) is not more avaliable... otherwise she would make this little blonde happy liking her clito while i'll make a deep rectal inspection! perhaps next week!!!
it
we've been through this before, but i still fail to see the point of posting girls you've never personally met. and all the "i will fuck them and take them anally!" sounds more like adolescent fantasy than anything else. what's next, posting pictures of christina aquilera? can i make requests?
Hello all,
IT Travel,
I've met Eva and she has nice tits.
She's looking for $2,000 a month and doesn't care what type of man she meets as long as he pays.
I told her she was "overpricing" herself. She doesn't speak to me any more. wonder why not?
IL
Member #4378
04-16-07, 16:33
Does anyone know a web site, like omen.ru, where I can find an information about sponsoring a travel for a Ukranian girl/women? I know that omen.ru has ads from Ukraine, but I am looking for a genuine ukranian site. Thanks.
AColonizer
04-16-07, 17:27
I can't create a new thread so I write here.
Has somebody got experience with marriage agencies in Ukraine and Russia?
Are these marriage agencies just frauds? Or has somebody had some good meeting and wedding?
we've been through this before, but i still fail to see the point of posting girls you've never personally met. and all the "i will fuck them and take them anally!" sounds more like adolescent fantasy than anything else. what's next, posting pictures of christina aquilera? can i make requests?
dear doc,
i post this pics here for several reasons…
first they are nice teens searching (after a contact, so i already “met” the via a pc) a sponsor lover or whatever, in any case they are sexually interested by men (even older and uglier as me!).
the second point is not to bee to serious here. i have posted lots of pics of nailed and renailed girls even with a lot of pink shown!
but the third and most important thing is, as irish lad is saying that among the chosen ones we could share opinions and ideas… now i know eva wants 2.000 usd/month, and i’ll try to get her for 500-600 for a weekend. useful info! specially when you are not living there all the time and staying only some days a month!
the reason is just here make a choice see if some has something to say like: “pay attention she will rob your wallet”. or so. i must say that most suggestion comes via pm. otherwise i would not have found the fantastic [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) (!). an we all are still waiting she leaves her sponsoring mate. she is worth much more than 2.000 a month!
hi doc! and sorry if you disagree… by the way somebody in contact with the thin girlish blondinka? ;)
it
ps of course anal is my favourite sexual action, specially with thight fresh teens! :d
Hello all,
IT Travel,
I've met Eva and she has nice tits.
She's looking for $2,000 a month and doesn't care what type of man she meets as long as he pays.
I told her she was "overpricing" herself. She doesn't speak to me any more. wonder why not?
IL
You know if she is dooing weekends too?
IT
Does anyone know a web site, like omen.ru, where I can find an information about sponsoring a travel for a Ukranian girl/women? I know that omen.ru has ads from Ukraine, but I am looking for a genuine ukranian site. Thanks.
Frankly speaking this depends a lot on your nationality (taking a girl abroad!) she needs a Visa: Schengen areas are the most difficult (they told me).
IT
IT have you met any of the girls in the posting below? Or are you just chatting with them online?
Italian..never would have figured that...
I'm Chatting with all I send out, and plan to fuck the two three best... and thats all.
IT
this katja looks ****d.
becarefull, no children please
yes as many russian or ukranian teens she looks ****, but she is 19teen love latex and sex role plays (with a such face, body and hair must be something incredible...).
it
You know if she is dooing weekends too?
ITI'll ask. It'll be interesting and you are correct. Informative, if she replies.
IL
it have you met any of the girls in the posting below? or are you just chatting with them online?
italian..never would have figured that...
sorry crusier d a session of answers!
of course i met some girls found on flirt (even with help of irish lad):
in kiev:
[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) several times $$$
[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) plus girlfiend once $$$
uliana twice free
kathrin (yet not shown) free
in moscow (found on omen and elswhere)
iriska (long weekend) $$$
sveta (long weekend) $$$
in both casees plus a lot of pros...
including our kiev icon mystery tramp and my moscow icon valentina...
have i answered?
why are you surprized i'm italian?
let me know..
it
ps i have some planned meeting already now bot in moscow and kiev, obviously some free some not but all under 21-22...prefeably 18-19teen! :d
Member #4378
04-17-07, 11:12
Frankly speaking this depends a lot on your nationality (taking a girl abroad!) she needs a Visa: Schengen areas are the most difficult (they told me).
IT
I have had some success with sponsoring girls/women from omen.ru. Because I live abroad, I send them an electronic ticket and meet them in Europe. Often, girls want to meet with you in Russia, before going out with you. To visit Moscow, it is a bit trouble for me (visa, ...), while I can pay a visit to Kiev.
I have had some success with sponsoring girls/women from omen.ru. Because I live abroad, I send them an electronic ticket and meet them in Europe. Often, girls want to meet with you in Russia, before going out with you. To visit Moscow, it is a bit trouble for me (visa, ...), while I can pay a visit to Kiev.
Something strang in your words... If you need to go to Russia just buy a trip (a private one) from intourist... and you willl get a visa!
Omen is a good source but it's not the same database as the others!
IT
Sorry Crusier D a session of answers!
Why are you surprized I'm Italian?
Let me know..
I already knew that!
:)
Chill Bill
04-17-07, 15:54
Hello IT,
This 19teen girl Katia, she likes anal?
AColonizer
04-17-07, 19:46
How can I meet Eva? I wish Eva very much.
Please, reply to me.
Hello IT,
This 19teen girl Katia, she likes anal?
At the moment what I know is that she is chatting willingly on ICQ (but in Spanish.. o my poor teacher if he saw me!).
She declaerd herself as a "bi" with good hererosexual experience and little lesbian one (her friend on the photo may be).
So for anal I do not know, I'll try to discover ! ;)
Surely she licks and like to be licked (pussy I mean) when I'll be a week in Kiev, in may I'll try to get all three in bed! Kissing a nice blondinka still with the pussy taste on the mouth is in fact something really nice (already done it with two Gia girls Irina and Zarina, but here it might be for free!)
IT
If you all think I'm perverted... like to kiss pussy flavouring girlish mouth, taking girls anally in the kitchen, havin a three day sex rally as my birthday present, etc... YES I AM! REALLY PERVERTED... Already done sisters (all six holes) :D , but I still miss twins (possibly lesbian) if somebody can help! ;)
LOL - - I like your attitude and style
Hello all,
IT Travel,
I've met Eva and she has nice tits.
She's looking for $2,000 a month and doesn't care what type of man she meets as long as he pays.
I told her she was "overpricing" herself. She doesn't speak to me any more. wonder why not?
IL
Doctor_Skank
04-18-07, 11:12
Well mongers, 5 more years of fun before Ukraine is officially destroyed by European tourists... if it doesn't happen sooner.
If Eurovision was the beginning of the end of Candyland, EURO2012 will be the end.
Get the pussy while you can!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6562527.stm
Chill Bill
04-18-07, 12:18
Hello IT,
I, like you, like the younger girls! I plan to go out to the clubs in Kiev tomorrow and wanted your advice (actually, all are welcome to reply). What Kiev nightclubs have the largest population of 18-20 year olds? Is it Arean? 112? I'm interested in working the non-pro scene a bit before I go to RP as a last resort. Any advice on where to go on a Thursday night?
Thanks!
Well mongers, 5 more years of fun before Ukraine is officially destroyed by European tourists... if it doesn't happen sooner.
If Eurovision was the beginning of the end of Candyland, EURO2012 will be the end.
Get the pussy while you can!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6562527.stm
We will try to get uninflationated pussy as much as possible, and then fly to Russian unknown destination (Urals) where you still can get a stunner fot 10-15 USD/hour!
IT
Hello IT,
This 19teen girl Katia, she likes anal?
Perhaps I can loose this important question next week :D
IT
How can I meet Eva? I wish Eva very much.
Please, reply to me.
Go on one usual database.. like www.flirt.com.ua, buth there are many other and just put in city (Kiev, and the age from 19 to 19) You will find her quicly!
IT
Guys, I didn't read the story link yet, but I hope it is not Ukraine joining the EU. My experiences in Greece have taught me that Euro conversion is nothing good. The Athens crew reports that the price of everything doubled when the Euro was adopted, while salaries stayed at the same levels. As a result, everything doubled in price, including P4P. If this occurs in Ukraine, it will just worsen everything.
AColonizer
04-19-07, 12:32
To contact and fuck Ukrainian girls (streets, clubs, sites), is it necessary to write and speak a good Russian or just some Russian words?
Englishman
04-24-07, 10:28
I am very new here so please forgive me if this is old information. I found this site where you can send free SMS to Ukrainian mobile phones. I've tried it myself and it works
http://www.kyivstar.net/en/sms/
in that case warn me if she comes to turkey on holiday.
i won't have anything to do in the ukraine. hihi
lol
wever
yes as many russian or ukranian teens she looks ****, but she is 19teen love latex and sex role plays (with a such face, body and hair must be something incredible...).
it
I think to contact ukrainian girls on the street, clubs etc you need elementary russian. Not just some words, but to be able to make some sentences.
Written russian is very different from oral russian. It does not matter if you cannot read newspapers when you can hold on a conversation. Oral russian is learned by ear through many conversations with girls. If you can recognize some key words you will do fine, understand 60% of what they say. You do not need more.
Me and You
04-24-07, 13:52
Very intersting posts. You seem like an expert in Ukraine and other countries. I don't speak russian but I would like some sites in English to chat or to emails.
Do you have any ideas?
Thankx
Go on one usual database.. like www.flirt.com.ua, buth there are many other and just put in city (Kiev, and the age from 19 to 19) You will find her quicly!
IT
AColonizer
04-28-07, 21:20
Dear friends,
I have an important question about behaviour of prostitutes in over the world:
Are prostitutes usually liars and cheats? Do prostitutes usually ask, for the same service, different prices depending on the good-heart of customers? Have customers always to check which service they asked and which service they got?
Because here in Italy all prostitutes are expensive and some prostitutes are more expensive than in Moscow or New York and all prostitutes try to cheat customers.
Bez Bezarra
05-04-07, 01:40
In behaviour of the world Are prostitutes usually liars and cheats?
Because in Italy all prostitutes try to cheat customers.
In life in the world people tend to give what they get.
Initially some would not have much reason to be deceitful, but as more and more customers lie to them and try to cheat them, they will instinctively return this behavior back to where it came from.
The time it takes for this behavior to develop is NOT very long!
AColonizer
05-06-07, 19:32
50% is like you said.
But I think prostitutes are prostitutes because they are professionals in liars and, for example, all prostitutes learn the psycology tricks so they hypnotize some customers.
Prostitutes don't cheat strong and bad customers but only weak and good customers.
The main psycology trick is prostitutes pretend to be friends (and "sale" her friendship and emotions and story) and so good customers are worried about girl's life and so they pay 100 for a service that usually values 25.
How do those customers become when they will understand the truth?
Anyway, the best thing should be every person has a perfect beloved and to live happy.
In life in the world people tend to give what they get.
Initially some would not have much reason to be deceitful, but as more and more customers lie to them and try to cheat them, they will instinctively return this behavior back to where it came from.
The time it takes for this behavior to develop is NOT very long!
Didn't we just go through the evil prostitute verus the good john debate a few months ago?
Captain Fire
05-07-07, 10:45
I have been using the flirt.com website last few days and its quite surprising the response I have had. I put on my profile that I was visiting my city often and was foreign businessman looking for a lady to sponsor. 9 answers so far and 2 are definitely high 8's. My problem is that if they try to send me an e mail on hotmail or on yahoo, it comes in as gibberish. I am using laptop with Windows XP Professional and Office Professional. Anyone out there have any idea on how to set my computer up to receive other languages. It seems this problem is only with those languages not in western alphabet. Appreciate any help and if anyone else has had this problem.
Thanks to Robert Palli and Acolonizer for translation programs
Take care
Cap
Robert Palli
05-07-07, 15:22
Mozilla firefox ie does work too well with flirt. Later man. What city you pimpin in?
Did you enable Russian on your XP Language bar?
Right off the bat toss 50% of your internet contacts out the window - old pics, fake pics, girls who won't show.
Member #4378
05-08-07, 04:28
My problem is that if they try to send me an e mail on hotmail or on yahoo, it comes in as gibberish. I am using laptop with Windows XP Professional and Office Professional. Anyone out there have any idea on how to set my computer up to receive other languages. It seems this problem is only with those languages not in western alphabet. Appreciate any help and if anyone else has had this problem.
Thanks to Robert Palli and Acolonizer for translation programs
Take care
Cap
Click on "View" and choose "Character Encoding". Depending what is used, choose Cyrillic KOI8 or Cyrillic Windows.
Captain Fire
05-08-07, 15:57
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Mozilla firefox ie does work too well with flirt. Later man. What city you pimpin in?[/QUOTE]
I've got most of my programs now working with encoding, but still e mail messages come in as gibberish. I've got most of my contacts sending in word or notepad as attachment so not too bad. BTW, I'm not pimping as you call it. I've been on WSG for a fairly long time and have always tried to pass on info to all on areas that have proven fruitful for me. Like I wrote, Flirt has got me quite a few potentials, most I have spoken to on mobile. Sure some will be duds, but out of a dozen, I figure to score with 6 to 8, with 4 being prime. I'll let you know after I've been home a few days in Vinnitsa.
Cap
Captain Fire
05-08-07, 16:03
Click on "View" and choose "Character Encoding". Depending what is used, choose Cyrillic KOI8 or Cyrillic Windows.
Thanks dimension. That is the trick that worked. Hopefully will open up more communication with the lovelies now.
Cap
So I have completely booked my trip to Kiev. I will arrive for a month in June. Is customs generally a problem here? Do they stop a lot of people?
AColonizer
05-12-07, 13:40
Houston, we have a problem . . . ;-)
I found a lot of sponsor girls with www.flirt.com.ua in Ukraine and Russia. It seems they work only with condoms.
I don't ask for all no-condom sex because I know it's very dangerous but I ask only for the fantastic East-european deep swallowing blowjobs.
So my question is: is that only a cheat or fraud to get more money because all sponsor girls (like all prostitutes) do all no-condom sex, too?
What is the sense to pay a sponsor girl when she does less sex for more money? For example, 800 euros for flight + 800 euros for hotel + 800 euros for weekly sponsor girl (and a lot of stress) = 2400 euros = 12 days (2 hours a day) of no-condom blowjobs with a girlfriendexperience prostitute in Italy.
At last, what is the body and face difference between Ukrainian and Russian girls?
(I fucked a fantastic Ukrainian girl. Her family origin is near Urals in Russia. I loved her because her beauty and charm are very particular and amazing. So I decided to marry an Ukrainian girl. But now I realize her nationality is Ukrainian but her beauty and charm are Russian. Where do I search for my lifetime girl, in Ukraine or in Russia?)
Captain Fire
05-12-07, 17:05
I think it depends on where you come from. I've never even been checked other than to ask if I have anything to declare. I usually have a carton of cigs or a bottle, they say fine, enjoy your stay. I've noticed Oriental and Africans getting questioned quite long at customs and luggage checks. Drugs are a definite no no and you should have any prescription medicine clearly identified. You will get asked your destination, hotel, apartment friend and you should have a contact phone number. Best to buy a SIM card at the airport for your phone or pick up a dirt cheap Nokia. Phone calls are not expensive and you will need it.
Best of luck in Ukraine
Cap
So I have completely booked my trip to Kiev. I will arrive for a month in June. Is customs generally a problem here? Do they stop a lot of people?
houston, we have a problem . . . ;-)
i found a lot of sponsor girls with www.flirt.com.ua in ukraine and russia. it seems they work only with condoms.
i don't ask for all no-condom sex because i know it's very dangerous but i ask only for the fantastic east-european deep swallowing blowjobs.
so my question is: is that only a cheat or fraud to get more money because all sponsor girls (like all prostitutes) do all no-condom sex, too?
what is the sense to pay a sponsor girl when she does less sex for more money? for example, 800 euros for flight + 800 euros for hotel + 800 euros for weekly sponsor girl (and a lot of stress) = 2400 euros = 12 days (2 hours a day) of no-condom blowjobs with a girlfriendexperience prostitute in italy.
at last, what is the body and face difference between ukrainian and russian girls?
(i fucked a fantastic ukrainian girl. her family origin is near urals in russia. i loved her because her beauty and charm are very particular and amazing. so i decided to marry an ukrainian girl. but now i realize her nationality is ukrainian but her beauty and charm are russian. where do i search for my lifetime girl, in ukraine or in russia?)
russian girls are usually very charming i agree…
but marrying… could be a great risk!
coming to get more “material” things, do not misunderstand on flirt, between pros and sponsor girls…
sponsor girls (the one i tried mainly russian, even in ukraine) did all bbbj and usually even cim one excluded (but she took it anally instead!).
one of the best was my pal (found on omen) piggy no pants!
a fatty natural blondinka in moscow (you have to try everything! unfortunately lost any contact) not a beauty but very good in sex… she gave me (as [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) in kiev) very good bbbjs. usually with swallowing.
by far the best was the first bbbj she made: as written previously after touching, exploring fucking she just laid me down, took off the condom, and started liking and sucking… (i remember it was some days of no fuck, i was just arrived in moscow) after a while she got several big and i suppose thick shots in the mouth… just swallowed and went on sucking until my best friend was completely clean and relaxed, then she came up laying on my chest, smiled and just said “tasty!”
you can just imagine how horny you get! she was just a 5 or 6 (if you like bbw), but as said i do not like to lay in a bed with a stunner who is a log!
i tried to get her to do this in the eraly morning, but she said lafing: breakfast first!
this in one of the reason i’m still trying to find the mystery tramp and rent her for some days! now she is drinking hard (vodka) so i think it won’t be difficult to get her drinking a good vodka-cum cocktail! no olives… she will get mine to lick!
it
Virgin Master
05-22-07, 07:19
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AColonizer
05-25-07, 14:52
What is the correct translation to Russian sex lingo (in cirillyc alphabet) of the following words (from the abbreviation list of this forum)?
Thank you for you help.
Analinus Anal Rimming
Cowgirl Girl on top, squatting
oral sex without condom
Bare Back Blow Job to Completion with Swallowing
Bare Back Blow Job With Facial
Bare Back Full Service (sex)
Body Lick
Ball Licking and Sucking
Doggy Style
Cum in Mouth
Cum on Breast
Cum on Face
Deep Throat
Deep French Kissing
masturbation
A threesome with two girls and you
Double Penetration
Digital penetration
Full Body Sensual Massage
Finger Up The Butt
Get completely naked
Girl Friend Experience
[CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) on your partner
Anal sex
Clean shaven pussy
Hindu Massage The woman contracts her vaginal muscles during sex to squeeze you to completion
Honeymoon Experience
Penis rubbing between butt cheeks
Clitoris
Missionary position
Multiple Pops
Penis in Vagina
Porn Star Experience
Reverse Cowgirl Anal
Reverse Cowgirl
Penis between breasts
Sixty Nine
Sat On My Fa
Teabag Man squats and dips balls in partner's mouth
Wild Fuck
Bez Bezarra
05-28-07, 14:16
Could someone who really knows and understands please explain exactly what the hell is going on between Scarface and the Putin Puppet?
What is their beef now? What is really going to happen? What difference is any of this going to have on the average Ukrainian dyevochka? Or on any of us mongers?
Bez,
With Scarface and Putin Puppet, it is a very personal fight for power, nothing more.
As for what is going to happen, no sense in projecting any scenario since the country's leadership - so-called - is all screwed up. It is several well-organized criminal groups aiming to try and steal as much as they can under the guise of political parties. It does not matter the name, Regions, Our Ukraine or Timoshenko, they are all equally guilty of major crimes.
The ordinary citizen is just disgusted by all of this and wants nothing to do with them or the political process. The usual attitude is "to hell with all of them".
The dyevs are untouched by all of this. I just hope from a purely selfish perspective that visas are re-introduced. That way, those damned fools who come here and overpay won't come anymore.
Doctor_Skank
05-28-07, 16:24
The dyevs are untouched by all of this. I just hope from a purely selfish perspective that visas are re-introduced. That way, those damned fools who come here and overpay won't come anymore.
If that happens, Doc_Skank will rediscover his religious roots and run around yelling hail Marys for three days straight...
Bez Bezarra
05-28-07, 23:36
I just hope that visas are re-introduced.
Has anything like that EVER happened before? What would actually have to happen for them to change the visa requirement?
If they do, will my 5 year business visa that I got in 2005 still be ok?
Bez I will be very very surprise that the put back a visa policy but yes this can happen... If Putin friends win the next election.. but even there I will be surprise specially for the businesses visas... Ukraine doesn't have gas so the need money form outside. For now don't worry...
Sun Rise
Bez,
with the visa comment, I was just expressing a wish. Seems that too many idiots are coming here and just making a fine mess of things with overpaying. You know very well what it was like when the country still had a visa policy. It was great having so many girls for so little money spent.
Now, just forget about it with the influx of stupid "big" spenders who could get the same for half of what they now throw away.
Unfortunately, I doubt the visa policy will come back. The next big thing is the Euro Football Championshipns in 2012, 5 years away. That really is huge for Ukraine and a visa policy would really hurt the country's image.
But you never know with Putin's Puppet, if he comes to full power. He is the one capable of closing the borders. Scarface wants them open.
Doctor_Skank
05-29-07, 05:53
Bez,
with the visa comment, I was just expressing a wish. Seems that too many idiots are coming here and just making a fine mess of things with overpaying. You know very well what it was like when the country still had a visa policy. It was great having so many girls for so little money spent.
Now, just forget about it with the influx of stupid "big" spenders who could get the same for half of what they now throw away.
Unfortunately, I doubt the visa policy will come back. The next big thing is the Euro Football Championshipns in 2012, 5 years away. That really is huge for Ukraine and a visa policy would really hurt the country's image.
But you never know with Putin's Puppet, if he comes to full power. He is the one capable of closing the borders. Scarface wants them open.
I also don't see the visa policy being reintroduced, even though that would be GREAT. My other playground, Russia, will most likley have it's visa policy changed should Sochi get the winter Olympics in 2014. If they do win (the vote is on July 4) I expect Russia to go visa-free by 2011-2012 latest. That would coincide with Russia's plans to become a tourist destination. That would be lousy.
Unfortunately, I expect that they will get the Olympics, as it's the "politically correct" thing to do just as giving Ukraine/Poland Euro 2012 was.
Ukraine/Kyiv is really a craphole destination. No service or tourism sector to speak of. The average traveler is outragously overcharged for everything. Kyiv used to be a well known sex tourism spot - hot girls for cheap money but that is quickly changing and no longer true. I think Kyiv is pricing itself out of the market. The bottom is eventually going to fall out of the petro market (and with that the Moscow money) and Ukraine/Kyiv is going to find itself right back at 1991. Well, with the exception that most of the country's resources/heavy industries/farm lands will have already been sold off to the highest (or lowest) bidder.
Seriously if it wasn't for friends, family, girls or business would any of us (or anyone) be traveling to Kyiv.
Privetprivet
05-30-07, 21:26
I also don't see the visa policy being reintroduced, even though that would be GREAT. My other playground, Russia, will most likley have it's visa policy changed should Sochi get the winter Olympics in 2014. If they do win (the vote is on July 4) I expect Russia to go visa-free by 2011-2012 latest. That would coincide with Russia's plans to become a tourist destination. That would be lousy.
Unfortunately, I expect that they will get the Olympics, as it's the "politically correct" thing to do just as giving Ukraine/Poland Euro 2012 was.I wouldn't hold your breathe. Seventeen years (or whatever) after the fall of communism and the system of registration is still alive and kicking never mind Visas. Until W. Europe / US etc introduce Visa free travel for Russians I see it very unlikely to be a unilateral policy (I think Putin mentioned this once iin Germany). Also, Visas allow the Russians full control of their borders in-extreme. Along with the rise of Nationalism and a more prosperous Russia (as we have seen over the last nine years) if anything expect restrictions to be more tedious.
On the subject of registration. I have held eight one year (Work) Visa's and have only registered twice, the last two times. Why? Because they seem to be checking more often and its not now a (threatened) trip with the militsia to the police station unless you pay 100-200r, but more like 500-1000r. Its getting tougher.
Privetprivet
05-30-07, 21:30
Sevastopol
Looking for apartment. Remont preferable, but I can live with Soviet. Must be absolutely central, one room is fine. $500-700/month budget preferable. Can anybody suggest anything? Speak English/Russian and can deal with both. can't find much on the web (but maybe thats because I suck with computers). Any help appreciated. Any advice in general on apartments in Ukraine also appreciated (only ever been to Kiev before).
Bez Bezarra
05-31-07, 02:47
Russia will have Sochi get the winter Olympics in 2014 then go visa-free.
How the hell could they keep security in those fucking mountains? That's where they fucking hide out. After Nal'chik and Beslan, an Olympics in the Caucasus will make Munich and the Palestinians look like a tea party.
Doctor_Skank
05-31-07, 06:27
How the hell could they keep security in those fucking mountains? That's where they fucking hide out. After Nal'chik and Beslan, an Olympics in the Caucasus will make Munich and the Palestinians look like a tea party.
Charlie don't surf!
AColonizer
06-02-07, 17:16
Please, help me about russian slang. Just one sentence:
What is the russian slang for "deep throat swallow blowjob" or "deep throat cum injection"?
Thank you for your support.
Doctor_Skank
06-03-07, 01:01
Please, help me about russian slang. Just one sentence:
What is the russian slang for "deep throat swallow blowjob" or "deep throat cum injection"?
Thank you for your support.
I'm not fluent so I can't say the exact terms, but:
minet = blowjob (or simply oralny)
zaglotat = to swallow
v rote = in the mouth
So something like zagloti v rote would be "swallow it in the mouth". No idea how to say deep throat in Russian, but you could say "zagloti tselekom" which means "swallow the whole thing in your mouth."
Saying "zagloti kagda ya konchu" would mean "swallow when I finish."
Russians say "to finish" meaning come.
Ya konchala: I came (said by female)
Ya konchu : I'm coming
Ya uzhe konchal: I already came (said by male)
etc.
If any Russians natives could correct or add someting that'd be great.
AColonizer
06-03-07, 12:47
It is not the right Russian slang, anyway it can be useful ;-)
Deep throat is "глубокое miнет"
And what is the cyrillic translation of "swallow in throat when I finish (I come)"???
It is very important the cyrillic translation! Please, wru^ite in cyrillic alphabet.
Thank you.
Nice to see those Russian classes are paying off. ;)
AColonizer
06-07-07, 18:06
I like pussy licking. It is safe with known girls.
What about occasional stands with normal girls and prostitutes in Ukraine, after a well-done shower, is it safe pussy licking with them, too? Or is it better just a unprotected (without condom) dick sucking and a protected (with condom) pussy fucking?
Thank you for your death-proof help :-)
Doctor_Skank
06-07-07, 20:51
I like pussy licking. It is safe with known girls.
What about occasional stands with normal girls and prostitutes in Ukraine, after a well-done shower, is it safe pussy licking with them, too? Or is it better just a unprotected (without condom) dick sucking and a protected (with condom) pussy fucking?
Thank you for your death-proof help :-)
It is impossible to know if pussy licking is safe or unsafe with any girl.
Most experts agree that chances of getting HIV/AIDS from pussy licking (or getting a uncovered blowjob) are virtually nil, however there are lots of other nasty diseases that you could get from them or give to them. Herpes is an example.
The evil thing about herpes is that you or she may not even know you have it... symptoms don't show up on everybody who has it.
I suggest you read up in health related forums and don't trust the hearsay of mongers.
http://www.cdc.gov/std/
There is also a separate forum about it here.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=268
I still "go down/pussy lick" on most non-pros I am with... but I don't go down on prostitutes anymore. Not for a long time.
Also, for your peace of mind, I suggest that you get tested for venereal disesases twice a year or so. I do.
Bez Bezarra
06-08-07, 02:48
I pussy lick known girls.
What about oil stains and prostitutes after a shower
is it a fungus and red pus?
Thank you for death
help :-)
So what were they BEFORE you knew them?
Hey guys,
Can anyone recommend a place to buy cialis in Kiev?
Rough cost?
Thanks
Nufc9
Viagra, Cialis and all the other helpers, their availability and prices have been written about in this forum many times.
The simple answer to your request is RTFF.
Thanks Uke Boy.
Sorry mate, I have been reading so much stuff on here lately im getting a headache :)
I appreciate your reply.
AColonizer
06-13-07, 12:46
Hello guys,
A question about prostitutes in Ukraine, please:
Are prostitutes in Ukraine greedy and lazy and cheaty (like in Italy)? Also I mean for example, when I put my dick in their mouths and so I forget my selfcontrol, they are ready to ask me for more money and I can't reply "no"? Because when I fuck, I like to have fun and I don't like to be stressed by bad people.
Thank you for your experienced replies.
I posted some info on sponsoring in Russian section, Genaral info...
Might be useful for Kiev too...
IT
Hello guys,
A question about prostitutes in Ukraine, please:
Are prostitutes in Ukraine greedy and lazy and cheaty (like in Italy)? Also I mean for example, when I put my dick in their mouths and so I forget my selfcontrol, they are ready to ask me for more money and I can't reply "no"? Because when I fuck, I like to have fun and I don't like to be stressed by bad people.
Thank you for your experienced replies.
Take overnighters and so on... what is included is included... like in gia price list... If you manage to CIM in a girl 20 times it your business... :) :)
IT
No they are not like lazy Italians (I can say it because I'm Italian too)!
It is impossible to know if pussy licking is safe or unsafe with any girl.
Most experts agree that chances of getting HIV/AIDS from pussy licking (or getting a uncovered blowjob) are virtually nil, however there are lots of other nasty diseases that you could get from them or give to them. Herpes is an example.
The evil thing about herpes is that you or she may not even know you have it... symptoms don't show up on everybody who has it.
I suggest you read up in health related forums and don't trust the hearsay of mongers.
http://www.cdc.gov/std/
There is also a separate forum about it here.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=268
I still "go down/pussy lick" on most non-pros I am with... but I don't go down on prostitutes anymore. Not for a long time.
Also, for your peace of mind, I suggest that you get tested for venereal disesases twice a year or so. I do.
Always correct Doc...
I do the same...
The last pro I licked (You too perhaps) was MT :) some years ago. Now I do it only on young clean ones not pros.
For instance I did not lick Uliana... not too clean! :(
IT
You 'gentlemen' may want to try love.mail.ru. There are a lot of profiles, both pro and non pro, there in just about any city you want to look. Nude and non nude photos. It would probably be a good idea if you got an email address there also. Realtime chat is free. It's like fishing with dynamite!
For those who need the help, try translate.ru.
Hello all,
IT Travel,
I've met Eva and she has nice tits.
She's looking for $2,000 a month and doesn't care what type of man she meets as long as he pays.
I told her she was "overpricing" herself. She doesn't speak to me any more. wonder why not?
ILShe seems to be very enterprising. Anyone here boldly go where no man etc?
Hello all,
I retrieved my conversation with Eva in light of the previous report.
"A rich man who can provide me, take care of me, appearence its not important. Every mounth I spend $2000 for my dress, fitness club, cosmetics salon and other... I work in salon, do make up for women and girls, a little difficult for me to live and study at the university."
"Hi, I was thinking about what you said the other night. For $2,000 a month, a man can get a supermodel here in Kiev. Perhaps you should lower your price. Maybe $400 a month?"
Now I remember why she didn't "jump at my proposal".
IL
Hello all,
I retrieved my conversation with Eva in light of the previous report.
"A rich man who can provide me, take care of me, appearence its not important. Every mounth I spend $2000 for my dress, fitness club, cosmetics salon and other... I work in salon, do make up for women and girls, a little difficult for me to live and study at the university."
"Hi, I was thinking about what you said the other night. For $2,000 a month, a man can get a supermodel here in Kiev. Perhaps you should lower your price. Maybe $400 a month?"
Now I remember why she didn't "jump at my proposal".
IL
If you say 10-12 nights or real big encounters a month it's less than 200 USD once... might be OK.. for those melons!
My problem is that she do not answer to my messages!
IT
James T Kirk
07-15-07, 10:07
Perhaps Eva reads our forum. Perhaps Eva has a lot of beginners. Anyway, Eva is not the only woman in Kiev. We will test the other one million women in Kiev.
You can sponsor a college girl in the US for less then 2k a month. I've done it for prices ranging from 1800 to 600. Of course it helps to live in a college town.
A girl who says 'appearance is not important' would probably hump Lenin's body for 2k/month. What kind of guy would pay a '6' 2k/month in Kiev? IL, $400/month is more then enough for the girl. You'll probably see her around ten time in a month at $40 a pop. Any '6' in Kiev who has a professional or semi pro inkling would jump at $40/hr+. Even if she was your live in slave, maid, sex toy she wouldn't be worth 2k/month. Looks like the Cruiser has to make another trip to Kiev to put these girls back in the place. ;)
Irish,
If this Princess Eva works in a salon and SPENDS 2K US per month on all those luxuries, I would ask where she is getting that kind of cash.
She is doing real well in Kiev. Maybe she would like to sponsor me!
Sounds to me like she has more than one sugar daddy or she is just a serial scammer.
Any woman here who demands big bucks for anything, from dinner to sponsorship to whatever should be looked at as just another golddigger. You should run as fast as you can from these types, no matter how big their tits are.
Irish,
If this Princess Eva works in a salon and SPENDS 2K US per month on all those luxuries, I would ask where she is getting that kind of cash.
She is doing real well in Kiev. Maybe she would like to sponsor me!
Sounds to me like she has more than one sugar daddy or she is just a serial scammer.
Any woman here who demands big bucks for anything, from dinner to sponsorship to whatever should be looked at as just another golddigger. You should run as fast as you can from these types, no matter how big their tits are.I asked but she hasn't spoken to me since!
I have no interest in sponsoring any girl here in Kiev, big tits or otherwise. In the last year I have only met 8 girls more than once so the idea of paying to keep the same girl is alien to me. The max. Is 3 meetings and delete number for most guys here.
I wrote to Eva and she replied as she knows me from around the place. After she told me about the 2k a month. I picked myself up off the floor, tried to stop laughing and suggested she should lower her asking price to $400.
Sure, she has a fine rack but she's at most a 6. A coffee is the appropriate investment in her.
IL
i asked but she hasn't spoken to me since!
i have no interest in sponsoring any girl here in kiev, big tits or otherwise. in the last year i have only met 8 girls more than once so the idea of paying to keep the same girl is alien to me. the max. is 3 meetings and delete number for most guys here.
i wrote to eva and she replied as she knows me from around the place. after she told me about the 2k a month. i picked myself up off the floor, tried to stop laughing and suggested she should lower her asking price to $400.
sure, she has a fine rack but she's at most a 6. a coffee is the appropriate investment in her.
il
hello il...
i do not know if she is worth 10 cents or 2.000 $...
in my opinion it do not depend too much on appereance... i love pigs in bed even if they are not so nice (as you well know...). if you agree next time i'll speak about [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901), not giving any reference of course... on gound we nailed her both!
i think we have to make a kiev club... somebody was asking how to join the mt fuckes club... just go to rp and nail her! [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) is different, a more difficult and sophisticated sex... nothing to do with beauty (i write on her on ground of the tit diffrence ;) )
it
Does anybody knows which are the most used dating sites in Ukraine, in number of users?
I mean sites like match.com or meetic.com, not agencies or intermediaries.
Thx!
http://www.kerch.info (same like love.mail.ru or 100 other sites)
german translation: http://www.ujut.net/6/98/
there was a request some time back about sex terms and the russian equivalent. here it is for the main ones...
bbbj bare back blow job - blow job without a condom - Минет без презерватива
bdsm bondage, submission, domination, sadism and masochism - садо-мазо
bjtc blow job to completion- blow job until you cum - Минет пока не кончишь
bls ball licking and sucking - Олизывание и сосание яйцев
cbj covered blow job - blow job with condom - Минет в презервативе
cbt cock & ball torture - пытки для хуя и яйцев
cim cum in mouth - Кончить в рот
cimsw cum in mouth and swallows - Кончить в рот с проглотом
daty dining at the y - cunnilingus (oral sex on her) - Куня
digits vaginal penetration with fingers - Пальцем у ней поковыряться у песде
dfk deep french kissing - kissing with the tongue - Глубокий французский поцелуй
dt dildo training (on you) - это для любителей страпона
dom domination - Госпожа
ff foot fetish - для любителей полизать ножки
fs full service (sexual intercourse) - т.е. половой акт, поза значения не имеет
gfe girlfriend experience - should include kissing - Как с подружкой (любовницей).
safe gfe safe girlfriend experience - Как с любовницей, но без минета (даже если в презе)
greek anal sex - Анальный секс - ШГ
gs [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103) (she pisses on you) - Золотой дождь
lk light kissing - легкие поцелуи
msog multiple shots on goal - allowed to cum more than once in a session - Разрешается несколько заходов
nt nipple torture - Можно поиздеваться над ейными сосками
pearls ejaculation on her upper breasts - Кончить на грудь
pse porn star experience (just watch a movie to find out) - Как побыть с порно звездой - все проходит
rimming licking of the anal sphincter with the tongue, and is technically called anilingus - Девочка лижет жопу
russian penis between girls breasts - Трах между грудями
rp role play - Ролевые игры (Школьница-Учитель и т.д.)
spk spanking - Порка
sm sadism and masochism - Садо/Мазо
sub submission - Рабыня
ymmv your mileage may vary - Как повезет
from the 2007 banned users list forum from today:
banned: vincevoyeur
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reason: where do i begin?
1. allegations that he's been using the pm system to promote **** girls.
2. posting a link to his personal photo gallery.
3. sending me an email falsely claiming that he paid for a subscription.
4. allegations that he posted photos stolen from other website.
5. several instances of posting racist remarks.
6. literally dozens and dozens of complaints from other forum members.
it's obvious that i should have banned him long ago, but he continued to manage to operate just under the wire with several multi-month periods of reasonable posts, and then with uncanny accuracy he would start posting his brand of bs after i had taken my eye off of him.
i'm so fucking tired of serial antagonists on the forum that i'm completely revising the banning procedure to simply delete any member upon their second questionable report, no questions asked. what do you think?
thanks,
jackson
and we thank you, jackson!fyi vincevoyeur has been banned again : not on isg but on another website. the reason : insane fixation on [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) / torture / sex slavery.
AColonizer
08-10-07, 16:23
Thank you very much! Now I like this forum. A lot of people write just like I think!
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]There was a request some time back about sex terms and the Russian equivalent. Here it is for the main ones.
Hi I am going to the Kiev in about 6 weeks I have never been before and would like to know what is the best way to meet a nice girl I am 29 I will be there for a few weeks and if any one has any info on good clubs and bars places to drink and eat would be good as well.
Thank you very much.
Hi I am going to the Kiev in about 6 weeks I have never been before and would like to know what is the best way to meet a nice girl I am 29 I will be there for a few weeks and if any one has any info on good clubs and bars places to drink and eat would be good as well.
Thank you very much.
You can go to Kiev section...
But start immediately (with the help of an automatic translator) to be a memeber (it's free) of www.flirt.com.ua you will get at least a date avery evening if you are there an hour a day for six weeks! Normal, Sponsored and Pros... I had no difficulties and I'm over 45 and not a beauty so...
If you are thre for some weeks rent a hous very central... nice one (who pays? you or the company? Big two rooms in 150 USD class, with flat screen, internet, new furniture and jacuzzi, will impress the girls specially if they are young and not so wealthy.
There are lots of good restaurants in the central area, most not cheap, but... the clubs are the usual, RP, Areana, 112 etc. you will find normal and pros...
Happy hunting.
IT
AColonizer
08-19-07, 22:31
I would like to contribute in this forum talking about my experience and the experiences of other people about Kiev and girls in Kiev.
I am happy of my good holiday in Kiev. It is exciting to live in Kiev more than other European cities. And how much interesting pussy I saw!
Kiev is an expensive city and its lifestyle is expensive. Usually "normal" girls in Kiev have a good education and a good job. They are used to be pampered by local men and thousands of tourists. They are funny and sly.
How to get "normal" girls? I saw a lot of tourists give flowers and pay their lunches and dinners with no results. I think the best way is: I am here, I am your man, I don't need to give flowers, at the first meeting if you are a serious girl (this is a typical female idea) then I pay for me and you pay for you. If girl wants to know us (or to fuck us) then she accepts our behaviour otherwise she wants just to be pampered. Don't worry, we meet a girl a day.
What about sponsor and prostitutes girls, beginners meet a lot of them very expensive and few services and it means from 40 to 100 $ per hour with bad oral sex with condom: of course, it is necessary to know what is a real oral sex and a lot of men are glad just for "cumming". I think the best oral sex is a strong-deep-throat-repeating-swallow-blowjob. Unluckly it is very rare in Ukraine too. .
I think to meet and to fuck a "normal" girl gives more satisfaction because a sponsored or prostitute girl can often be more expensive (flight, flat, service) in Kiev than our origin countries and the service is not often better.
Bez Bezarra
08-20-07, 03:31
I like to talk about my experience of girls in Kiev.
About sponsor girls, very expensive and few services with bad oral sex with condom: of course, I think the best oral sex is very rare in Ukraine.
I think a sponsored girl is not often better.
Corn-holio.
Ukraine has so many different outlooks on leisure activities, that finding the friendliest dyevochka to sponsor probably means that the mamachka gave me the suggestion. You might consider that service an unnecessary
expense, but its a good investment.
Bez, could you ask Blondie to speak up a bit - I can't hear what she's saying.
https://proxify.com/p/011010A0000110/http:=2f=2fwww.InternationalSexGuide.info=2fforum=2fattachment.php=3fattachmentid=3d77923
Oops - I forgot that I cannot post links with proxify. (I have to use proxify to by-pass the block that the authorities in the UAE put on naughty websites. For some reason they consider ISG to be naughty).
__
Anyway, I thought Blondie was saying "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".
AColonizer
08-20-07, 16:29
What do you mean with:
If you have someone that helps you with introductions,More people are in the business and more the girl costs.
Acolonizer, where did you stay when you were in Kiev? What clubs did you go to? Where did you go to eat?
We need more advice from a Kiev veteran such as yourself.
AColonizer
08-21-07, 21:17
Dear Cruiser D.,
It was better you asked me by a private message because it is not useful to fill a public forum with personal messages. I am not a veteran but just a person who asks information and talk about what has happened. I am a good-mannered person and I don't have any business in Kiev. And what about you?
I stay at Dnipro Hotel on Kreschiatik street (it has the lights on the borders) and in a flat on Basseyna street (near a building in progress). My supermarket is Furshet under Mandarina Plaza, before to go downstairs Furshet, on the left, there is a parfume shop. My restaurants are Dva Guzia on Kreschiatik street e Pusata Chata on Baseyna street and Macdonald's next to Kreschiatik metro station and Mister Snek on Kreschiatik street. I like Napoleon torte and Waffle torte. For the meeting, girls take me to some not-cheap restaurants with hard-to-pronounce and forgettable names. I went to Patipa, 112 and River Palace. The man ticket for Patipa is between 60 to 100 grivnas. The man ticket for 112 I don't remember. The man ticket for River Palace is 60 grivnas (but it changes in some days). The man ticket for Arena Club is 100 grivnas (I never went to). River Palace has bar downstairs, casino upstairs and disco on the right. Her manageress is Natasha. Just for you, in Arena City there is the advertisement of the concert of Zucchero. The Wednesday evening of last week there was a big rain that changes the roads in rivers. My Internet centres are in Metrograd shopping center and in Poschta central post office. I went to Hydropark nudist beach and to Obolon beach. These beaches are dirty and water is between yellow/brown and green. Etc.
Acolonizer, where did you stay when you were in Kiev? What clubs did you go to? Where did you go to eat?
We need more advice from a Kiev veteran such as yourself.
I would like too know if anyone who is in kiev can tell me if shakira has cancelled her concert on 13 sept, was about too book the airline tickets and apartment and they tell me she is going to be a no show!
Please pm me or advise on the board!
Grateful bandit
The Ukraine visa requirements have changed most recently, for residents of the EU as well as the US, the new laws are mainly geared to those who reside in Ukraine, and shouldn't matter to the casual visitor.
The Ukraine visa requirements have changed most recently, for residents of the EU as well as the US, the new laws are mainly geared to those who reside in Ukraine, and shouldn't matter to the casual visitor.
I can confirm from my trip there 2 months ago and VISA for European is not mandatory now, and I guess due to the next Football Europe, will remain free for European citizen
any recomendation? is it good value to buy one? the best one there for local calls? requirements- Passport necessary or ID? prices and the best type, maybe prepaid and best provider?
Thanks for advices
Doctor_Skank
09-03-07, 22:47
any recomendation? is it good value to buy one? the best one there for local calls? requirements- Passport necessary or ID? prices and the best type, maybe prepaid and best provider?
Thanks for advices
Visa requirements for EU and US were lifted years ago to facilitate the Eurovision tourists and Yushenko's bid to cosy up to the EU and the US. It'll stay that way for good now, unless Yanukovich or a similar Putin-puppet comes to power.
As for a provider of SIM cards, I've always been happy with Jeans. Cheap, easy, no hassle.
I think Life:) still offers the best deal for the Ukraine - although my primary Ukraine Cell sim is UMC - which is probably the worst as far as price, best as far as service. I always get a signal in places that people with other carriers don't. UMC - which is now MTS also owns JEANS - which was my first Ukrainian Cell sim - ah the memories.
A lot of my expat buddies have Kyivstar, so there must be something to them too. UMC, Jeans, DJuice, Kyivstar, Life:) all good.
No ID needed to buy a sim. Prepaid is the the way to go. Sim kits cost 5-50uah.
How much is a subway ride in Kiev? And do they have like weekly or monthly unlimited plans?
It's 50 kopecks or $0.10.
I've been on it twice - it's okay but I'm never one for mass transit.
Everyone says - local and non, beware of pickpockets.
Within weeks, I'll be able to offer you free phone service. When you have direct access to the subscriber database, anything is possible. :D
It's 50 kopecks or $0.10.
I've been on it twice - it's okay but I'm never one for mass transit.
Everyone says - local and non, beware of pickpockets.
I remember there were these blue plastic tokens for the subway and cardboard monthly passes that you would just show. Do the cardboard passes still exists? There were like couple different versions of it like: buss only, subway only, trolleybus only, bus/trolleybus and like trolleybus/bus/subway.
Hakan Demir
09-25-07, 10:16
Hi guys, I would like to know if anyone tried long-term sponsorship or not? I mean sponsor a hottie for a month. I would bring her with me to my home, she would do my house work and nights)))I contacted a girl from flirt, she wanted 6000$+gifts, but she was not worth that amount. Any suggestions?
Hi guys, I would like to know if anyone tried long-term sponsorship or not? I mean sponsor a hottie for a month. I would bring her with me to my home, she would do my house work and nights)))I contacted a girl from flirt, she wanted 6000$+gifts, but she was not worth that amount. Any suggestions?
$6,000 sounds a lot, but then it is for a month, which comes out to $200/day. Sex, cleaning/chores + cooking. I don't know, but if she is a 5-star cook then it might be worth it.
Doctor_Skank
09-27-07, 08:32
$6,000 sounds a lot, but then it is for a month, which comes out to $200/day. Sex, cleaning/chores + cooking. I don't know, but if she is a 5-star cook then it might be worth it.
I wouldnt count on her doing cleaning, chores and cooking... and as for cooking, I have found that a lot of young dyevs are horrible cooks or can't cook at all.
It only makes sense if:
a) you have the money to spare (throw away)
b) you really will be there to "use" her services everyday
c) you actually like her enough to keep banging the same hole day in day out
I personally don't see the point. For $6000 a month you certainly could find and maintain 4-5 regular girls who appreciate your attention and gifts. You'll get more variety, more affection and more appreciation.
In any case, good luck in your search!
i can agree totally with doc… no sponsor girl will make cleaning or so, and for cooking it’s best i do my self.
i was going for sponsoring [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) for a long 10 days vacation, and the price was far more than 300 $ a day. once i’ll tell the story of this missed trip… could be interesting and a suggestion. it was missed because she got sponsored by a north-american leaving in kiev. i think for around 4.000-5.000 $ month.
the fact is that she is a professional interpreter translator, was giving him russian lessons. and more of all she is simply superb in bed (even better than the first time mt), perhaps not a 9 or so, but for who like 160 cm, 47 kg, slim and always really wet bisexual… could be a bargain, surely she is able to steer several babushkas cleaning, cooking etc. i think that this guy, i envy him, make (at least a part) of the payment via the company, because she really assists hime as interpreter, secretary etc… he gets also a warm night cover on the spot!
the other thing it’s that she is bi, lets say 60% lesbian, 40% hetero. a sex machine in any case. my vacation was planned to seaside for relaxing with her hunting 18-19 teens for trios… kissing a girl (she is, i suppose, around 26-7) with still fresh flavour of a teen pussy on the lips is still one of my favourite… so if the guy spend 5.000 a month i’m happy for him…
miss x (tell you later). who is not a sponsored girl, but a normal 20 y.o. blonde, can’t even boil an egg for breakfast, and make a proper tea! but she spends one hour in make-up! when you sponsor a girl put in the babushkas costs, and lots of restaurant and clubs, specially if you want to nail her every day!
only two things. forget house keeping there are babushkas for that. i am concerned by the fact that soon, with the dollar fall (also against uah and rur) they will switch over sponsoring to €, and we europeans will get it harder….
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Hakan Demir
09-27-07, 09:06
Doc,
I like spending money for my pleasure but don't throw away. I know you are a legend in EE mongering and I would take good care of your advices. But from my personal exper. , I found out that sex becomes better when the girl begins to know you or lets say trust you. You would have great sex after 4-5 meetings. This is the first reason and the second is; I am not always able to travel Russia or Ukraina because of work, it is better if the girl would come to my country. If I would find a regular girl to sponsor not a pro, I know I would have fun and when I am bored, I will send her back. That is all.
I wouldnt count on her doing cleaning, chores and cooking... and as for cooking, I have found that a lot of young dyevs are horrible cooks or can't cook at all.
It only makes sense if:
a) you have the money to spare (throw away)
b) you really will be there to "use" her services everyday
c) you actually like her enough to keep banging the same hole day in day out
I personally don't see the point. For $6000 a month you certainly could find and maintain 4-5 regular girls who appreciate your attention and gifts. You'll get more variety, more affection and more appreciation.
In any case, good luck in your search!
I wouldnt count on her doing cleaning, chores and cooking... and as for cooking, I have found that a lot of young dyevs are horrible cooks or can't cook at all.
It only makes sense if:
a) you have the money to spare (throw away)
b) you really will be there to "use" her services everyday
c) you actually like her enough to keep banging the same hole day in day out
I personally don't see the point. For $6000 a month you certainly could find and maintain 4-5 regular girls who appreciate your attention and gifts. You'll get more variety, more affection and more appreciation.
In any case, good luck in your search!
What about shoe cleaning and polishing?
In this area of the world, you are not considered a man if you do not clean and polish your shoes yourself.
Asking any woman to do so is make your seem helpless and worthless in any woman's eyes, no matter how much you pay them for sponsorship.
It is one of those little cultural things that you cannot even joke with the ladies about.
Doctor_Skank
09-27-07, 23:02
Doc,
I like spending money for my pleasure but don't throw away. I know you are a legend in EE mongering and I would take good care of your advices. But from my personal exper. , I found out that sex becomes better when the girl begins to know you or lets say trust you. You would have great sex after 4-5 meetings. This is the first reason and the second is; I am not always able to travel Russia or Ukraina because of work, it is better if the girl would come to my country. If I would find a regular girl to sponsor not a pro, I know I would have fun and when I am bored, I will send her back. That is all.
Everybody must know what is best for himself and I am sure you have developed your own taste over the years and know how much money you are able to and want to spend on women.
I just "warn" everybody not to overvalue pussy. $6000/month, not for me. But I am not saying it will not work for you. I just think if you are wishing to pay $6000/month for a girl, why not just make her your "well-supported" girlfriend?
Just say, "Here's the deal babe. I like you and I want to help. I'll give you $2000/month so you can keep yourself beautiful for me. You'll be my girlfriend. We'll go on holiday together, I'll buy you gifts and adore you and treat you like a princess. You won't even think of looking at another man. We'll do this until either you or me has had enough."
If you met her on the internet where she is looking for a sponsor, trust me. She'll understand. If she's interested, she'll probably make a counter offer about 50% higher than your original. It's up to you if you wish to accept. Try to make it more of a "helping a poor girl you adore" relationship. She won't like to think of herself as a $3000/month *****, even if she is one.
Just a thought. But then again, what do I know.
What about shoe cleaning and polishing?
I do hope you were being sarcastic. These girls aren't slaves and don't want to be treated as such. Every damned one of them thinks she's a princess and princesses don't clean shoes.
There are times when you need to put them in their place, times when she is acting up and trying to take too much control in the relationship. You'll know when to act and speak a firm word with her. But making her clean your shoes is just... stupid.
Treat her nice and show her some male courtesy and you'll be surprised what she'll do for you without you even asking. Every princess needs a prince.
Well, the shoes won't clean themselves. I know that I can clean them, but I can never find the time for it. I am just kidding, but what about the whole "Russian Bride" thing that Americans think that Russian women are loyal and old-fashioned?
Hakan Demir
09-28-07, 07:51
I don't think it is so bad cause it is a job for them and they earn good money. All of us pay for what we do even if she is a pro or freebie (dinner, clubs and gifts or so). 'sex slave' is a hard word, they are only doing her job. I once sponsered a girl for 4 days for a vacation together, she was so happy and she did not want to leave and wanted to stay more. At least she only sleeps with me and does not have to jump from bed to bed.
I really feel sorry for the poor girl that ends up to be the shoe cleaner/cooker/housekeeper/sex-slave of a guy who has nothing more to offer to a woman than just a soulless existence filled with boredom and humiliation.
I heard somewhere on the internet that in Moscow some people pay girls so they can use the girls as furniture, like a couch, a seat or a coffee table.
Other girls even consent to hard spanking with bruises and stuff. Some guy actually made a video how he caned (spanked with a stick) a Moscow girl 90 times within 1 minute. I think that he paid her a lot of money for this.
James T Kirk
09-30-07, 14:26
But is that easier to marry a Russian girl to have good and free sex?
But is that easier to marry a Russian girl to have good and free sex?
I heard that some Ukrainian, Russian and other women from FSU want to marry someone like from USA and move there. And once in USA they just divorce or even worse divorce and get the 1/2 of wealth of the husband.
Bez Bezarra
10-01-07, 06:49
I warn not to overvalue pussy. I am not saying it will work.
I treat you like a princess until either you or me has had enough.
Then there are times to put them in their place, when she take too much control.
You'll know when to act and speak a firm word with her.
Treat her nice and show her some male courtesy and you'll be surprised what she'll do for you without you even asking.
I'm listening to the warning, but it goes in one ear and out the other.
She gets the royal treatment, but now I've had enough of waiting around for the surprise that never comes. Firm words have no positive effect, in fact, my efforts just don't effect her in a positive way. Dinners, gifts, home cooking, massages, even dental work, (which ain't cheap!), and......nichivo!
I think its just my fate that I only find the ones that think I'll accept a one way street, and it can only go for so long until I've run out of patience and I really resent their selfishness. And I ain't asking for much, I'm just looking for some tush.
It sure is clear proof how they change when they get over here. She may have been born in Omsk, but she's as american as mom's apple pie now.
Doctor_Skank
10-01-07, 12:21
I'm listening to the warning, but it goes in one ear and out the other.
She gets the royal treatment, but now I've had enough of waiting around for the surprise that never comes. Firm words have no positive effect, in fact, my efforts just don't effect her in a positive way. Dinners, gifts, home cooking, massages, even dental work, (which ain't cheap!), and......nichivo!
I think its just my fate that I only find the ones that think I'll accept a one way street, and it can only go for so long until I've run out of patience and I really resent their selfishness. And I ain't asking for much, I'm just looking for some tush.
It sure is clear proof how they change when they get over here. She may have been born in Omsk, but she's as american as mom's apple pie now.
The import models are vastly inferior to the originals.
I heard that some Ukrainian, Russian and other women from FSU want to marry someone like from USA and move there. And once in USA they just divorce or even worse divorce and get the 1/2 of wealth of the husband.
That really happens? No? Really?
And the balding fat 55 year old three times divorced metal worker, really thought the 22 year old good looking girl from a country where the normal wage is under $300 a month really loved him? after he found her on the internet / brothel or street.
I do not believe that could happen.........................................
Yep shit happens, but in my experience more to the idiots than the clever.
Doctor_Skank
10-01-07, 15:20
That really happens? No? Really?
And the balding fat 55 year old three times divorced metal worker, really thought the 22 year old good looking girl from a country where the normal wage is under $300 a month really loved him? after he found her on the internet / brothel or street.
I do not believe that could happen.........................................
Yep shit happens, but in my experience more to the idiots than the clever.
Especially when said metal worker thinks he can use Natasha as a piece of furniture ala Yossi without her soon discovering she has "other options".
Bez Bezarra
10-01-07, 23:49
The imports are inferior to originals.
It says right there, made in motherland.
But its this catalytic attitude converter that has severely reduced revving.
She started out good enough, for finding her at Blockbuster, but as it gets more familial, and conversations turn to karma and responsibility, she expects me to be a smiling debit card while she now cuts off all sperm production?
I wouldn't even take her home this morning, just left her at the bus stop.
Doctor_Skank
10-02-07, 00:07
It says right there, made in motherland.
But its this catalytic attitude converter that has severely reduced revving.
She started out good enough, for finding her at Blockbuster, but as it gets more familial, and conversations turn to karma and responsibility, she expects me to be a smiling debit card while she now cuts off all sperm production?
I wouldn't even take her home this morning, just left her at the bus stop.
"Someday this war's gonna end."
LTC Kilgore.
I hate the being mean part, but sometimes it's the only way out of an emotional dead-end.
I'm on the verge too. Her birthday is Thursday and she wants some sort of commitment present. Ain't gonna happen. I'd leave her at the bus stop, but damn little suchka is clever enough to take a taksi and arrive home before me. Must have some gypsy blood in her.
That really happens? No? Really?
And the balding fat 55 year old three times divorced metal worker, really thought the 22 year old good looking girl from a country where the normal wage is under $300 a month really loved him? after he found her on the internet / brothel or street.
I do not believe that could happen.........................................
Yep shit happens, but in my experience more to the idiots than the clever.
Still. What are the chances that a young Russian girl will stay with an old American once in USA?
Still. What are the chances that a young Russian girl will stay with an old American once in USA?
F**k All.
As soon as she starts to be chatted up by the slick advertising salesman around the same age as her who drives a nice car and will show here the life she really wants, and that not cleaning your shoes or acting like furniture!
Doctor_Skank
10-02-07, 10:09
Still. What are the chances that a young Russian girl will stay with an old American once in USA?
I'd say that depends on the Russian girl and the old American guy.
In my experience Russian women can be faithful, loyal and fantastic partners... but they expect a lot from their men. They especially hate laziness and self-pity. Escaping lazy and self-pitying men is the reason many of them agree to arranged marriages in foreign countries in the first place.
Money is a plus too. Not just because money buys nice things for Natasha, but because men who earn money are considered to be "real men" is Russian culture. Men who don't earn good money are considered pretty worthless.
So if the relationship is going to work, the man should be pretty sure of who he is and what he can offer. If he brings it to the table, he can expect a lot in return.
From what I can decipher from your posts you seem to be approaching it solely from the "what can I get from her" perspective. You'll only have limited success with this approach and she'll understand that you don't respect her. She'll give you no respect either. If that's all you care about, stick with prostitutes. You'll be happier that way and save a lot of time and effort.
Russian women are very much about power games in relationships. They prefer strong men by their own definition of femininity and are happy to assume the subordinate, submissive role as long as the relationship is running to their satisfaction... but of course use every opportunity they can to implement their feminine skills to full effect when they can, especially if they feel their man is being weak. Weakness is defined in many ways, not just physical strength.
I'd say that depends on the Russian girl and the old American guy.
In my experience Russian women can be faithful, loyal and fantastic partners... but they expect a lot from their men. They especially hate laziness and self-pity. Escaping lazy and self-pitying men is the reason many of them agree to arranged marriages in foreign countries in the first place.
Money is a plus too. Not just because money buys nice things for Natasha, but because men who earn money are considered to be "real men" is Russian culture. Men who don't earn good money are considered pretty worthless.
So if the relationship is going to work, the man should be pretty sure of who he is and what he can offer. If he brings it to the table, he can expect a lot in return.
From what I can decipher from your posts you seem to be approaching it solely from the "what can I get from her" perspective. You'll only have limited success with this approach and she'll understand that you don't respect her. She'll give you no respect either. If that's all you care about, stick with prostitutes. You'll be happier that way and save a lot of time and effort.
Russian women are very much about power games in relationships. They prefer strong men by their own definition of femininity and are happy to assume the subordinate, submissive role as long as the relationship is running to their satisfaction... but of course use every opportunity they can to implement their feminine skills to full effect when they can, especially if they feel their man is being weak. Weakness is defined in many ways, not just physical strength.
Now I undertand why you are called Doctor! respect to that man!
Hakan Demir
10-02-07, 13:35
I do totally agree with you. Cause Russian women are mostly well educated and know what they want. If you respect them, you would get much more. They are best partners if treated right. When they want, they can make you feel like a super hero.
I'd say that depends on the Russian girl and the old American guy.
In my experience Russian women can be faithful, loyal and fantastic partners... but they expect a lot from their men. They especially hate laziness and self-pity. Escaping lazy and self-pitying men is the reason many of them agree to arranged marriages in foreign countries in the first place.
Money is a plus too. Not just because money buys nice things for Natasha, but because men who earn money are considered to be "real men" is Russian culture. Men who don't earn good money are considered pretty worthless.
So if the relationship is going to work, the man should be pretty sure of who he is and what he can offer. If he brings it to the table, he can expect a lot in return.
From what I can decipher from your posts you seem to be approaching it solely from the "what can I get from her" perspective. You'll only have limited success with this approach and she'll understand that you don't respect her. She'll give you no respect either. If that's all you care about, stick with prostitutes. You'll be happier that way and save a lot of time and effort.
Russian women are very much about power games in relationships. They prefer strong men by their own definition of femininity and are happy to assume the subordinate, submissive role as long as the relationship is running to their satisfaction... but of course use every opportunity they can to implement their feminine skills to full effect when they can, especially if they feel their man is being weak. Weakness is defined in many ways, not just physical strength.
Gentleman Travel
10-02-07, 15:07
It says right there, made in motherland.
But its this catalytic attitude converter that has severely reduced revving.
She started out good enough, for finding her at Blockbuster, but as it gets more familial, and conversations turn to karma and responsibility, she expects me to be a smiling debit card while she now cuts off all sperm production?
I wouldn't even take her home this morning, just left her at the bus stop.
I am not quite following, Bez.
This is a Russian import you are servicing in the USA?
Did you get some mileage out of her initially?
How much did she cost to run?
I know this is a bit off topic, if the activity is stateside,
but finding servicable EE imports is a favourite dream of mine.
Can you tell us a bit more about how you went about it...?
This just came in from the American Embassy in Kiev. The main thing for mongers is to note points 1, 4 and 5:
UPDATE ON CHANGES IN UKRAINIAN IMMIGRATION LAW
The following information was conveyed to the Embassy informally by representatives of the Ukrainian Border Control authority and the Department of Citizenship, Migration and Registration. This information is not intended as an authoriative source of information about Ukrainian immigration laws and regulations but rather as a general guide. For specific information regarding individual cases American citizens should contact the appropriate Ukrainian authority or employ services of legal counsel.
An unofficial English translation of the text of the Resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine #917 from July 11, 2007.
“Registration is done for short term visits - for foreigners and stateless persons from countries which have visa regime - for the duration of the visa, but for no more than 90 days, unless otherwise stipulated by the international treaties; for foreigners and stateless persons from countries with a visa free regime - for the period of up to 90 days during a 180 day period, unless otherwise stipulated by the international treaties; after Ukraine's entry into WTO - for foreigners and stateless persons from WTO member-countries - for no more than 180 days during a year.”
1. The provision of Resolution 917 regarding the requirement to show sufficient funds at the border upon entry into Ukraine is not in effect at this time pending issuance of a list of countries that fall under this regulation by the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine.
2. Regarding employment in Ukraine.
• If a foreigner intends to travel to Ukraine for employment, the employer in Ukraine must obtain a work permit from the Ministry of Labor. A copy of this permit is sent to the applicant. The Appicant applies at a Ukrainian Consulate for an IM-1 visa. IM-1 is good for one year, but is single entry. After the applicant enters Ukraine, they submit their passport with an IM-1 visa in it and the original work permit to their local Department of Citizenship, Migration and Registration (DCMR) and get a stamp in their passport saying "Employment authorized until <date>." This stamp allows the person to leave and re-enter Ukraine as well as remain in Ukraine with no limits until its expiration. If the contract is longer than one year, then shortly before the stamp expires the employer must apply to the Ministry of Labor for an extension of the work permit. If the extension is granted, the work permit and the passport are brought to DCMR and are extended. No new IM-1 is required.
• If a foreigner enters Ukraine without a visa and decides s/he wants to be employed, the employer must apply to the Ministry of Labor for a work permit. This allows the person to remain in Ukraine and be employed for the duration of the work permit. The person will also need to register this permit with the DCMR. However, if s/he leaves Ukraine, s/he must obtain an IM-1 visa from a Ukrainian Embassy or Consulate abroad, re-enter Ukraine with this visa, and then receive the DCMR stamp mentioned in the paragraph above to be able to travel in/out of Ukraine with no limitations.
• Family members. Ukrainian law has no provisions for registration of minors (under 18). Spouses/family members of IM-1 holders are not automatically entitled to IM-1 status. However, if they intend to stay in Ukraine for more than 90 days, they must have a visa--most likely a P-1 (private) visa. When the IM-1 holder registers their work permit at DCMR, they should request the same status for their family members. Family members will receive a different stamp (most likely a permit for temporary residence), which will allow family members to stay in Ukraine and travel in/out the same way the IM-1 holder has.
3. Generally, foreigners can obtain Ukrainian visas (including IM-1) at any Ukrainian Consulate outside Ukraine. They do not have to travel to their home country to apply for a visa.
4. A computer system for counting the 90 and 180 days under the new provisions will be in place at all ports of entry soon. Counting will start on the day of traveler's first entry into Ukraine after the Resolution came into effect. It is the responsibility of the traveler to make sure that they are in compliance with the provisions of Ukrainian immigration law.
5. If traveler were to arrive at a Ukrainian port of entry and Ukrainian border authorities determine from the their records that traveler has used up their 90 days, it is possible that the Border Control officer will not permit traveler entry into Ukraine.
http://www.ua-now.com/print/268.html
Entry without a visa is still possible for up to 90 days, but now you have to wait 90 days if you want to reenter, in the past you could reenter one day later and again stay for 90 days. So the new rules only allow you to stay 90 days twice per year.
If I understood the information on the website above correctly, you are now only allowed to visit ukraine twice per year without a visa, even if you only stay for a short period! And even if you only stay for some days or some weeks, you will always have to wait 90 days before reentering!
Reiner Otto
10-05-07, 20:57
Sorry, I got different info:
In the past, it was possible to start the period of 90days for a stay in UA again immediately after leaving UA.
So you could stay 90 days, leave UA and come back the next day, to stay for another 90days.
According to new regulation, it is not allowed to stay more than 90 days within "floating" 180 days period of time.
So in case you stay 90 days, then you have to wait another 90 days for next entry to UA.
But it does not mean that you are only allowed to stay once within 180days without visa in UA.
So several visits without visa are still possible, assuming, you will not stay longer than 90 days in summary within 180 day period.
I am leaving on Sunday again to UA, previous entry/exit from UA was in August / September.
So I will test it the hard way.
Anyone know Sasha B? 18 years old, lives in Kiev, from Mariupol.
I am trying to find out as much as I can about her.
Tks,
Maverick1
Saunter,
I am thinking about moving in 08 also, ring me.
Reiner Otto
10-07-07, 02:21
Spanishboy 29,
I, German, entered UA in August, from Poland, and spent one day in Moldova, then came back to Odessa.
No problem at all entering UA again.
Otto,
If you read the posts first, you will see that all the fuss is about something that may happen later this month, October, not in August past.
It does not seem to be just RTFF that is a problem with many but also understand what is written!
All this is, if it does go into effect, is to make sure you spend no more than 90 days in Ukraine in a 180 day period if you come in visa-free.
If not, then get a multi-year multi-entry visa.
Spanishboy 29,
I, German, entered UA in August, from Poland, and spent one day in Moldova, then came back to Odessa.
No problem at all entering UA again.
I am Swiss and I was there in August and September and no problems either
Reiner Otto
10-09-07, 23:26
Looks like even the UA-officials are not happy or do not really understand the details of the new regulation, which is ALREADY ACTIVE SINCE END OF July! However, practically it is not applied: http://www.ua-now.com/Politik/279.html
This I have to confirm. Now I just did the 3. Entry to UA since July/August. And there will be one more next week, because I will leave for Moldova for a few days and then come back.
Obviously, only we Germans and Swiss are the brave guys.
Otto,
Oh, yes, you are such a brave one, it seems it is in your genes to invade Ukraine without any problems. Let me also add that I am Russian.
If you read my post with information directly from the American Embassy, you will see the following paragraph that I would ask you to read slowly and carefully and understand in full:
"4. A computer system for counting the 90 and 180 days under the new provisions will be in place at all ports of entry soon. Counting will start on the day of traveler's first entry into Ukraine after the Resolution came into effect. It is the responsibility of the traveler to make sure that they are in compliance with the provisions of Ukrainian immigration law."
Until that computer system is in place - and it is still not yet in place - then your crossing the borders in August, September and even today mean nothing. Once that system is in place - if it ever is in place - then your bravery may be more important when or if point 5 of the American Embassy's message comes into force:
"5. If traveler were to arrive at a Ukrainian port of entry and Ukrainian border authorities determine from the their records that traveler has used up their 90 days, it is possible that the Border Control officer will not permit traveler entry into Ukraine."
Again that is after the sytem is in place.
Now do you have any comments about the new system and that of border crossing?
Reiner Otto
10-11-07, 00:15
Nuke Boy:
Privet.
Because you are Russian, you might be able to read the German information about the practice of border control, which is in actual effect at the UA borders.
And because you are Russian, you know, too, that not all laws are really in force.
But, frankly speaking, I appreciate the uncertainty.
This puts some limits to the number of American hunters in UA.
Otto,
Tell me why I should know German? It seems to me that it should be that Germans should know Russian. Wasn't it the mandated second language in a large part of Germany for many years?
You are correct in one thing, laws in Ukraine are altogther uncertain and selectively enforced, if at all enforced. That is the way it has been in all manner of things and will continue to be so for a long time to come.
As for fewer Americans coming here, get real. They don't read so they are mostly blissfully unaware of most things such as local regulations and will come to Ukraine in any case.
I think all this is a maneuver of ukrainian government to put some pressure in order to help pass the proposition the Poles made to EU that people living in a range of 100 km from ukranian-EU borders within Ukraine will have the right to visit EU without visa or will get visa any time they want for a period of six months. If this is voted in EU council in December, I am sure ukrainian government will raise all entry limitations. So they do not put the regulation into action to wait for the result of EU answer to polish initiative.
If polish proposition passes, many ukrainian girls will flood the sex-starving european cities and maybe many mongers will get their girls easily visit them home.
Uke Boy,
Good points but I have a question for you, what if someone has two passports because of double nationality ?
I am half Ukrainian myself and this new regulation wouldn't affect me but I am wondering if this regulation can be circumvented by multi-national travelers ?
Thanks,
Evil Z
Otto,
Tell me why I should know German? It seems to me that it should be that Germans should know Russian. Wasn't it the mandated second language in a large part of Germany for many years?
You are correct in one thing, laws in Ukraine are altogther uncertain and selectively enforced, if at all enforced. That is the way it has been in all manner of things and will continue to be so for a long time to come.
As for fewer Americans coming here, get real. They don't read so they are mostly blissfully unaware of most things such as local regulations and will come to Ukraine in any case.Funny shit.
Street Sleuth
10-12-07, 09:39
Uke Boy,
Good points but I have a question for you, what if someone has two passports because of double nationality ?
I am half Ukrainian myself and this new regulation wouldn't affect me but I am wondering if this regulation can be circumvented by multi-national travelers ?
Thanks,
Evil Z
Evil Z,
I am in the same boat (dual passports). Would love to hear any thoughts for/against using this method to circumvent the rules...
Actually it has to do with WTO membership.
What you are suggesting has about zero chance of passing. If it does you will find everyone in the Ukrainian (those that are interested) living within 100km of the Polish border - even if they actually live in Lugansk.
Sure the Ukrainian government would like to export some of it workers for they cash they send back. But on the other hand the government is offering serious cash to help get population growth back into a positive percentage.
Personally I think it's detrimental to a county's long term health to import cheap labor. Can you think of a country where things are actually better for the native workforce - USA, Germany, England, etc. All it benefits are some politicians and business people and to a lesser extent the exploited foreign worker. On the other hand, importing legal foreign workers who are paid the same as native workers is just spiffy.
From what I understand Ukrainian girls can travel to most European countries with little difficulty. All they need is an invite letter to get the proper paper work to travel.
I think all this is a maneuver of ukrainian government to put some pressure in order to help pass the proposition the Poles made to EU that
It is not at all easy for ukrainian girls to get visa for EU countries. And almost impossible for the young ones because the authorities consider them as intending to travel for prostitution. That is why they refuse visa to young girls while they give it more easily to older women.
To travel to an EU country an ukrainian girl has to bring a lot of documents. Often something is missing. She needs an invitation of a person who resides in the country she wants to visit. This person has to send some translated documents, among them a recent tax declare and an affirmation that he has not been legaly persecuted. In this way the girl can see how much money the inviting person makes. The authorities can see it as well.
So even with all these documents and papers they have the right to reject the application for visa if they decide so after the interview eith the girl. This means that often a sort of bribery is needed as well.
The other way is through expensive travel agencies which take care for the visa. One has to trust the girl and send her 500-1000$ to try to get a ticket and visa from travel agency. Of course the danger of scamming in this case is great.
EU needs ukrainian workers. One million Poles have emigrated to UK and now there are lacks in certain fields in Poland. They need to recruit more Belarus and ukrainian workers to fill in the gap. That is why they proposed the regulation for people living 100 km inside the borderline.
Maybe EU will consent if ukrainian governement gets run by more european oriented politicians like Timoshenko who is heavily supported in the west part of Ukraine.
Orange Leo
10-12-07, 20:49
Two times I have invite a Ukraine girl. No problem in getting a visa at all.
i would like to many westerners travelling to the ukraine of a common scam. custom officers at borispel airport have become very corrupt. they run the following scam: an officer would ask you to show all your cash money to make sure that you have declared any amount over $3000. he will then inspect the money and tell you that it is counterfeit and that he has to confirep001e the money and send it to court. you will then have to attend court. interestlingly, they do this scam on your way out of the ukraine because you will have no way of following up on the issue.
if you are lucky, you will get another officer approach you and tell you that they can forget about this issue if you give them a "present. "
what a corrupt country. it has happened to me this sept. (2007) and to a friend of mine a week earlier (it was unknown to me when i got ripped off).
the other scam is that police in kiev, if they see you walking alone at night, they will approach you and claim they saw you with a prostitute and that you have to go to jail. you will end up giving them a "little present. " it is the term they usually use.
all together, i will not go back to the ukraine as a monger because the girls attitide has gotten worth than westerner women. at least western women have got the careers and good jobs. i wonder what ukrainian women have to offer for such a shitty attitude.
Hecker, I know quite a few Ukrainian girls who have traveled easily to Italy, Spain and France. It only sounds difficult to get the proper paperwork but in reality it isn't.
Ah yes, the influx of cheap immigrant labor has certainly done great things for Germany, England and France. I think it's funny now that all the Polish Plumbers have gone to England the Poles need Ukrainian plumbers. :) Exploitation of immigrant labor and the resulting suffering of your own middle class really doesn't sound like a viable long term economic solution. If the EU needs a larger labor force then they currently have then someone needs to explain the double digit unemployment in France and Germany to me. It's the greedy and shortsightedness of political and business leaders that have cause the almost untenable social-economic situation in those three countries. It will be interesting to see who implodes first, the EU or the US. My money is on the EU and their much more developed and burdensome social welfare programs.
I often hear a debate among Ukrainians about whether they should join the EU or not, but unless I am reading all the signs wrong it would seem the EU wants absolutely nothing to do with the Ukraine.
It can be very difficult for low to medium income girls to get Visas to certain shengen countries. This is true, though there are always exceptions.
Evil Z
I don't consider whomever the girls is visiting having to pay a 250uah 'paperwork fee' as difficult.
If I could get the paperwork done for a girl to come visit the US for 250uah I would be a very happy guy.
Jdaba, interesting and oddly enough I had a girl sitting just outside of passport control - not customs which is the area on the first floor ask me how much money I was leaving with. I had about $60 and 150uah on me, I think I told her I had $60 on me, that was the end of the conversation. It all seemed very odd at the time, generally customs never bothers me about anything maybe it was part of the scam you mentioned. Although I maybe wrong I am fairly sure you are not allowed to leave the country with any uah at all.
Being American I generally never carry any paper money on me over $100. I used to always carry a few thousand uah whenever I was in Kiev but even that is not needed anymore. Just about every upscale place takes CC's and you can't walk 3 meters without bumping into an attractive girl in Kiev or a ATM.
As far as the police, I had the police drive by and give me a quick glance at 5am in May 2005, that was the only interaction I've had with the police in the Ukraine.
Unfortunately the Ukraine can be very racist at time. I'm guessing you are a non white. Problems like the ones you mentioned happen to my Arab friends all the time.
Cruiser,
Last I looked, you can leave Ukraine with $3,000 and 3,000 grivna as a foreigner without a prior incoming customs declaration for more than that dollar amount. I seriously doubt anyone, foreigner or local, who would leave with such a grivna amount.
I usually take out about 200-300 grivna to use with taxi drivers (if my regular driver cannot make it) and other immediate needs on arrival at home.
I agree with you on one point. Who in their right mind carries cash when there are so many ATMs not just here but everywhere. I normally travel with no more than $300 and about 200 Euros. More than enough for any reason.
I also have been stopped a number of times asking about the cash issue when I exit the escalator just at passport control. I answer truthfully which almost always is the above amounts and they move on to the next possible victim. I have noticed that some people they take away for further checking in another room and these so far were all white guys.
We'll pick a better place next time for lunch than Friday's. I look forward to it.
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