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Bez Bezarra
07-11-09, 14:26
She's closer to 33 then 23, right?
Zhanna, my mamachka, brought MT to me in September 2002, she found her through her contacts in the Kyiv suburbs, well, not suburbs like in USA, but the smaller dirt poor villages, another scruffy teenager with no future looking for her ticket out of the hopelessness and poverty of her village and up to the bright lights and big city in the center.
Like all her other waifs, Zhanna knew MT's future would have meant getting knocked up by some vodka soaked villager and stuck with a baby well before she was ever 18, unless she brought her to her home for wayward money starved girls, and into her escort business, so she trained her, dressed her up like a tart, and started bringing her to her clients.
Three weeks after that, I arrived for my 6th Ukrainian adventure, and as always, I called Zhanna as soon as I got to my flat and unpacked, and Zhanna brought MT over.
"Hair ees novy dyevooshka, weddy bootifool, da?" That was when I met her.
A little while later, I gave MT a fingerstick HIV antibody blood test, which she was so excited to have, as she really thought that nobody she would ever meet as a wh0re would show any compassion to her, having been "broken in" by only cold-hearted russian businessmen and a few local mafia guys that Zhanna was required to provide free service to as part of her "protection" payments, that MT actually cried tears of happiness. I've given ho's HIV tests before, but none of them ever cried, that's why I remember that. I figured it would be a good idea for her, since she a a nasty bruise on her thigh from being grabbed and roughed up, plus the tell tale scab on her spine from being rubbed raw on the carpet or the ground, the famous "mark" of the Black Saturday break-the-new-girl-in session or "train", when they get fucked by anywhere from 5 to 10 drunk guys one after the other, as their initiation rights to formally enter the prostitution business with a "proper" introduction.
She was too uncomfortable to talk about what she had gone through getting "broken in", but she did say that was why she was thrilled to see her HIV test come back negative, as she had been worrying about it, and never really thought she would have a chance to get tested, being kept too busy by Zhanna.
This also made her very grateful, so she gave me two extra free hours with as much as I could handle.
So based on what MT and Zhanna told me, that would put her age at 23 years in 2009. After her "career", she probably looks like she's 33, or maybe even 43!
Bez,
Interesting report on ancient history as calculated in monger years. I can say for certain that I followed you into MT's young orifices (all of them!) by a few weeks, namely in October of 2002. Three hours was more than enough, I do recall walking out very drained but very happy.
I guess we both used Zhanna's services although I just called the agency when someone seemed intriguing enough to taste.
The issue for today is what the results of that HIV test will be if you have the opportunity to give it to her today, not to mention any STD test!
Bez Bezarra
07-11-09, 22:35
Bez,
I guess we both used Zhanna
I called the agency when someone seemed intriguing enough to taste.
Actually, the issue today is anything but MT, any monger that would seriously consider ANY kind of sex with her might as well just go directly to the CDC Level 9 lethal biohazard vault and inoculate himself with Ebola, Plague, and flesh eating MRSA.
Only cousin It/Unravel has his never-ending obsession with her, that he has to continue posting over and over again and again the same tired bullshit about her at least once every month, probably since she was the high point of his life, and his fascination with his feeling of brotherhood with all the other members who gave her their throbbing member. Sadly, it makes him feel like he has something in common with guys like Doc Skank and you, as he is unable to realize MT is the ONLY thing he will EVER have in common with the rest of us, and considering her infinite degree of utter degrading trashiness, this commonality is quite fitting.
The real issue is Zhanna, (well, her agency), had an advertisement in the Kyiv Post that was different from all the others, and that's the reason why I met her in the first place, back in May 2000. Her ads ran, and were the same, until around 2004, when she vanished.
No doubt she was the all time greatest mamachka, based on her ample supply of the most intriguing dyevs, so if we're talking about the same woman, and the same agency, how did you find her, and what do you remember about her or her best dyevs? Also, do you remember the $$ split between her and the girls?
Let's compare notes and see if its the same mamachka? It sounded like you were saying that you used to go to her flat, where she had her dyevs, to choose. That reminds me of something else unique about her, when she would bring over two or three at a time, how she would get me to choose one. Just very special, fucking hell, I've really missed her. Kyiv has never been the same since she left.
Looks like the financial crisis and recession are going to keep the Eastern European times going a bit longer. Ukraine's economy is expected to sink back to 2003-2004 levels by next year. Anyone have any anecdotes of this? Prostitution should crash in price since supply increases (financially desperate women) and demand decreases (no cash for hookers). But this should be affecting sponsorships as well. So far it doesn't seem like things have changed too drastically besides the exchange rate being better.
Bez Bezarra
07-19-09, 00:15
Hey Bez,
Cruiser has officially banished me, so I can no longer post anything here. You will have to get your info from him.
I'm also not returning to monger in Ukraine, again because Cruiser has proved that I'm not worthy to follow him.
In fact, I'm debating whether I should just go straight to Denmark and have a sex change operation, and become a babushka and sell sunflower seeds at the train station in Grozny.
Grozny is the one city I know that Cruiser will allow me access without shaming me into acknowledging that I am not worthy to get a hand job from a tractor factory dispatcher.
He's also considering opening up the Aral Sea for me, if I agree to only have sex with deformed 7 eyed pelicans with damaged DNA from the VX Silent Night gas warfare factories.
Sevastopol1
07-21-09, 17:29
Looks like the financial crisis and recession are going to keep the Eastern European times going a bit longer. Ukraine's economy is expected to sink back to 2003-2004 levels by next year. Anyone have any anecdotes of this? Prostitution should crash in price since supply increases (financially desperate women) and demand decreases (no cash for hookers). But this should be affecting sponsorships as well. So far it doesn't seem like things have changed too drastically besides the exchange rate being better.
most countries yep, bet here as demand decreases push up the price to compensate, applies to all consumer articles (stange but true)!
I noticed p4p prices have dropped to were $150-200/night is viable again and when I was there in April/May the exchange rate was 8 to 1, so even better.
I love you Bez, I never banished you. Just your couches.
Bez Bezarra
07-23-09, 03:33
Whatever....
Just wondering from our boots on the ground, where are the girls hanging out at now that the Casino is shut down?
Lostinkiev
08-03-09, 08:50
Hi Everyone and especially to those of you who have been helping me with my stupid questions. (I didn't know what sponsorship meant!)
My situation is that I am at the end of a 10 year relationship here in Kiev.
I first came here in 1999. I have lived here since 2002.
But I never have experienced the city as a single man.
So instead of floundering around for months, I thought I would try and benefit from the experience of some of the members here.
I am looking for a forum member, that lives here or will be visiting here, that is willing to help a complete newbie navigate the scene here in Kiev.
It would be great to meet for drinks, and of course, I am buying.
I am an American from Los Angeles, California.
Thanks a lot!
Wow Bez, you could cut yourself on that girls hip bone.
Lennox, try River Palace. The casino shut down, not the disco. Don't you guys RTFF?
Lennox, try River Palace. The casino shut down, not the disco. Don't you guys RTFF?
Thanks Cruiser LOL. Sorry about that, I was confused, I've not yet made it there and I didn't know there was a disco still in RP. I read posts where disco were mentioned and I thought they meant discos around the city. Thanks, I'm very pleased to hear it's not gone :-)
Hopefully I finally can go this Fall to Ukraine. I haven't been able to do many trips in last year due to economy but I think the reward is worth the time and cost.
Yeah well make that shes been diced as well.
Hi guys,
Planning to have another visit to Kiev next month and just wondering if anyone has heard about http://www.kievdreamnights.com ?
My last trip was for business so didn't have much time for mongering other than RP and GIA. So this time I've decided to organise some serious mongering for 3 days in Kiev and thinking of using the service of this mob to organise the whole package.
I've tried to search the forum but couldn't find anything about this website.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Deemul
Dee, you want to do some serious monger? If you want to use that brokering service then money obviously isn't an issue to you. Go to RP, go to Arena, go to Decadence. Go to the various apartment/brothels. All the information is in the forum. That's it! Have a good trip.
Thanks for your advice Cruiser. The reason I'm thinking of using them is that I have very limited russian speaking ability, as I only know a few phrases, and plus I don't want to worry about arranging everything.
And money is important for me as I don't want to ruin the punting/mongering scene in Ukraine.
Thnks,
Deemul
Another Guy
08-10-09, 16:21
Hi guys,
Planning to have another visit to Kiev next month and just wondering if anyone has heard about http://www.kievdreamnights.com ?
My last trip was for business so didn't have much time for mongering other than RP and GIA. So this time I've decided to organise some serious mongering for 3 days in Kiev and thinking of using the service of this mob to organise the whole package.
I've tried to search the forum but couldn't find anything about this website.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
DeemulHi Deemul,
I made use of Kiev Dream nights a couple years ago and agree that if money is not an issue then by all means go for it. You get some good advice, they takes you around, translate, etc. Only downside as I saw it at the time was that each night that was included on an average lasted only about 3 hours. For me I'd rather see it was longer.
You might as well go by your own.(if not possible to find a local mongerer to team up with for a night). RP, Arena have already been mentioned, but also some easy-to-find strip clubs (Rio for example), various massage places are not a problem at all on your own, and English is normally not a problem there. Private apartments are more difficult without some guidance. But far from impossible. (I was myself able to discover several privates without assistance). Personally I don't like those places that much though. Its also a great deal of hit and miss, and quite often English won't help you there.
Good thing about KDN is they will taylor according to your wishes.
Also good to know, from some strip clubs you can take a girl home if she agrees, at some others this is not really possible. Make sure the KDN guys knows which is which, as with them I only visited one club. Hooking up with a girl at a strip club is by the way also often matter of "money not being an issue", but for me at least it was the most fun! But this was when I was out on my own, not with KDN.
Good luck!
Hi Deemul,
I would say go for it! I've often thought of providing a similar service! Check it out and post a report!!
Good luck!
Hi guys,
Planning to have another visit to Kiev next month and just wondering if anyone has heard about http://www.kievdreamnights.com ?
My last trip was for business so didn't have much time for mongering other than RP and GIA. So this time I've decided to organise some serious mongering for 3 days in Kiev and thinking of using the service of this mob to organise the whole package.
I've tried to search the forum but couldn't find anything about this website.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Deemul
And money is important for me as I don't want to ruin the punting/mongering scene in Ukraine.
If money is important to you, why would you want to use these guys just to show you around as I read it? If they do not do the actual "arrangement" for the lady to come to you or for you to come to her, and they just take you to RP or to Shooters, those are things you can do for yourself and not pay one extra kopek for what would be a rip-off.
Besides, even if you don't have an entirely satisfactory experience on your own with a lady at a private apartment, it's a lot better to have tried it and not paid what may be exorbitant monies for someone to possibly show you the same place and the same lady!
I suspect if you RTFF and go to the usual places, it will be the same thing you could get as with this outfit but all for free. Your success or failure rate will be exactly the same, with or without them but without them, no extra cash outlay.
Unless you have a particular vice or kink that you can't find here and they can deliver, I suggest you stay away from them and other such operations. An English-speaking cab driver is a cheaper alternative and could be just as productive.
As an afterthought comment, I thought I should add that "service" industries, no matter what kind, just do not exist here and are not understood here as they are in the rest of the world. The only service you will get is being screwed out of your money. It is the only thing the locals really know how to do in any "service" business. Therefore anyone who says they will help you and show you the scene is just after any and all monies you have and will laugh about your stupidity as he sees it after you leave.
Hey, Another, nice post, this is what the forum is all about.
What I do in each city I travel to, is to find a cab driver with some basic english as a mininmum requirement, for ease of travel past midnight.
Now a have a complete list of such drivers in many corners of the world, their help and knowledge needless to say, was very useful, and helped me a lot by not being ripped off, when leaveing clubs at night. Any one knows such a cab driver in kiev, or some kiev man with a private car, who does some moonlighting at night, who is a bit honest and straightforward, and with some basic english?
Many thanks
Explorer69
08-11-09, 18:32
Also good to know, from some strip clubs you can take a girl home if she agrees, at some others this is not really possible. Make sure the KDN guys knows which is which, as with them I only visited one club. Hooking up with a girl at a strip club is by the way also often matter of "money not being an issue", but for me at least it was the most fun! But this was when I was out on my own, not with KDN.
Good luck!Which strips clubs provide take out? I also like that way, but I have only experience from Millenium and a club called Mexico that was closed a couple of years ago.
Try Rio Strip Club, Bogdan Khmelnytskoho 30/10, it does allow take out but it is not cheap, from $300 for about 1.5 hours and up depending on your negotiating skills.
The up side is the very high quality attractiveness of many of the ladies.
Thanks heaps guys for all the tips and advices. Unfortunately, my trip has been postponed till November but I will definitely report back here.
Anyway, sent an e-mail to KievDreamNights through their website a few days ago and still get no replies so far; that's bad customer service so they wouldn't get any businesses from me.
Cheers,
Deemul
Explorer69
08-12-09, 17:16
Try Rio Strip Club, Bogdan Khmelnytskoho 30/10, it does allow take out but it is not cheap, from $300 for about 1.5 hours and up depending on your negotiating skills.
The up side is the very high quality attractiveness of many of the ladies.Thanks a lot, even if it is expensive I sometimes enjoy this. You can have a good look at girls and talk to them, get a feeling how she is. Do you know the price for all night?
I've never not had a fantastic time with takeout from Rio, which I cannot say about RP. Excellent drink service, although I never was able to land one of the hot little waitresses. Give the doorman 20 grivnas or so and the 'reserved' booths open right up. Then you can assess the girls as they rotate through each song before choosing one. Although they can decide if they want to go home with you, being polite and smiling seems to work wonders.
I thought the takeout was closer to $200, not $300, but I could be wrong. This was also in the days of 4-5 to 1 exchange rates with the us dollar.
Another Guy
08-12-09, 18:11
Hey, Another, nice post, this is what the forum is all about.OK. Just to let you know, I don't have any hard feelings about our exchange on the other thread, and I sincerely hope nobody else have them either... We may have our differences, but we are here on this forum, so I gather we must have something in common.
Another Guy
08-12-09, 18:25
Which strips clubs provide take out? I also like that way, but I have only experience from Millenium and a club called Mexico that was closed a couple of years ago.I only have experience from Millenium and Rio as far as take-outs are possible. At the various Rhino clubs, I think take-outs are not really possible. At Star Rhino for example girls ask a lot for private dancing but if you ask for take-out she just walks away. Others may have different experience.? On the upside of Star Rhino is that they stripped fully nude and there were really LOTS of hot eye candy. I was also at the Red Lion on Kreschatic. Lots of hot ladies and table dancing but I doubt take-outs, even though I never asked.
At Rio, the girls were hot student types. (Uke Boy already gave you the address. Hope we speak about the same place, the one I mean was not far from the university) The girl at Rio who decided to go home with me for $300 said to me that they really were not supposed to go out with clients. So its not really correct to say that the "club allows" take-outs, however it is possible. Back then, Rio was a casino with a strip bar (3 poles simultaneously) and also go-go dancers upstairs. I don't know how it is now, with casinos being outlawed in Ukraine. Anyone who can write an update on that club would be much appreciated.
Millenium club at the Dnipro Hotel on Europeisky ploschad. Well, that's a story of its own. Maybe just "WOW" would summarize it all! I don't know how you see it, but I didn't see one single girl I would characterize below 9, and their dancing was just mind-blowing (even though they only stripped topless). Take-outs were abundant, and the number of girls dancing gradually reduced. I spent about 3 1/2 hours there, from about 9.30 pm, and finally denied a take-out at $600 for 2 hrs or $800 for rest of night. As I walked out to the European square outside, I ran into several waiting taxis, whom I kindly asked for a place for "dyevushky" (how horny can you get after 3 hrs at Millenium? ). They pointed back at the Millenium, but I just shook my head and said "dorogaya". They quickly agreed it was indeed expensive, and after some attempts to communicate, we concluded that I need English-speaking assistance (they spoke hardly English and my Russian is limited). So they asked a young lady to step out of the back of one of the taxis. First I thought: good here's somebody who can translate for me. But then I got the idea: luckily she did not ONLY speak acceptable English. It turned out she was happily available for the rest of the night at $300. I did not negotiate. (Why not: late at night, couple of beers, just happy to hit lucky, etc).
She said her name was Oksana and I would not mind to meet her again. She was in her early 20ies and originally from Moscow but lived in Kiev for about 5 years. I sometimes think about her and wonder how she is. She was very curious and loud in a happy kind of way. But when we walked from the taxi to my apartment, she kind of looked worried for a sec and asked: there are not any other guys at the apartment? I'm thinking life as a prostitute is not always so nice. That's basically why I like the most to go with girls from strip clubs, semi-pros and student girls who do it on the side.
To get back to your question, I can in addition say that I have "only" been to Kiev three times, so I presume several forum members have much more knowledge than me on Kiev providers, and possibly also on which clubs allow take-outs and which do not. One thing I did was that I went to a department store and bought a street map in English. It also had description of tourist attractions. One section covered erotic clubs, strip clubs etc. That's how I found several of the places. But some of them, like Rio for example, were very conspicuously advertised by neon signs (and posters of half-nude women) on the street. You can't miss them just walking up and down the main streets in Kiev center area.
In my experience many of the strip clubs were based on casinos. And once again, since casinos are now outlawed in Ukraine, it would be interesting to hear current details on the various clubs. (Although I've understood from the forum that River Palace is basically "business as usual", except the casino).
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Explorer69
08-13-09, 17:04
I've never not had a fantastic time with takeout from Rio, which I cannot say about RP. Excellent drink service, although I never was able to land one of the hot little waitresses. Give the doorman 20 grivnas or so and the 'reserved' booths open right up. Then you can assess the girls as they rotate through each song before choosing one. Although they can decide if they want to go home with you, being polite and smiling seems to work wonders. I thought the takeout was closer to $200, not $300, but I could be wrong. This was also in the days of 4-5 to 1 exchange rates with the us dollar.Thanks a lot for all this information guys, I will try out Rio next time.
I am right now for one week in Odessa and have a fantastic time. Contrary to what most others say and experience, I always had a very good time in Odessa. I will report later.
Any plans on making it back to Kyiv, Brandon? I had a great time in April/May.
I thought the takeout was closer to $200, not $300, but I could be wrong. This was also in the days of 4-5 to 1 exchange rates with the us dollar.
Brandon, correct.
When the exchange rate was at 5 your $200 was spot on. When it went to 8, prices went for almost everything went up as well, including the strip bar take out service. Those prices have not come down since the clubs now need this additional money with the loss of gambling income.
The indie pros and salons also for a short time raised their prices but soon dropped them when the locals voted against the increase by voting with their closed wallets. It is these prices that have dropped to what are now near-acceptable levels, namely lots of $50/hour ladies and not the ridiculous $100 norm that existed not too long ago.
Brandon, correct.
When the exchange rate was at 5 your $200 was spot on. When it went to 8, prices went for almost everything went up as well, including the strip bar take out service. Those prices have not come down since the clubs now need this additional money with the loss of gambling income.
The indie pros and salons also for a short time raised their prices but soon dropped them when the locals voted against the increase by voting with their closed wallets. It is these prices that have dropped to what are now near-acceptable levels, namely lots of $50/hour ladies and not the ridiculous $100 norm that existed not too long ago.Still doing a lot of reseach on the kiev scene and discover something new, what do you men here by salons? Are they sauna clubs places or brothels?
Can you recommend any such salons in the centre of kiev, as I rather not travel to indie private apartments.
And can you actually get st for $50 in these salons?
Many thanks
[QUOTE=Jojosun]Still doing a lot of reseach on the kiev scene.../QUOTE]
Read the newly posted report from Borat in the Kiev thread.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=917492&postcount=5379
and do exactly as he writes.
Do really RTFF. It's all here.
Do you also want us all to change your nappy?
Rio used to be $200, then it went to $300 before the crisis. I have no idea what the pricing is currently. I haven't been there since the winter of 2008.
Any plans on making it back to Kyiv, Brandon? I had a great time in April/May.
Sadly, my previous employer kicked me to the curb, and my current job is 0% travel. If I go, it would have to be self-financed, unless of course a wealthy ISG benefactor lends a hand. :)
[QUOTE=Jojosun]Still doing a lot of reseach on the kiev scene.../QUOTE]Read the newly posted report from Borat in the Kiev thread.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=917492&postcount=5379
and do exactly as he writes.
Do really RTFF. It's all here.
Do you also want us all to change your nappy?Don't be so huffy , posted before borat's great reports appeared ,otherwise i wouldn't have asked .
I have my own baby sitter mate.
AColonizer
09-13-09, 17:29
According to your experiences, at the end, how much is one hour oral-vaginal-anal (better if swallow oral)?
DoctorOral
09-14-09, 08:50
No. I do not mean sex games this time.
Guys, where do you buy your caviar and at what actual price? I use the guy at besarabskmarket at the east entrance. But I never know if this is reasobable and fair. But then again, what is.
No. I do not mean sex games this time.
Guys, where do you buy your caviar and at what actual price? I use the guy at besarabskmarket at the east entrance. But I never know if this is reasobable and fair. But then again, what is.A little good news bad news for you on this question. The bad news is that you are definitely overpaying for anything you buy at Besarabska Rynok, from caviar to anything and everything else. Even if you are good at haggling it will still be too much money. The good news with respect to caviar is that it is probably safe to buy and safe to eat, no small matter when it comes to fish eggs. They do not want foreigners getting sick from the food and then ruining this great profit making venture.
As for me, I usually buy mine from the local supermarket...knock wood, so far, so good. And definitely cheaper than Besarabska.
I've been told that "Noblesse", a luxury watches ukrainian retail network (some 15 stores in Kiev) made currently clearance proposals with up to 60% discount on brands like IWC, Audemars Piguet, Cvstos (my brand of interest) and some others.
This only can justify the trip. Has anyone already dealed with them ?
http://www.noblesse.com.ua/en/
Thanks for any feedback.
I have heard that the Casinos there have been closed in order to protect the money of the local people during the finance crisis, is this News correct? Please advise, because maybe a chance with the ladies working in these places and now without job / money?
Yes this is correct. Both Russian and Ukraine passed the law of closing all casinos.
In Russia all casinos must be closed by January 1st next year exep few in far east. In Ukraine is the same most probably.
I have heard that the Casinos there have been closed in order to protect the money of the local people during the finance crisis, is this News correct? Please advise, because maybe a chance with the ladies working in these places and now without job / money?
All casinos closed in Ukraine as of July 1st mainly because of a fire in a slot arcade in May which killed 10 people. The government seized the opportunity to close down all gambling in Ukraine thereby bringing the country in line with Putin's Russia who also closed down everything as of July 1st.
As for there being a chance with the ladies, the fact that they have lost their jobs does not guarantee the female casino workers will turn to prostitution.
If you want to exploit other peoples desperation in order to get laid perhaps you should take your fist full of dollars to Somalia.
Just to add. A girl I know in Moscow was working at a casino table.
The casino got closed but the owners started a illegal one somewhere around Moscow. Giving direction to their best clients etc. Most workers were invited to work there if they want. My friend accepted the offer and owners doubled her previous salary as compensation for possible arrest etc. Guess this will be the situation in Ukraine also. So the idea of former female casinos turning into prostitutes are not likely.
Sevastopol1
09-18-09, 08:21
Yes this is correct. Both Russian and Ukraine passed the law of closing all casinos.
In Russia all casinos must be closed by January 1st next year exep few in far east. In Ukraine is the same most probably.
The casinos in Yalta are operating as normal, in Sevastopol minimum stakes have been increased to discourage (I would assume) the smaller punters!
Sev
The casinos in Yalta are operating as normal, in Sevastopol minimum stakes have been increased to discourage (I would assume) the smaller punters!
Sev
The entire situation with regards to the closure of casinos in Ukraine is a complete fiasco. Many of the regions are continuing to operate with impunity mainly because the local mayor/chief of police etc is receiving a 'retainer'. In the capital Kiev some of the former licensed casinos are still in business, they text their customers inviting them to come and gamble. This is mainly done undercover, because as far as I know none of them have their outside signage switched on. It is rumoured that several of these casinos have shareholders who are Deputies, the same Deputies who voted for all the casinos to close ! Only in Ukraine.
Bez Bezarra
09-18-09, 16:28
Only in Ukraine, except that Krim is its own autonomous Respublik, and not necessarily subject to any of Kiev's laws.
Only in Ukraine, except that Krim is its own autonomous Respublik, and not necessarily subject to any of Kiev's laws.
When the closing down of all gambling was first announced it was supposed to be throughout the whole of Ukraine. The Government announced that after 3 months ie: the end of September, they would then designate certain zones in the country where legal gambling could take place. The Crimea was rumoured to be top of the list for a designated gaming zone due to the obvious reason that it is a tourist destination. However as of now there has been no announcement from the Government as to where these zones will be, and with the Presidential elections coming in January it is unlikely they will concern themselves with any other matters until then.
When government in Ukraine announced closing of casinos the owners demanded additional time to find alternative destinations for their business.
In options were Balkan states, greek islands, winter resorts in Europe but hardly that something will come out of it.
With presidental elections coming and Yanukovich as preffered winner the rumor is those designates zones will be there where Party of regions has strong support, i.e. East Ukraine. But after all it's Ukraine and maybe there will be a new law ordering one casino on each 10 000 people. And who knows maybe prostitution will be legalized he he.
When government in Ukraine announced closing of casinos the owners demanded additional time to find alternative destinations for their business.
In options were Balkan states, greek islands, winter resorts in Europe but hardly that something will come out of it.
With presidental elections coming and Yanukovich as preffered winner the rumor is those designates zones will be there where Party of regions has strong support, i.e. East Ukraine. But after all it's Ukraine and maybe there will be a new law ordering one casino on each 10 000 people. And who knows maybe prostitution will be legalized he he.From what I understand it was the PoR and Yulia who made the pushed to close the casinos; their argument, too many people wasting money and not paying their credits. Yush wanted the casinos to remain open, his argument, nearly 4, 000 people working the casinos will be out of work, as it so happened, Yulia and Yan won out. I understand this is Ukraine and all, but it wouldn't be logical to have the East as a designated zone for casinos to re- open.
I live in the east, and all casinos in my city have closed, a few may be operating on a covert manner, but I don't know one way or another, nor do I care, I didn't patronize them. Prostitution legalized, never, too many officials; elected and otherwise, would lose out on a whole lot of bribe money.
From what I understand it was the PoR and Yulia who made the pushed to close the casinos; their argument, too many people wasting money and not paying their credits. Yush wanted the casinos to remain open, his argument, nearly 4, 000 people working the casinos will be out of work, as it so happened, Yulia and Yan won out. I understand this is Ukraine and all, but it wouldn't be logical to have the East as a designated zone for casinos to re- open.
I live in the east, and all casinos in my city have closed, a few may be operating on a covert manner, but I don't know one way or another, nor do I care, I didn't patronize them. Prostitution legalized, never, too many officials; elected and otherwise, would lose out on a whole lot of bribe money.
At the time the casinos closed the figure of people being made redundant as quoted by the pro gaming lobby was put at 300,000. This figure included all the ancillary businesses that supplied the industry and also took into account the thousands of slot machine arcades spread all over the country. People from within the gaming industry estimate that a more realistic total figure would be around 100,000. Whatever the true figure might be it was a staggering decision by the government to put so many people out of work in the middle of an economic crisis when they faced little prospect of finding alternative employment. In addition to this they lost the 400,000 Euro license fee paid by each casino and all the taxes for the tens of thousands of slot machines throughout Ukraine.
Many of those who were involved in gaming believe Julia came under pressure from Putin who did not want to see all that Russian money pouring into Kiev after the Russian casinos closed down from July 1st. In return he will be very supportive in the coming presidential elections.
Has anyone seen or heard about this ukrainian "sand animator" video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=518XP8prwZo&feature=fvst
It's pretty remarkable artistry. Worth the 8 minutes to watch.
.. Yulia and Yan won out ..
I can't imagine a more unlikely pair getting together to make a law. There's more to this than meets the eye, as ever with Ukraine.
HunterDave
09-23-09, 05:26
Day 2 Kiev June Trip (Part I)
Went back to Double Coffee and checked out the many lovely women passing by. Had my camera and many smiled for me and let me take their pictures. Bought that new Nikon advertised by Ashton Kucher for scoping and clicking on women. Called several sites, still no Mila back from her home town, so decided to try Angelina. My second selection from top-models and again the girl in the photo showed up. Guess I was pretty lucky having read other mongers experiences on this forum. She was very slender, B cups, had a great smile and lovely blue eyes. After coming in and getting acquainted, we proceeded to get cozy with her letting me undress her, she loved DFK, and loved being licked all over. After the requisite shower we had a great romp time in the bed. She was the best of my first three since she was a real moaner. She had those bedroom eyes and truly believed in giving the true GFE experience. Thank goodness the apartment had an AC in the room because things got so hot we were dripping on the sheets from pure heat. I think I liked her as one of the best because she was a real screamer, really go into the sex and the pleasing and pretty much wanted to drain me of my bodily fluids. I just love it when you get a women moaning and losing it bed and screaming "DA, DA DA" over and over. After I finally came in missionary with her ankles wrapped around my ears, and I rolled over to catch my breath and cool off near the AC, she pounced back on me and proceeded to work my dick hard for round two. I told her I was older than her and needed a few minutes plus to cool down but since her English was poor she proceeded to get me hard in few minutes. Round two was just as good as round one but took quite a bit longer for me to come. By now I was spent and the sheets were drenched. While I lay there she went and brought a coke she had brought with her and we shared it. We took a shower together and she cleaned me up as I stood there and touched her body. She was very sensual and careful with the exhausted twins. She did let me take a few pictures of her which I will post in the photo gallery as soon as I can figure how to resize. Cost was 800 grivna, (including taxi), but well worth the money. Got her number personal cell but did not call her back since I wanted to sample as much as I could for the four plus day visit. Kept this promise thru the trip, deviating only once. This was my first time to try out the video on the camera, damn thing only records for 25 minutes, but the first 25 minutes truly capture the moments. Still trying to figure how to extend it for the full session but still have some memories.
Angelina
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=2435
After resting about an hour, I was ready for a massage. I did some research (apartment had wi-fi) and found a massage parlor near the apartment. In fact it was only a block away, Rakuna Massage parlor (you enter thru a courtyard.) Rakuena Salon044-568-29-471100-01006B Liuterans'ka Street, Apt 40 (entry by yard)
063-568-29-47 rakuenaatukr.net
I called to see what girls were available, the blonde I wanted worked in their second salon up the road, but learned real quick, that street names are either in Cyrillic or nonexistent. My second choice was scheduled to be in so I made an appointment. I arrived and decided to get the works or combo of several different massages. I think for a 90 minute session (I think 500-600 grivna). They advertise no intercourse but you will get about everything else up to that. They sit you down, and parade all the girls in front of you and you get to take your pick. There was one tall gorgeous (about 6' tall) brunette which I almost selected but in the end was not the one I had been looking for. She was a light haired brunette with beautiful blue eyes and a gorgeous face (easily a 8 or 9 in any book). She escorted me to the massage room had be get naked and took me to the shower to clean up before the massage. She initially wore a small robe, but when we went back the room she disrobed and just had a thong on. The massage (combo) was excellent, just what I needed. After working over your entire body which was fantastic she moved to the massage where she is fully naked and puts lotion all over your body and she then proceeds to rub herself all over your body, very sensual. Now although I had just come a few hours earlier got my rocks off twice, this girl moves had me at attention in short order. She was an excellent masseuse but her body was perfect, zero body fat, nice C cups to touch and suck on, and beautiful shaved pussy which she let me play with, but at intercourse this is where she stopped me. She did a great job massaging the family jewels and delicately and gave an excellent hand job. She had to work very hard to finally get me to come since I had had a full day already, but her sheer determination finally got the best of me. I tried to get her number and to have her meet me outside her job, but they must be pretty hard on any women that try to work their own action. I did give her my number but she did not call. Probably out of fear or repercussions from management. She was a stunning beauty, with an outstanding body, just wish she would have let me take her home and see how much she loved sex. Only in my dreams. I would highly recommend her to any monger. I will see her again my next trip. The massage was outstanding and as adverstised got what they promoted. To be that close to her pussy and that body but knowing it is not going to be completely yours is quite a turn-on but a bit devastating at the same time. A great first Kiev massage.
That night I had plans to visit the infamous RP but not till after midnight. I was up for another round of strange, and since it was mid-evening and since I was 2 for2 with top-models, decided to try my luck again. This time I selected another blonde (see where this is going-seem to have an affinity for blondes). She was a bit late but no problem finding the apartment. Some of the girls wanted to be brought up to the room, others just went right by the old woman guarding the front door and showed up at the front door. Why are Ukrainian apartments numberd so weird. I was staying in #59 but to get there had to push floor number 6 on the elevator. Go figure. Mind boggling. This girl had a nice tight little body, natural Bs, (what is is about Ukrainian women and their breasts, most I had, had very small breasts. Not that I minded, because there was clearly more than a mouthful on all of them but. What is it-Chernobyl fallout for all future generations? ) With her nice little body it was very easy to get hard. She loved sex, but her real joy was sucking my dick for quite awhile. After she had me rock hard I moved her into cowgirl since I was still a bit tired and thought since I was paying I'd make her do most of the work. This one did not mind and while I reciprocated with doggie and modified doggie, would quickly return her on top. She was a great rider and clearly could have lasted quite awhile as a real bull rider. Wasn't sure if I could get my nuts off again after a good day, but managed to get my second wind and come with her legs pinned up around my ears and screaming. Thanks goodness for the AC and the cement walls to muffle the screams. All in all a very good session and we finished in the shower with me having her give me a complete soapy bath and shower and hosing me down gently cleaning the jewels in appreciation. A great session to kill my time before RP. Had planned to go to RP by midnight but since she was late arriving and our session went very long it was pushing 1 AM. While she ordered her cab, I texted my driver to call me a cab for RP. She wanted to stay longer and I told her I was very tired and escorted her out but her damn cab was late getting there. Her taxi finally came and mine showed up right behind her. She thought I was going to bed and I was ready for my next mongering session.
Cab fare negotiated by my driver was 31 grivna gave him 35. RP is one hell of a place. Got to RP about 1 AM. Music is loud, lots of smoke but a mongerer's veritable meat market. There were so many women looking to make some money. They ranged from as low as 5s but majority were 7- with a few 9s.
Since I had been with several girls throughout the day, I was there to size up the place and what was there to be had. I think I was much more relaxed having had so much earlier that I proceeded to stand near the bar and observe the happenings. It is quite a site and to marvel at. While sipping a local beer for a few bucks (about $3), I scoped the girls out and it was a great feeling of euphoria, having the women try to catch your eye, and wink at me. I am in my fifty's but in good shape, have had a good life in picking up women and have had my share before my mongering days, but being there among the many men and being laid back and checking out the tang in the room. It was reverse everything we are used to when we enter and drink at a bar in the US. Instead of being the hunter you were in a reverse roll kind of being the hunted. I know why most women enjoy to be hunted. By being a bit aloof and just talking with many of the women as they came up and talked to me I was the hunted. Very empowering! I turned down many an offer. Most start at $300 but quickly dropped to $200 when I told them I was not interested in paying that amount. I had numerous offers, but just wanted to check out the scene since it was my first time there. I did get several three some offers from some fine looking women, all were willing to leave for $300 a nice deal but they were not quite my type. Two different sets even came down to $200 for a few hours, but in the end I passed. Might have been nuts but I saw this one blonde, very tall, about 5' 8", her name was Svetlana, a woman with those high cheek bones who stood out in the crowd. While she talked with many men, she stood there waiting to be approached. But I still stayed back to observe. Finally when I had about three women in close to me wanting me to take them to my apartment, she was close enough for me to say Hi and to ask why she has not stepped into save me. She laughed and said you seem to be doing ok for yourself. She asked why I had not accepted any of the the women's advances and I told her that I was waiting for a special girl. She had a nice smile and was very laid back and interesting. We small talked, listening to the music. I asked why she was not "working the room hard", but when you look like that, everything probably works out for her anyways. We talked about business, politics, etc. She was easily a 9+. She had a very nice smile and a great laugh. Said she was 32, but was easily one of 5 best in RP that night. The kind of women you see as a model. Finally asked her what her fees were and she said for me $200. I told her that that was way too much for me and that I was used to paying about $100. She stepped back and said that it was for the rest of the night till 7 or 8 AM. Since I knew she was interested since she countered at $175 and I said look I like you so I would go at $150 but till 8 AM. She said "Da" and we left. Now as I have read here in the forum the taxi return from RP is a ripoff. They seem to have a inside deal working and not knowing the deal, had to cough up 150 grivna, but with this blonde hottie on your arm, the 150 just had to be paid to get her to my place. Interesting when we got to the apartment she did not press for the money, in fact I paid her when she left in the morning. We had a small glass of wine, and had a great GFE experience. She had a great body, loved to please, excellent CBJ, DFK, and was a real moaner and screamer. Having had several the day earlier, I was rock hard and it took quite awhile to finally come which seemed to please her to no end. She liked it slow and hard, she had several orgasms and kept it up for more. This kind of women only makes me perform that much better. Finally ended the first session with her ankles up around my ears and her going nuts. Spent, we just lay there and cuddled and talked. Did not sleep any with her. How often do you get to nail a blonde hottie who appreciated you as much as you did her. After some long conversation I went for Part II and it was just as good. I love a moaner and a women that appreciates all that you do for her. This one was well worth the money and one to highly consider for a repeat performance. Again not having seen this forum before my trip I did not take any photos of her but did get a great video for my personal library. After she left at 8 AM I crashed till noon. All in all two great first days in Kiev.
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HunterDave
09-23-09, 13:32
Should have been in Kiev thread-added there now.
Hunter
Have not been to Kiev in c18 months and thinking about a visit soon.
I think there is now a Buddha bar in Kiev?
If it's anything like Dubai, it will be knee deep deep in top (expensive) poon?
Some general info would be great!
Fox 7717
PS. A Buddha bar is opening nect summer in Budapest
Have not been to Kiev in c18 months and thinking about a visit soon.
I think there is now a Buddha bar in Kiev?
If it's anything like Dubai, it will be knee deep deep in top (expensive) poon?
Some general info would be great!
Fox 7717
PS. A Buddha bar is opening nect summer in Budapest
Yes and yes.
It's on Khreshchatik just beyond Maidan.
Tell me more!
Any good? quality of poon? prices?
Have you been to Dubai Buddha as a comparison?
Cheers
fox7717
[QUOTE=Jojosun]Still doing a lot of reseach on the kiev scene.../QUOTE]Read the newly posted report from Borat in the Kiev thread.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=917492&postcount=5379
And do exactly as he writes.
Do really RTFF. It's all here.
Do you also want us all to change your nappy?With great respect to Borat's detailed reports. I am glad I didn't follow all of uke boy advice (Read and do exactly as he writes).
Never went into Budda bar, and it was next door to where I was staying, so saved a lot of money.
Never took out a girl from RP, although I went in few times, got few nos for much cheaper prices with the same girls, but for early evening, which suited me fine. You save even more money doing the same girls at my place and at my own pace.
Didn't stay in an apartment, but stayed in a central hotel on Kreschatick, with 24 hour bar and lobby, where I can interview the girls, unsutiable ones got sent away, much easier for me than staying in an apartment.,
Used kiev post, with very good results, which borat didn't use or didn't mention in his report
Moral of this, mongerers preferences and priorties are different, so you cannot do exactly as one poster might write in his report.
Or am I wrong?
Any way it took me reading few other reports to find out, that Salons are in fact Incall apartments.
I never found out where are the Strip clubs, that have rooms available to bang girls there and then. That you mentioned, nor has anyone else reported on them in kiev.
They are both Oligarchs from Eastern Ukraine. Surprise?
I can't imagine a more unlikely pair getting together to make a law. There's more to this than meets the eye, as ever with Ukraine.
AColonizer
11-01-09, 14:09
I have phoned to an Ukrainian living in Italy and she said it is not easy to understand what is the disease widespreading in Ukraine because somebody says h1n1 flu but somebody else says typhoid.
I have phoned to an Ukrainian living in Italy and she said it is not easy to understand what is the disease widespreading in Ukraine because somebody says h1n1 flu but somebody else says typhoid.http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/10/31/ukraine-swine-flu-and-some-election-politics/
It all a matter of planes spreading chemicals on great towns too and martial law.
Do you know if it is real?
They are both Oligarchs from Eastern Ukraine. Surprise?
But surely the braided one has based her entire political career on being a WESTERN (i.e. 'real') Ukrainian?
Sevastopol1
11-05-09, 13:27
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/10/31/ukraine-swine-flu-and-some-election-politics/
It all a matter of planes spreading chemicals on great towns too and martial law.
Do you know if it is real?
I asked a lady wearing a mask yesterday in Sevastopol if the mask was to protect herself against pig flu and the answer was "no she was safe from pig flu because she never ate pig"
Tell me more!
Any good? quality of poon? prices?
Have you been to Dubai Buddha as a comparison?
Cheers
fox7717
Hello Fox
Yes, it seems that the best selection from RP has made it to BB. All offers start at $300.
It's actually a 50/50 mixture of normal and p4p girls. The paid ones are busy socialising just like the normal ones and not trying too hard to make eye contact.
No, I've never been to Dubai.
A.
But surely the braided one has based her entire political career on being a WESTERN (i.e. 'real') Ukrainian?
True, but don't forget she's originally a Russian-speaker from Dnipropetrovsk with Armenian, Jewish and Latvian background.
The Ukrainian-speaking, western, re-invented version only dates from approx 1999 or so.
The braid arrived a few years later...
Ah, right, so when Kuchma, Yanukovich and Timoshenko all had their secret meeting 10 years ago they said to Julia, "Hey, you're the ***** with the pretty face, you make nice with the West!".
:)
Where does Yushchenko fit into all of this?
But I still can't work out how they benefit from shutting down casinos. Unless they expect to make a killing from kickbacks from the underground ones? It might work; plus they look virtuous by pretending to care about ordinary people's welfare.
She speaks heavily accented Ukrainian and often gets Ukrainian words wrong.
You ask what all four have in common, they all stole billions from Ukraine.
But surely the braided one has based her entire political career on being a WESTERN (i.e. 'real') Ukrainian?
AColonizer
11-07-09, 20:27
Pictures of you, pictures of me, this is our story. Ten years ago the wall of Berlin crashed down, Ukrainian people went into market economy and they became poorer, a lot of families left their daughters into prostitution, Ukrainian governments steal billions from few-grivnas pockets workers, again teens exchange their life for money.
She speaks heavily accented Ukrainian and often gets Ukrainian words wrong.
You ask what all four have in common, they all stole billions from Ukraine.
...Ten years ago the wall of Berlin crashed down...
Let's say "more or less" 20 years tomorrow ;)
Skane Henrik
11-13-09, 20:12
many girls say that they do "классика, глубокий миньет, стриптиз, эро.массаж, золотой дождь, страпон- 600 грн час"
a rough translation would be "classic, deep blowjob, strip, ero.massage, golden rain, strapon-600 uah per hour"
do they with mean "золотой дождь" really mean what in the western world is referred to "[CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103)"
i have seen that on many russian - ukraianian web pages and is uncertain. maybe it is part of the standart procedure.,)))
many girls say that they do "классика, глубокий миньет, стриптиз, эро.массаж, золотой дождь, страпон- 600 грн час"
a rough translation would be "classic, deep blowjob, strip, ero.massage, golden rain, strapon-600 uah per hour"
do they with mean "золотой дождь" really mean what in the western world is referred to "[CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103)"
i have seen that on many russian - ukraianian web pages and is uncertain. maybe it is part of the standart procedure.,)))
skane,
assume the price quoted is just for oral and straight sex for the hour only. except for a few ladies who specifically state anal is included, almost every other "extra" service such as [CodeWord101] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101) is for an additional payment. it is best if you make sure of this when you call or visit and before you start, otherwise you may be very disappointed.
many such quoted services are just "come-ons" and they do not perform any of these extras. always ask beforehand.
AColonizer
11-14-09, 15:33
yes, you are right.
but i want to remind how p4p actually works or should work, and how my best pro taught me: standard service is swallow blowjob with vaginal and/or anal intercourse, customer pays for time not for ejaculation, prostitute never wastes time and does everything of standard service plus previous agreement.
when prostitute wastes time for example cigarettes, showers, phone calls, complainings and etc., customer can kick her out and ask her for a total refund with no mind what she did.
if agreement and session are usually very different, this is because western culture ruined what eastern men have dominated until some years ago.
now i am reading the interesting reports by hunterdave, i know how business works and his reports seem too good to be true. however, that is a new breeze in this forum and i thank him for help to our colleague mongers.
we should go to kiev to find somebody special, not just for easy fucks. for example in italy, road prostitution is changing very quickly in last months, and until some time ago customers could choice oral, vaginal or anal without condom paying between 20 to 50 euros: this means it doesn't make sense to go abroad for easy fucks.
skane,
assume the price quoted is just for oral and straight sex for the hour only. except for a few ladies who specifically state anal is included, almost every other "extra" service such as [CodeWord101] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101) is for an additional payment. it is best if you make sure of this when you call or visit and before you start, otherwise you may be very disappointed.
many such quoted services are just "come-ons" and they do not perform any of these extras. always ask beforehand.
Ah, right, so when Kuchma, Yanukovich and Timoshenko all had their secret meeting 10 years ago they said to Julia, "Hey, you're the ***** with the pretty face, you make nice with the West!".
Where does Yushchenko fit into all of this?
But I still can't work out how they benefit from shutting down casinos. Unless they expect to make a killing from kickbacks from the underground ones? It might work; plus they look virtuous by pretending to care about ordinary people's welfare.When I was I in Kiev, the weekend fri 6Nov to mon9, I was handed printed cards for a new set of clubs called (Poker Clubs)., and this seems to be the new trend in gambling, now casinos are closed.
The barman at my hotel, told me, that if I phoned the club, they should be able to fix me up with some stunning girls
I had more than enough on my plate, that weekend, and didn't pursue this avenue.
So now we have it, High class gambling plus prostitution, so someone is bound to make a killing from shutting down the casinos.
HunterDave
11-23-09, 19:04
As promised here is the name and number to that cab company I used on my last trip to Kiev. Dispatcher tqakes all the relevant info and the cab shows normally within 15 minutes of your request. I paid 30 grivna in the city.
Absolut Taxi, 8063 455 95 95
Hope this helps. I also have the number to Romas from another cab company if any one wants it.
Hunter
Maninthestan
11-26-09, 20:58
Totally off subject here. But my hunting plans have changed as a Ukrainian semi pro (barely in the game) I know from other fertile monger lands is headed to Kiev to see ole Maninthestan (and then her family over the holidays). So I will spend less time hunting and more time vacationing and clubbing. Man I love this girl. Ole Santa maninthestan is going to be buying some presents for all the naughty ones!
I was thinking on getting a tattoo in Kiev. Anyone know any good places. I can't read Russian or Ukrainian at all so it is hard to research the places. I was wondering if there are any tat guys or gals out there that have some insight into the scene there in Kiev. I will have a good translator while I am there as my girl is pretty good with the english.
I know alot of the guys here are a bit more old school but if any of you guys are interested in this, PM me and I'll see what I can find. Looks like a new shin piece for me if I can find a decent place. I like to get a little ink on my trips to remind me of all the lovelies that took care of me during a visit.
I should get some good insight into the scene from my friend and maybe have some good semi pro ladies looking for some decent guys. My trip is going to be great. Kiev here I come.
Jacklesslove
11-30-09, 09:19
Whats the most economical way to withdraw funds in US $, say about $1000 or more
Thanks
Freebie Sevman
12-01-09, 22:52
Whats the most economical way to withdraw funds in US $, say about $1000 or more
ThanksI have gone to a bank with passport before and done it. Long ago, there will be a % - but not so bad!
Withdraw? Are you in country? Why not bring with?
Freebie Sevman
12-01-09, 22:57
I know the photo sucks, but it is all she will do!!
This MILF - 34 yrs, divorced, 2 daughters, works in a bank, drives an SUV, learns english in a school and comes to me 2 to 3 times a week for SEX lessons.
A 7 in the face for you guys, but I like the village look.
34 D's and they stand fairly perky.
Loves the attention If I can do it so can you!
Freebie Sevman
12-02-09, 17:05
I have read comments from posters about the talents of UKR girls in Oral!
Well, I know why! Just look at the photo.
I go to a cafe, my girl brings them home, I see gals 'eating' this all the time.
Rip off the head, sometimes pull the guts and then eat this 'Ukrainian sushi'!
I know of NO USA woman that would do the same? And not too many guys!
If you eat this stuff, swallowing a cockload is no problem!
Also, I have ED (dick slag) and it don't work when I drink, and it won't work unless I have feelings. I have tried Viagra. Nothing. Then Cialis, got some reaction, but not enough to warrant the cost! So it has been 3 years since I really POUNDED!
Not anymore! The other day I found it. It is in all aptekas, it is from India, it is basically the same stuff as in Viagra.
Genagra. Just go up to the Pharm girl and say Genagra! And watch her smirk!
I prefer the 4 tablets. 25mg. 91 grivna! I took 2 and had Genia my college professor (that begged me for anal) come to me. I was hard at midnight after drinking, hard again at 3am, and at 7am it was still stiff. I was so happy. To be able to fawk again like the Race Horse I was?
Member #4643
12-02-09, 17:42
I am thinking of going to Ukraine on business, and I would like to arrange for a non-pro or semi-pro experience. I have seen lots of marriage sites, and they are filled with beautiful young women, all of whom want to marry guys from 25-50 years old. I have concluded that finding and sleeping with a non-pro or semi-pro girl is probably pretty easy as long as she speaks English.
Can anyone tell me which sites are best for meeting Ukranian girls? I have no need for the marriage sites (they charge money and I am not really interested in marriage). In addition, if I have an internet correspondence before leaving the USA, I should be able to know if the girl really speaks English.
Thanks F
I know the photo sucks, but it is all she will do!!
This MILF - 34 yrs, divorced, 2 daughters, works in a bank, drives an SUV, learns english in a school and comes to me 2 to 3 times a week for SEX lessons.
A 7 in the face for you guys, but I like the village look.
34 D's and they stand fairly perky.
Loves the attention If I can do it so can you!
JUst kidding, I think.
Thanks Fv, just to clarify who is giving sex lessons to who ?
E.
Reiner Otto
12-02-09, 19:02
Can anyone tell me which sites are best for meeting Ukranian girls?
Try www.singles.ru, and go for Ukraine, and the city you want to visit. However, this site first of all is in Russian. But you can use an electronic translator, to begin with.
Because it is free of charge, quite a lot of spammers playing around.
You have to register, before you can communicate with somebody else. But also free of charge.
Quite a few other sites like mamba.ru etc. share the same database.
Bez Bezarra
12-02-09, 19:09
I see gals 'eating' this all the time.
Rip off the head, sometimes pull the guts and then eat this 'Ukrainian sushi'!
I know of NO USA woman that would do the same?
Hey Fernpod Shiv-Mustard!
You're right. USA women won't eat them. They like them for something else instead.
In USA, FWC bull-dykes put the herrings in their panties to improve their own rotten shrimp-pussy stench.
Freebie Sevman
12-03-09, 05:09
You make me laugh the most!
Isn't it true though. The very 1st thing I noticed here was that pussy just does not stink! The 38 yr old I had 2 nights ago, her pussy was so devoid of smell & taste that I wasn't certain I was in the right spot?
I remember waking up and having 3am sex with the Mrs, rolling over and going to sleep and the next morning I stunk. Not here!
It must be the H2O?
PS, you guys want to know why my good friend Bez does not monger in Kyiv any more? Last time we met, well. He just goes crazy in the big city. Bez is a small town boy!
Check out the photo.
Freebie Sevman
12-03-09, 10:44
Seriously, for the life of me I don't know why she and I got this far. I have tried to make her my girlfriend, but she refuses and maintains we are just friends.
You all should have such friends!
We met in January at first just to speak english in cafe. I think she felt sorry for me at first since I was alone. Some of our chats were difficult as she really had limited english. So 1 Saturday evening we decided to meet at 21:00, she picked me up in her car and I proposed just staying at my place as I had just baked 'Bubka' and my coffee was the best.
She agreed and in we went, after about 40 minutes we went to the living room to use computer to explain our lives in more depth. Finally I told her I was very attracted to her and that I wanted her to kiss me. She said NO!
You kiss me. That 1st night I only got to 2nd base. But oh my, her kisses were so passionate and she melted and those boobs, amazing for having 2 daughters sucking them!
See, I have the luxury to take things slow when I need to.
I have met her daughters. They have come to my home for meals. I have been to their dance performances. I have met the ex-hubby! But I think I am just the teacher of english! She lives in hubby's old apartment and I think she does not want to mess that up!
She comes to me every Sunday for the day and until late. She claims the sex is the best she has ever had. Maybe it is the oral and I am certain it was her 1st time orgasming via her G-Spot manipulation and she was almost 'scared' at the power of that sensation and asked "what did you do to me?! "
So yes, she is coming to me for sex. And I have given her some lessons!
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Fellas..........
Mari 20 year old, met her on marchutka (bus) and used her english/russian to help me. Next day I met her in cafe and said I wanted to help her if she would help me. Not really a freebie, but at 300 grivna for a true GFE, spent 2 hours with me and finished with the best BBBJ CIM in many months.
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Sev,
following you on the photo gallery.
Sounds really great, and it is exactly that what I loved most: Meeting such women and girls who are in sex, who like to have sex. Normal people.
My congrats, good work.
W
Tradewinds
12-03-09, 21:15
Hi Freebie Sevman (or anybody reading this),
I'm in Kiev about twice a month, if you are in Kiev this Saturday 5 December or some other time, lets meet send me a private message.
Cheers Tradewinds.
Love your posts. Great injection of light into an already bright forum (thanks to the regulars).
I can hardly wait to eat those fish myself! Love raw fish.
So I have a women I met on mamba from sevastopol (thats where you are right?)
She is in love with me.
I loved your party descriptions.
I'd love to meet you there. Would that be ok?
Is there a room in some old ladies house that I can rent for inexpensive?
Or what would you suggest. I want to stay for a week and keep the bills down.
I wanted to private messge you but couldn't
So decided to post here
Don Juan
Anyone who has followed this forum for the past 15 years KNOWS Bez. He provides irrelevant information, then posts the same type of grainy photos of women, often without connecting the pictures to his written words.
Why Bez feels he needs to post the same pictures, of the same women on, say, both the Russia and Ukraine boards, only Bez can say. He certainly never gives any details of his experiences with these women. And when he does give descriptions, and people point out that this photo he gave in one country is the same picture of the girl he wrote about meeting in another country.... That is when Bez either ignores the criticism, or comes out wanting someone's head.
Please understand that I am a lurker. Unlike most people who read Playboy, I admit that I come here mostly to look at the pictures. Bez provides lots of, frankly, pretty awful pictures of some very stunning women. I have commented about Bez before. I think he needs to stop using this forum as a way to make himself feel important. There are certainly any number of ways he could do this in a positive way, form a blog, for instance. Until that time, Bez remains Bez, so what you get is what we have continued to get for the past 15 years, or so.
Don't pay him any mind. If he irritates you so, place him on your ignore list. I haven't done so because Bez does post awful pictures of some stunning women. It's what he writes to introduce the pictures, and the question of whether the his pictures are relevant to his posts that brings the most criticism.
I think if you break apart your criticism of Bez, and accept my experience in dealing with the same situation, you will be very happy.
You make me laugh the most!
Isn't it true though. The very 1st thing I noticed here was that pussy just does not stink! The 38 yr old I had 2 nights ago, her pussy was so devoid of smell & taste that I wasn't certain I was in the right spot?
I remember waking up and having 3am sex with the Mrs, rolling over and going to sleep and the next morning I stunk. Not here!
It must be the H2O?
PS, you guys want to know why my good friend Bez does not monger in Kyiv any more? Last time we met, well. He just goes crazy in the big city. Bez is a small town boy!
Check out the photo.
Bez Bezarra
12-04-09, 09:50
For 15 years Bez posts grainy photos of women without connecting his words.
Why Bez posts women on the Russia and Ukraine boards, only Bez can say.
He never gives details of his experiences.
When Bez ignores the criticism, he wants someone's head.
Bez provides lots of awful pictures. I have commented about Bez before.
I think he needs to stop using this forum as a way to make himself feel important.
He could do this in a positive way, form a blog, for instance.
Don't pay him any mind.
Place him on your ignore list.
I haven't because Bez posts awful pictures.
It's the question of whether his pictures are relevant to his posts.
I think if you accept my experience in dealing with Bez, you will be very happy.
You sure are a lurker, 6 total posts since 2004, all comments about others that posted photos.
I guess the chemical weapons that you inhaled in Pavlodar have fried your brain, because you have NOT posted about me before, but I'm so flattered you took the time to single me out now for assassination.
In fact, your post is the FIRST time ever that I've felt impotent. I never felt that way before, because, as I obviously didn't repeat enough for you to notice, I am no more than a pervo photog philosopher.
I leave the importance to lurkers like you that NEVER CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING. Without your ilk, ISG would be nothing but my awful photos. Because if you really look at ALL the photos that other members post, and compare mine to them, I think you might notice that there are tons and tons of photos of pretty lame looking shit out there, but I don't hear you complaining about anyone but me. Guess I should feel special? What exactly DO you know about lighting anyhow? Do you think I use professional equipment in a studio? Or a video camera in the worst possibly lit apartments in bumfuckistan?
Not much success in your mongering in Kazakstan? All those smoking hot blondes that you could never get your hands on? Too afraid to venture out on your own from your 8x10 hotel cell? Only could get on the company bus?
How 'bout all those cute Russian girls at your local Wal-mart? Never had any success picking them up either?
Not connecting my words seems to be your point, but since the chemicals also fried your sense of humor, you'll sadly never connect the point, that the disconnection, IS the fucking point!
Let me further disconnect you. I couldn't possibly have posted fotos for 15 years, since I only bought a camera in 2004, so that would be 6 years, not 15.
If I get mixed up between Russia and Ukraine, why does that matter? I cross those borders multiple times, so do many other slavs. I know, I know, the historical accuracy is so important for you. Where exactly did Bez find this girl? We all must know!! Oh look! Bez posted that girl in Russia before, now he posted her in Ukraine!! Now I don't know if she's from Russia or Ukraine!! What a bastard! Bez must be exposed for his poor memory, he's required to remember the addresses of all 600 girls he met, so that we won't get confused or annoyed or unhappy about this travesty of mistakes!! Oh my God!!!
Well, let me fix all your relevance objections, so your questions will be answered and you can go back to lurking and not contributing.
All the girls in the awful photos, I met them for tea, slept with them, contributed to their university scholarship funds, and they went on their way.
Was there anything more that is relevant that I omitted to satisfy your curiosity? Like where I met them, how I met them, how much I contributed?
I met them in the provinces, through mutual friends, and I contributed plenty.
The key being, that I met them through friends, and it appears, sadly, that is obviously what you don't have, and also what you sorely need. Too bad your crashed astronaut pal didn't help you. Guess its also too bad you never learned enough Russian to help yourself either, maybe if you had, you could have made some friends.
That's surely my advice to you, speaking relevantly, if that's ok now. The pretty ladies I met came about because I taught myself to speak just enough Russian to get by in places where nobody spoke any English at all.
Only I never had the chance to work there, like you. I had 2 weeks, and then I was out of time. So I could only meet as many women as I could squeeze into a very short time frame, unlike you.
You know, it seems that Fifty Fifty and his friends had a really fun time in their tiny little shithole of Aqtau with the gals, what a shame you struck out so badly in Pavlodar, what with all the gorgeous blondes walking around all the time.
I think that deserves one big collective "Awwwwwwwww shucks!!" from the memebership. You now have earned yourself a grand pity party from the board. Perhaps you could start a blog about that?
I won't be blogging, sorry to let you down. I don't need to feel important, in fact, I don't need to feel anything, in fact I don't NEED anything, that's not the point.
Did I forget to answer any of your critique?
I really do hope that either everyone ignores me, as attention is something I don't need, or at the least, they accept YOUR experience in dealing with me, whatever that might be, so that the whole world will have happiness. Now that's important!
Of course, the best possible result would be if everyone does exactly as you suggest, so I ask all members to please follow the ideas of Squabble666, so that he should feel all the impotence that he thinks I need, since I don't need it, want it, or give a shit about it. You can have it pal, its all yours.
You see, the REAL point of all this crap, is that, I went out there alone, just like you, except in my case, I got really lucky and hooked up with quite a lot of nice ladies, and had an awesome time.
That is the POINT. Not, did I get perfect photos of them? The fotos were nothing more than an afterthought. Sorry. I know that's gonna make YOU feel un-important, because all you do is look at photos. SORRY!!!!!!
Ignore this awful photo, or you won't be happy like SquamousCell 64:
I asked a lady wearing a mask yesterday in Sevastopol if the mask was to protect herself against pig flu and the answer was "no she was safe from pig flu because she never ate pig"
Amazing to hear such answers, when the Flu outbreak started in April in Mexico city a "lady friend" from Saint Petersburg told a friend of mine that she did not wanted to chat with him through odnoklassini / icq because he will transfer her the virus through the internet. She was her "sponsorette" or something like that according to him.
By the way I am planning a trip to Kiev, any recommendation or information is welcome, I have been to Russia I imagine the scene might be a little similar there. I am looking for primary (but not only) for teens or blondes.
Freebie Sevman
12-04-09, 17:44
Anyone who has followed this forum for the past 15 years KNOWS Bez. If he irritates you so, place him on your ignore list. I think if you break apart your criticism of Bez, and accept my experience in dealing with the same situation, you will be very happy.Irritate me? I criticized him? When?
I just said his posts make me laugh. As well as others!
I know the score, and I know so many embellish.
I prefer reality.
How did you become a senior member? Donation?
Anyone who has followed this forum for the past 15 years KNOWS Bez. He provides irrelevant information, then posts the same type of grainy photos of women, often without connecting the pictures to his written words.
I think if you break apart your criticism of Bez, and accept my experience in dealing with the same situation, you will be very happy.
Freebie Sevman
12-06-09, 09:36
Ok I know these girls need $. But can't they come up with another story? Who taught them this one?
I've stopped working on my 'good' girl TT that I wrote about in "Other Areas", see she went to Kyiv this weekend as her mama is sick and needs an operation, some village outside of Kyiv. So I ask her how much do you need?
$10, 000 she says, I ask USD?
NO, Euro. WTF?
So I ask what is wrong?
Eye problem.
I reply, CATARACTS? GLAUCOMA? MACULAR DEGENERATION?
Quickly she replies (all this is online) glaucoma and she needs an operation.
Now I am laughing, so I ask where will the operation be?
She says Simferopol! WTF?
Now I am rolling on the floor! So I play along, I tell her to come to me so we can talk.
She says she will give me sex if I give $, so much for my GOOD GIRL!
I want this girl once, so I say ok. Of course I'm not giving $10, 000.
She says I will come at 17:00 but only oral, you have too many other women.
"Those damn babushkas sitting outside my flat! "
And she will only give me blow job, no touching her!
Wow, so I quickly end this game. Tell her to get her 'medical facts' straight.
And just this morning, after Olga came to me yesterday for a repeat. 300 grivna. She is online and asks for help! Her sister is in the hospital and needs an operation for pneumonia, not certain they do that as a treatment?
And she has never talked about her sister before, only 1 younger brother she shares a flat with.
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 09:39 I want to fuck you on my kitchen table. NOW! Will you come?
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 09:37 I have stayed home both Friday & Saturday night because I did not have $$
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 09:36 and I can't give what I don't have?
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 09:35 Well you need to treat 'nice people' better. Sorry, but you were Bad in what you said!
Mari today at 09:34 When one of your famili can die, what you do, you was think about sex? No... I am not bad girl
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 09:30 WHAT? Wow? Thanks is all you can say? I have like 200 grivna at home here. It is Sunday. And it is Saturday night in USA. My $$ will not be in Ukraine until " Monday morning USA time. 17:00 here" You are a bad girl. Sorry.
Mari today at 09:26 On Monday my sister be dead... Thanks
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 09:25 Well, we have small problem. I have NO cash! USD. Just 200 grivna, Monday I will get $ in my bank account from USA!. (You will have to wait until Monday around 16:30 to 17:00 OK? But come to me now, you make me so excited.?,?????.????!.?? 200?,??? $??????!: ((?????? 16:30? 17:00?????,????.
Ok, so here I am going to fuck her and not pay her Monday! Scam the scammers.
Mari today at 09:24?
Mari today at 09:21 If you give me $ I go in hospital, than to u... Ok?
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 09:19 Will you come NOW!
Mari today at 09:14 Better if I come to you 6 time, because I have not girl friends
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 09:13 You have me aroused and hard right now. I want YOU!??????.???!
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 09:12?,???? (?,??,??),???,?????? "?? '??????? $ 200???? 3?.???? 6???..)
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 09:11 What I really want (yes I want you) but I want you to help me find another ' young girl ' You do this and you can have the $200 and only come to me 3 times. Or it will be 6 times you come..)
Mari today at 09:08 No... 300 hrivnas 1 time...
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 09:07 1 time for $200?
Mari today at 09:05 You call me, I go to you and we have sex
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 09:04 And what will you do for me?
Mari today at 09:03 Yes...
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 09:02 $200 USD?
Mari today at 09:01 I need 1500... Please....
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 09:00 How much are you asking?
Mari today at 08:59 Hi... I need your help... My sister in hospital... Pneumonia... Can you give me $ for operation...?
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 08:54????.?????? 6?,???.???.?? "Fucking"?.???!
FREEBIE SEVMAN today at 08:54 You were so nice yesterday. I woke up thinking of you at 6am, big and hard. I even had to masturbate. I loved 'fucking' you. Wish I could everyday! Kiss
They ALL think we are so stupid!
Ps. The photo is when she had long hair but the body is hers. Bad pic 'because it was on her phone and she MMS's me.
Bez Bezarra
12-06-09, 23:35
why do they all use the same lie that they want us to pay them $10,000 for sex because their family desperately needs an operation?
no need for cash, especially that much!
after having spent some time in some hospitals there, not as a patient, i can confirm that most of the doctors will happily accept vodka in lieu of cash payment. in fact, they'll drink it during the operation.
ever notice all the scars on the poor girls. they get a real bad stomach ache or horrible cramps from eating something that was spoiled or dirty, then go to hospital thinking they are gonna die, and the surgeons take out something just for kicks to practice and to get paid some extra vodka.
they're desperate for income. haitian nurse aides that change alzheimers medicaid patients' [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) in florida get 2 or 3 times higher salary than ukrainian surgeons.
I believe the former chemical weapons site you talk about in Pavlodar had liquid mercury seeping out from around my boots, whenever I took a step. That is disturbing. This is mercury contamination so bad. you can't step anywhere on the soil without having liquid metal appear around your boot.
But that is what decades of communist life left you, with the knowledge that the State is first, and humans are inconsequential... The fact that Pavlodar's people are in poverty, and live off subsistence fishing and farming is irrelevant. The fact that Pavlodar has 150 (one hundred and fifty) times higher incidence of cancer than the average person in Kazakhstan is probably irrelevant to you, as well. I pray for you.
No wonder I have such few posts since 2004! Who ever wants to go back, after experiencing that!
What I believe I questioned was the relevancy of your photos. How can you post a grainy photo of one woman in the Urkraine forum, then several weeks/months later post a nearly identical photo of the same woman on the Russian forum?
Not that I hate you. Frankly, I like you. You give us great photos. It's just the words you use to explain yourself that get you in trouble.
I believe my original post contains most of the responses to the questions you raised. And I believe your response, which appears below, adequately addresses the larger issue I raised.
You sure are a lurker, 6 total posts since 2004, all comments about others that posted photos.
I guess the chemical weapons that you inhaled in Pavlodar have fried your brain, because you have NOT posted about me before, but I'm so flattered you took the time to single me out now for assassination.
In fact, your post is the FIRST time ever that I've felt impotent. I never felt that way before, because, as I obviously didn't repeat enough for you to notice, I am no more than a pervo photog philosopher.
I leave the importance to lurkers like you that NEVER CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING. Without your ilk, ISG would be nothing but my awful photos. Because if you really look at ALL the photos that other members post, and compare mine to them, I think you might notice that there are tons and tons of photos of pretty lame looking shit out there, but I don't hear you complaining about anyone but me. Guess I should feel special? What exactly DO you know about lighting anyhow? Do you think I use professional equipment in a studio? Or a video camera in the worst possibly lit apartments in bumfuckistan?
Not much success in your mongering in Kazakstan? All those smoking hot blondes that you could never get your hands on? Too afraid to venture out on your own from your 8x10 hotel cell? Only could get on the company bus?
How 'bout all those cute Russian girls at your local Wal-mart? Never had any success picking them up either?
Not connecting my words seems to be your point, but since the chemicals also fried your sense of humor, you'll sadly never connect the point, that the disconnection, IS the fucking point!
Let me further disconnect you. I couldn't possibly have posted fotos for 15 years, since I only bought a camera in 2004, so that would be 6 years, not 15.
If I get mixed up between Russia and Ukraine, why does that matter? I cross those borders multiple times, so do many other slavs. I know, I know, the historical accuracy is so important for you. Where exactly did Bez find this girl? We all must know!! Oh look! Bez posted that girl in Russia before, now he posted her in Ukraine!! Now I don't know if she's from Russia or Ukraine!! What a bastard! Bez must be exposed for his poor memory, he's required to remember the addresses of all 600 girls he met, so that we won't get confused or annoyed or unhappy about this travesty of mistakes!! Oh my God!!!
Well, let me fix all your relevance objections, so your questions will be answered and you can go back to lurking and not contributing.
All the girls in the awful photos, I met them for tea, slept with them, contributed to their university scholarship funds, and they went on their way.
Was there anything more that is relevant that I omitted to satisfy your curiosity? Like where I met them, how I met them, how much I contributed?
I met them in the provinces, through mutual friends, and I contributed plenty.
The key being, that I met them through friends, and it appears, sadly, that is obviously what you don't have, and also what you sorely need. Too bad your crashed astronaut pal didn't help you. Guess its also too bad you never learned enough Russian to help yourself either, maybe if you had, you could have made some friends.
That's surely my advice to you, speaking relevantly, if that's ok now. The pretty ladies I met came about because I taught myself to speak just enough Russian to get by in places where nobody spoke any English at all.
Only I never had the chance to work there, like you. I had 2 weeks, and then I was out of time. So I could only meet as many women as I could squeeze into a very short time frame, unlike you.
You know, it seems that Fifty Fifty and his friends had a really fun time in their tiny little shithole of Aqtau with the gals, what a shame you struck out so badly in Pavlodar, what with all the gorgeous blondes walking around all the time.
I think that deserves one big collective "Awwwwwwwww shucks!!" from the memebership. You now have earned yourself a grand pity party from the board. Perhaps you could start a blog about that?
I won't be blogging, sorry to let you down. I don't need to feel important, in fact, I don't need to feel anything, in fact I don't NEED anything, that's not the point.
Did I forget to answer any of your critique?
I really do hope that either everyone ignores me, as attention is something I don't need, or at the least, they accept YOUR experience in dealing with me, whatever that might be, so that the whole world will have happiness. Now that's important!
Of course, the best possible result would be if everyone does exactly as you suggest, so I ask all members to please follow the ideas of Squabble666, so that he should feel all the impotence that he thinks I need, since I don't need it, want it, or give a shit about it. You can have it pal, its all yours.
You see, the REAL point of all this crap, is that, I went out there alone, just like you, except in my case, I got really lucky and hooked up with quite a lot of nice ladies, and had an awesome time.
That is the POINT. Not, did I get perfect photos of them? The fotos were nothing more than an afterthought. Sorry. I know that's gonna make YOU feel un-important, because all you do is look at photos. SORRY!!!!!!
Ignore this awful photo, or you won't be happy like SquamousCell 64:
Let it go, Sevman.
Irritate me? I criticized him? When?
I just said his posts make me laugh. As well as others!
I know the score, and I know so many embellish.
I prefer reality.
Bez Bezarra
12-11-09, 04:58
Um,..........
The tragedy you described of the USSR's ruination of the Kazakh environment is really horrifying, and the fact that you dealt with it first hand cleaning up the disaster is pretty freakin amazing.
I hope the company paid you exceedingly well for your trouble, but I think its safe to say that we're all disappointed that you didn't stop somewhere more interesting on the way home, say in the provinces, to spend some of that money and have a little adventure in CandyLand.
If you had, that is, spent much more time with your schnoz buried up many a dyev's kooz, than busting your hump soaking up Sarin gas fumes, then perhaps you'd understand better the abstract concepts of the russian state of mind of mongering, which leads to my illness.
After all the tramps and sponsorettes brutally screwing up my mind twisting and pulling me in a million directions and all the flights and trains and visas and back and forth and in and out and up and down and chai and beer, is it any wonder the words that I use to explain myself get me in trouble?
Frankly, I'd be embarrassed if I didn't cause a ruckus. Life's too fucking short for habitual blandness. Shake things up and go against the damn grain. My aim's not to please. Drop your socks and grab your cocks. Cannonball, back at ya.
Am I getting through?
Relevance? Look, all I can say is that the point is irrelevance, there's just been too much border crossing in my time to keep track if I'm on the left or the right side of that line. Those trains keep on rolling, and those girls have families on both sides, so they come and go, back and forth, to school, to work, and on holiday. Look at the map, russians and ukrainians go back and forth by the thousands and thousands every day morning noon and night. If that's where I've chosen to find my niches, why should I care that anyone here has some problem with it.
Nyet, huy mat.
Must I get out my violin and play a sad tune for those who feel cheated and confused by my wanderlust? The provinces are the provinces, it MATTERS none which side you're on. The difference between southern russia and eastern ukraine is nominal. Don't take my word for it, go see for yourself.
Graininess just happens to be unavoidably intrinsic to video freeze framing in ambient lit flats with 5 meter ceilings. Nothing can be done about it, unless I invite my guests to a photography studio, which just ain't Bez style. You'd think with so many of the other fotos posted all over ISG of terribly blurred vagina and boob close-ups that show nothing except anatomy, that a little graininess would be the least of your concern, but there's no real accounting for taste, so ipso facto hippity hoppity fiddle diddle yolki polki.
LifeSavour
12-11-09, 11:45
What am I doing agreeing with 'No problem Guy'.
It is true. Drop me in any of a number of cities from Zhytomir to Ternopol OR
Dnepr to Kiv'o Grad (sp?)
And they all look the fawking same, and so do the girls!
LS Guy
I would like your advice on the practicality of sourcing a youngish companion in Kiev for a week's upscale holiday in Turkey. I plan go the south Aegean for a week in May, and was considering making the trip via Kiev, spending a few days in Kiev and then going on to Turkey with a companion. One choice is to get a girl from an agency such as Vodka or GIA, I think I would prefer a semi or non-pro. Would it be worth my while to send the offer out to girls on flirt. Ua (I have virtually no facility in Russian)? Or do you have more familiarity with the local women have any other suggestions.
I would like your advice on the practicality of sourcing a youngish companion in Kiev for a week's upscale holiday in Turkey. I plan go the south Aegean for a week in May, and was considering making the trip via Kiev, spending a few days in Kiev and then going on to Turkey with a companion. One choice is to get a girl from an agency such as Vodka or GIA, I think I would prefer a semi or non-pro. Would it be worth my while to send the offer out to girls on flirt. Ua (I have virtually no facility in Russian)? Or do you have more familiarity with the local women have any other suggestions.You may find a suitable girl on flirt.com.ua . There's a section called "Fellow Travelers" where you can browser through profiles of people who are interested in vacations, where they are interested in going, whether they want you to pay or whether they will pay for themselves, and most importantly, if "sex is possible".
Bez Bezarra
12-13-09, 14:58
What am I doing.
Drop me in Kiv'o Grad!Have you branched out?
LifeSavour
12-13-09, 16:09
It's called a Road Trip!
I love to hope the train on a Thursday night and spend 2.3 days in HER city.
And by HER I mean. Yulia, Tamara, Ira, Sofia & Oksana!
Its kind of a shuffle.
LifeSavour
12-13-09, 16:14
Join & PM me. I can HELP!
Bez Bezarra
12-14-09, 00:44
Road Trip 3 days in HER city.
Well, Zhytomyr's not far, but those other's are a long haul by rail, +12 hrs each way. So......
Overnight 1st class sleeper compartment? 24 hours R/T sitting on a train sounds kinda like peasant livin'. I know, been there, done that R/T twice, it was enough for me, so I upgraded, permanently. You won't catch me on that long hauler ever again, its too slow and stuffy. The old ways are for the natives.
You go for only one Natahsa at a time, and stay at her place? Sounds sort of boring, even with all you can eat pizda. Just sit around and play house?
Suppose it sounds reasonable, since you go for the divorce' 27-35 y.o., right? You bring toys for her kid?
Share some adventures???
Freebie Sevman
12-16-09, 11:24
She writes to you, invites you to see her naked.
You go to this site, it shows 100''s of naked girls from Sevastopol (or your IP )
And they all want only you.... so you want to join this site, but here is the catch:
Sending the sms will cost you a lot more than they quote!!
:(((
And to think, I am missing all these beautiful boobs!
Whereabouts in Turkey do the Russki/Uke girls hang out over Christmas and the New Year? Which resorts, I mean.
Doctor_Skank
12-20-09, 05:35
Whereabouts in Turkey do the Russki/Uke girls hang out over Christmas and the New Year? Which resorts, I mean.Egypt. That's whereabouts in Turkey. )
Egypt. That's whereabouts in Turkey. )
Ah yes, Hurghada and Sharm-el-sheik. Which one's better?
Have you had the 'winter session' in the sun experience? Do you recommend it?
LifeSavour
12-20-09, 18:59
Well, Zhytomyr's not far, but those other's are a long haul by rail, +12 hrs each way. So.
Overnight 1st class sleeper compartment? 24 hours R/T sitting on a train sounds kinda like peasant livin'. I know, been there, done that R/T twice, it was enough for me, so I upgraded, permanently. You won't catch me on that long hauler ever again, its too slow and stuffy. The old ways are for the natives.
You go for only one Natahsa at a time, and stay at her place? Sounds sort of boring, even with all you can eat pizda. Just sit around and play house?
Suppose it sounds reasonable, since you go for the divorce' 27-35 year old, right? You bring toys for her kid?
Share some adventures?I usually have a great time!
Ok, so in Kyiv I am usually shacked up with a lady friend. So I need from time to time go and do some training in other cities (at least that is what I tell her), usually I talk about Odesa.
On the train, back in 2003. 04, I used to always book the whole 1st class compartment until I learned that they 'co-mingle ' the sexes, which I'm told will soon stop. I have heard some 1st hand stories of stupid 'local' guys and a woman in his cabin. Now I always go 2nd class (4 to a room), hoping for the ultimate score!
I come prepared with champanski, cognac, vodka, pivo and food. My 'roomies' will have a party with me! I have met some nice people and only once had an asshole try to fuck with me! Never have scored on the train, but I did meet one lady that hooked up with me in Kyiv later.
When I go to a smaller city, I book my own apartment and I arrive at my own time. I have 2 to 3 lined up to meet! One is usually the main one, but I need back up. Hard to score the 1st day / night / meeting!
Plus, I can always feign illness, or a business call to get away! All in all, this type of travel suits me and I have had some wonderful experiences!
What ever trips your 'trigger'!
LS Guy
CityHunter77
12-20-09, 20:08
Ah yes, Hurghada and Sharm-el-sheik. Which one's better?
Have you had the 'winter session' in the sun experience? Do you recommend it?This is the only info I got from the Egypt thread:
Night clubs for Russian/Ukranian ladies
Sharm: Little Buddha, Pacha, Black House and Dolce Vita (Friday Night only)
Hurgada: Calipso, Little Buddha or HeatCandy.
In Sharm these hotels are popular for Russian ladies: Amar Sina, Creative Badawia, Falcon Al Diar Resort, Fantazia Hotel, Gafy Land Tourist Village, Ghazala Gardens Hotel, Logaina Sharm Resort, Oonas Dive Club.
I've heard best time to go is usually summer when universities are on break
Let me know how you get on, I'll be visiting in the summer
Ah yes, Hurghada and Sharm-el-sheik. Which one's better?
Have you had the 'winter session' in the sun experience? Do you recommend it?The more upscale travel to Sharm and hang out in Pasha and the lower scale hang out in Hurghada and are either in Buddha Bar or in the Marina area.
Thanks Guys. The only dilemma facing me now is.. high end or low end girls? Hmm ;)
Norwegianguy
12-26-09, 18:03
Anyone have any experiene about celebrating new year in Kiev? All family event with noone anywhere or worth a ticket?
Peter
Freebie Sevman
01-10-10, 15:13
Sorry to say boys but the 'ol Sea Man is heading to:
SEX & ALCOHOL Prison for 1 year. Took a University position in a Saudi University.
Anyone know how long the 'DT's ' last?
I am writing this from Istanbul as we departed last night late because of weather and I missed my connection. I've got to say, very impressed with Turkish Air, put us up in the Radisson, free meals, free wi-fi, super room!
So, I knew I had over stayed my welcome (visa) in Ukraine so I tried to get passed it with a new passport, totally devoid of all stamps, visas!
Nope. They still wanted the fine, which was 720 grivna at the bank.
I went with a girl in uniform to pay, but actually did not have enough cash and I told them that was all I had? So we walk back to the upstairs office, I offer a bribe and it was a BIG NO!
They talk some and reduce the fine to 500 grivna! WTF!
So we walk back to the bank and I seriously considered trying to say I still didn't have enough cash. HOW LOW WILL THEY GO?
But I was close to take off so I paid it!
And it was 'bye bye' to the Land of Milk & Honey!!!!
Ukraine to Saudi Arabia? I hope they're paying you $$$.
Sorry to say boys but the 'ol Sea Man is heading to:
SEX & ALCOHOL Prison for 1 year. Took a University position in a Saudi University.
Anyone know how long the 'DT's ' last?
I am writing this from Istanbul as we departed last night late because of weather and I missed my connection. I've got to say, very impressed with Turkish Air, put us up in the Radisson, free meals, free wi-fi, super room!
So, I knew I had over stayed my welcome (visa) in Ukraine so I tried to get passed it with a new passport, totally devoid of all stamps, visas!
Nope. They still wanted the fine, which was 720 grivna at the bank.
I went with a girl in uniform to pay, but actually did not have enough cash and I told them that was all I had? So we walk back to the upstairs office, I offer a bribe and it was a BIG NO!
They talk some and reduce the fine to 500 grivna! WTF!
So we walk back to the bank and I seriously considered trying to say I still didn't have enough cash. HOW LOW WILL THEY GO?
But I was close to take off so I paid it!
And it was 'bye bye' to the Land of Milk & Honey!!!!
It seems really crazy, just extend your visa...
IT
Ukraine to Saudi Arabia? I hope they're paying you $$$.
I hope too otherwise.... he will be crazy after Ukraine! Alchool and pussy are the most outspread and easier avaliable goods in UA... neraly easier than Gasoline!
:D :D It's the reason why I love the country, but there is Ikra tooo... :p
IT
Angus Magee
01-12-10, 17:41
Thought you Ukraine hounds might need a bit of light entertainment.
The first is a belly dancer from Ukraine's Got Talent. It gets really hot about half way through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk8oXU_i7VE&feature=related
The next two are from a pop star who you no doubt may know.
Nikita Vereki.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPIIUhWJMbM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMjoTL2KDeU&feature=related
Too bad about the censor bars in the first one. I have been looking for an uncensored version but so far am unsuccessful.
Hot looking girl that Nikita. But something tells me high maintenance and probably out of old Angus' league.
I always enjoy the Ukraine postings. Very lively. A special thanks to IT Travel for such unabashed enthusiasm for things anal & face pasting-The Woodman is also a hero to me. And to Bez Bezera for being such an original & mongering pioneer. Bez you are on the front lines and an inspiration to a sedentary monger such as myself.
AM from the Berlin thread.
AColonizer
01-22-10, 21:17
For who still thinks women are the innocent sex:
http://www.azbukasexa.ru/view/node-1710.html?tx2
Cougarhater69
02-18-10, 23:30
Hey guys,
Been living in Kiev for a year, know quite a few of the club owners, figured out Ukrainian babes to the Tee. Run my own biznis which is doing well despite the crisis.
But bored of my posse and looking for some new blood but miss a great wing man. So if any you in town, PM me and if we get the right vibes, can hit it.
Cool Hand Luke
02-21-10, 18:54
Hi there Cougarhater69.
Am in Kiev for few months. Can meet for a beer if you like.
PMs not allowed for your profile.
Hey guys,
Been living in Kiev for a year, know quite a few of the club owners, figured out Ukrainian babes to the Tee. Run my own biznis which is doing well despite the crisis.
But bored of my posse and looking for some new blood but miss a great wing man. So if any you in town, PM me and if we get the right vibes, can hit it.
AColonizer
02-21-10, 19:29
short russian/english sex vocabulary: first edition
today i want to express my devotion to ukrainian women: they are fucking panthers hidden in angelic bodies with princess manners.
the world is changing fast and also ukraine will change into a feminist country similar to our western countries.
therefore we need to enjoy ukrainian women as soon as possible.
in my travelling experience in ukraine, i always needed a comprehensive vocabulary about words and sentences for bargaining with slavic women.
nobody (masters too) has made anything similar and this is one of the main reason since bargaining was weak with a very low ratio between price/service.
the one only way to decide if a bargaining is successful is to apply the famous economic quantitative theory in sex market too: more services you get in a price unit (with no time limit), and better bargaining you get.
the knowledge is the power.
therefore i want to start here a short russian/english sex vocabulary since this will be useful for everybody, from beginners to masters.
of course, this vocabulary needs the contribute by people here about experiences, idioms and mistakes.
before of all, in my opinion, there are some magic words that open the door to paradise:
глубокий минет с проглотом = КОРОЛЕВСКИЙ минет = very deepthroat swallow blowjob aka royal blowjob. procedure: woman starts kissing, licking, lipping each area of pubes (pubes hair, penis, testicles, anus); she swallows both testicles; she focuses on penis (glans, shaft) with some “jokes” (cigar-like licking, internal cheek hitting, dog-like licking, etc.); she pumps penis all inside throat (mouth reaches the first area of testicles) with/without tongue out (when penis all inside throat, tongue licks testicles) before slow and after faster up to 1/1.5 pumping per second; meanwhile her hands are massaging pubes and/or testicles and/or her finger is inside anus (prostatic massage); the pumping usually continues with no pauses until the ejaculation; when ejaculation is coming out, she pumps stronger and deeper; when ejaculation has finished, she keeps penis inside her throat for some seconds and she extracts her throat licking penis; she kisses glans and she smiles man to thank for giving a work to her.
help: what is the ukrainian idiom for penis-to-throat fucking (that's a reverse royal blowjob)???
минет в презервативе = blowjob with condom, covered blowjob, fellatio with condom, covered penis oral sex (worse than a handjob).
минет без резинки = blowjob without rubber, uncovered blowjob, fellatio without condom, uncovered penis oral sex.
минет глубокий = deepthroat blowjob (read КОРОЛЕВСКИЙ минет too).
oкончание в рот = ejaculation in/into mouth and/or on tongue, cum to mouth. this doesn't mean “cum swallow” at all!
oкончание на лицо = ejaculation on face, cum to face (hair, eyes, nose, cheeks, tongue, lips).
oкончание на грудь = ejaculation on breast, cum to tits.
минет в машине = blowjob in a car, in general the typical sex on the road (also while man is driving his car).
cтриптиз профи = professional strip-tease.
cтриптиз не профи = non-professional strip-tease.
cекс классический = vaginal sex aka classic sex .
cекс анальный = anal sex (all women have anal sex).
cекс групповой = group sex, gangbang, orgy.
cекс лесбийский = lesbian sex.
Лесби откровенное = ?
Лесби-шоу легкое = ?
куннилингус = cunnilingus, uncovered vaginal oral sex. it is spontaneous a man performs oral sex on /into both vagina and anus (cunnilingus and rimming), too.
help: what is the ukrainian idiom for vagina-to-mouth fucking (that's a reverse cunnilingus)???
aнилингус делаю = anilingus given, anal oral sex, rimming performed by woman on/into man's anus. it is spontaneous woman repeatedly inserts her tongue in the man's anus performing mouth-to-ass fucking, too.
игрушки = toys, vibrators, dildos, huge objects in mouth/throat and/or vagina and/or anus ( with /without sex action at the same time).
cтрапон = strap-on performed on girl and/or man.
ролевые игры = role games.
Золотой дождь выдача = golden rain given, woman [CodeWord110] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord110) on man (in a lot of “positions”) with/without [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) swallow.
Золотой дождь прием = golden rain received, man [CodeWord110] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord110) on woman ( in a lot of “positions”). it is necessary to ask woman for [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) swallow too. who was an “actor” in ggg movies, he knows what i mean.
копрофагия выдача = coprophagia given, woman defecates somewhere on man's body. coprophagia literally means “shit eating”, but in general this doesn't always mean man eats woman's shit.
копрофагия прием = coprophagia received, man defecates somewhere on woman's body. coprophagia literally means “shit eating”, but in general this doesn't always mean woman eats man's shit.
yслуги семейной паре = services for a family couple, sex assistant for both spouses of a couple
Фото/видео съемка = photo/video shooting, take pictures and/or movies of a sex action.
Фистинг классический = classic fisting, vaginal fisting. women enjoy vaginal fisting more than men think. through well-known people, it has tested vaginal fisting up to three (big) hands in a young (under 20 years old) vagina.
Фистинг анальный = anal fisting. through well-known people, it has tested anal fisting up to two (big) hands, or one half arm (30 cm), in a young (under 20 years old) colon, with/without analgesic/anesthetic drug, such as luan. it has tested huge objects, such as a full bottle of martini/prosecco/champagne (up to the bottom of the bottle) too.
this is my first edition. if people here will help me, i can enrich this vocabulary much more in the second edition.
Kingjulian
03-01-10, 13:20
Hello, Guys and Masters of the forum.
My company has some business activity in Ukraine (I'm 37 yo, and living between US and Frankfurt). I'm a reader of your posts
I started to correspondence with some girls via Bride. Ru, and with some there was good connection.
With the girls that I had good connection we suggested first meeting, but for some I also suggested to invite her to Europe somewhere
In several cases the girl wanted it very much, but said that for she needs to issue an Ukrainian International Passport, and the "fast" course takes $US200. Am I being scammed here?
I would be happy to learn from your experience guys!
Kingjulian
03-01-10, 13:27
Hello Guys and Masters of the forum.
My company has some business activity in Ukraine (I'm 37 yo, and living between US and Frankfurt). I'm a reader of your posts
I started to correspondence with some girls via Bride. Ru, and with some there was good connection.
With the girls that I had good connection we suggested first meeting, but for some I also suggested to invite her to Europe somewhere.
In several cases the girl wanted it very much, but said that for she needs to issue an Ukrainian International Passport, and the "fast" course takes $US200. Am I being scammed here?
I would be happy to learn from your experience guys!
Ukrainians like most FSU'ers do have two passports. One for internal travel and one for travel outside the FSU.
Scam, I dunno, probably. $200 is some pretty hefty bribe money for something that is either free or cost 50uah and a couple of weeks wait time.
Ukrainians like most FSU'ers do have two passports. One for internal travel and one for travel outside the FSU.
Scam, I dunno, probably. $200 is some pretty hefty bribe money for something that is either free or cost 50uah and a couple of weeks wait time.
Sorry CD Bro' but things have changed somewhat.
An expedited international passport done through a respectable travel agency (you need not buy a tour, just pay for the passport service) will cost anywhere from $100 for 3-4 week service and perhaps $250 or so for one-two day service.
If you go do it yourself at the local OVIR it is cheaper since this is the source of the passports. Thirty days for the passport will cost roughly no more than 250 grivna (depends on the locale of the applicant). A passport from OVIR given out by the 10th work day costs no more than 500 grivna, again the price varies (lower) in regions other than Kiev.
Asking for $200 right at the start for something that actually costs $60 expedited ($30 if 30-days) through OVIR is a very bad sign.
Once she has the passport, then comes the fun of the visa. Now that may cost you even more...
Gentleman Travel
03-01-10, 22:57
Asking for $200 right at the start for something that actually costs $60 expedited ($30 if 30-days) through OVIR is a very bad sign.
Once she has the passport, then comes the fun of the visa. Now that may cost you even more...
I was recently trying to get a Ukrainian girl to meet me in Switzerland.
She had a passport, but said she needed 300 Euros to get a visa.
Something about getting a Schengen visa through the Czech embassy.
And they would be creating a "virtual itinerary" (i.e. fictional) with "virtual tickets" to support it.
Yeah, right. I'm going to be asked to pay money for virtual tickets and probably a virtual visa! I'm not the brightest monger, but I'm not quite that dumb!
Then when I actually visited Kiev a month later she did not agree to meet me. Well, I don't know if she was scamming me from the beginning, or just pissed off that I didn't bend over to pay for a crooked visa, or realized that she would have to sleep with me in Kiev to stand a chance to get invited to Europe next time, and it doesn't really matter which it was. She is off the list.
So in any of my "travel companion" ads or e-mails I always say that the girl is responsible for her own Schengen visa (and passport). Even paying for the flight you/we are taking an large risk. Even if she isn't trying to scam you, she is fairly likely to get cold feet or generally just fuck up the arrangements. And although she probably cannot profit by it, you are left with a worthless (probably non-refundable) piece of paper and no travel companion.
Now I have a couple of good prospects that I have actually met, which reduces the chances of being scammed enormously. I mean if the girl has already slept with you, what are the odds she is going to refuse a trip to Paris to do it again?
So King Julian, if your firm does business in Ukraine, meet them there, develop a prospect list, tell them to get international passports (even if you have to give them the $60) THEN invite them to join you in Europe.
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck....
I had this hot girl I met in Kyiv during my last trip. We met for dinner dates twice, once at 7 Samurai and once at Himalaya, not particularly expensive places and she ate like a bird. But then after that I didn't hear from her again for a week. During this time I occasionally called and SMS'ed her she didn't respond. She finally got back in touch with me, seems she had the flu - which considering the time of year might have been a valid excuse. But here is where it gets interesting. She told me how she was running out of money and had to sell her gold ring. I said, gee, that's too bad. If I had known that I could have easily gave or loaned you the $100 you got for the ring. She never really took me up on it. As my trip started to draw to a close I threw it out there that I was more then willing to loan her some money if she need it. I figured it would be a good carrot to get her in the sack. I really wanted to tap her and the window was closing fast. But as happens to me often in Kyiv I got distracted by other girls and never got around to pushing it.
So anyway I'm sitting at home the other day and she pops up on my Skype saying hello after I sent her a few emails. We chatted for a bit and eventually she mentioned how she had to move out of Kyiv to the 'burbs because Kyiv was too expensive for her. She said she hated to ask, but could I help her out. I replied that I had offered when I was in Kyiv and now she would have to wait until I came back in late April.
Paranoid suspensions of a serial dater (myself) or is the girl prideful (Ukrainian) and legit? To be honest I don’t know what to make of her but I am going to do the prudent thing and go with me own advice.
Quack.
AColonizer
03-02-10, 00:59
I saw the the past, I am seeing the future.
But all these saint EE women, have they ever worked and saved some money???
I remember my mother, and my grandmother, and the mothers and the grandmothers of my relatives and friends, all of them worked to buy something, and none of them asked for money to their husbands. And they were coming out from the second world war (does somebody remember that?).
I don't understand why EE women are always ready to ask for money to get anything and why Western men are always ready to satisfy any kind of scam.
Kingjulian
03-02-10, 09:40
Thank you guys for the replies!
I guess that the best thing is meeting with the girl there and only after. A vacation. I only try to give a Chess Mate on the beginning.
Are you familiar with any reliable travel Agency in Ukraine that if in the future I would like to issue her a visa/passport they could handle it? By the way, most of my business is in the US, and Ukraine part is pretty minor, but it still, enforces me to go there.
I also have another thing to advise with the masters. I brought "by coincidence" the possibility of vacation with one of the girls that I was corresponding with (and we had good connection and also talked more than several times on Skype). She liked the idea, but she said that she is it as obvious things that as we hadn't meet yet, I will order two rooms at the hotel What do you think? Or her end she acted the decent way, on my end it was the less preferable course of action.
Bez Bezarra
03-02-10, 12:37
That's what it says now in gotorussia.com. Is it true? Yanukovich already changed it?
That's what it says now in gotorussia.com. Is it true? Yanukovich already changed it?There was a report in 2009 ,that Visas will be needed for the Ukraine ,come 2010.
If it is the same hassle as Belarus ,then fuck it.
But it could also mean that prices will come down for WGs .
That's what it says now in gotorussia.com. Is it true? Yanukovich already changed it?
Relax, Bez, for now and until at least 2012 when the Euro-2012 Football Championships are held, there will likely be no change in the visa-less regime.
In addition Yanukovich went to Brussels yesterday and visa-free travel for Ukrainians to the Schengen zone was on the agenda.
Don't believe everything you read especially from a site that wants your money.
I hold my hands up and have been scammed.
Wanted to meet a Nikolaev Babe from Mambu.ru. Had talked for a year and was supposed to meet in Ukraine but never did. Last minute change of plan. Felt guilty and offered to meet in warsaw but she need visa and international passport and unless you live in Kiev. Then you must use an agency.
So I sent the money. I think I realised it was silly but I took a chance and got burnt. Everyone tells you never send any money. Walk away when you hear "western union" but sometimes shit for brains mode kicks in.
So take it from a fool. Never send money. No matter what carrot is dangled in front of you sex fuelled brain!
All I have for my efforts is some nude photos. Genuine and hot but not worth $300. Maybe I should post them as revenge but. Can PM the photos if anyone wants to share my pain.
Relax, Bez, for now and until at least 2012 when the Euro-2012 Football Championships are held, there will likely be no change in the visa-less regime.
In addition Yanukovich went to Brussels yesterday and visa-free travel for Ukrainians to the Schengen zone was on the agenda.
Don't believe everything you read especially from a site that wants your money.I read somewhere ,that Sarkuzy is pressing for Visa-free travel for Russians to the schengen zone.
Serbians are visa free at the moment ,so the rest will follow.
Thank you guys for the replies!
I guess that the best thing is meeting with the girl there and only after. A vacation.
Are you familiar with any reliable travel Agency in Ukraine that if in the future I would like to issue her a visa/passport they could handle it? By the way, most of my business is in the US, and Ukraine part is pretty minor, but it still, enforces me to go there.
I also have another thing to advise with the masters. I brought "by coincidence" the possibility of vacation with one of the girls that I was corresponding with (and we had good connection and also talked more than several times on Skype). She liked the idea, but she said that she is it as obvious things that as we hadn't meet yet, I will order two rooms at the hotel What do you think? Or her end she acted the decent way, on my end it was the less preferable course of action.Most of the big Kiev travel agencies are reliable: Sam, Tez Tour, Yana, etc. Where is your lady from since if she does not know these Kiev operators, she is in very big trouble as are you.
My advice is to come here, visit with her and to bed her. It should not take too much. If she is an attractive and willing partner, one room is all you need. I have never gone with anyone in all my travels in two rooms. That is for the naive and the incompetent.
If she won't sleep with you, no need to take her anywhere. Don't be a fool.
Jeez, if you have never been scammed you have not lived. This guy deserves a world of credit for fessing up. You on the other hand, are a child or an idiot.
[QUOTE=Uke BoyT
I have never gone with anyone in all my travels in two rooms. That is for the naive and the incompetent.[/QUOTE]Hi UKe Boy,
I always get another room for the girl on my travels. I fuck in one room and sleep in another.
In Kiev nov 09, booked a room on another floor for a girl from Donetsk, after the act, she went to her room to have a shower, rest, make up, etc, and I phoned one girl from Flirt to bang in my room.
So was I naive and incompetent?
I don't think so. I value my sleep and space too much, and the girls love the arrangement.
Jo,
That's fine for you and if you have the money to throw away, then by all means do so. It's your choice.
You also have overlooked the key issue. It is one thing to do this in Ukraine when you come her. It is quite another to do the same if the lady in question needs an air ticket, a visa, a passport and then on top of that another hotel room apart from yours. Also in Julian's case he has never met her and has no idea if they will have any rapport, let alone sex.
I prefer the simple, direct route. When I wake up in the morning, I like someone next to me and then we can get into some immediate action!
Gentleman Travel
03-05-10, 20:17
Jeez, if you have never been scammed you have not lived. This guy deserves a world of credit for fessing up.
I agree with this - you have to take some risks. This sounds like a reasonable risk.
Monsoon had a hot correspondance with her for a year and she was willing to meet him in Ukraine.
It was pretty reasonable to think that she would join him in Warsaw.
It's not like she was insisting on being taken to Paris from the beginning.
Either she was an extremely patient scammer or simply opportunistic - couldn't afford to pass up $300 on a platter.
I would certainly have taken the same risk - at least on the airfare, not paying for her passport & visa.
And frankly, a year's worth of credible fantasy and sexy photos might be worth $300!
Bez Bezarra
03-06-10, 11:43
Jeez, if you have never been scammed you have not lived.
This guy deserves a world of credit for fessing up.
You on the other hand, are a child or an idiot.
Getting taken by a pro is a lesson we all learn, a part of the life of a monger. The price of lust?? Are you kidding? Can you be THAT naive, to not realize he is possibly at least the 10th loser to fall for her slick bullshit?? She's probably some vor's mother. He DESERVED to get robbed. They are fucking laughing at him!
A "world of credit"? No. Sorry, that's really overdoing it!
The expectation of ISG membership is to share successes AND failures, with your fellow brothers.
If you wanna give the guy credit, he needs to post the nastiest photos he's got of that thieving trixy witch of a wh0re.:mad: $300 bucks?? She needs a good beating. :)
Dice always tells it like it is, if you can't take it, go back to kindergarten and hide under your mama's skirts. Ya can't whine like a wimp, or you sound like a girl.
Please don't take it personally, its just business. :D
The real lesson to learn, is that its up to YOU, the monger, to go TO THE GIRL. That's the adventure!! Go somewhere totally new! Do NOT take the easy way out, and send her money to meet you in Poland. Go to HER city. Chance are 100% that even if you don't end up fucking HER, you'll meet 5 others girls there that you WILL fuck.
Whether you want to blow A LOT of extra cash to pay for TWO apartments, well, that's a new twist JoJo. Over two or three weeks, that's just way too much money that could be used for many new sponsorships. A good flat in the center costs more than my R/T plane fare, the only thing that I spend more on than my apt are the dollies. I have NEVER had one lady that wanted her OWN room. Institute students MUST go back to their dorm or doma mama to sleep anyway, or they get in big trouble that they don't need. If mama goes to wake her up in the morning and she's NOT there? Ouch! She's gonna get it, cause then mama KNOWS she's had her knickers down. So that's how I gets me sleep.
Sorry Yucca-Boy, but the only thing I'm ready for when I wake up is a painkiller for my enormous hangover, a cup of mocha, and to take a crap. Then I gotta clean the whole fucking place up after the night's sick twisted debauchery, used condoms everywhere, chicken bones, pillows and wet towels all over the floor, broken beer bottles, baseball caps, cigarettes, toenail clippings, cameras, blood on the walls, cheese, lube, puke and come stains, you know, the usual aftermath of a quiet evening at home's family entertainment in the glorious motherland. ;)
Besides, by around noon, I've usually got the next tramp heading over for a box lunch to drain my sack. :confused:
Sorry Yuck-Boy, but the only thing I'm ready for when I wake up is a painkiller for my enormous hangover, a cup of mocha, and to take a crap. Then I gotta clean the whole fucking place up after the night's sick twisted debauchery, used condoms everywhere, chicken bones, pillows and wet towels all over the floor, broken beer bottles, baseball caps, cigarettes, toenail clippings, cameras, blood on the walls, cheese, lube, puke and come stains, you know, the usual aftermath of a quiet evening at home's family entertainment in the glorious motherland. ;)
Besides, by around noon, I've usually got the next tramp heading over for a box lunch to drain my sack. :confused:Now this all makes sense about you, Bez. You video your encounters since you can't remember them the next morning. :p
I'd hate to be the cleaning lady. :eek:
Subaculture
03-09-10, 19:40
Party of the Regions supporting a law to reinstate visas for western Europe, USA etc.
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2010/01/29/4685286/
Doctor_Skank
03-09-10, 19:42
Party of the Regions supporting a law to reinstate visas for western Europe, USA etc.
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2010/01/29/4685286/Virtually impossible with the EURO 2012 football championships coming up.
It's just pravda's wishful thinking.
Personally I wouldn't mind if they brought them back though... .)
Party of the Regions supporting a law to reinstate visas for western Europe, USA etc.
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2010/01/29/4685286/
This article is already ancient history coming out on January 29, well BEFORE the election. It was just another one of those attempts at electoral populism by one side or the other that would have no chance of passing as a law.
Not only will there be no change to the no-visa policy for the time being due to Euro-2012, but Yanukovich is talking up the possibility of Ukrainians traveling to Europe without visas. That can only happen if the no-visa policy is maintained.
By the way, just scroll down a week of posts and RTFF - we discussed this already.
I agree with you Doc, the old visa system should be re-instituted. It would keep out lots of the riff-raff!
This article is already ancient history coming out on January 29, well BEFORE the election. It was just another one of those attempts at electoral populism by one side or the other that would have no chance of passing as a law.
Not only will there be no change to the no-visa policy for the time being due to Euro-2012, but Yanukovich is talking up the possibility of Ukrainians traveling to Europe without visas. That can only happen if the no-visa policy is maintained.
By the way, just scroll down a week of posts and RTFF - we discussed this already.
I agree with you Doc, the old visa system should be re-instituted. It would keep out lots of the riff-raff!It will mean Cheaper prices as well.
The visa issue is just political football. The Ukrainians are trying to angle for passport free travel to Europe by saying hey, if we don't get it we are going to yank our visa free travel. Yawn, good idea for Ukraine, probably not. Good idea for Cruiser D who doesn't mind mailing his passport and $100 to the Ukrainian consulate - yes. :) It's a lot better then that horrible airport visa/tax you have to stand in line to pay.
This article is already ancient history coming out on January 29, well BEFORE the election. It was just another one of those attempts at electoral populism by one side or the other that would have no chance of passing as a law.
Not only will there be no change to the no-visa policy for the time being due to Euro-2012, but Yanukovich is talking up the possibility of Ukrainians traveling to Europe without visas. That can only happen if the no-visa policy is maintained.
By the way, just scroll down a week of posts and RTFF - we discussed this already.
I agree with you Doc, the old visa system should be re-instituted. It would keep out lots of the riff-raff!
AColonizer
03-13-10, 23:12
Finally, is there or isn't there Ukrainian visa for Western Europeans?
Finally, is there or isn't there Ukrainian visa for Western Europeans?
It's only the Italians who need a visa...:rolleyes:
Seriously the visa situation is the following.
With new president and prime minister and 2012 football championship
no body thinks about introducing visas since it can reduce the number of visitors. But the idea is to introduce some kind of entry tax which foreigners will pay when entering Ukraine. Somebody watched the statistic which showed that in 2008 Ukraine was visited by 19 million foreign tourist (in 2009 the number is probably less). So if all of this 19 million pay entry tax in the amount of 10$, 20$, 100$ or whatever amount there will be plenty of money. But they probably didn't see that from this 19 million foreign tourist came from FSU and only 700 000 had the real foreign passport. From this 700 000 some 400 000 were former citizens of Ukraine with new citizenship arriving mostly to visit relatives thus not being the real tourists who will spend much money in UA. So there were some 300 000 real foreigners coming to Ukraine in 2008 as tourist mostly being sex tourist and not spending their vacation at Black Sea coast.
If the entry tax is introduced, Russia can object it since russian travelers makes the majority of "foreigners" in Ukraine and also there are many family ties. No body wants to pay entry tax to visit relatives.
On the other hand 2012 football championship os cohosted with Poland and for example if Ukrainian or Russian football fan wants to visit a game in Poland there will be a EU visa thing. So great majority of people who will watch the game in Ukraine will be local (they will not pay the entry tax) and russian fans (doubt there will be any tax for them).
I would like to visit Ukraine this summer I'm a blackbrit I won't get beat up by Neo Nazi types will I? Ukraine looks pretty good from what I have seen. Ukraine also has beautiful women all positive comments will be appreciated.
I would like to visit Ukraine this summer I'm a blackbrit I won't get beat up by Neo Nazi types will I? Ukraine looks pretty good from what I have seen. Ukraine also has beautiful women all positive comments will be appreciated.There is a minor element of Racism in Ukraine but you should be fine. Of course the underlying tension is not obvious to whiteskinned people as I experienced with an Indian friend of mine a few years ago who "ducked in to a cafe" when some skinheads were in the area as I didn't notice them at all. It left me a little shocked that as you call yourself "blackbrits" still have to consider dangers not relevant to us but as keeping a low profile is advice given to every visitor to Ukraine, you shouldn't worry.
But the idea is to introduce some kind of entry tax which foreigners will pay when entering Ukraine. So if all of this 19 million pay entry tax in the amount of 10$, 20$, 100$ or whatever amount there will be plenty of money. But they probably didn't see that from this 19 million foreign tourist came from FSU and only 700 000 had the real foreign passport.
Given the government's dire economic situation, if there is an entry tax, it will be applied to everyone with a non-Ukrainian passport.
What may happen is a sliding scale of fees depending on your mode of travel. If you take the train (or bus) from Russia or Belarus, which is used by most people, the payment would be minimal or maybe not at all. This one is a very tough call.
If you come by car, that would be another story and could be charged without the issue of nationality (excepting Ukrainians). The highest of all charges would be at the airports. This is how most "rich" foreigners would be coming in and this could turn into a substantial source of funds.
Since this is Ukraine we are talking about, an additional queue manned by the usual slow and incompetent personnel at the airport before the nightmare that is passport control would make life truly miserable there.
Question to those that have travled the region: Ukraine? Hungury? Russia? Romania? Somewhere else?
I have been to Brazil, Thailand, Cambodia, Budapest and have been with Ukranians in Dominican Republic.
I now want to hit 1 or 2 places in Eastern Europe to visit these beauties in their homeland.
What country (or city) do you think offers the best selection, ease or operation (locating talent) and all around best attitude, willingness and beauty. Beauty and attitude being the most important.
Price is always a consideration. But not necessarily the most important.
Would really appreciate any suggestions on the best way to go!
Thanks,
MG
Question to those that have travled the region: Ukraine? Hungury? Russia? Romania? Somewhere else?
I have been to Brazil, Thailand, Cambodia, Budapest and have been with Ukranians in Dominican Republic.
I now want to hit 1 or 2 places in Eastern Europe to visit these beauties in their homeland.
What country (or city) do you think offers the best selection, ease or operation (locating talent) and all around best attitude, willingness and beauty. Beauty and attitude being the most important.
Price is always a consideration. But not necessarily the most important.
Would really appreciate any suggestions on the best way to go!
Thanks,
MGYou've been to all these countries and you posted only 5 reports?
You've been to all these countries and you posted only 5 reports?I am ashamed to confirm that that is true. It does seem to be unfair to ask for advice when I have given so little. I am sorry, I just do not find it compelling or comfortable to write about my activities. You are right to criticize.
M
I am ashamed to confirm that that is true. It does seem to be unfair to ask for advice when I have given so little. I am sorry, I just do not find it compelling or comfortable to write about my activities. You are right to criticize.
MAnd the rest of us are so right in not answering your request. This a forum where contributions are essential. If you do not feel comfortable in contributing, you should not ask for help.
And the rest of us are so right in not answering your request. This a forum where contributions are essential. If you do not feel comfortable in contributing, you should not ask for help.Fair enough. I shall endevor to do better! In BBK now, will add one about this trip today, I stand corrected.
M
Longhardlook
03-25-10, 19:44
Hello Uke Boy,
As I am flying into Kiev soon for the first time, the more I read about this shitty airport the more I'm dreading it. Apparantly around $200US is the normal fee to pay any Tour agency (who presumably has the right connections) to be whisked through passport control, baggage and customs in a reasonable amount of time. Allowing this to go on I'm afraid, says a lot about the country.
G
<<Since this is Ukraine we are talking about, an additional queue manned by the usual slow and incompetent personnel at the airport before the nightmare that is passport control would make life truly miserable there.
Hello Uke Boy,
As I am flying into Kiev soon for the first time, the more I read about this shitty airport the more I'm dreading it. Apparantly around $200US is the normal fee to pay any Tour agency (who presumably has the right connections) to be whisked through passport control, baggage and customs in a reasonable amount of time. Allowing this to go on I'm afraid, says a lot about the country.It's crap but the big problem is just the time it takes sometimes to get through passport control and customs, not to mention waiting for the baggage.
It is a crap shoot but just not worth the $200. Just be patient, move with the passport control queue, wait for your luggage (you could be lucky) and just pass through the green line in customs. At worst, from deplaning to the exit could be about an hour maximum.
It is just a bigger pain for those of us who go back and forth all the time and have to face this ugliness with some frequency. But a one-off such as yours is not an issue.
It's crap but the big problem is just the time it takes sometimes to get through passport control and customs, not to mention waiting for the baggage.
It is a crap shoot but just not worth the $200. Just be patient, move with the passport control queue, wait for your luggage (you could be lucky) and just pass through the green line in customs. At worst, from deplaning to the exit could be about an hour maximum.
It is just a bigger pain for those of us who go back and forth all the time and have to face this ugliness with some frequency. But a one-off such as yours is not an issue.
Completely agree. Once I whisked through in just 15 minutes from off plane to on the road. Last time it was 50 minutes to get through immigratsiya alone. And don't think the luggage return display is 100% accurate - twice my flight's luggage has turned up on the wrong carousel, so if you're waiting more than 5 minutes just walk up and down all of them!
Save the $200 for a night out - or in :)
HunterDave
03-26-10, 01:46
Hello Uke Boy,
As I am flying into Kiev soon for the first time, the more I read about this shitty airport the more I'm dreading it. Apparantly around $200US is the normal fee to pay any Tour agency (who presumably has the right connections) to be whisked through passport control, baggage and customs in a reasonable amount of time. Allowing this to go on I'm afraid, says a lot about the country.Longhardlook,
Don't worry, it is not that bad. Just try to be near the bus door for the ride from the plane and try to get to the front of the line for non Ukrainians thru passport control. Make sure you complete on the plane the 'rinky dink' Customs form they give you enroute. The Customs people do look closely at the passport, but the line while slow does move (so get to the front of the line if possible). Once thru Passport control, your bags should be there for pickup. Remember to pick up a couple of the 'free' Kiev maps they have on numerous racks. It helps to have one when out walking in Kiev to help orient one's self. You will have to have your baggage run thru a scanner once you link up with it, but then you should be able to move past the inspection lines unless they pull you in. Just look normal and you should walk right out. I travelled to Kiev 4 times last year and the longest time to get thru plus grab my bag has been 35-45 minutes. Once outside I have the apartment rental agency have a car and driver there to wisk me into the city. I have had 4 painless entrys thru KBP airport. You may need to pick up some grivna, but I have always agreed to pay my driver in $$ and then convert my dollars near the city center where the exchange rate is always better.
Once at my apartment I pick up needed supplies (exchange $$, phone top off, some basic food). When topping off your phone check to see if they have any delas running (last year LG had a deal for you to pay 35 rph and you got 70 rph worth of calls. Not sure if this is still the case). You may need to pick up cheap phone or bring your own unlocked phone. Good luck and let us know how things go.
Hunter
Longhardlook
03-28-10, 15:59
Guys, thanks for the comments.
As my trip is for only for 4 days I think then I will leave the big suitcase behind and travel lightly with only handluggage.
Waiting up to around an hour to get through is sort of okay, I thought it may have been much longer than that after reading about that optional $200 fast track through the airport fee.
So once off the plane it is suvival of the fittest! I can do that.
Regards
Longhardlook,
Don't worry, it is not that bad. Just try to be near the bus door for the ride from the plane and try to get to the front of the line for non Ukrainians thru passport control. Make sure you complete on the plane the 'rinky dink' Customs form they give you enroute. The Customs people do look closely at the passport, but the line while slow does move (so get to the front of the line if possible). Once thru Passport control, your bags should be there for pickup. Remember to pick up a couple of the 'free' Kiev maps they have on numerous racks. It helps to have one when out walking in Kiev to help orient one's self. You will have to have your baggage run thru a scanner once you link up with it, but then you should be able to move past the inspection lines unless they pull you in. Just look normal and you should walk right out. I travelled to Kiev 4 times last year and the longest time to get thru plus grab my bag has been 35-45 minutes. Once outside I have the apartment rental agency have a car and driver there to wisk me into the city. I have had 4 painless entrys thru KBP airport. You may need to pick up some grivna, but I have always agreed to pay my driver in $$ and then convert my dollars near the city center where the exchange rate is always better.
Once at my apartment I pick up needed supplies (exchange $$, phone top off, some basic food). When topping off your phone check to see if they have any delas running (last year LG had a deal for you to pay 35 rph and you got 70 rph worth of calls. Not sure if this is still the case). You may need to pick up cheap phone or bring your own unlocked phone. Good luck and let us know how things go.
Hunter
Tradewinds
04-01-10, 23:44
I have been visiting Kiev on many occasions in the last 12 months, love the country for many reasons, two most importantly, women and general cost of living. I am seriously thinking of moving permanently to Ukraine permanently and buying a property, so I would love to hear from anybody who has moved there.
I am in Kiev about 2 to 3 times a month. Please contact me, I need to pick your brains.
Here is one I am currently enjoying.
Cheers Trade
Question to those that have travled the region: Ukraine? Hungury? Russia? Romania? Somewhere else?
I have been to Brazil, Thailand, Cambodia, Budapest and have been with Ukranians in Dominican Republic.
I now want to hit 1 or 2 places in Eastern Europe to visit these beauties in their homeland.
What country (or city) do you think offers the best selection, ease or operation (locating talent) and all around best attitude, willingness and beauty. Beauty and attitude being the most important.
Price is always a consideration. But not necessarily the most important.
Would really appreciate any suggestions on the best way to go!
Thanks,
MG
Hello Sirnoir,
I've been in 3 of the 4 countries you mention.
Best in these countries is to speak their language, you will get a better price...
Russia would be very good for the price, if you don't go to Moskow and St-Petersburg and if you are able to speak at least average level of Russian...Furthermore you need a visa which will make everything a bit more complicated....
Ukraine would be very good too as most of Europeans don't need a visa or if you need one, that would be easier to get than the Russian one. That will depend on your nationality.
Price would be better in other cities than kiev and Odessa. Go to Kharkov or Dnepropetrovsk, but you really have to be able to speak Russian, otherwise you will pay more and everything will be more complicated.
For the other countries, better to forgotten them...
This is my very first post here. I'm a very long time lurker on this type of sites. Although I've been a member on Jackson's USA board several years now.
I've been a very long time lurker and incidental poster on many
ru dot net places and dating sites, chat sites, sex sites, and 'marriage' sites over the last ten years. If you want sites I can list many OCHEN OCHEN!
I've written many (moshinittsas?) bitches over the last ten years.
I think it started around back in 2000 for me, when I posted a personals ad on match dot com. The only replys I got after two months was from some young woman in Ukraine who was probably a scammer. But she was very sexy and her photos were nice. From then on I was hooked, and over the last ten years I've spent thousands of dollars and made a couple of decent online friends.
I'd like to take a trip to Ukraine before 2012, even though I feel I might have missed some of the golden times of the last ten years.
Bez Bezarra
04-22-10, 12:24
I've been a very long time poster on many ru dot net places dating sites, chat sites, sex sites, and 'marriage' sites over the last ten years.
From then on I've spent thousands of dollars online.
Thousands of dollars spent over 10 years of jerking off to russian sex websites, but you never had the sand to put down your little mouse and pack a suitcase to go over there and fuck a real human female for $80.
Well, at least you're finally ready now. You're the perfect type to go over and hang out with the bragger crew that can't post fotos. Hook up with them, and you'll be posting incredible stories.
I'd like to take a trip to Ukraine before 2012, even though I feel I might have missed some of the golden times of the last ten years.I hate to tell you this but the golden time was before 2002...1995 until maybe 2002 was pure heaven. So what the hell were you sitting on your ass for during the last 10 years and why are you waiting two more years before you would come over? What are you afraid of, real live in-the-flesh girls?
I hate to tell you this but the golden time was before 2002...1995 until maybe 2002 was pure heaven. So what the hell were you sitting on your ass for during the last 10 years and why are you waiting two more years before you would come over? What are you afraid of, real live in-the-flesh girls?No. Please say that's not true. Please don't say that golden times are over!
Not afraid of live women, just had other commitments. I got by reading the wonderful sex adventures and stories of others and forgot about making my own.
Now I'm making my own. Have had several here in north america and soon hopefully in Europe.
By the way is Odessa a good place for meeting women? Have seen so many sexy women from there on the internet.
Odessa and Nikolaev seem loaded with sexy women. Maybe better than Kiev?
Thousands of dollars spent over 10 years of jerking off to russian sex websites, but you never had the sand to put down your little mouse and pack a suitcase to go over there and fuck a real human female for $80.
Well, at least you're finally ready now. You're the perfect type to go over and hang out with the bragger crew that can't post fotos. Hook up with them, and you'll be posting incredible stories.Hey Bez Bezarra, thanks for taking it easy on me as a first time poster here.
I know I'm no legend like you or anything. I'm just a dumb tourist.
I see you have so many great posts on people's adventures and your girls photos.
Hey maybe that popular Ukraine TV show, what's it called (The Rok Factory?) or ZhiRok Fabruka (mamba dyevs on ua flirt tell me how they like it), will hire you as extra judge. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Then you can tell everyone how you really think? OK?, ok.
Like this poor little sweet dyev Darina:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Hmvxywklc
No. Please say that's not true. Please don't say that golden times are over!
Not afraid of live women, just had other commitments. I got by reading the wonderful sex adventures and stories of others and forgot about making my own.
Now I'm making my own. Have had several here in north america and soon hopefully in Europe.
By the way is Odessa a good place for meeting women? Have seen so many sexy women from there on the internet.
Odessa and Nikolaev seem loaded with sexy women. Maybe better than Kiev?Sorry but the real golden times really really really are over and done with, and forever! That's not to say things are worse now, you will be paying a much higher price for less or even worse services. Otherwise, the ladies are just as gorgeous, so that has not changed.
As for the Odessa/Nikolayev question, it has been discussed here ad nauseum so all you need do is RTFF since it seems you enjoy reading more than doing. All your questions will actually be answered and then some.
Bez Bezarra
04-27-10, 03:54
Hey Bez Bezarra, thanks for taking it easy on me.
I know I'm just a dumb tourist.
I see your girls photos. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Y Y Whiner.
I beg your forgiveness for my despicable merciless and vicious extermination of your reputation.
Oh, woe is me! The error of mis-guided ways!!
Oh, you are absolutely the bravest most courageous monger that has ever posted on ISG.
Your plan to travel to Ukraine in 2012 is by far the most daring and reckless adventure that anyone could ever imagine in their wildest fantasy.
In all my life, I have never been so inspired by your go-for-it spirit and true bravery, I insist on nominating you, oh hell, who needs to vote, just skip the election, straight to your immediately coronation as the new Tsar of all Tsars, the greatest monger in the history of the Universe!
I blindly throw myself at your feet and command all mongers of ISG to submit to your leadership and pledge lifelong loyalty to the death, because YOU ARE A GOLDEN GOD!!!!
For years, I mongered in my home base, with absolutely no self-control. There were days when three different tramps would require my service, their boyfriends threatening to murder me, but I did my duty. A decade of decadent debauchery without limits.
When I started traveling, I was just a tourist. Not dumb, but still, a tourist. Unforgettable diving in Andros, Caymans, Cozumel, surfing in Povones and Barbados.
Then I read ISG, somehow found myself in a quiet little Sosua massage health center, met a first day on the job 87 pound haitian tight squirting spinner with long curly brown hair, large bulbous breasts, and a 28 inch waist. I lifted her up onto the massage table, and as my nut blast-busted in the midst of twisting her into a steaming hot salty pretzel, the Jackson miracle of transformation was bestowed, I was not a tourist anymore.
But you, for you, that moment, it is destined never to be.
No Jackson to cross you over, you, shall not, pass.
Gentleman Travel
04-28-10, 17:40
You just got to love Ukrainian parliamentarians.
The recent debate about Black Sea bases really brought out the best in them.
The cut and thrust of debate in the Rada is really unmatched elsewhere in the world.
Are we all glad they no longer control any nuclear weapons?
Bez Bezarra
04-29-10, 03:52
They'll be tactical nukes, at least, in the Russian navy ships and subs that the Rada was fighting over to keep in Sevastopol and Odessa.
You left out the photo of the umbrellas they used to deflect the eggs their esteemed colleagues were hurling at each other.
Gentleman Travel
04-30-10, 17:54
They'll be tactical nukes, at least, in the Russian navy ships and subs that the Rada was fighting over to keep in Sevastopol and Odessa.
You left out the photo of the umbrellas they used to deflect the eggs their esteemed colleagues were hurling at each other.
The really impressive thing is that they thought ahead to bring umbrellas into the chamber!
And yes, the Black Sea fleet will/does have nukes.
But those will be in under Russian control, not Commanders answering to these bozos!
The Speaker of the Rada is cowering under the umbrella in the photo below...
Schluckerl
05-03-10, 00:25
Hello Insiders!
Is there any Information about Casinos in Kiev?...Are they still open or closed?
I will be in Kiev in June for some days.
Thanks for Information
Hello Insiders!
Is there any Information about Casinos in Kiev?...Are they still open or closed?
I will be in Kiev in June for some days.
Thanks for InformationThey are still all quite closed and will be for the foreseeable future. Some discussion has gone on about opening them in resort areas such as Crimea and some other special zones. The good news is that you can use your money on the ladies, instead.
Schluckerl
05-03-10, 16:13
Thanks for information. So I have more time and more money for hunting.
Thanks for information. So I have more time and more money for hunting.You sound very disappointed! :(
They are still all quite closed and will be for the foreseeable future. Some discussion has gone on about opening them in resort areas such as Crimea and some other special zones. The good news is that you can use your money on the ladies, instead.When I was in Kiev, Nov 09, the barman gave a card for a new Poker Club. Not a strip poker club, but a proper card club.
The reason he gave the card, was to contact the manager of the said club to fix me up with some girls.
He even told me that a Poker club wil be open soon in the hotel I was staying at.
I didn't stay long enough to find out.
When I was in Kiev, Nov 09, the barman gave a card for a new Poker Club. Not a strip poker club, but a proper card club.I am not a player so I can't comment as an expert on the existence of such clubs. From what I do know and hear, there are "clubs" and "internet-based games of chance" clubs and maybe other such variations trying to get around the law.
The problem here is that when the authorities are in need of showing that there is action, they raid these clubs and arrest everyone. However, a player may be willing to risk the odds. The other problem is that once you go underground and are not regulated (at least minimally by the state) the chances of highly dishonest operators rises tremendously. This is an even worse scenario.
However, if all you are doing at the card club is a sure bet on the lady, that is the best bet of all, money spent wisely and the return could well be tremendous. It is a gamble worth taking with the odds in your favor!
Schluckerl
05-05-10, 06:30
Not really disappointed, but.
I never played in underground in another country, but it was nice to play in RP in the first floor. Win some bucks and take a girl at home!
I'm heading to ukraine in 3 months
The average monthly wage in ukraine is roughly 500$
What what do girls charge per night? It seems alot of them are asking for 500$/night which is silly when comparing to their average wage
Which is the best place to visit in terms of price and quality? Some forums suggested not to visit Kiev and focus more on lugansk
Is it better to visit in summmer or winter? In winter are there less tourist and does that push prices down if so what will be the average price for a girl/night
Cheers
I'm heading to ukraine in 3 months
The average monthly wage in ukraine is roughly 500$
What what do girls charge per night? It seems alot of them are asking for 500$/night which is silly when comparing to their average wage
Which is the best place to visit in terms of price and quality? Some forums suggested not to visit Kiev and focus more on lugansk
Is it better to visit in summmer or winter? In winter are there less tourist and does that push prices down if so what will be the average price for a girl/night
Cheersnot more than 2000griwna. It's my personal maximum. Many girls will agree with 2000. If you go to River Palace they start with 350$ or something like this. The price also depends what you want(anal.). For 3500 you get already 24h with the girl.
I prever Girls from mamba, because there you can write her, and if she do not speak so good english, she will use an translator, so this will be easier for both of you.
Clarify the service before you give her the money!
If you talk about prices this is like on a bazar. Ok, with the escort agencies I think you can't trade.
Places:
Up to now, I just have been in Kiev and no other cities in the ukraine, so here I can't help you. If you use mamba, you can also contact girls all over the ukraine, so you can check on this way the prices.
Winter/summer:
I prefer spring and summer. I have been in Kiev on frebruary, it was not so good(I mean the weather), the girls was OK. The adavantage in Summer: the skirts are shorter, but many also wear in winter short ones. But I like spring and summer, you can see more!
Greetings from Kiev
Today is my last night(for this time)
I'm heading to ukraine in 3 months
The average monthly wage in ukraine is roughly 500$
What what do girls charge per night? It seems alot of them are asking for 500$/night which is silly when comparing to their average wage
Which is the best place to visit in terms of price and quality? Some forums suggested not to visit Kiev and focus more on lugansk
Is it better to visit in summmer or winter? In winter are there less tourist and does that push prices down if so what will be the average price for a girl/night
Cheers
Unless you speak some Russian I would strongly suggest that you stick to Kiev, Lugansk, Kharkov and other provinces may be a good options for p4p but some knowledge of Russian is necessary in order to live there and negotiate with the girls. I personally would prefer summer to go (because of the eye candy in the streets, malls, beaches and other similar places) but I am not an Ukraine expert, so maybe the others can give you more detailed information.
not more than 2000griwna. it's my personal maximum. many girls will agree with 2000. if you go to river palace they start with 350$ or something like this. the price also depends what you want(anal.). for 3500 you get already 24h with the girl.
i prever girls from mamba, because there you can write her, and if she do not speak so good english, she will use an translator, so this will be easier for both of you.
clarify the service before you give her the money!
if you talk about prices this is like on a bazar. ok, with the escort agencies i think you can't trade.
places:
up to now, i just have been in kiev and no other cities in the ukraine, so here i can't help you. if you use mamba, you can also contact girls all over the ukraine, so you can check on this way the prices.
winter/summer:
i prefer spring and summer. i have been in kiev on frebruary, it was not so good(i mean the weather), the girls was ok. the adavantage in summer: the skirts are shorter, but many also wear in winter short ones. but i like spring and summer, you can see more!
greetings from kiev
today is my last night(for this time)
prices
of course they are various and go from nearly 0 (just a dinner) to .... a day...
in these days i got quotation of 800 griv a night (anal inclusve and bbbj) surely not a beauty (4-5) but with dd boobs... and 18-19. but young and solid if you care more for attitude...
a very nice blondinocka in the 8.5-9 range asked me 2500 griv overnight, but no anal... bbbj was ok.
i got also a more "normal" quotation of a real sponsoring fee of 300 usd/day from a nice soft blonde 22/160/60 d cups girl... including all holes unlimited even sexual photos... :) as you know sometimes i love skinny models (165/45) some times soft ones (160/60/dd is perfect) soft petite supetitted blondes are among my favourites. :p :p
let's say then that you have to do a lot of home work if you do not want to go to river palace or similar... for getting 5 sure contacts and 5 sure backups you have at least to get in touch with 100 alredy selected girls. that is the reason i keep som contacts for years... one is tigressa not a beauty but a real pig... 23/171/68/ddd, let's say 6 or so but very very energetic... i love the watermelons up and down... 107 cm in bust... :p 200 usd a night
tried with a real doll a wonderful petite ([CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) style 18 y.o. 155/42/a cups or so pale white blondinka) totally crazy asking me 200 usd/hour sex and bj only of course a stunner but not worth the price!
it's just an opinion but 300 usd/day 2400 griv... is a fair compromise for a 24 h total rental...
you know you can compare car market to girl ones...
getting a lift = a freebie just for fun a dinner and so like everywhere...
taking a taxi = a hour/based pro...
renting a car = sponsoring 1-2 days... may be a week vacation to turkey
buying a car = keeping the sponsorette with you for long time (months...)
sees harsh but it's so...
by the way i got strange messages from girls i alredy railed some yeas ago nearly threating me because they are married now... not my fault if they are still on mamaba/flirt and seeking for guys! :( probably they do not want that their husbands come to know what they were doing... exactly like iriska in moscow... but she wanted to make sex for $$$ even if married (i denied)
it
Hello fellow mongers,
I am planning to meet with a freebie who lives in Zaporizhzhya, but I read that it is an industrial town with litttle interest.
What other city could you recommend where we could meet, that has some beauty and touristic interest, and that the girl can easily reach from Zaporizhzhya ?
By the way. Many girls seem to be fed up with people who connect on the internet but never show up. I have the impression that 75% of the success in Ukraine is just showing up!
Kind regards.
B.B.
Hello fellow mongers, What other city could you recommend where we could meet, that has some beauty and touristic interest, and that the girl can easily reach from Zaporizhzhya ?
Kind regards.
B.B.If you are planning on meeting her this summer, make arrangements to take her to or meet with her in Yalta or another of the Crimean resorts. This is perhaps your bet bet since there really is nothing else worthwhile close to Zaporozhiye. And, yes, it is terrible there.
If it does not work with her at least there will be mucho eye candy in Yalta as well as opportunity - and you get a nice holiday as part of the package.
Many girls seem to be fed up with people who connect on the internet but never show up. I have the impression that 75% of the success in Ukraine is just showing up!
Before 2003, maybe.
Girls can be just as big of flakes or ever worst, scammers, than the guys. It cuts both ways.
It would be wise for you to have a plan B C and D yourself.
It's true that they are tired of men writing saying "I'll be in Kiev soon" etc. Best to time your Mamba spam 7-10 days before arrival to get a higher level of interest.
Hello fellow mongers,
I am planning to meet with a freebie who lives in Zaporizhzhya, but I read that it is an industrial town with litttle interest.
What other city could you recommend where we could meet, that has some beauty and touristic interest, and that the girl can easily reach from Zaporizhzhya ?
By the way. Many girls seem to be fed up with people who connect on the internet but never show up. I have the impression that 75% of the success in Ukraine is just showing up!
Kind regards.
B.B.
Pistolpete76
05-24-10, 15:25
I am planing a trip to the Ukraine (Kiev) for the next month and I need some advise.
- Where is it easy to find girls? Streetwalker, Clubs, Internet?
- Do the hotels allow you to take the girls overnight? Do you have to pay extra for that?
- What are the rates per our/night?
- Do I better go to Odessa or some other areas?
It was not a very frutiful trip, mongering that is. Was 'in country' for 72 hours with an overnight in Kiev on Sunday. Stayed at the Dnipro, girls no longer allowed in lobyy, according to the shoeshine guy! Decided to treat myself to a good massage by hotel masseuse. 400 grivnas for a good 1 hour massage (by Ukrainian standards), a gentle push of her hands to my "John Thomas" (think Monty Python!), and a very happy ending.
A weak report, but a good ending, ROI excellent.
TTFN
Europe74
Mellowtrax
06-05-10, 14:37
I am planing a trip to the Ukraine (Kiev) for the next month and I need some advise.
- Where is it easy to find girls? Streetwalker, Clubs, Internet?
- Do the hotels allow you to take the girls overnight? Do you have to pay extra for that?
- What are the rates per our/night?
- Do I better go to Odessa or some other areas?Hi Pete,
I don't know if you still need answers, but recently returned from Kiev (my second stay there) this is what I experienced:
- You can practically find girls anywhere: Streetwalkers, clubs, the metro etc.). Personally, I didn't pick up any streetwalkers or in the clubs, but most of the time I was accompanied with another girl. If you're going for long term "packages" and don't want to use girls from Top-models or Gia Escort, I advise you to find them on Mamba/Flirt. Having your dates, back up plan etc. set up before arriving will make your stay less stressfull. However, if you prefer hunting you should be able to find girls in the clubs or on Khreshchatyk Street/Independence Square, but as a first time traveller (don't know about your Russian skills) I suppose you prefer a safe deal.
- Many hotels allow you to take girls to the room, but in most cases you must pay security. How much depends on the hotel, but I think it's somewhere between 10-30 USD. Furthermore, some hotels don't allow guests after 11 p.m. If you have the choice I would rent an apartment instead of staying in a hotel. There are many nice apartments with security (some of them also offer breakfast) in the city centre, and you can freely take girls to your apartment.
- The rates per hour/night depends on many things (your negotiation skills, the girl, which services do you want etc.). Personally, I don't speak any Russian and have found girls on Mamba/Flirt, Top-models and Gia Escort:
Gia: The price is expensive (from 140-200 USD per hour), but you actually get the girls you order and she provides the services in her profile... but be careful: As it is said before the photos are heavily photoshopped!
Top-models: The price starts from 50 USD per hour (taxi not included). I only spent 1 hour with these girls. However, most girls don't match the photos in their profiles - even the profiles with "Real photo" - they don't provide all the services listed and they don't speak any English. I have tried 5 girls from this site, and none of them matched the photos in their profile (only 1 of them was actually better looking than the girl I asked for). Most of the girls don't French kiss, and none of them perform BBBJ.
Mamba/Flirt: Personally, I prefer to find girls from this site, both short term (1 or 2 hours) and long term (1 day or more). I found 2 girls (both for 1 hour) for 60 USD and 80 USD, taxi included, for oral/classic. Only one of them performed BBBJ. I also had 2 long term relationships (1 day and 2 day), everything included (BBBJ, anal, CIM). 1 day was 300 USD and for 2 days 500 USD. You can find cheaper deals, of course, but as I wrote before the price depends on so many things.
- I have only been to Kiev and can't comment on Odessa or other areas.
I hope you can use some of the information above. Send me a PM if you have any further questions.
Mellowtrax
Doctor_Skank
06-05-10, 14:37
It's true that they are tired of men writing saying "I'll be in Kiev soon" etc. Best to time your Mamba spam 7-10 days before arrival to get a higher level of interest.Yep. Anything earlier is wasting everybody's time.
it's true that they are tired of men writing saying "i'll be in kiev soon" etc. best to time your mamba spam 7-10 days before arrival to get a higher level of interest.when hunting, due to the 10 messages a day limit on flirt (or mamba is the same), i start messaging when i know when i have to go to kiev, so i can tell a proper day.
in the past i have been very lucky: piglets like inga (you met her at arena, not a beaty, but sex addicted and a real cum dump) or the heavvy duty rider miss u. (we both boned her holes) or even [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)... and that beauty of ivol (mogahony red, frecled, 163/47 pale white and pink :p)... and mt or katya and nastya.
now i keep contacts with the boned ones... ;) as backups, only some unfortunately, the best ones disappeard... but searching for 18-9 teens with not a big success...
yep it's fun drilling a girl like tigressa (posted some photos... full figured, nearly a bbw) with monstrous watermelons, not a beauty but very very skilled. but now i'm trying to go for the [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) style teens :p still not with big luck.
by the way il miss u. disappeard from mamba/flirt some months ago, do you still have her contacts? could you pm them to me? owe you a beer next time ;)
it
I was recently in Kiev and thought it was the best as I bedded one freebie in two days and created 3 more interesting contacts. However I has to change my opinion when one month ago I travelled to province, stayed two days like in Kiev and managed to lay 3 freebies. However province is like sh1thole, dangerous and you may et into trouble I really do not recommend it to experienced monger.
Had also got session in a two day trip to Turkey with Russian girl so I really do not know where is the best to spend your money, Kiev, ukrainianan province, Russia or Turkey everywhere there are advantages and diadvantages, I think for budget travellers with adventure risk taking province is the best for the ones who like comfort I recommend Kiev and if you Sant to burn money and have an excellent time with devushka invite her to Turkey for vaccations and travel there for some days with her(for Turkey they don't need Visa Istanbul is full of russialn girls).
CallSign Papa
06-07-10, 06:58
a real cum dumpYou truly are the Shakespeare of this board.
You truly are the Shakespeare of this board ;)Search for the pictures ;), of Inga I mean, there are a lot here (in UA) and in the anal section ;)
Definitely a cum dump! ;)
IT
when hunting, due to the 10 messages a day limit on flirt (or mamba is the same), i start messaging when i know when i have to go to kiev, so i can tell a proper day.
in the past i have been very lucky: piglets like inga (you met her at arena, not a beaty, but sex addicted and a real cum dump) or the heavvy duty rider miss u. (we both boned her holes) or even [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)... and that beauty of ivol (mogahony red, frecled, 163/47 pale white and pink :p)... and mt or katya and nastya.
now i keep contacts with the boned ones... ;) as backups, only some unfortunately, the best ones disappeard... but searching for 18-9 teens with not a big success...
yep it's fun drilling a girl like tigressa (posted some photos... full figured, nearly a bbw) with monstrous watermelons, not a beauty but very very skilled. but now i'm trying to go for the [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) style teens :p still not with big luck.
by the way il miss u. disappeard from mamba/flirt some months ago, do you still have her contacts? could you pm them to me? owe you a beer next time ;)
iti have seen her around so will get you a contact number for her next time.
However province is dangerous and you may et into trouble I really do not recommend it to experienced monger.
To reiterate : could you elaborate ?
You truly are the Shakespeare of this board.
I love petite, teen, blonde, cum dumps!
You don't?
IT
To reiterate : could you elaborate ?
Never had problems in the Province...
IT
I was recently in Kiev and thought it was the best as I bedded one freebie in two days and created 3 more interesting contacts. However I has to change my opinion when one month ago I travelled to province, stayed two days like in Kiev and managed to lay 3 freebies. However province is like sh1thole, dangerous and you may et into trouble I really do not recommend it to experienced monger.
Had also got session in a two day trip to Turkey with Russian girl so I really do not know where is the best to spend your money, Kiev, ukrainianan province, Russia or Turkey everywhere there are advantages and diadvantages, I think for budget travellers with adventure risk taking province is the best for the ones who like comfort I recommend Kiev and if you Sant to burn money and have an excellent time with devushka invite her to Turkey for vaccations and travel there for some days with her(for Turkey they don't need Visa Istanbul is full of russialn girls).
I think that the best is finding them in Kiev and take them to vacation in Turkey and getting them back whiter than they started...
By the wau Heker you gave me the contact of a blonde, who had a fabolous brunetka petite girlfiend andy idea where she is?
IT
I have seen her around so will get you a contact number for her next time.
You mean Miss U. the blonde tall one? I do not write the name because, as you know, she search here... she is a real Monger... :)
....take them to vacation in Turkey and getting them back whiter than they started...
That's really good !!! LOL :D
LifeSavour
06-18-10, 05:04
For about 6 months.
Preparing to return in July and making forward 'arrangements'!
Using mamba. And something we ALL need to understand.
Ever had a fast reply, things going good, then SHE is just gone?
OR 'no response' at all?
Well the other day I set up an account for my 'girl' (at least for the month of July) to help us find FUN!
She is from the west so I placed her ad in that region.
Oh my GOD. Did not even get the 2nd photo loaded and the messages began.
Within 12 minutes, I counted. WE had 82 (80 guys & 2 gals) wanting contact!
Had to mute my speakers!
It was simply 'overwhelming'. I wanted to run and hide AND actually
Became a little upset. 'shut the fawk up you losers'!
WAIT. Thats me on another day?
So there you have it. I now have a new perspective on how to approach the 'ads'.
Good Luck!
Ps. Lejla is available. She's a freak in bed. Anal, bi, double penetration, and IF your good. She 'squirts'!
Bez Bezarra
06-18-10, 12:53
Nice fotos, but what are all those videotapes behind Lejla?
Those fotos don't look like your apartment in Riyadh?
Can you please expound on your new perspective about mamba?
Every new girl's ad has 80 guys writing to her in the first 10 minutes, so what can any of us do, to get her attention?
Or is the problem, that its 80 guys from ISG???
LifeSavour,
thanks for sharing photos and report, very "interesting", so one nice girl receives how many messages in one day ?
100, 200 or even more ?
Then she should really have a lot of work....to spend all the money she gets :D
LifeSavour
06-20-10, 05:53
Nice fotos, but what are all those videotapes behind Lejla?
Those fotos don't look like your apartment in Riyadh?
?Those are not videos. They are the UKR standard 'binder' for doc's!
(Oh yeah, you don't do bizz in "Bezland" just 'monkey' business!
Yeppers, that is not in KSA
But she is real!
Any guys wantto have a couple's 4-some in Kyiv. Hmmmmmm?
She loves girls.
You mean Miss U. the blonde tall one? I do not write the name because, as you know, she search here... she is a real Monger... :)Yes, that's her.
LS,
You been out of Ukraine or down south?
Yes, that's her.
LS,
You been out of Ukraine or down south?
Could you PM me her mail and/or her mobile?
Just want to rail her in my next trip, once she told she had also a girlfriend so.... :D
IT
Thepapalstable
06-23-10, 20:29
This is an itinerary question rather than a report. I'd like to fit in Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye. The partys in Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk are the most important and Zaporozhye is just a friend. What are my best travel options, would you say? (I'm doubting I will get the best advice from my local agent when you boys have been on the ground). I'm thinking of travelling next month.
This is an itinerary question rather than a report. I'd like to fit in Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye. The partys in Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk are the most important and Zaporozhye is just a friend. What are my best travel options, would you say? (I'm doubting I will get the best advice from my local agent when you boys have been on the ground). I'm thinking of travelling next month.You can fly into Odessa fairly easily from Europe so this is a good starting point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odessa_International_Airport) - though Dnepropetrovsk also has an airport it has far fewer options (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnipropetrovsk_International_Airport).
Dneproptrovsk and Zaporozhy are close enough together (90 km) that a taxi will do. Taxis will run you about $0.44 (3.5 grivnas) / kilometer. Other options are bus (in this case decent Russian is mandatory) or train.
From Odessa to one of those two is about 450-500 km. Transport options include bus or sleeper train (cheapest options - trains are heavily subsidized and incredibly cheap), taxi (medium price option) or airplane (via Kiev so fairly expensive). Trains schedules are available at http://www.poezda.net/en/route_timetable?mode=3&location=route_redirect&st_from_name=ODESSA+GL&st_from=2208001&st_to_name=DNEPROPETROVSK&st_to=2210700&forDate=24-06-2010 . First class is best, second class is OK, avoid third class, and don't go fourth class.
One other note is that roads are pretty awful in Ukraine, so taking a bus or taxi involves a pretty rough ride. Trains are OK in comfort, provided you are in a sleeper car ....
Let me know if you come to Odessa, I can show you around.
Good luck,
Andreas
Reiner Otto
06-24-10, 21:54
Trains schedules are available at http://www.poezda.net/en/route_timetable?mode=3&location=route_redirect&st_from_name=ODESSA+GL&st_from=2208001&st_to_name=DNEPROPETROVSK&st_to=2210700&forDate=24-06-2010 .
Best info about trains in UA with the german Railway:
Type
Von: (From) Odessa
Nach: (to) DNEPROPETROVSK
http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/dn?ld=9684&seqnr=2&ident=m4.02490084.1277412784&rt=1&rememberSortType=minDeparture&HWAI=JS!ajax=yes!&REQ0HafasScrollDir=1
Most likely, you know German :-)
Cheers,
Reiner
Hey guys!
Just bought my ticket for entrance into Bucharest then exit form Kiev. Plan on traveling for 12 days. Just kind of winging it, but I wouldn't turn down assistance and in Odessa, Sevastopol, Nicolaev, Kiev, and anywhere else the trains may take me this July 17-29.
Thanks!
Just bought my ticket for entrance into Bucharest then exit form Kiev. Plan on traveling for 12 days. Just kind of winging it, but I wouldn't turn down assistance and in Odessa, Sevastopol, Nicolaev, Kiev, and anywhere else the trains may take me this July 17-29!
There is no trains on the entire route Bucarest/Odessa. You can take the night train from Bucarest to Chisinau. From Kish the only way to go to Odessa is the bus (via Transnitria).
Anyway I see absolutely no interest in making 5 or 6 cities (+ long train journeys) in 12 days, unless you want to brag about the fact that you traveled this distance.
Hey guys!
Just bought my ticket for entrance into Bucharest then exit form Kiev. Plan on traveling for 12 days. Just kind of winging it, but I wouldn't turn down assistance and in Odessa, Sevastopol, Nicolaev, Kiev, and anywhere else the trains may take me this July 17-29.
Thanks!Have a great trip. I did that itinerary last summer, though other direction. Flew Chisenau-Bucharest. Overland Moldava-Odessa -- not bad transit, get in a vehicle with good AC. Be glad to hear about whatever you experience. (Pay no heed to people who feel they have a monopoly on bragging and boasting.)
I did that itinerary last summer
I fucked Paris Hilton last night.
Chisenau- Moldava
ROFLMAO. Caught red-handed. If you had been there you'd know that it is actually "Chisinau" and "Moldova". :rolleyes:
Reiner Otto
06-26-10, 12:35
From Kish the only way to go to Odessa is the bus (via Transnitria).
Simply for the sake of correctness: There are different bus routes between Chisinau and Odessa. Most of them DO NOT cross PMR (Transnistr).
Rest of your note I can agree on :-)
Simply for the sake of correctness: There are different bus routes between Chisinau and Odessa. Most of them DO NOT cross PMR (Transnistr).
Rest of your note I can agree on :-)
Duly noted. I've never made the itinerary, but wouldn't mind to do it. But VIA Tiraspol !! :)
Reiner Otto
06-26-10, 12:41
Hey guys!
Just bought my ticket for entrance into Bucharest then exit form Kiev. Plan on traveling for 12 days. Just kind of winging it, but I wouldn't turn down assistance and in Odessa, Sevastopol, Nicolaev, Kiev, and anywhere else the trains may take me this July 17-29.
Thanks!
It is a little bit crazy to do that trip within 12 days!
Only chance: Bucharest-Chisinau by train; Chisinau-Odessa by bus; Odessa-Nikolaev by bus; Nikolaev-Sevastopol by train; Sevastopol-Simferopol by bus/train, then flight to Kiev, and train back via Chisinau to Bucharest.
Does not give you much time for hunting, though :-)
Anywy, in case you meet Nikolaev, leave me a PM before.
Either I am there, or already in www.kazantip.com :-)
I fucked Paris Hilton last night.
ROFLMAO. Caught red-handed. If you had been there you'd know that it is actually "Chisinau" and "Moldova". :rolleyes:Now, go hop along Prozzle and get back to what you do best.
Now, go hop along Prozzle and get back to what you do best.
Yeah, flickr is the best to usurp a photo. :rolleyes:
Anyway absolutely NO report after such a great journey? no entertaining narratives featuring lot of pussy and booze, self-reflexions about the different scenes available, tactical considerations for non-pro chasing, observations about Moldovian girls psyche, character and physical differences between Romanian and Slavic women, analytical overview of nightlife, strip clubs reviews, elaborate list of current "in" places, perpectives of Bucuresti, Chisinau or Odessa, ect, ect ? ...absolutely nothing ? ...how come ? :)
AColonizer
06-27-10, 20:12
This is an important site about reliable agencies and scam agencies to get a lasting relationship (or almost):
http://jimslists.com/gold.html
It is easy to be cheated by prostitutes but it is easier to be scammed by a lot of marriage agencies: that's tragic, most of them are Americans!
Reiner Otto
06-28-10, 12:14
This is an important site about reliable agencies and scam agencies to get a lasting relationship (or almost):
http://jimslists.com/gold.html
It is easy to be cheated by prostitutes but it is easier to be scammed by a lot of marriage agencies: that's tragic, most of them are Americans!
Looks like that list is a FAKE, prepared by loveme.com etc themselves, to polish their bad image.
At least, according to my on-site knowledge/expirience in Nikolaev, this list is a SCAM for itself.
You can have "A happy Hour" in Nikolaev for about 350UHA. And that is more, most of the guys from the 5000$ tours of anastasiaweb.com or loveme.com can get during their whole trip :-)
AColonizer
06-28-10, 20:04
Sehr vielen Dank für Ihre Antwort.
I don't want to do as most husbands, who have married an "average" (ugly enough) woman with no passion for sex, and therefore they have to pay prostitutes for all the rest of their lives!
For my convenience, and I think it is the same for most men, the best deal is to marry an Ukrainian beauty (for men who like Ukrainians, of course).
My (very in-deep) study for P4P was just to get model beauties: wow which adventures! I am not interested in extreme pervertions as most husbands are. What I read here is just childish things in comparison of most husbands' filthy "funs".
About lasting relationships by marriage agencies, I am never interested in "tours" because those are just frauds (as much as most prostitutes).
My target is to find some Ukrainian beauties interested in lasting relationships and to arrange a meeting in their "local offices". I see it is possible that for 100 USD. Maybe that could be another fraud but at least I shall waste not more than 100/200 USD. And travel expenses will be considered as regular expenses to visit another piece of Ukraine.
I have met some Ukrainian prostitutes in Italy and I can surely say Ukrainian prostitutes abroad are much better than in their homeland. And I am sure I have met the best one whom everybody can't imagine here (IT Travel included too ;)
Unfortunately, any females and any foreign females and any kind of females (P4P and not P4P) ARE SPOILT in Italy in not more than two years (and in a much worse way than USA!).
Therefore the best solution is to find some Ukrainian beauties in Ukraine, where femminism (that is the opposite of feminity!) is not still widespread as much in Western countries. Therefore I need a local assistance in Ukraine.
Now there is a global economic crisis that is hitting males much more than females: in the worst case, females can become prostitutes (and enjoy their own lives better), but few men are ready to waste thousands or dozen thousands dollars to find their "soul mate": also for "love", that is just a matter of money.
This global economic crisis will be the regular trend for the next ten years because this "crisis" is not a cyclical period but it is the emergence of a new economy (and society): our politicians and rulers are just lying, sweet lies for stupid peoples!
At the end, what can I do to meet a "soul mate" in Ukraine with no hazard of my lifetime savings?
Looks like that list is a FAKE, prepared by loveme.com etc themselves, to polish their bad image.
At least, according to my on-site knowledge/expirience in Nikolaev, this list is a SCAM for itself.
You can have "A happy Hour" in Nikolaev for about 350UHA. And that is more, most of the guys from the 5000$ tours of anastasiaweb.com or loveme.com can get during their whole trip :-)
Hi,
Some general advice please, probably like a lot of guys on here I tend to use escorts when not in a relationship and want something special, i.e a threesome.
I recently tried River Palace and found the girls to be very expensive, and even when did agree a price with two it was not enjoyable - no kissing, no oral without and very much clock watching.
I have have tried Flirt but I understand from the reports on here it is predominantly fakes.
Can anyone recommend any other sources for meeting pros's, semi-pros or even feeebies.
Thanks in advance
Hi,
Some general advice please, probably like a lot of guys on here I tend to use escorts when not in a relationship and want something special, i.e a threesome.
I recently tried River Palace and found the girls to be very expensive, and even when did agree a price with two it was not enjoyable - no kissing, no oral without and very much clock watching.
I have have tried Flirt but I understand from the reports on here it is predominantly fakes.
Can anyone recommend any other sources for meeting pros's, semi-pros or even feeebies.
Thanks in advance
More details please - where do you live? Ukraine, elsewhere? Do you speak Russian? Do you prefer european girls? Black? Asian?
More details please - where do you live? Ukraine, elsewhere? Do you speak Russian? Do you prefer european girls? Black? Asian?Hi,
I live in Kiev, I have some basic Russian but not to 'conversational' level.
With respect to what kind of girls, I enjoy all.
Hi,
I live in Kiev, I have some basic Russian but not to 'conversational' level.
With respect to what kind of girls, I enjoy all.
I've heard that offering english instruction for russian instruction is a good way to find a girl looking for a western guy.
I think there are lots of legitimate girls on Mamba, but if her profile is 1 nude picture and was posted yesterday, then use your common sense.
Also, if you're looking to meet women? My advice is to join a gym/yoga studio/dance class place, and then stick with it for a few weeks. Even if you are a lumbering fool, you will find yourself as one of the only men in the place and you will have loads of status and opportunities will open up.
If you're looking just for getting straight to the 3-some? My advice is to find a salon. Tell the mama-san you only want to see girls that are bi-friendly. See a few of these girls in various 1-to-1 sessions to build up a good rapport and trust, and then ask your favourite who she would feel comfortable in a 3some with (girls have their preferences also).
I've heard that offering english instruction for Russian instruction is a good way to find a girl looking for a western guy.
I think there are lots of legitimate girls on Mamba, but if her profile is 1 nude picture and was posted yesterday, then use your common sense.
Also, if you're looking to meet women? My advice is to join a gym/yoga studio/dance class place, and then stick with it for a few weeks. Even if you are a lumbering fool, you will find yourself as one of the only men in the place and you will have loads of status and opportunities will open up.
If you're looking just for getting straight to the 3-some? My advice is to find a salon. Tell the mama-san you only want to see girls that are bi-friendly. See a few of these girls in various 1-to-1 sessions to build up a good rapport and trust, and then ask your favourite who she would feel comfortable in a 3some with (girls have their preferences also).Thanks for that.
Sehr vielen Dank für Ihre Antwort.
I don't want to do as most husbands, who have married an "average" (ugly enough) woman with no passion for sex, and therefore they have to pay prostitutes for all the rest of their lives!
For my convenience, and I think it is the same for most men, the best deal is to marry an Ukrainian beauty (for men who like Ukrainians, of course).
At the end, what can I do to meet a "soul mate" in Ukraine with no hazard of my lifetime savings?I don't know why I'm taking the time and effort to reply to this. Maybe because I feel that I have something to say and I hope it can be useful for somebody out here.
I know you don't want to read this, but I foresee a long and frustrating path in front of you, for the next months or years to come.
To make it short: marriage agencies are not the solution to your situation, if I understood it correctly.
First of all: marriage agencies are businesses (at least most of them, and almost all of the biggest ones are of this kind, otherwise they would not have been grown).
Second: the way a lady is introduced to you is of fundamental importance for the development of your relationship, at least in the first months. Imagine this situations: you find a girl in mamba and offer her 100$ for sex and she accepts, or you meet the same girl through acquaintances or in the work environment, most likely you would never try the same approach. The girl is the same, but your consideration about her is totally different.
Combine the two points above and you have my point. The only agencies who could be reliable are the tiniest ones, the “amateur” ones who promote girls coming from the same bulgarian or ukrainian village of the owner of the agency. Most likely she really knows the girls, and if she lives in your city most likely she will not want to scam you. All the rest is a mere polishing of profiles, a marketing exercise of pointing out the best everyone has to offer. Sometimes even photoshop, why not?
Have you ever asked a resume to the romanian girl that you find on an italian highway or in a german FKK? They could well be engineers, philosophers, accountants. But they need money, they don't work “po professi”, at least at the moment, in that moment.
I just made a recall of some of my experiences of the last years. I met and I'm still in touch with no fewer than 5 ladies who are actively looking for a husband also through marriage agencies, from Russia and Ukraine. I found them in Mamba, only later I discovered about their being advertised in marriage agencies, when they told me. They have terrific professional profiles: accountant in one of the big 4, regional commercial director in a multinational company, lawyer with her own office and partners, PRs and so far.
Probably I was marriage material in their eyes, and honestly I must say that I was very interested in them as potential partners, even if we never rose the topic of how we would have practically evolved our relationships in case it become serious while we chatted online. However only the best of us came out and there we met, Moscow, Kiev and Piter, mainly.
Results were not good. No sparks in real life, at least from my side, but mutual respect was clear, so some kind of friendship started, with all of them (except with the one who decided to open up not only her mind to me on the first date since she felt we were not going to get serious so why not have some pleasure?), and that's how I knew of their activity with marriage agencies.
The interesting thing, that I want to report here, is what they told me about their experiences.
Without entering to much into details: they all were (and still are) interested in finding a partner “better then themselves”, in terms of money, social status or personality, and that's why they needed a marriage agency (otherwise they could have easily found men in their circles of acquaintances). They all are considering the possibility to marry a foreigner, but only if he was The One, no interest in just emigrating to a western country. They all are picky, and with a strong personality. They all have a somehow kinky or unconventional attitude with sex.
Details?
One is meeting a guy every week or two, coming from the agency's network. And at least every month there's a wealthy foreigner who fly to Russia to meet her and spend a couple of hours with her in the agency's office or in a upscale restaurant. This is going on for no less that two years. In the meanwhile she has 2 or 3 lovers to keep her busy in the night. I have no idea why she cannot settle down, but I suspect that her ego is pleased by the efforts of these men. For sure the agency is not worried at all about her finding a husband, since probably her profile is highly requested.
One is always trying to meet with wealthy russians or foreigners from warmer countries, her dream is to have a house by the sea and do nothing all day long. She is tired to work so much and it's time for her to find a man who will take the burden on his shoulders. It's being four years that she meets with almost anybody who is stupid enough to fuel her dream. The first meeting is always in Moscow, where the man is carefully studied and evaluated in his real spending power. Many comes and burn some cash in restaurants, fine hotels and gifts. They never get any sex in return, after all they are looking for marriage, aren't they? The second meeting is already in a nice holiday resort, or a weekend in a european capital (all paid by the man and only 5 stars), where most likely sex will be in the menu. Until now many man reached the second meeting, but nobody is on the list to become a potential husband since she is still actively searching. However a couple of them, the wealthier ones, sometimes invite her to additional holidays.
One is almost frigid. Two years without sex, the last time was with her former husband. She can have sex only after she feels totally sure about the man and the relationship, and this can take months. And sex for her is not important, is just a physical need of the men, to be performed one or two times a week. I wonder who is willing to wait that time... and for that result.
One has a double personality. Good looking. Humorous. Well traveled. During our mamba and skype conversations she was extremely serious and competent on many life and business aspects. But always dropping any really personal questions. I was eager to meet her. The meeting itself, in a coffe shop, was going quite well, good eye contact, hand touching. Then suddenly she tells me that I'm not the right guy for her, I'm too down to earth for her, I cannot make her dreams come true (...which dreams? I still don't know), and also probably I'm a babnik, she can tell it, maybe I sleep with so many women, even prostitutes... but I'm nice, I will find what I look for. And meeting is over, she must go home, she realized that it's really late. I'm a little bit shocked, she asks me to accompany her to her flat, that is just ten minutes from there, so we can talk some more, and I can help her walking with high heels on the icy road by keeping her arm. Outside is freezing, at least 20 degrees below for sure so no talking at all. When we reach her door she tells me that I should cal in for a tea, my face is frozen. Ok. I sit, she makes tea for me and her then disappears. Comes back in 5 minutes, with different clothes, miniskirt and a top well showing her long legs and big breast, and a different sight in her eyes. Sits beside me on the sofa and tells me that this is our last meeting, don't I want to tell her about the real me, the prostitutes, how I like to treat them? Maybe show her in real? ..... It is only in that moment that I realize her psychological game and I start the action. Boy was she a ****! She needed it hard, everywhere, more. When we are doing it she grabs the phone and shows me photos of her having sex with other men, and takes some shots of us. Then when she is pleased she says thanks, she really has to go now, she is already 1 hour late, dress up quickly, shows me off and wish me good luck. I called and texted her a couple of times the day after and few months later but she never replied. My skype account is blocked (or she changed account number, I don't know). She really ment it to be our last meeting )))
Why did I mention all of that, apart from living again those moments?
Because I want to stress that it takes time to know people, and sometimes you know them only after long time, if ever. We all know it, but when we see profiles in a marriage agency we are prone to think that someone already made a screening for us. When they tell you that Miss XYZ is a lawyer, wants to have a happy family with at least two children, is a hard worker and very devoted to her loved man, you tend to believe it. They don't tell you that, by the way, Miss XYZ is a domina, that for years she had a second life meeting passive men and having fun in bending them and doing them with a strap-on. Most likely, they also don't know, and don't want to now either.
In their database you will be advertised as a dynamic professional with a good position in a state owned or multinational company, with a cozy flat in sunny Italy and love for travel and adventures, who has a special love for Russia and its architectural wonders and highly respects its ladies for their strong family values and higher education. They probably won't mention that you drilled the most hard core romanian street workers of your city and that one of the reasons that push you toward marriage is the need to save money on entertainment.
How many meetings and trips to rotten-grad are you willing to take before finding out the real personality of your potential partner? Are you willing to marry her and run the risk that after 3-4 years with you she starts to know some unpleasant things about you or your past and change attitude completely, also knowing that under some circumstances you might be bound to pass her money for the rest of your life?
My advice: try the marriage agencies, but remember that the best ones (ladies) go fast. Actually, so fast that they never feel the need of a marriage agency, there's plenty of men around them. Most likely the good (beautiful) ones in marriage agencies usually are picky, or have some hidden desires or extremely high expectations.
Your best bet: girls from rotten-grad who are in the marriage agency because “there are no normal men in this city”, and it could be true.
Good luck, we wait for your reports from this new path of your life.
Anybody knows this agency?
www.homehotel.com.ua
Reliable?
The Tall Man
07-24-10, 02:53
Obman, Very interesting observations. I want to thank you because in some weak moments I have thought about finding one of these UK or RU beauties and settle down and live a happy life with them, sharing love and endearing moments together - Wow - You provide me with a good dose of reality.
Thanks, The Tall Man
One has a double personality. Good looking. Humorous. Well traveled. During our mamba and skype conversations she was extremely serious and competent on many life and business aspects. But always dropping any really personal questions. I was eager to meet her. The meeting itself, in a coffe shop, was going quite well, good eye contact, hand touching. Then suddenly she tells me that I'm not the right guy for her, I'm too down to earth for her, I cannot make her dreams come true (...which dreams? I still don't know), and also probably I'm a babnik, she can tell it, maybe I sleep with so many women, even prostitutes... but I'm nice, I will find what I look for. And meeting is over, she must go home, she realized that it's really late. I'm a little bit shocked, she asks me to accompany her to her flat, that is just ten minutes from there, so we can talk some more, and I can help her walking with high heels on the icy road by keeping her arm. Outside is freezing, at least 20 degrees below for sure so no talking at all. When we reach her door she tells me that I should cal in for a tea, my face is frozen. Ok. I sit, she makes tea for me and her then disappears. Comes back in 5 minutes, with different clothes, miniskirt and a top well showing her long legs and big breast, and a different sight in her eyes. Sits beside me on the sofa and tells me that this is our last meeting, don't I want to tell her about the real me, the prostitutes, how I like to treat them? Maybe show her in real? ..... It is only in that moment that I realize her psychological game and I start the action. Boy was she a ****! She needed it hard, everywhere, more. When we are doing it she grabs the phone and shows me photos of her having sex with other men, and takes some shots of us. Then when she is pleased she says thanks, she really has to go now, she is already 1 hour late, dress up quickly, shows me off and wish me good luck. I called and texted her a couple of times the day after and few months later but she never replied. My skype account is blocked (or she changed account number, I don't know). She really ment it to be our last meeting )))
Why did I mention all of that, apart from living again those moments?
Because I want to stress that it takes time to know people, and sometimes you know them only after long time, if ever. We all know it, but when we see profiles in a marriage agency we are prone to think that someone already made a screening for us. When they tell you that Miss XYZ is a lawyer, wants to have a happy family with at least two children, is a hard worker and very devoted to her loved man, you tend to believe it. They don't tell you that, by the way, Miss XYZ is a domina, that for years she had a second life meeting passive men and having fun in bending them and doing them with a strap-on. Most likely, they also don't know, and don't want to now either.
In their database you will be advertised as a dynamic professional with a good position in a state owned or multinational company, with a cozy flat in sunny Italy and love for travel and adventures, who has a special love for Russia and its architectural wonders and highly respects its ladies for their strong family values and higher education. They probably won't mention that you drilled the most hard core romanian street workers of your city and that one of the reasons that push you toward marriage is the need to save money on entertainment.
How many meetings and trips to rotten-grad are you willing to take before finding out the real personality of your potential partner? Are you willing to marry her and run the risk that after 3-4 years with you she starts to know some unpleasant things about you or your past and change attitude completely, also knowing that under some circumstances you might be bound to pass her money for the rest of your life?
My advice: try the marriage agencies, but remember that the best ones (ladies) go fast. Actually, so fast that they never feel the need of a marriage agency, there's plenty of men around them. Most likely the good (beautiful) ones in marriage agencies usually are picky, or have some hidden desires or extremely high expectations.
Your best bet: girls from rotten-grad who are in the marriage agency because “there are no normal men in this city”, and it could be true.
Good luck, we wait for your reports from this new path of your life.
Hello
I also met a girl my mamba. She is 20 and student and looks not really bad.
We write a lot, later on we also did talked by skype.
Once she told me she also work. I asked her what are you working.
She did not answer. Later she answered nothing serious. I asked again what.
Then she told me she works in an marriage agency. I asked again as secretary. No, she has a profil there, gets money and has to write with the mans. She also writes for other girls!
So as Obman already wrote, this is a big business! Maybe at some people it works but many are for sure fakes!
Greetings
AColonizer
07-24-10, 13:36
For Obman (and others), thanks for your reports.
Yes, I have already understood marriage agencies are just a business.
It is necessary I remind you what my best Ukrainian girl said: "Good boys (and good feelings) are interesting to girls looking for a passport only (not for sex, not for love).".
In fact we often meet (Ukrainian, Russian) girls who, at 20 years old, had the same experience of a Western girl at 200 years old. Therefore it is logic they want a different male, not a good romantic boy, not a superficial piggish man, not a Western backgrounded male. They want a male who dominates their instincts. All the rest is just a great acting for males who still believe in fairy tales (". . . but my girl is different": with no exceptions!).
Dr Fabulous
07-26-10, 12:36
Hello!
I'm 26 and I will be off for Kiev next week. Through mamba I found a cute girl who agreed to spend two days with me, show me the city and also spend the night with me for 200$.
Well. Would be nice. However, she's 17!
Is this legal?
I couldn't find reliable information on the web and if someone knows, that would be great.
In any case I'll write a detailed report once I'm back!
Dr Fabulous
07-26-10, 13:07
Hello!
I'm 26 and I'm going to Kiev this week. Through mamba I found a cute girl who agreed to spend two days with me, show me arround, and also spend the night with me for 200$.
That's nice. However, she's 17.
Is that legal?
I couldn't find any good information about that on the web. If anyone knows, that would be great!
In any case, I will write a detailed report once I'm back.
that's nice. however, she's 17. is that legal?technically yes, the age of consent is 16 but it is not set in any law. that means if she cries [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), expect a long and unhappy time in a local prison colony being the "girl" for a lot of very nasty guys. you will not ever get the benefit of the doubt. you will be seen in ukraine as a child [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126).
if she is not 18, stay as far away as you can. it is far too risky if you are not a local. if anything goes wrong, believe me, you will have trouble that is not worth the effort for this girl. she might also be setting you up for a scam and/or extortion. you have to consider this even if it is a remote possibility.
there are plenty of others 18 and over where you can sleep in peace with them each and every night.
Dr Fabulous
07-27-10, 04:44
technically yes, the age of consent is 16 but it is not set in any law. that means if she cries [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), expect a long and unhappy time in a local prison colony being the "girl" for a lot of very nasty guys. you will not ever get the benefit of the doubt. you will be seen in ukraine as a child [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126).
if she is not 18, stay as far away as you can. it is far too risky if you are not a local. if anything goes wrong, believe me, you will have trouble that is not worth the effort for this girl. she might also be setting you up for a scam and/or extortion. you have to consider this even if it is a remote possibility.
there are plenty of others 18 and over where you can sleep in peace with them each and every night.thanks for the warning! i'm not really keen in trouble. think i'll stick with the 18 years old one then which just is not as cute. by the way: do you guys ask to see the girls passport to check theyr age?
technically yes, the age of consent is 16 but it is not set in any law.well,
it sort of is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ages_of_consent_in_europe#ukraine) in the sense that 16 and under is clearly taboo, 17 is a question mark in case she is "sexually immature".
on the other hand, the financial element mentioned in the original post could also be considered child prostitution, even if otherwise due to her age it is not statutory [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). while child prostitution is quite common in ukraine (http://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/prostitution_of_children#europe), it does carry legal risks.
also important to remember is that in many jurisdictions (such as the us, i am not sure about ukraine) the only requirement is that the girl be under the statutory age. the man's belief in her age is entirely irrelevant. so if the girl shows you a false passport and swears she is 18, and looks 21, but really is 15, you may still end up doing the time.
on the other hand, pornography and prostitution, both of which are illegal in ukraine, are pervasive.
I couldn't find any good information about that on the web. If anyone knows, that would be great!Try this:
http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm
Of course, in some countries, there are mitigating stipulations that the "violator" does not have a "position of power and/or authority" over the "victim"!
IMO, it would make sense for all countries, provinces(Canada), or states(USA), since the "law" is applied so unevenly, to just "up" their AOC to eighteen(with no "buts" or "even ifs" allowed to be factored in) and "be done with it" because the world seems to "revolve" around this age!
On the other hand, pornography and prostitution, both of which are illegal in Ukraine, are pervasive.Correct, porn is illegal but you can buy it in the book markets and elsewhere.
However, prostitution is again another of those gray areas. If you are a pimp or madam and they catch you, it is a felony. If you are a prostitute, it is simple misdemeanor subject to just an administrative fine. This was the case not too long ago with the RP raid. The girls were back almost the next day.
The girl's real penalties come in the social area when friends and relatives find out all about their "real" or other job.
However, we both agree, if you have the slightest doubt about a girl's age or if she says she is 17 or younger, just run as fast as you can in the other direction.
AColonizer
07-29-10, 17:59
Since I know,very well, the so-called "problem" about their parents, relatives and friends, I can assure you in East Europe (and, in specific, in Romania, Ukraine, Russia) parents and relatives are not interested to know what is the real lifestyle of their daighters, at all, and friends are often who suggest how to become a prostitute. That so-called "problem" is just the usual "great pretender" of Slavic peoples.
Correct, porn is illegal but you can buy it in the book markets and elsewhere.
However, prostitution is again another of those gray areas. If you are a pimp or madam and they catch you, it is a felony. If you are a prostitute, it is simple misdemeanor subject to just an administrative fine. This was the case not too long ago with the RP raid. The girls were back almost the next day.
The girl's real penalties come in the social area when friends and relatives find out all about their "real" or other job.
However, we both agree, if you have the slightest doubt about a girl's age or if she says she is 17 or younger, just run as fast as you can in the other direction.
Gentleman Travel
08-09-10, 16:44
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/43241/
Say this interesting article about the 50 richest Ukrainians, but was surprised not to see Yulia Tymoshenko on this list. I thought she had made quite a fortune in her pre-politics days (and presumably enhanced since). Anyone know the score?
Mellowtrax
08-16-10, 21:04
Greetings,
Has anybody else experienced problems with the Mamba website? It seemed like the site totally crashed tonight, Monday 16 August, around 9 PM (Central European Time).
Furthermore, I often experience that the website freezes and I have to close down the website and restart my browser. Has anybody else the same problem?
Mellow
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