PDA

View Full Version : Kyiv



Pages : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 [12] 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90

BP1
04-28-07, 22:02
Hi Cruiser,

I can assure you this is not a fake report. 100% genuine. I'm too busy with my life to bother to make fake reports!

I don't know where you live, obviously I live in Budpaest, living in EE since 1991! I know where they smile and where they don't. In Hungary, generally they do NOT smile!

I just found Kiev so refreshing. And the sudent girls. Are thinking creative and able. Unlike some in BP!

I did not tag the student girls. Thats reserved for later, if it happens. I want to build a working business relationship with them, and not jeopardise that currently

Any way. Your comment s are appreciated.

Cheers.

Cruiser D
04-28-07, 23:21
Start at 112, then walk across the courtyard and go to Arena. If you still find yourself alone take a taxi to River Palace.

Anyone been to the renovated Arena disco yet?

BP, I believe what you wrote. I think you just got a conventineers impression of Kyiv. I started going to Eastern Europe back when I lived in W Germany so it's been a while for me too. If you are their boss and you don't hit on attractive girls in Kyiv they just get confused and don't think they are pretty anymore - stop being mean to the girls BP.

Darth, sounds like a fairly normal situation to me. Don't go into the situation being wary, just be aware.

Bandit7
04-29-07, 12:44
Where do I begin? I think first that I have to apologise for not reporting earlier about my this trip and not bothering about reporting about two previous ones! One to kiev and one to rostov!

However I was in kiev at easter and have a few interesting things to report! On the first night I went to river palace and had a reasonable time as you do! It was busy but not the same tempo it has had in maybe two years ago! And the girls are not as good but there was few to choose from! About one I sat near the bar and opposite the dj across two from two girls about 22!

I had seen them both dance but had really took no notice off them as they were not wearing trendy stuff etc, anyway it was getting late so I lean over and ask her back to my apartment etc and we agree 150$! Go get a taxi and off to the apartment, I knew I was in for a good time when irina put her legs across mine and my hand up her skirt and she was smouldering!

In the apartment and she wasted no time and went at like rabbits anal, cim, owo, and for at least half an hour she was having a personal battle deep throating me, she would lick her lips and launch herself on it! I would push her hard and she would choke! Spit and then she would try again! About 530 when we had finished we were just laying there in the after glow of it all, and she looks at me and says to me in very broken english "I not prostitute"now I am shocked but I learn that she is a student studying and was just out for a night out with her friend and only wanted the taxi fare back to her apartment! So when it was all over I gave her 400 grivna and her face lit up like she had just won the lottery! I would give her only 6 for looks but an enormous 10 for gfe and is one for my personal hall of fame! Many mongers would of walked by but I am glad I did not!

As easter holidays got nearer the girls were thin on the ground, on the Saturday went to obriens and there were a couple of girls working out of there and I think the price is 100$ for a couple of hours, as with all professionals the service depends on the provider! As I did not use I cannot say! But a night there and takeway would amount to far less than the river palace! By a long way!

Left ther went dockers which was empty, violoas at the bottom of kreshatik near premier palace which was busy, then later to 112 but that was dead so in the search of pussy we go river palace again!

There was lack of girls that night and most off them had left to be with there families! And only the hardcore were operating that night! I knew it was going to be a rough night when I noticed a stag party of 19 londoners in there and they asked me where the girls are! They had money to burn so we told them to go millenium strip club! Because if they had stopped at river palace they could have rebranded the ship as the gay palace! So we go upstair to the disco and see whats about! I will keep it short, I was never quoted less than 200 and they wanted to back inside 2 hours, I was there till seven in the morning in the room oposite and one blonde did 3 men at 250$ each through the night and came back at 6 am to see if she could do number 4, not bad money for a nights work! My wingman was quoted who is a lot older than me was 300 for an hour! When he asked why so much! She just looked him up and down and said coldly that you are very old! No pensioner discount down there!

It made me realise also that as I read the board when I returned home what spanish boy had to say! When I first came to kiev I was picking girls up in the planes to kiev! Buses even in the supermarket and fucking them for free! There seems to be a clock here that when your are 30 something you are prime meat but has you pass 40 you are on your way out! My wingman was early 50"s!

Anyway desperate for a shag and unwilling to pay the extortionate prices at river palace we get a taxi and head uptown, I ask the taxi driver for a girl and he takes me to an apartment very near the centre, I walk upstairs the mama lets me in and we have the classic line up! 8 girls in sitting in a row, none were stunning and they ask me whom I want!

I ask them if any of them speak english and they all reply small! This is the first time in years that I have operated at the lower end of the market, and really I have had not had much joy! So I just stand up and they all look me up and down and I just say to them"which one of you really wants to fuck me? The odds of getting a better service I figure must at least improve with this aproach!

A little black haired girll starts smiling and claims me as hers and with the others laughing we go to the bedroom! Amazing gfe! 100%effort and I honestly think that she wanted to fuck me! I had her for an hour 60$ but that is where it went all wrong, after 45 mins and I had finished she leaned over and got her english phrase book off the side and we start talking and she has lived in london for 3 weeks with her sister! Comes from odessa etc, so I ask her if she can leave this place and she says no! Something about klans which I take is the mafia and all of a sudden the rush I was having went!

If there are no me! There are no hers! And to be honest I won't go there again! I have the money to go elsewhere and in future will do so! She belongs in the hall of fame but one for the hall of shame for me!

The best place I went was patipa on Wednesday night! Got there at 1930 and the place was buzzing with normal ukrainians! All eighties music and the women were 21-61! All normal girls! No p4p that I saw anyway! Easy to pick up there and if you live in kiev well worth going! Starts to wind up about 0200! Security!

Police everywhere in centre and checking passports so be careful! First time in 5 years that I carried my passport! Lots of nasty looking donetsk skinheads in the maidan at night! But in the day no problems in the centre, the most I saw was 20000 maybe, but that was it and they were not very motivated, I heard a rumour that they were being paid 10$day to demonstrate! If the the thought of being hassled by the police bothers you! You can stay in a hotel and when they learn this they will lose interest in you as the hotel staff are not going to let them rob you! They only want to hassle you and frighten you into giving them some $ with the threat of taking you back to your apartment! I did think that we had seen the last of this on a wide scale in kiev!

Finally I can't go without a moan about my apartment! The photos must have been 5 years old, everything looked ok on the site but when I got there the carpets were dirty and it was tired to say the least!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Cruiser D
04-30-07, 09:29
Nice report Bandit, abet sometimes confusing.

From my experience and observations the 30 set does have it a lot easier then older guys.

I've never encountered or spotted p4p at PaTiPa. I'm sure it's there tho, it's generally in any club in the world - party girls need to pay the bills somehow if they don't have a sugar daddy.

Yes, the two politician factions are paying for 'supporters' to march in their name. I saw this starting during the mild winter with much smaller groups. I wonder how much it would cost me to have a group of hot Ukrainian girls march in my name, carry a big banner of my face. ;)

I've never been to Kyiv during Easter but my expat buddies report it as the worst time of the year to go.

Anonymous
04-30-07, 12:47
Visited Kiev for 4 days after 2 years (I used to go a lot for work between 2003-2005). the place has changed a lot indeed. To the better as a city to the worst for girls. Costs have skyrocketed.

Restaurants are at western prices or worst if you go for any descent quality. Bars, cafes and discos are the same. high prices for average value. the same goes for girls. Girls are expensive as well. As for the usual houses to "act" or to take out the pricing seems standard at $55 an hour for the bottom end, $65 or $85 per hour for the slightly better ones (still difficult to find any gems in the line up). Plenty of ads in the kiev-x.com. Service is descent but nothing you d write home about can usually be found there.

River Palace is having the best collection of girtls as usual but the good ones will ask for $300 and will settle for $200 in the late hours if there are no alternatives. And always for 2 hours. Some stunners indeed but overall expensive and not great value. Can find much better quality/value ratio in Budapest where I reside as a local

Things have changes a lot. I went out for drinks with some x- girlfriends of mine who were working in porn movies and made it back. In budapest 3-4 years ago the d go fopr 100 Euro through the network to make extra money on top of the movies. Now they all have local rich boyfriend, they only consider "iligarcha" options in the local market while they still working the international circuit but no they fly to south france and London and expect $300-$500 deals as a bare minimum or more than 1K for the whole night. they got spoiled. It was very educational talking to tyhem. Dont know where the story will end in Kiev, it s still a nice city to visit but for girls I d rather stay in Budapest.

Brandon88
04-30-07, 18:00
Excellent reminder about the passport checks. I never fail to forget carrying mine with me, so this was a good smack in the cheek.

Just Do It
04-30-07, 19:36
[QUOTE=Darth Licka]Morning all

New on the board (only just found it) but a regular visitor to Kiev for the last year through work. Can't say I've done the P2P thing yet, but most times I've gone there, I've meet some crackers there (with pretty basic russian and ukrainian).

Anyhoo, I got an email from a girl on the merrydating site about two months back, and after swapping email addresses and phone numbers, we've been texting and IM'ing away quite a bit. She's invited me over in a few weeks, and this'll be my first trip not with work. I'm going to hire an apartment and she obviously sounds keen on my coming. To say I've been getting some spicy texts is an understatement!

I guess my question is, am i in danger of being played? The pictures she sent me are all with her workmates and her english (and voice) is great. She has a good job (relatively speaking) so she's not likely to be trying the 'sick grandmother' ploy on me, and she texts me enough that I know she doesn't need a phone.

Anyone else had any similar experiences like this before?



Hi Darth

About your upcomming trip. First I met my fiancee the same way 2 year ago but made 3 prior trips with no luck as the ladies I met those times were just in it for $$ from an American so just be careful. Also the P4P is always there and you would be nuts not to enjoy some of that!!

Here is a couple sites that will tell you what to watch out for in the MOB business.
http://www.rwguide.com/
and
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/
Lots of good info there and be sure to have a good backup plan!!
If you have questions drop me a note. Also if you enable private messages I can share more with you.

Good luck and have a blast!

Hecker
04-30-07, 22:25
Just do it you should give some more information.How old is she?Has she been married?Is she a native in Kiev or did she come from another town?Does she stay alone or with parents?All this is important.

From my limited experience

1. If she is over 27 years old she is not a gold digger.

2. If she tells you she will stay with you (not just maybe stay with you) in apartment, she is 90% gold digger.

3. If she asked already money from you she is 100% gold digger.

4. Ask her if she likes to bring another girl to apartment. If she agrees, she is a gold digger.

5. Ask her if she wants any present. If she says yes, a mobile phone, she wants to use you.

6. Call her when she is at work. If she lacks time to speak with you, she is not interested in you as a person.

7. Ask her if she was at disco like Arena or Decadence. If she says yes, I like these clubs, chances are she is after money.

There are many tests to do.It depends on the person.

Generally speaking from internet contacts a 50% of girls younger than 25 y.o. are interested in money(presents,sponsoring,expensive places).The rest has good intentions but will not sleep with you on first date.

The fact she has a decent job means that she will take you to expensive places or ask for expensive presents(she is used to ordinary).On the other hand it means more freedom and maybe better chances for a good end if you manage to handle the situation properly.

I agree with Mediboy's perspective.He is on target comparing Kiev to other eastern european,not FSU cities like Budapest.

Csim 2006
05-01-07, 00:58
Hello,

I am planning to visit kiev soon. Any trouble or issues in kiev action due to the demonstrations going on?

Cruiser D
05-01-07, 09:24
Hecker,

1) Not true
2) Not true
3) Very true
4) Not true but even for Kyiv that is odd for a first meeting
5) You and your mobile phones...Who 'asks' a girl if she wants a present? If she asks for one then it would be true.
6) Not true - most normal people aren't interested in getting caught up in idle chit chat at work
7) Not true - all it means is she likes going to two of the hottest clubs in Kyiv. Now if she asks you to take her to Decadence or Arena...

Don't scare the poor boy Hecker. Yes, there are a lot of scams to be aware of in the Ukraine. Kyiv in particular draws all the people from the Ukraine looking to claw, sleep, scam or steal their way to the top. But it also attracts young girls looking to get a better education, job, see the big city or marry a foreign guy. I think you are a bit jaded from your last trip to the Ukraine. I also think you set yourself up for most of the problems you encountered.

Medi, you are right. Kyiv is no longer a good destination for the casual p4p guy. Most western guys are just better off staying where they live.

Happy May Day to the glorious workers of the Motherland - and all the hot chicks.

Hecker
05-01-07, 11:15
O. K. From my experience everything is possible with girls you meet through internet. The most reliable indicator is not what they say but their tone of voice, what impression you get through conversation on the phone. If the girl gave you a certain impression it is very likely she will be just how you imagined her, she will have the same behaviour towards you when you meet her.

There are no 100% effective tests to spot out gold diggers before meeting them like there are no effective ways for a girl to know if sb is a monger or sb who wants marriage. I just gave some qs to help get some more information and try to point out your chances before meeting her.

In my opinion the most effective way to counteract girls' unreliability (girls often claim we are free to change our minds, you must keep promises because you are men we are women etc) is to have many girls in the row so if sth does not go as wished with the first to have an alternative girl to meet. And a third and a fourth one. This means careful planning, certain expenses and a little effort but chances of success rise.

Let's say if you meet one girl, there are 50% chances she is a gold digger, second girl the same, third girl, fourth girl the same. When you meet the fourthh girl statistically you will have come across two gold diggers and two good girls which means you will have the opportunity to eliminate gold diggers. If you meet only one and she is a gold digger, trip will be a failure.

From my experience a 30% of girls will not want to meet you when you arrive. They will say they do not have time or are not in Kiev. Of the other 70% 30% will appear only to visit some good restaurants or clubs. The rest will have an interest in you either financial or emotional. So search for some more contacts to have 5-10 reliable phone numbers when you arrive.

Plan to come in weekend to have the opportunity to visit clubs as well as to expand opportunities.

Just Do It
05-01-07, 17:56
Hecker:

If you just check the two links they will address everything you said and a hell of a lot more. There is a goldmine of info if you take some time and do some research. As with all of the FSU it is always be Buyer Beware! Now on with the show!

Darth Licka
05-02-07, 21:14
Thanks for the advice and feedback guys, really helpful and very much appreciated:

1. She's 26, great english, better than mine probably!

2. She has her own apartment, but the plan is she'll spend some time at mine, I'm not sure about the first night though, see how it goes i guess. If the chemistry is there like it has been on IM, it's likely.

3. Nope, like I said, I get the impression relatively speaking that she does okay, I expect she'll want to go for a nice meal on occasion but then hell, English girls expect that and very rarely even say thanks.

4. She'd tell me to "f*ck off" and i wouldn't blame her.

5. Actually now you might be on to something, she did ask me to bring her over the new Tori Amos album ;)

6. I'd feel a bit like a stalker calling her at work, and besides, we speak often on the phone and the chemistry is great, she's very funny and outgoing, charming even. She's never been sullen or sulky or withdrawn, she'll probably be more like that AFTER the weekend ;)

7. Been to Arena a few times, I think the plan is more intimate places, Le Cosmopolite we both like.

They're probably wise words about having a few others lined up, but to be honest, I haven't got the heart for it. I guess if it all goes tits up I can at least head over to Oneills and schnaffle a P4P, if i'm not too disappointed. Bottom line, any opportunity to visit kiev is worth taking I guess.

Cheers all, report to follow.

Hecker
05-03-07, 01:05
I estimate you have 95% chances to score.

Captain Fire
05-10-07, 13:11
Anyone out there have a flat rental agency that they have used and would recommend heartily. I have a Deyva coming into town mid June and I want to rent an impressive flat for a week. I would like something modern with a jacuzzi if possible, in a good area with transportation, taxis close by. I've checked some agencies but from talk on here, it sounds like what you see is not necessarily what you might get.Also is it possible to pay with credit card?
Also does anyone know if there are sex toy shops in Kiev. This one has never tried, but I've sent her some photos and she definitely wants to try some now
Thanks
Cap

Uke Boy
05-10-07, 14:14
Cap,

There is a sex shop on Shevcheka provulok. That is located at the far end of Maidan right at the McDonald's. Same building, in fact.

If you face Mac, go to the left and it is the firt dooor on the right hand side of the street. I think shop is called called "Eden" and it is just OK but you will be able to find what you will need for a toy newbie.

Enjoy and I am sure you will as will she. Lte us know how it works out.

Peter1001
05-10-07, 15:28
Anyone out there have a flat rental agency that they have used and would recommend heartily. I have a Deyva coming into town mid June and I want to rent an impressive flat for a week. I would like something modern with a jacuzzi if possible, in a good area with transportation, taxis close by. I've checked some agencies but from talk on here, it sounds like what you see is not necessarily what you might get.Also is it possible to pay with credit card?

Also does anyone know if there are sex toy shops in Kiev. This one has never tried, but I've sent her some photos and she definitely wants to try some now

Thanks,

CapWhy don't you ask your deyva organise a flat for you? She should know better conditions. This method I use always.

Gentleman Travel
05-10-07, 20:57
1. If she is over 27 years old she is not a gold digger.

2. If she tells you she will stay with you (not just maybe stay with you) in apartment, she is 90% gold digger.

3. If she asked already money from you she is 100% gold digger.

4. Ask her if she likes to bring another girl to apartment. If she agrees, she is a gold digger.

Generally speaking from internet contacts a 50% of girls younger than 25 y.o. are interested in money(presents,sponsoring,expensive places).The rest has good intentions but will not sleep with you on first date.

You talk about golddiggers and materially minded young girls as if they were a bad thing!

Maybe you can charm young girls into your bed with good looks and great dance floor moves alone, but many of the rest of us rely on a bit of avarice on the part of EE women to make ourselves sufficiently appealing as romantic partners.

Where would we be if there were no golddiggers or girls hoping for nice presents or lavish nights on the town?

The challenge is to get value in return!

So let's celebrate golddiggers and women of easy virtue!!

GT

Darth Licka
05-10-07, 21:45
Hey all

Well thanks for the advice to all that ventured it. My time in Kiev was spectacular, she was a great come true.

In the end, she did end up staying in my apartment for the whole weekend and we were virtually stuck to each other for the whole time I was there.

How is it, that ukraininan girls can be so hell-bound sexy one minute, and angelically demure the next? It really is a wonderful thing.

I went to a few bars whilst I was there, one called Safe, which was awesome, wall to wall stunners in there, and i was lucky enough to be with one of them. Go there if you can.

Cheers

Cruiser D
05-10-07, 23:06
Capt, I think you are going to have a hard time finding anyone to recommend an apartment agency heartily in Kyiv. The most you can hope for is to get some value while you are paying too much. ;) There are places aplenty (and expensive) that look good in Kyiv. But I’ve rented better long term business suites in the ‘Burbs in the US for about half or less then what you’ll pay in Kyiv.

GT, Hecker’s modus operandi is to throw money and mobile phones at the girls. Yet he complains about only finding gold diggers – go figure.

Uke, you dog! ;)

Gorefist
05-11-07, 08:05
Hello there,

I'm coming to Kiev next week and I'd like to know good brothel : not the cheapest ones, good looking girls, clean and nice rooms to fuck, anal would be a plus. I've browsed unsuccessfully many pages of this forum but I could not find a place like this.

Would it be a solution to go to "river palace", and pick a girl who, as fas as I've understood, must be working since 95% of girls are working there ?

I'd prefer not taking girls back at my hotel since I dont travel alone.

Any suggestions welcome :)

Thanks in advance.

Uke Boy
05-11-07, 16:26
Gorefist, you can browse this forum all you like but unfortunately, you will get the same answer about a good brothel in Kiev as you have described just does not exist. There are several just so-so brothels but they really are mostly crap and the ladies will more than likely be goblins at ridiculous prices for the quality.

You could stretch the definition of brothel, however, to include River Palace but that would mean a return to your hotel.

The only other option is net sites with independent ladies that offer incalls. The law here allows ladies to be prostitutes. If caught, they get a small fine. If they turn themselves into madams or if you pimp, that is a criminal offense.

There was the case just recently when the madam of a very expensive Kiev site, kievglamour.com was arrested. I guess she did not make the regular payments to the local police and prosecutors that would be expected of her.

You should try top-models.com.ua or even, God forbid, Gia. Gia have their own apartments for the time with the lady as an extra charge.

Csim 2006
05-12-07, 14:49
Hello,

Anybody in Kiev now?

Can meet up for coffee.

Yves77
05-13-07, 00:06
I'm travelling to Kiev. Please, can anyone send me information about good pros and "sponsorized" girls I can spend a good time with at a reasonable price? Tips will be welcome too. Thank you all.

Csim 2006
05-14-07, 00:13
Hello. Same request as Yves77. Any contact info on semi pros or "sponsor" girls will be appreciated.

It Travel
05-14-07, 11:14
Hello. Same request as Yves77. Any contact info on semi pros or "sponsor" girls will be appreciated.

Just use flirt.com.ua or love.ru

PS the database is the same...

The girl here is the typical 18teen student searching for a sponsor for 3/4 meetings a week (not overnight! otherwise mama!!!).

She is asking for 3000 USD a month I suppose a usual rate in Kiev for a teen means approx. 200-250 USD per meeting...

Unfortunately there is something strange with her (or perhaps she did not like me) so I did not manage to fuck her... I was proposing her a week trial...

I posta also some big pics so you can see her even if you do not have the password. You will find hundreds of such girls.


http://www.flirt.com.ua/Riggaia/

PS I was so interested because she was doing all in sex...

Instead i took Yulia for a 24 hour rally with most cumshot in her mouth! I even forgot the mandatory COF! :( But this is another story

IT

It Travel
05-14-07, 11:19
I was phoning her last time in Kiev... I wanted to spend a day with her, but the phone was always off...

Somebody has seen her around or drilled her?

Usually she hangs on three four days a week at RP

IT

Hanibal
05-15-07, 14:51
Hi

I'll be in Kiev next week for two nights only with very tight schedule, staying at the Premier Palace. As both my time (work) and money (I wouldn’t like to pay more then 80-100$ an hour or 250$ for the night, as is the going rate in my country) are limited, what is the best case to enjoy some prime ukrainian pussy? What is a going rate for semi-pro? I’m around 30, with average game and looks and, as I’m from Slavic origin, can read the local script and understand some general phrases that are similar in all Slavic languages. As usually when travel I’ll also learn same basic vocabulary to impress business partners and local girls :)

Is there a problem to bring the girl into Premier Palace hotel?

Does anybody know anything about S/M scene in Kiev?

One more question – which language is more generally spoken in Kiev – Russian or Ukraine?

Thank you for your help and I promise to write a report after I return from Kiev.

H

Curious12
05-17-07, 20:22
Hi

I'll be in Kiev next week for two nights only with very tight schedule, staying at the Premier Palace. As both my time (work) and money (I wouldn’t like to pay more then 80-100$ an hour or 250$ for the night, as is the going rate in my country) are limited, what is the best case to enjoy some prime ukrainian pussy? What is a going rate for semi-pro? I’m around 30, with average game and looks and, as I’m from Slavic origin, can read the local script and understand some general phrases that are similar in all Slavic languages. As usually when travel I’ll also learn same basic vocabulary to impress business partners and local girls :)

Is there a problem to bring the girl into Premier Palace hotel?

Does anybody know anything about S/M scene in Kiev?

One more question – which language is more generally spoken in Kiev – Russian or Ukraine?

Thank you for your help and I promise to write a report after I return from Kiev.

HRiver Palace would be my number one choice considering your tight schedule but it will be difficult to find a girl there that will only charge $80-100 per hour. $250 sounds better but it might take a little longer for girls to agree. Some netotiation needed. There will be no problems with the girls at Premier Palace. The only thing you need to do is to register them - that's all. A lot of River Palace girls are familiar with Premier Palace. Russian is more generally spoken in Kiev.

Cruiser D
05-17-07, 23:21
Hanibal,

No

No but if you find out do tell.

I'm not sure but no one seems to be in a rush to learn Ukrainian. Kiev is Russian, right. Kyiv is Ukrainian, so I guess that in itself tells a lot.

It Travel
05-20-07, 09:21
Last time I was in Kiev I rented Yulia for 24 hours (nearly… was just 22, but…). It was my last day, and I had very beautiful reminds on her (and I could not find the Mystery Tramp)…

I wanted a nice girl doing in bed exactly what I wanted, mainly BBBJ with CIM and COF, and she is a the right person… surely not a 10, but nice soft body with big tits and nipples like cherries when you suck them.

I must say that the evening before I went out with a 21 y.o. girl I would like to fuck, but she did not want… a good evening in any case, she is nice, must be wild in sex and is exactly as I want… petite, blonde, long hair, slim, with a well designed mouth and incredible DD cup tits!

Let’s get back to Yulia, as you can understand I was really horny in the morning and was just thinking… at 10.30 I phoned Gia, and at 11.00 they phoned back saying she was available for the day program… good! So I shifted my rent and my plane to next day and repaired myself to nice 24 hours program (including, even if I was very horny a Cialis).

Yulia is one of the few girls at Gia far better than pics, but she do not want to be photographed, only once I managed to get a full clothed shot. I know why.. she is a student in her city (just 20) and do not want to be on internet! So we met at 3 pm and she would have been leaving at 1 pm next day…

I like her for several reasons… in the complex she is perhaps a 6.5, but her body is so soft and so smooth… and most of all, excluding anal, she is really obedient.

We had a lot of sex, eating, bathing etc… and then we went definitely to bed… (I wanted a long session in the morning, getting totally relaxed to my flight).

In the morning she waked up early and went to the bath showering… I was still nearly sleeping in bed. Then she just came naked, laying on me, starting using her tongue everywhere from ears, after ten or fifteen minutes she got to my best friend! Took it in the mouth and started a real deep throat (uncovered as usual) without stopping or moving, she ws just between my legs sucking. I was just awake and still did not got down form the bed that morning.

Cialis, being horny, and the 4-5 session of the previous afternoon and evening did their job, she had to suck for something like 40 minutes, while I was in paradise… I just missed the other girl at Gia (Irina unavailable) for having a nice blondinka to kiss and touch… but I was in paradise! At the end I had both my hands in her thin black hair and she got (as before) all the load! She went on sucking until my John was soft and clean and then she went to the bath…

I was completely relaxed in the bed… after a long shower she came back and I went to bath… when I came back she was making tea and preparing breakfast, completely naked… mhhh I got horny again! Drinking tea in those of this high tables in modern kitchens with high boards connected to the working table I just asked her to go down and suck while I was getting some food and tea… she did and it was another shot in her mouth!

In the evening I was thinking to fuck her in all the positions in the next morning… I did nothing… she was doing everything, leaving me dead after four BBBJ with CIM. I was so horny that I even forgot the mandatory tit fucking with COF! I got totally relaxed to the airport and slept very well on the plane!

I use to take Gia girls for two reason mainly. Usually I have, for my work, some valuables with me, and they are safe on that side. Then if you go for real long time their tariff is 300 USD/24 h a mere 220 €. Meaning, where I live, an entrance to a club, a couple of drinks and perhaps an hour of sex… (for instance at Sauna Blue Note in Düsseldorf)… here you have one for 24 hours! Of course the first hours/day are more expensive.

Next time I will try again my favourite duo there: Yulia and Irina (already done, and worth the price), at least for three or four days, they have only two negative things (they are beautiful enough for me… I do not want stunners, I just like pigs in bed!): no anal, and no lesbian, only Irina will do it, but may be I can get a third girl! But the worst of all is no no no to pictures! A real pity.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=513248&postcount=2144

Here the only Youlia pic I managed to do a lot of time ago... :(

IT

It Travel
05-20-07, 09:28
In late 2005 early 2006 the price for a standard girl as Yulia for three days was 1.100 USD plus 10 USD/day BBBJ and 20 USD/day CIM COF....

So 1.190 USD! approx 1.000 € then

Now Its 1.500 USD approx 1.110 €, so the price is really rising :(

I would like thy made more packages!

IT

It Travel
05-24-07, 08:40
I just got a call back from MT... so she is answering.. it seemed her voice, but different (perhaps not alrready drunk) or she have sold the telephone?

If somebody is thre and want to check I can PM the number!

IT


We had a lot of post on photo section today...

Ballentine30
05-24-07, 23:44
I just got a call back from MT... so she is answering.. it seemed her voice, but different (perhaps not alrready drunk) or she have sold the telephone?

If somebody is thre and want to check I can PM the number!

IT

I talked with her over the phone yesterday. Her phone number is same as before.

B30

Bez Bezarra
05-25-07, 03:27
In Kiev I rented Yulia for 24 hours she is a 6.5.

We had a lot of sex, four BBBJ with CIM.

I take Gia girls for 300 USD for 24 hours.



I guess the rest of you lame fucks are just blown away by this amazing marathon of mongering, but the spending of 24 hours with a 6 really doesn't make me in awe of such studliness. Four blow jobs, oh gosh, what shall we all do now?

And please tell me Kiev escort sevices charge $300 for 24 hours? Who is believing this?? I'm sorry, but letting such exxagerations go without calling them out as such is irresponsible and only gives credence to those who would disrespect the integrity of the ISG.

Just my 2 kopeks.

It Travel
05-25-07, 06:59
I talked with her over the phone yesterday. Her phone number is same as before.

B30

Do you know why Bez is writing she is dead?

Can't even understand his English...

IT

It Travel
05-25-07, 07:06
I guess the rest of you lame fucks are just blown away by this amazing marathon of mongering, but the spending of 24 hours with a 6 really doesn't make me in awe of such studliness. Four blow jobs, oh gosh, what shall we all do now?

And please tell me Kiev escort sevices charge $300 for 24 hours? Who is believing this?? I'm sorry, but letting such exxagerations go without calling them out as such is irresponsible and only gives credence to those who would disrespect the integrity of the ISG.

Just my 2 kopeks.

Dear Bez...

Sometimes I'm very surprised by your English, may be I'm to old, but I really do not understand! :(

First of all I usually do not put so much attention to how the girl is... if she is a 10 (already happened) and the she is like a log in the bed? I like sure, medium 6-7, making you cum and doing what you want as long you desire.

Price, perhaps you do not even understand my English, it's not my first language, nt even my second! It’s just my third so I do what I can.

I never said that girls cost generally 300 USD a day, I wrote quite differently:

“I use to take Gia girls for two reason mainly. Usually I have, for my work, some valuables with me, and they are safe on that side. Then if you go for real long time their tariff is 300 USD/24 h a mere 220 €. Meaning, where I live, an entrance to a club, a couple of drinks and perhaps an hour of sex… (for instance at Sauna Blue Note in Düsseldorf)… here you have one for 24 hours! Of course the first hours/day are more expensive.”

Here is the Gia official price list for Yulia (and most of the other girls...):

YULIA (speaks a little bit English):
1 hour $150, 2 hours $200, 3 hours $250, 4 hours $300, 6 hours $350, 8 hours $400, 10 hours $450, 12 hours $500, 1 day $600, 2 days $1100, 3 days $1500.
Price including: BJ without condom, COB+CIM, classic sex, 69, masturbation, massage.

As you see more you get less is the price, If you go for a real long time the extra days will be at 300 USD/day as I was writing! Of course you need to be a fair well known customer.

IT


Just my 300 USD! ;)

Bez Bezarra
05-25-07, 12:21
Bez...

Sometimes I'm very surprised by English, but I really do not understand!

Perhaps you do not even understand my English, so I do what I can.

I never said a girl cost 300 USD a day, I wrote quite differently:

“I take Gia girls for 300 USD for 24 hours!

As you see it will be at 300 USD/day! Of course.

Just 300 USD!



I'm really sorry I read your meaning incorrectly. Please accept my apology.

Ok mongers, please DO NOT try to read through and around all the flowery
bullshit. The bullshit IS the essence. The facts are meaningless because IT has some difficulty with English, which is very tough, and of course, misleading. But that's not what's important, so.....

Great report IT. You are a master! I wish I could be a monger like you. Don't all you guys feel this way too? I'm so jealous. Someday maybe I can get me a 6 too! All I get now are 3's!

It Travel
05-25-07, 13:47
I'm really sorry I read your meaning incorrectly. Please accept my apology.

Ok mongers, please DO NOT try to read through and around all the flowery
bullshit. The bullshit IS the essence. The facts are meaningless because IT has some difficulty with English, which is very tough, and of course, misleading. But that's not what's important, so.....

Great report IT. You are a master! I wish I could be a monger like you. Don't all you guys feel this way too? I'm so jealous. Someday maybe I can get me a 6 too! All I get now are 3's!


We have to meet once, she, for what I see, is a 10 for COF!!! :)

Now your English is well understanded (by me!)... are you writing in slang.. American?

Let me know where I can find this beauties... even by PM.

By the way I just sended the MT phone to a monger here... let him try... we will see the results! ;)

It Travel
05-25-07, 13:50
I'm really sorry I read your meaning incorrectly. Please accept my apology.

Ok mongers, please DO NOT try to read through and around all the flowery
bullshit. The bullshit IS the essence. The facts are meaningless because IT has some difficulty with English, which is very tough, and of course, misleading. But that's not what's important, so.....

Great report IT. You are a master! I wish I could be a monger like you. Don't all you guys feel this way too? I'm so jealous. Someday maybe I can get me a 6 too! All I get now are 3's!


But if for two days it's 1,100 USD and for three it's 1,500 it means that the last day is for 400. (You know 1,500 minus 1,100 !) and then, if you are a good customer... 300 USD (plus all extras like food and so on) a day... It's very simple...

IT

Her555
05-25-07, 19:23
Hi every one,

I will fly in to Kiev from London on the 29 and 30 of May, I will be only one night, I was not in Kiev for a time, can someone give me some info, a good girl fur the night,

Also a qusone did u have recently expirians from gia, a good sexy lovely girl.

I know it is not the best thing to do, it will better on to shrct around and not to jump in, but I am a businessman, it is hard for me to reed all the greet info from the side,

Thanks in advents.

Tremayne
05-26-07, 00:13
IT

Here in Kiev it's Friday night 02.00 local time and I just left RP. Downstairs in the Sports Bar was sitting the legendary MT looking alive and well.

SORRY Bez ! I know I shouldn't encourage him but for some reason he can't get this girl out of his mind so I reckon if he locates her and spends 3 days nailing her non stop then maybe that might be the cure.




Do you know why Bez is writing she is dead?

Can't even understand his English...

IT

Bez Bezarra
05-26-07, 02:53
SORRY Bez !

I know I shouldn't encourage him
but if he can spend 3 days nailing her that might be the cure.



Its definitely no sweat off my balls, so don't feel any trepidations Treeman.

The only mystery is what as of yet unidentified mutated species of microbes fester in her bunghole.

If IT or any other bugay blyadun would subject themselves to 3 days of intimate contact with that tramp's oozing discharge sores then I think THEY are going to need every known curable medical treatment and then a few more that have yet to be discovered, since she likely transmits a few bugs brought back from the space station.

It Travel
05-26-07, 09:21
IT

Here in Kiev it's Friday night 02.00 local time and I just left RP. Downstairs in the Sports Bar was sitting the legendary MT looking alive and well.

SORRY Bez ! I know I shouldn't encourage him but for some reason he can't get this girl out of his mind so I reckon if he locates her and spends 3 days nailing her non stop then maybe that might be the cure.

You are very kind...

next time I'm in Kiev I'll see if I can get her to bed!

IT

AColonizer
05-26-07, 14:22
What is the social situation in Ukraine? Will be a civil war? Is it wrong to go to Kiev at this moment for a tourist?

Darth Licka
05-27-07, 00:40
What is the social situation in Ukraine? Will be a civil war? Is it wrong to go to Kiev at this moment for a tourist?No, despite the political unrest, it's still relatively risk free for tourists. Just don't wear an orange t-shirt ;)

Cruiser D
05-27-07, 04:06
Neither side has the support of the people. When push comes to shove everyone is probably just going to go home.

The Stuntdick
05-27-07, 16:18
Good day Gentlemen,

My brother and I are going to kiev on july 20th can anyone recomend any hot clubs and great escort company with beautiful girls, and maybe massage house.

Thanks for your time, and good hunting

Clarence and James

The Stuntdick
05-28-07, 02:22
Dear gentlemen,

My brother and I are going to Kiev on the 20 th of July and are looking for some fun. Can any of you recomend any good clubs for picking up women, and any good escort services. Or any good massage places.

Thanks for your time,

GOOD HUNTING

Clarence

It Travel
05-28-07, 07:29
Dear gentlemen,

My brother and I are going to Kiev on the 20 th of July and are looking for some fun. Can any of you recomend any good clubs for picking up women, and any good escort services. Or any good massage places.

Thanks for your time,

GOOD HUNTING

Clarence


Just read the forum guys!...

For Massage see at www.rakuena.com

IT

Brandon88
05-30-07, 17:16
For 200 bones I had a RP girl spend the entire night and half of the next day. Very striking looks and nice GFE. I lost her number stupidly. Next time at RP, I spent the same for what I considered a perfect 10. Simply amazing, spoke quite good english, good conversationalist...but then the most wooden and disconnected robot in bed I have ever encountered.
Next time in RP, I spotted girl #1 and this time, I saved her number.

In a place like that, I tend to want to butterfly like a kid in a candy shop. But the bird you know is often much better to stick with.

The Stuntdick
05-31-07, 04:04
Thanks For The Report.

Keep Them Cuming.

It Travel
05-31-07, 07:30
For 200 bones I had a RP girl spend the entire night and half of the next day. Very striking looks and nice GFE. I lost her number stupidly. Next time at RP, I spent the same for what I considered a perfect 10. Simply amazing, spoke quite good english, good conversationalist...but then the most wooden and disconnected robot in bed I have ever encountered.
Next time in RP, I spotted girl #1 and this time, I saved her number.

In a place like that, I tend to want to butterfly like a kid in a candy shop. But the bird you know is often much better to stick with.

Must be really low season (due to the political problems) or you are Tom Cruise, let us know more, may be I can tahe the next flight to Kiev!

It Travel
05-31-07, 08:26
you are very kind...

next time i'm in kiev i'll see if i can get her to bed!

it

there are lots of other girls i can't get out of my mind.. mt is just one of them... for most there is the standard method fff (find them, fuck them, forget them).

for me [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) (also in kiev) but now with a boyfriend (sponsor i suppose) is even worse... anybody who got a real bbbj with cim or cof or swallowing from these two girls understand why you cant forget them... ;)

it


ps sorry i quoted myself the message is for tremayne

Brandon88
06-05-07, 17:22
Must be really low season (due to the political problems) or you are Tom Cruise, let us know more, may be I can tahe the next flight to Kiev!
I am much taller than Tom Cruise. :D

One O Nine
06-05-07, 19:33
[Edit] Never mind I found it, google's your friend.

Nufc9
06-07-07, 12:27
Guys,

Do you think you can live it up well in Kiev for $200 USD a night (apartment not included).

This is the figure im working with.

Things I have allowed for is:

- $100USD for 2 hours sex a day ;) (if not with pro, it may cost me this much for a date/drinks - ive been chatting up lots a girls on flirt.ua for a month)

- $100USD just for every day living, lunch, dinner, coffees, drinking every 2nd night or so...

So do you think $200USD is about right to have a good time and do all the above.
Generally im happy with a 2 hour session. If I meet a glamour and have to have more of her, i will do it but in general i think 2 hours is enough.

I will be posting all my reports here for all :) Im going for 3 weeks.

On a side note, just a thought (a bad one) has anyone tried to film a pro on the sly? Hide a camera somewhere for a 1 hour session? Is this a crazy thought and I'm asking for trouble to try once?

I think i can answer this myself. YES

I arrive June 22. Would love to meet up with some of you guys.

Ash1001
06-11-07, 00:21
Two hundred dollars per day is pretty much spot on. In fact this is exactly my budget for freebie chasing in Kiev.

$100 a day will get you a nice, central apartment.

The other $100 will cover your dating costs. Just don't get tempted to take girls to some pricy place like Fellini or Decadence. If TGI Friday's doesn't thrill them, then they're too damn snooty and should be given the shove :)

And throw in another $250 for each take-out from River Palace.

Cruiser D
06-11-07, 03:03
$100 is on the high point for a 'nice' central apartment - let's not even talk about giving a girl $250 from RP. ;)

Friday's is a good place to meet people but do you really want to be eating that crap all the time? There are other (western) mid level price options in Kiev.

You are still playing tourist level Kiev, take it up a notch.

Nufc9
06-11-07, 03:49
Hey Ash and Crusier.

Ash, my budget of $200USD doesnt include the apartment. I have reserved a nice looking apartment on baseina street for $90USD a day. Listed price was $100 but i booked it for 2 weeks.

Is 19 baseina street a good location?

My $200USD a day is split up - $100USD for 2/3 hours sex and $100USD for living/food/site seeing a few days etc.

is this about right or can i get away with $50USD living and $150USD sex? :)

Crusier, can you recommend 2 or 3 mid priced restaurant for dates where i can take a few freebies. Not the cheapest but mid level where it is still thought of nicely by the dates?

Is Pervak a mid priced one or expensive?

What about Puzata Khata and Arizona Barbeque? Are they good for freebie dates?

Whats TGI?

Sorry for all my questions guys but i promise i will be updating my 3 weeks, may even be 4 if im loving it, dalily on here with photos.

Maybe even a video of a 1 hour pro if you guys can convince me i can get away with it easily?

Hope to hear from you guys soon.

Nufc9
06-11-07, 04:19
Heres my itinerary. Obviously it could change when i get there, but can any experienced monger tell me if I'm doing a mistake with any of the below?

FLY TO KIEV, FRI JUNE 22
13 NIGHTS

TRAIN TO DNIPETROVSK THURS JULY 5,
3 NIGHTS

TRAIN TO NIKOLAEV SUN JULY 8,
3 NIGHTS

TRAIN TO ODESSA WED JULY 11,
3 NIGHTS

I then head off to varna, bulgaria.

Any thoughts/suggestions? What I should change or add more days?

Thanks

Bez Bezarra
06-11-07, 11:29
Is 19 baseina street a good location?

$100USD for 2/3 hours sex
is this about right or $150USD sex?



In Kiev, you should budget no less than $300 per day, probably more.

Anywhere else, budget about $250 per day, and HOPE that you can find enough action to spend it.

I think Baseina street is at the center and will be fine.

Peter1001
06-11-07, 12:07
Heres my itinerary. Obviously it could change when i get there, but can any experienced monger tell me if I'm doing a mistake with any of the below?

FLY TO KIEV, FRI JUNE 22
13 NIGHTS

TRAIN TO DNIPETROVSK THURS JULY 5,
3 NIGHTS

TRAIN TO NIKOLAEV SUN JULY 8,
3 NIGHTS

TRAIN TO ODESSA WED JULY 11,
3 NIGHTS

I then head off to varna, bulgaria.

Any thoughts/suggestions? What I should change or add more days?

ThanksIf I were you I woudn't spend my time in Dnepropetrovsk or Nikolaev or any other city - unless you have some appointments already fixed - but would go straight to Odessa after Kiev. There are beach and good night clubs around. That's hot now there!

Bacon Butty
06-11-07, 12:34
Most Ukrainians pay for a month's rent what you're paying per night. You can get a nice apartment for way under $90 a night. Spend less on that so you have more for fun.

Cruiser D
06-11-07, 22:31
Bacon, no one is paying $90/month anymore for an apartment in Kiev center. I've heard of people (locals) paying $90-$100/month for a room but not an apartment. You can find unrenovated places from $40-70/night and renovated places for $50+. The longer you stay the less you pay.

Nufc9, 19 Baseina is a great location, it's within throwing distance of Manadrin Plaza and Arena. TGI is TGI Friday's, which sits atop Baseina Street - great place to meet people and have a drink or two. Horrible place to eat - as it is in the US.

Pervak is mid priced, use to be better then it is now but it is still 'ok'. Arizona BBQ is horrible and expensive - avoid. If you want I can PM you with a place or two - I don't want my favorite places getting too crowded.

You are wasting your time going to other cities besides Kiev and Odessa - If this is your first trip to the Ukraine and/or you don't have someone there waiting for you.

Bez, you only need $250+ if you are tourist whoring everyday.

Bez Bezarra
06-11-07, 23:59
Bez, you only need $250+ if you are tourist whoring everyday.



Pardon me, is there another category of whoring?

I suppose I wouldn't actually engage myself in whoring activity EVERYDAY,
if one particular day for some reason the planet stopped spinning and slid off its axis and imploded. Short of that, I'd need a good reason to refrain.

Ash1001
06-12-07, 01:22
You are still playing tourist level Kiev, take it up a notch.

Well, I'm very much a tourist as I've got hardly any time to play with. If I took a month off to chase freebies like a 'local' I'd have lost so much money from not charging my daily (not nightly sadly) rate that the freebie would damn well have to look like Heidi Klum.

Hence, $250 at RP is justified if it means getting the girl I want in the short time frame that I've got. Going home empty handed because you want to save $100 doesn't achieve much if you're there for a short break.

The long term, cheap dates, the walks in the park, chats over coffee etc. are for those who either live in Kiev (whether it's 'business' or retirement) or get plenty of holiday. No, I don't buy phones for girls but do find that cash plays a somewhat bigger part in the process.

As for TGIs, I love that kind of faux Southern US cooking. But it will never replace borshch :)

Cruiser D
06-12-07, 05:24
Bez, I prefer professional or semi pro whoring to tourist whoring. ;) Going to RP or calling Gia just isn't my thing. Although RP can be an enjoyable night out.

Ash, I have friends who like the food at Friday's (both in the US and Kiev). But I think it's bad, the next step above McDonalds. And some times it can be a chore to explain to the girls, no this isn't American food. Just like trying to explain the McDonalds is not American food. Then again, in an obese way both are. I pity the business guys in Kiev who can't date during the day and ho at night. Or is that ho during the day and date at night? ;)

Nufc9
06-12-07, 06:14
Thanks Guys. I've made note of all your comments. I look forward to adding my experiences here soon :)

What are these restaurants like? Any good? Mid priced or?

'The Wall' 2 Besarabska St. Kiev

Indian resturant - Bombay... off Khreschatyk

DaVinci's - Evropeyska Sq (near the Dnipro Hotel)

Ash1001
06-12-07, 23:16
Indian resturant - Bombay... off Khreschatyk


Bombay Palace, located near the Motherland monument, is one of the best Indian restaurants I've been to - and I live in London. Just remember that the portions are HUGE and any individual dish is actually fine for two people.

This is just the right kind of place to take a girl - romantic in setting, a tad exotic (for a Ukrainian) and not expensive.

The subject of restaurants is quite important and rarely touched on here. Cruiser, I find that Friday's is a good place to take girls because the food is passable, filling and the tequila based cocktails always seem right up their street. Remember, McD's is accessible to any local girl with a job, a slap up dinner at TGI's probably isn't.

Cruiser D
06-12-07, 23:48
Trust me Ash, English speaking girls in Kiev generally aren't impressed by Fridays. Positive points for Fridays is it's very friendly staff and usually fast service - it's almost like a little oasis of American service ethos in Kiev. Patio Pizza next door used to serve some decent Italian food but last trip I found it lacking. A boring plan B night is eating at Friday's and then going to RP - blah.

I haven't been to Bombay yet but found Himalaya to be good. During lunch you'll usually see staffers from the Indian Embassy there.

DaVinci's - which is not near the Dnipro Hotel, Fellini's - which is near the Dnipro Hotel and the Wall are all passe. The Wall along with O'Briens (which is also passe) used to be a major expat hang out. The worst service I ever got (and I get it everything I go there) is the 24/7 breakfast chain who's name escapes my mind(ah, Double Coffee). But you'll usually find it packed full of clubbers in the wee hours.

Ukrainian cafeterias are a great place to eat if you are solo, with some guys or a long term gf. If you spend more then 30hrv you need to seriously rethink your dietary habits.

AND

Never ever let the girl pick the place to eat. That is just bad news in so many ways. If she even suggests it look at her like you are going to spank her and give her a FIRM nyet dyevuska.

Nufc9
06-13-07, 08:18
Thanks guys. I cant wait to be there. 9 days to go.

AColonizer
06-13-07, 09:11
Dear friends,

There is a big problem in Kiev about sponsor girls and prostitutes. I found some sponsor girls by www. flirt.com.ua and some prostitutes by some Internet site and I realize they are become expensive like prostitutes in Wetsern countries such as Italy.

AColonizer
06-13-07, 09:28
(for Jackson: the previous same message was posted for mistake)

Dear friends,

there is a big problem in Kiev about sponsor girls and prostitutes.

I found some sponsor girls by www. flirt.com.ua and some prostitutes by some Internet site and I realize they are become expensive like in Western countries such as Italy.

I know the best solution is to fuck free beautiful normal girls.

But if we need some urgent sex then what can we do?

It doesn't make sense to pay sex that costs more in Kiev that in our country of origin because the price of sex = price of travel + price of girl. When a girl costs more than 200 USD/night then she is out of a reasonable budget . . .

Moreover a lot of girls cheat because they reply they do sex with condom, only, but here in Italy, all Ukrainians are famous because they do faboulous unprotected oral sex and (protected) anal sex on-demand!

Therefore my solution is to find cheap girls just a bit outside Kiev or in some villages nearby: what is your opinion?

Brandon88
06-13-07, 20:22
Cruiser, how about the place next to Lenin's statue near Mandarin? I like it down there, although they have a bizarre policy of not serving "brand X" draft beer if the "brand X" logo glasses aren't available at that moment. I couldn't even begin to convince the waitresses otherwise.

Cruiser D
06-13-07, 23:48
Brandon, Viola's is quite a favorite place of the working girl (real not p4p). Supposedly it's another expat hang out. But the only foreigners I ever see in there are those sitting at my table. ;) It’s okay except when it is too crowded and smoky. I like the drafts at Arena, reminds me of Nazi beer.

AC, not true. Why don't you stop posting speculative thoughts about a country you've never visited and wait until you have some real information to post.





Moreover a lot of girls cheat because they reply they do sex with condom, only, but here in Italy, all Ukrainians are famous because they do faboulous unprotected oral sex and (protected) anal sex on-demand!

Bez Bezarra
06-14-07, 02:53
(this message was mistake)

Dear friends,

the big problem is I found girls and prostitutes are expensive.

I know to fuck free beautiful girls.

But I pay 20 USD to cheat because all Ukrainians
do unprotected anal sex in some village



All right, don't get excited! :D:p;)

Look goomba, if you want plentiful cheap skanks, cruise up the gambizi on a monkeymeat riverboat to the heart of darkness central africa, you can get all you want for a few greasy dollars.

If you want to play with russians, and unless you're KGB, then you either need to have some class, or a bankroll you're ready to invest into the art of fine mongering.

Maybe you're reading too many Joe Stalin books about his politburo homeboys and their harems of ballerinas. Or maybe you're suffering from dementia and you need some mental tests. I really don't know what else it could be.

Ash1001
06-14-07, 23:24
Or maybe you're suffering from dementia and you need some mental tests

Surely all Alcolonizer is suffering from is NOSTALGIA?

Longing for 2002... :)

Ash1001
06-14-07, 23:35
Cruiser, Friday's wouldn't impress a girl but a Ukrainian cafe would? Well, maybe it would show you knew a thing or two about what the locals do and weren't just a dumb expat. There's a nice Uke restaurant off Maidan called artichoke or asparagus or something like that. Good authentic grub and full of locals, but not staggeringly cheap to be honest.

*Definitely* take a girl to Bombay Palace; it will impress her and won't cost that much.

And Prada Cafe, opposite Arena, is great for snuggling up after dinner.

On the subject of "impressing" girls, surely you're on shaky ground if you need to spend $100+ at a place like Decadence, Fellini or whatever. That's moving into RP territory.. :)

Telos
06-15-07, 02:59
. i decided to leave the boring flight, immigration and customs details out. if you want to get away with anything through customs go to the fattest girl and flirt with her.

i arrive at my flat and its ok. first thing i do is test the internet. unfortunately my voip phone does not work but my internet is very fast. kind of a bummer but at least my general internet is fast so that's fine. i'll take pay phone calls for high speed net any day of the week.

after i got settled in i jumped on flirt.com. ua and it seems the girls came out of word work and sensed my presence or something. i was trying to work my way to river palace but not wanting to completely diss the freebies i said to the last one i am walking around i have to go. she wanted to be my guide so i said fuck it why not try the free scene out. she drives from left bank to my flat and off we go. first street we go down i get the cop scam "papers please". mother fucker! wanting to tell him to fuck off i am not quite feeling that brave so i hand him a copy of my passport. "where is your immigration card and passport stamp". my nice flirt girl starts talking to him in russian and i can pick up some words she was trying to get me out of it. apparently if you don't have your original passport and immigration card on you and you go to the police station you get a fine of 500h and the second time you get deported. not being sure i agree with the cop and say can i settle the fine here. i get a reply of "$10 each cop". fuck you i'm thinking but i agree to pay. not that big of a deal better then dealing with a legal issue. last time i called a bluff it was a hooker trying to rip me off (i ended up winning but not wanting to deal with cops again it would have been better just to pay). so $30 later i go back to my apartment to get my passport and immigration card.

now we get to walking around. nothing happened yet with the freebie so off she went around 3am (she had a university exam the next day) and i was beat from taking an ambian and actually not sleeping on my 16 hour flight. no upsets for me kind of glad it worked out that way.

next day i wake up. day light is out and i decide to go walking around. no one is kidding when they say kiev is filled with hot girls. street to street hotties! i live in the model capital of the world and i am quite impressed with kiev. after walking around 3 hours i take a cat nap and wake up and go to o'brien's to eat some food (i coped out and went to something americanized i know). full of food and beer i'm ready to rock. i mistakenly get on flirt and have 10 messages from girls (some i was rapping with and others that came out of the woodwork). i decided i wanted a guarantee fuck tonight so i just did not reply to any of them. off to rp i go. i walk in and i'm expecting to pay a cover but no one asks me for money. cool! i opt for the bar downstairs not sure where the mass congregation of girls is it seemed like a good choice. out of the 20 or so girls there i found around 5 or so model quality of girls. i opted for a table by the stage and found 2 girls to my right next to the drummer of the live band. i was eyeball fucking them for about 3 drinks or so and also starring at the table across the dance floor (with no one dancing). i give this girl the look and she proceeds to give me a beaver shot. riiight tonight is going to be a good night! debating between the 8 giving me a beaver shot and the 3 some i could have with the girls next to me i opt for the girls next to me (they are 6's but fuck it why not start with a bang). so i stroll over to their table and they don't speak much english and i don't speak much russian. a few more vodka red bull's later i am drunk at this point and there was no mention of money so i said let's go back to my place. the girl proceeds to say can you help me with money. i said sure i'll give you $100. not vibing my price she says $300. i asked her if she was high and she said no and proceeded to ask me for weed. lol i said i don't smoke weed and don't have any. eventually she agrees for $200 but i counter $300 for both of you (not much of a counter but worth a try). her friend which did not speak an ounce of english was much hotter but she "wanted to go to sleep". i guess she was not vibing me. whatever take some give some. already drunk and very ready to leave. i leave with the girl i was sitting next to. she stands up and i find that she is about 6 inches taller then me! i have never fucked a tall girl before (i'm 5'11). ok new experience time.

once we get to my place i go straight for the viagra. 100mg viagra i had to find a way to kill 30 minutes till it kicks in. so i stall with some convo for 30 minutes and during that time she goes to shower and shows up naked. camera time! i busted out the camera and she loves it. she starts posing and at this point i am over the fact that i'm not having a 3 some tonight and start vibing it too. thinking my 30 minutes are up and i'm ready to go and we proceed to the bed and man this girl is tall! lol i'm digging it and proceed to make out with her a bit. not getting a hard on i lay down and kind of try to shove her for the bbbj. well she says i can't. fuck! ok i said do what you can. getting a cbj and not getting hard i'm wondering if 30 minutes really passed. i have blown a ball of coke before and viagra has never failed me especially the legit prescription from my doctor! well it appears this is the first time. my second real drug that has failed since my trip. i took an ambian that did not knock me out on the plane and now a viagra that did not get me hard! so i try fucking her hoping it gets me up and that's not working so i say check it out. suck me off without a condom or its not happening. she says no so i finger bang her and she is really enjoying it so i shove her head down to my limpy. bbbj seemed to do the trick! now that i have a rock star hard on i bend her over and proceed to go to town on her for 40 minutes or so. i finish and ask her what time is it. she does not know so i look at my laptop and see its about 4am. time to go! i don't want any paid girl (or free girl) staying over at my place and stealing my laptop, cameras, passport and/or cash. i proceed to tell her to get ready i have to work tomorrow and walk her out to get a cab and off she goes.

a good to start to my kiev trip. did not work out how i wanted it but its ok. i am still very much a newb to kiev and the eastern block for that matter. hell i have not been out of north or south america! still trying to figure out the local market but i am having a blast. hopefully this report is helpful to some.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Nufc9
06-15-07, 07:20
Great report Telos.

Keep us updated :)

Have fun mate. I will be joining you in a week.

Telos
06-15-07, 13:46
I will post some pics in the picture thread.

Cruiser D
06-16-07, 16:39
ash, where did i mention taking a girl to a ukrainian cafeteria is my modus operandi or something i suggest? the cruiser works an elevated game in kyiv, what i do may or may not work for most.

prada is a poser bar full of golden kids - i didn't think it would be a great place for snuggling. however there is a cafe called mono right around the corner, the downstairs area is great for snuggling for those inclined (i was forced snuggled there once, cuddle raped as it were..) - uke, what is the ukrainian or russian word for snuggling? ;) prada also gets extremely smoky. another negative to prada is having to run the gauntlet of gypsy kids. i’m surprised daddy billionaire hasn’t gooned the kids away from his new ‘art’ show place in mandarin plaza yet.

come on ash, admit it, you’ve eaten at mcd in kyiv, right? don’t worry i’ve heard kfc is going to be opening up there soon too, maybe they will bring taco bell too if you are lucky. do you have a friday’s discount card yet? i do. ;)

telos, 90% of the girls are at the disco in rp which is to the right of the stairs leading down to the sports bar. some one else posted this same mistake this winter. you don't have to pay a cover to go to the sports bar or the casino - just the disco. that's why you didn't have to pay one. ;)

keep swinging telos.

Telos
06-16-07, 17:21
Thanks Cruiser D. Not sure if I was doing something wrong or not. Are there more girls in the disco then the downstairs bar?

Not sure of where to go for the ho train I just followed my follow Americans or Germans and whatever downstairs :)

Uke Boy
06-16-07, 18:56
Cruiser,

The word to "snuggle" is: прижиматься (prizhimat'sya)

I have many times taken ladies to cafeterias or what is better known here as "zabegalovki" It is always during lunchtimes and when we are out either doing a walkabout town or even some shopping, be it real or the window type. The ladies do not mind the quick and easy local places for lunch.

Dinners out are always the better places and that does not include TGIF/Patio which is always a lunch place.

By the way, as a word of warning. Locals are not used to and many do not like the hot and spicy cuisines such as Indian and Thai or even Szechuan Chinese. Just be careful about the ladies' tastes or you may find that she will hate you forever.

Ash1001
06-16-07, 21:50
Uke, I find that a positive response to the question "Tui lubish' pikantayu kukhnyu?" usually means she'll like Indian food.

The point about TGI's, Taco Bell et al is that when you're in a foreign country long term it's often nice to get a taste of home, even though back home you wouldn't actually touch the stuff :) And I still don't believe that a typical local girl will have downed so many tequilas and plates of fajita that she's sick of it :)

Yes, I know all about the rich brats at Prada Cafe and wish they weren't there - so, is Cafe Mono the same kind of thing with an older age group?

And I suppose you get used to the Gypsies. But Jeez, why do these people have to confirm the same negative stereotype all over E Europe?

Cruiser D
06-18-07, 02:23
Telos - Instructions for RP. Walk past the coat check (check your coat first if you have one). Stop at the counter to right, ask a girl for a ticket to the disco - pay for ticket at small cashier window next to counter - turn back to girl at counter - she will take your ticket and then stamp your hand. A hostess will then usually lead into the disco - which is the doorway with the screen right to the left of the counter. She will then ask as you are walking, would you like a table (if any are free) or would you like to stand at the bar. Most of the girls are in the disco. Some will make a circuit of disco - downstairs bar but most do not leave the disco. Repeat as needed.

Ash, Friday's makes a decent margarita - I am sure they probably use the same mix as the US. But calling those things they serve fajita's is an insult in itself. I have yet to bring anyone to Friday's who was impressed by it, except for Uke Boy. ;) Some girls who are Americanphiles like it, but impressed - no. Also, the place sees a lot of American/Ukrainian teens whose parents are generally involved in Ukrainian politics.

Mono seems styled on a Parisian cafe - and yes it does seem to attract an older crowd. If snuggling is your game there are a million outdoor cafes suited to it.

Uke, grabbing a bit to eat at a cafeteria during lunch is very business like. I am sure the serious girls eat it up (pun intended). I think we both agree that Fridays/Patio doesn't rate too highly with the girls. Not too say she should be screaming and yelling if you suggest it. Patio gets quite the rep as dinner date central for foreign guys. Up until last year I found the food there to be decent, not so much as of this winter. The service there however is generally good for the Ukraine and we all know how much of a plus that can be.

I find most ethnic places tone down the spice for the Ukrainian palate. However most girls usually get overwhelmed by the unfamiliar choices. I have yet to have Chinese food in Kyiv - maybe someday. And I want to try that Mexican place next to the Georgian place in Podil.

Are you going to be in Kyiv in September, that should be my next trip?

To expand on my language lessons, how do you say, ‘come here daddy needs to spank you’?

Banker24
06-18-07, 06:23
For a really special chick(s) (pros and gold-diggers do not count), take her to Mocca/Mokka on the street where you find the Roberto Cavalli and Gucci store off Khreshchatyk. There's usually a wait time so make sure you make reservations. They serve Italian and semi-French cuisine.

Telos
06-18-07, 15:50
Telos - Instructions for RP. Walk past the coat check (check your coat first if you have one). Stop at the counter to right, ask a girl for a ticket to the disco - pay for ticket at small cashier window next to counter - turn back to girl at counter - she will take your ticket and then stamp your hand. A hostess will then usually lead into the disco - which is the doorway with the screen right to the left of the counter. She will then ask as you are walking, would you like a table (if any are free) or would you like to stand at the bar. Most of the girls are in the disco. Some will make a circuit of disco - downstairs bar but most do not leave the disco. Repeat as needed.Thanks for the info. I will return on Tuesday night which I think is still girls in free night? Seems like it would be a good night to go. And with the selection downstairs and not even visiting upstairs on last Thursday I should have an even bigger variety of girls.

Gentleman Travel
06-18-07, 17:12
Surely the advantage of TGIF and other anglo places is to meet girls who want to meet ex-pats, or at least have a "taste" of the west. I agree it is probably not a great place to take a girl to impress, unless she is really naive!
But it is a great place to go if you are tired of trying to cope with the unfamiliar and want a relaxing meal, with the possibility of "take out"....

Traveler1198
06-18-07, 20:12
I have a Ukrainian girlfriend who is dying for a 3some with another guy.Anybody interested?Send me a message.

Brandon88
06-18-07, 23:30
It is too bad locals wanting a taste of the US have to get it at TGIF. These people will never know the true taste of America...Olive Garden! :D

I had a Philly cheesesteak at TG. It wasn't bad. Nothing like a philly one, but not bad in its own right.

Ash1001
06-19-07, 23:30
... unless she is really naive ...

Which is what we're after, right? Naive is great. I hate sophisticated girls: they've seen and done it all before, probably with someone richer.

I met an out-of-town 18 year old in Shooters who was impressed by a 20 gr Red Bull, so that shows you what can be done.

BTW I'm not sure TGI's is such a good place to *meet* girls. Apart from the small bar area, it's not really a "mingling" place as everyone is sitting down at a table and eating.

Cruiser D
06-20-07, 04:56
Yeah, Fridays isn't much of a pick up joint. I've never seen any p4p there and the only person I've ever seen pick up a girl there was umm, err, me. ;) Three times, four including a waitress. Two Ukrainian, one Ukrainian-American and one British chick.

Other unimpressive American places are Arizona and Sam's. You want to show a Ukrainian girl what it's like being American take her (and a lot of money) to SoHo.

Telos, prime hunting nights at RP defy logic.

Member #3433
06-20-07, 15:37
Hello Gents! I took a trip to Kiev and Odessa at the end of last summer. I came accross this site a few months ago and felt obligated to tell of my experiences. Due to all of the helpful info you guys post here. Wish I would have known of this site prior to my first trip. Planning on going back to Kiev next month.

Ok. About me so you know what I am working with. I am in my early 30's and in excellent shape and have no problem getting laid in the states. I only speak about 10 phrases of Russian (trip could have been better if I would have spoken more, lesson learned) But I had to see for myself the stories of the Ukrainian beauties, and man was I not disappointed. I was a newbie in Kiev, so please don't throw too many daggers in your critiques.

I arrived in Kiev, and the airlines lost my luggage. Ok I still had enough to get by on. Had an apartment in Maidan Square. Great location. My first night I had a few drinks at the Dnipro Hotel and then headed for RP. The women were stunning with most ranging in the seven to nine range. I honestly had no idea that all of the girls in there were p4p. I knew there would be those type of girls in there but not the whole bar. Being in that place is like being a kid in a candy store, so much to choose from. I eventually chose a girl that was kind of rude to me earlier just to spite her. I was drunk, she pissed me off, so I thought what better way to "show her" than fuck her. It is amazing how the color of money can change someones attitude. She was around my age, nice face, and killer lean body with beautiful natural breast. We agreed on $150 for the night. The sex was very much a GFE and I had a great time. She left early that morning.

The next night, sleeping most of the day, I headed to Arena. This is where I was slapped in the face by the Kiev sceene. Back home, within minutes of being in a night club I am getting attention from women. Not here. I had to make all the moves, and due to my lack of Russian it was difficult. The conversation would start out great, the girl would be all smiles and then when I ran out of Russian words everything went south. Frustrated I headed back to RP. Long story short, I met a girl there and she ended up being attached to my hip for the next four days. Never paid for it. Only money I spent on here was a few nice meals and that was it. Great experience, but she was a stage five clinger. I shook her my last night in Kiev, and being a newbie and not knowing any other place to go for a sure thing I went back to RP. Same story this time. Found another girl in the 7-9 range and brought her back for the night. Again $150. Good time. The next day I went to Odessa for two weeks, save that for the Odessa threads. On my way home to the states I stopped in Kiev for one night. I ordered a girl up from a flyer that I recieved from the apartemtns I was staying in. She stayed for a few hours and sex was great. After a light dinner and vodka I was ready for RP one more time. I walked in, and found the hottest girl, at least for me, that I could find and wasted no time "want to go home with me". She said yes. I definately overpaid like an idiot, $300, sorry guys. She was smokin', it was my last night and the sex was good.

I could go into more detail about these experiences, so ask if you like, but the thread is getting long.

I am going back next month. I will be reading all the past threads to get more info. Does anyone have any advice chatting up local girls there? Does anyone use the marriage agencies to get dates, or dating websites?

Any good night clubs other than RP where pro's and non-pro's hang out?

One last thing. I was extremely disapointed in the hospitaltiy of the Ukrainians. I am well traveled, and don't act like an obnoxious American, hell most of the girls I met thought I was European and I still got the cold shoulder from alot of folks. Any opinions on this guys? Good hunting everyone.

Sean Thomas

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Cruiser D
06-21-07, 22:31
Sean nice report so I am not going to just say RTFF. ;)

Major p4p spots in Kyiv. RP, Modabar, 112, Arena, Decadance. In RP it's 99%. In the other bars mentioned 40-60%

European, American, Russia or Ukrainan that is generally how Ukrainians react to anyone. Just ignore it and brush it aside like a local.

Uke Boy
06-23-07, 15:49
Nice report Sean but I want to make a few comments about attitudes, locals and yours.

Let's see if I get this right. You say you were drunk and a lady at RP was "kind of" rude to you. You then paid her and showed her what kind of real man you really were. Nice attitude that you have. Ladies here have a thing about drunks, locals as well as foreigners. They actually think they are useless assholes. There are too many men here who are completely wasted alcoholics and being drunk is not a sign of being a man for women here but someone who is a total loser. And they also think even worse about drunk ladies.

In any case an 80 year old deformed midget who has enough cash can get as much takeaway at RP as he wants.

As for local hospitality, it exists only for friends and family. There is none of this culture of smiles and service.

In fact, most people here swear they can spot an American on the street. Try it yourself next time you are here, he is the one with the never-ending idiot smile on his face.

DJ FourMoney
06-25-07, 14:56
I am very impressed, but I still don't think its to the Scandinavian level of beauty.

Take that as you like, I know this is the Kiev forum and several of you puff up your chest proudly when you talk about Ukrainian women. I like what I see/saw it just don't quite measure up to what I saw in Norway and Sweden that's all I'm saying.

Not sure how my visual appearance is going over though. I'm not really paying attention to girls staring at me as I was with somebody and wanted to show some respect. I feel looks here and there, but generally I get the feeling the Ukrainian women like the rest of East Europe (Prague and Budapest not withstanding) are not used to seeing American Black Men nor totally comfortable with the idea either.

Mondays are generally a bad night for clubbing in any country but my lady friend insist Arena will be decent for a Monday Night. I've had enough of dud clubs for one trip; I don't really need to see another club with 10-15 people in it, mostly men.

It looks like my schedule is open from around 22:00-11:00 as my previously mentioned lady friend needs to be with her daughter through the night. I guess things don't really get started until then...

The Black Traveler has hit Eastern Europe, I'll keep you posted... :D

DJ FourMoney
06-26-07, 04:55
Well I contacted "Telos" about hooking up and he had to go back out of the city. He never returned, maybe today (tonight). So I left flat which is located near Syrets Metro station, $120 US for 3 days, you do the math. If you want I can give you the info on it.

So I ventured back into the City Center. I found my way back to Arena. I was there earlier in the day with my lady-friend (more on her later). I paid to get in and there were some people (about 30-35) inside. I sat at the bar, tried to SMS "Telos" again and cleared some messages from my phone.

Well I saw this cute blond and she sat down one seat away from me. I noticed her and then she moved closer. In fact I had my back turned when she did that and I bumped into her. Well I touched her on the leg on accident once or twice and she didn't flinch. So I tried to make small talk, she was happy to talk to me. She asked where I was from, I said Cali and she said "I don't believe you". I went back to coat check where I had my backpack and pulled out my wallet with my California Commercial Driver's License (I told you I drove trucks...) and showed it too her. She said "sorry" and continued to talk to me.

To shorten the story a bit, we had a drink together. I don't remember what it was called but it was some Italian drink that you lite the alky with a open flame (lighter if you will) and watch it burn for a few seconds. Then pour the flaming liquid into a glass, take the glass you covered the top with, turn it upside down with a straw under it. Then down the burning drink (with the flame out) it is very warm! and then suck on the straw and take in the hot air inside the glass for another very warm shock to the system...

Interesting drink, I'm not a drinker but I enjoyed it.

From there we talked for another 30 mins or so and then she said "let's go". I asked where we were going and she replied "Caribbean". Mmm kay, I know what your all thinking by now and I was getting that impression too, but I didn't want to believe it.

We arrived to Caribbean (she paid the taxi fare btw) and their I met a friend of her, we'll call her "J" because I actually forgot her name just now. She had solid black hair, very pretty green eyes and was "three sheets to the wind" by the time we got to here. Seems the blond we'll call "K" from here on out was here earlier.

Now it made a bit of sense but I still didn't want to believe it. I forgot to mention she mumbled something about her friend during are convo back at Arena (I just remembered "J"s name) and the word sex and price came out of her mouth.

So after getting to Caribbean, I already put 2+2 together. But I wanted to play out the string to see what would happen.

Caribbean was fairly dead, so we next made our way (J, K and myself) to Shooters.

Again to cut the story down a bit, we sat down and I was talking to K, when a couple of dudes interrupted and of course I understand not an ounce of Ukrainian/Russian. But I believe they proportioned "K" and she said she was with me I believe.

Oh I forgot to mention, back at Caribbean, one of the bartenders was going home and rode in the taxi with us over to Caribbean. Well as we all stepped out of the cab and he switched seats, he said "Goodnight Anthony, another Sex Tourist in Kiev..."

:O

Now to be honest I knew what the game was now and obviously these ladies make the rounds and people know what they do. I was taken aback being labeled a sex tourist when I actually came to visit a lady-friend I had been chatting with for a few weeks before I left for Europe back in May. So am I Sex Tourist? Not officially I guess though I have used the services of 3 FKK's in Germany and the Eros Centers in the Frankfurt RLD.

So in a sense I guess that would make me one, but not the reason I came to Kiev or Europe for that matter.

Well now I wanted to make sure that's what "K" dragged me to two other clubs for.

So after some chatter, I said let's talk someplace more quite.

We went up to the 3rd floor of Shooters just below coat check. She re-iterated what she said at the bar just as we finally made the decision to leave.

$150 per for both of us, she said. Now I consider that a bargain as both are in the 6-7 zone, not stunners but cute. K's school picture is actually better than live because she had a small case of acne going and longer hair in the picture. Be that as it may, I was disappointed. If I really wanted P4P I would have gone to River Palace, but I was hoping to meet a nice non-pro girl and didn't even come close it appears.

She wasn't mad or even disappointed. I believe she was actually relieved she didn't have to "fuck" tonight (this morning) and she was concerned about "J" because she wanted to leave with some drunken Ukrainian dude. So we decided to leave without "J" and I shared the ride back to my flat. We dropped her off first, she wanted to eat. She told me she would call me today. I dunno why, I mean I didn't give her any money and she didn't ask, I paid for the cab ride home and that's it.

So we'll see what happens with K....

As for my lady-friend, lol...

She revealed today that she wants to fuck me, even if we don't end up with each other long term. I guess its been a dream of hers to have sex with a black man. So much so she wanted to actually RECORD IT! I was shocked :O

So we'll see what happens this afternoon or this evening. I told you my only freebie might end up being with this woman and I might have it on film, she doesn't even care if I share pictures with anybody, that's a new one...

Where in the hell do I find these women???

I'm starting to think this quest for a wife, children and LTR is rather pointless at my age. If Kiev if filled with nothing but "hoes", no honest women (that can't be true) and I'm not willing to deal with all the visas and shhh with Russian based women yet, so what am I to do???

I can't jump on the "pay" for it bandwagon, I still got hope in Germany, but they again are single mothers, not ideal at all.

Anyway I just thought I would share and yes this entire trip I will never forget for the rest of my life, even though its not turning out even remotely close to what I thought it would be like before I left.

Questions, Comments and Advice more than welcome.

This forum is priceless!

Doctor_Skank
06-26-07, 11:07
So I ventured back into the City Center. I found my way back to Arena. I was there earlier in the day with my lady-friend (more on her later). I paid to get in and there were some people (about 30-35) inside. I sat at the bar, tried to SMS "Telos" again and cleared some messages from my phone.

Well I saw this cute blond and she sat down one seat away from me. I ...

Anyway I just thought I would share and yes this entire trip I will never forget for the rest of my life, even though its not turning out even remotely close to what I thought it would be like before I left.

Questions, Comments and Advice more than welcome.

This forum is priceless!


Kind of sounds like you are getting the runaround DJ4$...

* went to disco, paid for drinks, no play
* girl sez wants sex then bolts, no play

For your sake, I hope you get some tonight with video... don't be so timid! And don't let Kiev and Ukr women chew you up.... :)

The drink was Sambuca, quite popular in EE. Be careful with it though, seen some people burn themselves on it.

As for being another sex tourist in Kiev, that's exactly what you are, right? If you are in Kiev hoping to get laid, you are a sex tourist. No shame there... and Ukrainians pretty much assume all foreigners are sex tourists, which we are....in one degree or another. Would I go to Kiev if it weren't for the women there? Nope.

* Arena and Shooters aren't the best places to look for non-pros, but it is possible to find some I suppose. On a Monday night though, there really aren't better options besides "normal" dating or just going for pro action straight up.

* In the summer it is sex tourist season in Ukraine, when Italians, Americans, Brits, Turks and assorted other sex-starved men descend on the city. The summer is also the time when many students and other normal girls LEAVE the city, so the sex tourist/pro ratios both go up.

Member #3433
06-26-07, 16:35
Uke Boy in reply to your post. I am assuming you live in Kiev.

1. Yes I was drunk. Does drunk mean stumbling, slurring words or acting like an obnoxious tourist. I have to much self respect and class to act that way. When I say I was drunk, my judgement was impaired. I said I was going to "show her". My friend, I was merely making fun of myself for being drunk and doing something I would have not other wise done sober.

2. I am in my thirties and I have figured out that any women Ukrainian, or whomever don't like drunk obnoxious men. Not that hard to figure that one out. Hence, I don't get intoxicated to the point of being, as you would say, a "useless asshole" and "total loser".

3. Lastly, ok so the Ukrainians don't smile. I got it. Its their culture, no problem. The Ukrainians I did get to know, I enjoyed their company and thought they were nice people.

It is easy to hurl insults thru cyber space hidding behind a screen name at people you don't know. I am here to learn some things and maybe I can help someone else. Not to be rude to others.

Also, I will never apologize for being an American and I will have a smile on my face. I love life. Especially when I am on vacation.

I will be in Kiev at the end of next month, if you live there, I would be happy to buy you a drink and chat for a bit.

Happy hunting friend.

Bez Bezarra
06-27-07, 00:42
Where in the hell do I find these women???

I'm starting to think Kiev filled with nothing but hoes, and I'm not willing to deal with all the visas with Russian women yet, so what to do?

A trip I will never forget for the rest of my life, even though its not turning out even remotely close to what I thought it would be like before I left.

This forum is [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)!


You've already learned that you'll find these women in Russia and Ukraine.

The first 4 Ukrainian guys that I made friends with all said the same thing.
ALL Ukriane women are hoes, no exception. They were even willing to concede that their own mothers were included, because when they want something and have no way to get it, whoring themselves is basically an accepted behavior in a country with a very long history of only the strong survive, so you do what ever it takes to get by. And there's no shame in that. I think that's why no matter what female you meet under any circumstances, you could proposition her, and though you'll probably get refused, she is not offended by the offer.

And I would bet that when all of us first went, it wasn't what we imagined, and we'll never forget that time either.

DJ FourMoney
06-28-07, 13:41
Skank -

Well I did put 2 and 2 together and no we could have had sex had I wanted to pay $150. Now truth be told, she SMS'ed me the next day and said meet her at Kreshatik 44. Before that we had planned to meet earlier in the day, but my lady-friend had other ideas and dominated my time.

I believe $150 would have been a "one-time" fee if I had paid it and kept seeing her while I was there. As I said I get the feeling she's a part-timer at best and is mostly a student (confirmed by recent school id).

Well she SMS'ed me again and told me she was going to 112 again. By that time I contacted Telos and we decided to meet at Arena. Well I got side-tracked by going one stop too far on the red line and ended up North of downtown..lol

After contacting a taxi service with a dispatcher that spoke English, I found myself at 112.

I met Telos and I showed him the video I took of Kristina (the girl in question) experiencing that drink I posted about. She is very cute, not a knock-out but I would "sport" her.

Well 112 was worst than Monday night and no sign of Kristina, Julietta or the boy she told me about.

Telos asked if I had been to River Palace yet.... No I hadn't so off we went.

When we walked in, too bad you can't take pictures because I have never seen anything like it!

Only a few "low market" girls, the rest were high rent district, if you can call $200-300 US high when girls that looked this good in the States would run you $500 or more for an hour...

Then I saw her..lol

She isn't that hot actually, but my gawd does she have the biggest tits I have seen on Slavic woman... Well not quite, the girl Essi posted on his thread is pretty much the same, but this one had red hair.

Model Thin but huge breast, something you don't see very often in the States. These could have been "Store Bought" but that has never bothered me.

I got starred down at least twice... I danced with another one with sizable breast, but she kinda dissed me??? I wasn't sure, she said something but then I saw her sit with some other guys. Maybe she wasn't on the menu????

Well it was getting late and the thick wad of women posted by the bar started to thin out. When we walked in, you had to bump you way past some of the finest women I have ever seen just to get your drink, amazing.

I talked to one girl I thought was really attractive and up close - SHE WAS

She spoke what I am terming as passable English, in other words you have to speak slowly, simplify your sentences and cut down on the "slang". She quoted me $200 I thought I had heard, but a bit later it was $300. When I countered with "including anal", she said, no anal. I said $300 was a bit much for no anal. She came back with $250, she asked where my flat was and its on the other side of the city.

I was thinking:

- Get girl back to flat about 6am
- Round One should last about 30-40 mins
- Round Two should happen around 9-10am
- Need to get girl out of flat before Lady friend comes by with Baby and Flat owner for payment

I thought, challenging but maybe too much trouble. So I told her, I would think about it and we left shortly after that.

River Palace is a must-see for even non-mongers, but as you said Skank would we REALLY visit Kiev if we couldn't -

A) Bang HQ regular women inside of 2-3 dates (as Telos has been able too)
B) Rent A Girlfriend for a resonable cost
C) Bang model quality woman for half what it would cost you elsewhere, but maybe FKK's and that's the take home rate
D) If you dig deep enough there's a nice, attractive girl willing to return back to your western country to be your wife, have your children and do all the things American women used to do, but with a modern flare and desire for their own identity within your relationship.

The caveat being you might have to go into the countryside to find those women now if you want 18-25; or women closer to your actual age if you want one from Kiev.

I say that because my lady-friend is 34 (I'm 36) with child, very average looking but otherwise nice. She wants to be married and as she put it "be the woman" in the relationship. She claims the Ukrainian men she meets are "weak" and she ends up being the strong or controlling interest in the relationship.

So yes you can find suitable women to marry in the Ukraine it just might be harder to find the model/eye candy types than it was 15 years ago that aren't consumed with Western Culture.

Oh and yes I got it on video, it wasn't that great, she is deathly afraid of passing on anything to her child as she breast feeds, so I was told not to suck on tits, no DATY and no DFK.

She came, no act here, twice in fact.

As for her as a long term prospect, I HATE THAT FEELING I COULD DO BETTER!

I got a girl pining for me in Kazakstan. So much so she's recruited her friend to track me down on Skype to tell me she came to her house and sat online WAITING FOR ME. And she's better looking, much younger and I would say just as good wifey material.

Some tall (5'10) Estonian chick just Winked at me... I ain't done and there's still most of Eastern Europe to see and I still want another crack at Norway.

I'm back in Germany, what I do from here, I have no idea. I have to be back in Amsterdam by July 3rd so I can fly home the fourth, that's even if Virgin booked my flight as I was suppose to call back in 48 hours to comfirm the change (over a week ago!) and pay the change fees. Ha! I could be stuck her for another week or 10 days, I dunno..lol

I guess I should call Virgin now....

DJ FourMoney
06-28-07, 14:16
Kind of sounds like you are getting the runaround DJ4$...

* went to disco, paid for drinks, no play
* girl sez wants sex then bolts, no play



Actually I paid for first set of "fiery drinks" and that was it. We then left for the other places I only paid for her ride home as we shared the cab. She only didn't come back with me because I didn't want her that way and she understood that and didn't push the issue.

Any hardcore girl would have bolted after it became appearent I would not pay her going rate. It was 5:30 am already when we left Shooters... I had been with her since about 1am...

She called me about midnight last night but lady-friend had just finish fucking me (really, she rode me cowgirl and reverse the whole time) so I didn't want to get caught talking on the phone and then get questioned about it, though thinking about it, I could have used Telos as an alibi...

I don't know if I will ever see or hear from Kristina again but she has been to the States before, you never know.

Gentleman Travel
06-28-07, 15:56
i say that because my lady-friend is 34 (i'm 36) with child, very average looking but otherwise nice. she wants to be married and as she put it "be the woman" in the relationship. she claims the ukrainian men she meets are "weak" and she ends up being the strong or controlling interest in the relationship.

so yes you can find suitable women to marry in the ukraine it just might be harder to find the model/eye candy types than it was 15 years ago that aren't consumed with western culture.

oh and yes i got it on video, it wasn't that great, she is deathly afraid of passing on anything to her child as she breast feeds, so i was told not to suck on tits, no daty and no dfk.

she came, no act here, twice in fact.

as for her as a long term prospect, i hate that feeling i could do better!

i got a girl pining for me in kazakstan. so much so she's recruited her friend to track me down on skype to tell me she came to her house and sat online waiting for me. and she's better looking, much younger and i would say just as good wifey material.

you could do better, a lot better.

if you are serious about getting married, and it sounds like you are, then you have lots of options guys chasing freebies don't. (you also sound like your serious about screwing around, so you might want to sort that out first.) i have looked at the "buying the cow" scenario, and have a couple of future dates lined up on those prospects - a bit older and encumbered, but still very good looking by western standards and i am hoping "eager to please".

i think there are a lot of ee women who are keen to get married and have a civilized western lifestyle. they want western husbands because it gives them the chance of having a family in a safe and stable environment. a lot of these girls are big on kids. and they want a husband who isn't going to be out drinking with the boys all the time and blowing the housekeeping money like russians do.

so if that is what you want, then i think it is available.
but you have to approach the market with that in mind, and adjust your dating site profiles and actions to suit.
maybe the difference in race changes things somewhat, i can't evaluate that.

kids are of course the biggest factor. if you are interested in having kids it should not be hard to find a sincere but sexy russian mate, with a good chance of having the marriage last. it is a lot of work to raise children properly and two pairs of hands and a stable household are by far the best arrangement.

the other possibility is that you are okay with kids, but don't feel that they need to be yours, and would rather miss the whole sleep-deprived, [CodeWord132] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132)-changing years. there are numerous ee girls with young children and no husbands. if these girls are rational loving mothers (and you need to filter out the ones who were just too stupid or careless and got pregnant but would rather still be wild and carefree), they will do anything to protect, nurture and secure a future for their children. you have no idea how important this is to them. daily blow-jobs for their man is a small price for a mother to pay to raise her children in the west and secure a proper education and health care and save her daughter from a life of subjegation or prostitution and her son from compulsory military service fighting chechen rebels.

if you end up with a woman whose child is 3-5 years old, she knows how hard her life is going to be, you know if the kid is nice and healthy (watch for fas or drug addiction), you have avoided the toughest years of child-rearing, and life is about to get a lot easier as the kid goes into kindergarten. plus you know how the woman has survived child-birth - stretch marks, weight-gain and drooping tits. if she is still hot after having her kid, then you are golden - that was the biggest ordeal, although she may still plump-out over thirty, but that may be less likely when removed from the harmful russian environment.

that is what i would do, if i was single again.
i would start to look for woman with a young child, since i don't want to go through the trials of starting over again. unfortunately i would have to look at 35+ women, whereas you can easily look at 25 year-olds, or even younger if you like. 10 years is not a significant age difference for them (whereas it is huge for us).

i have dated a couple of russian women here (in canada), more than 10 years my junior, one really hot and one just very nice (with kids), both sexy and fun in bed, both knew i was married, and i certainly could have had either of them long term if i had wanted. i guess they were hoping i would ditch my wife. sometimes i wish the really hot one had hung on a little longer...

but my point is, these were women who were already in the west and didn't need a green card or a sugar daddy, both were university educated and professionally employed, they just wanted a suitable and reliable mate, because that is their inner agenda. so imagine the candy that is available if you are going to be her white knight and rescue her from kazakhstan or some other shithole!

happy hunting,

gt

Cruiser D
06-29-07, 01:14
DJ

$200-300/hr is the going rate for a model quality rock your world pro 18-26 year old in the US (including a lot of Ukrainian girls who live in the US). You are not getting a deal by paying this in Kiev.

The girl you met who dragged you all over Kiev on a monday night is a professional clubber. She paid for the taxi? Who paid for the drinks and entrance fees?

That's too funny about the girl not believing you are from California - every other American guy claims to be from LA. ;)

DJ FourMoney
06-29-07, 01:40
DJ

$200-300/hr is the going rate for a model quality rock your world pro 18-26 year old in the US (including a lot of Ukrainian girls who live in the US). You are not getting a deal by paying this in Kiev.

The girl you met who dragged you all over Kiev on a monday night is a professional clubber. She paid for the taxi? Who paid for the drinks and entrance fees?

That's too funny about the girl not believing you are from California - every other American guy claims to be from LA. ;)

Well (with loud chicken-headed American & Canadian women in the background) I haven't scanned through Eros.com lately but you may be correct. But Telos told me he has paid between $150-200 for a RP chick and had to kick her out after he was done. Under that scenario, you are getting the bargain for 3-4 hours worth of sex, with many girls staying beyond the morning if you let them and they enjoy your company, right??? Or is that only on the Rio/Sao Paulo forum?? lol

To break down my evening's cost with Kristina -

I paid $30H for 112, I paid for 2 Fire Drinks $50H

Then we left 112. She got a taxi, when we exited at Caribbean she paid, I didn't. No entry to get into Caribbean we just walked in. No drinks, not there long enough, drunk friend and name-calling bartender leave in same taxi. Arrive at Shooters, I gave the driver $10H. I paid for 1 Coke 10H at Shooters.

Total cost about 120H for the evening, including coat check at 112 and the 10H tip I gave the coat check girl at Shooters.

I was told by 2 people Shooters is a "freebies" only nightclub, which makes Kristina, yes more of a clubber than a part-timer. Maybe she was just looking for some action on the side and wanted to fuck me but figured I would pay for it if she just laid it out there.

When I viewed her as a PERSON not an object she was cool about it and if it wasn't for me being lazy I might have caught up with her on Tues and if I hadn't had to play damage control with my lady-friend, I could have finally had her and maybe a RP chick too, oh well.

Being from California -

Yeah I know, she might have thought I was another African trying to pull one over on somebody...

DJ FourMoney
06-29-07, 02:09
1) Average looking half Ukrainian half Hungarian women with a 7 month old
2) Above Average looking German women with 2 kids*
3) Above Average looking German women with 2 kids*

*One lives in Gissen and the other in Helibronn both have names that start with "T" and both have been married to African-American service men at one point...

My dating profiles are setup nicely but that doesn't stop fat chicks for example from contacting me... They don't read, they look at pictures just like the men do.

I could put something like NO SINGLE MOTHERS in my profiles, but that's a bit harsh and some MILF's are just too hot to say NO too, its just these examples are basically forgettable, nothing special about them really.

Sure they would make good wifey material because the Germans have been cheated on or abused or both and the Ukrainian needs a strong man, but I truly believe beautiful women have dating problems that average and below women have no knowledge of and can't begin to understand.

Truly hot women have no problem attracting suiters, even if they have children. Truly average women have another strike against them when men can go "hey you have children you better be hot looking". As one of them I called on accident trying to call the other German girl and she blew her top when she found out she was about, umm 3rd or 4th on the list of things to do.

I said look, I am a single man with no children, I get to call the shots, you don't.

Then she tried to say I had changed since my father died. Actually NO I haven't changed, it was always the plan to see her near the end of my trip because the Norwegian girl I was talking too at the same time was YOUNGER, HOTTER and only had ONE YOUNG child. She didn't like what she saw in person, oh well things don't always worked as planned. I still didn't want to see 2nd priority yet as I had no idea how local women would react to me and to be honest I still DON'T. I have either picked bad nights to go out on or I'm traveling or I'm just lazy.

I got out of the cab at Arena on Tues to meet Telos and as I got out, a brunette Ukrainian girl smiled at me. I went around the corner, thought about it, went back and motioned to her to come here, she smiled and was very coy about it and shook her head no, oh well... Once I got in the club and found Telos, some Danish girl on a school trip grab my arm and asked me to dance. She was cute, a little thick, but I was down. But then 2 different school mates COCKBLOCKED me I couldn't believe it. The 2nd time it happend, Telos asked if had been to RP and I said no, we can go now...

And to be honest I don't feel I look as good now as I did when I first touched down in Europe. My hair has grown out and its not as tight as it was when I left the States and being black I can't just let ANYBODY cut my hair.

But to get back on topic...

Eastern Europe in general is new territory for Western Black Males and as with everywhere else in the world, we might not appeal to everybody but there is going to be a few that give us attention just because we are black and as a Caucasian Canadian guy I met downstairs an hour or so ago said "Well since you have institutionalized racism, you might as well use it to your advantage" and I totally AGREE...

I wouldn't trade being Black for all the tee in China....

I'm already semi planning my next assault on Europe with a focus on Eastern Europe and a return to Scandinavia and thinking seriously about taking a year off from work just so I can spend full time chasing whatever. I don't have it mixed up, while I am searching it does not mean I have to go sexless....

Telos
06-29-07, 22:01
DJ

$200-300/hr is the going rate for a model quality rock your world pro 18-26 year old in the US (including a lot of Ukrainian girls who live in the US). You are not getting a deal by paying this in Kiev.

The girl you met who dragged you all over Kiev on a monday night is a professional clubber. She paid for the taxi? Who paid for the drinks and entrance fees?

That's too funny about the girl not believing you are from California - every other American guy claims to be from LA. ;)I would love to see a model quality 18-26 year old Ukrainian girl in Los Angeles for $200-$300/hour "full service". I would be all over it. I don't think it exists or I am looking in the wrong places.

DJ FourMoney good times bud! Sorry you could not stay longer. I will keep you posted on my waitress ;)

If any other ISG member is in Kiev and wants to meet up for a drink and hit the free scene (or hell even paid) PM me.

Cruiser D
06-30-07, 11:19
Telos, my stomping grounds are Boston, NYC and Miami. Russian/Ukrainian girls are all over the place, including pro's looking to date for $200-300/hr (and that's retail price). I'm not going to link you to prove a point but there are more then enough memebers online who can vouch that Cruiser D isn't living in an internet fantasy world. I'm not only a ho master and serial dater in Eastern Europe but the US too. ;)

I don't make it out to LA often but it's been my experience that hot girls are a dime a dozen out there and much cheaper then the east coast.

DJ, All I'm looking for in a pro is 2 hours tops. Anything else after that is a liability.

Bandit7
06-30-07, 14:11
Excellent advice!

All I'm looking for in a pro is 2 hours tops. Anything else after that is a liability.

DJ FourMoney
06-30-07, 15:32
Telos, my stomping grounds are Boston, NYC and Miami. Russian/Ukrainian girls are all over the place, including pro's looking to date for $200-300/hr (and that's retail price). I'm not going to link you to prove a point but there are more then enough memebers online who can vouch that Cruiser D isn't living in an internet fantasy world. I'm not only a ho master and serial dater in Eastern Europe but the US too. ;)

I don't make it out to LA often but it's been my experience that hot girls are a dime a dozen out there and much cheaper then the east coast.

DJ, All I'm looking for in a pro is 2 hours tops. Anything else after that is a liability.

I believe you D, bargains can be found ANYWHERE...

Serial Dater huh? lol Girls must love the challenge of trying to get you to commit and you won't only to their disappointment.

I had fun in one of the visa-less FSU countries and I do wanna go back. I should have just changed my ticket and faked going to the airport as Lady-Friend left for the comfort of the village where her mother lives and I more than likely would have bagged Kristina for free or even at the rate she wanted, been my woman for the rest of my time there and I would have perfectly happy with that.

A Russian girl I have been talking too is going to Turkey for vacation (she's a teacher too) and wanted to know if I could join her. Now money really isn't an issue, but time is. I told my job I would be back July 4th when my original return date was June 19th and my manager was disappointed, like I care. But I need this job for the time being and while I would love to find an excuse to stay, I'll come back in Oct and hit it hard since I know a bit more than I did before.

Telos
06-30-07, 15:48
Telos, my stomping grounds are Boston, NYC and Miami. Russian/Ukrainian girls are all over the place, including pro's looking to date for $200-300/hr (and that's retail price). I'm not going to link you to prove a point but there are more then enough memebers online who can vouch that Cruiser D isn't living in an internet fantasy world. I'm not only a ho master and serial dater in Eastern Europe but the US too. ;)

I don't make it out to LA often but it's been my experience that hot girls are a dime a dozen out there and much cheaper then the east coast.

DJ, All I'm looking for in a pro is 2 hours tops. Anything else after that is a liability.I don't doubt you are a ho master or serial dater in US or EE but I do doubt you will find a $200-$300/hour for a MODEL QUALITY Ukrainian/Russian girl offering "full service" in Los Angeles. Most model quality Ukrainian/Russian girls in LA are models or are simply taken care of as with most hot girls in LA.

Anyway - happy hunting!

Cruiser D
07-01-07, 14:32
Telos, they are all over the place in LA Craig's List and Eros. Geez, do you want me to call them for you too? ;)

I know a escort that moved from Boston to LA. She was very popular in the Boston area but couldn't get a date to save her life in LA because there are just too many younger hotter girls looking to do it cheaper (she was 27-28).

If you pay more (for top quality) then $300/hr in the US and $100-150/2 hrs in Kiev (for a RP, Arena, Decadance girl) you are getting fucked, not in a good way either. Too many guys let their penis do the thinking for them.

It looks like bad news for US Americans. The EU is going to drop the visa requirements for any Ukrainian citizen down to about nothing. Guess the Pols are starting to charge too much money and the EU needs some fresh slave labor. ;)

It Travel
07-01-07, 14:50
Telos, they are all over the place in LA Craig's List and Eros. Geez, do you want me to call them for you too? ;)

I know a escort that moved from Boston to LA. She was very popular in the Boston area but couldn't get a date to save her life in LA because there are just too many younger hotter girls looking to do it cheaper (she was 27-28).

If you pay more (for top quality) then $300/hr in the US and $100-150/hr in Kiev (for a RP, Arena, Decadance girl) you are getting fucked, not in a good way either. Too many guys let their penis do the thinking for them.

It looks like bad news for US Americans. The EU is going to drop the visa requirements for any Ukrainian citizen down to about nothing. Guess the Pols are starting to charge too much money and the EU needs some fresh slave labor. ;)

I'm not in in Hour price, but I know that for 300/500 USD per night you can get all the girls you want in Kiev. And for night I do not mean getting out of the club at 4 a.m. and then she has to go to university at 9 a.m.! ;)

IT

Cruiser D
07-01-07, 16:45
I really don't consider that a deal (for her maybe). $300 for a all night thing - from 6pm to 6am might be okay if she was a super hot semi pro, $500 would be insane. And from 4am - 9am, no way. And if you are dealing with a semi pro or semi pro you've seen a number of times you shouldn't be paying more then $100 for a night.

But then again I passed the point in Kiev a while ago were going out to look for p4p is more of a hassle then simply ringing up a freebie.

Eros74
07-01-07, 18:07
...

But then again I passed the point in Kiev a while ago were going out to look for p4p is more of a hassle then simply ringing up a freebie.

Cruiser D,

hello, never been in Kiev, but could you explain me please this sentence?

Easier to get regular than pro?

You mean regular from disko or net without money, besides dinner and presents or what else?

Thanks!

DJ FourMoney
07-02-07, 00:02
Cruiser D,

hello, never been in Kiev, but could you explain me please this sentence?

Easier to get regular than pro?

You mean regular from disko or net without money, besides dinner and presents or what else?

Thanks!

It is easy to chat up girls in Kiev, however a bit of Russian might help you with regular girls. I would think most of the good girls are out of town and in Odessa or Crimea this time of year (for the ones that could afford it) and likely a high percentage of English speaking Slavic girls are full time or part-timers.

Shooters would be a place I would start. As I understand it, they strongly discourage P4P and its mostly "freebies" in there.

With some considerable time, as several weeks, its possible to bag a regular girl, just ask Telos...

Bez Bezarra
07-02-07, 03:16
Big news.

The EU is going to drop visas for Ukrainian citizens

start the money and the slave labor.



This is big, but what dyevs wil stay? Will the city girls go, and leave a vacuum in the city for more country girls to come into the cities?

It Travel
07-02-07, 08:03
i really don't consider that a deal (for her maybe). $300 for a all night thing - from 6pm to 6am might be okay if she was a super hot semi pro, $500 would be insane. and from 4am - 9am, no way. and if you are dealing with a semi pro or semi pro you've seen a number of times you shouldn't be paying more then $100 for a night.

but then again i passed the point in kiev a while ago were going out to look for p4p is more of a hassle then simply ringing up a freebie.

of course you can get as cheap as 150 usd/night... but it depends what you want. by the way not only in matter of beauty, also in matter of sex!

if you want an anal girl getting cim and cof, she is usually at least 100 usd (for the night) mor expencive than one just doing classic sex...

usually the rate for a nice pro (selfstanding) is around 300/night like [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901), but this is another stor i'll tell next time.

it

It Travel
07-02-07, 08:07
This is big, but what dyevs wil stay? Will the city girls go, and leave a vacuum in the city for more country girls to come into the cities?

I think we have to go mongering in the country. I have been there several times up to 2005, and I can say the prices where alf than in Kiev, it's enough with 150 km. Of course It's more difficult to find and handle and the choice is limited. But...

I still remember several hours, nearly overnights, with BBBJ, CIM and swallowing paid less than 100 USD, via hotel security.

IT

Cumming To Kiev
07-02-07, 12:27
Hi all you dirty fuckers!

Yes, I'm another one of those annoying Kiev-virgins begging for a few pearls of wisdom from all you experienced International *****mongers! I won't be in town for long. Maybe only for one night. So I can't afford to fuck about if I want to "fuck about"! I want to ensure that I maximise my time in this wonderful sounding part of the world, and what better way to do so than by asking you, the fine people who've been there, done it and got the T-shirt (and of course fucked the sexy little minx wearing the T-shirt! )

So please, if anyone can spare the time to point a like-minded soul in the right direction I will be most most grateful. And in return for your kindness I hereby solemnly swear to write the longest, most descriptive, most wank-worthy report this forum has ever seen, giving a no holds barred, blow-by-blow account of everything that happens, and giving full credit and namechecks to anyone who helps me make the most of Kiev!

Still reading? OK, then here is my "list of demands"!

1. As I may only have a window of opportunity of one measly night, I need as near to guaranteed action as I can get! Plus I will probably be being entertained by my client during the evening so I can't afford to waste hours chasing round the clubs trying to catch me a hottie (great fun though that sounds! ). But then again, if that's the best way to do it then that's what I'll have to do! Or do I just order one up on "room service", and if I do which agency/website/girl is the best place to start? Any advice?

2. I don't expect something for nothing and am prepared to pay my way, but don't want to pay way over the odds, scammed, ripped off or taken for a ride (except of the naked woman on cock variety! ). How safe are these "rendevous"? How likely am I to wake up with no wallet, no passport and no clothes? Or find myself at gunpoint with some Mafia heavy demanding to know the number of the hotel room safe? Am I breaking any laws? Are the girls?

3. If prices are reasonable enough I might be tempted to spoil myself and go for two lovelies (well if I'm only there for one night I might as well make the most of it! LOL! ). Do I need to choose a double act upfront or could I just order two singles and see what happens?

4. In an ideal world I’d love someone young, pretty, great body, shaven, does anal and lots of kinky stuff! Oh yeah, and it would be great if she spoke at least a little bit of English and was fun and lovely and up for a laugh! Don’t ask for much do I! (By the way, for what little it’s worth I’m English, white, late 30’s, reasonably good looking with a reasonably good body and an unreasonably large cock! LOL! ) Anyone got any names, numbers, suggestions who might fit the bill?

And yes, I know you’ll probably all write back saying "read the fucking forum", but there are so many conflicting reports about GIA, etc, that it would be good (for me and other newbies) to have a considered view all in one place. That’s if anyone can be bothered to reply!

Thanks for reading this essay!

Cheers

Uke Boy
07-02-07, 19:41
Cumming,

Nice try, but RTFF.

There are all too many posters such as Qjump from 2 months ago. Same MO. "Help me and I will post." Actual posts from Qjump since then, zero. Just more lies.

The forum is a fantatic resource but why should I or anyone else waste a lot of time fullfilling your many requests when all of the info is here if you stopped being lazy and just, ahem, RTFF.

Doctor_Skank
07-02-07, 20:49
Hi all you dirty fuckers!

Yes, I'm another one of those annoying Kiev-virgins begging for a few pearls of wisdom from all you experienced International *****mongers! I won't be in town for long. Maybe only for one night. So I can't afford to fuck about if I want to "fuck about"! I want to ensure that I maximise my time in this wonderful sounding part of the world, and what better way to do so than by asking you, the fine people who've been there, done it and got the T-shirt (and of course fucked the sexy little minx wearing the T-shirt! )

So please, if anyone can spare the time to point a like-minded soul in the right direction I will be most most grateful. And in return for your kindness I hereby solemnly swear to write the longest, most descriptive, most wank-worthy report this forum has ever seen, giving a no holds barred, blow-by-blow account of everything that happens, and giving full credit and namechecks to anyone who helps me make the most of Kiev!

Still reading? OK, then here is my "list of demands"!

1. As I may only have a window of opportunity of one measly night, I need as near to guaranteed action as I can get! Plus I will probably be being entertained by my client during the evening so I can't afford to waste hours chasing round the clubs trying to catch me a hottie (great fun though that sounds! ). But then again, if that's the best way to do it then that's what I'll have to do! Or do I just order one up on "room service", and if I do which agency/website/girl is the best place to start? Any advice?

2. I don't expect something for nothing and am prepared to pay my way, but don't want to pay way over the odds, scammed, ripped off or taken for a ride (except of the naked woman on cock variety! ). How safe are these "rendevous"? How likely am I to wake up with no wallet, no passport and no clothes? Or find myself at gunpoint with some Mafia heavy demanding to know the number of the hotel room safe? Am I breaking any laws? Are the girls?

3. If prices are reasonable enough I might be tempted to spoil myself and go for two lovelies (well if I'm only there for one night I might as well make the most of it! LOL! ). Do I need to choose a double act upfront or could I just order two singles and see what happens?

4. In an ideal world I’d love someone young, pretty, great body, shaven, does anal and lots of kinky stuff! Oh yeah, and it would be great if she spoke at least a little bit of English and was fun and lovely and up for a laugh! Don’t ask for much do I! (By the way, for what little it’s worth I’m English, white, late 30’s, reasonably good looking with a reasonably good body and an unreasonably large cock! LOL! ) Anyone got any names, numbers, suggestions who might fit the bill?

And yes, I know you’ll probably all write back saying "read the fucking forum", but there are so many conflicting reports about GIA, etc, that it would be good (for me and other newbies) to have a considered view all in one place. That’s if anyone can be bothered to reply!

Thanks for reading this essay!

Cheers

Masturbation will save you thousands... millions of dollars!!!

Qjump
07-02-07, 21:16
Cumming,

Nice try, but RTFF.

There are all too many posters such as Qjump from 2 months ago. Same MO. "Help me and I will post." Actual posts from Qjump since then, zero. Just more lies.

The forum is a fantatic resource but why should I or anyone else waste a lot of time fullfilling your many requests when all of the info is here if you stopped being lazy and just, ahem, RTFF.Strange that I just decided to stop asking questions and get on with it! After you seemed to have a problem with me asking a question.

Since I am currently still on my trip in ukraine and have been for six weeks now seemed a bad move to post until I returned.( all pretty good so far)

Been to Kiev a couple of weeks ago and I will post regarding my exploits at a later date, Currently in Donensk where I plan to buy an apartment as I have to return to Ukraine on business for two weeks every month so it seems the best way to enjoy.

Member #4537
07-02-07, 21:25
Met a Ukrainian beauty by the name of Svetla at the Dragon I club. Excellent BBBJ and GFE. Only drawback was that she did not agree to do Greek and her phone rang for ages. Damage was $150 for the night plus taxi the next morning.

Enjoy.

Bez Bezarra
07-02-07, 23:32
Hi dirt fucks! I'm annoying you!

In town for one night I can maximise my time by asking you for a T-shirt!

I hereby solemnly swear to wake up with no wallet, no passport and find myself at gunpoint with some Mafia heavy demanding I soil myself and take it anal with an unreasonably large cock!

And yes, I know about GIA!



Welcome to the forum. You'll have the night of your life.

Irish Lad
07-03-07, 01:04
Hello all,

For anal I would suggest Yana.

http://www.singles.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=135464530

Enjoy

Eros74
07-03-07, 01:12
Cause as you "quote" the post, nobody else is able to do it so right and so GOOD! ;)

Cumming To Kiev
07-03-07, 09:47
OK guys, I get the message! Still, your responses, whilst not exactly helping
out, did make me laugh!

I have been through the forum again (it wasn't like I hadn't gone through it
before though!) and have come to the following conclusions...

The River Palace seems to be the way to go. Reports of it seem to be almost
exclusively positive and you do do get to "see before you buy"! In contrast,
reports on the escort agencies - GIA, Top Models, etc - seem to veer from one extreme to the other, with one posting declaring them fantastic, reasonable and honest, and the next saying they are overpriced, lying, rip-off merchants! What is a poor boy (though obviously not so poor he can't afford a ***** for the night!) supposed to believe?!

What isn't particularly clear from the reports though is what time the action
starts at RP (see, I'm already talking like an experienced veteran of the Kiev
whoring scene!)? Lots of reports talk about 3 and 4am and getting the vodka Red Bulls in, but I think I'd rather get my "purchase" home sooner rather than later and enjoy it while I'm still sober and awake enough to do so! So come on lads, can't someone tell me what time the ladies arrive and what time is deemed a respectable time to leave with one? You don't have to even write a whole sentence, a simple time will do! LOL!

And yes, I do realise that I might not get the full choice of beauties (but by
the sound of it it's not likely to be a case of "go ugly, early"!) and I know
I'll probably have to pay a bit more for the privilige (but then I'd rather the
lithe little lovely was sitting on my cock at midnight, rather than sitting on
the barstool next to me!)

Looking forward to reading some more acerbic putdowns (and who knows, maybe even the odd helpful answer!) Come on Bez, do your worst!

Qjump
07-03-07, 10:47
Cumming,

I will try and help I was there two weeks ago and return next week RP is great BUT in reality the later you leave it the better VFM you will get. Midnight I found seems to be when you can start to get the real lookers in. But if you try to take one at that time it seems to me you pay extra.

As for Top Models I have me 2 girls from there and perhaps I was lucky but both times they where the same girl in the picture, I like to try the ones that seem to have the more natural "at home" type pictures that are not obviously professional. But hey I am new to the whole Ukraine punting thing. What do I know?

I just always thought forums where for the exchange of information and experience helps the inexperienced, but some on here seem to think its an old boys club for the experienced only.

BTW I love the Ukraine and have been here many times over the last few years but this is the first time my wife has not been in tow. And she never will be again. (she is Russian)

ENJOY!

Uke Boy
07-03-07, 11:26
I do not have a problem with folks asking questions, I have a problem with folks who ask with pretty promises of posting and then disappear forever. You can "get on with it" but your actual contributions to this forum have been zero.

You seem to repeat your mantra in that you want to "wait" until you get back to give us the benefit of your experiences. All your comments so far have been about "later date" postings, and those are your words not mine, that in April and again now.

Perhaps you can cut this BS and actually post.

It would be good if you could help the rest of us in regular posts from Donetsk where we have only American Ukraine for any information, who also seems to have disappeared.

I suggest you stop wasting bandwith and being defensive about your lack of posts and start giving us actual and even same day information.

Tremayne
07-03-07, 19:53
Okay Cumming to Kiev if RP is your decision then try going there on a Tuesday
which is Ladies Night (on this night they don't pay entrance to the nightclub) If you go straight down to the Sports Bar on the lower deck say around 23.30 to midnight you usually get a fair selection taking a coffeee or tea before they go upstairs to the club. Although this is a good time to get a varied choice it is not a good time to cut a deal for the simple reason that unless you look like Brad Pitt they ain't going to give you a discount.They know that there is bound to be someone prepared to pay full price ie: $200 for 2 hours or maybe more at that time of night.Later on, say around 03.00 to 04.00 you will be in a better position to negotiate either because you are their last chance of scoring or because they have already worked once that night and you are their little bit of bonus for the evening.
If you haven't found anything by 04.00 trying getting a cab to Shooters where you will find a lot of girls who look like students which indeed many of them are. However contary to popular opinion some of these girls work and for less money than the ones at RP.

Good Luck



OK guys, I get the message! Still, your responses, whilst not exactly helping
out, did make me laugh!

I have been through the forum again (it wasn't like I hadn't gone through it
before though!) and have come to the following conclusions...

The River Palace seems to be the way to go. Reports of it seem to be almost
exclusively positive and you do do get to "see before you buy"! In contrast,
reports on the escort agencies - GIA, Top Models, etc - seem to veer from one extreme to the other, with one posting declaring them fantastic, reasonable and honest, and the next saying they are overpriced, lying, rip-off merchants! What is a poor boy (though obviously not so poor he can't afford a ***** for the night!) supposed to believe?!

What isn't particularly clear from the reports though is what time the action
starts at RP (see, I'm already talking like an experienced veteran of the Kiev
whoring scene!)? Lots of reports talk about 3 and 4am and getting the vodka Red Bulls in, but I think I'd rather get my "purchase" home sooner rather than later and enjoy it while I'm still sober and awake enough to do so! So come on lads, can't someone tell me what time the ladies arrive and what time is deemed a respectable time to leave with one? You don't have to even write a whole sentence, a simple time will do! LOL!

And yes, I do realise that I might not get the full choice of beauties (but by
the sound of it it's not likely to be a case of "go ugly, early"!) and I know
I'll probably have to pay a bit more for the privilige (but then I'd rather the
lithe little lovely was sitting on my cock at midnight, rather than sitting on
the barstool next to me!)

Looking forward to reading some more acerbic putdowns (and who knows, maybe even the odd helpful answer!) Come on Bez, do your worst!

It Travel
07-04-07, 13:36
That is the timetabble I was comlying before Tremayne... to late, few hours. I live to have my blondinka, possibly teen, in the bed fos some fun at 7.00 pm, so I can go out after, clubbing, and the back for a second round. Third in the morning.

Of course it's more expencive but...

IT

AColonizer
07-04-07, 13:39
I met a good girl and a good deal in kiev and I put here just two comments:

- for the beginners, never pay more than 100 usd for two hours full service without condom;

- for the beginners, never pay more than 250/300 usd for a 12 hours overnight.

If a girl asks more than 100 usd for two hours (above all, if with condom), I strongly suggest to have a handjob and save money.

I phoned a lot of prostitutes of internet sites and they had a very stupid behaviour for example to arrange a meeting and then to cancel it at the meeting hour or they said "I come later" and then they never came!

AColonizer
07-04-07, 14:41
It seems there are two types of prostitutes in Ukraine: prostitutes for tourists, very expensive and few services, and prostitutes for locals, cheap and very full services.

It seems prostitutes for locals use own flats or massage parlors as small brothels and it seems prostitutes for locals are contacted by word-by-mouth (sorry for my English).

I say that because I met a girl that does it. Therefore the question is: how can we meet prostitutes for locals?

It is hard to ask cheap prostitutes to hotel security men and taxi drivers because they have their own part of business.

Bez Bezarra
07-05-07, 02:46
It seems there are prostitutes in Ukraine for locals, cheap full service that are contacted by word-by-mouth.

I met a girl that does it.

The question is: how?



YOU met her, so.....how?

(and what kind of a name is Alcoholsneezer?

Cruiser D
07-05-07, 04:08
ac, how about pretending to know something about kiev and the ukraine after you actually visit.

it's bad enough having to read it's teenage [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) fantasies and posting pictures of girls he's never met but atleast he's actually been to kiev.

It Travel
07-05-07, 05:47
ac, how about pretending to know something about kiev and the ukraine after you actually visit.

it's bad enough having to read it's teenage [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) fantasies and posting pictures of girls he's never met but atleast he's actually been to kiev.


dear crusier d

perhaps the only difference is that i post pics of mine (lots of girls) and pics from interent too, of girls saying openly that they will make sex for money... at least i say when pics are mine, and when they are not, and mostly i give out the links of the girls... (the already fucked ones of course).

and definitely i have been both in russia and ukraine (na many other places) and also not in moscow or kiev, but in the deep country where you still find a student (model type) for 150 usd a night...

of course i have my fantasies.... they are mostly in the anal section... whats the problem. two adults with the consent of both...

i think that the problem of acolonizer is that he has never been anywhere!

at least i have been a regular of russian brothels where nobody were speaking a word of english (sometimes with russian friends), not in ukraine, they had no special price list for foreigers. the girl was only expecting a nice tip (unused by locals) after an afternoon long good service.

it

AColonizer
07-05-07, 11:53
It is funny. I wrote "I met" means "I was in Kiev and this was my short experience"! I saw a lot of further things that I can't write because there is a person named Cruiser the that decides what is real and what is unreal: Cruiser the, you remind me the security men of my hotel. You understand what I mean:.)

There are beautiful and funny girls (like Vika) available for 250$/night and there are girls, so called models, available for 100/150$/hour and a bad service!

So my question is important because it is important to give work to girls deserve to work! Crazy and cheaty girls are also here in Ukraine and in all over the world! I needed to find somebody, speaking Ukrainian, to phone some prostitutes and however they didn't have a professional behaviour! For example I phone and she suddendly hangs off the phone (Ania), "No, I don't speak English. " because it is too hard to speak some English words (Karina), or "I come at 10. 00 p. M. " and after she cancels the date (Karina), or "I come at 10. 00" and then "I come later" and "I come never, sorry" (Natasha), or "I can't come" and just after few minutes "now I come" but I found another girl, or some girls, showed in Internet, don't work anymore (Olesia).

May somebody say this is not Kiev, too?

Cruiser D
07-06-07, 11:06
AC, when did you sneak off to Kiev? I'm surprised you didn't mention that here because you have talked so much about the Ukraine without ever having been there. I thought we atleast would have got a warning you were coming. ;)

So you've been to Kiev? Where did you stay? Where did you go? Do tell...

It Travel
07-06-07, 13:04
It is funny. I wrote "I met" means "I was in Kiev and this was my short experience"! I saw a lot of further things that I can't write because there is a person named Cruiser the that decides what is real and what is unreal: Cruiser the, you remind me the security men of my hotel. You understand what I mean:.)

There are beautiful and funny girls (like Vika) available for 250$/night and there are girls, so called models, available for 100/150$/hour and a bad service!

So my question is important because it is important to give work to girls deserve to work! Crazy and cheaty girls are also here in Ukraine and in all over the world! I needed to find somebody, speaking Ukrainian, to phone some prostitutes and however they didn't have a professional behaviour! For example I phone and she suddendly hangs off the phone (Ania), "No, I don't speak English. " because it is too hard to speak some English words (Karina), or "I come at 10. 00 p. M. " and after she cancels the date (Karina), or "I come at 10. 00" and then "I come later" and "I come never, sorry" (Natasha), or "I can't come" and just after few minutes "now I come" but I found another girl, or some girls, showed in Internet, don't work anymore (Olesia).

May somebody say this is not Kiev, too?


It might be Kiev too... as Moscow. As anywhere.

You are doing the topjob, since some time I do not find any girl giving me problems. Even in Kiev. It's the work you do before making the difference. By chat, mail SMS etc...

It's not that with your code name you are sometime drunk?! It's just a question. As you know I like to carefully select the teens and them get them to bed, for their mandatory work, usually well before 8.00 pm sometimes even 6-7.00 a.m. (we never get out of the bed! Too tired!).

IT

It Travel
07-06-07, 13:05
AC, when did you sneak off to Kiev? I'm surprised you didn't mention that here because you have talked so much about the Ukraine without ever having been there. I thought we atleast would have got a warning you were coming. ;)

So you've been to Kiev? Where did you stay? Where did you go? Do tell...


Probably he has never been there....

this is what our friend was writing, see his reports! It's very useful!

"Fourth. I am not a perverted person because I can’t fuck a girl with no love. I like to have VERY wild sex and I like to be VERY romantic. But sex is not compulsory for me. So be carefully with your opinions about me because this forum may have a lot of users that fucked Marina at 13 with no humanity and now they write good and unreal matters."

I made no changins at all... It's just copied and pasted... Hi report number 63 of 06-17-07, 19:04


IT

DJ FourMoney
07-06-07, 13:57
Probably he has never been there....

I can tell you where I stayed, you wouldn't want to stay their unless your a veteran of Kiev. I guess I am a veteran, but the flat owners don't speak english and people that rented mostly for married men "flings" so no need for internet for example, even though I pirated WiFi from one of the flats in the building.

I was with Telos on Tues at 112 and River Palace

I did the rounds (covered in my other post) on a Monday with a part-timer.

Not that I need to prove to Cruiser anything but at least he knows I am not lying - ;)

It Travel
07-06-07, 14:48
I can tell you where I stayed, you wouldn't want to stay their unless your a veteran of Kiev. I guess I am a veteran, but the flat owners don't speak english and people that rented mostly for married men "flings" so no need for internet for example, even though I pirated WiFi from one of the flats in the building.

I was with Telos on Tues at 112 and River Palace

I did the rounds (covered in my other post) on a Monday with a part-timer.

Not that I need to prove to Cruiser anything but at least he knows I am not lying - ;)


Sorry but if you read carefully you might understan I was speaking on another guy.... AC etc....

It's all. If you are thre give a check to RP. May be you can join the club (may be you already did) of the MT nailers...

:D :D :D

IT


PS but if you rent out her be sure of getting a 20 mg Cialis before... she will drain you.

James T Kirk
07-06-07, 15:03
Hi.

Which areas of Kiev can I find students for sex relationship?

What is the behaviour to approach students for sex relantionship?

Bye.

Uke Boy
07-06-07, 15:04
DJ

Try and ignore most things that IT writes about. The rest of us have. For the most part he is harmless but alas he is also senseless.

If you do make the mistake of taking home MT (Mystery Tramp), make sure you also have a stash of antibiotics handy.

I enjoyed her when she first started about 5 years ago but since then, I suspect every hole has been used and abused to the point of uselessness.

DJ FourMoney
07-06-07, 15:05
Sorry but if you read carefully you might understan I was speaking on another guy.... AC etc....

It's all. If you are thre give a check to RP. May be you can join the club (may be you already did) of the MT nailers...

:D :D :D

IT


PS but if you rent out her be sure of getting a 20 mg Cialis before... she will drain you.

Yes at my age which sucks I do need it, 10mg is enough however...

I haven't join the club yet, I did find a nice "dime" though and Telos can confirm. She wanted $300, then $250 it was 4:30am and no anal, I said "I'll think about it and we left about 20 mins later"

I know you weren't talking to me specifically and I have about 200+ post that don't involve anything overseas until I actually went this past 35 days I spent in Europe (I got home about 17 hours ago) and I have shared my experience in Kiev although short to show people they can do it with only the information from this broad and I didn't have to post any questions about should I go here or there or not. I went, formed my own opinion and shared to help others.

Plus you know this and the Rio forum get alot of traffic and I wanted to be apart of that - :D

DJ FourMoney
07-06-07, 15:09
DJ

Try and ignore most things that IT writes about. The rest of us have. For the most part he is harmless but alas he is also senseless.

If you do make the mistake of taking home MT (Mystery Tramp), make sure you also have a stash of antibiotics handy.

I enjoyed her when she first started about 5 years ago but since then, I suspect every hole has been used and abused to the point of uselessness.

Okay I have seen the whole MT thread and I didn't see that girl the whole time, c'mon I was only out 2 nights the rest of it was dominated by the Ukrainian lady friend, who liked when I pulled on her nursing nibbles...

I believe I can pull a long term "freebie"; something in between the lady friend, the part-timer and the RP model chick...

I shall be back, looks like Oct/Nov

It Travel
07-06-07, 15:37
DJ

Try and ignore most things that IT writes about. The rest of us have. For the most part he is harmless but alas he is also senseless.

If you do make the mistake of taking home MT (Mystery Tramp), make sure you also have a stash of antibiotics handy.

I enjoyed her when she first started about 5 years ago but since then, I suspect every hole has been used and abused to the point of uselessness.


Unfortunately I get a lot of PM asking for links and telephone...

I can agree on MT... but her BBBJ are still among the best 8and her little rear pink hole is still tight!).

She was not shaved then as I got her... By the way whe have to start a club on who nailed her... most of the Kiev forum, perhaps we can make a meeting in kiev and invite her as a Honour guest.

If everybody makes her one or two COF (before going searching other pussy) It might be that we get on the (censored) Guinnes book of Records for the biggest Bukkake ever! :D :D


IT

Do not be so serious... we are here for fun... fucking and joking... Nice time in Kiev.

It Travel
07-06-07, 15:44
Yes at my age which sucks I do need it, 10mg is enough however...

I haven't join the club yet, I did find a nice "dime" though and Telos can confirm. She wanted $300, then $250 it was 4:30am and no anal, I said "I'll think about it and we left about 20 mins later"

I know you weren't talking to me specifically and I have about 200+ post that don't involve anything overseas until I actually went this past 35 days I spent in Europe (I got home about 17 hours ago) and I have shared my experience in Kiev although short to show people they can do it with only the information from this broad and I didn't have to post any questions about should I go here or there or not. I went, formed my own opinion and shared to help others.

Plus you know this and the Rio forum get alot of traffic and I wanted to be apart of that - :D


This is a pity... and as I told several times I prefer to spend more money than beeinh hanging out to 4-4.30 am... I just want the in the bed by 7-8.00 pm like good school girls!

I use Cialis too, but for getting it harder and harder.

Are you living in Brasil? I'll be there in OCT... making a lot of nice cheap lesbian duplas (complethinas!!!).

IT

Cumming To Kiev
07-06-07, 16:38
Hello again,

Thanks for all the advice so far (and the abuse!)

Has anyone enjoyed any of these little ladies, and have anything good or bad to say about them? I'll be over the week after next and would love to have one of these lovelies bouncing on the end of my cock! And yes, I WILL be writing reports and posting photos (if they let me take any! ) Are these girls for real? Are they safe? All comments appreciated.

Zhanna - http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=764
Lada - http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=487
Olga - http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=636
Eva - http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=651
Sonja - http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=777
Nika - http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=417

Many thanks in advance! Let the abuse commence!

James T Kirk
07-08-07, 12:28
EVA

http://www.flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=118999447

On 25 April she asked me for 800$/a week together.

Now she asks me for 200$/hour and 500 or 1000$/night.

Is she crazy or a lot of ISG users gave a lot of money to Eva and so now she can ask TOO MUCH money?

Freexsky
07-09-07, 08:13
Hello again,

Thanks for all the advice so far (and the abuse!)

Has anyone enjoyed any of these little ladies, and have anything good or bad to say about them? I'll be over the week after next and would love to have one of these lovelies bouncing on the end of my cock! And yes, I WILL be writing reports and posting photos (if they let me take any! ) Are these girls for real? Are they safe? All comments appreciated.

Zhanna - http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=764
Lada - http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=487
Olga - http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=636
Eva - http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=651
Sonja - http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=777
Nika - http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=417
Many thanks in advance! Let the abuse commence!From this only Olga's photo real

http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=636

I can advise the variants checked up by me

Marina
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=437

Marina
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=135

Freexsky
07-09-07, 08:15
From this only Olga's photo real

http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=636

I can advise the variants checked up by me

Marina
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=437

Marina
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=135

Cruiser D
07-09-07, 22:02
Kirk, 1k night is insane. You can get a porn star in the US for that. $200-300/hr is what top flight girls in the US are charging. Either too many guys with exepense accounts (and Russians with cash) are going to Kiev or the girl is just trying to find out how desperate you are. To put it in perspective - a average decent job in Kiev is paying $300-500/month.

Checking out the pictures from topmodels and after recent trips it's nice to see Kiev girls are getting well accustomed to implants. I know some people don't like them but I just love a good boob job on a hot girl.

Cumming To Kiev
07-09-07, 22:05
Thanks for that. Does that mean the other ads are fakes? And what was Olga like? Was she any good? Would you recommend her? How much do you think she would charge for an overnight?

The Marinas look rather fuckable too!

Hecker
07-09-07, 23:26
Normal price in Kiev is 300$ for the whole night. Some girls ask for 200$. If you search you can find students with less. I paid 250$ for three girls whole night.

I could sponsor them with 150$ every day or even less.

If you want two girls for 5 days for example, 1. 000$ are possibly enough if you bargain. In RP I offered 300$ for three girls for 2 hours but they refused. They accepted 300$ for 2 girls for 2 hours which I found overpriced. Girls in RP look like normal girls you can have in Kiev with little effort. I would not pay more than 100$ for the whole night with any of them.

Girls may do a lot of extras by bargain. You should negotiate telling her are you serious? Girls in RP cost 200$ the whole night and you ask for 1. 000$? She will lower her price immediately cause she may think girls in RP look better than her.

The challenge is to get freebies in Kiev. If it were not so expensive, it would be the best city. I will get there again, first to province, and maybe a visit to Belarus to compare the situation there. Ukrainian girls are anxious about polish girls giving it for free, what a competition.

Irish Lad
07-09-07, 23:38
Posted in wrong section!

Anyway, Eva is worth at most $100 a night.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=618494&postcount=423

IL

Borat69
07-10-07, 00:27
hey guys

i'm gonna be in kiev between july 20-30. still haven't booked flights/apartments but would like to see who is around to hang out and maybe go hit up some places together. drop me a PM!

Explorer69
07-10-07, 14:07
After all the writings about this legendary lady, I wanted to meet her! I had gotten her number from a distinguised member of this site. Last week when I was a brief visit in Kiev I tried to contact her, but there was no answer to my calls and SMS. Is she still active?

DJ FourMoney
07-10-07, 15:53
Normal price in Kiev is 300$ for the whole night. Some girls ask for 200$. If you search you can find students with less. I paid 250$ for three girls whole night.

I could sponsor them with 150$ every day or even less.

If you want two girls for 5 days for example, 1. 000$ are possibly enough if you bargain. In RP I offered 300$ for three girls for 2 hours but they refused. They accepted 300$ for 2 girls for 2 hours which I found overpriced. Girls in RP look like normal girls you can have in Kiev with little effort. I would not pay more than 100$ for the whole night with any of them.

Girls may do a lot of extras by bargain. You should negotiate telling her are you serious? Girls in RP cost 200$ the whole night and you ask for 1. 000$? She will lower her price immediately cause she may think girls in RP look better than her.

The challenge is to get freebies in Kiev. If it were not so expensive, it would be the best city. I will get there again, first to province, and maybe a visit to Belarus to compare the situation there. Ukrainian girls are anxious about polish girls giving it for free, what a competition.

Freebies are tough you need to be in town for a time or make contact ahead of time, which I did and nailed a freebie though she was somewhat lower class than the "Professional Club Goer" and the hot (and she is not what I would call the average girl seen walking around Kiev, she was much better looking than your typical chicks I saw floating around the city center during the day) RP girl I chose not to go with.

Arena which I didn't go too and 112 look to be prime "part-timer" spots, along with Caribbean and Shooters.

There a few places in town where tourist don't go and I know about a few of them I just didn't go.

Polish girls are giving up for free????

And I went to Kiev instead??? What as I thinking!

Polish girls are just as hot...

DJ FourMoney
07-10-07, 15:58
hey guys

i'm gonna be in kiev between july 20-30. still haven't booked flights/apartments but would like to see who is around to hang out and maybe go hit up some places together. drop me a PM!

Man I hope you got serious cheddar because buying tickets during the mid summer travel season is really going to cost you a bunch.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if this venture costed you several thousands of dollars. For an amount like that I would seriously consider staying home or using FKK services in Germany where you can find Ukrainian, Russian, Romainan and Polish girls already working in these places for 50 Euro for 30 mins.

My ticket was $286US roundtrip from FRA and I bought it last minute, if your flying over from the US, it will be at least 6 times more. My local connention also got me a flat for $120 for 4 days near hers on the otherside of town, 20-25 mins away from downtown by metro.

If you can get the hook up like that, then go, but if your spending $2,000+ just to P4P EE punai, reconsider or wait until Oct when the prices go back down and the weather is still decent.

Doctor_Skank
07-10-07, 21:34
Man I hope you got serious cheddar because buying tickets during the mid summer travel season is really going to cost you a bunch.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if this venture costed you several thousands of dollars. For an amount like that I would seriously consider staying home or using FKK services in Germany where you can find Ukrainian, Russian, Romainan and Polish girls already working in these places for 50 Euro for 30 mins.

My ticket was $286US roundtrip from FRA and I bought it last minute, if your flying over from the US, it will be at least 6 times more. My local connention also got me a flat for $120 for 4 days near hers on the otherside of town, 20-25 mins away from downtown by metro.

If you can get the hook up like that, then go, but if your spending $2,000+ just to P4P EE punai, reconsider or wait until Oct when the prices go back down and the weather is still decent.

Prices won't be much different in the fall.

Coming from UK, about $500 round trip to Kiev, about $80 a day for a centrally located semi-posh apartment (ask and get long-term discount!) and about $100/day running costs assuming eating out twice a day at an average place and a few drinks at night. Any P4P or serious carousing will of course be on top of that. You could go less on apartments and food, but you will have to spend some money if you are going to be dating and I always feel being centrally located is a plus when dating freebies. Of course you could also spend a lot more on drinks and entertainment as well, but I seem to average about $100/day.

Flight = $500
apartments 10 x 80 = $800
running costs 10 x 100 = $1000
=
$2300... approx.

Say you bang 6 pros...
3 x $120/2 hours for something from the internet = $360
3 x $200/3-4 hours for some RP action = $600

$960

Total $3260.

That's really not bad for a 10 day sex holiday. Nothing "comes" for free, and mongering IS and expensive hobby any way you cut it.

In the fall/winter prices aren't much different. There is less tourist traffic, but much more business traffic.

DJ FourMoney
07-10-07, 22:14
Prices won't be much different in the fall.

Coming from UK, about $500 round trip to Kiev, about $100 a day for an apartment and about $100/day running costs. Any P4P or serious carousing will of course be on top of that.

Flight = $500
apartments 10 x 100 = $1000
running costs 10 x 100 = $1000
=
$2500... approx.

That's really not bad for a 10 day holiday. Nothing "comes" for free.

Nope it sure doesn't....

The hap-hazard approach I took to the 2nd half of my trip more than likely cost me an extra $1700. If I it was planned out better, I could have saved that. Staying 14 extra days didn't cost that much more, but the date change fees, missing trains, missing buses, over paying providers (not horribly), etc, etc does add up.

Hindsight being perfect, I should have went to Kiev first since that's the only freebie I got and I would have spent 2-3 weeks there and doing who knows what else in that time period. I believe I would have found a better looking, much younger and child-less freebie inside of 3 weeks.

Oh well...

Hedonist
07-10-07, 22:25
I used to pay for play, but since I live here I don't need that anymore. As a matter of fact since I came to Kiev I never felt like paying. Therefore, I don't have much to contribute about the P4P market.

As for clubbing, top clubs are Decadence, Kaif, Patipa, Arena, Tsar's Project (strict face control). Forsage and Sound Planet are crowded by students, but quality is low. Everybody should go to Decadence for at least one time. The eye candy there is absolutely amazing. I have been approached by some working girls there, but most girls are already sponsored and don't need any money. Tsar is sort of an upscale club with strict face control. The music is very good, but the pickings are slim. I take girls I pick-up at Kaif or Patipa to Tsar to impress them. I had most of my successes at Kaif. The layout of Kaif is optimal to approach girls and girls are very approachable there.

What bugs is that I could pick-up any 9s or 10s. You don't get to see a regular girls who is 9 or 10 in ordinary clubs. There is a club (forgot the its, High Life or something like that) which is sort of a closed club that doesn't advertise. I am sure there is a very strict face control there too. The crowd there consists of elitniy people: movie stars, writers, TV people, etc. Again pickings there were also slim. It will take some time and knowledge of Russsian to network and penetrate into this elitniy circle...

The beauty of Ukraine is that one doesn't need to worry about political correctness or sexual harrasment. I already fucked two of my coworkers and I actually had hired one of them. I fucked my personal trainer at the gym, I fucked two students I met in a university career day...

That's all! If you are in town and need a wingman feel free to PM me.

Freexsky
07-10-07, 23:43
The Marinas look rather fuckable too!At various days visited these girls of a photo real.
Girls but speak in English :(

Tonja
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=219

Olechka & Zhenechka
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=854

Nastja
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=100

Anuta & Polina
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=682

Vika
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=300

Katja
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=429

Cruiser D
07-11-07, 01:55
DJ, you know there is a bigger part of Kiev on the left bank of the Dniper that most tourist never go to.




There a few places in town where tourist don't go and I know about a few of them I just didn't go.

..


Hedo, sometimes it's a lot easier to bang a pro 8 for $60/hr. No fuss, no muss, no games.

I remember you posting a while ago with the typical noob questions. Nice to see you popping your head up. What's the going rate for a female personal trainer in Kiev?

Arena is getting a little old - are the same people still making the circuit after the remodel? Kaif is nice because you can always drag some one to the bar if you want to talk. PaTiPi is a little too kinder club for me. Haven't been to Tsar yet - it had just opened the last time I was in Kiev and if I have to wait more then 5 seconds to get into a place it loses it's appeal for me. Decadance is ok. If you are looking for 'ordinary' girls who are 9's you won't be finding them in private clubs. Those girls aren't working the private club circuit looking for 'ordinary' guys.

I know most of you guys missed out on the club scene in your teens and 20's in you native country. And now you are like kids in a candy store when you hit Kiev but trust me it's going to get repetitive in a hurry. Once you spend enough time to break the clique you are going to be like, why did I waste my time. Hot girls in Kiev are all over the place and approachable anywhere. Do you really want a hardened clubber? I find a favorite tactic is networking with hot girls you already know - of course to do this you can't have feed the girl any BS. You'd be surprised how well, 'hey, you know any hot girls interested in dating me' works in Kiev, well at least for me. If she's into you you can add, 'you can join us too' with a wink and a smile.

DJ FourMoney
07-11-07, 21:06
DJ, you know there is a bigger part of Kiev on the left bank of the Dniper that most tourist never go to.

That is exactly what my Ukrainian lady friend told me to go, but I didn't and met with Telos. She told me it is 95% locals and no tourist, they don't talk about it in any guides.

Maybe I should have checked it out???



Hedo, sometimes it's a lot easier to bang a pro 8 for $60/hr. No fuss, no muss, no games.

I remember you posting a while ago with the typical noob questions. Nice to see you popping your head up. What's the going rate for a female personal trainer in Kiev?

Arena is getting a little old - are the same people still making the circuit after the remodel? Kaif is nice because you can always drag some one to the bar if you want to talk. PaTiPi is a little too kinder club for me. Haven't been to Tsar yet - it had just opened the last time I was in Kiev and if I have to wait more then 5 seconds to get into a place it loses it's appeal for me. Decadance is ok. If you are looking for 'ordinary' girls who are 9's you won't be finding them in private clubs. Those girls aren't working the private club circuit looking for 'ordinary' guys.

I know most of you guys missed out on the club scene in your teens and 20's in you native country. And now you are like kids in a candy store when you hit Kiev but trust me it's going to get repetitive in a hurry. Once you spend enough time to break the clique you are going to be like, why did I waste my time. Hot girls in Kiev are all over the place and approachable anywhere. Do you really want a hardened clubber? I find a favorite tactic is networking with hot girls you already know - of course to do this you can't have feed the girl any BS. You'd be surprised how well, 'hey, you know any hot girls interested in dating me' works in Kiev, well at least for me. If she's into you you can add, 'you can join us too' with a wink and a smile.

I didn't miss the club scene as my screen name gives away, I have done the club scene in Los Angeles and while I can do without the nonsense on the dance floor when it comes to local women here, I do like to play for the crowd and the DJ's in Kiev that I have seen so far are HORRIBLE...Especially RP.

I know with some time, regular girls would come out of the wood work.

I am giving heavy consideration to spending my next trip slated for this fall all in EE, including visits to Poland and even Kazakhstan if you can believe that...

As I said before in terms of LTR, I believe the answer is between London, Hong Kong, Reykjavik and Naples....

Doctor_Skank
07-11-07, 22:04
I didn't miss the club scene as my screen name gives away, I have done the club scene in Los Angeles and while I can do without the nonsense on the dance floor when it comes to local women here, I do like to play for the crowd and the DJ's in Kiev that I have seen so far are HORRIBLE...Especially RP.
.

Hey Mr.DJ... if you ever want to give up your day job, a BLACK DJ will always get a job in EE and if your good you'll go from playing $50/night dives to making OK cash and connecting well.

Local DJs at TOP clubs in EE can be VERY good... not to mention the fact that they import top Euro talent as well, sometimes even from NY or as far away as Tokyo. That's the house scene. But yeah, for the most part the DJs suck. I was at a HIPHOP party and requested something/ANYTHING from Pharrel, NERD, something produced by Pharrel.. really anything. Pharrel is mainstream and he's been everywhere for 3 years now... and they still never heard of him. The club owners just hired two Nigerian assholes to be DJ because they were black. You'd roast them with your inside knowledge.

Cruiser D
07-12-07, 00:34
Dr S, you don't think Eric Ainger is the BEST DJ? :P 112 follows the same formula as 111 - turn the volume to 11. I miss 111, it was a mainstay of the expat scene until Mandarin Plaza was finished. I liked the SMG toting body armor clad cops as security and the rotating bar. I spent many a night going to Caribbean and then walked to 111 - ah my days of Kiev innocence. We caught a brief whiff of what Kiev used to be liked before the Orange Revolution, Eurovision and stratospheric real estate prices. It will swing the other way. Russia and Ukraine are just a house of cards - smoke and mirrors.

DJ, Gidro (Hydro) Park, which is on the left bank (literarly) is becoming more known to non locals. There is also an enterainment complex called Joss which shows up in tourist guides.

DJ FourMoney
07-12-07, 03:17
Hey Mr.DJ... if you ever want to give up your day job, a BLACK DJ will always get a job in EE and if your good you'll go from playing $50/night dives to making OK cash and connecting well.

Local DJs at TOP clubs in EE can be VERY good... not to mention the fact that they import top Euro talent as well, sometimes even from NY or as far away as Tokyo. That's the house scene. But yeah, for the most part the DJs suck. I was at a HIPHOP party and requested something/ANYTHING from Pharrel, NERD, something produced by Pharrel.. really anything. Pharrel is mainstream and he's been everywhere for 3 years now... and they still never heard of him. The club owners just hired two Nigerian assholes to be DJ because they were black. You'd roast them with your inside knowledge.

Hmmmmmmmmmm

You know, I would love to do that and I do mean LOVE to do that. If I could get a spot in town that would pay for a better than average flat with internet I would be ready to rock.

I love Pharrell and I got a ton produced by The Neptunes and I can play house with the best of them.

I'll have to look DEEP into that... The girl at RP wee sitting around the DJ booth and he was wack, I wonder what would happen if the DJ was actually GOOD...

DJ FourMoney
07-12-07, 03:19
Dr S, you don't think Eric Ainger is the BEST DJ? :P 112 follows the same formula as 111 - turn the volume to 11. I miss 111, it was a mainstay of the expat scene until Mandarin Plaza was finished. I liked the SMG toting body armor clad cops as security and the rotating bar. I spent many a night going to Caribbean and then walked to 111 - ah my days of Kiev innocence. We caught a brief whiff of what Kiev used to be liked before the Orange Revolution, Eurovision and stratospheric real estate prices. It will swing the other way. Russia and Ukraine are just a house of cards - smoke and mirrors.

DJ, Gidro (Hydro) Park, which is on the left bank (literarly) is becoming more known to non locals. There is also an enterainment complex called Joss which shows up in tourist guides.

Yeah Hydro Park is the spot she mentioned....(or course in a broken English heavy Russian accent it sounded like something else)

112 wasn't that great and you know, its not fair I really need to be at these places when its on a weekend night and not the middle of the week.

DJ at Shooters was half way decent and played some up to date stuff, but mixing skills weren't were they needed to be.

I have a DJ page if you doubt my skillz I can send you a link...

Brandon88
07-13-07, 17:30
Kirk, 1k night is insane. You can get a porn star in the US for that. $200-300/hr is what top flight girls in the US are charging. Either too many guys with exepense accounts (and Russians with cash) are going to Kiev or the girl is just trying to find out how desperate you are. To put it in perspective - a average decent job in Kiev is paying $300-500/month.

Checking out the pictures from topmodels and after recent trips it's nice to see Kiev girls are getting well accustomed to implants. I know some people don't like them but I just love a good boob job on a hot girl.

Cruiser, I had the misfortune of going to Arkansas recently. Not only are the options few and far between, but the real working girls you can find want $200 per hour. And on top of that, they appear to be 40 years old and weigh in at close to 180 pounds. It was like the universe had turned upside down. Sure made me wish I was back at 'you know where'.

Telos
07-13-07, 21:14
Yeah Hydro Park is the spot she mentionedA hidden jem. ;)

Hot village girls for basically nothing. I guess this place will soon be not so good. dangerous though if you don't speak russian or are with Ukrainians.

Gentleman Travel
07-13-07, 21:27
I used to pay for play, but since I live here I don't need that anymore. As a matter of fact since I came to Kiev I never felt like paying. Therefore, I don't have much to contribute about the P4P market.

...
The beauty of Ukraine is that one doesn't need to worry about political correctness or sexual harrasment. I already fucked two of my coworkers and I actually had hired one of them. I fucked my personal trainer at the gym, I fucked two students I met in a university career day...

That's all! If you are in town and need a wingman feel free to PM me.
Sounds like a heavenly lifestyle?
When you were hiring, was fuckability one of your criteria?
Did you get signals from any of the candidates this sort of thing was a fringe benefit of hiring them?
How bold can you be about putting the moves on a local employee?

Condomino69
07-15-07, 17:48
As I have been living here in Kiev for a while already.

Who of you guys is interested in hunting some girls and bringing them to my flat?

Abufantasio
07-15-07, 23:03
I am coming to Kiev from 2nd till 6th August, with 3 friends of mine. A first visit. We are planning to try out both the P4P and discos. I could not find in the forum any indication on how to find a good accomodation in Kiev. Could anyone with knowledge on the subject help ?
Being four of us, I would rather take a flat than four rooms in an hotel, because this would sounds too "touristic" (not very good) for P4P type of relations. I have checked a few offers on the web, most of the time quite expensive (over 150 USD/night for a 3 bed room flat in the center), but we could be ready to pay the price if this is worth doing so.

I will post another message on the "travel announcement" section for those who are interested in meeting up and have fun.

Cruiser D
07-16-07, 00:15
Actually apartments and real estate prices have been covered ad nauseam in this forum. Apartment prices in Kiev center are extremely high compared to most major western cities because of real estate speculation and price gouging. For a three bedroom 'western' apartment you will be paying $100+. For first timers to Kiev $150 is an average number as long as the accommodations are suitable.

GT, I don't think you will be attending any work place sexual haressment seminars in Kiev anytime soon. Do you still keep in touch with Valeria?

Brandon, middle America and the south can be a very scarey place. When stuck there I strongly suggest re watching video's you shot in Kiev. Any plans on coming back to Boston?

Uke Boy
07-16-07, 03:35
Abu,

if you and your three friends have a problem with what is a very reasonably priced (for Kiev) three bedroom apartment in the center for $150/night, then I suggest you not even come to visit here at all.

Pros will cost you $100 per hour on average, so-called freebies may be more, may be less but there will definitely be a price.

Meals in regular restaurants on your own will not be cheap unless you go to a local place and can speak reasonable Russian.

If you and your friends are really concerned about cash flow, I suggest you re-think Kiev and stay somewhere less expensive, like Paris.

Gentleman Travel
07-16-07, 16:25
GT, I don't think you will be attending any work place sexual haressment seminars in Kiev anytime soon.

You mean they give seminars on how to do this!!
What a great country!!!



Do you still keep in touch with Valeria?

Not since you revealed to me that she was not a virgin when I had her!

I keep in very sporadic touch, because I have no immediate opportunity to get back to Kyiv, and I think she has found greener pastures anyway. But I will touch base with her the next time I am going, not so much for the pleasure of her young body personally, but because I think she would be game to help me hunt for more authentic experiences (i.e. help overcome the language barrier to hunt in pastures otherwise unavailable to me).

It Travel
07-16-07, 21:06
If you want some real sex I think you can go here…

http://www.flirt.com.ua/honeyandlonely/

But be aware to say that you live in Kiev, a person like me is, for her, a sex tourist! Sorry darling but when abroad (more than 200 days a year) what shall I do, just use my right hand??? :(

An absolutely do not say anything on her not bad girlfriend… in the pics… I was just slammed out of the chat… so if anybody manage to drill her… let us poor mongers see a good pic!!!

IT

PS I had a day of chatting, with some girls, very bad ending (but others were good, and they were 18-19, not 21!) :D

Cruiser D
07-17-07, 00:51
IT, you should never comment on a girl's friend - positive or otherwise. ;)

How do you use Flirt? Do you read Russian or do you use a translation program?

GT, she wasn't a virgin when I tapped her two winters ago. She was just getting out of a LTR with a Swede. I didn't realize she was an out of control kinky **** tho - she played the good girl with me.

Irish Lad
07-17-07, 02:57
If you want some real sex I think you can go here…

:DYou do realise she says "Sex tourists fuck off", and looking for "friendship and dialogue, correspondence"?

I wouldn't be putting her on my "to do" list but if you want to have a go, register as "living in Kiev" but always be "abroad on business" as if Kiev is your base. Worked well for me before I actually moved here.

IL

It Travel
07-17-07, 20:34
You do realise she says "Sex tourists fuck off", and looking for "friendship and dialogue, correspondence"?

I wouldn't be putting her on my "to do" list but if you want to have a go, register as "living in Kiev" but always be "abroad on business" as if Kiev is your base. Worked well for me before I actually moved here.

IL


Perhaps I'm to honest when cahtting on ground I want normal girls like ...U... you know her! :D

Not lying on anything...

OK I'll select them

IT

It Travel
07-17-07, 20:37
IT, you should never comment on a girl's friend - positive or otherwise. ;)

How do you use Flirt? Do you read Russian or do you use a translation program?

GT, she wasn't a virgin when I tapped her two winters ago. She was just getting out of a LTR with a Swede. I didn't realize she was an out of control kinky **** tho - she played the good girl with me.


Sorry but I made comments on girlfriend... not on us!!! You are a girl ??? ;) ;)

I read Russian and can use it fast...

Mind it's since 1980 I'm travelling in there! And i still mind the first and only time I got lost in the metro in Moscow!!! Then I learned Cyrillic... ;)

IT

PassinThrough
07-18-07, 00:40
So after reading a lot of posts I decided to follow some good advice and created a profile on Flirt.com.ua. I included a lot of information mation including the fact that I am looking to move to the Ukraine next year, which is still p in the air but could happen. In 24 hours I had 65 women look at the profile and 3 of them wrote me, unfortunately they are older that I am looking for and not so attractive but it is progress. I like the fact that girls can say they want a sponsor (working girls) and list their prices. This makes finding them easier. Still working the freebie angle and we will see what I get. My russian is really basic so I used babelfish to help with the translations.

PIT

Hedonist
07-19-07, 00:17
Actually I gave her a fair interview and did not get get any sort of signal. She deserved her job. The attraction between has built up over time. One evening I just asked if her if she would be interested in joining me for dinner. She said yes and I took it from there. People here have a very causal approach to office romance. It is considered normal here. I would not abuse my power, but if the attraction is there and if you feel that she is reasonable and can keep her mouth shut, then why not give it a chance. In my case, I spent a lustful weekend and then I stepped back saying that dating a coworker is wrong and she was fine with it... Interestingly, in Ukraine typically more female candidates apply to office jobs... I am having a hard time finding men to hire...


Sounds like a heavenly lifestyle?
When you were hiring, was fuckability one of your criteria?
Did you get signals from any of the candidates this sort of thing was a fringe benefit of hiring them?
How bold can you be about putting the moves on a local employee?

Hedonist
07-19-07, 00:23
In my humble opinion flirt.com.ua and other similar websites are a time waste. You will spend endless hours in front of the computer with very little result. The girls on these site does not represent the female population available to you in Kiev. I see everyday much more beautiful girls in the streets and here it is OK to approach girls in the street. They expect it and get flattered when you do it even if they are not interested in you.

Irish Lad
07-19-07, 05:18
Hello everyone,


In my humble opinion flirt.com.ua and other similar website is a time waste. You will spend endless hours in front of the computer with very little result. The girls on these site does not represent the female population available to you in Kiev. I see everyday much more beautiful girls in the streets and here it is OK to approach girls in the street. They expect it and get flattered when you do it even if they are not interested in you.Whereas, I agree with you that girls in the street are as beautiful if not more so than those in the sites, I can’t agree with the waste of time element if the sites are used in an effective manner depending on your aims.

If you represent yourself on these sites as a serious man looking for a serious girl for marriage then that’s the type of girl you will find. However if you say you’re a fun loving man looking for an attractive sex bomb for pleasant times together then that’s what you’ll find……………more often than not it’ll be the same girl! It’s mostly bullshit from both sides anyway, so just play the game.

I’ve spent over 1 year using the site and my experiences have been very good although I only view it as an added method for meeting girls. I guess almost 50 results from the site is a good return on my investment. However I have refined my search criteria to bisexual girls between 20 and 25 years old from other cities who love anal sex and the success rate is still as high as before. I no longer search in Kiev but respond to girls from here that write to me with “I’m looking for a clever, attractive, interesting girl who is wild in sex for regular meetings but nothing serious” and 75% of them jump back with ‘That’s me!!!!”. Not much time wasted there! I have given up guessing what these girls are after as it has ranged from “money for my sick mother” (see previous reports) to “my boyfriend cheated on me, now we’re quits”. Who cares?

Many girls from outside Kiev who write to me are just looking for somewhere to stay when they get here, who cares?

It’s 6.30 am and I’m on my way to the station to meet Katya, 21 year old bisexual who loves anal sex. It’s my birthday!

IL

Bez Bezarra
07-19-07, 06:24
And a fine top o' the morning to ya Laddy, you four leaf clover plucking anal fucking bastard you! :p

Why don't you just ask Katya to wax your shalayley?

It Travel
07-19-07, 10:36
Hello everyone,

Whereas, I agree with you that girls in the street are as beautiful if not more so than those in the sites, I can’t agree with the waste of time element if the sites are used in an effective manner depending on your aims.

If you represent yourself on these sites as a serious man looking for a serious girl for marriage then that’s the type of girl you will find. However if you say you’re a fun loving man looking for an attractive sex bomb for pleasant times together then that’s what you’ll find……………more often than not it’ll be the same girl! It’s mostly bullshit from both sides anyway, so just play the game.

I’ve spent over 1 year using the site and my experiences have been very good although I only view it as an added method for meeting girls. I guess almost 50 results from the site is a good return on my investment. However I have refined my search criteria to bisexual girls between 20 and 25 years old from other cities who love anal sex and the success rate is still as high as before. I no longer search in Kiev but respond to girls from here that write to me with “I’m looking for a clever, attractive, interesting girl who is wild in sex for regular meetings but nothing serious” and 75% of them jump back with ‘That’s me!!!!”. Not much time wasted there! I have given up guessing what these girls are after as it has ranged from “money for my sick mother” (see previous reports) to “my boyfriend cheated on me, now we’re quits”. Who cares?

Many girls from outside Kiev who write to me are just looking for somewhere to stay when they get here, who cares?

It’s 6.30 am and I’m on my way to the station to meet Katya, 21 year old bisexual who loves anal sex. It’s my birthday!

IL


Hi IL!

On ground that you "use them" mostly once... you can hand over some to a poor guy in need of tight holes :D :D

IT

It Travel
07-21-07, 17:20
After all the writings about this legendary lady, I wanted to meet her! I had gotten her number from a distinguised member of this site. Last week when I was a brief visit in Kiev I tried to contact her, but there was no answer to my calls and SMS. Is she still active?


I can guarntee she is active... whe have some sms exchanges and she usually is at RP at least two/three days a week, usally late... you know she works in shifts.
The afternoon
The evening
The night

On of the reason I think it's just stupid to hang out in a club or a bar, spenging lot of money, just for getting back at 5.00 am with a girl for a budget of 150 USD... Take her at 7 pm instead for 350... funnier (100 comes from drinks!)

IT

Hit7890
07-25-07, 18:56
Recently have found on the net a tour guide website for foreigners about Kiev. It is about Kiev hotels and bringing escort girls into, about where to find a decent apartment in Kiev, some taxi tel numbers.. If was useful for me, maybe you guys will also find something for you. There are also some pretty escort girls to try, which I will do when I'm in Kiev next time. http://www.kiev-tour.com/

Uke Boy
07-26-07, 08:35
Or-Miss1234,

If you had had a few earlier reports on this site, we might have been able to believe your statements about this web site you are now pimping for.

However, your sudden appearance in praise of this less than adequate sex service with retread and over-priced ex-Gia ladies is just another example of lousy Ukrainian business practices.

Go back home and start again. Once you can supply great looking (and fresh) ladies at prices UNDER $100 per hour, then you have something to talk about.

Until then, you are nothing but an overpriced and useless pimp. Just like our friends at Gia.

Cruiser D
07-26-07, 14:42
There already is a great internet site for real information on Kiev - this one.

Do you think if we keep slamming this GIA pimps everytime they show up they will give up?

Uke Boy
07-26-07, 20:56
Crusier,

Unfortunately these Gia pimps and clones or clowns, whatever, will keep on trying. This seems to be the only way they can trap the gullible into using useless sites with way overpriced and worn out women.

You are right in your assessment, just RTFF!

Brandon88
07-26-07, 22:01
I don't know, a couple of them look pretty good to me. lol.

So even those photos are bogus?

So top models is still the only viable site at the moment?

Cruiser, I may back in beantown soon. Let me know your schedule.

Jack Private
07-26-07, 23:02
Recently have found on the net a tour guide website for foreigners about Kiev. It is about Kiev hotels and bringing escort girls into, about where to find a decent apartment in Kiev, some taxi tel numbers.. If was useful for me, maybe you guys will also find something for you. There are also some pretty escort girls to try, which I will do when I'm in Kiev next time. http://www.kiev-tour.com/Are you that stupid!

This is just another site of the crazy and expensive Gia Agency!

hans37
07-27-07, 17:15
I don't know, a couple of them look pretty good to me. lol.

So even those photos are bogus?

So top models is still the only viable site at the moment?

Cruiser, I may back in beantown soon. Let me know your schedule.I have used Vodka escorts recently and the experience was very ok

Hecker
07-27-07, 19:11
I spent few hours in Kiev dating two girls,one 183 cm and one 182 cm tall.The first one brought her sister with her,so I had to pay for a dinner for two persons before she told me that her sister was married.The second was very ugly but had a good character.I paid 270 grivnia for the dinner with the two girls and 80 grivnia in the cafe with the next girl.I could not stay in Kiev more time,since my gf in west Ukraine sent me SMS continuously trying to control my moves.Girls in Kiev seem very relaxed,the atmosphere in center is convenient and you get what you pay for.Let us say freebies are like products in a supermarket,prices are fixed,the more you pay for dinners etc,the more and better looking girls you get.There is some kind of price escalation and balance between demand and offer.

In province on the other hand all commodities are absent,you need to fight and there is nothing fixed.You can get the worse or the best for the same price.So province is better for experienced mongers who speak the language and do not want to spend too much.Kiev is better if you want convenience not minding to spend money to achieve it.

In the central cafe I was in Kiev I noticed many foreigners with ukrainian girls.Most foreigners were middle aged and girls were of average quality.However the freigners seemed to enjoy.Some of them were not able to carry on a normal conversation and told ridiculous things to the girls.However the girls did not seem to mind since the foreigner paid.Personally I was struck by the mediocrity in girls' appearance among the ones accompanying foreigners.(In province I met an average looking Lebanese guy who could not speak russian with a gorgeous ukrainian gf.Of course the Lebanese talked common BS like he came for business etc).

In general I liked Kiev center a lot and just to stay there and talk with girls on dates is very pleasant.On the other hand I did not like the capitalist invasion,that this part is overpriced and girls know their value.Kiev girls are very open and talkative and more interesting than girls in province.They have expensive,new mobiles and are attracted by success.Now the term sex tourist has appeared in ukrainian language,so some careful attitude is needed.Average salary in Kiev is 400$ a month and is growing.To rent an appartment you need 60$ everyday at minimum.I would prefer Kiev if I had 1000$ to spend for one weekend or 3000$ to spend for one week.Then you can have 3-4 dates everyday in the special atmosphere of center.Construction works are apparent everywhere while in province buildings are rotten and not renovated.Kiev is another country inside Ukraine.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Cruiser D
07-27-07, 21:55
Vodka is ok - the agency and the drink. ;) But like most things in Kiev they are over priced. They used to have another name but I can't remember it.

Alphamale
08-03-07, 17:08
Vodka is ok - the agency and the drink. ;) But like most things in Kiev they are over priced. They used to have another name but I can't remember it.


It used to be called Odessa escort.
They are still based out of there somewhat as far as I am aware

Chill Bill
08-03-07, 22:58
Hey IT,

A question about flirt.com. Is there a way to search for girls who like "Maximum sex"? Can you do it in the expanded search? Or, do you have to look inside each profile for it.

Thanks

AColonizer
08-04-07, 21:21
There is a pay search tool for that. I tried to use it but I don't understand how I can pay by Webmoney.


Hey IT,

A question about flirt.com. Is there a way to search for girls who like "Maximum sex"? Can you do it in the expanded search? Or, do you have to look inside each profile for it.

Thanks

Banker24
08-06-07, 04:22
It's been 6 months. I am in Kiev/Kyiv for 2 weeks, starting today. Some of you know me and remember the reports and others don't and that doesn't matter. I love night clubs and visit the occasional strip club if I'm tired. I will be going out every night here and have a new solid list of clubs to sack (generated by Ukrainians here and back home for me). My "budget" is pretty ridiculous.

Give me your opinions and what would you dos.

Note: I am meeting with girls I met later, they are all out of the city until Wednesday, so I have 3 nights to game solo - which I will enjoy.

Note: I am 90% going to the Crimea/Yalta next Monday for the week, unless something ridiculous happens like meeting gorgeous triplets.

Cruiser D
08-06-07, 09:49
Poser - we know you aren't in Kiev. :)

How is the new Arena?

Tsar project was supposted to be the hottest place in town since we were there last. I'd try there, Arena, Decadance, PaTiPa, Orangenia. Had a good time at Kaif too. Wish I was there to help you out young B.

It Travel
08-06-07, 17:20
There is a pay search tool for that. I tried to use it but I don't understand how I can pay by Webmoney.

You can do it... use a on line translator, but you have to pay. Usually the payment are made by a SMS from a UA mobile, which is going to be debt for the SMS 1-2 USD or whatever you want.

IT

Irish Lad
08-06-07, 23:47
Hey IT,

A question about flirt.com. Is there a way to search for girls who like "Maximum sex"? Can you do it in the expanded search? Or, do you have to look inside each profile for it.

ThanksHello all,

To activate the advanced search function, send an SMS 93+(followed by your profile number) to the number 1045 but better to activate VIP on your profile which includes free advanced search function.

"Maximisation of sex" is not a specific filter but one night stands and sponsorship is........or just write to girls and put "one night stands" and willing to sponsor on your profile.....don't worry then, they'll find you!!!

Секс на один-два раза-one night stands
Хочет найти спонсора-searching for sponsor

OR, just write to any girls you like!!!! What's the issue over sex???? You're a man.........of course you expect sex.....

Here's a recent conversation I had with a girl who had "marriage only" on her profile:-

Me.
Hello,
Thank you for your kind words but I don't look for serious relations here.

Her.
Who tell about serious relationships?! I told you about MEETING !!!
We can just meet and have wonderful time together and give joy for each other:))
I hope you are adult man and understand what I want :))

Me.
Hi..............ok.
Anything you like or anything you are against?
I like to give oral, sex toys and sometimes anal sex.....all ok?

Her.
yes:-))

However, here's this evenings latest bullshit:-

Ольга вчера в 21:40
Maybe I can take my friend Tania and you take your friend and we'll go together to eat sushi? :)


So...no prizes for guessing what I'll be doing tomorrow!

Shafted
08-07-07, 11:09
Whats the weather like in Kiev in the autumn?

Say between Sept. and Oct.?

Cruiser D
08-08-07, 21:41
Winter starts Dec 22nd.

You have access to the internet and you can't find out what the weather in Kiev is like during the early fall?

Seven posts and all questions...

Hecker
08-09-07, 10:56
Weather till midlle of Oktober is relatively good.Afterwards it is so cold and raining that every street pick up action becomes difficult to impossible.If you stay more than two hours outside you want to get back to the hotel to rewarm or lie on the street till getting completely frozen.The temperature is so low that physical movement becomes a problem.I felt pity for Napoleon troops who advanced in the land during November.Their option for hotel was diminished,so they simply lay and freezed on the streets.

Of course inside most hotels and apartments have good heating system,maybe driven by gas.

Qjump
08-10-07, 09:47
Whats the weather like in Kiev in the autumn?

Say between Sept. and Oct.?Think cold then time by two!

Bez Bezarra
08-10-07, 12:12
Are you really mongers or little sissy poofters who run to mommy at the first falling snows?

Why can't you go in February? Now that's good strong weather for real authentic russians, 30 to 60 below celsius.

Not this Octyabr/Nayabr bullshite with temps hovering around zero. To wake up on a crisp morning and see everything around all covered in white for the first time, is a beautiful sight to behold. Inspiring you to run down and crack your coccyx bone slipping on the slick icy rain that's frozen over Kreschatik during the quiet peaceful night, is something everyone needs to experience in Ukraine at least once.

Hecker
08-10-07, 14:41
If you have the comfort of staying at home in the heat and make calls to girls who come frozen, then it is really romantic. But for street pick-up fighters to try to pull under these temperatures is laughable. Even if you can stand the cold, the chicks most probably cannot.

And when it rains no girl will stand under the rain to hold an interesting conversation with you.

Iron Piss
08-12-07, 06:35
I'll stay in Ukraine for a month from 15th, Aug.

So I want to visit River Palace(or Arena), I wonder about Dresscode in there.

Can I wear bluejeans in there? and T-shirts?

What kind of shoes they want?

Should I have a necktie?

Can I visit there alone?

Which hotel is nearest?

Plz help me!

Thank you!

Iron Piss
08-12-07, 06:58
I'll stay for a month in Ukraine.

I want to know about dresscode in River Palace or Arena.

Can I wear bluejeans and t-shirts, sneakers in there?

Can Asian get in there?

Ash1001
08-13-07, 00:12
(http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)]I'll stay for a month in Ukraine.

I want to know about dresscode in River Palace or Arena.

Can I wear bluejeans and t-shirts, sneakers in there?

Can Asian get in there?

1. A month is ideal for most purposes

2. If you're a guy, a dark suit and shirt. If you're a girl, how about a low cut top, short skirt and strappy sandals?

3. Yes but you'll look like a poor person. Or an American.

4. Anyone who pays the UAH 60 entrance can get in

Cruiser D
08-13-07, 00:58
Will be in Kiev Sept 12th-27th.

Be very afraid. 15 days and about 50 girls to meet. I'm sensing a problem...;)

Iron Piss
08-13-07, 13:23
1. A month is ideal for most purposes

2. If you're a guy, a dark suit and shirt. If you're a girl, how about a low cut top, short skirt and strappy sandals?

3. Yes but you'll look like a poor person. Or an American.

4. Anyone who pays the UAH 60 entrance can get inThank you for your advice.

The answer is really concrete!

I'm a guy and a photographer, and go there to take photos.

(not for women, just for chernobyl and towns near black sea.)

but I want take photo beautiful Ukranian girls, (Maybe Can I ??)

There are too many stuff in my bag, so I can't bring my suit.

So I'll go there with my blue jeans!

Dear buddies! If you can see asian wear blue jean in River Palace on next week, it will be me.

hahahaha!

Just greeting to me! Thank you!

Have a nice journey!!

Tremayne
08-13-07, 20:43
Iron [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)

If you are going to RP forget the camera the security won't let you take it on the ship. As for dress code, at this time of year there isn't one, just about anything goes except shorts or sports trousers. Quite a few Asians hang out there most nights usually in blue jeans, so you'll need something a little different to be recognized, maybe a red bandana!


(http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)]Thank you for your advice.

The answer is really concrete!

I'm a guy and a photographer, and go there to take photos.

(not for women, just for chernobyl and towns near black sea.)

but I want take photo beautiful Ukranian girls, (Maybe Can I ??)

There are too many stuff in my bag, so I can't bring my suit.

So I'll go there with my blue jeans!

Dear buddies! If you can see asian wear blue jean in River Palace on next week, it will be me.

hahahaha!

Just greeting to me! Thank you!

Have a nice journey!!

Iron Piss
08-16-07, 16:11
Today, I came to Kiev!

In the airport, there are so many beauties.

They waiting for who?

By the way, plz recommend something to play, and stay in.

Is the station dangerous in the evening or night?

I want to take a train at night!

Thank you have a nice day.

(I'll go to crimera this weekend.)

Her555
08-16-07, 18:31
I will be in Kiev be the end of August, in the lest tims I try GIA agency, I know the our over priced but it was my choice because the or safe, reliable and always in time

this time I wont to try soms girl’s from www.top-models.com but the lest time I call allot of girls from their the speak to me on Ukraine, I ask the if the know English, the put down the phone on me,

so my quishon to you is, did any own know some of the girls from www.top-models.com the understand English, and if the will be willing to come to my hotel room

Let me know, and thanks in advents

Her555

Doctor_Skank
08-16-07, 20:18
Will be in Kiev Sept 12th-27th.

Be very afraid. 15 days and about 50 girls to meet. I'm sensing a problem...;)


Be afraid. Be very afraid. One word.

C-I-A-L-I-S.

Cruiser D
08-16-07, 22:28
555, try the girls who have 'speaks English' in their profile.

Dr S, have never tried the stuff. This will be my first time in Kiev during the fall. Right at the prime time of all the students coming back to school. Between the girls I already know, the online girls I'm set up to meet and the girls I am going to meet by chance. I am going to be one very busy American in Kiev. Ah Kiev, I can smell your smog filled air already as I walk down the barely passably sidewalks.

It Travel
08-17-07, 07:39
(http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)]Today, I came to Kiev!

In the airport, there are so many beauties.

They waiting for who?

By the way, plz recommend something to play, and stay in.

Is the station dangerous in the evening or night?

I want to take a train at night!

Thank you have a nice day.

(I'll go to crimera this weekend.)


I can imagine that the beauties at the airport are waiting for friens as everywhere else...

The station is not really dangerous but it's not like Kievskaya in Moscow where you wont get in if you do not have a train ticket, and there are often police men going around. Here the station (Kiev Pass) is open on the road.. taxis, regular and gipsy ones and so on... It's like every where else.

For the train take a 1st class sleeping berth... I use it often. nice experience, and you can sit and eat in the restaurant. The police is on the train too.. usually so no real danger, but keep your valuables with you.

IT

It Travel
08-17-07, 07:41
Be afraid. Be very afraid. One word.

C-I-A-L-I-S.


L-E-V-I-T-R-A is good too, you will find original ones (and Viagra too) very easily at the apoteka (chemist or pharmacy) inside the Tsum supermarket on K. street. They are all surely real, no imitation.

IT

PS The pharmacy have also, at leat, 20 types of condoms... if you need!

It Travel
08-17-07, 08:13
i will be in kiev be the end of august, in the lest tims i try gia agency, i know the our over priced but it was my choice because the or safe, reliable and always in time

this time i wont to try soms girl’s from www.top-models.com but the lest time i call allot of girls from their the speak to me on ukraine, i ask the if the know english, the put down the phone on me,

so my quishon to you is, did any own know some of the girls from www.top-models.com the understand english, and if the will be willing to come to my hotel room

let me know, and thanks in advents

her555


some advice...

here the first pics by our doc skank of mt in march 2004...

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=322592&postcount=78

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=322656&postcount=81

some nice photos done by myself...

this from the last days in april 2007 (posted later)
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=600503&postcount=674

these are from may 2004 (posted later)
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?
p=327087&postcount=98

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=326648&postcount=93

if you want gia girls inf see also here

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=600477&postcount=671 and in the link enclosed...

so if you get her (the mystery tramp, real name alesia) in the bed (i sent the tel by pm) you will join a nice club here.

doc skank, bez bezzarra, roger mellie, ballentine30, mr moore, best sex, crusier d, uke boy, dick1, tremayne, uke boy, perhaps also lukasek and explorer69 etc etc, an my self of course... we all nailed her and where all satisfied.

mind that all her holes are avaliable, cim, cof etc too... :d and she speeks aceptable english.

some body tells that she is not in activity... but talked to her not more than 4 weeks ago.. and she was sawn at rp some weeks ago...

nice hunt!

it

Sevastopol1
08-17-07, 14:02
(http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)]Today, I came to Kiev!

In the airport, there are so many beauties.

They waiting for who?

By the way, plz recommend something to play, and stay in.

Is the station dangerous in the evening or night?

I want to take a train at night!

Thank you have a nice day.

(I'll go to crimera this weekend.)

Sevastopol, Balaclava and Yalta are full of half dressed / half naked Russian women, you could be busy!

Doctor_Skank
08-17-07, 15:30
555, try the girls who have 'speaks English' in their profile.

Dr S, have never tried the stuff. This will be my first time in Kiev during the fall. Right at the prime time of all the students coming back to school. Between the girls I already know, the online girls I'm set up to meet and the girls I am going to meet by chance. I am going to be one very busy American in Kiev. Ah Kiev, I can smell your smog filled air already as I walk down the barely passably sidewalks.

Don't underestimate the Power of C.

It's your friend in times of need... particularly when drink + tiredness + copious amounts of serial fucking with sexy Russkaya-Ukrainka babes is on your schedule.

Eros74
08-17-07, 20:31
It Travel,

very good collection about her, thanks!

I enjoyed it and even if actually i do not plan to go to Kiev, she is really my favourite type of girl, blond, skinny and that do everything...I can get crazy for such girl! :)

Lucky men who got her...

Poka

Iron Piss
08-17-07, 22:44
Dear My Friends!

As you know, now I’m in Kiev, BUT! I can't hang out any girl!.

Tonight, I went to Casino Rio. It has strip bar.

I surprised that, there is no girl can speak ENGLISH!

I think a waitress is most beautiful, but.. she can’t speak English..also..

Maybe I’ll study Russian, when I return to my home.

And I think “the barrier” is too high for Asians.

So I’m afraid that when I go to River Palace also same situation(girls don’t like asian, and
Also they can’t speak ENGLISH…… T.T)

My plan is, tomorrow, I’ll go to savasterpol, and yalta, and balaclava(to scuba diving in there).

And visit odesa and Lviv.

My friend doesn’t recommend to visit east part of Ukraine, but I want to go there also.

Please recommend to me best city to visit. (also best girls in there!)

I think Kiev is not good place to hang out, should better call the GIA!!

Sevastifol1 and IT travel I really appreciate for your kind advice

It Travel
08-18-07, 07:47
(http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)]Dear My Friends!

As you know, now I’m in Kiev, BUT! I can't hang out any girl!.

Tonight, I went to Casino Rio. It has strip bar.

I surprised that, there is no girl can speak ENGLISH!

I think a waitress is most beautiful, but.. she can’t speak English..also..

Maybe I’ll study Russian, when I return to my home.

And I think “the barrier” is too high for Asians.

So I’m afraid that when I go to River Palace also same situation(girls don’t like asian, and
Also they can’t speak ENGLISH…… T.T)

My plan is, tomorrow, I’ll go to savasterpol, and yalta, and balaclava(to scuba diving in there).

And visit odesa and Lviv.

My friend doesn’t recommend to visit east part of Ukraine, but I want to go there also.

Please recommend to me best city to visit. (also best girls in there!)

I think Kiev is not good place to hang out, should better call the GIA!!

Sevastifol1 and IT travel I really appreciate for your kind advice

Sometimes I have been for weeks in small province towns of Ukraine (I'll not put out the names...) Of course you go to the most expencive disco and you find what you want. But after all it's not so cheaper if you compare to Kiev. Just half, but low standards and bad selection. May be tourist resorts are good options. Just three/four girls avaliable and a small selection from the hotel security and it was all...

In my opinion Kiev is a good compromise for those liking young blondinkas. You can get them around 300 USD/night or even for free if you are skillfull enough (mind that a dinner, some drinks and a small present will help a lot).

I hope I'll be there soon.

IT ;)

Uke Boy
08-18-07, 12:10
IP,

Sorry but I will be tough on you.

In Kiev's clubs and bars, many girls, waitresses and strippers do speak some English. Not all but enough. You just need to go from one to the other. In addition, ladies here are very reluctant to speak when spoken to in English, they are afraid of making mistakes or looking silly. That means you have to stay at the conversation and not leave when they say "I don't speak English."

We have in this forum gone over this topic many times. The best region for finding girls is Kiev. Other than that, in East and West Ukraine you had better learn Russian for the East or Ukrainian for the West. English will not help except in the rarest of circumstances.

I suggest you go and enjoy yourself in Crimea but do not expect too much success there since it not only has Ukrainians by the ton but also Russians, all of whom do not know English (or know very little) since Russian is the language of Crimea.

In your case, I agree, go to GIA.

GandJim
08-18-07, 12:37
(http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)]
And I think “the barrier” is too high for Asians.

So I’m afraid that when I go to River Palace also same situation(girls don’t like asian, and
Also they can’t speak ENGLISH……

I totally disagree with you (and totally agree with Uke Boy). I'm Asian too, nearly 60 now, big belly and almost no hairs, visiting Eastern Europe for many years and didn't had any problem hooking up with a girl one-third my age in Kiev (or in any other city I visited in Eastern Europe). Had more than once problem kicking them away when they glue to me thinking I'm a Japanese businessman (i.e. a walking wallet).

Many learned English at school, but didn't practice and are worried making mistake. Learn a few words in Russian yourself, and once they've heard how bad you are, they'll speak English to you.

And if you can't get a girl in Kiev, even in River Palace!, don't even think about going anywhere else in Ukraine.

Jim

Ash1001
08-18-07, 12:42
Iron [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), Kiev girls tend to like guys who spend money, aren't drunk or rude, are decently dressed and take control of situations. That's about it.

Where you're from doesn't make too much difference.

Iron Piss
08-18-07, 13:45
Wow! Dear my friends!

Thanks for your all adivises!

Yes, I think the only thing that I need is spend a lot of money,

It's great pity that I didn't bring any suit, and even bvlgary watch.

I'll try tonight and I hope I'll success!

(I don't like alcohol, and I'm not rude guy (I think so)

And. I'll go to crimea tomorrow!

Thank you so much!

Cruiser D
08-18-07, 22:36
If you are willing to spend up to $300 and can't get laid at River Palace you need to seriously consider packing it in and start looking at the M4M postings.

Going outside of Kiev - except for Odessa is a big mistake unless you speak at least some tourist Russian - 100 or so words.

Banker, who is Asian rocks the house in Kiev - so don't use that as a crutch.

However the less attractive/in shape you are the proportionally bigger your wallet should be when chasing the 7+ girls in Ukraine. Anyone can bag a 6- girl.

Uke is 100% right as always. However I think if you are going to the Crimea just to experience the Crimea - ie a real vacation you should have an ok time. Of course anyone who can travel to any other beach destination in the world would be insane to go to the Crimea just for vacation. Unless you want to reenact the Charge of the Light Brigade. Or want to watch the Russian Black Sea Fleet rust and occasionally shell the Ukrainian coast. ;)

It Travel
08-19-07, 07:53
as cruiser d says if you aren't able to get laid with 300 usd in kiev there is something wrong.

my beautiful friend [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) and her girlfriend asked us 300 for 12 hours nights... doing all that was immaginable.

gia girls are not beauties, but safe, and if you take them by day schedule, the price is the same 600/day.

on www.flirt.com.ua you will find beauties (i always search those under 20-22) for 300-350 night... you might do a serach there to for your destination city...

in my opinion kiev is still the best monger offer in ukraine (but i have not been in odessa...), thousand of willing teens just to be taken from an apple from a tree... if you go an evening only to river palace, from 10.00 p.m. to 2.00 a.m. you will find from bar to disco etc over 100, usually well under 25. why hell go elswhere... the only problem is some ripp-off taxi (100 grivnas from there to the centre, should be 20-30) but as crusier says, don't look cheap... girls like guys with money, indepndently if you are paying them or not!

it

ps i always (with normal girls) get a meeting for dinner in a nice restaurant, with siut, tie, etc (mind i'm italian), a small present... and they (still not enough experience, but...) get in the bed before midnight!

Bbois77
08-19-07, 09:19
It Travel, sorry for being such a lazy git, can you do a step by step guide as to how search on the site listed below, also , for the less pretty, what are the prices do you reckon.....for a girl who is say 6/7...3-4 hours??.. many thanks, Bois

"On www.flirt.com.ua you will find beauties (I always search those under 20-22) for 300-350 night... You might do a serach there to for your destination city..."

Piper1
08-19-07, 09:36
Doc Skank, Bez Bezzarra, Roger Mellie, Ballentine30, Mr Moore, Best Sex, Crusier D, Uke Boy, Dick1, Tremayne, Uke Boy, perhaps also Lukasek and Explorer69 etc etc, an my self of course... we all nailed her and were all satisfied.Wow, that must have been a wild party! ;)

Nice pics. She has a pretty face.

It Travel
08-19-07, 09:55
It Travel, sorry for being such a lazy git, can you do a step by step guide as to how search on the site listed below, also , for the less pretty, what are the prices do you reckon.....for a girl who is say 6/7...3-4 hours??.. many thanks, Bois

"On www.flirt.com.ua you will find beauties (I always search those under 20-22) for 300-350 night... You might do a serach there to for your destination city..."


Usually they cahrage all between 60 and 100 USD/hour.. depends on anal, BBBJ, etc... So you see that overnighter are much more convenient: more sex less money ! :D

But for four hours you could make a deal.. on 150/200 or so... I'm not in to this because I usally take only overnighters (sometimes two!)

IT

It Travel
08-19-07, 09:56
Wow, that must have been a wild party!

Nice pics. She has a pretty face.

As all the others can tell you it was not together... ;)

But she have nice pink holes... well trained :D

IT

DJ FourMoney
08-19-07, 09:58
as cruiser d says if you aren't able to get laid with 300 usd in kiev there is something wrong.

my beautiful friend [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) and her girlfriend asked us 300 for 12 hours nights... doing all that was immaginable.

gia girls are not beauties, but safe, and if you take them by day schedule, the price is the same 600/day.

on www.flirt.com.ua you will find beauties (i always search those under 20-22) for 300-350 night... you might do a serach there to for your destination city...

in my opinion kiev is still the best monger offer in ukraine (but i have not been in odessa...), thousand of willing teens just to be taken from an apple from a tree... if you go an evening only to river palace, from 10.00 p.m. to 2.00 a.m. you will find from bar to disco etc over 100, usually well under 25. why hell go elswhere... the only problem is some ripp-off taxi (100 grivnas from there to the centre, should be 20-30) but as crusier says, don't look cheap... girls like guys with money, indepndently if you are paying them or not!

it

ps i always (with normal girls) get a meeting for dinner in a nice restaurant, with siut, tie, etc (mind i'm italian), a small present... and they (still not enough experience, but...) get in the bed before midnight!

i can second recommending rp, the eye candy is worth admission alone.

taxi's can be a rip, however when i was with telos, we didn't overpay and we talked to 4 cabbies outside at like 5am before we got a price we were comfortable with. considering my flat was on the other side of the city, i felt the price was reasonable.

i didn't take out at rp, though i would and considering the price for what you get compared to the states, its worth it.

oh and the 2 girls i talked too and the girl telos tried to talk too, all spoke enough english for casual conservation.

Bbois77
08-19-07, 10:50
"Usually they cahrage all between 60 and 100 USD/hour.. depends on anal, BBBJ, etc... So you see that overnighter are much more convenient: more sex less money !

But for four hours you could make a deal.. on 150/200 or so... I'm not in to this because I usally take only overnighters (sometimes two!)"


IT, can you tell me how search...translate the 10-20 relevant words....please?

It Travel
08-19-07, 11:07
"Usually they cahrage all between 60 and 100 USD/hour.. depends on anal, BBBJ, etc... So you see that overnighter are much more convenient: more sex less money !

But for four hours you could make a deal.. on 150/200 or so... I'm not in to this because I usally take only overnighters (sometimes two!)"


IT, can you tell me how search...translate the 10-20 relevant words....please?

Sorry I can't understand... look at http://www.uakisski.com/

You will see something, nothing exceptional but... I cant do the use of flirt for you...

IT

Bbois77
08-19-07, 15:37
Sorry I can't understand... look at http://www.uakisski.com/

You will see something, nothing exceptional but... I cant do the use of flirt for you...

IT


IT, thanks for that....but can you translate the 20 or so relevant words on the two sites so I may search...e.specially the ones in bloody cryllic!!


Thanks!

Uke Boy
08-19-07, 19:42
Bbois,

here is all the Russian you need to know....

Ty shlyukha? Skolko ty stoish? Khorosho, poshli trakhatsya.

With that, you will have the ladies falling at your feet.

Bbois77
08-19-07, 20:55
Bbois,

here is all the Russian you need to know....

Ty shlyukha? Skolko ty stoish? Khorosho, poshli trakhatsya.

With that, you will have the ladies falling at your feet.


Let me guess....basically means.....

Are you scared?

Very scared?

You'd better be, cos' I have a gun!


Guys...please don't mess with me !!!!!!!

Qjump
08-20-07, 09:04
IP,

Do not come east unless you have a little russian, I am in Donetsk and speak enough russian to get by but still there is a problem with 80% of the girls!

Yalta is great, I prefer Azof for the easier pick up.

I have a number of a hot one in Burdansk if you find yourself there.Q