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On that note, what we really need is for oil to drop back to $8/barrel!
May I also add in the "needs" column that the price of the Stunner over in the corner drops to $75 for LT overnight? Oh yes, and that to include all requested services. Thank you.
uke,
did you even read my post or answer the questions found therein ? i agreed with many of your assumptions and disagreed with many others, i didn't say i was write or that you were wrong, i simply stated that i disagreed with your analysis.
i also simply stated that real estate was a good investment for most 3-5 years ago, but for many reasons, it just doesn't make sense today. and i won't go on and on about bullshit, it is plain and simple roi ( return of investment ) if i invest in a property worth 5000 a sq meter, do i have a realistic chance of that property appreciating to 10,000 a sq meter in the next few years ???? hell no, and that is why i am no longer investing in kiev real estate, i have moved on.
but, it is simply false to say that it wasn't a good investment 3-10 years ago. and i will repeat my initial question to you ( forgive me if it sounds arrogant ), other than simple observations what actual real estae experience have you had in kiev during the last 15 years ?? all i know is this, property used to cost 900-1500 a sq meter when i purchased it and it is now worth 5000-10000, i have sold some of it, recoopped my initial investment and made a killing and even if the prices on the remainder drop 50% ( which i don't find to be an accurate figure, i would conservatively put the figure at 20-30%, but i could be wrong, there is no way of actually knowing since we are all just guesstimating and shouldn't get bent out of shape if someone guesses differently, ) it will still be worth many times what i purchased it for.
and i already stated the prices will drop, everyone with half a brain sees this is a bubble, and they are bursting all over the world, look at the us, california and florida used to be some of the most attractive places to invest, and look at them now. condos in florida that used to sell for 1 million, you can't give them away now for 500k. houses in california that used to be valued at 1.2 million are down to 900k today. you are talking about a 25% drop in 18 months, and there is no end in sight, people are talking about how prices could drop another 20-25%. look at london, does no one see that bubble ? how do 100 year mortgages sound ? reasonable ?? well they are becoming standard in europe.
kiev real estate is not a good investment for simple roi reasons today, but if you had the cash, the balls and the connections a few years back, you could have easily quadrupled your money in a couple of years. and many people did, and i think alot of this is sour grapes. from some of the posts here i sense a bit of resentment towards the ukrainians who have become multi millionaires and billionaires overnight, it seems middle class westerners that could travel to many parts of the world and feel and appear rich by local standards are hard pressed to appear middle class in kiev. sorry, just an observation based on many previous posts and certain bellicose comments made by some. but again, maybe i am wrong.
and yes you are right, ukraine, like the us, like latin america, like many countries is filled with contradictions and either you take the good with the bad or you learn to enjoy valium, because it is what it is, it isn't perfect, but what in life really is. i also see turbulent times in ukraine, the first sign of this was the " orange revolution ", it was marketed as a cure all that would stamp out corruption, bring all the poor into the middle class, strengthen the economy, bring ukraine closer to europe so on and so forth, this never happened. corruption continued and even increased, the only thing that changed was the spectrum of corruption broadened, you no longer had the russian backed politicians getting paid, you had us and european backed politicians getting paid as well, does anyone think they will ever give this up ?? why should they ?? look at the us, politicians are owned by multinationals ( they should wear decals ), everyone knows this, someone please explain what exactly " lobbyists " in the us do ? isn't it basically legalized corruption and bribery? how many politicians have gone to prison or lost their jobs in the last few years in the us because of excessive corruption ?? so i don't want to sound cheesy and say maybe the pot is calling the kettle black but come on guys, corruption greases the political wheel everywhere and makes the world go round. so yes you are right uke, ukrainians are good at exploiting corruption, almost as good as the us, and as long as it exists, they will continue to be good at it and profit from it.
very interesting commentary uke, and you are right about many things and i value your insight, but as you said in your post you are not the sole expert ( no matter how much cd insists ) and neither and in no way am i, i just bring a different perspective and as long as we respect our differing views, we can have thought provoking and constructive debate.
and to cd, i will not directly reply to any of your comments, you have quickly become a sad, bitter little figure in my mind and i just basically wish you would stop directing your anger and insecurities towards me.
regards to all the thinking individuals on here,
e-z
AColonizer
10-27-07, 21:12
I am not sure but I heard the International Monetary Fund said that the world economy will be slowing more than expectations.
I hope nobody will be poorer than now. If Europe and USA and Japan will be poorer, I am afraid what could happen in Ukraine.
In my opinion money to Kiev comes mainly from Russia,so until oil prices drop, the real estate prices,inflation etc will be on the rise.The same is true with ukrainian arrogance.It is fueled by the high oil prices that have a multiplied effect on their russian neighbours.There are agreements between the countries,for example Ukraine sells low quality steel produced in Donbass to Russia and the prices are fixed.I think they have contained many terms in agreement,how much will everything cost,how the price will vary according to oil price and maybe there is a kind of product change,fixed,not normal price determination according to laws of offer and demand.The russians and ukrainians are so tricky that is difficult to understand them.
I also think that high prices in real estate are not only due to speculation but they come naturally from the lack of available places to build modern buildings due to existence of heavy previous communist constracture.They cannot demolish every old building and so they have to pay astronomical prices for a small piece of land to build.So it is like generation of a super modern city within the oldest and most antiproductive environment.
Elite in these countries does not care about spending.They have different sense of economics.Even in tsar times the russian palaces were the most luxurious in the world although most of the population was starving.They do not care about the middle class and they do not give a damn about democracy or human rights as people mean it in the West.
Street Sleuth
10-27-07, 23:21
May I also add in the "needs" column that the price of the Stunner over in the corner drops to $75 for LT overnight? Oh yes, and that to include all requested services. Thank you.
Its a complex mathematical equation - but both are substantially equal.
$8/barrel oil = $75 all-night stunning hot girl of your choice....
... fewer rich Ukrainians to compete with, more unemployed girls ...
Aah, such stuff as heaven is made of..
DoctorOral
10-28-07, 12:42
I called Geisha Massage yesterday and had lola come visit. Fund time, very intimate massage and fun. She stayed longer than she should have. And enjoyed her massage, too.
Has anyone tried caif in kiev? I have seen their ad in a russian magazine, the place looks great and the girls do too?
Hecker, there hasn't been a Russian/Ukrainian 'elite' since the last Tsar got offed. Since then it's been a long line of one thug replacing another every 20 or so years usually followed with massive purges of the 'elite' so that the ruling thug could install those loyal to him.
The 'elite' generally dislikes the middle class because before they became rich thugs they were generally poor thugs. Not only that but a large and strong educated middle class is a direct threat to their criminally amassed fortune and power. And Hecker, real style and culture in the FSU comes from the middle class. Case in point, have you been to the art house in Mandarin Plaza founded by whats his name. I've seen more taste and culture at a New Jersey flea market.
Street, up until Spring 2005 you could still get a hot semi pro at RP for $100 for the night. I'd be happy if the price of oil went back down to pre war levels. Look for it to drop when the petro president leaves office next year (good riddance to that pile of crap and his administration). It’s too bad slick Willie got impeached and he didn’t.
Uke, Evils has contributed some very useful information but personally I think he's a wanker. Luckily my opinion doesn't count for anything.
I totally agree with Evilx.You simply do not understand slavic and russian-ukrainian mentality(with all their differences) as Evil does.Russian and ukrainian elite simply hates the middle class,they represent in their view the most low class taste,average mass lack of style,lack of culture etc.They like freedom a lot more than their western counterparts even if it involves violating the rights of common people that in the west are taken for granted.
Street Sleuth
10-28-07, 15:56
CD,
I'm beginning to take to your posts, even if they are a bit on the aggresive side.
Worldwide, I'd say true 'class' has little to no connection with wealth and/or societal position. You can be rich, with zero class, or dirt poor, with a very respectable level of class. In the FSU, I'd tend to agree - the majority of people with class generally tend to come from the struggling lower economic echelons.
As for Bush, and the Republicans in general, It seems odd that they lay claim to be economically conservative, yet everytime they gain power, the economy goes into tailspin, and the Federal debt skyrockets.
Wasn't the whole idea of going into Iraq to get cheap oil? What the hell happened with that?
Street Sleuth
10-28-07, 16:01
CD - you mean the 'Petuchark' (or something like that) gallery?
I've avoided it altogether - there is always such a long line, I figure it must truly suck!
The name is Victor PINCHUK, and he is ex-president Kuchma's son-in-law and robber baron big time.
Now you understand how he made his grivna. It did not come by working for it and earning it the honest way.
Then again, no one here is honest so why should he be any different.
The gallery is known as the Pinchuk Art Centre, his way to a small measure of legitimacy. He is trying to emulate the Russian merchants of the 19th Century such as Tretyakov and others but they had intelligence and good taste, culture and education, something he and his colleagues lack big time and will never have.
Street Sleuth
10-28-07, 16:43
the name is victor pinchuk, and he is ex-president kuchma's son-in-law and robber baron big time.
now you understand how he made his grivna. it did not come by working for it and earning it the honest way.
then again, no one here is honest so why should he be any different.
the gallery is known as the pinchuk art centre, his way to a small measure of legitimacy. he is trying to emulate the russian merchants of the 19th century such as tretyakov and others but they had intelligence and good taste, culture and education, something he and his colleagues lack big time and will never have.
that's it! pinchuk!
someone explained that all to me, but in russian, so i missed the finer details (i understood it was somehow related to kuchma, but that was all....).
i don't know i'd agree that everyone is dishonest here - but it is certainly the case that hard work and honesty aren't the typical path to success in these parts, unfortunately.
the 'orange revolution' aside, i think the general populace needs to be more vocal and aggressive with their leaders. kiev parliament gives $10 billion of kiev land away to themselves/their friends for huge bribes, and not a peep out of anyone, except for the kyiv post (in english!)?!
there should be riots in the streets!
You are 100% correct SS, Some of the most intelligent PH.D's in Ukraine, I mean the people that, during the USSR, really helped advance medicine, science, technology, weapons development, education and so on, are now working in State Universities and Hospitals making 400 dollars a month, it is ridiculous, and I mean career academics, with multiple degrees. At the same time you have hookers making 2000 US a month or more, or government officials lining their pockets through corruption and bribery.
The sad thing is, to those that travel the world, we see this EVERYWHERE, Latin America, the US, all over Easter Europe, Europe, Asia and so on. Same shit different day.
The " Orange " revolution was a joke. It only traded greater Russian influence and integration for greater EU and US influence and interference. Only time will tell which is better and which is worse. So far these Orange cronies are looking to be worse and much more likely to suspend the constitution and quickly hurl the country into political chaos in order to maintain power. But, we will see.
Regards,
E-Z
Uke, Evils has contributed some very useful information but personally I think he's a wanker. Luckily my opinion doesn't count for anything.The feeling is mutual, the difference is I don't have to send harassing emails and continuously repeat the same sentiments over and over again.
Street,
Riots in the street here will happen when bread rise to 5 grivna for a "baton." If inflation is not controlled and food prices continue their steady rise, watch out, there will be trouble.
After 75 years of Communism, the average citizen has had his fill of politics. They knew they were robbed (and more than once though bank and currency manipulations) in Soviet days. They know that they are being robbed now but just feel there is nothing they as individuals can do about it, let alone head into the streets to protest as a group.
There have been protests of one sort or another at City Hall, the Rada and many other ministries. The end result: 0
The politicians as well as bureaucrats of all political colors are about as responsive as a piece of granite. This will not change under what may be the new Timoshenko government. Even Yushchenko and his American wife are corrupt, dishonest and incompetent. I saw an article recently that said Ukraine is now what Italy was in the 50s. I am beginning to believe it.
Besides, the real riots should be in response to the higher prices now thrown at us the by the ladies of the various agencies. Now THAT really is a crime!
Kucma did only this positive thing. He controlled the prices. After the orange revolution everything skyrocketed. In Kiev you feel that you always overpay or pay for air, for nothing of value.
Actually Evils you do, all the time. This is the first time I called you a wanker and I sent you a private message explaining how intolerant Ukrainians can be, which really had no place in this forum.
You keep running around like chicken little saying Cruiser D is insulting me, picking on me. The only person slinging personal insults on a non stop basis is you.
I am sure your reports on western orientated ho'ing helped the noobies but it wasn't anything new GIA, Vodka and all the other western agencies have been covered at one time or another. But it does help to have someone post them every half year or so. I see you also posted your own report to the 'reports of distinction' thread, is that the sound of one hand clapping?
E-ZThe feeling is mutual, the difference is I don't have to send harassing emails and continuously repeat the same sentiments over and over again.
Explorer69
10-29-07, 13:33
I have spent a week in Kiev and will report my experiences. The first 3 days I was together with a “girlfriend” – and I had a great time. When she left me, I was on my own for 4 days and nights. Now it is almost 2 years since I had time to check out Kiev by myself. I have been there many times in the meantime, but always together with some girlfriend – except for a a single night now and then.
I had the pleasure to call Mystery Tramp. After a couple of days when we never could get our schedules to click, we met. What to say? She has been discussed quite a lot in this forum. We were together 4-5 hours, fucking, talking, drinking vodka! She is a strange mixture of hardcore ***** and still in some ways an almost innocent girl in her talking and behaviour. After some very professional start she got more into it: was it me or the vodka? And when she really gets going – she really gets going! That girl can suck dick!! All in all, a big pleasure!
I also dined and wined a very hot girl for 2 evenings. She even managed to get me on a shopping trip – and all of the sudden I once more realized that the nonpros are more expensive than the pros. And I did not get any pussy! But she is in reserve till the next time!
In advance I had contacted this girl by e-mail:
http://www.europedates.com/mprofile.php?id=6588&index=40&pg=2&sexe=1&photo=0
She wants to see your picture and she is rather selective with whom she meets. Euro 300 for all night. She is a sophisticated girl, expects to be wined and dined in expensive restaurants as a part of the package, so you can add USD 100+. Fluent English, to be recommended.
I also sent for a girl from flirt.ru who advertised “intim for money”. It was another girl trhan on the pictures coming. Against better knowledge I still accepted her (USD 70 for 1 hour). It was a waste. Cheaper to masturbate!!
I was one night in Millenium strip club. My feeling was that quality of the strippers had gone down since my last viist maybe 2 years ago when they all were stunners (almost!). But there was this stunning girl whom I had been with 2-3 years ago, shortly after she had started to strip. We were together at that time several nights (also on her free nights), we had fantastic sex together, I remember I got so horny only to see this fantastic body moving in my bed. With this memory I took her out again, it costs USD 500! Crazy maybe? But this was a depressing experience. Maybe the lesson is: let the past be the past? I should not try to get back a previous great experience? Years of dancing and fucking a lot of guys had done something bad to her. The first time we met she was really into it, we clicked and everything was like with a fantastic girlfriend. Now she only did BJ with condom, I was not allowed to give her oral, and everything was rather mechanical. I remember the first time we met, she told me she made 3-4000 dollars a month and maybe fucked one guy per week. Now she made close to10 000 dollars a month! Since she makes around 2500 from tips etc., one can make a calculation how many guys she fucks per month to get this amount of money. And she has no apartment, no car, she just spends all money on nothing (cloths, cosmetics, beauty salon, etc)! Furthermore, when looking closer at her, the years had done something bad. The body was not as toned and firm as it used to be, the breasts did not stand out perfectly as before. And she is only 24! The fate of a stripper with a hard (busy) life?
The last evening I was in Kiev I went to River Palace, I was curious about the present situation which has been described in this forum. The quality was good, and since I have not been there for 1-2 years, the girls were new for me. All girls started on USD 300. Usually looking for some young girl, dressed in rather simple clothes and looking shy was a good bet. Now I did, but this 19 years old, innocent-looking started with 300 for one hour, 600 for all night!! No way. I discussed with several and yes, it was 300 for 1-2 hours. The prices have escalated. I remember the happy days when it was 150 and one could often easily get it down to 100. However, with the low dollar, in fact the price has not increased that much for us who don’t have dollar as our native currency.
I am not interested in waiting until 3 am and see who is left, I prefer to have an early start and then stay with the girl longer if everything works out well. Now it was midnight and I ended up going with a very sweet girl (USD 300 for 4 hours). This was great luck! We became completely lovers, passionate sex multiple times and she stayed till morning. For me it was only to pack and go to the airport.
What to say as a conclusion: Still lots of pussy available in Kiev, but prices are going up. We can take it or leave it! And I have this weakness for the Slavic girls, they are so passionate when they get going. And nobody gives oral the way they do it!
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Evil,
There are lots of folks with advanced degrees here, and I agree they make a pittance. But if they are so smart, then
1: Why are they still here when many of their colleagues are now in the USA, Europe, Israel or even in Russia doing much better than they are?
2: Why is this country and its government and laws all screwed up? How did the really really stupid become the political elite?
Last and not least,
3: Why is it that when a Ukrainian gets behind the wheel of a car, no matter his age, IQ, profession, etc., he turns into a severely retarded and no-IQ moron and who then drives no better and to my mind worse than most Egyptians, Pakistanis and many, many other third world citizens? There isn't a Ukrainian who doesn't consider himself smart and capable so why is his driving ability so deformed?
As for smart, the real smart guys are the bureaucrats who take and take and take without getting caught. They are the real geniuses using the system to benefit themselves.
The hookers I have no problem with, they do give a service we all want and need. I hope that they make as much money as they can while they can - at reasonable rates, naturally! Many, if not most, do it well, but there are also some rotten apples.
As for the political chaos here, my feeling is that for now it can only benefit Russia. It does not help the West and certainly does not help Ukraine most of all. In this uncertain political climate, only Russian companies are willing to "invest" (or steal at good prices) in Ukraine or Ukrainian businesses. Right now, they are doing it big time.
Risk-averse western companies will stay away except for the mega-corporations. When the dust finally settles and not for quite some time to come, I suspect we will see most of Ukraine transformed into an autonomous "guberniya."
The present political elite, orange, blue or any other color, are simply too incompetent and avaricious to care anything about their country and their people.
Gentleman Travel
10-29-07, 15:49
All this may seem irrelevant to the thread, but it is really spot on. Not that I encourage or invite economic depression, but when it happens, life in Ukraine will be even more interesting for us expats....fewer rich Ukrainians to compete with, more unemployed girls, cheaper apartment rents....
Whoring will continue to be the best career path for women in UA for quite some time. No worries there. To be honest it probably is here in London too, but their rates (GBP 1000 per night) are somewhat out of my league
Let's keep focussed on the good news!
The Ukrainian economic rollercoaster should knock some sense into the dyevs that have come to think it is beneath their dignity to fuck foreigners for modest financial gains. Unfortunately, once they have tasted $300-$500 per night, it will be difficult to bring them back to reality!
The reality is that it is still difficult, almost impossible, for ordinary girls to make ends meet, and the easiest way to fix that, or taste the good life, is a night on the town with a generous foreigner. And their best ticket to stability and happiness is a ticket to the west... for which they have to fuck a lot of frogs in order to find their prince!
Doctor_Skank
10-29-07, 15:51
...And their best ticket to stability and happiness is a ticket to the west... for which they have to fuck a lot of frogs in order to find their prince!
Ribbit.... :)
Anything else?
What a total loser.
E-Z
Actually Evils you do, all the time. This is the first time I called you a wanker and I sent you a private message explaining how intolerant Ukrainians can be, which really had no place in this forum.
You keep running around like chicken little saying Cruiser D is insulting me, picking on me. The only person slinging personal insults on a non stop basis is you.
I am sure your reports on western orientated ho'ing helped the noobies but it wasn't anything new GIA, Vodka and all the other western agencies have been covered at one time or another. But it does help to have someone post them every half year or so. I see you also posted your own report to the 'reports of distinction' thread, is that the sound of one hand clapping?
Evil,
There are lots of folks with advanced degrees here, and I agree they make a pittance. But if they are so smart, then
1: Why are they still here when many of their colleagues are now in the USA, Europe, Israel or even in Russia doing much better than they are? I think you were missing my point, I don't really care what they can earn in Germany, that goes without saying that they can make more abroad, but for those that don't want to leave their homes and families, it is irrelevant. I was talking about the salaries HERE in Kiev, ergo the thread " Kiev ". I just find it pathetic a career academic that has been working 30-40 years straight, is only making 400-500 US a month, while politicians and hookers make thousands, And I don't begrudge a hooker her 2000 a month I just think academics should be making at least as much. But whatever that's the current governments priorities for you.
2: Why is this country and its government and laws all screwed up? How did the really really stupid become the political elite? I think you could replace the country and ask that EXACT same question about ANY country, or is " Dubya " a member of mensa ?
3: Why is it that when a Ukrainian gets behind the wheel of a car, no matter his age, IQ, profession, etc., he turns into a severely retarded and no-IQ moron and who then drives no better and to my mind worse than most Egyptians, Pakistanis and many, many other third world citizens? There isn't a Ukrainian who doesn't consider himself smart and capable so why is his driving ability so deformed?Well, I have to agree with your general assessment here, many Ukrainians are bad drivers. But that is Ukraine, learn to deal with it, because bi*tching about it won't change a thing, and BTW, I am a GREAAAT driver. ;)
As for the political chaos here, my feeling is that for now it can only benefit Russia. It does not help the West and certainly does not help Ukraine most of all. In this uncertain political climate, only Russian companies are willing to "invest" (or steal at good prices) in Ukraine or Ukrainian businesses. Right now, they are doing it big time.I would have to say I think you are wrong here, any type of friction between Ukraine and Russia is to the wests advantage, just look at 2005-2006 all those disputes about gas was used endlessly by the US to try to discredit Russia, even though it was Ukraine that no longer wanted to play ball with Russia yet still wanted subsidized gas prices, they wanted their cake and and wanted to eat it too and in the end they weren't willing to pay for any of it, and Russia got the blame. So I disagree, anytime that Russia has conflict with Ukraine it is good for the west( at least rhetorically ). I mean, it's like the US cutting funding for countries where an opposition leader has won an election against a US funded candidate, you don't see Russia flying into said region and whining about it do you ? I don't think so, It is laughable how rhetorical that country is.
The present political elite, orange, blue or any other color, are simply too incompetent and avaricious to care anything about their country and their people.I have to agree with this assessment, though I definitely think that the same applies with many countries in the world, including the US, politicians are no longer beholden to their electorate, they are beholden to money and financial interests, and not always national interests. Politicians are beholden to multinationals and their home grown wealthy elite, and this is WRONG, but it is reality. Though I agree, I wish I didn't see it in Ukraine, but I would be blind if I didn't say I saw the same thing in the US or Latin America. Whats good for GM is good for America after all, right ? This is the age of the McElections. But that is what Capitalism is all about.
Way off topic but interesting banter,
Regards,
Evil Z
Street Sleuth
10-29-07, 20:09
Street,
Riots in the street here will happen when bread rise to 5 grivna for a "baton." If inflation is not controlled and food prices continue their steady rise, watch out, there will be trouble.
After 75 years of Communism, the average citizen has had his fill of politics. They knew they were robbed (and more than once though bank and currency manipulations) in Soviet days. They know that they are being robbed now but just feel there is nothing they as individuals can do about it, let alone head into the streets to protest as a group.
There have been protests of one sort or another at City Hall, the Rada and many other ministries. The end result: 0
The politicians as well as bureaucrats of all political colors are about as responsive as a piece of granite. This will not change under what may be the new Timoshenko government. Even Yushchenko and his American wife are corrupt, dishonest and incompetent. I saw an article recently that said Ukraine is now what Italy was in the 50s. I am beginning to believe it.
Besides, the real riots should be in response to the higher prices now thrown at us the by the ladies of the various agencies. Now THAT really is a crime!
Uke - I'm all for it! Where should we riot? In front of RP? How funny would it be, to see a group of guys picketing, holding signs berating P4P inflation?
I've had this political conversation will many a local - always get the same response you've given. "Why bother? Nothing will change. Everyone's tired of fighting. etc etc". I don't know how true it is or isn't, but its a shame it ends up this way, just the same.
Hi everyone,
I will be in Kiev soon,
Did any one know which one of this hotels is better scoring to "girl franly" this mean I will not have a problem to bring in their a girl. Also the better prise, I send a e-mail to dniprohotel the cost fur on night is 198 USD, this is to hige for me.
1) President hotel. 2) kiev. Radissonsas. 3) premier-palace. 4) opera-hotel. 5) natsionalny Kiev.
Let me know and thunks
Her
Street,
I am with you!
Let's start a revolution and all of it in front of River Palace.
Then when we get tired of looking like total fools, we can go inside, have a few drinks at the bar and then drown our sorrows and our lost cause in the bosoms of some caring local ladies. Perhaps they might later blow a song or two on some "flutes" we may have to offer them all night long.
This last scenario has an almost 100% chance of success than anyone here trying to get the local, regional or national governments to change.
All power to the hookers! Вся Власть Простититуткам!
Russians are the only ones who can benefit by agreement with Ukrainians because they know all the tricks the Ukrainians use in negotiations. Westerners are completely ignorant.
In my opinion Evilz views are valuable because they represent the opinion of an insider,not an expat,who may think in different terms about the same situations.His opinions are very realistic,it is exactly what you meet in Ukraine.
We cannot express it that good cause we share common western way of thinking.
Explorer69
10-30-07, 10:17
Maybe we should start discussing mongering again? The discussion during the last few days does not lead anywhere?
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Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Thank You,
Jackson
Street Sleuth
10-30-07, 16:40
Hi everyone,
I will be in Kiev soon,
Did any one know which one of this hotels is better scoring to "girl franly" this mean I will not have a problem to bring in their a girl. Also the better prise, I send a e-mail to dniprohotel the cost fur on night is 198 USD, this is to hige for me.
1) President hotel. 2) kiev. Radissonsas. 3) premier-palace. 4) opera-hotel. 5) natsionalny Kiev.
Let me know and thunks
Her
I have never actually stayed in a hotel in Kiev, but from what I know, they will all be in that price range - at least the nicer ones which you listed (and even more expensive, to tell the truth).
The highest end hotels won't bother you. The cheapest hotels will block entrance and/or demand some sort of bribe.
Best bet is to go with a daily apartment - best value in these parts.
PS - this is directly related to mongering. If you don't first find a place to stay in Kiev, its really hard to hook up!
DoctorOral
10-30-07, 18:56
I would try the Lybid Hotel for your first stay- it is a shithole for 90-100$ / night, but then you know it is a shithole and you can cope with it.If you go for a double room and bring in girls or have girls come to you, it is no problem at all. if you book a single, you are cheaper, but then you need to sign the girls in and pay the difference every night. so go for double.
Then after your first visit, go for apartment since you will know your way around, you have learned to live with the dark holes and the fun places and be on your own feet. Otherwise, you can also try a website-based apartment service who take care of apartment and the furniture (sexy girls) and airport pickup and so on. but they are expensive, too.
Hi everyone,
I will be in Kiev soon,
Did any one know which one of this hotels is better scoring to "girl franly" this mean I will not have a problem to bring in their a girl. Also the better prise, I send a e-mail to dniprohotel the cost fur on night is 198 USD, this is to hige for me.
1) President hotel. 2) kiev. Radissonsas. 3) premier-palace. 4) opera-hotel. 5) natsionalny Kiev.
Let me know and thunks
Her
If you look at Gia site at this link
http://www.gia.com.ua/hotels/
you will find all the answers. One of the few, two three, with absolutely NO GIRLS is hotel Ukraina. So mind that even in a beautiful position and a facinating Stalin era building.
IT
Kucma did only this positive thing. He controlled the prices. After the orange revolution everything skyrocketed. In Kiev you feel that you always overpay or pay for air, for nothing of value.I think that every thing is under control in Ukraine. Europian Union is waiting. Hotels are expensive. Rent a flat!
A few posts have mentioned "sponsoring" college students.- for a few weeks, weekends, whatever. It was suggested that a number of girls 18-22 years old might be interested in such an arrangement and would say so on a web site like flirt.com. Ua. My vocabulary in Russian is small. (I can read stuff like: "I live with my family. " "I don't have kids but I would like to. " etc.)
Can anyone tell me what word or phrases I should look for?
Many thanks,
Moliere
Doctor_Skank
10-31-07, 08:10
A few posts have mentioned "sponsoring" college students.- for a few weeks, weekends, whatever. It was suggested that a number of girls 18-22 years old might be interested in such an arrangement and would say so on a web site like flirt.com. Ua. My vocabulary in Russian is small. (I can read stuff like: "I live with my family. " "I don't have kids but I would like to. " etc.)
Can anyone tell me what word or phrases I should look for?
Many thanks,
Moliere
Words like "hochu naiti sponsora/Хочу найти спонсора" meaning: "i'm looking for a sponsor".
There isn't much mystery to it.
Wally, Hotel Lybid is kind of out of the way unless you plan on spending a lot of time at the train station.
It must of been a great location when 111 was still open. ;)
AColonizer
10-31-07, 16:03
Please, read my question with patience. .
I heard some prostitutes talking about their job starting in brothels. I am not sure brothels are dirty and dangerous places and I think there are nice and cheap girls in brothels too. Now everything has become expensive in Kiev and so I think to have a look in brothels, just to have an idea
My question is: where are brothels in Kiev? Brothels look like a government secret in Ukraine.
Thank you for help to us.
Can anyone give a price quote (average) for an apartment in Kiev for say, a week? Also, when I'm not poon-hunting, what historical sites are there to see in Kiev? I was told it's the oldest city in "Russia".It´s an good choice to go to kiew. Kiew is an very nice place, as all citys in Ukraine.
A must visite should be, parliamant, opera, main streat (there are very cool bars and restaurants) and many more. I will send you some pics from kiew if you want.
Kind regards
Street Sleuth
10-31-07, 16:53
A few posts have mentioned "sponsoring" college students.- for a few weeks, weekends, whatever. It was suggested that a number of girls 18-22 years old might be interested in such an arrangement and would say so on a web site like flirt.com. Ua. My vocabulary in Russian is small. (I can read stuff like: "I live with my family. " "I don't have kids but I would like to. " etc.)
Can anyone tell me what word or phrases I should look for?
Many thanks,
Moliere
I've seen discussions of this kind before - paying a girl to hang for a week or so - I really don't see it as terribly viable.
The options I know of:
nonpro: Anything is theoretically possible. No rules. But blunt money for sex generally doesn't fly. Same the world over.
semi-pro: Basically same pricing as a pro - price is per hour, or per night, but working volume is much lower (maybe once a weekend, instead of 3 times a night). If she likes you, you can perhaps arrange a longer period - weekend, week, whatever - but she's probably only going to consider liking you if she thinks you'll be in town for more than a week anyway.
pro: Simple. Price per hour, per night.....I suppose per week/weekend - but we're talking outrageous cash, to hang out with a girl you really won't want to have around that long anyway.
Now, as for the 'sponsoring' thing. I'm far from an expert on this - but my take is that these are basically semi-pros that want to restrict themselves to one - or a minimal number, anyway - 'boyfriend/s'. Fee is monthly, and it ain't cheap. The deal is kind of like, "I'll be your secret girlfriend, for a monthly fee". The deal makes sense for rich, married, local men. For the rest of us, I'm not so sure....
Doctor_Skank
10-31-07, 17:33
Now, as for the 'sponsoring' thing. I'm far from an expert on this - but my take is that these are basically semi-pros that want to restrict themselves to one - or a minimal number, anyway - 'boyfriend/s'. Fee is monthly, and it ain't cheap. The deal is kind of like, "I'll be your secret girlfriend, for a monthly fee". The deal makes sense for rich, married, local men. For the rest of us, I'm not so sure....
Essentially true, but many sponsor-seeking girls will accept some part-time work... a few hours, a day, a weekend... to keep cash flow in between real sponsors or get some extra cash on the side.
Sponsor seeking girls aren't prostitutes and yes they are. Hard to define, but essentially they are girls who sell their loyalty for cash and presents. Considering the alternatives available to them... giving up their sex for nothing to some drunken loser schmo who makes $200 a month at the brick factory, you can't really blame them for at least getting some money, some nights out on the town, holiday vacations and some presents for their sex. More importantly, if they are sponsored they get to hang out in the right circles were they might meet somebody offering more permenant arrangements.
You can ask any girl seeking sponsorship if she is looking for part-time work but:
a) she often isn't cheaper than a normal pro
b) she will be pretty choosy about who she goes with
These are girls who are prostitutes of sorts but would never admit to it, they are something "better" than that. They are just poor girls who need "help" to pay the tuition or whatever. Unlike pros from RP or salons, they are more choosy about whom they accept as a customer for a number of reasons.
I agree with SS though, for most of us it doesn't make much sense as value for money is often worse with this option than simple pro sex. Just my two bits.
Explorer69
10-31-07, 18:56
A few posts have mentioned "sponsoring" college students.- for a few weeks, weekends, whatever. It was suggested that a number of girls 18-22 years old might be interested in such an arrangement and would say so on a web site like flirt.com. MoliereI have sponsored several girls throughout the 6 years that I travelled regularly to Ukraine, both in Kiev and in Odessa. Common for them has been:
1. I had met the girls in some connection already before the question of sponsorship came up.
2. Most of them were semipros - we had met where I paid for the hour. They all wanted to stop picking up guys for money, they only did this infrequently to be able to continue their studies, to get a new coat, or.....
3. I had met them repeated times and in some ways we "clicked", then the question of sponsorship came up. In most cases I asked about sponsorship .
4. None of my sponsored girls regarded themselves as prostitutes, they were just "a girl who had a man who helped her". And this is nmore or less regarded as the duty of a man in Ukraine "if they are together".
5. The amount I have paid has been variable. One girl I paid USD 300/month to cover her rent - she was a student - and we had this for a year, we were both also "a little in love". During that period I was once every 1-2 months in Kiev, so it was a good financial situation also for me.
6. I have had girls that I paid up to USD 1000/month, however, these were exceptions. Like for instance I am for 4 days in kiev and I know that next month I will be there for a week - and this girl is really hot - and I like her - and sometimes my heart is weak against better knowledge... such amounts have only been for 1-3 months.
7. With all girls I have also had an emotional relationship, I enjoyed them in bed and out of bed, I really cared for them. I also think they had the same for me - and officially they told me I was the only one:)) - which I think was correct for some of them, for others not.
8. All the girls I have sponsored have expressed that they only want to cover for their studies, their rent, and a very reasonable living. Those that express they need a lot of money for beauty salons, make-up etc., they are paid by the hour:)).
9. However, the girls that want thousands of dollars per month they have difficulties in finding some sponsor, after all there are more hot girls than rich Ukrainians:))
10. Most girls I give money per month either I am in Ukraine or not. However, others I just give a clump sum for the time we are together and then not until we meet again. Of course these girls have others when I am not there.
11. If you travel frequently to Ukraine this is at least for me a great solution. It has in many situations been like have some very horny, sexy, hot girlfriends - and their abilities in the sex department have been thoroughly tested before any sponsorship is discussed. It is for me absolutely necessary that we have a good time also out of bed and intellectually. Therefore I never sponsor until we had "some test runs".
12. When I am there, I have the undivided attention of a girl I love to fuck and whose company I enjoy. Sometimes we are together 24 hours a day, having sex for morning, lunch, afternoon, night. Sometimes she is away for some hours to university, sometimes I am away for my business. usually they do some kitchen and food work - I have even had my shirts ironed!
13. But I have also been cheated by a couple of girls...
14. A couple of girls I have had with me on travels outside Ukraine.
15. Sometimes you also give the "unavoidable gift", so financially it is more expensive that to get some hooker you have sex with a for a couple of hours. But maybe I am a romantic fool:)), the whole part, at least believing there is tenderness and some emotions is very good...:))
Overall conclusion: Unless you want to fuck as many girls as possible over a short time, to have a sponsored girl is usually great! At least for me! But we are different!
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DoctorOral
11-01-07, 02:22
Wally, Hotel Lybid is kind of out of the way unless you plan on spending a lot of time at the train station.
It must of been a great location when 111 was still open. ;)Cruiser,
I said it is cheap! And Rus is far further. And it is a good and save 8 Min walk from Arena. And it is cheap. And it has sushi next door. And a good supermarket to buy booze. Actually, the train station is NOT a bad place at all to find the right girl as GF, but wake up early and see all the hotties flood the city!
OK, so I've learned that the Russian word for "sponsor" is "sponsor." Thanks for the hints. Maybe I should have guessed. Actually, I found out pretty quickly following links to the dating sites listed here.
I don't feel too bad since the Russian word for money is "denghi" which comes from Mongolian and would have been hard to guess.
DoctorOral
11-02-07, 00:52
She is blond, she is beautiful, great tits, BIG FUCKING attitude - RP regular, smoking hot, use her, abuse her *[Telephone Number deleted by Admin]
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Herpes? :)
Just kidding, great report.
15. Sometimes you also give the "unavoidable gift", so financially it is more expensive that to get some hooker you have sex with a for a couple of hours. But maybe I am a romantic fool:)), the whole part, at least believing there is tenderness and some emotions is very good...:))
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I’m just preparing a trip to Kiev (sexual purposes only!) and I found this two little jewels, somebody knows about them?
http://www.flirt.com.ua/blondinohka89/
http://www.flirt.com.ua/nika23_60/
The first one is a chubby 18teen (176/69/18, seeking for a sponsor, even if she writes differently), not a beauty at all, but must be a real pig, agreeing for everything (anal, BBBJ, photo shooting etc). As you know I prefer a pig who is a 5 rather than a 10 who is a log… somebody already knows her?
She is quite a bargain 500 USD for three days, but she made it clear that only once she can stay in the evening. So the other days she will be in my home something like 11-19… she has to go out with her boyfriend! And I will be free to go out with regulars…
The second is a pro, very similar to Mystery Tramp, skinny and blonde, named Tanya, a real pro. Nice and going for all, anal too… (+20 USD). Somebody knows her? Somebody already nailed her?
IT
The first one is a chubby 18teen (176/69/18, seeking for a sponsor, even if she writes differently), not a beauty at all, but must be a real pig, agreeing for everything (anal, BBBJ, photo shooting etc). As you know I prefer a pig who is a 5 rather than a 10 who is a log… somebody already knows her?
IT, sorry but where the **** do you read all this from her advertisement? My Russian may be rusty, but as far as I can see she expressly limits her search to guys under 25 yo and says in her text that she is not going to consider offers of a sexual nature "...although if some what to spend their time on such malarkey, well, it's their time". The only mildly controversial thing I can find about her is that her favourite historical character is Adolph Hitler. Or have I missed something?
I met the second one last year, she is nice, I don t know about anal, but she is real, funny, and I believe you will like her.
English is not so good, but enough.
The price was 300 US $ for the night.
I’m just preparing a trip to Kiev (sexual purposes only!) and I found this two little jewels, somebody knows about them?
http://www.flirt.com.ua/blondinohka89/
http://www.flirt.com.ua/nika23_60/
The first one is a chubby 18teen (176/69/18, seeking for a sponsor, even if she writes differently), not a beauty at all, but must be a real pig, agreeing for everything (anal, BBBJ, photo shooting etc). As you know I prefer a pig who is a 5 rather than a 10 who is a log… somebody already knows her?
She is quite a bargain 500 USD for three days, but she made it clear that only once she can stay in the evening. So the other days she will be in my home something like 11-19… she has to go out with her boyfriend! And I will be free to go out with regulars…
The second is a pro, very similar to Mystery Tramp, skinny and blonde, named Tanya, a real pro. Nice and going for all, anal too… (+20 USD). Somebody knows her? Somebody already nailed her?
IT
$500 for three days (limited) with a chubby ok looking Ukrainian girl?! And you think it's a deal? Umm, yeah, sure. I once paid an American college student $500 for Friday night, Saturday (all), Sunday (all). She was 5'9 125lbs 36d and a total wild girl, would do anything she was told. This was two years ago in Boston. Ironicly her parents came from Kiev. :)
Priamos, I think IT mentioned he had already chatted with her.
$500 for that girl..just stop it IT.
IT, sorry but where the **** do you read all this from her advertisement? My Russian may be rusty, but as far as I can see she expressly limits her search to guys under 25 yo and says in her text that she is not going to consider offers of a sexual nature "...although if some what to spend their time on such malarkey, well, it's their time". The only mildly controversial thing I can find about her is that her favourite historical character is Adolph Hitler. Or have I missed something?
Of course... the profile is not true...
When I was asking what she was searching for this was the answer...
Блондиночка 22 октября 2007 в 12:42
деньги
So you can imagine... Do not be to easy and do not limit your search to what the publish...
IT
$500 for three days (limited) with a chubby ok looking Ukrainian girl?! And you think it's a deal? Umm, yeah, sure. I once paid an American college student $500 for Friday night, Saturday (all), Sunday (all). She was 5'9 125lbs 36d and a total wild girl, would do anything she was told. This was two years ago in Boston. Ironicly her parents came from Kiev. :)
Priamos, I think IT mentioned he had already chatted with her.
$500 for that girl..just stop it IT.
As told several times, I'm not in search of these faboulous 10's, but of pigs! And with a couple of weeks of chatting with this 18teen she seems a real one... It's harder and harder to find them... and if you go with a pro your 500 will not last long..
IT
Of course... the profile is not true...
When I was asking what she was searching for this was the answer...
Блондиночка 22 октября 2007 в 12:42
деньги
Interesting. A semi-pro hiding behind Simonov quotations and a wisecracking wit. It's almost as if someone has written the ad for her - which, if she is pimped, is probably the case. I still don't understand the purpose of this lamely worded ad, though. Most potential clients will be deterred by her language - and older than 25 to start with. I'd have thought it's bad for business... unless of course she's afraid her mother/father/brother will read her ad and go ape.
Interesting. A semi-pro hiding behind Simonov quotations and a wisecracking wit. It's almost as if someone has written the ad for her - which, if she is pimped, is probably the case. I still don't understand the purpose of this lamely worded ad, though. Most potential clients will be deterred by her language - and older than 25 to start with. I'd have thought it's bad for business... unless of course she's afraid her mother/father/brother will read her ad and go ape.
By the way she do not go for overnights, and can't stay several evenings in row... she has to go out with her boyfriend or go home. She can just tell once or twice she got out with friend, may be found on flirt! ;)
I think I'll devatate her tight holes... she is not a beauty, of course, but see here... Of course you have to read it from the bottom...
Блондиночка 22 октября 2007 в 12:11
Hу тогда можно
Me: 22 октября 2007 в 12:10
No pain...
Me 22 октября 2007 в 12:08
No I do it slowly with a right lubricant... :)))
Блондиночка 22 октября 2007 в 12:06
больно
Me: 22 октября 2007 в 12:05
But i want anal!!
Блондиночка 22 октября 2007 в 12:04
традиционально
Me: 22 октября 2007 в 12:03
seems good... and in sex what do you like?
As told, she is a little blonde chubby pig searching for some money...Here pig's measurements: 84-77-98... 176/68 perfect for heavy duty anal sex!
IT
Street Sleuth
11-03-07, 16:22
IT,
I've been with the other girl - Tanya.
The photos are real. She is a hot little thing. A hard-core pro, too - I think, for extra fees, she'd do just about anything you wanted.
IT,
I've been with the other girl - Tanya.
The photos are real. She is a hot little thing. A hard-core pro, too - I think, for extra fees, she'd do just about anything you wanted.
Nice to know she is real...
IT
AColonizer
11-03-07, 17:01
Dear sleuth,
How much did Tanya ask for a night with her? And above all, which services is she good at?
Thank you
IT,
I've been with the other girl - Tanya.
The photos are real. She is a hot little thing. A hard-core pro, too - I think, for extra fees, she'd do just about anything you wanted.
IT,
I don't think you have read this forum recently. There was discussion about Tanya in one of the threads.
She is an old pro here. She is good at what she does, I also had the pleasure of her company about a year and a half ago.
However, she has been around for a while and she is not one of your ideal young things. You may have a good time with her but given the amount of local and visitor action she has gotten over the past several years, parts of her may now be "supersized."
IT,
I don't think you have read this forum recently. There was discussion about Tanya in one of the threads.
She is an old pro here. She is good at what she does, I also had the pleasure of her company about a year and a half ago.
However, she has been around for a while and she is not one of your ideal young things. You may have a good time with her but given the amount of local and visitor action she has gotten over the past several years, parts of her may now be "supersized."
But she is on flirt just now... so, may be she goes for good BBBJs... ;)
Doctor_Skank
11-04-07, 00:58
I’m just preparing a trip to Kiev (sexual purposes only!) and I found this two little jewels, somebody knows about them?
http://www.flirt.com.ua/blondinohka89/
http://www.flirt.com.ua/nika23_60/
The first one is a chubby 18teen (176/69/18, seeking for a sponsor, even if she writes differently), not a beauty at all, but must be a real pig, agreeing for everything (anal, BBBJ, photo shooting etc). As you know I prefer a pig who is a 5 rather than a 10 who is a log… somebody already knows her?
She is quite a bargain 500 USD for three days, but she made it clear that only once she can stay in the evening. So the other days she will be in my home something like 11-19… she has to go out with her boyfriend! And I will be free to go out with regulars…
The second is a pro, very similar to Mystery Tramp, skinny and blonde, named Tanya, a real pro. Nice and going for all, anal too… (+20 USD). Somebody knows her? Somebody already nailed her?
IT
Go for the skinny chick, the other one is fat. On the other hand, if you plan on abusing her for three days, maybe the fat one will hold out longer. You might break the skinny one. And trust me, when you break one you'll have a LOT of explaining to do.
.... You might break the skinny one. And trust me, when you break one you'll have a LOT of explaining to do.
Doc it was too funny, thanks for making me smile ! ;)
500$ for 69 kg ??? Is it a joke ???
It is a very good bargain IT if you go to buy silver, just an example, but looking for pig, pay attention to not buy...a cow LOL !
I think she does the bargain even cause if she wrote 69kg, she will be at least 72-74 kg...but ok, a teddy (big) bear very hard to break it....
However IT I vote for the skinny one ! :)
Have fun !
Doctor_Skank
11-04-07, 02:11
500$ for 69 kg ??? Is it a joke ???
I usually don't like fucking anything over 50kg... and if she is over 50kg she'd better be fucking wonder woman... voluptuous, hourglass body, mile-long legs and the whole package.
Chubby lovehandles, fat wobbly asses and cellulite are nogos on women, especially slavic women.
Do confirm that you didn't make the poor (but beautiful) girl jump from the ledge, Doc. !!!!
Go for the skinny chick, the other one is fat. On the other hand, if you plan on abusing her for three days, maybe the fat one will hold out longer. You might break the skinny one. And trust me, when you break one you'll have a LOT of explaining to do.
Usually I go for skinny ones, like the MT, but sometimes, when real horny and like heavy duty anal girls I go, let's say so, to full figured ones! Took one in Moscow in 2006, 20-21 y.o. a real cumdrinker!
I alredy had problems (she had them) with the poor Valentina in Moscow anally devastated for a whole morning... :) a lot of pain (not in the little pink hole, that is normal, but in arms, beck etc.).
Let's say taking 1 chubby out of 6-7 skinny could be interesting, but most of all my favourtite bodies are 155-160, and 53-55 kg so they have the right meat in the right places and they are soft.. specially in tits! I like them over C cup D is better.
As told several time tastes are tastes so... I prefer a chubby so so girl, but a pig, better than some that you find at RP, just making "traditional" and CBJ...
IT
IT,
I don't think you have read this forum recently. There was discussion about Tanya in one of the threads.
She is an old pro here. She is good at what she does, I also had the pleasure of her company about a year and a half ago.
However, she has been around for a while and she is not one of your ideal young things. You may have a good time with her but given the amount of local and visitor action she has gotten over the past several years, parts of her may now be "supersized."
I have been travelling and working a lot... thanks in any case for the answer Uke Boy, I think I'll take her for a try in any case... It might be that i save on lubricant costs! :D
By the way how is her on BBBJ?
IT
Doc it was too funny, thanks for making me smile ! ;)
500$ for 69 kg ??? Is it a joke ???
It is a very good bargain IT if you go to buy silver, just an example, but looking for pig, pay attention to not buy...a cow LOL !
I think she does the bargain even cause if she wrote 69kg, she will be at least 72-74 kg...but ok, a teddy (big) bear very hard to break it....
However IT I vote for the skinny one ! :)
Have fun !
In any case Lukasek I'll take both :D so I make no misstakes, yes the chubby will be hard to break... but she is intende for heavy anal work... the skinny, on ground she has so little meat will be well feeded with fresh protein :D
IT
Doctor_Skank
11-04-07, 14:39
Do confirm that you didn't make the poor (but beautiful) girl jump from the ledge, Doc. !!!!
No, but I punished her... in a nice way. :)
Thanks, Doc., that is a relief. :)
No, but I punished her... in a nice way. :)
Europe Hunter
11-04-07, 20:07
Hi friends,
I was wondering if there is street prostitution in Kiev? If yes, which are the areas to go for? How is the price and service level? Would be great, if anyone can help.
Best Regards
Europe Hunter
I usually don't like fucking anything over 50kg... and if she is over 50kg she'd better be fucking wonder woman... voluptuous, hourglass body, mile-long legs and the whole package.
Chubby lovehandles, fat wobbly asses and cellulite are nogos on women, especially slavic women.
Normally I really appreciate your taste in women. And jealous as fuck of your ability to pull a nmberless no of skinny skanks. But this one? Man you can't even see her rib cage;.) ripple
IT
With Tanya and with the pros here I always go with CBJ. It is safer and far wiser given all the possible problems that could develop.
In the amateur field, I am more flexible and generally go for the BBBJ.
However, my hunting is not at all like yours on flirt and other sites where the objects of your lust can also be a hardcore pro in disguise. I can actually meet local "nice" girls who are not even semi-pros so BBBJ is just fine.
Doctor_Skank
11-04-07, 22:14
Normally I really appreciate your taste in women. And jealous as fuck of your ability to pull a nmberless no of skinny skanks. But this one? Man you can't even see her rib cage;.) ripple
Yeah, she is kind of a fattie.. :) Maybe it was all the beer we drank. But she has a nice ass... and she shaved her pussy completely bare. I love it when you go on a first date with a chick and she's hesitant and says she doesn't "do such things" on a first date and then you get her to, you take off her panties only to discover she's smoothly shaven completely bare.
Proves once again that when she left the house, she wasn't thinking "no way in hell am I going to let him fuck me tonight" but rather "I might just fuck this guy tonight, so I'd better shave my pussy."
Persistence pays off time and again.
Pretty tired by now, I arranged through Inna for Nikie to come to me for a couple of hours to include anal. Pretty 22 year old blond who charges $120 for 2 hours. She speaks some English and enjoys her sex a lot.Tanya AKA Nikie is by now a seasoned pro. This is my report from the middle of last May 2006. I met her last week in 1 of the clubs and we exchanged some sms's, funnily I still had her number. For IT's purposes she's probably just what he's looking for.
IL
I have sponsored several girls throughout the 6 years that I travelled regularly to Ukraine, both in Kiev and in Odessa. Thanks for the detailed report. I expect to be in the Ukraine for 3-6 months and, at this point, I intend to try sponsoring.
...let me disagree with you...it is not skinny ass, it is wonderful ass, the kind I could almost pay every price ;)
Great pic !
Bullshit!
I live here, but never saw 50 teenagers together. Only with a teacher ;)
Some time ago "skeanheads" attacked jewish church in Kiev. So cops and spetial forces didn't sleep two days, but catch them all! If something happens with citizen of US in the middle of Kiev, some police generals and colonels can have a really big troubles, and they know it.
But after football match Kiev can be a dangerous place (so why I hate this game). And not only for black people. But cops works ok, in any situation...Didn't see many blacks on my tour. No thing crazy. Everyone waas great. To me they are peaceful people. Treated me like a million bucks. Hats off the the Ukrainians.
LifeSavour
11-06-07, 18:27
. And she shaved her pussy completely bare. I love it when you go on a first date with a chick. Off her panties only to discover she's smoothly shaven completely bare.
Proves once again that when she left the house, she wasn't thinking "no way in hell am I going to let him fuck me tonight" but rather "I might just fuck this guy tonight, so I'd better shave my pussy. "After 7 years here in Kiev. Living with a few, fucking more. And even knowing (intimate details) about 14, 15, 16 year old daughters.
F##k, they all shave! (or at least trim).
2% at most don't!
Doctor_Skank
11-07-07, 00:47
After 7 years here in Kiev. Living with a few, fucking more. And even knowing (intimate details) about 14, 15, 16 year old daughters.
F##k, they all shave! (or at least trim).
2% at most don't!
Yeah, I know most of them shave in different variations of "the landing strip", the "v", the completely bare and some with that ridiculously appealing mini tuft of almost nothing... but my point was another. When they are freshly shaved, as in just before the date, it suggests to me that they were shaving in preparation of what might happen... I just like the idea that even though they say they never would do it on a first date, they leave the door knowing they just might... :)
Or maybe I just think too much... :)
Doctor_Skank
11-07-07, 01:17
...let me disagree with you...it is not skinny ass, it is wonderful ass, the kind I could almost pay every price ;)
Great pic !
Well you know I love the skinny ones, but every once in a while I like the shapely big-titted ones.
What non skanks are you guys dating?
90% of all the girls I ever fucked were shaved.
Bez Bezarra
11-07-07, 03:46
Well, once in a while I like the shapely big-titted ones.
For those aforementioned times when one desires Skanky shapeliness and some mega-melons, please see below.
Here's my little going away present from Ksusha, police academy cadet in-training for interrogation techniques. Since waterboarding is verboten, motorboating das commense in the midnight hour.
After 2 solid weeks of developing new contacts, my old 2006 sim card mobile rang at 11 pm, on my last night in town after my driver and I had visited no less than 4 bordellos, where each mamachka that answered the phone bragged that her girls were young and very kraseyvya & hoodinka spakoyny. Each place, as we crossed the city back and forth, had some very below average 22 to 26 year old sub-acceptable candidates, that I just could not lower my standards down to, in a state of un-drunkenness, and especially not so for my final night? No, that is just not done.
Fuggly ho's of every size, shape, and hair color, including one semi-midget blondinka, and one 6 foot 10 inch mongoloid-looking behemoth creature-ette that I told I would come back for and fuck her when I was ready to pick up a basketball match and needed someone on my team to dunk.
Anyway, there is Ksusha calling me, I mst have tried calling her about 10 days earlier, and had told her, without really being able to exactly remember who the hell she was, that I'd get around to calling her again when I wasn't busy. I guess I stayed busy so long, I never did call her, but like a sort of imperfect ending to a wild and crazy story, she's calling me now that I'm packing my suitcase, having given up for my last night and almost in relief, resigned myself to one actual real night of more than 2 hours sleep. I told told her to grab a taxi and come over, and she said, without a moment's hesitation, ok! So I guess she must recall who the hell I was. Gave her my address, 20 minutes later, this is what shows up at the door.
Not bad really, especially for not even being sure which dyev she actualy was, basically having forgotten any intimacies we'd had together, and for all I know, could have even been from 2005. Who can possibly keep this stuff straight from year to year, eh? :p
Rubber Nursey
11-07-07, 06:28
Proves once again that when she left the house, she wasn't thinking "no way in hell am I going to let him fuck me tonight" but rather "I might just fuck this guy tonight, so I'd better shave my pussy."
Excellent observation, Doc. You're sooo right. If you're wearing jeans or stockings and going out with no intention of sleeping with someone, it's easy to think "I won't bother shaving - nobody's gonna be seeing it". But if there's even the slightest chance that someone might be gonna see you naked, you make double sure that everything is smooth and sexy.
Freshly shaved pink bits are a sure sign that your (non-pro) gal was planning on showing you her wares at some point during the night.
Listen to the master, boys. The Doc knows what he's talking about. ;)
Doctor_Skank
11-07-07, 20:26
Listen to the master, boys. The Doc knows what he's talking about. ;)
You're too kind RN. Imagine me blushing.. :)
Doctor_Skank
11-07-07, 20:29
Who can possibly keep this stuff straight from year to year, eh? :p
Take notes, take pictures and most of all, write about it on ISG. It's really the only way. Either that or tattoos.
Bez Bezarra
11-08-07, 13:40
post all about it on ISG.
It's really the way.
For those of you who do not subscribe to this philosophy, you are ALL lost. This IS the way to make ISG a true window on the world of pussy, and set it apart from all the other useless bullshit out there. For those of you out there that aren't bringing your experiences out in the open to share here with your brothers, well, you're not really part of this brotherhood, you're just another poser, and we all know who you are.
More leisure activities.
Doctor_Skank
11-08-07, 23:00
For those of you who do not subscribe to this philosophy, you are ALL lost. This IS the way to make ISG a true window on the world of pussy, and set it apart from all the other useless bullshit out there. For those of you out there that aren't bringing your experiences out in the open to share here with your brothers, well, you're not really part of this brotherhood, you're just another poser, and we all know who you are.
All must listen to Bez.
Post your experiences... good, bad...whatever. It's all good for the Cause.
DJ FourMoney
11-09-07, 00:09
I couldn't have gone into Kiev without the knowledge shared on this forum. I didn't have to ask where to go, I knew were to go!
When I was in a unfamiliar part of town about 8 miles from city center I didn't panic! I called a taxi service, found a dispatcher that spoke English and I soon found myself hangin with Telos@112. I caught the eye of a young Ukrainian girl and she smiled. But she played the "shy" bit and I wanted to meet Telos, that gives you a small window to how many attractive women were in Kiev, you can toss them back and find better if you put in the effort.
I cannot share any pictures because I am not a picture taking fool to be confused with the stereotyping of Asians with Cameras you see on vacation anywhere in the world. I took some pictures but none you would be interested in.
Doc, I couldn't have done it without you.
Bez, your funnier than shiet but man you need to invest in a better camera.
That grainy looking shiet won't get you can prizes from National Geographic, but I can not fault you on the subject matter of your pictures, so keep on snappin homie.
Doctor_Skank
11-09-07, 01:10
I couldn't have gone into Kiev without the knowledge shared on this forum. I didn't have to ask where to go, I knew were to go!
That's what it's all about. If you've got info, a story... post it. It will be valuable to somebody.
We've had mention of a number of dating web sites as a place to line up contacts before a trip. I have not been to the Ukraine mongering, but I can make this summary report based on online research:
Flirt.com. Ua.- has been mentioned by many here. Certainly a large selection. There is a floating question of how to use the pay features if you can't charge it to your UA SMS. You can use Webmoney, but that site is in Russian too and I have not seen an English explanation on how to make it work.
Love. I. Ua.- does not seem to be as big as Flirt or singles. Ru, but it has been big advantages for newbies. First, you can configure the interface in English so you don't need a dictionary to figure out "sex for 1-2 times. " Second, the extended search function is free (unlike Flirt above) so you can use criteria like "I want to find a sponsor" without charge. Important Note: You can ONLY select the English version when you first fill out your profile, so pay attention to the drop down choices. Your choices at that point will be Russian, Ukrainian, English and Albanian! I hope you know the Russian alphabet well enough to choose correctly.
Singles. Ru.- another very large site. Entirely in Russia which slows some of us down. (After two months of classes at the community college level, I still have to struggle). Extended search allows "sex for 1-2 nights, " "Seeking a sponsor" "Group sex" and other interesting criteria; but, as with Flirt above, it also requires payment via WebMoney, which is in Russian. (Search this forum for a discussion of how to pay via SMS if you have a UA SIM card).
Dating. Meta. Ua.- Seems reasonably big, but has not been discussed in this forum. The extended search function is free: you can spot the relatively small number of girls asking for sponsors ("? "). It's all in Russian. There's a detailed section on sexual preferences and some girls check the boxes for how many times a day, and whether they like leather or latex, but again, these fine distinctions are revealed only with a dictionary. 2gether.com. Ua.- might be a good place for newbies to start because you can switch back and forth between the English and Russian interface. A good way to learn the basic terminology without tedious reliance on the dictionary. A big disappointment: after you switch to English and hit the link for "Help" the FAQ comes up entirely in Russian. Seems to be a much smaller datebase, and much more orientated to dating than mongering. You get 600 credits free and you can use them over 60 days before you have to pay. I have not yet figured out how you pay and whether it has the same problems as Flirt with SMS and WebMoney.
Thelovetour. Ru.- Seems to have a very small number of profiles. Some of the pro's put listing on this site and give you a disguised URL to put in your browser. Looks like TheLoveTour is the same database as singles. Ru. The "extended search" is really primitive: just the country and city with the choices of Single/Married/Divorced. I have not figured out the payment function and I don't know that it's worth the time to figure out.- unless someone else highly recommends this site.
There are sites, and some might be interesting, but I will wait for someone to recommend a site before trying to figure it out. By then, my Russian should improve as well.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Moliere, most of the Ukrainian/Russian dating sites use the same database. Singles.ru, mamba and flirt are all one in the same.
All the Russian I understand is from what I learned traveling to the Ukraine. Between that, online translators and a deep understanding of websites I have no problem using flirt.com.ua .
On the other hand I like to refer to flirt.com.ua as flake.com.ua . You have to use a lot of bandwidth before you find a girl who actually meets you - p4p exluded.
Hey Doc, in those last pics is that girl sporting implants?
Doctor_Skank
11-10-07, 13:17
Hey Doc, in those last pics is that girl sporting implants?
Nope, all floppy, all natural.
DJ FourMoney
11-10-07, 15:16
Moliere, most of the Ukrainian/Russian dating sites use the same database. Singles.ru, mamba and flirt are all one in the same.
All the Russian I understand is from what I learned traveling to the Ukraine. Between that, online translators and a deep understanding of websites I have no problem using flirt.com.ua .
On the other hand I like to refer to flirt.com.ua as flake.com.ua . You have to use a lot of bandwidth before you find a girl who actually meets you - p4p exluded.
Hey Doc, in those last pics is that girl sporting implants?
Some sites do use the same database...
Bride.ru has some nice looking girls until you get to the free gallery. Sure you can get their address for free, but would you want it?
You can find better looking women in whatever country you come from, really.
Now if I could only pull the kinda girls the Doctor pulls...
I found this site useful - http://www.no1reviews.com/Mail-Order-Brides.html
Hi all,
In Kiev mid-December, what is the good hotel to stay in with included bar/club with P4P?
Thanks
Explorer69
11-11-07, 15:05
Hi all,
In Kiev mid-December, what is the good hotel to stay in with included bar/club with P4P?
ThanksYou will get the info from reading the threads. Your best bet is hotels with strip clubs inside (Dnepr has Millenium but it costs USD 500!). Then there are strip clubs in either Presidente or premier Palace - I was never there so I am not certain which one - but read the threads here! However, I think those girls are even more expensive! Unless you are on a company account, it is far better to have a luxury apartment for half price and pick girls from other places.
Bez Bezarra
11-12-07, 01:42
You go to strip clubs it costs USD 500.
The best option but I think the girls are even more expensive!
Use a company account, its far better a luxury for a price and pick girls from the places.
I mean, other than the official government accounts ;)that everyone knows are needed to do "business":D, that is, when some government wants or needs something:(, and the agreed upon arrangements include paying for prostitutes:), which is of course illegal, but of course this is government business, so of course, then the laws don't need to be followed, of course:p.
You will get the info from reading the threads. Your best bet is hotels with strip clubs inside (Dnepr has Millenium but it costs USD 500!). Then there are strip clubs in either Presidente or premier Palace - I was never there so I am not certain which one - but read the threads here! However, I think those girls are even more expensive! Unless you are on a company account, it is far better to have a luxury apartment for half price and pick girls from other places.Yes I will be on company account so the price of the hotel room is not really an option.
My idea is to book on internet an hotel where - like in Russia - you find those inside bars (not necessariliy strip clubs) packed with P4P and bring one up in your room for 100 usd. Do you have the same in Kiev ?
If I was on the company dime and wanted to stay at a good hotel I would stay at one of the western ones - the radisson or hyatt - not sure if they have lobby girls or not.
The only hotel that has very hot lobby girls is the Premier Palace - but they are extremely expensive. River Palace is only a short ten minute ride from downtown. You won't find any good lobby girls unless you stay at the PP and are willing to pay through the nose for it go to RP instead.
You will get the info from reading the threads. Your best bet is hotels with strip clubs inside (Dnepr has Millenium but it costs USD 500!). Then there are strip clubs in either Presidente or premier Palace - I was never there so I am not certain which one - but read the threads here! However, I think those girls are even more expensive! Unless you are on a company account, it is far better to have a luxury apartment for half price and pick girls from other places.
Presidente has a stable of around 8 girls. Two of them are quite attractive. The general rate was $150 for 2 hours a year ago.
Having not been to Kiev since the summer and spending many hours chasing girls in Donetsk, I found myself in Kiev for the week.
I took myself Monday night to RP I arrive very early 9.30ish as I could not be bothered going all around town after a hard days work.
I went to the bar and sat at one of the island tables in the middle to watch the talent arrive. Almost at the strike of 10.30 they started to arrive, and I am never not astounded by this place, the next one better than the last.
So after way too many beers to be in the land of the sharks that is the river palace I ventured upstairs into the shark pool.
I parked myself at the bar and decided it is a great place to stand and interview, the opening gambit seems to be $400 in the summer I only remember the really good lookers opening with that but perhaps my memory is getting bad.
Anyway after a couple of hours interviewing and turing my nose up to some real darlings, a petite girl kept coming back she was sort of up my street and she open-ended with the $400 and next time came down to $300 and next to $250, anyway next time she came over I just said look you can come home with me and I will pay the taxi and no more, and she agreed!
So off we went home and she stayed the night till 10am and she did not even hit me up for any money again! Yes you are reading right a freebie from RP.
Tuesday night I was out with clients and was home by 12pm but at 2am I called the RP girl again and she was in the RP and offered to catch a cab to stay with me again, and no mention this time of even the cab fare, and who was I to turn down such an offer, and she came to me again and stayed the night. Was she good? Yes worth the money? For sure!
Wedsday night I was with customers and we ventured into Arena bar to watch the football (Manchester United), I have been here a few times with friends but have never ventured into it as a single man, it was as bad as RP not as many but virtually all the girls where working there, my customers thought it was great and one took a girl home for $150 for the night, I met some strange girl who said she only offered a massage for 50 euro I thought she was lying took her home and guess what? Yep she only did a massage. And went home.
After seeing how my customers enjoyed the Ukrainian women I decided to take them to RP on Thursday.
We had a meal down the road in a restraunt on a boat and ventured to RP around midnight, the place was jumping, the number of women was down on Monday but very high in standard my visitors where astounded at the place, and who should come walking up to me but my freebie from Monday and Tuesday, I thought here we go again and she came up slapped me on the face and told me that If I wanted a girl I should have called her and not come looking for a girl here! WTF I thought and let her walk.
A week gone in Kiev, I hope to return soon as the mongering pace there is so much faster and better the Donetsk.
River Palace (n°1) and President are now on my list!
More feed backs?
Q, your report is almost unbelievable but hey stranger things do happen. From reading you report I would assume that is a week you spent in Kiev 3-4 years ago and you are just getting around to writing about it.
BTW - the reason why RP is good on Monday night is because few clubs are open in Kiev that night.
Bez Bezarra
11-13-07, 13:20
I assume that is Kiev 3-4 years ago.
You didn't say why.
Some other stuff:
Gentleman Travel
11-13-07, 19:59
Yes I will be on company account so the price of the hotel room is not really an option.
My idea is to book on internet an hotel where - like in Russia - you find those inside bars (not necessariliy strip clubs) packed with P4P and bring one up in your room for 100 usd. Do you have the same in Kiev ?
My only experience like this was at the Hotel Mir (2.5 years ago), where they had 5 or 6 lobby girls (there was also a small strip club) and I took one of the less-bad-looking girls, dolled up in a white leather mini-skirt and boots, for $100. She looked better with her clothes on. It was my first EE experience, so I did not have any price comparisons and maybe I could have bargained better.
My point is that Hotel Mir is a dive and not some place you would want to stay if you are on company expenses and price is no object. But even there the lobby girls were over-priced for what I was getting. So if you are at a posh hotel the price structure is likely to be somewhat higher -but then hopefully the quality would be also.
Q, your report is almost unbelievable but hey stranger things do happen. From reading you report I would assume that is a week you spent in Kiev 3-4 years ago and you are just getting around to writing about it.
BTW - the reason why RP is good on Monday night is because few clubs are open in Kiev that night.
No last week! honest! I could not believe it also!
Some friends are coming to Kiev and they are into the sauna thing. I would like arrange a few hours of debauchery in a sauna. Can anybody recommend a decent sauna which orders girls for you or at least allows the customers bring girls with? Thanks!
Finally, a WG who provides exactly and fully what is on her discussed and agreed menu, no more and no less. :-))))
I would ask QJump where do you find them? But you answered that in your post. Priceless (well at least Euro 50 worth) and thanks for sharing.
t, I met some strange girl who said she only offered a massage for 50 euro I thought she was lying took her home and guess what? Yep she only did a massage. And went home.
Bez Bezarra
11-14-07, 13:42
Finally, a WG who provides exactly what is discussed and agreed, no more and no less.
I would ask where do you find them? But you answered that.
Priceless and thanks for sharing.
I guess you must be experiencing something unusual, since every agency WG provides exactly what is agreed on, which is the basic one-pop covered minuet and sex for the hourly rate, with the agency calling her mobile after about 45 minutes to notify that your one hour time is up.
That's not to say that something extra might be available if you ask for it or offer additional payment. But its usually not offered, YOU have to make the inquiry for extras and then a negotiation takes place, and it is usually not anything outrageous. I could just be spoiled by the lower provincial price structure system, that I tend to avoid Kiev pro's and their inflated/greedy demands. On the other hand, when dealing with amateurs, they can tend to be more likely to make some outrageous demands if you want something above and beyond whatever basic fun that may have been originally agreed upon.
What you passed right over, that Q-chump never even mentioned, was whether or not he tried to offer the massage pick-up dyev anything else. All he said was that she just gave him massage for $50 and then she left. He never said if he offered her any more payment, or whether she was hot looking, he only described her as "strange". So your "finally!" exasperation is based on a story that leaves out that critical detail.
Asking where to find massages with set pricing is also pretty obvious, this service is not difficult to locate.
Priceless??
Priceless indeed. Im guessing the Dyev kicked you out of the bed on the wrong side this morning ?
It was mean't from the whooshing sounds to be ironic and with humor.
You are usually pretty sharp on the uptake, but your antennae must have got bent during the night. Not to worry we all have bad days. Up and at 'em and Enjoy.
I made plans to be in Kiev next week but I am now worried the weather put a dent on a nightlife and otherwise cheerful Kiev ladies, should I postpone? Thank you
Explorer69
11-15-07, 10:19
I made plans to be in Kiev next week but I am now worried the weather put a dent on a nightlife and otherwise cheerful Kiev ladies, should I postpone? Thank youNightlife in Kiev is not very much dependent on weather, so all options are still open - unless there is extreme cold or rain. But you loose the eye candy on the street from a hot summer day:).
Here is a list of Sauna's in Kiev:
http://laznya.kiev.ua/#top
The prices are per hour unless mentioned different. There is mostly a minimum of 2 hours and in the evening it is more expensive.
For the price you hire the whole sauna and you can bring whoever you want. Most sauna's are for maximum 6 to 8 persons.
If it is a standard sauna you will get for the price the Sauna, a pool with cold water, a relax room with a bed, showers, towels and for drinks tea and cold water. Alcoholic dinks are charged extra.
If it is a more exclusive sauna you will also get a Jacuzzi or a pool with hot water in addition.
If you want to go to a sauna you need to make a reservation. For the more exclusive ones, it must be at least 2 days on beforehand, because they are mostly occupied.
I know there are some sauna’s offering girls to join you. Of course you have to pay for the girls per hour or so.
Have fun.
The weather does not matter. Even if it is cold the clubs are crowded during weekends and the nightlife throughout the week is the same as usual. . But if there is a cold wind and it is snowing, there is no need to walk on Kreshatik during daytime to see some nice ladies.
Bez Bezarra
11-15-07, 12:53
Im guessing the Dyev kicked you out of bed on the wrong side this morning ?
It was mean't from the whooshing sounds to be ironic and with humor.
You are usually pretty sharp on the uptake, but your antennae must have got bent during the night. Not to worry we all have bad days.
Thanks Eggs,
The whoosh sound was also your sarcasm going right over my head. I think Olga has kicked me on to the wrong side of the week, and wrapped my nuts around my humor antennae.
Jeez, thanks for straightening me out.
I guess you must be experiencing something unusual, since every agency WG provides exactly what is agreed on, which is the basic one-pop covered minuet and sex for the hourly rate, with the agency calling her mobile after about 45 minutes to notify that your one hour time is up.
That's not to say that something extra might be available if you ask for it or offer additional payment. But its usually not offered, YOU have to make the inquiry for extras and then a negotiation takes place, and it is usually not anything outrageous. I could just be spoiled by the lower provincial price structure system, that I tend to avoid Kiev pro's and their inflated/greedy demands. On the other hand, when dealing with amateurs, they can tend to be more likely to make some outrageous demands if you want something above and beyond whatever basic fun that may have been originally agreed upon.
What you passed right over, that Q-chump never even mentioned, was whether or not he tried to offer the massage pick-up dyev anything else. All he said was that she just gave him massage for $50 and then she left. He never said if he offered her any more payment, or whether she was hot looking, he only described her as "strange". So your "finally!" exasperation is based on a story that leaves out that critical detail.
Asking where to find massages with set pricing is also pretty obvious, this service is not difficult to locate.
Priceless??
What I have to tell you line by line?
Perhaps we are not all as professional a monger as you, but please fill in the lines yourself?
Hot she was, strange as in the way she was.
DoctorOral
11-15-07, 15:28
I made plans to be in Kiev next week but I am now worried the weather put a dent on a nightlife and otherwise cheerful Kiev ladies, should I postpone? Thank youYou are right. If I were you, I would skip Ukraine from mid August until March. And save paradise for the rest of us.
Thank you for being so considerate and respectful. We love you, too!
I agree with Sean. Winter is not a good period to travel to Ukraine. Girls are most of the time ill or just do not want to get out in the cold. It is impossible to pick up chicks on the street under the rain and snow.
I was once in November and it was so cold I got ill and almost could not stay on the street for more than half an hour without getting back to hotel to warm myself.
You are right. If I were you, I would skip Ukraine from mid August until March. And save paradise for the rest of us.
Thank you for being so considerate and respectful. We love you, too!
LOL I guess I am going to freeze my balls in the paradise with the rest of you then.
It is when she is on the wrong week of the month that is most ehmmm, dampening, I'm sure that you will agree, Bezer.
Nothing to do then but fall back on good old oral communication or there is always the muddy road to heaven. As you like it.
Enjoy.
Thanks Eggs,
The whoosh sound was also your sarcasm going right over my head. I think Olga has kicked me on to the wrong side of the week, and wrapped my nuts around my humor antennae.
Jeez, thanks for straightening me out.
Orange Leo
11-17-07, 11:54
Why can you have a hour in Warsaw for the price of 200 zl and in Kiev the agency ask 200 Euro for the same Ukraine girl?
Hello guys,
Any feed-back on this:
http://www.kievprivat.com/
http://www.kievsex.ru/girls_en.html
rip-off or good value for money?
Thanks
LifeSavour
11-18-07, 13:34
Train to Odessa. 210 Grivna
Apartment. $40
Marchutka to Moldovian border. 12 grivna
Border guard. $50 (new 90 day visa period)
Doing bizz'ness in Ukraine. Priceless!
Ls guy
EvilZ had a really good breakdown on all the escorts in Kiev, and here it is: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=655282&postcount=162
Hello guys,
Any feed-back on this:
http://www.kievprivat.com/
http://www.kievsex.ru/girls_en.html
rip-off or good value for money?
Thanks
I went to River Palace on Monday Nov 26 and it had a busfull of Italians that night, all sitting in the middle section of the club, the ratio had to be 5 men to 1 woman, and two guys I came with who have been there before said this was the worst night because the ratio is usually the opposite. Needless to say I didn't even ask the prices, but my acquaintance told me it would be at least 300 that night, needless to say I didn't even ask. The quality that night was ok, but just ok compared the beauty you see on the streets and other clubs. Oh I was also told they ask for your money upfront, a big no no for me. I don't have any p4p experience in Ukraine so not sure if that was one person's experience or the norm there.
Explorer69
11-29-07, 09:19
I arrived Kiev in the afternoon and waited for my date to arrive, a 19-year old I had met on the internet, she came by bus from another city. A very sweet girl arrived, we talked and had dinner, she was a bit shy and was definitely more village girl than the more experienced Kiev girls. She also told me that she would not sleep with me the first night, and after a bit lame attempts on my side to make her change her mind, I agreed that she slept on the couch while I was in the big bed in the bedroom:)). I was quite relaxed with this, after all I came to Kiev from a 3-day encounter with a sexy girl who had given me sex 3 times a day:)).
The next day we were around a little sightseeing. During coffee in a cafe my mood went down when she told me that she never wanted sex every day, usually not more than 1-2 times a week when she had had a boyfriend half a year ago. My God, what kind of girl did I meet?? However, back in the apartment at 3 pm we went straight to the bedroom, and it was repeated/continuous sex (more or less) and wine drinking till 9 when she left for her home town by bus.
Now I was mostly interested in having a rest and going to sleep. However, I knew that Kiev1 and Bunnyturd were sitting eating in the downstairs bar in RP and I had an appointment with them. So I went there to have a drink. Later we went upstairs, I was not really in the mood for more sex. This was a Saturday night and it was surprisingly slow with girls – although the quality was good, the girls were outnumbered by guys. Not a climate for bargaining. Two hot girls told me they always went together: 300 for 1 hour, 600 for 2 hours, and then 300 for each subsequent hours. This is a lot! It was clear that all girls started at 300, and it was for 1 hour! A few quoted 300 for 2 hours!. And I was not in the mood, thinking several times to go home? To go from RP without a girl? Yes, I was seriously thinking so – I wanted to sleep! But I enjoyed observing the scene and speak with the mates.
Close to 2 am when I was practically on my way to go, I went straight onto this tall, blond, model-like girl hat I more or less attacked:)): she was quite outstanding in her looks! Blond, 20 years, slim, 179 cm with a fantastic body – if you like tall, slim ones! We decided to talk a little (she had reasonable English) and she took me into the casino, where there was like a small restaurant: a very quiet place to sit down. I had never seen this before, but it was a good place to get away for a talk.
To make a long story short: she came with me. And we clicked! We had great sex, she loved my DATY:)), and she gave me maybe the best oral of my life. And we spent the following 2 days and night together all the time: total of 3 nights and 2 days with a cost of USD 1500 pluss a couple of good dinners. It was a total GFE, but a GF who was totally into wild, high-quality sex! And she was smart, smiling and funny – what more can a man look for?
Expensive? Yes! Worth it? Absolutely!! If I had been living in Kiev, I would go a long way to stay with this girl! Some of you may think I am an idiot who spend this money. But GiA takes close to 500 per night! 3 nights in RP will set you back 900 for encounters lasting maybe 2 hours each! And this model-like girl usually charges 300 for 1 hour, 450 for two, all night maybe 800. In reality I got a very good deal - I had a fantastic girl for almost 3 days and willing to do great sex whenever I wanted it - and she sometimes initiated it herself! And it is very funny to think that this happened on the night where I seriously considered to leave RP without a girl! Sometimes one is just into luck!
Final comments:
My girl had been going to RP only the last 3 months. She is a student and she had for one year been the girlfriend of one of the young, new-Ukrainians who spent maybe USD 10000 per month on her!!! And when they finished she was so used to a better standard that she now had to go occasionally to RP!
She told me girls easily make 6-800 dollars a night in RP – either for multiple hours or they do one customer early during night and come back for a second! My feeling is also that RP is now more a sellers market, and I suspect that a lot of girls give a rather mechanical service – I felt there were some hard, very business-like attitudes?. My girl also told me that we get what we pay for: less money will often get us less enthusiastic service. Furthermore, the girls get pissed off by too much bargaining – and even if they agree in the end, this may give you worse service. However, even when we pay the full price, we have no guarantee that we get good service at all! As Caucasians we may have an advantage, there was a lot of Turks/Arabs in RP this particular night and it was clear that the girls prefer to keep away from them. Because of racist attitudes or bad experiences - maybe both? In the end of the day it depends on the chemistry you develop with the girls – and maybe also that their milage is not to long?
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I went to River Palace on Monday Nov 26 and it had a busfull of Italians that night, all sitting in the middle section of the club, the ratio had to be 5 men to 1 woman, and two guys I came with who have been there before said this was the worst night because the ratio is usually the opposite. Needless to say I didn't even ask the prices, but my acquaintance told me it would be at least 300 that night, needless to say I didn't even ask. The quality that night was ok, but just ok compared the beauty you see on the streets and other clubs. Oh I was also told they ask for your money upfront, a big no no for me. I don't have any p4p experience in Ukraine so not sure if that was one person's experience or the norm there.Yes it was a bad night for p4p in river palace that night,so many italians in town for the big football match with Dynamo Kiev! This is my fourth visit to Kiev and that must be the only time i've seen so many guys outnumber the girls.Thankfully things had gotten a little better on tuesday evening as most italians had made there way to the airport after the match,but not before some of them caused some trouble in the club and were kicked out.
Most girls reluctant to lower there prices much nowadays it seems 300 dollars is the way most of these girls keep going for.
I had one girl on Monday evening who was quite hot looking surprisingly did lower her price to 200 dollars for 2 hours,but then the following night i met this gorgeous girl wearing these tight little black shorts,but once more i got the 300 dollar opening line but after a small time she dropped down to 250,but since i have only paid once before 300 i would not budge from 200,so it got to the end of the night and no one would meet her price so once more i tried at 200,but no she would not lower herself so she walked away with no one to her taxi and i got the metro home for 50 kopecks.
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I find 1500$ for one girl for two days a lot of money to pay.I doubt that the girls in RP make so easily 600-800$ every night.I think she told you it to make you spend for her a kind of compensation for what she would make if she stayed two nights in RP instead of you.
It also seems to me strange that the village girl left you so easily in Kiev where she knew what you were going to do.
Anyway it is the result what matters and we have to recognize Ukraina still rewards.
You guys are paying way too much for Kiev - you can stay in any Western city and get a girl for 2-3 days for $1500.
Paying $200-300/hr? I can pick up my phone in Boston, NYC or Miami and get a hot Ukrainian or Russian girl for that. In Kiev? Just stop it.
I don't know which is worst, the cheap sexpats looking to scam the girls for sex or the sexpats throwing money at the girls.
Reiner Otto
11-30-07, 00:49
Last time in Nikolaev I paid 50$/hour. Not for a real model, but a good looking blond, 22 years.
And she really knew her profession.
So I will prefere to stay in the "countryside" like Nikolaev and Cherson.
These girls might be able to make $400 a month for a honest job, don't spoil them, or ruin it for the rest of us!
You guys are paying way too much for Kiev - you can stay in any Western city and get a girl for 2-3 days for $1500.
Paying $200-300/hr? I can pick up my phone in Boston, NYC or Miami and get a hot Ukrainian or Russian girl for that. In Kiev? Just stop it.
I don't know which is worst, the cheap sexpats looking to scam the girls for sex or the sexpats throwing money at the girls.
$300 for RP girl for one hour, even the whole night, crazy!
Bez Bezarra
11-30-07, 03:11
Pay $200-300/hr?
I pick up my phone in Miami and get a hot Russian girl.
If its not tooooo much trouble, howz 'bout throwing us SoFla dogs a bone?
Not saying we couldn't pick up OUR phones, and if we really searched calling ALL agnecies, we could find a russki pro, like 34 years with some runts and a pretty arrogant bedside manor, or even the chance she might be friendly.....
But HOT? and Russian Hot? No, that's not just a simple "pick up & call" move, so......what's the deal?
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Explorer69
11-30-07, 07:59
You guys are paying way too much for Kiev - you can stay in any Western city and get a girl for 2-3 days for $1500.
Paying $200-300/hr? I can pick up my phone in Boston, NYC or Miami and get a hot Ukrainian or Russian girl for that. In Kiev? Just stop it.
I don't know which is worst, the cheap sexpats looking to scam the girls for sex or the sexpats throwing money at the girls.The point is that Kiev is not any more a cheap city for girls. You can get the occasional good deals from semipros etc. who just want a little sponsoring for their studies etc. You can get cheaper sex from some of the websites, but it is really a hit and miss. RP is now 300 for 1 hour for the majority of girls - some will say 300 for 2 hours. This is the going price. You can like it or not, you can stay till 3 am and try to get a lower price, but you have no guarantee: read what Kiev1 just wrote. Furthermore, at this late hour the girls are pissed because of bargaining and you both are more tired, maybe the sex is less fun? And you just cut from 300 till 250...
My point is that for the cheap sex for 2 hours: don't go to RP - even though you may be lucky:). Now I had a 9 for the most incredible sex for 2 days and 3 nights for 1500 - if you go to RP 3 nights in a row, you would pay that for 3-4 hours each of these 3 nights? We are all different, but I enjoy such a GFE relationship far more than fucking 3 different girls during 3 nights. Also, if you click with the girl, the rewards are so big!
By the way, I would like to know the Western city where you get a top girl for USD 1500 for 2-3 days?
Explorer69
11-30-07, 08:04
These girls might be able to make $400 a month for a honest job, don't spoil them, or ruin it for the rest of us!The reason they go to RP is that they make 400 on an "honest job". Some of them support themselves through studies by going to RP 3 times a month, some go there 3 times a week because they want to buy a fur coat or a car:)
AColonizer
11-30-07, 11:36
Hi everybody,
I am in kiev again, I am reading a lot of things that I have already written, yes freebies are better but they are for warriors, prostitutes are becoming expensive and they always cheat and blame when customer is a gentleman, experienced mongers find everything easier but after how many years they got their experience? I found a nice prostitute, good price, doing everything, I was awaiting for somebody of yours to have threesome or a foursome. What about prices, yes don't waste time and money with cruel girls asking for 80-100$/hour for just pussy sex and cold service, it is better a cheap masturbation than an expensive fucking. High money just for blowjob without condom with completion in throath and anal fucking included in price. Remember, ukrainian prostitutes do everything and everytime with ukrainian customers for cheap prices, but when they find a foreigner, they love to fuck his money, it is becoming the most important female sport not only here in kiev. Different to the past, it is becoming cheaper to seduce, marry and divorce a nice girl than to pay sex to sponsoring girls and prostitutes. Think, people, think.
And you also paid for some generous dinners?Which means minimum 100$ per day if you went to restaurant for lunch and dinner.To pay dinner for a pro?I think this is total degradation for a monger.
Maybe in some years we will have to bring some presents first to be allowed to talk to them in RP.
A total expense of 2000$ approximately for an ukrainian girl for two days stay sounds extraordinary.You can easily sponsor one girl for a month with this amount of money.
And I do not understand who is the cheap sexpat who scams the girl.Maybe the one who travels there with no intention to marry?
I've poured over this section of the board and the pricing just seems all over the map. It's incredible the price that some seem happy to pay. It sounds like this is becoming a destination where you just have to speak a local language or be living there to manage more affordable pricing. The $ has weakened quite a bit and the Ukraine economy sounds like it has really grown. To me, $300 for even three hours, is quite expensive compared to other parts of the world.
Ok guys some really interesting posts about river palace recently! First of all I met with a hot dark haired student girl in river palace last night and when I mean hot she had the best looking rear end you can imagine. Her name was Julia she was studying Tourism at the university and had already travelled to many countries outside her home city, whats more she had her own high class motor car parked outside RP, so got a free lift home as well. Her price straightaway was 200 dollars for 2 hours, was she worth it at 3am in the morning having had a few beers, sex was ok nothing special, tried to go down on her to taste some of her flowing juices but she wouldn't allow, I like a girl who turns me on by sight and allows me to explore her, would I meet this girl again? Yes because once you have been with them and they know you won't treat them roughly then it usually pays off more when you meet next time.
Just too add I'm out here with another guy from the forums and he told me that the friend of the girl he took from river palace last night was robbed of her money from going with a russian guy who used her and then took the money back from her bag, that's why alot of the girls leave russian guys alone up there and they rely on more western guys for the money they make, and on some nights when there are not many guys there these girls make no money and can get quite pissed off if russian guys keep hitting on them because they know the risks involved with these guys. But if you are a new girl with no experience of the place and no guy is looking to hit on to you then sometimes these girls take a chance with a russian hoping everything will be ok.
Nice to have met you Explorer 69, maybe we can meet up again in new year in Kiev, I am still here for another week yet.
Was in the RP last Monday too. Nice too see how many "colleques" from this forum were present. Mayeb better we start wearing badges for easy recognition :-))
Come to Kiev every month. Always stayed in the Radisson but changed to the Hyatt recently. Very nice place and no problem to get girls in! Hyatt is about EUR 75/night more, but you get two times more value for your money (EUR 325/400)
I had a nice gril from the RP again, blond ICT student. Very nice attitude and good sex.
There are many negative things being said about the RP and some of them I agree with. There are more and more very business minded girls there. "Hi you want sex, USD 300"
But on te other hand, I have taken over the years probably some 30-40 girls from the RP. And I have never had one bad experience. Maybe one or two were so-so. Because you have time to watch them hopw they behave, you can pick out the nice ones. That is what I prefer about a club where the girls introduce themselves in a minute.
About the costs of the RP, most forget about the crazy expensive taxi's outside (UAH 80-100) adn the tipping.
But after a few nice orgasms everything is forgotten!!! :-))) Have fun!
Ukraine is a fun destination to chase freebies. If you come to look for pussy and end up in RP every night spending 300 every time then there are better countries to travel to.
Bez, Bez, Bez..I'll send you some more information in a PM one more time. :)
The last time I was in RP (September) I was being quoted $150 for an hour, $200 for two hours and $300 for all night. These were from super hot girls, this was the opening bid and without any work on my part. Just going up to them and chatting for a couple of minutes. I had no real interest in negotiating. Still too expensive for Kiev, my ceiling is $200 for the night (3-6 hours). Could be me, could be you, could be her...My buddies are still getting girls for $150-$250/night if they work it.
I sponsor girls all the time in the US (Boston, NYC, Miami) for $1-2k month (1 5-6 hour dinner date, 1 all nighter/week). You should still be able to find a model quality girl in Kiev for 2k/month or less.
Oh and the prices you should be paying the taxi at River Palace - 20-30uah to get there, 50uah to leave with a girl.
Fslag, I'm sure you are coming to Kiev on the company dime but you do realize you can rent a palace for 400e/night.
Chill Bill
12-01-07, 14:52
So forgetting the money for a minute -- over time on this board, RP has had it's ups-and-downs as it relates to the quantity of hot chicks that show up at RP. Some months I read that it's dead on the weekends with only 5s and 6s, other times it's great -- lots of 8s, 9s and some 10s.
Is it safe to assume that we are on a high now??? Seems like some of you are pulling out some real winners!
What's the current state for hotness of the RP girls??? Thanks.
Bez Bezarra
12-01-07, 15:30
I had a nice gril from RP again, blond student.
I have taken over the years probably some 30-40 girls from the RP.
Here's 30 or 40 of them
Bez Bezarra
12-01-07, 15:34
Ok at river palace recently I met a hot dark haired student girl and I mean hot she had the best looking rear end you can imagine.
would I meet this girl again? Yes.
Do we EVER see what these prostitutes look like?
Have we ever seen ANY of Fslag's 40 prostitutes?
What's the deal here? Everybody's fucking all these prostitutes, but nobody can ever show us ANY of them?
Doctor_Skank
12-01-07, 18:04
Do we EVER see what these prostitutes look like?
Have we ever seen ANY of Fslag's 40 prostitutes?
What's the deal here? Everybody's fucking all these prostitutes, but nobody can ever show us ANY of them?
Here's one.
Just sayin'.
Do we EVER see what these prostitutes look like?
Have we ever seen ANY of Fslag's 40 prostitutes?
What's the deal here? Everybody's fucking all these prostitutes, but nobody can ever show us ANY of them?I took girl from escort agency last night for 8 hours! I made video of some of it, the girl in question 19 yrs, pretty face and really enjoys the sex, best escort for GFE sex I've been with, showing it too Ricky Zaperato who I met up with today who posts on this forum. Have also other pics which I will upload when I get home in about one weeks time.
Hey, I've seen that dyevushka before! :)
Europe Hunter
12-01-07, 20:36
Hi friends,
It's interesting to read your comments about RP. Quite astonishing prices compared to cities like Prague, Tallinn or Warsaw. Soon I will be in Kiev and will definitely pay it a visit. Any other recommendations regarding good hunting places? By the way, any area in Kiev where you can find streetwalkers?
Happy Hunting & Thanks
EH
Doctor_Skank
12-01-07, 22:10
Hey, I've seen that dyevushka before! :)
Yes you have, she was incredibly spirited considering I picked her and her "sister" up at about 4.30 am... She's probably on the "sleep to 4 in the afternoon" professional schedule... :)
Work all night, sleep all day...
You paid what, $250 for 2 girls for what 6 hours or so last winter? Now that must have been a real Super Blow. ;)
Nicholai Hel
12-02-07, 00:10
As Caucasians we may have an advantage, there was a lot of Turks/Arabs in RP this particular night and it was clear that the girls prefer to keep away from them. Because of racist attitudes or bad experiences - maybe both? In the end of the day it depends on the chemistry you develop with the girls – and maybe also that their milage is not to long?Well I'm half Turkish and I assure you that Turks don't look like Arabs and people who think so are really ignorant. This is just a prejudice I guess. And Istanbul is full of Ukranian prostitutes, so it's really funny to hear that they keep away from Turks in Kiev.
Doctor_Skank
12-02-07, 02:17
Work all night, sleep all day...
You paid what, $250 for 2 girls for what 6 hours or so last winter? Now that must have been a real Super Blow. ;)
Yeah, about that... was really memorable. They were both wild. Those are prices that make sense to me. :)
Orange Leo
12-02-07, 10:57
Hi friends,
It's interesting to read your comments about RP. Quite astonishing prices compared to cities like Prague, Tallinn or Warsaw. Soon I will be in Kiev and will definitely pay it a visit. Any other recommendations regarding good hunting places? By the way, any area in Kiev where you can find streetwalkers?
Happy Hunting & Thanks
EHIf you should have success with streetwalkers you need a car and speck Russian. you will see some streetwalkers outside of the citycenter at some of the bigger roads.
Only cities I have seen streetwalkers in citicenters have been in Dnepr and Odessa.
If you are a "white" Turk you actually would have an edge over "Westerners" here in Kiev. Stereotypically, Ukrainian girls perceive "Westerners", especially Americans, as boring, superficial, and weak (because they are too civilized for Ukrainian girls). Both Turks and Ukrainians are not European and they tend to click quite well culturally. Same goes for Greeks and Italians. However, the Turks who crowd the River Palace are the middle eastern types (think Grand Bazaar carpet sellers) and it is clear that girls prefer "Westerners" over these types. In the final analysis, who you are and how you present yourself has much more weight than your passport, especially for girls who just look for fun.
Well I'm half Turkish and I assure you that Turks don't look like Arabs and people who think so are really ignorant. This is just a prejudice I guess. And Istanbul is full of Ukranian prostitutes, so it's really funny to hear that they keep away from Turks in Kiev.
Explorer69
12-02-07, 14:05
Well I'm half Turkish and I assure you that Turks don't look like Arabs and people who think so are really ignorant. This is just a prejudice I guess. And Istanbul is full of Ukranian prostitutes, so it's really funny to hear that they keep away from Turks in Kiev.I did not mean anything against Turks, I just quoted what some girl(s) had told me, it gave me this quite clear impression . As I said: in the end of the day it probably depends how you present yourself.
If you are a "white" Turk you actually would have an edge over "Westerners" here in Kiev. Stereotypically, Ukrainian girls perceive "Westerners", especially Americans, as boring, superficial, and weak (because they are too civilized for Ukrainian girls). Both Turks and Ukrainians are not European and they tend to click quite well culturally. Same goes for Greeks and Italians. However, the Turks who crowd the River Palace are the middle eastern types (think Grand Bazaar carpet sellers) and it is clear that girls prefer "Westerners" over these types. In the final analysis, who you are and how you present yourself has much more weight than your passport, especially for girls who just look for fun.I agree that slavic mentality is closer to mediteranean than to western mentality.It is easier for mediteranean men to adjust to slavic women,they do not seem so incomprehensible.They are also submissive,do not talk much,pay attention to material things and take care of themselves,want the man to buy them everything,it is the same features with mediteranean women.And mediteranean women are so darm difficult to get,you have to go through so many tricks and obstacles that after them slavic women seem like childsplay,extremely easy.You know almost everything you need to get them cause mediteranean women have trained you unpurposely.
However I disagree about turkish appeal as a nationality.Many ukrainians dislike Turks and Arabs for some reason(maybe due to wars,other religion) and this affects the attitude of many girls.I have listened girls making very bad comments about arabs and once an ukrainian guy put his arm round my neck and asked me if I was Turk.When I told him no,he left me.
Other girls expressed to me their amazement about how hot turkish men are.So it depends.But generally a european or american gets more chances than any other,except maybe the rich russian youth who has definitely an edge.
Doctor_Skank
12-02-07, 17:21
Stereotypically, Ukrainian girls perceive "Westerners", especially Americans, as boring, superficial, and weak (because they are too civilized for Ukrainian girls).
Geez, I take a hiatus from Ukraine for a few months and you are already screwing everything up. Guess I am just going to have to go back and straighten things out again... :)
Bez Bezarra
12-02-07, 19:09
I seem to generate more interest from dyevochkas when I pretend to be a businessman from London or Canada, than from USA. Not sure why, but maybe they think it will be easier to get to England than America.
Wow, I'd like to meet the girls you are hanging out with - scratch that, actually no I wouldn't.
Where is this cell of Western hating Turk loving Ukrainian girls hanging out in Kiev? I have yet to come across it in the years I've been coming to Kiev. Let me know so I can avoid that area.
Greeks and Italians aren't European? Or Ukrainian girls like them because they don't act European? I always thought Greece and Italy were the foundation of modern Europe, go figure. Or maybe it's that Turks, Greeks and Italians usually have a lot of body hair - maybe that's what the dyevushka's like?
I think a lot of Ukrainians are going to be disappointed to hear they aren't European. Think this will effect their EU chances?
I think the reason why most Ukrainian girls don't like Turks (yes, that's what I said) is that Ukrainian girls tend to view Turkish men as thinking they are all prostitutes - Natasha is slang for a Ukrainian/Russian ho, right?
If you are a "white" Turk you actually would have an edge over "Westerners" here in Kiev. Stereotypically, Ukrainian girls perceive "Westerners", especially Americans, as boring, superficial, and weak (because they are too civilized for Ukrainian girls).
i'm not from new york, california, or texas. i am from a major city and have a distaste for the countryside and suburbs. i don't like george w. bush either. i wasn't born in the us, but i do enjoy the full benefits of being american and calling it my primary home.
girls who i meet and gotten to known over the course of a few trips to kyiv all agree that they are not very fond of foreigners and they all think and are told that foreigners love ukrainian girls and just want to pump and dump them. this outweighs any curiosity they may have about them otherwise. obviously i'm different and trust me, i know i am. in this light, the number one place european girls want to go to should they get a visa is the us. this is true for prague, rome, kyiv, london, and yes even, parisian girls. i know because i ask.
short story: i complained via text to a girlfriend in kyiv while i was in the states about getting a speeding ticket going 105 mph on the highway. in ukraine, 20 bucks would get you out of it and on your way. she responded "but you're in the us of a :)"... i immediately felt slightly better.
sorry to the english / welsh / scottish /irish / canadians / turkish / italians / french / greek / etc here. there really is no argument here. top cities in the us are nyc, la, and chicago. then you still have all of the rest of socal, hawaii, miami/keys, east hamptons, and aspen/vail. in the uk, you have london... and that's it. birmingham is second... and not even worth mentioning. i know well off ukrainian girls, college age that have gone over to the uk on daddy's money and were bored because they didn't go to london. i can't imagine the life of a bloke living in manchester, despite mu's greatness. and canada... i've gone to toronto on business several times and if that's the best there is, no contest. now remember, this is where to live, not where to vacation. paris, southeast italy, greek isles, and even istanbul are great for a week trip, but living there kind of blows.
ask your p4p girl next time as post-sex talk. if she had $25k to spend and a visa to go anywhere to tour and potentially live for a few years, where she would go. it's either going to be moscow or the us, depending on how loyal she is to the motherland ;)
wow, i'd like to meet the girls you are hanging out with - scratch that, actually no i wouldn't.
where is this cell of western hating turk loving ukrainian girls hanging out in kiev? i have yet to come across it in the years i've been coming to kiev. let me know so i can avoid that area.
DJ FourMoney
12-03-07, 07:45
Hi everybody,
I am in kiev again, I am reading a lot of things that I have already written, yes freebies are better but they are for warriors, prostitutes are becoming expensive and they always cheat and blame when customer is a gentleman, experienced mongers find everything easier but after how many years they got their experience? I found a nice prostitute, good price, doing everything, I was awaiting for somebody of yours to have threesome or a foursome. What about prices, yes don't waste time and money with cruel girls asking for 80-100$/hour for just pussy sex and cold service, it is better a cheap masturbation than an expensive fucking. High money just for blowjob without condom with completion in throath and anal fucking included in price. Remember, ukrainian prostitutes do everything and everytime with ukrainian customers for cheap prices, but when they find a foreigner, they love to fuck his money, it is becoming the most important female sport not only here in kiev. Different to the past, it is becoming cheaper to seduce, marry and divorce a nice girl than to pay sex to sponsoring girls and prostitutes. Think, people, think.
Call me the Frugal Monger, I spent $271US RT for a "freebie" and it was limited. Might as well have banged a "Pro", no limits. The more I think about it, more I think I should have went with that hot brunette at met at RP for $250 and no mention of time limit@3am.
Should have taken up "Professional Party Girl" up on her offer of $150@5am and no MENTION of time limits.
Semi pro's don't charge twice or do they??? I got her cell number and it works ;)
At this point, I would agree that it just might be cheaper to "buy the cow with the milk" in Kiev and I don't think there are trade-offs to going "Big City" over "Tiny Village".
Guys that pay an agency thousands of dollars to be sex tourist is pretty dam stupid especially when now have to "weed" out the the girls "seeking adventure..." when the honorable intention was to find a partner to get married.
It takes all kinds and I really don't understand the bashing of people that want to spend more money than you do. I am reasonably broke and can't afford to visit Europe every 2-4 months like some of you do. I know you go into the FSU for IT related jobs, which means I guess I should learn Unix sometime soon - :)
Call me the Frugal Monger, I spent $271US RT for a "freebie" and it was limited. Might as well have banged a "Pro", no limits. The more I think about it, more I think I should have went with that hot brunette at met at RP for $250 and no mention of time limit@3am.
Should have taken up "Professional Party Girl" up on her offer of $150@5am and no MENTION of time limits.
Semi pro's don't charge twice or do they??? I got her cell number and it works ;)
At this point, I would agree that it just might be cheaper to "buy the cow with the milk" in Kiev and I don't think there are trade-offs to going "Big City" over "Tiny Village".
Guys that pay an agency thousands of dollars to be sex tourist is pretty dam stupid especially when now have to "weed" out the the girls "seeking adventure..." when the honorable intention was to find a partner to get married.
It takes all kinds and I really don't understand the bashing of people that want to spend more money than you do. I am reasonably broke and can't afford to visit Europe every 2-4 months like some of you do. I know you go into the FSU for IT related jobs, which means I guess I should learn Unix sometime soon - :)
Dear Friend I agree with you totally... if you pay you know what you get... now I'm setting up a lot (not so much, presents etc) of money on a UA girl! Of course she is what I like: 158/45, black haired and filled 18 since a couple of months. I hope that in the next weekend I can take her in bed and drill her pink holes. But she has alreedy reserved a table in the most expecive restaurant in Kiev!
The experience with my friend U. was the same (I'll bang her holes agin in this trip). So in any case I decided to reserve some pro pigs and, what not, a tour of Mystery Tramp holes! She said me she need new photos! :) perhaps a pussy portrait! She is not working any more at RP but in another bar
By the way if you have some real pig in your telephone register could you send them over?
IT
DJ FourMoney
12-03-07, 08:06
i'm not from new york, california, or texas. i am from a major city and have a distaste for the countryside and suburbs. i don't like george w. bush either. i wasn't born in the us, but i do enjoy the full benefits of being american and calling it my primary home.
girls who i meet and gotten to known over the course of a few trips to kyiv all agree that they are not very fond of foreigners and they all think and are told that foreigners love ukrainian girls and just want to pump and dump them. this outweighs any curiosity they may have about them otherwise. obviously i'm different and trust me, i know i am. in this light, the number one place european girls want to go to should they get a visa is the us. this is true for prague, rome, kyiv, london, and yes even, parisian girls. i know because i ask.
short story: i complained via text to a girlfriend in kyiv while i was in the states about getting a speeding ticket going 105 mph on the highway. in ukraine, 20 bucks would get you out of it and on your way. she responded "but you're in the us of a :)"... i immediately felt slightly better.
sorry to the english / welsh / scottish /irish / canadians / turkish / italians / french / greek / etc here. there really is no argument here. top cities in the us are nyc, la, and chicago. then you still have all of the rest of socal, hawaii, miami/keys, east hamptons, and aspen/vail. in the uk, you have london... and that's it. birmingham is second... and not even worth mentioning. i know well off ukrainian girls, college age that have gone over to the uk on daddy's money and were bored because they didn't go to london. i can't imagine the life of a bloke living in manchester, despite mu's greatness. and canada... i've gone to toronto on business several times and if that's the best there is, no contest. now remember, this is where to live, not where to vacation. paris, southeast italy, greek isles, and even istanbul are great for a week trip, but living there kind of blows.
ask your p4p girl next time as post-sex talk. if she had $25k to spend and a visa to go anywhere to tour and potentially live for a few years, where she would go. it's either going to be moscow or the us, depending on how loyal she is to the motherland ;)
cha-ching
welcome broad, more progressive thinking is always welcome, i wish i could ship a fair amount of the republican party to mars.
seeing those artistic "mug shots" of the bush crime family is the best thing i have seen this year.
So again I was in Kiev, this to my great amusment is now becomming weekly and I plan to move here in the new year! I have done my time in stalag Donetsk time to play with the big boys and girls!
I was with a buisness contact (Ukrainian) and he insisted to stay in Hotel Ukrainia, yes I know a dump, so he slopes off to bed at 10 and i get my driver to take me to a strip club, upon entering it just reminded me of a London clip joint, the gilr sat down offered a "private dance" and when i asked what it contained of I was told sex and she wanted $150! i was astounded she wanted so much she was a max 4 on my scale, so another girl comes up says can i sit? yes i say, she sits and drinks her drink i was then presented a bill for 100 grn for her drink!
I refused to pay and upon leaving was hounded by the security right up until he met my driver and then he backed down.
So I headed to river palace this was thursday night 29.11 and found it was not too bad a collection at 11.30pm i spent around an hour there and was offered mostly full nights again at $400 but some did consider moving down to $250 for the night, so total madness to pay $1500 for two days in my opinion.
I went back to the hotel on my own and looked at was in the lobby two gilrs where there both a 2 on my scale and total dogs they wanted 100 euro an hour, obviously i refused and went to bed.
The moral ofthe story is keep away from back street strip joints.
Doctor_Skank
12-03-07, 09:31
She is not working any more at RP but in another bar
Which bar... this would be interesting info. Not for MT necessarily, but any other pickup bar info is beneficial.
DoctorOral
12-03-07, 09:34
I found the contact to a well-known porn star from Ukraine. She is steaming hot, has international reputation and asks for 2500$ incl. travel for a weekend. pm me for details if wanted.
Ask your p4p girl next time as post-sex talk. If she had $25k to spend and a VISA to go anywhere to tour It's either going to be Moscow or the US
And ? ... P4P girls have usually a very distorted vision of the world. ;)
Ask ANY normal russian girl what should be her "dream trip" and she will inevitably answer Paris. Russian people are fascinated by France. During Xmas and January vacations the Champs Elysees (I live one block from there) are literally packed with russians, and it's difficult to walk 10 meters without bumping into a slavic beauty.
There's a very popular russian saying that says "To see Paris and Die".
the number one place European girls want to go to should they get a VISA is the US. This is true for Rome, London, and yes even, Parisian girls. I know because I ask.
ROFLMAO
What a f**king ridiculous assertion.
:rolleyes:
Is that because of the race riots?
There's a very popular russian saying that says "To see Paris and Die".
Is that because of the race riots?
Seems Fox News is your main source of (dis) information.
Riots in Paris have social causes, not racial or cultural.
Strange most girls tell me they want to go to London............
Perhaps it all depends on what country you are from ? they coundn't lie could they?
Doctor_Skank
12-03-07, 12:44
Ask ANY normal russian girl what should be her "dream trip" and she will inevitably answer Paris. Russian people are fascinated by France.
Perhaps living in Paris you get that impression and I am sure that Paris still draws them in. I personally have only good things to say about Paris itself, its one of my favorite cities... besides the Arabs there which do detract from the city's charm. There, I said it. Russian girls say that too by the way. I was there last summer with 2 Russian girls and they were laughing about it. Other than that, they liked the city and spent about $15,000 each of Daddy's money on clothes. I sprung for the pizza and helped them "relax" after a long day shopping. :)
But ANY Russian girl will say her dream trip is Paris? Maybe among the 30+ crowd, but for the younger ones more exotic locations are much more "hip" than Paris. Try Italian and Spanish beaches, Greece, Thailand and Brazil. Ukrainians are behind the Russians in this trend (and every other trend for that matter), but they learn fast. Come to think of it, I can't think of any Russian or Ukrainian girl who said she dreamed of going to Paris. I'm sure they'd enjoy the chance if somebody else was paying, but they have other holiday priorities... the most notable one being sun and sand.... and bragging rights about having gone somewhere "cool".
And despite any prejudices that Ukrainians and Russians have against Americans and in particular our f'ed up president, say the words "California", "Florida" or "New York" and watch her eyes light up as her legs spread apart ever so slightly in an uncontrolled response. Pop culture combined with beaches and shopping defeat any prejudices. If US visa laws weren't so stupid and flights were cheaper, you'd see much more tourism headed that way.
And yeah Qjump, when it comes to working abroad London is THE place of choice among talented and upwardly mobile dyevki... however tourists generally head elsewhere.
Strange most girls tell me they want to go to London. Perhaps it all depends on what country you are from ? they coundn't lie could they?
Those ukrainian girls eager to go to London coundn't be golddiggers could they ? ;)
Bez Bezarra
12-03-07, 13:47
So again I was in Kiev, I play with big boys and girls!
I was offered sex
she wanted $150 she was a max 4 on my scale,
I headed to river palace and was offered $400
some did consider $250 for the night,
so total to pay $1500 for two days.
I went back to the hotel lobby
two gilrs were both a 2 on my scale they wanted 100 euro an hour,
i refused and went to bed.
The moral of the story is keep away.
Ok everybody, start attacking me. Come on, that's all you can do, attack attack attack. This country's better than that country, bla bla bla!
Well of course, its because you are right, you know what you're talking about, you have more experience, you are there, your girls are better, you are better looking, you have more money, you have a better job, you are younger, you have better clothes, the girls like you better, bla bla bla BLA!
You should try listening to yourselves. Its embarrassing. Sorry to put you in your place, but really somebody has to do it. I thought the Prague-blog thread was pathetic, but you guys have turned Kiev into another mess.
Come on now, attack me! You can't help it. Everybody in the pool! I'm wrong, I'm an idiot, I'm stupid jerk. Bla bla bla! Your prescious macho masculinity has been offended, and you MUST defend yourself and your brilliant opinions and impressive philosophies are superior so that all the girls will throw themselves at your feet like you are Ceasar.
I know, I never contribute any useful information, or give you guys any contact info for these girls, so I'm just full of crap all the time. Come on, attack me!! Nobody can resist complaining what a bastard I am. Blanket party!! Throw your punches! Hurry and tell on me to Jackson. Run, RUN!!
Oh Jackson, Jackson!! Bez is so bad!! He changed what I said to make me look foolish!! Its not fair!! He has to be punsihed!! Bla bla bla!!
This is another Kiev shalava blyad. So what. $70. Why pay more. She is skanky. Girls just want to have fun, and dollars.
Doctor_Skank
12-03-07, 14:22
Nobody can resist complaining what a bastard I am. Blanket party!! Throw your punches! Hurry and tell on me to Jackson. Run, RUN!!
Oh Jackson, Jackson!! Bez is so bad!! He changed what I said to make me look foolish!! Its not fair!! He has to be punsihed!! Bla bla bla!!
I'm not taking you to Paris with me! There, now I've said it.
... say the words "California", "Florida" or "New York" and watch her eyes light up as her legs spread apart ...
And if you're from Tehran, Kosovo or Jersey City you may find lying works better
Bez Bezarra
12-04-07, 05:14
Tis the season, let's turn our swords into schlongs.
I retract my tirade of verbal diarrhea, and appeal for mercy and forgiveness to all those I have offended, in the name of Holy Smegma, Goddess of Rim Cheese.
Well, not really, but it sounded good.
This is more or less the perspective I want to get across:
Which bar... this would be interesting info. Not for MT necessarily, but any other pickup bar info is beneficial.
I do not know, but I'll ask her... You knwo a week in kiev with a lot of different dev... why loosing the occasion to nail once more the still tight holes of MT? :D
IT
IT, is MT hanging out at Decadance or Arena now? Most RP girls seem to graduate to those two clubs. I'd be up for drilling Alesia for $100 and I'm sure she'd be up for it too. But just thinking of the 1000 guys she had since I last tapped her kind of turns me off in a vomit inducing way, not for moralistic reasons - but more for communicable disease reasons.
Dr, there are two constant in girls of any age - they all love bowling (never been able to figure this one out) and they all love Las Vegas. The major draw for Paris for girls was/is fashion. But the fashion industry is more of a global industry these days. I guess you can tell a lot about a girl by which city/destination she wants to go to. I'm thinking most of the girls we target are the Las Vegas, LA, Ibiza, Dominican Republic, Thailand, Red Sea type. ;)
Bez, you left out my penis is bigger then yours.
Pro, Oh, I thought it was African's rioting in the streets again? France allowed free immigration from their ex colonies but never gave much thought to the social/economic impact.
All race riots are based on social issues. Actually one could say all riots are based on social issues.
I remember seeing African's milling about in Pigalle at night drinking in public when I lived in Paris in the early 90's. Didn't think it was going to end well. I guess ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away isn't working out too well.
Seems Fox News is your main source of (dis) information.
Riots in Paris have social causes, not racial or cultural.
IT, is MT hanging out at Decadance or Arena now? Most RP girls seem to graduate to those two clubs. I'd be up for drilling Alesia for $100 and I'm sure she'd be up for it too. But just thinking of the 1000 guys she had since I last tapped her kind of turns me off in a vomit inducing way, not for moralistic reasons - but more for communicable disease reasons.
Dr, there are two constant in girls of any age - they all love bowling (never been able to figure this one out) and they all love Las Vegas. The major draw for Paris for girls was/is fashion. But the fashion industry is more of a global industry these days. I guess you can tell a lot about a girl by which city/destination she wants to go to. I'm thinking most of the girls we target are the Las Vegas, LA, Ibiza, Dominican Republic, Thailand, Red Sea type. ;)
Bez, you left out my penis is bigger then yours.
Pro, Oh, I thought it was African's rioting in the streets again? France allowed free immigration from their ex colonies but never gave much thought to the social/economic impact.
All race riots are based on social issues. Actually one could say all riots are based on social issues.
I remember seeing African's milling about in Pigalle at night drinking in public when I lived in Paris in the early 90's. Didn't think it was going to end well. I guess ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away isn't working out too well.
I do not know where MT is hanging out now, but for sure she sucked more than 1000 cocks! she is in business since eraly 2004 or late 2003. You are rigt for disease... the reason I like naive 18teens...
IT
Explorer69
12-04-07, 10:55
I have to admit that I have been very conservative and only been to RP. How will the experts characterize and compare these clubs? Special days of the week, quality of girls, costs, percentage of WG in relation to total, etc.?
Explorer69
12-04-07, 11:46
http://www.cityoflove.com/SSPframe.aspx?lang=en-GB&ID=16965
Anybody knows about this "Playboy XXL Club"? Is it only massage or is it also sex?
Doctor_Skank
12-04-07, 12:14
Dr, there are two constant in girls of any age - they all love bowling (never been able to figure this one out) and they all love Las Vegas. The major draw for Paris for girls was/is fashion. But the fashion industry is more of a global industry these days. I guess you can tell a lot about a girl by which city/destination she wants to go to. I'm thinking most of the girls we target are the Las Vegas, LA, Ibiza, Dominican Republic, Thailand, Red Sea type. ;)
Pretty much on target Cruiser, just taking a random sampling of some of the current gfs, who are admittedly more the upscale cosmopolitan type but also some students mixed in for "freshness":
OK, it's purely academic and useless info, but...
Lena: dreams of Greece
Lena2: Crimea
Julia1: dreams of California, but never been anywhere outside Russia
Julia2: got back from Japan
Julia3: dreams of Goa (India)
Inna: dreams of Japan
Mila: in LA
Dasha: moved to London, holidays in Brazil
Dasha2: loves everything anglo, but prefers holidays in Spain and Malta
Anna: loves Malta
Katya: just returned from Brazil
Katya2: Crimea (Kazantipp)
Alyona: holidays in Turkey
Lara: Sochi
Ira: in LA right now
Nastya: holidays in Sharm-al-Sheik/Egypt
Ksenia1: got back from Thailand
Ksenia2: loves Italy
Nadia: Mallorca/Spain
Olesya: London
Natiya: holidays in Hurghada/Egypt
Zhenya1: emigrated to US
Zhenya2: Boston
That's:
Southern Europe: 5 (22%)
Turkey/Egypt: 3 (13%)
Asia/SA/exotic: 5 (22%)
US: 5 (22%)
UK: 2 (9%)
Southern Russia: 3 (13%)
I suppose my random sampling is skewed... but I do think it reflects current trends among young women(18-25). Sun, sand and exotic locations. City tours seem out. For the general populace including all social classes, overall the most popular resort destination is still Turkey due to its relative cheapness, no visa requirement and guaranteed great weather, however girls with any money at all avoid it as it is considered a place where "country people" and "poor people" go on holiday. It's not considered "cool" among the wanna-be elite. That's fine by me though, I'm even considering popping in to Turkey next summer since I like poor country girls just fine for some easy sex... even if I do seem to end up with city girls when it comes to more lasting relationships.
As for bowling, it's uncanny how much they love it. Cool by me though... bowling, beer and sex are a perfect combo. :)
Boston? Have you been holding out on me? ;)
I'm just amazed how every girl I have ever met if the subject comes up just loves bowling. It's scary - deep seated DNA coding?
I know bowling is/was tendy in the FSU. In Kharkov there is even a Bowling alley/club/ho house, picture River Palace on land with a bowling alley..
Dasha2 - can't get much more Anglo then vacationing in Malta and Spain.
Explorer,
Arena - picture the girls at RP asking for $100 or 100e more. Some of the better looking ones go but you can still get some fuglies.
Decadance - $100-150 100e-150 more but face control for the girls is a lot better (for us)
when you and the girl can get down in the gutter. ;-))
[QUOTE=Cruiser DI'm just amazed how every girl I have ever met if the subject comes up just loves bowling. It's scary - deep seated DNA coding?
I know bowling is/was tendy in the FSU. In Kharkov there is even a Bowling alley/club/ho house, picture River Palace on land with a bowling alley..
[/QUOTE]
Doctor_Skank
12-05-07, 10:12
I'm just amazed how every girl I have ever met if the subject comes up just loves bowling. It's scary - deep seated DNA coding?
Well I for one love sticking things in all three (of her) holes.
Just sayin'.
Bowling is a good bet in FSU, especially since they often have non-standard lanes... too short for example. Easy to kick ass.
When we meet in Kiev, we're going bowling with two leggy blondes and getting them drunk on tequila... settled.
There's actually a pretty good bowling alley in that new shopping complex where the retro disco is, starts with an "A" I believe. Afina/Atrium/Apollo? Help!
I and others have posted information about dating web sites for the Ukraine. It was pointed out to me that several web sites work from the same database, making it pretty much redundant to sign up for more than one. After a little more research I can report the following groupings:
Mamba.ru -- this is the parent company and also their flagship site
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Flirt.ru
Rambler.ru
Singles.ru
Love.online.ua
LovePlanet -- this is the parent company
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www.loveplanet.ua
love.loveguide.ru
Independent Sites
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2gether
dating.ru
24open.ru
www.maw.ru (erotic photo exchange)
love.i.ua
The sites that I call "Independents" seems to be considerable smaller that the two industry giants Mamba and LovePlanet. There are pro's and cons to the various sites for those who don't speak Russian and don't have Ukraine cellphones with Ukraine SMS to pay for premium services. I covered some of the language/interface issues in a previous post, and I plan to cover some payment issues in the future (to supplemental post by others on this forum).
Explorer69
12-06-07, 00:41
[QUOTEExplorer,
Arena - picture the girls at RP asking for $100 or 100e more. Some of the better looking ones go but you can still get some fuglies.
Decadance - $100-150 100e-150 more but face control for the girls is a lot better (for us)[/QUOTE]So in other words there is no reason to go to Arena or Decadence, you just pay more for the P4P? But of course in these places you also have a broader spectrum, not only P4P? What is the percentage of WGs in these places?
Whether they want opera in Milan or tea with the Queen in London, most of these girls inevitably end up in Cyprus, Israel or Dubai, where they can put their talents to work
That if they are lucky to get the visa.. LOL
Whether they want opera in Milan or tea with the Queen in London, most of these girls inevitably end up in Cyprus, Israel or Dubai, where they can put their talents to work
Oddly enough it's not too hard for an attractive girl involved in the sex trade to get a visa. Switzerland and Montreal seem to be popular destinations. Ah, what corruption, money and knowing the right (or wrong) people can do.
That if they are lucky to get the visa.. LOL
This is a futile discussion, but I could stop myself from responding. I never mentioned any Western hating Turk loving Ukranian girls. This is only your distortion.
I talked about the "white" Turks: The educated professional "westernized" types. I am one of them. These guys blend best of both worlds. I and my Turkish friends pick up girls right and left all the time. I don't give a shit about what Ukranian girls think about small businessmen in Kiev from inland Turkey or their hotel staff in Antalya. I am having the best time of my life here.
Of course for a girl who wants to get out of Ukraine, an American probably would be best target. After all the US is the most comfortable (one of the most boring at the same time) country in the world and Holywood is doing a great job selling the American Dream.
Greece and Italy could have been the cultural basis of Europe. When I go to modern Greece I don't really feel that I am in Europe. Maybe they have spent too much time under Turkish domination and were left behind. Greeks, Italians, Spanish, and Portugues are Mediterranian and as such distinctly different in their mentality from the rest of Europe. Turkey blends both Middle East and Mediterranian. Devushkas love guys from Greece, Italy, Spain, Turkey etc. because of their warmth, openness, and passion.
By the way, body hair (if not excessive), dark hair, and dark eyes are truly attractive to Ukrainian girls. In this city I feel like I am the guy in the Axe commercials...
It is been quite a long time since I came here and I haven't had neither the need nor the time for paid-sex. Regular girls keep me just too busy...
Wow, I'd like to meet the girls you are hanging out with - scratch that, actually no I wouldn't.
Where is this cell of Western hating Turk loving Ukrainian girls hanging out in Kiev? I have yet to come across it in the years I've been coming to Kiev. Let me know so I can avoid that area.
Greeks and Italians aren't European? Or Ukrainian girls like them because they don't act European? I always thought Greece and Italy were the foundation of modern Europe, go figure. Or maybe it's that Turks, Greeks and Italians usually have a lot of body hair - maybe that's what the dyevushka's like?
I think a lot of Ukrainians are going to be disappointed to hear they aren't European. Think this will effect their EU chances?
I think the reason why most Ukrainian girls don't like Turks (yes, that's what I said) is that Ukrainian girls tend to view Turkish men as thinking they are all prostitutes - Natasha is slang for a Ukrainian/Russian ho, right?
Yeah you never mentioned Ukrainian girls hate Westerns, you just said 'Ukrainian girls perceive "Westerners", especially Americans, as boring, superficial, and weak'. I can feel the love, can't you? Not that statement anyway at all jives with reality. You must go to the same alternate Kiev that Evils goes to.
Never would have figured you were Turkish Hedo. Didn't you say at one point you were American? Or was I mistaken?
Picking up a Ukrainian girl in Kiev is about as hard as finding a taxi in Kiev. Picking up a very attractive girl in Kiev is on par with finding a taxi that isn't going to try to rip you off.
Greece made it contribution to Modern Europe long before the Ottoman Empire rose out of the ashes of the Byzantine Empire in the Dark Ages.
Most Ukrainian girls do not consider being Turkish a plus, actually it’s a big minus. When scrolling through online personal ads on Russian and Western sites I often see 'No Turkish men'. When I'm in Kiev for two months and date 100 or so girls I'll do a poll and post it on ISG.
1) Would you date a Turkish guy?
a) ok, would you talk to a Turkish guy?
2) Do you prefer dark hair?
3) Dark eyes?
4) Body hair?
in my opinion with the nationalities things work like this.
if you are solo, the nationality matters less than the personal abilities. however people of mediteranean descent have an advantage in this case because they are more individualistic and more solo oriented in general. the same applies for people from latin countries.
if you are in groups, then nationality does matter. in this case people who have the advantage are the english who come in hordes and occupy every single girl. the other big group is formed by the italians who also work girls in pairs and big companies. so some rep001tered italians coming are not a big deal. they represent no danger or competition. they are condemned to failure. also some english coming will cause an imbalance but will not definetely affect the market. but if they come in huge clusters, then the chances and the attitude of local girls will change.
the americans seem to like picking up solo which is a good thing as it does not spoil the places. they are maybe a bit more honest in approach.
the arabs, turks etc tend to give false promises of marriage etc, so if their amount exceeds a certain level they can cause damage (maybe they have done this in kishinev, odessa).
the blacks have more animalistic approach and try a lot to scam in primitive way, however the percentage of girls who like blacks is fixed, they simply like blacks and so the latter cannot cause any damage because they do not destroy the reputation of westerners in general but only of their race.
skandinavians always force the prices a little up and they fuck so many girls all around europe, that their women do the same with men of other nationalities, so their existence is not bad, the damage they may cause (or not) is balanced by the hot babies they bring from skandinavia.
the damage inflicted by the english on the other hand is not compensated by the availability of english women for a number of reasons.
this is the situation as seen from my experience.
I'll do a poll
2) Do you prefer dark hair?
3) Dark eyes?
4) Body hair?
It's not a rule, but nationalities and cultural features aside, many slavic girls do IMO usually prefer for fun and adventure the typical dark-haired and tanned "latin lover" look over the pale and blond american/northern-european type, reminder of their fellow countrymen. In a logical way, it's exactly the opposite in South American countries. A blond, pale, blue-eyed (and good-looking) friend of mine is literally a killer in Colombia but had hardly any success in Moldova.
About your poll ... how such an experienced monger like you can forget that there's an abyss between what does a girl say and what does a girl do ?
:rolleyes:
So in other words there is no reason to go to Arena or Decadence, you just pay more for the P4P? But of course in these places you also have a broader spectrum, not only P4P? What is the percentage of WGs in these places?
From my experience pretty much any girl not with a guy in these places is either (a) pro or (b) semi-pro, or (c) available at a price, be it a nice meal and drinks all night, or a fistful of greenbacks!
Standard WGs tend to be about 25% at weekends, but it's really hard to tell, because about 70% return interest from a merest of glances.
Same also in Caribbean, which is a little cheaper than Decadence and Arena.
Girls, actually most people for that matter tend to be comfortable with what they are used to. In this particular case I don't think it really matter if you are a Latino (for example) unless you speak Russian well and/or look like Antonio Banderas. Sure some girls will be especially interested in you due to your uniqueness, but they will be in the minority. Age divide is also becoming more and more of a factor in the Westernized FSU. Not that it is becoming a 'factor' it's just becoming more of a factor then it was.
What a girl says, what a girl does - Serial daters and professionals (both men and woman) aren't exactly the most truthful people in the world, this really has absolutely nothing to do with gender.
Knight, your more then a little off in your conclusions. First off, not every girl without a guy in a club is available for a price in Kiev, those days are long over. In River Palace the ratio is 99%. At Arena and Decadance it varies from 20-40%. If a girl is sitting by herself or with a female friend at the bar then there is a 90% chance she is working. It's been a long time since I've been to Caribbean but they used to be very little p4p there, but things could have very easily changed. Starting the night off at Caribbean and then walking to 111 used to be one of my favorite nocturnal activities in Kiev.
70% return interest at the merest of glances? What does that mean? They giggle when you smile at them? What is this middle school? ;)
Knight, your more then a little off in your conclusions. First off, not every girl without a guy in a club is available for a price in Kiev, those days are long over. In River Palace the ratio is 99%. At Arena and Decadance it varies from 20-40%. If a girl is sitting by herself or with a female friend at the bar then there is a 90% chance she is working. It's been a long time since I've been to Caribbean but they used to be very little p4p there, but things could have very easily changed. Starting the night off at Caribbean and then walking to 111 used to be one of my favorite nocturnal activities in Kiev.
70% return interest at the merest of glances? What does that mean? They giggle when you smile at them? What is this middle school? ;)
You actually confirmed my argument :)
90% of the unattached girls are at the bar or circling it when not dancing themselves!
Ah, 111... tales from a bygone age fondly remembered!
Anyone know anything about Club Tato - saw ad in a Western-marketed listings Mag as strip/fashion every night, so decided to pop in for an hour on the assumption that because it's a fair way out of town it could be decent.
It was cheaper, and reasonable atmosphere, but not sure any of the dyevochkas were working.... Anyone know if it is a pick-up bar?
A lot of the girls milling about are not p4p in Arena which draws a large student and village crowd looking to party in the flashy big city disco. Girls at the bar are more then likely p4p. Girls at the circular seating area near the steps are 90% p4p.
Decadance promotes itself as an elitist club. Which means that most girls there would be interested in a sugar daddy arrangement (as with most elitist clubs in the world). Assuming of course they aren't already hanging out with their sugar daddy (which means you'll have to catch her on an off night at RP :) ). While by definition a sugar daddy arrangement is p4p, it's not the kind of p4p 95% of the guys who read this forum are looking for. The girls sitting at the small bar are usually interested in an hourly or nightly arrangement.
As I mentioned before unless things have changed quite a bit in Caribbean - which is very possible, I haven't set foot in that club in two years, there was very little p4p there.
I have never been to Tato, but it's a club from the 111 era. It's never on anyone's list of a place to go. I'm assuming it's a local non p4p place - there are a lot of universities in that area. Is it a student hang out?
Saw very little if any p4p at the Caribbean, some girls looking to dance, some are very good Kiev salsa dancers who teach professionally and definitely are not p4p. You basically need to impress a girl there with your dancing skills, but who needs to sweat when you are out plus I like my girls HOT, the dancer girls are usually not.
Here is a good link to all Kiev clubs/bars/etc:
http://kiev.afisha.ua/club/
and if you don't read Russian here is a translation
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fkiev.afisha.ua%2Fclub%2F&langpair=ru%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Saw very little if any p4p at the Caribbean, some girls looking to dance, some are very good Kiev salsa dancers who teach professionally and definitely are not p4p. You basically need to impress a girl there with your dancing skills, but who needs to sweat when you are out plus I like my girls HOT, the dancer girls are usually not.
Here is a good link to all Kiev clubs/bars/etc:
http://kiev.afisha.ua/club/
and if you don't read Russian here is a translation
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fkiev.afisha.ua%2Fclub%2F&langpair=ru%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Wow, which night were you there on? Definitely stacks of p4p or semipros on last two occasions I've been there. Dancing skills? Don't need 'em mate IMHO
Doctor_Skank
12-10-07, 19:02
if you are the clicheed version of your nationality, you will lose... because most of our countrymen... no matter which country we come from, are pathetic losers when it comes to getting pussy.
we americans are weak and boring with women.
the english would rather get drunk than fuck.
italians are cheap and all talk no action.
turks are woman-hating sadists.
germans are either perverted closet homosexuals and ****s or too shy to ask the waitress for her phone number.
leave anybody out to insult?
it's all about adapting to field conditions, playing on your strengths... if you aren't doing it, you're missing out on something.
as for as the ukraine girl-turkish guy question, i am no expert as i am not a ukrainian girl. i know some turkish guys who do very well... usually guys that live and work in ukraine. at the same time, if you ask ukrainian girls which guys they don't like, about half will say turkish guys. it's undeniable that turkish guys have a bad reputation. at the same time, it's also undeniable that if you ask light-skinned ukrainian women which guys they find attractive they will say "dark eyes, dark hair". in other words, ukrainian women don't know what they want. show them... :)
Explorer69
12-10-07, 20:36
At the same time, it's also undeniable that if you ask light-skinned Ukrainian women which guys they find attractive they will say "dark eyes, dark hair". I am blond and blue-eyed, what shall I do?
Dr, you left out most of the world, Asians.
... You basically need to impress a girl there with your dancing skills ...
Yes, but forget those boring and time consuming salsa lessons. This is how you impress a Kiev girl with your salsa dancing:
1. Heave your corpulent frame onto the dance floor
2. Shake that backside
3. Make sure your wallet stuffed full of $50s drops out of your inside pocket onto the floor. Do this a few times to make sure enough people see just how loaded you are
4. Go home with salsa babe
Cruiser,
If you read my posts carefully you will see that I am talking about "white" Turks. I am also quite aware that my comments about "Westerners" were over generalizations. That's why I used to word "stereotypically".
Like it or not, it is quite true that Ukrainians/Russians perceive "Westerners", especially Americans, as boring and superficial. They also tend to take your civilized behavior as a sign of weakness.
I never said I am an American. I think you are mistaken.
I didn't deny Greece's contribution to Modern Europe. All I said was that in the contemporary Greece I don't feel in Europe. I don't give a shit about who rose out of whose ashes...
In the personals, you may have seen those comments. Millions of people from Russia and Ukraine visit Turkey every year. Turkey plays to the larger low/mid income segment of the market, hence lots provincial women vacation in Turkey and many of them fuck Turkish men. Add to that the thousands of Ukrainian prostitutes in Turkey. As a result, Ukrainian women have a certain reputation in Turkey. So, lots young Turkish studs hungry for sex (after all Turkey is middle eastern to a large degree, so sex is not easily available) bombard the girls on those websites with messages.
The results of the poll you suggested would be irrelevant. Because I never talked the "average Ali".
This is my last post on this topic. I look forward to your comments on the freebies I post in the pictures section.
Yeah you never mentioned Ukrainian girls hate Westerns, you just said 'Ukrainian girls perceive "Westerners", especially Americans, as boring, superficial, and weak'. I can feel the love, can't you? Not that statement anyway at all jives with reality. You must go to the same alternate Kiev that Evils goes to.
Never would have figured you were Turkish Hedo. Didn't you say at one point you were American? Or was I mistaken?
Picking up a Ukrainian girl in Kiev is about as hard as finding a taxi in Kiev. Picking up a very attractive girl in Kiev is on par with finding a taxi that isn't going to try to rip you off.
Greece made it contribution to Modern Europe long before the Ottoman Empire rose out of the ashes of the Byzantine Empire in the Dark Ages.
Most Ukrainian girls do not consider being Turkish a plus, actually it’s a big minus. When scrolling through online personal ads on Russian and Western sites I often see 'No Turkish men'. When I'm in Kiev for two months and date 100 or so girls I'll do a poll and post it on ISG.
1) Would you date a Turkish guy?
a) ok, would you talk to a Turkish guy?
2) Do you prefer dark hair?
3) Dark eyes?
4) Body hair?
Interestingly, Ukrainian women themselves vary in colouring from very blue-eyed and blonde to very southern Italian/Spanish looking. There are some celtic looking redheads too. I've seen the full range here.
Is there any pattern based on fairer women liking darker men and vice versa? Well, no, not that I've noticed.
Most Ukrainian girls do not consider being Turkish a plus, actually it’s a big minus. When scrolling through online personal ads on Russian and Western sites I often see 'No Turkish men'. When I'm in Kiev for two months and date 100 or so girls I'll do a poll and post it on ISG.
1) Would you date a Turkish guy?
a) ok, would you talk to a Turkish guy?
2) Do you prefer dark hair?
3) Dark eyes?
4) Body hair?
Cruiser, do remember that at the time she gives her answers she will be on a date with an American at an expensive joint like Fellini (or whichever is your current favourite..)
I predict the following answers:
1) No! I only date Americans. They are so handsome
1a) Of course not. What kind of girl do you think I am?
2) I like your hair. It is so soft, like a child.
3) I think American men have beautiful eyes. You are so kind.
4) Yes, it is manly
;)
Thank you for your take on Western - Turkish - Ukrainian relations. Truly, I've base all my information on 'Midnight Express' and the docudrama 'The Natashas'
If I started commenting on your freebies then you would really start to think I don't like you. I don't think we will be sharing the same Ukrainian girlfriend/sex toy dating pool anytime soon. The girls you date view Westerners as boring, superficial and too civilized. I'm far too civilized to mention what the Ukrainian girls I date think of Turks (in general).
This is my last post on this topic. I look forward to your comments on the freebies I post in the pictures section.
Let me put it simply, and correct me if I am wrong (or not).
You implied that Ukrainian girls prefer Turkish men because they find Westerners (specifically Americans) as weak, boring and superficial. You then proceeded to lump Turks in with Italian, Greeks and Spanish. To me this simply goes against conventional wisdom and observed behavior.
So I can hurt everyone's feelings (in the spirit of Dr S). What average Ukrainian girls really prefer are Ukrainian/Russian men of the same age. Men who share their culture and are familiar to them. If you find a Ukrainian/Russian girl who has an interest in a foreign man 8 times out of 10 it's going to be for a civilized, weak, superficial, boring Westerner.
Ash, Fellini's has been out of favor for at least two years. Do people still go there? I do like the decor, ice cream and soup. I think the place is/was open extremely late. My current late night stop is Avalon, the cafe is pick up central and I like the food.
Oddly enough I usual get fairly straight forward answers from the girls I date in Kiev. I go through a lot of girls each time I'm in Kiev and tend to sort through them very fast.
I, for one, would love someone to chronicle her road to fame. Think of it as a wikipedia-like endeavor, short and snappy. I have read all reports about her on this forum and seen the pictures. I still don't quite get the magic. Is she a beast in bed, a pig or what?
I thought that early pictures of her were very sexy. But if she is like any other Russian girl I have known -- and I lived in Moscow for five years -- she drinks more than is good for her and smokes like a factory.
So is it unreasonable to entertain the possibility that mutual imbibing contributed to the magic?
She is a legend in her time. Why?
Vitt, MT is actually much better looking in person. I actually have a phone cam picture or two I snapped of her on the dance floor of River Palace in September. I took the pictures with the intention of posting them here but 1) She's overexposed here (pun intended) 2) I have a long stand rule of not posting girls in compromising positions (ie here is a picture of a ho I picked up at RP).
The popularity of MT here is no mystery. She is/was a great ho.
Bez Bezarra
12-11-07, 03:48
Yes its true that at River Palace, she stood out from the crowd, because of her bubbly outgoing personality. That combined with a wildness in bed made her memorable to the mongerers who recognized the fotos some of us posted.
But the mystery is that she didn't develop her sluttiness over a period of time. I can say for certain now that for anyone on ISG that claims to have found her, I can confirm that she was already a maniac after her first 2 weeks of tramping for Zhana, mamachka queen of Kiev 2000 to 2003.
Anyone who talks to her now, just ask her how she first began her tramping all those years ago, and she'll remember Zhana, who was likely repsonsible for ingraining in her that they wilder she was, the more money she could make.
Even more mysterious is that nobody has ever seemed to recognize any of these ladies, all of them little trampettes, in their own rite.
Hedonist demonstrates the typical turkish pride. In fact Turkey has little to offer to an ukrainian girl. The GDP per capita in Turkey is 10000$ per year while in Ukraine it stands at 8000$ per year. So a girl moving to Turkey is not going to be benefited economically while she will probably lose many of her freedoms, possibilities to get many boyfriends etc which she enjoys in Ukraine.
GDP per capita in Greece is 28000$, in Italy 32000$ and in Spain 35000$ per year. So these countries offer considerably more opportunities for career and income advancement than does Turkey. They are on a different level than Ukraine in terms of economic development.
The advantage of Turkey is that ukrainian girls obtain easily visa to get there. This means that you can have a girl coming to you without having to travel to Ukraine at all. This unfortunately does not happen in countries belonging to EU due to strict rules regarding visas to former FSU. It is a pity all these babies end up in turkish crowded beaches having no alternative than Turkey or Bulgaria (now after integration into EU situation in Bulgaria might change as well). If these girls manage somehow to gain access to West, feminazis will start to take it anally.
In my opinion every nationality has good and bad aspects regarding picking up women. The americans maybe seem weak, talk a lot etc but they use very powerful techniques in pick up. I use the same techniques and they really work. People who have seen me talking to girls have called me proffessional or pimp. I have picked up girls all over Europe, in Germany, Norway, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine etc using american techniques. They get you in a very high level of game if you know what you do and apply them to your personality. I had discovered some of them alone when I started to hit clubs but there is much stuff I did not know, for example how to talk in groups, how to transit from cocky and funny to sexual state, how to cope up with the cockblock, how to avoid the AMOG, how to isolate the girl and many, many other problems, I had not solved in short period and the americans gave me the tools to approach and solve them.
So if I using american techniques look like a proffessional to european eyes, imagine how the people who invented them look. And how many others with far more advanced techniques are out there in USA. So respect to the americans. We have a lot to learn from them.
The other thing that helps greatly in pick up is the army. If you have joined the army, you will have developed some features that help with women in my opinion. Basically it has to do with leading. The army tries to destroy your personality to make you useful and able to be leaded. If some people have done this to you, you can do the same to women. Their resistance will not count because the resistance you put as a man when they fucked you in the army was much stronger and it did not count. So the army offers a frame that helps in pick up dynamics. You have lived the action, the hardness, the bad behaviour, the tooling, the double standards that you will meet with women in a much toucher environment, that of the army, which demands all your forces to the extreme. After that women are not a big deal.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I know the girl who is in the last three pictures. That's Melona Hootertov!
Bez, you dog!
Guys, if you read my posts carefully you will see that I never talked about Turkish men in general. I talked about a certain breed of Turk who tends to be exceptionally successful with the devushkas.
The source for my comments about Westerners are necessarily the girls I date. I have male Ukrainian friends. Some of them are pretty connected. I work with Ukrainians. I live here.
I don't know in which clubs you guys hang out, but I have free entrance to most top clubs in Kiev (Tsar, Barsky etc. because I now know the right people). I have access to backrooms into which many of you can never step in. Avalon is a shithole, if you are picking up your girls from Avalon, Caribbean Club, River Palace etc, we indeed are not dating the girls from the same pool.
Turkey is clearly a middle GDP country and lags behind Europe. However, a girls does not date Turkey, she dates an individual. As an individual, I make close to USD 200K net and GDP of Turkey looks quite irrelevant to my girls.
If you look at the statistics on marriages between Russians girls and foreign men you'll see following ranking: 1) Americans 2) Turks 3) Germans 4) Scandinavians (source: Komsomolskaya Pravda). Ani Lorak (one of hottest pop stars of Ukraine) is also getting married to a Turk. Coincidence?
I don't give a shit about what you think about Turkey and Turks. It is not my mission in life to promote Turkey. I tried to offer an alternative view on how Ukrainians/Russians perceive "Westerners" , but it is not well taken. So be it. Let's drop this topic and move on.
I did read your posts - Turks exciting, Westerners boring. Did I miss something? Oh, you mean your an exceptional breed of Turk, why didn't you just say so.
You are just discovering psuedo elite clubs in your 40's how exciting for you. Been there, done that in my 20's now it's just boring. Club girls are generally a waste of time unless you find it exciting to hook up with a vapid candy w hore. I wasn't refering to Azure, I was refering to the cafe in Avalon. I was going to Caribbean before Arena, Tsar or Barsky exsisted. What can I say, I used to like 111 and Caribbean - haven't been to either in at least two years. Free access to the backroom of a club in Kiev, how exciting. Call me when you can skip the rope in NYC.
Westerners boring and weak. Turks exciting and strong. We get it.
Guys, if you read my posts carefully you will see that I never talked about Turkish men in general. I talked about a certain breed of Turk who tends to be exceptionally successful with the devushkas.
I don't know in which clubs you guys hang out, but I have free entrance to most top clubs in Kiev (Tsar, Barsky etc. because I now know the right people). I have access to backrooms into which many of you can never step in. Avalon is a shithole, if you are picking up your girls from Avalon, Caribbean Club, River Palace etc, we indeed are not dating the girls from the same pool.
I don't give a shit about what you think about Turkey and Turks. It is not my mission in life to promote Turkey. I tried to offer an alternative view on how Ukrainians/Russians perceive "Westerners" , but it is not well taken. So be it. Let's drop this topic and move on.
Guys, if you read my posts carefully you will see that I never talked about Turkish men in general. I talked about a certain breed of Turk who tends to be exceptionally successful with the devushkas.
The source for my comments about Westerners are necessarily the girls I date. I have male Ukrainian friends. Some of them are pretty connected. I work with Ukrainians. I live here.
I don't know in which clubs you guys hang out, but I have free entrance to most top clubs in Kiev (Tsar, Barsky etc. because I now know the right people). I have access to backrooms into which many of you can never step in. Avalon is a shithole, if you are picking up your girls from Avalon, Caribbean Club, River Palace etc, we indeed are not dating the girls from the same pool.
Turkey is clearly a middle GDP country and lags behind Europe. However, a girls does not date Turkey, she dates an individual. As an individual, I make close to USD 200K net and GDP of Turkey looks quite irrelevant to my girls.
If you look at the statistics on marriages between Russians girls and foreign men you'll see following ranking: 1) Americans 2) Turks 3) Germans 4) Scandinavians (source: Komsomolskaya Pravda). Ani Lorak (one of hottest pop stars of Ukraine) is also getting married to a Turk. Coincidence?
I don't give a shit about what you think about Turkey and Turks. It is not my mission in life to promote Turkey. I tried to offer an alternative view on how Ukrainians/Russians perceive "Westerners" , but it is not well taken. So be it. Let's drop this topic and move on.
Strange that seems the future prime minsiters daughter married an English guy and i would guess you have changed English to Turk on your ranking as there is no mention, and yes I am english and trust me for 1. Girls and 2. business, being english opens many more doors for me than a few back rooms in nightclubs, and by the way your wage? is that to show off? I have spent that on a two week holiday.
You know the right people where in clubs in Kiev? and thats good contacts?
Try telling me how many people you can contact personally in parliment then we are fishing in the same pool! Dont try to tell anyone whos got the biggest as you will loose. You have a driver? a S class merc in 2 towns? and security?
Wind your neck in.
She came and it was nice, she wants to work in an agency and begged me on pictures... so we used the costume (waiter) and she even got it... after a night she stealed my caviar!!! The pig and then told it was the punishment for the pictures... punishment?
She got her from most of us the best reports!
Big Pig be aware!
IT
Bez Bezarra
12-12-07, 12:55
I am a certain breed of Turk who tends to be exceptionally successful with the devushkas.
The source for my comments are the girls I date.
I live here.
I have free entrance to top clubs in Kiev because I know the right people
I have access to backrooms you can never step in.
I make USD 200K and look quite irrelevant.
I look at statistics. Coincidence?
I don't give a shit about you Turkeys.
Just TERMINALLY boring!
The discussion is pointless. All these dynamics of nationalities do not play any role at all for a simple reason. There are not many people of one particular nationality living in Kiev. So it does not matter if an individual Turk or English has success with women because it depends on his individual characteristics and technique and not on his nationality. Everybody has to work it out himself, you cannot rely on contacts to bring you girls because there are not many people of your nationality living in the same place as to provide you contacts. Simple as that. It is the personal ability that counts.
Of course there are people who would like to build a network of exclusivity and leave the others out of hunting. To build such closed, private clubs etc, you need more people than actually exist in Kiev as foreigners. So it remains free hunting. It is free for all. Do you have the technique? This only counts. You cannot exclude the others or freeze them out. You have to face the competition. It is competitive, not monopoly system.
I do not care if somebody is in the back room if I can enter the fron room. I do not care about high-class clubs because I know that the chances are in the middle class clubs and there nobody will deny the entrance to me. Since I am in, I will use my techniques to get every girl available. The others cannot stop me or freeze me out. They have to compete me and if they are on a higher level I will lose, if not I will win. This is competition, guys. There are no laws like in real life.
I came to Carribean and it was full of foreigners. Foreigners in the bar, foreigners dancing, foreigners watching. All had come for the girls. I entered with two girls and left with another girl. The other foreigners managed nothing with any girl despite their nationality. Simple as that. Can they beat me or get me out or spread rumors about me? No. So they will face competition. They will have to be above me. It is ruthless. Nobody is going to take care of you or compensate you for not getting any girl. You play and win or you play and lose. There are not many other foreign men of the same nationality to change the game.
Bez Bezarra
12-12-07, 13:15
my wages rank more than your wage
to show off I spent that on a holiday and contact many people in parliment
l got the biggest
you lose
have a driver S class merc in 2 towns and security
Winy.
Please move this garbage to the Prague thread where it belongs, where it is fashionable to impress everyone with your incredibly powerful status.
Or isn't she impressed?
The reason for my post is the way a simpleton from Turkey trys to tell us has it all boxed off in Ukraine when to be real he is just another Turkish man, and looked upon as such by most in Ukraine.
The majority of Ukrainian girls do not like arabic men fact.
The only girls who do are ones taking money for sex and lets be honest they like anyone with a $$$ in his pocket.
Bez, how do you keep finding apartments with the world's ugliest couches?
Just in case I fall uncharacteristically silent. I will be saving my 500th post for when I am in Kiev in a couple of weeks.
Doctor Skank has posted long time ago excellent posts on the mistakes that Western men make with Slavic women and has pointed out what the correct attitude should be. I was actually referring to the same stuff when I said Westerners are perceived weak and superficial... I guess you just don't like it when you hear it from a Turk.
Qjump: This simpleton from Turkey... Did it make you feel good insulting me? Did I ever say I've got the biggest? Cruiser D from his Avalon cafe chair was talking with his "listen to me little man" tone. My comments about nightlife and my financial details were to give him an answer. For my age, I am doing pretty well. I was not meaning to show off. Actually what I make/spend is nothing compared to what my Ukrainian friends make/spend. I was just trying to show that GDP of Turkey is irrelevant as we are talking about individuals here.
No doubt that being American, English, French, etc is opening many doors and I never claimed that Turkey is in the same league.
The ranking of marriages is from Komsomolskaya Pravda. I didn't change anything. English men were not in the list, which I think is actually a complement to them.
Cruiser D: You missed the whole point. Did you ever read a book cover to cover? It seems to me that you have serious difficulties in understanding written material. By the way, I just finished my 20's. There is a long way until my 40's...
Strange that seems the future prime minsiters daughter married an English guy and i would guess you have changed English to Turk on your ranking as there is no mention, and yes I am english and trust me for 1. Girls and 2. business, being english opens many more doors for me than a few back rooms in nightclubs, and by the way your wage? is that to show off? I have spent that on a two week holiday.
You know the right people where in clubs in Kiev? and thats good contacts?
Try telling me how many people you can contact personally in parliment then we are fishing in the same pool! Dont try to tell anyone whos got the biggest as you will loose. You have a driver? a S class merc in 2 towns? and security?
Wind your neck in.
Turks aren't Arabs, QJump, you stupid fuck.
Hedo, you did write this correct?
"If you are a "white" Turk you actually would have an edge over "Westerners" here in Kiev. Stereotypically, Ukrainian girls perceive "Westerners", especially Americans, as boring, superficial, and weak (because they are too civilized for Ukrainian girls). Both Turks and Ukrainians are not European and they tend to click quite well culturally. Same goes for Greeks and Italians. However, the Turks who crowd the River Palace are the middle eastern types (think Grand Bazaar carpet sellers) and it is clear that girls prefer "Westerners" over these types. In the final analysis, who you are and how you present yourself has much more weight than your passport, especially for girls who just look for fun."
I didn't Bez you, that is what your wrote?
Turks fun and exciting, Westerners boring and weak right?
You are completely off the mark with Ukrainian girls. Then you go on and throw a little bit more oddness into everything by lumping Turks in with Greeks, Italians and Ukrainians - who I guess aren't actually European.
Then you go on to further say that Ukrainian girls prefer Westerners to low class Turks, who engage in the occupation of selling carpets. But since your a 'white' Turk you are more like Italians and Greeks.
Did I understand all your nonsense correctly?
Oddly enough I never remember Dr S saying Western men are weak and superficial. What I got from your post is, I'm a cool macho white Turk who has it all over Westerners.
You don't have to tell us your in your early thirties Hedo - we aren't some dyevushka you need to lie to. We love you for who you are.
As far as who is rich, powerful and exciting, when I need to move to Kiev to work for a salary I will know it isn't me.
Three more reports to go. Use them wisely.
Turks aren't Arabs, QJump, you stupid fuck.
So your'e telling me they are ? what? european?
Dickhead is a good name for you.
Explorer69
12-13-07, 13:06
Why not stop this stupid discussion, it has nothing to do with the purpose of ISG!
LifeSavour
12-13-07, 15:15
Been saving this for my 108th post.
I now know I am the the 'man'. 'cuz. I scored the tri-fecta!
MILF. 16 weeks ago. Dilf. (her daughter) last week. Bilf. (babushka/granny) yesterday. No-one can match ls guy!
So Baba Alla comes for a 2 day stay, I have drank vodka with her several times and always have gotten a 'vibe'! She is actually younger than me! God I luv ukraine!
So, we were spending the afternoon alone shopping and drinking and cooking and drinking. I finally just said "ya, want you! " (I want you) as I pointed my finger from her to me. A smile, a hug, a kiss and the rest is history!
That night at the dinner table and actually all night I was waiting for the 'shit to hit'? Alla is a good girl and she can keep a secret!
I am including 2 photos from last summer that are on the home computer, late 40's and smoking hott body! And my sons wonder why 'ol dad lives in Ukraine!
Ps. Any guys visiting Donestk and wants an older
"Then you go on to further say that Ukrainian girls prefer Westerners to low class Turks, who engage in the occupation of selling carpets...". If that's really what you understood, I would be very sorry for you, Cruiser D. Doc talked several times how Westerners may appear weak, but you are right, probably he didn't talk about superficialness. It is my bad.
The whole time I tried to make a point while staying within limits of respect. It is amazing how some guys here can so easily start insulting others who just express their ideas.
For the record: I am not a macho. I wish I was one. I indeed just finished my 20s. The ranking was truly from Komsomolskaya Pravda. Turks are not Arabs. Calling Turks as Arabs actually shows how uninformed some of the people here are and the very same people can shamelessly call others simpletons.
This is a fruitless polemic and nobody here will change his presumptions. So this is my last post on the topic.
So your'e telling me they are ? what? european?
Dickhead is a good name for you.
And CruiserD did not tell us what happened to him during the two week stay in Kiev. He wrote he had 50 internet contacts to meet. The questions are:
1. How many of them did he actually meet
2. How many of the ones he met did he bang
3. How much money he spent on average date
4. How fruitfull was the hunting in clubs where some people here claim that 50% of the girls are available.
I call the above real information and of value for the monger.
Hecker: I absolutely agree with your 1st paragraph. For a long-term relationships these would valid considerations. This is a strange country. I have some girlfriends that I have dumped after a few fucks. They insist on seeing me just for the fun of it. They all know I managing several girls at the same time (I openly tell this to them). In this kind of easy relationships where the basis is simple fun or for nightclub pick-ups those considerations are hardly relevant. Even if they were relevant, it would not matter because I am talking about individuals, not averages, not countries.
Turkey actually offers much better conditions than Ukraine. You should be out of your mind to make the comment in your 2nd paragraph.
Ottoman economy was truly based on plundering, capturing new lands, etc. That is true. Ottomans were simply capturing new countries and taxing them. That was the common practice at some point in time. Same was practiced by other world economies. But, your sentence : "The times they were in a place (like Balkans, Middle East and Africa), there are no monuments to be found, the history seems to stop because they built absolutely nothing." is total bullshit and ridiculous.
What fuck were Germans doing in France, in Ukraine, in Russia? Who killed 16 million Russians in Russia who were trying to defend their land during the 2nd world war? Who killed millions of Jews? What the fuck America is doing in Iraq right now? I am sorry but there are quite a number of wild countries out there. Ottomans were not the only one...
To enlighten you a bit:
This is quote from the the description of an exhibition about Turks at the London Royal Academy of Arts:
... A new exhibition at the London Royal Academy of Arts charts the rich history and culture of the Turks from Inner Asia to Europe in 600-1600...
... Linked by political alliance rather than kinship the Ottomans exploited internal strife within the Byzantine Empire to invade Byzantium. They even laid siege to Belgrade and Vienna. In 1453 under Mehmed II – ‘The Conqueror’ – the Ottomans finally captured Constantinople, which they later renamed Istanbul, and it was here they established their imperial court. Like the Great Seljuks and Timur before them, the Ottomans were great patrons of the arts, commissioning works of art and literature of exceptional quality and beauty.
Throughout the Middle East and Balkans there is a rich Turkish heritage. Turks have been always the "other" for Europeans and that is not going to change any time soon. I am sorry but the fact you are ignorant and don't know a shit about my culture and doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. You are simply an uninformed ignorant guy. Go and do your homework before you write such misinformation.
Doctor_Skank
12-15-07, 20:27
I would be very sorry for you, Cruiser D. Doc talked several times how Westerners may appear weak, but you are right, probably he didn't talk about superficialness. It is my bad.
Hedonist, I didn't specifically mean westerners or particularly Americans are inherentely weak or superficial... or even that most Ukrainians think so. I just presented the negative stereotype at it's extreme... along with Turks are sadistic woman-haters etc. etc. Cruiser thankfully pointed out that I forgot to insult the world's largest ethnic group, Asians, although this actually encompasses several extremely different ethic groups. An Indian is not a Chinese is not a Thai is not a Japanese obviously. I don't feel like I need to insult them, I am in a better mood today and besides that, the Asians I have met in EE have been very decent worldly guys and did just fine with the devs.
I work with Turks business-wise and really like my partners... their business methods are chaotic at best, but I've had good experiences with them. I have mostly positive things to say about the Turks on a personal level.
Who does best in EE? I think most do fine... yourself included, at least by your own description.
Do Ukrainians prefer Turks in any way?
I'm obviously not Turk... but Turks are the ethnic nationality I hear most often referred to when it comes to "the kind I would not fuck". Girls fucking Turks are considered lower class. Doesn't mean the girls aren't worth fucking... I've screwed my share of lower class chicks over the years, but they are the lower end of the totem pole socially.
I tend to think if Turkish guys were a bit less "Turkish" in their methods, they'd do much better. The Turkish guys scoring the best are those who are more European/American in their methods than the more typical whistling-groping type.
I had a conversation with a Russian girl on the subject recently and she said that some Russian girls do fuck Turkish guys on holiday, but it still doesn't change the fact that they hate them. You have to ask yourself who is using who. Went bowling in Kiev... got laid. Bowling=sex in EE... hooray! But the girl I was with got a bit upset because some guys were calling her a "foreigner fucking *****"... and I am as about as white as it gets and even speak decent Russian. Imagine what the general opinion is of Turks.
Cruiser, do you actually live in Kiev these days or just make long trips there? How long do you stay on average? I assume it's weeks rather than days, based on the number of girls you date.
And - are you still doing the NYC cabbing job, or are you more or less retired from that now?
For the past couple of years I've been making weekend trips from London every couple of months or so; basically turning up with no contact info and talking to any girl in the street or in clubs who'll give me the time of day.
Initially this worked really well - particularly at 112, from where I would either take them home on the night or kiss them etc. and meet for a date the next day. On a subsequent visits I could either see them again or find someone new. I thought the week end formula was done and dusted.
But it's got a lot tougher recently and I've been doing progressively worse :( I really now think spending the time on lead generation, dating and generally building momentum over a period of time is critical. Do you agree?
LifeSavour
12-16-07, 08:06
(do you remember me? ) You were at my birthday for drinks in small bar on Basenya. Elvira?
So, when I moved here in 2003, you could hardly walk K street without meeting, talking, scoring. My 1st experience was around 10: 30pm on a Monday and saw 2 young ones. Stepped into the cafe, 1 pivo and 2 juices later we were on the way to the flat with the promise of some shopping. They were sisters and I had no reason to doubt. The younger (PLAYBOY) material wouldn't do much with me, but I did end up having these 2 for several outings over the next 2 motnhs until I moved in with Elena.
Point is, those days are indeed gone. Hell, I can't even get a 'Queen' to stop now in center. But since I live here, and am on the public transport everyday. I am always adding to my database!
Unless you are willing to spend big $$ on the 3 day stop over, 'times will be TUFF'!
It's always about MONEY!
Would love to see you next time you are here. Your 1 guy I met that actually seemed NORMAL! (Irish Lad has my email)
LS Guy in Winter Wonderland
LifeSavour
12-16-07, 08:36
Ladies that will attend a private cocktail party. These are not p4p. But, I think any of you fawkers would love at least one!
At the very least it will be fun! Who is around in the next 2 weeks or so before the actual 31st?
We would make it a late/early evening affair and if ya scored you have the night. If ya don't. 'you have the night' to go elsewhere.
And the biggest plus! You get to meet the 'nicest guy' in kyiv!
Ls guy
Doctor_Skank
12-16-07, 17:14
But it's got a lot tougher recently and I've been doing progressively worse :( I really now think spending the time on lead generation, dating and generally building momentum over a period of time is critical. Do you agree?
There is only so much that can be accomplished online, the real test is face to face contact. Every girl will tell you that they decide within the first 5 minutes of real contact whether or not they will fuck you.
Our only mission is to not fuck it up!
I didn't mean online at all. I'm a 100% offline guy. Which is a little weird for an IT consultant perhaps, but I've always felt that a real man will show his balls and make a face to face approach. If two humans can't say Hi directly then what is the world coming to?
By lead generation I mean getting a girl's phone number in a bar or club. Which in itself means you're on the back foot because you haven't managed to get her home there and then.
Hey Guys!!
I just got back from Kiev just over one week ago now!Great experience as ever,this is my fourth visit to this beautiful pussy lovely city,will write more of my trip over next few days but just wanted to write about what this one girl told me about what goes on in river palace and the type of guys she meets.It was the last night of my stay so after going around some of the bars with another guy from this forum,we ended up in RP at about 1am,place still quite busy with girls being available,anyway i picked up on this 30 year who i had seen before on an earlier visit,anyway after getting back to my apartment we talked for abit and i asked her if guys will still pay 300 dollars for 2 hours,this is what she wanted me to pay her to begin with but after some haggling she dropped down to 250 for 3 hours,which i agreed to because it was my last night i had to leave early next morning,so didn't want to be in river palace come 5am still trying to find a girl for only little money to pay.But what she told me about some of the guys i could not believe,some of her younger friends will not go with any guy for less than 300--500 dollars for 2 hours,depending on how hot the girl is.She has known one guy who has paid girl 300 dollars just to talk for one hour with her he didn't want any sex just talk,some other guys have become too drunk and after getting back to apartment have paid girl money then fallen asleep for rest of night,most of the girls on an average night will have no problem in finding guys who will pay 300 dollars for 2 hours,but in reality the girl never stays that long,if guy has paid for 2 hours then it equals only 60 minutes to most of the girls there,once man has come once then girl will look to have shower and then get ready to go,if it is early in night still they will want to get back to pick up another guy. She says that girls are making large sums of money that is given to different family members,as well as girl spends money on herself,if any family member asks about money girl just says that she has found good job in company that pays well.
Many business people passing through Kiev use RP and are not worried about haggling on prices which is making it difficult for any normal guy who hasn't got that sort of money to throw around. Don't like the place so much now myself,when i first went to Kiev back last year i thought i was in some sort of paradise,but now would rather hit the clubs or cafes around Kiev,much more fun in the chase and sex is so much better as well.
I will go back to Kiev in January,but this time i have very nice girlfriend waiting for me who i found on this last trip.It seems to me that river palace is ok, if you can find girl who only goes there once in a while or any new girl in Kiev for weekend arrives there,if not then you are left with nearly all the same faces who go there everynight and once they have your money are ready to quickly get you off so they can get taxi back to RP to find another customer.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Doctor_Skank
12-17-07, 08:26
I didn't mean online at all. I'm a 100% offline guy. Which is a little weird for an IT consultant perhaps, but I've always felt that a real man will show his balls and make a face to face approach. If two humans can't say Hi directly then what is the world coming to?
By lead generation I mean getting a girl's phone number in a bar or club. Which in itself means you're on the back foot because you haven't managed to get her home there and then.
Whether face to face or online, it's still a numbers game IMHO. On first or second dates you never know if it's a waste of time or going to lead to a score until you are pulling her pants off. I mix both... when going to a new city I use online contacts to get the ball rolling... some of which pan out into gold and some of which are a waste of time. By 3-4 days in country you usually have more than enough leads to pursue anyway.
Street game is still the bigger challenge, much more ballsy than online or club/bar lead generation.
Getting girls to come home with you straight from the club still happens, but depending on the circumstances "just" getting a number is often as good as you'll do on opening night. Especially in smaller cities or clubs that girls often frequent, sometimes she can't go home with you. Particularly in the smaller cities girls have reputations to protect and don't like to be seen leaving the club with some foreign guy they just met. She's a completely different animal in a different environment.
I'll often find that girls who are somewhat subdued or overly cautious in the club can be wild animals behind closed doors... and sometimes it's just the opposite, crazy dancing sexy girls turning out to be very conservative in a different setting. Obviously it's the same online... you can get quite far online, but it means very little in comparison to how the real dates go.
When leaving Kiev I thought why do not stay (if available) with the MT? So I had already phoned her and she even asked for some pics by mail, so I sent them.
She arrived and was very nice, no problem, making a lot of sex and drinking wine and eating cheese: she wanted a lot of pics for her “portfolio”, she wants to be a porn star or to marry a guy (strange or not?). She want even to work for an agency (???). So I think she is a little bit mad!
By the way we made a lot of pics (soon post 30 in pic section, so you can see the dress and the room are the same of Inga (nailed before for two days!).
When she gets drunk (just a little) she still makes an outstanding BBBJ, and then gave me the coice of CIM, COF or COB (not so much there!). I went for COF, while she is handcuffed on the bed and (despite she was not so willing) to pic her with COF… :D
We even tried a small plug of my assortment, but she said she is not any more in to anal! :( She was always complying on her face on the pics. Not photogenic (she is very photogenic in doggy! :D)
Her body is as remembered: skinny 163/46 with no china bone skin, more tanned, and a nice unshaven pussy. She seems still allergic to water! Still stinking a little (just a little bit) of sweat.
She was very nice and excited with the sexy waiter dress! So I thought I can leave it to her (60 € at Beate Uhse). In the morning we made again a lot of sex (but no BBBJ) and a nice time. She was sleeping on the sofa on ground she said I was snoring too much!
At the end she went away round 10 a.m. (arrived 11 p.m.) Total damage 300 $ and a bottle of Chianti for 110 UAH.
Before coming she phoned me if I had condoms, of course… and when leaving me she phoned again telling she had a present and look in the fridge: the big box of Beluga I brought was away! The pig! The thieve! She said me I hurt her with pics! She was asking for some use and she even got a USB pendrive with all the copies, of course she well knows I’m using them here and I know at least five members asking me for the phone number. Instaed of being happy she stole my ikra! :(
In my opinion it was due to the things I said, referred from Bez, of course he has no responsibility, but looking on a 10-20 seconds grim face they must be true!
So I will not more give away the Mystery Tramp number!
And if you go with her BE AWARE OF YOUR BELONGINS!!!
By the way she has also a page on flirt (or whatever, the data base is the same!): http://www.flirt.com.ua/sweetmail-a5346/
IT
Look soon at photo section...
AColonizer
12-17-07, 11:20
Kiev1 and IT Travel, great reports! you are lucky guys with gorgeous experiences. there are some shadows, too, but they are part of slavic culture that every monger has to know about.
It travel, It travel.... so it is true - it always ends in tears.
And so ends one of ISG's longest lasting love affairs, MT and IT, no longer to dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s.
Any hope for a New Year's, "let's make up, session" ?
Enjoy and get back up and at 'em, IT.
Shes even added your picture to her flirt profile!!!!
None of her eating the black stuff though ;o))
Explorer69
12-17-07, 20:50
Kiev1,
Nice to see that you enjoy, Kiev1. Maybe we can meet again in January? What you report here is exactly in agreement with my feeling after our joint trip there. I wrote about this very hot girl with whom I spent 3 nights, and what you tell me echos what she said: that she easily could make USD 6-800 many/most nights - either 2 guys short time or one allnighter.
Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson
as i am a turk, i often feel the deep hatred of the european males' whenever i tried to talk to the about anything (sex, politics, mpney, culture etc.)everything they bring comes to some f. ng six hundred years ago some of my forefathers revaged some parts of europe. they always forget how many times they made mess of the other parts of the world. they have butchered, slaughtered almost every nation, race in the world apart from turks. they have never had a chance to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) turkish nation. this is the reason which lies under deep subconscience of the european male who dislikes or hates turks. incompitence is the word. we turks, like yourselves, love women company. some of us like yourselves are idiots who don't know how to tread women. some of us ignorant fools, like yourselves, has no clue about what other's feelings. we, like youselves, are humanbeigns who can make mistakes. and we are in the 21st century and let's enjoy what god has given us and forget the past. live in peace. i don't care what my forefathers did. i care what i do. this forum is for mongering not for some idiotic racism discussions.
Jackson is right. There are so many gorgeous single women in Ukraine, and five guys regular posters can't stop arguing.. turkish, frensh, american, GDP.. what difference does it make? Come on already.
Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson
Newbie to Kiev looking for a reliable guide for my upcoming trip. For meeting locals girls on the street/setting up dates/agency girls ect...
I do not speak Russian so may have a bit of a difficult time getting around or is using a guide just unnecessary? Do you guys typically stay in the apartments or hotel. Any recommendations would be appreciated
Explorer69
12-18-07, 08:20
Newbie to Kiev looking for a reliable guide for my upcoming trip. For meeting locals girls on the street/setting up dates/agency girls ect...
I do not speak Russian so may have a bit of a difficult time getting around or is using a guide just unnecessary? Do you guys typically stay in the apartments or hotel. Any recommendations would be appreciatedRob Hay,
Please read the forum here closely, most of your questions are answered before. And go for an apartment, not hotel!
Newbie to Kiev looking for a reliable guide for my upcoming trip. For meeting locals girls on the street/setting up dates/agency girls ect...
I do not speak Russian so may have a bit of a difficult time getting around or is using a guide just unnecessary? Do you guys typically stay in the apartments or hotel. Any recommendations would be appreciatedMeeting girls on the street will be difficult.In fact in Kiev center and metro will be a disappointing experience.You have to move to suburbs and there you need russian.
You should have prearranged some contacts through internet personals,let's say 10-15 girls to meet when you come.Of them half will meet you and one third-one fourth of the ones you met will want to sleep with you on second-third date.
Clubs for picking up are Carribean,Kaif.Of course you can try PatiPa,Decadence as well.This discussion has already been made in the forum.
You will use taxi most of the time,cause in metro you have to pay attention to thieves.And you will have to move quickly from date to date,you will have to move at night when there is no public transportation,so I doubt about the use of the map.You need to learn some basic russian words and expressions before you come.
Hotels in Kiev are mostly(80%) old soviet style and rather expensive for what they offer.Most foreigners stay in apartments and the prices they pay vary.Personally I have found an apartment that costs 60-70$(which is considered low price in the center).Most owners want that you pay by western Union beforehand for the appartment.So the situation is a little tricky because when you caome they may say that the appartment you chose is already booked and will offer you another apartment.There are many tricks with the appartments,so I let regular travellers inform you about this subject.
it always ends in tears.
What can you mean, Mr. Excess? :)
Doctor_Skank
12-18-07, 20:08
Yeah.. it always ends in tears.
Meeting girls on the street will be difficult.In fact in Kiev center and metro will be a disappointing experience.You have to move to suburbs and there you need russian.
You should have prearranged some contacts through internet personals,let's say 10-15 girls to meet when you come.Of them half will meet you and one third-one fourth of the ones you met will want to sleep with you on second-third date.
Clubs for picking up are Carribean,Kaif.Of course you can try PatiPa,Decadence as well.This discussion has already been made in the forum.
You will use taxi most of the time,cause in metro you have to pay attention to thieves.And you will have to move quickly from date to date,you will have to move at night when there is no public transportation,so I doubt about the use of the map.You need to learn some basic russian words and expressions before you come.
Hotels in Kiev are mostly(80%) old soviet style and rather expensive for what they offer.Most foreigners stay in apartments and the prices they pay vary.Personally I have found an apartment that costs 60-70$(which is considered low price in the center).Most owners want that you pay by western Union beforehand for the appartment.So the situation is a little tricky because when you caome they may say that the appartment you chose is already booked and will offer you another apartment.There are many tricks with the appartments,so I let regular travellers inform you about this subject.
Thanks for help ;)
IT
Yeah.. it always ends in tears.
Just 20 cm higher.... :D
IT
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