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Hello Pot, this is the Kettle calling you...
Life, there is an extremely important reason why I don't have a lot of time to proof read my messages. What is your excuse? ;)
As far as the drugs in the drink goes, I'll have to take the word of you guys. It's never happened to me or anyone in my presence. First time I ever heard of it happening at RP. You guys should really keep a close eye on your drinks and don't be afraid to pass on a drink you lost track of.
Sorry if there are typo's in this posting. Irena is coming over in twenty and I have to clean up the mess Natasha left.
Ps. Cruise, you need to read your posts and correct the grammar!
Lifesavour has got it spot on. I think we all know the difference between being pissed and whatever happened to us! Whoever did it, did not need a reason, just a 'laugh' or something equally inane? Anyway, all now a side show, as my main reason for posting originally was to find out if any members recognise the bird in question? Called herself 'Angela' (See below for description.)
Cruiser seems to have fucked just about every girl in Kiev, so does he know her?
I have drawn a blank so far as does not seem to be a regular at RP?
Fox7717
Doctor_Skank
02-13-08, 23:32
As far as the drugs in the drink goes, I'll have to take the word of you guys. It's never happened to me or anyone in my presence. First time I ever heard of it happening at RP. You guys should really keep a close eye on your drinks and don't be afraid to pass on a drink you lost track of.
It happens. OK, it wasn't Kiev... but it was still just about the wildest 48 hours I have ever had.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=339777&postcount=2279
Thanks Bez,
I thought this site was share information which would help a fellow monger save some time and trouble.
But I understand that you don't want to do help a guy with advice or information, the pictures are because I might have even liked one of the ladies and would not have spent time working on something I did not like.
Perhaps your harsh reaction for help and advice is because this site is just letting you re live old memories when that grainy old camera of yours was new.
Thanks for nothing and KMA Bez
Maverick1
Please stop writing dumb private messages asking me for pictures, that you can use, because you are in Kiev.
Why the hell would anyone need to use a picture, because they are in Kiev?
What the fuck does that even mean?
Get bent!
Buy your own camera, fuck your own tramps, and take your own fotos.
Rohypnol, is easy to get in Ukraine as a derivative is made here.
Spiked drinks does happen, I have seen it used quite a few times here in the east.
So the stories are quite real I think.
The long and short is we all should be careful when out drinking.
I normally get to that stage on my second bottle of hortiza.
Mav1 I agree I also thought it was a forum for information sharing and help for each other.
Get yourself registered on lovemy you get some really great contact and pictures off there!
Bez Bezarra
02-14-08, 13:05
has Bez thought his information would help a fellow monger
some understand that you don't help a guy with a dic like one of the ladies wankers
this site is just old grany cameras
KMA Bez
Maverick1
My oh my.
I guess if I really did send you some fotos, it would have been a big mistake, since it wouldn't have helped you anyway, and you get easliy offended when challenged to think independently. Don't feel bad about that, you have lots in common with many whiners and complainers here.
Maybe you can find something old here to kiss yourself.
I'm not saying that people don't spiked drinks. I know it used to be a national past time in EE when the curtain came down in the 90's. I know a dweeb who took a little side trip to Cezhoslovakia with a rented German car. Went to the local pub to order a beer - un pils bitte. And had two very beautiful girls pick him up. Which should of been a big red flag to him (he looks like a fat George Lucas - well George Lucas is a fat George Lucas now too). He thought he stuck gold. Instead he woke up two hours later in the pub in his socks, pants and shirt. They had taken his shoes, wallet, watch (cell phone what?), leather jacket and car keys. He actually ended up getting arrest by the local police because they caught him trying to break into his own rental car. Too funny.
But anyways, the next time you guys are in River Palace discretely take a look around. You will notice that someone is always discretely keeping an eye on everything that is going on. That is why I am surprised something like this happned at RP. The local regulars (girls) know better then to try something like this, at the very least they will end up getting banned. Did you cut into anyone's action Fox?
I know three Angela's in Kiev. Keep going back to RP - who knows, you might bump into her again.
Message for Bio Junkie
Enjoyed the report and photo of 'Alexandra' posted 19/1/08
I saw her at RP over a couple of nights when I was there in mid-January.
A real babe. Was tempted as she spent ages eying me up! Almost did and then I spotted 'Angela' as described in my post a few days ago. Do you know her?
Cheers!
Fox7717
I'm not that bothered about 'spiking incident' all par for the course! (I did not have time to cut into someone else's action!)
Was far more pissed off that I missed round 2 with Angela and maybe her cute friend too! Would have made a pretty picture!
You say you know 3 Angela's? Does my description sound like any of them?
Appreciated, although would not blame you for keeping quiet as she's so hot!!
Fox7717
They had taken his shoes, wallet, watch (cell phone what?), leather jacket and car keys
He should've been able to buy all his stuff back at the market the next day
Nistelrooy
02-15-08, 00:04
No need for Mongers to argue amongst themselves (re: Bez v. Maverick). I think mostly everyone makes a good contribution here. I frequent the site for both advice, suggestions and ofcourse the pics are great! So Bez, keep doing your thing!
Bez Bezarra
02-15-08, 04:17
They had taken his shoes, wallet, watch (cell phone what?), leather jacket and keys.
I thought the checklist was "spectacles, testicals, wallet and watch. oh bugger!"
I did 2 short business trips of less tha 48 hours in the past 2 weeks. I found anyway the time to date Lena, a very hottie 23 y.o. student, that firmly refused to stay with me after midnight in the past days ("I'm afdraid you disappear after having sex", "I'm a serious girl", "I need to be really interested in someone before making love", bla bla bla). Following the practical rule that if you don't go to bed after 3 dates, the effort ahead to reach the target is too much I decided to pass over and to sign her in the "losses" (time + iPod + fancy dinners + taxi + etc. etc.)
I arrived yesterday night and probably told her previously about my schedule because she texted me a good night, while I was checkin in at my hotel. I told her that actually I needed to do some clubbing, maybe RP, and that I was going to go out, as I don't need always to go to bed alone and at midnight like her. She got very upset of course, but after 5 min she texted to stay at the hotel as she was coming.
Wild wild night and "sweet" breakfast followed! :D
I continue to be surprised by these devushkas!
I thought the checklist was "spectacles, testicals, wallet and watch. oh bugger!"
Beeehaaave Bex Bezarra.
Geez Fox, there are about a zillion beautiful girls in Kiev, don't get hung up on just one. I always pass on the phone numbers of girls I am with if someone asks for it, if you have the game to take a girl away from me more power to you. I certainly wouldn't hold out on the number of a RP girl.
T66, staying at the Hyatt will make certain girls very interested in you. Use it to your advantage. However it's debatable whether they are 'cheaper' then RP girls or more value packed. Out of the 50 or so girls I’ve fucked on this trip a RP girl rings the bell at #1 for sex, best BJ was given by a freebie tho and by free, I don’t think I’ve spent more then $200 on this girl in the year I’ve known her.
I'm with you on the words of wisdom Cruiser. (Nearly been caught twice! )
Would love 'round 2' but as you say, Kiev just knee deep in fit women!
In my experience RP always has a good choice. Makes me laugh that some of the people here seem to think theres any sort of skill involved! LOL.
As you know, I have just joined. Spent some time looking through photos today. With so many fit girls, why do so many choose average or ugly for the sake of saving $50? ! Pretty does not guarantee a great time, no more than average? ! (Why so obsessed with cost? )
I have only ever stayed at Premier Palace. What's the story with the wildly expensive new lap dance club on the top (6th? ) floor? Awesome women, but looks VERY expensive and a rip off like (too) many? Looks like you could spend $1, 500 before any take out is on offer!
Fox7717
I would like to know where do the working class men in Kiev go for sex services? This is a country where the average worker makes $150 dollars a month (750 hryvnias). I doubt they are going to River Palace.
I am not sure what planet you have been on for the last five years but that was just about the last time Kiev wages may have been $150 per month. Right now average wages are $600-$750, much more in some specialities.
As for a laborer, he may be getting much more. There really is a labor shortage in some areas and construction and "home renovation" workers are in extremely high demand. These guys really rake it in.
I do not even think that even in the provinces people make $150 anymore. That really is about the right "normal" amount for a pension.
As for cheap services, the best in a brothel is about $80 for the hour. You can get less sometimes, but that would be $60 and no less.
There is another option but that is both dangerous and only for locals. Where the Ring Road and Prospekt Podedy meet, and at a few underground passgaeways on the lft bank (a moveable feast due to police action) you do have the drugged-out, disease-infected h@@kers.
I have passed by and seen this sore on the landscape, never stopping. It is not worth the risk, these are for those so desperate that there is no pleasure in sex, just release of needs.
If you cannnot afford $80, which locals pay as well, then do not even think about coming here.
And as for Maverick, you have not shared one bit of information with us in all your posts and you supposedly live here? You beg for information and for photos? You have to be nominated for the "Biggest Loser" category in the Kiev Monger Contest will be held later this year at River Palace.
Uke, oh great information god of Kiev please do not be offended.:) But you can still find internet girls for $60. You can also find working girls near the park just pass Victory Square. Also I have seen more then one or two good looking girl 'working' on Khreshatic during the recent spring like (over for now) weather. Including one very good looking girl I saw at the corner of Khreshatic and Schevchanko w/ two gf's. If I didn't already have a girl with me I would have introduced myself. Note to all, this does not mean you will find swarms of working girls on Khreshatic or any at all. It's an occasional occurance but with the rapid increasing of prices and inflation in Kiev...
Fox, if you want to go to a strip club where there is lots of eye candy and moderately expensive go to one of the Rhino clubs. There is absolutely no take out but it will be much less expensive then PP. How much are the bar girls charging at PP these days? And are they still super hot? Also, if it was me and I was spending $xxx/night for a hotel room I would be staying at the Hyatt, although IMHO PP does have a better location.
As far as River Palace goes, there is indeed no skill in walking up to a girl and saying 'how much'. The skill comes in getting an 8+ for $200/night. If T66 is free tonight I would be more then happy to demonstrate. :)
Lifesavour has got it spot on. I think we all know the difference between being pissed and whatever happened to us! Whoever did it, did not need a reason, just a 'laugh' or something equally inane? Anyway, all now a side show, as my main reason for posting originally was to find out if any members recognise the bird in question? Called herself 'Angela' (See below for description.)
Cruiser seems to have fucked just about every girl in Kiev, so does he know her?
I have drawn a blank so far as does not seem to be a regular at RP?
Fox7717So my first time at kalinka malinka (less then a month ago) I was with my ukrainian friend (guy) who had 2 beers and was drunk. 2 beers. Next morning he woke up and was a zombie all day. I thought he drank something before but now I'm starting to think this happened to him. Funny this was brought up.
I would like to know where do the working class men in Kiev go for sex services? This is a country where the average worker makes $150 dollars a month (750 hryvnias). I doubt they are going to River Palace.
When was the last time you went to kiev? have you not seen perhaps people may be earning more than $150 a month these days even bloody miners in Donetsk earn $500 now!
By official statistics the average wages stand now at 300$ per month for the whole Ukraine and 505$ for Kiev city.To do a comparison in 1999 they were 45$ for the whole Ukraine and in 2003 just 87$.
In Moscow they have surpassed 1100$ per month since July and in Russia on average they stand in 600$ per month.Wages in Russia in 1999 were like Ukraine's in 2003 and wages in Ukraine now are like russian wages in 2004-2005.So we can suppose that Ukraine lags 3 years behind Russia regarding wages which means that after three years the average wages in Ukraine will stand at the level in which they are now in Russia with Kiev surpassing the 1000$ per month limit.
If you read the 2004 reports from Moscow you get an idea of the today's situation in Kiev.
Orange Leo
02-16-08, 13:02
Link to Official salary static in Ukraine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_oblasts_and_territories_by_salary
If you then look at some Western companies accountes. You will see they opereated with big loos in Ukraine. It is not uncommend that in some copanies half of the produktions is stolen. then put that to official static salary and the living conditions is not as bad as many think.
Telos: I think the 'dodgy' drinks are more common than we thought?
Cruiser: I have not noticed many bar girls at PP and the few I saw were very average. Guess the management are not so keen to let them in hoping more punters will go to club on 6th floor? Had a quick look last time and all girls looked 9 or 10's but drinks and take out loopy expensive!
RP usually about $300 for 2-3 hours which is fine by me. Usually go for hottest girl in the place. Not bothered about saving $50 or getting another hour, as in my experience a freebie to follow is very doable if you treat them well and I don't mean buying stuff for them!! (The fittest girls are often amateurs too?)
I would NEVER pick some SW!!! Yuck.
Fox77177
There are estimations that the size of hidden economy surpasses 70% of the obvious economy.So maybe real wages are 50% higher than the official data but my opinion is that hidden wages reflect only rich minority incomes leading to an extreme inequality of income distribution in Ukraine.
Fox, PP used to have some of the finest lobby working girls and some fugly girl working the strip club. Perhaps things have reversed themselves.
The girls asking for $300 at RP are not amateurs . Occasionally you bump into one at RP but that is a rare occurrence. I am sure your $300 for 2-3 hours is more like $300 for an hour. The are 3-4 cliques working RP and I'm sure word has already spread about you if like you said upon arriving you head for the nearest girl you consider attractive. The girls probably already consider you a mark and I doubt you will be getting much freebie action. If you want to meet at RP tonight for a battle of the Expat Ho Masters let me know. The contest will be quality, quantity and price. Want to bet I can pull two girls for the price of your one girl for at least twice the time? A little gunfight at the Ho K corral? This is how real men settle their differences in Kiev! Not flaming each other on ISG. I am so bad the girls at Nightflight in Moscow get wet when they hear my name based on the stories the visting Ukrainian girls have told them. Are you sure you want to take this on? :)
As far as RP girls being cleaner then street girls, you are just fooling yourself. Statistically speaking the percentages are extremely close. High risk sex with prostitutes is high risk regardless. The street girls are just more likely to have the hard core needle sharing diseases (HIV-Hep). While the RP girls are more likely to have the gentler social diseases (HSV-HPV). Not to sound grim or anything but that is reality. Our hobby isn't exactly building model ships.
Fox are you another casual first timer to Kiev who stays at PP and goes to RP and is going to tell me how it really is?
T66, staying at the Hyatt will make certain girls very interested in you. Use it to your advantage. However it's debatable whether they are 'cheaper' then RP girls or more value packed. Out of the 50 or so girls I’ve fucked on this trip a RP girl rings the bell at #1 for sex, best BJ was given by a freebie tho and by free, I don’t think I’ve spent more then $200 on this girl in the year I’ve known her.
The concept of "cheaper" depends on situation. When I'm in Kiev, I'm on my firm's expense note, so I don't care about hotel, restaurant or clubs bills. I use all of this to my full advantage. :-D
Last time the girl I dated was attracted by my iPod and I gave it to her... Even in this case I had just to use few of my frequent flyer miles in the Lufthansa shop on my way back to get another one...
Do I spoil devushkas? Maybe... But this doesn't affect seriously my pockets and give me huge amount of great sex. So what?
I think I'm quite an interesting 40 y.o. man, able to share a very good lifestyle when I'm in UA. I seem to be a good target and this attracts hotties here in UA more than in ever other place. Few promised me to show me how much good girlfriend they could be .... In their mind this means upscale sex for upscale life... It's in their DNA :D.
RP girls are the same... Fox you are right! Treat them well, bring them in a good restaurant the day after and you'll get the second night for free (and a proposal of holiday together). In this case even if I pay 3-400$ the first night, on the average I reach CD outcash... My skills are still far from his.... but should I consider myself getting a bit closer? :D
Fox, PP is not anymore the top of the crop. Hyatt impresses a lot more. If you are on corporate expenses I would recommend it. Hyatt is also girlfriendly so far and you have nobody approaching you for tips and registering girls like in Radisson or PP.
The strip club in PP is a total rip-off. You need to pay overpriced champagne and then $500 for a quicky with the girls. They cannot go lower due to the fees they need to give back to their managers. So you are right $1000-1500 is the minimum requirement. Never tried, because for this money you can find a crowd of even better looking gals wherever you want. In general I think that stripclubs in Kiev are no-sense
Good luck to everybody!
Fox, PP used to have some of the finest lobby working girls and some fugly girl working the strip club. Perhaps things have reversed themselves.
The girls asking for $300 at RP are not ammeters. Occasionally you bump into one at RP but that is a rare occurrence. I am sure your $300 for 2-3 hours is more like $300 for an hour. The are 3-4 cliques working RP and I'm sure word has already spread about you if like you said upon arriving you head for the nearest girl you consider attractive. The girls probably already consider you a mark and I doubt you will be getting much freebie action. If you want to meet at RP tonight for a battle of the Expat Ho Masters let me know. The contest will be quality, quantity and price. Want to bet I can pull two girls for the price of your one girl for at least twice the time? A little gunfight at the Ho K corral? This is how real men settle their differences in Kiev! Not flaming each other on ISG. I am so bad the girls at Nightflight in Moscow get wet when they hear my name. Are you sure you want to take this on? :)
As far as RP girls being cleaner then street girls, you are just fooling yourself. Statistically speaking the percentages are extremely close. High risk sex with prostitutes is high risk regardless. The street girls are just more likely to have the hard core needle sharing diseases (HIV-Hep). While the RP girls are more likely to have the gentler social diseases (HSV-HPV). Not to sound grim or anything but that is reality. Our hobby isn't exactly building model ships.
Fox are you another casual first timer to Kiev who stays at PP and goes to RP and is going to tell me how it really is?
I was 3-4 times in PP in more than one year ago, First time I was in Kiev the first p4p girls I saw were in the lobby there and they were really stunning looking... I understand who loses his head in front of them at the first arrival. I was among them.
After some days in Kiev I understood thay are just medium-high average in Kiev and that comparable are available almost for free (after some effort...) everywhere
CD, quantity and price are clear perfromance indicator. But can you expalin which are the criteria to assess and compare quality? Unfortunately I have to wait for a week more to participate (and lose) to such contest
There was anger when the girls asked for new mobiles.
Now the mongers give them ipods.
Evolution.
Missed you at the Super Bowl Party, but thanks for the Information.
As for the insult, My how some people's balls grow sooo big when the write on the internet! ;-) Guess it makes up for the lack of balls in the real world. ;-)
No worry, I am a lover not a fighter. I don't even get mad, not even, just ahead. ;-)
Julia is from RP, nice girl and well worth the money. Some are worth it because they work for it, like Julia, some at RP are over charging at any price.
My nomination for Biggest Loser category are the so called big dick talking jerks who must resort to acting tuff over the internet to make up for their little dicks in the real world!!!!! ;-)
I do want to thank the few guys from this site that did make it to RP for the Superbowl party because they have been what I see this site should be, a place to share information and make friends, not beat our chest, or lack thereof.
This is site should not be a place to insult each other which just shows what a little wanker some really have. ;-)
You have to be nominated for the "Biggest Loser" category in the Kiev Monger Contest will be held later this year at River Palace.[/QUOTE]
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Greetings Maverick1,
It appears that you inadvertently forgot to correctly place the quote tags in this report. Usually I can fix this sort of thing before it's displayed, but I don't have a clue as to how you intended this report to appear.
The quote tags are simple to use, all you have to do is look for them in the text. Anything that you want to appear in quotes must start with "[quote]" and end with "[/quote ]". Please note the "/" forward slash in the last tag. It's that simple.
In addition, you can preview your report before it's posted, so it's easy to check if you got it right before it's displayed in The Forum.
Thanks,
Jackson
Fox, PP used to have some of the finest lobby working girls and some fugly girl working the strip club. Perhaps things have reversed themselves.
The girls asking for $300 at RP are not ammeters. Occasionally you bump into one at RP but that is a rare occurrence. I am sure your $300 for 2-3 hours is more like $300 for an hour. The are 3-4 cliques working RP and I'm sure word has already spread about you if like you said upon arriving you head for the nearest girl you consider attractive. The girls probably already consider you a mark and I doubt you will be getting much freebie action. If you want to meet at RP tonight for a battle of the Expat Ho Masters let me know. The contest will be quality, quantity and price. Want to bet I can pull two girls for the price of your one girl for at least twice the time? A little gunfight at the Ho K corral? This is how real men settle their differences in Kiev! Not flaming each other on ISG. I am so bad the girls at Nightflight in Moscow get wet when they hear my name. Are you sure you want to take this on? :)
As far as RP girls being cleaner then street girls, you are just fooling yourself. Statistically speaking the percentages are extremely close. High risk sex with prostitutes is high risk regardless. The street girls are just more likely to have the hard core needle sharing diseases (HIV-Hep). While the RP girls are more likely to have the gentler social diseases (HSV-HPV). Not to sound grim or anything but that is reality. Our hobby isn't exactly building model ships.
Fox are you another casual first timer to Kiev who stays at PP and goes to RP and is going to tell me how it really is?
Cruiser I will be in RP tonight, how will I recognise you? apart from being the best looking most muscularly defined dude who has the most babes hanging on to his every word.
T66, I look forward to going to River Palace with you when you get back. Quality is subjective looks and subjective sexual enjoyment. We can discuss it over drinks at RP. :)
T, I may or may not being going to RP tonight. Something else came up, actually two something else's..both named Natalia, who are not to be confused with Natalia from lunch or the Natalia I just got off a date with. RP is generally a spur of the moment thing for me but if I do make plans to go ahead of time I will be sure to let you know. Seriously T, you know any other Expat or foreigner in Kiev who has his own groupies? But hey, we all have our wants. I am still looking for the mythical 10 like Don Quixote maybe I am on a futile quest. But I sure am having fun.
Twelve more days and I will be back to my trusted steed Rocinante, my taxi in NYC.
Cruiser. There must be 2 of you? How do you monger on such an epic scale and find time for a little work, as your name crops up all over the forum so often? Same for Bez Bezzara. Do you know each other? Anyway, things may well have reversed at PP as lobby girls not up to much and not about to get ripped off at a club any time soon. (Been there many years ago.) I have no doubts you are the master at RP or anywhere else. No challenge. I do not usually believe much the girls tell you as most lie like a dog breathes in and out? Incidentally, I don't head straight for the hottest girl immediately, but take an hour or so to make a decision after a chat to a few. I accept your points about RP girls and the health risks and it is personal choice, but (to me) a SW is just not an option! Enjoy the seeking Don Quixote!
Tonit66. Glad you agree about RP girls. Despite CD comments, the 'system' for freebies usually works and it seems you have been successful too? (Especially with girls who have not become hardened.) I LOL about the girls suggesting a holiday together! As most try this line given half a chance! I have done this once (Maldives) and it was excellent if expensive. For example, I did not think it was possible to fuck up a tree. Anyway..after a week, I'd had my fill. I pay for my own trips as I work for me. You are so right, why get ripped off at strip clubs etc, when the place is full of fit poon anyway?!
To you both. Quality, performance and price are of course all very subjective. Some are happy with a $10 BJ from some dog rough SW and some want Miss World for the same price or whatever they believe she is worth. (I have seen $30,000/week quoted on the web for a famous 'pornstar' 'celebrity' or 'model' I guess it's simply a matter of what floats your boat, what you can afford, or how you like to operate. Pays yer money (or not) and makes yer choice. Who am I or anyone else to say you are doing it right or wrong? Just enjoy.
Anyway Cruiser.......Do you know 'Angela' or not?
Fox7717
Bez Bezarra
02-18-08, 02:31
How do you monger on such an epic scale and find time for a little work, as your name crops up all over the forum so often?
Same for Bez Bezzara. Do you know each other?
To you both. Quality, performance and price are of course all very subjective. I guess it's simply a matter of what floats your boat, what you can afford, or how you like to operate. Pays yer money (or not) and makes yer choice.
Who am I or anyone else to say you are doing it right or wrong?
Listen Foxy-
Do not compare me and CD. He is there much more than I.
I am no epic anything! All I've done is make 18 voyages to the motherland, which qualifies me for nothing.
I call 'em like I see 'em. That's all.
CD has an opinion about everything, not me. I am merely a simple monger with a flair for the absurd. That's my story and I'm sticky to it. Get it right or get bent, and have a cold rainy day.
Shalava lachutra!
Can I do both? ;)
I do want to thank the few guys from this site that did make it to RP for the Superbowl party because they have been what I see this site should be, a place to share information and make friends, not beat our chest, or lack thereof.
Work, what’s that?
You actually listen to what a girl is saying? You are one step ahead of me.
STD’s are just a part of the lifestyle for the girls and us. I like to minimize my risks by making sure everything is covered. It’s extremely easy to get HPV or HSV. Uncovered sex is only for someone I trust even then it’s after a visit to the doctor. Oh am I am not fooling myself by thinking that by using safe sex practices I am going to be 100% protected. My point is the chances of getting HPV or HSV from an RP girl as opposed to HIV or Hep from a street girl are actually somewhat higher. Also don't take this as me saying that SW's are better then RP girls or such. My chances of kissing a RP girl, Decadance girl, stripclub girl or SW on the lips (either) is the same, zero.
What’s a ‘freebie’ when you are spending a few hundred dollars on her? Might be easier to go to RP and get a girl for $200-$300, yes?
Yes, yes..but my contention has been (and I’ve said it a hundred times) why come to Kiev (and put up with all the crap) when you can stay home and pay the same for p4p girls? For the traveling business man (T66) I understand, you are here – why not.
There is no Angela RP in my phone book, so if I do know her it isn’t from the Boat.
Cruiser. There must be 2 of you? How do you monger on such an epic scale and find time for a little work,
I do not usually believe much the girls tell you as most lie like a dog breathes in and out?
I accept your points about RP girls and the health risks and it is personal choice, but (to me) a SW is just not an option! Enjoy the seeking Don Quixote!
Despite CD comments, the 'system' for freebies usually works and it seems you have been successful too? (Especially with girls who have not become hardened.)
I guess it's simply a matter of what floats your boat, what you can afford, or how you like to operate. Pays yer money (or not) and makes yer choice. Who am I or anyone else to say you are doing it right or wrong? Just enjoy.
Anyway Cruiser.......Do you know 'Angela' or not?
Fox7717
Here is the best sms of my trip so far from Ksenia “I ne ed and want to be one woman for love and for life.. Fo r sex my man can have how much he or we want and ne ed . And I need to know about all that woman. I want to feel safety.” Gotta love the FSU.
Come on Bez, time to come clean, they have smoked us out. Yes, Bez is your father Luke.
There was anger when the girls asked for new mobiles.
Now the mongers give them ipods.
Evolution.
See it a s a good new!
An old iPod that costs a hundred bucks for 2 night of wild wild sex is still a good deal for me. As CD pointed out I come often to UA, but I'm always in a hurry (working on business during the day and never staying for more than 2-3 days), so I have to push hard and show candies to the girl here.
The only performance indicator I care is the quantity of good sex... not the ratio laid down/price
Kiev is not less expensive than any other WE capital, at least for me. What makes Kiev great are the number of "freebies" around and the way devushka fuck.
Tonit66. Glad you agree about RP girls. Despite CD comments, the 'system' for freebies usually works and it seems you have been successful too? (Especially with girls who have not become hardened.) I LOL about the girls suggesting a holiday together! As most try this line given half a chance! I have done this once (Maldives) and it was excellent if expensive. For example, I did not think it was possible to fuck up a tree. Anyway..after a week, I'd had my fill. I pay for my own trips as I work for me. You are so right, why get ripped off at strip clubs etc, when the place is full of fit poon anyway?!
To you both. Quality, performance and price are of course all very subjective. Some are happy with a $10 BJ from some dog rough SW and some want Miss World for the same price or whatever they believe she is worth. (I have seen $30,000/week quoted on the web for a famous 'pornstar' 'celebrity' or 'model' I guess it's simply a matter of what floats your boat, what you can afford, or how you like to operate. Pays yer money (or not) and makes yer choice. Who am I or anyone else to say you are doing it right or wrong? Just enjoy.
Quality matters more than price! Fox, there's no benchmarking on time at RP. it's all about chemistry. If a girl comes close and just tells "300$ for an hour" it's a clear no go, even if she's the hottiest around. If she is able to make some jokes, have fun conversation, touch letting you feel the vibe, I go ahead and honestly don't care about 100$ more or less.
I don't think there are girl "hardened" and "not hardened". I saw RP girls behaving hard with me and soft with other customer and viceversa... It's always matter of chemistry, and you can easily see if they approach you with just a business mindset or open for some fun.
Anyway I wouldn't ever go to Maldive with an RP girl... You can easily find a "good" devushka for this everywhere.
Last friday I went to Czar, with the ipod fgirlriend. Incredible view! Worth to go just for filling the eyes. I don't think it's a place for p4p, but hot model-like bimbos were outnumbering men by far. CD could you extend the contest to places where charme matters more than in RP or Caribbean? :D
Sure T66, where ever you would like to go. Tsar, Barsky, Arena, Ahzure, Maxim, Grotesque, Decadance, PaTiPa on an over 21 night, Shooters...where ever - it all depends on what night will we go clubbing.
Clubs are generally a waste of time. But if you want to hit the scene and collect a zillion phone numbers, sure. I'll bring my side kick with me so Russian won't be a problem.
Sure T66, where ever you would like to go. Tsar, Barsky, Arena, Ahzure, Maxim, Grotesque, Decadance, PaTiPa on an over 21 night, Shooters...where ever - it all depends on what night will we go clubbing.
Clubs are generally a waste of time. But if you want to hit the scene and collect a zillion phone numbers, sure. I'll bring my side kick with me so Russian won't be a problem.
I'll let you the choice of the clubs. :D You seem more expert than me and I'm always happy to get trained.
A significant percentage of the collected phone numbers are future scores. More the numbers, more the bangs :D
Never been in Barsky, Maxim or Grotesque. I didn't like Decadence... too snobby without the right to be such. PaTiPa is a normal disco place with nice landscape. Shooters impressed me for the smell of smoked Maria. Arena is an evergreen... I've not been there since several month, but I found there any kind of phone numbers (p4p, amateurs, freebie, looking 4 love, ....) and recommend it as a place where a monger should go at least once when in Kiev.
Doctor_Skank
02-18-08, 13:43
Sure T66, where ever you would like to go. Tsar, Barsky, Arena, Ahzure, Maxim, Grotesque, Decadance, PaTiPa on an over 21 night, Shooters...where ever - it all depends on what night will we go clubbing.
Clubs are generally a waste of time. But if you want to hit the scene and collect a zillion phone numbers, sure. I'll bring my side kick with me so Russian won't be a problem.
An over-21 night? No clubs?
I like the young and impressionable kind myself... :)
Dr S, its bad enough dealing with the alcohol fueled adults. No kids please. I got two phone number from 17 year old females (unsolicited) while waiting outside the Khreshatic Metro - maybe I don't need to dye my hair? ;)
T66, You are right Arena does have every spectrum of the dyevushka rainbow, pro's, semi, sluts, candy girls, club girls, village girls, student girls, working (as in a real job) girls. Where we will go depends on the night. I might be headed down to Sevastopol next week on M-Tu-W for a few quickies.
Wow, the weather in Kiev is turning to crap. I'm glad Natasha is coming over in two hours to fuck me, maybe I can talk her into bring some food too. Maybe a taxi to Shooters later? RP?
Doctor_Skank
02-18-08, 15:24
Dr S, its bad enough dealing with the alcohol fueled adults. No kids please. I got two phone number from 17 year old females (unsolicited) while waiting outside the Khreshatic Metro - maybe I don't need to dye my hair? ;)
T66, You are right Arena does have every spectrum of the dyevushka rainbow, pro's, semi, sluts, candy girls, club girls, village girls, student girls, working (as in a real job) girls. Where we will go depends on the night. I might be headed down to Sevastopol next week on M-Tu-W for a few quickies.
Wow, the weather in Kiev is turning to crap. I'm glad Natasha is coming over in two hours to fuck me, maybe I can talk her into bring some food too. Maybe a taxi to Shooters later? RP?
I was in Shooters on a Monday night 2 weeks back (while you were still in your strip club) and I swear it was rocking. It may be the very best gig on Mon-Tues going in Kiev...most likely is actually. Caribbean Club was OK as well, all things considered. Got a phone number from a government airline stewardess that I will never call. Maybe I got the number because I danced with her fat friend when she asked. Her fat friend had been fired from the airline for being... too fat. I found the whole situation very comical, even though I kept switching from beer to whisky and back all night. Couldn't quite find my mix, but I did manage to catch my flight the next day.
Wish I was with you guys in Kiev, I am in the carousing mood. Sucks to be me today... :(
...About your views on the chemistry etc and who cares about a few $ either way if the vibe is right and she is so hot? ! Seems we operate in a similar way? Incidentally, I did not go to Maldives with RP girl but a Kiev girl living in Dubai. Usual line about "why not have a holiday together" and I thought what the hell you have to try new stuff. Anyway, she paid for most of her fare and I fucked myself stupid/bandy for a week in a stunning location. All it cost me was meals, drinks and a few cheap trinkets. No regrets! Must give Czar a try when next in Kiev, hopefully within the next 2-3 weeks.
I am not hooked on this Angela girl. Simply that after a month away from Kiev, I would definitely like round 2. Not often you find such a cute petite 10?
Looks are not always critical. One of my best ever (in London) was a skinny half Jamaican girl with no tits or ass (age about 25) On paper not great at 5 or 6 out of 10, but my God was she sexy and hot in the sack!
If not, there are plenty more around. Kiev is still the best in my view.
Fox7717
PS. CD: What do you mean by "crap? " I have never had any aggro in Kiev.
I was in Shooters on a Monday night 2 weeks back (while you were still in your strip club) and I swear it was rocking. It may be the very best gig on Mon-Tues going in Kiev...most likely is actually. Doc I am glad you made the plane, I vaguely remember you asking if I wanted to share a cab or stay. I had not let it loose in so long I stayed, met an Italian with several girls, went to back to my apartment with one and she asked for $150. I said "your a prostitute?" she said "I no prostitute" I said "neither am I, give me $200 and I will make you cum. ;-)" She left.
Actually I was glad because with that much booze in me it would have been nothing but wishful thinking ;-)
Shooters was hot and rockin but I did have one blond ask me if I would help her rip off the Dj's lap top so keep your wallet hidden, as always in this otherwise honest City of Kiev ;-)
Ewww, I'd rather hook up with a street girl in Odessa then a Ukrainian girl 'living in Dubai'. What's the difference between her and a RP girl. RP is probably where she got her start. Take a girl on a vacation? You need a vacation to get away from the girls. Opps, sorry, thats me. ;)
You ever actually been to Kiev? Or are you on GHB 24/7? One has to wonder where you grew up that you find Kiev life agreeable. The crap parade begins the moment you find yourself on the tarmac in Borispil instead of walking down a jetway.
... Maldives with RP girl but a Kiev girl living in Dubai.
PS. CD: What do you mean by "crap? " I have never had any aggro in Kiev.
Sevastopol1
02-19-08, 09:17
I might be headed down to Sevastopol next week on M-Tu-W for a few quickies.
Wow, the weather in Kiev is turning to crap. I'm glad Natasha is coming over in two hours to fuck me, maybe I can talk her into bring some food too. Maybe a taxi to Shooters later? RP?[/QUOTE
weather also crap in Sevastopol, snow much wind and also f-----g cold, thinking about a little trip to warmer climate!
Cd. I have visited over 75 Countries and Kiev is ok for my 3 or 4 day visits, as I have been to worse places! Remember, it's you that chooses to live there longer term and no doubt it can be crap on times. Cannot have it both ways? If Kiev/Ukraine was on par with France / Germany / Uk / Italy / Spain etc would such excellent mongering opportunities exist? After all, if Kiev etc is so crap, why do you keep going? Would you (or most of us, me included) do so well in these wealthier countries? Yeah right.
I never said the Dubai girl was better than one from RP and you are correct that she may well have been working RP before Dubai. No surprises there then! (Have you been to Dubai: I think it is well past it's best? ) Why are you always knocking mongers choices? If you are happy with an Odessa SW fine. At the other end, if some idiot wants to pay $20k for a week with a so called 'pornstar/model/celebrity' that's their choice. As they say, 'no right or wrong only an opinion? Just as pointless as saying blondes are best and anyone who likes brunettes is an idiot etc etc etc Schoolboy stuff?
I have no idea what 'GHB' stands for? (Still trying to wind me up it see?)
South America is high on my list. Have you been? Best country?
(Maybe Argentina?)
Fox7717
Sev1, If I am going to Sevastopol it won't be for the weather. Victoria, Christina, Anya and Yulia.
Fox, I do just as well in the US as I do in Kiev. The only difference being that all I do in Kiev is play with the girls - no work, no other hobbies. So when I might do 50 attractive girls in the US in a year I will do 50 attractive girls in Kiev in two months. To sum up what I don't like about Kiev is it pretends to be Western and sophisticated and it isn't. The only people who think Kiev is a fantastic city are those who have never been out of the FSU.
Actually Fox, I wasn't the one knocking choices of p4p girls - SW vs RP girls, that was you. You know I remember having very similar conversations with a guy by the name of Evils. Now that you mention it you both have a very similar writing style. I never said Kiev was horrible, you just have to put up with a lot of crap. Anyone from the West who has come here knows exactly what I am talking about.
And as that I keep coming back to Kiev. This trip has been extremely boring. It might be time to move on. Should we start a online auction for my Ukrainian phone book?
GHB is a horse tranquilizer.
I am sure, you could do 50 girls in 2 months in the US if not working etc if you put your mind to it? ! So much the same really? Who cares if Kiev "pretends to be western & sophisticated" and is not! Why is this annoying? I never do any 'sightseeing' in Kiev as I am not there for the sights and have never had any "crap" (! ) I have been to the states many times and from what I have seen, Kiev/Ukraine has 10x as many 'fit' babes! So why go? It does not sound boring as you have described it in your many posts! Eg. 4 girls to choose from in Sevastopol (! ) Come on. You'll be back, I am sure. Me too, although I do want to try S. America soon as I have met some Colombian and Argentinian girls and they were just great.
I am not knocking SW's when I said "yuck" this is just my personal view to which we are all entitled, I think we agree. Just curious, where else have you been? (My 2nd favourite is Singapore, which has many Kiev girls: surprise! )
What sort of idiot tales GHB? ! Booze and fags are enough vices for me.
No prizes for guessing, I am British.
Fox7717
PS. Who is/was "Evils?"
PaTiPa does an over 21s night? I always thought 21 was the UPPER age limit at PaTiPa. You know, I find young girls can drink truly staggering amounts of alcohol, probably because their livers are still (relatively) intact.
Cruiser, regarding your Ukrainian black book, I'll start the bidding at $50 for the three hottest dyevs in there (blonde/brunette/redhead are all fine by me, 8+ facially, not fat. I'd say N/S but that's hoping for too much). Seriously, I will be spending 5 days in Kiev at the start of May - when the weather will be perfect - and could do with a head start. Just call or SMS them to tell them what a great guy I am etc. and how they should hang out with me. Nothing works better than a personal recommendation.
Even easier money than cabbing in NYC :)
Fox, my penis isn't my compass. That is why I probably hold Kiev to a higher standard. Kiev girls are funny. Whenever they start to give me any crap (there is that word again), I hand them my mobile with the phone book open and say scroll to your name. After a few minutes they get the point. Never lost a girl doing that and it's quite the behavior modifier. When they start the 'oh, you are just here to fuck young Ukrainian girls/American (European) women suck'. I open my MySpace page and let them scroll through my friends list, I tell them 100 American girls, 4 Ukrainian girls and 2 Russian girls. They get the point, same result as with the mobile phone book.
Today's list
Nataliya - date/sex
Natalia - date
Alla - ?
Julia - date
Natalia - sex
I put that together when I started sms'ing the girls at 1030- it's 1149 now. Four girls are going to have to wait for a chance for tomorrow because they were not fast enough to confirm. $300-$500 at RP, what? Now do you understand my views on RP?
Ash, no fat girls? Ash, are you insane? You really have to mention it..? 90% of the girls I date are non smokers. For $50 you can find out what kind of mobile I carry, that's about it. ;)
DJ FourMoney
02-20-08, 14:04
I was in Shooters on a Monday night 2 weeks back (while you were still in your strip club) and I swear it was rocking. It may be the very best gig on Mon-Tues going in Kiev...most likely is actually. Caribbean Club was OK as well, all things considered. Got a phone number from a government airline stewardess that I will never call. Maybe I got the number because I danced with her fat friend when she asked. Her fat friend had been fired from the airline for being... too fat. I found the whole situation very comical, even though I kept switching from beer to whisky and back all night. Couldn't quite find my mix, but I did manage to catch my flight the next day.
Wish I was with you guys in Kiev, I am in the carousing mood. Sucks to be me today... :(
MY Exp -
112 - Mon (Okay) Tues (Dead)
Caribbean - Mon (Dead)
Shooters - Mon (Best Place!)
We got there LATE and there was still around 75-100 people at 3am, even mix of women and men as well.
112 is kaput - so take that off your list.
Shooters, Carib and River Palace are the places to be on the Mon - Tue deadzone.
The night club scene is also affected by seasonal shifts too.
Doctor_Skank
02-20-08, 15:59
Today's list
Nataliya - date/sex
Natalia - date
Alla - ?
Julia - date
Natalia - sex
Cruiser D:
Serious question: aren't you bored sick of dating?
I mean, I love sex too and enjoy the company of females in both quantity and quality, but after a week of serial dating I:
a) can't stand restaurant food or cafe drinks like cappucino anymore...
b) suffer from emotional overload resp. drain switching from one girl to the next to the next to the next to the next...
c) my dick is rubbed raw and feels like it's going to fall off
d) sometimes just feel like hanging out drinking beer and eating fries. Or sleeping.
You've been at this for weeks. Do you have two dicks?
CD: If I had the time to stay for weeks, I would no doubt use the "cruiser" method, but being only a few days at a time and usually very short notice, it is too much hassle (crap even) and waste time. I just want it easy I guess and do the tourist thing? Also, I cannot be bothered to "groom" some prospects over the net for weeks/months before I arrive.
Dr Skank: I agree with your comments and feel much the same towards the end of a trip. Usually desperate for some sleep. I also wonder how the hell CD keeps up that sort of pace? The miracle of Viagra?
(Lazy) Fox7717
Fox, my penis isn't my compass. That is why I probably hold Kiev to a higher standard. Kiev girls are funny. Whenever they start to give me any crap (there is that word again), I hand them my mobile with the phone book open and say scroll to your name. After a few minutes they get the point. Never lost a girl doing that and it's quite the behavior modifier. When they start the 'oh, you are just here to fuck young Ukrainian girls/American (European) women suck'. I open my MySpace page and let them scroll through my friends list, I tell them 100 American girls, 4 Ukrainian girls and 2 Russian girls. They get the point, same result as with the mobile phone book.
Ash, no fat girls? Ash, are you insane? You really have to mention it..? 90% of the girls I date are non smokers. For $50 you can find out what kind of mobile I carry, that's about it. ;)
Agree 100%. The fastest way to bring in my bed a "good" girl few days ago, was just telling her I was heading to RP. Devushkas are also in competition and there are not many potential sugar daddies around... So let's lverage on this
CD I do also heavy smokers.... That's why I still have a chance in Kiev, chasign what you leave around ;)
DoctorOral
02-20-08, 19:48
Shank,
Compliment for your smart statement.
I was sitting in one of the DC last night with two nonpros and they offered to come home with me. I thought that'd be fun so I agreed. It was fun. And they played around with each other and that was cool BUT.
I send them home after a while without even taking part in any of the action because I just got bored after a while from the performance. To be honest, yes, you always want what you don't have, and never want what is easy to achieve?
Doctor_Skank
02-20-08, 22:03
CD: If I had the time to stay for weeks, I would no doubt use the "cruiser" method, but being only a few days at a time and usually very short notice, it is too much hassle (crap even) and waste time. I just want it easy I guess and do the tourist thing? Also, I cannot be bothered to "groom" some prospects over the net for weeks/months before I arrive.
Dr Skank: I agree with your comments and feel much the same towards the end of a trip. Usually desperate for some sleep. I also wonder how the hell CD keeps up that sort of pace? The miracle of Viagra?
(Lazy) Fox7717
For effectively cashing out on freebies you need ideally 10 days in country, the more the better. Of course it is possible to score on the first night or on short trips, but with many girls it will be the 2nd or 3rd night before you score. If you haven't scored by night 3, something has gone horribly wrong. The majority of my scores are on the 2nd date/meeting. When chasing freebies, there is no guarantee they can meet you on consecutive days or within 2-3 days. Depends entirely on her and your schedule. Within 10 days time, it is quite easy to get 4-5 girls to have 2nd or 3rd dates with you. Some will date more in that time, some less. In any case, after a couple of days in country you can start reaping what you sow. If your time in country is too short, you may very well find yourself "one date away" from scoring with some of your favorites.
I personally don't like to do more than 3 dates a day, but have done as many as 5 before. I find the routine gets boring after 3-4 days, even if there is lots of sex involved. That's just me though, maybe I am getting old after all... :)
As far as grooming prospects, I personally don't like contacting them more than 10 days before arrival. I am not one to write long letters to them or put too much effort into it. It isn't worth it if all you want (as in most cases) is to fuck her 2-3 times. Besides that, many of the hotter girls will lose interest in chatting if you aren't going to be visiting their city soon.
Like Cruiser, I enjoy coming back to the same city repeatedly. Within a relatively short time you can build dozens of contacts and these are surprisingly easy to maintain. Mixing in the regulars with new stock keeps your schedule filled and relieves you of dealing with constant "first dates", which is annoying. Some of the friendships I've developed have become very close and lasted years. Some of the girls have married and already divorced again... :)
If I am only going to be in a "new" city or city where I don't have any old contacts I want to see again and I only have 2-3 nights, I'll usually go with p4p options to take the edge off and then go to clubs and see if I can't find somebody for the night. This of course is a no guarantee option, but I still think you can't beat the thrill of chasing fresh pussy... drinks, flirting, ass-grabbing and if you "get lucky", a drunken fuck til dawn.
Aw c'mon dude. $50 is what you'd get for the JFK-Manhattan run so it's surely a fair price for your Uke broads whom you'll have finished with anyway..
I know < 2% of Ukrainian girls are fat but I've seen some around, even in RP.
For effectively cashing out on freebies you need ideally 10 days in country, the more the better. Of course it is possible to score on the first night or on short trips, but with many girls it will be the 2nd or 3rd night before you score. If you haven't scored by night 3, something has gone horribly wrong. The majority of my scores are on the 2nd date/meeting. When chasing freebies, there is no guarantee they can meet you on consecutive days or within 2-3 days. Depends entirely on her and your schedule. Within 10 days time, it is quite easy to get 4-5 girls to have 2nd or 3rd dates with you. Some will date more in that time, some less. In any case, after a couple of days in country you can start reaping what you sow. If your time in country is too short, you may very well find yourself "one date away" from scoring with some of your favorites.
I personally don't like to do more than 3 dates a day, but have done as many as 5 before. I find the routine gets boring after 3-4 days, even if there is lots of sex involved. That's just me though, maybe I am getting old after all.
As far as grooming prospects, I personally don't like contacting them more than 10 days before arrival. I am not one to write long letters to them or put too much effort into it. It isn't worth it if all you want (as in most cases) is to fuck her 2-3 times. Besides that, many of the hotter girls will lose interest in chatting if you aren't going to be visiting their city soon.
Like Cruiser, I enjoy coming back to the same city repeatedly. Within a relatively short time you can build dozens of contacts and these are surprisingly easy to maintain. Mixing in the regulars with new stock keeps your schedule filled and relieves you of dealing with constant "first dates", which is annoying. Some of the friendships I've developed have become very close and lasted years. Some of the girls have married and already divorced again.
If I am only going to be in a "new" city or city where I don't have any old contacts I want to see again and I only have 2-3 nights, I'll usually go with p4p options to take the edge off and then go to clubs and see if I can't find somebody for the night. This of course is a no guarantee option, but I still think you can't beat the thrill of chasing fresh pussy. Drinks, flirting, ass-grabbing and if you "get lucky", a drunken fuck til dawn. Dr Skank,
I agree with all you say here!
It's all about the time you have and how lazy you are?
More fun chasing the freebies sometimes as you describe?
Fox7717
Gentleman Travel
02-21-08, 22:35
Kiev girls are funny. Whenever they start to give me any crap (there is that word again), I hand them my mobile with the phone book open and say scroll to your name. After a few minutes they get the point. Never lost a girl doing that and it's quite the behavior modifier. When they start the 'oh, you are just here to fuck young Ukrainian girls/American (European) women suck'. I open my MySpace page and let them scroll through my friends list, I tell them 100 American girls, 4 Ukrainian girls and 2 Russian girls. They get the point, same result as with the mobile phone book.
Sorry Cruiser, I don't get it.
Proving that you are there to fuck as many girls as possible gets them in bed with you?
I can understand the idea of letting them know they are "auditioning for the role of girlfriend" as an incentive to do their best. But why would they be eager for a chance to be amongst a cast of hundreds? Clearly you don't intend to see many of those girls on a regular basis. I don't understand the incentive/motivation from the girl's point of view.
Was that before or after you sponsored a couple of waitresses at Art Club 44?
I was at the Double Coffee on Khreshatic, which one were you at?
I was sitting in one of the DC last night with two nonpros and they offered to come home with me. I thought that'd be fun so I agreed. It was fun. And they played around with each other and that was cool BUT.
I send them home after a while without even taking part in any of the action because I just got bored after a while from the performance. To be honest, yes, you always want what you don't have, and never want what is easy to achieve?
GT, I really haven't put too much thought into it. It just works. My cast of hundreds is pretty fuckin hot - validation? Competition? I just got home from a double. And no, I'm not here to fuck as many girls as possible. If I was I would be having sex 3-4 times a day. I could handle that in my 20's, not in my late 30's tho.
Doc - I'll get to you tomorrow. I'm ready to pass out.
Doctor_Skank
02-22-08, 00:14
Doc - I'll get to you tomorrow. I'm ready to pass out.
Blood. Suck their blood. It's what I do. Gives you a real iron kick, better than Geritol.
Sorry Cruiser, I don't get it.
Proving that you are there to fuck as many girls as possible gets them in bed with you?
I can understand the idea of letting them know they are "auditioning for the role of girlfriend" as an incentive to do their best. But why would they be eager for a chance to be amongst a cast of hundreds? Clearly you don't intend to see many of those girls on a regular basis. I don't understand the incentive/motivation from the girl's point of view.
Maybe CD tends to exaggerate, but is making a good point. He is right shifting his positioning from hunter to hunted. Kiev girls have a very competitive attitude and a very crazy need to show themselves as the best (lover, girlfriend, *****... doesn't matter). Showing that you are not mad about them and you are plenty of other opportunities make them crazy. Very often (not always) they fight to keep you in their hands. They don't want to be amongst a cast of hundreds... They want to be the winner amongst the hundreds.
This doesn't work after 5 minutes you know the girl or if you are just a greedy and ignorant frog. You need to show you have value for them. This is sometimes about money, but also about your charme, treating them well and the way you have fun with them... So this is a technique that has good chance of success after 2-3 meeting, if you are able to interest them of course... At least this is my experience
In Kiev it is all about money. A dinner with a girl costs at least 50 euro. If you go to club with her, you may spend even 150 euro for the night. Most girls make about 300 euro per month or even less. So this spending is a lot for them. They have to compete because the offer is greater than the demand and all of them want the material things. There are fewer guys able to do this expense around than girls ready to get it, it is that simple.
The problem is the spending. For me whether you spend 100 euro for a dinner or for a mobile or for a pair of boots or for drinks in a club or for a perfume or cosmetics it is the same. It is 100 euro spent. I do not care the way it was spent but for the amount. So one can for example say oh yes, I spend for a dinner but I enjoy it as well or I spend for a perfume but it is for me to have her smelling well or I spend for boots but I like an impressive girl next to me or I spent for a mobile but I did it because she uses it only for my calls, there are a lot of ways to justify it while all cases are exactly the same.
100 euro spent one way or another. If you are ready for this, Kiev is O. K.
Sevastopol1
02-22-08, 13:07
Maybe CD tends to exaggerate, but is making a good point. He is right shifting his positioning from hunter to hunted. Kiev girls have a very competitive attitude and a very crazy need to show themselves as the best (lover, girlfriend, *****... doesn't matter). Showing that you are not mad about them and you are plenty of other opportunities make them crazy. Very often (not always) they fight to keep you in their hands. They don't want to be amongst a cast of hundreds... They want to be the winner amongst the hundreds.
This doesn't work after 5 minutes you know the girl or if you are just a greedy and ignorant frog. You need to show you have value for them. This is sometimes about money, but also about your charme, treating them well and the way you have fun with them... So this is a technique that has good chance of success after 2-3 meeting, if you are able to interest them of course... At least this is my experience
Without a doubt and trying not to get to heavy with what you say, I have encountered this many times over the past few years living in Sevastopol but (I think it applies to a lot of us, back to basics! No wants to be dumpted for somebody else or for whatever reason!!!).
I must admit that my biggest successes have been with being genuine, honest,nice guy,no lies (and yes, but sometimes I have been taken advantage of,(probably many times)).
At the end of the day, live and learn! :-)
Sev
Doctor_Skank
02-23-08, 00:45
In Kiev it is all about money. A dinner with a girl costs at least 50 euro. If you go to club with her, you may spend even 150 euro for the night.
100 euro spent one way or another. If you are ready for this, Kiev is O. K.
a) why go to dinner?
In most cases the only girls I take to dinner are ones I have already fucked and where I would actually like to enjoy a dinner with them. Conversation, intellectual stimulation, foreplay. I have (for the most part) stopped using the "dinner to impress" method. It is indeed a waste of money unless you really are there to enjoy the meal. It is sometimes fun to impress village girls with an "expensive" meal, but they can be impressed with much much less.
b) drinks in clubs
There is no reason to spend 150 euros on drinks for 2 people in Kiev unless you love the taste of alcohol more than the taste of pussy.
c) money
If you aren't willing to spend at least some money, you'll have a hard time getting laid.
money=power
power=fun
fun=girls
a) why go to dinner?
In most cases the only girls I take to dinner are ones I have already fucked and where I would actually like to enjoy a dinner with them. Conversation, intellectual stimulation, foreplay. I have (for the most part) stopped using the "dinner to impress" method. It is indeed a waste of money unless you really are there to enjoy the meal. It is sometimes fun to impress village girls with an "expensive" meal, but they can be impressed with much much less.
b) drinks in clubs
There is no reason to spend 150 euros on drinks for 2 people in Kiev unless you love the taste of alcohol more than the taste of pussy.
c) money
If you aren't willing to spend at least some money, you'll have a hard time getting laid.
money=power
power=fun
fun=girls
Dr.
Good answer and good contribution to this Forum. I travel lot for private and business reasons to different countries in the word and know by my own experience the salary and prices level. And the services as well. I agree that Kiev is not the best place for the best value for my money in Hotels or apartments or some restaurants too. Even here in central Europe for these prices you get here better quality. And regarding Asia much better, therefore West European countries have to review their prices or increase their services other way no chance for the future.
However, my experiences with women there in Ukraine are very good, sometime a little bit too expensive and sometimes excellent prices for the very good service mostly in sex but not in a normal and general conversation.
I really don’t understand why some members here are given some information with exaggerate prices? I don’t know if some people here are so stupid to believe that this information is real or only the Ego from some members
I hope not to offend nobody, only trying to be realistic and avoid that some local people reading these wrong reports increase their regular prices
Sorry guys I've been without an internet connection for the last day or two.
I have been playing the same game in Kiev that I have been playing in the much tougher (probably the toughest) dating field in the US. I have evolved well beyond, 'gee, I need a good looking girl to fuck' to I need a good looking girl to fuck who is going to find me other going looking girls to fuck. So far in Kiev I have found that in Natalia, Natalia, Katya, Oksana and Alla. People who have seen me operate in person know I am not exaggerating about anything. Most of the people I meet in Kiev generally never see me with the same girl twice, with the exception of my Kiev sidekick – which simply goes to show you the level of the game I am playing in Kiev. While most of you guys are happy to be shown about town by a semi English speaking taxi guy looking for a piece of your wallet. My Kiev connection (sorry Brett) is a very classy attractive girl who simply adores me.
But I digress; Dinner? Mobile phones? Other gifts? Does it equal sex in Kiev? Sounds like the path to frustration to me. If you want a p4p girl find one, as a short timer don’t waste your time on expensive meals and gifts – this is where you always go wrong Hecker and end up in frustration. If you are going to be in Kiev long term, one month plus, find a girl and sponsor her. Get all the details out of the way up front. 150e? 200e? Per day? I just met Mila, who I found on a internet website, sms’ed her a few times. Just met her at the local Double Coffee and spent the last two hours mouth fucking her – total cost 68uah. Natasha came to my apartment the other night, how she got here I have to idea – taxi, metro? Didn’t ask, didn’t pay. I asked her to bring some food and sure enough she did. What is my point? Well, I am not saying all this to brag (well, actually I am a little). But realize what your game is, what works and stick to it. You guys want to court the girls at Decadance? Bring the love in the form of big $. You want to prey – err, I mean hit on the simply village girls – stake out a spot in McD on the weekend. You want to be the ho master of RP? Small talk pays, if the girl is comfortable with you she will come down to $200, if not move on to #2. You shouldn’t be paying more then $200/encounter. Find your groove and stick to it. If you are over 50 and find you get nothing from throwing money and gifts at 18 year olds it might be time to switch targets – such is life.
It’s not always roses for the Cruz in Kiev. The other day a 8 refused to give me her number on the street. She was digging the tie but wasn’t liking the no Ruski thing. ;)
Oh Wally Boy, I found out the other day the Art Club 44 has been closed for renovations for almost a year (it just reopened). Where did you find that waitress you slipped your number to who came over for a late night romp? And all the girls looking to get sponsored at 44 – in your dreams? ;)
My time in Kiev is drawing to a close. I will be flying out on Friday. This trip I met about 100 girls in two cities (Kiev, Sevastopol) not including the 30 or so girls I went for round two with. If I was in Kiev for another two months I would easily meet another 100 or so girls and I can count the number of times I went to a club on one hand.
It's not too hard, just give it a try.
Oh, and I almost forgot you Doc.
Cruiser D:
Serious question: aren't you bored sick of dating?
I mean, I love sex too and enjoy the company of females in both quantity and quality, but after a week of serial dating I:
a) can't stand restaurant food or cafe drinks like cappucino anymore...
b) suffer from emotional overload resp. drain switching from one girl to the next to the next to the next to the next...
c) my dick is rubbed raw and feels like it's going to fall off
d) sometimes just feel like hanging out drinking beer and eating fries. Or sleeping.
You've been at this for weeks. Do you have two dicks?
a) I eat out a lot
b) huh? I'm pretty good at disengaging from a conversation I don't find interesting while making it appear I am participating - it's a gift. :)
c) condoms help with the friction
d) beer and fries taste better when you have them with a good looking girl or two-three.
e) never said no to sex yet.
Oh, and I am sad to report I had mediocre sex for the first time in Ukraine last week. :(
Of course people who stay more than one week in Kiev will be laid for sure. However this week can cost
1) 50 euro minimum for apartment every day
2) 30 euro for each date on average which equals 100 euro almost if you date 3 girls every day (normal)
3) 30 euro every day personal expenses, taxis etc
4) 400 euro plane ticket
So a week can cost on average 350 euro for apartment, 700 euro on dates, 200 euro for personal expenses plus 400 euro for plane ticket. So it is 1650 euro for a week without any p4p and without any present (which is likely if you have slept with a girl). So if we add 2 p4p for 200 euro each and one present of 200 euro we get to 2300 euro for one week which is enough money and with that we can get two pros and one freebie or two freebies in best case.
We compare that to province where everything costs half, so the expense is 1400 euro for the same (plane ticket has the same price).
If you invite a girl to stay with you in your country, you may pay for her 100 euro maximum every day (accomodation, restaurants). So you need 700 euro for one week or 1100 euro if you pay plane tickets as well.
That is why I wrote that in Kiev you buy comfort with money if you are willing to do so. Not everybody wants to spend 2300 euro for one week. Another one may think it is worth the effort, it depends how much value you give to women and what appearance of women you accept and how much you are ready to pay for this. The money paid for one week in Kiev compared to the result you get is for me borderline, minimum accepted.
The money for province for one week is accepted. Anyway this is my view.
Hecker,
A date should cost you 30-100uah unless you are going out to eat. I always tell the girls, 'hey, let's meet for a coffee or a drink..'. If I am hungry I might take them out to eat.
Like I said before, you need to figure out why you are in Kiev (Ukraine) - are you looking to fuck? If you are over 40-50 go with p4p. Are you looking to sponsor a girl - yes then had better budget upscale meeting. But then again how many interviews are you going to have a day? More one? I doubt it. Are you a serial dater (cough) then coffee/drink is fine.
If you go to Ukraine with your approach you are just setting youself up to fail/not have a good time. And the girls are going to 'win'.
From everything you have written about yourself you are a sex tourist. You should realize that and make a game plan along those lines.
Or you can keep on doing what you like...;)
It's 2018 and I need to go out and get a phone card or I am screwed.
Doctor_Skank
02-23-08, 19:30
a) I eat out a lot
b) huh? I'm pretty good at disengaging from a conversation I don't find interesting while making it appear I am participating - it's a gift. :)
c) condoms help with the friction
d) beer and fries taste better when you have them with a good looking girl or two-three.
e) never said no to sex yet.
Oh, and I am sad to report I had mediocre sex for the first time in Ukraine last week. :(
a) Me too, but honestly bore of it sometimes... I really love a great house party with beer and snacks. They always end in some crazy shit happening.
b) I sometimes get really attached to the girls and having several at the same time as I usually do, I find it draining at times. The kind of 5 a days you are doing would leave me an emotional wreck. I like most of my girls too much. :)
c) condoms... bah! OK, with one night stands I usually use them and with pros always, but with the regulars.. they don't like condoms either.
d) well, yeah. That's the idea... )
Photos of Larisa still working in Kiev for gia escort service.
Prices are more and more expensive.
Gokhan if you read me try this girl you will like her.
Cruiser D,
If you fucked over 100 DIFFERENT girls in 1 month, the Pope must be Jewish!
Fox7717
Umm, Fox, where did I say I fucked 100 girls. I said I met 100 new girls, actually it's probably slightly more considering I usually average 2 new meets a day - excluding chatting someone up on the street and getting their phone number, that doesn't count. New sex was kind of on the low count this trip. I ended up sexing mostly regulars this trip. I'd say in the last 60 days I probably exchanged DNA in one fashion or the other with 30 new girls and 20 regs. I broke my ban on RP this trip, and she ended up being the best sex of the trip. I am sure this will amaze and intrigue Uke Boy because he also knows another girl I fucked who was/is top notch. The best all around sex from the trip came from a RP/Nightflight Vet. The best oral sex came from a freebie. She is number 2 on my all time list. #1 on the list is an American girl, also a freebie (and before anyone asks, no you can't have her number).
Doc,
A) I used to average 1.5k-2k/month in my 20's eating out. In my 30's I probably cut that in half (factoring inflation). For a guy who isn't in sales I do indeed eat out a lot.
B) It takes a lot for a girl to really interest me before I truly engage her on any level other then 'umm, uh huh, yeah, ok, really? thats interesting'.
C) Yeah, I escaped my 20's generally not using a condom. Then I found out how extremely lucky I was. CDC.GOV . Condom's don't bother me in the least and unless it's oral I don't understand why it would make a diff to her.
D) Hey, how did we end up with no girls at the SuperBowl party again? I did make a few attempts but the girls upstairs wanted no part of it. Next year I am bringing some with me. :) Wait..wait..Crusier D's mantra..never bring a girl to a club...never bring a girl to a club..
Ban RV-VV.
Doctor_Skank
02-24-08, 15:09
B) It takes a lot for a girl to really interest me before I truly engage her on any level other then 'umm, uh huh, yeah, ok, really? thats interesting'.
C) Yeah, I escaped my 20's generally not using a condom. Then I found out how extremely lucky I was. CDC.GOV . Condom's don't bother me in the least and unless it's oral I don't understand why it would make a diff to her.
D) Hey, how did we end up with no girls at the SuperBowl party again? I did make a few attempts but the girls upstairs wanted no part of it. Next year I am bringing some with me. :) Wait..wait..Crusier D's mantra..never bring a girl to a club...never bring a girl to a club..
Ban RV-VV.
B) If I see the chance to score with a girl I like, I will search and find "that special something" in her... most have it. That's one of the reasons that if I am ever alone with a girl, even if that alone is one square meter of space in a nightclub, I usually do pretty well. Communication is the key.
C) you are of course right about the dangers, but I find many girls hate condoms as much as men do. I've never had 30 new girls in 60 days though, so you are playing Ukrainian roulette more often than I am, understandable that caution wins over habit.
D) Why didn't we score? Because we have priorities... and on Super Bowl night sports + beer + bros definitely before hos. I did score last year though with the B Team... this year I guess we weren't paying enough attention. I only tried to score when it was apparently too late.
By the way, it isn't bad being me either... :)
B) If I see the chance to score with a girl I like, I will search and find "that special something" in her... most have it. That's one of the reasons that if I am ever alone with a girl, even if that alone is one square meter of space in a nightclub, I usually do pretty well. Communication is the key.
C) you are of course right about the dangers, but I find many girls hate condoms as much as men do. I've never had 30 new girls in 60 days though, so you are playing Ukrainian roulette more often than I am, understandable that caution wins over habit.
D) Why didn't we score? Because we have priorities... and on Super Bowl night sports + beer + bros definitely before hos. I did score last year though with the B Team... this year I guess we weren't paying enough attention. I only tried to score when it was apparently too late.
By the way, it isn't bad being me either... :)Just curious about the story behind this girl, if your in the mood to tell.
Fox7717
Umm, Fox, where did I say I fucked 100 girls. I said I met 100 new girls, actually it's probably slightly more considering I usually average 2 new meets a day - excluding chatting someone up on the street and getting their phone number, that doesn't count. New sex was kind of on the low count this trip. I ended up sexing mostly regulars this trip. I'd say in the last 60 days I probably exchanged DNA in one fashion or the other with 30 new girls and 20 regs. I broke my ban on RP this trip, and she ended up being the best sex of the trip. I am sure this will amaze and intrigue Uke Boy because he also knows another girl I fucked who was/is top notch. The best all around sex from the trip came from a RP/Nightflight Vet. The best oral sex came from a freebie. She is number 2 on my all time list. #1 on the list is an American girl, also a freebie (and before anyone asks, no you can't have her number).
Doc,
A) I used to average 1.5k-2k/month in my 20's eating out. In my 30's I probably cut that in half (factoring inflation). For a guy who isn't in sales I do indeed eat out a lot.
B) It takes a lot for a girl to really interest me before I truly engage her on any level other then 'umm, uh huh, yeah, ok, really? thats interesting'.
C) Yeah, I escaped my 20's generally not using a condom. Then I found out how extremely lucky I was. CDC.GOV . Condom's don't bother me in the least and unless it's oral I don't understand why it would make a diff to her.
D) Hey, how did we end up with no girls at the SuperBowl party again? I did make a few attempts but the girls upstairs wanted no part of it. Next year I am bringing some with me. :) Wait..wait..Crusier D's mantra..never bring a girl to a club...never bring a girl to a club..
Ban RV-VV.Cruiser: Interesting/ironic that the best fuck was a RP girl? I maintain there's a lot of luck in the 'fuck rating' although experience helps a lot?! The girl I mentioned a while ago from RP was great, probably because we hit it off.
Fox7717
money=power
power=fun
fun=girlsCould not agree more, so how do you achieve this effect when you spend (and are proud) to so little loosening the pantie elastic?
Fox7717
D) Why didn't we score? Because we have priorities... and on Super Bowl night sports + beer + bros definitely before hos. I did score last year though with the B Team... this year I guess we weren't paying enough attention. I only tried to score when it was apparently too late.
Dr S may I ask you, on the night of the Super Bowl at RP were you and the Cruz sitting on the right hand or left hand set of couches as you walk into the Sports Bar or were you down the other end ? It's just that I was in that night and I couldn't figure out where you guys were and I didn't fancy asking if Dr Skank was in the house !
Doctor_Skank
02-24-08, 20:17
D) Why didn't we score? Because we have priorities... and on Super Bowl night sports + beer + bros definitely before hos. I did score last year though with the B Team... this year I guess we weren't paying enough attention. I only tried to score when it was apparently too late.
Dr S may I ask you, on the night of the Super Bowl at RP were you and the Cruz sitting on the right hand or left hand set of couches as you walk into the Sports Bar or were you down the other end ? It's just that I was in that night and I couldn't figure out where you guys were and I didn't fancy asking if Dr Skank was in the house !
Cruiser and I and Maverick1 were sitting at the far end, together with 3 American guys we didn't know. Maverick did it the right way... he just walked up to us and announced: "ISG?"
:)
Bummer we missed each other... where were you, which couch?
Cruiser and I and Maverick1 were sitting at the far end, together with 3 American guys we didn't know. Maverick did it the right way... he just walked up to us and announced: "ISG?"
:)
Bummer we missed each other... where were you, which couch?
I ended up between the Night Club and watching snatches of the game in the Sports Bar
a) why go to dinner?
In most cases the only girls I take to dinner are ones I have already fucked and where I would actually like to enjoy a dinner with them. Conversation, intellectual stimulation, foreplay. I have (for the most part) stopped using the "dinner to impress" method. It is indeed a waste of money unless you really are there to enjoy the meal. It is sometimes fun to impress village girls with an "expensive" meal, but they can be impressed with much much less.
b) drinks in clubs
There is no reason to spend 150 euros on drinks for 2 people in Kiev unless you love the taste of alcohol more than the taste of pussy.
c) money
If you aren't willing to spend at least some money, you'll have a hard time getting laid.
money=power
power=fun
fun=girls
a) The "dinner to impress" works effectively with me. I think there 2 kinds of daters here in the forum. Guys that spend time in Kiev just to get laid as much as they can and guys like me that come often for very short business trips. I can spend how much I want for meals putting everything on my expense note and honestly 99% of times I brought a freebie (or even an RP girl the day after) to Concord, Da Vinci, Pena (CD thanks for the hint!), Nobu, Grand Cafe', Monaco I hit the target with no additional cash out... So what... Why should I stop this way? Maybe there is something also on my charme, but the truth is that in WE towns I need 3-4 dinners to get laid and this happens about 50% of times (still I enjoy the hunting)
Keep in mind that I work during the day in Kiev... So I have to play everything at dinner time (if I'm not caught in boring business dinners... in this case I have to play p4p if after I'm still able to stand up)
b) Agree... after dinner maybe a drink, to furtherly reduce inhibition (if any), but it's a waste of time (more important than money)
c)
money = power
money = fun
money = girls
If money is not enough, then power, fun and charme can fill the gap...but this is a game that doesn't end the same way for everybody :D
In general I'm aligned with CD. Kiev sex makes sense because of his quality and because it's easy to date girls 20 girls younger... Not because it's less expensive. Furthermore I'm spoiled and accept only girls that are at least 8 in my personal scale... even if there are many around here, still some effort is needed
Of course people who stay more than one week in Kiev will be laid for sure. However this week can cost
1) 50 euro minimum for apartment every day
2) 30 euro for each date on average which equals 100 euro almost if you date 3 girls every day (normal)
3) 30 euro every day personal expenses, taxis etc
4) 400 euro plane ticket
So a week can cost on average 350 euro for apartment, 700 euro on dates, 200 euro for personal expenses plus 400 euro for plane ticket. So it is 1650 euro for a week without any p4p and without any present (which is likely if you have slept with a girl). So if we add 2 p4p for 200 euro each and one present of 200 euro we get to 2300 euro for one week which is enough money and with that we can get two pros and one freebie or two freebies in best case.
We compare that to province where everything costs half, so the expense is 1400 euro for the same (plane ticket has the same price).
If you invite a girl to stay with you in your country, you may pay for her 100 euro maximum every day (accomodation, restaurants). So you need 700 euro for one week or 1100 euro if you pay plane tickets as well.
That is why I wrote that in Kiev you buy comfort with money if you are willing to do so. Not everybody wants to spend 2300 euro for one week. Another one may think it is worth the effort, it depends how much value you give to women and what appearance of women you accept and how much you are ready to pay for this. The money paid for one week in Kiev compared to the result you get is for me borderline, minimum accepted.
The money for province for one week is accepted. Anyway this is my view.
You back up my point that Kiev is very expensive!
Coming here it's all about the quality of sex you get and the appearance/age of what you can get. Nevertheless I never came to any of the CIS countries on vacation or just to meet girls. I'm just lucky I have some well-paid work to do here and no cap on my expense note. This makes everything easier (my only real cash out is a present from time to time and RP when I have no time for other options).
Maybe I contribute to spoil girls and to harden the market with expensive dinners and clubs, but honestly I get what I can in an easy way and without bothering about what this means for the ecosystem.
I agree that it's simpler to bring the girl to you or in vacation with you if you have some stunning looking sex-addicted that wants to reach you for a few days. If I'm on holidays I want relax and not the stress to chase girls around... I rather prefer to invite for a week in some tropical island the best date I had in the previous year in Kiev. I guess no bimbo here would say no :D
T66, there is a large subculture of professional daters (female) in Kiev. Generally under 25 and speaks English well. They are not going away until the economy crashes, so why not take 'advantage' of them. Two upscale dinners and 'oh by the way I am staying at the Hyatt' is all that you need. These girls are very easy to avoid (or find) so no one should really be complaining about it.
The only meal I ever had in Kiev that was worth the expense (quality and service) was at Pena.
It's looking to be quite the nice day in Kiev weather wise. The girls should be out in full force in the late afternoon-evening. Time to shine the shoes and work on 'privet dyevushka! kak dela?' ;)
Fox, RP sex. Practice makes perfect and you have to love a girl who likes her job. I paid $200 for the night - 6 hours. She seriously almost broke my leg.
One of the reason why the Doctor and I do well in the FSU is because the girl that he posted the picture of is just considered a B level girl. If I remember the deal correctly she and her friend cost the Dr $250 - not a bad deal in anyone's play book.
T, it was too bad we missed you at the SB party. You should have sent one of us a PM. Maybe next years turn out will be bigger. We'll get a banner made for the next one. 2nd Annual River Palace ISG Superbowl Ho Down. ISG stands for International Savings Group - we are bankers, baby. Girls are the currency.
Is Kiev the cheepest place in East Europe to find adult entertainment.
Maverick2007
02-26-08, 00:34
Fox, RP sex. Practice makes perfect and you have to love a girl who likes her job. I paid $200 for the night - 6 hours. She seriously almost broke my leg.Wow, you managed to find a $200/whole night in RP?? The last time I was there one of the girls asked for $200 for 1 hour! Or I made a bad search?
I have found this Tania http://kiev-escorts.adultcompanion.co.uk/
She's a funny 'individulka' always telling me jokes about Kiev prostitutes :)
T66, there is a large subculture of professional daters (female) in Kiev. Generally under 25 and speaks English well. They are not going away until the economy crashes, so why not take 'advantage' of them. Two upscale dinners and 'oh by the way I am staying at the Hyatt' is all that you need.
Believe me, I take all the advantage I can! :D
Mav, I always find girls at RP interested in $200/night after a little chatting - all top notch. Brokered many a deal for friends there at $200/night.
The link you posted is just another site for the infamous GIA. ;)
James to sum it up in one word, no.
T66, I am curious, what place do you think is best for Italian food in Kiev?
The subject quote is from a girl I met at Avalon who thought that because I only spoke English I was looking for a prostitute. I came back about 20 minutes later and saw her tonguing her female friend. I love 'normal' girls like that. Oh, I had gotten her friend’s number earlier that night. :)
Hey, I didn't write this. But it was too good to pass up. Someone stole it from an English site (stealing something in Ukraine?! Impossible!) and changed all London references to Kiev ones, well except for the last one. Too funny.
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T66, I am curious, what place do you think is best for Italian food in Kiev?
I found places like Il Patio, Millemiglia and Fellini disgusting in terms of italian food. Da Vinci has an italian menu that is decent, but severely overpriced. Also Da Mario is not so bad and has a nice atmosphere... but still nothing I can live without. I wonder if it would be a good business to open a real top-notch italian restaurant in Kiev :D
In general Kiev Restaurants need also to learn how to keep wines... I got wines that were damaged several times, with so-called sommeliers and waiters saying that they were good and that the taste difference I observed was what makes the wine special... Funny that in Kiev acidity increases value!
Explorer69
02-26-08, 18:38
I have read with interest the discussion here whether to take girls to fancy restaurants and dine and wine them or if a cup of coffee is sufficient:))! My answer is that this depends on the girl. Some girls used to a higher standard – or used to look at men like a walking ATM will think you are cheap and greedy if you don’t invest some money. This represents some of the hottest girls. However, the average girl working in the shop, from the country side or just being an ordinary student is happy with a little talk pluss coffee or juice:)). But some of them also gets “softer" after a good restaurant
I have experienced both. As a regular Kiev traveller in connection with work, I am here only for 3-4 days each time and also being busy during the day, so this puts severe limits on my “work mode” with girls. It is more easy to go for semipros than the pure freebies. Also being past 50 creates some serious limitations. However, I am still able to make well with the young girls, but sometimes this also make some demands on my wallet regarding presents! I have had both!
I am now in Kiev, arrived yesterday. Last time I was in Kiev I met this hot girl (176 tall, big tits, great figure, 24 years) from Crimea. We had both coffee and dinner, nothing more and I spent happy nights with other girls. Now I contacted her in advance and she arrived by plane yesterday. And she should stay with me in my apartment. Ok, we went to a nice, but not particularly expensive restaurant, I also had to eat! When studying the menu I asked her to order what I had decided including water to drink, I had to go to the toilet. Shortly after I came back the waiter brought a bottle of French champagne, Moet & Chandon!! She had ordered it in my absence!! I was shocked!
Back in the apartment we were talking and I learned that she had only had sex with 2 boyfriends in her life!! The last time was 3 years ago! I believe her, it was obviously that she was scared to death by the thought of what was going to happened. After some serious delays we went to bed – I realized that she wanted to postpone “a fate worse than death” as long as possible. When she came from the bathroom and the shower to go to bed she was dressed more for a skiing than for sex. I really took things easy and proceeded very carefully and slowly. When in the end she was naked she kept her hands over her breast (they were big and as far as I could see beautiful) and announced that she did not like them to be kissed!! Oops, but I can live with that. Now she gave me a condome and asked me to put it on!! Just like that, she expected me to put on a condome and start to fuck right away!
I told her to relax, no condome yet! After a lot of kissing all over I ended up getting close to licking paradise! Now she sat up in bed, asking what I was doing? Again I said relax, and gently approached paradise with my tongue. I usually enjoy giving oral sex and I even believe I am good at it! Now I gave oral sex for more than 30-45 minutes and it was like kissing a dead fish. NO RESPONSE!! (well, maybe a little). It is the first time in my career! During this I got so bored I lost my erection. In the end I stop and just lie beside her holding her. I put her hand on my dick which started to get alive and I fingered her. All of a sudden she got out of bed, ran to the bathroom and had another shower (I must have made her dirty!).
Back in bed, we (=I) started again, me carefully fingered her and I put her hand on my dick which she touched as if it was something from outer space which had crawled out of the toilet. After a little time I suggested that she gave me oral sex. No, no, she had never done that and she would never do it! My God! A Ukraine girl that does not give blow job??
And again she handed me the condome. Now I was really fed up and I thought at least I would fuck her. But with the head of my dick in the entrance she started to scream that I was far too big for that!
Well, that was the end of it! I told her to go to sleep and I went to the living room to read for an hour. I could not kick her out and go to River palace, she had nowhere to go. While I was in the living room, she again had a bath! This morning I told her to get on the first plane back, being a gentleman I bought her the ticket…. Anything to get rid of her!
Honestly, I think this is the worst experience with sex in my life ????
But now life smiles back to me: before lunch today I unexpectedly got SMS from a sweet girlfriend in Rivne asking “when do you come to Ukraine”? This girl I met in December. She is 19 and when we met she told me that she did not really like sex, when she had a boyfriend she did not want it more than 1-2 times per week, and she usually did not get orgasm. On the second date we went to bed, after that she stayed with me for 3 days, we fucked like rabbits morning, afternoon, and night. And she was multiorgasmic! She was so happy, telling me this was the best experience of her life. She is very serious student, unbelievably sweet and natural. She did not ask for anything, I had to persuade her to take bus money to Rivne. She only wanted to go to the simple places for food, preferred just to have a salad that she prepared in the apartment.
To make the story short: Now she is on the bus on her way from Rivne arriving in 1 hour, she will stay with me for the 2 more days I am in Kiev.
What is the moral? There is none – but dinner and champagne may also get you a nightmare!
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As I read prices for Kiev:
50$. 1 hour (Classic sex, oral sex, erotic massage, strip tease)
30$. Each next hour
200$. 1 night (9 hours)
I conclude that it is cheapest than Dnipro and girls are more beautiful in Kiev.
Here a link: http://www.kievsex. Ru
It is very interesting but I have no feedback yet;
Explorer, do you think girl #1 was lying to you? She got a plane ticket out of you, a place to stay and what not. How innocent do you think a girl is who orders Champagne in your absence? I doubt you were the first guy (or last) she will play that game with.
You should have gave her 100uah. 20uah for the taxi to the train station and 80uah for a train ticket back to her Ukrainian boyfriend who probably spent an hour mouth fucking her and then fucked her ass when she got back home.
Explorer's report got a editors note because?
Oh, and ban RV
Bez Bezarra
02-27-08, 05:44
I have experience.
I met this hot girl, 24 years from Crimea she arrived by plane and stay in my apartment.
Ok, I go to the toilet the waiter brought Moet & Chandon!! I was shocked!
she only had sex with 2 boyfriends in her life 3 years ago!
she was scared and wanted to postpone “a fate worse than death”.
from the shower to go to bed she dressed for skiing.
her breast were big and beautiful and she expected me to start to fuck right away!
At oral sex I even believe I am good at it for 45 minutes and it was like fish the first time in my reer!
I put her hand on my dick all of a sudden she ran to the shower as if it was from outer space which had crawled out of the toilet.
But she started to scream I was too big!
Well, this is the worst experience with sex in my life ????
But a girl in Rivne 19 stayed with me for 3 days was so happy this was the best experience of her life.
Many of you purest whiners complain this takes the stories out of context, but I proclaim this is just a condensed drive-thru version, allowing the real essence of his pompous absurdity to lay bare in all its pathetic glory.
I found places like Il Patio, Millemiglia and Fellini disgusting in terms of italian food. Da Vinci has an italian menu that is decent, but severely overpriced. Also Da Mario is not so bad and has a nice atmosphere... but still nothing I can live without. I wonder if it would be a good business to open a real top-notch italian restaurant in Kiev :D
In general Kiev Restaurants need also to learn how to keep wines... I got wines that were damaged several times, with so-called sommeliers and waiters saying that they were good and that the taste difference I observed was what makes the wine special... Funny that in Kiev acidity increases value!
Fellini is the worst pasta in Kiev, it only plus point is it in the center near my apartment!
Fellini's used to be great 3 years ago. The only thing they have going for them now is 24/7 and the decor. I was never a big fan of DaVinci - found it to be extremely over priced for the meal and the decor was/is dizzying. Never thought much of Nobu and Nobel (is Nobel still open?) Il Patio used to serve good homey Italian food 2 or so years ago - not anymore. The was/is a Spanish place called LaPenta or something like that which I liked. Try Dolce over by the Dnipro hotel - it used to have quite the 'wow' factor to impress the girls. I heard the Italian food over at Decadence was good. But that is coming from a Ukrainian girl who's probably never had real Italian food.
Try Mr Snack. I'd say go to McD but then you would get stuck behind Ash buying some girls Happy Meals. :D
Anything having to do with the service sector is just a wild dream in Kiev, except for sex. If you are an oenophile I did hear there is a upscale wine bar in Kiev. Just ask the desk at the Hyatt.
Hey, is it a bad thing when I fill the tub with water from the tap and I can't see the bottom?
Explorer69 experienced the difference between east-west Ukraine. Nothing more.
If you want italian food, you have to travel to Italy. I think this is a good advice.
Hey, is it a bad thing when I fill the tub with water from the tap and I can't see the bottom?
No just get in and enjoy, remember that chernobyl is up river from kiev and guess where the water comes from?
Get in enjoy at least you will glow when you are out and about.
Doctor_Skank
02-28-08, 12:49
One of the reason why the Doctor and I do well in the FSU is because the girl that he posted the picture of is just considered a B level girl. If I remember the deal correctly she and her friend cost the Dr $250 - not a bad deal in anyone's play book.
The girl in the picture (not bad 2) is actually a freebie I met through work. I had back to back freebies from work contacts last weekend. Not sure if screwing work contacts is such a great idea, but what the hell.
Regarding the super bowl double, they were B level. In fact, I even saved their pictures on my PC under "the B team".. :)
Doctor_Skank
02-28-08, 12:58
In general I'm aligned with CD. Kiev sex makes sense because of his quality and because it's easy to date girls 20 girls younger... Not because it's less expensive. Furthermore I'm spoiled and accept only girls that are at least 8 in my personal scale... even if there are many around here, still some effort is needed
I'm probably less choosy then some, if I am out on the town and have the choice between going home with a 6 or going home alone, I take the six. I get plenty of 7-8s as well, and the occasional 9. Most of all I end up attached to the ones I enjoy hanging out with the most. There are any number of criteria for this.
Everybody operates in a different way, I'm very happy with the results I am getting just being me. Dating girls 20 years younger is one of the great joys of EE, it is much more difficult to do so in WE or the US.
Could not agree more, so how do you achieve this effect when you spend (and are proud) to so little loosening the pantie elastic?
Fox7717
When I say
Money = power
power = fun
fun = girls
I am saying that although you can get laid on a relatively small budget, there definitely is some merit to creating atmosphere for the girls, showing them a great time, giving them a night to remember. I have had many many girls tell me that the night we spent together (whether club or bar or the theatre) was the greatest night they've ever had. This is probably both a testament to my social skills and the fact that they don't go out much.. :)
Show them the greatest night they've ever had, you are going to get laid. You can't always create atmosphere without spending some money. Besides that, alcohol is expensive.
If you want italian food, you have to travel to Italy. I think this is a good advice.
Words of wisdom!!!!
I'm probably less choosy then some, if I am out on the town and have the choice between going home with a 6 or going home alone, I take the six. I get plenty of 7-8s as well, and the occasional 9. Most of all I end up attached to the ones I enjoy hanging out with the most. There are any number of criteria for this.
Everybody operates in a different way, I'm very happy with the results I am getting just being me. Dating girls 20 years younger is one of the great joys of EE, it is much more difficult to do so in WE or the US.
There are no general criteria... The point is that each of use has really the possibility to get and enjoy what he likes. So you are happy of your results, I'm happy of mine and many other here are the same. that's what makes Kiev great, even if mongering/sponsoring costs went up in the recent past.
I like the local hunting ground, I like the results... I don't want to throw away money, but I don't want also to worry about how to save few bucks when I reach this level of enjoyment
Cruiser, I'm flattered that you think my charm alone will persuade chicks to follow me into Micky's. Unfortunately a Happy Meal doesn't quite do it. I find I usually have to stretch to a Big Mac.
Anyway I'm off to Odessa tomorrow for a week end break. In this style conscious city I'll probably be expected to lay on some fries too.
Anyone has any info on Obolon and/or Darnytsa area, like are there any girls there and stuff.
Hello fellow Mongers,
Seeking your advice. I appreciate any and all comments.
I have been to Prague several times in the past few years, and am familiar with what to expect, however I have never been to Ukraine or any parts of Russia. Can you recommend Ukraine over Prague for those of you who have been, and done both such? Please explain why.
Thank you for your help.
Hello fellow Mongers,
Seeking your advice. I appreciate any and all comments.
I have been to Prague several times in the past few years, and am familiar with what to expect, however I have never been to Ukraine or any parts of Russia. Can you recommend Ukraine over Prague for those of you who have been, and done both such? Please explain why.
Thank you for your help.
Its not Prague! Kiev is for sure not like Prague (thank god)
Anyone has any info on Obolon and/or Darnytsa area, like are there any girls there and stuff.
Obolon the population seems to be split, there are girls and men there!
Darnytsa is just the same.
As an aside there are large blocks of flats in both places also.
Hope this helps ))))))))
Its not Prague! Kiev is for sure not like Prague (thank god)
But there are the same stupid taxi drivers asking fo 100 or 150 grivnas when you get out of RP (to get there may be just 30...).
Sometime i get so pissed off that I say ok... just show token ot ticket and go to the metro Dnipro station just over the street!!!
IT
AColonizer
03-01-08, 14:53
Hi forumers,
I have just come back from Kiev, again, and I would like to report a short "balance" of my one-year experience in this forum and in Kiev.
Until now I am glad about Kiev and people in Kiev. Kiev is interesting, above all in Summer, and I think it is a good solution about relaxing and public relations: in fact Kiev is not only sex but it is, above all, a way to live in our grandparents’ time, when the Western world was less stressed than today. I suggest everybody to try, first of all, Kiev and not to think of Prague, Budapest and Moscow.
In Kiev, you can flirt with a lot of potential life-mates or contact a lot of nice prostitutes (but not cheap).
About p2p, it seems prices have risen about 20$ / first hour and 50$ / night in 2008.
The only problem is that I met an Ukrainian prostitute, Marina Tokareva from Kharkov, about two years ago, working on Terraglio road, between Venice and Treviso, in Italy. She was a super adventurer, a super female and a super prostitute and I thought to find a lot of prostitutes like that in Ukraine but unfortunately (this is the problem) she will remain a rarity as a person and as a prostitut: nobody makes sex like that!
I show here what is useful for this forum too. Let’s talk about prostitutes? Then let’s review them!
I have got all phone numbers of them.
ХОРОШИЙ
http://flirt.com.ua/olytosweet11/
Nickname Olya or Liudmila, real pictures, small girl, medium breast, very easy-going mood, active and cheap performer, oral and pussy and anal sex, speaks english, the best value.
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=1524
Nickname Angela or Marina, real pictures (except the left eye trouble modified by photoshop), tall, big breast, narrow waist, WONDERFUL pussy to lick, sweet mood, expensive, oral and pussy sex, no anal sex, speaks english.
http://flirt.com.ua/nika23_60/
nickname Tanya, real pictures, no breast, narrow waist, small lips come out the pussy like a flower, expensive and very experienced performer, too bitchy mood, oral and pussy and anal sex, speaks english
ПЛОХО
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=824
real pictures, in person she isn’t so young and beautiful, I didn’t try her performance
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=1532
Not real pictures, a different and ugly girl on Artema street 59/65 in Kiev, this profile may change phone number.
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=868
Not real pictures, a different and ugly girl on Artema street 59/65 in Kiev, this profile may change phone number.
on http://www.top-models.com.ua/, there are the following phone numbers:
+38 050 2185910
+38 066 1817367
they are phone numbers of fake profiles and scamming prostitutes, keep away from them!
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Moreover, I have prepared a long list of phone numbers to try but i haven't got time to try everyone: could somebody help me? I have got a good idea about River Palace's girls, too!
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Avoid places like Darnytsa. Stick to the center. Darnytsa ,Jindropark and all around have little to offer.
Coyote1302
03-01-08, 15:54
I will be making a very brief visit to Kiev in about 6 weeks, so I probably don't have time to date and hunt for freebies the way you experts do. I have read past escort website reviews on here, but they get out of date fast.- some close, others open, etc.
I am looking for the best experiences I can find, so I'm willing to pay for quality. Can someone recommend the best websites for quality girls (maybe even with real photos? ! ). And no, I don't speak Russian. :.(
Thanks a bunch.
Most Forums are very dead and so I assume are largely finished for mongering in all forms? Hungary, Romania, Poland, Estonia etc etc. Understandable now they are members of EU, not so poor and wised up?
By far, the most active (in Europe-ish) seem to be Ukraine, Russia and Dubai, although not so easy to understand, as Russia and Dubai are awash with cash and prices have shot up, which is also odd as 1,000's of girls are competing.
All BS I know but just wondered what members think?
How long until Ukraine ruined too?
May be time to move on.
Fox7717
AColonizer
03-01-08, 22:38
Often in economic market and in prostitution market, quality rate is not directly connect to price rate and this is the usual trick of businesswomen
I mean you could find a good GFE (real all sex) for 250$/night and a cold pussy fucking for 500$/night
my advices are:
1 - don't waste your money even if you are Putin's son,
2 - www.flirt.com.ua is a good site to understand mongering in Ukraine,
3 - quality mongering needs time and experience.
You haven't fucked good in Kiev yet? Come again to Kiev because Kiev is a city that deserves more than one visit.
I will be making a very brief visit to Kiev in about 6 weeks, so I probably don't have time to date and hunt for freebies the way you experts do. I have read past escort website reviews on here, but they get out of date fast.- some close, others open, etc.
I am looking for the best experiences I can find, so I'm willing to pay for quality. Can someone recommend the best websites for quality girls (maybe even with real photos? ! ). And no, I don't speak Russian. :.(
Thanks a bunch.
Avoid places like Darnytsa. Stick to the center. Darnytsa ,Jindropark and all around have little to offer.
I just thought that there would be more 18-21 students in areas like Darnitsa and Obolon since there is a lot of buildings there.
AColonizer
03-02-08, 12:51
1 *** "stop and go" sex tourists won't be succeed.
Master mongers didn't become master mongers in one week only and just few people become master mongers.
This forum is useful and it will be more useful when all users work together in places and girls' reviews.
2 ***
Kiev is still cheap in comparison of other European cities. You sometimes find cheaper and better sex in your own country but that is not the average. The problem in all over the world is about the quality rate and in Kiev too. For example, we want to find a young and beautiful girl always replies "yes" and this is not easy even when we pay that girl and it DOESN'T depend on price.
3 *** I think the cheaper solution is to marry a piggy Ukrainian girl and to keep her in Ukraine otherwise she will become another Western witch when you bring her to your own country.
4 ***
That's increbible in East Europe, more prostitutes are and more prices rise, there is something wrong in our debating. You see, U. S. A. Is afraid of a weak dollar and an economic recession and Europe has got a stupid economy with little work and a strong Euro: Western economy is growing less than it needs! Instead of Eastern economy is growing fast in spite of mafia and government criminals and most people are poor. This is another good reason to marry a piggy Ukrainian girl.
Most Forums are very dead and so I assume are largely finished for mongering in all forms? Hungary, Romania, Poland, Estonia etc etc. Understandable now they are members of EU, not so poor and wised up?
By far, the most active (in Europe-ish) seem to be Ukraine, Russia and Dubai, although not so easy to understand, as Russia and Dubai are awash with cash and prices have shot up, which is also odd as 1,000's of girls are competing.
All BS I know but just wondered what members think?
How long until Ukraine ruined too?
May be time to move on.
Fox7717EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Coyote1302
03-02-08, 14:23
2 - www.flirt.com.ua is a good site to understand mongering in Ukraine.Since I don't read Russian, I have trouble with Flirt. I've tried translating with Google, but it always gives a server error. Any suggestions?
Any way to translate this site into English within the home page?
1 *** "stop and go" sex tourists won't be succeed.
Master mongers didn't become master mongers in one week only and just few people become master mongers.
This forum is useful and it will be more useful when all users work together in places and girls' reviews.
2 *** Kiev is still cheap in comparison of other European cities. You sometimes find cheaper and better sex in your own country but that is not the average. The problem in all over the world is about the quality rate and in Kiev too. For example, we want to find a young and beautiful girl always replies "yes" and this is not easy even when we pay that girl and it DOESN'T depend on price.
3 *** I think the cheaper solution is to marry a piggy Ukrainian girl and to keep her in Ukraine otherwise she will become another Western witch when you bring her to your own country.
4 *** That's increbible in East Europe, more prostitutes are and more prices rise, there is something wrong in our debating. You see, U. S. A. Is afraid of a weak dollar and an economic recession and Europe has got a stupid economy with little work and a strong Euro: Western economy is growing less than it needs! Instead of Eastern economy is growing fast in spite of mafia and government criminals and most people are poor. This is another good reason to marry a piggy Ukrainian girl.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Ukraine/Kiev still the best for time being.
Many many quality girls.
Fox7717
Any way to translate this site into English within the home page?
Run the site through babel fish!
at http://www.ujut.net/6/98/ .
AColonizer
03-03-08, 13:19
In past months, somebody suggested something different, but I use www.imtranslator.com and this is perfect for me.
Just because www.flirt.com.ua is a REAL working site, Ukraine is a great country deserving a visit (sorry for my English).
Do you remember sites like www.adultfriendfinder.com, meetic or hundreds others? Bleahhh, they are frauds and cheatings worse than prostitutes!
Do you remember sites like www.adultfriendfinder.com, meetic or hundreds others? Bleahhh, they are frauds and cheatings worse than prostitutes!Does AFF have actual working girls or are they all fake?
Does AFF have actual working girls or are they all fake?Nearly all (obvious) fakes and scammers! The Ukraine section is one of the worst. I had a go just for a laugh over a few months and all contacts follow the same pattern trying to get suckers to part with their cash! (For 'translation fees' etc) The letters are all the same and mass produced, with photos taken from other websites. It's a numbers game and plenty of blokes send $1,000's have a look of the various websites listing known scammers.
Do not waste your time, effort or money on these idiots!
Fox7717
Nearly all (obvious) fakes and scammers! The Ukraine section is one of the worst. I had a go just for a laugh over a few months and all contacts follow the same pattern trying to get suckers to part with their cash! (For 'translation fees' etc) The letters are all the same and mass produced, with photos taken from other websites. It's a numbers game and plenty of blokes send $1,000's have a look of the various websites listing known scammers.
Do not waste your time, effort or money on these idiots!
Fox7717Hello all,
I know of an office in Lugansk that employs 6 girls working full time in correspondence for these scams. It often takes the form after 2 or 3 letters of "Tanya would love to continue to correspond with you but owes a balance of $blah blah with our translation agency".
AFF made me laugh too when I joined a few years back. Either it was a real person but needed to bring her translator along for a 5 course meal in the best restaurant in town with her or the profile had changed between my letter and her reply from "l love group sex" to "marriage and father for my 3 children".
There are a few scammers even on flirt/mailru/singles, usually for "mobile phone top ups" but most profiles are genuine. Always use the golden rule in Ukraine though "If it feels wrong, it is wrong".
IL
Hey if you guys are having problems trying to figure out how to use flirt.com.ua or single.ru try www.datinghelponline.net run by ISG's own Irish Lad. I had great luck using flirt.com.ua during my last trip. Met a lot of girls in Kiev and Sevastopol. Great for dating and p4p.
AColonizer
03-05-08, 00:18
I wonder what are you trying to do. When a site asks (too much) money for a service that usually is free, beh, I think there is something wrong.
Hey if you guys are having problems trying to figure out how to use flirt.com.ua or single.ru try www.datinghelponline.net run by ISG's own Irish Lad. I had great luck using flirt.com.ua during my last trip. Met a lot of girls in Kiev and Sevastopol. Great for dating and p4p.
I wonder what are you trying to do. When a site asks (too much) money for a service that usually is free, beh, I think there is something wrong.The site is an assistance package for people who don't speak Russian or who don't have the time to sit and spend 5/6 hours learning the navigation of the site.
How could anything be wrong? AFF etc charge $30+ a month for scam profiles yet people join. Singles is a valuable resource, and free for those that speak Russian and for those that don't but want to benefit, there's www.datinghelponline.net
IL
I have sponsored several girls throughout the 6 years that I travelled regularly to Ukraine, both in Kiev and in Odessa. Common for them has beenVery useful. Thanks.
AC, I've been telling everyone here there is something seriously wrong with you. But yet we have all grown numb to your reports on alternative reality Ukraine.
There have been a lot of people complaining lately that flirt.com.ua or singles.ru is too hard for them to use because they don't understand Russian. So you can do one of two things..learn Russian or use the site I metioned. I've had great luck in meeting girls from flirt.com.ua in both Kiev and Sevastopol.
I wonder what are you trying to do. When a site asks (too much) money for a service that usually is free, beh, I think there is something wrong.
Flirt is great way to get girls really, and if you cant speak russian you are missing out on something really, so why not pay a few $$$ to get a profile on there?
We dont have the cheapest of hobbies guys anyway.
AColonizer
03-06-08, 11:44
Ooohhh people, what a "funny" thing. I am sure, here, there is somebody that is not a fast and ingenous reader of your messages. In fact we see some masters advertise their own stuff or promote their own "girlfriends". That's OK but you can't stop people to talk about your own business! You are lucky because occasional mongers don't understand what you do.
About more important and useful information, just today i was reading an article
http://www.flb.ru/info/41858.html
I don't speak Russian and therefore I don't understand everything but this article tells about "particular" and famous strip-bars called Three Whales, Ranch and Cupid: does somebody know them? What do you think about them? If they are famous, why has nobody talked about them?
AColonizer
03-06-08, 11:47
What about my alternative reality, I am one of the very few people that writes specific prostitutes' reviews and these are the main tool to save money and time and to have a REAL good sex.
AC, your views are skewered by your own thoughts. Take that for what it's worth.
As far as 'unknown' strip clubs in Kiev. Most of the people who read and write in this forum never step outside of the area known as 'the center' in Kiev. Most people after spending a week or two in the center somehow mistakenly think this is what Kiev is..and then go further on to think this is representative of the Ukraine. Oh my point...all three strip clubs mentioned in the article are outside of the center. One - Rancho is new and is just starting to be advertised in foreign press. If 109 hadn't abandoned me in Kiev this year I'm sure we would have went and made a full report. :)
Fellow mongers,
I like massage parlours and made a very good experience.
In general, massage parlours are closing between 22.00 and 24.00 hours. You will find some ads in the local english newspapers or city guides. Anyway, I called Roksolana at midnight. An English speaking friendly lady answered the phone and I enjoyed a great time with Sveta. The massage she offered was outstanding, not comparable to any place I have been before. A lot of passion and fantasy and a wet pussy at the end. She has a very nice character. I gave her a tip of USD10. This MP is about 10 minutes from the city center in one of those ugly buildings. Don't get shocked about the entrance and elevator. Inside the appartment is very nice with a lot of positive athmosphere. Damage USD 50 for an hour.
http://roksolana-massage.com.ua/
Some hints;
Call the massage parlour and ask them to organize a taxi. They will tell you the price and where to wait for the taxi. They will organize as well the return. Do not go on your own as you will pay far too much and you will probably have some problems to find the place.
Hotel action;
Was staying in a downtown 3star hotel. In the evening you find hookers, some of them quite lovely body and face. Do not know the price but assume somewhere in the USD100 range. Could not test it as I was accompanied by business partners.
In genereal most beautiful ladies - looking forward to my next stay.
Hotel action;
Was staying in a downtown 3star hotel. In the evening you find hookers, some of them quite lovely body and face. Do not know the price but assume somewhere in the USD100 range. Could not test it as I was accompanied by business partners.
In genereal most beautiful ladies - looking forward to my next stay.
Which hotel? There are a few nice ones in the President lobby after 8pm. Rate is 150 us for one pop. 50 of that goes to the security goons.
Hotel Rus lobby never seemed to have anything worth a look.
LifeSavour
03-10-08, 23:00
You guys that live in USA, is this REAL.
Fawk!
NY Govenor caught using a WG!
2½-hour meeting with prostitute alleged in an affidavit obtained by NBC News, the FBI said the prostitute named Kristen was sent to Room 871 in an unidentified hotel where Client 9 was staying.
Client 9 asked to be reminded of what Kristen looked like and was told that she was an “American, petite, very pretty brunette, five feet five inches, and 105 pounds.”
The meeting apparently lasted from 9:36 p.m. ET, when Kristen arrived, until 12:02 a.m..
Kristen collected $4,300 from Client 9, according to the FBI affidavit. She said that the appointment went “very well” and that “she liked him and did not think he was difficult.”
The Web site of the Emperors Club VIP displays photographs of scantily clad women with their faces hidden, along with hourly rates depending on whether the prostitutes were rated with one diamond, the lowest ranking, or seven diamonds, the highest. The most highly ranked prostitutes cost $5,500 an hour, prosecutors said.
I think she was a $1.5k/hr girl. And the news reports mention how she took the train to DC from NYC.
I'm sure I've fucked pro's in Ukraine for $50-60/hr that make 'Kristen' look like dog meat. Maybe with all the time the Gov is suddenly going to find himself with he can start visiting Kiev. I'm sure the girls at Decadence will love him. Some guys just don't mind shoveling the girls the cash - must make up for other short comings. :D
One of the ex gov's of Massachusetts a while ago made the news over some outrageous credit card debt he was carrying - something like 90k. He came from a wealthy family and was a land developer in his own right. No one could figured out why his CC balance was so high - it kind of became a running joke in the media for a while. Of course no one mentioned his love of gambling and ho's. Which he was funding on the down lo at 19%. :D
Oh and for the record the most I ever paid was $750 for a night with a porn star in NYC. I had known her for a while and she called me out of the blue one night. She was bored and wanted to see me, the catch was she was in NYC and I was in Boston - I drive to NYC from Boston often so it wasn't a big deal. Made it in 3 hours flat, spent about 6 hours with her. Oh, and one of the best deals I ever got. I was working in NJ a few years ago and spotted a girl who looked like the porn star Gauge on a local escort website. I figured it had to be a scam, called up the website and booked an appointment - I made it a point to tell them if it wasn't the girl in the pic I was just going to shut the door in her face. Sure enough she showed up about 60 minutes later. Turns out she had just got out of the slam on drug charges and needed the $. $200/hr, not bad.
Doctor_Skank
03-11-08, 14:59
Two things are utterly ridiculous about this case:
1) the fact that having sex is a crime. Who cares if someone wants to pay for it. We are men... we NEEDS to GET LAID homey! I could just punch anybody in the face that thinks fucking should be a crime, for whatever reason.
2) the price. Obviously that's a ridiculous rate... wonder if she even kissed him, blew him BBBJ or let him get anywhere near her ass? The only reason to pay that much would be if you were stupidly rich and in a position (like him as a politician) where ABSOLUTE discretion/secrecy must be GUARANTEED. Well there are no guarantees when more than one person is involved.. so what's the point of paying such a horrendous sum?
Something about overpriced prostitutes just makes me hate them. It's like paying $75 for a Big Mac just "because".
Actually I'm surprised New Russians don't pay $75 for a Big Mac. You could enclosed it in a D&G throw away container with Swarovski crystals.
You might be on to something here Doc. :D
He's a politician Doc, so I'm sure it wasn't his money anyways.
Doctor_Skank
03-11-08, 15:09
Actually I'm surprised New Russians don't pay $75 for a Big Mac. You could enclosed it in a D&G throw away container with Swarovski crystals.
You might be on to something here Doc. :D
Sad but true... it'd sell. Maybe you could develop a "Lady Big Mac" that when you eat it it gives you gas and you fart Dior perfume? )))
James T Kirk
03-11-08, 17:58
Who manages part-time prostitutes, full time prostitutes, and their phone calls and prostitutes’ meetings? Some powerful pimps with their own criminal organization (prostitution, drugs and weapons) or just occasional people need money? And also a lot of indipendent prostitutes don’t seem to be actually indipendent because their faces become worried when they talk about their “friends”.
Moreover, can I have a human relationship with a full time prostitute or have I just to play the p2p dirty drama? In my opinion, a lot of full time prostitutes are drug addicted and so everything, that they hear, is detailed reported to their pimps and everything, that I say, could be dangerous to me.
Can anybody report something about that?
You guys that live in USA, is this REAL.
Fawk!
NY Govenor caught using a WG!
2½-hour meeting with prostitute alleged in an affidavit obtained by NBC News, the FBI said the prostitute named Kristen was sent to Room 871 in an unidentified hotel where Client 9 was staying.
Client 9 asked to be reminded of what Kristen looked like and was told that she was an “American, petite, very pretty brunette, five feet five inches, and 105 pounds.”
The meeting apparently lasted from 9:36 p.m. ET, when Kristen arrived, until 12:02 a.m..
Kristen collected $4,300 from Client 9, according to the FBI affidavit. She said that the appointment went “very well” and that “she liked him and did not think he was difficult.”
The Web site of the Emperors Club VIP displays photographs of scantily clad women with their faces hidden, along with hourly rates depending on whether the prostitutes were rated with one diamond, the lowest ranking, or seven diamonds, the highest. The most highly ranked prostitutes cost $5,500 an hour, prosecutors said.I would expect Jessica Alba for that!
Fox7717
with a rattle like that i strongly suggest you stick to peer to peer networking and avoid pay 4 play networking. :d you are just going to hurt yourself.
most working girls have a pimp or a suitcase pimp. if you don't understand any of these terms google is your friend.
and yes, the most important thing to a pimped out drug addled ho is making sure she makes a detailed report to her pimp about you so she can put the sqeeze on you with mrs kirk for the enterprise.
i see a light on in the bridge but i don't think anyone is home.
moreover, can i have a human relationship with a full time prostitute or have i just to play the p2p dirty drama? in my opinion, a lot of full time prostitutes are drug addicted and so everything, that they hear, is detailed reported to their pimps and everything, that i say, could be dangerous to me.
can anybody report something about that?
Hi guys saw this on another part of the forum and thought it would be helpful for the new guys to get a grip on the kiev layout and what is where.
http://www.isaw-db.com/map_kiv.html
with a rattle like that i strongly suggest you stick to peer to peer networking and avoid pay 4 play networking. :d you are just going to hurt yourself.
most working girls have a pimp or a suitcase pimp. if you don't understand any of these terms google is your friend.
and yes, the most important thing to a pimped out drug addled ho is making sure she makes a detailed report to her pimp about you so she can put the sqeeze on you with mrs kirk for the enterprise.
i see a light on in the bridge but i don't think anyone is home.gets more interesting and real with cd back?
is there anyone you'd pay $5,000/hr for?
(doubt it, just curious)
kox7717
Bez Bezarra
03-12-08, 12:08
Well, if the total bullshit about Governor Spitzer paying $4000 for a hooker wasn't bad enough, the big sex story in today's news is about teenage girls.
One out of every two black teenage girls, or for you retard mongers, that's 50%, have an STD. Gotta hit that brown sugar!
And one out of four hispanic teenage girls has an STD also. Nice to know that in the good old USA, its certainly not an abstinance sex prison is you're a black or hispanic, and that you've got the best shot at going bareback with ethnic girls. Just keep your medical insurance premiums up to date, since you're gonna need to see your doctor to take care of that little problem, you know,the yellow pus dripping out of your dick since you fucked that little hood rat gang banger homey ho.
BUT!!!
Remember boys and girls, the useful lesson we all were taught in that most educational blockbuster film Die Hard 3, with our teacher Bruce Willis, blockhead superstar. The underlying message of that movie as described by Bruce's computer nerd sidekick, was that absolutely 100% of all news disseminated to the public via TV, radio, newspapers, etc, is completely controlled by corporations that manipulate information to their own good, so that EVERYTHING that is seen and heard is being carefully spoon fed to the public and for very specific reasons with specific outcomes in mind.
So in this case, the purpose of this news is obvious. Oh, well I saw on TV that teenage girls aren't clean, so therefore 200 million males in the USA will now either never fuck a teenage girl, or if they do, they will never fuck one without a condom.
Congratulations mister Propaganda Minister! Your objective has been accomplished! Oops, you forgot about the 40 millions beaners and brothas that pay zero attention to the media!
Hey Q, that is one cool map. A little outdated but nice. I usually pick up a Kiev city map whenever I'm flying intercity on UAL.
Hey Bez, kinda odd how they omit the number of guys with STD's. I think the major STD is HPV, which supposedly isn't harmful to men.
You mean would I pay 5k to fuck Jenna Jameson or the model on the latest issue of SI, for a weekend, maybe, for an hour – no way.
Why would I do that when Christine a 21 year old college student from Boston is just as good looking and willing to do it for $200 for the night. Or Olya from Lugansk is probably better looking and willing to tango for $100. I remember reading recently how Charlie Sheen paid Chloe Jones 15k for a night. One has to wonder why he would do something like. He must have better looking groupies waiting to get a piece of him. Convenience? Because he can? He grew up living a privileged life so his outlook is probably a lot different then mine. :D
The older I get the less I pay for p4p. There are just way too many hot girls out there looking to do it for free or for a modest user fee. I'm going to be at the top of the game for about the next ten years. Then it's all downhill. :D
I’m back? I didn’t realize I was gone. I caught a bad case of the flu my last 2-3 days in Kiev and just got over it a few days ago.
Is there anyone you'd pay $5,000/hr for?
The thing about these silver spoon guys is that they want to outdo one another by paying the most for a ho. Their mindset is the opposite to ours - value for money is the last thing they want. All that and I bet they wouldn't even expect to kiss (it's well known that politicians only kiss babies and children :))
WGs in central London hotel bars usually want £300 an hour (for a 7/10) and cater to a mostly Arab clientele. Obviously it's not very discreet as everyone knows who the 5* hotel hos are.
For god's sake don't let Mr Spritzer anywhere near River Palace. He'll wreck that place for good. Just gently direct him towards the GIA website. After all, it is probably the Emperor's Club of Ukraine :)
Hey, the photo's and ID of the girl involved in the NY Gov sex scandal have been released.
Pay $1k/hr for her? I wouldn't even bother talking to her if I saw her at River Palace. No accounting for taste. :)
Here are some pics (Hope I can post)
http://www.beersteak.com/breaking-news/ashley-alexandra-dupre-eliot-spitzer-hooker-pics-bio/
I agree. $1k/hr or whatever it is too much but I would still give her a go.
Starchild2012
03-13-08, 22:28
Remember boys and girls, the useful lesson we all were taught in that most educational blockbuster film Die Hard 3, with our teacher Bruce Willis, blockhead superstar. The underlying message of that movie as described by Bruce's computer nerd sidekick, was that absolutely 100% of all news disseminated to the public via TV, radio, newspapers, etc, is completely controlled by corporations that manipulate information to their own good, so that EVERYTHING that is seen and heard is being carefully spoon fed to the public and for very specific reasons with specific outcomes in mind.
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Wow.....the die hard 3 side kick nerd words was stuck in my mind since i saw that movie..it is perfect to put it now..it is all propaganda to save the teens i guess or some twisted agenda by the US agency..all news and media it seems are self serving for their own good.
Telos, except for her bolt on rack and an okay body she seems kinda fugly. Seems very non upscale too (with the exception of price). Probably ran away from home, went to NYC became a low level prostitute and/or dancer and has worked her way up the ladder.
There should be about 50 or so much better looking girls then her at RP tonight looking for $200-300 for the night. :D
You mean would I pay 5k to fuck Jenna Jameson or the model on the latest issue of SI, for a weekend, maybe, for an hour – no way.
Why would I do that when Christine a 21 year old college student from Boston is just as good looking and willing to do it for $200 for the night. Or Olya from Lugansk is probably better looking and willing to tango for $100. I remember reading recently how Charlie Sheen paid Chloe Jones 15k for a night. One has to wonder why he would do something like. He must have better looking groupies waiting to get a piece of him. Convenience? Because he can? He grew up living a privileged life so his outlook is probably a lot different then mine. :D
The older I get the less I pay for p4p. There are just way too many hot girls out there looking to do it for free or for a modest user fee. I'm going to be at the top of the game for about the next ten years. Then it's all downhill. :D
I’m back? I didn’t realize I was gone. I caught a bad case of the flu my last 2-3 days in Kiev and just got over it a few days ago.Glad 'your back' CD. Always worth a read.
(Like you?) I have met such girls and it's not usually that they are so stunning (or even a great fuck) just very clever marketing and selling exclusivity, class or some such bullshit. Hell, if she could get$1,000/hour why would she do only one punter a week?
Jenna Jameson? Surely a bit old for you? Maybe Christa Wagner?
Fox7717
Bez Bezzara: I though Die Hard 3 was pretty crap, but Megan Fox kept me watching. Is she worth paying over the odds for?
Photos of Larisa still working in Kiev for gia escort service.
Prices are more and more expensive.
Gokhan if you read me try this girl you will like her.I know her. Really old horse-))) Guys don't use her. And this agency gia have some girls during last 8 years, they don't change their photos, only sometimes add more and more Photoshop, their old ladies not 19 (19+8=27 y.o) Scams again
I know her. Really old horse-))) Guys don't use her. And this agency gia have some girls during last 8 years, they don't change their photos, only sometimes add more and more Photoshop, their old ladies not 19 (19+8=27 y.o) Scams againYeah I don't recommend anything this guy talks about or says.
Funnily enough I think Ashley Alexandra Dupre (to use her official name) does look very much like a Ukrainian girl - maybe because of her southern European colouring and strong features? I've seen many girls who look just like her at RP asking $300 for 2 hours. They usually get $200 in the end.
Personally I wouldn't say no (for $200/night). She looks like she'd know what to do..
Has I am going to Kiev for the first time next week I am looking for a great driver.
Do any of you know one? Please PM me with the contact information.
PS: I will make a report later on.
Ash, I think she's of Brazilian extract. I used to bang a 1st generation Ukrainian semi pro in the Boston area who looked some what like her but had finer features for $500/weekend.
Telos, as far as VV goes he is indeed an enigma. I remember reading over in the Russian forum the other day that Helena knows he's for real because she (or someone she knows) set up some dates for him. And then there was the Arab student in Lugansk who also said VV was for real.
Is he? Does it really matter if he is? He’s more then a little wacky and most of the picture he posts are of what looks like bottom rung Odessa port ho’s.
I know guy in Kiev who is Turkish and who posts on this forum. He says that I am real too http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=709240&postcount=34
Somebody knows this pig???
http://flirt.com.ua/Lapousenka/
She is promisig wonderful things and she is the next door type I like some alredy banged her?
IT
IT, don't overpay for a 4.5 (remember 5 is average, if she wasn't a chub she'd be just average for a Ukrainian girl). But she could also be a gateway to her other 19 year old ho/sl ut friends. :D
VV, you probably are real. We just don't want to believe it. :)
IT, don't overpay for a 4.5 (remember 5 is average, if she wasn't a chub she'd be just average for a Ukrainian girl). But she could also be a gateway to her other 19 year old ho/sl ut friends. :D
VV, you probably are real. We just don't want to believe it. :)
For sure Crusier... I think I overpay a little Inga 400 USD a day (260 € now), but she is doing all you want, including cum slurping... I'm so sad she hasen't a girlfriend... to make a real cum sharing... ;)
By the way http://flirt.com.ua/Lapousenka/ is 21 or so, and I'm not seeking stunners, just real pigs... Like Inga going with me and taking a drink at Arena with Irish Lad (and his girlfriend) but she was plugged!!! ;)
IT
Yeah IT, $400/day is way too much for these girls, I can get better looking 'pigs' for that in the US - why are you paying that in Kiev? $100-200 is closer to what you should be paying in Kiev for 24hrs.
Doctor_Skank
03-16-08, 17:47
For sure Crusier... I think I overpay a little Inga 400 USD a day (260 € now), but she is doing all you want, including cum slurping... I'm so sad she hasen't a girlfriend... to make a real cum sharing... ;)
By the way http://flirt.com.ua/Lapousenka/ is 21 or so, and I'm not seeking stunners, just real pigs... Like Inga going with me and taking a drink at Arena with Irish Lad (and his girlfriend) but she was plugged!!! ;)
IT
I'd give her a 6... :) Cruiser is just a mean judge. He gave Oksana Baiul a 5,5 for her skating routine at the 1994 Olympics and nearly cost her the medal. How I cursed him back then!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oksana_Baiul
But IT, she's not really marketable from a Ukrainian perspective, you should be able to go less than $400.
I'd give her a 6... :) Cruiser is just a mean judge. He gave Oksana Baiul a 5,5 for her skating routine at the 1994 Olympics and nearly cost her the medal. How I cursed him back then!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oksana_Baiul
But IT, she's not really marketable from a Ukrainian perspective, you should be able to go less than $400.
Who the linked or Inga?
Inga is may be overpaid and not a beauty, but what a pig!!!! you have seen the pics?
IT
AColonizer
03-16-08, 18:23
Dear Cruiser, you should be right if. .
I agree with you about girls' prices in Kiev and Ukraine. And Kiev is the most expensive area in Ukraine.
But there is a real fact: why real nice girls, for example, in River Palace and www.flirt.com. Ua, ask for 80-100$/hour for little sex? This is the mirror of the sex market in Kiev now and those prices are the result of bid/ask market law.
Therefore I am sure there are thousands of men paying for 80-100$/hour just for a pussy fucking because too many girls ask for high prices and low services and it is more and more hard to negotiate with them.
I am sure masters haven't this problem but masters are few. And I am sure there is something unknown or hidden to most mongers.
Can you explain what is actually happening?
Yeah IT, $400/day is way too much for these girls, I can get better looking 'pigs' for that in the US - why are you paying that in Kiev? $100-200 is closer to what you should be paying in Kiev for 24hrs.
Doctor_Skank
03-16-08, 22:37
Who the linked or Inga?
Inga is may be overpaid and not a beauty, but what a pig!!!! you have seen the pics?
IT
I was making a joke, I do not think Oksana Baiul is turning tricks... she's a famous Ukrainian figure skater who won the gold medal in 1994.
But regarding your pig, she certainly looks piggish and I am sure she'd be a good fuck. I just think you could probably negotiate lower than $400, considering she's kind of chubby for Ukrainian standards.
But if she's worth $400 to you and she is what turns your crank, go for it!
Dear Cruiser, you should be right if. .
I agree with you about girls' prices in Kiev and Ukraine. And Kiev is the most expensive area in Ukraine.
But there is a real fact: why real nice girls, for example, in River Palace and www.flirt.com. Ua, ask for 80-100$/hour for little sex? This is the mirror of the sex market in Kiev now and those prices are the result of bid/ask market law.
An hour of sex should cost between $50-70 from the dating sites or at a salon. At RP it's going to be about $200 for 2-3 hours.
Yeah IT, $400/day is way too much for these girls, I can get better looking 'pigs' for that in the US - why are you paying that in Kiev? $100-200 is closer to what you should be paying in Kiev for 24hrs.
$100/24 hours? Doesn't sound very realistic to me, at least not for pros/sponsored girls. You've got much more time in Kiev than I have, but I've never heard of anything that low... not for a single day and certainly not for 24 hours. Or is that spread over a few days, like $500 for a week?
I was making a joke, I do not think Oksana Baiul is turning tricks... she's a famous Ukrainian figure skater who won the gold medal in 1994.
But regarding your pig, she certainly looks piggish and I am sure she'd be a good fuck. I just think you could probably negotiate lower than $400, considering she's kind of chubby for Ukrainian standards.
But if she's worth $400 to you and she is what turns your crank, go for it!
An hour of sex should cost between $50-70 from the dating sites or at a salon. At RP it's going to be about $200 for 2-3 hours.
$100/24 hours? Doesn't sound very realistic to me, at least not for pros/sponsored girls. You've got much more time in Kiev than I have, but I've never heard of anything that low... not for a single day and certainly not for 24 hours. Or is that spread over a few days, like $500 for a week?
Dear Doc... I know she is not a beauty... but have rock hard tits (like cast iron) and is ready to do what you want... if you say her to lick your cum from a plate she'll do it!
By the way she is still a little bit naive, and terribly excited, just because a newbye. She is paying her college and rent and food. And she do not have many "customers". Some regular "friends".
The crazy thing is that wen back from a walk for shopping some drinks wi started kissing and cuddling on the sofa... 3-4 minutes and the jeans where wet and she was asking to go in the bedroom... what shall you do with a suck girl even she is not a beauty?
She reminds me a chubby blondinka very nice I sponsored in Moscow... met went in the hotel and she started a BBBJ going on to the end, and not leaving my best friend before he was soft, relaxed and really clean! Her comment was simple: "tasty!"... These are the types of girls I'm searching and willing to pay for, even if they are only 5s or 6s.
IT
PS one of the reason I liked MT, the BBBJ + CIM when she was a little drunk was really outstanding... :D
I.t. She reminds me of an apartment girl I had the pleasure of a couple of months back, she was also pretty keen to enjoy herself.
The apartment I refer to is the one thats just 100m from arena for those of you who may know it!
I would just for the fun of it BTW ;o)
AColonizer
03-17-08, 11:01
Ok. Listen to me:
You know GIA prices 150-200$/first hour
You read prices from girls at www.flirt.com. Ua, all girls ask minimum 100$/first hour. For instance, I see a newbie the first day asked for 120$/3 hours and the day after she asked for 300$/3 hours and she didn't want to negotiate: of course she found a lot of customers (not me) that paid her minimum 100$/hour.
And so on.
Last year an Ukrainian man took me to her girl and she asked 40$/hour but no anal and no oral without.
I found sponsoring girls for 500/600/800$/week too but few.
Price is the second problem.
The first problem is the level of service. For instance, the cum slurping should be the standard for every prostitute: I ask, I pay and you make as I want. No, it is very hard to find a NICE girl always answering "yes".
The last matter is the girls' mood. When I respect the sex provider and I pay how much she wants, I don't want to listen blames and lies otherwise you return my money. Do you think it is possible?
An hour of sex should cost between $50-70 from the dating sites or at a salon. At RP it's going to be about $200 for 2-3 hours.
$100/day easy, there is about 50,000 girls like that in Kiev that will fuck you for free. $400/day is insane. A girl like that should easily go for $500/wk – even that is overpriced. She should jump at $1k/month even that is crazy for her quality.
Quality poon, 7-9 will cost you $80-$100 at a salon now. You can still find girls on dating sites for $50-$70.
she's kind of chubby for Ukrainian standards.
But if she's worth $400 to you and she is what turns your crank, go for it!
An hour of sex should cost between $50-70 from the dating sites or at a salon. At RP it's going to be about $200 for 2-3 hours.
$100/24 hours? Doesn't sound very realistic to me, at least not for pros/sponsored girls. You've got much more time in Kiev than I have, but I've never heard of anything that low... not for a single day and certainly not for 24 hours. Or is that spread over a few days, like $500 for a week?
IT, sounds like she left the village a long time ago. She’s either super naïve for asking you for $400/day (I’m sure she initially asked for more) or she knows the game a lot better then you do. :D
By the way she is still a little bit naive, and terribly excited, just because a newbye. She is paying her college and rent and food. And she do not have many "customers". Some regular "friends".
Q, which apartment are you talking about? There are three that I know of within 100m of Arena. :)
Cruiser, the one up the street towards the lexus dealership in the direction of Pecherskij, I think the roads called bassin?
Any hows 10 girls there not a real good looker amongst them.
But a mans got to do what a mans got to do, and VV does the rest!!!!
But hey I have yet to find a good place in kiev apartment wise!
Q, the apartments are hit or miss - usually miss. The best time to go is between 2000-2200. If you have their number call ahead and tell them you want some really hot girls to pick from. I remember a few years back I pick up a 7 and traveling male picked up a 8 at one of the $80 places.
I almost pick up a girl I saw when me and Doc went to an apartment in Feb but going there was more of an afterthought and I already had plans for the night. :D
Yeah, I know the apartment you are talking about. It used to be a $60/hr place a few years ago. :D
Doctor_Skank
03-17-08, 16:37
$100/day easy, there is about 50,000 girls like that in Kiev that will fuck you for free. $400/day is insane. A girl like that should easily go for $500/wk – even that is overpriced. She should jump at $1k/month even that is crazy for her quality.
I know all about the kind you fuck for free, that's my market... but I have never heard of a girl (you just met) saying she'll be your girlfriend for 24 hours for $100. I guess I am not trying hard enough, if $100 was going to get the job done that quickly it might have saved me some small talk and a couple of drinks.
So far for me it's either been for free or for more standard prices as I really don't want a pro hanging around longer than a few hours anyway, so my experience with pros has been more conventional. I've never actively sponsored girls in Kiev and the girls I trolled on the internet about sponsorship were asking more (usually about $200-300) and not too interested in budging.
Doc, it's just like the old joke. Once you get her to admit she's a ho then it down to negotiations. The FSU mentality of ‘helping out’ helps at this point. A poor horny schoolgirl, $100 and a night on the town all wind up as a winning combination. A friend of mine who lives in Ukraine, and most FSU embeds are masters at this. Spoiled ‘Center Girls’ are less apt to go for this unless they like you at some level. They can easily make $200-$400 night working the clubs or have a guy or two like IT in their phone books. A buddy of mine is sponsoring a 18 year old hard body in Kiev for $1k/month but he also shows her a pretty good lifestyle. I never really got into long term p4p in Kiev because I don’t spend enough time there and I have way too many freebies on the hook. If I were in Kiev long term I’d probably cut my serial dating down to a quarter. Have two monthly sponsored girls and spend more time at the clubs (cough, Irish Lad).
I’m not saying every p4p girl is going to be open to being a sex slave for $100 but with the right approach a 50% success rate shouldn’t be a problem at all. Approaching a girl cold and saying, hey want to be my fuck buddy for $100/day generally isn’t going to work. But IT says they are more long term projects, $400/day is nuts at that point. IT, how often do you go to Kiev? I think I could make a good living being your pimp. :D
Doctor_Skank
03-17-08, 20:25
The FSU mentality of ‘helping out’ helps at this point. A poor horny schoolgirl, $100 and a night on the town all wind up as a winning combination. A friend of mine who lives in Ukraine, and most FSU embeds are masters at this.
Makes sense in theory and I'd be anxious to try it out for a simple reason, the fact that you paid her $100 gives you a certain bit of leverage... she has after all when accepting the cash already admitted to being a *****, no matter how "good" she may later pretend to be... :)
But quite honestly, I haven't yet had to have a reason to pay horny schoolgirls... they react very well to a few kind words as well, as long as you are ready to go for the kill when it's time.
I still might try the $100 method in a club soon, just for sport.
This freebie in the pic still has the pink club band on her wrist. Taken at about 5 am.
Ok. Listen to me:
The first problem is the level of service. For instance, the cum slurping should be the standard for every prostitute: I ask, I pay and you make as I want. No, it is very hard to find a NICE girl always answering "yes".
The last matter is the girls' mood. When I respect the sex provider and I pay how much she wants, I don't want to listen blames and lies otherwise you return my money. Do you think it is possible?
Few rules apply everywhere (and also in Kiev) to get better level of service:
1) Check for sort of connection... (Acid test is about the first words you exchange... if she goes straight to quotation without asking for your name or your origin, it's a bad sign)
2) don't give all the money before the intercourse. If your ho' insists, give some, show you have all the agreed amount, maybe promise a tip, but don't give everything
3) Treat the girls firmly but with respect. Don't outline she is just a *****
Seems that I made a lot of discusssion with my price report....
By the way in can I know the film title where you get an obedient girl making all you want in Kiev for 100 $$$ a day???
Plese send me links and telephones (and I'll nail them)... I got a bargain two for a night for 300 and a nice dinner worth 100...
But you know pigs are few... and chased!
Who has really fucked a girl (not for an hour, I'm not interested, in all the holes, and CIM, COF, swallowing) for a day (it's 24 hours I remind) for 100 $$$ can send me the name. After fucking I'll reward him with the same 100 Franklin note ...
I AM VERY INTERESTED!!!!
Doc I think somebody here has never been in Kiev!
IT
PS I know that sometimes I overpay, but I get what I want, nearly always so...
makes sense in theory and i'd be anxious to try it out for a simple reason, the fact that you paid her $100 gives you a certain bit of leverage... she has after all when accepting the cash already admitted to being a *****, no matter how "good" she may later pretend to be... :)
but quite honestly, i haven't yet had to have a reason to pay horny schoolgirls... they react very well to a few kind words as well, as long as you are ready to go for the kill when it's time.
i still might try the $100 method in a club soon, just for sport.
this freebie in the pic still has the pink club band on her wrist. taken at about 5 am.
doc there are some we or i pay and some for free... so what's the problem... (miss u. is for free, miss ira is for free, etc... inga costs, loli...ta was costing but who have been there was happy to pay!)
in kiev if you show up some money you will get lots for free (the problem is that most are ****!)... if you go, for instance to zhytomyr you can get what you want, and it's just 130 km from kiev.
no other comments...
it
$100/day easy, there is about 50,000 girls like that in Kiev that will fuck you for free. $400/day is insane. A girl like that should easily go for $500/wk – even that is overpriced. She should jump at $1k/month even that is crazy for her quality.
Quality poon, 7-9 will cost you $80-$100 at a salon now. You can still find girls on dating sites for $50-$70.
IT, sounds like she left the village a long time ago. She’s either super naïve for asking you for $400/day (I’m sure she initially asked for more) or she knows the game a lot better then you do. :D
Q, which apartment are you talking about? There are three that I know of within 100m of Arena. :)
I just would like to see the pics of these 100 USD/day girls...
If you are a "westener" it's what you are supposed to spend for a girl in a dinnner and some gifts... so it's for free. I really do not undersatnd when you go out in YOUR country with a girl... how much do you spend in an evening 10 USD???
Seems a crazy thing.
I still rememebre the standard tariff in Moscow (hundreds of years ago) 100$/night in four star five star hotels (bribes included)... so...
IT
PS I just add the Ivol Sample, you can see her in a lot of pic (she do not want to get naked... one and half days of nice sex... a Cavalli bag (80 €), a nice aperitive at Arena (15 €) and some Italian cheese dinner home (20 €) and the next day some ikra and drinks (30 €)... and you put in your bed tis beauty? and you say it's too much... CRAZY!
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=688244&postcount=835
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=688233&postcount=834
Forgot she wanted a USB key too... some of my pics are on her page on flirt now (Mystery Tramp too...)
Q, the apartments are hit or miss. Usually miss. The best time to go is between 2000-2200. If you have their number call ahead and tell them you want some really hot girls to pick from. I remember a few years back I pick up a 7 and traveling male picked up a 8 at one of the $80 places.
I almost pick up a girl I saw when me and Doc went to an apartment in Feb but going there was more of an afterthought and I already had plans for the night. : D
Yeah, I know the apartment you are talking about. It used to be a $60/hr place a few years ago. : DThere is an apartment across the street of cholate near the stadium that has some of the best looking hos I have seen in kiev.
I have the number if anyone wants it. Pm me.
DJ FourMoney
03-18-08, 00:30
All this talk of paying and I went once and never paid...(per say)
I'm pretty sure I can go back and not pay again, I am sure I can find a Ukrainian girl that's "down for the brown" and won't ask for a penny.
What's wrong with Oksana Baiul? lol, she's hot, who doesn't think she is, D? lol
He's jaded!
AColonizer
03-18-08, 14:32
now i understand because it is not easy for me to nail a freebie: i always hide my wallet down in my panties :-)
so are you sure? when i show 250$ in my wallet, all youngsters run to me? ;-) or is it better to show 500$?
in kiev if you show up some money you will get lots for free (the problem is that most are ****!)... if you go, for instance to zhytomyr you can get what you want, and it's just 130 km from kiev.
it
"Mills, 40, walked away from court with a settlement worth about $34,000 for every day of her marriage to the 65-year-old McCartney."
And we think $400/day in Kiev is too expensive. :D
NetViking 2008
03-18-08, 15:08
Hi, I just come back from Kiev, was my first time there and I was in President hotel.
Who wrote that there are few nice girls in lobby bar?
I've been there 3 nights, everyday there are the same 5 lady, all over 30, a couple sure over 40 and really not beautifoul.
May be is only my experience and was bad luck last week but at the moment I don't suggest to go there for lady. For hotel is ok!
Doctor_Skank
03-18-08, 16:13
"Mills, 40, walked away from court with a settlement worth about $34,000 for every day of her marriage to the 65-year-old McCartney."
And we think $400/day in Kiev is too expensive. :D
And she's whining she didn't get enough. Apparently there were some sordid details about their marriage that came out during the proceedings and the nature of the details reduced her take considerably. She's suing to keep those details under wraps. Some of her past is already known... like many up and coming grade B models in the UK, she used to fuck Arabs for cash in her early years... back when she was still a biped.
Considering his ridiculous wealth, her 23,4 million pounds was pocket change for Paul, even though the settlement was the 7th largest in celebrity history.
Never marry without a pre-nup.
Gentleman Travel
03-18-08, 17:12
Two things are utterly ridiculous about this case:
1) the fact that having sex is a crime. Who cares if someone wants to pay for it. We are men... we NEEDS to GET LAID homey! I could just punch anybody in the face that thinks fucking should be a crime, for whatever reason.
2) the price. Obviously that's a ridiculous rate...
The stupid guy is being pilloried for the crime of paying for sex.
The REAL CRIME should be HOW MUCH he paid for sex!
He is too stupid to be Governor!
And the other crime is that the FBI are wasting time and resources on this sort of crap. Aren't there any real crimes in America to keep them busy?
I had forgotten that prositution is illegal in the US.
It isn't in Canada (but "soliciting" is, go figure!) and I don't think it is in most western countries.
$34,000 for every day of her marriage to the 65-year-old McCartney.
Daniella Cicarelli, Ronaldo's ex-fiancee, did better.
I think she has established a new record for GFE payment when they broke up and when he had to pay his "exit fee": us$5,000,000 ..almost $70,000 per relationship day.
An excellent wage.
I just would like to see the pics of these 100 USD/day girls...
If you are a "westener" it's what you are supposed to spend for a girl in a dinnner and some gifts... so it's for free. I really do not undersatnd when you go out in YOUR country with a girl... how much do you spend in an evening 10 USD???
Seems a crazy thing.
I still rememebre the standard tariff in Moscow (hundreds of years ago) 100$/night in four star five star hotels (bribes included)... so...
IT
PS I just add the Ivol Sample, you can see her in a lot of pic (she do not want to get naked... one and half days of nice sex... a Cavalli bag (80 €), a nice aperitive at Arena (15 €) and some Italian cheese dinner home (20 €) and the next day some ikra and drinks (30 €)... and you put in your bed tis beauty? and you say it's too much... CRAZY!
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=688244&postcount=835
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=688233&postcount=834
Forgot she wanted a USB key too... some of my pics are on her page on flirt now (Mystery Tramp too...)
Does this means that you got to open up the wallet and pay if you want good time?
AColonizer
03-19-08, 14:45
Therefore, aren't they real prostitutes?
I would like to talk about these stories to Pope and ask him what is the difference between a streetwalker and a well-paid former married woman? Just a Catholic wedding?
Daniella Cicarelli, Ronaldo's ex-fiancee, did better.
I think she has established a new record for GFE payment when they broke up and when he had to pay his "exit fee": us$5,000,000 ..almost $70,000 per relationship day.
An excellent wage.
That's an easy one. The streetwalker is the honest one. :D
Hey, I just found this while web surfing. It's a fluff piece written about how Moscow women are looking to snare wealthy husbands. I knew there was a school in the FSU that taught sucking cock! ;)
http://lifestyle.msn.com/mindbodyandsoul/womenintheworld/articlemc.aspx?cp-documentid=6390157&page=1
Marriage is just an expensive and inflexible way to do prostitution. The better the deal we get for ourselves, the more 'immoral' we men are.
Does this means that you got to open up the wallet and pay if you want good time?
You just pick them up in front of the disco, or on the street and bang them? I think it do not work, a dinner or so is always required...
IT
i am telling you now, there is absolutely no need to pay for it. not sex and not booze. not too long ago i walked into one of the local strip clubs alone and although it was early and not crowded i asked to be seated away from the stage. i had only just received my first beer when one of the dancers made a bee line for my table an sat down next to me. she introduced herself as luda and asked if i wanted some company. i said sure and asked her if she wanted a beer. now, just for information, luda was a very sexy little minx with a tight body, great ass, tits, and a beautiful mouth.
this is where you have to pay attention. read above. i asked her if she wanted a beer. not wine, not champagne, not an over priced and overly watered mixed drink. just a beer. she said no and asked if i would buy her a cocktail. i then asked what she wanted and how much it would cost. she told me it would be equal to $20. i laughed and told her to hit the road. she was a little put off but told me that she wanted to sit with me and asked what i would be willing to buy her. i told her that i was drinking beer and that she could have beer or any thing that was the same price as a beer. a lesson for all of you mongers out there. do not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) your money away on these over priced drinks in the bars and clubs. just tell the girls what you are wiling to buy and they can either stay or go. luda decided to stay and ordered some kind of alcoholic drink that was charged to me at the same price as a beer.
i sat there and drank and watched the dancers for about three hours and luda was at my side the entire time. she kept ordering her cheap drinks and we had a great time talking in between the lap dances that she kept giving me, again for free except for a buck or two tip for each song. are you getting the picture yet? you do not have to spend a fortune to have a good time.
when i decided to leave i asked luda when she got off of work and if she wanted to come over to my place for some better quality drinks and a workout. luda stated that she was not "that kind of girl" and did not go home with customers. although i was disappointed i asked her for her number and told her that i would call her the next day to take her out to lunch. she agreed and gave me her number and i departed for home. it was a good night and did not cost me that much. i got drunk, had a hottie on my lap all night, and knew that i would at the very least have company for the next afternoon.
i called luda the next day and invited her to lunch, with the caveat that i was not going to take her to some rip-off "new russian" joint that charged $20 for a salad. luda recommended a locals restaurant and we agreed to meet a few hours later. i was actually surprised when i arrived that although the place was not one of the uber modern cafes that catered to the rich or foreign, it was very nice and actually had a selection of home brews on tap. luda was a little late and i had finished two of their delicious white summer ales before she arrived. well, it was definitely worth the wait.
luda came through the door with painted on blue jeans and the requisite 3-inch heels that really made her body look incredible. she was also wearing a pink tank top with a black push-up bra that showed a great deal of cleavage. before she arrived i wasn’t sure if i would score or not, but after seeing her in this outfit i knew that i was in.
luda sat down and we enjoyed some more beers and some appetizers and had some really great conversation about our lives and jobs. once we were both equally lubricated by the beers i simply said, "let’s get out of here and do something else. " she agreed and i paid the bill and we went out to my car. the topic of sex never came up in our conversation and we didn’t even discuss where we would go from the restaurant. we simply exited and got in the car.
another point for all of you out there. you must have the mindset that i am going to fuck this girl, even if the topic has not come up. i am not talking about some lame [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) scenario, just that you know she would not have agreed to meet you unless she had the same thing in mind as you. she wants to get between the sheets.
i started driving to my apartment and we had another nice conversation in the car. i pulled up to the building, parked the car, and helped her out from her side. we walked up the stairs to my apartment and entered into the kitchen. i made us each a drink and cut up some kielbasa, cheese, and crackers and we sat in the spartan kitchen drinking our cocktails, eating our zakuskiy, and talking some more. again, i must point out that sex was never discussed, there was no kissing or foreplay, just nice conversation and relaxation.
once the drinks were finished i took luda by the hand and led her to the bedroom. once inside i closed the door and kissed her. we fell on the bed and started exploring a little bit. in no time the clothes were off and she was kneeling on the floor giving me a bbbj. i blew in her mouth and we laid on the bed. once i had recovered i put on a condom and we started to have sex in multiple positions; mish, her on top, reverse cowgirl, and finally doggy. while drilling her doggy i grabbed a bottle of lube from the side table and applied a little to each of us. i did not even ask but proceeded to put it in her backside. she never once asked what i was doing or put up any resistance. she simply took it like a good girl.
we ended up staying in bed for a few more hours exhausting ourselves before she told me that she needed to shower and get to the club for her night shift. i told her to call in sick and stay with me for the night. she of course protested and told me that she needed to go and make money. do you think that this stopped me? no! do you think that i offered her money? no! i simply told her again to call her boss ant tell her that she was sick and could not come in for her shift. luda immediately picked up the phone and did as i had told her.
luda and i proceeded to have sex multiple times all through the night to include two more pops in her ass. i continued to bang luda on a regular basis for the remainder of my trip in country and never paid for more than a cheap local meal and beer or other libations at my place.
the moral of the story is that you do not have to pay for play and you do not have to get caught up in the overpriced entertainment scene to have a good time.
more stories to come soon.
AColonizer
03-22-08, 14:04
Perfect! Great experience and I agree with you.
There is something to add in your stories: this behaviour doesn't always warrant a success. A lot of gentlemen have the same behaviour and then they see a bandit brings girls his home. A lot of husbands never have that sex by their wifes.
Moreover you know Russian language and Russian background very well and this is very important in public relations. And maybe you are an awesome and charming man.
Life is not so easy like people talk.
Apart from these considerations, I am sure you are right.
I am telling you now, there is absolutely no need to pay for it. Not sex and not booze.
Possible but unlikely, she either didn't like being a stripper, really liked you, it took place before 2003, she wasn't very attractive or you embellished some of the facts. ;) If any of this is true then you found the one in a thousand stripper so don't come off like hey, why pay, I do this all the time.
Which strip club was it?
More stories to come soon.
uh huh...
Cruiser D – You know, when I was writing my original message I kept telling myself that I was going to get negative comments. But I am not a hater and am happy to answer your questions. First and foremost I did not embellish the facts. This post is completely factual and is exactly what happened. I know it sounds like all the planets aligned and that it must have been a fluke, but in my life this same thing has occurred time and time again. Second, the girl was beautiful and I can only assume that she did indeed liked me or she wouldn’t have spent so much time with me. Third, I usually don’t psychoanalyze the girls that jump into my bed, I am just thankful, as I am not what I would consider some super attractive Adonis. Fourth, I don’t think most girls like being strippers, but in Kiev it is slim pickings for most young women and stripping and hooking are a way of life. Lastly, although the point of the post was not to give advice as to what club to frequent to pick up girls I will tell you that it was the Spearmint Rhino.
All that being said I will tell you why I submitted this Post. I want to start off by saying that I in no way intended to put down the pay for play scene. I have participated in this exercise all over the world, including Kiev, and have had a blast, and the opportunities abound in Kiev for P4P. Unfortunately, I have seen in the Kiev thread that many people seem to believe that River Palace and a handful of other discos or Gia Escorts are the only options available in town for the man who wants to enjoy the pleasures of a beautiful Ukrainian girl. I have also seen so many posts that complain about the outrageous prices that these girls charge for their services and how they ***** you for expensive drinks and meals all over town. So, although I usually prefer to just read the posts on this board and enjoy the stories of others, I thought that I would share some of my experience with some like-minded folks. I have been to Kiev dozens of times over the past 10-years on business and do consider myself to be knowledgeable on the subject. So, here is a simple summary of what has worked for me in the past and present. Please try to be open-minded and if you disagree tell me why. But please don’t hate the player, hate the game if it doesn’t work for you.
The majority of the Ukrainian women who I have met over the years in the 20-30 year age range have very common stories. Had sex at a young age, married young, had child young, had a bad marriage, husband leaves, they are forced to grow up fast and are a little jaded. Not all women mind you, but a lot of the ones I met. I have also noticed that most of these girls are looking for a man, maybe for marriage, maybe for financial support, or maybe just for a hug or someone to cuddle with at night. The other thing that should be understood is that both men and women in this society typically have sex at young ages and are much less conservative in the expression of sexual feelings than people in the U. S. Just look at the way the women dress on the street. Simply put, Ukrainian girls put out. I know it sounds harsh, but it is true, so use this to your advantage. This all goes into the formulation of my mantra for hooking up with these women, and that is, "They are approachable, they are interested in foreign men, they will talk and laugh with you, and if you don’t screw it up they will sleep with you. " However, you have to be willing to approach perfect strangers and start up a conversation and risk the chance that you will get shot down. I have always believed the benefits are worth the risk.
So, how do you meet and hook-up with these girls? Good question. I will share with you what my friends and I do. In my experience the best way is to ignore the clubs unless you are looking for a working girl. Stick to the street scene, and I am not talking about street corners. Once the weather starts to get nice come spring you should look at Kreshatyk as your own one stop shopping center. A proverbial Wal-Mart for mongers if you will.
Any night, and especially Friday nights, there are literally thousands of good looking women walking the wide sidewalks of Kreshatyk from 4-10 pm. Everyone has a bottle of their favorite brew and groups of guys and girls troll the street and lounge on the benches. It is best if you are not alone and have at least one other guy with you as most girls also are not alone but in small groups. My friends and I would just go walking and when we saw a group of girls that we liked we would simply walk up to them and say, "hello, how are you, can we join you ladies for a drink? " I know it sounds too easy, but you would not believe the number of really great reactions I have received. Usually the girls light up, smile, blush, and often flirt openly. There have been many instances when within the first five minutes of meeting and talking to a girl I already knew that she would end up in my bed. You also have the great advantage on Kreshatyk that TGI Fridays is there as well as McDonalds. Oh no, I can already hear you saying to yourself that Fridays and McDonalds are low brow vittles and that you will never impress a Devushka with an offer of a Big Mac or Chicken Fingers. Well, you are both right and wrong. You will not impress a $300-$500 an hour hooker with an invitation to get a bite to eat at one of these establishments. But your normal everyday Kiev girl will jump at the chance for a free meal. And just look for yourself, go in McD or Fridays and see all of the good-looking young Kiev chicks there. They are always packed. They love it. Hell, my friends and I used to stand outside of the McDonalds drinking beer and would just say Hello, to random girls as they exited McDonald’s. More often than not we would get positive attitudes and a lot of the girls would stop and talk. Hey, if this happens you are halfway home. You just have to close the deal. So approach a girl or a group, talk to them, buy a beer for them, and invite for a bite to eat.
O. K. , how do you close the deal with one of these girls? Also, a lot simpler than you might think. After you have finished your chicken nuggets or whatever you decided to do with the girl that you approached and talked to, you tell her that you want to show her the apartment you are renting and that you have some better booze there that she will enjoy. SIDEBAR: Rule 1 – Never get a hotel room when you are in town, rent an apartment short-term. Much cheaper, more private, and can accommodate orgies, I mean parties. Rule 2 – Always have at least one bottle of Martini Bianco Vermouth. Ukrainian girls get wet just at the sight of this stuff. Mix with a little O. J. Or cherry juice and the girl will probable start taking off her clothes before you get the top back on the bottle. END SIDEBAR. Do not ask her if she wants to go, just tell her that you want to take her there, take her by the hand, and just go. Do not make the mistake of suggesting going to a club. Please, who wants to listen to the loud music, inhale all the smoke, and put off until later the prospect of getting this girl in the sack? When you get to the apartment make some drinks and sit down on the couch. Put on some music or T. V. And talk for a little bit. Finish one drink and make another. Once you start round two just move in for the kiss. She will kiss you back. She would not be there if she was not interested. Make out for a while, cop a feel, slide your hand up her leg and massage her pussy. SIDEBAR: Rule 3 – If the girl lets you put your hand down her pants she will have sex with you. END SIDEBAR. Don’t rush it but be assertive. I have never gotten lucky by sitting back and waiting for the girl to make the first move. Just move forward. Again remember that she is sitting in your apartment. She knows why you brought her there and she was willing to come. This means that she knows you expect to get laid and she is most likely down with it.
The most important rule is from the time you first speak with these girls until the time you put her in a taxi in the morning, BE NICE. Just be nice and polite and these girls will melt like butter. Their lives are difficult and most have had bad experiences with men. So be nice to them and believe me they will repay you in spades. Just my two cents, but I know it works.
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Explorer69
03-23-08, 10:07
The majority of the Ukrainian women who I have met over the years in the 20-30 year age range have very common stories. .[/blue][/size]This is a very good comment/analysis! Clap, clap!
Dingdong Bell
03-23-08, 10:26
Thank you for enlightening all of us on your meeting + closing techniques. Yes, it is a formula I have used very succesfully too but never thought of it as such till I read your report.
Please do share your experiences of a private apartment in Thailand. Did you eventually find one and how did you do so? Any referrals you could pass on?
DD Bell
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Doctor_Skank
03-23-08, 11:28
Unfortunately, I have seen in the Kiev thread that many people seem to believe that River Palace and a handful of other discos or Gia Escorts are the only options available in town for the man who wants to enjoy the pleasures of a beautiful Ukrainian girl. I have also seen so many posts that complain about the outrageous prices that these girls charge for their services and how they ***** you for expensive drinks and meals all over town. So, although I usually prefer to just read the posts on this board and enjoy the stories of others, I thought that I would share some of my experience with some like-minded folks.
Thanks for your post, it's always good to get a new perspective or impression.
Everybody sees Kiev in a different way, has different goals, different success and different priorities.
The freebie game works for some, for others it doesn't and others choose to ignore it completely for one reason or another. One major factor is time, another is patience. For the typical business traveller with 1 or 2 nights where he can pursue the hobby, trying to talk to girls on Kreshatik and get them to come home with him may end up being a total waste of time. RP is simpler. For others, RP is simply a waste of money. And for others like me, it's sport and I occasionally like to play... even if I don't often score there.
O. K. , how do you close the deal with one of these girls? Also, a lot simpler than you might think. After you have finished your chicken nuggets or whatever you decided to do with the girl that you approached and talked to, you tell her that you want to show her the apartment you are renting and that you have some better booze there that she will enjoy. SIDEBAR: Rule 1 – Never get a hotel room when you are in town, rent an apartment short-term. Much cheaper, more private, and can accommodate orgies, I mean parties. Rule 2 – Always have at least one bottle of Martini Bianco Vermouth. Ukrainian girls get wet just at the sight of this stuff. Mix with a little O. J. Or cherry juice and the girl will probable start taking off her clothes before you get the top back on the bottle. END SIDEBAR. Do not ask her if she wants to go, just tell her that you want to take her there, take her by the hand, and just go. Do not make the mistake of suggesting going to a club. Please, who wants to listen to the loud music, inhale all the smoke, and put off until later the prospect of getting this girl in the sack? When you get to the apartment make some drinks and sit down on the couch. Put on some music or T. V. And talk for a little bit. Finish one drink and make another. Once you start round two just move in for the kiss. She will kiss you back. She would not be there if she was not interested. Make out for a while, cop a feel, slide your hand up her leg and massage her pussy. SIDEBAR: Rule 3 – If the girl lets you put your hand down her pants she will have sex with you. END SIDEBAR. Don’t rush it but be assertive. I have never gotten lucky by sitting back and waiting for the girl to make the first move. Just move forward. Again remember that she is sitting in your apartment. She knows why you brought her there and she was willing to come. This means that she knows you expect to get laid and she is most likely down with it.
M99:
Been saying and doing that for years now and you are right, it is a recipe for sex. You won't always score and certainly have to accept some shoot-downs and eat some humble pie along the way, but it is still amazing how often it does work.
And you brought up a vital point that shouldn't be forgotten. Ukrainian girls put out. I personally have always felt that foreign guys have both advantages and disadvantages in terms of getting girls to put out.
The biggest disadvantage is communication, however even this can sometimes be an advantage. If you can find enough words in Russian or English to communicate a little, later on there is little to talk about so you just start kissing and fondling each other. That will lead to post-coital convesations.
One big question on everybody's mind is "Do Ukrainian girls put out faster for foreign men than they do for the locals?" Your post suggests that they are getting a lot of sex from the locals, but that is not always the impression I have gotten. I also personally feel that they do put out faster with foreigners (usually second "date", sometimes first) than they would with most locals (either one night stand or longer "courtship"), but you have to get past the first hurdles and that is establishing some form of communication. I think we've all heard "I can't believe I am doing this, we just met today!" come out of their mouths and I don't believe they were all lying. But commo is the key. Most potential STRs die in the first 2-3 minutes, especially in clubs where communication is difficult due to the noise and equally important the distractions.
I personally like clubs because I like to drink and flirt, but it isn't always the best venue for pursuining short term sex. Nonetheless, depending on the girl I will sometimes break my own rules and take a girl TO a club. Important thing for me is that she is curious about it, DOES NOT GO TO CLUBS OFTEN and needs a little lubrication. Equally or perhaps even most important is that I want to go to the club... it puts me in the mood sometimes too. In such cases I'll take her to the club, dance a little, have some drinks and go home with her for some raunchy drunk sex. Dancing and fun get girls in the mood and IMO some of the very best "wild abandon" sex is post club, as long as you paid attention to your alk intake.
I totally disagree about the plan to hook up girls waking in Krehatik.If anybody claims this is fruitful,I would like to video him in camera while he gets to girls to be rejected at once.Kreshatic and central metro stations(which have the highest population of good looking girls passing in a minute) are the worst places to pick up.You are at disadvantage from the beginning and you feel that instantly.
In clubs and internet is a different story.It is simply numbers game.
If you have one week time like the average traveller,it is unlikely to get laid unless you have arranged that the girl will stay in your apartment or you stay in the apartment of the girl during the week.
To get laid if you come let's say for one week in a year you need skills,passable russian and lots of experience.Most do not have these.
I manage to do this but only in province and under conditions that most foreigners would find very touch and almost unbearable.
AColonizer
03-23-08, 17:23
Fantastic reports!
I just remember everybody:
- that "standard" women approaching is OK but it doesn't always work or better it works few times for no-speaking-russian men otherwise russian women should have foreign husbands only this is a fact!
- your approaching is logic but women' behaviour is instable and therefore there are a lot of probability that approaching is not successfull like you said. I am sure you have a "magic touch" in that "standard" women approaching and you are used to female madness. A lot of other people are just plain gentleman and they are disappointed to see women act as a chimical uncontrolled reaction and NOT as a human being!
Anyway, maybe you are having fun of us, I am interested to learn more by you.
I don't think that the Medved's situation would work for an ugly hairy goblin like me.
P.S. How do you talk to them: in Ukrainian or in Russian?
Doctor_Skank
03-23-08, 18:52
I don't think that the Medved's situation would work for an ugly hairy goblin like me.
P.S. How do you talk to them: in Ukrainian or in Russian?
Everything is a YMMV situation...
Just as important for most of the readers as your question whether Ukrainian or Russian is if Medved spoke to them in English. Most ISG mongers are limited to English or basic Russian.
Everything is a YMMV situation...
Just as important for most of the readers as your question whether Ukrainian or Russian is if Medved spoke to them in English. Most ISG mongerers are limited to English or basic Russian.
I see, YMMV ia fair. But what about anal with these regular Kreshyatik girls? I understand how the anal situation is with the pros, but what about regular girls/non-pros?
M99:
Thanks for your useful summary.
I agree with you in every word in your 2nd post. Ukranian people are quite more “natural” than westerners. Sex is a nice and cheap way of enjoying life, and they didn’t have so many alternatives. My friends behave like you and have quite a success, but you must be quite fluent in Russian, and you must not be too picky. If you are not too ugly, it helps too.
About your 1st post, I think you were absolutely lucky. I hate when they –men or woman- think we are a “walking ATM”, but I think normally showing to be ungenerous or paying too attention to money, doesn’t pay a good dividend. Having anal sex and risking her work at a 1st date is not so common in my experience. So, congratulations!
Dr. Skank, as usual, I agree with you too.
Ps. I guess it’s not important for you if I agree with you or not, but it helps to show the reliability of a post. :-)
What about kinky gifts? Stuff like panties, body lotion and perfume? Does this stuff is acceptable even when there is no pay-for-play involved?
M99:
Thanks for your useful summary.
I agree with you in every word in your 2nd post. Ukranian people are quite more “natural” than westerners. Sex is a nice and cheap way of enjoying life, and they didn’t have so many alternatives. My friends behave like you and have quite a success, but you must be quite fluent in Russian, and you must not be too picky. If you are not too ugly, it helps too.
About your 1st post, I think you were absolutely lucky. I hate when they –men or woman- think we are a “walking ATM”, but I think normally showing to be ungenerous or paying too attention to money, doesn’t pay a good dividend. Having anal sex and risking her work at a 1st date is not so common in my experience. So, congratulations!
Dr. Skank, as usual, I agree with you too.
Ps. I guess it’s not important for you if I agree with you or not, but it helps to show the reliability of a post. :-)
How can I know if I am not too ugly? I dont think that I am very ugly, I think that I am decent in my own view. But other people have their own opinion. I am hairy at around 8.5 at 10-scale, overweight by around 40lbs, and my feet sweat a lot and smell no matter how much I wash and scrub them.
What is considered decent, ugly and very ugly by Ukrainian women's or just peoples in general standards over at in Kiev?
Medved99,
Nice post. And thanks for the update on the non-pro scene. Most guys on this board views stories like this as works of fiction since it doesn't match their current reality/skillset/beliefs. They forget that women have sex...even when they're not being paid for it GASP! They will miss elements of your post like the fact that you LEAD the entire interaction, that you assumed the close, that you were unattached to the outcome, and in control without being controlling. They fail to recognize that what causes the gut level emotion of "attraction" in a woman is pretty consistent regardless of her primary language or nationality.
Thanks again for sharing. Look forward to hearing more.
First off, me a cynic, never! ;) My skill level/experience is well documented both on this board and real life with the girls in Kiev.
2nd, the girls you are talking about trolling Khreshatic with a brew in their hand and hanging out at McDonalds are 2nd rate at best. Anyone with even an average amount of skill/looks could fuck a new one of these girls a day. I often have these girls approach me while I am walking on Khreshatic or waiting for a date. I almost fucked one on my last trip but quite couldn't bring myself to do it - she was young (young to the point she wouldn't tell me her age - down IT!) and a 4.5. Start hitting on the 7+ girls on Khreshatic and see how well you do. BTW prime strolling time on Khreshatic is from 1600-2000 on the weekdays during the spring/fall.
Having strip club experience at every corner of the globe - those penguins down in Antarctica put on a mean show, I stand by my assessment of your strip club encounter.
As far as the Ukrainian/American girl putting out for sex thing, I guess you guys never went to College/University in the US. If I said it once I said it a thousand times. The only difference between a FSU girl and an American girl is that the FSU dresses to impress (the male) and is generally slender.
Jack, there are quite a few places in the US and most other Western countries where the only nightly option is drink and/or fuck. They tend to be very rural and/or depressed (economically)
Sex is a nice and cheap way of enjoying life, and they didn’t have so many alternatives. My friends behave like you and have quite a success, but you must be quite
I was 30 times in ukraine and I stop to count girls who slept with me. It was not diffficult to find freebie girls. I just respected and smiled with them. I didn't spent so much money.
What I think about be itch and hook from kiev:
When I was in river palace, I stayed only 20mn because it was full of tourist and girls look like ''girls under narcotics". One felt down near me and was totally sick. Don't forget. In ukraine lot of aids.
So. For what do you go to RP? Ok. I understand you. If you come in kiev and stay only few days. Why not.
Go in this website fritzryan.com you could see some of my ex sasha (work in strip tease club), lena (porno star), kseniya. And some others I met in kiev/ I didn't pay lot of money because I understood they were be itch. So I lied them and slept for free because they believed I was important director in international compagny. If girls wants money. Be actor have expensive mobile phone, go in good restaurant, and fuck her quickly!
But believe me. If you are normal man, with normal face. You can meet many good girls in ukraine and have fun for free and many fall in love.
Good luck and save your money
I've done the Khreshchatyk "Kak dela?" approach many a Summer afternoon in Kiev and have some concrete statistics to report. I only ever hit on 7+ girls because I'm an artistic soul with high aesthetic standards. The ratio is roughly 4 nos for every yes, the "yes" taking the form of a phone number, some SMSing shortly afterwards and meeting for a date either that evening or a day or 2 later. The "nos" can range from rude brush offs (Ukrainian girls like being rude) to some genuine interest but finally backing away before giving you a number.
Always start by speaking in Russian to them; let them switch to English once they realise your Russky is worse than a 4 year old's. They really do appreciate the effort.
Cruiser, as usual, is being a little harsh with his assessment. I personally think K street is a great place to meet some real young gems, if you can handle the foot slog.
The mental attitude you need to cope with any possible rejection is: to hell with them. Also, you're just having FUN, it's a bit of a laugh, and you have too many other irons in the fire anyway to worry about individual outcomes.
Medved - whether you're a Western wimp or a true bear of a slavic man, a bit of generosity never hurts. I think it's important to give them an experience - expensive or not - that they probably wouldn't get with one of their local lads. If they genuinely want to drink a nice cocktail then telling them it's beer or nothing is not a good idea.
If they suggest payment for sex, continue chatting as if you didn't hear anything and finally offer 1/2 what they originally asked. If they mention shopping, run a mile. Shopping is what girls do with their girlfriends, so it implies she thinks you're a cross between an ATM and a girl.
I'll be in Kiev over the first w/e in May, doing this kinda stuff + RP.
And I'll be in Dallas, TX over the last w/e in May where hopefully the combination of the current US economic slump and my English accent will work wonders :D
Some days ago I got this funny mail (only a part here)
Dear Customer,
Several days ago we converted our price list from US Dollar into Euro.
The reason of this conversion was unstable situation, decrease of USD and total price increase in Ukraine.
After switching to another currency we started receiving letters from people asking for return of USD calculations.
In connection with this we have converted our price list back to US Dollars. For some girls the price was increased by 8-12% only!
We beg pardon for occurred inconvenience and we are always glad to give a discount to our regular clients!
Please learn our USD price list:
ALENA (Good English):
1 hour $200, 2 hours $270, 3 hours $340, 4 hours $400, 6 hours 450, 8 hours $500, 10 hours $550, 12 hours $600, 1 day $700, 2 days $1200, 3 days $1600.
Price including: classic sex, BJ without condom, COB+CIM+COF, kissing with tongue, 69, masturbation, massage.
Extra charges: Lesbi(30$).
The real fun thing is that the normal 12 hours at 600 USD was changed at 500 EUR.... wich are today 790 USD!!!
EE calculation on change!
:) I try to always pay in local currency or in USD.. because thy say ooohh 1 Euro is 1 dollar, but when the Euro was at .90 or so they did not say the same....
IT
AColonizer
03-28-08, 23:53
Yes, all people, subscribed to mailing list of GIA, have received that stupid message. I replied with my strong blaming to GIA. GIA is one of the most expensive agency for old girls. That's incredible mongers don't understand girls more than 21 years old are just old chickens. And GIA sells old chickens like fresh beef.
Apart from GIA and all expensive agencies we find on Internet, this is a big trouble for all us. When Ukrainian people pay by euros instead of by dollars, mongering won't be interesting and it will be cheaper to look for an Ukrainian prostitute in our own country and not in Ukraine! Moreover, CIM and anal is a standard service abroad but not in Kiev!
Some days ago I got this funny mail (only a part here)
Dear Customer,
Several days ago we converted our price list from US Dollar into Euro.
The reason of this conversion was unstable situation, decrease of USD and total price increase in Ukraine.
LifeSavour
03-29-08, 06:28
I was 30 times in ukraine..... some others I met in Kiev/ I didn't pay lot of money because I understood they were be itch. So I lied them and slept for free because they believed I was important director in international compagny.....Fawkers like you!
When I 1st came in 2000 and up until I moved here in 2003, a non UKR guy would attract ladies like flies to honey. But these ACTIONS like you describe have 'jaded' these girls!
Its all about respect and you don't have it! Please stay away!!
LS "guardign the door" to the Best Club in Town
Anyone who pays current GIA prices in Kiev is an idiot.
Hi,
I visit prague a lot and plan to shift to ukraine since the girls there are very mobile after part of EU. I am interested to get some non pro s and sponser. Please tell me what is the best way since I am 50+ and looking for 20 y olds with english. I do not speak russian.
Thanks
Hi: I am wondering if one of russian language experts on the site could convert the following messages into russian (of course written in English?).
I just started learning a bit of russian, this would help me when I am in Kiev.
Thanks in advance.
1. Would like to join me for a dinner?
2. Could you come to my apartment?
3. How much do you charge per night?
4. How much do you charge per day?
5. How do you say (100, 200, 300, 400, 500 etc.)
6. Do you do oral without condom?
7. My apartment address is ...
8. My phone number is ...
9. What is your address / phone number?
10. What is your name?
11. Can we go to a restaurant?
12. You are beatiful
13. When will you come to my apartment?
14. I will wait for you
I went out to a casino a few months ago with a couple of my friends and was not doing very well at the tables so decided to call it an early night and head home. I did think about trying to find some company to keep me warm for the night but was pretty tired and decided to just turn in early and get some sleep.
I went out to the street and stuck my hand out to catch a gypsy cab. I only had to wait a minute before a Lada pulled over. I approached the car and opened the passenger door to talk to the driver. I immediately noticed that there were two girls in the back, and although I prefer not to share cabs I decided that the girls were not threatening and told the driver where my apartment was and how much I was willing to pay. He agreed and I jumped into the car.
The girls started talking to me and as they knew I was a foreigner asked a lot of questions about where I was from and what I was doing in Kiev. I could not see them very well as they were seated behind me and the car was very dark. Eventually, they asked me if I wanted to go with them to a club. Well, I guess I wasn’t as tired as I thought and agreed to go with them.
We ended up in some basement club that was less of a nightclub and more of a university social club with a DJ and a dance floor. One girl was named Lena and she looked a lot like Shakira. Not quite as hot but a solid 8. The other, whose name was Ella, was more like a 6 with a goth look, all black clothes and lip and eye liner. Neither of them could have been more than 20 years old. We sat and drank for a few hours and I danced with Ella several times. In all we had a good time but it was clear that hottie Lena was not really interested in me. However, Ella was definitely open to some more fun. I asked her if she wanted to come back to my apartment and she said that she did but that she could not leave Ella alone. I told her that they could both come back home with me and after some animated discussion between the two they agreed, although Lena did not seem too thrilled with the idea. Hell, I didn’t really care as I figured I had no shot with her anyway but was going to make a strong play to bang her friend.
We got back to my place and I made a couple of drinks and we sat in the living room and talked. Lena didn’t say much and after about 20 minutes I took Ella by the hand and led her to the bedroom. We started messing around on the bed and I thought that I was in until she started sobbing. Always a bad sign. I asked her what was wrong and she told me that she had a boyfriend that she really liked and although she had wanted to come home with me she was having second thoughts. Well don’t this beat all. We straightened out our clothes and returned to the living room where Lena was laying on the couch watching TV.
Lena asked what was wrong and Ella told her that she decided she couldn’t cheat on her boyfriend. I figured that they would just put their coats on and leave, but boy was I wrong. Lena started yelling at her friend telling her how stupid she was and that she had wasted all night screwing around and that she was now too tired to make the long cab ride home. I told the girls that they were welcome to sleep on the couches and that I would drive them home in the morning or they could go out and grab a cab now. I was sure they would go for the cab option but I was wrong.
Now, as if it was scripted in Penthouse Forum, Lena said that Ella was free to sleep on the couch, but that Lena was sleeping with me. My jaw just about hit the floor, but I didn’t protest. Lena got up and went into the bedroom and proceeded to get undressed and crawl into bed. I did not know what was going to happen but followed her lead and stripped and got under the covers. I don’t know if she was just pissed at her friend or actually liked me but she jumped on top of me and stuck her tongue down my throat. It is all pretty much a blur from there but we ended up having sex twice before falling asleep and had one more go around in the morning.
I offered to drive them home but Lena declined and said they would take a cab. She wrote down her number and gave me a long kiss and told me to call her. Then they left. I did call Lena, but that is another story.
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Orange Leo
03-30-08, 09:21
Hi,
I visit prague a lot and plan to shift to ukraine since the girls there are very mobile after part of EU. I am interested to get some non pro s and sponser. Please tell me what is the best way since I am 50+ and looking for 20 y olds with english. I do not speak russian.
ThanksLearn Russian and look after girl not more then ten years younger.
As easy it is meet a young girls in Pragh as diffecult it is in Ukraine.
I went out to a casino a few months ago with a couple of my friends and was not doing very well at the tables so decided to call it an early night and head home. I did think about trying to find some company to keep me warm for the night but was pretty tired and decided to just turn in early and get some sleep.
I went out to the street and stuck my hand out to catch a gypsy cab. I only had to wait a minute before a Lada pulled over. I approached the car and opened the passenger door to talk to the driver. I immediately noticed that there were two girls in the back, and although I prefer not to share cabs I decided that the girls were not threatening and told the driver where my apartment was and how much I was willing to pay. He agreed and I jumped into the car.
The girls started talking to me and as they knew I was a foreigner asked a lot of questions about where I was from and what I was doing in Kiev. I could not see them very well as they were seated behind me and the car was very dark. Eventually, they asked me if I wanted to go with them to a club. Well, I guess I wasn’t as tired as I thought and agreed to go with them.
We ended up in some basement club that was less of a nightclub and more of a university social club with a DJ and a dance floor. One girl was named Lena and she looked a lot like Shakira. Not quite as hot but a solid 8. The other, whose name was Ella, was more like a 6 with a goth look, all black clothes and lip and eye liner. Neither of them could have been more than 20 years old. We sat and drank for a few hours and I danced with Ella several times. In all we had a good time but it was clear that hottie Lena was not really interested in me. However, Ella was definitely open to some more fun. I asked her if she wanted to come back to my apartment and she said that she did but that she could not leave Ella alone. I told her that they could both come back home with me and after some animated discussion between the two they agreed, although Lena did not seem too thrilled with the idea. Hell, I didn’t really care as I figured I had no shot with her anyway but was going to make a strong play to bang her friend.
We got back to my place and I made a couple of drinks and we sat in the living room and talked. Lena didn’t say much and after about 20 minutes I took Ella by the hand and led her to the bedroom. We started messing around on the bed and I thought that I was in until she started sobbing. Always a bad sign. I asked her what was wrong and she told me that she had a boyfriend that she really liked and although she had wanted to come home with me she was having second thoughts. Well don’t this beat all. We straightened out our clothes and returned to the living room where Lena was laying on the couch watching TV.
Lena asked what was wrong and Ella told her that she decided she couldn’t cheat on her boyfriend. I figured that they would just put their coats on and leave, but boy was I wrong. Lena started yelling at her friend telling her how stupid she was and that she had wasted all night screwing around and that she was now too tired to make the long cab ride home. I told the girls that they were welcome to sleep on the couches and that I would drive them home in the morning or they could go out and grab a cab now. I was sure they would go for the cab option but I was wrong.
Now, as if it was scripted in Penthouse Forum, Lena said that Ella was free to sleep on the couch, but that Lena was sleeping with me. My jaw just about hit the floor, but I didn’t protest. Lena got up and went into the bedroom and proceeded to get undressed and crawl into bed. I did not know what was going to happen but followed her lead and stripped and got under the covers. I don’t know if she was just pissed at her friend or actually liked me but she jumped on top of me and stuck her tongue down my throat. It is all pretty much a blur from there but we ended up having sex twice before falling asleep and had one more go around in the morning.
I offered to drive them home but Lena declined and said they would take a cab. She wrote down her number and gave me a long kiss and told me to call her. Then they left. I did call Lena, but that is another story.Where was this club? Do you have the name? Was it busy/big?
Fawkers like you!
When I 1st came in 2000 and up until I moved here in 2003, a non UKR guy would attract ladies like flies to honey. But these ACTIONS like you describe have 'jaded' these girls!
Its all about respect and you don't have it! Please stay away!!
LS "guardign the door" to the Best Club in Town
When you can get all the girls out of flirt for 300 or so... and for 400 a day (not night) pigs doing all you want....
IT
Doctor_Skank
03-31-08, 10:33
I asked her if she wanted to come back to my apartment and she said that she did but that she could not leave Ella alone. I told her that they could both come back home with me and after some animated discussion between the two they agreed, although Lena did not seem too thrilled with the idea. Hell, I didn’t really care as I figured I had no shot with her anyway but was going to make a strong play to bang her friend.
We got back to my place and I made a couple of drinks and we sat in the living room and talked.
I'm surprised you didn't screw them both, that's the way it usually worked out for me when tag teams came up for "chai".
You got the one you wanted though, so I guess you ain't complainin'.
Goth girls are kinda moody in general though, otherwise they probably wouldn't be cutting themselves all the time and listening to EMO.
Hi,
I am wondering if one of russian language experts on the site could convert the following messages into russian (of course written in English?).
I just started learning a bit of russian, this would help me when I am in Kiev.
Thanks in advance.
1. Would like to join me for a dinner?
2. Could you come to my apartment?
3. How much do you charge per night?
4. How much do you charge per day?
5. How do you say (100, 200, 300, 400, 500 etc.)
6. Do you do oral without condom?
7. My apartment address is ...
8. My phone number is ...
9. What is your address / phone number?
10. What is your name?
11. Can we go to a restaurant?
12. You are beautiful
13. When will you come to my apartment?
14. I will wait for you
15. Speak slowly
Doctor_Skank
04-01-08, 08:05
Hi,
I am wondering if one of russian language experts on the site could convert the following messages into russian (of course written in English?).
I just started learning a bit of russian, this would help me when I am in Kiev.
Thanks in advance.
1. Would like to join me for a dinner?
2. Could you come to my apartment?
3. How much do you charge per night?
4. How much do you charge per day?
5. How do you say (100, 200, 300, 400, 500 etc.)
6. Do you do oral without condom?
7. My apartment address is ...
8. My phone number is ...
9. What is your address / phone number?
10. What is your name?
11. Can we go to a restaurant?
12. You are beautiful
13. When will you come to my apartment?
14. I will wait for you
15. Speak slowly
You're making the first big mistake... don't try to learn Russian using English characters and intonation. Learn the Russian alphabet first and then start learning sentences/phrases. The alphabet is easier to learn than you think.
To date I have been a mostly passive reader of the ISG gathering information from so many professionals. Serious mongering is currently curtailed but I am able to escape occasionally!
I had the opportunity to return to Kiev last week. Time was short as I was there on business yet I was trying to remember and act on the advice of senior members. In my earlier, regular visits to Kiev I had more time and would regularly score with casual encounters made at the exhibitions or in bars & restaurants.
However it is very different when you have limited time and a strong urge to enjoy some nocturnal pleasures. I therefore apologise profusely to my senior members and their self sacrifice and dedication to the cause of free sex, but I had no choice but to follow the well established p4p route.
Arrival back in Kiev brought many memories. The organisation for which I do some work pays for VIP service at the airport and the Premier Palace. So no more long waits at the airport but I do miss the fun that I used to enjoy in an apartment.
The Premier Palace is very obliging in that they place at Kiev Post in every room. I had 2 hours so I started to call the massage agencies. Found one that promised a beautiful girl would be at the hotel in 40 minutes. 45 mins later a call from reception announced that “my guest had arrived”. They are then escorted by a bell boy to your room – how civilised. Lovely girl with great figure. Took a quick shower and was rewarded by the site of this young beauty in bra and panties. Then followed an excellent traditional massage on my back with the anticipation of more to come. After 30 mins there was a brief pause, a slight rustle as the remaining clothes were removed and then the exquisite pleasure to taught breast massaging my back. The command to turn over was met with eager compliance and was rewarded by the most beautiful young breasts that I have had the pleasure of seeing close up for a long time.
It was clearly indicated that there would be no “intim” or sex and she proceeded to rub her body over mine. Wonderful feelings were then followed by a delicate massage of my best friend. Whilst purists may disagree, the experience of a beautiful naked girl giving a most professional hand job was a most enjoyable experience resulting in release to be proud of! The damage just UAH.350.- plus and additional 50 for the taxi.
Than night we decide to pay homage to RP. My first visit after several years and virtually nothing had changed. It was quite late and we had had a few beers so it was straight to the bar upstairs. My last experiences in RP and in NF in Moscow had been expensive and without any feelings, so I was looking for the GF experience.
Having surveyed the mass of walking talent I chose a sweet looking blond named Mila. Nothing special, but a nice smile. She was comfortable to be with and not demanding so a brief enquiry into the price, US$.300.- and I agreed as I did not want any negotiations to spoil my feelings. Taxi back to the hotel and was wished a good night by the doorman. Mila was a reasonable partner and understood my desire to take my time. Not a spectacular experience but one that left me satisfied and not frustrated with another mediocre experience with a false blond bombshell.
The next afternoon I decided to go for another massage. Another great girl with superb English, and a great sense of humour. Superb massage and very erotic massage with strong eye contact. Having passed on their contact details to my colleagues I found out that they were servicing a great number of us. Must ask for commission next time! I do still have their contact details and if any members want to try this route please contact.
So my last night of freedom was ahead of me. None of my, rather limited, efforts had provided any results so we again decided that the road back to RP was the only choice. To start we went down to the bar and found that there was a superb band playing our type of music. Some very drunk dyevs were putting on a performance of exactly what I hate most, working hard on the guys at our table with a starting price of USD.500.- Exactly what you do not need.
However on the other side of the dance floor were some rather lovely prospects. One caught my eye and within a few minutes she joined us at our table. Attractive, reasonable figure but again comfortable. We talked, laughed and even danced, this was becoming a GF experience. My buddies left to hunt up-stairs and we stayed to enjoy the music. I decided that it was time to leave and there were no discussions of payment. Short taxi ride to the hotel and then the fun began. N is an attractive girl, long black hair and a great smile. Here only weak point are her breasts, rather small and not evenly shaped, however this did not deter me from a really great experience. Once naked we went for each other. We kissed, she kissed, she loved DATY and screwed in almost every conceivable position. But she kept the best for last. Her BBBJ was incredible, deep throat and she was very much in control. This went on for a long time and only ended once she was certain that I could not last any longer. The sensation of providing a highly concentrated dose of vitamins deep in her throat was an experience I have not enjoyed for a long time.
Now I expected the professional attitude with a run to the bathroom. No she looked at me and swallowed. She then curled up next to me and we slept like babies.
I don’t believe that N is a regular working girl, just does this occasionally to supplement her income but maybe I am wrong an some master mongerer will correct me. I placed the US$.300 in her bag and she never checked how much I had given. I have not indicated her full name here but have contact details in anyone would like PM me to also enjoy this superb GFE.
So I was able to leave Kiev with a great smile on my face. Yes I paid and possibly above the regular prices but I had great experiences. I do appreciate that many senior members will not appreciate our easy attitude to payment but with limited time and the desire for a good experience, what choice to us short term visitors have?
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Hi,
I am wondering if one of russian language experts on the site could convert the following messages into russian (of course written in English?).
I just started learning a bit of russian, this would help me when I am in Kiev.
Thanks in advance.
1. Would like to join me for a dinner?
2. Could you come to my apartment?
3. How much do you charge per night?
4. How much do you charge per day?
5. How do you say (100, 200, 300, 400, 500 etc.)
6. Do you do oral without condom?
7. My apartment address is ...
8. My phone number is ...
9. What is your address / phone number?
10. What is your name?
11. Can we go to a restaurant?
12. You are beautiful
13. When will you come to my apartment?
14. I will wait for you
15. Speak slowly1. Xotsies vkusat objed semnoj?
2. Xotsies priexat v mojego kvartira?Or xotsies priexat v mayou apartament/mayou kvartiru?
3. Skolka stoji noc?
4. Skolka stoji cely dien s taboj?
5. 100-sto,200-dve ste,300-tri sta,400-ctyrista,500-piet-stov
6. Delayes aral bez kondom/bez preservativni?
7. Maya adressa eta...
8. Muj telefon nomer jest/eta...
9. Kak eta tvuj nomer telefon,tvaya adressa?
10. Kak tebia zavout?
11. Mogeme priexat v restauran?(it does not sound good in russian-better say will you go with me to restarant?-Budes priexat semnoj v restauran?
12. Ty krassivaya debushka/ty oitsien krassivaya
13. Kakda budes priexat v mayou kvartiru?
14. Budou tebia zdat
15. Gavari medleni
They can also in general understand latin characters if you write to them.
Great report Sharalumi, I have been reading this forum with intentions of maybe visiting but now I think I'm really gona go! How long did you have the last girl for & are her details available?
Thanks!
Medv,
Thanks for your nice posts. They are for sure great contribution to understand the non-pros scene in Kiev.
I was not around this forum for a while, so my comments come a little bit late, nevertheless I would like to make some points. I truly believe your stories, and I think your way works out sometime, but not always. More important, it is not the only working approach.
I'm a sex addicted but not a true sex tourist. I come often in Kiev for business, but never for more than 2-3 days. So I have to score out fast and late night (after work). No time for the "kak djela'' approach in Kreshatik. By the way I'm not the McDonald type and I don't regret to use my pocket wallet to accelerate the process and guarantee a 9 or 10 in my bed (according to my scale of course). What makes Kiev great is sex-quality. For me the game is not about sex for free but about blowing my mind in bed with model-like hotties. I can afford some money losses if I save time and I get top sex.
Rule 1 – Never get a hotel room when you are in town, rent an apartment short-term. Much cheaper, more private, and can accommodate orgies, I mean parties.
Personally I don't rent apartment. I enjoy the comfort and the luxury of Hyatt Hotel and being there has never been a problem at all. I can say by experience that several times devushkas told me "Hyatt should be a very luxurious place. I've never been there...." If she's hot I easily indulge to invite for an aperitif and then to show my wonderful room :D
Last week I had a problem with my watch and my local business partner asked his assistant to take care of it. She told something like "if you invite me to the spa at the Hyatt after work, I'll be glad to bring your repaired watch". No need to tell to all the fellow mongers how the night ended up :D
This is nothing but what you wrote:
Treat them better than they are used to, and you will get high rewards
I believe that attitude and skills matter more than staying in an apartment or in hotel. Apartments are just cheaper and more suitable for sex tourists. Fancy hotels can be as well attractive
Many options and many targets in Kiev, not just the young Kreshatik crowd!
Rule 2 – Always have at least one bottle of Martini Bianco Vermouth. Ukrainian girls get wet just at the sight of this stuff. Mix with a little O. J. Or cherry juice and the girl will probable start taking off her clothes before you get the top back on the bottle.
Any decent alcohol mixed with something sweet works fine!
Do not ask her if she wants to go, just tell her that you want to take her there, take her by the hand, and just go. Do not make the mistake of suggesting going to a club.
You don't even need to tell her anything... Just tell to the cab driver where you want to take her :D
Going to a club is not a hurdle! It could work to continue to melt down your devushka. Very often Kiev girls want sex with you after 5 minutes they know you, but are worried to look like easy girls (isn't funny?). Some court and some clubbing help to avoid waiting for the second night.
Rule 3 – If the girl lets you put your hand down her pants she will have sex with you. Don’t rush it but be assertive. I have never gotten lucky by sitting back and waiting for the girl to make the first move.
The most important rule is from the time you first speak with these girls until the time you put her in a taxi in the morning, BE NICE. Just be nice and polite and these girls will melt like butter. Their lives are difficult and most have had bad experiences with men.
Rule 3 is definitely true!
Being nice and polite is essential... And it's ok with any kind of woman, not only with the girls that have difficult lives
This is where you have to pay attention. Read above. I asked her if she wanted a beer. Not wine, not champagne, not an over priced and overly watered mixed drink. Just a beer. She said no and asked if I would buy her a cocktail. I then asked what she wanted and how much it would cost. She told me it would be equal to $20. I laughed and told her to hit the road. She was a little put off but told me that she wanted to sit with me and asked what I would be willing to buy her. I told her that I was drinking beer and that she could have beer or any thing that was the same price as a beer. A lesson for all of you mongers out there. Do not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) your money away on these over priced drinks in the bars and clubs. Just tell the girls what you are wiling to buy and they can either stay or go. Luda decided to stay and ordered some kind of alcoholic drink that was charged to me at the same price as a beer.
I sat there and drank and watched the dancers for about three hours and Luda was at my side the entire time. She kept ordering her cheap drinks and we had a great time talking in between the lap dances that she kept giving me, again for free except for a buck or two tip for each song. Are you getting the picture yet? You do not have to spend a fortune to have a good time.
I believe your story. It could happen sometime if the girl likes you and actually I had a couple of adventures with strippers amid 20 years. But this is not the way it usually goes. Do you really believe that anytime any fellow mongers will enter in a Kiev strip club after reading this forum will get days of free sex just offering a couple of cheap beers? You were lucky and under special astral conditions. I invite you to go strip-clubbing together the next time we will be in Kiev in the same days and show me if this happens again. I'll pay all the beer you and your dalings will be able to drink :D
Anyway you made a very good point. Personality COULD impress more than money. Anyway I keep money as a backup if my charme fails.... I don't like to sleep alone,especially in Kiev.
Unfortunately, I have seen in the Kiev thread that many people seem to believe that River Palace and a handful of other discos or Gia Escorts are the only options available in town for the man who wants to enjoy the pleasures of a beautiful Ukrainian girl. I have also seen so many posts that complain about the outrageous prices that these girls charge for their services and how they ***** you for expensive drinks and meals all over town.
Getting laid requires some effort. Or time or money. If you are frog, you need money even in Kiev.
I never used GIA, so I cannot talk about.
RP can be a good shortcut when short of time. Situations and chemistry can be very different. Getting GFE from RP girls is a specific skill (I believe Cruiser D is a master here).
I found there cold professionals, but also wonderful sex, well worth the spent money. I have also a good friend (her name is Anna) met there. She is a tall, slender, classy blonde, definitely top rank in my scale for beauty and sex. I paid her $300 the first 2 times I met her. We had a lot of fun together as well as nice chatting. We exchanged many sms and she was very willing to meet again. I told her that p4p was over as I don't like to have this kind of business on a regular base, but I let her know that I'd be happy to have fancy dinner together. No need to say that after Concord we lied together again and this time was for free (actually a dinner at Concorde is not "free" at all...). We meet again from time to time if she is not under money pressure and can avoid RP. At the end these girls want upscale life... If you provide this you get high rewards. If you point village girl in Kreshatik the concept of "upscale life" is different... Everything depends on the target we choose.
I'll be in Istanbul next week for a couple of days and Anna will join me. I'll pay tickets (frequent flier mileage) and probably buy a couple of presents/souvenirs. Am I spending a lot? Maybe. On the other side I have great GFE and wild sex, with no wasted time. For me it's a good deal
I am telling you now, there is absolutely no need to pay for it. Not sex and not booze.
The moral of the story is that you do not have to pay for play and you do not have to get caught up in the overpriced entertainment scene to have a good time.
Absolutely? You are a lucky man... I'm a fool, so if I don't have a woman at midnight, I'm ready to pay.
The true moral is that THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR PLAY. Good chance doesn't mean it happens always. Again this depends on personality, status and look.
Hi Malix,
I rather liked this girl and dont want her number on the forum. I have sent you a PM with details. Lay back and enjoy.
Great report Sharalumi, I have been reading this forum with intentions of maybe visiting but now I think I'm really gona go! How long did you have the last girl for & are her details available?
Thanks!
Tonit66,
I agree with just about everything you say here!
Fox7717
Hi there,
I will be travelling to Kiev from 30. April until 05. May. Any of you there and able to show me arround a bit and giving me a hand with the girls / ladies?
I dont speak russian, only english or german.
ATM. waiting for my account to get activated, so I think PMs are currently not possible.
Any help appreciated.
I ask myself why I get so annoyed by some of the posts on this board. And it's simple: as a man it...pains me when other men don't get it. You know that feeling where you want to grab someone by the shirt, shake him silly and say "Wake the f*** up, pal!"
As I said previously, many guys will miss the point in Medved's posts. It's so freakin' sad. You should not be trying to impress a woman, she should be impressing you. The guys who think their hotel room matters don't yet understand that if a woman is turned on enough, she'll f*** you in a bathroom at the club, or in a parked car, where ever you can do the deed. Does that require knowing "how" to get her amped? Yes. That's the point with non-pro's, you actually have to know what you're doing. Or just hope you get "lucky". Ick, with a side of ICK!
Lover versus provider distinction, guys. Simple evolutionary biology. You decide which category you get to occupy in her mind. Choose wisely and
good things happen.
Final thought: At this point, I find it impossible to pay. Granted, I did years ago, but I just can't wrap my brain around the concept now. The thing that seems prized above all else in this community is the GFE, or girlfriend experience. For the uninitiated, that's where you pay somone, and the experience is so wonderful and intimate it's as if she's actually your girlfriend. How about NOT paying, and getting her to act like she wants to be your girlfriend? Seems like a shortcut to me.
Just a thought...
Doctor_Skank
04-03-08, 21:48
Final thought: At this point, I find it impossible to pay. Granted, I did years ago, but I just can't wrap my brain around the concept now. The thing that seems prized above all else in this community is the GFE, or girlfriend experience. For the uninitiated, that's where you pay somone, and the experience is so wonderful and intimate it's as if she's actually your girlfriend. How about NOT paying, and getting her to act like she wants to be your girlfriend? Seems like a shortcut to me.
Just a thought...
Here are some more thoughts:
1) P4P: You aren't paying them to stay, you are paying them to leave afterwards. A lot of truth in there. When you've already got dozens of "girlfriends" it's nice to sometimes not have to remember another name or go out for another watery cappucino and mayonaise salad and instead just get your bone on with a perky-titted blonde pseudo-student tramp for a Benjamin or two.
2) Not everybody has the time or the ability or the motivation to chase freebies. P4P is a great thing as long as the monger is the one doing the FUCKING and not the one getting FUCKED.
3) Nothing wrong with expensive hotels when the company's paying for it. Say what you want, but many chicks dig a taste of luxury now and then... it has a way of turning them on. It's fun. For many girls money = power = manliness = sex appeal. Personality will get you far, but you'll notice your percentages dropping when you start asking them to split cab fare and go Dutch on meals.
Travelling on business is a no-brainer, it's impossible not to get laid unless you are a no-pulse troll. Wine her and dine her in the nicest restaurants and stay in the nicest hotels and she'll never know it wasn't actually your money you were spending on her...
For a monger paying his own accomodations though, apartments are the way to go. I stay in apartments 90% of the time because of the convenience, no hassle and "house party" atmosphere, but also because of cost and especially since there are really only 2 good hotels in Kiev, neither of which I particularly like. When they get a Ritz Carlton and a Kempinski I'll reconsider... provided they have a pool, gym and sauna.
5) There are many types of female in Kiev in different social classes, some require more lubrication than others. Lubrication isn't necessarily in the form of luxury or money, romance and personality go far.... and especially experience and intelligence. Oddly enough, higher class girls often are the ones I end up spending the least amount of money on and they put out some of the best uninhibited and UNCOMPLICATED sex. They feel they need to get laid otherwise they are missing out on life. For many Ukrainian girls who aren't married by 24 or are already divorced again, life ends at 30 and they tend to fuck like rabbits as the midnight hour approaches. They know very well their capital ASSets tend to devaluate sooner than later.
6) Ukraine isn't a contest of freebie vs. P4P. It's the mix. It's Candyland, something for everybody. My most memorable sex adventures have been with both freebies and pros, so I can only recommend to all to pursue both avenues for the most fun and best sex.
I wouldn't try that in Holland, let alone Ukraine :)
A man who doesn't have (or spend) money is regarded as inadequate in the FSU. Sure, don't get played, but showing you're successful in a country where most people are broke is important.
I wouldn't try that in Holland, let alone Ukraine :)
A man who doesn't have (or spend) money is regarded as inadequate in the FSU. Sure, don't get played, but showing you're successful in a country where most people are broke is important.
Most people are broke? You kidding these days?
And you don’t have to flash the cash to be successful with women here, inadequate if you don’t spend? Not true, sell the image and they won’t expect more than the image.
It’s all about looking the part. To be successful you must have more front than Marks and Spencer’s, this goes in business here as well as with women.
I find a sharp suit a good watch and a good mobile phone goes a million miles.
I have not spent more than 300 grn on a date here ever. And my fuck rate to dates is 100%
Doctor_Skank
04-04-08, 09:08
Most people are broke? You kidding these days?
And you don’t have to flash the cash to be successful with women here, inadequate if you don’t spend? Not true, sell the image and they won’t expect more than the image.
It’s all about looking the part. To be successful you must have more front than Marks and Spencer’s, this goes in business here as well as with women.
I find a sharp suit a good watch and a good mobile phone goes a million miles.
I have not spent more than 300 grn on a date here ever. And my fuck rate to dates is 100%
I think you are missing his point. It's not about actually spending oodles of money, but rather about making sure she knows you are successful at what you do, whether that's business, art or playing the guitar. Women (and not just UKR women) love successful men and men with drive and passion to achieve things in life, period. Having money is all a part of this. Having no money in Ukraine... especially for a mid-30s+ foreigner... is a crime. You by your own definition are selling the part with a suit, watch and glam phone. I'm often in that set as well, even though by nature I am more a jeans and jacket kind of guy, sometimes even going very casual. If you have a story to tell (preferably a real one), it goes a long way. At the end of the day they are just women.
100% Uhuh. What, 3 out of 3?
3 out of 3?
is still a 100 percent ;) :)
Dr.
I don’t miss the point; just perhaps you miss read my post.
The point about most people being broke here these days is not really correct the standard of living for most people in Kiev is pretty good, out of Kiev is a different story yet most posters here only ever go to Kiev.
I am a jeans man myself most days, but I do seem to get more attention if I am in a suit.
I agree with you on the story point it’s very good BUT you must be able to back up the story if pushed.
Obviously cars are also seen as a big statement here but for a visitor however regular that’s a no go, never mind the standard of driving but that’s another story.
And by the way 3 out of 3? Please more like 4!!!!! ;o)
Doctor_Skank
04-04-08, 10:41
Dr.
I don’t miss the point; just perhaps you miss read my post.
The point about most people being broke here these days is not really correct the standard of living for most people in Kiev is pretty good, out of Kiev is a different story yet most posters here only ever go to Kiev.
I am a jeans man myself most days, but I do seem to get more attention if I am in a suit.
I agree with you on the story point it’s very good BUT you must be able to back up the story if pushed.
Obviously cars are also seen as a big statement here but for a visitor however regular that’s a no go, never mind the standard of driving but that’s another story.
And by the way 3 out of 3? Please more like 4!!!!! ;o)
Agreed... why some people believe everybody in Kiev is living in absolute squalor is beyond me... even though if you want squalor you can find it too.
The standard of living might have improved, but many of the students and young women are still living day to day on very low budgets. There aren't enough rich sugar daddies to go around and despite what is sometimes written here, the vast majority of girls here do not have any sponsors or "alternative" forms of income.
Apropros squalor... an part time gf of mine went home for the holidays recently once, to some dump outside of Kiev and when she came back she had strange marks on her body (like mosquito bites) that had been treated by a doctor with some strange green liquid, but wouldn't tell me what they were, she was embarassed. My assumption is that when she visited her parents she lived in their shabby apartment and slept on a bed or couch that had bedbugs or something. Nice reality check and nice contrast to her normally very well made up semi-glam facade.
As far as stories, I'll bend my story just to keep a certain degree of confidentiality or to put my job description in terms they'll more easily understand, but very rarely will I make up something completely. For a one night stand it won't matter, but most girls I see a few times or more and it isn't easy or practical to weave a web of lies. Besides, my true stories are more interesting than any lies I could think of.. :)
4 out of 4 ain't bad either, my point being nobody scores 100%... beyond that, some dates I don't want to score with and I am sure you are the same. Sometimes the chemistry isn't right or she is just annoying. Why go through the motions with someone you don't want when there is so much else available?
I'll admit if I am pressed for time I'll go for girls I am not super interested in just to get some sex, but if time allows I'll cut some loose as well.
Moreover, this thread is turning into a "whose got the biggest cock" thread which might be entertaining at times and I am sure we all have great stories to tell, but it shouldn't become a matter of name-calling and finger-pointing.
I love to hear the stories, but sometimes the tone here is ridiculous.
You make one very valid point about regarding cars... the single worst thing about being a visitor to Kiev and not a resident is not having a car. Chicks love cars worldwide and for good reason. I hate being dependent on others for transportation, just as I hate not having a real apartment with my stuff there.
Bez Bezarra
04-04-08, 11:06
It's not about actually spending oodles of money, but rather about making sure she knows you are successful at what you do, whether that's business, art or playing the guitar.
Geez Doc, must you always be so fucking accurate!?
I normally don’t date first, I will invite a girl for a lunch time drink (normally coffee) and perhaps a sandwich and do an interview stage before inviting for a date.
That way I get the feel of the girl before the "date", I must admit I am hard at this stage and last year referred back to past interviews some three months after and began a short relationship with a previously discarded interviewee.
I got the wrong vibe from her first time around, bumped into her again and found a gem same girl what she had not told me first time was she had a boyfriend in the background second time he was history!
She is history now for me as I am married and my wife started to get a vibe from me, as this girl got under my skin a little since she is probably one of my top 5 all time lays. ;o)
In my opinion the game in Ukraine is run by girls,not by boys.The girls use all kinds of techniques and manipulations and they clearly tell you what they want.They speak out their mind,so to say.So there is no problem getting into their mentality since they reveal their desires.
Other slavic women do not tell you what they want,letting you to guess.So they are more inclined to game.
If you try to use techniques on ukrainian girls,they become very angry and start heavy shit testing,they almost refuse to speak and get rude because they see the patterns they use.So the position is inversed than in the West.
The man is the desired sex who has to be gamed and seduced into bed and not the woman.The woman's role is to provide great sex experience and general pleasure to get in return what she wants from the man.
So the discussion about rules is pointless since there are no rules,or to be more precise there are rules applied on women how to game a man,there are no rules for men,men have no limits in FSU.
Hi every one
I will be in Kiev next mont, I hope to find sexy girl their.
Has any one know something abut Mystery Tramp? Is she still around? Is her techniques still good?
I see the pries from GIA is up again, has any on any exprieens with the GIA girls lately?
And to all good man from this grat burred, plsess do not get angery, I now allot you to not like GIA, but as I point out before, this is my ezeyis way to have sex after a long day of work.
Thanks in advents.
Her555
In my opinion the game in Ukraine is run by girls,not by boys.The girls use all kinds of techniques and manipulations and they clearly tell you what they want.They speak out their mind,so to say.So there is no problem getting into their mentality since they reveal their desires.
Other slavic women do not tell you what they want,letting you to guess.So they are more inclined to game.
If you try to use techniques on ukrainian girls,they become very angry and start heavy shit testing,they almost refuse to speak and get rude because they see the patterns they use.So the position is inversed than in the West.
The man is the desired sex who has to be gamed and seduced into bed and not the woman.The woman's role is to provide great sex experience and general pleasure to get in return what she wants from the man.
So the discussion about rules is pointless since there are no rules,or to be more precise there are rules applied on women how to game a man,there are no rules for men,men have no limits in FSU.
I think you are quite close to the truth there, I also think the stament mentioned soem time ago about show them they have competition and they try harder! I think Bez said it?
Skank is spot on, girls are drawn to success - in any field - like bees to nectar. But let's face it, how can anyone objectively judge success? Both successful bankers and guitarists are rich. It's the majority of unsuccessful guitarists (and businessmen, come to think of it) who are broke. And one of the main features of winning a Nobel prize is that you get to pick up a large amount of cash.
It's really being seen to have money that marks you out as successful. Who wants to be the world's most respected metaphysical poet when you can't afford to buy a girl a drink?
And remember, when you do treat a girl, it's because you WANT to, not because you think you have to. What you do with your $s is entirely under your control.
AColonizer
04-06-08, 16:00
Everyone has his own hunting style. I saw an user, of this forum, says "Hey girl, come to me for having fun, I have a lot of money to spend." In your opinion, is this a good approach?
Sasha, a true player's player. ;-)
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