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more sasha
nice girl!!!
can you explain where did you find her, how much did you pay etc... ???????
I met her at McDonalds at My Don. I was at the right place at the right time with the wrong idea.
The first two nights and mornings were free, dinner and a movie. Little did I know that she worked for Max at erotic massage. I feel in "love" with the illusion as she went to Moscow to see her Aunt. Her Aunt turned out to be her 60 year old sponsor Mario from Rome who took her to St Petersberg. ;-) I found out that I was about one of 7. We spent two weeks together in late June when I found out my sweet love was not so sweet. ;-)
I dished out a few hundred for her to go to college and get a room, the room turned out to be with her 20 year old Romo in Berdansk. ;-) There was also Amr from Dubai, Ian from England, Mohamed from Turkey, Marismo and Vlad. This was all before she turned 19! Sadly she looks like she has partied hard and long for the last 11 months. It looks more like 10 ten hard years. She is a player's player and has the blood temp of a reptile. ;-)
Everyone has his own hunting style. I saw an user, of this forum, says "Hey girl, come to me for having fun, I have a lot of money to spend." In your opinion, is this a good approach?
Only if you have a lot of money and willingness to use it! ;)
I really believe there are many different working approaches, depending on girl and attitude of the hunting man. Stay tuned and find the fastest way to get the right key to open paradise's doors. Money is just one of the lever. Class, charme, sharpness, respect, adaptation, places, fun, chemistry matter also a lot
And remember, when you do treat a girl, it's because you WANT to, not because you think you have to. What you do with your $s is entirely under your control.
Words of wisdom....
I met her at McDonalds at My Don. I was at the right place at the right time with the wrong idea.
The first two nights and mornings were free, dinner and a movie. Little did I know that she worked for Max at erotic massage. I feel in "love" with the illusion as she went to Moscow to see her Aunt. Her Aunt turned out to be her 60 year old sponsor Mario from Rome who took her to St Petersberg. ;-) I found out that I was about one of 7. We spent two weeks together in late June when I found out my sweet love was not so sweet. ;-)
I dished out a few hundred for her to go to college and get a room, the room turned out to be with her 20 year old Romo in Berdansk. ;-) There was also Amr from Dubai, Ian from England, Mohamed from Turkey, Marismo and Vlad. This was all before she turned 19! Sadly she looks like she has partied hard and long for the last 11 months. It looks more like 10 ten hard years. She is a player's player and has the blood temp of a reptile. ;-)Mc Donalds at My DON? where is this exactly I know the Mc Donald in the main stree there in Kiev center, are you talking about this MC Donald? or how can O go to this one you menationed?
Everyone has his own hunting style. I saw an user, of this forum, says "Hey girl, come to me for having fun, I have a lot of money to spend." In your opinion, is this a good approach?
It's personally not my style but I'm sure it will work. And it will work far better as a sponsorship advertisement (with offered rate quoted) than a chat up line :)
Toptraveler1
04-07-08, 22:01
Hi,
I plan to spend 4 days.next week- in Kiev or Prague.
I have been in both already but which one could be the best choice.
I speak a little bit Russian and I would like to be sure that in 4 days I could have sex with some girls in Kiev for free, if not Prague seems to be a better choice.
What do you think?
Thanks
Hi,
I plan to spend 4 days.next week- in Kiev or Prague.
I have been in both already but which one could be the best choice.
I speak a little bit Russian and I would like to be sure that in 4 days I could have sex with some girls in Kiev for free, if not Prague seems to be a better choice.
What do you think?
Thanks
If you have been to them both before, then you already know the answer................
Hi,
I plan to spend 4 days.next week- in Kiev or Prague.
I have been in both already but which one could be the best choice.
I speak a little bit Russian and I would like to be sure that in 4 days I could have sex with some girls in Kiev for free, if not Prague seems to be a better choice.
What do you think?
ThanksYou cannot be sure that if you stay 4 days in Kiev you will have sex for free.It is equally likely you find a scammer in club.However if you want to have some chance to lay girls for free,then Kiev is better choice than Prague.
To put it this way,in Kiev you have 30% chance to bed a girl in 4 days if you come on weekend and hit all the clubs or by prearranged contacts from internet.In Prague your chance is more like 5%.
AColonizer
04-08-08, 09:53
I lost the phone number of Max.
Can somebody could help me?
Toptraveler1
04-08-08, 12:35
But I've long long time ago.
If you have been to them both before, then you already know the answer................
Maybe Mav meant to say My Dong. Actually I think he means Maidan. Mav, if you met her at McD it looks like you just caught her before she became a pro ho. Bet she doesn't eat at McD anymore, does she? ;)
AC, that approach only works in River Palace. Even in Decadence where it's all about the money they girls will either 1) look at you like a piece of crap - that is if they aren't already doing that or 2) Say to themselves, let's see how much I can soak this sucker for.
AColonizer
04-11-08, 13:03
What is the complete address of big sexy shops in Kiev?
Please, help me. I need good tools for my art.
Hello fellows,
I have a KIEV STAR mobile phone card in my mobile phone I bought in Germany. So far no problem.
However, today (I am in Nikolaev now) I wanted to make a phone call to a local girl, but not showing that I am in the country.
In Germany I can easily hide my number by changing the relevant setting in my mobile phone (SAMSUNG) with my German mobile phone company.
Now I cannot use this procedure successfully, cause if I do, no more calls can be made.
Questions: Has anyone had the same experience?
Is it only with KIEV STAR?
Does it work with other mobile phone operators?
Please help me, if you can!
Does anyone here know what is a good apartment company to deal with in Kiev?
I tried to book with Kievapts suggested by one you guys, and they don't book anything under 4 nights. I need an apartment in center of Kiev for only two nights? Should I just book a hotel room? your input is very much appreciated.
Does anyone here know what is a good apartment company to deal with in Kiev?
I tried to book with Kievapts suggested by one you guys, and they don't book anything under 4 nights. I need an apartment in center of Kiev for only two nights? Should I just book a hotel room? your input is very much appreciated.
kievapts will book and if not try uaapartments.
i cant believe they shined u on for less then 4 nights. normally they charge an extra $10 a night or something which is still cheaper then an apartment and one of their flats is nicer then even a 5 star apartment in the centre. did you talk to arik or jean? they are both owners so make sure u speak with them.
Hello fellows,
I have a KIEV STAR mobile phone card in my mobile phone I bought in Germany. So far no problem.
However, today (I am in Nikolaev now) I wanted to make a phone call to a local girl, but not showing that I am in the country.
In Germany I can easily hide my number by changing the relevant setting in my mobile phone (SAMSUNG) with my German mobile phone company.
Now I cannot use this procedure successfully, cause if I do, no more calls can be made.
Questions: Has anyone had the same experience?
Is it only with KIEV STAR?
Does it work with other mobile phone operators?
Please help me, if you can!Do you have a 380 #? How did you get Kyiv star in Germany?
I personally have a blackberry "world edition" in the states but it is completely useless here. I just purchased the least expensive non sexy phone last summer and it actually works better then my BB.
Anyway if your SIM # is not 380 then it would not be a local # and I don’t see why they would sell you a Ukrainian SIM card in Germany?
Hello,
Does anybody have email or number for Max from Italy?
Spassibo for frsir reply from TELOS.
However, there is some misunderstanding.
I am in Ukraine right now!
Did anyone try over here to hide his local tel number on his mobile phone?
Reiner Otto
04-12-08, 09:32
Hi Elmar,
Rufnummernunterdrueckung geht auch bei mir nicht.
Habe ebenfalls Kievstar, SIM in UA gekauft.
Gruss
Reiner
I have been in Russia, Romania, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
BUT not in Ukraina. I am afraid it might be too late for Ukraina.
In Russia today it is too expensive for me, but I had a lot of funn 5 years ago.
I do love EE girls, I had the pleashure of doing Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania some years ago and prices and service was exelent. I tried again lately and I ounderstood it is too late. The girls are gone - mostly to England and Germany and the service is often rip-off. I do find sexy girls in the stripclubs, but all the work to get her phonenumber and make a deal outside the club usually ends with nothing.
Before I could work this way easy.
What happened? Am I right?
In Romania the girls only care about your money and I was disapointed with the service. Is there anyone who is happy with the situation in Romania?
I had a great session with a russian girl some days ago. She said the Ukraenian girls look good, but in generall not serviceminded. Do you think the service from a russian girl use to be better than the ukraenian?
My plan was to go to Kiev, but I am probably way too late. I dont ounderstand why people go to Kiev and pay more than other places in europe.
I dont ounderstand why it is so expensive in Moscow. Why the moscowgirls go to London when they can make more money in Moscow?
If some of you can give me god ideas about where I find the best EE girls I am ready to leave for a sextrip soon.
Thanks
Because 90% of Moscow is a shit hole? Also in Moscow hot girls are a dime a dozen, in London less so and London is currently the 'Glam' FSU destination.
Why the moscowgirls go to London when they can make more money in Moscow?
Prices are so expensive in Moscow because the place is awash in Petro money which drives all other portions of the economy and brings in a lot of foreign interest and business.
If you don't want to spend a lot of money don't go to Moscow, Saint Petersburg or Kiev.
Mobile Phones...
I don't remember ever seeing private calls from Ukraine numbers. Maybe when you guys try to do it doesn't allow you to make calls. SIM cards are so cheap 5-10uah just go out and buy a new one if you need to make discret calls or you are a stalker.
My UMC err, MTS SIM card has worked in the US, England, Switzerland, Netherland, Spain and Germany.
Telos, why doesn't your Blackberry work in Ukraine? Is it a US CDMA phone with no SIM card?
Apartments
ISG used and some times not approved apartment agencies are...
http://apartments.com.ua/
http://www.uaapartments.com/
http://www.ukraineapartments.com/
Wow, prices are crazy and it doesn't help being American $. ;)
To find the best EE girls?What does it mean?
1.To find the best looking EE girls?
2.To find the most available EE girls?
3.To find the cheapest EE girls?
4.To find the most service oriented EE girls?
Every question has a different answer and much depends on personality and experience of the monger.Places I prefer would prove crap for others and where they go seems mistake to me.
Do you have a 380 #? How did you get Kyiv star in Germany?
I personally have a blackberry "world edition" in the states but it is completely useless here. I just purchased the least expensive non sexy phone last summer and it actually works better then my BB.
Anyway if your SIM # is not 380 then it would not be a local # and I don’t see why they would sell you a Ukrainian SIM card in Germany?
I guess the mobile phone was bought in Germany and it works fine even with Kievstar card. This is true for all the european mobiles
Blackberries work also perfectly in UA where both EDGE and GPRS networks are well supported. "Worldwide" means that the RIM services (basically mails and synchronization of basic services like calendars and task lists) work everywhere in the world for the same flat right. Calls ans text messages depend on the card and its carrier.
The problem is that an US SIM card typically works on different frequencies and then you have roaming problems here. Putting a local card (assuming that your specific blackberry model can work on different frequencies, as most of the models do) requires anyway full reconfiguration of your blackberry (and loss of everything you have in). If you really want to use it, make a backup and go to a local technician, if you are not able to reset and reinstall all the BB facilities by yourself.
Thanks everybody for trying to help me.
However, you seem not to grasp my problem. Anyhow, it was my problem until now. I just bought a sim card from LIFE, a UA mobile phone provider. Reason for that: my favourite girl friend over here is on LIFE and that way I can call her free of charge non stop.
I asked the girl Olga in the shop to hide my number. Olga spoke good English and was very helpful and finally successful. Nevertheless the whole procedure took a good 20 minutes incl. Olga asking her local boos and sitting in the waiting queu for LIFE hotline.
Now my other devushki contacts cannot sse, that I am in their country and instead I can easily pretend (for tactical purposes), that I am still in Germany.
I have been in Russia, Romania, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
BUT not in Ukraina. I am afraid it might be too late for Ukraina.
In Russia today it is too expensive for me, but I had a lot of funn 5 years ago.
I do love EE girls, I had the pleashure of doing Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania some years ago and prices and service was exelent. I tried again lately and I ounderstood it is too late. The girls are gone - mostly to England and Germany and the service is often rip-off. I do find sexy girls in the stripclubs, but all the work to get her phonenumber and make a deal outside the club usually ends with nothing.
Before I could work this way easy.
What happened? Am I right?
In Romania the girls only care about your money and I was disapointed with the service. Is there anyone who is happy with the situation in Romania?
I had a great session with a russian girl some days ago. She said the Ukraenian girls look good, but in generall not serviceminded. Do you think the service from a russian girl use to be better than the ukraenian?
My plan was to go to Kiev, but I am probably way too late. I dont ounderstand why people go to Kiev and pay more than other places in europe.
I dont ounderstand why it is so expensive in Moscow. Why the moscowgirls go to London when they can make more money in Moscow?
If some of you can give me god ideas about where I find the best EE girls I am ready to leave for a sextrip soon.
Thanks
Try Cyprus. Plenty of EE girls with the best price. You can have a girl for 6 hours for under 200 euros
Try Cyprus. Plenty of EE girls with the best price. You can have a girl for 6 hours for under 200 euros
So they travel all the way to Cyprus (which has higher living costs than UKR) to earn LESS money?
Hello,
Any recommendations for good and reliable apartment service in Kiev? I usually stay in hotels in the centre but want to try out an apartment this time.
So they travel all the way to Cyprus (which has higher living costs than UKR) to earn LESS money?
Less money then where? they are given accomodation the fare (they repay that) and get to earn money. (more than they would in Ukraine, I know three girls who have bought apartments and cars and live very well from a tour of duty to Cyprus once a year ;o) and its all done legally for them visas are given to the girls by the Cypriot government not like trying to sneak into western europe.
Cyprus is a great place to p4p EE girls and a very well kept secret, its great for it and the prices you have just been told are correct!
Many people do not understand the economics in EE countries vs western countries. Let's say the demand for pros is not elastic in EE countries while it is elastic in non-EE countries. What does it mean?
The girls in EE countries no matter how much they ask they will have the same number of clients or slightly increased or reduced because only rich people can afford to pay these prices. There is no important middle class only bottom, low class which cannot afford any price and high upscale rich class which can afford every price. So when the magnitude of upscale class increases that is when due to increased oil price more people become rich the prices of pros increase accordingly because there are more people who can afford them. They catch with the minimum, I cannot explain that exactly.
In western countries the middle class drives the prices of average prostitution (not models, famous etc). So the prices balance where demand meets offer and they seem more reasonable because they are formed according to middle class wages, their main supporter.
Simply a girl in Kiev who asks for 300$ per 2 hours will make 300-600$ on average per day because this is the limit set by rich people demand. The same girl in Cyprus can ask for 150$ per 2 hours and will make over 1000$ per day because she will have 5-10 clients per day because there are a lot of middle class people who can afford her. If she asked for more, like 300$ for 2 hours she would make less because fewer than 2-4 clients per day would want to have sex with her due to other chances set by girls offer and because they cannot afford such a price. So the best for her is to set for a lower price while in Kiev if she accepted 150$ for example instead of 300$ she would not have so many more clients per day as to compensate the damage because in Ukraine simply there are not so many people of the higher class.
Not only that, but there is also the sun and fun factor for girls.
Who wants to be stuck ho'ing in Lugansk, Kiev or where ever when you could be hanging at the beach in Cyprus. You have to remember Ash, the center of Kiev is not representative of the whole Ukraine.
Hi Elmar,
If u have a Ukraine Sim card (Kiev Star, UMC, Jeans or whatever) it is NOT possible to hide your number when you are making phone calls with it.
This option is blocked by all providers!
If you bring your own Sim card from for instance Germany you can Roam into the Kiev Star or the UMC network and u can hide your number! The person who you call in Ukraine will see a standard Ukraine number in his or her display when u make a call with your German Sim card.
AColonizer
04-16-08, 16:01
I can't read every post here because I am hunting here in Kiev, but it seems the question is: where can prostitutes earn more money as soon as possible and with minimum work?
I want to reply to this question with another question: why do Ukrainian prostitutes go abroad, for example to Italy, if they can earn much more in Kiev? I hear, every week, prostitutes wishing to go abroad to earn more: is this the classical slavic madness? They launched the Sputnik in 1957 and, at the same time, they don't know the result of 1+1?
Last news, now in River Palace girls are asking for 300$/first hour (for bad work, of course, I am sure a lot of men don't know what is real sex with a woman otherwise nobody will pay more than 50$/first hour). If they ask for 300$, it means there are a lot of men paying at least 150$/first hour. Where are the happy days when men paid 100$/day?
Sure, there are a few people paying $300/hr for sex in Kiev. But they are the minority. Which also answers your question as to why do girls leave Kiev to 'work' overseas. How many people did you see walking out of RP arm in arm after coming to a deal? Not many, before Eurovision in 2005 it was a constant stream of couples leaving.
I said it before, I'll say it again. Kiev Center is not representative of what life is really like in the Ukraine. Beautiful girls in Kiev are a kopeck a dozen. The moment you forget that is the moment you end up at RP paying $300/hr.
Sure Cruiser, but you need both time and game to get them. For very short trips RP is both convenient and central. Plus, as you've often recounted, there is an art to 'seducing' the RP girls into getting them to give you more for less..
Many (not all) girls at RP are both overpriced and brusque. They know they are dealing primarily with Westerners whom they won't see again so they think they can get away with it.
Where do the rich locals hook up with their sponsorees? Do you need to be a regular at Tsar club splurging on the Dom Perignon?
I might be going to Kiev this July and was trying to do a search on flirt using babelfish. Everytime I did a search it kept giving me girls and guys from the USA.
How can I search for girls just in Kiev.
Thanks
Guys I need help with flirt.com. I tried doing a search for kiev girls who want sponsoring but all I get is girls and guys from the United States.
Can someone help me using this? I did use babelfish so I dont know what I did wrong.
Thanks
Guys I need help with flirt.com. I tried doing a search for kiev girls who want sponsoring but all I get is girls and guys from the United States.
Can someone help me using this? I did use babelfish so I dont know what I did wrong.
Thanks
Dont use bable fish to translate the whole page
Just copy and paste parts of it.
Guys I need help with flirt.com. I tried doing a search for kiev girls who want sponsoring but all I get is girls and guys from the United States.
ThanksI think your problem is not Babelfish, but how to use the pull down menus. At the very top of the menu it says "Liuboi gorod" "pick a city" . This will bring you to a world map. There are three sequential menus: you pick country Украин Ukraine, then the oblast Киев Kiev, then the city Kiev within the oblast.
Does this address your issue?
Guys I need help with flirt.com. I tried doing a search for kiev girls who want sponsoring but all I get is girls and guys from the United States.
Can someone help me using this? I did use babelfish so I dont know what I did wrong.
ThanksI think your problem is with the pull down menu, not babelfish.
I think the web site recognizes your IP address as being in the USA and so gives you a choice of US cities. You need to get past this. At the very bottom of the pull-down menu you get "pick another city" vybrat drugoj gorod. You will get a pop-up screen with three cascading menus for country, oblast, city where you pick Ukraine, Kiev, Kiev (in Russian).
Note Ukraine, is second from the top of the country list, below Russia, not at the bottom of the country list in its alphabetical order.
If you have set your browser to prevent all pop-ups, you may never get past the first step.
Does this help?
Note correction: you are looking for "vybrat drugoj gorod" at the very bottom.
I'll be in Kiev until 5 May, if you want we can meet.
Send me a private message with your e-mail.
Hi there,
I will be travelling to Kiev from 30. April until 05. May. Any of you there and able to show me arround a bit and giving me a hand with the girls / ladies?
I dont speak russian, only english or german.
ATM. waiting for my account to get activated, so I think PMs are currently not possible.
Any help appreciated.
I am also trying to follow your directions to get into Flirt.com. The trouble I have is which site are you guys talking about. There is many sites that star with "Flirt". Are you speaking of flirt.com or flirt. Ru or flirt.com. Ru, or flirt&love.com? I registered on flirt. Ru where there is a pull down menu and you can find Ukraine and Kiev on the pull down menu. But then I don't know how to find the girls that are advertising to get "sponsorship", may be you can help many of us newbies and clarify this further.
Thank you for your time.
I think your problem is with the pull down menu, not babelfish.
I think the web site recognizes your IP address as being in the USA and so gives you a choice of US cities. You need to get past this. At the very bottom of the pull-down menu you get "pick another city" vybrat drugoj gorod. You will get a pop-up screen with three cascading menus for country, oblast, city where you pick Ukraine, Kiev, Kiev (in Russian).
Note Ukraine, is second from the top of the country list, below Russia, not at the bottom of the country list in its alphabetical order.
If you have set your browser to prevent all pop-ups, you may never get past the first step.
Does this help?
Note correction: you are looking for "vybrat drugoj gorod" at the very bottom.
I think your problem is with the pull down menu, not babelfish.
I think the web site recognizes your IP address as being in the USA and so gives you a choice of US cities. You need to get past this. At the very bottom of the pull-down menu you get "pick another city" vybrat drugoj gorod. You will get a pop-up screen with three cascading menus for country, oblast, city where you pick Ukraine, Kiev, Kiev (in Russian).
Note Ukraine, is second from the top of the country list, below Russia, not at the bottom of the country list in its alphabetical order.
If you have set your browser to prevent all pop-ups, you may never get past the first step.
Does this help?
Note correction: you are looking for "vybrat drugoj gorod" at the very bottom.Thanks I tried doing what you told me but failed miserably. lol.
I don't know what I am doing wrong. My popups are off and still no map shows up. Do I need to become a VIP member to make searches?
Sorry for my incompetence. lol.
Thanks I tried doing what you told me but failed miserably. lol.
I don't know what I am doing wrong. My popups are off and still no map shows up. Do I need to become a VIP member to make searches?
Sorry for my incompetence. lol.
Dont use bable fish to trabslate the full page! thats the problem!
Have a friend who had same problem, as I said copy and paste certain parts into bable fish
AColonizer
04-19-08, 13:07
I discovered prices rose up about 50% in entertainment services in last months: for example the mint rhino strip bar in February was 60 grivnas/entry, instead now this is 100 grivnas/entry, prostitutes in February was 60$/first hour, instead now they are 100$/first hour. Crazy prices, above all about prostitutes because they usually have anal sex (and swallow blowjobs) with their boyfriends but they don't give her ass for customers paying crazy prices.
Now scamming has definitely become the favourite sport in Kiev! I have some regular girls that in the past they were good girls. But now they have become scammers too. In my opinion, there are a lot of ways for scamming, the classical way is to have a dinner in an expensive restaurant and to pay for her taxi transfers.
I am studying a strategy to waste their money as much as they wasted my money. .
In general, any girl doesn't deserve a gentleman. We have to be gentlemen just to fuck them and to throw them away when we have bored about them, in the same slavic male style. Or better, I explain what I see with my own eyes: girls in Kiev are used to be easy fuckable with their slavic men, whatever is the slavic men's behaviour. Instead girls in Kiev are used to be scammers with foreigners. I heard some users here are successfull with freebies but I am sure they have a slavic style to manage girls in Kiev.
A lot of funny/sad things I saw here in Kiev, maybe I will report in future. I am always ready to reply to private messages that I received but I would like a real information exchange among us.
AColonizer
04-19-08, 13:10
About a good service and a valued price, I suggest Ludmila/Yana phone number +[Telephone Number deleted by Admin]: she deserves a visit!
EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited to remove personal telephone numbers in the text. Please do not post personal telephone numbers in the Forum. Instead, please invite other Forum Members to contact you for this information directly via the Forum's Private Messaging system. Thanks!
Dont use bable fish to trabslate the full page! thats the problem!
Have a friend who had same problem, as I said copy and paste certain parts into bable fishOh this is not a problem. What I did was translate on one tab the whole page. But to navigate I used the regular page without any translation but still knew what I was clicking due to the other tab I had open. I hope that made sense.
When I registered it gave me a map. And I choose my place of residence as NY, USA. Is that the problem? Should I have said I was from Kiev?
Also, the site is the same that ITtravel always uses which is flirt.com. Ua.
Thanks guys for your patience with me.
When I registered it gave me a map. And I choose my place of residence as NY, USA. Is that the problem? Should I have said I was from Kiev?
Also, the site is the same that ITtravel always uses which is flirt.com. Ua.
I myself would put down Kiev if that's the city where you're going to be. It probably won't make a big difference because you will like only correspond with women you write to first. (No surprise: the 18-25 year olds will not be looking for you.) Eventually, they will ask "What brings you to the Ukraine? To Kiev? " so you might as well figure out what you're going to say.
I am also trying to follow your directions to get into Flirt.com. The trouble I have is which site are you guys talking about.
Thank you for your time.There are three big databases for dating in the Ukraine. Each database appears under 2-12 different names and URL's. See this link to a previous post for a list.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=677964#post677964
It's not Flirt.com, but Flirt.ru which has about 10 million screenames.
The other two big ones are dating.ru and loveplanet.ru
I discovered prices rose up about 50% in entertainment services in last months: for example the mint rhino strip bar in February was 60 grivnas/entry, instead now this is 100 grivnas/entry, prostitutes in February was 60$/first hour, instead now they are 100$/first hour. Crazy prices, above all about prostitutes because they usually have anal sex (and swallow blowjobs) with their boyfriends but they don't give her ass for customers paying crazy prices.
Now scamming has definitely become the favourite sport in Kiev! I have some regular girls that in the past they were good girls. But now they have become scammers too. In my opinion, there are a lot of ways for scamming, the classical way is to have a dinner in an expensive restaurant and to pay for her taxi transfers.
I am studying a strategy to waste their money as much as they wasted my money. .
In general, any girl doesn't deserve a gentleman. We have to be gentlemen just to fuck them and to throw them away when we have bored about them, in the same slavic male style. Or better, I explain what I see with my own eyes: girls in Kiev are used to be easy fuckable with their slavic men, whatever is the slavic men's behaviour. Instead girls in Kiev are used to be scammers with foreigners. I heard some users here are successfull with freebies but I am sure they have a slavic style to manage girls in Kiev.
A lot of funny/sad things I saw here in Kiev, maybe I will report in future. I am always ready to reply to private messages that I received but I would like a real information exchange among us.At least Acolonizer you have discovered the advantages of slavic style.
AC (and Hecker), you are just wasting your time (and money) avoid the sl uts and ho's who don't fit your needs or who you know are probably scammers. Very easy to do. That's the real Slavic style Hecker.
AColonizer
04-21-08, 15:52
Yes that's true but it is hard to act as a Russian, first of all it is necessary to speak Russian well and to "assimilate" (does this word exist in English? ) their acting: when I see Slavic people talking among them, it seems to see actors in a movie, everything done by them is fake and is a part of a pretending game among them.
Sometimes, or often, here forumers misunderstand what I talk about. Therefore it is possible people don't understand what I am talking in next examples, this is a very important detail to understand how much different is Slavic mindset "mentalitet".
First example.
In November, I went to the street address of a prostitute but I didn't remember the number of her flat. So I asked to a person walking near there (of course, I didn't say she is a prostitute) and this person called the owner of that flat, Victor. Victor replied she ran away some months ago because he sent police to stop her business. Victor speaks Russian only and so he phoned her speaking-English daughter to translate to me. In last week, I met this prostitute again and again (I have a too good time with her and a very discounted price) and I discovered she is living at the same street address. You know, flat owners always know who is living in their flats. Therefore the situation is: Victor lied to me and her daughter, he doesn't want people and his family know he is connected in prostitution business and he acts as a tender father.
Second example.
In last week, I went to some massage salons and strip bars. Everybody, both foreigners and Ukrainians, said to me there is no sex inside those. I went out with some Ukrainians and they always repeated they don't know massage salons and stripbars with sex service. Instead I had sex in a massage salon and I saw blowjobs are usually provided in some strip bars to Ukrainians, to Ukrainans only, and for the same price of a private dance.
There is something important more to add here but I haven't time to report about that.
I am sorry for my English. Anyway the discover is one only: here forumers are discussing about crazy prices and River Palace and other sex services but the truth is that we are talking about a business built just for foreigners and these crazy prices, River palace etc. Are just stupids things for stupid foreigners and this forum is, often but not always, a big shop window of some businessmen. I am sure some mongers have good information about cheap sex in Kiev but there is no convenience to share them with the world.
At least Acolonizer you have discovered the advantages of slavic style.
Yes Acolonizer. Because if you make all your contacts known, foreigners will spoil them. Basically the foreigners make a mistake slavic men do not do. They pay the girl before. Girls used to provide first and then get paid, for example you had sex with them and then they asked for presents, now they have learned that foreigners pay hoping and so can play game not providing since the payment is given beforehand. It was different. You will never experience the old good time. The basic is never get frightened. Think you are Acolonizer and your dick exceeds from Italy to Kiev. So there is no problem. Your dick is your advantage. This is the right thought frame.
How do you stop someone at random on the street and ask someone where a flat is that you don't know the number to? Do you say, hey, I was at this apartment near here some time last week. Can you tell me where it is?
You had the number of the apartment owner? But not the mobile phone number of the girl?
I've been out with Ukrainians and Russians in Kiev and have yet to experience a 'local preference' at salons and strip clubs.
Does the Sun rise in the west and set in the east when you are in Kiev too?
Lego Maniac
04-22-08, 05:24
I have not been to Kiev in 2 years but will be there for the last 2 weeks in May. I was hoping that someone would be kind enough to help me with the current pricing is for girls at RP. Any info on what the going rate is for a girl for the night will be greatly appreciated. I also have been reading the board and have not seen any information on any other good clubs to find beautiful working girls. Is there anywhere new worth mentioning?
I have not been to Kiev in 2 years but will be there for the last 2 weeks in May. I was hoping that someone would be kind enough to help me with the current pricing is for girls at RP. Any info on what the going rate is for a girl for the night will be greatly appreciated. I also have been reading the board and have not seen any information on any other good clubs to find beautiful working girls. Is there anywhere new worth mentioning?
Lego have you read the last 3 pages? its mentioned about eight times.
Bascially it far more expensive than 2 years ago, if you are not hard nosed and dont care if you go home alone!
AColonizer
04-22-08, 12:25
OK I am here and always ready to learn from everybody . . . can you explain which good words i need to say for getting a blowjob in a strip bar?
I've been out with Ukrainians and Russians in Kiev and have yet to experience a 'local preference' at salons and strip clubs.
Yeah Lego, what board have you been reading. All your questions are answered already.
River Palace, Arena, Decadence. $100-$500 depending on the girl, you and where you are.
Doctor_Skank
04-23-08, 08:37
You guys are giving them way too much credit. Their "technique" is usually just lazy and oafish and a product of growing up in an environment where men rule by default and women are a dime a dozen.
Actually, Slavic style is something like this:
"красота требует жертв! от 10 тысяч $ в месяц"
One of their biggest advantages is language. 90% of us can't communicate in Russian/Ukrainian. If you are speaking English you are either going to be with girls:
1) who like to speak English for practice or prestige (like students or young professionals or girls who hate life in Ukraine),
2) who actually like you for some inexplicable reason and speak English to accomodate you
3) who speak English because they know you are a foreigner they can fool and cheat and laugh about it later with their friends
You might get lucky and just meet girls in category 1 and 2... but if you are unlucky you are going to stumble across mostly girls in category 3. They are multiplying in Kiev at an alarming rate.
As for foreigners vs. locals in strip clubs, some locals have an advantage, some don't. I think one of the most significant advantages is the fact that many of us foreigners treat strippers as some sort of heavenly angel with a heart and soul, whereas the locals tend to treat them as pieces of meat, pets that do tricks or goods that are bought and sold. The truth is somewhere in between, but the guys treating the girls like a dog are going to get her to do more tricks than the guys just lapping up her charity time.
Just as often though, you'll be in a strip club without local politico high-rollers and just be there with some Vlad Normalno-type cheapskates and the girls will figure that out quickly and ignore them. Money talks... and it doesn't have to be much. Some local guys come to the club with just enough money for beer and nothing else. Drinking beer is fine, but having 10-20 grv here and there for the girls works wonders.
Besides the language, cultural attitude and money factors, some girls are just genuinely afraid of their local men. Nobody is afraid of foreigners. Fear is a significant motivational factor in the ho-ing business.
AColonizer
04-23-08, 10:24
Doctor Skank, all good you wrote, but my question remains: which words are necessary to get a blowjob without lies and delays.
So someone a few weeks back posted about a strip club "Rancho". I had a chance to check it out and it’s a bit outside the center but I feel worth the drive.
Entry is 80h and what you get is a mostly private (id imagine on the weekends it’s busy) strip show with 7 or 8 girls (1 fat one the rest where stripper HOT! ). The show itself is 1 hour and seems to be choreographed. They come up to you rub tits and ass in your face and allow you to touch and poke (or at least they did not say no to me). It is only topless but that’s ok. They also change into different outfits during the show.
At the end they bring you on stage and strip you naked and dance around you. Kinda an interesting twist! Then after that they line up and you select which one you want. I think it was $120 for 1 hour or $200 for all night (they go to your place).
The Rancho place itself is pretty nice. They have a restaurant, live bands (weekends only I think), saunas, and some other jazz.
Next time I’m feeling like a hoe or strip show I will definitely come here. Their English was not the greatest but then again your 25km outside the center.
Very nice girls. Telos approved! I’m going back tomorrow so I will report if anything interesting happens. If it’s just me and my friends in this room I’m going to take Crusier D’s patented ass slap to the next level and try the patented Telos whip the cock out of the pants (worked at Seamless in Las Vegas).
I look forward to checking it out the next time I'm in Kiev. I was going to go a few months ago but I got too busy. :)
I like the cowboy motif, I just love girls in hats.
Telos, what direction is Rancho in?
I have not even heard of it, need to go it sounds
Q
AColonizer
04-24-08, 10:00
Oh mamma mia, also Rancho: this is another attraction for tourists. Maybe I was unlucky but I wasted my money there. The manageress proposed 100$/hour but I didn't like any girl very much for that price. And then why to pay 100/120$ when you could get a good blowjob for 40$?
Telos, what direction is Rancho in?
I have not even heard of it, need to go it sounds.
QHere is a link to their website (I hope I'm allowed to post it):
http://www.rancho.kiev.ua/contact.shtml
Oh yeah they even have a hotel there. I'm going again tonight I will report if the first time was a fluke or if its as good as last time with the same quality girls.
Obuhiv Road, Pidgirtsy village
There is a ‘non-stop erotic show’, private shows and VIP-room in the strip club.
Striptease show: from 09:00 PM till 06:00 AM.
Website: http://www.rancho.kiev.ua/erotic-bar.shtml
Obuhiv Road, Pidgirtsy village
There is a ‘non-stop erotic show’, private shows and VIP-room in the strip club.
Striptease show: from 09:00 PM till 06:00 AM.
Website: http://www.rancho.kiev.ua/erotic-bar.shtml
To be exact NEW Obuhiv road just before partisan restraunt, I DONT BELIEVE I have passed this place so many times and did not know it was there, well I knew the western theamed place was but not a strip club also.
Now I have to pop in.........................
Sounds like there will be a lot of ISG'er making the pilgrimage, if it's as good as it sounds.
How's the food. :)
Sounds like there will be a lot of ISG'er making the pilgrimage, if it's as good as it sounds.
How's the food. :)
For food go up the road to Partisan its a great place and fun also! cant get a table at weekends during the summer ;)
Hey Doc, please check your PM.
Looking for help in Warsaw...
Doctor_Skank
04-26-08, 09:51
Hey Doc, please check your PM.
Looking for help in Warsaw...
Didnt get anything, I wouldnt be much of a help for Warsaw anyway... )
Actually, Slavic style is something like this:
"красота требует жертв! от 10 тысяч $ в месяц"
Skank, is this an advert by a Russian girl looking for sponsorship? Saying "Beauty demands victims, from $10K per month" sounds very arrogant (unless it's meant to be tongue in cheek).
Hi Guys,
I'll be in Kiev this coming week end - who'll be around?
I'm keen to try out somewhere a little off the beaten track on Saturday. Somewhere like Saxon or Kalinka Malinka, way out in the 'burbs. Any takers?
Sunday will be a trip to Shooters followed by RP, in true sexpat style. Or a strip club followed by RP. Or something completely different.. followed by RP.
Is Avalon/Azhure still good value? And what 'replaces' 112 now that it's closed for good?
Former 112 is open again, now called "Gienas Dance Club".
Also new at Mandarin Plaza: "Grotesque Club".
http://www.whatson-kiev.com/index.php?go=News&in=view&id=3916
Reverendfun
04-28-08, 20:02
Skank, is this an advert by a Russian girl looking for sponsorship? Saying "Beauty demands victims, from $10K per month" sounds very arrogant (unless it's meant to be tongue in cheek). Ok, not to split hairs here, but I think a better rendering would be: "Beauty demands sacrifice. " It is commonly mistranslated as "victims" because of its nationalistic usage. IE. "7 million people were sacrifices of the Soviet empire in the forced famine. " Which makes as much sense when used as: "7 million people were victims of the Soviet empire in the forced famine. " Again not to strain on a small point here, it’s just a thought. The real point is: DAMN I don’t care how fine you look or how good you are at sucking the stripes off a zebra. You are not worth 10k and anyone who pays that much is a schmuck.
On a personal note I have been here in Kyiv for a while know, trying to personally live out the gospel according to Monger. (hence the nickname)Well, actually I have to be here often for work, but in my free time. Well I try to spread the good news of my seed.
In my various times in Kyiv, I have been with roughly 40 or so girls, and I’ve never posted here or kept memoirs so some are lost by the wayside, and remain simply as vague recollections of coital bliss with a face in mind and no name to be grasped. But, that does not mean I am without reports. So for your consideration, here are a few noteworthy recallings.
I have used freebies, street girls, girlfriends, co-workers, agency girls, individualki, various websites, and yes. Even GIA. Let me say from the onset, that I rarely like paying more than $100, but will if I think it’s worth it, or I’m being an idiot.
First off the bat, is kievprivat.com, alternately kievdosug. Ru in Russian. I like this place simply because (and I know it’s hard to believe) all the pictures are real. As far as I know, the site popped up a few years ago and now seems to be a great resource for girls just coming into the city. I suggest, trolling the pages of this one. While you can arrange what price you want (65, 80, 100, 120, 150) it’s hit or miss (I always go with 80 or 100) I have gotten some excellent picks for $80, and at the same time have been shocked at send some dogs right back to the pound. I like this site because, for the most part, it will tell you what services they offer (although it says no, most can be convinced of BBBJ) and I really like to eat pussy.
With this site your best bet is to pick a few choices of girls you want and see who’s available and what prices (as it’s not listed on the site) I regularly pick the newbies. What can I say, I’m a sucker for a village girl. 2 of my faves were 18 and had been in Kyiv only a week, but there gone now (seems a lot of these girls only last a few weeks in the biz. Seems some just want to make a grip of cash before returning home). But I have been lucky as of late and found 2 great girls.
1 was Eva, she is 18 and hot. It was literally her first time on the job (so special). She had just done the photos that day, I refreshed the page and her profile appeared. Excellent! $100 for the hour (I’m not much of an all-nighter kind of guy, I like to have my fun and then be left alone) BBBJ and some passionate sex where apparently no had told her yet, that she was a ***** and shouldn’t like her job and be cold to her john. She really liked getting her pussy eaten, which was great for me because, as I said, I love to eat pussy. Like most newcomers, she was a talker, but that’s because she was nervous, and she was so cute when she asked to see her profile page on my computer. She was thankful they covered part of her face. (yeah, a lot of them do that here, but like I said many are young and just want to earn some cash, not be known as a prostitute) Great experience all around it was like being with a girlfriend the first time.
Also on there was Nika, she also had been in Kiev for only a few days. She is 21 $80 an hour. And was just super fun. Again, a nervous talker, because again a real newcomer. But, I find a few placed family photos (brothers, sister, friends, not wives and kids) help ease them and take the edge off the fact that they are starting a career fucking strangers and getting cum in their eyes. Same thing; a little chit chat, a smoke, show me the website. And then it was on. She FUCKING loves her job. It is well worth a few minutes to get to know them and make them feel comfortable, and your experience will be better. Great head (no BBBJ sadly), great tasting and tight pussy, awesome sex! One note: she can get loud when she’s liking it. All in All, a great girl. Good body small firm tits, and the best of all were her smile and eyes! Always smiling, and always looking with intense eyes, even during sex!
One other note about this site. It goes down intermittently. Don’t know why. .
There are very few P4P girls that I return to, as I like to be just another forgotten face, and have run into a few in social settings, once even on a Campus. Very Awkward, but sometimes worth the reward, as it has turned into some free play. Speaking of free play, I’ve been meeting with this girl named Sveta, that I met a few months ago. AMAZING! I met her when she was 17. And literally met her on her birthday for a fuck (hey. I may not fear Ukrainian law, but I do fear the US state department). We hook up every few weeks in between her boyfriends. She would date me, but I made it clear that I only want a good time, and that means sex. She is OK with it as, well, I am good at what I do. That, and I’m pretty good looking. I’m 30, single, have a bit of disposable income, and apparently in this culture my style makes me a bad-ass. (ha, take that childhood bullies).
I have a few more freebies, but they are far more infrequent, and I decided a while back that a girlfriend wasn’t worth it, as they only suck money, and after a while, not much else. (there have been some exceptions, but alas, they didn’t last. Besides I’m wary of freebies, because sometimes they end up costing so much more. So, I fuck chicks that only want to be fucked, and if they want more I set them straight or send them packing.
I don’t go to clubs much, I have never been to RP, and usually avoid garden-variety streetwalkers. I’ll admit that I like them young. But, hey I’m not 65. I usually go for 18-25. I’m not a big, downtown kinda guy. Or at least not the touristy downtown. I meet women on the street, in the store, at university (yeah, I even sometimes have legitimate reasons to be there). Never on the metro. Except once when I rescued a gal from a few punk-asses that were disturbing here (I am 6’4", broad, and sometimes one hell-of-a-scary-mother-fucker. When I want to be) That was a grateful fuck. Mmmmm.
I try to go to more local restaurants and what not, and the best thing I ever did was learn Russian. I once saw a girl’s boyfriend *****-slap her down in Troeshina, and leave her. I offered to get her a cab, and she asked to stay with me. Great night, she nearly jumped me when we got in the door. She calls every couple of months.
As far as the general nature of things go, I’ll say this, act like a tourist and you’lled get screwed, not in a good way. Venture out, and remember, like most things in life, act like you’re "supposed" to be there, not like a dick who "owns the place" or like a phony trying to be cool, but act like you’re supposed to be there and you know what you’re doing. And you pretty much won’t have problems. I spent a Summer on the East Coast of the US, and I washed peoples boats. Some had them docked behind their house, I f you knocked and asked permission to go back they eyed you the whole time, but if you simply unlatch the gate walk back around and work, nobody gave a shit. Just a thought.
Well, this has already gone seriously long, but one more thing before I go for today. To get it out of the way: GIA
Alright, I will admit I have used GIA 5 times. I know shame on me. But with the exception of a girl named Nika (who is a royal greedy **** and should be taken to the pasture. Ha ha wasn’t supposed to cum there was I, well that’s what you get for assuming I didn’t want more before your time was up, and hey you were already dressed, and my only other option was to soil your pretty little clothes) they were all pretty good. Yes, some of their women look scary even in the pics, but the quality of service was astounding. And besides, they were the first place I ever called.
My first was with Ruslana (who quit like 2 weeks later) Simply wonderful. Great Fuck! Great BBBJ +CIM! Seriously, she sucked me off, and sucked me up, and threw on a condom and fucked me, I came, she pulled off the condom, and immediately sucked me off again! The cycle just continued. My balls hurt for like 3 days.
Yana. Who has been reviewed here before. Studying to be a lawyer. Boy, she could make me cum! Enough said. Too bad she’s gone too!
Zhanna. I’ll admit, I’ve been to her twice. It was intense. I will say this flat out: BEST HEAD EVER! She swallows every load and even wants you to sometimes pull out so you can cum in her mouth! Serious slit! God I love her!
Alright that’s all for now. I may need to go out trolling tonight! Peace!
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Thanks Delgado.
How would you rate Kiev's main elitny clubs, which I suppose at the moment are Tsar, Barsky and now Grotesque? Decadence is officially passe, right? :)
And, are you around this w/e?
Doctor_Skank
04-28-08, 23:51
Skank, is this an advert by a Russian girl looking for sponsorship? Saying "Beauty demands victims, from $10K per month" sounds very arrogant (unless it's meant to be tongue in cheek).
It's an advert by a Slavic guy looking for a girl. Again, I really don't buy into the whole Slavic guys showing girls who is boss theory. Doesn't really correspond to what I've seen and heard. It's up to us to be boss, let's have some fighting spirit!.. )
Ash, my last visit to Kiev was in november, but I hope to be there again in may, I´ll check all new clubs and report :-)
Reverendfun
04-29-08, 01:11
Ok, not to split hairs here, but I think a better rendering would be: "Beauty demands sacrifice. " It is commonly mistranslated as "victims" because of its nationalistic usage. IE. "7 million people were sacrifices of the Soviet empire in the forced famine. " Which makes as much sense when used as: "7 million people were victims of the Soviet empire in the forced famine. " Again not to strain on a small point here, it’s just a thought. The real point is: DAMN I don’t care how fine you look or how good you are at sucking the stripes off a zebra. You are not worth 10k and anyone who pays that much is a schmuck.
On a personal note I have been here in Kyiv for a while know, trying to personally live out the gospel according to Monger. (hence the nickname)Well, actually I have to be here often for work, but in my free time. Well I try to spread the good news of my seed.
In my various times in Kyiv, I have been with roughly 40 or so girls, and I’ve never posted here or kept memoirs so some are lost by the wayside, and remain simply as vague recollections of coital bliss with a face in mind and no name to be grasped. But, that does not mean I am without reports. So for your consideration, here are a few noteworthy recallings.
I have used freebies, street girls, girlfriends, co-workers, agency girls, individualki, various websites, and yes. Even GIA. Let me say from the onset, that I rarely like paying more than $100, but will if I think it’s worth it, or I’m being an idiot.
First off the bat, is kievprivat.com, alternately kievdosug. Ru in Russian. I like this place simply because (and I know it’s hard to believe) all the pictures are real. As far as I know, the site popped up a few years ago and now seems to be a great resource for girls just coming into the city. I suggest, trolling the pages of this one. While you can arrange what price you want (65, 80, 100, 120, 150) it’s hit or miss (I always go with 80 or 100) I have gotten some excellent picks for $80, and at the same time have been shocked at send some dogs right back to the pound. I like this site because, for the most part, it will tell you what services they offer (although it says no, most can be convinced of BBBJ) and I really like to eat pussy.
With this site your best bet is to pick a few choices of girls you want and see who’s available and what prices (as it’s not listed on the site) I regularly pick the newbies. What can I say, I’m a sucker for a village girl. 2 of my faves were 18 and had been in Kyiv only a week, but there gone now (seems a lot of these girls only last a few weeks in the biz. Seems some just want to make a grip of cash before returning home). But I have been lucky as of late and found 2 great girls.
1 was Eva, she is 18 and hot. It was literally her first time on the job (so special). She had just done the photos that day, I refreshed the page and her profile appeared. Excellent! $100 for the hour (I’m not much of an all-nighter kind of guy, I like to have my fun and then be left alone) BBBJ and some passionate sex where apparently no had told her yet, that she was a ***** and shouldn’t like her job and be cold to her john. She really liked getting her pussy eaten, which was great for me because, as I said, I love to eat pussy. Like most newcomers, she was a talker, but that’s because she was nervous, and she was so cute when she asked to see her profile page on my computer. She was thankful they covered part of her face. (yeah, a lot of them do that here, but like I said many are young and just want to earn some cash, not be known as a prostitute) Great experience all around it was like being with a girlfriend the first time.
Also on there was Nika, she also had been in Kiev for only a few days. She is 21 $80 an hour. And was just super fun. Again, a nervous talker, because again a real newcomer. But, I find a few placed family photos (brothers, sister, friends, not wives and kids) help ease them and take the edge off the fact that they are starting a career fucking strangers and getting cum in their eyes. Same thing; a little chit chat, a smoke, show me the website. And then it was on. She FUCKING loves her job. It is well worth a few minutes to get to know them and make them feel comfortable, and your experience will be better. Great head (no BBBJ sadly), great tasting and tight pussy, awesome sex! One note: she can get loud when she’s liking it. All in All, a great girl. Good body small firm tits, and the best of all were her smile and eyes! Always smiling, and always looking with intense eyes, even during sex!
One other note about this site. It goes down intermittently. Don’t know why. .
There are very few P4P girls that I return to, as I like to be just another forgotten face, and have run into a few in social settings, once even on a Campus. Very Awkward, but sometimes worth the reward, as it has turned into some free play. Speaking of free play, I’ve been meeting with this girl named Sveta, that I met a few months ago. AMAZING! I met her when she was 17. And literally met her on her birthday for a fuck (hey. I may not fear Ukrainian law, but I do fear the US state department). We hook up every few weeks in between her boyfriends. She would date me, but I made it clear that I only want a good time, and that means sex. She is OK with it as, well, I am good at what I do. That, and I’m pretty good looking. I’m 30, single, have a bit of disposable income, and apparently in this culture my style makes me a bad-ass. (ha, take that childhood bullies).
I have a few more freebies, but they are far more infrequent, and I decided a while back that a girlfriend wasn’t worth it, as they only suck money, and after a while, not much else. (there have been some exceptions, but alas, they didn’t last. Besides I’m wary of freebies, because sometimes they end up costing so much more. So, I fuck chicks that only want to be fucked, and if they want more I set them straight or send them packing.
I don’t go to clubs much, I have never been to RP, and usually avoid garden-variety streetwalkers. I’ll admit that I like them young. But, hey I’m not 65. I usually go for 18-25. I’m not a big, downtown kinda guy. Or at least not the touristy downtown. I meet women on the street, in the store, at university (yeah, I even sometimes have legitimate reasons to be there). Never on the metro. Except once when I rescued a gal from a few punk-asses that were disturbing here (I am 6’4", broad, and sometimes one hell-of-a-scary-ass-mother-fucker. When I want to be) That was a grateful fuck. Mmmmm.
I try to go to more local restaurants and what not, and the best thing I ever did was learn Russian. I once saw a girl’s boyfriend *****-slap her down in Troeshina, and leave her. I offered to get her a cab, and she asked to stay with me. Great night, she nearly jumped me when we got in the door. She calls every couple of months.
As far as the general nature of things go, I’ll say this, act like a tourist and you’lled get screwed, not in a good way. Venture out, and remember, like most things in life, act like you’re "supposed" to be there, not like a dick who "owns the place" or like a phony trying to be cool, but act like you’re supposed to be there and you know what you’re doing. And you pretty much won’t have problems. I spent a Summer on the East Coast of the US, and I washed peoples boats. Some had them docked behind their house, I f you knocked and asked permission to go back they eyed you the whole time, but if you simply unlatch the gate walk back around and work, nobody gave a shit. Just a thought.
Well, this has already gone seriously long, but one more thing before I go for today. To get it out of the way: GIA
Alright, I will admit I have used GIA 5 times. I know shame on me. But with the exception of a girl named Nika (who is a royal greedy **** and should be taken to the pasture. Ha ha wasn’t supposed to cum there was I, well that’s what you get for assuming I didn’t want more before your time was up, and hey you were already dressed, and my only other option was to soil your pretty little clothes) they were all pretty good. Yes, some of their women look scary even in the pics, but the quality of service was astounding. And besides, they were the first place I ever called.
My first was with Ruslana (who quit like 2 weeks later) Simply wonderful. Great Fuck! Great BBBJ +CIM! Seriously, she sucked me off, and sucked me up, and threw on a condom and fucked me, I came, she pulled off the condom, and immediately sucked me off again! The cycle just continued. My balls hurt for like 3 days.
Yana. Who has been reviewed here before. Studying to be a lawyer. Boy, she could make me cum! Enough said. Too bad she’s gone too!
Zhanna. I’ll admit, I’ve been to her twice. It was intense. I will say this flat out: BEST HEAD EVER! She swallows every load and even wants you to sometimes pull out so you can cum in her mouth! Serious ****! God I love her!
Alright that’s all for now. Peace!
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Doctor_Skank
04-29-08, 17:29
Ok, not to split hairs here, but I think a better rendering would be: "Beauty demands sacrifice. " It is commonly mistranslated as "victims" because of its nationalistic usage. IE. "7 million people were sacrifices of the Soviet empire in the forced famine. " Which makes as much sense when used as: "7 million people were victims of the Soviet empire in the forced famine. " Again not to strain on a small point here, it’s just a thought. The real point is: DAMN I don’t care how fine you look or how good you are at sucking the stripes off a zebra. You are not worth 10k and anyone who pays that much is a schmuck.
Great report!
Still not to split hairs, I interpreted it as "Beauty demands victims, from $10,000 a month" . For example, if there is a car or plane crash, there are "жертвы". They certainly aren't sacrifices.... ))
Either way, the guy has too much money and likes to throw it away. I am not a native speaker though, so I can't 100% say what he meant by it.
In my various times in Kyiv, I have been with roughly 40 or so girls, and I’ve never posted here or kept memoirs so some are lost by the wayside, and remain simply as vague recollections of coital bliss with a face in mind and no name to be grasped. But, that does not mean I am without reports. So for your consideration, here are a few noteworthy recallings.
I suggest you do, it's added value! You'll appreciate it later when you get older... )))
Sasha Byelov
04-29-08, 18:12
Always a good bet in Kiev is "Talgen", a pub with the small strip bar "Marylin" downstairs.
Krasno(or in Ukrainian "Cervono")Armeyskaya Str. 32A
Luda, the long time, always same loking admin gives you a smile. The girls don't look like on www.kiev-x.com, but have great performance. Drinks are moderate and no rip-off. You must negotiate where you can take them to and how many bucks for. She may even say no. Russian speaking only. Silicone sometimes available.
And of course for the big boys there is "RIO". River Palace currently sucks, but may always change. Prices start from$500/night, negotiate as low as 200.
AColonizer
04-29-08, 18:22
This is an important question: what is the slang Russian word standing for "swallow blowjob"?
Blowjob to completion doesn't mean anything because CIM is not swallow blowjob. I want a genuine, complete, funny swallow blowjob. I am bored to hear stories like that "just CBJ or BBBJ or CIM, but gorgeous!" If a blowjob is not a swallow blowjob, that is not a blowjob!
I am the founder of the party for the democracy of swallow blowjobs.
Reverendfun
04-29-08, 22:08
"заглотать сперму" - means to swallow sperm.
It's direct. No slang needed.
New to the forum and just wanted to say I have been a fairly consistant user of GIA and the girls are good the photos real and the prices compared to the rest of the world reasonable.
Hi all,
Looking for streetgirls in Kiev.
I prefer the chase of it, when the girls realise what you are after it then comes to see who is best looking at the right price.
There are some gems out there i would prefer to pay $50 for some streetgirl than $200 for some hyped up bimbo.
Any help much appreciated
Crompton.
AColonizer
04-30-08, 20:01
"заглотать минет" stands for swallow blowjob?
I can't say "oh my girl, you are good at a "глубоко минет и заглотать сперму" because, of course, she will look at me and will reply "нет" to my silly Russian. I need something more strong and short, like a shot of vodka . . .
"заглотать сперму" - means to swallow sperm.
It's direct. No slang needed.
Sasha Byelov
04-30-08, 20:29
Gents, It's not really needed to speak good Russian. Speak the couple of words you need for sex (like shachtyor for anal, etc.), and make your body and gestics work. And understand how these chicks in Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan, etc. think. MUCH more important.
I tried dozens or more like that, and for a two hour or one night stand that even better than speaking russian.
What do you want - make sex or start family talks :)
Of course your company must pay for LOTS of trips so that you can "deepen" your experience. But if it is a Dyelovaya Komandirovka, who cares :)
One note about street girls: uuuaaahh. I propose metal condoms, very infected (like in Primorskaya Str. in Odessa).
What's cheaper, a fair price for a chick or HIV treatment?
Gentleman Travel
05-01-08, 14:39
Hey Colon, your posts are all talk about "prostitutes" and various things you would like them to do for you, in more detail than any of us would like to hear. If you have real-world adventures and information, by all means share them. But if you are only getting off by talking dirty, there are phone-sex services that would be more appropriate for indulging your fantasies.
This is an important question: what is the slang Russian word standing for "swallow blowjob"?
Blowjob to completion doesn't mean anything because CIM is not swallow blowjob. I want a genuine, complete, funny swallow blowjob. I am bored to hear stories like that "just CBJ or BBBJ or CIM, but gorgeous!" If a blowjob is not a swallow blowjob, that is not a blowjob!
I am the founder of the party for the democracy of swallow blowjobs.
AColonizer
05-01-08, 15:48
I have already posted some personal stories and some meeting reports. I have already replied to some private messages asking for detailed information. I am sure I have done a good work. And I am more sure about my work when I compare my work with titled services, places and people, or better what they are in real life because they are often different from their reports here.
I am curious and therefore I want to understand what is the truth. The truth is often very different from personal opinions.
For example, talking about mongering for girls, I never found a honest girl. The truth is: call them prostitutes, friends, lovers or wives, they are always big liers because they are biological female. This is a "dirty" game between males and females and we need everything to win our battle. When we use too many words, our language is not understood. Therefore we need to say few and strong words to be understood. And my question was very easy: as we say "swallow blowjob" in English, so it must exist a Russian idiom " . . . минет"!
Instead, people blah blah blah and this very easy question hasn't been replied yet.
If you wish to be a Gentleman (Travel), please move to Vatican City ;-)
Hey Colon, your posts are all talk about "prostitutes" and various things you would like them to do for you, in more detail than any of us would like to hear. If you have real-world adventures and information, by all means share them. But if you are only getting off by talking dirty, there are phone-sex services that would be more appropriate for indulging your fantasies.
AColonizer
05-01-08, 16:06
Good advice, thank you. You forgot some things:
1 - expressions like "shachtyor" are hard to know. In fact I haven't found any expression standing for "swallow blowjob", yet: can you help me?
2 - When I find a beautiful and smart girl (for me), I make everything to keep that girl. So it is hard for me to apply the Russian style "fuck her hard and throw her away";
3 - I have no company paying for my journeys and I am not the secret Bush's son and therefore my stays in Kiev must be very intense;
4 - I don't know about street workers in Kiev, but, in my deep experience, I found the best and cheaper services with Ukrainian street workers in Italy. The problem in Italy is that Ukrainian street workers are very few and Italian prostitution market is hard managed by criminal organizations: maybe there is more Russian Mafia in Mestre/Venice than in Kiev!
Gents, It's not really needed to speak good Russian. Speak the couple of words you need for sex (like shachtyor for anal, etc.), and make your body and gestics work. And understand how these chicks in Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan, etc. think. MUCH more important.
I tried dozens or more like that, and for a two hour or one night stand that even better than speaking russian.
What do you want - make sex or start family talks :)
Of course your company must pay for LOTS of trips so that you can "deepen" your experience. But if it is a Dyelovaya Komandirovka, who cares :)
One note about street girls: uuuaaahh. I propose metal condoms, very infected (like in Primorskaya Str. in Odessa).
What's cheaper, a fair price for a chick or HIV treatment?
Good advice, thank you. You forgot some things:
1 - expressions like "shachtyor" are hard to know. In fact I haven't found any expression standing for "swallow blowjob", yet: can you help me?
2 - When I find a beautiful and smart girl (for me), I make everything to keep that girl. So it is hard for me to apply the Russian style "fuck her hard and throw her away";
3 - I have no company paying for my journeys and I am not the secret Bush's son and therefore my stays in Kiev must be very intense;
4 - I don't know about street workers in Kiev, but, in my deep experience, I found the best and cheaper services with Ukrainian street workers in Italy. The problem in Italy is that Ukrainian street workers are very few and Italian prostitution market is hard managed by criminal organizations: maybe there is more Russian Mafia in Mestre/Venice than in Kiev!1. Buy at least one good pocket dictionary(like oxford) and when at home scan internet news or personals in russian and try to translate them with dictionary.It is a bit time consuming but t is worth the effort.You will see the other side of the hill.
2. It is wrong to make everything to keep the girl.What are you talking about?The girl should do everything possible to keep you.Remember this is a country where the game is run by girls,not by boys.
3. Right.Most do not have a financial supporter for their expenses(unless they are *****s to sb else).Time is extrmeley important.You have to kill time.Time and duration are the worst things,every hour you stay in Kiev you have to pay for it,it has a cost,so the less time needed the better.
4. Yes in the West there is more control on these things.This is the wild East.The promise land.
Good advice, thank you. You forgot some things:
1 - expressions like "shachtyor" are hard to know. In fact I haven't found any expression standing for "swallow blowjob", yet: can you help me?
2 - When I find a beautiful and smart girl (for me), I make everything to keep that girl. So it is hard for me to apply the Russian style "fuck her hard and throw her away";
3 - I have no company paying for my journeys and I am not the secret Bush's son and therefore my stays in Kiev must be very intense;
4 - I don't know about street workers in Kiev, but, in my deep experience, I found the best and cheaper services with Ukrainian street workers in Italy. The problem in Italy is that Ukrainian street workers are very few and Italian prostitution market is hard managed by criminal organizations: maybe there is more Russian Mafia in Mestre/Venice than in Kiev!As for expressions for swallowing, I would ask: Mozno progladit or mozno pit spermu or moges progladit or lubis progladit spermu or lubis pit spermu or xatsiu ty progladis mayou spermu. Mozno? Or pijes spermu? To delayes?
There are many ways to ask the same thing, it depends on the girl.
Reverendfun
05-02-08, 11:32
заглотай - is direct enough... it simply is the command form of "Swallow".
so say: заглотай сперму Сука! - swallow *****!
девушка, ты хорошо заглотала! - you swallowed good!
ты заглотающая девушка? - do you swallow?
Are there any good massage parlors and strip clubs in Kiev? Is there a lot of big breasted women in Kiev? I guess Kiev has various types of women who cater to all needs.
Any info on Kiev Street walkers ?
You can find some after 23:00hr when you drive from Kiev to Zhytomir. About 5 km out of Kiev. Also you can find some when your drive from Kiev to the village "Ukrainka". Just outside Kiev toge.
Never tried any of them and I never would.
Happy hunting.
The roadway next to the park just past Victory Square. Saw them there last winter.
The roadway over the Dniper bridge next to River Palace, go to the left bank, they are on the side with the McD. Saw some there two winters ago
In years past on Schevenko Blvd at the top of the hill.
My info is obviously outdated but I think the Victory Square and Left Bank locations are still active.
From what I understand quite a few girl around Mandarin Plaza and Khreshatic are also open to p4p but not obvious about it.
AColonizer
05-13-08, 12:28
Useful report, Cruiser D (is your name Bob? )
I know a lot of prostitutes have "working" flats in Pobedi Prospekt and in Pechersk area. Therefore I make 1 + 1: is this the "working" process? Prostitutes usually walk on roads during the day and they meet customers on roads to work in customers' cars. When customers want something more, prostitutes take them in "working" flats or in customers' flats? What do you think? Is this a full-time prostitute's typical "working" day?
Moreover I see in www.flirt.com.ua, prostitutes' profiles are not always managed by themselves but they are often managed by other people, maybe their girlfriends or boyfriends or mamashkas. Everything makes to think prostitution is a very organized industry. What do you think?
The girls on the street are in no way the same as the ones in the apartments (not the ones I have seen on the street anyway)
Organized? really? you think so? I always thought they where all independent ;)
If you are drunk enough, it is sort of fun to have a cab from rp take you to the place on the hill, pick up a girl, and have the poletzei stop you, brandish weapons while you stupidly laugh, get robbed in a minor way, and sort of think it is an enriching cultural exchange, of course it helps one's perspective if you have been in the military and are dumb, like your faithful correspondent.
I'm just giving you the information based on what I have observed. Most of it is outdated but I would guess there are still strolls past RP on the Left Bank and past Victory Square. There also seems to be quite a few girls open to p4p in the Mandarin Plaza and Khreshatic area, mostly during warm weather. The gambit runs from club girls, student girls, single mothers and drug users. Quality varies to say the least.
Most of the street walkers are free lancers and have nothing to do with the salon girls. It's just to earn some quick money - new outfit, food, rent, pay for grades, drugs, whatever.
Anybody stay at Slavutych Hotel?
Just back from a long night of entertainment. After spending far too much time and Coronas at Rio, we drifted off to RP for a change of scenery. Rio admission tickets are no longer accepted at any table except poker, so plopping down your stub on the way out on Black at the Roulette table and possibly getting back your entire bar tab is now over, at least according to the sleepy bint working the table.
Uh-oh, the World Bank has some sort of event going on, and there is not a single hotel or apartment available in town at any price, but thankfully Agent L had a place (Cruiser knows who). I figured this influx of Euro-flush visitors would cause the already outrageous opening offers to go even higher into the atmosphere.
In the main club room at RP, the scene was sausage-fest. Another red flag. Ratio looked to be 1:1, very bad for RP.
So we have time, not having to worry about the clock on a Saturday night, and we decide to take one for the team and hold prices down. $200 is the limit, no exceptions.
Agent L works the sweaty crowd for a double date and makes clear what the compensation will be. Some refusals and some "we'll get back to you". So we wait. Agent L wants to raise the bar to $300, and I refuse. Let's see if the tortoise will win the race. Nothing to lose.
By 3am, the sausage concentration diminishes significantly. Now it is a Mexican Standoff. The tarts begin assessing the situation, clock is ticking, eyes darting in concern, while the two sides all over the room try to decide what to do. The Ukrainian concept of going home empty rather than budge at all downward on price is starting to be severely tested. You can see it in the eyes.
Finally one nice young lady makes her move, coming down from 300 to 200 immediately, and off we go.
Final damage: $200 + 100 Grivnas for taxi as a final concession. So there is a data point for you.
AColonizer
05-18-08, 15:14
Congratulations! Just one more question: 200$ in two (girl + you) or 200$ in three (girl + you + your friend)?
( . . . ) Final damage: $200 + 100 Grivnas for taxi as a final concession. So there is a data point for you.
Were they initially asking for $300 for the night at midnight? That may actually be better value for money than $200 for the night starting at 3am
AColonizer
05-18-08, 22:14
I don't think so because I am sure they asked for an overnight price and this means at least 8 hours, this doesn't mind if starting from midnight or if starting from 3 am: for example from 3 am + 8 hours + 15 min. Taxi = 11. 15 am
My question is just a curious question, to calculate the probability about a girl is a good professional (same price for one, two or three men) or unworthy piece of meat.
Were they initially asking for $300 for the night at midnight? That may actually be better value for money than $200 for the night starting at 3am
Bez Bezarra
05-19-08, 02:36
Its fun to brandish weapons while you stupidly laugh, like your faithful correspondent.
Nice that you re-appeared here after a year.
By the way, on your 6 trips to Ukraine, have you any stupid fotos of the Kiev/kharkov dolls you met?
Like this doll from Candyland, Sveta.
It was $200 for just me and the girl. No way I'm double-teaming. He can find his own.
For me, all-night versus short time is the same. I don't want them lingering around for hours. That's just me.
Hello,
I was planning to visit kiev for the first time on Wednesday 21st for 5 days, but it seems there are no quality apartments left, a conference in the city. Only a single apt around Purshkinakaya street. Should I cancel my trip? Does the quality of Apt effect if you meet a girl and bring her back?
Advice needed please.
Thank you in advance
LifeSavour
05-21-08, 03:42
Hello,
I was planning to visit kiev for the first time on Wednesday 21st for 5 days, but it seems there are no quality apartments left, a conference in the city. Only a single apt around Purshkinakaya street. Should I cancel my trip? Does the quality of Apt effect if you meet a girl and bring her back?
Advice needed please.
Thank you in advanceFrom the main ' K ' street. OK area!
I really don't think where makes so much of a differnce in SCORING!
AColonizer
05-21-08, 12:07
For Namster and many others.
When you hunt a freebie, a good woman shouldn't mind to your money, your car and your house. Otherwise she is a b**** pretending a good woman.
When you hunt a prostitute, prostitutes fuck everybody, everywhere, everyway. Prostitutes can swallow sperm, smiling, from the dirtiest and unhealthy and drug-addicted man in the world and in the meanwhile prostitutes can fuck with condom, blaming, the cleanest and healthy and sweet man in the world. Prostitutes are not regular people. I know very well what prostitutes are and this is an unbelievable thing. If you think prostitutes are like regular women, it is better for your life not to start mongering.
For Namster and many others.
When you hunt a freebie, a good woman shouldn't mind to your money, your car and your house. Otherwise she is a b**** pretending a good woman.
When you hunt a prostitute, prostitutes fuck everybody, everywhere, everyway. Prostitutes can swallow sperm, smiling, from the dirtiest and unhealthy and drug-addicted man in the world and in the meanwhile prostitutes can fuck with condom, blaming, the cleanest and healthy and sweet man in the world. Prostitutes are not regular people. I know very well what prostitutes are and this is an unbelievable thing. If you think prostitutes are like regular women, it is better for your life not to start mongering.Every woman is a prostitute and a good woman at the same time.There is no reason to make distinction between pros and good women.The point is if you want to release the pro from the good woman or the good woman from the pro.
Let's say like you divide men in pigs and nice men.Hey AC,where do you belong?
Thanks for the sentiment, I have never taken a photo, sorry.
May come back and a few weeks.
AColonizer
05-22-08, 10:49
This is a very hard matter because now we are not talking about sex, but we are talking about the essence of human being.
First of all, if you say that same opinion in a "regular" audience, you are sure people think you are a perverted mad.
Second, I partially agree with you. I really saw what human being can make, not everything but the top of iceberg, and I am very disgusted for all my life. OK, all men are pigs too and all women are b**** too.
What is the difference between good and bad? The "limit": when a human being put a limit in his extreme points, then that human being is good, otherwise not. I know this is hard to understand for an anglosaxon background and here is an example: when three husbands (and fathers of family) have no scruples to join for a (multiple) fisting session with a young girl like their daugthers, I am sure those same husbands have no scruples to have the same things with a child.
At last, yes, I am a sweet man!
Every woman is a prostitute and a good woman at the same time.There is no reason to make distinction between pros and good women.The point is if you want to release the pro from the good woman or the good woman from the pro.
Let's say like you divide men in pigs and nice men.Hey AC,where do you belong?
Hello,
I am in Kiev now and its very Hot I am trying the street game on Kreschatyk but as yet I have not succeded, got a few studentka numbers at papita so lets see if anything happens after dark. Any fellow members out there to provide help with the day game?
Cheers
AColonizer
05-24-08, 00:15
I am a bit worried. Ukrainian and Russian women, of my same age, sometimes write to me by Flirt site. The problem is they seem old like my mother. Orchids at 18 and W. C. At middle 30s.
Full report to follow later, but i have to admit the Local Studentkas are very wary now of Foreigners. Even if you speak passable or basic Russian. This is not easy.
Gents, Rio takeout is now 1250 hryvnas for the hour (or 2 if she likes you). Private lap dances are now 200hrv (up from 150).
Beers continue to be fairly reasonable at 20hrv per bottle for Corona or Heineken.
USD exchange rate is on a wild roller coaster. 4.5 one day, 5.1 the next.
FYI.
Gents, Rio takeout is now 1250 hryvnas for the hour (or 2 if she likes you). Private lap dances are now 200hrv (up from 150).
Beers continue to be fairly reasonable at 20hrv per bottle for Corona or Heineken.
USD exchange rate is on a wild roller coaster. 4.5 one day, 5.1 the next.
FYI.Best I have seen lately is 4.72 (today).
Where have you seen 5.1?
Best I have seen lately is 4.72 (today).
Where have you seen 5.1?
A bank up Bodhana jumped up on Saturday.
A bank up Bodhana jumped up on Saturday.Bull shit, the past 8 weeks or so the monkey shit dollar has been below 5. , towards the end of April it was starting to make a comeback; somewhat, closing in on 4. 99, about two weeks ago yulia (the face of anticorruption) tymoshenko revalued the hryvnya, making it stonger against all majors, the dollar fell to 4. 40, and has raised; a little, since then, the best rate you'll find is most likely at? , which today was at 4. 70.
Last week the dollar was re-pegged from 5. 05 to 4. 85, this was done by yulia's request. The reason this is happening is because inflation is at 30 percent, due to her fucked up polices. She did this same crap in April "05 and yushchenko fired her ass, which is basically the only smart moved he's made since he's been in office. He brought her back last December and she's pulling the same sit.
Bull shit, the past 8 weeks or so the monkey shit dollar has been below 5. , towards the end of April it was starting to make a comeback; somewhat, closing in on 4. 99, about two weeks ago yulia (the face of anticorruption) tymoshenko revalued the hryvnya, making it stonger against all majors, the dollar fell to 4. 40, and has raised; a little, since then, the best rate you'll find is most likely at? , which today was at 4. 70.
Last week the dollar was re-pegged from 5. 05 to 4. 85, this was done by yulia's request. The reason this is happening is because inflation is at 30 percent, due to her fucked up polices. She did this same crap in April "05 and yushchenko fired her ass, which is basically the only smart moved he's made since he's been in office. He brought her back last December and she's pulling the same sit.Probably some Ukrainians make a lot of money by selling dollars and buying them again when Timoshenko proceeds to reevaluation. Of course the latter knows as well when this is going to happen.
Went to Prime club last night.
Hands down the hottest girls I have seen in a Kiev nightclub in this place.
Music was not up my alley but the talent was unreal. I guess Fridays is this drum and bass shit and saturdays is R&B which is much more standable.
80h entry. its near the bus station.
I will be back there soon.
Saxon is also a great student club. Only 30h entry but its kinda far.
The Ukrainian rates was/is tied to the dollar. Since W is doing a much better job fucking up the US econmy then Yulia is with Ukraine she's trying to make some adjustment. Of course if friends/family profit from insider trading all the better - that is after all the slavic way. :)
Yulia is a thief and probably not worthy to hold the position she has but she's way ahead of the other cast of characters in that country. Yulia's still trying to get people back their money from when the banks failed. Saying inflation in Ukraine is her fault is like W saying there is nothing he can do about the price of oil - if he were only president of the US, oh wait...
Be nice to Brandon - he is/was in Kyiv and I know he can read. Maybe he mistaked the buying/selling rate?
Telos, where is the bus station? :)
DJ FourMoney
06-01-08, 09:17
Went to Prime club last night.
Hands down the hottest girls I have seen in a Kiev nightclub in this place.
Music was not up my alley but the talent was unreal. I guess Fridays is this drum and bass shit and saturdays is R&B which is much more standable.
80h entry. its near the bus station.
I will be back there soon.
Saxon is also a great student club. Only 30h entry but its kinda far.
PM me! I wanna know how long your going to be in Kiev, I plan on taking some time off at the end of summer when the prices go down again.
Hello,
I am in Kiev.
Anybody around to meet up?
Telos, what sort of attitude do the girls at Prime have? Friendly and approachable, or stuck up? I'm wondering how long it will take for it to degenerate into another Decadence..
Hello,
I am in Kiev. Is anybody around to meet up?
Telos, what sort of attitude do the girls at Prime have? Friendly and approachable, or stuck up? I'm wondering how long it will take for it to degenerate into another Decadence..They where not bad. We where the only foreigners in there that I saw so thats always a plus. It was more a student club like Saxon.
Worth checking out IMO. I'll be back a few more times for sure.
AColonizer
06-07-08, 22:58
Here I am in Kiev again. And again I see the same situations and, at last, I realize these situations are the average here in Kiev and in the world.
First of all, I am a little bored about forumers that want to meet another forumer in Ukraine and, then, they never do anything to meet him. Or about beginners that want everything ready to use.
Then, there are some situations:
- When a man has found a woman for a lasting relationship. For this man, his lover is the best woman in the world. But this woman is not nice (or better, she is ugly indeed) and this man is secretly interested in other women (or better, prostitutes). For me, this situation has no meaning because for all my life, I am looking for just one nice and smart woman and one woman is enough for me and I don't mind if she is a regular woman or a prostitute. Instead, the average is to find two women, one official lover just for children and one unofficial lover just for sex. And, at the end, there is no real lovers, no men, no women.
- I am a little bored with master mongers because massage salons and strip bars are often soft brothels. I saw in a strip bar, Ukrainians getting real blowjobs (for who knows what is a real blowjob) and I saw in a massage salon, Ukrainians getting real blowjobs. I can't imagine how hard salons and bars were in the past. And I am sure this is the average in all massage salons and in all strip bars, real blowjobs for Ukrainians, who are not stupid and they never pay for an erotical massage or a private dance. Why has no forumer reported this? Why do most people talk about expensive prostitutes?
- In my experience with freebies, maybe small maybe unlucky, they are time-wasting and money-wasting and, at the end, freebies are as honest as prostitutes.
- I have found two kinds of Italians, the Italian businessman and the other Italians. The Italian businessman usually cheats Italians when he sells his products to them, therefore it is better never to say to be Italian. The other Italians are used to be too good-mannered men. In the past, Italians are famous to be latin lovers, instead now they are so too good-mannered that they have become "pirla" lovers, this means "silly" lovers in Italian slang.
- I have found Americans (from U.S.A.) in flights and around Kiev. They are usually excited people. They put themselves in the center of the show and, in their opinions, everything, that they do, is fantastic. Of course, they are often wrong. Engaged Americans are very jealous with their Ukrainian women. This is a mutual business in these relationships between Americans and Ukrainians. Americans know to be richest but requiring females and Ukrainians know to be the nicest but requiring wealth. Until dollar is important and visa for U.S.A. assures wealth, this is a big business for both and they both are aware this is just a business.
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SpanishBoy 29
06-08-08, 10:26
I am sorry for my english, I have been now in kiev so many times, I know how is work in kiev if you are only in kiev for 4 days is the best place go to Riverplace. But many tourist rip of the market so now the price is from 200 to 400$ for 1 hour. Before the price was 100$, if you pick up a girl from riverplace is good for you to ask is this girl call taxi agency so you will only pay 30 uah or you take take outside riverplace you will pay 100 uah. Before you come to kiev you need to make a budget because is expensive city. I prefare to go nightclub and pick up a freebies, but is not easy. For tourist or foreginer is the best to stay in the city because is safe for you. I have been in saxon nightclub and forsage nightclub, yes is a lot of student but is far away from city and I feel not safe like when I go to nightclub in the city it can be dangerous, because many taxi driver is corrupt they working with police and mafia.
About skybar and decadence don't go because is expencive the price of entrance is 150 uah and some in the weekend 200 uah, is a elite club only full of rich people, if you come there so is better too stay in your country. What I found is very important in kiev is how you dress and especial your shoes, you need to dress well or you don't have any chance, you need to know, is the girls who play the market in kiev now, so you can meet many girl who just play with you especial for tourist you will spend a lot of money of her and you get nothing from her. Shooters is a good place to pick up some freebies and some times art 44 and in krechatyk)). About safety is safe in the city, beware of drunk people in group, they are some skinhead grown it up in kiev now they get inspiration from russia. But almost go after turkish, arabic, and african student.
I am professionel hunters I am only looking only for freebies, I can not tell you what is the best bar and the best nightclub, because tourist who read this will only rip of the market))).
Have a nice time in Kiev.
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AColonizer
06-08-08, 21:33
Thank you Spanishboy.
I would like to underline the first problem is not prices, because prostitutes' prices have the same strategy of taxi's prices, but the first problem is the quality.
Maybe most men are used to very low quality, maybe most men like just piggy sex with every kind of girl, but to find a charming girl very good at everything sex, it is hard in all over the world: sex is an art that most people think to know but they know at maximum 25%.
And sometimes it is very ridicolous when men talk about freebies. Freebies don't always mean nice girls. Because you fuck for free, therefore your girl is nice?
OK, I agree, it should be better never with prostitutes.
The question about freebies in Kiev is the relationship quality x number/time x money spent. This is rather low since in Kiev you can get an 8 in terms of appearance maximum (mostly you bed 6-7) and the number if you stay one week and do everything inside the week (first meeting to bed) will be 1-2 while the expenses will be at least 250 euro everyday (everything included, rent, dates expenses, clubs), so you will have spent 1850 + 400 euro plane ticket just to fuck one 7 or 6.
Some people may be happy with the above but the challenge is that there are alternative places where the ratio quality x number/time x money is better.
DJ FourMoney
06-09-08, 21:30
The question about freebies in Kiev is the relationship quality x number/time x money spent. This is rather low since in Kiev you can get an 8 in terms of appearance maximum (mostly you bed 6-7) and the number if you stay one week and do everything inside the week (first meeting to bed) will be 1-2 while the expenses will be at least 250 euro everyday (everything included, rent, dates expenses, clubs), so you will have spent 1850 + 400 euro plane ticket just to fuck one 7 or 6.
Some people may be happy with the above but the challenge is that there are alternative places where the ratio quality x number/time x money is better.
Interesting points...
2.5 days, one trip to RP (didn't do take out), about $170 US in accommodations between two different places and I had my hands around her breast, kissing her neck and her pants down while the baby slept on day 3 about 4 feet from us.
That was shot number 1
Shot number 2 I have on my hard drive - :) which happen after dinner, she cooked, now restaurant food here.
First time ever traveler to EE, Not even considered a serious player or monger State side, did I get lucky?
I don't think so. Putting cultural differences aside for a second, women deep down desire the SAME things when it comes to partners in varying degrees.
She is not a looker, needs the right clothes, hair style and makeup to elevate her status which I put at 5. Her body however is better than some of the extremely skinny girls that Doc likes to post, but he likes them that way and I wouldn't kick a thin girl like that out of my bed either. This woman is much thinner by American standards with larger B or small C cup titties.
Add the incentive that I am an African-American, that might have increased my chances of sexual contact by a certain amount. I mean the Hungarian girl I dated for a hot second here in LA, she had a nice collection of IR porn in her apartment, she worked for a distributor so access was easy but she didn't bother to hide it well either.
I bring that up to prove there's a measurable amount of natural curiosity and many women are interested in the myths and fables they have heard from Western Women.
So not turning this post to be about me per-say but I came out ahead by going the freebie route. The only thing that didn't make it worth it overall is that I had to play damage control when the freebie felt cheap and used all of a sudden... We just had did the deed about two hours earlier and after dinner, Telos SMS'ed me and wanted to know if I wanted to go out with him.
That's when the shit hit the fan, she made a big scene and there was plenty of drama with her putting the baby in the stroller and actually opening the door, but I knew she wasn't going anyplace....
"You come to Kiev just to see cheap girls..."
She also said something that might have caused me to leave but I knew it was anger speaking and not her true intent and unfortunately she pulled out the "race" card and babbled something about there wasn't AIDS in Ukraine until African immigrants showed up and she was concerned I had made her sick, Uh chances are Caucasian mongers are not going to get this card pulled on them.
Just to prove that was false, she sheepishly requested we fuck again and that this time we get it on her digital camera.
From time to time, on Skype she'll ask when I am visiting again and when are we going to have sex again and she has sent me nude pictures, topless pictures and the like...lol
For unexperienced mongers (I totally include myself in that) you should stick to proven properties and RTFF!
If your serious about meeting your future wife, just be honest, no shadiness, no double talk, no tricks. It pays off quickly, as I said I don't think what happen to me is unique.
Doctor_Skank
06-09-08, 22:58
"You come to Kiev just to see cheap girls..."
That is the stigma.
Here body however is better than some of the extremely skinny girls that Doc likes to post, but he likes them that way and I wouldn't kick a thin girl like that out of my bed either. I don't always go for the super skinny ones DJ4$, depends on my mood. Sometimes I like a bit more tit and ass.
Some people may be happy with the above but the challenge is that there are alternative places where the ratio quality x number/time x money is better.Just curious, where do you think it is better?
You guys do know there are several tens of thousands of beautiful girls in Kyiv, right? To those who find it tough going - Stay away from the very attractive spoiled 'center' girls. There are going to chew you up and spit you out. Then we all get to hear you cry about it on here.
If you have been to Kyiv more then 3-4 times and are still lamenting about this or that it's time to find someplace else to go.
Spanishboy, you don't need to have the girl call a taxi service at RP. Just walk to the street and flag down a car. I generally pay 30uah when I leave to go back to the center - with or without a girl. Sometimes 40 or 50 if I'm tired.
Hey, where have Irish Lad, Uke and Tonit66 been?
DJ FourMoney
06-10-08, 07:44
That is the stigma.
I don't always go for the super skinny ones DJ4$, depends on my mood. Sometimes I like a bit more tit and ass.Just curious, where do you think it is better?
I'll take any of your leftovers!
I know you like some "onion" and "melons" with your ladies, I its just the very tall and very thin ones tend to stand out - :)
DJ FourMoney
06-10-08, 07:47
You guys do know there are several tens of thousands of beautiful girls in Kyiv, right? To those who find it tough going - Stay away from the very attractive spoiled 'center' girls. There are going to chew you up and spit you out. Then we all get to hear you cry about it on here.
If you have been to Kyiv more then 3-4 times and are still lamenting about this or that it's time to find someplace else to go.
Spanishboy, you don't need to have the girl call a taxi service at RP. Just walk to the street and flag down a car. I generally pay 30uah when I leave to go back to the center - with or without a girl. Sometimes 40 or 50 if I'm tired.
Hey, where have Irish Lad, Uke and Tonit66 been?
I totally agree, there are many "Stunnas" among the "normal" women you''ll find on the outskirts of the city and at agencies around the city, several of them...
Doctor_Skank
06-10-08, 08:11
You guys do know there are several tens of thousands of beautiful girls in Kyiv, right? To those who find it tough going - Stay away from the very attractive spoiled 'center' girls. There are going to chew you up and spit you out. Then we all get to hear you cry about it on here.
In addition to that, despite all the talk of sponsored girls etc., the vast majority of girls lead fairly simple, boring lives... and go to clubs maybe once of month, if at all.
If you take time to look at Ukrainian girls' faces and bodies, IMO you'll notice that often all that separates a plain Jane 7 from a stunning 9 is upscale clothing, a decent hairdresser, a tan and some other forms of decoration and maintenance. The faces and bodies are often quite uniform. It's no surprise that most models were once plain-looking dumpy country girls with good bone structure that somebody "discovered" and glammed up.
DJ FourMoney
06-10-08, 09:59
In addition to that, despite all the talk of sponsored girls etc., the vast majority of girls lead fairly simple, boring lives... and go to clubs maybe once of month, if at all.
If you take time to look at Ukrainian girls' faces and bodies, IMO you'll notice that often all that separates a plain Jane 7 from a stunning 9 is upscale clothing, a decent hairdresser, a tan and some other forms of decoration and maintenance. The faces and bodies are often quite uniform. It's no surprise that most models were once plain-looking dumpy country girls with good bone structure that somebody "discovered" and glammed up.
Yep Yep...
I noticed that too, very plain, no makeup, pants mostly, no mini's really nothing fancy. That's because the average wage doesn't allow it.
That is the stigma.
I don't always go for the super skinny ones DJ4$, depends on my mood. Sometimes I like a bit more tit and ass.Just curious, where do you think it is better?Let's say you stay in Kiev 7 days to bed a 7 and you spend 2300 euro(plane tickets included) for all the dating(with girls you bang or not).
So the index becomes quality(7) x number(1)/money spent(2300) x time(7 days).You divide the money by 1000 to get a result without zeros.So you have:
7 x 1/ 2,3 x 7.The index is 1/2.3 or 0.4.
Let's say you travel to another place where you bang an 8 and a 7 and you spend 1600 euro for one week.The index becomes: (8 x 1)+(7x1)/1.6 x 7.
It is 15/11.2 or 1.3.
So the index can triple if you travel to another place and get these results.
In my opinion the normal index for Kiev by this method is 0.4-0.8 depending on
monger.For example if you need to travel more than one time to bang a girl you met before,then you have to calculate 2 or more plane tickets in expenses,so the index lowers.
From my experience there are 2-3 ukrainian cities where the index is better than in Kiev and I strongly suspect 1-2 belarus cities as well.
In addition to that, despite all the talk of sponsored girls etc., the vast majority of girls lead fairly simple, boring lives... and go to clubs maybe once of month, if at all.
If you take time to look at Ukrainian girls' faces and bodies, IMO you'll notice that often all that separates a plain Jane 7 from a stunning 9 is upscale clothing, a decent hairdresser, a tan and some other forms of decoration and maintenance. The faces and bodies are often quite uniform. It's no surprise that most models were once plain-looking dumpy country girls with good bone structure that somebody "discovered" and glammed up.I have measured the incidence of attractive girls in Kiev by observations on the street.Independant of clothing,make up etc,based only on phsyical appearance the incidence of attractive girls in Kiev is 1 out of 20.This means that there are about 10000 beautiful girls in Kiev.(Population 2.5 million,half of them women,1/5 of women in age 18-30,1/20 of them attractive).
The proportion of attractive girls in Dnipro for example is 1 out of 30.In Poland it is 1 out of 10 etc.
Doctor_Skank
06-10-08, 11:20
Yep Yep...
I noticed that too, very plain, no makeup, pants mostly, no mini's really nothing fancy. That's because the average wage doesn't allow it.I don't think it is wage... Ukrainian girls spend what little money they have on things that make them look good. They'd rather starve than not have anything to wear. Every girl has a mini in her closet... and can get dolled up decently if she has too. Still there is a big difference between being professionally styled (expensively) and doing it yourself. Often that's the superficial difference between girls in elite clubs and restuarants and more average ones. Just my personal impression.
The main reason you see mostly average girls on the street is because most girls ARE average. Average looking, average dreams, average motivation. Once you've been in EE for a while and the WOW factor wears off, you notice that by no means are all Ukr girls hot. Before I get flamed, that isn't to say that Ukr girls and their Slavic sisters aren't on average hotter than almost any other girls on the planet overall... they are, at least for those who like white girls.
DJ FourMoney
06-10-08, 22:03
i don't think it is wage... ukrainian girls spend what little money they have on things that make them look good. they'd rather starve than not have anything to wear. every girl has a mini in her closet... and can get dolled up decently if she has too. still there is a big difference between being professionally styled (expensively) and doing it yourself. often that's the superficial difference between girls in elite clubs and restuarants and more average ones. just my personal impression.
the main reason you see mostly average girls on the street is because most girls are average. average looking, average dreams, average motivation. once you've been in ee for a while and the wow factor wears off, you notice that by no means are all ukr girls hot. before i get flamed, that isn't to say that ukr girls and their slavic sisters aren't on average hotter than almost any other girls on the planet overall... they are, at least for those who like white girls.
there was never a "wow" factor to wear off, i had already been in norway and sweden and throughly impressed.
i agree among "white women" scandinavia and fsu have the rest of the world beat hands down, its not even a competition.
who would flame you?
anybody that has been a few places would know that while slavic women are hot, they tend to be very thin, have flat butts and most of the time, generally no curves at all. some caucasian guys especially those from europe tend to like that look. american taste tend to vary from person to person as our mixed heritage creates some interesting and attractive women and shapes our taste in women.
i can appreciate the typically attractive slavic woman. in a way its sexy, while elegant and graceful especially with tall women. they are tight and taut, many american women that thin are skanky and mousy.
scandinavians tend to be more my speed as i am a "tit" man firstly and an "ass" man secondly and while "ass" is harder to find in say norway, its not impossible.
nobody has ass like latinas or black women its not even up for discussion but i think people confuse that erotic sexy look with "cheap" and "dirty" and that's too bad.
i still think sao paulo or at the least the southern part of brasil is the best of both worlds, strictly based on photo submissions on isg of course - :d
AColonizer
06-12-08, 17:55
I think this is my last time, for this year or more, in Kiev. I will upload a nice picture of my favourite girl, when I will come back home. I have a lot of things to think about at my home.
I am here just to write: I have fear! Every Slavic person can be a wolf hidden in a lamb.
Some strange and bad things are happened in these last days. For example, I discovered that, that taxi driver who I thought he was my friend, instead he is strongly connected with prostitution management. And some more different bad things.
How can foreigners trust in these people when these people can suddendly become their own killers? I have fear!
I think this is my last time, for this year or more, in Kiev. I will upload a nice picture of my favourite girl, when I will come back home. I have a lot of things to think about at my home.
I am here just to write: I have fear! Every Slavic person can be a wolf hidden in a lamb.
Some strange and bad things are happened in these last days. For example, I discovered that, that taxi driver who I thought he was my friend, instead he is strongly connected with prostitution management. And some more different bad things.
How can foreigners trust in these people when these people can suddendly become their own killers? I have fear!
I am not sure where you are from Acolonizer......... by the looks of your post your own island somewhere perhaps?
Taxi driver connected to legal wrong doings? every major city in the world my friend is just the same.
Every slavic a wolf in sheeps clothing? perhaps you should come off your island more its a dog eat dog world out there again not just in Kiev, its the same in England, USA and other non EE countries.
Killers? why would they want to kill you when they can just steal from you instead.
For me Ukraine is very safe compared to western countries, and I feel far safer walking around here at night than I ever do in other places in the world.
Please I feel your post is a over reaction to a country that has so much to offer and you make it sound like hell on earth! wake up smell the coffee, and get out more ;)
Doctor_Skank
06-13-08, 08:17
(Population 2.5 million,half of them women,1/5 of women in age 18-30,1/20 of them attractive).I'd find more than 1 out of 20 girls aged 18-30 that I would fuck, probably more like 1 out of 10. Then again, I'm usually downtown and the numbers of hot chicks is higher. In clubs or glam places it's even higher.
Go to the right club and it's 25% very doable. Maybe my 25% wouldn't correspond to yours. Thankfully tastes vary.
Somedays when my testosterone levels are up, I'd probably do just about any one of them if the body was ok. Or maybe I'm just a perv.
Some strange and bad things are happened in these last days. For example, I discovered that, that taxi driver who I thought he was my friend, instead he is strongly connected with prostitution management. And some more different bad things.
How can foreigners trust in these people when these people can suddendly become their own killers? I have fear!I wouldn't trust a taxi driver, period. Just like I would never really trust a *****.
Use them, be friendly with them, have a small "relationship" with them... sure. But trust them? No way.
Use some common sense Acol... taxi drivers, *****s, lawyers, bookies, bartenders. They just want your money. Treat it as a service industry... you pay a fee and get some service from them, whether it's a trip to an airport, some numbers of girls, faster drinks at the bar or in the case of a pro, some faux-passion and affection. If the price and service is OK, everybody's happy.
AColonizer
06-13-08, 08:54
Ooohhh, these are very wise and friendly words: thank you! Yes, I live in a countryside area near Venice and, until some years ago, here was a paradise in comparison of metropolitanean areas.
I worked in London for about six months but I don't remember these situations happenned.
Yes, you are right, maybe I am from an island and now I am very shocked about how many filthing situations that I see in this "civilized" world. John Lennon sang "No hell, no heaven, just living" but in my humble opinion, the Earth is the real hell. Yes, you are right, no feelings for prostitutes, but it is hard for me because I don't make difference among "regular" girls and prostitutes and I am always used to have an human relationship with people.
Some years ago, I came out from my paradise and I discovered there is no human relationship, just the "advantage" is the lord in every kind of relationships, in business relationships, in family relationships, in social relationships, in religious relationships, etc.
Yes, you all are right, but it was better the people were human and not as any other things to throw away in the litter bin when there is no "advantage".
Bye bye.
Use some common sense Acol. Taxi drivers, *****s, lawyers, bookies, bartenders. They just want your money. Treat it as a service industry. You pay a fee and get some service from them, whether it's a trip to an airport, some numbers of girls, faster drinks at the bar or in the case of a pro, some faux-passion and affection. If the price and service is OK, everybody's happy.
Headed back to Kyiv next month for the first time in a two years. I am somewhat surprised that the crazy inflation isn't having some sort of impact on the local girl mentality, at least as reported here. From what I've read, the rate has been somewhere around 15-18%!
I know very little about economics but I can rationalize two outcomes:
Inflation makes everything more expensive so providers charge more.
Inflation makes everything more expensive so providers become more willing to dip below their asking price.
Anyone seeing any impact in the scene, or even in day-to-day commerce?
Zizz
Zizz, prices are higher.
AC - from reading your latest message I can only assume it's your first day reading this forum, welcome.
Headed back to Kyiv next month for the first time in a two years. I am somewhat surprised that the crazy inflation isn't having some sort of impact on the local girl mentality, at least as reported here. From what I've read, the rate has been somewhere around 15-18%!
I know very little about economics but I can rationalize two outcomes:
Inflation makes everything more expensive so providers charge more.
Inflation makes everything more expensive so providers become more willing to dip below their asking price.
Anyone seeing any impact in the scene, or even in day-to-day commerce?
ZizzI think Helena Moscow has provided an aspect of inflation on escorts' prices from an escort point of view which I find interesting.
She claimed that as the wages for the workers are adjusted in a level that allows them to buy the means for their survival,so that their working power remains intact,the same are adjusted for working girls.
That is pros have to get more when inflation increases in order to sustain their working power.In case of escorts this is translated into buying cosmetics,having plastic surgeries,buying make up,clothes etc as being able to pay rent and afford all daily expenses,so when the inflation drives prices up,escorts' prices have to go up as well.
Of course this style of thinking is purely marxistic descending from communist times but may explain how slavic escorts view themselves and their demands as high maintenance.
AColonizer
06-13-08, 23:43
Saint words! Not only about prostitutes (their correct name) but in general about all FSU peoples. Besides, they think to be always poor even when they earn like western people and they think all western people are billionaires.
Of course this style of thinking is purely marxistic descending from communist times but may explain how slavic escorts view themselves and their demands as high maintenance.
I see these girls on several sites, but no reviews. Anybody had one?:
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Masha-dosug-prostitutki-Minet-glubokij-intim-uslugi-dosug.715.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Bozhena-foto-prostitutok-Seks-klassicheskij-intim-dosug-prostitutki.338.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Dinara-shlyuha-Striptiz-ne-profi-intim-ukrainy.530.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Nastya-deshevye-prostitutki-kieva-Zolot.-dozhd-vydacha-kiev-intim.617.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Anzhelochka-prostitutki-anketa-Legkaya-dominaciya-intim-uslugi-kiev.701.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/-Alesya-prostitutki-dorogo-Seks-klassicheskij-eroticheskij-massazh-intim.690.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Evgeniya-seks-bez-znakomstva-Seks-analnyj-v-ukraine.369.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Natasha-individualki-deshevye-Strapon-predlagayu-intim.653.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Snezhanna-nomer-prostitutki-Massazh-Klassicheskij-intim-uslugi-kiev.116.html
Sorry I know its a long list, but I plan on the attempt to fuck a minimum of ten women on this trip. If I can handle it....
John Corey
06-14-08, 23:00
I am planning my first trip to Kiev mid August and would appreciate any assistance I can get.
Would it be a good time to make the trip given it is the middle of Summer?
Would it be worth my while to travel to Odessa?
Thank you in advance.
JC
AColonizer
06-15-08, 13:31
Funny question! I hope I don't repeat this for thousands times!
They are usually all well organized "agencies". For example, you phone a receptionist, for example Masha, and after Masha talks about your call to her manageress and after her manageress decides which girl to send to you. Girls are usually very unprofessional girls, very low quality services and very high prices and very low respect of you. You are one more chicken to pluck.
You can choice three options:
- to pay 100$ and more for something similar to fuck a plastic doll;
- to save 100$ and more masturbating yourself;
- to look for a long-time prostitute, she will be a real porn actress and she won't be expensive.
In specific, I collected about 50 phone numbers from several sites like yours and I discovered all "agencies" are just hunters of chickens. The same about River Palace and main discos in Kiev. The same about sex services offered by foreigner firms. Ukrainian, American, Italian, etc. sex activities for foreigners are just hunters of chickens (understand, Cruiser D?)
In my personal experience, I found two harcore prostitutes, incredible things because they had nice face, perfect body, extreme sex and honest prices. Unfortunately, they had a very bad character and, like all prostitutes, soon or late, they will disappear.
I am sure I was lucky to find them because it is not easy to find incredible things.
I see these girls on several sites, but no reviews. Anybody had one?:
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Masha-dosug-prostitutki-Minet-glubokij-intim-uslugi-dosug.715.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Bozhena-foto-prostitutok-Seks-klassicheskij-intim-dosug-prostitutki.338.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Dinara-shlyuha-Striptiz-ne-profi-intim-ukrainy.530.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Nastya-deshevye-prostitutki-kieva-Zolot.-dozhd-vydacha-kiev-intim.617.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Anzhelochka-prostitutki-anketa-Legkaya-dominaciya-intim-uslugi-kiev.701.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/-Alesya-prostitutki-dorogo-Seks-klassicheskij-eroticheskij-massazh-intim.690.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Evgeniya-seks-bez-znakomstva-Seks-analnyj-v-ukraine.369.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Natasha-individualki-deshevye-Strapon-predlagayu-intim.653.html
http://www.escort-models.kiev.ua/Snezhanna-nomer-prostitutki-Massazh-Klassicheskij-intim-uslugi-kiev.116.html
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Sometimes you need to be able to offer the girl something more besides money.
You need to be able to recognize a girl who will not provide you with a good time. And you must be able and willing to walk (run away from her).
I never had anything but fantastic sex with the girls I brought home from RP at $100-$200. But I also remembering bickering with a girl for half the taxi ride back to my place. When we finally got here I gave the driver 50uah (this was 2005) and shut the door in the girl's face. You have to be willing to do that too. Otherwise you are just being lead around by your penis and you will have one bad time after another. Remember the girls in the places you go to are PROFESSIONALS, the hard core ones will recognize you as a mark and take advantage of you. Understand whom you are interested in and more importantly who will be interested in you. Some nights you will be going home alone but as you may have finally figured out it's better then having a bad time and being taken advantage of.
Allow me to very highly commend Cruiser D's thoughts on Monger discipline.
Short and to the point.
Sometimes we (me) forget some of what should be the Golden Rules of Mongerdom due to being distracted by the heavy whiff of estrogen.
Treat them all with respect going in.
Don't get jerked around and thank them by doing repeats for excellent service levels.
The most effective way to deal with lack of respect from the "other side" and poor service levels is to haul back and wallop them where it hurts most - in the pocket book - and send them away with a smile and explanation from the bar or from the hotel/apartment before starting the session. If the session has started and the service is not up to what was contracted for then again, smile, explanation is detail and if not immediately made up to your satisfaction, out the door they go with the previously agreed payment and clear instructions that there will not be a repeat.
Thre is no shame in retiring home alone when out playing. It doesn't mean you are a loser simply that you are a discerning monger.
Cruiser D's words could be printed on a small visiting card for Mongers to retain and hand out to new arrivals to the Hobby.
Thanks Cruiser D.
Sometimes you need to be able to offer the girl something more besides money.
You need to be able to recognize a girl who will not provide you with a good time. And you must be able and willing to walk (run away from her).
I never had anything but fantastic sex with the girls I brought home from RP at $100-$200. But I also remembering bickering with a girl for half the taxi ride back to my place. When we finally got here I gave the driver 50uah (this was 2005) and shut the door in the girl's face. You have to be willing to do that too. Otherwise you are just being lead around by your penis and you will have one bad time after another. Remember the girls in the places you go to are PROFESSIONALS, the hard core ones will recognize you as a mark and take advantage of you. Understand whom you are interested in and more importantly who will be interested in you. Some nights you will be going home alone but as you may have finally figured out it's better then having a bad time and being taken advantage of.
Allow me to very highly commend Cruiser D's thoughts on Monger discipline.
Short and to the point.
Sometimes we (me) forget some of what should be the Golden Rules of Mongerdom due to being distracted by the heavy whiff of estrogen.
Treat them all with respect going in.
Don't get jerked around and thank them by doing repeats for excellent service levels.
The most effective way to deal with lack of respect from the "other side" and poor service levels is to haul back and wallop them where it hurts most - in the pocket book - and send them away with a smile and explanation from the bar or from the hotel/apartment before starting the session. If the session has started and the service is not up to what was contracted for then again, smile, explanation is detail and if not immediately made up to your satisfaction, out the door they go with the previously agreed payment and clear instructions that there will not be a repeat.
Thre is no shame in retiring home alone when out playing. It doesn't mean you are a loser simply that you are a discerning monger.
Cruiser D's words could be printed on a small visiting card for Mongers to retain and hand out to new arrivals to the Hobby. Applicable in almost every situation and country.
Thanks Cruiser D.
Sometimes you need to be able to offer the girl something more besides money.
You need to be able to recognize a girl who will not provide you with a good time. And you must be able and willing to walk (run away from her).
I never had anything but fantastic sex with the girls I brought home from RP at $100-$200. But I also remembering bickering with a girl for half the taxi ride back to my place. When we finally got here I gave the driver 50uah (this was 2005) and shut the door in the girl's face. You have to be willing to do that too. Otherwise you are just being lead around by your penis and you will have one bad time after another. Remember the girls in the places you go to are PROFESSIONALS, the hard core ones will recognize you as a mark and take advantage of you. Understand whom you are interested in and more importantly who will be interested in you. Some nights you will be going home alone but as you may have finally figured out it's better then having a bad time and being taken advantage of.
AColonizer
06-16-08, 18:38
I agree about a night alone instead of wasting money.
But there are some heavy "but".
The first, we are talking prostitutes.
But do you know prostitutes have sex for money only? But do you know prostitutes' mindset? Do you think, with your charming face and nice cloth, to target more prostitutes or to get from prostitutes? Do you think, more respect you give and more respect you receive?
But these behaviours are just the behaviours that prostitutes want their customers have, because in this way they make you understand who is the real boss: them, the prostitutes.
More charme or respect you have with prostitutes, and more they waste your money and time. In any time you should be ready to break any human relationships (if you can have any human relationships, of course).
I can't repeat what I detailed described in my previous posts.
But a typical example is: it is years and years a prostitute makes swallow blowjobs from everybody (ugly, old, dirty and drug addicted, all! ) for 200 grivnas. One day she will come with you for a classy meeting, before in a restaurant or disco (paid by you) and after in your apartment. She pretends to be a tender girl and she asks 300 dollars for a night with you, no swallow blowjobs, why? Because she never made them and it is dangerous for health. But do you really think it is better to have charme or respect?
"""Treat them all with respect going in.
Don't get jerked around and thank them by doing repeats for excellent service levels.
The most effective way to deal with lack of respect from the "other side" and poor service levels is to haul back and wallop them where it hurts most. In the pocket book. And send them away with a smile and explanation from the bar or from the hotel/apartment before starting the session. If the session has started and the service is not up to what was contracted for then again, smile, explanation is detail and if not immediately made up to your satisfaction, out the door they go with the previously agreed payment and clear instructions that there will not be a repeat. """
A lot of "but" here, too.
One more typical example.
The girl comes to you flat. It is better to see her naked: didn't you get any bad surprises when she has undressed? Tits A---, fat waist or cellulited legs, etc. And in this way, you can verify her real age, too: you say 22 but your body says 28. Or maybe, do you believe in pictures on Internet?
Then, you negotiate services: yes, no, yes, no. (Did you never understand why the first hour is the most expensive? ) She makes a protected blowjob, no deep throath. You blame, you like deep throat (at least), because deep throat is a real sex. But she can't (doesn't want). Then you try to fuck her vaginally. Therefore she wides her legs, just a plastic doll. (But why does nobody, in this forum, remember a fuck is good when the vaginal muscles are tighted around the penis? )
At last, you are not satisfied for services negotiated, before she said she is good and she makes some services and, instead, after she didn't make any good services but she is just very good to waste time with sigarettes, showers and phone calls. What will you do? "I am not satisfied, go home! "? She will pretend to be sad or angry with you but, just out the building, she will smile and phone her padruska about the new chicken.
No, wrong way! Why don't you remember when you buy, for example, a household appliance. If this appliance doesn't work or fire your house, what do you do? Do you go back to the shop and do you say "I won't buy anything again here! "? (And the shop manager answers "Don't worry, I have two thousands chickens for the same applaince. ")
I can continue for hours, this is the real world. There are too many people excited for an easy fuck. A fuck doesn't always mean sex. In fact sex is an art. And mongering means cheating women more than women cheating men, this is the eternal sex war.
In my opinion the general attitude of a girl,whether freebie or pro is the same to every man regardless of his appearance.This is the general attitude.The fine details of her attitude are shaped by his appearance and behaviour.
What do I mean?
Let's take three hypothetical customers
1.One is young,good looking and has decent behaviour
2.The other is middle aged,average looking and has normal behaviour
3.The thirld is old,bad looking and has shitty behaviour
How will a pro react in this hypothetical example?
We take three pros
1.One is young,good looking and has decent behaviour
2.One is middle aged,average looking and has normal behaviour
3.One is old,bad looking and has shitty behaviour
Let's say the guy no.1 meets pro no.1.The result will be excellent combination of sex with value for money.
Let's say guy no.2 meets pro no.1.The result will be satsisfactory sex with good value for money
Let's say guy no.3 meets pro no.1.The result will be average sex with normal value for money.
Let's see what happens when guy no.1 meets pro no.3.The result is total disappointment.
Also when guy no.2 meets pro no.3,the result is shitty.
And then guy no.3 does not do any better with pro no.3 than the rest of the guys.
So the pros' general attitude is very important,because it will decide their response to each category of clients.
The fine details of the pros' attitudes(which play major role in the ideal case of pro) are determined by the individual guys' characteristics.
So if sb claims that in general only the guy's attitude determines everything,this is not right.But if he says that guy's attitude is irrelevant,it is also false.
To get the best out of pros,one has to search a lot and especially pay attention to their phone personality.Their attitude on phone is similar to what he will encounter(except from some very experienced gold diggers).
What is true for pros is also true for freebies.
AC, I keep it simple and I've never had a problem in Kiev. You make it complex and you seem to have nothing but problems.
Sometimes you need to realize when you are having nothing but problems the problems may lay with you and you may need to change the way you approach things.
I can continue for hours ...Please don't.
Doctor_Skank
06-17-08, 09:01
AC:
I've had both good and bad experiences with pros and although every once and a while you end up with one who is simply a dud (and you didn't notice this until you'd paid the mamachka/pimp), in most cases performance has been good to excellent.
When the performance was bad or when I didn't really have a great time it was usually MY own fault, meaning I was too tired, too drunk, in a bad mood, undermotivated or whatever.
I find that pros feed off of my vibe even more than I do theirs... so bringing the right fun, happy yet assertive attitude to the bedroom is a key to getting your money's worth and enjoying yourself.
If things aren't optimal for me, I generally don't use a pro and just go home alone.
By the way, one thing I never do in EE is whack off/masturbate. That's a sin and violates the Monger Code of Conduct. I'll bet you are all very happy I provided you with the visual image.
DJ FourMoney
06-17-08, 11:18
AC:
I've had both good and bad experiences with pros and although every once and a while you end up with one who is simply a dud (and you didn't notice this until you'd paid the mamachka/pimp), in most cases performance has been good to excellent.
When the performance was bad or when I didn't really have a great time it was usually MY own fault, meaning I was too tired, too drunk, in a bad mood, undermotivated or whatever.
I find that pros feed off of my vibe even more than I do theirs... so bringing the right fun, happy yet assertive attitude to the bedroom is a key to getting your money's worth and enjoying yourself.
If things aren't optimal for me, I generally don't use a pro and just go home alone.
By the way, one thing I never do in EE is whack off/masturbate. That's a sin and violates the Monger Code of Conduct. I'll bet you are all very happy I provided you with the visual image.
How could you be wacking off?
I didn't wack for at least 4 months after coming back from Germany, I had enough sex, I was actually tired of it.
You on the other hand, have not only pros but how many GF/Sex Partners?
Maybe 2-3 constant ones right?
So WHY would you wack off? It has nothing to do with SIN or breaking of the Monger Code, you just have a steady supply of Pussy, no reason to wack off.
ME on the other hand its time to make a run for the boarder.... Being in SoCal I can do that - ;)
Doctor_Skank
06-17-08, 14:33
How could you be wacking off?
Maybe 2-3 constant ones right?
Haha, I don't whack off in EE. It would feel like defeat. I just refered to it because someone (I believe AC) mentioned it would be cheaper to do so than take a pro. Like I said, it's a sin to whack off in EE.
As for how many constant ones, I am not nearly as prolific in Ukraine as Cruiser or some others since my main stomping ground is Russia. I only get to Ukr a couple times a year. Next trip in August to my beloved-hated Odessa.
In Russia, I won't tell you how many "regulars" I have. It's embarassing... over the course of months and years it is pretty easy to assemble a small army of Amazons, nymphs and Amazonettes... :)
AColonizer
06-17-08, 21:16
Anyway, Kiev is a good city to live and to have fun and I am sure it is less expensive of most European and FSU capital cities.
A lot of tales for fooling yourselves.
1. Money is the most important thing in life: don't waste your money.
2. I believe in master mongers but they are few and they are not a good statistical sample.
3. Women, in general, always do something to get something. Also when they say "love", they think "advantage".
Numbers talk. You go on Internet: which prices you find? I haven't invented them! You phone them and you meet them: which real prices and which real services? I haven't invented them! You go to River Palace or Decadence or Patipa or somewhere else, which prices and which prices you find? I haven't invented them! These are just numbers, big numbers, not opinions, and they show what is the real situation.
I know most men, too. When they need a fuck, they are in a weak situation that everything is good. A lot of "I was happy of that fuck. " mean "I can't say to myself that fuck doesn't worth its price. ".
I thank Doctor Skank because he talks wise and humble. I thank Hecker for his deep scientific approach. But they are master mongers, not common people.
About my previous examples, I found those situations almost all times. And I talk about just what I saw and I heard.
About good appearance for getting good sex, I saw with my own eyes, twenty year old Ukrainian prostitutes, in Italy, prefer over-sixty year old men, instead of a thirty/fourty because he pays 10 euros more (I say 10, not 100). Try to think those prostitutes made swallow blowjobs, without any cleanings, to sixty year old men and, then, try to explain to me why I have to spend money to be charming when, at the same time, no charming men get more than me. I think this is a normal situation.
I repeat the situation in Kiev:. Unprotected sex is normal and swallow blowjobs are normal for Ukrainians. Girls say the opposite because they like to fraud foreigners.. Also now, price for two hours of a good all sex session is 120/130 dollars. You could sometimes find a very talented girl and give her a tip. Instead the market for foreigners demands 100/120 dollars for the first hour and offers a low quality service.
Anyway, Kiev is a good city to live and to have fun and I am sure it is less expensive of most European and FSU capital cities.
anyway, kiev is a good city to live and to have fun and i am sure it is less expensive of most european and fsu capital cities.
a lot of tales for fooling yourselves.
1. money is the most important thing in life: don't waste your money.
2. i believe in master mongers but they are few and they are not a good statistical sample.
3. women, in general, always do something to get something. also when they say "love", they think "advantage".
numbers talk. you go on internet: which prices you find? i haven't invented them! you phone them and you meet them: which real prices and which real services? i haven't invented them! you go to river palace or decadence or patipa or somewhere else, which prices and which prices you find? i haven't invented them! these are just numbers, big numbers, not opinions, and they show what is the real situation.
i know most men, too. when they need a fuck, they are in a weak situation that everything is good. a lot of "i was happy of that fuck. " mean "i can't say to myself that fuck doesn't worth its price. ".
i thank doctor skank because he talks wise and humble. i thank hecker for his deep scientific approach. but they are master mongers, not common people.
about my previous examples, i found those situations almost all times. and i talk about just what i saw and i heard.
about good appearance for getting good sex, i saw with my own eyes, twenty year old ukrainian prostitutes, in italy, prefer over-sixty year old men, instead of a thirty/fourty because he pays 10 euros more (i say 10, not 100). try to think those prostitutes made swallow blowjobs, without any cleanings, to sixty year old men and, then, try to explain to me why i have to spend money to be charming when, at the same time, no charming men get more than me. i think this is a normal situation.
i repeat the situation in kiev:. unprotected sex is normal and swallow blowjobs are normal for ukrainians. girls say the opposite because they like to fraud foreigners.. also now, price for two hours of a good all sex session is 120/130 dollars. you could sometimes find a very talented girl and give her a tip. instead the market for foreigners demands 100/120 dollars for the first hour and offers a low quality service.
anyway, kiev is a good city to live and to have fun and i am sure it is less expensive of most european and fsu capital cities.kiev is the 23rd capital in the world in terms of prices i think.it is close to southern european eu countries.
i do not consider myself a master monger,i am just used on having very limited time,so i do everything in high speed.maybe i am good in limited time conditions because this is what i have to cope up with.
the point is to be able to pull if you are in a new place,have no contacts at all and have maximum 4 days to stay.if you can pull,the place is good.if you cannot get a girl to hotel in these 4 days,the place is not the best,there are better places.
i went to germany and got two girlfriends in 4 days.because i am experienced and know where to search.people who pick up with me say they lose me because i am very fast.i kiss girls and they eat in restaurants waiting for me.
the whole point if you have limited time is to be always in the move,have a lquid plan which you change constantly.
for example you have 10 internet contacts,you meet them,you have to judge quickly and eliminate the ones which will not lead to fast sex because they are a waste of time.you have to decide in the first 30 minutes of the date and build the strategy.so you need logistics.
a lot of lays is lost due to bad logistics.women have no idea about them and make things worse all the time.how to meet,attract,isolate,lay,you have always to estimate the time needed,so you need to be experienced in logistics.because if you lose one day courting a girl which at the end gets away,you will have lost the chance to meet and bed another one.
so limited time approach needs speed,thinking before things happen(expecting the unexpected and being able to deal with it) and good logistics.
when you have everything inside your head you become robotic and spit your stuff.it is like the driver who sees the road and makes a forecast about what is going to happen with the other cars instead of thinking if his leg is on brake etc which is done by the inexperienced driver.
if you exercise,you will find yourself more thinking about logistics and doing natural callibration of girls' responses than what you actually tell them.
Member #2135
06-18-08, 02:11
Please help.
What is the difference between AdultFriendFinder.com and AsianFriendFinder.com?
Which is more helpful?
AColonizer
06-18-08, 21:41
Does somebody know where she is now? Maybe her name is Vika Victoria. Does somebody know how I can contact her? Please, help!
In Russia, I won't tell you how many "regulars" I have. It's embarassing... over the course of months and years it is pretty easy to assemble a small army of Amazons, nymphs and Amazonettes... :)Don't you have the problem TO manage that army without mutinies?
That's the problem in my opinion!
Of course we like to change girls, but it's an hard job to keep the "old ones" calm: they become jealous, possessive and so on.
I am talking about normal girls, of course, not about pro.
Doctor_Skank
06-19-08, 07:56
don't you have the problem TO manage that army without mutinies?
:)
that's the problem in my opinion!
of course we like to change girls, but it's an hard job to keep the "old ones"
calm: they become jealous, possessive and so on...
I am talking about normal girls, of course, not about proSurprisingly enough it isn't difficult to manage at all. In fact, I don't even try... it manages itself.
I don't have any serious jealousy/possession issues. Perhaps because I simply won't accept it and they know that I cannot be possessed. Trying to do so is the quickest way to get me to leave. Leaving is the quickest way (in most cases) to have them come chase you.
Of the existing contacts, of course some get lost over the years, many marry or enter serious relationships. Some get bored or disappointed with a casual one with me. It surprises me however how many, the majority actually, are satisfied with occasional contact, some pleasant SMSs, some mild romance and an afternoon, evening or night of sex.
Since I am always need the thrill of finding new girls, the list of contacts has gotten very long. It's impossible to maintain all relationships, but thankfully most of the relationships require very little maintenance.
Many of them still live with their parents even into their mid-20s, meaning they cannot spend the night during the week. Older Russians/Ukrainians are very conservative in this respect, the fathers much more than the mothers. This is great, since it means my nights are free to call up one of those that lives alone or with a girlfriend to come over and spend the night or have a midnight meeting.
A few have married millionaires and "almost" millionaires (seriously) and are looking to become baby factories. We maintain contact but in MOST cases nothing sexual is going on even though they lament about missing passion in their lives.
Of the unmarried, some of them mutiny, or simply fade away. Many come back, usually when in between boyfriends or when they've gotten bored with him. A lot of girls cheat on their boyfriends/husbands. A lot. It's sobering. Can't decide if they are evil for doing it or if they are just so unfulfilled in their relationships that they have to. I don't question it, but some of them insist on talking about it.
It is a self-managing system and I only make a "big" effort to maintain relations with a select few that I had a very special connection with.
Of the others, it really isn't that difficult, but unfortunately sometimes I can't mentally keep track of them all. Beyond the beauty and the sex, they are simply great girls. Warm, smart, witty and sexy. With every victory there is somewhere a loss, at least in human, emotional terms.
LifeSavour
06-19-08, 18:02
Help! I need a nice 'wing man' to keep Dasha company. She is from another city and coming to see her friend (my friend) here in Kyiv. Both 21. Speak good english, Dasha is quite nice, real blonde, sweet and best of all VERY FREE! (as in no $$)
Now I haven't 'beded' either, but if you have the apartment we can use for a small party (I live with ' O ', so I can't) WE have a 90% chance of scoring!
Let me know if you are up for it? Looking at Friday or Saturday night!
LS
Are there more ISG members living in parts of Russia or the Ukraine? An early retirement in Odessa flickers in my brain once in a while.
Does somebody know where she is now? Maybe her name is Vika Victoria. Does somebody know how I can contact her? Please, help!
Usually she is on www.flirt.com.ua she is not from Kiev but guess from Zhitomyr (saw her there too).
Tied once, but when I saw her in reality I stepped down, she must be 30 or so and she ads as 18-22 or so...
Asked for 300 USD/night anal included
The pic must be 5 or 6 years old at least!!!
IT
Hi All,
Can anybody tell me whether Hotel Lubid is girl friendly?
Also do they have thier own girls there?
Cheers,
Crompton
DoctorOral
06-23-08, 08:24
Lybid hotel is gf, but you have to either book a double room right from the start or pay the girls stay and have her sign in.
FORGET the girls in house, they are shit!
Did someone make experiences with this service?
http://escort-models.kiev.ua/en-kiev-escorts-girls-gallary.html#start
It seems to me as a fake, but the girls look hot and the prices are payable.
Where were you 3 weeks ago?? :)
I'd help you out, but I'm stuck in Luxemboring.
Help! I need a nice 'wing man' to keep Dasha company. She is from another city and coming to see her friend (my friend) here in Kyiv. Both 21. Speak good english, Dasha is quite nice, real blonde, sweet and best of all VERY FREE! (as in no $$)
Now I haven't 'beded' either, but if you have the apartment we can use for a small party (I live with ' O ', so I can't) WE have a 90% chance of scoring!
Let me know if you are up for it? Looking at Friday or Saturday night!
LS
So Brandon, how was Kyiv?
And yes Gesteo you have about zero chance of the girls in the pictures on that website showing up.
I was in Kiev end of June for 5 days.
First off things here are not cheap anymore in Kiev and there is a hotel shortage and you will pay exorbitant prices for good hotel of which there are only a handful (Hyatt $967/night, Radisson $639/night). Best alternative is renting apartment.
The short term p4p may not be worth coming here for. While there are some attractive escort girls around they charge very high prices ($300/hour).
I did experience a nice place for erotic massage Rakuena (US $80 for 1 hour). However it is difficult to find even with the address and a map. There are no signs when you arrive and not many people speak good enough English to help out. (It always turned into a hassle when trying to find something in Kiev)
One thing I really liked about Kiev is it is a beautiful city and the weather was really nice while I was there. Also there are plenty of excellent places to eat (restaurants, bakeries, fine teas, etc.)
Conclusion--would not be on my top ten lists to visit. Better places around and they need put afew more signs in English and build plenty more hotels.
Sevastopol1
06-27-08, 11:59
I was in Kiev end of June for 5 days.
First off things here are not cheap anymore in Kiev and there is a hotel shortage and you will pay exorbitant prices for good hotel of which there are only a handful (Hyatt $967/night, Radisson $639/night). Best alternative is renting apartment.
The short term p4p may not be worth coming here for. While there are some attractive escort girls around they charge very high prices ($300/hour).
I did experience a nice place for erotic massage Rakuena (US $80 for 1 hour). However it is difficult to find even with the address and a map. There are no signs when you arrive and not many people speak good enough English to help out. (It always turned into a hassle when trying to find something in Kiev)
One thing I really liked about Kiev is it is a beautiful city and the weather was really nice while I was there. Also there are plenty of excellent places to eat (restaurants, bakeries, fine teas, etc.)
Conclusion--would not be on my top ten lists to visit. Better places around and they need put afew more signs in English and build plenty more hotels.
Good post, perhaps many readers of this forum need to understand Ukraine is not Benidorm, Blackpool, LA, Miama or Sydney and will not be for the foreseable future!
I am not an authourity on Kiev or many cities in Ukraine, but having lived here in the Ukraine for a few years beware and understand, this is a developing country and unless you understand Russian/Ukrainian!! You will struggle to communicate with many of the people.
Regards to all
Horn, if you had read the forum first you would have learned things haven't been cheap in Kyiv since 2004-2005 (Orange Revolution, Eurovision) but the real ground work for it was laid it 2003 when petro prices took off.
With inflation being rampant in Kyiv/wordwide (and for the Americans, the dollar being so weak) if you are a casual traveler or a sexpat I would write Kyiv off for another two years. When the petro market pops and the Russian/Ukrainian economy collapses then it will be time to start visitng Kyiv as a sexpat again.
Going to Kyiv or Odessa without speaking Russian is fine, you will just find things slightly more difficult. However if you go any place else in Ukraine without some basic to moderate Russian skills you are just wasting your time.
As far as paying $300/hr for a girl in Kyiv. You can get a world class ho in NYC or any first class city for that price. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to Kyiv or Moscow for that price...
Sevastopol, the next time I'm trolling the clubs of that fine city we'll have to meet. :)
DJ FourMoney
06-28-08, 05:59
Horn, if you had read the forum first you would have learned things haven't been cheap in Kyiv since 2004-2005 (Orange Revolution, Eurovision) but the real ground work for it was laid it 2003 when petro prices took off.
With inflation being rampant in Kyiv/wordwide (and for the Americans, the dollar being so weak) if you are a casual traveler or a sexpat I would write Kyiv off for another two years. When the petro market pops and the Russian/Ukrainian economy collapses then it will be time to start visitng Kyiv as a sexpat again.
Going to Kyiv or Odessa without speaking Russian is fine, you will just find things slightly more difficult. However if you go any place else in Ukraine without some basic to moderate Russian skills you are just wasting your time.
As far as paying $300/hr for a girl in Kyiv. You can get a world class ho in NYC or any first class city for that price. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to Kyiv or Moscow for that price...
Sevastopol, the next time I'm trolling the clubs of that fine city we'll have to meet. :)
I would agree with all the above, your main reason for going to Kiev if you don't have any contacts ahead of time (which would be stupid) is to find a wife....
For mongering your better off in German FKK's especially if you want to bang Slavic women, there plenty in them and just as pretty and way more affordable.
I would almost say none of the FSS (former soviet states) or Russia are excellent places for mongering for complete newbies and I'm not saying I'm an expert, but having been to Kiev, been offered sex for $150US from a semi-pro to $250US for River Palace cutie, that was more than I was willing to pay and I'm not rich by any measurement.
The Golden Days are over and running off into unexplored territory (Moldova, Georgia and other "tiny" villages, less known cities) is just a waste of your time and money if you hope to score without any knowledge of the language or a local "guide".
And yes next time RTFF!
AColonizer
06-29-08, 18:50
Who helps us? This is one more stupid reply that I have received (please, Jackson, in Russian too):
http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=222174953
Привет. Я очень интересуюсь, чтобы встретить Вас. :-)
Hi. I am very interested to meet you.
Что и когда конкретно Вам интересно?
What and when are you interested in?
я люблю оральный секс без презерватива
I like oral sex without condom
нет
no
что Вы любите преуспеть?
What are you good at?
Миньет с презервативом, классика, анал, стриптиз, массаж.
300$ - час
500$ - 2 часа
1000$ - ночь
80678960532
blowjob with condom, pussy, ass, strip-tease, massage
300$ - 1 hour
500$ - 2 hours
1000$ - night
I sometimes read prices of prostitutes in Moscow and they seem much much much more cheaper!!! And with a higher quality of sex services!!! Definitely, this is the best way to keep far all foreigners!!!
GreenRoamer
06-30-08, 17:00
I was in Kiev end of June for 5 days.
First off things here are not cheap anymore in Kiev and there is a hotel shortage and you will pay exorbitant prices for good hotel of which there are only a handful (Hyatt $967/night, Radisson $639/night). Best alternative is renting apartment.
The short term p4p may not be worth coming here for. While there are some attractive escort girls around they charge very high prices ($300/hour).
I did experience a nice place for erotic massage Rakuena (US $80 for 1 hour). However it is difficult to find even with the address and a map. There are no signs when you arrive and not many people speak good enough English to help out. (It always turned into a hassle when trying to find something in Kiev)
One thing I really liked about Kiev is it is a beautiful city and the weather was really nice while I was there. Also there are plenty of excellent places to eat (restaurants, bakeries, fine teas, etc.)
Conclusion--would not be on my top ten lists to visit. Better places around and they need put afew more signs in English and build plenty more hotels.
I agree the Rakuena is difficult to find, it took me three attempts! You have to follow their instructions exactly as there is no sign. Good once you are there, but little or no contact with masseuse was encouraged other than HJ.
I'll be in Kiev this month, and have found some other massage places on the web:
Angel, 169 Gorky Street
Salon Glamour, Puskinskaja Street
Salon Dolly, Beseina Street
Does anyone have any experiences at these places?
AColonizer
06-30-08, 22:04
Sorry, I wrote wrong. This is the correct link:
http://flirt.com.ua/Afroditta111/
Who helps us? This is one more stupid reply that I have received (please, Jackson, in Russian too):
http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=222174953
Привет. Я очень интересуюсь, чтобы встретить Вас. :-)
Hi. I am very interested to meet you.
Что и когда конкретно Вам интересно?
What and when are you interested in?
я люблю оральный секс без презерватива
I like oral sex without condom
нет
no
что Вы любите преуспеть?
What are you good at?
Миньет с презервативом, классика, анал, стриптиз, массаж.
300$ - час
500$ - 2 часа
1000$ - ночь
80678960532
blowjob with condom, pussy, ass, strip-tease, massage
300$ - 1 hour
500$ - 2 hours
1000$ - night
I sometimes read prices of prostitutes in Moscow and they seem much much much more cheaper!!! And with a higher quality of sex services!!! Definitely, this is the best way to keep far all foreigners!!!
AColonizer
06-30-08, 22:08
Everything was already said. Use the "search" tool.
I agree the Rakuena is difficult to find, it took me three attempts! You have to follow their instructions exactly as there is no sign. Good once you are there, but little or no contact with masseuse was encouraged other than HJ.
I'll be in Kiev this month, and have found some other massage places on the web:
Angel, 169 Gorky Street
Salon Glamour, Puskinskaja Street
Salon Dolly, Beseina Street
Does anyone have any experiences at these places?
GreenRoamer
07-01-08, 19:58
Everything was already said. Use the "search" tool.
Actually they do not come in a search, so try checking your facts first. And if "everything was said already" there would seem little point to this forum?
Mauriceyep
07-02-08, 20:55
Angel, 169 Gorky Street
Salon Glamour, Puskinskaja Street
Salon Dolly, Beseina StreetI have been in massagesalon Idzanami (Pushkins’ka 19B, tel. 237 89 26) 1,5 years ago. I suppose it is now called Salon Glamour!
They do the massages in an appartment in a normal appartmentblock. I asked people where can I find this massagesalon: nobody knew:)! I have been there 3 times and had very good massages for a very reasonable price. Beautiful girls and only one girl spoke english ... who cares :)
It is only 300 metres from the metro station Treatral'na, and probably 800 metres from Kreschatyk. Good luck!
AColonizer
07-03-08, 10:54
I know ukrainians asked for blowjobs and they got them both in salons and stripbars between 200 to 400 GRIVNAS. I have already written some detailed posts. If you are in Kiev for massage and pussy fuck only, please stay at home because you will be disappointed about prices, service quality is decreasing and price level is increasing. In fact, it is one year I try to stop forum readers to pay too much money to girls but nobody listen to me. Now, a stupid pussy fuck for a hour is between 100$-150$, more than in Italy. Add airplane fare and flat rent, (low quality) sex in Kiev costs as in Australia.
Thanks men!
If you didn't understand, Slavic women are famous for their swallow deep throat blowjobs. If you didn't find any girl for that, this means women fraud your money.
Actually they do not come in a search, so try checking your facts first. And if "everything was said already" there would seem little point to this forum?
Which strip clubs are these AC?
Hi!
I will be visiting Kiev at the end of the week. I have found a couple of ladies on Flirt.ru looking for sponsorship. The deal: be my "girlfriend" and I will provide financial assistance.
2 of them (20 and 24 yo) are asking for 1500 USD for 3 days (all day), the last one (26 yo) the same price for 5 days.
What do you think about those prices?
Street Sleuth
07-08-08, 16:05
I haven't chimed in here for awhile. I've been in Kiev for awhile, so mostly do the local thing - local freebies, as well as some P4P w/Russian speaking only girls, to be found on various websites (much cheaper than RP, but quality not always as good).
In any event - I have a sizable apartment, and a decent database of info (stored in my aging head). If anyone is headed to kiev for a short jaunt, and needs a relatively cheap, 'liberal' place to stay, send me a private message.
Street Sleuth
07-08-08, 16:09
Rozan,
The girls posting 'sponsorship' - if you are only in kiev a short while, they aren't really for you. They will want all the money up front, and Ukrainians aren't known for the honesty/service.
You are better off with the one hour straight forward girls on flirt - there are oodles of them, typically around $100/hour. Some good quality, some not.
AColonizer
07-08-08, 17:13
Yes, saint words! You will meet the lady in person and take her in your flat. Here, you will look at the lady's body very well and you will ask about "services" and you won't be afraid about "embarassing" questions because, as Street Sleuth wrote, "Ukrainians aren't known for the honesty/service". Ask about no-condom blowjobs and anal sex because they are normal sex in all sex meetings. Will the lady reply "niet"? OK, don't worry, say "no respect of me, no money to you" and kick her out the flat. Please, don't worry because we, all forumers, are sure she will provide bad sex and she will waste your money. In this way, you will contribute to decrease girls' prices in Kiev. Otherwise, the next time, you will pay 150$/first hour for an easy pussy fuck.
Rozan,
The girls posting 'sponsorship' - if you are only in kiev a short while, they aren't really for you. They will want all the money up front, and Ukrainians aren't known for the honesty/service.
You are better off with the one hour straight forward girls on flirt - there are oodles of them, typically around $100/hour. Some good quality, some not.
AC wow I can see why you are a real hit with the women, jaded to say the least..... you seem to get a shit deal everytime you come to Ukraine why not just stay home and save money? or perhaps you have the same problem at home? bad service? bad girls?
Ever thought your shitty approach rubs the girls up to start? and thats why you are treated in such a way?
I would guess so.
To those in Ukraine for the first or five hundreth time dont take his posts to heart.............. you get out what you put in!
So make the effort and enjoy the times, dont and just stay home!
What about Gia ? It is a long time I saw no report about this agency, back feedbacks or what ? what I like in Gia, you see in advance which services girl provides.
Any other agency we can trust in Kiev about escort girls ?
Spasibo..
Luka, GIA has been covered ad nasuem here. Below average girls at above average prices.
Street, is the apartment a western remodel? Where is it located?
Rozan, you can still sponsor a girl for $1500/month so you tell me if you are getting a good deal at 3 days...
AColonizer
07-09-08, 09:15
Who are you? One more pimp that advertises here? I know what is "the work" better than you.
Money is the most important matter in life. And women, all kind of women, know that! You are free to be generous with prostitutes, because you are thinking with your own penis, of course.
Approach? Are you joking? OK, we, me too, can be a gentleman. But what do I usually see? When prostitutes need money, they make swallow blowjobs to old and dirty men with no approach, just men say "I want swallow blowjobs, 30 euros". I really laugh when I read that some people dress smart to meet prostitutes. Do you want a prostitute or a wife? The difference is the respect! A prostitute doesn't mind of you at all, you pay her and that's it! You could die one minute later the fuck, on the same bed, and she has already forgotten you: you are crazy, why have men to be a gentleman with prostitutes? Maybe you like to play as a gentleman, but you pay the time to play as a gentleman and not to have sex: good deal, sure!
And about services in Kiev? You come to Italy (and, perhaps, in all over the world) and all Ukrainian prostitutes make no-condom blowjobs. Why? Try to switch your brain on!
AC wow I can see why you are a real hit with the women, jaded to say the least. You seem to get a shit deal everytime you come to Ukraine why not just stay home and save money? Or perhaps you have the same problem at home? Bad service? Bad girls?
Ever thought your shitty approach rubs the girls up to start? And thats why you are treated in such a way?
I would guess so.
To those in Ukraine for the first or five hundreth time don't take his posts to heart. You get out what you put in!
So make the effort and enjoy the times, don't and just stay home!
Hi!
I will be visiting Kiev at the end of the week. I have found a couple of ladies on Flirt.ru looking for sponsorship. The deal: be my "girlfriend" and I will provide financial assistance.
2 of them (20 and 24 yo) are asking for 1500 USD for 3 days (all day), the last one (26 yo) the same price for 5 days.
What do you think about those prices?To give you a comparison I found a girl which is asking for 100$ per day and 100$ for each of her girlfriends per day.So it is 300$ for 3 girls for the whole day.
Who are you? One more pimp that advertises here? I know what is "the work" better than you.
Money is the most important matter in life. And women, all kind of women, know that! You are free to be generous with prostitutes, because you are thinking with your own penis, of course.
Approach? Are you joking? OK, we, me too, can be a gentleman. But what do I usually see? When prostitutes need money, they make swallow blowjobs to old and dirty men with no approach, just men say "I want swallow blowjobs, 30 euros". I really laugh when I read that some people dress smart to meet prostitutes. Do you want a prostitute or a wife? The difference is the respect! A prostitute doesn't mind of you at all, you pay her and that's it! You could die one minute later the fuck, on the same bed, and she has already forgotten you: you are crazy, why have men to be a gentleman with prostitutes? Maybe you like to play as a gentleman, but you pay the time to play as a gentleman and not to have sex: good deal, sure!
And about services in Kiev? You come to Italy (and, perhaps, in all over the world) and all Ukrainian prostitutes make no-condom blowjobs. Why? Try to switch your brain on!
Pimp? Well before we get into a real nasty argument I will not respond to your insult.
I confirm every time I read your posts it’s always negative about Ukraine and how you can’t get bbj and anal sex off all hookers you meet.
If Ukraine is so bad stay home! Don’t come here! It’s really that simple.
Market forces are a thing here….
So you come here spouting real anger towards women here and hookers and you seem to think because you are paying money they should do what you tell them?????
If you want the best out of anyone who works for you there must be a relationship of mutual understanding…… but obviously with your mindset you have never managed a single person…. If you have god help them.
Keep on smiling!!!!!!!!! ;)
Gentleman Travel
07-10-08, 21:40
Money is the most important matter in life. And women, all kind of women, know that! You are free to be generous with prostitutes, because you are thinking with your own penis, of course.
Approach? Are you joking? OK, we, me too, can be a gentleman.... Do you want a prostitute or a wife? The difference is the respect! A prostitute doesn't mind of you at all, you pay her and that's it!
I disagree. I admit I do not have a lot of experience with prostitutes, or P4P as most of us refer to it here, but I think your attitude and approach can make a lot of difference, especially in Ukraine, where there are a lot of relatively "normal" girls hustling for a little extra money. They are not all harden hookers.
Based on my own experience and many of the stories recounted here, I see a lot of evidence that treating a semi-pro well can lead to better treatment in return. Of course there are exceptions and girls who view every guy as a "mark" to be exploited to the max, but there is also a world of working girls out there who will tailor their attitude and service level to suit yours.
Same is true with strippers. Some girls just go through the motions no matter what, but some girls will give you a better time if you treat them well. Same is true with any service profession.
Sure you have to make sure you get what you pay for, but sometimes you also get what you deserve (for better or for worse).
Explorer69
07-11-08, 00:40
Who are you? One more pimp that advertises here? I know what is "the work" better than you.
Money is the most important matter in life. And women, all kind of women, know that! You are free to be generous with prostitutes, because you are thinking with your own penis, of course.
Approach? Are you joking? OK, we, me too, can be a gentleman. But what do I usually see? When prostitutes need money, they make swallow blowjobs to old and dirty men with no approach, just men say "I want swallow blowjobs, 30 euros". I really laugh when I read that some people dress smart to meet prostitutes. Do you want a prostitute or a wife? The difference is the respect! A prostitute doesn't mind of you at all, you pay her and that's it! You could die one minute later the fuck, on the same bed, and she has already forgotten you: you are crazy, why have men to be a gentleman with prostitutes? Maybe you like to play as a gentleman, but you pay the time to play as a gentleman and not to have sex: good deal, sure!
And about services in Kiev? You come to Italy (and, perhaps, in all over the world) and all Ukrainian prostitutes make no-condom blowjobs. Why? Try to switch your brain on!I am rather shocked by this attitude! You are far out and very wrong! My experience are that if you treat girls well, it may be either pros - or specially semipros, the treatment you receive back is much better. If you start pushing them, what you get back is bad. Of course now and then you meet the wrong girl, but if you you think it gets much better by playing tough and strong, then you have missed something important. Treat them like a lady and you get a hot (and sometimes very tender!) sex partner in return. Smile to the world and the world will smile to you!
AColonizer
07-11-08, 01:01
I always say: it is not important my opinion (or your opinions) but it is important the reality. I reply you all: illusions, just illusions, illusions only.
I know your cases very well. I know what prostitutes think, too.
First of all, I agree approach is important but I add gentleman style is often not good.
I am sure most mongers are gentlemen. If it is true that approach is very important, girls should not raise their prices because this is a way to thank for your gentleman style. Instead, girls continue to raise prices year by year (or quarter by quarter). And you continue to think your gentleman style is good. Ridicolous!
When a man behaves as a gentleman, he shows himself to girls that he can do everything for them. And therefore girls, for their own natural instinct, take advantage of gentlemen in a cynical way. Therefore prices go to the sky.
I did my duty with everybody. If you want to continue to waste your money. that's your right.
I always say: it is not important my opinion (or your opinions) but it is important the reality. I reply you all: illusions, just illusions, illusions only.
I know your cases very well. I know what prostitutes think, too.
First of all, I agree approach is important but I add gentleman style is often not good.
I am sure most mongers are gentlemen. If it is true that approach is very important, girls should not raise their prices because this is a way to thank for your gentleman style. Instead, girls continue to raise prices year by year (or quarter by quarter). And you continue to think your gentleman style is good. Ridicolous!
When a man behaves as a gentleman, he shows himself to girls that he can do everything for them. And therefore girls, for their own natural instinct, take advantage of gentlemen in a cynical way. Therefore prices go to the sky.
I did my duty with everybody. If you want to continue to waste your money. that's your right.You do not need gentleman attitude.You need pimp attitude.This comes with experience.You have to quickly callibrate each girl,search their limits etc.
To give you a comparison I found a girl which is asking for 100$ per day and 100$ for each of her girlfriends per day.So it is 300$ for 3 girls for the whole day.
Hi Hecker!
How are these gals???
Let me know more, they might be for me next time in Kiev, eventually PM me as you know...
IT
AColonizer
07-13-08, 23:48
Hey Hecker,
Did you read the previous posts? I mean the same behaviour you wrote. The problem is that a lot of forumers are still sure "more you are generous, and more you get". And these people have inflationed the market. For example, you find girls for 100$/day but 75% girls, on Internet and in places like River Palace, want at least 100$/hour. I am trying to stop this trend but it is not possible when most men are happy to be fucked their wallets.
You do not need gentleman attitude.You need pimp attitude.This comes with experience.You have to quickly callibrate each girl,search their limits etc.
Luka, GIA has been covered ad nasuem here. Below average girls at above average prices...
Cruiser I believe, but so far, Gia it is the only one escort service, no scam, I found in Kiev....have I to search better or simply even if it is not the best value money, but it is the only one ?
Thanks..
Try the apartments. You can meet and talk to the girl you want to take home.
Gentleman Travel
07-14-08, 15:21
The problem is that a lot of forumers are still sure "more you are generous, and more you get". And these people have inflationed the market. For example, you find girls for 100$/day but 75% girls, on Internet and in places like River Palace, want at least 100$/hour. I am trying to stop this trend but it is not possible when most men are happy to be fucked their wallets.
I don't think very many guys here are saying "the more you spend, the more you get".
I think many are saying, treat a girl, even a pro, decently and she may give you better service, or a better experience in return. But treat her like a ***** and she will act like a *****.
AColonizer
07-15-08, 00:32
Oh my god. She may give a good service for the first time but it is sure next times, more you treat her like a princess and more she fucks your money. Please, use the same girls' method: be always smiling and always cheat people.
Moreover, market prices speak up: most girls ask for 100$/hour because most men pay 100$/hour.
I have my own statistics and I can say that you are definitely wrong, this is the reality and not personal illusions.
You will be right when prostitutes give discounts because customers are polite with them.
I don't think very many guys here are saying "the more you spend, the more you get".
I think many are saying, treat a girl, even a pro, decently and she may give you better service, or a better experience in return. But treat her like a ***** and she will act like a *****.
AColonizer
07-15-08, 00:45
I wonder where is the time in which forumers were talking about swallow blowjobs, wild anals, fistings, bondages and gangbangs more than GGG/666? It seems there are only wussies here.
Low cost carriers Wizzair have arrived in Kiev and set up their latest European base at Borispol Airport, in a move that should radically change the transport set up of this emerging 'New European' nation. From July 2008 residents of the Ukraine will be able to jet about the country to Lviv, Odessa and Simferopol, for as little as 79 UAH.
What's more, these pink and purple pioneers of the skies, will begin international operations to and from the Ukrainian capital from September this year. The good citizens of London (Luton), Dortmund and Milan (Bergamo) will be amongst the first to have the chance to sample Kiev's amazing mix of ancient and modern charms.
DJ FourMoney
07-21-08, 10:24
Low cost carriers Wizzair have arrived in Kiev and set up their latest European base at Borispol Airport, in a move that should radically change the transport set up of this emerging 'New European' nation. From July 2008 residents of the Ukraine will be able to jet about the country to Lviv, Odessa and Simferopol, for as little as 79 UAH.
What's more, these pink and purple pioneers of the skies, will begin international operations to and from the Ukrainian capital from September this year. The good citizens of London (Luton), Dortmund and Milan (Bergamo) will be amongst the first to have the chance to sample Kiev's amazing mix of ancient and modern charms.
I say its only bad if you want to keep mongering to a limited few + locals.
For me it looks like it will be cheaper to go to Kiev next time than last time....
Low cost carriers Wizzair have arrived in Kiev and set up their latest European base at Borispol Airport, in a move that should radically change the transport set up of this emerging 'New European' nation. From July 2008 residents of the Ukraine will be able to jet about the country to Lviv, Odessa and Simferopol, for as little as 79 UAH.
What's more, these pink and purple pioneers of the skies, will begin international operations to and from the Ukrainian capital from September this year. The good citizens of London (Luton), Dortmund and Milan (Bergamo) will be amongst the first to have the chance to sample Kiev's amazing mix of ancient and modern charms.
If this results in groups of Brits steaming into Kiev for Stag Parties then it's over, and I speak as a Brit, Trust Me it's Over !
I agree, once all the 'stag parties' start arriving from the UK (+elsewhere) Ukraine will be finished as we have known and enjoyed it for years!
Such a shame it will soon be ruined! (Likewise Dubai finished)
Time to find another gem off the beaten path?
Doctor_Skank
07-21-08, 18:45
If this results in groups of Brits steaming into Kiev for Stag Parties then it's over, and I speak as a Brit, Trust Me it's Over !Agreed... throw in some Germans from Dortmund and Italians from Bergamo and it's truly over.
The drunken grope factor will drive away even the most Western-curious devage.
Those that are left will have Euros stuffed up their asses by idiot touristsov
Carnevalisticus
07-21-08, 18:53
You are right, and I speak as a german. When these groups you mentioned arrive, wether its in Ukraina or Moldova or whereever, its the beginning of the end.
Cheers,
C.
DJ FourMoney
07-22-08, 02:22
Agreed... throw in some Germans from Dortmund and Italians from Bergamo and it's truly over.
The drunken grope factor will drive away even the most Western-curious devage.
Those that are left will have Euros stuffed up their asses by idiot touristsov
Okay let's be serious about this....
If they are coming NOW because its cheap to get there, they are value mongers (cheapskates!). Are they willing to pay RP prices? Highly unlikely. Will they hang out at the local discos and hot spots trying to pull local talent? Yes, if that's your hunting grounds, you have more competition/headaches.
Give the ladies some credit here, they understand if your in Kiev its likely your a sex tourist anyway or looking for a bride and if your in Shooters then its your night-off or your really not that serious about it or your just looking for easy and cheap or even free pussy.
That being said, for those like me that would ONLY return to Kiev to continue the courting ritual from some lady you met online or visiting Kherson to go to some Americans marriage agency, this has no effect on you.
Drunk chaps from Sussex or Heliborn won't get in your way very much and if your like me and was one of maybe 5 people on a Ukrainian Air Airbus that speaks English, you could have some friendly and interesting conversations while en route, so stop with the gloom and doom already, the Golden Days were over about 5 years ago, you already have a black book full of contacts most will never meet these drunkards from WizzAir's extended service to Kiev...
All said with tounge firmly planted in cheek...
Low cost carriers Wizzair have arrived in Kiev and set up their latest European base at Borispol Airport, in a move that should radically change the transport set up of this emerging 'New European' nation. From July 2008 residents of the Ukraine will be able to jet about the country to Lviv, Odessa and Simferopol, for as little as 79 UAH.
What's more, these pink and purple pioneers of the skies, will begin international operations to and from the Ukrainian capital from September this year. The good citizens of London (Luton), Dortmund and Milan (Bergamo) will be amongst the first to have the chance to sample Kiev's amazing mix of ancient and modern charms.I think West Euros have always been able to get good deals on excurisions to the FSU, and my guess is that travel won't increase because of this new lost cost carrier. On another note, I live in East Ukraine and the (travel) agents I spoken with have mentioned that travel from westerners to the FSU have decreased closed to 50 percent from last year this time, maybe this is due to the novelty of visiting the FSU is wearing off or the monkey shit economy, maybe a little bit of both.
Doctor_Skank
07-23-08, 08:25
I think West Euros have always been able to get good deals on excurisions to the FSU, and my guess is that travel won't increase because of this new lost cost carrier. On another note, I live in East Ukraine and the (travel) agents I spoken with have mentioned that travel from westerners to the FSU have decreased closed to 50 percent from last year this time, maybe this is due to the novelty of visiting the FSU is wearing off or the monkey shit economy, maybe a little bit of both.Travel to UKR isn't cheap or easy compared to other places, as there are relatively few direct flights to Kiev (or other places) and even though those flights aren't particularly expensive, they aren't particularly cheap either. For example Prague, Tallinn etc. are much cheaper and easier to reach.
It will make a difference. It's just a question of time anyway and we'll deal with it when it happens.
If they are coming NOW because its cheap to get there, they are value mongers (cheapskates!). Are they willing to pay RP prices? Highly unlikely. Will they hang out at the local discos and hot spots trying to pull local talent? Yes, if that's your hunting grounds, you have more competition/headaches.
Give the ladies some credit here, they understand if your in Kiev its likely your a sex tourist anyway or looking for a bride and if your in Shooters then its your night-off or your really not that serious about it or your just looking for easy and cheap or even free pussy....It might have one advantage if cheap-o tourists do end up encouraging a more accessible cheap-o sex market. But there are really almost only disadvantages to cities become tourist attractions for working-class and stag party type tourists. They just get on everybody's nerves.
DJ FourMoney
07-23-08, 09:45
Travel to UKR isn't cheap or easy compared to other places, as there are relatively few direct flights to Kiev (or other places) and even though those flights aren't particularly expensive, they aren't particularly cheap either. For example Prague, Tallinn etc. are much cheaper and easier to reach.
It will make a difference. It's just a question of time anyway and we'll deal with it when it happens.It might have one advantage if cheap-o tourists do end up encouraging a more accessible cheap-o sex market. But there are really almost only disadvantages to cities become tourist attractions for working-class and stag party type tourists. They just get on everybody's nerves.
Loud Blokes and Americans seem to get on everybody's nerves hmmmm....
Stag Party types? Hmmm, as I said the city's best offerings are highly expensive by Stag Party standards. Those are the easiest to find. Only those with local connections or can read or speak Ukrainian or Russian can find the cheap lays. Most of them are going to be in the city center anyway and yes that is an anoyance.
I think they'll stick to Prague frankly; Tallinn I've heard is a WASHOUT as Professional Daters have ruined the freebie market (not if you want something more lasting but it will take a few weeks for the panties to drop).
Is there a place on the planet not ruined by Professional Daters or Stag Party types???
Minisk?
Since 50 has moved out of Alamty, I would say that place might be safe if you want Slavic punai straight up or with a Saki twist and isn't infested with all the types that tend to ruin "markets".
C'mon Doc, there has to be a skinny slav girl with your name on it ready to be Mrs Skank...lol
I hear some guys say the Czech Republic sucks I hear some guys say the Ukraine sucks. I am not worried about prices. What is the best place in Eastern Europe to get native girls to do something strange for a piece of change? I am Black so I know that will be a factor and yes I have read the fucking forum.
Doctor_Skank
07-23-08, 10:12
I hear some guys say the Czech Republic sucks I hear some guys say the Ukraine sucks. I am not worried about prices. What is the best place in Eastern Europe to get native girls to do something strange for a piece of change? I am Black so I know that will be a factor and yes I have read the fucking forum.Depends on what you want. If it is "just" sex in 30 min to 60 min sessions, your best bet may actually be German FKKs... plenty of EE action there and especially in Frankfurt, little or no racial stress AFAIK. Affordable prices.
Even cheaper are German RLDs and Laufhäuser. Quicky type 15 minute action can be had in red light districts for as little at 30 €.
For overnight, takeout or longer sessions you're better off in EE, but will likely run into some racial issues now and then.
Furthermore, as DJ4$ said, EE can be a bit tougher to navigate for those who don't speak the local lingo. Easy to find options are increasingly cost-prohibitive.
C'mon Doc, there has to be a skinny slav girl with your name on it ready to be Mrs Skank...lolIf I were inclined to take a bride, I could've been married 30 times over by now... :)
I just know I couldn't be satisfied with just one though, so why marry... maybe in 10 years or so. Maybe.
DJ FourMoney
07-23-08, 10:33
I hear some guys say the Czech Republic sucks I hear some guys say the Ukraine sucks. I am not worried about prices. What is the best place in Eastern Europe to get native girls to do something strange for a piece of change? I am Black so I know that will be a factor and yes I have read the fucking forum.
As a Black Man, let me say this loud and clear so you understand.
I do not proclaim to be an expert but having been there, I can say this -
Your Euros are better spent in Germany, per Doctor's orders!
P4P is hard to find (in Ukraine), at least for those budget minded mongers. Having said that, I did go to River Palace, but unless you like high prices ($250-300US), to be frank don't go, but its worth it just to look. You'll find Slavic girls just as attractive in Germany and I really do MEAN that.
I did get an offer from a semi-pro - $150 but did not partake. Fucking her would be been nice, but I thought it was legit before the offer so I declined based on that, not on prices or attractiveness.
You can find P4P for well under 100US in Kiev for example but you really need to speak the local language and that pretty much goes for every FSU country, even that ones that are apart of the EU save for Czech Republic, where English is widely spoken by most people in Prague.
Some places (countries) are cheaper, but service is shitty and selection is even worst, just how many times does somebody have to post that before you believe its true? (Slovakia, Estonia, Romania) You could go the path of the less traveled (Kazakhstan, Moldova, Georgia, Bosnia) and might find a worthy candidate to be your wife before you hit on some P4P worth your dollars (not worth much these days, are you being paid in Euros?).
Too much effort if you ask me and I don't care how cheap Wizzair is....
I highly suggest you scope the FKK boards, you'll find what your looking for and at reasonable prices and GFE or PSE is EASY to find and expected by most customers so they tend to deliver and its LEGAL!
Dear friend...
You never say for what you get offer and for what you pay... 300 USD can be an enormous price or a ridicolus one...
That is the matter: what you pay for? 10 min? 2 hours? 1 day with BBBJ and CIM???
That is all the problem
IT
As a Black Man, let me say this loud and clear so you understand.
I do not proclaim to be an expert but having been there, I can say this -
Your Euros are better spent in Germany, per Doctor's orders!
P4P is hard to find (in Ukraine), at least for those budget minded mongers. Having said that, I did go to River Palace, but unless you like high prices ($250-300US), to be frank don't go, but its worth it just to look. You'll find Slavic girls just as attractive in Germany and I really do MEAN that.
I did get an offer from a semi-pro - $150 but did not partake. Fucking her would be been nice, but I thought it was legit before the offer so I declined based on that, not on prices or attractiveness.
You can find P4P for well under 100US in Kiev for example but you really need to speak the local language and that pretty much goes for every FSU country, even that ones that are apart of the EU save for Czech Republic, where English is widely spoken by most people in Prague.
Some places (countries) are cheaper, but service is shitty and selection is even worst, just how many times does somebody have to post that before you believe its true? (Slovakia, Estonia, Romania) You could go the path of the less traveled (Kazakhstan, Moldova, Georgia, Bosnia) and might find a worthy candidate to be your wife before you hit on some P4P worth your dollars (not worth much these days, are you being paid in Euros?).
Too much effort if you ask me and I don't care how cheap Wizzair is....
I highly suggest you scope the FKK boards, you'll find what your looking for and at reasonable prices and GFE or PSE is EASY to find and expected by most customers so they tend to deliver and its LEGAL!
DJ FourMoney
07-24-08, 07:22
Dear friend...
You never say for what you get offer and for what you pay... 300 USD can be an enormous price or a ridicolus one...
That is the matter: what you pay for? 10 min? 2 hours? 1 day with BBBJ and CIM???
That is all the problem
IT
Opps I failed to mention that..lol
Yes it could be a quickie or several hours, YMMV
The girl I asked gave me a price, said as long as I wanted but didn't offer any extras and wanted $250.
Its been mentioned here several times, it was bad and 20 mins, others report she was there until they kicked them out.
With FKK's you much more likely to hit GFE or PSE as long as you don't look like Puff The Magic Dragon...
As a Black Man, let me say this loud and clear so you understand.
I do not proclaim to be an expert but having been there, I can say this -
Your Euros are better spent in Germany, per Doctor's orders!
P4P is hard to find (in Ukraine), at least for those budget minded mongers. Having said that, I did go to River Palace, but unless you like high prices ($250-300US), to be frank don't go, but its worth it just to look. You'll find Slavic girls just as attractive in Germany and I really do MEAN that.
I did get an offer from a semi-pro - $150 but did not partake. Fucking her would be been nice, but I thought it was legit before the offer so I declined based on that, not on prices or attractiveness.
You can find P4P for well under 100US in Kiev for example but you really need to speak the local language and that pretty much goes for every FSU country, even that ones that are apart of the EU save for Czech Republic, where English is widely spoken by most people in Prague.
Some places (countries) are cheaper, but service is shitty and selection is even worst, just how many times does somebody have to post that before you believe its true? (Slovakia, Estonia, Romania) You could go the path of the less traveled (Kazakhstan, Moldova, Georgia, Bosnia) and might find a worthy candidate to be your wife before you hit on some P4P worth your dollars (not worth much these days, are you being paid in Euros?).
Too much effort if you ask me and I don't care how cheap Wizzair is....
I highly suggest you scope the FKK boards, you'll find what your looking for and at reasonable prices and GFE or PSE is EASY to find and expected by most customers so they tend to deliver and its LEGAL!
Germany sounds good to go. But isn't it oversaturated with "clients" considering the US military is there in great numbers? I was looking to kind of go off the beaten path.....
D Etat, I don't think the US military has had much of an effect on the Germany economy since the end of the Cold War.
And as far as the on going debate about whether Kyiv will become a stag destination for Western Europe. Although the Kyiv police keep a much lower profile then their bothers in Moscow. I think that would quickly change if they are provoked or tempted with easy targets. Not only that where would they stay? 150-200 euro apartments? 400 euros at the Hyatt? Don't think so. I'm more concerned about making it easier to access for serial daters and sexpats. Not that I am worried about the competition, they just drive the prices up.
Doctor_Skank
07-24-08, 13:01
Germany sounds good to go. But isn't it oversaturated with "clients" considering the US military is there in great numbers? I was looking to kind of go off the beaten path.....Don't overestimate the US military presence. It isn't 1986. Many bases have closed years ago. There are less Americans in Germany every year.
As to saturation, it depends on what you are after.
If you are refering to FKK and RLD paid sex, you likely won't encounter any soldiers unless you are in the immediate proximity of a US base, of which there only a couple left. Most clients at FKK are businessmen from around Europe or the US or locals.
In terms of dating/looking for regular girlfriends or ONS, most German towns and cities are fairly devoid of US citizens. Frankfurt, Berlin and Munich have the most, as well as the most black Americans... mostly ex-Gis who decided to stay. Nonetheless, a black man is still fairly rare but common enough that most racial issues don't exist or aren't "in your face" AFAIK. Black Americans continue to be fairly popular in Germany, thanks to Will Smith, Kobe Bryant, 50 Cent and co.
Around US bases you will run into the mud shark phenomenon (don't be offended, it's a term black soldiers use themselves)... local women who are interested only in black men. Careful treading here though, many of them already have a bastard kid or two and have been through several bfs on their Germany tour before said brothers PCSed back to CONUS. You'll have to have your filter radar on.
I'm sure you have some ex-Army friends somewhere... if they've been stationed in Germany they can fill you in with more details than I can.
DJ FourMoney
07-25-08, 00:14
Don't overestimate the US military presence. It isn't 1986. Many bases have closed years ago. There are less Americans in Germany every year.
As to saturation, it depends on what you are after.
If you are referring to FKK and RLD paid sex, you likely won't encounter any soldiers unless you are in the immediate proximity of a US base, of which there only a couple left. Most clients at FKK are businessmen from around Europe or the US or locals.
In terms of dating/looking for regular girlfriends or ONS, most German towns and cities are fairly devoid of US citizens. Frankfurt, Berlin and Munich have the most, as well as the most black Americans... mostly ex-Gis who decided to stay. Nonetheless, a black man is still fairly rare but common enough that most racial issues don't exist or aren't "in your face" AFAIK. Black Americans continue to be fairly popular in Germany, thanks to Will Smith, Kobe Bryant, 50 Cent and co.
Around US bases you will run into the mud shark phenomenon (don't be offended, it's a term black soldiers use themselves)... local women who are interested only in black men. Careful treading here though, many of them already have a bastard kid or two and have been through several bfs on their Germany tour before said brothers PCSed back to CONUS. You'll have to have your filter radar on.
I'm sure you have some ex-Army friends somewhere... if they've been stationed in Germany they can fill you in with more details than I can.
At one time I took offence to "Mud Sharks" but LOL, after seeing how some German women act around Black Men, hmmmm DESERVED.
Freebie sex for sure is much easier in Germany and Scandinavia but you need time to make the panties drop especially in Scandinavia but once that happens - LOOK OUT
Obama was a hit in Berlin this evening, uh I think that underlines Germans are basically very comfortable with African-Americans, they were bumpin the O'jays outside of Frankfurt Main train station when I was in town, go figure.
My demands are a bit different however. I'm seeking wifey material but that doesn't mean I have to go without and currently I haven't had sex since I left Germany.
Both times at Oase and Palace I had better sex in one shot than many of the women I have dated and one was best looking woman I've ever stuck my dick into, it felt great, she was down, grabbed me under my towel before hand and would be a solid 8 on most people's scale, didn't ask for money up front either.... WIN-WIN
We've had this conversation before, if somebody would put my post in ROD then maybe we can avoid repeating ourselves - LOL
Thanks for feed back guys. I guess my Nike Air Forces will be touching German soil soon.
Loud Blokes and Americans seem to get on everybody's nerves hmmmm....
Stag Party types? Hmmm, as I said the city's best offerings are highly expensive by Stag Party standards. Those are the easiest to find. Only those with local connections or can read or speak Ukrainian or Russian can find the cheap lays. Most of them are going to be in the city center anyway and yes that is an anoyance.
I think they'll stick to Prague frankly; Tallinn I've heard is a WASHOUT as Professional Daters have ruined the freebie market (not if you want something more lasting but it will take a few weeks for the panties to drop).
Is there a place on the planet not ruined by Professional Daters or Stag Party types???
Minisk?
Since 50 has moved out of Alamty, I would say that place might be safe if you want Slavic punai straight up or with a Saki twist and isn't infested with all the types that tend to ruin "markets".
C'mon Doc, there has to be a skinny slav girl with your name on it ready to be Mrs Skank...lol
The way I see it the main concern about Stag Parties, if they ever come, is not the increased competition to us foreign local guys, that isn't the problem.
The problem is the image of the foreigner that the behaviour of these Stag Party tourists may project.
Although I would never claim to be Mr.Super Stud what success I have had with Ukrainian women has been achieved by sticking to three basic rules.
1) Always play the part of the polite and gentlemanly foreigner
2) Dress well
3) Wear expensive shoes (I don't know why but sooner or later these Slavic
girls are going to check out your shoes)
In the past I had hoped that by abiding to these rules I was, in my small way, helping to perpetuate the diminishing mystique of the foreign guy.
Now if the city is about to be besieged by hoards of hairy arsed Brits all wearing football shirts and dirty trainers it won't be long before the Ukrainian women start to view the Foreign guys as something to be avoided. Especially if they have just moved to Kiev from the countryside, a source of much fresh talent.The natural progression from that is that they will fall into the clutches of their own men especially now that more Ukrainian guys are starting to earn good money.
Stag parties happen where alcohol is cheap in places like Prague, Krakow, Riga etc. The tourists come basically to drink.
There came a lot of british tourists to Kiev before 2003 when alcohol was relatively cheap. They stopped coming.
And the accomodation in Kiev is not such to allow finding cheap hotel rooms etc easily. There is no infrastructure to prevent from rip off and to be drunk is dangerous in Ukraine. In Moscow stag parties stopped after serious beating of the staggers by Russians and expell of many English by authorities.
My guess is that till infrastructure improves as to make able to accomodate thousands more of tourists and till Ukraine becomes more stable economically and more european oriented, stag parties are not going to happen. Especially when the tourists have to pay so much due to high inflation rate.
DJ FourMoney
07-27-08, 10:13
Stag parties happen where alcohol is cheap in places like Prague, Krakow, Riga etc. The tourists come basically to drink.
There came a lot of British tourists to Kiev before 2003 when alcohol was relatively cheap. They stopped coming.
And the accommodations in Kiev is not such to allow finding cheap hotel rooms etc easily. There is no infrastructure to prevent from rip off and to be drunk is dangerous in Ukraine. In Moscow stag parties stopped after serious beating of the staggers by Russians and expel of many English by authorities.
My guess is that till infrastructure improves as to make able to accommodate thousands more of tourists and till Ukraine becomes more stable economically and more European oriented, stag parties are not going to happen. Especially when the tourists have to pay so much due to high inflation rate.
All your points are well taken and true... In reality this has no effect on the "market" as we currently know it.
It will not effect you dating locally if you are a local for business reasons. For those Western Europeans and US men already all around Ukraine, they have regular girlfriends/wifes or a regular cashe of women available to them (think Cruiser D, Hecker, etc)
I will be back in the market way before any Stag Parties become a regular occurrence, grab what I want and come back!
To address Tremayne's point -
1) That's my nature anyway
2) Well I dress Urban, not too baggy, not too tight, in between...
3) Now Brooks Brothers shoes would look out of place, I took 5 different pairs of K-Swiss, two customed designed by ME all matching whatever I wore, I looked TIGHT my man!
I go where they play "Da Beats", I find upscale bars/clubs nauseating. I was prepared however for an upscape affair if it came to pass, but it didn't...
"Girls don't makes passes at men with glasses" and that's my number 1# change I have planned before I go back I feel that should improve things quite a bit...
Hi guys,
Got to entertain a client next week when I'm back in Kyiv for first time in a while. What's the best nude strip joint in town -any recommendations?
I'm in apartment, so no problems on the p4p front. A contact told me a disco in Podil by the river was easy to score students from....I'll try my best and report back if the semi-pros are keeping prices more reasonable than further up the river at RP.
Thanks in advance anyone who replies or PMs.
K
hi for all, it is a long time i did not check the reports, do not have time, but i will give you my experience in kiev, you may agree or not, this is my story.
i was in kiev in the begging of may for just 4 days, i talk a text from borispul i paid 30 usd. first day i was in the dnipro hotel, i tried to call**mystery tramp allot of time but no answer. so i do not won't to west my time i call up nika from gia, i have a good time with her
the only thing is she is not 177 height, and i rely like tall woman, but otherwise she is good, she is sexy, she is smart, she will do some extra stuff for you, i have her for 2 hoer, i gave her 300 $, it was wort. she kiss me reel good with her worm muitch, i fucked her 4 times, she was willing to do any thing for me.
after i sleep till 2 0r 3 in middle of the night i try to stand up, i fill i still can use some pussy from a girl, so i won't town, i get out the hotel and i walk on the chrarep001ic street. not allot out at 3 am, i do not see girls, but her and their it was, woh the try to check my attention, but i do not find the good for me. at one point 2 girls call me, the ask me if i need company, and the start to dens for me on the street, the was looking drunk so i walk away. i cam back in the hotel in the labey i say 2 blondinow girl’s, very sexy tall and tine, my type, i ask the girl to come to my room, she won't 300 usd i was not ready to give they, so the 2 girl**live the hotel, i won't to the bar but not find good girl for me so i won't back to slip.
the different between a girl from gia and a girl from a hotel, from gia even i now it is expansive but at list i now i can trust her, kisses will be kisses, fucking will be good, and 2 hoers will be tow hoers reel sex, with a girl from the hotel i do not trust her. theta is my opinion.
the next 2 day i was biz with my bizznes i do not have time, at the lest night my company give me a room in the "president hotel’", it is bigger and nice’r from the dnipro hotel, and i thing it is more perfesonel, **the services**is beater, and even the prise was beater (125 usd for a night).
i cem in the hotel after a big hard day, i came back from odessa, it was 3:00 am, and in the la bey form the hotel i see 2 working girls, one from the girls**wave to me with her hand, she was a**tall woman, properly in her mid 30’s, but very**sexy, **after i cheek**in**my room i go down to her and and**she start to do bizznes, i told**her if she won't to come up to my room, won**she come in i told her i will**pay only**100 usd for 2 hoer, she refuse, but i told her i am**only reedy to pay 100, i guss she do not have allot costumers this night because she agree, **i have sexy with her 2 times, she explain me she is very pure, she do not have noting only this money wot she is making in the hotel bla**bla.
it was 5: am i fall slipping.
in the day before i all reedy mad a appointment with gia to send me a girl in the mooring (even the our opining at 11: am but i need i girl before this time).
at 8: am the girl "faina" form gia call me up she is in the la bey, **i won't down to her, i pay 20 usd for the security (ukrainian still robbery).
i most say faine is the reel dael, she is tall and sexy, she was reel good, even i heed sex tow hoers before, she made a very good job, she work for me 2 hoers all over, she do not tolk away her golden hands from my hard dick, she rob it, and suck it aging and again, like she never heed**sex in a long time. she was willing to do any thing, she make me rely dry, she took out me com probably 4 of 5 times.
i pad her 250 usd, it was now 11. 30 am i check out from the hotel i russ borispul to my plain back to the usa.
i now allot of you do not like gia but as i told all reedy before this is my only way to go.
i wish you all the best.
her555
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Kiev experts,
I'm coming next week, any suggestion where to meet regulars, disco, shops, parks, swimmingpools, theatre.....
I immagine they are everywhere as in any city but there are always some place where girls are more in the mood for meeting new friends......
Thanks a lot !
Latin
Knight, try any of the Rhino clubs, from what I saw they have the hottest girls. Although as of two winters ago you couldn't pay to have sex with them. Someone on this forum mention that had changed. While it's possible I doubt it.
Kiev report
Think of your trip to Ukraine as a refresher lesson on how to be a man. The moment you land in Kiev, forget everything you have learned about “normal” male-female relationships. You will be surrounded by gorgeous women, dressed elegantly and sexy, being reasonably open to you advances, and in many cases, willing to take it all the way. Ninety percent of the women you see will be hotter and sexier than your wife, girlfriend or ex-girlfriend back home. You will soon realize that it is okay to strike up a conversation with a beautiful woman, and that often she will actually be flattered by the attention and welcome a little flirtation. That is how life should always be!
If you are a 20 year old hot-shot who will not be satisfied unless you fuck every hot babe you see, you will be miserable. If you are a little older and have learned to appreciate the beauty of women, enjoy flirting with them, and occasionally make love to them, you will have a great time. If you are even older, I do not know; maybe you just have to be shameless and realize that in Kiev it is okay to hit on and bed a babe half your age. You could relive your glory days and go home a happy man.
From the minute you leave your apartment or hotel to the time you get back (hopefully with a girl) you will see a stunningly beautiful woman every 30 seconds. I have actually taken data on this; it is absolutely astounding! Unlike the women you are used to back home, they will be slim (note Americans!), blue-eyed, blonde, dressed elegantly in short skirts or mini-dresses, high heels and, in winter, often in thigh-high boots (I just love the miniskirt-thigh-high boot look!). Outside of cheerleader conventions, the miniskirt coefficient is the highest I have every seen in my life. All you have to do is enjoy the view and fully absorb the experience, soon enough you will be walking with a stupid ear-to-ear grin.
First, use your new surroundings to get your confidence up, to get fully comfortable with the idea that you can chat up an incredibly hot babe and she will be generally receptive, smile at you, and not dismiss you. After years of living among “sexually liberated women”, you might have thought that you no longer had balls, but in Kiev you will soon realize your balls had merely shrunk, but hey are still there, and they can quickly grow back. The process of “sexual liberation” has unfortunately rendered western women not quite asexual, but certainly far less feminine that women in the Ukraine, and has had an equally deleterious effect on men (I think I am talking more about North America here, in western Europe things are not as bad). Within a few hours you will be walking tall, smiling broadly, shamelessly checking babes out, and chatting them up as if it were the most natural and normal thing in the world. It is.
Hit on them selectively or you will have to hit on them every 30 seconds. Just use a little common sense: if a babe is rushing to catch the bus on her way to work (by the way, dressed so invitingly sexy that you wonder how Ukrainian men ever manage to do any work at work!), it is unlikely that she will stop to talk to a stranger. But if a babe is just window shopping, having a coffee or just walking around (they do that a lot, particularly on weekends), you really cannot miss.
Of course, this does not mean that you can be a rude, drunk asshole. Women do not like that, anywhere! Be polite, friendly, sober and confident. Women everywhere love that.
Do not assume every girl you talk to is gong to bed you, be we all know that the road from first contact to sex is fairly short and direct. The problem in the west is that it is hard to find any women you would actually like to have sex with, so we do not even bother with first contact. When we find one worth pursuing, she is probably being pursued by everyone else around her, and probably has developed an attitude. In Kiev, there are gorgeous women EVERYWHERE. Competition is good for business.
ANY opening line will do! The key is to make that first contact, just like anywhere, except that here the babes are far better looking and more open to your advances. A simple and direct: “hello, my name is ____” with an offer of a handshake works perfectly fine. It identifies you as a foreigner, and as being respectful of women. Or you can ask for directions, compliment them on their beauty (with some subtlety), talk about how nice the weather is, ask for tourist suggestions, and always watch for any signs of a smile. The only hard part is someone who speaks enough English (or whatever you speak) to understand your jokes. As usual, the moment you make a girl laugh, you know you are in!
Before you enter a bar in Kiev (or any of the FSU states, for that matter), you should get a post-dot-com now-unemployed computer geek to re-write your targeting software. In the typical bar in North America, a couple of minutes after entering you will have targeted the 3 babes that turn you on (and that third one you are not really sure about!). The rest are just the back-up plan, if you get too drunk. In Kiev it is nearly impossible to target anyone, because there are just too many incredibly gorgeous women. Face it, if you get laid here, it will be with someone close to your ultimate fantasy girl. It is just mind-boggling!
Eastern European Women
Before continuing, I put together a few thoughts about Eastern European babes. First, they are slimmer than North American women, and that is one huge difference, pardon the pun. All women are potentially beautiful, but when they are 20 Kg overweight by the time they are 25, well… the future is bleak. Second they are just more feminine: they wear dresses and high heels and make up and always look nice. When visiting Eastern Europe you will sometimes see tourists who made the mistake of visiting, as couples. The men spend all their time with their tongues hanging and regretting their decision to marry, and the women take a huge hit to their self esteem. Taking your wife to Kiev surely enhances your chances of a divorce.
They are not only feminine in their appearance, but also their behaviour. When you are out with an Eastern woman, she will make you feel like you are the king of the world. She will look hot and she will be with you! She will dance for you, hang by your arm, attract but ignore potential suitors, and make other man there wish he were you.
The specifics
As soon as you step on the airport, you will be a target for people who want your money. Other than sex, you will spend the most and be ripped off the worst by taxis. A local would never pay more than 100 UAH, but you will be asked 250 UAH. Eventually, you will settle on 150 or so. A girl I met negotiated with a cabbie a trip to her place where she went in for 15 minutes, and back to my place for the night, for a total trip lasting over an hour, for 60 UAH!
Before my trip I had gathered a database of 50 pros and 25 non-pros; I had called a few of the pros to make sure the numbers were real, and I had contacted the non-pros and they were supposedly willing to meet me. I thought I was fully prepared and could not lose. Well, I did not lose, but not because of my preparation.
As soon as I settled at my apartment I started calling some girls (by the way, I had to change apartments-the short story is that Flatlux are unprofessional and deceptive; but kievrent.net are okay). As usual, I could not reach anyone on the other side, they did not speak English and some hung up, the prices were higher than advertised, or they added extras like 50 UAH for a taxi (where are they coming from, Odessa?!). I eventually ordered a girl and waited, but the girl who arrived was not even close to the cutie pictured online. I sent her away and decided to hit the city instead.
Later I will conclude that in Kiev there is no reason to actually pay for sex (not directly, anyway) but it was late and it was my first night, so I headed for the River Palace.
The River Palace
As you walk into the River Palace, you will immediately take notice of hot blondes in heels and miniskirts. Some people say fire, others think it is the wheel, and recently others have said the microprocessor, but I will suggest again that humanity’s greatest invention is the miniskirt. Here they are everywhere, coupled with high heels and often thigh-high boots. I had to muster all my will power to resist the urge to drop to my knees and work my way up from those smooth, shapely legs to those barely hidden sweet pussies.
Actually, it is better if you do not enter into negotiations right away. Take a walk around the place to check out the talent. There are 3 floors: sometimes the best girls can be found in the slot machine rooms, quietly disposing of the money they are about to recoup from you. One of my favourite places is the bench near the entrance, where I like to sit after a walk-around. From there you can keep track of the flow of babes between the main areas. From there you get a good look at those magnificent legs, and you get a good, well-lit view of the talent. Some of them act seductively and friendly in the disco, but when they come to sit here you get a better feeling of their actual personalities. Some of them are total bitches, and seem to think talking to them is a privilege. By the way, someone else here mentioned that they judge you by your shoes, and here, in the light, they do.
After 20 minutes of sitting there I moved to the downstairs bar, where the action starts earlier than at the “nightclub”. There were a couple of girls dancing and a few more sitting at the bar. As soon as I sat, the girls began to check me out and the ones dancing began smiling at me. If you can forget that it is a hooker bar, it can be very good for your ego. I smiled broadly to the one sitting next to me and introduced myself. I introduced myself to the other 2 girls sitting next to her, and ended up chatting the most with the one in the middle: a pretty mini-skirted blue-eyed blonde with fantastic breasts. The one farthest from me was hotter but did not seem to speak any English, or just was not too interested.
The usual meaningless chit-chat followed: where are you from, how long are you here, what do you do for a living, are there any other good bars in town, how is the weather, etc. Soon enough the talk becomes more directed. One of the questions they ask about this time is whether I am staying in a hotel or an apartment. I am not sure why this is one of the first questions, other than because of the difficulties you might have getting a girl past hotel security. But what do they care? The tip for the concierge will come from your pocket, not hers. If anybody can shed any light, please do so.
Around this time, they might ask for a drink. As we all know, girl drinks are a little expensive, and whereas I might not mind buying a drink for a girl in a regular bar (I see it as an investment), I prefer if professionals buy their own drinks. I just keep an eye on the drink and excuse myself to the bathroom as she finishes. I may go to one of the other bars and I return 20 minutes later, if I do. By that time, she will have bought her own fucking drink.
Anyway, the conversation quickly veers towards the goal. Do I have a girlfriend in town? (funny how she did not ask whether I had one OUT of town or whether I was married), am I looking for a girlfriend? (am I?), or do I want some company? Soon thereafter the first price quote comes up and it is ridiculous: 300 or even 400 USD for 2 hours, PLUS a taxi. Is it neurosurgery??
Given that good quality girls from GIA (some photos are fake, and all are doctored, of course) can be had for 150 USD (yes, some want to charge 300, but who pays for that? For that much, stay at home!) and girls form the street can be had for as little as 100 USD or less, there is no reason to pay 300, let alone 400. The only benefit at River Palace is that you get to see the merchandise up-close before making a purchase, but similarly, if the girl who shows up at your door is not quite what you saw online, you can always send her home. I put my limit at 150 USD, and girls are willing to accept even less early in evening (so they can go home after having earned their keep, or return to “work”), or late in the evening (when the prospects of finding a moron who will pay 300 USD are dwindling).
Back to negotiations, I try not to dismiss the ridiculous offer, but rather ask more details: what is included? Is she going to be as nice as she is being right now? How long? All night? For all three? A trick I like is to say that I do not know if I have that much and then take out a wad of cash to check. Of course, after checking you have enough money, point out that you want to get the best value for your money and there are many other girls around, and as soon as you can, go to the bathroom and put all that money in a different, secret pocket. The sight of money will convince her that you are a serious customer.
To me the River Palace is about the experience: being surrounded by gorgeous babes who dance for you (although that happens everywhere) and smile at you (less common). Shameless flirting is the rule, if they do not even like you enough for that, they are probably be awful in bed, regardless of how great they look.
You will find two types of girls: hard core pros and part timers. Pros are in their 20’s and look fantastic and think it is a privilege to talk to them, or fuck them. They are more likely to hold on for that 400 USD for 2 hours idiot. I chatted with an old warrior who recounted the days in the 90s when you could be a model/actress/fantasy type girl to take a 9 hour bus from Odessa, spend all day and all night with you, fuck you and suck you to your heart’s content, and take the bus 9 hour bus ride back the next day, all for 100 USD. Some of us can only dream of having been there in those days!!
The second type are the semi-pros. They have regular jobs but make a little money on the side. I met a nurse, a secretary and a beautician. They are more likely to fuck you if they actually like you, and might not be absolutely physically perfect, but probably better fucks. To make the story short, I picked up a gorgeous blonde, supposedly a receptionist, about 28, who gave me a perfect GF experience all night, for 200 USD. In the bed, on the couch, in the shower, oral, 69, kissing, followed by a shower when she tenderly washed my entire body. We fucked at least 3 times, but I had drunk too much and did not come (I take long in any case). She felt responsible for my orgasm and in the morning, before heading out, she made the point of blowing me to completion. Again, awesome GFE, all night (well, 6 hours), for 200 USD.
The street
In Kiev, if you are staying for at least a few days or are coming back (or have a good story saying that you will), there is really no reason you should EVER pay for sex. On weekends, girls dress in their sexy outfits, short dresses and miniskirts, high heels and just walk up and down the main street, FOR HOURS, hoping to run into someone. You just have to be shameless and talk to them. Yes, occasionally, some will be ***** princesses and not talk back, but unlike back home, you can tell them to fuck off! Do not worry, they are not friends of friends whom you will meet at the next office party!
I spent an afternoon sitting at an outdoor café, Pan Pizza, eying the beauties. When I sat down the place was relatively empty and I was minding my own business, reading the Kiev post and enjoying the view. When I looked up a few minutes later several tables had been filled by beauties who were occasionally looking up and trying to get my attention. They would look up, smile, speak a little English among themselves, just to make the point that they could. I paired up with two of them, and spent the evening and the next night with one of them.
On another occasion I was watching a violin player on the street, just enjoying the music. I went up to buy his CD, and watched a little more. In a couple of minutes I noticed a mini-skirted high-heeled beauty moving beside me, an invitation to strike a conversation. I did.
On another occasion, I was just walking taking a photo of a church, and asked some girl if she know what it was. She answered politely; I said thanks and moved on. A couple of minutes later I stopped again to take more photos, and noticed her behind me still. I smiled and struck a conversation. We walked and chatted for 30 minutes. She said that she had been walking all day (that is what they do. It is weird. Better than staying at home, I guess) and although I invited her to my place or a night out, she said she was taking a bus home. By the way, she was wearing a cute mini-dress and high heels, of course. Half-way up the main street I saw the violin guy and said that I wanted to watch, but instead of going her way she came with me. That is another peculiarity of Kiev women, if you are too nice of thoughtful they will not respect you. It is an extension of the “nice guys finish last” logic. Unfortunate! Anyway, the fact that I was willing to leave her to watch some violinist was the turning point for her, and we did end up at my place. I spent over a day with her, and bought her some lingerie and a dress the next day, for a cost of under 100 USD. Not a bad deal!
About the non-pros that I had lined up, it became a scheduling nightmare. It seems that there are two types of non-pro women in Kiev, those that walk the streets all day in the hope of meeting a (rich? foreign?) boyfriend, and those who are trying to make a life for themselves and work incessantly. Out of the 25 girls I had lined up, after much effort and many phone calls, I ended up meeting only 4, only one of which I liked. Unfortunately, these girls are far more interesting than the walkers, but it is just not worth the trouble.
One more thing I noticed is when you hang out with a girl, waitresses and store clerks look at the girl with some jealousy. I am sure THEY would love to be with you instead of being stuck at work. My point is that it is relatively easy to ask “what time do you get out of work? Would you like to get together”. I did not have the time, so I only did it 3 times, and got smiles and phone numbers, only 1 fake. Sometimes when I walked alone I seemed to get the feeling girls were looking at me and wondering why I was alone.
Take home message
To summarize, there is no reason to pay for sex in Kiev, at least not directly, unless you are really intent on getting your ultimate fantasy girl and do not mind paying 300 USD for potentially horrible sex with a gorgeous body. By the way, one of dancers at Moda bar drops into the River Palace after work, wearing her little go-go mini-dress. Everywhere you look, you see unlikely couples, where the woman is gorgeous and the guy is not, nor rich (as far as you can tell), nor does he treat her well. At strategic tourist places you will see impeccably dressed babes waiting to meet foreign men, often much older. The rule is be shameless, and flirt, with the babes walking the streets, and more so with regular girls, who will be flattered by the attention and CAN look as great as any street walker (pro or non pro). I was there for 10 days, so I had time but really, the time from first contact to sex was a couple of hours at best, and under 48 hours at worst, in most cases within 24 hours. If you are there for just a few days, you might have to do things differently.
One last thing. Shooters is a racist establishment. They decided I was arab (am I? it does not matter, that is the point, and yes, I understand a few words) and did not let me in. SAY NO TO RACISM, with your wallet.
My two cents!
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The establishment itself is by no means racist. It's owned by a good friend of mine, a genuinely nice bloke.
It's just that the goons at the door often can be. If you see the owner around outside (a well built Scottish guy - you can't really miss him :)) just let him know and he'll sort them out. It could be trickier if he's not around though.
I have to disagree with Stevie 69.
1. Everywhere you look in Ukraine you see normal couples where the girl is in the same caliber with the man. There are very few unlikely couples.
2. It is very difficult to pick up girls in Kiev's streets. Most of them do not answer at all. I find it very bad idea to tell them to fuck off since it will give foreigners a bad reputation.
3. No girls try to grab the attention of foreigners by speaking english or coming behind them or walking for hours just to meet them. All this is science fiction.
4. Old foreigners date average girls. Very average and they have to pay for dates. In Kiev average young girls are available for older foreigners.
No doubt Stevie is speaking from his own experience. He just forgot to mention that he is Ricky Martin's identical twin brother..
Old foreigners date average girls. Very average and they have to pay for dates. In Kiev average young girls are available for older foreigners
On average yes. But supermodel young girls are availabe to old foreigners (and old locals) who have the $$.
Doctor_Skank
08-03-08, 23:53
to summarize, there is no reason to pay for sex in kiev, at least not directly, unless you are really intent on getting your ultimate fantasy girl and do not mind paying 300 usd for potentially horrible sex with a gorgeous body. i was there for 10 days, so i had time but really, the time from first contact to sex was a couple of hours at best, and under 48 hours at worst, in most cases within 24 hours. if you are there for just a few days, you might have to do things differently.good report stevie69!
i agree with much of what is said in general, and actually has been said on this forum many times before by regular posters.
i also agree with ash though that your report is overly optimistic on some points, for example time between first contact and sex being under 24 hours. sometimes yes, but "on average" ? even if that may have actually been your experience, it's hardly typical. it can often be tough to get a 2nd date/contact within 24 hours, considering their schedules... and your own.
ninety percent of the women you see will be hotter and sexier than your wife, girlfriend or ex-girlfriend back home. maybe you should find new girlfriends back home. just a thought.
you will soon realize that it is okay to strike up a conversation with a beautiful woman, and that often she will actually be flattered by the attention and welcome a little flirtation. that is how life should always be! depends on your definition of beautiful. in the upper beautiful category, she gets a ton of attention every time she leaves the apartment. it’ll take more than a little attention to spark her interest.
if you are a 20 year old hot-shot who will not be satisfied unless you fuck every hot babe you see, you will be miserable. 35 is a much better age to score hotties in ee than 20. life is great.
from the minute you leave your apartment or hotel to the time you get back (hopefully with a girl) you will see a stunningly beautiful woman every 30 seconds. i have actually taken data on this; it is absolutely astounding! you are still in rookie mode if you still believe this. ee and particularly kiev are full of hotties… but stunner every 30 seconds? come on. their bodies are great, their faces often very average.
any opening line will do! the key is to make that first contact, just like anywhere, except that here the babes are far better looking and more open to your advances. a simple and direct: “hello, my name is ____” with an offer of a handshake works perfectly fine. it identifies you as a foreigner, and as being respectful of women. true enough that any opening line is fine. point is to make contact. shaking hands is not really done between men and women in ee, but i suppose it doesn’t hurt. they’ll know you are a foreigner anyway by your speech.
when you are out with an eastern woman, she will make you feel like you are the king of the world. she will look hot and she will be with you! she will dance for you, hang by your arm, attract but ignore potential suitors, and make other man there wish he were you. generally true, but never forget that if you want to get serious with your ee princess, by her nature she is inclined to trade you off for something better if she gets the chance. and yes, many of them will flirt with other guys while you go to the toilet/get a drink/make a call on your phone because if she is hot, she is getting hit on by other guys, particularly the locals especially if they are obviously some sort of local player. if she is so enamored and impressed by you after an afternoon together with your smalltalk, walk in the park and 15 words of russian, how do you think she is with a guy with even better game or offers her a more long-term perspective? just sayin’. if she’s that hot, she’s been here before or is looking to get there. just roll with it.
you just have to be shameless and talk to them. yes, occasionally, some will be ***** princesses and not talk back, but unlike back home, you can tell them to fuck off! do not worry, they are not friends of friends whom you will meet at the next office party! you do have to be shameless and one does have to have a thick skin, because you will sometimes get brushed off or ignored. hope you are being figurative in saying fuck off. literally saying it will make you some “new friends” sooner or later. besides, just because she doesn't want to talk to you doesn't mean she is a ***** princess. maybe she just isn't interested. people in ee don't apologize for anything, they just do what they feel. girls included. they assume their actions will get the message across.
they would look up, smile, speak a little english among themselves, just to make the point that they could. that’s honestly never happened to me, it certainly isn’t typical. she must have been pretty interested in you.
out of the 25 girls i had lined up, after much effort and many phone calls, i ended up meeting only 4, only one of which i liked. unfortunately, these girls are far more interesting than the walkers, but it is just not worth the trouble.
pre-arranged dates often fall through, that’s why you should always have plan b, c, d…
one last thing. shooters is a racist establishment. they decided i was arab (am i? it does not matter, that is the point, and yes, i understand a few words) and did not let me in. say no to racism, with your wallet. shooter is full of “arabs” or other dark-skinned people any day of the week. call it racism i suppose, but i guess they just didn’t like your face. that can happen anywhere.
in any case man, thanks for the detailed report! i'm jealous, need to get back to kiev soon...
From Herr and Stevie, after reading Herr's post, I thought, is this what Kiev has become, guys who visit, resort to calling Gia and MT, and end up paying $300 for two hours with a gia girl, this is something I would never do. After reading Stevies post I felt it was; somewhat, too rosie. But, I haven't caroused in Kiev since 10-03, so I really don't know the situation there; but, I live in east Ukraine for 4 years already. The beauty of the girls, yes of course, many beauties, but one can see a lot of fat ones as well, the local diet is full of fatty foods and they fry everthing, it eventually catches up to many of them.
Approaching the girls, stevie is right act like a man and go for it, but if rejected, never, ever would I say f--- off, or something of that nature, I simply walk away, it's no big deal, happens to everyone, just go with it. Looks matter to these girls, and if your just average looking like me, well ok, I'm above average looking, but that's not the point, the point is you need to look and dress good, at all times, clean yourself up, well groomed, everyone mentions shoes, but it's not only shoes, these girls notice everthing, nice shoes, watch, shirt, ironed pants, mobile, purse, everything matters, and pay attention to these details. One thing I do now, is only approach girls who give me a few possitive non verble singles first, then if interested I make the move, and ommunicate is vital. I am not just talking about speaking Russian, you need to know how to communicate with these girls, these girls operate on emotions, so excit them! Make them happy, sad, laugh, tell them exciting (SHORT) stories, make good eye contact, look at them like your totally interested in them, and listen, listen and listen when they are talking, even if you know it's total bull shit and you're bored out of your mind, act like your totally interested. Excite thier emotions and these girls well want to see you again and again.
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For any of you who have not heard, and for those who want a more recent re-telling, the "loose money / dropped wallet" scam is still alive and well in Kiev.
I was walking from Maidan Independence to metro Teatralna around 7pm when a guy comes up and asks for Pushinskaya street (which we were standing on). I gave him my standard response, in Russian "I don't know. I'm a foreigner, " and he took off ahead of me, dropping a billfold in a plastic baggie from his shoulder bag.
Having read about this trick, I did not pick it up, but shouted to him "Hey, this is yours. " (All this in Russian. Maybe not grammatically correct, but comprehensible.)
The guy picks it up, thanks me. Shakes my hand and walks off. A second guy comes along (I later conclude he is part of the scam), and asks me about the first guy. "What happened? " He also asks where I'm from. I tell him I'm from the USA and he tells me his brother works as a taxi dispatcher in Brooklyn. (Plausible if you've ever been to Brooklyn).
On cue, the first guy reappears and asks the two of us if we found his pen! His pen, for heavens sake! No we didn't find your pen. Fifteen seconds later he's back and asks if we found another packet of his money. On cue, miraculously, a third guy appears, flashes his wallet ID and declares himself to be militsia (he is in uniform). He's obviously the accomplice of the first guy and they start their routine demanding to see my money "to see if it's his lost money. "
At this point, to my utter surprise, the second guy, the one "with a brother in Brooklyn, " opens his wallet, shows them and me a single U. S one hundred dollar bill and the grifter announces magnanimously that its not his. It takes me a minute to realize that the second guy has opened his wallet only to encourage me to open my wallet.
At this point, even though I know it's a scam, I forget the good advice posted in this forum.- where you demand to go to the police station.- and I figure I can talk my way out of it. All I have on me at the time is 300 grivna which I have just gotten from an ATM on Maidan. (That's probably where they spotted me). I tell them I have money but it's not his money. I tell them, in Russian, that I have a bankomat receipt for exactly the money in my pocket. I take it out, show the receipt, keep the guy from grabbing the money and put it back in my pocket.
Meanwhile I'm trying to make the guy say what money he lost. I tell him to write down what money he lost. I tell the militsia to write down what money we're supposed to be looking for, but the guy keeps demanding to see my wallet. I take some change out of my other pants pocket and I show it to him one coin a at time. One kopek, is this yours? I ask. I show it to the militsia. Is this his? A five kopek piece? Is this yours? (I'm trying to be sarcastic, but my Russian is not really that good.)
I keep this up, one coin at a time, until they begin to pull back. Then I tell them I have twenty dollars in my wallet and I show them my wallet. (Luckily I paid for my apartment that morning). They pull back. The first grifter apologizes and walks off. The militsia has already disappeared. The third guy, who I now peg for an accomplice, says good bye.
You can see why they run the scam: even if you are on to them, even if you don't pick up the money, even if you don't have much money on you, they have nothing to lose. Even if you insist on going to the police station, they merely risk the embarrassment of looking like bozos in front of the thieves/cops with whom they work. Still, next time that's what I'll do. If I have the presence of mind.
The other thing that makes sense is this: if you see the money on the ground, turn around and walk away, and find the militsia before he finds you. Tell him there is a thief up ahead.
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