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Yes, I saw that too. I suspect it was scam, but I avoided it by not being too honest, at least in thought. They guy dropped the money and I picked it up and followed him, for about a minute. He eventually turned around and I immediately gave him the money. He seemed thankful and then quickly pointed out he had 2 sets of bills. I shouted at him, in english telling him I knew the same and just walked away. He kept looking at me, and I quickly disappeared. I figure it was a legitimate error which he tried to turn into a scam (unlikely, but possible), or his colleague just had not kept up and by the time he turned he was alone. Yes, in the back of my mind I was thinking that if he did not eventually turn around I might keep the money, but luckily I did not have to make that decision.
About the other comment of things being too rosy. Well, RP girls ask for 300-400 USD sometimes, a "student" at Mandarin plaza wanted 300 EUro (or 400 USD), and all the girls parading around mandarin plaza and at the disco want at least 300 (photo included). The key is to use these obvious tourist places only to look, but conduct your search elsewhere. There are perfectly beautiful girls everywhere, who might be more reasonable about money, or want more than just your money.
one last thing. i did not imply act list an ass if you get turned down, but i do hate it when girls will not even bother to turn you down and simply look away, which yes, does happen. i am sorry, but rudeness begets rudeness; "turn the other cheek" is not my motto. anybody, man or woman, who ignores someone trying to talk to you, is simply a rude ass.
about being judged by your appearance, i was referring mostly to pros, or gold diggers. if it obvious you are trying and wearing your best suit, they will likely look at everything and a cheap suit might nullify the effects of an expensive watch, but with so many things to focus on, maybe they concentrate on the key ones. i do get the impression that shoes are important. why shoes? i do not know. women seem to be obsessed with shoes.
with non pros i had good success at the beach, wearing nothing but shorts (why do men there wear speedos?- it is unsightly!), or walking around main street dressed as a tourist (dress shorts, t-shirt, sneakers and camera).
It seems I generated a lot of criticisms, comments and discussion. It would be nice to have comprehensive reports as well. Maybe all these afterthoughts by me can be combined into a single reply?
About Shooters being racist, racism is not defined by the official policy, but rather by actions. Now that your friend is aware that the goons outside are setting up their own policies maybe he will take action. What action? well the goons could be fired. The outside sign saying that "face control in in effect, no questions asked" could be removed and replaced by a phone number foreigners could call to report such incidences. A specific dress code could be put in effect instead of a vague "face control".
The first thing the bouncers asked is whether I was tourist and then where I was from before calling someone and telling me I could not go in. The right lines are "welcome to shooters, please come in". It is a shame. I heard Shooters was good and the way I was treated at the door marred an otherwise great trip.
I disagre that sb should tell women to fuck off because they will gradually harden their attirude and start telling tourists to fuck off.Who would dare to have the same attitude in a western country for example to go to UK or Germany and tell the local girls to fuck off?
These people learn and learn fast and soon the moving of head to other direction will turn to blaming and conflict.There is enough damage foreigners have caused.
As for face control I never have had any problems.Mostly girls get rejected in high class clubs like Decadance if they do not look like models.
In order for a man to be rejected,well it goes a long way.
If sb inside the club suspects that you are an Arab or a Turk and grabs you,deny it and have your passport ready to prove that you are not Arab.If you give proper explanations,there is no problem.(since now).
It is always good to pass as a Pole in Ukraine and as an Ukrainian in Poland if they do not bother asking you where you are from.
Anyway this is my piece of advice.
Doctor_Skank
08-04-08, 20:02
The outside sign saying that "face control in in effect, no questions asked" could be removed and replaced by a phone number foreigners could call to report such incidences. A specific dress code could be put in effect instead of a vague "face control".
If it happened to me I'd be pissed too. It has happened to me in Russia on rare occasion, but never in Ukraine. But besides your individual problem and the annoyance one feels when directly affected by it, there is nothing wrong with face control per se. It is there for a reason. Nobody has an inherent right to enter a club. It's not the public library.
If some doormen are abusing their power to express their racist frustrations, then I agree that it is pretty sad. Could also very well be that the management doesn't want too many of any particular foreign race or type of people to dominate the place. If it becomes too Turkish, too African, too hip-hop, too casual, too English or even too German for that matter, it could be the end of the club in terms of women coming, who are the honey pot that attracts more foreigners who like to waste their money on drinks and women. Every club has a target audience and Shooters is definitely mixed race with a mixture of foreign guys and locals who want to party.
And even if it were racism, do you really think anybody in Ukraine cares? Write a letter to the Kiev Post.
What about ugly girls getting rejected at the door or guys wearing ratty shoes? Is there a number they can call too?
That's business and believe it or not, that's the way it is done in most places. Shooters is harmless compared to some of the more upscale clubs.
I would say that in the upscale clubs security is ONLY interested in how loaded you are, and possibly whether the chick you're with comes up to scratch.
Shooters is not especially expensive and therefore accessible to local, average-earning Ukrainian guys. Hence there is probably some latent desire in the bouncers to bias things in favour of their countrymen. Not ideal, but that's life.
I'm sure most ordinary Ukrainians would be truly shocked that foreign guys are being prevented from entering clubs and chasing their women.. ;)
I stop reading the forum for two days and see a flurry of messages. :)
Here's a couple of points I'd like to make.
1) Only a chump shakes hands with a girl. Unless its business.
2) You are a little off on your taxi prices. I think locals are paying 110uah to/from the airport. 20-30uah will get you anywhere in the center and 50uah will take you anywhere the metro goes.
3) EE girls tend to be more slender then most western girls and tend to dress sexy otherwise they are about the same. I don't know about you but the American and Western European girls I have dated have been as attractive as any girl I've seen in Kyiv.
4) You talk a lot about not having to pay for sex but you don't mention actually having any. ;)
5) Oh, and one of my friends who is American (went to HS in the US) but is of Middle Eastern heritage got the bum rush from Shooters too.
6) Unless you are at the beach EE girls do not like men to wear shorts.
Doctor_Skank
08-05-08, 08:17
I might "have" to stay at Premier Palace sometime later this month for work reasons. I assume they are still girl-friendly and have a couple of overpriced lobby girls as well?
Anybody with current experience with this hotel?
I stop reading the forum for two days and see a flurry of messages. :)
We missed you, that's all. Now get back to work.
1) Only a chump shakes hands with a girl. Unless its business.
Even in business it is considered quite awkward.
5) Oh, and one of my friends who is American (went to HS in the US) but is of Middle Eastern heritage got the bum rush from Shooters too.Maybe Shooters does have a problem, yet every time I've been there it's been very international... like a UN convention, and Turkey had the chair. It sounds like the management is trying to maintain balance to me, which is a good thing even for Turkish and ME mongers. Too many of your own countrymen in one place will definitely spoil the soup, and that pretty much goes for all nationalities.
Doctor_Skank
08-05-08, 11:40
one last thing. i did not imply act list an ass if you get turned down, but i do hate it when girls will not even bother to turn you down and simply look away, which yes, does happen. i am sorry, but rudeness begets rudeness; "turn the other cheek" is not my motto. anybody, man or woman, who ignores someone trying to talk to you, is simply a rude ass.that's a cultural thing and may be sometimes genuine rudeness, but in most cases it's either a defense mechanism... even a "no" is sometimes signal enough for particularly aggressive guys to press their attack... or just their way of communicating non-interest for whatever reason.
now ask yourself, are you a guy who takes the no for an answer or do you use the opportunity to start your speel of "why nots", "let's just talk" or "can i buy you an ice cream?"... making sure of course to touch her arm while doing so?
i'm not directing this at you particularly, but if some women are annoyed with men and not interested in exchanging even the simplest of conversations i quite frankly understand them, especially if that conversation is to be in a language they may not speak or may not want to speak.
could also be she doesn't want to be seeing speaking to a foreigner, it can be bad for a girl's reputation in certain circles.
one last thing. i am sorry, but rudeness begets rudeness; "turn the other cheek" is not my motto. anybody, man or woman, who ignores someone trying to talk to you, is simply a rude ass.
by the way, guys who spend their afternoons speaking to every random girl that crosses their path in hopes to have sex with her one or two times before casting her aside are considered pretty rude asses as well. maybe two rude asses do not a happy couple make?
as much as we mongers revel in the glory of our female conquests, many (perhaps even most) people look down upon hobbyists such as ourselves. that is why most of us chose to operate under the radar. doesn't bother me since we get way more pussy than they do, but it still doesn't surprise me when we receive the occasional lukewarm or icy welcome.
Gentleman Travel
08-05-08, 15:36
Kiev report
...One of the questions they ask about this time is whether I am staying in a hotel or an apartment. I am not sure why this is one of the first questions, other than because of the difficulties you might have getting a girl past hotel security. But what do they care? The tip for the concierge will come from your pocket, not hers. If anybody can shed any light, please do so.
I did not have this exact thing happen to me, but certainly girls took note when I said I was staying in an apartment. (So did business associates, who in many trips still had not clued into this economical way to travel, and were impressed by my savvy - thank you ISG!) I think it is kind of a litmus test - do you know your way around, or are you just a tourist?
Plus some girls view (or used to, a few years ago) hotels with a stigma - hotels are for hookers. Of course, if you are at River Palace or Night Flight, this should not be a problem, because they are hookers. But some "normal" girls may balk at going to a hotel, because they are still pretending that they are just being sociable, not commiting to having sex.
I'm landing in Kiev tomorrow for some days, does anybody has a contact for Mystery Tramp ?
I read a lot of good and bad reports about her, I'm new to Kiev and will mainly point at regulars, but who knows what happens and MT seems to me as a plan b,c,d.....and a very kinki sex addicted...
If yes please PM me.
Thanks a lot,
Latin
DJ FourMoney
08-05-08, 19:00
I would say that in the upscale clubs security is ONLY interested in how loaded you are, and possibly whether the chick you're with comes up to scratch.
Shooters is not especially expensive and therefore accessible to local, average-earning Ukrainian guys. Hence there is probably some latent desire in the bouncers to bias things in favour of their countrymen. Not ideal, but that's life.
I'm sure most ordinary Ukrainians would be truly shocked that foreign guys are being prevented from entering clubs and chasing their women.. ;)
I just have to add -
I entered Shooters with two women, maybe that works - ;)
<---Black Man from America, no issues in Kiev
Doctor_Skank
08-05-08, 19:37
I did not have this exact thing happen to me, but certainly girls took note when I said I was staying in an apartment. (So did business associates, who in many trips still had not clued into this economical way to travel, and were impressed by my savvy - thank you ISG!) I think it is kind of a litmus test - do you know your way around, or are you just a tourist?
Plus some girls view (or used to, a few years ago) hotels with a stigma - hotels are for hookers. Of course, if you are at River Palace or Night Flight, this should not be a problem, because they are hookers. But some "normal" girls may balk at going to a hotel, because they are still pretending that they are just being sociable, not commiting to having sex.It is also important to differentiate between hotels. The "Hyatt" has a whole different ring to it than the "Slavutich", which is named after a kind of beer. At least that's MY version of the story. :)
Still, if travelling privately or staying for more than a couple of days you should be in an apartment.
If the company is footing the bill and your stay is short, go for the Hyatt or Premier Palace to save the hassle of getting setup in your apartment.
Maybe Shooters does have a problem, yet every time I've been there it's been very international... like a UN convention, and Turkey had the chair. It sounds like the management is trying to maintain balance to me, which is a good thing even for Turkish and ME mongers. Too many of your own countrymen in one place will definitely spoil the soup, and that pretty much goes for all nationalities.Yeah I agree with this Shooters thing - I've personally never seen a problem and also see a lot of people (turkey) in there. I think one of the managers is turkish and one of the owners.
Maybe you got there too late? I have seen them only let in select people if its a really packed night and late.
Doctor_Skank
08-06-08, 08:07
Yeah I agree with this Shooters thing - I've personally never seen a problem and also see a lot of people (turkey) in there. I think one of the managers is turkish and one of the owners.
Maybe you got there too late? I have seen them only let in select people if its a really packed night and late.Me? I've always gotten into Shooters with no problem. Some other posters with a darker look have had problems, whereas others have gotten in fine. I contend that although individual bouncers/doormen may have racial issues, the club itself isn't racist at all and just tries to maintain a balance of different nationalities.
I actually quite like that place, even though I've only scored there a couple of times and usually just got drunk. The atmosphere was usually fun though.
It seems I generated a lot of criticisms, comments and discussion. It would be nice to have comprehensive reports as well. Maybe all these afterthoughts by me can be combined into a single reply?
About Shooters being racist, racism is not defined by the official policy, but rather by actions. Now that your friend is aware that the goons outside are setting up their own policies maybe he will take action. What action? well the goons could be fired. The outside sign saying that "face control in in effect, no questions asked" could be removed and replaced by a phone number foreigners could call to report such incidences. A specific dress code could be put in effect instead of a vague "face control".
The first thing the bouncers asked is whether I was tourist and then where I was from before calling someone and telling me I could not go in. The right lines are "welcome to shooters, please come in". It is a shame. I heard Shooters was good and the way I was treated at the door marred an otherwise great trip.Face control is important because they want beautiful people inside.I have never had any problem entering any upscale club anywhere even alone and with very cheap clothes.
AColonizer
08-06-08, 21:03
I thank Stevie69 (do you like 69 very much, don't you? ) for his interesting report. That has some useful information and, if it is all true, you are a very successful boy In general, average men must work a lot to get some fucks.
I confirm Shooters' etiquette, only Ukrainians (or foreigners with UKrainians). The first time in November 2007, I went there with an American forumer but "security" men didn't want we got in. The second time, in June 2008, I went there with an Ukrainian, only he talked to "security" men, then a "security" man looked at me very carefully and, at last, we got in. This is a way to say "Ukrainian girls to Ukrainian boys only".
I'm curious if anyone has any experience with the dozens of Ukrainian marriage websites out there. Just for kicks, I did a google search and came back with a bunch of options.
I have no idea if they are scams or legit matching services though. Some of the girls on RWGlobe.com anyone would be lucky to marry, for example.
Obviously, these aren't sites designed for one night P4P. But for those looking for something more serious, are there any legit sites out there?
DJ FourMoney
08-07-08, 07:31
I'm curious if anyone has any experience with the dozens of Ukrainian marriage websites out there. Just for kicks, I did a google search and came back with a bunch of options.
I have no idea if they are scams or legit matching services though. Some of the girls on RWGlobe.com anyone would be lucky to marry, for example.
Obviously, these aren't sites designed for one night P4P. But for those looking for something more serious, are there any legit sites out there?
Elena's Models seems to work okay. I paid for three email addresses and I'm still in contact with one, one didn't get back to me after sending her a picture, strange she already knew what I looked like. One is from one of the 'Stans and not really my type looks wise. The last one is 21 and from Crimea and working during the summer, has been out of the country and speaks pretty good English and one of the few on Elena's surprisingly enough looking for an African-American. Its also the same site another friend of mine who is Black as well, found and married his wife.
I'm also on Lucky Lovers; met the girl I hooked up with in Kiev on that site.
Overall I'm not too pleased I think I can do better, but I think I have limited prospects in the EE so I need to "spread myself around" on many sites to maximuize my success rate.
With that said I'm not giving up on Western European women as there no Visa issues and level of conversational English is usually higher, unlike Ukraine/Russia when the best English speaking girls are most often models, escorts, tennis players or work for multi-national companies.... Larrisa the 34 year old Kiev single mother and Lena the 21 year old student have would I would call English level about 4, not quite conversational, Larrisa actually used a dictionary at times during our chats on Yahoo..lol
My next trip will include visting local marraige agencies, many of the web sites out there have local offices as well.
If you Google "Russian Women Forum" you should come up with a good forum about this subject and is frequented by both American Men and Russians women, not all whom are married. I didn't link it here because as you say the main focus of this site is P4P or Short Term relationship with thought to Long Term if smitten by somebody.
You also might want Google "Russian Women Blacklist" which should give you a list of the best sites to use and the ones that report Rip-offs, shake-downs, etc.
Doc seems to like Bride.ru and they use "face control" on that site under "Gold, Silver and Free". You can guess how many "hotties" you'll find under "Gold" compared to "Free" but a few decent ones fall through the cracks for whatever reason, so its recommended as well.
Good Luck and maybe Jackson should add a Sub Forum around here about this subject.
Not to make this post any longer, but there's hope for you even though changes on the ground make it seem more diffcult. The only thing that has become harder actually is bagging freebies just because your a Westerner, Decent Looking and Young. I takes at least ONE date and you have to appear sincere. Fail that and nothing will happen. Sounds like home huh? Well not really, because if your in pursuit of a serious relationship the numbers don't lie; Western men because of several reasons are not following through with the women they contact through web sites and agencies. Which means less men visiting and more women available...
What you have to avoid is Professional Daters.... That's the challenge now.
Gentleman Travel
08-07-08, 15:31
I'm curious if anyone has any experience with the dozens of Ukrainian marriage websites out there. Just for kicks, I did a google search and came back with a bunch of options.
I have no idea if they are scams or legit matching services though. Some of the girls on RWGlobe.com anyone would be lucky to marry, for example.
Obviously, these aren't sites designed for one night P4P. But for those looking for something more serious, are there any legit sites out there?
Elenas Models seems semi-legit.
I have met a couple of girls from there, and corresponded seriously with a few others. I think some of the girls there are serious about marriage/relationships, but there are a reasonable number of "good time girls". And of course, some scammers.
Lucky Lovers seems to have even more "real" women and a very low scammer ratio.
So, lots of nice girls, but not as explicitly available for sex as appears to the case on some other sites.
Toptraveler1
08-08-08, 12:28
May someone tells us what is the address of RP and if there is another place in Kiev similaire to this one?
Where we could find apartment in Kiev for next week?
Thank you
Every taxi driver in Kyiv knows the words 'River Palace' in english. Or do you plan on sending them a letter? If you really have to know their address google 'River Palace, Kyiv, Kiev', they have a webpage.
If you want to find apartment agencies that have been mentioned in this forum use the search feature. Or google 'apartments, kyiv, kiev'.
Good luck.
DJ FourMoney
08-09-08, 11:55
Every taxi driver in Kyiv knows the words 'River Palace' in english. Or do you plan on sending them a letter? If you really have to know their address google 'River Palace, Kyiv, Kiev', they have a webpage.
If you want to find apartment agencies that have been mentioned in this forum use the search feature. Or google 'apartments, kyiv, kiev'.
Good luck.
Yep every taxi driver knows where it is in English, nothing to fear. With Telos it was onwards and upwards!
AColonizer
08-09-08, 12:52
read this very interesting article:
http://www.kyivpost.com/nation/29364/print/
River Palace is a big business of Western people and this forum is a shop glass of that big business.
A lot of comments here are about Western business in Kiev and this is a reason because very few people blame about prices.
I am curious to try prostitutes where Western business are harder to get in. Maybe price goes down and quality goes up.
What about prostitution in Slavic countries, what is the problem? Prostitution is a Slavic background: in the past, hotels needed young blankets for their customers and girls needed money for their marriage settlements.
I bet those young studentkas loved dressing up like that ;)
AC, will you stop whining and complaining about the prices in Kyiv - please go some place else if you can't handle it in Kyiv. Simple.
As far as River Palace goes, it doesn't seem to do half the business (girls going home with guys - RP's itself seems to be fine) it did before 2005. Any of you long time veterans care to comment? Although RP isn't the place to go to find a 8 or a 9 to rock you world all night for $100-$150. It's still an enjoyable place to go to interact with the pro's and see where their head is at. Occasionally you will bump into a semi pro. And the downstairs bar is nice when there isn't a live band playing.
Toptraveler1
08-13-08, 00:25
If you have money and you think you are very smart, that is the place you should go.
Doctor_Skank
08-13-08, 09:32
A brief business trip is bringing me to Kiev next week, have a Wednesday and Thursday night to play with. When I say night I mean AFTER midnight until about 3 or 4 max since I have business dinners at night and work again 9ish. Not going to even contact any regular gfs or pro contacts. Want something new.
Methinks Arena or RP best bet, as I really won't have time to pursue any freebies.
Anybody with recent Arena experience? What was pro/non-pro scene like?
I've read the recent reports saying anywhere from $150-300 for Arena type studentki hooking. Any other recent experience?
Just for arguments sake, about $150 is all I would pay, which could make RP a challenge. Probably better off at Arena... or maybe just try Shooters and see if any semi-pros are hooking there.
Thoughts? Any other ideas club-wise? Not interested in salons or agencies.
A brief business trip is bringing me to Kiev next week, have a Wednesday and Thursday night to play with. When I say night I mean AFTER midnight until about 3 or 4 max since I have business dinners at night and work again 9ish. Not going to even contact any regular gfs or pro contacts. Want something new.
Methinks Arena or RP best bet, as I really won't have time to pursue any freebies.
Anybody with recent Arena experience? What was pro/non-pro scene like?
I've read the recent reports saying anywhere from $150-300 for Arena type studentki hooking. Any other recent experience?
Just for arguments sake, about $150 is all I would pay, which could make RP a challenge. Probably better off at Arena... or maybe just try Shooters and see if any semi-pros are hooking there.
Thoughts? Any other ideas club-wise? Not interested in salons or agencies.
Full of pick ups... but no idea on price... ask Irish Lad he may know...
But I got two "indipendent" 6 in face and 8 in body Valeria and Oksana for 300/night plus dinner so 150/200 might be OK
IT
here I copied and pasted...
Two nights with Valeria (21, 160 and 45 or so) and Oksana (23, 165 and 50 English speaking) a nice semi lesbian couple, nothing exceptional, but good, nice, well educated and stunningly cheap 300 USD + dinner for both. Got them from Hecker, unfortunately they did not do all…
The best was surely when Valeria was laying on me, cock inside, kissing, and Oksana was taking care of my balls making a tongue bath to them… got the orgasm without that Valeria moved… Oksana is a nice licker (covered) and Valeria is perfect at cow girl… the first evening she come with dying hot pants and white boots, sometimes I really like when whor** are dressed like who***!
Both have very very nice bodies and 5-6 rated faces, but Valeria (a brunette) is really getting you hard!
Total damage for Valeria and Oksana:
Two nights at 300 $ each (for both!)
Two Cialis at 20 $ each
Two dinner for three at approx 400 Grivnas each (one sushi and one BBQ style)
Doctor_Skank
08-13-08, 16:05
Full of pick ups... but no idea on price... ask Irish Lad he may know...
But I got two "indipendent" 6 in face and 8 in body Valeria and Oksana for 300/night plus dinner so 150/200 might be OK
IT
here I copied and pasted...
Two nights with Valeria (21, 160 and 45 or so) and Oksana (23, 165 and 50 English speaking) a nice semi lesbian couple, nothing exceptional, but good, nice, well educated and stunningly cheap 300 USD + dinner for both. Got them from Hecker, unfortunately they did not do all…
The best was surely when Valeria was laying on me, cock inside, kissing, and Oksana was taking care of my balls making a tongue bath to them… got the orgasm without that Valeria moved… Oksana is a nice licker (covered) and Valeria is perfect at cow girl… the first evening she come with dying hot pants and white boots, sometimes I really like when whor** are dressed like who***!
Both have very very nice bodies and 5-6 rated faces, but Valeria (a brunette) is really getting you hard!
Total damage for Valeria and Oksana:
Two nights at 300 $ each (for both!)
Two Cialis at 20 $ each
Two dinner for three at approx 400 Grivnas each (one sushi and one BBQ style)Thanks for the info.. will probably try Arena since it is within walking distance of my hotel.
Just remembered I have the number from a stripper I never met a second time as well as some RP girls I ended up abandoning at the bar.. may try them as well.
Thanks for the info.. will probably try Arena since it is within walking distance of my hotel.
Just remembered I have the number from a stripper I never met a second time as well as some RP girls I ended up abandoning at the bar.. may try them as well.
Good! And report us please... I think to another sex week... ;)
In my opinion the best way is just going and sit at the bar... order something and keep an eye on the tables... usually full of teens from 7-8 pm up to 12... then deciste which you can pick up... ;)
Usually I rent a flat exactly in front of the entrance of Mandarin so I'm not more far than 50 m from Arena and from a couple of nice bars where I can have a good breakfast. Some in the underground city (in the middle part just under the little square in front of the merket) have even "Illy caffè" a must for Italians... and the underground pub beside ul. Baseina number 5 opens at 11 and make excellent breakfast with eggs, bacon, etc...
If you need a good restaurant in walking distance (but no pick up there), on ground in my taste ARENA food is so so, you gan get at Pervak, just around the corner and next block www.pervak.kiev.ua
At the corner of the little and short Rogodieniskaya and Kreshatik... not more than 150 meters, not cheap (a good dinner will go for 100 USD for two), not western, but good international cooking, good georgian wine, good beer, they have Illy Caffè too... different areas inside, and a nice and luxurious place to "work" a normal girl to get her in bed. Worked with miss U., with Ira and others... ;)
Casual with no sneakers is OK, open to the last customer leave.
Happy hunting
It
Of course you are in a Hotel, but I write this for others too... ;) Notice that Mystery Tramp is at work again... ah ah she was on flirt some days ago... unfortunately Lol...ita is definly gone :( She is my best fuck, BBBJ + CIM + COF GFE ever... 9/10 just because no Anal.
Hi somebody has info?
http://flirt.com.ua/blestyawaakukla/
Looking for a sponsor... 18, skinny... real pig face... interested in $$$
Exactly what's needed for a nice weekend in Kiev!
Thanks in advance...
IT
read this very interesting article:
What about prostitution in Slavic countries, what is the problem? Prostitution is a Slavic background: in the past, hotels needed young blankets for their customers and girls needed money for their marriage settlements.
Hi you were just searching for Vika... the black hairde girl... found some messagers in my flirt com.ua private mai...
I suppose she is the one answering so...
приветик
60 уе час 100 уе два часа
класика орал анал куни страпон
остальное по договоренности
живу сама рядом с метро политех
Already sended the telephone number by PM
IT
AColonizer
08-14-08, 16:07
Thanks. This is the evidence I always say the truth. Unfortunately for you, mongers, these are prices of 2007 and Vika is not working in Kiev (and Ukraine) anymore. Go, go to River Palace and pay 100/200 $ hour for an easy pussy fucking. The truth is very different from what people usually say!
Hi you were just searching for Vika... the black hairde girl... found some messagers in my flirt com.ua private mai...
I suppose she is the one answering so...
приветик
60 уе час 100 уе два часа
класика орал анал куни страпон
остальное по договоренности
живу сама рядом с метро политех
Already sended the telephone number by PM
IT
How are the chances for mongering during Christmas time in Kiev? I was there a couple of times, but not during last two weeks of December. Any info will be appreciated.
How are the chances for mongering during Christmas time in Kiev? I was there a couple of times, but not during last two weeks of December. Any info will be appreciated.
1. It might be Christmas for you but for most Ukrainians its not.
2. Its just like any other week accept the last week everyone is loking forward to new year.
Kris, if you want help, RTFF and use the "search" function - type in the word "Christmas" and you will see many reports from past years accurately describing the situation here.
That time of year is basically a wasteland unless you have fully prepared and have a lot of ladies waiting just for you. Otherwise so many go off for holidays in Egypt or just go home to their parents elsewhere in the country. The 25th is a normal workday, this year the winter holiday starts the 27th until about January 12 - January 7 is the Orthodox Chistmas and it is a national holdiay here.
Doctor_Skank
08-21-08, 01:10
Kris, if you want help, RTFF and use the "search" function - type in the word "Christmas" and you will see many reports from past years accurately describing the situation here.
That time of year is basically a wasteland unless you have fully prepared and have a lot of ladies waiting just for you. Uke, speaking of wasteland, I am in Kiev for a couple of days on business and Kiev (just like Moscow) is pretty much a wasteland in August.
It's no surprise for me and totally expected as I've been here in August before, but it should be repeated for newbies. It's not the best time of year, especially for freebies.
Thankfully I wasn't interested at all in freebies tonight (a Wednesday night), since I didn't finish business until about midnight.
Summing it up:
* called stripper contact, she's on holiday but will fuck me next time when she is in Kiev. About $180/800 Grv.
* went to Arena, didn't even go in. Dead.
* 112 (or whatever it is called now) also dead.
* went to River Palace, paid 40 to get there. Was packed, but as the girls told me it was packed with durachki/idiots... i.e. tourist guys who wanted to laugh and have fun groping the girls pretending to be princes but don't have enough money to actually take one home. Sorry guys if you are in this group, they hate you.
* fair but unspectacular squad of girls, mostly 6- 8 quality
* girl who said she is "about 18" offered $500 at 12.15, I countered with $250 and told her to come back after she'd thought about it. She looked older than 18, it might have been her marketing ploy. She was tall and skinny with good tits and mile-long legs, about 1,78 (5'10"), brunette. Olessia. One of the 8s.
* about 45 min later left with same girl for $250, paid 70 grv for taxi out front (he wanted 100) and fucked her silly in Premier Palace, no prob with security.
* passionate kissing, BBBJ, all positions, no anal, 2x sex, some pictures, very, very good sex.
* me happy camper, even though $250 was more than I like as I usually like to spend no more than $200, though felt wasn't going to "escape" at 1.30 for less as RP was full of guys. Drank nothing, bought her or others nothing, so extra costs $0.
* after I kicked her out about 3.00 (2 hours) even though we'd agreed on 4.00 (3 hours) as I had to wake up early the next day, she said she's going back to RP to try for $500... sloppy seconds. We laughed. She might get it, she was one of the top 5 there.
* gave her 50 grv taxi cash, I was sex drunk, what can I say.
* didn't get her number as I (almost) never screw a pro twice. That's what girlfriends are for.
So is life in Kiev in August.
Just for argument's sake, I speak Russian quite well. May or may not help, I don't know anymore... but tend to think it will make your overall experience better.
Sounds like the two crews deserve each other - the scheming ho's and the time wasting tourists.
Very bad for giving her 50uah for taxi money after paying $250, knowing she was going back to RP.
A few years ago I think it helped if you spoke Russian at RP. I don't think it does now. Unless you come across the rare semi pro.
Just think in another week or so the city will be packed with fresh university girls. :)
* went to River Palace, paid 40 to get there. Was packed, but as the girls told me it was packed with durachki/idiots... i.e. tourist guys who wanted to laugh and have fun groping the girls pretending to be princes but don't have enough money to actually take one home. Sorry guys if you are in this group, they hate you.
* after I kicked her out about 3.00 (2 hours) even though we'd agreed on 4.00 (3 hours) as I had to wake up early the next day, she said she's going back to RP to try for $500... sloppy seconds. We laughed. She might get it, she was one of the top 5 there.
* gave her 50 grv taxi cash, I was sex drunk, what can I say.
Just for argument's sake, I speak Russian quite well. May or may not help, I don't know anymore... but tend to think it will make your overall experience better.
You are inflating the prices!!! ;)
250 for 2 hours.. Phone to the Mystery Tramp... ;) she gets 400 but all nighter...
Don't worry, just joking ...
IT
Uke, speaking of wasteland, I am in Kiev for a couple of days on business and Kiev (just like Moscow) is pretty much a wasteland in August.
Skank,
Been waiting for your report. Sounds like it was an underwhelming visit with the exception of the RP Pro. For those of us who don't know, please tell why Kiev is so dead in August. And more to the point, when does it pick up again? I am probably going to be in Kiev September 13 - 16. It's my first time in Kiev and I have no clue where to go so I am taking my pointer from you and the boys on the forum. A buddy from Moscow may join me but he hasn't been in Kiev for years so I am anticipating that he will not be much help at all.
The one thing I do have going for me is that I do speak some Ukrainian. Or perhaps it will be a liability? I grew up speaking Ukrainian as my family is originally form there. The only problem is that I have the Ukrainian vocabulary of a 10 year old!!!!!! Who knows, maybe the "diwchinkas" will find that endearing? Maybe not.
Back to business - so what I am hearing is that River Palace is a bit of a hike from the center of town but it is a pretty sure bet for pros? True?
Arena sounds like a nightclub with both pros and amateurs. True?
Since you have the phone number of a stripper in Kiev, I am assuming that there is a strip bar that might be worth visiting as well. Yes?
For those who are itching to tell me to RTFF, I have combed it carefully and the information that seems to be specific also appears to be quite dated.
I have invested some time on Mamba trying to scare up some amateur recruit action and am getting nowhere. Not even a nibble. Even the girls who are bordered in pink are not answering my charming inquiries. Is Mamba not the right dating site for Kiev? Just to make sure it was not just "me" I went trolling for recruits in Moscow and got plenty so there must be something about Mamba and Kiev.
I am headed to Kiev after 3 days in Ashgabat (T-stan) and have no idea what-so-ever how THAT's going to turn out in the mongering department but will be sure to write a report.
Thanks, in advance, for any tips, directions, phone numbers, and recommendations in Kiev.
Jake
Doctor_Skank
08-21-08, 16:07
Sounds like the two crews deserve each other - the scheming ho's and the time wasting tourists.
Very bad for giving her 50uah for taxi money after paying $250, knowing she was going back to RP.
You are inflating the prices!!! ;)
250 for 2 hours.. Phone to the Mystery Tramp... ;) she gets 400 but all nighter...
Don't worry, just joking ...
ITI thought I might get some flak for paying $250 and I admit it is more than I prefer to spend, but here's my comments.
* It was either $250 or a) nothing and sleeping with a hard-on needing relief or b) waiting until 3 am and saving $50.
* $250/2 hours is high-end compared to other options. Nonetheless, we agreed on longer (she would've stayed as long as I wanted most probably, at least 3 hours), but I needed sleep as I had to work next day. She didn't leave, I kicked her out.
* IT, I hear what you are saying but a) very rarely do I like all-nighters, as I usually need some sleep for either work or if not working, maintaining my grueling freebie schedule. b) I don't like fucking the same ho twice. Why? c)MT? You have to be kidding.
* Cruiser of course you are right, she didn't need taxi money but a) we'd already agreed on it before and b) I was sex drunk and c) it's $10. WTF.
Skank,
Been waiting for your report. Sounds like it was an underwhelming visit with the exception of the RP Pro.
Thanks, in advance, for any tips, directions, phone numbers, and recommendations in Kiev.
JakeJake:
* I really enjoyed RP actually, which is rare for me. I usually dislike the place. But ever since I fucked my secretary at work a couple weeks ago, I've been in a good mood.
* I'd arrived from Moscow where I had been in the SwissOtel for 3 nights and banged 3 freebies (2 previous contacts), so a no-hassle pro sounded good... besides, it was pretty dead in the Arena clubs I checked out on that Wednesday night.
* River Palace is ONLY pros. It's Kiev's Night Flight. It's fairly central, but you'll need a taxi.
* Arena is pros and amateurs, yes. It's not really popular among the Kiev in crowd, but tourist girls, village girls and pros go there. It's the McDonald's of discos, which can either be good or bad depending on your perspective. Will probably go there tonight.
* September is GREAT. As Cruiser mentioned, new university girls arrive all horny and tan from their summer holidays.
* August sucks because a) many girls on holiday and b) university not in session, lots of talent goes home. Actually, Moscow is similar in some ways, but the lack of girls is more extreme in Kiev. Odessa is just the opposite. I go there tomorrow.
* Speaking Ukrainian, even if childish, will definitely be a boon.
* Very good dating/freebie scene, but beware of scams and the scene is a bit different from Moscow. In a way it's more basic.
* There are a couple of strip locales, PM me.
MichaelGage
08-22-08, 19:25
Hey guys, I'm in Kiev a few days from the 26th. Anyone want to touch base and share a few beers?
Michael Gage
LifeSavour
08-23-08, 05:45
. I have invested some time on Mamba trying to scare up some amateur recruit action and am getting nowhere. Not even a nibble. JakeNot certain if Mamba is one of the many 'sister sites' to love. Mail. Ru? If it is, I can't beleive you are having troubles. I have used love since early 2005, am 50, no russian, and I get many, Many, MANY to respond!
Must be my 'charm'.
LS Guy
Kiev is dry on cheap prices. Last winter one agency I used was $70-80 and now 135-160. I met a hot girl I can't share info on that was fantastic. I also met a 32 year old off Flirt that gave me the best bbbj I ever felt, made me explode and swallowed without hesitation. Never felt anything like brought me to the border of cumming three times and finished the fourth. Licked me head to toe. She had and enjoyed complete control. She also had the wettest pussy (naturally no lube) that I ever felt. She made the trip worth while. This ran me $180 for two hours but she stayed much longer, and I believe would have spent the night.
I tried another girl after her (19) and could barely even get off, to mechanical. In all paid $800 for 3 girls and one for nothing
Prices are to high in Kiev to go for sex alone, I don't understand people that do it for no other reason. Going to enjoy Kiev and having sex while there is a different story.
Hey guys, I'm in Kiev a few days from the 26th. Anyone want to touch base and share a few beers?
Michael Gage
Let me throw the following into ring, for what it is worth, re MichaelGage. Never met the gentleman and he does absent himself from posting for extended periods. However, MichaelG's long past posts (still available) were some of the very informative ones that piqued my interest in ISG and the valuable information to found in ISG and from its band of mongers globably continues.
I won't be anywhere near Kiev from the 26th, but cheers and monger on Michael ! If I was, I certainly would want to meet the man and share a few beers and tales.
Markharding
08-23-08, 12:41
* September is GREAT. As Cruiser mentioned, new university girls arrive all horny and tan from their summer holidays.It really makes sense. These girls were on the beaches looking for summer romance. There was a huge shortage of men, both locals, rich Russians, Arabs, Turks, and not to forget THE Westerners. The scene could be best described by a DROUGHT. So these girls could not wait for their holiday to get over to come back to Kiev and sleep with foreigners.
It all makes sense. I cannot wait to visit Kiev in September.
Thanks for the tip .
Do you have a man crush on MG? ;)
Doc, how's Kyiv? Too busy to report? Have some nacho's at Friday's for me. :)
* IT, I hear what you are saying but a) very rarely do I like all-nighters, as I usually need some sleep for either work or if not working, maintaining my grueling freebie schedule. b) I don't like fucking the same ho twice. Why? c)MT? You have to be kidding.
.
Was just joking doc!!!
You know I do the contrary (overnights and often the same girls...) happy hunting...
IT
Doctor_Skank
08-24-08, 11:12
It really makes sense. These girls were on the beaches looking for summer romance. There was a huge shortage of men, both locals, rich Russians, Arabs, Turks, and not to forget THE Westerners. The scene could be best described by a DROUGHT. So these girls could not wait for their holiday to get over to come back to Kiev and sleep with foreigners.
It all makes sense. I cannot wait to visit Kiev in September.
Thanks for the tip .Are you attempting sarcasm? ) September is infinitely better than August for girls in Kiev.
Do you have a man crush on MG? ;)
Doc, how's Kyiv? Too busy to report? Have some nacho's at Friday's for me. :)Cruiser, Kiev was just a roadbump on my way to Odessa... am there now.. :)
I have invested some time on Mamba trying to scare up some amateur recruit action and am getting nowhere. Not even a nibble. Even the girls who are bordered in pink are not answering my charming inquiries. Is Mamba not the right dating site for Kiev? Just to make sure it was not just "me" I went trolling for recruits in Moscow and got plenty so there must be something about Mamba and Kiev. As a lot of Kiev students and or employees are out of the city, alot of them are also not online. It'll pick up. Besides, Mamba takes patience and a lot of groundwork. I hate it since I am lazy and bored with i-chat, but it does pay dividends so keep it up.
As a lot of Kiev students and or employees are out of the city, alot of them are also not online. It'll pick up. Besides, Mamba takes patience and a lot of groundwork. I hate it since I am lazy and bored with i-chat, but it does pay dividends so keep it up.
Good call. It has been slow, but I was persistent and got a few nibbles. I got a reply (and an email) from a girl who claims to be an independent pro who works out of her apartment. From her photos she appears to have a rock hard body at 42 Kg and promises to be into all of the fun things that would make me want to pursue the lead.
Does anyone have any experience with the girls (from Kiev) who work the dating sites and are pros who operate out of their apartments? Good? Bad? Safe? Not? On the surface they appear be similar to the girls who have the same type of business in Moscow.
Anyone? ........ Anyone? ......... Behuler? (sorry- old joke).
Gamma Ray 007
08-26-08, 16:06
I wish I had visited Roksolana's massage place as soon as I got to Kiev as I would have enjoyed more than my quick one-off visit. See http://roksolana-massage.com.ua/eng/massage/ for phone number. They have moved to 3a st. Tarasivska but the general area is the same. I find it easy to take the Metro to Universitets then take the path that goes between the medical center and botanical garten to Tasasivska. Their place is a 100m further past Lva Tolstova on the E. side of the street.
It took multiple phone calls to work out an appointment, but I was finally told which floor to visit and Dasha, who has some English, met me and introduced me to Natasha. "She will give your massage." Natasha seemed shy and not the usual brash, smoky sex-worker I've encountered in Kiev so often. She took my Hr. 300 (for an hour--if only I could have lasted that long!) and showed me to a nice bath for a solo shower. I then lay face down on a clean sheet on a nice bed in a very clean and efficient bedroom and she oiled up my back from shoulders to legs, then more oil for herself, and proceeded to give me a lovely oiled body-to-body massage with lots of squishing, pressing, and friction from her lovely, 23-something body with full breasts and shapely bottom. No flat buns on Natasha!
After some time (who can keep track of time under those circs?) she flipped me, oiled up the front, and proceeded to a similar series of rubs--front to front, front to side, front to back, breast to face, buns to groin--it was, to a B2B newbie such as myself, freaking awesome. I was getting a bit too close with the "rod between the buns" position so I got her to switch to a doggie style that gave me great visuals (shaved) and she turned her manual attention to my penis. It was a fabulous finish, and she didn't quit until I was screaming and pounding for her to stop.
Another shower to cleanup, and throughout the initial cleanup, shower, and redressing Natasha sat around looking cuter than any Penthouse model. If fact, she could easily have been better looking than 90% of the babes at http://www.kindgirls.com, and that's saying a lot.
So there you go--cheap, clean, safe, non-smoking, and very satisfying. Not recommended if you must have FS/oral, as that is apparently not on the menu, but hey, I'm a foreigner and we never *really* know what's going on.
PS The posted phone numbers are +38 044 2280848 and +38 067 2795085.
So there you go--cheap, clean, safe, non-smoking, and very satisfying. Not recommended if you must have FS/oral, as that is apparently not on the menu, but hey, I'm a foreigner and we never *really* know what's going on.
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GR7 - thanks for the tip. Will put it to good use in a few weeks.
Doctor_Skank
08-26-08, 22:04
Good call. It has been slow, but I was persistent and got a few nibbles. I got a reply (and an email) from a girl who claims to be an independent pro who works out of her apartment. From her photos she appears to have a rock hard body at 42 Kg and promises to be into all of the fun things that would make me want to pursue the lead. Sounds like a good thing.
I can only repeat my experience that getting laid with a pro (or regular gf) to start a mongering trip gives your mojo a kick start and will help you enter any normal dating situation with the right cockiness. Helps me anyway.
As for Mamba, keep plugging away. It can take time to get good leads, it doesn't take to long to figure out which contacts are a waste of time. A lot of girls are there just to chat. Filter them out.
Gamma Ray 007
You are so right. I have enjoyed several fantastic massages, notably from a student at Premier Palace that I just happened to bump into in the lobby as her booking had let her down!! We all get lucky sometimes? She seemed like quite a newbie looking to earn some extra cash and tried very hard to please! Your report made me LoL as it was just as tough for me to concentrate, as she was about 19 and fucking fit!!!
Often thought about trying the place you mentioned in your report, but never got around to it. Maybe next visit?
Fox7717
I was on my way to my apartment on Lesi Ukrainki Blvd. When all of a sudden this blond hair guy finds a bag on the ground. Acting surprised he show's me it's a bag full of cash. He was very convincing. Then he offers to spilt half of it with me. My greed got the best of me and I said okay. At the last moment I said "no I don't want it, you keep it" because I remembered reading in some forum about this scam. With in 15 seconds another guy claims he lost a lot of money. I believe the scam goes like this, If I had taken the money, the other man who conveniently showed up just before the transfer, would have said that was his money. He would count it and say there is some missing. He would accuse me of keeping some of his money. He would harass me and call me a thief. He would then threaten to call the police, until I paid him the remainder of the missing money. Fortunately I remembered the the article that one of our fellow hobbyist wrote.
Also a friend of mine in Kiev told me an associate of his had won $2000 at River Palace. He was going to take a taxi home, but a car just happened to pull up and offered to take them where they were going. The girl he met at RP said it was better to take the car because it was cheaper then the taxi. He reluctantly agreed. He didn't realize it at the time, but the girl slipped some drugs in his drink while he was inside RP. He woke up in some alley with all his money stolen. So my fellow hobbyist always keep your eye your drink. If you're unsure about it get a new one! And if you are carrying a lot of cash on you. It's better take the taxi! Play it safe unless you are absolutely sure you can trust the girl your taking to your apartment or hotel.
On my next report I will write about a great experience I had at a massage parlor in Kiev.
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Doctor_Skank
08-27-08, 22:16
notably from a student at Premier Palace that I just happened to bump into in the lobby as her booking had let her down!! Speaking of Premier Palace, it is a great no-hassles girl-friendly hotel with a perfect location.
Rooms OK... probably 4 star by international standards, but overall 5 star ambience.
One thing though... I KNOW there must be lobby girls, especially based on the reports here... but in a casual glance around I personally didn't see any in the lobby or lobby bar from about 11pm-1am. No prob for me as I ended up going RP, but still thought it was curious. Wednesday and Thursday night.
Maybe I missed something?
Anybody try the strip cabaret upstairs? Any action there? I didn't try due to business commitments, but saw some hotties headed that way.
Dr Skank,
Agree PP Hotel is fine if rather soulless and rooms are a bit drab.
I have seen several lobby girls, but crap quality. Staff always look bored?
Tried The Opera last time, which was better I thought, apart from location.
Anyway, I had a good look around Taboo 'nightclub' It's quite impressive & classy. The girls were just awesome!! but it's obvious you will spend a small fortune before even a sniff of take out and so decided to leave it until I have something to celebrate and feeling stupid! (Overall would cost $2,000+ I think)
Fox7717
A note about Rio & River Palace: Most of these girls, especially those who haven't been in the business for a long time, are looking actually for a permanent sponsor. If you are in Kiev for a long trip or come here on a regular basis, you can easily turn many of these girls into freebies relatively quickly, given you are willing to invest some time and energy. The first time you take them home, treat them real nice, like a girlfriend. If there is chemistry between you and the sex was good, next day SMS them thanking for a great night and say something like you are looking forward to see them again. Invite them to your apartment a few days later and pay again. Then invite them to a regular date: to dinner, movies, bowling, skating etc. The 3rd or 4th time around you will probably not need to pay at all. Once you establish the trust, they will be more than happy to accompany you for free to vacations in Turkey, Egypt, Crimea etc. Of course you pay all expenses at all times...
Either way you are still paying. I haven't met a FSU girl yet who wasn't more then happy to go on an all expense paid vacation.
And a lot of girls working at River Palace do have sponsors, you figure that one out. ;) So whenever your GFE is at 'momma's' or out with the girls she's probably picking up some spare change at RP.
Dr S, there used to be quite a few very expensive, very good looking lobby girls at PP. I haven't actually been in PP in two years so my intel is not current.
Cruiser D
I think maybe your memories are playing 'tricks' with you?
Stayed at PP several times over past c2 years and lobby girls have been crap!
Would not even think about it!
Maybe it was a bit longer then that. As the Kyiv nightlife and sugar daddy scene developed PP must have become less then an ideal location for the hot girls. Up until 2005 it was one of very few upscale locations.
I miss those days. :)
Markharding
08-29-08, 22:44
A note about Rio & River Palace: Most of these girls, especially those who haven't been in the business for a long time, are looking actually for a permanent sponsor. If you are in Kiev for a long trip or come here on a regular basis, you can easily turn many of these girls into freebies relatively quickly, given you are willing to invest some time and energy. The first time you take them home, treat them real nice, like a girlfriend. If there is chemistry between you and the sex was good, next day SMS them thanking for a great night and say something like you are looking forward to see them again. Invite them to your apartment a few days later and pay again. Then invite them to a regular date: to dinner, movies, bowling, skating etc. The 3rd or 4th time around you will probably not need to pay at all. Once you establish the trust, they will be more than happy to accompany you for free to vacations in Turkey, Egypt, Crimea etc. ...And then you can get married to them.
And then you can get married to them.
Thanks Markharding, brilliant post, keep up the good work!
Cruiser, of course you are right. We are paying always, but in this case under a significantly discounted rate and service quality is guaranteed. One can have a wonderful week for under $1,000 with a cutie who really knows how to satisfy your needs. Markharding, can you tell me what is wrong with that?
Markharding
09-02-08, 00:03
Thanks Markharding, brilliant post, keep up the good work!
Cruiser, of course you are right. We are paying always, but in this case under a significantly discounted rate and service quality is guaranteed. One can have a wonderful week for under $1,000 with a cutie who really knows how to satisfy your needs. Markharding, can you tell me what is wrong with that?There is nothing wrong with that. If this is what you want, it is your perogative.
But my opinion is that these girls are professional actresses. This is why mongers are constantly chasing pros from town to town, country to country, and continent to continent, IN SEARCH OF THAT GIRL-FRIEND EXPERIENCE.
But one will never get a GFE except with a true girl-friend.
In my opinion, this whole issue of mongering is an addictive disease, like gambling etc ... And I wish I can be cured of this disease myself.
Take care and thanks for reading.
As the good Doc likes to say, as long as you are having fun that's all that matters.
PP does have the perfect location, but if I was on the company dime I think I'd rather spend it at the Hyatt. Maybe PP tanked the lobby girls to promote the strip club? The big money by the hour girls or sugar babies are hanging out at Decedence.
Hey Doc, are we doing the Superbowl at RP again this year? It will be year #5 for me - four at RP, one at Arena. I think I'm going to skip NYE in Kyiv this year but ya never know.
Doctor_Skank
09-02-08, 09:28
As the good Doc likes to say, as long as you are having fun that's all that matters.
PP does have the perfect location, but if I was on the company dime I think I'd rather spend it at the Hyatt. Maybe PP tanked the lobby girls to promote the strip club? The big money by the hour girls or sugar babies are hanging out at Decedence.
Hey Doc, are we doing the Superbowl at RP again this year? It will be year #5 for me - four at RP, one at Arena. I think I'm going to skip NYE in Kyiv this year but ya never know.If money were absolutely no object, I might chose the Hyatt as well... but as it is, the Hyatt is about $200 MORE a night than PP. It was the company's time, but I did have to show some inkling of financial responsibility.
Super Bowl is on, for sure. Wouldn't miss it for the world! I'm staying longer this time to... will prob arrive Saturday and stay through most of the week.
Was in the RP for the 100th time. If you see a girl from there driving a Ferrari, it was paid by me :-)
Girls now ask already USD 400. Regardless whetehr you agree or not with their price level, that they try (i never paid) to raise their prices, is not unfair: Kiev is getting avery expensive place very fast. 20% inflation in the first 5 months of the year! The Radisson was around 290 euro/night a year ago, soon it is 390.
The Hyatt went up froim 414 euro a few months ago to more than 500 euro now! SO one night in Kiev can become expensive when you take "all the expensive options":-)
Was in the RP for the 100th time. If you see a girl from there driving a Ferrari, it was paid by me :-)
Girls now ask already USD 400. Regardless whetehr you agree or not with their price level, that they try (i never paid) to raise their prices, is not unfair: Kiev is getting avery expensive place very fast. 20% inflation in the first 5 months of the year! The Radisson was around 290 euro/night a year ago, soon it is 390.
The Hyatt went up froim 414 euro a few months ago to more than 500 euro now! SO one night in Kiev can become expensive when you take "all the expensive options":-)
Its called inflation in a growing economy! if your from the US that's a strange saying I know to put growing and economy in the same sentence!
But hey some places in the world still have growth.
The words credit crunch are not heard here in Ukraine.......
Yea I met the girl with the ferrari she gave me a lift home... telling me something about daft foreginers thinking pussy is worth so much ;)
Yea I met the girl with the ferrari she gave me a lift home...
Are you guys serious about a girl at RP with a Ferrari? I thought you were just joking. Will be in Kiev the weekend of the 13th. Must check her out for myself. But if prices are really headed to where you say they are, it might be a short visit to RP.
Doctor_Skank
09-04-08, 23:53
Are you guys serious about a girl at RP with a Ferrari? I thought you were just joking. Will be in Kiev the weekend of the 13th. Must check her out for myself. But if prices are really headed to where you say they are, it might be a short visit to RP.My advice for RP:
* Go there for fun and with the right attitude. It's your night.
* The right attitude is that it is a game, because it is. You can't win, but you don't have to lose.
* If you want to get laid, plan on spending $250-300. No more.
* You can get away with less, but you'll have to wait until at least 2:30-3:00. Girls start with $500.
Take a look, there are good girls to be had and performance is IME very good. But there are few "bargains" price-wise in RP. Essentially it is a slightly bigger version of RP.
Good! And report us please... I think to another sex week... ;)
In my opinion the best way is just going and sit at the bar... order something and keep an eye on the tables... usually full of teens from 7-8 pm up to 12... then deciste which you can pick up... ;)
Usually I rent a flat exactly in front of the entrance of Mandarin so I'm not more far than 50 m from Arena and from a couple of nice bars where I can have a good breakfast. Some in the underground city (in the middle part just under the little square in front of the merket) have even "Illy caffè" a must for Italians... and the underground pub beside ul. Baseina number 5 opens at 11 and make excellent breakfast with eggs, bacon, etc...
If you need a good restaurant in walking distance (but no pick up there), on ground in my taste ARENA food is so so, you gan get at Pervak, just around the corner and next block www.pervak.kiev.ua
At the corner of the little and short Rogodieniskaya and Kreshatik... not more than 150 meters, not cheap (a good dinner will go for 100 USD for two), not western, but good international cooking, good georgian wine, good beer, they have Illy Caffè too... different areas inside, and a nice and luxurious place to "work" a normal girl to get her in bed. Worked with miss U., with Ira and others... ;)
Casual with no sneakers is OK, open to the last customer leave.
Happy hunting
It
Of course you are in a Hotel, but I write this for others too... ;) Notice that Mystery Tramp is at work again... ah ah she was on flirt some days ago... unfortunately Lol...ita is definly gone :( She is my best fuck, BBBJ + CIM + COF GFE ever... 9/10 just because no Anal.Hello IT can you give me the exact address of "Illy Caffè" ? or much more informations for find it?
Thank you
Duesentrieb
09-07-08, 22:14
I don't write reports here because of my limited English skills, anyway I had a question about the Taxi Prices in Kiev today:
1. What is a fair price for the trip from Borispol-Airport to the city centre ?
2. What is a fair price for distances within the city if you take non-official taxis, for example from maidan-place to "Shooters" Discotheque?
Thanks in advance!
Okay, a taxi question, I'll field this one.
The taxi services that most locals use charge around 110uah to go to the airport. I paid 108uah at the end of this winter from Maidan to Borispil. Taking a taxi from Borispil to the center always seems to be a little more expensive due to taxi mafia pricing. I paid 150uah on NYE for Borispil to the center, anywhere from 100uah to 150uah is reasonable pricing. However, I have never actually walked past the taxi guys to outside the terminal to see if I could get a better fare, might be worth a try.
Pricing inside the center tends to run from 20uah anywhere inside the center to 50uah to anywhere the metro goes. I haven't used a private car in about 2 years so I have no idea where that pricing is. ALWAYS settle on the pricing before you get in the car. If it's too high flag down the next car.
Dr S. I still think the breaking point at RP is $200 for several hours. I could be wrong - I'm not an RP pro, but I do know people who are. :)
Some advice for taxi by my personal experience.
1. Lada taxis cost always less than other more advanced vehicles. It is more unlikely that you get scammed by entering an old Lada taxi. So search for Ladas everywhere.
2. Do not approach taxis which stand next to each other because their drivers are friends and by the time one of them gives an offer, the rest will not accept any grivnya less. So it is better to approach alone taxis.
3. In airport. When you arrive, a guy or more will come to you and tell you to come to their taxis before you even exit terminal. They will never leave you being on your face literally and speaking to you constantly.
Never accept to get into the taxi of the first person who comes and talks to you. He will ask for a ridiculous price, for example 250 grivnyas because he regards you as an ignorant tourist. Say I know the price is only 100 grivnyas and say it in Russian. The first driver will not accept such a low offer and will try to take you to his friends who will try to arrange a slightly better price let's say 150-180 grivnya. You have to ignore them and go to the next group of taxi drivers.
It is important if the drivers are friends between each other. If they are not, they will start giving competitive prices, for example one will say I will take you with 140 grivnyas, you tell that the other from the different group of drivers and he says, O. K. , I will take you with 130 grivnyas, you act then like willing to enter the taxi and then get again to the first driver who offered you 140 grivnyas, you tell him the other driver from the next group accepts only 120 grivnyas, so he has to lower the price. He will say something like O. K.come in, I will take you with 110 grivnyas.
By this time you can enter the taxi because if you try to get even more discount by continuing the bid, it is likely that some others like managers will appear to solve the conflict and they will insist that you pay 150 grivnyas or you have to leave. So just take advantage and do not overdo because they regard bid as stealing them while if they manage to keep the price up by former arrangement that no taxi driver will take less than 150 grivnyas for example, means that they win.
The point is to win them but to not completely humiliate them as to make them take revenge. (aka the driver saying sorry Mr. , I don't have coins or 10, 20 grivnyas banknotes, so I cannot give you 30 back if you give me 150, meaning that you have to pay 150 actually since it is impossible for you to get 10, 20 grivnya banknotes in remote area).
The means Ukrainians use to scam tourists
1. Blackmail
2. Quick action, so you cannot oppose it
3. Element of surprise. You do not expect at all that it will happen
4. Taking you in unfavourable circumstances. When you are off balance, on trip, tired, in remote areas, etc. So you don't have power to resist.
I gave you some hints about the way they think and see situations. There are winners and losers everywhere.
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Wages in Kiev reached 3200 grivnya last July.This means 500 euro average wage.In province they reached 2000 grivnya,about 300 euro.
So in comparison to 1999(average wage 50$) the salaries are 6 times higher and in comparison to 2003(average 85$) more than 3 times higher since the dollar is devalued,so we take euro into account.
Inflation rose by 30% last year,so money spent on dates increase.
Comparison to Poland:wages 2.5 times less than the polish (850 euro).
Comparison to Czech Republic:wages 3 times less than the czech (900 euro).
Kiev wages more than half than average polish wage.
All these reflect on the difficulty on getting girls.
Even more:Unemployment in Ukraine is 8%,in CR 8%,in Poland 12%.
In Kiev less than 1%.
So the map has changed since 2003 for example when the average ukrainian wage was 5 times lower than the czech and 4 times lower than the polish.
The difference becomes less in relative terms but bigger in absolute numbers.
What matters for getting freebies in my opinion are the relative numbers,the proportion,3:1 in 2008 between CR and Ukraine instead of 5:1 in 2003 and not the absolute difference in wages (400 euro in 2003,600 euro now).
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Wages in Kiev reached 3200 grivnya last July.This means 500 euro average wage.In province they reached 2000 grivnya,about 300 euro.
So in comparison to 1999(average wage 50$) the salaries are 6 times higher and in comparison to 2003(average 85$) more than 3 times higher since the dollar is devalued,so we take euro into account.
Inflation rose by 30% last year,so money spent on dates increase.
Comparison to Poland:wages 2.5 times less than the polish (850 euro).
Comparison to Czech Republic:wages 3 times less than the czech (900 euro).
Kiev wages more than half than average polish wage.
All these reflect on the difficulty on getting girls.
Even more:Unemployment in Ukraine is 8%,in CR 8%,in Poland 12%.
In Kiev less than 1%.
So the map has changed since 2003 for example when the average ukrainian wage was 5 times lower than the czech and 4 times lower than the polish.
The difference becomes less in relative terms but bigger in absolute numbers.
What matters for getting freebies in my opinion are the relative numbers,the proportion,3:1 in 2008 between CR and Ukraine instead of 5:1 in 2003 and not the absolute difference in wages (400 euro in 2003,600 euro now).
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The gas prices have just risen by 65%, thanks to the dick head presedent inviting the americans to use Ukrainian ports and come visit him on a weekly basis. so the wages are all spent anyway and bound to go up more!
I think that the limit is the 300 euro. I mean, as I have written before, when the average wages exceed 300 euro per month (or 300$ when referring to older times), chances to get freebies get much worse because the lower class, unemployed etc desperate girls who strived for short term relationships (even for one day) with foreigners vanish and the more they disapear, the less the chances for getting quick results (without having to start a relationship) become.
It happened in Czech Republic in 1999 when the wages surpassed 300$ per month and in Poland in 2001 when the same happened.
It probably happened in Russia two years ago. (just see the reports in Moscow 2005 section and compare to those nowadays).
So in my opinion the huge base that provided easy to shag freebies for one night stand has shrinken to such an extent that it is almost impossible for the short time traveller to rely on finding them and so he has to start long term relationship (which means visiting more often than once a year), which before was not the case and of course no prerequisite for getting laid.
But I just want to give my feelings regarding the Ukraine economy, I am not an ecomomist by any means, but I ve lived here for the past four years and I also spent the night in the Hotel Donbass. Twice.
I think Qjump and Hecker both raise interesting points, and I can see were they're coming from, right now in Ukraine we have Inflation (big time) which is high prices, high wages, high growth, low unemployment, last April in a move to curb this inflation the UAH was made stronger against all majors, I think they made this move in an effort to slow the economy, and maybe even bring on a mild resession, and this would mean low prices, low growth, low wages, and higher unemployment. It appears to be working somewhat, the inflation rate at present is 16 percent, a few months ago it was close to 30, and economists are predicting that for the year 2009, inflation could be as low as 9 percent. My feelings, wishfull thinking, I think 12 or 13 percent is more realistic.
Qjump makes an interesting point, I think he's saying high wages; yes, but also high energy costs, which of course is very true. As an example, the cost for bus fare has risen by 100 percent in the past year, an average ukrainan could easily spend 100 dollars a month on bus fares. But, it could get much worst, on January 1, natural gas cost could increase 300 percent, and if this happens, expect to see; to put it bluntly, and economic collapse. The reason for this is because the industry here has not modernized, not at all, plants spend alot of money for their engerny needs and if this increases, I think you can expect to see lay offs in the thousands, esp. Were I live in the far east. Just my feelings, if any one wants to know about the circus called Ukraine politics I can give input re: that issue as well. And one more thing, OBAMA! Please.
Reiner Otto
09-13-08, 12:35
last April in a move to curb this inflation the UAH was made stronger against all majors, I think they made this move in an effort to slow the economy, and maybe even bring on a mild resession, and this would mean low prices, low growth, low wages, and higher unemployment. It appears to be working somewhat, the inflation rate at present is 16 percent,
Sorry, you provide some misleading/incorrect info:
1)Booming economy ?
NJET !
In August, the real industrial production (inflation of prices being considered) of UA fell 0.5% compared to August 2007. Could be seasonal effect, though. But I do not think so, because of slowing world economy, and the rise of energy prices beginning of next year.
http://www.kommersant.ua/doc.html?docId=1024151
2)Industry is worried about stagflation: sinking production AND increasing prices.
The strong UHA hurts the industrial export, which has to compete with China etc.
In the first seven months of 2008 the prices for industrial products have risen 34.1% !
http://www.kommersant.ua/doc.html?docId=1008761
3)The inflation in the fist 8 months of 2008 was 14.8%, in comparison to August 2007 it was 26% !
http://korrespondent.net/business/economics/576007
Especially inflation for foodstuff I can personally see very clearly:
In May, I bought 10 eggs on the market here in Nikolaev for about 3.5UHA.
Now I have to pay 5.5UHA !
Cheapest mineral water on the market in Nikolaev in May 1.75UHA/1.5l, now 2UHA !
Cheese, for instance, on the market almost as expensive as in the cheap food shops in Germany (ALDI, Lidl). Minimum for cheese is about 32UHA/kg, which is equivalent to 4.76Eu/kg with current exchange rate.
At ALDI in Germany you can buy starting at 4.99E/kg.
Cheers from Nikolaev
When cheese gets the squeeze you know things are bad.
Seriously, is such detailed economic analysis really useful when trying to pull girls? Let's suppose a Kiev girl in her early twenties is earning an exceptional - or at least very good for her age - salary, say $900 pm. After she's covered rent ($5-600 per month) and food ($100 if she eats at home) she's got precious little left over for fun. Maybe a few cocktails with her friends, the odd tight fitting pair of jeans.. Plus she'll be paying for transport and lunch every day.
She's going to need some kind of male input for the luxuries. Increasingly that male contribution is going to be from local Ukrainian guys, but dinner with wine at a fancy restaurant, the sort of thing to sweep her off her feet, is not something she'll experience within her local circle that often as it's not a priority when your total entertainment budget is $200 for the month. That's where we come in.
BTW it's important to make sure you click first before spending money; don't spend in the hope it'll make her like you! Obvious, but worth reiterating.
When cheese gets the squeeze you know things are bad.
Seriously, is such detailed economic analysis really useful when trying to pull girls? Let's suppose a Kiev girl in her early twenties is earning an exceptional - or at least very good for her age - salary, say $900 pm. After she's covered rent ($5-600 per month) and food ($100 if she eats at home) she's got precious little left over for fun. Maybe a few cocktails with her friends, the odd tight fitting pair of jeans.. Plus she'll be paying for transport and lunch every day.
She's going to need some kind of male input for the luxuries. Increasingly that male contribution is going to be from local Ukrainian guys, but dinner with wine at a fancy restaurant, the sort of thing to sweep her off her feet, is not something she'll experience within her local circle that often as it's not a priority when your total entertainment budget is $200 for the month. That's where we come in.
BTW it's important to make sure you click first before spending money; don't spend in the hope it'll make her like you! Obvious, but worth reiterating.Yes, exactly. They need the luxuries. I older times they needed to survive. It is very different to get a girl by paying for her a pizza or a chicken to eat and very different to wait that a girl will be so exceptionally pleased by a perfect expensive meal in a luxury restaurant that she is going to sleep with you.
Girls really needed the small money before 2003 for survival, substinence reasons, not for luxury.
AColonizer
09-16-08, 01:22
Hey guys,
That's all true! The global economy is our problem because mongers are becoming poorer and girls are becoming richer.
Luxury is a necessity that begins where necessity ends :)
this report is a little tardy but suppose better late than never. as you may recall, i was in ashgabat, turkmenistan before coming to kiev. well, actually, i flew s7 airlines from ashgabat to moscow arriving at 6:40 am on friday. after spending the day doing laundry and suffering from “tourista” i caught a 4:30 pm flight on aerosvit to kiev. yep, you heard right. tourista, montezuma’s revenge (maybe turkmenbashi's revenge is more apropos), walking trots, hershey squirts, peeing out your bum (ok – that’s too much information). i must be getting too complacent with all of this travel because i picked up some sort of bug in ashgabat that literally liquefied everything that i ate for about three days.
since it was a night flight from ashgabat and i spent all day in less than great shape, i was pretty bushed when i got to kiev. i came down with a buddy who works in moscow and was in need of a much deserved “wild weekend in kiev” and did not want to let him down, so as soon as we got settled in the flat, we went out on the town for dinner. we chose avalon, which turned out to be a good choice. friday night was crawling with devushki and avalon had its fair share. as it was still early we went up to the top floor for a nice seafood dinner. unfortunately, my stomach was just not cooperating and i desperately needed to rest and try to get my system back to normal. so armed with immodium i was back at the flat and in bed by 11:00 pm while ildar my buddy went back to avalon where he told me he had an awesome time. with the exception of having to get up to “take care of business” a few times, i slept fairly well.
at about 5:00 am, i heard to apartment door open and ilar came into the apartment with a “hoe in tow”. i thought he brought her home for himself but he came into my room and told me to get myself together as i had work to do! have i got good friends or what? apparently, he struck out at avalon and decided to stop by one on the salons that the taxi driver recommended. after he was done his hour (for $110), he asked if he could take a girl home for his sick friend. they said “sure” and charged him only $110 to take one home for me. of course, the clock start once she went out the door. in fact, i think they forgot about her because the phone call did not come until she had been there for at least an hour.
anyhow, i was nursed partially back to health by cleo (as in cleopatra). she was 27 years old from lviv and she told me that she had only been in kiev for two weeks now. what a little sweet heart. strawberry blond hair with a cute little nose, smallish boobs and a nice hard body. good farm girl from the polish border no doubt. anyhow, she was fun for an hour especially since she was relatively fresh. i’m sure that most will agree that you can really tell the ones who still have some amount of enthusiasm for their work and cleo was into her work so that was a really nice bonus. cbj (i was too tired to argue), cg, rcg, and a few that i don’t know the name for. really nimble and athletic and i wish i had not been feeling so bad. hey, but when you have a job to do…….
as i said earlier, she got a phone call reminding her that her time was up and that a taxi was waiting. after the left i went back for another 4 or 5 hours of badly needed sleep.
Saturday night, Ildar was determined to get me out and since I had bailed on him the night before, I decided that I need to get my ass back in shape (no pun intended) and get out there. We scoped out ARENA and ended up having dinner on the ground floor in the Beer Bar. The place was absolutely lousy with pussy. I mean is was almost comical. Dozen and dozens of girls were coming and going from the restaurant and I am sure many were getting ready to head upstairs to the Night Club. I made eye contact with a dark haired beauty a few tables over whom Ildar told was Bessarabia. For those who do not know, Bessarabia is that part of southwestern Ukraine that butts up against Moldova. The Night Club did not open until midnight so we just sort of hung back and sipped beer waiting for the club to open. I would have made a move on her right there and then but Ildar seemed determined to show me the club so I hung there.
When we went up to the club, I was surprised to see the number of guys milling around the enterance waiting to get in. I thought it was a line up until Ildar told me it was just face control. But since we were well dressed and not exactly “chorny”, we marched to the head of the line and walked in like we owned the place. As you can imagine the place was absolutely crawling with chicks. What blew me away was how beautiful and TALL these girls were; decidedly taller than Moscow I would say. And these were party girls “par excellence”. You could see them coming out of the ladies room rubbing their noses and some were quite unabashed about asking you if you had any coke when you asked them to dance. Interesting.
By about 3:00 AM I was getting pretty tired since I was still keeping one eye on the boys room. By that hour the facilities were getting pretty grotty and not exactly conducive to sitting down for a good…… well, you know. Luckily, by 3:15 AM or so, Ildar was getting pretty wasted as he was slamming Mojitoes at a pretty good rate. He soon indicated that he did not have any pussy on the line so when I suggested we try and check out River Palace, he did not hesitate. We hopped a taxi and took the 15 minute or so drive to the river boat but not before stopping by the apartment to take care of some "business". After 5 minutes I felt like a new man and bounded down the stairs into the taxi. Ildar was nearly passed out so I knew we had to work fast.
Even at that hour, the River Palace had probably 30 girls between the dance floor, the bar area and the lounge seating. Being Saturday night, there were a few 9-10, all kinds of 7-8’s and the others. Plenty to prime property to consider even at that hour. Ildar was fading fast so I decided that I needed to do some quick hunting. Ildar said he wanted to find a Charlize Theron look alike tonight so I cruised the bar to get drinks and see what I could come up with. I was barely in the bar area when beautiful Ukrainian girl in her late 20’s early 30’s made a bee line to me and stated that she was what I was looking for. Maybe yes, maybe no. She was a classic Ukrainian looking women with dirty blond hair, nice full lips and great smile. I little on the petite side and very fit looking. Her command of English put me on guard immediately, but I explained to her that I had a friend who needed some company as well. She said it with was not problem – she had a friend too. I negotiated her opening gambit of $400 down to $400 for both her and her friend for 2 – 3 hours and went back to tell Ildar. Since we had a 2 bedroom apartment , I figured this could have been party time. But it was not to be; Ildar is ethnic Azeri, though educated in Moscow, and clearly of Caucasian persuasion. The friend turned up her nose and was not interested and she bolted from the premises. Ildar wanted to keep looking so Jeanna and I sat and played kissy face while Ildar kept scoping out possibilities. As he was a little drunk, it was not going well for the boy. By 4:00 AM, he was doing the head-bobs and Jeanna was getting impatient. The rest of the girls had sort of caught on and were avoiding like plague us so things were going downhill fast.
I suggested to Ildar that we make a move but he insisted that he want to find a girl. Remembering his gesture from the night before, I felt like I need to cut him some slack so we hung around for another 15 minutes or so while Ildar chatted up a few more blonds and came up with nothing satisfactory. Finally, he threw in the towel and gave up his quest grumbling that these girls were all ugly. Yeah, sure Ildar you go with that. We were pleasantly surprised to hear that Jeanna had her own car so we avoided that whole rip-off problem with taxi drivers holding you for ransom out at RP. Soon, we were back at the apartment taking turns showering while Ildar went to bed and was sawing logs in no time.
While Jeanna was certainly experienced, she lacked a certain amount of enthusiasm. Apparently she learned English while living in Japan and working there. Not your average Ukrainian farm girl. Like Cleo from the night before she insisted on CJB and it took a heck of a lot of coaxing to convince her that CJB was getting us nowhere. She relented and soon was getting enthusiastic with a nice BBBJ. I just KNEW she didn’t like the taste of latex. During our inter-coital pillow talk we reviewed the issue of price. We had agreed on $400 for her and her friend but now she was telling that she wanted $300 or she would not go for round 2. I said that was fine because I was tired anyhow. I don’t think she expected me to call her bluff and she back peddled rapidly and agreed to finish the job for $200. Where do these girls get this from? Strange tactics. Anyhow, I kicked her out after 2 hours and was happy to get some more sleep as it was starting to get light.
When I woke up about 10:00 AM Sunday , my stomach was not getting any better and I was really starting to get worried. Everything I had eaten since Thursday was liquefying within an hour and going down the drain from one end or the other. Turkmenbashi’s revenge was getting the best of me. I showered and dressed and found a nice café just off of Kruschetik. There was an Opteka next door and I was able to explain to the pharmacist that the Immodium was not working. She gave me an over-the-counter anti-biotic and charged me about 8.5 Hrivas or about $1.25. Unbelievable – I still can’t believe how cheap and easily available pharmaceuticals are in some of these countries. Had I been in the USA, I would have been screwed and had no choice but to go to the hospital or clinic and that would have chewed up half a day and several hundred dollars no doubt. But I digress. Sunday was a quiet day and Ildar was still hurting from the last night and was in no mood for pussy. I took this as a gift and used the opportunity to let my system heal.
Duesentrieb
09-21-08, 16:03
As I have written here before, I do not write detailled reports because of my limited English skills, anyway I would recommend the Club "Kalinka-Malinka" to any monger who come to Kiev.
It is far from the city centre, in district Troechina, so a Taxi will be necessary, price for a Taxi-Trip from the Centre should be between 40 or 50 Grivnas.
As far as I know, there is disco there only at Friday and Saturday, the Entrance fee was 50 Grivnas at Friday and 100 Grivnas (for male) at Saturday, because of an (awful) stage show.
Prices for drinks: Corona-Beer 22 Grivna, average Long-Drink around 40-45 Grivna.
In my point of view, the place is a great experience, it is a "True-Russian-Disco", with music mostly from the eighties and a Great guy/girl ratio.
The crowd is mixed, a lot of young people/students, but also 30-40 y.o.-and definitely a lot of the girls there were approachable!
The atmosphere in general is maybe more authentic than in the clubs in the centre of Kiev, a lot of horny and emotional Kiev girls who like to flirt and to dance, but also a lot of drunk ukrainian/russian/caucasian guys and there are brawls from time to time.
It is not really dangerous, though, since there is also a lot of security personnel present, but for a foreigner who doesn't speak any Russian, it may be unwise to be unaccompanied there, well, this is just my advice, as I know most of the guys here are hard-core mongers.
Homepage with adress:
http://www.2k.ua/rus/restaurants_kiev_kalinka.php
Have fun there, and enjoy Kiev in general !
Monday in Kiev was back to back business meetings. My stomach was feeling much better and I was getting my strength back. I got the airport at 7:30 PM for a 9:40 PM flight and soon on my way back to Moscow. On the plane, I met a gorgeous blond named Vika who got on and sat in the window seat in my row just before the door closed. My initial thought was, “oh sure, another rich spoiled Russian Blondnika” who prances onto the plane at the last moment and think she owns the place. I had the aisle so there was just the two of us. She was really stunning and Ilar, who was sitting in the aisle seat across from me, kept needling me to make a move on her. That’s not usually my style so I just sort of laughed it off. When the drinks cart came around she ordered a shot of Garilka (Ukrainian vodka) so I followed suit and just before drinking I offered a toast just to be polite. This turned out to be a great ice breaker as she got very chatty. She said she did not speak any English but could understand some as she is an international lawyer working for a firm in Moscow. I asked if she had been in Kiev for the weekend as well, but she told me that she had been in Tbilisi (Republic of Georgia) for the weekend and that direct travel between Georgia and Russia was pretty limited these days, hence the connection in Kiev. One shot led to two, and two led to three and pretty soon we were both pretty chatty.
She was a Russian citizen as she declined the usual landing card for foreigners so I am guessing that she might have Georgian relatives. In any case, we started chatting about Moscow and asked her which her favorite night club was. She said she didn’t do night clubs much and preferred Jazz clubs. On the subject of restaurants she told me her favorite was Ginitsvalli, so there MUST have been some sort of Georgian connection. One thing led to another and she agreed to have dinner with me on Tuesday night as she did not go back to work until Wednesday. She gave me her phone number and agreed to the date. When we landed, we walked together down to the immigration in SVO-1 and split as she walked into the line for Russian citizens. All this time Ildar has his mouth hanging open and offering new found respect for my pick up abilities.
The flight arrived just after 12:00 midnight and immigration was quick and easy. Ildar’s driver was waiting outside so in moments we were headed into town. Ildar had an early meeting on Tuesday so he declined my offer to hook up with Pizdyets at Itazsh. It wasn’t until I got out of the car that I realized that I had left my Russian mobile phone on the fucking plane. Damnit. I still had my US Blackberry with me so I wasn’t incommunicado, but Vika’s number was on that phone!!!!!! Double damnit.
Pizdyets and I had a few drinks back at Itazsh and decided to relocate to Hot Dogs to check out the action. I honestly can’t remember the name of the girl I dragged home that night or what I paid her because I was so pissed off that I lost my stupid phone with Vika’s number on it. She probably sat home Tuesday night and cursed that stupid Americanits for not calling her.
But speaking of Hot Dogs, it was pretty dead on that Monday night. Pizdyets and I agreed that we would have one beer (maybe two) and then give some serious thought to hitting one of the salons. There was a brunette sitting next to us at the bar that I gave a passing glance and a smile to but that was about it. The rugby was on TV so we chatted and laughed about my “shitty” weekend in Kiev and decided one more beer would not hurt. For no particular reason, I turned to the gal next to me and asked if I could buy her a drink. She asked for a shot of Red Label which immediately got my attention as most of the girls (as you all know) tend to shy away from whiskey while they are working. There was something a bit shy and non-aggressive about this girl, which was not what I was in the mood for considering how pissed off I was about losing Vika’s number. Screw the phone – I wanted that NUMBER!!!!
Luckily, a stereotypical “dirty girl” materialized and soon Pizdyets and I were sitting at the table with the two of them discussing the price of tea in China. Dirty Girl kept telling me “pashlee, pashlee” (let’s get outta here) so when Pizdyets and Whisky Girl got up to dance we made a move to my apartment and she punished me for losing Vika’s phone number. Whip me – beat me – make me write bad checks…….
NOTE: I will post this in both the Ukraine thread and the Moscow thread as it’s a lead-in to the rest of the week in Moscow.
Nice reports Jake, it's nice to read about the Kyiv scene since I'm not there at the moment. Sorry to hear about your medical problems. I had the flu so bad the last three days I was in Kyiv I couldn't stand one of those days.
Two things, It used to be when you took a girl home from an apartment the time started when you got to your place. Second, you made a tactical error in relocating from Arena to River Palace on Saturday night. On Friday and Saturday night the hot River Palace girls go to Arena and Decadence.
Sorry to hear about Vika. Luckily my Ukrainian phone is a windows mobile smartphone so when ever I charge it with my laptop usb port it automatically backs up. But you obviously lost it before you had any possible chance of backing it up. Hey, I left my passport on a BA flight in Heathrow during one of last years trips to Kyiv but was able to get it back with the help of the friendly BA staff. Always check the seat backs before leaving the flight. :)
Nice to read your report too Duesentrieb. I always like to hear about the 'other' side of the city. It still has a feel of Kyiv center pre 2005.
Anyone there in mid/late Oct? I am thinking to head over for the first time, but all my friends keep saying it's pretty dangerous. Esp since I'm an ethnic minority. I considered just sticking to the German FKK scenes, but I've wanted to go for a while now.
I'm currently debating between Kiev or Bucharest. Any thoughts on this, from a safety perspective? Would I be better to travel with a friend? And in terms of mongering how do the 2 cities compare? :)
Anyone there in mid/late Oct? I am thinking to head over for the first time, but all my friends keep saying it's pretty dangerous. Esp since I'm an ethnic minority. I considered just sticking to the German FKK scenes, but I've wanted to go for a while now.
I'm currently debating between Kiev or Bucharest. Any thoughts on this, from a safety perspective? Would I be better to travel with a friend? And in terms of mongering how do the 2 cities compare? :) I don't know about Bucharest, but Kiev is reasonably cosmopolitan. Having said that, there does not appear to be quite the visible wide range of ethnic minorities that you might see in Moscow. Are you concerned about safety or ability to score with girls? I have heard (and once saw with my own eyes) that while a lot of the girls turn up their noses at some minorities, people are relatively safe in Kiev as compared to Moscow. They don't seem to have the same kind of "skinhead type" gangs of angry young men that were once (and may still be) a problem in Moscow.
Kiev is desperately trying to be accepted by the western European community and hooliganism towards minorities is becoming socially unacceptable. If you are a minority, the girls may not want to fuck you, but you are not likely to be beaten up either. My friend from Azerbaijan had no trouble getting laid at the salons in Kiev.
Having a wingman is always a good idea.
I was more concerned with safety, being oriental, and with plans to travel there alone.
No problem with the girl side of things, freebie or not. I suppose ignorant racist idiots are everywhere, but I've found some countries in EE to LOVE asian men. Maybe the Ukraine isn't one, but I'm not going there as some pick up artist, just a mongerer :)
I just keep getting told that the Ukraine is still a bit of a 'cowboy country' and to be extremely cautious esp as I would stand out in the crowd.
Maybe there's certain areas to avoid, or just to stick to a safe area. If you had 5-7 days there, would you just do RP, or maybe some of the prev posted parlours? Maybe Odessa is better?
Doctor_Skank
09-24-08, 18:29
Maybe Odessa is better?No, it ain't.
I was more concerned with safety, being oriental, and with plans to travel there alone.
No problem with the girl side of things, freebie or not. I suppose ignorant racist idiots are everywhere, but I've found some countries in EE to LOVE asian men. Maybe the Ukraine isn't one, but I'm not going there as some pick up artist, just a mongerer :)
I just keep getting told that the Ukraine is still a bit of a 'cowboy country' and to be extremely cautious esp as I would stand out in the crowd.
Maybe there's certain areas to avoid, or just to stick to a safe area. If you had 5-7 days there, would you just do RP, or maybe some of the prev posted parlours? Maybe Odessa is better?Avoid all central and eastern Ukraine.
Stick to big cities.
If asked tell that you come from USA.
Avoid all central and eastern Ukraine.
Stick to big cities.
If asked tell that you come from USA.
And yea sure saying you come from the USA gets doors opened for you these days. Have you checked the list of the worlds most despised nations recently?
Respect is earned in a singular way these days not as a nation.
Gone are the days that saying you are from USA or the UK gains you much respect world wide thanks to our respective governments foriegn policies.
Donetsk is no problem for Orientals there are many foreign students here even from china studying at the univercity.
So take no notice come here to Ukraine enjoy yourself, relax and have fun, the world is full of biggots no matter where you go.
I will probably be told to RTFF but I have a question...
I am completely hopeless at speaking any other language besides some pidgeon French and Russian is impossible! Can anyone recommend a Ukranian site that operates in English and where I can get e-mailing some ordinary Kiev girls to prime for my next visit to Kiev? (Flirt ua is still not up & running?!) All the sites members recommend seem to be in Russian/Ukranian.
Maybe a site similar to Facebook?
Cheers!
Umm try Facebook :) Or myspace, or cruise flirt.com.ua looking for english speakers. I usually just stand in the middle of the food court in Globus and scream 'any english speakers want to date me?'
When did saying 'I'm from the UK' open doors? The 1900 or 1800's? :P
I agree with Hecker tho..actually I wouldn't leave Kyiv or Odessa if you were worried about getting hassled.
Gentleman Travel
09-25-08, 17:56
I will probably be told to RTFF but I have a question...
I am completely hopeless at speaking any other language besides some pidgeon French and Russian is impossible! Can anyone recommend a Ukranian site that operates in English and where I can get e-mailing some ordinary Kiev girls to prime for my next visit to Kiev? (Flirt ua is still not up & running?!) All the sites members recommend seem to be in Russian/Ukranian.
Maybe a site similar to Facebook?
Cheers!
Try www.LuckyLovers.net
Almost everyone there speaks some level of English, and many have very good English. The downside is that is has no explicitly sexual ads (like the pink ones at Mamba) and many girls are there for real relationships or social networking.
However, there are many who appear open to all kinds of offers...
The only place on earth where saying you're from the UK opens doors is the US. Still! :)
...I never said being British would open any doors. In fact it often has the opposite effect, something like being American? I usually say i'm Australian or something. (By the way Ash 1001 I disagree about the states and being British unless you are off the beaten track.) Only speaking English has never really been a problem although I would like to have a talent for languages, but I'm truly hopeless! Will just have to make do with being good at making money?
I'm not interested in marriage type sites, just regular girls who want to be treated right and have some fun, which is what Gentleman Travel recommended site looks like and it's in Russian! Shame flirt.ua is still not up & running!
Any other bright ideas?
Fox7717
AColonizer
09-28-08, 14:06
Ooohhh heart troubles
You should be aware:
- Ukraine is becoming pretty similar to Western countries, for example I see some Ukrainian men engaged with ugly Ukrainian women and meanwhile they fuck nice prostitutes: this reminds me Italy:.(
- Before you should fuck a woman a lot, and only after you should think about a lasting relationship! Hey guys, are you still children? I am very frightened to think good ladies are on thirties only, and these ladies had sex with hundred (or thousand) men before me, and now they are tired of this life, and now they are looking for a "lasting relationship": I prefer buying a young tochka instead of marrying an old witch!
- That's life, the world is running very fast for everybody, we need Russian girls and therefore we need to speak Russian too! Otherwise, look for a Russian girl in your own country.
...I never said being British would open any doors. In fact it often has the opposite effect, something like being American? I usually say i'm Australian or something. (By the way Ash 1001 I disagree about the states and being British unless you are off the beaten track.) Only speaking English has never really been a problem although I would like to have a talent for languages, but I'm truly hopeless! Will just have to make do with being good at making money?
I'm not interested in marriage type sites, just regular girls who want to be treated right and have some fun, which is what Gentleman Travel recommended site looks like and it's in Russian! Shame flirt.ua is still not up & running!
Any other bright ideas?
Fox7717
Ooohhh heart troubles
You should be aware:
- Ukraine is becoming pretty similar to Western countries, for example I see some Ukrainian men engaged with ugly Ukrainian women and meanwhile they fuck nice prostitutes: this reminds me Italy:.(
- Before you should fuck a woman a lot, and only after you should think about a lasting relationship! Hey guys, are you still children? I am very frightened to think good ladies are on thirties only, and these ladies had sex with hundred (or thousand) men before me, and now they are tired of this life, and now they are looking for a "lasting relationship": I prefer buying a young tochka instead of marrying an old witch!
- That's life, the world is running very fast for everybody, we need Russian girls and therefore we need to speak Russian too! Otherwise, look for a Russian girl in your own country.
As said, despite no Russian, I do pretty well. just want to try something different. So Acolonizer.......any bright ideas?
Asking AC for help? Your doomed. :)
As said, despite no Russian, I do pretty well. just want to try something different. So Acolonizer.......any bright ideas?
Before 1776, sure.
The only place on earth where saying you're from the UK opens doors is the US. Still! :)
I will be in Kiev in a couple weeks, is there a map of the action sites available, similar to the one for Warsaw?
I see many different prices posted, did anyone ebver post a guide, like escort agencies and Riverside?
Thanks
I will be in Kiev in a couple weeks, is there a map of the action sites available, similar to the one for Warsaw?
I see many different prices posted, did anyone ebver post a guide, like escort agencies and Riverside?
Thanks
Look through this thread i posted a map some time ago... it was a little out of date but have a look.
Before 1776 being British in the American colonies would have been a risk to life and limb. But I think nowadays the positive attitude and interest in our accent comes from the fact we're seen as quaint, powerless and always following the US on foreign policy.
Although, maybe it IS just the girls...
Before 1776 being British in the American colonies would have been a risk to life and limb. But I think nowadays the positive attitude and interest in our accent comes from the fact we're seen as quaint, powerless and always following the US on foreign policy.
Although, maybe it IS just the girls...
Lets get it straight Ash, had we not also been controlling the rest of the world at the time, we may have had the manpower to make sure they never got independence, obviously at the time the British thought it a less important colony to keep.
Forward thinking perhaps? as by the end of this decade it looks like you will be able to buy the USA for a few quid ha ha ha.
LifeSavour
09-30-08, 21:10
[QUOTE=Qjump...by the end of this decade it looks like you will be able to buy the USA for a few quid ha ha ha.[/QUOTE]That is the most "Durock - ing - ist!" statement I have heard in all of my time in Ukriane!
LS 'USA will rock ALL - always" Guy
USA will rock ALL - always
It's doing a great job rocking world financial markets at the moment..
Sorry guys for delay, I was in Kiev in August, my impression was that many girls were on holiday, but on the other side I could find more coming from the villages visiting friends or the city.
You could easily see them from the face and clothes they had and where they go visiting monuments and particulary churches.
In Lavra, a famous church complex, I met Anna a 21 y student, she was not a professional so I really appreciated her friendship smile and body, I'll post a picture.
Before Anna, I visited some famous place like River Palace, very bad, only some old guys and old professionals doing their job, Arena nice girl but expensive, and latin american disco, good if you are able to dance, otherwise avoid it.
My favourite was Shooters, really a standard disco, good music, friendly people, not a place for professionals, but where is possible to meet a standard girl or just dance and meet normal people.
It's very difficult to go in, they try to exclude foreiners, they absolutely avoid arabian people, I became a regular customer so no problem at all, just be polite and well dressed.
I really raccomend to stay in an appartment, I shared a large one in the center with some friends, no problems to come back with girls any day/time and there's more fun :)
Language is really a problem, but I noticed that some young speak english, never ask do you speak english, just start talking and asking, otherwise the answer no, smile and go away....
Went to see the big park on the river during daytime, really bad, dirthy and groups of young drunk people, the water is brown but they like to take a bath, interesting the gym in the park, Ukranian man are really macho, but they don't have the style that is appreciated from the best girls....
I found Ukranian gilrs really beutiful, nice body and naturally walking like models on high heels all day long, the center is similar to Monte Napoleone street in Milan during fashion week, probably the best find easily a sponsor to exchange the fresh body and smile with money and gifts.
Now I miss the tac tac music of them walking ....:(
Latin
That is the most "Durock - ing - ist!" statement I have heard in all of my time in Ukriane!
LS 'USA will rock ALL - always" Guy
The Great Depression took place from 1930 to 1939. During this time the prices of stock fell 40%. 9,000 banks went out of business and 9 million savings accounts were wiped out. 86,00 businesses failed, and wages were decreased by an average of 60%. The unemployment rate went from 9% all the way to 25%, about 15 million jobless people.
Causes of The Great depression of USA
* Unequal distribution of wealth
* High Tariffs and war debts
* Over production in industry and agriculture
* Stock market crash and financial panic
Effects of The Great depression
* Widespread hunger, poverty, and unemployment
* Worldwide economic crisis
* Democratic victory in 1932 election
* FDR's New Deal
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/usa-2008-the-great-depression-803095.html
Does this ring any bells????
In fact I would go as far to say this is the death toll of the USA being the dominant economic force in the world...........
me stupid? never! ;)
God bless America may she rest in piece.
Now back to the hookers!
The Great Depression took place from 1930 to 1939. During this time the prices of stock fell 40%. 9,000 banks went out of business and 9 million savings accounts were wiped out. 86,00 businesses failed, and wages were decreased by an average of 60%. The unemployment rate went from 9% all the way to 25%, about 15 million jobless people.
Causes of The Great depression of USA
* Unequal distribution of wealth
* High Tariffs and war debts
* Over production in industry and agriculture
* Stock market crash and financial panic
Effects of The Great depression
* Widespread hunger, poverty, and unemployment
* Worldwide economic crisis
* Democratic victory in 1932 election
* FDR's New Deal
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/usa-2008-the-great-depression-803095.html
Does this ring any bells????
In fact I would go as far to say this is the death toll of the USA being the dominant economic force in the world...........
me stupid? never! ;)
God bless America may she rest in piece.
Now back to the hookers!
Although it gives me NO pleasure to say this, I agree, this looks like the end of the 'American Empire' (They all fall eventually!) Now back to the hookers to quote qjump!
Often does not provide any real advantage? (Ditto American.)
Shame I'm not Scot's or Irish, as everyone seems to like them, probably because they never had an empire and upset half the planet?! (Or Aussie or Kiwi come to that.)
Anyway.......back to the hookers!
Being confident, fun and spending money give you such a significant advantage that it's very difficult to ascertain what effects nationality/race/accent have on their own.
Being confident, fun and spending money give you such a significant advantage that it's very difficult to ascertain what effects nationality/race/accent have on their own.
I think here though confidence comes with time, language skills or not!
But cash, a good time and fun always impresses!
I was on a bar yesterday, and three twenty year olds where fighting regarding who was going to date a certain lucky guy as he happened to have a 4x4 and they all wanted to be seen in the front seat!
They did not realise I was in ear shot and it was very funny to listen to.
anyway the upshot of the conversation was they would take turns.....
Being confident, fun and spending money give you such a significant advantage that it's very difficult to ascertain what effects nationality/race/accent have on their own.
I agree, splash a bit of cash, be nice and make a girl laugh and you are halfway there usually. (Confidence and a bit of modesty also helps.)
DoctorOral
10-02-08, 16:11
This joke you just have to do when you know german (bavarian)
"di vikiano!"
http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=241291294
Skywalker159
10-03-08, 08:26
Epicurus,
Sounds like a good plan, it also sounds as if you hit on a gem, while you were here money back.
I will be be checking out the RP tonight, I don't expect to have any carry out, especially since I didn't understand the difference in room configurations. lol. Well it is my first visit to Kiev and now I know why many of the old timers on this board choose to find apartments instead of hotels.
Epicurus,
Sounds like a good plan, it also sounds as if you hit on a gem, while you were here money back.
I will be be checking out the RP tonight, I don't expect to have any carry out, especially since I didn't understand the difference in room configurations. lol. Well it is my first visit to Kiev and now I know why many of the old timers on this board choose to find apartments instead of hotels.I will be going to RP also tonight to check it out and I won't get any girl either, tomorrow I am meeting someone I met at the church. How do I recognise you?
I don't think I will try to contact that girl from last night again. She was nice and such, but the miscommunication will be frustrating. Her english skills or french or german were totally absent. At first it is fun, but that's also because of the excitement of just seeing eachother for the first time (and sex).
Skywalker159
10-04-08, 09:10
Epicurus,
This is embarrassing, but I didn't make to RP last night. I fell asleep. I thought I would take a quick power nap so I would be fully energized for my first visit to RP and when I woke up it was 3am.
I will definitely be there tonight. If you do show up tonight I will be probably the only African American in the crowd, somewhere near the bar.
Have fun with the church girl.
Umm, not quite Q. Do we really want to get into this? The sane answer is of course no. :)
I think you got American war debt after 1918 confused with English war debt.
America as evidenced by recent events still drives the world's economy, probably will for the foreseeable future.
The Great Depression took place from 1930 to 1939. During this time the prices of stock fell 40%.
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Umm, not quite Q. Do we really want to get into this? The sane answer is of course no. :)
I think you got American war debt after 1918 confused with English war debt.
America as evidenced by recent events still drives the world's economy, probably will for the foreseeable future.
The 700bn (bet it ends up being more like a Trillion?) will do NOTHING to solve the real problem, but simply bails out the Bankers. (I did say bankers!) The underlying problem of 1,000's of Americans who cannot pay their mortgages will continue and so repossessions and so falling prices. Any bets on a 2nd bail out?!
Anyway, back to the hookers:-)
DJ FourMoney
10-05-08, 05:57
The 700bn (bet it ends up being more like a Trillion?) will do NOTHING to solve the real problem, but simply bails out the Bankers. (I did say bankers!) The underlying problem of 1,000's of Americans who cannot pay their mortgages will continue and so repossessions and so falling prices. Any bets on a 2nd bail out?!
Anyway, back to the hookers:-)
From Obama and a mostly Demo Congress - YES
A "New" New Deal - More than likely
We'll just have to see if they totally re-tool this bailout, that will be key and they can do it. Just as you said, kill foreclosures, allow reworking of mortgages in Bankruptcy court, pretty much done deal, no heavy debt on the tax payers.
Right Wing Idealogy is pretty much DONE, ran its course and they'll make a come back in about 10-12 years or so.
Now we can go back, NOT to hookers.. but to Freebies!
From Obama and a mostly Demo Congress - YES
A "New" New Deal - More than likely
We'll just have to see if they totally re-tool this bailout, that will be key and they can do it. Just as you said, kill foreclosures, allow reworking of mortgages in Bankruptcy court, pretty much done deal, no heavy debt on the tax payers.
Right Wing Idealogy is pretty much DONE, ran its course and they'll make a come back in about 10-12 years or so.
Now we can go back, NOT to hookers.. but to Freebies!
Democrat or Republicans will it makes no real difference!
Agreed about the freebies. Just started a brilliant 'thread' with an average girl in Kiev who seems to know stacks of hot babes and speaks excellent English, so looking very promising!
Skywalker159
10-05-08, 13:09
Since I am a newbie and have been a member of this board for several years, having never an opportunity to post anything, it is time I put in my two cents for what its worth. (I want to give thanks to the senior members of this board for their insights Doctor Skank, Cruiser D, Hedonist, It Travel (even though I am not looking for pigs), Bez Bezarra and for special insight as African Americans DJ Four Money and Blue Steele (haven’t seen any posts from in a long time)).
My first excursion in the fame River Palace of Kiev was not what I would could a eye opening experience since I did not take part of the pleasures that were offered. My main intention was to scout out the scene and see how everything played out.
It was a short cab ride from my Soviet era hotel to the River Palace with an air of anticipation on my mind like a child waiting to open his Christmas presents after the jolly ole elf has made his appointed rounds. I strode down the ramp to reception area that were surrounding by Valkeries to each of the golden rooms, walking in as his I owned the place, I immediately walked the stairs to sports bar, for some food and a beer, before returning upstairs for the main event. It was fairly quiet as I was led to a table to enjoy my meal, which consisted of a club sandwich and a beer. I quietly passed the time watch as bar slowly began to filled, but nothing eye catching. After about an 90 minutes having long finished my meal and several beers I was ready for the main event, swinging by the restroom to check my attire, because I wasn’t going to stopped because of shoddy appearance.
Having paid the Valkery 60 hryver I walked into the disco of pleasure. I was disappointed once I was passed the maidens of stamp checkers; it was empty except for one other customer sipping on his drink. I noticed that all the tables surrounding the dance floor and an at least one row behind them were all reserved, but with no one sitting in them. That would begin to change 30 minutes later. I found a non reserve table close to the dance floor and in the non smoking section which was a joke for those of us who do not smoke and are used to smoke free bars and restaurants.
While I was in the process of having another beer the ladies of the evening begin to arrive and by 12:30 the ratio of men to women was about 3:1 a buyers market, form what I could tell. There were very few 9-10’s, lots of 5-7’s a several 8’s, but nothing that would reach out and grab you. I don’t have anything against blondes, but I prefer redheads and brunettes and there were a lot of blondes. The one brunette that caught my eye was gone before I could make my move when I had spotted her hiding between the bar and dance floor, how I had missed her was beyond, but no since crying over spilled beer.
I would like to say that things picked up after my princess vanished in the arms of another man, but it went downhill from there, seated across from me were several gentlemen eating some type of seafood dish, which I am positive contain large amount of shrimp which I don’t get along with at all, combine with the cigarette smoke filled air, began to have its effect on me, I was becoming I'll, but I decided to battle on despite what was going on with my body. I figured it was time to switch from beer to scotch to fight this impending doom. My table was next to one of the reserve tables in which a long legged brunette was now occupying, but was preoccupied with an annoying Asian gentleman who wasn’t high on her hit parade and continued to remove his roaming hands from her body.
It was at this time I had decided that since this leggy brunette who was being bothered by her unwanted guest that I would come to her rescue, since my earlier object of desired had departed. I was not destine to take my brunette beauty with me this evening because I had began to lose my bout with the smoke and the shrimp and the only thing I could think of was to get out of the place as quickly as I could with dignity before the contents of my stomach became apparent to everyone. The look of disappointment in my leggy friend was I had time for as I left with no beauty in tow toward the exit.
Luke? :)
Believe it or not RP is one of the least smokest clubs in Kyiv. Then again just being in Kyiv isn't recommended for anyone who has asthma. And if you think Kyiv is bad wait until you sample Eastern Ukrainian.
Nice report, but why did you stay in a hotel. Although apartments aren't the amazing value they used to be they are still better then the hotels. And you should have known from reading the reports that RP and the other clubs in Kyiv don't start until 1230. Don't be hesitant to engage a girl in conversations, they don't bit, that's extra. :D
Skywalker159
10-05-08, 20:16
Cruiser D,
I knew there was smoking in the clubs, but I didn’t realize how bad it would be. Even though I read the forum countless of times, no one mentions much about the smoke in the clubs.
I will admit I made several tactical mistakes during my visit to RP, one I should have positioned myself in the area between the bar and dance floor instead of where I was seated by the reserve tables and the dance floor. If I had done that I might have walked away with that brunette stunner that I spotted to late and was gone like the wind on the arm of another gent.
My other mistake was I should have booked an apartment instead of a hotel, but since this was my first trip to Kiev and not knowing the racial situation all to clearly, despite reading DJ Four Money posts many times over. I figured a hotel would be a good option until I learn more. After I a still a newbie, even though I have been reading the posting on this board for several years now. Mistakes were bound to happen even though I was fortified with the information from this board!
Dear alls,
Can anybody gently suggest me if is better an hotel or an apartment to visit kiev in safe and full freedom? Can I know the name of hotell or good serviced apartment where night guest are allowed?
Many thanks to alls.
Cruiser D,
I knew there was smoking in the clubs, but I didn’t realize how bad it would be. Even though I read the forum countless of times, no one mentions much about the smoke in the clubs.
I will admit I made several tactical mistakes during my visit to RP, one I should have positioned myself in the area between the bar and dance floor instead of where I was seated by the reserve tables and the dance floor. If I had done that I might have walked away with that brunette stunner that I spotted to late and was gone like the wind on the arm of another gent.
My other mistake was I should have booked an apartment instead of a hotel, but since this was my first trip to Kiev and not knowing the racial situation all to clearly, despite reading DJ Four Money posts many times over. I figured a hotel would be a good option until I learn more. After I a still a newbie, even though I have been reading the posting on this board for several years now. Mistakes were bound to happen even though I was fortified with the information from this board!
Smoke? whats smoke? where did you go? ahh there you are!
As cruiser said try it in the east if you think thats smokey.
Any position in RP.... for me propping the bar up is the best spot, you see them all, at some point and they always seem to have to say hello.
Sit down? hell no stand up!
Skywalker159
10-08-08, 08:46
I realized my mistake too late, but have made a mental note for my next visit.
As for sitting next to the reserve table I thought this would be prime territory since if you go to the effort to reserve yourself a table, you think more highly of yourself and the competition.
AColonizer
10-08-08, 09:50
Hey guys,
Recession has arrived! For everybody! Girls must have respect now and must cut their prices in half!
DJ FourMoney
10-08-08, 11:59
Cruiser D,
I knew there was smoking in the clubs, but I didn’t realize how bad it would be. Even though I read the forum countless of times, no one mentions much about the smoke in the clubs.
I will admit I made several tactical mistakes during my visit to RP, one I should have positioned myself in the area between the bar and dance floor instead of where I was seated by the reserve tables and the dance floor. If I had done that I might have walked away with that brunette stunner that I spotted to late and was gone like the wind on the arm of another gent.
My other mistake was I should have booked an apartment instead of a hotel, but since this was my first trip to Kiev and not knowing the racial situation all to clearly, despite reading DJ Four Money posts many times over. I figured a hotel would be a good option until I learn more. After I a still a newbie, even though I have been reading the posting on this board for several years now. Mistakes were bound to happen even though I was fortified with the information from this board!
Use the force next time....
I was a complete newbie traveling to Europe for CS, I didn't take any chances and went with proven advice expect for ignoring those that said "NO" to Frankfurt and "YES" to Berlin.
But RP was not all that smoke-filled. Sure there is some smoke, but I can handle it. I agree with D, don't play that shy bit, this is Slavic country, be aggressive that's what they want.
RP is buyers market until the subject of price comes up....
IMHO the best time to get something for take out, is between 2-3am when if you have seen a girl the entire night usually means she hasn't been offered anything and could be looking to get some business and be willing to reduce her price.
I wasn't getting anal for the price I wanted to pay so I said no thank you in the end.
Plus the "freebie" cashed in several hours later so in the end, I got what I wanted.
I would suggest an apartment as well. Glad you enjoyed my post, I was wondering if anybody had got any mileage out of anything I was saying... :)
Skywalker159
10-08-08, 19:04
DJ,
I found your post helpful in that there are very few people of race on this board and so your insights were very helpful to me. As were all the other posts by the senior members.
If we remember, Gia prices, which can be used as a rough baseline for other service providers of better and worse quality, by other agencies or independents, at RP or the streets, went up from a minimum of 150 USD to 160 USD when the dollar dropped over the past year. Now the dollar has gone up, and the russian economy has hit bottom, but prices have not gone down. I figure the minimum at Gia should now be 130-140 USD, and other providers should also be lowering their prices accordingly. Let's see what happens over the next month or two as the number of travelers goes down, the holiday season approaches and the effects of the markets spreads to the Ukrainian economy. Please keep reporting.. and refusing to pay unreasonable prices.
Its too soon to tell, but the Dollar appears to be the safe haven for today. AKA P4P more affordable if you are in dollars. Commodity-Asset deflation.
Also, if there is a recession, which there appears to be, this should further affordable P4P.
If either of the two US Pres candidates offers a subsidy for P4P (a stimulus package) to help with the effects of the depression, he has my vote.
Also, consider that some economies may see substantial currency devaluation, again good for foreign buyers of domestic products and services. I often think of how good it must have been to be in Argentina after the most recent currency collapse.
There may be opportunity out there, a buyers market.
How are prices tracking in the Ukrane?
Today (in far east Ukraine) the dollar was trading for 5. 60, the highest I ve seen in maybe 4 yrs. I wouldn't say the dollar is trading high because it's strong, this is the monkey shit dollar we're talking about, the reason is the UAH has gone titties up! About three weeks ago the Ukraine stock market (I didn't know they was such a thing) lost 70 percent of it's value. The local currency here is losing value fast! This may have been brought on by a huge trade dificit which was 6. 5 bill about 8 months ago and is now close to 12 bill, and is expected to rise to 35 bill in a few yrs. Also today, clown Yushchenko dissolved the parliament, this could, well most certainly will, lower the UAH value even more so. And lets not forget, on Jan 1, natural gas prices are expected to rise considerably, this could bring layoffs to thousands of employees in the industrial east. A ressession, maybe, I say this bcause inflation is still high here.
There has been a change of visa requirements (May '08) for Americans and west Euros, from what I understand its back to 180 days registration (from 90), anyone else who lives here, (Uke Boy) is this your understanding as well?
Doctor_Skank
10-09-08, 09:05
Today (in far east Ukraine) the dollar was trading for 5. 60, the highest I ve seen in maybe 4 yrs. I wouldn't say the dollar is trading high because it's strong, this is the monkey shit dollar we're talking about, the reason is the UAH has gone titties up! About three weeks ago the Ukraine stock market (I didn't know they was such a thing) lost 70 percent of it's value. The local currency here is losing value fast! This may have been brought on by a huge trade dificit which was 6. 5 bill about 8 months ago and is now close to 12 bill, and is expected to rise to 35 bill in a few yrs. Also today, clown Yushchenko dissolved the parliament, this could, well most certainly will, lower the UAH value even more so. And lets not forget, on Jan 1, natural gas prices are expected to rise considerably, this could bring layoffs to thousands of employees in the industrial east. A ressession, maybe, I say this bcause inflation is still high here.
There has been a change of visa requirements (May '08) for Americans and west Euros, from what I understand its back to 180 days registration (from 90), anyone else who lives here, (Uke Boy) is this your understanding as well?Question is, since RP girls for example quote in dollars and euros... when do we start pushing the prices back down and when do they start taking what they can get as they realize their pseudo-economy is going tits up?
is ''a person of race'' WTF!!
We are all members of the human race aren't we?
Personally I could NGAF what colour or race a person comes from. You have to take people as you find them. Being an arsehole is not confined to any particular race or colour!! (Or any particular political view or religion come to that.)
Why have we all seemingly become so 'lily livered' about stating the bloody obvious. For example if I were Indian, I would NOT be happy being referred to an an 'Asian' or a person of race (whatever the fuck that means) I'm a fucking Indian and proud of it! This shit does so much harm.
Anyway, back to the hookers as Ash1001 says:-)
DJ,
I found your post helpful in that there are very few people of race on this board and so your insights were very helpful to me. As were all the other posts by the senior members.
Question is, since RP girls for example quote in dollars and euros... when do we start pushing the prices back down and when do they start taking what they can get as they realize their pseudo-economy is going tits up?
I'm interested in seeing go tits up......
Sevastopol1
10-09-08, 10:26
Today (in far east Ukraine) the dollar was trading for 5. 60, the highest I ve seen in maybe 4 yrs. I wouldn't say the dollar is trading high because it's strong, this is the monkey shit dollar we're talking about, the reason is the UAH has gone titties up! About three weeks ago the Ukraine stock market (I didn't know they was such a thing) lost 70 percent of it's value. The local currency here is losing value fast! This may have been brought on by a huge trade dificit which was 6. 5 bill about 8 months ago and is now close to 12 bill, and is expected to rise to 35 bill in a few yrs. Also today, clown Yushchenko dissolved the parliament, this could, well most certainly will, lower the UAH value even more so. And lets not forget, on Jan 1, natural gas prices are expected to rise considerably, this could bring layoffs to thousands of employees in the industrial east. A ressession, maybe, I say this bcause inflation is still high here.
There has been a change of visa requirements (May '08) for Americans and west Euros, from what I understand its back to 180 days registration (from 90), anyone else who lives here, (Uke Boy) is this your understanding as well?
Sevs view on Russian/Ukraine economic policy (from the ordinary provider,whether it be bread,sex,rice or accomodation).
It is of no importance the exchange rate in this country or the rate of inflation/deflation or whatever to people plying their particular trade or commodity, if a loaf of bread or a shot in the dark is 3uah/300uah on a Monday,it will never be 2.5uah/250uah on Tuesday or Xmas day regardless of what has happened in Europe/USA/Asia or the moon.
Think Einstein said something about what goes up, must come down (maybe old Albert never visited Ukraine/Russia)?
Today (in far east Ukraine) the dollar was trading for 5. 60, the highest I ve seen in maybe 4 yrs. I wouldn't say the dollar is trading high because it's strong, this is the monkey shit dollar we're talking about, the reason is the UAH has gone titties up! About three weeks ago the Ukraine stock market (I didn't know they was such a thing) lost 70 percent of it's value. The local currency here is losing value fast! This may have been brought on by a huge trade dificit which was 6. 5 bill about 8 months ago and is now close to 12 bill, and is expected to rise to 35 bill in a few yrs. Also today, clown Yushchenko dissolved the parliament, this could, well most certainly will, lower the UAH value even more so. And lets not forget, on Jan 1, natural gas prices are expected to rise considerably, this could bring layoffs to thousands of employees in the industrial east. A ressession, maybe, I say this bcause inflation is still high here.
There has been a change of visa requirements (May '08) for Americans and west Euros, from what I understand its back to 180 days registration (from 90), anyone else who lives here, (Uke Boy) is this your understanding as well?Practically the devaluation of hryvnia decreased the average ukrainian wages from 400$ in July to 320$ in September.(they decreased even in hryvnia).If this trend continues,life for westerners will become easier.
Ukrainian economy could collapse(there can be no bail out program in this country unlike Russia and EU),however Putin promised support in exchange to ukrainian reorientation to Russia.Timoshenko already agreed.If the agreement is kept,gas prices will not increase in January.
Anyway the news are encouraging for mongers.
Skywalker159
10-09-08, 19:08
To bad this didn't happen sooner at least I would've gotten more bang for my miserable dollar.
Today (in far east Ukraine) the dollar was trading for 5. 60, the highest I ve seen in maybe 4 yrs. I wouldn't say the dollar is trading high because it's strong, this is the monkey shit dollar we're talking about, the reason is the UAH has gone titties up! About three weeks ago the Ukraine stock market (I didn't know they was such a thing) lost 70 percent of it's value. The local currency here is losing value fast! This may have been brought on by a huge trade dificit which was 6. 5 bill about 8 months ago and is now close to 12 bill, and is expected to rise to 35 bill in a few yrs. Also today, clown Yushchenko dissolved the parliament, this could, well most certainly will, lower the UAH value even more so. And lets not forget, on Jan 1, natural gas prices are expected to rise considerably, this could bring layoffs to thousands of employees in the industrial east. A ressession, maybe, I say this bcause inflation is still high here.
There has been a change of visa requirements (May '08) for Americans and west Euros, from what I understand its back to 180 days registration (from 90), anyone else who lives here, (Uke Boy) is this your understanding as well?
Timmy,
The colapse of prominvest bank is the reason its shooting up as everyone is taking there grevna out of prominvest and running down and changing it to dollars so Ukraine being Ukraine theres nothing like cashing in on other peoples loss........ hence the high dollar and euro exchange rate, as everyone is putting there money back under the bed.
DJ FourMoney
10-10-08, 11:44
is ''a person of race'' WTF!!
We are all members of the human race aren't we?
Personally I could NGAF what colour or race a person comes from. You have to take people as you find them. Being an arsehole is not confined to any particular race or colour!! (Or any particular political view or religion come to that.)
Why have we all seemingly become so 'lily livered' about stating the bloody obvious. For example if I were Indian, I would NOT be happy being referred to an an 'Asian' or a person of race (whatever the fuck that means) I'm a fucking Indian and proud of it! This shit does so much harm.
Anyway, back to the hookers as Ash1001 says:-)
Oh lighten up, I think he meant how people of color would be perceived in Eastern Europe.
I can say no negative effects from my experience and all my experience tells me, given more time, much more could have happen....
If the Uah is in the toliet, hmmm Ukrainian Air should be hella cheap...
Oh lighten up, I think he meant how people of color would be perceived in Eastern Europe.
I can say no negative effects from my experience and all my experience tells me, given more time, much more could have happen....
If the Uah is in the toliet, hmmm Ukrainian Air should be hella cheap...
We should all 'lighten up' and stop all this PC crap.
End of sermon and back to the girls...who I agree prices will fall.
Guys,
I am going to hit kiev today. I am latin and I had been reading all post, however would you mind reminding all mongering fellows.
- What are the best strip bars in kiev
- What is the current dollar excahnge, and
- Best activities in the afternoon other than calling gia or similar escort places Finally:
Any advices on RP? , best girls names you know for girlfriend experience?
Thanks
Hecker,
What do you mean registration (Visa? ) went back to 180 days from 90 days? Americans and EU citizens don't need visa!
Finally Wizzair is going to fly from Germany to Kiev!!! They start in January. From Dortmund, 4 times a week and from Cologne, 3 times a week!
Price about 130 euro round trip including all costs!
Have a nice stay here!
Explorer69
10-10-08, 23:31
Guys,
I am going to hit kiev today. I am latin and I had been reading all post, however would you mind reminding all mongering fellows.
- What are the best strip bars in kiev
- What is the current dollar excahnge, and
- Best activities in the afternoon other than calling gia or similar escort places Finally:
Any advices on RP? , best girls names you know for girlfriend experience?
ThanksThere is no other activity in the afternoon unless you hit it with a freebie - or unless you have an appointment with a stripper you met the night before!
Strip bars: read the threads"Dollar exchange: check it on the internet
Who's going to bail Russia out? When oil goes under $50/barrel the Russian economy is going to make the ruble crash of 98 look like a tea social.
Practically the devaluation of hryvnia decreased the average ukrainian wages from 400$ in July to 320$ in September.(they decreased even in hryvnia).If this trend continues,life for westerners will become easier.
Ukrainian economy could collapse(there can be no bail out program in this country unlike Russia and EU),however Putin promised support in exchange to ukrainian reorientation to Russia.Timoshenko already agreed.If the agreement is kept,gas prices will not increase in January.
Anyway the news are encouraging for mongers.
Timmy the convoluted registstration process in the Ukraine was put in place to hurry up WTO membership. Ukraine got membership in what, the spring/winter? Hence the relaxed rules.
Who's going to bail Russia out?
One thing for sure its not going to be the good old US of A
Only Americans seem to think oh well at least the rest of the worlds going to get it as well! I have news for you, apart from the UK no where is going to get it as bad as the USA, bank bail out pah! just delaying the obvious bankruptcy of America, its not if, its when!
Please tell me why are all commodity dealers/ producers now starting to deal in Euros only?
The writings on the wall, now please back to the hookers!
One thing for sure its not going to be the good old US of A
Only Americans seem to think oh well at least the rest of the worlds going to get it as well! I have news for you, apart from the UK no where is going to get it as bad as the USA, bank bail out pah! just delaying the obvious bankruptcy of America, its not if, its when!
Please tell me why are all commodity dealers/ producers now starting to deal in Euros only?
The writings on the wall, now please back to the hookers!
Agreed USA national debt is now 12 Trillion and counting! Has doubled in less than a year. Their screwed? UK not doing much better though. Bail out will not work. How will borrowing MORE money solve debt crisis?!
Anyway...back to the hooters!
Doctor_Skank
10-12-08, 14:18
Agreed USA national debt is now 12 Trillion and counting! Has doubled in less than a year. Their screwed? UK not doing much better though. Bail out will not work. How will borrowing MORE money solve debt crisis?!
Anyway...back to the hooters!You know, there is an "American Politics" thread...
Here's a picture of my girlfriend's tits. If I'm honest to myself, it's pretty much her tits that keep me calling back. That and her marathon cock-sucking sessions. Some girls just loving sucking man meat.
Dr S, that is quite the nice rack!
Q, do you read any other website other the ISG? How many of the world's stock markets closed last week? Here's a hint for you - none of them were the NYSE.
You know, there is an "American Politics" thread...
Here's a picture of my girlfriend's tits. If I'm honest to myself, it's pretty much her tits that keep me calling back. That and her marathon cock-sucking sessions. Some girls just loving sucking man meat.
Great rack...any more photos...found a gem there!
Hope the current crisis becomes bigger and the domino effect comes to East Europe. Cheaper prices, modest girls content with a lot less, less glamour and more action. Back to the good old golden days.
Dr S, that is quite the nice rack!
Q, do you read any other website other the ISG? How many of the world's stock markets closed last week? Here's a hint for you - none of them were the NYSE.Yes you are so right, the only site I ever visit! how did you guess?
Now please back to the hookers!
And pictures of tits not just conversations by tits.
Hello IT can you give me the exact address of "Illy Caffè" ? or much more informations for find it?
Thank youDid not see your post!
You can buy Illy at Tsum. On K street.
Otherwise in the basement under the Rinok one of the bars is serving it. Just look at the sign.
IT
And pictures of tits not just conversations by tits.Yep Cruiser would certainly be known as a right tit in the UK. Or should that be a left one based on his politics?
Hi guys
I was in kiev this past May and almost all the girls in RP were asking for $400 at around 11:00pm, I waited and watched for the price to go down, at around 2:30am the price for some of the girls had dropped to $250-$300. I took a nice blond back to my room, and spent about 3 hours with her.
My question for the more senior members here:
If I take a girl out say at 11:00pm, do I have her all night, like from 11:00pm to say 5-6:00am? Or the $400 basically buys me the 2-3 hours time with the girl? Which means I would get more girl/hr in this case, can you guys recommend which track is more advantageous: early take out and pay the $400, or take much later and pay $250-300?
Thanks
Doctor_Skank
10-14-08, 08:28
Hi guys
I was in kiev this past May and almost all the girls in RP were asking for $400 at around 11:00pm, I waited and watched for the price to go down, at around 2:30am the price for some of the girls had dropped to $250-$300. I took a nice blond back to my room, and spent about 3 hours with her.
My question for the more senior members here:
If I take a girl out say at 11:00pm, do I have her all night, like from 11:00pm to say 5-6:00am? Or the $400 basically buys me the 2-3 hours time with the girl? Which means I would get more girl/hr in this case, can you guys recommend which track is more advantageous: early take out and pay the $400, or take much later and pay $250-300?
ThanksVery simple: clear that up with the girl beforehand. Most assume the deal is 2-3 hours/1-2 pokes. Although some girls are happy to stay the night and do so without question, some girls want to go back to the club for round 2.
Sloppy seconds. Nasty.
Or just go home and sleep in their own bed. Understandable.
Or go back to their unsuspecting boyfriend or husband. Funny.
Or go back to their pimp boyfriend and give him the money. Buzz kill.
If you want her for a longer time, it is best to negotiate and clear this up beforehand.
I also think you should adjust your purchasing habits to yourself. If you are fresh and energetic at 12.00... maybe it pays off to take one then (paying about $100 more than you would later) as opposed to waiting around, spending $30-50 on drinks only to take a girl home at 4am for $100 less and then only have energy for 1-2 pokes?
Explorer69
10-14-08, 13:10
Hi guys
I was in kiev this past May and almost all the girls in RP were asking for $400 at around 11:00pm, I waited and watched for the price to go down, at around 2:30am the price for some of the girls had dropped to $250-$300. I took a nice blond back to my room, and spent about 3 hours with her.
My question for the more senior members here:
If I take a girl out say at 11:00pm, do I have her all night, like from 11:00pm to say 5-6:00am? Or the $400 basically buys me the 2-3 hours time with the girl? Which means I would get more girl/hr in this case, can you guys recommend which track is more advantageous: early take out and pay the $400, or take much later and pay $250-300?
ThanksThere is no simple answer to this. It depends on the girl, on you, how you click, is she hard pro, and what kind of deal you make.
I could personally never understand the point in waiting to 3 -4 am, save 100 bucks, but in the meantime spending money - and maybe getting a little drunk and tired - so the sex is also less fun?
If you are early, you may risk that the girl gets out quickly to go back to RP. On the other side, I once had a bad early meeting, and I myself went back to RP and got another girl for a great allnighter!
Hi guys
I was in kiev this past May and almost all the girls in RP were asking for $400 at around 11:00pm, I waited and watched for the price to go down, at around 2:30am the price for some of the girls had dropped to $250-$300. I took a nice blond back to my room, and spent about 3 hours with her.
My question for the more senior members here:
If I take a girl out say at 11:00pm, do I have her all night, like from 11:00pm to say 5-6:00am? Or the $400 basically buys me the 2-3 hours time with the girl? Which means I would get more girl/hr in this case, can you guys recommend which track is more advantageous: early take out and pay the $400, or take much later and pay $250-300?
Thanks
Ditto on what Dr. Skank said. Iwas there last month and the girls in RP seemed quite direct and willing to talk explicitly about what for how long and how much. The one I took home (well, actually she took ME home as she had a car) told me upfront that she would stay until 5:30 AM and then she was outta there.
Thank you gentlemen for your comments and much needed advise.
I have one more question for you guys. I will stay in Kiev 3 nights this time. Beside setting up dates with the girls online in advance of my visit there, and visiting RP. Would you recommend any other venue that is a "must try" for getting a good taste of mongering in Kiev?
Thank you for your advise and your wisdom.
LifeSavour
10-22-08, 22:02
Moved to 1 of the newer sleeping districts in Kyiv 3 weeks ago. Finally alone (no gal) after a year.
Was waiting for the auto-bus OR marchutka and sitting drinking a liter around 22:00. There was this taller blonde 'prancing' back and forth inf ront of me.
After 10 minutes she went to walk to metro and I said, Nyte marshutka?
In decent english it was. 'stupid transport'. So I asked why she spoke english? 'I am a Doctor"! Yes, that expalins it. Anway we talk some and I tell her I am new to the district, by this time our BUS comes. We get on and I sit with her. She is from Belarussia, but is UKR girl. I tell her I want to speak english with her soon. Ask if she is married? "yes, " So I ask if she has a boyfriend? And she says yes. Maybe 2!
SEE, guys. THEY are 'fawkers' just as much as we are.
I tell her it is my Birthday tomorrow and I want her to celebrate with me. We agree on Cognac in cafe near our homes.
So today we meet at 4:00pm. We comes 'smoking hot'. Tits bulging out. And is so sweet! Tells me all about her husband and how HE is nothing. And how she wants to have some attention. So I tell her we can go and she can she the attention of a USA guy.
Sorry, but daughter is home. So I sms her later. How I want. ALL.
She replies, Why not, you are gentle!
I say come in the morning. (I AM LIKING THIS, as I am in 'morning mode' usually)
We will see how good this is?
My point is this. These girls are so missing a good, nice, fun, easy going guy to show them some care & atention.
At over 50, in USA I could never. Ever get this gal to even.
Oh well, I am here and LUVING IT!
LS (the master of FREE) Guy
Bez Bezarra
10-22-08, 22:42
After 9 years, I FINALLY have access to a laptop in my Ukrainian apartment, so I can attempt to initiate a monger meeting, with any Seniors interested in swapping tall tail tales over tallboys.
Any buyers?
I almost hope nobody's in town, I am so fucking drained tired at this point that I can't even type anymore. I've reached that point where I'm half-fucking just for the workout to try to pull every muscle and for the thrill of the screams I'm getting out of the dyevs. I want to give them something to remember long after their ass cheek hickey's have faded purple to yellow-green.l
Explorer69
10-23-08, 08:26
Thank you gentlemen for your comments and much needed advise.
I have one more question for you guys. I will stay in Kiev 3 nights this time. Beside setting up dates with the girls online in advance of my visit there, and visiting RP. Would you recommend any other venue that is a "must try" for getting a good taste of mongering in Kiev?
Thank you for your advise and your wisdom.If you haven't been to Kiev before, then RP is your safe bet. And if you go there 3 nights in a row you will see new girls every night (although some will be there every night!). In the weekend Arena might be worth to try. Depending on how much money you want to spend/can spend you can go to the nightclub Millenium in Dniepr Hotell. They sometimes have real stunners and almost all of them are for take out. But it will cost you maybe 600 USD for all night. Be careful with girl's drinks etc. in club, suddenly you have spent another USD 200 there. You can get there around 10 pm, check it out and then move to RP around midnight. But this will cost you twice as much as RP.
Life, the next time I am in Kyiv I just have to meet you. Did you move to Bovary? ;)
Bez, yeah for years and years we were stuck using dial up and phone cards, now it seems like at least half the apartment have broadband now. I got hooked on the USB broadband cell modem I used the last time I was in the Ukraine.
Bez Bezarra
10-23-08, 11:35
[QUOTE=Cruiser D
Bez, for years you were using dial up and phone cards, now apartment have broadband. I got hooked on the USB broadband cell modem in Ukraine.
[/QUOTE]
Sometimes you are quite off.
I've never tried anything here except Internet Cafe before, because I never HAD a laptop, because I never bothered with using internet websites to meet dyevochkas. Just never needed it before. My style has always been networking through human contacts, mamachkas, padrugas, agencies, on and on.
Ok, so last year I discovered, thanks to somebody suggesting, the dating sites, but I still only used that at home, to pre-set meetings and have phone numbers to call when I got here. That actually worked, but it was limited, again, some are serious to meet, and others not. Making any new contacts with that since I've arrived, well, since I've been here 2 and a half weeks, I have YET to meet even one new girl with the dating websites. Its like Lukasek said about Ufa, when you're in your home country, some may be very friendly, cause they really don't think that you will come. Once you get here, they act like they never knew you or wanted you to come, like they and got spooked.
Not all, mind you. Dasha in Russia, and Olya here in Ukraine, are 2 of the absolute most incredible dyevs, 100% 10's in every possible GFE I could ever want, and without the websites, I never would have found either one. Since I left Russia in the spring, Dasha is now missing in action. She sms's me in May, and no response since. GO figure.
But SINCE I've been here, nothing with the internet. All new acquaintances since I've been here have been old style for me. Killing time posting ain't so bad, waiting now for Polinka to come over.
So I was NOT using dial up or phone cards, and as far as the adapter or connection, I just plugged the cable in, and started surfing. But with the laptop I bought last month at CompUSA, even the IP tech guys here in the provinces at their office could not configure the protocols or Network connection to get that thing to work here. We even spent a half hour on the phone with Sylvannia tech support long distance to NYC, and that was completely useless, to get it through the very final step where it kept kicking back to some question about the PPPoe virtual private network broadband connection settings. Each time we put in the codes and passwords, that work for EVERY OTHER laptop that anyone else has ever used here, MINE WOULD NOT accept it.
But that is just simply the Bez way, with all things technical.
Give me a nipple or a clit, and I'll get that thing gushing and twitching like
a mexican jumping bean dripping juice down my chin!
Cell modems? Fuck if I know!
Last shot, anybody up for Saturday Night in Kiev, or am I jsut gonna have to give all my time to Zhenya and Marina? At least they are texting me like mad waiting for my return. Mongers? well, I guess I never had much use for you lot in the past, why should now be any different, right?
Doc, you out there in the suburbs? Time for another PapaJohns bathroom BJ
with some blondinkas from Archangels'k?
Roger the Dodger Mellie? You still serving time for that gone-bad arms deal with the Mauritanians?
Strav?
Anyone?
Doctor_Skank
10-23-08, 11:43
Doc, you out there in the suburbs? Time for another PapaJohns bathroom BJ
with some blondinkas from Archangels'k?
Roger the Dodger Mellie? You still serving time for that gone-bad arms deal with the Mauritanians?
Anyone?Bueller? Bueller?
Actually it was Mellie who scored the Siberian bathroom blowjob... but it was Papa John's... :)
Mellie is still around and banging birds right and left. Good stuff too.
Regrettably I'm in St.Petes, otherwise I'd buy you a Slavutich. Or was that Slutovich?
LifeSavour
10-23-08, 13:49
Cruise MAN, last time I told you we could hook up. I would pay for metro to RP and you could buy me a beer!
But now I won't offer that. Word is metro will go to 2 uah! Ouch!
Bez Guy, I'll drink a beer with ya. Hell. I drink 8 liters a day anyway.
LS Guy
Ps. Dr Freebie was called into the hospital early today, we are meeting at 22:00 near my flat!
Pps. She is what is called a "Narcologist" WTF is that? I told her I was an American Alcoholic. But here I am just a SOCIAL drinker! She laughed!
That 'you' was supposed to be taken as a general 'we'. Thats why I changed it about 2 minutes after I posted the original message. But alas I was not fast enough to beat the web surfing Bez.
And you are right, the internet is universal, you have to throw a lot out there to get one good hit. Dating Agency websites have a lot higher hit percentage because the girls are serious, about what who knows but their intentions are usually serious, whether it's for a single free meal or a life time of free meals. :) Ask for the Dyev's mobile number and then call her and chat. That is generally the litmus test to see if there will be any real time face (or other body part) time.
I'd say your ASUS is suffering from built in NIC driver problems. Solution, download a new driver (if there is one) or buy a USB network interface that works with both your laptop and the Ukr network interface. Or better yet hang out at the University of Hot Young Female IT Students and ask for help.
Little chilly in Kyiv today? :)
The metro is going up to 2uah? No way! Forget it, I'm never going to Kyiv again.
Why didn't you show up for the Super Bowl Ho Down? Got another one coming up soon.
Bez Bezarra
10-24-08, 08:41
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i was not fast enough to bs bez.
i'd say your asus is suffering.
chilly in kyiv today?
1.
the asus i borrowed from the ip company president, works just fine, wonderful, in fact. i've been using it for 2 weeks. he lent it to me, because his 2 tech guys could not get my brand new off the shleves sylvannia gos to accept their pppoe whatever thingy, so he was nice enough to hold onto my $300 piece of crap, and let me use one of his. in an hour, i will be returning his asus, and retrieving my gos, and thus you will see no more posts from bez until i return home, but when i do, i will have fotos.
2.
i wouldn't know the weather in kyiv since i'm still out here in kyandilund oblast, near the tractor factory and nucular testing waste disposal plant for chernobyl science project memorials. but its probably 6 degrees there. here in oblast cuntry, its sunny and nippy, though my flat is very toasty, as the radiators kicked on 4 days ago, and i can finally sleep without 3 fucking blankets and 2 warm-up suits on. these radiators have one speed, full blast, so its quite balmy inside, in fact, i have to keep the windows open to keep it bearable in here. its obviously necessary to have the heat cranking, since it will be 30 below zero in another 6 weeks, and the heat will be welcome to all the locals, but for me, i'm happy to walk around in shorts and no shirt, just like being home!
this is bez, signing off from the land of kandy.
see you again in the spring.
You can use the Wifi in Borispil with your Gos. :P
And you said you were going to stay across from Manadrin Plaza, so who is BS'ing who here. Come on Bez, you aren't fooling anyone anymore. You aren't a budget minded province ho'er. The reports are already filter in from my spies at Decedance, seems like you spent the last two weeks there in the company of $500/hour ho's and 5k/week sugar babies. Yuri the bar man said you were dropping an easy 2k/night for bottle service, chicken wings and bubble gum for the girls.
Browsing through the recent discussion on UKR economy and exchange rates, I couldn't help but notice how far our dollar got hammered in recent years.
The last time I was in Keiv, was in Dec 2004, orange revolution time. An apartment in krischatic street was $45 a night. All nighter with a russian blonde from RP was $150 ( I think) and I bought a last minute air ticket from Kiev to Lviv for just $60. And the freebe who stayed with me for 2 days and took me to her apartment also ..... priceless.
Yup, Royal it was good times back then. 1k/month for a great western apartment in Maidan or within site of Mandarin Plaza. The RP girls were running $100-$150 for the night. GIA was still priced ok. The salons were running $40-$80. But you can still get cheap airfares. :)
But even as good as that was, we (I) missed the 'wanna fuck, I'm American' days. Or 'I'll buy you diner for sex' during the Ruble crash of 1998.
Bez Bezarra
10-27-08, 03:59
You said you stay across from Manadrin Plaza.
Bez, you aren't fooling anyone anymore.
You aren't a budget minded provincer.
The spies at Decedance see you in the company of 5k/week sugar babies.
Yuri said you drop 2k/night for girls.
Your agents must have been tailing my identical twin, Udre Bezarra, small arms dealer and large living monger, he prefers to shoot .22 caliber KGB Markov well placed rounds into targets like Galina Krasnopizd's eye socket.
I, on the other foot, AM foolin' everyone, in fact, I can fool most of the fools most of the time, but not too early please!
But so what if when I'm passing through and camped out holed up with a couple of 3-holers in a flat next door to the Fortuna Cigarny Bar on Beseynya Ul.! Its not like I'm sleeping INSIDE the Prada store!
As far as $5,000 per week models, you're just completely wrong as usual, but I think at this point, that your point is simply to write the most innacurate posts in an effort to fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shamus on George W?
That's why 15 out of my 17 nites, I was right back home, hangin wth Mr. Kupervich, and my new freebie Darva, who has an apple of a popa.
For the mongering record though, I would like to go down for posterity, that I, one Beznarkoff Guzzouli Wolfrick von Schmucklestien Bezarra LLC LTD & Sons, did my very absolute almost best to initiate a monger-gatherin' last Saturday in K-City, and was re-boofed by all those parties who you know who you are, especially that LS Gay, who blew off a confirmed meetin' o' the ISG Klan, for none other than some little pieces of pizda, two in suck-cession, might I add, one "regular old gal-pal, but she's got free food!", in light of the historic proportion of the occasion, left the Bez holding, (and squeezing), the bagpipe bag!
So let it be known, (Admin that's you!), that next time around fall '09, when Bez hits Mandarin Plaza, it might just not be with Alyssa, 18 year old hard charging tennis star wannabe that had only posted her page one day before a friend and big titty loving monger himself looked her up and tipped me off to call her, turns out she was very VERY much quite the little eager beaver to meet up at Fridays at 11:30, and without so much as a, "can I buy ya a drink?", walked right out from the foyer with me, passed through the empty Bessarabka, past the Bentley's in Mandarin, and into the lair I had concocted to which the ultra-debauching of her one-month old post-op 38D breast implants, I performed another Doctor Skank method gifting program of a very cheap black lace see through neglige' teddy bear nighty.
Thanks to this well tested and approved monger pre-sex labia moistening technique, I simply told her I had been waiting all along for a dyev like her, to model this sleep wear, so she became excited and grabbed the thing right out of my hands, and into the tyualet, proceeded to strip down to nothing, and emerge all fresh implants and beaver in this nighty, practically blowing up the capital city with her insane perfect body. Ok, I'll admit her face was nothing inspiring, but not a problem either, with very soft skin and lots of smiles, thick and very healthy dark brown hair that she twirled all around the Bez Johnson while deep-throating, but as I said, a strong shouldered athletic freaky Kiev girl, on the prowl for a passin-through monger. Boy did I get lucky! She rocked my damn world, and surprised the hell out of me with her ultra-horny tennis style sex romp, grinding her pussy so hard into my jaw as she sat on my face, that its still sore from the mashing she inflicted upon me.
All this, when I only expected to go grab a brew or two with some monger ex-pat from Springfield, little did the Bez know this no-show was gonna lead me to a very memorable session with my first and only 18 year old Ukrainian implant amazon girl with an insatiable appetite for cock. My only regret is that she did NOT want to allow me to share my wonderful luck with the board, as she insisted NO FOTOS of her or her impressive 38D's. what a shame! She was quite a site, if you could imagine any of the new crop of WTA tennis stars, about 5'8", extremely solidly built shoulders, but not an ounce of fat, all muscle, and now to add as well, all tits, squatting down leg thrusts, and huffing puffing grunting with each and every beef injection inside her twat, man what a work out! I wish I could say that she nearly killed me, but that I had been working out daily and nightly for 2 straight weeks in the provinces, to prepare myself for this 3 set match against a very intimidating opponent, she stared me down like some breakfast sausage, and gobbled my rod like there was no tomorrow.
After I splooged a sticky spurting onto her smiling cheeks which she rubbed in for a healthy zit-free complexion, she thanked me and bear hugged me, and was off into the night for a taksi homeward to her grandmother's doma, leaving me with a wild and crazy story that could have only been a result, ONCE AGAIN, of the weird and wacky circumstances of this monger-haven we call ISG!
Myabe I DO need to spend a little more time here in Kyiv? I must say, all my complaining about prices being too high, didn't come to fruition this time around, as Nataly was not complaining for the $150 I gave her for the 2 hours she fuck-fested with me for our post-provincial follow up session, and Alyssa never even mentioned dengi during our entire evening together, so I slid 400 hrivna into her purse when she was leaving. Perhaps she will think Bez to be a cheapo-lay, though I believe she was in it for the thrash, over the cash, and subsequently left with her own ear-to ear huy sucking grin.
As I mentioned with GREAT regret, sorry but no after-match neglige' modeling fotos with Alyssa, but she is in Kyiv, if you wanna find her, she hangs in Independence square with her tennis program girlfriends.
So, Darva in the provinces with her cute little and very spankable apple-popa:
Yup, Royal it was good times back then. 1k/month for a great western apartment in Maidan or within site of Mandarin Plaza. The RP girls were running $100-$150 for the night. GIA was still priced ok. The salons were running $40-$80. But you can still get cheap airfares. :)
But even as good as that was, we (I) missed the 'wanna fuck, I'm American' days. Or 'I'll buy you diner for sex' during the Ruble crash of 1998.
Start thinking Ruble crash of 1998 and move back in time from there CD. Reasonably safe to predict that we will see UKr. and EE getting back to those times from this Xmas on. It is going to be a great Monger Spring in EE once again. Just be sure to keep your powder dry and enjoy. Bez B will think he died (again) and is in 3-hole heaven once more. It is gonna be brutal for the Young Players but the Old Hands will thrive.
Prepare to Hang in and Enjoy. Oh yes - no longer will the good ladies be turning up their noses at the puny US $ - until it crashes again, IMO, along with super high interest rates in 12-18 months. I can hardly wait.
http://www.advfn.com/news_UPDATE-2-IMF-Ukraine-agree-on-16-5-billion-loan-deal_28947523.html
Sorry to intervene but the ones who have been hit till now by the economic crisis in this forum are the mongers who cannot get easy credit to visit FSU and not the local women.
Ukraine is on the path of recession,not collapse.Wages in terms of US dollars stand now in the same level as one year ago,at 310$ per month.
I have written that the limit of 300$ per month decides for the girls' attitude,if it is surpassed,chances to get freebies get considerably lower.(for example you may start getting one freebie per week only which is economically unacceptable).
So unless the wages fall under the 300$ per month,we will see no real improvement in condition in Ukraine for pussy investors.
Xavier Yves
10-28-08, 20:04
Start thinking Ruble crash of 1998 and move back in time from there CD. Reasonably safe to predict that we will see UKr. and EE getting back to those times from this Xmas on. It is going to be a great Monger Spring in EE once again. Just be sure to keep your powder dry and enjoy. Bez B will think he died (again) and is in 3-hole heaven once more. It is gonna be brutal for the Young Players but the Old Hands will thrive.
Prepare to Hang in and Enjoy. Oh yes - no longer will the good ladies be turning up their noses at the puny US $ - until it crashes again, IMO, along with super high interest rates in 12-18 months. I can hardly wait.
http://www.advfn.com/news_UPDATE-2-IMF-Ukraine-agree-on-16-5-billion-loan-deal_28947523.html
looking at EUR/USD appreicated to 1.6 level and now back to 1.2, thinking that crude oil price climbed from 50$ to 150$ per barrel and now is below 80$, everything is NOT predictable anymore
AColonizer
11-02-08, 18:44
For beginner mongers who wish to come to Ukraine.
It is hard to sum up all information from this forum and from my experiences into few words. I try to put here what can help foreigners in Ukraine and nobody says that. I am sure you will save a lot of money with my report!
First of all, about men. Too many men think when a woman is beautiful, then she can ask everything. Too many men think it is right to be a gentleman with women. Too many men have hard lives with women in their own countries and they hope to find good women in Ukraine. Too many men think pussy fuck is more important than money. Too many men don’t know sex is an art and this is not just a sperm download. Too many men don’t know the sweetest women can provide the worst sexual perversions to the ugliest and oldest men in the world for cheap. Too many men don’t know women stay with a man just for a temporary convenience. Etc. If this is your condition, please don't come to Ukraine. Ukraine is for tough mongers who can get the best sex with very little money. Go to Thailand or Brasil, cheaper and easier!
Ukraine, Ukrainian economy and Ukrainian women have too many connections with Western business, such as a lot of "agencies", "salons", "sites" in Kiev are owned by European or American or Australian men, therefore you expect to receive Western style P4P, little sex for big money. This is not worth a travel to Ukraine for P4P purpose. Remember prices and services informed by Internet sites, River Palace, Patipa, and so on. 100/150$ for a hour of a bad covered blowjob and a bad missionary fuck: this is a further evidence that men are stupid! Master mongers sometimes write about exciting sessions, but they forget to write those sessions are uncommon and GFE sex with beautiful women is rare also in Ukraine. Or do you think a woman becomes beautiful only because she gives her pussy to you?
I read Kiev was the origin of Russian people, but in the past! Now I see in Kiev too many women who have a Mediterranean or Turkish appearance more than a Russian look.
Recession? Where is the economic recession? Not with Ukrainian women! P4P prices continue to go up although the world recession. OK we negotiate prices with 1, 10, 50 women and prices are always high. No matter about services, swallow blowjobs and anal sex are usual with Ukrainian men, but not with foreigners! Go to strip clubs, Ukrainian men often get swallow blowjobs or more, no matter for foreigners. Go to massage salons, Ukrainian men often get swallow blowjobs or more, no matter for foreigners. This means only one thing: no respect. And do you like to pay a woman who has no respect of you?
Beginner mongers, come to Ukraine only for good business or hard mongering, otherwise try experience elsewhere, cheaper and easier!
AC, are you joking? Or just trying to reduce competition? Do you really use swallowing to measure the respect? Is really saving money the point? Shouldn't be how to get the best sex?
I agree that UA is not cheap and sometime also not easy. Ukrainian women LIKE sex but not CHEAP men (pocket and brain). They have a lot of pride and you have to deal with this.
Anyway here I continue to experience definitely the best and wildest sex, and always with stunning looking women.
Sex quality and GFE matter a lot for me and honestly being a (not stupid) gentleman had a big payoff most of times. GFE is what I want and what I get. Do women stay with me for temporary convenience? So what? I also have temporary fun with them. Do I spend a lot on them? I don't think so. Looking at the ratio GFE/spending I don't regret one cent. Is pussy most important than money? I'm happier when I sleep with a hottie than when I sleep with banknotes. Is the wildest sex only for locals? Not my personal experience.
Each of us has different behaviours, according to our priorities and goals. I'm absolutely happy with my experience here. Do you think my way makes a harder life for mongers like you? I don't think so... anyway who cares?
For beginner mongers who wish to come to Ukraine.
It is hard to sum up all information from this forum and from my experiences into few words. I try to put here what can help foreigners in Ukraine and nobody says that. I am sure you will save a lot of money with my report!
First of all, about men. Too many men think when a woman is beautiful, then she can ask everything. Too many men think it is right to be a gentleman with women. Too many men have hard lives with women in their own countries and they hope to find good women in Ukraine. Too many men think pussy fuck is more important than money. Too many men don’t know sex is an art and this is not just a sperm download. Too many men don’t know the sweetest women can provide the worst sexual perversions to the ugliest and oldest men in the world for cheap. Too many men don’t know women stay with a man just for a temporary convenience. Etc. If this is your condition, please don't come to Ukraine. Ukraine is for tough mongers who can get the best sex with very little money. Go to Thailand or Brasil, cheaper and easier!
Ukraine, Ukrainian economy and Ukrainian women have too many connections with Western business, such as a lot of "agencies", "salons", "sites" in Kiev are owned by European or American or Australian men, therefore you expect to receive Western style P4P, little sex for big money. This is not worth a travel to Ukraine for P4P purpose. Remember prices and services informed by Internet sites, River Palace, Patipa, and so on. 100/150$ for a hour of a bad covered blowjob and a bad missionary fuck: this is a further evidence that men are stupid! Master mongers sometimes write about exciting sessions, but they forget to write those sessions are uncommon and GFE sex with beautiful women is rare also in Ukraine. Or do you think a woman becomes beautiful only because she gives her pussy to you?
I read Kiev was the origin of Russian people, but in the past! Now I see in Kiev too many women who have a Mediterranean or Turkish appearance more than a Russian look.
Recession? Where is the economic recession? Not with Ukrainian women! P4P prices continue to go up although the world recession. OK we negotiate prices with 1, 10, 50 women and prices are always high. No matter about services, swallow blowjobs and anal sex are usual with Ukrainian men, but not with foreigners! Go to strip clubs, Ukrainian men often get swallow blowjobs or more, no matter for foreigners. Go to massage salons, Ukrainian men often get swallow blowjobs or more, no matter for foreigners. This means only one thing: no respect. And do you like to pay a woman who has no respect of you?
Beginner mongers, come to Ukraine only for good business or hard mongering, otherwise try experience elsewhere, cheaper and easier!
If any new people read this, ignore everything thats written!
I am getting more and more to believe he's never even been to Ukraine.
In fact I believe he tells tales better than Hans Christian Anderson.
What salons, sites and agencies are owned by Americans Europeans and Australians? Do you get the whole way business is done here? I guess NOT.
And yes we get it you give no women any respect! So what?
Your post is no help, its a shitty opinion miss guided and false and should be treated as such.
DJ FourMoney
11-04-08, 07:06
AC -
For newbies, just follow the examples of many but you sir, you seem to be negative about anybody that visits the EE looking for sex. If you have problems, guess what? You have problems, that doens't mean others will.
Hecker -
Okay I give up, your saying wages are attached to pussy? So the less money you make, the more your inclinded to be involved in P4P trade?
Wouldn't that also mean that men looking for services have less money to spend on sex???
Sorry it doesn't make sense to me....
AC -
For newbies, just follow the examples of many but you sir, you seem to be negative about anybody that visits the EE looking for sex. If you have problems, guess what? You have problems, that doens't mean others will.
Hecker -
Okay I give up, your saying wages are attached to pussy? So the less money you make, the more your inclinded to be involved in P4P trade?
Wouldn't that also mean that men looking for services have less money to spend on sex???
Sorry it doesn't make sense to me....What is that?I wrote that there is a natural limit of wages which in my opinion is at 300$ which sets the difference in freebie attitude,in fact it determines if you can get massive quantities of freebies in limited time.
In the last year wages in Ukraine surpassed this limit approaching even 420$ in July.With the crisis they have been hit but they still stand at 315$,above the 300$ limit.
For example if you go to a place and you cannot bed a freebie inside 3 days,the place is not worth visiting because there are other places where this is possible.
For example in 2003 when the wages were 87$ on average,you could go every night to a different club in Kiev and every night go to bed with a different girl you met at the club.Now there are scammers,proffesional daters,etc and it is almost impossible to get laid inside 3 days in Kiev,neither you get one night stands by visiting the clubs let's say Friday,Saturday.There are reasons for that.
Most people seem to foreget that money paid on scammers and professional daters and time lost and money paid on plane tickets and accomodation should all be added when estimating the ratio of qualityXquantity/costXtime.
AColonizer
11-04-08, 16:51
For Qjump: instead I know Ukrainian mindset very well and statistics speak up. Your opinion is shit! Facts are facts! In general, crazy prices for bad services. A real GFE is rare in comparison of calls and meetings that we have.
Facts and evidences! How many Ukrainian girls make deepthroat cum injections for 30/50 euros? Until last year, here in Italy all Ukrainian girls have usually made deepthroat cum injections for 30/50 euros. Why not in Kiev? Why not usual for foreigners? Why not for 100$ too?
Do you believe to help people to talk about fairy tales? Why do you write about fairy tales? We pay for a service, why women want just to cheat us? We know all Ukrainian women are hot and they like real sex. Do you know what is real sex? That's one name: royal blowjob! When a woman doesn't make a royal blowjob, that means she doesn't have real sex: that's it! There is no further opinions! This is the only real fact. Full stop!
I have been to Kiev six times in a year and I don't need to evidence anything to you! Instead I am very sad when I see a lot of gentlemen, not like you, in Kiev waste their money for female vampires. And I become more sad when I see ta lot of gentlemen are happy just because they fuck vaginally a beautiful girl, who is not worth her price definitely.
Ac, you need to change the way you do things. Has it gotten a lot harder in Kyiv, sure but not too hard. The simplest advice I can give is avoid girls you know you are going to have a bad time with. Have a drink with a girl in RP before you take her home, chat with her. In 5 minutes time you should be able to tell if she's worth it. Don't go throwing time and money at a girl because you have to have her. It's a plan for failure.
Westerners do not control any facet of the Kyiv p4p scene. It is control by local organized crime, the politicians and the police. Of course sometimes this is one entity in Kyiv. :)
T66, nice to see you back.
well, not all the AC says is wrong. when i need a quick hardcore bang, it's usually Germany and Fkks that do it to me.
Russia and Ukraine are no longer the haven that was 12 years ago; but for a semi-pro romantic time with a hottie, it's still FINE.
All Bez reports have been numbered 1371 for at least 3 years.
All CD reports have been numbered 791 for several years too?
PLEASE EXPLAIN!!!
All Bez reports have been numbered 1371 for at least 3 years.
All CD reports have been numbered 791 for several years too?
PLEASE EXPLAIN!!!
Never noticed.... but will take care ;)
IT
It is really sad to see so many posts about the sex that people did not have in Kiev, whether it be because of price or ability. If you cannot get laid by a beautiful girl in Kiev, for free or at a reasonable price, you are either not looking or not informed. Forget River Palace and the discos. Go out on the street, Khreshatyk is the best place, and just go up and talk to the women who are always sitting and walking there after regular work hours. The prospects are unbelievable, just go up, say Hi, and let nature take care of the rest.
For example in 2003 when the wages were 87$ on average,you could go every night to a different club in Kiev and every night go to bed with a different girl you met at the club.Now there are scammers,proffesional daters,etc and it is almost impossible to get laid inside 3 days in Kiev,neither you get one night stands by visiting the clubs let's say Friday,Saturday.There are reasons for that.
Yes back in 2004 you could take a real hottie home from 111 (ah, just the name brings back memories!) for $100.
The rule seems to be that they want to earn a month's money in one night. That's the tipping point.
Bez and I are the same person.
DJ FourMoney
11-07-08, 05:03
Yes back in 2004 you could take a real hottie home from 111 (ah, just the name brings back memories!) for $100.
The rule seems to be that they want to earn a month's money in one night. That's the tipping point.
So they can go on expensive shopping sprees and buy cars, wouldn't you demand that if you could get it??
The girl I talked too in RP wanted $250US for what I got for 100Euro in Germany and I'd say the FKK girl was better looking. Also 9 times out of 10 in Germany its an PSE or GFE if you take in the "signals" given too you. Girl grabbed my Johnson under the towel and said "I like Black Men" - Geezus I don't need a bigger invitation than that!
From all the complaining for some unless you have previous connections either online or from previous visits, then Kyiv is prolly only good for Wife Hunting these days and even that is a YMMV.
Yes back in 2004 you could take a real hottie home from 111 (ah, just the name brings back memories!) for $100.
The rule seems to be that they want to earn a month's money in one night. That's the tipping point.Yes, I agree. You have to spend the local average wage per month in one day. This is the rule.So for Kiev it is 3200 gryvnia or 400 euro.
Never noticed.... but will take care ;)
IT
Since I mentioned the numbering of their reports, they have started to increase, but if you look a year or two back in the archive you will see what I mean.
Also CD posts below that CD and Bez are the same person!
Now I'm even more confused!
We all know that Ukraine and Russia are not the pussy paradise they where 10 or 15 years ago… But chatting on the economic crisis here it’s a little bit too much… And I’ll still go there for girls… May be you are all right for quickie prices, but I’m for overnighters or several day sponsoring so… it’s still convenient and cheaper than EU by far! May be you can even move to a small town where you can cut in half the prices! But… you are in the middle of nowhere!
I still remember when I had two teen sisters, in Moscow, not Kiev but the situation was in the 90’s the same, for 4/5 nights, staying at me day and night, for 700$… by the way doing BBBJ + CIM and swallowing! :p :p
Now this is the show up rate at Night Flight! I well remember when you could get Hotel girls (of course more expensive than others) for 100 $ for a whole night of sex. And I’m not meaning form 01.00 to 06.00. I just mean a girl staying with you 12 or even more hours usually making sex in the evening and in the morning, as Bez says, a threeholer (BBBJ, CIM etc. where normal). Still have nice minds of some teens I got then. You could even get some just in exchange for hotel and nice lifestyle… (I remember got two interpreters for a long threesome weekend… not beauties but two real young pigs just for hotel and restaurant). But’s gone!!! Nothing to do!!! It international crisis do not help to make the prices lighter! At least so far… may be in Moscow it will help do not know in Kiev.
The crisis is not the matter. There is an usual equation valid nearly everywhere. A good night of sex with a upscale girl and nice GFE, not a 4 hour quickie, usually costs what a normal medium-low monthly salary is with some exceptions. This is price for pros not for freebies that usually are cheaper. Just a week ago what I consider a stunner (19/160/42, red hair, freckles etc) asked me via e-mail 15.000 RUR/night in Moscow and 20.000/day for sponsoring on vacation. The medium salary of a metro conductor is exactly 13-15.000 RUR (look at the ads on the Metro)! Kiev is no exception to this rule.
On ground I have soon to go to Kiev (and later in Moscow and Kishnev) for a week I made lots of internet contacts getting pics and so on. Of course most are agencies, some are crazy, but the normal fees are in the area I said.
In Kiev you still find threeholer (I like the word!) pros for 350 USD/night… but most will ask you 400-500 grivnas/hour, and you have to go down. I just tested girls I did not like… I they ask 500 and you say 400 they almost agree immediately so… It’s obvious that the real price is around 300 or less (USD/night of course).
If you go out for students or, even better, for clerks or shop assistants you can go far lower. The price class will be 150/200$ night and/or 300$/24 hours. I’m going to Kiev with a friend so we rented two, brunette and blonde, 25-26 y.o. shop assistants, medium girls, let’s say 6.5 or so, doing all: lesbo show, BBBJ, CIM, anal etc… for 300 a day + some nice restaurant. So when I arrive I do not have to chase for pussy between working meetings (or may be at 2 am at RP or Arena), but I’ll find it directly in bed! In Kishnev I made agreements with two standard girls 21 y.o. and 22 for 100 € a day (but you have to take them to restaurant and some nice lifestyle, but you can fuck the brain out of them) and 150 USD is a normal salary there.
I rented Oksana plus Valeria (shop assistants if not wrong) some month ago at 300$/night + dinner for both… Not beauties, but they know what they do… the petite Valeria is cow girl... laying on you kissing and cuddling while Oksana is giving balls a tongue massage! Of course not stunners, but on ground they look like bit*** I like them: so whor** has to be whor**!!!
For instance I found even crazy subjects asking for 750 USD/night for a ugly, fat 31 y.o. in Kiev! A real dog… would not even fuck her for free!
Of course in Internet it takes time but on mamba, flirt, moslove (or whatever you call it the database is always the same) with some daily work you can find the right topics, but put in mind to spend 10-15 hours… or even more, in a week for two weeks before you get there, to have contacts and spare ones. One or two hours a day for getting good contacts… and avoiding the hidden agencies.
Even if the girls do not look openly on a sponosrhip or do not have the indication sex for money, most of them will accept to be sponsored in a fair way (look at the ones giving wide age indication or no age indication (for the partner I mean) at all. From 100 messages if you chose right you get 20/30 answers an at the end 10 will be fuckable at a right price.
Now I’m working on sponsor searching ones (most girls who do not put age limits are so even if not written), just one type 18-21 skinny and tiny… china bone white skin and pink pussy lips! I like the average next door student type let’s say in the ISG voting 6.5-7.5. Will take them to the flat I rent in Kiev and nail out their brain!!! I think to try to find the right one (or may be two) to sponsor for a long time. (a couple of years), on ground I’m progressively cutting my job to have more time. Will search for a teen (or two) for vacation. You might say why a 18-19 UA or RUS blondinka?
Several reasons but mostly three.
1 Why should you rent a 26-30 y.o. when you can get an 18-19? It’s like getting a used car or a new one!
2 I would like to go to vacations in nice sea resorts at least thrice a year, and when you wake up and see in the bed the body of this beautiful teen, you can just hold her wrists and use your best friend to wake her up! And when relaxing I love the taste of real teen pink… like only china bone white skinned Russian ones have! :p
3 When I’m on these vacations I really want a sex object (may be two!) not a girlfriend, to be used as it has to be used: for my pleasure, and it’s obvious that you have to pay for this. Of course I’ll still go with other girl types, like Inga, perfect for a two day full anal treatment, but not for sponsoring for a vacation!
By the way I’ll do the (she agreed but we have to take care of the period) second treatment of Inga… you will see the pics… soon I hope.
Understanding EE women is difficult, I do not even understand women from my country! Just two short episodes.
I start with Iriska (in Moscow) sponsored a couple of years ago and facialized happily (there are pics in the Moscow and Russia Photo section). She was offering her plus a girlfriend, but at that time I was not in Moscow. Now she is married (I did not know)… and I chatted via ICQ and she said I’m married… And I: who cares… still want to sponsor you (I was missing anal!). Noo she said, my husband… but we can meet in the afternoon for some hours, but no anal! And I answered No anal no money! The pig!
The other episode is even better. In Kiev I knew miss K. (do not want to put pics or name)… A nice dinner in a resturant, a nice dinner at my home and a nice fuck at my home: six hours of crazy sex. She is not a beauty, but exactly what I like 22/160/50, blondinka, she is not so skinny you might think, but a part of kilos are in two huge boobs: DD size! Done for free. She now is married too (since six months)! And told oooohh we can go out for a drink, not in the evening my husband is very jealous. And : ohh come and take the drink at me so nobody will see us…, yeha she said but I must be home around 8 pm. I answered why don’t you come for lunch? So she will come at 12… and probably be drilled in every hole up to the evening! And then go home to the new married husband! :p
EE and specially UA and RUS teens are unbelievable… they fuck like rabbits, so even if the price is higher I still prefer them.
IT
PS May be I’m wrong… but for sure you can’t find a nice teen, or very close to teen doing all sex you want for a day for approx 300 € in Western Europe…
Only if you're a chump.
Yes, I agree. You have to spend the local average wage per month in one day. This is the rule.So for Kiev it is 3200 gryvnia or 400 euro.
IT, how did you know she was a metro conductor? And such a long post and no mention of MT? Are you over her now? :)
Fox, I thought everyone knew Bez and I were the same person?
DJ, the foreign god effect was gone after 2003 in most major FSU cities. I was seriously considering going to the FSU in 1993 but instead moved back to the US from Europe. From talking to my credible buddies who were over their in the 90's the 'fuck me I'm American' stories are true. I think the good Doctor caught the end of that era.
AColonizer
11-07-08, 18:47
Ooohhh, at last, somebody doesn't talk about fairy tales and I agree about everything. At last, again, you have underlined the importance of price and the quality of sex. Unfortunately for us, happy days have gone forever. Remain to us the duty to keep price low for GFE sex.
Explorer69
11-07-08, 19:01
[QUOTE=It Travel]Of course in Internet it takes time but on mamba, flirt, moslove (or whatever you call it the database is always the same) with some daily work you can find the right topics, but put in mind to spend 10-15 hours… or even more, in a week for two weeks before you get there, to have contacts and spare ones. One or two hours a day for getting good contacts… and avoiding the hidden agencies.
Even if the girls do not look openly on a sponosrhip or do not have the indication sex for money, most of them will accept to be sponsored in a fair way (look at the ones giving wide age indication or no age indication (for the partner I mean) at all. From 100 messages if you chose right you get 20/30 answers an at the end 10 will be fuckable at a right price.
Now I’m working on sponsor searching ones (most girls who do not put age limits are so even if not written), just one type 18-21 skinny and tiny… china bone white skin and pink pussy lips! I like the average next door student type let’s say in the ISG voting 6.5-7.5. Will take them to the flat I rent in Kiev and nail out their brain!!! I think to try to find the right one (or may be two) to sponsor for a long time. (a couple of years), on ground I’m progressively cutting my job to have more time. Will search for a teen (or two) for vacation. /QUOTE]IT, what is your age? Obviously you have good success with teen girls, and I am just curious.
Practically the answer is in the title... I just pay them. In a way or another. Now in cash, when the situation was different with some lifestyle moments....
Of course I try to be well educated and polite and do not treat them like who***. Had no problems except MT stealing my Ikra! But she is out of business now.
I have no success with teens I just like them. Waking up and look at a naked perfect tiny body is without price!
Just for your information I'm a big man (tall and a little bit to heavy too) between 45 and 50 y.o. (but some, not the paid girls, say I look 38 or so). Even if I go to dinner with a who** I treat her like a lady. May be this is one of the key of success, on ground I got also some for free. Despite most Italians I speak fluently several languages, and basically at least seven. And this helps a lot. When you get nice university students (18-21) it’s important to fascinate them not with stupid things but with culture and talent. May be this is one of the reasons I got some young pigs in the bed ;) .
I think I answered your question? Otherwise write again…
IT
Sorry I forgot that I'm teen addicetd! :p :p :p laying with an 18teen or with a 35 y.o. makes a big difference!!! ;)
[QUOTE=It Travel]Of course in Internet it takes time but on mamba, flirt, moslove (or whatever you call it the database is always the same) with some daily work you can find the right topics, but put in mind to spend 10-15 hours… or even more, in a week for two weeks before you get there, to have contacts and spare ones. One or two hours a day for getting good contacts… and avoiding the hidden agencies.
Even if the girls do not look openly on a sponosrhip or do not have the indication sex for money, most of them will accept to be sponsored in a fair way (look at the ones giving wide age indication or no age indication (for the partner I mean) at all. From 100 messages if you chose right you get 20/30 answers an at the end 10 will be fuckable at a right price.
Now I’m working on sponsor searching ones (most girls who do not put age limits are so even if not written), just one type 18-21 skinny and tiny… china bone white skin and pink pussy lips! I like the average next door student type let’s say in the ISG voting 6.5-7.5. Will take them to the flat I rent in Kiev and nail out their brain!!! I think to try to find the right one (or may be two) to sponsor for a long time. (a couple of years), on ground I’m progressively cutting my job to have more time. Will search for a teen (or two) for vacation. /QUOTE]IT, what is your age? Obviously you have good success with teen girls, and I am just curious.
I did not know she was a metro conductor. She is not. The average salary of the metro conductor is just a sample, because it's well known. Now if I’m not wrong goes from 8.000 (when at conducting school) up to 23.000 when you are at the end of career: RUR/month of course!
No mention of MT... she is gone last access to her page http://flirt.com.ua/sweetmail-a5346/ (where 1/3 of pics are mine) on last Aug 8th… so…
It’s a pity because as lot knows here her BBBJ + CIM (when a little bit drunk) was nearly the state of the art… :p :p
Of course I could never imagine to take a such who*** to vacation. Too uneducated. Lol….ita was very very different, but she is gone too. Now I’m searching for a 18-21 y.o. to keep for some time as a sponsored vacation friend… (but I want a threeholer I like the word…)
By the way the good era is still on the way in deep Russia or Ukraine, where it’s not so difficult to get in bed for a night with a teen stunner for less than 150 USD… Unfortunately usually unskilled in BBBJ or other things…
By the way we have to find another MT for the Kiev Tourist Office! So she can greet people at Boryspol while queuing for the passport control… ah ah ah.
IT
PS now I’m concentrating more on younger ones, the last time (Ikra robbing apart) I already found the MT a little bit too old for my tastes… not that silky skin you expect from a Slavic teen. I tried to help her with facials :p :p but she was unhappy! (cum is full of ialuronic acid used in cosmetics...)
Only if you're a chump.
IT, how did you know she was a metro conductor? And such a long post and no mention of MT? Are you over her now? :)
Fox, I thought everyone knew Bez and I were the same person?
DJ, the foreign god effect was gone after 2003 in most major FSU cities. I was seriously considering going to the FSU in 1993 but instead moved back to the US from Europe. From talking to my credible buddies who were over their in the 90's the 'fuck me I'm American' stories are true. I think the good Doctor caught the end of that era.
DJ FourMoney
11-08-08, 10:39
Practically the answer is in the title... I just pay them. In a way or another. Now in cash, when the situation was different with some lifestyle moments....
Of course I try to be well educated and polite and do not treat them like who***. Had no problems if you except MT stealing my Ikra! But she is out of business now.
I have no success with teens I just like them. Waking up and look at a naked perfect tiny body is without price!
Just for your information I'm a big man (tall and a little bit to heavy too) between 45 and 50 y.o. (but some, not the paid girls, say I look 38 or so). Even if I go to dinner with a who** I treat her like a lady. May be this is one of the key of success, on ground I got also some for free. Despite most Italians I speak fluently several languages, and basically at least seven. And this helps a lot. When you get nice university students (18-21) it’s important to fascinate them not with stupid things but with culture and talent. May be this is one of the reasons I got some young pigs in the bed ;) .
I think I answered your question? Otherwise write again…
IT
Sorry I forgot that I'm teen addicetd! :p :p :p laying with an 18teen or with a 35 y.o. makes a big difference!!! ;)
[QUOTE=Explorer69]
Real Big Difference!
No fat, no winkles, no lines, no marks and with the typical diet EE girls have they tend to be really THIN (Doc knows a thing or two about paper thin girls).
I do admit to liking some weight though and Western European girls tend to have natural tits and asses (kinda like Brazil) that drive me nuts. Nobody has asses like Brazil does, its in the water or something.
But I love banging women around 110-115lbs (whatever that is in kg)
Your post kind gave me an idea next time I go to Europe, rent a girl for a couple of days and find some cheap beach spot. I know what you mean when you like to take these girls on vacation with you, what better excuse to make sure they take a bikini along or buy them one. Just like Doc likes buying them Hello Kitty booty shorts....
Doctor_Skank
11-08-08, 11:40
IT, how did you know she was a metro conductor? And such a long post and no mention of MT? Are you over her now? :)
And she told me she drove the tramvai!
The girl I talked too in RP wanted $250US for what I got for 100Euro in Germany and I'd say the FKK girl was better looking. Also 9 times out of 10 in Germany its an PSE or GFE if you take in the "signals" given too you
You're right in that on a strict quality to price comparison RP can't match any of the FKKs. But I suspect most Kiev regulars like the 'romance' of RP - being able to have a drink with the girl, connect with her, and most importantly, getting to take her back to one's lair. FKK is more obviously transactional.
Hyatt Regency concierge arrested in prostitution bust
Today, 09:37 | Ukrainian News
A concierge of the elite Hyatt Regency Hotel in Kyiv has been arrested on suspicion helping guests find women for prostitution, according to the Ministry of Interior Affairs.
The 21-year-old concierge worked in cooperation with four women who worked as prostitutes.
Clients were charged $500 per hour and $100 went to the concierge.
The concierge did not deny his involvement; on the contrary, he willingly told policemen about his business.
According to the concierge, guests of the hotel knew that the department of concierges is for the leisure of guests. They can learn from concierges about restaurants and places for entertainment, how to find girls and where, or get their phone numbers.
He said his managers were aware of the business of procuration of women.
Police have instituted a criminal case under part 2 of article 302 of the Criminal Code.
As Ukrainian News earlier reported, officers of the Kyiv department for crimes related to [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) on July 3 arrested a doorman of Premier Palace Hotel in Kyiv on suspicion of procuration of women.
The arrest was made by officers with the Kyiv department assigned to [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) crimes.
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$500 per hour???? Are the guests at that hotel out of their minds??? The guests are the ones who really should have been arrested, on a charge of gross criminal stupidity.
What hell shall they have a bikini for or even undies??? ;)
My standard is similar to Doc's one, even if I like also other types. Perfection is difficult to have but here you have a sample:
http://flirt.com.ua/kubrina2008/
look at the pics whe she was in some holiday... 21/160/42 red, white skin, freckles... could be 18/155/42... :p :p
By the way 110-115 is between (approx.) 50 and 52 kg depends on how tall they are for a real skinny one with this weight you have to go over 170 cm... Just for Info the well known MT is 165 approx and 45 kg... Lol...ita was 160 an probably 42-3 or so... :p
If you rent the girl two days, do not waste time in changing place, just fuck her where she is.. no flights no time waste! From 3/4 days up it's may be wort to take them somewhere else... knowing russian/ukranian an all inlusive resort in the middle of the desert would be perfect!
It
PS just now I'm negotiating with a non skinny one but... 18/175/65 blondinka.. D cups... white and soft... also that is nice...
[QUOTE=It Travel]
Real Big Difference!
No fat, no winkles, no lines, no marks and with the typical diet EE girls have they tend to be really THIN (Doc knows a thing or two about paper thin girls).
I do admit to liking some weight though and Western European girls tend to have natural tits and asses (kinda like Brazil) that drive me nuts. Nobody has asses like Brazil does, its in the water or something.
But I love banging women around 110-115lbs (whatever that is in kg)
Your post kind gave me an idea next time I go to Europe, rent a girl for a couple of days and find some cheap beach spot. I know what you mean when you like to take these girls on vacation with you, what better excuse to make sure they take a bikini along or buy them one. Just like Doc likes buying them Hello Kitty booty shorts....
They probably arrested him because he confused $$$ and Grivnas!!! :D :D :D
Otherwise they will arrest all the town, and the last policmen will be arrested by a babuska coming from nowhere and selling garlic and onions on K. street!
IT
Hyatt Regency concierge arrested in prostitution bust
Today, 09:37 | Ukrainian News
A concierge of the elite Hyatt Regency Hotel in Kyiv has been arrested on suspicion helping guests find women for prostitution, according to the Ministry of Interior Affairs.
The 21-year-old concierge worked in cooperation with four women who worked as prostitutes.
Clients were charged $500 per hour and $100 went to the concierge.
The concierge did not deny his involvement; on the contrary, he willingly told policemen about his business.
According to the concierge, guests of the hotel knew that the department of concierges is for the leisure of guests. They can learn from concierges about restaurants and places for entertainment, how to find girls and where, or get their phone numbers.
He said his managers were aware of the business of procuration of women.
Police have instituted a criminal case under part 2 of article 302 of the Criminal Code.
As Ukrainian News earlier reported, officers of the Kyiv department for crimes related to [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) on July 3 arrested a doorman of Premier Palace Hotel in Kyiv on suspicion of procuration of women.
The arrest was made by officers with the Kyiv department assigned to [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) crimes.
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$500 per hour???? Are the guests at that hotel out of their minds??? The guests are the ones who really should have been arrested, on a charge of gross criminal stupidity.
Doctor_Skank
11-08-08, 22:27
You're right in that on a strict quality to price comparison RP can't match any of the FKKs. But I suspect most Kiev regulars like the 'romance' of RP - being able to have a drink with the girl, connect with her, and most importantly, getting to take her back to one's lair. FKK is more obviously transactional.I like both FKK and EE take home girls... and I have been with some amazingly beautiful FKK girls from all over the world. A 21-year old blonde Sardinian chick, a 19-year old brunette fuckbunny with braces and a round-assed half-Brazilian sex pot come to mind... but despite the vibe and GFE you can get at FKK... the assembly line nature of the FKKs themselves are a bit of a buzzkill. For example the trash can full of tissues and used condoms next to the bed...
Doctor_Skank
11-08-08, 22:30
Hyatt Regency concierge arrested in prostitution bust
$500 per hour???? Are the guests at that hotel out of their minds??? The guests are the ones who really should have been arrested, on a charge of gross criminal stupidity.The price doesn't surprise me, it was the Hyatt. Rooms are about $500/ IIRC. You can imagine the clientel there.
A fool and his money are soon parted, but if the money flow is endless...
Its was on the TV two nights ago.
They are also having a clampdown on street hookers in Kiev.
Its showed them getting chased all over a park! a wonder to be seen!
Some actually didnt look too bad.............. now wheres my map ;)
I would say the guy at the hyatt was paying the management out of his cut, but the management forgot to pay the real management of Kiev.
Also whats happened is the change of power at the top is filtering through, so last year most of these things where run by the past PM's people, now theres a whole new management slowly comming into place, and these people need to now pay the new management not the old its a lack of comunication...... whats new in Ukraine????
LOL
But after this next election....... all change again.
if you don't like the government in Ukraine..... wait there will be another along in ten mins :o
The price doesn't surprise me, it was the Hyatt. Rooms are about $500/ IIRC. You can imagine the clientel there.
A fool and his money are soon parted, but if the money flow is endless...
I'm not surprised too... If you think that in some Hotels in Moscow (three stars) they ask for 250 $/hour but they are real dogs, close to 40, and at least 15 kg overweight!!! A girl in Hyatt must be nice at least, of course the guy forgot to pay who is controlling the market.
If you go deep in Internet in those non English speaking I still found young nice girls for 100 $ for some hours and 200 $ for a whole afternoon like 02.00 pm to 08.00 pm (then they have to go out with the boyfriend!). I'll post the pics of one of theese in the Photo section (i'll do it becuase she is public and searching for a sponsor).
In UA a girl in a organization of every 100 USD she gets probably between 30 and 40 gets in her pockets. So it's easy to understand that if an escort agency asks you for 800 USD/day (they go from 600 to 1.300 or even more!) you could get a nice teen freebie for 300-400/day. Of course she takes some risks!
IT
Doctor_Skank
11-09-08, 13:34
But after this next election....... all change again.
if you don't like the government in Ukraine..... wait there will be another along in ten mins :o10 minutes are up... and UShenko is still in power.
No guarantee that what comes after him is any better for us.
AColonizer
11-09-08, 13:37
Is anybody surprised by prostitutes' prices? . I always repeat about this, this is the reality, very few people pay for 350$ all night real sex and most people pay 100/150. 500$ per hour. Instead I am surprised by government politics on prostitution: is that possible Ukrainian government is more reliable than Italian government?
Bez Bezarra
11-09-08, 16:41
All Bez reports have been numbered 1371 for at least 3 years.
PLEASE EXPLAIN!!!
1371 is code for FSB link to Interpol database, to monitor all you other mongers for illegal activities, and for mind control hypnotic. These are the basic steps for all OMON operatives with top secret classified clearance to national security council files. Of course, that was after my service working as Deputy Chief at Spetsnaz, and liaison with Lubyanka burial detail.
You see, this is my real problem with the Chechens and their man Sabirzhin who was undercover as concierge at the Belgrade Hotel. You can read all about it in Izvestiya, in the Estonian bureau section, when my twin brother Rodian and his 3 bodyguards were found strapped in their Land Cruiser at the bottom of frozen Patriarch's Pond.
This is just an example of the hidden camera in the closet tape recordings used by ex-KGB, also known as VChK. They kept close watch on all Vorzh, since they don't pay income tax on black market, and the vory's connection to their inside men at Petrovka.
Galina, taking dictation:
Bez Bezarra
11-09-08, 17:38
I know she was a metro conductor.
The salary of metro conductor is well known.
8.000 RUR/month
By the good era is in deep Russia, to get in bed with a teen stunner for 150 USD
Usually unskilled in BBBJ or other
So if this is the conductor's salary, (8000 r = $320), then the ticket taker girl must be less than half of that? The short cute 19 year old sweet brunetka that freely and openly gave herself to me, after only one short conversation and a glass of fruit juice at the cafe across the street from my flat, on a late Tuesday afternoon, put me into orbit trying to perform some acrobatic sex acts while she grunted and gasped? Yes it was her.
But unskilled? I think that's up to question, as I have now asked many girls how they are so incredibly talented and seem to thoroughly enjoy performing fellatio, and they all say that the girls at the college dorm like to get a bottle of vodka or some beers, sit around and get drunk, and watch some porno video, where they very intently study porn queens deep throating and going to town on monster cocks. This seems to give them not only motivation and anticipation to get their own hot meat to suck on, but they get a big kick out of teasing and pleasing their sex partner, hence the big reason they seem to get into it much more so than their counterpart cold ugly greedy Western fat cows.
In the cold and sober light of day, its sometimes better to leave the shades drawn a bit, so I did not brighten this frame of Valya, my Estonian dyevochka who works at the fruit juice bar near the park, every day from 7:00 in morning to 10:00 at night. All that time standing around, she works up quite a lot of sexual energy, thinking about sex, singing about sex, talking about sex. When she got me up in my flat, we made small talk for only 3 minutes, and she tore my clothes off standing in the kitchen, and was quite ready to be drilled right there on the floor. What an interesting existence they lead, waiting around for something different and new to come along into their boring day to day routines, some spicy sausage to plunge into her waiting pizda.
Valya, dampened and dimmed:
10 minutes are up... and UShenko is still in power.
No guarantee that what comes after him is any better for us.
I do not think any one has a real power ther, they all need Russian energy.... or not?
IT
8000 RUR are nd 30% more in dollars, over 300...
Bye!!!
IT
So if this is the conductor's salary, (8000 r = $160), then the ticket taker girl must be only half of that? The short cute 19 year old sweet brunetka that freely and openly gave herself to me, after only one short conversation and a glass of fruit juice at the cafe across the street from my flat, on a late Tuesday afternoon, put me into orbit trying to perform some acrobatic sex acts while she grunted and gasped? Yes it was her.
But unskilled? I think that's up to question, as I have now asked many girls how they are so incredibly talented and seem to thoroughly enjoy performing fellatio, and they all say that the girls at the college dorm like to get a bottle of vodka or some beers, sit around and get drunk, and watch some porno video, where they very intently study porn queens deep throating and going to town on monster cocks. This seems to give them not only motivation and anticipation to get their own hot meat to suck on, but they get a big kick out of teasing and pleasing their sex partner, hence the big reason they seem to get into it much more so than their counterpart cold ugly greedy Western fat cows.
In the cold and sober light of day, its sometimes better to leave the shades drawn a bit, so I did not brighten this frame of Valya, my Estonian dyevochka who works at the fruit juice bar near the park, every day from 7:00 in morning to 10:00 at night. All that time standing around, she works up quite a lot of sexual energy, thinking about sex, singing about sex, talking about sex. When she got me up in my flat, we made small talk for only 3 minutes, and she tore my clothes off standing in the kitchen, and was quite ready to be drilled right there on the floor. What an interesting existence they lead, waiting around for something different and new to come along into their boring day to day routines, some spicy sausage to plunge into her waiting pizda.
Valya, dampened and dimmed:
I like both FKK and EE take home girls... and I have been with some amazingly beautiful FKK girls from all over the world. A 21-year old blonde Sardinian chick, a 19-year old brunette fuckbunny with braces and a round-assed half-Brazilian sex pot come to mind... but despite the vibe and GFE you can get at FKK... the assembly line nature of the FKKs themselves are a bit of a buzzkill. For example the trash can full of tissues and used condoms next to the bed...
A BLONDE Sardinian? Is there such a thing?
Yes, the production line aspect would kill the feeling for me. I personally need to sense that the girl I take home is 'mine' (and the good ones make me feel that :))
DJ FourMoney
11-10-08, 06:15
I like both FKK and EE take home girls... and I have been with some amazingly beautiful FKK girls from all over the world. A 21-year old blonde Sardinian chick, a 19-year old brunette fuckbunny with braces and a round-assed half-Brazilian sex pot come to mind... but despite the vibe and GFE you can get at FKK... the assembly line nature of the FKKs themselves are a bit of a buzzkill. For example the trash can full of tissues and used condoms next to the bed...
I only noticed that in the RLD in Frankfurt - ;)
Doctor_Skank
11-10-08, 07:41
I only noticed that in the RLD in Frankfurt - ;)You weren't looking very closely. Next to the bed. :)
Doctor_Skank
11-10-08, 07:44
A BLONDE Sardinian? Is there such a thing?
Yes, the production line aspect would kill the feeling for me. I personally need to sense that the girl I take home is 'mine' (and the good ones make me feel that :))I'm sure peroxide helped... but she was a 10 nonetheless. One of the very best ever I've had. In terms of actual fucking and BBBJ skill, FKK is nearly impossible to beat. Only problem is you can't have them in the comfort of your own home... drink/chat/cuddle with them.
It just isn't the same in the fuck factory atmosphere of a FKK.... but the actual fucking itself can be awesome.
I'm sure peroxide helped... but she was a 10 nonetheless. One of the very best ever I've had. In terms of actual fucking and BBBJ skill, FKK is nearly impossible to beat. Only problem is you can't have them in the comfort of your own home... drink/chat/cuddle with them.
It just isn't the same in the fuck factory atmosphere of a FKK.... but the actual fucking itself can be awesome.
Interesting discussion from members led by the good Doctor.
While not the most experienced Fkk'er by any means on the board, I have had my share and would comment. Picking up your FKK comments , Dr S:
In terms of actual fucking and BBBJ skill, FKK is nearly impossible to beat. Only problem is you can't have them in the comfort of your own home... drink/chat/cuddle with them.
It just isn't the same in the fuck factory atmosphere of a FKK.... but the actual fucking itself can be awesome.
can agree, however we need to get you to FKK land to experience (as it seems that you haven't made it yet) venues such as Bernd's near Koeln as opposed to the Frankfurt 3 - though they too have their charms..
Here, I believe that you will find not only " actual fucking and BBBJ skill," but all one could want in the areas of "drink/chat/cuddle with them.". Reconfirmed at Bernd's recently during the recent ISG Global mini-conference and the obserations of many mongers over the years.
And just so you don't feel too far out of your favorite stomping grounds, Katja, Tanja, Rita and Djarmila were in full force at Bernd's and were well used by ISG members as Laptops during the conference. The ladies being from Kaliningrad, Dneipro, Belorus and Kazahkastan respectively. Speaking of BBBJ skills, Ms Katja has been voted twice as Miss German Blow-Job Queen of the year by the German forums' mongers.
And of course, for IT Travel, there are anal practitioners in the house. ;-)
Highly recommended, Dr. S.
DJ FourMoney
11-10-08, 11:03
Interesting discussion from members led by the good Doctor.
While not the most experienced Fkk'er by any means on the board, I have had my share and would comment. Picking up your FKK comments , Dr S:
can agree, however we need to get you to FKK land to experience (as it seems that you haven't made it yet) venues such as Bernd's near Koeln as opposed to the Frankfurt 3 - though they too have their charms..
Here, I believe that you will find not only " actual fucking and BBBJ skill," but all one could want in the areas of "drink/chat/cuddle with them.". Reconfirmed at Bernd's recently during the recent ISG Global mini-conference and the obserations of many mongers over the years.
And just so you don't feel too far out of your favorite stomping grounds, Katja, Tanja, Rita and Djarmila were in full force at Bernd's and were well used by ISG members as Laptops during the conference. The ladies being from Kaliningrad, Dneipro, Belorus and Kazahkastan respectively. Speaking of BBBJ skills, Ms Katja has been voted twice as Miss German Blow-Job Queen of the year by the German forums' mongers.
And of course, for IT Travel, there are anal practitioners in the house. ;-)
Highly recommended, Dr. S.
When you say Frankfurt 3, surely you don't mean Palace, Oase and Miami*
*(I only kid about Miami eeek Pass, do not stop, skip one spot to Park Palace)
I am not experienced in FKK as most of you are, but my short visit to the suggested places, I can report nothing but bliss. There isn't much cuddling (though I did a bit with the German at Oase) but the rest of it is very GFE and I'll have to try your Bernd's suggestion Excess.
Doctor_Skank
11-10-08, 11:41
Interesting discussion from members led by the good Doctor.
While not the most experienced Fkk'er by any means on the board, I have had my share and would comment. Picking up your FKK comments , Dr S:
can agree, however we need to get you to FKK land to experience (as it seems that you haven't made it yet) venues such as Bernd's near Koeln as opposed to the Frankfurt 3 - though they too have their charms..
Here, I believe that you will find not only " actual fucking and BBBJ skill," but all one could want in the areas of "drink/chat/cuddle with them.". Reconfirmed at Bernd's recently during the recent ISG Global mini-conference and the obserations of many mongers over the years.
And just so you don't feel too far out of your favorite stomping grounds, Katja, Tanja, Rita and Djarmila were in full force at Bernd's and were well used by ISG members as Laptops during the conference. The ladies being from Kaliningrad, Dneipro, Belorus and Kazahkastan respectively. Speaking of BBBJ skills, Ms Katja has been voted twice as Miss German Blow-Job Queen of the year by the German forums' mongers.
And of course, for IT Travel, there are anal practitioners in the house. ;-)
Highly recommended, Dr. S.Thanks for the recommendation Excess!
Bernd's has been on the radar for a long time, as it comes highly touted as a GFE type place, as opposed to Palace, Oase and World which are more the fuck factories I refer to.
I've been to several FKKs and my experience has ranged from so-so to OMFG. Definitely recommended, but there is no denying that it is a fundamentally different experience than picking up a girl and taking her home for a few hours.
One is not inherently better than the other, but they are different.
Seems very strange to me too. Fucked some (I'm Italian) and there was always a big black bush :p :p If it's trimmed correctly, it's not bad!
BUT HERE WE ARE ON KIEV SECTION OF ISG NOT ON SARDINIAN!!!! :(
IT
A BLONDE Sardinian? Is there such a thing?
Yes, the production line aspect would kill the feeling for me. I personally need to sense that the girl I take home is 'mine' (and the good ones make me feel that :))
I'm often in Frankfurt....
so please PM me the name and adress (and may be the girl's names) of this heaven wher they do both BBBJ and Anal... with UA girls!!!!
IT
Interesting discussion from members led by the good Doctor.
While not the most experienced Fkk'er by any means on the board, I have had my share and would comment. Picking up your FKK comments , Dr S:
can agree, however we need to get you to FKK land to experience (as it seems that you haven't made it yet) venues such as Bernd's near Koeln as opposed to the Frankfurt 3 - though they too have their charms..
Here, I believe that you will find not only " actual fucking and BBBJ skill," but all one could want in the areas of "drink/chat/cuddle with them.". Reconfirmed at Bernd's recently during the recent ISG Global mini-conference and the obserations of many mongers over the years.
And just so you don't feel too far out of your favorite stomping grounds, Katja, Tanja, Rita and Djarmila were in full force at Bernd's and were well used by ISG members as Laptops during the conference. The ladies being from Kaliningrad, Dneipro, Belorus and Kazahkastan respectively. Speaking of BBBJ skills, Ms Katja has been voted twice as Miss German Blow-Job Queen of the year by the German forums' mongers.
And of course, for IT Travel, there are anal practitioners in the house. ;-)
Highly recommended, Dr. S.
Someone forgot to make his monthly payments. :)
I guess the boys at Kyiv Vice haven't heard about River Palace yet. I wonder how that salon right next to a police station has been able to be undetected after all these years. :)
A concierge of the elite Hyatt Regency Hotel in Kyiv has been arrested on suspicion helping guests find women for prostitution, according to the Ministry of Interior Affairs.
As Ukrainian News earlier reported, officers of the Kyiv department for crimes related to [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) on July 3 arrested a doorman of Premier Palace Hotel in Kyiv on suspicion of procuration of women.
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Thanks for the recommendation Excess!
One is not inherently better than the other, but they are different.
And are we not lucky to be able to enjoy both and indeed all ? It is really a wonderful life, if you don't take it too seriously !
Enjoy Doc.
E.
PS - IT Travel some suggestions coming to you later. ;-)
I wonder how that salon right next to a police station has been able to be undetected after all these years
Cos it's where the cops go to unload ;)
No, because they own it.
I think Kyiv Vice would make a good TV show. I'm going to pitch it the next time I'm in Kyiv. I'm thinking a cross between Miami Vice and Barney Miller.
Yeah dude I was just kidding.
QJump matey - would any of your properties currently be vacant? I was toying with the idea of chucking it all in for a while and spending a couple of months in K town. Anything to suggest? I was thinking say $60 per day for something decent & central etc. etc. BUT that would be the rate for 2 months' continuous occupation. Do you go that downmarket? :)
LifeSavour
11-13-08, 21:46
Yeah dude I was just kidding.
QJump matey. Would any of your properties currently be vacant? I was toying with the idea of chucking it all in for a while and spending a couple of months in K town. Anything to suggest? I was thinking say $60 per day for something decent & central etc. Etc. BUT that would be the rate for 2 months' continuous occupation. Do you go that downmarket? As I know, YOU tend to like the 'wine & dine' freebie approach. The Queens are in the center. Trust ME, YOU will do just fine in any other region.
In fact, you may DO better!
The attitude of girls about the center is rapidly changing. Nice pectopahs, good shops, even discos are popping up ALL over the outer regions.
Just my thoughts.
LS Guy
Having been out and about the left bank there are quite a few nice place. You just have less chance of running into someone who speaks english.
Ash, we do have them.... but at teh moment they are all rented... in fact i had to rent one myself this week when i went over there.
So I found myslef in Kiev for a night this week and after getting rid of a client really early, as he didn't drink as he had come from Indonesia.
I called a pal and we hooked up in Arena fro a couple of the home brews there the semi pros where out in force even as early as 8pm.... perhaps the credit crunch is making them work harder? any way we chatted to a few and i must admit there where three or four little student types and quite cute with it. But i was getting a little worse for wear and at about 11pm me an my pal jumped into a taxi to head home............
We where half way up Kreshatic when we looked at each other, decided it was not home time and we should at leat go have a look into River Palace, since i was here and all that ;)
So down to the river we went last time I was there was Feb so I expected a real change in faces, there where a few younger ones in, but so many of the same faces i had seen in Feb, perhaps I should leave it a year between visits so i forget them?
Any way drunk, and not really looking for a take out we parked ourselves at the bar and began the interviews, after say 2 hours and way way too many beers later a "pig" sorry I can not decribe her as anything else came over, opens with $200, I tell her I could not possible do a full night for $200 but perhaps an hour! she says great! i say you do realise you are paying me?
She says yes yes of course.... i sober up quickly, smile and say yes ok $200 and i am yours for 2 hours :)
She then tags on as we leave to get a cab. and follows me home, we are waiting for my taxi guy to arraive and she starts to complain that we should get a cab sat there I say no i will wait fro my taxi, she moans its cold, why so slow etc etc at this stage i am fully pissed off with this girl and think its time I let her come home and waste her time more since not only is she ugly she also has the attitude of a *****. when we get home she says ok before we start wheres my $200? I explain again that the agreement was her to pay me $200........ now I have a unhappy hooker in my rental and I kick her out the door......... shame really as i may have given her one had she paid me the $200 ;)
Why do i always come back from RP with another story? one day i will go there sober....perhaps the super bowl night, but i wont leave sober! :)
Q - you gotta admit, one way or another, you can ALWAYS have fun with a Ukrainian girl! Interesting attitude though - all girls think they are great looking and if a piggy has some hottie friends who are charging $200 she is damn well going to charge that too. Market forces? Bah.
As I know, YOU tend to like the 'wine & dine' freebie approach. The Queens are in the center. Trust ME, YOU will do just fine in any other region.
You may even SCREW better
The attitude of girls about the center is rapidly changing. Nice pectopahs, good shops, even discos are popping up ALL over the outer regions.
You have a point. I know Kiev is a huge sprawling city and the golden square mile in the centre has little to do with the rest of it. All my previous trips have been very short so I've tended to stay in the centre.
You mentioned Kalinka Malinka and Saxon a while back.. does the 'I American' approach still work there?
What kind of rents are we talking for something 'EVRO REMONT' in your neck of the woods?
Do the tsentr dyevs STILL have that princess attitude? I thought they might be a little more grateful for a trip to a nice pectopah, given that they now probably have to cut down on one meal a day to pay the rent!
Ash, i was in saxon a while back, full of ones like the one we met here in donetsk, the small dark one you took for dinner, I am sure you remember ;)
I remeber as I am still trying to spot her around, I will try to hit where you missed :)
Ash, are you sure you've ever been to the Ukraine? :)
It will be a long time in coming before the center princesses drop the attitude - something like the ruble crash of '98. Try a normal girl, leave the center girls to the professionals.
LifeSavour
11-16-08, 14:34
You mentioned Kalinka Malinka and Saxon a while back.. does the 'I American' approach still work there?
What kind of rents are we talking for something 'EVRO REMONT' in your neck of the woods?. Approach, I just show them my HUGE. Personality!
As far as Euro, a studio can be had for $800 depending of course on how close to a metro station.
Right now a 1 room, just normal repairs is still $600 at the lowest.
Check slando.com. Ua, I use google translate to see the pages in english.
Hope it helps?
LS
Ash, i was in saxon a while back, full of ones like the one we met here in donetsk, the small dark one you took for dinner, I am sure you remember ;)
I remeber as I am still trying to spot her around, I will try to hit where you missed :)
Oh, I remember all right :) How could I forget a cute little number like that? Good luck, I think she actually liked both of us! I had to pass up on that one due to lack of time as I was also chasing the tall blonde I met in Atlas bar. I returned a month later to close the deal. These short trips are bloody exhausting!
It will be a long time in coming before the center princesses drop the attitude - something like the ruble crash of '98. Try a normal girl, leave the center girls to the professionals
Cruiser, if by 'centre girls' you mean the sugar daddy hunting regulars of Barsky or Tsar, forget it, I don't go to the centre for girls like that. What I'm after is the village girl, the out of town gem making a foray into the centre that she can't really afford. You can always spot the type as her face will light up when you offer a $10 bottle of shampanskoye (yes, even now).
And not all sponsors are oligarchs. I'm sure a lot of them will be running businesses that will be affected by the downturn, and may have to drop their sponsorees from 10 to maybe just their favourite 3 :) But yes these bitches' attitude will be the last thing to change.
Doctor_Skank
11-16-08, 14:50
And not all sponsors are oligarchs. I'm sure a lot of them will be running businesses that will be affected by the downturn, and may have to drop their sponsorees from 10 to maybe just their favourite 3 :) But yes these bitches' attitude will be the last thing to change.If the economy tanks, which it almost certainly will, they'll change their attitude quick.
Interesting just listening to the tone of my regular contacts... none of the Russian girls I know are scared or commenting on the "krisis" (although they should be) but a significant number of the Ukrainians are.
I mean, it must suck to have a third of your salary cut overnight... from $300 a month to $200.... :)
I have a feeling attitudes will change quickly if things go to shit. Only problem is, the girls are much wiser and more savvy than they were a few years ago. Even in times of crisis, they now their value to men... especially horny Western, Turkish and Indian men.
Luckily there will be less foreign men traveling to the FSU now too. :)
LifeSavour
11-17-08, 05:05
I just chatted with an "on the ground" expert. There is no Econimic Crisis!
Lifesavour? 04:58 Hi there. You have quite a list of requirments! )
I have just 1. BBBJ? Do you know this slang?
? 05:14 Of course, but I think you should go to River Palace, I don't do 5 minute BBBJs. If you are interested in a class companion and can afford a few $1000 a month, then lets talk.
? 05:14 To answer your next question, Yes, I do swallow.
Lifesavour? 05:16 No, that was not my next? Ha)) And I do not go to RP! And I do like and have had a 'class' girlfriend. But for the $$ you are talking it has to be FULL. TIME! Only me!
Who do you live with now?
Lifesavour? 05:17 You know there is an ECONIMIC CRISIS here! ))
? 05:28 There is? I haven't noticed. My current Master has been recalled to the states at the end of the year, so I find myself in an position to find someone to replace him. I would go with him, but his wife would object, she doesn't like girls. I am well provided for as I deserve it, I do it all and much more. I live alone or with my lover, she fulfills my needs but I serve my Master when ever and for what ever required.
""" OK, so which one of you guys is going home? """
LS
Spent a few days in Kiev, went to RP arrived early so played in the Casino for a couple hours. Around 9:00p the ladies began arriving to the bar downstairs, many were very attractive. I landed up with a good looking lady, was unable to understand her name, we negotiated $150, plus 200Kiev for a return cab, Stayed at the Radisson, the secureity guy wanted 100Kiev to let the lady in. She had a great body, but was very mechanical, I was glad to see her leave.
The next day I visited a massage place http://www.bagira.com.ua/en/
they had a 2 lady deal called Tsumini for $140, it was about 1.5 hrs long, very memorable. They had a good choice of ladies, I choose Alla and Zloty, the whole massage was very symitrical, orchrasted. There was no sex just a tit release at the end.
Spent a few days in Kiev, went to RP arrived early so played in the Casino for a couple hours. Around 9:00p the ladies began arriving to the bar downstairs, many were very attractive. I landed up with a good looking lady, was unable to understand her name, we negotiated $150, plus 200Kiev for a return cab, Stayed at the Radisson, the secureity guy wanted 100Kiev to let the lady in. She had a great body, but was very mechanical, I was glad to see her leave.
The next day I visited a massage place http://www.bagira.com.ua/en/
they had a 2 lady deal called Tsumini for $140, it was about 1.5 hrs long, very memorable. They had a good choice of ladies, I choose Alla and Zloty, the whole massage was very symitrical, orchrasted. There was no sex just a tit release at the end.John, those photos look very sexy and glamorous.
Do you know, are they actual photos of the girls that work there or?
AColonizer
11-18-08, 11:55
I think all mongers can afford 1000$/month for a real sex slave.
This is the problem.
I never met girls for 1000$/month.
I never had real girlfriend sex, except one in Kiev.
6 months ago I went to River Palace with an Ukrainian man and I left that Ukrainian man negotiates with girls, and too many girls asked for 500 or 1000$ per night, for what? I am sure for very bad service.
I think 1000$/month is a very good price and if she makes much more than a man could imagine, that's a real deal!
But I have a doubt: if she knows River Palace, why does she ask just for 1000$/month instead of 1000$/night?
I just chatted with an "on the ground" expert. There is no Econimic Crisis!
Lifesavour? 04:58 Hi there. You have quite a list of requirments! )
I have just 1. BBBJ? Do you know this slang?
? 05:14 Of course, but I think you should go to River Palace, I don't do 5 minute BBBJs. If you are interested in a class companion and can afford a few $1000 a month, then lets talk.
? 05:14 To answer your next question, Yes, I do swallow.
Lifesavour? 05:16 No, that was not my next? Ha)) And I do not go to RP! And I do like and have had a 'class' girlfriend. But for the $$ you are talking it has to be FULL. TIME! Only me!
Who do you live with now?
Lifesavour? 05:17 You know there is an ECONIMIC CRISIS here! ))
? 05:28 There is? I haven't noticed. My current Master has been recalled to the states at the end of the year, so I find myself in an position to find someone to replace him. I would go with him, but his wife would object, she doesn't like girls. I am well provided for as I deserve it, I do it all and much more. I live alone or with my lover, she fulfills my needs but I serve my Master when ever and for what ever required.
""" OK, so which one of you guys is going home? """
LS
LifeSavour
11-18-08, 14:26
" .... a few $1000 a month"
Means more than 1!
She is thinking more like 3 or 4
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