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Bez Bezarra
05-05-09, 21:07
Guess I'm just still a tiny bit sore at one dyev from my trip.

Took her out for coffee, things got off to what seemed like a nice start. She was cute enough, but no model, but I liked her a lot, as she was short and skinny, a little dark, her family was from way out east somehwere, so she was kind of exotic too. I could tell she was a hard worker, and would have bent over backwards, literally, in bed, to get me off in a special way.

She texted me that night, about how happy she was that we met, and that she would be very happy to see me again, and soon. So I waited a day, for her to pursue me, and we met for lunch, which immediately started me wondering if she was just gonna take advantage of my generosity and not put out. After, we sat in the park talking, and I could see where this was heading, as she started questioning why I wasn't willing to buy her new shoes, or whatever else she wanted, BEFORE we got intimate.

I did my best to explain how I was ONLY interested to be with her and nobody else, so that if she wasn't ready yet, that I could wait for her, but that she would also have to wait for me to know we will be right for each other. So she agreed to come over the next night after work, to get the sponsorship going seriously, that is, a lot of fucking and sucking, which was all I had been thinking about since the first 'Ochin Priatna'.

But the next morning, instead of recognizing that she'd easily get whatever she wanted by simply giving up her little ass, she turned things upside down, and tried to accuse me of fucking her and ditching her, BEFORE we even did.

Claiming that I was just asking too much of her, she then turned things around again, and agreed to do anything I wanted, in exchange for one night in a hotel, for a payment of 50,000 rubles. I said to her, that all along, I told her that I only wanted her, because she was a GOOD girl, not a prosititute, and that by attaching a price to her pussy, all that did was make her the same as the streetwalking filthy tramps, because a price is still a price, if you sell what you got, you're all the same.

In the end, I'm better off that she got scared off and refused date #3, which according to you Doctor Skank, is the make it or break it rule, that if no sex by then, it'll NEVER happen, so I'm sure that's why she realized it was time to run, rather than face the dick thrashing I would have given her.

Bez Bezarra
05-05-09, 22:29
Ah ah what a laugh was my statistics.

When I meet a girl, I am unpolite and show shabbyness.

I what is a professional prostitute: I propose the same services and the same prices to all customers, and, above all, work with passion.



Privyet Huy Zhopa!

Perhaps your penchant for rectal exploration would be better served in a Proctoscopy Clinic as Headmaster for Anal Warts Defense Against the Dark Stools.

As far as your bizarro theories about prostitution ethical business standards of practice, there is NOTHING that relates in ANY way, that ALL customers get the same ANYTHING, whether its services, prices, performance, attitude, or anything else. Nothing don't mean shit to nobody, so take it or leave it, and if ya don't like it, you can literally go and fuck yourself way on up into your own pathetic ass.

In the mean time, maybe you'd like some cheese with all your whining, ya frickin' wierdo.

Irish Lad
05-06-09, 02:35
Yeah, help him find a plug adapter but don't help me get a can opener...be like that! :PYou need a can opener? She's THAT tight? Coooooool)

Qjump
05-06-09, 04:26
Don't know about their eating preferences but it looks canibalism is thing that occurs in Ukraine form time to time, last year being one of the more productive to say so. With three cases in cities Makeevka, Kransny Luch and Gorlovka. All three places are in Donbass, very close to each other so maybe it means something. Those of you who are frequent there pay attention maybe there's somebody walking behind you checking the quality of your meat he he.


Kurenda, I have no idea about cannibals in Donbas, but I have for sure met plenty of meat eating girls here, not to mention the odd sword swallower!

AColonizer
05-06-09, 20:35
Never met girls who show you a pricelist before a session? Anyway, I mean, I pay and you do your best to satisfy me, otherwise you return a part or total of my amount, we remain friends and you will do better next time: this is a market rule.

Above all, you called "ethical", the world is so shitty because too many people have no "ethical". In fact, you don't want "ethical" and you are the product of my colon.


Privyet Huy Zhopa!

Perhaps your penchant for rectal exploration would be better served in a Proctoscopy Clinic as Headmaster for Anal Warts Defense Against the Dark Stools.

As far as your bizarro theories about prostitution ethical business standards of practice, there is NOTHING that relates in ANY way, that ALL customers get the same ANYTHING, whether its services, prices, performance, attitude, or anything else. Nothing don't mean shit to nobody, so take it or leave it, and if ya don't like it, you can literally go and fuck yourself way on up into your own pathetic ass.

In the mean time, maybe you'd like some cheese with all your whining, ya frickin' wierdo.

Gergiev
05-07-09, 02:58
Don't know about their eating preferences but it looks canibalism is thing that occurs in Ukraine form time to time, last year being one of the more productive to say so. With three cases in cities Makeevka, Kransny Luch and Gorlovka. All three places are in Donbass, very close to each other so maybe it means something. Those of you who are frequent there pay attention maybe there's somebody walking behind you checking the quality of your meat he he.

Memo to Bez:

Better watch your back out there in the sticks, old boy...

Bez Bezarra
05-07-09, 03:45
Memo to Bez:

Better watch your back out there in the sticks, old boy...

Maybe YOU should be washing your stick in the outback, sonny boy...

I'll be watching this for a little cannibalism.....

Brian Moloney
05-07-09, 06:07
Maybe YOU should be washing your stick in the outback, sonny boy...

I'll be watching this for a little cannibalism.....
Bez you know how old I am. stop trying to give me a heart attack.. I just change my ticket I will be in Kiev at the end of May around the 25th. I am finish my business deal now. If I keep looking at your pics I will SURELY die of a heart attack that PIC is TOOOOOO GOOD.. Lord have mercy . I am going to go and take a COLD shower. I hope it works. Now thats a 10+++ I am so envious, I hope you left a few for me and Blake095... Thanks for the BEAUTIFUL PHOTOGRAPH...

Bez Bezarra
05-07-09, 23:24
Dude, you need a xanax!

That foto quality is half trash, its out of focus and the light's ALL wrong!

Sure she had a fanatastic ass that I ate out big time, in fact, she was so totally into anal sex that I skipped pussy fucking and went straight for the butt lovin'. As I recall, she was one of the first girls I ever got in bed on my arrival to Kiev, it was set up by a friend of my friend, and through the internet no less. My friend knew I was looking for a skinny amateur university student, so he asked his friend about a week before my arrival to start looking, and he found this Svetlana who was ready to meet her first American businessman. She showed up at my apartment on my first afternoon, and was only asking $120 for about 4 hours bez nye magoo, that is, no matter what I asked for, she was not gonna say no to anything, EXCEPT fotos of her face.

After all, my friend DID find her on the internet, so it was impossible to convince her that I would never put her fotos up on the web.

Well, here's a slightly better angle of Sveta's tush, and a very blurry shot of the polish tag team in a moment of spanking humor.

Hope ya have as much fun as they did.

Blaked
05-10-09, 06:17
$120 for 4 hours with a university student is a good deal... Maloney and I have been looking for brothels but we've only been able to find outcall on the Ukrainian sites and love.mail.ru.




Dude, you need a xanax!

That foto quality is half trash, its out of focus and the light's ALL wrong!

Sure she had a fanatastic ass that I ate out big time, in fact, she was so totally into anal sex that I skipped pussy fucking and went straight for the butt lovin'. As I recall, she was one of the first girls I ever got in bed on my arrival to Kiev, it was set up by a friend of my friend, and through the internet no less. My friend knew I was looking for a skinny amateur university student, so he asked his friend about a week before my arrival to start looking, and he found this Svetlana who was ready to meet her first American businessman. She showed up at my apartment on my first afternoon, and was only asking $120 for about 4 hours bez nye magoo, that is, no matter what I asked for, she was not gonna say no to anything, EXCEPT fotos of her face.

After all, my friend DID find her on the internet, so it was impossible to convince her that I would never put her fotos up on the web.

Well, here's a slightly better angle of Sveta's tush, and a very blurry shot of the polish tag team in a moment of spanking humor.

Hope ya have as much fun as they did.

Bez Bezarra
05-10-09, 15:34
$120 for 4 hours with a university student is a good deal...



That was back in 2004...

Now if you're gonna say it was too much, remember she was just 18 and very new to the dating scene, so....:)

Cruiser D
05-11-09, 00:50
Blaked, there has to literally be 100 or so brothels in Kyiv center. You aren't looking hard enough. :)

Brian Moloney
05-11-09, 01:02
Blaked, there has to literally be 100 or so brothels in Kyiv center. You aren't looking hard enough. :)
Kiev is NEW to me. been through their briefly back in the days long ago. I was in Odessa mainly Sevostopole back in 1991 .Stay their 9 months. They were the WILD WILD WEST DAYS. especially Odessa. Their WERE NOT any ATM machines when I was in the Crimea. Had to go to EXIM banks to get money from credit card. Kind of scary really, give passport to POLICE GUARDS with machine guns and they escorted me to bottom stairs of the bank,follow me and I gave my credit card to a BEAUTIFULL LOOKING bank lady and she ran it through a machine.. Same thing in Kiev when I was their back then, if their were any ATMs in Kiev I could NOT find them. Yes those were the days back then. I did NOT participate in the P4P back then, wish I had.. I am sure my bro Blake will SNIFF things out, he is a horny toad. hehehehehe

AColonizer
05-11-09, 13:30
Good question! I and my friends and a pseudo sex tour agency have found just few advertisements about "brothels".

There is a famous brothel in shota rustaveli near basseina uliza and in general some strip clubs and massage salons are "brothels".

But where can we find information about the real brothels for local customers?


Blaked, there has to literally be 100 or so brothels in Kyiv center. You aren't looking hard enough. :)

Gentleman Travel
05-11-09, 15:16
Blake and I are going to Kiev for 1 month. Then he wants to go to the Dombass region Donestk and Lugunst.. He has book a tour believe it or NOT to chernoble. Says their is pussy there NOT hard to find at night because they GLOW in the dark. hehehe No bullshit aside they have tours to chernoble honest NO bull. well thats a must for me, Go where NO man or tourist wants to go. There must be some women there??? I have moved this discussion over from the Russia - Photo thread to Kyiv, where it makes a little more sense.

Brian, by all means to on a Chernobyl tour, if apocalyptic wastelands are your thinng. I went there a few years ago and certainly it was interesting and frightening when you look not just at the devastation of the accident, but at the ghastly legacy of nuclear power in general. Chernobyl is a site employing thousands of people to produce NO power, and will continue to operate like that for the forseeable future.

However I was there on the company's dime doing business and am not sure I would bother if paying my own way. Certainly there are no mongering possibilities at Chernobyl itself. You travel there (as do all the workers) by train across the Exclusion Zone from Slavutich, a worker's village about 30 km away. Doubt there is much mongering to be done there either, especially if you don't speak Russian. All the women I saw were ugly and the bar/restaurant I went to was pathetic.

Although maybe really hard core small-centre mongers like Bez might find it fruitful - but even then I doubt it. Because even as bleak as Chernobyl and Slavutich are, people there are relatively well off, economically, compared with other Ukrainian wastelands.

My day spent going to Chernobyl was the only day I DID NOT get laid in Ukraine - that is a pretty bleak Exclusion Zone!!!

Kurenda
05-11-09, 16:54
Chernobyl for "tourists" tour is done from Kiev.

Going from Slavutich by train means that train passes thorugh territory of Belarus. It mostly means that you must have belarus visa or permition from government in Minsk. Exclusion zone in Belarus called the "land of wolfes" is much different since it was territory of Belarus who got the most part of the radiation.

Slavutich is hard to call worker's village since it's town with population of about 30 000. Also it is the town with the youngest population in Ukraine and we know what it means. Yes mongering is possible but it will take more than money since there people have it statisticaly more than in Kiev. Also there is small town mentality so girls are trying to keep their good reputation.

Basically mongering in this (very) small places in Ukraine is possible but any foreigner there will be treated as "marriage material" by locals. I was in ukrainian town with population of 13 000 and everyday I was asked by people "you still didn't find a wife here, what are you waiting for?"

SlutLover
05-11-09, 23:06
Has anyone tried them?

Bez Bezarra
05-12-09, 11:47
Blaked, there has to literally be 100 brothels in Kyiv center.

You aren't looking hard enough.



We've had THIS debate before, except that you weren't able to help me out with even one location or number, or even how to find them by looking on the internet, or the newspapers, so obviously these 100 brothels are not there for tourists, because otherwise there would be SOME way to find them all, or even ANY of them.

So if they are for the locals, there would STILL be SOME way to find them on the internet or in the newspapers, so WHY isn't there?

Gentleman Travel
05-12-09, 13:08
Chernobyl for "tourists" tour is done from Kiev.
Going from Slavutich by train means that train passes thorugh territory of Belarus. It mostly means that you must have belarus visa or permition from government in Minsk. Exclusion zone in Belarus called the "land of wolfes" is much different since it was territory of Belarus who got the most part of the radiation.
Yes the rail line passes through Belarus, but NO you do not need a visa.
I don't think there is any station stop in Belarus. No Belarussian border patrol guys roam through the train checking your papers.
So you do get to claim to having "been to Belarus" without ever actually having set foot on the ground.

I was however cautioned to turn off my cell phone as we went through that territory, I guess so I wouldn't get hit with roaming charges in Belarussia!

Brian Moloney
05-12-09, 15:21
We've had THIS debate before, except that you weren't able to help me out with even one location or number, or even how to find them by looking on the internet, or the newspapers, so obviously these 100 brothels are not there for tourists, because otherwise there would be SOME way to find them all, or even ANY of them.

So if they are for the locals, there would STILL be SOME way to find them on the internet or in the newspapers, so WHY isn't there?
Just off topic Bez when I first went to Saint Pete I was staying in the OLD part of town, The Hotel was call the Eurasia Hotel. Well I went looking for ladies of the night, at 2;00AM in the morning. Of course I could not find any. A Milita Police (Grey Dog)pull me over and ask questions in Russian (Which I didnt understand) He search my papers and took ALL my US money leaving me the Rubles. He took about $150.00 US.. Handing me back my wallet and said you go. I KNEW the cocksucker could speak english then.. I walk up to him and said "If you want to EARN another $100.00 with that buck and a half you LIBERATED from me take me to a ***** HOUSE.. He took me to 2 brothels that night and when I was finish my business he actually sat and waited for me each time in the Brothel.. Driving me around in a Lada cop car. I use his service for about 5 days.. I gave him $100.00US @night to take me to the Brothels. He was a BAG man I seen him get money from the mabushka. Grey dog SMART. On a police salary, works for a Gentlemans club, and got paid from me. Capitalisim didnt take long to catch on in Rossiya. His name was Sergi and he said these are private brothels (kind a like a speak easy back in proabition days from what I gather). So I guess the Private Brothels are out there alright in Kiev Ukraine, but you have to know some one or have deep pockets. Being that I am a foreigner and didnt speak a word of Russian , He was my ONLY option and thank God I met him. Funny how things turn out in life. As I sson found out ANYTHING is possible in Ukraine and Russia. It just takes $$$$$$$

Blaked
05-12-09, 17:21
I just went to the biggest search engine in Ukraine - bigmir.net - and typed in 'dosug' which gave me some links to some sites with *****s. From there I got more words to plug into the search engine - like 'Проститутки Киева' (prostitutes in/of Kiev) which gave me even more such sites. Granted that most of what I got were individuals (individualki) and not 'salons' (salon is the industry word for brothel) - ads will typically say things like: We are speak English!!! НЕ САЛОН!!!

Here's a typical site with girls that I found:
http://intimgirls.kiev.ua/



We've had THIS debate before, except that you weren't able to help me out with even one location or number, or even how to find them by looking on the internet, or the newspapers, so obviously these 100 brothels are not there for tourists, because otherwise there would be SOME way to find them all, or even ANY of them.

So if they are for the locals, there would STILL be SOME way to find them on the internet or in the newspapers, so WHY isn't there?

Bez Bezarra
05-12-09, 18:22
Sure there's lots of mobile numbers, but when you start calling them, they are not gonna lead to any of cruiser's 100 central brothels, so....

Brian Moloney
05-12-09, 19:22
Sure there's lots of mobile numbers, but when you start calling them, they are not gonna lead to any of cruiser's 100 central brothels, so....
I will search HIGH and LOW under bridges to the highest towers train stations River Palace what ever it tajkes.. I will HUNT down MYSTERY TRAMP and when I do I will GLADLY PAY HER for you... Kiev isnt that BIG I am sure some one can point her out some where. The Chernoble tour for sure thats a done deal. If I can get MYSTERY TRAMP for you Blake then it will be complete.

Mustiqueblue
05-12-09, 21:56
There is a famous brothel in shota rustaveli near basseina uliza and in general some strip clubs and massage salons are "brothels".

Could you please give me some more info to find that brothel in Shota Rustaveli? (street number, brothel name, neon signs?)

I'll be in Kiev next weeks and I'd like to visit a brothel in downtown (that one would be near my hotel).

Thanks in advance!

Gergiev
05-13-09, 04:14
Certainly there are no mongering possibilities at Chernobyl itself. You travel there (as do all the workers) by train across the Exclusion Zone from Slavutich, a worker's village about 30 km away. Doubt there is much mongering to be done there either, especially if you don't speak Russian. All the women I saw were ugly and the bar/restaurant I went to was pathetic.

Although maybe really hard core small-centre mongers like Bez might find it fruitful - but even then I doubt it.

Even Bez couoldn't get laid in Prypyat...

AColonizer
05-13-09, 09:14
For everybody, I have already explained exactly how the system works at the Moscow thread, please read that and you will save a lot of time and money.

Before of all, in Kiev and in Moscow, "brothels" are flats with some prostitutes, you don't expect nothing special, just women looking for hens to be plucked.

About Shota Rustaveli, I don't remember the street address, I can get there by foot, anyway before it is necessary to phone, and phone numbers change periodically.

For your convenience, all advertisements with "no outcall" are "brothels", all individuals with "no outcall" are "brothels".

I strongly suggest to get there only with one or more friends together, never alone, otherwise you will be alone against at least three women plus their bodyguard.

An important trick: if a prostitute gives your money to another person, then you are sure for 90% she doesn't comply to the agreement, and you can't ask for a money refund if she doesn't comply to the agreement, because your money has disappeared in a place unknown by you.

Anyway, Kiev is a nice city to live in all its forms, not only about prostitutes. I have got nice memories about freebies in restaurants and beaches on the river.

Dealing with prostitutes, all kind of prostitutes, is a "dirty" game, where the market rules are at the extreme, no mercy for losers.


Could you please give me some more info to find that brothel in Shota Rustaveli? (street number, brothel name, neon signs?)

I'll be in Kiev next weeks and I'd like to visit a brothel in downtown (that one would be near my hotel).

Thanks in advance!

Kurenda
05-13-09, 16:27
Gergiev it's hard to get laid in Prypyat since no people lives there.

But it's no impossible.

I scored with a girl from Switzerland, student who came to Prypyat to study the albino swallows. Which seems to be one of the rare visual aftermaths of radiation.

We went to the same scientific tour to Prypyat and one thing lead to another with wild nights at "Prydesnyanskiy" hotel in Chernigov.

Blaked
05-14-09, 02:18
d00d if a girl takes your money and then doesn't want to 'comply', you just [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her. then if she throws a fit, the brothel calls the police and she gets escorted out of the building. that's just the way they roll here. if a hobag claims she's 'raped', the organization and the cops laugh at her. i saw it happen at moskvich near paveletskaya metro in moscow (you can find their info at dosug.nu). that was actually a funny experience. i walked past two cops into the door of the brothel, went to the living room area, sat down, then thought 'fuck...what did i just do?'

to be honest, i'm surprised that some outcall bitches get away with not having sex in the us. that's when you have a friend come over and hold her down and go to town. people don't seem to understand the concept of illegality vs. litigation. it isn't whether or not something is legal, it's whether or not you'll actually go to trial because of it. i have never once in my life heard of an outcall 'massage therapist' taking anyone to court for [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). at worst, they'd get blacklisted by the agency, which would be more likely than not to just tell the ***** to just spread her skankmeat and get to work.


for everybody, i have already explained exactly how the system works at the moscow thread, please read that and you will save a lot of time and money.

before of all, in kiev and in moscow, "brothels" are flats with some prostitutes, you don't expect nothing special, just women looking for hens to be plucked.

about shota rustaveli, i don't remember the street address, i can get there by foot, anyway before it is necessary to phone, and phone numbers change periodically.

for your convenience, all advertisements with "no outcall" are "brothels", all individuals with "no outcall" are "brothels".

i strongly suggest to get there only with one or more friends together, never alone, otherwise you will be alone against at least three women plus their bodyguard.

an important trick: if a prostitute gives your money to another person, then you are sure for 90% she doesn't comply to the agreement, and you can't ask for a money refund if she doesn't comply to the agreement, because your money has disappeared in a place unknown by you.

anyway, kiev is a nice city to live in all its forms, not only about prostitutes. i have got nice memories about freebies in restaurants and beaches on the river.

dealing with prostitutes, all kind of prostitutes, is a "dirty" game, where the market rules are at the extreme, no mercy for losers.

Brian Moloney
05-14-09, 02:53
d00d if a girl takes your money and then doesn't want to 'comply', you just [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her. then if she throws a fit, the brothel calls the police and she gets escorted out of the building. that's just the way they roll here. if a hobag claims she's 'raped', the organization and the cops laugh at her. i saw it happen at moskvich near paveletskaya metro in moscow (you can find their info at dosug.nu). that was actually a funny experience. i walked past two cops into the door of the brothel, went to the living room area, sat down, then thought 'fuck...what did i just do?'

to be honest, i'm surprised that some outcall bitches get away with not having sex in the us. that's when you have a friend come over and hold her down and go to town. people don't seem to understand the concept of illegality vs. litigation. it isn't whether or not something is legal, it's whether or not you'll actually go to trial because of it. i have never once in my life heard of an outcall 'massage therapist' taking anyone to court for [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). at worst, they'd get blacklisted by the agency, which would be more likely than not to just tell the ***** to just spread her skankmeat and get to work.
blake all the many brothels we went to in mocba the girl always gives the money to the mabushka.. the only place where i seen the girls keep the money was at charmels.. and thats the place i had trouble in. i pick the tall burnette and you chose the short blonde. as i got dress and walk out [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off remember the blonde came to me and pleaded beg that i stay. after she seen my mr. universe body hehehehe .. you obviously didnt do your job that night, because the $100.00us was a tip i put down before anything happen she thought thats all what i was going to pay her for the hour!!! that was just the tip. the girls said all payments in rubles.. after you explain to the burnette, that was just a tip before anything was to happen. she sulk and was [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off. but you took them both for the hour as i walk to the book store and waited for you. and i know you didnt leave any tip. but you more than made up for your lack of professionlisam (not doing your job!!!) because we flew to saratov the next day,and you let me have the 16 year old first time virgin kazzy. she said she was 17 .. i was her first ever customer. you know that is true because her best friend told you. when you told me how old she was i took off the next day, and got lucky with the billet collector on the train to mordorvia. hehehehehe

Blaked
05-14-09, 10:28
Ok Kazzy wasn't a virgin - it was her first day on the job, and she told us she was 18. According to the wizard of Tunbridge Wells, real live virgins in that part of the world cost about 10 thousand in 2005, and are offered to the agency's favorite clients and/or friends. But the real LIAR that day was YOU, who said that the condom that I bought BROKE when in fact you whipped it off so that you could provide that tightlittlecunt with some cream filling. And then there was Anya, who had a cold sore. My condom DID break because, let's face it, they were cheap rubbers, and I had her knees pegged to her chest so as to prevent direct contact with the sore. These pictures were taken several months later when I had the girls visit Moscow, where sackofshit-Dixie claims (dubiously) to have hooked up with Anya.



Blake ALL the many brothels WE went to in Mocba the girl always GIVEs the money to the mabushka.. The only place where I seen the girls KEEP the money was at Charmels.. And thats the PLACE I had TROUBLE in. I pick the TALL Burnette and you chose the short blonde. As I got dress and walk out [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) OFF remember the Blonde came to me and pleaded beg that I stay. After she seen my Mr. Universe body hehehehe .. You obviously didnt do your JOB that night, because the $100.00US was a tip I put down before anything happen She thought Thats all what I was going to pay her for the hour!!! That was just the tip. The girls said ALL payments in Rubles.. After you EXPLAIN to the burnette, that was just a tip before anything was to happen. She sulk and was [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off. But you took them both for the hour as I walk to the Book store and waited for you. And I KNOW you didnt leave any tip. But you MORE than made up for your lack of professionlisam (Not doing your job!!!) Because we flew to Saratov the next day,and you let me have the 16 year old FIRST TIME VIRGIN Kazzy. She said she was 17 .. I was her FIRST ever customer. You know that is TRUE because her best friend told you. When you told me how old she was I took off the next day, and got lucky with the Billet collector on the train to Mordorvia. hehehehehe

Brian Moloney
05-14-09, 12:35
Ok Kazzy wasn't a virgin - it was her first day on the job, and she told us she was 18. According to the wizard of Tunbridge Wells, real live virgins in that part of the world cost about 10 thousand in 2005, and are offered to the agency's favorite clients and/or friends. But the real LIAR that day was YOU, who said that the condom that I bought BROKE when in fact you whipped it off so that you could provide that tightlittlecunt with some cream filling. And then there was Anya, who had a cold sore. My condom DID break because, let's face it, they were cheap rubbers, and I had her knees pegged to her chest so as to prevent direct contact with the sore. These pictures were taken several months later when I had the girls visit Moscow, where sackofshit-Dixie claims (dubiously) to have hooked up with Anya.
Bro It wasnt my fault the CONDOMS you purchase were the CHEAP Kind and my BROKE!!! he he he he he he Ok, I lied hehehehehe Blake that picture you took of Kazzy,her wearing that nice dress, the one were she is walking, That shows WHAT a beautifull looking woman that she is. She didnt look like that the night I got her. hehehehe .. What a pair of tits she had WHAT a body!!!! Now thats NO LIE!!!!

AColonizer
05-14-09, 13:38
oh mamma mia, you are so right! unfortunately, it is not so easy, over around the world!

you said "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her", everybody knows it is no possible to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) a prostitute because she is very used to have [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124), real or fake. anyway, gentlemen never [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) anybody and they prefer to lose (a little) money.

but, for example, please remember this example, if you come to italy, you meet a prostitute, you agree an agreement, you pay the prostitute, and she doesn't comply to the agreement, you blame, she replies "i kill you", you try to take your money back, she phones police, police take you to jail immediately, you await for the judge in jail for some days, your money has disappeared and your life too!

in this way, there is much more crime in italy than romania or russia, customers (and gentlemen like me) are considered just hens to be plucked or savage criminals, while police fuck prostitutes for free and they protect the drug market connected to the sex market in italy.

at last, italian wives seldom fuck their husbands and, the opposite, they stress their husbands and husbands need to download their stress with sadic perversions as, for example, multiple vaginal and anal fistings to young prostitutes who could be their daughters. now you know the real situation in italy, the homeland of catholicism.


d00d if a girl takes your money and then doesn't want to 'comply', you just [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her. then if she throws a fit, the brothel calls the police and she gets escorted out of the building. that's just the way they roll here. if a hobag claims she's 'raped', the organization and the cops laugh at her. i saw it happen at moskvich near paveletskaya metro in moscow (you can find their info at dosug.nu). that was actually a funny experience. i walked past two cops into the door of the brothel, went to the living room area, sat down, then thought 'fuck...what did i just do?'

to be honest, i'm surprised that some outcall bitches get away with not having sex in the us. that's when you have a friend come over and hold her down and go to town. people don't seem to understand the concept of illegality vs. litigation. it isn't whether or not something is legal, it's whether or not you'll actually go to trial because of it. i have never once in my life heard of an outcall 'massage therapist' taking anyone to court for [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). at worst, they'd get blacklisted by the agency, which would be more likely than not to just tell the ***** to just spread her skankmeat and get to work.

Kurenda
05-14-09, 15:44
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Blaked
05-15-09, 06:31
you people are much different from russia in a way that i respect. i don't know if you're from the north or from the south (it's common to praise the northern italians and poo-poo the two sicilies but... whatever, they both have their merits) but wherever you're from in italy, your people don't allow themselves to be easily subjugated. italy's the kind of place where if someone touches your sister in a way you don't like, you get your buddies together, hold him down and cut off his hand, and then insist that he thank you for your grandmotherly kindness. that's just not the way it works in rossiya/ukraine. generally speaking, east slavs are cowards and escapists that are more likely to rely on authorities than to stand up to authoritarianism and don't back up their own people.

my mother's mother married a belarusian, but she herself was from louisiana and had moved to north carolina following her high school graduation. one night in greenville, north carolina in the late 30's, her and several friends were returning from a social event. a black man approached them, and one of her friends asked what he wanted. "i show you what i want" he replied, and assaulted the three of them badly enough to put her and her male friend in the hospital. later that night, her 'people' got together, and by the next morning, three black men that fit the general description of the assailant had been murdered. i assume that if such a thing happened in russia, the victims would be blamed for not taking a taxi.

i heard an apocryphal story about a prostitute here in moscow going to the police to report that she had been abducted by criminals and forced into prostitution, and the police tore up her passport in front of her and laughed at her for being a silly worthless girl from a village. if that had happened in columbia, she would have returned to her village and her brothers would have ventured to the city to firebomb the police station. i've heard several stories about prostitutes being gang raped by ten or more guys - one girl i knew personally was held to the floor of an army barracks and raped by a dozen soldiers. not only is there nothing that these girls can do, but nothing is expected. this aspect of their temperament is why, at the end of the day, [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) exploded in the 90's.



oh mamma mia, you are so right! unfortunately, it is not so easy, over around the world!

you said "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her", everybody knows it is no possible to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) a prostitute because she is very used to have [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124), real or fake. anyway, gentlemen never [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) anybody and they prefer to lose (a little) money.

but, for example, please remember this example, if you come to italy, you meet a prostitute, you agree an agreement, you pay the prostitute, and she doesn't comply to the agreement, you blame, she replies "i kill you", you try to take your money back, she phones police, police take you to jail immediately, you await for the judge in jail for some days, your money has disappeared and your life too!

in this way, there is much more crime in italy than romania or russia, customers (and gentlemen like me) are considered just hens to be plucked or savage criminals, while police fuck prostitutes for free and they protect the drug market connected to the sex market in italy.

at last, italian wives seldom fuck their husbands and, the opposite, they stress their husbands and husbands need to download their stress with sadic perversions as, for example, multiple vaginal and anal fistings to young prostitutes who could be their daughters. now you know the real situation in italy, the homeland of catholicism.

Cruiser D
05-15-09, 23:42
Bez, I told you many times before and I will tell you one last time (I mean it!) and for everyone else;

Those massage place ads in What's On for places like Do It and Minuet are fronts for brothels run by either the police or organized crime. I can sit at the bar in Friday's and their are at least three brothels I know about in a 500m radius. For some guy who spends his vacation hunting semi pro poon in the provinces how can you not find brothels in Kyiv? That is being advertised in the paper and people handing out cards for in the street? How can it get any simpler?





We've had THIS debate before, except that you weren't able to help me out with even one location or number, or even how to find them by looking on the internet, or the newspapers, so obviously these 100 brothels are not there for tourists, because otherwise there would be SOME way to find them all, or even ANY of them.

So if they are for the locals, there would STILL be SOME way to find them on the internet or in the newspapers, so WHY isn't there?

It Travel
05-16-09, 12:27
I just found a Jewel on flirt (same database as mamba...) but, unfortunatley she do not answer. Seeking for a sponsor, and I haven't asked her anything strange like anal or so...

Somebody alredy nailed her?

Just 20 but 180 and 49 kg! and 12 cm high heels. WOW!

I can imagine starting kissing her knee and going to the other, with a rest in the PINK :p :p :p

No Info?

IT

PS http://flirt.com.ua/wirona513/

AColonizer
05-16-09, 12:48
But do you believe her pictures are real?

Also me, I am investigating about that profile: that profile has the same behaviour of a "salon" and moreover mamba site is plenty of addresses like wironaNNN where XXX is a number.

A trick from my experience is the word-to-mouth. Word-to-mouth is taking a great place in Italy and in Ukraine too: if you know well a woman, then you ask her about her girlfriends and so on.

I wasted too many time and now I have no patient with haughty replies from crazy pseudo wonder women and I had my best deals from easy-going and prompt girls.

N.B. Everybody could be hidden behind that profile: kidding men, psychopatic women, mamba moderators, Interpol cops, crime organizations and so on.


I just found a Jewel on flirt (same database as mamba...) but, unfortunatley she do not answer. Seeking for a sponsor, and I haven't asked her anything strange like anal or so...

Somebody alredy nailed her?

Just 20 but 180 and 49 kg! and 12 cm high heels. WOW!

I can imagine starting kissing her knee and going to the other, with a rest in the PINK :p :p :p

No Info?

IT

PS http://flirt.com.ua/wirona513/

Zebulon1
05-16-09, 19:27
But do you believe their pictures are real?

Also me, I am investigating about that profile: that profile has the same behaviour of a "salon" and moreover mamba site is plenty of addresses like wironaNNN where XXX is a number.

A trick from my experience is the word-to-mouth. Word-to-mouth is taking a great place in Italy and in Ukraine too: if you know well a woman, then you ask her about her girlfriends and so on.

I wasted too many time and now I have no patient with haughty replies from crazy pseudo wonder women and I had my best deals from easy-going and prompt girls.

N.B. Everybody could be hidden in that profile: kidding men, psychopatic women, mamba moderators, Interpol cops, crime organizations.

I agree with acolonizer, it seems to be a fake.
Very few information.
Everything is new.
Many agencies use a quite similar profile.

I spend a lot of time on mamba this week.
It was better in the past.

I send a message to see.

It Travel
05-16-09, 19:41
Surely the pics are real, I mean of a real pro by one thing only, they are so bad done!!!

The American model type ones (pics) are surely fakes: sometimes you even see it in hi def on plugs! (I mean the eletricity ones, not anal ones!!!!). :D

The only problem is if what you see is what you get and that is a completely different problem, as you can easy understand. I do not mind if the girl is a freebie, a pro or a who** from a Salon, just that I like her and she fuc** and sucks properly.... ;) As well known I'm not seeking a girl for a qwick fuc*.... but for some real weekend sex...

IT

But still 180 cm (with 12 cm heels) x 49 kg makes me :p :p :p (between her legs: at her pink side, of course!)



But do you believe their pictures are real?

Also me, I am investigating about that profile: that profile has the same behaviour of a "salon" and moreover mamba site is plenty of addresses like wironaNNN where XXX is a number.

A trick from my experience is the word-to-mouth. Word-to-mouth is taking a great place in Italy and in Ukraine too: if you know well a woman, then you ask her about her girlfriends and so on.

I wasted too many time and now I have no patient with haughty replies from crazy pseudo wonder women and I had my best deals from easy-going and prompt girls.

N.B. Everybody could be hidden in that profile: kidding men, psychopatic women, mamba moderators, Interpol cops, crime organizations.

AColonizer
05-16-09, 21:12
In my experience, Russians (above all in Moscow) are very good to create fake homemade pictures with fake camera date on pictures and I know the way to put a fake "today's newspaper" in hands of the woman in the picture: we are approaching very next to the real virtual world, something similar to the movies "The running man" or "Total recall".

Please, inform us where you will find a properly sucking "salon" in Kiev (for foreigners). I know you like high quality sex but this is a defiance for you too.


Surely the pics are real, I mean of a real pro by one thing only, they are so bad done!!!

The American model type ones (pics) are surely fakes: sometimes you even see it in hi def on plugs! (I mean the eletricity ones, not anal ones!!!!). :D

The only problem is if what you see is what you get and that is a completely different problem, as you can easy understand. I do not mind if the girl is a freebie, a pro or a who** from a Salon, just that I like her and she fuc** and sucks properly.... ;) As well known I'm not seeking a girl for a qwick fuc*.... but for some real weekend sex...

IT

But still 180 cm (with 12 cm heels) x 49 kg makes me :p :p :p (between her legs: at her pink side, of course!)

Gergiev
05-17-09, 01:53
Gergiev it's hard to get laid in Prypyat since no people lives there.

But it's no impossible.

I scored with a girl from Switzerland, student who came to Prypyat to study the albino swallows. Which seems to be one of the rare visual aftermaths of radiation.

We went to the same scientific tour to Prypyat and one thing lead to another with wild nights at "Prydesnyanskiy" hotel in Chernigov.

Kurenda, in that case, then truly you are a master...

In your honour, I would suggest that in future all unlikely conquests or retrieved 'lost causes' should henceforth be referred to as "Albino Swallows" :-)

Niram21
05-17-09, 05:56
Hi guys!

Can you suggest a good freebie or semi-pro girl (individualki) in Kiev? What's the price now? I can speak russian, it's not a problem for me to talk to the girls, i just want to be sure that i get good value for money. I don't like surprises. I would be grateful if you could help.

It Travel
05-17-09, 13:12
In my experience, Russians (above all in Moscow) are very good to create fake homemade pictures with fake camera date on pictures and I know the way to put a fake "today's newspaper" in hands of the woman in the picture: we are approaching very next to the real virtual world, something similar to the movies "The running man" or "Total recall".

Please, inform us where you will find a properly sucking "salon" in Kiev (for foreigners). I know you like high quality sex but this is a defiance for you too.



Really... I do not understand properly...Nearly always being nicely fuc** suck** mostly BBBJ and CIM in Kiev... not for big money... some time even COF and Swallowing (some time even forced, but with no complain, cumming during deep throat!)... And usually I’m not interested in Salons, Clubs, Bars or whatever, just in young fresh female bodies: white skinned and with real pink between the legs! By the way in former CCCP nearly all that is done for foreigner is a rip off (usually)...

Just now I'm making a deal with a freebie seeking medium-long sponsorship for my next trip ... 19/171/56 black hair, green eyes, slim waist and nice ass (right grip for heavy two hole doggy!)... and nice tits, huge perky nipples perfect for sucking when she is doing anal cow girl on the sofa... She is a threeholer with CIM, COF and photos, may be even a swallower like Inga (you remember the pics I'm feeding her with cum from COF? After cumming I love these games! I enclose some new and old).

There are few things that arouses me like toying a nice young wet girl between fuc*...

Just now I asked her to find a class/school mate, just 18... and real blonde/red, in the case she find her I'll test her for STD and make a lot of DATY (on the real light pink I love, the taste of the natural wet teen pink is amazing, like ikra!) and cream pies in her three holes... :p

If they are ok (together)... I'll take them for a trip somewhere (10 days or so) to a sea resort; if they are not I'll take Inga and Inna (her blonde 22 y.o. university mate)... she told me they are used to lesbian, trios and even swapping. I'll test them for STD too and see what we can do... I think the best would be filming one while she is doing a DATY and slowly licking and swallowing the nice cream pie I’ve made to her university mate! She told me it's possible if I make the STD tests too...

Surely no one is a beauty... 6-7 in my scale, may be lower in yours, but they are young, pigs, and money willing... Students (Inga and Inna both in Electro technical Engineering) living far from home and willing for some extra $$$! And for Inga I'm sure... she is a pig!

These are just the type of next door students I'm interested, of course with some exceptions... And I do not understand why I should go to River Palace (once or twice for fun is OK), or to a Club or to a Salon... just to get a frigid beauty, when I can get a wonderful experience with a teen (or nearly so) student, always wet between the legs! Still remember how I went to Arena with a first unhappy Inga anally plugged for meeting Irish Lad and how after one hour her jeans were even wet outside! When home, just in front of Arena... I let the plug there and just worked her with a vibrator for an hour or so... (you will see at the end).

The prices in Kiev have been down falling a lot... the 19 y.o. girl agreed for 800 USD for three days and nights doing all I wish and can (I’ll take three Cialis and devastate her holes). Inga is a little bit more expensive, but the way she is slurping your cum! MT has gone so down that she asks 200 USD a night (from 1 am to 7 am or so...) but you have to put 20 USD on alcohol for getting the famous BBBJ + CIM :D and don't mind if the cock odometer is well over 3000 (She is 27/8 now and started a decade ago).

At the moment the usual ask, not bid (you can offer half), is 450 Grivnas, for 1,5 hours two pops, just 45 €… but you might negotiate it to 30 €, or may be a night for 150-180 €. A tantric massage (with a couple of pops) with three girls for 90 minutes costs at Rakuena less than 100 € and you can touch (and with some tips kiss all what you want) but no introduction. Even the high priced Gia is starting with discounts some lady 8 hours 380 USD… and if you go for long term it’s 300-350 a day.

Frankly speaking I do not understand this way of going for girls, so popular here (but I well know I’m a minority!)… may be in a club, getting a some lap dances, and a lot of beers, while with the same sum you could be in a bed with a teen: holding her wrists, with her feet on your shoulders and going so deep in her rectum that she starts crying and you can lick salty tears on her young face, kiss her deeply, see some pain in her blue eyes, an finally glaze her face … (Usually what I do with Valentina in Moscow, even if she is not a teen anymore).

Getting back on Inga last year and why I want back to Kiev…

When we got enough in confidence, after some fuc** In the late afternoon (of the day after I dressed her as a waiter) I started toying her, after long lubricating and fingering, with a huge black anal plug (the biggest one). Then she took on her clothes, and we went to Arena, just to meet Irish Lad and his blonde nice toy and take a drink… She was first a little bit shy, then she got so excited that even the jeans were wet…

But I was not aroused enough… so I decided to work on her wet and not yet spread pussy with a proper vibrator (Beate Uhse in FRA!). Toyed her for a while one hour or so… in all possible positions, kissing, cuddling, and feeling her really hard tits (C cups but like iron). Just took out the tools and put her doggy, with ands opening the holes (already slipped a condom on). I went for a deep doggy anal… with her face in the pillow, and some times taking her arms backwards and the curly hair too.

At two third I went on the other side.. she laying on the bed and I doing a proper titfuck with her smiling… glazing her face was a natural end up. We went both to the bath showering and then staying a while in the Jacuzzi with some drinks… cuddling kissing and so on. Then we went on the sofa watching TV and eating something… I can still remember tasting the salmon from her lips.

Finally we got back to bed for a real proper fuck. Took away the towel she was wrapped in and just started kiss her, an lubricate her rear entrance… put in a blue vibrating anal plug… and just laid down. She slipped on a condom with the mouth, and just came over me, cow girl, almost still and I could feel the vibrating plug! May be it lasted 20/30 minutes while she was licking my face… kissing etc. I was close to pop, so she just lifted up her, slip off the condom and start to blow until the load was all on her tongue. Unfortunately she went to the bath spitting and washing.

We slept well on the bed. Of course I had to wake up her in the morning for her breakfast… guess what! We got up for some breakfast... and after I just asked her for a BBBJ... I was thinking how to do when I was awake in the bed: some normal cock-ball licking, some deep... I was trying to keep as long as possible... in the last deep she just got a jizz down her throat. Choughed a little bit, and was red in the face, but the rest was Ok and went back to the breakfast!

I think that these things are possible, at reasonable prices, only in FSU, Cuba, and perhaps with Thai girls if you are lucky. All others are well more mechanic and not in this huge GFE. That’s the reason I’m not for quickies bars, salons etc…

What i want is just one (two would be better, specially if bisexual, wonderful if sisters... already done some) nice young toy in my bed, no models, no stunners, just normal but pigs! Next time I'll not put on the TV I will just sit in the sofa and looking two joungsters with dildos and strap-ons making sex.

Of course some time I ended too in bed with a log. So that's the reason when I find a real pig I try keep it for a while (I did Valentina and her bigger sister Ludmilla serveral times in these years, now they are starting to be older).

Just my two cents (with a beautiful selection of Inga!) May be next will be even better… with her blonde university/home mate! :D

IT

PS the pics are mine, and usually I do not like to make pics with cocks in the way... Of course I could do a lot more but I have to nail her too!!!

AColonizer
05-17-09, 16:19
I herewith attach an ad, please report which kind of service you will get.


Hi guys!

Can you suggest a good freebie or semi-pro girl (individualki) in Kiev? What's the price now? I can speak russian, it's not a problem for me to talk to the girls, i just want to be sure that i get good value for money. I don't like surprises. I would be grateful if you could help.

AColonizer
05-17-09, 16:41
Yes, but bargains, that you got, are not the same for others. In fact it is necessary a hard negotiate (and many time) to get prices like yours, first (and second and third) time tourists are sistematically cheated.

For example, see this link (before it will be deleted), and there are further links somewhere on Internet.

http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=2214

Does that girl remind you somebody (Inga)? And can you read her price? Can you explain how to get your price with Inga instead of 100 euros/hour? Thanks.

P.S. In Ukraine I have always met very experienced girls at 19 years old, maybe the adjective "fresh" is about six years under 18.


Really... I do not understand properly...Nearly always being nicely fuc** suck** mostly BBBJ and CIM in Kiev... not for big money... some time even COF and Swallowing (some time even forced, but with no complain, cumming during deep throat!)... And usually I’m not interested in Salons, Clubs, Bars or whatever, just in young fresh female bodies: white skinned and with real pink between the legs! By the way in former CCCP nearly all that is done for foreigner is a rip off (usually)...

Just now I'm making a deal with a freebie seeking medium-long sponsorship for my next trip ... 19/171/56 black hair, green eyes, slim waist and nice ass (right grip for heavy two hole doggy!)... and nice tits, huge perky nipples perfect for sucking when she is doing anal cow girl on the sofa... She is a threeholer with CIM, COF and photos, may be even a swallower like Inga (you remember the pics I'm feeding her with cum from COF? After cumming I love these games! I enclose some new and old).

There are few things that arouses me like toying a nice young wet girl between fuc*...

Just now I asked her to find a class/school mate, just 18... and real blonde/red, in the case she find her I'll test her for STD and make a lot of DATY (on the real light pink I love, the taste of the natural wet teen pink is amazing, like ikra!) and cream pies in her three holes... :p

If they are ok (together)... I'll take them for a trip somewhere (10 days or so) to a sea resort; if they are not I'll take Inga and Inna (her blonde 22 y.o. university mate)... she told me they are used to lesbian, trios and even swapping. I'll test them for STD too and see what we can do... I think the best would be filming one while she is doing a DATY and slowly licking and swallowing the nice cream pie I’ve made to her university mate! She told me it's possible if I make the STD tests too...

Surely no one is a beauty... 6-7 in my scale, may be lower in yours, but they are young, pigs, and money willing... Students (Inga and Inna both in Electro technical Engineering) living far from home and willing for some extra $$$! And for Inga I'm sure... she is a pig!

These are just the type of next door students I'm interested, of course with some exceptions... And I do not understand why I should go to River Palace (once or twice for fun is OK), or to a Club or to a Salon... just to get a frigid beauty, when I can get a wonderful experience with a teen (or nearly so) student, always wet between the legs! Still remember how I went to Arena with a first unhappy Inga anally plugged for meeting Irish Lad and how after one hour her jeans were even wet outside! When home, just in front of Arena... I let the plug there and just worked her with a vibrator for an hour or so... (you will see at the end).

The prices in Kiev have been down falling a lot... the 19 y.o. girl agreed for 800 USD for three days and nights doing all I wish and can (I’ll take three Cialis and devastate her holes). Inga is a little bit more expensive, but the way she is slurping your cum! MT has gone so down that she asks 200 USD a night (from 1 am to 7 am or so...) but you have to put 20 USD on alcohol for getting the famous BBBJ + CIM :D and don't mind if the cock odometer is well over 3000 (She is 27/8 now and started a decade ago).

At the moment the usual ask, not bid (you can offer half), is 450 Grivnas, for 1,5 hours two pops, just 45 €… but you might negotiate it to 30 €, or may be a night for 150-180 €. A tantric massage (with a couple of pops) with three girls for 90 minutes costs at Rakuena less than 100 € and you can touch (and with some tips kiss all what you want) but no introduction. Even the high priced Gia is starting with discounts some lady 8 hours 380 USD… and if you go for long term it’s 300-350 a day.

Frankly speaking I do not understand this way of going for girls, so popular here (but I well know I’m a minority!)… may be in a club, getting a some lap dances, and a lot of beers, while with the same sum you could be in a bed with a teen: holding her wrists, with her feet on your shoulders and going so deep in her rectum that she starts crying and you can lick salty tears on her young face, kiss her deeply, see some pain in her blue eyes, an finally glaze her face … (Usually what I do with Valentina in Moscow, even if she is not a teen anymore).

Getting back on Inga last year and why I want back to Kiev…

When we got enough in confidence, after some fuc** In the late afternoon (of the day after I dressed her as a waiter) I started toying her, after long lubricating and fingering, with a huge black anal plug (the biggest one). Then she took on her clothes, and we went to Arena, just to meet Irish Lad and his blonde nice toy and take a drink… She was first a little bit shy, then she got so excited that even the jeans were wet…

But I was not aroused enough… so I decided to work on her wet and not yet spread pussy with a proper vibrator (Beate Uhse in FRA!). Toyed her for a while one hour or so… in all possible positions, kissing, cuddling, and feeling her really hard tits (C cups but like iron). Just took out the tools and put her doggy, with ands opening the holes (already slipped a condom on). I went for a deep doggy anal… with her face in the pillow, and some times taking her arms backwards and the curly hair too.

At two third I went on the other side.. she laying on the bed and I doing a proper titfuck with her smiling… glazing her face was a natural end up. We went both to the bath showering and then staying a while in the Jacuzzi with some drinks… cuddling kissing and so on. Then we went on the sofa watching TV and eating something… I can still remember tasting the salmon from her lips.

Finally we got back to bed for a real proper fuck. Took away the towel she was wrapped in and just started kiss her, an lubricate her rear entrance… put in a blue vibrating anal plug… and just laid down. She slipped on a condom with the mouth, and just came over me, cow girl, almost still and I could feel the vibrating plug! May be it lasted 20/30 minutes while she was licking my face… kissing etc. I was close to pop, so she just lifted up her, slip off the condom and start to blow until the load was all on her tongue. Unfortunately she went to the bath spitting and washing.

We slept well on the bed. Of course I had to wake up her in the morning for her breakfast… guess what! We got up for some breakfast... and after I just asked her for a BBBJ... I was thinking how to do when I was awake in the bed: some normal cock-ball licking, some deep... I was trying to keep as long as possible... in the last deep she just got a jizz down her throat. Choughed a little bit, and was red in the face, but the rest was Ok and went back to the breakfast!

I think that these things are possible, at reasonable prices, only in FSU, Cuba, and perhaps with Thai girls if you are lucky. All others are well more mechanic and not in this huge GFE. That’s the reason I’m not for quickies bars, salons etc…

What i want is just one (two would be better, specially if bisexual, wonderful if sisters... already done some) nice young toy in my bed, no models, no stunners, just normal but pigs! Next time I'll not put on the TV I will just sit in the sofa and looking two joungsters with dildos and strap-ons making sex.

Of course some time I ended too in bed with a log. So that's the reason when I find a real pig I try keep it for a while (I did Valentina and her bigger sister Ludmilla serveral times in these years, now they are starting to be older).

Just my two cents (with a beautiful selection of Inga!) May be next will be even better… with her blonde university/home mate! :D

IT

PS the pics are mine, and usually I do not like to make pics with cocks in the way... Of course I could do a lot more but I have to nail her too!!!

Kurenda
05-18-09, 00:53
Acolonizer translation of the add:

Lovers of the correspondence please don't bother me, I am for the real meetings. Photo is realy mine, I invite you to my place, apartments at Arsenal metro station, no outcall, 500 grn/hour, classic oral, anal possible, lezbian (I have a girlfriend), phone number, waiting for your call and you! Kiss!

So she offers, classic sex, oral, anal (possible for additional price) and lesbian show with her girlfriend.

Business logic of the pros is simple - "I want to work as less as possible and at the same time get as much money as possible".

But isn't it what we all want?

In Ukraine most of the girls at the age of 19 are sexualy very experianced. Some interesting informations I've found. According to ukranian ministry of health research females between age 14-23 are the most sexually active. 70% of females loose their virginity by the age of 15. By the age of 20 many girls in Ukraine got married and give birth to children.

In the age of 24 it seems that many ukrainian women somehow loose interest in sex becuase the same ukrainian minstry of health research show that in Ukraine women age 24-35 have some 40-50% less sex than those age 14-23.

It Travel
05-18-09, 07:24
yes, but bargains, that you got, are not the same for others. in fact it is necessary a hard negotiate (and many time) to get prices like yours, first (and second and third) time tourists are sistematically cheated.

for example, see this link (before it will be deleted), and there are further links somewhere on internet.

http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=2214

does that girl remind you somebody (inga)? and can you read her price? can you explain how to get your price with inga instead of 100 euros/hour? thanks.

p.s. in ukraine i have always met very experienced girls at 19 years old, maybe the adjective "fresh" is about six years under 18.

before i met her inga was just a 20 y.o. normal student! now after my proper treatment (or also due to it) she is a real pro, even with a girl friend.

of course it's she in the pics! but mine are better! ah ah ah

have no idea, for the price i mean, i think thay just take the chance.

i can very openly say that she is asking me 500 usd (400 €) for 24 hours and 300 € for every day more, double price for both lesbian included, with inna (haven't tested her yet). she is the soft blond girl playing lesbian with inga... not beauties, but doing exactly what i want... if she is like inga, they wil do swapping too!

of course also for a pro (she now is that) it's far better to have one customer you alredy know, making crazy sex, but treating you well, bringing you to restaurant, nice food, no hassle. so i think the main reason is just that. and then these girls are not street walkers, the do not get 10 or 20 customers a day! just one or two and not every day. the most active on this side was mt usually getting three (an afternoon fuck), a evening date, and then a pick up at rp from 12.30 - 1.00 to morning, but she has probably the cock sucking records in whole ukraine! :d including at least 30 members here!!!

if you see the dynamics of prices at gia (overpriced for short meetings) you see that if you keep a girl for a while the price go daown to 300/400 usd a day.

same in moscow with valentina for instance. usually the sex date is 23.00 -7.00 or something like that, but for the same she usually comes at 18.00-19.00 and leave after 11.00. price is the same, no hassle for her too for beeing bad treated. fucked her at least 25 nights (mostly anally! and in the latest time with cof!) :p

i simply thinks they are human beeings too. and do not treat them loke who***, of course i had my bad experinces, like some logs in the bed, or some little theft (like mt with my caviar!), but no bigger problem, and when i call the gril again, o may be just call her for knowing how she is she usually is nice and fine!

for instance i took yulia at gia several times (four or five, some years ago, published a picure too, from the last time: a soft nice gil with huge tits dd). i din't even need to ask for bbbj + cim, she just did it. same for valentina, she knows what i want and she gets a little tip (standard rate 11.000 rur approx 345 usd, and she gets 400) and usually a dinner, she is not expencive, just a sushi roll and a juice or two, and some cigarettes. i eat much more. but what i get back? nice gfe, doule time to make better sex, in our meeting i usually take her 5/6 times, of which four anally, and get cof (she is not for that normally).

i usually got wonderful gfe in fsu (not in romania for instance, but ok in serbia) but some strange fuck too, and just 10% really bad. i think the way you treat them is very important. they know, of course they are "who***" even if the only go for sponsors... but if you treat them politely, not as a stupid i mean, you get much more out of them. one good thing is to put out immediately the fact that she is good and polite you will take her more times.

had a lot of nice experinces in ua and russia: valentina, ludmilla, kathrin, [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901), yulia, uliana, inga, mystery tramp, zoya met atl least three/four times each some like valentina far more than 20.... for three zoya, uliana and kathrin (all in kiev) i did not even pay a cent... just a nice present, nice dinners and nice gfe in exchange. you can have a girl friend for 200 usd a day, but some times i fairly prefer to go for sure and pay for pussy!

just my two cents...

by the way if i find no others (i'm searcing for a real teen blondinka beauty, soft not skinny, with real pink between the legs! or for a lesbian duo, colour doesn't matter, max. 19), i will go for some vacations with these two pigs... i think they will come both for 500 € a day (a vaction for them too)... and do all i want! :p two lesbian threeholer of which at least one for sure is doing bbbj, cim, cof... what do you want more?

it

ps many of the younger girls ads also on flirt, around 1/3, for the older simply i do not know!

AColonizer
05-18-09, 09:39
FIRST - I am the rare person who puts real information in this thread (not blah blah blah) , please, at least, say "thanks";

SECOND - please, somebody reports about a session with the girl of that advertisement;

THIRD - it is clear you haven't experience enough to read "among lines" that advertisement;

FOURTH - about girls' sexual life, I agree with you, in fact I am one of those people who DON'T think 18 years old are still "fresh".

FIFTH - but is my language so complicated?


Acolonizer translation of the add:

Lovers of the correspondence please don't bother me, I am for the real meetings. Photo is realy mine, I invite you to my place, apartments at Arsenal metro station, no outcall, 500 grn/hour, classic oral, anal possible, lezbian (I have a girlfriend), phone number, waiting for your call and you! Kiss!

So she offers, classic sex, oral, anal (possible for additional price) and lesbian show with her girlfriend.

Business logic of the pros is simple - "I want to work as less as possible and at the same time get as much money as possible".

But isn't it what we all want?

In Ukraine most of the girls at the age of 19 are sexualy very experianced. Some interesting informations I've found. According to ukranian ministry of health research females between age 14-23 are the most sexually active. 70% of females loose their virginity by the age of 15. By the age of 20 many girls in Ukraine got married and give birth to children.

In the age of 24 it seems that many ukrainian women somehow loose interest in sex becuase the same ukrainian minstry of health research show that in Ukraine women age 24-35 have some 40-50% less sex than those age 14-23.

Blaked
05-19-09, 10:45
It all depends on the girl... Some Russian girls don't get laid until they're about 17. I had sex with an 18yo that had lost her virginity at 16 and since then been with about 30 guys - another had only had sex with three guys before being turned out at age 19.



FIRST - I am the rare person who puts real information in this thread (not blah blah blah) , please, at least, say "thanks";

SECOND - please, somebody reports about a session with the girl of that advertisement;

THIRD - it is clear you haven't experience enough to read "among lines" that advertisement;

FOURTH - about girls' sexual life, I agree with you, in fact I am one of those people who DON'T think 18 years old are still "fresh".

FIFTH - but is my language so complicated?

Bez Bezarra
05-19-09, 12:07
This should probably be posted in the provinces thread, but ANOTHER VERY BIG advantage, IMHO, is the freshness when it comes to style and sexual behaviour. In dealing with the 18/19 year old sponsorships and only the newest escorts, I had the distinct pleasure of being the first western man these dyevochkas had slept with, and though yes some certainly were experienced, I was almost always able to find some or several 'new" ideas in bed that they had never tried.

While this is likely not at all important to most of the membership, for the Bez, its simply wonderful to be their first yank, and I alwaus aim to give them a proper introduction to kinkiness and fun, or AT LEAST something they won't soon forget. It seems that the russian guys they'd slept with, whether they were simply boyfriends or first klients in the business, don't have much imagination, and are quickly getting it over, without making much effort to give the dyevochkas something special to remember.

That's where the Bez makes a difference.

This is NOT a brag, as I'll say again and again, we all don't want or care about the same things, and wouldn't it be boring if we all did.

Long live the glorious Motherland:

It Travel
05-19-09, 12:38
This should probably be posted in the provinces thread, but ANOTHER VERY BIG advantage, IMHO, is the freshness when it comes to style and sexual behaviour. In dealing with the 18/19 year old sponsorships and only the newest escorts, I had the distinct pleasure of being the first western man these dyevochkas had slept with, and though yes some certainly were experienced, I was almost always able to find some or several 'new" ideas in bed that they had never tried.

While this is likely not at all important to most of the membership, for the Bez, its simply wonderful to be their first yank, and I alwaus aim to give them a proper introduction to kinkiness and fun, or AT LEAST something they won't soon forget. It seems that the russian guys they'd slept with, whether they were simply boyfriends or first klients in the business, don't have much imagination, and are quickly getting it over, without making much effort to give the dyevochkas something special to remember.

That's where the Bez makes a difference.

This is NOT a brag, as I'll say again and again, we all don't want or care about the same things, and wouldn't it be boring if we all did.

Long live the glorious Motherland:


Bex I completely agree.... It's just a matter of behaviour... and news too! The girls (in their first times 18-19) just do not wanto to open the legs, they want some feedback, so some toy, some tool, some dessing some special practice (handcuffs usally welcome), will excite them, and most of all long and proper DATY will make them crazy.

Just my opinion may be worth now 3 cents (inflation?) :D :D

IT

Bez Bezarra
05-19-09, 14:34
Bex I completely agree....
Just my opinion :D :D

IT

Yeah, uh....sure. :)

Appreciate your concurring on this subject, though I'll admit I'm nowhere near as descriptive about the gory details as you enjoy describing the stretching and poking of holes and the overly perverse satisfaction you seem to find in debauching your little piglets.

Mind that I too find myself stretching the limits of debauchment when I'm in the mood for it, which I've possibly lost a step or two now that my energy and drive is diminishing with age and health, so I'll happily leave that to you and your cousins, and I'lll now concentrate on modeling and quality, rather than the limitless debasing of willing though ignorant test subjects.

Monger on you sick fucker.

(That's a compliment, if you weren't sure!)

Brandon88
05-19-09, 21:21
We've had THIS debate before, except that you weren't able to help me out with even one location or number, or even how to find them by looking on the internet, or the newspapers, so obviously these 100 brothels are not there for tourists, because otherwise there would be SOME way to find them all, or even ANY of them.

So if they are for the locals, there would STILL be SOME way to find them on the internet or in the newspapers, so WHY isn't there?

Bez, don't be frustrated. Cruiser actually took me to one of them behind Fridays somewhere, and I couldn't even tell how to find it. You go in one unmarked door up x flights in the dark to another unmarked door...

It's tough.

Bez Bezarra
05-19-09, 22:57
Bez, don't be frustrated. Cruiser actually took me to one of them behind Fridays somewhere, and I couldn't even tell how to find it. You go in one unmarked door up x flights in the dark to another unmarked door...

It's tough.

More than once, for kicks, I tried a half dozen 'so-called' cat houses advertising their mobile numbers in the newspaper in big cities in the provinces, and after visiting all six, found only one dyevochka barely worth the time, all the rest were not do-able. That was with my driver, who had to get constant directions form the house mama over the phone to find the correct entrance and flat.

Don't get me wrong, its not frustration, I just had hoped to get one decent number to try, though judging from Koozer's fotos, I wasn't missing much anyway.

Its just that I can't recall why he never explained where HE found all 100 mobile numbers for his 100 Kiev brothels, where/how can they be found, the newspaper, the internet, or maybe he simply said that he just asked taxi drivers?

AColonizer
05-20-09, 11:29
I did the same in Kiev and in Moscow, dozens and dozens and no results.

I remember when I phoned my first girl in FSE, she came, she came to my hotel room, she came on time, she was an exceptional female in sex and personality, instead other girls were just rubbish (some of them are famous names here).

Therefore, I always repeat in this forum: we need real information about those very rare good girls to avoid (a lot of) money waste.


More than once, for kicks, I tried a half dozen 'so-called' cat houses advertising their mobile numbers in the newspaper in big cities in the provinces, and after visiting all six, found only one dyevochka barely worth the time, all the rest were not do-able. That was with my driver, who had to get constant directions form the house mama over the phone to find the correct entrance and flat.

Don't get me wrong, its not frustration, I just had hoped to get one decent number to try, though judging form Koozer's fotos, I wasn't missing anything anyway.

Its just that he never reveals where the mobile numbers for his 100 Kiev houses can be found, the newspaper, the internet, or just asking taxi drivers?

Horny29
05-21-09, 12:44
Anybody used Kiev Privat recently? I usually do, but last year their price was to high. I am planning to go in a week or so, just wondering if the cost is worth it now?

Pokeybill
05-21-09, 22:12
Anybody used Kiev Privat recently? I usually do, but last year their price was to high. I am planning to go in a week or so, just wondering if the cost is worth it now?When I last used Kiev Privat it was cheap £20 per hour but that was 2 years ago. I am back in Kiev in a weeks time so I will be able to update you all on prices.

Qjump
05-22-09, 06:12
I did the same in Kiev and in Moscow, dozens and dozens and no results.

Colon I am amazed, my guess was always you have never been out of your front door.........

Qjump
05-22-09, 06:15
This should probably be posted in the provinces thread, but ANOTHER VERY BIG advantage, IMHO, is the freshness when it comes to style and sexual behaviour. In dealing with the 18/19 year old sponsorships and only the newest escorts, I had the distinct pleasure of being the first western man these dyevochkas had slept with, and though yes some certainly were experienced, I was almost always able to find some or several 'new" ideas in bed that they had never tried.

While this is likely not at all important to most of the membership, for the Bez, its simply wonderful to be their first yank, and I alwaus aim to give them a proper introduction to kinkiness and fun, or AT LEAST something they won't soon forget. It seems that the russian guys they'd slept with, whether they were simply boyfriends or first klients in the business, don't have much imagination, and are quickly getting it over, without making much effort to give the dyevochkas something special to remember.

That's where the Bez makes a difference.

This is NOT a brag, as I'll say again and again, we all don't want or care about the same things, and wouldn't it be boring if we all did.

Long live the glorious Motherland:

Bez got to agree with you there, they do always remember you..... and a return visit is always welcome if you make an effort first time around.

Horny29
05-22-09, 12:33
When I last used Kiev Privat it was cheap £20 per hour but that was 2 years ago. I am back in Kiev in a weeks time so I will be able to update you all on prices.Yeah 07 was 90 for two hours, last year $230.

Horny29
05-22-09, 14:00
Bez/IT you guys are my teachers and last year I met a hot 31 year old using some of your inspired lessons. It was like a drug, so much. I want it again. I also picked up a 23 year old that kept emailing me and ended up being a psycho, but that is another story.

Stevie69
05-23-09, 03:20
I recently tried Lillia, form Gia. $140 USD (yes too much! ). Anyway, she was a little older than in her photos, but still very beautiful. I figure she is about 30, not 25. Great boobs, and very confortable giving and getting sex. I did her twice in as many days, and the second time she was even better. Limited english, but she tried, and the sex was good. Would I repeat? Yes, but first I would try to find some other girls, more reasonably priced and perhaps younger. Failing that, it is Lillia again.

It Travel
05-23-09, 08:17
Yeah, uh....sure. :)

Appreciate your concurring on this subject, though I'll admit I'm nowhere near as descriptive about the gory details as you enjoy describing the stretching and poking of holes and the overly perverse satisfaction you seem to find in debauching your little piglets.

Mind that I too find myself stretching the limits of debauchment when I'm in the mood for it, which I've possibly lost a step or two now that my energy and drive is diminishing with age and health, so I'll happily leave that to you and your cousins, and I'lll now concentrate on modeling and quality, rather than the limitless debasing of willing though ignorant test subjects.

Monger on you sick fucker.

(That's a compliment, if you weren't sure!)

Ah ah Bez Bezzarra + Sex = Bex!

Just a joke, but I'm ok with my stretchings... and hole toying! :D You know... for getting a rise up, toying a girl is quite a fast system (Cialis included!)

So we are not competitors... you are searching for young stunners, me for young bi little pigs...

Found two (Sveta & Lena) but too late! Not yet answered... Somebody knows them? I just give a descripion not the link...

Sveta & Lena, petites, skinny, blonde in the middle twenties, less than 45 kg... and 160 cm (identical lesbian twin sisters seeking for sponsors!) They are simply close to perfection for me... :p :p :p

Do you know them? Somebody does?

IT

It Travel
05-23-09, 08:28
I recently tried Lillia, form Gia. $140 USD (yes too much! ). Anyway, she was a little older than in her photos, but still very beautiful. I figure she is about 30, not 25. Great boobs, and very confortable giving and getting sex. I did her twice in as many days, and the second time she was even better. Limited english, but she tried, and the sex was good. Would I repeat? Yes, but first I would try to find some other girls, more reasonably priced and perhaps younger. Failing that, it is Lillia again.


Gia is always a good backup, unfortunately you can't phone at 1.00 am! By the way if you want a real pig (but no English at all), playing with your cum on her tongue you could try Sabina, I think the age is right, only that she is close to 180 and 70/75 kg and have DDD sized tits with huge nipples! Perfect for titfuck and COF and heavy duty sex!

Nota a beauty but... really horny! (better if you manage to get her a little drunk...).

I think she is exactly the opposite of skinny, A --- tits, Mistery Tramp...

Would love to have them in bed together!

IT

Bez Bezarra
05-23-09, 12:23
Ah Bez Bezarra

I stretch holes up, quite fast!

So we are not competitors searching for young bi little pigs...

Do you know them?



It isn't wise to always be so sure you know what the score is, droog.

Cruiser D
05-23-09, 14:03
One of the escorts on the Moscow forum (Helena?) vouched that AC is for real, real being a relative term. :)


Colon I am amazed, my guess was always you have never been out of your front door.........

It Travel
05-23-09, 20:20
It isn't wise to always be so sure you know what the score is, droog.

Do not understand but OK :)

IT

Pokeybill
05-24-09, 09:11
Hi guys,

Just doing a bit of research for my trip next weekend. Saw this site which looks interesting and cheaper than others.

Anyone used this agency or site before? No sign of any English version so may be a hassle trying to book.

http://www.sexlady.kiev.ua/index.html

Sammybe
05-24-09, 20:05
Hi Guys,

I have been to Kiev more than 15 times in the past 7 years. I have used Gia and it was nice, I have been to RP a few times aswell, those were great. I have tried the lobby girls, and magazine ads. And they were so so.

The truth is I will be in Kiev from 29th to the 1st of June and I am hopping that there is a new place in Kiev similar to RP but not RP again.

Here in Dubai we have quite a few venues which if you wanted to monger for a few days in a row you would never go back to the same place but you could still get a first rate roll in the hay.

Don't get me wrong I will visit RP one night for sure but when I remember Kiev nights, I guess I would like some fresh scenery other than RP. Any Ideas?

Qjump
05-25-09, 15:04
One of the escorts on the Moscow forum (Helena?) vouched that AC is for real, real being a relative term. :)

But I thought she cost more than $50 and does not swallow?
Yet he seems to impress on us all the time that's all they are worth?
Don't tell me he broke his own rules in paying them nothing and treating them like the woman hater he is?

It Travel
05-25-09, 17:46
Hi Guys,

I have been to Kiev more than 15 times in the past 7 years. I have used Gia and it was nice, I have been to RP a few times aswell, those were great. I have tried the lobby girls, and magazine ads. And they were so so.

The truth is I will be in Kiev from 29th to the 1st of June and I am hopping that there is a new place in Kiev similar to RP but not RP again.

Here in Dubai we have quite a few venues which if you wanted to monger for a few days in a row you would never go back to the same place but you could still get a first rate roll in the hay.

Don't get me wrong I will visit RP one night for sure but when I remember Kiev nights, I guess I would like some fresh scenery other than RP. Any Ideas?


Go to Arena and make eye contact!!! ;)

IT

Sammybe
05-25-09, 19:30
Go to Arena and make eye contact!!! ;)

ITArena would be the bar and brewery near TGIF I presume? So essentially is Arena like RP with all working girls or is it a mix? I mean how direct can one be ...? What is the going rate?

Sam

Doctor_Skank
05-25-09, 20:24
Arena would be the bar and brewery near TGIF I presume? So essentially is Arena like RP with all working girls or is it a mix? I mean how direct can one be ...? What is the going rate?

SamThere is the central bar in the brewpub part, the girls eagerly seeking eye contact there are most likely pros.

In the night club/disco upstairs a lot of the girls near the bar counters are pros.

It's a mix though, a lot of regular girls go there too... although with some experience it is quite easy to pick out the pros.

I've actually always liked Arena better than RP because Arena is a disco with real club atmosphere and not nearly the shark tank that RP is. More like an aquarium with occassional piranhas.

Diceman
05-26-09, 11:18
Hi Guys,

I have been to Kiev more than 15 times in the past 7 years. I have used Gia and it was nice, I have been to RP a few times aswell, those were great. I have tried the lobby girls, and magazine ads. And they were so so.

The truth is I will be in Kiev from 29th to the 1st of June and I am hopping that there is a new place in Kiev similar to RP but not RP again.

Here in Dubai we have quite a few venues which if you wanted to monger for a few days in a row you would never go back to the same place but you could still get a first rate roll in the hay.

Don't get me wrong I will visit RP one night for sure but when I remember Kiev nights, I guess I would like some fresh scenery other than RP. Any Ideas? If you been to kiev more than 15 times in 7 years, I would have thought you would have had more field reports here than bez or the doctor, thats a disgrace my friend, these guys are in the front line for people like you who are looking for ideas? Surely with all your experience In Kiev you could start your own forum?

Sammybe
05-26-09, 16:30
I've actually always liked Arena better than RP because Arena is a disco with real club atmosphere and not nearly the shark tank that RP is. More like an aquarium with occassional piranhas.Thanks Doctor_Skank / Thanks IT

I guess I will definately checkout Arena on saturday night. By the way how late is RP open on friday nights? My flight lands at 2 am saturday morning. From there to hotel and check in at the Hyatt will take till about 3:30 am ... you reckon any chance to still hit RP? or any other suggestions may be?

As you may have guessed I am not planning to waste any time on this trip. The hotel is costing the Boss an arm and a leg and I feel responsible to make use of the BED to the fullest!

Heyholetsgo
05-26-09, 17:23
Could any of the more experienced Kyivites shed some light on what are the the most active places to go out during the week in Kiev? And sure, RP and Rio are open every day but what I mean are just restaurants/clubs/cafes where you can truly find's Kyiv's best.

I ask because you can't get wrong with Kyiv during the weekend, every place is bumping with awesome devushkas but its during the Sunday-Thursday that one needs some specific intel. Also are there any websites that promo the nightlife in Kyiv? i.e., as in which DJs are playing where?

As for what I've found so far, Wednesdays are very good at Shooters, but thats about it. Thoughts appreciated.

Ash1001
05-26-09, 23:31
Sunday night is also good at Shooters. Thursday night at Azhure/Avalon is ladies' night these days.

If you need a real alternative to RP, it looked to me like Buddha Bar (on Khreshchatyk, just beyond Maidan) is headed in that direction. It's a candle-lit, Asian themed chill out bar with Hr 100 cocktails. A fair handful of RP girls have started to work here instead (or as well?)

Also a good place to take a date, so she can see what she's up against :)

Explorer69
05-27-09, 06:41
If you need a real alternative to RP, it looked to me like Buddha Bar (on Khreshchatyk, just beyond Maidan) is headed in that direction. It's a candle-lit, Asian themed chill out bar with Hr 100 cocktails. A fair handful of RP girls have started to work here instead (or as well?)

Also a good place to take a date, so she can see what she's up against :)I was in Buddha Bar in January, it was rather new I think at that time. I liked the place, but it felt more like a place where the young and beautiful in Kiev would go. And now you say that girls into P4P are there? Very interesting! It might be a great alternative to find girls, one could look for freebies and then have the P4P as a backup!

Piper1
05-27-09, 23:17
Can anyone recommend a reasonably-priced apartment in the center of Kiev (or an apartment agency)? I'll be there for 5-6 nights in a few weeks. Thanks.
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EDIT IN:

Stupid me - I should remember Google is my friend. I found many apartment websites, eg: http://www.kievapts.com/apartment_details.php?id=312

Blaked
05-28-09, 01:26
Can anyone recommend a reasonably-priced apartment in the center of Kiev (or an apartment agency)? I'll be there for 5-6 nights in a few weeks. Thanks.
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EDIT IN:

Stupid me - I should remember Google is my friend. I found many apartment websites, eg: http://www.kievapts.com/apartment_details.php?id=312
I am staying right in the very heart of Kiev Mac Donalds is next to me and Mickey dees is as CENTER as you can get.. I am only paying $120.00 US a night for a LARGE 2 bedroom apartment jacuzzi I am with Blake. Got LUCKY in River Palace pull a babe out of there by the handle of Leena for 150 US for 4 hours. Will post pics soon I have them on my digital camera.. I pull a GIRL from River Palace TALL LEGGY BLONDOSHKA have pics to. Svetlana was her name wanted $400.00 for 1 hour I agree she was SMOKING HOT!!! She stay 3 hours and only took 200 US But I GIFTED her EXPENSIVE FRENCH perfume Bought lots of it DUTY FREE but the shit was still expensive. as soon as she enter the apartment that warm her up. She thought that was very sweet. I am on Blakes computer . hehehehe If you want information about this flat PM me at Blake. PM I have been here 6 days I am leaving in 4 days to Chernoble tour and then to harkov. Will POST pics soon.

AColonizer
05-28-09, 10:23
Can you explain better? Did you pay after sex performance?


I am staying right in the very heart of Kiev Mac Donalds is next to me and Mickey dees is as CENTER as you can get.. I am only paying $120.00 US a night for a LARGE 2 bedroom apartment jacuzzi I am with Blake. Got LUCKY in River Palace pull a babe out of there by the handle of Leena for 150 US for 4 hours. Will post pics soon I have them on my digital camera.. I pull a GIRL from River Palace TALL LEGGY BLONDOSHKA have pics to. Svetlana was her name wanted $400.00 for 1 hour I agree she was SMOKING HOT!!! She stay 3 hours and only took 200 US But I GIFTED her EXPENSIVE FRENCH perfume Bought lots of it DUTY FREE but the shit was still expensive. as soon as she enter the apartment that warm her up. She thought that was very sweet. I am on Blakes computer . hehehehe If you want information about this flat PM me at Blake. PM I have been here 6 days I am leaving in 4 days to Chernoble tour and then to harkov. Will POST pics soon.

Diceman
05-28-09, 14:12
I am staying right in the very heart of Kiev Mac Donalds is next to me and Mickey dees is as CENTER as you can get.. I am only paying $120.00 US a night for a LARGE 2 bedroom apartment jacuzzi I am with Blake. Got LUCKY in River Palace pull a babe out of there by the handle of Leena for 150 US for 4 hours. Will post pics soon I have them on my digital camera.. I pull a GIRL from River Palace TALL LEGGY BLONDOSHKA have pics to. Svetlana was her name wanted $400.00 for 1 hour I agree she was SMOKING HOT!!! She stay 3 hours and only took 200 US But I GIFTED her EXPENSIVE FRENCH perfume Bought lots of it DUTY FREE but the shit was still expensive. as soon as she enter the apartment that warm her up. She thought that was very sweet. I am on Blakes computer . hehehehe If you want information about this flat PM me at Blake. PM I have been here 6 days I am leaving in 4 days to Chernoble tour and then to harkov. Will POST pics soon.I'm sorry blake, but what the hell you agree to dish out 400$ for an hour with this girl for? ha ha are you insane? you think its good to be overpaying these girls for that sort of money? do you not kid of think it spoils it for the rest of us giving out money like that? its fucking nonsense if you ask me, supposed to be a recession on and you offer them money like that is beyond belief.

Durak

Kurenda
05-29-09, 00:02
As far as I understood what Blake wrote the girl initially demanded 400$/hour.

But she stayed 3 hours for 200$ which makes it about 70$/hour so it is more realistic.

RP girls always hit you with high price and later settle for much less.

Horn Dog
05-29-09, 08:13
Anybody used Kiev Privat recently? I usually do, but last year their price was to high. I am planning to go in a week or so, just wondering if the cost is worth it now?Yes, I was there in mid-April for 2 days. Got Jennifer for 500 UAH. Good service and will definitely see her again next month. Looks like there's a bunch of new girls on Kiev Privat compared to a month ago. I also used top-models.com. Ua but forgot to check the real photos option and got a girl that was maybe 20 lbs more than she looked in her photo. Service was so-so. Thanks to the posts here, I've got "dates" with 5 girls next month from flirt.com. Ua in Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk. Mostly Single moms in their 30's and most of them are not looking for sponsors either.

AColonizer
05-29-09, 11:28
But did you pay after session?


As far as I understood what Blake wrote the girl initially demanded 400$/hour.

But she stayed 3 hours for 200$ which makes it about 70$/hour so it is more realistic.

RP girls always hit you with high price and later settle for much less.

Bez Bezarra
05-29-09, 12:19
I'm sorry blake, but what the hell??

its fucking nonsense beyond belief.Dice, don't get your panties in a wedge!

They're not death eaters, but yes, they are just slightly out of control, but that's always been their way.

Better off to just read and say to yourself, WTF, than to try to sort them out.

At the moment, they're a bit 'out there', so to speak. Just getting acclimated after an extended absence from Candyland, so its hard to say no to anything this early into their mission.

And at this point, you shouldn't really concern yourself that they're capable of creating much pricing influence in the tramp market, as you'll likely realize your taste will widely vary from theirs, once you see the first week's fotos. Likely soon, he'll calm down and concentrate on quality, but for now, I suspect its a bit of a skank-fest in progress.

Let me put it this way, would you spend an entire week in Kiev and NOT get laid even ONCE??? Or, go to River Plough-ass EVERY night for a week?

Ok? See what I'm talking about now. That should tell you all you need to know. ;)

On the other hand, if the crazy Canuck remembers HOW IMPORTANT it is to insist he gets ALL his girls to do some MODELING for the camera, and then persuade his WINGNUT sidekick to simply get around to posting them, the discussion may quickly change to what trailblazing heros they are..... :o

And once they get to the provinces, they may even recall that IT IS POSSIBLE to get MORE THAN 1 tramp per day??? :p

Diceman
05-29-09, 13:48
bez I see your point but is it not best to keep stuff like that to yourself? It just pisses me off we are in a recession, lets be realistic, whats average salary here in ukraine? Its just sends out the wrong signals, guys will pay this, its not That I can't afford to pay this myself, but I couldn't live with myself if I agreed to pay this money.

AColonizer
05-29-09, 14:48
It depends where is man's brain . . . and all women think the same: "if I am a man, I prefer to save my money rather to waste in girls or b*****s". They have also suggested the solution about fucking need "just have a handjob and everything will be better after".

Translated in a strategic plan, this means "to reduce losses about money, time and energy". "This time has gone bad, I will prepare my strategic plan better the next time, and my fire power is still all intact.".

Yes, the best solution is to get swallow blowjobs for cheap (honest price) otherwise to enjoy something else in Kiev, and Kiev is a nice city above all in Summer.


Dice, don't get your panties in a wedge!

They're not death eaters, but yes, they are just slightly out of control, but that's always been their way.

Better off to just read and say to yourself, WTF, than to try to sort them out.

They're 'out there', so to speak.

Let me put it this way, would you spend an entire week in Kiev and NOT get laid even ONCE??? Or, go to RP every night for a week?

Ok? See what I'm talking about now. That should tell you all you need to know. ;)

Piper1
05-29-09, 23:21
Dear Kiev Regulars: Which of these clubs would be a sure thing to pick up a hot WG or Semi-WG, for a mid-40s kinky guy with a fucking great personality, smart, modest, speaks a little Russian, looks like Brad Pitt (after the fight club), and is willing to pay around US$120 for a few hours to all-night?

RP is a given, but I don't want to end up in a teeny-bopper club. Advice much appreciated.

http://www.flatlux.net/?Kiev-apartments-for-daily-rent&page=articles&articleID=59

Piper1
05-30-09, 02:35
grooms-from-usa-choose-girls-from.html

(click on the first website)

Sammybe
05-30-09, 08:57
I arrived from Dubai on the flight at 2am and checked in at the hotel by 3:30. Too late to take a chance of a possible hit or miss at the Arena (we even drove passed it on the way from the airport) so I went straight to RP. Let me tell you the only other room I have ever walked in that makes me feel as alive as walking to RP disco was night flight in Moscow!

Walked in, paid up, got stamped and WOW! I had seen the place more packed before but considering the time. WOW! And the good thing 3 girls to1 ratio looked and felt good. I immediately strolled around the bar area and back at tables to the right of the entrance having checked the stock I sat at my throne taking my time (of about 5 minutes! ) and this proxide blond with a great A** started dancing in front of me and I invited her to sit. Short haggle. One quick drink, watching the hotties pass by I figured lets take this one home and we will pick and choose when we have lots of time tomorrow.

Got to the hotel and it was almost day light, Diana asked for money after a few lingering kisses (turn off) and I paid, we showered and she was nice, you know no model type (I new this from the club) but the young hard and plump sexy girl next door with an a** to die for type. Started nice and slow but she insisted on a CBJ (another turn off) and things were quite mechancial for a while until I decided I was not going to let her make this trip unmemorable. So I showed her where her G spot was! And that my friends can make quite a difference with the younger WG's who are not very hardened by the profession. I believe Diana and I are friends now as the ensuing BBJ's, CIM, COF which was previously reserved for BOYFRIEND only was amazing! Let's see what surprises day 2 may bring. This time though I will only settle for a magazine cover six foot bikkini model type at any cost. To be honest we are getting less of those in Dubai these days and I miss them so!

One last thing, I would not go back to Diana for a simple reason than when you get a high price working girl you are not supposed to work hard to get all the goodies. That is what the money is for!

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Tony70
05-30-09, 22:55
I am in Kiev now for a few day and just want to ask if there any swinger clubs in Kiev? Like the tradional clubs where people chill out but withe a bedrroom or two.

Thaks a lot guys:-)

AColonizer
05-31-09, 08:47
Thanks. Probably you are right, customers need to stimulate G spot to prostitutes too, but, just as you said "when you get a high price working girl you are not supposed to work hard to get all the goodies. That is what the money is for!".


I arrived from Dubai on the flight at 2am and checked in at the hotel by 3:30. Too late to take a chance of a possible hit or miss at the Arena (we even drove passed it on the way from the airport) so I went straight to RP. Let me tell you the only other room I have ever walked in that makes me feel as alive as walking to RP disco was night flight in Moscow!

Walked in, paid up, got stamped and WOW! I had seen the place more packed before but considering the time. WOW! And the good thing 3 girls to1 ratio looked and felt good. I immediately strolled around the bar area and back at tables to the right of the entrance having checked the stock I sat at my throne taking my time (of about 5 minutes! ) and this proxide blond with a great A** started dancing in front of me and I invited her to sit. Short haggle. One quick drink, watching the hotties pass by I figured lets take this one home and we will pick and choose when we have lots of time tomorrow.

Got to the hotel and it was almost day light, Diana asked for money after a few lingering kisses (turn off) and I paid, we showered and she was nice, you know no model type (I new this from the club) but the young hard and plump sexy girl next door with an a** to die for type. Started nice and slow but she insisted on a CBJ (another turn off) and things were quite mechancial for a while until I decided I was not going to let her make this trip unmemorable. So I showed her where her G spot was! And that my friends can make quite a difference with the younger WG's who are not very hardened by the profession. I believe Diana and I are friends now as the ensuing BBJ's, CIM, COF which was previously reserved for BOYFRIEND only was amazing! Let's see what surprises day 2 may bring. This time though I will only settle for a magazine cover six foot bikkini model type at any cost. To be honest we are getting less of those in Dubai these days and I miss them so!

One last thing, I would not go back to Diana for a simple reason than when you get a high price working girl you are not supposed to work hard to get all the goodies. That is what the money is for!

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AColonizer
05-31-09, 11:53
I am remembering mambas sites two years ago, there was for example Eva, a big busty and slim girl, she had the business for a year and then where did she go???

I am remembering mamba sites two years ago, I found a lot of real freebies and real individualki ready to meet me, now I am finding a lot of expensive agencies, some too sly individualki and freebies have become hard to meet.

The question is: it seems there are much less nice real freebies in mamba sites, and prostitutes are always the same girls or the same agencies, what has happening???

Crisis are hitting girls in a different way? Or have they become smarter, choosing a good job or a good sponsor for a long time?

Blaked
05-31-09, 15:23
You read it wrong - He (Brian) talked her down to 200 for the night. The last time I spent money like that was when I parted with 10t rubles for a night. She stayed maybe 4-5 hours - of course, this was in Moscow where prices are higher. The other time I spent nearly that much was in February or March of 2008 (pre-crisis), when I got two girls from Charmel at the same time for about 8t rubles (when the ruble was higher). So far, I've spent 600g on one girl for an hour in Kiev (plus 60 for her taxis) and 300g in Dnepropetrovsk. I found the 600g girl on the Mambo site (love.mail.ru). So that's about 80 and 40 bucks. It's best to hit it where it's cheap. Drivers in DP are familiar with the incall places, although pickings can be scarce if you show up too early. Try to pick a cabbie without too much Jesus stuff inside the taxi. One or two plastic icons is alright.

Friday was the last day of school, and the center of Kiev was full of Anime-style 17yo schoolgirls playing in fountains. No, I didn't attempt to corrupt any of them. I have pictures but for some reason my flash drive doesn't work at the moment. I promised Brian that I'd post pictures, which I'll do now in the pictures section. He's upset at me now because I got us the wrong train tickets - I'd thought that 2nd class was Kupe when in fact it's Platzkart. We ended up bribing the Conductor 300g to let us sleep in the two-berth cabin reserved for her and her co-worker.



I'm sorry blake, but what the hell you agree to dish out 400$ for an hour with this girl for? ha ha are you insane? you think its good to be overpaying these girls for that sort of money? do you not kid of think it spoils it for the rest of us giving out money like that? its fucking nonsense if you ask me, supposed to be a recession on and you offer them money like that is beyond belief.

Durak

Sammybe
05-31-09, 15:56
The day started horribly with a supposed short business meeting went on for 7 hours, the reason simply that my Ukrainian counterparts never said yes or no its always "principi da" which means "Maybe? I am not sure? I agree but." and then they forced me to tag along on Vodka drinking gambling nightmare till I ended it at 12:30 am. I don't mix business with pleasure so their offers of: "sexy nice girl for you" was politely declined.

To make a long story short as soon as I was dropped back at the hotel I jumped in a taxi and straight to RP. I guess 1 am is still early for the girls as many were just arriving. Again walked in, paid up, got stamped and WOW! As soon as I walked in I saw this hot number (well to be honest the BACK of this hot number) in a green dress with gorgeous blond /brunette long hair and an A** that looked delicious. I almost tapped her on the shoulder but you know I figured let’s see what else is there. And buy God there were quite a few nice ones last night but as always the ones you don’t want come over and start chatting you up and you try to say something polite while refusing the offer. So that went on for a while.

Until I came sort of face o face with the girl in the green and believe you me she had a nice pair of tan knockers (though the presentation was clearly assisted with a push up bra) and cute face. I said Hello, and asked her to join me at my table which she did. Her name is Alina, she said she was 25, maybe. I asked her if she wanted to drink and she told me "you came here to drink or to fuck? !. In the nicest Ukrainian accented straight talk I had heard all day! " And I told myself this is it!

She asked for 300 I said we’ll see. She also said "I only kiss p***s not lips. But you will never forget me. I am like porn star", and you know what, again the sort of straight talk that could have made the morning meeting adjourn in 1 hour instead of 7!

So we went back to the Hyatt and she delivered what she promised in every fathomable fashion. Just no kissing. And I was right about the booty. It was a work of art, forget Bernini, Michael Angelo this was sports illustrated swim suit issue hot! She knew it as well and she flaunted it, before, during, and even after sex. Alina made sure you saw it in every sort of pose that you may have seen in any genre of porn from innocent to. And then oiled it up and started all over again. But she did not kiss. And frankly although she did have a cute face with nice eyes etc etc I was too busy with the A** to be even in any position for kissing!

At the end I gave her 350 for being a good spirited hard working sort of girl who did not quit till wee hours in the morning (actually) till I said no more! Not a single complaint, no dirty looks, no why is it taking so long on the last pop. We both knew why we were there and she delivered the goods. I would see her again just not on this trip as I am not sure I have the strength! I will probably try to find a nice innocent looking type that will be more inclined towards TLC than sexual gymnastics for tonight! Maybe try Arena, or call Gia, I don’t know. Let’s see what the night has in store on this last day of the trip.

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Cruiser D
05-31-09, 20:08
http://www.whatson-kiev.com/

You can pick up the print version in most common places that foreigners go to.


Could any of the more experienced Kyivites shed some light on what are the the most active places to go out during the week in Kiev? And sure, RP and Rio are open every day but what I mean are just restaurants/clubs/cafes where you can truly find's Kyiv's best.

I ask because you can't get wrong with Kyiv during the weekend, every place is bumping with awesome devushkas but its during the Sunday-Thursday that one needs some specific intel. Also are there any websites that promo the nightlife in Kyiv? i.e., as in which DJs are playing where?

As for what I've found so far, Wednesdays are very good at Shooters, but thats about it. Thoughts appreciated.

Cruiser D
05-31-09, 20:11
One would assume that Buddha Bar would turn into Decadence. Nice location - It's too bad RP wasn't in the Center too. :)


I was in Buddha Bar in January, it was rather new I think at that time. I liked the place, but it felt more like a place where the young and beautiful in Kiev would go. And now you say that girls into P4P are there? Very interesting! It might be a great alternative to find girls, one could look for freebies and then have the P4P as a backup!

AColonizer
05-31-09, 20:14
Yes, but you or your friend, did you pay after the sex session?


You read it wrong. He (Brian) talked her down to 200 for the night. The last time I spent money like that was when I parted with 10t rubles for a night. She stayed maybe 4-5 hours. Of course, this was in Moscow where prices are higher. The other time I spent nearly that much was in February or March of 2008 (pre-crisis), when I got two girls from Charmel at the same time for about 8t rubles (when the ruble was higher). So far, I've spent 600g on one girl for an hour in Kiev (plus 60 for her taxis) and 300g in Dnepropetrovsk. I found the 600g girl on the Mambo site (love. Mail. Ru). So that's about 80 and 40 bucks. It's best to hit it where it's cheap. Drivers in DP are familiar with the incall places, although pickings can be scarce if you show up too early. Try to pick a cabbie without too much Jesus stuff inside the taxi. One or two plastic icons is alright.

Friday was the last day of school, and the center of Kiev was full of Anime-style 17yo schoolgirls playing in fountains. No, I didn't attempt to corrupt any of them. I have pictures but for some reason my flash drive doesn't work at the moment. I promised Brian that I'd post pictures, which I'll do now in the pictures section. He's upset at me now because I got us the wrong train tickets. I'd thought that 2nd class was Kupe when in fact it's Platzkart. We ended up bribing the Conductor 300g to let us sleep in the two-berth cabin reserved for her and her co-worker.

Cruiser D
05-31-09, 20:15
Mr Pitt, avoid PaTiPa, it's a kiddie hang out. Other then that any of the other clubs are fine. From the sound of what you are looking for I'd say Arena Disco.


Dear Kiev Regulars: Which of these clubs would be a sure thing to pick up a hot WG or Semi-WG, for a mid-40s kinky guy with a fucking great personality, smart, modest, speaks a little Russian, looks like Brad Pitt (after the fight club), and is willing to pay around US$120 for a few hours to all-night?

RP is a given, but I don't want to end up in a teeny-bopper club. Advice much appreciated.

http://www.flatlux.net/?Kiev-apartments-for-daily-rent&page=articles&articleID=59

SpanishBoy 29
06-01-09, 11:24
Nightclub patipa is a lot of kids, the most people is there is from 16-19 not more and a lot people. The cover in the weekend is 150 for men. Arena night club more rich kids who come to this place 150 uah in the weekend to come before 12 or you will waiting a long time to come in a lot of people and they are face control. Riverpalace is the best place for tourist who overprice the girls, who will pay 300 $ to have sex? ))) this is ukraine not Usa or stripclub they are economic crisess, I can fuck 5 girls for this price in the same time in my bed.

I can see many people inside here is rich, why spend so much money, you pay more end european price, why so travel to kiev? Stay in west european is better. Normal price is between 45$-80$ in 1 hour if you pay more so you have pay overprice. In riverpalace is the price from 100$. 200$ but no more., I can see many mongers spoild the market, some one pay 400 $ to a girl, I was in chock, and this girl was only 8 body. I want to say kiev is a safe place, don't be drunk, don't take a girl from another boy. When you walk down the street act like you know the city, don't take a big card map of kiev, don't show you are tourist you will be overpriced every where. Kiev girls like man dress well is very important boys. But you have to know there are many pepole can not speak english. Don't take taxi before you make a deal, don't pay overpriced in day time is 10 gr and in night is from 15-30gr. I pay from the city to riverpalace 20gr and back 25g.

Play safe

AColonizer
06-01-09, 12:47
Hi Sammy,

Just a question about the girl from RP: did you pay her at the end of sex session?


The day started horribly with a supposed short business meeting went on for 7 hours, the reason simply that my Ukrainian counterparts never said yes or no its always "principi da" which means "Maybe? I am not sure? I agree but." and then they forced me to tag along on Vodka drinking gambling nightmare till I ended it at 12:30 am. I don't mix business with pleasure so their offers of: "sexy nice girl for you" was politely declined.

To make a long story short as soon as I was dropped back at the hotel I jumped in a taxi and straight to RP. I guess 1 am is still early for the girls as many were just arriving. Again walked in, paid up, got stamped and WOW! As soon as I walked in I saw this hot number (well to be honest the BACK of this hot number) in a green dress with gorgeous blond /brunette long hair and an A** that looked delicious. I almost tapped her on the shoulder but you know I figured let’s see what else is there. And buy God there were quite a few nice ones last night but as always the ones you don’t want come over and start chatting you up and you try to say something polite while refusing the offer. So that went on for a while.

Until I came sort of face o face with the girl in the green and believe you me she had a nice pair of tan knockers (though the presentation was clearly assisted with a push up bra) and cute face. I said Hello, and asked her to join me at my table which she did. Her name is Alina, she said she was 25, maybe. I asked her if she wanted to drink and she told me "you came here to drink or to fuck? !. In the nicest Ukrainian accented straight talk I had heard all day! " And I told myself this is it!

She asked for 300 I said we’ll see. She also said "I only kiss p***s not lips. But you will never forget me. I am like porn star", and you know what, again the sort of straight talk that could have made the morning meeting adjourn in 1 hour instead of 7!

So we went back to the Hyatt and she delivered what she promised in every fathomable fashion. Just no kissing. And I was right about the booty. It was a work of art, forget Bernini, Michael Angelo this was sports illustrated swim suit issue hot! She knew it as well and she flaunted it, before, during, and even after sex. Alina made sure you saw it in every sort of pose that you may have seen in any genre of porn from innocent to. And then oiled it up and started all over again. But she did not kiss. And frankly although she did have a cute face with nice eyes etc etc I was too busy with the A** to be even in any position for kissing!

At the end I gave her 350 for being a good spirited hard working sort of girl who did not quit till wee hours in the morning (actually) till I said no more! Not a single complaint, no dirty looks, no why is it taking so long on the last pop. We both knew why we were there and she delivered the goods. I would see her again just not on this trip as I am not sure I have the strength! I will probably try to find a nice innocent looking type that will be more inclined towards TLC than sexual gymnastics for tonight! Maybe try Arena, or call Gia, I don’t know. Let’s see what the night has in store on this last day of the trip.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Vipmodels
06-03-09, 05:16
Welcome to http://www.vip-kiev.com/

Lad only beside us girls with real photo.

JtownJoe
06-03-09, 11:13
Gentlemen; I an one of the lurkers on this thread. I only go to Kiev at most a couple of times a year and for a week to 10 days at a time. So the info. I can provide is usually not very up to date or as good as provide by you guys that live there or are there months at a time and really have a handle on what’s going on. However, for what it’s worth I’ll put my two cents worth in. Just got back to the states and spent 6 days in Kiev. Had a little work to take care of that I expected to only take 3 or 4 mornings. Didn’t quite work out that way but I had late afternoons and nights for the hobby. So no overnighters or 24 hour encounters
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First let me say right now I don’t want to get into any pissing matches with anyone over what I’m going to say. I’m going to just give you my opinion from my prospective. From what I’ve read here on this thread a lot of people will disagree with me. I have no problem with that as long as it doesn’t get personal and is kept civil. On this trip I used River Palace, GIA, Top Modals and Kiev Escort Services. I stayed at an apartment provided by Kiev Rentals. The guy who runs it is an American. In the past I usually stayed with Sherborne Guest House. I emailed Sherborne and asked what they could offer me. They came back with a price of $165.00 per night. Their apartments are very nice and provide daily maid service. I asked Kiev Rentals for a quote and they came back with $89.00 per night. There is no maid service with Kiev Rentals but the price is right and the location is right in the center of town. Both companies have their advantage and disadvantages.

My first night there I call GIA. I’ve always found them to be reliable and there are no unpleasant surprises. As I was running a little late and by the time I called they had no one to send me. I think that was the first time I had that happens to me with GIA. But the gal that answers the phone told me that one of their clients called and took all the available girls they had for the rest of the night. I was too tired from the trip and work to go to RP so I called Kiev Escort Services (my first time to call them) and asked for Alena. It wasn’t really a surprise that the girl that came was not the girl in the photo. Nor did she perform most of the items on the profile. No English as the profile said she did. No striptease as per the profile. What I usually want is a girlfriend fantasy. Lot of kissing, touching and caressing. I think we’ve all had this kind of girl who just wanted to get it over with. No kissing, didn’t really want to be there. I am realistic and realize that most girls in there 20s are not thrilled to be intimate with a 50 something guy. But, that’s the reason I’m willing to pay them more than a couple of hundred bucks to give me that fantasy. I made a big mistake booking this girl for 3 hours. I should have booked her for one hour and kept her if I like her. My mistake. Cost me $240.00. We had sex but it was a big waist of money. I wasn’t having fun so I let this girl go after about an hour. Next night I call GIA again and pick Alisia. She was exactly what I wanted. Total girlfriend treatment. Had her come for 3 hours and I didn’t want to let her go. We sat and had coffee and talked for a while started kissing a lot. I asked her to do a strip tease for me. She did and also striped me. Great sex and total girlfriend experience. To me “the girlfriend experience” includes being treated with affection. With Alisia it was as if I had my girlfriend come over to my apartment for a romantic evening. Before she left she said she enjoyed our time together. I do think she did. If she didn’t she was the best actress I’ve every seen. Total cost $250.00 plus a small tip.

Next evening I called Top Models and called for Tanja. The girl that came over was the girl in the photo. The girl was very pretty but the photo was probably photo shopped a little. She spoke partially no English. She did do a feeble attempt to do a strip tease. The encounter was not girlfriend but it sure was better then Kiev Escort. Both Top Models and Kiev Escorts are not agencies like GIA but just ads for agencies and free lancers. Top Models has an option to view only photos that are real. If you use this option I think you can expect the girl to be the one in the photo. The next day I had to work fairly late. After eating I figured it would be a good night to go to River Palace. For those not familiar with RP it’s a place that gets going fairly late (after midnight). I got there around 11:00 PM. Not much going on when I got there and I was thinking RP may be a waste of time. RP has had a lot of bad press lately here and gambling has been suspended in the Ukraine. But by midnight the place had filled up with woman. About 2 to 3 girls to each man. A good bargaining position. I went over to the bar next to an attractive blond. We talked for a little and stared to talk about price. She started at $300.00 but went to $250.00 quickly. I wasn’t ready to commit yet. Some guy came over and asked her to join him and some friends at their table. She gave me a look as to say, “now is the time to make a deal”. But I didn’t so off she went. I spoke with several different girls. Only a couple started at $400.00 most started at $300.00 and would negotiate from there. $200.00 seems to be the lowest you could get to with a little negotiating. $150.00 is probably possible if you wait till late and negotiate hard. I usually don’t do that. $200.00 is OK for me. Another cute blond that started out at $400.00 and came down to $300.00 right away said she wanted to leave and would go with me for $200.00, her absolute minimum. I was getting a little tried so I said OK. I should have pined down what she would do and how long would she’d stay. We got to my apartment and she was in a hurry to leave my apartment faster than RP. She was not a girlfriend experience. However she was very beautiful and had a great body. I went again to RP on Monday. My experience was for some reason Mondays are very busy with a large proportion of girls to men on Mondays. This Monday was no disappointment on that count. There were a huge amount of girls there that Monday. I picked another beauty that was good but not a girlfriend experience. My last 2 nights there I used GIA one night with Karina and my last Olesia. Karina is absolutely gorgeous she could be a model. Her photos do not do her justice. She is tall, beautiful face and a very shapely body. While she does not speak English very well. She gave me a great evening and very girlfriend experience. Next night Olesia, again a very beautiful girl and again a great evening and another great girlfriend experience. Both of these girls cost $250.00 for 2 hours. I tried to treat these girls as girlfriends and in turn they gave me a girlfriend experience.

It is my opinion that GIA is the best deal for someone like me who comes once or twice a year. The price is not excessive compared to other options. They are upfront about everything. The pictures are real, what ever the profiles say, are what you can count on. I’ve read on some of the reports here that the GIA girls are over used and tired. My experience is GIA is got the best girls with the best service. The girls seam to like what they do and will give you the best experience. About being “tired” I find them to be the most enthusiastic and affectionate. If you live in the Ukraine and are in your 20s or 30s you have lots of options. You can make use of the dating sites or pick up nonworking girls. That might be an option for those guys and be a better option. But if your in your 50s and don’t live in the Ukraine the best option is KIA. Having said that I like going to River Palace. The atmosphere, the interaction with the girls in a social setting makes it a fun evening in itself. While I haven’t been very successful at it I also like going to Shooters and Arena for the same reasons. A lot of criticism has been written here about RP. Yes it has changed over the years but it is like no other place I know of. I find it to still be a great evening even if I go home alone. Sex is just part of the enjoyment of this whole process.

Will try and get back to Kiev in the fall. Because if I don’t I‘ll have to come in the winter. Not a place I want to be when it’s 20 below zero. But I do love the Ukraine and the girls.

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AColonizer
06-04-09, 10:30
Ok, beautiful here, beautiful there, but the most important questions are:

Did you give cum injections? Did you give 1-hour no-stop anal sex? Did you give double penetration? Did you have cum play? Did you give pissing?

Because Ukrainians were born to have much more of those, all the rest is money waste.


Gentlemen; I an one of the lurkers on this thread. I only go to Kiev at most a couple of times a year and for a week to 10 days at a time. So the info. I can provide is usually not very up to date or as good as provide by you guys that live there or are there months at a time and really have a handle on what’s going on. However, for what it’s worth I’ll put my two cents worth in. Just got back to the states and spent 6 days in Kiev. Had a little work to take care of that I expected to only take 3 or 4 mornings. Didn’t quite work out that way but I had late afternoons and nights for the hobby. So no overnighters or 24 hour encounters
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First let me say right now I don’t want to get into any pissing matches with anyone over what I’m going to say. I’m going to just give you my opinion from my prospective. From what I’ve read here on this thread a lot of people will disagree with me. I have no problem with that as long as it doesn’t get personal and is kept civil. On this trip I used River Palace, GIA, Top Modals and Kiev Escort Services. I stayed at an apartment provided by Kiev Rentals. The guy who runs it is an American. In the past I usually stayed with Sherborne Guest House. I emailed Sherborne and asked what they could offer me. They came back with a price of $165.00 per night. Their apartments are very nice and provide daily maid service. I asked Kiev Rentals for a quote and they came back with $89.00 per night. There is no maid service with Kiev Rentals but the price is right and the location is right in the center of town. Both companies have their advantage and disadvantages.

My first night there I call GIA. I’ve always found them to be reliable and there are no unpleasant surprises. As I was running a little late and by the time I called they had no one to send me. I think that was the first time I had that happens to me with GIA. But the gal that answers the phone told me that one of their clients called and took all the available girls they had for the rest of the night. I was too tired from the trip and work to go to RP so I called Kiev Escort Services (my first time to call them) and asked for Alena. It wasn’t really a surprise that the girl that came was not the girl in the photo. Nor did she perform most of the items on the profile. No English as the profile said she did. No striptease as per the profile. What I usually want is a girlfriend fantasy. Lot of kissing, touching and caressing. I think we’ve all had this kind of girl who just wanted to get it over with. No kissing, didn’t really want to be there. I am realistic and realize that most girls in there 20s are not thrilled to be intimate with a 50 something guy. But, that’s the reason I’m willing to pay them more than a couple of hundred bucks to give me that fantasy. I made a big mistake booking this girl for 3 hours. I should have booked her for one hour and kept her if I like her. My mistake. Cost me $240.00. We had sex but it was a big waist of money. I wasn’t having fun so I let this girl go after about an hour. Next night I call GIA again and pick Alisia. She was exactly what I wanted. Total girlfriend treatment. Had her come for 3 hours and I didn’t want to let her go. We sat and had coffee and talked for a while started kissing a lot. I asked her to do a strip tease for me. She did and also striped me. Great sex and total girlfriend experience. To me “the girlfriend experience” includes being treated with affection. With Alisia it was as if I had my girlfriend come over to my apartment for a romantic evening. Before she left she said she enjoyed our time together. I do think she did. If she didn’t she was the best actress I’ve every seen. Total cost $250.00 plus a small tip.

Next evening I called Top Models and called for Tanja. The girl that came over was the girl in the photo. The girl was very pretty but the photo was probably photo shopped a little. She spoke partially no English. She did do a feeble attempt to do a strip tease. The encounter was not girlfriend but it sure was better then Kiev Escort. Both Top Models and Kiev Escorts are not agencies like GIA but just ads for agencies and free lancers. Top Models has an option to view only photos that are real. If you use this option I think you can expect the girl to be the one in the photo. The next day I had to work fairly late. After eating I figured it would be a good night to go to River Palace. For those not familiar with RP it’s a place that gets going fairly late (after midnight). I got there around 11:00 PM. Not much going on when I got there and I was thinking RP may be a waste of time. RP has had a lot of bad press lately here and gambling has been suspended in the Ukraine. But by midnight the place had filled up with woman. About 2 to 3 girls to each man. A good bargaining position. I went over to the bar next to an attractive blond. We talked for a little and stared to talk about price. She started at $300.00 but went to $250.00 quickly. I wasn’t ready to commit yet. Some guy came over and asked her to join him and some friends at their table. She gave me a look as to say, “now is the time to make a deal”. But I didn’t so off she went. I spoke with several different girls. Only a couple started at $400.00 most started at $300.00 and would negotiate from there. $200.00 seems to be the lowest you could get to with a little negotiating. $150.00 is probably possible if you wait till late and negotiate hard. I usually don’t do that. $200.00 is OK for me. Another cute blond that started out at $400.00 and came down to $300.00 right away said she wanted to leave and would go with me for $200.00, her absolute minimum. I was getting a little tried so I said OK. I should have pined down what she would do and how long would she’d stay. We got to my apartment and she was in a hurry to leave my apartment faster than RP. She was not a girlfriend experience. However she was very beautiful and had a great body. I went again to RP on Monday. My experience was for some reason Mondays are very busy with a large proportion of girls to men on Mondays. This Monday was no disappointment on that count. There were a huge amount of girls there that Monday. I picked another beauty that was good but not a girlfriend experience. My last 2 nights there I used GIA one night with Karina and my last Olesia. Karina is absolutely gorgeous she could be a model. Her photos do not do her justice. She is tall, beautiful face and a very shapely body. While she does not speak English very well. She gave me a great evening and very girlfriend experience. Next night Olesia, again a very beautiful girl and again a great evening and another great girlfriend experience. Both of these girls cost $250.00 for 2 hours. I tried to treat these girls as girlfriends and in turn they gave me a girlfriend experience.

It is my opinion that GIA is the best deal for someone like me who comes once or twice a year. The price is not excessive compared to other options. They are upfront about everything. The pictures are real, what ever the profiles say, are what you can count on. I’ve read on some of the reports here that the GIA girls are over used and tired. My experience is GIA is got the best girls with the best service. The girls seam to like what they do and will give you the best experience. About being “tired” I find them to be the most enthusiastic and affectionate. If you live in the Ukraine and are in your 20s or 30s you have lots of options. You can make use of the dating sites or pick up nonworking girls. That might be an option for those guys and be a better option. But if your in your 50s and don’t live in the Ukraine the best option is KIA. Having said that I like going to River Palace. The atmosphere, the interaction with the girls in a social setting makes it a fun evening in itself. While I haven’t been very successful at it I also like going to Shooters and Arena for the same reasons. A lot of criticism has been written here about RP. Yes it has changed over the years but it is like no other place I know of. I find it to still be a great evening even if I go home alone. Sex is just part of the enjoyment of this whole process.

Will try and get back to Kiev in the fall. Because if I don’t I‘ll have to come in the winter. Not a place I want to be when it’s 20 below zero. But I do love the Ukraine and the girls.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Piper1
06-04-09, 15:22
I've re-arranged my one-week business trip for July. Five nights in London (where I'll check out Lady Marmalade parties plus a couple of swingers clubs with an online date or two) and only two nights in Kiev on the way home to Dubai. Can anyone recommend a decent GF hotel or apartment near the clubs for two nights?

Piper1
06-05-09, 00:03
Great report JtownJoe. Since I'll only be in Kiev two nights you've inspired me to try Gia escorts at least one night. A relaxing night in the apartment with jacuzzi, food, drinks and a stunner - maybe some lingerie gifts to get things warmed up. Not bad for around $250 for a few hours - I'll probably save $100 in food drinks etc by staying in and ordering 'home delivery' anyway.

So far my preferences are either Polina or Zoya. Has anyone here had their pleasure and would like to report?

Poisson1
06-05-09, 02:03
After reading JTownJoe's report I decided to go for the GIA experience.

I called GIA twice and all the girls were booked. It's better to call before 10.00pm if you want a chance to get a girl. So I skipped the GIA experience and went to the top-models web site. I searched for english speaking and "real photo" criteria. Many of the numbers are not valid anymore. So I dediced to pick up the most recent ad (select sort by date). And I must thank God for this chance, I picked Masha: http://www.top-models.com. Ua/? Id=2535

My experience is very simple: photos are real, she is even better in real. A very charming and adorable young blond girl. I had one of my best GFE experience ever. I stayed for more than 2 hours in her very clean apartment and gave her 200 US$; we had a very nice evening together chating, playing and having very good sex. She told me that she is selective with the guys. If you are gentle and respect her. She will give it back to you in double. She told me that she used to work at GIA and she was very positive about it. So next time I'll go again with Masha and try a GIA girl. I had a few weeks ago a RP experience and it's actually fun but I'll do it just once. The girls try to spend 1h with you and run quickly back home.

Good luck in your hunting,

Poisson1

JtownJoe
06-05-09, 05:23
acolonizer

i had covered vaginal sex to a climax with all my 7 encounters. anal isn’t really my thing. however it is available from many of the girls at gia. and top models. alisa of gia offers it for an additional $50.00. if it’s on their menu i’m sure you can get it. for an hour i don’t know. i myself would find it more like work to go for an hour either vaginally or anally. my modus operanda is to play and work up to the vaginal sex. i spend time and enjoy the whole process with kissing, touching, caressing. vaginal sex to me is the climax both figuratively and actually. by the time i get to that i’m usually so worked up i can only last maybe 15 min. at best. and that is if i am trying to hold back. again i’m not into "[CodeWord101] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101)" either receiving or giving. i’ve seen it on the menu of top models and kiev escorts but i’d be sure to ask about it when you call to set up the appointment. i’m sure it can be arranged for a price. as far as double penetration i’m not sure what you mean. to me double penetration would be two guys and one girl one vaginal and one anally. some years back i was very active in a swingers club. some of the girls had fantasies of being double penetrated. i participated in a couple of those. i always tried to get on the bottom and do the vagina. you asked if i had "cum play". i have to plead ignorance of that term. i’m guessing i didn’t. i also think you and i have different objectives of what we want out of our encounters. what we consider as waist of money are probable very different. sex for each person has very personal preferences and as long as all the people involved are agreeable there is no right or wrong.

piper1

piper, something i have started to experience with gia the last couple of times in kiev is not all the girls are available when i call. i usually call only a few hours before i want someone to come over. they, text me back with who is available for the evening. if you want a particular girl it might be a good idea to call them a couple of days ahead to set up you appointment. i’m not sure that will work with ever girl but it’s got to give you better odds if you want a particular girl. i think polina is very pretty but i probably wouldn’t pick her, as she doesn’t do "oral without". be sure to read their profiles. one of the great things about gia is the accuracy of the profiles. if they have it on the profile then they do it. zoya looks really good. she doesn’t speak english and she is more expensive then a lot of the others but she look real good. if you do go with her please write a report on her. i would be very interested in you comments on her.

Piper1
06-05-09, 13:51
Piper ...If you want a particular girl it might be a good idea to call them a couple of days ahead to set up you appointment. ... I think Polina is very pretty but I probably wouldn’t pick her, as she doesn’t do "oral without". Be sure to read their profiles. ...Zoya looks really good. She doesn’t speak English and she is more expensive then a lot of the others If you do go with her please write a report on her. I would be very interested in you comments on her.Good advice Joe. I'll probably call the day before, although I prefer spontaneous arrangements. Yes, Polina's profile says CBJ, but therein lies the challenge to get BBBJ. ;) Also her English is good. Zoya is more expensive, and speaks little English, but stunning. Decisions decisions. Maybe I should take IT Travel's recommendation and try the voluptuous Sabina - she looks like a chubby wild one.

Gia is always a good backup. By the way if you want a real pig (but no English at all), playing with your cum on her tongue you could try Sabina, I think the age is right, only that she is close to 180 and 70/75 kg and have DDD sized tits with huge nipples! Perfect for titfuck and COF and heavy duty sex! Not a beauty but really horny! (better if you manage to get her a little drunk).

AColonizer
06-05-09, 18:08
dear jtownjoe,

i want to avoid to talk about gia and all other "istitutions" for western foreigners, they don't deserve any words because, first of all, it is silly to pay flight + accommodation + sex at the same rates of our country of origin (except for australia).

now we easily find in kiev an over-night sex for 300/350$, oral, vaginal, anal (and, if you like, all without condom), therefore why to call gia and to pay much more for old women (older than 24 years old), almost all no swallow blowjob, almost all no anal sex, as a standard service??? all ukrainians usually make oral, vaginal and anal, above all prostitutes!

read wise posts here, don't read advertisements here. read masters' posts and think you could do better.

at last, i say: you want an easy fuck, come to my road in italy and you will find a lot of nice romanians for 30 euros and meanwhile you will enjoy the most beautiful country in the world.

but sex is an art. all ukrainians are artists ready to do much more than a vaginal fuck. we go to ukraine to make art with beautiful ukrainians. but to get the average sex by ukrainians, we must act as ukrainians, otherwise we are cheated only. ukrainians are happy to please real men and, at the same time, they are fierce with silly men.


acolonizer

i had covered vaginal sex to a climax with all my 7 encounters. anal isn’t really my thing. however it is available from many of the girls at gia. and top models. alisa of gia offers it for an additional $50.00. if it’s on their menu i’m sure you can get it. for an hour i don’t know. i myself would find it more like work to go for an hour either vaginally or anally. my modus operanda is to play and work up to the vaginal sex. i spend time and enjoy the whole process with kissing, touching, caressing. vaginal sex to me is the climax both figuratively and actually. by the time i get to that i’m usually so worked up i can only last maybe 15 min. at best. and that is if i am trying to hold back. again i’m not into "[CodeWord101] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101)" either receiving or giving. i’ve seen it on the menu of top models and kiev escorts but i’d be sure to ask about it when you call to set up the appointment. i’m sure it can be arranged for a price. as far as double penetration i’m not sure what you mean. to me double penetration would be two guys and one girl one vaginal and one anally. some years back i was very active in a swingers club. some of the girls had fantasies of being double penetrated. i participated in a couple of those. i always tried to get on the bottom and do the vagina. you asked if i had "cum play". i have to plead ignorance of that term. i’m guessing i didn’t. i also think you and i have different objectives of what we want out of our encounters. what we consider as waist of money are probable very different. sex for each person has very personal preferences and as long as all the people involved are agreeable there is no right or wrong.

piper1

piper, something i have started to experience with gia the last couple of times in kiev is not all the girls are available when i call. i usually call only a few hours before i want someone to come over. they, text me back with who is available for the evening. if you want a particular girl it might be a good idea to call them a couple of days ahead to set up you appointment. i’m not sure that will work with ever girl but it’s got to give you better odds if you want a particular girl. i think polina is very pretty but i probably wouldn’t pick her, as she doesn’t do "oral without". be sure to read their profiles. one of the great things about gia is the accuracy of the profiles. if they have it on the profile then they do it. zoya looks really good. she doesn’t speak english and she is more expensive then a lot of the others but she look real good. if you do go with her please write a report on her. i would be very interested in you comments on her.

Bez Bezarra
06-05-09, 19:25
But sex is an art. All ukrainians are artists ready to do much more than a vaginal fuck. We go to Ukraine to make art with beautiful Ukrainians. But to get the average sex by Ukrainians, we must act as Ukrainians, otherwise we are cheated only. Ukrainians are happy to please real men and, at the same time, they are fierce with silly men.



Somewhere between all the exploration of orifices and come play, you finally are writing very well!

But also, its not necessary to generalize or suggest that the we should all have similar tastes or desires.

Remember the most important thing, is that WE ALL DON'T WANT THE SAME THING!

If we did, life would be incredibly boring.

All the willing tramps, sluts, skanks, ho-bags, amateurs, and pros in Ukraina deserve some monger's cock and cash.

AColonizer
06-05-09, 20:08
Dear Bez,

Apart from all comments here, there is no doubts, happiness is to have sex with no money, in any forms. I just remind that. And money is not enough to have good sex because, first of all, it is necessary to know the art of sex.


Somewhere between all the exploration of orifices and come play, you finally are writing very well!

But also, its not necessary to generalize or suggest that the we should all have similar tastes or desires.

Remember the most important thing, is that WE ALL DON'T WANT THE SAME THING!

If we did, life would be incredibly boring.

All the willing tramps, sluts, skanks, ho-bags, amateurs, and pros in Ukraina deserve some monger's cock and cash.

Piper1
06-05-09, 21:19
I want to avoid to talk about GIA and all other "istitutions" for Western foreigners, they don't deserve any words because, first of all, it is silly to pay flight + accommodation + sex at the same rates of our country of origin (except for Australia). Dear Alco,

Consider the fact that others are not necessarily in the same circumstances as you. Eg, my two nights in Kiev are layover nights from a London business trip back home to Dubai (and cheaper than flying London-Dubai direct). So, not only is my time in Kiev no extra expense, it's actually a subsidised two-night fuckfest.

As for orifice exploration, my experience has shown that even if girls specify upfront "No BBBJ or anal", they often change their wild mind in the heat of the moment if you get them into a frenzy and make the right non-verbal moves (Tip: never ask verbally, just get on with it and keep the momentum going - shoot first, ask questions later). Success is good for the ego, the endorphins and the penis. :D

Eros74
06-06-09, 01:20
I always enjoyed your post, when I found them reading the forum.

I think actually you are the one with the biggest numbers of posts, congratulation for it and thanks to be so that active ! ;)

I agree with you but I am not sure if I understood well the last sentence you wrote, do you ask in advance if she does bbbj/anal or not considering you meet her in a pick up bar ?

And if you ask and she says no, do you go forward with hope to be enough good to convince her or do you search for another one ?

I ask always in advance and if in short time she does not change her mind, I search another one, cause I like to know what I am getting.

I know, sometime it breaks the chemistry to ask this and that, even if you try to do it in funny way, but I do not like not-pleasent surprise later in the bed and a covered bj with girl I really like is not nice surprise at all ;) Even worst if she says she DFK only with her boyfriend or bullshits like that.

And have a nice travel back to Dubai ;)

Piper1
06-06-09, 03:47
Lukasek,

No secret recipe. I'm a laid-back confident guy (sorry to be immodest). I go with the flow, and the girls seem to like it. I have fun, they have fun.

But I think you knew the recipe already. ;)

JtownJoe
06-06-09, 10:13
Acolonizer

When you speak of the best sex is free I kind of agree and disagree. I think most of us would agree that the best sex we’ve ever had has been with girlfriends or wives. I’ve had both a wife and girlfriends. Currently I’ve got a girlfriend. Curiously about a year ago I calculated what it cost me to have a girlfriend. I came up with a least $20,000.00 a year. If I use that cost as if it were for sex I came up with a cost of $220.00 per pop. If figured 52 weeks less a week per month (12 weeks) to allow for her period and 10 more weeks for my being gone out of town. It gives a total of 30 weeks times the approx.3 times a week we have sex makes it about 90 times a year we have sex. $20,000.00 divided by 90 gives me a cost of a little more then $220.00 per pop. If we apply that same formula to a wife I don’t even want to know. I know we have wives and girlfriend for more then just sex. But lets face it the sex part is not total free.

On another matter I have been to Italy, your country several times. I agree with you it is a beautiful country and with a very rich and almost unbilviable history. I also find it to be a very romantic country. And consequently I’ve always taken a girlfriend with me. I’ve always said if you want to fall in love take a girl to the Amalfi Coast. What does surprise me is the cost of P4P. I found Italy to be much more expensive than the US or most of other parts of Europe. Of course that has a lot to do with the exchange rate at the time. But even with out the exchange rate factor it has some cost that just are a lot higher. I wanted to buy an Armani suit. I check it out the Galleria in Dallas. The cost was $ $1500.00. At the Armani store in Rome the same suit was $1850.00. The cost of food at restaurants in Italy (both well know and the ones the local people go to) is much higher then in the US. So I am surprised that the P4P is so cheap. But you live there and would know.

You mention being able to have a girl all-night for $300.00 to $350.00 in the Ukraine. I sure would appreciate it, if you can give me a contact number for that.

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Angus100
06-06-09, 13:54
So any info on Zoya? Is she worth the trouble?

I'm definitely interested in her look, but is her service up to par?

AColonizer
06-07-09, 16:44
I like your honest reply, this is the kind of reply that I would like always to receive when people disagree with me.

You have talked about money and, in fact, this is matter of all life.

I need to remind how women think about men and the world, they think everybody and everything according to their material purposes. Women tell the word "love" just to confuse men and men are just means, or tools, to get women's material purposes.

I have already written which women's material purposes are: a prompt penis, children, economic stability, social consideration etc.

A relationship with a woman lasts until her man gives her what she wants and more than other men. A relationship with a woman ends when she is not satisfied by her man anymore, therefore she says "you don't love me because dots dots dots ".

I agree with you, indeed, when you calculate the cost of girlfriends and wives. I think you should improve your accountancy with prostitutes because they make customers to pay every single word too.

I need to remind that prostitutes' hourly price is normally included the standard service that means a swallow blowjob + vaginal or anal sex.

This is extremely important to remember because, if people pay 100$/first hour and they get just a cbj and a vaginal sex, this means people get half standard service therefore they donate 50$. And this is extremely dangerous because this could become the new, and lowest, standard service. This is the reason because the negotiation has become much harder year by year.

About Italy, it is another long story, I agree with you but I know the environment better than you and I found two prostitutes (one Hungarian and one Ukrainian) among the best, nicest, piggest, sweetest, youngest, femalest girls, in the world, for cheap money. I found another one in Kiev. Unfortunately, all of them have disappeared now.

For more information about Kiev and Italy, it is better you PM me. Cheers.


Acolonizer

When you speak of the best sex is free I kind of agree and disagree. I think most of us would agree that the best sex we’ve ever had has been with girlfriends or wives. I’ve had both a wife and girlfriends. Currently I’ve got a girlfriend. Curiously about a year ago I calculated what it cost me to have a girlfriend. I came up with a least $20,000.00 a year. If I use that cost as if it were for sex I came up with a cost of $220.00 per pop. If figured 52 weeks less a week per month (12 weeks) to allow for her period and 10 more weeks for my being gone out of town. It gives a total of 30 weeks times the approx.3 times a week we have sex makes it about 90 times a year we have sex. $20,000.00 divided by 90 gives me a cost of a little more then $220.00 per pop. If we apply that same formula to a wife I don’t even want to know. I know we have wives and girlfriend for more then just sex. But lets face it the sex part is not total free.

On another matter I have been to Italy, your country several times. I agree with you it is a beautiful country and with a very rich and almost unbilviable history. I also find it to be a very romantic country. And consequently I’ve always taken a girlfriend with me. I’ve always said if you want to fall in love take a girl to the Amalfi Coast. What does surprise me is the cost of P4P. I found Italy to be much more expensive than the US or most of other parts of Europe. Of course that has a lot to do with the exchange rate at the time. But even with out the exchange rate factor it has some cost that just are a lot higher. I wanted to buy an Armani suit. I check it out the Galleria in Dallas. The cost was $ $1500.00. At the Armani store in Rome the same suit was $1850.00. The cost of food at restaurants in Italy (both well know and the ones the local people go to) is much higher then in the US. So I am surprised that the P4P is so cheap. But you live there and would know.

You mention being able to have a girl all-night for $300.00 to $350.00 in the Ukraine. I sure would appreciate it, if you can give me a contact number for that.

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Royal21
06-10-09, 22:23
Great report JtownJoe. Since I'll only be in Kiev two nights you've inspired me to try Gia escorts at least one night. A relaxing night in the apartment with jacuzzi, food, drinks and a stunner - maybe some lingerie gifts to get things warmed up. Not bad for around $250 for a few hours - I'll probably save $100 in food drinks etc by staying in and ordering 'home delivery' anyway.

So far my preferences are either Polina or Zoya. Has anyone here had their pleasure and would like to report?

Dear Piper

That Polina girl has boobies to die for. One of the firmest I ever handled. English was so so but not bad. I can tell more in PM if you need to know anything specific.

Regards,
R21

Piper1
06-10-09, 23:07
Dear Piper

That Polina girl has boobies to die for. One of the firmest I ever handled. English was so so but not bad. I can tell more in PM if you need to know anything specific.

Regards,
R21I just finished booking my flights - still looking for a good apartment online as we speak. Please tell us more about Polina - eg how was her attitude? No need for PM - post it on the forum - sharing is caring. ;)

I'm still debating whether to book Polina or the smokin' hot Zoya for a few hours. Apparently Polina's English is okay, but Zoya's is not. Then again, some of my best sessions have been with girls who don't speak English. In fact my best session recently was with a deaf-mute girl in Bangkok a few weeks ago who didn't speak at all - she just made noises like "Ohh! Haw! Ohhh! Haw!" while we fucked heartily. Great fun.

Diceman
06-11-09, 01:15
Wondered if anyone knew of a real good sauna/spa in or around kiev? Don't really want to go to a hotel type place, I mean the real deal type place with turkish rooms, steam/sauna, plunge pool and relax area, I want one thats unisex as might take some company with me. Also any salons in the city that offer a bit massage with a happy ending?

LifeSavour
06-11-09, 15:17
All saunas in UKR are uni-sex. Actually they are FOR sex.

90% of the bookings are guys fucking 'strange'!

There are many. I have some contacts for saunas in the 'burbs' that are cheap, you get the whole place, you can sit and eat / drink/ there is a fuck room, cold, hot pool, dry sauna, massage table.

WHAT you want?

JohnTodd
06-11-09, 16:28
Day 1 visited River Palace, outstanding selection of tallent, perhaps 200 ladies. Spoke to several early in the evening they were asking $300, by 3:00am selected Krisna, about 30 yrs old, blond, excellent body, her rate was $100 per the hour, she stayed the whole hour. Her services were cbj, positione, etc, great attitude, did not want her photo taken.
Was at Premier Palace, no problem at all bringing her back.

Day two went to the Atrium City, good place to be a girl watcher, but I did not see any available tallent. Went to the kieve escorts site, found Vika, called there was a lady who spoke good English, an hour later Vika arrived, fee 600 Ukraine Dollars, everything was on the menue, she did cbj, positions, MSOG, 69, etc. She is 22 yrs old 5' tall, 95 lbs, 32B 24 32, great skin, freindly, little english, but vocal.

Diceman
06-11-09, 20:26
All saunas in UKR are uni-sex. Actually they are FOR sex.

90% of the bookings are guys fucking 'strange'!

There are many. I have some contacts for saunas in the 'burbs' that are cheap, you get the whole place, you can sit and eat / drink/ there is a fuck room, cold, hot pool, dry sauna, massage table.

WHAT you want?Thanks but a public one is all I'm after, as they usually have good facilities, I heard the hyatt hotel had a decent one, can anyone confirm?

Royal21
06-11-09, 20:34
I just finished booking my flights - still looking for a good apartment online as we speak. Please tell us more about Polina - eg how was her attitude? No need for PM - post it on the forum - sharing is caring. ;)

I'm still debating whether to book Polina or the smokin' hot Zoya for a few hours. Apparently Polina's English is okay, but Zoya's is not. Then again, some of my best sessions have been with girls who don't speak English. In fact my best session recently was with a deaf-mute girl in Bangkok a few weeks ago who didn't speak at all - she just made noises like "Ohh! Haw! Ohhh! Haw!" while we fucked heartily. Great fun.

I tried her last december waiting for the rain to stop before I ventured out. I am ok with snow but do not like rain. This was my first experience with a delivery service. I usually like sampling the variety for a chemistry before I make my pick.
The apartment I was in, only had a local land phone and apparently most of the other online places have cell phone numbers. GIA's website has a call back feature which I used and they were prompt in calling back. Pollina was available and came over in half an hour or so. I had agreed on one hour (as opposed to my preference for all nighters).
She was slim, i dont remember anything particular about her ass but its her boobies that take all the attention. Attitude is ok I guess, somewhere between mechanical and gfe. But again I am more used to the club environment or talking over internet. She almost made me cum with a bj, while I was playing with her boobies. One thing that I remember vividly is me sucking her nipples and she started nudging my cock with her knee (i was lying down on the bed). That was very cool.

Jaggerbowski
06-12-09, 01:08
I had Polina last summer, in late July.

She was nice, and hot, and after I made her blow a gasket (note: continuous), she turned into a fuckin' animal.

Only downside was 4 semi-shit pics, but those breasts were beyond spectacular.

I've got her arranged for a return engagement later.

Dr. J.

JesseJames
06-12-09, 08:14
Day 1 visited River Palace, outstanding selection of tallent, perhaps 200 ladies. Spoke to several early in the evening they were asking $300, by 3:00am selected Krisna, about 30 yrs old, blond, excellent body, her rate was $100 per the hour, she stayed the whole hour. Her services were cbj, positione, etc, great attitude, did not want her photo taken.
Was at Premier Palace, no problem at all bringing her back.

Day two went to the Atrium City, good place to be a girl watcher, but I did not see any available tallent. Went to the kieve escorts site, found Vika, called there was a lady who spoke good English, an hour later Vika arrived, fee 600 Ukraine Dollars, everything was on the menue, she did cbj, positions, MSOG, 69, etc. She is 22 yrs old 5' tall, 95 lbs, 32B 24 32, great skin, freindly, little english, but vocal.

I'm thinking abut making a stop over in Kiev for a couple of days, but it seems expensive for playing around after seeing the castles and stuff. Are there any cheap thrlls around? SW,free lance something like that for 40-50 Eu. I just can't see paying almost NYC prices in a place without an economy. Not to mention my economy.

AColonizer
06-12-09, 11:48
I want to go in and, like all men, to get an erotic massage with a deepthroat-swallow-blowjob ending.

I am always angry when all girls ask my citinzenship and all of them answer "no sex" or "all with condom here": but I see clearly a deepthroat from outside throught the window!

And the same situation in stripclubs, I see sex but girls always "no, no, no" with no matter about money!

90% of the bookings are guys fucking 'strange'!

There are many. I have some contacts for saunas in the 'burbs' that are cheap, you get the whole place, you can sit and eat / drink/ there is a fuck room, cold, hot pool, dry sauna, massage table.

WHAT you want?[/QUOTE]

It Travel
06-12-09, 12:51
Good advice Joe. I'll probably call the day before, although I prefer spontaneous arrangements. Yes, Polina's profile says CBJ, but therein lies the challenge to get BBBJ. ;) Also her English is good. Zoya is more expensive, and speaks little English, but stunning. Decisions decisions. Maybe I should take IT Travel's recommendation and try the voluptuous Sabina - she looks like a chubby wild one.

Sabina (former name Sveta) is not bat at all... 175 or so 75 kg DDD cups huge nipples soft body, very energetic, huge clito! And when i nailed her she still got wet... and she seems a w h o r e more the a w h o r e :D and some time I like this! She arrived with a very short white fur and a striped military sweter... very open with a super push up bra (with DDD tits you can imagine)... the babuska in the entrance looked at this 190 cm tall (huge heels) f*king animal... protesting somehow :D I remember that next evening I nailed MT the opposite... 45 kg and A cups you need to change! I was afraid to hurt her...

BBBJ CIM COF cum on tits are no problem at all, but sometimes she is a little strange, (GFE not good) so keep her with some drinks (not juice) take a Cialis and take her for 10 hours (maximum), perfect would be from 14.00 to 24.00 So she do not ask you to go to dance! But if you are not prepaired to go to dinner with a real W h o r e looking girl take some food home!

She is exactly what I call a heavy duty sex machine I do not remember now but I surely cummed 6 or 7 times (thanks Cialis!)... of course the favourte would be cow girl looking at those huge things, she really fucks you! And the a proper BBBJ-tit fuck with final glazing... or CIM if you prefer.

She allowed me to picture only her clito foreskin and the pussy ! :( of course the Gia pics are photoshopped, but... always a good backup but call well before 23.30!

IT

PS here you can read the original report and even look at pussy pics! the price was 400 USD for 12 hours now its 450 for 10... but I was doing wrong taking her for the night (i like real drilling in the morning!) but she is a girl to send home at midnight 1 am... And I'm sure you will sleep very well... :p
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=535097&postcount=2298

Piper1
06-12-09, 16:43
Sveta/Sabina from Gia

[After many sessions of wild sex] her attitude turned around completely. ...
It seemed out that before coming she was drinking or taking drugs, the effect went off after four/five hours and It was a disaster.Nice report IT. I think you're right about the drugs - she was probably on Coke or Ice - and that's probably why she wanted to go out at 2am and 'come back' at 5am - to get a re-charge of her drug of choice once she had your payment in her hand. Once the drug starts to wear off, addicts get agitated.

Same thing happened to me recently in Thailand - the girl just wouldn't stop fucking and sucking all night, like nothing I've seen before - wild wild wild - then after some hours she got agitated. I let her go at 6am because she had exhausted me and wouldn't sleep, but she came back to my hotel by surprise at 8am for two more rounds. She had earlier offered to get some Ice for us to "smoke and get very horny" but I refused. In retrospect I realized she used her payment to go out and buy some Ice, then returned for more sex. I was in a sleepy daze and caught by surprise when she returned at 8am knocking on my door loudly, so I let her in, thinking she just needed somewhere to sleep. Boy was I wrong - she fucked twice more like a banshee, then wanted even more sex! I had to plead with her to let me sleep. I got a few hours broken sleep while she watched TV to 1:00pm.

The next few days in Thailand she stalked and harrassed me until I set her straight, but that's another story (see Thailand/Pattaya thread if interested).

Piper1
06-12-09, 17:20
She was slim, i dont remember anything particular about her ass but its her boobies that take all the attention. Attitude is ok I guess, somewhere between mechanical and gfe. But again I am more used to the club environment or talking over internet. Thanks for the feedback on Polina. Like you, I prefer picking up a girl after a chat and a few laughs at a club, rather than home-delivery.

As for internet dates, I've been trying that also. Because my Russian isn't very good, I'm focusing on English-speaking girls on myspace and facebook - most of whom are not naughty. I'm offering girls around Ukraine and the UK "my generosity, support, fun company and all-expenses-paid travel, accommodation and shopping in London and Kiev" ("shopping" always gets them!). In return I'm asking for "nights out and nights in with an open-minded adventurous special girl". My proposition is pretty direct, because I don't want to waste time ''courting" (my one-week London/Kiev trip will be too short for courting).

So far the replies from girls in both Ukraine and the UK have ranged from "I'm not a w h o r e - I'm offended by your proposition!" to "Not for me, but good luck!" to "I'm interested, please tell me more!" Will see how it goes. Sometimes it works out well. I had a lot of fun using myspace with a 20 y.o cute French-Arab shy student who took the express train from Paris to stay with me in Amsterdam for a weekend (her mother kept calling to ask where she was), and a 28 y.o. Indian-Brit crazy nympho stunner (a lawyer) who took the Chunnel-train from London to stay with me in Paris for a long weekend. But I find it a lot of hard work entertaining a girl I just met for 24 hours a day. Sometimes it's just easier and just as much fun to take a good hooker for the night then let her go. Depends on my mood and how much spare time I have.

BionicMan
06-12-09, 17:47
Acolonizer

When you speak of the best sex is free I kind of agree and disagree. I think most of us would agree that the best sex we’ve ever had has been with girlfriends or wives. I’ve had both a wife and girlfriends. Currently I’ve got a girlfriend. Curiously about a year ago I calculated what it cost me to have a girlfriend. I came up with a least $20,000.00 a year. If I use that cost as if it were for sex I came up with a cost of $220.00 per pop. If figured 52 weeks less a week per month (12 weeks) to allow for her period and 10 more weeks for my being gone out of town. It gives a total of 30 weeks times the approx.3 times a week we have sex makes it about 90 times a year we have sex. $20,000.00 divided by 90 gives me a cost of a little more then $220.00 per pop. If we apply that same formula to a wife I don’t even want to know. I know we have wives and girlfriend for more then just sex. But lets face it the sex part is not total free.

On another matter I have been to Italy, your country several times. I agree with you it is a beautiful country and with a very rich and almost unbilviable history. I also find it to be a very romantic country. And consequently I’ve always taken a girlfriend with me. I’ve always said if you want to fall in love take a girl to the Amalfi Coast. What does surprise me is the cost of P4P. I found Italy to be much more expensive than the US or most of other parts of Europe. Of course that has a lot to do with the exchange rate at the time. But even with out the exchange rate factor it has some cost that just are a lot higher. I wanted to buy an Armani suit. I check it out the Galleria in Dallas. The cost was $ $1500.00. At the Armani store in Rome the same suit was $1850.00. The cost of food at restaurants in Italy (both well know and the ones the local people go to) is much higher then in the US. So I am surprised that the P4P is so cheap. But you live there and would know.

You mention being able to have a girl all-night for $300.00 to $350.00 in the Ukraine. I sure would appreciate it, if you can give me a contact number for that.

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I agree on girl costs... :))
I do not agree on the Armani suit.
The price in Dallas of 1500$could well be before state tax.
All retail prices in Italy do have to include the 20% VAT: 1850$ less VAT makes it 1541$. So you see the difference is not that much.
Do not worry, big corporates do not make internal competition.
I bought a Prada bag in HongKong for wife (tell me about the cost of wifes!) as out of stock in Italy and costed me 10% than in Milan....taking into account the different taxation it was then +20% at least
Food price in Italy can vary.
There are not much of the family restaurants chains as in US, where you can eat for 20/25$ (I do not refer to Bob Evans!).
But also a large variety of mid price. The matter of the fact is that in Europe today I cannot eat decently with less than 35/45€ without even indulging in wine.
Price-wise wine in italian restaurants is never reaching the level of US' (or then you have a superb exclusive wine, but then it'll be still cheapr than the same bottle in US)

AColonizer
06-13-09, 13:10
It has happened something strange with my previous post. I report it again, I hope in the right way:

I want to go in and, like all men, to get an erotic massage with a deepthroat-swallow-blowjob ending.

I am always angry when all girls ask my citinzenship and all of them answer "no sex" or "all with condom here": but I see clearly a deepthroat from outside throught the window!

And the same situation in stripclubs, I see sex but girls always "no, no, no" with no matter about money!

Therefore, please LifeSavour, explain how to get swallow blowjobs in massage salons and stripclubs.


All saunas in UKR are uni-sex. Actually they are FOR sex.

90% of the bookings are guys fucking 'strange'!

There are many. I have some contacts for saunas in the 'burbs' that are cheap, you get the whole place, you can sit and eat / drink/ there is a fuck room, cold, hot pool, dry sauna, massage table.

WHAT you want?

Qjump
06-14-09, 06:17
It has happened something strange with my previous post. I report it again, I hope in the right way:

I want to go in and, like all men, to get an erotic massage with a deepthroat-swallow-blowjob ending.

I am always angry when all girls ask my citinzenship and all of them answer "no sex" or "all with condom here": but I see clearly a deepthroat from outside throught the window!

And the same situation in stripclubs, I see sex but girls always "no, no, no" with no matter about money!

Therefore, please LifeSavour, explain how to get swallow blowjobs in massage salons and stripclubs.

I will explain to you its all about attitude, and yours stinks............. I am not the only one who keeps telling you

Horn Dog
06-14-09, 14:54
Dnepropetrovsk was a bust, so here I was hoping that Kiev would be better. Moved into an apartment near Khreschatyk st that I found on http://www.kievapts.com with the help of the hot and friendly Natalia, tall, skinny blonde. Got had a couple of grifters at the metro station. Guy in front of me drops a wad of cash, so I pick it up and return it to him. Another guy comes along claiming to be a plain clothes cop, pulls out his ID, to my non-Russian alphabet reading eyes that's what it looked like anyway. Asks what's the problem. First guy says that he dropped his money and that I had just returned it. Says he signed every bill and takes out his ID to show his signature mathched the ones on the bills. Now he claims that he's missing some bills. Cop asks for my passport and to show my cash. Dumbo! Should have known that con by about now but I wasn't thinking then and my Russian speaking buddy was at the Double Coffee shop watching the chicks on Khreschatyk. Anyway, I was staying at the Tiso apartments last night, way out in BFE, and decided to check out Luda from http://www.kievprivat.com/ since I had a good experience with them on the last trip. She showed up right on the dot. A little blonde, who seem to cover everything on the money which I confirmed with the operator. We had some coffee a little chit chat, she showered and boy, this girl is wild. Anal is extra it seems but no problem with me having my thumb in it while we were doing doggy. Everything covered. DFK. We took a break and a smoke and went at it again. Her operator called her to ask if I wanted a second hour, which I declined but she stayed on for about another 45 minutes talking. She's never seen her pictures on the website. She was even wearing the same lingerie! Same story as most girls here, single mom, divorced. She expects another couple of months before she has enough money and call it quits. Wouldn't mind seeing her again, but I got another date set up tonight with a girl from flirt.com. Ua which I'm bringing my Russian speaking friend with.

To be continued.

Uke Boy
06-14-09, 19:27
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]

I am always angry when all girls ask my citinzenship and all of them answer "no sex" or "all with condom here": but I see clearly a deepthroat from outside throught the window!


Colon,

You are truly one sick puppy.

First, since you asked LS to explain, please do tell us the exact names of the places where you went in and observed a massage with a deep throat BJ? These are places I never want to enter. In my time here, I have never been to such a place and never want to be. I am not in the business of being a vouyer as you are. Now if you are watching from the street into an open window, I hope someone arrests you and takes you away for a long time.

At least now we have an idea of what your real problem is with women. You are one angry client (self-confessed) and of course that attitude the girl can see and understand. No wonder you can't get anywhere, your attitude is a huge handicap.

We really are tired of your complaints since we now know from you that you are incapable of any "normal" behavior.

As is said, don't go away mad, just go away, please.

AColonizer
06-14-09, 20:47
Please, here smart people only, wussies at home!

Here I prove again again again "your" sweet and tender girls are just great liers about everything, firstly about feelings, and secondly they are racist because they have great differences between locals and foreigners.

My reports are facts that I saw with my own eyes. Everybody could see what I saw because the window was in front of a street, just a stupid couldn't or wouldn't see what I saw in a massage salon and in a stripclub, open the eyes is enough.

Mongering means money/sex dealing, mongering is not charities, above all because girls are liers with no shame. If you are not looking for hard sex but just for sweet words from tender girls, please stay at home! Here girls are caring as much as fierce with their men.

I remember when I have been in San Francisco, just the first time, most girls in stripclubs asked "Do you want a blowjob? " or "Do you want sex? " and they had the same behaviour with foreigners and locals.

Please, stay at home, it is enough you are cheated by girls of your country, it is disaster for all of us if you are cheated by girls in Ukraine too.


[QUOTE=Acolonizer]I am always angry when all girls ask my citinzenship and all of them answer "no sex" or "all with condom here": but I see clearly a deepthroat from outside throught the window!

Colon,

You are truly one sick puppy.

First, since you asked LS to explain, please do tell us the exact names of the places where you went in and observed a massage with a deep throat BJ? These are places I never want to enter. In my time here, I have never been to such a place and never want to be. I am not in the business of being a vouyer as you are. Now if you are watching from the street into an open window, I hope someone arrests you and takes you away for a long time.

At least now we have an idea of what your real problem is with women. You are one angry client (self-confessed) and of course that attitude the girl can see and understand. No wonder you can't get anywhere, your attitude is a huge handicap.

We really are tired of your complaints since we now know from you that you are incapable of any "normal" behavior.

As is said, don't go away mad, just go away, please.

Uke Boy
06-15-09, 23:36
Please, stay at home, it is enough you are cheated by girls of your country, it is disaster for all of us if you are cheated by girls in Ukraine too.

[QUOTE=Uke Boy]

Colon, why don't you just take your own advice and "stay at home" and if you need to, write about what you might possibly know a little bit about, namely your Italy and not about Ukraine.

I have been cheated perhaps once in all my years here and your complaints are just plain wrong and tiresome. Again, go away, please, permanently if possible.

Explorer69
06-16-09, 07:10
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Please, stay at home, it is enough you are cheated by girls of your country, it is disaster for all of us if you are cheated by girls in Ukraine too.

Colon, why don't you just take your own advice and "stay at home" and if you need to, write about what you might possibly know a little bit about, namely your Italy and not about Ukraine.

I have been cheated perhaps once in all my years here and your complaints are just plain wrong and tiresome. Again, go away, please, permanently if possible.I absolutely agree! After 30-40 visits to Ukraine, I cannot now remember that I ever was cheated by a girl! And if I were, it is long ago forgotten thanks to all the good and sweet girls who did not cheat me, they fucked me!

AColonizer
06-16-09, 20:03
This shows the fact: if you need a sweet girl, it is better for you to take a freebie in your own country and you live (or marry) her, so you save money and time; if you need an easy (but "sweet") pussy fuck, it is better for you to go to a disco in your country and you fuck her for free (or almost). It doesn't make sense people pay flight + accommodation + sex just to satisfy their own need to fuck exotic girls and to pay them 10 times than locals (for example, 500$ + 500$ + 300$ = 1300$). To find a "good" girl is rare like to find a diamant in a bag of mirrors. If every girl was good for you, this is another fact: you need just a hole, not a "good" girl: that's all!

Cheers.

P. S. Now we know who pays Gia/River Palace rates. And there is still somebody here who says 300/350$ for a night all included is too much (hypocrites), when men here are happy to see just a "sweet" smile.


[QUOTE=Uke Boy]I absolutely agree! After 30-40 visits to Ukraine, I cannot now remember that I ever was cheated by a girl! And if I were, it is long ago forgotten thanks to all the good and sweet girls who did not cheat me, they fucked me!

Qjump
06-17-09, 06:24
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]

Please, stay at home, it is enough you are cheated by girls of your country, it is disaster for all of us if you are cheated by girls in Ukraine too.



Colon, why don't you just take your own advice and "stay at home" and if you need to, write about what you might possibly know a little bit about, namely your Italy and not about Ukraine.

I have been cheated perhaps once in all my years here and your complaints are just plain wrong and tiresome. Again, go away, please, permanently if possible.

He just does not see that it could possibly be him and his attitude, and not the place or the girls......

Colon let me direct...... you need to stay at home, if Ukraine is so bad do not come, I would say at this stage normally "and leave more for me" BUT I think actually we don't even swim in the same pond, as my ancestors left the premordial soup that you still live in.

AColonizer
06-17-09, 20:53
Who said Ukraine is bad?

There are some good things and some bad things, like in every country.

I am just suggesting to avoid some stupid mistakes. If you all, folks, are happy to pay high money for a "sweet girl", so do I have to pay high money because of your stupid mistakes.

Yes, in Ukraine there are higher percentage of nice girls to fuck, but the cost must be reasonable. It is stupid, I repeat forever, it is stupid to inflate prices because of male weakness.

The market will be normalized when Gia offers a night for 300$ all included, swallow blowjobs, pussy fucking, ass fucking, fisting, pissing, bondage, sadomaso, gangbang and orgy, because these are the normal performances of all professional prostitutes.

Otherwise you need to look for freebies for a trivial sex, and every country has plenty of freebies, your own country too, therefore you don't need to travel abroad.

Moreover a lot of readers here are from USA, UK, Germany and other countries with Nordic style females. In USA I found a lot of availibity for pay sex, in UK too, in Germany there is a heaven about pay sex. I don't understand why you go to Ukraine? Did your firm probably give a job in Ukraine?

P.S. I am very proud when I have much more fair play than you, Anglo-Saxones.


[QUOTE=Uke Boy]

He just does not see that it could possibly be him and his attitude, and not the place or the girls......

Colon let me direct...... you need to stay at home, if Ukraine is so bad do not come, I would say at this stage normally "and leave more for me" BUT I think actually we don't even swim in the same pond, as my ancestors left the premordial soup that you still live in.

Brandon88
06-17-09, 21:09
I am staying right in the very heart of Kiev Mac Donalds is next to me and Mickey dees is as CENTER as you can get.. I am only paying $120.00 US a night for a LARGE 2 bedroom apartment jacuzzi I am with Blake. Got LUCKY in River Palace pull a babe out of there by the handle of Leena for 150 US for 4 hours. Will post pics soon I have them on my digital camera.. I pull a GIRL from River Palace TALL LEGGY BLONDOSHKA have pics to. Svetlana was her name wanted $400.00 for 1 hour I agree she was SMOKING HOT!!! She stay 3 hours and only took 200 US But I GIFTED her EXPENSIVE FRENCH perfume Bought lots of it DUTY FREE but the shit was still expensive. as soon as she enter the apartment that warm her up. She thought that was very sweet. I am on Blakes computer . hehehehe If you want information about this flat PM me at Blake. PM I have been here 6 days I am leaving in 4 days to Chernoble tour and then to harkov. Will POST pics soon.

I think I stayed in that same apartment once. It had an enclosed porch that looked at the side of McDs and the little park right behind it. Nice place and great location.

Qjump
06-18-09, 07:15
I am just suggesting to avoid some stupid mistakes. If you all, folks, are happy to pay high money for a "sweet girl", so do I have to pay high money because of your stupid mistakes.


Otherwise you need to look for freebies for a trivial sex, and every country has plenty of freebies, your own country too, therefore you don't need to travel abroad.

Did your firm probably give a job in Ukraine?


[QUOTE=Qjump]

Since you obviously do not read any ones posts other than your own,

Yes my firm gave me a job here.... how lucky I am.... to be given such a posting.
You see I use a thing called respect with everyone in the world, including Italians, but really reading your posts, I can not help thinking you give Italians a bad name for being disrespectful to women.
As Hookers at the end of the day are still people and have lives, financial and social forces put these girls into the position they are in especially in countries like Ukraine, Kiev yes is quite a comfortable city, but when going down the freeway instead of turning right to Borispol go straight on..... there is a whole different Ukraine there.
I wont keep telling anyone, but really you get what you give in this world, and it looks to me you get poor service as your are simply a disrespectful little tosser.

Jubatus
06-18-09, 10:08
I am just suggesting to avoid some stupid mistakes. If you all, folks, are happy to pay high money for a "sweet girl", so do I have to pay high money because of your stupid mistakes.

Otherwise you need to look for freebies for a trivial sex, and every country has plenty of freebies, your own country too, therefore you don't need to travel abroad.I have to agree with Acolonizer. Paying unreasonable prices is easy to do, when you have the money, but it is simply spoiling the market. Makes it worse for all of us.

Gentleman Travel
06-18-09, 14:59
Yes my firm gave me a job here.... how lucky I am.... to be given such a posting.
When I was in Kyiv last, I met a guy from our embassy who explained that Kyiv was a "hardship posting" entitling him to extra pay - I think it ranked as Level 4, the second-worst category (Level 5 being reserved for Iran and African shitholes).

What a joke! Imagine living in Candyland and having the government pay you a premium for the inconvenience! Obviously the hardship level was based on some old evaluation, when you couldn't buy decent food or have reliable electricity, because Kyiv of today, while far from North American standards, at least has shops and great food and nightlife.

But I guess as a diplomat you can't go around shagging the local girls in the back of your limo, at least not if you are a careerist.
Maybe they pay you extra for the pain and suffering of having to "look but not touch" the dyevs?

Kurenda
06-19-09, 01:20
But I guess as a diplomat you can't go around shagging the local girls in the back of your limo, at least not if you are a careerist.

Maybe they pay you extra for the pain and suffering of having to "look but not touch" the dyevs?Depending of the person.

British ammbasador in Uzebkistan meet a pro there a married her.

But his career after that most probably didn't sky rocketed.

Qjump
06-19-09, 11:38
When I was in Kyiv last, I met a guy from our embassy who explained that Kyiv was a "hardship posting" entitling him to extra pay - I think it ranked as Level 4, the second-worst category (Level 5 being reserved for Iran and African shitholes).

What a joke! Imagine living in Candyland and having the government pay you a premium for the inconvenience! Obviously the hardship level was based on some old evaluation, when you couldn't buy decent food or have reliable electricity, because Kyiv of today, while far from North American standards, at least has shops and great food and nightlife.

But I guess as a diplomat you can't go around shagging the local girls in the back of your limo, at least not if you are a careerist.
Maybe they pay you extra for the pain and suffering of having to "look but not touch" the dyevs?Oddly I said my firm gave me a job here as a joke, since I own the firm I could have sent myself anywhere.

Qjump
06-19-09, 11:42
I have to agree with Acolonizer. Paying unreasonable prices is easy to do, when you have the money, but it is simply spoiling the market. Makes it worse for all of us.Please explain who the hell is spoiling the market? by doing what? paying what he feels he should do for a service?

If you go buy a car do you pay what price is in the window? well yes you do if you really really want that car, in fact you may even pay over the window price just to get it right now.... and the same goes for hookers.

My beef is not about prices, my beef is about his hatred towards women and his disrespect towards Ukrainian women particularly.

Diceman
06-19-09, 12:38
Any you guys out there know of a street scene in Kiev? I know few years ago up shevchenko there was a small street scene, just wondered if any of you knew any regular areas where they hang out.

SailorSailor
06-19-09, 14:14
I wonder if any fellow from this forum had any experience with ukranian girls in mamba.ru?

AColonizer
06-19-09, 17:49
Ridicolous! Each woman knows there is no respect when there is money between a man and a woman! Respect is when there are just feelings and the man doesn't need to pay even a dinner in a restaurant.

Prostitution is just a business. And in that business, prostitutes are winning because they are earning high money with no work. A balanced market is when a good product is sold for a good price. In this case the market is very unbalanced, bad service (no standard GFE threeholes) for very high prices (one/two month wage for night).

When you buy a car (and ALL products), you consider a lot of parametres, for example to run up to 200 km/h, the seller promises that but, when you are on road, the electronical central unit burns. I am sure you ask a money refund for that car.

So for hookers, most of them promise but rarely commit and never refund. In the civilized world this is called FRAUD.


Please explain who the hell is spoiling the market? by doing what? paying what he feels he should do for a service?
If you go buy a car do you pay what price is in the window? well yes you do if you really really want that car, in fact you may even pay over the window price just to get it right now.... and the same goes for hookers.
My beef is not about prices, my beef is about his hatred towards women and his disrespect towards Ukrainian women particularly.

Uke Boy
06-19-09, 19:55
Any you guys out there know of a street scene in Kiev? I know few years ago up shevchenko there was a small street scene, just wondered if any of you knew any regular areas where they hang out.
Why?

The street walkers are the real losers in the scheme of things here. 98% of them are druggies and of those, 95% are likely to be HIV/AIDS infected.

There are so many other options here. Why would you want to scape the absolute bottom of the barrel AND put yourself (and later others) at great risk?

Are you that desperate to die and maybe bring others along with you?

By the way, look at the Ukraine AIDS statistics. It makes for sickening reading and it will only get worse, not better. Don't help it along by becoming another statistic.

Uke Boy
06-19-09, 20:06
I have to agree with Acolonizer. Paying unreasonable prices is easy to do, when you have the money, but it is simply spoiling the market. Makes it worse for all of us.

Try and not to agree with Colon. It will only unfortunately encourage the bugger.

If you have RTFF (which I now doubt) you will see that QJump and I, along with many other local ex-pats and frequent visiting mongers have always maintained the party line and wrote about the need for everyone to not overpay. Too many guys think with their dicks and not with the few brains they have in such situations. Since I am here, I hate the overpaying since it spoils it for me and of course for anyone who comes in for a visit.

Our problem with Colon is that he is one sick and angry puppy who hates the women here. That does color his approach and his commentary.

By the way, your post from last year said you were headed to Ukraine/Crimea but you never wrote anything further. Perhaps before you write something about prices here, you might first contribute something of value to this forum.

AColonizer
06-19-09, 20:49
I agree completely with your first part. But QJump didn't absolutely said the same things.

I don't hate anybody. I don't want to overpay because of silly gentlemen.

But if you say "try Ukrainians" with no warnings, you are sure all people overpay. And what is the best way not to overpay? The best way is to report prices and services and to keep the market monitored. This is just a business and it is wrong not to calculate if our money are well spent.

Otherwise, you write fairy tales and inflate the market!

At last, keep your disgusting nicknames for your fathers.


Try and not to agree with Colon. It will only unfortunately encourage the bugger.

If you have RTFF (which I now doubt) you will see that QJump and I, along with many other local ex-pats and frequent visiting mongers have always maintained the party line and wrote about the need for everyone to not overpay. Too many guys think with their dicks and not with the few brains they have in such situations. Since I am here, I hate the overpaying since it spoils it for me and of course for anyone who comes in for a visit.

Our problem with Colon is that he is one sick and angry puppy who hates the women here. That does color his approach and his commentary.

By the way, your post from last year said you were headed to Ukraine/Crimea but you never wrote anything further. Perhaps before you write something about prices here, you might first contribute something of value to this forum.

Diceman
06-19-09, 21:30
Why?

The street walkers are the real losers in the scheme of things here. 98% of them are druggies and of those, 95% are likely to be HIV/AIDS infected.

There are so many other options here. Why would you want to scape the absolute bottom of the barrel AND put yourself (and later others) at great risk?

Are you that desperate to die and maybe bring others along with you?

By the way, look at the Ukraine AIDS statistics. It makes for sickening reading and it will only get worse, not better. Don't help it along by becoming another statistic.I think your being a bit dramatic there uke boy, a lot of people like the street scene, and I don't agree with those stats you mentioned, and if you use common sense and have condoms for all action then can't see what the problem is, no kissing, no BBBJ, and mac on for the entry, wheres the contact? You think aids and hepatitus and stuff is all reserved for street walkers? You have as much chance to catch something from all the girls who work in these agencies the amount of action they see, I'm sorry I don't agree with what you say, hiv is not exclusive to druggies.

Bez Bezarra
06-20-09, 13:37
Ridicolous hookers never refund.

In the civilized world this is called FRAUD.



Just another too obvious illustration you live in BIZZARRO world, where everything is ass-bakwurds.

If you believe you deserve a refund, perhaps you should simply go to your favorite neighborhood adult sex shop where you probably hang out lurking in the shadows all the time anyway, and purchase the new Ira-Doll model affordable attractive young Ukrainian plastic blow-up woman, ask for your receipt, then creep out into the bushes or to some dark shed by the river and give her your famous Chikitilko necrophilia deep throat treatment with mandatory shuddering load blast into her digestive tract.

Then when your blow up doll gags on your filthy rotten spew and forgets to swallow and thank you profusely for your lovely gift, you can just deflate the ungrateful b1tch and take the soiled crusty mouth and throat back over to the adult sex shop, thrust your receipt into the manager's face, and DEMAND your fucking refund.

Please my dear friend, follow my sage advice and do this today, as this should produce the results you so richly deserve.

In the meantime, we shall have Jackson convene the ISG-8 summitt meeting of leading industrial monger nations, to appoint a commision to crack down on hooker fraud, and even get Obama to propose changing prostitution regulations to impose tougher penalties and more stringent oversight to deal with your fraud issue concerns. So don't worry about that anymore.

CityHunter77
06-20-09, 20:44
Need advice.

Managed to hook up with a lady for 2 days in Kiev.

She is charging me $1000 in total for both days as spnsorship payment.

Is this the average price or am I paying too much?

Tremayne
06-20-09, 21:53
Ridicolous! Each woman knows there is no respect when there is money between a man and a woman! Respect is when there are just feelings and the man doesn't need to pay even a dinner in a restaurant.

Prostitution is just a business. And in that business, prostitutes are winning because they are earning high money with no work. A balanced market is when a good product is sold for a good price. In this case the market is very unbalanced, bad service (no standard GFE threeholes) for very high prices (one/two month wage for night).

When you buy a car (and ALL products), you consider a lot of parametres, for example to run up to 200 km/h, the seller promises that but, when you are on road, the electronical central unit burns. I am sure you ask a money refund for that car.

So for hookers, most of them promise but rarely commit and never refund. In the civilized world this is called FRAUD.Acolonizer,

I have been in Kiev now for over 8 years and during that time I have used the services of P4P's all over the city from RP, what used to be Moda Bar and is now Radio City, the old Bar 111 and many escort agencies including Gia, Top Models and Kiev Privat. During this entire period I have never once been cheated, ripped off or had an ugly experience.The sex has ranged from indifferent to fantastic and there were some girls who deserved an Oscar for the effort they put into giving the GFE.

I honestly believe that the reason I have had a trouble free 8 years of using P4P's in Kiev is because I have always tried to be friendly and polite towards these girls and to attempt to put them at their ease.
So many negative experiences with P4P's are caused directly by the behaviour and attitude of the customer. Show them a little respect and many of them will respond in the same manner.

Finally you have often talked of 'swallow blow jobs' I have yet to meet any working girl who gives that service, bbbj yes but they rush to the bathroom or reach for a tissue afterwards. I think that your expectations are way beyond reality on this point. However I stand to be corrected if other forum members have encountered this particular service being given

Piper1
06-20-09, 23:43
Before arriving in Kiev in two weeks, I have a few days visiting the UK. Spent ages on the web chatting up un-rich British girls, and I have struck it lucky with a mid-20s slim pretty black girl from beach-side Brighton - a student of fashion design "in need of romancing" (and money). All going well, I'm staying with her at Brighton a couple of nights, then London two nights, but I still haven't booked a Kiev apartment. Any recommendations for a decent apartment in Kiev - near Arena?

Kraled
06-21-09, 05:42
I have been to kiev 6 times, Rio, ba, cartegena, the far east as a military, I so much agree with you and feel you are so correct generally, and even more correct specifically re Kiev.

A smile and a stupid grin will suffice almost anywhere.

AColonizer
06-21-09, 09:53
your reply is polite and therefore your reply is welcome.

i have just to remind my hard learnirg from two ukrainian super prostitutes (and from their customers too).

i saw things beyond any imaginations:

- i saw to swallow sperm in throat like that was air, i saw to put hands in the ass like those ones were suppositories, i saw to drink [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) like that one was martini bianco;

- i saw prostitutes to pretend disgust for a deep french kiss or a pussy licking but i saw the same prostitutes to pretend excitation for a double penetrations or a 69 face fucking;

- i saw customers to be happy when they pay normal prices to prostitutes just for talking, i saw customers to be happy when they pay low prices to prostitutes for multiple fistings (on prostitutes, of course).

and all of those prostitutes said "that is work only" or, for our convenience, "business is just business". at the end, a prostitute represents the perfect market rule.

in the past, some master mongers said "this is a dirty game and we have to play that game", yes agree completely and that means we have to use "the first in a velvet glove" or "gentleman but not stupid (even less romantic)". this is the same method all women (not just prostitutes) use with men nowdays.

therefore business is just business and sex market is like any other product market, it has their own stock exchanges and quotes, it has their own sellers and buyers.

what is standard service = "share"? the standard service is what you can see in ggg movies.

what is nominal quote of a standard service = "share"? the nominal quote is about 100 euros/first hour, between 250 to 500 euros for a overnight of ten hours.

now what is happening in the sex market?

first of all, all buyers don't know what is a standard service = "share" while all sellers know what is a standard service = "share" and therefore they advantage of buyers' ignorance.

the average situation is most buyers buy 1/2 or 1/3 share for one whole nominal price and the sex market is extremely inflated in most countries in the world. but, different from the other markets, the speculative bubble never explodes because men are too stupid.

p. s. for your information, indifferent or cold or mechanical or clock-watching sex is a bad service. no three holes sex is a bad service. this means bad sex is provided by prostitutes but also by a lot of (most? ) wives.


acolonizer

i have been in kiev now for over 8 years and during that time i have used the services of p4p's all over the city from rp, what used to be moda bar and is now radio city, the old bar 111 and many escort agencies including gia, top models and kiev privat. during this entire period i have never once been cheated, ripped off or had an ugly experience.the sex has ranged from indifferent to fantastic and there were some girls who deserved an oscar for the effort they put into giving the gfe.

i honestly believe that the reason i have had a trouble free 8 years of using p4p's in kiev is because i have always tried to be friendly and polite towards these girls and to attempt to put them at their ease.
so many negative experiences with p4p's are caused directly by the behaviour and attitude of the customer. show them a little respect and many of them will respond in the same manner.

finally you have often talked of 'swallow blow jobs' i have yet to meet any working girl who gives that service, bbbj yes but they rush to the bathroom or reach for a tissue afterwards. i think that your expectations are way beyond reality on this point. however i stand to be corrected if other forum members have encountered this particular service being given

AColonizer
06-21-09, 10:01
I thought in your same way some years ago, but after I met too many prostitutes swallowing sperm for more than 8 years and they are still here beautiful and active.

Therefore I don't understand why there is that statistic.


Why?

The street walkers are the real losers in the scheme of things here. 98% of them are druggies and of those, 95% are likely to be HIV/AIDS infected.

There are so many other options here. Why would you want to scape the absolute bottom of the barrel AND put yourself (and later others) at great risk?

Are you that desperate to die and maybe bring others along with you?

By the way, look at the Ukraine AIDS statistics. It makes for sickening reading and it will only get worse, not better. Don't help it along by becoming another statistic.

Cruiser D
06-21-09, 10:19
Considering you can get a 7+ for a week or a month if you know the game well, yeah you might be over paying a little bit. :)

Dice, I'd somewhat have to agree with you a bit. I've seen some good lookers working the street in Kyiv and Kharkov but that was about 1 in 50. Streetwalkers tend to have the more hardcore STD's - Hep, HIV while the RP, Arena girls tend to have the gentlers STD's - HPV, HSV. The point is, why bother to pick up a streetwalker when you can go to an apartment or Salon for the same price or $10 more?


Need advice.

Managed to hook up with a lady for 2 days in Kiev.

She is charging me $1000 in total for both days as spnsorship payment.

Is this the average price or am I paying too much?

Bez Bezarra
06-21-09, 14:11
The point is, why bother to pick up a streetwalker when you can go to an apartment or Salon for the same price or $10 more?



To explain where are, or how to find on the internet, the telephone numbers for your 100 Kiev Salons??!!

Pizzy has now explained to use intimcity.ru, to find salons in Moskva.

What about Kiev salons?

You gonna reveal this?

Its probably simple, isn't it?

Certainly some mongers already know this, but you consistently are the one that brings up the subject.

Cruiser D
06-21-09, 15:20
Really Bez, are you brain dead? I've told the places where streetwalker can be found. When you see one, pull your car over, roll the window down and ask, how much. Do you want me to go on explain what you do with her then?

Same with the salons, I've pointed out before how to go about getting access to them. Do you want me to draw you a map and make a picture-gram for instructions? I speak ten words of Russian and I have no problem finding them. A province ho master such as yourself should find it easy. If all else fails just tape a $100 bill to your forehead when you are walking around Kyiv.

I don't think you are going to be happy until I fly to Kyiv when you are there. Take you by the hand and lead you to one. Enter the door code, open the door for you, walk you up the steps. Knock on the door, enter the apartment, sit you on the couch, make the girls line up for you. Oh wait, there are already people who do this...come on Bez, get a clue. Get a copy of some english langauge rag, look for the massage/escort listing call the number and ask the person who answers the phone where the apartment is. Then go there! So fucking hard....

Piper1
06-21-09, 15:37
Sorry to interrupt the witty repartee ;) but I have a newbie question regarding racism in Kiev. The girl I'm meeting in the UK is black/French. All going well, I'll probably bring her to Kiev (don't laugh - I'm not bringing sand to the beach - will try to get her into threesomes or swingers clubs). She's asking me if she will have any hassles with racism in Kiev. I told her "No" (which is my experience of any capital city, and my guess is she would be considered exotic in Kiev due to rarity), but do Kiev regulars have any advice on this?

BTW - she has an uncanny resemblance to the girl in the attached photos, originally posted by Bad Bear in Haiti. Not a stunner, and a little on the skinny side for me, but I have a thing for cute black girls. After sorting the wheat from the chaff from facebook replies (including many scammers), this girl is genuine, a money-challenged student, and eager for fun and gifts. But if things don't work out with her, there are many alternatives.

PS - thanks guys for the PMs re apartments.

Kurenda
06-21-09, 16:41
Piper keep in mind that racism in Ukraine is very common thing as in most slavic countries. This is not a thing you will see in regular reports only in newspapers in the form of small articles.

According to EU official reports Ukraine is the country where xenophobia is on the rise year after year.

Last year alone in Ukraine occured more than 600 various attacks on foreigners. Lvov, Kiev, Odessa and Kharkov are places where this happen since there are some number of foreign student at local universities.

And this foreign students are mostly from third world countries.

Now this surely doesn't mean that your black girlfriend will be attacked as soon as she's on the street. Keep some common sense. Don't let her wander around alone since she might have problems and also not speaking the language. Avoid walking the streets late in the night, dark places, unknown parts of the town. Go to crowded places, and definitelly don't take metro late at night. According to ukrainian government most attack of foreigners in Kiev happen in the metro and areas around metro stations.

Uke Boy
06-21-09, 16:59
Piper,

She looks like fun and I am sure if she comes along with you, it should be a blast.

Racism is an occasional problem (where in the world is it not!) but most reported issues seem to be confined to single black males walking alone at night coming upon the wrong group of drunks. There is also a skinhead element here that occasionally makes an appearance but Kiev is basically a safe place in the center.

Black females should not have a problem and in fact may be a draw as you suggest. From the local Russian language boards, when a black girl shows up (or mixed race) in the P4P scene, she is immediately the subject of many inquiries. A black girl as a third in a 3-some or swing situation will be in great demand, just from the curiosity shop angle.

Good luck, have fun and let us know how you did.

Bez Bezarra
06-21-09, 17:04
Bez, are you brain dead?

I've told you with the salons, just use the english langauge rag, look for the massage/escort listing the number



If anyone takes the time to check, they'll quickly notice that you did NOT make such an obvious claim, which wasn't even what I asked anyway.

Your boasts have always been about getting services and prices that locals get, rather than western tourists, and normally, western tourists don't get prices that russian speaking locals get by looking up numbers in What's On.

I'm looking right now at a copy of What's On, there's 25 escort agency numbers, only one advertises that its a Salon. All the rest will send a girl for outcall to your hotel or flat, so being a monger with minimal time to waste, I always utilized my time more wisely and specified when I called them that I only wanted a new 18-19 yrs student, and if they didn't have one, then I didn't need bother to go to their apartment/salon to look over some skanky tramps I don't want anyway.

There's also 24 "Saunas" listed, so, without needing to insult me, can you just be specific for a minute, and clarify if these "Saunas" are all "Salons"?
Every one of them lists an address, so obviously you go to them, as opposed to the agency listing outcall escort service.

The POINT, is that, what counts, is accessing the places that local ukrainian guys go to, which might account for the "missing 76 OTHER salons you claim are in Kiev", but AREN'T listed in What's On.

Wanna advise your fans on THAT subject, you grouchy bastard?

Uke Boy
06-21-09, 17:10
I think your being a bit dramatic there uke boy, a lot of people like the street scene, and I don't agree with those stats you mentioned, and if you use common sense and have condoms for all action then can't see what the problem is, no kissing, no BBBJ, and mac on for the entry, wheres the contact? You think aids and hepatitus and stuff is all reserved for street walkers? You have as much chance to catch something from all the girls who work in these agencies the amount of action they see, I'm sorry I don't agree with what you say, hiv is not exclusive to druggies.
Dice, I generally agree with you since this hobby places us all at greater risk from simple STD's to AIDs. It is just the degree of risk that you want to take.

The SWs here are the biggest losers and the most HIV infected. They cannot get into a local bordello or work as an independent due to their drug and health issues, and their only option is to work the streets. No matter how safe you want to make the meeting with them, accidents and other shit does happen. It is your life and maybe others that you place in greater danger.

Uke Boy
06-21-09, 17:16
At last, keep your disgusting nicknames for your fathers.
Colon, so what do you want me to call you, "Пиздец" or do you prefer "Сука Блядь"?

Both are appropriate. If you don't like either of these, I can come up a lot more for you.

Happy Father's Day!

Explorer69
06-21-09, 21:06
Need advice.

Managed to hook up with a lady for 2 days in Kiev.

She is charging me $1000 in total for both days as spnsorship payment.

Is this the average price or am I paying too much?Unless this girl is miss Ukraine, it is (far) too much.

Explorer69
06-21-09, 21:11
Acolonizer

I have been in Kiev now for over 8 years and during that time I have used the services of P4P's all over the city from RP, what used to be Moda Bar and is now Radio City, the old Bar 111 and many escort agencies including Gia, Top Models and Kiev Privat. During this entire period I have never once been cheated, ripped off or had an ugly experience.The sex has ranged from indifferent to fantastic and there were some girls who deserved an Oscar for the effort they put into giving the GFE.

I honestly believe that the reason I have had a trouble free 8 years of using P4P's in Kiev is because I have always tried to be friendly and polite towards these girls and to attempt to put them at their ease.

So many negative experiences with P4P's are caused directly by the behaviour and attitude of the customer. Show them a little respect and many of them will respond in the same manner.

Finally you have often talked of 'swallow blow jobs' I have yet to meet any working girl who gives that service, bbbj yes but they rush to the bathroom or reach for a tissue afterwards. I think that your expectations are way beyond reality on this point. However I stand to be corrected if other forum members have encountered this particular service being givenI will just say "Amen". You describe exactly my experience and my view as well!!

Doctor_Skank
06-21-09, 21:59
Sorry to interrupt the witty repartee ;) but I have a newbie question regarding racism in Kiev. The girl I'm meeting in the UK is black/French. All going well, I'll probably bring her to Kiev (don't laugh - I'm not bringing sand to the beach - will try to get her into threesomes or swingers clubs). She's asking me if she will have any hassles with racism in Kiev. I told her "No" (which is my experience of any capital city, and my guess is she would be considered exotic in Kiev due to rarity), but do Kiev regulars have any advice on this?
I know a couple of black girls in Ukraine (all students of various faculties) and they have few problems, the only real problem is that everybody, especially local guys, want to have their picture taken with them,especially when alcohol is involved. It's unnerving.

AColonizer
06-22-09, 19:49
your reply is polite and therefore your reply is welcome.

i have just to remind my hard learnirg from two ukrainian super prostitutes (and from their customers too).

i saw things beyond any imaginations:

- i saw to swallow sperm in throat like that was air, i saw to put hands in the ass like those ones were suppositories, i saw to drink [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) like that one was martini bianco;

- i saw prostitutes to pretend disgust for a deep french kiss or a pussy licking but i saw the same prostitutes to pretend excitation for a double penetrations or a 69 face fucking;

- i saw customers to be happy when they pay normal prices to prostitutes just for talking, i saw customers to be happy when they pay low prices to prostitutes for multiple fistings (on prostitutes, of course).

and all of those prostitutes said "that is work only" or, for our convenience, "business is just business". at the end, a prostitute represents the perfect market rule.

in the past, some master mongers said "this is a dirty game and we have to play that game", yes agree completely and that means we have to use "the first in a velvet glove" or "gentleman but not stupid (even less romantic)". this is the same method all women (not just prostitutes) use with men nowdays.

therefore business is just business and sex market is like any other product market, it has their own stock exchanges and quotes, it has their own sellers and buyers.

what is standard service = "share"? the standard service is what you can see in ggg movies.

what is nominal quote of a standard service = "share"? the nominal quote is about 100 euros/first hour, between 250 to 500 euros for a overnight of ten hours.

now what is happening in the sex market?

first of all, all buyers don't know what is a standard service = "share" while all sellers know what is a standard service = "share" and therefore they advantage of buyers' ignorance.

the average situation is most buyers buy 1/2 or 1/3 share for one whole nominal price and the sex market is extremely inflated in most countries in the world. but, different from the other markets, the speculative bubble never explodes because men are too stupid.

p.s. for your information, indifferent or cold or mechanical or clock-watching sex is a bad service. no three holes sex is a bad service. this means bad sex is provided by prostitutes but also by a lot of (most?) wives.


acolonizer

i have been in kiev now for over 8 years and during that time i have used the services of p4p's all over the city from rp, what used to be moda bar and is now radio city, the old bar 111 and many escort agencies including gia, top models and kiev privat. during this entire period i have never once been cheated, ripped off or had an ugly experience.the sex has ranged from indifferent to fantastic and there were some girls who deserved an oscar for the effort they put into giving the gfe.

i honestly believe that the reason i have had a trouble free 8 years of using p4p's in kiev is because i have always tried to be friendly and polite towards these girls and to attempt to put them at their ease.
so many negative experiences with p4p's are caused directly by the behaviour and attitude of the customer. show them a little respect and many of them will respond in the same manner.

finally you have often talked of 'swallow blow jobs' i have yet to meet any working girl who gives that service, bbbj yes but they rush to the bathroom or reach for a tissue afterwards. i think that your expectations are way beyond reality on this point. however i stand to be corrected if other forum members have encountered this particular service being given

Sponsor74
06-22-09, 22:08
Unless this girl is miss Ukraine, it is (far) too much.
how much would you recommend then NOW there in Kiev? and where is the best place to find the young and sexy student types?

Brian Moloney
06-22-09, 22:24
Sorry to interrupt the witty repartee ;) but I have a newbie question regarding racism in Kiev. The girl I'm meeting in the UK is black/French. All going well, I'll probably bring her to Kiev (don't laugh - I'm not bringing sand to the beach - will try to get her into threesomes or swingers clubs). She's asking me if she will have any hassles with racism in Kiev. I told her "No" (which is my experience of any capital city, and my guess is she would be considered exotic in Kiev due to rarity), but do Kiev regulars have any advice on this?

BTW - she has an uncanny resemblance to the girl in the attached photos, originally posted by Bad Bear in Haiti. Not a stunner, and a little on the skinny side for me, but I have a thing for cute black girls. After sorting the wheat from the chaff from facebook replies (including many scammers), this girl is genuine, a money-challenged student, and eager for fun and gifts. But if things don't work out with her, there are many alternatives.

PS - thanks guys for the PMs re apartments.
Piper I myself like dark meat from time to time. I was in River Palace and saw a six foot 5 inch black girl selling her stuff. To bad I already pick one blondy out for the night. that Black gal would of been like climbing Mount Everest dam she look good. What I have seen from the locals they are more predjidice than Russians. The whole time I was in Kiev 1 month I only seen 2 black people I am sure there must be more some where there. I tell my bro nothing wrong with black meat, it wont rub off. In North America I find Black women more easily to get along with and they have better attitudes than fat white North American women. And Black women in Canada have WAY better bodies and like white men. I dont know how black women in the US are like.

Diceman
06-22-09, 23:07
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=1635 wonder if anyone has tried this agency top-models ? anyone vouch for the validity of the girls? seems like some top girls here and looks to good to be true, so probably is

Brian Moloney
06-22-09, 23:07
Piper I myself like dark meat from time to time. I was in River Palace and saw a six foot 5 inch black girl selling her stuff. To bad I already pick one blondy out for the night. that Black gal would of been like climbing Mount Everest dam she look good. What I have seen from the locals they are more predjidice than Russians. The whole time I was in Kiev 1 month I only seen 2 black people I am sure there must be more some where there. I tell my bro nothing wrong with black meat, it wont rub off. In North America I find Black women more easily to get along with and they have better attitudes than fat white North American women. And Black women in Canada have WAY better bodies and like white men. I dont know how black women in the US are like.
Blake and yours truly rented a Sauna for 1 hour 1000 grivna we order girls at 1000 grivna each. Of course when they arrived one was Blond and the other was a brunette I pick the brunette.. Because I am a nice guy I tip them generously before the action began.. After the first round the blond was NOT into Blake I could see that. Soooooo I said lets switch the blond was then all happy and so was I he he he he... There was only 5 minutes left and the manager of the sauna was knocking on the door. So I took action fast and finish Blondy up the ass... he he he he Blake took pics of us with the girls.. Blake I give you PERMISSION to put my PICTURE on ISG with the 2 Ho bags I dont care. Blake I think its time to think outside of the box. we should try different countries different nationalities black yellow brown look at the Kenya thread TALL BLACK and BEAUTIFULL and CHEAP!!!!!!!! I spent 20k in 30 days that could last us 3 months in Kenya maybe longer... Its my ambition to make babies from all over the WORLD. hehehe And as you know I have the means to support them. What about it Blake lets do another country. When I come back from France lets decide where we want to go.. Are you still in Kiev??? Let me know where you are at and I will send you money western Union so you can fly out to France I miss ya Bro. Its NOT the same with out ya. I am lost. he he he he

CityHunter77
06-23-09, 17:09
Unless this girl is Miss Ukraine, it is (far) too much.What should I offer her for 2 days then?

Cruiser D
06-23-09, 22:12
What do you want to pay?


What should I offer her for 2 days then?


Bez, I love you, never forget that. ;)

As you know I know quite a few of the regulars on this board in real life. I'm not throwing random things out there or stuff I haven't tested myself. To think that you, a guy who spends his vacations in the villages rooting out ho's like a truffle hound can't find any of the salon/apartments that are literally all over the place in the center is just too funny. And they are generally chocked full of the girls you go to the villages looking for. Currently around $80/hr but don't pay anymore then $100.

DJ FourMoney
06-23-09, 23:46
Piper I myself like dark meat from time to time. I was in River Palace and saw a six foot 5 inch black girl selling her stuff. To bad I already pick one blondy out for the night. that Black gal would of been like climbing Mount Everest dam she look good. What I have seen from the locals they are more predjidice than Russians. The whole time I was in Kiev 1 month I only seen 2 black people I am sure there must be more some where there. I tell my bro nothing wrong with black meat, it wont rub off. In North America I find Black women more easily to get along with and they have better attitudes than fat white North American women. And Black women in Canada have WAY better bodies and like white men. I dont know how black women in the US are like.

Ha the only other black person I saw was on the plane with me coming in...

I've been called "A Sex Tourist" in Kiev but not the "N" word or anything else.

I would like to return, dayum it next year maybe...

Bez Bezarra
06-24-09, 00:23
Bez, ;)

To think that you can't find any of the salon/apartments that are literally all over the place in the center is just too funny.



I literally never tried to find one, as I explained, I haven't spent more than 18 hours at one time in Kiev since 2004. I used to stay for a couple days, when Zhana, my all-time favorite mamachka, was running her teen agency, but, as I explained, she vanished 5 years ago.

Since then, on the way in, I get off the plane at 3PM, go to my flat, and I'm on the train at 6AM. On the way out, I'm off the train at 2PM, and flying out of Boryspol at 6AM! who has time to run around looking for ANYTHING?


SO, I'm still hoping and STILL WAITING for one of my brothers here, that will show me the light, and explain how HE found the salons. And I DON'T mean the Saunas listed in What's On, unless YOU are now claiming that the Saunas are the Salons??

I've asked ALL my local Ukrainian guys many times, and THEY don't know.
I've asked you, and all you say is NOT how you found them.

So thanks for the love, but I'd much rather know the big secret!

Love is all you need:

Cruiser D
06-24-09, 10:54
Never been to a sauna.

Ever been to Friday's? There are 5 operating salons that I know about in a 500m radius. They are literally all over the place. I visit a new one at least every time I go to Kyiv but rarely partake.

I already told you how to do it, for some reason you just ignore it. If you absolutely must go ask a taxi driver. He'll take you to one, but it will cost you another $10 or so in the final price for the girl. :)

Kurenda
06-24-09, 11:13
Ha the only other black person I saw was on the plane with me coming in...

I've been called "A Sex Tourist" in Kiev but not the "N" word or anything else.
I would like to return, dayum it next year maybe...Most blacks in Ukraine are in Odessa and Kharkov as foreign students.

They didn't called you "N" word but most probably "Ч" word.

The esest way to find salond is going to taxi asnd tellig driver to take you to one. And also one of the way is to as a cop and for some fee you will get a list of addresses and phone numbers. Maybe even a discount if you explain that and that cop sent you. But for this you will need to know some cop quite good. Asking the first one on the street would be tricky especially if you don't speak the language.

Explorer69
06-24-09, 18:48
What should I offer her for 2 days then?start with a suggestion of 500, be prepared to increase to 700. If more you can get superescorts in Kiev.

Explorer69
06-24-09, 18:53
What should I offer her for 2 days then?I recently had 2 girls together for 600 USD for 2 days, and one girl for 300 for 3 days (but the last one was from a village).

DJ FourMoney
06-24-09, 19:35
Most blacks in Ukraine are in Odessa and Kharkov as foreign students.

They didn't called you "N" word but most probably "Ч" word.

The esest way to find salond is going to taxi asnd tellig driver to take you to one. And also one of the way is to as a cop and for some fee you will get a list of addresses and phone numbers. Maybe even a discount if you explain that and that cop sent you. But for this you will need to know some cop quite good. Asking the first one on the street would be tricky especially if you don't speak the language.

Well I consider that a positive, if you can't understand what they are saying you can't be offended...

Easiest way to find what, sauna/salon?

Actually what I was looking for when I wasn't occupied was a marriage agency. I could have afforded to stay longer in Kiev, its not like I HAD to come back when I did, but after I got what I wanted, there was no further reason to stay. If I had better contact with Telos while I was there, I might have stayed longer.

I learned a long time ago, that a Black life is basically meaningless in the grand scheme of things so I would never ask the Police in any country for that type of information, I'm more concerned for them actually giving a fuck about me being a victim of a crime, which there's a 50/50 chance it would be ignored or turned around on me....

CityHunter77
06-24-09, 20:55
I recently had 2 girls together for 600 USD for 2 days, and one girl for 300 for 3 days (but the last one was from a village).Now that is what I'm looking for.

I've PM'd you

Bez Bezarra
06-25-09, 01:22
I learned a long time ago, that a Black life is basically meaningless in the grand scheme of things



Maybe in Europe, attitudes have simply swung too far to the side of being against ALL foreigners, but I would think you'd be the complete opposite of meaningless in Asia or South America.

The only reason I go as far as I do AWAY from Kiev and Moscow, is to guarantee that I WON'T run into any other Americans, or hear* anyone speaking English, except for my agents, but I do it in the FSU because I can somewhat blend into the crowd, nobody really notices me.

I wish I could blend in, in China or Laos or Burma, but its impossible for a bule. Not that you would either, but you won't be seen there as the white imperialist yankee dog. You could tell them you own a diamond mine in South Africa!

Irish Lad
06-25-09, 10:16
Need advice.

Managed to hook up with a lady for 2 days in Kiev.

She is charging me $1000 in total for both days as spnsorship payment.

Is this the average price or am I paying too much?This is way too much as others have said. I suggest you make a profile on mamba and clearly state what you are looking for. Then, put your photo along the top line saying "sponsor seeks companion for 2 days, $500" and you should receive a lot of interest.

IL

Bez Bezarra
06-25-09, 21:01
I thought the Sauna's had steam rooms and mini-swimming pools and shower rooms and TV lounges and bars, and were basically what are for ALL Ukrainians as Banya's?

I thought a Salon, was just someone's flat converted to be a brothel, without a sauna. How many apartments have saunas?

I don't need alcohol and drugs anymore, you make me feel dizzy enough!

No fucking kidding.

Duesentrieb
06-27-09, 14:15
I can recommend the Strip-Club "Tixi Omut" at the Kharkovski-Raion (East Side of Kiev) to anyone who come to this fascinating City.

It is in Revutskogo street, very close to the well-known Restaurant "Xata Ribaka" (House of the fisherman), I was there at Thursday evening, it is a small Club with not more than eight tables for the Clients.

Entrance-fee is 75 Grivna, Drinks around 50 Grivna.

There were around ten nice girls which alternate to dance at the small stage, the Girls also come to your table and are stripping for you, in this case a little Tip is expected, in general there is a relaxed atmosphere.

The girls are friendly and open, but not pushy,most of them speak only russian.

You can also order a "private dance" in a seperate Room (aprox. 10 Minutes) for 200 Grivna, this includes full striptease and a little petting.

There is also a "Private Dance" with "Action" for 500 Grivnas, but I did not try.

In the house is also a Sauna, so it is very likely that you can hire some of the dancers for a private Sauna-Party.

The place is definitely worth a visit !

AColonizer
06-28-09, 17:30
Strange. I put, one year ago, a fake profile with a picture of a nice man, with a big parametre about his penis, with a wealthy job, ready to sponsor girls for sex in his business travels in Kiev, but I haven't received any offers yet.

Can you explain your trick?


This is way too much as others have said. I suggest you make a profile on mamba and clearly state what you are looking for. Then, put your photo along the top line saying "sponsor seeks companion for 2 days, $500" and you should receive a lot of interest.

IL

Cruiser D
06-29-09, 10:47
Is this the place with the hard wooden benches with cushions? Didn't it have a small water feature in the middle?


I can recommend the Strip-Club "Tixi Omut" at the Kharkovski-Raion (East Side of Kiev) to anyone who come to this fascinating City.

It is in Revutskogo street, very close to the well-known Restaurant "Xata Ribaka" (House of the fisherman), I was there at Thursday evening, it is a small Club with not more than eight tables for the Clients.

Entrance-fee is 75 Grivna, Drinks around 50 Grivna.

There were around ten nice girls which alternate to dance at the small stage, the Girls also come to your table and are stripping for you, in this case a little Tip is expected, in general there is a relaxed atmosphere.

The girls are friendly and open, but not pushy,most of them speak only russian.

You can also order a "private dance" in a seperate Room (aprox. 10 Minutes) for 200 Grivna, this includes full striptease and a little petting.

There is also a "Private Dance" with "Action" for 500 Grivnas, but I did not try.

In the house is also a Sauna, so it is very likely that you can hire some of the dancers for a private Sauna-Party.

The place is definitely worth a visit !

Cruiser D
06-29-09, 10:49
Yeah, Ukrainian girls are a lot of things but stupid generally isn't one of them.



Strange. I put, one year ago, a fake profile with a picture of a nice man, with a big parametre about his penis, with a wealthy job, ready to sponsor girls for sex in his business travels in Kiev, but I haven't received any offers yet.

Can you explain your trick?

BionicMan
06-29-09, 13:44
Strange. I put, one year ago, a fake profile with a picture of a nice man, with a big parametre about his penis, with a wealthy job, ready to sponsor girls for sex in his business travels in Kiev, but I haven't received any offers yet.

Can you explain your trick?
Not even a girl in 4th world would believe to such an obvious fake profile.
Just as we, men, do not believe to certain freebies...
What goes around, comes around.
Wondering what you'd do if a girl responds to such a profile.

Duesentrieb
06-29-09, 15:30
"Is this the place with the hard wooden benches with cushions?"

Yes

"Didn't it have a small water feature in the middle?"

Do not remember, maybe

Here is a weblink with adress of the Restaurant, the Strip-Club is so close to the Restaurant that it is maybe a part of it, but I am not shure about that.

http://sprava.in.ua/en/rub/kiev/restaurants/other/1/2534

AColonizer
06-29-09, 16:09
But thousands and thousands men are always ready to reply to fake profiles with fake pictures and to have a long travel going to places with girls as nice as girls in their own countries: maybe all men are from a 6th world?

P.S. But please, I understand there is no sense of humour, but here you, all mongers, are pretending to be the perfect gentlemen: but gentlemen don't look for P4P.


Not even a girl in 4th world would believe to such an obvious fake profile.

Just as we, men, do not believe to certain freebies.

What goes around, comes around.

Wondering what you'd do if a girl responds to such a profile.

DJ FourMoney
06-29-09, 21:41
Maybe in Europe, attitudes have simply swung too far to the side of being against ALL foreigners, but I would think you'd be the complete opposite of meaningless in Asia or South America.

The only reason I go as far as I do AWAY from Kiev and Moscow, is to guarantee that I WON'T run into any other Americans, or hear* anyone speaking English, except for my agents, but I do it in the FSU because I can somewhat blend into the crowd, nobody really notices me.

I wish I could blend in, in China or Laos or Burma, but its impossible for a bule. Not that you would either, but you won't be seen there as the white imperialist yankee dog. You could tell them you own a diamond mine in South Africa!

Ummm that's an idea, until I had to produce the goods...

But I agree with your thinking that you need to get as far away from Americans and its general mindset as possible. I won't blend so well, I either get labeled an African or maybe an American in FSU. But that can work to one's advantage ;)

Doctor_Skank
06-30-09, 18:04
As an experiment in pre-crisis Kiev a couple years back I put up a fake girl profile together with my girlfriend just to see what kind of response we would get. 95% of the respondees were Ukrainian and wrote novels trying to get her attention, a sprinkling of Turkish and Arabs with the lame "pretty girl/krasivaya devushka" diatribes and a few Europeans mostly offering ridiculous amounts of money. An aging Italian who wanted a girl to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in his mouth for almost any price, a German who woulda paid 500 euro a day etc. etc.

It's all a playground. Play a little and as Irish Lad said, be clear about what you want. If its p4p sex, dont be shy.

It's Ukraine, you'll find some interested girls.

Last time I was in Ukraine a couple months back in post-crisis Kiev I paid a girl about $60-70 for a couple of hours. We didnt even talk about price beforehand. She was a 6 or 7 depending on perspective, but stayed almost 3 hours and would have stayed longer. I was also getting responses that wanted up to $500, so the spectrum varies wildly, but averages about $200 IME. But keep things in perspective, if you are willing to settle for normal warm-blooded honest cute girls who need cash, they are there. These girls make $100-300 a month in their day jobs.

AColonizer
06-30-09, 19:22
Don't be angry, you have mixed different replies for different forumers (also me, I read all kinds of things and their opposite here).

I accidentally met your Anastasia (and her girlfriend Galina) from Dnipropetrovsk one year ago, she's stunning, you are really clever to fuck her!


There’s no explanation required. It’s not a trick, it’s not magic either. I however forgot to mention what not to do. Don’t be stupid. I’m really not sure what you are doing here. 1 day you are prepared to pay for sex, the next you say only stupid men pay for it.

IL

Cruiser D
06-30-09, 21:59
Outstanding Dr S! ;)

Namster
06-30-09, 23:21
Well its been a long time since I wrote here, but I would like to share my experiences. I work every month for two-three weeks in Kyiv and have been there many times now. The post credit crisis is definately in effect in Kyiv. But I do still find ukranians rather stubborn who will not acknowledge it the crisis. I have made some great friends in Kyiv and in particular I would like to thank IrishLad for all his great advice and hospitality. He really does live a normal life and I enjoy the times we have been out together. I also would like to say thank you to CrusierD for his advice and insight into Kyiv. As for me I have a steady girlfriend now in Kiev who I am very happy with. I will say for anyone travelling to Kiev the main thing you need to be is yourself. You cannot go into Clubs and throw money about as I have seen many crazy men do by the sight of Girls. The only thing that will happen is security will throw you straight out of the club on your ass. Its that simple. From past experiences I still think the innocence of true Girls in Kyiv is lost. It is getting harder to find the real diamonds who will be true GFE's compared to country such as Belarus. Well thats's all for now.

Stevie69
07-01-09, 13:40
Greetings. This a report of my last trip, in February; I was there for 10 days. Before starting with the details, I will just reiterate the wonderful things that have been said about Kiev women. Really, every 30 second your eyes will feast on the sight of an elegantly dressed gorgeous babe. I will not go into a detailed report of every girl I met. I was there for 10 days, so it is a long list and my memory is hazy, but I will describe general patterns and I will try to emphasize the change in the economy.

I had a multi-pronged approach: non-pros, internet pros, RP, bar/disco girls, and I found one more source: shop girls.

Before I got there I had selected several pro girls from the internet and even phoned them up before I got there, to see if the phones were real. As soon as I arrived I started phoning them up. The bullshit followed: no English, the one you like is not available, hang ups, etc. When you agree to something the problem is that the girls pictured are not the ones that show up at your door. I think GIA photos are legitimate, even if photoshoped, but with the rest of the sites it is like playing dice. After refusing 3 times (4 girls-one was a double), I decided to give up for the night. I just do not like turning away girls; they always think they have a right to 20 USD for a taxi (where the fuck are they going? Odessa? And what the hell is wrong with the metro? ! ). I figure they should be paying ME for wasting my time with fake photos, so I sent them away empty handed, but I after 3 times I started to worry that they would send the mafia after me. Anyway, I gave up on that for the rest of the trip.

I had also contacted several regular girls, who were looking for real relationships, supposedly. I am looking for a real relationship, but planning to have as much fun as I can until I get one. The problem is that most girls are only interested on having an expensive dinner or night out with a foreigner, and are not really interested in anything more, either developing a long term relationship or spending the night. You can figure out whether you have any chemistry in the first 5 minutes, but some girls I contacted wanted to have a date for the entire night, and were offended when I hinted that I just wanted to meet for 30 minutes. I had a list of about 20, met about 10, out of which 7 were just party girls, and 3 were potentially interesting. I have kept in touch with all 3 and will visit them again.

At Arena downstairs there are always some girls hanging about. Their prices are ridiculous, of course, but they are willing to negotiate. On a Tuesday I picked up a girl or perhaps 28, and perhaps not the best possible, but certainly attractive enough, for only 70 USD. Has she been dressed more elegantly sexy I would have gone for it. Instead I headed for the River Palace. I just like the process of eying the babes, chatting them up, etc.

Again, River Palace is the ultimate fantasy bar. The RP is full of sexy girls in little miniskirts all willing to go with you for the right price. I just love the atmosphere, even if the prices as too high and I often went home alone. Despite the lagging economy, the girls were starting their bidding at 300 USD for 2 hours, but I got the impression that, compared with the last time I was there, they were quicker to go down to 200 USD. So, 200 USD is probably the actual starting negotiating price. I got one for 1000 UAH (1 USD = 8 UAH at the time), another one for 800 UAH both for a long longer than 2 hours, and a third one for 1500 UAH for the entire night. I think I was at the RP 5 nights out of 10.

During the day, I had the most fun with regular girls: waitresses, shop girls, etc. These girls are more honest, more used to actual work, and more open to actual relationships. There are many other girls who wander the streets in their sexy outfits, but I found that regular girls at shops are actually better and prettier. They might not be dressed as sexily, but when you meet them again later in the night, you will be amazed! Just open the conversation with any question. For instance, I could not figure out how to reload my phone, asked a girl, we talked, met later that day, and the next day too. I also had a great time with one of the waitresses at Pattipa.

At Pattipa and other bars the girls are nice to look at, and if you have some game and a little money, you might be successful, just like anywhere else in the world. , The only difference is that in Kiev the girls are prettier and better dressed than at your home town, and yes, maybe a little more interested in you. The drawback is that they do not speak English so your best compliments, witticisms, and humour are wasted on them. I think it comes out mostly even, except that they are nicer to look at and if you do score, you are more likely to take home a true beauty.

What I really love about going to Kiev is that after a few hours there I walk around with a big smile, and with full confidence. It is like a course on how to be a man. I think I need a refresher course soon!

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Doctor_Skank
07-01-09, 15:23
You cannot go into Clubs and throw money about as I have seen many crazy men do by the sight of Girls. The only thing that will happen is security will throw you straight out of the club on your ass. Its that simple. Since when does security throw out guys spending money in clubs?

Namster
07-01-09, 21:51
We met through the Flirt.


How about sharing HOW you got your girlfriend?

I'm not sure that simply being yourself and not throwing money about, will be enough information for the rest of us, to be completely informed.

Namster
07-01-09, 21:55
Only in certain Clubs. I have seen a grown man get thrown out of a club whilst constantly harrasing a girl dancing and eventully throwing money at her to dance for him. Quite embarrasing actually. But he deserved to be thrown out :)


Since when does security throw out guys spending money in clubs?

Namster
07-01-09, 21:59
Which part of her body ? Do i need to draw you pictures? How old are you?


Yes, how? And, above all, which part of her body do you have sex with?

Harlei
07-01-09, 22:44
The girl looked 100% similar to the photo, very attractive, slim.

She likes to be caressed and has a sexy voice , it helped a lot in the action.

She didn't kiss, cuni agreed to do for extra but there was no anal.

The process was traditional, the body was tender with velvet skin.

I wanted to relax and succeeded . good choice

http://katerina.escort-site.com

Doctor_Skank
07-01-09, 23:35
Only in certain Clubs. I have seen a grown man get thrown out of a club whilst constantly harrasing a girl dancing and eventully throwing money at her to dance for him. Quite embarrasing actually. But he deserved to be thrown out :)Haha... which idiot actually THROWS money at a girl? But normally in a club,spend all the money you want or can borrow... the management approves.

Gergiev
07-02-09, 05:29
Depending of the person.

British ammbasador in Uzebkistan meet a pro there a married her.

But his career after that most probably didn't sky rocketed.


Kurenda,

Not just as simple as that.

In the context of this forum, I think it's unfair to describe Nadira Murray as a "pro" in the sense that these terms are usually discussed around here...

Prosal
07-02-09, 08:34
In the context of this forum, I think it's unfair to describe Nadira Murray as a "pro" in the sense that these terms are usually discussed around here...
Right.

FM Bar, the strip bar where she worked in Tashkent, is not a P4P place. Girls are there *only* to dance (most are gorgeous BTW, great place indeed).

If one accepts a date outside, it's because you've hit it off with her, not because she wants to sell her ass.

Cruiser D
07-02-09, 22:21
Stevie, you are a man after my own heart. I caution everyone to stay away from club girls. If you are truly looking for a serious relationship start with the 'normal' very attractive girls. If you want instant sex, hire a pro or go to RP. You often come across girls looking for an expensive dinner. While I certainly can't blame the girls, I'm always up front about just saying I am only interested in meeting for drinks. And if you do ended up (wanting) to take a girl out to eat ALWAYS pick the place. I had quite a few average girls try to steer me to Buddha Bar the last time I was in Kyiv (the latest 'to be seen place'). I felt like saying, are you freakin insane, you are a 5 and I wouldn't even take my 8 or 9 model girlfriend there. I of course refrained and just said, no.

Namster, I thought you weren't going to tell anyone about that night in Arena when I was throwing money at the girls.

Dr S, I'm feeling some Superbowl love this year, too early? :)

Cruiser D
07-02-09, 23:47
The neon lights are no longer flashing; the roulette wheels have spun their last turn. Casinos across Russia closed their doors Wednesday as a sweeping ban on gambling went into effect, less than a week after a similar ban hit neighboring Ukraine. Lawmakers in both countries say the actions were necessary to bring under control spiraling addiction and a notoriously shady business. But critics say the moves will leave hundreds of thousands out of work and force the industry underground.

Until June 25, the River Palace was one of the most popular casinos in Kiev, buzzing with customers trying their luck in rooms awash with the sounds of pinging bells and clicking roulette balls. But now the place is deserted, filled only with an eerie silence. The timing couldn't have been worse for Olha Stupak, who was one of the casino's senior supervisors. With a child about to enter university, car-loan repayments to make and rent to pay, she's going to struggle to get by on her savings and unemployment benefits. "I'm looking for work, but it's difficult because of the crisis," she says, looking around at the empty tables. "I know all about roulette, poker and blackjack. But other jobs require different work experience."

Start123
07-03-09, 00:48
Been to that place two weeks ago, got to know some hookers there. What I don't get is that you have to act like in a regular bar, go up to girls and intruduce yourself and see if she wants to talk to you. There are more men than women and not that many attractive women.

I spent there 3 night and didn't even realize it was a hooker bar. It looked like a regualr bar game to me. So It kinda pissed me off that I had to do all this work to hit on a girl and then pay for sex anyway.

One night this dog ugly hooker came up to me named Lyda. She had an even uglier friend name Vika (Victoria). Geesus. Who would fuck that! ?

We talked a little and I asked her how things work here so here from the horses mouth:

Every night there are same girls. Prices are from 150 dollars/ hour ish. You can probably negotiate to 70 USD. Depends on a girl.

Pretty girls are in demand and taken right away and no negotiation is possible with them.

Luda is a very nice person it turns out, very friendly and approacheble. She is a chubby blond. Tons of make up on her face and she is in her late 20s. Find her and ask her to hook you up with a girl you are interested in, she might help you. All hookers speak perfect english, italian, spanish and I am sure other languages. I was really blown away by that!

I wonder how they learned all those languages. LOL.

That's about it. Not a good place to pick up a pro, just not enough hot girls there.

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Vitruvian Man
07-03-09, 06:31
How long is the apoteka open at Tsum on Monday? My flight is arriving round 7pm and I would like to hook up with some blue ones for the first night. If the one in Tsum is not open long enough. Could someone name other options?

Thanks

Cruiser D
07-03-09, 16:12
Start, only the girls at the bar sitting by themselves or with other girls are working. And yes, they tend to be average at best. If you wanted to test your game and not your wallet you should have tried a table with all girls sitting at it. A good rule of thumb in the Ukraine and in most countries, if you see a girl sitting at a bar by herself she's working, or at least looking for something more then a drink.

Since you obviously read this forum one wonders why you were sitting on your ass at the Arena bar when you could go upstairs to the disco and troll the much better looking girls at the bar there. Or go to River Palace. Or go to a strip club. Or...Or... Or go do anything other then what every expat guy does and sit at the Arena bar. :P

Start123
07-03-09, 22:13
Start, only the girls at the bar sitting by themselves or with other girls are working. And yes, they tend to be average at best. If you wanted to test your game and not your wallet you should have tried a table with all girls sitting at it. A good rule of thumb in the Ukraine and in most countries, if you see a girl sitting at a bar by herself she's working, or at least looking for something more then a drink.

Since you obviously read this forum one wonders why you were sitting on your ass at the Arena bar when you could go upstairs to the disco and troll the much better looking girls at the bar there. Or go to River Palace. Or go to a strip club. Or...Or... Or go do anything other then what every expat guy does and sit at the Arena bar. :PI was thinking the same to myself the whole time we were sitting there! Why the hell we go somewhere else? ! We were there in the beginning of the week and I didn't even know there was a club upstairs. Plus on the top of that, it took me the whole night to realize that women were there to "work".

Have you (anyone who reads this) seen two blonds with really short haircuts hanging out there? They set for two hours seemingly having a very involved conversation. I thought of approaching them but pussied out at the last minute, as usual. I wonder if they were hookers too. Cause I would pay anything. LOL.

AColonizer
07-04-09, 03:48
Congratulations: that is a typical situation in Kiev, nice enough if with precautions.

Just some hints:

- girls ask for taxi money but they seldom catch a taxi, they usually catch a bus or the underground, those money are just a cheat;

- if you don't accept girls and you don't pay taxi money, no fear of criminals' revenge, because girls know that's only a try to cheat you and they don't deserve any money, and moreover you should phone to the agency and blame with it, it may happen the agency understands you and it sends another girl to you;

- about serious relationships, Ukrainian women always prefer Ukrainian men, and if some Ukrainian women live or get married with foreigners, this happens because they are trying to get some material conveniences from foreigners (big penis, children, economic stability, Western passport, etc. but not real "free love").


Greetings. This a report of my last trip, in February; I was there for 10 days. Before starting with the details, I will just reiterate the wonderful things that have been said about Kiev women. Really, every 30 second your eyes will feast on the sight of an elegantly dressed gorgeous babe. I will not go into a detailed report of every girl I met. I was there for 10 days, so it is a long list and my memory is hazy, but I will describe general patterns and I will try to emphasize the change in the economy.

I had a multi-pronged approach: non-pros, internet pros, RP, bar/disco girls, and I found one more source: shop girls.

Before I got there I had selected several pro girls from the internet and even phoned them up before I got there, to see if the phones were real. As soon as I arrived I started phoning them up. The bullshit followed: no English, the one you like is not available, hang ups, etc. When you agree to something the problem is that the girls pictured are not the ones that show up at your door. I think GIA photos are legitimate, even if photoshoped, but with the rest of the sites it is like playing dice. After refusing 3 times (4 girls-one was a double), I decided to give up for the night. I just do not like turning away girls; they always think they have a right to 20 USD for a taxi (where the fuck are they going? Odessa? And what the hell is wrong with the metro? ! ). I figure they should be paying ME for wasting my time with fake photos, so I sent them away empty handed, but I after 3 times I started to worry that they would send the mafia after me. Anyway, I gave up on that for the rest of the trip.

I had also contacted several regular girls, who were looking for real relationships, supposedly. I am looking for a real relationship, but planning to have as much fun as I can until I get one. The problem is that most girls are only interested on having an expensive dinner or night out with a foreigner, and are not really interested in anything more, either developing a long term relationship or spending the night. You can figure out whether you have any chemistry in the first 5 minutes, but some girls I contacted wanted to have a date for the entire night, and were offended when I hinted that I just wanted to meet for 30 minutes. I had a list of about 20, met about 10, out of which 7 were just party girls, and 3 were potentially interesting. I have kept in touch with all 3 and will visit them again.

At Arena downstairs there are always some girls hanging about. Their prices are ridiculous, of course, but they are willing to negotiate. On a Tuesday I picked up a girl or perhaps 28, and perhaps not the best possible, but certainly attractive enough, for only 70 USD. Has she been dressed more elegantly sexy I would have gone for it. Instead I headed for the River Palace. I just like the process of eying the babes, chatting them up, etc.

Again, River Palace is the ultimate fantasy bar. The RP is full of sexy girls in little miniskirts all willing to go with you for the right price. I just love the atmosphere, even if the prices as too high and I often went home alone. Despite the lagging economy, the girls were starting their bidding at 300 USD for 2 hours, but I got the impression that, compared with the last time I was there, they were quicker to go down to 200 USD. So, 200 USD is probably the actual starting negotiating price. I got one for 1000 UAH (1 USD = 8 UAH at the time), another one for 800 UAH both for a long longer than 2 hours, and a third one for 1500 UAH for the entire night. I think I was at the RP 5 nights out of 10.

During the day, I had the most fun with regular girls: waitresses, shop girls, etc. These girls are more honest, more used to actual work, and more open to actual relationships. There are many other girls who wander the streets in their sexy outfits, but I found that regular girls at shops are actually better and prettier. They might not be dressed as sexily, but when you meet them again later in the night, you will be amazed! Just open the conversation with any question. For instance, I could not figure out how to reload my phone, asked a girl, we talked, met later that day, and the next day too. I also had a great time with one of the waitresses at Pattipa.

At Pattipa and other bars the girls are nice to look at, and if you have some game and a little money, you might be successful, just like anywhere else in the world. , The only difference is that in Kiev the girls are prettier and better dressed than at your home town, and yes, maybe a little more interested in you. The drawback is that they do not speak English so your best compliments, witticisms, and humour are wasted on them. I think it comes out mostly even, except that they are nicer to look at and if you do score, you are more likely to take home a true beauty.

What I really love about going to Kiev is that after a few hours there I walk around with a big smile, and with full confidence. It is like a course on how to be a man. I think I need a refresher course soon!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Cruiser D
07-04-09, 12:01
If they are sitting at the Arena bar for hours on end there is only a 99.9999999999% chance they are hookers. I'm sure IL can tell you their name, price and what they usually have to eat or drink.

AC, most of the foreign men dating girls are spoiled - some to an extreme extent, some to a minor. Even the lightly spoiled girls are going to expect taxi money - between 20-50uah. Unless they are absolutely crazy about the man they've met, it happens to me quite a bit (shhhh Irish Lad, don't tell him about the girl I gave 400uah for a taxi). For you I suggest making sure you always have a few 10, 20 and 50 uah notes on you. If the girl asks for money before you even meet or asks for more then 50uah you are dealing with a taxi scammer. I almost never pay for the taxi to the meeting place - I've done it 4 or 5 times and only pay for the taxi home about 30%-40% of the time. However I always walk them to the metro. :)

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about shutting the door on some 160cm 80kg girl that was sent to your door. I generally meet the girl outside the building or at least in the entry way. I could see why some guys might have a problem with that - outside cops, inside getting embaressed by neighbors.

Maybe that's your experience AC. But I have more then a few Ukrainian girls plunging pins in the chest area of voodoo dolls of my likeness for not having married them, have a family..etc..etc. Not to say the culture difference can't be a huge problem but English speaking girls looking to date foreign guys aren't doing it because they want to date Ukrainian men, even those with money.


I was thinking the same to myself the whole time we were sitting there! Why the hell we go somewhere else? ! We were there in the beginning of the week and I didn't even know there was a club upstairs. Plus on the top of that, it took me the whole night to realize that women were there to "work".

Have you (anyone who reads this) seen two blonds with really short haircuts hanging out there? They set for two hours seemingly having a very involved conversation. I thought of approaching them but pussied out at the last minute, as usual. I wonder if they were hookers too. Cause I would pay anything. LOL.

AColonizer
07-04-09, 14:32
Nice words.

Just add something.

I was shocked too many times in serious or semi-serious relationships with women. I know that is the average for a "good" man looking for something lasting. Moreover, some Ukrainians, both male and female, explained what Ukrainians actually think: an Ukrainian female wants a "real man", with Ukrainian standards, and if she is engaged with a foreign "good" man, then that is only for her own temporary convenience (big penis, children, economic stability, Western passport, etc.), with no exceptions. And by this female behaviour, I can explain every females and everything about females, and all the rest are just futile illusions (or unsuccessful hopes).

Of course, the story is the opposite about "bastard" men, but because they play the same women's dirty game and they actually don't mind anybody, exactly as women.


If they are sitting at the Arena bar for hours on end there is only a 99.9999999999% chance they are hookers. I'm sure IL can tell you their name, price and what they usually have to eat or drink.

AC, most of the foreign men dating girls are spoiled - some to an extreme extent, some to a minor. Even the lightly spoiled girls are going to expect taxi money - between 20-50uah. Unless they are absolutely crazy about the man they've met, it happens to me quite a bit (shhhh Irish Lad, don't tell him about the girl I gave 400uah for a taxi). For you I suggest making sure you always have a few 10, 20 and 50 uah notes on you. If the girl asks for money before you even meet or asks for more then 50uah you are dealing with a taxi scammer. I almost never pay for the taxi to the meeting place - I've done it 4 or 5 times and only pay for the taxi home about 30%-40% of the time. However I always walk them to the metro. :)

Yeah, I wouldm't worry about shutting the door on some 160cm 80kg girl that was sent to your door. I generally meet the girl outside the building or at least in the entry way. I could see why some guys might have a problem with that - outside cops, inside getting embaressed by neighbors.

Maybe that's your experience AC. But I have more then a few Ukrainian girls plunging pins in the chest area of voodoo dols of my likeness for not having married them, have a family..etc..etc. Not to say the culture difference can't be a huge problem but English speaking girls looking to date foreign guys aren't doing it because they want to date Ukrainian men, even those with money.

DJ FourMoney
07-04-09, 15:01
If they are sitting at the Arena bar for hours on end there is only a 99.9999999999% chance they are hookers. I'm sure IL can tell you their name, price and what they usually have to eat or drink.

AC, most of the foreign men dating girls are spoiled - some to an extreme extent, some to a minor. Even the lightly spoiled girls are going to expect taxi money - between 20-50uah. Unless they are absolutely crazy about the man they've met, it happens to me quite a bit (shhhh Irish Lad, don't tell him about the girl I gave 400uah for a taxi). For you I suggest making sure you always have a few 10, 20 and 50 uah notes on you. If the girl asks for money before you even meet or asks for more then 50uah you are dealing with a taxi scammer. I almost never pay for the taxi to the meeting place - I've done it 4 or 5 times and only pay for the taxi home about 30%-40% of the time. However I always walk them to the metro. :)

Yeah, I wouldm't worry about shutting the door on some 160cm 80kg girl that was sent to your door. I generally meet the girl outside the building or at least in the entry way. I could see why some guys might have a problem with that - outside cops, inside getting embaressed by neighbors.

Maybe that's your experience AC. But I have more then a few Ukrainian girls plunging pins in the chest area of voodoo dols of my likeness for not having married them, have a family..etc..etc. Not to say the culture difference can't be a huge problem but English speaking girls looking to date foreign guys aren't doing it because they want to date Ukrainian men, even those with money.

I'd say that's pretty actuate. If I said Larisa, come to the US on K1 she would be getting all her papers and shit together...."I not bring baby, we come for her later..."

I just want one of those about 7-8 years younger and one less child equaling zero...

That's a work in progress requiring another visit, soon...

I think AC talks to hookers and forgets that tiny fact when making these observations...

Piper1
07-04-09, 15:53
As an experiment in pre-crisis Kiev a couple years back I put up a fake girl profile together with my girlfriend just to see what kind of response we would get... J'Accuse! I just spent weeks spamming myspace and facebook with an inviting email, looking to meet girls in London and Kiev. But I was out-spammed by dozens of fake profiles, including girls (or guys) pretending to be in London or Kiev, but eventually asking me to call them for a long phone chat. When I looked up the number prefixes, they were in Nigeria (money making scam via suckers' phone charges). So I just started replying by asking them to call me (but giving each Nigerian scammer another Nigerian scammer's number to call).

Eventually I sorted the wheat from the chaff, and have narrowed it down to my current favorite (the 28 y.o. black/French fashion student an hour from London), plus a few back-ups who are suddenly coming out of the woodwork as my visit is only few days away. Now I'm torn - do I bring her to Kiev, or leave her in England and play with one of two genuine professional mid-20s Kiev girls (one sweet-looking blonde IT analyst and a hot looking tall slim fashionable brunette with amazing blue cats eyes - but she's an accountant :(). Both the Kiev girls are playing it straight ("I'll be happy to show you around my beautiful city"), but the Black girl upped the ante last night when she asked if I'm married. When I said yes, she became excited, as it meant a naughty vacation fling with no strings attached, and her follow-up messages became increasingly erotic over last night.

Meanwhile, as I write this on ISG, I'm literally switching screens to a 22 y.o. Jamaican British Midlands student on myspace who says she is "intrigued by my offer" and asking me now what my budget would be for her spending money and sightseeing in London (she's never been there) and what exactly did I have in mind when I say "romance and intimacy". She is staying online now waiting for my answer, so I better go. She's much cuter than the Black/French girl, so I'm thinking $150/day plus lingerie gifts.

Razkolnikov
07-05-09, 17:53
first the ban on gambling last week. at least in russia they gave the casinos a few years notice, in .ua they gave them two-three months.

then 5 days ago, yushchenko signed a ban on porn. this newspaper states possession gives you up to 3 years in jail. http://www.mosnews.com/society/2009/06/30/ukrporno/

other fsu headlines this week are

woman blasts off boyfriend’s penis with firecrackers
hairdresser turns robber into sex slave
5 cm. fir tree removed from patient’s lung
russian woman on trial for [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) 10 men
russian girl in intensive care after restoring virginity 6 times

and now theyre renaming a village near zaporozhye after michael jackson: http://www.mosnews.com/society/2009/06/30/michaeljacksonukraine/

fuck i love this country!!

Irish Lad
07-06-09, 01:52
How long is the apoteka open at Tsum on Monday? My flight is arriving round 7pm and I would like to hook up with some blue ones for the first night. If the one in Tsum is not open long enough. Could someone name other options?

ThanksHi,

There are several 24 hour pharmacies. The most central one is 50 metres to the right of Fridays/Il Patio as you face them on Bessarabska square.

Start123
07-06-09, 02:45
first the ban on gambling last week. at least in russia they gave the casinos a few years notice, in .ua they gave them two-three months.

then 5 days ago, yushchenko signed a ban on porn. this newspaper states possession gives you up to 3 years in jail. http://www.mosnews.com/society/2009/06/30/ukrporno/

other fsu headlines this week are

woman blasts off boyfriend’s penis with firecrackers
hairdresser turns robber into sex slave
5 cm. fir tree removed from patient’s lung
russian woman on trial for [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) 10 men
russian girl in intensive care after restoring virginity 6 times

and now theyre renaming a village near zaporozhye after michael jackson: http://www.mosnews.com/society/2009/06/30/michaeljacksonukraine/

fuck i love this country!!is this ever for real?

i am leaving this crazy country tomorrow and i think i am just starting to understand them.

ukranian girls remind me cuban girls. they think short term in everything. they would rather sell them selfs for 100 dollars than trying to marry you and move to a country where they can make their own living!

Van Velen
07-07-09, 17:25
Hello all,

Later this month I will travel with a (female) Moldovan friend to the Ukraine. Our goal is to make some videos for a future website. The style will be erotic rather than pornographic and will feature strictly girl-girl action. The necessary equipment, interpreter, studio, and of course capital are already in place. All that is needed now are the girls themselves. We are not sure yet about the best way to find them (internet, bars, beaches, etc), or in which city we will settle.

If there are people here who feel they would like to contribute, share their experience there, or in some other way provide some help that would be highly appreciated. Post here or contact me through Private Messages, I respond to them all.

PS I apologize for posting this in more than one thread, but I feel this is necessary due to some uncertainties in our plans as of yet.

It Travel
07-08-09, 13:32
first the ban on gambling last week. at least in russia they gave the casinos a few years notice, in .ua they gave them two-three months.

then 5 days ago, yushchenko signed a ban on porn. this newspaper states possession gives you up to 3 years in jail. http://www.mosnews.com/society/2009/06/30/ukrporno/

other fsu headlines this week are

woman blasts off boyfriend’s penis with firecrackers
hairdresser turns robber into sex slave
5 cm. fir tree removed from patient’s lung
russian woman on trial for [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) 10 men
russian girl in intensive care after restoring virginity 6 times

and now theyre renaming a village near zaporozhye after michael jackson: http://www.mosnews.com/society/2009/06/30/michaeljacksonukraine/

fuck i love this country!!

surely the virging girl episode might be true, saw several ads selling virgin (fake) 18-19 y.o. girls... :eek: do you think there is a 19. y.o. virgin in whole kiev... may be a dog!

i love it too! and i'm crazy for the skinny teen blondinkas! :p :p :p

it

It Travel
07-08-09, 13:39
unfortunately the nice 18teen brunetka i choose did not show up at all, nor did she answer to sms or phone (only music). i think it’s just a way to get the phone charged! little pig!

so i did not want to go to on a back up pro. and tried to manage the chubby natasha! yes nice face, nice blue eyes, nice hair of that strange color not brown, not blonde. she is 22/171 and something around 78 or so! yeah some timeas among the skinny ones you can take a chubby too. i took her mostly because she answered on www.flirt.com.ua that she loves anal! :eek: saying a such thing to me! she must be drilled at once!

of course a big part of the overweight are in the two watermelons she has instead of boobs! dd size! with 5 cm nipples! not a skinny blondinka, but it’s like eating every day fresh caviar sometimes you have to change.

i met her in front of mandarin plaza, and we just chit chat and got home… looked at mtv on the sofa chatting with mtv and after five minutes started deep kissing and cuddling. she was using the tongue like a digging machine! after a while i was touching her nipples and they were very reactive! kissed them and they just became hard: two little dark pink mountains! in some more minutes i had the hands in her little jeopardized pants! like niagara falls! :p

i like this kind of girls for gfe, it’s like going to bed with your girlfriend… wet and horny. but my last girlfriend was 36 not 22!!!!

finally we got naked on the bed after one hour so of chatting, kissing, licking… she started to make a handjob and just licked my nuts (i made no request), and was liking my cock like an ice cream, looking at me in the eyes! the suckling piglet know the work!!!! :p

she started sucking and after a while deepthoating, i could feel all the cock in her mouth, she had only to suck the nuts too! i simply decided to give her my first dtci (deep throat cum injection), so i did, she just went on sucking and left my best friend soft, happy and clean after some minutes i cummed in her thoat.

just after i started touching and fingering her red knob (clito of course) and she seemed very happy… making all the right noises and getting even more wet! if she is an actress she can have an award for special effects.

it was time for cow girl… yes she is riding like a horse or a rabbit… she does not get tired… so she rode me twice and a half (was too sleepy), it was already 1 a.m. so we decided to go to sleep. i was tired from the travel: car + two flights + car again and some hassle for the house, so i thought: ok when tomorrow morning i’ll be rock hard (as usual).

i’ll take her rear pink hole (sitting in the middle of a 107 cm round and soft popka!) at least twice… she had to be in some office at 11 a.m. so we had plenty of time.

at 6.30 she rushed in the bath and came back after some minutes with a real unhappy face. i have to go home and change! i have to take the “eletricka” and get back to centrum… my period! i need to change. :( what shall i do? she was dressing up, i was sitting in the sofa, with a rock hard cock… and she was looking and laughing. yes i said you leave me so? no she said. it was like a vacuum cleaner.

natasha can use the mouth and the tongue it’s sure. a bbbj + cim + swallowing. i got happy, and she got a dietetic protein based breakfast! just 15 minutes of work. a real pity for her pink hole!

may be we meet on saturday. i hope to get her in a learning anal session like with inga (have all the needed tools, so you might se the photos! :eek: ) and make her getting crazy!

damage: 300 usd, 1 cialis 20 mg, 3 condoms (two shots were directly in mouth!).

natasha:
gfe: 9; kissing: 9
sex: 7.5
bbbj + cim + swallowing: 8.5 ([CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) and mt still better)
aesthetics (if you like chubby ones): 7; just 7-8 kg more than a full figured woman

it

ps will see if i post some of her photos…

It Travel
07-08-09, 21:49
It is nearly incredible how naïve some UA girls are… Incredible
I had booked Katya, a nice, skinny, reddish with freckles… 24 y.o. “administrator at a stomatolog” (who knows a little bit of Russian understands). Nice and tiny! But far better in the pics she sent to me…

Should be a nice fuck (pierced in the belly and in the tongue too!). She argued in the chit chat, that she could eventually do anal too. But she is so naïve that she came with a girlfriend. Nastya (Natasha) a 23/180/65 (my opinion)/1 brunetka… WOW! By the way she is working for an Italian company and speaks passable English ad two words Italian.

We should go for a drink and then for a wine/cheese/prosciutto & salame meal at my home! May be in the Jacuzzi…
The girls looked out to be really naïve they never asked me for some money or for something (apart drink and food), just before going… “we need to go shopping”… so I gave them happily the money asked (we agreed on 250 € for 24 hours for one girl on www.flirt.com.ua, but of course they got less, fucked like rabbits but not for 24 hours).

We started at Arena, always a good place for impress the dyev. (girls) because it’s expensive by UA standards (and Italian too) and the food is shit! But seems very sophisticated. Cocktails (I went for light beer), a horrible “tartare de saumon” (the cook is crazy it tastes soya sauce not salmon, I can do it far better myself) and a California Roll… all chit chatting for 65 € :(

We went to my home and they asked “where is the Jacuzzi?”. In the bath of course! They looked and said it’s for two. Of course I did not answer that I planned to fuck only Katya!

We started preparing food (just two minutes for cutting chese) and here I understood, for me as an Italian, how the Ukrainian taste is crazy. “Do you have ketchup?” For what? Was the answer… for the ham, ham is good with ketchup… Ohhh! My 18 months Parma ham I flied from Italy with ketchup? My original Salame! Oh shit. But I managed the girls to eat how it is. And they took a lot (of course it is good!), and a lot of cheese. They drunk a bottle of wine each… (after two heavy cocktails each)… you can imagine… just girls not Russian sailors!

At the end the Piglets were naked (and a little bit drunk) in two minutes in the Jacuzzi… and I was trying to get in there. Funny! I was masturbating Nastya while Katya was masturbating me with a feet and I was kissing her… We were drinking in the Jacuzzi too (me water! Borjomi, far better than Gatorade or such things).

After half an hour with salts in the water we got finally in the bed… mmmm
Absolutely no to porno pics, but I managed to photo them kissing each other, and the pussys… Not really bisexual, but real pigs. Of course no ask for BBBJ, was done on spot, and when Nastya was riding me cow girl Katya was licking my nuts WOW! When Katya was riding me Nastya was making pics of cock and pussy (the piglet! She was using her camera!) and we were looking all in the side mirrors. I choose the right apartment!

It came out that while I was fucking missionary Katya that Nastya was doing herself… what a better occasion to take out my tool box? A nice red vibrator was introduced in Nastya’s pussy while Katya was laughing to death. I drilled (with the vibrator) her like a crazy… I think all the house was hearing what happened today!

I was fingering anally both with no hostile reaction… but unfortunately at 11 pm (we met at 3 pm) they had to go home. A hard day with two piglets in the bed for seven hours or so. Do not even remember the shot count, but used a 12 box of condoms! You know going from flower to flower like a bee… :p

Damage
Arena bill 650 UAH (65 € approx.)
Condoms 85 UAH, one 20 mg Cialis.
Ham and cheese brought from home and two bottles of wine from Mandarin 40 €
300 € for the girls (both not each).
Totally let’s say 400 € for two pigs in the bed for late afternoon and all the evening, really pigs, while I was masturbating Nastya with vibrator Katya was licking the nipples…

Girls
Katya
GFE: 8 Kissing: 8
Sex: 7
BBBJ: 7
Aesthetics: 6.5, far better when naked, really 55 cm waist! Perfect for doggy!

Nastya
GFE: 7 Kissing: 9.5 (one of the best kissers ever, she can use tongue, lips and teeth too… but not using the skills on the cock!)
Sex: 7.5
BBBJ: 6.5
Aesthetics: 7.5, Sharapova body type just heavier (not much) wonderful tiny tits (A- cup) nipples getting like a hard cherry when sucked. Good riding!

Both: always wet! So I booked them for the day after I have a date with a real skinny blondinka today (skinny not anorexic)! May be I manage to shoot them with my Rimowa ;) as done for Miss U. And Ivol (probably the most beautiful girl I have ever fucked, for my taste, but only a 7 in sex, unfortunately now she is married and unavailable)

I’ll post the pics when home.

Just one consideration, getting in bed with two girls (pigs not nuns) is far better than the double of one! There is some “pervert” in this, having a nice face kissing you while the other girl is riding… mmm :p :p

IT

Bez Bezarra
07-10-09, 04:22
bez, your dilapidated grainy shots are tiresome.



kajagoogoo v.

oops, i forgot, you don't take any clear pics cause you got a new computer but now you just sit home alone imagining that you have girls, instead of going out to find real girls.

that's why you're so bitter that you can only insult my photos, gilligan-vaseline!

i should stop posting photos, since they aren't high enough quality for you, and i'm sure all the other members like you that post such perfect quality hot girls photos all the time, will agree that yours are the only photos that should be allowed. your photos are certainly adequate enough, so that isg doesn't need any more, especially any of mine, in fact, jackson should delete every photo i ever posted, because they can't measure up to your minimum standards.

in fact governor-vas deferens, for now on, let's propose to jackson he make you administrator of all foto galleries, everyone must submit fotos to you first, nothing posted without your your approval. with your dedication to quality control, and such highly regarded editing abilities and experience being a world-renowned modeling photography critic, you could eliminate forever tiresome graininess and unworthy furniture.

here's another example of below garp-vegetable's standards, plain-jane skank foto that should be prohibited from isg, thank god we have geek-vagina as quality monitor now to censor fotos that don't meaure up to grape-vulva's snooty tastes.

vera trampova: 6.5 for beauty, but solid 10 for attitude, for her unlimited kneeling and jaw-strength stamina, and for making every orifice naturally pre-lubed and available in her attempt to please. she knows no limits, and will happily shove cucumbers in all 3 holes simultaneously if that's what it takes to please. (well, that's what it took for me, anyway)

born for porn:

It Travel
07-10-09, 07:55
Third day, I should have met with Tania a wonderful skinny blondinka 20/170/49/1 or so..., just filled 20 last week. But it was a no show for lunch! Se sms me that her mother was bad (! Usual excuse!!!).

So I went at the restaurant my own and had a nice lunch, went shopping and making deals for my ikra shopping and made a deal with Katya (a pro back-up), meeting at 8 p.m. So I was going to the bar (Arena) with a friend, but she phoned me at 7 p.m. was already there!

So I went, made some drink shopping and we went home. Kissing cuddling, making some pictures (no porno, but she is a nice and elegant girl).

In sex she is tight and nice, but the BBBJ and handjob are too harsh for me. A little bit too hard. Tight and nice and making excellent cow girl holding her on my knees so you see all the way from the clito to the face :p , but se becomes tired very quickly… despite she is doing a lot of sport. Will not fuck her more. A so so session arrived 7 p.m. and went away 9 a.m.

A pity: a day with good food, nice shopping, nice conversation(on pussy market in Kiev), and… so so fuck. But four shots three in the evening and one in the morning, could have been taking her twice, but I have a meeting with the two suckling Tanya and Katya at 1 p.m. Lunch and then they will explore the anal world! :D :D

A change: I'll meet them later, but they will both sleep... so tomorrow morning they will get a proper morning anal session each! :p :p

Katya

GFE: 6 a little bit too in hurry; Kissing: 7.5
Sex: 6.5 a little bit too mechanic, not naïve!
BBBJ: 6.5 a mixture of BBBJ and handjob.

Aesthetics: 7.5, even better when naked, really Perky A cup tits, and those 4 kg more well distributed, soft and silky tanned skin.

Damage
Drinks and Cakes 70 UAH, some condoms, and a Cialis
300 USD for the girl (nice, but in sex not worth… more than 200)


IT

Diceman
07-11-09, 20:46
Just finished a 2 week stint in kiev and had great time, but had a few ups and downs, I had a normal girl with me from kiev for most of the time, but in between her going to work I managed to get in a few meetings. I had been with my girl most of the week at arena watching tennis, plenty of people there for the final on the Sunday, there are some lovely youm=ng girls working there, tho most of them full of attitude, picked up my copy of kiev post and made a few calls from the classifieds, called one and stressed to the girl, I want young skinny 18-19 year old, its not what turned up, she arrived about 22 sexy enough but not what I expected, the usual "can I have money for taxi? " I said "no" she calls boss, boss says I should pay her, I say, no, so she says ok, no problem, so we get down to the action, which was 400 grivna, ok price. Got her private number off her and had her come back couple days later for 300, can't complain. Now heres the downside of my trip, its early afternoon, I'm in my apartment online, I'm logged into mambo chat site, up pos a message from girl in kiev, aks how I'm doing, I said "fine" she says do I want to meet? I said "yeah sure" what for? She says "sex" so by now I'm really keen, so we have a bit banter, I try to get her phone number but she avoids this, just says I'll contact you at 8pm, kept on hassling me for my address in kiev, I left it at that and forgot about it. Just yesterday my kiev normal girl takes me to the airport, we said goodbye, she was crying and what have you, puta an envelope into my hand and tells me to read on the flight, when I read it, she said that she was disappointed that I had agreed to meet her "friend" on mamba, I was shocked, weather it was a setup or what I don't know, I've been online and went to read the history of conversation I had with this girl but her profile is deleted. I've now lost a really nice normal girl in kiev. Just to warn you guys in case you find yourself in same situation, weather it was just bad luck or coincidence I don't know. Anyway, I found a nice massage salon just up from krechatik which was very nice, at least 4 girls who work there and its 24 hours easy to find and the girls are university types, young tight little bodies. I tred 2 of them, price was 300 grivna for hour, I asked for a 30 minute stint and got it for 200, with nice handjob to finish, can touch tits and pussy on the outsde. Anyone wants info please pm me.

To be continued

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Diceman
07-14-09, 22:39
Just wondered if any you guys out there using an I phone theres a good download available of Russian/ukraine metro maps, its really cool and is in english and Russian language. When you select Russian, and click on kiev it shows you the metro stops in cyrilic, and when you go onto english it shows you in the other format we can understand. Its also a good conversation point when your on the metro I got chatting to plenty of girls. Download from your handset is metrorus, I think is 59p. Ok getting back to massage places, I found one about 4 stops out from teatralina, its on the green line and its called pecherska, the street you need is called staronavodnitskaya, building 8a, apartment26. Id say a taxi there from the metro mentioned, I walked and it only took 10 mins, but I was lucky to find it. Basically 7-8 large apartment blocks. Phone number is 963835677. I got there and was shown 3 girls, all nice, I chose katya, a tall young leggy blonde, with lily white skin, just how I like them, she was wearing a bright scarlet long figure hugging dress, with a slash up the sides, and best bit, matching red high heels, that done it for me. She took me in room, stripped and we lay on the bed, she had lovely body, gave me lovely titty fuck, remember this is a massage only so no touching the pussy, but I thought I'll try my hand anyway, I had a bit rub on the outside, she never stopped me so I carry on a bit more, next thing I'm on top of her and licking her pussy, then licking her arse shes loving it, goosebumps all over, I don't push my luck so lay back let her do her stuff, she brings me to a nice oily finish. I gave her a little thai massage which I learned in Thailand, put her in lotus position, got behind her with her hands on her head, and swivelled her back and cracked a few bones, she was very impressed, its always a nice touch, got her number and she asked if I will take her out, so, lovely, next time I'm in kiev, shes primed. I will write about the other massage place I found just off kreshatik, that has some real university girls working there.

It Travel
07-15-09, 14:18
Got again the two little pigs Katya (not the last one just the couple one) and Nastya :p :p

They were not so in to anal, but I slipped a second size anal plug in to Katya with no problem, she surely could get the big one! The same for Nastya.

Nastya is just a little pig, she is always fingering herself (I mean several times a day!) so I used my vibrator for some time, with real good results!

The pigs had to go for some work in the day so they stayed two nights approx 7 p.m. to 10 a.m. nice evening and morning fucks BBBJ CIM but absolutely no sex photos :( a real pity).

They were so nice that I decided to get them twice, Friday evening and Sunday evening… no costly thing 300 € for both and a dinner and some wine and fruit at home, and it was all…

Nastya was leaving me some blue prints on the body… yeah blonde/brunetka, 184-5, 23 y.o around 70-5 kg, small perky tits wow, and thight and most important usually wet and having real orgasms… what do you want more!

Will post photos tomorrow! :eek:

IT

Onlysurvivor
07-15-09, 20:53
After reading JTownJoe's report I decided to go for the GIA experience.

I called GIA twice and all the girls were booked. It's better to call before 10.00pm if you want a chance to get a girl. So I skipped the GIA experience and went to the top-models web site. I searched for english speaking and "real photo" criteria. Many of the numbers are not valid anymore. So I dediced to pick up the most recent ad (select sort by date). And I must thank God for this chance, I picked Masha: http://www.top-models.com. Ua/? Id=2535

My experience is very simple: photos are real, she is even better in real. A very charming and adorable young blond girl. I had one of my best GFE experience ever. I stayed for more than 2 hours in her very clean apartment and gave her 200 US$; we had a very nice evening together chating, playing and having very good sex. She told me that she is selective with the guys. If you are gentle and respect her. She will give it back to you in double. She told me that she used to work at GIA and she was very positive about it. So next time I'll go again with Masha and try a GIA girl. I had a few weeks ago a RP experience and it's actually fun but I'll do it just once. The girls try to spend 1h with you and run quickly back home.

Good luck in your hunting,

Poisson1Hi,

I would like to check this girl out, I believe she has also worked as "Vlada". Do you have an updated number for this girl? The number listed is not working. If anyone has a working number I would be grateful, please PM me.

[Link to Photo deleted by Admin]

TIA,

Onlysur,

vivor

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It Travel
07-19-09, 10:09
At the end…


Yeah may be I have to answer to Bez too…

Yeah when I stay with a girl for a day I do that! That does not mean that I fuck her 24/24, we sleep, we eat we make Jacuzzi etc etc etc. And of course there is a lot of cuddling, masturbating, fucking etc etc… Like when we were in the Jacuzzi: Katya was doing a footjob at me while I had two fingers deep in Nastyas’s pussy and was kissing them alternatively… :p and drinking some wine… nice way to make a bath!

Bt the way a lot of time was spent making proper treatment on Nastya (in the photo section I confuse her with Tanya) with a huge vibrator… mmm sweet wet deep DATY! :p We were staying hours in the Jacuzzi, eating drinking and fucking (I think there is no wrong thing!)… by the way Katya (not Katya 1), had a nice tongue piercing.. A nice reason why she was my favorite option for CIM, unfortunately no swallowing! On Sunday morning (after two days of work) her mouth was a real cumdump!

By the way no one of the girl I got (apart Katya 1) was openly asking for sponsoring, so you might get easy girls with no hassle for some $$$ just after some chit chat… naïve and all getting wet (not in the Jacuzzi)

Lt’s say I was a little bit disappointed from two girls.

Kristina a 18/176/56/2 nice brunetka, she was just 18 and two weeks :eek: when in Kiev, but she did not show up… a real pity I think I could have put my tongue in her pink for hours… You know a girl answering you “I’m too young for doing anal”… you will be disappointed if you loose her! http://flirt.com.ua/Lugynichka/ on vacation now, but when back if somebody wants to try...

Tanya was the same 20/171/49/1 skinny blondinka, ready to be sponsored but… she never showed up too… a real pity. She was not asking for sponsoring but when she filled 20 she downsized her age again to 19! Little pig… http://flirt.com.ua/mus100/ the perfect skinny type I wouldlike to handcuff to the bed and then workout properly her three pink holes!

Next time I’ll go for younger only… my targets were 21-24… 18-19 is far better!!! May be a nice teen pussy tasting session?

This is the type I’ll go for next time… http://flirt.com.ua/belozka100/ Just filled 18 yesterday :eek: and look at the self naked portrait (unshaved skinny girl)… I wont be annoyed for a week or so with this brunetka! :p

My next trip types… (of course may be others but..)
http://flirt.com.ua/sport785676/
http://flirt.com.ua/rixana18/
http://flirt.com.ua/tenish/

Some asking for sponorship some not...
Nice, naïve, young, tasty pussy! I’ll soon be back in Kiev!

IT

PS Photos of all the girls nailed are posted in the photo section

Eros74
07-19-09, 10:39
It Travel really geat choice !!!

Funny the photo of belozka100, it seems she took photo of herself while she was in bathroom of hotel after have sex with a monger LOL.

Rixana18 is really a top notch ! A sort of younger, more beautiful version of MT :)

I wish you truly success with them and I am looking for you to share their pics here ;)

Keep on the good work

Cheers

It Travel
07-19-09, 14:19
Belozka 100 is a little jewel! should be drilled immediately but unfortunately I'm home :( otherwise she would be on my kitchen board with open legs... the best aperitive before ikra! young teen pussy juice! :p :p :p

Another 19teen homegrown seeking for a sponsor! http://flirt.com.ua/kitten12777/

A really skinny one...
http://flirt.com.ua/rixana5/


IT

Waryman
07-21-09, 23:26
Hello,

I'am returning to Kiev since 2006 and I don't know if the scene has changed a lot or not thanks to the economic crisis.

I remerber being to the floating casino known as riverboat. Lots of eye-candy but usually expensive (USD 300 but open to bargaining) and rather low quality-price ratio service.

On the other side you could pick some girls in bigger casinos that had a disco. More open to P2P and better service than riverboat.

Furthermore I knew tho or three flats near Khresatik but I didn't remember. Service around USD 60/hour. Good service and tipping the girl you usually got BB sex or anal.

Finally, back then there were some streetwalkers around Shevchenko and at a litte cafe kiosk near the metro stop "Hidropark". Prices were fair but quality usually low.
Does anybody know if there are streetwalkers around?

I would appreciate if you could review the current situation specially flats and streetwalkers near Khresatik.

Thanks

Kurenda
07-23-09, 00:03
Use this link:

http://flirt.com.ua/index.phtml?lang_id=3&sold=TrXw3jsXNUmrekpJomMwHCv5HIoHumVk

Or the starting page:

http://flirt.com.ua/

scroll to the bottom (Язык:) and click on english.

Keep in mind translated is only basic text, and what user personally writes is not.

Cruiser D
07-23-09, 02:11
Wary, the $60 apartments (the one's Bez can never find but everyone else seems to be able to) are $80 or $100 now.

Waryman
07-23-09, 06:50
When will you arrive to Kiev?Hello,

Early August. I plan to stay around two weeks.

Waryman
07-23-09, 06:58
Wary, the $60 apartments (the one's Bez can never find but everyone else seems to be able to) are $80 or $100 now.Hello,

Do you know any adresses or telephones (I don't know if those can be posted).

Also I am very interested in the streetwalker scene: And with this I don't necessarily mean the crack***** type. In other former FSU countries this chapter also contains some girl- next-door type amateur p2p girls who were usually at weekends around big streets or in nearby alleys: You exchange looks, they chat you up sometimes in a very broken english or german and guess the rest. If found they are the best choice for my taste as if you are not too ruined physically you get GEF service.

By the way, Riverpalace is still open?

Regards

James T Kirk
07-23-09, 17:41
Hi guys,

Somebody could suggest where are streets with streetwalkers?

Diceman
07-24-09, 02:16
Wonder if you boys can suggest somewhere other than Kiev to take my Russian girlfriend, as my Kiev girfriend might see me wandering around I can't afford to take the chance, I thought of Odessa but don't want to travel to far, can anyone suggest a nice small city/town maybe an hour out of Kiev thats got nice vibe and bit of nightlife/restaurants etc? And apartments for rent.

Thanks in advance

Cruiser D
07-24-09, 05:00
Do you guys even try to search the forum?