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Hi fellow mongers!
First of all thanks to master mongers who shared their wisdom and experiences through PM for our upcoming visit to Ukraine. I do not want to give out names to avoid bashing on this forum which I find it a pity.
Me and a buddy of me, (both 30 y/o), who are young professionals will arrive in Kiev on July 29. My buddy will be flying to Turkey on Aug 6. And from there on, I will be on my own.
THE PLAN
Stay in Kiev until Aug 6, and then I will move to Odessa in the following days until Aug 19.
STRATEGY
I have been in touch with several chickas through icq and flirt for the past few days. The ones from icq are quite low profile and mostly non pros. Since neither of us know russian, we are limited..Yet there is the universal communication tool : BODY LANGUAGE & Money. We are not going for stats, but to have quality sex and adventure. I will be signing to a fastrack russian course and getting russian lessons from nonpros in return of a favor they desire.
PITFALL
I know that this trip was not planned in time since I work in construction business and our project came to a halt out of the blue..Hence I tried to arrange everything in a week! Anyways, I am big supporter of Carpe Diem so let's see what Ukraine will offer us in terms of random adventures!
TOOL SET
1- Electronic translator
2- Prepaid phone card to be purchased (would appreciate if someone advise the procedure how to get one in ukraine)
3- Condoms
4- Camera, Vid Recorder
5- Perhaps renting a car/moped
Would be interesting to meet up with fellow mongers to have a drink..
For those so inclined, courtesy of the Kiev Post, is a listing of some strip clubs as well as sex shops in this city. Here's the link:
http://www.kyivpost.com/guide/general/45788
Emaginal
1) eh
2) A Ukrainian sim card will cost you around $1-10. Get one or all the girls will view you as a one shot sex tourist.
3) Very good idea
4) eh
5) A car is a hinderance in Kyiv. Only rent one if plan on traveling intercity. Even then it's a waste of time unless you plan on visiting a lot of cities - which I doubt you are.
Emaginal
1) eh
2) A Ukrainian sim card will cost you around $2-10. Get one or all the girls will view you as a one shot sex tourist.
3) Very good idea
4) eh
5) A car is a hinderance in Kyiv. Only rent one if plan on traveling intercity.
I would Answer so....
1) mmm translator? apart going on flirt etc... you do not need one... just use your tongue :D the dyev will understand!
2) Good advice Crusier...
3) Condoms? Why not Cialis... :D
4) May be but not all the girl will agree... just some...
5) as in Moscow a car in Kiev is just a source of problems... but if you would like to impress the dyev rent a Mercedes S Class it's worth the pain of no parking, no drinking and lots of problems, I usually use the metro by far quicker and safer!!!! (and for the same rent of a S class I get an 18teen...)
Just my two cents IT
Some preliminary info: I'm 40 yo, I have long term experience in CIS countries, I speak good Russian.
I'm in Kiev for almost a week already, tomorrow I will fly back home. I came here for a minor business and decided to stay longer for relax and meeting the local talents.
My almost exclusive source of contacts is Mamba, otherwise I try to get to know in the street or disco. Before entering the country I already had a handful of normal girls' phone numbers and several providers' ones as well.
I realize now that this report is very long and don't contain any really useful information for other members. So if you don't like it please let me know and I will delete it.
The first day I was entirely free, I booked a flat very close to Kreshatik and in the afternoon, immediately after my arrival and a shower I call the first contact. She was looking for sponsorship, very glamourous photos, we had some chat before and decided to meet, we didn't mention money. We agree to meet in 2 hours at the metro station nearby the flat. When she arrives I was shocked, so much photoshop in the photos. She was not very pretty, much chubbyer and shorter than she declared to be. We sit in a coffee and have a talk, at least she was interesting and somehow I liked her personality in real life as during the correspondence. However I could not understand where the meeting was going to end, there was no sign of us liking to each other or having any form of kino. She solves the issue, when after one hour she asked me why I wanted to meet. I said because I liked her and she replied that we can be somehow friends and meet again in the future if we have time or spend some time together now, but she needed financial help. I thought about it and for a couple of minutes wanted to refuse, I was feeling that it would be a waste of time and money but then decided that before coming here I really wanted to have this girl (even if I was thinking at the photoshopped one.) and proposed 500 gr. She said let's go and in 5 minutes we were inside my flat. At that point she started to hug me and kiss me, in a jump we were together in the bath tub under the shower where we start some oral foreplay and while she wash my back and ass she kneels and put her tongue between my buttocks and there she stays until I drive her to the bed. We had fantastic sex, she was even willing to take my cum in the mouth and massage me and lick my back while I was reting after the first shot. All together she staid more than one hour and left me empty and satisfied.
The second day I was free only after dinner and still pleased by the first day session so I decided to meet a beautiful girl who was looking for friendship or love, there was some chemistry between us but nothing more than a good night kiss.
The third day I'm free for the whole day, so at lunch time I call some hookers to hear their voices and see if someone is willing to come over. I manage one to agree to visit me for 600 gr for one hour and a half. I meet her downstairs, she is not a stunner (I had no idea about her look, I just received some indications) but enough for being accepted. As soon as she enter the flat she asks the money, plus taxi fee that was not mentioned before. I said that I will pay after the deed but she disagree, saying that they normally meet only at their place and she accepted to come over only exceptionally. So I hand her 650 gr with the promise that she will do her best to please me and we go to the shower. She keep her word and really put extra effort in everything, she has a super mouth and knows how to use it. When we are doing doggy I see that her second hole is clearly open and used to receive intense treatments and I ask for a back ride. She is very funny and says: I'm not ready, you should have told me before! I said "what's the issue? " and she says: "look yourself if you want". I put a finger and I immediately feel that she is right)) All together a very nice fuck, professional but with passion and good mood. After one hour and ten, while we rest, she tells me that time is over, she has to leave. I know it's not true but I'm tired and satisfied and I don't want to argue.
I spend the afternoon walking alone in the center and after dinner I go back home and search mamba for something new. After one hour I find a girl who has a very normal profile but looks to me somehow **** and after some conversation I start to make her proposals and she is clearly interested but ask for 2-3 hundreds dollars for a meeting. We talk by phone and I offer max 100 for 1-2 hours, any kind of sex, and we don't reach any agreement. I go back to the site for further research and while I'm discussing with a nice 35 yo lady who is apparently looking for marriage an all nighter for 1000 gr (clearly she looks also for money) the former contact write me a message saying that if I want she can come over to my place in half hour and stay 2 hours for 1.000 gr, any sex. I decide to accept and call her back to tell exact address.
This was a mistake. After half hour she call me and tell me that she is almost ready but I find out she leaves very far, she will need an additional half hour of taxi. Ok I will waqit. After the additional half hour I call her and she tell me she is in the cab, will arrive soon. Other 20 minutes passes and I call her again, same reply, I will arrive soon. She arrives after additional 10 minutes when my mood is aready spoilt and I feel tired and not aroused any more. I go to open the door and she is pretty and shy, really too slim (breast almost not existent) but nice legs and ass. Before I even close the door she asks for money, and taxi fee. I'm not happy with it and I say that I pay later, but she starts saying that after I will not do it, that she need the money and that she is afraid, she is just a girl and blablabla. I realize that she is maybe just a girl in desperate need of money and I shouldn't have tried to persuade her here, so I offer to pay her taxi home. She says no, that she already came here, she prepared herself and she need the money, if I don't want to do anything she still expect the full payment. The situation is unreal, then she comes to me and says "don't worry, I will do everything you want, as long as you won't make me pain.". So I tought ok, let's do also this one.
I pay her 1050 gr (she complains but I don't care) and we go to the shower where she was my dick extremely carefully but without any feeling real or simulated. On the bed she start to say that we have to be very careful, many illnesses can be sexually transmitted, we don't have to touch each other too much and I should put the condom on immediately. Again, unreal situation, I let her suck me for some minutes while she thinks about I don't know what and I see as only possible way out a good doggy style with me not forced to see her shy and shameful eyes. We do it for 10-15 minutes and when she starts to complain that I should not push too strong I got fed up and decided that it was time to get some value for my money and time and asked to pass to anal.
She becomes pale and syas she doesn't think it will be possible, my dick is too big and she started to do it only in the last time, she is not expert. So I said she should not have agreed to it and that if she doesn't want to do it she can give me back my money and leave. At this point she stand up und reach her purse and I see her coming back with gel. She oil herself well than show me the ass and says"it will be very painful for me." I don't give a damn and go for it. But she indeed was too tight. When I try to open her with two fingers I see that she cannot release her muscles. She begs me to be careful. I succeeded in entering her partially and among some of her screams and mutual pain we go on for several minutes. We never reach the point when the initial stress and disconfort becomes pleasure and I decide to finish this unlucky trial. She goes to the shower for some relief and when she is back I fuck her missionary style until I can come and immediately ask her to disappear, thing that she does promptly, after that I go to sleep not properly happy.
The day after I wake up late and horny. I go to Mamba and chat with some pink photos profiles, most of them mechanically run by a dispatcher, until I find a good one (I mean real, with realistic photos). We talk about price and service, have a phone call and since it's very early in the day (arouns 13.00) she agree to come over to my place for 600 gr. She arrives in 10 minutes, she looks worse than in the photos but I immediately like her. After 10 minutes of small talk and a glass of wine she hugs me and kiss me, asks for money and lead me to the bathroom. I pay her and we have a nice shower together with some petting, then go to the bed for a wonderful time, very passionate and steamy (even with air conditioning). When I finish we take a shower and go back to the kitchen for additional wine. Then we look at the clock and realize that more than an hour has already passed. So she ask permission to leave, we kiss some more and she leaves.
In the evening I arrange a meeting with a normal girl, also from Mamba. We meet at the metro station and she decide that we have to go to an Italian restaurant nearby. I don't like the fact that she takes the situation in her hands but I'm almost at the end of my stay and I don't want to seem too tough. So we walk 5 minutes and sit at the table, where she ask for pasta, a salad and a glass of good wine. I hate when the first meeting goes this way, it's going to cost me around 2-300 gr and most likely there will not be anything in exchange. However for some strange reason this time I was lucky. While eating she looks at me for long time, give good feedback, we touch hands and when someone calls she says she is busy and will be for long time. Under the table I touch her legs, no problem. So I move beside her pretending to show her a paper. She order more wine, we talk, again more wine and more touching under the table. We kiss. She wants to order more but I propose to go to my place where I have better wine, she agrees. W order a taxi and in 10 minutes we are at my place and start to make out in the stairs. When she enter the flat she is already without underwear.
We go to the kitchen and then on the sofa, while she drinks wine I DATY her till she comes loudly. Then she is like a machine, undress me and put her tongue in every place of my body, then we move to the bath tub, shower together and start to fuck there. We spread water everywhere in the house. Then I throw a towel on the sofa, she stick her head in the corner seat and throw the ass to the air, start to finger it and open it with both hands. I think it's a dream but when I try to enter her she move my dick further down and replace it with the finger. And so we did it, a long, long doggy with her hands one on top of her back fingering her ass and one below touching her clit and my balls, and the head hidden in the corner of the sofa. Great. Then we rest for some time and drink more wine, I myself start to be drunk and after maybe half hour I feel horny again. I take her, open the window and ask her to put her head out. She bends over and I do her again doggy, while she cover her mouth with one hand in order not to scream loud. More relax, more wine and then it's already almost 2 o'clock in the night and she leaves, since today she has something to do in the morning.
Conclusions: in Kiev sex is greatly available and cheap. Not so cheap as I expected (I was not able to persuade any provider to come over to my place for less than 5-600 gr, but I didn't try too hard). I believe that if you visit a salon you can have one hour for 400 gr. If you are a nice guy and reasonably good looking it should not be a problem to find a girl for free, but you probably have to speak Russian. If she is hungry, she likes you and you know how to move fast to higher level of intimacy then you can expect to have a ride for free even at the first meeting.
My suggestions:
Don't leave in hotels because they are usually expensive and might creat hassles when you go back with someone. Rent a flat very close to Kreshatik or other famous streets in the center and near a metro station. Nowadays with 500-600 gr/day you have a lot of good options. Take a cheap laptop with you and chat with the girls when you are at home with free time. The computer is also very handful when you need to create comfort and you can use it to play songs that you like, show photos of your country or see some movies with the freebies girls. Buy some good wine, chocolate and candies and alcohol in a good supermarket and keep them at home. Maybe also some caviar or tasty things ready to eat. Don't offend the girls offering money in the wrong way. Either they ask for it and you are a customer, either they don't ask for it but probably hope that you make them a present and it this is the case just make your proposal in a not pffensive way and hope that they accept it, otherwise the situation will become awkward.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Skip the Rhino clubs Jojo, they are just like American stripclubs - you give a girl lots of money for nothing. afaik most of the other stripclubs in Kyiv allow take out. Try semi pro hunting at Arena or will the semi pro's be hunting you? ;)
Anyone know if this is done in Kyiv? If so where?
Some preliminary info: I'm 40 yo, I have long term experience in CIS countries, I speak good Russian.
I'm in Kiev for almost a week already, tomorrow I will fly back home. I came here for a minor business and decided to stay longer for relax and meeting the local talents.
My almost exclusive source of contacts is Mamba, otherwise I try to get to know in the street or disco. Before entering the country I already had a handful of normal girls' phone numbers and several providers' ones as well.
I realize now that this report is very long and don't contain any really useful information for other members. So if you don't like it please let me know and I will delete it.
The first day I was entirely free, I booked a flat very close to Kreshatik and in the afternoon, immediately after my arrival and a shower I call the first contact. She was looking for sponsorship, very glamourous photos, we had some chat before and decided to meet, we didn't mention money. We agree to meet in 2 hours at the metro station nearby the flat. When she arrives I was shocked, so much photoshop in the photos. She was not very pretty, much chubbyer and shorter than she declared to be. We sit in a coffee and have a talk, at least she was interesting and somehow I liked her personality in real life as during the correspondence. However I could not understand where the meeting was going to end, there was no sign of us liking to each other or having any form of kino. She solves the issue, when after one hour she asked me why I wanted to meet. I said because I liked her and she replied that we can be somehow friends and meet again in the future if we have time or spend some time together now, but she needed financial help. I thought about it and for a couple of minutes wanted to refuse, I was feeling that it would be a waste of time and money but then decided that before coming here I really wanted to have this girl (even if I was thinking at the photoshopped one.) and proposed 500 gr. She said let's go and in 5 minutes we were inside my flat. At that point she started to hug me and kiss me, in a jump we were together in the bath tub under the shower where we start some oral foreplay and while she wash my back and ass she kneels and put her tongue between my buttocks and there she stays until I drive her to the bed. We had fantastic sex, she was even willing to take my cum in the mouth and massage me and lick my back while I was reting after the first shot. All together she staid more than one hour and left me empty and satisfied.
The second day I was free only after dinner and still pleased by the first day session so I decided to meet a beautiful girl who was looking for friendship or love, there was some chemistry between us but nothing more than a good night kiss.
The third day I'm free for the whole day, so at lunch time I call some hookers to hear their voices and see if someone is willing to come over. I manage one to agree to visit me for 600 gr for one hour and a half. I meet her downstairs, she is not a stunner (I had no idea about her look, I just received some indications) but enough for being accepted. As soon as she enter the flat she asks the money, plus taxi fee that was not mentioned before. I said that I will pay after the deed but she disagree, saying that they normally meet only at their place and she accepted to come over only exceptionally. So I hand her 650 gr with the promise that she will do her best to please me and we go to the shower. She keep her word and really put extra effort in everything, she has a super mouth and knows how to use it. When we are doing doggy I see that her second hole is clearly open and used to receive intense treatments and I ask for a back ride. She is very funny and says: I'm not ready, you should have told me before! I said "what's the issue? " and she says: "look yourself if you want". I put a finger and I immediately feel that she is right))
All together a very nice fuck, professional but with passion and good mood. After one hour and ten, while we rest, she tells me that time is over, she has to leave. I know it's not true but I'm tired and satisfied and I don't want to argue.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Some preliminary info: I'm 40 yo, I have long term experience in CIS countries, I speak good Russian.
I'm in Kiev for almost a week already, tomorrow I will fly back home. I came here for a minor business and decided to stay longer for relax and meeting the local talents.
My almost exclusive source of contacts is Mamba, otherwise I try to get to know in the street or disco. Before entering the country I already had a handful of normal girls' phone numbers and several providers' ones as well.
I realize now that this report is very long and don't contain any really useful information for other members. So if you don't like it please let me know and I will delete it.
The first day I was entirely free, I booked a flat very close to Kreshatik and in the afternoon, immediately after my arrival and a shower I call the first contact. She was looking for sponsorship, very glamourous photos, we had some chat before and decided to meet, we didn't mention money. We agree to meet in 2 hours at the metro station nearby the flat. When she arrives I was shocked, so much photoshop in the photos. She was not very pretty, much chubbyer and shorter than she declared to be. We sit in a coffee and have a talk, at least she was interesting and somehow I liked her personality in real life as during the correspondence. However I could not understand where the meeting was going to end, there was no sign of us liking to each other or having any form of kino. She solves the issue, when after one hour she asked me why I wanted to meet. I said because I liked her and she replied that we can be somehow friends and meet again in the future if we have time or spend some time together now, but she needed financial help. I thought about it and for a couple of minutes wanted to refuse, I was feeling that it would be a waste of time and money but then decided that before coming here I really wanted to have this girl (even if I was thinking at the photoshopped one.) and proposed 500 gr. She said let's go and in 5 minutes we were inside my flat. At that point she started to hug me and kiss me, in a jump we were together in the bath tub under the shower where we start some oral foreplay and while she wash my back and ass she kneels and put her tongue between my buttocks and there she stays until I drive her to the bed. We had fantastic sex, she was even willing to take my cum in the mouth and massage me and lick my back while I was reting after the first shot. All together she staid more than one hour and left me empty and satisfied.
The second day I was free only after dinner and still pleased by the first day session so I decided to meet a beautiful girl who was looking for friendship or love, there was some chemistry between us but nothing more than a good night kiss.
The third day I'm free for the whole day, so at lunch time I call some hookers to hear their voices and see if someone is willing to come over. I manage one to agree to visit me for 600 gr for one hour and a half. I meet her downstairs, she is not a stunner (I had no idea about her look, I just received some indications) but enough for being accepted. As soon as she enter the flat she asks the money, plus taxi fee that was not mentioned before. I said that I will pay after the deed but she disagree, saying that they normally meet only at their place and she accepted to come over only exceptionally. So I hand her 650 gr with the promise that she will do her best to please me and we go to the shower. She keep her word and really put extra effort in everything, she has a super mouth and knows how to use it. When we are doing doggy I see that her second hole is clearly open and used to receive intense treatments and I ask for a back ride. She is very funny and says: I'm not ready, you should have told me before! I said "what's the issue? " and she says: "look yourself if you want". I put a finger and I immediately feel that she is right)) All together a very nice fuck, professional but with passion and good mood. After one hour and ten, while we rest, she tells me that time is over, she has to leave. I know it's not true but I'm tired and satisfied and I don't want to argue.
I spend the afternoon walking alone in the center and after dinner I go back home and search mamba for something new. After one hour I find a girl who has a very normal profile but looks to me somehow **** and after some conversation I start to make her proposals and she is clearly interested but ask for 2-3 hundreds dollars for a meeting. We talk by phone and I offer max 100 for 1-2 hours, any kind of sex, and we don't reach any agreement. I go back to the site for further research and while I'm discussing with a nice 35 yo lady who is apparently looking for marriage an all nighter for 1000 gr (clearly she looks also for money) the former contact write me a message saying that if I want she can come over to my place in half hour and stay 2 hours for 1.000 gr, any sex. I decide to accept and call her back to tell exact address.
This was a mistake. After half hour she call me and tell me that she is almost ready but I find out she leaves very far, she will need an additional half hour of taxi. Ok I will waqit. After the additional half hour I call her and she tell me she is in the cab, will arrive soon. Other 20 minutes passes and I call her again, same reply, I will arrive soon. She arrives after additional 10 minutes when my mood is aready spoilt and I feel tired and not aroused any more. I go to open the door and she is pretty and shy, really too slim (breast almost not existent) but nice legs and ass. Before I even close the door she asks for money, and taxi fee. I'm not happy with it and I say that I pay later, but she starts saying that after I will not do it, that she need the money and that she is afraid, she is just a girl and blablabla. I realize that she is maybe just a girl in desperate need of money and I shouldn't have tried to persuade her here, so I offer to pay her taxi home. She says no, that she already came here, she prepared herself and she need the money, if I don't want to do anything she still expect the full payment. The situation is unreal, then she comes to me and says "don't worry, I will do everything you want, as long as you won't make me pain.". So I tought ok, let's do also this one.
I pay her 1050 gr (she complains but I don't care) and we go to the shower where she was my dick extremely carefully but without any feeling real or simulated. On the bed she start to say that we have to be very careful, many illnesses can be sexually transmitted, we don't have to touch each other too much and I should put the condom on immediately. Again, unreal situation, I let her suck me for some minutes while she thinks about I don't know what and I see as only possible way out a good doggy style with me not forced to see her shy and shameful eyes. We do it for 10-15 minutes and when she starts to complain that I should not push too strong I got fed up and decided that it was time to get some value for my money and time and asked to pass to anal.
She becomes pale and syas she doesn't think it will be possible, my dick is too big and she started to do it only in the last time, she is not expert. So I said she should not have agreed to it and that if she doesn't want to do it she can give me back my money and leave. At this point she stand up und reach her purse and I see her coming back with gel. She oil herself well than show me the ass and says"it will be very painful for me." I don't give a damn and go for it. But she indeed was too tight. When I try to open her with two fingers I see that she cannot release her muscles. She begs me to be careful. I succeeded in entering her partially and among some of her screams and mutual pain we go on for several minutes. We never reach the point when the initial stress and disconfort becomes pleasure and I decide to finish this unlucky trial. She goes to the shower for some relief and when she is back I fuck her missionary style until I can come and immediately ask her to disappear, thing that she does promptly, after that I go to sleep not properly happy.
The day after I wake up late and horny. I go to Mamba and chat with some pink photos profiles, most of them mechanically run by a dispatcher, until I find a good one (I mean real, with realistic photos). We talk about price and service, have a phone call and since it's very early in the day (arouns 13.00) she agree to come over to my place for 600 gr. She arrives in 10 minutes, she looks worse than in the photos but I immediately like her. After 10 minutes of small talk and a glass of wine she hugs me and kiss me, asks for money and lead me to the bathroom. I pay her and we have a nice shower together with some petting, then go to the bed for a wonderful time, very passionate and steamy (even with air conditioning). When I finish we take a shower and go back to the kitchen for additional wine. Then we look at the clock and realize that more than an hour has already passed. So she ask permission to leave, we kiss some more and she leaves.
In the evening I arrange a meeting with a normal girl, also from Mamba. We meet at the metro station and she decide that we have to go to an Italian restaurant nearby. I don't like the fact that she takes the situation in her hands but I'm almost at the end of my stay and I don't want to seem too tough. So we walk 5 minutes and sit at the table, where she ask for pasta, a salad and a glass of good wine. I hate when the first meeting goes this way, it's going to cost me around 2-300 gr and most likely there will not be anything in exchange. However for some strange reason this time I was lucky. While eating she looks at me for long time, give good feedback, we touch hands and when someone calls she says she is busy and will be for long time. Under the table I touch her legs, no problem. So I move beside her pretending to show her a paper. She order more wine, we talk, again more wine and more touching under the table. We kiss. She wants to order more but I propose to go to my place where I have better wine, she agrees. W order a taxi and in 10 minutes we are at my place and start to make out in the stairs. When she enter the flat she is already without underwear.
We go to the kitchen and then on the sofa, while she drinks wine I DATY her till she comes loudly. Then she is like a machine, undress me and put her tongue in every place of my body, then we move to the bath tub, shower together and start to fuck there. We spread water everywhere in the house. Then I throw a towel on the sofa, she stick her head in the corner seat and throw the ass to the air, start to finger it and open it with both hands. I think it's a dream but when I try to enter her she move my dick further down and replace it with the finger. And so we did it, a long, long doggy with her hands one on top of her back fingering her ass and one below touching her clit and my balls, and the head hidden in the corner of the sofa. Great. Then we rest for some time and drink more wine, I myself start to be drunk and after maybe half hour I feel horny again. I take her, open the window and ask her to put her head out. She bends over and I do her again doggy, while she cover her mouth with one hand in order not to scream loud. More relax, more wine and then it's already almost 2 o'clock in the night and she leaves, since today she has something to do in the morning.
Conclusions: in Kiev sex is greatly available and cheap. Not so cheap as I expected (I was not able to persuade any provider to come over to my place for less than 5-600 gr, but I didn't try too hard). I believe that if you visit a salon you can have one hour for 400 gr. If you are a nice guy and reasonably good looking it should not be a problem to find a girl for free, but you probably have to speak Russian. If she is hungry, she likes you and you know how to move fast to higher level of intimacy then you can expect to have a ride for free even at the first meeting.
My suggestions:
Don't leave in hotels because they are usually expensive and might creat hassles when you go back with someone. Rent a flat very close to Kreshatik or other famous streets in the center and near a metro station. Nowadays with 500-600 gr/day you have a lot of good options. Take a cheap laptop with you and chat with the girls when you are at home with free time. The computer is also very handful when you need to create comfort and you can use it to play songs that you like, show photos of your country or see some movies with the freebies girls. Buy some good wine, chocolate and candies and alcohol in a good supermarket and keep them at home. Maybe also some caviar or tasty things ready to eat. Don't offend the girls offering money in the wrong way. Either they ask for it and you are a customer, either they don't ask for it but probably hope that you make them a present and it this is the case just make your proposal in a not pffensive way and hope that they accept it, otherwise the situation will become awkward.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
For me is a long but interesting report and I know or have seen here in this forum about Mamba, is this usefull? could you give me the link but English please because I dont speak Russian Thanks
Mamba is a project started by Russian programmists and is a social network made by a database with profiles of the users and several functions that allow you to write messages or chat with the other users. I would define it a mix between facebook and ICQ, except that you don't need to download or install any software in your computer.
You can build your profile and access the database from several websites, all linked to mamba. For example:
www.jdu.ru
www.love.mail.ru
www.flirt.com.ua
.... and many more
As to my knowledge there is not an english version of this program but I might mistake. In any case the profiles are mostly (99% I would say) written in Russian.
For me is a long but interesting report and I know or have seen here in this forum about Mamba, is this usefull? could you give me the link but English please because I dont speak Russian Thanks
report
Entertaining and well-written narrative, and also a good reminder of the benefices of speaking russian.
Thanks
Lostinkiev
07-26-09, 11:15
Hi. Just joined.
Will someone please explain what Sponsorship is in Kiev?
Or steer me to where I can get an explanation.
Thanks!
Skip the Rhino clubs Jojo, they are just like American stripclubs. You give a girl lots of money for nothing. Afaik most of the other stripclubs in Kyiv allow take out. Try semi pro hunting at Arena or will the semi pro's be hunting you? Thank you
In london I use it a warm up exercise before the main show.
Reading about them here and from experience with clubs in poland london prices not bad,
Once I had one very attractive girl giving me s simulated oral in a famoud club here in london.
In tokyo you can actually shag the the the girl uin the private area, and I did. Tokyo must be one of few places
My only wish for our pound to go up again to 230 yen so it becomes affordable again.
Cheers from london
By the way how much do these semi pros in kiev normally ask?
Hi. Just joined.
Will someone please explain what Sponsorship is in Kiev?
Or steer me to where I can get an explanation.
Thanks! A polite term for PAID sex.
It did puzzle me at first as well.
The Maestro
07-26-09, 19:57
Hey,
I've been following ISG for a little while now. Would like to jump into the fray with a question? Has anybody had any success with the Travel section of flirt. Ua. I've been chatting with a cute studentska on flirt. Ua and she would like to come out to Thailand to visit me, on my dime of course. She doesn't want money for sex, just a free holiday with a normal young guy (I'm 33). I guess I'm concerned about getting stung with a false promises.
Anybody tried this approach with Ukrainian dyevs?
The Maestro
07-26-09, 20:21
Hi Guys,
I've been following ISG Ukraine for a little while now. I've enjoyed the posts, especially the stuff by Bez, Skank, Mellie, et al.
I'm wondering if anyone has had any luck with this approach. I've been chatting with this 18 year old beauty on flirt. Ua, and she is up for a free vacation to Thailand, paid by me of course. I'm youngish (33) and she says she's just looking for a paid vacation and nothing more, but sex is implied in our discussion.
I haven't met this dyev, and just concerned that it might be too risky a venture.
Any advice on travel sponsorship? I just don't want to get stung.
Do you guys even try to search the forum? Hello,
Yes.
Only I would be glad to have an update.
In my reports I try to be concise as where, when, how and how much. You may like them or not, but I try not to over-extend myself in fisherman's tales.
- Agencies: Too expensive quality/price ratio. May be fit for americans, but europeans can find the same quality and price in their home countries.
- Mamba: Only useful if you have a GOOD command of Russian. Mine is enough for being understood. Warning: Gentlemen, without at least some basic Russian there is nothing to do in FSU. Just with some basic skills you treble your options.
- Discos: No Russian, no choices. In my experience it is even better german than english.
- Freebies: Good looks and under forty and you can have chances. Over fifty and having the sugar-daddy look is a waste of time. Again basic Russian is mandatory.
So thats why I prefer streetwalkers or little apartments: best quality/price and a more straight attitude if civil to the girls.
Regards
Come on guys, I asked you a week ago for help with suggestions for me to get away to another city close by, maybe no more than 2 hours away, can't afford to bump into my kiev girl while I'm entertaining my Russian girl, I just need a nice alternative with decent restaurants/some nice sights and apartment rental, any ideas?
Come on guys, I asked you a week ago for help with suggestions for me to get away to another city close by, maybe no more than 2 hours away, can't afford to bump into my kiev girl while I'm entertaining my Russian girl, I just need a nice alternative with decent restaurants/some nice sights and apartment rental, any ideas? Ummm. If you want 5 star "ruffing" it. Hop the bus to zhitomyer. 2 nice disco's there. Or go to odessa for the weekend or go express train to lviv.
Diceman, keep in mind that great majority of foreigners coming to Ukraine is staying in Kiev and they don't know about towns around it.
The answer for you is Chernigov. The city is located some 130 km from Kiev, just another provincial place with some 300 000 population but can keep you busy for few days.
About apartment rentals don't know much there are 2 of them in center of town at the crossroad of two central streets. Prospekt Mira and Prospekt Pobedy. Now this operation is run by one of those "marriage agencies" and the price was 70$ a day (one bedroom apartment) but don't know about the price right now.
There are three hotels in town. Two of them are old soviet style not offering much (hotels "Gradetsky" and "Slavanskiy") and third is better."Pridesnyanskiy". As for the restaurants there are enough of them with different cousine like ukrainian, Russian, italian, geogian, etc. Names of reatsurants are "Druzhba", "Gradetskij", "Starij Chernigov", "Hutorok", "Mayak".
During night time you can visit bars and few night clubs, their quality vary, debending what youl like or not like.
For sights there are plenty of them. Chernigov is popular place among Russian tourist. Many old orthodox churches and monastiries are located in Chernigov. Also Chernigov was an important part of the first Russian state, Kyivan Rus. Any Russian will appreciate this so most probably your girlfriend.
What to see in Chernigov: city's oldest section, the Val, churches and monastiries too many of them to mention, main street itself, Boldiny Mountains with old necropolis, St. Anthony monastic cave complex with a whole underground church down there. Also taste Chernigivske Beer. It's advertised as No. 1 in Ukraine but wouldn't know about this.
Now about what most of you are interested. Mongering in Chernigov. Not much to report about this. P4p scene is non existing in the city, guess most girls intrested in this are probably already in Kiev. For freebies can be tricky, most people are very religious. In Ukraine Chernigov is known as "City of God".
But since Diceman will be occupied with his girlfriend he will not have a need for this and most probbly can't do anything anyway.
Chernigov is nice place to visit for 2-3 days to get rest from Kiev but there's no need to go to Chernigov exclusively for mongering purposes.
Kiev is so close and much better.
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Dice, try google maps.
Wary, uh huh. We don't have escorts (Russian/Ukrainian) in America - we barely have anything in this country. Mamba - there is an english version and what isn't in english - google translate. Disco's - Russian does help, not doubt about it. But being a player helps much more. Sugardaddy vs under 40; yeah being a sugardaddy in Russia/Ukraine doesn't work at all :D You ever been to either of these countries?
Mastero, if you must have a girl travel without ever having met her don't send her any money, just buy a ticket in her name she can pick up at the airport.
JoJo, you are getting prostitution confused with sponorship. They are not one in the same. Girls who are prostitutes or guys who use them sometimes like to cover it with the facade of sponorship which is some what more acceptable in the FSU. Sponorship is basically a paid girlfriend, 'helping' her out with her finances. 'Sponoring' a girl for a week is streching it. It's usually a monthly deal.
My work here is done, carry on.
I've never been to Ukraine but was planning to visit and River Palace was one of the places often described. With the casino ban taking effect has that closed the bar at River Palace as well? Has anything taken it's place where girls are hanging out?
Hi Guys,
I've been following ISG Ukraine for a little while now. I've enjoyed the posts, especially the stuff by Bez, Skank, Mellie, et al.
I'm wondering if anyone has had any luck with this approach. I've been chatting with this 18 year old beauty on flirt. Ua, and she is up for a free vacation to Thailand, paid by me of course. I'm youngish (33) and she says she's just looking for a paid vacation and nothing more, but sex is implied in our discussion.
I haven't met this dyev, and just concerned that it might be too risky a venture.
Any advice on travel sponsorship? I just don't want to get stung.
On ground I sponosred serveral girls both here both in Russia the thing is quite simple. There are girls who give sex in exchange of a nice and luxury vacation, thre are girls wanting some pocket money too (of course you will stay for trip, food and gifts). As Crusier said correctly a sponsored girl is usually not a pro. May be she do not like you and will not go even for more money. Most of girl will ask for a "neutral" meeting before and even for photos (It happened so 90% of cases for me).
If you switch mamba, flirt or whatever (the database is always the same) to one of the language you know best you will see a travel companions indication. Often they offer sex in exchange for vacation.
Mind also that a lot of girls are not writing that they are seeking sponsorship or even sex at all... but they will go for a westener. The clear indications are two: no age or large age interval and the serach of economic wellness or maximum sex.
The baby faced 22 y.o. Veronika is one of these girls
http://flirt.com.ua/veronikavip1986/
Same for the baby beauty "Baby"
http://flirt.com.ua/b_aby69/ 19-20 y.o. but declares 18 and seems so... now in vacation in Crimea with parents, but seeking for a week or two in a resort in Turkey... A real pity she was leaving the day I arrived to Kiev otherwise she would have gone a testing!
Another real beauty... (avaliable)
http://flirt.com.ua/If_you_/
Here some openly searching for a sponsor...
http://flirt.com.ua/ket109/
http://flirt.com.ua/vernanaaa/
The best thing, in my opinion is (of course far more costly for you) to make a weekend meeting in Kiev and see how the girl is in reality and in bed (may be she is a log!) and then go to vacations, sometimes I proposed this schema to some girls, usually they acceptet willingly because they have the same doubts about you... will I like him? what will he do in bed.. etc etc...
Just two cents from a sponsorer
IT
PS the favourite destination for UA and RUS teens are Turkish and Egyptian resorts (sometimes Thailand) on ground of easy (just a tax) visa procedures
AColonizer
07-27-09, 09:39
First, try her for some longtime sessions, and for several times. Just after, take her to holiday. This is the only way to avoid horrible surprises.
Promises are just words in the wind, the only real facts are money that you pay in advance for travelling and for pampering her.
And what about the sex, which kind of sex? You always have to go in details about sex performances, just pussy sex with covered blowjobs arent worth the travel. When she says "Vsio", it doesnt mean anything.
The best solution is to have sex with local girls where you stay.
Hi Guys,
I've been following ISG Ukraine for a little while now. I've enjoyed the posts, especially the stuff by Bez, Skank, Mellie, et al.
I'm wondering if anyone has had any luck with this approach. I've been chatting with this 18 year old beauty on flirt. Ua, and she is up for a free vacation to Thailand, paid by me of course. I'm youngish (33) and she says she's just looking for a paid vacation and nothing more, but sex is implied in our discussion.
I haven't met this dyev, and just concerned that it might be too risky a venture.
Any advice on travel sponsorship? I just don't want to get stung.
Dice, try google maps.
Wary, uh huh. We don't have escorts (Russian/Ukrainian) in America - we barely have anything in this country. Mamba - there is an english version and what isn't in english - google translate. Disco's - Russian does help, not doubt about it. But being a player helps much more. Sugardaddy vs under 40; yeah being a sugardaddy in Russia/Ukraine doesn't work at all :D You ever been to either of these countries?
Mastero, if you must have a girl travel without ever having met her don't send her any money, just buy a ticket in her name she can pick up at the airport.
JoJo, you are getting prostitution confused with sponorship. They are not one in the same. Girls who are prostitutes or guys who use them sometimes like to cover it with the facade of sponorship which is some what more acceptable in the FSU. Sponorship is basically a paid girlfriend, 'helping' her out with her finances. 'Sponoring' a girl for a week is streching it. It's usually a monthly deal.
My work here is done, carry on.Thank you cruiser for you enlightening info
My only source at the moment for kiev is l flirt.com. Ua
And surfing it I come across this bloody sponsership deal, the ones who mention sponsership have replied back to me, and it turns out short time sex ie one or two hours for the going rate 400 to 600 hrv.
So they do mean in this instance a short time deal to be sponsored by would be mongeres, or am I wrong?
Or do they have other hidden agendas between their legs?
Why is it so complicated over there, or may be they do not like to be classified as hookers?
The site is a mix of dating, sponsorship, sex for money and whatever human beings can offer to each other. Some people contacted me proposing business or looking for contacts in other countries.
The profiles with pink photos offer sex for money and most of them shows fake photos and are run but a dispatcher. Most of them are active just for a couple of days and then closed by the controllers of the database or simply replaced by new ones, fresher. If you contact them most likely you will receive a message with a rough location, a price and a contact number, this in case the dispatcher is not too busy to reply to you.
The cheapest website for daily rent of flats in Kiev is:
www.timedom.com.ua
The flats shows clearly the daily price and the contact number of the owner. You have to call the owner and negotiate with him/her directly. Most of them don't have emails and don't accept booking with more than 1-2 days of advance. So it is riskful, they might receive a good offer just few hours before you go there and give the flat to someone else. Usually they will take your booking and will ask you to call again few hours before showing up to confirm the booking (from both sides). They will probably also ask you a ukrainian number where to call you in case of troubles. Remember that this is not an agency, every flat has its own owner or person responsible for the rent, so nobody will be responsible in case of misunderstandings or last minutes issues.
Most hotels will let your guest in but you have to register them at the reception in case they visit you after 22 or 23 in the evening.
Hi Obman.
Brilliant reports really enjoyed reading them, came in very handy for prior to my landing in Kiev.
Just googled ramba. Ru and there is an english version, but this site seems to be more of a dating site, it doesn't have a section for paid sex as they call it in ukraine sponsership, so it seems to differ from flirt.comua.
One question where did you rent your apartment in Kiev?
Name of agency person. Price and do they rent by the day?
Do you mean some hotels won't let girls in?
If you pay security a bribe?
I am thinking of staying near or on idependence sq in Kiev.
I have 3 hotels on my list.
1. Hotel Ukraine.
2. Hotel Kozatsky.
3. Hotel Krechatvik. Hope right spelling here.
Does anyone here have recent experiences with above hotels /?
Do they allow girls to be brought back?
Do security take bribes and if so how much?
Many thanks
I've never been to Ukraine but was planning to visit and River Palace was one of the places often described. With the casino ban taking effect has that closed the bar at River Palace as well? Has anything taken it's place where girls are hanging out?There is a cafe where the slots where now and no one has been in there the last 2 times I went.
All the girls are in the disco.
On ground I sponosred serveral girls both here both in Russia the thing is quite simple. There are girls who give sex in exchange of a nice and luxury vacation, thre are girls wanting some pocket money too (of course you will stay for trip, food and gifts). As Crusier said correctly a sponsored girl is usually not a pro. May be she do not like you and will not go even for more money. Most of girl will ask for a "neutral" meeting before and even for photos (It happened so 90% of cases for me).
If you switch mamba, flirt or whatever (the database is always the same) to one of the language you know best you will see a travel companions indication. Often they offer sex in exchange for vacation.
Mind also that a lot of girls are not writing that they are seeking sponsorship or even sex at all... but they will go for a westener. The clear indications are two: no age or large age interval and the serach of economic wellness or maximum sex.
The baby faced 22 y.o. Veronika is one of these girls
http://flirt.com.ua/veronikavip1986/
Same for the baby beauty "Baby"
http://flirt.com.ua/b_aby69/ 19-20 y.o. but declares 18 and seems so... now in vacation in Crimea with parents, but seeking for a week or two in a resort in Turkey... A real pity she was leaving the day I arrived to Kiev otherwise she would have gone a testing!
Another real beauty... (avaliable)
http://flirt.com.ua/If_you_/
Here some openly searching for a sponsor...
http://flirt.com.ua/ket109/
http://flirt.com.ua/vernanaaa/
The best thing, in my opinion is (of course far more costly for you) to make a weekend meeting in Kiev and see how the girl is in reality and in bed (may be she is a log!) and then go to vacations, sometimes I proposed this schema to some girls, usually they acceptet willingly because they have the same doubts about you... will I like him? what will he do in bed.. etc etc...
Just two cents from a sponsorer
IT
PS the favourite destination for UA and RUS teens are Turkish and Egyptian resorts (sometimes Thailand) on ground of easy (just a tax) visa procedures
Dear IT thanks for your report and information. As I dont speak Russian no chance for me with tools like Mamba etc. I will contact there some teenies and make this proposal paid vacatiion for good sex. However, I guess Turkey and Egypt are visa free for Ukraine women? please confirm if this is correct, and what about Thailand? as far as I know Russian women need a visa in Thailand but they can get this in the Bangkok airport but not sure what about Ukraine women, and information?. Time and cost for this visas there in Kiev? Thanks in advance for any info
Diceman, keep in mind that great majority of foreigners coming to Ukraine is staying in Kiev and they don't know about towns around it.
The answer for you is Chernigov. The city is located some 130 km from Kiev, just another provincial place with some 300 000 population but can keep you busy for few days.
About apartment rentals don't know much there are 2 of them in center of town at the crossroad of two central streets. Prospekt Mira and Prospekt Pobedy. Now this operation is run by one of those "marriage agencies" and the price was 70$ a day (one bedroom apartment) but don't know about the price right now.
There are three hotels in town. Two of them are old soviet style not offering much (hotels "Gradetsky" and "Slavanskiy") and third is better."Pridesnyanskiy". As for the restaurants there are enough of them with different cousine like ukrainian, Russian, italian, geogian, etc. Names of reatsurants are "Druzhba", "Gradetskij", "Starij Chernigov", "Hutorok", "Mayak".
During night time you can visit bars and few night clubs, their quality vary, debending what youl like or not like.
For sights there are plenty of them. Chernigov is popular place among Russian tourist. Many old orthodox churches and monastiries are located in Chernigov. Also Chernigov was an important part of the first Russian state, Kyivan Rus. Any Russian will appreciate this so most probably your girlfriend.
What to see in Chernigov: city's oldest section, the Val, churches and monastiries too many of them to mention, main street itself, Boldiny Mountains with old necropolis, St. Anthony monastic cave complex with a whole underground church down there. Also taste Chernigivske Beer. It's advertised as No. 1 in Ukraine but wouldn't know about this.
Now about what most of you are interested. Mongering in Chernigov. Not much to report about this. P4p scene is non existing in the city, guess most girls intrested in this are probably already in Kiev. For freebies can be tricky, most people are very religious. In Ukraine Chernigov is known as "City of God".
But since Diceman will be occupied with his girlfriend he will not have a need for this and most probbly can't do anything anyway.
Chernigov is nice place to visit for 2-3 days to get rest from Kiev but there's no need to go to Chernigov exclusively for mongering purposes.
Kiev is so close and much better.
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Bez Bezarra
07-28-09, 03:56
Thank you cruiser for your bloody sponsership deal, in this instance is it so complicated they do not classifi as hookers?
Its not a classification, its simply amateur or beginner versus pro.
That's again, why you don't listen to anyone here, because if we all liked the same thing, life would be boring, and there's more to it than one kind of dyevushka.
Some profiles don't include 'seek a sponsor', BUT THEY DO!
Some profiles include 'seek a sponsor', BUT THEY DON'T!
So you write, and you go, and you meet, and you talk and drink tea and cappucino and wine and tequilla, and then you figure out what she wants.
And then you give it to her.
Sometimes though, when you meet, and ask her to go to a cafe for tea and to talk, she will just tell you right then, that she needs you to begin sponsoring her immediately, so you can skip the tea and talk, and get right down to eating pussy.
Some clowns here talk about sponsoring for a week or a month, that makes sense to them, but sorry, not for me. Who the hell has a month's or even a week's time or money for one sponsorette, when there are another dozen or two waiting in line on line for their share of your economic stimulus package.
I guess the only reason to stop looking would be if you found one that was absolutely perfect in every way, available morning noon and night, AND wasn't greedy. Since I've yet to find that combination, except at the tail end of almost every adventure, I simply keep looking, and licking.
But that's just Bez, thank god almost nobody agrees. Hehehe!!
Almost perfect tail end:
JoJo, stay in an apartment and not a hotel.
Dear IT thanks for your report and information. As I dont speak Russian no chance for me with tools like Mamba etc. I will contact there some teenies and make this proposal paid vacatiion for good sex. However, I guess Turkey and Egypt are visa free for Ukraine women? please confirm if this is correct, and what about Thailand? as far as I know Russian women need a visa in Thailand but they can get this in the Bangkok airport but not sure what about Ukraine women, and information?. Time and cost for this visas there in Kiev? Thanks in advance for any info
Mamba or flirt are avaliable in English too, and many girls speaks acceptable English, then thre are translation tools (not perfect but... like www.translate.ru, or the old "Digital" babelfish, now on Yahoo!).
Turkey and Egypt are not visa free, but the visa, as for EU citizens, is just a stamp on your pasport costing 10 €, you get it at the airport (much more for US passports). But the girls need to have "travel passport" not "internal one" wich is more properly an ID card...
Do not know in Thailand... but why go thre when you have already a girl with you???
IT
Diceman,
To Chernigov you can also go by marshrutka. From Kiev it starts somewhere around main train station and arrives to Chernigov also to main train station.
Don't know exactly about this but I saw those marshrutkas to Kiev at Chernigov main train station.
Post some info about Chernigov, good or bad no matter.
In the near future I will be in Gomel in Belarus which is close to Chernigov (just over the border). So I plan to make weekend trips to Chernigov from time to time.
Mamba or flirt are avaliable in English too, and many girls speaks acceptable English, then thre are translation tools (not perfect but... like www.translate.ru, or the old "Digital" babelfish, now on Yahoo!).
Turkey and Egypt are not visa free, but the visa, as for EU citizens, is just a stamp on your pasport costing 10 €, you get it at the airport (much more for US passports). But the girls need to have "travel passport" not "internal one" wich is more properly an ID card...
Do not know in Thailand... but why go thre when you have already a girl with you???
IT
Dear IT, thanks a lot for your answer. My proposal is 3 to 5 days in Kiev to check the girl in more or less all aspects with a budget of USD 60 to 100 per day, not sure the quality of the girls for this money? As I like the young women I have some concerns there in Ukraine with the local moral because I am not a young monger !!! In Thailand this is not a problem therefore my plan to bring her to Thailand if she agrees for this trip too of course based on a different budget and the visa there in Thailand I hope would not be a problem
I am thinking of staying near or on idependence sq in Kiev.
I have 3 hotels on my list.
1. Hotel Ukraine.
2. Hotel Kozatsky.
3. Hotel Krechatvik. Hope right spelling here.
Does anyone here have recent experiences with above hotels /?
Do they allow girls to be brought back?
Do security take bribes and if so how much?
Many thanksHello,
Three years ago I stayed at the Kozatsky and at the time you could enter with the girl if you bribed the security (USD20 for two hours).
Generally speaking most hotels in FSU are girl-friendly provided you come in before 22:00PM (too much people at the lobby and no night shift with the security).
But yes, the best options are apartments (I had a regular girl that didn't want under any circumstance to come to the hotel, she had to register and sustain "suspicious looks") she was the first girl who recommended me an apartment.
They are generally acceptable from USD 50 onwards and they are far more intimate for non or semi pros.
Regards
Given your premises, it sounds to me a difficult plan. I don't want to discourage you, but there will be difficulties. I thought myself about a short trip to Crimea or Odessa but eventually gave up. The main reason is that even if ukrainian girls are quite spontaneous and easy to take chanches, the whole process of arranging the details will waste any potential feeling.
In my experience ukrainian girls like strong and powerful men who don't talk too much but take action. The only fact that you will talk about daily rate for the service or what kind of hotel you will leave in and what kind of sex you will expect will make you look like a loser in their eyes. If you are talking about reasonably big numbers (something like you pay all the expenses and give to the girl 1.000$) then you will probably receive a lot of attention. Otherwise you run the risk to find a desperate girl who accept to go with you but will complain for the hotel, will try to order expensive wine ot lobster at the restaurant and so on.
In my case I was discussing with a very responsive girl on the net and when I entered in the details of what we were expecting from the vacation it turned out that of course the trip would have to be paid by me, but of course some attentions would be needed to make her happier and in good mood, somethng like a new pair of shoes or a golden ring, or otherwise if this was not my style she would had appreciate to stay in the best hotel and feel pampered for the time... and she was far from being a model type.
In conclusion, if you are willing to pamper a girl and give her a good time, I think you will not have too much trouble to arrange the holiday and enjoy it. But forget about just paying a flight ticket in economy or a bus ride to Odessa. If they find out that you are just trying to have some daily sex in exchange of a cheap holiday they will give you a bad time.
Let us know how it goes!
Dear IT, thanks a lot for your answer. My proposal is 3 to 5 days in Kiev to check the girl in more or less all aspects with a budget of USD 60 to 100 per day, not sure the quality of the girls for this money? As I like the young women I have some concerns there in Ukraine with the local moral because I am not a young monger !!! In Thailand this is not a problem therefore my plan to bring her to Thailand if she agrees for this trip too of course based on a different budget and the visa there in Thailand I hope would not be a problem
Hello,
Three years ago I stayed at the Kozatsky and at the time you could enter with the girl if you bribed the security (USD20 for two hours).
Generally speaking most hotels in FSU are girl-friendly provided you come in before 22:00PM (too much people at the lobby and no night shift with the security).
But yes, the best options are apartments (I had a regular girl that didn't want under any circumstance to come to the hotel, she had to register and sustain "suspicious looks") she was the first girl who recommended me an apartment.
They are generally acceptable from USD 50 onwards and they are far more intimate for non or semi pros.
Regards
Hotel Ukraina will never let you take a girl upstairs not even for a bribe, if you are not a customer (soviet style hotel card) you find it even difficult to get to the upstair resturant or bar!
The other two hotels are smaller ones so the security guys knows you personally... with a 100 grivna note you should be able to get in but nothing is sure. By the way always reserve a double room... In my opinion at less tha 100-120 USD you do not get any decent room so... go for private!
With these hotel prices a private apartment is far better unless you are from a country needing Visa and of course also visa registration at OVIR wich might be a nightmare if you are alone.
Girl registering is usually done for your safety not having a customer complaining that he has been stole something.... 99% of girls do not steal anything, but if you come to drug addicted....
IT
Dear IT, thanks a lot for your answer. My proposal is 3 to 5 days in Kiev to check the girl in more or less all aspects with a budget of USD 60 to 100 per day, not sure the quality of the girls for this money? As I like the young women I have some concerns there in Ukraine with the local moral because I am not a young monger !!! In Thailand this is not a problem therefore my plan to bring her to Thailand if she agrees for this trip too of course based on a different budget and the visa there in Thailand I hope would not be a problem
I simply think that with a daily budget of 60/100 USD per day you go nowhere in Kiev! Even for a free girl, you have at least to invite her to a nice dinner and give her a small present, and the 100 USD... 700 grivnas are gone, but you need to have an apartment too!!! The less budget you can have with qwickies (1 hour fucks or so) might be 150 USD/day if you leave in a very very cheap apartment (40-50 USD, but far in the outskirts), get cheap local food (4-8 USD per meal, ok with calories, but surely not for a gourmand) and 400/600 grivnas for a girl in a brothel... Go to Thailand! :D :D
IT
JesseJames
07-29-09, 10:19
I simply think that with a daily budget of 60/100 USD per day you go nowhere in Kiev! Even for a free girl, you have at least to invite her to a nice dinner and give her a small present, and the 100 USD... 700 grivnas are gone, but you need to have an apartment too!!! The less budget you can have with qwickies (1 hour fucks or so) might be 150 USD/day if you leave in a very very cheap apartment (40-50 USD, but far in the outskirts), get cheap local food (4-8 USD per meal, ok with calories, but surely not for a gourmand) and 400/600 grivnas for a girl in a brothel... Go to Thailand! :D :D
IT
Go to Thailand, yes. Also check out the RLD in Brussels, Antwerp, Den Haque, Amsterdam, where you can get beautiful, like models, girls for 40-50 Euros.
I could do a free stopover in Kiev and won't because it seems like an expensive hassle. I could have that in USA.
Sponsorship is for suckers.
AColonizer
07-29-09, 12:17
Ehi, Bez, here is another bad boy for you, ha ha ha.
Yes JJ, you hit the point. For this reason, I am looking for real Ukrainians in German RDL and FKK, but it seems there are rare real Ukrainians there, most of them are usual Romanians pretending to be Ukrainians.
And above all, the problem remains the quality of service. Yes, model-like girls but how many of them say "30 euros, deepthroat swallow blowjob" immediately with no tricks and lies?
Ukrainians have the best blowjob in the world but they are very unprofessional in Ukraine.
We should know all Ukrainians are good at deepthroat swallow blowjobs with everybody, with their dogs too, but they pretend to be the most tender girls in the world.
Moreover we should be pretty annoyed to listen to an Ukrainian replies "no anal" when we understand by her asshole that she usually has anal (is that possible some Ukrainians have no anal???)
Now I am having fun to use the same method of mamashkas in Kiev.
Before of all, I put more than one profile on mamba sites, then I call two or three girls at the same time, then they come and I choose one of them, the other ones command me "give me money for taxi!" and I reply "you are not the girl in the picture, I dont know you, you dont deserve anything, go away, pleeeease" Liars deserve no tombstones for their corpses!
Then the chosen girl says "give me money, no blowjob without condom, no anal, no this, no that, no etc.", now I reply "dont worry, bye bye" or "pussy only, half price only", so I get almost all I want or just pussy for the half price.
Thats funny to hear mamashkas blaming with the girl at the phone because the girl wants to be HONEST with a customer.
I dont really understand why mamashkas dont want to make customers loyal to their girls, starting with one hour sex and finishing with a weekly sponsorship: this is a reciprocal convenience, above all when the customer is young, nice, clean, good-mannered.
This implies high quality of service, Ukrainians are used to provide high quality of service but, unfortunately, their greatest lust (or sport) is to cheat foreigners, as somebody has already written years ago.
In the Western world, people are trying to do their best to come out from the "crisis", but not in the Eastern world.
N.B. Please JJ, help me about RDL and FKK.
Go to Thailand, yes. Also check out the RLD in Brussels, Antwerp, Den Haque, Amsterdam, where you can get beautiful, like models, girls for 40-50 Euros.
I could do a free stopover in Kiev and won't because it seems like an expensive hassle. I could have that in USA.
Sponsorship is for suckers.
Bez Bezarra
07-29-09, 12:23
Funny enough I agree
The city of london is a breez.
But kiev needs checking out?
You mean that there are so many interesting mongering opportunities in London, because of all the East Euro imported wh0res available, and the relaxed police attitude to prostitution?
Yes, yes, Ukraine is worth checking out. If anything, for the opportunity to do some modeling photography, because this ISG website REALLY needs some original contributions.
As you can see, the level of contributions is absolutely unacceptable, there are practically no members willing to make even the least effort to add to the quality of what you see here.
On the other hand, there is no limit to members' petty immature whining and complaining when they are exposed for their lack of effort.
Open wide:
Go to Thailand, yes. Also check out the RLD in Brussels, Antwerp, Den Haque, Amsterdam, where you can get beautiful, like models, girls for 40-50 Euros.
I could do a free stopover in Kiev and won't because it seems like an expensive hassle. I could have that in USA.
Sponsorship is for suckers.
So I'm a sucker! ;) But I do not care. Jeah for 40-50 € in Amsterdam, they will slip on a condom, make a 5 min BJ then open the legs and in 15 minutes you are out... 20 minutes/50 € even if is seems cheap I'm not interested in this kind of sex. better the German FKK... at least you ussually get good BBBJ and nice fuck...
I prefer spending 300 € for two normal girls... so I go for sponsoring or long time... just now I'm making deals for next trip with some teens!
The FSU teen blondinkas and brunetkas are still unbetable! :p :p :p
IT
Hello,
Three years ago I stayed at the Kozatsky and at the time you could enter with the girl if you bribed the security (USD20 for two hours).
Generally speaking most hotels in FSU are girl-friendly provided you come in before 22:00PM (too much people at the lobby and no night shift with the security).
But yes, the best options are apartments (I had a regular girl that didn't want under any circumstance to come to the hotel, she had to register and sustain "suspicious looks") she was the first girl who recommended me an apartment.
They are generally acceptable from USD 50 onwards and they are far more intimate for non or semi pros.
RegardsThank you, so everyone here agrees that apartments are the best options, now we know the hotels, but are there apartments where serviced daily.
Linen, towels etc, continous hot water, satelite tv?
Particular recommendations very welcome and much appreciated.
DoctorOral
07-29-09, 14:41
If anybody is interested in meeting wiska in kiev
She is not 22 as said, but 24
But who really cares.
http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=319292112
So I'm a sucker! ;) But I do not care. Jeah for 40-50 € in Amsterdam, they will slip on a condom, make a 5 min BJ then open the legs and in 15 minutes you are out... 20 minutes/50 € even if is seems cheap I'm not interested in this kind of sex. better the German FKK... at least you ussually get good BBBJ and nice fuck...
I prefer spending 300 € for two normal girls... so I go for sponsoring or long time... just now I'm making deals for next trip with some teens!
The FSU teen blondinkas and brunetkas are still unbetable! :p :p :p
ITJust now I came back from one week in the paradise called KIEV.))
You can see it in the attachements.
BR,
Rene
Thank you cruiser for you enlightening info
My only source at the moment for kiev is l flirt.com. Ua
And surfing it I come across this bloody sponsership deal, the ones who mention sponsership have replied back to me, and it turns out short time sex ie one or two hours for the going rate 400 to 600 hrv.
So they do mean in this instance a short time deal to be sponsored by would be mongeres, or am I wrong?
Or do they have other hidden agendas between their legs?
Why is it so complicated over there, or may be they do not like to be classified as hookers?Hello,
I did not want to stir national prides. Just sharing my experience to see if the rest can get any profit. Same that I do.
I know several FSU countries so I already have some idea of what I have come across.
As other forum memebers I think that it is necessary to separate prostitutes from sponsored girls:
- A) Prostitutes:
In escort agencies, brothels, discos or even hotels: You get understood with a mamasan either if the girl likes you or not, and then is sex (as mentioned, you can arrange extra "frivolités" with them as BB sex, anal, CIM.). My best options are not too known apartments as I found out quality is average. I mean average the girl-next-door-type- but they are cheaper than escort agencies.
-B) Sponsored:
In discos or even some brothel girls. For chats you cannot rely permanently on translators! In fact the few girls I have contacted before my trips. In FSU or western Europe- weren't but prostitutes.
After my experience they are not really prostitutes. Generally you stand no chances if the girl does not like you.
If she is fond of you, she will offer a romance like relationship.
In my case they were not expensive: In most cases a dinner, some presents. Not necessarily Manolo Blanik stilettos and so forth. Culturally, to treat girls like goddesses is traditional in some cultures as in Ukraine (see the locals in parks or discos). Even two of them. Back in'06 Kiev- even offered to return with me.
Being a more natural affair they usually fall for people not too old and capable of speaking Russian (as most FSU regular girls do not speak foreign languages Russian, I insist, is quite advisable, specially for this option) and with this I mean having some charms.
If you get the chance it is BY FAR the best option in my opnion. Once again. In my honest and uninterested opinion!
Of course you fellow mongers might have a different experience/tastes. But that is how life is.
AColonizer
07-29-09, 20:29
Ah yes, 500$ 2 hours all with condom, and even she put her photos with wonderful facials.
I contacted her some months and it was possible to meet her just for a talk. Now she wants money only for nothing, and she raised her prices from 1000 to 1500$ for a night.
The question is: how many stupid men have paied her 1500$ for a night?
If anybody is interested in meeting wiska in kiev
She is not 22 as said, but 24
But who really cares.
http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=319292112
Chriscooper
07-29-09, 21:09
Hi there,
I will be in Kiev this weekend 31july and 1aug 09 and I have been looking for reports on streetwalkers in Kiev. I only found old reports from 2006 and I would like to know if there are any updates so I don't have to waist time searching these places. If possible can anybody give me specific details?
Many thanks.
What I found so far was the following but is old information:
street walkers
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruiser D
I never bothered to confirmed it but I have been told by quite a few people that streetwalkers hang out at the top of (the hill) Shevcheko Blvd.
Now many street walkers hang out near Ukraina building. You must go down the hill. These gilrs are different than in Prague. Whereas unsafe in Prague, safe in here. You can find a student sometimes. Rates will be $60/1 to 2 hours.
Streetwalkers...
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Where River Palace is, continue over the bridge to the Gidropark (metro stop) area. Streetwalkers hang out on the McDonlalds side - both before and after.
I never bothered to confirmed it but I have been told by quite a few people that streetwalkers hang out at the top of (the hill) Shevcheko Blvd.
Bez Bezarra
07-29-09, 23:34
Bez is a bad boy, ha ha ha.
I am looking for deepthroat swallow blowjob immediately.
Ukrainians are good at deepthroat swallow blowjobs with their dogs.
Moreover with no anal I am having no tombstones for their corpses!
I dont understand why mamashkas dont want to make customers loyal with one hour sex, when the customer is me.
Colonic Geezer, you take the cake.
Ah yes, 500$ 2 hours all with condom, and even she put her photos with wonderful facials.
I contacted her some months and it was possible to meet her just for a talk. Now she wants money only for nothing, and she raised her prices from 1000 to 1500$ for a night.
The question is: how many stupid men have paied her 1500$ for a night?
I've seen the pics on flirt and I must say I'm not interested at all in a such girl, may be for 200 € a day, but not more!
Just for making a comparison I send here a link of a Kharkov girl seeking for a sponsor... fresh homegrown FSU brunetka just filled 18... bisexual with a teen girlfriend (look at the album! http://flirt.com.ua/masik50/
) Can imagine them in a perfect in 69 and me looking and trying to decide in wich hole I have to put my best friend first! Exactly what I'm out for... not porn stars...
Look at the second part of the album blondinka + brunetka playing semi lesbian white dessed or in the sand! :p :p :p mmmm could fuck them for a week!
IT
AColonizer
07-30-09, 12:44
Congratulations for your report.
Anyway my question is: where and which are the girls you got a good karolesky miniet aka deepthroat swallow blowjob? How much for that?
About serious relationships, I had some experiences and I saw foreigners trying those, and I think girls in Kiev are not looking for serious relationships but just men paying them something. Girls in Kiev are emancipated as much as in Western countries, therefore I do not see any opportunity to have a true sincere serious lasting relationship with them. The only difference between a wife and prostitute, in all over the world, is that a wife gives you one or two children.
A) Prostitutes:
In escort agencies, brothels, discos or even hotels: You get understood with a mamasan either if the girl likes you or not, and then is sex (as mentioned, you can arrange extra "frivolités" with them as BB sex, anal, CIM.). My best options are not too known apartments as I found out quality is average. I mean average the girl-next-door-type- but they are cheaper than escort agencies.
Chriscooper
07-30-09, 19:05
Hi there friends,
If possible can anybody respond to my questions?
Many thanks
Hi there,
I will be in Kiev this weekend 31july and 1aug 09 and I have been looking for reports on streetwalkers in Kiev. I only found old reports from 2006 and I would like to know if there are any updates so I don't have to waist time searching these places. If possible can anybody give me specific details?
Many thanks.
What I found so far was the following but is old information:
street walkers
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruiser D
I never bothered to confirmed it but I have been told by quite a few people that streetwalkers hang out at the top of (the hill) Shevcheko Blvd.
Now many street walkers hang out near Ukraina building. You must go down the hill. These gilrs are different than in Prague. Whereas unsafe in Prague, safe in here. You can find a student sometimes. Rates will be $60/1 to 2 hours.
Streetwalkers...
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Where River Palace is, continue over the bridge to the Gidropark (metro stop) area. Streetwalkers hang out on the McDonlalds side - both before and after.
I never bothered to confirmed it but I have been told by quite a few people that streetwalkers hang out at the top of (the hill) Shevcheko Blvd.
Yes, some reliable info on streetwalkers is missing here. Sorry. I have nothing to contribute but a request from our local experts. In my experience (see my reports) it is areal hassle ordering from the web (the phone hang-ups, the communication problems, the waiting, and finally getting a different girl at your door). That is why I like the river palace, or even approaching girls on the street. I like the give and take, the flirting the negotiating, and actually seeing what you are going to get. The problem with regular girls in the street is that, in Kiev, one never knows who are the pros, and who are just the hot girls who just happen to like wearing high heels and miniskirts). Streetwalkers would be nice, if I could find them (reliably). Please, if anyone has any info.
Thanks
Straight from the horses mouth. Please note my fluent Russian. :P
yesterday at 23:59
het spashibo ;)
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Фотомодель Профи yesterday at 23:55
500$ пару часов
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yesterday at 23:55
Privet! kak dela?
If anybody is interested in meeting wiska in kiev
She is not 22 as said, but 24
But who really cares.
http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=319292112
Congratulations for your report.
Anyway my question is: where and which are the girls you got a good karolesky miniet aka deepthroat swallow blowjob? How much for that?
About serious relationships, I had some experiences and I saw foreigners trying those, and I think girls in Kiev are not looking for serious relationships but just men paying them something. Girls in Kiev are emancipated as much as in Western countries, therefore I do not see any opportunity to have a true sincere serious lasting relationship with them. The only difference between a wife and prostitute, in all over the world, is that a wife gives you one or two children.Hello,
CIM was offered in brothels speaking directly to the girl once alone. Ask in Russian <<I want to finish in mouth. How much Easy to get from a translator if you don't speak Russian. Not all offered the possibility but one in two/three. As told, I prefer not too known brothels. As people over there have a limited if any knowledge of english, enough Russian to ask for things or to sustain a simple phone call is a serious advantage (it really saved my life in Russia).
They were not far from khreshatik. I found them asking to cab drivers or to a casino waiter. Regarding cab drivers is useful to tell him to arrange a full-pack. That is calling the brothel, fixing a price and the taxi fare. So you know in advance which is the total cost. If not he will drive you for the whole night through Kiev.
Considering serious or semi serious relationships: After my experience not a little amount of educated girls (university graduates, secretaries et. Al) are quite open to leave for the western world (machismo regarding female work, idealizing the west, divorce.). As I work in a managerial position I did not have much trouble in playing my part in the wooing (I repeat: They are educated girls who have a notion of the real world, they are not fooled easily).
As in any other situation back home, this is taking chances. I don't say that any girl I accosted fell in my arms valentino style. Of course clean looks and an attiring country play their part. And also a certain age range. I really don't think a 46 y. O hardware-shop clerk from Hoboken. Or Tessaloniki for american readers- stands much chances of getting a 22 yo. Wannabe model.
As where are the brothels-girls now I don't know. That was what I was asking for in my first mail!
Regards
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Chriscooper
07-31-09, 08:42
Hi stevie69,
Thanks for helping. It's good to reopen this subject since there is too little on this board on streetwalkers in Kiev. It wuld be nice to have some expertise advice from local people. I have experiance in Sevastopol and the best chance is to ask taxi drivers. But always ask for the taxi ride price because they have to drive around and better to set the price before hand then ending up ripped of. My Russian is limited but I can make myself clear and I already know this is enough.
I hope I will get some details and not waist time searching for streetwalkers.
Super
AColonizer
07-31-09, 15:46
I must remind all of you, the perfect blowjob is a deepthroat swallow blowjob aka BBBJTCWS aka karolesky miniet sproglotom.
And BBBJTCWS must be provided on customers demand as a standard blowjob with no refuses and mutterings. Otherwise it is better she changes "work".
Everytime a P4P girl doesnt make a BBBJTCWS, she is cheating customers. And ALL men prefer BBBJTCWS instead of a "semihandmasturbatewithcondomhalf penisinmouth".
It is probably most men dont know what is a BBBJTCWS, therefore it is better for them to get detailed information about BBBJTCWS before any P4P match. If you dont know what is exactly a BBBJTCWS, please dont P4P.
The only difference between a wife and prostitute, in all over the world, is that a wife gives you one or two children.
There are simply no words...
And BBBJTCWS must be provided on customers demand as a standard blowjob with no refuses and mutterings. Otherwise it is better she changes "work".
Everytime a P4P girl doesnt make a BBBJTCWS, she is cheating customers. And ALL men prefer BBBJTCWS instead of a "semihandmasturbatewithcondomhalf penisinmouth".
It is probably most men dont know what is a BBBJTCWS, therefore it is better for them to get detailed information about BBBJTCWS before any P4P match. If you dont know what is exactly a BBBJTCWS, please dont P4P.
Just like an Old Testament prophet, the Jeremiads keep coming...
As the gambler says, "read 'em and weep"...
Lego Maniac
08-01-09, 04:11
Coming to Kiev in 2 weeks and will be either staying at the Premier Palace or the Hyatt. Are both guest friendly? Any suggestion which may be better?
Thanks
Hi stevie69,
Thanks for helping. It's good to reopen this subject since there is too little on this board on streetwalkers in Kiev. It wuld be nice to have some expertise advice from local people. I have experiance in Sevastopol and the best chance is to ask taxi drivers. But always ask for the taxi ride price because they have to drive around and better to set the price before hand then ending up ripped of. My Russian is limited but I can make myself clear and I already know this is enough.
I hope I will get some details and not waist time searching for streetwalkers.
Super
2 years ago I saw some in the Kiev’s main street and Mc Donald’s too, was Summer and for sure nice to see the teenies there; however, at that time the prices where in my opinion to high but the girls excellent, therefore not easy to take a decision. If this street is still “where the action is” for SW not sure, any update information? and the current prices with the financial crisis?I have heard near to a hill in Kiev but don’t know where this is & to go there? and how is the action in September when the vacations for the students are over
Coming to Kiev in 2 weeks and will be either staying at the Premier Palace or the Hyatt. Are both guest friendly? Any suggestion which may be better?
Thanks
They are both guest friendly, as far as I know, but it's better you bring a girl not dressed as a professional wh0re (they are five stras in any case) a 10/20 USD note will hel a lot!
IT
Chris, those girls standing by the side of the road in Sevastopol aren't looking for a ride to go some place in particular. Also those girls sitting on the benches in the little park across from the hotel aren't getting together for a late night poetry reading.
Lego, the Hyatt is a better hotel. PP has a better location IMHO. Someone mentioned not to bring a girl there dressed like a full blown(ing) *****. Really, in Kyiv how do you tell? No one at either hotel is going to bother you if you have a pro in tow. Also the cafe at the PP has the best pastries I have had in Ukraine - just a little bonus.
AC, just go away.
Hello you sexaholics! I am finally going to be in town from around the 10th. I've been doing some reading and talking to some awesome members/friends, and I'm curious about the following:
1. Apartments: For a 1st timer would the RP area be the best to be in? Also, is it worth getting a russian translator to negotiate on prices? I keep hearing the recession means prices can be dropped.
2. Top places to go- Barsky sounds interesting. Shooters and RP sound very touristy. I really want top notch talent at local prices. Heard massage places are good. I am prob going to avoid top models and Gia and all that they seem overpriced and not a fan of fake pics. Curious if any other recommendations to make the most of a week? Is Odessa/Crimea worth venturing to, or this Sevastropol area or the SWs around Shevcheko?
3. Safety / racism - as an ethnic minority I hear there are lots of issues. Have any ethnic minorities (especially asians) had any trouble out there? As I'll be alone for a portion of the time just want to take all precautions necessary.
Finally drop me a line if any members are around and fancy a drink and meeting some Devushkas...
Hello you sexaholics! I am finally going to be in town from around the 10th. I've been doing some reading and talking to some awesome members/friends, and I'm curious about the following:
1. Apartments: For a 1st timer would the RP area be the best to be in? Also, is it worth getting a russian translator to negotiate on prices? I keep hearing the recession means prices can be dropped.
2. Top places to go- Barsky sounds interesting. Shooters and RP sound very touristy. I really want top notch talent at local prices. Heard massage places are good. I am prob going to avoid top models and Gia and all that they seem overpriced and not a fan of fake pics. Curious if any other recommendations to make the most of a week? Is Odessa/Crimea worth venturing to, or this Sevastropol area or the SWs around Shevcheko?
3. Safety / racism - as an ethnic minority I hear there are lots of issues. Have any ethnic minorities (especially asians) had any trouble out there? As I'll be alone for a portion of the time just want to take all precautions necessary.
Finally drop me a line if any members are around and fancy a drink and meeting some Devushkas...Borat,
An awful lot of questions, maybe idea if you read the forum thats what its there for.
Coming to Kiev in 2 weeks and will be either staying at the Premier Palace or the Hyatt. Are both guest friendly? Any suggestion which may be better?
ThanksLego Maniac,
Both them hotels are girlfriendly, are you kiidding? You think anyone gonna question you about who you bring back there for the amount of money you will be paying to stay there, any security ask you about your guest tell them to fuck off, if they see your girls maybe an escort they can try and think your an easy mark for $20. Be sure to visit the bar/restaurant on top floor and take in that great view.
Ok heres the directions for the massage place I found close to Kreshatic that quite a few of you have sent me pms about.
As you come up the escalator and exit metro at Kreshatic, look directly across the main road, the big road, off to the left you will see a street a main street going up a hill, I think its called, pushkinskaya. You walk up the hill maybe 50-75 yards, keep on the right its number 9b, its an archway between to restaurants, go through the archway, into a sort of courtyard, look ahead to the building in front of you, the door at ground level will be open no code required its up one flight of stairs, so its the first floor. Apartment 62 phone number 668243896. Might be idea to call for appointment as it was busy, its 24 hours, student type girls there young tight sexy, 3-4 to choose from, enjoy.
Borat, there are no apartments or residental buildings near RP. However there is a metro stop 100m across the road.
Shooter's isn't very touristy because that is where a lot of long term expats go after they stop going to the tourist spots like Arena.
Safety, I'd be a little concerned about walking around late night/early in the morning due to the large numbers of drunks wander around.
Don't go to the hinterlands like Sevastopol unless you have a guide or a lot of Ukrainian experience.
You won't get top notch talent at local prices unless you speak Russian or are me. :) Besides, top notch talent at local prices mean you are over paying anyway. Take a scouting trip to Decedence and you will see what I mean.
Dice, Borat's questions were on about the same level as the question you ask a few days ago about where to stash one of your GF's. And to be nice, I'll answer it for you. You really don't need to leave town. Keep one girl on the left bank and one on the right.
Chriscooper
08-01-09, 18:08
Hello there friends,
First of all many thanks for the feedback although al little thin. I will try to find out myself and report back to the board. Most likely the taxi drivers will know what the situations is in Kiev concerning SW. I will check the McDonalds (Gidropark (metro stop) area) and on the main street including the hill (Shevcheko Blvd). Since I have not been in Kiev for a long time I will try to find it and I hope I will succeed. As far as Sevastopol the best place and time to begin is around 22:00 and go to the Ushakova Square. On one side you will find a strip club with many beautiful women. Although the prices for a lap dance are high it better to just do some drinking and spend you 1 to 5 grivna's that you have in your wallet and put them in their underwear. After about 1 hour or 2 you need to go to the middle of the square. I think I can say that I am not ugly and still young looking which helped. Within 1 minute of sitting down at the bar in the middle of the square 2 women already came up to me. They asked first $250,. But I told them this was way too expensive and I am not stupid. I got the price down to $100,. For each woman the whole night. This year the grivna is almost double the Euro so I guess that this year I can even get better prices. Although they were not top models (I would say 5.5 to 6) it's still a good deal and no drugs what so ever. After this they took me to a hotel in a taxi.(about 30 grivna) we stopped by a shop for some Vodka and food.
The trick is not to be greedy and do not make hasty decisions. Take a drink first with them and negotiate. Try to find out if they are really interested in you and not just saying because otherwise the sex might be disappointing. Also make clear what for sex you want, Take it easy and let them get hungry instead of you. When you buy an expensive TV or so you also want to know what the features are and what you get for the price. Once you are convinced then buy it. The same works with the SW.
One more tip. Never leave your wallet open or in reach. Also close the door and keep the key but this has been said already many times in this board. I always do and never had any problems.
I hope this will help to guide you around Sevastopol.
If anybody else has information on Kiev SW let me know since my plans have changed and I will leave on Tuesday I. S. O. Tomorrow from Sevastopol to Kiev. (price for a ticket is around $100,. Round trip)
From Dortmund to Kiev with Wizz air a ticket will cost only €75,. Round trip if you book it far in advance.
Chris
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Borat, I second Cruiser's comments and will add a few of my own.
If you don't speak Russian, your chances of top-notch talent will be extremely limited and limiting (except if you are CD!). Be ready for grand disappointment. In fact, don't write off GIA or Top-Models since you may well have to use them as a back-up plan. Of course, there is also RP.
As for safety and racism, the main problem you may have is actually from the police. They do from time to time hassle anyone they see who is non-white. This is mostly a shake-down to get you to pay for not taking you to the local precinct. Also don't carry huge amount of cash late at night. These same cops (or others) will definitely make it worth their while to make sure you leave much lighter.
Odessa and Crimea are not worth the bother unless you are going with someone, preferably female.
Massage places suck and not in the good way. It is very hit or miss and mostly miss for FS or even HJ.
Odd you would want top flight talent and yet ask about SWs. That's about as low on the sex chain as you can go.
The only thing lower and and unfortunately posting from the deepest circle of hell is Acolonizer.
If you want SWs, and I would not recommend it, it is best if you speak Russian and also bring along some retro-viral drugs.
I must remind all of you, the perfect blowhard is ME!
I suck bigtime!!
I am the worst of the worst.
Please don't play with me.
Better yet, do not listen to my mindless drivel.
Well said. We won't listen to you.
AColonizer
08-01-09, 21:00
Originally Posted by Uke Boy
I must remind all of you, the perfect blowhard is ME!
I suck bigtime!!
I am the worst of the worst.
Please don't play with me.
Better yet, do not listen to my mindless drivel.Well said. We won't listen to you.
Borat, there are no apartments or residental buildings near RP. However there is a metro stop 100m across the road.
Shooter's isn't very touristy because that is where a lot of long term expats go after they stop going to the tourist spots like Arena.
Safety, I'd be a little concerned about walking around late night/early in the morning due to the large numbers of drunks wander around.
Don't go to the hinterlands like Sevastopol unless you have a guide or a lot of Ukrainian experience.
You won't get top notch talent at local prices unless you speak Russian or are me. :) Besides, top notch talent at local prices mean you are over paying anyway. Take a scouting trip to Decedence and you will see what I mean.
Dice, Borat's questions were on about the same level as the question you ask a few days ago about where to stash one of your GF's. And to be nice, I'll answer it for you. You really don't need to leave town. Keep one girl on the left bank and one on the right.
I have been advised by locals not to use the tunnel there in the Metro station in the night, theft criminals etc, Who can give more information?
You can walk, run, dodge across the street. There is a traffic light there. :)
Or you can take a taxi - it's 20-30uah from the center.
I have been advised by locals not to use the tunnel there in the Metro station in the night, theft criminals etc, Who can give more information?I used the tunnel many times between 11 pm And midnight. No problems. But if you're afraid, you can just cross the street. Wait for the traffic to stop in one direction, then wait in the middle and after a few minutes you will be able to get to RP.
I never took a taxi to RP. Always a subway. On your way back also do not take taxi waiting near the door. They will charge too much. Twice I left in the girl's car, and many times I just called a taxi service. Any girl would know several numbers for different taxi companies.
Hello fellow mongers,
Recently stayed some days in Kiev for business and was trying to combine this with our hobby. Inspired by all good reports here I prepared my stay by a research in LL (freebies) and mamba (looking for sponsor). Do not want to bore you so a quick summary. Even I arrangend always 2 meetings for the same time it happend to have no shows. Especially mamba talents like to cheat. Svetlana http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=336032988 and Eva http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=205937605 did not show up. Was more lucky with Angelina http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=327148624, who came to the hotel for € 100 for 2 hours. Photos are real, she tries hard to satisfy but she can also be seen in River Palace. River Palace by the way seems to have big sale, headed there friday around 2 am going rate was € 100 to € 150 for "all night". Had a meeting with a freebee from LL, nice lady though no sex until now. Will keep working on her. Avoid Prezident Hotel, security charges you 200 griwna for your guest. Happy hunting and feel free to ask in case you have any particular question.
Ok heres the directions for the massage place I found close to Kreshatic that quite a few of you have sent me pms about.
As you come up the escalator and exit metro at Kreshatic, look directly across the main road, the big road, off to the left you will see a street a main street going up a hill, I think its called, pushkinskaya. You walk up the hill maybe 50-75 yards, keep on the right its number 9b, its an archway between to restaurants, go through the archway, into a sort of courtyard, look ahead to the building in front of you, the door at ground level will be open no code required its up one flight of stairs, so its the first floor. Apartment 62 phone number 668243896. Might be idea to call for appointment as it was busy, its 24 hours, student type girls there young tight sexy, 3-4 to choose from, enjoy.This will be very handy for me.
Do you mind advising on the price structure in this place?
Any FS on offer or isit only BJ hr?
Cheers from London still puzzled by Kiev.
CruiserD / UKEboy thanks for the awesome advice from both of you. Let me know if either of you are in town between the 10th and 20th, I'll buy you a beer.
The impression I get from reading all the way back from April 09 is the average spend / girl is around $200 for 2-3 hours. maybe I need to stop comparing but I can't help but figure there are 8-10s in FKKs for 50 euros, that I need to make sense of it ya know esp since I'm travelling purely for pleasure and want something different from Berlin ;)
Anyway CruiserD - Decedence - u mean Decadence House? I also noticed you guys recommending Barksy. I will try Shooters on a Wed/Sun. I might end up frequenting RP. My aim is to spend no more than $150 per girl for at least 2-3 hours if not overnight.
I am really after the young high quality model looks girls, and don't mind if it's just quickies if I can get that for around the $100 mark or less. Those places surely must exist. There's plenty of hot girls in Ukraine and I would think most of the younger ones speak English too. Maybe I have the wrong idea of what to expect.
UKEBoy - I'll avoid Odessa/Crimea on this round like you said. Is there anything you can do to avoid police hassle? Is it smarter to just pay them a few dollars to f them off, or not at all? I will stick to going out in the day except for the RP trips, which seem to be best in the late evenings. And I'll just haul a cab.
Re: Gia, their prices are a bit higher than I want to spend. I discovered you can screen top-models by real pics. I also found this site also- intimgirls.kiev.ua - girls look pretty but hard to say if they are genuine. Tried them?
I'm also exploring flirt.com.ua but it seems very hit and miss. I already have a bunch of replies, but mostly from girls NOT looking for sponsors. I think I will have no problem finding girls to show me around. But I also want to guarantee at least a few hotties in the sack while I'm there.
Re: SW I'll avoid them. Just curious if they are hot or not. Just don't want to end up going all the way to Ukraine with girls that end up like average looking Brits. I have no interest in average looking women really. Interesting what you said about massage places too, as I thought most places offer extras at good prices, but guess I was wrong on that too.
I am looking at the Krechiatik / Kostelnaya area to rent an apartment and checking out a few sites. Will report back on each step as I move closer to getting the best solution :)
CruiserD / UKEboy thanks for the awesome advice from both of you. Let me know if either of you are in town between the 10th and 20th, I'll buy you a beer.
The impression I get from reading all the way back from April 09 is the average spend / girl is around $200 for 2-3 hours. maybe I need to stop comparing but I can't help but figure there are 8-10s in FKKs for 50 euros, that I need to make sense of it ya know esp since I'm travelling purely for pleasure and want something different from Berlin ;)
Anyway CruiserD - Decedence - u mean Decadence House? I also noticed you guys recommending Barksy. I will try Shooters on a Wed/Sun. I might end up frequenting RP. My aim is to spend no more than $150 per girl for at least 2-3 hours if not overnight.
I am really after the young high quality model looks girls, and don't mind if it's just quickies if I can get that for around the $100 mark or less. Those places surely must exist. There's plenty of hot girls in Ukraine and I would think most of the younger ones speak English too. Maybe I have the wrong idea of what to expect.
UKEBoy - I'll avoid Odessa/Crimea on this round like you said. Is there anything you can do to avoid police hassle? Is it smarter to just pay them a few dollars to f them off, or not at all? I will stick to going out in the day except for the RP trips, which seem to be best in the late evenings. And I'll just haul a cab.
Re: Gia, their prices are a bit higher than I want to spend. I discovered you can screen top-models by real pics. I also found this site also- intimgirls.kiev.ua - girls look pretty but hard to say if they are genuine. Tried them?
I'm also exploring flirt.com.ua but it seems very hit and miss. I already have a bunch of replies, but mostly from girls NOT looking for sponsors. I think I will have no problem finding girls to show me around. But I also want to guarantee at least a few hotties in the sack while I'm there.
Re: SW I'll avoid them. Just curious if they are hot or not. Just don't want to end up going all the way to Ukraine with girls that end up like average looking Brits. I have no interest in average looking women really. Interesting what you said about massage places too, as I thought most places offer extras at good prices, but guess I was wrong on that too.
I am looking at the Krechiatik / Kostelnaya area to rent an apartment and checking out a few sites. Will report back on each step as I move closer to getting the best solution :)
Borat
Unless you are incredibly handsome and hung like a stallion you have almost zero chance of getting high quality young model looks girls for $150.00 for 2-3 hours. Those ones are already being taken good care of by very rich Russian or Ukrainian guys.
You should have come here 10 years ago, back then it was possible but Ukrainian girls learnt very fast the value of what they were sitting on.
Borat,
Ukraine is a strange place where the normal rules of economics such as supply and demand simply do not exist. Folks here, and that includes the working girls of all types and persuasions, from amateur to pro, have their own price and work structures. The best that I can figure it is "I will charge what I want to charge SINCE I AM MORE THAN WORTH IT AND YOU ARE TOTALLY UNWORTHY OF THIS MIND AND BODY and if you don't pay, go away. There will always be another asshole who will come along sooner rather than later and he will pay what I want to charge."
That is why you will get a better deal at an FKK and not at RP or any other place here. If spending as little as possible is your goal, stay in Berlin. Lots of talent there and prices are right.
If you want to sample candy land here, just be prepared to pay if you want stunners. And pay, and pay. $150 is realistic even with pros for two hours but after that more money for more time. if you want to pay less, you will need to negotiate an all night rate ($300 is reasonable and you can find all-day services at this price but you need time and energy for this) and if it doesn't quite work out after 3 hours, kick her out and you still win.
Bargains will be had but you have to work at it and really prepare the ground work and even then it will mostly fall apart.
As for local ladies and English, we have had this discussion numerous times. Suffice it to say, the ones who WILL speak English and somewhat reasonably well will also charge the most. It is a "chargeable extra" as a part of their services.
You can just walk past everyone to the curb, either flag down a taxi or take one at the curb. I never have a problem going back for 30uah - with the exchange rate making it $4 I really have no problem with that.
I've done you one better. A girl my friend was taking home dropped me off in her car at my place in Maidan, then they continue back to his place. Some of the girls have done very well at RP buying a car and an apartment. Others like MT and Wiska, not so much.
I never took a taxi to RP. Always a subway. On your way back also do not take taxi waiting near the door. They will charge too much. Twice I left in the girl's car, and many times I just called a taxi service. Any girl would know several numbers for different taxi companies.
Borat, I try to keep the girls between $100-150 for RP and semi pro club girls and $80 for the apartment girls. Last time I was in Kyiv I didn't spend more then $100 for a girl, it was a combination of a lot of experience, luck and the economy. I only made it to RP once, I wanted to try the 'crisis' model out there. But I was only there for 20 minutes when a freebie called me up offering herself and her friend (we had talked about it earlier over drinks). Even tho she was average for a Ukrainian girl and her friend turned out to be too, it was just too good to pass up. But there was quite an impressive array of talent that night at RP. I think it was a thursday night. If you go to Shooters be sure to say hello to ISG's own Irish Lad. :)
T, you don't have to go back 10 years for $150/night pricing for 8+ girls. It was like that right up until spring 2005. 10 years ago it was $50-100 or the price of an upscale meal in the West at the time. Yummy.
i have been advised by locals not to use the tunnel there in the metro station in the night, theft criminals etc, who can give more information?
the metro is safe anywhere at anytime in the stations and after you got in the ticket/platic coin check. single ride 1.70 grivnas, let's say roughly 20 € cents.
in central kiev, k. area, bessabki etc the passage also ouside the tickeded area are usally very safe.
at dnipro station (the rp one) there is a walking bridge, the problem is that usually (may be with tipping of taxi men) the passage is closed at the rp side. you should walk through the naberezhne shosse, possible but takes a lot of care. mind that this is a different city. a speed of 100 km/h in the evening or night is absloutely normal. because there should be no pedestrians there! take care.
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CallSign Papa
08-03-09, 14:14
What a wonderful, unique, exciting and infuriating city Kiev is.
I'm no stranger to the place, but I did a few things this time round that I haven't done before. First off, I wasn't there for anything work related, it was all pleasure, and I was there on my own staying in an apartment.
So it's my first day in Kiev, the sun is shining, the girls are wearing very little and I couldn't be happier with myself. Then some poor guy drops a wad of cash whilst walking in front of me. Does anyone not know where this is going?
The funny thing is, I know about this scam, I've quietly scoffed at others who've been taken. Anyway, before I can stop myself, I've picked up the money and tapped the guy on the shoulder. He asks where the other one is, the 'cop' shows up. I suddenly twig, and quite literally slap my own forehead, says Poka and walk off at a brisk pace expecting a hand on the shoulder any moment. From the safety of the next bar I stopped in, I had a good chuckle at my own expense. Good luck to them but I'm glad I got away with it.
Now for the girls. I've travelled enough to know that if you want good conversation, pick up an aussie girl, if you want a girl to nag you to death, go English and if you want a woman to shag you into the ground, ukrainians can't be beat. Feel free to argue.
First up. Lena (who I met at Rio). I can speak a little Russian and after a fairly long chat and a dance or two I was taken aback when she took my phone and left her number. Not sure if it's the done thing, but she arrived at midday the next day and she looked fabulous. Couldn't be older that 21, pretty, not slim but not chubby and even a little shy. $100 and she stayed a far longer than the hour. 8/10 and I left her a good tip. She asked if I wanted to see her again but she was only available after work, and I wasn't that keen on having her arrive at 3am having been dribbled over by 10 guys, but that's me.
That evening I hooked up with a girl I got chatting to via Mamba. Ru (Viktoriya). Her photos were phenomenal but she was a little more plain in the flesh. Still we had a nice dinner and a stroll through Podol. We ended up back at mine, and after a little too much johnny walker she showed me what she could do. I cooked her breakfast, promised to call and she left. Unfortunately I was like a dog with two bones and didn't want to repeat with the same girl if I could avoid it.
My last day I arranged for another girl from Mamba to drop by on a P2P basis (Irina). Photos looked delicious, but she turned up looking like she'd eaten the girl in the pictures! I should have sent her away, but I felt bad and wanted to give her a chance to win me over (or for the the whisky to kick in! ), it worked. Although she smoked like a chimney and drank like a fish she was actually great company and towards the end of the hour she stared making moves towards the bedroom. My god that girl could suck for Ukraine. She ended up staying the night and instead of the $100, I have her $200 because, damn, she earned it. I'm not proud of it but I have a new found respect for chubby girls.
So to recap:
Girl 1 - Looks 8, body 7, fun 8, cost $130
Girl 2 - Looks 6, body 6, fun 7, cost Dinner (probably close to $100)
Girl 3 - Looks 5, body 3, fun 8, $200
PS: any of you guys pass through Dubai, drop me a line and i'll give you the low-down on venues and prices.
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Dice, Borat's questions were on about the same level as the question you ask a few days ago about where to stash one of your GF's. And to be nice, I'll answer it for you. You really don't need to leave town. Keep one girl on the left bank and one on the right.[/QUOTE]Cruiser,
My question I asked was not regarding kiev but where to go other than kiev, no need to get shirty, I see you normally like a bit frisk, so I'll just say mind your own business, borats cool, I know him well and it was a wind-up. As regards keeping one on the left bank and one on the right, in a city the size of kiev thats not good advice.
Yeah Dice, I barely know anything about Kyiv. I'd ignore my advice too.
Cruiser, its not a case of what you know or don't know, I'm not doubting your knowledge of kiev, I'm just saying your advice is iffy, anyhow as I see it you like the last word so, over to you.
TheGuyFromNY
08-11-09, 05:57
My regular girl wants to do a 3some with another guy or possibly a 4some with 2 couples. Anybody interested,PM me.
Wonder if anyone ever seen any mountain bike hire in Kiev?
If so can anyone pm me details/phone number.
Thanks
My regular girl wants to do a 3some with another guy or possibly a 4some with 2 couples. Anybody interested,PM me.
If you mean in the NY area, I'm game. :)
jagshemaassh! borat iz in ukraine my friends!
here is just a quick mini cultural learnings of ukraine for make benefit glorious nation of isg (or just an excuse to write up my adventures thus far).
i've been wanting to come out to kiev for years, but never had the guts to after being told by a few informants that it was cowboy country, racist, corrupted no laws, etc. so i held it off.
then one glorious day i decided it was enough and i needed to make it an adventure.
pre-homework (after my sister give me pleasure
1. i went and read through this forum all the way through the start of 2009 (i think it's about 30 pages or something - will take a couple of hours, unless you are some speed reading guru) and took a few notes.
2. i converted it into my own mini guide and stuck it on my iphone. but truth is, no matter how much you read, it might help you avoid some tourist traps but you really just have to go and see it for yourself.
3. i arranged an apartment right off kreschiatik through a friend. imo is probably the best location to be in view that i am in prime location for eye candy. i like.
4. some of the very awesome and helpful members here gave me some great tips (word out to diceman, cruiserd, ukeboy, tremayne, doctorskank, ittravel, irish lad, bez bezzara, and piper). read their posts (i would also highly recommend checking out posts from guys like hecker and 109 who have a great understanding of the local freebie scene, something i've come to get a very basic grip of over the last 4 days, and re-reading their posts make complete sense)
i will break down report into days as it will be easier to follow.
day 1:
got on my flight. funny how not many hot girls on the flights, as i guess most of them leave instead of going back! arrived at airport, and it was different. as soon as i walked out of airport i was salivating like a puppy in a bone shop. the women here are truly gorgeous, and know how to dress. they look like they are hot 24/7 ready to walk into any club any time of the day. i think i will need acupuncture when i get home because my neck is hurting from turning around checking out their legs.
i got a private driver for $30 which i know is a bit more than average, now i know, but it was arranged through apartment, plus he helped me with currency exchange, mobile sim card, etc. i must say i was a bit concerned about safety, but if i go back again i'd just haggle the cab prices down.
tip: get hold of a local simple life sim card - it's prob the best, you can pick one up at the airport for like 30 + 50 credit which doubles bonus up to 100 grivna, which is more than enough to last the average punter for the entire trip.
i didn't really explore the city that evening, as my friend came over so we just hung out and talked, but i was already excited by the sights along kreschiatik. yum. we went out and got some food, and sat outdoors and watched the sights of all the gorgeous girls walk past. we witnessed some stuff going on, it seemed like some of the cafes have semi-pros or pros sitting around. in fact i read a tip on here about sitting at an outdoor cafe with a foreign paper, and i witnessed something like that. the guy ended up leaving with these 2 girls, shortly after some other old turkish guy took the hottest girl from that group. i suppose everyone has a price. i would like some enlightment on this. the place i am referring to is outside the life cafe on kreschiatik. i was getting strong eye contact from a couple of girls but hey it was my first night and while i probably should have worked it, we had to wake up very early for chernobyl the very next day.
i did speak to one girl walking down kreschiatik, she was very friendly but didn't speak a word of english, a main thing one would come to accept here. thankfully i hired a private russian tutor for a few days prior to my trip, so grasped some of the basics.
day 2:
i've been running on very little sleep but we ended up checking out what's on kreschiatik after chernobyl. in fact i hope i haven't transfered any radiation to all the massage girls lol as i went straight there after chernobyl... sorry, but nature calls esp as i didn't know how much longer i had to live. we got pretty close to the reactor :)
i also explored a couple of the massage places, which were difficult to find, but managed in the end. one thing i had difficulty was gathering all the massage places, so here they ae for convenience:
salon lollipop www.kievlollipop.com , tel. +38 044 229 90 54
salon [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) www.salonlolita.com, tel. +38 097 435 59 29
salon glamour (http://www.eroticmassage.com.ua/ ), tel. (+38 044) 2275615
salon maidan, (www.diamondmasseuse.com )tel (+38 044) 5878490
i had the pleasure of a 19 year old blonde student devushka i believe it was from the first place, her name was ola, at 300 grivna for a body massage. she had a fantastic body so it was some sight to watch her popping that ass pretending to be riding my cock to completion. sexy time.
there is also one that we found behind tgi friday's, can't remember the name but number is +380632370771. there's a girl there blondie can't remember her name, got a tatoo on the arm. she gives pretty good hand relief, and my friend managed to fuck her for 400 grivna. i know my friend is telling the truth, but please don't be stupid and say 'i heard you fuck' lol, she will vehemently deny it. instead just give it a try, if it works out it works out, if not you still get your money's worth. they are a massage place and will get in trouble for doin it, but i guess if chemistry is there they will, as a couple of these girls also let me finger them in the ass which i'm told is not standard procedure :)
we headed to buddha bar that night. no probs getting in, but it's a place for people with $ to blow $ and pretend to be cool. in fact alot of the places here crack me up - decadence, barsky, dante - 300 for entry, 500 grivna for a fucking chair? you are kidding me. they make it a big deal because they say how the local rich people go, but on a global scale they would be c list celebs. i have rolled to some of the best clubs in the world, hollywood, london, etc so to me the attitude is a bit of a joke. but it's funny. the locals really trying hard anyway, and i guess if i live here i would want to feel that i am going to important places, plus you can't deny the eye candy, so can't complain.
so the girls in buddha bar are pretty fine. people say it could become the next decadence, but we'll see. i chatted up this very naughty looking babe at buddha bar dressed in a miniskirt and black stockings, and my mate spoke to her friend who was a complete stunner. turned out she is not a pro but belongs to a very elite family here in kiev. my girl kept asking for my number, but my friend had her friend's so i left it at that. she would eventually manage to get hold of my number through her friend who got it off my friend.
by the way, this is how it works here. the social network here is very primitive, all about who you are, how much you're worth, what you can afford, what you do. so this girl has done all her research (or at least what she thinks she knows) beforehand, then decides she'd go in for the 'kill'. but honestly she's a dirty little **** but not hot enough for me to spend any money on her. in fact i'm a bit pissed off that she pretty much forced a meet up with me, brought a friend to translate, then ordered cocktails at the end shoved me the fucking bill. granted it only costed me like $10 usd for drinks for all of us, but it was just the way it was done. i got rid of her after that even though she won't stop insisting on just 'one more drink' together. honestly though my time here is short, and my attention is limited and i want to focus on the highest quality babes possible.
after buddha we hit up shooters as it was a wednesday and i heard it's a good day. my mates loved it, what an awesome place, people were super friendly, lots of ex-pats, and just a great intro first club to go to. spoke to loads of girls there, had phone numbers put into my pocket etc. but i must say there were 2-3 that were just not interested whatsoever right off the bat. but in view that i spoke to probably 20+ girls there, it was a minor number. language was the major barrier. there are some pros in this place btw, one i saw at arena later, who wasn't even that hot (like a 6.5-7 in a ukraine scale lol) and wanted $200. i told her to disappear lol.
afterwards we ended up at a strip club called millenium just at the end of kreschiatik. looking inside there seemed to be a few 7-8s. a couple of our friends stayed but we thought it was a bit overpriced (something like 400 for a private dance) so we left, and decided to call it a night, but not before i went back to the massage place at 4am. unfortunately i didn't call and when i went in they were all in their pajamas. that didn't turn me on so i left.
so tip: always call beforehand if you want to go to a massage place late at night!!!
conclusion: it's surprisingly easy to have a fun night out in kiev. in fact i was having so much fun, that i was focusing less on the goal of sex. despite potentially the occasional setback from stereotyped racism towards minorities, freebies definitely can be had, and we're in for a good time...
Day 3:
I'm noticing that the nights here go on forever. We just relaxed in the day. I went back to the massage place in the day and got another girl who I saw the night before, now she's all dolled up looking better. Her name is Olga, tall like 6ft, blonde, slim, leggy, young, but she did have a slight bit of attitude in that she wanted things done her way. That was the only turn off. Good time? Yes. Repeat? No. This is something you notice at the massage places in general. But all in all a good kiss massage at 400 grivna which involves them kissing all over your body and helping you release a bit of juice. I like.
After dinner, the girl from the night before @ Buddha Bar met up with us to take us around town, we checked out Arena City, Barsky was still quiet so we headed over to Arena. I liked it actually but music was loud. I saw some really stunning girls but saw a couple of the same pros from Shooters there (the same ***** who wanted $200). I got the vibe there is a bit of everything there, but some girls (the better ones) seemed to be with guys, and I got the feeling this place would be overpriced even though my mates didn't like it and left. Actually the club manager attitude was totally shit when it came to talking about any issues. They LIED to us saying that we can look in the club for 5 minutes, if it wasn't what we're after then they would give us our money back. We were in there for exactly 5 minutes, came out, and they vehemently denied. Thing that pissed us off were they were not nice people to start with, but the simple principle of it. If they owner reads this I hope he will sort this out. But I guess in general, realise this is still somewhat cowboy country with cops hunting for tourists to scam as much as mongerers hunting for pros to fuck. So just be careful.
We ended up meeting this really cool guy who took us to River Palace, introduced us to all the girls as he knew many, even though we could have obviously done it ourselves, but nothing like just sitting there and having girls sent to you one after another. I liked it, but the prices ARE ridiculous. Girls opened at $300, and I got it down to like $200 for some, but some won't budge. To be honest I just wanted to cop a feel, great to have 8s and 9s letting you touch them everywhere.
I am sure there is a way that you can get it down further, and maybe someone here can enlighten me and share the knowledge on best way to negotiate down to $100-$150. Like seriously guys... we're in the fucking Ukraine. There is a OVER SUPPLY of hot women, and the idiots paying $300, $400, whatever is completely RUINING it for the rest of us. I don't care if that's the standard price, it's a ridiculous price, and I hope someone will sort out a guide on this because one is definitely necessary. BTW, when is the best days to go? How is tonight (Sunday)?
To be fair we had a good time at RP. The Kiev chick from Buddha Bar came along and she was a non-pro, which was kind of hilarious. At one poin she told me this really cute blonde I think her name was Vika wanted to talk to me. So I grabbed her and sat her down. She was a bit weird but cute, and was trying to work her magic. But what was strange was when I asked her about services and price, after she told me her price was $300 she said 'but don't talk to me like prostitute, i like you'. I was like, what the fuck is this shit? Is this part of her game. My friend was a bit drunk and her english wasn't that great, and somehow he ended up ordering her a Hookah. She then brought over a bottle of champagne and I thought... shit, here we go, we're screwed. So I pointed at the champagne and I was like 'niet, ja ne hachu pist vinu' and she was like 'no this is for you... i pay already, for you free'. I didn't believe her so I went to the bar and checked and she was not kidding. She bought me fucking champagne.
So we're sitting there drinking and I'm just wondering what the hell is going on, she kept putting her face up to mine and tried to kiss me, in between hitting up the dance floor. But I was not paying $300. She gave me her number and to call her, but I'm pretty sure her game was simply to just get me to fork out $300 in exchange for seeming so nice. If she was offering $150 I'd prob be way more up for it.
So while I haven't blew much cash so far, the nights have been getting better (and continued to). Not in a rush to do as many girls as possible but just taking my time and we're just having a great time. Sex is easily available, but I think to get down the prices you need to take your time and be able to negotiate. I've been here for just 4 days, and easily meeting up with girls every night heading out having a blast, and our local network is growing which certainly helps alot.
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Geez, I had forgotten all about Heckler but not 109 - he was my wingman for a brief glourious moment in the winter of 2007.
There is also a bordello behind Friday's, perhaps that was the 'massage' palor you went to.
The local crap they call champagne at RP cost $10-$20/bottle. And I'll give you a little insight into the world of Ho-dom - which applies world wide. Occasionally you will find a girl who just likes you for you. Also a minority of the girls are nympho's you actually like the lifestyle. And conversely, some are burnt out and looking to get out of the life. Either way you over played it with the RP girl.
And the taxi service rate to Borispol is around $22-24 so $30 isn’t all that bad. If you have someone who speaks Russian call one of the taxi dispatching services the last night you are in Kyiv you can arrange to be pick up and dropped off at the airport for the least.
Sounds like you are having fun.
haha definitely having a good time. unfortunately my liver has taken most of the damage :/ Mostly I've just been enjoying myself with friends, so I suppose a slightly different experience from my usual lonewolf day in day out mongerings.
You're right that the massage place was behind Fridays, just in the courtyard I think apartment 48 or something like that. But I didn't know it's a bordello, they made it really clear it's massage only. Anyway the number for it I supplied below. tbh the quality of chicks there are subpar considering the kind of girls you see around town.
And yeah I've dated a few working girls, but usually after the fact (sex) never suggested before. I still think she was up to something, just my instinct. Anyway we've cancelled the trip up to Lvov now so I guess I'll have a few more days to explore.
The biggest frustration I would say is (1) language - even though I managed a 2 hour convo with a Kiev girl last night mostly in Russian (2) safety - as an ethnic minority I def get alot more stares, but I don't think it's racism as much as to them I'm clearly foreign and therefore a sex tourist here to fuck their women. I've not had many issues myself, but a friend was searched down TWICE and I never get problems from the women, but the men do sometimes give dirty looks when you're walking down the street with a hottie and (3) time - I've been here for 4 days only, it's been a crazy night every night just from the adventures perspective, so I can't imagine how it would be like if I was here for a month, so the frustration is in the limited time frame how I can make the most of it.
BTW the venue I was talking about where we saw girls being taken out is Chataeu on Kreschiatik. It's an outdoor area / bar. Do you know if anything goes on here?
Ok we're heading to Shooters in a few hours, if anyone wants to meet up....we'll be the only asian guys there :) if nothing there will prob head over to RP.
The next stage of exploration:
1. Mamba/flirt
2. Sites like top-models
3. Calling up more numbers arranging 'dates'
Another Guy
08-16-09, 20:19
There is also one that we found behind TGI Friday's, can't remember the name but number is +380632370771.Probably: Imperia, erotic massage salon, Bessarabska ploschad 5, http://imperia-mas.com.ua/
(found by googling the phone number).
Borat, ah yes, I forgot to mention Chateau, it's old school Kyiv. That was one of the first Western places to open up on Khreshatic, back before there were any street lights on Khreshatic. Nothing going there as far as I know. I went there for the first time on my last trip - wasn't that bad.
Ok got a Q. met a young 22 year old girl last night at shooters, lots of chemistry, spent the night together till early mornings but i didn't take her home in the end because i didn't want to pay and at first i thought was a pro since i think i saw her upstairs at the bar, but i'm not sure now. money never came up, but she did ask for drinks, she seemed a bit high maintenence, just seem to know how to play the game well, as was already asking to visit me and if i will buy her xyz. i just played along as i figured no harm done. not sure if she wants sponsor, but she also kissed me and was talking to me about family and kids and stupid shit like that while i was drunk off my face!! it didn't end too well as we were calling for a cab, and she was still inside with her friend and she wouldn't help me translate, in my drunken state i was so pissed off i just walked out. she came chasing out and i said some stupid stuff. we talked this morning and i just apologised, and she wants to meet tomorrow, but i'm not sure if it'll end up an expensive date and waste of my time, as i suggested we get drinks at antresol cafe on Shevchenko (a great cafe IMO) and she said 'I don't like that place'. WTF?
BTW - i get a vibe that some of the guys frequently Antresol are members here? :) Seem to often have girls around too
btw what's wrong with a couple of the bouncers at the door at Shooters? they seem to be idiots with monkey brains with a very poor judgement of what they consider 'face control'. happened for 1st time in my life last night but all it took was one phone call to the owners and manager gave him a good verbal beating. i just got a PM from another member who had something similar happen so wondering if this is a common problem.
Ok guys share the juice pls on:
-Avalon: good place? mostly pros?
-RP: worth going to tonight (Monday) - best nights of the night?
I need to plan out and max my time here as I leave in 4-5 days. I actually have just been getting drunk off my face with friends, and did a few massage, haven't even done any FS.
Bez Bezarra
08-18-09, 00:24
I need to max my time here as I leave in 4-5 days.
I have just been getting drunk,
did a few massage,
haven't even done any FS.
MAX YOUR TIME???
THAT'S AN UNDERSTATEMENT!
Why in the world would ANYONE go to Ukraine, and NOT get laid within the first 6 hours after getting off the airplane????
This is absolutely inconceivable!!
Getting drunk every night, but NOT getting pussy?????
Why even bother going there???
Even the dumbest shlub can call an agency out of What's On and get some girl to come over right away. What in the fuck are you waiting for?
A freebie?
Yeesh.
Homo says what?
Borat, "I don't like that place" translates to not expensive enough. You figure out where this is going.
Antresol usually draws a student crowd.
Avalon is a just a typical club. A smattering of pro's/semi pro's.
The best night of the week for RP is usually thursdays.
Shooter is a super cliquey club. It's not what you look like but generally who you know and if you have spent a lot of face time there. Why does every expat in Kyiv know the owner(s) of Shooters? Do they hand out his business card to every male with a foreign passport a Borispil? Yeah, I've met him a few times too. ;)
Why in the world would ANYONE go to Ukraine, and NOT get laid within the first 6 hours after getting off the airplane????
This is absolutely inconceivable!!
Getting drunk every night, but NOT getting pussy?????
Why even bother going there???
Bez what's wrong with getting drunk and having a good time with your friends?
Bez if there is something I am missing in terms of resources for FS contacts that are quality, like some magical website or phone number that has access to 8-9+ girls for $100-$150 or under, I would love to know...
Also I've always liked a good HJ, and while it is not the same as FS, IMO the prices I pay there are WAY more reasonable in the Ukr than the going rates it seems for the same quality of girls doing FS.
I've had some girls I found online that turned up, fake pics, not even hot, so I just got them to fuck off. This aspect is probably most frustrating along with finding apartments, but I agree I must dedicate a bit more effort on this front over next few days, so any tips on maximizing pleasure time would be appreciated.
The quality of chicks at the right price has always been more important to me over quantity when it comes to mongering, so the main frustration over last week is while there are super hot chicks I'm meeting every day, most seem to not speak english, or are non pros, and I am certainly feeling the time pressure. Guess my strategy should have been to focus on busting a nut, THEN working the freebies.
And you are right I did come with the mentality that freebies are readily available, or definitely less than the $200-$300 standard MOT on an average looking girl from RP, like you say I am in the Ukraine and I want the hottest chicks like those off Kreschiatik or in a club like Decadence or a restaurant like Seif that I can get hold of at the best prices possible. I am not interested to increase my QUANTITY by lowering my standards just because I have not yet found anything in what I consider to be the max price I will pay for the particular standard of pussy I am after, that I can have in London, Germany or Amsterdam, no?
Bez, if you have resources of where QUALITY girls here are available for $100-$150, please share, thanks in advance as they would come in very handy. Top-models seem a hit and miss, along with other sites. So is Mamba, I've had a few girls message back but you don't know what to expect. I've been to RP 3 times now and while it's been fun, for the prices they are after I would not pay by the quality compared to what I could get elsewhere.
Bez I would love some of these numbers you are referring to from your personal experience out of What's On that are reliable with HOT girls at least 8-9. I've got a couple of numbers for apartments that seem to have 3-4 girls, so I will be visiting a few in the coming days and will report back. There is always RP, but I honestly don't want to pay anything over $150 for the right quality of chicks, and I suppose there's the other places like Arena, Avalon, etc. that I should check out.
So as much as I love mongering and am a sex addict in certain definitions Bez, I'm having great time, freebies certainly have been a bit hit and miss, so are the quality of FS girls. But I am not lowering my standards.
CruiserD I think you're right. I have to decide if this chick is worth taking out. She is hot and very fuckable. Actually she agreed to meeting for coffee today, so we'll see, I honestly don't care what happens. While in Shooters she did not seem to want much from me. I would say that I will probably be happy to take her out but spend no more than $50 without it going any further. Yes, I'm a cheap mofo...
I will def check out Avalon, along with Decadence, Dante, Barsky - we haven't been to any of 'em but could be fun. On the other hand I wonder if I should just get myself to RP a bit earlier as we seem to arrive a bit late.
We're also been talking about heading to Kharkov for a couple of days to check it out. But from mongering POV is it pretty much dead? I'm surprised as I know that is where alot of the girls where a local woman who sells them to foreigners in containers get the young girls from. Worth a trip, or just stay in Kiev over next few days?
Also are there any local taxi companies that you can call that are ENGLISH speaking damnit LOL
Bez Bezarra
08-18-09, 11:52
Bez what's wrong with getting drunk?
Bez is something I am missing
Bez, I've been to RP 3 times.
Bez I would love some of these numbers out of What's On .
I love mongering and Bez, I'm having great time, But .
Go get What's On or Kiev Post, JESUS CHRIST MAN!!
"YA HACHU TOLKA TVOY NOVY DYEVUSHKA.
TOLKA VOSYM NATSET ILI DYEVIT NATSET LYET.
TOLKA MALINKY HOODINKA.
YESLI NYET, YA NYE HACHU.
OO VAS YEST?
MOY ADRES....................."
If you're really having a "great time" without getting pussy even once, then God help you!
Because I sure can't!
We headed to Buddha Bar that night. Granted it only costed me like $10 USD for drinks for all of us, but it was just the way it was done
Is it a typo ?
If drinks are that cheap in a fine place like Buddha Bar, then Kiev will definitely become my new favorite party destination.
I'd be surprised if you confirm though ; a simple Corona in Bamboo in Bucharest costs $8.
Is it a typo ?
If drinks are that cheap in a fine place like Buddha Bar, then Kiev will definitely become my new favorite party destination.
I'd be surprised if you confirm though ; a simple Corona in Bamboo in Bucharest costs $8.
HAHA you're right it was a typo sorry I mixed up 2 venues. no drinks at Buddha Bar are ridiculous more like Bamboo plus prices, so around $10. The better more upscale venues here like Seif Restaurant where mafia and wannabes roll are way overpriced. Guess it was interesting but I wouldn't go again unless for taking a biz contact. Not even a girl.
Trust me Bez, I am getting my dick soaked next couple of days. You're right that my pro mongering priorities have not been set straight. My friends are all young good looking guys and I think we just thought we'd work the freebies. But like anywhere that's a hit and miss. At the same time my wallet remains equally fat so I will be having a good time over the next few days. :)
The russian template below is helpful thanks. Mind a translation?
I think my concern is you'll get an ugly girl with fake pics sent to your apartment and that you'll be stuck with her.
What is the going rate to send them away without getting mafia dropping by? 100 grivna?
Go get What's On or Kiev Post, JESUS CHRIST MAN!!
"YA HACHU TOLKA TVOY NOVY DYEVUSHKA.
TOLKA VOSYM NATSET ILI DYEVIT NATSET LYET.
TOLKA MALINKY HOODINKA.
YESLI NYET, YA NYE HACHU.
OO VAS YEST?
MOY ADRES....................."
If you're really having a "great time" without getting pussy even once, then God help you!
Because I sure can't!
Don't worry about sending them away, if they look fuck all like described show them the door, they might mention, "you have problem" it won't happen, just be firm polite, send them away, if you really worried about that, meet them at front entrance or try to get a sneak preview if its what you ordered, be careful if you knock back to many girls, your number will bounce around a few agencies and they will know its you, a few sim cards and different accents is the script. Do some damage borat son, what youn have saved over the last few days, find a top bird and get her done.
Bez Bezarra
08-18-09, 21:13
Mafia dropping what???
This ain't NYC/LA/Chicago/Miami!!
The mafia couldn't give 2 shits if you don't want a girl?
There's no fake pics, cause there's no pics, you just call and tell them what you want, and they send over someone. You don't like her, tell her Sorry No.
100 grivnas, for what? The agency is so desperate to get your money, they'll send 3 more girls after the first one.
Translation????
You can't read YA HACHU DYEVUSHKA???
I want girl?????
Oh jesus, no wonder you're still a virgin.
Listen, just forget russian at this point, and ask "English"???
Then tell her you ONLY want the NEW GIRL, 18 or 19 ONLY, and skinny, and no woman with baby. Tell them you want a new student. Tell them if they don't have what you want, then DON'T SEND ANYONE!
That will solve half your problem of sending back something below your standard. You might have to call EVERY number until one of them says yes.
If you have to, then you have to.
If you call them all, and none have what you want, then try for 20 or 21. Call early, by 4:00PM and keep calling until 9PM on weeknight. On weekend, start calling at 2:00 PM and keep calling until 11:00 PM.
Sooner or later.
Or just go to sCrewzer's 100 great salons, but don't ask him for their phone numbers. Ask a taxi to take you. Don't expect to find his 100 though. More like 2. According to sCrewzer, his salons are loaded with hot girls that no one's ever seen a photo of, and that quote, he "rarely partakes" in their hotness, which makes one wonder, is he just impressing us with his abstinence, certainly the surest sign of a great authority and hero of mongering, or is he just such a master far beyond all others that he walks the earth to turn down hot Ukraine pussy to show them and us that he is so studly that he has evolved above physical sex acts and now uses alien 'Sen-sor rings' like Beldar Konehead, telepathically directing erotic pleasure waves to his interplanetary conquests as they moan "Meps! Meps!"!
You can't read YA HACHU DYEVUSHKA???
I want girl?????
Oh jesus, no wonder you're still a virgin.
Ah, Bezzie... Give our little friend a break, will you? Not everyone is as cold and jaded to the whole process as you and I are.
Borat - if you go to dosug.cz, you'll see a bunch of girls there listed for 800uah/hr (around $100). As far as I can tell, they all work for the same agency, though the numbers are different. Masha (http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/en/girl?sid=24406&gid=31010) has one hell of an overbite, but natural, bouyant C cups, trim waist, pert ass, and piercing blue eyes. Gave great BBBJ, DFK, DATY and nice, tight FS. She speaks good English too. Enjoy, bro.
Do you mean Safe, not Seif? Or is there some overpriced place I am missing?
Hit the apartments, that's first stop for p4p girls from the villages and 2nd rate cities in Ukraine. It will take some work but you will come across a gem or two. $60-$100/hour
Bez you are too funny but yet you give Borat the same advice I gave you. I could never understand what your problem is with getting a copy of the Kyiv Post or What's On and dialing up the apartment and then going for a look see yourself - you do have a working knowledge of Russian, don't you? That puts you way ahead of me.
I think our resident Kyiv expert, Uke Boy can vouce that there are dozens and dozens of bordello apartment in the center.
HAHA you're right it was a typo sorry I mixed up 2 venues. no drinks at Buddha Bar are ridiculous more like Bamboo plus prices, so around $10. The better more upscale venues here like Seif Restaurant where mafia and wannabes roll are way overpriced. Guess it was interesting but I wouldn't go again unless for taking a biz contact. Not even a girl.
Bez Bezarra
08-19-09, 00:42
What Koozer is trying to tell you, is that in the Kiev Post and What's On, there are ZERO listings for "apartments", but there are several listings for Salons, or Saunas, or Massage.
But nothing that says 'apartments'.
The Salons even have names:
Luxor, Mishel, Pearl, Argo, Aroma, Bodrost, Coliseum, Domino, Dolce Vita, Laguna, Nika, Poseidon, Sabina, Sydney, Sokil, Troitski.
But Cougar will NEVER tell you that these are the apartments.
He can never understand why I don't go. He's unable to understand, even though I've now told him 7,374 times that I either call an agency so they will send a girl to my flat, or I call one of my sponsorettes from the internet to come to my flat, or my mamachka or one of my local pals arranges for some cutie to come visit my flat. Either way, its cause I'm lazy, AND I never spend more than a few hours in Kiev, on my way in from the airport and then out to the provinces, or back from the provinces and then out to the airport heading home.
But I could explain this a hundred trillion times, and still he will never understand why I don't go to his apartments that aren't listed anywhere.
Bez not all of us speak Russian. And considering I learned the language for 6 days and manage to hold a 45 min convo with a girl @ Disco Radio Hall, I consider not doing too badly. But I still don't know what all the other stuff u wrote was about.
Nevertheless, I checked out a few apartments, got some contacts off local friends and also my own research through a variety of sites all mentioned before.
I chose to visit them as I find it easier to walk away, and prefered not to stick 100 grivna in their pockets for a cab when I could get out for nothing, or have my private cabbie @ 80 grivna/ hour.
Most girls were ugly as fuck, some wanted up to 1k grivna, WTF? I walked.
But I did find one decent one. It's an apartment outside city centre, think it's soemthing like Nihochevsko. Little blonde petite girl, no English but I managed in Russian, and I'm sure a true nympho. She wouldn't stop masterbating and came twice, she was naturally wet no lube required, had a great petite lithe body, great hot ass that I gave a good pounding, but her pussy gave off a slight stench so I probably won't repeat. Fucking hell, the rest was great, but I made sure to wash my cock extra hard afterwards.
I also managed to get some pics and even a small video, so I might stick it up later in the photo gallery.
Anyway I think I'm done with RP. Went there tonight again, fuck now I can't stop. Talked to the 5-8 of the hottest girls, can't remember a single one of thier names, met a 21 law student from Odessa who had very little makeup, still looked great. We had a good convo, and initially she wouldn't budge at $300 / hr. After talking a bit more, she came down to $250 / hr and her friend tried to drag her off, but she told her in Russian that she wants to stay.
I can't remember her name, but great natural face, long blonde hair, around 5'11 (but over 6 ft in heels), slim, natural boobs, and unlike other girls she actually held a convo beyond 'apartment or hotel?' and seemed genuinely interested in good banter than 'get in get out' business.
As mentioned my budget was $100-$150 for an hour, so I was going to walk. In the end she dropped to $200 / hr. This was at like 2:30 or 3 am, I guess I could have worked to get another $50 off but decided in the end I'd rather have more time than sit around. She's in bed as we speak and it's 7 am, so I guess if I go by the hour I've had decent value for money, even though I havne't managed more than 1 pop (yet). My calculation for value for money is usually based more on looks, service, # of pops and what's on menu vs time spent anyway. But she was a great fuck, prob better if we werne't so fucking sleepy at 5 am.
As an interesting side note she asked me to go to Odessa to visit her, said something about RP shutting permanently in a month's time?? Said I can just stay with her if I want but you know I don't take small talk with *****s at face value.
Now I can't get her out of the fucking house, she also showered after sex and came in bed wet (not cum otherwise I could forgive that) and I'm just pissed off she's got my bed all wet, which is why I am writing this at 7 in the fucking morning.
Fuck. OK now gotta get rid of her, great girl, great sex, but I should have planned it all out better, and stuck to my budget. I did enjoy time with her, would I repeat again? I prob would if I got it at $150 for the night, checked out earlier, had 2 pops, got BBBJ (only got CBJ) and CIM (COB). Otherwise, no. Lesson learned!!
Borat, it's hard to get the girls at RP to go for BBBJ's now - there's a reason for that. Sounds like you picked up a great girl and yet you are still complaining. It's not her fault you weren't ready to drill here more then once - you might want to lay off the heavy drinking. I would have been mad if she got in the bed wet too but I think that was your cue to fuck her. ;) If she was that interested it might be time to convert her into a freebie or at least a $100 fuck.
Borat, it's hard to get the girls at RP to go for BBBJ's now - there's a reason for that. Sounds like you picked up a great girl and yet you are still complaining. It's not her fault you weren't ready to drill here more then once - you might want to lay off the heavy drinking. I would have been mad if she got in the bed wet too but I think that was your cue to fuck her. ;) If she was that interested it might be time to convert her into a freebie or at least a $100 fuck.
Hey Cruiser
Yes shame about BBBJ but here in this country I prob better stay on the safe side, still don't want weird stuff growing on my dick just yet
What I'm saying is I approached it the wrong way. I gamed her in RP, while my approach got her to like me alot and dropped her prices by half and increased the time she spent, she got a bit too interested in my life, and talking about hers. I think her reasoning was that she could TALK instead of fuck.
The point is she is a HOOKER and a ***** and she wouldn't stop YAKKING on about how much money she has, saying shit like how small my apartment is (it's a standard 1 bedroom right in the city centre), how bigger her apartment is, how much money she makes, YAK YAK YAK.
I am not here to write a cover story for her on the cover of ***** magazine, and I paid good money to FUCK. Yes I got to fuck her, but by the time I did I was tired out of my mind, and as soon as I blew my load on her I just wanted to sleep.
Shame really. I was NOT drunk. She TRIED to get me drunk. I suggested fucking way earlier but she wanted to drink. Her getting into the bed wet was RIGHT after we fucked, she took a long ass shower for like 30 minutes, used up half my bottle of body wash, complained about how I didn't have conditioner for fuck's sake.
And no it was not a queue to fuck when she got in bed wet, she got the bed soaked, curled up in a ball with the blanket wrapped around her head. Said she will wake up and go at 7. WTF?? I didn't pay for this shit!
She is a great conversationalist but in terms of manners was pretty [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor. I think I actually have played it down a bit, because I truly wanted to make the most of that money I paid.
My day experience was WAAAY better, for less than half the price. I will try to dig up the info for that apartment, it's located outside city centre.
Today is my last day, so I better have a few hot hot girls lined up to make up for it all.
BTW CD I think it's the same restaurant, just off Kreschiatik. Some great eye candy, apparently alot of models that go to be scouted.
BTW guys would love recommendations on where to go tonight - thinking Avalon + RP. What do you reckon?
BTW Pizdyets thanks a bunch for that info, I'll check it out in the day. Reckon I can squeeze 3 different girls all into 1 day and night, if not load up with a double massage info I plan to get with 2 hotties today through some local big contacts guaranteed to be really hot, was told 2 gorgeous girls for $100. Will see how it goes. I got a 7 am flight the next day so guess I better catch some sleep :)
BTW guys would love recommendations on where to go tonight. Thinking Avalon + RP. What do you reckon? Patipa maybe? It's always packed. Too fucking dark for my tastes though. I like to establish eye contact before approaching, and it's impossible if you can only see a silhouette of your target. Also, face control is very liberal with the ladies. I spotted plenty of blimps and grandmas who wouldn't ever see the inside of a decent Moscow club.
Also, maybe Arena? Girl ratio and quality is historically quite good. Though last time there it was Turks Night Out. I'm not racist, and some of my good friends are Turks. But it was just weird. Seriously, my wingman and I were the only white guys in the house. Anyone know what's up with that?
BTW Pizdyets thanks a bunch for that info, I'll check it out in the day.No sweat, bro. Enjoy!
I have been reading and really enjoying and digesting all the tips and info put in by Borat from Kiev.
I notice that Bez Bazzara mentions that there are several listings for salons, or saunas, or massage, in the Kiev post and what's on.
Now we know what to get in massage places, but are salons, another term for massage places?
I have read previous posts re Kiev.
Please do not feel you need to reply if you haven't got the time or the patience for a newbie question.
Going back and rechecking the lively exchange between Bez and Cruiser D I solved my previous q re salons, so I take it salons are private apts but are not called apts in the kiev post or what's on.
Now saunas and massage are they the same?
The reason I ask because in a previous report someone mentioned that he paid $15 for the sauna and $100 ph sex for the girl, yet it is quite cllear in the massage places in Kiev only erotic massage is available.
I know what you mean about the girl from RP. I had a similar experience to that when I was in Kyiv in May, except it was an old semi pro contact of mine and her GF. Geez, she was freakin annoying (my friend) but her was friend was pretty cool. I think I'm going to dump my old contact out of the picture the next time and just hook up with her friend. I hate it when girls do they old, let's drink before we fuck thing. Some girl tried that on me last weekend in NYC. I said try the hotel bar and give me a call when you are ready to come back up.
Just a side note when she starts capping on your small apartment and saying how much bigger hers is. Just say, yeah, it's too bad it's in the Ukraine. Make sure to say THE Ukraine too, that annoys em too. :)
Yeah, I dropped $200 there for lunch once. The food was good however, just overpriced. I was with a model btw - so I guess that makes it ok. :D
BTW CD I think it's the same restaurant, just off Kreschiatik. Some great eye candy, apparently alot of models that go to be scouted.
Bez not all of us speak Russian. And considering I learned the language for 6 days and manage to hold a 45 min convo with a girl @ Disco Radio Hall, I consider not doing too badly. But I still don't know what all the other stuff u wrote was about. Borat,
Basically what Bez was talking about is how to talk to the agency. How to ask for the right girl :)
YA HACHU TOLKA TVOY NOVY DYEVUSHKA.
I only want your new girl.
TOLKA VOSYM NATSET ILI DYEVIT NATSET LYET.
Only 18 or 19 years old.
TOLKA MALINKY HOODINKA.
Only slim.
YESLI NYET, YA NYE HACHU.
If you don't have one, I don't want.
OO VAS YEST?
Do you have ?
MOY ADRES....................."
My address ....
Speed Touch
08-22-09, 12:25
The going rate to send a girl away is usually her taxi fare - usually 40 or 50 grv. Sometimes girls from top models send two girls...they don't resemble the pics but at least you have a choice sent out to you - pick one or pick both. If you pick one the other one will ask for her taxi fare back.
Trust me Bez, I am getting my dick soaked next couple of days. You're right that my pro mongering priorities have not been set straight. My friends are all young good looking guys and I think we just thought we'd work the freebies. But like anywhere that's a hit and miss. At the same time my wallet remains equally fat so I will be having a good time over the next few days. :)
The russian template below is helpful thanks. Mind a translation?
I think my concern is you'll get an ugly girl with fake pics sent to your apartment and that you'll be stuck with her.
What is the going rate to send them away without getting mafia dropping by? 100 grivna?
AColonizer
08-22-09, 14:01
yes, but we often need to send away all girls, because they are very different from pictures.
therefore if agency tried to cheat us by fake pictures and it wasted our time because we need to await its girls, who are often not on time, it is our right not to pay any fare, taxi, bus, metro: just to say "no real pictures, no money" in russian of course.
the going rate to send a girl away is usually her taxi fare - usually 40 or 50 grv. sometimes girls from top models send two girls...they don't resemble the pics but at least you have a choice sent out to you - pick one or pick both. if you pick one the other one will ask for her taxi fare back.
speed, there isn't any going rate to send a girl away. if you ask for a 18 year old 180cm 55kilo blond and they send you a 28 year old 150cm 60kilo dark hair girl. you just simply say you are not the girl i asked for, go away. if you call up the agency and say 'send me a girl' then you deserve having yuri in a wig show up at your door. if you are dealing with a semi pro she might come in a taxi. the agencies have drivers for their girls. don't be a tool, it makes the rest of us look bad too.
'get lost' in english works well too. if you don't want to be rude don't shut the door in her face.
Hello,
I'll be in Kiev next week onwards.
Any body around to meet up for a drink?
BTW guys would love recommendations on where to go tonight - thinking Avalon + RP. What do you reckon?
BTW Pizdyets thanks a bunch for that info, I'll check it out in the day. Reckon I can squeeze 3 different girls all into 1 day and night, if not load up with a double massage info I plan to get with 2 hotties today through some local big contacts guaranteed to be really hot, was told 2 gorgeous girls for $100. Will see how it goes. I got a 7 am flight the next day so guess I better catch some sleep :)Arrived in Kiev with a day to spare before I met my Russian girl off the train, went dow to a salon and had a nice massage with lovely student type, nice finish, so back to my apartment to make some calls, arranged to meet a lovely 19yr old from a dating site, said she liked older men and her photos were nice, arranged to meet her at ploshtova plosha next to my apartment, I knew my girlfriends train arrives at 3-15 so I arrange to meet tanya at 1pm, thinking if chance arrives I can get her sorted. She arrived typically late at 1-40, she did not want to go to my apartment so we went for coffee and had a chat, lovely girl, very sexy, she was no pro, I didn't know what she wanted to be honest, I knew I had not enough time so told her I had to go, she was dissapointed but said its ok, I said I was free on 28th, she said she would take day off work, I knew it was there for me, so said goodbye, off I went, . At some stage I had been talking with borat, it was his last night, he was moaning on so I gave hima number of a girl who was asking to much, but she was easily a 9. I left it at that and met my girl, we had shower and that night went to meet borat and have a drink, met off shevchenko, he thanked me for the number I gave him and that he had a great time with her, all for free, fucking typical, so we say goodbye, next day I get a minute to myself and call this tanya who I had coffee with, she is very short with me, and asks why I "gave her number to my friend" I said no way did I do that, she said yes you did, and now I "can't trust you" I apologise but she says no way she now wants to see me, I tried to tell her "I have 3 tanysa in my phone " its an easy mistake, so she calls me a babenick and hangs up, how the fuck I have given borat her number is beyond me, but costly mistake, ha ha hope you enjoyed her borat, he told me he fucked her all over the place, its just my luck, if it was raining soup id be standing in the street with a fork in my hand, people like borat could fall in a bucket of shit and come out with a mars bar.
Gentlemen,
I've been wondering - I'm thinking of going on a trip to Kiev for a few days to monger.
I'm of Asian descent but born in North America. Is there a good chance I'll run into racial violence or prejudice in Kiev being Asian?
Thanks!
I thought I already posted this but I guess I pressed the wrong button?
Anyways, I'll be traveling to Kiev in mid-late September for a few days specifically to do some mongering.
I was just wondering, since I'm of Asian descent (but born in North America) - do you guys know if I'll be treated differently - significantly? As in - violence, outright racism or just being treated badly?
Thanks guys!
I thought I already posted this but I guess I pressed the wrong button?
Anyways, I'll be traveling to Kiev in mid-late September for a few days specifically to do some mongering.
I was just wondering, since I'm of Asian descent (but born in North America) - do you guys know if I'll be treated differently - significantly? As in - violence, outright racism or just being treated badly?
Thanks guys!Hi Dissey,
I was in Kiev early this year and I'm an australian with asian descent and I wasn't treated differently at all. They were all nice to me. My personal guide told me that they have no problems at all with Asian race; not sure whether she was telling me the truth or not.
From what I have learnt, it doesn't matter what race you are, as long as you have a very thick wallet. Then everything will be ok. LOL
CityHunter77
08-26-09, 19:02
You should have no problems with racism, it is quite a safe place.
I've just come back this week.
I thought I already posted this but I guess I pressed the wrong button?
Anyways, I'll be traveling to Kiev in mid-late September for a few days specifically to do some mongering.
I was just wondering, since I'm of Asian descent (but born in North America) - do you guys know if I'll be treated differently - significantly? As in - violence, outright racism or just being treated badly?
Thanks guys!
Hello all,
Please, I request your advice.
I have been exchanging emails and photos with a nice Ukrainian girl. We have agreed to meet for the first time on a trip to Turkey for a few days, and of course, she expects me to pay for everything.
I do not mind paying, but I do not want to be taken advantage of. For example if I pay everything for her, but then she refuses to have sex.
I have been thinking things such as sending her just a one way ticket, keeping her return ticket for myself, if she is not cooperative.
What do you recommend?
Thanks for your advice. Regards. B.B.
LifeSavour
08-26-09, 21:16
Please understand this:
1) If they come to your apartment they KNOW it is SEX!
2) FOR sure if they go on a trip... IT IS 'manoga' sex!
You are doing ok!
[QUOTE=I request your advice.
I have been exchanging emails and photos with a nice Ukrainian girl. We have agreed to meet for the first time on a trip to Turkey for a few days, and of course, she expects me to pay for everything.
I do not mind paying, but I do not want to be taken advantage of. For example if I pay everything for her, but then she refuses to have sex.
I have been thinking things such as sending her just a one way ticket, keeping her return ticket for myself, if she is not cooperative.
What do you recommend?[/QUOTE]
BB,
Why not just meet here in Ukraine? If she is from the provinces, a trip to Kiev would be a treat for her and a lot cheaper for you than Turkey. That way if there is no sex, you can put her on the next train back home for a lot less money.
If you are determined to meet her in Turkey, like anything else, no guarantees about her having sex with you. Most tickets are now e-tickets so I do not see how you can keep the return off the e-ticket and if you sent her a one-way ticket that would also be a sign of bad faith on your part. Not a good way to signal your intentions. Also some immigration officers do ask to see a return ticket before allowing someone into the country so you may have no sex at all if that happens. That is not a good idea.
If it is Turkey you decide on, it is a risk you take unless you ask her or tell her outright that sex is part of the price she will have to pay. Otherwise, consider a trip to Ukraine.
Hello all,
Please, I request your advice.
I have been exchanging emails and photos with a nice Ukrainian girl. We have agreed to meet for the first time on a trip to Turkey for a few days, and of course, she expects me to pay for everything.
I do not mind paying, but I do not want to be taken advantage of. For example if I pay everything for her, but then she refuses to have sex.
I have been thinking things such as sending her just a one way ticket, keeping her return ticket for myself, if she is not cooperative.
What do you recommend?
Thanks for your advice. Regards. B.B.
Simply tell her - no sex = no honey (in a nice way of course)
By the way e-ticket or not she will have to show a return ticket to get the visa on arrival in the airport in Istanbul....
...Why not just meet here in Ukraine?....
Cause he posted in 3 different threads at same time, so she is russian in russian and belarussian thread and ukranian here....ok for sure she understands russki izik LOL
Cause he posted in 3 different threads at same time, so she is russian in russian and belarussian thread and ukranian here....ok for sure she understands russki izik LOL
Well, the story is that I am speaking with half a dozen different girls, all russian speaking, and I haven't chosen yet. And, yes, a few are Russian, some others are Ukrainian, and one is Belarussian.
I was wondering if they could have different reactions, because of the different cultures.
LOL
Hi,
Will be in Kyiv next week on vacation, had a good read through this thread which has been very helpful cheers. If anyone is around for a drink PM me as I'm on my own! Also it seems that I really need to brush up on a bit of Russian to strike up a conversation with most girls does it? My Russian is virtually nothing so guess I need to learn some basics?
Reiner Otto
08-28-09, 11:16
Hi,
Will be in Kyiv next week on vacation, had a good read through this thread which has been very helpful cheers. If anyone is around for a drink PM me as I'm on my own! Also it seems that I really need to brush up on a bit of Russian to strike up a conversation with most girls does it? My Russian is virtually nothing so guess I need to learn some basics?
PM only possible, in case you register here.
Will pass thru Kiev on 3-Sept, on my trip to Nikolaev.
I arrrive in Borispol about 17:00, so I will have some time before catching my train.
We could have a chat/beer in the centre, if you like.
Do you have a UA-mobile number ?
Cheers,
Reiner (German)
Hi,
Will be in Kyiv next week on vacation, had a good read through this thread which has been very helpful cheers. If anyone is around for a drink PM me as I'm on my own! Also it seems that I really need to brush up on a bit of Russian to strike up a conversation with most girls does it? My Russian is virtually nothing so guess I need to learn some basics?
Quick tips (copy/paste from a PM I responded to), mostly for the asian man in Kiev:
1. Learn some Russian before you go. Even the basics will help. I speak some basic conversational Russian and it only took me 5 days before the trip. In general my friends failed with a few girls who genuinely did not speak any English, while I was sustaining a 1 hour conversation with them thanks to this. But to be honest I also think alot of women DO speak english and pretend they don't. I sometimes wondered if this was due to being an ethnic minority, and I'm sure there is some correlation, as I'd see some old fat ugly fucking bastard talk to the girl shortly after and be conversing, and we'd be pretty sure it's a foreigner. But we could be wrong.
2. There IS a level of racism, but it's not super blatant, you will get stared down at times, you will get people watching you esp if you are with a local girl, alot more severely than most EE places I've been in. But most people will be ok with you, just keep your head on your shoulders, be safe!
It's safer than St. P and parts of Russia from what i hear, my friend got surrounded by 15 skinheads in St. P recently almost got beaten to a pulp but narrowly escaped. There's alot of stuff in the news about skinheads targetting minorities with a view to kill, so don't do anything stupid.
I was always with friends on this trip so was ok, in the times I was alone, I was also ok, I know how to carry myself and never look like a lost tourist. This is not your standard western civilised society, things work different out here from how to fuck girls (paid or for free) to doing business and bribing people. A police tried to arrest me towards the end of the trip, he was drunk, when the bouncer told him who I was and who I knew he instantly wanted to be my friend, gave me his phone number and email offering me protection. So there you go that's how it's done there.
So the basic is: in general yes you will be fine, and don't worry about it. Make friends, try not to be alone late at night. Kiev is not too bad. Be careful outside the centre. Partly it's not race or because of being asian, but the main reason is you are clearly a tourist and don't blend in, someone there to fuck their women, alot of the guys don't like that (they treat foreign white guys the same if you are clearly a tourist) and when they can't express that anger and frustration in non-violent ways they have to find a way to act out. But don't be afraid. Be smart, be brave, be confident!
TIP: store number of your embassy in your phone before you go. This will help alot. NEVER hand your passport over to police, hold it and SHOW them the pic, if they threaten you say you will call the embassy, pick your phone up and be ready to DIAL. Try to avoid paying the 200 grivna fee if you can, the fucking scam fucks. I never had this happen to me while there, but I think I was lucky as even locals have been scammed by the dirty cops.
3. Someone asked me about GIA - I never used GIA but there are ALOT better looking women out of that stupid agency. RP is worth a trip, if you can spend $200-$300 on a girl. I would never pay more than $150 from now on. I think like most EE countries, apartments are ultimately the way to go, but it's a matter of hit and miss, trying your luck. And don't be stupid. Don't blow your money on girls expecting something in return. I had these 2 girls who got my number through 2 layers of people and I was pissed off they expected I buy them drinks, they were not fuck material in my book and while it was only $10, the stupid *****s needed a slap in the face. But that's the way it is out there.
There are girls that line up for free sushi, drinks and all that shit and we watch them blow guys off right after, a queue and all. Girls there really aren't stupid, in fact there are alot of VERY smart women.
One question I got was whether 9/10 girls in clubs that are friendly are mostly pros/semipros... depends on your definition. The way things work there is VERY different, so I would say almost all girls are 'semi-pros' in that they want something in return, not like in the western world where some good banter can get you laid. It's a different game, and mentality is different. Girls there all want something - some want money, some want relationship, others for love, but most are also pretty ready for a good ass pounding if you are the right guy, they are all women after all!!!
Hope this helps.
BTW I would love to talk to some people who are doing business out in Kiev btw, as I'm interested to look into this myself, and would love to network. Get in touch...!
BB,
Why not just meet here in Ukraine? If she is from the provinces, a trip to Kiev would be a treat for her and a lot cheaper for you than Turkey. That way if there is no sex, you can put her on the next train back home for a lot less money.
If you are determined to meet her in Turkey, like anything else, no guarantees about her having sex with you. Most tickets are now e-tickets so I do not see how you can keep the return off the e-ticket and if you sent her a one-way ticket that would also be a sign of bad faith on your part. Not a good way to signal your intentions. Also some immigration officers do ask to see a return ticket before allowing someone into the country so you may have no sex at all if that happens. That is not a good idea.
If it is Turkey you decide on, it is a risk you take unless you ask her or tell her outright that sex is part of the price she will have to pay. Otherwise, consider a trip to Ukraine.
I agree with UKEboy's advice.
I agree with UKEboys advice.
Me too - I had a girl come from Moscow to meet me in Kiev last February. I was going to have her fly down and she suggested that we spend the money on a nice dinner out and she would take the TRAIN down. Gotta love a sensible girl.
Me too - I had a girl come from Moscow to meet me in Kiev last February. I was going to have her fly down and she suggested that we spend the money on a nice dinner out and she would take the TRAIN down. Gotta love a sensible girl.
I have this option and interesting from me because for Russia I need a visuma dn this is not the case in Ukraine. I only wonder if a Russian woman can offer me more than a local Ukraine woman? are they more desperates for some extra money? are they better in sex? Maybe Kiev is a chance to combine and choose between Russian and Ukraine? any experiences from other members in this topic? positive or negative?
I have this option and interesting from me because for Russia I need a visuma dn this is not the case in Ukraine. I only wonder if a Russian woman can offer me more than a local Ukraine woman? are they more desperates for some extra money? are they better in sex? Maybe Kiev is a chance to combine and choose between Russian and Ukraine? any experiences from other members in this topic? positive or negative?
That's a good question but please don't misunderstand my situation. This was a non-pro girl that I was trying to lure with me on a get-away weekend for sex. The fact that she came to Kiev was strictly as a mini-vacation. The same girl took the train to Saint Petersburg to meet me the year earlier and I had the same results. This girl is a business woman with a very stressful job so getting her out of Moscow was the key to having sex with her in this case.
BUT - again I think you ask an interesting question. If you are comparing Moscow pros and Kiev pros, I think you are better off with the Kiev pro in Kiev. Maybe not. Mind you, if you find a Russian girl in Kiev who is on teh job, then she may well be more desperate and be willing to give you more value for dollar (or Hryvna). But maybe not - tough question man.
I have this option and interesting from me because for Russia I need a visuma dn this is not the case in Ukraine. I only wonder if a Russian woman can offer me more than a local Ukraine woman? are they more desperates for some extra money? are they better in sex? Maybe Kiev is a chance to combine and choose between Russian and Ukraine? any experiences from other members in this topic? positive or negative?
a russian girl on holiday in ukraine is up for FUCKING. just as a russian girl on holiday anywhere else in the world or vice versa. we met a moscow girl during our trip who bought us shots, and was up for a spit roast (or 4some with her friend), but one of their friends was a complete cockblock (they kept trying to tell her to fuck off and leave but she was persistent as fuck). she was ukranian.
but i think you're asking the wrong question. it isn't about whether a russian woman or a ukraine woman can offer you more, but what you can offer them in terms of value in order to GET access to the divinity. russian women tend to have MORE money (IMO, at least in my limited experience) because most aren't just smart but hold jobs unlike ukrainian women, alot of whom rely on MEN to provide them the finances in exchange for sexual favours.
in fact the mentality in ukraine just makes me want to abuse the system by using the women there purely for sex. having said that yes there are smart clever ukraine girls that hold jobs but i'm talking about the mentality here, in ukraine most girls seem to want to have a guy buy shit do shit for them take them out eat expensive shit drink long island ice teas if they don't have expensive tastes. you are expected to pay for everything if you are wining/dining a girl, not like back home where girls buy me shit. what i find is russian girls are not the same way. many open their purses and don't expect a guy to pay for everything.
i guess that can be good or bad depending what you're after, if you have money to blow and waste then ukranian women are probably good to do that on. but IMO the price of EE pussy is never valued over $50-$75 / hr (even for a 9), and i don't care whether the economy goes up or down, the quality of girls are pretty constant.
question you have to ask (1) am i after just the PROS in which case Ukraine has alot to offer, so does Russia, and quesiton comes down to where has better looking pros, easier /safer access, cheaper overall - i'm sure someone can enlighten on this (2) am i looking for more ie love, relationship etc a girl to like me for me- in which case venturing outside Kiev is not so bad an idea.
Hrchrister
08-31-09, 09:59
in ukraine most girls seem to want to have a guy buy shit do shit for them take them out eat expensive shit drink long island ice teas if they don't have expensive tastes. you are expected to pay for everything if you are wining/dining a girl, not like back home where girls buy me shit. what i find is russian girls are not the same way. many open their purses and don't expect a guy to pay for everything.
You have right, your experience with this must be limited. The truth is that russians are the most lazy people existing, russian woman are even worse than ukrainians when it comes to find a man which can support them. I have lived in several countries with big russian minorities, and it never goes wrong. You have probably met russian girls on holliday, they may open their purse (and surely their pussies), but russians on travel means russians with money, that may explain your experience.
You have right, your experience with this must be limited. The truth is that russians are the most lazy people existing, russian woman are even worse than ukrainians when it comes to find a man which can support them. I have lived in several countries with big russian minorities, and it never goes wrong. You have probably met russian girls on holliday, they may open their purse (and surely their pussies), but russians on travel means russians with money, that may explain your experience.
Hrchrister, hence I quote in the opening statement, "a russian girl on holiday". Twice.
So essentially you have misread my initial hypothesis and you are misquoting me in a redundant counter argument.
Doctor_Skank
08-31-09, 20:26
but i think you're asking the wrong question. it isn't about whether a russian woman or a ukraine woman can offer you more, but what you can offer them in terms of value in order to GET access to the divinity. russian women tend to have MORE money (IMO, at least in my limited experience) because most aren't just smart but hold jobs unlike ukrainian women, alot of whom rely on MEN to provide them the finances in exchange for sexual favours.
Russian and Ukrainian women are both beautiful in their own right, with many (including many Russians) saying that Ukrainian women are the most beautiful of all.
Other than that, in my experience Russian women are more intelligent, cultured, cosmopolitan, sexual, honest, realistic and much more clever than their Ukrainian cousins.
I've said it before... all Slavic women are good at being manipulative in their own wiley feminine way, however Russian girls are clever and cunning whereas Ukrainian girls are sneaky and conniving.
Not that I don't like Ukrainian girls, but Russian girls are better overall in my opinion.
Essentially all Ukrainian girls are village girls with village qualities, but with village tastes and village attitudes. They are manipulative as hell, but can be manipulated as well. Nonetheless, the game grows tiresome.
You have right, your experience with this must be limited. The truth is that russians are the most lazy people existing, russian woman are even worse than ukrainians when it comes to find a man which can support them. Obviously I disagree... but maybe we've just been meeting different kinds of women. My experiences in Russia are based mostly on Moscow and St.Petersburg women, whereas in Ukraine on Kiev and Odessa.
Explorer69
08-31-09, 20:38
....... however Russian girls are clever and cunning whereas Ukrainian girls are sneaky and conniving. Maybe you can explain a little bit more in details excactly what you mean - and maybe even give examples? Your view is interesting!
Other than that, in my experience Russian women are more intelligent, cultured, cosmopolitan, sexual, honest, realistic and much more clever than their Ukrainian cousins.
Seconded at 100%.
I'd add witty to the list. Try to make humor with an ukrainian (or moldovian for that matter) girl and she'll -often- just look at you like you're from Mars.
russian woman are even worse than ukrainians when it comes to find a man which can support them.
None of my russian GFs had materialistic expectations, and with them the key to success was personality and cultural knowledge/awareness and not wallet.
If the russians girls you've met were solely interested on material things, it's maybe because you are yourself seriously lacking something in the personal department.
Reiner Otto
09-01-09, 09:13
Has anybody expirience with a girl from dosug.cz, Kiev ?
Are the photos for real, and the prices, they write in the ads, are they realistic ?
Will fly into Kiev soon, and will have time for some short break before catching my train to Nikolaev :-)
Seconded at 100%.
I'd add witty to the list. Try to make humor with an ukrainian (or moldovian for that matter) girl and she'll -often- just look at you like you're from Mars.
Ukrainian women don't have a sense of humor. Just ask my grandmother.
Russian and Ukrainian women are both beautiful in their own right, with many (including many Russians) saying that Ukrainian women are the most beautiful of all.
Other than that, in my experience Russian women are more intelligent, cultured, cosmopolitan, sexual, honest, realistic and much more clever than their Ukrainian cousins.
I've said it before... all Slavic women are good at being manipulative in their own wiley feminine way, however Russian girls are clever and cunning whereas Ukrainian girls are sneaky and conniving.
Not that I don't like Ukrainian girls, but Russian girls are better overall in my opinion.
Essentially all Ukrainian girls are village girls with village qualities, but with village tastes and village attitudes. They are manipulative as hell, but can be manipulated as well. Nonetheless, the game grows tiresome.Obviously I disagree... but maybe we've just been meeting different kinds of women. My experiences in Russia are based mostly on Moscow and St.Petersburg women, whereas in Ukraine on Kiev and Odessa.
Doctor, I really appreciate your opinion and seems to be based or real experiences. What can you recommend in “export “ a woman from these countries which one has better chance to be integrated in a different country? maybe for a 3 months period or maybe longer? Thai women and Latinas are very difficult because you marriage the “family"; is the same with Russian and Ukraine and the integration in a different country easy? e.g. language, food, weather, earn money etc
Very interesting issue Sponsor74 !
I share my experience: 2 friends married with czech women, 1 divorced, 1 still happy together.
Other 3 friends married with slovak girls: they are all together, but only one happy, the others 2 just live together.
So 5 marriage with ex ceskoslovensko country and only 1 happy.
BUT all and I mean really ALL, married not only family, but also wife's grandmother,grandfather....
I am the happiest one, as I go often, I get fun, some relationship, but never thought about marriage. I got much more than all these 5 friends together with much less effort, energy, money...
That's why I will marry only with myself ;)
Curious about the experiences the others have to share
Very interesting issue Sponsor74 !
I share my experience: 2 friends married with czech women, 1 divorced, 1 still happy together.
Other 3 friends married with slovak girls: they are all together, but only one happy, the others 2 just live together.
So 5 marriage with ex ceskoslovensko country and only 1 happy.
BUT all and I mean really ALL, married not only family, but also wife's grandmother,grandfather....
I am the happiest one, as I go often, I get fun, some relationship, but never thought about marriage. I got much more than all these 5 friends together with much less effort, energy, money...
That's why I will marry only with myself ;)
Curious about the experiences the others have to share
In Switzerland (Swiss & Swiss) from 3 marriages 2 divorced and 1 in a deep crisis; Swiss & Foreigners the rate is not too bad like Swiss & Swiss but Russian & Ukraine women have here a very bad reputation mainly due to our ugly and old Swiss women (of course there are exceptions) but the positive side is the bank account of the women here and this is not the case with desperates women from Russia and Ukraine; anyway in my opinion maybe a good chance BUT not necessary to get married, why? the risk is too big
Hello,
CIM was offered in brothels speaking directly to the girl once alone. Ask in Russian <<I want to finish in mouth. How much Easy to get from a translator if you don't speak Russian. Not all offered the possibility but one in two/three. As told, I prefer not too known brothels. As people over there have a limited if any knowledge of english, enough Russian to ask for things or to sustain a simple phone call is a serious advantage (it really saved my life in Russia).
They were not far from khreshatik. I found them asking to cab drivers or to a casino waiter. Regarding cab drivers is useful to tell him to arrange a full-pack. That is calling the brothel, fixing a price and the taxi fare. So you know in advance which is the total cost. If not he will drive you for the whole night through Kiev.
Considering serious or semi serious relationships: After my experience not a little amount of educated girls (university graduates, secretaries et. Al) are quite open to leave for the western world (machismo regarding female work, idealizing the west, divorce.). As I work in a managerial position I did not have much trouble in playing my part in the wooing (I repeat: They are educated girls who have a notion of the real world, they are not fooled easily).
As in any other situation back home, this is taking chances. I don't say that any girl I accosted fell in my arms valentino style. Of course clean looks and an attiring country play their part. And also a certain age range. I really don't think a 46 y. O hardware-shop clerk from Hoboken. Or Tessaloniki for american readers- stands much chances of getting a 22 yo. Wannabe model.
As where are the brothels-girls now I don't know. That was what I was asking for in my first mail!
Regards
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Hello all,
A bit late maybe, but as I always do I try to make a brief report of my travels.
A) Streetwalkers:
To be found after passing the "Victory Avenue" once you past the Shevchenko blvd near the zoo.
Not too many and of varied quality and price (400-500 UAH/hour). best days on weekends around midnight. If interested just ask a taxi driver.
B) Riverpalace:
Around 200EUR/hour. Price is difficult to negociate but not time. I got two girls around 180-200 EUR for the whole night (2:00-8:00). Beautiful but with no particular sexual abilities.
C) Semi-pros:
In places like Arena or Patipa.
About 100EUR two hours. After my experience good ratio quality-service-price.
D) Salons:
Quality medium-low. Price about 500-700 UAH/hour.
E) Freebies:
Takes a lot of work and very difficult for non-residents or non russian speakers.
As I always try to be nice and civil (they are girls not just heaps of flesh) and I am not too spoiled I got two of them who did me a particular good service (in fact one finished with me free just for fun).
Conclussions:
1.- Russian remains mandatory, although the number of english-speaking girls have increased.
2.- Euro-Latin type is much in demand (specially middle class Spaniards and Northern Italians).
3.- The crisis have led many young mothers into the trade (girls here tend to marry very young).
4.- Best time for semi-pros in discos is around 3:00AM.
5.- If you are not too good looking or under forty, try directly an agency like GIA, don't play the fool. In Riverpalace I've seen Anericans disgracing their country more than Guantanamo has. This is not Tijuana, boys!
Have fun.
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AColonizer
09-02-09, 10:36
Thanks for your sincere report.
I would like to deepen:
- about touchkas, did you see any young and nice ones? Did you find them along (very long) Pobedy Prospect or after that (very far from the centre)?
- about prices, never, never, never pay in euros! This is another way to increase prices: from 100 grivnas to 100 dollars and then to 100 euros, that's a difference!
- overnight time is traditionally from 10 p.m. to 8 a.m., that means 10 hours. Less than 10 hours is not "night";
- in all "dating" clubs I always ask for a specific service, the swallow deepthroat blowjob; when a girl agrees then I ask for the price; and then, again, in my (not her!) flat I have always to check she makes good sex because it is usual girls try every kind of tricks and cheats not to commit our agreement;
- about prices, those prices are very high! Where is the "crisis"??? Here somebody payed 150 euros for a whole day, most men pay 100/200 dollars for an hour, but that rate is similar, sometimes lower sometimes higher, than Western Europe!
Guys, keep prices down, otherwise we all have to go to Thailand!
Hello all,
A bit late maybe, but as I always do I try to make a brief report of my travels.
A) Streetwalkers:
To be found after passing the "Victory Avenue" once you past the Shevchenko blvd near the zoo.
Not too many and of varied quality and price (400-500 UAH/hour). best days on weekends around midnight. If interested just ask a taxi driver.
B) Riverpalace:
Around 200EUR/hour. Price is difficult to negociate but not time. I got two girls around 180-200 EUR for the whole night (2:00-8:00). Beautiful but with no particular sexual abilities.
C) Semi-pros:
In places like Arena or Patipa.
About 100EUR two hours. After my experience good ratio quality-service-price.
D) Salons:
Quality medium-low. Price about 500-700 UAH/hour.
E) Freebies:
Takes a lot of work and very difficult for non-residents or non russian speakers.
As I always try to be nice and civil (they are girls not just heaps of flesh) and I am not too spoiled I got two of them who did me a particular good service (in fact one finished with me free just for fun).
Conclussions:
1.- Russian remains mandatory, although the number of english-speaking girls have increased.
2.- Euro-Latin type is much in demand (specially middle class Spaniards and Northern Italians).
3.- The crisis have led many young mothers into the trade (girls here tend to marry very young).
4.- Best time for semi-pros in discos is around 3:00AM.
5.- If you are not too good looking or under forty, try directly an agency like GIA, don't play the fool. In Riverpalace I've seen Anericans disgracing their country more than Guantanamo has. This is not Tijuana, boys!
Have fun.
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Hello all,
A bit late maybe, but as I always do I try to make a brief report of my travels.
A) Streetwalkers:
To be found after passing the "Victory Avenue" once you past the Shevchenko blvd near the zoo.
Not too many and of varied quality and price (400-500 UAH/hour). best days on weekends around midnight. If interested just ask a taxi driver.
B) Riverpalace:
Around 200EUR/hour. Price is difficult to negociate but not time. I got two girls around 180-200 EUR for the whole night (2:00-8:00). Beautiful but with no particular sexual abilities.
C) Semi-pros:
In places like Arena or Patipa.
About 100EUR two hours. After my experience good ratio quality-service-price.
D) Salons:
Quality medium-low. Price about 500-700 UAH/hour.
E) Freebies:
Takes a lot of work and very difficult for non-residents or non russian speakers.
As I always try to be nice and civil (they are girls not just heaps of flesh) and I am not too spoiled I got two of them who did me a particular good service (in fact one finished with me free just for fun).
Conclussions:
1.- Russian remains mandatory, although the number of english-speaking girls have increased.
2.- Euro-Latin type is much in demand (specially middle class Spaniards and Northern Italians).
3.- The crisis have led many young mothers into the trade (girls here tend to marry very young).
4.- Best time for semi-pros in discos is around 3:00AM.
5.- If you are not too good looking or under forty, try directly an agency like GIA, don't play the fool. In Riverpalace I've seen Anericans disgracing their country more than Guantanamo has. This is not Tijuana, boys!
Have fun.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Waryman,
A great report of distinction, many thanks from london, came in very handy for me, prior to my landing in kiev next week.
I concur with the idea of agreeing a total package with a ta xi driver to visit apts, agree on the return fare, price for a girl etc, I woudn't fancy looking for a taxi in some obsecure kiev suburb. In fact this suggestion is valid for many destinatione in ee and central european countries, at least you have a buddy and a guide, in the taxi driver. And I would keep his no for return visits.
Only by reading and rereading the reports on salons in kiev, I figured out that salons are the term or name given for brothels in apartments
Waryman from your insight and experience with kiev, would FS be available in erotic massage places there discreetly? , and if so how much extra would that be?
And what goes on in sauna places any FS?
Robert1110
09-02-09, 20:29
Guys, keep prices down, otherwise we all have to go to Thailand! I know a working girl in kiev who is great at sex, just a perfect sex partner.
Some of these rich guys like her so much, they pay her anywhere from 2 to 5 times what she asks, be it for an hour, a day or a trip somewhere.
Where $100 would do, some of these jerks will give her $500
This does not include the things they buy for her, upon request or not.
I do not care if I was a billionaire, I would not pay more than the agreed upon rate. I would tip reasonably for services rendered.
You rich guys that show off your money by overpaying are ruining some of these woman for the rest of us.
Doctor_Skank
09-02-09, 21:51
Maybe you can explain a little bit more in details excactly what you mean - and maybe even give examples? Your view is interesting!My opinion being subjective, it is just a general impression I have gotten, albeit with a bit of experience.
For example, if you take a girl out for dinner in Moscow and Kiev, the girl in Moscow is just as likely to order just tea and cheescake whereas the girl in Kiev will order expensive shit she barely touches. It's not always that way of course, but it is reflective of general attitudes. And its petty.
By the same token, you sometimes get girls in Ukraine who absolute relish in a meal and you know it is probably the best restaurant meal they have ever had... or maybe will ever have, aside from their wedding day when they'll blow 3 years wages on a 2-year marriage. Lately my Russian girls have prefered staying in and cooking or ordering out. They're bored of restaurants.
So there are constrasts.
Explorer69
09-02-09, 22:10
My opinion being subjective, it is just a general impression I have gotten, albeit with a bit of experience.
For example, if you take a girl out for dinner in Moscow and Kiev, the girl in Moscow is just as likely to order just tea and cheescake whereas the girl in Kiev will order expensive shit she barely touches. It's not always that way of course, but it is reflective of general attitudes. And its petty.
By the same token, you sometimes get girls in Ukraine who absolute relish in a meal and you know it is probably the best restaurant meal they have ever had... or maybe will ever have, aside from their wedding day when they'll blow 3 years wages on a 2-year marriage. Lately my Russian girls have prefered staying in and cooking or ordering out. They're bored of restaurants.
So there are constrasts.I have noticed the same thing, I agree. But that is only one part of it, but yes, Russian girls are more "big city girls".
My experience is also exclusively from Moscow, St petersburg, Kiev and Odessa
Thanks for your sincere report.
I would like to deepen:
- about touchkas, did you see any young and nice ones? Did you find them along (very long) Pobedy Prospect or after that (very far from the centre)?I mentioned the zoo. Easy to find in maps- as a reference. It is on the far side of town. Girls arem usually at the bus stops. If you see one or two girls at a bus stop mor metro entrance at 2:00 am. Gotcha.
If you mean if a have seen 17yo lolypop suckers with goldylocks. The answer is not.
- about prices, never, never, never pay in euros! This is another way to increase prices: from 100 grivnas to 100 dollars and then to 100 euros, that's a difference!I disagree. After the lack of stability with the grivna they prefer a strong currency. And will low the price. You can bet some of these girls should work at a stockbroker's after the ease. And accuracy- of how they make conversions!
- overnight time is traditionally from 10 p.m. to 8 a.m., that means 10 hours. Less than 10 hours is not "night";Well. At 10:00 there are not any girls around.
A tip: if you arrange things too early the girl will try to finish you off as soon as possible and then go back to the place to find another customer. At 2:00 or 3:00 they begin to think the night is not a good one and their attitude is more humble.
- in all "dating" clubs I always ask for a specific service, the swallow deepthroat blowjob; when a girl agrees then I ask for the price; and then, again, in my (not her!) flat I have always to check she makes good sex because it is usual girls try every kind of tricks and cheats not to commit our agreement;As always this is hit and miss. After your comments you prefer rather rough sex. I prefer another approach, which in a 50-70% of cases works well.
- about prices, those prices are very high! Where is the "crisis"??? Here somebody payed 150 euros for a whole day, most men pay 100/200 dollars for an hour, but that rate is similar, sometimes lower sometimes higher, than Western Europe!This is relative. I prefer to pay 100eur for one-two hours with a young commited girl than 150 usd for an old gruntling nag.
What I like of ua girls is the natural semi-pro approach. If they like you or you earn their trust they can be very, very girlfriend like. Believe it or not one girl washed my dishes after the service. ""this is a mess I can't leave you like that""!
I insist. Most. At least my targets. Or the ones that aim at me- are semi-pros with a regular life, if they don't get what they expect, they prefer to go home empty handed. For harcore pros I would rather recommend fkk clubs or south-western europe (I have no experience on turkey or britain for that point), as they are cheaper.
They are having difficult times but. At least kiev- they are not as bad off as it seems: with 300eur you can leave well in the left bank.
Regards
Guys, keep prices down, otherwise we all have to go to Thailand!
My opinion being subjective, it is just a general impression I have gotten, albeit with a bit of experience.
For example, if you take a girl out for dinner in Moscow and Kiev, the girl in Moscow is just as likely to order just tea and cheescake whereas the girl in Kiev will order expensive shit she barely touches. It's not always that way of course, but it is reflective of general attitudes. And its petty.
By the same token, you sometimes get girls in Ukraine who absolute relish in a meal and you know it is probably the best restaurant meal they have ever had... or maybe will ever have, aside from their wedding day when they'll blow 3 years wages on a 2-year marriage. Lately my Russian girls have prefered staying in and cooking or ordering out. They're bored of restaurants.
So there are constrasts.
Doctor, good post even if subjective. In Kiev I have some experiences and really great women and regarding dinner I did not have this experience; however, sometimes after the dinner was only bye bye. Thailand is similar with the girls in a dinner, they order and order and don’t eat all BUT the prices there are cheaper therefore, the damage is not too big, anyway the yellow Asia skin is not my favorite. I really prefer the white skin and blondes from Ukraine; sorry no experiences in Moscow due to the Visa requirements for us Swiss people and the expensive hotels / apartments in Moscow, any change in this topic, easy to get a visa there in the airport? Or apartments in good location for USD 100 per night? I assume the girls prices are more or less like in Ukraine?
Ragingorgynuns
09-03-09, 09:31
I'm planning on going to Kiev for my first time and am looking for help regarding several things.
First off, I am looking at finding a month long apartment rental from about September 7th to October 7th or so. My budget is about 300-450 euros. I'm afraid I'm on a bit of a budget and that the cheaper the place is the more I will be able to get my dick wet. Plus it needs internet so I can look up info on girls. I'm not sure if anyone could help in these regards as I see most of you are spending that much for a week's stay.
Secondly, I am completely new to the P4P game and really just want to get a few fantasies fulfilled so that the grass is not always greener on the other side. I figure I will pay if I can't try and swing some freebies, but there is a lack of game that I need to work on and try to overcome. I figure I will be in Kiev for a month so I have time to get over the learning curve. Lack of Russian is a concern as well. I'm assuming that English will serve me better than French or Spanish though.
Lastly, any tips on using mamba/flirt for picking up freebies?
Doctor_Skank
09-03-09, 14:37
Doctor, good post even if subjective. In Kiev I have some experiences and really great women and regarding dinner I did not have this experience; however, sometimes after the dinner was only bye bye. Thailand is similar with the girls in a dinner, they order and order and don’t eat all BUT the prices there are cheaper therefore, the damage is not too big, anyway the yellow Asia skin is not my favorite. I really prefer the white skin and blondes from Ukraine; sorry no experiences in Moscow due to the Visa requirements for us Swiss people and the expensive hotels / apartments in Moscow, any change in this topic, easy to get a visa there in the airport? Or apartments in good location for USD 100 per night? I assume the girls prices are more or less like in Ukraine?
You can't get a visa at the airport, you must arrive with a visa.
Although apartments have gone down in price recently in Moscow... as have hotels... anything central will still be $150+. There are many agencies though, just google it and check.
Price-wise:
salons/brothels: $100/hour and up
pick-up bars: $250 and up/2-3 hours and up
It's not cheaper than Kiev, but had gotten a bit more affordable in the last year. More of a problem is the fact that the quality at the pick-up bars isn't that great. The salons have a much higher quality for price ratio however if you dont speak Russian, they can be difficult to locate and navigate once there.
St.Petersburg is actually easier in that sense, and slightly cheaper.
CallSign Papa
09-03-09, 16:07
Hey man
Some good reports from you on your recent trip. I'm taking some buddies to Kiev next weekend, wondered which clubs/bars you'd recommend that were fun and had a decent selection of semi-pro's/non p2p's.
Happy mongering all!
I am not at all sure that I understand why there was any question asked about the differences between Russian and Ukrainian girls.
First, along with those in Belarus, they are all one ethnic group and social group. We could include others such as Pole and Czechs, but let's just stick with those in the former USSR. Up until 1991, you would have referred to them as one, as "Soviet" girls and not differentiated any deeper as we do now. It's only been 18 years later and it is a bit too soon to make any assumptions or characterizations about any possible changes in genetics or even the psychological differences amongst the three nationalities.
I have lived in Moscow and Kiev and can safely state that there is no difference with the girls in both places. They mostly approach things the same way, the only difference being just the individual's personality.
A girl in Moscow is not at all different from her counterpart in Kiev or in Minsk. Even provincial girls in Russia and in Ukraine are about the same in their approach to things. There really is a holdover from the culture, mindset and ethos not only from the 80 years under communism but also from the last 1000 years as basically one ethnic group.
I have also had many of the same issues such as not eating a thing at dinner after ordering a huge portion with girls in London and New York. How she behaves at dinner and what her sense of self and self-entitlement is simply a personal issue.
The fact is that it is how YOU relate and respond to that behavior. That is why some guys almost always succeed and others are miserable failures.
The only thing I care about at the end of the day or at the end of dinner is if she will go to bed with me.
So let's just get off this ethnic nonsense and stop with the attempts at stereotyping what simply is individual behavior.
Doctor_Skank
09-03-09, 19:41
I am not at all sure that I understand why there was any question asked about the differences between Russian and Ukrainian girls.
I have lived in Moscow and Kiev and can safely state that there is no difference with the girls in both places. They mostly approach things the same way, the only difference being just the individual's personality.
So let's just get off this ethnic nonsense and stop with the attempts at stereotyping what simply is individual behavior.I said my opinion was subjective and based only on personal experience in a limited demographic "sampling", nonetheless I have experienced that they are different in some ways. Maybe it is as much city girl vs. country girl as Russian vs. Ukrainian, nonetheless there are differences. Moscow girls are different than Kiev girls just as New York girls are different than California girls and as for Odessan girls, they are truly unique... :)
Additionally, there is a culture of scamming the western sex tourist/sexpat that exists in Kiev and Odessa that does not exist in Moscow or St.Petersburg. Westerners live different lives in Ukraine and Russia.
How many westerners have I encountered looking for marriage or purely on a sex tour in Ukraine? Many and seen even more.
How many westerners have I encountered looking for marriage or purely on a sex tour in Russia? Very few and virtually none in Moscow.
The scammers and serial daters are much more prevalent in Ukraine. I avoid these women like the plague, but if you are doing the internet and club circuit you will inevitably meet them.
I'll agree however that despite cultural differences that do exist based on growing up under different conditions, particularly economic but social as well, overall there are more similarities than there are differences. They are both wonderful in their own right.
Doc,
All of our views are subjective, based entirely on our personal experiences!
That being said, since I am not the typical sexpat, my observations are based on being a long-term boots on the ground local warrior who has been located on the Moscow and Kiev fronts. In fact, the typical sexpats I try and avoid at all cost.
I agree that scammers and serial daters are more prevalent in Ukraine since generally the standard of living is lower than in most of Russia transforming some of the girls into what is no better than a thief. However, you can get a sense of that real fast and run in another direction. If you fall for the scam, you deserve the consequences.
However, special mention should be made of Odessa. Even in Soviet times, it continued its long traditional role as the city of scammers, thieves, rapscallions, comedians and most any other dubious venture. Ostap Bender is the literary personification of Odessa. Nothing has changed today and I think and I hope that it may never change.
As for more westerners looking for marriage and/or sex tours in Ukraine than Russia, I would say that the lack of visa for Ukraine and the generally lower local costs has a lot to do with that. The girls are ethnically the same and just as good looking. The process for entering the country and the sometimes ridiculous costs of traveling and staying in Russia and especially Moscow make Ukraine very attractive as the better alternative for this type of tourist.
Doctor_Skank
09-03-09, 21:33
Doc,
All of our views are subjective, based entirely on our personal experiences!
.Yes exactly, and of the same I was asked. Everybody's opinion is subjective, that is the nature of the forum when describing experiences.
That being said, since I am not the typical sexpat, my observations are based on being a long-term boots on the ground local warrior who has been located on the Moscow and Kiev fronts. In fact, the typical sexpats I try and avoid at all cost.I know you are experienced and on the front, it's obvious from your posts, which I respect. I'm not typical either I suppose since I do actually work in EE and most of my contacts here are "normal girls" and not involved in P4P, scams, serial dating and what not... still, obviously anybody reading this forum or posting on it does occassionally delve into the world of sex for $$$ and the sexpat world isn't foreign to me.
If you fall for the scam, you deserve the consequences.
Agreed, and with some common sense scams can be easily avoided. Usually they are shamelessly obvious when one takes his dick out of the factor.
Despite any insinuation that Ukrainian girls are more conniving and sneaky than their Russian sisters, most girls are just girls with honest feelings, emotions, goals and reactions. We shouldn't lose sight of this. Arena, PaTiPa and River Palace are not Ukraine and the girls there are only a "choice" slice of the Ukrainian dyev demograph.
However, special mention should be made of Odessa. Even in Soviet times, it continued its long traditional role as the city of scammers, thieves, rapscallions, comedians and most any other dubious venture. Ostap Bender is the literary personification of Odessa. Nothing has changed today and I think and I hope that it may never change.
I agree. I've always said I have a love-hate relationship with Odessa. It can be heaven, it can be nerve-wracking and soul-crushing. But I've been going there every summer for my Odessa fix for almost a decade.
I guess we'll agree to disagree about the girls having some differences in behavior etc... indeed it's all subjective.
I said my opinion was subjective and based only on personal experience in a limited demographic "sampling", nonetheless I have experienced that they are different in some ways. Maybe it is as much city girl vs. country girl as Russian vs. Ukrainian, nonetheless there are differences. Moscow girls are different than Kiev girls just as New York girls are different than California girls and as for Odessan girls, they are truly unique... :)
Additionally, there is a culture of scamming the western sex tourist/sexpat that exists in Kiev and Odessa that does not exist in Moscow or St.Petersburg. Westerners live different lives in Ukraine and Russia.
How many westerners have I encountered looking for marriage or purely on a sex tour in Ukraine? Many and seen even more.
How many westerners have I encountered looking for marriage or purely on a sex tour in Russia? Very few and virtually none in Moscow.
The scammers and serial daters are much more prevalent in Ukraine. I avoid these women like the plague, but if you are doing the internet and club circuit you will inevitably meet them.
I'll agree however that despite cultural differences that do exist based on growing up under different conditions, particularly economic but social as well, overall there are more similarities than there are differences. They are both wonderful in their own right."Not a typical sexpat"? Right, mate, you've convinced us all: you're not a 'typical' sexpat. You've just been a sexpat longer (maybe) in Slavonia Lands -- that's the only difference.
Waryman,
A great report of distinction, many thanks from london, came in very handy for me, prior to my landing in kiev next week.
I concur with the idea of agreeing a total package with a ta xi driver to visit apts, agree on the return fare, price for a girl etc, I woudn't fancy looking for a taxi in some obsecure kiev suburb. In fact this suggestion is valid for many destinatione in ee and central european countries, at least you have a buddy and a guide, in the taxi driver. And I would keep his no for return visits.
Only by reading and rereading the reports on salons in kiev, I figured out that salons are the term or name given for brothels in apartments "salon" is a term more common in Russia for brothel (generally with a line-up of girls and you choose). Beware that in Kiev "salon Krasi" is a hairdressers'. Note that paid sex is forbidden in most FSU countries and thus not overtly advertised. That is why is wise to count with a taxi driver or local help.
Anyway for straight paid sex, the big EE capitals are not the big deal unles you know them well.
Waryman from your insight and experience with kiev, would FS be available in erotic massage places there discreetly? , and if so how much extra would that be? Never tried seriously. Tourist traps!
And what goes on in sauna places any FS? Sauna is Southern UA. Moldova are in many cases hidden brothels. In Russia not so much, at least the most known ones.
I can recommend the Strip-Club "Tixi Omut" at the Kharkovski-Raion (East Side of Kiev) to anyone who come to this fascinating City.
It is in Revutskogo street, very close to the well-known Restaurant "Xata Ribaka" (House of the fisherman), I was there at Thursday evening, it is a small Club with not more than eight tables for the Clients.
Entrance-fee is 75 Grivna, Drinks around 50 Grivna.
There were around ten nice girls which alternate to dance at the small stage, the Girls also come to your table and are stripping for you, in this case a little Tip is expected, in general there is a relaxed atmosphere.
The girls are friendly and open, but not pushy,most of them speak only russian.
You can also order a "private dance" in a seperate Room (aprox. 10 Minutes) for 200 Grivna, this includes full striptease and a little petting.
There is also a "Private Dance" with "Action" for 500 Grivnas, but I did not try.
In the house is also a Sauna, so it is very likely that you can hire some of the dancers for a private Sauna-Party.
The place is definitely worth a visit !Has anyone tried the private dance with action for 500 grivnas?
Is action FS?
This place sounds ideal for me reasonable prices and inhouse action.
Sauna is Southern UA. Moldova are in many cases hidden brothels. In Russia not so much, at least the most known ones.Many Thanks
You answered all my questions, hope I have a soft landing in Kiev soon.
Doctor_Skank
09-04-09, 15:54
"Not a typical sexpat"? Right, mate, you've convinced us all: you're not a 'typical' sexpat. You've just been a sexpat longer (maybe) in Slavonia Lands -- that's the only difference.None of us are sexpats or sex tourists. Get with the program. :)
Ragingorgynuns
09-04-09, 16:04
None of us are sexpats or sex tourists. Get with the program. :)I think the preferred term is "monger."
Anyhow, I'm kind of new to the whole internet "dating" scene and was wondering if anyone could offer some tips on chatting up the girls on Mamba. Feels weird trying to somehow connect with someone over the net but I figure that is my best chance at freebies.
Maybe this has been mentioned before, but I just realized that if you use the GIA site in Russian, you immediately get a 40% discount (140 USD.- 900 GRV). Maybe they have not updated the prices as the GRV continues to devalue. I do not know. Worth a try.
Geez, I think I prefer sexpat to monger.
Geez, I think I prefer sexpat to monger.My preference is for "Connoisseur!"
AColonizer
09-08-09, 15:52
Which good profiles have you found on Internet? Are there any new prostitute sites?
Which places in Kiev are the best to find cheap and nice prositutes?
Onlysurvivor
09-08-09, 21:34
Hi All,
I'm still looking for this girl, I've heard she also hangs in Odessa and Nikolaev but mostly Kiev. Does anyone have a current number or website for her? She goes by Vlada, Masha, Marina, Nina or ? Her name is Nina.
Thanks in advance,
Onlysurvivor
Hi,
I would like to check this girl out, I believe she has also worked as "Vlada". Do you have an updated number for this girl? The number listed is not working. If anyone has a working number I would be grateful, please PM me.
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TIA,
Onlysur,
vivor
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AColonizer
09-09-09, 10:58
Who can provide any contact information about prostitutes not listed on Internet? Any beautiful prostitutes on streets? or in brothels?
I've been in contact with a couple of ladies on mamba.ru about a travel companion (maybe Cuba or Egypt). I'm going to be visiting Kiev next month and planned on meeting them in person (make sure I know what, and who!! :-), I'm getting into).
Has anyone done this before? What is a reasonable rate? I figure if the girl gets a free vacation with a nice guy that she likes, then $1000/wk is a decent gig for her. Anything more than that I start to think, why not just visit Kiev and spend the $1k, plus the extra vacation costs, on takeout at RP everynight. Or do I even need to pay her? Maybe a free vacation is enough?
Explorer69
09-10-09, 23:28
I've been in contact with a couple of ladies on mamba.ru about a travel companion (maybe Cuba or Egypt). I'm going to be visiting Kiev next month and planned on meeting them in person (make sure I know what, and who!! :-), I'm getting into).
Has anyone done this before? What is a reasonable rate? I figure if the girl gets a free vacation with a nice guy that she likes, then $1000/wk is a decent gig for her. Anything more than that I start to think, why not just visit Kiev and spend the $1k, plus the extra vacation costs, on takeout at RP everynight. Or do I even need to pay her? Maybe a free vacation is enough?Travel companion I have never tried, but from what I know the cost of the holiday itself is enough, you don't have to give her any money cash. But she expects that you take her to restaurants, pay her drinks, etc. so that everything is free for her. And she would expect some shopping as well on your expense. So all this may quickly add up to USD 1000 extra. How much fun you get will greatly depend on how you "click", therefore to have a meeting in Kiev before and preferably also a test ride is an excellent idea! If not you may risk up sharing the hotel room with somebody and there is mutual hatred:)
Fiji don't have direct experiance with that program but have russian friends who do it often.
Destination: Cuba will cost you more so choose either Egypt or Turkey.
Also Thailand is popular - no visa for russian citizens if staying up to 15 days.
There's better place than mamba, a special site for "sex holiday companions" but forgot the which is it.
You don't need to pay her for her time. You pay for transport costs and accommodation, food and drink. But there will be some who wants you to pay for this plus her time. At the hotel you can stay in the same room or separate rooms. If separate rooms stay in the same hotel and same floor. Most Russians take the open versions. Spend everyday together, then after 3-4-5 days you can say the girl you will see he only in the evening (for sex) and she's free during the day. This will require to give her some pocket money per day like 50-100$ or more depending what you agree. This way you can meet some other girls and bring them to your room (good side of separate room). But it will also mean she can meet some other guy and spread her legs for him in her separate room. The best is to agree about everything in advance so no problem later. If you don't speak russian it can be problematic.
Most Russians do it like this. Take the girl to holiday, take her separate room on HER name, pay the room day by day. If there's no chemistry it's easy to dump her. Also if she banged some local Turk or Arab many Russians use this as good reason to dump the girl.
For you can be much better option to spend that money in Kiev and go to Turkey or Egypt on your own since most probably you can meet Kiev girls right there if they are alone. But it looks they rarely are.
Hi,
I have been travelling along the trans Siberian railway route and am finishing the trip in Kiev.
I am hoping to finishing the trip on a high by a visit to River Palace. Can someone advise the best time to arrive to pick up girls, not wanting to turn up to early.
Cheers,
Coogee
Hi,
I have been travelling along the trans Siberian railway route and am finishing the trip in Kiev.
I am hoping to finishing the trip on a high by a visit to River Palace. Can someone advise the best time to arrive to pick up girls, not wanting to turn up to early.
Cheers,
Coogee And even at that it maybe a bit early. Having said that, I showed up up one night at 23:00 and the disco was dead so I tried the sports bar downstairs and the place was full of talent. Go figure
Thanks for the detailed reply Kurenda!
Tradewinds
09-13-09, 10:19
I have become a regular visitor to Kiev, going once every 3 months but as yet I have yet to seen any streetwalkers. My contacts thus far have been via Russianeuro, most want love and long term commitment but I manager to deal with that issue. I have stayed at hotel Lybid and there was some action in the bar, normally 2 or 3 each night, the hotel President I met some in the lobby however there is a lapdancing club downstairs with plenty of meat. Hotel Opera is expensive and no action in the bar or lobby. The Hyatt also seemed very quite.
Kiev being the city of plenty must have streetwalkers somewhere, so any info? I love picking up streetwalkers, I have had some very good experiences worldwide at very good rates, I know... there are some horror stories of junkies but I avoid those.
Trade
The Hyatt and Opera - that's the hotel in Podil, right? Don't allow girls to solicit on their properties. However neither has a problem with the deal being closed there.
For streetwalkers search the forum.
Hi,
I am wondering if one of russian language experts on the site could convert the following messages into russian (of course written in English?).
I just started learning a bit of russian, this would help me when I am in Kiev.
Thanks in advance.
1. Would like to join me for a dinner?
2. Could you come to my apartment?
3. How much do you charge per night?
4. How much do you charge per day?
5. How do you say (100, 200, 300, 400, 500 etc.)
6. Do you do oral without condom?
7. My apartment address is ...
8. My phone number is ...
9. What is your address / phone number?
10. What is your name?
11. Can we go to a restaurant?
12. You are beautiful
13. When will you come to my apartment?
14. I will wait for you
15. Speak slowlyMan use always these words
Privet =Hi pronounces privyet
Kak ti? How are you
She will say normalna= good, horosho=good dobre=good
She will say also a ti kak? And how are you? You answer same if you wanna say bad=ploha pronounces plokha
Money= denge
How much=skolka
How much do you want from me? Skolka ti hotit z miney
Your free? Ti svobodna
Busy? Zanyata
Wait=jdu
I wait you down = ya jdu tebya znivu
What do you want to drink= shto ti hotit pit, hotit is pronounced khosish
Member #4491
09-13-09, 23:47
Hello folks!
Have been reading the Ukraine treads back and forth and can't seem to make any sense on how to approach my 3 day visit in December. Still have no definitive plan for finding punani.
Did read this one for example but still have some questions.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=885319#post885319
Found some girl on Flirt.com.ua, but they all seems like time consuming projects, or extreme wild cards at best. The ring on my finger rules out most of the girls in such sites.
Also noticed the escort sites that flourish here, and they too seem to be wild cards at times. Lets say you seniors need to pick one site/source. Which one would this be?
My readings here points towards http://www.gia.com.ua/ or http://www.top-models.com.ua/ being the most reliable. As long as one does the “real photo, search for her number”-routine as described by Poisson1.
Other sites I found here are:
http://www.realsex.com.ua/
http://www.vodkaescort.com/ (Odessa based)
http://www.vip-kiev.com/
http://www.vip-models.com.ua
Discretion is a must for me so places like River Palace or hotel lobby's are pretty much out of the picture. Best would be just to sneak of somewhere and if possible select a beauty from a line of girls, and just do the deed there and then. Or just a visit to a safe massage place or apartment.
I do expect one evening free from my company, so to have one recommended and known girl to call would be fantastic. I'm financially very secure, in my mid 30s and look decent, so no need to PM me the numbers of old and washed out smoking train wrecks. :-)
In all honesty I am always generous with information about the areas and girls/phone numbers I know anything about, and will always hook up any decent fellow monger that runs in to me on ”my turf”. My hopes are that what goes around comes around, and I will get a couple of good and uncommon advices on Kiev. Have a few trips planned for Ukraine coming months but it all depends on the “level of fun”, so a failure to hook up with a girl I can see regularly in Kiev would be depressing. 100-150 Euro for 1-2 hours might be overpaying but I'll gladly for that up for a cute young girl with a good and friendly attitude. I did however notice that the price range seem to start at ~30-40 Euro for a provincial hour of sign language.
As you guessed, my Russian sucks. But normally I can communicate with a girl anyway as long as she knows what we are on the bed for.
Most appreciative for any help with numbers or places to visit.
All the best from Barba
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1. Would like to join me for a dinner? - Ty hochesh' pouzhinat' so mnoj?
2. Could you come to my apartment? - Ty mozhesh' pridti v moju kvartiru?
3. How much do you charge per night? - Skol'ko ty beresh' za noch'? or Skol'ko budet stoit noch' s toboj?
4. How much do you charge per day? - Skol'ko ty beresh' za den'? or Skol'ko budet stoit' celyj den'?
5. How do you say (100, 200, 300, 400, 500 etc.) - Sto, dvesti, trista, chetyresta, pyat'sot
6. Do you do oral without condom? - Ty delaesh' minet bez prezervativa?
7. My apartment address is ... - Moj adres
8. My phone number is ... - Moj nomer telefona
9. What is your address / phone number? - Kakoj tvoj adres, kakoj tvoj nomer telefona?
10. What is your name? - Kak tebja zovut?
11. Can we go to a restaurant? - My mozhem pojti v restoran?
12. You are beautiful - Ty krasivaja or Ty prekrasno vyglyadish'
13. When will you come to my apartment? - Kogda ty pojdesh' v moju kvartiru?
14. I will wait for you - Ja budu tebja zhdat'
15. Speak slowly - Govori medleno
Hi,
I have been travelling along the trans Siberian railway route and am finishing the trip in Kiev.
I am hoping to finishing the trip on a high by a visit to River Palace. Can someone advise the best time to arrive to pick up girls, not wanting to turn up to early.
Cheers,
CoogeeMidnight would be the best time. If the night club is not busy yet, you can go downstairs to the sports bar. There are many girls there as well. If you're in a hurry and want to save time, you can arrive there at 1 a.m. The place would be packed with all types of girls and you can choose the one you want.
Hello folks!
Have been reading the Ukraine treads back and forth and can't seem to make any sense on how to approach my 3 day visit in December. Still have no definitive plan for finding punani.
Did read this one for example but still have some questions.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=885319#post885319
Found some girl on Flirt.com. Ua, but they all seems like time consuming projects, or extreme wild cards at best. The ring on my finger rules out most of the girls in such sites.
Also noticed the escort sites that flourish here, and they too seem to be wild cards at times. Lets say you seniors need to pick one site/source. Which one would this be? My readings here points towards http://www.gia.com. Ua/ or http://www.top-models.com. Ua/ being the most reliable. As long as one does the "real photo, search for her number"-routine as described by Poisson1.
Other sites I found here are: http://www.realsex.com. Ua/ http://www.vodkaescort.com/ (Odessa based) http://www.vip-kiev.com/ http://www.vip-models.com. Ua
Discretion is a must for me so places like River Palace or hotel lobby's are pretty much out of the picture. Best would be just to sneak of somewhere and if possible select a beauty from a line of girls, and just do the deed there and then. Or just a visit to a safe massage place or apartment.
I do expect one evening free from my company, so to have one recommended and known girl to call would be fantastic. I'm financially very secure, in my mid 30s and look decent, so no need to PM me the numbers of old and washed out smoking train wrecks.
In all honesty I am always generous with information about the areas and girls/phone numbers I know anything about, and will always hook up any decent fellow monger that runs in to me on "my turf". My hopes are that what goes around comes around, and I will get a couple of good and uncommon advices on Kiev. Have a few trips planned for Ukraine coming months but it all depends on the "level of fun", so a failure to hook up with a girl I can see regularly in Kiev would be depressing. 100-150 Euro for 1-2 hours might be overpaying but I'll gladly for that up for a cute young girl with a good and friendly attitude. I did however notice that the price range seem to start at 30-40 Euro for a provincial hour of sign language.
As you guessed, my Russian sucks. But normally I can communicate with a girl anyway as long as she knows what we are on the bed for.
Most appreciative for any help with numbers or places to visit.
All the best from Barba
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I am personnaly focusing only on top-models and mamba. Ru and was quite successful in the last months. I have my personal approach and it seems to work for me.
1. Always invite the girls to my apartment (I do not take hotel rooms)
2. Always book them for 2 hours at least (more interesting/motivating for them)
3. When receiving them always offer something to drink and to eat (they appreciate you taking care of them).
4. Start with mamba. Ru at 6.00pm-7.00pm: best hunting time according to my experience.
5. On mamba. Ru always keep several options in parallel and decide then quickly. I found many english speaking students or semi-pros. I recently got a 21y old brunette student, 1m80 tall with a great body and great "skills".
6. If by 9.00pm you did not find anything on mamba, switch to top-models.
7. On top-models always check the "real photo", and the number. You can also use the sort by "date" (gives you most recent entries).
I can give you links to 2 I tested personnaly and got great experience. My Russian is close to 0 by the way.
- Lena: http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=2213
- Ksusha: http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=2412
Good luck
Member #4491
09-15-09, 19:30
Poisson1, thank you!
Really good approach. I always feel best when I have a plan.
Do you only go for the pink ones, and the ones that are pink but will not fully admit it to themselves?
Did you buy a membership to gain access to the advanced search?
Regards,
Barba
Onlysurvivor
09-16-09, 17:08
Poison1,
DO you have a number that works for the "Masha" girl from Top Model? Her phone is not working.
TIA
Onlysurvivor
Crazy Fool
09-16-09, 22:03
Dears
This is my first trip to Kiev, and I have probably read every post from Jan 2009 till now, and gathered some info that I would like to share with all
I also have a few questions for the more experienced guys
I am staying for a few nights, and you best options are call girls from escort sites, or a visit to River Palace.
Throughout the posts, their seems to be a good recommendation on certain ladies from GIA, and they are: Alisa http://www.gia.com.ua/girl/alisa2 , Karina http://www.gia.com.ua/girl/karina and Polina http://www.gia.com.ua/girl/polina2
Also a search through top models with real photos options seems like a good choice
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?st=1&fr=1
You are recommended to book a few hours in advance, as some of the ladies might be booked.
Other possibilities are River Palace and Arena (near TGIF), you can go there, make eye contact, ask a lady for a drink, and go straight into price negotiations
Now, my questions:
1) I am staying at the RadissonBlu Hotel, does anybody know if it is Girl Friendly?
2) Would you recommend a certain girl for me (from a site, other than the above), someone with a good attitude
Thanks
Poisson1, thank you!
Really good approach. I always feel best when I have a plan.
Do you only go for the pink ones, and the ones that are pink but will not fully admit it to themselves?
Did you buy a membership to gain access to the advanced search?
Regards,
BarbaI do not have a membership, it's not necessary to find a girl.
I avoid the pink ones, usually agencies are behind.
Poison1,
DO you have a number that works for the "Masha" girl from Top Model? Her phone is not working.
TIA
OnlysurvivorNo I don't. I lost her track.
AColonizer
09-20-09, 13:54
Probably you can waste thousands dollars for sex, but GIA rates are sadly crazily expensive for Ukraine.
Read what masters wrote here before to inflate prices in Kiev!
You will see hundreds nice women in Kiev before to try GIA and River Palace and Patipa and all prices for silly toursits.
About the present GIA rates, now I read all women do uncovered oral sex and someone does anal sex: that is very different from two years, when they did much less for double price. Also that is interesting the service "swallow cum": this is another trick to negotiate higher prices.
The truth is all prostitutes in Ukraine are used to do everything without condom, and basic service includes swallow blowjob and anal sex. And 350 dollars for a 10 hours overnight (mouth, pussy, ass) is reasonable for both even if 350 dollars is still crazily expensive for Ukraine.
I read and I have got some contacts from 60 to 200 dollars per day, but I am looking for model beaty women only.
Anyway the first rule is: never believe any words from a woman because that is an incredible Hollywood award acting.
Dears
This is my first trip to Kiev, and I have probably read every post from Jan 2009 till now, and gathered some info that I would like to share with all
I also have a few questions for the more experienced guys
I am staying for a few nights, and you best options are call girls from escort sites, or a visit to River Palace.
Throughout the posts, their seems to be a good recommendation on certain ladies from GIA, and they are: Alisa http://www.gia.com.ua/girl/alisa2 , Karina http://www.gia.com.ua/girl/karina and Polina http://www.gia.com.ua/girl/polina2
Also a search through top models with real photos options seems like a good choice
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?st=1&fr=1
You are recommended to book a few hours in advance, as some of the ladies might be booked.
Other possibilities are River Palace and Arena (near TGIF), you can go there, make eye contact, ask a lady for a drink, and go straight into price negotiations
Now, my questions:
1) I am staying at the RadissonBlu Hotel, does anybody know if it is Girl Friendly?
2) Would you recommend a certain girl for me (from a site, other than the above), someone with a good attitude
Thanks
AColonizer
09-20-09, 16:13
I am updating about "top-models" and "minuet" sites and it seems one hour vaginal sex, sometimes anal too, is about 400/500 grivnas.
Of course, 99% pictures are fake, therefore it is necessary to try several (probably a lot of) times before to find the best girls for us.
We need to explain our needs to the "phone receptionist". If the "phone receptionist" sends ugly or old or tricky girls, we don't pay any "taxi fare", and send them away immediately, and we phone for further girls again and again.
Maybe it will be necessary more than one SIM cards because "phone receptionist" remembers "hard customers" or better customers who don't like to be cheated.
Enjoy Ukraine!
Probably you can waste thousands dollars for sex, but GIA rates are sadly crazily expensive for Ukraine.
Read what masters wrote here before to inflate prices in Kiev!
You will see hundreds nice women in Kiev before to try GIA and River Palace and Patipa and all prices for silly toursits.
About the present GIA rates, now I read all women do uncovered oral sex and someone does anal sex: that is very different from two years, when they did much less for double price. Also that is interesting the service "swallow cum": this is another trick to negotiate higher prices.
The truth is all prostitutes in Ukraine are used to do everything without condom, and basic service includes swallow blowjob and anal sex. And 350 dollars for a 10 hours overnight (mouth, pussy, ass) is reasonable for both even if 350 dollars is still crazily expensive for Ukraine.
I read and I have got some contacts from 60 to 200 dollars per day, but I am looking for model beaty women only.
Anyway the first rule is: never believe any words from a woman because that is an incredible Hollywood award acting.I forgot about gia one year ago, after they send to me two times along three unreal girls! So why pay more than on x-love.kiev.ua or top-models.com.ua ? Uctually i unrecomend you to use And guys could you tell me about photoshop on gia's photos? I think usually difference between gia's photos and real girls is more than 80%.
The Hyatt and Opera - that's the hotel in Podil, right? Don't allow girls to solicit on their properties. However neither has a problem with the deal being closed there.
For streetwalkers search the forum. well cruiser thats really useful, cant you help him with a bit more info? your the top guy here right?
AColonizer
09-22-09, 16:48
Yes, that's right. It should be wonderful if each reader here suggests just ONE new and nice and piggy girl, with pictures, services, prices and contact information. Unfortunately, men are less smart than prostitutes.
P.S. I have already suggested someone in the past.
I forgot about gia one year ago, after they send to me two times along three unreal girls! So why pay more than on x-love.kiev.ua or top-models.com.ua ? Uctually i unrecomend you to use And guys could you tell me about photoshop on gia's photos? I think usually difference between gia's photos and real girls is more than 80%.
HunterDave
09-23-09, 05:21
Day 1 Kiev June Trip (Part I)
This was my first time to Kiev. I travel to Europe a lot for business and decided to add a few days of R&R. I went based on a recommendation of a friend of mine who said he had a good time there in 2008.
I did some research on several websites (sexzona; escort-models, etc.-just googled "Kiev escorts" and came up with pages). I did my research on escorts and massage parlors.
Tried several online apartment websites but to confirm all needed credit cards and for some reason my card was not accepted. Finally found one that would take my card. Added the roundtrip airport transfer also.
Pick up by driver was perfect and he took me to my apartment on Khreshatik St. Cost for the apartment and June was $79/night. This turned out to be an excellent location and easy walking to most places in the city center. My driver recommended waiting to convert my dollars to grivna rather than at the airport but downtown on Khreshatik where the exchange rate would be better. Very good advice.
My research led me to escort-models. Ua and called looking for a blonde named Mila but was told she was out of town visiting family, but that a friend of hers was available and she was relatively new to the business. Her name was Olya, a 20 year old blue-eyed light brunette. Attached is her pic below. She was the girl in the picture but her hair was shorter. She did not speak much English and was a bit nervous, wanted to smoke a cigarette and I gave her a glass of wine. She had a great body and was a good kisser, DFK, fair CBJ, and really enjoyed cowgirl and doggie. She was not a real moaner, but loved missionary and loved having her ankles around my ears. All in all a good first meeting in Kiev., not bad for 800 grivna including taxi home fare. On my drivers recommendation, I went and sat at the Double Coffee café on Khreshatik to view the many lovely women as they went about their business. Those I talked with were very friendly. I do not speak any Russian, but many of the women wanted to practice their English. Wish I had read this forum about the unlocked phone and sim card, my use of my iphone was pure asinine on my part, but I did have a phone in the apartment and used it as much as possible. Next time I will get a local sim card-huge lesson learned-used up some of my next trips mongering money-damnit!
After dinner again on my drivers advice, I went to Avalon. He said it was Wednesday and Ladies' Night. While I was there he even would take my texts and would order me a taxi with negotiated rates. No matter where I went in Kiev, most I paid was 35 grivna for a cab (except for RP). Best I could do when I flagged one down was 40-50 grivna. Avalon was hopping with lots of action and women in the 6-7 to 9 range. They love to dance and were willing to talk to me. I played it slow checking out the place and finally found a petite blonde about 5' 3" who wanted to and actually begged to go home with me. I played it coy since she wanted $300. After much negotiation, I started at $100, we agreed to $125 for the rest of the night, since it was already pushing 3:30. Taxi ride back is a racket, but did have her negotiate it to 100 grivna, but with a blonde hottie on your arm and the beer making you feel euphoric you just go for it. She was a real cutie with B cups but and nice rack and very tight. She was a good kisser and loved riding cowgirl (2 in a row). She really was into doggie and what I call modified doggie where I press her down to the mattress, slide her legs inside my legs and ride her with my body pressed up against hers. She really went nuts when I did that. It appears all Ukrainian women like to suck. But prefer CBJ, in the future I will press for BBBJ. She went nuts in missionary when I tried a few different tricks on her and then she went real wild when I ended with her ankles around my ears. She was petite but a real dynamo. She had to leave early to go home to change for work but not before another good session. Not bad in town less than 24 hours and enjoyed the company of 2 women. In both cases I asked to take a few photos, but neither would let me. Now that I have joined this forum, I now know that I need to press for pictures a lot more. A rookie mistake. But I did have a camera with video capability and later did get some great video of several others. But enough of that for now.
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HunterDave
09-23-09, 12:13
Went back to Double Coffee and checked out the many lovely women passing by. Had my camera and many smiled for me and let me take their pictures. Bought that new Nikon advertised by Ashton Kucher for scoping and clicking on women. Called several sites, still no Mila back from her home town, so decided to try Angelina. My second selection from top-models and again the girl in the photo showed up. Guess I was pretty lucky having read other mongers experiences on this forum. She was very slender, B cups, had a great smile and lovely blue eyes. After coming in and getting acquainted, we proceeded to get cozy with her letting me undress her, she loved DFK, and loved being licked all over. After the requisite shower we had a great romp time in the bed. She was the best of my first three since she was a real moaner. She had those bedroom eyes and truly believed in giving the true GFE experience. Thank goodness the apartment had an AC in the room because things got so hot we were dripping on the sheets from pure heat. I think I liked her as one of the best because she was a real screamer, really go into the sex and the pleasing and pretty much wanted to drain me of my bodily fluids. I just love it when you get a women moaning and losing it bed and screaming "DA, DA DA" over and over. After I finally came in missionary with her ankles wrapped around my ears, and I rolled over to catch my breath and cool off near the AC, she pounced back on me and proceeded to work my dick hard for round two. I told her I was older than her and needed a few minutes plus to cool down but since her English was poor she proceeded to get me hard in few minutes. Round two was just as good as round one but took quite a bit longer for me to come. By now I was spent and the sheets were drenched. While I lay there she went and brought a coke she had brought with her and we shared it. We took a shower together and she cleaned me up as I stood there and touched her body. She was very sensual and careful with the exhausted twins. She did let me take a few pictures of her which I will post in the photo gallery as soon as I can figure how to resize. Cost was 800 grivna, (including taxi), but well worth the money. Got her number personal cell but did not call her back since I wanted to sample as much as I could for the four plus day visit. Kept this promise thru the trip, deviating only once. This was my first time to try out the video on the camera, damn thing only records for 25 minutes, but the first 25 minutes truly capture the moments. Still trying to figure how to extend it for the full session but still have some memories..
Angelina
http://www.top-models.com. Ua/? Id=2435
After resting about an hour, I was ready for a massage. I did some research (apartment had wi-fi) and found a massage parlor near the apartment. In fact it was only a block away, Rakuna Massage parlor (you enter thru a courtyard.)
Rakuena Salon044-568-29-471100-01006B Liuterans'ka Street, Apt 40 (entry by yard)
063-568-29-47 rakuenaatukr.net
I called to see what girls were available, the blonde I wanted worked in their second salon up the road, but learned real quick, that street names are either in Cyrillic or nonexistent. My second choice was scheduled to be in so I made an appointment. I arrived and decided to get the works or combo of several different massages. I think for a 90 minute session (I think 500-600 grivna). They advertise no intercourse but you will get about everything else up to that. They sit you down, and parade all the girls in front of you and you get to take your pick. There was one tall gorgeous (about 6' tall) brunette which I almost selected but in the end was not the one I had been looking for. She was a light haired brunette with beautiful blue eyes and a gorgeous face (easily a 8 or 9 in any book). She escorted me to the massage room had be get naked and took me to the shower to clean up before the massage. She initially wore a small robe, but when we went back the room she disrobed and just had a thong on. The massage (combo) was excellent, just what I needed. After working over your entire body which was fantastic she moved to the massage where she is fully naked and puts lotion all over your body and she then proceeds to rub herself all over your body, very sensual. Now although I had just come a few hours earlier got my rocks off twice, this girl moves had me at attention in short order. She was an excellent masseuse but her body was perfect, zero body fat, nice C cups to touch and suck on, and beautiful shaved pussy which she let me play with, but at intercourse this is where she stopped me. She did a great job massaging the family jewels and delicately and gave an excellent hand job. She had to work very hard to finally get me to come since I had had a full day already, but her sheer determination finally got the best of me. I tried to get her number and to have her meet me outside her job, but they must be pretty hard on any women that try to work their own action. I did give her my number but she did not call. Probably out of fear or repercussions from management. She was a stunning beauty, with an outstanding body, just wish she would have let me take her home and see how much she loved sex. Only in my dreams. I would highly recommend her to any monger. I will see her again my next trip. The massage was outstanding and as adverstised got what they promoted. To be that close to her pussy and that body but knowing it is not going to be completely yours is quite a turn-on but a bit devastating at the same time. A great first Kiev massage.
That night I had plans to visit the infamous RP but not till after midnight. I was up for another round of strange, and since it was mid-evening and since I was 2 for2 with top-models, decided to try my luck again. This time I selected another blonde (see where this is going-seem to have an affinity for blondes). She was a bit late but no problem finding the apartment. Some of the girls wanted to be brought up to the room, others just went right by the old woman guarding the front door and showed up at the front door. Why are Ukrainian apartments numberd so weird. I was staying in #59 but to get there had to push floor number 6 on the elevator. Go figure. Mind boggling. This girl had a nice tight little body, natural Bs, (what is is about Ukrainian women and their breasts, most I had, had very small breasts. Not that I minded, because there was clearly more than a mouthful on all of them but.. What is it-Chernobyl fallout for all future generations? ) With her nice little body it was very easy to get hard. She loved sex, but her real joy was sucking my dick for quite awhile. After she had me rock hard I moved her into cowgirl since I was still a bit tired and thought since I was paying I'd make her do most of the work. This one did not mind and while I reciprocated with doggie and modified doggie, would quickly return her on top. She was a great rider and clearly could have lasted quite awhile as a real bull rider. Wasn't sure if I could get my nuts off again after a good day, but managed to get my second wind and come with her legs pinned up around my ears and screaming. Thanks goodness for the AC and the cement walls to muffle the screams. All in all a very good session and we finished in the shower with me having her give me a complete soapy bath and shower and hosing me down gently cleaning the jewels in appreciation. A great session to kill my time before RP. Had planned to go to RP by midnight but since she was late arriving and our session went very long it was pushing 1 AM. While she ordered her cab, I texted my driver to call me a cab for RP. She wanted to stay longer and I told her I was very tired and escorted her out but her damn cab was late getting there. Her taxi finally came and mine showed up right behind her. She thought I was going to bed and I was ready for my next mongering session.
Cab fare negotiated by my driver was 31 grivna gave him 35. RP is one hell of a place. Got to RP about 1 AM. Music is loud, lots of smoke but a mongerer's veritable meat market. There were so many women looking to make some money. They ranged from as low as 5s but majority were 7- with a few 9s.
Since I had been with several girls throughout the day, I was there to size up the place and what was there to be had. I think I was much more relaxed having had so much earlier that I proceeded to stand near the bar and observe the happenings. It is quite a site and to marvel at. While sipping a local beer for a few bucks (about $3), I scoped the girls out and it was a great feeling of euphoria, having the women try to catch your eye, and wink at me. I am in my fifty's but in good shape, have had a good life in picking up women and have had my share before my mongering days, but being there among the many men and being laid back and checking out the tang in the room. It was reverse everything we are used to when we enter and drink at a bar in the US. Instead of being the hunter you were in a reverse roll kind of being the hunted. I know why most women enjoy to be hunted. By being a bit aloof and just talking with many of the women as they came up and talked to me I was the hunted. Very empowering! I turned down many an offer. Most start at $300 but quickly dropped to $200 when I told them I was not interested in paying that amount. I had numerous offers, but just wanted to check out the scene since it was my first time there. I did get several three some offers from some fine looking women, all were willing to leave for $300 a nice deal but they were not quite my type. Two different sets even came down to $200 for a few hours, but in the end I passed. Might have been nuts but I saw this one blonde, very tall, about 5' 8", her name was Svetlana, a woman with those high cheek bones who stood out in the crowd. While she talked with many men, she stood there waiting to be approached.. But I still stayed back to observe. Finally when I had about three women in close to me wanting me to take them to my apartment, she was close enough for me to say Hi and to ask why she has not stepped into save me. She laughed and said you seem to be doing ok for yourself.. She asked why I had not accepted any of the the women's advances and I told her that I was waiting for a special girl. She had a nice smile and was very laid back and interesting.. We small talked, listening to the music. I asked why she was not "working the room hard", but when you look like that, everything probably works out for her anyways. We talked about business, politics, etc. She was easily a 9+. She had a very nice smile and a great laugh. Said she was 32, but was easily one of 5 best in RP that night. The kind of women you see as a model. Finally asked her what her fees were and she said for me $200. I told her that that was way too much for me and that I was used to paying about $100. She stepped back and said that it was for the rest of the night till 7 or 8 AM. Since I knew she was interested since she countered at $175 and I said look I like you so I would go at $150 but till 8 AM. She said "Da" and we left. Now as I have read here in the forum the taxi return from RP is a ripoff.. They seem to have a inside deal working and not knowing the deal, had to cough up 150 grivna, but with this blonde hottie on your arm, the 150 just had to be paid to get her to my place. Interesting when we got to the apartment she did not press for the money, in fact I paid her when she left in the morning. We had a small glass of wine, and had a great GFE experience. She had a great body, loved to please, excellent CBJ, DFK, and was a real moaner and screamer. Having had several the day earlier, I was rock hard and it took quite awhile to finally come which seemed to please her to no end. She liked it slow and hard, she had several orgasms and kept it up for more. This kind of women only makes me perform that much better. Finally ended the first session with her ankles up around my ears and her going nuts. Spent, we just lay there and cuddled and talked. Did not sleep any with her. How often do you get to nail a blonde hottie who appreciated you as much as you did her. After some long conversation I went for Part II and it was just as good. I love a moaner and a women that appreciates all that you do for her. This one was well worth the money and one to highly consider for a repeat performance. Again not having seen this forum before my trip I did not take any photos of her but did get a great video for my personal library. After she left at 8 AM I crashed till noon. All in all two great first days in Kiev.
Will try and post the other days later.
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Having lurked for some time on this forum. And having asked a lot of questions, to which I got a lot of tips and info. Now is the the time to put back into the forum my notes on my trip to Kiev. SEPT 09.
Getting Started from London.
Read all there is to be read on Ukraine and Kiev. Did the research on prices, for girls. Apartments, hotels, clubs, massage. And went on to register with www.flirt.com. Ua and got the phone nos of girls, and did correspond with some, and ended with a short list of about 10 potential fuck buddies with a friendly attitude for my Kiev trip.
Getting There from London.
Living in the mother of all European cities, with due respect to all the other ones. One gets the pick of air fares to various corners of Europe.
Being a cheapskate when it come to flying, I got hold of a cheap fare on a budget airline, which started flying from London Layton airport to Kiev Parasol Airport, for the grand sum of £105 return. With priority boarding included. www.wizzair.com
Landing In Kiev
After a smooth 3 hour flight, I arrive on a beautiful sunny day at Kiev airport, and thank god UK citizens do not visas, otherwise that would have put me off.
After clearing customs I head straight to the Kiev Star shop on the left hand side, and the very helpful girl loads my phone with the sim card and air time. THE Total comes to 50 grivnas.
Then I change some some money at the exchange counter about 13 ah to the £ or 8.40 to the $.
Then the fun starts with all the taxi touts there, and I manage to negotiate a fare of 180 UAH to my Kiev hotel. They were all quoting 200UAH. Once in the car my driver Alix (why all Kiev drivers are called Alix? )
Starts chatting away with some basic English, and I get him to phone some of the girls on my list from flirt.com.
The first girl on my list with a porn star look by the screen name of Love20, is out till 11pm according to the woman who answered the phone.
Accommodation in Kiev.
Having had a bad experience with renting an apartment in Kaunas Lithuania. I went against the conventional wisdom, and booked a room direct with Restock Hotel right on Kreschatik St and next to Buddha Bar.
Very glad I made this choice. Very friendly helpful staff, 24 hour bar on the ground floor, and a great location, and you have buffet breakfast till 11am.
The room and bathroom were very clean and renovated with sat TV.
There is a restaurant on the lower ground floor.
11pm my mongering starts with a phone call to LOVE 20 from flirt.com ua
The girl, who speaks excellent English turns up at the hotel, having told her to meet me at the bar, so I could check her first, to make sure she is for real, and sure enough she did match her photos.
Now the mood changes, having quoted a price of 500 UAH per hour, as per our emails back and forth, she is now quoting the magic figure of $300 for all night, and she said she could stay till 5am. MY answer not interested in spending all night with her, and there e is no way I would spend more money in Kiev than. What I normally pay for in London.
SHE leaves after telling me she is not a common prostitute, and not being a common prostitute. She doesn't ask me for a taxi fare, not that I would have given her any, for wasting my time.
Getting Around In Kiev.
Having failed on my first encounter, I had my mind set on River Palace so checked with some of the sharks lurking outside the hotel and next to Budda Bar in the guise of taxi drivers they all wanted 100 Grevnas to take me there, when after reading all the posts here and elsewhere I knew the fare should be max 30 UAH.
WENT back to my hotel and asked reception for a taxi co and they recommended BOCC Taxi, and they do a pre quote for you and you just pay the driver on arrival
Taxi turns up on time a friendly driver no English, and I get his phone no for the return trip back to my hotel, having read the taxi mafia outside charging between 100 to 150 for a short ride.
MY trip from Kreschatik Hotel to rp coasted me as per the pre quote 25UAH. So I gave him 30 and he was very happy.
River Palace. Went inside, and I was overwhelmed by the all the candy on display and all the beauty trying to catch my eye and chatting me up.
BEFORE I left London I was determined not to pay $300 no matter how beautiful the girl is, but I have to say the temptation was great, but I stuck to my wallet.
MY approach in River Palace was to take my time and not appear too keen, and soon prices were dropping to $200, and even had a pair offering themselves for $250 for a couple of hours.
I was nice and polite but firm, and talked them into giving me their phone nos for day encounters on the pretext, that I do not like night time sessions.
MY reasoning is girls will then charge a lot less, and secondly I only like short time sessions max 2 hours.
I have to mention there was a really smoking hot girl of about 20, and she was easily the best looking girl there, and wait for it her price ($400) AT about 4 am having got few nos went outside to be accosted by the taxi drivers outside who all wanted 100 UAH for the 25 UAH return trip to my hotel. Phoned Bock Taxi and got their car back to my hotel for 30 including 5 UAH tip.
Next day booked a taxi from my hotel again from Bocc for a bit of a culture, and I got a pre quote for being taken to st Sophia cathedral and the caves in larva and other sites, the quote for the journey was 143 UAH plus 33 UAH waiting time. The charging for waiting was.50 copeck per minute.
So the total was 176 for nearly 3and a half hours driving and waiting.
Gave the driver 200 UAH and he was very happy. This worked out much cheaper than booking sightseeing through the hotel.
Night time second day was a lot easier, having sorted out my getting around means of transportation. Called on Rio club, I have to say the girls were some of the best looking I have seen. A nice club not pushy and not a rip off.
MY next stop was the strip club in Ukrainian hotel, went inside didn't look much so I left for Millinium in Dnipro hotel.100 to get in and 400 UAH for a private dance, and apart from me there was one other couple.
I was disappointed and left shortly.
The third day picked up a copy of Kiev Post and there was an ad for a beautiful English speaking girl. Phoned the no the girl very chatty and friendly, and she quotes a price of $80 for one hour and the deal is agreed.
Well the girl who turns up at the my interviewing place the bar of my hotel is not not the same girl I spoke to on the phone.
This girl sounded different, but I didn't mind since she was very attractive but brunette, and I normally go for tanned blonds. The sex was OK and she was into it, and she was in a hurry, and so was I.
Took a taxi to arena and shooters to check them out, but didn't stay long. There few girls in the arena club upstairs, but with very loud music, so I didn't fancy starting negotiations there.
The Fourth day. I took a walk to www.roksolana.masssage, just round the corner from Maydan and about 10 minutes walk from Kreschatik, and I am so glad I did. A nice clean place, and with a very friendly English speaking girl on the phone. I chose slava a 20 years student and had an excellent 90 minutes oil body to body massage with a very happy ending.
My last day. I was determined to find out about a strip club called Tixi Omut. Duesentrib posted about it here see his thread and my Q about the place, for which I never got a reply.
I was advised by reception in my hotel against going there, as it is in a dodgy and undesirable part of town next to restaurant called xata rabata (house of fisherman). This made me more determined to go having found a good and reasonable mode of transport.
I got a pre quote of 67 UAH to go there and back to River Palace, with waiting working out at .50 kopeck per minute. Once we got there with my very friendly taxi driver. I asked him to join me inside, as I didn't fancy being alone there after all the warning.
Well, what a pleasant surprise. A very nice small club with some very attractive girls, and 70 UAH to get in. And drinks reasonable.
The club is located on the river on the east side of town.
Got a steamy dance from one pretty blond girl by the name of Vlada and a great brunette by the name Rokslana for 300 as a duet.
BUT I did cross examine the blond about the 500 UAH pd with some action that Duesentribe posted about here and about the on site sauna to hire girls there, but she denied it completely. SO I am not sure?
SO a Kiev expert like uke boy might be kind enough to investigate and report with his finding. RTFF before a reply please. I think there is more to this place than meets the eye, and worth a second visit next time I am in Kiev, and being next to a great seafood restaurant on a fantastic location worth double the trouble, www.hata-rybaka.kievua is the restaurant, with the telephone no for the club Tixi omut on the same card, so it is the same owners. After we finished with Tixi Omut, my driver dropped me at River Palace, and he didn't want to charge me for all the time he waited on me, so I gave him 100 UAH all in from Kreschatik Hotel to the other side of the river and back to River Palace.
I am posting all these details about fares and what to expect for the benefit of newbies who might land in Kiev soon, and so, may find this useful, as getting around a widely spread out city with little English being spoken, could be time and money consuming costly exercise.
The return journey to the airport was 130 grivnas, but the driver was an asshole, so I didn't bother to tip him
My Verdict. Kiev is one of the greatest places for a mongering holiday with some of the most beautiful girls in the world, and the timing was right for me in terms of airfares and the exchange rate nearly 14 to the £, compared to nearly 10 last year.
Will I go there again?
You bet!
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HunterDave
09-24-09, 03:25
Slept till noon, but got up since I was not in Kiev to sleep, but to keep up the hunt for as many women as I could find in my 4 + plus days there. While I had pretty good success with top-models, decided to try escort-models trying to get this one blonde girl I had seen online, called the #, and expected a blonde to show, but a brunette showed. She was ok, but I said I asked for a blonde. She said if you wanted a blonde then she would call and have one sent over. To her word, 20 minutes later a nice blonde, 5'6" with a great rack showed, a little too much makeup for me (I prefer the more natural look) walked in very business like. We chatted for a bit, and then proceeded to the bedroom after showers and this one was not only wild but a bit kinky. She cost a bit more ($130), but was not a clock watcher. The first session was great, DFK, CBJ, liked all positions, cowgirl, doggie, but she was great at cowgirl where she squatted over my dick and slow fucked with me laid back doing no work and her just working her pussy on my dick. Very nice. She was a bit of a screamer. I had opened the windows and was kind of afraid during the afternoon that the screams were getting out and that there might be a knock on my door. This girl after my first session, was really into sucking my dick. While I laid back and kind of talked and rested to get ready for round two, she only wanted to suck dick. She would suck, talk a few words and go right back to sucking. This was one of those blowjobs where the girl relishes each stroke, and loved to go all the way down to the hilt, to feel me in the back of her throat. She really knew how to get me super hard for the second round. Second round was just as good, for about a total 2 hour session. I know she enjoyed it because she gave me her personal cell number and asked if I wanted to meet her again with some friends that night at a club called Decadence (didn't know anything about the club), but was not sure if I went how she would take me neglecting her and going after her friends pants. Did not go that night, probably should have to explore the club and see what the talent at Decadence was like. From readings on this forum it might have been a bit expensive and who knows what the friends might have charged, but maybe could have scored a freebie. But if you spend a ton at the club entertaining, in the end, it still costs you. So I figured RP was a known cost structure, had plenty of eye candy and a target rich environment going into the weekend. Again no pictures but have a great video for my collection. She did not want the video going so I turned it off and then back on. In the end she was fine with it. If she only knew.
Thought about another massage but decided to have some a light dinner and sit outside the Double Coffee and check out the many women and young stuff passing by. Many smiled and would pose for their picture. I got a lot of photos of the many girls walking around, but don't think mongers on this site care about girls in clothes. I may put some on the gallery just as samples later once I figure the upload out. Not sure if there is much interest in that.
That night I ordered another blonde, named Anita that I had eyed on escort-model. She was about a 5'5" cutie that I just wanted to have. She was late, but finally called. She could not find my apartment on Khreshatik, but was waiting out front of a store and needed me to come get her. When I got there I found a tall 5'7", 22 year old, good looking blonde in tight white pants. She filled them out nicely. She was not the one I expected but was a very pleasant surprise. She spoke decent English (I do not speak a word of Russian so I ordered those on the site which said spoke English). She immediately wanted to give me a great big hug like we knew each other, and wanted to wrap her arm in my arm as we walked back to my apartment. Again she did not press for her money, wanted to talk abit, then showered and we moved to the bedroom. She like all the others looked great walking into the bedroom with a small towel wrapped around her. A nice present for me to unwrap and have my way with her. This one was AKA, Anita and she loved GFE and DFK. She was very passionate and really enjoyed her work. She had a great natural rack and enjoyed me sucking and playing with them. If she had not been working thru an agency, probably would have been willing to be a freebie. She was a great cowgirl rider and let me save my energy and play with her tits. She was a real wildcat. This girl gave an excellent blowjob and really got into it. Except for my first girl (Day 1) who was a bit mechanical with her CBJ, all the other girls relished giving BJs. In fact several said they would like to suck dick all day. What the hell happened to American women. This girl really liked to go down all the way to the hilt and sometimes got a little bit rough, but enjoyed it while I played with and had my way with her pussy. This one could as they say "suck the chrome off a trailer hitch." I paid for one hour but since she stayed for round 2 she was with me for 2 and half hours. Definitely got my money's worth ($100 plus tipped for taxi fare) with that one. This one is also worth a repeat meeting in the future since she loved to fuck and suck. She gave me her personal number for my next visit.
When I began planning my trip to Kiev I had all these grand plans to nail as many hotties as I could over a 4+ day trip. Since the sites were not quite as accurate one could/would expect, plus the tardiness of the girls, plus the language barrier, I realized I could not execute Plan A, so I regrouped and devised Plan B. My vision had exceeded my grasp. Plan B was to see how many girls I could still nail while in Kiev with these newly found limitations (wish I had read this forum first). Since RP was a veritable meat market, a target rich environment, I decided to see if I could turn 2 trips in one night to RP to improve my score number high. I ordered a taxi thru my airport driver for 32 grivna. Got to RP at midnight. Place was filling fast since it was Friday night. Cover charge increased from weekday 50 grivna to 75 for the weekend.
I had spotted this petite blonde hottie about 5'4" who liked to dance on the floor in one of those gyrating swaying motions like she was doing a striptease just for you from the night before. She wore one of those form fitting dresses that just clings to the body. You did not have to imagine what her body looked like naked, because the form fitting dress left nothing to your mindseye. Very hot! She kept winking at me, but I had just started on my beer and wanted to enjoy the scene and my beer a little more so I just waited. After drinking just a quarter of my beer she came up to me and said she wanted me and I said how much, she said $300, I said no but would go for a short session for $100 and that we could come right back to RP after sex from my apartment. She said ok for a short session and we left. Time in RP was less than 15 minutes, would have been shorter but I wanted to drink some of that beer! Left RP in a private car, she must be a part of the establishment since she said she only used this one driver for her work. Driver charged me 100 grivna both ways. A bit high, but if you want to see Kiev in a blur. This guy was your driver. Got upstairs and went to work immediately. Showered and this one wanted her cash up front. Here I am with this cute little hottie in her bra and bikini panties and all you have is one thing on your mind and she wants her money. I handed her $100 and she balked (watch out, she must work for someone or maybe even RP). She said no, it was $200 and I said no we agreed on $100 and that if I had wanted all night then $200 would have been the price, but that I was here for a short session. She got pissed and said ok lets go back to RP (in my mind I was thinking Russian mafia, etc.). So to calm things down I offered $130. She went back to $200, but I said since we were there we needed to compromise and that is why I went to $130. She said ok $150. I said well if she could get me to come within a 30-45 minute session then I would kick in the extra $20 as a tip for service. She was not happy, but finally agreed. I had to negotiate because standing in front of me was this hottie almost completely naked and I was fighting over $20, so I took one more shot for the $20 tip option. Guess it was the little head winning over the big head. I went with this $20 option since I had come so many times over the past few days that I really didn't think she could make me come in that time period. I have not tried any of the ED meds yet, but even though I am older, getting it up has not been a problem, but reaching orgasm takes a bit, too much longer. I do plan to try some of those meds my next time in Kiev. Besides, the $20 tip option gave her the incentive to work that much harder to make the money so my session would be much better. As it turned out she was a real minx in the sack. She was a good kisser but she fucked just like she danced, very sensual and reacted to my touches the way I wanted. She had a rock hard body with a great set of tits. I would easily have given her a 9 in looks and body, and a 9 in the sack. She did have a tendency to return to her work like attitude, working hard to get me off to make her tip money. Kind of ironic, she had to get me off in a hot fuck session to get her tip. She had to work my tip to get my tip! Low and behold she finally did get me to cum in the end and earned her tip. We showered and her car came and picked us up. Not bad left RP for just under 2 hours and had a very nice hot blonde. Back at RP and had a chance to enjoy the scenery. The place had filled up considerably with a lot more women. Decided to sit back and have a beer and wait for my next pickup. The same two set of blondes offering a threesome came by (still at $200) and offered their services but I declined, it was still a bit early and I wanted to talk to more women. There were two brunettes which kept wanting to talk. They offered a threesome but I told them I was only looking for a single. After much talk, leaving and coming back we got close to a deal. They of course offered a two girl special for $300, but I declined, everytime they came back they dropped their price to $200, but I continued to tell them I was only looking for a single. Then the competition got interesting as each vied to be the one. All in all it was a fun game and I finally decided to go with the light haired brunette since she promised a full body massage, and several other services to include BBBJ for $130 for a 4 hour session. We caught another "special taxi" for 100 grivna (they have a racket at RP). This one was a very touchy girl. Very sensual and loved to run her hands all over my body. She gave an excellent massage and a great body rub. I had left my boxer shorts on during the massage and she was crazy about them and nearly ripped them off of me wanting to suck my dick. She gave a great BBBJ and just went nuts doing cowgirl and reverse cowgirl. I told her that it would take her quite awhile to make me cum, which made her work that much harder. The girl loved to suck. A real pro. And loved to moan. She went nuts while I gave it to her doggie style. She especially liked it hard in missionary position. She finally was able to get me to cum and I was completely exhausted and fell asleep with her in my arms. I awoke around 7 with her hands and mouth trying to get me hard. After a few minutes she proceeded to mount me like a bull rider and went to town. Had to cover her mouth some since she was in the mood to scream that early in the morning. All in all a great late night session. I had made my 2 turn plan at RP work that night, but after she left, I went hard to sleep. I was dead tired and spent! I got video on 3 out of 4 of the girls. The last one attacked me so fast I did not even think about the video camera. Damnit!
The Hunter
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HunterDave
09-24-09, 03:49
After a few hours sleep I got up and walked around the city center. It seems they close a portion of Khreshatik so the people can walk around Independence Square and enjoy the setting and the scenery on the weekends. It was very interesting to see all the people come out and they had a live concert going both Saturday (and Sunday). I got many nice pictures walking around taking pictures of all the women. Had a few beers walking and sitting along Khreshatik during the afternoon. While I had been with 10 women, counting the full body massage with handjob, during the first 3 days, I decided to enjoy the city and the people and for the afternoon. That night I was ready to go for it again and tried to get a few from top-models to show, but had 2 damn no shows. Said they were coming but never made it. Guess that's life. Based on the no shows I decided to make a replay of my Friday night at RP so I headed back to RP at midnight to search for my first conquest, a short turn around. When I got to RP I was behind this young 20 year old blonde hottie with a skirt so short that it left little to the imagination to her ass. It was a small piece of clothe covering a great ass. I said well I will go in but would like to see if she could be had quickly when I got inside. I had seen her the night before but had decided to go with the petite blonde, so now I was looking to score with this one tonight. I proceeded back to the bar and checked out the action. The place was filling up and I watched that blonde in the non-existent skirt walk the area. She and I caught each other's eye and she approached me. We had some small talk and she asked me if I liked her and I said yes. I then asked her what it would take to see the rest of the top of her legs under that tiny little skirt. She moved back a few inches then leaned back in and said $300. I told her I never pay that much money, but would be interested in a quick turn back to my apartment and she then said ok for $200. I told her no, too much and offered only $100. She said I was crazy. I then told her that if it was really good and that if she pleased me I would throw in $20 more as a tip. I offered her a performance based contract based on intimacy and her ability to excite me to orgasm. She thought about it for awhile, and was very intrigued about the offer and the chance for a quick turn. She finally agreed and wanted to leave. I took a few more sips of my beer and we walked out. This girl was named Catherine and was a student at university working the summer for some cash and play money. This one was different because when we were leaving RP, we did not take a taxi or private car she had her own car parked in the special parking lot o f the casino. Very interesting but I did not have pay for a round cab trip to the apartment. She was an ok driver but not too good at directions or knowledge of downtown Kiev. It was great we parked the car, went upstairs, showered and she was a great kisser, loved DFK, CBJ, and was crazy about reverse cowgirl and squatting on my dick. She really got into it and really went nuts when we did doggie and modified doggie. She loved it when I pinned her to the mattress and rode her hard from behind. While she was a moaner, I was able to get her to scream and give me the "Da, DA, DA" in missionary and again when I pinned her to the mattress with her ankles up around my ears where I could give her the best deep penetration. This girl was a clear 9 in looks, her body while she had B cups, were those perfect pair you dream of. Those legs which I had imagined in that short skirt were even better naked. They were a pair of the best set of long legs I had had the chance to eat and dine at and to nail to my heart's content. Again a rookie mistake on taking photos, but I did get a great video for my library!
She will definitely be a repeat for my next trip if she is still working. And if the RP is still open. I pray for that since the casinos are closed. (Does anyone have any news on an earlier report that RP would be closing). She had this little giggle about her and was a very cute girl. And in that short skirt was totally hot! After we showered she drove me back to RP we kissed, and hugged and both went about our business, She began working the room and I started scoping the action with a new beer in hand. Not bad, first arrived at midnight, left at 12:15, and was back by 2:15, ready for round two on a super packed Saturday night. Friday and Saturday appear to be the best nights, but Thursday night (my first at RP) was not that much different or worse though. Saw a lot of the same girls each night but did get a mix of new talent for Friday and Saturday nights. I again was offered 2 sets of girls for threesomes but declined not sure if I could keep up with them all night. Whoever I was taking back was going to have to stay the rest of the night. While I considered several hotties I kind of was looking for someone that I could carry on a conversation with when I was not nailing her to the bed. This next one would have been #12 (a perfect dozen in 4 days-I was leaving on Sunday early afternoon) so I took my time. After about an hour I finally saw my blonde hottie (Svetlana) from my first night at RP (Thursday night) and she came over to talk to me and asked why I kept rejecting all those women. I told her that I was not interested in them and that I wanted someone with a little class like her. A woman with stunning looks and that wanted to give me the GFE experience. She said that she loved the way I talked with her and that she would like a repeat performance. While I had wanted to go with some new talent plus hit that even dozen number, I had this hot blonde in front of me saying yes even before I asked. Took a mental time out and asked for a judge's ruling and with the little head tipping the scales, received a judges nod for the dozen number but with an astrerick*. I decided to accept her offer and we headed back to the apartment for another sensational multi-round session with a nice blonde hottie. This was a repeat of our Friday session. This girl loves the sex, gives a great CBJ, and just loves to DFK. While thoroughly love her in doggie position, when I put her in missionary and slowly worked her to a frenzy with her ankles up around my ears and pinning her to the mattress she moaned and went nuts giving me that "Da, DA, DA" which seems to raise me to new heights and makes me harder. When I kept pulling her back from the passion by slowing it down, she would get a bit pissed and tell me how good I was which seemed to take me to new heights. All in all another outstannding fuck session with a gorgeous hot tall blonde. We crashed for about an hour and then proceeded to round 2. This one, along with the blonde in the short skirt were 2 great lays on my last night in Kiev. Clearly a memory to want me to return ASAP. I got numbers on all the ones I'd like to see again on my next trip. Most of the lays were excellent and most of the girls were into their trade and were good GFEs. Svetlana and I have kept in touch and I hope to see her on my next trip in October this year plus a few other RP cuties. Svetlana said when she left that morning that she was probably going to have to sleep most of the day to get her strength back after our night session. She said after our first session (Friday morning) that it took her all day to recover (her day off from work), sure made me feel young again. Lesson learned for me since I am in my fifties, I will be trying some ED help to keep up with these Ukrainian hotties.
The Hunter
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HunterDave
09-24-09, 04:07
Day 5 Baker's Dozen Surprise (Part V)
Sunday after a few hours of rest I packed up waiting for the driver to head to the airport. It was 10: 30 AM and I needed some food. I went out to Khreshatik and again walked the street admiring all the nice women. I had just finished my food and was sitting on a bench near a cute little 18 year old with long black hair with very fair skin. She spoke some English so I said what the hell go for it. She seemed to want to practice her English and I wanted to practice one last monger attempt. Told her I was there on business and some R&R. That I had an apartment near there and if she would like to see it. She said why and I said so that we could talk privately. She seemed to understand and kind of winked and asked sex, and I said ok, and we proceeded back to my apartment. When we got there we talked, her English was very broken so we just kind of toughed our way through it, abit about blah, blah, blah and I then led to talking about the bedroom and sex and she said ok. After some kissing she then went into shower, while I called the driver to stay away till I called him. She had a nice tight little body with small B size tits. She was a pretty good kisser (DFK), her CBJ needed some guidance from me, she clearly did not have much BJ experience but I showed her how to work the stroke, after only a little while she was a natural and loved to take it to the hilt. This one could go deep.. She really got into it after awhile. She truly enjoyed cowgirl and when I had her turn to reverse cowgirl where she could fondle my balls. She was a bit of a moaner in doggie, was a natural at missionary and when I moved her around and rolled her ankles up to my ears she tensed up for abit but once she rolled with my thrusts really got into it and went nuts when she orgasmed. I had her screaming and when I nailed her hard to the mattress to come she loved it. I just loved that dark black hair all over me. She wanted to end by slowly sucking my dick I guess as a thank you for this impromptu session. Who knows I may have initiated a future RP hottie for the forum. While she had not asked for any money, I did give her $20 dollars for the session to cover her taxi fare as she had been shopping that morning and had a few bags she was carrying. Thought a cab was the least I could do. Since I gave her $20, guess it was not quite a freebie, but how many freebies have we all had where we didn't have to pay for some part of the evening. This was a great way to end my 4 + day trip. All in all I considered it to be a very good first trip to Kiev and one well worth repeating soon. Wish I had been a member to this forum before that trip, would have not made some of the mistakes I did make, but it was still very successful. I will call my first trip my Baker's Dozen trip to Kiev.
I will be in Kiev 2-6 October for business and a bit of mongering. If anyone plans to be in town while I am there maybe we can link up and compare notes and run a few traps at RP. I have been conversing with several hotties online and plan to see if I can score some free strange, but in the end will probably have to pay for it in some form or fashion. But have RP and top-models and escort models as back-up. I will get a local sim card this time and my apartment location is excellent and comes with wi-fi, and the old ladies watching the front door just give dirty looks when you have a procession of young women enter with you. They probably hate me, but really cannot say anything. I hope to be able to match or beat my first trip. Will be there 4 days again and plan to use some ED assistance to see if I can top my Baker's Dozen. Will let you know how things go. Wish me good luck! If you guys think I should post a few of the pictures I did take in the photo gallery (they are dressed) I will. I depart for Europe tomorrow for a week before I head to Kiev. I will work to take more still photos but then I won't have the video set up in the bedroom. I will need to think this thru.
The Hunter
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That’s a super list. Store them in your mobile phone message archives. If you need more you could use this service.
http://www.liveonlinetranslation.com/eng/live_online
It’s staffed 24/7 by human translators, just type in what you want said and, unlike the computer programs the reply will be accurate. It’s currently free to use.
1. Would like to join me for a dinner? - Ty hochesh' pouzhinat' so mnoj?
2. Could you come to my apartment? - Ty mozhesh' pridti v moju kvartiru?
3. How much do you charge per night? - Skol'ko ty beresh' za noch'? or Skol'ko budet stoit noch' s toboj?
4. How much do you charge per day? - Skol'ko ty beresh' za den'? or Skol'ko budet stoit' celyj den'?
5. How do you say (100, 200, 300, 400, 500 etc.) - Sto, dvesti, trista, chetyresta, pyat'sot
6. Do you do oral without condom? - Ty delaesh' minet bez prezervativa?
7. My apartment address is ... - Moj adres
8. My phone number is ... - Moj nomer telefona
9. What is your address / phone number? - Kakoj tvoj adres, kakoj tvoj nomer telefona?
10. What is your name? - Kak tebja zovut?
11. Can we go to a restaurant? - My mozhem pojti v restoran?
12. You are beautiful - Ty krasivaja or Ty prekrasno vyglyadish'
13. When will you come to my apartment? - Kogda ty pojdesh' v moju kvartiru?
14. I will wait for you - Ja budu tebja zhdat'
15. Speak slowly - Govori medleno
Hunter Dave,
Really enjoyed reading your reports, and you know <WHAT? , we were neighbors on KRESCHAICK st., so I am sure we crossed paths there. I was in kiev wed 9 sept and left on the Sunday 13 sept the day you left.
NOW you mentioned the free concert in MAYDAN on SAT12 sept.
HAving read your reports it seems to me FLIRT. COM UA, is a waste of time and I should have gone for the sites you mentioned.
GOT so excited and eager to rectify past mistakes, that I have booked a return trip to kiev on 6 nov 09 for 3 nights. A monger should do kiev at least TWICE.
I stayed in KRESCHAICK hotel it is no 14 on kreschatick st and paid 700 grevnas on Thursday and they charged me 630 uah per night weekend rates. What no was your apt on kreschatick?
I think I am going to switch my mongering activities from poland to KIEV and LIVIV, as the exchange rate and cheap airfares from London are quite favourable at the moment.
Me and You
09-24-09, 22:25
Reports of Hunter Dave and Jojosum must be reports of Distinction.
Very good work guys and very useful and interesting infos and update about Kiev.
Thanks
Jojosun a word of advice. Kiev yes for sure, but forget about Lvov.
This used to be a good mongering destination 6-7-8 years ago but not today.
Search the forum and there will be no new reports on it. You can try your luck but don't expect too much.
Reports of Hunter Dave and Jojosum must be reports of Distinction.
Very good work guys and very useful and interesting infos and update about Kiev.
ThanksThank you.
It is nice to be appreciated, but I did get flamed here by a certain (kiev expert) for asking one question too many prior to my landing in kiev.
My advice to first time mongers to kiev, is to ask, and ask again, and rtff. A big thank you to all who replied to my questions, without their tips and info, (salons, apts, ) would have been clueless to me.
Sharing info is caring.
Jojosun a word of advice. Kiev yes for sure, but forget about Lvov.
This used to be a good mongering destination 6-7-8 years ago but not today.
Search the forum and there will be no new reports on it. You can try your luck but don't expect too much.Thank you kurenda for your advice, but the only reason I am thinking of putting iviv or lvov on my list, is that my favourite budget airline ryanair does some fantastic deals from london to poland, and the closest city in poland to lvov is rzeszow. Then it is a short hop over to livov by train or bus.
Livov is compact, and if I did pick up some some freebies on kreschatick st in kiev (didn't include this in my mongring report) my reasoning is I could do the same in livov., I hope.
Do you speak Russian. All of these info and you went there once only? How much cash you spent man?
I'm here for the forth time and I didn't have the chance to do this thing here, so let me know the info.
Meashearim
09-25-09, 17:30
I have just arrived to Kiev, and will study Russian here for a year.
The two days I have been here I have visited about 15 apartments with girls, and also a strip club called Haifa (only one girl was working, so I left pretty quick).
I have to say that I am so far a little bit disappointed with the range of girls – and the high pricing – at these apartments. 900 grivna ($105) seems to be the average/standard price.
I had recently a great week in Poland, and I have to say that the quality was better – to a lower price – which surprises me a little.
Despite visiting 15 flats I have only made out with one girl (Lera). She was in her mid-twenties, really nice, had this lovely Eastern Europe-look, silicone breast, and petite. I payed 1200 grivna ($145) for one hour. She was definitely worth the money, but in comparison I payed only 150-300 zloty ($50-$105) for as beautiful girls in Warczawa-Sopot-Gdansk.
I have read HunterDave's excellent posts, and will give a shot at the River Palace tonight and tomorrow. I have found a decent taxi driver, Sasha (Alexander), and he takes me from place to place for a fixed amount of 50 grivna. I guess it is still a little bit too much, but it will be easier to get a good price as soon as I know some basic Russian. The good thing is that he speaks English, which is a relief. Very few speaks English here, which complicates things a little.
Do anyone know about the possibilities of following a RP-girl to her place?
My problem is that I am living in the student's dormitory, and I am also sharing my room with another foreign student. Furthermore, after 11 pm I am supposed to be in my room – but fortunately the guard doesn't seem to care when I have been dropping home at four in the mornings.
I haven't yet started to call escorts at Gia and Top-models, since my experience with similar sites is not so good (false pictures), but maybe I will take a shot at the mentioned dating sites.
I'll be back with more reports after visiting RP.
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Jojo give a try to Lvov and you will found it's much harder then in Kiev.
If already in Poland much better option is to try your luck there than in Lvov.
Meashearim there are many who thinks that in Ukraine they will get cheap sex with stunning girls. In most cases this is not the case. Ukrainian pros are cheaper then in Ukraine. And if EU reports are correct Poland has much more pros per capita than Ukraine thus lower price.
Since you're a student try your luck with female colegues in the form of freebies. But keep in mind if you're non-white (i.e. Arab or Asian) your chances are smaller. In that case don't loose hope but hit on foreign students.
When ever in Odessa or Crimea I usually bang lots of female foreign students who study there, usually form Indonesia and Malesia.
Do anyone know about the possibilities of following a RP-girl to her place?
My problem is that I am living in the student's dormitory, and I am also sharing my room with another foreign student. Furthermore, after 11 pm I am supposed to be in my room – but fortunately the guard doesn't seem to care when I have been dropping home at four in the mornings.
I think I can help you with this but maybe not exactly what you want to hear...
Was in Kyiv last Saturday night and decided to pay RP a visit to finally check out the scene there.
Like yourself I was compromised because of my accomodation arrangements but was happy enough just to go along and see the place in action with no real intention of "playing".
Arrived sometime after 1 am and put my head first into the bar on the left as you go in (Sports Bar?), liked the feel of the place so pulled up at the counter and ordered a beer there to put me in the mood, so to speak.
There were only approx 10/12 ppl present, some couples/groups here and there and a single lady sitting on her own on one of the seats between myself and the entrance.
Anytime I turned around to have a look about she did her best to catch my eye and initiate some kind of contact.
Called a second beer and at this stage because I was staying over with some married friends as alluded to above and also because of general weariness I began to debate with myself whether I would bother going upstairs to the club.
So when she approached me shortly after and asked could she join me I agreed, reasoning that some harmless flirting/negotiating might be as good a way as any to end the night and might sow a seed for the following night or whenever.
We had a drink and chatted together for a while and eventually she popped the question about whether I wanted her to accompany me back to my hotel.
I demurred by explaining my arrangements but she countered by saying this was not a problem as I could also go back to her apartment if I desired.
So for the hell of it I asked her what was involved and after a bit of sparring we arrived at a price of €150 for a few hours or so.
When I rejoined that if I did go back I might as well see out the night she suggested €200 would cover that eventuality.
Offered her another drink but she declined suggesting that if we were going then now was the time to move.
And that was the fateful moment I decided to play seeing as she was exactly my type and also as the money arrangement seemed to more or less fit in with what I understood to be the norm around RP.
So we headed off in the taxi into the weird and wonderful land of the Apartmentia on the far side of the Dnipro.
Which left me a little anxious but we pulled up in a good area and the apartment itself was fine so I relaxed again.
Paid over the cash and she asked me to excuse her for a minute or two.
But after a few minutes a male figure emerged at the door and shouted in that I "should go now please" (sic).
Decided to stand my ground and see what played out but after another few minutes what appeared to be the same or perhaps another man came in and loudly/menacingly informed me I should leave immediately.
So at this point seeing it was 4am or so and deep in "Terra Incognita" I decided discretion might be the better part of valour and withdrew into the dark Dniprovo night.
Had a devil of a job getting home as well but that's another story...
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So, no need for anyone to post and corroborate my jack-assery as I'm well aware of that but I've had some good freebie fun out in the Kommunalkas from time to time so I wasn't overly concerned about the direction we were heading.
And after 22 years of almost flawless buccaneering would consider this to be a rather cheap lesson and the amount involved is a mere pin-prick in the overall Gergiev largesse.
Also I had got involved in a bit of a drinking session involving several shots earlier in the evening which had sapped some of my energy and lowered my defences somewhat.
But rather troublingly I can't remember her "name" or even her exact appearance and I felt so uncharacteristically poor the next day that I can't help wondering if there was something chemical added to my drink in RP at some stage or other.
And I've never previously deviated from whatever gameplan I set out with; eg in this case to just pay a visit and check-out the scene for future reference etc.
What my brain does tell me is that she was approx 30-35, very attractive and dark-haired with good English skills and as mentioned above situated on her own in the bar on the left as you go in at approx 1.30am or so if this rings any bells.
Also can't help wondering what would have happened in this instance if I had been using my own hotel/apartment?
Apologies about the rambling nature of this report as I actually wrote a shorter version that my computer swallowed up a night or two ago but in the context of Meashearim's enquiry I think it's better to provide a full account for the benefit of him and others...
Anyone else have any knowledge of this kind of carry-on?
Meashearim,
Does ring a bill with me. Isn't this the name of the ultra Orthodox Jewish area in Jerusalem?
When I was in Israel a few years ago. I do recall being taken there by some Israeli friends of mine, and indeed a fascinating area.
So here you say you are a student<but are you a mature student? Agewise?
As Kurenda said and Waryman, it is a pie in the sky to think one gets cheap sex with stunning girls in ukraine.
Pulling girls in Ukraine and Poland will depend on your looks and age, so the darker you are the more difficult this becomes.
So if you are a dark Israeli or a dark arab or asian or black, your chances are much much less.
It is ironic that both Arabs and Israelis share the same variety of the colour of their populations ranging from white to darkest black.
If I were you, and your are a lighter skinned youngish student, I would head to the student bars or the Irish pubs in the centre.
And if I could pull a girl who was easily 20 years younger than me on Krestahick st, then I am sure you could as well.
In here I followed Waryman excellent tips about Kiev, and dyed my hair 2 shades darker, so covered the grey and looked very north italian or a middle class spaniard, which is very appealing to the girls of kiev at the moment as per Waryman report.
The MORAL of Gergiev excellent report could be the following:
1. Sort out your transport. It is imperative to have a reliable taxi driver on hand, and he could be your guide, friend, guard and saviour, when needed.
2. CASH, is to be handed over on a half and half basis if not at the end, as is the case with Bangkok long time girls taken out for the evening.
3. I would avoid visiting apartments or as they are called (SALONS in kiev post) unless I have a driver waiting for me downstairs. It is worth the 50 kopecks per minute cost of waiting time. AFTER all it is only $5.80 EXTRA ph. Most of these apartments seem to be out of the centre in suburbs not used to seeing tourists.
GERGIEV. IF I were you I would report your experience to the manager of RP. I think Hi is a big guy in fact huge, on night duty, and he is very friendly, and he told me any problems with girls that I might encouter in the club or outside to report them to him, and he will deal with them.
IF YOU cannot reacall her name or her appearance, go back there again to rp, and she is bound to be there for another victim, or ask the manager to have a look at CCTV cameras of the club. They are bound to have some installed.
KIEV Casinos are shut now, the last thing they need is to scare mongers away from clubs like RP.
Валерий Абисалович,
Your RP report is most disturbing. In fact, the management at RP should be very concerned if one or more of their bar employees is spiking drinks and working in concert with this wh0re (in the negative sense of the word) or other criminal шлюхи. She should be stopped from ever being able to enter RP.
Perhaps if anyone from RP is reading this forum, they can comment about what happened and what guarantees they can make about customer safety within the club. This is exactly the worst possible publicity they can receive.
By the way, if this had happened to a local, he would have sent a friend next day and take her back to meet him but now in his space and on his terms. She would then have had a real lesson in honest behavior strictly taught to her. That is how things are still done here. She took the chance only because you are a foreigner but your post on this forum could possibly end her RP gravy train.
Your RP report is most disturbing. In fact, the management at RP should be very concerned if one or more of their bar employees is spiking drinks and working in concert with this wh0re (in the negative sense of the word) or other criminal шлюхи. She should be stopped from ever being able to enter RP.
UB, just to clarify, I'm not suggesting the staff behind the counter were involved in any of this.
If it did happen (and I can't swear to it, just a hunch of mine as to the possibility) then I would suggest she did it herself while I was in the toilet.
I'm perturbed as to how I went down so fast in terms of cognisance but also have to allow for the fact that I may have been responsible for my own condition after getting involved in some vodka toasting on top of my usual beer intake earlier on before arrival on top of a couple of hard days and nights in the city.
Perhaps if anyone from RP is reading this forum, they can comment about what happened and what guarantees they can make about customer safety within the club. This is exactly the worst possible publicity they can receive.
When I finally got my head together the following evening I went onto the web to see if RP had an e-mail contact address with a view to making them aware of what transpired the night before.
However they only have a telephone number and being a stranger in town and not knowing the nuances of how they operate vis-a-vis the prostititution on the premises I wouldn't have felt particularly confident about making this case to them over the phone.
Perhaps as you say if anybody from RP browses here they might wish to make a comment or make contact with me.
Or if any of the regulars here wish to bring it to the attention of any staff/management they know then of course I can be contacted through this site.
By the way, if this had happened to a local, he would have sent a friend next day and take her back to meet him but now in his space and on his terms. She would then have had a real lesson in honest behavior strictly taught to her. That is how things are still done here.
Also in my part of the world...
To be honest if I was sticking around any longer then I would have considered what options I had in terms of arranging some kind of counter-sting/retribution but had to exit Kyiv very early on Monday.
Briefly thought about heading out there again on Sunday night to see if she was operating again but wasn't really feeling good enough to follow it through.
She took the chance only because you are a foreigner.
As you say I have no doubt I did stick out that night like a sore thumb and we were the only 2 unattached ppl (myself & her) downstairs if that rings any bells with anybody who might have been there.
In fact she may well have muttered a secret "Hallelujah" when I appeared seeing as how everyone else there was in some kind of company.
Your post on this forum could possibly end her RP gravy train.
Well hopefully if nothing else it will help others keep their wits about them.
For example, Meashearim who asked this very question yesterday would be perfect prey for her if he arrived there needing someone who was prepared to accomodate him at her abode.
Also there are so many reports recently about what a no-brainer that RP is on a Fri/Sat night for a liaison once the price is settled that pointing out the possible pitfalls can surely do no harm...
VG.
AColonizer
09-26-09, 20:07
But why does nobody read this fucking forum before to mistake??? Why didn't nobody hear "expensive prices for hungry tourists"? Why didn't nobody read "200 dollars for one day sex"?
P.S. For your information, Slavic prostitutes on Italian roads make swallow blowjobs for 20 euros.
I have just arrived to Kiev, and will study Russian here for a year.
The two days I have been here I have visited about 15 apartments with girls, and also a strip club called Haifa (only one girl was working, so I left pretty quick).
I have to say that I am so far a little bit disappointed with the range of girls – and the high pricing – at these apartments. 900 grivna ($105) seems to be the average/standard price.
I had recently a great week in Poland, and I have to say that the quality was better – to a lower price – which surprises me a little.
Despite visiting 15 flats I have only made out with one girl (Lera). She was in her mid-twenties, really nice, had this lovely Eastern Europe-look, silicone breast, and petite. I payed 1200 grivna ($145) for one hour. She was definitely worth the money, but in comparison I payed only 150-300 zloty ($50-$105) for as beautiful girls in Warczawa-Sopot-Gdansk.
I have read HunterDave's excellent posts, and will give a shot at the River Palace tonight and tomorrow. I have found a decent taxi driver, Sasha (Alexander), and he takes me from place to place for a fixed amount of 50 grivna. I guess it is still a little bit too much, but it will be easier to get a good price as soon as I know some basic Russian. The good thing is that he speaks English, which is a relief. Very few speaks English here, which complicates things a little.
Do anyone know about the possibilities of following a RP-girl to her place?
My problem is that I am living in the student's dormitory, and I am also sharing my room with another foreign student. Furthermore, after 11 pm I am supposed to be in my room – but fortunately the guard doesn't seem to care when I have been dropping home at four in the mornings.
I haven't yet started to call escorts at Gia and Top-models, since my experience with similar sites is not so good (false pictures), but maybe I will take a shot at the mentioned dating sites.
I'll be back with more reports after visiting RP.
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Валерий Абисалович,
Your RP report is most disturbing. In fact, the management at RP should be very concerned if one or more of their bar employees is spiking drinks and working in concert with this wh0re (in the negative sense of the word) or other criminal шлюхи. She should be stopped from ever being able to enter RP.
Perhaps if anyone from RP is reading this forum, they can comment about what happened and what guarantees they can make about customer safety within the club. This is exactly the worst possible publicity they can receive.
By the way, if this had happened to a local, he would have sent a friend next day and take her back to meet him but now in his space and on his terms. She would then have had a real lesson in honest behavior strictly taught to her. That is how things are still done here. She took the chance only because you are a foreigner but your post on this forum could possibly end her RP gravy train.Uke,
I'm not sure I agree what you say, remember they were at first going to go to his apartment, it was only when he said this was not possible that she said they can go to hers. What makes you think she may have been in league with rp staff? Maybe she did this alone, maybe she is under the control of a boyfriend? I wonder if she left his company to use the toilet and made a phone call? Either way, I agree with you that its very disturbing.
UB, just to clarify, I'm not suggesting the staff behind the counter were involved in any of this.
If it did happen (and I can't swear to it, just a hunch of mine as to the possibility) then I would suggest she did it herself while I was in the toilet.
I'm perturbed as to how I went down so fast in terms of cognisance but also have to allow for the fact that I may have been responsible for my own condition after getting involved in some vodka toasting on top of my usual beer intake earlier on before arrival on top of a couple of hard days and nights in the city.
When I finally got my head together the following evening I went onto the web to see if RP had an e-mail contact address with a view to making them aware of what transpired the night before.
However they only have a telephone number and being a stranger in town and not knowing the nuances of how they operate vis-a-vis the prostititution on the premises I wouldn't have felt particularly confident about making this case to them over the phone.
Perhaps as you say if anybody from RP browses here they might wish to make a comment or make contact with me.
Or if any of the regulars here wish to bring it to the attention of any staff/management they know then of course I can be contacted through this site.
Also in my part of the world...
To be honest if I was sticking around any longer then I would have considered what options I had in terms of arranging some kind of counter-sting/retribution but had to exit Kyiv very early on Monday.
Briefly thought about heading out there again on Sunday night to see if she was operating again but wasn't really feeling good enough to follow it through.
As you say I have no doubt I did stick out that night like a sore thumb and we were the only 2 unattached ppl (myself & her) downstairs if that rings any bells with anybody who might have been there.
In fact she may well have muttered a secret "Hallelujah" when I appeared seeing as how everyone else there was in some kind of company.
Well hopefully if nothing else it will help others keep their wits about them.
For example, Meashearim who asked this very question yesterday would be perfect prey for her if he arrived there needing someone who was prepared to accomodate him at her abode.
Also there are so many reports recently about what a no-brainer that RP is on a Fri/Sat night for a liaison once the price is settled that pointing out the possible pitfalls can surely do no harm...
VG.
Phone RP, ask for Sasha who is head of security and speaks English. Explain to him everything that happened and especially the dates and times involved. He will then get the surveillance guys to check the video footage and the girl will be identified.
The MORAL of Gergiev excellent report could be the following:
1. Sort out your transport. It is imperative to have a reliable taxi driver on hand, and he could be your guide, friend, guard and saviour, when needed.
2. CASH, is to be handed over on a half and half basis if not at the end, as is the case with Bangkok long time girls taken out for the evening.
3. I would avoid visiting apartments or as they are called (SALONS in kiev post) unless I have a driver waiting for me downstairs. It is worth the 50 kopecks per minute cost of waiting time. AFTER all it is only $5.80 EXTRA ph. Most of these apartments seem to be out of the centre in suburbs not used to seeing tourists.
GERGIEV. IF I were you I would report your experience to the manager of RP. I think Hi is a big guy in fact huge, on night duty, and he is very friendly, and he told me any problems with girls that I might encouter in the club or outside to report them to him, and he will deal with them.
IF YOU cannot reacall her name or her appearance, go back there again to rp, and she is bound to be there for another victim, or ask the manager to have a look at CCTV cameras of the club. They are bound to have some installed.
KIEV Casinos are shut now, the last thing they need is to scare mongers away from clubs like RP.Sorry, just realised, that you said you left kiev on Monday, but writing to the manager or head of security would be a very good option.
Arcanehalls
09-27-09, 15:44
I have used the Live-Online-Translation and I can only agree with Irish Lad. For some months now I have been making contacts on mamba. Ru, but even those who claim to speak a little English are very shy to do so.
Approx a month ago I stumbled across Live-online when I was looking for someone who could do simultaneous interpretations. I got lady-friend Tanya to get in touch with them and we've had a couple of interpreted "talks". Works great!
Now that she has got to know me I am quite sure we will have a good time when we meet in a few weeks. We are going to meet without help, and see how things go. If it doesn't work Ludmila att Liveonline has promised to help us out.
I'm not sure I would choose to take a girl out who knows no English, but if the lady knows a little, she will probably feel assured that help is only a "call away", and after a few drinks she will be "fluent" in English and I will hopefully be well into her.
If anybody wants to know how things went (the language side of it that is), drop me a line and I will tell you.
That’s a super list. Store them in your mobile phone message archives. If you need more you could use this service.
http://www.liveonlinetranslation.com/eng/live_online
It’s staffed 24/7 by human translators, just type in what you want said and, unlike the computer programs the reply will be accurate. It’s currently free to use.
Uke, I'm not sure I agree what you say, remember they were at first going to go to his apartment, it was only when he said this was not possible that she said they can go to hers. What makes you think she may have been in league with rp staff? Maybe she did this alone, maybe she is under the control of a boyfriend? I wonder if she left his company to use the toilet and made a phone call? Either way, I agree with you that its very disturbing.
Dice, there are few things here that bother me.
First, it seems that if she was the culprit, Gergiev would have had a problem even if they went back to his hotel, if he was able to entertain her there. My guess is that she would have slipped more into drinks later to completely knock him out and then just steal him blind, not just the money he handed over at her location. Perhaps in this sense he was very lucky.
She is someone who has to be stopped because she is a thief and a criminal and whatever RP can do to make sure she does not enter the prmises or ever do the scam again would be welcome.
However, this is Ukraine. If she is regular, then she had to build a relationship with the RP employees, especially the barmen. They are the club's and the regular's eyes and ears. Now if she is slipping something into drinks there security cameras or the barman should have some recording of it or have noticed it. My experience is that not much gets by a barman.
Also, I do not think this would be her first time doing such things. I suspect that she has done this more than once with guys just not reporting it out of embarrassment, no recall of the events or just as Gergiev said, small price to pay for all the years of mongering.
One bad apple can ruin it for the many. Maybe RP just might respond and eliminate this element.
But why does everybody reading this fucking forum not listen to me??? I am the god of sex and I know everything. Why doesn't anybody pay me 200 dollars for one day sex?
P.S. For your information, I am a prostitute on Italian roads and I make swallow blowjobs for 20 euros but my asshole is free.
Colon, We do read this fucking forum but we also know better than to read what idiocy you post.
Meashearim
09-27-09, 19:40
Meashearim there are many who thinks that in Ukraine they will get cheap sex with stunning girls. In most cases this is not the case. Ukrainian pros are cheaper then in Ukraine. And if EU reports are correct Poland has much more pros per capita than Ukraine thus lower price.I also made this assumption, and it is easy to fall in this trap. It is difficult at first to accept a higher price than in Germany or in Poland regarding the financial situation here.
Meashearim,
Does ring a bill with me. Isn't this the name of the ultra Orthodox Jewish area in Jerusalem?
When I was in Israel a few years ago. I do recall being taken there by some Israeli friends of mine, and indeed a fascinating area.
So here you say you are a student<but are you a mature student? Agewise? Yes, that’s correct, Mea Shearim (Hundred Gates) is a religious neighborhood in Jerusalem.
They do have some really hot girls in Tel Aviv. Personally I prefer the Sefaradi-girls, or the recent arrived Russians. I think they have a really good mix down there for the moment. I’m in my early 30’s, and from Scandinavia. I am light skinned, so I am not directly faced with their hidden racism.
For example, Meashearim who asked this very question yesterday would be perfect prey for her if he arrived there needing someone who was prepared to accomodate him at her abode. Also there are so many reports recently about what a no-brainer that RP is on a Fri/Sat night for a liaison once the price is settled that pointing out the possible pitfalls can surely do no harm...Your experience sounds really bad, and completely respectles, but fortunately it seems that I don’t have to come in such a situation. Some of the other fellow students were not as innocent as they seemed to be. As soon as I mentioned RP, some doors immediately opened. The guard at the dormitory entrance charges one small bottle of whiskey for letting in girls. And my neighboring student gladly lets his room to me when that happens.
But why does nobody read this fucking forum before to mistake??? Why didn't nobody hear "expensive prices for hungry tourists"? Why didn't nobody read "200 dollars for one day sex"?
P.S. For your information, Slavic prostitutes on Italian roads make swallow blowjobs for 20 euros.Basically one reason: Naivety. After my successful week in Poland I simply guessed that if I would apply the Warszava-model also here I would do just fine, but that was a (expensive) mistake. I will take it slow a few days now (need to do my studies), but I will thoroughly go through this forum about Kiev in the coming days.
I have now been two times at the River Palace, Friday and Saturday. They do have really beautiful girls there, but unfortunately this kind of oil-cartel is keeping up the price way to high. The range of girls was better in Friday, and I did finally settle a deal – after a lot of negotiation. It seemed that none of the girls were willing to go down from $300 until after 3 o’clock, and I had to fight a lot to just make it $200 (which in my point of view is just too much). The hottest girls just walk away knowing they won’t get the $300, but it is easier to make some progress with the not so hot-girls (scale 6-7). At five o’clock one girl and I had agreed, I called my taxi driver, and everything seemed to work out just fine. That is until I reflected about what currency I had in my wallet. Since I am not in possession of dollars, but in grivnas I told her I would pay her in the local currency. She started to scream about some 2000 grivnas, while my taxidriver told her that $200 equals 1700 grivnas (which is correct). After some argumentation (shouting), I am just watching the scene right now, she told me that she would go if I wouldn’t hand her the 2000 grivnas. After having had a few drinks during the night, time almost getting close to half past five, and this turn-off of a new sudden price negotiation, I just let her go.
There were less girls on Saturday, and I arrived around 3 o’clock after been visiting some ordinary night clubs. Same kind of argumentation (russian accent): “My price 300 dollars. If no 300 dollars I go. Good luck!”. Or something like this, after telling them that I am a student: “Why you here, this place for lux-man. You student, you no money, bye-bye.” I did try to explain to them that I will be here a year, and that if we settle for a descent price, and if they are good, they would have the possibility to have me as a regular, meeting before/during her night sessions, once in a while. That it would be easy money for her, and that time would pay her back multiple if being street-smart. But useless. A little bit before 6 one of the girls shows up again, and agrees for 1200 grivna ($140) with a bonus of another 300 grivna ($35) if she is good. She agrees and we leave for my apartment. She stayed about one and a half hour (that was enough), we had sex twice and she was ok. She wanted me to take her phone number for more sessions in the future, but I declined since I didn’t think she was worth it.
A RP-experience is though much more of a GFE, than just visiting different apartments with girls, but it tends to get pretty expensive when you sum it up (entrance, taxi home for girl, drinks etc).
I will go with another student for so called apartment-girls tonight, so I hope they don’t have some kind of siesta just because it is Sunday.
I will try those Irish pubs in the centre the coming weeks.
The student dorms is a heaven with beautiful looking girls, but unfortunately it is an ocean between us until I get to know Russian.
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Dice, there are few things here that bother me.
First, it seems that if she was the culprit, Gergiev would have had a problem even if they went back to his hotel, if he was able to entertain her there. My guess is that she would have slipped more into drinks later to completely knock him out and then just steal him blind, not just the money he handed over at her location. Perhaps in this sense he was very lucky.
She is someone who has to be stopped because she is a thief and a criminal and whatever RP can do to make sure she does not enter the prmises or ever do the scam again would be welcome.
However, this is Ukraine. If she is regular, then she had to build a relationship with the RP employees, especially the barmen. They are the club's and the regular's eyes and ears. Now if she is slipping something into drinks there security cameras or the barman should have some recording of it or have noticed it. My experience is that not much gets by a barman.
Also, I do not think this would be her first time doing such things. I suspect that she has done this more than once with guys just not reporting it out of embarrassment, no recall of the events or just as Gergiev said, small price to pay for all the years of mongering.
One bad apple can ruin it for the many. Maybe RP just might respond and eliminate this element.I totally agree with what you say, she has to be found and banned from rp, I think its a good idea to call sasha the head of security, hes a decent sort who likes to keep clientele happy, a simple look at cctv will first of all id her, then who knows, further scrutiny might reveal either her or a barman tampering with a drink, anything is possible, as you say this is the ukraine, I just think she was not acting alone, and when it was decided they would go to her place, shes had a chance to do this, who knows? Either way it needs sorting, as it can happen again.
Sorry, just realised, that you said you left kiev on Monday, but writing to the manager or head of security would be a very good option.
JJS, yes I'm thousands of kilometres away at this stage and don't really want to rack up a huge bill on the phone to the venue on top of what I've already gone down.
Also it will be late 2010 at the earliest before I'm likely to be back in town.
But if I or somebody else can get an e-mail address for the place then I will certainly follow it through.
My main immediate concern was/is to ensure that nobody else who reads this forum ends up in the same situation as I did on the night.
UB & Dice, just to reiterate I can't be sure that I was doped but I'm really bamboozled as to why my recollection of everything apart form the main details is so sketchy.
And obviously she is in concert with her husband/boyfriend but she may indeed play the game properly if she comes back to your's but rip you off if you go back to their's, this could be the nature of their arrangement.
Plenty of working girls around the globe have partners/husbands who tolerate/live off their partner's activities which occur elsewhere but may have a different view of this happening on their doorstep.
Which could explain if she is a regular at RP how she could come and go without having a reputation for being a con-artist as normally she may deliver the goods in hotel/apartment conditions.
But take your money and throw you out if you end up at her's perhaps.
That's one possibility anyway...
If there are any more developments I'll update here.
VG.
Doctor_Skank
09-28-09, 06:55
UB & Dice, just to reiterate I can't be sure that I was doped but I'm really bamboozled as to why my recollection of everything apart form the main details is so sketchy.
And obviously she is in concert with her husband/boyfriend but she may indeed play the game properly if she comes back to your's but rip you off if you go back to their's, this could be the nature of their arrangement.
Gergiev, I've been drugged twice with "roofies" in Moscow (there have been discussions there as well) and both times I noticed I was more than abnormally drunk and managed to get home before totally passing out, although in the 2nd instance I was attacked by a guy wanting money. He didn't get any since I fought him off (or he gave up), but in my case as well from a certain point my memory of the incident and parts of the next day are gone forever.
It really sounds like you were drugged. I also believe if she didn't drug you in her apartment, she would have drugged you in yours (or hotel for that matter).
When in hotels, the better ones will usually not let a female guest leave without checking with the male hotel patron first to make sure everything is alright. This would likely discourage a girl from trying this in a hotel, although I am not sure if Ukrainian hotels have this policy.
AColonizer
09-28-09, 11:08
Fuke Boy, you are an hypocritical man, read the last reposts in this thread, they are blaming about prices and attitudes of prostitutes (and women) in Kiev.
Moreover, a lot of mongers write Ukrainian prostitutes are cheaper abroad than in Kiev: somebody says "go to Germany", somebody else says "go to Poland", and I wrote "Ukranians and Hungarians on Italian roads are cheaper than in Kiev and Budapest".
The problem is always the negotiate skill because everybody knows prostitutes are the most perfect market machines and, for instance, the same prostitute can make the same service in a price range between 0 and 1000 euros.
Anyway I am sure Kiev is a good destination for our holiday and we need to learn Slavic mindset before to start any kind of relationship with an Ukranian woman: I absolutely like Ukrainian women!
Instead I strongly suggest NOT to go to Moscow.
Colon, We do read this fucking forum but we also know better than to read what idiocy you post.
SoupDragon
09-28-09, 15:27
30 Sep - 3rd Oct
I am visiting Kiev with a friend between these dates. Thank you for all the advice on here. Feel free to email me if anyone is around at this time and interested in exchanging info over a beer or two. I think HunterDave is around?
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SoupDragon
09-28-09, 17:00
Any recommendations for Hotels which are emenable to female company?
I think I should be able to get a reasonable and central hotel for 60 gbp per night?
Most of them seem to offer weekend discounts.
AColonizer
09-28-09, 20:19
Hire a flat!
Any recommendations for Hotels which are emenable to female company? I think I should be able to get a reasonable and central hotel for 60 gbp per night? Most of them seem to offer weekend discounts.
Meashearim,
A limited budget and less than stellar living conditions do combine to make your search for companionship challenging. The ladies here, rich and poor, always are looking for someone higher up on the food chain to latch on to. It's no wonder the so-called "VIP wh0res" of RP had a disdain for you, a mere student. Seems you had the nerve to go beyond your social status and class.
You will find their all or nothing attitude with respect to prices infects so many aspects of life here. It applies to taxi drivers and apartment renovators, to just about any so-called service provider. They figure some other idiot will pay them their asking price if you will not. You are not worthy of their services if you cannot pay them what they want.
You come from another psychology and your logic and the possibility of "steady business later" makes sense to you, but it certainly has no effect on them. What real guarantee can you give them anyway, it sounds like empty promises that they have heard many times before? Seems you had this very same chance with the one you latched on to at the end of the night but in the end, you blew her off. No wonder your words mean nothing to them.
RP also makes no sense from another perspective. $200 or $300 for 2 or so hours, not to mention the entrance fee and drinks and then the taxi is too damned expensive a way to enjoy yourself, not to mention the small bottle of whiskey to the door attendant. I don’t think you have that much money to burn.
What I do suggest is to go to a site such as top-models. They have a search function with girls who speak English. Top rate for an hour is about 1,000 grivna or about $120 for the hour and with quite a number at much less. Also check out "real photo." This is not always accurate and many are very heavily photo-shopped but it is a start. Start calling and visiting. If you like anyone, you can stay. If you hit it off, you can ask for her private telephone number and then meet on a regular basis at the dorm or elsewhere. You can also try this as a serial "dater" with one or more apartment girls.
At least this way, you go the girl's working apartment, and no need to spend time in endless nonsense negotiations that may get nowhere, you still get to see the girl first, and the prices are much lower and no need to tip the doorman. If you do see her regularly, prices will drop and more time can be spent on enjoying yourself at much less cost.
By the way, what makes you think you can't get a GFE from an apartment girl? I would say your chances for that are just as good and maybe even better than at RP. The RP girls are more hard-core, jaded and greedy. In the apartments you will find all sorts, yes, these RP types, too, but also young and naive girls from the provinces. All kinds, as I say, and you may find a few gems. I have, from time to time. It comes down to how you treat them and how they relate your treatment.
One note when you do visit these apartments, you will also find what are termed "goblins." These are girls that are ugly as all hell - not all Ukrainian girls are good looking, and that may be news to some people but it is sadly true. It is no problem to come in, take a look at the offerings on hand, and then run for the hills without paying anything if the "choices" they offer is not what you want. They are used to such look and run tactics from locals, so you can and should do the exact same thing. And believe me, you will find places filled only with “goblins.”
As for the pubs, that's a hit or miss and it is just like everyplace else in this world. Good luck with that.
Gentleman Travel
09-28-09, 21:16
Colon, We do read this fucking forum but we also know better than to read what idiocy you post.
But why does everybody reading this fucking forum not listen to me??? I am the god of sex and I know everything. Why doesn't anybody pay me 200 dollars for one day sex?
P.S. For your information, I am a prostitute on Italian roads and I make swallow blowjobs for 20 euros but my asshole is free.
Congrats Uke Boy! You win the Bezarra prize for creative quoations!
Very funny, thanks!
Bez Bezarra
09-28-09, 21:28
That's not simply editing, its adding all kinds of new content.
I prefer to re-arrange only what's provided, to cut and paste what the author has given me to work with, mainly to condense all the extraneous bullshit to boil it down to its essence of moronic garbage. Any time I drop a hammer these days, I get deleted anyway.
On the other hand, Fuke Boy, does have his own special creative flair, and more importantly, he recognizes that Colon-lizard needs as much harassing as Mother Jackson will tolerate, and he steps up.
How 'bout one of MY little goblins??
Bez,
I can't even hope to match your priceless gems of editing but I try to do it my way and appreciate your comments.
I cannot think of anyone more deserving than Colon who adds a ton of useless and brainless shit to the forum.
As for your photo contributions, keep 'em coming, nice blondie and again, that couch!
F(uckin') Uke Boy!!
AColonizer
09-29-09, 08:47
Who is she? Your grandma? Did you go to Ukraine for her? And for the other ones too? You pay flight, accommodation and women to get the same quality of women (or worse) that you can get in the USA: congratulations, you won the Platinum Wussy Prize.
N. B. You like to waste a lot of time to post your charlatan "reports" just because your life is empty.
That's not simply editing, its adding all kinds of new content.
I prefer to re-arrange only what's provided, to cut and paste what the author has given me to work with, mainly to condense all the extraneous bullshit to boil it down to its essence of moronic garbage. Any time I drop a hammer these days, I get deleted anyway.
On the other hand, Fuke Boy, does have his own special creative flair, and more importantly, he recognizes that Colon-lizard needs as much harassing as Mother Jackson will tolerate, and he steps up.
How 'bout one of MY little goblins??
Firstly I would like to thank Gergiev (Valerii?)
I would imagine a lot of guys in this situation would not admit it publicly for fear of embarrassing themselves, so it takes some guts to own up to being taken for a ride like this. It's invaluable for us other punters to have this information, and of course it hopefully increases the chance of her being caught, and at least banned from RP, though she would only move elsewhere inevitably.
I think she was an opportunist. She was prepared to go down the normal route. Beware though I have heard stories (but no personal verification) of some Kyiv girls carrying drugs to disarm their victims...even in your hotel room you can imagine the loss if you fall unconscious - wallet, camera, phone. So be careful. Obviously a good hotel is safer and more of a deterrent because of security and CCTV. For those of us who use private apartments, it's a more real risk. Prevention: don't eat/drink anything which has been out of your sight.
This woman (I want to use a worse term), probably just saw the opportunity as you were on the way back to her apartment, and sent SMS to her "friend" to come scare the client....you're a tourist in unfamiliar part of town, and you wouldn't dare complain because of the embarrassment and hassle.
However, rather than complaining to police, complaining to RP is definitely the right thing to do. Hopefully someone who's there now and knows Sasha can make him aware of the problem, maybe with a printout of the original report and get an email for you to verify the problems you had and root out the evil b****
well first thing before you book a room is to hook up with her, no point in going to any expense, summers over so maybe she stopped work there, yes beside the macdonalds is the bridge that crosses the main busy road right? cross the bridge and check out the girls selling river cruises, maybe she will be there. your music producer? cool, i'm a guitarist, got a band in uk, what work you doing there? not sure about speed there, i've never really bothered, its not really my thing speed, no good for sex, thats the prob with that, do you have a heavy work schedule or something? in some pharmacies there i noticed they have a nose inhalor, its on the shelf, and its in english thats how i read the contents, and main ingredient is benzadrine, which is or was years ago an excellent amphetamine. you simply break the tube and take out the sponge type thing and squeeze it out into your drink or whatever, its good buzz, but like i say, not my thing now. whats the story of these girls you live with? tell me more?
Brotherrabitt
09-30-09, 16:00
First time in Kiev, and besides the fact that I fell in love every 15 minutes, a memorable experience.
I arrived saterday evening late, a friend and business partner picked me up from the airport, dropped my bags at the apprt he rented for me (400 grivna per night, 5-10 minutes by taxi from the centre), went to a couple of bars, fell in love for the first 50 times, went to sleep.
Next morning bought myself a new phone and local sim card, 25 Euro for a new simple Nokia + 100 grivna for the card, dead cheap here. As I was walking back some local cretins tried to pull the “drop the wallet on the street and accuse the stupid foreigner of having stolen my money” in which the “victim” of course was assisted by a “undercover” cop who happened to be right at the scene of the crime, how convenient. I fell for the initial “drop the wallet”-bit, ever the friendly guy helping out others, it was still early, had only 2 coffee, but basically no excuse, stupid mistake. I caught on quickly and told them in very plain English I would kick their buts as they had never been kicked before if they didn’t f-off, and off the boys went to the next victim. Gave me a good laugh though, mainly about myself.
Sunday was spent, besides falling in love a 100 times, with my friend, his friends, did the sights, had a excellent dinner at Goodman, drinks in the Buddha Bar, more drinks somewhere else and sleep again. Monday was all work, but I had organised through the internet a nice date with a 15 year younger beauty. We had a wonderful time, lots of promises about more in depth carnal knowledge, however as good Ukrainians girls go, “never the first time”, well I am a patient man, and as in business, one needs to prepare the ground for future results. After kissing goodbye, which took about 15 minutes, we kissed well together, and I felt her doubt about postponing the obvious, however she stood her ground and off she went. More than a little in the mood, I went to the famous River Palace. Total crap of course like most of these type of places, far too expensive and lots of bored looking women. I got to talk to one, ordered a drink, had a nice conversation, danced a little with her, and was about to finish my drink when…………I woke up in my apartment with all my cash gone, but still with cc, passport and all the other essentials required for international travel, they even left me my euro’s, just the grivna gone, approx 2.000. I have been travelling for business some 20+ years now and never had my drink spiked. Losing the grivna was not too bad, but they stole 4 hours of my life, I have absolutely no recollection of what happened. The stuff they gave me must have still allowed them to get a more or less sensible reply from me, but I can not remember a thing, zilch. And no boys and girls, I did not have too much to drink, I know exactly when to stop, just a few glasses of wine with the nice girl and maybe half a beer at RP.
I felt like shit waking up, bloodshot eyes and a Olympic size headache. Quick coffee and another day full of meetings. In the evening I called a girl whose name I got from another friend. I had an excellent time with her, I was still feeling groggy and very tired, but she was full of life and laughter, spoke very well English, I am sure I will see her again. Paid 150 USD, and will do so again. She told me that what happened to me at RP happens a lot there. Specially if you are alone, girls seem to work together with the security and police, put something in your drink and you are “gone”. They only take grivna to avoid complaints, and thinking about it, it seems like good business to take a little bit less each time, but being in a position to pull the scam lots of times. Nobody will create a stink about some cash, claiming the lady of the night robbed you, if they saw you leaving RP half drunk, with a smiling lady on your arm.
I will be in Kiev a lot in the future, and of course will become a regular at RP, my kind of place, boring women, expensive, they steal part of your life, and some cash, and leave you feeling shit all day, an offer I can’t refuse. Avalon I was told is a much better choice, not just pro’s, but all sorts of women, even “normal” ones if you are up for some old fashioned hunting, will check this out tonight I think.
I have to say, I am starting to love this place, besides a couple of scam artists, the people I have met privately and in business are nice and open for business. And of course falling in love every 15 minutes is a bonus, and the scams, ah well, chalk it up to experience, I do not really believe it is a “Kiev” problem, could have happened anywhere, and before a kind soul starts to give me advise about never leaving your drink on the bar when you are dancing, thank you from the bottom of my heart, next time I am dancing with a nice girl, I will surely remember to take my hand off her ass and hold my beer spilling it all over her dress. The primary reason to go to clubs like RP is that they are supposed to be safe and well controlled and not run by some low level thugs (well ok, maybe they all are run by low level thugs), in any case their rep should be worth something.
Bye for now.
Dude,
I have read this sentence in a trip advisor on travel trip hahahah did this really happen to you, in kretchatik you can find cops? LOL its very funny mate I'm here in kiev if you wanna hang out call me, I'm young 25 male I work as music producer if you wanna chill and save time get me a contact
Nazdarovia
Don't spend your cash in RP or gia.
Razkolnikov
09-30-09, 18:43
Both the infamous wallet scam (did you read about that in lonely planet?) and the spiked half beer (borrowing a bit of gergiev's thunder?) all in 48 hours?
I've heard some fucked up stories from the FSU, but honestly, yours I don't believe a word of, brotherrabitt.
At least perhaps your story will contribute to this city regaining some of it's scary wild east reputation. Sure could use less ignorant sex tourists raving around like it's disneyland and whining like faggots whenever the tiniest problem come along.
Cheers
Rabbit, you woke up in your apartment after they spiked your drink...how did they know where your apartment was? And what kind of thief only takes select currency. :D Sounds like you had a ‘Lost Weekend’ night.
Things may have gotten desperate at RP since the casino closed. But drugging clients is bad for business. I find it hard to imagine the management would condone this type of activity. And of course your free lance working girl is going to say bad things about RP, she doesn't want the competition. Some of the posters here are experts on RP. I’m just a casual visitor at best, perhaps they can chime in.
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