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Meashearim

09-30-09, 22:53

Uke Boy,

Excellent written, and thanks for your input. I actually went back to River Palace on Monday. I arrived maybe around 2 am with some friends, and we started to check out the place. Of the three times I have been at RP since Friday I liked Monday the best. Not so crowded, and in my case, I prefer if I don't have to economically compete with businessmen from Western Europe, arriving every weekend.

I got introduced to two students and started pretty quick to discuss price. The girl I talked to (scale 6+) wanted $250, I said it was too much, explained my situation, and said that we could meet any day in the week. I told her $150 and she said it was ok and gave her number. I could probably go lower, but at the moment I was satisfied.

I had some drinks while checking out the stage. Many girls seemed bored, and not much action was going on. A little bit before 3 am, a girl came in my way, we had changed some words on Friday, and I would grade her as a 9. Her body is lovely (silicone breast, perfect ass), and her age maybe around 28-32, one of top 5 girls at the RP that night. She asked me if I wanted to join her. I asked her price, and she told me $300 for one hour, $500 for two hours. I asked for a student price – and she said $250. I replied and said that I would go with her for $200. She instantly agreed, so it let me a little bit confused. First of all, if she is $200, then the $150 is an overprice for the student girl with at least 50 bucks. Second, I may have been too impulsive. It was not even three, and this negotiation was going to easy – compared to Friday and Saturday. But I guess the demand is a lot higher weekends. I had great sex, but she was a professional. She had her taxi parked outside (additional 100 grivna), so despite I insisted we would go with my taxi driver (50 grivna in comparison) that was out of question. And despite the fact that I, most likely, was her last costumer, she didn't stay one minute extra, and I was only allowed to have sex with her once, which I was aware of before we started the session. Besides, no pictures – and no kissing.

Goblins is a perfect description, and it is a sad fact that of approximately ten girls in an apartment, I would say both in Poland and in Ukraine, only two are fuckable. But on one hand these two girls can be really hot if you are lucky.

I will check out the top-models site. I have made some arrangements with the Slavic Standard website, a serious dating site. My friend is into this, and I also want to check it out, even though I initially fear that this may turn out to be an expensive adventure, with dinners, Prada-bags (forget it) and so on. But I shall not judge it until I have dated a few girls. My friend has already met about 6-8 Kiev-girls through this agency, but he is now aiming for countryside-girls, since the ladies from Kiev are "mentally corrupt, greedy, and just try to constantly rip you off" (I just love that line). Anyhow, my hope is to set up a RP-look a like – but to have her as a freebie, which would be more healthy for me in all aspects.

I really love River Palace, and can really recommend it to anyone. If the price would have been more reasonable, we are talking $75 – $150, I would have taken my stuff from the dorms and moved right away to RP.

You are right about the GFE-thing. I just had too little experience of RP before writing that – or I was just lucky with that first girl I brought home (Saturday), who really was nice as a person.

How about other places? I finally got my hands over a Kyiv-guide, and I can see that several places advertise in it, including RP. Strip clubs like Millenium, Heaven, Paradise, Red Lion, Joss, and loads of massage institutes. But maybe those places only offers lap-dance, happy end, etc?

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Fox7717

10-01-09, 00:38

...18 months ago this type of shit is happening at RP, but no one seemed to believe me! Agreed, it is pretty rare though.

I have sunk enough booze in my time to know the difference between one too many and a spiked drink!

Have been much more careful since!!

fox 7717

Gergiev

10-01-09, 02:10

I would imagine a lot of guys in this situation would not admit it publicly for fear of embarrassing themselves, so it takes some guts to own up to being taken for a ride like this. It's invaluable for us other punters to have this information, and of course it hopefully increases the chance of her being caught, and at least banned from RP, though she would only move elsewhere inevitably.

Thanks Knight.

Actually due to the anonymity of the forum here it's relatively straightforward to post up something like this even if it does expose me in a less than flattering light probably.

When my first stab at reporting this was demolished by my computer last week I wasn't sure if I wanted to bother pursuing it but reading a specific request similar to my own saga spurred me back into action.

This woman (I want to use a worse term), probably just saw the opportunity as you were on the way back to her apartment, and sent SMS to her "friend" to come scare the client....you're a tourist in unfamiliar part of town, and you wouldn't dare complain because of the embarrassment and hassle.

Well certainly it worked.

Put it like this, I had little doubt if I lingered any longer things were going to get unpleasant in some way or other.

However, rather than complaining to police, complaining to RP is definitely the right thing to do. Hopefully someone who's there now and knows Sasha can make him aware of the problem, maybe with a printout of the original report and get an email for you to verify the problems you had and root out the evil b****

Certainly if somebody has e-mail contact for Sasha I will forward the details.

From my own extensive experience in the club/hospitality business I'd be reasonably confident nobody at RP was involved.

I was weighing up the staff for a while when I entered as I'm inclined to do and formed a positive opinion.

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Not quite sure what to make of our friend Brother Rabbit's post.

Taken at face value it would appear to be a kind of validation of last week's events.

But read from a different angle it almost comes across as a satire of what I reported?

VG.

Brotherrabitt

10-01-09, 11:01

......ISG at its' best, one thing the spiked drink did not erase from my memory is why I stopped posting here some three years ago, those reasons all came back.

In any case, it's not satire, I am not making light of other people's problems Gergiev, it happened and if the clever guys reading this detect some sort of patern, so much the better. My "ring leader" Victoria even gave me the name of these type of girls, they feminise the trade name of the drug, something like vitalonascka's or whatever, I do not speak russian, but you catch my drift. Apparently not so uncommon as some might think, and during dinner with my business friends yesterday evening, they confirmed the RP rep. But of course, it's a free world, believe what you want, make comments as much as you want, doubt my personal credibility as much as you want, all that is not my problem and please be my guest.

Went to Avalon yesterday evening, left my drink on the bar, went dancing and lo and behold, nothing happened, I still remember everything (or maybe I invented that as well, who knows), good talent also, called Victoria who sent me one of her friends, did not like her very much, so gave her 500 grivna taxi money and went to bed.

And yes, the women here are very very beautiful, a feast to the eyes, falling in love is easy, or do I mean falling in lust, ok, maybe you are right, and it is lust and not love, but allow a guy his dreams ok ?

I will be back here in 4-5 weeks, will spend another week here, I am sure I will enjoy my trip than as much I did enjoy this one, and who knows, maybe I will post some more of my experiences here, or maybe I will wait another three years.

Bye for now

ps; google "drugs used to spike drinks", you can read the effects these drugs can have, you can be completely lucid whilst spiked, give them all the information they want and still not remember a thing the next day. Also my friend Victoria gave me names of better places to go to and find nice (semi) pro's, so it is not about bad-mouthing the competition at all, that would be a little silly in a town like Kiev with its' large number of women involved in this business. She operates a "stable" for one of the german multinationals here, she is a very good personal friend of one of my friends here, and she wants me and the other business partners of my friend to be safe, so let's not try to kill the message through doubting the credibility of the messenger. I might write about my experience lightly, but I am seriously worried about what happened, I have been travelling for 25 years in emerging markets/third world countries, been put in jail for "visa" problems, been shot at, etc. I have my share of experiences and "war" stories most of us have when involved in lots of travel. This was a new experience and basically the first time somebody put something in my body without asking first :). And yes I am worried when I hear from others that it happens more often there, and I really do not care if the management thinks it is good for business, I have made some very bad decisions myself in my business, and open any newspaper etc etc. Why didn't they take my euro's ? I do not know, but why would I try to understand the logic of some one who spikes the drink of another person, run the risk that he keels over from a heart attack, or sails into a permanent coma for a couple of thousand grivna, euro's or dollars ? I am writing/sharing what happened to me and what I hear about this place. The world is not black and white, others I know have had a great time at RP, but that is not the point. This shit is not supposed to happen in an upscale foreigner oriented "pro" bar, point, full stop, no argument, not.

Kob00

10-01-09, 13:55

Well as far for restaurants, cafe, and wifi you would like to take the bus 230 infront of Jacknjohns in Kreshatick which lead you to outside center near ukrayina shopping mall you won't get lost because its a mall and over there are really nice coffe I recommend. Cafe xay3 which means cafe house, the dyev. There wanna make extra cash but chut chut engl. Talent. Near it you can find the sushi place which has the name shushiya its attractive, the sushi is class B but you can do good shit there also. If you walk further, you can find the macdo after the bridge on same line, they have fine drive thru, at the back of this drive thru lots of pros. Hanging out for a 500 grn a night. If you have a car go for them.

If you have chance to reach" pochtova ploscha" which has nice restaurants its near the only river dnipro. There are shitty names like puzza hatta don't go for it its ukr. Cuisine bad stuff. There are lots of nice resto. Like lets say mr. Snack. Oh by the way on kreshatick you can find mr. Snack tooo on the end of the road facing arena center.

As for clubs. Well all are same. If you have chance to go out of kiev like 100 km or less you can find cheaper women in bar's.

So this is up for now

Koko

Tremayne

10-01-09, 20:51

Cruiser D

10-02-09, 04:39

AColonizer

10-02-09, 09:45

Where is the "crisis"? Prices are always high: does "session" mean "a fuck"?

T, I agree with you. Once a drink has left my sight that's the end of the drink for me, whether I'm in NYC, Paris or Kyiv.

Meash, I wouldn't even bother with RP. Once you learn Russian you'll be finding pro's on flirt.com.ua for $60-$80 a session.

Jojosun

10-02-09, 11:23

T, I agree with you. Once a drink has left my sight that's the end of the drink for me, whether I'm in NYC, Paris or Kyiv.

Meash, I wouldn't even bother with RP. Once you learn Russian you'll be finding pro's on flirt.com.ua for $60-$80 a session.The only time my drink was spiked, was in one of the safeset cities in the world, in the shinjuku area of TOKYO, and I have been mongering my way round the world for years.

THE drink got spiked by the african manager bouncer of the hostess club there.

SO there you have it, it can happen anywhere in the world.

MY Russian is limited to 3 words, and I got a good list out of FLIRT.com.

A better option is top models and escorts models, where you have the prices. And telephone nos and language option.

Brotherrabitt

10-02-09, 11:45

Not really, just a compensation for the fact that she had to miss out a truly unbelievable session with a fine male specimen like I :).

that girl you gave 500 grivna to for a taxi, where was she going Yalta?

Brotherrabitt

10-02-09, 22:42

One thing that was mentioned was that there are some guys who when they get a snub from one of the girls will then complain next day that the girl robbed them.

Sure, I did not even want to get into this discussion with them, certainly this will happen as well, and the girls involved make sure they do not overdo it, exactly the arguments mentioned here: "why not the euro's, or the cc's or your passport", they might be low life cretins, but not completely stupid.

Tremayne

10-03-09, 12:22

Sure, I did not even want to get into this discussion with them, certainly this will happen as well, and the girls involved make sure they do not overdo it, exactly the arguments mentioned here: "why not the euro's, or the cc's or your passport", they might be low life cretins, but not completely stupid.

Yes, they always have an answer for such allegations, although to be fair sometimes the customers do make false allegations. I stood at the bar in RP and witnessed a guy say to a girl who had just turned his proposition down '**** you ***** I'll get you barred, the owner is a personal friend of mine'

Her way of dealing with this was a classic, she immediately went all round the club speaking to every girl and pointing with her outstretched arm at the guy. I don't think he got any action that night.

Cruiser D

10-03-09, 17:10

Geez, why is everyone the personal friend of the owner of the club? ;)

Rabbit, your stories are a bit hard to believe. 500uah for a taxi ride for a girl you didn't want? 50uah will get her anywhere the metro goes. If you are stupid enough to call up an agency and say 'send me a girl' and a troll shows up I guess you are obliged to give her some money for the taxi (remember most agencies have their own drivers). But if you say you want an 18 year old princess and a troll shows up it's well within convention to say 'bye' and shut the door.

Brotherrabitt

10-04-09, 00:09

Rabbit, your stories are a bit hard to believe.

.....but it is not really important what you believe Cruiser, or, should I say, not important at all.

Brotherrabitt

10-04-09, 08:06

.....personality issues involved here in this forum, ah well, nothing new on ISG. Just flame on brother, have fun.

Its a total story rabbit, anyway, tell us about when you got shot at, im really intrigued, or about when you were in a jail in some hell hole. cruisers right you could have went anywhere the metro goes for 50. i really cant think why you have come up with that stort about all this?

Meashearim

10-04-09, 18:30

Cruiser D

10-04-09, 22:03

Rabbit, it's just that your stories make no sense. But what in this crazy world does. ;)

When I was in Kyiv in May I, the Frugal Fuhrer gave a girl 400uah for a taxi ride back to some town outside of Kyiv. But I had been talking to the girl for a couple of years. Stuff happens.

Jojosun

10-05-09, 08:48

They mention five strip clubs in the Kiev-guide from the tourist agency (Millenium, Heaven, Paradise, Red Lion, Joss), and also plenty of massage institutes. I wonder if it is possible to have PP-action on these places, or if they only offer lap dances or an happy end? I want action, not a teaser. What's your experience here? Or shall I stick to River Palace, apartments, and escort websites?Hi Meash.

I wouldn't bother with millenium, but try Rio, fab girls, and a nice club according to kiev veterans take out is available for $300.

I tried TIXI omut see my report, it is on the east side, it does have a sauna on site, and according to one poster some action is available for 500 uah upstairs. I didn't have time to investigate further, and I would recommend a lovely blond girl, there by the name of Vlada she speaks excellent english.

Entrance is 70 uah and drinks reasonable and it is next to XATA RABATA a fish restaurant, bang on the river.

Brotherrabitt

10-05-09, 10:36

....let me try to explain. Victoria who organised this girl, is a good friend of a friend and somebody we will need again in the future to organise girls for us and our clients, I have for example organised a "3 day all inclusive" trip for 5 of my european clients for next week, Victoria will make sure there are plenty of nice girls available for them. She did not send me a troll, by any standard the girl was quite pretty, firm hard body and wearing a dress tjhat revealed all her very nice curves, however we just didn't hit it off, happens sometimes, and is no problem, not her fault. So, gave her some money, kiss on the cheek, I am too tired after all, see you next time, ciao baby. No scandal, no bad vibes, no problems for the girl, no suggestion of misbehaviour to Victoria. Elegant.

In more general terms Cruiser, and take this as a friendly suggestion, from my first post, you flame, you doubt, my credibility, whatever, as far as I am concerned the "absolute logic"-syndrome, or believing your logic is always true and universal, and if a person does something not applying your logic, you flame, doubt, whatever. To make a very metrosexual remark, that is not very nice :). I am a sensitive person you know, you have hurt my feelings ;).

Now, be nice to the new kid Cruiser, or I WILL give you Victoria''s number and ask her to send you a 125 kg, coalmining, russian tractor resembling whench from the East, with a voice like a chainsaw, who will ride you with her black pit until your dick and balls shrivvel to the size of peanuts, unless you are in this type of thing, then I will figure out something else :).

Just pulling your chain man, keep it light.

Ciao

BR

Rabbit, it's just that your stories make no sense. But what in this crazy world does. ;)

When I was in Kyiv in May I, the Frugal Fuhrer gave a girl 400uah for a taxi ride back to some town outside of Kyiv. But I had been talking to the girl for a couple of years. Stuff happens.

CallSign Papa

10-05-09, 11:55

Been a bit slack getting this report wrote, seeing as I was in Kyiv nearly a month ago.

I and two friends were keen to escape the summer heat in Dubai and with Ramadan nearly over, and as I'd been crowing over the talent and general merriment to be had in Kyiv, that's where we headed.

I had to admit, I was slightly worried that I'd oversold the city. I'd mentioned the beautiful women, the wonderful beer, the tasty food and the fact that all of the above could be obtained for significantly less than what we pay in the UAE. However, our beers hadn't even arrived as we sat on Kreshatyk and both my friends were nursing borderline whiplash from the constant stream of pretty girls wondering by.

We stayed in an apartment just off Maidan, absolutely ideal.

So, to the action.

Ready for a night on the town we wandered over to Buddha Bar, but as it wasn't even 8pm it was understandably quiet. Talking to one of the waitresses, she mentioned Shooters as the place to go, but having been there before it doesn't usually get going until midnight, so we headed over to O'Brians and I gave my friends a brief introduction to speaking Russian (please, thanks, how much? etc).

On to Shooters and it was great to be heading back up the steps and through the door. I think it was about 60 grivnas, but included a drink (anything with redbull), and it was probably half full when we arrived. At this point, we had already decided that we'd hit the strip club tonight instead of Saturday (in the hope it'd be less busy patron-wise).

Towards 2pm (with me in full conversation with what I suspected was a semi-pro) the boys decided it was time for girls to undress and away we went (I got her number). I've only ever been to Rio and never had a bad time there, so that's where we ended up. If you've never been, make sure when you go that you get taken through to the back, otherwise you'll be in the 'foyer bar' which also has a stage but is lacking any decent action. One hour and several intimate lapdances later we're ready for a club, but then one of group decides it's time to just get laid, so off we go to RP.

I'm ambivalent about RP to say the least. Meet a girl in most other bars and chances are, if you can speak russian or they can speak english, you'll have an interesting conversation. Sprinkle on a little charm and who knows what might happen, but in RP they seem a lot colder. Anyway, we're there to fuck 'em not make friends I guess.

We only stay for 30 minutes because my two friends have already hooked up (both secured blonde girls for $200 but it was gone 3am by this point). I didn't see anything i liked and instead decided to call the girl i'd spoke to in Shooters. Her phone was off. And I had to get a cab back on my own because there was no room for me in the other cab.

At this point I'm trying to be philosophical about the evening and failing, but then I get a call from Nadya, she got my missed call. She agreed to come meet me in maidan (I told her my apartment was close), but we didn't talk about money, so i was still unsure if she was p2p. We got back to the apartment and the other two bedroom doors were locked with no noise to be heard thankfully, and so we relaxed on the couch with some johnny walker and some mtv.

Maybe half an hour later we're on my bed kissing and she's already half undressed when she seems to remember to ask about money. I ask how much, she says $200 for two hours, I say $150 and to stay till morning, she takes her bra off and $200 it is! She agreed to stay longer though.

Maybe I was a bit drunk (or a lot drunk) but the whole thing seemed quite intimate, very GFE and she was certainly built for fun. Any thoughts of morning fun were quickly dispelled when she woke me at 8am and asked for her money (maybe the first time for me a girl hasn't asked for it up front). I had a raging hangover and was happy for her to leave. I said I'd call (and did) but we didnt hook up for the rest of the trip, definitely next time though.

I got the impression she's not been a sem-pro for long, she said she was 23 but looked a few years older (27 maybe), but a very sweet girl. As for the boys, one of them was extremely disappointed at how the 'hottie' he'd picked up, suddenly turned into a 'nottie' when she undressed, funny how that happens sometimes. We laughed about it later.

To be continued...

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CallSign Papa

10-05-09, 12:46

Ever fired a kalashnikov? It's terrific fun, it really is. Unless you have a stonking hangover, in which case, you're stood there with your eyes half shut, lapsidaisically pointing an automatic weapon at a target wishing your mummy was there to make everything better.

Two hours later and we're back in the centre for some hair of the dog. I've said it before and I'll say it again, for me Ukrainian beer is in the top three beers of the world. It's cheap, it's tasty and as often as not, you want to bang the girl who's bringing it to you.

The plan for the saturday evening was very simple, hit a few bars and do our level best to secure hot girls before the need to visit RP surfaced. Well, all I can say is, the best laid plans of mice and men.

We again started at Buddha Bar, which on the saturday already had some knock-out women about at 8pm. Problem is, the prettier they are, the more unapproachable they seem, so we removed ourselves to Barsky where the girls are very approachable.

We found space by the bar and were talking to four very charming girls, clearly not p2p and very probably not even semi-pro. We're a few drinks in and the girls suggest we all decamp to Patipa (not our first choice, but probably a better club if you're there with girls). We've had a few drinks, and leave but Patipa ISN'T a better club even if you're there with girls. Who want drinks. And drink fast.

I didn't mind us paying for a few drinks, but we didn't seem to be getting anywhere with them, in fact, they were a bit more distant once there (maybe embarrased about being there with foreigners?) and so we cut our losses and guess where we ended up.

Inexplicably, my friends start talking to the two girls they'd taken the night before. I was stood at the bar not believing my eyes. Funny what beer does to a bloke. And of course, they now can't shake these two when they come back to the bar. There are maybe 30 girls all better looking and potentially better in bed, but at the end of the evening my idiot friends left with the same two girls, for the SAME PRICE.

It gets worse.

Seeing me without a girl, they call their friend over. She's pretty enough, dark hair, slightly italian looking, maybe a bit of romanian. But I start talking to her because I don't want to be a prick and she turns out to be quite fun. And the other guys want to leave already. She says I get a special price, $200 for two hours. It's late, I'm tired and she has all the right bits in the right places. So off we all go.

I can't remember her name, but she was like a Macdonalds, convenient but ultimately unfulfilling. My own fault and my excuse is that I took one for team.

I sound like a whinging git, but we really had a great weekend, Kyiv is a LOT of fun.

(Even when you miss your flight home because they've shut the bridge down to one lane, on a saturday afternoon, and then have to pay $500 for another ticket, and wait 9 hours for the next flight, even then it's worth it!)

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Barmer67

10-05-09, 19:34

On the next trip to Kiev I’m planning to take some time off work and take my local girl to some spa resort.
Can anyone recommend something like that in the Kiev vicinity (not more than 30-50km away, don’t want to waste my time on the roads).
Something in the forest or near the river, with saunas, spa treatments, massages, you know, but something with stile, not one of those Soviet stile sanatoriums ….

Thanks for the advice.
Barmer

Billy Elliot

10-06-09, 02:13

Hey, am a London lad in Kiev on the weekend 14/15/16 November, but travelling alone. Anyone heading to the RP or Arena on any of those nights?

Staying at the Rus Hotel so not sure what the go is with bringing girls home (I assume security just gets some dosh and they then ignore it).

Cheers

Uke Boy,

Excellent written, and thanks for your input. I actually went back to River Palace on Monday. I arrived maybe around 2 am with some friends, and we started to check out the place. Of the three times I have been at RP since Friday I liked Monday the best. Not so crowded, and in my case, I prefer if I don't have to economically compete with businessmen from Western Europe, arriving every weekend.

I got introduced to two students and started pretty quick to discuss price. The girl I talked to (scale 6+) wanted $250, I said it was too much, explained my situation, and said that we could meet any day in the week. I told her $150 and she said it was ok and gave her number. I could probably go lower, but at the moment I was satisfied.

I had some drinks while checking out the stage. Many girls seemed bored, and not much action was going on. A little bit before 3 am, a girl came in my way, we had changed some words on Friday, and I would grade her as a 9. Her body is lovely (silicone breast, perfect ass), and her age maybe around 28-32, one of top 5 girls at the RP that night. She asked me if I wanted to join her. I asked her price, and she told me $300 for one hour, $500 for two hours. I asked for a student price – and she said $250. I replied and said that I would go with her for $200. She instantly agreed, so it let me a little bit confused. First of all, if she is $200, then the $150 is an overprice for the student girl with at least 50 bucks. Second, I may have been too impulsive. It was not even three, and this negotiation was going to easy – compared to Friday and Saturday. But I guess the demand is a lot higher weekends. I had great sex, but she was a professional. She had her taxi parked outside (additional 100 grivna), so despite I insisted we would go with my taxi driver (50 grivna in comparison) that was out of question. And despite the fact that I, most likely, was her last costumer, she didn't stay one minute extra, and I was only allowed to have sex with her once, which I was aware of before we started the session. Besides, no pictures – and no kissing.

Goblins is a perfect description, and it is a sad fact that of approximately ten girls in an apartment, I would say both in Poland and in Ukraine, only two are fuckable. But on one hand these two girls can be really hot if you are lucky.

I will check out the top-models site. I have made some arrangements with the Slavic Standard website, a serious dating site. My friend is into this, and I also want to check it out, even though I initially fear that this may turn out to be an expensive adventure, with dinners, Prada-bags (forget it) and so on. But I shall not judge it until I have dated a few girls. My friend has already met about 6-8 Kiev-girls through this agency, but he is now aiming for countryside-girls, since the ladies from Kiev are "mentally corrupt, greedy, and just try to constantly rip you off" (I just love that line). Anyhow, my hope is to set up a RP-look a like – but to have her as a freebie, which would be more healthy for me in all aspects.

I really love River Palace, and can really recommend it to anyone. If the price would have been more reasonable, we are talking $75 – $150, I would have taken my stuff from the dorms and moved right away to RP.

You are right about the GFE-thing. I just had too little experience of RP before writing that – or I was just lucky with that first girl I brought home (Saturday), who really was nice as a person.

How about other places? I finally got my hands over a Kyiv-guide, and I can see that several places advertise in it, including RP. Strip clubs like Millenium, Heaven, Paradise, Red Lion, Joss, and loads of massage institutes. But maybe those places only offers lap-dance, happy end, etc?

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AColonizer

10-06-09, 03:19

Yes, the same Slavic trick: a "special price for you", the triple of the double price for you only ;)

For your convenience, if you want covered oral and vaginal sex, the rate is 450 grivnas/first hour and looking around you can find 300$ for one DAY.

You, men, should understand:

- men should agree only when prices are Ukrainian sized;

- women often don't want any kind of negotiation;

- men often should come back home with no woman if price is not Ukrainian sized;

Cut losses also means: "OK, I payed a flight, an accommodation, everything to come to a Eastern country, but I didn't pay to make me scammed."

And Read This Fucking Forum BEFORE to leave your country!!!

Seeing me without a girl, they call their friend over. She's pretty enough, dark hair, slightly italian looking, maybe a bit of romanian. But I start talking to her because I don't want to be a prick and she turns out to be quite fun. And the other guys want to leave already. She says I get a special price, $200 for two hours. It's late, I'm tired and she has all the right bits in the right places. So off we all go.

Hal Johnson

10-06-09, 08:26

I am traveling to Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova and Latvia for several months.

I am wondering where is the best place to live. I don't speak any Russian but I am planning on learning very quickly.

I love blondes and am looking for freebies. I also would like to live in the most inexpensive country of the four, but I want to live somewhere where there is still a pretty good social scene. In other words, if Belarus is cheaper than Ukraine, but there are lots more opportunities in Ukraine for freebies and blondes, than I would live in Ukraine.

What do you guys recommend? Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate it! You guys have great pics and stories all through the forum which I have enjoyed.

Thanks!

Kurenda

10-06-09, 12:52

Don't know from which country are you but first pick a location where you don't need a visa.
Belarus is not among this places since you will need a visa which is costly and sometimes problematic to get.
So the best option is Ukraine i.e. Kiev. Lot's of opportunities and things are much easier compared to Belarus for example.
After all just check the total number of forum posts at this moment:
Belarus - 520
Ukraine - 11,625
Why do you think is like this?
If I'm at your place I would stay in Kiev and go wild there and maybe occasionally check Chisinau just for change.
This is advice if your interest is mostly mongering. If you're looking country just for living then it needs much deeper exploring. Depending what you want. For example Belarus is much tight and stricter country and society and Ukraine is much easier and liberal. If we look at foreigners you can find them much much more living in Ukraine then in Belarus. Belarus is simply not for everybody.
And about learning russian very quickly you'll find it easier said than done.

El Cubanito

10-06-09, 13:17

I am a mongerer of Cuba, Dominican Republic, Costa Rica and other latin american countries. I am interested in going to the Ukriane, but I am not sure which city is best for me. I do not speak Russian, just some basic words. The question is would I score or would strike out in this country. I have a very good and enegetic personality. I am also pretty decent looking. I looked like Delko, from the show CSI:Miami. I am of Cuban heritage if you have not fugure out. Well, let me know how well I will do or how bad I will do without really knowing the language. I am planning on being there for 10 days.

Explorer69

10-06-09, 16:00

El Cubanito

10-06-09, 22:48

It can be said in one word: KIEV!!

If you read the forum you easily understand why!

So go to Kiev. ok

Kob00

10-07-09, 07:08

For people who speak Russian, dude understand this or else you need to go to Premier Palace Hotel and spend over 20,000$ in a month or 3 weeks to satisfy your needs. You're free.

CallSign Papa

10-07-09, 07:12

Cut losses also means: "OK, I payed a flight, an accommodation, everything to come to a Eastern country, but I didn't pay to make me scammed."

And Read This Fucking Forum BEFORE to leave your country!!!Chill brother, I visit kiev regularly enough to know when I'm overpaying (and in RP, you ALWAYS overpay), but I was there with friends and didn't want to spoil the mood for everyone else.

If I'm there on my own I usually pick up contacts on mamba.ru for a week before I leave and rarely pay more than $150 even for top class poontang.

Horses for courses.

Hal Johnson

10-07-09, 08:47

Meashearim

10-07-09, 17:24

I just wonder how to get girls for 450 grivnas/hour.

Definitely not at River Palace. And the girls at the apartments cost 900–1200 grivnas if you want the best apartment-girls.

Basically I only look for top-of-the-line-girls, and I would love if they only cost 450 grivnas/hour (now we are talking!).

During the two weeks I have spent in Kiev I have been 7 times at the River Palace, and brought home 5 RP-girls so far. I guess all girls go when you tell them $200, and there is absolutely no need to pay more.

The problem gets to bringing down the price more. It is not such a problem when coming to students and average-looking girls, but the best RP-girls are pretty hard to negotiate with, even though my friend went with a very hot girl for only 1000 grivnas (120 dollar). It was the second time with her, so I guess it was some kind of discount, and time had also passed 4 o'clock.

Interesting is that most girls go home alone if they have a "bad" night. Their motto seems to be "better no business than 'bad' business". And I cannot help smiling inside when I see this happen night after night. Have they ever heard of the expression Supply and demand?

Last night a whole bunch of Ukrainian businessmen entered, I guess only for drinks and some fun (read observation). But I wonder how much a local pay at these places. Having in mind how much (little) they make a month there is no way they pay as much as we do. And I wonder when I will be paying these prices.

I do not know how it would be going to a fancy place like Arena, but my friends told me that the girls there are even more cold-hearted and greedy than the RP-girls, only looking for free drinks, entrances, expensive dinners, and pampam – suddenly you are in a Prada-store shopping – without getting anything back.

"Men often should come back home with no woman if price is not Ukrainian sized". Sounds as a good idea I will try to implement more often than so far – but you always want a good start of a new journey...

Yes, the same Slavic trick: a "special price for you", the triple of the double price for you only ;)

For your convenience, if you want covered oral and vaginal sex, the rate is 450 grivnas/first hour and looking around you can find 300$ for one DAY.

You, men, should understand:

- men should agree only when prices are Ukrainian sized;

- women often don't want any kind of negotiation;

- men often should come back home with no woman if price is not Ukrainian sized;

Cut losses also means: "OK, I payed a flight, an accommodation, everything to come to a Eastern country, but I didn't pay to make me scammed."

And Read This Fucking Forum BEFORE to leave your country!!!EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

Diceman

10-07-09, 22:27

I was also leaning for Kiev for the following reasons, I'm a US citizen, no visa needed. Also, it seems like there is more mongering to be done there.

Also, hopefully, I assume lots more freebies who understand English.

Based on what you said, the culture seems to be more liberal than Belarus so maybe the freebies would also be easier.

1. The only hesitation I had was whether there are more blondes in Belarus than in Ukraine.

2. Also, since Belarus is less explored, it is cheaper and easier for a foreigner to pick up freebies.

I would be interested to hear from you guys abour your thoughts on this?

Based on what you have told me thus far, I will stay in Kiev and go on trips to Belarus, Russia and Moldova.

Any ideas for me on how to set up some easy freebies before I get there. Do you recommed any good dating sites that I can check out prior to getting over there? What about those marriage sites? I am definitely not interested in getting married but are there any ways to meet some easy freebies who want to meet foreigners through those sites? Any you would recommend?

Thanks so much for all the advice. It is very helpful. I am really excited and looking forward to this extended trip.Hal, there are a lot of factors involved here, about freebies obviously thats determined on how young /handsome you are, always the case, or maybe your average guy but charming and can get them this way? Who knows anything is possible in ukraine, I think if you take all the former soviet states in general the blonde will be the same, estonia, latvia, belarus, ukraine, its all much of a muchness, I've been to all above mentioned and after all theses years I still can't separate them on quality, if I had to choose I would say latvian girls are the sexiest I've come across, but then again Estonions are awesome, I been in Vilnius and seen total model quality girls but there is not enough of them, whereas kiev they are plentiful. Thats befor we even talk about odessa/moscow/saint petersburg. Forget about belarus, stick with kiev, its def cosmopolitan and has a nice vibe.

Hal Johnson

10-08-09, 06:50

Diceman,

I will definitely be making Kiev my homebase.

Thanks for the insights.

I appreciate it.

CallSign Papa

10-08-09, 11:23

Hal, there are a lot of factors involved here, about freebies obviously thats determined on how young /handsome you are, always the case, or maybe your average guy but charming and can get them this way? Who knows anything is possible in ukraine, I think if you take all the former soviet states in general the blonde will be the same, estonia, latvia, belarus, ukraine, its all much of a muchness, I've been to all above mentioned and after all theses years I still can't separate them on quality, if I had to choose I would say latvian girls are the sexiest I've come across, but then again Estonions are awesome, I been in Vilnius and seen total model quality girls but there is not enough of them, whereas kiev they are plentiful. Thats befor we even talk about odessa/moscow/saint petersburg. Forget about belarus, stick with kiev, its def cosmopolitan and has a nice vibe.Diceman,

I'd go a bit further and say that despite age and looks, to pick up freebies in Kiev you have to know Russian. Being able to make jokes in russian gets you further than a nice haircut and fumbling english imo.

Kurenda

10-08-09, 11:31

Hal pay attention to this:
Most "blonde" nation are baltic states like Lastvia and Estonia.
In Ukraine if you go to very south there will be more dark haired people becuase of the greek influence. In average there will be more blond people in Ukraine than in Latvia since Ukraine has more than 10 times bigger population.
No matter Belarus is less explored for a foreigner it's more costly country than Ukraine. In Belarus there's simple rule: everything domestic is cheap and everything western and imported is VERY costly. If we talks about good time, night life and availability of sex Kiev is XXX times better than Minsk.
If you stay in Kiev and want to go to Belarus and Russia it will be harder than you think. Since you're US citizen belarusian visa you can get only back home. Belarus law doesn't allow to get their visa in third country. There are exceptions but it's very costly. On the other hand you can get russian visa in Kiev if you have a permanent stay in Ukraine but usually it's bitchy because of strain relations between Ukraine and Russia. So the best is to make trips to Moldova and Poland and also baltic states but only by air.
About making prior contacts try dating sites like mamba but don't rely much on it. Don't use any "marriage agency" they are mostly after your money and big rip off.

Bez Bezarra

10-08-09, 15:41

I just wonder how to get girls for 450 grivnas/hour.

Apartments cost 900–1200 grivnas if you want the best girls.

I would love if they only cost 450 grivnas/hour.

During two weeks in Kiev I have been 7 times at River Palace.

To bring down the price more, time had passed 4 o'clock.

I wonder how much a local pays.

You need to realize what year this is, and what city you're in, and you'll soon come to the realization that you've missed the $50 boat you think you are going to find.

You're in the capital, and hotties don't sell themselves to foreigners for $50 there anymore! You're at least 10 years too late for those prices.

As for sitting around every night drinking and waiting until 4 o'clock in the morning to get a girl, just to save $80, well, that must be some kind of young man's fantasy. To me, sleeping all day is just not an option that makes any sense.

By the way, where's the fotos of the five $200 River Palace girls you've paid for????

CallSign Papa

10-08-09, 15:48

You need to realize what year this is, and what city you're in, and you'll soon come to the realization that you've missed the $50 boat you think you are going to find.

You're in the capital, and hotties don't sell themselves to foreigners for $50 there anymore! You're at least 10 years too late for those prices.

As for sitting around every night drinking and waiting until 4 o'clock in the morning to get a girl, just to save $80, well, that must be some kind of young man's fantasy. To me, sleeping all day is just not an option that makes any sense.

By the way, where's the fotos of the five $200 River Palace girls you've paid for????Sorry Bez, no camera's on the last trip, however I will make a special effort when I'm there next just for you.

Hal Johnson

10-08-09, 16:03

Kurenda,

Thanks for answering my questions. This information is very helpful.

I am in the process of getting visas for Belarus and Russia. You are right, it is a complicated process.

I will definitely have decided Kiev is best. Now, my strategy is to line up some freebies before I get there using Mamba and Flirt.

I will write some questions in the other Ukraine thread regarding finding an apartment. Since, I am a student, I would like to find something in the $200-300 USD a month. Is that possible?

Thanks again for the advice!

Meashearim

10-08-09, 19:49

Well, then I can relax, I just don't want to feel that I am getting cheated (too much), so if this is the scenario for the rest of you guys, I am fine with it. I had started to think that I was missing out of some goldmine here in Kiev, but as you say – I am at least 10 years too late (and that hurts).

No girl – neither here nor in Poland (this summer) – has so far agreed on photos! I do not know how you put the question to them, but as soon as I reach for my camera or mobile phone they just say "no, no!", and I am not pushing it further than that.

I like the atmosphere there (RP), so for me it is not a problem to arrive at midnight or 1 am, and stay till 4, 5 or 6 am. And if there is a possibility for a better deal – I will take it. It is also some kind of competition, inner satisfaction, to get as good deal as possible.

Soon I may actually catch a whizz-flight to Poland for some good $50-deals. I won't miss that boat.

You need to realize what year this is, and what city you're in, and you'll soon come to the realization that you've missed the $50 boat you think you are going to find.

You're in the capital, and hotties don't sell themselves to foreigners for $50 there anymore! You're at least 10 years too late for those prices.

As for sitting around every night drinking and waiting until 4 o'clock in the morning to get a girl, just to save $80, well, that must be some kind of young man's fantasy. To me, sleeping all day is just not an option that makes any sense.

By the way, where's the fotos of the five $200 River Palace girls you've paid for????

LifeSavour

10-08-09, 20:27

Use google. Translate.com

Select Russian to english

Enter the web site: slando.com.ua

Hit translate,

Click on apartment rent and look.

You can even select apts from owners.

Points to remember. An agent will charge 50% of 1st month for commish.

Most owners want at least 5 to 6 months 'terms'.

Ps. Good luck in finding a $200 flat. Rooms are renting for that in some areas.

Brandon88

10-08-09, 21:09

T, I agree with you. Once a drink has left my sight that's the end of the drink for me, whether I'm in NYC, Paris or Kyiv.

Meash, I wouldn't even bother with RP. Once you learn Russian you'll be finding pro's on flirt.com.ua for $60-$80 a session.

I remember back in my barbacking days in the late 80's, the policy was to go and clear out any drinks left on tables while the patrons got up to dance. This was to maximize revenue. :)

Spark78

10-08-09, 21:14

You are right. ARENA is very Expensive and Girls are very COLD. The action was 2 years back in ARENA CITY per sure but still the best place is RP if you are in Kiev for Business Travels.

I was in Arena lase 3 weeks and believe me nothing GOOD, girls start coming in after 11 PM and Quality is 5 +/- Quantity 2-4 Girls & over ages.

RP is still the best for Overseas Travelers. Price is perfect as you said 200$ final nothing over it.

ARENA CITY service is also very COLD; Outside Girls on the entrance will try to stop you in case you just like to have a beer – they will try to sell you table. And believe me no action on TABLE always try to sit on BAR COUNTER. If Entrance Girls try to stop you & tell you that they do not serve FOOD on BAR COUNTER; tell them you just like to have BEER – They will SERVE you food also on BAR COUNTER.

HOTEL RUS Bar has some action after 11 PM but I will not recommend any one to try this as the GIRLS are fixed by Hotel and they are same every day. Very DRY GIRLS in Hotel RUS. But if you do not find any thing in city RUS HOTEL you will per sure find Girls in BAR.

Like cold weather of COUNTRY Hospitality is also COLD & RUDE. Do not expect good service in Restaurants and Bars..

Enjoy KIEV.

Spark 78. I will be back in KIEV in DEC 09 for New Year.

Cheers

I just wonder how to get girls for 450 grivnas/hour.

Definitely not at River Palace. And the girls at the apartments cost 900–1200 grivnas if you want the best apartment-girls.

Basically I only look for top-of-the-line-girls, and I would love if they only cost 450 grivnas/hour (now we are talking!).

During the two weeks I have spent in Kiev I have been 7 times at the River Palace, and brought home 5 RP-girls so far. I guess all girls go when you tell them $200, and there is absolutely no need to pay more.

The problem gets to bringing down the price more. It is not such a problem when coming to students and average-looking girls, but the best RP-girls are pretty hard to negotiate with, even though my friend went with a very hot girl for only 1000 grivnas (120 dollar). It was the second time with her, so I guess it was some kind of discount, and time had also passed 4 o'clock.

Interesting is that most girls go home alone if they have a "bad" night. Their motto seems to be "better no business than 'bad' business". And I cannot help smiling inside when I see this happen night after night. Have they ever heard of the expression Supply and demand?

Last night a whole bunch of Ukrainian businessmen entered, I guess only for drinks and some fun (read observation). But I wonder how much a local pay at these places. Having in mind how much (little) they make a month there is no way they pay as much as we do. And I wonder when I will be paying these prices.

I do not know how it would be going to a fancy place like Arena, but my friends told me that the girls there are even more cold-hearted and greedy than the RP-girls, only looking for free drinks, entrances, expensive dinners, and pampam – suddenly you are in a Prada-store shopping – without getting anything back.

"Men often should come back home with no woman if price is not Ukrainian sized". Sounds as a good idea I will try to implement more often than so far – but you always want a good start of a new journey...

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Brandon88

10-08-09, 21:25

Shadow, nice reports.

As to your friends taking the same girls a second night, often times a bird in the hand...
I landed a stunner for $150 from RP, which I thought was a steal, until we got to my apt and she turned into the nasty ice queen who I kicked out even before the deed.
On the other hand, a less than perfect Rio girl turned into perfection once we got home. Plenty of hotter dancers at Rio, but you never know until it's too late.

On a side note, you mention going to the back room. What back room? There is the upstairs room and the downstairs room. The only difference is the size and the layout.

Doctor_Skank

10-08-09, 21:40

I remember back in my barbacking days in the late 80's, the policy was to go and clear out any drinks left on tables while the patrons got up to dance. This was to maximize revenue. :)Upstairs is with the big central stage and downstairs with the booths? Can't remember which was which... :)

Brandon88

10-08-09, 21:44

Upstairs is with the big central stage and downstairs with the booths? Can't remember which was which... :)

Haha, if I was able to get a job in Rio 20 years ago, I'd still be there today. :)

Misterxxx

10-08-09, 21:46

Kurenda,

I will write some questions in the other Ukraine thread regarding finding an apartment. Since, I am a student, I would like to find something in the $200-300 USD a month. Is that possible?

Thanks again for the advice!No problem. You just have to share apartment with 4 other guys. Like all students in Lviv. Or if you want a very small apartment far away from citycenter and with little animals under (an in) your bed. Even in a smaller city like Lviv it's hard to find a good apartment for this amount of money.

Explorer69

10-09-09, 00:40

Shadow, nice reports.

On the other hand, a less than perfect Rio girl turned into perfection once we got home. Plenty of hotter dancers at Rio, but you never know until it's too late.

On a side note, you mention going to the back room. What back room? There is the upstairs room and the downstairs room. The only difference is the size and the layout.Sorry for asking, maybe it is in the forum, but I did not find it: what is the adress of Rio?

Uke Boy

10-09-09, 11:33

Rio Strip Club, Bogdan Khmelnytskoho 30/10.

Have fun since it is expensive take away.

CallSign Papa

10-09-09, 12:08

Upstairs is with the big central stage and downstairs with the booths? Can't remember which was which... :)Doc, upstairs has the stage to the right as you walk in and some booths around the wall. Can't say i've been to one downstairs, that any better?

My first time there I picked up a girl called Inna, fabulous fake red head, but sadly not there on any of my subsequent visits and the number i had now doesn't work.

Diceman, you're probably right, I'm not too clued up on the young ones, i'm mid-30s and I prefer girls in their mid-20s (old enough to know better, but still young enough not to care!), they're a bit more fun for me.

Explorer69

10-09-09, 12:20

Rio Strip Club, Bogdan Khmelnytskoho 30/10.

Have fun since it is expensive take away.Thanks for the address. But how expensive is "expensive"?

In Millenium it was USD 800 for all night 6 months ago.

Jojosun

10-09-09, 18:28

I was also leaning for Kiev for the following reasons, I'm a US citizen, no visa needed. Also, it seems like there is more mongering to be done there.

Also, hopefully, I assume lots more freebies who understand English.

Based on what you said, the culture seems to be more liberal than Belarus so maybe the freebies would also be easier.

1. The only hesitation I had was whether there are more blondes in Belarus than in Ukraine.

2. Also, since Belarus is less explored, it is cheaper and easier for a foreigner to pick up freebies.

I would be interested to hear from you guys abour your thoughts on this?

Based on what you have told me thus far, I will stay in Kiev and go on trips to Belarus, Russia and Moldova.

Any ideas for me on how to set up some easy freebies before I get there. Do you recommed any good dating sites that I can check out prior to getting over there? What about those marriage sites? I am definitely not interested in getting married but are there any ways to meet some easy freebies who want to meet foreigners through those sites? Any you would recommend?

Thanks so much for all the advice. It is very helpful. I am really excited and looking forward to this extended trip.My experience is limited to 2 trips to kiev and minsk belarus, and here are my 2 cents for what 's worth.

For belarus you would need a visa for a start, and to get the visa, you need to prebook your accomodation, hotel apt etc.

2, then you need to wait a week before a visa is issued.

From what I have seen the girls in kiev were more attractive and plenty of blondes there.

3 It is much easier to navigate your way in kiev to look for freebies than in minsk. I didn't find the average hookers in minsk hanging around in hotels that cheap. They were asking 100 euros one hour, read 1 pop.

One club to head for in minsk is westworld a mix of wgs and some freebies.

I am a well travelled monger, and I have to say, that the girls of river palace, are some of the prettiest, that I have ever seen.

River palace is on par with help disco in Rio, re quality of girls albeit different looks and colours.

Agree with diceman about his observations about the girls in vilinus, and you have to bear in mind prostitution is illegal in lithuania, and I didn't find it that easy to find wgs.

Conclusion, like you said make Kiev your base and make side trips. All these places are worth visiting for the experience and different cultures.

Brandon88

10-09-09, 23:10

Thanks for the address. But how expensive is "expensive"?

In Millenium it was USD 800 for all night 6 months ago.

I'm a little fuzzy, and the exchange rate differences also muddy the water, but I could have sworn a 2 hour takeout cost me the equivalent of $200. Some reports here peg it at $300 now, which is odd because if you pay in Hrivna, that would be some spectacular price increase. The dollar was around 4.5 grivnas a year ago.
I never inquired about an all-nighter.

For those of you who haven't been downstairs (past the coat check), there is a 3-pole runway in the middle of the floor, surrounded by booths on either side. You get a nicer closeup of the girls being only about 5 feet away. The bar manager is a good guy and remembers his regulars.

For extended visits to Rio, you are best sticking with beer. The mixed drinks are quite pricey, as are lady drinks.

The one annoying thing about Rio is the security guy at the main entrance always looking for a tip when you leave, with girl or without.

The only thin

Meashearim

10-10-09, 11:59

I have during my stay here, from time to time, had problems with girls not wanting to go to my place – the student's dorms. First it is a little bit too far away. Second they think that there will be other persons in the room. Third, they think that the standard is too low. Fourth, this is maybe not what they are dreaming of.

Another problem is that I always have to bribe the guard – and that tend to get expensive in the long run since they work on shift. So next night a new guard – and new expenses for me.

One of the professionals at RP, Lena (blonde, petite, always busy with customers, one of the smart girls), told me about this hotel/apartment complex open on a 24 hours-basis:

LEON.
Tel: (066) 111-2222; 517 29 01/517 72 62
www.sauna-leon.com.ua
Бул. Комбинатна 6, МИКIЛЬСЬКА СЛОБIДКА

It's about five minutes from RP with a taxi – just make sure to order the taxi in advance (10 minutes or so), it will save you some money. The sharks waiting outside RP charges 100 grivnas, and they are not even thankful. Why don't people say "thank you" in this country?!

I tried out this place Friday morning, and it is perfect in my case – and I guess for all other mongers not wanting to struggle with stuck-up hotel personal. My room (no 6) had three bedrooms, sauna, some kind of pool, shower, and in the middle a billiard table, and a TV/stereo-set. All went for 243 grivna for one hour. I guess they have smaller rooms, since what's the need for three bedrooms if you come alone with a girl. I will check out this option next time busy.

Uke Boy

10-10-09, 18:14

Brandon and E69,

A few months ago, a take out for 9+ at Rio was $300 for about 1.5 hours. The "crisis" has taken its toll here where economic laws do not apply. This is much too high for Ukraine but sometimes doing the right thing in keeping prices down does not always apply to a 9+ stripper.:D

After prices for sex services dropped to much lower levels at the beginning of the year, there is a noticeable jump back to higher prices on a levels of a year ago. :(

How this increase plays out with the locals who still remain the largest user group remains to be seen. However, there are still many 400-500 grivna bargains on prostitute web sites and from ladies located in services such as Mamba.

CallSign Papa

10-11-09, 07:07

How this increase plays out with the locals who still remain the largest user group remains to be seen. However, there are still many 400-500 grivna bargains on prostitute web sites and from ladies located in services such as Mamba.My experience with Mamba is that there are two ways of playing it, short-term and long-term.

The short-term consists of contacting the girls who are openly 'intim za dengi', or who are showing photos of themselves nearly naked. Most of these girls will be anywhere from $ 80 to $150.

Problem being that chances are, the girl in the photo is not going to be the girl turning up at your door. If she does, it's unlikely that she'll be as hot in the flesh as her 'touched up' photos (nothing wrong with that of course).

The long-term approach is to contact girls who have 'regular sex' listed in their interests. These girls you have to actually strike up some kind of relationship with through the site. Depending on how successful you are, you'll come to a point where you're talking about meeting, or have skipped that and are already talking about fucking.

My first two or three times using the long-term approach I had some fun long weekends in kyiv, but it was very much going there to meet one girl for the weekend (action was always pretty much guaranteed). But there's also something to be said for seeing a different girl each day. In that case, unless you're a skilled operator, the short-term approach is a better way to go.

Of course, this is all subjective and might not work for other people, for me it's been a great way of meeting girls I might otherwise struggle to talk to in a club.

Jojosun

10-11-09, 11:18

For my nov trip to kiev, I have got a a list of 400 to 600 grivna girls from escorts models. Kiev and top models with a max price of $100., that I am willing to pay.

Made contacts, and I did specify to them or their handlers, that if the girls who turn up, are nothing like the girls in the pictures, I am not paying any taxi money, and will be sending them back.

To pay $300 for girls from Rio for 1.5 hours, defeats the object of getting our asses all the way to kiev for mongering, no matter how beautiful the girl is.

I have got another list of girls from river palace, who are willing to do noties in the afternoon, for a much lower price, than asked for in the club. HAPPY hours I suppose.

MEASH thank you for your discovery and tip.

WHEN are going to study Russian?

Cheers from London

Meashearim

10-11-09, 14:56

I went to check out Rio yesterday, and the price for a 2 hour take out was $300. Drinks quite expensive. What we usually pay 80 grivnas for at River Palace costed us 135 grivnas here. I didn't check out how much a ladies drink cost, but it's usually expensive. Entrance 50 grivnas, which is reasonable.

What I didn't like about Rio was the atmosphere. Quite dry (I went downstairs, they have reparations upstairs for another week), and few girls on the floor – which amazes me – since about 35-40 girl was working that night according to the one I talked to. Probably this was true since they switched dancers at the strip poles every second song. And another new three girls went out from the "restricted area" to do their program. But instead of going to customers after finishing the program – they just went back inside!

If I visit a strip club I want to be surrounded of girls, two on my right side, two on my left side – all trying to convince me to buy a drink or whatever. And if they don't succeed, new girls shall come to me. Finally I may settle a deal, who knows? This was too bad. I have never been to NY, but I guess it may be like this. Pretty sterile, pretty boring, pretty cold.

The only good thing of Rio is the option of taking girls home, but $300 is not worth the investment. When they lower the price to $200 I will become a regular here, but now River Palace is such a better option.

Telos

10-11-09, 15:42

Upstairs is with the big central stage and downstairs with the booths? Can't remember which was which... :)No more upstairs. Burnt 2-3 weeks ago along with a lot of other stuff in that building. I do think they are rebuilding though. Downstaris is working and u get a nice fire smell walking in (at least a few days ago you still did).

Telos

10-11-09, 15:47

Meashearim

10-12-09, 14:51

Telos,

Yyou are right. Entrance 100 grivnas to Rio, not 50 as I wrote! I thought my hundred grivnas took care of the tickets both for me and my friend, but that was not the case.

Jojosun,

My course in Russian actually started the day after my arrival! So no rest – no peace. I am happy though that my class mates are not the sharpest brains in the universe, so things are going pretty slow. I am still enjoying the excitement of being here, but lessons Monday to Friday, 10 am – 3 pm, are starting to have its price. I really like RP Mondays and Thursdays, but it is tough to get up the next day – especially if you have landed a fish the night (hours) before. So far – so good. But my performance in bed is maybe not what it was the first weekend in Kiev! I do need some rest soon. Btw, that list of RP-girls doing discounted performances during daylight sounds interesting... Me and my friend both landed two RP-girls on Saturday morning (4 am) for 100 dollars each. The funny thing was that my girl convinced my friend's girl to go for "her" price ($100). So finally we broke the RP-cartell. But they were only average, five in scale.

Brandon88

10-12-09, 17:19

As of last week it is $300 until 5AM.

If you go early in the day I think its $400 until 5AM.

Entrance is 100h (they just raised it a few weeks ago), table dances are 50h, private dances are 200h and beer is 35h.

Sounds like the Ukrainians have adopted the Thai bar owner mentality - when business is down, raise prices dramatically.

HunterDave

10-12-09, 18:21

Day 1 Friday PM, My second trip to Kiev

Had the chance to visit Kiev in earlier this month. Since I had good luck with my last apartment rental, I went with the same agency.. This time using a rented local phone (came with the apartment). Uploaded 50 grivna. Later had to add 25 grivna to finish out the 4 day stay. 50 grivna for 3 days seems about right..

My apartment was on Khreshatik the city center, this time had a view of the main drag. Very nice. However my first hiccup. Wifi broadband was down in the apartment and since I had been talking with numerous women online on mamaba. Ru, I had accumulated many numbers, but had not written them down. This slowed my calling them on my rented phone and easily lost me a few hours of mongering. Tried in vain to get the wifi operational, but finally decided I needed a Plan B and went with laptop to find an internet café. Turns out there was wi fi at an Indian restauraunt down the hill and sat there to look up the numbers and names of the women. Another tactical error on my part, but I had been traveling in Switzerland, Czech and Germany, and thought I would find the time while in those countries to extract the numbers, but never did find the time. Another lesson for the future. I also plan to look into buying an unlocked cell my next trip so I can maintain cell numbers for the future. My English speaking driver from trip 1 was not in town so I had a weak English speaking driver to coordinate with.. This also presented some problems, but in the end I was able to work thru them, and he did get me from and to the airport on time..

After overcoming my errors, I then proceeded to call a few women to set up meeting times. I thought this trip I would look to meet a few women and to see how hard it was to get a few freebies. While my backup was p4p. I lined up a few meetings for Saturday and then proceeded to look into a few near term lays. Except for my visits to RP, I used mamba exclusively and was very impressed. Each girl that visited me was the girl in the profile and with accurate photos. That is if you stay away from the Angelina Jolie, Charlize Theron, Britney Spears pictures.. LOL.

I told the girls on mamba who were online that I was in town and ready to meet them.. Got several hits and started lining them up. Most of these girls were actually on time within 15 minutes of when they said they'd be at my place. All again matched their photos.. And across the board were more than camera shy.. They actually said they would leave if I persisted. I need to get a better angle on this in the future, but since I was not meeting them in a public place and we had online negotiated a "price" we had pretty much dispensed with the formalities.

First thing was a young 20 year old blonde, very hot. Great looking long legs. She had a nice B rack, loved to suck. This trip I seemed to find many who liked BBBJ, 69 and a few extras. I did not pursue anal, but guess several were game. This girl was well worth the 600 grivna, plus since she was very much into the sucking, I gave her 50 grivna for cab fare. This was interesting since once she showed up, I met her at her taxi, she wanted the money up front, convinced her I would give half up front and the rest upon completion. She was not a clock watcher and she worked real hard to please me. She was a great moaner and really got into doggie and modified doggie. She did go crazy when I had her in missionary with her legs up around my ears and when I finally came. All in all a great first fuck and easily recommended for 600 grivna. Since I do not read Russian, I do not know how to pronounce or spell her name. But she had very nice blue eyes, very nice below shoulder length platinum blonde hair and a greatr pair of legs.. I would raste her easily an 8-8+.

When I was online at the Indian restaurant, I also found another 25 year old blonde, called her up shortly after cleaning up from the first blonde left and one hour later, there she stood at my door. This one had a great looking natural rack, solid Cs and she loved to have them played with and sucked. Sucking really turned this one on. As I usually do, I gave her a small glass of wine to show so we could talk a little bit to find out a few things about her. She completed her studies and had a job doing some tourism business. Her photo was again accurate. Her name was Ekaterina. She spoke decent English. This one truly enjoyed BBBJ and loved to rock and roll cowgirl and reverse cowgirl. She loved to suck and also to lick and suck my balls. She loved keeping me hard. She had shoulder length blonde hair and another set of great legs. Not as tall as the first, but did thoroughly enjoy doggie and modified doggie where I was able to get very deep inside. I would rate her easily a 7+ to 8 in looks and a sold 8-8+ in the sack. I have kept each of their numbers for future consideration.

Having had 2 excellent lays, I thought to finish off the night I needed to visit RP to see what was going on for Friday night. I rested some and then decided to catch a cab to RP around 1 AM. Was glad to see the place hopping. What I thought was interesting was that while the place was packed with many a hot women, I could only recognize about 10 women from my last trip in June. Nice to know they have a healthy turnover. Again I thought I'd lay back and just watch the women and the dancing for a good bit. Had not even had a chance to order a Ukrainian beer before 2 hotties were hitting me up to leave. Again nice to be wanted immediately. This Friday night was again another target rich environment. I stayed back by the bar and just observed the action. I quickly began to catalog the available action and rank ordered what was there. As the girls passed by and tried to gain my eye contact I would assess and rank order them for future possible consideration. I clearly was not in any hurry since I had been with 2 blondes earlier, so I sat there and enjoyed the view and the many attempted moves by the women to gain my attention. It was a great cat and mouse game which many times we men do not get to enjoy, so what the Hell, I leaned back and just enjoyed the competition. As usual all started at $300 for a short time, then when they see I am not considering it, quickly move to $200. I tell them still way too high. With my game plan to hang around and enjoy my beer and the women, I was able to rank order many women with the plan to finally negotiate with what I determined to be the best piece of ass in the place. I ranked ordered them based on initial looks, rack, legs.. And of course how well we talked and if she was a good negotiator.. If she wasn't willing to banter and discuss her fees then she probably was not much of a lay.

I had several ranked high as I made it thru beer #1 and proceeded to order #2. I do not offer to buy a drink until I see some chemistry and that she is negotiating and where we have come close to sealing an offer. So many want you to buy a drink and then when you say no to $300. The 200. Then move on.. Ah the art of negotiating. As long as the crowd is there and the competition is present, they will come down in due time.

I finally decided my top 5 and said ok, now which one to take home.. There was this tall blonde, she looked to be nearly 6' tall. Blonde, blue eyes, nice rack and from what I could tell thru the jeans she was wearing.. Legs to die for. She was in my Top 5 from when I first saw her earlier but she seemed to have a lot of offers from several guys.. But she continued to hang around.. Then she came by and stood near me to order another drink.. We struck up a conversation, but I pretended to not be interested. This seemed to intrigue her since she clearly was the hottest thing in the place.. Even better looking up close next to me, great looking, blue eyes and a nice looking rack. She said she was free and I said ok, what was she looking for..$300. Then $200.. I asked for how long. She said till morning.7 or 8 AM. I said I might be interested but for $150.. And multiple times. She said not for that amount. So I said thanks then. She decided to walk around the place and I thought (maybe she was worth the fucks) but held my ground.. While I sat and declined a few others she kept looking at me as she scopede the other men in the place. Needless to say.. She proceeded back to being next to me. Struck up much another conversation and after awhile we mutually decided we could accept the $150 but maybe I would give her taxi fare.. While we talked she asked the bartender for another champagne and while I offered to pay for it. The bartender gave it to her on the house.. My luck.. After we finished our drinks I had her commandeer a taxi for 100 grivna to my place.. This girl was so hot.. We had a glass oif wine at my place. Even after she took her heels off she was 178cm, very nice and had some beautiful great looking legs. This girl had modeled before and her body showed you why. I easily rated her a 9 and her performance in bed was if not a 10 easily a 9+.. Her name was Irina.

This girl pretty much wore me out. But I am happy to say I know I wore her out. Whiel she started out CBJ, as the night wore on, she gave some of the best BBBJs (gave multiple one) I've ever had. This girl went nuts sucking my dick, my balls, was a great kisser (DFK) a true GFE, thoroughly enjoyed cowgirl and reverse cowgirl. I just love it when they have multiple orgasms just when I am getting started. Since I had come several times earlier in the night, I was rock hard buyt no where near to coming. I had this girl in such rapture in missionary going slow and fast that between the "Da, Da, DA" I got many a scream to please fuck me, please fuck me harder.. She was so short of breathe that when I fucked her doggie and the did mmodified doggie and pushed her to the mattress to really get in deep, gasping and her hair covering her face I slowed back and moved her hair to make sure she could breathe before I finished off inside her. All in we smoked those sheet so much that I actually felt like I was getting mattress/sheet burns.. Mu caliente..

We both rolled over in a heat of passion and just lay there for quite a while. We passed out for a bit of sleep and then decided we would go for it again. While we were very tired from our first session, the second was just as great.. We then fell asleep.. She very hard. As I could tell from her deep breathing.. We slept till 10 AM and before she got up to go we went for a quick (as compared to rounds 1 &2) session. I could tell she was completely exhausted. She left after 11AM. Not bad three sessions and she was with me for 8 hours.. Clearly one of the 2 best lays I have had in Kiev. Before she left she gave me her number.. Thought I might go for it again before I left but ran out of time, but will surely see her next trip. After she left I cleaned up and then went back to sleep for a few hours..

Next report. The hunt for freebies..

The Hunter

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Jojosun

10-12-09, 20:27

As of last week it is $300 until 5AM.

If you go early in the day I think its $400 until 5AM.

Entrance is 100h (they just raised it a few weeks ago), table dances are 50h, private dances are 200h and beer is 35h.
I was charged me 50 h for beer on 10 Sept .

Will see how much they will charge in early nov.

Kurenda

10-12-09, 20:34

One year ago many here were hoping that due to crisis there will be dramatic fall in prices of everything.
Seems nothing happened.

HunterDave

10-13-09, 03:19

Day 2 Laying the groundwork for freebies.

My long sessions with Irina wore me out.. She texted me later that day and said she was completely wiped out and still tired. I got up after a few hours of rest and went to meet one of my online mamaba. Ru acquaintances. She was planned for 1:30 for coffee or a drink but was very late. This was to be just meet and to know her for about an hour and to see where things might go. I had a planned 3:30 with another girl so I knew the 1:30 would be just a meet and greet. My 1:30 was a 30 year old blonde wanting to practice her English and maybe some more. She was about 5'4" and very cute.. About a 7.5 at least. My problem was she was an hour late due to some other engagement and backed up to my 3:30. We had a nice 45 minutes together and I may follow-up with her on my next trip. It all depends, so many women and so little time on my trips.. Must choose wisely. I excused myself due to a "business meeting" and headed to meet my 3:30, a 30 year old brunette named Valery, who spoke some English and a lot of German. Thank goodness I can speak some decent basic German. She was hot, had that dark hair, fair skin complexion look with a great looking rack, which she, like so many Ukrainian women like to expose and tease us men, beautiful hazel eyes and seemed very interested in me. I love how a woman in a matter of 30 minutes from meeting you is not afraid to touch you and tease with you. I knew this one would be fun in bed. I did not push it since I knew she had to travel to be with her mother that evening but she said she would return NLT Monday and wanted to see me again. Little did I know then but that she was already planning to return early for a Sunday night rendezvous, but that later..

After meeting Valery, I was horny again. Would like to have lined up some p4p from Mamba but had already lined up a visit with another potential freebie. She wanted to meet at club near her place which was not far from me so I jumped in a cab and headed to this bar/club which was also a restaurant. She was a little late so I sipped on a beer. All the pics of her were very hot. Her name was Anya and she was a 24 year old graduate student, 5'6", light brown hair, beautiful blue eyes and a great rack. She really filled out her jeans very nicely! After some small talk which really started from weeks of online chit chat. We had a light meal and more drinks. She said she had some friend in town from her hometown and would later have to go out with her clubbing. I told her fine, that I was not into going with them at that moment. We seemed to hit it off well in person, but since she had her friend already at her place, we opted to stop by my apartment for a glass of wine.. Needless to say we went thru that wine fast and headed to my bedroom. She had the body I had seen in her bathing suit shots and what I imagined in those jeans. We had a few hours before she had to meet back up with her friend. This girl was very nice to talk with and was a great lay. She gave a great CBJ, DFK, enjoyed 69 immensely and was one of those screamers during sex. When I get a screamer I seem to rise to another level in trying to keep her screaming for more. I would rate her 8.5 in looks and a solid 9 in the sack. This one I will continue to see on return trips. My first freebie this trip. The online effort before I arrived in Kiev paid off. As she was leaving when I told her I probably would not link up with her and her friend that night, she warned me about going to clubs where the action at the bar had women who were not good and sold themselves for money to men only there for sex.. Go figure. She was trying to warn me about those women and us mongerers. I thanked her for the advice and told her I would be on the lookout for these people. Yeah right!

After cleaning up, I had a chance to take a short nap before I headed to RP. Each taxi ride to RP this trip was between 35-40 grivna. Not bad for negotiating with no Russian language. I got to RP around 12:30. Since it was Saturday night the place was packed. Again with beer in hand I proceeded to scope the scene. A lot of the same girls were there as the night before. So many hot looking women offering themselves.. I like it when I am not so horny after just having had Anya a few hours earlier and can let my big head do most of the thinking. When the little guy jumps in. Sometimes the $$ can go too fast. My Friday blonde Irina had thoroughly spoiled me with conversation and a tremendous night of sex plus great sucking, so I was very picky this night. I had numerous threesome offers (all for $200 after some discussion) but none really hit the right spot. All the women were stuck at $200 and I told them no.. I wanted to find a women who was pleasant to look at but could also carry on a great conversation. There was this good looking blonde with short hair (not quite to her shoulders) about 30 years old who was a good talker.. She was very witty and loved to talk about many topics to include US politics. She had traveled in the US and planned to visit again soon (which raised a little caution flag with me since I sure don't want to see someone show up near me in the US), but then she knew very little about me with so many little white lies and stories. She was a tough negotiator which actually drew me closer to wanting to be with her. She would not come off her offer of $200 and I told her $150 was my limit. She would leave me for a while to check out her other options but kept coming back to talk.. This further intrigued me and I just waited for her to come back around each time. She had a nice rack, appeared to be solid Bs. She filled her jeans very nicely so I became interested in seeing what was under the jeans every time she came back. Clearly the action and offers from other men in the place either matched or was clearly in the ball park of my offer (we all need to hold this kind of monetary line to keep the p4p in line with supply and demand or we will all find ourselves paying way too much for p4p.. Hold the line guys! ) After stopping by 3 times she finally stood right next to me and looked ready. I said guess we were destined to be with each other and she smiled. I told her that if she would stay thru the morning say 8 AM and if our session was good then we could work something out. I also told her that I did not want to get ripped off by a taxi to leave RP for my place. She was so good, we went outside the bar area and she ordered a cab and it only cost me 35 grivna. This woman was already working for her extra tip. Not bad. When we got to my place we had a glass of wine and some good conversation. This girl's name was Renata and when she came out of the shower with that only that towel on I knew I had chosen wisely. She tried to be a professional only light petting but when I treated her like a lover and began to suck on her tits and kiss her body she began to warm up and when I began light kissing to DFK, she really got into it. She had a rock hard body for a 30 year old. I told her she would have to work hard to get me to come and work she did.. Finally getting me to come with me riding her modified doggie with her pinned to the sheets with me deep inside her. I love it when we can come together. What I liked about this girl was that after we both came in the first session we lay there cuddling and talking about things and never went to sleep. After a bit of a rest we had another great session and again she was so good that she was able to make me come this time with her legs up around my ears with me deep inside. Except for the first girl (Day 1) all the others were more than willing to give BBBJs. This was great. While every woman would not let me take her photo, I was able to set up the video for most of the girls for my private collection. I just don't tell them about it most of the time. Renata stayed till after 8 AM and caught a ca home. She continued to SMS me the rest of my stay hoping for us to get together again.. Maybe this next trip. I crashed after showering for a few good hours..

Next: freebie bonuses..

The Hunter

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AColonizer

10-13-09, 07:46

Yes, Kurenda, I was the first to see there is no crisis in sex market.

ANYWAY I see a light drop in prices in local currency, and, in comparison with dollar and euro exchange rates, prices, SOMETIMES, are dropped 50%, but not with the best girls.

It is much more hard to negotiate because pimps want the same money of two years ago. ANYWAY, if we have no mercy in negotiate, then we can get some deals, otherwise we go to pay Ukrainian girls more in Kiev than abroad.

Now regular prices are:

450 grivnas for the first hour of pussy fucking with a girl of your choice, two hour are 700/800, "taxi fare" included

600/800 for the first hour of pussy and ass fucking, two hours are 900/1200, "taxi fare" included

Night (10 hours) 2000/3000 grivnas

The state of art "Ukrainian deepthroat swallow blowjob" is not easy to get and this is the real tragedy! That's a must in a male's life!

One year ago many here were hoping that due to crisis there will be dramatic fall in prices of everything.

Seems nothing happened.

Forfunforfun

10-13-09, 11:50

I was in Tallin three days.

The first girl I found was outside my hotel Reval.

She came to my room she had gray hear was about 50 had a nice body and big tits what I wanted.

She was very friendly and ask me how to go on and we had a nice time.

Started with BJ and I hold her tits.

She wanted to be on the top and I could handle her tits really nice.

Recommend if you like older and you can go on for a while I payed 50 euros and 200 EEK for the taxi although she was walking.

The other Natalie was splendid.

I waited for her long and had to masturbate before I thought she wouldn't com but when I relaxed after she knocked the door.

She smelled a little but was beautiful very big not heavy but tall and larg tits with big nipples.

She started with a red condome and the BJ was excellent with her tits in fort of me then she bent on her back and showed me her wet pussy and we started.

She was rather tight so I had to rest for a moment not to blow.

We enjoyed for twenty minutes and I kissed her and her lovely tits.

When I was about to come I told her and she opened her eyes and smiled.

She is very sexy and nice no hurry at all I believe.

Her number is [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]

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Qjump

10-13-09, 20:43

Member #4491

10-14-09, 00:29

HunterDave, you are the king! Great reading.

Makes me even more excited to be heading to Kiev for the first time.

Question: is there any relationship promises on the table for those freebies?

Cheers from Barba!

HunterDave

10-14-09, 03:47

Day 3 Freebie bonuses (not sure how best to define since I did buy drinks and appetizer)

Still no wi fi so I had to hit the Indian Restaurant again, but had a nice lunch to boot. While searching Mamba I found a few hotties for future meetings. While looking I found this tall good looking blonde (176 cm) in heels breathtaking. Her name was Lana. From the time we chatted online less than 1.5 hours later we were having a coffee near Independence Square, she took me on a small tour down by the river and to old town Kiev and then back to my apartment. This girl was 29, and was easily a 8.5 or 9. I could not believe how lucky I was to be walking with, much less taking that one to bed. She was a wildcat in bed. She did have a 3 year old and her ex-husband was a real shit. She had just joined Mamba and wanted to see how things worked. Just my luck. From how she moved and went crazy in bed, it was clear she had not been with a man in a while. Also my fortune because she was quite horny. This is another hottie which I plan to see again. After Lana left I thought I would check on a few of the p4p offerings, but then I received a call from Valery (Day 2) who came back early and said she wanted to do something; something romantic. She came by and picked me up at 7 PM and we walked to the Premier Palace Hotel and went to the restaurant bar on top. Quite a nice view of the city thru the big glass windows. (I also heard that the Hyatt rooftop [? ] has a nice view of the city). We had a few drinks and appetizer and then went back to my place around 9 PM. The whole time I was with Valery at the hotel restaurant I kept getting texts from this 19 year old whom I had wanted to meet even before I got to Kiev. She sounded great in our emails and clearly wanted sex and lots of it.. Plus her pics were good enough to make you drool.. I kept texting her telling her that my business dinner was going long. I kept her interested so I could have a safety valve. Once I got back to my place with Valery I knew I could text the 19 year old, Anna, for a rain check for Monday sometime. She said fine. Back at my place with Valery we had some wine and then moved to the bedroom. This woman had a great body and was very sensual in all she did. She gave the best GFE experience. She was a 8.5 to 9 in looks, but easily a 9.5 in the sack. Before we went crazy she did ask me one question, "If I was one of those sex tourists? " I told her I did not know what she was talking about. And she believed me..

From the time we made it to my bed around 10 PM, till she left the next morning after 11 AM this women was wild, crazy and sensual. She loved to excite and kiss my body all over. She almost gave as much attention to my balls with licking and sucking as she did my dick. This girl loved to suck. She loved to tease my cock with her tongue and gave numerous outstanding BBBJs. This woman always started each of our sessions with a great BBBJ. While all the women I was with had orgasms or multiple ones, this Valery would have those kind of orgasms where her body would shake and quiver for moments at a time. It was quite a show and made me want to please her that much more. While we would end each session exhausted, she would rest a bit and then go to work to make me hard again. She was a great lay. Over the nearly 13 hours we were in bed together we had 4+sessions and she did not ask for anything. Since she stayed so long and did have to make it to a business meeting so I went with her down to Khreshatik and hailed a taxi for her and handed her 50 grivna. She hugged and kissed me and said goodbye. Quite a Day 3 with 2 outstanding freebies. I went back and showered and got a few hours of sleep.

The Hunter

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HunterDave

10-14-09, 06:16

Day 4 Catch up day

While I had had several long sessions with several women, I had only had 7 women in 2 ½ days, I needed to see if I could pick up the pace and see how many more I could lay before I departed Tuesday at 11 AM for the airport. I knew if she was free that the 19 year old Anna would stop by sometime that day. I had a few Mamba newbies numbers which I could call. My first choice was a tall blonde who responded immediately and would be at my place in 40 minutes. Her rate was 700 grivna. She arrived at my door right on time and had a pair of jeans on her that looked like they were painted on her. We talked a little bit and had some wine. She seemed a bit nervous but after we talked she calmed down. She had her hair in a pony tail weave which was very nice. When she came into the room with that little towel I knew that she was going to be a lot of fun. She gave a great massage, thoroughly enjoyed BBBJs and really loved to ride cowgirl for a long time. She really got into it. I had her screaming "Da, Da, Da for quite awhile. When I pleased her in doggie position she was a bit crazy and when I did modified and then pinned her to the sheets going deep, I was afraid for her breathing since she was enjoying an orgasm and trying to catch her breath at the same time. I did not want to see this one pass out on me. She had a great pair of legs. Beautiful work of art that I truly enjoyed having wrapped around my ears for a very deep session. She truly enjoyed this position. Even after I came, she then provided me with a nice massage. This one gave great head and loved to lick and suck. I will definitely see this one again. Her name was Jana. I would give her an 8-8.5 in looks, a 9 for body and as a fuck buddy easily a 9.5. She was also not a clock watcher.

Jana left and I then called a young 20 year old brunette. She quoted 600 grivna and came within the hour right to my door. She was a student and was trying to make some extra money. She had a little wine and of course needed a smoke. This girl was a tigress in bed and really went nuts in cowgirl, reverse cowgirl and loved to squat on my dick and ride my shaft up and down, nice and slow. I was hard as a rock but really did not think I could come again for a while. This was a good challenge for her and made her work that much harder. I worked up quite a sweat in missionary and in doggie with her so I decided to let her get back on top and to ride to her content. And ride she did. She was so happy to finally see that she had given me pleasure in the end. I was spent. After she left I decided to clean up and then to catch a few hours of rest before that 19 year old said she would be at my place.

Anna finally showed at 9 PM and again looked like she did in her photos. She was a big busty girl but had a great looking rack which I was able to thoroughly enjoy. While young she was game to try a few new things. We tried a blindfold which actually creates quite a sensual feeling all over one's body when the women is licking and sucking every inch of your body. It is quite the tingling sensation and really makes your dick get hard very fast. Of course having a young 19 year old trying to suck you dry while your eyes are closed also helps. This girl loved to ride on top and reverse cowgirl. These young Ukrainian women just love to suck dick and are crazy about sex. Have to love this place. American women could learn a lot about love making here. With the blindfold on the sensations are that much stronger and made my ultimate orgasm inside this 19 year old very powerful and very long. A great fuck! This girl and I had planned to meet when online for a 12 hour session for only $200. Since neither of us had that much time available this Monday we agreed on a three and half hour session and I gave her $100 for the great session. I may take her up on the 12 hour session but my time in Kiev is always so short. And I agree. That is less time to go after other freebies or p4p. However $200 for a 12 hour session is pretty cheap for a lot of sucking and fucking. So many women and so little time to have them all!

Because the session with Anna went till nearly midnight, another Mamba contact could not wait till then so she came up with the idea to come and stay with me from 7:30 to 10: 30 AM the next morning before I left for the airport which we agreed would include about everything less anal.

After Anna left I showered and decided on one more visit to RP. When I paid Friday and Saturday admission at RP they gave me a free entrance for Monday night. I got to RP about 12:30 and began my observations with beer in hand. I had seen from my previous trip in June and from Friday night this cute little blonde who looked like a little blonde Russian doll. She had hair more than half way down her back, and bangs in the front. That night she was wearing a cute little jean skirt with nice slender legs. Her name was Maria and while we smiled several times at each other I did not push my interest. She stayed in the area as I fended off several advances still hunting. Renata from my Saturday RP run had said she would be looking for me at RP that night. I was not sure if I was ready to go with her again but everything is situation dependent. I was however looking for Irina from my Friday night RP visit. I wanted to enjoy my beer and Maria offered her services from $300 to $200 then to $175. I kept telling her it was too much, but this was my last night and I had told myself that I needed to have that petite blonde Russian doll. We finally agreed on price and she wanted to go. I told her not to worry but that I wanted to finish my beer and to checkout the scenery. Since for her it was a business she moved away about 10 feet but kept her eye on me. Once she moved away. Other swooped in. This other hot blonde was very tempting but in the end I told her I had already made arrangements but that I looked forward to seeing her my next trip. I did not need to order a cab. Maria had a car. She took me right to my apartment and after some small talk went and showered. That little towel wrapped around her body raised my attention rather quickly. She was great in bed and liked to moan. But she clearly was part of the RP establishment, had a special parking spot in front of RP. Clearly a regular. But that did not stop me from enjoyikng this cute little blonde Russian doll. We had some great sex. She went deep in CBJ and still liked to DFK. I rode her hard in doggie and thought I had suffocated her when I pinned her to the sheets, but it was very nice. After I came we lay down for awhile and just talked and then she gave me a very good lolng massage. I was getting tired and she left just after 3 PM. I thought about cleaning up, but said I would in the AM before my morning visitor showed up. So I crashed till 7:15. All in all a good Day 4 with 4 women in a 13 hour window.

Next: A departure morning delight. And an even dozen.

The Hunter

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AColonizer

10-14-09, 09:05

That's too good to be true.

Anyway I am here to talk about Ukrainian "husbands": all women say "my husband is shit", that's just a lie because all Ukrainian women prefer Ukrainian men for a long relationship, and foreigners are just for temporary needs, sex, money, passport, children, etc. and when they reach their targets, then they will come back to their men.

Day 3 Freebie bonuses (not sure how best to define since I did buy drinks and appetizer)

blah blah blah

The Hunter

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Jojosun

10-14-09, 09:39

I know this subject has been discussed before, but didn't arrive at a figure. I have been in contact with one or 2 babes from mamba and flirt.com, who say on their proflie, that they are looking for a sponsor.

MY question is, how much are these girls looking for, and how does this sponsoring work? . Is it a fixed sum or regular monies?

I did put it straight to them, HOW MUCH $$$? , but didn't get a straight reply. ON the other hand, other ones, who also say they are looking for a sponsor, did reply with a fixed rate per hour or few hours.

I have mongered and punted my way in every continent for many years, but never come across this sponsorship business, which sounds like taking on a mistress. Clarifications are very much appreciated from mongers, who have sponsored, or come across it.

HunterDave

10-14-09, 12:34

Barba, glad you enjoy the reports. The freebies are just that. But I am heading back there this weekend so we will see if I reengage or continue to hunt for new stuff. Probably a little of both.

Hunter

HunterDave

10-14-09, 19:01

Day 4 Catch up day

While I had had several long sessions with several women, I had only had 7 women in 2 ½ days, I needed to see if I could pick up the pace and see how many more I could lay before I departed Tuesday at 11 AM for the airport. I knew if she was free that the 19 year old Anna would stop by sometime that day. I had a few Mamba newbies numbers which I could call. My first choice was a tall blonde who responded immediately and would be at my place in 40 minutes. Her rate was 700 grivna. She arrived at my door right on time and had a pair of jeans on her that looked like they were painted on her. We talked a little bit and had some wine. She seemed a bit nervous but after we talked she calmed down. She had her hair in a pony tail weave which was very nice. When she came into the room with that little towel I knew that she was going to be a lot of fun. She gave a great massage, thoroughly enjoyed BBBJs and really loved to ride cowgirl for a long time.. She really got into it. I had her screaming "Da, Da, Da" for quite awhile.. When I pleased her in doggie position she was a bit crazy and when I did modified and then pinned her to the sheets going deep, I was afraid for her breathing since she was enjoying an orgasm and trying to catch her breath at the same time. I did not want to see this one pass out on me. She had a great pair of legs.. Beautiful work of art that I truly enjoyed having wrapped around my ears for a very deep session. She truly enjoyed this position. Even after I came, she then provided me with a nice massage. This one gave great head and loved to lick and suck. I will definitely see this one again. Her name was Jana. I would give her an 8-8.5 in looks, a 9 for body and as a fuck buddy easily a 9.5. She was also not a clock watcher.

Jana left and I then called a young 20 year old brunette. She quoted 600 grivna and came within the hour right to my door. She was a student and was trying to make some extra money. She had a little wine and of course needed a smoke. This girl was a tigress in bed and really went nuts in cowgirl, reverse cowgirl and loved to squat on my dick and ride my shaft up and down, nice and slow. I was hard as a rock but really did not think I could come again for a while. This was a good challenge for her and made her work that much harder. I worked up quite a sweat in missionary and in doggie with her so I decided to let her get back on top and to ride to her content. And ride she did. She was so happy to finally see that she had given me pleasure in the end. I was spent. After she left I decided to clean up and then to catch a few hours of rest before that 19 year old said she would be at my place.

Anna finally showed at 9 PM and again looked like she did in her photos. She was a big busty girl but had a great looking rack which I was able to thoroughly enjoy. While young she was game to try a few new things. We tried a blindfold which actually creates quite a sensual feeling all over one's body when the women is licking and sucking every inch of your body. It is quite the tingling sensation and really makes your dick get hard very fast. Of course having a young 19 year old trying to suck you dry while your eyes are closed also helps. This girl loved to ride on top and reverse cowgirl. These young Ukrainian women just love to suck dick and are crazy about sex.. Have to love this place. American women could learn a lot about love making here. With the blindfold on the sensations are that much stronger and made my ultimate orgasm inside this 19 year old very powerful and very long.. A great fuck! This girl and I had planned to meet when online for a 12 hour session for only $200. Since neither of us had that much time available this Monday we agreed on a three and half hour session and I gave her $100 for the great session. I may take her up on the 12 hour session but my time in Kiev is always so short.. And I agree. That is less time to go after other freebies or p4p. However $200 for a 12 hour session is pretty cheap for a lot of sucking and fucking. So many women and so little time to have them all! Because the session with Anna went till nearly midnight, another Mamba contact could not wait till then so she came up with the idea to come and stay with me from 7:30 to 10: 30 AM the next morning before I left for the airport which we agreed would include about everything less anal.

After Anna left I showered and decided on one more visit to RP. When I paid Friday and Saturday admission at RP they gave me a free entrance for Monday night. I got to RP about 12:30 and began my observations with beer in hand. I had seen from my previous trip in June and from Friday night this cute little blonde who looked like a little blonde Russian doll. She had hair more than half way down her back, and bangs in the front. That night she was wearing a cute little jean skirt with nice slender legs. Her name was Maria and while we smiled several times at each other I did not push my interest. She stayed in the area as I fended off several advances still hunting. Renata from my Saturday RP run had said she would be looking for me at RP that night. I was not sure if I was ready to go with her again but everything is situation dependent. I was however looking for Irina from my Friday night RP visit. I wanted to enjoy my beer and Maria offered her services from $300 to $200 then to $175. I kept telling her it was too much, but this was my last night and I had told myself that I needed to have that petite blonde Russian doll. We finally agreed on price and she wanted to go. I told her not to worry but that I wanted to finish my beer and to checkout the scenery. Since for her it was a business she moved away about 10 feet but kept her eye on me. Once she moved away. Other swooped in.. This other hot blonde was very tempting but in the end I told her I had already made arrangements but that I looked forward to seeing her my next trip.. I did not to order a cab.. Maria had a car. She took me right to my apartment and after some small talk went and showered. That little towel wrapped around her body raised my attention rather quickly.. She was great in bed and liked to moan. But she clearly was part of the RP establishment, had a special parking spot in front of RP. Clearly a regular. But that did not stop me from enjoying this cute little blonde Russian doll. We had some great sex. She went deep in CBJ and still liked to DFK. I rode her hard in doggie and thought I had suffocated her when I pinned her to the sheets, but it was very nice. After I came we lay down for awhile and just talked and then she gave me a very good long massage. I was getting tired and she left just after 3:30 AM. I thought about cleaning up, but said I would in the AM before my morning visitor showed up. So I crashed till 7:15. All in all a good Day 4 with 4 women in a 13 hour window..

Next: A departure morning delight. And an even dozen..

The Hunter

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HunterDave

10-14-09, 19:07

Day 5 AM visit and departure

My 7:30, Angelina, SMS'd me she was in traffic and would be 15 minutes late. I cleaned up and said that's fine. She showed up outside and I told her to come on up. I was too lazy to meet her unless the door guard would not let her in. In walks this dirty blonde 24 year old dressed very sharply like she was ready for a day at work. I thoroughly enjoyed watching her undress in front of me while I lay in bed. She quickly showered and joined me under the covers. I told her I wanted a good massage and a good massage she gave me. She loved to kiss my body to excite (which she did) and gave a great BBBJ. This one was a wildcat in cowgirl and loved to go fast and then slow down the strokes to better enjoy. She really went nuts in doggie where I rode her pretty hard. These Ukrainian women love to get pinned to the sheets with me on top of them from behind. Which I also love. I ended in missionary with her legs up around my ears and me very deep inside her. This one loved to moan. After the session, she again gave me a great massage. We ended with her giving me a great finishing BBBJ. She left around 10: 30, I got up and showered again then finished packing. This was a great send off and my driver came on time and I made my flight.

This girl made it an even dozen.(5 women in 18 hours). I was glad to see that even with the hunting for freebies this trip I could surge and still have my "A Game." Not bad since I spent much time in the middle of my trip hunting for freebies. This takes a lot of work and while 3 of the 5 freebies eventually made it to my bed. The time lost is hunting time lost. Not sure what the best mix is. But the costs for freebies does make you like the cost ratio. I am going back again this weekend for a short business trip (3 days) so guess I will again try a little of both again. I do want to pull a few in from escort-models and from mamba again. RP is always the fall back. But I do enjoy the attention and the hot looking women and love the bartering. Guess it is a game with me. Not having wi fi was a big hit and also lost time. I will follow this trip report up with some of my observations and recommendations for future mongerers to Kiev.

If anyone is going to be in Kiev, 17-20 October PM me if you'd like to get together for a beer. We can compare notes on the hunt at RP.

The Hunter

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Bez Bezarra

10-14-09, 19:13

While every woman would not let me take her photo, I was able to set up the video for most of the girls for my private collection.

For your "private" collection?

"Hats off to the King????"

I guess that means that after all your stories of only the hottest girls for the lowest prices, apparently you don't have the cohones to share even ONE single pic of ANY of them with your ISG brethren. That is, freeze frames from your private collections of videos of "most of the girls."

Since either they all have their own photos on the internet, or they are whoring in public at RP, its not like they don't want anyone to know who they are, so that excuse won't work either.

Sounds suspiciously more like the Penthouse forum writer:
"Its so great when we come together!"
"I came deep inside her twice!"
"She always started with numerous outstanding BBBJ's!"
"We had 13 hours in bed, 4+ sessions and I only gave her $4 for taxi!"

Explorer69

10-14-09, 19:20

For your "private" collection?

"Hats off to the King????"

I guess that means that after all your stories of only the hottest girls for the lowest prices, apparently you don't have the cohones to share even ONE single pic of ANY of them with your ISG brethren. That is, freeze frames from your private collections of videos of "most of the girls."

Since either they all have their own photos on the internet, or they are whoring in public at RP, its not like they don't want anyone to know who they are, so that excuse won't work either.

Sounds suspiciously more like the Penthouse forum writer:
"Its so great when we come together!"
"I came deep inside her twice!"
"She always started with numerous outstanding BBBJ's!"
"We had 13 hours in bed, 4+ sessions and I only gave her $4 for taxi!"Bez, I had the same feeling.

Razkolnikov

10-15-09, 01:47

Sounds suspiciously more like the Penthouse forum writer:
"Its so great when we come together!"
"I came deep inside her twice!"
"She always started with numerous outstanding BBBJ's!"
"We had 13 hours in bed, 4+ sessions and I only gave her $4 for taxi!"Are you saying this thread ISN'T for sharing fantasy short stories and synchronously jacking off with other guys on the internet?

Razkolnikov

10-15-09, 02:06

Anyway I am here to talk about Ukrainian "husbands": all women say "my husband is shit", that's just a lie because all Ukrainian women prefer Ukrainian men for a long relationship, and foreigners are just for temporary needs, sex, money, passport, children, etc. and when they reach their targets, then they will come back to their men.I couldn't imagine any woman in her right mind would leave you like that :( I realize I only know you for your insightful contributions to this forum, but you seem like such a nice and clever guy. What an unfair world we live in.

AColonizer

10-15-09, 07:08

Probably HunterDave is a marketing employee of the biggest prostitution organization in Kiev.

Poisson1

10-15-09, 07:38

Happymojo

10-15-09, 11:03

I couldn't imagine any woman in her right mind would leave you like that. I realize I only know you for your insightful contributions to this forum, but you seem like such a nice and clever guy. What an unfair world we live in.In Kiev everybody lies. I been here for few days and I got 1 free and 1 hooker. What I know is they should change the name of the country from Ukraine to Ukliers.

Don Juan

10-15-09, 11:51

Would like to spend a month in kiev studying russian and checking out the scene
Does anyone know how to go about it?

Meahshearim could you help in this?

Bez Bezarra

10-15-09, 13:36

is ISG for fantasies and jacking off?

No its not!

That's the International Fantasy Jack Off Guide for wankers with tiny dicks too afraid to venture out there for real adventures, so they can only waste space here with pretend posts.

This thing of ours is for reality.

LifeSavour

10-15-09, 15:28

No its not!

That's the International Fantasy Jack Off Guide.

This thing of ours is for reality.Reality?

Show me 1 guy with 100% reality?

Look at HUNTER D. "reality"? Naw.

HunterDave

10-15-09, 17:19

I have been in Europe traveling in Sweden and just saw a few of your comments posted here when I got back to the hotel and had wifi. Believe what you want about my reports but they are true and I have had sex with these women and they have pretty much (in 2 trips) been the girl in the photos I ordered (a few in my first trip were not the same but were still nice to look at and fuck). If my reports sound like Penthouse as has been alluded to I guess that is good, but "I have never read the stories" as they say so I guess it was menat as a compliment and a slam.

When I told the forum that I did get undercover videos it was with the Nikon Coolpix P90 camera. It is a nice camera, but a camera that just happens to have a video capability but as I reported in my June trip reports, but again it only lasts for a 25 minute period. After Bez's rescommendation I have read the P90 manual and read that there is no freeze frame capability. I cannot freeze frame a pic and post it. I offer to any mongerer who I can and will meet up with in Kiev or other places that I will show them the videos. I am hoping to link up with a few guys this weekend in Kiev at RP and if we can meet ealrier at my place I will offer to show them the videos. I do have a few fotos of some of the girls. I did not push fotso this last trip but I will take some this next trip and post.

With my mamba success to include getting numbers of many girls I am prepared to offer to any mongerer who PMs me. I have already had a few guys contact me for numbers. A few I plan to keep just for me but since I have received many #s, and did not have the time to meet with them I offer them also to those heading for Kiev. Just PM me. I will be in Kiev afternoon of the 17th thru 11 AM Tuesday. If anyone plans to be in Kiev during that time PM me and lets hunt together. I already have plans to meet another mongerer either or both Saturday and Monday night at RP.

I will get some fotos this time (hope they do not get upset) and post them. When I joined this forum I thought what a great way to pass on little secrets and lessons learned so a future mongerer would not repeat my mistake. I offer my lessons and I will still post my thoughts and observations on a few things form this last trip to all. If some of you do not believe or want to read that's fine. In fact I think those of you that do not like my reoprts should just pass on them. Don't waste your time if that is how you see them. Those of you who would like to know how I was somewhat succeful then read and PM me for more details.

Before I went on my 2nd trip a few weeks ago I PM'd both Bez and Diceman and theie advice was for me to keep on doing what I discovered how to do in my first trip. I had hoped for more direction but that was fine. My reports are accurate, you can check with the cleaning lady for Kievrental.com and my driver (as well as the old ladyies guarding the locked front door who give me that dirty bastard look when I enter with a hottie) to confirm the number of women I have esscorted up to my apartment, the number of extra towels I have requested for the girls to shower, the number of wine bottles and condoms in the garbage, etc. I will do better to the forum in trying to get more pics.

The Hunter

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Meashearim

10-15-09, 19:53

Don Juan,

I went through the institution Echo Eastern Europe:

http://www.echoee.com/

The director knows good English and is very helpful. They offer several programs, from 2 week intensive courses and up. They have reasonable prices in comparison with other institutions, and to study in Kiev is way cheaper than doing the same in for example St Petersburg or Moscow.

I am happy that I didn't choose one of these two cities, because if girls are corrupt here – wow, I can only guess how the scene is in Moscow! River Palace is a great place to hang out in, and the girls there are at least at some point honest – and you get what you want.

Would like to spend a month in kiev studying russian and checking out the scene

Does anyone know how to go about it?

Meahshearim could you help in this?

Bez Bezarra

10-15-09, 21:35

I read the P90 manual and there is no freeze frame capability.

I cannot freeze frame a pic and post it.

I do have a few fotos of some of the girls I did not post.

When I joined this forum I thought a future mongerer would not repeat my mistake.

I think we'll call you Hoaxer-Nave!! :o

Ok, don't think I'm here to relentlessly attack you.

That's NOT the point here.

Its not the high road or the low road or the Hershey Highway, its simply time to put your money where your mouth is, time to put up or shut up. You can't claim the moral high ground when you already wrote so much superfluous incredulity, and you've simply been called to account. I know you took fotos, I'M THE FUCKING ONE WHO TOLD YOU TO!!! :D

I am here to point out the obvious flaws, and if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong and there you go.

Who knows, you could be the master monger of all time, Kiev could be the next K5. But anyone can write like a brown-nose sycophant.

It's not so much that I call your bluffs, as YOU point out, you NEVER even went to Kiev before, and you report the most amazing successes beyond any other monger's wildest dreams, and not one foto to back any of it up.

So if you haven't figured it out, its as Dice says, we just wanna see some pussy, since you bragged ad infinitum how fantastic they were:

"A wildcat she really went nuts when I rode her hard!"
"5 women in 18 hours!"
"I only had 7 women in 2 days!"
"I had her screaming Da! Da! Da! and I was afraid she would pass out!"

Its not that we all haven't had this kind of fun before, but ALL AT THE SAME TIME??? And if you never read Penthouse Forum before, just read your own reports. Bob Guccione's calling your cell right now to offer you a job!

And WHERE are the so-called mistakes that you thought future mongers WOULDN'T repeat, you know, the reason WHY you joined?

Mistakes??? If half of the mongers could have half of your success, I think they would be lining up at every airline ticket counter tomorrow!

Forget the P90 manual, its not in there.

If you're recording video onto a flash card, you need to download the content onto any new computer with video edit capability, then you can freeze any frame you want.

So you don't need to offer to show mongers that will "meet" with you, YOU NEED TO POST!

Oh, and what was that you wrote, "I do have a few fotos of some of the girls".

Oh, ok, well sure.

You didn't need to write all that other highly impressive stuff defending/excusing yourself, of course we'll all immediately check with your apartment cleaning lady to ask her how many used rubbers were in your garbage!!!

"I do have a few fotos of some of the girls" is really the ONLY thing you needed to say, because well, that explains everything. ;)

Member #4491

10-15-09, 22:11

"I am amazed!!! Are YOU amazed???"

Hunter, I would be highly interested in the profile names of some females.
Just for reference. What one consider a prince another consider a toad.

It does sound to good to be true but I choose to believe that you are not that miserable. I am interested to read HOW you succeed. I think all guys here would find that reading just as intriguing as the erotic descriptions. Are you eating massive amounts of viagra or you save up for a week or two?

Best from Barba

AColonizer

10-16-09, 01:02

Better, we live in a shitting world, where people actually don't mind each other and people want to believe in fairy tales for their own quiet living.

I have my statistics with women, prostitutes, men, customers and, about women, all of them have the same behaviour, they don't research for "love" but for somebody to satisfy their own temporary needs, sometimes that relationship lasts some hours, sometimes that relationship lasts a lifelong time, but that is never for a feeling.

A pragmatic and classic example: do you know how many Eastern women want to marry a Western man just to get a Western citizenship? That's NOT "love"! It is always better to know the truth instead to believe in fairy tales with tragic ends.

ANYWAY, read the forum and Hecker's reports!

I couldn't imagine any woman in her right mind would leave you like that :( I realize I only know you for your insightful contributions to this forum, but you seem like such a nice and clever guy. What an unfair world we live in.

AColonizer

10-16-09, 01:19

Yes, anyway Ukraine is a funny country, just to be aware about the falsehood of the Slavic blood (Hungary, Ukraine, Russia, etc. (Romania is not Slavic, it is just shit)).

By Internet sites, Moscow seems to be the best destination for mongers, I have been in Moscow once, I had a good experience about everything except for women! Very few nice and young women in comparison of Kiev, and above all, 1000% more liers than Kiev.

In Kiev everybody lies. I been here for few days and I got 1 free and 1 hooker. What I know is they should change the name of the country from Ukraine to Ukliers.

Gergiev

10-16-09, 02:24

My reports are accurate, you can check with the cleaning lady for Kievrental.com and my driver (as well as the old ladyies guarding the locked front door who give me that dirty bastard look when I enter with a hottie) to confirm the number of women I have esscorted up to my apartment, the number of extra towels I have requested for the girls to shower, the number of wine bottles and condoms in the garbage, etc.

Hunter D,

You really should know better than to make remarks like that around here.

Our very own ISG nemesis, Acolonizer, is probably winging his way back to Kiev right now to do what you suggested above especially to rummage through your bins for the "condoms in the garbage" which he will proceed to rinse out and re-cycle for his own personal use thus saving a few more Kopiykas.

In fact, if one of those evil-eyed old harridans of the apartment you described is willing to provide one of the SBJs he so desperately craves for anything less than 500 HV then he'll be "in like Flynn" and automatically gravitate to being your "new best friend" as a result.

And you wouldn't want that to happen now, would you ???

Bez Bezarra

10-16-09, 16:17

Better we live in a world where people believe fairy tales.

Like I already said, write all the fiction you want, just own up to it.

There's also another viewpoint, which is that throughout history and still today, the world is so fucked up BECAUSE too many weak people believe in all the lies that are so willingly perpetrated upon them by those who will benefit from lying. :p

Like governments, most religions, corporations.......... :o

AColonizer

10-18-09, 15:30

As usual, you read what you want to read and you don't read what it is written. My post is similar to yours.

You are right when you write "weak people" but "weak people" are often "honest people" or "people with feelings and rules", but unfortunately they are often "coward people" too, therefore "the world is so fucked up" (you wrote).

My teacher in prostitution called them as "idiots" and in fact she doesn't like "good boys" or "gentlemen" but she loves wealthy bastards or her pimp who trades in drugs too.

This is the reason for what I criticize here, I don't want "weak people" are brutally scammed in the female world: material support is totally incompatible with real feelings: from marriage to prostitution.

Like I already said, write all the fiction you want, just own up to it.

There's also another viewpoint, which is that throughout history and still today, the world is so fucked up BECAUSE too many weak people believe in all the lies that are so willingly perpetrated upon them by those who will benefit from lying. :p

Like governments, most religions, corporations.......... :o

CallSign Papa

10-19-09, 15:28

If some thing sounds too good to be true, chances are, it is too good to be true.

Unless you have the photos to prove it.

HD, you seem like a nice bloke, it would greatly help your case to post a pic or two.

Irish Lad

10-20-09, 11:52

Could you post the links of the mamba/flirt girls you met since it's public anyway. it would allow us all to increase our scores with ukrainian ladies, and also give more credibility to your stories.Posting links to freebies is not so good an idea if you either live here or plan to return.

For sure some idiot will write them telling them about your posts here. Happened to me a few times. IT Travel too

Cruiser D

10-20-09, 23:49

Kyiv was awesome right up until 2005. Before 2003 it was just totally insane. :D With the crisis a little of the old love is back.

Well, then I can relax, I just don't want to feel that I am getting cheated (too much), so if this is the scenario for the rest of you guys, I am fine with it. I had started to think that I was missing out of some goldmine here in Kiev, but as you say – I am at least 10 years too late (and that hurts).

Cruiser D

10-20-09, 23:55

Downstairs has the long stage with three poles and the booths. Upstairs has the three small stages with poles and table and booths.

I'll be sure to point it out to you when we go there this winter. Did I take you to RIO? I remember I made everyone I took swear not to post about RIO on the board but it's all played out now so it doesn't matter. :D

Upstairs is with the big central stage and downstairs with the booths? Can't remember which was which... :)

Cruiser D

10-20-09, 23:58

That's my fault from when I was a regular there in the winter of 2007 :D

The one annoying thing about Rio is the security guy at the main entrance always looking for a tip when you leave, with girl or without.

Cruiser D

10-21-09, 00:07

Prices across the board seemed to drop for me when I was there in May. I heard things are getting worse in Ukraine, not better.

One year ago many here were hoping that due to crisis there will be dramatic fall in prices of everything.
Seems nothing happened.

Cruiser D

10-21-09, 00:16

Hunter D...not it's not me in my hunter's garb.

What got me was how seemlessly and smoothly his hook ups from Mamba went. How often does that happen?

And the girls fighting over him at RP...really?

Reiner Otto

10-21-09, 00:56

Would like to spend a month in kiev studying russian and checking out the scene
Does anyone know how to go about it?

Meahshearim could you help in this?

Is Kiev a MUST ?
I (and some other ex-pats) can definitely recommend you my teacher of Russian here in Nikolaev.
Private lessons should be about 40-50UHA/h.
Exact price depends upon amount of lessons. Teacher comes into your appartment.
And the best meat in Kiev is delivered from Nikolaev/Odessa/Cherson area ...

Lmactan

10-21-09, 02:18

First time poster here so take my word with a grain of salt..

I ended up linking with Hunter Dave last Monday night here in Kiev. He showed me some photos and videos of his adventures and it's true. I showed him how to capture frame from his videos so he can post it here.

At RP, girls will fight over you if know your shit.. remember you're paying them and they need the money.

Anyways, I'm still here in Kiev till monday, so if any mongers want to link up just PM me.

Hunter D...not it's not me in my hunter's garb.

What got me was how seemlessly and smoothly his hook ups from Mamba went. How often does that happen?

And the girls fighting over him at RP...really?

Cruiser D

10-22-09, 00:41

I know I've only been coming to Kyiv for the last 5 years for 2-3 months a year and know 10 or so expats who live there full time I compare notes with. Please tell me how it really is.

It Travel

10-22-09, 10:19

Posting links to freebies is not so good an idea if you either live here or plan to return.

For sure some idiot will write them telling them about your posts here. Happened to me a few times. IT Travel too

Yeah both Miss U.... and Lol... where quite angry!

Girls should never see what's posted here!

Just my two cents...

IT

Lmactan

10-22-09, 14:56

I know I've only been coming to Kyiv for the last 5 years for 2-3 months a year and know 10 or so expats who live there full time I compare notes with. Please tell me how it really is.this is only my 2nd trip here so I don't claim to be an expert. RP scene is similar to Tijuana,mx though. Keep your cool and bargain as much as you can and let the big head make the decision.

With the going rate, I'm not sure if it's the most cost effective way to hobby but definitely a sure bet because you see what you're buying. Even gia's is reasonable now.

I'm going to try the hookers in mamba, top model and gia and will report later which approach is better.

Cruiser D

10-22-09, 22:26

Lmac - GIA is reasonable now? It's back to $50/hr? Saying GIA is reasonable now shows what noob you are.

Lmactan

10-23-09, 02:56

Lmac. GIA is reasonable now? It's back to $50/hr? Saying GIA is reasonable now shows what noob you are.I'm referring to their prices with the prices of the girls in RP and the services they claim to offer. Different folks have different standards.

Cruiser.-- get a life dude. Why so much anger. Ah, not getting laid these days due to your $50 budget? Maybe you just need a hug.

Billy Elliot

10-24-09, 03:00

Schluckerl

10-24-09, 07:50

Meashearim

10-24-09, 13:40

Billy Elliot,

I'm open for options. Actually I still haven't tried the night clubs at the Arena, but I will do so next weekend, because my friend goes back to the States in a few days. And since he has completely lost hope in the ordinary clubs – we focus exclusively on RP while he's still here.

By the way, I couldn't put it better myself, regarding RP-girls "fighting" over you.

Ha ha don't make me laugh, them girls in rp won't bat an eyelid and would never fight over anybody, they the coolest hard nosed girls you will ever see, hunters been telling porkys and your experience in Kiev is Zilch, you two both together?

Winterbrook

10-24-09, 14:46

I wonder if anybody has experience or can advise; I have tried the excellent 'erotic massage' option at various parlours and it's fine as far as it goes. I haven't found any parlours that will actually allow sex on the premises. Perhaps I'm wrong, and would love to know where it's available if so. I know you can request an erotic massage at your hotel and I wonder if the girls are prepared (with the appropriate financing of course) to go further than the massage parlour hand job.

Winterbrook

10-24-09, 15:23

Does anybody know if you can take a massage girl home from a parlour and have sex. Not allowed in the parlours apparently. Phone for one to come round and pay extra for a full seeing to.

AColonizer

10-24-09, 16:37

8000 grivnas for three days is too much?

AColonizer

10-24-09, 21:49

The world is becoming more crazy day by day, and men are becoming stupid penis with two feet. I want to remind some principles in prostitution.

When sex is a work or sex is in exchange with money or any other kind of "favour", that is prostitution. Therefore there is no substantial difference among prostitutes, sponsored women and most wives, there is no exception (material support is incompatible with feelings).

But, for the convenience of all ISG users, I want to remind the historical reason for what prostitutes exist: throughtout all human history, prostitutes exist because they are good at blowjobs.

But which kind of blowjobs? Do you think, in the past centuries, rubber condoms have existed? No, they didn't, of course. In fact, when men talked about blowjobs, they implied blowjobs without condoms, that is swallow blowjobs. And be aware, in the past centuries, venereal diseases are much more fatal than now.

If they are prostitutes, then they must make swallow blowjobs.

Therefore it doesn't make sense when men need explicitly to ask for a swallow blowjob or they need to distinguish among covered, CIM and swallow, because THE BLOWJOB is a swallow blowjob.

I can understand, but I don't agree at all, the difference between covered and swallow, just for a health reason (but it is dangerous for the health just a skin touch with any kind of prostitutes too).

Instead it is ridicolous when men (and prostitutes) talk about CIM: if a prostitute can bring sperm in her mouth, therefore she can swallow it too, because there is no difference for her health.

I am reading, throughtout all ISG, men talking about CIM and I am angry because I can't believe "experienced" men are scammed in that trivial way!

The difference among covered, CIM and swallow is a convenience just for prostitutes, because the starting price is for covered and then increasing prices for CIM and swallow. The usual trick is "Swallow, me? Never!" just to get ten times the usual price.

Instead, throughtout all human history, the starting and only price was for a swallow, and it still should be for a swallow.

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Hecker

10-25-09, 00:22

I was in Kiev for a weekend and the reality is that pre '04 days are back.I arrived at 22.00 in the night,met a girl who came with me to the apartment,then went to Carribean.There I managed to get some phone numbers till I came on a blonde who asked for 150 euro for a threesome with her and her friend all night long.

This took place in an old remote communist building with no light and in a terrible apartment where the girls drove me since another girl was sleeping in my apartment.

Next day I managed to collect 3-4 phone numbers just by walking in Kreshatik,I took 3 girls to cafes who I had met n Kreshatik and in the evening I met an internet freebie who afterwards came to my room(the other girl had already left-a failure) and stayed with me all night long.

Housekeeper was surprised the next day to find a naked girl sleeping in the sofa while she saw another girl coming in the night before.

For an experienced hunter Kiev is a childsplay,it has vastly improved since 2007 due to economic crisis,the prices have fallen considerably,girls are much more agreeable and ready for one night stands and adventures,no demands for cell phones etc,I would definetely say the old days are back though you have to spend almost the double to get the same result.

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Lmactan

10-25-09, 02:39

The Security at Hotel RUS take 20 dollar from you for each girl you bring to your roome. Better you upgrade your roome to the next category for the same price, then you have no problems with Security. Also for the girl is breakfast included.

Happy huntingI stayed at the RUS last August. I gave the guy 50 or 100 gvn to bring a girl up. He was asking for more though.

The hotel has regular working girls at the bar at night but mostly 6-7s except for one. The next door hotel (president) has younger hotter working girls that hangs out at the lobby at night which is worth checking out.

Gizmo62

10-25-09, 08:33

Hello,next month,i go for a short trip in Kiev.Can anybody tell me what is the average price to spend for a hooker in the street or met at the hotel?

Thanks in advance,

Gizmo

Hecker

10-25-09, 10:35

For example if you met a girl in a club in 2003,she asked for 50$ for one night stand.
In 2007 the price was already a mobile phone 200-300$ and there were lots of scammers.

Now the price has fallen agan to 100$.

It is double than 2003 but still acceptable.Girls are in a hurry for cash they compromise for everything.Crisis put the noses down and made them open again their legs and asses.

Experienced hunters can easily bed a different freebie everyday in Kiev.

Costs have been lowered by 40% since the currency has dropped to this amount in relation to dollar and euro.Only exceptions are taxi costs which have not dropped since taxi drivers demand the equivalent in dollars.

For example in 2007 entrance to Carribean was 120 grivna which was 20 euro.now it is again the same amount but it is only 12 euro.to eat in a central restaurant with a girl you paid at least 50 euro.Now the cost is 30 euro although it is the same in grivnas.

This gives a huge advantage.

Some more remarks:

1. Number of foreigners,mostly Turks and Arabs has significantly increased
2. Lots of hot young women pair with much older men.The afe difference is striking.I would say they definetely prefer older and I mean over 45 years old to younger ones.

3. There are LESS top looking girls now in Kiev than they were in 2007 when almost one out of ten was looking like a model.Now they are much less looking like that.Probably they have got out of Kiev(where?) due to bad economy.Now girls appearance is very close to the standards of 2003.

Cruiser D

10-25-09, 12:00

Jojosun

10-25-09, 12:36

And I thought it was just me. Glad to see some one else has experience the same thing I did when I was in Kyiv in May. As some of you may know I'm no slouch when it comes to dating girls in Kyiv. But even I was amazed by the quanity and quality of girls I met in May, it was almost too easy. With the current exchange rate it really wasn't all that expensive.

It's not quite like the golden days, when the pro's and semi pro's cost $50 for a night. Or the freebies were throwing themselves at you because you were a foreigner. Note Lmac, even then the girls at RP weren't fighting over customers. :DYes I concur with the above for the following reasons.

The waiving of visa requirements for UK, EE and USA citizens means for me no prior booking of accommodation, filling of forms, and the waiting, now, I just book, and go.

Cheap flights from the UK, courtsey of wizzair.

Favourable exchange rates. I got almost 14 uah for my £ in sept09, last year it was 9uah.

The quality and quantity of girls available on the internet, clubs, bars and on the streets. People are friendly.

I have mongered in eastern europe since my student days (long time ago), didn't have to pay in the golden days, and I monger for paid sex in poland these days, but I have to say kiev is the new golden era for me.

I know it is being selfish, just hope ukraine, does not join nato or the ee, then that will be the end of mongering, as we are experiencing it in kiev these days.

Jojosun

10-25-09, 12:38

I stayed at the RUS last August. I gave the guy 50 or 100 gvn to bring a girl up. He was asking for more though.

The hotel has regular working girls at the bar at night but mostly 6-7s except for one. The next door hotel (president) has younger hotter working girls that hangs out at the lobby at night which is worth checking out.Do you have any idea how much these girls were asking?

AColonizer

10-25-09, 16:36

Welcome back Hecker!

For who likes Ukrainians, Ukraine and Kiev is a must, of course.

I discovered Ukrainians in Italy more than three years ago and that literally changed my perception of life.

But, about two years ago, it has happened a diaspora because it seems Ukrainians have disappeared in all Western Europe, for example we find just very few Ukrainians in some strip clubs or FKK, and the most Slavic girls are from Romania throughout the Western Europe.

Everybody knows, Romanians are not good at all. And everybody knows it is no possible Ukrainians don't work as prostitutes abroad, just now there is a heavy crisis in Ukraine. And it is no possible they all got married with foreign men.

Therefore I beg your opinion: where are Ukrainians working now? And how?

Thanks

Hecker

10-25-09, 22:09

Lmactan

10-25-09, 23:11

Do you have any idea how much these girls were asking?
The girls at Rus was asking $200 E for an hour. Pretty steep. While the girl at president was asking 1000 gvn and better looking.

Qjump

10-26-09, 07:38

I think they are in Moscow and Turkey.

Cyprus, and Switzerland also have a quite large number of Ukrainians.

Skane Henrik

10-26-09, 16:30

Therefore I beg your opinion: where are Ukrainians working now? And how?

ThanksGirls from western Ukraine, e.g. Lvov, Rovno, I-Frankivsk, work in Poland. Many of girls have some second cousin who lives in Lublin, Warszawa and so on. Maybe they can't find work, but they are sitting in apartments drinking tea, vodka and smoking, and maybe work as a baby-sitter for some hours. The polish police is not so nice to them. Girls from eastern Ukraine are trying Russia or Belarussia. Some have moved to the countryside to some babushka, and is waiting for someone, somewhere. The cost of living in Kiev is huge, they cannot afford to be there. The same goes for EU, possible exeption Poland due to the fall of Zloty and family and language ties.

Jojosun

10-26-09, 16:45

The girls at Rus was asking $200 E for an hour. Pretty steep. While the girl at president was asking 1000 gvn and better looking.Thank you, as I am heading back to Kiev in Nov.

THE president, looks the better deal, so I can have a look at the goodies, before taking the plunge, unlike the internet.

WILL SEE, if can bring them down to my price range?

Jojosun

10-26-09, 16:56

AColonizer

10-26-09, 16:57

Ukrainians in Switzerland? And where exactly, FKK, brothels or roads?

I have been to Moscow in April and I don't remember I saw any Ukrainians there.

About Turkey, it is possible because I heard that by several people, but I can't believe they prefer Turkey lifestyle instead of Germany, France or Spain lifestyle.

Also I know in Italy a lot of prostitutes have married to get European passport, but the question remains because, if they are still working in Italy, then they are working in an invisible way, such as word-to-mouth and hotels, but also this means they receive few customers in comparison of prostitutes on roads and in newspaper advertisements.

Cyprus, and Switzerland also have a quite large number of Ukrainians.

Sponsor74

10-26-09, 18:42

Cyprus, and Switzerland also have a quite large number of Ukrainians.
Hello, I am in Zurich and wonder how these Ukraine women get a visa to come here? are they dancer? tourist with Shengen visa? or how do they manage to come in in the Zurich airport?. I am planing to import one first as a test to check her approach and then we will look forward BUT as far as I know the Visa is not easy. Please advice your experineces with Ukraine in Switzerland. Thanks

Jojosun

10-26-09, 21:29

Girls from western Ukraine, e. G. Lvov, Rovno, I-Frankivsk, work in Poland. Many of girls have some second cousin who lives in Lublin, Warszawa and so on. Maybe they can't find work, but they are sitting in apartments drinking tea, vodka and smoking, and maybe work as a baby-sitter for some hours. The Polish police is not so nice to them. Girls from eastern Ukraine are trying Russia or Belarussia. Some have moved to the countryside to some babushka, and is waiting for someone, somewhere. The cost of living in Kiev is huge, they cannot afford to be there. The same goes for EU, possible exeption Poland due to the fall of Zloty and family and language ties.WHEN did the zloty fall?

That's, good news for me with the £. My experience with the zloty, is that it has been going up since June this year,

IN June 09 it was 5.10 to our british £ now it is 4.50, and that is, why I started heading to the ukraine, and I am glad I did.

Gergiev

10-27-09, 03:19

I have a feeling (blondie's party) will win the election, come jan10, and she has pledged to join the ee, then the golden days will come gradually to an end.

The IMF and the EE did not pump 16 billion dollars into the Ukraine economy for nothing.

Ukraine can not be more nationalist than serbia, which opted for the ee direction, so in a nutshell the ee needs ukraine, and the ukraine needs the ee, and they couldn't give a fuck about us mongerers.

JJS, you must be joking...

Forget about UKR joining the EU anytime soon or even later for that matter.

It just ain't going to happen.

YT may aspire to joing the EU but the EU will not be extending the hand of welcome to UKR.

Washington and London may wish to romance the relevant governing parties into their orbit but Berlin and Paris know the score in relation to Russian Realpolitik in this part of the world and won't be sticking any more thorns under the skin of the Bear after last year's business in the Caucausus.

Even if/when YT gets elected then Bloc YT will more than likely need the support of the Yanukovich clan to govern effectively and the result will be constitutional stalemate.

Which is no bad thing.

So relax, enjoy yourself and content yourself by dreaming of many more years of playtime in paradise :)

Gergiev

10-27-09, 03:29

This took place in an old remote communist building with no light and in a terrible apartment where the girls drove me since another girl was sleeping in my apartment.

Hecker, I salute you.

After my ghastly RP experience of last month and its unsavoury aftermath (reported here) my adrenalin would have been in overdrive during this car-ride.

A good result...

Qjump

10-27-09, 07:13

Hello, I am in Zurich and wonder how these Ukraine women get a visa to come here? are they dancer? tourist with Shengen visa? or how do they manage to come in in the Zurich airport?. I am planing to import one first as a test to check her approach and then we will look forward BUT as far as I know the Visa is not easy. Please advice your experineces with Ukraine in Switzerland. Thanks

The girls work as "dancers" in many clubs in Switzerland, the visas that they get I am not sure about, I know of at least 6 girls from Ukraine who regularly go to work in various Swiss cantons.

They also used to travel as far as Japan to work but now they have stopped the visas for EE girls as too many locals where marrying them.

Switzerland is not a shengen zone so such visas do not work unless they joined recently? but i am 99% sure they did not.

Colon the day i listen to what you know or anyone should listen is the day we all become dumb mutes, before that i will just ignore you and hope you go away as you know nothing about nothing.

Qjump

10-27-09, 07:19

Jojosun

10-27-09, 09:47

JJS, you must be joking...

Forget about UKR joining the EU anytime soon or even later for that matter.

It just ain't going to happen.

YT may aspire to joing the EU but the EU will not be extending the hand of welcome to UKR.

Washington and London may wish to romance the relevant governing parties into their orbit but Berlin and Paris know the score in relation to Russian Realpolitik in this part of the world and won't be sticking any more thorns under the skin of the Bear after last year's business in the Caucausus.

Even if/when YT gets elected then Bloc YT will more than likely need the support of the Yanukovich clan to govern effectively and the result will be constitutional stalemate.

Which is no bad thing.

So relax, enjoy yourself and content yourself by dreaming of many more years of playtime in paradise :)I thought I read, that the Ukraine could be the FOOD BASKET for Europe, and with a population of nearly 50 million, might lie some of the answers to the EE's ageing population.

IS the ukraine a potentially wealthy country with the right government?

Going back to the girls, Hecker's experience with dark unlit apartments in kiev, is one reason for my preference for outcalls, rather than going down uncharted territory in some outlying suburbs of Kiev.

Jojosun

10-27-09, 09:53

Hecker, I salute you.

After my ghastly RP experience of last month and its unsavoury aftermath (reported here) my adrenalin would have been in overdrive during this car-ride.

A good result.The moral here is to play on your own ground in Kiev. I am going back to kiev in nov, and will have a word with the security guy, and see what he says about your experience at river palace, and will keep me eyes open.

Delgado

10-27-09, 10:18

Switzerland is not a shengen zone so such visas do not work unless they joined recently? but i am 99% sure they did not.

Switzerland joined the Schengen Area in December 2008.

Qjump

10-27-09, 10:35

Switzerland joined the Schengen Area in December 2008.

I stand corrected, still a shengen visa is very hard for any single Ukrainian girl to get. unless she comes from a rich background.

AColonizer

10-27-09, 11:14

That's so true, in fact now you all are talking about Ukrainian diaspora (that I started to talk about).

You are just another man who doesn't know what is human respect and family responsibility and who vents his life emptiness with sex. I know thousands of men like you, unfortunately, that is a typical male syndrome.

My reports are not erotic invention or narcissistic tales like yours, but they are the reality that you don't like to hear about the truth that hurts you.

The girls work as "dancers" in many clubs in Switzerland, the visas that they get I am not sure about, I know of at least 6 girls from Ukraine who regularly go to work in various Swiss cantons.

They also used to travel as far as Japan to work but now they have stopped the visas for EE girls as too many locals where marrying them.

Switzerland is not a shengen zone so such visas do not work unless they joined recently? but i am 99% sure they did not.

Colon the day i listen to what you know or anyone should listen is the day we all become dumb mutes, before that i will just ignore you and hope you go away as you know nothing about nothing.

Tremayne

10-27-09, 14:30

Doctor_Skank

10-27-09, 16:48

Acolonizer

I just don't understand this obsession with 'swallow blowjobs' I was in Kiev from October 2000 and enjoyed the services of many p4p's and never ever met one who swallowed. In addition to this all the freebies I met didn't swallow either, they preferred to spit it out into a tissue or run to the bathroom.

Plus I don't know about you, but I think a lot of guys once they come are not that bothered what the girl does with their load. If she's done the business properly they are too busy trying to get their breath back.Just for the record, pretty much every girl who has blown me BBBJ has either swallowed or let me spray her face.

I really don't get the obsession either, but girls do it without really any problem.

AColonizer

10-27-09, 17:47

"guys once they come are not that bothered what the girl does with their load" that's clear you never got a karolesky miniet, otherwise that's sure you always ask for that in your life ;)

Acolonizer

I just don't understand this obsession with 'swallow blowjobs' I was in Kiev from October 2000 and enjoyed the services of many p4p's and never ever met one who swallowed. In addition to this all the freebies I met didn't swallow either, they preferred to spit it out into a tissue or run to the bathroom.

Plus I don't know about you, but I think a lot of guys once they come are not that bothered what the girl does with their load. If she's done the business properly they are too busy trying to get their breath back.

AColonizer

10-27-09, 18:02

Maybe that's your case.

Karolesky miniet is the state of art in sex but if you clearly ask for that, it seems no girls know that, that's a big lie of course. In fact most men don't know about that, read posts throughout this forum.

That's both funny and tragic, most men think to know what is sex but they actually don't know, and therefore they are extremely scammed in that way.

Just for the record, pretty much every girl who has blown me BBBJ has either swallowed or let me spray her face.

I really don't get the obsession either, but girls do it without really any problem.

Hecker

10-27-09, 20:24

hecker, i salute you.

after my ghastly rp experience of last month and its unsavoury aftermath (reported here) my adrenalin would have been in overdrive during this car-ride.

a good result.it was really dangerous. very dark lit remote area with rep001tered communist buildings. i stayed a bit at the entrance to make sure no other vehicle would approach. when taxi left and only then did i enter the building.

th inside was rotten. there was smell everywhere. the elevator did not work, so we had to go upstairs by staircases while the lights did not work either. so we got up stair by stair with one girl in the next floor checking the elevator and the next behind.

when we got inside the apartment, it was the most awful apartment i have ever seen. bottles of beer everywhere, small things on the ground, i could not believe that humans could ever live there. but when the girls undressed and started giving bbbj, i focused on them and forgot the environment.

the fun was that one of them gave me her business card to call her, she works during the morning in an office as a translator.

when i got home at about 4.00 in the morning, the girl i had brought in before going to carribean was sleeping.

so in just one night and one day in kiev i managed to lay 3 girls (two semi-pros, one freebie), got dates with 4 girls, collected at least 5 phone numbers which i will exploit in next visit.(they are very good chances, hot girls indeed).

as now i have lots of gfs, kiev is just an opportunity among many others, i would say the most hardcore one. especially the low prices make it very tempting compared to what it was two years ago.

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Cruiser D

10-27-09, 22:50

Most of the girls who blow me BB usually swallow or they have to clean my sperm off of their various body parts. To me BBBJ or CBJ or what the do with my sperm really doesn't matter to me.

Hecker, welcome to your first crack house.

Jojosun

10-27-09, 23:42

it was really dangerous. very dark lit remote area with rep001tered communist buildings. i stayed a bit at the entrance to make sure no other vehicle would approach. when taxi left and only then did i enter the building.

th inside was rotten. there was smell everywhere. the elevator did not work, so we had to go upstairs by staircases while the lights did not work either. so we got up stair by stair with one girl in the next floor checking the elevator and the next behind.

when we got inside the apartment, it was the most awful apartment i have ever seen. bottles of beer everywhere, small things on the ground, i could not believe that humans could ever live there. but when the girls undressed and started giving bbbj, i focused on them and forgot the environment.

the fun was that one of them gave me her business card to call her, she works during the morning in an office as a translator.

when i got home at about 4.00 in the morning, the girl i had brought in before going to carribean was sleeping.

so in just one night and one day in kiev i managed to lay 3 girls (two semi-pros, one freebie), got dates with 4 girls, collected at least 5 phone numbers which i will exploit in next visit.(they are very good chances, hot girls indeed).

as now i have lots of gfs, kiev is just an opportunity among many others, i would say the most hardcore one. especially the low prices make it very tempting compared to what it was two years ago.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.the moral of hecker's excellent report for newbies like myself, is to avoid visiting girls in their apartments, as you never know what lies behined that door, and you could get robbed or worse.

safer, cheaper, and cleaner, is to have the girls come over to you.

i did meet one girl in rb, who gave me her card, and she was a translater, and in fact i have her card right in front of me now, and her name is valeria machkova, with her photo.

she is quite attractive with dyed reddish hair.

is she, by any chance the same one, or is she one of many in kiev?

Billy Elliot

10-28-09, 01:12

Hey Meashearim,

Let me know if you want to have a look at the RP on the Sunday 15 November night, am travelling alone so if anyone else is heading there would be good to have a wingman/friendly advice.

Also let us know how Arena was last weekend? Was it good or over-rated?

Cheers,

Billy

Billy Elliot,

I'm open for options. Actually I still haven't tried the night clubs at the Arena, but I will do so next weekend, because my friend goes back to the States in a few days. And since he has completely lost hope in the ordinary clubs – we focus exclusively on RP while he's still here.

By the way, I couldn't put it better myself, regarding RP-girls "fighting" over you.

Northern Guy

10-28-09, 13:19

Going to Kiev in January, from Denmark. Mon-wed. Would be happy if anyone could give an input.

1) Found some beauties on www.sexzona.co.ua. Price about 100 USD. Any experience? Real girls, and safe?

2) River Palace. Possible to get a hot one for 100 USD?

3) I strongly prefer normal girls, paying is back-up plan. Most guys say Kiev is difficult for pulling freebies, but I see some of you have other experiences. I speak no russian/ukrainian, I am early thirties and have ok game. Would the girls speak english? Is Arena the best place for going out? Other thoughts?

4) What are the strip clubs like, for example at Arena? Very expensive? Like getting a lap dance, or possible for more? Better options? I have found som info about this on the forum though.

Thanks for any info.

Bez Bezarra

10-28-09, 14:54

it was really dangerous.

very dark lit remote area with rep001tered communist buildings. i stayed a bit at the entrance to make sure no other vehicle would approach.

th inside was rotten. there was smell everywhere. the elevator did not work, so we had to go upstairs by staircases while the lights did not work either.

when we got inside the apartment, it was the most awful apartment i have ever seen. bottles of beer everywhere, small things on the ground, i could not believe that humans could ever live there.

added drama reality check please? or since its almost halloween, does a scary blow job sound better than a boring one? :d

once you've exhausted the 'tourist' agencies in what's on, its time to get a taste for the authentic flavor of ee life and russian tramps, to see and experience what local mongers go through every day.

every ee city has "very dark lit remote area with rep001tered communist buildings", in fact, you just described most of the housing that exists for +400 million citizens east of the elbe river.

you're in much more 'danger' in any inner city in the west than you are at the entrance of one of those communist buildings. the residents of ee come and go in an endless procession day and night without any more danger than slipping on the ice or falling down drunk.

is it possible that some young punk ass wanna be purse snatcher or drunk skinhead could just be lurking around looking for a victim, at the time you pulled up? sure, why not. but you'd have the same odds as any other of the millions and millions of russians that come and go day after day night after night to encounter trouble.

i know, but you're talking about 2 tramps setting you up to get rolled after midnight, not just a normal citizen inviting you in for afternoon tea. were they making mobile calls in the taxi on the way? well, we wouldn't know what the hell they were saying anyway, but getting beat for your money by two unsophisticated tramps also seems very far above the normal level of comfort for a russian tramp. wh0ring is an established way of life, its an accepted historic part of society, at worst, they pay a tribute fine to the nice police.

unless they are at the very utmost desperate fringes of the tramp lifestyle, say with a husband or boyfriend that owes enormous debts to the mafia, and knows he'll soon be executed and therefore not normally worried about the consequences of armed robbery, that might be a scenario, but certainly the extreme case. armed robbery will produce a 10 year slave labor vacation in the gulag.

the rest is not even worth mentioning, and certainly your descriptions written to make it sound dramatic, are absurdly naive.

every stairway is smelly, because all ukrainians drink 2 six-packs a day and can't always find a bathroom, so its easier and safer to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in the stairs than outside in the bushes, cause its a little warmer in the stairs, and outside there's just not that many bushes, and outside some wary babushka is likely to spy you pissing in the bushes and start raising a fuss and yelling "motherfucker!!" and chasing you down the street as you're running and zipping up your fly. if she catches you in the stairs, she'll just throw an empty vodka bottle at your head and scream "bum!! fucking no good bum!!", but she won't chase you down the street.

stairways are all rotten too, cause nobody takes care of them because nobody could be bothered to spend a single kopek on anything outside their own door. they don't have busybody condo commandos yet, after 4 generations of secret police and everyone spying and reporting on everyone else, people keep to themselves and don't make waves, unless it comes to security for their parked cars, that is, for the few that have them.

across the street from my flat, there is a 24 hour "security" guy, who has a job to watch the car park, probably he spends most night drunk and sleeping, but even if i am waiting by the street at 4 am for some escort to find my address, i usually see him standing around, so maybe he's not sleeping all the time. but at 5 degrees c, without vodka he'd be frozen, so.....

lights and elevators that don't work???? why would anyone want to spend 8 hrivna for a fucking lightbulb???? you know how many pickled cucumbers and onions you can buy with 8 hr?? are you crazy or something??

finally, the most awful apartment you've ever seen is just a typical version of the tramps working environment. its not their mama's home, its where they work, and their work is blow jobs and 5 minute nutting for horny dirty gruff russian low class customers, get it over with and get out, and get back to drinking and smoking and waiting around for another trick.

every tramp house looks like that, because its not their home, its their workplace, and its as low scale as it gets. in fact, as they care nothing about how the stairways appear, they care even less how their flophouse does, so its probably much nicer in the stairs. ever fucked a wh0re in the stairs???

Hecker

10-28-09, 15:54

The Moral of hecker's excellent report for newbies like myself, is to avoid visiting girls in their apartments, as you never know what lies behined that door, and you could get robbed or worse.

Safer, cheaper, and cleaner, is to have the girls come over to you.

I did meet one girl in RB, who gave me her card, and she was a translater, and in fact I have her card right in front of me NOW, and her name is VALERIA MACHKOVA, with her photo.

She is quite attractive with dyed reddish hair.

IS she, by any chance the same one, or is she one of many in Kiev? No, she has a different name and she is blond. The card did not contain her photo. She opened her legs in taxi and started massaging my crotch over trousers while I fingered her. The taxi driver looked sometimes in the mirror although he did not say anything. The taxi went far and far away. Soon we were very far from any area which could remind me of sth.

I have stayed in communist style apartments (not renovated) and I know how the inside usually looks and I know that homes are always neglected but this building was the worst of the worst imaginable. You didn't even know what expected you in next floor (we went to 9th floor) and you did not know if there were any stairs where you would next step because there was no light at all in the corridor.

With girls becoming crazy and angry by darkness and having drunk in the club and with their mobiles ringing sometimes, I did not know what to expect. There were no other buildings around in big blocks as it usually happens with communist houses. It was a real shithole.

From my experience in EE I have found that it pays off to go for the challenge (although I had 2-3 bad incidents which could cost big time) especially if you know the language and that there is no danger that you cannot really pay for or bribe or whatever.

The girls did BBBJ continuous and took the sperm in the mouth although not swallowing. They also licked ass, not bad at all.

Basically a lot of what happens in EE(I include Poland there as well) is like a movie horror and porn. And the next day was not less crazy with hooking up and dating girls in Kreshatik and grand finale with freebie at home after a hot date with her with a rash alterance of places and a rather crazy walk in Kreshatik, people who know Ukraine will understand what is all about and the flood and change of emotions.

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Monsoon64

10-28-09, 19:39

Brandon88

10-28-09, 20:32

Thank you, as I am heading back to Kiev in Nov.

THE president, looks the better deal, so I can have a look at the goodies, before taking the plunge, unlike the internet.

WILL SEE, if can bring them down to my price range?

As I spent countless days and nights in the President, before Cruiser pulled me out of that prison, I do fondly remember the lobby lounge crew there. Most of them were older than the RP crowd, one or two significantly so, but of the regular evening staff of about 6 or 7, a few of them were quite good looking. Note that I'm very choosy.
If you are there alone, it's easy to chat one up and then casually stroll over to the elevator and up to your room.
If you are with work colleagues, things get very dicey, as the only internet access is in the lobby, so people tend to work there right in the midst of the potential action. The tactic I suggest in this case is to go up to the bar to order a drink, and make brief conversation with the Mama who stations herself there most of the time. She is heavy-set and blond. Tell her which girl you like, and either slip her your phone or room number and then go upstairs.
Be it known that the girl will have to fork $50 to security anytime they are observed going upstairs, and believe me they do keep close watch. So keep that in mind if trying to negotiate. Mama no doubt gets a cut and god knows who else in the hotel staff. Generally speaking, they are very firm on the rate, but they don't throw out a pie in the sky like the RP girls do. In the boom times, most of them were going for $200 per hour, although I did get a 'special' offer of $150 from one of the older ones. Definitely an advantage to using the lobby ATM to get the Hrivna exchange rate advantage here, although they will of course take dollars or euros.

If you are not staying at the hotel, you can get there by whatever means possible, have a drink in the lobby, make arrangements with one or more you like for another time at your apartment. They all own their own cars and are probably agreeable to a cut rate special at your place where they don't need to pay off the mafia. I can personally attest to the fact that if they like you (e.g. you are not a creep), you may find yourself sleeping in their (quite nice) apartment for an all nighter for a small donation.

I hope this is useful for anyone interested in a change of pace from the usual haunts, or anyone stuck for 3 weeks at the hotel in winter, like I was.

Jojosun

10-29-09, 00:18

As I spent countless days and nights in the President, before Cruiser pulled me out of that prison, I do fondly remember the lobby lounge crew there. Most of them were older than the RP crowd, one or two significantly so, but of the regular evening staff of about 6 or 7, a few of them were quite good looking. Note that I'm very choosy.

If you are there alone, it's easy to chat one up and then casually stroll over to the elevator and up to your room.

If you are with work colleagues, things get very dicey, as the only internet access is in the lobby, so people tend to work there right in the midst of the potential action. The tactic I suggest in this case is to go up to the bar to order a drink, and make brief conversation with the Mama who stations herself there most of the time. She is heavy-set and blond. Tell her which girl you like, and either slip her your phone or room number and then go upstairs.

Be it known that the girl will have to fork $50 to security anytime they are observed going upstairs, and believe me they do keep close watch. So keep that in mind if trying to negotiate. Mama no doubt gets a cut and god knows who else in the hotel staff. Generally speaking, they are very firm on the rate, but they don't throw out a pie in the sky like the RP girls do. In the boom times, most of them were going for $200 per hour, although I did get a 'special' offer of $150 from one of the older ones. Definitely an advantage to using the lobby ATM to get the Hrivna exchange rate advantage here, although they will of course take dollars or euros.

If you are not staying at the hotel, you can get there by whatever means possible, have a drink in the lobby, make arrangements with one or more you like for another time at your apartment. They all own their own cars and are probably agreeable to a cut rate special at your place where they don't need to pay off the mafia. I can personally attest to the fact that if they like you (e.g. you are not a creep), you may find yourself sleeping in their (quite nice) apartment for an all nighter for a small donation.

I hope this is useful for anyone interested in a change of pace from the usual haunts, or anyone stuck for 3 weeks at the hotel in winter, like I was.Brandon, sitting here in london, reading your very informative and detailed report, opened new possiblities for me in KIEV.

ALL, I can say is thank you very much for putting in the time and effort, very much appreciated.

Cruiser D

10-29-09, 00:18

I hate to break it to you Bez, but yes they do. :D

They don't have busybody condo commandos yet,

Brandon, wow, all that time you wasted at a hotel. But the plus was the lobby girls I guess. I should be in Kyiv this winter for 4-6 weeks. Yah!

Bez Bezarra

10-29-09, 01:49

I hate you Bez.

I suppose that Hecker's wh0res' condo board of directors made sure the
stairway stunk to high hell from [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), and the lights and the lift don't work.

HunterDave

10-29-09, 04:40

Posted a few pics from Trip # 1, will work on Trip #2 pics soon. Wanted to get some of my observations, lessons learned from Trip # 2 below. I have started to write up Trip # 3 and will post soon since I have received numerous PMs from many of you on latest info before several travel to Kiev in the next few weeks. If you are going let me know because I did ask several girls if they would like to meet some of my "friends" who also visit Kiev and theyh said yes.

Kiev Trip #2 Observations

While using the cell phone that the apartment let me use was good and clearly better than my last trip to Kiev, I think I will probably buy a cheap unlocked phone and get a sim card and buy the minutes. This way I will be able to keep my number for future trips and can add hotties I want to keep numbers on for future visits. I should have thought of this earlier this month on my second visit. Always trying to improve for future visits!

I don't know what happened with the sheets this time. Either they used some cheap detergent to wash them or I was riding those women for so long and so hard that I got sheet (or in as they say in wrestling-"mat burns") burns on my knees. They were all red from that first night with RP Irina that by Day 4 the girls were asking me what happened there on my knees so I had to tell them that I had fallen down and rubbed my knees. I thought that was better than telling them that I had been fucking so many women in that bed that I had sheet burns from the intense riding. The pain we mongerers have to endure for freebies and p4p. Such a hard life. But the hunt must go on for new and hot pussy.

Wi FI is a must. I scored with 4 women on first contact on mamba the same day. Plus follow-up with 5 others from earlier online chatting also paid off. Just like a local number cell phone, wi fi is also a necessary tool in your mongerer kit. Without it you are just a blind squirrel hunting, sure the blind squirrel can eventually find a loose nut, but will not know all that are around him to collect and ravage. Don't get an apartment without this tool! My night with Valery (Day 3) we bought a few candles to make things a bit more romantic. As always fucking in candlelight seemed to heighten her sensuality and made the evening more intimate. Since I had them I went ahead used them a few times more on Day 4 night. Actually received a few compliments from the other ladies. Not a bad little add on to the mongering. Avery nice touch!

I was most impressed with most of the punctuality of the women, only Anna, Day 4 night, was late an hour. Most of all the others were there at my place on time or within 15 minutes to what was agreed. I also liked that most of the p4p treated this like a rendezvous with a secret lover than as a sex for money business deal. Only two of the 9 p4p asked for their money upfront, Girl #1 (Day 1) and Maria from RP, Day 4, (I think these 2 actually worked for pimps or an organization) Both were good lays but very businesslike. But hey, I sure did not kick them out of bed till I was finished with them. Both were great lays and hugged and kissed me when they left. I hope these lessons help other mongerers when they finally make their next trip to Kiev. Wish I could spend more time there, but I will tell you a good 4 day trip seems to be about right (this upcoming trip is only 3 days). I am never tired of nailing a good looking woman, but I do not sleep much while there and over time it does tend to have a cumulative effect in my bedroom workouts. But I do hope to see if I can make it there for a good 7 or 8 day trip to see how well I can perform.

I did try some cialis (10 mg) twice. First time I ever tried ED meds and to tell you the truth I did not see a difference. My time between erections may have been short but they were the about the same as my first trip and I still was then able to "rise" to the occasion. Now that I have tried it, not sure if I should stop to keep the hard-ons coming. Guess the jury is still out on the ED meds. I'm sure as I get older they will become a must. The things we have to do to please all these hotties!

Pics of the women seems to be tabu with them. They say they do not want to have their fotos on the internet. Many of the mamba freebies or not quite p4p are guarded when it comes to fotos. Since I am not meeting many at places and they came to my apartment they become rather cautious very fast when you ask. And I do not plan to jeopardize my chances on getting them in bed so I do not press much. I lay my Sony camera right there on the coffee table for each of them to see hoping they might want me to take a foto, but none have even mentioned the camera nor a desire to take a foto. My Nikon camera with the video capability is always laying in the bedroom lens uncapped looking to the center of the bedroom. I have only had two girls even try to cover the lens up or to make sure it is not on. Of course when they ask I tell them it is not. Will let you know how this next trip (#3) goes.

The Hunter

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Gergiev

10-29-09, 05:00

The moral here is to play on your own ground in Kiev. I am going back to kiev in nov, and will have a word with the security guy, and see what he says about your experience at river palace, and will keep me eyes open.

JJS, will be interesting to see if you get any worthwhile feedback about that...

Jojosun

10-29-09, 10:09

JJS, will be interesting to see if you get any worthwhile feedback about that...I doubt it ,but no harm in trying ,or raising the subject with him,at least he will know ,that there are serious concerns and discussions going on,and at the end of the day,customers bring in more money than one or 2 crooked hookers .

Jojosun

10-29-09, 10:57

I totally agree with Bez. For all you would be mongerers there is life outside Khreshatik and the $300 a night apartments you rent. Try slumming it once in a while. Venture out of the centre where Bez's description is totally accurate. People life in shit holes. It does not mean they are dangerous. Try Hydro Park on a Sunday night. Packed with pissed heads but perfectly safe.

Visit an out of town brothel hidden behind Iron Gates with Uzi wielding security greeting you as you tell them your here for women.

There is life outside River Palace. And the country is blessed with gorgeous girls. Sample cheap diners, tacky disco's. Visit Perigova and see what life is like village style. Fly town to Crimea. Go live with the Tatars. Go Saturday Night Fevering in Arcadia in Odessa.

99% of you will meet the same girls in your short mongering careers

1% will live the life

When guys like Bez and Irish Lad talk. Read and take in what they say and you will be rewarded with Pussy Heaven.Prior to landing in the city of gorgeous girls I read and reread the reports here and on other forums, and asked so many questions, that I was FLAMED once.

The verdict was, that there are no brothels in kiev, and the apartments, that have 2 or 3 girls working incalls, will be advertising them as SALONS, well here is a new term, I have never heard before.

So now you tell us, that there are out of town brothels (behined iron gates), I have been to similar ones, just outside Belgrade, Serbia.

Would you care to expand on the above? Where are such brothels, names, town, location, telephone nos? .

I am sure, river palace is not real Kiev, and before I left London, I vowed to myself, never pay in kiev, more than, what I would pay in london, but I must admit it was difficult with the beauties of RP, but I stuck to my wallet.

Other places, would need a command of the Russian language.

Thank you for reminding us about Hydro Park on a Sunday Night, I think I will drag with me the same taxi driver, who accompanied me to that strip club TIXI OMUT on the other side of town, well here is a great place, that no other mongerer is willing to try.

Hecker

10-29-09, 22:43

i totally agree with bez. for all you would be mongerers there is life outside khreshatik and the $300 a night apartments you rent. try slumming it once in a while. venture out of the centre where bez's description is totally accurate. people life in shit holes. it does not mean they are dangerous. try hydro park on a sunday night. packed with pissed heads but perfectly safe.

visit an out of town brothel hidden behind iron gates with uzi wielding security greeting you as you tell them your here for women.

there is life outside river palace. and the country is blessed with gorgeous girls. sample cheap diners, tacky disco's. visit perigova and see what life is like village style. fly town to crimea. go live with the tatars. go saturday night fevering in arcadia in odessa.

99% of you will meet the same girls in your short mongering careers

1% will live the life

when guys like bez and irish lad talk. read and take in what they say and you will be rewarded with pussy heaven.if you had come to kiev at 22.00 after a 7 hour flight with waiting at airports and delays and after you had to work in the morning and had just this night and the next day to spend in kiev and had a girl in your apartment,i doubt if you would ever get out of your apartment,ley alone navigate the folk discos and remote areas of kiev.

the guys you mention have plenty of time in their hands.the point is to increase speed to kill the time effect.this increases the risk as well but it is the quick alteration which counts.give the other one a time frame of some hours and he will fail miserably.this is the procedure.to act with a time constraint.

sth they demand on job and if they saw how we use the scientific thought etc they gave us,they would kick us out big time.

Bez Bezarra

10-30-09, 02:56

Get Back JoJo!!

While I can't say that Monsoon blowing all that smoke up MY ass didn't feel interesting, please take all that jazz with a large pinch of salt, ok?

There's definitely more than 1% of guys on the prowl in Arcadia's discos, and the ladies there would hardly be interested in an old fart like myself.

Complaining about being flamed is poofy, just respond to clear the air if its unjustified.

There was Rest Town in Kiev before. Now there's sauna's, Cruiser can explain how to FIND the numbers, or just look in What's On, there was about 20 numbers before. He can also explain whether each one has girls there when you walk in, which technically makes it a brothel, though does 2 girls make a brothel?? Or if when you arrive, they just call some agency to send over 2 girls, so you can "choose". He'll also explain that saunas and salons are the same thing, I think.

The whole point of that, in keeping with Monsoon's point, is, is this where local Ukrainian men go, or are the salons and saunas where sex tourists go?

Which leads to a more important question, which agencies do local Ukrainian men call for pussy? The same ones as non-locals?? Kiev being the capital, certainly there are always MORE russian speaking businessmen visiting at any time, than non-russian speaking tourists, so which agencies do they call??

Nobody really discusses that here.......

And that leads to another subject, out of town brothels behind some Iron gates??? Where ever the hell those places are hiding in Ukraine, you'll need some locals to find. If the phones numbers and addresses are on the internet, I don't know where, except for the ones in Spain, Germany, Austria, Holland, Belgium, and Switzerland.

The filthy horrid apartments where Hecker gets his blow jobs are the only kind of places you'll find in the newspaper, they ain't no FKK's!

Next lesson- DON'T limit which places you enter by your lack of speaking Russian, just drag your taxi driver inside to negotiate for you, thats super easy!

Hydro Park- YES! Tixi Omut- YES!! Monsoon and I agree with YOU! :p

Cruiser D

10-30-09, 04:10

Bez are you regressing into a noob?

Hunter Dave...big wink and head nod.

Bez Bezarra

10-30-09, 07:57

No, I'm noobing into a regression.

Are you winking at Hunter to give him head?

Bez Bezarra

10-30-09, 08:09

If you had come to Kiev at 22.00 after a 7 hour flight with waiting at airports and delays and after you had to work in the morning and had just this night and had a girl in your apartment,I doubt if you would ever get out of your apartment.

How about a hectic day working from 7.00 to 13.00, then drive 80 miles to the airport through traffic, then 19 hours of airports and flights to Kiev at 16.00, then depart Kiev by train next morning at 6.00?

I don't get out much.

Jojosun

10-30-09, 12:53

get back jojo!!

while i can't say that monsoon blowing all that smoke up my ass didn't feel interesting, please take all that jazz with a large pinch of salt, ok?

complaining about being flamed is poofy, just respond to clear the air if its unjustified.

there was rest town in kiev before. now there's sauna's, cruiser can explain how to find the numbers, or just look in what's on, there was about 20 numbers before. he can also explain whether each one has girls there when you walk in, which technically makes it a brothel, though does 2 girls make a brothel?? or if when you arrive, they just call some agency to send over 2 girls, so you can "choose". he'll also explain that saunas and salons are the same thing, i think.

the whole point of that, in keeping with monsoon's point, is, is this where local ukrainian men go, or are the salons and saunas where sex tourists go?

and that leads to another subject, out of town brothels behind some iron gates??? where ever the hell those places are hiding in ukraine, you'll need some locals to find. if the phones numbers and addresses are on the internet, i don't know where, except for the ones in spain, germany, austria, holland, belgium, and switzerland.

the filthy horrid apartments where hecker gets his blow jobs are the only kind of places you'll find in the newspaper, they ain't no fkk's!

next lesson- don't limit which places you enter by your lack of speaking russian, just drag your taxi driver inside to negotiate for you, thats super easy!

hydro park- yes! tixi omut- yes!! monsoon and i agree with you! :phi bez.

even the jury in the uk, is still out on what would technichally makes a place a brothel?

an apartment with more than one girl working in it is a (brothel), but the other girl can get round this point, by saying, that she is the maid and only does the cleaning and looking after the apartment and does not handle the money herself. so if a client hands over the money to the lady, that he is not shagging, then he has entered a brothel, which from a legal point of view, is not illegal for the monger, but illegal for the girls.

prostiution in the uk is not illegal, but prostituting is

so ifyou take a look round all the soho walk ups in london, where prositutes are working, you will see small cards discreetly displayed on the front doors showing models inside. this in itself is legal, but for a girl from the apartment upstairs, to stick her head out of the window or to stand by the window, signalling to passers by, is illegal, as she is prostituting herself.

so you are asking does two girls in a sauna makes a brothel ? .

in london and the uk, it is not., provided, they are not offering sexual services. but they would need all the cctv and police forces of the world to enforce it. sexual services is ment fs here. but what is the situation with two or more girls working in saunas in the ukraine? massage places in kiev offering very happy ending are legal right? , but what happens if you get the full works fs and all, from a legal point of view, for the monger in this case? .

i think i did ask this question about saunas offering fs in kiev, but can't remember getting exact locatons, but will look up what'son next time in kiev.

on the subject of river palace girls. i worked out their prices last night, as i was comparing the $300, that they ask for 2 or 3 or possibly longer hours, with the rates posted on models.com and escorts models. and if you add up what these girls on the sites ask for ph, it would come closely to the rates charged by the rp girls, but in rp you get to see the actual goodies on display before you take the plunge. so that would be on a par forlike to like if the pictures were real. rp girls not suitable for me, being a quality, quantity and speed man, in my mongering activities.

tixi omut strip club, is a mystery for me i am determined to resolve this time. the one and only poster, who posted on it here never came back to throw further light on it, as it does have a sauna attached to the club, and there is a place upstairs, where i kept seeing girls going there constantly.

this club had some beautiful girls, entrance only 40 uah, drinks are cheap, and the concierge in my hotel advised me strongly against visting, comparing the the area with harlem in your ny city. but although i was alone and it was my second night in kiev, and without knowing anyone in kiev, i did go and dragged my taxi driver with me inside the club, he and i had great time with the two lovelies there, but unfortunately, this taxi driver did not speak one word of english, so i had to throw all the questions at the fluently speaking girl there, and she denied comletely, that anything would go on in the sauna or upstairs, as the orginal poster here (queenstrib) claimed for 500uah, but i am not convinced by her denial.

my mongering sixth sense tells otherwise.

cheers bez from london uk, never been to tuscon ariz, but would love to visit in the winter.

Bunnyturd

10-30-09, 14:32

Uke Boy

10-30-09, 20:16

Looks like Tymoshenko just ordered massive quarantine due to H1N1. Apparently all school will be closed for 3 weeks. I wonder how that will affect the monger scene. Probably more college girls running around with nothing to do? But will clubs and bars be closed as well?

I will be in Kiev in mid November. Good thing I already got my H1N1 and seasonal flu shots.
Ukrainians are a funny lot. More than a few friends have started to panic today, and I mean REALLY panic, about the H1/N1. These have been what I thought normally adjusted people. How wrong I am. They have decided to cut off most human contact doing what is absolutely necessary. And, Bunny, no one gets any shots here since there are no doses for N1/N1.

I suspect this will now also have a serious impact on the monger scene with some ladies staying home and others being very cautious. If you cough or sniffle in their presence, forget about sex! The month of November and maybe even December may be a bad time for mongering here. Few ladies and high prices may be the outcome. We will now see what happens.

Just because you have your shots does not mean they will believe you. Just the opposite since they believe no one.

Jojosun

10-30-09, 20:57

Ukrainians are a funny lot. More than a few friends have started to panic today, and I mean REALLY panic, about the H1/N1. These have been what I thought normally adjusted people. How wrong I am. They have decided to cut off most human contact doing what is absolutely necessary. And, Bunny, no one gets any shots here since there are no doses for N1/N1.

I suspect this will now also have a serious impact on the monger scene with some ladies staying home and others being very cautious. If you cough or sniffle in their presence, forget about sex! The month of November and maybe even December may be a bad time for mongering here. Few ladies and high prices may be the outcome. We will now see what happens.

Just because you have your shots does not mean they will believe you. Just the opposite since they believe no one.Now I am asking myself, why in the F. K, did I log in here, right now, before landing in kiev next week? .

This is the first time, I have heard of this, and there is no way I am going to cancel, where is my face Condom?

UKE BOY, don't you ever break in, good news for me, from Kiev?

NOW, I will definetely need my nappies and hankies changed in Kiev? Any volunteers?

Females only please.

Bez Bezarra

10-31-09, 00:47

They have decided to cut off most human contact doing what is absolutely necessary.

They'd need to close schools until April to stop H1N1, so how do they do that?

Anything similar happening in Russia?

Explorer69

10-31-09, 01:50

Is a mystery for me I am determined to resolve this time. The one and only poster, who posted on it here never came back to throw further light on it, as it does have a sauna attached to the club, and there is a place upstairs, where I kept seeing girls going there constantly.

THis club had some beautiful girls, entrance only 40 uah, drinks are cheap, and the concierge in my hotel advised me strongly against visting, comparing the the area with Harlem in your NY city. But although I was alone and it was my second night in kiev, and without knowing anyone in kiev, I did go and dragged my taxi driver with me inside the club, he and I had great time with the two lovelies there, but unfortunately, this taxi driver did not speak one word of english, so I had to throw all the questions at the fluently speaking girl there, and she denied comletely, that anything would go on in the sauna or upstairs, as the orginal poster here (QUEENSTRIB) claimed for 500uah, but I am not convinced by her denial.What is this strip club and where is it?

Skane Henrik

10-31-09, 01:55

If I understood the Ukrainian news correctly (Telekanal STB), the Belarussian border patrul, has stepped up their Pandemic level due to the situation in Ukrainian, it looks like it could soon be a shut-down on the border. Maybe the border has been shut down already. Maybe countries like Egypt, Turkey, could soon do the same.

Better watch out!

Gergiev

10-31-09, 02:05

And, Bunny, no one gets any shots here since there are no doses for N1/N1.

I suspect this will now also have a serious impact on the monger scene with some ladies staying home and others being very cautious.

UB, it's not all doom and gloom.

On a more positive note there must be some kind of outside chance that our malignant colleague "Near Loco Is" will contract this virus somewhere on his inexhaustible odyssey for the perfect SBJ and we'll be rid of his pestilent presence for good...

Jojosun

10-31-09, 15:08

UB, it's not all doom and gloom.

On a more positive note there must be some kind of outside chance that our malignant colleague "Near Loco Is" will contract this virus somewhere on his inexhaustible odyssey for the perfect SBJ and we'll be rid of his pestilent presence for good...I was so happy, when I was kiev, with my catch of the day from Personal ads in Kiev post, real models $80 ph. Sent one no to Hunter Dave.

So was looking forward to repeat, the experience, next time I am in kiev.

Uke boy, had to break in the news to me, that a Pakistani businssman has bought the paper, and the first thing, he is going to do is to close the Erotic Section in the paper.

So not a Russian businessman (LIKE the one who bought the british Evening Standard for £1) or any other businssman with a liberal background, but a strict Pakistani Businssman. My Luck

And just when I was kindly assured here, that I can look forward to months even years of happy mongerin g in kiev, despite any outcome in the January Elections, that blondie might win, uke boy breaks in the news, that it is going to be Months of Gloom and Doom in ukraine. This time H1/N1 swine Flu.

Some Boom Boom in the Horizon anytime soon?

Jojosun

10-31-09, 15:18

What is this strip club and where is it?Look in my kiev report, I haven't got the card on me at the moment.

IT is on the other side of town on the river (EAST SIDE) next to a fish restaurant called (XATA RABATA) house of fisherman.

Open from 8pm till 7am

You are the first monger here to express interest, pm me for phone nos.

Jojosun

10-31-09, 15:22

Meashearim

10-31-09, 15:57

Hi Scandic,

I still have a limited experience of Kiev, only been here a month, but here's my answers to your questions:

1) I avoid websites. Too many scams. Don't wanna waste my time rejecting girls all day long till they send a djevuska 'good enough'.

2) Yes, it is possible for a $100-catch at RP. But then you have to hit the lower range of beauties. And I guess you want the top-line, so be ready to pay $200. Some stuck-up girls even want more – they are just impossible to negotiate with. People here live in a big denial of reality. I hope the combination of fewer tourists and the fact that it is winter will bring down prices.

3) I also prefer normal girls, but they are my plan B. No one can be trusted in this country, so if you end up with a girlfriend from Ukraine you need first to bug her mobile phone, and second, hire a detective firm.

And since you don't speak Russian, it is basically "dasvidanja" with your ambitions to get anywhere with normal girls in Kiev. But don't worry about that, since all girls who want to rip you off know good enough English.

I will try the normal stage tonight (Saturday), see if I will catch some fish, or what the story will be.

4) I have only tried two strip clubs (Haifa and Rio), so I don't know so much about them. But a lap-dance is not so expensive. I will have tried all the strip clubs later this month when I get back-up from home!

Btw, grattis till VM-platsen I fotboll!

Going to Kiev in January, from Denmark. Mon-wed. Would be happy if anyone could give an input.

1) Found some beauties on www.sexzona.co.ua. Price about 100 USD. Any experience? Real girls, and safe?

2) River Palace. Possible to get a hot one for 100 USD?

3) I strongly prefer normal girls, paying is back-up plan. Most guys say Kiev is difficult for pulling freebies, but I see some of you have other experiences. I speak no russian/ukrainian, I am early thirties and have ok game. Would the girls speak english? Is Arena the best place for going out? Other thoughts?

4) What are the strip clubs like, for example at Arena? Very expensive? Like getting a lap dance, or possible for more? Better options? I have found som info about this on the forum though.

Thanks for any info.

Uke Boy

10-31-09, 16:43

Sorry about the flow of bad news Jojo but it is what it is and next week you may well just be a loner. The news is all about the H1N1 and the present panic. It is irrational fear but it is fear nonetheless. This is normal flu season anyway and telling the difference between H1N1 and a normal flu may be difficult here. The news is that the epidemic which is now confined to Western Ukraine with more than 40,000 reported ill will reach Kiev within a few days. People are now walking about with surgical masks and they are all sold out in the drugstores.

I was out earlier and while it is a Staurday, it does seem that there are fewer people out or in transport. However, it also turned much colder and that may also have something to do with things. Dress warm, right now it is 0 degress C and below that at night.

Jojo, I do suggest you get a large supply of the masks and bring them here. If you do not use them, you can make a killing in re-selling them. I am not kidding. You might be able to even trade sex for masks.

I am not sure about the clubs and what will happen. They will probably be open but numbers will likely be lower than normal. If and most likely when the epidemic hits here in the way it has affected western parts of the country, then all bets are off about what will or will not be open. What I now see on the local net news and TV news sites is not good. In other words, it looks like it just may be very chaotic here for the next few weeks, but what else is new in Ukraine?

How lucky of me to be leaving for a few weeks tomorrow!

Kurenda

10-31-09, 18:07

UA government is about to block western Ukraine. Towns Lvov, Rovno, Ivano-Frankivsk, etc. Thimoshenko just said travelling will be forbidden unless there's justified reason. Is mongering a justified reason enough he he?
Maybe it's true maybe it's not, maybe it has to do something with upcoming elections. Like there will be no rallies, etc. So the parties in the west will have less voters and Thimoshenko and Yanukovich more.
Didn't heard than in UA anybody died officially from H1N1 but when it happens than things will be on more higher level of something.
Belarus stepped control on it's south border. Border guards stopped number of people from Lvov to enter. They complained but got answer "address your government". Also there's proposition that for belarus visa a proof of H1N1 vaccination will be required as longs as it's needed.

Jojosun

10-31-09, 20:38

GreenRoamer

10-31-09, 21:26

Look in my kiev report, I haven't got the card on me at the moment.

IT is on the other side of town on the river (EAST SIDE) next to a fish restaurant called (XATA RABATA) house of fisherman.

Open from 8pm till 7am

You are the first monger here to express interest, pm me for phone nos.

metro stop might be "Kharkovski-Raion"

Jojosun

10-31-09, 23:33

metro stop might be "Kharkovski-Raion"

Hold on just got back from the Pub.

M. KHIB, BYA. PeByiiBkofo 2

This ON THE CARD FOR THE PLACE

THXHH

OMYT

Erotic show

Tel 8 (044) 562 75 79.

Hi/N1 or the plague, I will be there next week, with my newly accquired buddy and taxi driver (ROMAN) from last trip, who speaks 0 English, and I am fluent in 3 words DA

Nyet.

SBASYBA.

ONLY effect on me this time no DFK.

METRO, haven't got a look, where even to look for the one in kiev.

With my roman, the break down.

From Kreschick to TIXI omut, and I ask him to join me for over an hour in the club, and drops me back to RIVER palace At 3am for 70 uah.

I give him 100 uah, and nice time was had by all.

Bring on the Swines.

Bez Bezarra

11-01-09, 00:01

I prefer normal girls, but none can be trusted in this country, so if you end up with a girlfriend from Ukraine you need first to bug her mobile phone, and second, hire a detective firm.

And since you don't speak Russian, it is basically "dasvidanja" with your ambitions to get anywhere with normal girls in Kiev. But don't worry about that, since all girls who want to rip you off know good enough English.

Its just the way it is.

Kurenda

11-01-09, 00:18

DJ FourMoney

11-01-09, 05:39

In Ukraine and Russia foreigner will be just that.
A foreigner and nothing else and thus only matter his money and the way to take it.
For those who wants a normal girls the best is to look for them in their own country.
And those who come to Ukraine to look for normal girls and maybe take them as wives (which is the wrong move one way or another) should seriously think what are they doing.

Wow aren't we negative...

I happen to think the sampling is a bit too small to make wide generalization. To say there no "normal" women in these countries can't be correct. That's like saying there no good women in North America, Western Europe, Asia or South America, we all know that's not true either.

I think the same goes for any place on the planet -

If you shoot for the moon (the finest girl you can find) you'll likely end up with somebody that isn't adjusted well to normal life because they've never lived one.

How many girls that have model looks in say Russia are Cinderella? Not many, most of them have been plucked by serious "players" in their own country, discovered by some modelling agency or has gone into adult entertainment.

I assume many here when they say "Normal" girls, meaning girls not looking to leave their home country. This is a false belief held by many it seems now days that these women are more "pure" than harden serial daters, opportunist and con-women.

Younger women (as much as many of us love them) are often motivated by many factors including finding somebody for a long term relationship. Correct me if I'm wrong but several people have written that if your in school (in Eastern Europe), you are generally broke, by Western Standards. Then wouldn't these girls be opportunist in varying degrees?

If your seeking somebody long term, I think the rules that you find locally apply overseas as well, but those aren't hard and fast rules either.

AColonizer

11-01-09, 10:28

Hi Kurenda.

I completely agree with you. That is the same thing said by my first shocking Ukrainian girl: that is just a matter of European passport and money!

I know that feeling and I know how big is the risk but I know, when man plays right cards, he sometimes wins the game.

When the risk is the happiness or the death of our progeny, I am sure that risk is reasonable if man doesn't make himself scammed in stupid way!

About girls of our own countries, you are right again but you can't guess how disgusting is the female system in some countries such as Italy: beauty and feminity, of Italian girls, are low level (Monica Bellucci is ONE only girl in Italy!) plus Italian girls want economic stability as much as Ukrainian girls.

In Ukraine and Russia foreigner will be just that.

A foreigner and nothing else and thus only matter his money and the way to take it.
For those who wants a normal girls the best is to look for them in their own country.
And those who come to Ukraine to look for normal girls and maybe take them as wives (which is the wrong move one way or another) should seriously think what are they doing.

Northern Guy

11-01-09, 14:19

Meashearim: Thanks, for both :)

I don't really like websites either, but prefer to see what I can get. The sexzona.com.ua still caught my eye though, both for quaility and being cheaper than RP. 200 USD sounds too much... That's also why I thought maybe a stripclub could lead to something cheaper (I still want pretty women though).

About normal girls, who are priority number one (it's better when I have to work for it.) I was thinking one night stand (or two), and nothing more. I'm not looking for a wife, and I'm not an easy prey for a gold-digger. Basically, the key is how good english young women in Kiev speak. According to you, I should be very careful if I happen to find one who does. Point taken. I will still hit the nightclubs (or day-appraches) and see how I go though, but let my big head do the thinking.

Kurenda

11-01-09, 19:22

DJ I'm not negative, it's just the situation.
There are normal girls in Ukraine and Russia as well as any other country.
But they are mostly interested in their own men.
Only the economic situation is different.
But most females want CCC system: cocks, cash, children.
I saw a research in Ukraine on 10 000 females age 18-25 with question "would you marry a foreign man". 63% said "no" while the rest would under conditions like he must be from Europe, he must be slavic and preferably orthodox christian.
Which means they want a Russian or Ukrainian guy living in Europe with good position. I doubt they want to marry a polish farmer.
But in EE it also has to do with upbringing. If the girls live in stable family, where parents are married for like 30 years she wants the same for herself.
The simple thing is to ask the girl about her family. If the family is good she will tell you at once about her parents and grandparents how good they are. If the family is "bad" with divorce and drinking she will act offended by questions about family.
On the other hand DJ you being a black guy and searching for serious relations/marriage in Ukraine how's your success? I'm sure not many of them are interested in black guy. I suggest you to try Romania because in USA great majority of black men who married women from EE got them in Romania.

AColonizer

11-01-09, 20:03

Oh my God, the CCC system: my same paradigma that I posted more than a year ago.

Just an opinion. Since in Italy most Slavics are 90% Romanian, I have experienced Romanians are much more sneaky than other Slavics.

If DJ is both black and rich, I think he could try with Italians too (young Italians dream to fuck black men). If he is not rich, he, like everybody else, always has hard life with all girls.

DJ I'm not negative, it's just the situation.

There are normal girls in Ukraine and Russia as well as any other country.

But they are mostly interested in their own men.

Only the economic situation is different.

But most females want CCC system: cocks, cash, children.

I saw a research in Ukraine on 10 000 females age 18-25 with question "would you marry a foreign man". 63% said "no" while the rest would under conditions like he must be from Europe, he must be slavic and preferably orthodox christian.

Which means they want a Russian or Ukrainian guy living in Europe with good position. I doubt they want to marry a polish farmer.

But in EE it also has to do with upbringing. If the girls live in stable family, where parents are married for like 30 years she wants the same for herself.

The simple thing is to ask the girl about her family. If the family is good she will tell you at once about her parents and grandparents how good they are. If the family is "bad" with divorce and drinking she will act offended by questions about family.
On the other hand DJ you being a black guy and searching for serious relations / marriage in Ukraine how's your success? I'm sure not many of them are interested in black guy. I suggest you to try Romania because in USA great majority of black men who married women from EE got them in Romania.

Kurenda

11-02-09, 16:13

Acolonizer pay attention to this.
In anthropological sense Romanians are NOT slavic people.
They belong to group of romanic people together with Italians, French, Spaniards and Portugese.
They same name of the country speaks for it self: Romania comes from Roma.
As Rocco Siffredi said in one of his porn movies: "Romainans are half Italians" he he.
There are many Romanians in Italy for simple reason - the language has similarities and Romanias easy learn it.
Since most Slav's religion is orthodox and you though Romanians are orthodox too (Moldovans also) this is just historical technicality.
DJ doesn't need to be rich since there are many girls who fants to fuck black guy because of the "black dick thing". The same as many black girls wants to try a white dick. In EE there are many girls who will fuck a black guy but not many of them who will present him to her parents as future husband.

Meashearim

11-02-09, 21:57

Hi Billy Elliot,

I can join you to RP on Sunday the 15th. I have been there all days in a week – except Sundays – so it will be interesting to see how the scene is. And I definitely wanna check out Tixi Omut also. Sounds like my kind of place – Romania pre EU.

I still haven't been to Arena, but will pay it a visit this weekend (I have finally persuaded some students to come with me, the high entrance have scared them off). I can't stand any longer without having been there.

Last weekend I followed my fellow comrades to Radio Disco Hall, situated on the same shore as RP. The scene was pretty similar to Western Europe. Most likely the girls at Arena will be more money-oriented, so it may be easier to get some kind of action there.

Hey Meashearim,

Let me know if you want to have a look at the RP on the Sunday 15 November night, am travelling alone so if anyone else is heading there would be good to have a wingman/friendly advice.

Also let us know how Arena was last weekend? Was it good or over-rated?

Cheers,

Billy

Jojosun

11-03-09, 00:20

Hi Billy Elliot,

I can join you to RP on Sunday the 15th. I have been there all days in a week – except Sundays – so it will be interesting to see how the scene is. And I definitely wanna check out Tixi Omut also. Sounds like my kind of place – Romania pre EU.

I still haven't been to Arena, but will pay it a visit this weekend (I have finally persuaded some students to come with me, the high entrance have scared them off). I can't stand any longer without having been there.

Last weekend I followed my fellow comrades to Radio Disco Hall, situated on the same shore as RP. The scene was pretty similar to Western Europe. Most likely the girls at Arena will be more money-oriented, so it may be easier to get some kind of action there.Meashariem,

Any up dates on the H1/N1 in kiev, you report as if nothing is going on.? Well this is good news, but has it strengthened you negotiating position? An up date is very much appreciated, so I know what discounts to expect.

DJ FourMoney

11-03-09, 00:51

Kurenda & Acolonizer -

Why does it always dissolve into a discussion of "White Women Only Want Me For Curiosity's Sake and no other reason"?

If you say 63% of Slavic College Girls (18-25) don't want to marry a foreign man, what about the other 37%? Does that mean that the other 37% are not good enough for the typical White Male? You mean that same weak argument held in some camps in American Culture?

I would also think most women with two thoughts in their head and any knowledge of American race relations knows that Black Folk aren't rolling in the dough (if your aren't an Entertainer or Athlete) but if I find a way to Europe not via the Military I must have SOME MEANS.

After all, I agree if women are largely looking for Cocks (I prefer Dicks), Cash and Children. Most men can provide this, if were talking average women and not the ones that dream to live in a McMansion and drive a BMW.

I think if only 10% of Western Men even venture to Europe, that matches well with the 37% that are interested.

Slavic Women often describe what type of man they are looking for (European, White, Dark Hair, Italians, Brits, Tall, etc), gee I even found a few profiles on Elena's and Lucky Lovers that even say African-American or Black Non-African decent. They aren't overweight, ugly, nasty, single mothers either. Though some of them are Single Mothers (I know two) I have read that Single Parenthood by Women in EE is largely looked down on. Whatever the motives are, so what, women have MOTIVES what else is new.

Parrish the though but sorry fellas some attractive Slavic Women think Black Men are handsome, intelligent, sexy and would make great fathers and husbands too...

I shouldn't have to use the example of a few of my friends are married to Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, Hungarian or Romanian (as you have stated about interest) women either.

Kurenda

11-03-09, 01:11

AColonizer

11-03-09, 01:31

Yes, I agree but some details.

Italian and Romanian are both neolatin languages but I think there are very different genetic and background between Italians and Romanians. At last, that's true, Romanian girls are pretty similar to Italian girls :(

All Slavics learn Italian easily, that is a genetic charateristic of Slavics.

Acolonizer pay attention to this.

In anthropological sense Romanians are NOT slavic people.

They belong to group of romanic people together with Italians, French, Spaniards and Portugese.

They same name of the country speaks for it self: Romania comes from Roma.
As Rocco Siffredi said in one of his porn movies: "Romainans are half Italians" he he.
There are many Romanians in Italy for simple reason - the language has similarities and Romanias easy learn it.

Since most Slav's religion is orthodox and you though Romanians are orthodox too (Moldovans also) this is just historical technicality.

DJ doesn't need to be rich since there are many girls who fants to fuck black guy because of the "black dick thing". The same as many black girls wants to try a white dick. In EE there are many girls who will fuck a black guy but not many of them who will present him to her parents as future husband.

Fijiman

11-03-09, 04:36

After all, I agree if women are largely looking for Cocks (I prefer Dicks)...

Really? You prefer Dicks??

Hey, I'm not one to judge. Just seems strange considering the topic at hand :-)

Meashearim

11-03-09, 09:47

Hi Jojosun,

No nothing new on the sky unfortunately. Anyhow I didn't notice any difference when I went out Saturday to an Ukrainian local bar, then Radio Disco Hall and at four in the morning I dropped by RP. Maybe the fact that it was Halloween compensated the drop of people usually going out. After this weekend I will be more accurate in my report.

In a logical world it should definitely strengthen my negotiating position, but in a logical world – if I would been an Ukrainian djevuska – I would literally through myself on any foreigner and leave this country for good!

I will check out the scene this weekend, and see if the hard nosed-sushi (all girls here want to have sushi on a date sooner or later) has changed their attitude.

Meashariem,

Any up dates on the H1/N1 in kiev, you report as if nothing is going on.? Well this is good news, but has it strengthened you negotiating position? An up date is very much appreciated, so I know what discounts to expect.

DJ FourMoney

11-03-09, 10:18

Really? You prefer Dicks??

Hey, I'm not one to judge. Just seems strange considering the topic at hand :-)

ROFL, I just never heard any of my friends that weren't Caucasian utter "Cock" that's all, we usually say "I got an average sized dick" for example.

So that would be DCC not CCC

DJ FourMoney

11-03-09, 10:46

"I think if only 10% of Western Men even venture to Europe, that matches well with the 37% that are interested".
DJ you wanted to say 10% of Western men venture to EAST Europe?
All you said is right but this is exeption and not a rule.
Men/women marry other women/men for various reasons.
You say you found few profiles on Elena's and Lucky Lovers that even say African-American or Black Non-African decent which is fine. But also on those sites there are also thousands of those who say "caucasian only", "non muslim",
"not from Africa" etc. In FSU for example racism is more acceptable and common thing than in the west. Last year in Moscow police stations 27 blacks died while in police custody. They were described as "nigerian drug dealers who died upon swallowing their drugs ment for sale". This can be true or not but no body ever questions this and things go on. What would be the situation if this happen in USA or London for example?

I'd say 70-80% of profiles say White/European on all the sites with Eastern European women on it. I have found a majority of them say nothing as well as in "Not Important" and let's be honest here, most women Western, Southern or Eastern are looking for "Few Good Men".

Well given what's happen to some Black Men while in police custody around America, yes that kinda thing happens...

I never let Racism stop me from doing what I want. I walked around Kyiv very late at night and in very dark non-touristy areas and nothing happen. I wasn't overtly concerned with my safety at any one time.

If I become a victim of a crime its more than likely not based on my skin color but more with the fact that I was at the time an available target. I tend not to be alone, this rarely happens. I'm more likely to get ripped off by people I just met. I was confronted in Stockholm by a Polish Guy that had spent time with me and this other Black Frenchmen about some money or something. After allow him and his somewhat larger Polish friend to search my bag which had nothing of value in it, they went on their merry way and it was 4am in a mostly empty main train station in Stockholm. I wasn't concerned one bit, I didn't know either of them and no money was talked about or exchanged, I think he just ASSUMED I was guilty by association; Both of Us Being Black...

I would call that a Racially Motivated Incident.

A guy called me a "Sex Tourist" in Kyiv, he didn't say "Dirty Nigga Fucking White Women, go home...". Then again the girls were part-timers and known to this guy so I guess he felt calling me a Sex Tourist was enough...

DJ FourMoney

11-03-09, 11:05

DO NOT apologize, and there's no need to PERISH any thoughts.

Just remember, political correctness has decades to go before it encompasses race relations in EE. In russian, the chornomazzi 'n' word will still be their reference to Chechens, for years to come.

Surely being american and black, you have a significantly different perspective from African guys, which outnumber you in Russia by 100 to 1?

Don't even take the low road, that "attractive" women have some different perspective from any others, the bottom line remains that russian racism is still 50 years behind the USA, and will be much slower to change. It has nothing to do with whether some female is attractive, its simply that the white russian trash majority remains closed minded due to ignorance and racism they learn from families and friends, and the more intelligent minority is more accepting and tolerant of people that are different.

As the KKK in the USA is really now only a super tiny group here with practically zero support, and always faces stiff and instant opposition from the majority, the skinheads in EE include significant memberships and semi-apathy from the average ruski. If 8 drunk skins are stomping some Kenyan who walked down the wrong street, you really think the average citizen is gonna try to stop them? Or protest against them? You got a long wait for that to happen.

But there's still and always will be a place for you, and naturally it helps that your being a player increases girl's curiosity. But its simply still too soon to expect that girls who care more what her family and friends will say, will be ready for the big step. There's no history of tolerance there, so it will take time.

Just don't ever again ask A-Colon-Lizard for his insights about ANYTHING except esophogeal sperm transfers.

I've never apologized for being who I am, there's nothing I can do about it and frankly I rather be Black. Lower expectations for one thing... :)

Jojosun

11-03-09, 12:30

I've never apologized for being who I am, there's nothing I can do about it and frankly I rather be Black. Lower expectations for one thing.DJ FOURMoney

I concur, with what the top guns on EE and ukraine, have advised you.

LET us not forget, that the persecution and pogroms against the Jews, started in EE countries in the late nineteenth century, a long time before Hitler came to power in germany.

This hidden racisem and resentment against the jews is still there below the surface. After all these years. Poland, and Russia are a few examples.

I witnessd an incident in a club in kiev, a group of israelis of varying colour shades, were refused entry, because in their party were some black and dark skinned members., and when I asked the English speaking waitress for the reasons, she replied (Oh my God Jews and Black.).

I have travelled and travel for mongering in EE countries, for a long time, and I can tell you, this was not an isolated incident, but a reflection of the sentiment of the wider population.

In poland one girl in a sex club told me outright, that no Blacks are allowed in. In 7 years of sex clubbing in poland, I have never seen a single Black or dark skinned monger there.

DJ, just head to LONDON, where you will be at your elements here, just head to the upper drinking bars and clubs of chelsea, where you will be the envy of a lot of the white guys, and might land yourself a lovely English rose, as a potential one to tie the knot with.

Tremayne

11-04-09, 01:11

Fijiman

11-04-09, 15:34

I came across the following website. Thought it might be useful for some.

http://www.kievstag.com/

Kurenda

11-04-09, 18:00

I like this:
http://www.kievstag.com/mafia-style-kidnapping.php
But what if the real thing happen like to that english bloke in Odessa?

DJ FourMoney

11-04-09, 18:56

DJ

Forget all the stereotypes and focus on the reality of which I am sure you are aware. If a guy is presentable looking and has good game he's going to score regardless of his skin colour or nationality. If there are any women in Ukraine who are put off by a guys colour they are more than cancelled out by the ones who actively seek someone of colour.

The truth is the most successful guys with women are the ones who take a little time to understand their target audience. Once they've gained that knowledge and coupled it with a little charm and presentable appearance they are home and dry.

Actually I don't even think about them (stereotypes). I just find some of the post around here terribly interesting.

Maninthestan

11-04-09, 19:27

Gents, I have RTFF but I have a couple of questions.

As you read through the forums you see that things sometimes seem to ebb and flow, things that were gospel a couple years ago may have changed so I am looking for some up to date info. Everyone has their own opinions and when you are looking to travel to a country for the first time it can get a bit confusing with non current information from past posts.

I know there are a couple mongers that live in the area and I would appreciate your knowledge as well as the advice of recent travelers to Kiev in general. I might travel into other areas but will be mainly in Kiev in mid December for a little over a week.

I am more of a Dubai guy so things there are pretty straightforward. I was wondering if RP was like some of the clubs in Dubai (aka The York) or if there is more effort involved. I am pretty good at meeting people but sometimes I like a little straight forward p4p, less drama, you get what you want and move on...I assume that RP is pretty straightforward place? It seems to be the place to go from what I read...I know the prices are higher but I have the cash and can start there and maybe to get a feel for the game in the Ukraine.

I am not a Russian speaker so I understand I am at a disadvantage for freebies but I have overcome that in many countries throughout the world so I will get by. I make friends pretty easily and am good at finding my element in various countries and cultures.

I hear alot on the apartments...it is that much of an issue with hotels? If so I guess I will look for one but I like to live it up a bit and a hotel is just more convenient in most places for me. I have read on the areas that are best to stay but is there a specific hotel that is best or a couple that are in that category. I usually stay at higher end places but I will be happy with clean, private and with wifi. If you have a suggestion for a nice apartment I would be willing to look into it.

No flames please, just looking for some current info.

Is the H1N1 nonsense still causing waves in the Ukraine...?

The last question is how is the scene in mid December in Kiev, I know the Russian Orthodox Christmas is not till early January so I assume the University is still going strong and the kids are in the clubs.

Thanks in advance gents, if anyone is going to be in the area and needs a good wingman, shoot me a note.

-Maninthestan

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Ash1001

11-05-09, 14:10

.. and might land yourself a lovely English rose ..

Err.. don't count on it. The "English roses" in London are the main reason I go to Ukraine all the time ;)

Doctor_Skank

11-05-09, 20:21

Gents, I have RTFF but I have a couple of questions.

I am more of a Dubai guy so things there are pretty straightforward. I was wondering if RP was like some of the clubs in Dubai (aka The York) or if there is more effort involved. I am pretty good at meeting people but sometimes I like a little straight forward p4p, less drama, you get what you want and move on...I assume that RP is pretty straightforward place? It seems to be the place to go from what I read...I know the prices are higher but I have the cash and can start there and maybe to get a feel for the game in the Ukraine.You RTFF and haven't figured out that in RP EVERY girl there is a prostitute? Doesn't get more straightforward than that.

Maninthestan

11-06-09, 07:40

Cruiser D

11-07-09, 14:59

Come on Dr S, not every girl in RP is a pro, only 99.99%

It's been amateur hour on the board for a couple of months now.

Doctor_Skank

11-07-09, 20:30

DS, I understand your point of view it was just that I have been to alot of countries where you are in a place and there are like 50 girls (all pro/semi pro) and like two guys but they have some weird procedures on making contact and settling terms.

In Baku you had to ninja stealth out of the place and the girl would follow you and asked if you needed a ride or something, you talked business in the car and usually had to leave a little tip for the local police stalking the place. This might of been a one time situation as I was only there for a short time. I just like to know if things are straightforward as I hate playing the spy games.

You cleared it up pretty well, I get the point. Thanks. Just nit picking some of the details so my trip goes smooth and I know what to expect.Really RP has been covered to death here and it is as straightforward as it comes, but just to summarize a couple of things that you should be aware of:

1) Negotiate price. Their initial offer will be anywhere from 30-70% higher than what you actually have to pay them to go home with you.

2) If you are into any extras like anal etc., this is up to the girl and up to negotiation. Many guys insist you should discuss this up front with the girl. I personally have better luck discussing these things with them back in the relaxed atmosphere of the apartment or hotel when they have figured out that I am not some sort of "maniak"... just a "sex maniak". :)

3) "all night" doesn't mean all night unless you clear this up. Many girls will try to "escape" after the first session. Make sure before taking them what time frame you expect from them.

4) And finally, many RP pros are seasoned veterans and will try to get away with servicing newbies as little as possible before leaving your apartment or hotel and heading home... or back to RP for the next guy. If you are a veteran, make sure they recognize this. Getting top performance really is about charisma, personal chemistry and respect. Even the most seasoned pro can turn into a purring love slave if she respects you and enjoys your company.

Doctor_Skank

11-07-09, 20:31

Come on Dr S, not every girl in RP is a pro, only 99.99%

It's been amateur hour on the board for a couple of months now.Oh yeah, I forgot the waitresses and the cleaning ladies... :)

BTW: Super Bowl is January 31 at 7.30 PM Eastern... so I guess that'll be 2.30 AM local... )

Bez Bezarra

11-08-09, 14:53

in a lot of countries they have weird procedures on making contact and settling terms.

i just like to know if things are straightforward.

making contact and terms?

by the time you walk from the door to the bar, at least 50 prostitutes have already sized you up to determine what's in your wallet, and by the time you take the first sip on your beer, at least 10 tramps have already approached you to give you the official rp welcome;

"come on, let's go! davai!!!
what you wait for? we must go now, you take me. yes?
you are here ookra-ina, and you are the pennis for seks.
no? thees ees boat, seks boat!
i am ho, you are koostomer, now geeve me munny!!
hurry up you stoopeed leetle man, geeve me munny now!
why you don't wont me, you are gay boy or someting??
fock you, you are loser!
my name??
who cares my name!
my name is, geeve me munny!!"

is that smooth enough for you?

you want more?
sure.

"how much?
sure, i am most beautiful girls in ukraine, but i give you best price because you are such handsome man!
only 500 euro for 1 hour.
what for 1 hour?
i go to shower alone for 30 minute.
then i smoke for 15 minute.
then i give fantastic blow jobs with gondon for 20 seconds.
then great sex for 2 minutes, its enough!
i am too busy, but its the best 2 minutes of your life!
then my husband calls me to say, get the fuck out of there immediately.
then i go, back to river place, to rob, i mean service, next idiot.
ok, you understand, let's go."

so make sure you go there every night, and have a great trip in ukraine.

Maninthestan

11-08-09, 21:09

Really RP has been covered to death here and it is as straightforward as it comes, but just to summarize a couple of things that you should be aware of:

1) Negotiate price. Their initial offer will be anywhere from 30-70% higher than what you actually have to pay them to go home with you.

2) If you are into any extras like anal etc., this is up to the girl and up to negotiation. Many guys insist you should discuss this up front with the girl. I personally have better luck discussing these things with them back in the relaxed atmosphere of the apartment or hotel when they have figured out that I am not some sort of "maniak". Just a "sex maniak".

3) "all night" doesn't mean all night unless you clear this up. Many girls will try to "escape" after the first session. Make sure before taking them what time frame you expect from them.

4) And finally, many RP pros are seasoned veterans and will try to get away with servicing newbies as little as possible before leaving your apartment or hotel and heading home. Or back to RP for the next guy. If you are a veteran, make sure they recognize this. Getting top performance really is about charisma, personal chemistry and respect. Even the most seasoned pro can turn into a purring love slave if she respects you and enjoys your company.Doc Skank,

First of all, thank you for your reply and patience. I do appreciate you taking the time to write it.

I see RP as the "York" of Kiev for those of you who have traveled through Dubai. Very similar to the situation described by Bez (always candid, Bez I love your dedication to the forum, your great posts and all the great pictures that you have added. Sorry to have raised you ire. I did deserve it. Most of the knowledge was there, I should of posed my questions more directly for the details that I was looking for. Same apology/accolades to Cruiser d and Doc S).

In my experience if you can fight pass the hardened pros at the door (always the ones that approach and sometimes try to goad you into picking them as Bez mentioned in such great detail) and settle in a bit you can usually find that nice shy girl hidden in the corner, maybe a little new to the game and a nice GFE for your efforts. I hope to find this at RP and am sure with a little patience, firmness and the right kind of charm I can find the girl that is right for me. But we will see soon.

I am with you Doc S, I am not a maniac just a laid back guy, easy to get along with, I work hard and like to blow off steam when I travel, which is predominately for leisure. I am looking for a little companionship and a person to party with a bit, maybe a couple rockstar moments from time to time and whether is it pro, semi pro or freebie off the street it is all for fun. I have been lucky to have seen many of the highlights of our (ever smaller) world in my time. I usually find a nice semi pro that is fun to hang out with, someone to see the sights with and though I don't kid myself into believing it is something to last, in the end it is always something fun to remember and I like to think that it is the same experience for them. That is more of what I look for in my travels, something " (epic) story worthy" for later on in the dull drums of real life.

I am a noob to Kiev (thanks Cruiser D) but we all are noobs at some point in our mongering lives to different areas. Cruiser d you are another great stalwart on this site, thank you for your informative posts as well.

So, what I have gathered from the experienced ones here, be advised I have not traveled yet. So this is a tentative guide for me as well:

1. Accommodation: Think apartments, thanks to Hunter Dave for the recommendation of www.Kievapts. Com. I had rented vacation homes before versus hotels but more when traveling with groups. A little more research and it did become apparent the void these establishments fill between the luxury hotels (The Premier Palace, the Hyatt Regency Kiev, The Opera Hotel, Intercontinental, etc) and more affordable places that seem to be more popular with the mongers here such as the Hotel Rus, President Hotel and maybe the Kreschatik Hotel though they are not recommended very high on trip advisor. Haha. I have found a couple of nice apartments right off Kreshchatik Street that have everything that I was looking for. Most come with wifi, clean, great locations, door code entry or 24 hour doorman. Jacuzzi, washing machine, cable TV, kitchen, AC, etc.

Some hotels seem to be more GF than others but best case seems to be maybe to no. The theme from reports seem most involve a bribe to security to bring the girls up. The old schoolers can clarify but everyone seems to sway towards the apartments. You will see most are listed by their distance from Khreshchatyk street. Resturants, bars, shopping, etc in the area. The guidance I received is if you are there it is there. Doesn't seem to be much around RP in genera, cab fares from Khreshchatyk street to RP around $4-5 dollars and closer to $10-15 back for the cabs waiting outside RP.

2. River Palace aka RP, formerly River Palace Casino before gambling was outlawed in Ukraine. Address is listed as "Road Along Dnepro, Metro Dnepr" is located on a non functional floating boat. Tel 490-6695 Hours 9pm – 6am www.Riverpalace. Kiev. Ua.

Initial asking range for RP is in the $300+ range but a more realistic figure with negotiation is around the $200 mark but not always, some girls will not budge. And the cue to move on should come into your mind unless this is your absolute "model de jour" for the evening. Possible lower prices to be had. This likely depends on you, your experience, the situation or for lower tier ladies.

Virtual meat market (in a good way of course), pros are/can be aggressive (still I imagine quite amusing for the uninitiated) and the go to place for p4p in Kiev. Higher cost almost certain, selection of girls vary but it seems that from all the opinions listed here it always has a couple stunners that might be worth what you want/will pay.

Pro mongers with more time in Kiev will likely stray from this place as with language skills, effort and time there is a better/less expensive scene possible through sites such as mamba or in other clubs.

For those of us on a short time line with some money to spare the place to go. Perhaps as well for the lazy mongerer, newer to the game or uninitiated.

As Bez and Doc S were so kind to clarify, each in their own way. It is all out in the open and in your face. It sounds like even the old school still drop by from time to time to check out the scene/ the newer girls.

3. Outside RP there are amongst others:

The Arena Club (disco upstairs versus the bar downstairs) 2A Basseinaya Street Tel 492-00-00 Hours: Disco 9pm. Last customer, www.Arena-kiev. Com

Sounds like similar ranges 200-300+ to maybe around $150 or less. Possibly some RP girls in this club if it is a slow night at RP or earlier/later in the morning/evening. The experienced monger will likely be able to pick out the girls that are working versus the girls who are just there for a night out. Face control at the door, seating at a surcharge, somewhere in the $20 dollar range cover charge at the door prior to entry, less for the ladies. If you are looking for p4p the advice is to look around the bar or of course just to make eye contact and go from there. Arena may not be the club it once was, sounds like it is moving out of favor with some. Not another RP but a possible. Another place likely to be filled with tourists and a couple of mongerers. Spark 88 reported girls coming in after 11pm. Only in the +/- 5 range when he was there. Pricey. This seems to be another place to see for the tourist sticking to the main places filled with other tourists and local eye candy. But at the same time on most's list. Not alot of follow on reports so it feels like it might be a little bit of a let down.

Decadence House- 16 Shota Rustaveli street, ? , 01023, Ukraine +380 44 206 49 20 http://www.Carteblanche. Com. Ua/en/rest/decadence/

In reviews, listed as the place to be seen if you are into sleezey (not pro sleezy, sleezy in general), over the top opulence perhaps, place to flash your cash. Poser and real (trust fund) money. May be being replaced by the Buddha Bar for the it place in Kiev for the higher end club scene. Perhaps some p4p but from what I have read it is actively discouraged or atleast maybe was in the past. Sounds a little amusing.

Buddha Bar- 14 Khreshchatyk, 270-7676. Open Sun-Thur 7 pm till 2 am, Fri-Sat 7 pm till 4 a. M, located in the Kreshchatyk Hotel

Restaurant Chain, likely similar to others, I have never been to a Buddha Bar so I cannot comment. May be the newer it place in Kiev for the club scene. Asian temple themed (no asian p4p though hehe), food way overpriced and only limited reporting of p4p but ash1001 mentioned some RP girls starting to work in this place back instead of RP in late May 2009. More current reports say the girls may be a bit more stand offish but lookers are in the bar earlier per The Shadow. 10 dollar drinks. Shooters- 22 Moskovskaya St Tel 254-2024 Hours 9pm – Last www.Shooters. Kiev. Ua/eng/index.php

Seems to be a great place for a laid back atmosphere. Good local scene, good DJ. More long term expats per Cruiser D. (Ash1001) mentioned it is good on Sundays. No Turks allowed in the past?

Papita- 10 Muzeini Prospect Tel 253-0150 8pm – last customer www.Patipa. Com

Seems to be the disco to go to if you want a dark and load house scene. Shadow mentioned it was better to go with girls in tow but maybe was too dark and too loud for him. I like this scene so I will likely check it out. Seems to review really well for the non p4p traveler looking for a great dance club.

Azhure/ Avalon: is a just a typical club. A smattering of pro's/semi pro's. (Cruiser D) Thursday's are ladies night. (ash1001)

Barsky- 4 Basseyna? : ? , ? , ? : ? .? , 4, ? : 8 (067) 505-47-60, 8 (093) 652-16-89? : ? www.Barsky-club. Com

Seems to be a promising location. Was closed, now renovated and back open. Qjump reported there was good talent. This is really one of the few places that seems to be liked by everyone. Haha. I'll have to check it out but not alot of info since April 09.

Antresol usually draws a student crowd (per Cruiser D)

O'Briens Irish Pub- 2 minutes walk from Independence Square (8044)279-02-14; (8044)279-15-84 For the time when you just need a Guinness.

Escort sites are covered very well here in the Kiev forum and are easy to find online, examples being GIA and Top Models amongst others. Not really my cup of tea but rates, reliability of service, reviews/recommendations of the ladies can be found through the search function on this forum.

Massage/Saunas, etc seem to be in debate. I know some of our member have put alot of work into tracking down number and location to vary degrees of success.

I don't have the luxury of some here to spend long periods of time in Ukraine. I hope this list helps some other noobs, lots of info here on the sight that I am sure I have missed. I tried to keep this information from posts from April to current. As to keep it more up to date. Some club info was pulled from other sites. Kiev xpats, please feel to throw in your two cents. This was written from the perspective of a noob for a noob. Or someone looking to see what is out there in Kiev. The feeling I get is that most places have a p4p scene at different levels, with RP of course the most active. I will revise this once I return from my trip and give my first hand experience to help others that find themselves in the same boat as myself.

There is alot of discussion or racism in Ukraine. I am a blond haired, blue eyed guy. So it is not so much of an issue for me. I imagine some are more sensitive than others to "stares" or perceived dangers. But it sounds like it is common to what you would find in a normal larger city. Unfortunately no place is perfect. I have always found that being different can be a draw. But I will leave that to those in the know. Not trying to short change anyone'e experiences.

I wish everyone a great trip to Kiev. Happy hunting gents, watch yourself as you would when traveling to any country. Thanks to the long term (and short term) contributors.

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Bez Bezarra

11-09-09, 09:06

bez, i'm sorry to have raised your ire.

i did deserve it.

congratualtions manstains!!

the only thing you deserved, is the realization that you've been grotesquely punk'd.

you raised no ire in me son, i've been ire-free since age 8 when i had an emergency ire-ectomy.

god help y'all, will anybody here ever stop over-reacting/taking me serious? its all just breakin' balls!

surprise!! i have never meant anything i wrote, every last word all 100% pure soft warm dog [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113).

yeesh, don't you even know the translation of bez bezarra, is russian for, "eh......, fuggeda-bowdit!"

AColonizer

11-09-09, 19:24

I read something wrong here.

Swallow blowjobs and anal sex are not extras, but they are standard service: all our young girlfriends usually do those, why can't prostitutes do those?

They are not extras but that is just a way to increase prices.

Moreover "economic crisis" divides dealers (and sex providers too) in two categories:

- the first one, dealers decrease prices to get customers as many as possible;

- the second one, dealers increase prices to get few customers but very very very well paying.

Different prices don't mean different services, and in sex market too.

It needs always to prefer the first category (300$/night ten hours at maximum) and never to go with the second category (more than 400$/night ten hours), even if that is a top-model body.

Hype912

11-09-09, 19:48

Doc Skank,

First of all, thank you for your reply and patience. I do appreciate you taking the time to write it.

I see RP as the "York" of Kiev for those of you who have traveled through Dubai.Not sure of Cyclone is still open in Dubai, but after RTFF - RP sounds very much like it.

Oilman

11-10-09, 11:54

Not sure of Cyclone is still open in Dubai, but after RTFF - RP sounds very much like it.Cyclone in Dubai has, sadly, been closed for about 2 years or so. But I went there quite a lot and have been many times in River Palace. They have quite a lot in common and far more in common than the "York " in Dubai which is a real meat market with hordes of very aggressive (mainly Chinese and African) women.

Was in there the other night to see if it had changed for the better and left after the first beer.

Uke Boy

11-10-09, 14:43

The FEMEN girls are turning new tricks and this so far is the best of their latest antics. You just have got to love being in Ukraine! Here is a link to the photos of their latest "protest." You will enjoy it.

http://acidcow.com/girls/5363-ukrainian-girls-protest-against-swine-flu.html

Maninthestan

11-10-09, 16:04

Not sure of Cyclone is still open in Dubai, but after RTFF - RP sounds very much like it.Hype, they had closed Cyclone down a couple years ago to remodel it but I think it just stayed closed...the York is the same gig, probably a bit better as it is a little larger and a bit newer (In the York Hotel, but the York Hotel is not GF...go figure). The girls there have gotten really aggressive the last year though (especially the Africans)...really grabby and it is hard to get enough space to just sit, grab a drink and scope the scene out. Of course, it is still a fun place...all flavors all in one place.

Bez, look forward to seeing the scene there in Kiev for myself and seeing how it compares to other locales in the world I have been.

Thanks again guys and happy hunting!!

Maninthestan

11-10-09, 20:26

Hi!

Been lurking for a long time trying to prep for my trip ti Kiev.

Any advice for me on Hotel Rus? I've can't ever remember feeling unsure about out-call to a hotel. Hotel seems strange, thug-ish guys plus security guards at entrance, and guy in a room with an open door at the end of the hall.

I may just have to go for an incall tonight.

Any words of advice on Hotel Rus are greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

MVAgustaMvagusta,

If you scroll to post #5629 (on page 8 right now) Schluckerl mentions that the security at the Rus is charging $20 to take a girl up to the room. You may want to PM him for a good idea on the current game at the Hotel Rus as he just was just reporting a couple weeks ago on it or if he is still tracking this forum he could update the rest of us as well.

He mentions as well that if you "upgrade your room" there is no issue. Some hotels charge more for 2 than for one. This may be what he is talking about.

Hope this helps you.

HunterDave

11-10-09, 21:51

This was a short notice trip for 3 days. The apartments I normally use on Khreshatik were already booked, but kievrentals. Comfound a nice apartment on Baseina St. For me. It was nice with wifi and a 50" LCD on the wall. Cost me a little more per night, but on short notice worth it and it was again in the city center near Khreshatik and Arena City. Landed and was picked up by my driver and dropped off at the apartment. I immediately went and bought a mobile phone and put some minutes on it. This was better than using the rental cell so that I would have a number for putting phone numbers of women I wanted to keep for storage for future trips.

Made initial contact with numerous women from mamba chats to line up for the 3 day visit. I had wanted to meet this brunette that had a great rack from the pics so I called her to have her come over. Turns out her English was poor but she had a friend, a blonde also available. Turns out the brunette price was 500 grivna, and the blonde then offered a threesome for another 500 grivna. So for 1000 grivna ($120) I had the chance at a threesome. They did want taxi fare (50 grivna) but what the hell so I had them come to the apartment. They were dressed to party, both had nice racks. Especially the brunette. They were on time and to set the mood I gave them a little red wine and we talked then off to the showers and to the bedroom. Both looked great wrapped in towels and each took turns sucking, nice BBBJ and then both enjoyed licking my dick together. While one gave me a BBBJ the other let me suck her tits and play with her pussy. They did this for awhile, then the blonde wanted to ride cowgirl. She was a wild one. The brunette let me play with her clit and tits while she waited her turn for her ride. It was interesting each kept wanting to get back on and were a bit impatient. The brunette would not share so we rolled from doggie to modified doggie to missionary and she went from moaning to some nice moaning. She really got worked up and her body was starting to heat up while I was riding her. The blonde started to get pretty pissed, guess she thought I was going to come and she definitely wanted her second turn with me. While I had the brunette with her legs up around my ears and going deep, the blonde finally grabbed my arm and said her friend had had her orgasm and that it was enough and that she wanted her turn. So the brunette finally acquiesced and I proceeded to ride the blonde doggie for quite a while. This one was very open about her pleasure and voiced it throughout the fucking. She loved it when I did modified doggie and pinned her hard to the mattress getting very deep inside her. This had her giving me the "Da Da" over and over. When I turned her over and went missionary, she was very excited and went nuts when I raised her legs up around my ears. This one loved deep penetration. She was enjoying the ride and when I finally reached orgasm she was pretty spent and happy I had finished in her. Not bad, in Kiev less than 4 hours and had had 2 nice girls for a great price. These two were dressed to party, very hot. They were happy when I handed each $60 and both wanted to meet again on this trip, but heck, there were many more waiting and I wanted to see what else I could pull. I made sure I had both of their phone numbers. Hope to try them again in the future, but I did ask if they would not mind meeting some of my "business associates" who also come to Kiev occasionally. They said yes. Great lays, nice twin killing and a great price $60 each. A threesome for $120 probably spoiled me for later in this trip (maybe forever). I would rate these 2 easily as 8-8+ but the sex was very good so maybe 8+-9.

After they left I showered and then set 0ut to find more strange. I had communicated with this cute little 22 year old on mamba and we had negotiated $90 for a meeting. She had a cute pic and a nice set of legs so I called her and she agreed to be at my place in 45 minutes. She called when she was out front and for me to bring the money down. So then I knew she worked for an agency. I have not had any problems with these type of agencies but am always a bit weary that after I give her the money she will jump in the car and leave. She was the girl in the pics and looked super hot so I said ok. I did have her stay outside the car as she handed the money to the driver and then we went upstairs to my place. Her English was weak but what the hell, I was not there to have a conversation with her. We had the Ukraine version of MTV on the tube and she had a little bit of wine with me to set the mood. She then went and showered and looked great in that wrapped towel. She immediately spotted the camera and wanted to make sure to shut it down and cover it up. Too bad because this one was a very good lay, nice perky be cups and she loved me sucking on them. She gave a very nice BBJ and CBJ. This one really got into the fucking, she would moan very nicely but she was one of those that when she showed her pleasure along with the moaning, her body would quiver and she had all these goose bumps all over her body. All along her legs, down her back, and on her side. Knowing she was really enjoying the session kept me working this girl for quite awhile. When I finally moved on top and went deep with her legs in the air, the goose bumps were all over. This one really knew how to show how much she was into the fucking. As I ran my hands down her side and on her legs, nothing but goose bumps. This one was a joy to reach orgasm with. After a nice long session we just lay there next to each other and tried to talk. We rested and I continued to run my hands down her back which I could tell pleased her since the goose bumps were all down her back and when I just lightly ran my hand down her cute little ass and thighs, she just loved it. We just lay there in bed touching and feeling each other. She was not a time watcher that's for sure. She received several calls after about an hour with me, and she kept blowing them off. So I had been in Kiev for 7 hours and 3 good lays. I was on a roll so since it was Saturday night I cleaned up again and decide to head to RP at midnight.

RP was packed as usual. I got my usual Ukrainian beer for 23 grivna and hung back at the bar. Nice to just sit back and admire the scenery. Plus after 3 good lays it was easy to act mellow and just wait for the women to approach me. I played the usual eye contact and smile to lure them over if I thought I was interested. Again the standard $300 blah, blah, blah, blah. I told them maybe later but not for that price. Most all quickly come down to $200. The art of the deal is to get them lower. And lower. Most I have paid at RP has been $! 50 and always for at least 4 hours or more. So I kept to this ceiling. Again much easier since I had had several other scores and was not as anxious to walk out at any price. We all need to keep bartering and do not succumb to any more or it will hurt us all. We need to stick together on costing. Tell them you have already turned down several at the $! 50 price so why should you pay more? The selection that night had some of the RP usuals, some of the real pros and several I had had in previous trips to RP. Met a Finnish business man who was goo goo and gaga over all the hot women, I tried to calm him and to let him know that he needed to barter for whatever he decided he wanted to taste that night. I also told him to join ISG to get the best info on how to find and get all these women. I turned down 3 very nice sets of women for threesomes, (having had my first threesome a few hours earlier), I passed. I was quite tempted by these 2 very nice blondes who started at $500, then $400, then $300, and finally wait, $200. On any other night I probably would have taken that offer because they agreed to stay till 6 AM, but having had a pair for $120, I was spoiled. I may try them out on a later trip. Plus I kind of felt that I only wanted to ravage one girl to end the night, wasn't sure if my dick could meet these 2's expectation for several hours of fucking. But on reflection maybe I should have seen what was left in the tank.

When I got to RP, there was another special thing, when was paying the entry fee I was following these 2 petite bleach blondes. One was wearing a white skimpy form fitting dress that barely covered her breasts and just over her cute little ass. And the other one was in a black dress that fit like the other one, when they turned around they were identical twins, very nice and definitely made one think, hum. Never had had identical twins, maybe the holy grail of mongering. What are the odds. They hung around at the bar near me and I just smiled and had some light talk with them. I did not act too interested because I heard them shoot down numerous guys who wanted them both. I played it coy. Kept asking myself if it was worth it. I did hear one tell several that the going price was $500 for the pair and I knew I was not going to pay that much so all I did was use some light banter and light their cigarettes for them (I do not smoke, but to carry a lighter to open up conversation). These 2 were a joy to watch on the dance floor, they loved to gyrate and grind on the stage. Knowing that many horny guys were watching. A black and white mirrored set of pussy. Well worth the price of admission! About 2:30 AM one of the twins finally decided to cut the umbilical from the other and left with a guy. In hindsight I should have at least tried. Maybe next time. I f ever given the chance again.

I finally decide to choose a very attractive 20 year old blonde with one of those cute little white pleated skirts that nicely bounces when she would walk, that caught my attention. She stayed at $200 and I kept telling her no. I told her I normally only pay $100, but this was university girl and she clearly did not want to leave alone so she then moved to $150. Now I had her where I wanted her, I said why not $100, and she started go over how she had come down so much, so then I said ok because she was so nice and hot that I would meet her halfway, $125, but that I wanted BBBJ, a long hard massage, and that she had to stay till 8 AM, she countered ok to all but that she needed to leave at 7 AM to go home and get ready for work. So I said ok. When I was leaving, the Finn was still talking it up with the women and not ready to leave or choose his night's treat. This one was a real firecracker in bed, full of life and loved to suck dick. Very nice BBBJ. Again why can't American women learn to love this? This one was a screamer and loved cowgirl and reverse cowgirl. Since she enjoyed being on top I let her stay as long as she wanted plus I could conserve my energy. When I pinned her to the mattress in doggie she loved the deep penetration. True to her word, she gave me a great long massage. She spoke very good English and was very interesting to talk with. She wants to be a business manager and knew what she needed to do to get there. We lay around and talked quite a bit to give my body a chance to recover before we had another round. This round was long because while she was able to get me to come in the first round, she could not get me to come in round 2. But she sure tried hard and I let her keep trying, with her on top and really working up a sweat. I just sat back and enjoyed the ride only assisting every once in awhile by helping to rock her hips letting her think I was getting close. She left at 7 AM, gave me her number, actually put it in the rental cell, so I did not capture it, but will look for that one at RP again. Her name was Ida I think.

After she left I crashed for the morning. A great first 16 hours and 4 great lays.

Hunter

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HunterDave

11-11-09, 00:09

Day 2

Finally got up and showered. Pulled out the number for a 19 year old named Inna, her pics were hot, but half of them were of a Victoria Secret model, but the other half looked about as good of a hot brunette that looked great in a bikini, so I said what the hell. This one was also a university student looking for some extra cash. She had an excellent body, wore blue contacts, a bit to blue for her hair and clearly overdone. But a very hot 19 year old that was not a clock watcher and loved to suck dick. She had a great set of breasts (B+-C) for a 19 year old. Some humor, now I have a lot of grey hair on my head, but my pubic hair only a little grey hair, and she sat there playing with and sucking my dick and touching my pubic hair and literally stopped sucking to want to talk about it. I laughed and told her that while my head hair had gone grey, that my dick and its surroundings were very young and ready for her young hot body, she laughed, but still stared at my pubs while she gave me a great BBBJ. I just loved the rack on this one, just perfect and great to suck on. The day video on this one is excellent ([pics to follow). She stayed a few hours and was in no rush to leave. So either it was the conversation, my dark pubic hair or the excellent thrashing she received that kept her there. Probably all of the above, but she did get off several times when I was trying to ring her bell. This trip turned out to be a pretty good youth movement trip effort since I did find a lot of young interested girls wanting to find some extra money and a romp in sack with a foreigner. Have to love that Ukrainian youth..

After Inna, I decided to call Jana (Trip #2) now Dasha (she had written this name in my notebook so I called her and she said oh yes, she could be at my place in 1 hour. She was on time, we had a little wine and talked about what she was doing lately, where she told me she had wrecked her car and needed to work a lot more to help raise cash for the repair. This one is a great lay, and really gets into it. She has a killer body and was quite frisky and posed in her clothes and in her towel before we headed to the bedroom. I like her because she loves to moan when you push the right buttons and keep her writhing in the sack. She loves to suck and will go to town BBBJ and CBJ. A good 1.5+ hour session, paid her 700 grivna, + 50 grivna for taxi fare. Because of her financial situation she has agreed to meet with others provided you are nice to her, and agree to her price. PM me for details. All you need to do is tell her that "Dave" referred you. Treat this one nice because I plan to go this well many more times in the future.

After Dasha left, I showered and went out. I had to get out and buy some supplies for the kitchen and I had been paying all the women in $$$ so I needed to get some grivna (I had been making it by on 500 grivna I had from my last trip).

It was early evening and I decided to go back to my mamba notes and I had been communicating with a 19 year old red head so I decided to call her and see if she wanted to come by my place. She said yes and could be by within the hour. Gave her my address on Baseina and waited, received a call that she was out front. Turned out the driver took her to the wrong address. How the hell can a driver not find Baseina St. Must have been a moron.. It turns out my redhead worked for an agency, the car finally showed while I was waiting out front. Out pops this cute redhead, asks for her 800 grivna, and we proceeded upstairs to my place. She was wearing one of those cute little white pleaded skirts just barely covering her cute little ass. Following her up the stairs all I wanted to do was pull those flaps up from behind and ream her. She had on those nice high heel boots to further accentuate her tush. Very hot. We had a little wine and moved to the bed. She had some nice cute be cups, the kind of breasts that were light skinned and very nice and smooth, nice and perky. She enjoyed my time playing with her breasts. She did not speak much English but enough to get by. No rush in the sack.. She was a nice moaner truly loved all positions, but was most excited in doggie and loved the modified doggie being pressed to the mattress. I know I have said this alot, but this one deserves a repeat fuck in the future, but there is so much more strange to be had. I continue to improve my tactics and schtick to bring these women to my place and to my bed. Mamba and RP have been very good for me, but to each his own.. I still want to try top-models. Com. Ua again, but have not missed with mamba and the pics have been the girl that shows up at my place. So I do not plan to change my tactics to drastically.

While I was waiting for my redhead I reached out and called Irina (from trip #2). This was that tall Amazon, who looked like a model off a cover magazine and has been easily the best lay I have had in Kiev, and believe me I have had many great fucks. This one stayed with me something like 10 hours and loves to fuck and suck. She showed up just after midnight. We polished off all of my wine and this one is truly wild in bed. I guess I would call her a semi-pro at best since she does not go to RP (according to her) but once or twice a month. I have only seen her there the one Friday night when I first met her on Trip #2. So I knew I needed a repeat performance to see if the first time was as great as I remembered it.

She said would be out with friends early, but would be over at midnight, She called me at midnight and this time she was dressed to kill. I have pics and I will upload of her dressed and all can say is.. Very nice. Very hot! I have some video in the bedroom, but again the lighting needs to be improved in future mongering trips. We started knocking off all of my wine, this one wanted to drink. We ordered a late night pizza and 30 minutes later chowed down on some pizza. This girl is great to talk with. Easily the best girl friend experience we all look for. She did tell me she needed to leave at 8 AM to see a friend off who was flying out that day. I said that was fine. She went and showered and I got to unwrap this gorgeous blonde package wrapped in a small white towel. This is a wild one, even better than our first time. She gives one of the best BBBJ's I've ever had. And when she rides me cowgirl she just goes nuts.. I go real slowly when I start to fuck her and pick up the pace nice and slow then back to slow which drives this one crazy. I just love it when she goes from "Da, Da" to "fuck me, fuck me hard". I just love it. She was really pissed I would not finish in her so I really made her work. We then dozed off some but this one was not to be denied, she set her alarm for 7 AM and after jumping into the shower to clean herself and brush her teeth, came back for a final round to go nuts one l more time and to finally get me off. This one I will see again and again. Great company and the best Kiev fuck I have had to date.. But I am still hunting strange to match or beat this one. She is 178 CM and in those boots reaches me at my eye level (I am 1888 cm) and she likes that. She cleaned up again and left at 8 AM. I crashed for the morning.

Not bad, less than 2 days in Kiev and 8 women.

Hunter

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Cruiser D

11-11-09, 01:57

Leave it to a Ukrainian feminist to dress like a s lhut in order to 'protest' something. Anything for a photo op.

Member #4491

11-11-09, 03:32

HunterDave, you are enormous.

Your height matches your skills with women.

B

Boofer

11-11-09, 12:36

Hunter Dave,

exciting reports. Would love to walk in your foot steps. Pls advise how you use mamba as it is in Russian....? do u have somebody translate for you.

awaiting your reply.

regards

Hype912

11-11-09, 20:15

Fantastic report HD. I'll be there for two months beginning in Jan and hope to do the same.

Regarding Mamba, how far in advance did you strike up conversations with the girls you ended up meeting ? I've noticed that there are so many new girls signing up there on a daily basis, that its almost not worth compiling a list of girls until you're about two weeks from touching down in Kiev.

Thoughts?

HunterDave

11-12-09, 01:41

HunterDave

11-12-09, 01:42

Boofer,

Thanks. After you join mamba. Ru and add a profile in the bottom left corner after you enter your call sign and password is the chance to set it up in english from Russian. It is easy then but when the women write me back in Russian, I use an online traslator.

Hunter

Hunter Dave,

exciting reports. Would love to walk in your foot steps. Pls advise how you use mamba as it is in Russian....? do u have somebody translate for you.

awaiting your reply.

regards

Jojosun

11-12-09, 19:33

Barba,

Thanks. I wil try to post Day 3 from my last trip soon and lots of pics but I am already traveling in Europe and have little time to get it all done. This Trip # 3 was last month (mid-month) before the flu hit the Ukraine. I am scheduled to be back in Kiev thsi weekend for a few days of business and mongering. Hope things have calmed down. Hoping Jojo can give me an update on the flu and RP hotties during this past week.

HunterHi Hunter

Got back from Kiev very late Monday, 9 Nov, and here is a brief report of relevance, to your Kiev trip this weekend.

Airport Transfer to my hotel on kreschatick.

I was met by my driver from my sept trip. I phoned him from london, and he quoted 130 grevnas, and I paid him 150 uah, and he was very pleased.

As know the taxi drivers hanging around arrivals, would not move their asses for less than 200.

Topping up my mobile. I noticed that Kiev star office on the left hand side in arrivals was closed, but the small kiosk next to it was open, and they topped my Kiev star card with 50 uah.

The only visible signs of the flu crises, that I noticed on arrival at the airport, were surgical masks worn by personnel in the airport, and fewer passengers.

On arrival at my hotel, I was given a 10% discount, by the lovely girl on reception, that I have been flirting with from my last trip in sept, so saved some money as well.

One very welcome change, which might be very handy and useful to you and would be mongers to Kiev, is that the 2 restaurants on site, one of which is japanese (Myapakawami), they have another branch next to river palace, are now open 24h, prices and drinks reasonable, and with lovely waitresses. The other restaurant is Ukranian and international.

And all of this in addition to the 24h Bar in the lobby.

Got showered, and started making arrangements to meet the first one on my list, which was Inna the 19 year old brunette, that I have been in contact with through flirt, and on the phone from london, to make sure, that she spoke English. The same Inna, that you had. How do I know that?, because the phone no, that you sent me was the same one I had from her, through flirt.

She texted me prior to meeting to ask whether I got condoms?. I texted back to tell her, that I got enough condoms on me to fuck her a few times, and all the girls in her agency.

I was hinting, that up to this stage, I still thought that she was working for an agency. Although she insisted that she wasn; t.

She arrived to meet me in the restaurnt of the hotel downstairs. I figured, that if I didn't click with her, it would be much easier and less awkward to make a retreat.

Had few drinks with her, and statred discussing prices.

She quoted $300, through flirt first, when I first contacted her, but on meeting me, and hearing my phone ringing constantly, agreed to a much lower figure, for shorter time.

I told her my Mental Monetary Figure is $100PH, and never ever I would pay more than, what I would pay in london.

Anyway she did agree, but as you correctly pointed out in your report, although she is quite attractive and 19yrs, she is heavily photoshopped. I normally go for tanned blondes.

So on this occasion, I made some excuses, as I didn't fancy her, gave her 100 uah taxi fare and she left, after I told her I will call her next day.

By this time it was nearly!.30 am, and I had problems contacting my driver to go to River Palace, and it was pouring down heavily with rain and sleet. Called it a night and went to bed.

Saturday. Went down to River palace, and the first thing that I noticed, was the lack of any real stunners, that I met on my first trip.

There was a mesh mash mixture of average looking and some just above.

Got approached by 2 girls, who I wouldn't even pay $100 for both, and they quoted 500. I replied GREVNAS? NO they said Dollars. So I just gave them a blank look.

I met a quite attractive tall blond girl, with long hair, who I recognised from my last trip, and was just wondering whether she was IRENA, that you refered to in your reports?.

Bar men and waitreses had all the gear on, complete with surgical masks.

So I don't really know, whether it was the flu scare, or the fact it was a Saturday, not being a good night?, that kept the top cats away.

I Would recommend for you, ROKSOLANA massage, just close to maidan.

I sent you the details of the student, who used to work there Slava, but she has now left. Her place is filled BY a real 22 blond stunner by the name of Sonjia. A genuine student, who works weekends only.

Speaks fluent english, and she did a working holiday in the states for 6 months.

You can go down there have a look at the girls, and you can ask for the girl of your choice to visit you in your apartment. You save a lot of time and be sure of your choice. I will post another report about the girls, that I met. I did post one in the other Kiev thread, but it seems to be no longer there.

I will post another one about the Kiev girls and escorts, it wasn't very exciting, as most of the top girls of my choice were either away, or just bait and switch by the agencies.

Dontesk girl came down to meet me on the last day, just as I planned it, but that is another STORY, to be posted in Kiev Escorts shortly.

Conclusion. If I were you stick to the girls that you tried and fancied from previous trips.

TO GERGIEV. I sent you a pm with the Email Address for RP, just check your inbox.

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HunterDave

11-12-09, 21:09

Jojo,

Thanks for the report report here and my PM. I agree with all that is going on in Kiev I may try many of my favorites. Plus some RP action. But I do have many other possible freebies so we will C. Thanks again.

Hunter

Hi Hunter

Got back from Kiev very late Monday, 9 Nov, and here is a brief report of relevance, to your Kiev trip this weekend.

Airport Transfer to my hotel on kreschatick.

I was met by my driver from my sept trip. I phoned him from london, and he quoted 130 grevnas, and I paid him 150 uah, and he was very pleased.

As know the taxi drivers hanging around arrivals, would not move their asses for less than 200.

Topping up my mobile. I noticed that Kiev star office on the left hand side in arrivals was closed, but the small kiosk next to it was open, and they topped my Kiev star card with 50 uah.

The only visible signs of the flu crises, that I noticed on arrival at the airport, were surgical masks worn by personnel in the airport, and fewer passengers.

On arrival at my hotel, I was given a 10% discount, by the lovely girl on reception, that I have been flirting with from my last trip in sept, so saved some money as well.

One very welcome change, which might be very handy and useful to you and would be mongers to Kiev, is that the 2 restaurants on site, one of which is japanese (Myapakawami), they have another branch next to river palace, are now open 24h, prices and drinks reasonable, and with lovely waitresses. The other restaurant is Ukranian and international.

And all of this in addition to the 24h Bar in the lobby.

Got showered, and started making arrangements to meet the first one on my list, which was Inna the 19 year old brunette, that I have been in contact with through flirt, and on the phone from london, to make sure, that she spoke English. The same Inna, that you had. How do I know that?, because the phone no, that you sent me was the same one I had from her, through flirt.

She texted me prior to meeting to ask whether I got condoms?. I texted back to tell her, that I got enough condoms on me to fuck her a few times, and all the girls in her agency.

I was hinting, that up to this stage, I still thought that she was working for an agency. Although she insisted that she wasn; t.

She arrived to meet me in the restaurnt of the hotel downstairs. I figured, that if I didn't click with her, it would be much easier and less awkward to make a retreat.

Had few drinks with her, and statred discussing prices.

She quoted $300, through flirt first, when I first contacted her, but on meeting me, and hearing my phone ringing constantly, agreed to a much lower figure, for shorter time.

I told her my Mental Monetary Figure is $100PH, and never ever I would pay more than, what I would pay in london.

Anyway she did agree, but as you correctly pointed out in your report, although she is quite attractive and 19yrs, she is heavily photoshopped. I normally go for tanned blondes.

So on this occasion, I made some excuses, as I didn't fancy her, gave her 100 uah taxi fare and she left, after I told her I will call her next day.

By this time it was nearly!.30 am, and I had problems contacting my driver to go to River Palace, and it was pouring down heavily with rain and sleet. Called it a night and went to bed.

Saturday. Went down to River palace, and the first thing that I noticed, was the lack of any real stunners, that I met on my first trip.

There was a mesh mash mixture of average looking and some just above.

Got approached by 2 girls, who I wouldn't even pay $100 for both, and they quoted 500. I replied GREVNAS? NO they said Dollars. So I just gave them a blank look.

I met a quite attractive tall blond girl, with long hair, who I recognised from my last trip, and was just wondering whether she was IRENA, that you refered to in your reports?.

Bar men and waitreses had all the gear on, complete with surgical masks.

So I don't really know, whether it was the flu scare, or the fact it was a Saturday, not being a good night?, that kept the top cats away.

I Would recommend for you, ROKSOLANA massage, just close to maidan.

I sent you the details of the student, who used to work there Slava, but she has now left. Her place is filled BY a real 22 blond stunner by the name of Sonjia. A genuine student, who works weekends only.

Speaks fluent english, and she did a working holiday in the states for 6 months.

You can go down there have a look at the girls, and you can ask for the girl of your choice to visit you in your apartment. You save a lot of time and be sure of your choice. I will post another report about the girls, that I met. I did post one in the other Kiev thread, but it seems to be no longer there.

I will post another one about the Kiev girls and escorts, it wasn't very exciting, as most of the top girls of my choice were either away, or just bait and switch by the agencies.

Dontesk girl came down to meet me on the last day, just as I planned it, but that is another STORY, to be posted in Kiev Escorts shortly.

Conclusion. If I were you stick to the girls that you tried and fancied from previous trips.

TO GERGIEV. I sent you a pm with the Email Address for RP, just check your inbox.

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Billy Elliot

11-12-09, 21:41

Hey guys,

Am a London lad who will be at the RP on Sunday night and possibly may check it out on Saturday night after Avalon/Arena.

If your there one night Hunter let me know.

Staying at the Rus and have heard it is the USD 20 to the security to take the girl to your room.

Should be a cool weekend!!!

Billy

HunterDave

11-12-09, 23:24

this was my third day of my last trip which was in mid-october before the flu situation developed in the ukraine.

day 3

since i had had a good 2 days, i thought i would try and work some of the potential freebies. a 20 year old blonde who had moved to kiev recently to live with her older sister had talked for weeks about wanting to meet me. she was moving to kiev for university studies and for a job. she had hoped to meet the day before, but was hesitant, but when i told her i was only in town for a 3 day business trip, next thing i knew she was enroute and showed up at out front of my apartment wearing a leather jacket with black leather pants and these white and black high heel boots that helped accentuate her nice little tush. since i was playing it slow i took her down the road to tgi friday's for a drink and a snack. after some chit chat and getting to know her better suggested we head back to my place for some wine and some music. she said ok and after some fooling around took her to the bedroom where i was able to get her naked and just started to suck on her nice see breasts. she was a moaner and really enjoyed me slowly touching and licking her body. she was one of those that loved the lovemaking and the pleasure of being caressed. she was only about 5' 5" but on the petitie side. this one loved to ride cowgirl and went crazy driving hard on my cock. she gave a pretty good bbbj and was a bit hesitant when i tried to go deep in missionary, but i showed her i could slowly go deep and she eventually began to thoroughly enjoy it. when i pinned her to the mattress after doggie and really worked in deep she lost it and came and then so did i. some great lovemaking and we then just lay in bed with her touching me all over. i feigned a sore back and she gave me a light massage. she was with me about 2 and a half hours. i paid her for her cab fare round trip 100 grivna. so another freebie for some cab fare and a drink and snack. not bad. she is constantly writing me on mamba and is waiting to see me again. we'll c.

i also was waiting to meet two 19 year olds. the first one was very interested in meeting and then asked if i had a friend and i said no but would meet with both of them. things got hectic that day so i made up an excuse to pass and they both then said they'd come to see me the next morning.(more on that later).

i had another possible freebie who knew i was leaving the next day who happened to be working near arena city so she called me and wanted to meet for coffee. she was a hot looking 27 year old brunette (lyudmila) and we met in the arena pub/restaurant for coffee. i thought i could get away with meeting this one for an hour since an 18 year old law student wanted to come by my place. things were getting to close, but i said what the hell and went to meet the brunette at arena city. juggling my schedule to hunt for freebie strange was too tight (but on a 3 day "business trip") i was trying to pack in as much hunting as possible. what was supposed to be an hour with the brunette turned out to be about 35 minutes. she did not speak english and i did not speak any russian, so by the time we linked up and began to semi-chat, with the coffee served, my damn phone started ringing and the 18 year old said she was in a cab heading to my place 30 minutes early. damnit! i did not really give the brunette a decent chance, and with the inability to speak to each other, my interest was waning fast, but she was good looking i sure wish i could speak russian. i can only imagine how much more strange i could nail. if i keep making trips to kiev i probably need to learn more the few basic things i know how to say. i finished my coffee and came up with the excuse that a "business associate" had moved up a meeting and dinner and that i was going to have to leave. not sure if i will see her again due to the language barrier, but i did have that 18 year old waiting out front of my apartment.

i rushed the few blocks to my place, came up with the excuse that i had had to exchange some $$$ for grivna and that she was early, she bought it and we went up to my place. this girl was tall, about 175 cm and had a nice looking body in some tight jeans nice blue eyes. she drank a little water only (didn't drink) and then after some small talk i convinced her we should move to the bedroom, she agreed but first wanted to shower. then she came to my bedroom and we proceeded to some hot dfk and my present to disrobe (de-towel) her. for an 18 year old she had an impressive body, nice perky be cups, very athletic. she needed some coaching but i was ready to assist. she was at first mechanical on the bbbj but i worked her head up and down slowly to help her get her rhythm and stroke down. by the end of the bbbj she was taking me to the hilt. very nice. she was a light moaner but after i had her in several positions, a few i am sure she had not experienced before, she picked up the tempo and the pleasure moaning. she had never had anyone pin her to the mattress and go deep, but really got into it. when i had her legs up around my ears and gave her the deepest penetration that is when she totally lost it and she loved it when i finally came. i feigned that sore back and she gave me a massage. this girl did not want to leave. she was into the sex and just lying in bed and talking. she said she would stay till 8 pm but i needed to get cleaned up for another freebie meeting at 8 pm. so i told her i needed to get ready for a business dinner. clearly i was juggling to many women in too short a time period imagine throwing a hot 18 year old out of your bed to go and meet an unknown (pretty dumb). this day had filled up with no time to maneuver. but definitely made my day exciting juggling strange. after another quick session, the 18 year old got up and went and showered. in emails all she had asked for was a present, but i really did not have anything to give her, so as she was leaving since she did not want any cab fare, i put $50 in a small box and sent her on her way. not too suave but hey she did want a present. not sure how she took it when she opened the little box. but if i see her again (probably) i will bring her a nice trinket. so guess i can call that one a freebie or a very inexpensive p4p. i will call it a freebie with present.

i rushed over for my 8 pm and son of a ***** a no show my first. she sms'd me saying she was enroute, and she would be wearing blah, blah blah, but a no show. and i threw out a horny 18 year old from my bed go figure. guess the freebie hunt had caught up with me. what was best? a bird in the hand or the unknown probably should have kept the sure bet. since i was sitting at the bar at friday's with a no show, i sms'd another monger who i was supposed to meet later that night, lmartin, who was in town for business. we had planned to link up and to later head to rp for some team mongering. he came to friday's early we had a beer and he ate, then i took him to my place to show him how i found the women thru mamba, plus the data i had compiled on several other websites to include top-models. com. ua, escort-models, sexzona, etc i then showed him my apartment set up with the camera location, and then showed him several of my videos from all of my trips. he seemed to enjoy all of the videos and then helped show me how to capture/freeze frame some of the pics i have posted (along with help from my it guy back home).

we headed to rp about midnight. this was l martin's cherry rp run. i showed him the ropes and we had a great time comparing our assessments and notes on the many nice things running around on this monday night i kept telling him to be patient and wait out the women and that eventually they would come. they would circle in, and we could have our pick. he pointed out a few of the blondes i had nailed on previous trips and i told him that in time i would introduce him to this one called victoria she is a college student making some money on the side. she was wearing this tight body clinging pinkish dress that did not hide anything to one's imagination, i told l martin that he could have a great time with her, plus she had her own car so no taxi back to his hotel. she finally came close and winked at me we started talking and i immediately introduced her to l martin. victoria was a great lay. nice perky breasts and had a nice little giggle when i had laid her. after the intro l martin closed the deal with her and they departed. i do not think he was at rp but an hour. he told me he had a great time with her.

i stayed around and rejected many women since i was looking for a certain type. turned down several threesome offers all very nice but i had this one blonde named alona, who said for sure she would be at my apartment between 5:30 and 6 for a quick session., so i only needed a quick turn on someone that caught my eye there were several candidates and it was just after 1 am and i knew i needed to choose soon or i would get backed up to alona at 5:30am. there was this 5'7" blonde, named irina (i will call her irina 2) in some nice tight jeans who continued to smile at me but i did not make a move to her, she finally approached me and started the speel $300, then $200, i offered $100 she got pissed and left me. but she made a turn around the floor and came back, she said let's work out a deal and leave i knew she was interested so i threw her a bone and offered $125. she again left, but 5 minutes later came back and said ok but that she would only stay till 5 am. perfect for me. this girl was sharp, she ordered us a cab, for 30 grivna and we headed back to my place. she did not want any wine we had a great dfk session on my couch, she told me she had not been to rp in over 3 months since she had been in a bad traffic accident and had been unable be with a man that whole time now my interest was peaked. she went and showered and she told me she was into being totally intimate. since she had not been laid in over 3 months i thought i would make this special for her after more great kissing i gave her a great daty and she came a few times with her body shaking and quivering i knew i had a live one. she went to town on my dick bbbj and after she put the condom on. kept pulling on my cock because she said she just had to have it in her so now i played with her, i held back to make her start begging as i kissed and sucked on her breasts this drove her absolutely nuts and she literally was beginning for my cock. i was loving this so i slowly entered her and she literally came with just my head inside. i worked her nice and slowly. i know she had multiple orgasms because she would shake violently. so i kept going slow then fast then back to slow this drove her nuts i have a great video of our session (but dark pics-but great audio) and in the video she says she came more than 20 times and that i had not come even once. so this girl worked hard to make me come which gave her that much more pleasure. after i finished off inside her. she proceeded to give me a great massage. she was great with her hands all over my body. this one was gooooood. after a great massage she to get me hard again and rode me cowgirl till she tired and said she could not get me off a 2nd time. all in all a great fuck. one i will surely repeat with. irina (2) called a cab and also gave me the taxi number since she said they have dispatchers that speak some english i will try them out my next trip and report back to isg. she left me at just before 5 am.

i called alona and she said she would be over nlt 6 am. like a clock she showed and was a hot blonde, 5'7" with a great rack. i wasn't sure how well i would do in bed after irina 2, but what the hell this alona had wanted to meet me so bad so i decided to give her a try. we dispensed with pleasantries and moved straight to the bedroom. i wish i had had some rest before meeting this one. great cbj, and since i was still tired i kept her in cowgirl with her doing most of the work. after some time though i decided to roll her over and pound her since she really got my juices going with her moaning and little screams as much as she tried she was unable to get me to come even though i was hard as a rock while it was a very good session, i will see her again because i really want to savor my time with and in her we finally called it quits and she left just before 8 am. now i was ready for some sleep. but 45 minutes later my phone went off and the 2 19 year olds from the day before said they wanted to see me and that they were cutting their 9 am classes and would be at my apartment in 15 minutes. me being a true mongerer said ok, jumped in the shower and got ready awful damn tired.

true to their word, they called at 9 am and were in front of my place. i needed some coffee so we headed down the road to find some joe they were cute (i will post a few pics of them) and spoke decent english i was dead tired but thought this might be interesting the taller dirty blonde was hot and had a nice rack. after the coffee we walked down khreshatik why i do not know. i then talked them into going back to my place they were very close friends even though i was trying to figure out how to maybe separate and conquer but then decided shoot for both we started having a nice time but i ran out of time, my driver was coming to pick me up at 11 am. i will try to nail these 2 on a follow on trip. they seemed interested hope i can get them to the bedroom we will c. just when things were getting good my driver showed and they had to leave. next time!

three crazy days with lots of future potential i just scratched the surface of my ground work from mamba plenty more to work i found that working the women online a few weeks in advance of showing up in kiev pays great dividends some basic ground work and light banter. blah. blah blah. can bring very good results 3 days and 12 women but hardly any sleep.! i will post pics from this trip along with some from my other trips.

hunter

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It Travel

11-13-09, 12:51

Bez Bezarra

11-13-09, 13:46

In Kiev, I visited 15 apartments with girls, and I am disappointed with the range of girls and the high pricing.

900 grivna ($105) the standard price.

In Poland the quality was better and a lower price.

Despite visiting 15 flats I chose only one girl, in her mid-twenties, with silicone breast.

I payed 1200 grivna ($145) for one hour.

I payed only 150-300 zloty ($50-$105) for as beautiful girls in Warczawa-Sopot-Gdansk.

A little review of members who reports ACCURATELY!

1. Sure doesn't sound like the previous poster, who claimed the apartments were definitely the place to always find young new student hotties in from the provinces.

Sounds much more like the REAL Kiev, where you have to go to 15 places to find one acceptable wh0re, that turns out NOT to be 18 or 19, but mid-twenties with fake boobs, aka MILF.

2. So, JoJo.

Exactly how are you saying that you turned down the incredible Inna on your arrival night, after the fantastic reports of Hunter, and chose to go to bed without fucking her for many hours at Hunter's discount price of $60 dollars??

How can this be possible??

Hunter fucks at least 3 girls on his arrival night, all at super low prices, and you had NONE????

Hunter had no problem bargaining Inna down to $60 for at least 4 hours.

Are you actually claiming that she didn't agree to that with you???

Bez Bezarra

11-13-09, 14:12

Hi Hunter

Got back from Kiev 9 Nov, and here is a brief report of relevance.

Conclusion.

If I were you, stick to the girls that you tried and fancied from previous trips.

But your conclusion is COMPLETELY the opposite of Hunter, who has claimed at least 10 NEW girls on all 3 consecutive trips that are nothing less than incredible GFE sex godesses, all at super affordable prices.

How can this be??? :D

You must be lying to hide the fact that every prostitute in Kiev offers low prices for the best GFE in the universe, so you can keep them all for yourself.

That's the REAL truth, right? ;)

It Travel

11-13-09, 14:19

As everybody knows flirt is the “.ua” version of mamba… the database is the same…

Found this little jewel really seeming the younger sister of one of our icons Mystery Tramp!

May be somebody mange to drill her holes….

http://flirt.com.ua/v_0909/

a real UA beauty 21 y.o. but it’s the 167/47 interesting me practically the perfection of a skinny blondinka non to tall not to slim…. Simply made for sex.

Due to the fact I will not be soon in Kiev maybe somebody can drill her and report ;)

Making the same photo as MT would be exceptional, spread legs and swollen wet pussy lips… the famous “helicopter”… :p :p a pic from May 2004.

May be she can get Skanked or Mellied or whaterver in the time…. She seems better but when you come to BBBJ and CIM... MT was close to the state of the art!

Happy Hunting

IT

PS The original one
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=327087&postcount=98

May be somebody thinks I am crazy, but skinny cum guzzler blondinkas are my favourite...

Prosal

11-13-09, 14:33

when the women write me back in Russian, I use an online traslator
Could you give your trick to do that ?

From what I know, one can no more cutn paste (to then translate) on mamba's discussion/message windows.

It Travel

11-13-09, 17:01

Could you give your trick to do that ?

From what I know, one can no more cutn paste (to then translate) on mamba's discussion/message windows.

Usually you can paste only when thy are on line, otherwise put the adress in the translating site and get there form the start page ;)

IT

Just two cents

AColonizer

11-13-09, 18:10

If you use: www.tineye.com, you should know the last picture is not her original picture.

Moreover, if you want a "helicopter" or a "tulip", then you should contact: http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=2213

I have already reviewed her about two years ago, I was surprised to see the small lips outside like a tulip.

Don't mind about her price (that is just for beginners).

As everybody knows flirt is the “.ua” version of mamba… the database is the same.

Found this little jewel really seeming the younger sister of one of our icons Mystery Tramp!

May be somebody mange to drill her holes….

http://flirt.com.ua/v_0909/

a real UA beauty 21 y.o. but it’s the 167/47 interesting me practically the perfection of a skinny blondinka non to tall not to slim…. Simply made for sex.

Due to the fact I will not be soon in Kiev maybe somebody can drill her and report ;)

Making the same photo as MT would be exceptional, spread legs and swollen wet pussy lips… the famous “helicopter”… :p :p a pic from May 2004.

May be she can get Skanked or Mellied or whaterver in the time…. She seems better but when you come to BBBJ and CIM... MT was close to the state of the art!

Happy Hunting

IT

PS The original one
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=327087&postcount=98

May be somebody thinks I am crazy, but skinny cum guzzler blondinkas are my favourite...

AColonizer

11-13-09, 18:12

In your opinion, the last week of the year is a good week for mongering? I mean, students will be on holiday by their parents and relatives?

Skane Henrik

11-13-09, 20:08

Could you give your trick to do that ?

From what I know, one can no more cutn paste (to then translate) on mamba's discussion/message windows.I have had the same problem recently. Try change your browser, maybe install Linux system, (I use Ubuntu), or just wait. Sometimes it works, and sometimes not, just to copy and past.

Pantherman38

11-13-09, 21:33

I am planning a trip to Eastern Europe. My first stop is Budapest. I have visited Eastern Europe twice and I visited all of South America so many times it has become my second home. If any on can expound on the climate in the Ukraine in regards to dark ethnic groups. The state United States Department has a issued warning that the Ukraine could be dangerous for certain ethnic groups of people. I would appreciate comments from US citizen living in the Ukraine.

Doctor_Skank

11-13-09, 21:56

May be somebody thinks I am crazy, but skinny cum guzzler blondinkas are my favourite...I don't think you are crazy IT, we have the same taste... )

Hype912

11-13-09, 22:35

Could you give your trick to do that ?

From what I know, one can no more cutn paste (to then translate) on mamba's discussion/message windows.Just select the text from the Flirt/Mamba pop up window and select all - then drag the text into the Google Translate box. Its a bit quirky, but happens to work.

Meashearim

11-14-09, 00:41

Some info on the twins...

If you remember of course

Not really blondinkas, light light brown 156 cm, around 45 kg... A cups... very white skinned? around 22-25?

Because I've seen a pair on mamba... in Kiev, unfortunately did not catch them... the ultimate of sex...

ITIt sounds exactly like the twins I have "dated" the last days/weeks. I met them at RP, where they go 2-3 times a week. The other nights in a week they spend at other places like Shooters and other Rich man-/Foreigner-/Tourist-place around Arena, hunting money.

They dance very sexy – but don't get tricked with their charisma. Sex was really average with my sister-twin, because they are drinking way too much alcohol. I've been with 14 girls so far since I arrived to Kiev (september). And my sister-twin is not on my top 10-list sexwise. Due to studies and economical reality I have slowed down the last weeks. Also – I am not so hungry any more – and also quite pissed at people's attitude/customer service/whatever in this town. So I have came to the conclusion that I won't spoil these Sushi-girls anymore.

Anyhow, twins drinking way too much, and too messed up in their head. So stay off them is my recommendation. They are a perfect example of an "ordinary" Kiev-girl. Going to RP, then playing "good girls" next day at a normal place like Shooters (well you may end up with not paying for sex directly, but they will be asking for school money, rent money etc in the morning), and having their profile on different dating sites.

They wanted me to pay their rent, 5 000 grivna for a month. They live nice though, not too far away from centre, but when I backed off, well, literally I told them they could move in to me if they would be put on the streets, the response was like this: "I hate you – I don't want to see you!". But I'm not too worried, they have probably already found a new "daddy".

I haven't had time to read through all Hunter's post, but all these "da da da" are just too much. None of my girls have even been close to say that. But what the heck, I will pay additional hundred grivna for that next time. And people here are too much bitches to be that friendly and give you such good experiences all the time. Here people never smile. Only foreigners. They even get pissed at you if you greet them (ordinary people, wherever) twice a day, because "that you do only once a day".

The only girls with good attitude will be the ones getting $300 straight without negotiation. And if you spend that kind of money each time on, for example, RP-girls – yep, then they will be all over you. Otherwise, dasvidanja mate.

And a problem these days is that business at RP is really slow. Many girls went home to their cities. I don't know why. Maybe a combination of slow season and the swine flu. It has been like a desert both this Wednesday and yesterday (Thursday). I hope it will be better!

I tried the Mandarin Kabaré a few days ago, they have some kind of cooperation with Rio, I guess, since I noticed a few girls there who worked at Rio last time I went there. I really liked Mandarin though, and they had some really hot dancers. But still, $300 for a take out, 2–3 hours. What more to say, I had a sushi plate at Mandarin, because it seemed surprisingly cheap (only 88 grivna), but when the bill came – about 400 grivna. I guess they set the 88 grivna price during the Korea-war, and just forgot to change it.

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