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I don't think you are crazy IT, we have the same taste... )
I know Doc, so may be you will skank her?
IT
;) ;) ;)
But your conclusion is COMPLETELY the opposite of Hunter, who has claimed at least 10 NEW girls on all 3 consecutive trips that are nothing less than incredible GFE sex godesses, all at super affordable prices.
How can this be? : D
You must be lying to hide the fact that every prostitute in Kiev offers low prices for the best GFE in the universe, so you can keep them all for yourself.
That's the REAL truth, right? ;)Just to put things into context.
Although I am a newbie to the mongering scene in Kiev, my score is 2 trips, so far since sept 09. I have been mongering my way around Eastern and central Europe since my student days, when these contries were firmly behined the iron curtain.
My humble Experience now, with these countries, is that (The incredible GFE sex godesses at super affordable prices) are long gone, with the Berlin wall, and the admission of most EE countries into the European Union.
A lot of would be mongers to the ukraine, are under some illusion, that super hot blondikas are just waiting to fall into their arms, at a super affordable price.
The reality is, as a lot of the old hands on mongering in ukraine, have posted, is different from the fantassy picture, we like to have of Kiev.
I am sure, that there are many layers to Kiev, like any other city, and most mongers would not venture beyond the first layer.
The first layer ofcourse, consist of the usual suspects, RIVER PALACE, ARENA, SHOOTRES, BUDDHA BAR, and other expats venues.
In all of the above places, we know it not a super low price for a hottie.
Then we have the Massage places, which tend to to underlooked, when one has a great opportunity to preview the girls and book them for an incall visit.
I found the 2 stunning girls, who were geneuine students, working in these parlours. They would do more than massage, if it is an incall and on a second meeting.
Apartments. I didn't bother with any of them, as I thought, it would not be cost effective and time wasting, as Meashearim reported.
You would need a taxi on hand to wizz from one apartment to another. A cheaper and quicker not to mention safer option, would be to book incalls, then the damage is only 50 grevnas, taxi fare.
I didn't find anything worth shagging, for less than $80 plus 50 grevnas taxi fare. And I am sorry to report, that I never had a great BBBJ, from any of them, and when they weren't clock watching, I was, since I was there to sample the best ones on my list in the limited time I had.
AS for the so called freebies on flirt and mamba, you do need to state on your proflie, what you are looking for.
Love, Friendship, Marriage. Sex. Other.
So I had no option, but to put (SEX), and when you put this option, the magic word (LOOKING FOR a SPONSOR) comes up., but is this a Freebie?
Well this is how I met my Dontsek girl, who was a great lay, gave me a great bbj, a 21 year old, who said she was a student. More on this in the Kiev escorts shortly.
But at a total cost of $320, which broke my mental monetary limit of $300. is this super affordable.?
I did advise VG in a pm not to expect a sexed up report or a colourful one, well here it is.
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A little review of members who reports ACCURATELY!
1. Sure doesn't sound like the previous poster, who claimed the apartments were definitely the place to always find young new student hotties in from the provinces.
Sounds much more like the REAL Kiev, where you have to go to 15 places to find one acceptable wh0re, that turns out NOT to be 18 or 19, but mid-twenties with fake boobs, aka MILF.
2. So, JoJo.
Exactly how are you saying that you turned down the incredible Inna on your arrival night, after the fantastic reports of Hunter, and chose to go to bed without fucking her for many hours at Hunter's discount price of $60 dollars??
How can this be possible?
Hunter fucks at least 3 girls on his arrival night, all at super low prices, and you had NONE?
Hunter had no problem bargaining Inna down to $60 for at least 4 hours.
Are you actually claiming that she didn't agree to that with you???Bez,
See my other report.
All I can say different horses for different courses.
Meeting INNA was a huge anti climax.
After many messages and speaking to her on the phone, prior to leaving London, meeting her in the flesh, brought me down to reality, from the fantassy I had in my mind gazing at her photos.
Although, she is a young attractive girl, she is nothing like her photos, which HD mentioned a bit like Victoria Street.
I am a white guy, but I have a thing for tanned blondes, and her being brunette, made me make up m, y mind very quickly, but has she been like her posted photo, I would have taken the plunge at a a max of $100 ph, my mental upper figure.
Two other things. Firstly, I don't like bargaining with girls, but try to get an idea about the Min and max, they would go for.
And secondly, being single at present and living in central London, I have all the time in the world, to sample the best from all over the world, at prices very comparable to many mongering destinations.
Just to give you an idea, since Meashearim posted about poland.
Incall and outcall in poland or visits to sexclubs, are now more or less the same as in london, but in london you get 2 pops for the hour.
So for me to take the plunge in Kiev, the price has to to be lower than, what I would pay for in london, and the Quality and looks much higher.
Hence my lower mongering Score in Kiev.
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Jojo,
Thanks for the report report here and my PM. I agree with all that is going on in Kiev I may try many of my favorites. Plus some RP action. But I do have many other possible freebies so we will C. Thanks again.
HunterHi hunter.
I am a member of both mamba and flirt, and as you know, you have to state on your profile, what are you looking for ie, sex, love and friendship, marriage, other.
As a matter of interest, what category from the above, did you put on your proflie, to get those sex freebies?
I put on my proflie, that I am looking for sex only, and when I make contact, they respond by stating, that they are looking for a sponsor, ie money. And from here the negotiations start.
But I did get many replies, from generationsoflove, which is an offshoot, of the above, which are clearly dating proposals, mainly from russia, something I am not interested in.
So may be I should change something on my profile?
Not to keep knocking him but I thought the girls he posted in the photo section were just average for Kyiv.
I still can't get over (believe) the girls at RP throwing themselves at him (sure, some of the minor league skanks (no relation to the doctor) do that, but it's not the norm. And the perfectly smooth hook ups with ho's from mamba/flirt, that just doesn't happen (most of the time).
But your conclusion is COMPLETELY the opposite of Hunter, who has claimed at least 10 NEW girls on all 3 consecutive trips that are nothing less than incredible GFE sex godesses, all at super affordable prices.
How can this be??? :D
You must be lying to hide the fact that every prostitute in Kiev offers low prices for the best GFE in the universe, so you can keep them all for yourself.
That's the REAL truth, right? ;)
Amsterdam09
11-15-09, 18:58
Hey HD,
Leaving for my favorite city again next week and are in contact with Inna as well. Still hoping you would post some pictures as promised below.
Maybe you did but i can not find them.
Also a question for the one and only Bez.
How can i get in touch with Irina for the beautiful Irina returns pictures?
Loved the posts gentleman!
Thanks,
T.
Day 2
Finally got up and showered. Pulled out the number for a 19 year old named Inna, her pics were hot, but half of them were of a Victoria Secret model, but the other half looked about as good of a hot brunette that looked great in a bikini, so I said what the hell. This one was also a university student looking for some extra cash. She had an excellent body, wore blue contacts, a bit to blue for her hair and clearly overdone. But a very hot 19 year old that was not a clock watcher and loved to suck dick. She had a great set of breasts (B+-C) for a 19 year old. Some humor, now I have a lot of grey hair on my head, but my pubic hair only a little grey hair, and she sat there playing with and sucking my dick and touching my pubic hair and literally stopped sucking to want to talk about it. I laughed and told her that while my head hair had gone grey, that my dick and its surroundings were very young and ready for her young hot body, she laughed, but still stared at my pubs while she gave me a great BBBJ. I just loved the rack on this one, just perfect and great to suck on. The day video on this one is excellent ([pics to follow).
AColonizer
11-15-09, 22:01
There is actually a new breeze in this forum, new mongers describing the reality and money-oriented. At last, the past writers of erotic tales are terminated.
It sounds exactly like the twins I have "dated" the last days/weeks. I met them at RP, where they go 2-3 times a week. The other nights in a week they spend at other places like Shooters and other Rich man-/Foreigner-/Tourist-place around Arena, hunting money.
They dance very sexy – but don't get tricked with their charisma. Sex was really average with my sister-twin, because they are drinking way too much alcohol. I've been with 14 girls so far since I arrived to Kiev (september). And my sister-twin is not on my top 10-list sexwise. Due to studies and economical reality I have slowed down the last weeks. Also – I am not so hungry any more – and also quite pissed at people's attitude/customer service/whatever in this town. So I have came to the conclusion that I won't spoil these Sushi-girls anymore.
Anyhow, twins drinking way too much, and too messed up in their head. So stay off them is my recommendation. They are a perfect example of an "ordinary" Kiev-girl. Going to RP, then playing "good girls" next day at a normal place like Shooters (well you may end up with not paying for sex directly, but they will be asking for school money, rent money etc in the morning), and having their profile on different dating sites.
They wanted me to pay their rent, 5 000 grivna for a month. They live nice though, not too far away from centre, but when I backed off, well, literally I told them they could move in to me if they would be put on the streets, the response was like this: "I hate you – I don't want to see you!". But I'm not too worried, they have probably already found a new "daddy".
I haven't had time to read through all Hunter's post, but all these "da da da" are just too much. None of my girls have even been close to say that. But what the heck, I will pay additional hundred grivna for that next time. And people here are too much bitches to be that friendly and give you such good experiences all the time. Here people never smile. Only foreigners. They even get pissed at you if you greet them (ordinary people, wherever) twice a day, because "that you do only once a day".
The only girls with good attitude will be the ones getting $300 straight without negotiation. And if you spend that kind of money each time on, for example, RP-girls – yep, then they will be all over you. Otherwise, dasvidanja mate.
And a problem these days is that business at RP is really slow. Many girls went home to their cities. I don't know why. Maybe a combination of slow season and the swine flu. It has been like a desert both this Wednesday and yesterday (Thursday). I hope it will be better!
I tried the Mandarin Kabaré a few days ago, they have some kind of cooperation with Rio, I guess, since I noticed a few girls there who worked at Rio last time I went there. I really liked Mandarin though, and they had some really hot dancers. But still, $300 for a take out, 2–3 hours. What more to say, I had a sushi plate at Mandarin, because it seemed surprisingly cheap (only 88 grivna), but when the bill came – about 400 grivna. I guess they set the 88 grivna price during the Korea-war, and just forgot to change it.
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I just think that twins (done together of course) are the ultimate of sex, and on gorund I did several times couples, bi coples and sisters... It's just the lsat missing!
IT
You have just got to love the antics of FEMEN.
This time, it seems that have hit a new high (or low) in criticizing the teachers who give girls better grades if the girl agrees to oral sex or sex. The photos are well worth a look.
Those are some fine ladies.
http://novynar.com.ua/gallery/politics/691
Bez Bezarra
11-17-09, 05:50
FEMEN criticizing teachers who give better grades if the girl agrees to sex.
Surely they can't argue that hot styudenkas are gonna get good grades for actually studying! They almost never show up for class, and probably don't even know what a book IS!
AColonizer
11-17-09, 13:22
She deserves a place of honour in this forum!
Billy Elliot
11-18-09, 01:45
Was at RP on Sunday night, had a great night, when I left the securtiy guard tried to charge me some dodgy fee so I gave him 50 gr and he got lost.
The Royal Palace I was at last night and is very expensive. $100 USD for a 2 song strip dance. Plus the girls want to sit with you and ask you to buy them drinks which are usually about 400 gr per drink (£40 ish), so no chance. Also the girls only do a strip, no more than that so it is a rip off.
There was another place on the main drag (Krazcheck or however it is called) near Arena which is down an alley way with a red sign light up on it and called the Red Lion Art Club. Anyway was 100 gr to get in, then pick a girl straight away (so you don't have to tip stippers) and you can go out the back and bang her for about 800 grn (400 to 800 from memory) for up to an hour.
Stayed at the Rus Hotel and saw girls on the second floor bar looking for business but only about 5 girls there and they were average in looks. The funny guys still hang around reception but that is normal there I think. Next time I will stay in a hotel a bit closer to the city.
Also tried to out Roksolana last night but it all looked like no sign of life there. I even opened up the front door which was open and walked into the building, but I couldn't see any club there. Although there is a sign outside of a girl dancing. Weird. I would recommend calling first just to make sure they are open and confirm exactly where their front entrance is (yes, I did look at their map first), but for about 1, 500 gr you can get a one and a half hour Sultan massage by two girls which looks like good value according to their website.
Any questions let me know, but would stay clear of the Royal Palace Hotel strip club as it is more expensive than London.
At RP the girls were quoting $300 for the night for pretty good sorts, I would say about 8 out of 10 on the looks scale. It was reasonably busy, but still lots of girls. It looks like you need to pick your girl just before 2am as from that point on all the pretty one's started to disappear. Overall was the best "club" type atmopshere for some drinks and to meet some girls. I got Irina's (great legs, little girl brunette) and Valeria's (red head) mobile numbers too if any of you need them. Also, Valeria told me that I could take her to dinner on a night she wasn't working and meet around 6pm, then spend the whole night for $300. Just so prices are a bit more transparent for you guys.
Not to keep knocking him but I thought the girls he posted in the photo section were just average for Kyiv.
I still can't get over (believe) the girls at RP throwing themselves at him (sure, some of the minor league skanks (no relation to the doctor) do that, but it's not the norm. And the perfectly smooth hook ups with ho's from mamba/flirt, that just doesn't happen (most of the time).
This one could be worth debating! :)
http://novynar.com.ua/gallery/politics/691?img=11
You have just got to love the antics of FEMEN.
This time, it seems that have hit a new high (or low) in criticizing the teachers who give girls better grades if the girl agrees to oral sex or sex. The photos are well worth a look.
Those are some fine ladies.
http://novynar.com.ua/gallery/politics/691
UB, many thanks for these occasional bulletins.
Working feverishly here at Castle Gergiev trying to come up with some way of getting on the wrong side of these girls! :)
Bez Bezarra
11-18-09, 05:42
This one could be worth debating.
What kind of debating,
Master?
Was at RP on Sunday night, had a great night, when I left the securtiy guard tried to charge me some dodgy fee so I gave him 50 gr and he got lost.
The Royal Palace I was at last night and is very expensive. $100 USD for a 2 song strip dance. Plus the girls want to sit with you and ask you to buy them drinks which are usually about 400 gr per drink (£40 ish), so no chance. Also the girls only do a strip, no more than that so it is a rip off.
There was another place on the main drag (Krazcheck or however it is called) near Arena which is down an alley way with a red sign light up on it and called the Red Lion Art Club. Anyway was 100 gr to get in, then pick a girl straight away (so you don't have to tip stippers) and you can go out the back and bang her for about 800 grn (400 to 800 from memory) for up to an hour.
Stayed at the Rus Hotel and saw girls on the second floor bar looking for business but only about 5 girls there and they were average in looks. The funny guys still hang around reception but that is normal there I think. Next time I will stay in a hotel a bit closer to the city.
Also tried to out Roksolana last night but it all looked like no sign of life there. I even opened up the front door which was open and walked into the building, but I couldn't see any club there. Although there is a sign outside of a girl dancing. Weird. I would recommend calling first just to make sure they are open and confirm exactly where their front entrance is (yes, I did look at their map first), but for about 1, 500 gr you can get a one and a half hour Sultan massage by two girls which looks like good value according to their website.
Any questions let me know, but would stay clear of the Royal Palace Hotel strip club as it is more expensive than London.
At RP the girls were quoting $300 for the night for pretty good sorts, I would say about 8 out of 10 on the looks scale. It was reasonably busy, but still lots of girls. It looks like you need to pick your girl just before 2am as from that point on all the pretty one's started to disappear. Overall was the best "club" type atmopshere for some drinks and to meet some girls. I got Irina's (great legs, little girl brunette) and Valeria's (red head) mobile numbers too if any of you need them. Also, Valeria told me that I could take her to dinner on a night she wasn't working and meet around 6pm, then spend the whole night for $300. Just so prices are a bit more transparent for you guys.
A part RP seem a real Rip Off... I'm not in to lap dance but that is a crazy price, for the same you can get a 19 y.o. blondinka fucking you for at least a cuple of hours...
Frankly speacking Rus Hotel is a satysfing quality/price... but a prifate flat is much much better. Never stayed there but visited. Nothing to have.
IT
just my two cents
Explorer69
11-18-09, 14:30
There was another place on the main drag (Krazcheck or however it is called) near Arena which is down an alley way with a red sign light up on it and called the Red Lion Art Club. Anyway was 100 gr to get in, then pick a girl straight away (so you don't have to tip stippers) and you can go out the back and bang her for about 800 grn (400 to 800 from memory) for up to an hour. I have walked past this place many times, but never went in. Every time I have wondered what kind of place is that? Can you give more information? Is it a strip club? Is take out of girls possible? The location is great, very close to where I usually stay.
Was at RP on Sunday night, had a great night, when I left the securtiy guard tried to charge me some dodgy fee so I gave him 50 gr and he got lost.
The Royal Palace I was at last night and is very expensive. $100 USD for a 2 song strip dance. Plus the girls want to sit with you and ask you to buy them drinks which are usually about 400 gr per drink (£40 ish), so no chance. Also the girls only do a strip, no more than that so it is a rip off.
There was another place on the main drag (Krazcheck or however it is called) near Arena which is down an alley way with a red sign light up on it and called the Red Lion Art Club. Anyway was 100 gr to get in, then pick a girl straight away (so you don't have to tip stippers) and you can go out the back and bang her for about 800 grn (400 to 800 from memory) for up to an hour.
Also tried to out Roksolana last night but it all looked like no sign of life there. I even opened up the front door which was open and walked into the building, but I couldn't see any club there. Although there is a sign outside of a girl dancing. Weird. I would recommend calling first just to make sure they are open and confirm exactly where their front entrance is (yes, I did look at their map first), but for about 1, 500 gr you can get a one and a half hour Sultan massage by two girls which looks like good value according to their website.
Any questions let me know, but would stay clear of the Royal Palace Hotel strip club as it is more expensive than London.
Drinks and to meet some girls. I got Irina's (great legs, little girl brunette) and Valeria's (red head) mobile numbers too if any of you need them. Also, Valeria told me that I could take her to dinner on a night she wasn't working and meet around 6pm, then spend the whole night for $300. Just so prices are a bit more transparent for you guys. I see you packed an interesting programme during your weekend.
The Royal Palace, you mean (Premier Palace) in the hotel by the same name.
When I went there in sept, it was empty, and it was a quick drink, and in and out for me.
Rio strip club, is one of the best, and girls can be taken out for $300, when they finish work at 5 am, at least this is, what I was told by one of the girls.
I didn't take up her offer.
Your best discovery, I must say is The Red Lion Art club, this is the sort of establishment, that I was looking for in Kiev, and couldn't find it. Next time.
How were the girls on the looks scale?
Roksolana, is not a club, but a Massage parlour. Just a Kiev apartment, with 3 rooms, and a big bathtub.
It is located in the courtyard, off the main street. You need to key in the code 37 on the main door, and pull the handle down, and walk up to the apartment on the left, I think either on the first, or second floor.
YOu can make an appt, and they arrange for a girl to meet you downstairs.
It is a bit tricky to find, and I had problems finding it first time. So a phone should be at hand.
River Palace. I am not sure about this dodgy fee?
Are you sure, it wasn't for checking your coat in?
I have never been asked to pay any fees, when leaving.
Valeria, seems to be a resident at RP, and can be very persistent. She can be a good guide, since she claims on her card to be a traslator, fluent in 4 or 5 languages. Not a stunner by anymeans, and certainly not worth the $300, she is quoting.
Irina. Now you mentioned (Great Legs), jogged my memory, and I do recall, she has long blond hair and tall. Is she the one.?
The $3oo, quotations, wouldn't be bad, if the girls stay for say a min of 3 to 4 hours. This should compare favourably with hourly rates quoted, by the really attractive ones from agencies and indies on the web sites.
But why waste $300, on just one girls, when you can sample few others?
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Bez Bezarra
11-18-09, 16:15
At RP the girls quote $300 for the night, they are 8's on the 10 scale.
You need to pick your girl just before 2am as from that point, all the pretty one's started to disappear.
Just so prices are a bit more transparent for you guys.
Looks like all mongers need to hire Hunter to be their RP wingman/ price negotiator, (like Bill Shatner!), since he is the obvious Tsar of the Pussy Palace.
Also, ranking a greedy RP professional prostitute with a score of 8, that processes you like a piece of meat with a wallet, is just not the same as a romance with a horny office secretary.
Oh wait, I forgot that Hunter proved that every RP pro and agency escort pro is even more GFE than non-pro students.
Has bin a while that I visited this site. Somehow got out of my mind.
Due to my work I have bin travelling to Ukraine about 160 times since summer 2002. I counted the stamps in my passports.:) Though the frequency of travelling has reduced the last 2 years I still have chance to travel regular.
I learned a lot about the country, the language, the way of handling business and the way pros and "non-pros" (mostly students) work.
Prices for renting apartments went up the last 5 years and are falling down rapidly the last 6 months. The same counts for the buying prices for apartments, houses, land, food in restaurants and of course women.
Since about a week or two I am visiting this site frequently again! Astonished to see that still many forum members from the past are still here. So "Hi" to all who remember me or with whom I had a drink in one of the Ukraine cities.
Also there are a lot of new members of course. I read back a few months of posts and I was kinda surprised. I contacted Hunter for get a contact detail, but I am still waiting:.)
Here my 2 euro in short about Kiev:
- It is impossible to get a RP girl for $125.
- The price for "I look for sponsor" girls in flirt/mamba or other starts at about 450 grivna up to
- For 450 grivna you not get a beauty!
- U are lucky when you get a beauty starting at 800.
- The most pictures on the pink pages are fake! Especially when the price is lower then 800 grivna per hour.
- Ukraine girls learn a lot about deceases. Many do not suck without. Especially the beauties, who also mostly strangely are higher educated then the ugly ones do not suck without unless there is sympathy during the meeting or the price is extremely good.
- The less beautiful ladies do almost all for money.
- Almost all interesting clubs for foreigners have an amount of prostitutes waiting for meat (Decadence, Tsar, Arena, Patipa, Shooters, Buddah and so on). The chance of picking up a freebee is very low.
- To meet a freebee go to one of those new local pubs or a club more far from centre. For a nice pub in centre go to Lucky-star for instance. For a club I can recommend still Forsage, 112, Caribbean. The pros are low in these places. It is easy to get in contact with locals in a club. But it is just a contact. To get her in bed you need some more effort.
- Meeting someone on Kreshatik by speaking to her you can forget! Pravda. This was in the past already difficult and now it even worse. Then you can better go to a Double coffee or so and sit next to a table where one or two girls are sitting and try to get in contact. If you like it younger 18-22, go to Mc Donald or sit in one of the bigger internet café's next to a nice girl and just talk to her.
- If you do not want to be disappointed in what will be at your door after a phone call, go to one of the brothels and pick the one you like. There are several in centre. (Kreshatik, Basseina, Crasnoarmirska). You pay from 800 grivna or so, but you are not in shock if the one on the picture is not showing up.
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Billy Elliot
11-18-09, 20:55
It is a strip club with about 5 or 6 girls in there (Sat night) which is open very late and does take out. The only problem with it is that everytime a girl dances near you they want a 50 gr tip (only £5) but I found it annoying especially when I was ignoring some of them.
If you go in, look at them sitting in the foyer as you go down the stairs on the left entrance and work out which one you want. Then you can take them out the back and bang that one. They do it with protection but seem good.
You can take out the girls too, am not sure from what time but I think the price was 3, 200 gr (about £300) so it is cheaper to bang them out the back.
When you walk down the corridor you turn left, pay your 100 gr to get and and grab a seat. If you want to bang someone in house it is cheap, but if none of the girls take your fancy then head back out. If you want to take a girl home, then RP seems better.
I have walked past this place many times, but never went in. Every time I have wondered what kind of place is that? Can you give more information? Is it a strip club? Is take out of girls possible? The location is great, very close to where I usually stay.
Was at RP on Sunday night, had a great night, when I left the securtiy guard tried to charge me some dodgy fee so I gave him 50 gr and he got lost.
The Royal Palace I was at last night and is very expensive. $100 USD for a 2 song strip dance. Plus the girls want to sit with you and ask you to buy them drinks which are usually about 400 gr per drink (£40 ish), so no chance. Also the girls only do a strip, no more than that so it is a rip off.
There was another place on the main drag (Krazcheck or however it is called) near Arena which is down an alley way with a red sign light up on it and called the Red Lion Art Club. Anyway was 100 gr to get in, then pick a girl straight away (so you don't have to tip stippers) and you can go out the back and bang her for about 800 grn (400 to 800 from memory) for up to an hour.
Stayed at the Rus Hotel and saw girls on the second floor bar looking for business but only about 5 girls there and they were average in looks. The funny guys still hang around reception but that is normal there I think. Next time I will stay in a hotel a bit closer to the city.
Also tried to out Roksolana last night but it all looked like no sign of life there. I even opened up the front door which was open and walked into the building, but I couldn't see any club there. Although there is a sign outside of a girl dancing. Weird. I would recommend calling first just to make sure they are open and confirm exactly where their front entrance is (yes, I did look at their map first), but for about 1, 500 gr you can get a one and a half hour Sultan massage by two girls which looks like good value according to their website.
Any questions let me know, but would stay clear of the Royal Palace Hotel strip club as it is more expensive than London.
At RP the girls were quoting $300 for the night for pretty good sorts, I would say about 8 out of 10 on the looks scale. It was reasonably busy, but still lots of girls. It looks like you need to pick your girl just before 2am as from that point on all the pretty one's started to disappear. Overall was the best "club" type atmopshere for some drinks and to meet some girls. I got Irina's (great legs, little girl brunette) and Valeria's (red head) mobile numbers too if any of you need them. Also, Valeria told me that I could take her to dinner on a night she wasn't working and meet around 6pm, then spend the whole night for $300. Just so prices are a bit more transparent for you guys.
So this Royal palace or Premier palace you pay $100 for two songs? That Is crazy lol, I wouldn't pay that In London! Is this some sort of tourist trap?
Billy Elliot
11-18-09, 21:11
Jojosun, that is a great post mate, was very true...all of it, wish I knew some of that beforehand :)
- Yes, I mean the Premier Palace, it is apparently empty on weekends and only busy during the week after 11pm. It is expensive and being the only guy in a club means every girl wants a dance every 10 seconds and at $100 for 2 songs ur money goes in about a half hour so I would avoid the place;
- The Red Lion Art Club, there were 2 very pretty blonde girls (about 8 out of 10) and about 3 or 4 more 6 out of 10's. Expensive for take out, but eating in you can bang them cheaply. Just make sure you hit them up early on prices as small talk is not their thing.
- The RP was a made up fee by the bouncer as I walked out with 2 girls, was just trying to get some dosh out of me, as I was heading for the taxi rank. I also lost my coat tag and the girls were waiting for me as we were just chatting so I got hassled a tiny bit, nothing physical or intimidating, they just wanted a small "fee" as a tip. I didn't take the girls home, but they were cute I had a tour trip booked for 9am the next morning so take out would have been too tight time for me. I did see some ridiculously hot blonde dancing there but at 2am she was gone, I bet she charged a good amount though, but it seems like 2am is the cut off for the hot one's judging by Sunday night when I was there. I think I got charged 50 gr for checking my coat in so £5. You also need to leave ur camera in a locker but they are free next to the front door. I think the entrance fee was 100 gr but can't remember now.
- Valeria was very fluent in English, very persistent and a red head. She was not bad, but I think if you want someone for a whole night or a meet up on another night you can limit yourself to a $300 spend. The really hot one's you need to be a bit more clever about getting at better rates it seems. Irina was a brunette and very nice, but shorter, she gave me her card and words at a place also called Eden. I had a look at their website and they look like a normal massage place, at least according to the russian guys I was there hanging out with. There was some girl sitting by the door with a massive rack who was smoking hot, I didn't ask her how much but would think $350-450 would be close to the mark.
I see you packed an interesting programme during your weekend.
The Royal Palace, you mean (Premier Palace) in the hotel by the same name.
When I went there in sept, it was empty, and it was a quick drink, and in and out for me.
Rio strip club, is one of the best, and girls can be taken out for $300, when they finish work at 5 am, at least this is, what I was told by one of the girls.
I didn't take up her offer.
Your best discovery, I must say is The Red Lion Art club, this is the sort of establishment, that I was looking for in Kiev, and couldn't find it. Next time.
How were the girls on the looks scale?
Roksolana, is not a club, but a Massage parlour. Just a Kiev apartment, with 3 rooms, and a big bathtub.
It is located in the courtyard, off the main street. You need to key in the code 37 on the main door, and pull the handle down, and walk up to the apartment on the left, I think either on the first, or second floor.
YOu can make an appt, and they arrange for a girl to meet you downstairs.
It is a bit tricky to find, and I had problems finding it first time. So a phone should be at hand.
River Palace. I am not sure about this dodgy fee?
Are you sure, it wasn't for checking your coat in?
I have never been asked to pay any fees, when leaving.
Valeria, seems to be a resident at RP, and can be very persistent. She can be a good guide, since she claims on her card to be a traslator, fluent in 4 or 5 languages. Not a stunner by anymeans, and certainly not worth the $300, she is quoting.
Irina. Now you mentioned (Great Legs), jogged my memory, and I do recall, she has long blond hair and tall. Is she the one.?
The $3oo, quotations, wouldn't be bad, if the girls stay for say a min of 3 to 4 hours. This should compare favourably with hourly rates quoted, by the really attractive ones from agencies and indies on the web sites.
But why waste $300, on just one girls, when you can sample few others?
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Billy Elliot
11-18-09, 21:14
When I was there on Monday night the International Bankers Conference was on...but the girls even openly said to me that the place is very expensive and is really a place for Saudi businessmen.
That is why I had one dance with a very hot girl who spoke no English, then I took off. Once one of the girls asked me to buy her a drink, then I asked her which one and it was the Chivas Regal aged 18 yo scotch and was 400 gr so I saw the warning signs and headed for the door. The entrance fee is also 200 gr to get in!
So this Royal palace or Premier palace you pay $100 for two songs? That Is crazy lol, I wouldn't pay that In London! Is this some sort of tourist trap?
I have walked past this place many times, but never went in. Every time I have wondered what kind of place is that? Can you give more information? Is it a strip club? Is take out of girls possible? The location is great, very close to where I usually stay.If FS is available on site, and with some attractive girls at this club, this has to be one of the best discoveries not just in Kiev, but in many EE cities.
I still thinkl something similar is going on at TIXI OMUt strip club, but due to wasting time with some dates from flirt, I couldn't check it out during my last trip.
Next time.
A sure way of sampling the stunning girls of river palace, at a much lower figure, is the following.
Engage with them in a friendly flirty conversation, and explain to them, that you are not up to it, tonight, because you had a few girls earlier.
Would they mind, giving their phone no for an earlier meeting the following day?.
Ie, happy hour prices?.
You will be pleasantly surprised., like I did.
I used this ploy with great results, with a lot of the high class hookers in london, few years ago, when I was invited by my cousin, who used to put it on expenses.
HunterDave
11-19-09, 02:43
Has bin a while that I visited this site. Somehow got out of my mind.
Due to my work I have bin travelling to Ukraine about 160 times since summer 2002. I counted the stamps in my passports.:) Though the frequency of travelling has reduced the last 2 years I still have chance to travel regular.
I learned a lot about the country, the language, the way of handling business and the way pros and "non-pros" (mostly students) work.
Prices for renting apartments went up the last 5 years and are falling down rapidly the last 6 months. The same counts for the buying prices for apartments, houses, land, food in restaurants and of course women.
Since about a week or two I am visiting this site frequently again! Astonished to see that still many forum members from the past are still here. So "Hi" to all who remember me or with whom I had a drink in one of the Ukraine cities.
Also there are a lot of new members of course. I read back a few months of posts and I was kinda surprised. I contacted Hunter for get a contact detail, but I am still waiting:.)
Here my 2 euro in short about Kiev:
- It is impossible to get a RP girl for $125.
- The price for "I look for sponsor" girls in flirt/mamba or other starts at about 450 grivna up to
- For 450 grivna you not get a beauty!
- You are lucky when you get a beauty starting at 800.
- The most pictures on the pink pages are fake! Especially when the price is lower then 800 grivna per hour.
- Ukraine girls learn a lot about deceases. Many do not suck without. Especially the beauties, who also mostly strangely are higher educated then the ugly ones do not suck without unless there is sympathy during the meeting or the price is extremely good.
- The less beautiful ladies do almost all for money.
- Almost all interesting clubs for foreigners have an amount of prostitutes waiting for meat (Decadence, Tsar, Arena, Patipa, Shooters, Buddah and so on). The chance of picking up a freebee is very low.
- To meet a freebee go to one of those new local pubs or a club more far from centre. For a nice pub in centre go to Lucky-star for instance. For a club I can recommend still Forsage, 112, Caribbean. The pros are low in these places. It is easy to get in contact with locals in a club. But it is just a contact. To get her in bed you need some more effort.
- Meeting someone on Kreshatik by speaking to her you can forget! Pravda. This was in the past already difficult and now it even worse. Then you can better go to a Double coffee or so and sit next to a table where one or two girls are sitting and try to get in contact. If you like it younger 18-22, go to Mc Donald or sit in one of the bigger internet café's next to a nice girl and just talk to her.
- If you do not want to be disappointed in what will be at your door after a phone call, go to one of the brothels and pick the one you like. There are several in centre. (Kreshatik, Basseina, Crasnoarmirska). You pay from 800 grivna or so, but you are not in shock if the one on the picture is not showing up.
[size=-2]EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.Internationalsexguide. Info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information. Just returned yesterday from Kiev. And now just PM'd you the number for the threesome you said you wanted. Let me know how things go with them. Hit RP 3 of 4 nights. Not as crowded but still enough working for a pretty good selection. By the way you can pull for $, it is all in your negotiations. When they cave from $300 to $200 fast. I offer $100, if they like you they will inevitably move to $150 then you try to close the deal by meeting in the middle $125. If they baulk, you still can pull them at $150. If you want her. All in the negotiations. Give it a try.
Hunter
What kind of debating,
Master?
Or even whether "Украина нe бopдел" (FEMEN) or is as the case may be...
. Hit RP 3 of 4 nights. Not as crowded but still enough working for a pretty good selection. By the way you can pull for $, it is all in your negotiations. When they cave from $300 to $200 fast. I offer $100, if they like you they will inevitably move to $150 then you try to close the deal by meeting in the middle $125. If they baulk, you still can pull them at $150. If you want her. All in the negotiations. Give it a try.
Hunter I hit RP few times in my 2 trips there, and got to recognise some of the regulars there.
The $300, price tag there is not written in stone. Let us say, that Rp is a bit like a Super Meat Market, with some different brands, of varying degrees.
Not everyone of the girls is a stunner by any means. I got approached a few times by a couple of girls, who said they would do a threesome for $250, ie $125, each, and I am sure if I showed any interest in their offer and bargained a bit, they would have come down more on their price.
But they were average in looks, and what's the point of doing average girls in Kiev, and in river palace, out of all places?
Yet, during my first trip in sept, there was one of the best stunners, that I have seen anywhere for a long time. A 19 old blond playboy centre fold type of girl, and she knew it, but her first QOUTE was $400 for a few hours. I didn't pursue it further.
I had various first offers of $200 to $500 for (a couple of girls) and I am sure, a lot will depend on negotiations, looks, style, time, etc.
And, don't you like it, when the girls having finished the small talk with you, turn and say, I like to make a proposal to you.
It is a strip club with about 5 or 6 girls in there (Sat night) which is open very late and does take out. The only problem with it is that everytime a girl dances near you they want a 50 gr tip (only £5) but I found it annoying especially when I was ignoring some of them.
If you go in, look at them sitting in the foyer as you go down the stairs on the left entrance and work out which one you want. Then you can take them out the back and bang that one. They do it with protection but seem good.
You can take out the girls too, am not sure from what time but I think the price was 3, 200 gr (about £300) so it is cheaper to bang them out the back.
When you walk down the corridor you turn left, pay your 100 gr to get and and grab a seat. If you want to bang someone in house it is cheap, but if none of the girls take your fancy then head back out. If you want to take a girl home, then RP seems better.Just one question Billy, where have you been changing your money £££ to UAH?
The rate in sept was around 14 grevnas to the £ or 8. 5 to the $.
10 days ago it was between 13 to 13.35, to the £.
So 50 grevnas is about £3.75.
Frankly speaking, if it wasn't for the current favourable exchange rates £and $ to the UAH and cheap airfares from london, I don't think, I would classify Kiev as a reasonable mongering destination.
I hope it is not going the same way as poland. As late as June 09, you could get 5. 10 zloty pln to the £, now it is 4. 50.
This is, all in preparation for poland to join the euro system.
Then we can say goodbye to sex in poland, because prices will shoot up, and 100 zloty be will be quoted as 100 euro.
Some Polish hookers are already asking the golden figure of 100 Euro Ph.
Bez Bezarra
11-19-09, 19:03
But they were average in looks, and what's the point of doing average girls in Kiev, and in river palace, out of all places?
Its bad enough when you lower your standards to do a plain-jane non-pro, but to pay $150-$200 for an average pro tramp?
How do you live with yourself, you simply can't ignore that 9's are walking around all over the place every where you look, and you're groveling like a truck driver over some dumpy troll.
HunterDave
11-19-09, 19:32
I thought this had posted last week but must have been lost in the net This was my third day of my last trip which was in mid-October before the flu situation developed in the Ukraine.
Day 3
Since I had had a good 2 days, I thought I would try and work some of the potential freebies. A 20 year old blonde who had moved to Kiev recently to live with her older sister had talked for weeks about wanting to meet me. She was moving to Kiev for university studies and for a job. She had hoped to meet the day before, but was hesitant, but when I told her I was only in town for a 3 day business trip, next thing I knew she was enroute and showed up at out front of my apartment wearing a leather jacket with black leather pants and these white and black high heel boots that helped accentuate her nice little tush. Since I was playing it slow I took her down the road to TGI Friday's for a drink and a snack. After some chit chat and getting to know her better suggested we head back to my place for some wine and some music. She said ok and after some fooling around took her to the bedroom where I was able to get her naked and just started to suck on her nice be breasts. She was only about 5' 5" on the petite side. This one loved to ride cowgirl and went crazy driving hard on my cock. She gave a pretty good BBBJ and was a bit hesitant when I tried to go deep in missionary, but I showed her I could slowly go deep and she eventually began to thoroughly enjoy it. When I pinned her to the mattress after doggie and really worked in deep she lost it and came and then so did I. Some great lovemaking and we then just lay in bed with her touching me all over. I feigned a sore back and she gave me a light massage. She was with me about 2 and a half hours. I paid her for her cab fare round trip 100 grivna. So another freebie for some cab fare and a drink and snack. Not bad. She is constantly writing me on Mamba and is waiting to see me again. We'll C.
I also was waiting to meet two 19 year olds. The first one was very interested in meeting and then asked if I had a friend and I said no but would meet with both of them. Things got hectic that day so I made up an excuse to pass and they both then said they'd come to see me the next morning. (more on that later).
I had another possible freebie who knew I was leaving the next day who happened to be working near Arena city so she called me and wanted to meet for coffee. She was a hot looking 27 year old brunette (Lyudmila) and we met in the Arena Pub/Restaurant for coffee. I thought I could get away with meeting this one for an hour since an 18 year old law student wanted to come by my place. Things were getting to close, but I said what the hell and went to meet the brunette at Arena City. Juggling my schedule to hunt for freebie strange was too tight (but on a 3 day "business trip") I was trying to pack in as much hunting as possible. What was supposed to be an hour with the brunette turned out to be about 35 minutes. She did not speak English and I did not speak any Russian, so by the time we linked up and began to semi-chat, with the coffee served, my damn phone started ringing and the 18 year old said she was in a cab heading to my place 30 minutes early. Damnit! I did not really give the brunette a decent chance, and with the inability to speak to each other, my interest was waning fast, but she was good looking I sure wish I could speak Russian. I can only imagine how much more strange I could nail. If I keep making trips to Kiev I probably need to learn more the few basic things I know how to say. I finished my coffee and came up with the excuse that a "business associate" had moved up a meeting and dinner and that I was going to have to leave. Not sure if I will see her again due to the language barrier, but I did have that 18 year old waiting out front of my apartment.
I rushed the few blocks to my place, came up with the excuse that I had had to exchange some $$$ for grivna and that she was early, she bought it and we went up to my place. This girl was tall, about 175 cm and had a nice looking body in some tight jeans nice blue eyes. She drank a little water only (didn't drink) and then after some small talk I convinced her we should move to the bedroom, she agreed but first wanted to shower. Then she came to my bedroom and we proceeded to some hot DFK and my present to disrobe (de-towel) her. For an 18 year old she had an impressive body, nice perky be cups, very athletic. She needed some coaching but I was ready to assist. She was at first mechanical on the BBBJ but I worked her head up and down slowly to help her get her rhythm and stroke down. By the end of the BBBJ she was taking me to the hilt. Very nice. She was a light moaner but after I had her in several positions, a few I am sure she had not experienced before, she picked up the tempo and the pleasure moaning. She had never had anyone pin her to the mattress and go deep, but really got into it. When I had her legs up around my ears and gave her the deepest penetration that is when she totally lost it and she loved it when I finally came. I feigned that sore back and she gave me a massage. This girl did not want to leave. she was into the sex and just lying in bed and talking. She said she would stay till 8 PM but I needed to get cleaned up for another freebie meeting at 8 PM. So I told her I needed to get ready for a business dinner. Clearly I was juggling to many women in too short a time period imagine throwing a hot 18 year old out of your bed to go and meet an unknown (pretty dumb) . This day had filled up with no time to maneuver. But definitely made my day exciting juggling strange. After another quick session, the 18 year old got up and went and showered. In emails all she had asked for was a present, but I really did not have anything to give her, so as she was leaving since she did not want any cab fare, I put $50 in a small box and sent her on her way. Not too suave but hey she did want a present. Not sure how she took it when she opened the little box. But if I see her again (probably) I will bring her a nice trinket. So guess I can call that one a freebie or a very inexpensive p4p. I will call it a freebie with present.
I rushed over for my 8 PM and son of a ***** a no show my first. She SMS'd me saying she was enroute, and she would be wearing blah, blah blah, but a no show. And I threw out a horny 18 year old from my bed go figure. Guess the freebie hunt had caught up with me. What was best? A bird in the hand or the unknown probably should have kept the sure bet.
Since I was sitting at the bar at Friday's with a no show, I SMS'd another monger who I was supposed to meet later that night, LMartin, who was in town for business. We had planned to link up and to later head to RP for some team mongering. He came to Friday's early we had a beer and he ate, then I took him to my place to show him how I found the women thru Mamba, plus the data I had compiled on several other websites to include top-models. Com. Ua, escort-models, sexzona, etc I then showed him my apartment set up with the camera location, and then showed him several of my videos from all of my trips. He seemed to enjoy all of the videos and then helped show me how to capture/freeze frame some of the pics I have posted (along with help from my IT guy back home).
We headed to RP about midnight. This was L Martin's cherry RP run. I showed him the ropes and we had a great time comparing our assessments and notes on the many nice things running around on this Monday night I kept telling him to be patient and wait out the women and that eventually they would come. They would circle in, and we could have our pick. He pointed out a few of the blondes I had nailed on previous trips and I told him that in time I would introduce him to this one called Victoria she is a college student making some money on the side. She was wearing this tight body clinging pinkish dress that did not hide anything to one's imagination, I told L Martin that he could have a great time with her, plus she had her own car so no taxi back to his hotel. She finally came close and winked at me we started talking and I immediately introduced her to L Martin. Victoria was a great lay. Nice perky breasts and had a nice little giggle when I had laid her. After the intro L Martin closed the deal with her and they departed. I do not think he was at RP but an hour. He told me he had a great time with her.
I stayed around and passed on many women since I was looking for a certain type. Turned down several threesome offers all very nice but I had this one blonde named Alona, who said for sure she would be at my apartment between 5:30 and 6 AM for a quick session., so I only needed a quick turn on someone that caught my eye there were several candidates and it was just after 1 AM and I knew I needed to choose soon or I would get backed up to Alona at 5:30AM. There was this 5'7" blonde, named Irina (I will call her Irina 2) in some nice tight jeans who continued to smile at me but I did not make a move to her, she finally approached me and started the spiel $300, then $200, I offered $100 she got pissed and left me. But she made a turn around the floor and came back, she said let's work out a deal and leave I knew she was interested so I threw her a bone and offered $125. She again left, but 5 minutes later came back and said ok but that she would only stay till 5 AM. Perfect for me. This girl was sharp, she ordered us a cab, for 30 grivna and we headed back to my place. She did not want any wine we had a great DFK session on my couch, she told me she had not been to RP in over 3 months since she had been in a bad traffic accident and had been unable be with a man that whole time now my interest was peaked. She went and showered and she told me she was into being totally intimate. Since she had not been laid in over 3 months I thought I would make this special for her after more great kissing I gave her a great DATY and she came a few times with her body shaking and quivering I knew I had a live one. She went to town on my dick BBBJ and after she put the condom on. Kept pulling on my cock because she said she just had to have it in her so now I played with her, I held back to make her start begging as I kissed and sucked on her breasts this drove her absolutely nuts and she literally was beginning for my cock. I was loving this so I slowly entered her and she literally came with just my head inside. I worked her nice and slowly. I know she had multiple orgasms because she would shake violently. So I kept going slow then fast then back to slow This drove her nuts I have a great video of our session (but dark pics-but great audio) and in the video she says she came more than 20 times and that I had not come even once. So this girl worked hard to make me come which gave her that much more pleasure. After I finished off inside her. She proceeded to give me a great massage. She was great with her hands all over my body. This one was gooooood . After a great massage she to get me hard again and rode me cowgirl till she tired and said she could not get me off a 2nd time. All in all a great fuck. One I will surely repeat with. Irina (2) called a cab and also gave me the taxi number since she said they have dispatchers that speak some English I will try them out my next trip and report back to ISG. She left me at just before 5 AM.
I called Alona and she said she would be over NLT 6 AM. Like a clock she showed and was a hot blonde, 5'7" with a great rack. I wasn't sure how well I would do in bed after Irina 2, but what the hell this Alona had wanted to meet me so bad so I decided to give her a try. We dispensed with pleasantries and moved straight to the bedroom. I wish I had had some rest before meeting this one. Great CBJ, and since I was still tired I kept her in cowgirl with her doing most of the work. After some time though I decided to roll her over and pound her since she really got my juices going with her moaning and little screams as much as she tried she was unable to get me to come even though I was hard as a rock while it was a very good session, I will see her again because I really want to savor my time with and in her we finally called it quits and she left just before 8 AM. Now I was ready for some sleep. But 45 minutes later my phone went off and the 2 19 year olds from the day before said they wanted to see me and that they were cutting their 9 AM classes and would be at my apartment in 15 minutes. Me being a true mongerer said ok, jumped in the shower and got ready awful damn tired .
True to their word, they called at 9 AM and were in front of my place. I needed some coffee so we headed down the road to find some joe they were cute (I will post a few pics of them) and spoke decent English I was dead tired but thought this might be interesting The taller dirty blonde was hot and had a nice rack. After the coffee we walked down Khreshatik why I do not know. I then talked them into going back to my place they were very close friends even though I was trying to figure out how to maybe separate and conquer but then decided shoot for both we started having a nice time but I ran out of time, my driver was coming to pick me up at 11 AM. I will try to nail these 2 on a follow on trip. They seemed interested hope I can get them to the bedroom we will C. Just when things were getting good my driver showed and they had to leave. Next time!
Three crazy days with lots of future potential I just scratched the surface of my ground work from Mamba plenty more to work I found that working the women online a few weeks in advance of showing up in Kiev pays great dividends some basic ground work and light banter. Blah. Blah blah. Can bring very good results 3 days and 12 women but hardly any sleep.! I will post pics from this trip along with some from trip #2.
Hunter
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HunterDave
11-19-09, 19:40
Some info on the twins.
If you remember of course
Not really blondinkas, light light brown 156 cm, around 45 kg. A cups. Very white skinned? Around 22-25?
Because I've seen a pair on mamba. In Kiev, unfortunately did not catch them. The ultimate of sex.
ITIT,
Thanks. I agree they are bleach blondes, tiny little things, but dress in very tight form fittings dresses. Age is probably 22 ish. I saw them again last Friday the 13th. Very entertaining watching them gyrate on the dance floor. They parked themselves near me at the bar. Light conversation since many guys were in line to buy them drinks and hit hard on them. But yes the ultimate fantasy.
Hunter
HunterDave
11-19-09, 19:47
A little review of members who reports ACCURATELY!
1. Sure doesn't sound like the previous poster, who claimed the apartments were definitely the place to always find young new student hotties in from the provinces.
Sounds much more like the REAL Kiev, where you have to go to 15 places to find one acceptable wh0re, that turns out NOT to be 18 or 19, but mid-twenties with fake boobs, aka MILF.
2. So, JoJo.
Exactly how are you saying that you turned down the incredible Inna on your arrival night, after the fantastic reports of Hunter, and chose to go to bed without fucking her for many hours at Hunter's discount price of $60 dollars?
How can this be possible?
Hunter fucks at least 3 girls on his arrival night, all at super low prices, and you had NONE?
Hunter had no problem bargaining Inna down to $60 for at least 4 hours.
Are you actually claiming that she didn't agree to that with you?Bez,
Actually if you look at my post on Inna she only stayed a few hours with me, not 4. And I did not give a price for her. It was not the $60 as you stated. The $60 price was for the threesome (blonde and brunette, $60 [500 grivna] a piece) my first night. Inna for the few hours cost $150 for those hours. But overall a very nice lay. I will post some pics of her today.
Hunter
HunterDave
11-19-09, 20:07
Could you give your trick to do that?
From what I know, one can no more cutn paste (to then translate) on mamba's discussion/message windows.Prosal,
I start chatting it up with many of the women a few weeks before my arrival I Kiev on mamba (as several of us have stated mamba and flirt are the same).
When I find one that wants to talk in Russian which I speak zero, I open a few google web browsers. Click on the language translator. Set one browser up for Russian to english translation and the other english to Russian. I have a standard schtick set of comments/questions (always end in a question to them to get a return response) I feed to them all. With variations depending on where I want to lead them. In the end, even most of them that say they are not initially interested. Eventually will give you a number to call them when you get to Kiev. (and get pissed when you haven't called them).
In most cases I answer back only in english after I figure out what she is asking, but sometimes they give you that crap that they do not understand the english only so I paste a response in both languages. Always let them know your answer in english.
Having said all this and based on my recent trips to Kiev and my attempt to pull some freebies. Meeting with a Russian only speaking girl is purely a waste of time unless she is so drop dead gorgeous that you have to see her, have to get in her pants and are willing to sit there and get her drunk before you can take her back to your place. I guess what I am saying is she really worth the time and effort with the language barrier unless you just like spending money on women. Believe me there are enough women that want to meet with you who speak at least a little english. If not it can be a big waste of your time. After this past trip. I plan on passing on non-engllish speaking women because my time in Kiev is not to socialize but to chase some women that understand what you are after and semi-understand you. Again my thoughts after these last 4 trips this year. Hope this helps.
Hunter
HunterDave
11-19-09, 20:45
Basically hinter is living in a fantasy world, simple as that, no way is he doing them birds at them prices and the amount he is doing, no way. Hes a walter mitty in my opinion.Dice,
Glad you are reading my posts. Too bad you think they are fiction. Not sure what I can do but post and show more pics. And offer to meet with other mongerers. Oh, wait I have already done that many times.
I have met a few other mongerers in Kiev recently, LMartin a few weeks ago in October (I think he corroborated in a post saying he saw some pics and video and my mamba routine, but hey maybe he is not telling the truth also) and last Saturday linked up with VitoriaBitter (VB) for some RP hunting. Both made it to my place. Showed some pics of the girls. LMartin helped me with the freeze frame on my videos. Some of those pics have been posted, others to follow. Plus saw some of the fotos I started to take of the girls. I showed VB the many videos on my computer but he actually did not care to see any of them. Both saw camera placement, etc. I walked LMArtin thru how to get his best price. To hold back and to let them come to him at RP. Introduced him to Victoria and told him if he wanted her to not go any higher than $150 and he was successful. VB can also corroborate costs from this last Saturday night. I was there when he negotiated with his little brunette and he was there when I pulled my dirty blonde for $150.
I really do not care if you if you believe or not. You can stay in your own world. I will stay in my (as you call it) fantasy world. Very nice but my reality.
I do offer to any and all mongerers my thoughts and inputs and lessons learned from my limited Kiev experiences. All they have to do is just PM me. And any doubting Thomas can just pass on my posts since they clearly must have a better way of chasing and mongering in Kiev. If you have a better game plan I would hope that you would post those ideas so we all can learn from your experience. I will be posting soon my last trip this past weekend during the "epidemy" please save yourself some time and pass on my posts.
Hunter
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HunterDave
11-19-09, 21:03
Hi hunter.
I am a member of both mamba and flirt, and as you know, you have to state on your profile, what are you looking for ie, sex, love and friendship, marriage, other.
As a matter of interest, what category from the above, did you put on your proflie, to get those sex freebies?
I put on my proflie, that I am looking for sex only, and when I make contact, they respond by stating, that they are looking for a sponsor, ie money. And from here the negotiations start.
But I did get many replies, from generationsoflove, which is an offshoot, of the above, which are clearly dating proposals, mainly from russia, something I am not interested in.
So may be I should change something on my profile?Jojo,
I checked friendship, love, sex and other. They all seem to understand. The real secret is striking up a conversation. Get them to talk about themselves. Gain their trust and confidence in you. Let's face it while some may be only looking for a husband and meaningful relationship. They all want sex in some form or fashion. They also know what you want. They know ultimately you want sex. But don't press it. As they get to know you better. Push for that face to face meeting to really get to know each other. Internet conversations are good, but in person tell her you want to see if there is any chemistry. Blah, blah.
A valuable lesson to know. Not sure if I read it here or just heard it. All women know you want pussy and sex. What you need to convince her is that while there is so much pussy out there. You are only interested in getting into her pants. And her pants only. Then you are home. Hope this hleps.
Hunter
HunterDave
11-19-09, 21:17
Not to keep knocking him but I thought the girls he posted in the photo section were just average for Kyiv.
I still can't get over (believe) the girls at RP throwing themselves at him (sure, some of the minor league skanks (no relation to the doctor) do that, but it's not the norm. And the perfectly smooth hook ups with ho's from mamba/flirt, that just doesn't happen (most of the time).Cruiser,
If those pics are average then Kiev is even better than advertised. Clearly it makes mongerering that much easier for all
. Oh and yes, the RP women do approach you if you sit back and ignore them. Just smile and wink and they wil come. It's the idiots that feel they need to chase pussy in a place where all the pussy is for sale that ruin it for us all. If they did not think they were wanted, the fucking prices would be even lower. If you stand there and reject a few nice ones. Then others will step up and take their shot (one has to remind oneself to think only with your big head). However if she is not added to my mental short list as a possible then I pass on her also. If you just sit back and wait they will come. And you are the one that is impowered, you have the advantage and the upper hand when negotiating. For that low $$ figure. If you chase the girl. She has the advantage. Negotiations are all about who has control. When you chase the girl she will try to command as much as she can. If she comes to you and you are interested they will just about do just about all that you ask of them. If you are to far apart in costing, and services and time in the sack. Then pass. Another will come by. Many are intrigued by the fact that you have passed on several others. It is just a pussy game. All mongerers need to take control. Maybe then we can all get lower pricing.
Oh and yes. If you work the mamba scene right. You do not even have to visit RP. But I love to haggle and negotiate.
Hunter
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HunterDave
11-19-09, 21:19
Hey HD,
Leaving for my favorite city again next week and are in contact with Inna as well. Still hoping you would post some pictures as promised below.
Maybe you did but i can not find them.
Also a question for the one and only Bez.
How can i get in touch with Irina for the beautiful Irina returns pictures?
Loved the posts gentleman!
Thanks,
T.T,
I will post Inna pics shortly. Let me know if you need her digits.
Hunter
HunterDave
11-19-09, 21:24
Was at RP on Sunday night, had a great night, when I left the securtiy guard tried to charge me some dodgy fee so I gave him 50 gr and he got lost.
The Royal Palace I was at last night and is very expensive. $100 USD for a 2 song strip dance. Plus the girls want to sit with you and ask you to buy them drinks which are usually about 400 gr per drink (£40 ish), so no chance. Also the girls only do a strip, no more than that so it is a rip off.
There was another place on the main drag (Krazcheck or however it is called) near Arena which is down an alley way with a red sign light up on it and called the Red Lion Art Club. Anyway was 100 gr to get in, then pick a girl straight away (so you don't have to tip stippers) and you can go out the back and bang her for about 800 grn (400 to 800 from memory) for up to an hour.
Stayed at the Rus Hotel and saw girls on the second floor bar looking for business but only about 5 girls there and they were average in looks. The funny guys still hang around reception but that is normal there I think. Next time I will stay in a hotel a bit closer to the city.
Also tried to out Roksolana last night but it all looked like no sign of life there. I even opened up the front door which was open and walked into the building, but I couldn't see any club there. Although there is a sign outside of a girl dancing. Weird. I would recommend calling first just to make sure they are open and confirm exactly where their front entrance is (yes, I did look at their map first), but for about 1, 500 gr you can get a one and a half hour Sultan massage by two girls which looks like good value according to their website.
Any questions let me know, but would stay clear of the Royal Palace Hotel strip club as it is more expensive than London.
At RP the girls were quoting $300 for the night for pretty good sorts, I would say about 8 out of 10 on the looks scale. It was reasonably busy, but still lots of girls. It looks like you need to pick your girl just before 2am as from that point on all the pretty one's started to disappear. Overall was the best "club" type atmopshere for some drinks and to meet some girls. I got Irina's (great legs, little girl brunette) and Valeria's (red head) mobile numbers too if any of you need them. Also, Valeria told me that I could take her to dinner on a night she wasn't working and meet around 6pm, then spend the whole night for $300. Just so prices are a bit more transparent for you guys.Billy,
I was at RP also Sunday night. Wish we could have met. Maybe next time. I agree the crowd good, but was less than Saturday and Friday nights, but still good pickings. I had a few in mind. But eventually decided on a return engagement with my Saturday dirty blonde (Luda) since she kept hanging around near me and smiling. A great repeat lay for the night. I agree that you need to pull by 2 AM or surely no later than 2:30.
Hunter
HunterDave
11-19-09, 21:53
Looks like all mongers need to hire Hunter to be their RP wingman/ price negotiator, (like Bill Shatner!), since he is the obvious Tsar of the Pussy Palace.
Also, ranking a greedy RP professional prostitute with a score of 8, that processes you like a piece of meat with a wallet, is just not the same as a romance with a horny office secretary.
Oh wait, I forgot that Hunter proved that every RP pro and agency escort pro is even more GFE than non-pro students.Bez,
Yeh I like Star Trek too. I have been with a few others mogerers to RP and have advised them on costs at RP. As I did here last night to Ismael in post #5795. $125 is possible. If you can negotiate. If not you are doomed to higher prices.
Hunter
Billy Elliot
11-19-09, 22:04
Good spot, I was just using very rough numbers, but it was 13.5 to 1 GBP on the weekend.
Just one question Billy, where have you been changing your money £££ to UAH?
The rate in sept was around 14 grevnas to the £ or 8. 5 to the $.
10 days ago it was between 13 to 13.35, to the £.
So 50 grevnas is about £3.75.
Frankly speaking, if it wasn't for the current favourable exchange rates £and $ to the UAH and cheap airfares from london, I don't think, I would classify Kiev as a reasonable mongering destination.
I hope it is not going the same way as poland. As late as June 09, you could get 5. 10 zloty pln to the £, now it is 4. 50.
This is, all in preparation for poland to join the euro system.
Then we can say goodbye to sex in poland, because prices will shoot up, and 100 zloty be will be quoted as 100 euro.
Some Polish hookers are already asking the golden figure of 100 Euro Ph.
Member #4491
11-20-09, 01:21
I also had a hard time to translate (mark and copy) from the Flirt chat windows recently, but if you view the source code of the page you can cut the Cyrillic words from there.
Takes some scrolling but the funny letters tend to stand out amongst the code.
Barba
I also had a hard time to translate (mark and copy) from the Flirt chat windows recently, but if you view the source code of the page you can cut the Cyrillic words from there.
Takes some scrolling but the funny letters tend to stand out amongst the code.
BarbaYes you are right, under Firefox you have to click on the message window and select with your right mouse key "View Frame Source". It works.
I noticed also that after a certain number of messages exchanged with a user, suddenly all messages can be selected directly with the mouse.
I am heavily using mamba.ru and brought me many good experiences with youg women in Kiev.
Bez Bezarra
11-20-09, 23:11
hunter,
maybe you just wanna get your status hiked up?
I just can't get my head around all the action you been involved in, freebies.
Status is NOT his motive.
He began by explaining why he posts, that he's ONLY interested in "helping others not make the same mistakes that he made". You know, the king of modesty and humility, the Patron saint of ISG.
Only problem with that, every experience he has is a fantasy come true. Hard to learn from his mistakes, when he has none, you know, 13 awesome GFE's in 2 days, nutting 8 times in 3 hours and she was begging for more.
And you got it wrong he got freebies.
Every internet date was either an agency escort or a non-agency p4p fishing for cash tricks. He paid them all. Of course, that didn't stop them from all being ultimate GFE of a lifetime performers. :p
Vitoriabitter
11-21-09, 14:44
To settle this matter, I met with Hunter on Saturday night in Kiev.
Hunter - great guy, he was loving the Kiev Kandy Shop (KKS) of hot and available talent. We had alot of debate about freebies & P4P. I admired how much awesome sex he was getting and how he was geting it (I want to see the vdeos one day). As I said, he is a great guy. I might try the same over Xmas/new year
My experience - I was jet lagged as hell, I was in Kiev for 24 hours and was totally struggling with the time change from Australia and Korea. I was a grumpy bastard, everything seems to take so long there (immigration, hotel check-in, etc)
Ukraine - the women there were incredible, it was like being i Prague 1995. I had a GF from Odessa in London for 5 years, incredible sex, true Bond-type girl, oh I should have married her, another debate anothr time!
Kiev - I certainly got a sore neck from being dazzled by the the sheer amount of stunning women, they were all approachable and alot of fun. I was active in getting about opening 15 girls and getting their contacts in retaurants, bars and shops for future meetings - food was good, Intercontinental hotel awesome!
Hunter - I met and went with hunter to RP on Saturday night, not a bad place...but I was trully knackered and a bit impatient, overall RP is ok, I went for a girl far too young and not much fun. Hunter found a nympho that was 8/10 in looks and 11/10 in action. Personally for me, I would have preferred to have gone to a normal disco, checked that out....cest la vie
Next Hunter meeting - I want to take Hunter to germany for some FKK experience, he wll love it.
My suggestion - rather than debating the motives of everyone here, take on board the recommendations and go and enjoy the fruits of life. I certainly wish I could spend a year i Kiev, it would be better than heaven.
Downside note - taxi's in Kiev are totally crap. In Romania/CZ/PL they try to fool with you...e.g. 10 mins in bucharest is like €5 and not so much of an isue...in kiev its like $20-40 after you haggle, which is just a waste of time and money to negotiate and still get ripped off.
Airport transfer - I ended up getting a bus from the airport and navigating the metro (3 stops) to the hotel, was about 70 minutes and $2.10....intercontinental wanted €80 for taxi (45 min), the taxis at the airport were quoting $100+ (45 mins).
5 december Kiev next trip - I have rebooked to go there 5 december, it will be cold, but I believe there will be plenty of great hot pussy to make my bed warm all day long.
Finally - thanks Hunter for a fun night will stay in touch.
[QUOTE=Diceman]Hey hunter,
I think your ready for your own tv show, as some sort of guru/agony aunt type thing, you going great guns here and all the new guys really looking up to you and all your advise and wisdom. Or maybe you just wanna get your posts hiked up to say skank status or bez?
[QUOTE=Vitoriabitter]Downside note. Taxi's in Kiev are totally crap. In Romania/CZ/PL they try to fool with you. E. G. 10 mins in bucharest is like €5 and not so much of an isue. In Kiev its like $20-40 after you haggle, which is just a waste of time and money to negotiate and still get ripped off.
Airport transfer. I ended up getting a bus from the airport and navigating the metro (3 stops) to the hotel, was about 70 minutes and $2. 10. Intercontinental wanted €80 for taxi (45 min), the taxis at the airport were quoting $100+ (45 mins).
[QUOTE=Diceman]Hey hunter,
Kiev Taxis. Best way, is to phone, or get your hotel to phone for you, one of the official radio taxis.
In my case it was (BOCC TAXI), they do have some dispatchers, who speak a bit of english.
YOU simply state your destination, and they would give you a QUOTE, and this is the amount you pay to the driver, when you get to your destination.
I always pay on top, the %10 tip. TAXi fares within the city, are never more than 30 grvnas, during the day, and not more than 40 uah, night time.
You can book a taxi, on a multi stops basis, with waiting time in between.
THE same rule above applies, but waiting time is. 50 kopeck, ie half grevnas, per minute, which is peanuts.
TO give you an example, I booked a taxi through the above co above, and went on a tour to St Sophia Cathedral, Lavra caves and other sights, on a day trip, which lasted nearly 4 hours, with waiting, and the total fare came to 176 grevnas. I gave the driver 200 grevnas, and he was very pleased.
AIRport transfer. The sharks there, will quote you 200 to 180, to get you to your hotel.
FRom the centre to the airport, it should be 130.
I got picked up from the airport, by my usual taxi driver, and it was 130, but I always end up paying him 150 grevnas.
Night time taxis. It is imperative, that you sort out, your mode of transport, otherwise, you will be the mercy of cowboys hanging around the usual tourist places.
AS for freebies in clubs and bars and on Kreschatick, I am sur e every monger, who is reasonably young and good looking, with some style, can pick up girls and score. And not just in Kiev.
BUt the QUESTION is, if most of Kiev mogerers are on limited time, and in the age group, say mid thirties, to mid and late forties, how on earth are they going to pull down the knickers of every smoking hot young girls in their late teens and twenties, on the first meeting, and within the first couple of hours of making face to face contact?
And. Without spending a fortune in bars and restaurants and gifts?
HunterDave
11-21-09, 17:32
Hey hunter,
I think your ready for your own tv show, as some sort of guru/agony aunt type thing, you going great guns here and all the new guys really looking up to you and all your advise and wisdom. Or maybe you just wanna get your posts hiked up to say skank status or bez? They are hard acts to follow and are legends here, guys who can prove what they have done, I think you need to get a grip on reality here and go back to the drawing board and have a re-think, did you say you were sort of mid 40s or am I thinking of someone else? Because I just can't get my head around all the action you been involved in, freebies, the works, now I know how things work in Kiev, and it don't sound right how you been putting it all, and I don't care if its been corroborated, the photos you have shown on here are not good quality and the girls average at best. And rp girls just don't come on like that, never have and never will. Next time I come Kiev next year I want to hook up with you and see how you work this, and if I'm wrong, I'll post on here and I'll show my arse daytime in Kreshatik, I promise.Dice,
Not looking for a TV show. Not looking to be compared to some of the guys who have been here for years and helped pioneer the mongering effort here in the Ukraine. I may be new to this forum and to mongering in Kiev but am sure not new to mongering in many other places.
If my posts don't agree with you then recommend you pass on them if you disagree with my comments and recommendations to mongering in Kiev then tell us all how to do it better. My intent is to pass on my lessons or findings from my trips. Other mongerers who read this forum are looking for recommendations or hints at how to get around and hunt as much pussy as they can in a short period of time. How best to get from the airport and back. Where to stay. Hotel or apartment. Places to eat. Places to go mongering etc.
In my few trips I have been able to show how I get to and from the airport. Using kievrentals.com(I am sure there are many others-in fact I have another recommendation but have yet to try them out). What I like about where I have stayed is that it is centrally located easy access to restaurants (near Friday's, El Patio [Italian], Arena City beerhouse/café, Japanese/thai in Madarin Plaza, Double Coffee café, Buddha Bar, numerous massage salons, numerous locations to convert currency, close in to Arena City club, Avalon, other big hotels, etc.
Plus as a non-speaking Russian, I seem to be able to get around fine and the area appears to be very safe. This info is recent and hopefully is helping the many newbies(to Kiev) who have asked for info. I have also found a taxi company that has a few english dispatchers to keep fares low. I got a fare to and from RP for 30 grivna (one way each) [PM me for the info] plus have now found another driver who speaks some English but is more than happy to pick up and deliver during evening hours for 35-40 grivna in the city. All this info should help other mongerers. If you have better info please post so we can all conserve out $$$ for the women mongering.
With regard to your recommending I go back to the drawing board. I don't need to do that, however I am always wanting to improve my mousetrap. To improve on my mongering but my successes in Kiev to date have been outstanding (I will post my mid November trip shortly-please pass if you must). And could easily be much better if I spoke Russian. But when I get to Kiev I actually have to many women lined up so I have to feign excuses for business meetings to cancel or delay a meeting. If the women I am posting on the gallery are just average. Then fine with me. Because everytime I turn one down I know there is another one just waiting for a man's attention and hopefully sex! If the fotos I am posting are average why don't you post some of your successes? I do not push the pics with the women, just try to get a video in the sack with them these are for me but if I do meet any mongerers they are all more than welcome to view them. I have always offered to any mongerer in Kiev to meet with me and to hunt together. So I welcome your offer as I have with a few others my last 2 trips. I am always willing to learn from other mongerers approaches. But if you think these women are just average then every mongerer on this ISG needs to move to Kiev while I have chased pussy throughout the world I consider Kiev to have the most available and very good looking tang ready for sex at this time. If conditions change I am sure it will need to be reassessed. But for me I have been in Kiev 3 times in the last 2 months because I do consider it a "target rich environment. " I will let you know when I plan my next trip, probably not till after the new year but look forward to mongering with you but get your rest before, because I tend to burn it hard both ways when I am in Kiev not much rest.
Oh and you are incorrect about the women at RP. I love to mess with their heads. Every mongerer has his own technique, but if you just sit back and observe they will come some you clearly would not want but many with just a smile and a wink will come closer and strike up a conversation. Then you are in control. Act like you are not interested and they become even more interested if she is one you want to take with you then negotiate but negotiate from a position of strength. If you are the chaser she knows and holds firm. This is basic mongering 101, and all those idiots that chase the women in RP are just idiots. How a mongerer dresses is also important. I always wear a sports coat, nice jeans and loafers. Look like money, but not too obvious or overwhelming. When they think you are there for business they think you have money I tell them I do not pay what they are offering and pass they cannot stand it so they start bargaining. It is really very simple. In my 4 trips to Kiev I try to hit RP 2 to 3 times each trip because I enjoy the scenery, but relish the women pursuing me, and the bartering that is the where the mongering skills kick in. See you in Kiev.
Hunter
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AColonizer
11-21-09, 18:25
Hunterdave's reports are important because they confirm average price for a night (10 hours) is between 100 and 150 dollars. Therefore everybody can pay that average price to fuck a nice girl for all night: no more than 150$ for 10 hours! I repeat: no more than 150$ for 10 hours!
Somebody wrote HunterDave looks for a 11/10 action on bed but I want to remind the only above-10 human sexual action is the karolesky miniet (with facial and/or swallow), all the rest is ordinary fuck, anal sex included.
HunterDave
11-21-09, 19:37
November in Kiev
Just finished a trip to Kiev this past week. Despite the colder weather and the final stages of the "flu epidemic" it was a good mongering trip, less numbers probably due to the weather and "grip" as they call it, but for me it was business as usual. While some question my posts here on ISG that is their call I hope they pass on reading my reports (DTs please pass). Plus eagerly await their reports. While I have only been to Kiev 4 times since June I do have the recency and the latest knowledge on how the Kiev scene is currently. If I did not think the p4p and potential freebies were there I would not be going back as many times. 3 times in the last 2 months. I only go to Kiev for the women I let them think I am there for business, but that gives me the excuse to rearrange meeting times and to beg off when I have two conflicting "dates" or meetings.
Landed and was picked up by kievrental.com(my latest research indicates they be on the high end for transport round trip-$40 each way but I do feel comfortable with them as pick up. I did hear that some are getting picked up for 250 grivna (about $30). In fact some of the women told me they can get a taxi for as low as 116 to 130 grivna. Pretty good deal if you can swing that. But since Kiev rental takes me to my specific apartment $40 is ok but one of these days I may try the other taxi/transport services.. In fact I linked up with VB on this trip (more later on that) but he caught the bus from the airport then transferred to the metro a few stops to his hotel. I think he said he paid 25 grivna for the bus ride. I stayed on Khreshatik again. Arrived at the apartment started calling. Having my local cell number worked out best. I needed to add some grivna later to the phone but already had many of my "possibles" phone numbers already entered to start calling. (My driver told me later when he was taking me back to the airport the fact that if you buy the 35 grivna life card that you can get a bonus of 35 grivna added to your phone for free. Not bad you are eligible for this once a month he told me. I will try it out next time. If someone goes soon they can confirm this another reason I recommend using the pickup service for kievrental is that Alex speaks very good English. And is very helpful. I can pass his email to any mongerer who wants to go via direct. My pickup this time was not Alex so that is why I did not know about the 35 grivna Life card.
I called a girl whom I had been communicating with on Mamba and she had quoted $65 for an hour so to get the ball rolling I called her and she came at 4 PM, looked like her foto. Very nice, but also a very nice body. Gave her some red wine, had some ipod music going and sent her off to the shower to clean up. Very nice and a good moaner. A perfect #1 to start off the trip The girl I talked with on the phone spoke decent English, this girl hardly none. So clearly an agency, but for $65 bucks it was good.
I had reported the previous trip on my first threesome in Kiev (blonde and a brunette) and mamba'd them that I was coming back and wanted a 1000 grivna repeat. They showed on time, 7 PM and were again dressed to kill, especially the brunette. Nice. Exchanged pleasantries, blah, blah, blah, then each took a turn to shower. Brunette gave a killer blow job, and then proceeded to do cowgirl really getting worked up while the blonde kissed and sucked plus let me play with her breasts and pussy. Jumped on the brunette missionary then rolled her over for doggie and modified she was really worked up and again I could tell because her body really heats up nicely to near perspiration. The blonde then wanted her turn so we went from cowgirl to missionary to legs up around my ears riding her deep, rolled her over into doggie and modified but pissed her off since I would not finish so that I could ride the brunette one more time. Pushed the blonde out of the way and proceeded to mount the brunette again. She really began to moan with me on top but when I got her in doggie and finally modified she really lost it and I finally finished deep inside her from modified. Her breathing was heavy and she just lay their. While I gave all my attention to the brunette the blonde started to look around and then the stuff hit the fan she noticed the camera and grabbed it and wanted to know what the fuck. She wanted to see what was on the camera, which I said nothing but she got real pissed. So I grabbed a spare memory card I had in the camera bag, feigned I do not know what she was talking about and she wanted to see the memory card on the computer thank god the cameras has to be connected to the computer to run anything on it I was able to switch the memory card before I connected the camera, and it showed no memory or blank. The blonde was still pissed but over about a 15 minute period finally calmed down enough for me to get them out of there. Lesson from this was hide the camera better or just leave it out in the open period. The video even with candles was still abit dark, but she was concerned her picture would be out on the internet tomorrow. I do not do that and any foto I will post here on ISG will have their face partially covered. I can PM a number for any one interested in meeting with them, but telling them Dave referred you might not be the best thing for awhile. If nothing else I can try to provide the mamba link to Victoria and you can spin them up yourself.
After they finally left I got cleaned up and decided to call another mamba contact, Vika, a blue-eyed 23 year brunette student studying to be a lawyer. Nice foto and she wanted to come over asap. She showed up on time and we talked, blah, blah, blah, had great looking body in nice black leather pants. Great ass. Gave her some wine and after showering, took her to the bedroom. She liked every position, was a great moaner and I made her really work hard to get me off in the end she worked so hard in cowgirl and got me off but this one was working hard and long. But was very satisfied when I finally came. I really made her work for her money,. But she did enjoy the ride. After the bedroom session she cleaned up and we sat in the living room had some more wine and just talked. She enjoyed the session enough to say she wanted me to give the same experience to her best friend Tanya, whom she said was also a brunette with killer (as she said #4 tits). I tried to reach her later in the trip, but she was not available so we agreed on a raincheck (I have not seen this Tanya but if a fellow mongerer wants to go for it I can PM the digits). Not bad one friend pimping for another friend she left just before midnight. I got cleaned up before I headed to RP.
RP was pretty busy for a Friday night, but I guess the "grip" flu epidemy as they called it was probably keeping some potential foreign traveler clients away and some of the talent. I have seen it much busier. But it could also have been the weather I set up at the bar and had my local Ukrainian beer. Just sat back to observe the scenery and waited for the women to start making their moves moving in closer I just smile and wink if I like one. Guess it is like a prey and sharks moving in for the. Turned down several of the same threesome offers several offered$300 for the pair, but one pair did come down to $250, but I told them I was tired, complimented them for the gracious offer, but that I I was not sure if I could handle them both (trying to keep their spirits up). I kept narrowing the field looking to see which girl I'd like to nail that night. I saw several blondes I was interested in. But again I was not in any rush to pursue in conversation while I was at the bar the same 2 bleach blonde identical twins from my last trip posted themselves next to me at the bar. We talked some small talk, lit their cigarettes for them but really feigned interest. But again very enjoyable to watch them gyrate on the dance floor and play as many men as possible to buy them drinks. A show in itself while I was narrowing down the field up I front of me pops Irina (#2) who I met last trip, (the one who had not had a man in months the last time I nailed her). She was happy to see me and kept hinting she was interested. She looked hot, so I finally agreed and took her back to my place again this one is great to talk to. She has a daughter so she needs to work to make some $$$ to get by She is a great lay I had her moaning and screaming and again this one had multiple orgasms, she worked hard to get me off, which was pissing her off. When I was doing her doggie real deep, she literally had to have me pull out, while she curled up I a fetal position with her body convulsing, another first for me. When she calmed down, I went back to doggie and finally finished with her in modified doggie. This one is so appreciative, that she again gave me a great massage after the great sex which slowly gets you ready to go to bed she went a showered and left just before 7 AM. Several hours of great sex and a great massage.
Hunter
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HunterDave
11-21-09, 19:42
day 2 happenings
i slept till almost noon, cleaned up and had to head to tgi friday's to meet another mamba 20 year old student who said she really wanted to meet. had a drink and enjoyed her company, she had beautiful long blonde hair and blue eyes. very friendly but can tell this one would take a lot of work. and my mongerer clock was ticking so after an hour and a half i came up with the excuse for an impromptu business meeting
i had another blonde who lived in a town about 100+ kms away who was dying to meet me. so she said she would jump in a cab to come and meet me around 7 pm. i had about 3 hours to kill and i had gotten the number for this real hot blonde on mamba so i called her. she said she would meet but that i would have to come to her. i have never done this before, always had them come to me and after reading other accounts on isg almost declined but her place was very near me and she seemed fine on the phone, plus i did like her mamba foto. so i took a chance and headed to her place. the area was well lit and appeared to be ok. i went to the door and a tall blue-eyed blonde wearing a red and black teddy greeted me very hot and clearly the girl in the mamba fotos. i still entered cautiously ready to bolt if needed. i did not have id and only the $100 for her plus about 800 grivna. just my luck. the blonde had me shower and then asked if i would like to make it a threesome i said it all depends. so as i showered she had her roommate get ready and they met me in their kitchen. the roommate was abit heavier than i like but had a very big rack and had beautiful blue eyes with long brown hair. she was offered for 600 grivna and i said no then 500 grivna i said no again then 400 grivna then i did the math and said not bad for a little less than $150 another threesome. so i said what the hell. the blonde then asked if i wanted classic or a little s&m thrown in, but i declined and stayed with classic. i think the blonde was hoping for the s&m all in all a very session and well worth the money. they were good about the session, not clock watching after i showered they prepared a cup of coffee which we enjoyed talking at their kitchen table. not bad.
i headed back to my place to await the 7 pm inbound blonde. missed a call from fellow mongerer vb but finally connected and we set a time to meet and to go to rp together that night.
the out of town blonde finally showed a little after 7 pm. shehad long blonde hair but too much make-up for me. it was the girl on mamba but a bit too much painted face for me. we went to an italian restaurant just off khreshatik nice restaurant, good food and service, and then back to my place she had a nice body and loved the sex. the whole time i sat opposite her in the restaurant i pretty much stared at her breasts which had to be easily c+'s and her dress had those small buttons down the front and she had them open to where i was waiting for one or both of them to fall out at dinner. but this was one of those girls that could not pass up a mirror, in the restaurant there were a lot mirrors and she seemed to want to stop at each one, plus must have hit the wc at least 4 times while at that restaurant. thank goodness my place had one of those full length mirrors as part of the wardrobe closet so when i nailed her in doggie i was sure she could look at herself while i hammered her from the rear. kind of poetic. after i was done i made sure she knew i had to get ready to link up with a fellow business associate(mongerer vb) that night so i quickly escorted her out. a semi-freebie since i did have to go with and pay for dinner sometimes it may be easier on a short trip to just p4p to keep the transactions quick and seamless. but the hunt for freebies is instinctual.
linked up with vb on khreshatik around midnight and we headed to rp. saturday night at rp was only so-so, the crowd eventually showed but friday seemed to have been better overall plus the selection. however we did have great time tag teaming many of the girls. turned down several foursome offers, not our types however we did get pretty damn close to two very nice blondes, one in a tiny little green dress (not much material), a hot little dancer who seemed ready to attack vb in rp i was into the other blonde in jeans. they started with a $600 offer, then to 500, then 400, then to $350, but our final offer was $300 for the pair, would have been a great foursome. they seemed game but decided $350 was still the max and they appeared to not want to budge. since we had just gotten there kind of figured there was plenty of more hunting to be had. so we passed but a foursome with chances to nail the both of them probably should have been seriously considered. maybe if it had been later in the night oh well.
we both got plenty of single offers but kept looking. vb works the room very deliberately i normally just sit back and wait for the tang to come to me both approaches work so we kind of tried both approaches that night. in most cases that night everytime a hot body showed up in a tight little dress or jeans the face did not match the hot body or vice versa. we were at rp maybe total of 2 hours vb kept eyeing this cute little brunette near the back bar and i began talking to this hot little light brown/with blonde streaks and each of us negotiated a $150 price. the girls actually met as we headed to the taxi out front. (lesson learned here-but later). we went back to my place for some wine. wasn't sure how we were going to pull it off but vb and i had plans for a possible foursome. after some wine my girl wanted to head to the shower and my bedroom. first. we had a great couple of sessions she liked the candles i had in the room, a bit of romance nice touch. this one started out wanting to get me to finish fast, but no way, but by the time she got into it she didn't want to do anything else but to keep on fucking. she would let out these nice little moans then when i pounded her she went into that yes, yes, yes then when she lost it i had her into the da, da, da, world she gave a good professional bj but this one liked all positions and actually loved it when i pinned her to the mattress in modified doggie overall a very good first session then we could hear some commotion out in the living room so we both cracked the bedroom door open and vb's brunette was getting ready to leave. i then got partially dressed to go and see what the hell was going on guess vb had been nailing the brunette on the couch and she kind of went frigid turns out she was only 19 years old and very tight and a bit naïve about the situation. there went the possible foursome. damnit.
after she left i told vb i was going back for another round. my girl was just sitting in the bed curled up naked so i asked her if she was ok. she said she was fine so i said how about another round. she said yes, but she was out of condoms seems we had gone thru hers so i offered up my own. anything for the team again another great fuck session and again the moaning and da, da, da this one was a great lay and clearly one for a future meeting after i came we just lay there and tell you the truth i do not think she wanted to leave, but she did know that vb was just sitting outside o the couch so she said i should go and talk with my friend out front. so while we were in the living room this little cutie hottie proceeded to walk by in her undies to shower. very nice and a great body i liked how this one change her attitude from being a pro to really getting into to the whole fuck session. she did have great body and some nice be cups. she dressed up and i then paid her she was such a good lay i did not even fight her request for taxi fare.
after she left sometime just after 5 am vb and i talked till about 6 am, the damn sun was starting to peek out. he then headed to his hotel for a few hours of sleep before he headed to the airport. i wish his night had gone as well as mine, but that damn 19 year kind of locked up on him. lesson learned if you are going for a possible foursome the girls should be friends to feel more comfortable with the possibility of a foursome or they better be awful damn drunk or maybe both.
i will post some pics soon and the rest of this trip.
hunter
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HunterDave
11-21-09, 20:01
Status is NOT his motive.
He began by explaining why he posts, that he's ONLY interested in "helping others not make the same mistakes that he made". You know, the king of modesty and humility, the Patron saint of ISG.
Only problem with that, every experience he has is a fantasy come true. Hard to learn from his mistakes, when he has none, you know, 13 awesome GFE's in 2 days, nutting 8 times in 3 hours and she was begging for more.
And you got it wrong he got freebies.
Every internet date was either an agency escort or a non-agency p4p fishing for cash tricks. He paid them all. Of course, that didn't stop them from all being ultimate GFE of a lifetime performers..Bez,
Not looking for sainthood. You may want to quit just skimming my posts and either read them or just pass. If you re-read any you will see that while I have had some success with a few freebies. Most of the women I have layed have been p4p. While I do spend an inordinate amount of time chasing freebies. Most have been p4p. Only in my 2nd trip was I lucky.
Hunter
HunterDave
11-21-09, 21:00
Hunterdave's reports are important because they confirm average price for a night (10 hours) is between 100 and 150 dollars. Therefore everybody can pay that average price to fuck a nice girl for all night: no more than 150$ for 10 hours! I repeat: no more than 150$ for 10 hours!
Somebody wrote HunterDave looks for a 11/10 action on bed but I want to remind the only above-10 human sexual action is the karolesky miniet (with facial and/or swallow), all the rest is ordinary fuck, anal sex included.Alconizer,
Thanks for the plug, but while I have done it a few times in Kiev, getting a girl for that long has more been the exception more than the rule. But definintely worth aspiring to. But if a mongerer is going to pay $150 it should at least be for a few hours. If less time, less money.
Hunter
Meashearim
11-22-09, 13:15
Here is my two cents about Kiev – regarding freebies.
After 2 months in this town I have noticed the following:
* All international students are still single.
* All international students lacks Ukrainian friends.
Thus, we are not well integrated in this society.
My room mate puts it most accurate:
"As soon as you open your mouth – and they hear that you don't speak Russian – you are screwed".
This city can only offer us one thing:
Prostitutes. Expensive ones!
As my former Kiev-wingman said:
"Avoid regular discos, stick to RP, and invite girls from the countryside.
So, forget Kiev if you are looking for anything else than prostitutes. And don't get any kind of ideas unless you are a fluent speaker of Russian.
There is no "Da da da! "-stuff here, if you understand what I mean.
And as a student I don't get any advantages at all.
The opposite. With the status as a student you are really "dasvidanja"!
Or as a djevuska said to me:
"You taking me out on a coffee? Hah! How are you going to pay me that! "
It is too complicated for the Monkey-brains to spell to anything like scholarship.
So, keep it simple.
1. Stick to prostitutes in Kiev.
2. If hunting freebies – tell them you are a business man.
3. Learn Russian before you come here.
4. Go Germany or Poland.
Am I negative?
I don't know.
Or maybe my standards are just high. I am like a b*tch. If I start to get Gucci and Prada-bags, I won't lower my standards.
We all have different opinions about looks etc, but I just cannot settle for average-looking girls. Maybe you will get some success with them, even though I doubt it.
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CityHunter77
11-22-09, 22:57
I agree with you on point 2, money talks!
Pros, semi-pros, strippers are expensive in Kiev
Are Germany and Poland any cheaper for action?
I only speak English, but I have managed to get 3 freebies from one visit to Ukraine. (Kiev, Odessa and Nikolaev)
Here is my two cents about Kiev – regarding freebies.
After 2 months in this town I have noticed the following:
* All international students are still single.
* All international students lacks Ukrainian friends.
Thus, we are not well integrated in this society.
My room mate puts it most accurate:
"As soon as you open your mouth – and they hear that you don't speak Russian – you are screwed".
This city can only offer us one thing:
Prostitutes. Expensive ones!
As my former Kiev-wingman said:
"Avoid regular discos, stick to RP, and invite girls from the countryside.
So, forget Kiev if you are looking for anything else than prostitutes. And don't get any kind of ideas unless you are a fluent speaker of Russian.
There is no "Da da da! "-stuff here, if you understand what I mean.
And as a student I don't get any advantages at all.
The opposite. With the status as a student you are really "dasvidanja"!
Or as a djevuska said to me:
"You taking me out on a coffee? Hah! How are you going to pay me that! "
It is too complicated for the Monkey-brains to spell to anything like scholarship.
So, keep it simple.
1. Stick to prostitutes in Kiev.
2. If hunting freebies – tell them you are a business man.
3. Learn Russian before you come here.
4. Go Germany or Poland.
Am I negative?
I don't know.
Or maybe my standards are just high. I am like a b*tch. If I start to get Gucci and Prada-bags, I won't lower my standards.
We all have different opinions about looks etc, but I just cannot settle for average-looking girls. Maybe you will get some success with them, even though I doubt it.
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Bez Bezarra
11-23-09, 00:30
Am I negative?
I don't know.Measely Rims.
Here's what you might be missing:
As a student, you should have some advantages.
But first, you are right about the Gucci girls, forget them, they will only drive you to frustration and tortured madness lies that way.
But there are so many in-between girls, that you need not lower your standards to go after plain-janes or worse, the homely rejects.
The in-betweens are your salvation. First, make sure they don't already have serious boyfriend they are currently fucking. its ok to ask, they don't get offended with those questions.
You want only girls without model type face or fancy too tight jeans and lots of make up and jewelry. You want the girls with a flaw, but the rest is solid, especially from the neck down. Maybe pizza face with bad skin. Maybe nasty teeth, or big nose, or cross eyes, or one eye brow. But otherwise, they are skinny and have no problems with breasts and butt.
With these girls, you should ask them to study with you, take them for a beer, invite them to your hostel for vodka. Get them drunk on cheap beer or cheap vodka. You hang out with them after class, or on the weekend. Cook them a cheeseburger. Give them a rose. Give them a massage, then go for the pussy.
HunterDave
11-23-09, 01:42
Kiev Day 3
I crashed till 11 AM and the set out to line up Day 3 possibles. I had a Russian only speaking mamba possible who wanted to meet with me and asked if she could bring a friend who spoke English with her. Rather than meet at Friday's we went to an Italian place next to Friday's called El Patio. Not bad, pretty good food. The blonde was named Sveta and her brunette friend was Kate Nice conversation for future possible but with so little time I now know that if you do not speak Russian. To pass. Not worth the effort. Now the brunette Kate has possibilities. If you do not speak Russian stick with English speaking girls or only Russian p4p because once you get the girl into bed, you don't care what language she speaks, fucking, moaning and screaming are universal languages
Late that afternoon I met with another freebie. Nice looking blonde, 23 years old. But this was one that also will take some time to work. Something for the future
Called another mamba honey. Her name was Svetik probably an agency, she first quoted $100, I offered $70, we settled at $80 + 50 grivna for cab fare. She showed up right on time. Little blonde, brown eyes about 5' 4", tight little body, she showered and we wen into the bedroom. This little blonde loved loved to suck and gave an excellent BBBJ. She really went to town on my cock she was one of those that seemed content onjust sitting there and sucking cock. She was a good fuck and really enjoyed doggie position. A good lay for $80 bucks.
Decided to try out RP on a Sunday night (first time on a Sunday for me). Tried out a taxi service which has some English dispatchers. So I was able to get a good deal for 30 grivna to RP. (PM me for the number I will also post the name and number in a separate post incase Jackson deletes the post) headed over there around 1230. Crowd was nowhere near what other nights are like but many of the standard group were there and also the cutie I had had (Luda-brunette with blonde streaks) the night before this time wearing some of those like acid washed jeans which fit her like a glove very nice we talked and she offered herself but was trying to pull the RP standard ($300) and of course I said no, but did offer the same $150 from the night before. She did look hot and I told her I knew she had to keep working the place, but when she realized others would also be tough negotiating, she moved out onto the floor and gave me a great many number of sensual dances to keep me looking. I just sat back by the bar. And kept fending off those I was not interested in but a few were tempting. In fact there is a pack of 4 blondes that frequent RP (all there that Sunday night), I call then the locals and since I had had 3 of them, the 4th was looking very nice and smiling a lot at me, she had come close to being the one the night before with VB, I did not move on her since my first choice turned out to be the one from the night before, Luda. We talked again and closed the deal. Called another cabbie, his name is Romas (I can give you his number also) and he will pickup (he normally works from 7 PM to 7 AM) and costs 40 grivna from RP. He speaks decent English and came within 15 minutes of my call just before 2 AM it was crazy, when he picked us up at RP the RP outside guards were a bit pissed he was honing in on their business. And all Romas did was stare at Luda probably wondering what this young hottie was doing in this p4p business she is quite a good looking girl (even corroborated by VB). Even when he dropped us off at my place he made sure to turn on the over head light to stare at her pretty funny. Another great session with Luda. Better sex than the first night since I knew her moves and she opened up even more when we fucked she likes the wine, the candles (a nice romantic touch in her eyes) and this time she stated for several rounds in between rounds we lay there kind of in semi-sleep mode she would come back after awhile and say she does not sleep in someone else's bed, so she would say let's have a bit more wine then she said no more sleep. So it was sex or she would go. So I always said then sex it is finally around 6:45 she said she needed to shower and would leave. I just lay I bed dozing, heard her showering then wondered where she went and went into the living room and there she was, in the semi-dark drinking some more wine so we sat there and cuddled before she ordered a cab, I then paid her plus gave her some cab fare and watched her cute little ass walk out the door a very nice 2nd night sex session clearly a future keeper for the next trip
Hunter
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HunterDave
11-23-09, 01:54
Day 4 More Freebie work
She had tired me out (Luda was 24) so I slept in till 10 AM. I went to meet Valery from my 2nd trip who was in town to do some work with a friend for 2 days. We had a nice brunch at the Arena City Beer House/Café. We talked for 2 hours before she had to go to work. I then had a rendezvous with a 23 year old brunette who had a ton of pics on mamba with some smoking hot long legs. She showed up at Friday's at 1:30 and we met for about an hour, she spoke very good English. I knew this was to be a short meet and greet since she had to meet with some lawyers on some business opportunity. Nice girl very hot wearing one of those tight fitting dresses that accentuates the ass very nice I may try to meet her again. But investing time in freebies does take time
I had plans to meet this 29 year old blonde at 6 PM who was a dancer. And she seemed very interested in meeting. I had some time to kill so I thought I would link up with Dasha, from my last 2 trips, she at first agreed to meet, then called back and said she had something come up with her daughter and asked for a rain check.
When I was heading back to the apartment I was going up the stairs below my building and this cute little ass of a blonde passes by me and then at the top of the stairs she turns and asks me something in Russian and I tell her I only speak English. She and a friend in trail then start speaking English to me. Turns out they were some college students with free time from the flu epidemic and were looking for a party. I told them I had to go to a "business meeting" but wopuld be free later and that I had wine in my apartment, they said great and they gave me their number and took mine. When I found out Dasha had to cancel I considered calling the college girls up, but I did want to make my 6 PM meeting and thought if I started with these girls I would most probably miss that 6 PM meeting. I did think that after the 6 PM and before my midnight (I had coordinated with Irina from my 2nd and 3rd trips to meet that night at midnight for wine, food and for her to stay the night).
When Dasha cancelled on me, rather than call the college girls, I decided to get a massage at Rakuena which is a 5 minute walk from my place. I walked in, got the standard walk out by the women present selected a girl named Inna, a tall 5'7-8" blue eyed blonde, hot body, ordered the Thai massage (600 grivna for 2 hours) which comes with a great Thai massage and 2 erotic massages included. Inna had a rock hard body, nice be breasts which I did play with, too bad all you can get is a good hand job and a first for me, a tit and neck BJ, she did finally get me off the first time, but could not the 2nd time. Wish I could have nailed that fine body, but the massage was excellent. She did let me play with her pussy and finger her very deep. This massage session was great relaxation for me. My body needed it.
Met this hot little blonde, named Katya, 29 years old, blue eyes and full of life. Met her at Friday's thinking this would be a1 to 1 ½ hours max meeting to set the stage for future possibilities, but we were having such a good time that we just stayed and before I knew it it was closing time at Friday's (10 PM). The whole time I was with this Katya I received at least 10 calls from the college girls, I kept SMSing them I was tied up in my business meeting, thinking I would get them to my place later that night but I was thoroughly enjoying my time with Katya and in the end stayed with her and eventually passed on the college girls. But told them I would call them my next trip we'll C. If someone want to try then out before I get back there I can provide their digits.
Irina showed up out front at midnight, again dressed to kill. Great looking blouse with a great V neck and a tiny little skirt. Very nice, very hot. We proceeded to Polish off my remaining wine and some snacks, ordered a pizza for delivery and some extra beer. She is a great conversationalist and even wanted to show me her school website photos (guess it was like Facebook) and she let me pull down several of her pics (I will upload some of them and a few I took. Her video was pretty good this time also). This one is a joy to be around, and is an excellent lay. Really gets into the fucking and enjoys all the little things I do for her in bed. (this was my 3rd night with her) kind of nice to have a good time talking and also to know that the sex will be great. I think it gets better each time we are together since we both enjoy pleasing each other that much more. This one is one I will link up with every time I get to Kiev. We had several sessions and when we rest she loves to cuddle and spoon as we rest. Irina stayed right up till when I was scheduled to leave for the airport. I let her sleep while I showered and packed up I even had to wake her up just after 11 AM before my driver came a t 11:30. In fact when Alex, my driver showed to pick me up I opened the door and before he could walk in, Irina walked out. The look on Alex's face was priceless, his eyes were wide open and all he did was stare at her as she headed down the hallway to the elevator. When he came into the apartment he said where did she come from. He was impressed and asked me if she was a model I just said yes.
Alex got me to the airport on time and made my trip very uneventful I highly recommend using kievrentals. Com. They have very good service.
Hunter
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HunterDave
11-23-09, 14:29
Hey, hunter check any photos I have uploaded on this thread, they pretty cool sexy girls. And yeah I will hook up with you next year, and I will show my arse in kreshatik on a Saturday afternoon. But I won't need plenty of rest to keep up with you, no problem on that front, I'm just not up to your standards and your head count, simply because you fabricated them for sensationalism, I don't really care what vit said in your favour, oh, and you forgot to mention how old you were? As you coverered everything else, and if you do get your own tv show there in Kiev, I hope your not wearing a sports coat and loafers.Dice,
Sounds like we have a plan to monger together. Will let you know when I am heading next to Kiev. Whether you believe my posts or any of the others I have hunted with here on ISG I really don't care. Clearly you need to see it for yourself. But when you do I don't need you to show your ass on K St. Oh I am in my 50's but tell the women I am in my 40s.
. While you think my head count is high, it could be even higher, but there is only so much time and hunting for freebies eats into that time too much. I will tell you that with mamba contacts and the number of women wanting to give out their phone numbers and willing to meet and see where things go, it is the best hunting ground I have found to date.
Just the mamba p4p availability can keep a mongerer rolling in new pussy about every 3 to 4 hours if you do your homework before you get to Kiev. And your cock can rise to the occasion. RP is only a late night bonus. But still worth the visits.
Hunter
I posted this in the Russia forum as well. I recently had a week vacation with a ukrainian lady. I found her on Mamba and she had a listing under the travel partners section.
We went to an all inclusive Jamaica resort , and I paid for everything (flight, hotel, misc costs.
Some notes on the experience
-to my chagrin/benefit she turned out to be quite a well traveled, classy upscale girl. I had presumed she would be the an economically disadvantaged eastern european hottie. But she was actually an upper middle class parttime model. Very smart and cultured but also a bit of a handful (and I'm no dummy)
-sex was great and happened the first night, despite her having flown a long way. Full girlfriend/honeymoon experience. No hint of her being "paid for" in any way (which was good in some ways, but bad in others when she wasn't in the mood)
-we encountered some challenges from 7 days of living in each others pocket (ie shared room)
-she got sick, (fever, etc) which put a big of a crimp in our plans
-she bought various gifts/trinkets (fridge magnets, etc) for her friends and family. I was taken aback when she started shopping in the gift shop the first day, but I know understand that it would be considered rude and unthoughtful if she returned home with nothing for her friends and family. Total cost for the gifts for her and others was about $350.
-total cost for the week for both of us, all costs, $5500. Considering that I also got a weeks vacation, the cost for having her there with me was about half that. More than half of her cost was the airfare from Kiev.
Conclusions?
I'd suggest having met the girl first. (We had not, but we had a lot of common interests, and felt strangely comfortable right from the start). We spoke on the phone a lot before we left.
I sent as many documents/etc as I could to reassure her that she wasn't arriving to a white slavery operation or something. Copies of all the documents, prebooked taxi for airport to resort transfer. Advised her I was giving her $100 for any incidental travel expenses.
Biggest mistake? Not taking enough time to sit down and talk pragmatically about her priorities/interests/needs during the week. We both rushed into the romantic part of the trip, not wanting to spoil it with "business talk", and that led to some misunderstandings.
Still, it was quite an experience to be escorting this extremely beautiful, intelligent girl. Even with her three days of illness (yes, 3 days, terrible luck for us), it was still a great trip.
No pictures or descriptions, sorry, but this is someone that I am friends with and actually quite like. I'll be seeing her again, and I post only as a general aid to those considering a vacation girl. I'd be mortified if I posted any description of her and she found out.
feel free to pm me for more discussion/details
fj
Gentleman Travel
11-23-09, 16:28
Airport transfer - I ended up getting a bus from the airport and navigating the metro (3 stops) to the hotel, was about 70 minutes and $2.10....intercontinental wanted €80 for taxi (45 min), the taxis at the airport were quoting $100+ (45 mins).
The apartment services I used in Kyiv and Moscow both offered hotel pick-up. In Kyiv it was some kind of mini-bus arrangement and I think it might have been included - I didn't make the arrangements, my GF/interpretor did. In Moscow it was some extra fee, but still quite reasonable, and for limo service that was there in a timely fashion on both ends.
It sounds like the Intercontinental is letting its guest get exploited, instead of providing them with an economical and reliable service. The lesson for newbies is that even if you are staying in apartments you can (sometimes) get these important add-on services. In fact I would always try to get my airport transfers from my apartment agent in the future because it also simplifies finding and getting access to the apartment and dealing with any problems (apt not up to expectations).
The apartment services I used in Kyiv and Moscow both offered hotel pick-up. In Kyiv it was some kind of mini-bus arrangement and I think it might have been included - I didn't make the arrangements, my GF/interpretor did. In Moscow it was some extra fee, but still quite reasonable, and for limo service that was there in a timely fashion on both ends.
It sounds like the Intercontinental is letting its guest get exploited, instead of providing them with an economical and reliable service. The lesson for newbies is that even if you are staying in apartments you can (sometimes) get these important add-on services. In fact I would always try to get my airport transfers from my apartment agent in the future because it also simplifies finding and getting access to the apartment and dealing with any problems (apt not up to expectations).WizzAir offers Aiport transfer, too. They pick you up at your hotel oder private apartment. Price is 11,50 Euro.
http://mogyoro.hwstudio.hu/pair/index.php?town=40
Bez Bezarra
11-23-09, 18:13
I had a week vacation with a lady I found on Mamba listed in the travel section.
To my chagrin she was well traveled, classy and upscale.
I presumed she would be disadvantaged.
But she was an upper middle class parttime model, very smart and cultured.
I'm no dummy.
Full honeymoon experience, but bad when she wasn't in the mood.
Biggest mistake? Not wanting to spoil it with "business talk", that led to some misunderstandings.
Extremely beautiful, intelligent girl.
Even with her three days of illness, yes, 3 days, terrible luck for us.
No pictures or descriptions, I'd be mortified if she found out.
Ok Flimflam-man, go ahead and hurl your girly-man attacks on me, they won't do a bit of good, as anyone with half a brain can easliy see through your veil of bullshit and layers of phony macho sophistication.
You so badly give your self away, its beyond obvious!
To your chagrin (????) she was a classy upscale extemely beautiful intelligent model that you'd be mortified if ANYONE else knew how she looked??
How were you able to cheer yourself up when she turned out to not be disadvantaged?? You must have been devastated to realize you weren't economically superior!! What a crushing blow!!
Well, that certainly proves you're no dummy!!
Especially on your financial shrewdness!!!??
You don't think we can figure out what you slyly tried to gloss over, that you didn't want to spoil your honeymoon with business talk, so then she says, NO SEX for 3 days, until you clear up your "misunderstandings" and relent, and pay her the $1000 or $2000 weekly fee, the standard price she charges all her customers for prostitute services. That sure is terrible luck for both of you!!
Well, I guess its better that no one ever knows any details about her, like that she's 31, or how extremely beautiful or classy she was, as we all know what kind of irreversible emotional damage that would cause the both of you fragile lovebirds. Aw......, shucks!
Now that all your inadvertent omissions have been properly illuminated, I'm sure your original goal to aid mongers going on vacation will be achieved.
AColonizer
11-23-09, 18:51
Thanks Meashearim for your recent report. Yes, unfortunately Golden years have gone away a lot of years ago, in the '90s.
I faced your same troubles in 2007. In 2007 I have found freebies easier than now. Yes, a strong Russian background is a must to get into semi-serious relationships.
About expensive prostitutes for foreigners, I have already reported the solution last year: all foreigners must be a "trust company" that never pay more than a fixed price, such as OPEC or the oil company trust.
For example, when a foreigner pays 200$ for an overnight session (10 hours) with a girl (under-23 years old, above-7 rated; no limit oral-vaginal-anal services included), so all foreigners must pay no more than 200$ for the same girl type. When a girl asks for more money for easy vaginal fucks, so all foreigners must kick her out, with no mercy. This is the difference between a walking dick and a real man.
HunterDave
11-23-09, 19:03
As promised here is the name and number to that cab company I used on my last trip to Kiev. Dispatcher tqakes all the relevant info and the cab shows normally within 15 minutes of your request. I paid 30 grivna in the city.
Absolut Taxi, 8063 455 95 95
Hope this helps. I also have the number to Romas from another cab company if any one wants it.
Hunter
I will post this in the General Info thread also.
Grey Nomad
11-24-09, 01:10
Just wanted to share my 10 cents worth on a wonderful few days in the paradise that is Kiev. I still have a stiff neck from checking out all those beautiful well groomed young women.
Well as my name Grey Nomad suggests I am not that young, up around 60 in fact. I also do not speak Russian. I decided not to let these small issues get in my way of testing the waters, so I bravely fronted up at the ground floor circular bar at Arena for a beer or two before heading upstairs to the disco. Well, I never had to leave the bar. Within a very short time I caught the attention of 2 ladies with a wink and a small, was invited over to join them and very soon was informed that both of them would happily come back to my apartment for a threesome. They were above average in looks and about 28 to 30years of age. Negotiated a price of $170 for the two- surprise, surprise. Back to my apartment, undressed and 3 of us into the shower. At this stage I am thinking, shit what have I got myself into-at my age I can handle 2 very attractive young women at once! Began our session, with great gusto, several of the usual positions with Alana were most enjoyable. Meanwhile the girls were also 'very close', noticed that Natasha was a bit reluctant to have me penetrate her. Then the bombshell, I was told that Natasha was actually a lesbian. Humm, actually I was pleased as I could now save face at not having to screw them both. Still I was able to really enjoy Natasha's body without the penetration and watch her do her stuff with Alana. In summary, these girls were great fun, took their time and happily spent over 2 hours with me. Good value considering no extras like taxi fares or drinks were involved. Alana even offered her company for free for the following Sunday night, a genuine offer I believe but not followed up.
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Broderick66
11-24-09, 01:13
Hi guys,
I read between the lines that not everyone is a Hunter Dave fan. I actually believe him and will join his fanclub if there is one.
I am going to Kiev in a few weeks and because of his reports I joined Mamba and really did my homework. All of a sudden the reason I am there (business) is not important anymore and I already cancelled one meeting because of my hobby.
Now I know I will fail compared to Hunter. I do because I always give in to temptation and end up paying too much. Or feel sorry for the potential freeby and spend the whole night talking to her on the couch in the hotel lobby and get rewarded with a handshake. I just suck in this stuff but the Hunter reports have given me new hope and this time I did my homework. I'll keep you posted and hope my visit goes ahead in December. Even when I fail I report back. If only to make sure my next visit coincides with Hunter Dave's trip.
Thanks!
Brotherrabitt
11-24-09, 10:46
My second time in Kiev, starting to get to know the place, and appreciate it more and more. I lack the time (and even though I am younger, the stamina) to emulate Hunter's frequency, however so far it has proven relatively easy to properly prepare the grounds for some great evenings and nights. I use 12kisses and love.bigmir.net, even though I have noticed that on bigmir you now have to register before you can send emails, a couple of weeks/a month ago, the email address was part of their public profile. I am sure that through mamba or whatever they are called you can achieve the same result.
In any case I had set up two evenings with a lawyer and a woman working in corporate communications, well educated and quite pretty (lots of pics on Bigmir). Took each of them out to the Buddha Bar, a couple of bottles of wine and sushi will set you back USD 100-150 easily but the bar upstairs is a great venue to take a girl out, it’s dark, private and I like the music, but expensive for Kiev of course.
In both cases we clicked, had great conversations, my experience with freebies all over the world is that to get into their pants, you have to get into their brains first, mission accomplished, had good sex in both cases.
I have a business to run, and always have a lot of meetings during the day and evenings in Kiev, have a couple of very good friends there as well who invite me for dinners etc, so I need to be a bit temperate in my nightlife, but as far as freebie hunting goes, Kiev is not much different from most other cities I know in East/Central Europe, if you prepare the grounds well, invest some time in creating a positive atmosphere through email and phone before your trip, no question you can spend your days/evenings/nights with a multiple of very good looking women, who most of the time have interesting careers and lives and can actually hold a decent conversation.
In my 10 years of travel in Slavic countries, more and more I appreciate the character of the women there, even though they have a much more traditional outlook on relationships than women in the west, they sure as hell have solid backbones and know what they want out of life. Sure some of them are after your money, so what else is new ? Women in Kiev are not much different from other countries, besides maybe being prettier on average, they also sometimes just want an uncomplicated evening/night with a relative stranger, so no strings attached. For me the key is to identify the right ones, and this trip it went well, other times it has been a disaster, but it’s all in the game.
Some operational info, I book an apprt through one of my friends, was just off Kreshatik and paid USD 100/night for a nice and clean apprt. And I never pay more than USD 20 for an airport transfer, some of the prices here sound very high for Kiev. Inyourpocket.com gives lots of information on nice bars/restaurants/apprt rental etc for those who are interested.
Have fun.
BR
Hi all,
I'm looking for a girl friendly hotel in Kiev, for the New Year.
Grey Nomad
11-25-09, 01:46
Being very elated with my first night success at Arena I ventured back there on the Saturday night at about 11pm. Once again decided just to sit and watch over a beer or two and try to get upstairs later. After a short time two young ladies aged about 28 and rating a solid 7 to 8 in looks sat near me at the bar, after a wink and and smile we were chatting in broken English. They were soon joined by a third friend, all three appeared to be normal girls out for a few drinks. Usual chat, where from, where was I staying etc. Then it happened again, they informed me casually that any of them would be more than happy to come back to my apartment. What give my thoughts away? Was it the way I was ogling their great breasts or staring into their 'come to bed eyes'? Who cares! It was on again, after a short negotiation I secured the services of Tatyana for $100. I tried to find out how long she would stay, to which she replied at least 1 hour depends on how I enjoy your company. Fair enough. Back to the apartment, into the shower and soon down to the business of the night. I am not good at describing the intimate detail on this forum yet. So suffice to say I had a real girlfriend experience where we fully enjoyed each other in several positions- except anal, not for me anyway. She apparently thought my company good as she stayed all night and was happy to oblige me fully again next morning, before leaving at 10am. Now call it good luck or good management- I don't know but my 2 nights hunting at Arena were certainly economical for the prices and quality girls I met. I think they were attractive, although not stunning I admit. But hey, how many of us really ' look at the mantlepiece whilst stoking the fire'?
A final note, I am embarressed to admit that I could not find the infamous RP, until too late in my stay. In hindsight I would have liked to visit this citadel of mongering, but then I appear to have secured good service at a competitive price elsewhere. Final note, if I can have such success at my age- 60 plus, by just acting normal, friendly and reasonable looks and clothes, anyone can succeed in Kiev.
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Check out the news, maybe someone you know got in the picture. I am the guy in the black with "berkut' T-shirt))
http://korrespondent.net/video/ukraine/1021182
If you will get busted in stings like that militia will try to get money from you. But don't pay more than 10-20USD and they will let you go without a report. Or spend some time in the otdelenije and you will have something to show back home))
Stay safe
Bez Bezarra
11-25-09, 17:43
At Arena two ladies aged 28
I paid Tatyana $100.
Dice, you ignorant s1ut!
This is the kind of limitless success that Hoaxer Dog inspires.
If Hogger can score with 28 year old goddesses, why can't Earl Grey Nutmeg and Bloodydick666?
Everyone is jumping on Hunters bandwagon, after all, didn't he prove he's the mother of all mongers with his photos?
His fotos are the hottest girls ever posted, those long legs and gorgeous breasts and voluptuous asses, every one hotter than the next! No one has ever seen girls so hot!! And such wildcats in bed, too. The most erotic sensual horny females in the universe. Somehow, with his god given talents and expertise, Hunter only needed to arrive for his first ever time in Kiev, and he instantaneously became the worlds most admired and desired male by every women from Vladivostok to Kaliningrad!! And at such incredible rock bottom bargain prices, I figure that soon, all the River Pussy wh0res will be lining up begging to pay Hunter for his Da Da Da gigolo services. Before his flight even lands at Borispol, there are snail trails up and down Kreshatik from all the women's dripping pussies that await the moment he clears customs and begins his next twat assault on the defenseless Ukrainian populace.
Naturally, any monger worth his salt will realize that I'm just jealous of our new Saviour Hummer Douche, because no one but he can fuck 12 pros in 3 hours, and cum 8 times in 20 minutes.
Gentleman, I propose that Hocker be nominated for Monger of the Millenium, which means that we all pony up $10,000 each to buy him a penthouse apartment in Revolution Square, and a Gold Key to the ladies bathroom at River Pussy so he can film a feature length Bukkake Tournament of the students that can only be satisfied by his awesome libido. After all, several mongers have now confirmed in a blind study, that instead of taking Viagra or Cialis, they merely stood in the presence of Hoofer, and they achieved erections that lasted for over 7 generations, plus or minus a week.
Guys, guys come on! You can't deny that we have come to a seminal moment in the history of mongering. You stand before the greatest leap forward since Syphillis was introduced into Europe! Don't miss the bus! This is the culture change that will carry us into the next thousand years.
If you don't swear your allegiance and hail this new messiah, you will be left behind forever to rot in a stinking cesspool of decaying detritus, like a pillar of salt in Sodom.
Its your choice, but be damned if you turn your back on this last chance to witness history in the making. Behold his coronation and lay golden wreaths at his feet. The time has come. Mercy is for the weak.
...A final note, I am embarressed to admit that I could not find the infamous RP---
It just means you could not find a taxi and say River Palace....
Planning on going to Kiev soon, so I am doing some reasearch.
http://flirt.com.ua/photo/?Anketa_id=356282907&oid=378851733&albumId=356282908&offset=0
Anyone familiar with this one?
Wanted 500 dollars wich I understood is just way over going rate. Don't want to ruin the market.
Check out the news, maybe someone you know got in the picture. I am the guy in the black with "berkut' T-shirt))
http://korrespondent.net/video/ukraine/1021182
If you will get busted in stings like that militia will try to get money from you. But don't pay more than 10-20USD and they will let you go without a report. Or spend some time in the otdelenije and you will have something to show back home))
Stay safeI was there from around 1 to 3 AM on Nov 22 and didn't know a thing. They either got the date wrong or it must have happened much earlier.
Planning on going to Kiev soon, so I am doing some reasearch.
http://flirt.com.ua/photo/?Anketa_id=356282907&oid=378851733&albumId=356282908&offset=0
Anyone familiar with this one?
Wanted 500 dollars wich I understood is just way over going rate. Don't want to ruin the market.She is taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off everyone.
Yes, seen her on Flirt.
You would pay much less in LONDON, for something better.
Bez Bezarra
11-26-09, 16:46
she is taking [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off everyone.
you would pay much less in london, for something better.
so price for [CodeWord101] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101) is lower in london?
pay less for better? what bukkake?
why do cops raid river palace?
because of the illegal casino?
prostitutes selling narcotics?
maybe because hunter upset the balance of crummy performance and promoted all river palace wh0res as gfe goddesses for low prices?
Hunter, you are delusional.
Your girls are average, I wouldn't even bother asking them for their phone number. Why don't you meet up with Irish Lad the next time you are in town, so that we (the senior members of the kyiv forum) can find out what your deal is. If IL is interested. ;)
Actually don't bother, I just checked out the recent pictures you uploaded. All the girls are average at best. Mystery solved.
Cruiser,
If those pics are average then Kiev is even better than advertised. Clearly it makes mongerering that much easier for all
. Oh and yes, the RP women do approach you if you sit back and ignore them. Just smile and wink and they wil come. It's the idiots that feel they need to chase pussy in a place where all the pussy is for sale that ruin it for us all. If they did not think they were wanted, the fucking prices would be even lower. If you stand there and reject a few nice ones. Then others will step up and take their shot (one has to remind oneself to think only with your big head). However if she is not added to my mental short list as a possible then I pass on her also. If you just sit back and wait they will come. And you are the one that is impowered, you have the advantage and the upper hand when negotiating. For that low $$ figure. If you chase the girl. She has the advantage. Negotiations are all about who has control. When you chase the girl she will try to command as much as she can. If she comes to you and you are interested they will just about do just about all that you ask of them. If you are to far apart in costing, and services and time in the sack. Then pass. Another will come by. Many are intrigued by the fact that you have passed on several others. It is just a pussy game. All mongerers need to take control. Maybe then we can all get lower pricing.
Oh and yes. If you work the mamba scene right. You do not even have to visit RP. But I love to haggle and negotiate.
Hunter
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HunterDave
11-26-09, 23:02
Hi guys,
I read between the lines that not everyone is a Hunter Dave fan. I actually believe him and will join his fanclub if there is one.
I am going to Kiev in a few weeks and because of his reports I joined Mamba and really did my homework. All of a sudden the reason I am there (business) is not important anymore and I already cancelled one meeting because of my hobby.
Now I know I will fail compared to Hunter. I do because I always give in to temptation and end up paying too much. Or feel sorry for the potential freeby and spend the whole night talking to her on the couch in the hotel lobby and get rewarded with a handshake. I just suck in this stuff but the Hunter reports have given me new hope and this time I did my homework. I'll keep you posted and hope my visit goes ahead in December. Even when I fail I report back. If only to make sure my next visit coincides with Hunter Dave's trip.
Thanks!66,
Just do your homework and hold your ground and you will do fine. Let us know how things go. Good luck.
Hunter
HunterDave
11-26-09, 23:06
Nomad,
Great post. Sounds like you found your own success at Arena. Maye next time you can hit RP. Hope others are just as successful in their mongering endeavors.
Hunter
Am a norwegian living in slovakia, and I am planning my first trip over the border to check out Kiev.
Have been reading in here, and been doing some reaserch, and I would apreciate if anyone of the more experienced people in here could help me out with some of my questions.
Will the 5 stars hotel like SAS Radisson let you take in girls at all hours of night, or is there a girl friendly nice hotel near the RP anyone could suggest?
About safety, is there anything you should be specially carefull with down there? I am used to Slovakia, wich can be pretty tough in the nightlife, but here they normally let foreigners alone as long as you mind your own busisness. Would be nice to get a overview over the safety aspect down there. As long as you take taxi to and from hotel and RP, you should pretty much be ok? I was also wondering if there was a dress code at RP, and wich currency you pay the ladies of choice with.
As for the escorts site, can anyone who have tried the topmodel and escort-models give some advice if there is anyone on the pictures who really works? Been some contradicting info on this.
As for flirt, I am going through the pages, but it seems like it it can be hit or miss. I am using google translator, and I belive som of the girls get a good laugh when they read my mails. Is it so good at RP, with a lot of 10's, that I should just go there and be happy, and not having the hassel of setting up flirt dates? I must admit there is some real stunners at flirt, but if the RP serves up just as good, its not worth the hassel.
I am going over in January, and will of course post a review afterwords and try and throw in some good pictures as thank you for your help now!.
Ps. If any of the experienced Kiev travellers are in the area at the same time, please send me a pm. Would be nice to have a wingman or 2, and I will for sure return the favour here, if slovakia is on your future travel list.
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HunterDave
11-27-09, 00:44
Dice, you ignorant s1ut!
This is the kind of limitless success that Hoaxer Dog inspires.
If Hogger can score with 28 year old goddesses, why can't Earl Grey Nutmeg and Bloodydick666?
Everyone is jumping on Hunters bandwagon, after all, didn't he prove he's the mother of all mongers with his photos?
His fotos are the hottest girls ever posted, those long legs and gorgeous breasts and voluptuous asses, every one hotter than the next! No one has ever seen girls so hot! And such wildcats in bed, too. The most erotic sensual horny females in the universe. Somehow, with his god given talents and expertise, Hunter only needed to arrive for his first ever time in Kiev, and he instantaneously became the worlds most admired and desired male by every women from Vladivostok to Kaliningrad! And at such incredible rock bottom bargain prices, I figure that soon, all the River Pussy wh0res will be lining up begging to pay Hunter for his Da Da Da gigolo services. Before his flight even lands at Borispol, there are snail trails up and down Kreshatik from all the women's dripping pussies that await the moment he clears customs and begins his next twat assault on the defenseless Ukrainian populace.
Naturally, any monger worth his salt will realize that I'm just jealous of our new Saviour Hummer Douche, because no one but he can fuck 12 pros in 3 hours, and cum 8 times in 20 minutes.
Gentleman, I propose that Hocker be nominated for Monger of the Millenium, which means that we all pony up $10, 000 each to buy him a penthouse apartment in Revolution Square, and a Gold Key to the ladies bathroom at River Pussy so he can film a feature length Bukkake Tournament of the students that can only be satisfied by his awesome libido. After all, several mongers have now confirmed in a blind study, that instead of taking Viagra or Cialis, they merely stood in the presence of Hoofer, and they achieved erections that lasted for over 7 generations, plus or minus a week.
Guys, guys come on! You can't deny that we have come to a seminal moment in the history of mongering. You stand before the greatest leap forward since Syphillis was introduced into Europe! Don't miss the bus! This is the culture change that will carry us into the next thousand years.
If you don't swear your allegiance and hail this new messiah, you will be left behind forever to rot in a stinking cesspool of decaying detritus, like a pillar of salt in Sodom.
Its your choice, but be damned if you turn your back on this last chance to witness history in the making. Behold his coronation and lay golden wreaths at his feet. The time has come. Mercy is for the weak.Bez,
Not sure why all the negative waves. Clearly you are just skimming many of the posts. But that's fine. No one is claiming the number of lays or orgasms. But hey guess anyone can wish. If you want to challenge posts, again your call. As you said in your PM to me in Sept when I asked for advice. You said Kiev is no longer your town. And clearly it has changed since you were last there.
Kiev may be differeent from when you were last there. As I have posted use of the internet to line up one's possibles is the best thing a mongerer can do to improve his odds. If a guy does his homework he can line up beaucoup interested young women just looking for some attention. They want to be with a man and if you set the right stage before arriving and can stagger them apart right (provided they are near on time) a guy can have field day. My last trip proved it to me. Including a threesome I lined up 2 other women and had a RP repeat, 5 women, all in less than 24 hours (and none more than $150 [$65, 60-60, 90, 150 respectively]. If this isn't the Kiev you remember then it has changed. If a mongerer does his homework and preps the field he can score. As I have said. The best hunting ground I have seen as of this date. Why go anywhere else. I stay in a nice apartement on Khreshatik, restaurants and bars are within walking distance, RP is a cab ride away, the women appreciate meeting near the city center, I offer some wine, snacks, music from my ipod or from the MTV on the tube, and even use a few candles in the bedroom to add a little romanticism (as they call it) and if a mongerer is good in bed, they do not mind staying longer. If they sense it is more than just a fuck. Then they are more receptive to some GFE. But that all depends on the mongerer and how good he is. If a mongerer is bland, then that is all you get in return.
I offer any of my tactics to any mongerer who wants info. Am happy to meet with and hopefully hunt with any when I am in Kiev. I hope that many who do hit Kiev will post as some have recently done and in the future and I hope that many who know Kiev better than myself will offer some relevant info for all of us to learn from and not just blah, blah, blah. I am still waiting to see read posts on near term lessons learned from some of the senior members. Not how it was when. Give us all some recency. Tell us how to better use the interet. Where to stay. Etc.
Kiev is as has been said in another post is "Kandy Store Kiev". Every mongerer needs to check it out. But if not those of us who believe will continue to visit and hopefully report. Even if they are questioned and challlenged for each and every post. Those of you willing to test the Kiev Kandy Shop, good luck, keep up the hoomework and let those of us who want to get better, get to read your posts. Good hunting!
Hunter
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HunterDave
11-27-09, 00:53
Hunter, you are delusional.
Your girls are average, I wouldn't even bother asking them for their phone number. Why don't you meet up with Irish Lad the next time you are in town, so that we (the senior members of the kyiv forum) can find out what your deal is. If IL is interested.Cruiser,
I think you mean euphorical. Again if that is average why would a guy want to go anywhere else. The women are goodlooking. They want to be with a man, and the p4p is priced right if a mongerer can negotiate. A mongerer's heaven. With the right preparation. If IL is game no problem just like my offer to Dice. As I have offered to any and all other mongerers, I have a pretty set routine if they are interested in hunting together, then sure. I am always willing to learn from other mongerers.
Hunter
I was originally going to step in and defend HunterDave’s post (game recognizes game). But, he said everything that needs to be said. Many of you seem to spend too much time bitching and not enough time noticing the details that make the difference. For example, part of his success rate is due to his SCREENING PROCESS prior to his trips. He weeds out the flakes and focuses on those that offer the best ROI. Again, this is done before he even gets to Kiev. (Surprising how one’s close rate skyrockets when you only talking to highly motivated prospects.) Next, when he is on the ground in venues like RP, he let’s them come to him. And he negotiates with those that seem the most motivated with the right chemistry. Again, he’s SCREENING for interest and motivation. Notice, he never said he walked up to the hottest ICE QUEEN in the bar and got her to give him PSE/GFE for 3 days for $5. (That's a different dicusssion. Reactive vs Proactive game.) Why is this so hard for some of you guys to grasp?
As a player, when I hear about another guy’s success, I look at the elements that matter because SUCCESS LEAVES CLUES. When you are reading HunterDave’s posts, obviously, you cannot SEE the interaction. You know nothing about his vibe, body language, tone of voice, eye contact, and all the other sub-communications that matter when interacting with women. He doesn’t forget that they are WOMEN. And WOMEN like MEN. (Go ahead, let it sink in.) Be the kind of guy she wants to sleep with anyway. Think about the hottest woman you’ve ever seen anywhere. Guess what? She actually has sex with some men because she likes to HAVE SEX. Wow. The girl you just gave money to in p4p is sleeping with some other guy because she WANTS to, not because he pays her. Clearly, not everyone here can pull that off to the same degree. So just because that level of success may not be true for some doesn’t mean it’s not true for others.
“If you want to be a bull fighter, you must first learn how to be a bull”.
I think you are missing my point.
You start posting reports on this forum like it's the Ruble Crash of '98 and girls are just throwing themselves at anyone with a foreign accent. Or that you are some super smooth operator who has RP girls just running to you begging the moment they see you clear the screen in the disco.
What you fail to mention is that you are working the mid and lower end girls. You try busting a move on a table of 8s or 9s? Where is that report of distinction. ;) What's next, your amazing sucess with the village girls at McD?
In a country full of beautiful girls, they average ones tend to be a bit umm, desperate. Even more so in times of economic fallout. Da Da Da? It does sound like you are having a great time. Enjoy yourself. Just remember to post about it in context.
See you at the ISG Superbowl party at RP? Dr S is buying the hot dogs. :D
Perolav, there really is nothing around RP except for a metro stop across the street. The place is rather isolated. The center is only a quick 10 minute ride (at that time of night).
No one at a Western Hotel will look at you twice if you have a ho in tow. The ex Soviet hotel security make shake you down for a small bribe.
Avoid large crowds of young drunks late at night (which goes for anywhere) and you'll be fine.
Perolav, there really is nothing around RP except for a metro stop across the street. The place is rather isolated. The center is only a quick 10 minute ride (at that time of night).
No one at a Western Hotel will look at you twice if you have a ho in tow. The ex Soviet hotel security make shake you down for a small bribe.
Avoid large crowds of young drunks late at night (which goes for anywhere) and you'll be fine.Thanks cruiser D!
I am now trying to find a date, and thinking about going over the 23 of dec ember.
Anyone been in Kiev during christmas, and know if there is any action, or do the girls, escort agencies and places like RP and rio take a day off the 24?
I am also curious how the action is at RP after the shakedown by the police, if its business as usual?
Any recent reports from the new Budha Bar is also greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
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It took me almost 4 days, but I have been through almost each and every one of the profiles on flirt in Kiev including the normal ones. I sent request for phone numbers for everything that looked interesting, and we will see what comes out in answers.
Will also do the follow up when I am in Kiev and see what it ends up with in the end. As I see it, a lot of BS on that site, but the things that look promising, looks VERY promising.
Will keep you posted
Ps. Thanks to google translator. (terminator)
And I forgot to write from 18-27.
The ones who want to take 27-35 please advise.
It took me almost 4 days, but I have been through almost each and every one of the profiles on flirt in Kiev including the normal ones. I sent request for phone numbers for everything that looked interesting, and we will see what comes out in answers.
Will also do the follow up when I am in Kiev and see what it ends up with in the end. As I see it, a lot of BS on that site, but the things that look promising, looks VERY promising.
Will keep you posted
Ps. Thanks to google translator. (terminator)I go through flirt almost on a daily basis.
What did you put on your profile?
Ie, are you looking for just SEX? Looking to sponsor?
Then, when you respond to someone, who is looking for a sponsor, all you need to do is put the following
$$$?
TELEPHONE NO?.
This is the quickest way to get a responce, and you don't need a translator.
I do not bother with, what looks like dating, love, marriage etc.
You realize, that your profile gets linked to your reponse to an ad automatically.
So the answers you get wiil depend on your profile, and what are you looking for.
I had great success with flirt, but then I should, because I am paying for the fucking thing in it.
Am a norwegian living in slovakia, and I am planning my first trip over the border to check out Kiev.
Apreciate if anyone in here could help me out with some of my questions.
Will the 5 stars hotel like SAS Radisson let you take in girls at all hours of night, or is there a girl friendly nice hotel near the RP anyone could suggest?
About safety, is there anything you should be specially carefull with down there? I am used to Slovakia, wich can be pretty tough in the nightlife, but here they normally let foreigners alone as long as you mind your own busisness. Would be nice to get a overview over the safety aspect down there. As long as you take taxi to and from hotel and RP, you should pretty much be ok? I was also wondering if there was a dress code at RP, and wich currency you pay the ladies of choice with.
As for the escorts site, can anyone who have tried the topmodel and escort-models give some advice if there is anyone on the pictures who really works? Been some contradicting info on this.
As for flirt, I am going through the pages, but it seems like it it can be hit or miss. I am using google translator, and I belive som of the girls get a good laugh when they read my mails. Is it so good at RP, with a lot of 10's, that I should just go there and be happy, and not having the hassel of setting up flirt dates? I must admit there is some real stunners at flirt, but if the RP serves up just as good, its not worth the hassle.Since you are going late dec, January, I assume you are not going to do much walking at night. And if you do, just stick to the well lit up areas in KRESCHATICK, the main street.
I also recommend staying there, or very close to it.
IT just feels safer there, and I did avoid the underpasses at night.
Getting around, is very reasonable, just phone for a taxi, Hunter Dave posted one taxi co No, and the name of a driver, and I used BOCC taxi, and I have the name and no of a driver as well, but he doesn't speak english.
Getting around, should cost you about 30 to 40 uah at night, so it is quite reasonable and safe, but avoid picking up any taxis hanging outside hotels, clubs, and tourist places, they would not move their asses for less than 100 uah.
Once, you find a good taxi driver stick with him, and he will be your guide, and guard at night.
I tried TOP models, and Escorts models, etc, when I was there in early nov, but didn't have much success. Maybe because of the (EPIDEMY as they called it) a lot of the ones, that I wanted were away, and there were fakes, and bait and switch, which I sent away with a taxi fare of 50 uah, since I wanted to reorder from them again, and didn't want to be blacklisted.
I did pick a blond from top models, who had a great body, early twenties, but she was in a rush first time. I got her personal no, and phoned her again, for a second visit, and she was more relaxed.
I had very good experience with an agency from Kiev post, during my first trip, and it was $80 ph. The girl was very attractive, but a brunette, and I go for tanned blondes.
So it is a hit and miss, even with flirt.
IF you want to see the goodies, then a trip to RP, ARENA, Shooters, is the order of the day.
Billy elliot, posted about a strip club, with onsite action (RED LION ART CLUB), which seems to be a very good reasonable option, and in the centre.
Massage parlors, are also places where you can preview and order to your place, and depending on you and the girl, you will get more than a massage.
Perolav,
In Ukraine most people belong to orthodox church and they celebrate Christmas on January 7.
On December 25th Christmas will be celebrated mostly in the western Ukraine,in Kiev not.
I have lived in Kiev for nearly 9 years and I doubt that any forum member has spent as much time in RP as I have. I know most of the girls who go there and had a long term relationship with one of the former regulars. No matter how pleasant the experience you have with one of these girls, no matter how many times she screams with ecstacy, you should know that it's strictly business. My ex told me stories of how the girls would swop tips on how to give out the right sounds to make the punter feel he was really doing something. They are very skilled at making a guy think he's special and different from other men. What they really want is for the man to come as soon as possible so that they can either get back to RP or go home and grab some sleep before they get up in the morning and go to College/University.
If you do find one who wants to meet you in the daytime and starts to sleep with you for free it just means she has chosen you as a possible way to get out the game. Either way it all comes down to business in the end and as long as you bear that in mind you can have a lot of fun at the River Palace.
AColonizer
11-28-09, 17:21
Oh, at last, another wrote the same conclusion: strictly a business!
But you are too romantic, like almost all readers here: out of the dirty game? No!
I knew too many girls who like their men because those men are their pimps!!!
If you want a girl forever, then I strongly suggest to become a pimp and you will have all girls loving you as a god.
But becoming a pimp is very hard, because a pimp has to manage a lot of disgusting trades: prostitution is just the final product of his production process.
I have lived in Kiev for nearly 9 years and I doubt that any forum member has spent as much time in RP as I have. I know most of the girls who go there and had a long term relationship with one of the former regulars. No matter how pleasant the experience you have with one of these girls, no matter how many times she screams with ecstacy, you should know that it's strictly business. My ex told me stories of how the girls would swop tips on how to give out the right sounds to make the punter feel he was really doing something. They are very skilled at making a guy think he's special and different from other men. What they really want is for the man to come as soon as possible so that they can either get back to RP or go home and grab some sleep before they get up in the morning and go to College/University.
If you do find one who wants to meet you in the daytime and starts to sleep with you for free it just means she has chosen you as a possible way to get out the game. Either way it all comes down to business in the end and as long as you bear that in mind you can have a lot of fun at the River Palace.
It is a strip club with about 5 or 6 girls in there (Sat night) which is open very late and does take out. The only problem with it is that everytime a girl dances near you they want a 50 gr tip (only £5) but I found it annoying especially when I was ignoring some of them.
If you go in, look at them sitting in the foyer as you go down the stairs on the left entrance and work out which one you want. Then you can take them out the back and bang that one. They do it with protection but seem good.
You can take out the girls too, am not sure from what time but I think the price was 3, 200 gr (about £300) so it is cheaper to bang them out the back.
When you walk down the corridor you turn left, pay your 100 gr to get and and grab a seat. If you want to bang someone in house it is cheap, but if none of the girls take your fancy then head back out. If you want to take a girl home, then RP seems better.Hi Billy.
Did you actually bang a girl in this club?
And if so, was it I a proper room at the back of the club?
How much did you pay, for one hour?
This is really, a good discovery, and I am tempted to fly back there again, just to try this club, if the price is right for onsite action.
Many thanks
Razkolnikov
11-29-09, 00:30
What they really want is for the man to come as soon as possible so that they can either get back to RP or go home and grab some sleep before they get up in the morning and go to College/University.Obviously you haven't seen Hunter Dave put on his robe and wizard hat, uh, i mean sports coat and loafers. Seriously though, finally a sensible comment on hookers, be it RP girls or any others.
A tip for the lazy ones, grab a table at 2-3 in the night in one of the 24h open restaurants in the streets around arena city. Order drinks, food and wait. Around 3-4 drunk, desperate semi pros who didn't score upstairs begin dropping in to drown their misery in sushi or caesar salads. Getting there early and blocking a few extra seats it basically comes down to refusing people to sit until the right girls ask. Success rate is highest fri-sat.
Razkolnikov
11-29-09, 01:09
Hi Billy.
Did you actually bang a girl in this club?
And if so, was it I a proper room at the back of the club?
How much did you pay, for one hour?
This is really, a good discovery, and I am tempted to fly back there again, just to try this club, if the price is right for onsite action.
Many thanksDon't bother, he wrote 4-800 uah per hour in another post. I doubt it's real, red lion is one of the expensive tourist traps on Kreshatik. Probably was quoted 4-800 for a some form of private dance he confused for sex. Might be possible to take them home though, didn't try.
Billy Elliot
11-29-09, 02:02
She will put a condom on your cock, then blow u, then sit on it and bounce up and down, give it to her doggy on the couch etc for the hour. The cost I can't remember exactly but it was not expensive. I also saw her strip first so I saw exactly what I was getting first.
From memory it was about £80, but is alot cheaper than RP and it was near my hotel at the Rus Hotel so could just walk home later on. There was about 7 women there on Saturday night at about 2am.
It is the same room they do the private dances in at the back of the club, but they shut the curtain and put some lock on it so it can't open up. You can take the woman home but it is expensive. About 3, 200 gr (£240).
As a tip, when you go there you walk up the driveway, then the club is on the left side when you turn left, I only went to that club although there is some other entrance opposite too. The only down side is that the girls when they dance want tips every time of about 50 gr (£4) and to get in is an entrance fee of 100 gr (£7. 50).
Any other questions, let me know.
Billy
Hi Billy.
Did you actually bang a girl in this club?
And if so, was it I a proper room at the back of the club?
How much did you pay, for one hour?
This is really, a good discovery, and I am tempted to fly back there again, just to try this club, if the price is right for onsite action.
Many thanks
Billy Elliot
11-29-09, 02:16
Hey this Superbowl Party sounds cool, r the RP hosting one?
I think you are missing my point.
You start posting reports on this forum like it's the Ruble Crash of '98 and girls are just throwing themselves at anyone with a foreign accent. Or that you are some super smooth operator who has RP girls just running to you begging the moment they see you clear the screen in the disco.
What you fail to mention is that you are working the mid and lower end girls. You try busting a move on a table of 8s or 9s? Where is that report of distinction. ;) What's next, your amazing sucess with the village girls at McD?
In a country full of beautiful girls, they average ones tend to be a bit umm, desperate. Even more so in times of economic fallout. Da Da Da? It does sound like you are having a great time. Enjoy yourself. Just remember to post about it in context.
See you at the ISG Superbowl party at RP? Dr S is buying the hot dogs. :D
IF you want to see the goodies, then a trip to RP, ARENA, Shooters, is the order of the day..Thanks for great info Jojosun.
As for arena and shooters, isn't there a lot of locals girl there also? As ukranian ladies like to dress up the same way, pro or not, isn't it hard to distinguish between the 2 at these places?
Oh, at last, another wrote the same conclusion: strictly a business!
But you are too romantic, like almost all readers here: out of the dirty game? No!
I knew too many girls who like their men because those men are their pimps!!!
If you want a girl forever, then I strongly suggest to become a pimp and you will have all girls loving you as a god.
But becoming a pimp is very hard, because a pimp has to manage a lot of disgusting trades: prostitution is just the final product of his production process.
Sorry Acolonizer but I have to disagree with you on that one, none of the girls I knew at the River Palace were working for pimps. Some of them had boyfriends but in many cases the boyfriend was unaware that his woman was a working girl. I know that sounds unbelievable but never underestimate the guile of a slavic woman.
As for wanting to leave the game most of them most certainly do, not because they hate the business but because they are shrewd enough to realise that their profession has a limited shelf life. As they edge towards 30 the punters become scarcer and the income drops considerably. Like I said in my other post it's all about business.
And I forgot to write from 18-27.
The ones who want to take 27-35 please advise.What you have to realise as well, that a lot your messages on flirt are handeled by call or business centres, who are online to recieve, and send out messages on behalf of the girls.
This was confirmed to me by one girl, that I met through flirt.
Also, you will find, that some girls will use different photos, names, and even prices, this also applies to top models, and models escorts. Com.
I respond and look for the age group 18- 25.
27-35 age group, are mainly looking for relationships, and if the are looking for a sponsor, they will lie about their age, and lower it to attract business.
Jacklesslove
11-29-09, 16:04
Hi Billy.
Did you actually bang a girl in this club?
And if so, was it I a proper room at the back of the club?
How much did you pay, for one hour?
This is really, a good discovery, and I am tempted to fly back there again, just to try this club, if the price is right for onsite action.
Many thanksI actually checked out this place
100 grivna to get in
I was quoted 1600 grivna to bang a girl for one hour in one of their rooms or take out to my apartment
400 grivna for a private lap dance for 2 songs
The ladies were average to above average, but I did not find any stunners
I ended up getting a private lap dance for 400 grivna with a 20 yr old brunnete
Pretty Expensive
Jacklesslove
11-29-09, 16:15
Checked out Rio Strip Club on Sat Night at around 1:00 am
Good selection of girls.
Many of them had natural perky tits, perfect 10 butt and not an inch of fat on their waist.
100 grivna to get in.
50 grivna tip for dancer if she dances at your table.
200 grivna for a private dance.
I was interested in this 20 yr old tall, blue eyed brunnete girl for take out.
Too bad it was her first day at work and she was available for a lap dance only, no "intim service".
Ended up getting a lap dance with a blond who was also available for take out for $300 for 2 hrs with no BBBJ or kissing.
I ended up getting a lap dance only and called it a night.
Jacklesslove
11-29-09, 16:24
Checked out RP Tuesday/Wednesday Night.
Good selection of girls and not those many patrons.
60 grivna to get in.
Got myself seated and checked out the talent, many would go on the dance floor and gyrate.
Talked with a few ladies at the bar. Almost all quoted $300 to start with and came down to $200 for 2 hrs.
On the first night I banged an authentic 25 yr old Russian girl, slim with bob cut, she was pretty drunk on the way out and ended up staying at my place till noon.
On Wednesday, banged a 20 yrd old blonde dressed in a mini skirt.
Luckily for me, I got BBBJ's on both nights and anal on the first night, but this could have been because the lady was drunk.
I think I went thrice on both nights.
Although Wednesday night would have to be hotter, this girl even called me a sex maaniac, haha.
Explorer69
11-29-09, 17:58
Hello, the notorious Mytery Tramp is now on internet!
http://kievescortlady.com/lenakievescortmodel.php.
Or is it somebody using her photos?
AColonizer
11-29-09, 20:27
Yes, I agree with you for almost all. You forgot the FIRST rule in Slavic world: no trust anyone.
I had some similar experiences.
Slavic women call their men as friends, lovers, boyfriends, husbands or etc., but if Slavic women are prostitutes, it is logic their men are no less than pimps.
Maybe those men want their women are prostitutes, maybe those men are indifferent their women are prostitutes, maybe those men don't want to know their women are prostitutes, but in all cases those men fuck their women for free and get money by them, therefore in all cases those men are pimps.
Or, from a Western point of view, if you are the boyfriend, then are you so stupid not to understand your girlfriend fuck a lot of men besides you?
This lifestyle was more common in the past (the famous "warm blankets for hotel customers") and it is still existing at the present. This is one of the biggest cultural difference between Western and Eastern Europe.
So what happens? Woman says her man doesn't know about her prostitution, man says her woman is not a prostitute, both of them just to show a good appearance of their relationship to the outer world, but both of them want money only and they never matter about prostitution.
Sorry Acolonizer but I have to disagree with you on that one, none of the girls I knew at the River Palace were working for pimps. Some of them had boyfriends but in many cases the boyfriend was unaware that his woman was a working girl. I know that sounds unbelievable but never underestimate the guile of a slavic woman.
As for wanting to leave the game most of them most certainly do, not because they hate the business but because they are shrewd enough to realise that their profession has a limited shelf life. As they edge towards 30 the punters become scarcer and the income drops considerably. Like I said in my other post it's all about business.
I actually checked out this place
100 grivna to get in
I was quoted 1600 grivna to bang a girl for one hour in one of their rooms or take out to my apartment
400 grivna for a private lap dance for 2 songs
The ladies were average to above average, but I did not find any stunners
I ended up getting a private lap dance for 400 grivna with a 20 yr old brunnete
Pretty ExpensiveMany thanks for your reply.
I thought Billy Elliot, quoted 400 to 800 grevnas to bang the girl in the club. And 300 dollars for take out.
1600 is bloody expensive, that is $200, or £123.
And the lap dance for 400 grivnas?
Thanks for great info Jojosun.
As for arena and shooters, isn't there a lot of locals girl there also? As ukranian ladies like to dress up the same way, pro or not, isn't it hard to distinguish between the 2 at these places?If they are working, you will get the looks and more than a hint.
Also check the massage places, some of the girl students working there, are up to it, if it is on an outcall basis in your place, and if they like you.
She will put a condom on your cock, then blow u, then sit on it and bounce up and down, give it to her doggy on the couch etc for the hour. The cost I can't remember exactly but it was not expensive. I also saw her strip first so I saw exactly what I was getting first.
From memory it was about £80, but is alot cheaper than RP and it was near my hotel at the Rus Hotel so could just walk home later on. There was about 7 women there on Saturday night at about 2am.
. You can take the woman home but it is expensive. About 3, 200 gr (£240).
As a tip, when you go there you walk up the driveway, then the club is on the left side when you turn left, I only went to that club although there is some other entrance opposite too. The only down side is that the girls when they dance want tips every time of about 50 gr (£4) and to get in is an entrance fee of 100 gr (£7. 50).
Any other questions, let me know.
BillyMany thanks, just read your reply.
So, now we have 2 quotes £80, and 1600 grivnas. #
£80 for one hour, with a stripper is pretty good.
It would be within walking distance to my hotel as well.
Yes, I am like you, I like to see what I am getting first.
Billy Elliot
11-30-09, 01:28
Actually thanks for clarifying, so it is £120 to bang a girl out the back for an hour, not £80 which I think I had down. I was pissed as a mute at the time but I thought two of the girls were pretty hot, but maybe it was the alcohol talking!
I actually checked out this place
100 grivna to get in
I was quoted 1600 grivna to bang a girl for one hour in one of their rooms or take out to my apartment
400 grivna for a private lap dance for 2 songs
The ladies were average to above average, but I did not find any stunners
I ended up getting a private lap dance for 400 grivna with a 20 yr old brunnete
Pretty Expensive
Billy Elliot
11-30-09, 01:34
Planning to hit up the RP on Friday night, planning to arrive at about midnight.
Anyone heading there then I might see u there.
Checked out RP Tuesday/Wednesday Night.
Good selection of girls and not those many patrons.
60 grivna to get in.
Got myself seated and checked out the talent, many would go on the dance floor and gyrate.
Talked with a few ladies at the bar. Almost all quoted $300 to start with and came down to $200 for 2 hrs.
On the first night I banged an authentic 25 yr old Russian girl, slim with bob cut, she was pretty drunk on the way out and ended up staying at my place till noon.
On Wednesday, banged a 20 yrd old blonde dressed in a mini skirt.
Luckily for me, I got BBBJ's on both nights and anal on the first night, but this could have been because the lady was drunk.
I think I went thrice on both nights.
Although Wednesday night would have to be hotter, this girl even called me a sex maaniac, haha.
True words of wisdom from Mr. T, after all that crap from HD.
The Yakatori chain is great spot for waiting for club girls (pros, semi and freebies) after the clubs close. Also the various Double Coffees are a good pick too.
Obviously you haven't seen Hunter Dave put on his robe and wizard hat, uh, i mean sports coat and loafers. Seriously though, finally a sensible comment on hookers, be it RP girls or any others.
A tip for the lazy ones, grab a table at 2-3 in the night in one of the 24h open restaurants in the streets around arena city. Order drinks, food and wait. Around 3-4 drunk, desperate semi pros who didn't score upstairs begin dropping in to drown their misery in sushi or caesar salads. Getting there early and blocking a few extra seats it basically comes down to refusing people to sit until the right girls ask. Success rate is highest fri-sat.
I was at RP in 2005 for the Superbowl, Arena City 2006, RP in 2007 and RP in 2008 - in 2008 they did actually have a party downstairs which not too many people showed up to. Americans are quite the minority in Kyiv even more so those that want to be up from 2-6am on a monday morning. :) I was in Iraq last year for the Superbowl :(.
There is a 90% chance I'll be at RP for the 2010 Superbowl! yah! :D
Hey this Superbowl Party sounds cool, r the RP hosting one?
She's going to Istanbul?! Ewwwwwwwwwwwww (where's the puking smiley?)
Hello, the notorious Mytery Tramp is now on internet!
http://kievescortlady.com/lenakievescortmodel.php.
Or is it somebody using her photos?
Jacklesslove
11-30-09, 09:14
Anybody had a good experience with Apartment Girls, please PM me.
I'm looking for one that has women between 18-24 yrs, non-english girls are cool with me.
I recently found one through mamba, checked out their place which is about 10 min from downtown Kiev by cab.
You go to their place, pick a girl and then bring her to your apartment.
Its a good option during the day when clubs are generally closed.
First time I saw a 20 yr blonde slim blonde.
Paid 700 grivna to the madam, also paid 300 grivna to the girl for BBBJ + kissing.
Typical ukraninan blonde with full luscious lips, blue eyes and silky blonde hair, very little english but who cares.
Second time I saw a blonde again, she was 24 yrs old, this time I did not speak about additional services.
Bought the girl home, initiated with kiss, she was a little reluctant at first but then loosened up a gave really good dfk + BBBJ + classic sex.
Paid 700 grivna + 20 griva for cab.
Actually thanks for clarifying, so it is £120 to bang a girl out the back for an hour, not £80 which I think I had down. I was pissed as a mute at the time but I thought two of the girls were pretty hot, but maybe it was the alcohol talking!Why, don't you check club TIXI OMUT, on the other side of the river?
hello, the notorious mytery tramp is now on internet!
http://kievescortlady.com/lenakievescortmodel.php.
or is it somebody using her photos?
surely it’s she in the pics! i mean alesia or olessia… she is not going on her home page in flirt/mamba since more than a month!
there are some may be wrong things in the ad…
she is far less than 170 and 50 kg and obviously not 88/60/90…. a- cup or les, and probably 46 kg or so, 165 approx very skinny as you see in the photos… by the way:
- very reluctant to cof, cim no problem if drunk enough
- in the last years absolutely no anal and no toys!
- eyes are not really blue…
- pics are some time heavily photoshopped and from different periods as you see i have even a pic with the same dressing! miniskirt and rosa…
- the tour in istanbul seems very strange (of course no visa needed), but she is by far away from the local middle east beauty standards… 10 kg more and a c cup! ;)
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then 500 € a night! it’s 750 usd… you can get her for 300 and she was in need of money…
i enclose four original (non photoshopped pics) so you can see how slim she is (at least 30 seniors here know well)…
i was playing the game of the raped waitress… :p
in the mt 4 photo you well see the main engine, (still dry) one, and one of the best characteristic of mt is still the wet swollen **** lips like a funnel in directing your cock…. the other one is of course the other lips, when you connect them to your cock (and she is drunk enough, a bottle of chianti… for a 46 kg girl!) it’s like a vacuum cleaner… despite what bez is saying on the rollover of the cock-odo-meter the **** is not worn out!
one of her last messages… when she made herself called as marina
Марина 6 feb 2009 04:08
hello! you every time promise but dont doo! where this men who need my number? you say he go to kiev,when he com? i so much need money. river palase closad fore me. i need to find work but its not ease now. can you doo more edvertising of me in this site? maby more people vont to met! please halp! i vont to say beeg sorry you doo edvertisink, halp me and i do fore you bed thinks. thenks!!! with empatiense veit unswer!:-)
a friend was going to kiev, but may be he found another…
her known address http://flirt.com.ua/sweetmail-a5346/
the grammar is so so but it’s she… told me the number was the same… and the price would be 300 usd a day due, i suppose, to the crisis…
if you do some proper internet search…
http://www.adoos.com.tr/post/9756906/_aa_aa_aa_absolutely_beautiful_lady_for_you_right
http://www.one-escort.com/detail.php?n=5606&pic=5
http://www.**********.com/detail/ukrainebeautiesescorts-10-25827.php
http://www.adoos.com.tr/post/9721539/b_e_a_u_t_i_f_u_l_acentayenacent_d_e_l_i_c_i_o_u_s
so may be she is going up and down from istanbul… no idea.
only one if it’s she and she is doing anal now (just did once with great discomfort), and we know all she is swallowing, may be the next time in kiev… i could take her anally and cum on her face… and feed her with a tea spoon… if it’s true…. but not for that sum!!!
:p
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Onlysurvivor
12-01-09, 19:42
FYI, River Palace Got Raided? Maybe forgot to pay the local Sheriff?
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/city/detail/53717/
Anyone know more about it?
AColonizer
12-02-09, 02:50
The Ukraine is much more than Alessia alias MT.
The Ukraine is much more than Alessia alias MT.
But she should have a room at Boryspol for a warm welcome! :D :D :D
IT
FYI, River Palace Got Raided? Maybe forgot to pay the local Sheriff?
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/city/detail/53717/
Anyone know more about it?So, which way prices ,will swing now at RP?
I am in Kiev for already 10 days and I had so so time with free of charge girls from other trips. So so means that since they are free of charge they come only when they are in the mood or need some action from tested sources, and feel free to cancel an appointment 2 hours before for any reasons.
Given the above, yesterday afternoon I was completely free and without any foreseeble action for the night and decided to test some new easy hunt in mamba. I almost always avoid advertised prostitutes, I go for the sponsor types. Long story short after many messages and several discussions with girls more interested and food and gifts that straight meetings, I found a seemingly new face and anketa, with a girl really nice and even able to communicate on several topics.
So I decide to call her, we speak 5 minutes, she assures me that it's her in the photo, that she is just in need of extra cash and bla bla bla. I offer max 100$ for 2 hours, my place. She refuses. Ok, I will not offer anything more. Conversation ended. 10 min passes and she write me a message: ok, agreed 100$. I tell her the address and she says she will arrive in 15 min. After 15 min she calls me and says "sorry I'll be late 20 minutes. " I wait half hour and she calls again: "I'm almost there". She ment another 10 min.
When she calls again and I go to open the building's door, I see something strange. Height is as expected, similar type of the girl in the photo but not her. And without makeup, many pimples on the face, and bad attitude. While she enters the podezd I stare at her and say: "maybe you have to see someone else, not me? ". She looks strange, with a cruel and stupid expression. "what does it mean? ". I said: you know, I was waiting for a good girl that looks like you but is not you and she is very nice, I talked with her 10 min ago and she was smiling, I'm surely not waiting for you". She doesn't understand and says "the dispatcher told me this address. ". Yes baby, that's why it's not you whom I am waiting for. I tell her to call the dispatcher. They talk on the phone, she explains the situation. Then looks at me and says "I go home, please give me taxi money". I tell her "please give me back 2 hours of my life". She looks at me badly and walks away.
This situation really pissed me off because it means that now dispatchers are even willing to enter long conversations with customers in order to cheat them better. It's the first time it happens to me, I'm puzzled.
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Freebie Sevman
12-02-09, 14:30
Last summer in Kyiv for my friend's birthday I was scoping out a 'shit-hole' park near a McDonald's and Darnytsa metro. It is amazing the success one can have. Sitting in the sun I spot a sweet little thing befriending the old man collecting bottles.
So I head over to give the man my empty and congratulate her on being nice. She has some english so I invite her to chat over with me. NO!
So I go and get another beer and sit across the walkway from her. I smile, she smiles. Soon she gets up and starts to walk by, I say stop, sit and she does. Soon I invite her to nearby open cafe. This gal goes wild on the vodka!
A small plate of fruit, juice and more vodka! And she is smiling, flirting. And I am closing in! She wants more vodka, ok. But you have to agree to come to my apartment? She agrees.
Later we get to my apartment and she wants more. So ok, I have visions of 'drunk girl sex'! Ha ha
Next thing I know she is passed out. Totally out.
I carry her to the bed and now WTF, I can't leave? I have no internet. So I drink and watch Russian TV.
2 hours later I wake her and she is 'freaked'. I mean she wanted out of there!
5 in the afternoon and I was 'shutout'! Oh well!
Bez Bezarra
12-02-09, 17:53
the mt tour in istanbul seems very strange.
despite what bez is saying on the rollover of her cock-odo-meter, the mt vazheen is not worn out!
you could write +100,000 posts on one scabby skaggy skeeve.
ukrainian prostitutes trafficked to turkey for sex tours, to fuck at least 20 per day turk, chechen, african, asian, armenian, azeri, georgian, iranian, iraqi, pakistani, afghani, kurdish, or arab businessmen visiting istanbul, for highest or lowest prices is not very strange at all, its been quite common for many years. its only strange to you because you don't understand the sex traffic business.
and i never said she was worn out. i only said that after 10 straight years of non-stop no-waiting high-volume servicing low-life horny soldiers and drunken disgusting truck drivers, she's had over a million bareback dicks splooging hot thick loads into her, so only a truly sick creepy dirtbag that wants to get infected with her mysterious mutation diseases would want to fuck her now.
as long as you, and the next million desperate-for-sex buttfucker camel jockeys keep queuing up, to taste her fermented crotch yogurt and plug her bleeding sores, and as long as her rectum doesn't completely fall right out in one huge hemorrhoid, the kopeks will keep adding up. ka-ching!
it doesn't matter if you'll forever keep dreaming about her oozing stinky gash of crusty kooz effluence. there's nothing wrong with that, its just really sad.
if the viruses, tumors, and bacterial fistulas haven't completely eaten through from her rectum to your brain stem by the year 2019, you'll still be posting how she got you drunk enough to drink her bukakke diarrhea when she gang-raped your anus with a gigantic strap-on vibra-dildo.
by the way, how 'bout sharing those fotos? :p
Doctor_Skank
12-02-09, 19:17
Last summer in Kyiv for my friend's birthday I was scoping out a 'shit-hole' park near a McDonald's and Darnytsa metro. It is amazing the success one can have. Sitting in the sun I spot a sweet little thing befriending the old man collecting bottles.
I know all Slavic girls can be categorized into about 8 clone types, but she does look familiar.
Name isn't Anna or Anya, is it?
Norwegianguy
12-02-09, 19:43
So, which way prices, will swing now at RP?As far as I can understand I guess the prices the talent in RP quotes will survive this too. They will just move around a lill. Many has allready moved to other clubs like Buddha.
But I guess the rumour that the loveferry is on its way to the sundown is maybe getting closer to be true.
Many working girls talked about this for months.
Anyway I think its still no problem find the girls if you look around a lill. And prices will stay high for long time. But seems like their not high enough. We still keep going back. Don't we?
I will go back in Kiev for my 8. Time this year soon.
I met Marta last year. She was there on top-models last month as well. She is not there anymore and of course phone contacts doesn't work. Is there anyway to find her? I will appreciate any help.
This situation really pissed me off because it means that now dispatchers are even willing to enter long conversations with customers in order to cheat them better. It's the first time it happens to me, I'm puzzled.I joined the club first time I arrived in Kiev in sept09.
Checked the ads in Kiev post, phoned the no on the ad, for a beautiful. English speaking girl, and carry on with a long conversation with this girl.
Arranged the meeting, girl arrives on time, sure enough beautiful, but the voice is different.
So I cross examine her, and she tries to tell me it was her, quoting some sentences of my conversation on the phone.
But when I told her I don't give a shit. Who she is, because I am going to fuck her anyway, she confesses, it was her female dispatcher I was speaking to.
I phoned up next day and the very nice dispatcher confesses, but tells me she can't see me. Because she is the boss.
But I like fucking female bosses, says I?
I am married, she says. Ok come and meet for coffee, I reply.
But I was too busy to meet her, but now we are phone friends, and she knows, what I like.
Freebie Sevman
12-03-09, 05:14
I can't even remember the name from last night..
But it seems to me she said Sveta? Or Yulia, ahh. You almost can't go wrong with Olga!
Maybe your right, but she was not the type to be in your 'neck of the woods'.
Fairly 'low-rent', 'trailer-trash', but she did know Cruiser D!
you could write +100,000 posts on one scabby skaggy skeeve.
ukrainian prostitutes trafficked to turkey for sex tours, to fuck at least 20 per day turk, chechen, african, asian, armenian, azeri, georgian, iranian, iraqi, pakistani, afghani, kurdish, or arab businessmen visiting istanbul, for highest or lowest prices is not very strange at all, its been quite common for many years. its only strange to you because you don't understand the sex traffic business.
and i never said she was worn out. i only said that after 10 straight years of non-stop no-waiting high-volume servicing low-life horny soldiers and drunken disgusting truck drivers, she's had over a million bareback dicks splooging hot thick loads into her, so only a truly sick creepy dirtbag that wants to get infected with her mysterious mutation diseases would want to fuck her now.
as long as you, and the next million desperate-for-sex buttfucker camel jockeys keep queuing up, to taste her fermented crotch yogurt and plug her bleeding sores, and as long as her rectum doesn't completely fall right out in one huge hemorrhoid, the kopeks will keep adding up. ka-ching!
it doesn't matter if you'll forever keep dreaming about her oozing stinky gash of crusty kooz effluence. there's nothing wrong with that, its just really sad.
if the viruses, tumors, and bacterial fistulas haven't completely eaten through from her rectum to your brain stem by the year 2019, you'll still be posting how she got you drunk enough to drink her bukakke diarrhea when she gang-raped your anus with a gigantic strap-on vibra-dildo.
by the way, how 'bout sharing those fotos? :p
ah ah ah ah really funny bez....
i was sure you would answer!
it
Full Frontal
12-03-09, 09:56
It,
This girl, on pix, seems not very ukrainian. But I have seen much more on pictures than in the real life.
Jacklesslove
12-03-09, 10:49
Checked out an Apartment girl again.
This one was a fresh 19 yr old blonde, very pretty with perky tits, nice little ass and a small pink pussy.
She was very sensitive and trembled like crazy with DATY/dato.
Paid 700 grivna.
Asked how much she gets out of it.
Seems like 300 grivna.
Got her number to bang her another time for less.
Lets see if that happens.
I joined the club first time I arrived in Kiev in sept09.
Checked the ads in Kiev post, phoned the no on the ad, for a beautiful. English speaking girl, and carry on with a long conversation with this girl.
Arranged the meeting, girl arrives on time, sure enough beautiful, but the voice is different.
So I cross examine her, and she tries to tell me it was her, quoting some sentences of my conversation on the phone.
But when I told her I don't give a shit. Who she is, because I am going to fuck her anyway, she confesses, it was her female dispatcher I was speaking to.
I phoned up next day and the very nice dispatcher confesses, but tells me she can't see me. Because she is the boss.
But I like fucking female bosses, says I?
I am married, she says. Ok come and meet for coffee, I reply.
But I was too busy to meet her, but now we are phone friends, and she knows, what I like.The girl that was sent to me, claims she never met the dispatcher, or the the boss.
But, how do you send the money to them?. I ask?
I just put it in their bank account. Her reply.
Strange, so who vets the girls?
So everyone is trying to cover their tracks well.
It,
This girl, on pix, seems not very ukrainian. But I have seen much more on pictures than in the real life.
MT is a little bit tanned, and noth the pale white blondinka we espect, but more than 30 Seniors and Regulars here can guarantee you she is Ukranian... :D :D :D :D (I mean that more than 30 memebers here drilled her!)
IT
The girl that was sent to me, claims she never met the dispatcher, or the the boss.
But, how do you send the money to them?. I ask?
I just put it in their bank account. Her reply.
Strange, so who vets the girls?
So everyone is trying to cover their tracks well.One time a girl who was working as individualka told me that the business is extremely simple. Someone finds 3-4 desperate girls and rent a flat. Then they go there in the morning or whenever their shift starts and there they sit waiting for customers sent by the dispatcher. The dispatcher is not necessary the owner of the business, could be just a girl with a nice voice who answers the phone.
Some girls accept also to visit customers, so sometimes the dispatcher take the info of customer's address and then call the girl.
The girls who accept this situation are usually at the lowest level in the prostitution ladder because they receive no protection, they have no freedom and they must give back a big portion of the fee. Moreover, if they reside in a fixed location, they usually have to offer a subbotnik every week or 2 to some local policemen.
When they realize it, usually they learn how to use internet by themselves, gather in 2 or 3 (just to have more coverage during the day and mutual support in case of troubles) and start the business. Everything is extremely volatile and I don't think there are many apartments who work long time, maybe just few all around Kiev (I always see advertisements of an apartment with older and fatter women in Podol, many of them, with extremely low prices like 350 gr per hour, it must be a long term, low scale establishment)
Hi,
I am going into Kiev the 23 of December for a week.
I see now that they have changed the amount you can bring into the the country to 10. 000 euro and it says on the goverment site. "By oral declaration"
http://www.customs.gov.ua/dmsu/control/en/publish/article?Art_id=1093966&cat_id=1093808
Anyone passed the boarder recently, and know if the rules changed as per the site. Should I still declear the cash brought in on a declaration form, and where do you get this form?
Thanks in advance
Hmm, the Kyivstone police recently raided RP. Why? Because anyone with ears and a pulse in the Ukraine know it's where girls go to prostitute themselves. But yet the Kyiv police are playing it like RP opened yesterday. How did they know to arrest all the girls there - because everyone knows, except the Kyiv Police who found out a week before the raid...wink wink..smile.
More importantly, Doc, where are we going to hold the annual ISG Superbowl Ho Down? Bhudda Bar? Yeah, don't think so....
Doctor_Skank
12-05-09, 00:17
Hmm, the Kyivstone police recently raided RP. Why? Because anyone with ears and a pulse in the Ukraine know it's where girls go to prostitute themselves. But yet the Kyiv police are playing it like RP opened yesterday. How did they know to arrest all the girls there - because everyone knows, except the Kyiv Police who found out a week before the raid...wink wink..smile.
More importantly, Doc, where are we going to hold the annual ISG Superbowl Ho Down? Bhudda Bar? Yeah, don't think so....It better be RP, or we get a bottle of Jack, livestream and a couple of hos to blow us between downs... and then get ass rocked by us at halftime. :)
Billy Elliot
12-05-09, 00:20
Is it closing down now or just a one off so the coppers look like they are doing something, and then the next day it goes back to normal?
Will be in Kyiv next Fri, Sat and Sun night staying next to Arena, figure the club should be handy as well as everything else being close by.
Hmm, the Kyivstone police recently raided RP. Why? Because anyone with ears and a pulse in the Ukraine know it's where girls go to prostitute themselves. But yet the Kyiv police are playing it like RP opened yesterday. How did they know to arrest all the girls there - because everyone knows, except the Kyiv Police who found out a week before the raid...wink wink..smile.
More importantly, Doc, where are we going to hold the annual ISG Superbowl Ho Down? Bhudda Bar? Yeah, don't think so....
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Hmm, the Kyivstone police recently raided RP. Why? Because anyone with ears and a pulse in the Ukraine know it's where girls go to prostitute themselves. But yet the Kyiv police are playing it like RP opened yesterday. How did they know to arrest all the girls there. Because everyone knows, except the Kyiv Police who found out a week before the raid. Wink wink. Smile.
I live in far east Ukraine, last wek I seen news clips of this raid on 5 News, nice looking girls were all loaded in a bus, a fairly attractive black girl was yelling and screaming in Russian "I not work as a prostitute, ' she was hearded in the bus anyway. I think maybe a few thing could be in play, the upcomming election and more of a factor is this group called Femme, I seen the head of this group on? Live (shuster) about a month ago, funny girl, she was wearing a tee shirt that said 'FUCK OFF' she gave a 15-20 minute talk at the opening of her segment, all she really said over and over again is Ukraine is a Bordello and sex tourists are bad, she has the eyes and ears of the movers and shakers in this country, people are listening to her, if this country was smart they would just legalize it, tax it and collect some revenue from it, do it in a manner like Colombia, but this will never happen, the politicans like the pay offs and free sex too much.
Timmy the group is called FEMEN just to know.
This raid is connected with elections next month. Yanukovich uses a strong language about prostitution and he said when he becomes the president he'll shut it down starting with that boat in Kiev first.
Even in campaing they use "sex scandals" to attack each other.
Also EU 2-3 days ago stated Ukraine is not a serious partner because of the gas transfer problems and crime and prostitution where government does nothing to prevent it.
So maybe after January Kiev can not be candy shop any more?
Doubt but there can be decrease in offer and increase in price.
Hi,
I am going into Kiev the 23 of December for a week.
I see now that they have changed the amount you can bring into the the country to 10. 000 euro and it says on the goverment site. "By oral declaration"
http://www.customs.gov.ua/dmsu/control/en/publish/article?Art_id=1093966&cat_id=1093808
Anyone passed the boarder recently, and know if the rules changed as per the site. Should I still declear the cash brought in on a declaration form, and where do you get this form?
Thanks in advancePerolav.
The girls of kiev ,will be at the airport to meet and greet you ,with all the cash you are taking there for a week.
Checked out an Apartment girl again.
This one was a fresh 19 yr old blonde, very pretty with perky tits, nice little ass and a small pink pussy.
She was very sensitive and trembled like crazy with DATY/dato.
Paid 700 grivna.
Asked how much she gets out of it.
Seems like 300 grivna.
Got her number to bang her another time for less.
Lets see if that happens.Slightly off subject here.
I the only time I visited a girl in her apartment in poland, was in szcecin.
I was barely there 5 minutes, when the place got raided by the police.
Good job I was with a Polish friend, and all they did was check our ids and let us go.
So since this experience, I never visited apts in EE countries.
But reading your posts, it seems a good idea to have a quick look around them and select one to take back to your place.
My question. Do you keep a taxi driver waiting for you? What is your mode of transport for going round to see the girls?
I don't fancy the idea of going to apts out of the centre, and then find myself stuck in a strange place.
I know the price for a taxi for about 2 or 3 hours with waiting, is about 176 grivnas.
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Timmy the group is called FEMEN just to know.
This raid is connected with elections next month. Yanukovich uses a strong language about prostitution and he said when he becomes the president he'll shut it down starting with that boat in Kiev first.
Even in campaing they use "sex scandals" to attack each other.
Also EU 2-3 days ago stated Ukraine is not a serious partner because of the gas transfer problems and crime and prostitution where government does nothing to prevent it.
So maybe after January Kiev can not be candy shop any more?
Doubt but there can be decrease in offer and increase in price.They can increase their prices, but I doubt if they are going to get more custom, unless the monger can't get a similar standard girl in his home country.
Been few times to RP but I was determined not to pay the evening dollars they were quoting there.
Now, I am even less worried, WHY?
Last night I had a fantastic session with an english stunner in london, on a par or even better than RP girls, in a Top class apt, on a very central up market st in london, for the grand sum of £60 for half hour = 780 grivnas. $98.
In other parlours for $132 ph, you get 2 pops, with some really attractive girls.
With the advantage, that no further expenses like buying drinks or paying taxi fares, and no rip offs.
What you see on the web site here is what you get.
And with lady marmalade parties, and the hidden gems of soho, along with hudreds of parlours all at competitive prices, I for one couldn't care less about RIVER PALACE.
The london sex scene from a mongers point of view, owe it to the influx of EE girls mainly Polish, who have turned london now into a buyers market.
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Jacklesslove
12-06-09, 05:52
I basically call one of the cab companies and ask for a round trip price back to my apt, since I'm going to come home anyways with or without a girl.
I usually got quoted 40 grivnas + 0. 2 /min(waiting time).
I go check out the girls real quick, have them dress and off we go.
There are also other kinds of apt girls where they have their own cars with drivers, so the girl won't ride with you, but would meet you at your place directly.
I like the former kind, because you get to be a little sexy in the car, then in the lift and so on.
[QUOTE=Jojosun]Slightly off subject here.
My question. Do you keep a taxi driver waiting for you? What is your mode of transport for going round to see the girls?
I don't fancy the idea of going to apts out of the centre, and then find myself stuck in a strange place.
From what I have gathered the ownership of RP has changed thus has the protection. Especially the $ aspect of it. Could be true could be false thats just what I have heard from what I consider reputable people (at least in the UA aspect of things).
I basically call one of the cab companies and ask for a round trip price back to my apt, since I'm going to come home anyways with or without a girl.
I usually got quoted 40 grivnas + 0. 2 /min(waiting time).
Thanks for the reply.
Re taxi, care to give the name of this taxi co?
Sounds good, because the taxi co, that I used charge 0. 5 /min waiting time, so yours seems cheaper.
Yes a very good idea yours, you get to inspect the goodies, and a bit of flirting, and the a welcome change of scenery for the girls.
Timmy the group is called FEMEN just to know.
This raid is connected with elections next month. Yanukovich uses a strong language about prostitution and he said when he becomes the president he'll shut it down starting with that boat in Kiev first.
Even in campaing they use "sex scandals" to attack each other.
Also EU 2-3 days ago stated Ukraine is not a serious partner because of the gas transfer problems and crime and prostitution where government does nothing to prevent it.
So maybe after January Kiev can not be candy shop any more?
Doubt but there can be decrease in offer and increase in price.
I heard a rumour about this new elections and the intentions of the new government to get closer to Russia rather than the west (US), even to start demanding visas again to Americans, does anybody knows something about?
I go through flirt almost on a daily basis.
What did you put on your profile?
Ie, are you looking for just SEX? Looking to sponsor?
Then, when you respond to someone, who is looking for a sponsor, all you need to do is put the following
$$$?
TELEPHONE NO?.
This is the quickest way to get a responce, and you don't need a translator.
I do not bother with, what looks like dating, love, marriage etc.
You realize, that your profile gets linked to your reponse to an ad automatically.
So the answers you get wiil depend on your profile, and what are you looking for.
I had great success with flirt, but then I should, because I am paying for the fucking thing in it.
For example you would pay attention a profile of a girl that state the following???? even though she is not looking for a sponsor specifically??
Purpose of dating:
friendship and contacts;
marriage, family;
house rent;
regular sex;
Appointment
I shall meet that :
go to cinema;
have a sex;
I heard a rumour about this new elections and the intentions of the new government to get closer to Russia rather than the west (US), even to start demanding visas again to Americans, does anybody knows something about?I hope it is true. It will mean, much better prices for(us) western mongers.
With every crises there is a silver lining.
Closer to the west means one thing, on the road to the European union and western prices.
For example you would pay attention a profile of a girl that state the following???? even though she is not looking for a sponsor specifically??
Purpose of dating:
friendship and contacts;
marriage, family;
house rent;
regular sex;
Appointment
I shall meet that :
go to cinema;
have a sex;No I don't pay attention, when marriage, family etc is mentioned, ie I don't respond to such a profile.
This is not what I am looking for.
I hope it is true. It will mean, much better prices for(us) western mongers.
With every crises there is a silver lining.
Closer to the west means one thing, on the road to the European union and western prices.
I remember what happened to Czech Republic and Estonia ......
Freebie Sevman
12-07-09, 21:25
No I don't pay attention, when marriage, family etc is mentioned, ie I don't respond to such a profile.
This is not what I am looking for.You need to remember that these girls / women do not ever want friends, family, others to know that they might like to fuck!
They will put up a profile that looks like a family girl. But fire a sexy offer to them and they will bite!
Plus, even the so called good girls that do want a real relationship will jump at a chance for a 'fling'.
Trust me on this.
Billy Elliot
12-08-09, 08:56
Can someone tell me the address of Rio Strip Club?
I will be in Kyiv this weekend and want to check out some of the other clubs.
Jacklesslove
12-08-09, 10:30
Thanks for the reply.
Re taxi, care to give the name of this taxi co?
Sounds good, because the taxi co, that I used charge 0. 5 /min waiting time, so yours seems cheaper.
Yes a very good idea yours, you get to inspect the goodies, and a bit of flirting, and the a welcome change of scenery for the girls.0444996565
They do have an English dispatcher during daytime.
You need to remember that these girls / women do not ever want friends, family, others to know that they might like to fuck!
They will put up a profile that looks like a family girl. But fire a sexy offer to them and they will bite!
Plus, even the so called good girls that do want a real relationship will jump at a chance for a 'fling'.
Trust me on this.Ok, I go to Kiev for a few days at a time, to hook up with stunners (age group18 to 25) at a good price, of the type, that I can't find in london.
But the ones, who advertise, in the category non p4p, are not going to jump into bed with me, within the limited time, that I have in Kiev, without being wined and dined and clubbed.
This is, if they agree to go out in the first place, and if they do, the sky will be the limit for expenses etc, demands, which defeats the object of finding stunning p4p at affordable prices
I am single at present mid forties, and the age group that I go for is 18 to 25.
Hello all,
Arena beer bar has a new manageress who has decided to make some changes so there are no working girls allowed in anymore. Budda bar has become their office I hear but I don't go there myself.
RP 2 Saturday nights ago had 10 girls and 5 male customers following the raid. Price quoted was $500. Ukraine school of economics!
After following the board here, mayby it could be an idea to make a new main group called freebies, low cost mongering or something, where people into this could discuss their game.
As I see it now, the forum is more about arguing than discussing and sharing information.
Can someone tell me the address of Rio Strip Club?
I will be in Kyiv this weekend and want to check out some of the other clubs.Just tell the taxi co, they should be able to locate it.
Just off kreschatick.
0444996565
They do have an English dispatcher during daytime.Thank you.
You need to remember that these girls / women do not ever want friends, family, others to know that they might like to fuck!
They will put up a profile that looks like a family girl. But fire a sexy offer to them and they will bite!
Plus, even the so called good girls that do want a real relationship will jump at a chance for a 'fling'.
Trust me on this.I trust you, but can I trust the blondekas, not to come up with a sob story later, about her mother or grand mother, needing an eye operation costing $10,000?
The story, that was told to you?
Hello, all,
Arena beer bar has a new manageress who has decided to make some changes so there are no working girls allowed in anymore. Budda bar has become their office I hear but I don't go there myself.
RP 2 Saturday nights ago had 10 girls and 5 male customers following the raid. Price quoted was $500. Ukraine school of economics!So this means, no working girls at all at arena?
Any update on buddha bar, or any reports from where the ladies currently are working from after rp raid is much appreciated.
Ok, I go to Kiev for a few days at a time, to hook up with stunners (age group18 to 25) at a good price, of the type, that I can't find in london.
But the ones, who advertise, in the category non p4p, are not going to jump into bed with me, within the limited time, that I have in Kiev, without being wined and dined and clubbed.
This is, if they agree to go out in the first place, and if they do, the sky will be the limit for expenses etc, demands, which defeats the object of finding stunning p4p at affordable prices
I am single at present mid forties, and the age group that I go for is 18 to 25.
It's the same I go for and I'm in the late 40's... but I'm a pig ( :) ) and I prefer to go for 18-21! or simply 18 next time there are so many avaliable.... :p :p may be naive but... the last ones where all 21-24 (four gals).
Mat be I can get four 18teen next time :p :p (petite and blondinkas, please!)
IT
Hello all,
Arena beer bar has a new manageress who has decided to make some changes so there are no working girls allowed in anymore. Budda bar has become their office I hear but I don't go there myself.
RP 2 Saturday nights ago had 10 girls and 5 male customers following the raid. Price quoted was $500. Ukraine school of economics!
As you well know I usually live just in front.... how can I survive without a fresh and new market just 100 meters from my home door!!!??? :( :( :(
Yep it's.... Ukraine school of economics! as YOU say!!!!
Crazy if you look in Prague you can get more bautiful girls from official licensed agencies than from Gia... simply crazy! Like when they just turned from USD to € 1 to 1.
If they go on this way they will never get out of the mud. In Moscow now it seems even cheaper than in Kiev (crazy) you get a normal girl for 300 USD/night.
My usual landlord (who is in fact more into international business) got down the prices of the flats in 18 months around 35-40% If girls were more clever....
IT
AColonizer
12-10-09, 05:15
(If I understood your post well) "girls" can't be more clever for the logic reason that sex is still a commodity in a speculative trend or, easier, there is much more demand than offer.
If all of you think, if girls' cost trend follows crisis general trend, then we should see prices decreased ten times.
Instead prices have decreased just in small percetage and in general the trend is stable. That's interesting what could happen when Ukraine is in default. I think situation won't be much better than now.
However, the main problem is not the price but the quality about beauty and GFE. If cost problem is hard to manage by customers, the quality problem is actually incomprehensible by men. But this is another story.
. . . If girls were more clever....
IT
So this means, no working girls at all at arena?
Any update on buddha bar, or any reports from where the ladies currently are working from after rp raid is much appreciated.Buddha bar always had a few but more so now, and I am told Avalon too.
RIO is 50 metres after the Opera building coming up the hill from Kreschatyk.
Almost beside Deja Vu restaurant.
Hi,
I am taking my first trip to Ukraine. Kiev this Christmas holiday, and are staying until the beginning of January.
I thought Ukraine was suppose to be a cheap country, but then I read here that girls charge like 150 dollars and up? That is insane. Is it not possible to find girls that go with you for 50 dollars and up? Of course, I talk about independents, I realize that company girls have to charge a lot more.
And Arena have no working girls anymore? That is dissapointing, I have heard so much good about that place. Any other place to recommend for cheap girls and alot of fun?
Hi,
I am taking my first trip to Ukraine. Kiev this Christmas holiday, and are staying until the beginning of January.
I thought Ukraine was suppose to be a cheap country, but then I read here that girls charge like 150 dollars and up? That is insane. Is it not possible to find girls that go with you for 50 dollars and up? Of course, I talk about independents, I realize that company girls have to charge a lot more.
And Arena have no working girls anymore? That is dissapointing, I have heard so much good about that place. Any other place to recommend for cheap girls and alot of fun? The cheap days are over in Kiev but compared to Moscow I suppose you could say that it's cheap. It's all relative. I have not been to Kiev since September, but Arena, Avalon, and Shooters all have semi-pros that vary in price. There are still pros around but they are not nearly as obvious as they once were. Just keep your eyes open for the tell tale signs (girls sitting together drinking coke and not dancing) and you might see some who you can make eye contact with and approach. Depending on the night of the week and the state of your "game" there are some "normal" girls at the same bars who can be coerced into having sex. After all, Kiev IS a University town so there are plenty of girls around if you look in the right places. And of course, you can always check out the Salons. Some of the girls will make "house calls" but it's a matter of what you can negotiate.
You still have time left though. Get on www.flirt.com.ua and start getting some things going. I would be willing to bet that if you do a search on girls between the ages of 18 and 22, you will have 15% who OVERTLY say they are willing to have sex for money. Others who are looking for a man between the ages of 16 and 60 are a dead give away. Chat them up on line (in English) and you will be surprised at what you get back. (Don't forget the English toggle in the bottom left) My experience has been that Ukrainian girls in Kiev tend to speak more English than in Moscow.Tell them you are coming for vacation and are looking for sex. Most of these girls know other girls who are "working" and will hook you up. Nothing ventured nothing gained.
Julien Kiev
12-12-09, 18:00
Hi,
I'm in Kiev for 10 days. I used to live here 2 years ago but few things had changed it seems. Where is my dear club Mexico (strip club in Kreshiatik where you could also spend good time in private rooms.). Does someone knows this kind of place in Kiev, I mean where you don't need to take out girl but enjoy show. And much more after.
Also, if one of you is interested to go with me to different places as RP, etc to find girls, it can be fun also.
Ciao,
Julien
Hi,
I'm in Kiev for 10 days. I used to live here 2 years ago but few things had changed it seems. Where is my dear club Mexico (strip club in Kreshiatik where you could also spend good time in private rooms.). Does someone knows this kind of place in Kiev, I mean where you don't need to take out girl but enjoy show. And much more after.
Also, if one of you is interested to go with me to different places as RP, etc to find girls, it can be fun also.
Ciao,
JulienInteresting, I just had a great sesson with an escort girl from Ukraine in Mexico City, quite overpriced but excellent service overall. The girl was very surprised to see that I was able to speak a few words in Russkiy,.... maybe a preview of I am going to get in Kiev.
Bez Bezarra
12-14-09, 01:09
I used to live here 2 years ago and go to Klub Mexico and spend much more good time in private rooms.How much did that cost?
Julien Kiev
12-14-09, 01:45
How much did that cost?It was 100 $ to go out with girl or to have sex in their own bedrooms.
Do anyone have any knowledge about Impressa.
It was recommended but for me it is unknown?
DJ FourMoney
12-14-09, 20:16
The cheap days are over in Kiev but compared to Moscow I suppose you could say that it's cheap. It's all relative. I have not been to Kiev since September, but Arena, Avalon, and Shooters all have semi-pros that vary in price. There are still pros around but they are not nearly as obvious as they once were. Just keep your eyes open for the tell tale signs (girls sitting together drinking coke and not dancing) and you might see some who you can make eye contact with and approach. Depending on the night of the week and the state of your "game" there are some "normal" girls at the same bars who can be coerced into having sex. After all, Kiev IS a University town so there are plenty of girls around if you look in the right places. And of course, you can always check out the Salons. Some of the girls will make "house calls" but it's a matter of what you can negotiate.
You still have time left though. Get on www.flirt.com.ua and start getting some things going. I would be willing to bet that if you do a search on girls between the ages of 18 and 22, you will have 15% who OVERTLY say they are willing to have sex for money. Others who are looking for a man between the ages of 16 and 60 are a dead give away. Chat them up on line (in English) and you will be surprised at what you get back. (Don't forget the English toggle in the bottom left) My experience has been that Ukrainian girls in Kiev tend to speak more English than in Moscow.Tell them you are coming for vacation and are looking for sex. Most of these girls know other girls who are "working" and will hook you up. Nothing ventured nothing gained.
Not only are the "salad" days over but the push back has started -
http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-12-14/ukraine-femen-sex-tourism.html
There is also the minor fear that it might be legalized. Some were complaining (if you watch it) that they are being hit on by those seeking P4P making it impossible to go down the streets of Kiev one fairly attractive girl said.
I find this interesting given the recent raid of River Palace reported on these forums.
Have Fun!
Hal Johnson
12-15-09, 14:54
Hey guys,
I am having a great time in Ukraine and Russia. Thanks for all the great posts.
Here's something that has been really useful for me, I have had some great luck meeting some beautiful women on:
www.romanceinrussia.com
It's good for freebies and p4p. Definitely, start sending out messages before you do your travels.
Hal Johnson
12-18-09, 15:17
Hey guys,
I was asked a question by a few people about the site romanceinrussia. Com. I thought I would just post the answer here.
Its really good for finding freebies! I have tried flirt/mamba and this seems to work a lot better. Its because they carefully filter who uses the site, including guys.
The easiest way to get accepted on the site is to make sure you put your country of origin as USA, Canada, England, Italy, France, Spain, Germany, etc. Essentially Western Europe or North America. I think the administrators of the site will only accept people who put this as their country of origin. I found this out because the first few times I was not approved because I put down that I was from Kiev, instead of New York.
Good luck!
I am in st. Petersburg now having a blast. Next stop estonia. Thanks again for all the great advice and help!
Thanks,
Hal
Hey guys,
I was asked a question by a few people about the site romanceinrussia. Com. I thought I would just post the answer here.
Its really good for finding freebies! I have tried flirt/mamba and this seems to work a lot better. Its because they carefully filter who uses the site, including guys.
The easiest way to get accepted on the site is to make sure you put your country of origin as USA, Canada, England, Italy, France, Spain, Germany, etc. Essentially Western Europe or North America. I think the administrators of the site will only accept people who put this as their country of origin. I found this out because the first few times I was not approved because I put down that I was from Kiev, instead of New York.
Good luck!
I am in st. Petersburg now having a blast. Next stop estonia. Thanks again for all the great advice and help!
Thanks,
HalI had a look for fun to this site romanceinrussia. You have 3 types of galleries of women: Gold, Silver and Free. The funny thing is that when you browse the Gold & Silver gallery, the photos of the girls are quite good with many attractive girls. When you browse the Free gallery, it looks like more a "horror" gallery. Then you discover that for contacting "Gold & Silver" you need to upgrade and pay and for the Free. Well it's free.
I had a look for fun to this site romanceinrussia. You have 3 types of galleries of women: Gold, Silver and Free. The funny thing is that when you browse the Gold & Silver gallery, the photos of the girls are quite good with many attractive girls. When you browse the Free gallery, it looks like more a "horror" gallery. Then you discover that for contacting "Gold & Silver" you need to upgrade and pay and for the Free. Well it's free.
I am in Odessa just now, and very coincidently the two semi free-bees that I have been going out with the past weeks had the same job: Working for some internet love site as interpreter between (stupid) foreign men who is looking for a wife on the internet site, but the girl cannot speak English and an interpreter is need, what of course costs money - but there is not real girl looking for marriage it is all being taking care of by the interpreter, who gets 2 USD for each message she 'translates'. The other free bee told me that she take care of about 50 fake accounts on an internet site which is also is a pay site and her job is to keep the communication going as the poor men are paying per message and that she get 1 USD per message. She told me that she make a couple of hundred USD this way per month...
take care out there....
Hal Johnson
12-20-09, 21:45
Yeah, you definitely have to pay for the gold and silver gallery, but its totally worth it. I have had many dates with great freebies.
There is a fixed cost per month (I think its like $30) and there are lots of girls that I have met through it. There is no per message cost and translation is totally free.
Joining this site is definitely worth it, if you are serious about wanting to meet freebies. I have had lots of good luck through it and highly recommend it.
The only catch is that you put that you are from Western Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand to be approved.
Good luck!
Hal
Explorer69
12-21-09, 20:11
I am in Odessa just now, and very coincidently the two semi free-bees that I have been going out with the past weeks had the same job: Working for some internet love site as interpreter between (stupid) foreign men who is looking for a wife on the internet site, but the girl cannot speak English and an interpreter is need, what of course costs money. But there is not real girl looking for marriage it is all being taking care of by the interpreter, who gets 2 USD for each message she 'translates'. The other free bee told me that she take care of about 50 fake accounts on an internet site which is also is a pay site and her job is to keep the communication going as the poor men are paying per message and that she get 1 USD per message. She told me that she make a couple of hundred USD this way per month.
Take care out there.I have had a similar story, I dated girl in Odessa who had worked with "Anastasia", she told me the girls working there had to write fake messages and run correspondence with a lot of guys. Some of the photos for different girls were in reality the same girl, but from different nagels and with different outfits. A big fraud! She told me she stopped working there because this was all too crazy!
Pantherman38
12-21-09, 20:27
I black American male traveling to Kiev via Budapest. I have been on this site for years and it had prepared me immensely for my voyages abroad. I have traveled to many foreign destinations and this is my first time in Kiev. What should I expect in regards to the general attitudes to other ethnic nationalities?
I would appreciate any insight on this subject.
Pantherman38
12-21-09, 21:59
I black American male traveling to Kiev via Budapest. I have been on this site for years and it had prepared me immensely for my voyages abroad. I have traveled to many foreign destinations and this is my first time in Kiev. What should I expect in regards to the general attitudes to other ethnic nationalities? I would appreciate any insight on this subject.
I black American male traveling to Kiev via Budapest. I have been on this site for years and it had prepared me immensely for my voyages abroad. I have traveled to many foreign destinations and this is my first time in Kiev. What should I expect in regards to the general attitudes to other ethnic nationalities? I would appreciate any insight on this subject.
I know for a fact that Indians can face trouble around Arena, but I've never heard of black guys getting any abuse. Of course, it also depends on your size.
AColonizer
12-22-09, 04:23
I had similar experience but I didn't need any people suggesting what was happening in reality, I just read letters: letters were too perfect to be real communication between two normal people. Moreover, in our fast-pace life, it is necessary just one letter to meet a person, all the rest is a time waste.
Anyway we must remember that relationship between a man and a woman is always an exchange of something. About East European women, that's just a matter of Western passport: or do you still believe sex goddess like just your cock?
I have had a similar story, I dated girl in Odessa who had worked with "Anastasia", she told me the girls working there had to write fake messages and run correspondence with a lot of guys. Some of the photos for different girls were in reality the same girl, but from different nagels and with different outfits. A big fraud! She told me she stopped working there because this was all too crazy!
Gentleman Travel
12-22-09, 15:39
I have had a similar story, I dated girl in Odessa who had worked with "Anastasia", she told me the girls working there had to write fake messages and run correspondence with a lot of guys. Some of the photos for different girls were in reality the same girl, but from different nagels and with different outfits. A big fraud! She told me she stopped working there because this was all too crazy!
I think any site where you are paying per message is likely to be a scam-site, especially where they prevent you from getting the girl's direct contact information. Obviously their financial model is based on stringing you along with a large number of letters back and forth. Then they try to get you to pay for translations and some even try to get you to send flowers and other BS like that.
Paying per address (like Elenas Models) or per month (like Lucky Lovers) are the slightly more credible models. LL is good because there is a chat function and forums, which give you more opportunities to find out who is real. Mamba of course is best, and free at some levels - paying for the extras is worth it for me, but even the free service is useful.
Of course there are scammers on all sites, but some are complete scams from beginning to end and others are just a matter of understanding the noise-to-signal ratio.
DJ FourMoney
12-22-09, 23:45
I know for a fact that Indians can face trouble around Arena, but I've never heard of black guys getting any abuse. Of course, it also depends on your size.
Size? So if your Steve Urkel you're going to get fucked with?
That's funny and so far from the truth its hard to take your post as being creditable.
I experienced no problems in Kiev. I wasn't there long enough to venture far outside the city. But I had no problems in Disco/Nightclubs or River Palace. I was there to bang an internet contact (mission accomplished), had a part-timer hit on me and share a flaming drink, she paid for the cab we took, we hit two other places.
What problem?
I'll be back soon enough...
DJ FourMoney
12-22-09, 23:47
I think any site where you are paying per message is likely to be a scam-site, especially where they prevent you from getting the girl's direct contact information. Obviously their financial model is based on stringing you along with a large number of letters back and forth. Then they try to get you to pay for translations and some even try to get you to send flowers and other BS like that.
Paying per address (like Elenas Models) or per month (like Lucky Lovers) are the slightly more credible models. LL is good because there is a chat function and forums, which give you more opportunities to find out who is real. Mamba of course is best, and free at some levels - paying for the extras is worth it for me, but even the free service is useful.
Of course there are scammers on all sites, but some are complete scams from beginning to end and others are just a matter of understanding the noise-to-signal ratio.
Met my internet contact from Kiev using LL (Lucky Lovers). I get contacted now and again. Some legit, others not. They filter out much of the trash, but its hard to detect a professional dater, that only comes with direct communication.
DJ FourMoney
12-23-09, 00:08
I had a look for fun to this site romanceinrussia. You have 3 types of galleries of women: Gold, Silver and Free. The funny thing is that when you browse the Gold & Silver gallery, the photos of the girls are quite good with many attractive girls. When you browse the Free gallery, it looks like more a "horror" gallery. Then you discover that for contacting "Gold & Silver" you need to upgrade and pay and for the Free. Well it's free.
bride.ru is like that. They have "fact control" In fact most of the 18-25 crowd that are young, thin and good looking at in the Gold and Silver gallery. This site isn't any different.
Does anyone know of anything interesting that is going on for New Years? I'm going to be in Kiev with an English friend of mine and have been out of country for the last month. I have absolutely no idea what might be good in Kiev for New Years.
Any help would be appreciated.
If anyone is connected for wacky tobacky in Kiev, shoot me a PM. thx
Bez Bezarra
12-23-09, 04:20
Hey guys, I am having a great time in Ukraine and Russia. Thanks for all the great posts.Here's something that has been really useful for me, I have had some great luck meeting some beautiful women on: www.romanceinrussia.com It's good for freebies and p4p.
Definitely, start sending out messages before you do your travels.
What Hal is actually saying is, DEFINITELY START SENDING OUT YOUR MONEY TO THE WEBSITE!!
"Hal Johnson" is an advertisement!
The website's only purpose is to take money from suckers.
Search the PAY ONLY Silver and Gold, age 18-20, for all of Ukraine, and you will see more than SIX THOUSAND profiles of amazingly hot girls. But your ONLY CHOICE is to pay, if you want to send even one message to any of the 6,274 girls.
Then search on FREE ONLY 18-20 years, and for the ENTIRE whole country of Ukraine, there are a GRAND TOTAL of 14 PROFILES, and every troll-beast that's FREE is a huge horrid frightening nightmarish behemoth, that even 10 bottles of vodka isn't enough even to quickly glance at, without causing you permanent blindness and severe brain damage.
6,274 hotties, NO PAY=NO MESSAGE.
14 Wooly Mammoths, Free.
SCAM!!!!
DJ FourMoney
12-23-09, 07:40
What Hal is actually saying is, DEFINITELY START SENDING THEM YOUR MONEY!!
"Hal Johnson" is an advertisement!
The website's only purpose is to take money from suckers.
Search the PAY ONLY Silver and Gold, age 18-20, for all of Ukraine, and you will see more than SIX THOUSAND profiles of amazingly hot girls.
Then search on FREE ONLY 18-20 years, and for the ENTIRE whole country of Ukraine, there are a GRAND TOTAL of 14 PROFILES, and every troll-beast that's FREE is a huge horrid frightening nightmarish behemoth, that even 10 bottles of vodka isn't enough even to quickly glance at without causing you permanent blindness and severe brain damage.Bez,
Hal 9000 might be a plant, but Bride.ru does the same thing. Though I would say the girls in the free gallery on that site usually don't look any worst than some of the girls you posted in various photo threads. So while not ravishing beauties most are still serviceable for things like wify duty which is no doubt most of them are looking for.
Edit -
Sorry for the horror, you are right Bez. My lord, no wonder these women are still single.
What Hal is actually saying is, DEFINITELY START SENDING OUT YOUR MONEY TO THE WEBSITE!!
"Hal Johnson" is an advertisement!===================================
Greetings everyone,
Not withstanding Bill1963's comments, all 3 of Hal Johnson's most recent posts have been devoted to encouraging members to sign up for the website romanceinrussia.com, thus exhibiting the profile of a commercial promotion.
As a result, Hal Johnson will no longer be permitted to post any further references to said website.
Thanks,
Jackson
Hal Johnson
12-25-09, 05:37
Hey guys,
That's really funny that my post was somehow misconstrued as an advertisment.
I have traveled to Kyiv from the United States for some freebies based on the great advice I received from ISG members a few months ago.
Upon being here a couple months, I learned the lessons that many of you who have been here for a while have learned. I ran into bad girls at Shooters, tested out finding freebies on flirt/mamba and even got to know some p4p girls from River Palace.
I have been here now for almost 2 months and have loved my time here. I have learned a lot about women and life.
My recommendation for that dating site was based purely on my experience. I have met something like 15 freebies in Ukraine, Russia and the Baltics through that website.
I was just offering my tips for other ISG members who want to find freebies. I tried on flirt and didn't have the same luck.
So that's just my advice. Take it for what you want. It definitely was a great find and I wanted you all to know about it.
Best,
Hal
Bez Bezarra
12-25-09, 14:41
I met 15 freebies in Ukraine, Russia and the Baltics by paying Romance in Russia.
I tried for free on flirt and didn't.I think I know what you mean about flirt/mamba now. In 2007, 2008, and earlier this year, I not only met, but scored with several Ukrainian and Russian flirt/mamba girls. All the ones that allowed photos, I've posted here.
But just recently I sent messages to +200 mamba girls, and I got zero response. No responses at all.
So you met 15 freebies by paying Romance in Russia.
Got one photo?
I think I know what you mean about flirt/mamba now. In 2007, 2008, and earlier this year, I not only met, but scored with several Ukrainian and Russian flirt/mamba girls. All the ones that allowed photos, I've posted here.
But just recently I sent messages to +200 mamba girls, and I got zero response. No responses at all.
So you met 15 freebies by paying Romance in Russia.
Got one photo?I stuck my profile on www.Mamba.Ru, without a photo, and got about 70 replies, but the thing is, the replies are coming from another site www.Generationoflove.com.
I am invited to reply, but I have to buy credits in order to view the messages, and reply.
Needless to say, I just ignored them. Anything with buying credits to view and relpy to messages goes on my ignore list.
I had much better results with flirt, which was completely free.
I stuck my profile on www.Mamba.Ru, without a photo, and got about 70 replies, but the thing is, the replies are coming from another site www.Generationoflove.com.
I am invited to reply, but I have to buy credits in order to view the messages, and reply.
Needless to say, I just ignored them. Anything with buying credits to view and relpy to messages goes on my ignore list.
I had much better results with flirt, which was completely free.Should read www.generationlove.com
I am leaving for Ukraine within a week, anyone who got any tips on clubs? What to see? What to eat? Prices? Please, I will be very thankfull for any answers!
If anyone is connected for wacky tobacky in Kiev, shoot me a PM. thx
Club girls know where to get the candy.
I have had a similar story, I dated girl in Odessa who had worked with "Anastasia", she told me the girls working there had to write fake messages and run correspondence with a lot of guys. Some of the photos for different girls were in reality the same girl, but from different nagels and with different outfits. A big fraud! She told me she stopped working there because this was all too crazy!
Yeah Anastasia is pretty much a scam site but not outright so, there are a few legit girls on there, not too many tho. One of my buddies used to use them with some ok results. He'd call them on the phone for whatever that service cost. He'd have he's own translator on the phone and the first question he had her ask is, 'what is your phone number'. Once he got it he hung up on the agency phone and called her. :D
You can always spot the form letters a mile away. I call them, Mushroom Letters, because they always have a part about how they loved to walk in the forest to pick mushrooms.
Bez Bezarra
12-26-09, 22:40
On Mamba.Ru without a photo, I got 70 replies from Generationoflove.com, but I have to pay to reply.
I had much better results with flirt, which was free.
That doesn't make sense because mamba and flirt are the same site.
That doesn't make sense because mamba and flirt are the same site.Bez, read my post. The unsoilicited replies, that I got for my proflie on mamba, were from www.Generationlove.com, and not from mamba, or flirt. This site requires you to buy credits, so go figure.
I thought I'd give it a shot as, I must say, I thought Hal's original recommendation looked quite genuine. It's only $50 or so for 3 months' membership with all messaging to Gold and Silver standard girls included, so it's not too much to lose even if it all turns to dust.
Anyway, I spent a couple of hours saying Hi to about 50 or so young hotties in the three Baltic states as well as Kiev, Lviv, Moscow and St Pete. So far I'm in active conversation with about 10% of them, all from Russia and Ukraine (I'm 37 but reckon I could pass for late twenties.. sort of twenty-twelve :)) They do seem quite upfront, and one of them told me she worked as a waitress in a strip club :) But that's actually regarded as a 'normal' job, right?
Several women have initiated contact, BUT they tend to be of the mid/late 30s, single parent variety OR out and out woolly mammoths. I do get the overall impression that the site is, broadly speaking, genuine.
Freebie Sevman
12-28-09, 17:37
To me!
Will PM you!
Xa xa
I am in fact meeting a girl (met on R.I.R.) in Kiev on New Year's Eve. I was just wondering if you have to book in advance to have dinner at a restaurant. Are they all having some sort of ticket based event?
Does anyone know of any 'inclusive' dinner/dance tickets?
CallSign Papa
12-30-09, 13:47
Having experienced a Shooters NYE party, I can thoroughly recommend it. JI'm sure at some point there were topless girls making out on the stage, could have been the rum though.
I don't think I left my apartment the next two days.
Bez, read my post. The unsoilicited replies, that I got for my proflie on mamba, were from www.Generationlove. Com, and not from mamba, or flirt. This site requires you to buy credits, so go figure.What's an "unsolicited reply"? Doesn't quite make sense to me.
My guess is you were receiving spam from another dating site.
There have been changes in Mamba recently, limits on the number of profiles you can view in any 24 hour period, copy and paste problems from the message windows, but none that cost money.
What's an "unsolicited reply"? Doesn't quite make sense to me.
My guess is you were receiving spam from another dating site.
There have been changes in Mamba recently, limits on the number of profiles you can view in any 24 hour period, copy and paste problems from the message windows, but none that cost money.The replies were from www.generationlove.com,but i didn't put my profile with this site.
My profile no photo ,was with flirt and mamba only,yet the replies came from the above site and all from russia ,when i did specify only Ukraine.
The replies were Quotiing my user name on flirt and Mamba.
I am hung over and still confused.
Happy New Year
What's an "unsolicited reply"? Doesn't quite make sense to me.
My guess is you were receiving spam from another dating site.
There have been changes in Mamba recently, limits on the number of profiles you can view in any 24 hour period, copy and paste problems from the message windows, but none that cost money.
A lot of copy/paste problems.... shit! :(
but still billion of goddessess
http://flirt.com.ua/Juliafull/
wonder who was putting her in the jacuzzi????
IT
Size? So if your Steve Urkel you're going to get fucked with?
That's funny and so far from the truth its hard to take your post as being creditable.
I experienced no problems in Kiev. I wasn't there long enough to venture far outside the city. But I had no problems in Disco/Nightclubs or River Palace. I was there to bang an internet contact (mission accomplished), had a part-timer hit on me and share a flaming drink, she paid for the cab we took, we hit two other places.
What problem?
I'll be back soon enough...
I don't know what your problem is, but an Indian friend working downtown was harassed frequently by the drunken fools that hang out in the subway. Would you like his phone number to ask him yourself?
I don't know what "creditable" means. Do you want to loan me money?
....
wonder who was putting her in the jacuzzi????...
Not me, I wish you will do it and in this case, please share the pictures :D
I don't know what your problem is, but an Indian friend working downtown was harassed frequently by the drunken fools that hang out in the subway. Would you like his phone number to ask him yourself?
I don't know what "creditable" means. Do you want to loan me money?The drunken fools and quite a lot of them, used to hang out in the subways on Maidan in Sept and Nov, and looked as if they were looking for a fight.
So I ended up zooming across kreschatick rather than going down the subways to cross the street.
And I being a white guy 6ft2., you can call me a coward. But I played it safer.
I thought I'd give it a shot as, I must say, I thought Hal's original recommendation looked quite genuine. It's only $50 or so for 3 months' membership with all messaging to Gold and Silver standard girls included, so it's not too much to lose even if it all turns to dust.
Anyway, I spent a couple of hours saying Hi to about 50 or so young hotties in the three Baltic states as well as Kiev, Lviv, Moscow and St Pete. So far I'm in active conversation with about 10% of them, all from Russia and Ukraine (I'm 37 but reckon I could pass for late twenties.. sort of twenty-twelve :)) They do seem quite upfront, and one of them told me she worked as a waitress in a strip club :) But that's actually regarded as a 'normal' job, right?
Several women have initiated contact, BUT they tend to be of the mid/late 30s, single parent variety OR out and out woolly mammoths. I do get the overall impression that the site is, broadly speaking, genuine.
I second all of the above. RIR is in my opinion a pretty good site. You guys are too suspicious or too stingy. Or both.
I created Monday a free profile and after two days decided to upgrade to paying Gold member, for the following reasons : it seems that it's a genuine site with very few scammers, the proportion of girls "on line" is always rather good, the search function by city is useful, profiles have lots of pics, and the number of young and attractive women registered who seem to visit regularly the site is very satisfactory (of course, nothing like mamba, but IMO better than LL, which is a site that I have always enjoyed and where I've always been quite successful). Also the answer ratio has been for me rather high, something like 25%, which is really good. Plus, I received since Monday some 70 messages and winks (most, I must admit, from 30+ single moms, including a good proportion of 40+ nightmare dragons), something that doesn't happen on mamba or LL.
What is also interesting is that there's sometimes profiles of good-looking girls (who, on mamba would receive 50 hits, valentines, winks or whatever each day) on which there's a tag that says "I have not been contacted for some time" !!
We underestimate the stinginess of most of the guys who "hunt" on dating sites. Few are willing to pay. But they are wrong. Return is undoubtedly much higher on a paying site as RIR, where obviously women are not flooded by messages, than on a free site as mamba, where a girl with an attractive profile surely receive 100s of messages each week.
In any case, thanks Hal for the recommandation.
Bez Bezarra
01-07-10, 13:04
I decided to pay Gold member.
Few are willing to pay. But they are wrong.
Please don't over-react to this by wringing my neck. I deliberately emphasized that I hope I would be proven wrong about the website's oddly curious practice that +6000 hotties are NOT free and the measly 14 young ladies that represent the ENTIRE free category are ALL the fugliest beasts pulling a plow through a field of turnips.
Apparently, that 'elephant in the room', no pun intended, made no impression on you. So be it.
Then the ONLY THING that remains should be how many of the +6000 hot 18-19 year-olds DO you Goldmembers fuck? Almost sounds as believable as an Austin Powers movie! Well, so far, let's see how you've all done? Pics of hot 18-19 y.o. Romance in Russia ladies posted in bed with ISG members = 0. Hmmm..... ;)
Too bad in your case anyway, your preference will never be to share even a single foto, if you did get lucky. Ah well, its only about making the effort to share with your brothers.
You decided to pay, but you decided not to say how much you paid?
And when it comes to stinginess, I welcome all members to ask any Bez sponsorette about the extent of my generosity. :cool:
Not me, I wish you will do it and in this case, please share the pictures :D
Dear Friend! Unfortunately she is only a dream.... she doesen't answer any more to my posts... a real pity... Could have trained her like Inga for a week or so... might be expencive but surely worth the money...
IT
Captain Beaky
01-07-10, 19:41
Hi,
I will be visiting Kiev this summer after many years. Can anybody please advise me as follows.
1. I hear River Palace was raided by the police. Does anybody know if it is still open AND if it is still frequented by the same numbers and quality of girls as before the raid.
2. The last time I was in Kiev I visited Cocktail 111 which I believe has now closed. Are there many other places where foreigners can meet friendly local ladies. The bars I hear about are Deacadence House, Shooters and Arena. Any others?
3. I recall being able to touch up the dancers in strip clubs and some even had take out of the girls. Does anybody know if this is still possible and the names of the clubs? I recall the last time I visited Millenium. Do they allow?
4. I read on previous posts that Gia and Vodka escorts are the most reliable but also the most expensive agencies. You get what you order from Gia and Vodka. Does anybody have any views on other agencies. Escort-models. Kiev. Ua, www.Ladieskiev.com, www.Royal-Kiev-escort.com, www.Kievescortangels.com, Kiev-golden-escorts. Com. Anybody have any idea if these send the same girl as the picture?
5. Does anybody have any idea if any agency has real ukrainian models on its books?
6. I hear that Raukena is a good place for erotic massage. Are there any other places? Do the girls dress up in sexy clothes?
Thanks for any advice that anybody can give me.
DJ FourMoney
01-07-10, 19:59
I don't know what your problem is, but an Indian friend working downtown was harassed frequently by the drunken fools that hang out in the subway. Would you like his phone number to ask him yourself?
I don't know what "creditable" means. Do you want to loan me money?
I'm not saying stuff doesn't happen, I am saying however if Black skin of any type is the target of Xenophobia in former Soviet States, then I failed to gain any attention, especially when I looked lost several times.
That's all I was saying, I just believe this personal safety thing gets blown out of proportion.
DJ FourMoney
01-07-10, 20:03
The drunken fools and quite a lot of them, used to hang out in the subways on Maidan in Sept and Nov, and looked as if they were looking for a fight.
So I ended up zooming across kreschatick rather than going down the subways to cross the street.
And I being a white guy 6ft2., you can call me a coward. But I played it safer.
Makes perfect sense to me, you avoid problems if you don't open yourself to problems. As I have always maintained, Alpha Male types that like confrontation more often than not get there asses beat more than they actually win and then embellish stories of conquest and victory to those easily impressed by such things.
captain beaky,
i was in kiev during the holidays, and duly went by river palace to check out the scene. it was thursday, dec 24, and the place was rockin' at 2am. loads of girls, same quality.
this was my second time at rp, and both times my experience was the same. it's a great trip to have all these hotties eyeing you up, and trying to pick you up. however for me, the time while at rp was far better during both visits than the sex afterwards with the girl i picked.
the first time, it was no kissing, no bbbj, eye on the clock, but at least a decent screw. the second time (two weeks ago), it was no kissing, no bbbj, no daty (!!), and a terrible screw (it was so bad i actually stopped midway through and told her to get dressed and leave!...hey, i have self respect, and i don't like being treated like some diseased john)
both times it was $200, and both times i think i was thoroughly courteous and charming throughout. certainly there was no reason to think i was receiving poor treatment compared to the standard. i think it is simply a heavily "unionized" environment and there are strict standards about what the girls will and won't do
again, it is a fun trip to have these hotties trying to pick you up, but the sex for me afterwards was a complete waste of time.
it's a question of what you want. if you speak the language, or have some decent skills than go to mamba or just off to the western style upmarket clubs (barsky, decadence, buddha bar, shooters, avalon)
but if you're a newbie, speak no russian, etc....
ego trip of having hotties flirst with you? river palace all the way
bad, expensive sex with great eye candy? river palace all the way
good sex at a reasonable kiev price? i recommend www.top-models.com.ua
i saw the following girl
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=2937
it was 1000 uah, and the sex was full on porno style. deep throat, face fucking, cim (no swallow) she loved anal (i never made it to her pussy), hard slapping of her ass (left palm prints on both cheeks :-).
three negatives about her, first she's a little heavier now than her photos, second, a little bit of acne scarring (not seen in the photos of course), and third she was off to shower and get dressed after my first shot on goal (about 40 mins into our hour).
but i should qualify my criticisms by saying that i like very slim girls, and considering the quality of the sex the other points are just nitpicking
but make sure you only look at the girls with the verified "real photos". also, if you pick a girl from an agency (you can tell because she'll have 5-10 "friends" listed on the left), then even if she has "real photos" the agency may simply send you a different girl if your choice is not working. this happened for me, where i booked a duo and the two girls who arrive were nothing like the girls in the photos. but i liked one of them, and i went ahead with the 3-some anyway (and duly got their personal phone #s, emails after)
in conclusion, one of the things that i think happens on the board is that we all talk about our "victories", but don't always properly reflect the time/effort and expense that went into them. simply, we don't talk about the bad experiences, wasted money, etc.
i'm a newbie compared to many of the mongers here wrt to eastern europe. i've been to piter twice, kiev twice and had a kiev girl join me in the dominican once.
for my experiences, for the newbie, i think in kiev the best "sex per dollar and time invested" is the "real photo" girls from top models.
and similarly the best "outing companion and sex afterwards per dollar and time invested" is to pay the $350 usd or so for a 6 hour nightclub companion (includes 2 hrs sex afterwards) from http://www.gia.com.ua/
(wrt to gia, i fully agree that there are loads of girls equally or more hot available in kiev for much less money, but again, this is advice for the newbie w poor language skills, who wants a "sure thing" where you know the girl will show up, match the pictures, she won't slip you a date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drug, and she will do the services listed in her profile. so you're paying the premium for the safety and convenience)
if you have some skills, then there are certainly loads of semi-pros, amateurs, sponsor hunters on mamba, and at the various western style clubs.
my 2 cents. no h8rs pls.
Actually hot girls on Mamba/Flirt get 100's of messages a day not per week. A few I've met have showed me on my laptop at my apartment.
What is also interesting is that there's sometimes profiles of good-looking girls (who, on mamba would receive 50 hits, valentines, winks or whatever each day) on which there's a tag that says "I have not been contacted for some time" !!
where obviously women are not flooded by messages, than on a free site as mamba, where a girl with an attractive profile surely receive 100s of messages each week.
In any case, thanks Hal for the recommandation.
I will be in Kyiv from Jan 21 to Feb 10th.
So this means the 3rd Annual River Palace Superbowl Ho Down is on!
Time – Sunday February 7th midnight pregaming upstairs at the disco then down to the sports bar to watch the game.
Place – The floating palace of p4p love, River Palace! Situated on the lovely banks of the Dniper River.
Best way to find our group downstairs if you don’t RSVP? Simply ask ‘Is this the ISG meeting?'. Like forum member Maverick did in 2008. Standing up and shouting ‘yo, where the Ho masters at’ will probably be frowned upon.
I will be in Kyiv from Jan 21 to Feb 10th.
So this means the 3rd Annual River Palace Superbowl Ho Down is on!
Time – Sunday February 7th midnight pregaming upstairs at the disco then down to the sports bar to watch the game.
Place – The floating palace of p4p love, River Palace! Situated on the lovely banks of the Dniper River.
Best way to find our group downstairs if you don’t RSVP? Simply ask ‘Is this the ISG meeting?'. Like forum member Maverick did in 2008. Standing up and shouting ‘yo, where the Ho masters at’ will probably be frowned upon.
Very sad I'm not there!!!! :( :( :(
IT
Hi,
I have just finished a 8 days stay in Kiev, and I can add my experiences, prices, and such. I will now be completely honest about it all.
Me and some friends went to Kiev, we are in our 20s and average + looking.
The thing that stroke me at first in this country was their poor English, I mean, I have been to Thailand, and even there they have better English. Anyway, let's get over to the party stuff, Arena is a very nice club, sick cool environment, and good music, but as mentioned, the girls speak poorly English.
As we found out these things we started just hitting the brothels and strip clubs.
Rio, f'ing GREAT strip club, unbelievable hot dancers and if you make eye contact with them they will come and talk to you, ask you if you want a private dance and such (private dance means that you and the stripper enter a room just the 2 of you, she gets all naked and give you lap dance etc, and you can touch her as much as you like.)
I only tried 3 strip clubs, but Rio was the greatest.
Now, over to the girls. We were one day at River palace, great place, great enviroment, hot girls and impressive bar tendering (do not know if that is a word).
As the night went on, more and more girls offered us sex for money. But as people here have mentioned, the price was way to stiff, we talk about 300. 400 dollars. That is just insane considering this is a EXTREMELY poor country.
So we went mostly to brothels. The cool thing is if you find a young cool taxi driver that knows a little bit of English. We were on one brothel 500grnva for one hour, the girls were maybe 7 / 10 in looks, but made up for it in effort in the bed.
Another brothel we paid 1000. 1200 grnva, this brothel was insane, the girls looked amazing, everyone of the girls had bikinis and they had a "pimp" an older lady. You could chose wich you wanted and go have fun. The thing is, even tough the girls were beautiful, you could not do what you wanted, no kissing, no fingering. This is a huge bummer I think, not because I love to kiss prostitutes or finger them, but because she had to tell me " no " and that is kinda turn off. But it was a great lay and I regret I did not go there again.
Anyway, we tried picking up prostitutes from the streets, here you can get prostitutes from 200 grnva, we found 2 girls, ok looking and paid them 400 each, and went to a sauna room (this was about 3 km out of centrum of Kiev), great lay, but as the driver told us be carefull because these women can steel from you.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
Now, over to the incalls.
We used this site
http://escort-models. Kiev. Ua/en/models/
And ordered in some models, I cannot remember who it was since it was my friend who did it, and let me say that the girls you see on this site I believe may come and may not, because many of these numbers are the same, I believe these girls work at brothels and their number is to the " pimp ", so he can basicly send you whoever he wants. But I do not know this for sure, but if you look at the numbers you will see that many of them are the same. But beautiful girls anyway even though it may not be the same as pictured on the site.
Now, the second problem with incalls is that they are late, they can say 20 minutes and come after 1 hour. So you never know.
Had a great time in Kiev, I only wish I would have learned just some Russian before I left so I could communicate with people. The language was a HUGE problem, no doubt, do not take this problem lightly.
I have to apologize for my bad English.
AColonizer
01-09-10, 21:58
i thanks fijiman for his sincere report. yes, that is the average situation for everybody: beginners get a lot of frauds, while talents get full satisfied sex.
i strongly suggest to read hecker's reports, and not narcisist gossips.
moreover i underline any kind of relationships, between men and women, are just fierce bargaining, where the person who lies more than the other one, that person wins.
the first rule in sex market is: money matters, all the rest are fairy tales, no fair play is permitted.
captain beaky,
i was in kiev during the holidays, and duly went by river palace to check out the scene. it was thursday, dec 24, and the place was rockin' at 2am. loads of girls, same quality.
this was my second time at rp, and both times my experience was the same. it's a great trip to have all these hotties eyeing you up, and trying to pick you up. however for me, the time while at rp was far better during both visits than the sex afterwards with the girl i picked.
the first time, it was no kissing, no bbbj, eye on the clock, but at least a decent screw. the second time (two weeks ago), it was no kissing, no bbbj, no daty (!!), and a terrible screw (it was so bad i actually stopped midway through and told her to get dressed and leave!...hey, i have self respect, and i don't like being treated like some diseased john)
both times it was $200, and both times i think i was thoroughly courteous and charming throughout. certainly there was no reason to think i was receiving poor treatment compared to the standard. i think it is simply a heavily "unionized" environment and there are strict standards about what the girls will and won't do
again, it is a fun trip to have these hotties trying to pick you up, but the sex for me afterwards was a complete waste of time.
it's a question of what you want. if you speak the language, or have some decent skills than go to mamba or just off to the western style upmarket clubs (barsky, decadence, buddha bar, shooters, avalon)
but if you're a newbie, speak no russian, etc....
ego trip of having hotties flirst with you? river palace all the way
bad, expensive sex with great eye candy? river palace all the way
good sex at a reasonable kiev price? i recommend www.top-models.com.ua
i saw the following girl
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=2937
it was 1000 uah, and the sex was full on porno style. deep throat, face fucking, cim (no swallow) she loved anal (i never made it to her pussy), hard slapping of her ass (left palm prints on both cheeks :-).
three negatives about her, first she's a little heavier now than her photos, second, a little bit of acne scarring (not seen in the photos of course), and third she was off to shower and get dressed after my first shot on goal (about 40 mins into our hour).
but i should qualify my criticisms by saying that i like very slim girls, and considering the quality of the sex the other points are just nitpicking
but make sure you only look at the girls with the verified "real photos". also, if you pick a girl from an agency (you can tell because she'll have 5-10 "friends" listed on the left), then even if she has "real photos" the agency may simply send you a different girl if your choice is not working. this happened for me, where i booked a duo and the two girls who arrive were nothing like the girls in the photos. but i liked one of them, and i went ahead with the 3-some anyway (and duly got their personal phone #s, emails after)
in conclusion, one of the things that i think happens on the board is that we all talk about our "victories", but don't always properly reflect the time/effort and expense that went into them. simply, we don't talk about the bad experiences, wasted money, etc.
i'm a newbie compared to many of the mongers here wrt to eastern europe. i've been to piter twice, kiev twice and had a kiev girl join me in the dominican once.
for my experiences, for the newbie, i think in kiev the best "sex per dollar and time invested" is the "real photo" girls from top models.
and similarly the best "outing companion and sex afterwards per dollar and time invested" is to pay the $350 usd or so for a 6 hour nightclub companion (includes 2 hrs sex afterwards) from http://www.gia.com.ua/
(wrt to gia, i fully agree that there are loads of girls equally or more hot available in kiev for much less money, but again, this is advice for the newbie w poor language skills, who wants a "sure thing" where you know the girl will show up, match the pictures, she won't slip you a date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drug, and she will do the services listed in her profile. so you're paying the premium for the safety and convenience)
if you have some skills, then there are certainly loads of semi-pros, amateurs, sponsor hunters on mamba, and at the various western style clubs.
my 2 cents. no h8rs pls.
Actually hot girls on Mamba/Flirt get 100's of messages a day not per week. A few I've met have showed me on my laptop at my apartment.
So, you were the one who didn't get ignored out of 100s? What did you actually say in your message? I usually go for models but thought I'd try ugly tonight? :)
So, you were the one who didn't get ignored out of 100s? What did you actually say in your message?....
Or maybe the better question is, how much did you offer to be choose ?
Cause I guess about one thing here we can all agree, with girls getting 100 messages per day, they choose us and not we them...
First thing, i had to split my short report into 2 pieces, i did not understand why i had to do this.
The other thing, it was 1 song at the strip club Rio I got in my brain, but I cannot find it because the song is mainly in Russian ( i believe ) but they say in the song some English words like " Hey sexy lady " :)
I am sorry that I have no more information about the song, but if anyone know the name or anything about it I would be very thankful !
AColonizer
01-10-10, 16:58
For this reason, I always suggest to keep prices very low.
By luck, most Ukrainian men keep prices low. And for this reason, Ukrainian women look for foreign "gentlemen".
And Ukrainian (and Russian) women know another their own strenght point: if a man has paid, for example, 1000 dollars for his travel, this means he is psichologically ready to pay another 1000 dollars for sex, no matter about the quality of sex.
Instead, men should think to keep losses very low: yes, I have paid, for example, 1000 dollars for my travel, but it is better to avoid further losses such as sexual frauds (for example, for 100 dollars/first hour, we find young women in our own towns).
Or maybe the better question is, how much did you offer to be choose ?
Cause I guess about one thing here we can all agree, with girls getting 100 messages per day, they choose us and not we them...
Hi,
I have just finished a 8 days stay in Kiev, and I can add my experiences, prices, and such. I will now be completely honest about it all.
Me and some friends went to Kiev, we are in our 20s and average + looking.
The thing that stroke me at first in this country was their poor English, I mean, I have been to Thailand, and even there they have better English. Anyway, let's get over to the party stuff, Arena is a very nice club, sick cool environment, and good music, but as mentioned, the girls speak poorly English.
As we found out these things we started just hitting the brothels and strip clubs.
Rio, f'ing GREAT strip club, unbelievable hot dancers and if you make eye contact with them they will come and talk to you, ask you if you want a private dance and such (private dance means that you and the stripper enter a room just the 2 of you, she gets all naked and give you lap dance etc, and you can touch her as much as you like.)
I only tried 3 strip clubs, but Rio was the greatest.
Now, over to the girls. We were one day at River palace, great place, great enviroment, hot girls and impressive bar tendering (do not know if that is a word).
As the night went on, more and more girls offered us sex for money. But as people here have mentioned, the price was way to stiff, we talk about 300. 400 dollars. That is just insane considering this is a EXTREMELY poor country.
So we went mostly to brothels. The cool thing is if you find a young cool taxi driver that knows a little bit of English. We were on one brothel 500grnva for one hour, the girls were maybe 7 / 10 in looks, but made up for it in effort in the bed.
Another brothel we paid 1000. 1200 grnva, this brothel was insane, the girls looked amazing, everyone of the girls had bikinis and they had a "pimp" an older lady. You could chose wich you wanted and go have fun. The thing is, even tough the girls were beautiful, you could not do what you wanted, no kissing, no fingering. This is a huge bummer I think, not because I love to kiss prostitutes or finger them, but because she had to tell me " no " and that is kinda turn off. But it was a great lay and I regret I did not go there again.
Anyway, we tried picking up prostitutes from the streets, here you can get prostitutes from 200 grnva, we found 2 girls, ok looking and paid them 400 each, and went to a sauna room (this was about 3 km out of centrum of Kiev), great lay, but as the driver told us be carefull because these women can steel from you.
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Brothels and street girls
Thanks for the information. I have been in Ukraine a couple f times too and my opinion is good place for the sexy girls BUT in my opinion too expensive for a “poor country”. I use to pay USD 100 for the best girls, more only in few exceptions.
Kiev: most of the time I had street girls in the main street near to Mc Donald or some other girls from previous contacts in internet (with English) Where do you find your street girls? In which streets and times?
Brothels, sorry no experience and wonder where are they located? city center too? Please more information for my next trip. Thanks
I think it might have something to do with the pictures on my profile and my profile. Most of the girls I meet on flirt aren't p4p.
But anyway, I have a hard time paying $100/hr or over for a girl. I think $80 is okay and at $60 I am very happy. When trolling for p4p at a club I like to keep it around $150-$200/few hours. $100 is a good deal.
Brothels and street girls.
Thanks for the information. I have been in Ukraine a couple f times too and my opinion is good place for the sexy girls BUT in my opinion too expensive for a “poor country”. I use to pay USD 100 for the best girls, more only in few exceptions.
Kiev: most of the time I had street girls in the main street near to Mc Donald or some other girls from previous contacts in internet (with English) Where do you find your street girls? In which streets and times?
Brothels, sorry no experience and wonder where are they located? city center too? Please more information for my next trip. ThanksBrothels are located all around the city, and i mean EVERYWHERE ! :) You would be surprised, just ask a taxi driver, and if you don't like the brothel, go to the next.
We only asked taxi drivers about brothels, and if you liked one, you could get their card so you can give to the next taxi driver so he would know where to take you:)
Captain Beaky
01-10-10, 18:28
Ididid & Fijiman. Thanks for those great reports. A brilliant help for me.
Just two more questions for Ididid. Do you recall the name or location of the second brothel. The one with the great girls in bikinis.
I'd love to visit that place and an idea of where it is would be great.
And do you recall if there was take out in any of the strip clubs?
Thanks again guys.
Bez Bezarra
01-10-10, 20:12
I am not a narcissist.
I get full satisfied sex when only money matters, with no fair play, and only when I lie more than the other person.
You're a monster, not a monger.
AColonizer
01-10-10, 22:09
Yes, Bez, I was awaiting for your silly comment. Did you read the last posts?!?! I am sadly laughing, foreigners are paying Ukranians in Kiev much more than Ukrainian in Italy. You, Bez, silly man, prefer men waste their money instead to help them. By the way, how is your therapy in Florida?
You're a monster, not a monger.
Ididid & Fijiman. Thanks for those great reports. A brilliant help for me.
Just two more questions for Ididid. Do you recall the name or location of the second brothel. The one with the great girls in bikinis.
I'd love to visit that place and an idea of where it is would be great.
And do you recall if there was take out in any of the strip clubs?
Thanks again guys.Hello, my friend.
Yes, my friend actually has the street adress to that brothel on a card he got (hope he still have it).
I can contact him tomorrow, and if he have it, I can give the adress to you.
By take out in bars or strip club you mean prostitution? My English is not that good. I know what take out means when we speak about food.
If you are talking about prostitution I can say that 2 of the girls after I had paid them private dance was interested in talking to me (not 2 at the same time or same place). (This is in strip clubs)
One girl in particular was very interested, complimanted me on my body and everything (I know some girls do that because it is their job, but I work out, and look above average and this girl seemed interested) but my friends wanted to leave the place and since we only got 1 key to the apartment and 1 note with the adress, I had to leave.
Maybe if you ask some of the girls to come and talk to you and buy them a drink then maybe you can take them out, I do not know this and I am sorry.
About the clubs
River Palace. I believe that 90% of the girls there was prostitutes, I got maybe 15 questions during the night about girls willing to come to my apartment, but as I said. I am not the guy who are willing to pay 250 dollars for a fuck unless she is Jessica Alba or something. I was only 1 time at arena, but I have heard that there are some working girls there at times (prostitutes.
But bare in mind, I do not know a word in Russian, so it was hard enough for me to communicate in general with girls there. But hey, you are on a vacation. Why bother the hazzle of getting freebies? Pay 50$ for a good fuck and 100$ for a fuck (with a model lookalike) and enjoy Kiev. Freebies can you hunt in your own country.
I think it might have something to do with the pictures on my profile and my profile. Most of the girls I meet on flirt aren't p4p.
Ah that'd be the picture of you next to your Ferrari? ;)
Anyway, from what I've heard you're a pretty snappy dresser. Maybe we'll get a chance to meet in late January - I'll be around.
Ididid & Fijiman. Thanks for those great reports. A brilliant help for me.
Just two more questions for Ididid. Do you recall the name or location of the second brothel. The one with the great girls in bikinis.
I'd love to visit that place and an idea of where it is would be great.
And do you recall if there was take out in any of the strip clubs?
Thanks again guys.Take out is available in Rio club ,$300 ,when they finish work at 5 am.
It used to be $200 for the night when you wanted to leave with them. My how things have changed. But I used to go there before anyone on ISG knew about it and it was awesome. Nah! :D
We used to say going to Rio was a better option then RP. Now RP is a better option then Rio it would seem.
Is the upstairs open again?
I have a $10 casino chip from Rio. Anyone want to buy it from me for $20? It's a collectors piece and Brandon, it's signed by Olga. :)
The quality at Rio has fallen sharply since I was there two years ago. Looks like all the 2007 hotties managed to get schengen visas :)
These days $300 for the night is standard for takeout. I spoke to one of the managers about this but he said you have to talk to the girls directly as management have nothing to do with it these days. I'd ask though just to make sure the rules haven't changed AGAIN.
Anyway I think the real action now is at the Buddha Bar. Nice place to chill too, even if you are not in the market - and a great place to take a date.
CallSign Papa
01-12-10, 09:15
I remember visiting Rio in the summer of 2008 and being heartily impressed by the quality of girls there but it was a Friday night which I'm guessing is probably primetime.
Went back in September of last year and it had definitely dropped a few levels in terms of talent. Stills knocks it out of the park compared to most strip clubs in western europe though.
I had a blinding night (or early morning) with one of the dancers there and got her number for future use, we texted a bit close to when I was due to visit again but then when I arrived her number wasn't even ringing.
Great place to take a date?
What have I told you about taking sand to the beach?
Knowing you hang out where Kiev's hottest girls do should keep your date on her toes. Plus there are lots of luxurious sofas for reclining, snuggling etc.
The quality at Rio has fallen sharply since I was there two years ago. Looks like all the 2007 hotties managed to get schengen visas :)
These days $300 for the night is standard for takeout. I spoke to one of the managers about this but he said you have to talk to the girls directly as management have nothing to do with it these days. I'd ask though just to make sure the rules haven't changed AGAIN.
Anyway I think the real action now is at the Buddha Bar. Nice place to chill too, even if you are not in the market - and a great place to take a date.
I went to Buddha Bar twice during my last trip. Once on my own, and once with a date.
The place was empty the first time, (and they close at 2am apparently?). This was the same night I went to RP, which was packed. There were only two girls who had any potential, and I figured them for pros/semi-pros. However when I approached them they disdainfully blew me off. They spoke english, were young (mid 20s) and hot, but had no interest in even chatting.
The second time I went with a 19 yr old I'd found on Mamba. It's a funny story...
Years ago I was on a telephone dating site (this was before the internet). The premise was the same, you'd record your greeting, and could respond to others by leaving messages. This one girl had a cutesy innocent voice, but filled with innuendo. We began exchanging messages, and were soon talking directly by phone. Throughout it all she kept up the "I'm so innocent" routine, which of course turned me on immensely! We eventually arranged to meet at a major shopping mall downtown.
On the appointed day, I began walking towards the appointed place at the appointed time. As I approached there was no-one there, except for one girl who appeared to be developmentally challenged, (and also almost bald, as if from chemotherapy or something). An icy knot of horror gripped my stomach as I thought to myself "surely this can't be her!!!". I casually asked her for directions as I passed by, taking care to disguise my voice. Sure enough, she answered in the same cutesy, innocent voice I had been getting off to on the phone!! Horror! I thank her and kept on walking.
Which brings me back to my meeting with this 19yr Mamba girl at the Buddha Bar...
Throughout our 70+ message exchange she had made various references to being "a good girl". I just figured she was playing the game. Well, the day of our meeting I got a text message telling me she was bringing me a surprise. When I got to Buddha Bar, the surprise turned out to be her 20 yr old sister (!!).
For those of you who think that "sister" was code for "bisexual lover", I'm sorry to disappoint. I shared your hopes, but unfortunately it really was her sister. :-(
Buddha Bar is a very expensive restaurant for Kiev. Dinner, drinks and wine for the 3 of us ran to nearly $300. I was still holding out hope for some action at this point. And besides, it was a bit of a trip to have dinner with a couple of tall, willowy 19/20 yr old sisters.
After dinner they wanted to go dancing at Decadence house, and off we went. Notwithstanding the 100 hryvnia cover each, the prices at Decadence were actually more reasonable than at Buddha Bar. And the place was jumping. Full of well dressed guys, also very in shape, and lots of well dressed hot women. The quality of the guys was much higher than somewhere like RP.
I had a good time dancing with the two girls, and watching various guys try to join me as a wing. I tried to help them out in gaining ground with the sister, but she didn't really seem interested.
In fact, to my horror, it turned out that these really were two "good girls". They were out to enjoy an evening paid for by the wealthy horny foreign guy, but there was no action to be had. On the flip side, they were reasonable and were not ordering champagne or anything silly. In total the evening cost me about $400. But that includes my food and drink, as well as cabs for the girls home. As far as sex goes, it was a complete waste. But as far as the being the guy with two young hotties out for an upscale evening, it was actually pretty fun.
I only take girls to Buddha Bar if they've never heard of it. If they actually SUGGEST it for a first date (along with other pricey places), I tend to walk the other way. Players like that are too rich for my blood.
Prada Cafe (opposite Arena) is the other place I like. Once again, lots of sofas :) If you can ignore the brats with rich daddies it's a great place.
. In total the evening cost me about $400.
As a guy whose going mongering with a mate later in the year I find this a particularly sad story.............blowing $400 or two cuties and no sex is well..........heresy on a mongering board !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whats the monthly average wage?
Whats the agency over night rates?
Whats the indies over night rate or indeed by the hour?
THIS IS JUST SOOOOOOO WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS!!!!!!!
B
Doctor_Skank
01-12-10, 18:56
as a guy whose going mongering with a mate later in the year i find this a particularly sad story.............blowing $400 or two cuties and no sex is well..........heresy on a mongering board !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whats the monthly average wage?
whats the agency over night rates?
whats the indies over night rate or indeed by the hour?
this is just sooooooo wrong on so many levels!!!!!!!
bit might be wrong but can happen.
$400 is a bit heavy, but entertaining for 3 all night? that's $133 each... drinks, food, desserts, more drinks... pretty normal fare.
such are the hazards of chasing "freebies". if one isn't careful, it can get out of hand.
more interesting to know would be if fijiman ever had a chance to collect. at least one of the sistas owes him that, they can draw straws to see who is the lucky one!
if i get stuck with a hefty bill and my dick in my hand after a date, i will try to collect on it at some point, just to justify the cost if nothing else! not on another pricey "date" though, it'd have to be something with low cost and high chance for intimacy... )
fijiman has the right attitude though, enjoy the evening for what it is and try to avoid such setups in the future. every monger trying to bed high-speed hotties will end up in this situation sometimes.
if you can't do that, you might as well just stick with pros. short-term they are often cheaper.
OK DS, but am a bit surprised that this amount is "squandered" in pursuit of nothing in return, again, do you know specifically the answers to qs listed?
Cheers, B
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