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Hecker

07-01-10, 21:35

When you are planning to meet a specific girl in Ukraine, you need to have a Plan B and Plan C - in case girl A is not as billed, does not work out, or simply does not show up. All these things happen. So you actually need to arrange to meet 3 girls (or more) and juggle them until you find one that pleases you (or keep juggling them, if you have that much energy). There are dozens of things that can go wrong with even a well-planned arrangement, not the least of which is the girl getting cold feet.

The other thing, about spending the 150 Euros without knowing it, is the "burn rate" for going through money in eastern Europe is incredible.

I don't have any experience in the provinces, but in the major cities you can burn through cash pretty quickly without even spending it on P4P.This is more difficult in provinces. To have plan A, B, see works in Kiev where there are opportunities. In province it is Russian roulette. You just get one chance so you need to first sort things out. If you fail in one city in province you have to change city immediately. In province it is high risk of failure and high rewards. In Kiev it is much more expensive lower risk of failure but lower rewards relatively to money spent. In province for example I had two girls in room by spending just 50 euro every day(total expenses), in Kiev I got one girl(freebie) in the room in two days but I spent 150 euro per day(total expenses, accomodation. Clubs, dating etc). If you pay for p4p as well yu can easily spend 300 euro per day in Kiev. In province for the same you pay 150 euro. But too high risk to fail for the inexperienced traveller. Province is good only for the experienced and fast monger who speaks Russian and prefers being on budget.

Bez Bezarra

07-02-10, 02:04

More difficult in provinces.

To have plan A, B, C works in Kiev where there are opportunities.
In provinces you just get one chance.

If you fail in one city in province you have to change city immediately.

In province it is high risk of failure and high rewards.

In Kiev much more expensive lower risk of failure but lower rewards relatively to money spent.

In province I had two girls in room by spending just 50 euro every day(total expenses).

For p4p 300 euro per day in Kiev.
In province for the same 150 euro.

Too high risk to fail for the inexperienced traveller.

Province is good only for the experienced and fast monger who speaks Russian and prefers being on budget.

Heck old boy. I want to say your experience, while not questionable, leaves this reader with just too many YMMV-isms to stand unchallenged, and the variations in mileage can be quite wide.

Everything I refer to will be about big city experiences that did NOT happen in the capital of Ukraine.

Now maybe for you, the "provinces" mean rural village life, or big towns, but for me, it just means not in Kyiv, because 94% of all Ukrainians (46 million) don't live in Kiev, and that's a lot of pizda!

Let's consider that by using 2 cell phones with different names, I NEVER had a single day with just one chance. Once I had a girl trying to find BOTH of me at the same time, and as we were trying to find each other while she was only half a block away from me trying to tell me exactly where she was waiting, in Russian that I couldn't quite understand, when I saw her and realized it was the same girl calling me on both phones that I hadn't even met yet, already trying to two-time me with my other me, I nearly shit my pants from laughing so hard at the absurdity of trying squeeze together too many first meetings too much too fast.

Fail and have to immediately change to another city?? I failed several times every day, and never even considered changing. (Ok, that part's not true, after multiple failures, I get very strong urges to get my nerve up to run off to the next city that's even harder to learn). Even after 3 weeks, on the train back to Kiev, I'm getting new sms from girlfriends of girlfriends I'd never met asking for a first meeting. It was all I could do, to not jump off the fucking train and run back.

50 euro a day total expense including 2 girls?? My apartment alone costs more than 50 euro. And if you want especially 19 yrs student from technical institutes moonlighting with escort agency, its $70 to $90 per hour, and that's only gonna get you the most basic quickie 20 minute hurry up service. If you want the all out GFE, expect to donate up to $150 to $200 per tart for 2 hour fuckfest. (But yes of course, the prices then go down, the more she returns to see you again)

I suppose I could get 2 girls for 50 euro in the provinces back in 1995, or maybe 2 women age 35, but not anything hot today.

Risk of failure is constant, yes that's 100% right.

High rewards? Yes, but just as likely to have medium rewards or low rewards too. You get an equal amount of hot, average, and no thanks, and its really late and I hope I'm drunk enough that I won't remember her at all tomorrow beasts.

Too high risk??? No, absolutely NO! Risk, is what its all about!

This is where our viewpoints go in total opposite direction. Sorry, but I have to stand up now and call you a spineless jellyfish. (nothing personal)

Risk is the whole reason you go to Ukraine, instead of Dominican Republic or Costa Rica. Limit your risk in Kiev? Why, you have tiny balls?

Don't risk it because you're inexperienced?? You really want to stay that way the rest of your life????

My very first trip, back when I was actually going to find a wife, the girl from the marriage agency magazine that I went all the way out there to meet, after 2 days, I knew she was NOT for me, so I told her so, and she told me to go to hell. I had already paid for an apartment for 10 days. I did not know ANYONE, so I thought, I guess I should just leave and go back to Kiev. Then I said, fuck it. Why should I leave? I'll just meet new people, take a chance. What did I have to lose? I didn't even need balls for that. Just stubborn determination.

The rest is history.

Moliere

07-03-10, 19:33

Greetings!

I don't think I'm the dumbest guy on the forum...on the other hand, if I have a brilliant idea I don't think I'm likely to be the first. So let me ask for reactions to this approach which I have seen discussed.

Background: I live in Kiev and I'm 57 years old.

Since I have absolutely zero interest or tolerance for night clubs, and since I am losing patience with the Mamba approach (make lots of dates, send endless messages, and few of the girls actually show up), I am thinking to invite a girl from someplace like Krivoy Rog to come to Kyiv for a month. Which girl? Well, I would write to several dozen on Mamba/Singles.

In principle, this avoids several problems. The girl does not have an excuse to ask me to send passport, visa and airline money in advance. Nor will she likely send fifteen emails making me think she is interested and waiting for me to propose fifteen successive times and places to meet.

If she actually comes to Kyiv, then she has more invested in the encounter than I do on day one. She has the incentive to make it work, and to send a decent photo since she will not just get back in the taxi and go home.

So comments?

How much to pay for a 19-25 year old at 7/10 for a month? And how do you rate the chances for success given an offer of $2,000 or $2,500 for the month.

All the best,
Moliere

Reiner Otto

07-03-10, 21:00

And how do you rate the chances for success given an offer of $2,000 or $2,500 for the month.

All the best,
Moliere

There should be a 100% successrate, in case of careful selection.
I am just trying something similar, with a girl (7-8) from Zap, but only for one week in Crimea, end of this month, 500$. Found her on singles.
But she does not speak English; I have basic knowledge of Russian.
I will go to Zap before, for a one-night-stand. I want to see her in real life first, and I really doubt, that a girl would spend own money for a trip to a totally stranger, who even might be a "Godzilla".

So I might be able to tell you some facts next month :-)

Uke Boy

07-04-10, 01:53

I am thinking to invite a girl from someplace like Krivoy Rog to come to Kyiv for a month. Which girl? Well, I would write to several dozen on Mamba/Singles.

How much to pay for a 19-25 year old at 7/10 for a month? And how do you rate the chances for success given an offer of $2,000 or $2,500 for the month.
MoliereAre you out of your mind, 2k-2.5K for someone from Krivoy Rog or any other region that you have never met? I would start from $1,000 per month at best (and probably try for less) even if I met the girl and if she stayed with me for the month.

If you live here, you know all is negotiable. Even the vegetables. Women are always subject to negotiation. For you to pay high end prices for low end product is simply unacceptable. Try and not make it worse for the rest of us here.

If you must, conduct an experiment. Send some messages out with $500, others with $800, other with other varying amounts and see what happens. Then report results to us.

I am surprised that living in Kiev as I also do that you cannot find opportunities outside the clubs and mamba. It makes some sense if you do not speak Russian or Ukrainian but surely by now you do?

I have had success with store clerks, waitresses and girls in so many other jobs and locations. It is just a matter of sensing what is possible and then simply starting a conversation. 90% of any meeting that leads to subsequent pleasures is what Bez outlined just below, the determination to succeed. You should never fear failure since there will be another possible conquest just around the corner, especially in Kiev.

LifeSavour

07-04-10, 02:49

Moliere. Up for a pivko?

I will be in Kyiv the 20th.

As for your 'idea'. I have never actually followed thru with your 'plan'

But I have sent countless offers out there.

I have found the girls very timid & reluctant to actually come? Would you? (I wouldn't travel to meet me!).

Why not travel to them? Then if things work, bring 'them back with you?

LS

Moliere

07-04-10, 04:23

Are you out of your mind, 2k-2.5K for someone from Krivoy Rog or any other region that you have never met?

[snip]

I am surprised that living in Kiev as I also do that you cannot find opportunities outside the clubs and mamba. It makes some sense if you do not speak Russian or Ukrainian but surely by now you do?

I have had success with store clerks, waitresses and girls in so many other jobs and locations. It is just a matter of sensing what is possible and then simply starting a conversation. ...

Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, the visibility of my work keeps me from approaching the girls I meet and get to know every day. Hence the idea of finding someone outside Kyiv who would come here.

I will send you a private message to explain.

(Also, I should note that I would not conceive of giving the girl a lump sum when she arrived. A night together...then even payments every day, so 95% of the money would go to a girl I had not only met but slept with. I think Rainer will have the same question in paying the girl $500 for a week. I doubt he will fork over the cash in the first five minutes over coffee.)

Bone Dr

07-04-10, 12:51

I'll be in Kiev in a couple of weeks and don't know Russian yet alone Ukrainian. My language skills suck so a crash course is out of the question. Does anyone have an electronic translator they can recommend? The reviews of most I've seen (like Franklin and Lingo) say they have built in words and phrases and one cannot type in their own sentence. I know it sounds like a stupid question but any suggestions are appreciated.

By the way, I'll be in Kiev July 20-28. Anyone that is there during that time that wants to get together for a drink send a PM.
Cheers,
Doc

Dingdong Bell

07-04-10, 13:13

One place you may have some success at is:

The London School of English
39 Polytehnichna str.,
Building 19, Office 105,
Kyiv, Ukraine 03056

(38044) 277-8654
(38044) 236-5277
(38044) 277-892

If you send them an advert outlining your requirement, they could recommend one of their lead students. It is imperative that you satisfy yourself with a tele-conversation before finalising your choice. A skype chat would give you a visual too, so that you may make up your mind with more information.

Do let us know how this formula works for you.

Cheers/ DD Bell

Cruiser D

07-05-10, 06:38

I already have it penciled in. Always a good time.

I was bummed I couldn't make the 2010 superbowl at RP, but come 2011 it should be a good one. Flights look pretty cheap, from London to Kiev Borispol airport around $190 return. Now to find a miss ukraine competition or something similar.

Cruiser D

07-05-10, 06:50

When things start going south with a pro be willing to quickly hit the eject button.

Totally agree Cruiser, but I've never really had any stand-out sessions with girls from RP (maybe that's my own faulty selection process though), whereas with girls I've either met through Mamba, or just out and about in the city have been much more fun.

For me, RP is a bit of a lazy option or a last resort. After all, nobody STARTS their night there (unless the Superbowl is on ;) )

Sponsor74

07-05-10, 19:09

Bez Bezarra

07-05-10, 20:28

but from 18 y.o any good experiences in sex with them?You should probably stick with the older women, +35 Yrs and +60 Yrs. You'll get them lining up to grill your sausage.

Better pass on this:

Ky Daddy

07-06-10, 04:26

Hi,

I have been trying to use Mamba for the last couple of evenings in an attempt to line up some talent for an upcoming trip without much success. I am thinking that it must be me, that I have no "game" for striking up a conversation. I will see a profile that I like (something that takes some time) and will send a message, with something simple like, "I saw your profile and would like to learn more about you" or "your photos are amazing" or "I am coming to Kiev soon on business and would like to meet you". What do I get in return? Nothing! Almost nothing. Once I got a return message that said, "I kiss him" and it ended there and one other time, I got a price list. Sure, the price list is nice to know, but I would like something a little more than that as I am not opposed to setting up a sponsor situation. So, a little frustrated, I am turning to you, the experienced fishermen out there, for some tips and hints on how to make Mamba work.

Thanks!

Bone Dr

07-06-10, 11:51

One place you may have some success at is:

The London School of English

If you send them an advert outlining your requirement, they could recommend one of their lead students. It is imperative that you satisfy yourself with a tele-conversation before finalising your choice. A skype chat would give you a visual too, so that you may make up your mind with more information.

Do let us know how this formula works for you.

Cheers/ DD Bell

From a line in an old joke I once heard, "Not exactly what I had in mind but I like the way you think." This does actually work well in Beijing where there are a couple of online forums (in English) where one can post they seek an interpreter/traveling companion and vice versa. Invariably, the girls are really seeking a husband and the two I found did make excellent traveling companions. I guess Mamba is the closest I've seen for Kiev.
Cheers,
Doc

Dodger Bulldog

07-06-10, 14:06

A flat is the best solution, read what I have already written several times.Dear Acolonizer,

I see that you like to give advice, so I am confident that you must be able take some consturctive criticisim in the right spirit. Okay?

I just went through your last 150 posts dating back to November 1, 2009, and I did not find one word about flats, which you claim to "have already written several times."

I was looking for actionable information, like a link or a phone number or at least a name. What I got was the same opinion over and over again, which is pretty much that everyone sucks.

So what did I gain from RTFF? Nothing of value.

Again, I remind you to take this in the right spirit: You write an awful lot, but you say very little.

It would clean up this board and make it much easier to read if from now on you would only report empirical facts and drop all of the philosophizing and posturing that goes on in your posts.

Please say something useful or just log off.

Thank you for your consideration!

Ostheer

07-06-10, 14:30

Hi Guys,

I am excited to finally be headed to Kiev this summer. The problem and it is a big one, I fear, is that I don't speak any Russian. I have read through a lot of the recent posts in this forum and know that mamba is the best place to find girls online, river palace and arena probably the best (or most popular) clubs to meet girls in person. Do many of the girls speak English online and in the clubs? I am afraid that without any Russian I will either 1. not be understood and 2. be understood but badly ripped off.

What can you tell me? These forums have been a great source of info for a first-timer. Any further advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Andrew

If its relevant I am 27 and from London.Not sure if Andrew got much of a reply to his original question as I RTFF in briefing myself for my summer sortie to the FSU. So here are my observations.

Bottom line is UA and elsewhere is certainly do-able to a monoglot Englishman. Of course, Russian would make life easier and possible better but I am having enough fun on my trips not to worry about this counter-factual.

To substantiate this I have navigated from Astrakhan to Anapa, around Kursk, Kiev, Kharkov a few times and Belarus the once as sadly on my first trip I came back with a wife... (And that would be my advice to a 27year old if I may, don't deal on the first temptation). As to travels and the practicalities I have never had a single problem over the years which I think speaks volumes as to the inate if low-key hospitality of the locals.

(If you think I am arrogant for not learning Russian - which I would agree on - however it helps convince the wife I am not looking for her replacement.)

The young (to me) girls in bars and clubs I have never approached from cold as for sure the language and age gap work aggressively agaisnt such a style. However, lonely-hearts and strippers are my Plan A and Plan B which has always given me enough thrills and spills to be very happy. As this was not your focus I live that there.

I wish I was 27 again as I may not have to reach for the wallet so often. And that I think has been one of the keys of keeping things smooth: be generous with the cash. A little can go a long way in the FSU, not as far as it used to so be realistic based on quotes given here, however dollars certainly help to smooth over most issues. You don't have to flash the cash. Learn how to palm.

I know in P4P over-paying is deeply frowned upon on the forum for queering the local market but I just go weak at the knees when negotiating with a blondinka and am unable to haggle sensibly over beauty. After all I have flown half way around the world to get my hands on her and quibbling over £100 seems a trifle in comparison to those hassles. So, where possible oil the wheels of commerce.

I have always found saying I am from London to be a mild positive.

Happy hunting.

Ost

Dodger Bulldog

07-06-10, 16:00

I have rented several flats but top place, for me, is Ul. Baseina, close to everything... 10 minutes to all you need and Arena club/disco just in front.Thanks so much for the link!!!

Oh, there is no link. Never mind...

Uke Boy

07-06-10, 16:56

Thanks so much for the link!!! Oh, there is no link. Never mind...Dodger, while you are quite correct in your assessment of Colon, I am surprised you did not hit the "search this thread" function. I just did it and put in the word "apartment" and read back to the beginning of this year. Took all of five minutes.

Based on monger recommendations (I cannot vouch for the opinions since I live here), here are the agencies mentioned positively:

www.kievapts.com
www.kievrentals.com
www.kievforrent.com
http://apartments.com.ua

Sponsor74

07-06-10, 18:21

CallSign Papa

07-06-10, 19:00

Most of my experiences are negative e.g. photos or age not real when I saw the girls (?) live, some are from an agency and they send standard answers etc. Only few good experiences and was ok but the efforts at the end too much for me. Who has much better experiences and how?

I personally find it completely random as to how good/convenient Mamba is. Some trips it works out great, sometimes I end up waiting around only to have some girl show up who looks like a chubbier, older sister of the girl in the photos.

The better option is follow Ukeboy's advice, brush up on your russian and see if you can't pick up girls out and about in the city. They're going to be freebies though and maybe require a few dates.

Eros74

07-06-10, 21:49

...for some tips and hints on how to make Mamba work.

Thanks!

I am using mamba from 2004 when I went for the first time to Moscow, well every year is getting harder with freebie and I look like almost the same and I have now much better photos in my anketa, I live alone, ( I did not... ) , and I try also to invite them to my city for holidays, not to mention my knowledge of russian is much better now too.

So for many reasons I should be more successfull, but I am not, my opinion is that the girls are million times much more spoiled now than before.

Yes I have some good contacts, but I really spend much time daily on mamba and I search not only in Russia and Ukraine, but in almost every FSU country, so probably the right question is....is it still possible to make Mamba work successfull for us ?

P.S. I am talking about freebie, for pros for me works much better, faster, cheaper, easier, zero effort, to find a taxi driver who deliver 2-3 girls to my apartment.

Uke Boy

07-07-10, 00:54

I try also to invite them to my city for holidays, not to mention my knowledge of Russian is much better now too.I know I am repeating myself but Lukasek has nailed down a big part of the problem with mamba.

Not too many girls here speak enough English outside of those you will meet night-in night-out at the clubs such as Buddha or Arena and even River Palace, so these other girls will not likely be able to write back to you in English. Those who do are mostly scammers, hardcore hookers and the agencies. That is why so many of the posters here say they get no answer. It simply a case of them not being able to communicate with you.

I also use mamba but I do so in Russian. I do get a certain number of non-responses, along with the occasional "give me lots of money and I will make your world wonderful." However, I also get a fair number of "normal" girls and replies that lead to interesting meetings. Yes, I also have to try and weed out the scammers and hardcore hores.

Nevertheless it still is an invaluable resource if you can work it right.

Ky Daddy

07-07-10, 04:11

Jake993

07-07-10, 15:04

Thanks for all the comments and the discussion about Mamba. For whatever reason, based upon many previous reports I read here perhaps, I had the impression that getting a sponsoree lined up on Mamba was a fairly simple task. I am not going to be specific here, but I seem to recall many reports starting with lines like: "I just came back and in addition to the pros blah, blah, blah, I had the my leads from Mamba..." What the writer did not say was, "... I had my leads from Mamba that took me 72 man hours and learning Russian in my sleep to cultivate." I guess I will have to stick with the girls at RP until I can learn Russian. Has anyone tried to use Google Translate when communicating on Mamba? Is it any good? I am thinking that perhaps there are more women that can muddle through a Ukranilish conversation in person than there are who feel confident enough to write.

Thoughts on this? What that old saying? "In order to find your prince, you need to kiss a lot of frogs"?

I certainly can"t speak for anyone else, but you need to make a SIGNIFICANT investment in time and effort if you want to score on Mamba. Sure, every once in a while you get lucky and find a little nimphette who just wants to go out for a bite to eat, shoot some tequila, dance the night away and then go back and fuck your brains out. But don"t kid yourself it's more the exception than the rule.

I would say that out of hundreds (maybe thousands) of chat ups I have made
on Mamba in nearly 5 years, I have met about 30 girls in person, maybe a dozen have led to sex, and of those, only TWO have led to sex on the first meeting. After all that time and effort, I will say that the more direct and the more upfront you are about your intentions (ie. tell them up front you are looking for sex) the less time and effort you will waste.

My Russian is ok, but I use a translator in the interest of time. However, just thinking back I would say that your odds improve dramatically when you find a girl who can communicate a little in English. No guarantees, but I think it's an indicator to be aware of.

Good luck,
Jake

AhmedB75

07-08-10, 13:14

Will be staying there for 2 nights.

Is this hotel GF?

Girls available in the bar lobby?

I would be garteful, if someone could share his experience with Hotel Lybid.

Thanks

Bez Bezarra

07-09-10, 04:20

You need to make a SIGNIFICANT investment in time and effort if you want to score on Mamba.

I would say that out of hundreds maybe thousands on Mamba in nearly 5 years, I have met about 30 girls in person, maybe a dozen have led to sex, and of those, only TWO have led to sex on the first meeting.

If you tell them up front you are looking for sex, the less time and effort you will waste.Why isn't anybody mentioning that Mamba has become 90% fake profiles??

Am I the only one that can determine something so completely obvious?

Yes, a few years ago, it was no big deal to find mostly real girls, but now, if you do a search in practically any large city, just for example Donetsk, search for 18 to 21 years, girls looking for sex, you will see the exact same profile written for nearly every girl, and all have 1 photo, and all are looking for a guy 18-40 years.

Then search any other city, let's say Odessa or Dnipro or Kharkiv or even any Russian city, Samara, or Kazan, or Rostov, its practically almost all the exact same girls photos, with the same exact profiles, but sometimes the names are different.

Its totally fake, 90% of those girls do not exist.

Uphigh

07-09-10, 09:12

Here is a good option if you need accomodation for a night or two while you organize your girl-friendly accomodation, or if you have a night where you know that for whatever reason you're not going to be getting any action but you want to be in the center and not pay a ton.

TIU Hostel. 8b Kreschatik Apt. 11. Very near the Hotel Kreschatik. +380 50 331 1847. Dormitory style accomodation is 120UA/night, and a private room (although I don't think they have many) is 300UA/night. Clean, friendly staff. Does the trick. Location is the best part, but everything else is fine too.

Csim 2006

07-10-10, 03:55

Jocky01

07-11-10, 00:30

Been to both and I have to say I thought SPB was better. Now I have the chance to come to one but not both soon, so any reason to swing the pendulum to Kiev from its current position of SPB?

Thanks

CallSign Papa

07-11-10, 09:08

Bez, you're right, but it's a pretty simple task of working out which photos on the search results page are likely to be real girls and those that are 'models' or obscure EE pornstars.

Basically, if she looks too good to be true. She probably is.

It Travel

07-11-10, 12:57

Dodger, while you are quite correct in your assessment of Colon, I am surprised you did not hit the "search this thread" function. I just did it and put in the word "apartment" and read back to the beginning of this year. Took all of five minutes.

Based on monger recommendations (I cannot vouch for the opinions since I live here), here are the agencies mentioned positively:

www.kievapts.com
www.kievrentals.com
www.kievforrent.com
http://apartments.com.ua

Thanks for answering... Uke Boy...

I use usually the last one and if you look at apt 2140 you might find it familiar... HE HE :D can't imagine if that bed and that sofa could talk!

By the way you will surely recognise the apt here...
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=86721 (the mirror miss U.)
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=86699 (the mirror again, Ivol)
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=85594 (the sofa, she is the infamous MT)
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=85227 (the sofa, and poor Inga plugged!)
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=71217 (the sofa... poor Yulia)
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=71203 (Ekaterina, she was also on the sofa, but I was too interested in the boobs to make pics...)

If you search for 2163...
the sofa is the same too (another colour)...
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=118401 (Katya & Nastya on the sofa)
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=118220 (Katya, another, on the sofa)

:D

IT

PS I'm just kidding you... ;)

It Travel

07-11-10, 13:22

Hello,

Anybody here know whereabouts of "Max", Italian guy who used to have a massage center in Kiev for many years? Quite a few mongers know about him but either he changed his business or is no longer in Kiev. Wondering if anybody know him or about what happened to him.

He had a factory too but not in Kiev, as far as I know, and if he is the same guy (180, slightly overweight, approx. 45 now), he is in Italy now.

IT

It Travel

07-11-10, 14:07

Forgot my own photos... and Viola on the sofa...

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=54610

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=513241&postcount=2134

IT

:D

DoctorOral

07-12-10, 08:59

Will be staying there for 2 nights.

Is this hotel GF?

Girls available in the bar lobby?

I would be garteful, if someone could share his experience with Hotel Lybid.

ThanksLybid is ok

Girls need to sign in (not if you book a double room to start with)

Girls in lobby bar are shit but sexy.

Fijiman

07-12-10, 15:01

I certainly can"t speak for anyone else, but you need to make a SIGNIFICANT investment in time and effort if you want to score on Mamba.

This has been my experience. If you tally up the time spent learning passable, basic Russian comprehension, sifting through hundreds of profiles, etc, then Mamba is one of the most expensive ways to get laid.

But if you want to find a genuine non-pro, or a genuine travel companion ("semi-semi-pro") then Mamba is a great option.

The majority of the profiles are indeed real, but of course if you start looking at slutty hard body profiles that were posted in the last 24 hours, then most of those are of course fake.

Some notes that worked for me:
-if you use google translate, or babel fish, try a double translate check (where you input the translated russian into a different translator and see what comes back in english)
-if you don't understand Russian, and are using a translator, admit it in your first post with a little (sorry for my bad russian). also, write in short sentences, and avoid vernacular use, etc. try to learn the basic rules of russian grammar, and that will help you know how to use the translator
-pay someone to translate your Mamba profile into russian, (but once again, admit that you speak russian poorly)
-avoid profiles posted recently, or with only a few photos
-get VIP status (you can pay via credit card)
-don't open with a redundant phrase like "nice profile, I would like to get to know you"/etc, that is simply self evident from the fact that you wrote in the first place
-be bold, don't say the typical "I am a nice polite western man". Once you tell them you don't speak russian, they will know you are western, and by extension polite (compared to most FSU men)
-in your profile leave to door open for romance or sex - even if she is open to slutty sex, sometimes she wants to indulge in her illusion that she is really seeking romance
-use double meanings, rather than crudely asking about sex. if you are crude in asking for sex, then it suggest you will be crude in sex, and you will get only hardcore pros.
-try a little humour ("please don't fall in love with me, I know I am very handsome", "lonely oligarch seeking long walks on the beach", "I am a gigolo with very affordable rates - and the first one is free for select customers")

Again, if you want sex, I think you are much better off finding a pro (massage, escort, stripper), and once you have a that first good experience, get her phone number and go from there. If you take this approach, remember that the most important thing is finding the repeat girl, rather than getting off, and so if you find yourself in what is clearly a losing situation, then cut your losses and walk away rather than spoil your evening.

It Travel

07-12-10, 18:14

This has been my experience. If you tally up the time spent learning passable, basic Russian comprehension, sifting through hundreds of profiles, etc, then Mamba is one of the most expensive ways to get laid.

But if you want to find a genuine non-pro, or a genuine travel companion ("semi-semi-pro") then Mamba is a great option.

The majority of the profiles are indeed real, but of course if you start looking at slutty hard body profiles that were posted in the last 24 hours, then most of those are of course fake.

Some notes that worked for me:
-if you use google translate, or babel fish, try a double translate check (where you input the translated russian into a different translator and see what comes back in english)
-if you don't understand Russian, and are using a translator, admit it in your first post with a little (sorry for my bad russian). also, write in short sentences, and avoid vernacular use, etc. try to learn the basic rules of russian grammar, and that will help you know how to use the translator
-pay someone to translate your Mamba profile into russian, (but once again, admit that you speak russian poorly)
-avoid profiles posted recently, or with only a few photos
-get VIP status (you can pay via credit card)
-don't open with a redundant phrase like "nice profile, I would like to get to know you"/etc, that is simply self evident from the fact that you wrote in the first place
-be bold, don't say the typical "I am a nice polite western man". Once you tell them you don't speak russian, they will know you are western, and by extension polite (compared to most FSU men)
-in your profile leave to door open for romance or sex - even if she is open to slutty sex, sometimes she wants to indulge in her illusion that she is really seeking romance
-use double meanings, rather than crudely asking about sex. if you are crude in asking for sex, then it suggest you will be crude in sex, and you will get only hardcore pros.
-try a little humour ("please don't fall in love with me, I know I am very handsome", "lonely oligarch seeking long walks on the beach", "I am a gigolo with very affordable rates - and the first one is free for select customers")

Again, if you want sex, I think you are much better off finding a pro (massage, escort, stripper), and once you have a that first good experience, get her phone number and go from there. If you take this approach, remember that the most important thing is finding the repeat girl, rather than getting off, and so if you find yourself in what is clearly a losing situation, then cut your losses and walk away rather than spoil your evening.

I almost get all my girls in Kiev via mamba (flirt.ua)... do you really use these systems? How many girls did you get. It seems very strange for me.

IT

Fijiman

07-12-10, 18:27

I almost get all my girls in Kiev via mamba (flirt.ua)... do you really use these systems? How many girls did you get. It seems very strange for me.

IT
I think it is a question of what you're looking for. Sadly for me, empty sex with slutty bunnies isn't enough anymore. I think I'm simply fukked out, when it comes to that. I now am looking for more a a cerebral and emotional connection (haha, ok, bring on the jokes), and yes, this approach works for me (for what I'm looking for).

It Travel

07-12-10, 18:32

i think it is a question of what you're looking for. sadly for me, empty sex with slutty bunnies isn't enough anymore. i think i'm simply fukked out, when it comes to that. i now am looking for more a a cerebral and emotional connection (haha, ok, bring on the jokes), and yes, this approach works for me (for what i'm looking for).

i'm very simple just looking for a nice or so so... (5 is enough) young pig taking it in all holes...

very simple... :d :d

it

ps by the way if you look at my girls... they are not 5, i got form flirt or mamba (whatever you call it) [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) and ivol (a wonderul sex machine and a nice frecled beauty...)

Moliere

07-12-10, 21:22

Why isn't anybody mentioning that Mamba has become 90% fake profiles??

Am I the only one that can determine something so completely obvious?

Yes, a few years ago, it was no big deal to find mostly real girls, but now, if you do a search in practically any large city, just for example Donetsk, search for 18 to 21 years, girls looking for sex, you will see the exact same profile written for nearly every girl, and all have 1 photo, and all are looking for a guy 18-40 years.

Then search any other city, let's say Odessa or Dnipro or Kharkiv or even any Russian city, Samara, or Kazan, or Rostov, its practically almost all the exact same girls photos, with the same exact profiles, but sometimes the names are different.

Its totally fake, 90% of those girls do not exist.

I have spent a lot of effort in the last two weeks on Mamba. Most of what I have seen bears out the comments above from Bez Bezarra. However, most Ukrainian women don't make enough money to spend a big proportion of their time creating fake profiles and giving "run around answers." Some one is creating these profiles and trying to make money doing it.

Bez, can you offer any explanation that holds water? What are the economics of fake profiles?

What I have seen is that sometimes two or three profiles (Who knows? maybe 50 profiles!) are the same girl answering messages with exactly the same "cut-and-paste" phrases in Russian. Why do they answer the messages at all?

Have you seen these phrases which seem designed to just keep the fish on the line?

куришь травку?
можешь мне прислать свои интим фотки?
надо поскорее встретится нам!
ты виртуальный или реальный?

I could give links to the profiles, but I doubt it would save anyone significant effort. The more astute among you have probably noticed that these "cut and paste" phrases are in Russian. So I will modify my question: What are the economics of doing these fake profiles and then exchanging messages with guys who at least read Russian?

Fijiman

07-12-10, 21:41

Moliere

07-13-10, 06:10

Just to be clear, I don't think anyone is saying that Mamba's 13 million profiles are 90% fake.

Rather, what Bez, Moliere and others are saying is that there is a 90% fake rate out of the "18-21 yr old girls with 1 photo, and open to a guy 20 yrs older", and associated other similar types of profiles.

Now let's go to the next question. The girls (guys???) behind these photos and fake profiles...what is your experience? In my experience it is just a "run around." It is not even a "bait and switch." But I can't understand why they put the effort into answering messages at all.

Perhaps if I were more cooperative, they would eventually try to scam me ask me to send money, but since I don't cooperate they don't get that far.

It Travel

07-13-10, 07:31

I think it is a question of what you're looking for. Sadly for me, empty sex with slutty bunnies isn't enough anymore. I think I'm simply fukked out, when it comes to that. I now am looking for more a a cerebral and emotional connection (haha, ok, bring on the jokes), and yes, this approach works for me (for what I'm looking for).

It' exactly why I go on mamba, you find students, normal girls working in an office etc etc...

IT

PS Search Carefully and do your homework ;)

Bez Bezarra

07-13-10, 12:05

The majority of the profiles are indeed real,

but of course if you search for slutty hard body profiles posted in the last 24 hours, then most of those are fake.Sorry but of course, you can't get away with this kind of nonsense. You can try to dump it in with a bunch of other stuff to try to dilute it, so no one will notice, but that doesn't fly either.

There is no search for 'slutty hard body profiles posted in the last 24 hours'.

You can however, do what I suggested, and search 18 to 21 years, in any given large city in the provinces, and narrow the search to girls looking for sex. Maybe that's what you call slutty hard body profiles? But that's not what it is. Its 18 to 21 yrs girls, and its looking for sex, instead of looking for love.

If you do that, the majority are NOT real, because if you simply change the city you search in, you will begin to notice some of the same photos but now they have a different name.

If you change your search to looking for love, you don't all of a sudden change to a majority of real profiles either. You will still find page after page, where most profiles have the exact same text. One photo, same age range, etc.

Mamba used to be legit, it was very useful. I hooked up with relative ease, in 2007, 2008, and 2009.

But this year? You better move on and find something else.

Gentleman Travel

07-13-10, 15:30

Now let's go to the next question. The girls (guys???) behind these photos and fake profiles...what is your experience? In my experience it is just a "run around." It is not even a "bait and switch." But I can't understand why they put the effort into answering messages at all.
I think they are just fishing for live e-mail addresses to resell to other scammers (porn sites, whatever).

But yes, if there is just one photo and almost nothing in the profile, then it is probably false and a waste of time.

Chilaxin

07-13-10, 15:38

I was wondering if anyone had any experience with ukrainedate.com?

It presents itself as a more "legit" dating site however I get the feeling there are alot of scams invloved too.

Uke Boy

07-13-10, 19:30

I was wondering if anyone had any experience with ukrainedate.com? It presents itself as a more "legit" dating site however I get the feeling there are alot of scams invloved too.From my experience, none of these so-called date sites are legitimate, especially if they include Ukraine or Russia.

A little internet snooping shows this is worse than mamba since to get real information you have to pay to join. Not a good sign, especially if you leave them a credit card.

One other factor leads me to think this is actual FRAUD. Here is a list of top cities contributing traffic to Ukrainedate.com: 1- Kiev, 2-London, 3-Hospitalet De Llobregat (???), 4-Istanbul, 5-Houten, NL(???), 6-Lugansk Scam capital of Ukraine, 7-Dnepropetrovsk, 8-Odessa, 9-Cebu, Philippines (??????!!), 10-Mlaga, ES 11-Budapest.

It is a very odd list that leads me to say stay away at all cost.

Dars Veider

07-13-10, 19:55

- rented an apartment via

www.ukr-apartments.kiev.ua

Communication:

Service was good and friendly, people spoke decent English, got prompt email replies, process is clear, website is ok

Apartment:

The building in which the apartment was located was looking run down from the outside and also the stairs were all but in good shape.
The apartment itself was just as in the pictures, with TV, wifi, hot water, basic kitchen equipment, etc. … good value for the money!

Airport pick-up:

Since it was my first time and I arrived late I ordered an airport pick-up. The driver was waiting for me (with a sign with my name on it) and he drove me directly to the apartment. During the transfer the agency called him and he handed his cell phone to me so we discussed the further proceeding. He had the keys and after arriving I paid the apartment rent and the transfer fee cash to him.

Overall:
UKR apartments - Highly recommended!!!

- SIM Card

Bought me a SIM card in a “life” shop on K-street for 15 UAH plus a small credit of 25 UAH.

No ID needed.

The 25 UAH credit lasted my whole 5 days stay.

- Airport bus

On the way back to the airport I decided to go by the airport bus.

Bus costs 25 UAH and leaves at the south side of the train station … the Metro station is on the north side, so just cross through the train station, go out and turn right …. The bus number is 322 and has written “ATACC” and “airport” on it (of course in kyrillic)

Took 45 minutes to reach the terminal building.

Cheers,

DV

Bez Bezarra

07-14-10, 01:59

The top cities contributing to Ukrainedate.com:

1- Kiev,
3-Hospitalet De Llobregat (???),

It is very odd.Lugansk may be the Scam capital of Ukraine, but Kiev is still the scam capital of the Universe.

Obman

07-17-10, 12:17

I am using mamba from 2004 when I went for the first time to Moscow, well every year is getting harder with freebie and I look like almost the same and I have now much better photos in my anketa, I live alone, ( I did not... ) , and I try also to invite them to my city for holidays, not to mention my knowledge of russian is much better now too.

So for many reasons I should be more successfull, but I am not, my opinion is that the girls are million times much more spoiled now than before.

Yes I have some good contacts, but I really spend much time daily on mamba and I search not only in Russia and Ukraine, but in almost every FSU country, so probably the right question is....is it still possible to make Mamba work successfull for us ?

P.S. I am talking about freebie, for pros for me works much better, faster, cheaper, easier, zero effort, to find a taxi driver who deliver 2-3 girls to my apartment.I think it's now much more difficult. Still possible, but with lot of efforts, mainly because the girls who are using mamba now are not the same type of girls that was using it before. Before it was a novelty, or however a convenient way to meet people. Now it is full of prostitutes and girls looking for extra cash, not to mention the fact that the people who run it tend to make it bigger and bigger and to squeeze money from it in several ways.

Now most real girls in mamba are office girls who need s to kill time or vent their sexual desires with unknown men, and sometimes realize them.

I met several girls who tried the site for a week or so and were overwhelmed by the number of dumb messages or offers for sex and deleted the profile soon.

Greatbloke

07-18-10, 14:09

Hello everyone! What a wonderful website!

I am currently visiting Kiev and wanted to know if anyone can recommend in-call premises where I can find a selection of girls. If so, please let me know.

Thanks,

Greatbloke

Mellowtrax

07-18-10, 23:19

Just got back from a great week in Kiev. Here is my report:

Arrived at Boryspil as scheduled. Passport control and luggage pick up only took about 30 minutes. My Russian teacher back home had arranged airport transfer for me (300 UAH) and 45 minutes later I arrived to my apartment located with the best view over Independence Square (see photo).

In my opinion, apartments are by far the best deal. Hotels are nice with room service, cleaning and breakfast included, but apartments are cheaper and give you freedom.

Before meeting with the first girl I had time for two essential things:

1) To get an Ukrainian sim card. Calling from your own cell phone is expensive and not all Ukrainian cell phone numbers can be reached. I went to the Life (one of the 3 major mobile phone operators in Ukraine) store on Khreschatyk Street and the salesman asked me if I wanted to be able to send text messages to MTS and KyivStar numbers. It’s important to say you want this. The sim card only costs 15 UAH and you can choose yourself how much you want to prepay on your card.

2) Shopping. I prefer to do my shopping in the supermarket Billa at the start of Khreschatyk Street. In my opinion, Billa has the widest selection of what you might need for a week in Kiev: Food, alcohol, coffee, juice, laundry detergent etc. Water and beer is heavy and can be purchased in all minor supermarkets closer to where you might live.

Later I met with the first girl, a young, red head. I have made a nice deal with her: 250 USD for 3 days. Despite the fact that I only speak very basic Russian and she only speaks very basic English I had a very good GFE with her.

Body: 6/10. Face: 6/10.
Services: DFK, BBBJ, classic, anal, rimming, CIM and swallow.
Value: Very good. Very tight pussy, firm tits and horny as hell. However, she was very much into hard sex (hair pulling, ass and tit slapping) which is not exactly my turn on.

As agreed, red head went home Monday morning. Monday afternoon I met with second girl: Price was 250 USD for 1 night. With her I experienced the longest session in my life. She told me she loved watching porn movies and playing with toys, so I had downloaded some movies in advance. The vibrator was purchased in the sex shop just across McDonald’s at Independence Square.

Body: 8/10. Face: 9/10.
Services: DFK, BBBJ, classic.
Value: Good. I really like this girl, but she didn’t give me a GFE, which is important to me. Despite the price I will probably see her again on my next visit.

After descent morning sex toy girl left again. By that time I was absolutely drained and went back to sleep. Tuesday afternoon I met with two girls. They were both very nice (blond girl didn’t speak any English, though).

Body: Blonde (6/10), Brunette (5/10). Face: Blonde (5/10), Brunette (5/10).
Services: DFK, BBBJ, classic, CIM.
Damage: 175 USD (1400 UAH) for 2 hours.
Value: Poor. I was very disappointed when I met them IRL. Before meeting them I specifically asked them if they were bisexual which they confirmed. But this is Ukraine… in the middle of the fun only one of them was bisexual… therefore, no lesbian action.

Wednesday afternoon I met with two other girls. Once again I was nervous about the language situation. Them: No English. Me: No Russian. However, they really tried their best, and we had a lot of fun with all the misunderstandings. And they gave me the best GFE yet.

Body: Blonde (9/10), Black (8/10). Face: Blonde (9/10), Black (9/10).
Services: DFK, BBBJ, classic, CIM, lesbian.
Damage: 750 USD for 2 days.
Value: Excellent. Expensive? Maybe… but worth every single grivna!

Conclusion:

1,400 USD for 6 girls… is that overpaying? IMHO, no. I realize more experienced mongers might disagree. Of course I could have done it cheaper, but for what cost? Not having to negotiate about the last 50 USD might have done the difference between a good and great experience or maybe even between a bad and good experience. This time I was not on a budget, but I don’t throw away my money either. Usually, you get what you pay for. Girls don’t like cheap men and if you treat them right you also get a true GFE.

During my previous stays in Kiev I have also tried girls from top-models and GIA, but will never use these sites again. Reason: GIA girls are hard core prostitutes and too expensive (650 USD for 1 day)... Top-models girls usually don’t match the photos (or services) in their profiles and most girls I tried don’t offer BBBJ and DFK. Some girls even don’t want their pussies licked!

That’s why I will only meet with Mamba girls in the future. It takes a lot of work to find the good ones, but it’s possible, even without Russian language skills. Until my Russian is better, I use Google translator as well as online-translator. Then it doesn’t matter if the girls don’t speak English, since most girls really make an effort trying to speak English. However, even basic Russian skills can make a world of difference in the hunt for Ukrainian girls.

Good luck in Ukraine :)

Restaurants and clubs visited:
- Mokko restaurant. Nice food, mid-range
- Monaco restaurant. French food, expensive, best view from outdoor terrace
- Tsarske Selo. Very good Ukrainian restaurant, mid-range
- Da Vinci Fish Club. Italian food, expensive
- Nobu. Sushi place, mid-range (can’t recommend this place)
- Olmeca Plage Beach Club. Expensive, but sooo many hot girls there!
- Arena night club. Face control and expensive, not worth the money. Red head told me the place was filled with P4P. I didn’t spot many, but was also very drunk.
- Sorry, Babushka (night club). Face control. Very nice club. MANY girls in there, both freebies and P4P.

Schlonger

07-19-10, 11:13

Excellent report Mellowtrax. I want to visit Kiev soon myself.

Can you tell us how you had organised your companions beforehand?

Cheers,

S

Just got back from a great week in Kiev. Here is my report:

Arrived at Boryspil as scheduled. Passport control and luggage pick up only took about 30 minutes. My Russian teacher back home had arranged airport transfer for me (300 UAH) and 45 minutes later I arrived to my apartment located with the best view over Independence Square (see photo).

In my opinion, apartments are by far the best deal. Hotels are nice with room service, cleaning and breakfast included, but apartments are cheaper and give you freedom.

Before meeting with the first girl I had time for two essential things:

1) To get an Ukrainian sim card. Calling from your own cell phone is expensive and not all Ukrainian cell phone numbers can be reached. I went to the Life (one of the 3 major mobile phone operators in Ukraine) store on Khreschatyk Street and the salesman asked me if I wanted to be able to send text messages to MTS and KyivStar numbers. It’s important to say you want this. The sim card only costs 15 UAH and you can choose yourself how much you want to prepay on your card.

2) Shopping. I prefer to do my shopping in the supermarket Billa at the start of Khreschatyk Street. In my opinion, Billa has the widest selection of what you might need for a week in Kiev: Food, alcohol, coffee, juice, laundry detergent etc. Water and beer is heavy and can be purchased in all minor supermarkets closer to where you might live.

Later I met with the first girl, a young, red head. I have made a nice deal with her: 250 USD for 3 days. Despite the fact that I only speak very basic Russian and she only speaks very basic English I had a very good GFE with her.

Body: 6/10. Face: 6/10.
Services: DFK, BBBJ, classic, anal, rimming, CIM and swallow.
Value: Very good. Very tight pussy, firm tits and horny as hell. However, she was very much into hard sex (hair pulling, ass and tit slapping) which is not exactly my turn on.

As agreed, red head went home Monday morning. Monday afternoon I met with second girl: Price was 250 USD for 1 night. With her I experienced the longest session in my life. She told me she loved watching porn movies and playing with toys, so I had downloaded some movies in advance. The vibrator was purchased in the sex shop just across McDonald’s at Independence Square.

Body: 8/10. Face: 9/10.
Services: DFK, BBBJ, classic.
Value: Good. I really like this girl, but she didn’t give me a GFE, which is important to me. Despite the price I will probably see her again on my next visit.

After descent morning sex toy girl left again. By that time I was absolutely drained and went back to sleep. Tuesday afternoon I met with two girls. They were both very nice (blond girl didn’t speak any English, though).

Body: Blonde (6/10), Brunette (5/10). Face: Blonde (5/10), Brunette (5/10).
Services: DFK, BBBJ, classic, CIM.
Damage: 175 USD (1400 UAH) for 2 hours.
Value: Poor. I was very disappointed when I met them IRL. Before meeting them I specifically asked them if they were bisexual which they confirmed. But this is Ukraine… in the middle of the fun only one of them was bisexual… therefore, no lesbian action.

Wednesday afternoon I met with two other girls. Once again I was nervous about the language situation. Them: No English. Me: No Russian. However, they really tried their best, and we had a lot of fun with all the misunderstandings. And they gave me the best GFE yet.

Body: Blonde (9/10), Black (8/10). Face: Blonde (9/10), Black (9/10).
Services: DFK, BBBJ, classic, CIM, lesbian.
Damage: 750 USD for 2 days.
Value: Excellent. Expensive? Maybe… but worth every single grivna!

Conclusion:

1,400 USD for 6 girls… is that overpaying? IMHO, no. I realize more experienced mongers might disagree. Of course I could have done it cheaper, but for what cost? Not having to negotiate about the last 50 USD might have done the difference between a good and great experience or maybe even between a bad and good experience. This time I was not on a budget, but I don’t throw away my money either. Usually, you get what you pay for. Girls don’t like cheap men and if you treat them right you also get a true GFE.

During my previous stays in Kiev I have also tried girls from top-models and GIA, but will never use these sites again. Reason: GIA girls are hard core prostitutes and too expensive (650 USD for 1 day)... Top-models girls usually don’t match the photos (or services) in their profiles and most girls I tried don’t offer BBBJ and DFK. Some girls even don’t want their pussies licked!

That’s why I will only meet with Mamba girls in the future. It takes a lot of work to find the good ones, but it’s possible, even without Russian language skills. Until my Russian is better, I use Google translator as well as online-translator. Then it doesn’t matter if the girls don’t speak English, since most girls really make an effort trying to speak English. However, even basic Russian skills can make a world of difference in the hunt for Ukrainian girls.

Good luck in Ukraine :)

Restaurants and clubs visited:
- Mokko restaurant. Nice food, mid-range
- Monaco restaurant. French food, expensive, best view from outdoor terrace
- Tsarske Selo. Very good Ukrainian restaurant, mid-range
- Da Vinci Fish Club. Italian food, expensive
- Nobu. Sushi place, mid-range (can’t recommend this place)
- Olmeca Plage Beach Club. Expensive, but sooo many hot girls there!
- Arena night club. Face control and expensive, not worth the money. Red head told me the place was filled with P4P. I didn’t spot many, but was also very drunk.
- Sorry, Babushka (night club). Face control. Very nice club. MANY girls in there, both freebies and P4P.

Uphigh

07-20-10, 06:12

Guys, regarding the discussion about whether Mamba is good/worth it, I've been getting the impression lately that mail. Ru may be worth investigating. My understanding is that it's sort of the FSU version of facebook, in that it's not just a dating site but a social networking site.

In my conversations with locals, it seems like they're always saying I met my friend on mail. Ru, I met a girl on mail. Ru etc. I created a profile a few months ago but haven't gotten around to trying it. As far as I could tell the site runs only in Russian. I did the setup slowly in Russian, but come to think of it google should translate the page.

Anyway, something to think about. If it is a full social networking site and popular now, maybe it would be a way to meet normal girls on their turf so to speak. Everyone agrees that mamba has been hijacked by time-wasters to at least some extent, and there are a lot of horny guys using it every day.

CallSign Papa

07-20-10, 09:21

There's two parts to mail.ru - if you click the link for Знакомства you'll see that it goes to Mamba anyway (just a different name).

The Moj Mir section is like Facebook, but you won't find P4P there, and you'll need russian or you won't get past a first message.

Like anything, it works if you put the time in.

Mellowtrax

07-20-10, 09:55

Can you tell us how you had organised your companions beforehand?Hi Schlonger

Usually I start correspond with the girls 1 month before arrival. The girls who are interested in a long correspondence are usually also serious when you meet them IRL. In the beginning I write with several girls, then time will quickly show you who's serious and who's not.

I organized my companions in already made arrangements and back-ups. I'm a safety junkie and prefer to have all my days arranged beforehand. This obviously doesn't leave much time for P4P and freebies, but I don't like the disappointment of going home alone from a night club, crashing drunk and desperate into RP at 3 am in the morning or calling one of my back-ups just to find out she's not available until next day. But hey. That's just me.

Perhaps my point of view will change when my Russian language skills will improve. At this time I prefer safe deals with girls who can help me with the small, but important things such as negotiating the price with taxi drivers, translate menus at restaurants, finding the right Marshrutky (mini-bus) or train in the metro etc.

Regards,

Mellow

Irish Lad

07-20-10, 16:43

Mamba, or the English version www.Freerussiandating. Us, has like many other sites including facebook become a tool for marketing. The best way to get the most out of correspondence is to VIP yourself and follow the following guidelines.

1. Don't waste time translating with someone who doesn't speak English if you don't speak Russian, although remember many girls speak sufficient English but can't write in Russian. Any meetings will probably be a disaster.

2. Profiles with 1 photo are 90% nonsense.

3. Be up front about what you search for if you're offering sponsorship.

4. $2,000 per month is a lot of money to a girl from Zaparoze.

5. Don't worry if the girl is only seeking marriage. Many girls have 2 profiles with different aims.

6. Use the photo line that appears along the top. Insert a clear message saying what you offer.

7. Start your campaign 7-10 days before arrival.

8. Double book, no show rate is 50%, or at least have plan B and C.

You'll need to spend an hour a day for 7-10 days to get the most out of it.

Enjoy

Jojosun

07-20-10, 20:18

Anyone here is still using Flirt.com.ua?

I used this one for my trips to Kiev with some success.

I realize Flirt and mamba are the same, but is there anyone here who is using Flirt?

Mellowtrax

07-20-10, 22:20

Anyone here is still using Flirt.com.ua?

I used this one for my trips to Kiev with some success.

I realize Flirt and mamba are the same, but is there anyone here who is using Flirt?I do. I think Flirt is more user-friendly than Mamba. However, Mamba has more features than Flirt (20 photos on top and more VIP-stuff).

Furthermore, when I get a new message in Russian from a girl, I can only copy and paste the text into a translator if I open the message through Mamba. Only after 3 or 4 messages I can also do it through Flirt.

Very strange.

Obman

07-21-10, 13:39

Later I met with the first girl, a young, red head. I have made a nice deal with her: 250 USD for 3 days.
...............
Damage: 750 USD for 2 days.
Value: Excellent. Expensive? Maybe… but worth every single grivna!
Prices are not too high, when they deliver you what was agreed.
And you put very demanding time constrains: a quick session can be had for few hundreds griven, but if you ask a girl to be available for 2-3 days she cannot ask you 50 or 100$. Either she quotes you few hundreds dollars, or she stays for you for free. This is not Thailand.

I wonder what you mean when you write that you make deals for 2 or 3 days. Do you keep the girls with you 24 hours a day, ready to have sex at your will?

However nice report and some of your girls look really nice

Irish Lad

07-21-10, 18:27

Oops, link didn't work. www.freerussiandating.us

Mamba, or the English version www.Freerussiandating. Us, has like many other sites including facebook become a tool for marketing. The best way to get the most out of correspondence is to VIP yourself and follow the following guidelines.

1. Don't waste time translating with someone who doesn't speak English if you don't speak Russian, although remember many girls speak sufficient English but can't write in Russian. Any meetings will probably be a disaster.

2. Profiles with 1 photo are 90% nonsense.

3. Be up front about what you search for if you're offering sponsorship.

4. $2,000 per month is a lot of money to a girl from Zaparoze.

5. Don't worry if the girl is only seeking marriage. Many girls have 2 profiles with different aims.

6. Use the photo line that appears along the top. Insert a clear message saying what you offer.

7. Start your campaign 7-10 days before arrival.

8. Double book, no show rate is 50%, or at least have plan B and C.

You'll need to spend an hour a day for 7-10 days to get the most out of it.

Enjoy

Mellowtrax

07-21-10, 23:26

I wonder what you mean when you write that you make deals for 2 or 3 days. Do you keep the girls with you 24 hours a day, ready to have sex at your will?Hi Obman,

Yes, I keep the girls with me for 24 hours a day. I like to be with the girls 24/7 and to do other things with them besides sex.

Usually, sex on command is not good sex. I prefer to have sex when the girl also wants to. However, some girls will do anything to avoid doing what you’re paying them for by saying “We have sex later, I promise”. With that type of girl I just tell them that “either we have sex NOW or the deal is off. Then I just take my money back and you can go home”. That always makes them think twice. And learned from my own mistakes I never pay the girl the full amount in advance. Half when we meet, the rest when she leaves. Most girls agree to this.

Regarding the length of the sponsorship: Usually I start with making a deal for 24 hours (let’s say 250 USD). If I like the girl I make a new deal for another 24 hours (another 250 USD). I realize this is a more expensive solution. In this situation the girl’s literally got you by the balls, because she knows you like her and she will be in a position to demand the same as the previous amount. However, if we had agreed in advance of our meeting to meet for a period of 2 days I would only have offered her 400-450 USD and not 500 USD, of course.

Regards,

Mellow

Bez Bezarra

07-22-10, 13:18

I keep the girl with me 24/7 to do other things besides sex.

Sex on command is not good.

I prefer sex when the girl wants to.

However, if a girl says “not now, later", I tell them that “either NOW or no money and you can go”.

Regarding the length of the sponsorship: Usually I start with 24 hours for 250 USD.As usual, its the Bez that has to enforce the truth here.

1. How exactly is, "spread your legs right now or get out and no money", not sex on command, which if its not good, then bother anyway?

2. Don't know about Mr. Mellow here, but even in the provinces, you'll be EXTREMELY lucky to find some 18 year old hottie that is willing to accept anything less than $150 for TWO hours, so you can forget about $250 for 24 hours.

3. How does a monger deal with 10 or 20 different dyevs he's trying to date, by keeping ANY 1 dyev around for 24 or 48 hours?

Please do not reply to any of these, they are rhetorical, and intended to create some logical thinking. Not attacks for exposing BS.

Jojosun

07-22-10, 14:04

I do. I think Flirt is more user-friendly than Mamba. However, Mamba has more features than Flirt (20 photos on top and more VIP-stuff).

Furthermore, when I get a new message in Russian from a girl, I can only copy and paste the text into a translator if I open the message through Mamba. Only after 3 or 4 messages I can also do it through Flirt.

Very strange.I had more contacts for girls in Kiev on Flirt, than for Mamba.

On mamba made contacts for Russian girls in London.

I never knew so many Russian girls are now living in London and the Uk.

One of them ebraced capitalism so quickly, that she wanted me to pre cover her expenses for our first meeting.

Ie I pay for her Hairdo, makeup, clothes and Taxi fare.

So I countered, by saying I will be coming to a Pub near you. No need for taxi.

Your other expenses is part of your profile, which you have to sell to me, and I can't help you selling yourself to me or anyone else.

Talking about the Nany State.

Jojosun

07-22-10, 14:10

Mellowtrax

07-23-10, 01:47

As usual, its the Bez that has to enforce the truth here.

1. How exactly is, "spread your legs right now or get out and no money", not sex on command, which if its not good, then bother anyway?

2. Don't know about Mr. Mellow here, but even in the provinces, you'll be EXTREMELY lucky to find some 18 year old hottie that is willing to accept anything less than $150 for TWO hours, so you can forget about $250 for 24 hours.

3. How does a monger deal with 10 or 20 different dyevs he's trying to date, by keeping ANY 1 dyev around for 24 or 48 hours?

Please do not reply to any of these, they are rhetorical, and intended to create some logical thinking. Not attacks for exposing BS.Hi Bez

Please don’t call me a liar and then expect me not to react.

First of all, if you want to quote what I wrote you shouldn’t edit it to your own behalf. It might be small changes, and you may respond that it makes no difference, but then why edit it in the first place?

I wrote “USUALLY, sex on command is not good” and “I prefer (to have sex) when to girl ALSO wants to”.

1. Yes, I’ve had sex a couple of times on command with reluctant girls who just wanted to get paid without having sex This was not good sex. But sex is like pizza. Even when it’s bad it’s still pretty good. That’s why I bother! However, nobody wants to eat bad pizza every day. In that case I don’t eat up and throw the rest out and hope my next pizza is excellent.

2. It’s very possible to find girls for 250 USD (2000 Grivna) for 24 hours. Actually, I only paid each of my two last girls 190 USD (1500 Grivna) for 24 hours (6000 Grivna in total). And in my opinion, they are both young and hot. After posting my Kiev report I have received quite a lot PM’s. Why should I lie about the prices and then give the contact info for the girls to other mongers just for them to find out that the prices are BS?

3. We are all different regarding taste and desire. Personally, I prefer quality over quantity. When I’m in Kiev I prefer to have all my dates planned in advance. If I find 3, 4 or 5 girls I like I’ll stick with them. I don’t need to fuck 10 or 20 different girls in a week.

You are fully entitled to think I’m a liar. Of course you are. Or maybe some people are just better negotiating than you are?

Mellow

Reiner Otto

07-23-10, 06:47

2. Don't know about Mr. Mellow here, but even in the provinces, you'll be EXTREMELY lucky to find some 18 year old hottie that is willing to accept anything less than $150 for TWO hours, so you can forget about $250 for 24 hours.

Ok, I also have problems to find 18 year oldhotti. But beginning of 20ies, 7-8, standard rate is 300UHA-350UHA per hour.
I am really wondering, what you are considering provinces .... Of course, during summertime inYalta, prices are definitely higher.

Timmy21

07-23-10, 13:26

Should be posted in other areas; however, I reside in a provicial city in East Ukraine, I would say it's very doable to find a nice 18-20 yr. Old for around $150 all night, adaquate performance, and all night means 20:00, to 08:00, keep in mind I am not saying you'll find a price like this on Mamba.

Uphigh

07-24-10, 09:39

On my way back from the provinces I had one night in Kiev. Since I was there, I wanted to see some of the places for myself. I'm a thrifty traveller so I was travelling by metro. First I went to shooters. I understand from the forum that there it's mix of pros, semi-pros and civilians. It's probably a ten minute walk from the Arsenalna metro station and was easy to find. I got there about nine and it was dead. Staff were friendly and the prices were reasonable. I think there was a cover charge, but I had arrived early enough to miss it.

Since shooters was dead and I knew I wanted to see River Palace with what little time I had, I headed out the door. I rode the metro one more stop (to Dnipro station), which is practically within spitting distance of River Palace. I headed in. The staff were friendly. It was dead at first, with only 3 or 4 girls. But around 10: 30 more started to arrive. By probably 11 it was probably up to 25 girls, and more girls than guys. I'm sure it gets busier later.

Firstly, a blond names Lisa sat beside me and started to work on me. She started at $300 and dropped immediately to $200 for an hour. I'm thrifty, got a bad vibe from her, and at that time didn't care whether I got any action or not (until later, when I started thinking with my dick). I offered $150 and she didn't move from $200. Later she asked me to pay for her 36UA drink, saying it was nothing for me. I'm frankly a bit tired of Ukrainians asking me to pay for stuff because "it's nothing for me", and I told her so. At home when I go out with rich friends I wouldn't send the bill to them because it's "nothing" to them. I still believe that normal Ukrainians aren't full-time money suckers, but there are plenty who are.

Next comes the stupid me part. Having determined that Lisa was not Ms. Right Now, I dropped over to the next table. And they saw me coming. Did I mention that I was about to be stupid? Blonde Olya and Brunnette Lena. Olya say early 30's and a 6 on the Ukraine looks scale, Lena probably mid 20's and a 7. 5 (in other words, being a Ukrainian 7. 5 Lena was a normal hot Ukrainian chick, or by way of reference a girl where in the west everyone would say shit that chick is HOT). Olya says $200. I say I'm on a budget but could do $150. Olya says ok 150, and it's for both of us. Alarm bells should have been ringing at that point. So we leave. Taxi to sauna 150 UA (ripoff). Sauna 200UA (normal). Then Olya says we agreed on 200 euros, not 200 dollars. Should have walked out right there. But I was stupid. So now we're up to $200 (which I didn't realize at the time is more than 150 euros, but are you surprised?). And they want $10 each for taxi. Then we hit the bedroom. Lena starts sucking my cock like a banshee. I reach for Olya thinking that I might as well enjoy her at the same time. Olya says pussy licking is an extra 300 and when I try to pull Olya over to touch her body Lena say "please, not comfortable". Yes, you can see how all this is going.

Lena jumps on me and starts riding me super hard and fast. Usually I don't come quickly, but I hadn't come for a few days, and she was riding me really hard. I almost came. Lena jumps off, changes condoms, and Olya jumps on. I came right away. Shit. Then they say flip over and we'll give you a massage. They proceed to give me a lame-ass massage for about 5 minutes, and then they hit the showers. At this point there wasn't much I could do. All of this took way less than an hour. I'm a nice guy and it's not in my nature to start yelling at people and blocking doorways, etc., and I'm sure Olya and Lena realized that and used it to their advantage. I did give them a pretty hard time and told them that they knew damn well it was unfair, but there wan't much to be done. Olya heading home to Boryspol, one foreigner fleeced, a night of work done. Lena headed I don't know where.

Conclusions: unlike me, use your brain. Forum members have said time and time again that especially in a place like river Palace, agree on exactly how much and exactly what is included. I stupidly did not follow this simple advice. Also, among the many things that went wrong, I would lean towards not taking two girls at once. It's a bit easier to browbeat one girl into giving you what she owes you, bit when two of them are chirping at you in a mix of Russian and English at a mile a minute it becomes harder to be forceful.

Anyway, a pretty pathetic performance by me, but I hope this helps emphasize the excellent advice given by others that you must agree on exactly what's included, and that River Palace can be a shark tank. Also, I would consider insisting on paying half at the beginning and half at the end, because girls like Olya and Lena were going to rip me off no matter how what was agreed on, so I think the only thing that would have kept them honest would have been to pay half at the end.

Bez Bezarra

07-24-10, 15:13

Hi Bez

Please don’t call me a liar.

If you want to quote me then why edit me?

1. Sex is like pizza, when it’s bad it’s still good. I don’t throw it out and hope my next pizza is excellent.

2. I paid my two young and hot last girls 190 USD for 24 hours. Why should I lie?

3. We are all different regarding taste and desire. I don’t need to fuck 10 or 20 different girls in a week.

Some people are just better negotiating than you are?

MelDearest Mel,

You certainly are a mellow fellow! No hard feelings, ok? I really admire you, so don't get the wrong idea.

If I wanted to call you a liar, I would have written, "Trix is a bloody liar!" Please re-check my post and you'll notice that's not there.

Why edit your quote?

Simply for time and content, my esteemed colleague, that's all. The purpose is to cut out what's not necessary, AND to put the stress exactly where it needs to be. Most people write a lot of extraneous material that makes the important point, that I am emphasizing has a problem, a little less clear. Editing just boils it down to the realest deal. Many writers don't get that, but the point is, most readers do.

You make the most important point of all, and that's why I like your style.

Thank God we all have different taste, it would be so incredibly boring if we all wanted the same thing!

And another gem, Sex IS Pizza! Hell yes!

Now let's disagree.

Bad pizza sucks! Throw that shit out. Eating bad pizza is for schmucks! Go find the good stuff. Don't lower yourself and settle for crap when good stuff is out there somewhere.

Why should you lie that your last 2 young hot girls cost you $190 for 24 hours?
Uhhh, let's see, because no one has yet invented telling a lie?
Why don't you just prove it, and post one photo?
You'll go from suspicious to instantly credible.
Young and hot on your scale could be a 25 year old mother of 3.
On my scale, what you call young and hot could be a 4 out of 10.
Post some pics, give us some perspective.
If you're not afraid to.
Remember, that's your duty as a member of this forum, to do the most that you can to contribute.
Anyone can write how hot some girl was.
Only someone credible will back that up with a photo.
The rest are just, well, testicularly challenged.

I don't REALLY need to fuck 10 girls a week, it just takes me that many to find one or two that I really want to fuck again, because to be honest, most are really just average, only a few are what we like to call superstars. And they are what its all about. So I guess I really do!

Separate the wheat from the chaff, as they say.

Now let's agree again.

I AM absolutely one of the world's WORST negotiators! No doubt about it.

Now this depends of course. If I am standing in the doorway of some cat house in the provinces with my Russian driver, and some mamachka tells me that she wants $100 an hour for her new girl, even if she's 18 and cute and just started working yesterday, I'll still get her to come down to $60. Because if I don't, I've already instructed my driver to kick my ass. In fact, I just let him speak for me. I know, I'm a lazy bastard, but that's what I pay him for anyway, and he earns it, every kopek.

But if I find Miss Superstar styudenka through Mamba or my many other sources, take her out for chai, and get her up to my flat, and she is sitting, or even worse, seductively posing, in front of me, dangling her perfectly untouched body and angelic face a few inches from my filthy imagination, wiggling her little butt in my nose, and batting her beautiful eyes at me, my negotiating skills just took a 50 mile hike, and I can barely speak the words, "anything, anything you want, my angel!!!"

That's just the way it is, cause that's what its all about.

Last comment. Due to some difficulties, I haven't returned to the Ukrainian provinces since 2008, so I can't comment on what girls are willing to currently accept from an old fart like Bez, since the kreesis has affected the economy. And the Russian provinces that I have visited since then, are by no means, way the hell far out in bumfuckistan, so the price of everything of quality there is NOT cheap, kreesis or not. So I would listen to an Expert like our colleague Mr. Reiner Otto, who HAS been out there in the trenches carrying on the good fight.

He is the man. Now.

But I shall return.

Mellowtrax

07-24-10, 19:13

1. Why should you lie that your last 2 young hot girls cost you $190 for 24 hours?

Uhhh, let's see, because no one has yet invented telling a lie?

Why don't you just prove it, and post one photo?

2. Bad pizza sucks! Throw that shit out. Eating bad pizza is for schmucks! Go find the good stuff.

3. I don't REALLY need to fuck 10 girls a week, it just takes me that many to find one or two that I really want to fuck again, because to be honest, most are really just average, only a few are what we like to call superstars. And they are what its all about. So I guess I really do!Hi Bez,

1. I did post some photos in my Kiev report (#6565) to give some perspective. You might have missed them. I wrote that I met with two girls for 2 days for 750 USD (6000 UAH); or 190 USD each for 24 hours. Pics of the girls are 5+6 in my report. Or do you want me to take pics of the money exchanging hands or a photo of a receipt?

2. The problem with bad pizza is that you pay for the pizza before you taste it. As I wrote in one of my previous reports I don’t pay the full amount to start with. Half when we meet, the rest when she leaves. This often motivates the girls to perform and keep the deal (services that we agreed to).

3. I guess we all have different method of operation. Personally, I hate disappointments. That’s why I spend a lot of time to correspond with the girls before we meet to avoid fucking 10 girls to find 1 or 2 to keep. Of course you can still get disappointed, but knowing the girls in advance helps me to decrease the risk of disappointment compared to calling a random chick from Top-models or Minuet.

About quotation. You did it again. You quoted me for writing “Sex is like pizza, when it’s bad it’s still good. I don’t throw it out”. What I actually wrote was “In that case I don’t eat up and throw the rest out and hope my next pizza is excellent“. You see my point? The word ”don’t” in your quotation completely changes the meaning of what I wrote.

I still consider myself a newbie in Kiev. I have now been there 3 times this year, so I’m starting to learn the game. All beginning is difficult, and like most newbies I have also made mistakes, overpaid and been scammed. However, as honest as I am about these facts, I am equally honest in my reports about prices, facts etc. ISG was a huge help for me before my first visit, and I want my reports to be a help for other newbies… by writing trustworthy reports.

Finally a little perspective about prices in Kiev. Prices are vague. What I pay for a girl is not necessarily the same other people pay. It all depends on services, the market and circumstances. It turns out that another monger only paid the two girls, whom I paid 1400 UAH, 1000 UAH, and in this case also for 2 hours and the same services. Does this mean that I overpaid 400 UAH? Perhaps. Or maybe the girls liked the other guy more than me. Or maybe the other guy is a better negotiator. Or maybe the girls were more in need of money then. These questions will never be answered. Only GIA and other sites have set prices. On Mamba the code word is in deed negotiate, negotiate, negotiate!

Mellow

Jojosun

07-24-10, 19:16

The best way I found to get the hot ones of RP, and there are quite few of them, at discounted prices is the following.

Everytime I got approached by a hot one, I just tell her I can only meet her the following day early evening (give me your phone no, I call you, says I).

I never discussed prices, but when I did phone some of them the following day they were more than willing to do few hours for $150. Happy hour prices.

I am sure the semi pros and there were some students, would even accept $100, in the afternoon.

Kurenda

07-24-10, 20:02

Should be posted in other areas; however, I reside in a provicial city in East UkraineSo when we are going to see some good report on Lugansk?

Sebans

07-26-10, 10:17

I was mislead by reports and tv documentaries saying that ukraine was becoming like Thailand and I decided to take a vacation there. Even if I had decided not to go to ex-comunnist countries anymore after poor experiences of the years before in other area countries.

There are hot girls in the streets of Kiev, but in every city there are hot girls in the streets. What I wanted iis a place where I could find a lot of stunning young girls and easy pull up them for no more that 50 dollars per night as I'm used in brazil, Philippines and Thailand, but I failed miserly in Kiev

I visited the following clubs: Arena, Avalon, Caribbean, River palace, Vodka bar after midnight to find the place full of semi-pro girls as expected, but what I found were many Ukrainan men and many more middle eastern, turkish and iranian men looking for girls like me.

But the girls boys ratio is one girl each 2 men and the few semi-pros were soon taken.

The average price quoted is $ 200 that at first seemed too much for a poor country lik. E ukraine, but being there so few girls compared to men it is after all the right price.

I always counterofferd $ 100 and suceeded in getting 3 girls on my whole stay since after the first week I stopped going out and loosing my time.

Kiev is not a place for quick pull up of girlsd an even if you are ready to spend 200 or 300 dollars there are a lot of iranian, and turkish men that will take the girl before you.

Now I'm Very happy to go back to italy and plan my next mongering vacation in one of my usual places.

Irish Lad

07-27-10, 01:55

I still consider myself a newbie in Kiev. I have now been there 3 times this year, so I’m starting to learn the game. All beginning is difficult, and like most newbies I have also made mistakes, overpaid and been scammed. However, as honest as I am about these facts, I am equally honest in my reports about prices, facts etc. ISG was a huge help for me before my first visit, and I want my reports to be a help for other newbies… by writing trustworthy reports. Although a newbie, you made all the right moves for visiting Kiev. Read the forum and planned according to your own tastes and style. All is possible in Kiev given enough time but for a short visit I feel you made and got the most anyone could out of a visit here. I consider your reports a true account of what is possible given your approach and appreciate the high density of information contained in them.

As discussed in PMs, your account of the 2 girls you met is 100% accurate as I also met them coincidently as have other visitors I know. Nice girls but not supermodels.

CallSign Papa

07-27-10, 14:29

I was mislead by reports and tv documentaries saying that ukraine was becoming like Thailand and I decided to take a vacation there.

Yeah, because the TV is never wrong.

Next time RTFF BEFORE you spend time and money holidaying in Kiev.

You mention clubs for meeting girls, what about the parks, the malls, cafe's, the streets. It's summer, they're all out there to be had. You expected them all to come running to your feet because you've got designer jeans and $500 in your pocket?

And you went with a basic knowledge of Russian, or you expected the dyevs to speak your language in their own city?

sorry you had a shit time but where are the reports for the 3 girls?

It Travel

07-27-10, 15:38

Although a newbie, you made all the right moves for visiting Kiev. Read the forum and planned according to your own tastes and style. All is possible in Kiev given enough time but for a short visit I feel you made and got the most anyone could out of a visit here. I consider your reports a true account of what is possible given your approach and appreciate the high density of information contained in them.

As discussed in PMs, your account of the 2 girls you met is 100% accurate as I also met them coincidently as have other visitors I know. Nice girls but not supermodels.

Yep IL... for good sex you do not need supermodels... nice normal ones (as we both know) are far better!

IT

PS will be soon there...

DoctorOral

07-27-10, 16:00

Just like at home, Kiev does indeed feature a superb meat (packing) district with a large selection of fresh goods - only that some of the products are not available early in the day!

Mellowtrax

07-27-10, 18:37

Although a newbie, you made all the right moves for visiting Kiev. Read the forum and planned according to your own tastes and style. All is possible in Kiev given enough time but for a short visit I feel you made and got the most anyone could out of a visit here. I consider your reports a true account of what is possible given your approach and appreciate the high density of information contained in them.

As discussed in PMs, your account of the 2 girls you met is 100% accurate as I also met them coincidently as have other visitors I know. Nice girls but not supermodels.Thanks, IL. It’s nice to know one’s reports are appreciated. Before I went to Kiev the first time I spent A LOT OF time reading reports in here, so it’s nice to give something back.

I’m working on a great line up for my next visit. Hope it will be soon. Of course I will keep the forum informed through more reports.

Mellow

Sebans

07-27-10, 19:36

Yeah, because the TV is never wrong.

Next time RTFF BEFORE you spend time and money holidaying in Kiev.

You mention clubs for meeting girls, what about the parks, the malls, cafe's, the streets. It's summer, they're all out there to be had. You expected them all to come running to your feet because you've got designer jeans and $500 in your pocket?

And you went with a basic knowledge of Russian, or you expected the dyevs to speak your language in their own city?

sorry you had a shit time but where are the reports for the 3 girls?First of all I didn't complain about anything but stated a simple fact.

It seems you taking it personally and the fact that I don't value Kiev as a good semi-pro quick pull up destination compared to my known places make you angry

Are you renting apartments in Kiev?

CallSign Papa

07-28-10, 08:18

First of all I didn't complain about anything but stated a simple fact.

It seems you taking it personally and the fact that I don't value Kiev as a good semi-pro quick pull up destination compared to my known places make you angry

Are you renting apartments in Kiev?

What I'm concerned about, is that people who come to the forum get a good balanced view about the possibilities that Kyiv (and every other city on ISG) offers.

You clearly did little to no research in advance, which imho is asking for trouble. so really your post is only useful as a cautionary tale to others about the lack of prep before a trip.

Unless of course, you want to write a report about the 3 girls you saw whilst you were there. Which is of course, what you should do.

It Travel

07-28-10, 08:52

Just like at home, Kiev does indeed feature a superb meat (packing) district with a large selection of fresh goods - only that some of the products are not available early in the day!

Bessarabski Rinok? If you buy some Ikra or cheese or whatever usually you can taste it...

May be you can put the miniskirted on the benk and taste whats is still wrapped in white! Would not buy if noy juicy enough! :D :D :D

:p

IT

Sebans

07-28-10, 10:47

What I'm concerned about, is that people who come to the forum get a good balanced view about the possibilities that Kyiv (and every other city on ISG) offers.

You clearly did little to no research in advance, which imho is asking for trouble. so really your post is only useful as a cautionary tale to others about the lack of prep before a trip.

Unless of course, you want to write a report about the 3 girls you saw whilst you were there. Which is of course, what you should do.Beside the 3 that I went with I refused to go with 2 girls that accepted my counteroffer of $ 100 but wanted to go atonce and to do it fast.

What you want to know about the 3 semi pros that I fucked, who cares about the fucking of other member here, What is the use of it

What is important is to know that in Kiev, I didn't find that big offer of girls as was expecting and that Kiev is mainly for middle easterm, turkish and iranian people not for western people except the few Americans that run their dating agencies scams

Since it was never alerted in all the post I read, I wanted to report to other members the fact that if you don't do your 2 weeeks preparation with mamba contacting members in Russian, don't speak Russian, don't go to brothels, don't like massages, don't like striptease, don't want profesional escorts, you will have a miserly choice compared to other places in brazil, Philippines, Thailand.

Just to make it clear the Arena club, the Caribbean club, the Avalon club, the River Palace are not packed with stunning beauties, but with nice semi-pros in their late twenties mixed with regular girls, ukranian boys, iranian and turkish men in a 2 boys to 1 girl ratio

I did my preparation before leaving and I can tell you:.

Don't go to Kiev, don't loose 2 weeks time contacting mamba members that have been contacted by other ISG members, go somewhere else.

Unless you are just out of Sain Quintin and don't know better it is of no use to go there plenty of blonde girls everywere else.

Naturally if you speak Russian and want to find regular girls, Kiev is plenty of them and they are all young and adorable.

Brotherrabitt

07-28-10, 12:49

Arrived on thursday late afternoon, very very hot, 35+ oC, perfect miniskirt weather.

Got my usual contacts to organise me an apprt (US100/night) and airport pick-up (UAH 200). Apprt was near Hotel Rus, 5-10 min to Arena, 20min to Buddha Bar. With aircon, which was nice in this weather.

I organise my freebies through flirt. Put up a profile, no pics, just some sweety-ass metrosexual crap about looking for love and other bla bla. Then I just contact whomever I think looks nice. I have just started learning russian, so still crap, but I use google chrome and it translates every page I look at in english, as well as the messages I receive if they are in Russian. Is not 100 %, sometimes you need to re-load the page, translation is sometimes a bit strange, but you get the essence.

And then just write and write and write, or basically think hard about a first message and copy paste it. Some react, some don't, of those who react you can feel who are game or not. Invite them on skype and continue the metrosexual crap.

I was in Kiev for 4 days, but only had time for three dates, 1 clearly had put up some pics of 5 years and 20kg ago, so when we met, I kindly thanked her and sent her or her merry way. The other two were fun, most of the time I take them to the Buddha Bar. UAH 500 for some decent wine, maybe some sushi, very dark in the upstairs bar, nice seats, romantic, relaxed atmosphere.

Had a great night with both of them, one insisted in coming back the next afternoon for another session, which was again great.

Besides the fact that in Kiev (at least in my experience) it is easier to date a woman 10-15 years younger than me, than in my home country, as both of them were, the dating process is very similar. Charm them out of their pants basically. and both of them were no pro's or semi pro's, just normal women, normal jobs, normal lives, looking for a nice evening out. No mystery.

As I am not looking for dates with pro's, I have not come across any fake profiles on flirt, at least not that I noticed. Ok, one of the women had some older pics on her profile, but that is just good marketing from her side. Can't blame her for trying, might even have worked for another guy.

And of course, everywhere you go, beautiful women walking in the streets, bars, shops, offices. I do not rank cities, beautiful women you can find everywhere in the world, but Kiev certainly has its' fair share.

I will be back in a couple of weeks, and if my business continues to grow as it is now, many more times in the future. Just need to learn passable russian, this will greatly increase the pond to fish in.

P4p in Kiev ? Only when you have no time to develop contacts, otherwise, market yourself in a culturally acceptable way, and you can have more dates than you can handle.

Great city, good business, beautiful women, what more does a guy want ?

Have fun.

BR

Explorer69

07-28-10, 18:17

P4p in Kiev ? Only when you have no time to develop contacts, otherwise, market yourself in a culturally acceptable way, and you can have more dates than you can handle.

Great city, good business, beautiful women, what more does a guy want ?

Have fun.

BRI think this report is to the point, this more less what I myself do now. I have been in Kiev several times during the last few months, but didn't report because I only meet "normal girls". so no information about RP, pick ups, prices etc.
Right now I have a 10 days holiday on the beaches of Odessa, having one girl staying with me for the first 5 days (18 yo, from Kiev, a real gem), another one (21 yo, great fuck) I have now for the last 5 days.

Ukraine has some great!

CallSign Papa

07-29-10, 10:53

What you want to know about the 3 semi pros that I fucked, who cares about the fucking of other member here, What is the use of it

I give up.

Uke Boy

07-29-10, 12:33

Naturally if you speak Russian and want to find regular girls, Kiev is plenty of them and they are all young and adorable.Truer words were never written :D :D :D :D

Uke Boy

07-29-10, 12:48

CallSign Papa

07-29-10, 13:23

Tremayne

07-29-10, 14:36

Explorer69

07-29-10, 16:31

Rollercoaster

07-29-10, 17:04

This is no longer an issue, the River Palace was towed away this morning. It is the end of an era, for all her faults I had many magic nights at the River Palace and will remember her with affection.Fuck !

And girls, where shall they gone now?

Jojosun

07-29-10, 19:10

Shreck Green

07-29-10, 20:04

Oh, shit. I can't believe this is crazy!

Yesterday in the evening I arrived in Kiev for my first time. I still went to the famous RP and have a real fantastic night. Nearby: I have the luck and met one of the 2% Freebies in there which I don't have to pay but this is another story. We left in the morning at about 6. 00 am whenn the sun is rising up and went to my hotel.

At this moment there seems everything normal. A few hours ago in this evening I past by with taxi and don't realised any changes.

I hope this is a drem, because I want to go there again (I have never seen so much beatiful girls in one place. And I now help.RIP-, York or Beachclub).

I have to go there now to be sure.

PS: Excuse my bad english!

Eros74

07-29-10, 20:24

Help in Rio closed in january, now River Palace, so different and far countries, but the same willing to clean up the pick up places....too bad !

Shreck Green

07-29-10, 20:32

MrBoring37

07-29-10, 23:42

What are our "FREELANCE" choices for hot blond white women now?

Night Flight in russia at 300 us dollars a pop!!!!! There has to be a less expensive option for "freelance" hot caucasian women?

Diceman

07-30-10, 07:37

Mellowtrax,

Yes you overpaid, and your scores out of 10 for the girls is way off mark. Decent report though.

Diceman

07-30-10, 07:50

So when we are going to see some good report on Lugansk?This is the Kiev section.

Meashearim

07-30-10, 14:59

There is a "war" going on against the owners of the vessels berthed along the river. A few weeks ago, Murakami Restaurant was forced away by the police.

The very bad news for mongers today is that River Place has now been taken away and is going downriver for safekeeping.

It looks like this "easy" option will not be available for a long time.

Here is the link to news report in Russian: http://kp.ua/daily/290710/237525/What a disaster!

When Moshe Rhimes finally are back in Kiev, and this for just one reason – RP. The damn place has got shot down the day before!

And paying 300 dollars for a takeaway at Mandarin and Rio, is over my mentally limit.

200 dollar for top girl at RP, beseder, that's okey. I am fine with it, and can sleep well after such an investment – but 300 is crazy.

Is there any other places except Rio/Mandarin – or do they all hustle for 300 dollars?

I will head to trainstation ASAP, check the timetable for Dnepropetrovsk (spent a weekend there in May, not too bad). Head there tomorrow, if no improvement/better options tonight.

Damn, if I would have knew this I would have went to Hamburg or Berlin instead.

Bad news!

Norwegianguy

07-30-10, 15:01

Arrived in Kiev today. RP towed away by the police.

Only stairs left.

Read full story in Kyiv post.

One of the major mongering spots gone. But still the best left!

Cheers!

AColonizer

07-30-10, 18:37

But why do they are taking boats away from Dnieper river?

Normal restaurants and discos too?

Diceman

07-31-10, 08:19

Rip river palace, end of an era, best thing I will miss about rp is the beef stroganoff, overpriced girls anyway, its people like a lot of you guys on here that have spoilt the situation in Kiev by overpaying, you set the benchmark, so they all begin at $300 which is total bollocks, you can do a Russian / Ukrainian girl in the uk for less, this is the ukraine, have you seen the average wage here? You think its fair price to pay for pussy? Then maybe if you like her buy her a new phone, take her out for meals? There prostitutes for gods sake, stop moaning, move on, there will be other places.

CallSign Papa

07-31-10, 10:12

What a disaster!

When Moshe Rhimes finally are back in Kiev, and this for just one reason – RP. The damn place has got shot down the day before!

And paying 300 dollars for a takeaway at Mandarin and Rio, is over my mentally limit.

200 dollar for top girl at RP, beseder, that's okey. I am fine with it, and can sleep well after such an investment – but 300 is crazy.

Is there any other places except Rio/Mandarin – or do they all hustle for 300 dollars?

I will head to trainstation ASAP, check the timetable for Dnepropetrovsk (spent a weekend there in May, not too bad). Head there tomorrow, if no improvement/better options tonight.

Damn, if I would have knew this I would have went to Hamburg or Berlin instead.

Bad news!

Go to Shooters, cheaper than RP and the girls are friendlier. Failing that, Barsky works. Heading to Dnep is not the answer unless you already have contacts there.

It Travel

07-31-10, 13:04

Go to Shooters, cheaper than RP and the girls are friendlier. Failing that, Barsky works. Heading to Dnep is not the answer unless you already have contacts there.

By the way what's the adress or is it on Internet?

IT

Sorry I found it ;)

GandJim

07-31-10, 20:50

By the way what's the adress or is it on Internet?

IT

Sorry I found it ;)
In case you only found the address.... website is :

http://www.shooters.kiev.ua/eng/main.html

BTW, just in case, main streets of Kiev are available on Russian "streetview", can be convenient for checking location of some clubs (see screen cap for Shooters).

Jim

CallSign Papa

08-01-10, 06:37

In case you only found the address.... website is :

http://www.shooters.kiev.ua/eng/main.html

BTW, just in case, main streets of Kiev are available on Russian "streetview", can be convenient for checking location of some clubs (see screen cap for Shooters).

Jim

There's a restaurant to the left as you walk in, has a few pretty waitresses and serves okay food. The main bar is through the back but doesn't get going until midnight. But when it gets going...

Strike 69

08-01-10, 11:41

I thought with this new government they would implement visas for tourists again but it seems to be the opposite 2 more countries are going to join soon the visa free regime in Ukraine : Israel and Mexico

It will be interesting to note that citizens of Ukraine will no longer need a visa also to enter these two countries.

Strike 69

08-01-10, 11:46

Csim 2006

08-01-10, 14:18

Hello,

I am a New Yorker and am in Kiev this week. If anybody is around, would be glad do meet up for a drink. You can send me a PM here.

MarkABC

08-01-10, 19:14

Diceman

08-02-10, 07:31

Very sad to hear River Palace is gone for good... :( I had a lot of great nights there (and later a lot of good time in my hotel room :) ). It's the end of an Era! I can't imagine a trip to Kiev without visiting RP! :(

Btw, is shooters not owned by the same owners than River Palace ?Shooters is owned by a scot called stewart, hence the london taxi outside, and you will often see the waitresses dressed in tartan mini skirts now and again, nice guy he is and frequents the place often and likes to get in among the fun and have drinks etc.

Boofer

08-02-10, 11:39

Gentlemen, will be in Kiev next week for one night. Pls advise on PR replacement.

regards

Very sad to hear River Palace is gone for good... :( I had a lot of great nights there (and later a lot of good time in my hotel room :) ). It's the end of an Era! I can't imagine a trip to Kiev without visiting RP! :(

Btw, is shooters not owned by the same owners than River Palace ?

Me and You

08-02-10, 15:44

Gentlemen, will be in Kiev next week for one night. Pls advise on PR replacement.

regardsCan you find out where the RP girls are going now? Or if the RP (management, furniture, staff, and girls) trasferred (rented) to other place or area?

Uke Boy

08-02-10, 16:13

Pls advise on PR replacement.Party of Regions?
Puerto Rico?
Public Relations?

HunterDave

08-02-10, 20:26

Party of Regions?

Puerto Rico?

Public Relations?He's dyslectic, meant RP.

Joe Cash Now

08-02-10, 22:36

Hello,

I am a New Yorker and am in Kiev this week. If anybody is around, would be glad do meet up for a drink. You can send me a PM here.How old are you, what are you into, and what are you like when you're drunk? I've had bad experiences meeting up with dudes who can't handle there booze.

I got a buddy who's coming into Kiev from Canada. I live here now, he use to live here.

Strike 69

08-02-10, 23:20

And easier for the Hashidim to import Ukrainian girls to service the 'scholars'

I guess the same goes for Mexican Drug Cartels and corrupt local Politicians and Businessmen they probably need more Blonde Slavic women to "serve" them.

Irish Lad

08-03-10, 03:29

TheKnight

08-03-10, 14:51

I won't be back in Kyiv for a few more weeks, but I can testify that from my last excursion a month ago, Shato on Kreshchatyk was already infiltrated by a few obvious pros, or at least semi-pros. I got a phone number from two women, but they were pretty average on the looks scale....I wondered about IT's theory of "ordinary" girls proving better value, but these two still wanted $100 for 2 hours.

Later on I did score with semi-pros in O'Briens of all places. Some Italian businessmen were surrounded with Ukrainian women so I made a few eyes and one of the girls gave me her phone number (bizcard) as she passed on her way to the toilet.

Long story short - $100 for an hour for each girl, as many as I wished....but "lead" girl was very pushy and wanted out after one service. Stupidly I threw her businesscard away, or I could have named and shamed, but she worked for Italian language school.

Sebans

08-03-10, 15:29

You are 100% right))

If you have no game, not prepared to drop a few bucks and stay in your apartment at night instead of going out hunting despite the competition, then stay away. However, if like most people who come to Kiev with a positive attitude and have read this forum your success ratio will be 20 times that of home and with someone 15 years younger than the usual result.

Enjoy ItalyStay in Kiev fighting with the Ukrainian and arab men for an expert Ukrainian girl in their late twenties.

I'm too lazy for kiev next time i'll test morocco.

Rollercoaster

08-03-10, 18:16

I arrived to Kyiv last Sunday, for 15 days. And the best place for me to meet gorgeous girls is Caribbean, but if you don't know dance latin style, you'll lose your time.

I always went out from Caribbean with company (really!) and NEVER paid. But I repeat, it's necessary to know dance, the girls go to looking for male company, but you must fight for get their company.

On Wednesday, it's the woman's day, it's the best day to go. So if someone reads this before Wednesday night, take note!

Good luck!

CallSign Papa

08-03-10, 21:21

Stay in Kiev fighting with the Ukrainian and arab men for an expert Ukrainian girl in their late twenties.

I'm too lazy for kiev next time i'll test morocco.

Please, do carry on illustrating your total and utter ignorance regarding this city.

Because there are no arab guys in Morocco.

Sebans

08-03-10, 21:34

Please, do carry on illustrating your total and utter ignorance regarding this city.

Because there are no arab guys in Morocco.The arabs and middle eastern men I'm talking about are in Kiev looking for girls, togheter with iranian and turkish they are the only foreigners left.

Morocco will be my next vacation place and your desperate defense of a dying mongering destination like Kiev is pathetic.

Give advice instead of continue complaining about my posts.

"Shooters" is bullshit becouse they don't let in foreigners anymore

"Double coffe" on kreishnatik shut down 10 days ago and river palace is no more.

In Kiev the only tourists left are Muslins annd they ddon't like Americans.

CallSign Papa

08-04-10, 11:48

In Kiev the only tourists left are Muslins annd they ddon't like Americans.

Wow. Just, really really wow.

Poisson1

08-04-10, 11:52

Hotman 666

08-04-10, 12:20

I'm too lazy for kiev next time i'll test morocco.

I have only visited Kiev once but RTFF before I went and I ENJOYED my time there!

So, you will try North Africa!

Rather than Morocco why not try Tunisia? It may suit you!
(See my Tunisia post of 06-24-10)

Be happy.
Hotman

Jojosun

08-04-10, 13:56

The arabs and middle eastern men I'm talking about are in Kiev looking for girls, togheter with iranian and turkish they are the only foreigners left.

Morocco will be my next vacation place and your desperate defense of a dying mongering destination like Kiev is pathetic.

Give advice instead of continue complaining about my posts.

"Shooters" is bullshit becouse they don't let in foreigners anymore

"Double coffe" on kreishnatik shut down 10 days ago and river palace is no more.

In Kiev the only tourists left are Muslins annd they ddon't like Americans.
Morocco, would be a very good choice for you.

You don't have to compete with Arab or Middle Eastern men be it (Muslim, Christian or Jewish). Yes an Arab or Middle Eastern can be Muslim, Christian or Jewish

Morocco would be much cheaper to fly to from Europe, courtsey of Ryanair.

Morocco, is in the European Union, and everyone speaks fluent English there, and they just dig American Accents.

But where are you going to fit in all of this?

Gentleman Travel

08-04-10, 15:47

I am looking for advice on a hotel to recommend to a colleague travelling to Kiev on business in September. I've only stayed in a few hotels (more usually an apartment) so I don't really know the hierarchy of central hotels. This is for a middle-aged woman, travelling with her husband, so mongering is NOT part of the equation. At the same time, it is not a problem if there are lobby girls or a strip club on the premises - it would be a valuable cultural education for her, just not a personal priority. Here is what IS important:

1) central location - ideally somewhere on or near the Maidan.

2) English speaking - the front desk must be able to register her in English. I will probably arrange a translator/guide for her, but want her to have a comfort zone in the hotel.

3) moderate quality - not looking for five-star, I want to keep her grounded in the reality of travelling in Eastern Europe, but not too shabby either. An upper-end Ukrainian or mid-range western hotel would be best.

4) moderate price - this is expense account travel, but this is not Moscow. So something under $200 per night if possible.

5) night clubs - I would like to expose her to the sexy, fun side of Kiev nightlife, but cannot send her off to the sort of seedy meat markets I would frequent. Are there high-class night clubs associated with some hotels that would gain her access? Otherwise she is likely to get faced at any real club.

6) lobby entertainment - like I said, lobby girls and girl-friendliness are not a requirement, but equally it is not necessary to avoid this entirely. It is difficult to explain, but a bit of education and exposure to the realities of life in Ukraine would be a good thing - so long as she can do this in a non-threatening and not too offensive environment.

When I was in Kiev last, I stayed in the Hotel President, which more or less fits the bill, except it is not really centrally located. It is okay for someone like me, comfortable getting around the downtown area. But for a first timer, who does not know the geography or read signs, it is a bit out of the way. Same style, more centrally located, would be ideal.

Any suggestions?

Hotman 666

08-04-10, 16:39

I was in Kiev a few weeks ago (my first trip!) and stayed at “Ukraine Hotel” www.ukraine-hotel.kiev.ua/eng/home/
This seems to meet your requirements.
1 Excellent central location.
2 English speaking front desk
3 4 Star (ish!!)
4 And within your budget.
5 Some sort of “bar / strip Club” off reception area (but I did not visit.)
6 2 or 3 hookers usually in reception area during the evenings, but "low key."

Based on my 1 trip this is the only one I can suggest, but other mongers may have some better ideas.

Hotman.

I am looking for advice on a hotel to recommend to a colleague travelling to Kiev on business in September. I've only stayed in a few hotels (more usually an apartment) so I don't really know the hierarchy of central hotels. This is for a middle-aged woman, travelling with her husband, so mongering is NOT part of the equation. At the same time, it is not a problem if there are lobby girls or a strip club on the premises - it would be a valuable cultural education for her, just not a personal priority. Here is what IS important:

1) central location - ideally somewhere on or near the Maidan.

2) English speaking - the front desk must be able to register her in English. I will probably arrange a translator/guide for her, but want her to have a comfort zone in the hotel.

3) moderate quality - not looking for five-star, I want to keep her grounded in the reality of travelling in Eastern Europe, but not too shabby either. An upper-end Ukrainian or mid-range western hotel would be best.

4) moderate price - this is expense account travel, but this is not Moscow. So something under $200 per night if possible.

5) night clubs - I would like to expose her to the sexy, fun side of Kiev nightlife, but cannot send her off to the sort of seedy meat markets I would frequent. Are there high-class night clubs associated with some hotels that would gain her access? Otherwise she is likely to get faced at any real club.

6) lobby entertainment - like I said, lobby girls and girl-friendliness are not a requirement, but equally it is not necessary to avoid this entirely. It is difficult to explain, but a bit of education and exposure to the realities of life in Ukraine would be a good thing - so long as she can do this in a non-threatening and not too offensive environment.

When I was in Kiev last, I stayed in the Hotel President, which more or less fits the bill, except it is not really centrally located. It is okay for someone like me, comfortable getting around the downtown area. But for a first timer, who does not know the geography or read signs, it is a bit out of the way. Same style, more centrally located, would be ideal.

Any suggestions?

AColonizer

08-04-10, 18:50

Dear Irish Lad,

yes, some posts seem horrible, that one and many more in recent time.

The problem is always the same: beginners don't understand to read (study) this fucking forum! We write and instead they don't read, we suggest to rent a flat and instead they book a hotel room, we suggest how to find a good gfe and instead they prefer to be cheated by stupid girls, etc.

We should understand them, they are all beginners (even if above-30 or married) and few ones will become real women-hunters. In my opinion, maybe your opinion is very different because you are Irish, is always to repeat the same main rules: unfortunately this is the only solution to the men's sillyness.

About Italy, Italy is one of the worst place to monger girls (above-all Italian girls) but it is possible to discover some Slavic jewels that no foreigners can find in their homelands.

You are 100% right))

If you have no game, not prepared to drop a few bucks and stay in your apartment at night instead of going out hunting despite the competition, then stay away. However, if like most people who come to Kiev with a positive attitude and have read this forum your success ratio will be 20 times that of home and with someone 15 years younger than the usual result.

Enjoy Italy

Sebans

08-04-10, 20:27

I have only visited Kiev once but RTFF before I went and I ENJOYED my time there!

So, you will try North Africa!

Rather than Morocco why not try Tunisia? It may suit you!
(See my Tunisia post of 06-24-10)

Be happy.

HotmanNo thanks. Completely different countries, read morocco reports to have an idea

Jack Copper

08-04-10, 23:35

Hi Hotman 666,

Can you recommend this hotel also for a 8 guys travelling to Kiev for a bachelor party?

Is there an alternative to report?

Actually we plan to travel in November since the wedding is in December.

Thanks,

Jack

I was in Kiev a few weeks ago (my first trip!) and stayed at “Ukraine Hotel” www.ukraine-hotel.kiev.ua/eng/home/
This seems to meet your requirements.
1 Excellent central location.
2 English speaking front desk
3 4 Star (ish!!)
4 And within your budget.
5 Some sort of “bar / strip Club” off reception area (but I did not visit.)
6 2 or 3 hookers usually in reception area during the evenings, but "low key."

Based on my 1 trip this is the only one I can suggest, but other mongers may have some better ideas.

Hotman.

Hotman 666

08-05-10, 11:02

Sorry Jack,
I am not the right person to ask (I have only visited Kiev once so no other hotel experiences!) but I think that there are probably better alternatives for your group.
My recommendation of Ukraine Hotel to Gentleman Travel was purely based on the criteria he set! For his requirements it seems PERFECT.
Many mongers recommend an apartment rather than a hotel!
Perhaps some, more experienced Kiev monger can advise you better!
Enjoy.
Hotman

Hi Hotman 666,

Can you recommend this hotel also for a 8 guys travelling to Kiev for a bachelor party?

Is there an alternative to report?

Actually we plan to travel in November since the wedding is in December.

Thanks,

Jack

CallSign Papa

08-05-10, 14:10

Hi Hotman 666,

Can you recommend this hotel also for a 8 guys travelling to Kiev for a bachelor party?

Is there an alternative to report?

Actually we plan to travel in November since the wedding is in December.

Thanks,

Jack

Jack, go to google and search for 'apartment rent kiev' then try calling a few. You should be able to find a few apartments close to each other in the centre that will work better than hotels.

Hotels are not a good idea for a stag, imho, especially if they're a rowdy lot.

Gentleman Travel

08-05-10, 15:00

Sorry Jack,
My recommendation of Ukraine Hotel to Gentleman Travel was purely based on the criteria he set! For his requirements it seems PERFECT.

Yes, Hotman, Hotel Ukraine does seem like the right fit for my needs. Thanks.

And Jack Copper, I second the Shadow's advice - a couple of adjacent apartments sound like best arrangement for your party. GIA even has a couple of four-bedroom apartments.

Raffzahn

08-06-10, 02:09

Morocco, is in the European Union, and everyone speaks fluent English there, and they just dig American Accents.Err ... what kind of Herb did you smoke?

Morocco in the EU? Well, that hapens about the time when Britain finaly joins the US (As if that woulc change their politics at all :))

H.

Jojosun

08-06-10, 12:11

Err. What kind of Herb did you smoke?

Morocco in the EU? Well, that hapens about the time when Britain finaly joins the US (As if that woulc change their politics at all)

H.Your post proves that you are one of the lazy Newbies who never bother to RTFF here before they post, and then come on here to complain about Kiev.

Jojosun

08-06-10, 12:28

Err ... what kind of Herb did you smoke?

Morocco in the EU? Well, that hapens about the time when Britain finaly joins the US (As if that woulc change their politics at all :))

H.You are a bit lucky today as I have spare time to educate a newbie on world politics and geography.

Not all of Morocco is in the EU, but Spanish Morocco is firmly in the EU.

The Enclave of Ceuta and millia in morocco is regared as part of Spain by the Spanish.

Sorbonne

08-06-10, 12:32

Has anyone seen or had this girl at RP or other discos?

How was she?

Jojosun

08-06-10, 14:29

Err ... what kind of Herb did you smoke?

Morocco in the EU? Well, that hapens about the time when Britain finaly joins the US (As if that woulc change their politics at all :))

H.Unknown to most of the World( including any Local newbie) The EU is in Africa too.

http://lexicorient.com/morocco/ceuta.htm

Sammybe

08-06-10, 15:06

I heard the news as well and its quite disturbing. Over the years the convenience, selecetion, and the quality at Rp had made it one of the greatest. Kiev along with Moscow have always been my most favorite busniess destinations since having RP and "night flight" made everything so much easier.

No planning ahead and always something great to look forward to. I will be comming to Kiev in the 3rd week of August and for the first time I am unsure of how successful of a trip is it going to be! I looked at the Gia line up and it was only so so this time. I hope its not going to be back to hit and miss again for me. Please do PM me if anyone finds out where the party has moved to as I am sure the girls are not going to pick up needle point now that the venue is closed!

Thanks

Irish Lad

08-06-10, 16:22

Give advice instead of continue complaining about my posts.
My advice is to read Sebans reports and use them as a “how not to score in Kiev” guide.

I'm too lazy for kiev.In Sebans own words is the probable reason for his lack of success. Ukrainian women do not like lazy men.

Curlyjoe

08-06-10, 18:21

Guys. Instead of arguying about an annoying topic of Moroco etc. Why don't you get back on topic, for e. G. What's up with River Palace and its successor? The girls surely have gone somewhere!

Sebans

08-06-10, 19:27

My advice is to read Sebans reports and use them as a “how not to score in Kiev” guide.

In Sebans own words is the probable reason for his lack of success. Ukrainian women do not like lazy men.Still not giving advice but only showing anger for my comment that depicts the actual situation in Kiev as a place for beggars.

Jojosun

08-06-10, 19:46

Err ... what kind of Herb did you smoke?

Morocco in the EU? Well, that hapens about the time when Britain finaly joins the US (As if that woulc change their politics at all :))

H.Many moons ago Great Britain and the US were joined at the Hips ,but got separated.

Now they are joined in hearts and minds.

AColonizer

08-06-10, 20:40

Yes, good question, Joe. Unfortunately, in the past and in several others threads, I asked a similar question and nobody knew to reply that. Therefore, you should do like me: you investigate for yourself, no real help will come by anybody.

Guys. Instead of arguying about an annoying topic of Moroco etc. Why don't you get back on topic, for e. G. What's up with River Palace and its successor? The girls surely have gone somewhere!

TheKnight

08-06-10, 22:53

Has anyone seen or had this girl at RP or other discos?

How was she?

Can't be 100% sure, but I think last year I took her from R.P. (oh, the good old days). If it wasn't her it was someone very similar, took her from the sports bar downstairs without even going in the disco, remember her eating and me honestly in there to watch a football game, and not intending to pay $200+ for a takeout. I succumbed, 200 it was.

She doesn't really linger in the memory so cannot have been great service.

Raffzahn

08-07-10, 11:02

Morocco in the EU? Well, that hapens about the time when Britain finaly joins the US (As if that would change their politics at all)Your post proves that you are one of the lazy Newbies who never bother to RTFF here before they post, and then come on here to complain about Kiev.Neat, looks like I hit a spot. Hihi. Well, beside that it may be a good idea to read before write (have I complained about Kiew?), using your dialectics would mean that Kanada is also part of EU (St. Pierre just to remind). Oh, and South America of course (Guyana and Arruba) . Then of course all that stuff in Asia and Australia (New Caledonia etc.). Hey, and yes, there's EU in Africa, not only Ceute, but also Mayotte which is clearly on the african shelf. Well, yeah, you're right, a look at the map and you'll see, the Whole World is prety darn part of the EU...

Lool.

Anyway, I feel honored you answered 4 Times. To sipnn the litle error you made :)

H

Bone Dr

08-07-10, 12:44

Returned from a recent 10 day stay in Kiev. Many good (and accurate) bits of advice and recommendations from folks here made the trip very, very enjoyable. Spent some time with Mamba, both lining up “girlfriends” and some pros. Like anything else, the more time and effort one puts into it, the more benefits one will reap.

From my perspective, a city center apartment is the by far way to go. No hassles, clean, convenient, and very private.

For the “girlfriends”, I had a plan A, B, C, and D. Quite fortunately, plan A was perfect, Nice girl, late 20’s, we met my first day, hit it off and fucked and sucked, everything uncovered, passionately from the get go. Being out for some variety, I hooked up with the “girlfriend” every other day to afford some mongering time. I decided to meet plan B and C. Plan B was motivated and horny but too ugly to pop. After knowing my plan A girl was so hot, the plan C girl didn’t measure up so, for the amateurs I decided to stick with plan A. We had a great time, went to a bunch of local places and restaurants, even her place.

For the “pros”, with some homework, Mamba proved spot on. Made contact with a number of girls, all shapes and sizes so-to-say, before arriving. Then, contacted a different one every other day, usually around midnight. Hooked up with 4 girls, three asked for $100 for 2 hours, while one requested $130 for 2 hours. What a bargain. With the hot Kiev weather, without exception, they wanted to spend the rest of the night in my nice, air conditioned apartment (no extra charge). Though they were nice enough, I don’t like to have *****s stay the night, so after 2 hours, I sent them off with 50 hryvnia for the taxi.

These girls are all highly recommended (ages listed are probably accurate, all give multiple pops):

Diana, 29, http://mamba.kiev.ua/Akapulka29/, slim, redhead, very sexy, looks 8, service 7, a bit mechanical but gave nice BBBJ, no CIM, nice and tight, seemed to enjoy her work. Doggy is a sight to behold and the fit is amazing. $100/2 hours. Would definitely see again (but since I like variety perhaps not).

Karina, 25, http://mamba.kiev.ua/karinaxxx_xx/, cute face, rather chubby, looks 5, service 9, very enthusiastic, outstanding BBBJ and CIM. I let her suck me for 20-30 minutes until I shot my load in her mouth, she swallowed it all. We had some wine, rested, and went through all the positions. There’s nothing this girl didn’t enjoy. $100/2 hours. Not my body type to see again. But if you like them chubby, she’s your girl.

Maya, 24, http://mamba.kiev.ua/mirchik11/, cute face, big girl, not fat but big, tall, and solidly built, looks 6, service 8, BBBJ and CIM, also enthusiastic, everything was going well until I flipped her over for doggy and saw her ass covered with pimples (likely sweat pimples from the summer heat but unsightly nonetheless). She was a bit nervous but loosen up as time went on. $130/2 hours. When I went to send her off after about 2 hours, she looked puzzled and said “Are we done with sex, you don’t want more”? Great attitude! Bigger build then I like but a nice variety.

Julie, 21, http://mamba.kiev.ua/krasotkajulia09/, very pretty, very, slim, very, very petite, a body type more like the girls in China I love to fuck, looks 9, service 9. After getting acquainted and getting undressed, she started with BBBJ, she enjoys rimming, sticking her tongue up my ass, and alternated between some great rimming, ball washing, and deep throated BBBJ for half an hour, then shot my load in her mouth. We took a break and she started sucking again. Now it was time for all the positions, doggy was delightful but reverse cowgirl was what got me off, seeing that tiny little ass bobbing up and down. $100/2 hours. Like Diana above, I’d see this girl again.

A bottle of wine, 50 hryvnia for the taxi, and 100 bucks! Again, each of these girls asked to spend the night since the apartment was nice and cool and I suspect their apartment is not air conditioned, so if you’re up for that, don’t offer them to spend the night. Have your way with them for a couple of hours then let them offer to stay.

I had such a good time with the gals listed above and the plan A girlfriend, that I never made it to RP or a club, and returned home with a lot more $ than expected. PM me for phone numbers. All-in-all, good times to be had in Kiev!

Enjoy,
Doc

Vostro000

08-07-10, 13:27

Guys,

I have a very serious guestion. Are the girls who hang out at Arena, carebian and Avalon disco all prostitute? I fnot what is the ratio of prostitutes and normal girls in these clubs. Also a lady I have been in contact with told me that its very easy to have free sex in these 3 places above if you buy a few drinks for girl, but I do not believe that. Hopefully you cn help me out on this.

Jojosun

08-07-10, 14:01

Still not giving advice but only showing anger for my comment that depicts the actual situation in Kiev as a place for beggars.Is this why you like Bangkok, Rio, and the Phillipines?

You are venting your frustrations here, because as I can see it you found it hard to score in Kiev with the lovely Blondes.

Probably you are more used to mongering destinations where the Beggars come to you.

SailorSailor

08-07-10, 22:09

Returned from a recent 10 day stay in Kiev. Many good (and accurate) bits of advice and recommendations from folks here made the trip very, very enjoyable. Spent some time with Mamba, both lining up "girlfriends" and some pros. Like anything else, the more time and effort one puts into it, the more benefits one will reap.

From my perspective, a city center apartment is the by far way to go. No hassles, clean, convenient, and very private.

For the "girlfriends", I had a plan A, B, C, and D. Quite fortunately, plan A was perfect, Nice girl, late 20's, we met my first day, hit it off and fucked and sucked, everything uncovered, passionately from the get go. Being out for some variety, I hooked up with the "girlfriend" every other day to afford some mongering time. I decided to meet plan B and C. Plan B was motivated and horny but too ugly to pop. After knowing my plan A girl was so hot, the plan see girl didn't measure up so, for the amateurs I decided to stick with plan A. We had a great time, went to a bunch of local places and restaurants, even her place.

For the "pros", with some homework, Mamba proved spot on. Made contact with a number of girls, all shapes and sizes so-to-say, before arriving. Then, contacted a different one every other day, usually around midnight. Hooked up with 4 girls, three asked for $100 for 2 hours, while one requested $130 for 2 hours. What a bargain. With the hot Kiev weather, without exception, they wanted to spend the rest of the night in my nice, air conditioned apartment (no extra charge). Though they were nice enough, I don't like to have *****s stay the night, so after 2 hours, I sent them off with 50 hryvnia for the taxi.

These girls are all highly recommended (ages listed are probably accurate, all give multiple pops):

Diana, 29, http://mamba.Kiev.Ua/Akapulka29/, slim, redhead, very sexy, looks 8, service 7, a bit mechanical but gave nice BBBJ, no CIM, nice and tight, seemed to enjoy her work. Doggy is a sight to behold and the fit is amazing. $100/2 hours. Would definitely see again (but since I like variety perhaps not).

Karina, 25, http://mamba.Kiev.Ua/karinaxxx_xx/, cute face, rather chubby, looks 5, service 9, very enthusiastic, outstanding BBBJ and CIM. I let her suck me for 20-30 minutes until I shot my load in her mouth, she swallowed it all. We had some wine, rested, and went through all the positions. There's nothing this girl didn't enjoy. $100/2 hours. Not my body type to see again. But if you like them chubby, she's your girl.

Maya, 24, http://mamba.Kiev.Ua/mirchik11/, cute face, big girl, not fat but big, tall, and solidly built, looks 6, service 8, BBBJ and CIM, also enthusiastic, everything was going well until I flipped her over for doggy and saw her ass covered with pimples (likely sweat pimples from the summer heat but unsightly nonetheless). She was a bit nervous but loosen up as time went on. $130/2 hours. When I went to send her off after about 2 hours, she looked puzzled and said "Are we done with sex, you don't want more"? Great attitude! Bigger build then I like but a nice variety.

Julie, 21, http://mamba.Kiev.Ua/krasotkajulia09/, very pretty, very, slim, very, very petite, a body type more like the girls in China I love to fuck, looks 9, service 9. After getting acquainted and getting undressed, she started with BBBJ, she enjoys rimming, sticking her tongue up my ass, and alternated between some great rimming, ball washing, and deep throated BBBJ for half an hour, then shot my load in her mouth. We took a break and she started sucking again. Now it was time for all the positions, doggy was delightful but reverse cowgirl was what got me off, seeing that tiny little ass bobbing up and down. $100/2 hours. Like Diana above, I'd see this girl again.

A bottle of wine, 50 hryvnia for the taxi, and 100 bucks! Again, each of these girls asked to spend the night since the apartment was nice and cool and I suspect their apartment is not air conditioned, so if you're up for that, don't offer them to spend the night. Have your way with them for a couple of hours then let them offer to stay.

I had such a good time with the gals listed above and the plan A girlfriend, that I never made it to RP or a club, and returned home with a lot more $ than expected. PM me for phone numbers. All-in-all, good times to be had in Kiev!

Enjoy,

DocGreat report with details. Many thanks to you.

Amsterdam09

08-08-10, 09:25

Julie, 21, http://mamba.kiev.ua/krasotkajulia09/, very pretty, very, slim, very, very petite, a body type more like the girls in China I love to fuck, looks 9, service 9. DocHave to agree with the performance of this nice lady, however I met with her 5 months ago, and took something home only a doctor could help me with.

Nothing that could not be cured though

As she was the only one I met it was obvious where the problem occured.

Sorry for not bringing this up earlier.

Reading here almost everyday, writing is not my best quality.

A'dam09

Hornet

08-08-10, 10:17

First night in Kiev.

Following some informations, yesterday night we went at Arena, we arrived at about 1 o'clock. The place was not full but some girls around alinea.

After some drinks (10€) I have approached 2 girls. One so and so and one gorgeous. They asked me immediateli if I want a sexy massage: 500 USD for both for all night. I asked a girl for a short time (couple of hrs), tre prices was 200 USD for a fuck. I have denied, I do not want to loose money for a short time besides the girl was beautiful.

A lot of eye contact with some girls. At the end, me and my friend approached 2 girls. They seemed normal girls. We spoke (they very basic english) drank (we paid for their) and danced all night till 4. 00! And now a situation that surprise me a lot: they *leaved the Disco without say nothing. They only took their bags and went way without say anithing. IMHO this was a very bad attitude. I do not know if here Kiev it is normal, but in Italy no for sure!

This night we will go at Arena again but with the experience of the last night.

Bye

Manstein*

Jojosun

08-08-10, 13:31

Neat, looks like I hit a spot. Hihi. Well, beside that it may be a good idea to read before write (have I complained about Kiew?), using your dialectics would mean that Kanada is also part of EU (St. Pierre just to remind). Oh, and South America of course (Guyana and Arruba) . Then of course all that stuff in Asia and Australia (New Caledonia etc.). Hey, and yes, there's EU in Africa, not only Ceute, but also Mayotte which is clearly on the african shelf. Well, yeah, you're right, a look at the map and you'll see, the Whole World is prety darn part of the EU...

Lool.

Anyway, I feel honored you answered 4 Times. To sipnn the litle error you made :)

HI posted a link on Ceute and Melilla which shows that they are a Spanish Province, much like the Canary Islands, part of Spain and part of the EU.

So you either did not read it or if you did read it, did not comprehend it, which is clearly why you posted the above.

1. Aruba, is part of the Netherlands, but is not offically part of the EU.

2. Guyana, is an independent country and became a republic after it got its independence fromthe UK. Nothing to do now with the EU or the UK.

4. Mayotte, the fourth island of the Comorros, is a French Protectivity status. Not part of the EU, much like Gibralter on main land next to Spain, is British overseas territory and hence not part of the EU.

5. You mean Canada, not Kanada.

My original post was in reply to a poster here who was complaining about Kiev being overrun by Arabs, Turks, Iranians, Muslims, so much so that he couldn't find a girl, and yet he posts here that his next Destination is going to be Morocco.

Anyway where is your(Fucking input) on the Ukraine and Kiev in particular?

Jojosun

08-08-10, 16:19

The arabs and middle eastern men I'm talking about are in Kiev looking for girls, togheter with iranian and turkish they are the only foreigners left.

Morocco will be my next vacation place and your desperate defense of a dying mongering destination like Kiev is pathetic.

In Kiev the only tourists left are Muslins annd they ddon't like Americans.Across the sea from Italy are the 3 European Muslim countries of Albania, Kosovo, and Bosnia, and there the Muslim populations regard the Americans as Heroes, so much so their foreign icons are Geroge W Bush, and Bill Clinton as well as the Ex British Prime Minster, Margaret Thatcher (The Iron Lady).

If it wasn't for the 3 Icons, Kosovo and Bosnia wouldn't have been independent countries.

In the Balkan countries, the only places where the Americans are not liked, are places populated by Orthodox Christian Serbs who feel the US was behined the breakup of Greater Serbia.

In southern Ukraine the Muslim Population there made up of Tattars are very pro American, due to their treatment by Stalin and the Russians during the Soviet Era.

Here it is George W Bush got a Hero's welcome In European Muslim Albania

7 June, 1907.

Uke Boy

08-08-10, 19:40

Here it is George W Bush got a Hero's welcome In European Muslim AlbaniaYAWN!!!

Jo, if you and the others want to have an argument on issues not related to Kiev and sex, then take it elsewhere.

YOU ARE BORING US!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Jojosun

08-08-10, 21:04

YAWN!!!

Jo, if you and the others want to have an argument on issues not related to Kiev and sex, then take it elsewhere.

YOU ARE BORING US!!!:mad::mad::mad:Uke Boy, you should have asked the 2 Posters who started all of this.

One of the two did insult all Kiev Mongers, by saying (Kiev is For Beggars.).

And posted a load of Bollocks about Kiev. And my replies were to disprove what he posted.

So why didn't you?.

Hornet

08-09-10, 02:49

Uke Boy

08-09-10, 03:48

So why didn't you?.Why bother getting into a slagging match with someone of obviously lesser intellect or more accurately, someone who has absolutely no intellect? It is a waste of time and energy. That is why I gave up on trying to impart some sense of intelligent posting from Colon. I soon realized that nothing I do or write will change his warped and perverse views and the same applies with your adversaries. Now I just ignore him as I assume many others do as well.

I also recognize that most readers of this forum will recognize stupidity and racism when they see it. There is no need to keep on responding to such asininity.

Getting into such issues as to what constitutes who is an EU member is far too afield and too ridiculous to even to discuss in a sex forum.

I am too busy enjoying life with the ladies in Kiev to bother with such assholes. In fact, the report from Dr Bones says it all for now. Now that is what this forum is all about.

In fact, if Sebans and his kind come here once and never again and then complain about Kiev in this forum, and then they all stay away from Kiev as well as keep others away, I am all for it!!!!! More for me, none for them!!!!

CallSign Papa

08-09-10, 11:45

In fact, if Sebans and his kind come here once and never again and then complain about Kiev in this forum, and then they all stay away from Kiev as well as keep others away, I am all for it!!!!! More for me, none for them!!!!

Amen brother. Amen.

TheKnight

08-09-10, 11:54

AColonizer

08-09-10, 12:31

First: I write real experiences. This forum should be informative, with good and bad experiences. Instead a lot of users here behave like alone men chatting in a pub and waiting to be drunk;

Second: if you read posts here and in other forums, average men (95%) are not so smart to see beyond the top of their penis, for this reason females have won in Western countries (for example, read "opinions on American women");

Third: some users here are very disgusting, first they ask me for information by private message, then the same of them criticise me;

Fourth: the same of the second, it needs to repeat that because of men's understanding.

Why bother getting into a slagging match with someone of obviously lesser intellect or more accurately, someone who has absolutely no intellect? It is a waste of time and energy. That is why I gave up on trying to impart some sense of intelligent posting from Colon. I soon realized that nothing I do or write will change his warped and perverse views and the same applies with your adversaries. Now I just ignore him as I assume many others do as well.

I also recognize that most readers of this forum will recognize stupidity and racism when they see it. There is no need to keep on responding to such asininity.

Getting into such issues as to what constitutes who is an EU member is far too afield and too ridiculous to even to discuss in a sex forum.

I am too busy enjoying life with the ladies in Kiev to bother with such assholes. In fact, the report from Dr Bones says it all for now. Now that is what this forum is all about.

In fact, if Sebans and his kind come here once and never again and then complain about Kiev in this forum, and then they all stay away from Kiev as well as keep others away, I am all for it!!!!! More for me, none for them!!!!

Gentleman Travel

08-09-10, 14:55

Great report and great to see someone have such a positive experience.

Two keys to success evidenced here - good preparation and great attitude!

Well done and have fun!

Returned from a recent 10 day stay in Kiev. Many good (and accurate) bits of advice and recommendations from folks here made the trip very, very enjoyable. Spent some time with Mamba, both lining up “girlfriends” and some pros. Like anything else, the more time and effort one puts into it, the more benefits one will reap.

From my perspective, a city center apartment is the by far way to go. No hassles, clean, convenient, and very private.

For the “girlfriends”, I had a plan A, B, C, and D. Quite fortunately, plan A was perfect...

Jojosun

08-09-10, 17:32

Why bother getting into a slagging match with someone of obviously lesser intellect or more accurately, someone who has absolutely no intellect? It is a waste of time and energy. That is why I gave up on trying to impart some sense of intelligent posting from Colon. I soon realized that nothing I do or write will change his warped and perverse views and the same applies with your adversaries. Now I just ignore him as I assume many others do as well.

I also recognize that most readers of this forum will recognize stupidity and racism when they see it. There is no need to keep on responding to such asininity.

Getting into such issues as to what constitutes who is an EU member is far too afield and too ridiculous to even to discuss in a sex forum.

I am too busy enjoying life with the ladies in Kiev to bother with such assholes. In fact, the report from Dr Bones says it all for now. Now that is what this forum is all about.

In fact, if Sebans and his kind come here once and never again and then complain about Kiev in this forum, and then they all stay away from Kiev as well as keep others away, I am all for it!!!!! More for me, none for them!!!!Old Boy, true words of wisdom. But I have to admit having lived and worked in Houston, Texas and New York, I find it very difficult sometimes to keep my mouth shut.,. When someone is talking up their COLON.

It was so fucking obvious. I was taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). When I posted that (Morocco is a member of the EU.).

I was hoping someone will fall for the Bait in it (Ceute and Melilla, Spanish Morocco), and sure enough Mr 2 postes took the Bait, and got his knickers in the Twist.

But all wasn't in vain. Even I didn't know that Aruba, part of the Netherlands is not officially a member of the EU, and it does have a dry climate.

Back to the subject of Kiev and Bangkok. Anyone who is used to the lazy ways of mongering and prices in Bangkok and Thailand, will be hugely disappointed by Kiev. But then again anyone who is used to or sampled the beauties of Kiev will be equally disappointed by Bangkok.

Conclusion. Kiev is not a lazy mongering destination.

Jojosun

08-09-10, 17:46

Have to agree with the performance of this nice lady, however I met with her 5 months ago, and took something home only a doctor could help me with.

Nothing that could not be cured though

As she was the only one I met it was obvious where the problem occured.

Sorry for not bringing this up earlier.

Reading here almost everyday, writing is not my best quality.

A'dam09If I were you I would get in touch with the girl and explain to her what you got, so she can get herself tested and cured.

Bone Dr, can supply you with her NO or contact details?

Now every Tom, Dick and Abdul, here know her details and the health warning.

Sebans

08-09-10, 19:20

Is this why you like Bangkok, Rio, and the Phillipines?

You are venting your frustrations here, because as I can see it you found it hard to score in Kiev with the lovely Blondes.

Probably you are more used to mongering destinations where the Beggars come to you.Still only talking about me and other bullshit, and not giving any useful advice to people that visit Kiev.

My vision of Kiev. Where people pay 300 dollar for a fuck with a prostitute.is that of a place for sex begggar.

Beside that I had a good experience and scored 3 times the first week, 0 times the second week becouse I didn't go out, and 3 time the third week, but 6 girl (semi-pros at $ 100) in 21 days is not enough to valuate a place as a place to go back to since there are as many blondes in Brazil than Kiev.

If you have a different vision of Kiev, why don't you talk about it instead of talking about me?

Sebans

08-09-10, 20:10

Great report and great to see someone have such a positive experience.

Two keys to success evidenced here - good preparation and great attitude!

Well done and have fun!I would like to point out to people reading this forum that there are some member here that have business in kiev and would only accept positive reports like this one about the town.

Read all the post don't be scammed. In Kiev there are a lot of beautiful girls, but only FEW of them are for a quick pull up and since you would have to compete with the many middle eastern people that come here for the same reason -those girls are very expensive, and offering very bad sex experience.

Gentleman Travel

08-09-10, 21:06

Read all the post don't be scammed. In Kiev there are a lot of beautiful girls, but only FEW of them are for a quick pull up and since you would have to compete with the many middle eastern people that come here for the same reason -those girls are very expensive, and offering very bad sex experience.
I don't know why you are so intimidated by the middle eastern guys.
Maybe for straight P4P they are competition, so it depends on the size of your wallet.
Otherwise it is the ME guys who operate at a disadvantage.
LOTS of girls on Mamba and other sites specifically say "no turks or arabs".
Without getting into the reasons for this prejudice (deserved or not), clearly there is a preference for non-turk/arab guys.
An exception to this might be where the Turk holds out the promise of visa-free travel to visit his sunny shores.

But basically, European/American guys enjoy a competitive advantage.
If you cannot score with the odds in your favour, then find another game.

Sebans

08-09-10, 22:13

I don't know why you are so intimidated by the middle eastern guys.Not intimidated at all by any eastern people since they are very friendly with me as I' am with them.

The fact is that they are 90 percent of the mongers there right now, and the number of the girls has not increased accordingly.

So the few girls are in total control of the game now and they can ask whatever they want.

Mellowtrax

08-09-10, 22:23

Still only talking about me and other bullshit, and not giving any useful advice to people that visit Kiev.

My vision of Kiev. Where people pay 300 dollar for a fuck with a prostitute.is that of a place for sex begggar.

Beside that I had a good experience and scored 3 times the first week, 0 times the second week becouse I didn't go out, and 3 time the third week, but 6 girl (semi-pros at $ 100) in 21 days is not enough to valuate a place as a place to go back to since there are as many blondes in Brazil than Kiev.

If you have a different vision of Kiev, why don't you talk about it instead of talking about me?Hi Sebans,

Let me understand you correctly. You decided to go on a 3 week vacation to Kiev with the conviction that you could "find a lot of stunning young girls and easy pull up them for no more than 50 dollars per night". And in addition, without any Russian language knowledge?

I'm sorry to ask, but how naive are you really?

You also write: "I did my preparation before leaving and I can tell you: Don't go to Kiev, don't loose 2 weeks time contacting mamba members that have been contacted by other ISG members".

Elsewhere you write: "I wanted to report to other members the fact that if you don't do your 2 weeks preparation with mamba contacting members in Russian. You will have a miserly choice compared to other places."

I find the two quotations above contradictory. Did you do your "2 weeks preparation" on Mamba, contacting girls, just to be surprised by the fact that other men than you also contact girls on Mamba (quotation 1)? Or didn't you (quotation 2)? It seems to me like you did contact girls on Mamba, but didn't succeed in making any arrangements?

You scored 3 girls the first week (for 100 $ each for the night), but then you decided not to go out for an entire week because the competition of getting the girls was too tough? With your 100 $ counteroffer I'm quite surprised that you even managed to get 3 girls!

The fact is that you went to Kiev poorly prepared, without any back-up plan and with the illusion that you could find girls for no more than 50 dollars per night.

Your observation and opinion about the girls/boys ratio in the night clubs and your opinion about the competition with Middle Eastern men are so far out and somewhat racist that I don't even bother to comment this.

I'm sure that other newbies, reading this forum before going to Kiev, will make their own opinion about your reports and do the exact opposite of what you did.

Mellow

PS. You keep asking for different versions of Kiev and useful advice for people visiting Kiev. Read the fucking forum!! It's filled with useful information and reports from mongers who actually had a good time there!

JohnnyBcgn

08-10-10, 09:20

Now another report, but now from Kiev.

I have been to Kiev during the last two days. Yesterday I was visited by a nice an friendly girl, which I found on mamba. Ru. Her name is Julia and we agreed on 100USD for 2h. Actually it became 12 USD more as she "killed" my Minibar.

However it was a nice date. She is very beautiful and has a very nice body.

I do not want to explain all details as I guess this would be to boring for you, but it was really GFE.

It was one of the best experiences I have had during the last months. Unfortunately she has no time tonight, otherwise I would have arranged another meeting.

Best,

Johnnybcgn

EasyEase

08-10-10, 12:01

hi dear mongers,

i arrived in kiev yesterday. i have done all my homework in mamba, ll and the escort guides known to all of us here.

had my first freebie yesterday and she stayed all night with me, she left this morning. i was satisfied and she was satisfied too. what a great start. she is a 24 year old blondika, i would say 8 body and 8 face.

kiev seems very empty compared to my last visit in june (this is my 2nd trip).

just a word about renting an apartment, ok i have a very nice apartment with jacuzzi and it is very central located and furnished very modern. but the internet connection is soooooo slow. i can't talk on skype and nothing. i guess i have a 12k connection. so it is worth asking if you need hi speed internet for your business or pleasure before renting an apartment.

of course a report with follow, especially after mr. seban's comments here. btw, i am one of "those" arabs. but guys, it is not a disadvantage; i get my share of 18-22 year old slim, pretty firm blondika davoushkas too. i mean if you are ugly, fat, non-charming and don't know how to behave you will have trouble anywhere getting laid for 50 bucks. weather in thailand or in rio.

i am heading after kiev to simferepol to attend kazantip and from there i will come back to kiev to fly to thailand.

regards,

easyease

Bone Dr

08-10-10, 12:12

Have to agree with the performance of this nice lady, however I met with her 5 months ago, and took something home only a doctor could help me with.

Nothing that could not be cured though

As she was the only one I met it was obvious where the problem occured.

Sorry for not bringing this up earlier.

Reading here almost everyday, writing is not my best quality.

A'dam09Thanks for the heads up but all is clear. I've learned the hard way no DATY with the WGs, unless of course I let my other head do the thinking. I had my "girlfriend" and her slick shaved pussy for that. And after all the rimming, there was no fucking way I was going to kiss her but a good hard pounding of that tight little pussy was what the Doctor ordered. I agree you should let her know what you contracted for her and other monger's benefit.

Cheers,

Doc

Diceman

08-10-10, 19:17

Jack Copper

08-10-10, 21:23

Thanks Gentleman Travel and The Shadow.

I will try to find an apartment.

Besides that do you have a recommendation for girls? Some of the guys want to invite some girls offering CIM and anal sex.

THX,

Jack

Yes, Hotman, Hotel Ukraine does seem like the right fit for my needs. Thanks.

And Jack Copper, I second the Shadow's advice - a couple of adjacent apartments sound like best arrangement for your party. GIA even has a couple of four-bedroom apartments.

Markharding

08-11-10, 15:11

Guys,

I completelty agree with Sebans. Kiev, Yalta, Odessa, I have been everywhere. This country sucks when it comes to meeting girls. Yet I have to come back every year to maintain the apartments I baught in Kiev and Yalta, what a mistake!

Sex for money, forget about it. The girls over value themselves, I mean, come on, $300 and more for a passive prostitute with whom you have to initiate conversation and chase her as if she was a "real" girl.

When it comes to normal girls, girl-friends, I have not dated one girl who was not just boring, stupid, boring boring boring.

Jojosun

08-11-10, 15:42

Strike 69

08-11-10, 16:01

I don't know why you are so intimidated by the middle eastern guys.
Maybe for straight P4P they are competition, so it depends on the size of your wallet.
Otherwise it is the ME guys who operate at a disadvantage.
LOTS of girls on Mamba and other sites specifically say "no turks or arabs".
Without getting into the reasons for this prejudice (deserved or not), clearly there is a preference for non-turk/arab guys.
An exception to this might be where the Turk holds out the promise of visa-free travel to visit his sunny shores.

But basically, European/American guys enjoy a competitive advantage.
If you cannot score with the odds in your favour, then find another game.

I do not see much of a problem if Turks / Arabs are in Kiev for P4P as long as I have my own share of blondinkas, every man has the right to pay for a pro if he has the money, isn't it? Besides Ukraine is just next door to them and they need no visa. Honestly I do not understand why that guy see a problem with it.

P.S. I am Mexican (white) and never had an issue there

Sorbonne

08-11-10, 20:52

Uke Boy

08-12-10, 04:07

When it comes to normal girls, girl-friends, I have not dated one girl who was not just boring, stupid, boring boring boring.Guess what, Marky? From your posts, I am sure the girls feel exactly the same way about you. Your attitude and that of Sebans is definitely not right for Kiev nor Moscow.

I have been here a long time and enjoyed myself with both P4P and regular girl friends. Success always starts and finishes with what is between your ears and how you use it and not that part of you which is located between your legs.

Diceman

08-12-10, 09:10

Jojosun

08-12-10, 11:05

Guys,

. This country sucks when it comes to meeting girls. Yet I have to come back every year to maintain the apartments I baught in Kiev and Yalta, what a mistake!

Sex for money, forget about it. The girls over value themselves, I mean, come on, $300 and more for a passive prostitute with whom you have to initiate conversation and chase her as if she was a "real" girl.

When it comes to normal girls, girl-friends, I have not dated one girl who was not just boring, stupid, boring boring boring.Hi Markharding.

I am guessing here. You bought apartmernts in both Kiev and Yalta, and I assume at the time the exchange rate was 4. 5 or 5 UAH to the us$.

Now it is hovering around 8UAH to the $.

Again guessing if the apts were bought as rental investments?, it begs the question in American Real Estate Jargon(Are you getting Negative Cash Flow) on the above investments?

Ie you are not getting out of them what you did put in them+ the yearly maintenance fees+expenses, and added to this the fall in property prices in the country due to the economic conditions, its a no wonder what you bought was a mistake.

With this Negative Cash Flow Thoughts and the real estate mistake (Slump), I am not surprised that you are having nothing, but boring, stupid, boring boring boring girls.

With all my sympathy.

Jojosun

08-12-10, 11:21

I was at the RP a week before it left the bank. It was filled with Turkish men. A girl I knew and her girlfriend came up to me and said, "I don't know why there are so many Turkish men tonight. " I said, "Why do you say that? Don't you like them? " They said, "No. "

I just wanted to say that, whatever reason Turkish men were not liked by the girls, they must be behaving in wrong way to the girls. I hope they figure out what the reason is and correct it. (I should have asked the girls why they don't like them, but I didn't.)A girl in a sauna told me the reason she didn't like them, because they were very touchy, touchy, and couldn't keep their hands to themselves during massage. This was when she was rolling all over me naked giving me body to body oil massage.

In Hamburg, Germany, I noticed that Street Walkers in the Red Light district, wouldn't even speak to Turkish men approaching them.

Still a mystery to me.

Few weeks ago I was on in Sunny Beach, Bulgaria, and on the current not liked list there, are Israelis, so much so that a beast on the door of a Lap Dance club, turned away a group of dark skinned Israelis, mumbling something in Bulgarian, which a taxi driver translated to me meaning (Towel Snatchers).

Israeli tourists there have a reputation (False or True) of disappearing with the towels from their hotels.

Jojosun

08-12-10, 21:09

A girl in a sauna told me the reason she didn't like them, because they were very touchy, touchy, and couldn't keep their hands to themselves during massage. This was when she was rolling all over me naked giving me body to body oil massage.

In Hamburg, Germany, I noticed that Street Walkers in the Red Light district, wouldn't even speak to Turkish men approaching them.

Still a mystery to me.

Few weeks ago I was on in Sunny Beach, Bulgaria, and on the current not liked list there, are Israelis, so much so that a beast on the door of a Lap Dance club, turned away a group of dark skinned Israelis, mumbling something in Bulgarian, which a taxi driver translated to me meaning (Towel Snatchers).

Israeli tourists there have a reputation (False or True) of disappearing with the towels from their hotels.The Sauna in question was just off Kreschatick st, Kiev.

Had a blast of a time with a beautiful girl, who was in full time education.

Works along with other students the Week End shifts.

We had among other things, a very stimulating conversation, and I found the girls there very well informed about the world, although being only in their early 20's.

Very intellegent and down to earth girls, and certainly no Bimbos like a lot of the London Hookers that I meet.

But then again I went to the Sauna with an open mind and without any negative cash flow thoughts on my mind.

CallSign Papa

08-13-10, 10:31

Thanks Gentleman Travel and The Shadow.

I will try to find an apartment.

Besides that do you have a recommendation for girls? Some of the guys want to invite some girls offering CIM and anal sex.

THX,

Jack

Jack, now that RP is no more, I'm afraid your buddies are going to have to put some ground work in at various bars. You have a few options as has already been detailed here.

Rio and Premiere strip clubs both have girls you can arrange sessions with, depending on how nicely you ask, but they're pricey (starting at $250).

Personally I like Barsky and Shooters, good mix of P4P, semi-pros and civilians. Carribean Club is also good, and I personally hate Arena and Patipa, i'd advise you to avoid them, but it's my own preference.

Your guys can pretty much get what they want as long as they're friendly, polite and respectful. Being a stag do, if the guys want to hook up, they'll have to avoid getting to rowdy, ukrainian girls hate loud drunk guys with a passion.

Also, be careful not to fall afoul of the militsia. They don't put up with the kinds of things you can get away with in the UK. Luckily, they can be bribed cheaply.

One last thing. If you or your buddies see someone drop money onto the street, on no account should you pick it up. It's a well known scam. have seen at least one stag get taken.

Happymojo

08-14-10, 15:30

Jack, now that RP is no more, I'm afraid your buddies are going to have to put some ground work in at various bars. You have a few options as has already been detailed here.

Rio and Premiere strip clubs both have girls you can arrange sessions with, depending on how nicely you ask, but they're pricey (starting at $250).

Personally I like Barsky and Shooters, good mix of P4P, semi-pros and civilians. Carribean Club is also good, and I personally hate Arena and Patipa, i'd advise you to avoid them, but it's my own preference.

Your guys can pretty much get what they want as long as they're friendly, polite and respectful. Being a stag do, if the guys want to hook up, they'll have to avoid getting to rowdy, ukrainian girls hate loud drunk guys with a passion.

Also, be careful not to fall afoul of the militsia. They don't put up with the kinds of things you can get away with in the UK. Luckily, they can be bribed cheaply.

One last thing. If you or your buddies see someone drop money onto the street, on no account should you pick it up. It's a well known scam. have seen at least one stag get taken.Mr. Shadow,

Thank you for the usefull reports. I came to Kiev 2 days ago and was sad that the RP is gone. Not knowing where to turn, I will check out these place tonight. What kind of price range should be expecting?

AZN Monger

08-14-10, 16:21

Speed Touch

08-14-10, 22:54

I just learned that my profile on mamba.ru has been blocked for violating one of their provisions... HUH?

I haven't done anything outside of the normal searching for profiles and sending messages. I just paid $10 for VIP access a couple days ago too.

Has anyone had this experience and is it possible to reverse the block. I don't even know what I did wrong!

It happened to me sometime ago - I think it might have been a photo violation (ie no face) - I had to create a new profile and post a different photo.

It might have been a complaint from someone...or the might detect if you are sending the same message to lots of people :-)

TheKnight

08-15-10, 01:27

Rio and Premiere strip clubs both have girls you can arrange sessions with, depending on how nicely you ask, but they're pricey (starting at $250).

Do you mean the Premier Palace "strip theatre" as they laughingly call it?
I hated this place due to the very tame show and the horrible greedy girls Can't believe takeouts from there are $250

If you mean another club, please let me know of it.

Rio's is ok though!

Diceman

08-15-10, 09:27

Mr. Shadow,

Thank you for the usefull reports. I came to Kiev 2 days ago and was sad that the RP is gone. Not knowing where to turn, I will check out these place tonight. What kind of price range should be expecting?Shadow already told here the price. RTFF

Ididid

08-15-10, 11:19

250 $ for one night ? From Rio ? That is actually pretty decent if you look at the quality of the girls there.

Toptraveler1

08-15-10, 13:14

Is RP closed?

If yes for how long and why?

Uke Boy

08-15-10, 19:46

Is RP closed? If yes for how long and why?Don't you think that if I or anyone else knew the answers to your inane questions, this "answer" would have been posted in the forum a long time ago. Why do you even ask if it is closed? That news is now very old news, try to RTFF and also understand what was written. You ask a lot of questions in your posts but you contribute nothing of value. You are just another useless leech.

From other posts, many are still mourning its loss and may continue to do so for a long time.

How about if you write a letter to President Yanukovich and ask him to reopen it in order to immediately improve Ukraine's economy?

Uke Boy

08-15-10, 19:49

250 $ for one night ? From Rio ? That is actually pretty decent if you look at the quality of the girls there.It is not $250 per night. That really is a bargain for Rio quality. It can happen if you hit it off with the girl but chances are not good. For 99%, it is not going to happen, sorry.

The actual rate is $300 (or more) for about 2 hours.

Bimbo Boy

08-16-10, 14:35

Hello guys,
I want to take a few non-pro dates in good restaurants in Kiev. Could you recommend some ?
Money is no problem, but I do not like crazy prices either.
Regards
B.B.

Jake993

08-16-10, 16:05

Hello guys,
I want to take a few non-pro dates in good restaurants in Kiev. Could you recommend some ?
Money is no problem, but I do not like crazy prices either.
Regards
B.B.
- The restaurant in Avalon is actually pretty decent. Good seafood.
- Also good Georgian Place called Kazbek near Bessarabia Pl.
- A great French place called "Pantagruel" right near the Radisson Hotel. They have a nice covered patio.
- Of course there is always Arena which has surprisingly good food for a Brew Pub.

Bimbo Boy

08-16-10, 16:28

- The restaurant in Avalon is actually pretty decent. Good seafood.
- Also good Georgian Place called Kazbek near Bessarabia Pl.
- A great French place called "Pantagruel" right near the Radisson Hotel. They have a nice covered patio.
- Of course there is always Arena which has surprisingly good food for a Brew Pub.
Thanks Jake !
B.B.

Markharding

08-16-10, 17:05

I am too busy enjoying life with the ladies in Kiev to bother with such assholes. Yes. It shows. This is why you spend so much time on the internet.

Qjump

08-16-10, 17:34

Is RP closed?

If yes for how long and why?

Closed its sailed off

Kurenda

08-16-10, 18:26

how about if you write a letter to president yanukovich and ask him to reopen it in order to immediately improve ukraine's economy?

wasn't that yanukovich who during his election speeches talked how he will end the prostitution and first to go is "that boat in kiev"?
or maybe somebody didn't payed him enough?

Toptraveler1

08-16-10, 19:40

You are not on the right forum my friend! You must go on a medical forum to look for a good doctor who could help you.

I hope you don't use the same vocabulary with girls that you use on this forum.

Don't you think that if I or anyone else knew the answers to your inane questions, this "answer" would have been posted in the forum a long time ago. Why do you even ask if it is closed? That news is now very old news, try to RTFF and also understand what was written. You ask a lot of questions in your posts but you contribute nothing of value. You are just another useless leech.

From other posts, many are still mourning its loss and may continue to do so for a long time.

How about if you write a letter to President Yanukovich and ask him to reopen it in order to immediately improve Ukraine's economy?

Uke Boy

08-16-10, 20:26

Yes. It shows. This is why you spend so much time on the internet.So let's see, you are the proud owner of two now completely valueless properties. You find the girls here boring and stupid. You had a bad time with your Israeli pal in Yalta, another in a string of ill-thought out decisions (do we see a pattern here?) that rightly you will not tell us about in full since we will then actually know what a true dumb-ass you really are. Just to twist the knife, I have more fun in a week here, with or without the forum, than you have ever had in all your time in Ukraine. You are nothing but a serial loser. Nothing you say or do will improve your attitude nor your lot in life.

Uke Boy

08-16-10, 20:50

wasn't that yanukovich who during his election speeches talked how he will end the prostitution and first to go is "that boat in kiev"?
or maybe somebody didn't payed him enough?actually, the first to go was the restaurant boat murakami. then it became the turn of river palace. the third was some bank's boat parked next to rp.

the real issue is not of morals but rather it seems a "war" between several financial and/or political interests.

morals, or lack thereof, are never an issue nor a problem in ukraine especially amongst the political elite.

Diceman

08-16-10, 21:18

Is RP closed?

If yes for how long and why?Is it closed? Well what do you think? Have you at all bothered to read whats been going on here on this thread, yes its closed, its not even there, its deceased, gone, for gods sake rtff, its really pathetic you people who ask these stupid questions.

Diceman

08-16-10, 21:23

So let's see, you are the proud owner of two now completely valueless properties. You find the girls here boring and stupid. You had a bad time with your Israeli pal in Yalta, another in a string of ill-thought out decisions (do we see a pattern here?) that rightly you will not tell us about in full since we will then actually know what a true dumb-ass you really are. Just to twist the knife, I have more fun in a week here, with or without the forum, than you have ever had in all your time in Ukraine. You are nothing but a serial loser. Nothing you say or do will improve your attitude nor your lot in life.Don't bother to even come back to Kiev with that attitude, I agree with uke boy, your a serial loser.

Bimbo Boy

08-16-10, 23:38

Actually, the first to go was the restaurant boat Murakami. Then it became the turn of River Palace. The third was some bank's boat parked next to RP.

The real issue is not of morals but rather it seems a "war" between several financial and/or political interests.

Morals, or lack thereof, are never an issue nor a problem in Ukraine especially amongst the political elite.
It is very logical. One of the first things a newly elected official does in FSU countries is to dismantle his predecessor's money machines in order to create his own. You will see that the commercial boats will come back on the river, with owners friendlier to the new president.
B.B.

Prosal

08-17-10, 00:33

It is very logical. One of the first things a newly elected official does in FSU countries is to dismantle his predecessor's money machines in order to create his own. You will see that the commercial boats will come back on the river, with owners friendlier to the new president.

B. B.The last Andrei Kourkov novel, "The President's Last Love" is best to point the absurdities of post-Soviet life in Ukraine. Corrupt politicians, incompetent officials, etc. Told in the first person, of Sergei Pavlovich Bunin, born in the Soviet Union in 1960, who progresses from being an unemployed youth to becoming the President of the post-Soviet Ukraine. A great read indeed.

http://www.Amazon. Co. Uk/Presidents-. V/dp/1843432579

BTW his other books are also great, especially his hits, 'Death and the Penguin' and 'Pengouin Lost': Viktor tracks down his beloved Penguin, Misha, through Ukraine, Russia and even Chechenya. True gems.

CallSign Papa

08-17-10, 07:48

It is not $250 per night. That really is a bargain for Rio quality. It can happen if you hit it off with the girl but chances are not good. For 99%, it is not going to happen, sorry.

The actual rate is $300 (or more) for about 2 hours.I probably should have prefaced $250 if you can speak okay russian. I haven't been there since last year, so prices may have gone up though.

Diceman

08-17-10, 08:06

The last Andrei Kourkov novel, "The President's Last Love" is best to point the absurdities of post-Soviet life in Ukraine. Corrupt politicians, incompetent officials, etc. Told in the first person, of Sergei Pavlovich Bunin, born in the Soviet Union in 1960, who progresses from being an unemployed youth to becoming the President of the post-Soviet Ukraine. A great read indeed.

http://www.Amazon. Co. Uk/Presidents-. V/dp/1843432579

BTW his other books are also great, especially his hits, 'Death and the Penguin' and 'Pengouin Lost': Viktor tracks down his beloved Penguin, Misha, through Ukraine, Russia and even Chechenya. True gems.Is this site not about sex travel etc?

Let's get on track.

Markharding

08-17-10, 16:43

AColonizer

08-17-10, 17:10

Is there any little-known agency or brothel in Kiev and surroundings? (Please, don't talk about those leaflets given on roads.)

Bimbo Boy

08-17-10, 18:59

Hello all.
I have RTFF'ed the Kiev forum, and I am well aware that apartments are the way to go. However, since it is my first time in Kiev and since I am only staying 3 days, I have chosen to stay at one of Kiev's central upscale hotels.
I intend to bring in a selection of freebees recruited on Mamba, but also some pro working ladies.
I have this plan of bribing in advance hotel security, so that they will make no hassle when I bring my ladies in.
What do you experienced FSU mongers think of this idea? Good or bad ? Any better options ? If it is a good idea, what would be the correct amount (remember that the room price is about $200 a night) ? Who should be paid, the chief of security, or the security guy in charge at a given moment ?
I thank you in advance for your precious advice.
Regards.
B.B.

Bimbo Boy

08-17-10, 19:07

Hello all,
I have lined up about 14 semi-pros to choose from for my stay in Kiev.
The lowest price was 400 ge. The median seems to be about 600 ge.
A number of girls are asking for outrageous prices : up to $200 or $300 an hour. I was able to negociate them down to about $100/hour.
One of them insists on $200, so I said ok, but 2 hours. My strategy is to pay upfront $100. If she performs well, then I'll keep her for 2 hours, if not I'll kick her out after 1 hour.
What do you think of these prices ?
Regards.
B.B.

Uke Boy

08-17-10, 19:57

I have lined up about 14 semi-pros to choose from for my stay in Kiev.The lowest price was 400 ge. The median seems to be about 600 ge.A number of girls are asking for outrageous prices : up to $200 or $300 an hour. I was able to negociate them down to about $100/hour.What do you think of these prices ?BB, 400 to 600 grivna per hour sounds about right for someone coming in with no Russian and doing the mamba contact thing. If they stay beyond the hour, you could make each subsequent hour half the price of the first hour. Chances are they will like that arrangement. If you hit if off, the prices can even come down to zero.

Those who ask for $200 or more are just looking for complete idiots who will pay any price as long as it is less than what they are paying at home but for talent that is significantly better. I would recommend staying away from these greedy and vain ladies. High prices here usually mean low or no quality service.

You will probably have more fun with the 400 grivna girl than with anyone charging $200 or more. The latter will likely be talking into her phone or yawning while she waits impatiently for you to finish. Not a fun scenario for me nor anyone else.

It Travel

08-17-10, 20:09

BB, 400 to 600 grivna per hour sounds about right for someone coming in with no Russian and doing the mamba contact thing. If they stay beyond the hour, you could make each subsequent hour half the price of the first hour. Chances are they will like that arrangement. If you hit if off, the prices can even come down to zero.

Those who ask for $200 or more are just looking for complete idiots who will pay any price as long as it is less than what they are paying at home but for talent that is significantly better. I would recommend staying away from these greedy and vain ladies. High prices here usually mean low or no quality service.

You will probably have more fun with the 400 grivna girl than with anyone charging $200 or more. The latter will likely be talking into her phone or yawning while she waits impatiently for you to finish. Not a fun scenario for me nor anyone else.

200-400 USD are day prices not hour ones...

IT

Uke Boy

08-17-10, 21:40

Your attack on many forum members clearly demonstrates that you are a sexually frustrated person. I am free to post my opinion on Ukraine whether you like it or not and I choose not to attack other forum members. So go see a psychologist and get a life.I do have a a life and a nice one at that. You are quite jealous since your sex life seems to be, in YOUR own words, boring, boring, boring. So who has the real problem?

You are attacking me which is in complete contradiction to your statement but then we know what type of person you really are. It also appears you are taking up the same line as another leech poster who contributes nothing to the forum. Why don't the two of you girls meet up with each other, you appear to be soul mates.

Post what you like but in my book you are still a loser.

Diceman

08-17-10, 23:27

Hello, all.

I have RTFF'ed the Kiev forum, and I am well aware that apartments are the way to go. However, since it is my first time in Kiev and since I am only staying 3 days, I have chosen to stay at one of Kiev's central upscale hotels.

I intend to bring in a selection of freebees recruited on Mamba, but also some pro working ladies.

I have this plan of bribing in advance hotel security, so that they will make no hassle when I bring my ladies in.

What do you experienced FSU mongers think of this idea? Good or bad? Any better options? If it is a good idea, what would be the correct amount (remember that the room price is about $200 a night)? Who should be paid, the chief of security, or the security guy in charge at a given moment?

I thank you in advance for your precious advice.

Regards

B. B.My advice is to tell them to fuck off, thats what I would do and have done in the past, what can they do? Nothing absolutely nothing, I can't understand you guys who come on here and constantly fret about bringing a girl back to a hotel that you have paid a room rate for, so what if you said she wasnt staying and was coming in for a coffee? What the fuck can they do or say? Zero nothing, and when your paying $200 a night they can say double zero, for fucks sake laugh in there face, they will lose there job trying to extort money from you, I stayed at the hyatt for a weekend and was asked for money off the security, I looked him straight in the eye and said "fuck off your getting nothing, " then laughed in his face, he soon shut up. Fuck them the lot of them give them nothing.

J sceen

08-17-10, 23:58

Can somebody please tell me what this has to do with mongering?

Ladies get a life and return to the subject at hand.

I do have a a life and a nice one at that. You are quite jealous since your sex life seems to be, in YOUR own words, boring, boring, boring. So who has the real problem?

You are attacking me which is in complete contradiction to your statement but then we know what type of person you really are. It also appears you are taking up the same line as another leech poster who contributes nothing to the forum. Why don't the two of you girls meet up with each other, you appear to be soul mates.

Post what you like but in my book you are still a loser.

Curlyjoe

08-18-10, 02:05

Guys!!! We DON'T CARE about your personnal fights or opinions of each other. Kill each other in PM and get to the point of this thread: what is going on in Kiev.

I do have a a life and a nice one at that. You are quite jealous since your sex life seems to be, in YOUR own words, boring, boring, boring. So who has the real problem?

You are attacking me which is in complete contradiction to your statement but then we know what type of person you really are. It also appears you are taking up the same line as another leech poster who contributes nothing to the forum. Why don't the two of you girls meet up with each other, you appear to be soul mates.

Post what you like but in my book you are still a loser.

Toptraveler1

08-18-10, 02:53

Uke Boy,

You really need someone to help you. I am serious, you are a loser.

I do have a a life and a nice one at that. You are quite jealous since your sex life seems to be, in YOUR own words, boring, boring, boring. So who has the real problem?

You are attacking me which is in complete contradiction to your statement but then we know what type of person you really are. It also appears you are taking up the same line as another leech poster who contributes nothing to the forum. Why don't the two of you girls meet up with each other, you appear to be soul mates.

Post what you like but in my book you are still a loser.

Boofer

08-18-10, 09:12

how is "Avalon" and "Shooters" as a River Palace replacement? Was talking to a high end girl who claimed that these two places are the replacement!!!

Norwegianguy

08-18-10, 10:48

how is "Avalon" and "Shooters" as a River Palace replacement? Was talking to a high end girl who claimed that these two places are the replacement!!!Was in Kiev two weekends ago, and seemed like the pro girls didnt had decided where to go after the loveboat was towed away. Some familiar faces seen in Avalon, some in Shooters and some in Decadance. But for my eyes it looked like many of the high class girls had moved into D'lux at Dinamo stadium.

NG

Prosal

08-18-10, 11:17

Is this site not about sex travel etc? Let's get on track.
Without cultural awareness, no chances to be successful with non pros in this part of the world.

Being able to discuss about Bulgakov or Lermontov to a russian girl is a ticket to her panties.

It doesn't concern you, as you are obviously a culturally ignorant woremonger who exclusively stick to prostitutes, but not everyone here is in your case.

Jojosun

08-18-10, 13:51

Hello, all.

I have RTFF'ed the Kiev forum, and I am well aware that apartments are the way to go. However, since it is my first time in Kiev and since I am only staying 3 days, I have chosen to stay at one of Kiev's central upscale hotels.

I intend to bring in a selection of freebees recruited on Mamba, but also some pro working ladies.

I have this plan of bribing in advance hotel security, so that they will make no hassle when I bring my ladies in.

What do you experienced FSU mongers think of this idea? Good or bad? Any better options? If it is a good idea, what would be the correct amount (remember that the room price is about $200 a night)? Who should be paid, the chief of security, or the security guy in charge at a given moment?

I thank you in advance for your precious advice.

Regards.

B. B.I am a central lively hotel monger myself.

I just tipped the security guy 100 UAh before I got girls to come over.

You don't have to tip anything if they come to visit you before 11pm and you meet them in the Lobby.

I didn't need to tip the security guy, but I always like to grease their palms first, just in case I might need their help later to find my way around or fix me up with girls.

But then again I always tip taxi drivers, waiteresses, waiters, meet and greet persons anywhere in the world for a good service.

I tip first before the need arises, to make a softer landing later.

Prices for girls that you posted are about right, should be about $ 80.

400 UAH girls didn't look very appealing to me at the time.

I paid more for River Palace girls during Happy hours the following afternoon.

EasyEase

08-18-10, 14:53

how is "Avalon" and "Shooters" as a River Palace replacement? Was talking to a high end girl who claimed that these two places are the replacement!!!I was in Shooters 2 nights ago and saw many WG's that I saw prior in RP.

Ofcourse the quantity of girls was less in Shooters than in RP. Honestly I liked the atmosphere in Shooters more than in RP. The girls were dancing, you could approach them on the dancefloor or at one of the bars. I didnt take any of the girls to my appartment since I was tired from the nights before but had some chatts and some fun time with some of them.

Bimbo Boy

08-18-10, 23:19

Jojosun and Diceman, thanks for your clear advice !
My best regards to you.
By the way, if you are in Kiev now, I'll happily buy you a beer!
Best regards.
B.B.

Irish Lad

08-19-10, 03:07

how is "avalon" and "shooters" as a river palace replacement? was talking to a high end girl who claimed that these two places are the replacement!!!avalon always had it's share of wg's and of course there are a few familiar faces in shooters now. however, shooters has a zero tolerance towards wgs and turned away 40/50 of them the sunday night after rp closed.

many now go to deluxe as posted here before with others rep001tered around various clubs and bars but there is no 1 single replacement.

Gentleman Travel

08-19-10, 14:52

My advice is to tell them to fuck off, thats what I would do and have done in the past, what can they do? Nothing absolutely nothing, I can't understand you guys who come on here and constantly fret about bringing a girl back to a hotel that you have paid a room rate for, ... Fuck them the lot of them give them nothing.
Well, if that works for you Diceman, and you don't mind the friction, then fine - go with it.
But Bimbo Boy, I am not sure that is the best advice, or works for everyone in every hotel.

Me, I prefer the quiet, non-confrontational approach.
Personally I would not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off hotel security guys, doormen at clubs, or militia guys. We are foreigners in a foreign land and keeping a low profile and not making enemies is always wise.

Plus the hotel security guys are not necessarily your enemy. They and the registration system can provide you with protection from being ripped off by pros. Sometimes they make you check the girl out also, or phone up to your room before they let her leave. This is a good thing.

When I first encountered the register & pay system many years ago in Rio I resisted it and felt I was being cheated and my privacy invaded. But when one girl threatened to send her friends to kill me because I would not pay her outrageous rate (in those days the pay was handled the morning after) I felt somewhat different about the tight security in the lobby.

I am not saying the Ukraine system is truly for you benefit - it is not, it is just another Eastern European shakedown - I am just saying it is normal, go with the flow and make friends not enemies.

A couple of hundred grivna here and there can make things run smoothly, avoid being harassed and avoid your freebie girl being embarrassed (being treated like a hooker in a hotel lobby).
Plus, most hotels have a different rate for one person in the room versus two (or three!). So they are semi-justified in asking you to register and pay extra for your guest. Some guys pay the double rate up front then argue that they can change their guest as often as they please. Haven't tried that approach myself.

How much you need to spend to avoid hassles, I am not sure.
But make sure that you are dealing with the right guys - if you want to tip in advance make sure the guy will still be on duty when you come home with your dyev(s) so you do not end up paying twice. I think the best approach is to talk to the security guys first, understand the rate (which you are in a better position to negotiate if you are not standing there with babe-in-arms) and make sure you have the correct bills in your pocket when you do arrive back. Then slip him his tip as discretely as you can, without having to discuss, argue or register.

Then you can focus your attention and energies on the young lovely in your arms, rather than the flat-top security goons in the lobby.

Clement Mic

08-19-10, 16:56

I ask again a question that I have previously asked but got back no answer.

Well, not the answer I expected.

Last time I was in Ukraine.

A police man stopped me, and took me in their office in the metro.

And started asking me question like where are you from? What do you do in Ukraine, blah blah blah.

Then he asked me my passport and paper (what they give in the flight and you have to fill and give them at the airport)

I was surprised, they never did this to me before.

And of course in my country, France, they would never do this like that.

But yeah, I don't dress like ukanian at all.

But my point is, at some point they asked me some paper from the hotel.

Which I did not have because I was staying in an apartment.

They insisted many times, and the thing is we couldn't even communicate clearly.

There were that other dude that started translating, and started telling me I need to give him money because I don't have this paper.

But I denied, and gave nothing.

However, I could very well get in trouble.

So do you know what paper are they talking about?

They even told me I can't stay in an apartment in Ukraine like this, I need to go to a hotel.

Is this true? Well I don't think so, because a lot of people here do the same since we all know apartments are so much better!

Regards

Jojosun

08-19-10, 17:15

Jojosun and Diceman, thanks for your clear advice !
My best regards to you.

By the way, if you are in Kiev now, I'll happily buy you a beer!

Best regards.

B.B.Thank you for the Beer tasting invitation, but actually I am here in London trying to decide, whether to go or not to a Sex party.

$108 for 10 girls over 2 hours in a nice central London apartment.

The venue is lady marmalade parties. I would have been there, but I can't find my kamagra tablets.

Yes, Tact and Patience open a lot of doors and possibilities in Kiev, not forgetting that the security guys work their asses off, 12 hour shifts, to make ends meet.

A lot of them actually are uneversity graduates who can't get a decent job.

Wasn't it a certain British Politician who said, Jaw Jaw is always better than HO HO.

Jojosun

08-19-10, 17:30

Jojosun and Diceman, thanks for your clear advice!

My best regards to you.

By the way, if you are in Kiev now, I'll happily buy you a beer!

Best regards.

B. B.Thank you for the Beer tasting invitation, but actually I am here in London trying to decide, whether to go or not to a Sex party.

$108 for 10 girls over 2 hours in a nice central London apartment.

The venue is lady marmalade parties. I would have been there, but I can't find my kamagra tablets.

Yes, Tact and Patience open a lot of doors and possibilities in Kiev, not forgetting that the security guys work their asses off, 12 hour shifts, to make ends meet.

A lot of them actually are uneversity graduates who can't get a decent job.

Wasn't it a certain British Politician who said, Jaw Jaw is always better than HO HO.

Actually the cost for the London Party, should read US$218, or 1680 UAH.

Security guys work 12 hour shifts over 3 days and then have a day or days off, so in my Hotel I was dealing with the same 1 or 2 guys over my period of stay.

Go for the leader of the Pack.

Ididid

08-19-10, 21:55

Bimbo Boy

08-20-10, 00:36

...

Plus the hotel security guys are not necessarily your enemy. They and the registration system can provide you with protection from being ripped off by pros. Sometimes they make you check the girl out also, or phone up to your room before they let her leave. This is a good thing.
...
A couple of hundred grivna here and there can make things run smoothly, avoid being harassed and avoid your freebie girl being embarrassed (being treated like a hooker in a hotel lobby).Well today, I walked in broad daylight with my beautiful blondy in the lobby of one of the most luxurious hotels of Kiev. Nobody had time to react, and we went up to my room with no problem. A few clients stared at us, perfectly aware of the situation. It was a sort of "walk of shame". Next time, now that I know Kiev better, I will of course take an apartment.

Several hours later, though, I gave 100 grivna to the boy in the lobby, in order to reinforce his good attitude.

However, I see a problem with not registering the girl and it is the following. In the middle of the session with my girl, I started worrying that she might be under 18 because she is a student and looks so young. I asked her age repeatedly but I did not have the nerve to ask her to show me her ID. I confess I was relieved when she was out.

Regards. B.B.

Explorer69

08-20-10, 06:50

Was in Kiev two weekends ago, and seemed like the pro girls didnt had decided where to go after the loveboat was towed away. Some familiar faces seen in Avalon, some in Shooters and some in Decadance. But for my eyes it looked like many of the high class girls had moved into D'lux at Dinamo stadium.

NGWhat is D'lux at Dinamo stadium?

Irish Lad

08-20-10, 08:47

What is D'lux at Dinamo stadium?
t's a new club opened last year over several floors beside the Dynamo stadium. High class, 200 hrivna entry. Same WGs as Avalon but they wear a more superior attitude here.

Jojosun

08-20-10, 10:46

I have read this forum for a while now, since I was in Kiev around new year.

And there is something I find odd. When me and my friends were there, we often just grabbed a cab and asked them to drive us to some prostitutes, and it was no problem. They often asked what we were willing to pay and everything went smooth !

We got girls for 400UAH, for 600 UAH, 500 UAH

And once we went to a brothel, the best brothel I have ever been in. And paid 1200 UAH.

We were at RP and Rio to, and to be honest, the pros at RP was not very tempting, and i did not know that I could bring home girls from RIO:) ( we were there only once).

So where is the reports on random brothels ? Come on, I bet some of you do the same ;) just jump a cab and ask for prostitutes.I go to Kiev on my own, and being alone I certainly wouldn't go mongering just by jumping into a Taxi and telling the Taxi driver to take me to some Unknown brothels.

You were fine, since you were in a group.

Brothels I gather are called salons, and I didn't manage to try an incall there.

Next time I will, now I found an honest driver.

Jojosun

08-20-10, 10:48

I have read this forum for a while now, since I was in Kiev around new year.

And there is something I find odd. When me and my friends were there, we often just grabbed a cab and asked them to drive us to some prostitutes, and it was no problem. They often asked what we were willing to pay and everything went smooth !

We got girls for 400UAH, for 600 UAH, 500 UAH

And once we went to a brothel, the best brothel I have ever been in. And paid 1200 UAH.

We were at RP and Rio to, and to be honest, the pros at RP was not very tempting, and i did not know that I could bring home girls from RIO:) ( we were there only once).

So where is the reports on random brothels ? Come on, I bet some of you do the same ;) just jump a cab and ask for prostitutes.Why don't you start by sticking a report on The best Brothel 1200UAH?

Name, Location, No of girls?

AColonizer

08-20-10, 15:41

Yes, good idea, the last best chances are in brothels.

Unfortunately, piggest prostitutes are becoming very few and indipendent agencies are disappearing! I don't know where has gone my Odessa agency supplying the piggest girls in the market for cheap prices!

We need phone numbers and addresses about brothels. I mean, local brothels, not for foreigners! Local brothels and "open-minded" massage salons.

Ididid wrote right prices, but the problem is always the same: for what? For a quickie? For anal sex ending with deepthroat swallow blowjob? For an anal fisting? For what?

I have read this forum for a while now, since I was in Kiev around new year.

And there is something I find odd. When me and my friends were there, we often just grabbed a cab and asked them to drive us to some prostitutes, and it was no problem. They often asked what we were willing to pay and everything went smooth !

We got girls for 400UAH, for 600 UAH, 500 UAH

And once we went to a brothel, the best brothel I have ever been in. And paid 1200 UAH.

We were at RP and Rio to, and to be honest, the pros at RP was not very tempting, and i did not know that I could bring home girls from RIO:) ( we were there only once).

So where is the reports on random brothels ? Come on, I bet some of you do the same ;) just jump a cab and ask for prostitutes.

Mellowtrax

08-20-10, 17:27

Last time I was in Ukraine. A police man stopped me, and took me in their office in the metro.

Then he asked me my passport and paper (what they give in the flight and you have to fill and give them at the airport)

I was surprised, they never did this to me before.As a foreigner in Ukraine you are obligated on request to show your passport and paper from the flight to the police, so this is legit. If you don't have it on you, they are entitled to bring you to the police station and withhold you there.

But my point is, at some point they asked me some paper from the hotel.

Which I did not have because I was staying in an apartment.

They insisted many times, and the thing is we couldn't even communicate clearly.

There were that other dude that started translating, and started telling me I need to give him money because I don't have this paper.

But I denied, and gave nothing.

However, I could very well get in trouble.

So do you know what paper are they talking about?

They even told me I can't stay in an apartment in Ukraine like this, I need to go to a hotel.

Is this true? Well I don't think so, because a lot of people here do the same since we all know apartments are so much better!In your situation they were clearly trying to extort you. You are only obligated to show your passport and the paper from the flight. Where you stay while you are in Ukraine is none of their business.

However, it's a good thing also to bring a receipt, documenting where you are staying, with you. Most apartment agencies give you a receipt for your payment. You can also ask for a receipt from private landlords. You automatically get a receipt from hotels, at least decent hotels.

Next time a cop is trying to extort you, ask for his identification and write down his name, service number, time and place. If he resist (also if he gives you the information voluntarily, which he most likely doesn't), then insist on calling your embassy. Many European countries, including France, have a 24/7 hotline.

Mellow

Mellowtrax

08-20-10, 17:39

What is D'lux at Dinamo stadium?It's a new high end night club, opened about 3 months ago.

http://www.dlux.com.ua/

Norwegianguy

08-20-10, 18:28

What is D'lux at Dinamo stadium?http://www.dlux.com.ua/

Quite upscale club located in the Dinamo kiev stadium complex. Close to Patipa. 10 min walk from Maydan. Consept and people U find there is quite similar to Barsky. Was very popular this spring, when it opened after restoration. Not sure now.
Vodka bar was absolutely packed in a sunday night. Looks like this is the place to be if u looking a lively spot in a sunday,monday or tuesday.

Not sure how many RP divas there, but party was good. And very easy find. If you can find the high statue monument on maydan, u will find the bar. Under the statue. Entrance on right side of statue when u looking towards hotel ukraine.

NG

TheKnight

08-20-10, 19:06

What is D'lux at Dinamo stadium?

A new supposedly elite "Disco Club". Go on the road up the hill past the stadium....D-Lux is on the right. Ironically if you got a cab from Kreschatyk to RP in the 6 months before it closed, you would have gone right past the club!

I'll check it out soon. I know there was quite strict face control when it opened, but that may have eased now it's been open a while.

Jojosun

08-21-10, 12:53

t's a new club opened last year over several floors beside the Dynamo stadium. High class, 200 hrivna entry. Same WGs as Avalon but they wear a more superior attitude here.So they are charging 100hriva more than RP,and the girls wear a more superior attiude.

I wonder how much they will be asking?

AColonizer

08-21-10, 15:47

About D'Lux and Patipa and Rio and Arena, which are prices and services?

Which are the best brothels in Kiev?

Which are the indipendent prostitutes on duty now?

Happymojo

08-22-10, 12:19

As a foreigner in Ukraine you are obligated on request to show your passport and paper from the flight to the police, so this is legit. If you don't have it on you, they are entitled to bring you to the police station and withhold you there.

In your situation they were clearly trying to extort you. You are only obligated to show your passport and the paper from the flight. Where you stay while you are in Ukraine is none of their business.

However, it's a good thing also to bring a receipt, documenting where you are staying, with you. Most apartment agencies give you a receipt for your payment. You can also ask for a receipt from private landlords. You automatically get a receipt from hotels, at least decent hotels.

Next time a cop is trying to extort you, ask for his identification and write down his name, service number, time and place. If he resist (also if he gives you the information voluntarily, which he most likely doesn't), then insist on calling your embassy. Many European countries, including France, have a 24/7 hotline.

MellowI was stop by the police in their Soviet are blue jeep. I was coming back from VK Bar. It was me and my friend. I was walking in Les Ukrinsky blvd around 3:00 AM and they asked for my passport which I didn't have and they took us to a police stations which was really look like a class room. I try to bribe the police but he didn't take my money. He said it is protocol for foreigner to have their passport all the time. Anyhow I call the US embassy and they had someone talk Russian to the police officer and after like 2 hours they let us go. But US embassy was very helpful and they almost sent someone to get us out but by then they police let us go. From now on I take my passport with me everywhere, I know there is risk that I can lose it but it is better then going to police station. But for all you US citizen have the embassy phone # save in your cell phone. It might come handy.