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t does any one know of a nice non-pro bar?Sure it's touristy but have you tried Docker Pub? Lots of women there, often in groups at a table.
If they speak English and are smart just walk up to them and ask them to settle an argument with you and a friend.. that's always a good icebreaker. As for the question you ask it's up to you.
In Germany or America I'd ask "What is the name of the princess in Neverending Story?" this is bost a test to make sure they're the right age and also a trick question as the movie never tells you, only the book. I think the answer is moonchild. It doesn't matter lol
..another grivna.
Was in Kiev again last weekend, am there now half of the month, great place, still getting to know it though.
Friday evening the Buddha Bar was relatively full with pro's, Saturday was packing. I have never seen it that full, maybe it was an exception, or the invisible hand of supply and demand working its' way around the closure of RP and Mandarin. In any case, also during the week, no problems in finding p4p there.
Prices quoted between US200 (reasonable) and US500 (silly). Took a nice 30 year old with me, went dancing in the Caribbean, took her home, had good sessions before and after breakfast, paid U200. She is a keeper for the lonely winter nights.
Better still is the freebie mamba carousel, if played well, and if you are willing to invest in a couple of evenings out before any real action (some of them really play the role of "nice" ukrainian girl to perfection), the problem quickly becomes one of time and not opportunity. I am almost 50, my target is 30-35y, and there is an almost endless well of intelligent, well educated, professional woman, who are willing to date, dine, dance and ultimately drop their pants for a nice foreigner. Getting them in the sack the first night is of course the objective, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. For me it does not matter much, I love the "game", and as I am there so often now, no problem to cultivate a few, and harvest another few during the weekend.
A question to the more experienced, are there any nice "neighbourhood" bars in the centre or Podol (where my apprt is), just to have a beer and a snack, mee the locals sort of. Buddha Bar is nice, but hardly a place any more where you can take a non-pro for glass of wine and relax, too many pro's. The OK Bar is nice, but not very romantic inside. Clubs and restaurants plenty of course, but does any one know of a nice non-pro bar ?
Thanks, and keep it up.
Ciao
BRHi,
Lots of bars in the centre more suitable to your needs.
Volias on boulevard Chevchenko 1. Walk up from Kreschatyk 40 metres and turn left through the 1st archway after DHL then downstairs on left. It's confortable and relaxed.
A few others listed on www.infoinkiev.com
So I got this wonderful apartment with a bar and lounge, I don't really feel like getting any top models yet (I got time) I need to find a girlfriend or two. All I need to do is get the women in here and they'll see the light.
What should I be doing on my weekdays? I plan soon to be busy with work all week, typically in nights (have to be in touch with the US during their business hours) so will then have little time for fun. Now all I got is time.
Any suggestions? Is there any action in this city on weekdays? It seems there should be. I'm almost starting to miss Piter already because Metro is always hopping and great for pickups.Ziggy. Deserves all the info that old Kiev Hands can dish out.
Just look at the aomunt of research he did here and all the in put he posted from St, p before he even landed in Kiev.
Unlike a lot of the Lazy mongers, who prefer to get the Digits&info via PM, then never to hear from them on here again.
A question to the more experienced, are there any nice "neighbourhood" bars in the centre or Podol (where my apprt is), just to have a beer and a snack, mee the locals sort of. I live in another part of Kiev and don't know Podol all too well. My recommendation is for you to just walk into any local place and make your own personal inspection. Barring that, a good place that is not "local" as you may want to define it in your area is Arizona BBQ on the river. It is an ex-pat hangout but is definitely not populated by hardcore hookers.
Brotherrabitt
10-06-10, 10:19
...thanks a lot for the suggestions re "normal" bars. I will check them out next week when I am back in Kyiv.
Ciao
BR
there is an almost endless well of intelligent, well educated, professional woman, who are willing to date, dine, dance and ultimately drop their pants for a nice foreigner. Getting them in the sack the first night is of course the objective, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. For me it does not matter much, I love the "game", and as I am there so often now, no problem to cultivate a few, and harvest another few during the weekend.Right on the money. The endless availability of gorgeous 25/35 yo available (single, divorced or single moms) women to be found in FSU, if you actively seek them out, is literally incredible. More and more I write off the 18/24 yo girls and make of their older sisters my prime target. They are usually all well-educated charm, femininity, fun, and with no or few materialistic expectations. They have usually mentally and physically draining jobs and desperately need some adventure, romance and sex. And they are usually astonishingly horny (some even to nymphomania).
Getting them in the sack the first night is of course the objective, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. For me it does not matter much, I love the "game", and as I am there so often now, no problem to cultivate a few, and harvest another few during the weekend.We obviously share the same frame of mind. Personally there is nothing I like more in FSU than the conquest of banging one of my target girls after going through "the game". I kind of look at it like a chess game. That's for me what mongering is all about.
Well, ok, I also love vodka-fuelled one-night-stand club sluts. :)
Khreschatyk Street or Opera house area?
Some people said that Opera house area and nearby university is easy to monger. Other said Khreschatyk street.
Which area is the most action going on? For monger.
Khreschatyk Street or Opera house area?
Some people said that Opera house area and nearby university is easy to monger. Other said Khreschatyk street.
Which area is the most action going on? For monger.
Ziggy. Deserves all the info that old Kiev Hands can dish out.
Just look at the aomunt of research he did here and all the in put he posted from St, p before he even landed in Kiev.
Unlike a lot of the Lazy mongers, who prefer to get the Digits&info via PM, then never to hear from them on here again.Haha, thanks man. I'm just trying to find my place here. Looks like I'm going on a date with the Azn girl I met my first night at Avalon. It's going to be with my friends and her friends. Taking it slow.
I guess there is just so much pressure when you read all these reports. I mean, if I'm not banging 4 women a night I must be doing it wrong eh?
if you get caught, the local police will beat you to death.
seriously, while the age of consent is "technically" 16, this is still ukraine where laws are decided on a case by case basis by the local police and prosecutor.
in your case, as a foreigner, if you get caught with a 17 year old girl (or even worse, a 16 year old no matter how old she looks or how old she says she is), you might as well then get used to spreading your butt cheeks wide open for the worst of the hardcore criminal elements in kiev jails. i hope you enjoy anal sex - done on you!
they just love stupid foreigners.
if she says she is 16 or 17, my guess is that she is 15 or even younger. ask her for her passport to confirm her age. you are playing with real fire, so do not be stupid and think and act only with that object between your legs.i hear girls who say they are **** are more likely to be connected with fake cops or corrupt cops.
Insomniaque
10-07-10, 11:22
Hi there,
I have done some work on flirtcomua and here's my little report.
I have worked for about 2 weeks and reviewed about 360 profiles. Have to say I had a lot of surprises; possibly because it's my first try and I need to learn the tricks.
1st surprise, Adriana Lima is in Kiev and she is offering sex for money; and so are Monica Bellucci and Keeley Hazell. Holy shit.
2nd surprise, the astronomical ratio of profiles which get deleted right after having been posted. Out of the 350 profiles I had selected, about 50% were deleted within 24-48h. I would be curious to know how the moderators operate?
Now, the way I see it, profiles can be sorted into 3 categories:
A) explicit: p4p offer written in black and white and/or softcore pics, etc.
B) sponsoring: basically the same as above, but much less straightforward. I guess this is where the semi-pros are lurking.
C) freestyle: everything else
Now my 3rd surprise was regarding the response rates: 25%, 45% and 22% respectively. I expected the rates in (a) and (b) to be much, much higher. Although I am not too bothered with respect to explicit offers, as this is not my primary target. I don't like the way most girls in this category will handle your case. Just giving a phone number, a list of services and a price, and not taking the slightest pain to chit-chat. Okay, well, fuck off then.
I am much more concerned with the girls to sponsor (in the proper sense) I. E the semi-pros. 45% sounds really low to me. I might not be asking the right questions. Anyone to share his techniques?
In the end, here's what I come up with: 3 pure p4p, interesting enough to be kept as a safety net in case the rest fails; 1 girl to sponsor (only one, jesus christ) and a potential freebie (the most interesting one by far). Is that a good harvest?
It may be worth mentioning that I did a search for 18-29 yo chicks, and that I put no pictures on my profile. (I send them to the chicks upon request, by email.)
Feel free to comment on my report, any piece of advice is appreciated!
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A question to the more experienced, are there any nice "neighbourhood" bars in the centre or Podol (where my apprt is), just to have a beer and a snack, mee the locals sort of. Buddha Bar is nice, but hardly a place any more where you can take a non-pro for glass of wine and relax, too many pro's. The OK Bar is nice, but not very romantic inside. Clubs and restaurants plenty of course, but does any one know of a nice non-pro bar ?
BRI love Podol. And definitely the place to be was Bochka Bar (Barrell) in Kontraktova. Near the cinema/theatre on the far corner of the square. Head down one of those roads away from the square towards the river. That branch of Bochka was the first in Kyiv I think, and it's cracking early evening. There are a few other places opened up right near there too, a good bar right next door, Kontraktova side.
They both do reasonable snacks/light food and great beer in Bochka!
Friendly crowd. And a lot of students tend to go in there after lessons on Thurs + Fri early evenings. Later in the evening the single girls go home and the place seems more full of attached girls or larger mixed groups where the chances of taking a girl from that group are very low.
Or you could walk down to the river and take a boat ride, or at least see if there's a decent number of unattached girls queuing for the next boat to depart. So much alcohol is consumed on those boats, the music is pumped out and with the right crowd it's a good laugh. Of course if you get nowhere you are stuck on board for 60-90 minutes or so with no escpae!
Oliva, the Italian restaurant on podol's main drag is popular with girls. But you could say the same about hundreds of restaurants in Kyiv.
Hope that helps!
Hi there,
It may be worth mentioning that I did a search for 18-29 yo chicks, and that I put no pictures on my profile. (I send them to the chicks upon request, by email.)
Feel free to comment on my report, any piece of advice is appreciated!That's about right I would suggest. I think they are very distrustful of profiles without a photo. Just as we are distrustful of poor Keeley Hazell hahaha!
When I eventually stuck a photo up there the response rate was much higher for me. I cannot believe the success. Two girls outside my (and Bez's) normal age range both came straight out and invited me for a walk to a "special place" for them on the second letter. One is 30, the other 33. And first I thought it was a honey-trap from one of my regular GFs whom I met on mamba (I think I caught her out doing that before, but she claimed it was a friend in her office who was jealous of her). Anyway, now gathered enough evidence to know these 2 are both genuine.
I am still deciding whether to meet either/both next time. One is from Krym and willing to take train to see me in Kyiv if I don't make it to the south! Absolutely no mention of money before you ask.
Brotherrabitt
10-08-10, 12:16
I love Podol. And definitely the place to be was Bochka Bar (Barrell) in Kontraktova. Near the cinema/theatre on the far corner of the square. Head down one of those roads away from the square towards the river. That branch of Bochka was the first in Kyiv I think, and it's cracking early evening. There are a few other places opened up right near there too, a good bar right next door, Kontraktova side.
Thanks for the info Knight. Will check it out when I am back next week.
BR
Brotherrabitt
10-08-10, 12:23
Well, ok, I also love vodka-fuelled one-night-stand club sluts. :)
Really :)? Hardship, pure hardship :).
Tuesday I am back, cannot wait.
BR
CallSign Papa
10-08-10, 12:32
Feel free to comment on my report, any piece of advice is appreciated!
IMHO, the key to getting anywhere on mamba/flirt is getting your basic russian down. Showing that you're taking the time learn their language goes a lot further than a photo of you with your top off (not that I'm saying you have that Imsomniaque ;) )
Of course, that's a bit of hassle for those just looking to dip in/out of the kiev scene, but from my experience, the more effort you put in pre-trip in terms of research and language, the more you'll benefit when you hit the streets.
Heading over in a few short weeks, been too damn long brothers!
Gentleman Travel
10-08-10, 14:37
Now, the way I see it, profiles can be sorted into 3 categories:
A) explicit: p4p offer written in black and white and/or softcore pics, etc.
B) sponsoring: basically the same as above, but much less straightforward. I guess this is where the semi-pros are lurking.
C) freestyle: everything else
Now my 3rd surprise was regarding the response rates: 25%, 45% and 22% respectively. I expected the rates in (a) and (b) to be much, much higher. Although I am not too bothered with respect to explicit offers, as this is not my primary target. I don't like the way most girls in this category will handle your case. Just giving a phone number, a list of services and a price, and not taking the slightest pain to chit-chat. Okay, well, fuck off then.
Don't be surprised that the pros don't want to chat and just get down to business. They are in this as a business. If you are contacting pro back home, you don't chit-chat, you discuss rates and arrange an appointment.
As for the "low response" rate, I would not call it that. I think it's pretty good. Consider also that if you are contacting them in English, they may simply not bother to respond because their language skills are weak (even if they claim differently - a pro exaggerating her attributes on the web? Never!). Plus they know you are a foreigner, thus unlikely to become a regular. Unless she can soak you for a premium price because you are a dumb foreigner, you are a low-yield prospective client. Western white god appeal is not what it used to be and many girls would rather have a local (i.e. long term) client or sponsor.
Gentleman Travel
10-08-10, 14:50
Right on the money. The endless availability of gorgeous 25/35 yo available (single, divorced or single moms) women to be found in FSU, if you actively seek them out, is literally incredible. More and more I write off the 18/24 yo girls and make of their older sisters my prime target. They are usually all well-educated charm, femininity, fun, and with no or few materialistic expectations. They have usually mentally and physically draining jobs and desperately need some adventure, romance and sex. And they are usually astonishingly horny (some even to nymphomania).
I think the 30+ crowd also remembers the hard times and maybe still views western guys more favourably. The younger girls (20-25) grew up as Moscow (and to a much lesser extent) Kiev were coming into their own as major capitals with all the big city attributes like flash night clubs and world class bling stores. They never longed for the west the way their older sisters did.
Another short, to the point and very informative post of detailed local info from that, excuse me TK, old stager The Knight.
While our paths have crossed in cyberspace a number times in a number of venues, we have not yet had the pleasure of doing so in the flesh as it were. In any event, it can relied upon that while YMMV that The Knight`s suggestions and pointers will be accurate and above all useful. Thanks and a prime example of why ISG is such a valuable resource to wandering mongers everywhere.
E.
I love Podol. And definitely the place to be was Bochka Bar (Barrell) in Kontraktova. Near the cinema/theatre on the far corner of the square. Head down one of those roads away from the square towards the river. That branch of Bochka was the first in Kyiv I think, and it's cracking early evening. There are a few other places opened up right near there too, a good bar right next door, Kontraktova side.
They both do reasonable snacks/light food and great beer in Bochka!
Friendly crowd. And a lot of students tend to go in there after lessons on Thurs + Fri early evenings. Later in the evening the single girls go home and the place seems more full of attached girls or larger mixed groups where the chances of taking a girl from that group are very low.
Or you could walk down to the river and take a boat ride, or at least see if there's a decent number of unattached girls queuing for the next boat to depart. So much alcohol is consumed on those boats, the music is pumped out and with the right crowd it's a good laugh. Of course if you get nowhere you are stuck on board for 60-90 minutes or so with no escpae!
Oliva, the Italian restaurant on podol's main drag is popular with girls. But you could say the same about hundreds of restaurants in Kyiv.
Hope that helps!
Insomniaque
10-08-10, 15:50
I am sure a photo would help, but I have this special one at home and the world is just too fucking small.
As for the language, yes, I intended to learn some Russian for my job anyway; I trust it will help. Although I am already using Google translate when the girls speak only Russian.
Plus they know you are a foreigner, thus unlikely to become a regular. Unless she can soak you for a premium price because you are a dumb foreigner, you are a low-yield prospective client. Western white god appeal is not what it used to be and many girls would rather have a local (I. E. Long term) client or sponsor.Mmmmh, I think this is the biggest issue. Nothing I can do about it, unfortunately.
I assume my best bet is still to work hard on some well-chosen civilians ahead of schedule, then try and talk them into an one-night stand when I will meet them. Will try that.
Thanks for the help, fellows.
Markharding
10-08-10, 21:20
It is no secret I have given up on hunting hot Ukrainian girls for a number of years (I had a great time in early 2000, but that is a "blast from the past").
I do not want to get into arguments with fellow members of this forum, but I urge new comers to the Ukraine to observe and draw their own conclusions. Observe how all the hot girls are with rich Ukrainian or Russian men and how westerners hang around average or below average girls, with probably a rare exceptions (which I have yet to observe myself).
Having said this, I suggest the same approach I have been taking for the past 2 years. My last successful trip to Morocco proves my point.
1. Take a holiday to places where Russian and Ukrainian girls travel to. Mainly Turkey and Egypt.
2. The girls are on holidays, looking for fun, so it is easy to score. And there are hundreds of girls everywhere you look. Even in Morocco, there were plenty of Russian girls to chose from, but I had my hand full with Moroccans, so I could not bother. But a friend of mine picked up a couple of hot Russians (yes, Nordic blondes - no pun intended).
3. It is legitimate there for westerners to "be". No girl is going to ask you "why are you here for?" I must have hear this question a zillion time in Yalta "why are you here? Afterall beaches in Western Europe are a lot nicer and the service is a lot better!"
Obviously, the girls are not going to look at you as a "sex tourist" but as someone who is on a legitimate holiday, the same holiday that they themselves the girls chose to take.
4. If you want P4P, and I doubt why you would want to pay a pro when there are hundreds of beauties/freebies to choose from, you will find plenty of pros in nightclubs (Urghada, Sharm El Sheikh, Antalya, Bodrum, Marmaris ...) for a fraction of the price who will get at RP or similar places in Kiev.
Unless you are in the Ukraine on a legitimate business, I think it is foolish and self-delusionary, in this age and time, to travel to the Ukraine and other former Soviet Union countries, to hunt beautiful women.
It may work out for you if you want average girls. If you want hot gorgeous girls, I wish you best luck.
Hi people, you might all remember me as Diceman, I lost my password, and sent jacson an email, requesting my username back, according to him there is no record of me being on here, cn one of you guys tell him? Bez? Uke boy? Skank? Jojuson? Come on guys, its a fucking liberty this, whos fucking "how14?Welcome back Diceman.
I had the same problem.But the only way for you now is to log in the same email address you first supplied when you first joined in as Diceman,in order to retrieve your password ,which will be sent to you to the origianl address.
Now, how is that?
[QUOTE=Markharding]It is no secret I have given up on hunting hot Ukrainian girls for a number of years (I had a great time in early 2000, but that is a "blast from the past").
I do not want to get into arguments with fellow members of this forum, but I urge new comers to the Ukraine to observe and draw their own conclusions. Observe how all the hot girls are with rich Ukrainian or Russian men and how westerners hang around average or below average girls, with probably a rare exceptions (which I have yet to observe myself).
For me, Ukraine's average looking girls are way better than American average looking girls. So I am going to Ukraine. And many Asian countries have rumors that you could find 10's even from bus station or far country side of ukraine. Maybe you are right that most exotic looking girls are only hang out with Ukrainian or Russian men and most of women in the world do as same as Ukraine women do. Date with their own ethnic groups.
(Myself is half Japanese and half Korean. And most of hottest and top rated women only date with own ethnic group only.)
But I believe that always their is exception maybe you failed your last trip in Ukraine and you only suceed in 2000. Who knows? I score miss 2011 in this December. Life is full of unexpectation!
So you are not going to Ukraine anymore?
This is an interesting perspective, thank you. I myself am here for legit business but have now some free time to learn the ropes. I am not in a hurry and am very patient. I am not about to start paying for pros when I could be wasting time better spent fostering relationships. I have an apartment here and now live here, so I have much to offer the women.
Oddly enough my first experience with Ukrainian women was in the seedy and expensive bars in Amman, Jordan. HKJ is probably my favorite country to visit (never to live) and many of the clubs in Amman are strange, couples only or open up at 3am?!
Anyhow, having begun mongering in Tel Aviv (also there for work) I thought I would take my fledgling skills and luingistic techniques out for a test run. I came up very dry in Istanbul, Amman and all over Egypt. In Amman you walk into a bar and immediately owe them $25 or more because they give you a fruit spread and some chickpeas and there are Ukrainian women dancing with all their frickin' clothes on for dirty old Arab men. To them it is like porn, but by western standards it is a complete ripoff.
The afformentioned 3am club I went to was fun, but was only a chance to meet some of these Ukrainian women 'workers' who 'dance' for money, in their clothes. Not a great impression, but they were nice.
Fast forward to Egypt and Istanbul. Man, I hardly saw any women. Maybe I was there at the wrong times, I don't know. I hate Sharm el Sheikh with a passion, I think it's the asshole of the world. So loud and noisy and gaudy. I tried reading up on ISG but there was literally NOTHING about it. There was (2. 5 years ago) something called Dream Gym or something that was shut down by the police. All in all it was a terrible experience.
So I say to you sir, your experiences may differ than mine greatly. I just think it's different strokes for different folks. I traveled the middle east extensively and even with some awesome Israeli Bedouins guiding me, but it was so tame and so boring that I just can't imagine having sex there. Here sex is on display and it seems anyone can obtain it.
I will have faith my patience that I'm a nice guy, somewhat wealthy by E. European standards, and have something to offer. I went on my first 'date' last night, but unfortunately this woman is here only visiting her high-school friends and she is headed back to Canada. I have made some contacts though. I stick with the people who have the VIP cards all Avalon or Podol restaraunts. That tends to make things much more easy.
1. Take a holiday to places where Russian and Ukrainian girls travel to. Mainly Turkey and Egypt.
2. The girls are on holidays, looking for fun, so it is easy to score. And there are hundreds of girls everywhere you look. Even in Morocco, there were plenty of Russian girls to chose from, but I had my hand full with Moroccans, so I could not bother. But a friend of mine picked up a couple of hot Russians (yes, Nordic blondes - no pun intended).
3. It is legitimate there for westerners to "be". No girl is going to ask you "why are you here for?" I must have hear this question a zillion time in Yalta "why are you here? Afterall beaches in Western Europe are a lot nicer and the service is a lot better!"
Obviously, the girls are not going to look at you as a "sex tourist" but as someone who is on a legitimate holiday, the same holiday that they themselves the girls chose to take.
4. If you want P4P, and I doubt why you would want to pay a pro when there are hundreds of beauties/freebies to choose from, you will find plenty of pros in nightclubs (Urghada, Sharm El Sheikh, Antalya, Bodrum, Marmaris ...) for a fraction of the price who will get at RP or similar places in Kiev.
Unless you are in the Ukraine on a legitimate business, I think it is foolish and self-delusionary, in this age and time, to travel to the Ukraine and other former Soviet Union countries, to hunt beautiful women.
It may work out for you if you want average girls. If you want hot gorgeous girls, I wish you best luck.
Please, which is a good dating site in ukraine (excluded mamba)?
It is no secret I have given up on hunting hot Ukrainian girls for a number of years (I had a great time in early 2000, but that is a "blast from the past").
I do not want to get into arguments with fellow members of this forum, but I urge new comers to the Ukraine to observe and draw their own conclusions. Observe how all the hot girls are with rich Ukrainian or Russian men and how westerners hang around average or below average girls, with probably a rare exceptions (which I have yet to observe myself).
Having said this, I suggest the same approach I have been taking for the past 2 years. My last successful trip to Morocco proves my point.
1. Take a holiday to places where Russian and Ukrainian girls travel to. Mainly Turkey and Egypt.
2. The girls are on holidays, looking for fun, so it is easy to score. And there are hundreds of girls everywhere you look. Even in Morocco, there were plenty of Russian girls to chose from, but I had my hand full with Moroccans, so I could not bother. But a friend of mine picked up a couple of hot Russians (yes, Nordic blondes. No pun intended).
3. It is legitimate there for westerners to "be". No girl is going to ask you "why are you here for? " I must have hear this question a zillion time in Yalta "why are you here? Afterall beaches in Western Europe are a lot nicer and the service is a lot better! "
Obviously, the girls are not going to look at you as a "sex tourist" but as someone who is on a legitimate holiday, the same holiday that they themselves the girls chose to take.
4. If you want P4P, and I doubt why you would want to pay a pro when there are hundreds of beauties/freebies to choose from, you will find plenty of pros in nightclubs (Urghada, Sharm El Sheikh, Antalya, Bodrum, Marmaris.) for a fraction of the price who will get at RP or similar places in Kiev.
Unless you are in the Ukraine on a legitimate business, I think it is foolish and self-delusionary, in this age and time, to travel to the Ukraine and other former Soviet Union countries, to hunt beautiful women.
It may work out for you if you want average girls. If you want hot gorgeous girls, I wish you best luck.Markharding. With all due respect to your opinions about Ukrainian women, there are parts in your post which resembles a piece of Swiss Cheese, full of holes., and begs the following questions& observations
!. Your last sucessful trip to Morocco doesn't prove any points, as far as I am concerned. You are not comparing Like for Like, ie Moroccan girls V Ukrainian Girls. And to suggest that an average monger to Ukraine should head instead to Morocco, Egypt and Turkey to score with hot young Ukrainian girls there all for free, is just wishful thinking.
2. Why on earth would a young hot 20s UA beauty on holiday there, gives it all for free to a 40 + western monger, never mind the 50s+mongers?
3. The young hot UA & Russian girls on holiday would do what any young western girl does on holiday anywhere, namely hang out and bang young sleek guys in their age group. Club 18/30 comes to mind.
4. There is no shortage of young sleek affluent local guys in the countries you mention, who even look very western to make chances of scoring a hit for the average UA monger near zero.
Funny that ziggy mentions here that he goes to Amman, jordan to meet UA girls. My first try with a UA born Israeli girl was in a Brothel in Tel Aviv.
And it was there for another first for me with a Moroccan israeli girl.
I know what I would prefer.
Hi jo, how you? I sent you pm to the punterlink forum. Thanks for advice here, its odd Jackson never suggested that, will all my old posts appear as well?If a week is too long in politics, it is even longer in Mongering.
River palace got towed away. The girls that you banged are older now.
Your old posts might not be of relevance now. Have a fresh start, if you can't recover your old ID and posts.
Insomniaque
10-10-10, 16:22
I would like to know what prices you guys usually pay for the "pros" advertising on Flirt? As far as I can see, prices start from UAH450 for the low-end, with an average price around UAH600. Now I have this chick, a bit too skinny in my taste but with a really slutty look (arf! arf!) so she might be an option. She quoted USD150 per hour (anal excluded), to which I replied I am not a thanksgiving turkey and there is no way I pay twice as much as the average price. She then retorted: at that price, simply the pictures are not real.
Am I right to think that she is bullshiting me?
Dar fellows:
In november I will be (for the first time) in Ukraine for a 10 days business trip. I will spend most of these 10 days in Kiev and most likely I'll have a short trip to Lugansk. My company will pay for the hotels that I choose and I will be accompanied by a (male) colleague. I will however monger solo.
As I do before every trip, I've already RTFF but some issues are not yet clear and I would really appreciate some help
- Hotels: normally I stay in 4/5 stars hotels in the diplomatic district (whatever this means in Kiev). Are such hotels guest friendly in K? If they aren't, do you have any suggestion for the weekend? Please keep in mind that I love "whole nights" and I hate to be bothered by the hotels security...
- Where to find girls. I've been working on Mamba and other general dating sites (Okcupid, plentyoffish...) but I don't really feel comfortable with the results I had so far. As others have pointed out, most of the replies come from obvoius pros (which is just fine for me...) but so far I had problems in discussing prices and service (how long, what is included, how much for the whole night and so on..). Again, suggestions? Escorts? Clubs where to find pros? I've nothing against freebies but I just won't have enough time for that.
- Prices. What is a fair rate for a whole night? I am in my mid thirties, decent looking and normally a good company. If this matters in Ukraine. To what price should I stick to avoid to be treated as an idiot?
- Avoiding the starfish. Are bad performers frequent? Any tip to deal with or (better) to avoid them?
Thank you for any input. Field report guaranteed.
I would like to know what prices you guys usually pay for the "pros" advertising on Flirt? As far as I can see, prices start from UAH450 for the low-end, with an average price around UAH600. Now I have this chick, a bit too skinny in my taste but with a really slutty look (arf! arf!) so she might be an option. She quoted USD150 per hour (anal excluded), to which I replied I am not a thanksgiving turkey and there is no way I pay twice as much as the average price. She then retorted: at that price, simply the pictures are not real.
Am I right to think that she is bullshiting me?US$ 80 max per hour .And if the pictures don't match your expectations ,send them away.
Plenty of Fish in the Dnipro.
US$ 80 max per hour .And if the pictures don't match your expectations ,send them away.
Plenty of Fish in the Dnipro.If they didn't match their pictures.
And if you do more research you will find that this same girl, is advertising herself at different prices.
I know they do it in the Uk as well.
The same girl advertises at £ 100 for 1/2 hour, and £100 per/ hour.
Insomniaque
10-11-10, 22:11
- Hotels: normally I stay in 4/5 stars hotels in the diplomatic district (whatever this means in Kiev). Are such hotels guest friendly in K? If they aren't, do you have any suggestion for the weekend? Please keep in mind that I love "whole nights" and I hate to be bothered by the hotels security...If you can afford it, I definitely recommend the Premier Palace. Nice place, good service and utterly girl-friendly (you will find some high-end hookers inside, for that matter) and you don't even need to tip the security when you bring a girl in. Plus there is a strip-club in the hotel; given the place I assume it's high-end as well. Not been there, so I don't know if take-out is on the menu; you might want to check it out if money is not your concern.
- Where to find girls... Again, suggestions? Escorts? Clubs where to find pros?Apart from dating sites? Rio strip-club, as far as I'm concerned. Nothing better to suggest... Unless the RP has found a worthy successor?
- Prices. What is a fair rate for a whole night? I am in my mid thirties, decent looking and normally a good company. If this matters in Ukraine. To what price should I stick to avoid to be treated as an idiot?Max. USD300, say for 3-4 hours (at least).
Insomniaque
10-11-10, 22:20
If they didn't match their pictures.
And if you do more research you will find that this same girl, is advertising herself at different prices.
I know they do it in the Uk as well.
The same girl advertises at £ 100 for 1/2 hour, and £100 per/ hour.Thanks Jojo,
I indeed noticed that many pros had different profiles (names, ages, etc.) but I hadn't paid attention to prices. My, plenty of sharks in the Dnipro.
Never mind. I am currently in touch with Lucy Pinder.
HunterDave
10-12-10, 03:20
Sorry for the delay on the rest of my trip but between an unexpected sad event and then good business news at work, these past few weeks have kept me busy.
Day 6
The rental agency picked me up and took me to another apartment near the new stadium off Shota Rostaveli. Nice new apartment on the 11 floor. Great view and very secure, very modern looking with a bright red leather couch. The first 5 days in paradise had been exceptional. Little did I know that things would pick up and be even better! Now for the 'rest of the story. '
After I got settled I decided it was christening time for the new place. I had wanted, from a few previous trip, to pull this hot little 20 year old blonde. Her name was Camilla, 172 cm, (I will look for her mamba profile later, but do have her digits. I have been blocked again and Mamba help support seems to be down these past few days). She is this tall slender blonde in the water with a blue mesh material in her fotos. Very hot and very nice looking. I called her up and we set up a time for mid afternoon. She was hard to bargain with wanting $100 (+taxi) for a few hours, multiple pops. I finally negotiated $80 with no cab fare. With the success I had been having this was more than I wanted to pay, but having seen her profile fotos I just had to have this one. I had to see this nice eye candy in the flesh! I told her if she showed up and she was not the girl in the fotos then the deal was off and that I would not even give her cab fare to be gone. She assured me it was her. Again, there are some hotties on Mamba you just have to see and just want to have them. Problem is there are so damn many of them! So much 'strange, ' so much to hunt. Not enough time, not enough night time to work one's tactics.
To my surprise Camilla was on time, called from downstairs and waiting outside the apartment building. I opened the door and there was the cutie I expected. She had that thin almost white blonde hair. Very nice. It was the girl in the fotos. She had put on a few kilos but hell she was very slender, almost skinny in the profile fotos. As she entered the building I was able to preview how nice her ass looked in those skin tight jeans. Very nice! Her English was passable, but I was not meeting her for the conversation. And I did plan to keep that gorgeous mouth full anyways. So language was not my intent. It seems that everytime you think you have hit and tapped the mother lode, another beautiful hottie walks in. A nice predicament to have.
We had a little wine then off to the shower for her to clean up. She looked great in the towel and I enjoyed unwrapping my daytime present. I know I had the camera video on but have yet to review any of my latest videos from this last trip. She was a good kisser, pushed back at giving a BBBJ but after I gave her an oral to remember, she loosened up and finally got into a very nice BBBJ. Camilla enjoyed swallowing all of me which made me very happy. She was great in missionary and cowgirl, but when I gave it to her in doggie, she really picked up her energy and excitement. After the first pop we lay in bed and just talked a little. She was a college student and was working to help make ends meet. She gave me a nice sensual massage, worked to make me hard again. This time I made her work hard in cowgirl and reverse cowgirl. I finished with her pinned to the mattress. Two very nice pops. We then showered together. She had very beautiful soft skin. I like it when they enjoy cleaning my cock and balls. They are so gentle and seem to be very thankful for the time together. Always nice to have a hottie soap you up in the tub. The day had started out very nice. Needless to say I had no idea that it was about to go nova!
After Camilla departed I headed over to The Patio and had a nice pizza pie and beer. I had notified several hotties I had been talking with the past few months on Mamba that I was in town and if they wanted to meet to text or call me.
I heard back from this 19 year old college student and we set up a meeting at Arena City Bar at 7 PM. I grabbed a drink at Arena and a table near the band playing. About 19. 10 in walks this tall auburn headed lovely, Laura, wearing high heels, a swatch of jeans (she called a skirt) and a nice low-cut top (showing how nicely she was endowed-a nice set of perky twins). With the band playing very loud and trying to converse with her across the table was weak at best, she then recommended I move next to her at the table. While Laura was a very attractive hottie, I found myself right next to that low-cut top and staring at the twins, hoping they also wanted to come out and play that night. All she wanted to drink was a fresh juice drink. With the band playing I then asked after she was done with her drink what she might like to do. She said just be with me and talk. I offered to take a walk down K St or we could go back to my place where I had some nice wine. She said for me to choose. (it was like asking the fat kid to guard the pie). Guess which way I went? We moseyed over to my place.
She liked the new apartment look, and the security. I popped the cork on the wine and we sat and enjoyed a small glass wine. Very nice, she leaned up against me a lot. She sure smelled nice. I asked her if she had a boyfriend and she said that she had broken up with him about 9 months before. I asked if she had dated much since her breakup and she said between studying at University and spending the summer with her mother she did not have time for a boyfriend right now. This raised my 'monger radar' to a peak interest and a fully operational screen! Needless to say it also peaked my little heads interest!
With the way things were going so smoothly in such short order. (just 1 hour since we had ever met) I decided to go I for the kill figuring this hottie was dressed to kill and had probably not been with a man in quite awhile. After some light kissing, touching, petting and then lots of DFKing I moved her from the couch to the king size bed. Great passionate kissing and slowly undressed each other. I slowly removed that little jean skirt and her top. Very nice lingerie and I thoroughly enjoyed removing her fancy hosiery from her body. I felt like a little kid in a candy shop or like on Christmas morning opening a very nice wrapped present. All for me. Keep in mind she appeared to not have had a man in quite awhile so I took things very slow. I held back my personal joy and expression when I unhooked her bra and let the twins run free. A very nice set of see cups. I ravished those yams both sucking and kissing. I slowly kissed her whole body which excited the hell out of her. I forgot to tell you that this hottie had some damn long nails and believe me I felt them that night. I gave her a nice and slow oral session which had her going nuts plus she even enjoyed several fingers inside to help get her all hot and ready. She was begging for my cock, but I told her it was my turn for some reciprocation so she gorged herself on my cock giving a great BBBJ. I made her swallow all of me as I pulled on her long auburn hair back and forth. Finally she was more than ready for missionary. I was ever so slow in entering her. Teased her with the head for a good while, she kept trying to pull me in, but I resisted till she could no longer take the teasing then when I was deep inside her that is where she had those long finger nails embedded in my ass as she held on for dear life, all the while she was DFKing and just sucking on my lips deeply. You know she is enjoying the ride when she is sticking her tongue deep inside your ears and going just plain wild. I felt like a bronco rider enjoying the ride and holding on for as long as I could! Clearly this hottie had not had a good round of sex in quite awhile! My job was to keep it up and satisfy her. We had a great time in doggie where she actually enjoyed me slapping that ass hard as I rode her from behind with a little hair pulling just like in the rodeo. I pinned her to the mattress hard to get as deep as I could and finally was able to come. Not a bad first ride and I made her come at least twice by the way her body was shaking.
We lay around talking (she wants to improve her English skills. I told her ok but that I also wanted to have her continue working her 'oral' skills at the same time). We had a little more wine and I gave her a slow light touching massage all over her back, legs, ass, pussy, etc. She then gave me a great hard massage on me and then turned to a light touching massage in an effort to get me hard again. She was able to suck me hard and we had a great 2nd round. I can still feel her long finger nails in my ass cheeks. It was like she was using some spurs on my ass to keep me riding hard and ride hard I did! We had about 4 great hours of sex, lots of DFK, sucking and f***ing. Not bad for a first time meeting. Her damn phone kept going off after 11 PM, it was her roommate just checking to make sure she was ok. She finally answered the call and said while she had considered staying for the night (yea!) she felt she needed to leave since she had morning classes and her roommate was worried. I told her that was fine and if she wanted she could come the next night and stay if she chose to. We called her a cab and I walked her down, gave her 50 grivna for fare, a great big hug and kiss, little pat on the ass, grabbed those luscious cheeks and waved goodnight. It was a great first 'date' and one I hoped to repeat. Two great lays in my new place. I considered calling it a night, but it was only 12. 30 so I decided to clean up and head to Avalon where I had heard from a driver it might be ladies night. What happened next is worth a separate report, a night to remember for many a mongerers night!
Hunter
HunterDave
10-12-10, 03:45
When I arrived at Avalon the place was pretty busy and there were quite a few women on the dance floor and in and around the booths. I parked myself at the bar with a drink and scoped the terrain. I did see several hotties and struck up conversations with a few. I thought I would pull one of them and get ready to head back to my place. I did meet up with a former RP hottie. I knew who she was, but I acted like I thought she was just there for some dancing and company. I asked her what she did and she said she likes to just 'relax. ' I said oh, and what does that mean and 'cost'. She said $200 (nice to know that without RP the starting offer is $200 instead of the old RP starting price of $300. I told her that $200 was way too much with all this nice talent present and that I can offer $100. She said not enough. After some more small talk she eventually moved to $150, but I did not move off my $100 offer. So I moved down the bar.
What happened next was unbelievable. Hell I find it hard to believe. It was like Mr. Toads Wild Ride at Disneyworld! A ride that never stops, and one that I did not want to see end!
There was something out on the dance floor while I was talking with the former RP hottie, but I was partially blocked by several other guys. There was this hot little blonde shaking her booty around the dance floor and from my vantage point she was captivating all the men on and around the dance floor. This girl could really dance!. After I left the former RP hottie I looked down the bar and spotted a blonde I had met from a previous trip. I moved down to say Hi and to get a great big hug from her. She looked great (pics to follow) and she told me she was with a friend. While we sat there and talked her friend showed up and to my pleasant surprise it was the hot blonde dancer. This girl was the hottest thing in Avalon bar none. Hell one of the hottest things I had seen in person in all my trips. She could easily be a model, maybe even a super model. It was nice to just be around these hotties and to wish for the best ending. When this hot blonde moved thru the crowd all the guys literally parted to let her pass and to stare at this little hottie, breathtaking to say the least! First negative, she did not speak much English, but seemed to understand a bit more. I decided to work thru it, we talked abit and lots of dancing. The girls loved to have their pictures taken on the floor (I will post soon). These 2 hotties had everyone on the floor stopping just to stare and gawk. And I got to dance and bump with both of them. In between we had several shots of tequila with chasers. I knew I was headed for a crazy night. When the girls went to the powder room the former RP hottie blonde moved in and offered to leave for $100, not even tempted I passed. And then another former RP hottie brunette came by hoping to offer her services. I passed on her as well hoping that my time with the two hot blondes might be more memorable. After a few hours of dancing at Avalon, they suggested we head to Vodka Bar for some karaoke.
The blonde I met in a previous trip told me that her friend (the hotter of the 2 with model looks) liked me and wanted to hang around with me and might want to stay with me. I did have some warning signs and bells go off with this (sounded hard to fathom in just a few hours with them both), but I think the little head was overriding the big head. Since I had had such a good time with the afternoon blonde and 19 year old earlier in the night, plus I had never seen Vodka Bar, I decided to pass on the former RP hotties and see where things with the 2 hot blondes would lead me. We cabbed to Vodka Bar and I am not shitting you, we cut thru the crowd like butter. I had a blonde on each side of me and we walked right thru the entrance. A great entry and sure made you feel like one was on the "A" list.
Hunter Dave to Base Camp. I am beginning my ascent!
Vodka Bar was packed with a tremendous amount of talent for a Wednesday night! I would match the hotties I saw that night with any other night in any other club that I have seen in Kiev. Great eye candy for any hungry mongerer! It was like being Elmer Fudd hunting during (r)wabbit season. You couldn't miss no matter where you pointed your gun. We went up to the karaoke bar/room but it was packed and were told it would be awhile before we could hang there, so we went back down to the main floor and just enjoyed dancing with the many others. Again, very enjoyable 'eye candy" and some great bumping and grinding with many a hottie. It seems you can have even more fun with all the other women, when they see you with the hotties hanging around with you, they seem to be even more friendly to you. I will post a few of the other hotties from that night. Having these 2 blonde hotties dancing around and watching the men around them literally stop to watch them was almost worth the time with these two (yea right!). I can still see those asses in those tight jeans in my mindseye now. Totally mesmerizing! We ordered a bottle of vodka and 6 Red Bulls to keep us occupied and keep the liquor flowing to keep these hotties in the right mood.
We finally made it to the karaoke bar. It was still packed with a small private party with some very hot women. Some mongerers might see a room with several hotties. I see an 'ass farm of hotties, ' waiting for attention and waiting to be separated from the herd. Too bad I had my 2 hands full with the hot blondes. We had a great time singing some songs, neither of them could carry a tune, but I did enjoy seeing them practicing those jaw muscles! We headed back to the main floor, and by this time the hotter (model) blonde was putting her arm around me and hugging, and snuggling up to me. What a hottie! I know all the other guys around us were wondering what the hell I had over them. And I just smiled and enjoyed the company. I knew I was very fortunate, I didn't want to rub their faces in it, I just wanted them to know where mine was hoping to be and was expected to be later than night. Between those nice tight fitting jeans! From what I could see she had a nice ripe little peach of an ass, waiting to be touched, tasted and HAD!
I kept taking fotos and they kept posing. I must have taken more than 70 fotos of these and other hotties. While I thought I might have a shot at a twin killing, and I was prepared for the task, the tall one told me that the hotter blonde wanted to be alone with me. I just smiled, but the taller hottie told me that we would all be together for a threesome on Friday night? Once I knew the hottest one wanted to be alone, we decided to leave, caught a cab and headed to my place.
Hunter Dave to Base Camp, I can see the Summit. And it is spectacular!
She was all over me in the cab, very nice! When we got back to my place this hottie was full of energy. I turned on the Music TV channel and she proceeded to give me a sensual striptease all over the apartment. We danced closely with each other and I got to chase this one all around. She played a hot little game of chase, her dancing sensually even behind the floor length curtains and everytime I caught her I got to take another piece of clothing off of her. Crazy and hot was the price of this ride! Like I said Mr. Toad's wild ride!
She was a very good DFKer! All that starting and stopping was not doing any good to my transmission. But the chase was a hell of a lot of fun. Unwrapping this hottie was pure pleasure. She had a very nice little B rack, very perky! I slowly worked those form fitting jeans off that fine body and proceeded to kiss and suck every inch of that hot body! She wanted to have sex on several pieces of furniture but really loved laying on the leather couch arm with us in missionary. She gave a very nice BBBJ and just loved doggie and when I pinned her to the mattress from behind. Her energy was boundless so I let her ride me cowgirl while I just sat back and enjoyed her ride. She was riding me hard like a mustang and proceeded to try to drain me of all my bodily fluids. We rested after a great 1st round. I convinced her to give me a nice sensual massage to get me hard again. Lying next to this blonde hottie who is trying to get you hard a second time was not too difficult, but I told her she needed to try to spur me on and she worked hard at it. This girl was like the Energizer bunny, she loved to f*** like a rabbit. She gave me another great BBBJ and we had a very nice 2nd round. She was a joy in the sack. This girl knew what to do with morning wood. Clearly it would not go wasted. This girl was packing heat. Any hotter she would have burned my pubes.! We showered together and she left just before noon. I gave her some cab fare, a few hundred grivna ('lunch money') to buy something nice for herself. I walked her to a cab, and gave her a nice farewell kiss. What a night! I was dead tired and crashed hard for several hours.
Hunter
HunterDave
10-12-10, 03:53
After the past 24 hours I needed some heavy rest. Got a few hours of sleep, but my phone, non-UA, kept ringing. Turned out there was an emergency back home and I would need to cut my trip by a day or two. It was too late to make it out that day so I called and decided to rebook my flights to the next day rather than chance a Saturday departure and not getting back when I needed to return home.
Still being tired from the night before and with this being my last night I decided to SMS a few of the ladies and see if I could maximize my time with a few hotties. I knew tonight was not going to be my 3-some with the 2 blondes from last night (we had that planned that for Friday night). I immediately heard from a 19 year old blonde, 166 cm, nice A+ cups, named Angella (from a previous trip), a college student, who had been hoping to see me earlier that week, but she said she was having her 'red days' or as I would say flying a Baker Flag, down for scheduled monthly maintenance. Angella said she was raring to go and that she could be at my place by 17. 00.
She has this long blonde hair, but keeps it in a bun most of the time, except when we are in bed. I just love to have that long blonde hair all over me. Plus it is great in doggie if you like to gently pull on it like reins while you imagine you are 'Bronco Billy' riding a wild bronc! This little hottie loves to practice her BBBJ skills. When I first met her I worked to get her to swallow all of me but she kept gagging. We kept working and working and finally she could swallow without gagging. We worked long and hard on this again but she was better this time and only partially gagged the first time. She kept at it and clearly learned from our practice to where she gave a very good BBBJ. She gives a decent massage, but I keep her practicing, plus I just enjoy massages. Now this hottie is very snug and very tight and loves missionary and doggie where I can get deep penetration. This is a girl that will do everything I ask her and definitely wants to learn more things in the sack. She said she wanted to spend the night, but the tall 19 year old from the night before has SMS'd me and said she wanted to see me again since I was leaving early. So after 2 rounds I told my little blonde that I needed to get some rest before I left early in the AM and that she would have to leave. We showered together, she worked to get me hard with a BBBJ, she worked hard to get me off and we cleaned up. I gave her some cab fare and some "lunch money, ' walked her to her cab, big hug and kiss and grabbed that nice little tight ass one last time till I return and waved goodbye.
My auburn haired 19 year old showed just after midnight. I wasn't sure if she planned to stay the night but was prepared if she so desired. If not, Plan B was to hit Avalon or Shooters. She was smoking hot in some long heels, tiny little skirt and smelled great. We attacked each other in the elevator up to the 11th floor and did not pass go when we entered the apartment. We immediately proceeded to the bed where I got to slowly undress this hottie. This girl was so horny and hot! She was a real moaner and clearly enjoyed the foreplay (as did I). I kept things nice and slow worked to get her hotter and hotter. She gives a great BBBJ, and loves to swallow all of me. I love sex with this one because she makes all the right noises to spur you on. She expresses her passion violently and loves to get her long fingernails embedded in my back and ass. This one truly appreciates a good deep ride! She shows it and told me that her favorite position is me riding and pinning her to the mattress from behind. Deep penetration is her favorite. She gives a mean massage and loves to slowly run her fingers lightly over my body. She works my cock gently to excite me and get me rock hard. We had two great rounds and she then told me that she wanted to stay the night. My little head took charge and said 'a bird in hand, was better than an unknown Avalon bush' so I said ok. We both got some shuteye, in between a few nice long sessions to include my 'morning wood. ' This girl was a true rider. If she could, I think she would wear me down to a few vertebrae and a pool of spinal fluid. Glad I was using the Gen-V. She finished my morning wood off, showered and left about 9 AM, in time for me to clean up, pack and depart for the airport.
This was a great trip and I will write up a final report on things a mongerer should consider when visiting Paradise!
Hunter
I guess strange a thing happen while I contact this lady from network site.
I don't know how can I post her photo. I said to her you are too sexy and she send me this back with a phone number. Read it and tell me if you think is true
Greetings, meeting with me costs 100 dollars, in sex I accept all restrictions is not present! Communication with me only through work, to that-that I married + you will ask to phone of doctor Krysko M. Ale. I the ophthalmologist! Only so.come on reception is even better and all we will solve, medical-small town, the Center of surgery of the eye, the second floor. Branch! At a meeting all we will solve and we will agree! Got that?
Funny that ziggy mentions here that he goes to Amman, jordan to meet UA girls. My first try with a UA born Israeli girl was in a Brothel in Tel Aviv.
And it was there for another first for me with a Moroccan israeli girl.
I know what I would prefer.Well, to be fair I don't go to Amman to meet UA girls, that just happened by accident. And apart from a very cute, almost no English 4am encounter with a UA girl who pulled the local cigarettet out of my mouth, tossed it on the floor and replaced it with a duty free one, I had really no interactions.
I go to Jordan for fun. I buy gifts, I buy groceries (Israelis don't dig on Mt Dew and Cheeseburgers as much as Arabs and Westerners do) and go back to Israel with my booty.
I was agreeing with you, I think his ideas of picking up women in Muslim countries is absolutely terrible. So he had a good run or witnessed one, that's just like, his opinion man.
Dear Mongers,
I am heading to Kiev for the 3rd time in this year, I have visited numerous places like Brazil and Thailand, but my new favorite is Kiev.
Through Mamba I have contact to about 20 beauties all between 18 and 29. Most of them look like killers! I have my Mamba experience and I think I have prepared myself well this time.
Further to that, I am in contact with 2 freebies through Skype. We know each other from previous visits to Kiev and have established some kind of a relation. And then there is always, Avalon and Shooters for fast action.
I haven't been to other places such as Rio and other places you mention here. Sure I will try some of those.
Thanks Hunter Dave for your reports, they inspire me and I start to view the mongers life from a different perspective due to you! As much beautifull pussy in less time and even more less money. I used to pay much much more then I do now and the game is still exciting. It gets boring when you get laid every night because you had the right sum in your wallet.
Report will follow!
I will be in Kiev 21-25/10/2010
Regards,
Easyease
Well, to be fair I don't go to Amman to meet UA girls, that just happened by accident. And apart from a very cute, almost no English 4am encounter with a UA girl who pulled the local cigarettet out of my mouth, tossed it on the floor and replaced it with a duty free one, I had really no interactions.
I go to Jordan for fun. I buy gifts, I buy groceries (Israelis don't dig on Mt Dew and Cheeseburgers as much as Arabs and Westerners do) and go back to Israel with my booty.
I was agreeing with you, I think his ideas of picking up women in Muslim countries is absolutely terrible. So he had a good run or witnessed one, that's just like, his opinion man.I went down memory lane this morning, and it clicked, infact the first woman from Ukraine that I met was Golda Mabovitch.
I was with a group on a School educational holiday to Israel in the late seventies, when we met israel's first woman ex prime minister, known by her married name, Golda Meir.
She was called the(Iron Lady). We thought OMG, she is an ugly Russian Woman.. I think she was also called (The only man in the Government), when she was a minister, but not for her Looks.
There is a monument as a tribute to her memory in the street in Kiev, where she was born, 5 Basiyba st.
Kiev's Daughter, she is called.
I visited the place + I did the caves in Kiev. Culture vulturing during the day & mongering at Night.
DJ FourMoney
10-12-10, 21:48
Some of those scammers are very skilled. You get caught either when you are a newbie, or when your are over-confident and you let your guard go down. You seem to think that you are less stupid than those desperate for pussy? Be careful my friend.
Was in Kiev last week and ended up spending my week with a freebie (got lucky!). But even when you're with a freebie, you wonder where she's taking you, so I ended up selecting the restaurants and everything. And I'm not even sure if I would trust her fully next time. We'll see.
Don't get me wrong, it can happen anytime, guard up or down. I'm just saying and you have the key, you're in-control. As I understand its still fairly easy to find freebies in this date and age. 18-24 much harder than 25-35/40, everybody wants the 18-24. There's plenty to choose from and there are not enough Western Men to even talk to all the available women in that age range its just not humanly possible.
Everybody makes mistakes, just some can be easily avoided.
Max. USD300, say for 3-4 hours (at least).Which is not exactly cheap.
Thanks Inso
Well, to be fair I don't go to Amman to meet UA girls, that just happened by accident. And apart from a very cute, almost no English 4am encounter with a UA girl who pulled the local cigarettet out of my mouth, tossed it on the floor and replaced it with a duty free one, I had really no interactions.
I go to Jordan for fun. I buy gifts, I buy groceries (Israelis don't dig on Mt Dew and Cheeseburgers as much as Arabs and Westerners do) and go back to Israel with my booty.
I was agreeing with you, I think his ideas of picking up women in Muslim countries is absolutely terrible. So he had a good run or witnessed one, that's just like, his opinion man.Hate giving misleading directions.
Golda Meir's street where she was born is 5 Baseyna, Kiev
It is no secret I have given up on hunting hot Ukrainian girls for a number of years (I had a great time in early 2000, but that is a "blast from the past").
I do not want to get into arguments with fellow members of this forum, but I urge new comers to the Ukraine to observe and draw their own conclusions. Observe how all the hot girls are with rich Ukrainian or Russian men and how westerners hang around average or below average girls, with probably a rare exceptions (which I have yet to observe myself).
Having said this, I suggest the same approach I have been taking for the past 2 years. My last successful trip to Morocco proves my point.
1. Take a holiday to places where Russian and Ukrainian girls travel to. Mainly Turkey and Egypt.
2. The girls are on holidays, looking for fun, so it is easy to score. And there are hundreds of girls everywhere you look. Even in Morocco, there were plenty of Russian girls to chose from, but I had my hand full with Moroccans, so I could not bother. But a friend of mine picked up a couple of hot Russians (yes, Nordic blondes - no pun intended).
3. It is legitimate there for westerners to "be". No girl is going to ask you "why are you here for?" I must have hear this question a zillion time in Yalta "why are you here? Afterall beaches in Western Europe are a lot nicer and the service is a lot better!"
Obviously, the girls are not going to look at you as a "sex tourist" but as someone who is on a legitimate holiday, the same holiday that they themselves the girls chose to take.
4. If you want P4P, and I doubt why you would want to pay a pro when there are hundreds of beauties/freebies to choose from, you will find plenty of pros in nightclubs (Urghada, Sharm El Sheikh, Antalya, Bodrum, Marmaris ...) for a fraction of the price who will get at RP or similar places in Kiev.
Unless you are in the Ukraine on a legitimate business, I think it is foolish and self-delusionary, in this age and time, to travel to the Ukraine and other former Soviet Union countries, to hunt beautiful women.
It may work out for you if you want average girls. If you want hot gorgeous girls, I wish you best luck.
Very interesting. Thanks for the input Markharding. I will certainly try it.
For the moment I have scored so many positive contacts in Kiev and other towns that I am overwhelmed. Life is good :).
Regards.
B.B.
It is no secret I have given up on hunting hot Ukrainian girls for a number of years (I had a great time in early 2000, but that is a "blast from the past").
I do not want to get into arguments with fellow members of this forum, but I urge new comers to the Ukraine to observe and draw their own conclusions. Observe how all the hot girls are with rich Ukrainian or Russian men and how westerners hang around average or below average girls, with probably a rare exceptions (which I have yet to observe myself).
Having said this, I suggest the same approach I have been taking for the past 2 years. My last successful trip to Morocco proves my point.
1. Take a holiday to places where Russian and Ukrainian girls travel to. Mainly Turkey and Egypt.
2. The girls are on holidays, looking for fun, so it is easy to score. And there are hundreds of girls everywhere you look. Even in Morocco, there were plenty of Russian girls to chose from, but I had my hand full with Moroccans, so I could not bother. But a friend of mine picked up a couple of hot Russians (yes, Nordic blondes - no pun intended).
3. It is legitimate there for westerners to "be". No girl is going to ask you "why are you here for?" I must have hear this question a zillion time in Yalta "why are you here? Afterall beaches in Western Europe are a lot nicer and the service is a lot better!"
Obviously, the girls are not going to look at you as a "sex tourist" but as someone who is on a legitimate holiday, the same holiday that they themselves the girls chose to take.
4. If you want P4P, and I doubt why you would want to pay a pro when there are hundreds of beauties/freebies to choose from, you will find plenty of pros in nightclubs (Urghada, Sharm El Sheikh, Antalya, Bodrum, Marmaris ...) for a fraction of the price who will get at RP or similar places in Kiev.
Unless you are in the Ukraine on a legitimate business, I think it is foolish and self-delusionary, in this age and time, to travel to the Ukraine and other former Soviet Union countries, to hunt beautiful women.
It may work out for you if you want average girls. If you want hot gorgeous girls, I wish you best luck.First of all anything that downs the hunting spirit of this forum is not supportive to its members.
Steve Naive
10-13-10, 08:32
First of all anything that downs the hunting spirit of this forum is not supportive to its members.I disagree. A recent posting on the Moscow thread suggested that it is no longer the mongering destination it was circa 2003-2005, and I found that both true (available, but MUCH more expensive) and useful. I appreciate a realistic opinion by which one might adjust one's expectations, or which would help in choosing destinations or time allocation for the hunt.
Steve Naive
10-13-10, 08:58
This is not about the hobby, but may be relevant if you visit. Common in Kiev, it has been reported elsewhere, too. The "two wallet" variant was attempted on me and a colleague yesterday. I fell for picking up the wallet to return it, but we managed to evade problems anyway. If you see this, just walk on by, or if you must, point it out, but don't touch it.
A commonly reported scam in Kyiv is the “Wallet Scam,” which involves a person dropping a wallet or a packet of money near you. After you pick up the wallet and attempt to give it back to the individual who “dropped” it, the thief then claims that the wallet is missing money and accuses you of stealing it. The thief either threatens to call the police if you don’t pay or asks you to show your wallet to the thief to ensure that you did not take any money. When you show your wallet, the thief grabs your money and flees.
A very common variant involves a second person who claims to be a police officer and who approaches you after your pick up the wallet. The second person also asks to see the wallet, grabbing the money and fleeing or, through sleight-of-hand, stealing the victim’s money. Many variants exist – two wallets; three or more thieves, etc. All variants involve the victim picking up something and returning it to the person who dropped it.An obvious tip-off that it was a scam and not an accident: he was wearing earbuds to look distracted, yet immediately addressed us in English instead of Ukrainian to thank us, suggesting that he was listening to us rather than his earbuds.
Insomniaque
10-13-10, 09:02
Which is not exactly cheap.Indeed. This is what you must be prepared to pay if you choose the old-school way (to pick up your girl in a club or a bar); for cheaper options you'll have to look at escorts and/or dating sites.
Although this might prove to be cost-effective if you are a long-distance runner.
Always easier to negotiate a longer meeting than a lower price.
Steve Naive
10-13-10, 09:05
I guess strange a thing happen while I contact this lady from network site... Read it and tell me if you think is trueIf you are suspicious, try someone else. You have more information, and your own opinion of the situation counts more than ours. My opinion: her suggestion is too complicated, and there are many others that are simpler to meet.
Steve Naive
10-13-10, 09:35
Hunter mate, please, your living in a fantasy world, I see you have most of the guys convinced on here with your little stories, your stuff reads like a novel my friend, pure fiction, total fabrication, I've commented on here before on your posts when you first came on the Kiev thread, my handle was diceman then, come on, give it a rest will you, why do you persist with this? You know its fabrication.Diceman,
Why insult this guy and discourage him from reporting? Let the man post what he will and each reader can decide whether it is useful or not. At least his reports give names of places, which is useful to me as a Kiev newbie. Why not lead with good examples instead?
You appear to be picking a fight, and that is not useful to me.
Markharding -
Please post your experiences and advice on the Egypt thread, since the kinds of tips you could contribute are in high demand!
Cheers,
CG
1. Take a holiday to places where Russian and Ukrainian girls travel to. Mainly Turkey and Egypt.
4. If you want P4P, and I doubt why you would want to pay a pro when there are hundreds of beauties/freebies to choose from, you will find plenty of pros in nightclubs (Urghada, Sharm El Sheikh, Antalya, Bodrum, Marmaris ...) for a fraction of the price who will get at RP or similar places in Kiev.
Hunter mate, please, your living in a fantasy world, I see you have most of the guys convinced on here with your little stories, your stuff reads like a novel my friend, pure fiction, total fabrication, I've commented on here before on your posts when you first came on the Kiev thread, my handle was diceman then, come on, give it a rest will you, why do you persist with this? You know its fabrication.Diceman,
You did 7 Lovely girls over 2 hours in London recently, and it only cost you £140 = US$217. This is not fantasy, because I have been there before & I am going there again next week.
So, Kiev should be even easier, right?
That's why you & I and others here, keep going back.
By the way the 7 girls in the party must have got your knickers in the twist. Because I never receieved your pm on the other site.
Let Dave do the Hunting& we get the info.
What's wrong with that?
Diceman,
Why insult this guy and discourage him from reporting? Let the man post what he will and each reader can decide whether it is useful or not. At least his reports give names of places, which is useful to me as a Kiev newbie. Why not lead with good examples instead?
You appear to be picking a fight, and that is not useful to me.Steve, I have got to agree with Dice. I have been here a very long time. It's been a great ride and I expect to continue for a lot longer.
However, Hunter's reports just do not ring entirely true to me. I have never had a 100% success rate as he seems to claim.
Also, just think of all the girls you had. Have you had 100% perfect successes? I haven't, you no doubt have not, and what Hunter writes may well be partly or mostly true but he does, in my mind, exaggerate his success to one degree or another. No failures, no disappointments, no disasters (small or large) as many others have written about just strains credulity to the extreme.
I wish he would write the unvarnished truth, warts and all, as many of us do. He would then actually be believable. For now, I agree with Diceman, and how!
Unless you are in the Ukraine on a legitimate business, I think it is foolish and self-delusionary, in this age and time, to travel to the Ukraine and other former Soviet Union countries, to hunt beautiful women.
It may work out for you if you want average girls. If you want hot gorgeous girls, I wish you best luck.Good, Mark, very good. The more your rage, fueled by your losses and insecurity, the better it is for the rest of us. Maybe fewer guys will come here, making it all the easier for the rest of us.
Keep at it, I like it.
Insomniaque
10-13-10, 17:33
Good, Mark, very good. The more your rage, fueled by your losses and insecurity, the better it is for the rest of us. Maybe fewer guys will come here, making it all the easier for the rest of us.
Keep at it, I like it.Don't you understand that Mark is indeed doing his best to discourage newcomers, so that he will keep the hot chicks for himself?
Yet it's not the spirit. We mongers are not here to fuck each other, are we.
Diceman,
You did 7 Lovely girls over 2 hours in London recently, and it only cost you £140 = US$217. This is not fantasy, because I have been there before & I am going there again next week.
So, Kiev should be even easier, right?
That's why you & I and others here, keep going back.
By the way the 7 girls in the party must have got your knickers in the twist. Because I never receieved your pm on the other site.
Let Dave do the Hunting& we get the info.
What's wrong with that?Diceman,
My friend, not only that, the timing of your post is Wrong.
Hunter Dave did post here that he receieved some Sad News when he was in Kiev, yet this didn't stop him from updating us onhis latest in Kiev.
I mean, you could have been more considerate?
Sorry, not lecturing you, but just my opinion.
Steve Naive
10-13-10, 23:29
Steve, I have got to agree with Dice...Hunter's reports just do not ring entirely true to me.I never said Hunter's reports were true. I said that parts of them were useful (like names of clubs), and that there is no value in discouraging him or any other poster from writing reports. Each one of us reads reports and decides whether we can use it or not; in truth, most are not... like this discussion.
If not useful, why not just let it go? Do we really need insults and attempts to discourage men from reporting? If you don't believe a report, you are welcome to post a note with your doubts, especially if you can correct incorrect information, but how about leaving out the insults?
And SO WHAT if he doesn't report his failures? I don't report my failures when they are not informative. You really want to hear about the nights I was horny but failed to find a lady? I doubt it. And it happens a lot! I would have to start my own thread, and it would be real dull, for example:
Tuesday night in Kiev
I was real horny, but couldn't get laid. So I put on some porn and spanked the monkey instead. That was about 11pm at the Palace Hotel, and there was nobody else around.Too much information?
I would personally appreciate truthful reports. If not truthful, they can mislead us.
What struck me the most about the Hunter's reports was that at one point, I believe on the day 6, he poped 5 times within 24 hours? Even with vitamin V, is it possible? It has never happened to me, but if you are with 3 gorgeous girls, maybe it is possible. Have I been misled?
HunterDave
10-14-10, 05:35
Hunter mate, please, your living in a fantasy world, I see you have most of the guys convinced on here with your little stories, your stuff reads like a novel my friend, pure fiction, total fabrication, I've commented on here before on your posts when you first came on the Kiev thread, my handle was diceman then, come on, give it a rest will you, why do you persist with this? You know its fabrication.How14,
Guess you finally paid your $19.95 to Jackson. Too bad you have been out of touch for so long. I look forward to a meaningful post from you some day. If my posts bother you so much I would recommend you just IGNORE them. But hell, if your little comment and posts help you gain senior status to each his own.
I go to Kiev because the talent, if worked properly can be had. I do not post a trip in secret. I always let others on this site know when I will be in Kiev and offer to any and all to meet if they so choose. And to even go mongering together if they desire. Many have taken me up on my offer. Sure they may not be one of the 'bluebloods' on this site, but I have had a great time with each and everyone.
I have even had time to have a few drinks with Cruiser (who clearly enjoys mongering solo) and several nights of drinking with Irish Lad and his lovely girlfriend. If this is my fantasyland then leave me in that briar patch. If I could, I would spend a hell of a lot more time in that paradise. Why do you think guys like The Knight, Mellowtrax and I continnue to visit Kiev? It sure as hell isn't for the weather it is for all the talent!
Now how about a meanigful post? Tell the mongerers on this site something they can use for their next trip. And post a few current, recent fotos so one might think you were iactually and Kiev.
Just move me into the Ignored folder and we will both be fine.
Hunter
HunterDave
10-14-10, 05:47
Steve, I have got to agree with Dice. I have been here a very long time. It's been a great ride and I expect to continue for a lot longer.
However, Hunter's reports just do not ring entirely true to me. I have never had a 100% success rate as he seems to claim.
Also, just think of all the girls you had. Have you had 100% perfect successes? I haven't, you no doubt have not, and what Hunter writes may well be partly or mostly true but he does, in my mind, exaggerate his success to one degree or another. No failures, no disappointments, no disasters (small or large) as many others have written about just strains credulity to the extreme.
I wish he would write the unvarnished truth, warts and all, as many of us do. He would then actually be believable. For now, I agree with Diceman, and how!Uke,
If you have read my posts I have talked about a few that have showed at my door and I had to pass on. Yes I do pass on my many successes. My trip in August only had one bad show, and I paid for their cab fare and said Adios. But prep prior to showing and finding a few hotties minimizes ones failures. My September trip had no failures, all successes. Some were Mamba preps and others were past friends/conquests. I will post my warts when they occur.
People may ***** and whine about some of my posts, but I can at least back my trips up with fotos. Take a look at who has been posting fotos in the Kiev photo gallery. It may as well be dead, save a few of us.
If you want to ever team up and monger together just let me know. I have offered this every trip I have made to Kiev. Like Howdie Dooty I recommend you just put me in your Ignore folder and let's agree to disagree.
Hunter
HunterDave
10-14-10, 05:55
I never said Hunter's reports were true. I said that parts of them were useful (like names of clubs), and that there is no value in discouraging him or any other poster from writing reports. Each one of us reads reports and decides whether we can use it or not; in truth, most are not... like this discussion.
If not useful, why not just let it go? Do we really need insults and attempts to discourage men from reporting? If you don't believe a report, you are welcome to post a note with your doubts, especially if you can correct incorrect information, but how about leaving out the insults?
And SO WHAT if he doesn't report his failures? I don't report my failures when they are not informative. You really want to hear about the nights I was horny but failed to find a lady? I doubt it. And it happens a lot! I would have to start my own thread, and it would be real dull, for example:Too much information?Whether my posts are believed or not really does not matter to me. I report to all in the event someone can learn from my travails. If my posts help one mongerer save some money on an apartment, a place to eat, a better deal on a p4p, an improved chance for a freebie then it will be worth it. Let's face it while there is much talent to be had, Kiev is a total mess and will be for many a decade. But to me it is paradise.
If you or any other mongerer wants to link up to party or chase some talent let me know.
Hunter
HunterDave
10-14-10, 06:43
I would personally appreciate truthful reports. If not truthful, they can mislead us.
What struck me the most about the Hunter's reports was that at one point, I believe on the day 6, he poped 5 times within 24 hours? Even with vitamin V, is it possible? It has never happened to me, but if you are with 3 gorgeous girls, maybe it is possible. Have I been misled?S,
It is doable but I did have to take another Gen-V tab in the early morning before I had my way with the hot Avalon Blonde. It made it easy to come to attention, but with that hot blonde dancing in my apartment and me chasing her around, coming to attention was not difficult. She had to work hard to get me hard a 2nd time with a great BBBJ.
Hunter
Ok friends, I think I need an ISG intervention. I have been here 2 weeks and just yesterday sent a girl home on the airplane that I wasted about 12 days on. A few days to not call her back to make her go through my friends to become interested. A night out in Podol with her cousin (who is a good contact, she's a VIP on those boats so will be cool to take out to Avalon since she is living here locally, so not a total loss) a sushi dinner and a hasty retreat or two after tea later and she's returned to Canada.
Good riddance. Her body was slammin but her face sucked and we weren't goin anywhere.
So I guess my problem I need help with is take out. I have always gone to salons in Tel Aviv or St Peter and like to do it that way. Having all the relevent info from PM's and mamba pro's (I have a hard time finding any semi's or freebies there, very little return) I can surely order a cost effective lady out to my apartment....
My only problem is I'm chicken. I know to send them back with 50 UAH if their pictures were p'shopped too hard. I use tineye, I know what ot do but I'm scared to have some weird woman show up in front of my apartment. She knows where I live and I have valuables here. I guess I just need someone to talk me through it. I don't feel that there are any good salons here so I'm going to have to get over my feer. I swear once I get laid (there is no rush I'm here to stay) picking up freebies should be easier since the smell of desperation will have been, even if temporarily, cleansed from my person.
Steve Naive
10-14-10, 09:05
This is my first visit to Kiev, and I have been reading the forum to learn the ropes. I have a lot of mongering experience, mainly Asia and Europe, and have posted many reports over the years. My sense from reading this thread was that it was going to be a lot better than Moscow here (it has gotten rather expensive in Moscow), but not anywhere near as great as Bangkok, where I am a regular and have gotten very spoiled by quality/price.
Many thanks to those who have posted useful information.
Preparation
I read the forum back a few months to get a sense of the options. I'm not big on strip clubs, and the preferred famous place is closed, so mamba.ru seemed the way to go for me. I sent some messages to some of the ladies there.
I don't speak Russian, mainly because this is only my third short trip to a Russian-speaking country (I DO speak some Thai now), and this is a handicap when chatting up local girls, both in person and on mamba. Anyway, with 10+ randomly picked ladies, I got no useful results. I was not surprised, because others have reported similar results.
I went out to get a local phone chip for 35 UAH to make contact easy (I'm in a hotel and don't give out my name or room number). You'll find SIMs around city center, especially around Metro stations. 35 UAH paid for the chip and 50 minutes or 100 messages, but I guess there is some promotion, because I got some bonus minutes and my balance has not decreased from new, even after a few calls.
There was a report not so long ago where a guy had posted a few links to specific ladies whom he had found and hooked up with, including reasonable descriptions of what he got. I read up on all of them.
Making a Choice
I chose one, Юля, and sent a message to her. Her ad said she was 21, though she seemed older. Then again, I'm used to Thai girls, who always seem younger than they are. But she is a smoker (unfortunately) and drinker, and that can make one look older. (Most Thai girls don't smoke, and many don't drink much, if at all.)
I went to her mamba page, which was in Russian, read what she had to say, and sent her a message. How did I read it? The Google Chrome browser automatically translates to English for me. I don't know if this is a standard feature or whether I installed some extension, because it has been awhile since I installed it. Auto translation sure helps. Now if they would just automatically translate my English into Russian. That will probably come before long.
First Contacts
Her English was adequate for mamba messages and the phone call. Her manner was friendly, not overly so.
Her page says she isn't going to just jump into bed with you, as if she's being a bit coy. But when I talked to her on the phone, the conversation moved smoothly to the price discussion. She did not suggest anything, wanted me to do that (maybe for legal reasons?). Knowing that she charged $100 for 2 hours before, I experimented with offering $80, to which she said that her price was $100.
Okay, now some of you can criticize me for paying too much and driving up prices. My goal is not to get rock-bottom prices; I am willing to pay a little more for a great experience, and loathe to pay slightly less for unknown quality. From reports I see that one can get girls on mamba for 600 UAH (about $75). So why does Юля charge more? First, she looks great. Second, she speaks some English.
Arrival
She arrived about 5 minutes later than we said, but I don't consider that "late".
Naturally, people's descriptions and experiences vary. Юля was not exactly like he described her - I didn't think she was petite, but again I'm partial to Asian girls. She sure wasn't a big girl like many of the Ukrainians I see around town (who are tall and strong looking, not fat at all). But she WAS the lady in the photos.
Pretty of face, while not incredible like many women I have seen around here, on face along I'd say about 7, but I grade harder than some. 7 means she is very pleasant to look at, quite a bit better than average. She was wearing a dress that did not call attention to her shape.
Warming Up over Drinks
We started with a drink in the lounge. She ordered a large cocktail in Russian and it took awhile for her to drink it. It was hard to talk, both because it was noisy, and because her English is only fair - enough to converse and make arrangements, but there's a lot she did not understand. I could understand her just fine.
I was wondering if she had ordered something expensive, since it was in Russian, but her was an average-price cocktail. Since it was taking awhile, I suggested she bring it to the room, paid the bill, and we did.
She wanted to smoke in the room. I told her she could not, because it was a non-smoking room. She said, c'mon, the fan will take care of it. I had to be firm, and told her I had breathing problems with smoke. Finally she agreed not to smoke in the room.
In the room, she wanted to talk a bit, and I did not rush that part. Eventually I asked her to sit next to me on the bed. She said, do you have a present for me? I smiled, took out $100 in crisp Jacksons, and put them on the bed table under a glass to hold them down. She did not touch them until we were finished - nice touch, a good compromise compared to paying in advance vs paying after.
Fun
While I was getting the cash, she pulled her dress off. I was surprised when I turned around again. VERY nice body - maybe 8.5 - and underwear that showed it well. At this point she put her hands on me, we embraced, and the fun began.
While I like to kiss, and she allowed some of it, she had smoked two cigarettes in the lounge and I was not interested in licking out the ashtray. She started with some BBBJ. She allowed me to touch her (my hands and nails were very clean) everywhere. I did some DATY on her, which she clearly liked, though I did not manage to bring her off.
We went through a couple of positions. She made sounds suggesting her enjoyment, and they sounded natural to me. During cowgirl, she used her hands to bring herself off - nice. All was relaxed and unhurried, and after awhile I had my pop.
Departure
At this point we were 90 minutes into our visit, if you include lounge time, and we had agreed to two hours. She rested in my arms for a few minutes, then went to shower, and came back with her underwear back on. I did not ask for a second round (didn't need it). By the time her taxi came, it was definitely 2 hours, though not 2 hours of sex; still, I am not complaining, because I had fun.
She asked for 100 UAH for the taxi.
Evaluation
Bottom line: unrushed, friendly, quality service from a girl who was at least 7 in face, 8 in body, and 8 in service. I have had better girls only rarely. Not total GFE, but definitely not mechanical. She seems to enjoy her work; she seemed to need the sexual satisfaction.
Money: 115 UAH for her lobby drink, $100 for 2 hours, 100 UAH for taxi home (probably did not cost her that much, so call it a tip), 35 UAH for a phone chip to call her, but I'll be using that for other dates.
I am totally satisfied with the quality and price.
Kiev seems promising. Cost of living is much higher than Bangkok, girls about 50% more expensive and less easy to find, but I think with a little work it's easy enough to have a good time with nice girls at a reasonable price.
Yeah suppose so, but its just the way he puts it across, its like reading a novel, yeah the marmalade thing was cool, took to it like a duck to water, might go back next Tuesday when I'm back from Kiev, when you going? Yes I agree, let "the hunter" do the hunting.You say its like reading a Novel., but you are reading it for free.
I mean you are not paying for it, are you?
Hunter Dave, does exist. Other mongerers to Kiev have actually met him.
He has offered on many occasions to meet up with other visitors to Kiev. So he is not a Virtual mongerer to Kiev, like other fantasists here. And there were many useful info in his reports, like apartments, prices, taxi drivers, restaurants, girls.
How many times he pops in the sack with a girl or girls in 24 hours, no one will ever be able to verify it. Nor does it interest me in the Least.
I mean you went with the 7 girls in the LMP party. Did you pop with each & every one of them during the 2hours you were there?
If you did. I salute you & please let me know what were you on, as I need some for the party next week.
I am going to try the MILFS night. I havn't been with a girl over 30 for a long time.
In the meantime have a nice time in Kiev & don't forget to stick a report here.
Regards
Me and You
10-14-10, 18:16
S,
It is doable but I did have to take another Gen-V tab in the early morning before I had my way with the hot Avalon Blonde. It made it easy to come to attention, but with that hot blonde dancing in my apartment and me chasing her around, coming to attention was not difficult. She had to work hard to get me hard a 2nd time with a great BBBJ.
HunterHunter Dave
Thanks for your great and useful reports. About true or not true reports I think it is a question of Luck and Talent at the same time. If someone doesn't succeed doesn't mean that all the other guys are the same. May be someone is more talented and more experienced especially in the ukrainian girl mentality plus other facts like looks, language and knowing how to play the game. In my few visits to Kiev I had some sucesses and failures but every time I had more successes as I have more experience in the langauge and in the game playing. And if I go more and more I will have more sucesses I hope as Hunter Dave do.
This is simply my point of view. Go on Hunter Dave and keep reporting.
Hunter
Here's the trouble I have with your writing. Those of us who have been here for a long time or have visited with great frequency know that the best laid plans oftentimes go wrong for so many reasons well beyond our control. These have been laid out in depth by many posters over the years. The ladies, if not picked up at the club, more often than not never arrive on time, even brothel girls just up the street from where you are. Traffic, as you know is horrible here and many of the girls live in outlying areas. From Svyatoshyn, from Obolon and even from Darnytsa, let alone the far suburbs girls would always prefer to be late than not be completely dressed up and made up to kill. It is the nature of the beast. Today it can take a long time to get from one area to another since there is almost always a long wait for a marshrutka to the metro and some metro lines require a transfer. That means more waiting.
Your logistics are just too smooth. It does not ring true to the experience of everyone else here, especially long timers. It is too perfect. With respect to experiences here, Murphy's Law applies, except in your case. Ladies show and leave on time, making way for the next one 5 minutes later. That which is too perfect just cannot be believed when it comes to life and sex in Kiev.
If you hold to your contention that this is all true, then I suggest you get a job as the head of logistics for NATO or the MOD. That would then be your perfect post. Let us know when you do, then I will believe all that you have written. Until then, I have the right to question your escapades and consider that some (not all) is either exaggeration or pure fiction.
Experience here counts for much as well when evaluating posts by experienced mongers or newbies. On the whole, for many, your reports are quite useful, just not for me.
My only problem is I'm chicken.You've got to be kidding? Two weeks here and not laid once????
The girls here can smell out and instantly detect fear, cowardice and weakness. Seems like you are all three mortal sins in the girl's eyes rolled into one.
You perhaps should think twice about remaining here. You'll just get eaten up and the small bits will just be spit out.
As for a visit to your home, just RTFF - it is all posted here, especially from the last few weeks with guys who have done it and they also had doubts. Start with that.
Once you do get an outcall, if you do, then let us know the results.
You've got to be kidding? Two weeks here and not laid once????
The girls here can smell out and instantly detect fear, cowardice and weakness. Seems like you are all three mortal sins in the girl's eyes rolled into one.
You perhaps should think twice about remaining here. You'll just get eaten up and the small bits will just be spit out.
As for a visit to your home, just RTFF - it is all posted here, especially from the last few weeks with guys who have done it and they also had doubts. Start with that.
Once you do get an outcall, if you do, then let us know the results.I have read the forum. I did my research for many months prior to coming here.
That has only contributed to my fear. The guy who got drugged and robbed, that shit freaked me out.. I don't care how rare.
I'm a salon mongerer, you can't get angry for me for that. I'm having to adjust. I'm not here just to get laid you know, the city has a bit more to offer than that. I'm here for work.
Gentleman Travel
10-14-10, 20:30
Eegads man! Am I correct in you saying that is $442.16900 U.S. dollars?? What in the hell. That sounds pricey.
I will be there weekend after next and want some decent tail for $50. I have done prep work though and have an apartment.
If $450 or $350 is too much for pussy (and it is) equally $50 is too little.
Even if you can nominally get a girl to agree to that. And if you can pull freebies, then maybe you can get $50 deals. It will still involve drinks, meals or shopping. So don't budget $50 per night and think you are done. Quadruple that, or more.
Sure there may be some guys on here to manage that sometimes, but if I understand it, you are a newbie to Ukraine and Russia. You will have to pay a premium for inexperience.
I tend to disagree. I am a full Russian newbie but here you can go and pay 2500 rubles ($80) and get an hour at a decent, reputable English salon. They have them all in one area.
I am worried when I arrive in Ukraine as to how to find the same. I guess my ideal scenario is $60 a half hour or less than $100 for an hour. Where oh where can a newbie with an apartment and a longterm stay in Kiev even begin to pull good women on the weekends without being drugged, dragged robbed pickpocketed or scammed.
I can certainly afford $300 but there is no way I'm paying that.
Ok friends, I think I need an ISG intervention. I have been here 2 weeks and just yesterday sent a girl home on the airplane that I wasted about 12 days on...
My only problem is I'm chicken. I know to send them back with 50 UAH if their pictures were p'shopped too hard. I use tineye, I know what ot do but I'm scared to have some weird woman show up in front of my apartment. She knows where I live and I have valuables here. I guess I just need someone to talk me through it. I don't feel that there are any good salons here so I'm going to have to get over my feer. I swear once I get laid (there is no rush I'm here to stay) picking up freebies should be easier since the smell of desperation will have been, even if temporarily, cleansed from my person.
OK, so are you ready to listen now?
I told you your $50 expectations were unrealistic and I told you how to find a salon (quality not assured).
Whatever your price sensitivity, spending two weeks in Kiev without getting laid is wasteful. Life is short, and dyevs' legs are long.
First, don't sweat having girls come to your apartment. They have better things to do then come back to haunt you.
Second, if you are in Kiev for a long time and have an apartment you are in a great position to get freebies, or at least a good sponsorship girl.
Third, how could you be so stupid as to waste your first two weeks on a girl from Canada? She is not needy like a local girl and was always going to leave anyway! Surely you are in a better position to get a local girlfriend.
I read your reports from St. Pitr and you had the same problem there, wasted days before a last minute rescue at some salon.
So just get on the scoreboard! Call up a pink profile on Mamba - there are hundreds (or thousands) of them in Kiev and they cannot all be fake. If that is too risky for you then call up GIA escorts - $140 for 1 hour or $200 for 2, and they even rent rooms out if you like. I know many guys here bad-mouth them, and I have never used that service myself, but everything I read about them suggests it could be a good solution for someone in your position - safe and somewhat reliable if somewhat over-priced - sort of a General Motors of mongering. Go to a hotel after 11:00 pm and pick up a lobby girl to take back to your apartment - sure that is a bad deal based on quality and price, but it is better than nothing!
It is not that difficult.
Second, if you are in Kiev for a long time and have an apartment you are in a great position to get freebies, or at least a good sponsorship girl.That is what I've been trying to do. I don't feel like going to club every night and waking up with a hangover however. I'm taking it easy here, in fact trying to get a bit healthier, not the opposite.
Third, how could you be so stupid as to waste your first two weeks on a girl from Canada? She is not needy like a local girl and was always going to leave anyway! Surely you are in a better position to get a local girlfriend.
.Hey, hindsight is 20/20. She was from here originally and was asian and she's who I met at the club and danced with. Things were going ok but fuck me if I didn't know it wouldn't pan out. Who cares, not a big deal.
I read your reports from St. Pitr and you had the same problem there, wasted days before a last minute rescue at some salon.No, I in fact had a totally different 'problem' there. I was working long hours and making some money (that I'm using here now) and didn't have the free time. What free time I did have was spent with business associates (most of them hot girls but I don't shit where I eat) and then when I did get away the fucking stupid brothel kept telling me they were closed even though they claim they are 24 hours. It was more me working + lazy *****s.
I told you your $50 expectations were unrealistic and I told you how to find a salon (quality not assured).Ok and that is also simply not true. There is at least a whole page of $50 girls on top models right now and at least 3 of them I'd bang but I don't think sorting by price is way to assure best service.
In a town like this with my setup, I can afford to be picky. And from RTFF I know about these salons you speak of, I don't dig the thousand mile, far off stare.
I just need to get over my phobia, that's all. In St Peter my boss stricly forbade bringing girls back he said it was dangerous, here he recommended it.
HunterDave
10-14-10, 22:58
Hunter
Here's the trouble I have with your writing. Those of us who have been here for a long time or have visited with great frequency know that the best laid plans oftentimes go wrong for so many reasons well beyond our control. These have been laid out in depth by many posters over the years. The ladies, if not picked up at the club, more often than not never arrive on time, even brothel girls just up the street from where you are. Traffic, as you know is horrible here and many of the girls live in outlying areas. From Svyatoshyn, from Obolon and even from Darnytsa, let alone the far suburbs girls would always prefer to be late than not be completely dressed up and made up to kill. It is the nature of the beast. Today it can take a long time to get from one area to another since there is almost always a long wait for a marshrutka to the metro and some metro lines require a transfer. That means more waiting.
Your logistics are just too smooth. It does not ring true to the experience of everyone else here, especially long timers. It is too perfect. With respect to experiences here, Murphy's Law applies, except in your case. Ladies show and leave on time, making way for the next one 5 minutes later. That which is too perfect just cannot be believed when it comes to life and sex in Kiev.
If you hold to your contention that this is all true, then I suggest you get a job as the head of logistics for NATO or the MOD. That would then be your perfect post. Let us know when you do, then I will believe all that you have written. Until then, I have the right to question your escapades and consider that some (not all) is either exaggeration or pure fiction.
Experience here counts for much as well when evaluating posts by experienced mongers or newbies. On the whole, for many, your reports are quite useful, just not for me.If you have read my posts, I have dicussed some late shows and rejections. To alleviate this problem of late shows I use a Plan A, B, see and D. I hope to see A, but if she is late (which I tell her that I have other plans [like a late business dinner] if she is going to be late then I am going to have to reschedule) then I shift to B, reshedule A, and move on to see and D.
If a mongerer does his homework and plans accordingly with multiple backup you can reduce the late/no shows. We need to be in control, not the hottie. I have rescheduled multiple women because they are late. I can accept a 20-30 minute late arrival if they are calling or SMSing me. If not then I move on. I never give my apartment #, just my address. Once they arrive I go to the street to greet them and decide if they pass muster in looks and if not give them some cab fare.
If mongerers do not plan and are waiting for one hottie at a time then they, I predict will be left with no alternative, like that monkey yanking it hard and often up in that mango tree. I learned early on that there is way too much talent in Kiev to just wait for one hottie. Just my own style. And if I come up 'snake eyes' with a Mamba hottie (exhausting A, B, C, & D), I head to Avalon or Shooters for take out! There is no rocket science here. Only supply and demand. I see an infinite amount of talent in Kiev and plan accordingly to capture as much of it as I can. It is all in the mindset of the mongerer, and yes after 3-4 days chasing all that pussy, I have to learn to pace myself, hence going to get a massage.
If a mongerer prepares to succeed, then sometimes some luck will fall his way. I go to Kiev for 3-7 days and I try to make the most of it. If a guy wants just one hottie a day then more power to him. Yes Murphy's law can bite one in the ass, my job is to avoid that possibility. By the way having worked alot with NATO and your MOD I think I will pass. NATO has more than enough problems and I do not fancy your UK food, just the beer!
Cheers,
Hunter
Whether my posts are believed or not really does not matter to me. I report to all in the event someone can learn from my travails. If my posts help one mongerer save some money on an apartment, a place to eat, a better deal on a p4p, an improved chance for a freebie then it will be worth it. Let's face it while there is much talent to be had, Kiev is a total mess and will be for many a decade. But to me it is paradise.
If you or any other mongerer wants to link up to party or chase some talent let me know.
HunterYeah hunter helps me a lot on that I save some money on APT and Mamba girl Anyway I wish I had nice monger as you had.
OK, so are you ready to listen now?
I told you your $50 expectations were unrealistic and I told you how to find a salon (quality not assured).
Whatever your price sensitivity, spending two weeks in Kiev without getting laid is wasteful. Life is short, and dyevs' legs are long.
First, don't sweat having girls come to your apartment. They have better things to do then come back to haunt you.
Second, if you are in Kiev for a long time and have an apartment you are in a great position to get freebies, or at least a good sponsorship girl.
Third, how could you be so stupid as to waste your first two weeks on a girl from Canada? She is not needy like a local girl and was always going to leave anyway! Surely you are in a better position to get a local girlfriend.
I read your reports from St. Pitr and you had the same problem there, wasted days before a last minute rescue at some salon.
So just get on the scoreboard! Call up a pink profile on Mamba. There are hundreds (or thousands) of them in Kiev and they cannot all be fake. If that is too risky for you then call up GIA escorts. $140 for 1 hour or $200 for 2, and they even rent rooms out if you like. I know many guys here bad-mouth them, and I have never used that service myself, but everything I read about them suggests it could be a good solution for someone in your position. Safe and somewhat reliable if somewhat over-priced. Sort of a General Motors of mongering. Go to a hotel after 11:00 pm and pick up a lobby girl to take back to your apartment. Sure that is a bad deal based on quality and price, but it is better than nothing!
It is not that difficult.why don't you suggest shooters and Avalon? I think GIA is too expansive. But they are keep discounting. Right now few days ago I got new mail from them with 17 percent discount.
I have quick question beside I heard that shooters have some racial issues.
Myself as Asian but young and have good body shape. Does shooters reject Asian too? (I read some thread that some African guy got rejected)
Steve Naive
10-15-10, 07:01
i read about the place on this board and visited their web site to learn more. took their phone number and address, and went out to try to find it. the hardest part is knowing that when you find #4, 4b is located inside a courtyard whose entrance is near #4. just search for their web site for all the details - it's in english.
you can't just show up: they don't answer the doorbell. i had to call first. they could see me immediately, so i went back and they were waiting.
the mama brought out 3 girls for me to choose from. none were wearing revealing clothing, so aside from being slender, body features were hidden. i chose a light-haired lady, i think with the name marsha or something like that. she was slender and had a nice figure, medium breasts, probably early 30s. face pleasant but not her best feature.
i was brought to a room, which was clean, modern, pleasant, but not too fancy. a moment later i was asked for payment (450 ua) in advance. this is for what the web site refers to "body massage" - that is, after getting a light therapeutic massage, she then oils up her naked body and rubs it all over yours - mainly using her breasts. the ending is an oily hj.
there are many variations mentioned on their web site, but they were not offered or explained. i suspect if you wanted something in particular that was mentioned by their web site, you could get it by asking. i doubt you can get more than hj here.
i was given a towel and instructed to shower. she was waiting when i got back. as therepeutic massage goes, it was relaxing but not deep enough to work out sore muscles. often the places that offer extras are like this. the lady was polite but not engaging. i could touch her but not her private areas. no particular rushing except for the 60 minute limit.
somehow i had assumed that this would be an asian massage parlour, and i prefer asians. i enjoyed the experience. yes, you could get fs for not a whole lot more, but this is more like an oily massage in bangkok, and it was fun for variety.
I am just breezing through Kiev on business. I had a question for you experienced Kiev visitors. It is pretty stupidly naive, so please forgive me, this is my first time to Europe even and I don't normally hit up a club on a trip.
I stopped by Millenium last night and it was quite empty. Most girls would come up for their dance then go right back stage and never come out until their next dance. I stayed there for a while and watched the rotation, saw one girl I was interested in dance a few times and never come out to mingle with the customers.
Is there some protocol I'm missing out on to signal interest? I'm used to western clubs where the girls mingle after their dance, so if anyone has become interested they can get a dance.
Not prepared to dive on the stage and grab them by the ankle when they're walking back to the back room.
On 3-4 occasions throughout the night girls did come back, in each case they made a bee-line for a particular person's table. One did do this to me, a girl I wasn't interested in but would have taken some dances from. Sat down, she said a couple of sentences, then asked for a drink which the waitress then told me was 800 UAH. I declined that then the waitress suggested I should get something else at 500 UAH. I declined that too then before I could talk to the dancer she just got up and took off without saying a word. This was all over in about 60 seconds.
Not really used to this. I was in a club to get a dance from a girl not to buy drinks, so I was expecting to at least be offered a dance or have dancers available rather than taking off back stage.
I wasn't offered change on my last drink either, it was going to be roughly the size of the tip so I didn't bother making a fuss. I just got up and left and tried to visit Buddha Bar on the way back but was told it was closed (1:30am). Not sure if that meant it was closed or closed to me.
So, as I am completely naive and made assumptions that it would be straight forward to at least get a dance at a club that advertises dances, I hereby kowtow 5 times and request some guidance, education and explanation.
I am just breezing through Kiev on business. I had a question for you experienced Kiev visitors. It is pretty stupidly naive, so please forgive me, this is my first time to Europe even and I don't normally hit up a club on a trip.
I stopped by Millenium last night and it was quite empty. Most girls would come up for their dance then go right back stage and never come out until their next dance. I stayed there for a while and watched the rotation, saw one girl I was interested in dance a few times and never come out to mingle with the customers.
Is there some protocol I'm missing out on to signal interest? I'm used to western clubs where the girls mingle after their dance, so if anyone has become interested they can get a dance.
Not prepared to dive on the stage and grab them by the ankle when they're walking back to the back room.
On 3-4 occasions throughout the night girls did come back, in each case they made a bee-line for a particular person's table. One did do this to me, a girl I wasn't interested in but would have taken some dances from. Sat down, she said a couple of sentences, then asked for a drink which the waitress then told me was 800 UAH. I declined that then the waitress suggested I should get something else at 500 UAH. I declined that too then before I could talk to the dancer she just got up and took off without saying a word. This was all over in about 60 seconds.
Not really used to this. I was in a club to get a dance from a girl not to buy drinks, so I was expecting to at least be offered a dance or have dancers available rather than taking off back stage.
I wasn't offered change on my last drink either, it was going to be roughly the size of the tip so I didn't bother making a fuss. I just got up and left and tried to visit Buddha Bar on the way back but was told it was closed (1:30am). Not sure if that meant it was closed or closed to me.
So, as I am completely naive and made assumptions that it would be straight forward to at least get a dance at a club that advertises dances, I hereby kowtow 5 times and request some guidance, education and explanation.You went to the wrong club.
This was my experience with this club as well.
Nearly empty, and then one or 2 girls come up to you & ask you to buy a drink for them once they sit down.
I wasn't in the best of mood by then, so just told the waitress I am here to Fuck, not to buy Drinks.
Take ou t of the girls from the club is very expensive, but available, if you point out to the mamager which girl takes your fancy for a private Dance.
Take out you sort it out with the gir l in private.
Budda bar closes early if its on a slow weekday night.
For a strip club, head down the road to Rio.
Or take a taxi & head to Tixi omut on the other side of town.
Uke,
If you have read my posts I have talked about a few that have showed at my door and I had to pass on. Yes I do pass on my many successes. My trip in August only had one bad show, and I paid for their cab fare and said Adios. But prep prior to showing and finding a few hotties minimizes ones failures. My September trip had no failures, all successes. Some were Mamba preps and others were past friends/conquests. I will post my warts when they occur.
People may ***** and whine about some of my posts, but I can at least back my trips up with fotos. Take a look at who has been posting fotos in the Kiev photo gallery. It may as well be dead, save a few of us.
If you want to ever team up and monger together just let me know. I have offered this every trip I have made to Kiev. Like Howdie Dooty I recommend you just put me in your Ignore folder and let's agree to disagree.
Hunter"I can at least back my trips up with fotos. Take a look at who has been posting fotos in the Kiev photo gallery. It may as well be dead, save a few of us."
None of the photos you posted prove that you were in the sack with the hottest hottie you're talking about.
S,
It is doable but I did have to take another Gen-V tab in the early morning before I had my way with the hot Avalon Blonde. It made it easy to come to attention, but with that hot blonde dancing in my apartment and me chasing her around, coming to attention was not difficult. She had to work hard to get me hard a 2nd time with a great BBBJ.
HunterI'm sure super sexy girls can do the trick. If I get lucky with them, I will try 5 pops, but I'm sure it'll be a sore bone again.
If you have read my posts, I have dicussed some late shows and rejections. To alleviate this problem of late shows I use a Plan A, B, see and D. I hope to see A, but if she is late (which I tell her that I have other plans [like a late business dinner] if she is going to be late then I am going to have to reschedule) then I shift to B, reshedule A, and move on to see and D.
If a mongerer does his homework and plans accordingly with multiple backup you can reduce the late/no shows. We need to be in control, not the hottie. I have rescheduled multiple women because they are late. I can accept a 20-30 minute late arrival if they are calling or SMSing me. If not then I move on. I never give my apartment #, just my address. Once they arrive I go to the street to greet them and decide if they pass muster in looks and if not give them some cab fare.
If mongerers do not plan and are waiting for one hottie at a time then they, I predict will be left with no alternative, like that monkey yanking it hard and often up in that mango tree. I learned early on that there is way too much talent in Kiev to just wait for one hottie. Just my own style. And if I come up 'snake eyes' with a Mamba hottie (exhausting A, B, C, & D), I head to Avalon or Shooters for take out! There is no rocket science here. Only supply and demand. I see an infinite amount of talent in Kiev and plan accordingly to capture as much of it as I can. It is all in the mindset of the mongerer, and yes after 3-4 days chasing all that pussy, I have to learn to pace myself, hence going to get a massage.
If a mongerer prepares to succeed, then sometimes some luck will fall his way. I go to Kiev for 3-7 days and I try to make the most of it. If a guy wants just one hottie a day then more power to him. Yes Murphy's law can bite one in the ass, my job is to avoid that possibility. By the way having worked alot with NATO and your MOD I think I will pass. NATO has more than enough problems and I do not fancy your UK food, just the beer!
Cheers,
HunterHunter,
My approach to multi booking of girls on the same Night, ie plans A, B, C, the and then hit the clubs, is Similar to yours, except that I set up the meetings in the Basement bar of my hotel.
This way at least I am having a drink& a snack, and if the girl is not up to my expectations and more importantly terms of service, then she is away with the 50 hryvnia. It is less awkward for me than running up and down the stairs.
I can check her here for attiude and confirmation of services as per her profile, before we make our way upstairs to my room.
Just in case the girls are working for the the same Agency (You can't tell by the different phone nos), I arrange meetings on the hour & then
Past 10 minutes.
I couldn't be setting up say an hour meeting with 2 different girls at the same time. If the y are working for the same person or agency they get alarmed if you haven't asked for double booking, and will only send one.
Remember INNA, the lovely looking student girl who was advertising herself at US$ 300 L/T on mamba?
I think you had her for much less. And igot her to come to my meeting place. She was very nice looking, but not the type I go for.
Although she really came down on her price, I made an excuse by asking her whether A was on the menu? She said sorry No. Gave her 100 UAH, and I told her that I will contact her again. But she wanted to hang around with me and have a chat. She was working for herself, ie independent. As the meeting was running late, Plan B girl turned up.
A big young pretty Blonde girl, who you could tell that A levels she can master. At this point INNA got up and her parting words were, you have a strange taste.
When my mongering meetings & activities in my room wind up at around midnight, then its time to hit the clubs.
If I encounter anything worth it for a max US 120 and I am still going, then its back to my room.
In River Palace I used to chat up the girls buy them drinks, but tell them I only indulge early evening & I like to sleep and wake up alone.
Get their digits and we agree on a happy hour price the following day.
Afternoons I do the Massage places.
This multi planning is the one I follow in Poland as well, except the Clubs there incall Sex clubs. So price & sex is Guranteed.
Hunter. You are wrong about British food. London is the Food capital of the world now & British food (English &Ethnic) is very Fusion and eclectic.
Eating out in London is such a joy and experince, and so is the Mongering.
And I am going to do just that in the next few hours with one of the girls from here.
www.Houseofdivine.com
No scams, no ripoffs. The girls do what it says on their Tins.
A lot of times it even beats Kiev.
Regards
Maanth,
I think the simple answer is avoid Millenium - I've never heard anything good about it and your report suggests it is worse than I imagined, bordering on a clip joint.
If you are in the centre and you want a strip club, Rio on Bogdana Khlemnistgo (around a 10 minute walk from Maidan) is much better. There are several reports on the board about it. Protocol is far more normal - catch the eye of the girl dancing, ask one of the managers to send the girl over or ask one of the waitresses. Girls are always happy to come over.
I haven't been too often, but it is noticably more busy recently so you may have to wait for a dance or for the girl to join you. Also, based on my last visit there, make your move quickly as if a group of locals is there with some cash they can monopolise every girl who dances.
Entrance is 100hrv, dances 200hrv, drinks not too badly priced and I've never been hassled to buy a girl a drink (and I think, when I have got a drink, they are around the 100hrv mark, maybe a little more).
I think Buddha Bar does shut around that time - maybe 2am - during the week. Never heard of anyone getting faced, so I wouldn't take it personally. Since RP shut, it appears to have been one of the "beneficiaries", and not in a good way. You used to be able to go there any night during the week and get a seat at a table. Last time I went with a friend for a quite drink on a weekday evening even the long bar was packed and there was standing room only.
CastOnThis
10-15-10, 13:57
I am just breezing through Kiev on business. I had a question for you experienced Kiev visitors. It is pretty stupidly naive, so please forgive me, this is my first time to Europe even and I don't normally hit up a club on a trip.
I stopped by Millenium last night and it was quite empty. Most girls would come up for their dance then go right back stage and never come out until their next dance. I stayed there for a while and watched the rotation, saw one girl I was interested in dance a few times and never come out to mingle with the customers.
Is there some protocol I'm missing out on to signal interest? I'm used to western clubs where the girls mingle after their dance, so if anyone has become interested they can get a dance.
Not prepared to dive on the stage and grab them by the ankle when they're walking back to the back room.
On 3-4 occasions throughout the night girls did come back, in each case they made a bee-line for a particular person's table. One did do this to me, a girl I wasn't interested in but would have taken some dances from. Sat down, she said a couple of sentences, then asked for a drink which the waitress then told me was 800 UAH. I declined that then the waitress suggested I should get something else at 500 UAH. I declined that too then before I could talk to the dancer she just got up and took off without saying a word. This was all over in about 60 seconds.
Not really used to this. I was in a club to get a dance from a girl not to buy drinks, so I was expecting to at least be offered a dance or have dancers available rather than taking off back stage.
I wasn't offered change on my last drink either, it was going to be roughly the size of the tip so I didn't bother making a fuss. I just got up and left and tried to visit Buddha Bar on the way back but was told it was closed (1:30am). Not sure if that meant it was closed or closed to me.
So, as I am completely naive and made assumptions that it would be straight forward to at least get a dance at a club that advertises dances, I hereby kowtow 5 times and request some guidance, education and explanation.I have been to Millenium and I got sex out of one of the dancers. What you have to be is assertive. They will try to get you to buy stuff but just say you want a dance and once you are there in the room. Ask if she provides any services. Also for the drinks obviously do not let her suggest anything. But I found Millenium nice regardless if it was expensive. I would do it again.
A friend and me (both german) will be in Kiev from nov 21-27. Anybody else out there during that time? Besides, we've been in Kiev in July and it was great but we still look for a good club where to find nice young slim ladies for fair prices. I looked thru the forum but it's hard to find something good.
Hunter,
Eating out in London is such a joy and experince, and so is the Mongering.
And I am going to do just that in the next few hours with one of the girls from here.
www.Houseofdivine.com
No scams, no ripoffs. The girls do what it says on their Tins.
A lot of times it even beats Kiev.
RegardsJust got back from a bit of mongering & boozing, followed by some fantastic food.
Picked one of the girls from the above site. Click on the site's rota for today, Friday.
Amazing time. On my way back to a bar I was beckoned by one Chinese girl to have a Massage in a place close by.
What, do I do?. Stop, and go with her for one hour of massage, followed by HR.
Why am I posting this in the Kiev thread?
I wasn't out to prove anything, but I did pop twice within 2 hours, without any ED aids.
And here is the thing. I am in the second half of my 40s.
I don't know how old Hunter is?. But 5 pops in 24 hours is very doable for me.
The rate of scoring with young 20's freebies in Kiev, is the one that needs more research and proofs.
Just got back from a bit of mongering & boozing, followed by some fantastic food.
Picked one of the girls from the above site. Click on the site's rota for today, Friday.
Amazing time. On my way back to a bar I was beckoned by one Chinese girl to have a Massage in a place close by.
What, do I do?. Stop, and go with her for one hour of massage, followed by HR.
Why am I posting this in the Kiev thread?
I wasn't out to prove anything, but I did pop twice within 2 hours, without any ED aids.
And here is the thing. I am in the second half of my 40s.
I don't know how old Hunter is?. But 5 pops in 24 hours is very doable for me.
The rate of scoring with young 20's freebies in Kiev, is the one that needs more research and proofs.Jojosun,
Good for you!
Thanks for keeping my question in your mind.
I'm in the second half of 40s, too.
Well, I did pop twice within 90 min. (!) with 2 girls at a salon in Kiev back in July. It's just that I have never even tried to pop 5 times within 24 hours in my life.
As I said earlier, if 3 super sexy women work hard on me, maybe it is possible. I would certainly love it, even though I might get a sore bone.
It seems about Kiev no one has yet written, so I'll let you in the eye.Vanka Stanka, nice one, that name John Ohara. I assume you chose that nick because both of you are fiction writers.
I suggest you take your promotion of this Kiev brothel and go away. You can't even get the prices right. This is Ukraine and they use grivna, not rubles as in your site.
What an complete incompetent you are.
Vanka Stanka, nice one, that name John Ohara. I assume you chose that nick because both of you are fiction writers.
I suggest you take your promotion of this Kiev brothel and go away. You can't even get the prices right. This is Ukraine and they use grivna, not rubles as in your site.
What an complete incompetent you are.I havn't even clicked on the sites yet, but if the price is right., why shouldn't we go down to this Brothel?
If he or she, is incompetent?, doesn't this make them easier & cheaper to deal with than smart hard assed Pimps?
After all mamba& other UA sites are internet pimps, that we spend a lot of time on sorting out the Good, Bad & Ugly.
Here we are dealing with a live person.
I know a lot of questions, but if we don't ask, we won't get the answers.
Jojosun,
Good for you!
Thanks for keeping my question in your mind.
I'm in the second half of 40s, too.
Well, I did pop twice within 90 min. (!) with 2 girls at a salon in Kiev back in July. It's just that I have never even tried to pop 5 times within 24 hours in my life.
As I said earlier, if 3 super sexy women work hard on me, maybe it is possible. I would certainly love it, even though I might get a sore bone.You have beaten my record. But you were nearly 3 months younger, and I am talking about my pops yesterday.
I am willing to submit my girls to be DNA tested for proof.
How about you?
It seems about Kiev no one has yet written, so I'll let you in the eye.
If there is a desire to engage in sex tourism, forget about Thailand, Cuba, etc.
Kiev out of competition. The first time I was there a year ago, called or went only to the girls from the sites. They, too many smart-ass photos of another mold, so that almost every site has a form, labeled as "Photo 100%" or "Verified Photo". After that trip three times flew there just for the weekend, the type of work, actually. Just normal to have sex with beautiful girls. Ticket to Kiev is about 400$, good, I repeat, a good girl can be rented for 50 bucks through the site. Other options I have not even sought, never traded, conscience does not allow. Attitude in general is much better than us, even visiting the girls rarely allow themselves to be rude to the customer.
Cite examples (all of these tests in person):
$ 50 / hour (400 hryvnia):
http://alia-sexgirls.com/index.php?option=com_hotproperty&task=view&id=15&Itemid=43
http://alia-sexgirls.com/index.php?option=com_hotproperty&task=view&id=33&Itemid=43 - on the face is not so, but only 50!
$ 100 per hour (800 hryvnia):
http://alia-sexgirls.com/index.php?option=com_hotproperty&task=view&id=24&Itemid=43 - a bit shy, take a lectern
http://alia-sexgirls.com/index.php?option=com_hotproperty&task=view&id=37&Itemid=43 - Bomb
My favorite chick:
http://alia-sexgirls.com/index.php?option=com_hotproperty&task=view&id=10&Itemid=43 - took more than once, including at night - 3000 hryvnia (about 400 bucks)Are you by any chance related to my favourite screen chick of all times ,Maureen O'Hara?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maureen_O'Hara
If your chicks do exist & the price is right? I am IN .
Jojosun, that site you linked had some gergous girls.
Kiev is good, but compare the price you pay for a girl to the standard income it is waaaaaay to expensive. If escorts have the same price and even cheaper in UK, it is something wrong considering the living standards between those 2 countries.
And on more thing, comparing Kiev to Thailand is crazy, it is nowhere near Thailand :)
[QUOTE=HunterDave]After the past 24 hours I needed some heavy rest. Got a few hours of sleep, but my phone, non-UA, kept ringing. Turned out there was an emergency back home and I.
Hello, Hunter, it seems that nobody believes in you.
The problem in your report is that your time is so well organized that even the US president can do better. I don't know why you write these reports, but you will not help neither veterans nor the new ones go to Kiev. I don't mean that you have not had a good experience in Kiev, but please be more realistic as in previous reports you have written. Regarding your photos, anyone could capture them (e. G. This girl is dancing for me.). You said that for many mongers time is gone, it seems to me to be gone for you.
AsianChaos
10-17-10, 07:18
Gentlemen,
Will be heading into Kiev Ukraine for the first time in about 2 weeks and have read the forum extensively but nobody seems to give any rating to the best places to go.
If price was not the factor how would the seniors rank the following club in terms of having the best looking women while keeping easy entry into the clubs in mind also including the best time to go so I can watch the crowd come in.
Shooters, Budha bar, Avelon, Praptip, D/luxe.
Also i am brown in color 30 years (indian) with a decent look and dress very well so what kind of face control issue I am likely to get at the the above mentioned clubs. Is it a good idea to go early to the clubs or can I opt for the bottle service (buying a bottle or getting a table) which guarantees a sure entry like in the US. Does that system apply in Kiev as well? If it does any ideas how much it costs?
Money is not the issue - but my safetly is...I know some of the members might come back with mocking remarks on this but I was seriously considering hiring a body guard during my trip to clubs to kiev. Seniors - pro and cons of this would greatly help.
Since like I said - my safety is a big priority due the the skinhead problems in Kiev.
Your comments gentlemen.
You have beaten my record. But you were nearly 3 months younger, and I am talking about my pops yesterday.
I am willing to submit my girls to be DNA tested for proof.
How about you?
I'm not sure if my DNA is still on their bodies 3 months later :) .
Keep in mind that mine happened at a salon, meaning they only do hand jobs there :) .
I have no intension to compete with Kiev veterans. Even though I've been to Kiev 4 times and spent about 6 weeks all together, I consider myself to be a novice there and am just trying to learn the ropes by reading all these reports.
I'm not sure if my DNA is still on their bodies 3 months later :) .
Keep in mind that mine happened at a salon, meaning they only do hand jobs there :) .
I have no intension to compete with Kiev veterans. Even though I've been to Kiev 4 times and spent about 6 weeks all together, I consider myself to be a novice there and am just trying to learn the ropes by reading all these reports.Sorbonne. The moral of all the this is the following.
1. By all means one should read all reports here to learn the ropes, but putting too much substance into inner personal sack details, can be counter productive. The Devil is Always is in the Details.
Besides it is trivial & irrevelant, trying to check how many times, Poster X& y and Z popped in a night of passion in Kiev.
2. I am a novice here myself and I try to find things out for myself. But
With all due respect to old Kiev hands & Veterans, this doesn't mean that they necessarly occupy the High Mongering ground in Kiev.
3. Even if they do. Do you really think, that they fancy a whole load of Sex tourists fucking on their own door steps & discovering their treasured gems & favourite places?. After all it did cost the K veterans an arm & leg + money in doing so.
And why should they?
4. You have spent longer time in Kiev than yours truly., but I can tell you that where you popped wasn't in a (salon), but in a Massage Place.
How do I know that?
By what you posted above (thay only do Hand Jobs there.).
The 2 sticking terms that I never encountered in my global mongering before I landed in Kiev, were (Sponsoring & salons).
. Salons, AKA, incall Brothels. Where pussies are on the menu, not only hand jobs.
Sponsoring. Is not necessarily (Prostitution).
Thanks to all the OPS who replied to my questions at the time, and explained to me the differences.
For me its back to Learning the Ropes.
Warning to all newbies. This can be costly & addictive, if you don't do your home work first before landing.
Regards
Here we are dealing with a live person. I know a lot of questions, but if we don't ask, we won't get the answers.Jo, this guy is a one-time poster promoting his brothel and/or the web site he has designed. He can't even do a decent translation from Russian to English!
We had plenty of these types try to sneak in such promos in the past. He should at least have had the sense to post it in Classified Ads where it actually belongs.
That being said, this is a brothel does not have a good reputation for quality as reviewed on the local Russian language site. Since business with the locals may have dried up, why not try and sucker naive and ignorant foreigners?
Gentlemen,
Will be heading into Kiev Ukraine for the first time in about 2 weeks and have read the forum extensively but nobody seems to give any rating to the best places to go.
If price was not the factor how would the seniors rank the following club in terms of having the best looking women while keeping easy entry into the clubs in mind also including the best time to go so I can watch the crowd come in.
Shooters, Budha bar, Avelon, Praptip, D/luxe.
Also i am brown in color 30 years (indian) with a decent look and dress very well so what kind of face control issue I am likely to get at the the above mentioned clubs. Is it a good idea to go early to the clubs or can I opt for the bottle service (buying a bottle or getting a table) which guarantees a sure entry like in the US. Does that system apply in Kiev as well? If it does any ideas how much it costs?
Money is not the issue - but my safetly is...I know some of the members might come back with mocking remarks on this but I was seriously considering hiring a body guard during my trip to clubs to kiev. Seniors - pro and cons of this would greatly help.
Since like I said - my safety is a big priority due the the skinhead problems in Kiev.
Your comments gentlemen.I can understand your concerns & would like to point you in the right direction, but I am the Wrong shade to find out being, (White).
May I suggest that you RTFF here & read the excellent reports posted by Borat 69. He posted around Sept 09.
He was in the same boat.
He answered most of your safety and club issues, bar the River palace which got towed away.
Most girls care more about the color of your money.
Jo, this guy is a one-time poster promoting his brothel and/or the web site he has designed. He can't even do a decent translation from Russian to English!
We had plenty of these types try to sneak in such promos in the past. He should at least have had the sense to post it in Classified Ads where it actually belongs.
That being said, this is a brothel does not have a good reputation for quality as reviewed on the local Russian language site. Since business with the locals may have dried up, why not try and sucker naive and ignorant foreigners?Thank You, Old Boy.
Sespasyba Karachov. I know the spelling is the Wrong, but its the thought& sound that counts.
With my 3 Russian words I won't be able to navigate my way around Local Russian sites. And frankly why should I?
Thanks again for your advice.
That's when we need Old Kiev Hands.
Jojosun, that site you linked had some gergous girls.
Kiev is good, but compare the price you pay for a girl to the standard income it is waaaaaay to expensive. If escorts have the same price and even cheaper in UK, it is something wrong considering the living standards between those 2 countries.
And on more thing, comparing Kiev to Thailand is crazy, it is nowhere near Thailand :)I made love (Yes the right term here) to most of the girls on that site & the fact that this & others that I posted in the UK thread under Milton Keynes have been going for years with reputable feed backs and reports posted on Uk forums speak for themselves.
Yes. Short time in London might be Cheaper, but all night & LT in Kiev is much cheaper.
Due to the large influx into the UK of girls from the new EE countries that joind the EU, and in the forfront Poland, prices for mongering in London is much cheaper than 10 years ago.
Nothing Wrong here, just Supply & Demand.
Jojosun, that site you linked had some gergous girls.
Kiev is good, but compare the price you pay for a girl to the standard income it is waaaaaay to expensive. If escorts have the same price and even cheaper in UK, it is something wrong considering the living standards between those 2 countries.
And on more thing, comparing Kiev to Thailand is crazy, it is nowhere near Thailand :)You can't compare Escorts & prostitutes prices anywhere to the standard income in that country.
Can you compare the (4000 Baht, =US$142), all night for take out from (Baccara) being the top Go Go club in Bangkok with the standard income in Thailand?
This is even if they agree to all night, as most of them opt to go for the Short Time at 2000 Baht+ bar fine of 600Baht + your drinks.
And when you try to compare like for like, in terms of quality & status of clubs, ie Baccara & the like in, Bangkok V Top Kiev clubs, then you find which is the crazier comparison.
Added to this the comparison, the level of education of UA girls V Thai girls.
In Thailand you might end up sponsoring the Girl's Family Buffalo, but in Kiev you are either buying urgent medical treatment to herGrand Mother, or to fund the girl's studies until she gets her PHD, Doctorate in Sexeology.
And we all know how costly & time consuming getting a PHD in Sexeology can be.
I for one, being a gentelman & (Gentelmen Prefer Blondes), the prices quoted by(River Palace girls) then seem to be Reasonable & even a bargain when you got them on Happy Hour Prices the following Early evening.
Bless them & bless the Boat that got towed away with them.
Must dash back to my Pub to have my Sunday joint & drinks, and I am half pissed already.
Sorry folks, but as much as I like lurking on this site, it can be Addictive.
Steve Naive
10-17-10, 17:18
Hello, Hunter, it seems that nobody believes in you.Ivanvlad, you do not speak for all readers on this board. Speak for yourself!
At least this man talks about places a newbie could go. That's more than YOU can say: I read all eight of your reports. None would help another man get laid. A couple are questions you could have answered for yourself by reading or searching the forums. Until you post useful reports, I suggest you keep your criticism to yourself.
I even had to fix your post in the Reports of Distinction. It seems you did not even bother to check that the link you posted would work. Get a clue!
If you don't find Hunter's reports useful, put him on your Ignore list and move on. I don't see the value of a bunch of people beating up on the guy, claiming to speak for everyone here. You don't, and you come off pretty wimpy by pretending you do, especially when you have no record of your own to stand on.
Steve Naive
10-17-10, 17:23
And on more thing, comparing Kiev to Thailand is crazy, it is nowhere near Thailand :)My experience was that it IS comparable to Thailand. The going price in Nana or Soi Cowboy is 1500 ST plus 600 for bar fine, about US$71 total. I had a very nice experience with a mamba lady for US$100, and I think they can be had for 600 Ukranian, which is about US$74. That's a narrow gap for quality service from an attractive and friendly lady in either place for about 2 hours.
I am now in Kiev.Took some mamba girls for 600 Grivnya.Overall good experience I did also extreme stuff but the freebie scene has changed to the worse.I was in deLux and Carribean.Too much competition from Arabs and Turks I managed to hit some girls but soon gets very expensive.I don't know what these Arabs are spending but they spend huge.The Turks grab the girls and bring them where they are.In general you need really to try hard to keep them.
I got some on date to restaurant the next day but they got greedy.I saw very old western men with tall,hot,Blondynki carrying bags from extensive shopping and buying cosmetics.Overall not a good place for average financial situation.Province much better.
So Kiev is now very good for p4p,bad for freebies.Most mamba contacts do not even appear or start sh1t tests or are clearly after money.
Steve Naive
10-17-10, 20:22
With my 3 Russian words I won't be able to navigate my way around Local Russian sites. And frankly why should I?Google Chrome (browser) automatically translated Russian pages from mamba.ru to English for me. Short of installing that browser, you can ask google translator to translate a page, given the URL and original language. The translations are imperfect, perhaps, but it definitely conveys the important ideas.
And why should you read Russian sites? The lady I reviewed below does speak a little English, but her posting on mamba.ru was in Russian, and I was able to read all of her comments. There were important hints on what she expected that made the whole experience go a lot smoother.
As I said earlier, I think here, I wish it could also translate my English responses automatically into Russian. But that can be done with google translator, too.
You could reasonably discuss with a lady and get her to agree to visit, having exchanged ideas in advance, and knowing that you would not be able to actually converse with words in person. So far google has no solution for that.
No, I don't work for google.
Google Chrome (browser) automatically translated Russian pages from mamba.ru to English for me. Short of installing that browser, you can ask google translator to translate a page, given the URL and original language. The translations are imperfect, perhaps, but it definitely conveys the important ideas.
And why should you read Russian sites? The lady I reviewed below does speak a little English, but her posting on mamba.ru was in Russian, and I was able to read all of her comments. There were important hints on what she expected that made the whole experience go a lot smoother.
As I said earlier, I think here, I wish it could also translate my English responses automatically into Russian. But that can be done with google translator, too.
You could reasonably discuss with a lady and get her to agree to visit, having exchanged ideas in advance, and knowing that you would not be able to actually converse with words in person. So far google has no solution for that.
No, I don't work for google.There is an Option in English on mamba. One needs to click on the bottom left hand side of the page.
I only need to clarify in English the price + time($$$ Hours? In my pm on mamba). And when they respond I take it a bit further.
One cheeky young student replied to me, (Does it really matter to you the Money?) My pm. I am not worried about the $$$ money, I am more worried about the Time, just in case its too long, because I only go for short time affairs.
Long story short. I met up with her in Kiev. She came down to Kiev from Donetsk to meet me without me sending her a cent. I posted on her last year. Irish Lad did comment at the time that she didn't sound as if she was a prostitute, not that I cared any way. And he was right.
Sponsoring in UA is not outright prostitution, but it could work out more expensive.
Now we are the best of friends. She calls me her Dream, but I relegated her to just a friend & talent spotter for me.
This girl is for keeps and I won't be sharing her digits. My investment + hard work. Now she is my companion in clubs.
You pull more girls when you are in the company of another girl or girls and not just in Kiev. More so if she is Bisexual.
You get Two for the price of one.
I don't get involved in the translation game, just in case we get lost in Translation. Besides I am too lazy to do that & can't be bothered to go through all of that just to get laid in Kiev.
I spent months on Mamba prior to landing in Kiev. Built up a portfolio of potentials. When I got there sampled some of them.
I only meet girls once & very rarely twice. Never do I go on an ego trip.
It might sound strange. I know.
My experience was that it IS comparable to Thailand. The going price in Nana or Soi Cowboy is 1500 ST plus 600 for bar fine, about US$71 total. I had a very nice experience with a mamba lady for US$100, and I think they can be had for 600 Ukranian, which is about US$74. That's a narrow gap for quality service from an attractive and friendly lady in either place for about 2 hours.Even girls on the streets around Nana are 1000 baht (US$35) a short pop .
With all the street food stalls there & eating with your eyes , its not much of a turn on .
The combination of smells of Garlic,Ginger ,Coriander and pussies next to each other is another dampner on your libido .
HunterDave
10-18-10, 03:34
[QUOTE=HunterDave]After the past 24 hours I needed some heavy rest. Got a few hours of sleep, but my phone, non-UA, kept ringing. Turned out there was an emergency back home and I.
Hello, Hunter, it seems that nobody believes in you.
The problem in your report is that your time is so well organized that even the US president can do better. I don't know why you write these reports, but you will not help neither veterans nor the new ones go to Kiev. I don't mean that you have not had a good experience in Kiev, but please be more realistic as in previous reports you have written. Regarding your photos, anyone could capture them (e. G. This girl is dancing for me.). You said that for many mongers time is gone, it seems to me to be gone for you.Hey, what rock did you crawl out from under? Have you ever even posted anything anywhere on ISG? If your Prague post is your claim to fame I guess you are still in 'training' mode to monger. Have you ever been to Kiev? Please shed some light to all of us on anything you have done as a mongerer. Not one of your reports shows you have even been to Kiev. Clearly you find it hard to believe someone can score with a hottie from your 8 (counting this report) weak reports. Sorry you dislike my posted fotos. I just posted some still video freeze shots. But I recommend you place my reports in your Ignore folder since clearly you don't enjoy seeing or reading about fellow mongerers scoring with Kiev hotties.
I recommend you come out from the shore (where you are very safe) and test the water in Kiev. It is deep but the rewards if you prepare properly can be exceptional. Just RTFF. But my guess is that you prefer the safety on staying on the sidelines and taking a few cheap shots. Time for you to take off your training wheels. Bud, I hate to tell you but your mouth is talking smack your reports do not back up.
I think Jackson needs to start a new thread here in Ukraine or on the ISG main threads for mongerers like your self that just like to b**** and complain so some of us other mongerers don't have to hear the likes of you and some of the 'bluebloods' on this thread. We can call it the Whiner thread and make you and a few others Founding Members! You get my vote hands down!
Hunter
HunterDave
10-18-10, 05:17
Hunter,
My approach to multi booking of girls on the same Night, ie plans A, B, C, the and then hit the clubs, is Similar to yours, except that I set up the meetings in the Basement bar of my hotel.
This way at least I am having a drink& a snack, and if the girl is not up to my expectations and more importantly terms of service, then she is away with the 50 hryvnia. It is less awkward for me than running up and down the stairs.
I can check her here for attiude and confirmation of services as per her profile, before we make our way upstairs to my room.
Just in case the girls are working for the the same Agency (You can't tell by the different phone nos), I arrange meetings on the hour & then
Past 10 minutes.
I couldn't be setting up say an hour meeting with 2 different girls at the same time. If the y are working for the same person or agency they get alarmed if you haven't asked for double booking, and will only send one.
Remember INNA, the lovely looking student girl who was advertising herself at US$ 300 L/T on mamba?
I think you had her for much less. And igot her to come to my meeting place. She was very nice looking, but not the type I go for.
Although she really came down on her price, I made an excuse by asking her whether A was on the menu? She said sorry No. Gave her 100 UAH, and I told her that I will contact her again. But she wanted to hang around with me and have a chat. She was working for herself, ie independent. As the meeting was running late, Plan B girl turned up.
A big young pretty Blonde girl, who you could tell that A levels she can master. At this point INNA got up and her parting words were, you have a strange taste.
When my mongering meetings & activities in my room wind up at around midnight, then its time to hit the clubs.
If I encounter anything worth it for a max US 120 and I am still going, then its back to my room.
In River Palace I used to chat up the girls buy them drinks, but tell them I only indulge early evening & I like to sleep and wake up alone.
Get their digits and we agree on a happy hour price the following day.
Afternoons I do the Massage places.
This multi planning is the one I follow in Poland as well, except the Clubs there incall Sex clubs. So price & sex is Guranteed.
Hunter. You are wrong about British food. London is the Food capital of the world now & British food (English &Ethnic) is very Fusion and eclectic.
Eating out in London is such a joy and experince, and so is the Mongering.
And I am going to do just that in the next few hours with one of the girls from here.
www.Houseofdivine.com
No scams, no ripoffs. The girls do what it says on their Tins.
A lot of times it even beats Kiev.
RegardsJoJo,
Similar methodologies, but I stay in apartments and avoid hotels hence the need to go down to pick them up. I do not want them showing up later with a big 'mafia' dude or pimp wanting more. Sorry about Inna, she appears to have raised her price. When I met her she was just a college girl looking for some money for tuition. But hell that was about a year ago.
When I first arrive I hit the phones hard to confirm my setups. I kind of try to meet with up to 3-4 hotties in the first 24 hrs if possible to get the engine revved up and tuned. Day 2 is similar, but I do try to ramp it up even more if possible looking to meet with and hit 4 of them if possible. After 2 days I try to look for steady state minimum of 2 hotties but shoot for 3 per day if things can work out. This is where Plans A, B, see & the pay their dividends. I line them up, and Rolex the late shows for later, but work to keep a line going, with new possibles in the wings. This seems to have worked well these last 2 trips. So well that I now start with the gen-V on Day 2 rather than later in a trip. Ah, the miracle of drugs.
I have 4 different Mamba accounts (in the event the Mamba staff blocks my profile) so I can keep hunting till I get my main account unblocked. I keep comms up with 600+ hotties (p4p or possible freebies) just in my main (Real) (favorites) account to keep the line ready and available. My other backup accounts have many other 'favorites' also which I try to keep up comms with. Many are standing by to meet with me. This helps keep the prime pumped. Some get a bit pissed that I have not yet linked up with them on my short trips. I keep feigning alot of work in Kiev! Such is the life of a mongerer in Kiev. Keep me in that briar patch!
I some times book a few very close together since there is always a late show, so I pass on one and bring home the nearer timed and readily available one. I try to use my afternoons for p4p since I have been sleeping thru the morning from the previous nights activities and fun. I look for the planned Mamba p4p hottie. I shoot for around the 5-600 grivna range just to get me back in the swing of things to start my new mongering day. I see the evening hours 17. 00 to 01. 00 prime for freebie meeting or past follow-up or the occasional just got to have p4p. I try to eat by myself around 16. 00 so I feign that I am not hungry when a hottie is begging to go and eat. I offer a drink to meet, when a hottie pushes for a dinner, then I offer the place. If she pushes a place I normally excuse myself do to work. I read someone else say this also, but I tell them I have travelled 6, 000 plus miles to see her, she can at least meet me at my place of choosing near the city center (also near my apartment) for later activities. Some p4p are now very nice freebies, probably similar to your former RP next day specials or freebies.
I guess I may have to re-examine my ideas on London. Still like the beer, not so much the chow! But hell it would be nice to try out the EE specials and maybe monger together.
Hunter
Sorbonne. The moral of all the this is the following.
1. By all means one should read all reports here to learn the ropes, but putting too much substance into inner personal sack details, can be counter productive. The Devil is Always is in the Details.
Besides it is trivial & irrevelant, trying to check how many times, Poster X& y and Z popped in a night of passion in Kiev.
2. I am a novice here myself and I try to find things out for myself. But
With all due respect to old Kiev hands & Veterans, this doesn't mean that they necessarly occupy the High Mongering ground in Kiev.
3. Even if they do. Do you really think, that they fancy a whole load of Sex tourists fucking on their own door steps & discovering their treasured gems & favourite places?. After all it did cost the K veterans an arm & leg + money in doing so.
And why should they?
4. You have spent longer time in Kiev than yours truly., but I can tell you that where you popped wasn't in a (salon), but in a Massage Place.
How do I know that?
By what you posted above (thay only do Hand Jobs there.).
The 2 sticking terms that I never encountered in my global mongering before I landed in Kiev, were (Sponsoring & salons).
. Salons, AKA, incall Brothels. Where pussies are on the menu, not only hand jobs.
Sponsoring. Is not necessarily (Prostitution).
Thanks to all the OPS who replied to my questions at the time, and explained to me the differences.
For me its back to Learning the Ropes.
Warning to all newbies. This can be costly & addictive, if you don't do your home work first before landing.
Regards
My hat off. You're pretty observant.
I didn't bother nailing the terms. To think about it, salons I've been to in Riga and St. Pete were indeed incall brothels. Kiev is the only city I know where there is a type of establishment, namely massage place, that does only hand jobs.
I guess meaning of terms depends on each country.
So what does sponsoring mean in Ukraine? I originally thought what it meant was like "giving the girl's family monthly stipends on condition that the girl will marry you when she is ready" or something. But then I'm hearing about "sponsoring a girl on weekends." Can you or anyone point me to the right direction?
I booked Malena (http://www.top-models.mx/?id=3761#f), who has recently lowered her price from 1000 to 800, and rightly so.
Anyway, it is hard to tell, but if the photos are real, they are from at least 5 years ago. The girls who showed up was at least 5Kg. overweight, all of which went to her stomach, and had bad lip collagen injections, that made the middle of her lips pouty but really hard. She kept her watch on, and started complaining after about 15 minutes.
My hat off. You're pretty observant.
I didn't bother nailing the terms. To think about it, salons I've been to in Riga and St. Pete were indeed incall brothels. Kiev is the only city I know where there is a type of establishment, namely massage place, that does only hand jobs.
I guess meaning of terms depends on each country.
So what does sponsoring mean in Ukraine? I originally thought what it meant was like "giving the girl's family monthly stipends on condition that the girl will marry you when she is ready" or something. But then I'm hearing about "sponsoring a girl on weekends." Can you or anyone point me to the right direction?Yes, reading the Russia thread & latvia, Salons =Brothels.
Since the majority of UA population are Russian speakers, so the same applies here. In the UK they are called Parlours.
Re your question (What does sponsoring mean in Ukraine))?
Like I said I am still a novice here. And when I go on Mamba, I look for girls who are Looking for a Sponsor, some of them are offering Sex for money & to be sponsored.
Those girls are the ones, that I respond to. Clarifing price + Time.
So, Sponsoring is a Loose term, used by Hookers, who can't post outright the Exact price, but will reply to you, if you ask them straight (US$$$? TIME HOURS?)
And by Other girls looking for a longer liasons, or regular basis.
In the US or UK, some Girls might advertise for a Sugar Daddy, if they are looking for a similar Deal.
Freebies in the UA, looking for friendship, love, marriage, do state on their profile (Not Looking for a Sponsor or to be Sponsored)
The(above) are the ones that I avoid.
There was once an Ad from a girl in New York in Time Out magazine, describing herself as (A Financially Embarrassed Student) looking for someone to fund her studies. Go figure. What those bithches will think of next?
So being a regular or long term Sponsor in the UA, is the equivalent of being a Sugar Daddy.
Just my 2Gryvnas on the subject.
UA & Kiev experts are the ones best placed to answer your question, before you start working out your Budget for next year, in case you are thinking of Sponsoring Miss Potentials.
Steve Naive
10-18-10, 21:48
There is an Option in English on mamba. One needs to click on the bottom left hand side of the page.I know about that. It translates only the mamba.ru text.
I'm talking about translating all the text the lady writes in her posting, automatically! Only Chrome will do that, and it's useful.
Mellowtrax
10-19-10, 00:40
I have even had time to have a few drinks with Cruiser (who clearly enjoys mongering solo) and several nights of drinking with Irish Lad and his lovely girlfriend. If this is my fantasyland then leave me in that briar patch. If I could, I would spend a hell of a lot more time in that paradise. Why do you think guys like The Knight, Mellowtrax and I continue to visit Kiev? It sure as hell isn't for the weather it is for all the talent!
Amen, brother!
Certain members in here have clearly misunderstood the meaning of this forum – to exchange knowledge and discuss important issues regarding mongering – since trolling is all they seem to be doing in here.
Some members think you exaggerate your experiences, others question if you have actually been with the girls in your photos, others question how many times you are able to pop in a day and some even question your existence!
It’s never a nice feeling to have your reports questioned or being called a liar. It also happened to me, when dear Bez questioned the prices quoted in my July report and encouraged me to post photos of the girls I had been with (which I actually had done).
However, the issue with your reports seems to be logistic. Too well organized to be true, they say. Well, that’s a load of BS. Isn’t the purpose of going to Kiev and banging the talents there to avoid disappointments and delete, or at least minimize, factor like coincidence from the equation? Of course it is. When I’m in Kiev I expect maximum out of my time there and I do that through extensively preparation.
I really appreciate your contribution to this forum and find your reports trustworthy and helpful. Keep posting and let people think whatever they want.
My German teacher in high school once told me – when I interpreted a text completely wrong – that if I don’t have anything intelligent to say, don’t say anything at all. That’s a piece of advice some people in here certainly can use. So many not contributing at all or appreciating the time and effort other put in our reports. Really sad.
Mellowtrax
10-19-10, 00:43
Well its now obvious why you called steve naive, dont get all arsy, its my opinion and I'm entitled to it, so keep your nose out.
Diceman,
You are entitled to your opinion, just as Steve is entitled to his. You are free to comment on other posts, but nobody can comment on your posts or disagree with you? This is a public forum, so nobody has to keep their noses out of any posts, including yours.
Mellowtrax
10-19-10, 00:48
Hunter
Here's the trouble I have with your writing. Those of us who have been here for a long time or have visited with great frequency know that the best laid plans oftentimes go wrong for so many reasons well beyond our control. These have been laid out in depth by many posters over the years. The ladies, if not picked up at the club, more often than not never arrive on time, even brothel girls just up the street from where you are. Traffic, as you know is horrible here and many of the girls live in outlying areas. From Svyatoshyn, from Obolon and even from Darnytsa, let alone the far suburbs girls would always prefer to be late than not be completely dressed up and made up to kill. It is the nature of the beast. Today it can take a long time to get from one area to another since there is almost always a long wait for a marshrutka to the metro and some metro lines require a transfer. That means more waiting.
Your logistics are just too smooth. It does not ring true to the experience of everyone else here, especially long timers. It is too perfect. With respect to experiences here, Murphy's Law applies, except in your case. Ladies show and leave on time, making way for the next one 5 minutes later. That which is too perfect just cannot be believed when it comes to life and sex in Kiev.
If you hold to your contention that this is all true, then I suggest you get a job as the head of logistics for NATO or the MOD. That would then be your perfect post. Let us know when you do, then I will believe all that you have written. Until then, I have the right to question your escapades and consider that some (not all) is either exaggeration or pure fiction.
Experience here counts for much as well when evaluating posts by experienced mongers or newbies. On the whole, for many, your reports are quite useful, just not for me.
Uke,
Just returned from 1 week in Kiev I can certainly confirm traffic is hell, but that doesn’t necessarily make Hunter a liar, nor exaggerating his escapades. Maybe we has lucky with his girls, maybe the girls he met with are very well aware of the traffic situation in Kiev and plan accordingly, or maybe he did like I do: Telling the girls don’t bother to come if they are more than 10 minutes late.
If I agree to meet with a girl the same day I tell her to give me a realistic ETA time. Murphy’s Law certainly exists in Kiev, but can be avoided with a little thinking and planning (leaving home in good time and avoid meeting during rush hours).
Without thinking too high of myself I think it’s sure to say that I’m one of the most well organized mongers. I do my preparations before arrival and have my schedule settled almost down to the hour. I let the girls know I hate to wait and expect them to be on time. However, that doesn’t mean I have never waited more than 10 minutes for a girl. Of course I have. As late as last Tuesday I was freezing my ass off on Bessarabskaya Square for 30 minutes. I was 15 minutes early (my bad) and the girl was 15 minutes late. I was not in my best mood when she finally came. I don’t come to Kiev to wait because she can’t get her ass out the door. We are all different, and some guys might not everything organized, but this is just my style, and maybe Hunter’s too. Besides that, Hunter actually wrote one of his girls was more than 30 minutes late, another one 10 minutes late.
Just because you and many others, including myself, haven’t had 100 % perfect success doesn’t mean it’s not possible. You might don’t find it credible, and you are certainly entitled to question his reports. Sometimes Murphy’s Law applies; sometimes things just go perfect like pearls on a string. This trip might have been Hunter’s perfect string.
Mellowtrax
10-19-10, 00:52
I would like to know what prices you guys usually pay for the "pros" advertising on Flirt? As far as I can see, prices start from UAH450 for the low-end, with an average price around UAH600. Now I have this chick, a bit too skinny in my taste but with a really slutty look (arf! arf!) so she might be an option. She quoted USD150 per hour (anal excluded), to which I replied I am not a thanksgiving turkey and there is no way I pay twice as much as the average price. She then retorted: at that price, simply the pictures are not real.
Am I right to think that she is bullshiting me?
She is bullshitting you. She quotes 150 USD per hour (anal excluded)? That’s just horrible. You might not find a similar girl to your taste at 75 USD, but remember: It all depends on your taste (what kind of girls you find attractive) and what kind of services you expect.
If you want a blonde, 18 year old bombshell offering everything you want (whatever that might be) you might not find many on the 75 USD shelf, but 150 USD? Never.
Mellowtrax
10-19-10, 01:04
Also i am brown in color 30 years (indian) with a decent look and dress very well so what kind of face control issue I am likely to get at the the above mentioned clubs. Is it a good idea to go early to the clubs or can I opt for the bottle service (buying a bottle or getting a table) which guarantees a sure entry like in the US. Does that system apply in Kiev as well? If it does any ideas how much it costs?I have seen all races in D’lux, Avalon and PaTiPa. I have never been to Buddha Bar or Shooters. Racial issues have previously been reported here regarding Shooters, so you might want to avoid that place. Or better yet. Go to the place and confirm/disconfirm if it’s a problem. If not, then great. If it is, then go to one of the other clubs. Personally, I don’t think race is the issue. Your clothes, money and attitude are.
The table system certainly applies in Kiev in D’lux, Arena, Avalon and most other clubs. Friday and Saturday most tables are “reserved”, meaning they have been sold for a certain amount. In these clubs I think the price goes from about 150 USD and up, maybe even starting from 200-250 USD. I have only had a table at D’lux (250 USD), so can’t really comment on the other clubs.
Money is not the issue - but my safetly is...I know some of the members might come back with mocking remarks on this but I was seriously considering hiring a body guard during my trip to clubs to kiev. Seniors - pro and cons of this would greatly help.The pros and cons are the same: You will attract attention to yourself, positive as well as negative, unless the bodyguard is not wearing a suit, sunglasses and earpiece like in the movies, of course. In your situation I’m not sure it will be a good idea to attract any unnecessary attention. If you think too much about safety all the time you will not be able to have a good time. Just be as alert as you would be on any other vacation in the world.
Since like I said - my safety is a big priority due the the skinhead problems in Kiev.What skinhead problem? You will find skinheads and other racists in all major cities in Europe/Eastern Europe, but it’s not a specific problem in Kiev.
You say it will be your first trip to Kiev. Then you will find all you need in the center of Kiev, around Baseina, Khreschatyk and Maidan. Take a taxi in the evening and try to find an apartment or hotel close to these streets/areas. There are many nice apartments for rent in the center, e.g. on Mykhailivskaya Street near Independence Square. The police have a head quarter on this street, so you will practically see policemen 24/7 close to this street.
HunterDave
10-19-10, 05:30
"I can at least back my trips up with fotos. Take a look at who has been posting fotos in the Kiev photo gallery. It may as well be dead, save a few of us."
None of the photos you posted prove that you were in the sack with the hottest hottie you're talking about.Sorebones,
Why don't you jump in to the nice talent with the rest of us in Kiev. I have read your few Kiev posts and wonder have you really done anything worth reporting? Or are you trying to send a post every once in awhile to get your numbers up for senior member status? How did you get to be a senior member, did you have to pay extra for that status?
I think Jackson should start everyone over at regular member staus and only if xx (say 5) number of members agree that a post is worth a s*** that it be counted toward senior member status and not just a bunch of worthless diatribe. Senoir status now means nothing. It should be given based on a merit system. There is so much worthless crapola on these threads! If we went with a merit system, maybe we can get most of this crap off the site.
Why don't you tell us about one of your trips and please do post a foto or 2 since you seem to think for a mongerer to post a conquest that he must show himself in the sack with the hottie. I believe that hiding the hottie's identity is just my style. I draw my line in posting here. Others see no harm on showing the face.
Sure I want to nail every one of them, but giving them the chance for 'plausible deniabilty' by hiding the face provides them that bit of secrecy in the event some idiot lurking on this site identifies a hottie and exposes her to family and friends. I do not want to subject them to that shame or ridicule. Again just my style.
I have the personal videos taken in my apartment of my fun in the sack which I keep for myself to enjoy. I have offered to other mongerers in the past that if we meet and they want to view a video, then I have no problem with that. A few have asked and observed some video in the past. But the videos are for me only! I posted some video freeze frames of my August trip to show my reports are not idle boasts.
I have others but do not make it a habit to show them all. Hell I do not even have the time to down load many of them as of yet. I use the same procedure each time, leave the camera out where they can see it in plain view and if I can remember to turn it on before I get attacked by the hottie I usually capture about 25 minutes of pleasure. I do not always capture all of the time in the sack, but ususally the foreplay, DFK, BBBJ and several of the positions. Much of the time if we go around the world (several times) thru all of the positions I lose a good bit of the sex session on tape. Guess I need a full video camera but my Nikon camera with video capability seems to meet my needs.
Standing by for your first 'real' meaningful post. Mind you I do not mean another idle post!
Hunter
Sorebones,
Why don't you jump in to the nice talent with the rest of us in Kiev. I have read your few Kiev posts and wonder have you really done anything worth reporting? Or are you trying to send a post every once in awhile to get your numbers up for senior member status? How did you get to be a senior member, did you have to pay extra for that status?
I think Jackson should start everyone over at regular member staus and only if xx (say 5) number of members agree that a post is worth a s*** that it be counted toward senior member status and not just a bunch of worthless diatribe. Senoir status now means nothing. It should be given based on a merit system. There is so much worthless crapola on these threads! If we went with a merit system, maybe we can get most of this crap off the site.
Why don't you tell us about one of your trips and please do post a foto or 2 since you seem to think for a mongerer to post a conquest that he must show himself in the sack with the hottie. I believe that hiding the hottie's identity is just my style. I draw my line in posting here. Others see no harm on showing the face.
Sure I want to nail every one of them, but giving them the chance for 'plausible deniabilty' by hiding the face provides them that bit of secrecy in the event some idiot lurking on this site identifies a hottie and exposes her to family and friends. I do not want to subject them to that shame or ridicule. Again just my style.
I have the personal videos taken in my apartment of my fun in the sack which I keep for myself to enjoy. I have offered to other mongerers in the past that if we meet and they want to view a video, then I have no problem with that. A few have asked and observed some video in the past. But the videos are for me only! I posted some video freeze frames of my August trip to show my reports are not idle boasts.
I have others but do not make it a habit to show them all. Hell I do not even have the time to down load many of them as of yet. I use the same procedure each time, leave the camera out where they can see it in plain view and if I can remember to turn it on before I get attacked by the hottie I usually capture about 25 minutes of pleasure. I do not always capture all of the time in the sack, but ususally the foreplay, DFK, BBBJ and several of the positions. Much of the time if we go around the world (several times) thru all of the positions I lose a good bit of the sex session on tape. Guess I need a full video camera but my Nikon camera with video capability seems to meet my needs.
Standing by for your first 'real' meaningful post. Mind you I do not mean another idle post!
HunterI said only yesterday, "I have no intension to compete with Kiev veterans. Even though I've been to Kiev 4 times and spent about 6 weeks all together, I consider myself to be a novice there and am just trying to learn the ropes by reading all these reports."
Does this mean I should keep my month shut? I think telling people what to say and not to say is completely irrelevant. This is a forum. Let's live with it.
There is no reasons for veterans to expect "meaningful" reports from a novice. 4 weeks in Kiev this summer was one of the best time I've ever had. But this doesn't mean I can offer new and useful info. Also, only truthful reports render meaningful.
Regarding my senior member status, I have no idea how it happened. When I posted my 26th post, I suddenly turned to "senior member." I didn't ask for it and don't even know what benefit a senior member gets.
"you seem to think for a mongerer to post a conquest that he must show himself in the sack with the hottie."
Your reports arose suspicions among some members, including myself, so I said what I said. It's a natural cause-effect. I thought your case was rather unusual that it warrants a proof.
"I believe that hiding the hottie's identity is just my style. I draw my line in posting here. Others see no harm on showing the face."
You've been hiding eyes of girls in your photos, so you shouldn't have any problems doing the same with the hottest of the hotties, right? I guess they are still coming.
If you can prove it, that's great! Even older men like us have chance to get young hotties for FREE in Kiev! If you can't, that's no big deals.
Greetings. Unlike some of my previous reports, I shall keep this one brief, sticking to the highlights, not providing a day by day, play by play. Previously, I, and others, have posted on the cheapest way to get from the airport to downtown (via the bus shuttle first and then the metro) and back (metro to the train station and then shuttle). We have also discussed the benefits of an apartment over a hotel. This s a report of the current situation, during the financial crisis, post-RP (RIP) Kiev.
In advance to my visit, I spent a lot of time, up to a month, on non-pro, semi-pro and pro web sites. I consider it cheap entertainment for a couple of hours at the end of the night. Things do get hectic in the week before travelling, as I try to make more concrete plans. By the way, the non pro sites include lucky lovers and Elena’s models, the semi-pro Mamba and the pros Vip-dosug, top models, Gia, and others mentioned here.
Hunter Dave, given his organizational skills, could easily run a presidential campaign. Maybe he has! In comparison, I am definitely organizationally challenged, despite all my preliminary work. Once you hit the ground, non-pros tell you that they are out of town for a few days, that they actually live in a neighbouring town, that they are too busy with work, that it is their birthday or their mother’s birthday, that they have developed flu-like symptoms, etc. Best case situation, from the time I woke up (11-12) to about 7:00 pm., I was mostly on my own. I was there for 10 days and managed no more that one non-pro date per day, on average. One day I had three, which made for a pretty stressful time, getting rid of one in time for the next. It is a hard balance, because you do not want to ditch one that might lead to something, even on the dame day or the next, but you do not want to screw up a new opportunity either. My last non-pro date was the night before I left. I did not tell her, of course, and we had a god time, but I will never see her again. I have told myself before that I would never come again to Kiev with “good” intentions, that is, to find a long-term partner, but the nice guy in me always comes through when I need him the least.
I suspect that even the nicest non-pro is in reality a semi-pro. Fridays and Saturdays I had dates that ended by about midnight. On one hand, I was happy they left me, because if they are really “nice” they will not put out at least until a second date, so I would not want to waste all night with a girl I just met. On the other hand, on a Friday or Saturday night, if the girl is not working the next day, I just do not believe it when a girl says she has to go home to sleep by about midnight. I figure she has something else to do, a boyfriend, or perhaps they were hard core pros just playing a dual strategy (same as me!).
Anyway, dealing with pros is also plagued by difficulties. I was going to add “unforeseen” difficulties, but in reality, I have come to expect them. These include (1) The bait and switch. What amazes me that in some cases they do to even try! In one occasion I ordered a tall short- haired slim blonde and I got a short-cubby black haired girl at my door. I just sent her home. NO, no taxi! She wasted MY time; she owes ME money! Another version is when the girls you want is not available, but they suggest someone else (whom you have not seen, of course) (2) the old photo, where the internet photo might have been her, but several years and Kilograms ago, (3) no BBBJ: it seems that there is a new movement in town, and pros are trying to give only covered BJs. Clinton was in town recently increasing awareness of STDs; maybe he had an effect, which is really ironic. Anyway, in several cases it was the one point where we failed to reach an agreement. (4) Changed price. On one occasion a chubbier version of the girl showed up, see number 2, and I was willing to do her, but then she wanted 800 Grn instead of the advertised 600 Grn. Go home, no taxi! (4) the phone disconnection: either the phone does not work, nobody answers, or when they do and hear English, they immediately disconnect you. (5) Too late in the night. I was using Gia as my back-up because I know that although the photos are re-touched, at least you get someone similar. I have tried Lillia, Elena and Zhana before, with very good results. But by the time I phoned, nobody was working any more. It seems Gia dates must be arranged and perhaps take place during the day. (6) Finally, the conflict with that time of the month: I picked up a beauty from Avalon, who insisted on a covered BJ but agreed to anal, which seemed like a fair trade-off, but warned me that I could not go down on her. We had to meet 4 days later instead. I also had a twosome about to start, with 2 semi-pro girls in my apartment, ready to go. Unlike hardened pros, they had not asked for money up-front and we had already started making out. While I was still making out with one they other went to the bathroom to clean up and realized that her period had started. That was the end of our games and a waste of my night but I got to them later in the week!
Finally, the gold digging semi-pros. I met an ignorant little 19 year old from who called herself “Bonita” on Mamba who, up meeting me, decided I was Turkish (I am not, not that there is anything wrong with that!), and then decided I had a Turkish accent (I do not, not that there is anything wrong with that). Her story was that her place had been broken into, and she needed a new camera, video camera, cell phone, etc. What she needs is a better security system or a better story. I promised her the world, took her for a drink, and somehow ended up getting what I wanted, and she got nothing form me, other than 2 drinks. Go figure! I also contacted Dana, who has been mentioned here before for drugging some poor guy. I am not sure how far I was going to take this one; maybe I like unnecessary risks. She had been out of town for a while so we did not connect until the day before I was going to leave. We talked on the phone and she sounded extremely nice, but she was supposedly busy that day and we agreed to meet the next day, the day I left. Oh, well, I just saved myself a lot of trouble. Finally, I also flirted with some girl from Elena’s models (Victoria, photos to be posted afterwards), who tried to run the restaurant scam on me. For rookies, this is how it goes. The girl shows no real interest in you until you inform her that you will be visiting. When you arrive, SHE starts phoning YOU! She suggests a date, and makes reservations at her favourite restaurant. She vehemently refuses to meet you at any other place. Of course, if you are foolish enough to meet her at her restaurant and order something, you will end up with a gigantic bill. I played it along, showed up 1 hour earlier at the restaurant to scout it and the prices, figured I could find better way to spend that kid of money and went off to a “date”, made her wait for met her at her restaurant for one hour, and then showed up. I took one long and careful look at her and told her she was just not my type, and walked out.
In general, sex can be had from 500 to 1000 Grn (at the time 1 USD = 8 Grv and 1 Euro = 11 Grn), but your mileage might vary, of course. Pretty young girls walking about in Kreshatik were offering themselves for 500 Grn, or 2 for 1000. Younger girls feel safer with a friend so the prices might be lower than otherwise.
From the internet, you can get the same, but as I described above, you will have to put up with a lot of frustration, and be ready to send a lot of girls home. Maybe it is best to order 5 or 6 at the same time, and just keep ordering and sending them home until you get one that looks like her photo or matches your specifications. From the internet, I had a cute 19 year old babe form Mamba for 800 Grn, who gave me great sex even stayed and cuddled for an hour after we had sex (these poor girls just need to feel loved sometimes!). I also had a PERFECT 22 year-old slim, tall, long-haired blue eyed blonde, also for 800 Grn, who gave me routine sex. I also had Malena (http://www.top-models.mx/?id=3761#f3) a supposedly 26 years old. But those photos are at least 5 years and 5 Kg. ago. Her lips were suffering from bad collagen injections, which made them lumpy and hard. To make things worse, she started complaining after about 15 minutes. Like it has been pointed out here, my purpose is to weed out the bad provides, not to share the diamonds that I was lucky enough to find.
Finally, a comment about the clubs in a post-RP era. I tried to go to D’lux, but it was just too pretentious for me. The cover charge (200) and a drink (at least 50), is already about half the price of good sex (if I get lucky!). I figure that if I went in, the best I cold hope for was to spend all night staring at gorgeous super-model types with their rich Russian boyfriends. I almost went in, but decided against it.
Avalon seems to have instated a no-pros policy while I was there. My first week there, it was PACKED with pros, some from the former RP. The second week, perfectly good girls were being turned down at the door, by the bouncer, even before they entered the building, and being asked for a membership card (costs 5000 Grn and NOBODY else has to have one to get in). I had a date with a semi-pro (whom I met there on my last trip), and we agreed to meet at Avalon, but she called me upset that she was not being allowed inside. A few days later I watched as perfectly pretty babes were turned away. I do not know the exact policy. It seems the ones being turned away were younger (under 23) and likely semi-pros. I later ran into some of these girls at the Caribbean. Anyway, later in the week there were still some hot babes in Avalon, and there were still a few pros, but there were way too many men, all crowded around the bar. I prefer it with non-, semi-, and pros mingle; the sex ratio is better and the prices are lower.
Girls like to dance and they LOVE to dance to Latin music. If you like to dance, there is not other choice but the Caribbean. Wednesday to Saturday, it is full of pretty young things willing to fuck anyone who will dance with them for a while. Yes, there are some hard core pros, but they just hang out by the side, not talking to anyone and not having any fun. Just avoid them! There is plenty of free or nearly free pussy to go around. Of course, you have to compete with guys who seem to be professional dancers, but there is only a handful of them, and they cannot monopolize all the girls. There is this old guy, at least 60, who is just amazing. He dances with any and every girl, using moves that must have taken decades to perfect, leaving the girls dizzy and euphoric, ready to spread their legs. Oddly, he has no game other than dancing, so he is unable to follow up, and goes home alone. Anyway, there are plenty of semi-pros who will go home with you for nothing or for highly reduced prices (500 Grv should do).
The only drawbacks I found were that (1) given that shooters does not allow Arabs (or anyone who looks like an Arab or has ever been to Arabia), Caribbean has become their haven. I have complete disdain for the racist policy at Shooters, and have nothing against Arabs, but I do not like any place where ANY ONE ethnicity is dominant. Besides, you would expect to see black and Latin people in a place called the Caribbean! With so many Arabs, invariably there are a few who make ALL Arabs look bad. The nights I attended, there was this guy who can only be described as a pot-bellied pig, and he and his group were obnoxiously acting as if he were Allah’s greatest gift to women. (2) the bouncers begging for tips as you leave the premises. Do they not have any self-respect? Perhaps they management should increase their wages! They surely make enough for everyone. (3) foreigners being overcharged for drinks. I do not mind how much it costs, but I do not like being ripped off. But in any case, otherwise it is a wonderful place. I was there for 3 nights and never did I walk out completely empty-handed. I wish there were a bar like that where I live. Total tally, 10 days, 10 non-pro dates (only dates) and 15 pro “dates”, average cost <200 and ~700 Grn per date, respectively.
I said only yesterday, "I have no intension to compete4 reading all these reports. "
If you can prove it, that's great! Even older men like us have chance to get young hotties for FREE in Kiev! If you can't, that's no big deals.With all due respect to every mongerer here, no one can provide proof that he had a Hottie for Free in Kiev, or anywhere else for that matter.
Even if he was to provide this make or break Proof. Does this mean that everyone heading to Kiev regardles of age & looks will be able to score with this hottie or others for Free?
Yes, they can. If they can provide Proof that there is such a thing as (Free Lunch).
Amen, brother!
Others question how many times you are able to pop in a day and some even question your existence!
My German teacher in high school once told me – when I interpreted a text completely wrong – that if I don't have anything intelligent to say, don't say anything at all. That's a piece of advice some people in here certainly can use. So many not contributing at all or appreciating the time and effort other put in our reports. Really sad.Although I never met Hunter, I am sure that he does exist.
INNA, actually met him before I interviewed her.
She didn't draw an Artist's impression of what hunter looked like., but her description resembles that of (Hunter on his Photos).
Brotherrabitt
10-19-10, 13:10
Spent another great week in Kyiv, however was not able to check out the bars so kindly suggested here. My friends put me in an apprt near TGI, too far from Podol to visit the places.
However, Monday next I will be back, and hopefully this time again in Podol.
Was a fairly quiet mongering week for me, visited the Buddha Bar a few times for a late night drink. Had a blast of an evening with two guys I met there, drinking like fish, left after a while together to go to Shooters. I had never been there, thought it was a shit hole, will not go back. I left, went to the Caribbean Club, met a nice 25 year old, "negotiated" a visit to my apprt for US100, she was nice, good GFE, and stayed for breakfast "seconds". Can't even remember her name, there are so many pretty young women for rent in Kyiv, if there would be a thread called 100 % skank free bars/clubs in Kiev, there would be a few posts only, everywhere else you find them.
"cultivated" and "harvested" a few of my mamba freebies, that game is strictly limited by available time, but what a lovely game it is ;).
Reading the posts of the last few days, seems that some of the ladies have pms again. So called experts who believe there is such as thing as the "absolute truth", pfff, grow up, get laid, or drunk, or married. The bickering bitches of ISG, waste of space.
Buddha Bar was full of p4p again, on each night I was there, also during the week. US200 is max what you need to pay, some start at US500, it's your money so you do what you want, but my experience is that US200 or sometimes even less, will do the trick. And each night more women than men, so better you guys stay away lest you disturb the supply & demand balance and make my negotiation position worse :). Or, by coming and increasing demand, supply will also increase, allowing for a wider choice ;). Whatever, do as you please, as long as you do not drink all my rum.
Have fun in Kyiv, it's a hell of a place.
Ciao
BR
Others question how many times you are able to pop in a day and some even question your existence!
ABez questioned post photos of the girls I had been with (My German teacher in high school once told me – when I interpreted a text completely wrong – that if I don't have anything intelligent to say, don't say anything at all. That's a piece of advice some people in here certainly can use. So many not contributing at all or appreciating the time and effort other put in our reports. Really sad.I don't question how many times Hunter Pops in 24 hours. But I wish that he leaves it out. I mean you can have a hard on & keep it up without actually needing to CUM everytime you have SEX.
I do it in Parties in London, where there are 7 hotties to do within2 hours.
Who can pop 7 times in 2 hours?
Besides he is setting up a very HIgh Bench Mark for others to achieve in Kiev including myself. I just hope my path in Kiev doesn't make me end up with his girls.
It would give me inferiority complex if I can't compete with him in the Sack.
Photos Business. I really can't understand this Obsession with taking Photos?
I go to Kiev on long weekends. Fri though Monday, take only hand luggage + holiday essentials & my hoilday phone.
THis is the cheapest piece of Nokia. No camera, but it does the communicatins.
But it does mean that without taking a camera or a phone with one, that I won't be able to take any photos. Well so what?
I am in Kiev to moger with as many girls as possible, not to set up Photo Shops, so I can post Photos Later here.
So this might mean (No Photos, No Mongering Done), comments.
But do I care? You bet what I think.
I did question BEZ on the other Areas thread, as to value of posting Photos without DATA, Location + Price, age. And whether the girl is avaiable to other Mongers.
But, very unusual for the legendary BEZ, he has gone all quiet.
Maybe he is busy digging up her details. Because I can't imagine the girl serving him with a Gagging Order or Sworn him to secrecy.
Even if she did. What's the the point then of posting the Photo in the first Place?
Like I said to him. What's in it for your Fellow Mongers?
Trust your German Teacher in your High School to be Organized & Straight Talking, like a lot of Germans.
My first encounter with a German Hooker was in my Late teens.
Found it difficult to relax due to nervers & Drinks. She got on top of me & told me, Don't Varry I have ways of making you CUM.
HUNTER, must have met the right girls in Kiev.
Cheers.
PS. Not only I don't post Photos. But I don't do any grammer or Spell checking + my writing style is crap compared to Hunter & others.
Never had to do much writing or Typing for a long time. But are we here to write Fucking Essays or Erotic Novels?
I have during my stay here, from time to time, had problems with girls not wanting to go to my place – the student's dorms. First it is a little bit too far away. Second they think that there will be other persons in the room. Third, they think that the standard is too low. Fourth, this is maybe not what they are dreaming of.
Another problem is that I always have to bribe the guard – and that tend to get expensive in the long run since they work on shift. So next night a new guard – and new expenses for me.
One of the professionals at RP, Lena (blonde, petite, always busy with customers, one of the smart girls), told me about this hotel/apartment complex open on a 24 hours-basis:
LEON.
Tel: (066) 111-2222; 517 29 01/517 72 62
www.Sauna-leon.com. Ua
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It's about five minutes from RP with a taxi – just make sure to order the taxi in advance (10 minutes or so), it will save you some money. The sharks waiting outside RP charges 100 grivnas, and they are not even thankful. Why don't people say "thank you" in this country?!
I tried out this place Friday morning, and it is perfect in my case – and I guess for all other mongers not wanting to struggle with stuck-up hotel personal. My room (no 6) had three bedrooms, sauna, some kind of pool, shower, and in the middle a billiard table, and a TV/stereo-set. All went for 243 grivna for one hour. I guess they have smaller rooms, since what's the need for three bedrooms if you come alone with a girl. I will check out this option next time busy.Ziggy. I did post here that this Site is addictive and more so, the threads On Kiev. Just like the city itself.
You did post last week or something. That you are a bit of a chicken., when you want to get girls to come back to your apartment. In case they turn up later and create a scene.
Well. I spent a bit of much precious time today trying to turn the Chicken in you into a Raging COCK.
Your accomodation needs for girls are solved.
Just read the above posted by our friend here, (Meashearim).
I don't think reading what he posted, he hails from that part of Jerusalem, Measshearim, although I swear by all GODS. That I encountered a man dressed in Full Orthodox gear in River Palace. Swaying with the Music with a glass in Hand.
I am sure he wasn't in drag. Couldn't tell whether he was Local or a hmmm, a Sex tourist like myself.
Maybe next time I go to some Club in Kiev. I might end up chatting a Tatar muslim girl from crimea, dressed in full Muslim Gear complete with a BURKKA, face Veil. That's no problem for me. But how can I judge her LOOKS?
Ziggy. You have been in Kiev long enough by now to have got your best friend wet a few times.
No more excuses.
AsianChaos
10-19-10, 15:52
I have seen all races in D’lux, Avalon and PaTiPa. I have never been to Buddha Bar or Shooters. Racial issues have previously been reported here regarding Shooters, so you might want to avoid that place. Or better yet. Go to the place and confirm/disconfirm if it’s a problem. If not, then great. If it is, then go to one of the other clubs. Personally, I don’t think race is the issue. Your clothes, money and attitude are.
The table system certainly applies in Kiev in D’lux, Arena, Avalon and most other clubs. Friday and Saturday most tables are “reserved”, meaning they have been sold for a certain amount. In these clubs I think the price goes from about 150 USD and up, maybe even starting from 200-250 USD. I have only had a table at D’lux (250 USD), so can’t really comment on the other clubs.So I should call and reserve a table and that will guarantee me an entry? Just to be in the safe side.
Also ranking the clubs that have the hottest girls - First on the list will be Shooters, Then D'lux, Then Avlaon, then Arena. Did I get that right?
Also what price can a absolute hotty ask for in the clubs for a whole night? I need to know what is their opening offer they ask potenial clients so that I can mentally prepare myself to negotiate accordingly. Since I a first timer there I would not want to spoil the market.
Also I have a cute 19yr old hot looking girl asking for USD150/hr and USD250 for 2 hours. Is that the going rate for hot mamba girls?
Thanks for your help.
Ok friends, I think I need an ISG intervention. I have been here 2 weeks and just yesterday sent a girl home on the airplane 's Sogone to salons in Tel Aviv or St Peter and like to do it that way. Having all the relevent info from PM's and mamba pro's (I have a hard time finding any semi's or freebies there, very little return) I can surely order a cost effective lady out to my apartment....
My only problem is I'm chicken. I know to send them back with 50 UAH if their pictures were p'shopped too hard. I use tineye, I know what ot do but I'm scared to have some weird woman show up in front of my apartment. She knows where I live and I have valuables here. I guess I just need someone to talk me through it. I don't feel that there are any good salons here so I'm going to have to get over my feer. I swear once I get laid (there is no rush I'm here to stay) picking up freebies should be easier since the smell of desperation will have been, even if temporarily, cleansed from my person.I think I solved this problem for you.
I posted a report by Meashearim on where to take the girls.
I don't know whether I clicked on the right button or not.
Just having few drinks with the guys before the Football match of My (scouting girl's) Football team (Shakhtar Donetsk). Someone told us they are playing in London.
She does the scouting & talent spotting for me in UA, and I do the cheering for her home team here in London.
My only problem with bringing girls back to an apartment. Is I can't sleep in the same bed with all the mess they leave behined.
In my hotel, I just call room service. Or on occasionsi I get another Room for Action.
Steve Naive
10-19-10, 18:57
Greetings. Unlike some of my previous reports, I shall keep this one briefYow! I'd love to see what you call a LONG one then! Thanks for posting BTW.
Steve Naive
10-19-10, 18:59
I think Jackson should start everyone over at regular member staus and only if xx (say 5) number of members agree that a post is worth a s*** that it be counted toward senior member statusI'd love to see a "Useful / Not Useful" button like Amazon, or a "Like" like Facebook, and the ability to filter based on same. But I don't think such improvements are likely here.
Mellowtrax
10-19-10, 22:08
Photos Business. I really can't understand this Obsession with taking Photos?
I am in Kiev to moger with as many girls as possible, not to set up Photo Shops, so I can post Photos Later here.
So this might mean (No Photos, No Mongering Done), comments.
But do I care? You bet what I think.
I did question BEZ on the other Areas thread, as to value of posting Photos without DATA, Location + Price, age. And whether the girl is avaiable to other Mongers.
But, very unusual for the legendary BEZ, he has gone all quiet.
Maybe he is busy digging up her details. Because I can't imagine the girl serving him with a Gagging Order or Sworn him to secrecy.
Even if she did. What's the the point then of posting the Photo in the first Place?
Like I said to him. What's in it for your Fellow Mongers?
PS. Not only I don't post Photos. But I don't do any grammer or Spell checking + my writing style is crap compared to Hunter & others.
Never had to do much writing or Typing for a long time. But are we here to write Fucking Essays or Erotic Novels?
Jojo,
It’s a funny thing about posting photos. Do we do it as a service to fellow mongers? Sure. This way other can see if the girls are to his liking and might ask for her digits. However, I think the main reason is personal satisfaction; to show other our “preys”, the result of the hunt.
My main reason for taking photos of the girls is not to post them here. I do it to have something nice to look at when I’m home and help bringing back memories of good times. Photos do help illustrate a report, though, and might give the reader a better impression of the events.
However, there are some girls, whose photos I will not post in here. Freebies are some of them. I keep them to myself, so there is no reason to post their photos on a public forum. I don’t post photos of girls who are already familiar with this site either. I have met two girls who were already familiar with ISG, so it would be pretty stupid to post their photos if they told me not to. At least if I want to hook up with them again. The rest I have no problem with. I just don’t post their data and digits in public, only in PM’s to people whom I like and also contribute to keep ISG going.
Regarding writing style. Some guys DO like to read long reports and erotic novels. Other guys prefer only basic and essential information. Take a look in the “Germany – FKK Clubs” thread. It’s filled with long and very detailed reports, and these kinds of reports seem to be very popular.
Even though you don’t do any grammar or spell checking your contribution in here is highly appreciated. Personally, I always enjoy reading your reports.
Mellowtrax
10-19-10, 22:41
So I should call and reserve a table and that will guarantee me an entry? Just to be in the safe side.
Also ranking the clubs that have the hottest girls - First on the list will be Shooters, Then D'lux, Then Avlaon, then Arena. Did I get that right?
Also what price can a absolute hotty ask for in the clubs for a whole night? I need to know what is their opening offer they ask potenial clients so that I can mentally prepare myself to negotiate accordingly. Since I a first timer there I would not want to spoil the market.
Also I have a cute 19yr old hot looking girl asking for USD150/hr and USD250 for 2 hours. Is that the going rate for hot mamba girls?
Thanks for your help.
AC,
There are only two guarantees here in life; the one is death, the other is morning wood. However, you should be pretty safe if you prepay for the table.
I think it’s meaningless to rank the clubs like you want to do. Believe me, you will find more hot girls in all the clubs that you can handle. What’s the point in ranking the clubs when you only need one hot girl (maybe two) to bring back to your place?
Like said before, prices vary, all depending on the situation, the girl and the services you want. Some girls might start with 300 USD, some girls with 500 USD. It’s your job to negotiate the price down to an acceptable level for yourself. If you want to pay 300 USD for a whole night, then do it, just as long as she meets your expectations and you are satisfied. But why pay 300 USD for a whole night if you can get it for 200 USD or less?
150 USD (1200 UAH) for 1 hour and 250 USD (2000 UAH) for 2 hours is way too much. It’s certainly not the going rate on Mamba, at least not in my book.
Jojo,
Even though you don’t do any grammar or spell checking your contribution in here is highly appreciated. Personally, I always enjoy reading your reports.Thank You Buddy.
I swear by my best friend (Down Below) & I am sitting here in my Local bar watching the Ua team Donetsk Playing an English Team, that I am the only one cheering The Ukrainian Team.
One agitated English fan came up to me & he said What's in it for you Pal?.
I said to (myself), a lot of Holes to fill in when I get back to Kiev.
I can sctrach your girls backs. If they scratch Mine.
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In my excitement, I forgot the best part. I discovered a great scam: teaching English. Hundreds of English schools across Kiev are always in need of native speakers to run "speaking clubs". These are basically, one one-hour sessions in which people come to talk with a native speaker. If you are a "native" English speaker, particularly with some experience in the educational system, they will gladly have you leading one of these sessions. Just phone up a few schools ask for a job, and soon you will have a paid gig (100-200 Grn/hr.). Of course, do not tell them that you will leave tomorrow, and be willing to do one session for free. Anyway, these clubs are attended by professional people, mostly young women, who come just from the office in their "sexy office girl" outfits. Truly outstanding! Just pick your favourite(s) at the end of the class and suggest that you can continue the session at the bar across the street. From there it is up to you to see how far you can take it!
And I should mention that regardless of how many girls one gets in a given time period, how much you pay, or whether one finds true love among them, the real attraction of Kiev is the thousands of gorgeous women who litter the streets nearly 24 hours per day. Okay, there is a period from about 2:00 am to 8:00 am, when there are not that many girls out there, but otherwise it is absolutely magnificent! Just sit back and enjoy the show!
Hi dear Mongers,
I just arrived in Kiev and found out, i forgot my V-Pills. Is it easy to buy Viagra in Kiev?
I also forgot my 2nd phone and need to buy a used or cheap phone.
Any ideas?
Easyease
Gentlemen,
Will be heading into Kiev Ukraine for the first time in about 2 weeks and have read the forum extensively but nobody seems to give any rating to the best places to go.
If price was not the factor how would the seniors rank the following club in terms of having the best looking women while keeping easy entry into the clubs in mind also including the best time to go so I can watch the crowd come in.
Shooters, Budha bar, Avelon, Praptip, D/luxe.
Also i am brown in color 30 years (indian) with a decent look and dress very well so what kind of face control issue I am likely to get at the the above mentioned clubs. Is it a good idea to go early to the clubs or can I opt for the bottle service (buying a bottle or getting a table) which guarantees a sure entry like in the US. Does that system apply in Kiev as well? If it does any ideas how much it costs?
Money is not the issue - but my safetly is...I know some of the members might come back with mocking remarks on this but I was seriously considering hiring a body guard during my trip to clubs to kiev. Seniors - pro and cons of this would greatly help.
Since like I said - my safety is a big priority due the the skinhead problems in Kiev.
Your comments gentlemen.Hi AC.
I had a look on your previous posts here, and can see that you are already a global mongerer with a lot of useful input into this board.
My 2 cents on your questions.
!. Money is not the issue.but your safety is, as you put it.
2You seem to be concerned about face Control at Clubs & guaranteed entry to the best clubs.
This is your first visit to Kiev & you say that you are staying there for 5 days. So to get the max of your stay with the Min effort & organization.
Here is what I would do myself, if Money wasn't an Issue.
Arrange a meet & greet Attractive female guide & interpreter at the Airport to assist you there.
She would be accompanied by a driver with a reliable new car to take you to Your Apartment or hotel. Choice is yours
This can be done by yourself, but for max benefit, it would be easier to get it done through the Same company.
Once you are in your new base in Kiev.. You can do a Welcoming & familiarising City guide. Again with an attractive female & a driver.
Total cost for this trip City tour which is optional of course is US$ 200 for 8 hours.
US$ 25 per hour.
Driver + Female interpreter US$ 145 for 4 hours.
Female interpreter + social companion US$ 120 for 4 hours.
There are 2 Companies who do this package In Kiev. They do have offices in Kiev, and one of them an Office in the Uk as well.
For Guaranteed entry to the Best clubs. This company can arrange this as well with an Attractive Female interpreter Companion & get a VIP welcome at all the Top club.
They can quote the cost for you per hour or per Night.
You can Change the interpreters & companions. If you want different ones the following nights.
Independent attractive Female interpreters Charge in the region of US$ 10 per hour. But bear in mind they do not have the connections to the TopClubs, nor Driver body guard 2 into one.
No. I don't work for any of the above, nor have I used them before.
Money was an issue & is an issue for me when deciding on Mongering holidays & flights.
Further comments on the above suggestions are most Welcome.
Hi dear Mongers,
I just arrived in Kiev and found out, i forgot my V-Pills. Is it easy to buy Viagra in Kiev?
I also forgot my 2nd phone and need to buy a used or cheap phone.
Any ideas?
EasyeaseIf you didn't post that you have just arrived in Kiev, and found out no V_Pills on you. You wouldn't heve got my Idea.
JUST check on(Hunter Dave) posts a bit down here. He bought some generic Viagra in Kiev. He gives the Name & Address + Price.
He even posted what the G V Packet looks like.
They work wonders on him. Made him POP Five times in 24 hours.
I will try & break his record when I am In Kiev.
Mellowtrax
10-20-10, 21:00
Hi dear Mongers,
I just arrived in Kiev and found out, i forgot my V-Pills. Is it easy to buy Viagra in Kiev?
I also forgot my 2nd phone and need to buy a used or cheap phone.
Any ideas?
Easyease
It’s easy, but expensive to buy real Viagra in Kiev. You can get it in any “Apteka”, but have to pay +400 UAH for 4 pills. A cheaper alternative (about 120 UAH for 4 pills) is mentioned here by HunterDave: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=1061695#post1061695
If you need a phone, just go into one the many hundreds mobile shops in the underground. You can get a cheap, but decent phone for 250-300 UAH.
Happy hunting :)
Is it really worth it? I was there. Sushi costs 40 euro for two persons and every girl wants sushi. They expect presents. Cocktails cost 10 euro each and you have to buy one for everyone of her friends. You have to compete against the Arabs who spend sensesely and the Turks who grab the girls from the hands and bring them to their company. You are very likely to enter physical fight with ukrainian men during pick up. All girls know the game and exploit foreigners.
Mamba freebies do not appear or make mental calls or are clearly after free drinks and meals. They are totally unreliable. Everyone has soviet mentality.
So is Kiev really worth for freebies? Especially when there are so many other cheaper and easier places?
In my opinion the golden dawn of the crisis in 2009 is now over. Kiev has returned to the 2008 situation where most girls digging foreigners were scammers.
HunterDave
10-20-10, 23:16
Hunter Dave
Thanks for your great and useful reports. About true or not true reports I think it is a question of Luck and Talent at the same time. If someone doesn't succeed doesn't mean that all the other guys are the same. May be someone is more talented and more experienced especially in the ukrainian girl mentality plus other facts like looks, language and knowing how to play the game. In my few visits to Kiev I had some sucesses and failures but every time I had more successes as I have more experience in the langauge and in the game playing. And if I go more and more I will have more sucesses I hope as Hunter Dave do.
This is simply my point of view. Go on Hunter Dave and keep reporting.Me and You,
Sure. Preparing to succeed by doing one's research in advance with multiple options when on the ground can reduce one's failure quotient and improve one's odds of success and the hope that luck will be on his side. But failing to prepare can doom one's plans from the git go.
Hope we can time a trip together so we can learn from each other's mongering tactics. I find one can always learn from another mongerer if he is receptive to learning. Good hunting! Clearly some think I am a bit too detailed in my reports so I will modify my reporting to keep the forum happier.
Hunter
Brotherrabitt
10-21-10, 08:02
Is it really worth it? I was there. Sushi costs 40 euro for two persons and every girl wants sushi. They expect presents. Cocktails cost 10 euro each and you have to buy one for everyone of her friends. You have to compete against the Arabs who spend sensesely and the Turks who grab the girls from the hands and bring them to their company. You are very likely to enter physical fight with ukrainian men during pick up. All girls know the game and exploit foreigners.
Mamba freebies do not appear or make mental calls or are clearly after free drinks and meals. They are totally unreliable. Everyone has soviet mentality.
So is Kiev really worth for freebies? Especially when there are so many other cheaper and easier places?
In my opinion the golden dawn of the crisis in 2009 is now over. Kiev has returned to the 2008 situation where most girls digging foreigners were scammers.
What you write is probably all true, in any case it's your experience, therefore valid, I also do not look at Kiev through pink glasses, however for me it is balanced by a shitload of very good experiences, with highly educated, non materialistic women, who are just looking for a good time and are not interested in expensive food, drinks, presents or whatever.
In my experience, Kiev is not very different from other cities/countries in this regard. Different categories of women everywhere I think.
Just as a matter of interest, and certainly no flame intended, what are the cheaper and easier places you mentioned ? Always interested in broadening my horizon :).
Have fun.
BR
Clearly some think I am a bit too detailed in my reports so I will modify my reporting to keep the forum happier.
HunterHunter.
We are all here as Volunteers for the great cause.
No one here is paid to post his experiences, nor is this Site with all this great info is a paid Site.
I get on here like I said because I enjoy it. I don't treat it as a slanging, bickering match, or to prove something.
WE all have different writing styles. A lot of mongers here their First Language is Not English.
Mine, is Sign and Body language, which I Practise on some Kiev Girls who I think their first word when they there Babies, was MONEY, not. Mummy, MOTHER.
You just carry on the way you like writing. If I & others here think its too detailed, they can skip the in the Sack details, or as you have suggested many times to(others) to put you on their ignore list.
You don't need to modify anything, or to keep anyone here happy.
After all you are not a Mongering Nanny, are you?
In my excitement, I forgot the best part. I discovered a great scam: teaching English. Hundreds of English schools across Kiev are always in need of native speakers to run "speaking clubs". These are basically, one one-hour sessions in which people come to talk with a native speaker. If you are a "native" English speaker, particularly with some experience in the educational system, they will gladly have you leading one of these sessions. Just phone up a few schools ask for a job, and soon you will have a paid gig (100-200 Grn/hr.). Of course, do not tell them that you will leave tomorrow, and be willing to do one session for free. Anyway, these clubs are attended by professional people, mostly young women, who come just from the office in their "sexy office girl" outfits. Truly outstanding! Just pick your favourite(s) at the end of the class and suggest that you can continue the session at the bar across the street. From there it is up to you to see how far you can take it!
And I should mention that regardless of how many girls one gets in a given time period, how much you pay, or whether one finds true love among them, the real attraction of Kiev is the thousands of gorgeous women who litter the streets nearly 24 hours per day. Okay, there is a period from about 2:00 am to 8:00 am, when there are not that many girls out there, but otherwise it is absolutely magnificent! Just sit back and enjoy the show!I agree with you completely on the Second part of your Post. The Eye Candy.
But equally you can say the same thing about a Lot of Scandinavian cities & Towns in the summer.
But Kiev wins hands up& down on Prices, and availabilty of the Candy on show. That's why we head to Kiev.
The first part about moonlighting or volunteering by Teaching English In Kiev, is more suited to someone on a Longer stay in Kiev. With time on their hands
Again here Age, Charm, looks factors play the bigger part in scoring.
INMHO. Just picking up one's favourite from the class and heading with her to the nearest Bar and hoping to end up with her in the sack sooner rather than later, is just a bit of wishful thinking.
And more so, if its the monger's last night in Kiev.
I would rather head to British or Irish Pubs, where the Girls are already there, and much better still if they are half drunk anyway.
TWO into ONE. Saving time & money.
Mitsos1970
10-21-10, 10:54
Does anybody have experience from Rakuena massage parlor?
Jojo,
It’s a funny thing about posting photos. Do we do it as a service to fellow mongers? Sure. This way other can see if the girls are to his liking and might ask for her digits. However, I think the main reason is personal satisfaction; to show other our “preys”, the result of the hunt.
My main reason for taking photos of the girls is not to post them here. I do it to have something nice to look at when I’m home and help bringing back memories of good times. Photos do help illustrate a report, though, and might give the reader a better impression of the events.
However, there are some girls, whose photos I will not post in here. Freebies are some of them. I keep them to myself, so there is no reason to post their photos on a public forum. I don’t post photos of girls who are already familiar with this site either. I have met two girls who were already familiar with ISG, so it would be pretty stupid to post their photos if they told me not to. At least if I want to hook up with them again. The rest I have no problem with. I just don’t post their data and digits in public, only in PM’s to people whom I like and also contribute to keep ISG going.
Regarding writing style. Some guys DO like to read long reports and erotic novels. Other guys prefer only basic and essential information. Take a look in the “Germany – FKK Clubs” thread. It’s filled with long and very detailed reports, and these kinds of reports seem to be very popular.
Even though you don’t do any grammar or spell checking your contribution in here is highly appreciated. Personally, I always enjoy reading your reports.
I totally agree with you, posting a photo is a fun and like getting a hunting "trophy"... so I posted lots, but I have pivate ones as you too...
Must say that some girls are happy about that, and you might to get out more from them... (got several messages asking for numbers as I did...). Some are not at all... some are so so some do not know...
And of course some you get some mementoes of nice days... and what you have done or found...
So I'll post some mementoes in the photo section on Other Interests... some are seen some not..
Just My two cents
IT
Originally Posted by Meashearim
Quote:
One of the professionals at RP, Lena (blonde, petite, always busy with customers, one of the smart girls), told me about this hotel/apartment complex open on a 24 hours-basis:
LEON.
Tel: (066) 111-2222; 517 29 01/517 72 62
www.Sauna-leon.com. Ua
Un Quote.
The link above is no longer working.
A week before RP left the scene, a girl there told me about "sauna" in the outskirts of Kiev, where you can stay in a room with a sauna all night for something like 20 USD. Does anyone know about this type of accommodation in Kiev?
Just as a matter of interest, and certainly no flame intended, what are the cheaper and easier places you mentioned ? Always interested in broadening my horizon :).As a cheaper place, Tashkent comes to mind.
In my excitement, I forgot the best part. I discovered a great scam: teaching English. Hundreds of English schools across Kiev are always in need of native speakers to run "speaking clubs". These are basically, one one-hour sessions in which people come to talk with a native speaker. If you are a "native" English speaker, particularly with some experience in the educational system, they will gladly have you leading one of these sessions. Just phone up a few schools ask for a job, and soon you will have a paid gig (100-200 Grn/hr.). Of course, do not tell them that you will leave tomorrow, and be willing to do one session for free. Anyway, these clubs are attended by professional people, mostly young women, who come just from the office in their "sexy office girl" outfits. Truly outstanding! Just pick your favourite(s) at the end of the class and suggest that you can continue the session at the bar across the street. From there it is up to you to see how far you can take it!
And I should mention that regardless of how many girls one gets in a given time period, how much you pay, or whether one finds true love among them, the real attraction of Kiev is the thousands of gorgeous women who litter the streets nearly 24 hours per day. Okay, there is a period from about 2:00 am to 8:00 am, when there are not that many girls out there, but otherwise it is absolutely magnificent! Just sit back and enjoy the show!
"the real attraction of Kiev is the thousands of gorgeous women who litter the streets nearly 24 hours per day."
As much as I like Kiev and don't want to spoil the sport, if I were to just look at the street scene IN SUMMER with jawdropping girls, I would much prefer Drottninggatan in Stockholm or Karl Johans Gate in Oslo than Khreschtatyk.
Indeed I prefer Scandinavian looks to Slavic looks. The only reason I come to Kiev is because there ARE still some or even many Scandinavian looking girls in Kiev. After all Kiev was founded by Vikings, as evidenced by the statue in the Maydan Nezaleznosti and another one on the Dnipro.
P4P is a different matter in these Scandinavian countries, so I don't go there for P4P :( .
Does anybody have experience from Rakuena massage parlor?Another member who just can't either do a search and/or RTFF!
There has been quite a bit written about this recently. How about if you move your lazy-assed fingers on your keyboard and use a brain cell or two?
You don't need to modify anything, or to keep anyone here happy. After all you are not a Mongering Nanny, are you?But I am the Mongering Nanny!
Forum readers will know about my very serious doubts about Hunter's logistics since we have rightfully and politely argued our viewpoints. I will grant one perfect visit but no more than that. It flies in the face of everything that is Kiev and its ladies.
I suggest that readers actually refer to Stevie69's report of 10-19 as one much more typical and a very honest and realistic report of normal events here.
I also know I don't want to read about Hunter's self-proclaimed "superman" sexual exploits in detail. All his orgasms are spectacular, all the ladies come and come and come from his grand capabilities to bring them to a climax fitting an empress.
Give me a break. It is nothing but cheap trashy porno-novel exaggeration. Again, I ask the reader to compare Hunter's writings and his claims with their own experiences and judge it based on that. Hunter should know he is not writing for a bunch of 15-year olds but with very experienced mongers who can smell out fact from fiction.
As for how many times a day I can come, I can and do exceed Hunter's numbers and WITHOUT any chemical assistance - and I am older.
I agree with you completely on the Second part of your Post. The Eye Candy.
But Kiev wins hands up& down on Prices, and availabilty of the Candy on show. That's why we head to Kiev.
The first part about moonlighting or volunteering by Teaching English In Kiev, is more suited to someone on a Longer stay in Kiev. With time on their hands
Again here Age, Charm, looks factors play the bigger part in scoring.Jojo. that is why I am here, the constant Eye Candy that I get to taste all of the time! So many women, so little time.
I have a regular job but I do know those who teach English have a first shot at the ladies who learn.
However, the real key is knowing Russian or Ukrainian. Just that alone makes my pickings from the ENTIRE female population given the real fact that only a tiny percent of the entire female population actually have some knowledge of English.
There are likely only a few thousand girls in the clubs and on Mamba who you will possibly be able to interact with. In my case, it is potentially in the millions! I love those numbers.
What you write is probably all true, in any case it's your experience, therefore valid, I also do not look at Kiev through pink glasses, however for me it is balanced by a shitload of very good experiences, with highly educated, non materialistic women, who are just looking for a good time and are not interested in expensive food, drinks, presents or whatever.
In my experience, Kiev is not very different from other cities/countries in this regard. Different categories of women everywhere I think.
Just as a matter of interest, and certainly no flame intended, what are the cheaper and easier places you mentioned ? Always interested in broadening my horizon :).
Have fun.
BRI don't know if you have been in Kiev one year or 7 years ago or if you have been in the provinces.It depends what you look for.The whole point in Kiev is if you can lay a freebie on one night stand without having to pay more than 50 euro that you pay on a mamba girl.Also if you can have a model like girl from deLuxe or Decadence without spending more than 100 euro on dates and presents.And if it is possible to pick up girls on the street and get dates and lays with them.
All these were possible in the past and are still in other places.If I have to compete against 100 Arabs and 50 Turks in a club in a battle to get the hot models and spend like 60 year old Americans who I saw buying golden cosmetics and expensive perfumes for 20 year old hot Blondynki then it is not worth the effort.
I don't know how many of you have tried this picking up on the street during weekend stay or trying to pick up girls in upscale clubs but you really need to be very tough to manage the whole situation.
Best you stay home.You don't need a bodyguard here. That is overdoing it to the extreme. This is a very safe city.
In fact, a visible bodyguard walking with you at 2 AM on Khreshchatyk may bring out the worst tendencies in the people you have to fear most, the militsia.
The militsia and not the skin-heads are the ones you need to fear the most since they are the finest of all shake-down and bribe artists here excepting the traffic police. However, unless you resist, all they want is some cash. A bodyguard means even more cash.
If you resist, then you may well end up with a painful nightstick headache caused by your "falling to the floor while drunk!"
But I am the Mongering Nanny!
Hunter should know he is not writing for a bunch of 15-year olds but with very experienced mongers who can smell out fact from fiction.
- and I am older.Old Boy.
You don't need to tell me that you are the Bloody Mongering Nanny here.
As it happens I have a good memory & I remember the time when I asked you a question about Salons in Kiev or something, and you replied in no uncertain terms. (Just read Borat 69 reports & do exactly as he says.).
Followed by. (Do you want us to Change your Nappies as well?.).
Well, being the rebel with many causes as I am. I read & enjoyed Borat's reports, but didn't do a lot of the things that he posted.
And I saved hundreds of $$$$.
And the second time, when I didn't listen to our Mongering Nanny here.
Was around Nov 09, when you were heading out of Kiev on a Long Holiday.
(DID You Do A Runner?). Which coincided with the Swine Flu Epidemic. And our Nanny with good intentions, was trying to talk me out of Heading to Kiev, and if I was still deterimined to go, to bring a lot of Surgical Masks, as they were flying of the shelves in Kiev.
What did baby JOJO do? Being the very Naughty Baby. Just headed to Kiev during the height of the crises.
And Saved hundreds more hard earned $$$$.
I was one of the top Stars in River Palace. It was a WIN, Win, Situation.
Only thing I didn't do at that time was FK or worse DFK.
But had huge discounts for every thing Else.
Now you tell us that not only, you are a Mongering Nanny, but an Older One as Well. A Bloody Old Nanny as well.
If you you can smell fact from Fiction. Can you do (Duck Testing here?). On other posters on the Kiev Thread?
Or, are you too obsessed analayzing (Hunter's reports), to have escaped you that some posters here, although posting what might seem like facts, are in fact, not 2 differnet posters but the same one?
Before I do the Duck Test. On them here., I thought I give it few more days.
As a cheaper place, Tashkent comes to mind.I hope they don't have Sushi Bars there?
I only go for girls who love eating big Chunks of Meat.
Tashkent = Big chunks of meat. Shashlick, Right?
Originally Posted by Meashearim
Quote:
One of the professionals at RP, Lena (blonde, petite, always busy with customers, one of the smart girls), told me about this hotel/apartment complex open on a 24 hours-basis:
LEON.
Tel: (066) 111-2222; 517 29 01/517 72 62
www.Sauna-leon.com. Ua
Un Quote.
The link above is no longer working.
A week before RP left the scene, a girl there told me about "sauna" in the outskirts of Kiev, where you can stay in a room with a sauna all night for something like 20 USD. Does anyone know about this type of accommodation in Kiev?This is not a Trick Question.
But why do i get the feeling that Meashearim won't be reading what you posted?
I totally agree with you, posting a photo is a fun and like getting a hunting "trophy"... so I posted lots, but I have pivate ones as you too...
Must say that some girls are happy about that, and you might to get out more from them... (got several messages asking for numbers as I did...). Some are not at all... some are so so some do not know...
And of course some you get some mementoes of nice days... and what you have done or found...
So I'll post some mementoes in the photo section on Other Interests... some are seen some not..
Just My two cents
ITAnd the thing is. I couldn't agree with you more.
I was only commenting on my situation when I head to Kiev.
Cheap skate when it comes to flying. Read Budget Airlines.
Only hand luggage. Work & domestic issues dictate I only go for 3 Nights max, a long Weelend.
I don't do all nights. Only short time.
So really, no opportunity to take Photos with my Anti mugging Phone, that no mugger even wants to Rob me of.
I really love looking at the Photos that you post.
So, keep them coming.
I do post links as well, but not the Photos that I have taken.
Does anybody have experience from Rakuena massage parlor?
I was there last month and was closed BUT on the phone they gave me the new location not too far away. Anyway no chance for sex and was only massage with Happy end but with really nice women
AsianChaos
10-22-10, 00:57
You don't need a bodyguard here. That is overdoing it to the extreme. This is a very safe city.
In fact, a visible bodyguard walking with you at 2 AM on Khreshchatyk may bring out the worst tendencies in the people you have to fear most, the militsia.
The militsia and not the skin-heads are the ones you need to fear the most since they are the finest of all shake-down and bribe artists here excepting the traffic police. However, unless you resist, all they want is some cash. A bodyguard means even more cash.
If you resist, then you may well end up with a painful nightstick headache caused by your "falling to the floor while drunk!"
Thanks for the advice..that is what everyone is recommending...so I think I will drop that idea. Cheers!
AsianChaos
10-22-10, 01:03
Hi AC.
There are 2 Companies who do this package In Kiev. They do have offices in Kiev, and one of them an Office in the Uk as well.
For Guaranteed entry to the Best clubs. This company can arrange this as well with an Attractive Female interpreter Companion & get a VIP welcome at all the Top club.
They can quote the cost for you per hour or per Night.
You can Change the interpreters & companions. If you want different ones the following nights.
Independent attractive Female interpreters Charge in the region of US$ 10 per hour. But bear in mind they do not have the connections to the TopClubs, nor Driver body guard 2 into one.
No. I don't work for any of the above, nor have I used them before.
Money was an issue & is an issue for me when deciding on Mongering holidays & flights.
Further comments on the above suggestions are most Welcome.
Thanks Jojosun, for the detailed information.
I am there for 5 days and have some work as well to do so sightseeing will not be an option that I feel due to meetings planned out.
When you say the companies can provide VIP welcome at the clubs - do you have a website or do you have contact details?
In a club what is the opening bid of the hottest girls - it would help if I knew as then I can decide on the negotiation strategy.
Thanks.
Mellowtrax
10-22-10, 01:10
sunday
at 12:25 i arrived at boryspil airport for the 5th time this year.
on the flight to kiev i was handed the traditional registration form. i got confused, since the registration form was not necessary on my last trip in september. usually passport control take the left side of the form (arrival) and you get to keep the other half, stamped by passport control, but this time i got the entire registration form back unstamped.
anyhow, passport control and luggage pickup were done within 15 minutes and i headed to the arrival hall and found my driver from ua apartments, who took me to my apartment on 19 baseina street (price for transfer was 35 usd, price for apartment was 84 usd for a nice 1 bedroom apartment with jacuzzi). after settling in i repeated the usual procedure: exchanging money and buying supplies. last month the € exchange rate was around 10. last week it was around 11 with 11.10 at the highest, so without any effort i got 10 % more value for my money. nice! the $ exchange rate seems to be stucked at 7,94, though.
back in my apartment (located in the same building as the ua apartments office) i called the first girl in my line-up to confirm our agreement. contact info for this girl was giving to me by another member of this forum, but on condition that i don’t mention her name or data or post her photos in here. we agreed to meet at 6 pm. usually, i don’t give the door code and apartment number to girls i have not met before, but she was told to be very reliable, why i did an exception.
she was on time and just like i expected; pretty face, petite body and well dressed. however, she was a bit shy and very submissive, things i didn’t expect. after first round we went out to get something to eat at a nearby restaurant and then back to the apartment for second round. at this time i was pretty tired and not able to pop again, so we went to sleep. after morning sex she left around 8:30 am.
services: dfk, bbbj, rimming, anal, swallow, golden rain (to her)
damage: 190 usd (1500 uah) for the night
value: excellent. she was not a stunner, but very naughty
monday
monday evening i met with a possible freebie. we made contact on mamba and just agreed to meet for dinner. we agreed to meet in front of khreschatyk metro station, a 15 minute walk from my apartment. but what a walk! i estimate the distance from the start of khreschatyk street to khreschatyk metro station to be 500 meters. somewhere around halfway i always lose count of how many gorgeous women i’ve seen. and standing in front of the metro station is even better… so much fuckable material going in and out of the station. yeah, i love this city!
i was pleasantly surprised when i finally met with my pf; blond hair, very pretty face, big tits and slim body. we went to a nearby restaurant (can’t remember the name) with a german october fest theme, meaning lot of sausages and beer on the menu. we had a pleasant time together, but she was very tired after working all day, so around 9:30 pm we said goodbye, but agreed to meet another day. i didn’t expect to get lucky with her on the first date, but did expect the date to last longer, so i had to use my backup plan.
i called yulia, the girl i also met with during my july trip. she was ready to meet and said she could bring a girlfriend. i agreed. yulia and natasha arrived around 10:45 pm. yulia is easy on the eye, but natasha was not my type of girl. she did have blonde hair and big tits, which i like, but also a big ass and some belly. however, i was horny and ready for some lesbian action and let them both in. finally i got to experience some real lesbian action and not a lame ass “lesbi show” only involving kissing and touching like in july with two other girls.
services: dfk, bbbj, rimming, lesbian, cim, [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103) (receiving)
damage: 250 usd for the night (9 hours) + 100 uah for taxi
value: good, but not great. would like to repeat with yulia and another girl
tuesday
tuesday afternoon i met with angelina, another p4p from mamba, around 170 cm, big tits, slim, tanned body and big, beautiful brown eyes. i was quite surprised when she arrived. she was looking very different from the photos in her profile, but since it was an upgrade i didn’t complain. after she left i had to check her photos to make sure she wasn’t a bait and switch, but after studying her photos i’m sure she is the same girl. almost sure. some girls have very professional looking, but not necessarily photoshopped, photos in their profiles. when you meet them irl you might get kind of disappointed. other girls have amateur looking photos, maybe taken on the beach or in an everyday situation. when you meet them irl you get pleasantly surprised. i guess angelina was in the last category.
services: dfk, bbbj, rimming, anal, cob
damage: 100 usd for 2 hours + 50 uah for taxi
value: excellent.
tuesday evening i met with irina, the freebie from my september trip. we met in front of billa supermarket, but she was very late because of heavy traffic. i was about to leave, when she finally showed up, especially since it was a cold evening and i was freezing my ass off. we went to a restaurant in the passage right after khreschatyk metro station to get some dinner. after that we went to o’briens irish pub close to independence square.
around midnight we decided to back home to my apartment. before that we took a taxi to “velyka kyshenya” supermarket on peremogy square, which is open 24/7. very convenient late at night, if you need anything. in my case; beer and vodka.
services: dfk, bbbj, cob
value: mediocre.
wednesday
wednesday noon it was time for me to move apartment. the apartment on baseina street was only on discount for 3 days, but ua apartments had another apartment on discount for the last 4 days of my stay. the apartment was located on 10 shota rustavelli and cost 89 usd per night. even though the apartment was only 500 meters away from the ua apartments office a driver took me and my luggage there. very nice service. during my may trip i had a bad experience with the same apartment agency, but decided to give them another chance. i’m glad i did. you can easily find cheaper apartments in kiev, but i like the location and standard of the apartments from this agency. office hours are from 9 am-9 pm, which is also very convenient in case of any problems.
at 3 pm i met with sveta, an attractive brunette.
services: dfk, cbj, cob
damage: 100 usd (800 uah) for 2 hours + 50 uah for taxi
value: good
after sex i asked her if she wanted to stay for the night. she said maybe, but she was hungry and so was i, so we went to a nearby restaurant. after dinner she said she would like to go home so she could go to work early next day. i knew it probably wasn’t true, but i kind of expected this, so it didn’t come as a surprise to me.
back home i called angelina, the girl from yesterday, and we agreed to meet at 10:30 pm. at 10:15 pm she called and told me she was standing outside, 15 minutes early! i wanted her to stay the night, but she had to get up early next morning.
services: dfk, bbbj, rimming, anal, cob
damage: 100 usd for 2 hours + 50 uah for taxi
value: excellent. she is definitely a repeat on future trips.
Mellowtrax
10-22-10, 01:32
Thursday
Thursday morning I woke up with a strange feeling. I realized this was the first night I had ever been sleeping alone in Kiev. I prefer to spend the nights with the girls, so it was kind of unpleasant to wake up alone. I also believe morning sex is a great day to start the day, but not this day :(
Later this afternoon I was about to experience my first Mamba bait and switch. It happened to me before with girls from Top-models, but never with girls from Mamba. I had been corresponding with the girl for a week or so, which is shorter than usual, but still. I had absolutely no suspicion of a possible bait and switch, so I was very surprised when I met Katya. Should I have sent her away again? Yes. Did I overpay compared to the services I got (no DFK and only CBJ)? Yes. Do I regret? No. I expected one type of girl, but got another type which was also very much to my liking. Blond hair, nice body, big and very firm tits and shaved pussy. Despite of the CBJ, sex with her was great, especially cowgirl and doggy.
Services: Kissing, CBJ, COB
Damage: 115 USD (900 UAH) for 2 hours + 70 UAH for taxi
Value: Very good
At 6 pm I met with the possible freebie from Monday evening. We went to O’Briens Irish Pub, same place as Tuesday evening. I really like this place, especially because of the live music every night. Some Ukrainian band with a female lead singer was playing this evening, mostly Rock ‘n’ Roll.
Around midnight we went back to my apartment. I didn’t ask if she wanted to stay for the night, since I could feel it was too soon. First base, that’s all. Around 2 pm she was on her way home in a cab.
Friday
Friday noon I met with another possible freebie. We had lunch together and went for a walk in a nearby park afterwards. On my previous trips I’ve only been meeting with P4P’s, but on this trip I had decided to invest more time in possible freebies. Hopefully, it will pay off on future trips.
Friday afternoon I met with the girl from Sunday and one of her girlfriends, Svetlana. She was short, with blonde hair, average face and body, but big, fake tits.
Services: DFK, BBBJ, rimming, anal, lesbian, swallow, golden rain
Damage: 250 USD for 2 hours
Value: Excellent
Friday evening I once again met with yesterday’s possible freebie. After dinner we went to Avalon around midnight. Entrance was free for women, 150 UAH for me. We went upstairs to the night club (there’s also a restaurant and lounge on the ground floor). The night club was only half full with “reserved” signs on all tables, so we went to the bar upstairs to get a drink. I really enjoyed the two very hot dancers above the dance floor.
Even though I was busy trying to seal the deal with the freebie, I also tried to spot the “working girls” there. Honestly, I didn’t spot many. I also saw a lot of foreign guys just standing next to the bar downstairs, so this might have been a slow night. However, at 1 am the place was packed and I did see a lot of stunners.
We left Avalon around 3 am and went back to my place. I spent the rest of my stay with her, why my report ends here.
Conclusion
About 1,100 USD spent on 7 P4P’s, including 2 threesomes. Most of the sessions were 2 hours. Only two sessions were all nights, which I prefer. However, I’m quite satisfied with the result of this trip.
When I first started coming to Kiev I was very worried about overpaying (and I did, of course), but now it’s only secondary to me. Of course I don’t wish to pay horrible prices, and I still believe it’s very important to negotiate very hard with the girls, but as long as I get the services and results I expect I don’t mind paying 800-1,000 UAH (100-125 USD) for a couple of hours or 1,500-2,000 UAH (190-250 USD) for a night. Some services cost extra, and that’s the same all over the world.
I’m from Denmark in Scandinavia (Europe), a country filled with beautiful women. In general, I think most men can agree to that Scandinavian girls (from Sweden, Norway and Denmark) are some of the most beautiful girls in the world, at least if you like blonde girls. However, P4P is a different matter here, just like Sorbonne wrote earlier today. In fact, the P4P scene is practically non-existing here. Brothels, escort service (also from brothels) and freebies are the only options. Prices in Danish brothels are horrible. Normal price is between 275-370 USD for CBJ and classic only… per hour! Furthermore, prices for taxi, going to restaurants and shopping are equally high.
I guess that’s why I love Kiev so much and why I don’t mind paying 100-125 USD for 2 hours with a beautiful Ukrainian girl. This is just to give some perspective on prices and not as an excuse to pay whatever I want. With time it’s my plan to hook up with freebies and only use P4P for the sake of variety. I’m not quite there yet, but working on it.
Mellow
Restaurants and clubs visited:
- Restaurant Khinkali. Georgian food. Mid-range. I went here three times during my trip. I can recommend this place.
- O’Briens Irish Pub. “Traditional” Irish pub with live music every night. Mid-range. Highly recommended.
- “Puzata Hata”, Ukrainian self-service restaurant in the Kiev Passage. Very cheap. Nothing fancy, but good enough to get you full.
- Café Etno. Spanish tapas food restaurant. Mid-range. Mediocre food.
- Restaurant “Swing”. Restaurant with live jazz music. Mid-range. Recommendable, if you like jazz.
- Avalon night club.
- “Grill Asia” Restaurant, located in the Hyatt Regency Hotel. Fusion food. Expensive. Recommended.
"the real attraction of Kiev is the thousands of gorgeous women who litter the streets nearly 24 hours per day."
As much as I like Kiev and don't want to spoil the sport, if I were to just look at the street scene IN SUMMER with jawdropping girls, I would much prefer Drottninggatan in Stockholm or Karl Johans Gate in Oslo than Khreschtatyk.
Indeed I prefer Scandinavian looks to Slavic looks. The only reason I come to Kiev is because there ARE still some or even many Scandinavian looking girls in Kiev. After all Kiev was founded by Vikings, as evidenced by the statue in the Maydan Nezaleznosti and another one on the Dnipro.
P4P is a different matter in these Scandinavian countries, so I don't go there for P4P :( .Now you mentioned it. Karl Johans Gate in Oslo, must be really the Gate to Heaven.
I have never seen so many Beautiful girls in one place.
I think Oslo girls are in a league of their own The city iitself beats Kiev by its sheer natural beauty & fresh tasting water.
I was in Stockholm last month, and I have spent most of the time just eating the girls with my eyes. But I prefer Oslo to stockholm.
In both cities you pay an average of US$ 250 for a decent central Hotel.
Watching the girls On Kreschatick in Kiev & drinking Beer & paying for Accommodation, is a hell lot cheaper.
Besides you can have the Candy there & eat.
That's why I keep heading back to Kiev.
Mellowtrax,
Thanks for your report.
Hey, Katya is pretty! I'm not sure how old she is, but she goes beyond Swedes and Nords and look more like an Icelandish!
"I’m from Denmark in Scandinavia (Europe), a country filled with beautiful women. In general, I think most men can agree to that Scandinavian girls (from Sweden, Norway and Denmark) are some of the most beautiful girls in the world, at least if you like blonde girls. However, P4P is a different matter here, just like Sorbonne wrote earlier today. In fact, the P4P scene is practically non-existing here. Brothels, escort service (also from brothels) and freebies are the only options. Prices in Danish brothels are horrible. Normal price is between 275-370 USD for CBJ and classic only… per hour! Furthermore, prices for taxi, going to restaurants and shopping are equally high."
Yes, Danish girls are right up there with Swedish and Norwegian girls.
I heard several years ago that there were many young, single, needy (and of course beautiful) mothers in Copenhagen who go to clubs at night, whom you can pick up as freebes and give them some money as "gifts" afterwards. And then a few years later there was this thing about a TV commercial on Danish tourism by a single mother who seemed to prove what I heard was true.
Can't you tap into this scene in Copenhagen? Is it not that easy?
I will post this at the Copenhagen section as well.
You don't need to tell me that you are the Bloody Mongering Nanny here. Or, are you too obsessed analayzing (Hunter's reports)? I am not obsessed by Hunter and his reports.
However, since this is a forum, there is give and take, or should be. Frankly, Hunter's reports don't pass my smell test or your duck test 100%. I said before, I believe his reports are mostly true. Nevertheless, from my perspective and experience, I believe there is part of the story that is exaggerated or quite over the top.
Anyone can follow, or not, your advice, Hunter's, mine or anyone else's. However, in the final analysis a monger who heads to Kiev will do exactly what he wants to do and the hell with anyone else's opinions or suggestions.
And the thing is. I couldn't agree with you more.
I was only commenting on my situation when I head to Kiev.
Cheap skate when it comes to flying. Read Budget Airlines.
Only hand luggage. Work & domestic issues dictate I only go for 3 Nights max, a long Weelend.
I don't do all nights. Only short time.
So really, no opportunity to take Photos with my Anti mugging Phone, that no mugger even wants to Rob me of.
I really love looking at the Photos that you post.
So, keep them coming.
I do post links as well, but not the Photos that I have taken.
Posted some UA/RUS Mementoes in Special Interests > Photography > Photo Thechniques under the title of Reason for Photofraphing, di dnot want to post them here, the girls are all aleardy seen but some shots are different or trimmed better. A nice view...
IT
I am not obsessed by Hunter and his reports.
However, since this is a forum, there is give and take, or should be. Frankly, Hunter's reports don't pass my smell test or your duck test 100%. I said before, I believe his reports are mostly true. Nevertheless, from my perspective and experience, I believe there is part of the story that is exaggerated or quite over the top.
Anyone can follow, or not, your advice, Hunter's, mine or anyone else's. However, in the final analysis a monger who heads to Kiev will do exactly what he wants to do and the hell with anyone else's opinions or suggestions.
Dear Uke and Jojo,
I’m not obsessed either, either they do not pass my smell test too. Have been there too much even with some of you doubting my photos were real and not from a porn site… Some girls uses them in their mamba profiles.
I think our friend is too mechanic too organized. Of course I want to meet the girls first too, for the non real pro I use always the same technique a café or a pub or a business lunch place, I fairly prefer to meet them in day time or early afternoon. After chit chatting, discussion and so on I simply decide. Usually I have a known pro back-up, fact that is easy because I’ll phone the pro well before 6 p.m. This because I’m searching for a long term sponsoring, not just a f*ck.
On ground I’m not going for stunners but for pigs (a good 6 is well enough) I have a different parameter, so I refused few ones. And apart some delusions, in bed, most time I found my pigs. You know next door, naïve, homegrown FSU girls, if teens it’s far better! But 24-25 is OK.
Can give a quick impression of what I’m searching… found Tigressa (her art name) 300 USD/day in sponsoring, by the way clever, well instructed and talking and writing English properly (it’s not a problem but if possible I prefer English). When I saw her for a light meal in the pub just 20 meters from my usual apt in ul. Baseina I tought ohh she is nice in face, but not a softy as I thought, may be too fat, let’s say a 4 in ISG standard (but mind I’m Italian so tastes are different). Was considering refusing her, but I was thinking to how she was writing and talking… it’s always a difficult matter to introduce sex when chit chatting with a girl… and she was answering… I love anal and like cum taste! So I decided to give her a chance, despite the kilos… Most of my friend would have been refusing her and loosing a fantastic sex machine. She was cowriding me anally on the sofa with those DDD boobs going everywhere ( :p )20 minutes after we got in the door, It was exactly what I wanted, I was too interested in the up and down of the boobs (with 2 inch nipples) to look at the flesh, and some time softies are nice to have.
All this to say that my mongering way is totally different. If I like a girl and the GFE is good I keep her for a while. I have been fucking Ludmilla in Moscow (Valentina’s older sister) for 10 years, despite she is 32-3 now I’ll go for her again… why you might ask? Yes her cow girl ride (with a rigid vibrating plug in the ass) is still the best experimented… of course I will go for her sister’s ass too and for a teen also… :D
Just my opinion and my two cents… Mongering is not like business, Looking at his structure system with a lot of backups, I do not know why and do not want to start polemics, he seems a kind of seller, like an estate agent… just an opinion of course and just my two cents.
IT
PS I was already mongering there when the place was still called CCCP… may be it’s there I got the mental trip of maids… How many hotel maids (18-35 or so) fucked for 20/40 bucks!
Thanks Jojosun, for the detailed information.
When you say the companies can provide VIP welcome at the clubs - do you have a website or do you have contact details?
In a club what is the opening bid of the hottest girls - it would help if I knew as then I can decide on the negotiation strategy.
Thanks.Here is the Link to their office in Kiev.
http://www.Visitkiev. Biz/nightlife.htm.
Like I said this comes without my recommendation, not having tried them before.
Re your 2nd Question.. I can answer it., if you can tell me, How long is a Piece of String?
You will get different answers to both questions.
The thing is Prices & opening offers IN Kiev Clubs are not set in stone.
Without you telling us, how long do you want the girl to stay?
All Night, couple of hours, One hour? /.
The prices posted here for Girls coming to your apartment is inthe range of US$ 80 to US $150. Varing from one hour to 2 Hours.
So this should help you working out the Prices for girls In Clubs
IF you read on here the opening prices for hot girls in top clubs, seem to be in the range of US$ 300.
Although a really Hot, Hot girl once told me in River Palace Club, it was US$400.. She said it without any hesitation& with a lovely Smile and a sexy Wink. I just replied with a blank look & with a similar wink, because You are Worth It.
And I did mean it. Honestly this Girl who was about 19, and could have easily been the centre fold in Play Boy magazine.
The thing is, this girl was really worth it, if Money was not an issue for me, spending US $ 400 for a night.
I would have hated to negotiate with her. I would have just loved to have taken her out, and leave the rest. The second Night I went to River Palace I
Bought her few drinks had a laugh. And she was really warming up to me by then. Told me she was joking with me about herUS$400, hinting she could go for much lower.
But I made few excuses and left, as I am not an all Nighter. And even if she came down to US$ 250 I wouldn't have taken up her offer.
The moral of the above, its flexible., To be used as a guide only.
At the end of the Day you are the one with a Game Plan, exit strategy.
The most hardened of Pros are only Human after all. So Charm, Making them Laugh, reasonable looks, telling them interesting tales & stories, all help you in your negotiations.
Never ever tell them that you are a 1st timer or New to Kiev. Just tell them you have been there a few times, and you are thinking of relocating here for your Business.
After all its your Own game Plan & own script that will determine the final price & Time of passion.
Old Boy.
You don't need to tell me that you are the Bloody Mongering Nanny here.
As it happens I have a good memory & I remember the time when...Just a thought but it does seem that you are obsessed about ME! I am surprised that I am so much a part of your life on this forum :eek:
It would be best if you would find a nice girl, please. ;)
Just a thought but it does seem that you are obsessed about ME! I am surprised that I am so much a part of your life on this forum :eek:
It would be best if you would find a nice girl, please. ;)
Two is far better, specially if they are sisters or twins :eek:
IT
I am not obsessed by Hunter and his reports.
However, since this is a forum, there is give and take, or should be. Frankly, Hunter's reports don't pass my smell test or your duck test 100%. I said before, I believe his reports are mostly true. Nevertheless, from my perspective and experience, I believe there is part of the story that is exaggerated or quite over the top.
Anyone can follow, or not, your advice, Hunter's, mine or anyone else's. However, in the final analysis a monger who heads to Kiev will do exactly what he wants to do and the hell with anyone else's opinions or suggestions.Having been a long time Resident of this Lovely city LONDON. I have to admit that it is one of the most tolerant cities in the World.
One has to admire the British People for their Fair Play.
Uke boy, Analysis above seems to fall in this category..
Fair & Well Balanced.
He believes (There is a Part in Hunter's story that is exaggerated or over the Top).
Hunter can speak for himself obviously. But who doesn't go over the top sometimes or exaggerate?
Who was it, who once said (Reports of My Death are greatly exaggerated.).
Hunter's. Exaggeration or over the top as you call them. Can be classed, as Sugar & Spice and every thing is NICE.
Or, probably. A sexed Up Kiev Report on Mass Mongering.
But, which is better, Hunter's Report or TB's report, the sexed up United Kingdom report on WOMD. Weapons Of Mass Destruction.
At least with Hunter's report you say, (mostly are True)
But can you say the same thing about TB's report on Iraq's WOMD?
Hunter' s report started at times a slightly heated discussion here, but the second one. Well we all know about it by now.
Just a thought but it does seem that you are obsessed about ME! I am surprised that I am so much a part of your life on this forum :eek:
It would be best if you would find a nice girl, please. ;)Honestly, if I spend much longer time on here I am going to end up with a Divorce on my hands.
I don't mind the Divorce. Its the Bloody pre Nup marriage agreement which I didn't sign.
But I can always blame it in court on a certain absentee party Residing in Kiev.
. Even if I get divorced, My Donetsk girl that I found first time I was in Kiev, is moving next week to Kiev with another girl. And she wants me to go back for a Threesome Apartment Party.
It Travel. You see not just One but Two, under the same roof.
And I don't even have to wait for them to show up.
As an after thought only.. You were questioning (Hunter's)logistics in organizing the punctual & always on Time (give or take 10 Minutes) of his girls from one part of Kiev to his base, bearing in mind the traffic & associated delays with it there. Surely this is more credible & easier to believe than what Tony B told us 7 years ago that Uncle S's Rockets could Reach London in 45 Minutes travelling thousands of Miles fron one continent to another.Honestly, if I spend much longer time on here I am going to end up with a Divorce on my hands.
I don't mind the Divorce. Its the Bloody pre Nup marriage agreement which I didn't sign.
But I can always blame it in court on a certain absentee party Residing in Kiev.
Even if I get divorced, My Donetsk girl that I found first time I was in Kiev, is moving next week to Kiev with another girl. And she wants me to go back for a Threesome Apartment Party.
It Travel. You see not just One but Two, under the same roof.
And I don't even have to wait for them to show up.
As an after thought only. You were questioning (Hunter's)logistics in organizing the punctual & always on Time (give or take 10 Minutes) of his girls from one part of Kiev to his base, bearing in mind the traffic & associated delays with it there. Surely this is more credible & easier to believe than what Tony B told us 7 years ago that Uncle S's Rockets could Reach London in 45 Minutes travelling thousands of Miles fron one continent to another.
I for one believed Tony B at the time. So why shouldn't I believe Hunter's Traffic Report?
I for one believed Tony B at the time. So why shouldn't I believe Hunter's Traffic Report?
Try this link ,if the above doesn't work.
www.visitkiev.biz.com
www.ukraine connections.co.uk
You can marry in two cases:
A) a pre marital contract.
B) all you belongings are of shore...
Woman is "the most pwerful agent money reducing to man"!!!!!!
Its well proved...
You know, may be I'm cinic, I just rent them!
IT
Honestly, if I spend much longer time on here I am going to end up with a Divorce on my hands.
I don't mind the Divorce. Its the Bloody pre Nup marriage agreement which I didn't sign.
But I can always blame it in court on a certain absentee party Residing in Kiev.
. Even if I get divorced, My Donetsk girl that I found first time I was in Kiev, is moving next week to Kiev with another girl. And she wants me to go back for a Threesome Apartment Party.
It Travel. You see not just One but Two, under the same roof.
And I don't even have to wait for them to show up.
As an after thought only.. You were questioning (Hunter's)logistics in organizing the punctual & always on Time (give or take 10 Minutes) of his girls from one part of Kiev to his base, bearing in mind the traffic & associated delays with it there. Surely this is more credible & easier to believe than what Tony B told us 7 years ago that Uncle S's Rockets could Reach London in 45 Minutes travelling thousands of Miles fron one continent to another.Honestly, if I spend much longer time on here I am going to end up with a Divorce on my hands.
I don't mind the Divorce. Its the Bloody pre Nup marriage agreement which I didn't sign.
But I can always blame it in court on a certain absentee party Residing in Kiev.
Even if I get divorced, My Donetsk girl that I found first time I was in Kiev, is moving next week to Kiev with another girl. And she wants me to go back for a Threesome Apartment Party.
It Travel. You see not just One but Two, under the same roof.
And I don't even have to wait for them to show up.
As an after thought only. You were questioning (Hunter's)logistics in organizing the punctual & always on Time (give or take 10 Minutes) of his girls from one part of Kiev to his base, bearing in mind the traffic & associated delays with it there. Surely this is more credible & easier to believe than what Tony B told us 7 years ago that Uncle S's Rockets could Reach London in 45 Minutes travelling thousands of Miles fron one continent to another.
I for one believed Tony B at the time. So why shouldn't I believe Hunter's Traffic Report?
I for one believed Tony B at the time. So why shouldn't I believe Hunter's Traffic Report?
Honestly, if I spend much longer time on here I am going to end up with a Divorce on my hands.
I don't mind the Divorce. Its the Bloody pre Nup marriage agreement which I didn't sign.
But I can always blame it in court on a certain absentee party Residing in Kiev.
. Even if I get divorced, My Donetsk girl that I found first time I was in Kiev, is moving next week to Kiev with another girl. And she wants me to go back for a Threesome Apartment Party.
It Travel. You see not just One but Two, under the same roof.
And I don't even have to wait for them to show up.
As an after thought only.. You were questioning (Hunter's)logistics in organizing the punctual & always on Time (give or take 10 Minutes) of his girls from one part of Kiev to his base, bearing in mind the traffic & associated delays with it there. Surely this is more credible & easier to believe than what Tony B told us 7 years ago that Uncle S's Rockets could Reach London in 45 Minutes travelling thousands of Miles fron one continent to another.=
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I for one believed Tony B at the time. So why shouldn't I believe Hunter's Traffic Report?
I for one believed Tony B at the time. So why shouldn't I believe Hunter's Traffic Report?Post got muddled up.
Above is the Refined Version.
Thanks Jojosun, for the detailed information.
When you say the companies can provide VIP welcome at the clubs - do you have a website or do you have contact details?
.Thanks.Apparantly, they organize VIP service at all top Clubs.
Your Own reserved Table & your Own waitress.
http://www.Visitkiev. Biz/stag_weekends.htm
Ukraine connections. Co. Uk. Their Uk Branch do have positive feedback posted on their site.
But the Proof Of the Pudding is in the Eating. You might get to Eat that Pudding. And if you do, Keep your fellow Members here informed.
IT does seem a better option than Spending Money on a Body Guard.
No Mocking Intended.
Your own waitress can double up as Your body guard in the Club & bed partner Later Own.
If the Price is Right..
I for one believed Tony B at the time.
Aw Jojo, please say it ain't so.
Please, please, please...
AsianChaos
10-23-10, 07:58
Here is the Link to their office in Kiev.
http://www.Visitkiev. Biz/nightlife.htm.
The thing is Prices & opening offers IN Kiev Clubs are not set in stone.
Without you telling us, how long do you want the girl to stay?
All Night, couple of hours, One hour? /.
The prices posted here for Girls coming to your apartment is inthe range of US$ 80 to US $150. Varing from one hour to 2 Hours.
So this should help you working out the Prices for girls In Clubs
IF you read on here the opening prices for hot girls in top clubs, seem to be in the range of US$ 300.
Although a really Hot, Hot girl once told me in River Palace Club, it was US$400.. She said it without any hesitation& with a lovely Smile and a sexy Wink. I just replied with a blank look & with a similar wink, because You are Worth It.
So if the standard for the hour is anywhere between US$80 to US$300 what do they charge for the whole night?
So if the standard for the hour is anywhere between US$80 to US$300 what do they charge for the whole night?IF I were to you, I wait until I get to Kiev & Have your Hair Cut in A top Hair Dressing Salon.
The price they charge you for the Hair Cut is your Guide, as How Much to Pay for a Good Lay..
You need to Multiply this X 10 & Bingo =. You got The Answer.
And if you think I am just Kidding you, just read on.
Two things in Life have proved to be invariably true, the price of an ounce of gold has been always been the price of a good suite more or less, and the (Price Of a Good Fuck) is always (Ten Times) the Price of a Hair cut.
This goes back to Roman, Greek and even Egyptian times.
This Truth is known as the unviversal Copulation Constant, or if you happen to be an Economist The Shadow Price Of Pussy.
The above is an exerpt from a Publication by a travel writer who frequently indulged in P4p, and was Quoted by an escort.
All night prices are worked differently from Hourly rates, and I am the wrong person to guide you here, because I value my 8 hours sleep. More than spending it in the sack.
Anyway I thought you said you are going to Kiev for Work?
All night shagging ain't eaxactly Work, Or is it?
Slighly off topic here. The above pricing system wouldn't apply to Members who cut their own Hair, as they are technically called Wankers.
AsianChaos
10-25-10, 00:52
IF I were to you, I wait until I get to Kiev & Have your Hair Cut in A top Hair Dressing Salon.
The price they charge you for the Hair Cut is your Guide, as How Much to Pay for a Good Lay..
Slighly off topic here. The above pricing system wouldn't apply to Members who cut their own Hair, as they are technically called Wankers.
LOL!
That is a so true never looked at it that way....when I come to think about pricing now. Maybe this should be a new chapter in Freakanomics. They always have weird co-relation to things.
I will be there for work but I get a weekend so i can sleep in.
IF I were to you, I wait until I get to Kiev & Have your Hair Cut in A top Hair Dressing Salon.
The price they charge you for the Hair Cut is your Guide, as How Much to Pay for a Good Lay..
You need to Multiply this X 10 & Bingo =. You got The Answer.
And if you think I am just Kidding you, just read on.
Two things in Life have proved to be invariably true, the price of an ounce of gold has been always been the price of a good suite more or less, and the (Price Of a Good Fuck) is always (Ten Times) the Price of a Hair cut.
This goes back to Roman, Greek and even Egyptian times.
This Truth is known as the unviversal Copulation Constant, or if you happen to be an Economist The Shadow Price Of Pussy.
...
Well that is stimulating thinking!
I have googled "Universal Copulation Constant" and "Shadow Price Of Pussy" in search for references, but found nothing.
Do you have any further references on this ?
Kind regards;
B.B.
Well that is stimulating thinking!
I have googled "Universal Copulation Constant" and "Shadow Price Of Pussy" in search for references, but found nothing.
Do you have any further references on this?
Kind regards;
B. B.Apologies for the typing muddle in the first line in my post.
This was posted by a Female member on a Very well known (Uk Punting Site). I don't think it is Kosher to Post the link here
I will ask her though for the name of the Publication & let you know.
I am certainly no Archimedes, The greatest Mathematician of his age who anitipated the integral Calculus. But I agree with you that is Stimulating Thinking, so much so, that I did few Comparisons on Prices between A Hair Cut V Mongering In what I consider at this time, The Mother of All Mongering Cities in the World, London.
And here are my Findings.
1. The cheapest Hair Cut In London is £6. The Cheapest Decent Full Sex for one hour is £60, as advertised on adult w.
Well that is exactly 10 times the price of a Hair Cut.
2. The going prices for good hair cuts are between £12 to £15.
The going prices for a really good sex for one hour In London, is in the price range £120 to £ 150 an Hour. The only extra is Anal. This is priced at £ 40.
That is exactly 10 times the price I pay for my Hair cuts.
But then again I do get it cheaper by doing a lot of research costing me a lot of arm & leg work + money.
But I am not such a Cheap Charlie to go for the option of, Cutting My Own Hair.
Cheers.
As an After Thought. Archimides also invented, The Archimidean Screw Pumping Device. As well.
Cheers
LOL!
That is a so true never looked at it that way. When I come to think about pricing now. Maybe this should be a new chapter in Freakanomics. They always have weird co-relation to things.
I will be there for work but I get a weekend so I can sleep in.The only thing that I can think of in Kiev that is more or less Fixed, is the take out price of the Super girls in Rio Strip Club. US$ 300 for Few Hours.
My Kiev port of call for fantastic private dances.
Never tried the Take out, although when I visited a lot of the girls were Worth It.
Money & time issue for me. I have to wait until they finish work
. This club should be on your Schedule as well.
In the same league as Baccara GO GO in Bangkok.
Their prices are 4000 BHT for few hours + 600 Bar Fine.
GIA, escorts in Kiev are reliable but expensive. Have a look at their site.
You can Take a girl on a Dinner date to one of the Clubs. Better than spending it on a Body Guard.
Then you have your Cake & eat it as Well.
Gentleman Travel
10-25-10, 16:06
IF I were to you, I wait until I get to Kiev & Have your Hair Cut in A top Hair Dressing Salon.
The price they charge you for the Hair Cut is your Guide, as How Much to Pay for a Good Lay..
You need to Multiply this X 10 & Bingo =. You got The Answer.
And if you think I am just Kidding you, just read on.
Two things in Life have proved to be invariably true, the price of an ounce of gold has been always been the price of a good suite more or less, and the (Price Of a Good Fuck) is always (Ten Times) the Price of a Hair cut.
Amusing, and possibly true. Are we talking about the price of a man's hair cut at a top salon, or a woman's cut & style? Maybe that is where River Palace and Night Flight prices come from?
An interesting and potentially relevant sidebar - on a recent mongering trip to Haiti, almost the only commercial service I saw operating in devastating areas were hair salons. You could drive a 1/2 hour without seeing a gas station or grocery store, but it always seemed there was a sign for a hair salon or beauty parlour. This in a country where people are desperately poor and always have been! Maybe they were all cover for brothels, multipling the price list by 10?
Amusing, and possibly true. Are we talking about the price of a man's hair cut at a top salon, or a woman's cut & style? Maybe that is where River Palace and Night Flight prices come from?
An interesting and potentially relevant sidebar. On a recent mongering trip to Haiti, almost the only commercial service I saw operating in devastating areas were hair salons. You could drive a 1/2 hour without seeing a gas station or grocery store, but it always seemed there was a sign for a hair salon or beauty parlour. This in a country where people are desperately poor and always have been! Maybe they were all cover for brothels, multipling the price list by 10?.
I just can't keep away from the Board.
In London I go to Unisex Salons, and the prices I quoted were for Men's Hair Cuts.
I think we should keep this Dicussion a bit low keyed, because I know that there are some girls & their Pimps lurking here.
So if you Notice a Sudden Hike in Mens hair Cutting Prices in Kiev, you should Know Why.
Uke Boy. Where do you go to have your Hair Cut In Kiev?
Talking aabout Obsession.
The only thing that I can think of in Kiev that is more or less Fixed, is the take out price of the Super girls in Rio Strip Club. US$ 300 for Few Hours.
My Kiev port of call for fantastic private dances.
Never tried the Take out, although when I visited a lot of the girls were Worth It.
Money & time issue for me. I have to wait until they finish work.Hey guys, I keep in high consideration your opinions about strippers and professionals, but is there anybody out there interested in winging to D-lux or other clubs for good old pick-ups?
I am in Kiev working several days per month and I am looking for someone with good energy and willing to invest time in-the-field. Of course it is harder, but has never been impossible
By the way Jojosun is right, a good 50% of the girls in Rio are stunning!
If someone 25-40 year old is club-oriented, then he can write me at: [Email address deleted by Admin]
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Well that is stimulating thinking!
I have googled "Universal Copulation Constant" and "Shadow Price Of Pussy" in search for references, but found nothing.
Do you have any further references on this ?
Kind regards;
B.B.Here is the link to the Author Nick STORR ,writing under pseudonym.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Times-Price-Haircut-Will-Bogarde/dp/0754109607
This lively interesting discussion can be attributed to this British Lady.
www.Escortkarin.Co.Uk.
Who kindly answered my question re above, with a Typical British Modesty.. The research can be attributed to my cousin, who got a copy through the Local Library.
Anyone here heading to Sheffield, UK, will have an interesting discussion + I am sure good sex with a Mrs Robinson type of Looks.
I know I will when I get the chance, breaking the limit on the Age group that I go for 18/24.
I just can't keep away from the Board.
Uke Boy. Where do you go to have your Hair Cut In Kiev?
Talking aabout Obsession.Jojo, sometimes it really is a pity you can't stay away from the forum :rolleyes:
As for the haircut, I also travel with some frequency - and get it cut in London, New York and elsewhere. The price is higher but the quality is also much higher.
Right now I am at a resort on the Red Sea with a friend - she is my obsession :D and will remain that until Sunday and then maybe I will get a new obsession :D :D but I promise, Jojo, it won't be you :p
Gentleman Travel
10-26-10, 16:55
Anyone know what happened to Ziggy?
Did he ever get laid?
Ziggy, we were not trying to be mean, just helpful.
It's not that difficult - just get back on the damned horse!
Ok friends, I think I need an ISG intervention. I have been here 2 weeks and just yesterday sent a girl home on the airplane that I wasted about 12 days on. A few days to not call her back to make her go through my friends to become interested. A night out in Podol with her cousin (who is a good contact, she's a VIP on those boats so will be cool to take out to Avalon since she is living here locally, so not a total loss) a sushi dinner and a hasty retreat or two after tea later and she's returned to Canada.
Good riddance. Her body was slammin but her face sucked and we weren't goin anywhere.
So I guess my problem I need help with is take out. I have always gone to salons in Tel Aviv or St Peter and like to do it that way. Having all the relevent info from PM's and mamba pro's (I have a hard time finding any semi's or freebies there, very little return) I can surely order a cost effective lady out to my apartment....
My only problem is I'm chicken. I know to send them back with 50 UAH if their pictures were p'shopped too hard. I use tineye, I know what ot do but I'm scared to have some weird woman show up in front of my apartment. She knows where I live and I have valuables here. I guess I just need someone to talk me through it. I don't feel that there are any good salons here so I'm going to have to get over my feer. I swear once I get laid (there is no rush I'm here to stay) picking up freebies should be easier since the smell of desperation will have been, even if temporarily, cleansed from my person.
Hi!
I read the board and found references to Rakuena as a good massage place, Any other ones you would recommend?
Paolopaolo
10-27-10, 12:26
Hi!
I read the board and found references to Rakuena as a good massage place, Any other ones you would recommend?Rakuena is one of the best, I was last week, I tried others but they are not so.
DoctorOral
10-27-10, 19:01
As reported earlier
Across interconti is a dirty but great massage place. It is dirty. The girls are young and firm. It is dirty. It is just massage and it is dirty. But somehow fun and the best! Place to get classic and erotic massage. The classic massage really IS a massage and makes your bones crack and your skin sore (beware of the marks on your body!) Overall great since rough beginning and oh so soft ending!
http://chocolate-studio.com.ua
Rakuena is one of the best, I was last week, I tried others but they are not so.
... but I'm curious what do you do?.... No sex at all and aonly a pop up with massage or BBBJ at least?
IT
Explorer69
10-29-10, 11:15
I am in Kiev, spending time with a girlfriend. However, on Sunday I am on my own and I wonder: does anybody has experience with bars and clubs on Sundays? Usually a "dead day"? What about Budda Bar, Avalon, D'Lux, Shooters? Is anybody around, you can PM me!
As reported earlier
Across interconti is a dirty but great massage place. It is dirty. The girls are young and firm. It is dirty. It is just massage and it is dirty. But somehow fun and the best! Place to get classic and erotic massage. The classic massage really IS a massage and makes your bones crack and your skin sore (beware of the marks on your body!) Overall great since rough beginning and oh so soft ending!
http://chocolate-studio.com.ua
Is it CLEAN???
As reported earlier
Across interconti is a dirty but great massage place. It is dirty. The girls are young and firm. It is dirty. It is just massage and it is dirty. But somehow fun and the best! Place to get classic and erotic massage. The classic massage really IS a massage and makes your bones crack and your skin sore (beware of the marks on your body!) Overall great since rough beginning and oh so soft ending!
http://chocolate-studio.com.ua
I think I'm not interested in such things....
As reported earlier
Across interconti is a dirty but great massage place. It is dirty. The girls are young and firm. It is dirty. It is just massage and it is dirty. But somehow fun and the best! Place to get classic and erotic massage. The classic massage really IS a massage and makes your bones crack and your skin sore (beware of the marks on your body!) Overall great since rough beginning and oh so soft ending!
http://chocolate-studio.com.uaOk, so you do get to bang the girls?
Are the pictures of the girls real? That is some insane goodlooking females!
And one more thing, is the massage place clean?
I was in Kiev this week and I wish to share my experience. I assume Jedi punters will not find it of any use, but it might help some newbie, who knows?This is my first time in Kiev since RP was closed. I spent a lot of time researching the options and then your post. My fll bback was to be gia but as everyone knows it just doesn't have the trill of the hunt.
To be frank I just did what you did and it turned out wonderful so as soon as the girl walked out (about 5 minute ago) I began to write this just to thank you with a big grin on my face. Here it goes;
I arrived at Avalon early- 8:00 pm. It was dead so I figured I'll have dinner. The food was OK, they made me sit at a table on the balcony as all other tables were "reserved".
Imagine only 3 tables with patrons and all else was reserved? who are they kidding? Regardless, the food was OK and service quite good, I ate as slowly as I could but still got done by 9 so I stepped into the Disco very hesitantly, and of course I was the only fool there at 9:00 on a Friday night.
Then I remembered your post so I walked over to RIO. There again everything was "reserved" it being Friday night as it was explained so I took a seat at the bar. Well, the girls are hot and again you are right the slow pace makes it even better. I tried making eye contact with some of the dancers but they were hardly looking. And from the dying fear of hit or miss at a Diso as soon as the first one I liked came back on I raised my glass to her ... an obvious and over the top ploy but it worked ... she came to me straight from the stage!
A little chit chat and a 200 Grivnna "private dance" later we eneded up at the Hyatt. To be honest the private dance is sort of like a test driving of a rental car! You get a few squeezes in and check out the goods upfront so no visual disaapointments back at the hotel. Living in Dubai I have had a few disappointments with Gell Bras and so on!
Turn offs no kissing and CBJ.
Turn ons stripper body, stripper quality moves and man she did the dream lapdance on me and apparently came twice in the process!!!
I managed a couple as well not being sure if she was role playing the first time, but the tears in her second explosions made it believable, however to be frank I really didn't care as sure as heck I wasn't facking it and thats all that counts when you caugh up 300!!!
Will I do it again? Yes, my table is already reserved for tomorrow at 9:30. I'll be the fool raising his drinks to the dancers. Only this time I will explicitly ask for a BBJ, kissing, and whatever else I can think of in the private ddance boot so not to have any disappointments in spending the 300 bucks. Again thank you!
This is my first time in Kiev since RP was closed. I spent a lot of time researching the options and then your post. My fll bback was to be gia but as everyone knows it just doesn't have the trill of the hunt.
To be frank I just did what you did and it turned out wonderful so as soon as the girl walked out (about 5 minute ago) I began to write this just to thank you with a big grin on my face. Here it goes;
I arrived at Avalon early- 8:00 pm. It was dead so I figured I'll have dinner. The food was OK, they made me sit at a table on the balcony as all other tables were "reserved".
Imagine only 3 tables with patrons and all else was reserved? who are they kidding? Regardless, the food was OK and service quite good, I ate as slowly as I could but still got done by 9 so I stepped into the Disco very hesitantly, and of course I was the only fool there at 9:00 on a Friday night.
Then I remembered your post so I walked over to RIO. There again everything was "reserved" it being Friday night as it was explained so I took a seat at the bar. Well, the girls are hot and again you are right the slow pace makes it even better. I tried making eye contact with some of the dancers but they were hardly looking. And from the dying fear of hit or miss at a Diso as soon as the first one I liked came back on I raised my glass to her ... an obvious and over the top ploy but it worked ... she came to me straight from the stage!
A little chit chat and a 200 Grivnna "private dance" later we eneded up at the Hyatt. To be honest the private dance is sort of like a test driving of a rental car! You get a few squeezes in and check out the goods upfront so no visual disaapointments back at the hotel. Living in Dubai I have had a few disappointments with Gell Bras and so on!
Turn offs no kissing and CBJ.
Turn ons stripper body, stripper quality moves and man she did the dream lapdance on me and apparently came twice in the process!!!
I managed a couple as well not being sure if she was role playing the first time, but the tears in her second explosions made it believable, however to be frank I really didn't care as sure as heck I wasn't facking it and thats all that counts when you caugh up 300!!!
Will I do it again? Yes, my table is already reserved for tomorrow at 9:30. I'll be the fool raising his drinks to the dancers. Only this time I will explicitly ask for a BBJ, kissing, and whatever else I can think of in the private ddance boot so not to have any disappointments in spending the 300 bucks. Again thank you!300 for how many hours? of course it was all night? Right?
Ziggy Ines
10-30-10, 09:29
I am in Kiev, spending time with a girlfriend. However, on Sunday I am on my own and I wonder: does anybody has experience with bars and clubs on Sundays? Usually a "dead day"? What about Budda Bar, Avalon, D'Lux, Shooters? Is anybody around, you can PM me!If you mean tomorrow as the Sunday. I'll be in Kiev. Maybe we get a chance to hang out. I'll be somehow online after 4PM. Kiev time.
Paolopaolo
10-30-10, 15:26
... but I'm curious what do you do?.... No sex at all and aonly a pop up with massage or BBBJ at least?
ITOnly massage and end at the hands.
I am in Kiev, spending time with a girlfriend. However, on Sunday I am on my own and I wonder: does anybody has experience with bars and clubs on Sundays? Usually a "dead day"? What about Budda Bar, Avalon, D'Lux, Shooters? Is anybody around, you can PM me!Patipa used to do a "foreigners" night on Sundays, not sure if it's still happening but Shooters on a Sunday is very good. Girls only until midnight though))
priviet fellow mongers,
i visited kiev 20/10 to 25/20/10
i arrived yesterday morning at borispol pretty early in the morning. i was totally hanged over when i left home, i have spent 24 hours with a gorgeous russian from st. petersburg with lotsa vodka prior and almost missed my plane from cairo/egypt. as written in the forum before, i forgot my vpills and my 2nd phone for hunting here in kiev. i would say both are really essential for spending a couple of good days in kiev. about my background: i am half egyptian / half german in my middle 40's, bigger than the average arab and really don't look specifically like an arab. i lived most of my life in germany and the us and behave rather like a western person than the typical middle eastern if you believe the clichés.
i want to thank isg members her for the help, the advice and from some the contacts i got. i prepared myself well for this trip (so i thought), have many mamba and other internet sources for freebies that i have contacted prior. it is my 4th trip to kiev since june (hell!)
i guess i had about 20 real good mamba contacts and about 4 freebies. my goal was to break hunter's record, but i must admit, i am faaaaaaaaaaar behind for reasons i will explain later here – respect hunter dave! so my plan was to screw at least 3x with different davoushkas a day with a total of min. 15 davoushkas within the 5 days i am staying in kiev.
after arriving in borispol, i took the buss for 25 grivna to the centrum. i don't use the piranha taxis from the airport anymore. when arrived at the central station, i walked to the other side, walked a little bit further and took a must cheaper taxi to kievrent where i have booked my apartment in the centrum next to maidan. i bargained the lady at the desk for an apartment i booked prior and paid us100 per night instead of 125 which i paid last time. 125 bucks more for spending on the ladies – just with a smile and a polite question. good start!
checked into the apartment, bought some food, 2 bottles of georgian wine, water and went after that for buying a phone from the underground shops for 250grivna. i was ready.
called some of my mamba contacts and. no one would answer. or didn't have the time to come right away. what a bad start! breaking hunters record of his last trip was in jeopardy!
what to do? ok, a fast solution, a couple of glasses of wine alone, i was surfing mamba and had the solution. select all girls looking for sex between 18-22 and click "who is online"? i had about 70 different choices and bombed them all with the same message: "priviet and kakdela, i am in kiev right now, looking for some company, do you have time now? " or similar. about 6 responded with different prices that would range between 450 – 800 grivna, 1 crazy davoushka asked for 700us for a couple of hours.
i chose alona who looked sweet, i would have loved to post her mamba link, but somehow her profile is deleted now. she is 20, a little bit chubby for my taste but not fat, firm ass, firm titts and got a nasty "fuckme" face. she arrived at about 2pm, we agreed on 500 grivna per hour first and then agreed on 800grivna for 2 hours. we had some of this nice georgian wine, we started to kiss a little, cuddled and had some great conversation about kiev, music and such. she went to the bath, took a shower and we headed to the bed. i started with daty, she was very horny and moaned loud, i assume she came once during this. as some members here in isg suggested, once you daty a girl good, she will probably give you a bbbj which she did. then it was her turn, i got a wonderful 20minute bbbj, it was crazy, seeing myself getting this bbbj and watching her little pussy and nice ass on the mirrored cupboard in the bedroom. we had several position, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, doggy and normal missionary. she was really sweet and gave true gfe. 3 shots in 3 hours followed by a massage that was relaxing after all this stress of travelling and searching. i tipped her with another 100grivna which she accepted.
after she left i headed to krischiatik for a walk and fresh air, enjoying all the eye candy that you see in kiev.
i went back home at about 6pm. tried again to call some of the my mamba contacts, again no one answered or the ladies didn't have time or couldn't speak english and communication was not possible. i did another search on mamba clicking the online ladies and started to send my standard text. again about 7-9 answered, i was lucky to hook up with a real beauty called sveta. she promised she would be in my apartment within 30 minutes, which she did. she had long blond hair, slim with nice cubs and a very pretty and nice face. a real stunner. again we had some georgian wine, a chitchat, kissing huddling and talked about weather, music etc.
she went and had a shower, i followed her where she gave me a bbbj in the tup. we dried our self and headed to the bed. this girl was much more interesting for me than the 1st wg, she kissed french, bbbj, several positions. to be honest i came only once. the lack of viagra did the rest. nevertheless she was sweet, we talked a bit, followed by a massage, then she tried some bbbj again, but it didn't help. still i enjoyed every second with her. when she left i had a deep and relaxing sleep. i was tired from the previous days.
friday 21/10/2010
after i woke up i headed to krischiatik, the weather was cold but sunny. lots of eye-candy in the city to look at and get inspiration for the day. at about 1pm i called rakuena, they gave a taxi driver the directions. knowing i am heading to a massage parlor he asked for 100 grivna, i negotiated him down to 70 which was still to much. but ok. i was ready for the day and didn't want to spoil this encounter for 20 or 30 grivna. i arrived, there was a line up of 3 girls, i chose one. as described her in the forum, nice place, nice body massage with happy ending, limited touching, all in all it was ok. following this, thanks to isg members i went to a pharmacy and got the v-pills, i couldn't get the red ones hunter described in one of his reports her.
i went to my apartment after, did some work (good speed internet in the apartment), at about 4pm i was ready for the next cat. i used the same technique (online search) found another beauty called masha 21 years old that was available to come at once. she arrived at my apartment after about 40 minutes, she asked for 600 grivna for cbj, classical sex. but her body and face was to die for. in a scale from 1-10 she was surely a 9, 5 my highest rating ever. the sex was good though i must admit the encounter with the 2 girls the day prior was much better. still i enjoyed this session very much due to the vpills, the session ended with the her telling me, "you are really good", i think she came once during our sex.
after this encounter with the beauty, i need a change. i checked top models, chose a rather older lady. she sent me her address via sms. it took me a while to find the apartment since her english was not so good. i went up to the 10th floor, found her, we agreed on 800 grivna for bbbj, classic sex with 2 rather older ladies, i needed a change. the sex was very good, both ladies were very busty and gave me one of the best bbbj i ever got in my life, i went down on 1 daty which she received very gladly while the other was sucking my dick and playing with her fingers on my anus. those ladies were experienced and i had the feeling they were enjoying the session as much as i did. i extended the session to 2 hours and had a great session with both of them, they both really knew what they did. after this session i was dried out, i headed to krischiatik for some dinner at a restauarant offering own brewed beer and a delicious ukrainian meet soup to regain my strength, i was tired and happy at the same time. i was very satisfied with my trip so far.
i headed to avalon at about 11pm, went to the lounge bar in the first floor, got me a drink and checked out the scene. it was pretty packed and i had to sit in the back area which wasn't really my thing. many beautiful young davoushkas with mostly older men sitting so i went to the higher floor where the disco is. i can't say it was packed with beautiful girls at all. ok, there was some but not the ones i would like to take home to my apartment. so i stayed till 2am, had a dance with a couple of girls, invited some to a drink and then met this young girl who really draw my attention. she was about 19, tall, slim and long brunette heair and an innocent face. i told her i didn't like the music, they where playing russian pop, ok the ukrainians went crazy at this music, was probably 80's night i guess. we agreed we wanted to stay the night together for 1600 grivna. so this was clear. she told me there was a better club, she was a student and was always going there. the clubs name was "forsace" a 3 story building with a lounge at the bottom, an rnb club in the top floor and a techno dance floor in the middle. a lot of studentkas, all somewhere between 18-20 a very nice club and if you don't look to old and into dancing go to this club. fair prices, nice music and lotsa lotsa eye candy. at about 5 we headed to the apartment, i was totally drunk all i remember is we did it without condom and i came over her breasts. i was wasted that night. i woke up at about 10: 30 with a hard dick, she was rubbing her ass at me and it didn't take much and we did it for another time. we went after for some breakfast and she was very nice. we exchanged our numbers and i promised to call her so we could meet again. bbbj, all position, kissing, daty and a true gfe.
8 ladies in 2 days, i was about to break hunters record!
saturday 22/10/2010
i had a rendezvous with a freebee which i met before. lana a beautiful and gorgeous 22 year old girl that just finished her university studies. we met at a previous trip and we continued chatting on skype since then. all i can say, here ends my report. i am crazy in love and we plan to meet again in december.
i hope you can benefir anything from my report as i benefited from others here.
If you mean tomorrow as the Sunday. I'll be in Kiev. Maybe we get a chance to hang out. I'll be somehow online after 4PM. Kiev time.Damn. Wish I can be in Kiev Tomorrow Sunday. I am sure it beats spending Suday in my Local Pub In London with some Old Boring Farts.
If you are there in the next few weeks?, it would be really great to hang out with you, and if I can also Persuade (Old Kiev Hands by now), Ziggyem& Meashearim, to COME Out & ZIG ZAG our way through the SUNADY Pussies in Kiev.
I know 2 is Company, but FOUR of us would be a great Party.
300 for how many hours? of course it was all night? Right?Breakfast in bed after a shower massage!
I was planning to do just what I reported last time but a call from the boss asking for a report rained on my parade. So I finished up work and was too lazy to go out so I called Gia, no trill of hunt but at least the pictures are real (pictures will be posted in foto gallery- see if you can guess who I had!)
She met me at the hotel entrance, tall, slim, nice ass in jeans, nice smile, no visible rack!
I had asked for 3 hours (at $300!) but I like to have a smoke and a drink and take it easy before the deed, sort of break the ice, if you think about it, the extra pay does balance up with club pickings since there is no bar tab, taxi fare etc!
This time unlike last night there was plenty of soft kissing, the BBJ's were done with quite an enthusiasm (not GFE but Debbie does Dallas - Dirty and on the face finish). And her nice ass madeup for the small yet apparently very sensetive tits.
We tried every position in the book and may have come up with a couple of new ones as I had never used the bed and the couch at the same time (partial trill was probably from the fear of falling and breaking my neck) and to be honest she was extremely upbeat about the entire thing. Even brought me back to life when I was ready to throw in the towel! The only disapointment was that she shyed away from A and returned the money for it before leaving giving the old feel good excuse that you are two large- right!!
All and all it was a memorable 3 hours and I guess as soon as the room service brings my dinner it will be a perfect night!
Don't forget to check out the pics- I think you'll agree that the ass was very nice, something this good can cost an arm and a leg in Dubai.
Explorer69
10-30-10, 23:23
Patipa used to do a "foreigners" night on Sundays, not sure if it's still happening but Shooters on a Sunday is very good. Girls only until midnight though))Thanks a lot for this. But where is Papatia? Anybody knows about Budda bar on a Sunday? or Avalon?
Explorer69
10-30-10, 23:25
If you mean tomorrow as the Sunday. I'll be in Kiev. Maybe we get a chance to hang out. I'll be somehow online after 4PM. Kiev time.
I tried to send a PM with my niumber, but you do not receive?
Explorer69
10-31-10, 02:44
Patipa used to do a "foreigners" night on Sundays, not sure if it's still happening but Shooters on a Sunday is very good. Girls only until midnight though))Do you mean that the girls go home at midnight, so one must be earlier?
Anyone know what happened to Ziggy?
Did he ever get laid?
Ziggy, we were not trying to be mean, just helpful.
It's not that difficult. Just get back on the damned horse!Gentleman travel.
You have just had an ISG Intervention.
I am Glad to read that(a Ziggy)is back on the damned horse, wanting to Hang around in Kiev on Sun day Night.
Is he the same Ziggy. You had in mind?
Crocodilechik
10-31-10, 13:32
Hi guys,
First timer on here. Read all posts with interest and very good info. In Kiev soon for a month of fun, been there before but not on the look out for girls. Been on Flirt and have some contacts, can anyone tell me exactly what "sponsorship" involves, is this just a few days or a reagular monthly commitment? Also if anyone has any real feedback on girls from Flirt/top-models (real photo. Nice girls nothing too kinky) I would be thankful. Anyone on the ground in Kiev, would be happy to meet up next month for abeer etc. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Dear fellows
I've been doing my homework on mamba for some weeks and some of the girls I've known mentioned the fact that Opera and Hyatt would not be girl friendly.
Can anyone confirm this? Please consider that I am planning overnight sessions (22:00 to 07:00).
If the problem indeed exists then what should be done? Tip the bellboy? Pretend to go to the bar/casino (at Opera) and then head to the rooms?
Thank you for your help!
Thanks a lot for this. But where is Papatia? Anybody knows about Budda bar on a Sunday? or Avalon?If you are coming from Maidan (Independence Square) and heading to the big entrance of Dynamo Kiev Soccer Stadium. Then it is infront of the entrance or main gate of the stadium.
Gentleman Travel
10-31-10, 16:04
Patipa used to do a "foreigners" night on Sundays, not sure if it's still happening but Shooters on a Sunday is very good. Girls only until midnight though))
Do you mean that the girls go home at midnight, so one must be earlier?
I expect he means that there is sort of a "happy hour" for girls only, until midnight.
Then they throw open the doors and let the horny males in to prey upon the drunken dyevs.
A very progressive and efficient bar policy.
Explorer69
10-31-10, 19:17
I expect he means that there is sort of a "happy hour" for girls only, until midnight.
Then they throw open the doors and let the horny males in to prey upon the drunken dyevs.
A very progressive and efficient bar policy.Aha, stupid me who couldn't understand. Thanks for the information. It sounds like the right night there! the girls are drunk and horny when the guys arrive!
Hmm, I have to get up early tomorrow, maybe better to have home delivery? But VERY good information for another time!
Gentleman travel. You have just had an ISG Intervention.
I am Glad to read that(a Ziggy)is back on the damned horse, wanting to Hang around in Kiev on Sun day Night. Is he the same Ziggy. You had in mind?Jojo, from all appearances we now have two Ziggys. The one who wants to meet up is Ziggy Ines.
The other one, the sniveling coward who amazingly cannot get laid in Kiev, is Ziggym.
I, too, would like to know about Ziggym's attempts to find salvation and nirvana here.
I find that level of attainment almost very night. Must sign off now and get ready for a pleasant nighttime main event.
Dear fellows
I've been doing my homework on mamba for some weeks and some of the girls I've known mentioned the fact that Opera and Hyatt would not be girl friendly.
Can anyone confirm this? Please consider that I am planning overnight sessions (22:00 to 07:00).
If the problem indeed exists then what should be done? Tip the bellboy? Pretend to go to the bar/casino (at Opera) and then head to the rooms?
Thank you for your help!Gia escorts site had a list of major hotels, indicating which ones are GFE& others that are not.
If anyone in the Know, it should be them.
DoctorOral
11-02-10, 09:25
Opera IS GF
Hyatt gives you a call when she leaves (no sign in though) to make sure you are alive and still have your laptop and cellphone.
(they make a note that you arrived with a girl but no need to stop by the front desk!)
Gia escorts site had a list of major hotels, indicating which ones are GFE& others that are not.
If anyone in the Know, it should be them.
Dear fellows
I've been doing my homework on mamba for some weeks and some of the girls I've known mentioned the fact that Opera and Hyatt would not be girl friendly.
Can anyone confirm this? Please consider that I am planning overnight sessions (22:00 to 07:00).
If the problem indeed exists then what should be done? Tip the bellboy? Pretend to go to the bar/casino (at Opera) and then head to the rooms?
Thank you for your help!Hyatt is absolutely friendly if you walk in and escort out the girl, just tried it 3 days ago.
Jojo, from all appearances we now have two Ziggys. The one who wants to meet up is Ziggy Ines.
The other one, the sniveling coward who amazingly cannot get laid in Kiev, is Ziggym.
I, too, would like to know about Ziggym's attempts to find salvation and nirvana here.
I find that level of attainment almost very night. Must sign off now and get ready for a pleasant nighttime main event.Nan. Found a much more interesting obsession.
No wonder, Ziggym, can't get laid in Kiev.
Guess What?.
He has now (Today) poped up in Tel Aviv.
http://www.Internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=928&page=1&highlight=london
I mean what did he do with his apartment in Kiev, which he said he rented for few months?
I tracked down all of Meashearim & Ziggy Ines posts & they were posted around the same time last year.
Now Ziggym, appeared on the Kiev scene around the same time this Year? Same Style, similar tracks, similar Background to user names.
Now a bit of Inductive Reasoning.
If it walks Like a Duck, Swims like a duck, quacks like a Duck, probably then, it is a Duck? /
Can we apply this reasoning to Ziggym, Ziggy & Meashearim?
Going by their posts?
Much more Fun than doing Cross words.
Mea shearim are two words in Hebrew which mean "hundred gates". It is the name of the most orthodox districts in jerusalem. Any body who lives there wears only black suits does etc. I do not know regarding Ziggym or Ziggy but Meashearim is probably Israeli.
Nan. Found a much more interesting obsession.
No wonder, Ziggym, can't get laid in Kiev.
Guess What?.
He has now (Today) poped up in Tel Aviv.
http://www.Internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=928&page=1&highlight=london
I mean what did he do with his apartment in Kiev, which he said he rented for few months?
I tracked down all of Meashearim & Ziggy Ines posts & they were posted around the same time last year.
Now Ziggym, appeared on the Kiev scene around the same time this Year? Same Style, similar tracks, similar Background to user names.
Now a bit of Inductive Reasoning.
If it walks Like a Duck, Swims like a duck, quacks like a Duck, probably then, it is a Duck? /
Can we apply this reasoning to Ziggym, Ziggy & Meashearim?
Going by their posts?
Much more Fun than doing Cross words.
Mea shearim are two words in Hebrew which mean "hundred gates". It is the name of the most orthodox districts in jerusalem. Any body who lives there wears only black suits does etc. I do not know regarding Ziggym or Ziggy but Meashearim is probably Israeli.I have friends in the US& Israel with the Family name Zackem, or others with first or last name Zack.
We always called them Ziggy. But I don't think any of the ones that I Know are Mongers, or even lurking here. But you never can be Sure.
And more Ziggys are Here. Below.
http://www.Machpelahcemetery.org/blY_Z.htm
With Meashearim is (Probably) Hebrew, Israeli, its like saying, the name Mohammed, is probably Muslim.
No need to Duck Test the waters.
Shalom
And more Ziggys are Here. No need to Duck Test the waters. ShalomJojo, what is this obsession over me, and now these Ziggys? And please don't answer that!
Let's get back to sex in Kiev. That is what this forum is about and not male on male obsessions.
Jojo, what is this obsession over me, and now these Ziggys? And please don't answer that!
Let's get back to sex in Kiev. That is what this forum is about and not male on male obsessions.This is about Sex in Kiev Big NAN.
I can understand mongers using different User Names on different Sites (I For one Don't. Got nothing to hide), but to use different user names on the same site?
Not only that, but make up a story about being a newbie to Kiev, and wasting other members time hoodwinking them to believe him in good Faith. I got many PMs from Ziggym, and I answered each & everyone of them. Suddenly he has disapppeared, WHY, I may ask?.
He is making it very difficult for genuine newbies to Kiev to ask questions on the open forum, or to ask for digits via pm.
Now I have a bit of a suspicious mind every time I get a pm from a new member.
The least he could do, is to get back here and tell us, what is it all about?
Why don't you let Ziggym, Ziggy Ins, or Meashearim, answer for themselves?. And please don't lecture me again in the same way you told me first time here, to "read Borat's 69 reports and do exactly as he said". When all I did was trying to ask a question.
This is not about obsession mate. This is about you trying to be high& mighty with me before I even landed in Kiev first time.
I know what this forum is all about, and I don't need to be reminded. But I view this matter much more seriously, than (your view) of some aspects of Hunter Dave Reports.
It is Ziggym, or (whoever) in this case, who is treating members in this case as a Bunch of 15 years old kids, and not Hunter Dave in his posts.
It is very strange that in this case(ZIGGYM posts) you choose a Quiet retreat.
Cheers
Jojo, what is this obsession over me, and now these Ziggys? And please don't answer that!
Let's get back to sex in Kiev. That is what this forum is about and not male on male obsessions.Everything that I post here is something to do with sex in Kiev, or in response to points raised here. Weeding out the info, and trying to locate the, Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
You can't cherrypick the Info. A hidden gem could be lurking in a simple post. Or a a big Scam could be (Uncovered) there in the details.
If you are coming from Maidan (Independence Square) and heading to the big entrance of Dynamo Kiev Soccer Stadium. Then it is infront of the entrance or main gate of the stadium.
Surely that's just wrong. This club is D*Lux
PaTiPa is located on the river in Podil.
Either take metro to Kontraktova and walk down to the water, or go to McDonalds at Postova Ploshcha and walk down main road next to the river, towards Podil (river should be on your right), past Il Patio, keep on going, and club is on right hand side just before the big bridge.
My personal opinion on clubs:
Caribbean is decent fun and plenty of P4P but usually a queue to enter.
Forsage : a decent taxi ride away - typical kids' club, and yes, plenty of young girls, but they don't go there looking to make out with a foreigner, and will often be with their mixed groups of mates (male/female) and you may find it hard to "pull".
D*Luxe is up itself! Trying to occupy same territory as Arena or Decadence when they first opened. Aiming for Elitnii because they spend more. Strict face control, but ok they dress more expensively but the birds are not noticeably better, but spent more on their threads and will charge you more for the privilege, and even a couple of rounds of drinks will leave you wondering if you have enough cash left for a "takeout"
Shooters: always someone in Shooters for each of us!! Some P4P most semi-pro.
PaTiPa : young people's club, and again, like Forsage, many mixed groups, but IMHO more chance here to join in with a group of girls, be a centre of attention, and take one or two back home. It's certainly less painful on the eardrums than Forsage (and more central depending where you stay)
Arena : best avoid now.
Avalon : seems this too is best to skip now, though that is second hand info, I haven't been for a while.
Buddha Bar: lots of girls working here, but too many men, so not a buyer's market. Expensive and face control, but handy as it's central and quite chilled just to go in and enjoy a hookah or a beer. but jeez, the decent cognac is stupid price!! negotiating lower than $200 here is tough, and make sure you agree services and time before you leave, you're dealing with many of the same hardcore from RP, and they work out better than you or me how many men are looking, and whether they will consider "discount".
Hope that helps
Surely that's just wrong. This club is D*Lux
PaTiPa is located on the river in Podil.
Either take metro to Kontraktova and walk down to the water, or go to McDonalds at Postova Ploshcha and walk down main road next to the river, towards Podil (river should be on your right), past Il Patio, keep on going, and club is on right hand side just before the big bridge.Wrong!
Patipa is not in Podil.
The club you mention on the river is Radiohal. It used to be Modabar (for the older mongers under us)
Patipa is indeed in front of the stadium of Dynamo, but on the other site of the road! You walk from Maidan towards Hotel Dnepro. You pass it and keep walking around the corner, without crossing the street. Patipa is about 300 meters on the right side.
When you are in front of the entrance of Hotel Dnepro and u cross the street, there are stairs up the hill. On top of the hill is club Tsar! Also a very nice one ;-)
When you are at the entrance of the stadium of Dynamo, walk the street right towards the water through the little ark. 50 meters on the right side is D-Lux.
Just my € 0,05 ;-)
I expect he means that there is sort of a "happy hour" for girls only, until midnight.
Then they throw open the doors and let the horny males in to prey upon the drunken dyevs.
A very progressive and efficient bar policy.
That's my kind of bar, saves you buying the dyevs lots of drinks first lol.
That's my kind of bar, saves you buying the dyevs lots of drinks first lol.Jerboa,
Kiev is calling for you tp pay a long overdue mongering trip.
Then we can enjoy reading your balanced down to earth reports.
Jerboa,
Kiev is calling for you tp pay a long overdue mongering trip.
Then we can enjoy reading your balanced down to earth reports.
Yes I know, I need to learn some of the lingo, and get my arse over there soon.
Surely that's just wrong. This club is D*Lux
PaTiPa is located on the river in Podil.
Either take metro to Kontraktova and walk down to the water, or go to McDonalds at Postova Ploshcha and walk down main road next to the river, towards Podil (river should be on your right), past Il Patio, keep on going, and club is on right hand side just before the big bridge.
My personal opinion on clubs:
Caribbean is decent fun and plenty of P4P but usually a queue to enter.
Forsage: a decent taxi ride away. Typical kids' club, and yes, plenty of young girls, but they don't go there looking to make out with a foreigner, and will often be with their mixed groups of mates (male/female) and you may find it hard to "pull".
D*Luxe is up itself! Trying to occupy same territory as Arena or Decadence when they first opened. Aiming for Elitnii because they spend more. Strict face control, but ok they dress more expensively but the birds are not noticeably better, but spent more on their threads and will charge you more for the privilege, and even a couple of rounds of drinks will leave you wondering if you have enough cash left for a "takeout"
Shooters: always someone in Shooters for each of us! Some P4P most semi-pro.
PaTiPa: young people's club, and again, like Forsage, many mixed groups, but IMHO more chance here to join in with a group of girls, be a centre of attention, and take one or two back home. It's certainly less painful on the eardrums than Forsage (and more central depending where you stay)
Arena: best avoid now.
Avalon: seems this too is best to skip now, though that is second hand info, I haven't been for a while.
Buddha Bar: lots of girls working here, but too many men, so not a buyer's market. Expensive and face control, but handy as it's central and quite chilled just to go in and enjoy a hookah or a beer. But jeez, the decent cognac is stupid price! Negotiating lower than $200 here is tough, and make sure you agree services and time before you leave, you're dealing with many of the same hardcore from RP, and they work out better than you or me how many men are looking, and whether they will consider "discount".
Hope that helpsNo, sorry you are wrong, This is Patiba. Infront of the Dynamo Kiev Stadium main entrance.
Regarding Forsace, you are right, very young people, not central but if I was alone there and not with my female companion, I would have got some contacts and most probably a freebee for the next days. And I am not 25 nor good looking. If you can't get a Davoushka there then thats your problem. I think it is possible to hook up anywhere anytime with someone.
The good thing about this club is in my opinion the divercity of the Music (Electronic and RnB) and that the girls there don't expect a Sex Tourist to come to this place and are much more relaxed when they see a foreigner.
Just my 2 cents.
Easyease.
Wrong!
Patipa is not in Podil.
The club you mention on the river is Radiohal. It used to be Modabar (for the older mongers under us)
Patipa is indeed in front of the stadium of Dynamo, but on the other site of the road! You walk from Maidan towards Hotel Dnepro. You pass it and keep walking around the corner, without crossing the street. Patipa is about 300 meters on the right side.
When you are in front of the entrance of Hotel Dnepro and u cross the street, there are stairs up the hill. On top of the hill is club Tsar! Also a very nice one ;-)
When you are at the entrance of the stadium of Dynamo, walk the street right towards the water through the little ark. 50 meters on the right side is D-Lux.
Just my € 0,05 ;-)Tsar is now called Stolica. They changed this about 2 weeks ago. Same people, some different decor, same prices, same chicks.
Regards,
Easyease
I will be next week in Kiev for four nights in business, I will appreciate if we can have an uptade of Kiev after RP. I am looking for a beautifull girls to visit me at my hotel,best places to pick up outstanding girls.
I will stay at Hyatt hotel and I will pay the prices for pretty women.
Thanks in advance.
Alescinlondon
11-09-10, 18:38
Dear All,
Thanks for providing those massive amount of informations! I'll be in Kiev this week end with one of my best mate and however I have to admit that I'm quite puzzled with the different choices offered and in the other hand unfortunatelly the short time that we have to enjoy there.
Simple as that, what's your top 5 places (night clubs, bars, etc.) in Kiev you would recommend to a friend to pick up (easy affordable good looking) girls?
Cheers,
Alesc
I will be next week in Kiev for four nights in business, I will appreciate if we can have an uptade of Kiev after rp. I am looking for a beautifull girls to visit me at my hotel, best places to pick up outstanding girls.
I will stay at hyatt hotel and I will pay the prices for pretty women.
Thanks in advance.Hi joe.
I was going to ha ve a bit of a rest from here. But couldn't resist sneeking back, having a looky here & noticed your post.
Since you contacted me first via pm, re your (2nd question), I thought it is in your interest & other first timers to Kiev to have this discussion on the open forum.
I notice that you have been a member of this board for over 5 years and you have a total of (15 posts). 14 questions + only one feedback.
I mean you are not exactly a spring chicken? So I would have thought the answer to you first question on Kiev post rp, is obvious.
Rtff here its all there.
It is obvious from your posts, that money is not an issue for you as you say. But with all due respect to you & your wallet, money can buy a lot of things & not just in Kiev. But finding (your outstanding girls) or as you put it in your pm to me, semi pros models, is going to prove much more difficult, because even in Kiev you need tact& style, to fish them out, or to get a helping hand.
I mention this last point, as you stated in pm, that gia girls are not your style. So the only way you are going to find beautiful semi pro models in Kiev is by you doing a lot of arm+ leg work there.
And once you find them & where you found them, it would be very nice to stick a report here. Then you will find a breezy two traffic open for you next time you go back to Kiev.
Ps. I thought I reply to your question, just in case someone here tries to flame you first.
Cheers
CallSign Papa
11-11-10, 13:21
Dear fellows
I've been doing my homework on mamba for some weeks and some of the girls I've known mentioned the fact that Opera and Hyatt would not be girl friendly.
Can anyone confirm this? Please consider that I am planning overnight sessions (22:00 to 07:00).
If the problem indeed exists then what should be done? Tip the bellboy? Pretend to go to the bar/casino (at Opera) and then head to the rooms?
Thank you for your help!
I've stayed at the Opera a few times, I've seen guys walking through reception with blatent hookers (athough I grant you, in Kiev it is sometimes hard to tell, but not at 3am ;) )
I would say fairly confidently that the Opera is GF.
Hi joe.
I was going to ha ve a bit of a rest from here. But couldn't resist sneeking back, having a looky here & noticed your post.
Since you contacted me first via pm, re your (2nd question), I thought it is in your interest & other first timers to Kiev to have this discussion on the open forum.
I notice that you have been a member of this board for over 5 years and you have a total of (15 posts). 14 questions + only one feedback.
I mean you are not exactly a spring chicken? So I would have thought the answer to you first question on Kiev post rp, is obvious.
Rtff here its all there.
It is obvious from your posts, that money is not an issue for you as you say. But with all due respect to you & your wallet, money can buy a lot of things & not just in Kiev. But finding (your outstanding girls) or as you put it in your pm to me, semi pros models, is going to prove much more difficult, because even in Kiev you need tact& style, to fish them out, or to get a helping hand.
I mention this last point, as you stated in pm, that gia girls are not your style. So the only way you are going to find beautiful semi pro models in Kiev is by you doing a lot of arm+ leg work there.
And once you find them & where you found them, it would be very nice to stick a report here. Then you will find a breezy two traffic open for you next time you go back to Kiev.
Ps. I thought I reply to your question, just in case someone here tries to flame you first.
CheersThe operative Letter should read A , in Sneaking Back
Two Way Traffic , open next time in Kiev .
The operative Letter should read A , in Sneaking Back
Two Way Traffic , open next time in Kiev .You are not easy man, but I will tell you: I am looking for the quality and not for quantity, I will be next week in Kiev for business (four nights), I will follow your recommandation, I will have a guide to access to the best nights clubs etc.
I will give to this forum my feedback after my trip.
I will give to this forum my feedback after my trip.Yeah, right and you also will not come in her mouth.
We have all been besieged by types such as yourself for information and promises of honest reporting afterwards.
Guess what, in at least 95% of the cases, these guys lie and no report follows. When you show solid contributions and not a bunch of questions that can easily be answered if you just RTFF, then you might get some advice.
Insomniaque
11-12-10, 15:52
Hi there,
I just did what you did and it turned out wonderful so as soon as the girl walked out (about 5 minute ago) I began to write this just to thank you with a big grin on my face.Hi Sammybe, and thanks for feedback. Was quite pleasant to read. I am glad my report could help.
As for me I am currently planning my next trip and again I would need some help.
After some work on Flirt (in fact, a lot of work) I have a freebie in line of sight and I need to know where I am going to take her. I thought of a restaurant as a start. Maybe an Italian restaurant (she confessed she did not know Italian food, can you imagine) or a seafood restaurant (she is fond of that). Can anyone recommend a couple of places? I don't need to impress (don't think it's her style) and obviously I do not need to get ripped off. All I need is a nice place with good food and good value for money. May I add that I am rather suspicious against so-called Italian restaurants outside Italy, which are often an outrageous ersatz of the true Italian art. But if anyone knows a place where one can taste genuine Italian food at a decent price, I am all ears.
Secondly, the club. She just loves to dance (and so do I) but she's just arrived in Kiev so she doesn't know the night-life much. Which club should I hit? The point here is not where to find chicks to pick up, but rather where the good sound is. And from what I have seen so far, this is a bit of an issue. The music at Avalon is so-so at best (and I should not even comment on what was played at the otherwise irreplaceable RP, which was just pain to the ears). Now I want to avoid the commercial, mainstream crap, as well as the "eighties are not dead" DJ sets. I am seeking true electro, say deep or progressive house or progressive trance, that would be just fine. (And not too much R'n'B, thank you.) Has anyone an idea?
Other than that and for my guidance, is there the slightest chance to get a massage with something more thrilling than a mere handjob as an ending? BJ? Full service? By RTFF I came to the conclusion that such places did not exist in Kiev, I ask just to make sure once and for all.
Last question, regarding phones. Can I buy just an Ukrainian chip and put it in my EU mobile, will it fit? Or do I need to buy an Ukrainian phone as well?
Thanks in advance!
You are not easy man, but I will tell you: I am looking for the quality and not for quantity, I will be next week in Kiev for business (four nights), I will follow your recommandation, I will have a guide to access to the best nights clubs etc.
I will give to this forum my feedback after my trip.By Joe, hope you have changed your opinion about me by Now?
See how an easyman I was with you in my Post & when I replied to your PMs?
Told you SO.
You are a Businessman & going to Kiev on some Business Right?
So, you are not really that naive, and I am sure you have done some reading here already.. Otherwise you would not have asked me via pms about semi pro models there. I can only assume that you read what I posted about the girl(Student) from Donetsk that has now moved to Kiev, who is my (personal scout) there. I did post that this girl is not for (Sharing.)
If you do bother to read my first posts about Kiev, in the Kiev ecorts section last year. You will see that it took me nearly 2 months of pms & calls to convince her to come to see me in Kiev. I asked a lot of questions & opinions about the ongoing correspondence between us at the time to help me make up my mind.
And when she did turn up in Kiev I treated her really well. Now she calls me her Dream.
Now you tell me since you are looking for Quality, not quantity. Why should I pass on her info on to you or anyone else for that Matter, when she is not on the Mongers Domain? /
What's in it for yours Truly?
My Business in Kiev is having Pleasure there. I spend weeks & months doing research here & there to find the Quality gems.
I suggest that if you are looking for quality you do the same & put some feedback into this Forum first. There are somethings in Life, that your money, or any Money just can't buy, called Style& TACT.
Wasn't lecturing you, just a gentle Reminder.
Hi there,
After some work on Flirt (in fact, a lot of work) I have a freebie in line of sight and I need to know where I am going to take her. I thought of a restaurant as a start. Maybe an Italian restaurant (she confessed she did not know Italian food, can you imagine) or a seafood restaurant (she is fond of that). Can anyone recommend a couple of places? I don't need to impress (don't think it's her style) and obviously I do not need to get ripped off. All I need is a nice place with good food and good value for money. May I add that I am rather suspicious against so-called Italian restaurants outside Italy, which are often an outrageous ersatz of the true Italian art. But if anyone knows a place where one can taste genuine Italian food at a decent price, I am all ears.
Has anyone an idea?
Last question, regarding phones. Can I buy just an Ukrainian chip and put it in my EU mobile, will it fit? Or do I need to buy an Ukrainian phone as well?
Thanks in advance!You must have read my thoughts.
For a Seafood restaurant with a view &Atmosphere head to the other side of the Dnipro.
Right on the river, a reastaurant called Xata Rabata (fisherman's hut).
Address. M Khib, BYA. Pebyhii, bkoro 2.
www.Hata-rybaka. Kiev. Ua.
I took a freebie girl there on a Sunday afternoon. She loved the place, and was so impressed that a newbie such as myself, was able to find the Place.
Of course OLGA, didn't realize that my main interest in finding this place, was trying to locate (A Fish Called WANDA.), yes I do watch old films.
Actually not just one Wanda, but few WANDAS. I read in this forum about a year ago about a Fantastic Strip Club, called(Texi Omut), next to this Restaurant.
So had to do my duty when I was in Kiev, and scouted the restautant first with the Girl & the Club Later on another night.
I already posted on the club here. So no point in repeating myself.
There is a Sauna next to the club. So it might be a nice idea, if you take your girl there after the Meal.
Or even better go to the club. Very nice club and there was a Ukrainaian girl doing some Belly dancing.
One or two girls can do some lap dances for you in the public area or in a Private section.
Girls who are bi get really turned on by it. Even if not they do not find it a turn off.
For other restaurants, I would avoid Italian, and go for restaurants with atmosphere. Live Music, etc.
Georgian or Greek, Russian, etc, even if the food is not top notch, at least a restaurant with lively Music or atmosphere would do the Job.
UA sim cards do fit my Europe Mobile Phone, so should be ok with yours.
Hi there,
Hi Sammybe, and thanks for feedback. Was quite pleasant to read. I am glad my report could help.
As for me I am currently planning my next trip and again I would need some help.
After some work on Flirt (in fact, a lot of work) I have a freebie in line of sight and I need to know where I am going to take her. I thought of a restaurant as a start. Maybe an Italian restaurant (she confessed she did not know Italian food, can you imagine) or a seafood restaurant (she is fond of that). Can anyone recommend a couple of places? I don't need to impress (don't think it's her style) and obviously I do not need to get ripped off. All I need is a nice place with good food and good value for money. May I add that I am rather suspicious against so-called Italian restaurants outside Italy, which are often an outrageous ersatz of the true Italian art. But if anyone knows a place where one can taste genuine Italian food at a decent price, I am all ears.
Secondly, the club. She just loves to dance (and so do I) but she's just arrived in Kiev so she doesn't know the night-life much. Which club should I hit? The point here is not where to find chicks to pick up, but rather where the good sound is. And from what I have seen so far, this is a bit of an issue. The music at Avalon is so-so at best (and I should not even comment on what was played at the otherwise irreplaceable RP, which was just pain to the ears). Now I want to avoid the commercial, mainstream crap, as well as the "eighties are not dead" DJ sets. I am seeking true electro, say deep or progressive house or progressive trance, that would be just fine. (And not too much R'n'B, thank you.) Has anyone an idea?
Other than that and for my guidance, is there the slightest chance to get a massage with something more thrilling than a mere handjob as an ending? BJ? Full service? By RTFF I came to the conclusion that such places did not exist in Kiev, I ask just to make sure once and for all.
Last question, regarding phones. Can I buy just an Ukrainian chip and put it in my EU mobile, will it fit? Or do I need to buy an Ukrainian phone as well?
Thanks in advance!Hi,
1. Restaurant
Normal prices Italian:
Il Patio near Bessarbaka, Pantagruel on Lysenka or Al Faro on Chervonoarmirska. Also good is Amici Mi on Honchara street
More expensive Italian:
The Vinci or Mario.
Normal prices Fish:
Murikami, Yekatorya, Planeta Sushi and Concord on Pushkinska street. The first 3 you find everywhere.
More expensive Fish:
The Vinci fish club
2. Club. just dance no fuck:
Forsage, Sorry Babushka, Faberge
3. Phone
Just buy a regular sim card in Kiev. "Life" is very good. It cost about 35 grivna. Put 20 or 30 grivna on it and you can call during your whole stay. From life to life is free.
You can use it in any phone which is simlock-free.
You are not easy man, but I will tell you: I am looking for the quality and not for quantity, I will be next week in Kiev for business (four nights), I will follow your recommandation, I will have a guide to access to the best nights clubs etc.
I will give to this forum my feedback after my trip.Hi Joe.
I must clarify what you posted.
Asian Chaoes, did ask for suggestions& ideas to guarantee entry to high class clubs, guides etc. What I posted in reply to his questions, were suggestions only, including the Guides, and the VIP fast track clearance at the airport.
He did post that money was not an issue for him as well, so I thought of ideas to fit in with his needs.
I posted a disclaimer that I never used the services of that service provider, but reading the Feedback on their UK site, and the fact that they do have an office in Kiev, made it look very Kosher to me.
Like I said the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
So I hope Asian Chaoes can give us his feedback on his trip.
Whether you post a feedback or not is UP to you.
Frankly I am not holding my Breath anyway.
You see I am a very easy man.
Cheerio
Surely that's just wrong. This club is D*Lux
PaTiPa is located on the river in Podil.
Wrong!
Patipa is indeed in front of the stadium of Dynamo, but on the other site of the road!
Just 2 quotes from quite a few posts concerning location of Patipa....
As I already mentionned before, "Street View" is now available for Kiev and it's no that difficult to check where a club is on a map, with a view of the club itself.
A picture being worth a thousand words, just look here (http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8240/patipa.jpg). ;)
Not quite exactly in front of the Dynamo stadium, but definitely not in Podil. :D
Jim
I should have added that the Restaurnt, hata rybaka, is part of a mini Entertainment Complex on the other side of the River Dnipro.
There are other food choices there as well, in addition to the strip Club & Sauna.
I went to the club one Evening, having ignored the advise of the Barman at my Hotel.
Called for a taxi & got a quote of 70 gryvnas for the return journey to the club & back to. Kreschatick.
When I got to the club, I had a good look and decided to stay for a while.
So I asked my taxi driver to join me for a drink. I Had some really erotic lap dances there.
I think Roman a young Taxi driver, who has never been to a Strip club before, got really carried away with the experience. He switched off the meter when we went to the club, and didn't charge me extra for all the time we stayed there.. We had 2 stunning dancers there for company.
He dropped me later at River palace, and I gave him 30 gryvnas as a tip.
He became my regular driver in Kiev. Saved a lot of money by avoiding the Taxi Mafia lurking outside clubs, who wouldn't move their asses for less than 100 UAH, even for a short ride late at night.
Have a good look here at the food choices & what's avilable.
www.Hata-rybaka.kiev.ua
PS. Someone here promised to give me an update on the place, via Pm.
AsianChaos
11-14-10, 01:41
So I hope Asian Chaoes can give us his feedback on his trip.
My trip got delayed till the 25th of Nov. And you can be rest assured that you will be getting feedback along with the pictures to back it up.
I have gotten in touch with a tour company and they have arranged hassles free entry into Shooters, Avalon and Arena along with a female guide. I will know more about the service once I am on the ground.
As for the woman - I do not if I enough time to meet up with all of them. I have 15 short-time (1 hour) girls lined up along with possible 8 freebies and then ofcourse we have the clubs at night.
Detailed report will follow once I am in Kiev on the 25th.
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