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Amunra
02-10-11, 19:51
I don't understand. If you don't speak Russian and they don't speak English, how were they able to give you their phone numbers in the first place?

They use translation software, too?I wrote them in Russian with transletor and they wrote me in Russian and I translate in english

Sponsor74
02-10-11, 23:31
somebody who is a newbie but knows the business.

it's exactly as you say, i got nearly 100% contacts via mamba (i use the ua version, flirt). unfortunately the real meat market (river palace) is closed so. for going from mabba to love, flirt etc is simple just copy and paste the suffix. with the address of the dating site you use.

mind also that the number of pics automatically indicated is often not true, and that girls openly seeking for sponsors are often not in pink. in pink are 'w*h*o*are*e*s' in the proper term. (not even the mystery tramp was in pink!) so look inside.

search for newer profiles or girls on line, mind that all girls in the whole world are lying on age, this of course is not a real problem when you get in bed with a girl which is 24 and told you she is 22, but in the database it's full of **** and even very feminine transsexuals! so be really careful!

even if they are not pros many of the girls will make an overnighting. sometimes its really a naïve nice gfe, last was with katya and nastya, three days of pure fun: some presents, dinners, and some money for shopping. a nice italian dinner (made by myself) in of course not stunners, but very skilled (in sex and in bbbj!). sometime they are students just in need of some $$$ like inga. just disappeared a pity a real cum dump!

if you are a foreign you might expect that girls accept 5/10 years more than what they indicated. try also to contact non pro, ore use the option for non pro girls. you might find little jewels.

generally the rules are easy.

when you contact a girl and get an answer with a telephone number and an hourly price she is a pro. (of course) a correct price might be between 2. 500 to 3. 500 per whole night (depending on what you ask and how the girl is).

usually profiles with model style photos are fake (i mean you get another girls.)

search for normal girls, in the kiev oblast (they can take a bus for 1 to 5 usd to come). some are doing just for fun.

http://flirt.com.ua/orange2005_06/

http://flirt.com.ua/ladycow/

miss u profiles, mind that several pics in the profile are mine! do not know why but it's a no no for bj she just like fucking (in both holes) , just for fun and you will pay for some shopping. she is a 180/70/1. 5 and rides cow girl as hell (ask some seniors.)

for my next ua trip i am more concentrated on some teenager 18-19 blonde or reddish, you know pale white fresh skin and the pink they have between the legs wow!

http://flirt.com.ua/juliafull/

found my little goddess. 19/155/42/1 (approx) brunetka blonde colored, very very close to what i would like to have in bed. a trip to lvov was not a problem. but no overnight (she has to go home to sleep) and only sex in missionary, no bj even. 200 usd for a long afternoon so not worth the money, but i'm very envious of the guy photographing her with his sky blue 'oxford' shirt (same as mine!). because she said that anal was too painful for her. he must have drilled her!

even one of the kiev myths among mongers has a mamba profile. but she is not active any more (here also some pics are mine!

http://flirt.com.ua/sweetmail-a5346/

one of the best bbbj + cim and some swallowing (if drunk).

one of the thing i'm promising my self is that when i find one i like (nastya for instance) i'll take her for a nice vacation to the seaside. to make her happy and drill her all the night. the simple problem is where to go in vacation with a girl (nastya would be ok she is 24, but seems close to 30) which is 18 or 19 while you are 50? may be odessa?

profiles with several photos (in different environments and different clothes) are usually true other less. some girls ask for crazy prices some for normal.

some are really incredible, an unused profile for a while, exactly the softie i would have in bed. but unfortunately the cum on her face is not mine!

http://flirt.com.ua/mashka-chups/

just my two cents.

ithello, both sites seems to be the same, but in my experiences i can register myself with differents ids and emails otherweise i will be rejected. some girls are the same in both sites; however, not sure which sitte offers more chances or girls? any advice about quantity quality of the girls and more efficient for a meeting?

Guntherus
02-11-11, 00:46
You can ask them if they want you to be sponsor.

Then tell us what reaction you got.


Thanks Roll Buzz.

Can some one suggest me the first type of massege to send to a girl on mamba to have a high chance of answering basicaly my first messege is like this : Hi My name is A. And am coming to Kiev soon and I would like to meet you, so if you are interested send me your mobile number and conditons. What do you think about this first messege? Can I do better?

AR

Bimbo Boy
02-11-11, 01:17
But beware, she is a high maintenance kind of girl. She works in the local TV station, meets a lot of high rollers, and has high expectations. Only for deep pockets. Well educated, perfect English. 21 years old. I test drove her, but I had better and cheaper options.

145947, 145948

Harry Hirsch
02-11-11, 07:32
At first you must know, what you want)

One Night or longtime, longtime is much cheaper, but it mean 5-7 Nights with the same girl.

Try this) for longtime:

It is in English, translate it to Russian.

Hi beautiful (Name).

I'm coming next week,

For one week, to Kiev.

You want be my Girlfriend in this time?

You speak a little bit English? (this only, if she not write "speak English")

When you get a answer she is interested.

Normally it is a short answer.

If she not speak English, it is better stop it! To difficult, for longtime.

You write after this.

I like your beautiful eyes. .

It is not only sex,

We go to Restaurant, Bar, Disco, Opera.

And you show me Kiev.

I sponsoring you because you take your time for me. !

You get 8000grn for one week and we go shopping.

(be care with shopping, it is dangerous)

If she answer about this, it is all clear)

You have this girl, now speak about the sex.

You must speak about all what you want!

And let the door open, if its not work with us

We can stop after the first night and you get 1500grn.

(maybe is this the way for one night stand.)

I hope this helps.

For me work it very fine.

Don't start it to earlie, one week before it is enough)

Amunra
02-11-11, 19:35
Thanks for the sugestions Harry Hirsch

The only thing am concernd now is the language barrier.

So please tell me those girls that I have contacted and got mob number but they don't speak english I better forget them because once am there it will be a waiste of time to comunicate with them and I will get nothing even if for short time like few hours?

Note that I know what I want I want to spend like 3 hours with each girls I prefer shorter time but different one every time.

Amunra
02-11-11, 19:36
Hi can some one help me in this

Once in Kiev Am wondering if it is possible and how to approche girls in the street or bars ect. To take them in bed! Example you are at a bar and you spot a particular girl what to do, you go and talk to her and try to figure out if she is willing to give her self for some cash, you tell her straight away. Can some one suggest me what and how to do?

AR

Amunra
02-11-11, 19:41
Hey guys,

Once am in Kiev I want to practise safe sex only so am wondering if I will find a problem if I ask the girls for oral with condom what ido you think?

AR

Amunra
02-11-11, 19:46
Hi

Please tell me on Mamba it is better to have a profile with photo or with out photo?

AR

Harry Hirsch
02-12-11, 10:02
If you not have problem to take a picture from you to Mamba, then do it.

When you want only short time, you can do it without any talking!

Speak about all with girls before, take enough condoms with you!

Wish you much fun.

Amunra
02-12-11, 20:40
Hi can some one help me in this

Once in Kiev Am wondering if it is possible and how to approche girls in the street or bars ect, To take them in bed! Example you are at a bar and you spot a particular girl what to do, you go and talk to her and try to figure out if she is willing to give her self for some cash, you tell her straight away. Can some one suggest me what and how to do?

AR

Mystery77
02-13-11, 00:59
Hey guys,

I'm seeking an apartment or flatshare in the centre area of Kiev.

I want to be around the most english speaking, closest bars & clubs, etc.

However I don't want to pay $1500 a month! I'm looking to stay for 2-3 months mid March on.

Good apartment internet cleaning standard, though not tourist prices!

Any ideas or news on sharing, central locations. To costs? Lets talk!

Cheers

AZN Monger
02-13-11, 05:01
Hi can some one help me in this

Once in Kiev Am wondering if it is possible and how to approche girls in the street or bars ect, To take them in bed! Example you are at a bar and you spot a particular girl what to do, you go and talk to her and try to figure out if she is willing to give her self for some cash, you tell her straight away. Can some one suggest me what and how to do?

ARI'm starting to think this is the "Amunra asks a question" forum. Is it difficult for you to consolidate all your questions into one post instead of creating post after post of questions?

Curlyjoe
02-13-11, 12:00
Hi can some one help me in this

Once in Kiev Am wondering if it is possible and how to approche girls in the street or bars ect, To take them in bed! Example you are at a bar and you spot a particular girl what to do, you go and talk to her and try to figure out if she is willing to give her self for some cash, you tell her straight away. Can some one suggest me what and how to do?

ARLook at her eyes. If you can see dollar signs in there, then offer money, if not just ask her to follow you and she will.

Come on! No such things as a receipe in this. Kiev is no different than the rest of the world, girls are human beings not robots! Their beauty lies in their personality as well! Don't treat them like animals, that's a good starting point.

It Travel
02-13-11, 15:34
Hello, both sites seems to be the same, but in my experiences I can register myself with differents IDs and emails otherweise I will be rejected. Some girls are the same in both sites; however, not sure which sitte offers more chances or girls? Any advice about quantity quality of the girls and more efficient for a meeting?As far as I know the database is the same, the order might be different. On ground of who looks and the present or VIP status they get.

IT

AColonizer
02-13-11, 15:53
Herr Harry,

I like your style very much. Is is a pity we can't communicate by email because you have no subscription. How can I get links about Christina?


Yes Christina is a very kind, friendly and beautiful girl, speak good english and she is funny.

I stay with her last year 1 week full time and I get full service without limit.

She not like anal, but her other service is very good.

She show's me Kiev we walk trough the town at the morning time at 7am)

Making Pictures and have fun.

And she deleted now her picture, but she has 2 accounts.

Harry Hirsch
02-13-11, 21:16
Use searching at Mamba.

21 170 58 dark haired, smoke, english, at this time without Picture.

Name is writed in Kyrilisch KpNcTNHa; the N, this you must turn)

I hope it helps you.

I write too in other International Guides on the World.


Herr Harry,

I like your style very much. Is is a pity we can't communicate by email because you have no subscription. How can I get links about Christina?

HunterDave
02-13-11, 21:30
Had a small window to visit the Kiev (paradise) for about 4 nights in early December. It was getting cold in Kiev and my big head told me to hold off till spring, but my smaller head kept saying 'go for it. ' The smaller head prevailed. I thought it would be nice to visit and maybe enjoy and spread some holiday cheer and anything else I might be able to 'spread. ' I planned for some non-pro action and hoped to get a little Ho, Ho, Ho action while I was in town.

The Best Laid Plans.

I got caught in the first bad weather wave for Europe this winter which still seems to be hanging around both here in the US and in Europe. It bit me in the rear end and impacted the amount of my stay in Kiev and caused me to implement a few back-up plans.

Initial flight over the Atlantic caught turbulence and I missed my Paris connection by 20 minutes. Damn separated terminals at DeGaulle! No more directs to Kiev that day. But a chance to connect to Kiev thru Vienna (flight plan B). The best laid plans did not account for 2 ½ hours waiting for wind de-icing before Paris departure. Missed my Vienna connection that night. Damn that weather! Missed out on my first night line-up (I had 3 lined up, a re-do freebie, and 2 new hotties that wanted to help christen my apartment that first night. Damn that weather! I told them via mamba and SMS I would need a re-check / re-do. Flight plan C had me on an AM flight to Kiev. Finally.

My initial plan after the first 3 hotties, night one, was to bring in a 'friend', Anastasia, a 20 year old, from Odessa. We had been chatting on mamba for a good month. Initial plan was for her to come for 2 nights (nights 3 & 4) , but after all our chatting online she said she wanted to come for a 3rd night. I had promised her some 'shopping money' for the 2 days. She said she would throw the 3rd night in as a freebie! The problem was that I had a tight schedule planned even before the bad weather, to 'hit' the 1st night three hotties and then to open my place for the Odessa 20 year old who caught the night train to Kiev. She arrived in Kiev before I did. Needless to say she was a bit worried if I was going to make it to Kiev at all!

When I called her from Vienna, she was sitting in a coffee shop in Kiev waiting for me. She was not a happy camper and begged me to call the apartment rental agency to let her in to my rental. After a few calls and SMSs from her I decided I would call the rental agency. They asked me about her and then said she could go by and get a key. This was not in my plans and actually against my best judgment (not sure which head I was using) , but she beat me to Kiev, so I said ok. This was one hell of a risk. If she had not been the girl in the fotos. Which she reassured me over and over it was her. I took the leap and to my surprise she had been true to her word. If it had not been, she would have been out on the street or back on the afternoon bus or evening train back to Odessa. In total disclosure, she did tell me she had a couple she knew that lived in Kiev from the past summer in Odessa (turns out she knew Irish Lad and his girlfriend) so I thought I would be safe with letting her in the apartment.

Day 1 in Kiev

UA apartments had a driver to pick me up at KBP and via direct to check-in and then to my apartment on Shota Rostevelli. Knocked on the door and when the door opens there stands a 180cm tall brunette, with green eyes, wearing a Victoria's Secret white teddy. Just for me! With a nice little bow on the panties ass. Gift wrapped for me to unwrap and enjoy. Needless to say, even though I was tired from my travels. I came to attention very quickly. I dragged my suitcase in and proceeded to give her a big hug and kiss. She was very hot in that teddy! The 'twins' were bursting to be let loose.

I jumped into the shower to clean up so I could immediately start to unwrap my 'present' and go to work on this hottie. She was a very good kisser, enjoyed (with much moaning) my kissing that tall frame all over. Had to get her ready to take off the Teddy top to release those gorgeous 'twins', nice set of Cs! DATY got her even more excited. Great BBBJ. She loved all the positions, but liked it most when I nailed her in doggie. After a good first round, I had her give me a nice massage and then we both took a short nap. When we woke up she asked what I wanted to do, so I went in for round 2. Very nice in the sack! She 'luv'the me loong time'!

We cleaned up and after a very nice dinner (some real hot looking women at the restaurant above the Arena Bar) linked up with Irish Lad and his girlfriend at Arena City Bar. Had a nice time and headed back to my place for more sex and sleep. As cold as it was in Kiev and the draftiness of the apartment, having a nice 'hot' body up against you helps you sleep nicely. Much better than a hot water bottle! Next morning she thoroughly enjoyed helping to relieve my 'morning wood'. Just like so many of these Ukrainian women. Like a good carpenter, no 'wood' goes wasted! Gives new meaning to the sports term 'riding the pine. ' She loved that wood!

Live long and monger!

Hunter Dave

HunterDave
02-13-11, 21:34
Day 2 in Kiev.

Received several SMS's from the hotties I was supposed to link up with from the 'lost' first night, so after a late breakfast Anastasia said she wanted to go shopping (with Irish's girlfriend) since I had a business meeting to go to, so I gave her some 'shopping money', dropped her at Irish's and told her I would call her when I would be back at the apartment. My little head was overriding my big head, so I SMS'the one of my hotties to link up with her at my place later, had my business meeting and headed back to my place. This was a 19 year old student, which I met in a previous trip, whom I knew I would have a great repeat performance with. She was late arriving due to the traffic but dressed very nicely. She has a nice tight little body, about 167 cm, but long dirty blonde hair and nice set of Bs. (To not offend some I will dispense with some of the details). She continues to improve with her BBBJ skills. When I first started working with her last May she had a tendency to gag when she took in all of me. Now she only partially gagged. She likes to lick and suck (to include my balls). While she enjoys missionary, she seems to really enjoy doggie long and hard, with some nice gentle hair pulling and slapping that ass! A few nice hours in the sack with her. I gave some taxi fare and some rent money (she never asks, never even looks when I hand it to her) and off she goes. A fine piece of tang. Memorable and for sure a repeat performer in the future.

Ana came back with several shopping bags excited to show and model it all for me. She had a nice time shopping and I got to taste more of the Kiev talent. We both got what we wanted.

We linked up with Irish and his girlfriend and went to a club called Azure. Nice eye candy, but not really worth the entry (300 grivna). We had a nice time dancing, enjoyed scoping the hotties out and back to my place for some private fun. And nice having a warm 'hot' body to snuggle up to all night.

Day 3

Late wake-up, lunch at The Patio, a few more SMS' from a few mamba hotties, decided to send Ana off to shop some more, so I could find more 'hot' strange. While it was nice having Ana, I wanted more. I always want to maximize my time while in Kiev to get to meet and hopefully snag as many hotties as I can. I mean who goes to a candy store and only buys one kind of candy and only eats and sucks on that one candy (maybe if I was in town for a longer period of time I would think differently-but not now)? I was only in Kiev for 3 nights due to the weather problems, so I wanted to make the most of it. When I first planned the trip it was to be 2 nights chasing and bedding as many hotties as I could, then to bring in Ana for 2 nights of partying and lots of sex (like Olya from my August trip last year). After I agreed to be with Ana for that 3rd night, that left only one night of pure mongering which the weather took from me, so I had to modify the last 3 days game plan to at least try to meet 2 of the 3 from the planned first night. Granted Ana was good, but everywhere we went I saw other hotties which made me want more different strange. I had conflicting heads taking the lead and my little head had taken over. .

I told Ana I had another 'business meeting' that afternoon and would call her when I was free. I had been SMSing with a 21 year old brunette who I had hoped to meet that first night and she said she still wanted to meet. I told her I had a tight schedule but hoped we could meet. She came about an hour later, dressed in a nice tight little black dress. We worked out our deal and details on Mamba beforehand, so after a glass of wine, we cleaned up and went to bed. She was a tall brunette. 175 cm, and slender, nice set of Bs. Very nice BBBJ skills and seemed to love all positions. She stayed for more than 2 hours for 600 grivna and taxi fare. A nice late afternoon break!

Ana came back, modeled a few new outfits and we again linked up with Irish and his girlfriend and then headed to Avalon to meet several others. Irish got us a booth and the partying began! Lots of dancing and drinking. The women had lots of shots! I had a great time meeting Irish's friends and their girlfriends. Since this was my last night I wanted to have a good time. I did see a few of my other 'friends' from previous Kiev visits, we chatted and I will keep them in mind for future visits. One was one the 2 blondes I partied with (at Avalon and Vodka Bar) from my September trip. She looked 'hot. ' Ana was pretty drunk from the shots so needless to say the 'drunk sex' back at my place was very hot later that night!

The driver came by and picked me up at 10 AM and drove me to the airport. Ana was still in bed. Not bad. She was waiting for me in the apartment when I arrived and stayed in my bed as I left. I enjoyed my time with her but there were a few negatives. She took way too long to get ready. She must have changed her outfits each evening 3 or 4 times. All were hot, but damn, why? It could drive a guy crazy! She also had a heated phonecon with her old boyfriend in the bathroom. Not my cup of tea! I considered her a bit too much high-maintenance and too much excess baggage for me. But she was a good lay and having her warm hot body up against me at night was pretty nice with the cold winter outside! I will post a few fotos later.

I tried to keep out a lot of the details from my travails since in my previous posts many have said they do not like all the details; yet on the other side they then seem to want to count my # of pops in a 24 hour period with my hotties as a lead in to tell us all how virile they are and that they do not need the generic viagara-amazing. Wow, they don't give any details of their conquests, yet throw in their virility after a weak attempt to challenge someone else's posts. Next thing you know some of these 'blue bloods' will be comparing their cock lengths and girth here on the ISG and telling us how big and wide they all are. Too bad we do not get any of their travails details, only posts looking to nitpick other mongerer's posts. Oh well, to each his own.

Stay horny my friends!

Hunter Dave

Harry Hirsch
02-14-11, 11:14
She have new account with Pic.

Take a look for "Lady in Red"


Herr Harry,

I like your style very much. Is is a pity we can't communicate by email because you have no subscription. How can I get links about Christina?

Brotherrabitt
02-14-11, 14:04
A New Zealand radio station has been criticized for running a contest giving male listeners the chance to win a wife.

The winner of The Rock FM's competition will be flown to Ukraine for 12 nights to pick their future wife from a bride agency, reports Metro.

"It's actually going to happen. And oh boy are there going to be some people with their panties in a twist over this one," says the blurb on the station's website.

"The Rock is giving away a wife! But we're not going to give this opportunity to just anybody. To weed out the no-hopers and time-wasters, we've developed the application form below.

"If you're interested in holy matrimony with a potentially hot foreign chick, fill it out to the best of your abilities."

Not to be put off by the complaints, numerous men have entered the competition and appear happy to have their profiles shown on the radio's website.

Defending the station, The Rock FM program director, Brad King, said the competition was "a bit of a laugh".

"At the end of the day, it's up to both people if they decide to get married and return to New Zealand. We're not actually marrying anyone or bringing women back to New Zealand," he said.

Start123
02-14-11, 23:59
How much money did you offer the girls? When you said shopping money. How much did you give her? Also, what was your reply rate on Mamba?

When I was in Kiev, I contacted several girls, two replied with rates 300USD for a meeting. I found it to be a bit expensive.


Day 2 in Kiev.

Received several SMS's from the hotties I was supposed to link up with from the 'lost' first night, so after a late breakfast Anastasia said she wanted to go shopping (with Irish's girlfriend) since I had a business meeting to go to, so I gave her some 'shopping money', dropped her at Irish's and told her I would call her when I would be back at the apartment. My little head was overriding my big head, so I SMS'the one of my hotties to link up with her at my place later, had my business meeting and headed back to my place. This was a 19 year old student, which I met in a previous trip, whom I knew I would have a great repeat performance with. She was late arriving due to the traffic but dressed very nicely. She has a nice tight little body, about 167 cm, but long dirty blonde hair and nice set of Bs. (To not offend some I will dispense with some of the details). She continues to improve with her BBBJ skills. When I first started working with her last May she had a tendency to gag when she took in all of me. Now she only partially gagged. She likes to lick and suck (to include my balls). While she enjoys missionary, she seems to really enjoy doggie long and hard, with some nice gentle hair pulling and slapping that ass! A few nice hours in the sack with her. I gave some taxi fare and some rent money (she never asks, never even looks when I hand it to her) and off she goes. A fine piece of tang. Memorable and for sure a repeat performer in the future.

Ana came back with several shopping bags excited to show and model it all for me. She had a nice time shopping and I got to taste more of the Kiev talent. We both got what we wanted.

We linked up with Irish and his girlfriend and went to a club called Azure. Nice eye candy, but not really worth the entry (300 grivna). We had a nice time dancing, enjoyed scoping the hotties out and back to my place for some private fun. And nice having a warm 'hot' body to snuggle up to all night.

Day 3

Late wake-up, lunch at The Patio, a few more SMS' from a few mamba hotties, decided to send Ana off to shop some more, so I could find more 'hot' strange. While it was nice having Ana, I wanted more. I always want to maximize my time while in Kiev to get to meet and hopefully snag as many hotties as I can. I mean who goes to a candy store and only buys one kind of candy and only eats and sucks on that one candy (maybe if I was in town for a longer period of time I would think differently-but not now)? I was only in Kiev for 3 nights due to the weather problems, so I wanted to make the most of it. When I first planned the trip it was to be 2 nights chasing and bedding as many hotties as I could, then to bring in Ana for 2 nights of partying and lots of sex (like Olya from my August trip last year). After I agreed to be with Ana for that 3rd night, that left only one night of pure mongering which the weather took from me, so I had to modify the last 3 days game plan to at least try to meet 2 of the 3 from the planned first night. Granted Ana was good, but everywhere we went I saw other hotties which made me want more different strange. I had conflicting heads taking the lead and my little head had taken over. .

I told Ana I had another 'business meeting' that afternoon and would call her when I was free. I had been SMSing with a 21 year old brunette who I had hoped to meet that first night and she said she still wanted to meet. I told her I had a tight schedule but hoped we could meet. She came about an hour later, dressed in a nice tight little black dress. We worked out our deal and details on Mamba beforehand, so after a glass of wine, we cleaned up and went to bed. She was a tall brunette. 175 cm, and slender, nice set of Bs. Very nice BBBJ skills and seemed to love all positions. She stayed for more than 2 hours for 600 grivna and taxi fare. A nice late afternoon break!

Ana came back, modeled a few new outfits and we again linked up with Irish and his girlfriend and then headed to Avalon to meet several others. Irish got us a booth and the partying began! Lots of dancing and drinking. The women had lots of shots! I had a great time meeting Irish's friends and their girlfriends. Since this was my last night I wanted to have a good time. I did see a few of my other 'friends' from previous Kiev visits, we chatted and I will keep them in mind for future visits. One was one the 2 blondes I partied with (at Avalon and Vodka Bar) from my September trip. She looked 'hot. ' Ana was pretty drunk from the shots so needless to say the 'drunk sex' back at my place was very hot later that night!

The driver came by and picked me up at 10 AM and drove me to the airport. Ana was still in bed. Not bad. She was waiting for me in the apartment when I arrived and stayed in my bed as I left. I enjoyed my time with her but there were a few negatives. She took way too long to get ready. She must have changed her outfits each evening 3 or 4 times. All were hot, but damn, why? It could drive a guy crazy! She also had a heated phonecon with her old boyfriend in the bathroom. Not my cup of tea! I considered her a bit too much high-maintenance and too much excess baggage for me. But she was a good lay and having her warm hot body up against me at night was pretty nice with the cold winter outside! I will post a few fotos later.

I tried to keep out a lot of the details from my travails since in my previous posts many have said they do not like all the details; yet on the other side they then seem to want to count my # of pops in a 24 hour period with my hotties as a lead in to tell us all how virile they are and that they do not need the generic viagara-amazing. Wow, they don't give any details of their conquests, yet throw in their virility after a weak attempt to challenge someone else's posts. Next thing you know some of these 'blue bloods' will be comparing their cock lengths and girth here on the ISG and telling us how big and wide they all are. Too bad we do not get any of their travails details, only posts looking to nitpick other mongerer's posts. Oh well, to each his own.

Stay horny my friends!

Hunter Dave

Mystery77
02-15-11, 01:05
As titled, where would one stay to be in easy easy! Access to all your loving needs at reasonable monger rates.

My first trip to Kiev though I'm not a dope, & enjoy cutting costs.

It Travel
02-15-11, 09:15
as titled, where would one stay to be in easy easy! access to all your loving needs at reasonable monger rates.

my first trip to kiev though i'm not a dope, & enjoy cutting costs. rent a one room central apartment. with daily cleaning, they call it "studio" should be less than 70-80 usd. you get a shithole hotel for the same amount, and have (in cheap hotels) to bribe the security to get in.

we have spoken a lot on apartments here so. i'm not pomping anyone but i ususally use the same, booked well time before so i even get the same apt.

for instance at apartments. com. ua (my favourite) you have luxury central studios with all you need (bed, kitchen, jacuzzi for two, hi speed internet etc etc.) between 65 to 85 euro / day, far less than a same level hotel.

my favourite is apt 2140. and you can see it in many photos i've done, a good compromise between quality and price, superbly located in front of arena. 5 min from the metro. 2 min from the central market. 10 nice bars within 2 min walk for nice breakfast. even with the best italian coffee (illy caffe)

of course in non central areas you have a lot of alternatives, starting at 65 usd / night.

i do not know you citezenship, but if you do not need a visa to get to ua you do not get to register as a foreigner in the city.

it

HunterDave
02-15-11, 23:01
How much money did you offer the girls? When you said shopping money. How much did you give her? Also, what was your reply rate on Mamba?

When I was in Kiev, I contacted several girls, two replied with rates 300USD for a meeting. I found it to be a bit expensive.123,

When I line up my mamba hotties I try to thoroughly work out all my details before I meet with them. I negotiate price, confirm 'real foto' (they all say they are real. LOL) , if they are independent, amount of time, BBBJ, DFK, all positions, etc. This helps to further cull them from the fakes, of which their are many on the mamba site. Spend some time conversing with them and you will increase your percentage of meeting with the kind of hottie one does desire to nail. When you have limited time in Kiev, you want to make the most of your time and get the best 'bang for your buck. ' And if you have done your work right, alot of bucking and sucking' is in your future.

For Ana I agreed to give her some 'shopping money' 800 grivna, each day (Friday and Saturday) (not bad for having her with me for 24 hour period-but I did pay for meals and was kind enough to give her a bed to sleep and frick-in) and the remainder ($150) on the last day. A very good deal for the price. And she was very happy as was I. .

The 19 year old college repeat performer I gave cab fare and $50 for 'lunch money. ' She never even looks and is always writing me on mamba (even today) to get back their so she can practice her massage and improving oral skills. You got to love helping out for higher education! She reminds me of Chevy Chase's movie Christmas Vacation, 'the gift that keeps on giving. '

Stay hungry and horny my mongerer friend!

Hunter Dave

SailorSailor
02-16-11, 14:25
I totally agree with you. I spend considerable amount of of time with mamba girls. I can't recall any of them asking less than 100 USD / hour. They are almost in a deal not to quoteless than a minimum amount 100 USD / hour. Hunter should have a magic word.)


How much money did you offer the girls? When you said shopping money. How much did you give her? Also, what was your reply rate on Mamba?

When I was in Kiev, I contacted several girls, two replied with rates 300USD for a meeting. I found it to be a bit expensive.

TheKnight
02-17-11, 05:30
In the US it would be called price fixing. They talk and know what the other girls are charging and what they can charge. If a new girl comes in and charges to little, believe me, they will find out soon and straighten her out even sooner.Do you actually believe what you write, or is it more fantasy like your prices?

Genuine mongers take no notice of such nonsense. I have met HunterDave and he's a good guy, and no bullshit. We have both had many girls from Mamba at well under 800UAH hr. $100/800UAH is escort rate. And no private / independent girl will be "straightened out" by Carib / Vodka escort or anyone else!

A girl will often quote 800 on Mamba, or even more. But with only a couple of exceptions I have negotiated price down after a few nice messages, and also on EVERY occasion I have extended the time for the 800. The usual rate I expect to pay is about 600 / hour or 1000/3 hours.

And thereafter, if you get good service and you're happy, there is every chance you can lower the rate further, or get much longer if the girll likes you. Sorry, but for those who don't believe, this is the truth, at least for me and a few others I have corresponded with on here.

I'm not so frequent on Mamba anymore as I do have one long-term GF and two others I am trying to keep happy, but I cannot resist the odd new Mamba conquest, or Rios (or Solid Gold) dancer to keep up to date with the new meat on the market! But Mamba should be the place for freebies first, p4p second. It worked for me!

Back to the glorious motherland in 2 weeks.

Happy hunting!

K

Brotherrabitt
02-17-11, 13:10
Do you actually believe what you write, or is it more fantasy like your prices?

Genuine mongers take no notice of such nonsense. I have met HunterDave and he's a good guy, and no bullshit. We have both had many girls from Mamba at well under 800UAH hr. $100/800UAH is escort rate. And no private / independent girl will be "straightened out" by Carib / Vodka escort or anyone else!

A girl will often quote 800 on Mamba, or even more. But with only a couple of exceptions I have negotiated price down after a few nice messages, and also on EVERY occasion I have extended the time for the 800. The usual rate I expect to pay is about 600 / hour or 1000/3 hours.

And thereafter, if you get good service and you're happy, there is every chance you can lower the rate further, or get much longer if the girll likes you. Sorry, but for those who don't believe, this is the truth, at least for me and a few others I have corresponded with on here.

I'm not so frequent on Mamba anymore as I do have one long-term GF and two others I am trying to keep happy, but I cannot resist the odd new Mamba conquest, or Rios (or Solid Gold) dancer to keep up to date with the new meat on the market! But Mamba should be the place for freebies first, p4p second. It worked for me!

Back to the glorious motherland in 2 weeks.

Happy hunting!

KI fully agree with what you are writing. I know it is easy for me to say, as I am in the glorious mongerland at least one week per month so it's easy to "cultivate" freebies, either through Mamba or in any club / bar / restaurant you decide to "do your thing". Of course,"no game-no honey", no difference in Kyiv than any other city in the world in that regard.

Experience saves money, I am sure I paid more when I visited Kyiv for the first time some years ago, but nowadays in places like Buddha Bar or Carib Club, US200 for as long as the little fellar does his work or I decide to kick them out, or, in the case when the chemistry is right until breakfast / lunch / dinner the next day. If you insist you can pay more of course :).

The only price fixing I have ever encountered in Kyiv was between my willie and my wallet.

Knight, I am beating you by one week to the glorious mongerland, still pecker-freezing weather, but it can't be too long until the first "mini skirt day" or, in other words, the official start of the Kyiv summer:).

Have fun.

BR

Uke Boy
02-17-11, 13:51
In the US it would be called price fixing. They talk and know what the other girls are charging and what they can charge.What do you call the rates that you charge?

I call it EXTORTION!

It would be a wonderful gesture if you permanently lowered your incredibly high rates to even that of the mamba girls.

Until then, mamba is a much better and safer option than Vodka Escort or Gia.

Caribescort
02-17-11, 19:59
I am not sure that Extortion is the correct word.

Extort: to obtain from a person by force, intimidation, or undue or illegal power.

You don't have to use our service. We obviously don't force anyone to do anything. You seem happy with the way you meet girls, Good. Our clients our happy also. They want someone that speaks good English, that they can take out to any restaurant & have a good dinner and quiet conversation, that they can expect a high level of service, and they do not want to have to go look for it. They want us to bring that all to them. And we do. Some men like to go out looking and some men do not. Some men have no problem with paying our prices.

Your way isn't 'The Way' it is just a way and the way we do it isn't 'The Way' it is just another way.

http://www.vodkaescort.com/


What do you call the rates that you charge?

I call it EXTORTION!

It would be a wonderful gesture if you permanently lowered your incredibly high rates to even that of the mamba girls.

Until then, mamba is a much better and safer option than Vodka Escort or Gia.

Uke Boy
02-17-11, 20:49
I am not sure that Extortion is the correct word.OK, so let's call it Fraud, Robbery, or any other crime related to the taking away of money from trusting souls under less than honest circumstances.

You charge rates way out of line with the norm in Ukraine. Your ladies are photo-shopped way over the top and don't give good service. That point you don't even want to answer.

How about doing something right for a change. Give good service at a fair price, a fair price for Ukraine.

If you can't do that then you have no business pimping your agency in this forum. If you do post, expect justifiable criticism and be prepared to defend your over the top rates and bottom of the barrel services from your "employees."

Caribescort
02-17-11, 23:36
Fraud=Intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right be : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting.

We are cheating no one, we do exactly what we say we will do, the models on the website are exactly the model they will meet, and the services our clients receive is exactly what we tell them it will be. We tell them exactly what all their expenses will be. Our clients are very happy. We have many repeat clients, in fact most of our clients our repeat clients.

Robbery=Larceny from the person of another by violence or threat.

Well clearly this doesn't apply either.

As for the trusting souls quite to the contrary are clients are usually the more sophisticated and experienced traveler. We do not have many people that meet the escort for any considerable length of time on the first meeting. Usually it is a 3 hour meeting the first time and then over time they increase the time to days. Some of the escorts with a large and well established repeat client list will only work for a minimum of 24 hours.

The rates we charge are not at all out of line for a escort agency. We have a lot of competition and charging rates that were considerable higher than other similar agencies would have obvious repercussions.

Now the comments about the service confuse me. Have you been a client of mine? If so what exactly happened that gave you the impression that we do not give good service? If this is the case please contact me on the VodkaEscort email and use the email you used to book the meeting. I will be able to connect you to the date of the meeting. I would like to talk to you about who you met and what went wrong. If you have not been a client then I am even more confused. How would you possible know anything about our service?

Clearly you are upset about the way our clients choose to spend their money.

Why?

http://www.vodkaescort.com/gallery.php


OK, so let's call it Fraud, Robbery, or any other crime related to the taking away of money from trusting souls under less than honest circumstances.

You charge rates way out of line with the norm in Ukraine. Your ladies are photo-shopped way over the top and don't give good service. That point you don't even want to answer.

How about doing something right for a change. Give good service at a fair price, a fair price for Ukraine.

If you can't do that then you have no business pimping your agency in this forum. If you do post, expect justifiable criticism and be prepared to defend your over the top rates and bottom of the barrel services from your "employees."

TheKnight
02-18-11, 00:25
Fraud=Intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right be : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting.Quite brilliant! Hoist by your own petard! Do you use photoshop, or another editing programme to alter the look of your "models". Err. YES!

Does this misrepresent the true look of the girl. Oh sorry,"model"? Errrr. Defintely.

Are your profiles of girls 100% truthful or a "perversion of the truth in order to induce" a client to part with cash? Errr. No the profiles are not 100% truthful.

And that's before we even get into your astonishingly high rates! For me you can charge what you wish, some people are stupid enough to pay it's their business. And I hope if I write Vodka Escort Ukraine Kiev Kyiv here it may show up in a few search engines when people are looking, and they can then read the truth and decide for themselves. Unless they are in Ukraine as of course you dare not open your domain in the motherland.

And please sir, when you try to write about clients wanting girls who can conduct themselves in a good manner, trying to infer you have class, at least try to learn the difference between "our" and "are" etc etc.

So, back to the point. Are you conducting fraud as per your own definition? I rest my case your honour!

GUILTY!

Climaxnow
02-18-11, 02:15
Caribescort, I can't help but feel that you are marketing in the wrong forum.

Ziggym
02-18-11, 05:05
Finally I am returning to Kiev and staying for a while. Before I was there for 3 weeks and then a day before leaving and wasn't sure I'd come back.

I had lots of good info from people here and never partook in Ukraine. I found Russia easy, if not a tad dangerous, so I was a bit over my head in Ukraine. It's too bad the last 12 pages that I haven't read up on are all filled with bickering. Anyone want to give me any quick easy tips? I'm still upset about arriving just a few weeks after the boat was closed down, people still tell stories about that.

Maybe things will pick up after the Eurocup in 2012.

Uke Boy
02-18-11, 06:02
Fraud=Intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right be : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting.That exactly is the definition of Vodka Escort!

How so kind of you as a pimp to tell us about your business model!

You still refuse to address the real issues, Carib / Vodka. Your W+hores are second rate and way, way overpriced.

Their reported services are shit. They demand additional monies after garbage delivery of lousy grossly overpriced services.

Why do you, as the pimp provider, not address these issues?

I have written to Jackson your improper posts but it seems he is in another world and as yet has not banned you. I hope it is just a matter of time before you as super-pimp disappear from the forum.

I also hope since you have nothing positive to add other than promote your overpriced and underwhelming be+itches that you answer the real questions about your prices and lack of enthusiastic be*itches who want huge amounts of cash for no services rendered.

You are a coward and an asshole pimp who refuses to address the fact that your services are extreme to the max for Ukraine.

Come on boy, come out into the open about your "agency" and its huge prices and lousy w+hores.

Caribescort
02-18-11, 07:00
We have clients that use this forum. This one and the Punta Cana / DR forum both. I have private messages from men that would like additional information at this time. I also receive direct emails from men seeking information and they tell me that they have seen me write on this forum. I suspect that some of my past and future clients are reading this at this time.

I am certain that this will be no shock to some of the more thoughtful of the readers, but many men do not consider these 'astonishingly high rates'. They pay these rates without even blinking. They do not consider our services 'extreme to the max'. It is just how they prefer to meet escorts and spend their money. And they have the money to do it.

It seems that the impression by some here in this forum is that our typical client is some naïve beginner that we, like some predator, are swooping in and taking advantage of. Then after they see the advantages of other systems of meeting escorts they stop using our services. In reality our clients are more experienced than most. They choose to meet escorts this way. They do not want to get in a taxi and go to a bar and negotiate personally with the escort. They want us and are willing to pay us to do exactly that.

I am here because many men do not want to meet escorts this way. They don't like it for any number of reasons and they quit altogether.

To those men I am speaking now. Don't quit, regardless if you do it as Uke Boy & TheKnight choose too or you contact me or another agency about how they work or you find one escort you like and sponsor her or any number of other ways to do this. Continue to do it, don't quit. It is an extremely fun and rewarding way to live.

Considering the nature of this forum I am surprised that some of the clearly abusive and irrational verbiage that you can see below toward men who choose to live differently, is accepted and tolerated.

Personally I think that these men can spend their money however they choose. It is their money and what they are doing in the long run is no different than going to Mamba or Buddha or sponsoring one girl or any number of other systems that we all have seen. However different men choose to do it is essentially all the same, sex for money.

http://www.vodkaescort.com/gallery.php


Caribescort, I can't help but feel that you are marketing in the wrong forum.

Caribescort
02-18-11, 07:20
Hello, Ziggym.

I live in Odessa and am very familar with Kiev, Ukraine, & the current situation with this hobby / industry. I would be glad to answer any questions.

Ask me something specific, if I can help I will.

Thanks.

CE.


Finally I am returning to Kiev and staying for a while. Before I was there for 3 weeks and then a day before leaving and wasn't sure I'd come back.

I had lots of good info from people here and never partook in Ukraine. I found Russia easy, if not a tad dangerous, so I was a bit over my head in Ukraine. It's too bad the last 12 pages that I haven't read up on are all filled with bickering. Anyone want to give me any quick easy tips? I'm still upset about arriving just a few weeks after the boat was closed down, people still tell stories about that.

Maybe things will pick up after the Eurocup in 2012.

Sorbonne
02-22-11, 00:11
Vodka / Caribe is a serious scam. They post photos of girls they don't have and try to bring customers to Ukraine. And once the customers are in Ukraine, they say the girls are not available at the moment and recommend uglier girls they have available.

I can't wait for your smart-ass answer :) .

DoctorOral
02-22-11, 12:01
Playing Mamba is easy, istnt it?

Me:

I want to eat dinner with you.

And have some fun.

*

When you want to meet?

Day, time?

And for each meeting I prefer present from you. Smth like $100.

To get more satisfaction. And to come back.

This Friday, Saturday. I can't. Go to parents.

Other time will be ok.

*

This Thursday for me will be. Ok.

This Friday late evening (8-9 pm). Ok. We could spend this night together.

Next week. Every day. Ok.

Next Friday. Ok. We could spend this night together.

Next Saturday. Ok. But I should go home at night.

Caribescort
02-22-11, 13:45
You might find Ukraine better than Russia, I never felt that the girls in Russia were as organized and open as Ukraine. Of course ever city has places to go and meet escort, but here in the Ukraine they just seem to arrange it all so easily for the buyer and the seller to meet.

I love Russia, the history and the culture, but for the girls it is Ukraine. Go to Odessa in the summer. That place is the best for Eastern Europe.

I don't think any of it is dangerous, but then I speak the language so that may help.

http://www.caribescort.com/

http://www.vodkaescort.com/


Finally I am returning to Kiev and staying for a while. Before I was there for 3 weeks and then a day before leaving and wasn't sure I'd come back.

I had lots of good info from people here and never partook in Ukraine. I found Russia easy, if not a tad dangerous, so I was a bit over my head in Ukraine. It's too bad the last 12 pages that I haven't read up on are all filled with bickering. Anyone want to give me any quick easy tips? I'm still upset about arriving just a few weeks after the boat was closed down, people still tell stories about that.

Maybe things will pick up after the Eurocup in 2012.

Amunra
02-23-11, 19:43
Hi,

Thanks to all of you here, I think I have enough information so I decide to go to Kiev, am going in April for 6 days. But please tell me On Mamba how exactly are recognized the freebie from the pro? The freebie do put on there profile that they offer sex for money? I notice that there are girls that on there first answer they give you there prices and all conditions so am assuming that those are the pro but am still not sure who are the freebies? Can some one elaborate on this!


Playing Mamba is easy, istnt it?

Me:

I want to eat dinner with you.

And have some fun.

*

When you want to meet?

Day, time?

And for each meeting I prefer present from you. Smth like $100.

To get more satisfaction. And to come back.

This Friday, Saturday. I can't. Go to parents.

Other time will be ok.

*

This Thursday for me will be. Ok.

This Friday late evening (8-9 pm). Ok. We could spend this night together.

Next week. Every day. Ok.

Next Friday. Ok. We could spend this night together.

Next Saturday. Ok. But I should go home at night.

Brotherrabitt
02-24-11, 08:02
Hi,

Thanks to all of you here, I think I have enough information so I decide to go to Kiev, am going in April for 6 days. But please tell me On Mamba how exactly are recognized the freebie from the pro? The freebie do put on there profile that they offer sex for money? I notice that there are girls that on there first answer they give you there prices and all conditions so am assuming that those are the pro but am still not sure who are the freebies? Can some one elaborate on this! Hi,

The answer is so obvious that I am wondering if I understand your question properly. A "pro" is someone whom you have to pay to have sex with, a freebie is someone you have to wine & dine & charm your way into her knickers.

So they both cost money, but in a different way, a freebie could end up being much more expensive than a pro, but you have the gratification of a "good hunt".

On Mamba, if they write "I offer sex for money" or "I am looking for a sponsor" and reply to your message with a price list, I think you can safely assume they are "pro's", but I am sure your figured this one out yourself.

If they do not write any of the above, again I would safely assume they are not "pro's", and I would personally refrain from asking questions like "what services do you offer" or "how much per hour / night", unless of course you like to be verbally kicked in the balls :).

A "non-pro" is not necessarily a freebie, that depends if you can lure her into your bed or not, only then they acquire the status of "freebie", and until they remain "targets" or "prey".

Now, to confuse you even more, a "pro" can become a freebie, depending on how well you play the game, most pro's probably do not want to remain pro's all their lives, and, experience tells me, can be convinced you are the "re al deal" and therefore refrain from asking money on an hourly basis, but on a weekly / monthly basis. Some people call this "sponsorship", others call this "marriage" :).

Now freebies can be very "pro" in assessing if you really love them, I. E. If you can provide long term financial stability for her and her first / second / third marriage offspring, and once you have passed this test, will also start asking money on a weekly / monthly basis, which again can be called "marriage" or "sponsorship".

There is a third category, which you will surely find on Mamba as well, but in any case in most bars and clubs, which are the just-looking-for-fun wodka happy party loving women, who are just interested in a one night stand (or two). This is what I would call a ons-freebie, as you do not pay an hourly rate, or weekly or monthly.

I know I am painting a fairly black-and-white picture here, and these are just my observations, other people will surely have other experiences, but in Kiev, on Mamba or most other clubs and bars a foreign visitor would go to, you basically have three options: real "pro's", supposedly "long term" freebies and ons-freebies, each of course requiring a different approach and positioning.

I am being a bit cynical in my reply, but that is probably because I do not understand your question properly. Take it with a grain (or skip) of salt :).

Have fun.

BR

Caribescort
02-24-11, 15:15
Wow.

I wish I would have written that.

What BR calls cynical you could also call the truth.

I particularly enjoyed and agree with this statement:

'Some people call this "sponsorship", others call this "marriage"'

Prostitution is a sliding scale here in the Ukraine, Actually I believe it is everywhere.

The girls look at this as a job. They are all looking for a 'sponsor'. I know girls that have 3-4 fiancés in the US and all of them send them money. I have seen girls that have 4-5 engagement rings. These girls are extremely talented at appearing genuine and sincere. They will say exactly what you want to hear and they will act exactly the way you want them to, naïve, innocent, school girl or insane sex vixen. You will never know who or what they really are.

But I have really very little to add to that well written and insightful post.

http://www.vodkaescort.com/

http://www.caribescort.com/


Hi,

The answer is so obvious that I am wondering if I understand your question properly. A "pro" is someone whom you have to pay to have sex with, a freebie is someone you have to wine & dine & charm your way into her knickers.

So they both cost money, but in a different way, a freebie could end up being much more expensive than a pro, but you have the gratification of a "good hunt".

On Mamba, if they write "I offer sex for money" or "I am looking for a sponsor" and reply to your message with a price list, I think you can safely assume they are "pro's", but I am sure your figured this one out yourself.

If they do not write any of the above, again I would safely assume they are not "pro's", and I would personally refrain from asking questions like "what services do you offer" or "how much per hour / night", unless of course you like to be verbally kicked in the balls.

A "non-pro" is not necessarily a freebie, that depends if you can lure her into your bed or not, only then they acquire the status of "freebie", and until they remain "targets" or "prey".

Now, to confuse you even more, a "pro" can become a freebie, depending on how well you play the game, most pro's probably do not want to remain pro's all their lives, and, experience tells me, can be convinced you are the "re al deal" and therefore refrain from asking money on an hourly basis, but on a weekly / monthly basis. Some people call this "sponsorship", others call this "marriage".

Now freebies can be very "pro" in assessing if you really love them, I. E. If you can provide long term financial stability for her and her first / second / third marriage offspring, and once you have passed this test, will also start asking money on a weekly / monthly basis, which again can be called "marriage" or "sponsorship".

There is a third category, which you will surely find on Mamba as well, but in any case in most bars and clubs, which are the just-looking-for-fun wodka happy party loving women, who are just interested in a one night stand (or two). This is what I would call a ons-freebie, as you do not pay an hourly rate, or weekly or monthly.

I know I am painting a fairly black-and-white picture here, and these are just my observations, other people will surely have other experiences, but in Kiev, on Mamba or most other clubs and bars a foreign visitor would go to, you basically have three options: real "pro's", supposedly "long term" freebies and ons-freebies, each of course requiring a different approach and positioning.

I am being a bit cynical in my reply, but that is probably because I do not understand your question properly. Take it with a grain (or skip) of salt.

Have fun.

BR

Amunra
02-24-11, 21:20
Brotherrabitt yes you did understand exactly what I was asking. It may be obvious for you but for me wasn't because just now I have discovered this whole (Mamba Girls Kiev Nailing Trip) and now I have a better pictures in my mind, so thanks a lot for the very detailed answer!

I heard about River Palace, I know that was a sort of ship casino but can some one tells me what realy was from a monger point of view, and why it was so particular and missed?

AR


Hi,

The answer is so obvious that I am wondering if I understand your question properly. A "pro" is someone whom you have to pay to have sex with, a freebie is someone you have to wine & dine & charm your way into her knickers.

So they both cost money, but in a different way, a freebie could end up being much more expensive than a pro, but you have the gratification of a "good hunt".

On Mamba, if they write "I offer sex for money" or "I am looking for a sponsor" and reply to your message with a price list, I think you can safely assume they are "pro's", but I am sure your figured this one out yourself.

If they do not write any of the above, again I would safely assume they are not "pro's", and I would personally refrain from asking questions like "what services do you offer" or "how much per hour / night", unless of course you like to be verbally kicked in the balls.

A "non-pro" is not necessarily a freebie, that depends if you can lure her into your bed or not, only then they acquire the status of "freebie", and until they remain "targets" or "prey".

Now, to confuse you even more, a "pro" can become a freebie, depending on how well you play the game, most pro's probably do not want to remain pro's all their lives, and, experience tells me, can be convinced you are the "re al deal" and therefore refrain from asking money on an hourly basis, but on a weekly / monthly basis. Some people call this "sponsorship", others call this "marriage".

Now freebies can be very "pro" in assessing if you really love them, I. E. If you can provide long term financial stability for her and her first / second / third marriage offspring, and once you have passed this test, will also start asking money on a weekly / monthly basis, which again can be called "marriage" or "sponsorship".

There is a third category, which you will surely find on Mamba as well, but in any case in most bars and clubs, which are the just-looking-for-fun wodka happy party loving women, who are just interested in a one night stand (or two). This is what I would call a ons-freebie, as you do not pay an hourly rate, or weekly or monthly.

I know I am painting a fairly black-and-white picture here, and these are just my observations, other people will surely have other experiences, but in Kiev, on Mamba or most other clubs and bars a foreign visitor would go to, you basically have three options: real "pro's", supposedly "long term" freebies and ons-freebies, each of course requiring a different approach and positioning.

I am being a bit cynical in my reply, but that is probably because I do not understand your question properly. Take it with a grain (or skip) of salt.

Have fun.

BR

Brotherrabitt
02-25-11, 09:25
'Prostitution is a sliding scale here in the Ukraine, Actually I believe it is everywhere. '

I agree with this observation, I think it is universal, and it is a sliding scale. I can only speak from my own experience, so I am not pontificating some universal truth here, after 25 years of travel in C / E Europe I continue to be amazed by the love and loyalty these women have for their, sometimes truly shitty, husbands. Its part of the attraction I feel for these women as well.

At the same time, as most women (and men) , they want some sort of long-term financial stability, specially of course in CEE, where for so long people had almost no opportunity to improve their lives. Ok, long term financial stability is stretching the term 'prostitution' a lot, but to a certain extend it is part of the gender roles these women want.

That's another reason I like and respect CEE women, they are down to earth and know what we as men want; we want a woman who looks like one, and not some obese sack of potatoes, wearing a jogging suit to the supermarket with an ass as big that it looks as if two elephants are wrestling when she walks, and take care of us in way that a woman should, in terms of love, support and of course sex. At the same time, they want us to be real men, take the lead and of course provide for the family financially and not some soft metrosexual who starts to cry when he sees Bambi on the Disney Channel. And of course most of them also have brains, which can be a plus as well :).

I have no point to make, it's just rambling diatribe, just wanted to express my respect and admiration for these beautiful women 'in the east'. The only thing I am trying to express is that they will love and be loyal to their partners / husbands, but the man needs to stick to his side of the bargain as well. It is not 'prostitution' per se, but the financial element is always present in the relationship.

'I heard about River Palace, I know that was a sort of ship casino but can some one tells me what realy was from a monger point of view, and why it was so particular and missed? '

Amunra, RP was a boat on the Dnieper full of hardened pro's and the preferred spot for lots of foreigners to Kiev. It was towed away some time ago, and does no longer exist. However, my UA friends told me that it is being refurbished now but no idea if it will come back as a w***e-house or not. Of course the girls migrated to other spots, such as the Buddha Bar, where, in the bar area at least, you will only find pro's nowadays. It's a safe spot for a first time or short time visitor to go to and pick someone up. Expect them to ask for U500, but most of them will agree to something like U200. U300. Most days of the week I think it closes relatively early at 02. 00. I never go to places like Shooters, Arena, Avalon, D'Lux, etc so you need to ask others about the 'pro density' and price levels in these places. But even in relatively 'normal' places such as the Caribbean Club, or Dockers, you will find pro's, if you see 1 or 2 women sitting at the bar, just talk to them and you will find out quickly enough if they are just having a girls night out, or are looking for business.

For your upcoming trip you can of course organise it like a military campaign, time-scheduling girls through Mamba or an escort agency, which is fine of course, or you can just go with the flow, go to the places I have just mentioned, or others, but you need to ask someone else here, and you will find pro's in any shape, colour, form and age (well, mostly young of course) easily.

Kyiv is a great city, but its' entertainment is fairly dispersed, it's not a compact city such as Copenhagen or Amsterdam, make a list of places you want to visit and take a taxi from one place to another. Or walk, and enjoy the 'sights' :), whatever you fancy.

Have fun.

BR

Random One1
02-25-11, 10:11
To start, I have gone through several pages of the forum posts to get info about planning a trip to Kiev. In the past, my vacations were primarily to the Dominican Republic, UK, and some EU countries (didn't play much there).

I don't plan to visit Kiev until May, I think, and therefore, am planning on trying to learn some Russian. I've registered on Mamba but am not getting their "Real" txt msg on my US phone (I'm in South East Asia at the moment). But I plan on researching amply over the next couple of months.

One question I do have for someone like me; what are some of the upscale and reasonably priced hotels to stay at for, say, about 10 days for such a vacation (girl friendly et al)? It sounds like the long timers tend to rent apts but not knowing anyone there, I'm not sure how I'd manage that.

Thanks

Random One1
02-25-11, 10:15
I forgot that posting hotel names may not be proper. Feel free to PM if you have anything specific in mind.

Thanks

Brotherrabitt
02-25-11, 14:08
I forgot that posting hotel names may not be proper. Feel free to PM if you have anything specific in mind.

Thanks. .......You never wanted to know about Kyiv:

http://www.inyourpocket.com/ukraine/kyiv/hotels/apartmentrental

Have fun.

BR

Random One1
02-25-11, 14:19
Have fun.

BRThank you BR. I was wondering how to view the apt choices when reading through some reports of distinction.

Now I wish I could download all this so I could read up offline during my return flight to the US. LOL

Caribescort
02-25-11, 14:47
Once again I agree with all this.

I think you are getting most of your questions answered. At the risk of starting a firestorm of criticism because this is not a travel forum. I want to add a few things.

As BR said 'Kyiv is a great city' A truly historic city, a beautiful & old city.

During the day find a girl you like and have her show you the city.

If you enjoy 20th century history, as I do, think about going to the Great Patriotic War museum. If you are really interested in history go to and spend time at Babi Yar. You will see a different view of WWII than you may be used too. I am not going to go into the particulars of Babi Yar on this forum. Look it up if you are interested or send me a PM. If you go to Babi Yar my only advice would be to make sure you talk to your girl and tell her where you are planning on going, this is a very emotional location for many Ukrainian citizens, for instance me.

Enough of the dark side. See Independence Sq and St Sophia's Cathedral. Both beautiful and fun places. I was in Independence Sq for the Orange Revolution. In the US they thought we had a revolution, I thought we had the best party ever.

Sorry if this is totally off topic.

http://www.caribescort.com/

http://www.vodkaescort.com/


'Prostitution is a sliding scale here in the Ukraine, Actually I believe it is everywhere. '

I agree with this observation, I think it is universal, and it is a sliding scale. I can only speak from my own experience, so I am not pontificating some universal truth here, after 25 years of travel in C / E Europe I continue to be amazed by the love and loyalty these women have for their, sometimes truly shitty, husbands. Its part of the attraction I feel for these women as well.

At the same time, as most women (and men) , they want some sort of long-term financial stability, specially of course in CEE, where for so long people had almost no opportunity to improve their lives. Ok, long term financial stability is stretching the term 'prostitution' a lot, but to a certain extend it is part of the gender roles these women want.

That's another reason I like and respect CEE women, they are down to earth and know what we as men want; we want a woman who looks like one, and not some obese sack of potatoes, wearing a jogging suit to the supermarket with an ass as big that it looks as if two elephants are wrestling when she walks, and take care of us in way that a woman should, in terms of love, support and of course sex. At the same time, they want us to be real men, take the lead and of course provide for the family financially and not some soft metrosexual who starts to cry when he sees Bambi on the Disney Channel. And of course most of them also have brains, which can be a plus as well.

I have no point to make, it's just rambling diatribe, just wanted to express my respect and admiration for these beautiful women 'in the east'. The only thing I am trying to express is that they will love and be loyal to their partners / husbands, but the man needs to stick to his side of the bargain as well. It is not 'prostitution' per se, but the financial element is always present in the relationship.

'I heard about River Palace, I know that was a sort of ship casino but can some one tells me what realy was from a monger point of view, and why it was so particular and missed? '

Amunra, RP was a boat on the Dnieper full of hardened pro's and the preferred spot for lots of foreigners to Kiev. It was towed away some time ago, and does no longer exist. However, my UA friends told me that it is being refurbished now but no idea if it will come back as a w*e-house or not. Of course the girls migrated to other spots, such as the Buddha Bar, where, in the bar area at least, you will only find pro's nowadays. It's a safe spot for a first time or short time visitor to go to and pick someone up. Expect them to ask for U500, but most of them will agree to something like U200. U300. Most days of the week I think it closes relatively early at 02. 00. I never go to places like Shooters, Arena, Avalon, D'Lux, etc so you need to ask others about the 'pro density' and price levels in these places. But even in relatively 'normal' places such as the Caribbean Club, or Dockers, you will find pro's, if you see 1 or 2 women sitting at the bar, just talk to them and you will find out quickly enough if they are just having a girls night out, or are looking for business.

For your upcoming trip you can of course organise it like a military campaign, time-scheduling girls through Mamba or an escort agency, which is fine of course, or you can just go with the flow, go to the places I have just mentioned, or others, but you need to ask someone else here, and you will find pro's in any shape, colour, form and age (well, mostly young of course) easily.

Kyiv is a great city, but its' entertainment is fairly dispersed, it's not a compact city such as Copenhagen or Amsterdam, make a list of places you want to visit and take a taxi from one place to another. Or walk, and enjoy the 'sights', whatever you fancy.

Have fun.

BR

It Travel
02-27-11, 12:19
Once again I agree with all this.

I think you are getting most of your questions answered. At the risk of starting a firestorm of criticism because this is not a travel forum. I want to add a few things.

As BR said 'Kyiv is a great city' A truly historic city, a beautiful & old city.

During the day find a girl you like and have her show you the city.

If you enjoy 20th century history, as I do, think about going to the Great Patriotic War museum. If you are really interested in history go to and spend time at Babi Yar. You will see a different view of WWII than you may be used too. I am not going to go into the particulars of Babi Yar on this forum. Look it up if you are interested or send me a PM. If you go to Babi Yar my only advice would be to make sure you talk to your girl and tell her where you are planning on going, this is a very emotional location for many Ukrainian citizens, for instance me.

Enough of the dark side. See Independence Sq and St Sophia's Cathedral. Both beautiful and fun places. I was in Independence Sq for the Orange Revolution. In the US they thought we had a revolution, I thought we had the best party ever.

Sorry if this is totally off topic.

http://www.caribescort.com/

http://www.vodkaescort.com/The prices of the links are totally crazy.

Are you pimping?

Friends go on mamba, flirt or love (same database) and you will find nice real teens for less than half!

IT

Papwo
02-27-11, 14:15
This side here is for real progress reports with ladies, apartments,"clubs". Not for pushing some web sites or agencies.

I thinkl caribescort is just trying to push his website nothing else. At least at every second report, a pic of one the the girls from there is added.. STOP IT.

I want to read and write here about real reports. It seems you are a pimp nothing else.

Uke Boy
02-27-11, 16:03
The prices of the links are totally crazy.

Are you pimping?

Friends go on mamba, flirt or love (same database) and you will find nice real teens for less than half!

ITIT, he is a pimp of the worst sort who is spamming this forum with his garbage and his lies.

Guys, as IT says, go on mamba or any of its variants and you will have a much better time for much less money with better looking women.

Who knows, maybe he is involved in the seamier parts of the sex business such as sex slavery so it is best to stay away from him and his dubious overpriced services where only he makes any money.

It Travel
02-27-11, 16:07
IT, he is a pimp of the worst sort who is spamming this forum with his garbage and his lies.

Guys, as IT says, go on mamba or any of its variants and you will have a much better time for much less money with better looking women.

Who knows, maybe he is involved in the seamier parts of the sex business such as sex slavery so it is best to stay away from him and his dubious overpriced services where only he makes any money. Thanks Uke.

The ordinary asked price of a pro ins 400-600 grivna / hour or 2500-3000 grivna / night. Of course you can bargain. But you can't get a stunner teen in your bed for 50 bucks.

Sponsorettes are cheaper (and usually do better sex too).

IT

Just a sample of a reddish I'll drill next time I'm there...
http://flirt.com.ua/maximum_2/

She goes for 300 USD/day + 500 grn for anal. She has even a pink maid dress WOW...

Climaxnow
02-27-11, 22:11
IT, he is a pimp of the worst sort who is spamming this forum with his garbage and his lies.

Guys, as IT says, go on mamba or any of its variants and you will have a much better time for much less money with better looking women.

Who knows, maybe he is involved in the seamier parts of the sex business such as sex slavery so it is best to stay away from him and his dubious overpriced services where only he makes any money. A savvy pimp is very scary!

Delwand
02-28-11, 02:02
So last week I was informed by my boss that I would be sent to Kiev to teach for a few weeks. I wasn't really sure how I felt about that at first. I knew that the Ukraine was filled with beautiful young women on the scene but I always had an image in my head about eastern europe as very harsh and unfriendly. Boy does it seem like I was way of base. I normally go to Thailand or the Philippines for my mongering and was afraid I wouldn't find the same GFE and happy attitude here. Again it seems I was sorely mistaken. Anyways first things first,

I show up at the airport with mixed feelings about this little assignment. I get checked in and head out to what was the smallest comercial aircraft I've ever seen for long haul travel (it was aerosvit airlines ). Allready I was getting big red mental flags flashing in my mind. Inside the plane the seats weren't that bad though (only 3 seats per row ). The stewardess'es were all extremely friendly and the flight was quick and pain free. 3 hours later I arrive at Kiev airport and breeze through immigration. The guy didn't even want the arrival card he just threw it away and said you have EU passport. I exchange some cash and hop in a taxi.

My company had reserved an apartment for me right in the heart of the city and I was very impressed it's standard, thinking an apartment over here would surely be very basic but it was definately "business" class like it said on the voucher. I get a quick shower and figure I was going to head out and try some nightclubs or possibly stip clubs. I step outside and it's freezing. The big screen on the nearest high rise reads. 13 degrees C. I look at my watch and see it is allready 22:00. I decide to head back inside and try one of the escort services on the web. I remember some posters mentioning the top modal website so I surf in and browse the selection. I decide to go for the only girl that has some english text in her ad hoping she wrote it herself and speaks as well as she writes. 22 year old Polina,

http://www.top-modals.com/?id=1770#f2

I make the call and indeed the girl on the phone speaks decent english. I am relieved and ask her if she is available. She says she will be here in 20 minutes. After closer to 40 minutes she text's me that she is downstairs. I go down and greet her and Imediately realize this is not the girl I spoke to on the phone. The girl standing before me is definately the girl in the photo's so I was quite happy about that but her english is very very limited. I take her up and she ask's me in her broken english if there is a problem. I say no, I just expected you to speak english but we will make due darling don't worry. She looks at me with a blank expression as she didn't understand a word I said. I use my body language to invite her in and offer her something to drink. Her mood instantly changes and she comes in and sits on the couch. I take a seat next to her, put my arm around her and bring up google translate. We negotiate a while and come to the agreement that she would stay 3 hours for 1600 UAH. The website say's she charges 800 per hour so I guess I got an hour free bonus. I give her the cash upfront and we get down to business.

As I get her clothes off I am pleased to see she looks quite like her pictures. A little bit more weight on the stomach but only minimally. She reveals that she is 25 and not 22 as the website says. We do abit of foreplay caressing eachother. She starts to lick my nipples at the same time she is stroking my johnsson gently. After abit of that she goes down and very gently licks my balls and wanks me for a few minutes. When I start to get really hard she pulls out a condom and puts it on with her mouth. Her oral skills were quite good. Nothing sensational but definately not amateur. It was around this time that I noticed she didn't not respond well to direction. She squeleed like a stubborn little girl when I tried to get her to blow me without her hands in the equation. She didn't like me grabbing her head either trying to get a bit more tempo going. I let it go and let her do her thing. After awhile I grabbed her and indicated it was time for penetration. She climbed on top and we tried cowgirl for a while but it was quite uninspired and without rythm so I turned her on her back and took her missionary. When I was finally driving the sex became much much better and she seemed to be getting more excited aswell. She let go and let me take her hard and for quite some time with her legs on my shoulders, me pumping her strong until I finally exploded and fell into her arms. We cuddled for awhile and started talking. Me not speaking any Ukranian and she having basic english to say the least the conversation actually turned out quite funny. We joked around and cuddled and forgot about time until she got a call and we saw the time. We had 20 minutes left. I suggested we get a quick second pop in before she left and she was happy to oblige. After having talked and joked around she seemed more comfortable and loosened up abit and the second run turned into abit of love making.

So her taxi arrived and I let her out. My first night in Kiev had been quite ok and as I conclude this report I'm now going to go to bed and see what more the city has tomorrow after work. Look forward to seeing more of this lovely town.

Over and out.

Brotherrabitt
02-28-11, 09:41
IT, he is a pimp of the worst sort who is spamming this forum with his garbage and his lies.

Guys, as IT says, go on mamba or any of its variants and you will have a much better time for much less money with better looking women.

Who knows, maybe he is involved in the seamier parts of the sex business such as sex slavery so it is best to stay away from him and his dubious overpriced services where only he makes any money. UB, you have any evidence to back this up, that he is involved in slavery and apparently does not pay his girls as "only he makes any money"? Or is it another classic example of your verbal diarrhea finding an outlet through your keyboard?

Harry Hirsch
02-28-11, 15:11
Thanks Uke.

The ordinary asked price of a pro ins 400-600 grivna / hour or 2500-3000 grivna / night. Of course you can bargain. But you can't get a stunner teen in your bed for 50 bucks.

Sponsorettes are cheaper (and usually do better sex too).

IT.

Just a sample of a reddish I'll drill next time I'm there.

http://flirt.com.ua/maximum_2/

She goes for 300 USD / day + 500 grn for anal. She has even a pink maid dress WOW. ! DON'T DO IT!

Be care with your Money, This Girl give me the worsted SEX EVER!

Now she is 20 and she is not a skinny.

She looks like beautiful, yes. But this is all.

If you want she can show you Kiev, this she can do good. .

But Sex with her was nearly nothing.

You must speak about all with her, before you meet her.

She stay last March 5 Nights with me for 6000 Grivna + 1500grn shopping)

And I know she go with you for one Month Holiday for 10000grn.

Wish you a nice time in Kiev)

Guntherus
03-01-11, 13:54
Had to tell my opinion hier, because I dated "Surprize" bzw Alina one afternoon, can't remember was it September or last April. She was GFS-type, I payed 1000 hrn. And she was with me three hours, part of it was shopping for concert-tickets and more. She wanted nothing for herself! Kind of nice attitude. But I have not had the opportunity to repeat.

Passata
03-01-11, 15:18
I make the call and indeed the girl on the phone speaks decent english. I am relieved and ask her if she is available. She says she will be here in 20 minutes. After closer to 40 minutes she text's me that she is downstairs. I go down and greet her and Imediately realize this is not the girl I spoke to on the phone. The girl standing before me is definately the girl in the photo's so I was quite happy about that but her english is very very limited. I take her up and she ask's me in her broken english if there is a problem. I say no, I just expected you to speak english but we will make due darling don't worry. She looks at me with a blank expression as she didn't understand a word I said. I use my body language to invite her in and offer her something to drink. Her mood instantly changes and she comes in and sits on the couch. I take a seat next to her, put my arm around her and bring up google translate. We negotiate a while and come to the agreement that she would stay 3 hours for 1600 UAH. The website say's she charges 800 per hour so I guess I got an hour free bonus. I give her the cash upfront and we get down to business.I came to Kiev last week and I had similar experience, with the a few girls I found on mamba.

First you speak with a girl that is fluent in english, but the girls that arrive speaks little or no english.

I guess you were lucky that you got the girl form the photo often you don't.

As Forrest Gump would say:

Mamba is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get.

I have more luck finding girls in bars / nightclubs even had one freebie so far.

I will be in Kiev for a few more days, so if you like to hookup, contact me on gaus038@live.com

Passata
03-01-11, 17:17
Ukrainian feminist activists have held a topless protest in Kiev to express outrage at the forthcoming visit of the winner of a national radio competition in New Zealand to Win a Wife.

Activists from the feminist group, which uses stripping as a shock tactic, braved wintry temperatures in central Kiev, holding banners with slogans such as 'Ukraine is not a brothel'.

I not sure this tactic will work, it may attract even more men.

http://www.bt.dk/udland/fraek-noegenprotest-i-ukraine

Me and You
03-01-11, 18:29
! DON'T DO IT!

Wish you a nice time in Kiev)I am IN Kiev right now. Very cold weather. But very good time, fun time. As less competiton than summer for freebies or even girls and prices. I have a good time. Many model typed from Mamba (indepandants) and 2 free bies (but expensive shopping) and one expensive 300 $ model type from Rio. Ask always if fotos are real and the girls is indpendant, you can know that by asking and asking and telling that you will not pay taxi for the girl if she is not real and tell them don't loose your time and my time. Try not the pink contacts. They are more indpendants. Until noe I have great girls from Mamba.

I was with Surprise in May. She is pretty and nice girl but not hot girl in sex. She had a girlfriend Angela blonde that I lost her contact number. She was great GFE CIM ANAL and all fun.

A great Kiev and great Tme. I will post later with fotos.

Sorbonne
03-01-11, 21:38
Ukrainian feminist activists have held a topless protest in Kiev to express outrage at the forthcoming visit of the winner of a national radio competition in New Zealand to Win a Wife.

Activists from the feminist group, which uses stripping as a shock tactic, braved wintry temperatures in central Kiev, holding banners with slogans such as 'Ukraine is not a brothel'.

I not sure this tactic will work, it may attract even more men.

http://www.bt.dk/udland/fraek-noegenprotest-i-ukraineThanks for the report. I missed it. I was in Kiev from 18-2 to 23-2. It was minus 10 there. Do you know where in Kiev it took place?

Sorbonne
03-01-11, 21:51
Delwand,

http://www.top-modals.com/?id=1770#f2

Is this really girl you had? It actually says Diana, not Polina. Has the agency changed the photos?

Now it says 1200, not 800.

Any idea what happened?

Sorbonne
03-01-11, 22:32
I was in Kiev for 5 nights. Not much to add.

I tried Mamba for the first time. But for P4P only.

I assume to use it for Freebies, you have to stay there longer to develop relations, No?

But Mamba for P4P did not seem much different from regular escort sites, like top-modals.com. Or it was maybe even more difficult, as I had to spend a lot of time trying to communicate with them, eg. to find the girls who speak English, who reply, who call back, etc.

I had about 10 girls to call before arriving in Kiev. I only got 2 girls through Mamba. The first was OK for 100 USD. The second was not too good for 80 USD. The second one was not the girl in the photos but looked a little similar.

I also visited a bar / disco for the first time in the post RP era : Buddha Bar. Several girls, who look between 25 and 35, looked hardcore and expensive. I didn't try. I typically go for only girls under 25.

My favorite in Kiev is still massage parlors, where I always have good times.

Winter is not a good time to visit Kiev anyway. I'd love to go back there in summer again.

Guntherus
03-02-11, 00:51
I was in Kiev for 5 nights. Not much to add. .

Winter is not a good time to visit Kiev anyway. I'd love to go back there in summer again. It was similiar with me first time, it takes time to learn and handle the scene. And this is also rigth, winter is bad for mongering (but then the Kiev winter is a historic memorabilia). My third time in the city I had it lined up for two girls each day, sometimes adding the third from Rio (expensive but best girls for all-night passionate sex) Searching Mamba can almost be developed to become art, f. Ex. Spotting girls interested in foreigners. Non-english speaking members are hopeless. Freebies need at least two-three meetings before opening up for sex. Depending also on your looks, of course. Mamba differs IMHO vastly from escorts in that the escorts are professional but cold, the Mamba-girls are perhaps not dependable but thats part of the fun, convince them and have them open up their pretty long legs to a travelling monger for a little favour. And again. And you come again.

Gergiev
03-02-11, 03:13
Ukrainian feminist activists have held a topless protest in Kiev.

I not sure this tactic will work, it may attract even more men.

http://www.bt.dk/udland/fraek-noegenprotest-i-ukraineNot keen on Feminist logic but I absolutely love the FEMENist version.

Don't desert the barricades, Girls!

Sorbonne
03-02-11, 08:58
Roll Buzz,

"Mamba differs IMHO vastly from escorts in that the escorts are professional but cold, the Mamba-girls are perhaps not dependable but thats part of the fun, convince them and have them open up their pretty long legs to a travelling monger for a little favour."

Here, are you talking about Mamba P4P girls? One of the two I saw from Mamba told me she also advertises on top-modal. Com.

It seemed to me half of Mamba P4P girls are controlled by agents who speak English. The other of the two I saw falls under this category.

Sorbonne
03-02-11, 09:09
What do you think about this strategy for Mamba P4P girls?

I've been wondering why not all Mamba P4P girls respond to my requests.

Can it be because I'm rather just an average looking man?

Then why not post a fake photo of a handsome man as my photo, just as some girls post fake photos of sexy girls?

Would that make more girls to reply on Mamba?

Guntherus
03-02-11, 13:47
What do you think about this strategy for Mamba P4P girls?

I've been wondering why not all Mamba P4P girls respond to my requests.

Can it be because I'm rather just an average looking man?

Then why not post a fake photo of a handsome man as my photo, just as some girls post fake photos of sexy girls?

Would that make more girls to reply on Mamba? Some thoughts on this: Fake photo would probalby attract more replies, but then you eventually would have to meet them in person, or you want to send sombody younger for you? I think real photo is in the long run the best idea. Photo is essential. You must remember the mental leap these girls have to take, if you prefer under 25 yo, what is the age difference? You cannot bridge that with money by everyone. We have to charm them as well. And to do this you must be able to communicate.

Have people been seeing many fake photos of girls on Mamba / Flirt etc? This is not my experience. Lately though I have seen these profiles marked "Love", which probably is some escort agency, but they are pretty obvious. But then even a profile that looks like a model, which I had the pleasure to meet, and someone would think of as a fake, I can confirm that is real photo:

http://flirtru.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=408002655&hit=10&fromsearch

But I confirm nothing about how and where and why I am able to verify this. I say only our meeting started in a coffee bar and that was very pleasant.

It Travel
03-05-11, 09:19
! DON'T DO IT!

Be care with your Money, This Girl give me the worsted SEX EVER!

Now she is 20 and she is not a skinny.

She looks like beautiful, yes. But this is all.

If you want she can show you Kiev, this she can do good. .

But Sex with her was nearly nothing.

You must speak about all with her, before you meet her.

She stay last March 5 Nights with me for 6000 Grivna + 1500grn shopping)

And I know she go with you for one Month Holiday for 10000grn.

Wish you a nice time in Kiev) What was wrong with the sex? A log in the bed. Just tell me. Even PM (now empty).

Harry Hirsch
03-05-11, 10:31
Ok, my full story.

I go the first time to Kiev last March for 8 Nights,

I take a look to nice girl at Mamba and I found her)

We write before sometimes and she offer me hot sex.

I meet with her we go eat sushi and after this she comes with me,

Sex with her means:

Blowjob with condom, cunnilingus not possible, deep Kisses sometimes possible,

Anal not possible, she doesn't like her job.

She doesn't gives you a good illusion, she want your money, thats all.

We have a deal about 7 nights, she leave me in the 3. Night, she told me must go to dad.

And she leave me in the 5. Night again because dad)

I think Dad = pimp.

But I hungry about sex, so I take a look to mamba and meet with other girl.

We go to Sushi restaurant and.

Who is inside there?

Yes Alona is there.

She see me with other girl and I see here with an old 65 year old guy (american)

The next day she comes I give her money and this was the end of all.

I can be happy about this,

Because the other 2 girls after her, are much more better than Alona!

It Travel
03-05-11, 21:06
Ok, my full story.

I go the first time to Kiev last March for 8 Nights,

I take a look to nice girl at Mamba and I found her)

We write before sometimes and she offer me hot sex.

I meet with her we go eat sushi and after this she comes with me,

Sex with her means:

Blowjob with condom, cunnilingus not possible, deep Kisses sometimes possible,

Anal not possible, she doesn't like her job.

She doesn't gives you a good illusion, she want your money, thats all.

We have a deal about 7 nights, she leave me in the 3. Night, she told me must go to dad.

And she leave me in the 5. Night again because dad)

I think Dad = pimp.

But I hungry about sex, so I take a look to mamba and meet with other girl.

We go to Sushi restaurant and.

Who is inside there?

Yes Alona is there.

She see me with other girl and I see here with an old 65 year old guy (american)

The next day she comes I give her money and this was the end of all.

I can be happy about this,

Because the other 2 girls after her, are much more better than Alona! By the way the famous icon of Kiev Mystery Tramp was the same but renting her daily and making her drunk you could avoid the problem.

PERSONAL CONSIDERATION.

Shit! Russia (or former CCCP) is not what we."oldies" expect it to be. A nice freebie is a rare thing. Today, at my time, it was simply as much you can fuck in any hole you can do it. In a day for a Franklin note.

IT

Guntherus
03-06-11, 03:32
Ok, my full story.

She doesn't like her job.

She doesn't gives you a good illusion, she want your money, thats all. Perhaps we have an example of a girl gone professional, correction: mechanical in her moves, as time goes by. Other become more skilled and pleasant. Eather way, they need a firm hand and a stiff john to be taught the right attitude.

Sorbonne
03-06-11, 17:51
By the way the famous icon of Kiev Mystery Tramp was the same but renting her daily and making her drunk you could avoid the problem.

PERSONAL CONSIDERATION.

Shit! Russia (or former CCCP) is not what we."oldies" expect it to be. A nice freebie is a rare thing. Today, at my time, it was simply as much you can fuck in any hole you can do it. In a day for a Franklin note.

ITReading this thread, Mystery Tramp sounds familiar, but I can't remember who it was. Can you point to a post or two that explains?

Search only resulted in many threads and not to one or few posts.

Amunra
03-07-11, 21:13
Hi

Once am in Kiev I want to try to find some or at least one Pro, like those of RP. So can you suggest me some bars or else where I can go to have a drink and try find long legs blonde stunner for 300 USD for some hours?

I know that buddha bar is one, but I need to know more!

AR

Mystery77
03-08-11, 04:49
Delwand,

http://www.top-modals.com/?id=1770#f2

Is this really girl you had? It actually says Diana, not Polina. Has the agency changed the photos?

Now it says 1200, not 800.

Any idea what happened? You see women for hour offering 600uah & less. Is this right or a scam? Anyone made some appointments.

Some good looking girls so it surprizes myself.

Mystery77
03-08-11, 05:39
A thought just hit me. Later this year I'm planning a business / holiday for a month + to Phuket in Thailand.

I would be interested in arranging a nice young woman to travel with me.

However, personally I feel if I arrange & pay for the flight, accommodation, food, outtings etc. That would be enough! Without paying extra pocket cash for coming.

Yes I know you can meet women mostly for cash in Phuket. I been in the country 4 times my shortest stay was 2 months so I'm very seasoned there.

However, my desire is to take a woman that is interest. In good shape & spirit from Ukraine. No strings attached, leading to if I decide possible 3somes or whatever with the locals if it comes up. Or the girls can play & I watch.

Just some pleasures of the flesh in an exotic warm happening city. Fun, fuck, & entertainment.

Anyone know possible interested contacts or where to seek?

I've tried mamba for the trips travel section. Not really happening, little replys etc.

Anybody in Phuket mid July-Aug let me know I'm happy to meet up & play.

I got some local knowledge & could save you a buck or 2.

Prosal
03-09-11, 00:51
PERSONAL CONSIDERATION.

Shit! Russia (or former CCCP) is not what we."oldies" expect it to be. A nice freebie is a rare thing. Today, at my time, it was simply as much you can fuck in any hole you can do it. In a day for a Franklin note.

ITIT, without being controversial (I know you are not a fan of my posts, and nor I am a fan of yours) , but you're deadly wrong. There's still literally hundreds thousands of women of all ages sexually and emotionally starving in this part of the world. Much more than in any other country you can think about (especially Brasil where scoring freebies is a real challenge). Much much much more than a single man can handle with. The lack of "eligible" men in FSU is SO blatant (maybe 1 decent man out of 10 hot available women) that any foreigner with a bit of "game", of time, of refinement and above all of cultural awareness can have dozens of outrageously hot freebies at his feet begging to please him.

Param Ahmad
03-09-11, 08:02
...There's still literally hundreds thousands of women of all ages sexually and emotionally starving in this part of the world. Much more than in any other country you can think about (especially Brasil where scoring freebies is a real challenge). Much much much more than a single man can handle with. The lack of "eligible" men in FSU is SO blatant (maybe 1 decent man out of 10 hot available women) that any foreigner with a bit of "game", of time, of refinement and above all of cultural awareness can have dozens of outrageously hot freebies at his feet begging to please him.That's it! I'm going to Kiev! (Or maybe somewhere else in the former Soviet Union.)

It Travel
03-09-11, 08:39
IT, without being controversial (I know you are not a fan of my posts, and nor I am a fan of yours) , but you're deadly wrong. There's still literally hundreds thousands of women of all ages sexually and emotionally starving in this part of the world. Much more than in any other country you can think about (especially Brasil where scoring freebies is a real challenge). Much much much more than a single man can handle with. The lack of "eligible" men in FSU is SO blatant (maybe 1 decent man out of 10 hot available women) that any foreigner with a bit of "game", of time, of refinement and above all of cultural awareness can have dozens of outrageously hot freebies at his feet begging to please him.Prosal. I agree with you. By the way I could have been marrying some easily. Or only flirting as I did. My problem is that I just stay for short times and have a couple of evening free (often after a business meal where I try to avoid vodka) and, may be a part of a weekend leaving on Sunday afternoon.

So I chose to pay and not to throw my time! Just That.

It's not a secret that (told it more than once) If I had a lot of money I would move to Kiev or SPB (Moscow is really too chaotic) and take some "winter" vacations to Rio or Thailand.

A guy I know (but I do not know if he whant this to be said) , in my age class is living in Kiev with a 21 whyear old blonde flower and partying at his home nearly every day up to 4-5 willing girls (almost well under 25.)

That's all.

IT

Prosal
03-09-11, 13:06
A guy I know (but I do not know if he whant this to be said) , in my age class is living in Kiev with a 21 whyear old blonde flower and partying at his home nearly every day up to 4-5 willing girls (almost well under 25.)

That's all.

ITI'm not surprised. A foreigner living permanently (or semi permanently) in a FSU metropole, if he has a bit of "game", of cash and if he lives confortably, can score literally ad-nauseum.

I'd also love to live somewhere in FSU. Tashkent would be my first choice.

It Travel
03-09-11, 17:18
Reading this thread, Mystery Tramp sounds familiar, but I can't remember who it was. Can you point to a post or two that explains?

Search only resulted in many threads and not to one or few posts. Ah. Ah. Mistery Tramp.

You can ask may here.

At least 30 seniors drilled her the outstanding BBBJ + CIM in Kiev.

Some pics taken in the previous years to present her as far as I know no longer in activity.

Lappgubbe
03-10-11, 21:01
I have read tips and reports from last summer that Shooters was quite hot. Is it still, or have the buisness moved? I will go to Kiev in the middle of May.

It Travel
03-11-11, 08:30
I'm not surprised. A foreigner living permanently (or semi permanently) in a FSU metropole, if he has a bit of "game", of cash and if he lives confortably, can score literally ad-nauseum.

I'd also love to live somewhere in FSU. Tashkent would be my first choice. Unfortunately I do not have enough cash for that.

Three wonders of Kiev? (apart the wonderful teens).

- the fabolous central market with the fish stands and wonderful types of caviar, sturgeon and salmon. And the Turkish vegetables.

- wonderful small eateries in Podol, from Georgian to Armenian, from jewish to Russian.

- if you are clever enough and have enough cash you can even live better than in Paris or Berlin where you do not have crowds of avaliable teens.

If you orient yourself to 23-27 whyear old females (could still be by far my daughters. Ihihih) usually they are totally for free or for some gift or shopping. Duos, lesbos are quite normal.

One of the best pros ever found (in reality a Russian. English interpreter) L o l I t a. Who knows understands. Has been hired since 2009 as an interpreter from a businessman.

You know a horny fabolous, always wet. Skinny reddish almost lesbian wanting to go with you for her favourite sport: teen hunting. Can't even imagine. (PS the BBBJ + CIM + FACIAL + HJ of Miss L. Is still, for me, the best ever got.)

IT

AColonizer
03-12-11, 11:24
Just a report.

I have visited Arena and D`Lux:

- the ticket entrance is 200 grivnas (!) ;

- there are not so many people in Arena anymore (maybe on Saturday) ;

- I didn`t see any active hunting by "working girls" inside;

- I see (cool) men take (average) girls but after a long dance session on the disco floor.

Maybe to go to discos is not a good deal because 4 entrances * 200 grivnas = 800 grivnas = 100 dollars to get no satysfing results: what do you think about that?

Big Johnson2
03-12-11, 19:32
Unfortunately I do not have enough cash for that.

Three wonders of Kiev? (apart the wonderful teens).

- the fabolous central market with the fish stands and wonderful types of caviar, sturgeon and salmon. And the Turkish vegetables.

- wonderful small eateries in Podol, from Georgian to Armenian, from jewish to Russian.

- if you are clever enough and have enough cash you can even live better than in Paris or Berlin where you do not have crowds of avaliable teens.

If you orient yourself to 23-27 whyear old females (could still be by far my daughters. Ihihih) usually they are totally for free or for some gift or shopping. Duos, lesbos are quite normal.

One of the best pros ever found (in reality a Russian. English interpreter) L o l I t a. Who knows understands. Has been hired since 2009 as an interpreter from a businessman.

You know a horny fabolous, always wet. Skinny reddish almost lesbian wanting to go with you for her favourite sport: teen hunting. Can't even imagine. (PS the BBBJ + CIM + FACIAL + HJ of Miss L. Is still, for me, the best ever got.)

ITI can tell you really love Kiev. I haven't been to Kiev since 2007 and would love to be brought up to date.

First I'd like to tell you my experiences. When I was there it was $1 = 4. 5 hryvnia and now its $1 = 7. 8 hryvnia. I do not speak Russian. My first visit to Kiev for 9 days was in 2004 and the beauties were chasing you to be your girlfriend. I was in Kiev next in Nov 2005 for 9 days and felt the trip was a bust (no good). I felt that the beauties in Kiev were no longer interested in dating, sex, and no interest in being your girlfriend. So in 2006-07 I spent some extended time in Kiev and the Ukraine. I was about 40 then and spent most of my time dating 18 – 27 year olds. I did a few P4P. At that time I felt that things had gotten better for the average girl in Kiev so I thought the beauties were not that interested in sex or to be girl friends with Western guys. Province girls were easier then and I was able to get very pretty GF there. While in the provinces, I was always working other girls on the side while I had a GF.

Please bring me up to date now and tell me what things are like now:

Have things gotten worse for the girls in Kiev now since the exchange rate is much better for foreigners ($1 = 7. 8 hryvnia)? Are thing cheaper now or is there just a lot of inflation?

Are good looking girls eager to be girl friends?

Is that Flirt site just for Simi-pros & pros?

How much are you paying for the Long Term services you describe? I believe you are talking about her spending the whole weekend with you right? How much for a week?

Since about 2006 there has been explosion of FSU dating sites and Kiev is the most popular place. Has this made the girls spoiled and not eager to get with you? Any chance for GF now? I'm referring to the quality of the girls you have posted on ISG. I'm referring to 7-9.

Is it harder to get P4P now than it was several years back?

Overall is it better now than it was 5 years ago or worse for a foreign man?

I do not speak Russian so I'm limited to what I call the 'anglophiles' and usually these girls are not in the most need of man and his money. How hard of a time will I have?

How long are you staying on a visit and how often do you go? I'm asking this because I know this affects you experience. Thank you for all the help. I am thinking about going back.

Mystery77
03-13-11, 01:52
As above, you want to double up, wing, social, do get in touch.

Cheers people I have spoken with!

Networking for mutual entertainment.

Black Shirt
03-14-11, 03:43
Have a chance to go to Kiev and willing to p4p. I know that everyone is looking for young hot girls. Myself, I don't mind somebody up to 40 with a nice figure. Housewifes type, if you know what I mean. Will appreciate some information in that regard as to their availabilty, as I don't have time for the non-pros. Living in BKK right now, so if you need information, pm me. Thanks.

AColonizer
03-14-11, 12:09
i have just come back from kiev and the scene is just what you said. i think kiev is becoming like moscow.

i explain:

- if you are a hardcore russian-speaking monger, you have a lot of opportunities to get what you want: deep throat swallow blowjobs, all sex without condom, pornstar-like experiences, pissing-drink, deep anal fisting, etc. for a local reasonable rate.

- if you are not a hardcore russian-speaking monger, you have to work very hardly to get the standard service for foreigners at a western expensive rate by a nice girl.

you said in 2004 women chased westerners, i say now that (golden) time is over definitely either for hardcore prostitutes or pseudo-girlfriends. i always mean about regular (and nice too) men.

i an admirer of some recent mongers, here, because they get what they want for a honest price, even if their tastes are much more tolerant than mine.

if you need to have normal sex by an average woman, you can try any destinations but i should advice you the final cost (flight+accomodation+sex) won't be cheap.

maybe this is a reason a lot of western mongers in ukraine are thinking to go to thailand where it seems men could get everything cheap and also a real girlfriend to bring home.

about me, i am annoyed to work very hardly to find either a beautiful hardcore freebies or a cheap hardcore prostitute. i usually prefer to rent cheap hardcore prostitutes because i don't waste time. it is everything easy for some mongers, here, and honour to them. but i am annoyed always to negotiate also when a girl is sucking my penis because girls know the trick "no agreements are lasting" and "always negotiate in each minute". in other words, the old-style generation (which you said) of prostitutes is over definitely.

i describe one of my recent experiences because it is a clear example.

on monday, after kicking out the first 5 stupid prostitutes, a new one came in and i explained her what has happenened: if she calls her "mamashka" (because all stupid girls call their "mamashka" or "padruga") , mamashka suggests crazy prices for a rubber-doll service, then she never works with me. she was young, not a perfect body but good enough, and she understood. we agreed a one-hour test meeting for all no-condom sex at a honest price. i am sure this is the standard service for locals. i dressed her as a "studentka" and i started to say her "you are a bad student" in russian, we kissed with tongue at a a fast speed for all meeting, she licked my penis, balls and asshole like a shower-washing, i fuck her mouth, pussy and ass in kamasutra "anvil" position, the first shot was a beauful peter-north style facial, she was continuing to suck my sperm-dripping penis, then i fucked her pussy and ass, second shot was in her pussy (i am a romantic man). everything in one hour (no-condom is a better feeling). i asked her personal phone number in order to call her directly with no receptionist and mamashka in the middle. she didn't want.

on friday, i called the same "agency", the receptionist replied "she is not here" and i asked her the reason, the receiptionist replied "because she doesn't work anymore". me stupid: i forgot to convince the prostitute "you never say to the mamashka what you did with a westerner and you always say you provided a rubber-dool service only".

therefore, i am annoyed to work very hardly to get something should be normal instead i have to face a whole system of coalitioned brothels.

it is sure mamashka and pimps read this forum to get precious information about our behaviour. unfortunately we can't get precious information about mamashka and pimps.


i can tell you really love kiev. i haven't been to kiev since 2007 and would love to be brought up to date.

first i'd like to tell you my experiences. when i was there it was $1 = 4. 5 hryvnia and now its $1 = 7. 8 hryvnia. i do not speak russian. my first visit to kiev for 9 days was in 2004 and the beauties were chasing you to be your girlfriend. i was in kiev next in nov 2005 for 9 days and felt the trip was a bust (no good). i felt that the beauties in kiev were no longer interested in dating, sex, and no interest in being your girlfriend. so in 2006-07 i spent some extended time in kiev and the ukraine. i was about 40 then and spent most of my time dating 18 – 27 year olds. i did a few p4p. at that time i felt that things had gotten better for the average girl in kiev so i thought the beauties were not that interested in sex or to be girl friends with western guys. province girls were easier then and i was able to get very pretty gf there. while in the provinces, i was always working other girls on the side while i had a gf.

please bring me up to date now and tell me what things are like now:

have things gotten worse for the girls in kiev now since the exchange rate is much better for foreigners ($1 = 7. 8 hryvnia)? are thing cheaper now or is there just a lot of inflation?

are good looking girls eager to be girl friends?

is that flirt site just for simi-pros & pros?

how much are you paying for the long term services you describe? i believe you are talking about her spending the whole weekend with you right? how much for a week?

since about 2006 there has been explosion of fsu dating sites and kiev is the most popular place. has this made the girls spoiled and not eager to get with you? any chance for gf now? i'm referring to the quality of the girls you have posted on isg. i'm referring to 7-9.

is it harder to get p4p now than it was several years back?

overall is it better now than it was 5 years ago or worse for a foreign man?

i do not speak russian so i'm limited to what i call the 'anglophiles' and usually these girls are not in the most need of man and his money. how hard of a time will i have?

how long are you staying on a visit and how often do you go? i'm asking this because i know this affects you experience. thank you for all the help. i am thinking about going back.

Shanjahan
03-15-11, 00:22
What is this mamba? Can you guys please give the adress to it.

Is it available in english?

Is top-models. Com a reliable website with real photos, has anyone experince with it?

Can one with latest trip tell more about average prices for one hour?

Also I looked in wikitravel for Kiev and found out that a beer bottle costs 3 dollars at a bar if I am not wrong, isn't this to expensive or expensive for the inhabitants of Kiev?

Not expensive for a west european but still if there are cheaper you want that of course.

Also, can you guys please share your trip experince other than monger like resturang prices things to do strip clubs established brothels activites like paint ball go cart other fun stuff. Is gliding availabe

How to find cheap hotels and etc.

I found really cheap flight with baltic air for 130 euro around trip which is really cheap since its ukraine borders central asia almost.

I know I can search for my self but I am only asking for advice if any of you guys has done these things before or have experince of similar things.

I will also search for myself but advice would be appraciated.

Thanks in advance

Irish Lad
03-15-11, 02:24
A thought just hit me. Later this year I'm planning a business / holiday for a month + to Phuket in Thailand.

I would be interested in arranging a nice young woman to travel with me.

However, personally I feel if I arrange & pay for the flight, accommodation, food, outtings etc. That would be enough! Without paying extra pocket cash for coming.

Yes I know you can meet women mostly for cash in Phuket. I been in the country 4 times my shortest stay was 2 months so I'm very seasoned there.

However, my desire is to take a woman that is interest. In good shape & spirit from Ukraine. No strings attached, leading to if I decide possible 3somes or whatever with the locals if it comes up. Or the girls can play & I watch.

Just some pleasures of the flesh in an exotic warm happening city. Fun, fuck, & entertainment.

Anyone know possible interested contacts or where to seek?

I've tried mamba for the trips travel section. Not really happening, little replys etc.

Anybody in Phuket mid July-Aug let me know I'm happy to meet up & play.

I got some local knowledge & could save you a buck or 2.Hi.

Forget about using the "travel section" on Mamba and set up a profile saying exactly what you want. Then, use either / both the photo line along the top or "leader" section on the left saying you want girl for holiday in Thailand. You'll have 100s to choose from if you do it a few times. 2 or 3 will ask how much you pay and ignore them, no point even explaining the benefit of a months holiday at your expense to them.

Things to think about though.

Aerosvit costs just over $1, 000 Kiev-Bangkok.

Ukrainians apply for visa on entry but it's usually for only 15 days. Russians don't need visas like that so maybe look from Russia unless you will be on the flight too from Kiev.

If for some strange reason you don't find then PM me and I'll send you links to 10-20 hot girls who want Thailand holiday. Forgot to mention, we took 2 to Phukett in January and have 3 here in Thailand now with 3 arriving next week. Bring 2 then if you're in to 3 somes but why only watch?)

Mystery77
03-15-11, 02:53
What is this mamba? Can you guys please give the adress to it.

Is it available in english?

Is top-models. Com a reliable website with real photos, has anyone experince with it?

Can one with latest trip tell more about average prices for one hour?

Also I looked in wikitravel for Kiev and found out that a beer bottle costs 3 dollars at a bar if I am not wrong, isn't this to expensive or expensive for the inhabitants of Kiev?

Not expensive for a west european but still if there are cheaper you want that of course.

Also, can you guys please share your trip experince other than monger like resturang prices things to do strip clubs established brothels activites like paint ball go cart other fun stuff. Is gliding availabe

How to find cheap hotels and etc.

I found really cheap flight with baltic air for 130 euro around trip which is really cheap since its ukraine borders central asia almost.

I know I can search for my self but I am only asking for advice if any of you guys has done these things before or have experince of similar things.

I will also search for myself but advice would be appraciated.

Thanks in advanceMamba is like a social site. Where you can meet people to chat, plan travel trips, try dating relationships, or offer sex for cash. Check profile before you ask every girl.

I myself am heading to Kiev in a week for a 2 month stay. So will be able to up date alot of what I find.

& yes I'm also interested in extra activities such as karting, strip clubs, & ak-47's. So I think it would be a good idea to share more ideas fella on activities. Whats recommend & whats not!

All activities can be shared with ladies, & or that special right one for you if you're looking for that relationship.

Mystery77
03-15-11, 03:32
On flirt. Ua or mamba.

Or whatever site is linked associated with the same I'd:

Responses to my messages. From different women, & a regular "same" message I recieve, from at least 8 different profiles so far.

Profiles are of sexy girls, not over the top photo editing. Profiles have a different number of pictures of the particular girl representing that profile.

Like normal hot girls working for cash, background is very normal like leaning on doors or nightclubs.

Though with all the different profiles! The same number is presented. . . Is it a "SCAM"? Fake representation, brothel, or what?

Any body got any experience with this contact number?

The reply email is literally always the same, below:

Only thing is different is like a coding right at the bottom: "uitgdcolvh." This is different on each different reply I've had.

It is actually under smiley faces though none of those come up in the copy & paste here.

Yesterday at 20:16&1054; &1083; &1103; &1055; &1088; &1080; &1074; &1077; &1090; !

&1048; &1053; &1044; &1048; &1042; &1048; &1044; &1059; &1040; &1051; &1050; &1040; &1060; &1054; &1058; &1054; &1053; &1040; &1042; &1057; &1045; 1&1054; &1054; % &1056; &1045; &1040; &1051;

&1082; &1083; &1072; &1089; &1089; &1080; &1082; &1072; &1084; &1072; &1089; &1089; &1072; &1078; &1076; &1086; &1084; &1080; &1085; &1080; &1088; &1086; &1074; &1072; &1085; &1080; &1077; &1080; &1084; &1085; &1086; &1075; &1086; &1077; &1076; &1088; &1091; &1075; &1086; &1077;

6&1054; &1054; &1075; &1088; &1085; &1102; &1095; &1072; &1089; &1080; &1082;

25&1054; &1054; &1085; &1086; &1095; &1100; &1082; &1072;

&1059; &1070; &1058; &1053; &1040; &1071; &1050; &1042; &1040; &1056; &1058; &1048; &1056; &1050; &1040; &1074; &1094; &1077; &1085; &1090; &1088; &1077; &1050; &1048; &1045; &1042; &1040; &1055; &1045; &1063; &1045; &1056; &1057; &1050;

&1042; &1054; &1047; &1052; &1054; &1046; &1045; &1053; &1042; &1067; &1045; &1047; &1044; &1055; &1054; &1050; &1048; &1045; &1042; &1059; + &1058; &1040; &1050; &1057; &1048;

&1052; &1054; &1049; __&1054; 96.

&1053; &1054; &1052; &1045; &1056; ____55&1054;

&1058; &1045; &1051; &1045; &1060; &1054; &1053; &1040; ___42___&1054; 6.

Uitgdcolvh

Mystery77
03-15-11, 03:37
On flirt. Ua or mamba.

Or whatever site is linked associated with the same I'd:

Responses to my messages. From different women, & a regular "same" message I recieve, from at least 8 different profiles so far.

Profiles are of sexy girls, not over the top photo editing. Profiles have a different number of pictures of the particular girl representing that profile.

Like normal hot girls working for cash, background is very normal like leaning on doors or nightclubs.

Though with all the different profiles! The same number is presented. . . Is it a "SCAM"? Fake representation, brothel, or what?

Any body got any experience with this contact number?

The reply email is literally always the same, below:

Only thing is different is like a coding right at the bottom: "uitgdcolvh." This is different on each different reply I've had.

It is actually under smiley faces though none of those come up in the copy & paste here.

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Mystery77
03-15-11, 03:40
Yesterday at 20:16.

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Mystery77
03-15-11, 03:59
1 more time "Scam" Photos to show for advice.

Sorbonne
03-15-11, 15:47
Ah. Ah. Mistery Tramp.

You can ask may here.

At least 30 seniors drilled her the outstanding BBBJ + CIM in Kiev.

Some pics taken in the previous years to present her as far as I know no longer in activity. Thanks, IT.

Yeah, actually I thought she was the mystery tramp.

30 of you drilled her? What period of years was she active? I certainly missed it. But how many of you acturally tied her up?

RustyDildo
03-15-11, 19:16
Anyone cared to study the language before arriving.

There is Pimsleur Russian and Pimsleur Ukrainian to chosse from.

Which one should I choose to be able to communicate with the babes better?

I guess they are similar but who knows. It would appear that ukrainian is better for Ukraine go figure, but Russian can be useful in more places if I want to travel to Russia in later trips.

This will be my first time in FSU

Shanjahan
03-15-11, 20:47
Mamba is like a social site. Where you can meet people to chat, plan travel trips, try dating relationships, or offer sex for cash. Check profile before you ask every girl.

I myself am heading to Kiev in a week for a 2 month stay. So will be able to up date alot of what I find.

& yes I'm also interested in extra activities such as karting, strip clubs, & ak-47's. So I think it would be a good idea to share more ideas fella on activities. Whats recommend & whats not!

All activities can be shared with ladies, & or that special right one for you if you're looking for that relationship. Thanks for the info bro.

I still do have a problem.

Do you search you are looking for sex?

How do you know which one of the girls offer sex for money?

I checked and it says " wants one night stand" Do I put up my picture?

I want a GFE. Can guys with experince on mamba answer please?

Thanks

Reiner Otto
03-15-11, 23:31
Which one should I choose to be able to communicate with the babes better?Learn Russian.

Ukrainian language only used in the North-West of UA. And even there everybody speaks Russian. Although the Police refuses to do so.

HunterDave
03-16-11, 01:36
Originally Posted by Prosal

IT, without being controversial (I know you are not a fan of my posts, and nor I am a fan of yours) , but you're deadly wrong. There's still literally hundreds thousands of women of all ages sexually and emotionally starving in this part of the world. Much more than in any other country you can think about (especially Brasil where scoring freebies is a real challenge). Much much much more than a single man can handle with. The lack of "eligible" men in FSU is SO blatant (maybe 1 decent man out of 10 hot available women) that any foreigner with a bit of "game", of time, of refinement and above all of cultural awareness can have dozens of outrageously hot freebies at his feet begging to please him.


Prosal. I agree with you. By the way I could have been marrying some easily. Or only flirting as I did. My problem is that I just stay for short times and have a couple of evening free (often after a business meal where I try to avoid vodka) and, may be a part of a weekend leaving on Sunday afternoon.

So I chose to pay and not to throw my time! Just That.

It's not a secret that (told it more than once) If I had a lot of money I would move to Kiev or SPB (Moscow is really too chaotic) and take some "winter" vacations to Rio or Thailand.

A guy I know (but I do not know if he whant this to be said) , in my age class is living in Kiev with a 21 whyear old blonde flower and partying at his home nearly every day up to 4-5 willing girls (almost well under 25.)

That's all.

ITIt and Prosal,

Your posts have me craving for another hunting and bedding expedition to Kiev. In fact, a few weeks ago at the Academy Awards the host had me going when he mentioned some of the best movies from last year: Winter's Bone; Rabbit Hole and Taming the Dragon. All sending me psychic messages to return to Kiev! I get many notes on Mamba from many hotties wanting to know when I will be back. My damn work is kicking my ass! I had hoped to sneak over later this month, but may have to delay for business here. Damn that work!

Here it is with spring around the corner and the babes telling me they look forward to shedding those coats and enjoying the outdoors. Hell, I want to see those hot little dresses and skirts and to 'assist' or help them keep shedding even more of their clothes. It is springtime and time for the 'sap' to run! I want that 'sap' to run over those those hotties! But for the weather to be cool at night where things are a bit 'nipplely' with regard to the ladies so I can give them a little hug to warm them up. Hope to be back in the Ukrainian saddle real soon.

Live long and monger!

Hunter Dave

ZacapaGold
03-16-11, 12:45
Hi to all.

Can anyone recommend guest friendly hotel on good location in Kiev or some good apartment for rent?

What is better for 20 days?

Shanjahan
03-16-11, 18:22
Hi to all.

Can anyone recommend guest friendly hotel on good location in Kiev or some good apartment for rent?

What is better for 20 days? Hi.

You can find cheaper hotels at expedia. Expensive also, depending on how much you are willing to pay for a room.

There are several apartments you can rent, the cheapest one begin from 40 dollars per night.

Look at these sites.

http://www.rentapartments.com.ua/ephoto_kiev.html

http://www.apartments.kiev.ua/type/studio.htm

There are others as well but its more expensive.

You can search for rent apartments Kiev at google, there are several.

Shanjahan
03-16-11, 18:24
Hi to all.

Can anyone recommend guest friendly hotel on good location in Kiev or some good apartment for rent?

What is better for 20 days? I forgatt to give expedia. Com.

There are also hotels. Com but its limited selection.

There is also agoda. Com but some cities limited also.

Agoda is cheapest of all

Shanjahan
03-17-11, 01:20
RP = River Palace it was a well known working girl house in Kiev before it was closed by authorities, girls were sometimes a little more expensive than the average price out there but if you were a newbie and horny as hell with no time between hands it was one of the fastest options to enjoy UA pussies.

DATY = Dinning at the Y or in other words it means the man eating the pussy and genitalia or the girl. The man performing oral sex to the girl.

Also you forget to put this escort agency:

http://gia-escort.com/

The prices are a little expensive and the girls are usually hardcore prostitutes but if you are a newbie, you are quite desperate / horny enough to have a UA girl and price is not an issue then it might work for your first trip. Once you are more experience you can go and try other options out there, the average price listed there for an hour is 180 USD in my case a similar Ukrainian lady back home (Mexico) would cost me between 250. 300 USD per hour (in some high end clubs the cost would raise to no less than 500 USD) so not much of an issue for me but I agree there are so much better and cheaper choices out there in Kiev.

Suerte!

Yes apartments are better than hotels with the plus that some girls (specially freebies) will feel more at easy and comfortable enough to spread their legs in the privacy of an apartment. Damn I have never been to mexicoa but paying 250-300 dollars for one hour seems very expensive unless she has a lux escort which I doubt.

For what I know mexico isn't rich so you could get chepar dude. U are being ripped off by the mexicoans

Shanjahan
03-17-11, 02:01
Sorry I post again but I was wondering if its safe to buy credits from mamba. Ru.

Won't they ripp you off?

Is it secure?

Has anyone tried it I mean when I search for girls who offer sex its not only offer sex for money but also others. With advanced search you can search for only those who sell sex. To do that you need to buy credits is it safe?

BTW for those who are charming there is another option I saw on mamba were you could search for people who will give you money for sex, maybe something for some of our members hehe. Not me though I don't look like a model or skinny not fat either but not that type or else I would heheheheeh:the

Global Surfer
03-17-11, 02:27
Planning a vist arround Easter holidays. Is it going to be business as usual or supply shortages are expected. Are bars and clubs open as usual?

Thanks for your help

Shanjahan
03-17-11, 02:39
Planning a vist arround Easter holidays. Is it going to be business as usual or supply shortages are expected. Are bars and clubs open as usual?

Thanks for your helpRead the past posts there are plenty of information.

Also I can give you info of what I have read.

www.top-models.com

Mamba. Ru

And other sites are available if you don't know.

There are also clubs were you can hook up with escorts.

If I remember right there is caribbean club

Buddha bar.

Rio.

Dlux.

Avalan or something like that.

Look at the former posts there you will find everything.

Timmy011
03-17-11, 16:31
I purchase coins on flirt, and it is running ok for now.

I think it is a good thing, because you create much more serious image about yourself, and it is still cheap.

I have before normal profile, but now get much more and better responses.

It's also have very useful search advances, which save your time.

I also advice to be direct in your conversations with girls, and with respect. Do not get in argue or try to persuade girls in something what they do not want from start and you will save a lot of your time.

If girls answer you on your first message. 99% is chance that she wants to meet you in real also, if you do not blow up with some strange questions. Girls who do not like you, will not answer at all.

Some member here write about idea to put fake photo of herself, which is the dumbest thing what you can do, in my opinion. Several girls say that this was happened to them, and they just turn away and go home when they see that guy is not the same like in photo.

Also try to learn some at least basic Russian, it will huge increase your chances. Start with google translator, and slowly through conversation you will be able to say few words and make things much easier.

Happy mongering

Reiner Otto
03-17-11, 19:13
Planning a vist arround Easter holidays. Is it going to be business as usual or supply shortages are expected. Are bars and clubs open as usual?

Thanks for your helpEaster in UA is according to the old calendar, so on another date. And, even on Orthodox Easter, no problem. Only exception: the "babushkas" (grandmas) probably will not be so open for adventures because visiting church.

Ziggym
03-17-11, 22:23
well after spending 6 weeks (total since oct) in this wretched town (i joke i joke) i finally got laid last night. it was a freebie and not the best looking of the lot but she was willing to do just about anything once i got one of her nipples in my mouth. in fact, she brought over champagne and chocolates for my roommates and then kept me up all night trying to grab at my dick. she even let me do owccim or whatever you call it. we tried a condom once and then it was out the door. i had my free clinic test me before i left, so i know i'm good. at least i was until last night haha.

anyhow, i'm ashamed at her ugliness but i got the desperation smell off me. i have not had any time this trip to explore much, work is a bother to me and takes up my evenings. i did go to a club called patipa? and it was decent, free cover if you put your name on the 'list' via the website beforehand. i had a friend do it for me, so i don't know the link, i'll dig it up.

this girl i met at split club as i was leaving. i had been tricked into drinking so much blindness inducing homemade ukrainian moonshine that night that when i went to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) i had zero sensation in my genitals. so basically i must have pulled out my testicle instead of my penis and began to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) before realizing i hadn't taken it out. this resulted in a rather embarassing amount of [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) on my pants, but a hilarious story i'm not ashamed to tell. and that is sort of how i met her, i was outside laughing and drunk and wanting to leave and she came by and gave me her phone number. i had [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on me and was drunk and no game, but she dropped it right in the taxi. i guess she felt bad for me.

these women here are nice though, she's very classy and travels alot as she has some kind of good job. i'm proud to finally have gotten my wick wet.

by the way, here is an artist rendering to explain the bathroom incident (not by me but someone who probably was standing next to me) :


about me, i am annoyed to work very hardly to find either a beautiful hardcore freebies or a cheap hardcore prostitute. i usually prefer to rent cheap hardcore prostitutes because i don't waste time. it is everything easy for some mongers, here, and honour to them. but i am annoyed always to negotiate also when a girl is sucking my penis because girls know the trick "no agreements are lasting" and "always negotiate in each minute". in other words, the old-style generation (which you said) of prostitutes is over definitely.hahah, i laughed very hard at this entire review. good stuff. so true.

Super6stud9
03-18-11, 04:41
Unintended consequences. Hehehe.


Not keen on Feminist logic but I absolutely love the FEMENist version.

Don't desert the barricades, Girls!

Insomniaque
03-18-11, 10:30
Hello, there,

Not been on this thread for a while but I am now back in the fields and seriously have to think about my next trip to Kiev which is coming soon.

Currently RTFF so as to pick up any precious info I could have missed. The point is I need to decide where I will stay this time, I am fed up with my hotel. Having to bribe the security each time you bring a girl in, plus it's far away from action & business, etc.

This time I want a good location, e. G. Maidan sq or nearby (by "nearby" I mean "within walking distance").

Had a look on Tripadvisor, all the hotels you can find on Maidan in the €70-80 price range (what I can afford, or more exactly, what my boss can afford) have interesting features such as bed bugs or overseers to whom you have to leave your room key and who control your comings and goings. Excellent. Not that I really mind being seen with a hooker, but by the smell of it bribes will be on the menu as well.

SO, I definitely have to try the apartment option this time. I know a lot has been already posted and I have already started browsing apartment websites, but there are so many options and I am running out of time a bit, so if anyone knows a decent apartment in a reliable agency, on / near Maidan and max. €70-80 per night, and would be so kind as to PM me the agency's contact details and refs of the apartment in question, etc, it would be most, most appreciated.

Many thanks for your help!

Prosal
03-18-11, 14:51
I purchase coins on flirt, and it is running ok for now.

I think it is a good thing, because you create much more serious image about yourself, and it is still cheap. +1. VIP for two months only costs 15 virtual coins (about us$15) , and allows you to stand out in the crowd. Furthermore, VIP settings are interesting, especially the "invisible" fonction, when you want to chat with a girl and not with another. Also sending compliments (1 to 4 virtual coins each) could seem corny, stupid or useless, but it's IMO sometimes a good ice-breaker if the girl isn't flooded by compliments already, or a nice attention (therefore a position-booster) towards a girl you mesh well with.

Eros74
03-18-11, 22:49
I do not know if you saw, I noticed just a week ago, the system in mamba, suggest you to send a gift for girls who have more than 50 messages yet not read but the amazing thing is that even the average girls that were on line for the last time not more than 24 hours ago, have more than 50 messages not read.

Do they really get such many messages, I mean the normal girls, or the system is trying randomly to convince you to pay for sending a gift?

Cause if they receive so many msgs, I easily believe why they answer much less than 6 years ago, the first time I joined mail. Ru znakomstva or mamba, it is the same.

Prosal
03-18-11, 23:03
I do not know if you saw, I noticed just a week ago, the system in mamba, suggest you to send a gift for girls who have more than 50 messages yet not read but the amazing thing is that even the average girls that were on line for the last time not more than 24 hours ago, have more than 50 messages not read.

Do they really get such many messages, I mean the normal girls, or the system is trying randomly to convince you to pay for sending a gift?

Cause if they receive so many msgs, I easily believe why they answer much less than 6 years ago, the first time I joined mail. Ru znakomstva or mamba, it is the same.Keep in mind that mamba is a free site, therefore spammed by hundreds thousands of guys. A hot girl can get dozens of messages, winks, valentines, gifts, ect, this every day. I'm not exaggerating. One of my GF showed me her account one day, she had more than 500 unread messages. So the hottest girls can afford to be very selective.

Ziggym
03-18-11, 23:26
Ugh, bed bugs? Why did someone have to mention that. I am so paranoid about this, especially with traveling. In the US it is a huge problem, so I imagine everywhere else even more. I am so happy to not be in hotels, but soon plan to hit some hostels in Eastern Europe and hope the situation has not worsened.

I see some jerk with a sleeping bag in the hostel and berate him for his stupidity. I don't care if it is brand new, that is how they spread!

Jocky01
03-19-11, 02:07
Just wondering how you fellas get round the issue of having your wallet and stuff laying around in apartments. None of the ones I have rented ever have a safe?

Eros74
03-19-11, 12:01
Keep in mind that mamba is a free site, therefore spammed by hundreds thousands of guys. A hot girl can get dozens of messages, winks, valentines, gifts, ect, this every day. I'm not exaggerating. One of my GF showed me her account one day, she had more than 500 unread messages. So the hottest girls can afford to be very selective.I agree and it was much better when mamba was only in Russian, much less foreigners, almost zero and surely answers from almost every girls!

The strange thing is that even if they are still resident there, but now they choose us being so much selective, instead 10 years ago, we went there to choose them.

CallSign Papa
03-19-11, 15:26
Just wondering how you fellas get round the issue of having your wallet and stuff laying around in apartments. None of the ones I have rented ever have a safe?Jocky, it's definitely an issue if you don't have a safe, so always best to check with the booking company first. Consider that you'll have a cleaning lady at least once during your stay (who won't necessarily be there when you will) , plus the girls you invite over (who aren't necessarily suspect, but as Beria always used to say "Trust, but check!").

Timmy011
03-19-11, 18:21
Personally, I never bother to start chat with girls who have loads of unanswered messages, because I assume that have "star" attitude because all the attention they get (I know that I will have, if I am on their place)

And my target is more "next door type " girls (with large natural rack) , and in my experience, most girls with that load of unanswered messages are model-look girls with VIP status.

The "invisible" option is very handy and also search function to see new profiles in last 24h, week or month. IMHO that girls are (probably) new on market, and still do not bombarded with empty promises and maniacs and they are much more open to conversation.

Question- since I also plan "romantic" trip to Phuket with one of lucky dyevushkas and they can get only 15 days visa on arrival and I want to stay 1 month- where they can apply for visa, 'couse there is no Thai embassy in Kiev. Moscow maybe? Is there in Kiev some agency who provide that service, that girl do not must go in Moscow only for visa?

Thanks

It Travel
03-20-11, 10:35
1 more time "Scam" Photos to show for advice.The girl with a such "formatted" page, are simply agencies. If you look carefully the page are Identycal, just copied and pasted. Avoid them. And go for normal girls "Individualki".

IT

Stevie69
03-20-11, 23:12
Just wondering how you fellas get round the issue of having your wallet and stuff laying around in apartments. None of the ones I have rented ever have a safe?You "working girl-proof" your apartment, just like any other time you invite strangers into your place. Put everything away, in your suitcase, zipped, upside down, in your closed closet. The exceptions are (1) the money you are planning to give her, (2) your keys, particularly if the apartment locks form the inside as well. That way she cannot leave until you deem everything is in order, and (3) a camera, if you want memories and she lets you. Keep the camera in an obvious, open place so if it goes missing, it will be clearly evident, (4) your phone, beside your camera, and your keys (5) an ample supply of condoms.

And of course, keep her in sight except when she goes to the bathroom, and do not go into the bathroom by yourself for 10 minutes (why would you?). With some simple precautions, you can even handle a party with 2 or 3 girls, with your mind at easy you can concentrate on the sex.

Cruiser D
03-21-11, 07:06
Easter in UA is according to the old calendar, so on another date. And, even on Orthodox Easter, no problem. Only exception: the "babushkas" (grandmas) probably will not be so open for adventures because visiting church.I was in Kyiv a few years ago during Easter. Dead dead dead dead.

Really, dead. .

Hi all, I'm back (and in Kyiv) , miss me?

Cruiser D
03-21-11, 07:58
Damn I have never been to mexicoa but paying 250-300 dollars for one hour seems very expensive unless she has a lux escort which I doubt.

For what I know mexico isn't rich so you could get chepar dude. U are being ripped off by the mexicoansYou can get a (real world) 8+ in NYC (or any major city in the world) for $300 / hour.

Cruiser D
03-21-11, 08:04
1 more time "Scam" Photos to show for advice.Fake.

I've had to send two girls away because they weren't the girls in the photos.

When you are unsure just give the address of your building and tell them you will meet them downstairs.

I suggest not paying for the taxi but let the girl know before hand that if the girl in the photo doesn't show up you will send her away and won't pay for the taxi.

There are still a lot of great gems to be found on mamba.

Cruiser D
03-21-11, 08:08
You are in Kyiv at the same time as me?

I'm scared.


Just a report.

I have visited Arena and D`Lux:

- the ticket entrance is 200 grivnas (!) ;

- there are not so many people in Arena anymore (maybe on Saturday) ;

- I didn`t see any active hunting by "working girls" inside;

- I see (cool) men take (average) girls but after a long dance session on the disco floor.

Maybe to go to discos is not a good deal because 4 entrances * 200 grivnas = 800 grivnas = 100 dollars to get no satysfing results: what do you think about that?

Cruiser D
03-21-11, 08:10
Shooter has been and still is attracting it's unique crowd since it opened.

YMMV.


I have read tips and reports from last summer that Shooters was quite hot. Is it still, or have the buisness moved? I will go to Kiev in the middle of May.

Cruiser D
03-21-11, 08:18
The RJ45's are actually quite nice. Even more so if you get the single seat row.

The turboprop anatolov. Not quite so nice.

Welcome to Ukraine.


So last week I was informed by my boss that I would be sent to Kiev to teach for a few weeks. I wasn't really sure how I felt about that at first. I knew that the Ukraine was filled with beautiful young women on the scene but I always had an image in my head about eastern europe as very harsh and unfriendly. Boy does it seem like I was way of base. I normally go to Thailand or the Philippines for my mongering and was afraid I wouldn't find the same GFE and happy attitude here. Again it seems I was sorely mistaken. Anyways first things first,

I show up at the airport with mixed feelings about this little assignment. I get checked in and head out to what was the smallest comercial aircraft I've ever seen for long haul travel (it was aerosvit airlines ). Allready I was getting big red mental flags flashing in my mind. Inside the plane the seats weren't that bad though (only 3 seats per row ). The stewardess'es were all extremely friendly and the flight was quick and pain free. 3 hours later I arrive at Kiev airport and breeze through immigration. The guy didn't even want the arrival card he just threw it away and said you have EU passport. I exchange some cash and hop in a taxi.

My company had reserved an apartment for me right in the heart of the city and I was very impressed it's standard, thinking an apartment over here would surely be very basic but it was definately "business" class like it said on the voucher. I get a quick shower and figure I was going to head out and try some nightclubs or possibly stip clubs. I step outside and it's freezing. The big screen on the nearest high rise reads. 13 degrees C. I look at my watch and see it is allready 22:00. I decide to head back inside and try one of the escort services on the web. I remember some posters mentioning the top modal website so I surf in and browse the selection. I decide to go for the only girl that has some english text in her ad hoping she wrote it herself and speaks as well as she writes. 22 year old Polina,

http://www.top-modals.com/?id=1770#f2

I make the call and indeed the girl on the phone speaks decent english. I am relieved and ask her if she is available. She says she will be here in 20 minutes. After closer to 40 minutes she text's me that she is downstairs. I go down and greet her and Imediately realize this is not the girl I spoke to on the phone. The girl standing before me is definately the girl in the photo's so I was quite happy about that but her english is very very limited. I take her up and she ask's me in her broken english if there is a problem. I say no, I just expected you to speak english but we will make due darling don't worry. She looks at me with a blank expression as she didn't understand a word I said. I use my body language to invite her in and offer her something to drink. Her mood instantly changes and she comes in and sits on the couch. I take a seat next to her, put my arm around her and bring up google translate. We negotiate a while and come to the agreement that she would stay 3 hours for 1600 UAH. The website say's she charges 800 per hour so I guess I got an hour free bonus. I give her the cash upfront and we get down to business.

As I get her clothes off I am pleased to see she looks quite like her pictures. A little bit more weight on the stomach but only minimally. She reveals that she is 25 and not 22 as the website says. We do abit of foreplay caressing eachother. She starts to lick my nipples at the same time she is stroking my johnsson gently. After abit of that she goes down and very gently licks my balls and wanks me for a few minutes. When I start to get really hard she pulls out a condom and puts it on with her mouth. Her oral skills were quite good. Nothing sensational but definately not amateur. It was around this time that I noticed she didn't not respond well to direction. She squeleed like a stubborn little girl when I tried to get her to blow me without her hands in the equation. She didn't like me grabbing her head either trying to get a bit more tempo going. I let it go and let her do her thing. After awhile I grabbed her and indicated it was time for penetration. She climbed on top and we tried cowgirl for a while but it was quite uninspired and without rythm so I turned her on her back and took her missionary. When I was finally driving the sex became much much better and she seemed to be getting more excited aswell. She let go and let me take her hard and for quite some time with her legs on my shoulders, me pumping her strong until I finally exploded and fell into her arms. We cuddled for awhile and started talking. Me not speaking any Ukranian and she having basic english to say the least the conversation actually turned out quite funny. We joked around and cuddled and forgot about time until she got a call and we saw the time. We had 20 minutes left. I suggested we get a quick second pop in before she left and she was happy to oblige. After having talked and joked around she seemed more comfortable and loosened up abit and the second run turned into abit of love making.

So her taxi arrived and I let her out. My first night in Kiev had been quite ok and as I conclude this report I'm now going to go to bed and see what more the city has tomorrow after work. Look forward to seeing more of this lovely town.

Over and out.

Cruiser D
03-21-11, 08:26
I found one of the hotter girls of vodkaescort on mamba for $90 / hour.

Don't know if the low price was due to my awesomeness or what the deal was.

I am assuming it was due to my awesomeness since she spent the night for the same price of $90. YMMV.

She went hardcore ($90 / hr) again so my window has closed. But I had fun while it was open for about a year.

I'm always pimping. .


The prices of the links are totally crazy.

Are you pimping?

Friends go on mamba, flirt or love (same database) and you will find nice real teens for less than half!

IT

Cruiser D
03-21-11, 08:52
I've tapped her too. Wasn't that bad pricewise. $100. YMMV.


But beware, she is a high maintenance kind of girl. She works in the local TV station, meets a lot of high rollers, and has high expectations. Only for deep pockets. Well educated, perfect English. 21 years old. I test drove her, but I had better and cheaper options.

145947

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Insomniaque
03-21-11, 09:13
You can get a (real world) 8+ in NYC (or any major city in the world) for $300 / hour.In France you will have to pay minimum $350. Unless you fancy obese Morrocan mamas or 50+ worn-out streetwalkers. .

Cruiser D
03-21-11, 09:25
There are three strip clubs in the Arena City Complex alone. Arena Cab, one of the Rhinos and Solid Gold. Haven't been to any of them but when I went to a Rhino a few years ago they had a no intim policy.

There has to be about 8-10 strip clubs within a 5km radius from Arena.

Have fun.


Can anyone recommend some good strip clubs in Kiev? I have read back through the Forum (also searched the net) but unfortunately nearly all of the information I found was out of date.

Here's the list of possible venues I came up with. I don't even know if all of these places are still open! (Also some of these may not even be strip clubs. It wasn't always entirely clear.)

- Millenium.

- Rio.

- TIXI.

- Cabaret.

- Paradise (may be the same as Cabaret, I. E 'Cabaret Paradise?)

- Some places with 'Rhino' ('Nosorog'?) in the name, for example Pink Rhino.

- Heaven.

- Red Lion.

- Joss

If anybody would be kind enough to give an opinion on these (or any other) places, for example price of drinks and dances, number and quality of girls, etc, I would be very grateful.

Many thanks in anticipation,

AE

Cruiser D
03-21-11, 09:26
Another reason why France sucks, the food is pretty good tho.


In France you will have to pay minimum $350. Unless you fancy obese Morrocan mamas or 50+ worn-out streetwalkers. .

Irish Lad
03-21-11, 11:30
Planning a vist arround Easter holidays. Is it going to be business as usual or supply shortages are expected. Are bars and clubs open as usual?

Thanks for your helpAvoid the Easter weekend. Bars / Clubs down to 20% attendance. Almost everyone spends it with their families leaving Thursday / Friday and returning Sunday / Monday. Easter taken very seriously here with a standard "Christ has risen" SMS being sent amongst friends on the Sunday.

Vogel09
03-21-11, 12:22
Dear fellow hobbyists,

Quick question: will visit Kiev in a few weeks time. Like to 'prepare' by replying to the mamba contacts ads. Was wondering, since I am currently not a 'real' member, is it safe to provide your mobile number to this site in order to become a 'real' member?

Also wondering whether you have had good experiences via mamba with some of the more mature ladies (35+).

Thanks!

Vogel

Vogel09
03-21-11, 15:27
Dear all,

Was just wondering; any of you have had experiences with more mature ladies (40+) through websites (like mamba, or other)? Did a search on 'mature' in this forum, but did not yield any results.

Thanks!

V

(haha, you might wonder why I am interested in mature ladies, when these women in the 20's are just gorgeous!)

Insomniaque
03-22-11, 08:16
There are three strip clubs in the Arena City Complex alone. Arena Cab, one of the Rhinos and Solid Gold. Haven't been to any of them but when I went to a Rhino a few years ago they had a no intim policy.Arena Cabaret must be avoided at all cost. Stupid prices, average-looking girls at the very best, and not much choice.

Have been to a Rhino once (the Mint one) and it is where I found the most stunning girls even as per Ukrainian standards. Sex is not on the menu, however; you won't touch the girls within the club and they won't come to your place either.

Solid Gold is on my todo list since TheKnight has posted a review on it some time ago. Worth trying out.

So far, of all the strips I have tested, Rio is by far my favourite.


Was wondering, since I am currently not a 'real' member, is it safe to provide your mobile number to this site in order to become a 'real' member?

Also wondering whether you have had good experiences via mamba with some of the more mature ladies (35+). It is perfectly safe to provide your number.

Ref. Mature ladies, actually I was about to meet one during my last trip (out of curiosity, I sometimes find that 18-20 chicks really lack experience so I wanted to try something else) but I changed my mind when I figured out that basically all girls were lying on their age. Which means that a women advertised as 35 is most probably 45 (or even 50?) which is a bit too much in my taste.

Vogel09
03-22-11, 08:18
Arena Cabaret must be avoided at all cost. Stupid prices, average-looking girls at the very best, and not much choice.

Have been to a Rhino once (the Mint one) and it is where I found the most stunning girls even as per Ukrainian standards. Sex is not on the menu, however; you won't touch the girls within the club and they won't come to your place either.

Solid Gold is on my todo list since TheKnight has posted a review on it some time ago. Worth trying out.

So far, of all the strips I have tested, Rio is by far my favourite.

It is perfectly safe to provide your number.

Ref. Mature ladies, actually I was about to meet one during my last trip (out of curiosity, I sometimes find that 18-20 chicks really lack experience so I wanted to try something else) but I changed my mind when I figured out that basically all girls were lying on their age. Which means that a women advertised as 35 is most probably 45 (or even 50?) which is a bit too much in my taste. Thanks Insomniaque for your comments!

Will provide my phone number in order have all the access, and take your suggestion on the age thing. Seems we have similar tasten. 50+ is off limits for me! .

Cruiser D
03-22-11, 08:39
Rio used to be awesome around 2005-06. Started to register on the suck meter around 08 which is around the same time I stopped going. What I don't like about Rio is that they (used to) charge an arm and leg to bring a girl with you and I generally always have a girl in tow while in Kyiv.

I'll see if I can fit Rio and Solid Gold in. Both are only a few blocks from my apartment.

The Rhino clubs are like American (Western) Strip Clubs. You give the girls a lot of money for no tangible return. Not fun unless you are the girl. I almost followed a super hottie in there the other night who was walking in to start her shift but I already knew the routine would be no, no, no, no, no – give me money and what's the point of that. I got one of the best grinds of my life at a Rhino out in the 'burbs but in the Ukraine that just doesn't cut it. Might be a good club to take a girl with.


Arena Cabaret must be avoided at all cost. Stupid prices, average-looking girls at the very best, and not much choice.

Have been to a Rhino once (the Mint one) and it is where I found the most stunning girls even as per Ukrainian standards. Sex is not on the menu, however; you won't touch the girls within the club and they won't come to your place either.

Solid Gold is on my todo list since TheKnight has posted a review on it some time ago. Worth trying out.

So far, of all the strips I have tested, Rio is by far my favourite.

It is perfectly safe to provide your number.

Ref. Mature ladies, actually I was about to meet one during my last trip (out of curiosity, I sometimes find that 18-20 chicks really lack experience so I wanted to try something else) but I changed my mind when I figured out that basically all girls were lying on their age. Which means that a women advertised as 35 is most probably 45 (or even 50?) which is a bit too much in my taste.

Cruiser D
03-22-11, 08:44
Yeah, she cleans my apartment. Does a good job too.

QUOTE=Vogel09; 1136103]Dear all,

Was just wondering; any of you have had experiences with more mature ladies (40+) through websites (like mamba, or other)? Did a search on 'mature' in this forum, but did not yield any results.

Thanks!

V.

(haha, you might wonder why I am interested in mature ladies, when these women in the 20's are just gorgeous!) [/QUOTE]

Cruiser D
03-22-11, 08:45
Anyone been in contact with Skank or 109?

LilJoey
03-22-11, 10:20
I have been reading this board for some time and have benefitted from the advice given by those hearty explorers who have blazed a trail before me in the various countries I have visited so far in pursuit of 'the hobby'.

This is my first post. The reason I make a post now is that I never before felt I had anything to contribute to the forum in the form of new information that wasn't completely repetitive of that which had been written by others who had more to say than I possibly could. However, after reading the posts of the last half year or so, I feel that this Kiev thread is foundering and has little of value stated to guide the newcomers. I hope what I have to say herein will clear the air, and help those who come to visit Kiev in this current post-River Palace era.

I still consider myself a novice at this, although my views are a composite derived from some considerable experience over the last few years in the FKK's of Frankfurt and Vienna, a healthy sampling of the varied p4p options in Prague and Budapest, as well as in San Jose, Costa Rica and the Dominican Republic cities of Puerto Plata, Santiago, Sosua and Santo Domingo. I am also quite familiar with the scene in North American cities such as Miami, New York and Montreal, and have also had an opportunity for brief but satisfying nibbles in London and Madrid.

Different men will have different tastes as to what is considered beautiful and sexy to them to the point that they feel their money is well spent. One of the chief concerns of the writers and readers of this board, if not 'the' chief concern, is getting the best looking p4p experience in each locality at the lowest price and with the most efficiency.

MY BACKGROUND PERSPECTIVE

My view is that if I have traveled to a different country to sample its goodies at considerable cost to me in terms of time and money, then the ideal that I am looking to find consists of: girls on a very high level of looks, (I. E. The 8's. 9's and 10's) , who give good unrushed GFE full service, who are available at a price that is much less than my home market. That's a tall order, but in a place like Kiev, it is definitely achievable.

I am not the kind of guy who, for example, would be satisfied with what makes the guys who slavishly follow Alphatester's amazingly detailed map for the low end of Warsaw p4p looking for the impossible to find 'gems' and who end up describing how they spent their time boinking fat, ugly, black-toothed Polish ho'es in dark, dingy, smelly apartments in that city – and coming out of the ordeal happy because they only spent 100 zlotys (around $33 USD) doing so.

No. I'm looking for hard-bodied very pretty, pink pussy, that smells like strawberries and is clean and good enough to eat. Which I generally then do.

North American markets like New York have rates like $300. $400 / hr, as can be seen from an examination of eros. Com ads. There are of course the extravagant high end agencies with ridiculous prices, but the basic New York range is $300. $400 / hr. The prices in Miami do not lag too far behind New York. Toronto's prices seem to be a bit less expensive in the $250-$300 / hr range, while Montreal remains an oasis where a solid GFE service is still available at $180. $200 / hr, but one needs to beware of the bait and switch operations that abound there where eros. Com is useless, and merb. Ca rules.

In London, the rates for a beautiful girl range from 150 GBP (about $250 USD) to 200 GBP (about $325 USD) as can be seen from a fruitful study of the offerings on the conglomeration of agencies featured on londonescortguide. Com. There are a few agencies offering nice looking girls for 110 GBP (around $180 USD, equivalent to the Montreal rates). It is also possible to spend one's hours laboring over a website like adultwork. Com to find girls in London, which is actually a recommended method on this forum in the London thread, but I can't see the tiny pictures well on the adultwork website, and find the process extremely laborious and time-consuming, so I sufficed with using londonescortguide. Com.

This brings me to a good illustration of my reasoning and perspective when it comes to getting a better value in p4p when one travels compared to where you reside, in order to justify the trip. I was in London where, using londonescortguide. Com, I came up with dates like the following eastern european princesses:

Amelia – 180 GBP (around $300 USD) per hour – a true Polish beauty (pics are real)

http://www.supreme69.co.uk/london-escorts/amelia.html

http://www.admiralescorts.com/escort/edgware-road-w2-blonde-amelia

Or Gloria – 200 GBP (around $325 USD) per hour.

http://www.supreme69.co.uk/london-escorts/gloria.html

http://prime-escort.co.uk/gloria.php

Although the rates of these two girls in London approximate the base rate for a hot girl in New York, it is not similar. Because these two girls, Amelia or Gloria, are truly exceptional. They are, in my opinion, clearly 10's, and so beautiful in terms of their facial appearance, the perfect shape and tone of their bodies, that girls such as these 'supermodels' would command a far higher rate in New York than the basic $400 / hr rate for a hot girl. So for the chance to spend an hour or so in the company of girls such as these, I felt it was well worth the fee they asked in their London market in comparison to what could be gotten in New York.

Now I know that a frequent writer on this forum, and I'm speaking of Jojosun, from whom I have learned a lot, has written in the Warsaw thread, that it is possible to find pretty Polish girls in London in what he calls 'a Polish brothel' for 80 GBP (around $130 USD). But Jojosun has never written the websites or addresses or numbers for these Polish brothels, nor how to find them. So guys like me are left hoping he will remember to do so at some point. But even so, I don't believe you would find girls in these 80 GBP Polish brothels anywhere near the level of good looks of girls like Amelia or Gloria, above.

But I know the readers of this thread are not interested in finding supermodels for $300 / hr, although I'm sure looking at the photos of Amelia and Gloria many would waver on the line of temptation. However, I hope this background about my perspective is helpful in understanding where I am coming from and what I am about to write about the prices in Europe in general and in Eastern Europe and in Kiev in particular.

WHAT IS THE FAIR PRICE OF EASTERN EUROPEAN PUSSY?

This vexing question is at the root of many a debate on various threads on this forum, but after reading the forum, and having experience of five or six trips to Kiev, I think a consensus would be between $100 / hr USD. 100 Euro / hr (around $135 USD) , with the caveat stated that if your negotiating skills and mongering skills are up to it, you will be able to score hot pussy for less than that, perhaps even half that rate. But if you end up paying $100 USD / hr in Kiev for hot pussy. You haven't been ripped off. You just haven't gotten the rock-bottom prices that are sometimes possible in Kiev.

Consider the following rates from all over Europe. The fixed rate for an hour of time in the Frankfurt FKK's is 100 Euro, but the entrance fee of 75 Euro must be considered and factored into the costs too. Assuming many guys will do at least three girls during a visit, if you spend three hours with three girls at the FKK, for example, your net rate is $125 Euro per girl / hour at the FKK. Budapest prices with girls from websites like www.redzone.hu Or www.rosszlanyok.hu, after adding to the basic fee, any fees for extras to get GFE type services, came out to around 25, 000 HUF a few years ago which was around 100 Euro. Vienna escort agency rates can be found in the range of 150 Euro for the first hour and 110 Euro for the subsequent hours. The various Laufhaus' in Vienna have hourly rates not too different, as one can determine from the abundant postings on the kontaktbazar. At. The Vienna FKK Goldentime has slightly higher rates of 60 Euro per half hour, or 120 Euro / hr. Plus entrance fee. In Madrid at Flowers Park, the prices asked recently were 150 Euro / hr which can be negotiated down to 110 Euro or maybe 100 Euro. I had a one night stopover there facing the prospect of no more play for a while after that, so I splurged and did a 1. 5 hr duo there for 150 Euro each girl, which equals a rate of 100 Euro / hr for each girl. In Warsaw on odloty. Pl the prices seem to be 300 zloty / hr (around $100 USD) or 200 zloty / hr (around $66 USD). I haven't investigated everywhere, but the center of gravity for prices in Eastern Europe seems to be in the 100 Euro / hour – 130 euro / hour range.

KIEV PRICES:

www.mamba.ru : In Kiev on mamba. Ru, you need to have patience to do the work required, and make the contacts to get the girls' telephone numbers. Prices quoted by many girls are 800 UAH / hr (around $100 USD) or 600 UAH (around $75 USD) , or sometimes even 400 UAH (around $50 USD) and this is before negotiating. Although on mamba. Ru there is the occasional girl who will ask for $200 USD or $300 USD, when asked for how many hours she wants this, she usually backs off and says that those prices are for 1. 5-2 or 3-4 hours respectively. The thing about mamba. Ru that is not usually pointed out by writers on this forum, is that many, if not most of the girls on mamba. Ru using the words in their profile of 'I want to find a sponsor' or more blatantly 'I offer sex for money', are either independent escorts using multiple mamba. Ru profiles to get customers, or worse are agency or girl apartments were a 'manager' is putting multiple ads on mamba. Ru for the girls in the agency or apartment. This is verifiable as many of the photos of the lovelies on mamba. Ru also appear on escort websites. This factor increases the possibility of the 'bait and switch' where a girl looking nothing like the picture will show up to meet you, or where you will speak to a girl who speaks English thinking this is the girl who will come to meet you, but instead a girl comes whose English skills are poor or non-existent. So mamba. Ru is not simply a social website for cute students to put in their non-pro ads. It is a social website that insofar as Kiev is concerned has become a website of choice for many professionals, adding to the likelihood of encountering bait and switch. Now with regard to bait and switch, for those of you wondering why they do it, it can be understandable as a business model when they send a girl of somewhat similar level of looks to the pictures they used in the ads, since most guys will just go with it, if the girl that shows up is hot too. What is hard to understand is why these agencies send ugly fat girls to guys expecting a girl similar to the hottie they saw in the pictures. It's a waste of time, and I suppose the only way to deal with it, is as suggested elsewhere in this forum, that it is best to meet the girl outside your building, perhaps at a coffee shop nearby, so you can send her away without getting entangled, and to the degree she is a gross departure from the level of looks promised in the picture ad, to send her without taxi fare, and also to possibly order more than one girl at a time, and pick the winner. It should be mentioned though that if you pursue these tactics over a period of time in dealing with the bait and switch agencies, your telephone number may get tagged by them and blacklisted.

Escort agencies: Most internet websites for escort agencies in Kiev seek 150 Euro / hr or 200 Euro / hr and as far as I am concerned are over-priced. I never tried them, so I don't know if the pictures are real or bs. There is one escort website deserving of mention, however, www.top-modals.com.

www.top-modals.com . This website has girls with reasonable prices ranging from 400 UAH (around $50 USD) to 600 UAH to 800 UAH (around $100 USD) to 1200 UAH to 1600 UAH. This is also the only website agency in Kiev that I have used where the two models that came to see me were just as their accurate pictures labeled 'real photo'. This is not a guarantee that all girls labeled as such, are posting true pics. But it has been my experience in meetings during 2010. Also the 800 UAH ($100 USD) per hr price was fine by me, and if you allow the girl more hours, the rate will come down to where she may stay more than two hours for 1600 UAH. If she stays three hours for 1600 UAH your rate is essentially $66 USD / hr.

I don't care for the looks of the girls on www.gia-escort.com So the $180 / hr price tag certainly didn't interest me, despite the reports that service was GFE and good.

There are a number of websites that I am convinced are fronts for apartments with girls because multiple girls on them have the same phone numbers. The photos are so hot that it is most certainly too good to be really true pics. But since they offer the opportunity to come to their apartment to pick, I have had it as a plan that I would do this one time when I had some down time in Kiev, and see what kind of lovelies they have. I'm talking about websites like escort-models. Com, sexbombua. Com, or xmodel. Com. Ua.

Where have the River Palace girls gone?

The River Palace was a casino boat parked along the riverside where over a hundred working girls used to show up nightly to pick up clients. It was a very unique scene, where the floor of the discoteque was filled with gorgeous girls dancing solo showing their wares, and guys sitting around ogling them and drinking. There was always something for everyone there, from the high priced girls to the more reasonably priced ladies, and as the evening wore on the ladies got more reasonable as to pricing. The authorities towed the River Palace away towards the end of 2010 and this wonderful resource is no more. And the poor mongerers are wandering around Kiev wondering where all the easy ladies are.

I have read reports in this forum that the ladies are now going to several nightclub venues including the Buddha Bar (more of a restaurant / bar) and Avalon etc. But I have been in Kiev in November 2010 and went to the Buddha Bar and to Avalon and did not see any substantial hooker presence there, and I also went to Buddha Bar in Kiev in February 2011 from 10:30pm – midnight and nothing there. So I am doubtful as to the correctness of those reports.

The girls need a venue to meet us too, so the answer to the question of where the River Palace girls have all gone is still a mystery to me.

The STRIP CLUBS:

RIO: If you remember one thing from the entire article I have written, remember this. You will not regret visiting the Rio Club rioclub. Com. Ua on Chmielniskaya. [Their sister club, the Mandarin, which had a burlesque style awesome show, was also taken away from the river banks when they took away the River Palace, but I've heard that they will reopen the Mandarin club] The Rio Club has very beautiful young sexy dancers to enjoy their dance, and who will give private dances for 200 UAH (around $25 USD). The difference between this strip club and others I have been to, is that if you are very lucky, the girl of your dreams just might agree to accompany you home. The fee that was asked, and gladly paid, was $300 USD for three (3) hours. For an all night date, $400 USD was asked. The reason I am a fan of the Rio club is that it was here that I found the girls on a level of beauty of body and face that excited me – many 8's and 9's and even a few 10's. And whereas at the River Palace, such very pretty sexy girls would have asked for $400 for 2 hrs, and perhaps gotten it, these girls at Rio were available for a proper rate of $100 USD / hr. The caveat was that you had to take them for three hours and the total cost was $300 USD. But then again, this was for three hours with an amazingly hot beautiful girl. The service I have had from the three different girls I have had the opportunity to spend time with so far, has in each case been very GFE and a wonderful experience. These girls have sent me home dreaming about them for weeks and months. So I have made peace with the $300 outlay on the knowledge that it is for three hours and represents a proper rate of $100 / hr. And I value and savor three hours with a beautiful girl. At my age (early 50's) , I'm not likely to finish twice unless it's one of my first sessions of the trip, but for my one time I don't finish fast like a 20 yr old, so after a little help from 20mg of Cialis, I can usually keep the session going with various activities for most of the time period and I feel I'm getting a very good value. The most important advantage of this situation is that I can see every aspect of the girl's body beforehand, speak to her and get to know her personality, mess around with her in a private dance and get the chemistry rolling – all before I decide if I want to proposition her, and all in a very relaxed low pressure classy comfortable environment.

OTHER STRIP CLUBS WITH TAKE OUT? If there are any other strip club establishments that have very hot pretty girls and also allow take out, I would be glad to read about it in this forum, and the price info also. It can't be that only one club in Kiev has this option, can it?

Now I know that what I have written above about being interested in the high end of p4p of the 8's. 9's and 10's will strike a chord with many of you out there.

But I also know that there are guys reading this forum that don't enjoy things the way I do. These gentlemen get much more pleasure out of knowing that they have paid the least amount humanly possible, than from the visual pleasure they might get out of being with a 9 or 10 supermodel level girl. These fellows will have no use for all that time of three hours with a beautiful girl if they have to pay for it, because all they really want to do 'on the clock', so to speak, is to bang the girl for a quick half hour or so and then get her out of the apartment with the minimum of cost. For these gentlemen, the option the Rio Club presents is not worthwhile.

So for you fellows who only want to pay a low rate for one (1) hour maximum, the best bet in Kiev is mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com, as described above. You will just have to hope that you can come across a girl hot enough to have made your trip to Kiev in order to bang her for $75 / hr or $100 / hr worthwhile. You will not be able to see the true appearance of the mamba or top-modal girl in advance and may get victimized by bait and switch, but don't get frustrated and keep at it, because from what the others on this forum are writing, it appears possible to hit pay-dirt quite often in a city like Kiev that is population-dense with hotties. However, the truth is for guys with this mentality toward the costs of p4p, maybe the FKK's of Frankfurt are a better location to pursue the hobby, since the girls are very good looking, the service is great, and the cost is incremented in half-hour sessions for 50Euro (around $70 USD). It's like picking luscious fruit off a tree right in front of you, no stress of bait and switch to worry about.

SO WHAT DO I DO IN KIEV?

So at this writing, my own preferred approach to mongering in Kiev, is to have one or two sessions with some supermodel type from Club Rio strip club, so I will assure myself of remembering the trip with a big smile on my face, and simultaneously to experiment with girls from mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com. Then if I have any time left, and any strength left. LOL, I would think about also judiciously exploring some of the other escort websites I mentioned above in a way that it will not waste too much of my time. If I find anything good I will report it.

APARTMENTS:

Lastly, I should mention that there are numerous apartments of girls all over downtown Kiev, which the taxi drivers know about and can take you to. I did this on my first trip to Kiev and visited three or four of them, but didn't end up staying. They have cheap prices too and some of the girls look pretty good. The reason I didn't end up staying is because of the language barrier. I was afraid it couldn't be a good session because I didn't know how to ask in Russian for OWO or DATY, two of my favorites, or to negotiate prices and understand numbers, and I wouldn't have understood the response anyway even if the girl got what I was saying. But this is fertile ground for exploration by those seeking local prices. I don't believe anyone has done anything in Kiev similar to what Alphatester has done in the Warsaw thread. Maybe it's about time.

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But truly, where have all the River Palace girls gone to? Damn it. I will be in Kiev for two weekends again this April and May. Maybe someone will give us the real answer by then?

Cruiser D
03-22-11, 13:04
Ah, only the Germans.

A2P generally results in a yeast infection for the girl if done directly.


Sorry, I'm from Germany.

FT = Blowjob with Cum swallow / Französchich total.

FO = Blowjob without condom / Französchich ohne Kondom.

ZK = Deep kisses (tongue) /Zungenküsse.

ZA = Tongue Anal / Zungen Anal.

AV = Analsex.

A2P = Ass to Pussy.

A2M = Ass to mouth.

No limit = sex without condom (this is dangerous, I know this)

Cruiser D
03-22-11, 14:12
The 250uah girl paid you 250uah, right?

Shooters. Girls looking for rich foreign men? Am I missing something here? Irish Lad, any comments?


Shooters. I finally managed to come somewhere alone one night and met up with another American and English guy. There were some normal girls here dancing, but a lot of them were here to hook up with a rich foreigner. Probably the most obvious scene from all the places I went too. I heard they had really strict face control, but I didn't experience any problems. Perhaps it's with people with darker skin?

Vodka Bar. Located right at Independence Square, there's a bar on the first floor and a restaurant type setting upstairs. A lot of eye candy, again, mainly standing at the bar area. The music is loud if you're sitting downstairs, but the prices are reasonable. You can get a table with vodka and Red Bull for cheap, I don't remember cost. I was only here to scope out the scene.

Most of my contacts came from fellow forum members here, and the rest were just meeting them on my own. I met a waitress at Myrakami. A student who spoke really good English. Next time I'm there, we plan to go dancing and she was going to bring friends from her University. I hooked up with 3 different girls during my 1-week stay, pretty much all repeats since it was good service and I didn't bother seeking more. Cost was extremely reasonable from reading what some of you guys paid. Maybe because I skipped the girls from D'Lux and Buddha Bar. Part of it was probably how I connected with them. The most I paid was 1, 000 UAH for a couple of hours and the least for 250 UAH for multiple hours. I consider the 250 UAH girl very attractive. I think for most, you guys would probably love a young blonde I was with. But for my young age, young girls are a dime a dozen and I'm more turned-on by early 30's MILFs.

Attached below is the 250 UAH girl whom I had for several nights (the MILF-looking one). I had to hide the eyes though as I promised her I wouldn't show it to anyone. Sue me, I have a conscious.

AZN Monger

Prosal
03-22-11, 14:40
Another reason why France sucks, the food is pretty good tho.And beside paid sex, what are the reasons why France sucks please?

Paris is a highly enjoyable place to live, when you have the means. There's a reason why it is the most visited city in the world. Furthermore it's flooded with Russian devushki vacationers (as you know, there's a popular Russian saying that litterally translate "To see Paris and die") , which undoubtedly adds to its charm (smilie).

Irish Lad
03-22-11, 16:06
The 250uah girl paid you 250uah, right?

Shooters. Girls looking for rich foreign men? Am I missing something here? Irish Lad, any comments? Rumour has it there are 1 or 2 there. I'll keep an eye out for them when I get back.

AColonizer
03-22-11, 20:53
Cruiser D, please, don't be naive, we are in a sex forum, not in a Red Cross forum. I have fucked A2P2A for years without condom and we are in perfect health, it is probably because I always fuck clean asshole up to 30 cm inside. Moreover, after an ass fuck, cock becomes more tasty for A2M (smile).


Mein gott!

Ah, only the Germans.

A2P generally results in a yeast infection for the girl if done directly.

===== Originally Posted by Harry Hirsch View Post.

Sorry, I'm from Germany.

FT = Blowjob with Cum swallow / Französchich total.

FO = Blowjob without condom / Französchich ohne Kondom.

ZK = Deep kisses (tongue) /Zungenküsse.

ZA = Tongue Anal / Zungen Anal.

AV = Analsex.

A2P = Ass to Pussy.

A2M = Ass to mouth.

No limit = sex without condom (this is dangerous, I know this)

Debauchee
03-23-11, 04:01
I've been reading this forum for months, and have seen little if any mention of the streetwalker scene in Kiev. In a city of that size there must be some prostitutes who work directly through street solicitations, and I'm interested in where they usually hang out, the average quality, and how much the police harass them and their customers. I'm asking because I'm not a fan of smoky bars or discos (I don't drink or smoke tobacco) , and am too poor to afford many of the rates I've seen quoted for the women who ply their trade from the Web sites mentioned here (which don't seem like much of a bargain even compared to the US or Canada).

Also, I've read a lot of warnings on the Internet about the corrupt, brutal, racist nature of police in Ukraine (with some foreigners complaining of being asked for bribes from the authorities right after they stepped off the plane at Boryspil airport). As a fair-skinned Caucasian middle-aged US citizen of Western European ethnicity who travels alone, how concerned should I be about being targeted for police inquiries or bribes whilst hanging out on the streets of Kiev?

Cruiser D
03-23-11, 08:14
Where have the River Palace girls gone?

As you know they have gone to a number of clubs in the city. This trend already start before the Boat floated away as the Kyiv nightclub (and semi pro) scene expanded and the 'newness' of RP worn off (RP have been around since the 90's). A lot of the girls would work the Boat on Thursdays. Friday, Arena on Saturday or Decadence, Avalon or where ever.

Some have even taken off for the supposed greener grass of Moscow.

Ah, your question. Try D'Lux.

The rumour on the street is that the Boat will eventually float back (once the local authorities find a payment arrangement they like). Hopefully in time for Superbowl Ho Down 2012.

Cruiser D
03-23-11, 08:20
Actually I believe NYC is the most visited city in the world. With the US being the most visited country. At least that is what my friends (not American) in the tourist business tell me.

I prefer Provence to Paris but Paris is indeed a city worth visiting every few years.

I believe there is another saying about France, I think it's English in origin, 'France would be nice without the French'.


And beside paid sex, what are the reasons why France sucks please?

Paris is a highly enjoyable place to live, when you have the means. There's a reason why it is the most visited city in the world. Furthermore it's flooded with Russian devushki vacationers (as you know, there's a popular Russian saying that litterally translate "To see Paris and die") , which undoubtedly adds to its charm (smilie).

Cruiser D
03-23-11, 08:22
The information is indeed in the forum but very rarely covered. Yes, there is a street walker scene in Kyiv.

Dig through the forum to find the info or ask your closest seedy taxi driver.


I've been reading this forum for months, and have seen little if any mention of the streetwalker scene in Kiev. In a city of that size there must be some prostitutes who work directly through street solicitations, and I'm interested in where they usually hang out, the average quality, and how much the police harass them and their customers. I'm asking because I'm not a fan of smoky bars or discos (I don't drink or smoke tobacco) , and am too poor to afford many of the rates I've seen quoted for the women who ply their trade from the Web sites mentioned here (which don't seem like much of a bargain even compared to the US or Canada).

Also, I've read a lot of warnings on the Internet about the corrupt, brutal, racist nature of police in Ukraine (with some foreigners complaining of being asked for bribes from the authorities right after they stepped off the plane at Boryspil airport). As a fair-skinned Caucasian middle-aged US citizen of Western European ethnicity who travels alone, how concerned should I be about being targeted for police inquiries or bribes whilst hanging out on the streets of Kiev?

Cruiser D
03-23-11, 08:27
If that is the case I think the poor student girls are in the wrong club.

I always pictured Shooters as a bar where student girls go to have a good low cost time. Those that can make it past 'clique control' at the door.

I do like the pretzel sticks tho.


Rumour has it there are 1 or 2 there. I'll keep an eye out for them when I get back.

LilJoey
03-23-11, 08:56
I've been reading this forum for months, and have seen little if any mention of the streetwalker scene in Kiev. In a city of that size there must be some prostitutes who work directly through street solicitations, and I'm interested in where they usually hang out, the average quality, and how much the police harass them and their customers. I'm asking because I'm not a fan of smoky bars or discos (I don't drink or smoke tobacco) , and am too poor to afford many of the rates I've seen quoted for the women who ply their trade from the Web sites mentioned here (which don't seem like much of a bargain even compared to the US or Canada).

Also, I've read a lot of warnings on the Internet about the corrupt, brutal, racist nature of police in Ukraine (with some foreigners complaining of being asked for bribes from the authorities right after they stepped off the plane at Boryspil airport). As a fair-skinned Caucasian middle-aged US citizen of Western European ethnicity who travels alone, how concerned should I be about being targeted for police inquiries or bribes whilst hanging out on the streets of Kiev?Traveling alone, one would do best to minimize the hanging out on the seedier streets of Kiev, especially if you're a non-Russian speaking tourist. It's common sense. You're just inviting trouble. One scam to watch out for is the person passing by you drops his wallet and then turns around and accuses you of stealing his money that he had in the wallet. All of a sudden there appears police officers, either uniformed or plainclothes, to deal with the accused theft, and bingo, you're in the middle of trying to extricate yourself from this bs, usually by means of a payoff to Kiev's finest. This can be a problem for you even if you don't stoop down and pick up the dropped wallet to return it to the felon trying to scam you as the do-gooder that you are, because you will be accused nonetheless. It was attempted on me in the latter fashion not to far off the Maydan. Luckily there were people in the restaurant I was standing in front of who were looking at this happening and I guess they figured I could prove I never touched the wallet, so they left me alone.

Also, I just made a post where I outlined prices in Kiev. And it has been mentioned by others in many posts before also. You can get girls off of mamba. Ru website or top-modals. Com for 400 UAH or 600 UAH. That's $50 or $75 USD for an hour for full service. And these are relatively good looking young girls, not crack ho'es off the streets. Why do you write that the prices in Kiev do not compare favorably to US and Canada prices. Is $50 or $75 really too much for you to pay for a nice looking girl? Or is it that you like the excitement of the risk of doing the deed on the street in an alley or in a car where you can get nabbed by the police. You're taking unecessary risks IMO.

LilJoey
03-23-11, 09:07
Where have the River Palace girls gone?

As you know they have gone to a number of clubs in the city. This trend already start before the Boat floated away as the Kyiv nightclub (and semi pro) scene expanded and the 'newness' of RP worn off (RP have been around since the 90's). A lot of the girls would work the Boat on Thursdays. Friday, Arena on Saturday or Decadence, Avalon or where ever.

Some have even taken off for the supposed greener grass of Moscow.

Ah, your question. Try D'Lux.

The rumour on the street is that the Boat will eventually float back (once the local authorities find a payment arrangement they like). Hopefully in time for Superbowl Ho Down 2012. Thanks for the reply Cruiser D.

As I related initially, based on the reports in the forum that the RP girls are to be found in the clubs you mention and others, I have been looking for them, but I have yet to find them in any worthy concentration in the places I have tried so far I. E. Avalon and Buddha Bar. So I guess your advice is to keep hitting the clubs.

Superbowl Ho Down 2012 seems a long way off. I'll be in Kiev for the weekend of April 14th and continue my search for ho' heaven.

Liljoey

Prosal
03-23-11, 11:46
Actually I believe NYC is the most visited city in the world. With the US being the most visited country. At least that is what my friends (not American) in the tourist business tell me.

I believe there is another saying about France, I think it's English in origin, 'France would be nice without the French'. Well, that's really strange for people working in the tourism business to make such a BS statement. Maybe they'd better actualize their knowledge. According the UNWTO (World Tourism Organization) , there was some 79 millions inbound tourists arrivals in France vs some 51 millions in USA in 2007 (can't find more recent statistics, but I seriously doubt that it has changed that much).

http://www.unwto.org/facts/eng/pdf/barometer/unwto_barom07_2_en.pdf


I believe there is another saying about France, I think it's English in origin, 'France would be nice without the French'.This kind of statements don't amaze me coming from the Brits (funny how so many of them come to live in France for their retirement by the way) , and I don't doubt this is also a MOTTO among retarded inbred American peckerwoods.

Hotman 666
03-23-11, 13:05
I've been reading this forum for months, and have seen little if any mention of the streetwalker scene in Kiev. In a city of that size there must be some prostitutes who work directly through street solicitations, and I'm interested in where they usually hang out, the average quality, and how much the police harass them and their customers. I'm asking because I'm not a fan of smoky bars or discos (I don't drink or smoke tobacco) , and am too poor to afford many of the rates I've seen quoted for the women who ply their trade from the Web sites mentioned here (which don't seem like much of a bargain even compared to the US or Canada).

Also, I've read a lot of warnings on the Internet about the corrupt, brutal, racist nature of police in Ukraine (with some foreigners complaining of being asked for bribes from the authorities right after they stepped off the plane at Boryspil airport). As a fair-skinned Caucasian middle-aged US citizen of Western European ethnicity who travels alone, how concerned should I be about being targeted for police inquiries or bribes whilst hanging out on the streets of Kiev? Perhaps you did not go back far enough!

I posted the following on 6th June last year.

OK, that was Summer, and quite warm, but you should still find "some" about!

I NEVER had problems with the police when I was looking!
Oh yes, just carry your passport with you at ALL times!
On one occasion I was stopped by 2 of the local “Gestapo” who wanted to see my passport.
I had it with me, showed them, so, NO PROBLEM for me (and no beer money for them!!!!!!)


Enjoy (I did!)

Hotman.

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Street Meat in Kiev (6th June 2010)

A couple of people have recently asked about 'Street Meat' in Kiev.

I was there last week and can confirm that there are streetwalkers available!

Every evening on Khreschatyk St. There were girls to be found.

If you walk along the street, where the sidewalk is widest, there are benches under the trees where you can find hookers. Each evening I saw an average of 8 – 12 girls within Half a mile or so.

Prices quoted to me were. 500 Ukranian. 50 Euro, and 60 $US (depending on where the girls guessed I was from!)

I did not find a 9 or 10 there but many were 7-8 on my scale.

One girl, tall, blonde and slim with amazing fun bags quoted me 50 Eu for some fun back at my hotel, with no time limit. Had a great 2 hour session and phoned her the next day for a repeat. This time she stayed around 3. 1/2 hours also for 50 Eu and would have stayed the night but I had to get up early the next day.

NOTE. You will also find 'civilians' waiting for friends or looking for company on these benches but for any experienced Monger it should not be difficult to sort out which is which.

Given a bit of time it was perfectly possible to set up a date with some of the civilians over a coffee or a beer for a date the next evening. From then it was quite easy to 'have your wicked way' with them for the price of a meal or a few beers!

Also got a few numbers for next time.

This wes my first time in Ukraine and, for me, there was no reason to pay the 200/250 Eu / US$ ++++ that I see being talked about!

But then I am not looking for a 'Trophy Fuck' just an enjoyable few hours with an attractive (and attentive) young girl.

Of course YMMV.

Insomniaque
03-23-11, 14:18
however, after reading the posts of the last half year or so, i feel that this kiev thread is foundering and has little of value stated to guide the newcomers.you can't be serious, can you? your post has the virtue of synthesizing info which were rep001tered, however. (and substantial reports are always welcome.)

at this point, i can't help adding my two cents regarding the "fair price" issue. one has to be specific regarding what is sought after, you just can't compare the rio and mamba rates as we are talking about completely different experiences, so claiming that strippers are not in line with the (so-called) market is, to some extent, meaningless.

advantages of a strip-club:

- what you see is what you get. obviously.

- the girls can move. nothing more frustrating than a stunner with no sense of rhythm, it's like a bugatti with no steering wheel.

- in venues like rio, if the girl comes with you, it means that she likes you enough. good for you if you fancy gfes.

as for mamba and the like, the main advantage is price, of course. rio girls will normally agree upon an overnight (or at least 3-4 hours) but you will have to pay the $300 upfront, whatever the duration of the meeting. quite annoying if you are after a quick fuck (or if you simply can't afford that). another advantage (as far as i can see) is that it is a pretty good place to look for threesomes, as many chicks have a "girlfriend". other than that, and leaving aside the bait and switch problem, you will need a good deal of luck to find a genuine gfe on dating / escort sites; basically, a girl who can fuck a dude without having met him once is everything but a "girlfriend": that's just not the spirit.

all we can say in terms of fair price is that:

- "standard" price for a mamba girl is around uah600 / hr;

- "standard" price for a hooker in a bar / club (avalon, etc.) is $200 / hr;

- "standard" price for a rio girl is $300/3-4hrs;

- etc.

but there is no comparing such "standards" with one another. different mongering styles.

not to mention the fact that such prices will vary depending on your tastes: a girl-next-door will cost less than a model.


but i know the readers of this thread are not interested in finding supermodels for $300 / hrmy friend, you are dead wrong.

Cruiser D
03-23-11, 17:05
Being French (I assume) then you already know the French can be douches for no apparent reason other than cultural.

The whole world can't be wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tourism_rankings

I'm amazed. It is however the UN, they are known for having numbers that don't quite add up.


Well, that's really strange for people working in the tourism business to make such a BS statement. Maybe they'd better actualize their knowledge. According the UNWTO (World Tourism Organization) , there was some 79 millions inbound tourists arrivals in France vs some 51 millions in USA in 2007 (can't find more recent statistics, but I seriously doubt that it has changed that much).

http://www.unwto.org/facts/eng/pdf/barometer/unwto_barom07_2_en.pdf

This kind of statements don't amaze me coming from the Brits (funny how so many of them come to live in France for their retirement by the way) , and I don't doubt this is also a MOTTO among retarded inbred American peckerwoods.

Cruiser D
03-23-11, 17:12
Who are the photo of? Girls you boned? Or girls you can across on the internet?

Prosal
03-23-11, 17:16
SacrebleuSmilie.[/quote]Anyway, to bring back things to more interesting matters, what is amazing with the UNWTO numbers is that it show that some 20 millions (inbound tourist) people visit Ukraine each year, most of then in summer I guess, and to Black Sea or Azal Sea seaside towns. That undoubtedly makes a lot of Russian or Belarussian devushki eager to party their ass off and have hot flings.

Mantid
03-23-11, 20:39
i am always amused by dumb ass english and americans trashing the french considering what barbarians we americans and english (well maybe the english aren't barbarians, just obnoxious). my experience with the french in france is people going out of their way to help a lost tourist. even had a bus driver turn his empty bus around and take me to the correct bus stop when he realized i was on the wrong one. yeah they are a little prickly about their language (have also seen a frenchman in cuba correct the pronounciation of the cuban tour guides french, and people snicker at an iberian airlines stewardess announcing things in french on the way from spain to france) but there are plenty of stupid american and british tourists that have been just as rude.

if you want to know why everyone considered france the most sophisticated and advanced culture in europe for a few hundred years, just go visit. us colonists here in the new world are dribbling morons culturally (just turn on fox tv) and the english still think the sun never sets on the empire they raped and pillaged. just like the french still can't get over the fact that they are not on top of the heap. something we will (or already are) experiencing here stateside.

face it, we are all cave men, willing to trade with other cave men unless we can steal from them and get away with it and have a primal need to feel superior to everyone else and fuck all the beautiful young girls we can.

now shall we get back to what we all agree on. the need to flee the women of our respective dumb

ass feminist cultures and visit more friendly climes for female companionship. examples of this in bangkok and jakarta can be seen in the attachments.


being french (i assume) then you already know the french can be douches for no apparent reason other than cultural.

the whole world can't be wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/world_tourism_rankings

i'm amazed. it is however the un, they are known for having numbers that don't quite add up.

LilJoey
03-23-11, 22:40
you can't be serious, can you? your post has the virtue of synthesizing info which were rep001tered, however. (and substantial reports are always welcome.)

at this point, i can't help adding my two cents regarding the "fair price" issue. one has to be specific regarding what is sought after, you just can't compare the rio and mamba rates as we are talking about completely different experiences, so claiming that strippers are not in line with the (so-called) market is, to some extent, meaningless.

advantages of a strip-club:

- what you see is what you get. obviously.

- the girls can move. nothing more frustrating than a stunner with no sense of rhythm, it's like a bugatti with no steering wheel.

- in venues like rio, if the girl comes with you, it means that she likes you enough. good for you if you fancy gfes.

as for mamba and the like, the main advantage is price, of course. rio girls will normally agree upon an overnight (or at least 3-4 hours) but you will have to pay the $300 upfront, whatever the duration of the meeting. quite annoying if you are after a quick fuck (or if you simply can't afford that). another advantage (as far as i can see) is that it is a pretty good place to look for threesomes, as many chicks have a "girlfriend". other than that, and leaving aside the bait and switch problem, you will need a good deal of luck to find a genuine gfe on dating / escort sites; basically, a girl who can fuck a dude without having met him once is everything but a "girlfriend": that's just not the spirit.

all we can say in terms of fair price is that:

- "standard" price for a mamba girl is around uah600 / hr;

- "standard" price for a hooker in a bar / club (avalon, etc.) is $200 / hr;

- "standard" price for a rio girl is $300/3-4hrs;

- etc.

but there is no comparing such "standards" with one another. different mongering styles.

not to mention the fact that such prices will vary depending on your tastes: a girl-next-door will cost less than a model.

my friend, you are dead wrong. dear insomniaque

i'm writing back more to inform newcomers, than yourself, since you have a lot of experience and know your way around, and there were many good posts in this thread dealing with one aspect or another, including yours. but none that laid it all out to my satisfaction in one place. so ok, maybe i went a little overboard in writing the thread is foundering.

you write at the end of your post that you believe i'm 'dead wrong' in thinking that the readers of this thread are not interested in spending $300 / hr on a supermodel in kiev? i'm not sure why you think that. factually, on this kiev thread, all the escort websites that ask prices of 150euro / hr or 200euro / hr have been uniformly dismissed as too expensive in light of the prices generally available with girls on mamba. ru or top-modals. com, many of whom are very hot girls and who are asking prices like 800 uah / hr (about $100 usd) or 600 uah / hr (about $75 usd) or even less. even gia-escort with a $180 / hr price tag is considered too expensive and deemed a last resort option for those who can't get reliable gfe service otherwise.

but if you would consider paying $300 / hr for a supermodel even in kiev, then for you there is an entire long list of escort websites that you can explore and perhaps report on that ask such higher rates. the photos are incredible looking. there was a post a while back on the separate 'kiev escorts' thread (jeankim 12-06-10 report) that listed many of these escort sites and noted their too-high prices. i would be very interested to hear reports about these sites if you try them.

i myself am a fairly flexible spender when it comes to this form of entertainment. but even i don't want to pay $300 / hr in kiev, now that i have found my haven at the rio strip club, where for a $100 / hr rate (albeit with a 3hr minimum) , i can hook up with very hottt girls whom i consider to be near enough to supermodel quality!

i only have thus far spent $300 / hr on supermodel types in places like london because that seemed to be the market rate there. not so in kiev. i will admit, however, that in the river palace days, although i tried to keep things to a maximum rate of $200/2hours, i did cave in to some really hot girls asking $300, but that was for 2 hours, for an effective net rate of $150 / hr. perhaps the real impediment for me is that i just didn't believe that the photos on all those high priced kiev escort sites were true. perhaps if i was confronted by an actual supermodel asking $300 / hr, i might cave in. but the girl would have to be pretty awesome to exceed by far what's on offer at rio strip club.

more importantly than the above, though, i would be interested to hear if other strip clubs in kiev allow take out, and at what prices. so far, as you mentioned in an earlier post, that knight has written that a good option might be at solid gold. but the price there was not as good as at rio. when the mandarin club reopens (sister club of rio) that should be a great venue. it was great once before when the club functioned on the river bank. but what of the other high end strip clubs in kiev? any info on them regarding take out and how the girls look / act?

additionally, i don't disagree with what you have written factually about prices. except to say that i think you have misunderstood my intent. i feel the differences in the mongering environment between chasing strippers at rio and ordering escorts from top-modals. com or from mamba. ru, are self-evident and obvious to the readers. my aim was to provide pricing information for all gfe options across the board – be it mamba. ru or top-modals. com or rio strip club – because i am looking for gfe experience in all of them.

gfe is the common denominator that unites them in kind and makes it possible to discuss prices as to all of them. in search of a usable definition, to me gfe includes at a minimum a girl who will let me touch and kiss her anywhere, provides owo, allows daty and enjoys it, does multiple positions and has a friendly and fun attitude.

i do not excuse the mamba. ru or top-modals. com girls from this gfe requirement, just because they are coming to do escort services with a guy they have never met, as you seem to imply. i regard a non-gfe experience that i have paid for as a bad experience and rip-off that i would rather forget. therefore, even with the top-modals. com escort girls or mamba. ru girls i seek a gfe and, as you know, it is possible.

so of course there are differences as to the mongering environment and variables as to the level of good looks or of level of service, and of course one would be willing to pay more for a supermodel stripper, than a girl next door escort, but these variables are not beyond the readers on this thread to understand, and to discuss the market prices being asked by all types of girls available in kiev is helpful, not meaningless.

another bit of advise that might help some. in these cases of a mamba. ru girl or escort girl from top-modals. com coming to your apartment to meet you, the initial minutes of the meeting (assuming her appearance is good enough for you to let her get in the door) are crucial both in terms of : (a) getting a feel for whether she is the type to provide a gfe experience or not, as well as, (be) for you yourself to begin laying the foundation for a gfe experience to occur by developing a repoir with the girl in the way you chat her up, or introduce humor and try to set a 'fun' atmosphere. i hope in these initial minutes to differentiate between those girls that go with the flow and give off a good vibe, from those girls that are stiff or bitchy and i imagine will start saying things like 'don't touch me here or there' and that kind of crap, from which point things can only go downhill.

it's a skill to predict a gfe based on a few minutes of conversation and observing body language, and many of us have bet wrong many times, especially when it's a real hottie. but those few initial minutes are all the time one has to find out what she does or doesn't do, and make the decision to keep her or send her away. once you have taken the plunge to keep her, there are some things that help a gfe continue to develop. i believe that beginning with a talented daty, can definitely break the ice between what is essentially two perfect strangers, the girl will 'get it' that you are into pleasing her, and hopefully she will reciprocate these positive feelings to you. of course, if the man behaves like a misogynistic brute, the result will be a quickie and she is out of there, or worse. another thing that really helps is if you don't give the money to her up front. some girls don't ask for money up front. these are more likely to provide gfe. if she asks for money up front, i always show the girl the money, even let her count it if she wants, so she doesn't worry about getting ripped off, which is what she's worried about, as it has happened to some girls. i try to convince her to accept the idea that she will collect the fee at the end of the agreed time, and that her money will stay there waiting for her on the night table until the end of the session. this provides a subtle psychological incentive for her to keep to the gfe session even if she gets into a tired or lazy mood in the middle.

but as i wrote before, my current first preference for girls in kiev is at the rio club, where they are vert hot and where i can take my time in finding what i hope will be a gfe supermodel experience. but because of cost limitations, i limit the number of girls i get from rio to one or two in a weekend, and get the rest of the girls from top-modals. com. i have been getting a lot of numbers from mamba. ru, but in the end it has turned out that ii didn't have time to contact them.

i will be in kiev again for weekend of april 14th, and hopefully will have a chance to try solid gold and some other strip clubs and see what's doing there.

liljoey

AZN Monger
03-23-11, 23:21
The 250uah girl paid you 250uah, right?

Shooters. Girls looking for rich foreign men? Am I missing something here? Irish Lad, any comments? Cruiser D, I respect your knowledge of things Eastern Europe. Have read your posts long before I was a member. Although here, I don't know why it's so unbelievable. 250 uah is not unheard of. I was actually in Kiev again last week, and we met up for the Nth time.

These girls are humans too, and with a little knowledge of Russian, some charm and thankfully my still relatively young age. After the 1st meeting they're very much willing to get less money to spend time with someone they like.

Lappgubbe
03-23-11, 23:26
I have been reading this board for some time and have benefitted from the advice given by those hearty explorers who have blazed a trail before me in the various countries I have visited so far in pursuit of 'the hobby'.

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But truly, where have all the River Palace girls gone to? Damn it. I will be in Kiev for two weekends again this April and May. Maybe someone will give us the real answer by then? Dammit, thats a really good report!

I will use you wisdom and visit Rio in May.

I have not been to a strip joint since I got ripped off at Cabaret about 7 years ago. I am ready to try Rio.

I like many others, I must send a warning to every new visitor to Kiev: Stay out of Cabaret!

And, may I add, I have tried several Gia girls. Some have been really good. But now they are overprized. I will stay away from Gia for a while, even if they are really reliable.

Me and You
03-24-11, 00:27
Here is my 2 cents about Kiev. I was there for about 12 days end of Febrauary begning of March. Weather was very cold and no sun until the last day when I was heading to the airport. Nice appartment (except broken the lift) with reasonable price on Shevshenko Boulvard 2 minutes to Kreshatik and Arena City and Billa Supermarket. (very central place). The agency offer aiport transport 50 $ for 2 ways (in that cold weather very useful and they take you right away to your appartment). I met about 20 girls : free. Semi pro and pro from mamba and one from Rio. I speak little Russian and that helps a lot. Even if you do not speak very good. Just go for it. Many of the girls I met speak english.

- FREE ONES. One from Skype and one from Bar Caribbean Club) and I missed one form Shooters because of her girl friend didn't want to go home alone (Elena agreed to come with me. I still have her number for next visit to Kiev). Dinners clubbing perfume. (I use these trick and it worked twice: I forgot your gift and my euors in my appartment and I want give you some euros for shopping and they agreed to come my appartment and we did it. Euros (or dollars) and Sushi gets any girls pussy get wet LOL).

2 SEMI PROS from mamba. They contacted me and not me. First one contacted (Ania a 9 brunette with great body and very GFE kissing bbj and cim and promised anal the next time. Unviersity student from donesk. In her profile no sex services and sponsorship. After talking a bit she says that she have matmatique problems if I can help (not mentioning money) I said sure I can help you if you help me. She said ok at what time. We agreed on 100 euros for 2-3 hours.). After 2 days she called me to see me again and while she is with me late night she told me that her friend (a great 9+ blondish tall girl with exotic beauty but por english). I said no problem. She came and we have good time chatting then I told Ania that I like to go with her friend and then we can go a 3 some she said ok. She will talk to her and her friend agreed (she is university student with her and her profile is normal even very serious. But hot GFE sex also with kising bbj and cim). After finishing with her I exhausted and sleeping and it was morning and they were waiting me. And they must go unviersity. So there was no time for the 3some for this time. But the 3 some didn't happened because Ania must go to Donesk for some family problems. But I saw her friend Nika one more time.

- One from Rio: tall blonde 9+. I invited her after her dance for a table dance (50 grivna 2 songs) just to talk while she sitting on me (we felt a chemistry. I asked her if she like to go out with me and how much she said 300 $. So I kept her name. And continued to see the show. I saw anotehr beauty a 10 I asked a table dance but she was not friendly and little cold not the the first one. So I asked the waiter to call Asol (the girl s name) so I gaved her the 300 $ and I waited 10-15 minutes until she is ready and the waiter told me that she is rady and waiting out. So up to the taxi to my appartment. It was around 4 because I went late but she stayed until 9. And I got her number and she told me that we can meet on the afternoons if I want but not same price but there was no chance for me. A very GFE sex but no CIM. Kissing bbj. Even we started just on the door after entering the appartment. Kissing and she went down on me while we are standing on th e entry. And we had a great night. And she told me that if tooked her at 12 or 1 or 3 she would stay until morning and not only 3 hours. I met one girl (very nymfo hot Lilou bbj cim anal 9) who has profile on mamba. She told me that she worked onm Solid GOld in Arena. And she invited me to see the show there but I did not go. She told me that in Solid Gold you pay 300 $ and the girl take just the half of it, just for2-3hours (I paid her 100 $ for about 2 hours. So RIO is better deal.).

- P4P: I had good deals and nice experiences from mamba. And 2 not very good experiences. Nice girls but cold. And some time wasting with agencies on Mamba Beit and switch. Although I insisted on not paying taxi is she is not the real girl in foto and don't loose your time and my time. I let them back without taxi faires. Just one I asked her to come in as she was very beautiful. Not the same on foto and poor english but pretty and very GFE sex.

- I didn't try other agencies or appartements.

Clubs:. (important note. Be generous and invite the girl or the group girls to drink and start from there. That happened with me in Shooters and Caribean and Aura. Then they will come to talk to you and even give you numbers. Normal or working girl. I am a normal guy and not that young. But I didn't beleive that.). Then you can suggest to go the Lounge like in shooters or to go to Shushi resturant Like the girl from Caribean. I told them it is more quite to talk and to know about you more better. And then the gifts and the euros for shooping in the appartment. (I gave 100 euros and one 150 euros. But it is nice feeling to have a non pro girl. Even you pay her.

- Arena: it was opened just the week end. The night I went it was full with very beautiful young girls. Because there was a casting for girls.

- DLux : I viisted once and it was like dead so I didn't stay long time.

- BUddha bar: I viisted once, too crowdy, full of girls working girls from x RP (I met some girls some girls I know from RP. I did not like the ambience and expensive girls (the working girls stands ussually near the Bar if they are not busy with men on the lounges). So I left.

- Shooters: a very nice place. I was there 3 times. Almost scored everytimes but I got many numbers there and 2 working girls gave me their numbers as I was busy with other girls and they called me the next day but I was busy. I scored one freebie there. And I missed one because of her friend. And something funny happened. I invited a young girl for a drink. Then she started to junp on me and kissing me. And the later she apologized because she can't come with me because she have period. I said no problem. In fact I didn't ask her for sex. She tought that she must come with me because I bought her a drink. So I was thinking it is more easy than I thought. But I forgot to take her number to meet after the period.

- Aura: at the end of Kreshatik form Buddha bar area (End or beginning of Kreshatik I don't know) I visited once- a 300 grivna entry- very beutiful girls but it was very crowdy. There is chance to score but you need time I went there late. I got one number.

- Caribbean: I visited once. And I like the atmosphere. Latin Music and dance. Not too much crowded. I sitted near the bar. I saw 2 prety girls so invited them to a drink and they agreed but they cold at the beginning. But no problem. The perfect 10 blonde have right to be cold because everybody was looking at her. I tried with the other one dancing while I am on the bar. Then we things were getting better. Then I went to dance with the petite 8 girl while the other did not want to talk or dance. Then I told them why you don't sit on the tables here it is more comfortable. They didn't what. So I went and sit alone. Then they asked another drinks and I said ok. Then the petite girl came and sit with me on table. And we talked a little but I wanted the other one. By they way both speaks english but the blonde one speaks perfecet english with nice accent. She is a clever classy girl. Then after a while the blonde came and sit on the table and we started talking. Then Nika the unversity semi pro texted me where are you. I said I am in Caribbean. Come here if you want (we talked before when I met her the 2 time that she would liketo go to karoeke with me). I said now I am in Cariibbea. And while I was texting her. They asked me are you busy tonight with your mobile. I said I am waiting an answer from a girl friend to come here and I hope that she wouldn't come (I wanted to play and to make them to feel jealous) and finally she answerd me that now is too late and she can't come. And I was lillte releifed. So I told them she is not coming. What you suggest as Caribbean is clsoing after a while. They answered if you like we go with you to karoeke and we like Sushi. I said ok and we went to MOtif near Budda bar on Kreshatik and we stayed about 2 hours (as it closed at 6 morning). So we eat Sushi. And they sing a bit in their language. And I was siting between them. So the petite told me I know that you like my friend. Said yes I like her. Then she went singing and we start chating me with Angelica the blonde. And the things wented very good. The petite one found a young guy. She went with him while Angelica went with me and I was very lucky and happy. SHE IS WOOOW.

Guys, I hope that I was not boring or long or detailed and I hope that these 2 cents would help somebody of you. And you can see the photos in the Gallery and I will post more fotos from this visit and the visit before to Kiev. Good luck to all.

HunterDave
03-24-11, 02:48
Well, that's really strange for people working in the tourism business to make such a BS statement. Maybe they'd better actualize their knowledge. According the UNWTO (World Tourism Organization) , there was some 79 millions inbound tourists arrivals in France vs some 51 millions in USA in 2007 (can't find more recent statistics, but I seriously doubt that it has changed that much).

http://www.unwto.org/facts/eng/pdf/barometer/unwto_barom07_2_en.pdf

This kind of statements don't amaze me coming from the Brits (funny how so many of them come to live in France for their retirement by the way) , and I don't doubt this is also a MOTTO among retarded inbred American peckerwoods.Pierre,

Americans may be arrogant, but many of the French are just as bad if not more 'full' of themselves! As for your comment about retarded inbred American peckerwoods, I have to speak up. I do not remember any Frenchmen at least twice in the last 100 years not 'bitching' about we 'retards' when they were having their asses handed to them on the battlefield and help was needed.

This is a note I got from a good buddy.

"You could have heard a pin drop"

At a time when US politicians, wanting to be politically correct, tend to apologize for America's prior actions, here's a refresher on how some US patriots handled negative comments about America.

JFK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when George DeGaulle decided to pull out of NATO. DeGaulle said he wanted all US military out of France as soon as possible.

Rusk responded,"Does that include those who are buried here?" DeGaulle did not respond.

You could have heard a pin drop.

When in England, at a fairly large conference, GEN Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of 'empire building' by George Bush.

He answered by saying,"Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return."

You could have heard a pin drop.

There was a conference in France where a number of international engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a break, one of the French engineers came back into the room saying,"Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intend to do, bomb them?"

One of the Americans present stood up and replied quietly: "Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed 3, 000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and from their flight deck. We have eleven such ships; how many does France have?"

You could have heard a pin drop.

A USA Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included Admirals from the USA, English, Canadian, Australian and French Navies At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that, whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English. He then asked,"Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than speaking French?"

Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied,"Maybe it's because the Brit's, Canadians, Aussie's and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German."

You could have heard a pin drop.

AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE.

Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on."You have been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked sarcastically.

Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously."Then you should know enough to have your passport ready."

The American said,"The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it." "Impossible. Americans always have to show their passports on arrival in France!"

The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly explained, 'Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in 1944 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to."

You could have heard a pin drop.

Now let's get back to what this site is all about, hunting fine young Dyevs who want to meet and enjoy our company! Time to get back to being a fully functioning man-working girl; to that sexually compulsive mongerer with narcissistic tendencies! Spring is here and time to help a few hotties to shed that winter clothing!

Time for makin' bacon!

Hunter Dave

Mystery77
03-24-11, 03:06
Now shall we get back to what we all agree on. The need to flee the women of our respective dumb

Ass feminist cultures and visit more friendly climes for female companionship. Examples of this in Bangkok and Jakarta can be seen in the attachments. [/QUOTE]Agreed! I'm very impressed with the ways of women here in Kiev.

This is the kind of stuff you see of British or American women in movies, however whats on the show does not really represent the real world situation.

In Kiev this movie image in mind is more accurate I believe. Some good women around.

If I could of come here a couple years back I would of been saved a world of shit getting involved with a Romanian dancer some years back! I went to Amsterdam met an exotic dancer. Who is a destroyer of men. One of those bi*ches that emotionally manipulate & destroy. What a waste of love & time.

Lessons learn't.

Ronin500
03-24-11, 05:28
<snip . Now shall we get back to what we all agree on. The need to flee the women of our respective dumb

Ass feminist cultures and visit more friendly climes for female companionship. Examples of this in Bangkok and Jakarta can be seen in the attachments. Mate, you sure about any of those girls, BKK and Jakarta? Maybe, but at one you posted 2x, once labeled as Ukraine, and once as Thai.

Cruiser D
03-24-11, 08:17
Pro's and dancers aren't exactly the best girls to get involved with. So when it goes bad it is the expected result.

Fire burns, you don't have to stick your hand in the fire to find out.


If I could of come here a couple years back I would of been saved a world of shit getting involved with a Romanian dancer some years back! I went to Amsterdam met an exotic dancer. Who is a destroyer of men. One of those bi*ches that emotionally manipulate & destroy. What a waste of love & time.

Lessons learn't.

Cruiser D
03-24-11, 08:27
You paint a very rosey picture of Kyiv.

I went to Solid Gold last night.

150uah entry fee. Moderately priced drinks. But menu for interacting with the girls starts at 200uah. 200uah for one song lap dance. To buy a girl a drink was 250uah. There wasn't a dog in the place but no real stunners either. The stunners are probably at the Rhino across the court yard.

I probablty won't go back unless I am extremely bored or drunk after a night of clubbing. Both are very rare. .

Might go to Rio if I have time. Haven't been there in about three years.


- One from Rio: tall blonde 9+. I invited her after her dance for a table dance (50 grivna 2 songs) just to talk while she sitting on me (we felt a chemistry. I asked her if she like to go out with me and how much she said 300 $. So I kept her name. And continued to see the show. I saw anotehr beauty a 10 I asked a table dance but she was not friendly and little cold not the the first one. So I asked the waiter to call Asol (the girl s name) so I gaved her the 300 $ and I waited 10-15 minutes until she is ready and the waiter told me that she is rady and waiting out. So up to the taxi to my appartment. It was around 4 because I went late but she stayed until 9. And I got her number and she told me that we can meet on the afternoons if I want but not same price but there was no chance for me. A very GFE sex but no CIM. Kissing bbj. Even we started just on the door after entering the appartment. Kissing and she went down on me while we are standing on th e entry. And we had a great night. And she told me that if tooked her at 12 or 1 or 3 she would stay until morning and not only 3 hours. I met one girl (very nymfo hot Lilou bbj cim anal 9) who has profile on mamba. She told me that she worked onm Solid GOld in Arena. And she invited me to see the show there but I did not go. She told me that in Solid Gold you pay 300 $ and the girl take just the half of it, just for2-3hours (I paid her 100 $ for about 2 hours. So RIO is better deal.).

Debauchee
03-24-11, 11:44
Liljoey Wrote: Traveling alone, one would do best to minimize the hanging out on the seedier streets of Kiev, especially if you're a non-Russian speaking tourist. You're just inviting trouble. You can get girls off of mamba. Ru website or top-modals. Com for 400 UAH or 600 UAH. That's $50 or $75 USD for an hour for full service. And these are relatively good looking young girls, not crack ho'es off the streets. Why do you write that the prices in Kiev do not compare favorably to US and Canada prices. Is $50 or $75 really too much for you to pay for a nice looking girl? Or is it that you like the excitement of the risk of doing the deed on the street in an alley or in a car where you can get nabbed by the police. You're taking unecessary risks IMO.

I find it unpalatable to go to the trouble and expense of traveling half way around the world (I'm on the west coast of the US) , and then having to find a way to get on the Internet to arrange meetings with call girls who may not look as hot or friendly in real life as their pictures portray them. And yeah, even $50/75 US an hour strikes me as excessive given the huge difference in GDP between the two countries (my income is considered well below the median in the US, but in Ukraine I'd be above average according to Wikipedia). There are also elements of sleaziness, risk, and unstructured in-your-face blatancy about street prostitution that I find appealing. The downsides include making yourself more vulnerable to police harassment, confrontations with male ruffians who may be associated with the streetwalkers, and encountering more females under the age of consent (I'm aware it's 16 in Ukraine). But most of these problems can be mitigated with common sense precautions such as not going to the girl's place (or having sex in public) , and asking to see identification to confirm age.

Hotman 666: Thank you for the tip about Khreschatyk St. I'm thinking about making my first visit to Ukraine in September: I figure I'll stay the whole month and avoid the summer tourist season and potentially hot weather in August, and the women won't be as bundled up with coats as in October. I'm also studying Russian and Ukrainian, so I'm not completely clueless about the language. If the street scene in Kiev isn't satisfying, I may check out other cities like Odesa and Dnipropetrovsk. If the cops in Ukraine hassle me too much, I might head to Moldova or Romania.

Vogel09
03-24-11, 11:53
Dear fellow monger friends,

Will be visiting Kiev in a couple weeks time; any good suggestion for apartment rental services? Would like to stay 4-5 days, and able to invite a girl over. Looking for price range USD 70. 100 per night. Should suffice, right?

Thanks for your input,

Vogel

Prosal
03-24-11, 13:07
Who gives a Rat's Ass which country / city is visited most. Just glad it is not Kiev!You're attempting humour here. Kiev is a mass sex-tourism mecca.

And some people DO give a rat's ass about general knowledge, whether you like it or not, Bubba.

Eros74
03-24-11, 13:36
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If I could of come here a couple years back I would of been saved a world of shit getting involved with a Romanian dancer some years back! I went to Amsterdam met an exotic dancer. Who is a destroyer of men. One of those bi*ches that emotionally manipulate & destroy. What a waste of love & time.

Lessons learn't. It happens all the time in the nature, big fish eats smaller fish.

Emotional weak men should stay away from prostitutes, that in my opinion are not bi*ches at all, they just try to get as much money they can from you and indeed they can do that ONLY if you allow them to do it believing to all their bs about she needs money for her grandmother sick or about how much she loves you.

As Cruiser D very right said, if you still need to stick your hands in the fire to find out it burns, so are you then to complain to fire for the fact it hurted you?

You should thank her, she helped you to become wiser otherwise you could still believe fire doesn't hurt at all, cause all the money, time and energy you gave her, it was just your own decision, cause I am not going to to believe she put a gun to your head to convinve you to do what you did.

I hope lesson learnt.

Insomniaque
03-24-11, 14:07
Who are the photo of? Girls you boned? Or girls you can across on the internet?The brunette was a stripper in Prague, who also worked as an independent escort in Paris where I met her. As far as I know she is no longer in activity. Oh and, for those who doubted it, the tits are 100% natural.)

I met the blond one in Paris, too. Not long ago, so she might still work. Amusingly, her agency's name is "Ukrainian VIP models" (or something like that) , whereas this hottie is from St Petersburg. This is the best picture I could find of her, and yet it is far from the truth. Probably the most impossible body I have seen in my monger career. Would almost make you believe in God. .

This gives a good idea of what the French market is like: either stunning (and costly) escorts from the East, or low-low-LOW-end "things". No in-between.

The funny thing is that the French high-end escorts (there are some of course, but even more expensive than their Russian counterparts) are really pissed because of all those bloody Eastern agencies invading "their" market. The way they see it, offering services at €250 / hr is dumping.


You write at the end of your post that you believe I'm 'dead wrong' in thinking that the readers of this thread are not interested in spending $300 / hr on a supermodel in Kiev? I'm not sure why you think that. Factually, on this Kiev thread, all the escort websites that ask prices of 150euro / hr or 200euro / hr have been uniformly dismissed as too expensive in light of the prices generally available with girls on mamba. Ru or top-modals. Com, many of whom are very hot girls and who are asking prices like 800 UAH / hr (about $100 USD) or 600 UAH / hr (about $75 USD) or even less. Even gia-escort with a $180 / hr price tag is considered too expensive and deemed a last resort option for those who can't get reliable GFE service otherwise.I was just speaking for myself, you know. If you have read some of my reviews, you know that I am prepared to pay (when I think it is really worth it). Although I can't afford to spend $300 each time.


But if you would consider paying $300 / hr for a supermodel even in Kiev, then for you there is an entire long list of escort websites that you can explore and perhaps report on that ask such higher rates. The photos are incredible looking. There was a post a while back on the separate 'Kiev Escorts' thread (Jeankim 12-06-10 report) that listed many of these escort sites and noted their too-high prices. I would be very interested to hear reports about these sites if you try them.From my perspective, escorts are more of a last resort. I use their services when there is no other sensible option (cf. Paris). Never ever has it occured to me to order one in a city like Kiev! When I claim that I am ready to spend $300 on a girl, I am talking about the Rio, which IMO is a FAR better option than any website. I think we both agree on that.


More importantly than the above, though, I would be interested to hear if other strip clubs in Kiev allow take out, and at what prices. So far, as you mentioned in an earlier post, that Knight has written that a good option might be at Solid Gold. But the price there was not as good as at Rio. When the Mandarin club reopens (sister club of Rio) that should be a great venue. It was great once before when the club functioned on the river bank. But what of the other high end strip clubs in Kiev? Any info on them regarding take out and how the girls look / act?The only other strip-club worth mentioning that comes to mind is (or was?) the Marylin, at the beginning of Chervonoarmiska st. (same street as the Mint Rhino, BTW). I went there once. More expensive than the Rio, if I remember correctly, and fewer girls. BUT the girls were pretty good-looking (from 7' to 9' in my own scale) and danced really well (REAL lap-dance, if you see what I mean). And were REALLY hot, even during public dances (which were a real show and always ended naked, contrary to Rio where you get nothing but a topless). I didn't stay long as I lacked flash money at the time, but when I returned a couple of months later, it was closed. Temporarily of forever? I don't know. Not sure either that take-out was indeed possible. But it would be really worth checking out, seeing if it's still open and what exactly you can do with the girls. I don't think I will be able to check it out myself, since when I am in Kiev, I mostly go on the prowl with clients who, much to my displeasure, do not enjoy strip-clubs very much.


My aim was to provide pricing information for all GFE options across the board – be it mamba. Ru or top-modals. Com or Rio strip club – because I am looking for GFE experience in all of them.

GFE is the common denominator that unites them in kind and makes it possible to discuss prices as to all of them. In search of a usable definition, to me GFE includes at a minimum a girl who will let me touch and kiss her anywhere, provides OWO, allows DATY and enjoys it, does multiple positions and has a friendly and fun attitude.

I do not excuse the mamba. Ru or top-modals. Com girls from this GFE requirement, just because they are coming to do escort services with a guy they have never met, as you seem to imply. I regard a non-GFE experience that I have paid for as a bad experience and rip-off that I would rather forget. Therefore, even with the top-modals. Com escort girls or mamba. Ru girls I seek a GFE and, as you know, it is possible. This is where we disagree, apparently. I still hold it for impossible (unless, as I said, you are very lucky) to get what I call a "genuine" GFE if you rely on websites. I think my "minimum" (what it takes to be a true "girlfriend") is more demanding than yours. There is no proper GFE unless "something" happens between the girl & you. Call it "feeling","alchemy", whatever. You can have all the "services" expected from a GFE (DATY, DFK, etc.) , it still won't make a GFE if alchemy is missing.

This is why websites are a risky option, as you cannot tell, until the girl is here, whether there is this "little something more", or not. And this is why, on the contrary, I enjoy places like Rio so much. First, I will rely on eye-contact, smiles etc, if nothing is happening at this stage there is no point going further. Then, the way the girl dances will give me an idea ref. Her sexual abilities. Then I can take a private dance, get an even clearer idea, and decide from there. I already denied offers at this point, simply because the private dance wasn't good enough, and despite the girl was stunning and seemed to like me.

Had I the money (and the time) , I would simply not use Mamba.

Prosal
03-24-11, 16:07
I met the blond one in Paris, too.She was an Ukrainian tourist strolling Avenue de l'Opera. Met yesterday evening, boned yesterday night. (smilie)

Barely 19yo. A bit skanky by FSU standarts, but still very fuckable.

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Eros74
03-24-11, 16:10
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The funny thing is that the French high-end escorts (there are some of course, but even more expensive than their Russian counterparts) are really pissed because of all those bloody Eastern agencies invading "their" market. The way they see it, offering services at €250 / hr is dumping. Hi Insomniaque, I am just curious, let me ask you, how then are the rates of high end escorts in Paris?

Cruiser D
03-24-11, 16:25
Marylin's is indeed closed for good.

I went there once or twice a few (couple) years ago. Didn't think much of the place preferred Rio.

Have a 20 year old studentinka coming over in about 60 minutes. 600uah – she asked if I wanted her to stay the night, I just replied, whatever. It's the rare pro or semi pro I want staying for over an hour – 2 max. It just takes time from the other girls. Her initial quote for a night was 3000uah. Guess she's either horny or curious (we have been chatting on mamba for about 6 months).

I have a tentative coffee date at umm, now. But she was one of those – oh Arena, that place is so horrible.

Had a taxi scammer angling for a 1800 date (mind if I bring my sister? Huh, what?). She didn't know what the price of the taxi was from Darnista but I told her it was around 50uah each way. She was like, oh no, it's much more expensive. I said sure, maybe 60uah. Take the metro, it's 2uah.

A marriage website date at 2030, yawn.

D'Lux around 0000.

And Sveta around 0200-0300 (or is that considered tomorrow). Sveta oddly enough started the day at 0800 too. I know – twice in the same 24hrs but I like the way she does my laundry and irons my clothes in her 6" stiletto heels. Dry cleaning in Kyiv can be pricey.

LilJoey
03-24-11, 16:40
This is where we disagree, apparently. I still hold it for impossible (unless, as I said, you are very lucky) to get what I call a "genuine" GFE if you rely on websites. I think my "minimum" (what it takes to be a true "girlfriend") is more demanding than yours. There is no proper GFE unless "something" happens between the girl & you. Call it "feeling","alchemy", whatever. You can have all the "services" expected from a GFE (DATY, DFK, etc.) , it still won't make a GFE if alchemy is missing.

This is why websites are a risky option, as you cannot tell, until the girl is here, whether there is this "little something more", or not. And this is why, on the contrary, I enjoy places like Rio so much. First, I will rely on eye-contact, smiles etc, if nothing is happening at this stage there is no point going further. Then, the way the girl dances will give me an idea ref. Her sexual abilities. Then I can take a private dance, get an even clearer idea, and decide from there. I already denied offers at this point, simply because the private dance wasn't good enough, and despite the girl was stunning and seemed to like me.

Had I the money (and the time) , I would simply not use Mamba. Insomniaque, I think we're probably not so far apart on this. Perhaps what you are calling "alchemy" or "this little something more", is what I was referring to when I described the girl's "friendly and fun attitude", because for me too it wouldn't be GFE if she delivered merely "the 'services' expected from a GFE (DATY, DFK, etc.)", like an automaton without feeling. The key here is that the girl conveys by her behavior that she genuinely likes you and enjoys being with you. Now this is quite possible even for a 'working girl' too. But it almost always stems from your own efforts at being nice to the girl. I follow the principle that with most normal people. Nice begets nice. If you are nice, good looking and have good bedroom skills, you may truly rock her world, so of course she will like you. She'd have to be a stone not to. Unfortunately, in a working girl's line of work, she meets many really dreary guys who are takers, not givers, or worse, are abusive to her, and so she has her guard way up. But sometimes your own good vibes and niceness towards the girl, can reach through that and touch a responding chord in her. That's not to say, she doesn't have her eye on the ball insofar as business is concerned, so she will still want to collect her fees, but that doesn't take away from the fact that she genuinely likes and enjoys you. However, when a working girl starts staying extra time with you "not on the clock" so to speak, or giving you freebies. That is when you know that she really digs you on a real girlfriend level, which is a whole other level of GFE.

So yes there is a certain degree of luck involved in having a GFE with a girl from top-modals. Com, or other escort agency, in that not every girl will respond to your efforts at niceness, and the more jaded and cynical they get in their line of work, the harder it is to reach them as human beings. But without your own input of niceness toward the girl, you are truly doomed in the search for GFE. Conversely, the better you are at giving good vibes and getting thru to the girl that you want to be very nice with her, the higher the chances you will reach her and she will reciprocate those feelings and presto. There is alchemy.

The two girls that I met through top-modals. Com last year in 2010, Natasha and Stesha, both turned out to be GFE's, but I attribute this in large part to my own efforts towards them. So do not give up hope entirely on getting GFE from an escort agency, in particular from top-modals. Com where in many instances the "real photos" are accurate. By the way, both of these girls also advertise with accurate pictures on mamba. Ru. As do many of the escorts on top-modals. Com amd other escort websites. Mamba. Ru is not simply filled with non-pro girls who are more likely GFE's. So no one should delude themselves into thinking that on mamba. Ru they are not dealing with "escorts" or escort agencies, as they most definitely are, although there may also be some non-pro girls mixed in there.

LilJoey
03-24-11, 16:53
Hi Insomniaque, I am just curious, let me ask you, how then are the rates of high end escorts in Paris?Lukasek. Check out this link. It should get you started.

http://www.6annonce.com/escorts/city_fr_paris

AColonizer
03-24-11, 19:25
Ok, Lukasek, you are right, but unfortunately life, the real life, is not less cynical than hardcore prostitutes. There are a lot of considerations to think about.

In the story you quoted, the protagonist is a Romanian, and you know how Romanians are (that means shit).

You are Italian, and you should know 80% Italian relationships between husbands and wives are a specific form of "do ut des", that means marriage is not love but it is an agreement to get children and mutual elder assistance. A lot of Catholic marriages are formally monogamous but they are in reality "open" about sex (Italian motto: wife is for children, the rest of women are for sex)

At the end, wives and prostitutes are female with the same biological behaviour: if you are good at wives, that means you are good at prostitutes too. I see husbands and divorceds, who get as much as they want by prostitutes (things we shall never see in porn movies). You are right, never love a prostitute but the same rule is also for a wife because both of them become fierce when they feel their man has a weak point.

I knew two young hardcore prostitutes, here in Venice, and I have material evidences they "love" their pimps (their exploiters) , even themselves said to me "I can't love a good man, he is not for me". And one of them can speak five languages (therefore she is not stupid) but also she is ready to receive multiple fistings and dildos into her pussy and / or asshole for 100 euros / hour. I admire her because she is smarter of most people but also I am digusted for her masochism performance that no sane woman should do. I mean, it is possible to "love" a prostitute and to get everything by her only if you are a sadistic bastard (like pimps and a lot of customers) , otherwise you will burn.

I often smile when somebody talks about "a gentleman" or "we must be gentlemen". A real gentleman fucks very few and women never remember who was a real gentlemen. Instead you should see how pimps are in social relations: they are smiling, calm, good communicators, in other words, they are "good guys" or "gentlemen" that every mother or daughter would have. Therefore we are going back at the beginning: there is often little difference among prostitutes, wives, mothers and daughters because all of them are female with the same biological behaviour.


It happens all the time in the nature, big fish eats smaller fish.

Emotional weak men should stay away from prostitutes, that in my opinion are not bi*ches at all, they just try to get as much money they can from you and indeed they can do that ONLY if you allow them to do it believing to all their bs about she needs money for her grandmother sick or about how much she loves you.

As Cruiser D very right said, if you still need to stick your hands in the fire to find out it burns, so are you then to complain to fire for the fact it hurted you?

You should thank her, she helped you to become wiser otherwise you could still believe fire doesn't hurt at all, cause all the money, time and energy you gave her, it was just your own decision, cause I am not going to to believe she put a gun to your head to convinve you to do what you did.

I hope lesson learnt.

TuDueno
03-24-11, 21:24
Well, I like not only your photos but also your approach. Although my hunting ground isn`t Eastern Europe but Colombia. .


Ah. Ah. Mistery Tramp.

You can ask may here.

At least 30 seniors drilled her the outstanding BBBJ + CIM in Kiev.

Some pics taken in the previous years to present her as far as I know no longer in activity.

Bimbo Boy
03-24-11, 23:02
[QUOTE=Debauchee; 1137172]Liljoey Wrote: Traveling alone, one would do best to minimize the hanging out on the seedier streets of Kiev, especially if you're a non-Russian speaking tourist. You're just inviting trouble. You can get girls off of mamba. Ru website or top-modals. Com for 400 UAH or 600 UAH. That's $50 or $75 USD for an hour for full service. And these are relatively good looking young girls, not crack ho'es off the streets. Why do you write that the prices in Kiev do not compare favorably to US and Canada prices. Is $50 or $75 really too much for you to pay for a nice looking girl? Or is it that you like the excitement of the risk of doing the deed on the street in an alley or in a car where you can get nabbed by the police. You're taking unecessary risks IMO.

Hello,

I have experience both in Kiev and in Rio de Janeiro. I confess that I feel much safer in Kiev than in Rio, and bear in mind that I speak fkuent Portuguese and no Russian.

In Rio de Janeiro, it's the poor who are dangerous. And they are many. In Kiev, it's the rich guys, if you step on their toes. And they aren't so many.

What's your feedback about safety in Kiev guys?

Regards.

Insomniaque
03-24-11, 23:46
Hi Insomniaque, I am just curious, let me ask you, how then are the rates of high end escorts in Paris?Native French escorts will start at €300. Nothing fuckable below that level, as far as I am concerned.

Regarding the link Liljoey provides below, I can also suggest this site which is the one I use and which is more reliable than many:

www.escortguide.tv


The key here is that the girl conveys by her behavior that she genuinely likes you and enjoys being with you.Yet this is not enough, from my perspective. I will try and make myself clearer. Let's take the case of the DFK: not 2 DFK are alike, and as matter of fact there can be a gap between one and another. Now when you kiss a girl and just feel like yelling "Fuck me, THIS is how I like it!", then you have found your girl. I had sex with girls who liked me (and of course I also had sex with girls who didn't like me at all but that's just not the point here) BUT I didn't like the way they kissed, for instance, or the way they blew, or moved, or screamed, etc.

So yes, from this perspective it takes more than niceness and good will, so to speak, although I fully agree on what you say which is of course necessary.

What I have in mind here is something which I believe to be very rare, and actually it truly happened to me only once. With a Rio girl! And I knew, only by the way she moved on stage, that she was made for me. Do you see what I mean? This is what a website will never give you: a sample of what the girl can do, and HOW she does it.

But yes, in the principle I think we share the same views. .

HunterDave
03-25-11, 01:29
You're attempting humour here. Kiev is a mass sex-tourism mecca.

And some people DO give a rat's ass about general knowledge, whether you like it or not, Bubba. P,

My point to you and others is keep your French and US city trivia BS on the France and US threads. If I wanted to know blah, blah, blah, I would go to the trivia BS book which it appears some of you clearly enjoy, but this is the Kiev thread where we attempt to impart some knowledge or in some cases a mongerers lack their of, of how to get laid in Kiev. Keep the crap off this thread. How about some general knowledge about Kiev which is the title of this thread! Let's talk about mongering in Kiev here!

Hunter Dave, or aka Bubba according to Pierre

Gergiev
03-25-11, 04:25
Where have the River Palace girls gone?

The rumour on the street is that the Boat will eventually float back (once the local authorities find a payment arrangement they like). That's my hunch as well.

After all this is Oo-Kray-Ee-Na.

Even Yanukovich and his gang are back in the Mariinsky Dvorets.

Not many would have forecast that in 2004.

VG.

Gergiev
03-25-11, 04:29
"You could have heard a pin drop"Quality post, Dave.

Thanks for sharing.

VG.

Mystery77
03-25-11, 06:49
It happens all the time in the nature, big fish eats smaller fish.

Emotional weak men should stay away from prostitutes, that in my opinion are not bi*ches at all, they just try to get as much money they can from you and indeed they can do that ONLY if you allow them to do it believing to all their bs about she needs money for her grandmother sick or about how much she loves you.

As Cruiser D very right said, if you still need to stick your hands in the fire to find out it burns, so are you then to complain to fire for the fact it hurted you?

You should thank her, she helped you to become wiser otherwise you could still believe fire doesn't hurt at all, cause all the money, time and energy you gave her, it was just your own decision, cause I am not going to to believe she put a gun to your head to convinve you to do what you did.

I hope lesson learnt. Thats a cute post. At the time I never would have believe the bi*tche to be such a fucker (& it is a ***** unquestionable) & I was'nt paying to fuck I was building a relation then. I have no problem with hookers at all. Its a fair trade as far as I'm concerned, very honest. Sexual or such stimulation for currency or gifts. However for me personally a working girl, is a different kind person. My idea of the word working girl is different to the commonly translated word that is accepted. & if you were thinking of me as emotionally weak you are extremely mistaken pal. Physically & mentally not many people will in my world will try take me for ride. The thing of course is the story has not been shared, just a statement. A statement that found a comment. No harm no foul, entertaining actually.

Their are certain types of people that infect & destroy people from with. I seen some things when I was in Spain how another exotic dancer was working this america over the phone her supposed lover. Getting him really emotionally invested,"you said you'd never let me down, or never hurt me." This man is screaming on the phone. Dancer hangs up smiles & we back playing cards. Thing is you learn the ways in life, strategies of working people. Positve & negative, negotiate or take. Consequence or reward. I enclosed a pic of the poor bastard. Who fronted her trip for 2 months in Spain, flight everything not realising.

These are real professionals not little american girls jumping around in stripbars, or cute Ukrainians trying to pull some extra cash.

Mystery77
03-25-11, 06:51
The word wh*re changed to working girl. Not to get confused.

Cruiser D
03-25-11, 07:22
I did.

Yushchenko, Tymoshenko and Yanukovych are all the same. Criminals. Does it make a difference to Ukraine as to what criminal is in power?

Yushchenko and his family became billionaires while he was in power. Yanukovych is a puppet for the East Mafia, err businessmen. Tymoshenko was already a billionaire from her gas swindles.

I'm a little surprise Kumcha got charge for murder but I guess that whats happens when you are out of power (and stupid).


Not many would have forecast that in 2004.

VG.

Jojosun
03-25-11, 14:16
Pierre,

Americans may be arrogant, but many of the French are just as bad if not more 'full' of themselves! As for your comment about retarded inbred American peckerwoods, I have to speak up. I do not remember any Frenchmen at least twice in the last 100 years not 'bitching' about we 'retards' when they were having their asses handed to them on the battlefield and help was needed.

This is a note I got from a good buddy.

"You could have heard a pin drop"

At a time when US politicians, wanting to be politically correct, tend to apologize for America's prior actions, here's a refresher on how some US patriots handled negative comments about America.

JFK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when George DeGaulle decided to pull out of NATO. DeGaulle said he wanted all US military out of France as soon as possible.

Rusk responded,"Does that include those who are buried here?" DeGaulle did not respond.

You could have heard a pin drop.

When in England, at a fairly large conference, GEN Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of 'empire building' by George Bush.

He answered by saying,"Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return."

You could have heard a pin drop.

There was a conference in France where a number of international engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a break, one of the French engineers came back into the room saying,"Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intend to do, bomb them?"

One of the Americans present stood up and replied quietly: "Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed 3, 000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and from their flight deck. We have eleven such ships; how many does France have?"

You could have heard a pin drop.

A USA Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included Admirals from the USA, English, Canadian, Australian and French Navies At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that, whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English. He then asked,"Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than speaking French?"

Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied,"Maybe it's because the Brit's, Canadians, Aussie's and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German."

You could have heard a pin drop.

AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE.

Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on."You have been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked sarcastically.

Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously."Then you should know enough to have your passport ready."

The American said,"The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it." "Impossible. Americans always have to show their passports on arrival in France!"

The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly explained, 'Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in 1944 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to."

You could have heard a pin drop.

Now let's get back to what this site is all about, hunting fine young Dyevs who want to meet and enjoy our company! Time to get back to being a fully functioning man-working girl; to that sexually compulsive mongerer with narcissistic tendencies! Spring is here and time to help a few hotties to shed that winter clothing!

Time for makin' bacon!

Hunter DaveReally enjoyed reading your post.

Very informative&entertaining, as always

On the subject of our Invasion of Iraq, I think Alan Greenspan (TreasurySectretary during George Bush term) was more forthcoming on the real reasons for going there, when he said, it was for the Oil.

It was so predictable and obvious, no one took much notice.

A lot of friends and ex work colleagues have done very well out of our invasion of Iraq, and some are spending their extra easily earned cash in Kiev.

Hunter's chat up lines must be as good as his posts.

Hence, his success with the girls there.

I mean there is nothing more boring even for hard pros, than Boring Old Farts.

Jojosun
03-25-11, 15:12
Alan Greenspan which I posted on, was chairman of the federal Reserve Board.

Vogel09
03-25-11, 15:14
Dear all,

As you have probably read in this thread, spoiling myself to a couple of days in Kiev. Read in this forum that there are plenty of nice massage parlors to visit. Was just wondering (since the last posts have been quite some time ago) whether some of you have had recent experiences in these parlors, and which one would you recommend?

Thanks all!

Vogel

Cruiser D
03-25-11, 19:17
He was chairman of the Fed since RR.

Alan Greenspan's forte had more to do with the economic meltdown of the last few years.

Iraq wasn't so much about oil as it was about price fixing in the energy market and war profiteering.


Alan Greenspan which I posted on, was chairman of the federal Reserve Board.

Prosal
03-25-11, 20:10
Clearly missing the point!I think you're a bit late, Bubba.

Freedom Fries are so 2003.

Prosal
03-25-11, 20:52
Hello,

I have experience both in Kiev and in Rio de Janeiro. I confess that I feel much safer in Kiev than in Rio, and bear in mind that I speak fkuent Portuguese and no Russian.

In Rio de Janeiro, it's the poor who are dangerous. And they are many. In Kiev, it's the rich guys, if you step on their toes. And they aren't so many.

What's your feedback about safety in Kiev guys?

RegardsNo specific violence problems in FSU. Just avoid the gopniki. Nonetheless, N°1 rule is to never hit the wrong girl in a club. Local thugs HATE when foreigners try to steal their "prime" women. This old cliché drives them nuts. Check, double-check and triple-check if the single hot dyev you've targetted dancing alone on the dance floor is REALLY single.

There's in those countries people with whom you REALLY don't want any trouble.

Same in Brasil BTW. I've seen several times in Rio, at some "in" clubs as Goal in Barra de Tijuca or Baronetti in Ipanema, gringos been grabbed (and once even beaten) by local "Gracie Jui-Juitsu" pitboys because they hitted the wrong girl.

That said, besides those elementary rules, the safest country I've been to is Uzbekistan. I feel much safer in Tashkent there than say in Paris or London.

Prosal
03-25-11, 21:17
In Rio de Janeiro, it's the poor who are dangerous. And they are many. In Kiev, it's the rich guys, if you step on their toes. And they aren't so many.

What's your feedback about safety in Kiev guys?

RegardsBTW, as I said, better no pissing on local thugs's shoes on their own turf, but also beware of other mongers who can't hold their drink, as Turks, Italians or Indians. There is plenty of them in FSU, especially in Kiev which is a sex-tourism mecca.

Got involved in a brawl in Chisinau with disrespectful Italian guys. More serious was in Tashkent, with drunk Indians who became territory at the bar. Grasps, punches, kicks and everything. In a fight, they were less skilled than my grandmother, but one of those swarthy scumbags panicked and beated my left eye with his finger, provoking a cornea crack. Result was one full week with going every day to the eye-clinic (where happily a doctor spoke a perfect english) to change plasters for my eye and with a bandage covering half of my face. So be careful of suckers who can't hold alcohol.

Mystery77
03-26-11, 14:34
I was reading on the Romanian part of this forum. Anyways someone mentioned you can in KIEV hire a sex guide to assist you in locating the women you seek. Is this true? & Where can I find a GUIDE to assist me in my sexual endeavours?

Rates for service?

Some of you pro f*ckers should know this answer.)

LilJoey
03-27-11, 00:07
AN ACCEPTABLE RATE:

As has been reported on this thread many times the market rate available from many girls on mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com is between 600 UAH ($75 USD).800 UAH ($100 USD) for 1 hour. As I and others have stated the Rio strip club has a three hour minimum for $300 USD, which is a net rate of $100 USD / hr which is the market rate. Since I can pre-interview the girls at Rio to get a handle on their personalities and vibe as well as see them in action as dancers and in a private dance, I have made peace with the 3 hour minimum and regard Rio as a good option. However because of the price tag, I cannot do it as often as I like and supplement my Rio experiences, with girls I have requested from top-modals. Com and numbers I have gotten from girls on mamba. Ru.

During my November 2010 trip, I had decided to give vodkaescort. Com a try because I saw that a few of their models were available in Kiev at a rate of 200 Euros / 3hours and I liked some of the pictures. That rate was acceptable to me because currently 1 Euro was about $1. 35 USD at the time, so they were asking the equivalent of $270 USD for three hours, or an hourly net rate of $90 USD / hr, which is within the range of the Kiev escort market rate stated above. Because of vodkaescort's three hour minimum, it was comparable in my mind to the rate asked at Rio strip club. Even though vodkaescort lacked the the pre-interview advantages of the strip club, I decided to take the plunge at least once to investigate this as an option. (Currently today the euro is around $1. 40 USD. See www.xe.com, a helpful site for exchange rates.)

I was in Kiev for Thanksgiving weekend 2010. Vodkaescort gave me a short list of girls who could be available that Saturday in Kiev for a 3 hour date, but when I tried to open the website from my laptop to see the pictures of the girls they had listed for me, I could not get access to their website. Interestingly, my Blackberry phone was able to get into their website but the picture thumbnails of the girls could not be opened up because the phone lacked certain software for doing this. I emailed vodkaescort about the problem and they emailed me some of the photos for the girls under discussion.

[But I had too much going on that Saturday, including a daytime visit from the lovely Sasha an awesome Russian sex-machine I had met on previous Kiev trips at the River Palace, who was one of the few girls I bumped into present at the Buddha Bar when I checked it out on Thursday night and I had said to sasha that we would hook up again that weekend. Sasha is very sexy and to me looks sort of like actress-model Barbara Bach, the James Bond girl in The Spy Who Loved Me. But Sasha really deserves her own report. Those of you who have been with her will know what she delivers for the mere price of $300 USD / 2 hours.) ]

JULIA@VODKA ESCORT.

So vodkaescort didn't happen on Saturday. When I contacted them on Sunday, they had an even shorter list which is how I came to have a date with Julia from vodkaescort. Com. Check out her pics here:

http://www.vodkaescort.com/gallery.php?ank_num=31

Her pictures are accurate. The pics you will see today are different than the ones that were up back in November 2010 when I first met her, but she was the short list for that Sunday in Kiev and although her pics showed no supermodel, she looked girl next door pretty and was ok for me. I just wasn't sure from the pics if her body was going to look sexy in reallife, and I told vodkaescort that they need to send me a girl with a flat stomach and sexy derriere like a bikini model. Anyway when the doorbell rang, ontime I might add, and I opened the door, there stood a very cute girl wearing tight pants which showed a very cute ass, and who also proved to have a very sweet, accomodating personality. It was GFE treatment all the way down the line. After some conversation and washing up in the shower, there followed about two and half hours of love-making in all manner of positions that I remembered for long afterward. She was delicious, sweet and sexy, a delight to be with. So much so that I made an appointment and saw her a second time when I visited Kiev in February 2011 a few weeks ago. I have only good things to say about a sweetie like Julia.

Having had such a nice time with one of their models (Julia) , I sent them an email encouraging vodkaescort to make more of the girls whose photos I like on their website available short term (3 hours) in Kiev.

The problem for vodkaescort is that it is not a local Kiev agency, and many of their girls do not live in Kiev. So they must travel quite a bit to get to a date in Kiev, and they only want to do this for a 12 hour minimum date. The agency has some fantasy that men want to spend days on end with their models and that somehow the "hourly rate" market is beneath them. I told them that the market of millionaires wanting to book days at a time with a model is necessarily a very small one. So if they want to compete in the market where most guys interested in escort are, they need to conform to what that market demands and what is currently offered in that market. But it's like talking to a wall. So instead they send their blonde Ukrainian beauties to Turkey or Greece to get fucked by all manner of third world men who have money, and who because opposites attract, very much prize the fucking of blonde Russian and Ukrainian women. Now we all do, but they are apparently willing to spend much more on this hobby since the blonde beauty is very scarce among them and they have no other options like it in their locale. This is why the Russian women also flock to places like Dubai to get fucked in exchange for some of the Arab oil money that abounds there.

I encouraged vodka escort to recruit more girls who live in Kiev if they want to reasonably service this market and compete in this market. The interesting fact that vodkaescort / caribescort (same company) have recently tried to attract attention here on this forum seems to indicate they have an interest in expanding their business. So I guess we'll have to wait and see if more girls appear on their website available in Kiev for 3 hours at 200 Euro.

If I decide to see any more of their girls, I will post a report. I probably will try them again when I'll be back in Kiev April 14th weekend if they have someone whose pics I like available for 3 hour date, because I don't think Julia is a one time phenomenon.

So in addition to the above, in my view the main other moderate price options for Kiev are:

Rio strip club.

Top-modals. Com.

Mamba. Ru.

The various nightclubs where girls look to hook up mentioned in this thread (Buddha Bar, Avalon etc.).

Apartment brothels all over downtown (try to find a taxi driver who speaks a little English and arrange a fee for him to take you and stay with you until you find what you're looking for).

There are in addition many websites, with prices that are not too high, but that have not been adequately tested and reported on by forum members as to whether the pics are true or fake, such as:

Vipescort. Mx / girls

Uadreamescort. Com.

Escort-models. Com.

Sexbombua. Com.

Sexkiev. Net.

http://xmodel.com.ua/girls/all/1/

http://www.kiev-x.com/girls/

http://www.escort-in-kiev.com/Kiev.html

http://uadosug.com/en/

http://promokashki.com/en/

http://interdevochki.com/

http://kievescort.net/

http://intimdosugua.com/

http://minuet.biz/main

http://relaxportal.biz/eng/

TheKnight
03-27-11, 21:46
Just wondering how you fellas get round the issue of having your wallet and stuff laying around in apartments. None of the ones I have rented ever have a safe?I lock any personal stuff in my suitcase. And I tell the apartment agency I am doing them a favour and don't need a cleaner for entire visit (I can empty my own rubbish and don't want precious sleep time to be disturbed, or worse still caught in the act!

TheKnight
03-27-11, 21:52
I've tapped her too. Wasn't that bad pricewise. $100. YMMV.Me too. 800UAH. Got on ok actually, but the sex wasn't particularly awesome. In fairness it was while I was trying to juggle three girlfriends, so she had to be outstanding to get a repeat performance.

TheKnight
03-27-11, 21:57
There are three strip clubs in the Arena City Complex alone. Arena Cab, one of the Rhinos and Solid Gold. Haven't been to any of them but when I went to a Rhino a few years ago they had a no intim policy.

There has to be about 8-10 strip clubs within a 5km radius from Arena.

Have fun. Things have changed at Solid Gold. Not open long and already prices go up, they now want $450 for release of girl. Previously girls were quite flexible and $300 was possible, as girls didn't have to return to club if it was 2am or later, but they now rule with an iron rod, and girls have to return to "check out" after seeing client even if you book for 2 hours at 0500 as club is closing. Crazy. Now no longer an option for me, and they rip you off on girls' drink prices too.

And stage show is crap, topless only. Seems everywhere in Kyiv the panties stay on for main stage shows. One point where London beats Kyiv!

All the Kyiv Rhino clubs have always had a no sex policy, and no meeting guys outside, and because the girls get good tips, they dare not breach the rule.

Rio is still the best by a long way!

TheKnight
03-27-11, 22:09
Where have the River Palace girls gone?

As you know they have gone to a number of clubs in the city. This trend already start before the Boat floated away as the Kyiv nightclub (and semi pro) scene expanded and the 'newness' of RP worn off (RP have been around since the 90's). A lot of the girls would work the Boat on Thursdays. Friday, Arena on Saturday or Decadence, Avalon or where ever.

Some have even taken off for the supposed greener grass of Moscow.

Ah, your question. Try D'Lux.

The rumour on the street is that the Boat will eventually float back (once the local authorities find a payment arrangement they like). Hopefully in time for Superbowl Ho Down 2012. D'Lux is for the cream of the crop, the high-enders for sure, but many more regular girls than p4p, but some studentkyi will be tempted by a rich foreigner without doubt.

I fail to see how anyone can go in Buddha bar and not see p4p. Only answer must be he was there too early : even at River Palace the only reason girls turned up before midnight was to eat downstairs (or watch the football haha!)

TheKnight
03-27-11, 22:19
Cruiser D, I respect your knowledge of things Eastern Europe. Have read your posts long before I was a member. Although here, I don't know why it's so unbelievable. 250 uah is not unheard of. I was actually in Kiev again last week, and we met up for the Nth time.

These girls are humans too, and with a little knowledge of Russian, some charm and thankfully my still relatively young age. After the 1st meeting they're very much willing to get less money to spend time with someone they like. Have to agree. Think I reported a while back, when I hooked up with Hunter Dave, we pulled some girls back to our respective apartments and no price was agreed. She asked for present and I said sure, a couple of hundred (she knew it wasn't dollarov!). Guess she just wanted sex and must have quite fancied me.

As with everything in Kyiv, it depends on your personal skills.

LilJoey
03-28-11, 01:11
I fail to see how anyone can go in Buddha bar and not see p4p. Only answer must be he was there too early : even at River Palace the only reason girls turned up before midnight was to eat downstairs (or watch the football haha!)I guess you might be refering to what I reported a while back when I wrote,"I have read reports in this forum that the ladies are now going to several nightclub venues including the Buddha Bar (more of a restaurant / bar) and Avalon etc. But I have been in Kiev in November 2010 and went to the Buddha Bar and to Avalon and did not see any substantial hooker presence there, and I also went to Buddha Bar in Kiev in February 2011 from 10:30pm – midnight and nothing there. So I am doubtful as to the correctness of those reports."

If you are saying that before 12 midnight I should not expect many p4p girls in the various venues, it would explain my observations. Buddha Bar had seemed to be reported on this forum as one of the main places to expect to see many ex River Palace girls, which is the reason I chose that venue to check out in my last two post River Palace visits to Kiev. On my November 2010 trip to Kiev, I went to the Buddha Bar and bumped into two girls I knew from River Palace, namely Sasha, a beautiful Russian brunette, and another very pretty Ukrainian girl from Donetsk who always asked $400 for 2 hrs, and was asking the same at the Buddha Bar. But other than those two girls I didn't see a lot of others who were obvioulsy p4p. But now that I think about it, it was not after midnight. Then a few weeks ago at the end of February 2011 when I went the Buddha Bar, I decided to stay at the Buddha Bar for a while to see what developed So I stayed there from 10:30pm. 12 midnight, and seeing really nothing to speak of, I left before I wasted the rest of my night there and went over to Rio strip club to have some more reliable fun.

So if your saying that all the hotties from River Palace only first start showing up to the Buddha Bar after 12 midnite it would explain why I was disappointed during the period I was there.

I am interested to know the views of some of the veterans of the Kiev scene as to which nightclubs have the best p4p scene in terms of quantity of girls, quality, and range of rates asked, as I want to follow up on this search when I visit for the weekend of April 14th, in a few weeks.

Thanks.

Jojosun
03-28-11, 17:21
[QUO5]I have been reading this board for some time and have benefitted from the advice given by those hearty explorers who have blazed a trail before me in the variousTE=Liljoey; 113644 countries I have visited so far in pursuit of 'the hobby'.

Now I know that a frequent writer on this forum, and I'm speaking of Jojosun, from whom I have learned a lot, has written in the Warsaw thread, that it is possible to find pretty Polish girls in London in what he calls 'a Polish brothel' for 80 GBP (around $130 USD). But Jojosun has never written the websites or addresses or numbers for these Polish brothels, nor how to find them. So guys like me are left hoping he will remember to do so at some point. But even so, I don't believe you would find girls in these 80 GBP Polish brothels anywhere near the level of good looks of girls like Amelia or Gloria, above?[/QUOTE]Liljoey. Really enjoyed reading your informative and detailed posts re prices.

Re, the above.

All Brothels in the Uk are illegal.

I posted here in this thread on what is considered a Brothel in the Uk and the current Prostitution laws?

Any premises where 2 girls or more work at the same time or even individullay on different days in the same place. .

Now some are tolerated, and some are not.

Why? Not even the Police will tell you that.

All you have to do is make sure that you don't get caught with your pants down in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Well, for one thing I can't post Telephone nos here.

And secondly, the brothels refered to are located in the suburbs of London in leafy residential areas, and do not advertise at all.

They cater to regular mongers, who are intoduced to them by others who have been going there regularly.

A lot of the Polish girls who come over to London for few weeks or days, wouldn't like to post their pics on the internet, as a lot of them are students or semi pros.

I would be lying to you if I say in the looks dept, they are at the same level as Amellia and Gloria.

You have to bear in mind that out of the £180 you paid to the the above 2 girls, at least %20 goes to the agency plus even more if accommodation is provided for them to work on incall basis.

I spend hours trailing girls on adult work and other sites, and like you said it is quite time consuming and laborious.

Many girl would only advertise once and then disappear.

Unless you are a resident of London, the above wouldn't be a good viable option for mongering in London.

Regards

LilJoey
03-28-11, 20:07
[QUO5]I have been reading this board for some time and have benefitted from the advice given by those hearty explorers who have blazed a trail before me in the variousTE=Liljoey; 113644 countries I have visited so far in pursuit of 'the hobby'.

Now I know that a frequent writer on this forum, and I'm speaking of Jojosun, from whom I have learned a lot, has written in the Warsaw thread, that it is possible to find pretty Polish girls in London in what he calls 'a Polish brothel' for 80 GBP (around $130 USD). But Jojosun has never written the websites or addresses or numbers for these Polish brothels, nor how to find them. So guys like me are left hoping he will remember to do so at some point. But even so, I don't believe you would find girls in these 80 GBP Polish brothels anywhere near the level of good looks of girls like Amelia or Gloria, above? Liljoey. Really enjoyed reading your informative and detailed posts re prices.

Re, the above.

All Brothels in the Uk are illegal.

I posted here in this thread on what is considered a Brothel in the Uk and the current Prostitution laws?

Any premises where 2 girls or more work at the same time or even individullay on different days in the same place. .

Now some are tolerated, and some are not.

Why? Not even the Police will tell you that.

All you have to do is make sure that you don't get caught with your pants down in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Well, for one thing I can't post Telephone nos here.

And secondly, the brothels refered to are located in the suburbs of London in leafy residential areas, and do not advertise at all.

They cater to regular mongers, who are intoduced to them by others who have been going there regularly.

A lot of the Polish girls who come over to London for few weeks or days, wouldn't like to post their pics on the internet, as a lot of them are students or semi pros.

I would be lying to you if I say in the looks dept, they are at the same level as Amellia and Gloria.

You have to bear in mind that out of the £180 you paid to the the above 2 girls, at least %20 goes to the agency plus even more if accommodation is provided for them to work on incall basis.

I spend hours trailing girls on adult work and other sites, and like you said it is quite time consuming and laborious.

Many girl would only advertise once and then disappear.

Unless you are a resident of London, the above wouldn't be a good viable option for mongering in London.

Regards[/QUOTE]Hi Jojosun. Thank you for responding on the point raised about the Polish brothels. I understand your concern about LE and not getting "caught with your pants down in the wrong place at the wrong time." Can you advise on any precautions I should be taking in visiting girls like Amelia or Gloria that I found on londonescortguide.

I will be in London for stopovers on the evenings of April 13 and on May 2 while enroute to and from Kiev. Can you advise on any other options I should explore in London while I am there that are worthwhile, aside from the londonescortguide ladies or adultwork ladies?

I suppose any sensitive information about brothels or other options could be exchanged between forum members via PM's.

Thanks for any insights you might be able to offer.

Best regards

HunterDave
03-29-11, 01:12
I think you're a bit late, Bubba.

Freedom Fries are so 2003. P-Dude,

In the US they call them french fries or as France used to call them in German 'pomme frites. ' I see your xenophobic, nationalistic tendencies are quite strong. Can't we just learn to get along with all here or do you just have desires to build another 'Maginot Line' to keep yourself divided?

My point is to talk Kiev mongering here and keep your history lessons and dislike for certain nationalities away from ISG. Maybe you can start a history forum somewhere. Kiev, if one does his preparation and homework, can be a very nice 'meat lovers market! ' We all just want to taste the nectar of that sweet young berry. For it is spring. Let us aspire to work with each other. Remember a man's reach should exceed his grasp. Or what is a penis for?

Live long and monger!

Hunter Dave

HunterDave
03-29-11, 01:16
The word wh*re changed to working girl. Not to get confused.Mystery,

Thanks for the catch. I forgot they do not like the wh*re word.

(Now let's get back to what this site is all about, hunting fine young Dyevs who want to meet and enjoy our company! Time to get back to being a fully functioning man-wh*re; to that sexually compulsive mongerer with narcissistic tendencies! Spring is here and time to help a few hotties to shed that winter clothing!)

Time for makin' bacon!

Hunter Dave

HunterDave
03-29-11, 02:01
Really enjoyed reading your post.

Very informative&entertaining, as always

On the subject of our Invasion of Iraq, I think Alan Greenspan (TreasurySectretary during George Bush term) was more forthcoming on the real reasons for going there, when he said, it was for the Oil.

It was so predictable and obvious, no one took much notice.

A lot of friends and ex work colleagues have done very well out of our invasion of Iraq, and some are spending their extra easily earned cash in Kiev.

Hunter's chat up lines must be as good as his posts.

Hence, his success with the girls there.

I mean there is nothing more boring even for hard pros, than Boring Old Farts. Jo,

As most of us know a mongerer needs to have a game plan. Got to have a schtick! Avoid the chit chat unless it looks like it is working to get you laid. I once told a University hottie on the dance floor that she had me at 'oral sex' she smiled, and she stayed close, lots of slow dancing and she had her hands all over me the rest of the night! However, I do have a 'firm' rule and draw the line when it comes to married women. If she is firm enough, I will gladly do her too! Haha! If that is her desire. I tell them I am like a machine fueled by desire, lust and a single hunger to satisfy my every carnal need. And many of them buy it. And share their own desires later that night. Build up the intrigue and have them want to be with you and only you and one's success rate will rise! I am in search of that good stine of mead and a hot little wench (dyev) to keep me warm thru the night and likes to service morning wood!

Stay hungry and horny my mongerer friend!

Hunter Dave

HunterDave
03-29-11, 02:09
Dear all,

As you have probably read in this thread, spoiling myself to a couple of days in Kiev. Read in this forum that there are plenty of nice massage parlors to visit. Was just wondering (since the last posts have been quite some time ago) whether some of you have had recent experiences in these parlors, and which one would you recommend?

Thanks all!

VogelV,

I tried a few near Maidan (over a year ago) and they were ok, but then found Rakuena (http://www.rakuena.com.ua/lang_en/ ). Nice selection of hotties, good to get the kink out after a few days of hard mongering and get the massage where they work their ass off to give you 2 happy endings. Very nice!

Best thing is to get your p4p or freebie to give you a massage. It will help you relax and rest before your 2nd round. Then it isn't a hand or breast happy ending but another great round of sex.

Hunter Dave

HunterDave
03-29-11, 02:18
I lock any personal stuff in my suitcase. And I tell the apartment agency I am doing them a favour and don't need a cleaner for entire visit (I can empty my own rubbish and don't want precious sleep time to be disturbed, or worse still caught in the act!Knight,

Good safety tips. Securing in a suitcase is always a good idea. When I have one that stays more than just a few hours I too guard my wallet. I have tested a few by leaving a few hundred grivna out on the table and if they are having a good time and you buy them a few inexpensive gifts they tend to leave the small change alone in anticipation of a longer time together, with dinners, dancing, drinks and more hot sex. But still worth being weary till you see how they act when you are not in the room with them. I would not trust any of them unless you have an established relationship and even then still be weary.

Hunter

HunterDave
03-29-11, 02:39
Have to agree. Think I reported a while back, when I hooked up with Hunter Dave, we pulled some girls back to our respective apartments and no price was agreed. She asked for present and I said sure, a couple of hundred (she knew it wasn't dollarov!). Guess she just wanted sex and must have quite fancied me.

As with everything in Kyiv, it depends on your personal skills.The Knight is right,

That night we went to Shooters there so much good 'hot' stuff to be had, not enough time, not enough night time, even with the best 'laid' plans, you will only put a dent in your desires to nail as much 'strange' as you can get your hands on.

While these are 'like' fotos to give you an idea how tough the choices that night were. While we could have taken several back to our places, we opted for solos for 'all night'.

It did help when we both wore these subdued t-shirts while at the bar! Enjoy!

HD

LilJoey
03-29-11, 05:42
[QUO5]I have been reading this board for some time and have benefitted from the advice given by those hearty explorers who have blazed a trail before me in the variousTE=Liljoey; 113644 countries I have visited so far in pursuit of 'the hobby'.

Now I know that a frequent writer on this forum, and I'm speaking of Jojosun, from whom I have learned a lot, has written in the Warsaw thread, that it is possible to find pretty Polish girls in London in what he calls 'a Polish brothel' for 80 GBP (around $130 USD). But Jojosun has never written the websites or addresses or numbers for these Polish brothels, nor how to find them. So guys like me are left hoping he will remember to do so at some point. But even so, I don't believe you would find girls in these 80 GBP Polish brothels anywhere near the level of good looks of girls like Amelia or Gloria, above?
Liljoey. Really enjoyed reading your informative and detailed posts re prices.

Re, the above.

All Brothels in the Uk are illegal.

I posted here in this thread on what is considered a Brothel in the Uk and the current Prostitution laws?

Any premises where 2 girls or more work at the same time or even individullay on different days in the same place. .

Now some are tolerated, and some are not.

Why? Not even the Police will tell you that.

All you have to do is make sure that you don't get caught with your pants down in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Well, for one thing I can't post Telephone nos here.

And secondly, the brothels refered to are located in the suburbs of London in leafy residential areas, and do not advertise at all.

They cater to regular mongers, who are intoduced to them by others who have been going there regularly.

A lot of the Polish girls who come over to London for few weeks or days, wouldn't like to post their pics on the internet, as a lot of them are students or semi pros.

I would be lying to you if I say in the looks dept, they are at the same level as Amellia and Gloria.

You have to bear in mind that out of the £180 you paid to the the above 2 girls, at least %20 goes to the agency plus even more if accommodation is provided for them to work on incall basis.

I spend hours trailing girls on adult work and other sites, and like you said it is quite time consuming and laborious.

Many girl would only advertise once and then disappear.

Unless you are a resident of London, the above wouldn't be a good viable option for mongering in London.

RegardsHi Jojosun. Thank you for responding on the point raised about the Polish brothels. I understand your concern about LE and not getting "caught with your pants down in the wrong place at the wrong time." Can you advise on any precautions I should be taking in visiting girls like Amelia or Gloria that I found on londonescortguide.

I will be in London for stopovers on the evenings of April 13 and on May 2 while enroute to and from Kiev. Can you advise on any other options I should explore in London while I am there that are worthwhile, aside from the londonescortguide ladies or adultwork ladies?

I suppose any sensitive information about brothels or other options could be exchanged between forum members via PM's.

Thanks for any insights you might be able to offer.

Best regards

Guntherus
03-30-11, 00:28
What is this, lengthy repetitive expositions about london in the Kiev-thread? Please remove your discussion to PM or some other thread, and limit unnecessary quotations when a post can be found don under on the same page! You may be posh but we the others are reading this forum for advice.

LilJoey
03-30-11, 02:03
What is this, lengthy repetitive expositions about london in the Kiev-thread? Please remove your discussion to PM or some other thread, and limit unnecessary quotations when a post can be found don under on the same page! You may be posh but we the others are reading this forum for advice.Hi Roll Buzz, not Jojosun's fault. Something went wrong with the quotation formatting of my last post replying to him, so I fixed it to best of my ability and reposted it, so it wouldn't be confusing. I'm a new poster here and if I could have figured out how to delete my previous post that had the glitch, I would have. We did sort of get off on a London tangent as a result of my discussion in an earlier post of comparative rates for girls in different parts of Europe in comparison to Kiev, which should be of interest to forum readers who have choices in where they travel for mongering. However, I do agree with you about giving advice, and if you read my previous posts you will see that is just exactly what I endeavor to do. Provide quality in depth information that will be of use to the forum members. I looked at some of your previous posts, and I encourage you to do the same.

Mystery77
03-30-11, 08:04
Mystery,

Thanks for the catch. I forgot they do not like the wh*re word.

(Now let's get back to what this site is all about, hunting fine young Dyevs who want to meet and enjoy our company! Time to get back to being a fully functioning man-wh*re; to that sexually compulsive mongerer with narcissistic tendencies! Spring is here and time to help a few hotties to shed that winter clothing!)

Time for makin' bacon!

Hunter DaveWell Said Hunter Dave.

Prosal
03-30-11, 11:39
What is this, lengthy repetitive expositions about london in the Kiev-thread? Please remove your discussion to PM or some other thread, and limit unnecessary quotations when a post can be found don under on the same page! You may be posh but we the others are reading this forum for advice.If you don't like a post, then skip it. In a conversation betwen learned adults, the subject can slip to other matters. It's no big deal. And it's VERY impolite to interfer. This forum doesn't need talibans, mollhas or other "law and order" censors to say to other posters what must be said and what must not be said. Only the site's owner has the right to do so.

Guntherus
03-30-11, 19:33
Hi Roll Buzz, not Jojosun's fault...... I encourage you to do the same.Point taken, I was pissed and overreacting, mostly I find the posts I read here informative and funny.

Golfinho
03-30-11, 22:40
No specific violence problems in FSU. Just avoid the gopniki. .I think you're a bit late, frognik. Gopniki is so 2003.

Global Surfer
03-31-11, 00:48
V,

I tried a few near Maidan (over a year ago) and they were ok, but then found Rakuena (

http://www.rakuena.com.ua/lang_en/

). Nice selection of hotties, good to get the kink out after a few days of hard mongering and get the massage where they work their ass off to give you 2 happy endings. Very nice!

Best thing is to get your p4p or freebie to give you a massage. It will help you relax and rest before your 2nd round. Then it isn't a hand or breast happy ending but another great round of sex.

Hunter DaveCould you please give some idea about price?

Excess
03-31-11, 09:34
Could you please give some idea about price?Http://www.rakuena.com.ua/prices/lang_en/

Vogel09
03-31-11, 17:53
Dear all,

I am visiting Kiev next week, and have been in contact with some of the girls via mamba. Several of them offer 'I would like to find a sponsor'. What does that deal mean? This is f. I. A small city tour, where we go shopping, go for nice dinner etc, and maybe some 'extras' for me inbetween the blankets? Or is it that + a significant USD amount for the 'extras'? Am interested in the way this works in Kiev.

Thanks for sharing your info!

Vogel

Jojosun
03-31-11, 19:02
[/QUOTE]Hi Jojosun.." Can you advise on any precautions I should be taking in visiting girls like Amelia or Gloria that I found on londonescortguide.

I will be in London for stopovers on the evenings of April 13 and on May 2 while enroute to and from Kiev. Can you advise on any other options I should explore in London while I am there that are worthwhile, aside from the londonescortguide ladies or adultwork ladies?

I suppose any sensitive information about brothels or other options could be exchanged between forum members via PM's.

Thanks for any insights you might be able to offer.

Best regards[/QUOTE]Hi Liljoey,

Quite honestly I think you have done pretty well in finding Amelia& Gloria at the prices you mentioned. £3 or US$4. 70 per minute.

We all use ISG as a Price &Experience Comparison site. . In my case I use London as my current Benchmark for prices to compare with Kiev & other mongering destinations.

What you posted on the different price structures for mongering was very valid &useful.

I posted here in detail (In reply to Simex) on what you should avoid in mongering in London.

The girl shouldn't be " Forced, coerced, controlled or trafficked for the purpose of prostitution.

But the current law in the UK makes it a Strict Liability, meaning it doesn't matter even if the mongerer didn't know?

The Onus is on the Monger, as far as the Law is concerned.

Having said that. Prostitution in Private is still Legal, and going to Brothels where the girls are (not forced, coerced or controlled) , is still legal.

So your best bet is to stick to reputable Parlours and Agencies where you can plan (a week in advance) , so you can choose the Right girl at the right time for you, and where prices and services offered are clearly shown on their sites.

Personally I stick to safe good areas of London, and avoid areas in East London among others.

Have a look on www.houseofdivine.com, or www.passionateencounters.co.uk.

Or you can have up to 7 girls at Lady Marmalde parties in a nice safe central area of London.

For pse and Porn Stars, Photo Girls. Net.

At present I live and work in London, so my budget is a max of £ 140 for a 2 hours party or £120 per hour with an escort.

For the likes of Amelia and Gloria at prices cheaper than London, then I would travel to either Kiev or various cities in Poland, if it is cost effective.

If I were you and you are here for a very short stopover, I would stick with what you tried.

We can continue this discussion in the London thread if you like, so we can get more tips.

There is always something new in London to be found.

Prosal
03-31-11, 21:53
Gopniki is so 2003.Still trolling each and every thread with raving BS nonsense, bolvan?

LilJoey
04-01-11, 01:31
At present I live and work in London, so my budget is a max of £ 140 for a 2 hours party or £120 per hour with an escort.

For the likes of Amelia and Gloria at prices cheaper than London, then I would travel to either Kiev or various cities in Poland, if it is cost effective.

If I were you and you are here for a very short stopover, I would stick with what you tried.

We can continue this discussion in the London thread if you like, so we can get more tips.

There is always something new in London to be found. Insofar as Kiev is concerned, unfortunately I haven't yet gotten to a girl in Kiev on the level of good looks of Amelia, the Polish princess. Certainly no one I ever saw at the River Palace in past years, or on mamba. Ru, or top-modals. Com compares to Amelia's looks IMHO. There is one notable exception. Anyone who has had the good fortune to run into a girl at Rio strip club named Taya, a gorgeous tall blonde creature with a perfect body and movie-star good looks, will know what I mean.

I will post a response to you in the London thread with respect to your mongoring recommendations relevant to the London scene, as you suggest. Both your and Simex's references to very reasonably prices Polish or Lithuanian brothels in London first appeared in this Kiev thread. So anyone else looking for the follow up, go to London thread.

LJ

Vogel09
04-01-11, 12:24
Dear all,

Was just curious, is there a site in Ukraine (I haven't found so, besides mamba which is more like dating related) that can be compared with odloty. Pl in Poland or escort. CZ? Is there 'uberhaupt' a private apartments scene in Kiev, or is it not that well organized?

Thanks!

Vogel

Jojosun
04-01-11, 15:39
I with respect to your mongoring recommendations relevant to the London scene, as you suggest. Both your and Simex's references to very reasonably prices Polish or Lithuanian brothels in London first appeared in this Kiev thread. So anyone else looking for the follow up, go to London thread.

LJThis is how it all started.


AC. Good report. It'd all about having fun and playing the game. I have been spending my free time in FKK Land and Poland. Your report really inspired me to take the plunge and hit Kiev this spring.

Let me know when you're in London and I'll hook you up with some Hot Ukranian and Polish Brothels in the City. Prices are at £100 per hour on Adult Work. PM me and I'll send you some hot pic's.

SimexI was only responding to Simex mention of (Hot Ukranian Brothels in London) , and my reference to Polish Brothels came up as a guide to Prices & not to their exact locations.

Simex, volunteered to hook up Asian Chaos with them & he also posted here that some high esteem members have pmd him for info which he replied to.

We haven't heard from (Asian Chaos) or any of the (High Esteem members) on the above Hot Brothels. In London.

Insomniaque
04-01-11, 16:08
It did help when we both wore these subdued t-shirts while at the bar!No kidding, you really wore these? And attracted people with them? I mean, other than bouncers? Surely there's a knack.

Jojosun
04-01-11, 16:40
Insofar as Kiev is concerned, unfortunately I haven't yet gotten to a girl in Kiev on the level of good looks of Amelia, the Polish princess. Certainly no one I ever saw at the River Palace in past years, or on mamba. Ru, or top-modals. Com compares to Amelia's looks IMHO. There is one notable exception. Anyone who has had the good fortune to run into a girl at Rio strip club named Taya, a gorgeous tall blonde creature with a perfect body and movie-star good looks, will know what I mean.Liljoey,

I think I met the above girl Taya at Rio and I agree with you on her looks.

But I thought that she didn't speak English and I didn't pursue it with her further.

Did you have the Pleasure.

For someone with such extensive quality international mongering experience, including (RiverPalace in past years) , makes me wonder why didn't you share your past experienes in Kiev before now.

I know it is nice to be Humble. But you are coming across as an Old Kiev Hand?

Even a repeat of some covered ground might jog memories.

Happy and safe Mongering.

HunterDave
04-01-11, 16:45
No kidding, you really wore these? And attracted people with them? I mean, other than bouncers? Surely there's a knack.No we did not really wear them. But in my conversation with the hottie I took home, I let her know that 'oral sex' was on the table, or on the counter top, or in the jacuzzi, the couch, hell everywhere!

I once had a hottie tell me she hadn't shaved her legs (thinking if she didn't shave she would most likely behave that night) I told not to worry and that it did not matter to me and that any real man (mongerer) is willing to work or fight his way thru the 'rough' just make it to the green! To enjoy putting on that nice putting surface!

Stay hungry and horny bud,

Hunter Dave

Insomniaque
04-01-11, 16:54
There are in addition many websites, with prices that are not too high, but that have not been adequately tested and reported on by forum members as to whether the pics are true or fake, such as:

Vipescort. Mx / girls

Uadreamescort. Com.

Escort-models. Com.

Sexbombua. Com.

Sexkiev. Net.

http://xmodel.com.ua/girls/all/1/

http://www.kiev-x.com/girls/

http://www.escort-in-kiev.com/Kiev.html

http://uadosug.com/en/

http://promokashki.com/en/

http://interdevochki.com/

http://kievescort.net/

http://intimdosugua.com/

http://minuet.biz/main

http://relaxportal.biz/eng/Thanks for this list, Liljoey. Started browsing those as I came to realize that comparing different sites helped a lot to spot fake photos. I mean, if you find a Mamba cutie on another site with different rates / phone number, it doesn't smell good. This had probably been stated before but I had overlooked the info.

Anyway, after top-modals (very useful as a complement of Mamba, I think) , I am now checking vipescort and really it's worth having a look.

Example:

http://vipescort.mx/girls/272

Who wants to nail Carmella Bing?

Geeeez.

HunterDave
04-01-11, 17:07
Dear fellow monger friends,

Will be visiting Kiev in a couple weeks time; any good suggestion for apartment rental services? Would like to stay 4-5 days, and able to invite a girl over. Looking for price range USD 70. 100 per night. Should suffice, right?

Thanks for your input,

VogelV,

I recommend http://www.uaapartments.com/, they take credit cards (as do many others now). Get the round trip transfer for about $44. Others have said they used several other such as http://www.kievapts.com/. Google Kiev rentals and go to town.

I like uaapartments because of the pickup and return. Well worth not worrying or having to hassle with sometimes finding a taxi. But Ukraine has not learned to cut even a frequent traveler some slack dud to weather delays. Your deposit for 1 night is for that night only! If you are delayed, you are out your deposit and if you leave early then say goodbye to your money! They want your payment upfront. Good luck.

Hunter Dave

HunterDave
04-01-11, 17:25
Quality post, Dave.

Thanks for sharing.

VG.VG,

Glad you liked it. I do not know why we need to be attacking nationalities here. I would rather see more mongering tips and less BS.

HD

Insomniaque
04-01-11, 22:08
I know this one!

http://uadreamescort.com/en/girls/anal-sex/kiev/zhana_419.html

I mean, I have already seen those pics. The girl I am talking about went by the alias "Alienka" and used to work for a Russian escort agency well-known in Paris (sweet-pussycat. Net). I remember her as I hesitated to book her (but eventually gave up because of bad reviews).

Having said that, Sweet Pussycat is known to be a rather reliable agency (real photos, although photoshoped). Hence two hypotheses: either Alienka is now working in Kiev (hem) , or (more probable) uadreamescort is stealing photos from other escort agencies.

Anyway, those so-called "recent" photos are at least 4 year old. Doesn't smell good.

Insomniaque
04-01-11, 22:33
http://sexkiev.net/prostitutki/1697

I masturbated on these (souvenirs, souvenirs) long before I ever came to Kiev!

And it is doubtful these ones are real as well, although I fail to put a name on them:

http://sexkiev.net/prostitutki/1406

Insomniaque
04-01-11, 23:20
http://kievescort.net/realnye-prostitutki-kieva

Fucking ridiculous. Avoid!

Well, I'm finished with the list, and by the mere look of it top-modals is the most reliable. Noticed a couple of interesting profiles here and there, though. Will try them if I find the time and will then report.

BTW, I find this one really to good to be true, but since it is "verified" (and since I could not fault the verification system of this site) I am hesitating. Anyone recognizes these pics?

http://uadosug.com/en/gallery/103/

TheKnight
04-01-11, 23:42
Insofar as Kiev is concerned, unfortunately I haven't yet gotten to a girl in Kiev on the level of good looks of Amelia, the Polish princess. Certainly no one I ever saw at the River Palace in past years, or on mamba. Ru, or top-modals. Com compares to Amelia's looks IMHO. There is one notable exception. Anyone who has had the good fortune to run into a girl at Rio strip club named Taya, a gorgeous tall blonde creature with a perfect body and movie-star good looks, will know what I mean.

I will post a response to you in the London thread with respect to your mongoring recommendations relevant to the London scene, as you suggest. Both your and Simex's references to very reasonably prices Polish or Lithuanian brothels in London first appeared in this Kiev thread. So anyone else looking for the follow up, go to London thread.

LJYes, she looks fantastic. I have taken out about 8 of the blondes in there.

However Taya, IMHO was well below the best service I got. Compared to anywhere else she was quite good, but for Rios she was distinctly average.

LilJoey
04-02-11, 04:42
Yes, she looks fantastic. I have taken out about 8 of the blondes in there.

However Taya, IMHO was well below the best service I got. Compared to anywhere else she was quite good, but for Rios she was distinctly average. Taya of Rios. Sounds like the title of a Star Trek episode. LOL.

Knight has more depth of experience to compare the girls, having gone thru 8 of the Rio girls already. So it means there is better service to be had amongst the other girls there. Yet, I haven't seen others who I would say are far better looking than her there. And sometimes even an acceptable average service from a girl who looks as sensational as Taya does, can fuel some very good memory cells. I have relished going over in my mind what I experienced with her, and still get excited by the visuals. I was with her twice, the first time for a three hour session, and the second time for a TLN. The first time was great, went like a dream. The second time she was exhausted and falling asleep and so I started messing with her to get her going, but although the sex was hot she did not repeat in the morning saying something about needing to meet her sister as she rushed out at 8am. Now maybe she did have something going on. But words to the wise, always ask in advance until what time and whethet there will be a morning session, so expectations are not ambiguous. So in light of my experience with her, I will not disagree with the Knight. But hot damn she looks good!

I suppose since the Rio strip club is now a focus of a good deal of our attentions, it would be helpful for us to start comparing notes on our experiences. A lot of the girls speak little or no English, so if you don't speak Russian, a lot of the hottest girls there won't go with you simply because of language.

Towards this end, I shall relate that I have had experience recently with two other girls, Ada and Rosa, and both were wonderful in looks and service.

LJ

Prosal
04-02-11, 09:52
I do not know why we need to be attacking nationalities here. I would rather see more mongering tips and less BS.

HDLOL. You really crack me up. So if this is not nationalistic rambling BS nonsense, how do you call it? (smilie).


Pierre,

French are 'full' of themselves. As for your comment about retarded inbred American peckerwoods, I have to speak up. I do not remember any Frenchmen at least twice in the last 100 years not 'bitching' about we 'retards' when they were having their asses handed to them on the battlefield and help was needed.

This is a note I got from a good buddy.

"You could have heard a pin drop"

At a time when US politicians, wanting to be politically correct, tend to apologize for America's prior actions, here's a refresher on how some US patriots handled negative comments about America.

JFK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when George DeGaulle decided to pull out of NATO. DeGaulle said he wanted all US military out of France as soon as possible.

Rusk responded,"Does that include those who are buried here?" DeGaulle did not respond.

You could have heard a pin drop.

When in England, at a fairly large conference, GEN Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of 'empire building' by George Bush.

He answered by saying,"Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return."

You could have heard a pin drop.

There was a conference in France where a number of international engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a break, one of the French engineers came back into the room saying,"Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intend to do, bomb them?"

One of the Americans present stood up and replied quietly: "Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed 3, 000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and from their flight deck. We have eleven such ships; how many does France have?"

You could have heard a pin drop.

A USA Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included Admirals from the USA, English, Canadian, Australian and French Navies At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that, whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English. He then asked,"Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than speaking French?"

Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied,"Maybe it's because the Brit's, Canadians, Aussie's and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German."

You could have heard a pin drop.

AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE.

Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on."You have been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked sarcastically.

Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously."Then you should know enough to have your passport ready."

The American said,"The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it." "Impossible. Americans always have to show their passports on arrival in France!"

The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly explained, 'Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in 1944 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to."

You could have heard a pin drop.

Hunter Dave)

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CityHunter77
04-02-11, 10:21
Last time I visited Rio was end of September 2010.

Usually it's a great experience for me but due to Mandarin closing down all the customers moved to Rio.

So I was unable to get a table upstairs or downstairs and only a place on the bar if I was lucky.

Is it still busy in Rio these days?

Is Ada a blondie by any chance?


Taya of Rios. Sounds like the title of a Star Trek episode. LOL.

Knight has more depth of experience to compare the girls, having gone thru 8 of the Rio girls already. So it means there is better service to be had amongst the other girls there. Yet, I haven't seen others who I would say are far better looking than her there. And sometimes even an acceptable average service from a girl who looks as sensational as Taya does, can fuel some very good memory cells. I have relished going over in my mind what I experienced with her, and still get excited by the visuals. I was with her twice, the first time for a three hour session, and the second time for a TLN. The first time was great, went like a dream. The second time she was exhausted and falling asleep and so I started messing with her to get her going, but although the sex was hot she did not repeat in the morning saying something about needing to meet her sister as she rushed out at 8am. Now maybe she did have something going on. But words to the wise, always ask in advance until what time and whethet there will be a morning session, so expectations are not ambiguous. So in light of my experience with her, I will not disagree with the Knight. But hot damn she looks good!

I suppose since the Rio strip club is now a focus of a good deal of our attentions, it would be helpful for us to start comparing notes on our experiences. A lot of the girls speak little or no English, so if you don't speak Russian, a lot of the hottest girls there won't go with you simply because of language.

Towards this end, I shall relate that I have had experience recently with two other girls, Ada and Rosa, and both were wonderful in looks and service.

LJ

Mystery77
04-02-11, 14:50
&1054; 96*9&1047; &1047; *1047; 6*1047; 6. Olesya. Ukraine, Kiev 22 Year, Aquarius.

Fake! Multiple profiles with same number. However 27 years old reasonably good looking from what I seen of her. $100 & will charge taxi or try work more money out of you. Now looking back I'd probably do a yes to this lady.

&1054; .9. 7. O. O. O. I. I. 2. &1054; Alina Ukraine, Kiev 21 years, Cancer.

Fake! Actually 28, nice enough girl. Average looking. $80 will ask for taxi fare. Does not speak english thought the supposed Alina I spoke to did over the phone. We also agreed total $80's include taxi over phone.

0994444495 Anna Zelenskaya Ukraine, Kiev Year 1923, Scorpio.

I think the photos are real! Well take & positioned. However be warned! Nice enough personality, however she does not go to the dentist, & is way way way below what I was expecting. 500gr did not ask for taxi money, took & hour to reach me. I didn't want to but I did. On the effort of her journey & building the I can do anything! Rocky Balboa moment.

Do not have number I provided my number at time. Marina Ukraine, Kiev 21 years, Aquarius.

Fake! $100 & taxi request. I offered $70 for being fake, as memtioned over the internet & phone only real! Was guarenteed. However still fake. Did not accept $70 so nothing happened. 26 years average looking. With such beautiful photos & one of my first plays this was a let down. Avoid! Also I saw her before come to me. With the girl at the top my first listing. They work together I have no doubt part of the same group.

(&1054; 96) 4&1054; I 6I &1054; &1047; Alika Ukraine, Kiev 20 years, Libra.

Fake! I really wanted to fuck this girl. What I got was a monster really avoid! Unless you like fucking stinky ass, over grown chicks. 700gr.

O98-77-&1047; 1-&1063; 5O Irusya Ukraine, Kiev 20 years, Cancer.

Fake! I really really wanted to fuck this girl. Another monster with lack luster performance. That kind of shape & attitude that just puts you off. 700gr.

Watch the numbers if you on mamba or flirt whatever associated site.

Hopefully this will help in your better choice selection.

Mystery77
04-02-11, 14:54
That first number listing is 096 933 36 36. Multi profiles mamba.

Jojosun
04-02-11, 16:18
Liljoey,

I think I met the above girl Taya at Rio and I agree with you on her looks.

But I thought that she didn't speak English and I didn't pursue it with her further.

Did you have the Pleasure.

For someone with such extensive quality international mongering experience, including (RiverPalace in past years) , makes me wonder why didn't you share your past experienes in Kiev before now.

I know it is nice to be Humble. But you are coming across as an Old Kiev Hand?

Even a repeat of some covered ground might jog memories.

Happy and safe Mongering. QUOTE. LIljoey.

I have been reading this board for some time and have benefitted from the advice given by those hearty explorers who have blazed a trail before me in the various countries I have visited so far in pursuit of 'the hobby'.

This is my first post. The reason I make a post now is that I never before felt I had anything to contribute to the forum in the form of new information that wasn't completely repetitive. QUOTE.

This is what I mean about Liljoey being Humble?

Had he posted before on Taya of Rio? , I would have gone straight for her.

Also, he seems to have a wealth of info on Kiev.

Mystery77
04-02-11, 17:21
Katyushu (0038) 0964259257 age:20. 600uah.

Remember fake!

If imagine she's a 10, what came was a 3 maybe 4 being generous.

http://escort-models.com/en/girls/escort-services/ukrainian/katyusha_1103.html

LilJoey
04-02-11, 23:12
Last time I visited Rio was end of September 2010.

Usually it's a great experience for me but due to Mandarin closing down all the customers moved to Rio.

So I was unable to get a table upstairs or downstairs and only a place on the bar if I was lucky.

Is it still busy in Rio these days?

Is Ada a blondie by any chance? Hi Immy007,

I too was disheartened to hear about the demise of Mandarin along with other riverside establishments most notably the River Palace. However, I was told by the managers at Rio that there are plans to reopen Mandarin, which I wish would be very soon as I have stopovers in Kiev for weekends of April 14 and April 28 and have no plans to be back until after the summer, maybe in October. I would really like to see the new Mandarin club, as I enjoyed their burlesque style show with singers and dancers as well as the hottie strippers, which is really unique for strip clubs acroos the world. And like you say, it would relieve some of the congestion at Rio. Perhaps you need to get to Rio earlier, or try making a reservation, and also make it a habit of stuffing 100 Grivna into the palm of the various managers who assist you, so they know you appreciate them and will reciprocate with better service.

As to Ada, no she is a brunette. She has the tall, slender dancer type of body that I like best. (I like flat stomach, wide hips with womanly curves that is so common with eastern european women. I am not into big bootie and don't need gigantic tits to be happy). Ada has an incredibly tight beautiful body, with awesome stomach musculature which one can see in its full glory especially if one is going down on her when she has an orgasm (now isn't that a nice visual). Her face is very pretty and cute. When she gave me a private dance she was really a turn on for me, so I knew it would be good for me with her. Very sweet, soft, docile personality. Ada is in a different category than the blond goddess, Taya. Ada has positive aspects of charm all her own that Taya does not posses. They are two totally different experiences.

LilJoey
04-03-11, 12:41
QUOTE. LIljoey.

I have been reading this board for some time and have benefitted from the advice given by those hearty explorers who have blazed a trail before me in the various countries I have visited so far in pursuit of 'the hobby'.

This is my first post. The reason I make a post now is that I never before felt I had anything to contribute to the forum in the form of new information that wasn't completely repetitive. QUOTE.

This is what I mean about Liljoey being Humble?

Had he posted before on Taya of Rio? , I would have gone straight for her.

Also, he seems to have a wealth of info on Kiev. Dear Jojosun,

Missed your post yesterday as I've been busy chasing tail to all hours this weekend as I traveled back to San Jose, CR for this weekend on a ticket I received for free when I got bumped last year and the ticket was expiring. So I'm back at the Hotel Delrey after a hiatus of a year during which I explored various cities in Dominican Republic when I wasn't traveling to Europe, and I have to say that the prettiest girls I had here in San Jose were prettier than the prettiest girls I had in Dominican Republic. So I'm keeping CR on my list when airfares are low.

Regarding whether I'm humble or not, the jury's still out. There are those who say, yes, and there are those who say, no, and then there's a third position that says that really I'm not but I just want everyone to think I am, but they don't know what they're fucking talking about. LOL.

In all seriousness though, I have had five trips to Kiev, the first of which was October 2009. In my first trips I slavishly was following the advice posted by others on this forum and rented an apartment instead of hotel, went to River Palace a whole lot, began to experiment with a previous iteration of what is now the top-modals. Com website, and went to a few strip clubs, a favorite pastime when I just want some entertainment and I've had enough p4p. I never got a handle on the nightclub scene and how to find the WG's in that environment. But I was happy with RP and top models and being in Kiev. I was a newbie. There was really nothing I could add. Getting girls from River Palace requires no brain.

I never had any idea about the take home policy at Rio until I jokingly asked one of the managers there what the girl smiling at me wanted. I had taken her for a private dance and she didn't speak much English and she was sitting there smiling at me. He said she wanted me to take her home. I sat there in shock. How many times had I pined for a stripper in NY or FL or Vegas or wherever strip club and tried to chat them up, get their number and all to no avail (with one awesome exception) , Now I had heard the truly unexpected and was sure he was kidding. But no he said it was true, for 300 USD. I didn't move on it then as I had a date for later in evening already. But I came back to Rio again my next trip with the idea of finding the right girl for that purpose and following thru, having made peace with the sum demanded for the pleasure. That's when I first met Taya. I was with her twice that trip. It was March of 2010. I also went to Mandarin club upon advice of one of the Rio managers and pulled a girl from there. Both were good experiences, but very pricey, and far above the price the writers on this forum were recommending be the maximum paid to a girl from River Palace or wherever, so it didn't occur to me to post. I was also in Kiev in November 2010 and Taya claimed to have her period so no dates. And most recently in February 2011, I looked for her but didn't spot her.

During preparation for these last two post River Palace trips I read the forum to try to glean some usable info on where to find the girls who used to go to the River Palace, and became dissatisfied with the level of guidance on this search contained in the forum. So I decided to finally post something. Sorry if my metamorphasis into a poster was delayed until this, but now I'm on board, and will try to contribute info of useful quality. So don't feel everyone's enjoying Taya's company but you. I haven't seen her since last March over a year ago. But oh the memories. And beware the caveat thrown in by the Knight in his recent post regarding her level of service which might be uneven.

Best regards,

LJ