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Hi there somebody knows what's happen when the block your accound on mamba / flirt? Otherwise I'll open another but I have to re make a lot of work.
IT
Hi IT.
Three years ago it also happend to me.
Like I remember I found a adminsitration contact information on the site of mamba.
I described them my problem and they reopened my account within 24 hours.
Like I remember they send me a new passwort to my mail adress which I gave them during registration process.
HunterDave
04-03-11, 17:47
Hi there somebody knows what's happen when the block your accound on mamba / flirt? Otherwise I'll open another but I have to re make a lot of work.
ITIT,
Some will say it cannot be done, but I have had mine unblocked before. Just write to Mamba admin.
Hunter Dave
Wow! What a cool dude boys & girls.
Danish is up for everything & more.
My first time here & hes a veteran, good man!
Theres a chick in my bed freeby as you call it, bareback hottie.
Danish has work, however I stayed back & played the game.
Unfortunately I forgot to stop the whiskey so here I am.
&1054; 96*9&1047; &1047; *1047; 6*1047; 6. Olesya. Ukraine, Kiev 22 Year, Aquarius.
Fake! Multiple profiles with same number. However 27 years old reasonably good looking from what I seen of her. $100 & will charge taxi or try work more money out of you. Now looking back I'd probably do a yes to this lady.
&1054; .9. 7. O. O. O. I. I. 2. &1054; Alina Ukraine, Kiev 21 years, Cancer.
Fake! Actually 28, nice enough girl. Average looking. $80 will ask for taxi fare. Does not speak english thought the supposed Alina I spoke to did over the phone. We also agreed total $80's include taxi over phone.
0994444495 Anna Zelenskaya Ukraine, Kiev Year 1923, Scorpio.
I think the photos are real! Well take & positioned. However be warned! Nice enough personality, however she does not go to the dentist, & is way way way below what I was expecting. 500gr did not ask for taxi money, took & hour to reach me. I didn't want to but I did. On the effort of her journey & building the I can do anything! Rocky Balboa moment.
Do not have number I provided my number at time. Marina Ukraine, Kiev 21 years, Aquarius.
Fake! $100 & taxi request. I offered $70 for being fake, as memtioned over the internet & phone only real! Was guarenteed. However still fake. Did not accept $70 so nothing happened. 26 years average looking. With such beautiful photos & one of my first plays this was a let down. Avoid! Also I saw her before come to me. With the girl at the top my first listing. They work together I have no doubt part of the same group.
(&1054; 96) 4&1054; I 6I &1054; &1047; Alika Ukraine, Kiev 20 years, Libra.
Fake! I really wanted to fuck this girl. What I got was a monster really avoid! Unless you like fucking stinky ass, over grown chicks. 700gr.
O98-77-&1047; 1-&1063; 5O Irusya Ukraine, Kiev 20 years, Cancer.
Fake! I really really wanted to fuck this girl. Another monster with lack luster performance. That kind of shape & attitude that just puts you off. 700gr.
Watch the numbers if you on mamba or flirt whatever associated site.
Hopefully this will help in your better choice selection. Good detective work from a good Mongering Samaritan.
It goes to show the improtance of research and reading the Forum.
Otherwise Kiev can end uo being more of Post Vodka&Beer Economics, than Quality Mongering at reasonable prices.
IT,
Some will say it cannot be done, but I have had mine unblocked before. Just write to Mamba admin.
Hunter DaveI did. They did not ever answer but the site is unblocked.
I think it depends on the fact of reaching the daily maximum number of contacts (30) several times. Just sblocked the day after. So I will limit my new daily contacts to 15 or so (and backupr the important info of the slected girls).
IT
While I was using Mamba / flirt same thing. I got the 30 message block daily, however on some days I could post unlimited (I payed nothing). Then for a few days, back to 30 messages (Yes I'm talking new profiles only).
Do yourself a favour re-send the same message to EVERYBODY! Make a good message not long & thats your opener. Otherwise takes 10x longer to specify to each interest. You can also follow up with a second message to all replies depending on the response with a minor tweak here or there.
Maybe you were being to direct & going straight for the pussy! . & to many members in 24 hour sitting placed a complaint against you.
I got some refusal to talk messages in my mass copy & paste movement.
Best
While I was using Mamba / flirt same thing. I got the 30 message block daily, however on some days I could post unlimited (I payed nothing). Then for a few days, back to 30 messages (Yes I'm talking new profiles only).
Do yourself a favour re-send the same message to EVERYBODY! Make a good message not long & thats your opener. Otherwise takes 10x longer to specify to each interest. You can also follow up with a second message to all replies depending on the response with a minor tweak here or there.
Maybe you were being to direct & going straight for the pussy! . & to many members in 24 hour sitting placed a complaint against you.
I got some refusal to talk messages in my mass copy & paste movement.
BestI think you are right. But I have to search for my jewels. Eh eh
Now the problem is solved, and by the way I copy and paste but I'm used to address to the girl with her name and a complimento (hair, body, eyes, or on a specific photo) so I got only one or two refuse to talk in a couple of years so.
In tis way It seems a personal message, you just write a name and three words the rest is standard.
By the way I found again this profile (there re at least two with the same girl, it's in Moscow, but it makes no difference.)
http://flirt.com.ua/taperu27/
And of course she is only an ad. In Moscow a such object asking for 2. 000 or 50 € per hour. Apart another girl I saw some years a go (a skinny red, freckled Ukranian) she is one of the most beautiful bodies I have ever seen: on a 1-10 scale she gets a full 11!
I can imagine in my hometown entering in a restaurant with that blonde in that red dress.
IT
Insomniaque
04-07-11, 09:02
By the way I found again this profile (there re at least two with the same girl, it's in Moscow, but it makes no difference.)
http://flirt.com.ua/taperu27/Those high heels (photo no. 16) just remind me how fetishist I am. OMFG.
Out of curiosity, why do you bother browsing profiles in Moscow? Another of your regular destinations?
Markharding
04-07-11, 18:11
So where are the "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq?
Oh. I can hear a pin drop!
Quote Originally Posted by HunterDave View Post.
Pierre,
French are 'full' of themselves. As for your comment about retarded inbred American peckerwoods, I have to speak up. I do not remember any Frenchmen at least twice in the last 100 years not 'bitching' about we 'retards' when they were having their asses handed to them on the battlefield and help was needed.
This is a note I got from a good buddy.
"You could have heard a pin drop"
At a time when US politicians, wanting to be politically correct, tend to apologize for America's prior actions, here's a refresher on how some US patriots handled negative comments about America.
JFK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when George DeGaulle decided to pull out of NATO. DeGaulle said he wanted all US military out of France as soon as possible.
Rusk responded,"Does that include those who are buried here?" DeGaulle did not respond.
You could have heard a pin drop.
When in England, at a fairly large conference, GEN Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of 'empire building' by George Bush.
He answered by saying,"Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return."
You could have heard a pin drop.
There was a conference in France where a number of international engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a break, one of the French engineers came back into the room saying,"Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intend to do, bomb them?"
One of the Americans present stood up and replied quietly: "Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed 3, 000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and from their flight deck. We have eleven such ships; how many does France have?"
You could have heard a pin drop.
A USA Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included Admirals from the USA, English, Canadian, Australian and French Navies At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that, whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English. He then asked,"Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than speaking French?"
Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied,"Maybe it's because the Brit's, Canadians, Aussie's and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German."
You could have heard a pin drop.
AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE.
Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on."You have been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked sarcastically.
Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously."Then you should know enough to have your passport ready."
The American said,"The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it." "Impossible. Americans always have to show their passports on arrival in France!"
The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly explained, 'Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in 1944 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to."
You could have heard a pin drop.
Hunter Dave
"You know a horny fabolous,." contact? [Email address deleted by Admin]
Unfortunately I do not have enough cash for that.
Three wonders of Kiev? (apart the wonderful teens).
- the fabolous central market with the fish stands and wonderful types of caviar, sturgeon and salmon. And the Turkish vegetables.
- wonderful small eateries in Podol, from Georgian to Armenian, from jewish to Russian.
- if you are clever enough and have enough cash you can even live better than in Paris or Berlin where you do not have crowds of avaliable teens.
If you orient yourself to 23-27 whyear old females (could still be by far my daughters. Ihihih) usually they are totally for free or for some gift or shopping. Duos, lesbos are quite normal.
One of the best pros ever found (in reality a Russian. English interpreter) L o l I t a. Who knows understands. Has been hired since 2009 as an interpreter from a businessman.
You know a horny fabolous, always wet. Skinny reddish almost lesbian wanting to go with you for her favourite sport: teen hunting. Can't even imagine. (PS the BBBJ + CIM + FACIAL + HJ of Miss L. Is still, for me, the best ever got.)
IT
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Reiner Otto
04-08-11, 11:05
Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied,"Maybe it's because the Brit's, Canadians, Aussie's and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German."<
Hm, sounds like this guy forgot about the Millions of soldiers, coming from the East, to make this possible for the few mentioned. Or he did not learn about it?
My ancestorrs would have had an easy going, in case there were only the few ones mentioned.
American nationalismUS crakers as Bubba always forget that if frenchs hadn't participated to the American revolution, they would be eating fishn'chips instead of stuffing themselves with hamburgers. LOL.
Anyway France-bashing is out of style. That "freedom fries" bullcrap is SO 2003! The French didn't overrun Europe and carve out the second biggest overseas empire in history by being cowards.
Hello, to every one
I have just came back from Kiev. And it was a fantastic trip I really enjoyed the City and the girls! I had different girls every day in my apartment. Tanks to you here I decide to go to Kiev so thanks a lot for the information and help. I relied only to mamba to find the girls and have contacted several girls before I went, but all the girls that I have contacted and came to my apartments they was not the the same girls on the mamba photo, all of them told me yes I am the girls on the photo even when I told them if you are not the same I will send you away, but still the girls showing up where very fuckuble, and I paid from 60/75 Euros + Taxi (35 grivnia) and I think none of them where freebie. So please it is some thing normal that I never get the real girl from mamba? It is some thing of luck to have the same girl on photo on mamba? When I asked one girls she told me that girls don't want to show there face that's why put fake photo. And another thing I called the girls from mamba to arrange the meeting when are next to my apartment they call me but then when I go outside to meet them and pay the taxi, the girl she does not speak English at all, so on the mobile I did not spoke with the same girls that shows up, so I really don't know what was going on, so probably there are some girls live together and they make there living in this way, and the girls that can speak English make the dealing also for there friends or something like this. But all in all very positive and addictive experience
Amunra
Me and You
04-08-11, 20:34
Hello, to every one
English make the dealing also for there friends or something like this. But all in all very positive and addictive experience
AmunraFriend these profiles are for agencies. One operator who answered in english then they send you the any available girl. Sometimes you get the same girls in photos. But many agencies on site. Anyway. Good that you enjoyed it. Good luck.
Hello, to every one
I have just came back from Kiev. And it was a fantastic trip. But all the girls that I have contacted and came to my apartments they was not the the same girls on the mamba photo. The girl she does not speak English at all,
AmunraThe girl you spoke to in English was the phone girl / booker for an agency or a girl apartment (like a privat) even though she will pretend to be the individual girl you think you are calling and of course fake photos are used as their advertisements on mamba and other websites. I have written this before, and many others have written the same before me, so it was possible to know this by reading the forum before you even went to Kiev.
The good news is that the girls who actually showed up for the appointments with you were good looking enough to please you! But this is a matter of chance. So you should regard yourself as lucky.
I would like to invite the brain trust comprised of the writers on this forum to give thought to developing a strategy to counteract the current way the agencies and girl apartments are working currently in Kiev. There isd no reason that we must simply accept the ridiculous status quo of bait and switch operations, where we wait to see how horrible the girl is that they are sending (since we know the pictures were fake) or whether we will be lucky that an acceptably nice looking girl will show up completely by chance.
I have been thinking that one method is for us to try to go to the source where the girls are being dispatched from (if they are located in an apartment somewhere downtown) and in this way get to inspect the entire brood at one time and see if there are any true hotties there, get their names, and make up an agreement with the manager to select the ones I want to come to my apartment for appointments.
I propose to do this research in any spare time during my upcoming weekends in Kiev on April 14 and April 28. I am concerned about security in doing this, and invite any of you that will be in Kiev at the same time as me to join up as wingmen. Otherwise, I will probably try to find a local driver who will go with me and be some security in this endeavor. We can turn the tables on the bait and switch operations if we can find our way to their apartments to inspect the merchandise in advance. Then the information and recommendations about girls who are good could be posted here. What a different scenario Kiev could be if we knew who the hotties were and where to contact them to invite them to come for appointments.
Any other ideas?
LJ
Before I wend to Kiev I have spend lot of time reading your posts but from what I have read I made the conclusion that there is the chance of fake photos on mamba not that is the rule that the photos are fake and mamba is a place where agencies make there fake advertisements like other escort websites! Regarding your idea to go to the source I can not help you now because I am not going to Kiev soon but if I was there I think I will help you to do it. I tried to ask a girl how does this thing work the (call a girl on mamba and she speak English but another one shows up and different from the photo) but she seams that she did in want to tell me so I did not insist. So for me is not a big deal that the photos are fake I wish that I have get the girls that I have seen on mamba photo but not knowing what is coming to you it is very exciting but may be because I like the surprises only one girl I have not accept because she was little ugly but still I have paid the Taxi to her but this is me I am to good and of course I didn't want any trouble I was there the first time and completely alone
Explorer69
04-09-11, 15:49
The girl you spoke to in English was the phone girl / booker for an agency or a girl apartment (like a privat) even though she will pretend to be the individual girl you think you are calling and of course fake photos are used as their advertisements on mamba and other websites. I have written this before, and many others have written the same before me, so it was possible to know this by reading the forum before you even went to Kiev.
The good news is that the girls who actually showed up for the appointments with you were good looking enough to please you! But this is a matter of chance. So you should regard yourself as lucky.
I would like to invite the brain trust comprised of the writers on this forum to give thought to developing a strategy to counteract the current way the agencies and girl apartments are working currently in Kiev. There isd no reason that we must simply accept the ridiculous status quo of bait and switch operations, where we wait to see how horrible the girl is that they are sending (since we know the pictures were fake) or whether we will be lucky that an acceptably nice looking girl will show up completely by chance.
I have been thinking that one method is for us to try to go to the source where the girls are being dispatched from (if they are located in an apartment somewhere downtown) and in this way get to inspect the entire brood at one time and see if there are any true hotties there, get their names, and make up an agreement with the manager to select the ones I want to come to my apartment for appointments.
I propose to do this research in any spare time during my upcoming weekends in Kiev on April 14 and April 28. I am concerned about security in doing this, and invite any of you that will be in Kiev at the same time as me to join up as wingmen. Otherwise, I will probably try to find a local driver who will go with me and be some security in this endeavor. We can turn the tables on the bait and switch operations if we can find our way to their apartments to inspect the merchandise in advance. Then the information and recommendations about girls who are good could be posted here. What a different scenario Kiev could be if we knew who the hotties were and where to contact them to invite them to come for appointments.
Any other ideas?
LJThis is a good idea! I also believe there are 2 ways:
1. To go to the source and inspect the girls. That is why I like to go to clubs etc and see what I get.
2. The other way around is to tell on the phone that you send the girl back if she is switched! I always turn such girls in the door unless the girl that comes is really beautiful. However, we should give the girl taxi money, because she is usually innocent, she is just sent and know nothing about what has been said before. She is innocent, but she has to pay herself if she is sent back without taxi money. If you send back it can be easier to do so if you meet her on the street?
This is a good idea! I also believe there are 2 ways:
1. To go to the source and inspect the girls. That is why I like to go to clubs etc and see what I get.
2. The other way around is to tell on the phone that you send the girl back if she is switched! I always turn such girls in the door unless the girl that comes is really beautiful. However, we should give the girl taxi money, because she is usually innocent, she is just sent and know nothing about what has been said before. She is innocent, but she has to pay herself if she is sent back without taxi money. If you send back it can be easier to do so if you meet her on the street? Dear Explorer69,
I don't disagree with anything you've written, but the point I'm trying to address is how to improve our situation with respect to girls advertising on the internet on mamba. Ru or top-modals. Com or other websites that are using fake photos and "bait and switch" tactics which wastes our time and prevents us from being able to select the girl that we want.
Obviously, you can see the girls in advance in Rio strip club or any nightclub where WG's hang out, but they are generally quite expensive.
It is the reasonable prices of girls on internet of 600 UAH or even 800 UAH that make it an important area of inquiry. If you can come up with suggestions how to improve our abilities to get the girls we want and change the status quo of how it works now where we just wait to see what "surprise" will arrive at our door, that would be the help I am asking for.
Best regards,
LJ
http://escort-models.com/en/girls/call-girls/ucraina/alena_308.html
Nice cool girl. 23 probably. No where near the sophistication of the link pictures.
Though up for a fuck! Sporty & strongest girl I've been with here since.
Did not like kissing her at all, though did like fucking harder than usual. Due to her flirty athleticism.
If the model on profile was a 10. She would get a 5 maybe 6.
With that said however, remember fucking & looks are different gentlemen.
My dick is reasonably happy, my tongue is not.
Hello, to every one
I have just came back from Kiev. And it was a fantastic trip I really enjoyed the City and the girls! I had different girls every day in my apartment. Tanks to you here I decide to go to Kiev so thanks a lot for the information and help. I relied only to mamba to find the girls and have contacted several girls before I went, but all the girls that I have contacted and came to my apartments they was not the the same girls on the mamba photo, all of them told me yes I am the girls on the photo even when I told them if you are not the same I will send you away, but still the girls showing up where very fuckuble, and I paid from 60/75 Euros + Taxi (35 grivnia) and I think none of them where freebie. So please it is some thing normal that I never get the real girl from mamba? It is some thing of luck to have the same girl on photo on mamba? When I asked one girls she told me that girls don't want to show there face that's why put fake photo. And another thing I called the girls from mamba to arrange the meeting when are next to my apartment they call me but then when I go outside to meet them and pay the taxi, the girl she does not speak English at all, so on the mobile I did not spoke with the same girls that shows up, so I really don't know what was going on, so probably there are some girls live together and they make there living in this way, and the girls that can speak English make the dealing also for there friends or something like this. But all in all very positive and addictive experience
AmunraNice! Any 10. 9's. 8's. You could forward me the contacts. I seem to be bonking overall average! Though I have not really been in the clubs much. I been ordering room service.
You probably pretty accurate with that dynamic of dealing with "us" being the customers. Lady english etc.
I never had the real girl on mamba bad once! & she was worse than all of them in the looks department as I mentioned in a previous post. Just took the best fucking pictures of the century!
I even had a fake show me her new profile online, she was hot enough compared to most the mamba / flirt girls.
However I can guarantee you the new girl pic's she posted of the her on profile was like. UnBeLieVable!
She's like this is me! I'm like very interesting, she is well fine. Like the best pussy available online. However you get a cute psychology student with dimples. Like I said way better than most that has knocked on my door.
Dear Explorer69,
I don't disagree with anything you've written, but the point I'm trying to address is how to improve our situation with respect to girls advertising on the internet on mamba. Ru or top-modals. Com or other websites that are using fake photos and "bait and switch" tactics which wastes our time and prevents us from being able to select the girl that we want.
Obviously, you can see the girls in advance in Rio strip club or any nightclub where WG's hang out, but they are generally quite expensive.
It is the reasonable prices of girls on internet of 600 UAH or even 800 UAH that make it an important area of inquiry. If you can come up with suggestions how to improve our abilities to get the girls we want and change the status quo of how it works now where we just wait to see what "surprise" will arrive at our door, that would be the help I am asking for.
Best regards,
LJLife is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you going to fuck.
To be honest I have seen 16 women now. & only 2 have been real & not near what I expected.
Their is an echo. An echo. Echo.
Really the level of beauty in the clubs you can meet. Surpass the net easy!
Really the level of beauty in the clubs you can meet. Surpass the net easy!
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How accurate is this internet site with the quality of women fella's?
Experienced site players please respond.
Explorer69
04-10-11, 02:31
Dear Explorer69,
I don't disagree with anything you've written, but the point I'm trying to address is how to improve our situation with respect to girls advertising on the internet on mamba. Ru or top-modals. Com or other websites that are using fake photos and "bait and switch" tactics which wastes our time and prevents us from being able to select the girl that we want.
Obviously, you can see the girls in advance in Rio strip club or any nightclub where WG's hang out, but they are generally quite expensive.
It is the reasonable prices of girls on internet of 600 UAH or even 800 UAH that make it an important area of inquiry. If you can come up with suggestions how to improve our abilities to get the girls we want and change the status quo of how it works now where we just wait to see what "surprise" will arrive at our door, that would be the help I am asking for.
Best regards,
LJI think I answered:
The other way around is to tell on the phone that you send the girl back if she is switched! I always turn such girls in the door unless the girl that comes is really beautiful. However, we should give the girl taxi money, because she is usually innocent, she is just sent and know nothing about what has been said before. She is innocent, but she has to pay herself if she is sent back without taxi money. If you send back it can be easier to do so if you meet her on the street?
If this happens regularly, they will stop! But I am convinced that there will always be too many guys who do not do so, we are fighting a losing battle! But I am happy to do it, turm away the wrong girl, but give her taxi money!
How accurate is this internet site with the quality of women fella's?
Experienced site players please respond. Dear Mystery77,
I should be painfully obvious to you by now, both from reading what is written on this forum, as well as your own reported experiences of getting fake girl after fake girl from your efforts on Mamba, that there is no accuracy to any of the current websites in Kiev. Instead, they all use fake photos. You have written that you are booking average girls. This is the result of you relying on the internet girls who use the fake photos to get you to call them.
If you enjoy really hot girls (9's and 10's) , which it seems you do from your post about the beauty that is available in the clubs, then you need to realize that in the current situation it will be very difficult to get a 9 or a 10 girl to come to you from mamba or other websites.
This is because those who created the websites or who advertise on mamba have complete contempt for you and all the other sex tourists to Kiev at which these advertisements are directed. They seek to "bait" and seduce you into calling them to come to your apartment despite the fact that they look NOTHING like the hot girls in the photos they posted on the website. Just accept it. These are the facts.
So what you will get from calling a girl from the internet, is completely a result of chance. However, the statistical fact that there are a lot of cute gilrs in Kiev in the general population may give you a better chance of getting a decent looking girl who is reasonably slim and nice looking. However, don't hold your breath waiting for a 9 or a 10 to show up at your door by accident or chance.
Currently if you want a 9 or a 10, you will have to go to clubs where they are and pay through your nose for it.
I have noticed that there are a lot of internet sites with really hot photos that are asking prices like 800 UAH, but there are also other websites with prices of 150 Euro / hr or 200 Euro / hr. Does anyone think that the fact that ridiculously high prices for Kiev are being asked on some websites means that the girls are actually as beautiful as shown in the photos? We would so much want to believe it is so. It is perhaps worth a try. Obviously if they send an average looking girl instead of the beauty you expect based on the photo ad, you should simply send the girl away, especially at their very high prices. All they will have wasted is your Time.
But the above situation is the reason that I am looking for a solution to change things.
I have made a 1st suggestion previously, of trying to go to the girls' apartments to inspect who is there and see if there are any true hotties available, and to report this information, and build a list of hotties available at the various apartment locations.
A 2nd suggestion is that what we need in Kiev is a trustworthy website for girls with verified photos. So if there is anyone out there on this forum with the technical know-how to set up a website for "Verified Kiev Girls", that should not be accessible within Ukraine (so the girls will have less concern that their photos are on it) , and that will have someone independent from this forum with control over the reviews (so we can rely on it) , then we could start notifying any true hotties we meet at clubs or on mamba to list themselves with a free ad on this website, and since they are actually hot, it will definitely increase their business.
Dear Mystery77,
I should be painfully obvious to you by now, both from reading what is written on this forum, as well as your own reported experiences of getting fake girl after fake girl from your efforts on Mamba, that there is no accuracy to any of the current websites in Kiev. Instead, they all use fake photos. You have written that you are booking average girls. This is the result of you relying on the internet girls who use the fake photos to get you to call them.
If you enjoy really hot girls (9's and 10's) , which it seems you do from your post about the beauty that is available in the clubs, then you need to realize that in the current situation it will be very difficult to get a 9 or a 10 girl to come to you from mamba or other websites.
This is because those who created the websites or who advertise on mamba have complete contempt for you and all the other sex tourists to Kiev at which these advertisements are directed. They seek to "bait" and seduce you into calling them to come to your apartment despite the fact that they look NOTHING like the hot girls in the photos they posted on the website. Just accept it. These are the facts.
So what you will get from calling a girl from the internet, is completely a result of chance. However, the statistical fact that there are a lot of cute gilrs in Kiev in the general population may give you a better chance of getting a decent looking girl who is reasonably slim and nice looking. However, don't hold your breath waiting for a 9 or a 10 to show up at your door by accident or chance.
Currently if you want a 9 or a 10, you will have to go to clubs where they are and pay through your nose for it.
I have noticed that there are a lot of internet sites with really hot photos that are asking prices like 800 UAH, but there are also other websites with prices of 150 Euro / hr or 200 Euro / hr. Does anyone think that the fact that ridiculously high prices for Kiev are being asked on some websites means that the girls are actually as beautiful as shown in the photos? We would so much want to believe it is so. It is perhaps worth a try. Obviously if they send an average looking girl instead of the beauty you expect based on the photo ad, you should simply send the girl away, especially at their very high prices. All they will have wasted is your Time.
But the above situation is the reason that I am looking for a solution to change things.
I have made a 1st suggestion previously, of trying to go to the girls' apartments to inspect who is there and see if there are any true hotties available, and to report this information, and build a list of hotties available at the various apartment locations.
A 2nd suggestion is that what we need in Kiev is a trustworthy website for girls with verified photos. So if there is anyone out there on this forum with the technical know-how to set up a website for "Verified Kiev Girls", that should not be accessible within Ukraine (so the girls will have less concern that their photos are on it) , and that will have someone independent from this forum with control over the reviews (so we can rely on it) , then we could start notifying any true hotties we meet at clubs or on mamba to list themselves with a free ad on this website, and since they are actually hot, it will definitely increase their business.
I second that!
I don't have such a technical expertise. But the next time I'm in Kiev, if you are up to it, I'd join you on the expedition to the apartments.
I'd think that, however, these apartments you are talking about should already be operating as massage parlors or salons, don't you think?
How about throwing a River Palace Reunion for girls somewhere in Kiev :) ?
I think I answered:
The other way around is to tell on the phone that you send the girl back if she is switched! I always turn such girls in the door unless the girl that comes is really beautiful. However, we should give the girl taxi money, because she is usually innocent, she is just sent and know nothing about what has been said before. She is innocent, but she has to pay herself if she is sent back without taxi money. If you send back it can be easier to do so if you meet her on the street?
If this happens regularly, they will stop! But I am convinced that there will always be too many guys who do not do so, we are fighting a losing battle! But I am happy to do it, turm away the wrong girl, but give her taxi money! It's apparent you didn't get the point of what I wrote to you. Perhaps the fault is mine in the way I expressed my thought. But let me try to make it clearer for you. You are apparently content with the current system where we call and invite girls who are using fake pictures and then we wait to see what type of girl actually shows up, and if she is not to our liking, then we send her away with taxi money. I am NOT satisfied with this system and consider it a large waste of time. I don't come to Kiev to be with average looking girls. I am not as forgiving as you toward the system where average looking girls use fake photos of hot models to get us to invite them to our apartments. I am only interested in being with girls who are like in the fake photos who are 9's and 10's. Anything that prevents that, I consider a waste of my time. So I reject the internet girls system currently in place in Kiev and would like to find a way to change the whole system so I can choose a girl who is a beauty like in the photos and get her, with no surprises and no waiting to see and then sending her away.
Currently, I am only able to get the kind of girls that I want at clubs. But it is too expensive.
I would like to find or create a solution that will allow me to get girls as hot and beautiful as in the photos for 600 UAH or 800 UAH from the internet. Is it possible? I asked for suggestions on how THIS can be accomplished. We shall see.
Hope you understand what I am after now.
Best regards,
LJ
I second that!
I don't have such a technical expertise. But the next time I'm in Kiev, if you are up to it, I'd join you on the expedition to the apartments.
I'd think that, however, these apartments you are talking about should already be operating as massage parlors or salons, don't you think? Dear Sorbonne,
You are correct. I too believe that what we are dealing with are agencies or groups of girls who are already working out of an apartment or salon of some sort. They have resorted to advertising in a clever way on the internet to draw in business from foreigners who are searching for p4p girls on today's forum of choice namely, the internet. Who would take the time to create an escort website complete with pictures? Clearly only a business that had girls available for escort. There are two possibilities. (1) that the girls remain in their own homes or doing their own stuff until called and they have merely listed their contact info with the agency phone girl who calls them when there is a call, or (2) the girls are already in business in an apartment or in an agency salon for incall or outcall from there and they are trying to expand their business by advertising on the internet. By calling the telephone numbers on the website ads and asking if we can come to their apartment and more importantly, how many girls are available for us to meet at their apartment, we can determine more accurately what we are dealing with. I am interested in visiting only those locations with a fair number of girls available to meet at one time. Otherwise the effort will be too time consuming.
In furtherance of this plan for research, I have analyzed an escort website whose pictures I like very much, namely, www.escort-models.com. I have sorted the girls by telephone number. I have found that most of the numerous girls on that website have listed one or the other of five (5) main telephone numbers. There were three possibilities. (1) all 5 phone numbers are for one apartment location. (2) there are actually five different apartments, each with a bunch of girls there. (3) the five numbers all go to the same phone booker for the agency who calls their girls from a list and there is no apartment where the girls are sitting and waiting for business. So I called some of the numbers and I reached someone at two of the phone numbers so far. Both times I was told I could come to meet the girls at an apartment. The address of the apartment was given as 36B or 36 Lesi Ukrainki Blvd. This indicated that it is likely that all the numbers are for one location. When I asked how many girls were there to meet, I was told it depends and to call when I am ready to come. When I asked what is the apartment number, I was told to call again when I am at the building and she will give the apartment number. It sounds like it is worth checking out. But I don't want to go alone to an apartment somewhere in Kiev as I don't know for sure what is waiting there. We have all read stories of girls luring guys to their apartment where goons are waiting to rob them and throw them out. So this is best done by two or three guys going together and / or with a local taxi driver in tow. After we know that it is a legitimate brothel or salon, others can go with no concern or worry.
I will be in Kiev for two weekends April 14 and April 28, if anyone is interested in pursuing this matter.
Best regards,
LJ
I've enjoyed the the experience of the "fakes," & I've had a few girls that I've seen again & intend to. As particularly 2have been welll worth the effort.
Though I think its time to start making a move into the club scene for myself personally more than room service.
As on the 1 of 2 occassions I went out. I picked up a freeby. So lots of variation can happen.
Also I, we were shaken down by the cops. Danish & myself on the other occassion out. One of the cops "birthday" you understand. Not much 50gr though the situation.
As I was reading below, I've had quite a few private posts. & 1 problem with driving around looking for the girls as was mentioned by a seasoned player; to cut it short "I decided I have had enough trying to find my haven, driving around to long here there." Plus they change locations, jobs, retire from the fuck scene, just want income for the moment. Emergency or so a piece of gold. Whatever! Whatever a person could be interested in.
& verified photos for the most part are "BULLSHIT". However again I have not bonked every verifed girl on a site (though it sounds like a good idea) then one could work out the average 60% in favour. 40% against.
One woman that come over to my little place my apartment, supposedly spoke english & stripteased. When I asked her can you striptease she could of turned green in the face haha! I paid 1000gr & she was lovely woman.
But even with these verified photos, the photos maybe 3, 5 or more years old. Tits enlarged twice as big! Firm sharp looking. What you get is floppy dice.
Don't get wrong gentlemen, I'm very happy with my learnings & experiences here. Kiev rocks, the women are awesome, I got more respect for a lot of the working girls here, than the so called family girls etc back in other countries I have circulated.
Anyone been to the redlight district in Amsterdam. Compared their is no comparison. Those over rated, over charging, over egotistical dolls. Better jerk off & find a girlfriend instead.
How about throwing a River Palace Reunion for girls somewhere in Kiev :) ?Great Suggestion, Sorbonne!
The goal should be to collect the contact info and photos of all girls who attend to be accessible only on secure website to members of this forum, and not accessible in Ukraine to preserve their privacy. Girls should want it because it will increase their business. It will help solve the problem of chasing these girls all over various clubs in Kiev. This idea goes hand in hand with my own suggestion to start a "Verified Kiev Girls" website.
Would need to figure out how best to publicise and advertise event amongst the girls.
A suitable venue must be found to host event, which Kiev veterans should discuss. And sufficient time for interested forum members to plan travel schedules to be able to attend as well as give their financial support to sponsor event must be given too.
LJ
I think I answered:
The other way around is to tell on the phone that you send the girl back if she is switched! I always turn such girls in the door unless the girl that comes is really beautiful. However, we should give the girl taxi money, because she is usually innocent, she is just sent and know nothing about what has been said before. She is innocent, but she has to pay herself if she is sent back without taxi money. If you send back it can be easier to do so if you meet her on the street?
If this happens regularly, they will stop! But I am convinced that there will always be too many guys who do not do so, we are fighting a losing battle! But I am happy to do it, turm away the wrong girl, but give her taxi money!I never gave taxi money or stayed at an apartment out of principle. It's an idiotic assumption that the girls are innocent! They are anything but! They know the scam and willingly participate in it without any regard for our time, money or anything else! They could not care less about you, so why should I care about them?
I walked away from one chick who could be a real model, her only fault was she was not the girl in the picture. You should have seen her face! . She probably has never been rejected in her entire life!
Keep the girls in line!
The problem. Agencies putting some hottie's photos up and then sending you an average at best girl.
The solution. When you think things seem to be too good to be true (they usually are). Meet the girl outside near your building. Let the girl know if the photos aren't real you will just send the girl away with no taxi money.
AColonizer
04-10-11, 14:31
Dear fuckers,
I am glad, finally, men are discussing about prices: beauty is not worth if it is too expensive.
Now the next step is about sexual performances: deepthroat swallow blowjobs, vaginal creampie, anal fisting, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) drinking, gangbangs, etc.
Who had these kind of experiences?
The problem. Agencies putting some hottie's photos up and then sending you an average at best girl.
The solution. When you think things seem to be too good to be true (they usually are). Meet the girl outside near your building. Let the girl know if the photos aren't real you will just send the girl away with no taxi money. CruiserD, too much time wasted that way, and you can't get real hotties like in the photos that way because they don't send them, they send average looking fakes. Therefore need better solution IMHO.
LJ
Me and You
04-10-11, 19:32
CruiserD, too much time wasted that way...LJVisiting the saloons is too much time waiting unless you live in Kiev and you discover day after day the best girls in the saloons and appartments. I suggest accumulating infos and experiences here with the best girls (fake or real) by the mongers and day after day we have more real and best girls. To get more real girls better to choose the non pink colour girls (most or many of the pink profiles are agencies) who are pro or semi pro girls (looking for sponsorship) not sex for money and with t he time you can distinguish the very professional profiles and others. I have real pretty girls in this way and try to tell them that if fotos are not real. No money no meeting and no taxi fair. And don't loose your time and my time. These semi pro girls are more hot and more opened for sex 9 kissing BBBJ cim and sometimes anal) and usually they are less milage LOL because tey don't fuck 5 or 10 men by day but they go out just when they need money for appartment or university fees or shopping.
Good luck to all.
I never gave taxi money or stayed at an apartment out of principle. It's an idiotic assumption that the girls are innocent! They are anything but! They know the scam and willingly participate in it without any regard for our time, money or anything else! They could not care less about you, so why should I care about them?
I walked away from one chick who could be a real model, her only fault was she was not the girl in the picture. You should have seen her face! . She probably has never been rejected in her entire life!
Keep the girls in line! I agree with what you wrote about the girls not being innocent, knowing the scam and willingly participate in it without regard for how it affects us. However, with the exception of a few girls on Mamba. Ru, I don't believe that the individual girls themselves are putting fake pictures on an escort website. This is the doing of the agency. But the girls know it is being done, although they haven't seen the website for the most part. The self-interested consideration of whether to give taxi fare has more to do with preserving the agency's willingness to continue to send girls to you, I should think.
But it is a given that all the websites are using fake pictures. Therefore, you should rid yourself of the expectation of the girl in the photos coming to your apartment. It is not a realistic expectation in the Kiev market as we know it to be. We can simply hope we will be lucky and benefit from the fact that Kiev has an abundance of truly pretty young women, that by chance one of the hot ones will by chance sent to our doorstep.
What I can't figure out about your post is why would you send away a girl who looks like a model, friend. You were the lucky one. All the others are getting average looking girls, and you finally get one of the model types that Kiev I'd famous for AND YOU SEND HER AWAY? Why would you do that? Please tell us that she asked for too high a price or something else was wrong with her. Otherwise, it is you who lost out on that one, friend. You were a winner at this game and simply left your winnings on the table and walked away. You had what all of us are looking for, but let it slip through your fingers. All in the name of some misguided principle of "keeping the girls inline". That's not your role in Kiev. In Kiev your job is to nail as many real hotties as time and money will allow. Keep your eye on the ball, man. Don't let opportunity to shag a model type at low reasonable price slip away from you again. 'Nuff said.
LJ.
Member #4491
04-10-11, 22:29
Jackson, I hereby suggest the installation of a section where only paying members with more than 20 posts can read or post.
This will be used as the only reliable Kiev escort reference resource. Instead of sending PM:s with reliable info to each other, users will share verified contact information here on ISG. My guess is that this will motivate even more users to pay the membership fee. Win-win.
Barba
MikeWilliams
04-10-11, 22:56
I have had a great time in Eastern Europe this last year. Some of the most amazing times of my life.
Thanks to everyone for the great reviews and information on everything. I plan to start writing about some of my adventures.
This week I had an amazing time at Shooter for ladies night on Wednesday. I am planning on being there soon tonight for another crazy Sunday.
I have been having a lot of luck on mamba and romanceinrussia. This weekend I stopped over at an expo that was going on in the city and met some hot promo models. This city is amazing!
Today, I just stayed in and relaxed with a girl I met earlier in the week. I can't believe it snowed today. I can't wait till warmer weather for all the girls to start wearing skimpier clothes.
I have yet to go to Avalon. Does anyone have any thoughts on what's the best night there?
Thanks,
Mike
I'm a newbie in mongering, so please bear with me if I make some statements that goes without saying.
I'm in Kiev for my second time now, first time was in December. That was what I would like to call a 5-day test run where I met with a woman interested in a serious relationship, tried Rakuena massage, met with one of the "pink girls" from mamba. Aka agencies, and little else.
This time I have tried to be thorough on mamba for a long time, and it has really paid off. Bigtime.
I came down on Tuesday, and had in advance agreed with an amateur student that she'd spend the night with me for 150$. Great value for money, she even offered to do the dishes before she went off for class Wednesday morning.
After some laid back time I had a party with a couple of girls from mamba on Thursday. Nothing to mention. Bit boring actually.
Friday I met the girl from Wednesday again for a sushi dinner, and we went back to my apartment for the night. Again exellent.
Saturday I actually needed to rest, must be out of shape. I went to dinner with a 21 year old possible freebie / travel companion.
Today I had a threesome in my jacuzzi with a couple of amateur girls from mamba, and made use of my new waterproof camera. I'll post a couple of pictures in the appropriate section.
Tomorrow I'll meet another possible freebie / travel companieon for coffee, and in the afternoon I have a 20 year old amateur student from mamba coming to me for som hot jacuzzi action. 100$, before I go to dinner with the girl from Tuesday and Friday.
I'm thinking of going to some clubs also, but that's more fun if you have company. I sent Danish Traveller a PM, but he misunderstood me, so he think that I'm coming down to Kiev on April 14. If you read this DT, I'm here now. You have my number on PM.
Rgs wisi
I'm a newbie in mongering,
I came down on Tuesday, and had in advance agreed with an amateur student that she'd spend the night with me for 150$. Great value for money, she even offered to do the dishes before she went off for class Wednesday morning.
After some laid back time I had a party with a couple of girls from mamba on Thursday. Nothing to mention. Bit boring actually.
Friday I met the girl from Wednesday again for a sushi dinner, and we went back to my apartment for the night. Again exellent.
Before I go to dinner with the girl from Tuesday and Friday.
Rgs wisiGood report, Wisi. It sounds like you really like Miss Tuesday / Friday. How do you rate her face and body looks and her service on a scale of 1 to 10? I will be in Kiev on April 14 for the weekend. If you'd like to go to some clubs together, let me know.
LJ
Good report, Wisi. It sounds like you really like Miss Tuesday / Friday. How do you rate her face and body looks and her service on a scale of 1 to 10? I will be in Kiev on April 14 for the weekend. If you'd like to go to some clubs together, let me know.
LJIt's just one of those times when you click 100% with a girl, so I won't even try to rate her. 24 yo. 175 cm and 58 kg with long auburn hair. That's just about how objective I can be.
We actually hit it off so well that she's coming right over after university, and although that means cancelling with the 20 year old tonight, but she's definitely worth it.
I'm going back to Norway on April 14, but returning to Kiev withing a week or two. I have plans of staying in Kiev for 3 months, so I need to find an apartment for long term rent before I go home.
Liljoey,
I am also up to only model types under the age of, say, 25. Over years I have had many of them that why settle with anything less?
But my experience or inexperience in Kiev so far tells me sadly that you pay for what you get. I have had girls for less than $100 but can't remember anyone too gorgeous.
There is one exception, but it was back in 2004! Other exceptions are some gorgeous girls at massage parlors, but sex is not included!
Gorgeous girls I've had in Kiev were always up for over $200 for a few hours. (That's still way better than in the US.)
And guess what. River Palace girls weren't cheap, either, at over $200 for a few hours.
I mean, if they are gorgeous, why would they charge less than $100?
The only way out to have gorgeous girls for less than $100 in Kiev that I came up with was to learn Russian and penetrate into the local market, even though I don't know much about local market at this time.
With all due respect to the experienced members of this august forum, I have to say the following: some may insist that they had gorgeous girls for less than $100, but when I see their photos, I don't agree that they are gorgeous.
I challenge them to show me gorgeous girls they had for less than $100 :) !
It's just one of those times when you click 100% with a girl, so I won't even try to rate her. 24 yo. 175 cm and 58 kg with long auburn hair. That's just about how objective I can be.
We actually hit it off so well that she's coming right over after university, and although that means cancelling with the 20 year old tonight, but she's definitely worth it.
I'm going back to Norway on April 14, but returning to Kiev withing a week or two. I have plans of staying in Kiev for 3 months, so I need to find an apartment for long term rent before I go home. What, what, what? You live in Norway and come to Ukraine for girls?
Please excuse me for saying this, but that's sad. IMHO, Norway has the most gorgeous girls in the world!
That said, why do I come to Ukraine instead of Norway? Well, I guess it's the same reason as yours.
Sorbonne,
I agree with your assessment that we should not expect a gorgeous girl for less than $100. Currently $100 per hour is the rate for gorgeous dancer quality girls at Rio strip club, the catch being that you must take a minimum of three hours for $300. I do remember that many hotties were available at the River Palace for $200 for two hours, which is a rate of $100 per hour also. There were also girls at the River Palace asking $300 for the same two hours ($150 per hour) , or even asking $400 for two hours ($200 per hour). I never went as high as $400 for two hours, but did have girls for $300 for two hours, which is $150 per hour, and too much to pay in Kiev, but sometimes the hour was late and no other options.
In today's environment I think it should be possible to get girls from clubs who are objectively gorgeous 9's and 10's for a rate of between $100 to $150 per hour, but you still will need to contend with a minimum number of hours of perhaps two hours, or three hours if at Rio strip club.
The question regarding gorgeous girls pictured on internet websites is complicated by fact that the websites agencies do not deliver the girl in the picture. What about the high end agencies asking 150 Euro or even 200 Euro per hour? Is there a higher chance of them delivering a truly gorgeous girl because of the higher price? I don't know the answer because I never tried them yet. I was happy enough with the $300 for three hours girls from Rio. Who knows, maybe I will try some higher priced agency just to see. Worst case scenario is if she's not really gorgeous, I would send her back.
I will be passing through London on April 13 on my way to Kiev and plan to see Gloria or possibly Amelia if she will agree to meet me after 8pm her ending time (both true supermodel 10's who I wrote about and gave their links in my first post). These girls' rates are 200 and 180 GBP respectively, way more expensive than Kiev prices. I have also found an agency asking 110 GBP (about $180) for what looks like real hotties which I might try also. That night in London will certainly take the edge off, and when I get to Kiev on April 14, I will be relaxed and take my time choosing amongst the hotties at Rio for that Thursday evening. That will be a good beginning for the weekend in Kiev.
LJ
What, what, what? You live in Norway and come to Ukraine for girls?
Please excuse me for saying this, but that's sad. IMHO, Norway has the most gorgeous girls in the world!
That said, why do I come to Ukraine instead of Norway? Well, I guess it's the same reason as yours. Yeah, looking for new experiences. And always looking for a good bargain.
Yeah, looking for new experiences. And always looking for a good bargain.I'd like to stick to Kiev because it seems to offer opportunities for 48 y. o. like me (even though I look like 38) to have relations with girls in early 20s. That's not really possible in Norway, is it? If it is, I'd go to Norway tomorrow :) .
Liljoey,
I read your very first post just now.
My hat off for your analytical and honest writing.
I seriously hope you continue to contribute to this forum for years to come!
As my 4th visit to Kiev, I spent 4 weeks there last summer, which may well have been the best summer in my life, and another week this February to catch up with my "friends" there. But I regret that I have never been to Rio or any strip clubs in Kiev.
Sorbonne, thanks for the encouraging words.
Rio is the only strip club I had been in that had a take out option. There are reports in recent postings about Solid Gold that it had take out, but pricing there may not be as good as at Rio. Rio's sister club was called Mandarin, which was on the river banks also had take out but was closed along with River Palace, but it is supposed to be reopened in town, hopefully soon. I don't know if any other strip clubs have take out. The Rhino clubs do not according to prior posts herein.
The strip club option for take out at a price of $300 for 3 hours only rose to prominence as an option, once the River Palace met its demise. At River Palace one could negotiate for 2 hours for $200 or even less depending on the time of night and the girl. So in those days the River Palace was the more economical option and the girls looked pretty good there. Both River Palace and Rio or Mandarin strip clubs had the girls all right there within reach and easily available, with none of the difficulties of chasing WG's. In regular nightclubs.
Now with the River Palace gone, Rio strip club has become an interesting option for high end girls, which you should try because you like the very good looking hotties.
LJ
I'd like to stick to Kiev because it seems to offer opportunities for 48 y. o. like me (even though I look like 38) to have relations with girls in early 20s. That's not really possible in Norway, is it? If it is, I'd go to Norway tomorrow :) .Having a relationship with a gorgeous Norwegian girl in her early twenties is not possible for a normal man our age. I'm 45 and in reasonably good shape, but they wouldn't even look at me twice.
So we are going to Kiev for the same reasons.
Wisi
Sorbonne, thanks for the encouraging words.
Rio is the only strip club I had been in that had a take out option. There are reports in recent postings about Solid Gold that it had take out, but pricing there may not be as good as at Rio. Rio's sister club was called Mandarin, which was on the river banks also had take out but was closed along with River Palace, but it is supposed to be reopened in town, hopefully soon. I don't know if any other strip clubs have take out. The Rhino clubs do not according to prior posts herein. Millennium strip bar attached to Dnipro Hotel at the end of kreshchatyk also has take out option. But it is same price as Solid Gold, I. E. $400, and selection of girls was not good. When I first went in a decade ago the layout was good with 3 dancers on separate small stages, now there is one central area for one dancer, it's very gloomy in there and staff are miserable.
I think any strip bar (with the exception of Rhino chain) will offer take outs for a price. Indeed, it would not surprise me, this being Ukraine, if you talked to a duty manager of Rhino bar, and slipped him 100UAH he could allow one of his girls to leave with you, but probably $400 as well.
Millennium strip bar attached to Dnipro Hotel at the end of kreshchatyk also has take out option. But it is same price as Solid Gold, I. E. $400, and selection of girls was not good. When I first went in a decade ago the layout was good with 3 dancers on separate small stages, now there is one central area for one dancer, it's very gloomy in there and staff are miserable.
I think any strip bar (with the exception of Rhino chain) will offer take outs for a price. Indeed, it would not surprise me, this being Ukraine, if you talked to a duty manager of Rhino bar, and slipped him 100UAH he could allow one of his girls to leave with you, but probably $400 as well. A previous post claimed that compared to the girls at Solid Gold, that the very best looking girls were to be found at the Rhino club, which Rhino club I'm not clear on.
Is it true that the girls at Rhino are far better looking than the girls at a club like Rio? If so, and a mere 100 UAH might open up such a venue to take out, then it is an investment that is well worth it. Of course, it depends on the price. If it would be $400 for three hours, then the net price of $133 / hour is certainly bearable if the Rhino girls are as spectacularly gorgeous as was described by a prior post.
If you have been at both the Rhino and Rio clubs, how would you compare the level of beauty of the girls in the two clubs?
JoeKiev2247
04-13-11, 13:48
1. In Kiev, Where can I get some condoms?
Shall I take them from home?
Or should I ask girl to bring those?
2. Will it be possible to get some like Viagra in Kiev. If possible. Then where?
3. Are they clean enogh for oral.
I know it is kind of basic things but. I want to find out.
1. In Kiev, Where can I get some condoms?
Shall I take them from home?
Or should I ask girl to bring those?
2. Will it be possible to get some like Viagra in Kiev. If possible. Then where?
3. Are they clean enogh for oral.
I know it is kind of basic things but. I want to find out. Pharmacy will have both no prescription needed. As far as oral check the last page of their passport, they are required to do weekly STD checks and get a red stamp if they are clean. You will have a blast in Ukraine.
Does anyone know the scoop on Club Paradise? Is it a new place or has it been around for a while? I just hrard about it from one of the girls I know from Rio strip club, with the implication being that Club Paradise is a strip club with take out. Does anyone know about prices at Club Paradise or how the girls there compare to the Rio girls in the looks department? The girl who mentioned it to me is quite a pretty hottie.
I'm arriving Kiev this evening and plan on checking it out, but wanted an advance on any pertinent info.
LJ
Harry Hirsch
04-14-11, 17:14
Does anyone know the scoop on Club Paradise? Is it a new place or has it been around for a while? I just hrard about it from one of the girls I know from Rio strip club, with the implication being that Club Paradise is a strip club with take out. Does anyone know about prices at Club Paradise or how the girls there compare to the Rio girls in the looks department? The girl who mentioned it to me is quite a pretty hottie.
I'm arriving Kiev this evening and plan on checking it out, but wanted an advance on any pertinent info.
LJTake a look there)
http://www.stripbars-online.net/ua/kiev/paradise-cabaret
Take a look there)
http://www.stripbars-online.net/ua/kiev/paradise-cabaretHi Harry,
Thanks. I took a look but that links to an outdated website which identifies to the Paradise Cabaret on the 8th floor at the Premier Palace Hotel. Tourist trap.
Guys, I spent Thursday night at Rio strip club and, according to the managers at Rio, the Paradise is a sister strip club and does have take out. It is a bit far out of downtown though. The address is Volodymyra Mayakovs'kogo Avenue 26 in Kiev, according to a hottie that works there. In fact the managers at Rio saiid that Rio girls rotate between the clubs. AND good news is that the Mandarin club (the other Rio sister strip club on the river, that was closed last year along with the River Palace, that had the burlesque show with pretty good singers and dancers) , is due to reopen very soon, perhaps within weeks.
JoeKiev2247
04-15-11, 13:44
Pharmacy will have both no prescription needed. As far as oral check the last page of their passport, they are required to do weekly STD checks and get a red stamp if they are clean. You will have a blast in Ukraine.Regarding for Erotic Massage Places in Kiev.
I visited numerous number of web-site for erotic massage places in Kiev.
How are these places?
And the prices they are offering for massage includes extra service (?) or I have to negotiate with girls?
Any recommendation for massage place and it's girls?
CityHunter77
04-15-11, 17:38
Great news about Mandarin.
Do you know where the location will be?
Hi Harry,
Thanks. I took a look but that links to an outdated website which identifies to the Paradise Cabaret on the 8th floor at the Premier Palace Hotel. Tourist trap.
Guys, I spent Thursday night at Rio strip club and, according to the managers at Rio, the Paradise is a sister strip club and does have take out. It is a bit far out of downtown though. The address is Volodymyra Mayakovs'kogo Avenue 26 in Kiev, according to a hottie that works there. In fact the managers at Rio saiid that Rio girls rotate between the clubs. AND good news is that the Mandarin club (the other Rio sister strip club on the river, that was closed last year along with the River Palace, that had the burlesque show with pretty good singers and dancers) , is due to reopen very soon, perhaps within weeks.
Just arrived in Kiev for 3 days, and things couldn't have started worse: Just the night before my arrival I was notified that my chosen appartment was not available. I booked another supposedly available apartment, making also a downpayment to secure my reservation, only to find out on my way here that this was not available also. My flight was delayed and the driver who was supposed to meet me at the airport was not there. After wandering for around 40 minutes contemplating my options I finally met him in a place far from the arrivals hall, I guess he had just given up on waiting for me due to the delay, but then again that's not an excuse. 30-40 minutes later he was dropping me off to the only close to my specifiactions apartment in an old building in Pushkins'ka street in the center.
First impressions:
-Communication is a huge problem. None from the people I met so far speaks a word of english. Simple things like getting a sim card, activating or topping it up and generally finding your way around take time.
-The city (at least the center) looks much nicer than what I had in mind.
At the moment, although I feel tired from the trip, I intend to call some pros from mamba and top-modals, to get a first feeling of the available talent. Having read previous reports, I certainly do not have high hopes, but we'll see.
Later and if I manage to stay awake I intend to visit some of the bars / clubs or possibly Rio. If somebody is also here reading this and is interested in exploring together the city, let me know.
I'll report back with my progress and updates, hopefully things will get better.
Just arrived in Kiev for 3 days, and things couldn't have started worse: Just the night before my arrival I was notified that my chosen appartment was not available. I booked another supposedly available apartment, making also a downpayment to secure my reservation, only to find out on my way here that this was not available also. My flight was delayed and the driver who was supposed to meet me at the airport was not there. After wandering for around 40 minutes contemplating my options I finally met him in a place far from the arrivals hall, I guess he had just given up on waiting for me due to the delay, but then again that's not an excuse. 30-40 minutes later he was dropping me off to the only close to my specifiactions apartment in an old building in Pushkins'ka street in the center.
First impressions:
-Communication is a huge problem. None from the people I met so far speaks a word of english. Simple things like getting a sim card, activating or topping it up and generally finding your way around take time.
-The city (at least the center) looks much nicer than what I had in mind.
At the moment, although I feel tired from the trip, I intend to call some pros from mamba and top-modals, to get a first feeling of the available talent. Having read previous reports, I certainly do not have high hopes, but we'll see.
Later and if I manage to stay awake I intend to visit some of the bars / clubs or possibly Rio. If somebody is also here reading this and is interested in exploring together the city, let me know.
I'll report back with my progress and updates, hopefully things will get better. I am in town now. PM. Me if you want to hook up. I am this moment 10pm sitting in Rio club
Again. If the girl who just started working here who I'm nuts about doesn't agree to go home with me, I intend to go afterward to Buddha Bar or check out the Paradise strip club (new).
Harry, I. Don't know Mandarin new address, but if it is open when I return to Kiev for April 28
Weekend, I will post it.
LJ
MikeWilliams
04-15-11, 20:42
The weekend is finally here in Kyiv!
Planning on checking out Delux tomorrow night. Then probably a massage place on Sunday afternoon. I am looking forward to a nice erotic massage!
Tonight I have a date later with a girl from romanceinrussia. Com. I will tell you later how it goes. I think it will be really good, we have been talking for some time and she is really hot!
By the way, has anyone been to the club Saxon? I heard it has a lot of student girls. Let me know.
Make sure you can receive PMs, because you haven't replied to any. Maybe you exceeded your quota?
I am in town now. PM. Me if you want to hook up. I am this moment 10pm sitting in Rio club
Again. If the girl who just started working here who I'm nuts about doesn't agree to go home with me, I intend to go afterward to Buddha Bar or check out the Paradise strip club (new).
Harry, I. Don't know Mandarin new address, but if it is open when I return to Kiev for April 28
Weekend, I will post it.
LJ
Make sure you can receive PMs, because you haven't replied to any. Maybe you exceeded your quota?I am home with girl of my dreams from Rio. Check your PM's for my advices. Tomorrow is another day. Speak then.
LJ
I've read through the reports and thanks for all the info. It seems escorts and takouts from clubs are the options available in Kiev. Not ideal because I don't want to spend minimum three hours at a cost of $300/$400! How can you get a girl for an hour for example?
Are there private apartments where you can go in choose a girl and spend time there? If so what is the quality and prices there?
Or any other reliable way of finding a girl to spend an hour or so?
Hotman 666
04-16-11, 13:15
I've read through the reports and thanks for all the info. It seems escorts and takouts from clubs are the options available in Kiev. Not ideal because I don't want to spend minimum three hours at a cost of $300/$400! How can you get a girl for an hour for example?
Are there private apartments where you can go in choose a girl and spend time there? If so what is the quality and prices there?
Or any other reliable way of finding a girl to spend an hour or so? Ruga,
I posted the following on 6th June last year. (My first time in Kiev.) I'm SURE that there are other opportunities but this one worked for me!
OK, that was in Summer, and quite warm, but you should still find "some" about!
I NEVER had problems with the police when I was looking!
Oh yes, just carry your passport with you at ALL times!
On one occasion I was stopped by 2 of the local 'Gestapo' who wanted to see my passport.
I had it with me, showed them, so, NO PROBLEM for me (and no beer money for them!)
Enjoy (I did!)
Hotman.
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Street Meat in Kiev (6th June 2010)
A couple of people have recently asked about 'Street Meat' in Kiev.
I was there last week and can confirm that there are streetwalkers available!
Every evening on Khreschatyk St. There were girls to be found.
If you walk along the street, where the sidewalk is widest, there are benches under the trees where you can find hookers. Each evening I saw an average of 8 – 12 girls within Half a mile or so.
Prices quoted to me were. 500 Ukranian. 50 Euro, and 60 $US (depending on where the girls guessed I was from!)
I did not find a 9 or 10 there but many were 7-8 on my scale.
One girl, tall, blonde and slim with amazing fun bags quoted me 50 Eu for some fun back at my hotel, with no time limit. Had a great 2 hour session and phoned her the next day for a repeat. This time she stayed around 3. 1/2 hours also for 50 Eu and would have stayed the night but I had to get up early the next day.
NOTE. You will also find 'civilians' waiting for friends or looking for company on these benches but for any experienced Monger it should not be difficult to sort out which is which.
Given a bit of time it was perfectly possible to set up a date with some of the civilians over a coffee or a beer for a date the next evening. From then it was quite easy to 'have your wicked way' with them for the price of a meal or a few beers!
Also got a few numbers for next time.
This wes my first time in Ukraine and, for me, there was no reason to pay the 200/250 Eu / US$ ++++ that I see being talked about!
But then I am not looking for a 'Trophy Fuck' just an enjoyable few hours with an attractive (and attentive) young girl.
Of course YMMV.
I've read through the reports and thanks for all the info. It seems escorts and takouts from clubs are the options available in Kiev. Not ideal because I don't want to spend minimum three hours at a cost of $300/$400! How can you get a girl for an hour for example?
Are there private apartments where you can go in choose a girl and spend time there? If so what is the quality and prices there?
Or any other reliable way of finding a girl to spend an hour or so? I spent yesterday during the day calling numbers I had for mamba. Ru girls whose photos I liked, and top-modals. Com girls. Not one spoke English despite the fact their profiles stated they did. This is due to fact that I was probably speaking to an agency phone lady and during the daytime hours whoever was taking the phone calls didn't speak English. But this is the way guys on this board find girls at the prices you want. You need to be persistent, obviously. But I was fed up with the bs. Then I called numbers from certain escort websites like uadreamescort. Com or
Escort-models. Net and others and I was getting the same lady's voice answering the different numbers. To me this means that many of the websites are the brainchild of one agency. I asked for a beauty named Zhenia on the uadreamescort. Com website. The girl who showed up was so skinny she looked like a stick. I couldn't do it. I showed her the picture of Zhenia on my computer and said I wanted a girl who was shaped like that. She said a girl who is beautiful will come to me. Then I called the agency back and they said they are bringing two girls and I could pick. They never showed. I called a gilr I had met last year to come.
In the meantime, the doorbelll rang and a real beauty was standing there. I think it was the doing of the first agency girl. So lucky me, that is what happpened. A real beauty did show up $100 USD an hour. Then while she was at my apartment and we were trying to communicate using Google translate the girl I had invited showed up, and they were both ok to stay together. So I ended up with a very hot duo date. They both stayed two hours. The beauty is coming back today. So miracles do happen here in Kiev. Keep trying.
There are also apartments as you suggest. I asked a taxi driver if he knew where there were apartments with girls and he took me around to three places. I didn't stay because of language issues. But the girls looked ok and price was low. I would recommend taking along a sheet of your sex services questions (like do you give a blow job without condom? Etc.) written out in Russian in yes or no format. So you can just point to the question and get a yes or no answer (the or Nyet). So girl apartments are an option that exists. And needs reporting about on this board.
You can always also try your luck negotiating with WG's who show up at Buddha Bar after midnite. They will all probably want a two hour session. But as it gets late you might get that down below $200. $150 for two hours is a good price if you can get it. More likely later at night with less spectacular looking girls, but possible.
Good luck hunting.
LJ
Despite being very tired fro the trip and the delay, I was determined to make my time in Kiev count. My plans for the night would be to call somebody over to my place and then go to a strip bar or club. I called a pro from mamba, whao had quoted me a price before my trip, relatively good english, and she insisted that she is the same girl with the photos. About 25 minutes later 2 girls are standing on my door, none bearing any resemblance to the photos. I guess they figured that the chance of the client rejecting the girl would be lower if he I presented with more choices. They were not bad, one of them could be a 7-8 in my scale. Nevertheless, I sent them away and take a taxi to Rio.
As you enter Rio they scan you with a metal detector, and a guy asked me if I carry any guns? I was ready to joke, but thinking that I don't know anything about ukranian sense of humor and possible reactions, decided not to. The club is separated in 4 areas and they sit you in the area that has the less people. Dancers just rotate from area to area, an estimate would be that there were around 20 girls working, most 5-7 and some 8-9. Most of them had a nice body though and the whole show was sexy. I asked a guy with a suit different questions about the club, like private dancing, taking a girl out, etc. And he responded that he cannot help me and he would call the manager instead. After 5 minutes the manager explains very politely and with good english all the different options. Regarding taking a girl out though, he says that this is a matter which can be discussed only with the girl.
The first girl that struck me was a tall brunette with a cute face, so I ask her to come over, which she does but after 40 minutes and after having to remind the service guy again. We speak a little and I take her for a private dance, during which she told me that she is only dancing so no take out option. Next I pick another tall brunette with a nice rack, she comes to my table and leaves in 5 minutes saying that she will be back. Never saw her again. I pick a 3rd girl that come also 30-40 minutes later and after a private dance she quotes me 400$, but I offer her 300$. She agrees and she says that she will come back. I wait for her 15-20 minutes and decide to leave. From the 3 hours that I stayed there 90% of the time I was waiting for a girl and the rest 10% I was with a girl. What is the deal here? Am I missing something? In any other strip bar I have the problem to keep the girls away, in Rio it seems the opposite is true. It was a busy night, but I do not know if this the standard there.
Leaving Rio, I decided to visit Budha bar, it was only a 5 minute ride with a taxi. In the entrance though they tell me that there is a private party, so no entrance allowed. I take another taxi to D'lux. D'lux is a nice club with many floors, lots of people and amazing women. In no other club have I ever seen so many beautiful women. Most of them though they do not seem available, they just having fun with their company / boyfriends / sponsors. Still there are a lot of girls who do look available. They usually sit in pairs in various bars. I take a seat in the bar in the upper floor, and after a while 2 girls are sitting next to me, one of them very good looking. We chat for a while and I buy them drinks. English very bad but still there is some communication. Sadly, I feel so tired after having more than 30 hours with no sleep, plus 6 whiskys, that I feel that it is just not worth it to invite them to my apartment. Like everybody else, I have my own fantasies in sex, but paying girls to watch me sleep is not one of them. I give my phone number to the good looking girl, and we arrange to go for dinner today. I don't know if she is going to call me or not, anyway there are so many good looking girls there that finding somebody is not difficult.
As for tonight, I plan to invite some girls to my apartment, then probably a strip bar and clubs, probably Budha. Regarding calling girls in your apartment, I think I found a strategy that might work: After having already sent away 3 diffferent girls that they didn't look like their photos, I now tell the agency straight away that I know that the photos are fake, so ask them to just send the most beautiful girl that they have. The response is usually that a) they do no try to contradict that the photos are genuine be) they say have a very beautiful girl but she has no photos in the internet. It might prove especially effective if you have already rejected a girl that they have sent you before. We'll see.
Global Surfer
04-17-11, 01:03
I am planning to visit Kiev next week. Could any senior member please recommend any tall and user friendly thing from?
www.mamba.ru
Escort-models. Net.
Top-models
Or any similar source at a reasonable price.
Unfortunately, I could not convince my boss to pay for an apartment and hence booked a room in khreschatik hotel. I hope that I do not have any problem there.
I have shortlisted a few pros and semi pros from mamba. Do you invite them straight to the hotel or is it possible to meet for a drink / coffee for initial assessment?
Thanks for help
Liljoey and Tango,
Nice reports.
Regarding Hotman's report below, I have never noticed or heard about WGs on the wide side walk of K St. I'd look more carefully the next time.
Speaking of the wide side walk, there were some people last summer who were handing out cards with girl's photo. Has anybody tried these? This past February I did not see them, so maybe that was a summer thing.
I am planning to visit Kiev next week. Could any senior member please recommend any tall and user friendly thing from?
www.mamba.ru
Escort-models. Net.
Top-models
Or any similar source at a reasonable price.
Unfortunately, I could not convince my boss to pay for an apartment and hence booked a room in khreschatik hotel. I hope that I do not have any problem there.
I have shortlisted a few pros and semi pros from mamba. Do you invite them straight to the hotel or is it possible to meet for a drink / coffee for initial assessment?
Thanks for helpAssuming your hotel is girl-friendly, you will simply need to take the plunge into the bait and switch whirlpool that is Kiev internet advertising for escort services, and hope to come up with something good, and to keep trying until you do.
Regarding mamba and top-modals: I have had mixed results when calling girls with real photo on top-modals. Com. In the end of 2009 on my first visit to Kiev, I called two girls from top-models, both of whom turned out to be the girls in the actual pictures posted on the website and we've stayed in touch since. They are both on mamba. Ru as well. Yet this trip in April 2011 every number I called during the daytime this past Friday on mamba or top-modals, the person answering did not speak English and hung up. But there are many reports on this thread of guys getting adequate girls from mamba. Ru. I guess you just have to keep trying and maybe daytime is more difficult than later in evening.
The other website you mentioned, escort-models. Net, has pictures of some spectacular looking girls, but is a bait and switch agency. See my prior reports as to some analysis of this website.
See also my prior recent report regarding how I wound up first with a too skinny girl, and then with a beauty, after calling number on uadreamescorts website. Here is the interesting catch, guys. The beauty mentioned that she worked for an agency located on Lesi Ukrainky Blvd. If you will recall my prior report, this is the same street for the incall location of the agency which anwsered numbers listed on escort-models website. Now it might be a different apartment, but something tells me it is all the same agency using multiple websites. The same woman's voice answered several of the different numbers on the website. Now that I know they have at least one beauty, I am more encouraged to complete the research assignment I mentioned in my earlier post about going to visit the agency apartment on Lesi Ukrainky Blvd. I will be back in Kiev April 28.
If you decide to check it out please post aout it.
If you want to see what you are getting beforehand, you must go to clubs.
LJ
Liljoey,
The only way out to have gorgeous girls for less than $100 in Kiev that I came up with was to learn Russian and penetrate into the local market, even though I don't know much about local market at this time.
With all due respect to the experienced members of this August forum, I have to say the following: some may insist that they had gorgeous girls for less than $100, but when I see their photos, I don't agree that they are gorgeous.
I challenge them to show me gorgeous girls they had for less than $100. ! I must contradict you on this. Good game is all you need and a full understanding of the female character in Ukraine. Less than $100? Free usually. All the advice is here on the forum. Follow it and you'll need a stick to beat them off.
With all due respect to the experienced members of this August forum, I have to say the following: some may insist that they had gorgeous girls for less than $100, but when I see their photos, I don't agree that they are gorgeous.
I challenge them to show me gorgeous girls they had for less than $100.Here are some previous that I found from my older posts. Maybe not to your taste but many gave their approval:-
here are some previous that i found from my older posts. maybe not to your taste but many gave their approval:-reddish. blonde cock (tail!). how where the freckles?
by the way as you well know (we both took her) miss u. was totally free, despite se got very angry finding her photos on this site!
she is totally free (small gifts and of course restaurant). and rides like hell!
some miss u. pics (i do not write the name because she make checks on it here! the piglet!).
149724
149725
149726
also katya and tanya (later katya and nastya) was prcatically for free a light bi couple for 100/150 € a day. and nastya, apart [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) (you might miss her il as i do) is one of the horniest girls i got in a bed: always wet, always ready!
it.
ps.
yes fsu (formper cccp) girls have sex in blood. and there is no discussion. have no idea of thai, but in all the places i drilled somebody only brazil get close (mostly in my taste due the wide option of anal facilities... eh eh eh)....
149727
for sure, next time i'm in ua i'll get nastya in a bed alone, and fuck her brain out... of the ears, surely not a beauty, not a stunner, not in my taste (i like petites), but.... she is not so known, but she can have (in my opinion) a good place in the hall of fame of ua sex between [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) and mystery tramp (the last fucked by at least 30 senirors here...)
Here are some previous that I found from my older posts. Maybe not to your taste but many gave their approval:-Forgot to point out they were all freebies
IL and IT,
Are you saying you both can get Nastia for less than $100 or even for free?
To me Nastia is a beauty and a stunner.
But for an avarege Joe like me, it seems impossible to get such a beauty / stunner for free.
But if Nastia is available for a fee, her contact info is appreciated.
Okay here some sites for meetings ladies:
Can anyone here verify some beauties that they have fucked? 8-9-10's standards please.
& what was negotiated.
Top-Modals.
Intimgirls.
Xmodels.
Escorts-model.
VIP-dosug.
Interdevochki.
Sexkiev
IL and IT,
Are you saying you both can get Nastia for less than $100 or even for free?
To me Nastia is a beauty and a stunner.
But for an avarege Joe like me, it seems impossible to get such a beauty / stunner for free.
But if Nastia is available for a fee, her contact info is appreciated.I think IT has a different Nastia. My Nastia was a freebie. All those on the photos were freebies. It's not impossible, my point in listing the photos is that everything is possible. I no longer have her details.
I think IT has a different Nastia. My Nastia was a freebie. All those on the photos were freebies. It's not impossible, my point in listing the photos is that everything is possible. I no longer have her details.I understand that your point is not just your looks, but may I ask you how old you are and how you look?
Here is my Nastia, but she was $250 for a few hours.
We should exchange our Nastias :) .
I think IT has a different Nastia. My Nastia was a freebie. All those on the photos were freebies. It's not impossible, my point in listing the photos is that everything is possible. I no longer have her details.She is another Nastya, but she is more or less for free, she asks for small gifts a nice evening in the restaurant, and a nice sex night and then asks you for some poket money for make-up. And it's all. Exactly as Miss U.
20-25 whyear old class girls with a normal work, just wanting some fun.
Obvieously IL and me are far older than theese. But hou shall I say IL, we are not relics? And for a FSU Girl the mood is far more important. Now I'm dealing with some 18 whyear old for my next moscow trip, some are really astonishing. Naive, homegrown, little piglets. Especially interested in two (you find them in UA too).
Number 1:18 three months ago. Blonde. 163/49 / A cups wonderul pale white and pink nipples.
Number 2:18, 5 brunetka. 159/50 / B cups. A petite with some meat on.
Now I'm turned on teen petites.
But have some contacts even with a bunetka 21/170/69 / E cups! Softies are ok while young, but they sooon transforms in babushkas!
IT
IL and IT,
Are you saying you both can get Nastia for less than $100 or even for free?
To me Nastia is a beauty and a stunner.
But for an avarege Joe like me, it seems impossible to get such a beauty / stunner for free.
But if Nastia is available for a fee, her contact info is appreciated. IL and IT,
I don't doubt that you scored the freebies you report. But your success doesn't provide much guidance to others to duplicate it. It would really be helpful if you were to lay it out more specifically, with examples, so that guys who are rusty at this, can get a few pointers and a better idea of where to look and what to say, etc. Now obviously you can't change a 50 something year old shlub into Rico Suave, but a few more specific pointers and ideas might help some others get started and get their feet wet in devushka freebie land. Not spoon feeding, but just some entertaining writing about your escapades. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to hear about it.
LJ
I understand that your point is not just your looks, but may I ask you how old you are and how you look?My point was it's ALL about game! Looks have very little to do with it unless you look and behave like a monkey. If anything, good looks are a liability in Eastern Europe. If you are too good looking you are placed in the "good gene pool" category and a girl sees you as long term prospect and doesn't want you to think her a ****.
I'm 46, 20 kilos too heavy and way past my prime)
IL and IT,
I don't doubt that you scored the freebies you report. But your success doesn't provide much guidance to others to duplicate it. It would really be helpful if you were to lay it out more specifically, with examples, so that guys who are rusty at this, can get a few pointers and a better idea of where to look and what to say, etc. Now obviously you can't change a 50 something year old shlub into Rico Suave, but a few more specific pointers and ideas might help some others get started and get their feet wet in devushka freebie land. Not spoon feeding, but just some entertaining writing about your escapades. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to hear about it.
LJHere are 2 links to my reports doing this.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=467025#post467025
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?815-General-Info&p=586201#post586201
Brotherrabitt
04-19-11, 15:05
I am planning to visit Kiev next week. Could any senior member please recommend any tall and user friendly thing from?
www.mamba.ru
Escort-models. Net.
Top-models
Or any similar source at a reasonable price.
Unfortunately, I could not convince my boss to pay for an apartment and hence booked a room in khreschatik hotel. I hope that I do not have any problem there.
I have shortlisted a few pros and semi pros from mamba. Do you invite them straight to the hotel or is it possible to meet for a drink / coffee for initial assessment?
Thanks for helpHi,
Leave the Kreshatik Hotel, turn left, walk approx 10 meters, go though the door of the Buddha Bar, walk up the stairs, buy a beer, and assess assess assess ;)
Have fun.
BR
Me and You
04-19-11, 18:21
[quote=it travel; ]also katya and tanya (later katya and nastya) was prcatically for free a light bi couple for 100/150 € a day. and nastya, apart [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) (you might miss her il as i do) is one of the horniest girls i got in a bed: always wet, always ready!
149727
it travel thanks for the fotos. this foto was nastia with her friend kissing right? . is nastia was moaning with you like a cat. she really moans like a real cat. i agree with you she is really hot.
here are 2 links to my reports doing this.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-kiev&p=467025#post467025
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?815-general-info&p=586201#post586201
hello, all,
here's some advice which i hope is helpful to all.
the ukrainian art of seduction lies somewhere between taming a wild horse and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).
the more times they ask a girl to sleep with them, the bigger the compliment. 10 times will usually do it.
don't bring your date to a club unless you're sure she's a 'done deal' and want to get some dancing done and / or you're looking for a 2nd girl to join you both.
if taking a date out to dinner, tell her what to wear and decide what she's eating. if you're a real gent you might ask her if there's anything she doesn't like before ordering her meal. after the meal, if you're not clubbing, tell her you have some champagne and chocolates at home where it will be more comfortable to talk. try to not be interested in her reply. it wasn't a negotiation.
if you meet a girl in a club and she gives you her number, you can either arrange to meet her during the week if you're a dr skank or cruiser d who know she's 'in the bag' and are just juggling their diaries or sms her 2 minutes later telling her ' i want you. now'. you'll save time this way.
girls in kiev do find ties sexy. if you're in a suit on a thursday night then you're a serious person and your chances have just tripled. it pays to advertise.
if a girl approaches you and isn't on the 'cocktail' buzz then she's interested in you. if you like her then kiss her.
if you like a girl on the dance floor, pay good attention to her and let her know you're watching her dance. be relaxed but confident and smile at her. she'll either look away or she'll respond by dancing even better. if she responds then after the dance she'll come close enough to you so that you can introduce yourself to her and then kiss her.
if you're talking to a girl at the club and she looks at another girl as 90% of them will. ask her if she likes girls. if she says 'no, i like men'. kiss her. if she says 'yes' then say 'so do i' and then kiss her.
hope this helps.
ildear irish lad,
now that 2nd link contained specific advice on style and was a great piece of writing! especially liked the lead line "the ukrainian art of seduction lies somewhere between taming a wild horse and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)." to summarize your counsel : you recommend to dress in business attire complete with the all important tie to project the right image, and to employing a personality style of cocky confidence as we smile at the girl and receiving some sort of flirty reaction from her, then boldly proceed straightaway to kiss her smack on the lips as and upon initial introductions.
have i got your sentiments down correctly? does this really work? what proportion of the time did you get shot down when you boldly went for the kiss right away at the beginning?
and most importantly, please tell us more about the follow up? where do you go from that initial kiss? what have you found is best to talk about and in what manner that is conducive to getting where we want to get? can you illustrate this with stories drawn from your experience? this is the kind of "guidance" that will really help the guys on this forum, most of whom probably have been far more reserved and have always waited for some more overt sign from the girl to go for the first kiss.
thanks for your contribution. i encourage you to continue giving advice of this nature which is highly entertaining and beneficial.
lj
My point was it's ALL about game! Looks have very little to do with it unless you look and behave like a monkey. If anything, good looks are a liability in Eastern Europe. If you are too good looking you are placed in the "good gene pool" category and a girl sees you as long term prospect and doesn't want you to think her a.
I'm 46, 20 kilos too heavy and way past my prime) And I'm almost the same!
IT
Our favourite political activists FEMEN returned to the streets of the capital during the week.
The topic this time was government "sloppiness" with a few other bits and pieces thrown in.
But it wouldn't be unfair to say they aren't exactly pro-Yanukovich.
http://russianforum.org/2011/04/topl...ed-in-pictures
Never ceases to amuse me the grim faces of the policemen as they go about their, erm, duty.
You'd think one or two of them might see the funny side of all this.
VG.
Traveltoomuch
04-24-11, 16:44
Back on the horse tonight with my gf in chernighiv. Anyone up for getting into trouble) what goes on here on Easter Sunday? Also does anyone have information on a little "erotic show" joint called Red Heat in Podil?
Back on the horse tonight with my gf in chernighiv. Anyone up for getting into trouble) what goes on here on Easter Sunday? Also does anyone have information on a little "erotic show" joint called Red Heat in Podil?Yes, think I wrote about that place a month or 2 ago. Not great. Average girls at best. Trying to be a sophisticated joint. Expensive. Take out girl option $400 as I recall. Not recommended, even for the titty show. No full nudity on stage. Private dances same cost as elsewhere.
Dangerwank
04-24-11, 20:37
Today I had a threesome in my jacuzzi with a couple of amateur girls from mamba, and made use of my new waterproof camera. I'll post a couple of pictures in the appropriate section.
I want to try this mamba site I have never been to ukraine so any help on gettting a threesome? . The more the woman better. But if anyone has tips on getting two women let me. I'm going to Kiev and I want a bath full of women. And by the way how much did this threesome cost you.
Insomniaque
04-24-11, 22:12
Returned from Kiev for more than a week already, and I didn't find the time for a little report. So here we go. .
First time I try the apartment option (thanks to the advice I got on this thread). Not everything was perfect (a couple of light bulbs needing replacement, no corkscrew, a nasty smell coming out of the bathtub sometimes, a broken elevator bringing you systematically to the wrong floor, etc.) but still it was a good deal: great location (Maidan sq.) for about the same price as a hotel room ($120) , with a king-sized bed and without the usual security wankers to be bribed each time you take a girl to your place. I had ordered a transfer from / to the airport and the driver was indeed waiting for me at Borispol (always dreamed about having my name on one of those signs, just like in the HSBC ads) and I was quite happy not having to face the touts for once.
So I was driven to the office, paid the bill (upfront, I think it's the usual way) and then was driven to my apartment. I was a bit surprised at how useless the girl in the office proved to be (Where can I buy food and drinks? Where is the nearest apteka? Where are the nearest cash machines? She had no fucking clue) but fortunately I found by myself soon enough.
I had a business dinner and then went back to my apartment a little before 11p. M, and a shower later I was ready for Erica, an ex Rio girl whom I met last August (by far my best private dances to date). She arrived a little bit late (11:30) and seemed kind of disturbed; she explained to me the police got hold of her when she was just about to enter my building, and that she had to give them UAH400 so that they leave her alone. At first I thought she was bullshitting me so as to make me cry and get some more cash at the end of the day, but she looked freaked out indeed and she was trembling, and she is probably not that good of an actress.
I poured her a vodka to cheer her up and we chit-chatted for a while, it was interesting to learn a little bit more about her life and her past as a Rio girl. She then jumped onto me and started French-kissing me with this naughty smile of hers. And, wow. As far as I am concerned Erica does the best DFK in existence, leaviing all the rest aside it's already worth a meeting. It was also very pleasant to start sex naturally, undressing slowly while kissing each other, and to avoid the "shower is mandatory" thing. When I grabed her bra she smiled at me and asked,"Sense something new?" Jesus Christ, what have you done. The tiny, adorable tits were gone forever."You don't like them?", she asked anxiously when she saw my face."Of course I do", I lied,"but you really didn't need that, you know." She then said as an excuse that now she felt like a real woman! Real woman. What the fuck is that. I don't know if we men are totally responsible for this, but many (too many) girls seem convinced that each and every man on this good old Earth does prefer big tits, whether they are fake or not. What a mess. I did not tell her what I really thought about all that shit, but when I recall what marvellous tits she once had, I am devastated.
But apart from that bad surprise, what a hell of a night. I don't know for how many hours we fucked in total, but it was just terrific. We did any position I have a name for, and many others for which there is no name (I think) , and basically we did everything for which I was supple enough. All of this wrapped up in a most delightful girlfriend attitude, to such an extent that for half a second I thought I would play it bare back this time (not talking of the BJ, which was indeed bareback but given the nature of the meeting it goes without saying). Fortunately, I did not lost my common sense completely and we eventually put the hat on; but it's the first time a condom [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off that much, and as a matter of fact it is the very first time I even have this kind of stupid thoughts with a woman (other than my own).
Now, regarding money. As she did not ask for any cash upfront I thought I had eventually managed to turn her into a freebie. But when, at the end of the meeting, I handed UAH1000 as a "gift", she looked utterly disappointed. I asked what was wrong."Why so little?", she whined. What a fool you are, I said to myself. All right, how much would you want. 2000, she replied,"as much as you pay for the girls from River Palace." (Technically, this is not correct, but I did not find the strength to argue.) I handed another thousand unwillingly."Please, don't be angry", she said."I am not", I lied. And naturally I was pissed off. More a question of pride than money, actually, because when you think of it, $250 for a 13 hour-long stellar GFE isn't that bad of a deal.
We discussed the issue later on. I told her I liked her really and was sad she had made me pay, like I was just another client, whereas I thought she liked me. She replied that she was not a regular working girl, that her last client was in December and that he had paid $400 for one hour. And besides, she asked,"What can you give me, except money?" She said she liked me very much and that she had not come for the money, but that if she hadn't got the cash she'd just feel fucked, as there is no place for her in my life and she would be a fool to expect that I got attached for real and to hope a love story.
Fair enough.
Oh, I almost forgot: according to Erica, the River Palace has opened again! Same concept (floating disco, etc.) as far as I understood, only this time it's far away from centre and she doubts there are many people there as the location is not at all convenient. Did not find the time to check this out.
Insomniaque
04-24-11, 22:13
Spent the evening with a client (who is also a monger). We had a so-called hamburger at O'Briens (very crowdy, but not a single WG around) , then a drink at the Buddha Bar which I wanted to check as I had not yet been to. I am not fond of the place, although I found the music pretty good; it is very gloomy and you can see hardly anything (not quite convenient to choose your hooker properly) , also the fact all the WG are just standing at the bar while the rest of the place is a no man's land, well, I don't like that concept. What's worse, there weren't too many girls, maybe a dozen at best, and as a matter of fact, when we arrived, the bouncers denied entrance to 2 pros right in front of us (you could see that they were WG a mile off) ; I suppose that the management has decided a quota each night, I mean they let in a certain amount of WG so as to attract the dirty dogs (you know who I am talking about) , but they don't want too many hookers either, that would draw attention; probably the River Palace syndrom.
We then moved to Rio. I was quite happy to return as I had not been to Rio since last September and I fucking love that place, although the new staff is not as friendly as the old one (Pascha is no longer working here, apparently). A "manager" started his "all tables are reserved" crap, but my buddy was not in the mood for bullshit and started arguing, and we eventually got a table where we wanted (upstairs, in the big room). My wingman immediately asked for Marina, whom he had taken out the night before; surely this Marina has some special skills since my fellow described his night with her as his best shag ever, which is saying something, as he has been a monger for much longer than me and must have banged maybe 200 or 300 girls during his career.
As for me I was just there to enjoy the show, after my night with Erica I was fucked up and doubted I could even fuck tonight. But Marina suggested a girl for me, going by the alias Malvina (IIRC) , who joined us at our table whereas I had not asked for anything. But the girl looked okay, it so happens that I had spotted her already while she was on stage, so I paid her a drink and we started chatting. (Quite good English, but not the most interesting conversation in human history.) Eventually I asked for a private dance as I had guessed she was rather skilled, and she indeed managed to make me have a erection, much to my surprise (I was really fucked up) so I decided to take her back home. She would not have been my first choice (those Ada, Aissa and Eva were much better-looking and also had great potential) but it was getting late and I had not the strength to go through the process (drinks, blah-blah, etc.) another time. So it was Malvina. And the shag was rather good, above average I would say, altough not worth the $300. Or maybe I am a bit harsh with Malvina because of Erica, after what I had experienced, very few girls could have stood comparison.
Insomniaque
04-24-11, 22:13
Business in the morning and at lunch, and I was back to my place at 3 p. M, so I opted for a late afternoon shag from the list I had prepared (Mamba, top-modals, etc.). After a couple of phone calls I found one who was available: Renata from top-modals, UAH700 per hour, good reviews. Bingo.
She arrived 15 min late, but I was even later (gone out to buy something to drink) so for once it is the girl who had to wait. I found her waiting in my stairwell, as good as gold. The photos were real: a black-haired, blue-eyed skinny teen, with a typical Slavic face. I was not that enthusiast about her face (the photos were blurred so I could not tell beforehand) , save for her eyes which are kind of mesmerizing. Anyway she was cute and pretty fuckable and I didn't quite hesitate.
And I was so damn right. 1st class service, gentlemen. Very GFE, to begin with; lots of pretty good French kisses, and very sensitive: I fingered her while licking her tits and could distinctly feel her vagina contracting; and she was fucking WET, which among WG is kind of a rarity. Another thing worth mentioning, the way she looks at you and bites her lips during sex, it has something of the "perverted innocence", if you see what I mean, fucking thrilling if you are into that sort of things!
And on top of that, she was bloody skilled, oh my. She started with a BBBJ (not requested) and, fuck me! Okay, I am probably not an expert, but this was simply the best BJ of my life. Usually I am not into BJ which I find amusing at best, but Renata really knew the trick, I don't know how she did but sensations were awesome. Sex (classic) was far above average as well (she kept contracting as I was pumping her, plus she had a nice sense of rhythm) , but the best was yet to come: she finished me with a BBBJ + CIM + swallow = un-fucking-believable. This one was a gem. A very nice girl, kind and willing to please; she deserves to be treated well.
Insomniaque
04-24-11, 22:14
after renata, i had a nap to get some strength before the evening, but the meeting i had planned was cancelled, so i was left on my own. and not in the right mood, i might add. i felt empty somehow and tired of the game, so i had a quick dinner outside and then back to bed. no chicks tonight.
but at 2 a. m. i was not yet sleeping, and obviously i was getting more and more aggravated as minutes passed, so i changed my mind and decided to have my shag, thinking that it would help me fall asleep.
this is where the real fun begins.
erica being unavailable (alas!) i grabed my list and started making phone calls. it so happens that many girls / salons i had selected did not speak english, and really i had not foreseen that language could be such an issue. you know the "hellodoyouspeakenglish?.no!.bip, bip, bip"? now i could write a book about that. i don't know how many girls hung up, but after half an hour of this little game, my mental health was seriously threatened. but i eventually came across a girl who spoke english: lyuda, from uadosug. mmmmh. the photos were too good to be true, and despite the site claimed they were 100% verified, i knew what to expect. but i had no other choice.
half an hour later, i received a sms: "i am in front of your building. meet me, please." so i went down, opened the front door and, to my delight, not 1, but 3 persons were actually waiting for me. 1 girl. 2 cops: many possibilities.
at this very moment i could have saved my night, or what was left of it. but sometimes the force is against you, and in a desperate attempt to get yourself out of a wrong choice, you make an ever worse one.
the girl standing in front of me was miles away from the pics. awful skin (welcome to redspotland) , average body (where are the massive natural tits i have seen on the photos, by the way?) and, icing on the cake, the most brainless look ever. had i got a brain myself, i would have just sent medusa and her buddies to hell. instead i started arguing with 2 cocksuckers, in order to fuck a girl whom i didn't like at all. really i need to see a therapist.
of course the police knew she was a hooker and i was a client, and despite they had nothing against me (i showed passport, etc.) , they managed to break my bollocks for more than half an hour under the most pathetic excuses. is this your friend? but do you know what time it is? this is not a proper time to meet friends, is it? why do you meet your "friend" in the middle of the night? and how did you meet her? etc. oh, please, please, please. i had uah70 in my pocket (for the taxi) which i handed and which of course they refused (i knew it was way too low but i just wanted to provoke them) and so we kept arguing in this fucking stairwell (where i was starting to get fucking cold) until the bright girl suggested that we go out and have a drink somewhere. and strangely enough, it worked: the cops gave up. and there we are, on maidan sq, looking for a bar or a coffee or a restaurant or fucking anything still open at 3 in the morning. jesus.
we found one, not too far away, so i had my morning beer and medusa her morning coffee, and she was so afraid of the police that she would have waited here for the rest of her life. finally i could not stand to wait any longer and we returned to my door. the cops we still there, on the other side of the road; i pretended not to see them, entered the door code swiftly and, finally, found myself with the girl of my dreams in my fucking place.
and then, naturally, we started arguing on price. i say 900 including anal as agreed, she says 1500 with anal, i say you're fucking kidding me, she says anal is always additional charge, i say fine, here are 100 grivnas for taxi now get the fuck out, she says okay okay 900 with anal, i give her the money, she then says for 900 i do blowjob with condom and classic sex, i say and anal, she says with anal 1500, i say give me my money back, she says no, i say i don't want to hurt you give me my fucking money back, she says nothing, i think i am going to do something really bad, she says for 900 i can do blowjob and classic, i say why don't you just give me my money back, take 100 for taxi and leave me alone, she says because i have told my manager that you pay me 900, etc. eventually i told her to keep 400, 100 for taxi. 300 because she was the sweetest little thing i had ever met, and to leave me alone. she thought for a minute, afraid of her manager, and said okay. 900 with anal! how can you seriously believe i still want to have anything to do with you at this point? my proposition still stands, i strongly advise you to accept it or things will turn spectacularly wrong. she accepted. i was pissed off for the waste of money but the only way to get all my fucking cash back would have been violence, and for what it's worth, i was taught never to hit a girl. (fucking education.) but i was so relieved when she went away!
upon leaving my apartment, she asked,"don't call my manager, please." i promised i wouldn't (fearing that she would never leave otherwise). and then (incredible, but true) : "if you want to see me, call me." oh yeah, i can't wait to see you again.
Insomniaque
04-24-11, 22:14
Another late afternoon shag after some early business: Alinochka, from top-modals. (The only one who both was available and spoke English.) This time I confirmed, reconfirmed and re-reconfirmed the services; UAH1200, anal INCLUDED. Okay then, let's see.
When I saw her, I thought,"Now this is for sure: God hates me." Not that the photos were fake, but they are OUTRAGEOUSLY flattering. Especially when it comes to the face. A wraith. Fucking scary.
But I took her nevertheless. Another of my brilliant moments. I really must stop making myself believe that if the girl doesn't match, I will turn her away, since I simply never do that. I just can't seem to give up a shag in sight. Apalling. So we went to my apartment, I paid and we started a pointless and utterly disappointing intercourse (no feeling at all. 100% pure mechanical shit). After a while I decided it was time to break open some backdoors. And to my surprise, it was much painful to her, despite the fact I am a quite normal size, and despite the loads of lubricant she put. I expected such a pro to be quite used.
And then something burst inside of me. Somehow, I made her pay. I made her pay for the flattering photos and for the fact she was ugly, I made her pay for her service which is non-existent; and she also paid for Lyuda, and for Olya, for Rita, for Zarina, for Tina, for all the wh*res who just hang up, for all those who don't show up, for the bait and switch. She requested several times that we switch back to classic sex, I just refused and kept banging her the way I wanted. And the more pain distorted her face, the harder I pumped. And I was fucking enjoying it. And this is not like me at all; usually I am the most thoughtful lover you can imagine, always wondering if the girl is okay, if she likes the way I do it and if she has pleasure, etc. To such an extent that I have often been mocked by fellow mongers, like "How charming, he wants to please hookers, what a dope!" Well, not this time. I did enjoy causing her pain. She fucking paid for fucking everything. And I don't even feel remorse. .
Insomniaque
04-24-11, 22:15
The same night I met a civilian (found on Mamba) which I had missed in December. I had no expectations really, and as a matter of fact, we didn't fuck. Still I was eager to meet her, as we had been chatting for months and she was very keen on me (always flattering!) and I found her quite interesting (personality wise). I hesitated for a while, as Erica was available and wanted to see me again, and I, too, would have been more than happy to see her another time. But I was curious about the other, so I finally gave up a fantastic night of sex to try another type of game. And it was an interesting evening, although somewhat disturbing: I don't know what this girl wants, she seems quite happy with her life, she has a good job and doesn't need any EU wallet or passport, she has a boyfriend, she knows I am engaged, and last but not least, she knows I am a monger and that I bang hookers each time I come to Kiev, so I do not figure out why she even showed up. (Friendship? No!)
Anyway, we had a drink somewhere (kind of strange situation, we both didn't know what to say) and then joined my buddy who, again, reached out for Marina (!) and the four of us had dinner in a nice restaurant. I enjoyed having dinner with the girls, lots of fun even if sex was not on the menu. Only Marina looked a bit taciturn, sullen and not talkative, I guess English was an issue, plus the fact she was hired and therefore expected to fuck at some point, whereas my girl was a "normal" girl and free to do whatever she wanted, this imbalance might have been somewhat humiliating for her. I don't know. And I don't know either if I will ever fuck my "freebie" (who technically isn't one yet) , somehow I sense one-night stands are just not her style; the strange thing is, we really seem to have some kind of "connection" (having lots of fun and enjoying each other's company) and now that we have met, she seems even more keen on me. Time will tell, I assume.
Insomniaque thanks so much for the time you spent to write your reports, I really enjoyed all them, I like the way you write, I got the feeling I was watching a movie and not reading a report.
Insomniaque,
Thanks for your spectacular reports!
Part 4, 5, yes!
Today I had a threesome in my jacuzzi with a couple of amateur girls from mamba, and made use of my new waterproof camera. I'll post a couple of pictures in the appropriate section.
I want to try this mamba site I have never been to ukraine so any help on gettting a threesome? . The more the woman better. But if anyone has tips on getting two women let me. I'm going to Kiev and I want a bath full of women. And by the way how much did this threesome cost you. Register on mamba. Ru and get started)
Send me a PM and and I'll point you in the right direction of these two girls. They are normal girls who need a little extra cash. Loads of fun, and they set me back $200 for 2-3 hours of soapy fun. I like to think that I drive a hard bargain.
CallSign Papa
04-26-11, 13:51
Yeah can only echo the sentiments already expressed, great reports.
And as Alina can now testify, payback is a b***h!
Insomniaque
04-26-11, 16:49
Thanks for the various feedback!
By the way:
http://uadosug.com/gallery/103/
To be avoided like the plague. This was an agency (one girl on the phone, another girl showing up) so just put the number in your blacklist (I would not be surprised to see it again on other sites).
Amusingly, very few hookers on UADosug are listed as "verified"!
Anyway, stay away from this site.
I have my spring trip planned for next week and am off to Kiev. After reading through so many of the postings, it's obvious that the "bait and switch" is all too common in Kiev. I have been on mamba for the last two weeks collecting contact info and it does appears that many girls are too good to be true. I'm still going to the roll the dice and try to line up some afternoon dates. At night, I will likely hit Rio and some other clubs.
I know many have suggested the apartment option in Kiev. Fortunately, I have enough hotel points to stay in one of the 5 star hotels in Kiev for free. My plan is to meet any girls from mamba either in the hotel lounge for coffee. I thought this would be safer than having a girl show up at an apartment and meeting her alone.
Question for those that stay in the hotels. Is there a lot of security in the hotels? Will the girls get hassled when they walk through the front door by hotel staff? Is this a wise approach to meeting a girl for the first time in Kiev?
To :Insomniaque
Your posts are really great you are another Hero like the others that there are here and I admire a lot. Today I have spend the hole day at work thinking about what I have read on your last posts. About that girl Renata with the mesmerizing eyes! The Medusa and the civilian. After my first visit to Kiev of this April I can not come back to my fucking no getting laid routine life or existing in my fucking country with the world record of FAT ASSES. At night I can not sleep because my brain is continually thinking about the 5 days that I spend in wonder land Kiev and all the girls that I met and did. , I don't know if I was lucky or not but my visit was smooth and happen all that I had in mind if it was me to find the cops / militia standing in front of the door I will shit in my pants. Only with one girl I had a problem after she was in my apartment and I offered her a drink and we spoke a little she told me this word : duc duc you duc and I said what what and I found out that she wanted me to go to have a shower but I didn't want to live her alone in the living room because I was not trusting her because I had all my stuff and I was thinking that she could steal me some thing and leave, the good thing was that I did not paid her yet, so I told her no no why you want me to go to shower suddenly her expression changed and become serious and she start talking in Ukraine with an angry tone and she was moving her head from side to side like when we use to do when we say and think that some thing is not possible immediately I realize that this short relation was over so I sit back on the sofa and I kept drinking my bear and than she told me I call taxi and she put it back her shoe and left, I have to point out that she was very gorgeous and I was very angry, after what happen I start locking the door with the keys from the inside after the girls come in, and if I like the girl I will not try to contradicted her or at list until I fuck her.
AR
Sorry for the misspellings but english is not my native language!
Slavophile
04-27-11, 02:05
What is a better place for a mongering holiday? Ukraine or Poland? I hear good and bad about both places. I keep hearing negative reports and reports of nostalgia for a return of the "golden era" of Eastern European mongering.
I am also hearing about a London style adult party in Warsaw called Le Moulin Rouge.
This prospect sounds promising though the website is still under construction it seems.
Are there any party situations or German Partytreff type places in Kiev. I like the prospect of paying a one time fee for an all you can eat buffet of East European birds for a set period of time.
The scavenger hunt of finding Ukrainian or Polish birds on the streets of Kiev, Krakow or Warsaw in the dead of night doesn't appeal as much to me anymore. I like to find a sure thing and stick with it.
Thanks,
Slavophile
Insomniaque
04-27-11, 18:45
Question for those that stay in the hotels. Is there a lot of security in the hotels? Will the girls get hassled when they walk through the front door by hotel staff? Is this a wise approach to meeting a girl for the first time in Kiev?IMHO it is actually the safest approach, as you will not get bugged by the police. You just need to make sure that your hotel is girl-friendly, but most hotels are (as a matter of fact, in many of them you will find hookers in the lobby or at the bar).
Girls may or may not get hassled when walking through the front door, probably not, but in any case they will not be able to come directly to your room: you will have to come down and meet them, and take them to your room yourself. This is where you are most likely to be stopped by a wanker whom you will have to bribe (usually UAH150-200).
Note that security is an issue only in low to mid-end hotels; in upscale places (Intercontinental, Hyatt, Premier Palace, etc.) nobody won't tell you anything, you pay ridiculous prices so you can do what the fuck you want, that's the rule!
Your posts are really great you are another Hero like the others that there are here and I admire a lot. Today I have spend the hole day at work thinking about what I have read on your last posts. About that girl Renata with the mesmerizing eyes! The Medusa and the civilian. After my first visit to Kiev of this April I can not come back to my fucking no getting laid routine life or existing in my fucking country with the world record of FAT ASSES. At night I can not sleep because my brain is continually thinking about the 5 days that I spend in wonder land Kiev and all the girls that I met and did. , I don't know if I was lucky or not but my visit was smooth and happen all that I had in mind if it was me to find the cops / militia standing in front of the door I will shit in my pants. Only with one girl I had a problem after she was in my apartment and I offered her a drink and we spoke a little she told me this word : duc duc you duc and I said what what and I found out that she wanted me to go to have a shower but I didn't want to live her alone in the living room because I was not trusting her because I had all my stuff and I was thinking that she could steal me some thing and leave, the good thing was that I did not paid her yet, so I told her no no why you want me to go to shower suddenly her expression changed and become serious and she start talking in Ukraine with an angry tone and she was moving her head from side to side like when we use to do when we say and think that some thing is not possible immediately I realize that this short relation was over so I sit back on the sofa and I kept drinking my bear and than she told me I call taxi and she put it back her shoe and left, I have to point out that she was very gorgeous and I was very angry, after what happen I start locking the door with the keys from the inside after the girls come in, and if I like the girl I will not try to contradicted her or at list until I fuck her.Thanks Amunra,
I know what you mean; returning from Ukraine is not always easy, is it?
Regarding our fellow policemen there really is no reason to shit your pants. In most cases, as long as your papers are in order and you stay (relatively) polite, there is nothing they can do. Except wasting your time and making lose your temper.
Ukrainian police is full of tossers whose best option to improve their wages is to harass honest mongers like us, or the hookers themselves as this is where the money is. But unless they can PROVE prostitution (and how could they) you won't get into trouble.
And even if you did get into trouble, it would only mean a higher bribe. The good thing about Ukraine is that EVERYTHING has a cost.
One of my co-workers once went through a red light right in front of the police and decided to shake them off. (Did I mention that he was completely plastered?) So he played the Starsky and Hutch thing for maybe half an hour until the cops eventually force him to stop. It cost him UAH5000 (IIRC). And he drove back home and slept in his own comfy bed.
Guys, despite some of them do not like Gia girls cause they have price above the normal price of girls from mamba, but anybody can explain me please why a girl that has price of 180 USD 1 hour if I change the page from english language into Russian language 1 hour with the same girl become 1100 grivnas that are 138 USD?
Where the fuck went these 40 USD?
I guess it is the gringo-foreigner price, but how can we do to pay 140 USD and not 180 USD?
Is it enough to call them in Russian or once she come and she understands who order her is a foreigner she will want 180usd?
And again if we call and say we will pay the Russian price of 1100 grivnas, they will send the girl or not?
It really pissed me off they think we are so that stupid we are not able to change the language of the web site and to do maths to check the prices ???
I really do not mind to bring the first taxi driver I met outside in the street and to give him 5 USD to make the phone calling and to save still 35 USD and I am pretty sure every taxi driver will more than happy to earn 5 USD doing a phone call of 2 minutes using my mobile cell phone.
What's your opinion about this turistic rip off?
TheyStoleMyName
04-28-11, 14:10
After a couple of phone calls I found one who was available: Renata from top-modals, UAH700 per hour, good reviews. Bingo.
She arrived 15 min late, but I was even later (gone out to buy something to drink) so for once it is the girl who had to wait. I found her waiting in my stairwell, as good as gold. The photos were realHow often are the pics real on top-modals? I haven't been to Kiev before but I'm looking at the site and there are a lot of pretty girls there. The prices seem good, too. Sometimes as low as 300. I notice that most of the ads have a check mark for "Real Photo". Which is amusing since I assume that most of them are fake. So what did the reviews without the check have to do to earn that distinction? Maybe you just have to pay more for the real photo check mark?
Anyway if the ads with the "real photo" check are actually real. Then there are a few girls who are truly stunning for very low prices. But I'm guessing most of them are bullshit and you just lucked out?
Guys, despite some of them do not like Gia girls cause they have price above the normal price of girls from mamba, but anybody can explain me please why a girl that has price of 180 USD 1 hour if I change the page from english language into Russian language 1 hour with the same girl become 1100 grivnas that are 138 USD?
Where the fuck went these 40 USD?
I guess it is the gringo-foreigner price, but how can we do to pay 140 USD and not 180 USD?
Is it enough to call them in Russian or once she come and she understands who order her is a foreigner she will want 180usd?
And again if we call and say we will pay the Russian price of 1100 grivnas, they will send the girl or not?
It really pissed me off they think we are so that stupid we are not able to change the language of the web site and to do maths to check the prices?
I really do not mind to bring the first taxi driver I met outside in the street and to give him 5 USD to make the phone calling and to save still 35 USD and I am pretty sure every taxi driver will more than happy to earn 5 USD doing a phone call of 2 minutes using my mobile cell phone.
What's your opinion about this turistic rip off? Yes, I pointed this out a while back. Just make sure you use the price in HRV! Tell them the price it says in HRV. You do not have to speak Russian, I woudl think.
As to why they are so expensive? Becasue they are known by foreigners AND the photos are actually real, even if heavily photoshoped!
S
YES, that "real photo" tag is no guarantee. Nor are the reviews, as none of them are negative. Nevertheless, if you use some common sense about which phots are real (the ones that show a regular pretty girl in an Ukrainian style apartmetn or out in the streets) and which ones are fake (some gorgeous model photos stolen from the internet) , you shoudl be reaonably okay. By that, I mean that you have a 50% chance of getting the girl in the photo, and another 25% of getting one that looks similar.
The only way to encourage honesty is to turn them down if they are not the on in the photo, WITHOUT any taxi money. They wasted OUR time as well.
How often are the pics real on top-modals? I haven't been to Kiev before but I'm looking at the site and there are a lot of pretty girls there. The prices seem good, too. Sometimes as low as 300. I notice that most of the ads have a check mark for "Real Photo". Which is amusing since I assume that most of them are fake. So what did the reviews without the check have to do to earn that distinction? Maybe you just have to pay more for the real photo check mark?
Anyway if the ads with the "real photo" check are actually real. Then there are a few girls who are truly stunning for very low prices. But I'm guessing most of them are bullshit and you just lucked out?
I have a friend who used to go in Kiev every year, I asked him how hard it's to find top model girls for sex.
He said it's very easy, just take a taxi and tell him you want to have sex with beautiful girls!
Is it true or you will be mocked?
Another thing is to go to a night club for tourists and tell to the guy who will serve your drink that you will pay him an extra 20$ when he finds a very pretty girl and tell her to seat down with you.
Mamba looks good but the lack of privacy for registering is not appealing (mobile number).
Is there any system like the Romanian 'matrimonial' website for Kiev girls?
Insomniaque
04-28-11, 20:51
I have a friend who used to go in Kiev every year, I asked him how hard it's to find top model girls for sex.
He said it's very easy, just take a taxi and tell him you want to have sex with beautiful girls!
Is it true or you will be mocked? From my experience, taxi drivers can have very strange opinions regarding what a "beautiful" girl is. Not quite an option unless you have time to lose, as you will probably end up in a nice place (drivers usually know many places) , but only after having been through many shit holes.
TheyStoleMyName
04-28-11, 22:57
Yes, I pointed this out a while back. Just make sure you use the price in HRV! Tell them the price it says in HRV. You do not have to speak Russian, I woudl think.
As to why they are so expensive? Becasue they are known by foreigners AND the photos are actually real, even if heavily photoshoped!
SAre all the models real? Funny, one of them has photos that are also being used by someone who has contacted me on UkraineDate. I know both escort sites and girls on UkraineDate often use fake photos so I wasn't sure what to think. I also thought it possible that escorts might be using UkraineDate. Either to find clients or to find love with a man who didn't know about their past.
I asked the girl who was e-mailing me if she was a prostitute but she stopped responding after that.
Good find about the price difference. That's better than the 5% discount the site offers if you take 10 or more girls. . Some of them are very cute, even if photoshopped. I like Sonia.
TheyStoleMyName
04-28-11, 23:03
(the ones that show a regular pretty girl in an Ukrainian style apartmetn or out in the streets) and which ones are fake (some gorgeous model photos stolen from the internet)I think it's difficult to tell because, like was just pointed out, some girls and some sites use real photos like Gia but the photos are heavily photoshopped. With a good photographer or some photoshop skills pretty much anyone can have photos that look like they are supermodel pics stolen from the internet. Talking to girls on UkraineDate many many times I will get sent 2 different kinds of pictures- some candids where they look like very average regular girls, and then some pics that look absolutely incredible like they are on the cover of Vogue. Same girl in both photos and you can tell.
[edit: on the other hand, I've also called up escorts before who were using pics that looked like candids of very normal/average-looking girls, and they were STILL fakes.]
I think it's probably common that girls in Ukraine have some sort of struggling fashion model complex, and I think they probably also have a lot of these amateur studios around the country where you can go to get professional-looking pics taken. So just because a girl looks like a supermodel I wouldn't immediately assume that the pics were fake. I might just think that they are studio shots and possibly altered heavily.
I almost always turn girls away if they show up and it turns out they were using fake pics. But if you've been trying to get laid all day long, and you tell every provider before they show up "are you SURE your pics are REAL? Because I WILL turn you away if they are not!"- which often I do- then by the end of the day after you've rejected 3 or 4 you might eventually just say "fuck it" out of exhaustion and take whatever you can get.
I almost always turn girls away if they show up and it turns out they were using fake pics. But if you've been trying to get laid all day long, and you tell every provider before they show up "are you SURE your pics are REAL? Because I WILL turn you away if they are not!"- which often I do- then by the end of the day after you've rejected 3 or 4 you might eventually just say "fuck it" out of exhaustion and take whatever you can get.Plus, if the switched-girl looks really sympathetic, attractive and beautiful, I see no reason to turn her away, just because she or her "provider" is reluctant to reveal her identity on the internet. I am not on a crusade against girls who want to hide their second carrier, or lead some sort of double life. Actually, I rather prefer girls with a dash of prudence. It is more fun to instruct them.
TheyStoleMyName
04-29-11, 01:15
Plus, if the switched-girl looks really sympathetic, attractive and beautiful, I see no reason to turn her away, just because she or her "provider" is reluctant to reveal her identity on the internet. I am not on a crusade against girls who want to hide their second carrier, or lead some sort of double life. Actually, I rather prefer girls with a dash of prudence. It is more fun to instruct them.I just hate being conned. Being lied to puts me in a bad mood which means I'm probably not going to enjoy the sex anyway. It's also a red flag. If they're comfortable lying to you explicitly about the photos being real, they'll be comfortable lying to you about other things. Often when I find a girl with fake photos and choose to go through with the session anyway, I'll get crappy service, or things promised will not be delievered, or worst of all- it will be some sort of scam. If they are honest enough to post real pics then I'll be more comfortable with trusting them.
I'm choosy and like to pick who I'm going to be with and see what options are open to me. If all girls use fake pics but look "similar".. you can't do that. They NEVER look that similar... I'd rather see a bunch of pics of average or ugly girls and be able to pick the one that I like for whatever reason than see a bunch of non-representative pics of models, get my hopes up that the girl is going to be really hot, and then end up with someone who is a disappointment, wondering if maybe one of the other girls with fake pics I would have actually liked better. Why start off on the wrong foot like that? If they want to hide their identity, don't post any pics at all, or blur out the face or something. At the very least be honest when I ask you directly over the phone if the pics are real or not. I think maybe 1/50 will actually fess up if asked about it.
Taxi drivers in Kiev are by far the biggest scamers! I've only seen this nonsense in one Asian country I will not mention.
They will promise you anything and of course overcharge you for their services. Absolutely the worst human beings on the planet! Stay away from them and know your price when you have to use them.
I have a friend who used to go in Kiev every year, I asked him how hard it's to find top model girls for sex.
He said it's very easy, just take a taxi and tell him you want to have sex with beautiful girls!
Is it true or you will be mocked?
Another thing is to go to a night club for tourists and tell to the guy who will serve your drink that you will pay him an extra 20$ when he finds a very pretty girl and tell her to seat down with you.
Mamba looks good but the lack of privacy for registering is not appealing (mobile number).
Is there any system like the Romanian 'matrimonial' website for Kiev girls?
I just arrived back in town yesterday afternoon, and the freebie I had lined up for the weekend met up with me and went shopping for food and items to get my apartment set up with me but all the while I could tell there was something on her mind. This girl is so sexy that she is all I could have on my mind during the two weeks I was away from Kiev. When we got back to the apartment and we started kissing, it brought matters to a head and what was on her chest bubbled out. She had someone she was in love with and had been wrestling with going through with our tryst, but she didn't want to be that type of person. Holy Shit! She's all of 21 with all the true blue naivete of youth. As much as I tried to suggest to her that this lucky dude (also an older fellow) is probably shagging all over town and not loyal to her and undeserving of her loyalty, I had to stifle myself in admiration of her sincerity. I wished her well and off she went. I was profoundly disappointed though, having tasted and fingered her young taught pussy to its outer limits last time I saw her, and she has the sexiest ass I have seen in a pair of jeans even in Kiev, and that's sexy. Oh well, back to lick my wounds at my favorite hunting ground where the fish are all there in the barrel waiting for you. Rio.
I arrived around midnite and sat downstairs. I interviewed Yanna and another very pretty faced blonde whose name has slipped my mind, complete with private dance etc, but not enough English skills and I wasn't sure if I would enjoy Google Translate all night. So I didn't bite. I then went upstairs to the VIP room and saw a number of very cute young girls, deciding finally on Lika, who although didn't have great English skills made up for it in sheer cuteness and enthusiasm. While waiting for her to get dressed, I also saw Taya again (I had taken her home twice in beginning 2010) , beautiful as ever, but even though I came over to her with a big smile and tucked 100UAH into her garter while she was pole dancing I didn't sense the warmth I wanted that might portend a GFE experience. I will see what's in her head tonight maybe.
Anyway, is curvy and cute and petite and I am 5'11" and the disparity was a turn on to me. Something about Lika inspired me to one of my best performances yet, fucking her in some form or fashion in every room and surface of my apartment, for at least two hours on the clock. She was the ultimate in sexy when she was astride me in cowgirl and reverse cowgirl position, and I could watch her whole sexy profile fucking me but good in the mirror next to my bed. Awesome turn on and almost lost it there and then. But I was not about to allow an early termination of the festivities so I got on top and then I was more in control of the pace and when I would finish. I got creative and grabbed two Pillows off the bed and led her to the office desk in the other room for her to lie back on as I pumped into her for a while holding her buttocks in my palms with her legs slung over my arms and seeing her eyes roll up into her head in ecstasy was a real turn on. But then I dragged her over to the living room couch for some doggie style to the satisfying finish. Showers and back in bed. She had this smiley lovey goofy look in her eyes after that session as we lay in bed kissing and hugging, that just put the topping on an awesome GFE session. She made it clear that she thought I was some sort of sex god. Little did she know that she had taxed me to the end of my capabilities, and I have spent the better part of today recuperating and watching the royal wedding.
LJ
I just hate being conned. Being lied to puts me in a bad mood which means I'm probably not going to enjoy the sex anyway. It's also a red flag. If they're comfortable lying to you explicitly about the photos being real, they'll be comfortable lying to you about other things. Often when I find a girl with fake photos and choose to go through with the session anyway, I'll get crappy service, or things promised will not be delievered, or worst of all- it will be some sort of scam. If they are honest enough to post real pics then I'll be more comfortable with trusting them.
I'm choosy and like to pick who I'm going to be with and see what options are open to me. If all girls use fake pics but look "similar". You can't do that. They NEVER look that similar. I'd rather see a bunch of pics of average or ugly girls and be able to pick the one that I like for whatever reason than see a bunch of non-representative pics of models, get my hopes up that the girl is going to be really hot, and then end up with someone who is a disappointment, wondering if maybe one of the other girls with fake pics I would have actually liked better. Why start off on the wrong foot like that? If they want to hide their identity, don't post any pics at all, or blur out the face or something. At the very least be honest when I ask you directly over the phone if the pics are real or not. I think maybe 1/50 will actually fess up if asked about it. IMHO I think you are being wrong-headed about this and to your own detriment. The way I see it, a guy who feels the way you do about the fake pictures, would have two choices. (1) go to Rio or Buddha Bar, D'lux and other clubs and see what you're getting before you make a move, or (2) lose the idea that you are going to "encourage honesty" and change the use of fake pictures for escort advertisements. You are smart enough to understand the privacy concerns of the girls about having their pics on the wide open internet identifying them as escorts forever more. Just accept the fact that they need to do this and it's just the way it is. It's not meant for the purpose of "lying to you" personally, so you should try to get past taking such offense. If the girl is not pretty enough, just continue to send them away, until a good looking one shows up. And they do show up eventually, just read this thread to know this. And if you can't rewire your thinking, then go back to method one, and avoid further frustration. Try to find the best way for your time to be fun. Forget about reforming the escort industry in Kiev.
LJ
Insomniaque
04-29-11, 14:47
I got creative and grabbed two Pillows off the bed and led her to the office desk in the other room for her to lie back on as I pumped into her for a while holding her buttocks in my palms with her legs slung over my arms and seeing her eyes roll up into her head in ecstasy was a real turn on.Fuck me, I have to try this one.
Okay, I have a question (nothing to do with the above).
Regarding apartments (don't shoot me, please) there are several sites which I have been recommended here, namely:
http://apartments.com.ua
http://www.uaapartments.com
http://www.bestkievapartment.com
http://www.ukrainefare.com
Are there any others which are known to be reliable?
For my next trip I am thinking about sharing an apartment with a client (and a dirty dog, of course) and I am looking for something upscale. But I couldn't find anything to suit my needs. I mean, some apartments have a jacuzzi, some others a home cinema, some others a music system, some others a sauna, etc. But no all-in-one package!
I see most apartments on the above mentioned sites are below $200 per night. My fellow and I could probably go up to $250-300.
Where does one need to look in order to find something really impressive? Has anybody an idea?
Have a look at www.kievinn.com, I think that you must make a reservation early though. I haven't stayed there. The last time I tried to book an apartment with 2-3 days notice there was no availability.
Fuck me, I have to try this one.
Okay, I have a question (nothing to do with the above).
Regarding apartments (don't shoot me, please) there are several sites which I have been recommended here, namely:
http://apartments.com.ua
http://www.uaapartments.com
http://www.bestkievapartment.com
http://www.ukrainefare.com
Are there any others which are known to be reliable?
For my next trip I am thinking about sharing an apartment with a client (and a dirty dog, of course) and I am looking for something upscale. But I couldn't find anything to suit my needs. I mean, some apartments have a jacuzzi, some others a home cinema, some others a music system, some others a sauna, etc. But no all-in-one package!
I see most apartments on the above mentioned sites are below $200 per night. My fellow and I could probably go up to $250-300.
Where does one need to look in order to find something really impressive? Has anybody an idea?
Fuck me, I have to try this one.
Okay, I have a question (nothing to do with the above).
Regarding apartments (don't shoot me, please) there are several sites which I have been recommended here, namely:
http://apartments.com.ua
http://www.uaapartments.com
http://www.bestkievapartment.com
http://www.ukrainefare.com
Are there any others which are known to be reliable?
For my next trip I am thinking about sharing an apartment with a client (and a dirty dog, of course) and I am looking for something upscale. But I couldn't find anything to suit my needs. I mean, some apartments have a jacuzzi, some others a home cinema, some others a music system, some others a sauna, etc. But no all-in-one package!
I see most apartments on the above mentioned sites are below $200 per night. My fellow and I could probably go up to $250-300.
Where does one need to look in order to find something really impressive? Has anybody an idea? Dear Insomniaque.
I have exclusively used kievapts. Com for all my trips to Kiev and they have never let me down. They are well aware of my preferences for a clean, new looking luxury apartment downtown, and they have come thru every time. They usually send a couple of suggestions with links to the apartment info and pics on their website.
By the way, it doesn't need to be an office table, as a kitchen or dining room table works great, especially if near the large screen TV playing music video so you can hump to the rhythm.
LJ
TheyStoleMyName
04-30-11, 02:44
Taxi drivers in Kiev are by far the biggest scamers! I've only seen this nonsense in one Asian country I will not mention.
They will promise you anything and of course overcharge you for their services. Absolutely the worst human beings on the planet! Stay away from them and know your price when you have to use them. Why not mention the country? IMO the worst taxi drivers in the world are in the Philippines, though China and Bahrain at least give them a run for their money.
TheyStoleMyName
04-30-11, 02:57
IMHO I think you are being wrong-headed about this and to your own detriment. The way I see it, a guy who feels the way you do about the fake pictures, would have two choices. (1) go to Rio or Buddha Bar, D'lux and other clubs and see what you're getting before you make a move, or (2) lose the idea that you are going to "encourage honesty" and change the use of fake pictures for escort advertisements. You are smart enough to understand the privacy concerns of the girls about having their pics on the wide open internet identifying them as escorts forever more. Just accept the fact that they need to do this and it's just the way it is. It's not meant for the purpose of "lying to you" personally, so you should try to get past taking such offense. If the girl is not pretty enough, just continue to send them away, until a good looking one shows up. And they do show up eventually, just read this thread to know this. And if you can't rewire your thinking, then go back to method one, and avoid further frustration. Try to find the best way for your time to be fun. Forget about reforming the escort industry in Kiev.
LJNo, I will not accept that's just the way it is. That's retarded. I presented 4 very reasonable alternatives to your solution of just accepting that everyone is going to post fake pics, and so girls should keep posting fake pics anyway. Which is awful. These are very easy solutions for providers. I'll reiterate.
1. Post real pics. Chances are, your friends aren't going to see you anyway. If they do, they might not recognize you. If you do, then. You're a working girl. Get over it.
If you don't want your identity revealed online. Then ALL of these solutions would work just fine:
2. Don't post pics at all. This at least is being honest. Post a description. You won't have any unhappy customers this way. You might get fewer calls but you'll avoid wasting your own time going to customers and getting turned away and you'll avoid exposing yourself to the potential for violence from assholes who respond that way to getting ripped off.
3. Post pics with a mask, or obscured or blurred face. This is also perfectly honest and acceptable. The number of calls you get will only be slightly less, and at least your customers will know what your body looks like. For many of them, that's enough.
4. If you absolutely must, FINE, post fake pics. I'll still think you're a horrible person, but AT LEAST, AT THE VERY LEAST, either a) state in your ad that the pics are only meant to be an approximation not the real thing, or be) AT LEAST, when I ask you on the phone "ARE YOUR PICS REAL?" you answer: "NO! But they are close" or something like that. DON'T LIE. This is not an essential part of protecting your identity. The two things have NOTHING to do with one another.
Now for mongers, there are a few solutions to this when they find out that everyone is posting fake pics. Go to a club where you can see what you are getting in person. Use only reputable agencies that use real pics. Start going to other countries where the ethic is different. Or take your chances and turn away the girls who are liars. When you have resources, like this website, at your disposal then one of the best things you could do is find out from each other which girls are real, which sites are legit, which agencies use real pics, etc. All of these are better solutions than just accepting it's the way it is.
I'm not interested in reforming the escort industry in Kiev. I'm interested in having a good time, and as I said in my post, I won't if I'm being conned. Nothing I said was wrong-headed or out of line and I never once said anything to the effect that women who want to protect their identity should not be able to. I just said they should stop lying about it. If you ask them if the pics are real and they lie and say they are, that's obviously NOT about protecting their identity and all about false advertising. I don't have to feel any sympathy for those girls.
TheyStoleMyName
04-30-11, 03:01
Anyway, is curvy and cute and petite and I am 5'11" and the disparity was a turn on to me.I always love this, too. I'm 6'6" and I like getting little Filipinas or Thai girls that are 4'8".
no, i will not accept that's just the way it is. that's retarded. i presented 4 very reasonable alternatives to your solution of just accepting that everyone is going to post fake pics, and so girls should keep posting fake pics anyway. which is awful. these are very easy solutions for providers. i'll reiterate.
1. post real pics. chances are, your friends aren't going to see you anyway. if they do, they might not recognize you. if you do, then. you're a working girl. get over it.
if you don't want your identity revealed online. then all of these solutions would work just fine:
2. don't post pics at all. this at least is being honest. post a description. you won't have any unhappy customers this way. you might get fewer calls but you'll avoid wasting your own time going to customers and getting turned away and you'll avoid exposing yourself to the potential for violence from assholes who respond that way to getting ripped off.
3. post pics with a mask, or obscured or blurred face. this is also perfectly honest and acceptable. the number of calls you get will only be slightly less, and at least your customers will know what your body looks like. for many of them, that's enough.
4. if you absolutely must, fine, post fake pics. i'll still think you're a horrible person, but at least, at the very least, either a) state in your ad that the pics are only meant to be an approximation not the real thing, or be) at least, when i ask you on the phone "are your pics real?" you answer: "no! but they are close" or something like that. don't lie. this is not an essential part of protecting your identity. the two things have nothing to do with one another.
now for mongers, there are a few solutions to this when they find out that everyone is posting fake pics. go to a club where you can see what you are getting in person. use only reputable agencies that use real pics. start going to other countries where the ethic is different. or take your chances and turn away the girls who are liars. when you have resources, like this website, at your disposal then one of the best things you could do is find out from each other which girls are real, which sites are legit, which agencies use real pics, etc. all of these are better solutions than just accepting it's the way it is.
i'm not interested in reforming the escort industry in kiev. i'm interested in having a good time, and as i said in my post, i won't if i'm being conned. nothing i said was wrong-headed or out of line and i never once said anything to the effect that women who want to protect their identity should not be able to. i just said they should stop lying about it. if you ask them if the pics are real and they lie and say they are, that's obviously not about protecting their identity and all about false advertising. i don't have to feel any sympathy for those girls. you may not have realized, but i could care less about the girls who post fake pics and also have no sympathy for them when they do this. what i did care about is you, as a fellow hobbyist wasting your time, emotions and effort on trying to move the world to a different axis, instead of having more fun. i too have wrestled internally with the "bait and switch" fake picture situation in kiev and sought / suggested solutions (look up my prior posts if your interested).
i can see from your post that you are an analytical person and an organized thinker. surely you can realize that none of the solutions you offered has the slightest potential of changing the behavior of the agencies in kiev. these agencies are only interested in what they think will generate the most calls they can receive and they are counting on the libido of the horny customer to whom they send their girls to cause the customer to go forward despite the difference in appearance of the girl from the fake pic.
i'm sure you realize that it is the truth that many horny men will say to themselves "true she isn't the beauty i saw in the fake pics, but let me see, my balls are swinging low, i am backed up and need to shoot this load somewhere, let me take a look at the female standing in front of me and see if can feel that churning and yearning in my loins for her. and then his sperm start sending his brain messages like,"oh yeah, look at the hot lines on her sexy ass, look at the way those jeans fit her taught sexy little pussy area, wow, she does it for me." meanwhile commands start issuing forth from command," now hear this! all hands, rig for depth charges!" and then chief petty officer they stole my name comes running into the bridge and says,"but wait captain! what about the new prime directive that says we should just send the girls away for fake pic usage?" to which captain sperm says,"the hell with that man, can't you see i have a mess on my hands here that needs handlin'. now get those tor****es ready for firing!"
insofar as your 4 suggestions are directed at the villainous fake pic escort agencies, who have absolutely no interest in what you have to say or recommend to them, these suggestions can not accomplish anything.
the only way to influence an economic entity selling a product is to interfere with their profits. but this assumes the escort agencies function based on the free market logic in the capitalist system, which i don't believe is the case with eastern europe mentalities. so just because something seems to be better for business doesn't mean that it will be accepted. if you are hoping to organize a boycott among your fellow mongers, i do not believe captain sperm or any of his buddies will rise above their personal emergencies when the time comes and it is an unenforceable boycott.
the only way to change things by influencing profits that i could think of is to build an independent monger sponsored escort website that collects info on who is real, identifies and reviews real escorts and provides them with free advertising as a service to the monger community. since access to the website is restricted to qualified consumers who are mongers and is not open to internet, privacy is assured and maybe offering your suggestion of the option of blurred face ads will address any remaining privacy concerns. with such direction toward true pussy, even captain sperm will direct his energies to finding his most desirable targets, and the effect will be a massive shift of actual business to the real pic providers and away from the fake agencies. but creating such a website and operating it requires technical knowledge and funding. there has been no reaction since i wrote this suggestion, indicating there is no interest or ability amongst us here on the thread to take up this idea. ergo, things are going to remain as they are, a sad but true reality. somy advice is, don't waste your time on this crusade anymore.
lj
TheyStoleMyName
04-30-11, 19:10
I agree, the agencies are interested in generating money and calls. That's why turning girls away who use fake pics is a good thing. If enough people do it, it DOES have the chance of changing the way they operate. If we boycott agencies that use fake pics, and give more business to those that use real ones, it can have just that affect. And if it never does, then at least those of us who like to know what we are getting before it gets there can exchange information and find out how best to do that.
I know most of the guys who use these agencies are probably Ukrainians themselves who never read these forums. So maybe the best we can hope for is the latter and not the former. But I do think if more people thought like me it would change things. And if word gets out that an agency uses only real pics I think it can also be very good for their business. We don't need to create a whole new website.
p.s. I think you're having trouble telling the difference between a crusade and just some run-of-the-mill bitching. :) I'm not losing sleep over this.
Just for uprising & the brotherhoon =) I've turned away 3 uggs so far.
If unacceptable walks up to the door, then I plan to be fair & practical.
Especially from some rip off wait & switch pimps.
I asked to see a woman the other night. Instead godzilla showed up!
No shit GoDzIlLA!
Nice enough personality. But I say hey lady, this isn't you is it? Huh. Is it you.
Yes agrees. Obviously wasnt the girl.
So I phone the agent & say I want the lady in the picture Hello!
She's busy for 2 hours. Okay well pickup your friend.
You got to pay taxi. Long story short no.
However I felt a little compassion, while we waited I made us a coffee before her pickup.
& out of the goldness of my heart I gave her 50grn for she was talking about she has to pay the taxi.
Blah blah (bullshit)
First I saif she gets nothing complain to your boss for obvious reason if its true what you say.
Anyway I give 50grn next thing she starts asking for another 50grn. 50 here & 50 back.
Do a good deed fellas. & what do you get in return.
Give a hand they want the arm.
Anyway I go to bed just before I fall asleep who pitches up? The girl on the photo.
Ring ring, knock knock. So within the 20 mins after big bird left, the proper girl appears.
Like an practicing ametur stripper as well, so with a pretty dam good blowjob & some dancing,
Dim lights & music.
It was good enough to satisfy my monger-ness for the night.
She was like an athlete giving me the blow job! Seriously. Like a disco blow job.
It was good I had two.
I agree, the agencies are interested in generating money and calls. That's why turning girls away who use fake pics is a good thing. If enough people do it, it DOES have the chance of changing the way they operate. If we boycott agencies that use fake pics, and give more business to those that use real ones, it can have just that affect. And if it never does, then at least those of us who like to know what we are getting before it gets there can exchange information and find out how best to do that.
I know most of the guys who use these agencies are probably Ukrainians themselves who never read these forums. So maybe the best we can hope for is the latter and not the former. But I do think if more people thought like me it would change things. And if word gets out that an agency uses only real pics I think it can also be very good for their business. We don't need to create a whole new website.
P. S. I think you're having trouble telling the difference between a crusade and just some run-of-the-mill bitching. . I'm not losing sleep over this. My friend, I'm glad you're not losing sleep over this. I hope you are losing sleep because of having great sex all night with awesome looking model type girls like I do.
Bitching sometimes is good for the system. Let it all out. And by all means continue to send away the unappealing or ugly ones, as we all do.
But DON'T do one thing: Don't send away a truly hot pretty sexy girl who comes to your door, just because she is different than an internet pic you saw. No normal guys will follow you in this, there will be no boycott of such girls, and you're only hurting yourself, not changing any Kiev agencies stupid practices. If a hot girl shows up, just thank your lucky stars that you got a hottie and enjoy her to the fullest.
I'm dissapointed that even after my attempt at creative writing about Captain Sperm and how he and all his buddies will not join you in your boycott of hot pussy in the name of some principle that decries the use of fake pics, you still write a sentence like,"If enough people do it, it DOES have the chance of changing the way they operate." Now there's nothing wrong with your logic there. But the key word is "IF". Because it's not a practical possibility. It won't happen in the real world. Guys will only turn away ugly girls, not pretty and hot ones. So an across the board boycott of all fake pic girls, which is essentially all girls from internet, will simply not happen in the real world. You need to keep a grasp of reality. There are no agencies to flock to with normal prices of $100 USD or below per hour that don't use fake or highly photo-shopped pics. Top-modals. Com only has some real photos that are actually real. Gia is the only agency that does use real pics and all of us who read this thread all well aware of Gia, but don't flock there because of their too high prices.
I can see that you are a dreamer. Being a dreamer is good, because optimists are usually in better spirits than most. But if this tendency to be a dreamer and oblivious to the practical situation, will cause you to send away pretty girls who you could have enjoyed, then it is getting in your way. Try to listen to me. You are only visiting Kiev for a short time. Try to enjoy it as much as you can and don't give up good opportunities that present themselves, in the name of some misguided principle that is not practical for now, or you will lose out. After our back and forth exchange thus far, I don't believe I will convince you, but there's a possibility. Anyway, I mainly write these words more for the benefit of newbies considering Kiev, so that they have a good grasp on how to handle themselves here.
For you, however, if your budget allows, I encourage you to do as I have been doing, and go to Rio strip club located on Bogdan Khmeilnitskaga Street to enter a special part of the Kiev paradise. None of the 70 girls you can meet there are virgins, but they are varying degrees of awesome, hot, pretty and uber sexy stripper dancer types. Here the only thing fake you might encounter are boobs, but a very large percentage of these young Ukrainian girls are all natural. I have yet to encounter fake boobs on any girl I have chosen for a private dance. You can also go to their sister club, Paradise, but it is smaller and far away (a 20 minute taxi ride from downtown Kreshatik). In these strip clubs you can really vet a girl and see if there's good chemistry and a GFE experience possibility because of what can happen in the private dances for 200 UAH ($25 USD) for two songs, and these dances are way more touchy feely than lapdances in the USA strip clubs. Or you can go to regular nightclubs mentioned in this thread where you can at least see and talk to the girl beforehand.
Last night I splurged and took an awesome looking duo out of Rio for a whole night of awesome sex, with incredibly hot imagery burned into my memory for use on those days back in the USA that I need a boost, but this is a story for another post.
LJ
I agree it is not nice to get a different girl, especially if we lost some time to choose the one we really like, but I am sure almost nobody will send back a girl at same level of beauty.
Most of us are in Kiev for a short time and the first goal is to have hot girls, we have not enough time to send back girls until the one who shows up is the same of the pic, there is no fun at all to send back girls and wait, not to mention that with a bit of lucky the one who shows up can offer even a higher level of GFE than the one we choose.
......Or you can go to regular nightclubs mentioned in this thread where you can at least see and talk to the girl beforehand.Do you mean Buddha Bar and D-Lux, right? A third one could be?
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Last night I splurged and took an awesome looking duo out of Rio for a whole night of awesome sex, with incredibly hot imagery burned into my memory for use on those days back in the USA that I need a boost, but this is a story for another post.
LJI am looking forward to your next post ;)
This fantasy was implanted in my mind ever since the days long ago that I used to watch the situation comedy "Three's Company" on TV (don't know if this program ever made it outside the USA to European countries). It was about a guy living with two hot girls. In those days (the 70's?) he had to lie to the landlord of the building and claim to be gay in order to be permitted to live openly with the two pretty girls, and since he was really a girl-hound this made for some great comedy. Then I grew up, married and divorced, and eventually became a monger, in the back of my mind looking for the opportunity for the perfect three-some. Don't misunderstand, I have been with two girls before a number of times, but it had always been lacking in perfection, or worse. I came to the conclusion early on that for it to be really great the two girls also have to be into each other. Not full lesbians, because then I don't have a chance, but bisexual and attracted to each other. My opportunity finally came last night with two girls from Rio strip club.
The first girl was a brunette who I met last year at Rio with one of the sexiest rock hard bodies you will ever see in stripper-land, and a pretty face with eyes and a smile that exude sweetness. And she does have a soft and sweet personality, and the most marvelous abdominal musculature that I've seen convulse in orgasm after I deliver to her some awesome oral sex, which I have come to be very skilled at. She reciprocates with genuine good will, which is the only way to really enjoy a blow job for me. I don't appreciate a mere skillful treatment as much, if it is too clinical and impersonal. I like the girl to love my dick and show it. I was so inspired in my first session with her that I managed to have sex with her in various positions for the full three hours, getting real value for the $300 fee. I saw her again this year in February, and the sessions were great. She then told me that she also liked girls and confessed to already having sex with two other Rio girls already. I asked her to show me who, and when she did, I almost came in my pants. The 2nd girl was an elegant princess of a girl, with long thick dirty blond hair, a perfect body and model pretty face. She called this 2nd girl over to our table, and I fell in love with the 2nd girl too. The plan was agreed to and we would be together as a 3some when I was back in Kiev the next weekend.
The next weekend came, but on the appointed night, the 1st girl didn't show at Rio club, so I took the blond princess and did a right proper job on her that night. Now I had a strong sexual connection with blondy too. I saw her again for a great session two weeks ago, and basically had a good chermistry with both girls independently. This was why I had high hopes for this three-some, and they were not misplaced. Last night was awesome. A fellow ISG member who PM'd me and met me at Rio club last night can vouch for the fact that I am not exaggerating about how hot and pretty these two girls were. He made a fine selection too, and I hope she treated him well. But back to my fantasy.
I seated the blond princess naked on the couch and had the brunette lie back with her head in the lap of blondy, as I proceeded to deliver the best oral I could (which the girls all tell me is pretty damn good) to the brunette from a kneeling position alongside the couch. Now here is what was exciting and a major turn on for me: the effect on my blond princess of what I was doing to her friend laying in her lap, the brunette's heavy breathing, moaning, gasping, shuddering, crying out, her convulsing in a mind bending orgasm was really turning blondy on big time, and the sexual excitement of the two of them had the same effect on me.
To be continued. I am expecting the awesome Inna from vodkaescort any minute now.
LJ
Liljoey,
I like your post man!
I wish you pure fun with Inna!
P. S. Take pics of her ;)
AColonizer
05-01-11, 15:25
I have already talked about to create a "trust of mongers" to face the "trust of agencies for foreigners" some years ago. I am glad to listen it again now by somebody else.
"Agencies" are for foreigners (Ukrainians get everything they want for much less) and it shouldn't be a surprise to know they are co-managered by Western "businessmen" (as the same about so-called marriage agencies).
From some years ago until nowadays, very few mongers have faced that trouble and therefore, despite the crisis, agencies suggest the same or higher prices to their prostitutes, because there are always enough Western customers paying those prices with no knowledge about Ukrainian background: when Ukrainian customers are not happy about services, they roughly take money back.
What is happening in Kiev is a kind of "Moscowization": fake pictures, fake services, fake prices, only in-call services, body-guards in the same apartment, rubber-doll services, etc. For foreigners-oriented brothels in Moscow. By luck, that has not happened completely in Kiev yet. In fact I still find some honest out-call prostitutes saying "advertiment is not true" and they go back home with no "taxi money". This is a reason because I prefer Ukraine instead of the "great motherland" Russia.
In the last year, I realized foreigners, who often go to Ukraine, are wealthy or they have a good job in Ukraine, therefore they don't mind about time and money and services because they are "in the game" and they are not in a hurry to create their own Ukrainian harem.
The scene is very different for occasional tourists with very different expectations.
For example, I had very high expectations when I came to Kiev for the first time 4 years ago, because in my region I found Ukrainians making unbelievable things for good prices.
Therefore I was expecting a town full of girls swallowing my sperm for cheap prices with no negotiations. Instead it seemed the golden age was already over!
Yes, we can find some young and beautiful and piggy and cheap Ukrainians but they are very few in comparison of the amount of girls in Kiev and, above all, the quality of sex (and of the sexual perversions too) is not high absolutely: GFE should be an usual attitude and the start of any kind of sexual business, swallow deepthroat blowjob should be a basic service, fuck pussy and ass without condom should be normal for known customers, and also it should be available multiple fistings and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)-drinking, because prostitutes exist for that!
Instead we, Western men, are still talking about futile things: "politically correct" doesn't mean "real politik"!
I agree, the agencies are interested in generating money and calls. That's why turning girls away who use fake pics is a good thing. If enough people do it, it DOES have the chance of changing the way they operate. If we boycott agencies that use fake pics, and give more business to those that use real ones, it can have just that affect. And if it never does, then at least those of us who like to know what we are getting before it gets there can exchange information and find out how best to do that.
I know most of the guys who use these agencies are probably Ukrainians themselves who never read these forums. So maybe the best we can hope for is the latter and not the former. But I do think if more people thought like me it would change things. And if word gets out that an agency uses only real pics I think it can also be very good for their business. We don't need to create a whole new website.
P. S. I think you're having trouble telling the difference between a crusade and just some run-of-the-mill bitching. . I'm not losing sleep over this.
Check out her pics on their website. She's very real and very sexy. This makes the second girl I have tried from vodka who is real, and not fake pics, the first being Julia, of whom I've written before. Inna is a very pretty, sexy girl, with a great body and great smile. She is GFE all the way. I fell in love. Again. LOL. She lives or visits with her parents about 2 hours travel from Kiev and so doesn't like to travel for short 3 hour dates, but will on occasion, like this one, do so.
Vodka says it specialises in long term dates of overnights and full days, but this is mainly due to its limitations as an agency trying to serve the Kiev market with girls from Odessa or every other small town between Odessa and Kiev. Their girls' long travel time to Kiev makes short appointments of only 3 hours in Kiev less efficient and desirable for them. Yet there are a number of girls who will provide a 3 hour appointment in Kiev. The three hour appointment minimum makes this option more like Rio strip club which also has a 3 hour minimum. However Vodka Escort has been trying to bump up their price to 250 Euro for 3 hours which is a touch higher than the $300 USD that is the fee at Rio. But after I haggled them to death pointing out the competition's rates, they let me pay the $300 USD rate for the 3 hours with Inna. The truth is I don't care for the looks of most of the girls on Vodka's website. They do not have the hot bodies of the dancers at Rio. The pics of many of th girls on Vodka's website do not adequately show the body type. And there are some girls on Vodka who have their heads in the sky and seek ridiculously higher rates. Yet there are a few gems, and Inna is one of them.
LJ
[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1150989]Check out her pics on their website. She's very real and very sexy. This makes the second girl I have tried from vodka who is real, and not fake pics, the first being Julia, of whom I've written before. Inna is a very pretty, sexy girl, with a great body and great smile. She is GFE all the way. I fell in love. Again. LOL. She lives or visits with her parents about 2 hours travel from Kiev and so doesn't like to travel for short 3 hour dates, but will on occasion, like this one, do so.
Vodka says it specialises in long term dates of overnights and full days, but this is mainly due to its limitations as an agency trying to serve the Kiev market with girls from Odessa or every other small town between Odessa and Kiev. Their girls' long travel time to Kiev makes short appointments of only 3 hours in Kiev less efficient and desirable for them. Yet there are a number of girls who will provide a 3 hour appointment in Kiev. The three hour appointment minimum makes this option more like Rio strip club which also has a 3 hour minimum. However Vodka Escort has been trying to bump up their price to 250 Euro for 3 hours which is a touch higher than the $300 USD that is the fee at Rio. But after I haggled them to death pointing out the competition's rates, they let me pay the $300 USD rate for the 3 hours with Inna. The truth is I don't care for the looks of most of the girls on Vodka's website. They do not have the hot bodies of the dancers at Rio. The pics of many of th girls on Vodka's website do not adequately show the body type. And there are some girls on Vodka who have their heads in the sky and seek ridiculously higher rates. Yet there are a few gems, and Inna is one of them.
Hi Liljoey.
So the photos of the gilrs on VodkaEscort are genuine?
Joe is, indeed, not exaggerating about the hotness of the girls. The brunette was attractive and a sweetheart, but the blonde may have truly been one of the prettiest girls I have ever seen. She had the face of an angel. I thought I knew what a ten was, and then this girl completely reset my scale. Her face would rate an 11-12 on my 'old' scale.
In general, I have never seen such a pretty ensemble as one sees just walking down the streets of Kiev. It is truly amazing. Most of the girls have these bright blue or green eyes and they are all usually in good shape and dress to the nines. Fully 1/4 of them look like they are sisters or cousins of Megan Fox or Mila Kunis.
TheyStoleMyName
05-01-11, 20:06
See? Apparently there are some agencies out there that use real pics. I knew there had to be. This is precisely the kind of information that I would like to share.
Julia and Inna look like pretty girls. Julie obviously had a really nice body. Though there are lots on the site that I think are prettier. Some are, like you say, though, very overpriced. You can tell all the pics have been heavily photoshopped but I think that I have gotten to the point where I can tell if a girl is going to be beautiful or not even through the photoshop manipulation.
These ones caught my eye-
Tina- gorgeous face and look at those tits! Spectacular. Minimum rate is high but it's also for 12 hours which would be nice if she is full-service mode the whole time.
Lanny. Overpriced but. Goddaman.
Nicole. 3 hour available. Great body. Could be Megan Fox's twin.
Oksana. What a cutie.
Yenny. VERY sexy Dominican girl, I think. And at a cheaper rate I guess maybe since Ukrainians are racists.
Vera. Very cute face. Kinda hard to tell about the body.
What's this thing about the member discount? It says you can get a 100 EUR discount for each meeting. But you must be a member for 3 months and have more than 200 bonus. Also their English is not clear. They say something about 2 days. Do you have to book 2 days in advance. Or do you have to book an escort for 2 whole days! To get the 100 EUR discount?
If membership doesn't cost a lot, and if the 200 bonus isn't hard to get, and if you don't have to book a lady for 2 straight days to get a discount, then that might be a good deal. If you earn enough bonus points you can cash them in for free meetings. They also offer to send complete nude photo sets of all their past and current escorts to members. But there are not many details on the site about this that I found.
TheyStoleMyName
05-01-11, 20:11
Fully 1/4 of them look like they are sisters or cousins of Megan Fox or Mila Kunis.I've always thought Mila Kunis was cute, don't get me wrong, but then she was in that one movie where she was playing the sister of Olga Kurlyenko, and I kept thinking through the whole thing, DAMN. She's the ugly sister in that family.
See? Apparently there are some agencies out there that use real pics. I knew there had to be. This is precisely the kind of information that I would like to share.
Julia and Inna look like pretty girls. Julie obviously had a really nice body. Though there are lots on the site that I think are prettier. Some are, like you say, though, very overpriced. You can tell all the pics have been heavily photoshopped but I think that I have gotten to the point where I can tell if a girl is going to be beautiful or not even through the photoshop manipulation.
These ones caught my eye-
Tina- gorgeous face and look at those tits! Spectacular. Minimum rate is high but it's also for 12 hours which would be nice if she is full-service mode the whole time.
Lanny. Overpriced but. Goddaman.
Nicole. 3 hour available. Great body. Could be Megan Fox's twin.
Oksana. What a cutie.
Yenny. VERY sexy Dominican girl, I think. And at a cheaper rate I guess maybe since Ukrainians are racists.
Vera. Very cute face. Kinda hard to tell about the body.
What's this thing about the member discount? It says you can get a 100 EUR discount for each meeting. But you must be a member for 3 months and have more than 200 bonus. Also their English is not clear. They say something about 2 days. Do you have to book 2 days in advance. Or do you have to book an escort for 2 whole days! To get the 100 EUR discount?
If membership doesn't cost a lot, and if the 200 bonus isn't hard to get, and if you don't have to book a lady for 2 straight days to get a discount, then that might be a good deal. If you earn enough bonus points you can cash them in for free meetings. They also offer to send complete nude photo sets of all their past and current escorts to members. But there are not many details on the site about this that I found. I can only vouch for the bona fides of the two girls I actually met. But I see no reason to doubt that the other girls are not also real.
Also you must look at the city under each girl's picture to see where they are available. For example Yanny is now in Dominican Republic, not Kiev. This agency started an operation in Dominican Republic to compete with the adult vacation companies located in DR.
About membership discounts I know nothing because I never took it that far. It is true though that they discount the long term appointment (12 hrs or more) rate to make it affordable. But I never wanted to tie up that kind of time with one girl while in Kiev. Maybe 12 hours would be ok with Karina or Vera two of their spectacular girls.
Lastly, this agency does not compete with what's available at Rio, where I'm telling you there are very hot bodied pretty faced girls one after the other and you can get for all night for $400.
JetSetr has seconded my opinion of the good looking blondy I had in last night's duo.
Also anyone coming to Kiev in coming months, keep asking at Rio when their sister club Mandarin will be reopening.
You may be the guy who will more fully investigate Vodka and report on it in this thread. Power to you.
LJ
TheyStoleMyName
05-02-11, 00:05
Lastly, this agency does not compete with what's available at Rio, where I'm telling you there are very hot bodied pretty faced girls one after the other and you can get for all night for $400.Okay, so, out of curiosity. Why use them at all? You have to try and figure out what the girls look like through photoshopped pics, sounds like the prices are higher, and according to you they're not nearly as hot and there's not as much to choose from. Plus you might be looking at a 3 hour travel time. So. Why use them at all? Why don't you always go to Rio? Just trying something different?
Is $400 really the going rate in Ukraine for long time? That seems awfully expensive for such a dirt-poor country. Emiratis have got some serious cash to throw around, and I can find girls in Dubai easily enough to spend the night with me for $200 or less.
Okay, so, out of curiosity. Why use them at all? You have to try and figure out what the girls look like through photoshopped pics, sounds like the prices are higher, and according to you they're not nearly as hot and there's not as much to choose from. Plus you might be looking at a 3 hour travel time. So. Why use them at all? Why don't you always go to Rio? Just trying something different?
Is $400 really the going rate in Ukraine for long time? That seems awfully expensive for such a dirt-poor country. Emiratis have got some serious cash to throw around, and I can find girls in Dubai easily enough to spend the night with me for $200 or less. I investigate all options. The girls on Vodkaescort. Com available for 200 Euro / 3 hours were at a rate comparable favorably with Rio price of $300 USD / 3hours. That fact remains the same and is the reason to also try girls from Vodka if they appeal to you. I merely pointed out that the price on Vodka for periods of time of 6 hours or greater was not competitive with Rio prices. Don't confuse the two issues.
At Rio you can get a girl for entire night for $400. The number of hours you will get for $400 will depend on what time you take her out of club. The best buy would be to come early to Rio like 8. 9pm and then you would get 8 hours from 9pm till 5am when they officially have to go back to club. Some girls will agree to not return to club at 5am and will stay till later in the morning too. So clearly for more than 3 hours the price at Rio of $400 is better than the price at Vodka of 350 Euro or more.
No, no, no. $400 is not "the going rate in Ukraine for long time" at all. It is merely the rate for all night at Rio. In nightclubs the prices the girls ask are different, usually higher than this. Obviously your $200 / night Dubai ho's are a better rate. But what do they look like comared to the Rio strippers?
At nightclubs you can get a price for two hours usually. There is no 3 hour minimum. At nightclubs, girls will ask for $400 for 2 hours, or $300/2 hours. You will have to negotiate hard to get price down to $200/2hours, but it's possible, more so as the night wears on, especially with the less gorgeous girls. So as you can see, Rio is a pretty good alternative. I got lazy this weekend and in fact did go to Rio each night.
But I also took 2 girls from Vodka escort too. Other guys are pulling girls from top-modals. Com and mamba. Ru where you can get much better rates. You should mix it up for a varied experience.
LJ
I investigate all options. The girls on Vodkaescort. Com available for 200 Euro / 3 hours were at a rate comparable favorably with Rio price of $300 USD / 3hours. That fact remains the same and is the reason to also try girls from Vodka if they appeal to you. I merely pointed out that the price on Vodka for periods of time of 6 hours or greater was not competitive with Rio prices. Don't confuse the two issues.
At Rio you can get a girl for entire night for $400. The number of hours you will get for $400 will depend on what time you take her out of club. The best buy would be to come early to Rio like 8. 9pm and then you would get 8 hours from 9pm till 5am when they officially have to go back to club. Some girls will agree to not return to club at 5am and will stay till later in the morning too. So clearly for more than 3 hours the price at Rio of $400 is better than the price at Vodka of 350 Euro or more.
No, no, no. $400 is not "the going rate in Ukraine for long time" at all. It is merely the rate for all night at Rio. In nightclubs the prices the girls ask are different, usually higher than this. Obviously your $200 / night Dubai ho's are a better rate. But what do they look like comared to the Rio strippers?
At nightclubs you can get a price for two hours usually. There is no 3 hour minimum. At nightclubs, girls will ask for $400 for 2 hours, or $300/2 hours. You will have to negotiate hard to get price down to $200/2hours, but it's possible, more so as the night wears on, especially with the less gorgeous girls. So as you can see, Rio is a pretty good alternative. I got lazy this weekend and in fact did go to Rio each night.
But I also took 2 girls from Vodka escort too. Other guys are pulling girls from top-modals. Com and mamba. Ru where you can get much better rates. You should mix it up for a varied experience.
LJI've met a few of the more experienced lads on here, some for an hour. Others we've hungout for many days before they left. Some live here & others are in Kiev regular. & for some reason when I ask would you like to venture to Rio? No one is interested. Or its a no-no not Rio.
So I am assuming its got to do with their current level of quality. & cheaper options now understanding & being established.
Or is their something more sinister relating to Rio possibly?
Besides a few girls I've pulled with no costs apart from a few drinks. A few girls in Bhudda have offered $100 per hour with changing rates to hours spent.
Top modals. You never know what you going to get.
Mamba. You never get what you want, though it's not all bad. Price can be more competitive here.
Guys I want to see this vodka escort site. However when I click the link in google or yahoo. www.vodkaescort.com
It goes to this:
http://www.escortstonight.com/php-bin/top100/in.php?id=vodkaes
Then theirs this site with really nobody on here.
Vodka-escort. Com.
Is it a web browser issue? Why am I getting redirected.
Once redirected to escortstonight I can scroll down to Vodka Escorts, though if I click Vodka Escorts it goes back to the the top of the escortstonight page. Not entering the vodka escort site.
TheyStoleMyName
05-02-11, 06:10
Guys I want to see this vodka escort site. However when I click the link in google or yahoo.
www.vodkaescort.com
It goes to this:
http://www.escortstonight.com/php-bin/top100/in.php?id=vodkaes
Then theirs this site with really nobody on here.
Vodka-escort. Com.
Is it a web browser issue? Why am I getting redirected.
Once redirected to escortstonight I can scroll down to Vodka Escorts, though if I click Vodka Escorts it goes back to the the top of the escortstonight page. Not entering the vodka escort site. That's weird. When I click on your link it takes me directly to the real site. No problems for me and the site works fine. Must be on your end
If you are in Ukraine, you can t see vodkaescort.
I believe there is check on the ip adress.
Guys I want to see this vodka escort site. However when I click the link in google or yahoo.
www.vodkaescort.com
It goes to this:
http://www.escortstonight.com/php-bin/top100/in.php?id=vodkaes
Then theirs this site with really nobody on here.
Vodka-escort. Com.
Is it a web browser issue? Why am I getting redirected.
Once redirected to escortstonight I can scroll down to Vodka Escorts, though if I click Vodka Escorts it goes back to the the top of the escortstonight page. Not entering the vodka escort site.
TheyStoleMyName
05-02-11, 06:24
Obviously your $200 / night Dubai ho's are a better rate. But what do they look like comared to the Rio strippers?Not sure, having never been there. I've been with some hotties in Dubai but have no idea what the Rio girls look like. Looking through the photo album section of this site for Ukraine. Most of the girls are nothing special. Have you posted any pics from girls at Rio?
I know prices go up and down depending on where you go and what girls you're looking at. Still seems really pricey to me. I mean, I haven't been to Eastern Europe since 2004. But. Back then anyway everything was dirt cheap. The Ukrainian and Belorussian girls I had in Poland were about $40. The prostitutes I picked up in Romania were $12. And just about any "regular" girl could be had at clubs or restaurants if you flashed 50 bucks at them. I know the economy has improved generally in most of these countries, and maybe it's just that Ukraine is different, or maybe it's that Rio girls are simply the local creme de la creme. Or a little bit of all of the above.
And again, has been a while since I looked seriously or have been there myself. But I used to know of a few agencies in Germany and Czech where you could get with legitimate porn stars like Brittany Stone, for less money. Anetta Keyes used to dance at a club in Prague. Not sure if she went home with customers or not but the girls are the same club were available for fairly cheap.
Sorry if I'm clogging up the thread with old news.
If the girls are as gorgeous as you claim, stay with you from 8pm on all night. That might be worth the price tag. I'd pay it if it was real GFE all night and they were into some kinkier / riskier stuff and let me take pictures or movies.
If you are in Ukraine, you can t see vodkaescort.
I believe there is check on the ip adress. Okay so that must be it then. I am in the Ukraine Kiev.
Guys I want to see this vodka escort site. However when I click the link in google or yahoo.
www.vodkaescort.com
It goes to this:
http://www.escortstonight.com/php-bin/top100/in.php?id=vodkaes
Then theirs this site with really nobody on here.
Vodka-escort. Com.
Is it a web browser issue? Why am I getting redirected.
Once redirected to escortstonight I can scroll down to Vodka Escorts, though if I click Vodka Escorts it goes back to the the top of the escortstonight page. Not entering the vodka escort site. Friends, Inside Ukraine I am able to access the vodkaescort. Com website from my Blackberry phone with no problems. Probably any phone with a data connection for internet access will also work. However, you will not be able to connect to the site from a Ukraine computer connection. In this instance, you should send an email to the agency asking them to send you names and photos of the girls available on your dates of interest and ask for the rates for 3 hours. 6 hours. 12 hours etc whatever your interest is.
LJ
I've met a few of the more experienced lads on here, some for an hour. Others we've hungout for many days before they left. Some live here & others are in Kiev regular. & for some reason when I ask would you like to venture to Rio? No one is interested. Or its a no-no not Rio.
So I am assuming its got to do with their current level of quality. & cheaper options now understanding & being established.
Or is their something more sinister relating to Rio possibly?
Besides a few girls I've pulled with no costs apart from a few drinks. A few girls in Bhudda have offered $100 per hour with changing rates to hours spent.
Top modals. You never know what you going to get.
Mamba. You never get what you want, though it's not all bad. Price can be more competitive here. Mystery, you have been writing about your adventures and misadventures reporting the facts to us, which is helpful. The only solution for you if you've developed a paranoia about something sinister at Rio, is for you to invest a small amount of time and go see for yourself, if you doubt the reports. You will find at Rio a fair number of very hot girls of the highest quality. Do not doubt this.
As to your veteran friends you mentioned, you have to keep in mind that the 3 hour minimum and $300 price tag is not necessarily desirable to those with less expensive tastes or budgets, or to those who have developed over time other cheaper options for girls that adequately satisfy their desires. I myself never went to Rio when the River Palace was open because I could get what I wanted at the River Palace for $200, or even less sometimes. But times have changed, the River Palace is not there now, and for me $200 for 2 hours at the River Palace, is the same hourly rate as $300 for 3 hours, and I know what to do with 3 hours with a hot girl. Others who prefer to get their business done in a shorter time frame may not prefer Rio. On mamba and top-modals you can get girls for the same $100 per hour rate, but in 1 hour increments. But for that $100 for 1 hour option on mamba or top-modals you must go thru a lot of time wasting bullshit and then be very lucky to get a hottie. It's all up to individual choice as to how to go. For myself, I chose to forgo the bullshit and focus more on quality experiences. I made peace with the 3 hour minimum at Rio and had a ball. I'm surte I spent a lot more than some veteran mongers who are able to call on girls they knoew from past trips and spend less.
Best to stick to reporting facts as you find them.
LJ
Mystery, you have been writing about your adventures and misadventures reporting the facts to us, which is helpful. The only solution for you if you've developed a paranoia about something sinister at Rio, is for you to invest a small amount of time and go see for yourself, if you doubt the reports. You will find at Rio a fair number of very hot girls of the highest quality. Do not doubt this.
As to your veteran friends you mentioned, you have to keep in mind that the 3 hour minimum and $300 price tag is not necessarily desirable to those with less expensive tastes or budgets, or to those who have developed over time other cheaper options for girls that adequately satisfy their desires. I myself never went to Rio when the River Palace was open because I could get what I wanted at the River Palace for $200, or even less sometimes. But times have changed, the River Palace is not there now, and for me $200 for 2 hours at the River Palace, is the same hourly rate as $300 for 3 hours, and I know what to do with 3 hours with a hot girl. Others who prefer to get their business done in a shorter time frame may not prefer Rio. On mamba and top-modals you can get girls for the same $100 per hour rate, but in 1 hour increments. But for that $100 for 1 hour option on mamba or top-modals you must go thru a lot of time wasting bullshit and then be very lucky to get a hottie. It's all up to individual choice as to how to go. For myself, I chose to forgo the bullshit and focus more on quality experiences. I made peace with the 3 hour minimum at Rio and had a ball. I'm surte I spent a lot more than some veteran mongers who are able to call on girls they knoew from past trips and spend less.
Best to stick to reporting facts as you find them.
LJPretty much the same as what I said =)
& practical common sense.
Apart from the question regarding Rio. You've just emulated in form my words.
AColonizer
05-02-11, 22:37
It is not clear what people are writing here. In my experience. 300$ for a whole night with hardcore services is a honest price. More than 350$ is just a scam. And for which services? Double penetrations? Drink-pissing? Multiple fistings? I am sure there are still a lot of men who believe girls don't make anal sex.
Pretty much the same as what I said =)
& practical common sense.
Apart from the question regarding Rio. You've just emulated in form my words. True, because the point I was addressing was the misinformation in your post about Rio, where you were assuming and surmising, instead of investigating. Other than your comments about Rio, I am in agreement with your assessments of the other options.
Trust me, my friend. Go to Rio once. You won't regret it. Even if you ultimately decide you don't want to pay $300 for 3 hours, you will leave there not doubting the reports about the quality of the girls available there.
LJ
TheyStoleMyName
05-02-11, 23:48
True, because the point I was addressing was the misinformation in your post about Rio, where you were assuming and surmising, instead of investigating. Other than your comments about Rio, I am in agreement with your assessments of the other options.
Trust me, my friend. Go to Rio once. You won't regret it. Even if you ultimately decide you don't want to pay $300 for 3 hours, you will leave there not doubting the reports about the quality of the girls available there.
LJCan anyone post some pics of these goddesses? Are Rio girls really strict about not letting people take their photo? I'd love to see some.
True, because the point I was addressing was the misinformation in your post about Rio, where you were assuming and surmising, instead of investigating. Other than your comments about Rio, I am in agreement with your assessments of the other options.
Trust me, my friend. Go to Rio once. You won't regret it. Even if you ultimately decide you don't want to pay $300 for 3 hours, you will leave there not doubting the reports about the quality of the girls available there.
LJI have been there once for about an hour / half. I just had a few drinks a dance, some talking. You are right most the girls are very pretty to slutty sexy. I will go again definitely. I was merely curious on why some fellas did not want to join in the entertainment. I'm sure we answered that question with what we both said.
What I did learn though $300. 3 hours I knew. & so $400 the evening? You see now that interests me for all the extra hours. Sinful desires.
can anyone post some pics of these goddesses? are rio girls really strict about not letting people take their photo? i'd love to see some.i had a camera on me when i was in rio. the security found it on checks.
they did not confirep001e, or hold until after the show. they let me in with the camera.
however i did agree not to take photos.
as it generally is not a good idea, & it can lead to being escorted out.
i had a camera in italy. drunk as shit after a cousin of mine took me on this club, bar, disco, striptease, adventure. i took some photos in the striptease. however it's not worth the future hassle. my cousin was not to impressed either. i don't see the big deal ultimately however its one of those things for that environment.
generally best to respect the codes of conduct.
an exgirlfriend of mine was a stripper in the dam. amsterdam. cameras were a big no-no in selina's striptease back then.
even in phuket thailand yes as i remember rock hard a-go-go is not camera friendly at all! though i do have a few pic's with a friend in the establishment & also a dancer. though security is not always present so you can get away with mis-directed photos. like photo-ing your friend & capturing the background. though this would not be allowed here i feel, or italy, or ams.
I have been there once for about an hour / half. I just had a few drinks a dance, some talking. You are right most the girls are very pretty to slutty sexy. I will go again definitely. I was merely curious on why some fellas did not want to join in the entertainment. I'm sure we answered that question with what we both said.
What I did learn though $300. 3 hours I knew. & so $400 the evening? You see now that interests me for all the extra hours. Sinful desires. Okay, so we discussed prices & beauty. Though as "Acolonizer" mentioned. Whats involved. Generally will they do anything you want if you take them out? Or have you ever been in the situation say you wanted anal at some point. Though an extra cost was asked for? I understand different people are comfortable with different things. However I've never actually had anal sex (I'm a newbie I know) & this would be an interest with a stripper now. As generally they are more well groomed than regular girls (& better at seduction fellas so watch out in relationships).
I have been there once for about an hour / half. I just had a few drinks a dance, some talking. You are right most the girls are very pretty to slutty sexy. I will go again definitely. I was merely curious on why some fellas did not want to join in the entertainment. I'm sure we answered that question with what we both said.
What I did learn though $300. 3 hours I knew. & so $400 the evening? You see now that interests me for all the extra hours. Sinful desires. Good for you. Now you have another place to find model type 10's if and when you want them, although at a price. I agree with you about the value that seems to be inherent in an all night date for $400. You are no doubt thinking of all the positions you can do, and the multiple times you can bang the girl in a whole night, as well as possibly doing some clubbing with a stunner on your arm etc.
However, I must make you aware of a caveat that might put a damper on all those exploits. You must realize that these girls are working all night, night after night, and then after a little sleep, many are attending university during the day. They tend to be exhausted. Given the chance to sleep, they will absolutely take it, and you might wind up with the girl giving you sex once and then she will want to fall into a deep sleep and sleep the night away. You will lie there next to her with all your dreams about what your restless member is going to do to her in the morning, only to find that she gets up early and says she must dash off to some university class or other appointment she neglected to mention until just then. To avoid this kind of a wasted night where you paid to have a girl sleep, you must get some clarity beforehand of exactly until what time she can stay with you in the morning, will she be awake with you at least for enough hours to make a real party with her, and if there will be sex in the morning before she leaves, etc. Obviously, don't ruin a good vibe with her by being very pushy about these matters, but just gently try to get an understanding beforehand. If I don't have stuff in my apartment for them to eat, I always offer to take her to a supermarket to buy for her what she likes to drink and eat, when the girl is an all-nighter. But yes, an all night date properly conducted is a great deal and can make a very nice friendship with a beautiful girl who you will want to see again.
LJ
Okay, so we discussed prices & beauty. Though as "Acolonizer" mentioned. Whats involved. Generally will they do anything you want if you take them out? Or have you ever been in the situation say you wanted anal at some point. Though an extra cost was asked for? I understand different people are comfortable with different things. However I've never actually had anal sex (I'm a newbie I know) & this would be an interest with a stripper now. As generally they are more well groomed than regular girls (& better at seduction fellas so watch out in relationships).Dear Mystery, If you have found your new sex monger guru, and you now want to use Acolonizer's standard interview for the girls he wants to date, please don't forget to ask the girl if she will like to drink your [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and enjoys Multiple Fistings as forcefully as you can. If she doesn't run away from you screaming about how revolting you are, you may just have found your life-mate. LOL.
But seriously, do I need to tell you that displaying a severe case of mysogynism, will not win you friends or dates from any girls who are normal and nice. Therefore, only pursue such an interview about the more advanced perversions on his list if you are prepared for multiple rejections, and only because such activities are what you actually need in order to get off, and so you absolutely must find the princess who will provide these gratifications. Of course, if you can find a way to discuss such things in the abstract and get a sense of whether the girl is kinky herself and likes such sexual activities, maybe you can find out about it without getting yourself labelled as such.
Use your head, and talk to the girls as a gentleman would. It will surely get you farther, IMHO.
LJ
dear mystery, if you have found your new sex monger guru, and you now want to use acolonizer's standard interview for the girls he wants to date, please don't forget to ask the girl if she will like to drink your [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and enjoys multiple fistings as forcefully as you can. if she doesn't run away from you screaming about how revolting you are, you may just have found your life-mate. lol.
but seriously, do i need to tell you that displaying a severe case of mysogynism, will not win you friends or dates from any girls who are normal and nice. therefore, only pursue such an interview about the more advanced perversions on his list if you are prepared for multiple rejections, and only because such activities are what you actually need in order to get off, and so you absolutely must find the princess who will provide these gratifications. of course, if you can find a way to discuss such things in the abstract and get a sense of whether the girl is kinky herself and likes such sexual activities, maybe you can find out about it without getting yourself labelled as such.
use your head, and talk to the girls as a gentleman would. it will surely get you farther, imho.
lji don't know about all that stuff =) but i was thinking anal lol.
chick [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)'s on me & she's out! & i'm taking my money back.
I am getting really curious to see how the girls there look like, I won't bring camera to Rio, but I will surely take pics of the girl that eventually I will take home, even without show her face, cause even to see her body can speak more than words to our friends here and I see no reasons why she should not agree.
I agree also that better 400usd and all night instead of 300usd 3 hours, probably can be a wise idea to go there to have privat dance and interview many girls, to find 2-3 very good ones and the second day go there very early and pick up one till morning.
About the service of Rio girls, at such price I expect to have passionate DFK, BBBJ and Anal, am I worng?
Despite the pice of the girl, how much is entrance, drinks and private dance?
3-400 USD is really a lot, but for a monger in Kiev for a week who wants to have a real top notch quality girl can be done couple of times. I am really very very curios to see the quality there and also, speaking decent Russian, to try some taxi driver willing to show me private apartments where not only the price can be very low but also the quality can be very high as I saw in the far-east russia.
here's a recap of my 4 days in kiev in mid-april, along with some personal thoughts / impressions at the end.
arrived late friday and after settling down in my apartment downtown, i spent the next 2-3 hours walking in kreshatik, trying to get accustomed to the environment and get a general feel for the place. virtually noone speaks english and simple things like shopping or asking for directions is frustrating. bought a ukranian sim card which took be more than 20 minutes to activate, since the instructions were all in russian. luckily i had wifi in my apartment and there was a page in english in kyivstar's website, otherwise i would still be trying. it was around 10pm when i called a number i had got the previous day from mamba, from a girl whose profile photos were those of inna from vodka escort that lj mentioned before. apart from the photos appearing in inna's profile in vodka, she had many more casual and not professionally shot photos of herself in her mamba profile, so i presumed that she could really be the same girl. the price she quoted was $80 / hour, so i ask her to come.
some 30 mins later, my doorbell rings and to my surprise there are 2 girls instead of 1, but none of them was inna. not ugly, but not what i was looking for either so i sent them away with 20 grivnas. it was getting late, so i decided it would be better not to waste more time on escorts and go somewhere where i could see the girls beforehand.
i take a taxi to rio, which was less than 10 minutes ride from my place, taxi driver asked for 50 grivnas. i knew that taxi drivers try to charge more foreigners, but 50 grivnas seemed pretty low to me so i din't bother to argue or negotiate. still i don't know if 50 grivnas is the normal price for a 10 min ride. as i was told when entering, there are 4 separate "auditoriums" in rio, and they seat you in the less busy at the time of your arrival. no matter where you seat however, you will see the same girls as they rotate between each auditorium. the service is very professional, waitresses dressed in sexy skirts, very polite and efficient. in each auditorium 1-2 guys dressed in suits arrange things like private dances, bringing girls to the tables, etc. apart from drinks you can also order sushi from a separate menu, which i tried and it was very good, costing something like 58 grivnas. for less than 5 euros you could have a really nice dinner while naked hot girls were dancing next to you. my kind of place! in each auditorium there are 3 girls dancing at any given time, rotating quickly every 2 songs, so a total of 12 dancing girls at any moment in all auditoriums. however there are much more girls working, as still after 2 hours in the club i kept seeing new girls. many good looking girls, some 8s and 9s but also many 6s and 7s. the fact that all the girls wear sexy dresses, very high heels and they all know how to move and dance might lead someone to think that they are prettier or more model-like than they really are. one girl told me that 80 girls are working every day at rio, i would think that 30-50 is a more realistic estimate. friday was a busy night, and it proved difficult to get the girl that you liked in your table. i had a private dance for 200 grivnas in a small prive area with a slim tall brunette whose name i forgot but she told me that she is only dancing so no take out option. private dances are a good way to assess closely the assets of a girl that you would possibly like to take out, however don't expekt anything more than what the name implies, that is a girl is dancing naked for you but you are not really allowed to do anything else than touch her tits and ass. i had to wait another 40-45 minutes for 2 more girls that i invited and when they did not show up after all this i decided to leave and go to a club. my total bill at rio was something like 600-700 grivnas (can't recall exact figures) including at least 5 drinks for me, but possibly more. 2 drinks that i bought for girls, and the sushi. the cost for the private dance is not included in the bill, this you have to pay to the girl right after the dance.
i take a taxi and i head to d'lux where upon arrival i am told that it is ladies night. i pay the entrance fee (can't remember if it was 100 or 200 grivnas) and a few seconds later i think that i am in heaven on earth. imagine a big club decorated by western standards, full of women (ratio women / men 2:1, maybe even more) , where you have trouble finding a girl that you don't like (and i can assure you that i have very high standards). most of the girls are in company though, but still many alone or with other girls. the club is built in 3 levels, the ground level is the lounge which was the less busy at that time, in the first level there was a band playing live music and it was absolutely packed and in the 3rd level there was dj music with lots of people also. i take a seat in a 3rd level bar and seconds later 1 girl is asking for a cigarette. she is ok, maybe a 7, but her friend sitting right next to her is definetely a 9. i buy them drinks and to my surprise the beautiful girl speaks english. we have a chat about kiev, nightlife, favorite places, but some 30-40 minutes and a few drinks later i feel so exhausted that any other options besides sleeping seems impossible. i haven't really slept for more than 30 hours, i had a tiring trip with delays, not to mention at least 7 drinks. it's around 4 in the morning, i ask for her number she tells me that her phone broke and asks for mine, we arrange to meet the next day and i leave.
i wake up fresh at around 12 on saturday and decide to walk around the city and do some shopping. i found a supermarket at the bottom level of the mall at arena and bought all the necessary stuff to stock up my fridge. a nice girl is smiling at me and offers to help when i try to locate my favorite brand of whisky in the booze isle, unfortunately no english at all.
back at my apartment, i decide to sleep a few more hours so that i can be as fresh as possible for the night. i woke up around 6, and started calling numbers from mamba and the various escort sites that have been discussed here. all the girls that showed up were not the girls in the photo and the whole thing started to get really frustrating. the girls are not ugly, but still not worth the asking price of around 1000 grivnas/$100 per hour in my opinion. some times 2 girls instead of show up, probaly they think that the chances to reject a girl are lower if you have more choices. eventually i call again one of the previous numbers, telling them that i know that the photos are fake and asking them to just send a really beautiful girl. the response was that there is a very beautiful girl but she doesn't have photos. i tell them to send her over. 20 minutes later the girl is in my doorstep and she is a 7+. it's already late, i am frustrated so i decide to keep her. turns out that it wasn't a bad decision. despite that she doesn't know a word of english, she is very sweet, very willing and very passionate. i keep her for 2 hours, pay her 2000 grivnas and prepare to go out as it is already quite late. my plan was to visit a strip club and see if i would be more lucky today, and then a club, possible choices budha, dlux, aura, avalon, shooters, bingo.
having read about paradise strip club from lj which is affiliated with rio (same owner?) i decide to visit it.
turns out that paradise is not downtown, not even close. i am on a lucky streak so it happens that the taxi driving me there is with no doubt the worst taxi that i have seen in my life. an at least 50-year old car with broken lights, engine noise so loud to bring you a strong headache, no cabin lights and no suspension. every little bump was a serious challenge to both car and me. all this with a maximum speed of 30km / hour. on top of it, the driver was clueless about the place and the address, he had to stop at least 3 times to ask for directions. paradise is about 30 minutes from the center with a real car, so it took us a little more than an hour. by some miracle the car was still holding up when he dropped me off in front of paradise.
paradise looks a lot like rio but much smaller. apart from that everything else seems to work like in rio. good looking girls rotating in pole dances, prive areas, good service. not too many people as in rio, so i sit in the table closest to the stage. i invite some girls to my table for talking and this time there is no delay. you just let the manager know which girl you like and in a few minutes she is with you. some girls speak basic english, but most none at all. meanwhile i am exchanging sms messages with lj who is also on his way there, but haven't met in person yet. i forgot most of the names of the girls that i met, but i felt that the average level of beauty was a touch lower than in rio. 2-3 hours and several drinks later i am sitting with a girl called yanna. i don't know if i spell it correclty but it sounds like that. she is blonde, medium built, tight body and a very sexy face. by my standards she is an 8+, maybe a 9. she speaks very little english but her friend veronica speaks english much better. veronica is not so beautiful, still cute though, i would say a 6 in my 1-10 scale. i have almost made up my mind to invite them both to my apartment, so i am trying to negotiate a price. they ask for 300$ each for 3 hours, or 250eur. i offer 400 eur for both, but they decline. for the next half hour or so i pretend that i am not interested to pay 500 eur for both of them, as i wanted to see their reactions and if they would finally agree to my offer. all this time they were sitting in my table, we were chatting and they were not asking for any drinks. it was getting close to 4am, i was looking at my watch and pretended that i was about to leave. still no reaction like they didn't want the 400 eur! and it was not like they had other options, the place was almost empty by that time. eventuyally i had to agree for the 250 eur each, so we started preparing to leave. as i stood up however, i noticed another blonde with a blue dress dancing that i had noticed when i walked in but didn't have the chance to meet. instictively i asked veronica to ask her if she would be interested to join us. a few minutes later i was on my way home with 3 girls from paradise. we arrived home at around 5am and for the first hour we were speaking, listening to music from youtube, drinking and dancing. yanna and veronika seemed to have a good time, but the 3rd girl didn't speak a word with them or with me. the next hours we were in bed trying every position that i could
think of, girls moaning loudly. too bad i was tired and almost drunk, i remember though that despite efforts from the girls i managed to finish only twice. all in all, a nice experience, but not value for money, with hindsight i would not repeat unless all of the conditions below are true:
- all the girls are equally beautiful.
- the girls all know each other and have a good chemistry between each other.
- i am sober.
i didn't regret it, but as i said it was a kind of an impulse decision. now that i think of it, i think that 3 hours with yanna alone would be a much better and wiser option for that night, if you take the money factor into consideration. ah well, we live only once.
sunday i slept until late, and i remember that it was kind of funny to see so many used condoms on the floor around the bed when i woke up at around 7pm. i decided to give escort sites a last chance and called some numbers from top-modals, but with same result. i had visited the vodkaescort site before i came to kiev and had really liked some girls from there but i assumed that this would be just another case of bait and switch and decided not to bother and waste more time. i definitely wanted to visit some clubs today but it was still early so i decided to head to rio first to see if i can find someone to my liking. i arrived at around 9pm and there were very few people but many girls as usual. a girl came to my table to introduce herself, i hadn't asked for her but she sat with me anyway. i offer her a drink and we speak for about 20-30 mins. she offers again without me asking to go somewhere else but she wants 400$ for all night. no other options. i decline and she leaves. i don't remember her name but she had a tall slim body and nice face, but i was sure that i was going to find something even better. what i like in rio is that the girls do not push you to buy them drinks, often the girls that i was inviting to my table they just sat there and were speaking to me without asking for a drink. always it was me who was offering to buy them a drink. after a while i noticed a very tall blonde wearing white boots with a very pretty face and equally nice body. her name was gloria and after a few minutes she is sitting at my table. i am quoted the usual price of 250eur for 3 hours and this time i don't even bother to negotiate as i don't want to lose time, as i also want to hit the clubs later. a few minutes later we are at my apartment. gloria is an absolute sweetheart. she speaks very limited english but still there is very good chemistry between us. sex is fantastic and she really seems to enjoy it. a multitude of positions, and successive sessions of sex and massage. i managed to finish 3 times, but i think that she finished even more. she was definitely the highlight of my trip!
at around 2am, i am preparing again to go out, the first place that i would like to visit is budha bar. unfortunately when i arrive it is closed and i notice a sign in the entrance that sundays they close as 2am. i decide to go to shooters. when i arrive there is lot of people leaving, but when i try to enter the doorman points to a sign in english saying something along the lines of "management reserves the right to deny entrance without explanation" wtf? has anybody had a similar experience at shooters? i was dressed smart casually but didn't expect something like this. is there a dress code there? am i missing something else? anyways, i take another taxi to dlux, only to find it closed also and decide to make a last attempt at avalon. avalon is a club with two separate areas: a lounge and a disco. the lounge seems pretty dead so i go to the disco. it's already after 3am and there are around 10-15 people there sitting in the tables and in the bar, only 2 girls alone but from a distance i cannot see much. a poor guy is dancing alone on the main stage in front of a mirror. having witnessed the atmosphere at dlux just 2 days ago, it was depressing. ordered a couple of drinks from the bored bartender and decided to leave. it seems that sunday is not a good day for clubbing in kiev, especially if it is late.
next day i have no time for girls, as i have some business issues that i need to take care of in kiev and my flight is late in the evening.
to put the above into perspective for anybody else, some details about me:
-i am into anal or any special fetish, so i haven't asked for any of this from any of the girls and i don't know if they offer it, or if they charge extra.
-i like tall slim super-model type of girls. very rarely i would rate a girl as a 10. there are some women that i would rate as a 10 but haven't met any in kiev.
-what matters most to me is to have sex with a very beautiful girl who also seems to enjoy it. hence my marks are more about participation and enjoyment rather than what a girl does or does not do.
some more thoughts / impressions:
- kiev is a poser city. if you want to meet and date local girls, you will soon find out that results will be analogous to the perceived coolness of your clothes, house, perfume, watch, etc. the better looking girls i saw in my trip were either in the company of well dressed men in upscale clubs like d'lux or driving around town in very expensive cars. i am not saying that simply being well dressed and looking young and wealthy will get you the same level of girls, especially if it is obvious that you are a foreigner, but it would definitely help with all the other girls who are still trying to get there.
- level of english in everyday life is 0. the only people that can communicate in english are the people who work in tourist places, like the airport, big hotels or clubs frequented by tourists. being able to speak and read russian is a huge plus. if a girl speaks english she probably will offer sex for money.
- for some reason the girls that i paid to have sex with.with one exception- they all seemed to really enjoy it. i mean real, unpretentious enjoyment and participation. i have had similar experiences before, but in kiev it seemed to be the rule, not the exception. in almost all cases sex was really passionate, the girls didn't use lubricant of any kind and they were all very wet. there were moments, especially when i was exhausted and they simply kept on going, that i felt like i was the one who should be getting paid.
have fun and enjoy life!
I wish every regular member with only 5 reports could write such a detailed report as you did, thank you very much for sharing your experience!
Bought a ukranian sim card which took be more than 20 minutes to activate, since the instructions were all in Russian. Luckily I had wifi in my apartment and there was a page in english in Kyivstar's website, otherwise I would still be trying.
After a while I noticed a very tall blonde wearing white boots with a very pretty face and equally nice body. Her name was Gloria and after a few minutes she is sitting at my table. I am quoted the usual price of 250eur for 3 hours and this time I don't even bother to negotiate as I don't want to lose time, as I also want to hit the clubs later. A few minutes later we are at my apartment. Gloria is an absolute sweetheart. She speaks very limited english but still there is very good chemistry between us. Sex is fantastic and she really seems to enjoy it. A multitude of positions, and successive sessions of sex and massage. I managed to finish 3 times, but I think that she finished even more. She was definitely the highlight of my trip! Hi Tango, it was nice to meet up with you at Paradise. I'm still in awe of the sex logistics you described to me of how to give sex to 3 girls at the same time, and to keep it up for a respectable period. You're my hero.
I saw and spent time with Yanna at Rio club a few times after your evening with her and she is definitely on my "to do" list also, but I was preoccupied with my duo girls. Yanna has a very pretty face and sizzling body, although she is not as tall and svelte as some of the other hotties there.
A case in point would be Gloria whose looks I also loved. Gloria is a really hot blond with awesome lines. Yanna's face is prettier, but Gloria's body is better, when one is judging between two awesome looking girls. I took Gloria for a private dance, she let me kiss her nipples and enjoyed it judging by the involuntary tremors in her body and the sounds she was making, but the romance fell apart for me when she said she doesn't enjoy receiving oral sex. What the fuck? What kind of female can't enjoy clitoral stimulation? In my mind what she was really saying is she doesn't let strangers get too familiar with her. It made me doubt she would kiss, give a good uncovered BJ, and in general not be generous in sex. I guess she likes getting banged though. Based on your description, she sounds like she's good in bed. How are her BJ skills, or did you plough right into her gorgeous pussy?
Regarding a SIM card, you could have avoided all that aggravation getting it activated by simply going into a Kievstar or MTC store and they would do it for you. For example, there is a Kievstar store just off Kreshatik on Bogdan Khemielnitskaga street (the street Rio is on) and the staff there helped get me up and running with no problems.
Lukasek, if you know Russian you will be very happy to know that a lot of the prettiest girls at Rio don't speak English, so I had to miss out on them, but you will be able to enjoy any girl there!
Also, you should understand that the type of services one can receive from the girls at Rio are not fixed and on some sort of standardized menu for fixed a la carte prices. It is totally up to each girl what she does, or whether she will even agree to go out with you. That is why the chemistry you build with her during conversation and private dances is so important. If she agrees to go with you to your apartment, you will have sex with her, which will include a BJ and classic sex and different positions. However, the BJ may be covered, or it may be uncovered. She may allow you to eat her out, or not. She may be into anal, or maybe not. She is not required to do or give anything. It is not like in FKK land where certain aspects of service are standard and guaranteed by the club. So this is why speaking with the girl a little while you are in the club, and in the private dance, is so important. Of course, she has a big economic incentive to go with you and to act toward you in a pleasing way so that you will want her. But if you want an uncovered BJ, then it is probably important that you come off as a clean, well groomed man, who a girl might want to go down on.
For me, the uncovered versus covered BJ is not a deal breaker to be with a girl who is as hot as the girls we're talking about. But I certainly prefer it uncovered, especially after I have had a lot of sex previously, and really feel I'm not getting enough stimulation through a condom. So I try to get a sense of what the chemistry between us will be. This is also the reason that I want to know if she will let me go down on her. The strategy is based on the assumption that it is rare that a girl doesn't reciprocate with a good uncovered BJ after she receives some very good oral. Also it definitely breaks the ice between two strangers, in a far more powerful way than if she just starts with a BJ on me, which I have found can be delivered by many girls with an impersonal and clinical attitude, since they give so many. So I haven't ever directly asked a girl at Rio if she will do an uncovered BJ to date. I simply suffice with asking her if she enjoys receiving oral sex. Most normal girls smile as they imagine it, and say yes, of course. Those that don't say yes, make me wary.
(Note: I guess someone else will have to figure out a way to delicately find out if anal is on the menu, because I'm not into that, so I never tried to find out.)
I don't know what the reaction by these girls might be to simple direct questions, so I didn't take a chance to ruin the vibe, since it's not a given they will even go home with you. I'm certain if a guy acts and speaks like a pushy jerk, he will not get very far with these girls.
There's another important consideration that I should mention for those guys considering action with more than one girl simultaneously. And that is that each girl will be inhibited by the presence of the other girl. For example, I have had awesome uncovered BJ's from two different girls, but then when I took the same two girls together as a duo, all of a sudden, each girl did not want the other one to know she blew me without a condom, so each of them insisted on using a condom for the blow job too. So in a duo you can end up getting less services than you might get with each girl individually when they might bend the rules because there is good chemistry between you and her. Fortunately for me, the duo girls were so hot, and I was so turned on to them, that the lack of an uncovered BJ didn't slow me down at all.
I'm back home now missing all the fun, wishing I could get back to Kiev soon, but it will probably only after the summer when the airfare prices come back down.
LJ
TheyStoleMyName
05-03-11, 21:28
Dear Mystery, If you have found your new sex monger guru, and you now want to use Acolonizer's standard interview for the girls he wants to date, please don't forget to ask the girl if she will like to drink your [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and enjoys Multiple Fistings as forcefully as you can. If she doesn't run away from you screaming about how revolting you are, you may just have found your life-mate. LOL.I'm into BBFS and filming. Which is more likely to send them running off screaming?
I'm into BBFS and filming. Which is more likely to send them running off screaming?Filming isn't that bad. I made a little drunken movie & taken pictures for fun. & sent them to my mother & cousin actually. Whoops! Russian whiskey got the better of me that night.
Seriously just ask, if they say no its no. If yes fine, its nothing to me really. Just interesting to watch.
Its funny when they say no pictures, while they are "real" & posted all over the internet face included. I ask is their a difference?
I was having a lot of fun taking pictures of a gal, & she was very interested in seeing her figure in different positions.
Bareback. Well std's possible, other worse possibilities. However you can have a more enjoyable encounter.
When I was in Zurich a crack wh*re approached me. Long story short she offered me drugs, & a fuck. I politely refused. If you clean & lady is clean then its all good. She takes the pill whatever to stop the seed from flowering.
I hear working girls here have methods of getting rid of pregnancies if they occur.
Though you pick to screw a junky maybe you you screw yourself. You make love to another sort of woman clean student 22 years old example looking for a little money the odds against issues are lower.
. Lukasek, if you know Russian you will be very happy to know that a lot of the prettiest girls at Rio don't speak English, so I had to miss out on them, but you will be able to enjoy any girl there!
LJYes I do. 2 months in Russia helped me a lot to improve my Russian and even in mamba if a girl does not speak english I try to chit chat with her in Russian. If you will go back to Kiev after summer maybe you can invest some time using rosetta stone or pimsleur english-Russian course, even with couple of hours per week you can get a basic knowledge of Russian in less than half year and speaking Russian do wonders to build a chemistry with a girl: I saw it very well when at GT in Wien in February I approached a very cute girl that looked selfish and cold but after she told me, she is from Omsk and she listen my Russian, she asked me why we have to keep on speaking in english LOL. No need to say it was un-believable session of pure GFE.
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For me, the uncovered versus covered BJ is not a deal breaker to be with a girl who is as hot as the girls we're talking about.
LJCovered BJ slow me down a LOT!
I do not see much sense to pay with money a girl and get a BJ when with a bit of lucky and effort you can date a normal girl and have with her obviously uncovered BJ.
Honestly a girl that answers me that loves cunninlinguus is not enough to make me believe she will give me BBBJ.
I try to invest enough time to interview very well every girl before to decide to take her, ok I do in funny way but if she is not willing to speak about her services, if she sees it as waste of time, probably she hardly can give GFE.
In other words, I try to let her convince me why I have to take her instead of the girl close to her, cause probably she needs more my money than me her pussy, mainly in FSU considering how many girls are available.
As said before, with your good written reports you are make me very curious to see Kiev, where I never been before and even more the Rio girls that I am pretty sure they are top notch quality, not sure how friendly and GFE they are, but time to test it asap LOL.
I am curious, very curious, to test two things that were almost never described here in Kiev and that I tried both very successfull in Russia, the taxi drivers and sauna.
With taxi drivers I mean to find a good taxi driver, trustable enough for what can be trustable a taxi driver in Kiev, and to ask them to bring girls to my apartment, usually, at least in Russia, they have numbers of pimp that then he bring girls to your place. Every time I did, I got good ratio quality-price.
With sauna I mean to go to sauna, the one you pay a little more and you get all the sauna reserved for you and not only sauna, but pool, usually a room with a table and at least another room with a bed and to order to owner of sauna girls. The first time I did this special sauna was 2004 in Piter, it was funny cause in my basic Russian I was shy to ask girls to the owner, a woman 50yo, but she immediately smiled and start to do some calls and in less than half hours I had in front of me 4 girls to choose, they were girls next door, speaking only Russian but totally friendly and very cheap. I remember we went to sauna for 5 minutes, then to pool and to bedroom. The kind of sauna you can get only in Russia. But probably in Kiev too :D
TheyStoleMyName
05-04-11, 05:08
Though you pick to screw a junky maybe you you screw yourself. You make love to another sort of woman clean student 22 years old example looking for a little money the odds against issues are lower.I just looked it up and was surprised to find out that Ukraine has the highest incidence of HIV infection among adults (1. 6%) out of all European countries. It still doesn't touch the worst African countries like Swaziland (26. 1%). But it's far worse than some like Niger (0. 8%) , and worse than Thailand (1. 4%) , Russia (1. 1%) , The USA (0. 6%) , Brazil (0. 4%) , or the Philippines (0. 1%) by comfortable margins.
When did that happen? I'm going to have to look up history of AIDS in Ukraine and do some reading.
i just looked it up and was surprised to find out that ukraine has the highest incidence of hiv infection among adults (1. 6%) out of all european countries. it still doesn't touch the worst african countries like swaziland (26. 1%). but it's far worse than some like niger (0. 8%) , and worse than thailand (1. 4%) , russia (1. 1%) , the usa (0. 6%) , brazil (0. 4%) , or the philippines (0. 1%) by comfortable margins.
when did that happen? i'm going to have to look up history of aids in ukraine and do some reading. to be honest as was mentioned to me by a fellow isg member i met up with a few weeks back."women are slightly naive here." i agree. some are predators as is the world though as far as i'm concerned overall slightly naive. still the best women or culture race i've come across through my worldly travels.
i was partying one of my first nights here in the club patipa with a fellow isg lad (not sure on the spelling. not that i ever double checked my messages for errors) he left about an hour or two before i did.
i pulled or picked up a freebie, you know the drill. drink, taxi, my place, talk, drink, bedroom.
next day i was asking her does she take the pill? (no points for guessing why)"whats the pill was her answer."
i explained to her. she did not know what the fuck i was on about. the fucking pill hello!
what woman doesn't know about the pill. go speak to the pharmacist or doctor i tell her.
22 years old psychology / sociology / wannabe teacher student.
also helps setting up turks with ukrainian girls i come later to find with me investigative skills. not an amateur overall.
has self confessed many boyfriends. & i could go on about this lady more but it is deviating.
though i don't believe it's just naive. whos bringing this infection into ukraine? not really from western europe or america. i'm speculating.
in netherlands i know a strategy some morrocans use on the dutch women (or dutch passport resident) , make her fall in love. have a baby, she gets money from the welfare system. she has another baby gets more money, a 3rd. 4th. the money which is nothing special in amsterdam say gets western union transfered or whatever back to morrocco for the family which translates to a fortune!
i like the ukrainian people, especially the women & not just for their looks. i was in college a little while back don't ask me why in the uk. this little fat fuck ***** with her big mouth. i thought to myself after some months, this women is as ugly on inside as she is on the outside.
over here in a lot of cases i feel she is as beautiful on the inside as she is on the outside.
i met a isg lad on here for like 10 minutes in arena, he invited his friends as well. anyway this one chick what a pain in the ass! our plan was to meet have a beer. the fella left soon enough, i'm hanging with these people & an america who was cool enough. though anyways, mila o my god every 5 minutes she'd shoot some bullshit out you a show off, you not dressed good enough, quickly shoot a comment to the left then face me & say something insulting or testing, so after about half an hour of this little pussy. who is a lawyer if i remember correctly.
i remember saying to her if you were a man or if you had balls i'd put your head into the table.
what! what are you going to do? you got nothing on me. what you going to do? talk, thats all you can do.
so talk. everything from that point i shut her down. every test, every game, anything she tried i closed the fucker down. don't get me wrong i don't hold no grudge to this chick. though at the time she was way way out of line.
so anyway i closed that fucker down. she shoot a few word to the american regarding me, i'm looking right at her, i'm right opposite her you know. i tell her you got something to say you say it to my face.
mila goes if i have anything to say i will say it to your face.
i been watching you, i know your games you a fucking ametuer, all your years in law study working, mis-directing people, leading, you got nothing on me.
shoot sly words out to the left, then holds the "honest" high ground when confronted.
this was going on for 1 hour. 1 hour plus.
are you fucking with me because you like me? i would never sleep with you she says.
in all this world you can fucking wish! to meet someone like me. to have my loyalty.
what have you got? who are you? where are you going? if i want i can have 10. 15 women
like you. this table is probably as high as it gets for you in this life. make friends with
people with a little money so you can have a free lunch.
if there was security working i'm sure one of us would of been asked to leave. probably me =)
i'm a guy so women are all so innocent.
i know what kind of man you are! you offer to buy him a crink but not me not us.
i listen to her say her speech for close to 2 minutes.
baby! you just ordered a fucking taxi with your friend, you are leaving now. what do you want another drink for!
i stopped the waiter, you want a drink you order a drink (tell what kind of girl she is for the night)
sauvignon blanc wine with ice, after 5 minutes of normal talk she's at it again!
she did not leave in the taxi her friend left solo.
now she's complaining about not offering the drink those minutes before.
i'm like who are you! i didn't come here to see you. i don't know you, i don't owe you.
you can buy your own drink now.
i apologised to the american because him & the lady he was with, was literally just watching us play lets say for about an hour plus apart from minuted here & their with normal talk.
in the end about 10 minutes before we all parted her friend comes & apologizes to me. this gal going out with the american. who is not on the forum.
so she takes my number & offers to set me up with a friend of hers.
next day the other girl at the table who left in the taxi early calls me up to apologise. how did she get my number.
the cheeky girl end of night stayed behind for a minute and invited me to bhudda bar.
the america & his girl went there they also invited me.
i was not just not impressed to continue the evening with mila. even though in the end she knew who was the man.
this chick here in my place is waking up i got to cut out of this forum.
Truman Venice
05-04-11, 23:33
Just a question about mamba. How possible to understand who is pro or normal girl in that site?
Some fake numbers for mamba site & top modal, maybe on other sites.
You may meet a nice one though in my experience slim.
Number associated with multi profiles some numbers linked to others sites.
Usually an agency or group. Few independant though fake.
So just keep an eye on the numbers they have come up regular on my networking style:
0994000820.
0673157752.
9069333636.
0970001120.
0987731450.
0678777271.
0964016103.
0987022993.
Of course I have had 1 or 2 ultimate fucks with some girls from numbers. Though disappointed never to see her again calling the same number.
In any case call & ask a few questions, talk, arrange, you know you going to meet a woman if you choose to follow the numbers.
So if I understand well it's better to have a 'studio' rather than an hotel room because not all hotels accept that you receive girls right?
Though I preffer to be comfy in a hotel with breakfast and cleaning maid.
So do you know some good hotels not expensive but 3 stars level and don't ask questions about who you receive each night?
I would travel next month so I will do reservation next week.
Hi guys,
I've been to Rio club a few times, but haven't totally figured out how it works yet, and may head back soon.
I've been to 3 of the different rooms (not counting the bar stools on the top floor) , but always have a hard time getting in the downstairs room because the tables are always booked, even though the people don't show up until 2am. Getting there early doesn't even seem to matter, although they say it does. How can I make a reservation for one of these tables? Is there a minimum tab I need to commit to? I have been able to insert myself at the bar sometimes with huge persistence, but then it's hard to talk to the girls.
From what I've seen there is a group of girls rotating through the top 2 rooms, and a separate group going through the bottom room. Is this correct? The problem is there are so many girls there, sometimes you lose one for 2 hours if you don't know her name, because they just disappear, and you don't know what the rotation is.
When girls leave with customers do they walk out the normal way, or is there some hidden exit from the bottom room? A few times I was interested in seeing a girl, but she was entertaining a guy at a table for a while. I expected him to take her, but then he just paid the bill and left. Is there a chance she met him via a back exit, or is she still in the bar waiting for her dance turn?
So I get that it's $300 for 3hrs or 400 for all night. Are the girls ever flexible on this price on the first time if you are a decent guy and have good chemistry, or is pointless to negotiate? Maybe the easiest would be 300, but ask for more than 3 hrs? On later dates are they flexible? Also, although they are quoting USD, I assume they take hryvnia at a normal exchange rate right?
Will be staying at Hotel Rus in Kiev end of May.
Can someone confirm this hotel as GF?
WG in the bars?
Thanks
Hi guys,
I've been to Rio club a few times, but haven't totally figured out how it works yet, and may head back soon.
I've been to 3 of the different rooms (not counting the bar stools on the top floor) , but always have a hard time getting in the downstairs room because the tables are always booked, even though the people don't show up until 2am. Getting there early doesn't even seem to matter, although they say it does. How can I make a reservation for one of these tables? Is there a minimum tab I need to commit to? I have been able to insert myself at the bar sometimes with huge persistence, but then it's hard to talk to the girls.
From what I've seen there is a group of girls rotating through the top 2 rooms, and a separate group going through the bottom room. Is this correct? The problem is there are so many girls there, sometimes you lose one for 2 hours if you don't know her name, because they just disappear, and you don't know what the rotation is.
When girls leave with customers do they walk out the normal way, or is there some hidden exit from the bottom room? A few times I was interested in seeing a girl, but she was entertaining a guy at a table for a while. I expected him to take her, but then he just paid the bill and left. Is there a chance she met him via a back exit, or is she still in the bar waiting for her dance turn?
So I get that it's $300 for 3hrs or 400 for all night. Are the girls ever flexible on this price on the first time if you are a decent guy and have good chemistry, or is pointless to negotiate? Maybe the easiest would be 300, but ask for more than 3 hrs? On later dates are they flexible? Also, although they are quoting USD, I assume they take hryvnia at a normal exchange rate right? It is easier to get good service from the room managers, if they know that on any evening they assist you, there will be a tip of 100 UAH (about $12. 50 USD) that you will discretely press into their palm. It does also help to come earlier. If you develop a friendly relationship with the managers, and ask about getting a reservation, they might invite you to call and make one and give you their number. ALWAYS give the tip. In Ukraine everyone is looking for the handout, it is the way of life, and they will appreciate you.
There are three rooms upstairs, the two rooms you mention which have the same girls rotating on the two stages, and there is also an inner sanctum VIP lounge with anther set of girls which seem to be a younger more petite crew.
I don't think you will get very far negotiating what appears to be a fixed rate, and which, of course you can also pay in equivalent amount of Ukrainian Grivna ($100 USD = 800 UAH) , but you might have success in negotiating the amount of hours for an all night $400 session. Usually the girls will want to return to the club by 5am closing time, but sometimes you can get them to agree to stay longer into the morning. (I suspect they get their money when they return to club. Although officially the money all goes to the girl, it is possible it may be held at the club).
And yes, after receiving the fee, the girls go to get dressed. A manager will come tell you when she is ready and waiting for you outside in front of the club. Usually I see them walking from around. The nearby corner, so there must be another exit they use also.
I will give one last pointer. It is important to find out the names of the girls you saw dancing and liked so you can later ask there whereabouts and have them brought to your table. So either memorize or make a note of their names and if they speak English. Sometimes the managers are very busy or you might not want to keep calling them over to your table to ask about each new set of girls. I have found that self help works here, and if a manager is not around, I get up and approach the girl while she is dancing to ask her name and if she speaks English, in a friendly and respectful tone. If I've decided I really like her, I ask if I can put a tip in her string bikini or garter with a smile, or I ask if she will join me at my table after her dance rotation, all without bothering the manager.
LJ
Schluckerl
05-06-11, 08:52
Rus Hotel is GF. But you must pay for every girl which enter with you the hotel about 20 dollar for the security. Some girls in the bar (first floor) but ugly.
Insomniaque
05-06-11, 11:47
i agree it is not nice to get a different girl, especially if we lost some time to choose the one we really like, but i am sure almost nobody will send back a girl at same level of beauty.
most of us are in kiev for a short time and the first goal is to have hot girls, we have not enough time to send back girls until the one who shows up is the same of the pic, there is no fun at all to send back girls and wait, not to mention that with a bit of lucky the one who shows up can offer even a higher level of gfe than the one we choose. true. this is one of the reasons why i don't turn girls down, even though i don't like them at first sight. back in the rp era, i once got approached by a girl whom at first sight i really, really didn't like at all. i first denied the offer and did my best to find another partner for the night but there wasn't much choice and i eventually took her, out of despair, so to speak. and you guess how it turned out. she is still in my all-time top 3 gfe to date. conversely, i have already found myself bored to death with models whose face and body completely turned me on. so each time i am facing a bait and switch, i can't help wondering: "and if it was the shag of the century, actually?" plus i am always running out of time, and i find that getting a girl is fucking painful, so i take the chance.
this fantasy was implanted in my mind ever since the days long ago that i used to watch the situation comedy "three's company" on tv (don't know if this program ever made it outside the usa to european countries). it was about a guy living with two hot girls. in those days (the 70's?) he had to lie to the landlord of the building and claim to be gay in order to be permitted to live openly with the two pretty girls, and since he was really a girl-hound this made for some great comedy. then i grew up, married and divorced, and eventually became a monger, in the back of my mind looking for the opportunity for the perfect three-some. don't misunderstand, i have been with two girls before a number of times, but it had always been lacking in perfection, or worse. i came to the conclusion early on that for it to be really great the two girls also have to be into each other. not full lesbians, because then i don't have a chance, but bisexual and attracted to each other. my opportunity finally came last night with two girls from rio strip club.hats off, sir! i hope to walk in your footsteps anytime soon! had my first (real) threesome last year and, despite i got some nice bisexual action, it remained far from what i had in mind. and when i see what one can get from one rio girl, i can only figure what a great time you had. may i ask how much you paid? $300+$300, i suppose?
it is not clear what people are writing here. in my experience. 300$ for a whole night with hardcore services is a honest price. more than 350$ is just a scam. and for which services? double penetrations? drink-pissing? multiple fistings? i am sure there are still a lot of men who believe girls don't make anal sex.so you get anal each time? wow. the force is strong with you.
but for all those of us who are not jude law or george clooney, or whose speechcraft is not such that they can talk lead into gold or bend the spacetime continuum, i am afraid things are slightly different. ukrainian gals are not into anal. you have to be persuasive. or the girl must really like you. and if you eventually come across a girl who'll do it (extra charge, most of the time) , such girls are scarcely the ones that deliver the best service.
personally i have never come across a wg that truly enjoyed anal sex. this is so sad. anyone who has ever experienced a real anal orgasm knows that it is beyond everything else. if only those girls knew.
i am not sure of what a honest price would be but in any case, rio rates remain a very good deal compared with standard wg whose rates are, let's make it clear, fucking ridiculous. if you are a westerner, you may be happy to pay $200 / hour as this price is, out of context, cost-effective. but if you take the rates charged, for instance, in france and ukraine respectively, and compare those rates to the respective costs of living and average salaries in those countries, it appears that ukrainian wg are about twice as expensive as their french counterparts. or maybe is it just that we are foreigners, hence fucked; i would be curious to know what the locals pay.
(note: i guess someone else will have to figure out a way to delicately find out if anal is on the menu, because i'm not into that, so i never tried to find out.)"do you take it up the gary." always works fine.
it is easier to get good service from the room managers, if they know that on any evening they assist you, there will be a tip of 100 uah (about $12. 50 usd) that you will discretely press into their palm. it does also help to come earlier. if you develop a friendly relationship with the managers, and ask about getting a reservation, they might invite you to call and make one and give you their number. always give the tip. in ukraine everyone is looking for the handout, it is the way of life, and they will appreciate you.
there are three rooms upstairs, the two rooms you mention which have the same girls rotating on the two stages, and there is also an inner sanctum vip lounge with anther set of girls which seem to be a younger more petite crew.
i don't think you will get very far negotiating what appears to be a fixed rate, and which, of course you can also pay in equivalent amount of ukrainian grivna ($100 usd = 800 uah) , but you might have success in negotiating the amount of hours for an all night $400 session. usually the girls will want to return to the club by 5am closing time, but sometimes you can get them to agree to stay longer into the morning. (i suspect they get their money when they return to club. although officially the money all goes to the girl, it is possible it may be held at the club).
and yes, after receiving the fee, the girls go to get dressed. a manager will come tell you when she is ready and waiting for you outside in front of the club. usually i see them walking from around. the nearby corner, so there must be another exit they use also. i am pretty sure the whole reservation thing is crap. from my experience, it works that way:
1. whatever the time, managers will first tell you that all tables are reserved (while they are not)
2. they will keep you waiting (either in the small room, or at the bar)
3. after a while, you are likely to be told that, finally, a table has "miraculously" been freed for you.
4. if you discretly hand uah100 to a manager, it is likely to spectacularly speed up the process.
5. the more often you come (and the more drinks you buy, etc.) , the higher the probability to get a table straight away.
6. if you are good at bargaining and are not afraid of arguments, you can also get a table without having to wait and / or bribe anyone. this is what my wingman did last time: he complained, claimed that he was a regular customer who deserved some more respect (which was a shameless lie, as he had come only once before) and the manager unwillingly gave us a table in the big room, warning us that we would have to leave upon arrival of the expected customers. and, guess what? we stayed for quite a long time and saw no "expected customers" coming.
i am writing this so that newcomers know the way it works and can decide how they want to play it. it does not call into question what you say, which i fully agree with. having a "friendly" relationship with a manager does help. it's just that there are other ways.
regarding the vip area, as far as i understand you will find the same girls as in the other rooms, but you will be able to see more of them at once (i don't remember how many). convenient if you want to review a lot of girls without spending too much time. as for how to get in there, officially it is for regular customers who have already spent a lot of cash in the club. yet again, if you argue you might be allowed entrance. which my wingman did (yes, he really has a nerve) the night after we had been there together. (it is he who told me what the vip area looked like, i have never been there myself.)
i don't think girls get their cash when they return. i didn't even know they were expected to return at all. i have already been asked by the girl herself if she could stay and sleep at my place, so i figured that was kind of normal.
by the way, does anybody know how the club pays itself? i mean, out of the $300, how much is for the girl, how much for the rio? i could not find out.
another thing i would like to know: why does it always take fucking ages for the girl to dress and get ready? not even a bribe seems to change that, so wtf?
Regarding the VIP area, as far as I understand you will find the same girls as in the other rooms, but you will be able to see more of them at once (I don't remember how many). Convenient if you want to review a lot of girls without spending too much time. As for how to get in there, officially it is for regular customers who have already spent a lot of cash in the club. Yet again, if you argue you might be allowed entrance. Which my wingman did (yes, he really has a nerve) the night after we had been there together. (It is he who told me what the VIP area looked like, I have never been there myself.)
I don't think girls get their cash when they return. I didn't even know they were expected to return at all. I have already been asked by the girl herself if she could stay and sleep at my place, so I figured that was kind of normal.
By the way, does anybody know how the club pays itself? I mean, out of the $300, how much is for the girl, how much for the Rio? I could not find out. Nope, it is a different bunch of girls that dance in the VIP room, than who dance the rotation on the two stages in the two other rooms upstairs. I have seen this, having sat on the same evening in one of the upstairs rooms for a good while and seen the whole rotation for the two upstairs rooms, and then gone to sit in the VIP room on the couch next to the box stage and watched the whole different rotation of girls working the VIP room.
At any given time there are four girls dancing in the VIP room. The VIP room at Rio has two dancing poles, each on a separate stage, and one small little box stage (where two dancers will dance simultaneously) that is positioned right in front of a big couch on the platform at the far end of the room (which is the VIP area of the VIP room and the best seat in the house, IMHO, because you are literally right next to the girls and can easily speak with each of them as they dance in front of you. The rotation goes as follows. First each dancer dances on one of the poles, then the two pole dancers switch poles, then the two of them come and dance in the small box stage.
The girls will never say anything about a split of the money between them and the club for obvious legal reasons, and therefore this topic will remain an unprovable supposition or assumption on the part of all outsiders. All Rio girls state categorically that all money for take out given to them is theirs to keep and none goes to the club. Obviously, there are legal reasons why none of this money can be paid to the club. Whereas a girl may do what she wishes, the club may have no involvement in the girls dealings with club customers insofar as it pertains to her meeting with customers outside the club if she chooses to. But it is possible that maybe "the girl's money" is held at the club until she returns. This was only a suggestion to explain why some girls are anxious to return to the club at 5am, I. E. Perhaps it is because they want to collect their money. I guess some other girls are at ease to collect it when they come in to work the next evening, or there may be circumstances where they can take their money at the beginning of the date and they don't have to return to collect it. It is not possible to know, because the girls are very tight-lipped about this. Or there may be an entirely different explanation for the desire for a 5am return on the part of some girls. Whatever the explanation, we hobbyists need to be made aware of this wrinkle so we may understand the need to ask about the return hour after an "all night" date for $400, so that we can negotiate what we want properly, with no surprises.
Insomniaque
05-06-11, 16:13
Nope, it is a different bunch of girls that dance in the VIP room, than who dance the rotation on the two stages in the two other rooms upstairs. I have seen this, having sat on the same evening in one of the upstairs rooms for a good while and seen the whole rotation for the two upstairs rooms, and then gone to sit in the VIP room on the couch next to the box stage and watched the whole different rotation of girls working the VIP room.
At any given time there are four girls dancing in the VIP room. The VIP room at Rio has two dancing poles, each on a separate stage, and one small little box stage (where two dancers will dance simultaneously) that is positioned right in front of a big couch on the platform at the far end of the room (which is the VIP area of the VIP room and the best seat in the house, IMHO, because you are literally right next to the girls and can easily speak with each of them as they dance in front of you. The rotation goes as follows. First each dancer dances on one of the poles, then the two pole dancers switch poles, then the two of them come and dance in the small box stage.
The girls will never say anything about a split of the money between them and the club for obvious legal reasons, and therefore this topic will remain an unprovable supposition or assumption on the part of all outsiders. All Rio girls state categorically that all money for take out given to them is theirs to keep and none goes to the club. Obviously, there are legal reasons why none of this money can be paid to the club. Whereas a girl may do what she wishes, the club may have no involvement in the girls dealings with club customers insofar as it pertains to her meeting with customers outside the club if she chooses to. But it is possible that maybe "the girl's money" is held at the club until she returns. This was only a suggestion to explain why some girls are anxious to return to the club at 5am, I. E. Perhaps it is because they want to collect their money. I guess some other girls are at ease to collect it when they come in to work the next evening, or there may be circumstances where they can take their money at the beginning of the date and they don't have to return to collect it. It is not possible to know, because the girls are very tight-lipped about this. Or there may be an entirely different explanation for the desire for a 5am return on the part of some girls. Whatever the explanation, we hobbyists need to be made aware of this wrinkle so we may understand the need to ask about the return hour after an "all night" date for $400, so that we can negotiate what we want properly, with no surprises. Ah, my mistake then, thanks for the clarification; possibly my fellow didn't really pay attention. And how did you manage to enter the VIP room? Is it because you are a regular (and generous) customer, do you confirm that version? Or did you simply slipped a bigger bribe?
Not ALL the girls will state that all the cash is theirs to keep: it is one of them who told me (rather unwillingly, I admit it) that the $300 were splitted. But she said no more, and I was not able to find out what the ratio was.
Ah, my mistake then, thanks for the clarification; possibly my fellow didn't really pay attention. And how did you manage to enter the VIP room? Is it because you are a regular (and generous) customer, do you confirm that version? Or did you simply slipped a bigger bribe?
Not ALL the girls will state that all the cash is theirs to keep: it is one of them who told me (rather unwillingly, I admit it) that the $300 were splitted. But she said no more, and I was not able to find out what the ratio was. Entering the VIP room is easier when they are less busy. I never tipped more than 100 UAH, BUT I never failed to give the tip to the one or two managers who assisted me on each night. I was consistent with this, so that they know it can be expected from me. The managers are friendly toward me at this point and I always feel they are trying their best for me. I sometimes wait also. I go with the flow. I try not to be a pain in the ass. I feel I get more with honey, than with vinegar. I don't consider being demanding and argumentative a fruitful method for a long term relationship. I want the club managers to be happy to see me. They can vouch for me with the girls too. It helps.
My friend, with LE's prying eyes everywhere, the remaining topics you refered to should not be discussed in open forum. I would not like to see this venue have difficulty. We have already lost the River Palace. So if discretion is needed by the venue, I see no reason not to comply. It is a topic better suited for PM's.
LJ
After spending good part of the week reading all of the posts, I wanted to personally thank everyone for posting their experiences and contributing to the common cause!
This site and this thread are invaluable.
I am going to be in Kiev at the end of the May.
I would like not to waste a lot of time on searching and prefer face to face first. I am very big on that initial spark that turns into inferno.
I was born in Ukraine, but grew up in US. I speak Russian fluently, so communication is not a concern.
I know several places have closed, moved or became dull.
Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Is River Palace still closed?
Please help me before reserving the wrong hotel or apartment!
I have read somewhere that some hotels will not only permit call girls to come to your room but they even have their own in the lobby and bar, do you know those hotels?
If these girls are not my taste can I ask from an hotel personnel to bring me one of my criteria? Like show him a photo or give him specific age group and body style?
If I understand well the advantages of hotel over apartment are the security (no mafia tricks) and of course little more service like breakfast, sex massage and even girls to choose. While the advantages of apartment are the slightly better price and full privacy (some hotels will be very picky on girls you bring)
I just need some hotels names or apartment if there are any with added value so I can reserve next week.
As for the taxis bringing girls to you, do you pay them everything once they bring you the girl or you pay a small part first and tell him he will get lot more once he brings a girl of your choice? And are they any special taxi agency with this specialty?
As the title says. I'm planning a trip to Phuket probably July month.
I know quite a few ladies would love to take the ride. For a ride =)
Anybody know ladies that may be interested in an exotic month date abroad? PM me info please.
I'm looking for someone around 20 to 24 years, little english at least, not an ugg! Only hotties.
If you know of such a girl she may be welcome to have a good time abroad with myself.
& if some of you fellas are in Phuket around July to Sept, give me a PM maybe I'll be around there all this time.
& we can take drink, take a show, trade information, make friendly.
so anyway i closed that fucker down. she shoot a few word to the american regarding me, i'm looking right at her, i'm right opposite her you know. i tell her you got something to say you say it to my face.
mila goes if i have anything to say i will say it to your face.
i been watching you, i know your games you a fucking ametuer, all your years in law study working, mis-directing people, leading, you got nothing on me.
shoot sly words out to the left, then holds the "honest" high ground when confronted.
this was going on for 1 hour. 1 hour plus.
are you fucking with me because you like me? i would never sleep with you she says.
in all this world you can fucking wish! to meet someone like me. to have my loyalty.
what have you got? who are you? where are you going? if i want i can have 10. 15 women
like you. this table is probably as high as it gets for you in this life. make friends with
people with a little money so you can have a free lunch.
if there was security working i'm sure one of us would of been asked to leave. probably me =)
i'm a guy so women are all so innocent.
i know what kind of man you are! you offer to buy him a crink but not me not us.
i listen to her say her speech for close to 2 minutes.
baby! you just ordered a fucking taxi with your friend, you are leaving now. what do you want another drink for!
i stopped the waiter, you want a drink you order a drink (tell what kind of girl she is for the night)
sauvignon blanc wine with ice, after 5 minutes of normal talk she's at it again!
she did not leave in the taxi her friend left solo.
now she's complaining about not offering the drink those minutes before.
i'm like who are you! i didn't come here to see you. i don't know you, i don't owe you.
you can buy your own drink now.
i apologised to the american because him & the lady he was with, was literally just watching us play lets say for about an hour plus apart from minuted here & their with normal talk.
in the end about 10 minutes before we all parted her friend comes & apologizes to me. this gal going out with the american. who is not on the forum.
so she takes my number & offers to set me up with a friend of hers.
next day the other girl at the table who left in the taxi early calls me up to apologise. how did she get my number.
the cheeky girl end of night stayed behind for a minute and invited me to bhudda bar.
the america & his girl went there they also invited me.
i was not just not impressed to continue the evening with mila. even though in the end she knew who was the man.
okay as has been pointed out. i can see the heavy side of this when read seriously. yes it was a hardcore about of conversational martial arts! however, my return fire "defending" myself was scarface humour for the most part, i watched the flick the night before with al pacino =) & nobody has put me down so much for no reason within many years. i do not accept. so what can i say. okay man, say hello, to the bad guy! i tell you it's the last time you going to see a bad guy like me. let me tell you.
to be honest as was mentioned to me by a fellow isg member i met up with a few weeks back."women are slightly naive here." i agree. some are predators as is the world though as far as i'm concerned overall slightly naive. still the best women or culture race i've come across through my worldly travels.
i was partying one of my first nights here in the club patipa with a fellow isg lad (not sure on the spelling. not that i ever double checked my messages for errors) he left about an hour or two before i did.
i pulled or picked up a freebie, you know the drill. drink, taxi, my place, talk, drink, bedroom.
next day i was asking her does she take the pill? (no points for guessing why)"whats the pill was her answer."
i explained to her. she did not know what the fuck i was on about. the fucking pill hello!
what woman doesn't know about the pill. go speak to the pharmacist or doctor i tell her.
22 years old psychology / sociology / wannabe teacher student.
also helps setting up turks with ukrainian girls i come later to find with me investigative skills. not an amateur overall.
has self confessed many boyfriends. & i could go on about this lady more but it is deviating.
though i don't believe it's just naive. whos bringing this infection into ukraine? not really from western europe or america. i'm speculating.
in netherlands i know a strategy some morrocans use on the dutch women (or dutch passport resident) , make her fall in love. have a baby, she gets money from the welfare system. she has another baby gets more money, a 3rd. 4th. the money which is nothing special in amsterdam say gets western union transfered or whatever back to morrocco for the family which translates to a fortune!
i like the ukrainian people, especially the women & not just for their looks. i was in college a little while back don't ask me why in the uk. this little fat fuck * with her big mouth. i thought to myself after some months, this women is as ugly on inside as she is on the outside.
over here in a lot of cases i feel she is as beautiful on the inside as she is on the outside.
i met a isg lad on here for like 10 minutes in arena, he invited his friends as well. anyway this one chick what a pain in the ass! our plan was to meet have a beer. the fella left soon enough, i'm hanging with these people & an america who was cool enough. though anyways, mila o my god every 5 minutes she'd shoot some bullshit out you a show off, you not dressed good enough, quickly shoot a comment to the left then face me & say something insulting or testing, so after about half an hour of this little pussy. who is a lawyer if i remember correctly.
i remember saying to her if you were a man or if you had balls i'd put your head into the table.
what! what are you going to do? you got nothing on me. what you going to do? talk, thats all you can do.
so talk. everything from that point i shut her down. every test, every game, anything she tried i closed the fucker down. don't get me wrong i don't hold no grudge to this chick. though at the time she was way way out of line.
so anyway i closed that fucker down. she shoot a few word to the american regarding me, i'm looking right at her, i'm right opposite her you know. i tell her you got something to say you say it to my face.
mila goes if i have anything to say i will say it to your face.
i been watching you, i know your games you a fucking ametuer, all your years in law study working, mis-directing people, leading, you got nothing on me.
shoot sly words out to the left, then holds the "honest" high ground when confronted.
this was going on for 1 hour. 1 hour plus.
are you fucking with me because you like me? i would never sleep with you she says.
in all this world you can fucking wish! to meet someone like me. to have my loyalty.
what have you got? who are you? where are you going? if i want i can have 10. 15 women
like you. this table is probably as high as it gets for you in this life. make friends with
people with a little money so you can have a free lunch.
if there was security working i'm sure one of us would of been asked to leave. probably me =)
i'm a guy so women are all so innocent.
i know what kind of man you are! you offer to buy him a crink but not me not us.
i listen to her say her speech for close to 2 minutes.
baby! you just ordered a fucking taxi with your friend, you are leaving now. what do you want another drink for!
i stopped the waiter, you want a drink you order a drink (tell what kind of girl she is for the night)
sauvignon blanc wine with ice, after 5 minutes of normal talk she's at it again!
she did not leave in the taxi her friend left solo.
now she's complaining about not offering the drink those minutes before.
i'm like who are you! i didn't come here to see you. i don't know you, i don't owe you.
you can buy your own drink now.
i apologised to the american because him & the lady he was with, was literally just watching us play lets say for about an hour plus apart from minuted here & their with normal talk.
in the end about 10 minutes before we all parted her friend comes & apologizes to me. this gal going out with the american. who is not on the forum.
so she takes my number & offers to set me up with a friend of hers.
next day the other girl at the table who left in the taxi early calls me up to apologise. how did she get my number.
the cheeky girl end of night stayed behind for a minute and invited me to bhudda bar.
the america & his girl went there they also invited me.
i was not just not impressed to continue the evening with mila. even though in the end she knew who was the man.
this chick here in my place is waking up i got to cut out of this forum. okay as has been pointed out. i can see the heavy side of this when read seriously. yes it was a hardcore about of conversational martial arts! however, my return fire "defending" myself was scarface humour for the most part, i watched the flick the night before with al pacino =) & nobody has put me down so much for no reason within many years. i do not accept. so what can i say. okay man, say hello, to the bad guy! i tell you it's the last time you going to see a bad guy like me. let me tell you.
AColonizer
05-07-11, 17:23
Please Sir,
Slavic girls are VERY inside everything deep: deepthroat, deepvaginal, deepanal up to the double-hand anal fisting, with or without LUAN or lidocaine helper.
In general, when a male believe a female (friends, wives or prostitutes) , then he is a screwed man, everywhere in the world.
The genuine Ukrainian woman likes anal sex and she is happy when she pleases her man / men.
You should read years of experiences of masters here and you should understand reality is very different from words said by women (as usual).
You still think about Ukrainian women in the Western way. All of us know the Western way is wrong because men are not real men anymore and women are not real women anymore (with all due respect).
This is more and more serious about prostitutes in general. Here is the main rules for absolute beginners:
- when you deal with a prostitute as a gentleman, then you are a screwed man;
- prostitutes are paid for a period of time to make everything their customers want;
- prostitutes are ready to make everything, at the same or higher or lower (sic!) price, regardless of the quality of performance;
- when a prostitute answers she doesn't make that performance (sex or perversion) , or she is scamming you, or she is not a prostitute;
- when a monger can't get what he wants, or he tries to improve his bastard skill, or he has to stop his expensive hobby.
etc. Ukrainian gals are NOT into anal. etc.
I wish to have your comment from your experience.
I am a beginner monger and went only one time in Kiev, and compared to all you, I know very little how to behave with Ukrainian girls
So please tell me In general the Ukrainian girl that offer sex for money, those from mamba strip clubs ect. Give BBBJ or covered? Because all the girls that I have been with, those from Mamba they all gave me covered BJ but I did not ask for BBBJ because I preferred that way to be more safe.
And I am correct if I say that when an Ukrainian girl don't like your attitude, she immediately change her attitude / get upset and she may leave or she gives you a bad service and you can forget the GFE?
AR
As the title says. I'm planning a trip to Phuket probably July month.
I know quite a few ladies would love to take the ride. For a ride =)
Anybody know ladies that may be interested in an exotic month date abroad? PM me info please.
I'm looking for someone around 20 to 24 years, little english at least, not an ugg! Only hotties. You are of course free to do what you want but I think that, unless you are deeply fond of ukrainan girls and do not consider asian or specifically thai at all, you might regret the idea once you are a few days into your trip in Thailand.
As they say "up to you" and as I do not know you I can't discuss much.
There often even suggestions in thai pages such as "why to take a Bangkok girl to Phuket"
Just a friendly warning, unaware of your full and real thoughts behind your idea.
AColonizer
05-07-11, 22:44
Beginners, beginners, beginners, also me, I was an absolute beginner but I wanted to know the raw reality.
Sex, for its same origin, is a natural behaviour without technologycal support (condoms in primis) , therefore if you want to enjoy real sex, then you should have sex without condoms. Therefore all wise people should ALWAYS get a recent medical certificate from his / her partner before to have real sex. Otherwise there is sex with condoms, that is not real sex but it is a hypocritical kind of peace of mind.
People, who are afraid about their health and safeness, should NEVER approach promiscuous girls and prostitutes because diseases can be transmitted by breathing (tuberculosis) or by skin (fungus) , and not only by blood or by sperm.
I wish to have your comment from your experience.
I am a beginner monger and went only one time in Kiev, and compared to all you, I know very little how to behave with Ukrainian girls
So please tell me In general the Ukrainian girl that offer sex for money, those from mamba strip clubs ect. Give BBBJ or covered? Because all the girls that I have been with, those from Mamba they all gave me covered BJ but I did not ask for BBBJ because I preferred that way to be more safe.
And I am correct if I say that when an Ukrainian girl don't like your attitude, she immediately change her attitude / get upset and she may leave or she gives you a bad service and you can forget the GFE?
AR
You are of course free to do what you want but I think that, unless you are deeply fond of ukrainan girls and do not consider asian or specifically thai at all, you might regret the idea once you are a few days into your trip in Thailand.
As they say "up to you" and as I do not know you I can't discuss much.
There often even suggestions in thai pages such as "why to take a Bangkok girl to Phuket"
Just a friendly warning, unaware of your full and real thoughts behind your idea. Cheers for your thoughts, I wonder why you feel its a bad idea? Probably for the easy of meeting Thai gals =)
I have been in & out of Thailand 4 times. Been around the country mainly Phuket say a year. Stayed in Patong, Karon, Phuket city. I know that place as close to a second home as it gets.
Its a great country. I do like Ukraine people they are good, loose, & most not all are respectful even when they have an issue with you. & it makes me happy to meet boys & girls here that I feel don't want anything from me apart from interest in company. Of course mutual benefit works to when it comes your way.
However, I'm looking for shared time together a gal cultured from here. Maybe together we'll meet a gal in Thai & have a 3-some. Probably will. One of the understandings I forward is I want to sleep with other gals in Thai. Tourists also on the pull. & Having a female wing is many times better than a male, of course I understand Thailand you don't need anything just balls.
In Pattaya they literally fight on the street over you, hes mine! Hes my customer LOL. Pretty wild to see. I remember all the boys sitting drinking by this club stools outdoor around 10-11pm. We're all just watching this girly brawl on the main street.
I think it will be cool to have a pretty & cultured lady. Come play with me Thailand.
If I'm there for 3 months, definitely 2 months maybe 3. 1 month will be devoted to this shared experience.
Actually now 2 gals have been talking to me in interest regarding the trip.
& I am inviting for a month stay not less because I also want to fill the time with company.
I met so many boys & girls on my days in Phuket, the bummer is usually they in for a week then gone.
So after actually getting to know people & they leave the next day or a few days later. Its hard work going through the whole introductory trust process every other night. .
A real news from Kiev.
The Mystery Tramp (known as Alesia or as Larisa) canceled her profile from mamba / flirt. At the claimed age of 25. May be she is 27/8 or so. Properly treated already in 2004/5 (Dr Skank and me).
One of the sex icons of Kiev is gone: agencies, the River Palace (shit the wonderful market is closed) , and at least 30 seniors here will miss her skinny body (165/48) her outstanding BBBJ / CIM / some time swallowing. (if a little bit drunk).
A real pity should have been good at least for a couple of years more!
IT
PS Still one of my best pics... MT maid dressed, unshaved, cuffed to the bed, close to get railed in few seconds...150820
Ok you are right but a little. Safer sex (covered BJ) is better than no sex at all, because that's what am getting in my country Nothing. What about those two questions can you give me your comment?
Tell me In general the Ukrainian girl that offer sex for money, those from mamba strip clubs ect. Give BBBJ or covered? Because all the girls that I have been with, those from Mamba they all gave me covered BJ but I did not ask for BBBJ because I preferred that way to be more safe.
And I am correct if I say that when an Ukrainian girl don't like your attitude, she immediately change her attitude / get upset and she may leave or she gives you a bad service and you can forget the GFE?
Cheers for your thoughts, I wonder why you feel its a bad idea? Probably for the easy of meeting Thai gals =)
So after actually getting to know people & they leave the next day or a few days later. Its hard work going through the whole introductory trust process every other night. . I was right in taking a soft approach as I didn't know you are well familiar with Thdiland and know all what is going on.
Same as I didn't know about the plans for a 3-some or more.
So that starts to make sense!
I agree, there are exceptions, but it us hard to have decent conversations with WG as most of the pick ups there are WG.
I don't have a clue about Ukrainian but from what I read offering an extended holiday with fun, and as long as the terms are well set and clear, should work out well, then. The group sex is more tricky but probably an ukrainian is more truly inclined to that than a Thai or Asian: in theory they often offer extende numbers on the bed, but then one wars in the bathroom! They are bi- just to sign the deal!
Good luck then and for what is worth I lower the alert I set before from orange to yellow! .
Beginners, beginners, beginners, also me, I was an absolute beginner but I wanted to know the raw reality.
I always rate that certificates are more for the peace of minds than for real guarantee.
First some of the sicknesses come out with a delay.
Secondly a professional have sex many times a day and anything transmissible can happen in between the last exam, the results and the deed.
Only the beater of the certificate can know it's worth.
Having said that it is true that a cracker might not get a green light to operate in the field.
Still as you say, there are other ways to get a dease with no bareback BJ or FS
Reiner Otto
05-08-11, 14:22
Can somebody give personal recommendations / warnings regarding dental clinics in Kiev?
I am considering an implant.
Insomniaque
05-08-11, 22:47
Please Sir,
Slavic girls are VERY inside everything deep: deepthroat, deepvaginal, deepanal up to the double-hand anal fisting, with or without LUAN or lidocaine helper.
In general, when a male believe a female (friends, wives or prostitutes) , then he is a screwed man, everywhere in the world.
The genuine Ukrainian woman likes anal sex and she is happy when she pleases her man / men.
You should read years of experiences of masters here and you should understand reality is very different from words said by women (as usual).
You still think about Ukrainian women in the Western way. All of us know the Western way is wrong because men are not real men anymore and women are not real women anymore (with all due respect).
This is more and more serious about prostitutes in general. Here is the main rules for absolute beginners:
- when you deal with a prostitute as a gentleman, then you are a screwed man;
- prostitutes are paid for a period of time to make everything their customers want;
- prostitutes are ready to make everything, at the same or higher or lower (sic!) price, regardless of the quality of performance;
- when a prostitute answers she doesn't make that performance (sex or perversion) , or she is scamming you, or she is not a prostitute;
- when a monger can't get what he wants, or he tries to improve his bastard skill, or he has to stop his expensive hobby. Acolonizer, I respect your experience and knowledge, but are we talking about the same thing?
I tend to agree with what you say regarding the decay of the Western world; in some way, yes, men are not real men anymore and women are not real women anymore. And this is one of the reasons that compel me to seek the Slavic pussy, I think. Having said that, I am not sure that being the "real man" implies to treat women as raw pieces of meat. I am rather thoughtful and the general feedback is rather good. Also, did you read my report on my encounter with Alinochka? I suppose this is the way Ukrainian women should be handled from your point of view? Well, I can tell you: she didn't like.
That prostitutes are paid to make everything their customers want is wrong. Just take a look at any escort site: you will find a list of services, which will vary from one girl to another. You might be referring to a time which I did not know, where the girls were so desperate that they would accept about anything from anybody. Things are different today; each girl will explicitly state how far she is ready to go, and the only thing you can expect is that the announced services will indeed be delivered. Moreover, if you look at the list of services, you will see that anal is rarely on the menu; and if it is, it will always be as an "extra". This shows that anal sex is not considered normal or natural, regardless of the question whether you will eventually get it or not. Not to mention the Mamba girls, many of which will simply stop responding if you insist on anal sex too much. Or will you assert that all those women are not prostitutes? In that case, I would be curious to learn where you find yours.
Anyway, I am not asking that the girl let me stick my arm right up her ass to the point where I can tickle her tonsils with my fingers; I don't need this to get off. What I do need to get off is a GFE; and I hardly think this is something you can get from a girl ready for anything with anyone.
Another matter is what you can talk the girl into: there is what the girl says she will do, and there is what the girl will effectively do if you prove to be persuasive enough; I do not deny that. And sometimes I bargain, although I am probably not quite good at it. But this is something I will try to avoid in general, as you can easily ruin a GFE that way. If the question is, can the average girl be talked into anal, the answer is: maybe, but you may have lost something important into the bargain (at least from my perspective). If the question is, will the average girl deliver anal willingly without having to be persuaded, the answer is: no. This is all I am saying.
You seem to have a disillusioned perspective which I cannot fully agree with. Surely I am a bit naive, and it is more than likely than I get screwed much more often than you do; but he who cannot give his trust to a woman, is the real screwed one, at the end of the day. This is obviously true for wives or friends, and this is also true for (mere) prostitutes, as soon as you regard an intercourse that is non GF as little more than a waste of time and money; if you want a GFE, you will need to lower your guard at some stage.
I was right in taking a soft approach as I didn't know you are well familiar with Thdiland and know all what is going on.
Same as I didn't know about the plans for a 3-some or more.
So that starts to make sense!
I agree, there are exceptions, but it us hard to have decent conversations with WG as most of the pick ups there are WG.
I don't have a clue about Ukrainian but from what I read offering an extended holiday with fun, and as long as the terms are well set and clear, should work out well, then. The group sex is more tricky but probably an ukrainian is more truly inclined to that than a Thai or Asian: in theory they often offer extende numbers on the bed, but then one wars in the bathroom! They are bi- just to sign the deal!
Good luck then and for what is worth I lower the alert I set before from orange to yellow! . Thanks brother! =)
I will make future posts regarding the adventure, during or after the trip has taken place.
Can somebody give personal recommendations / warnings regarding dental clinics in Kiev?
I am considering an implant. I go jogging some times early morning or evening. I come across a dental & I can point you to it.
However would not be able to give recommendations or warning.
Apart from this. If they pull out pliers I would take that as a warning!
I go jogging some times early morning or evening. I come across a dental & I can point you to it.
However would not be able to give recommendations or warning.
Apart from this. If they pull out pliers I would take that as a warning! An implant is one of the most precise, exacting, delicate procedures you can get. If they get it wrong, your screwed as it wll not fit well and may not attach to the jaw bone properly. If you decide to go through with it, at least call your Embassy in Kiev and speak with thir medical departmnt to see where Embassy employees and other diplomats go for care.
I do not advise looking for discounts when it coms to ones health. A dentist in Germany told me of a patient that had shoddy work done in the Philippines. They used the wrong metal and did a poor job. The dentist in Germany went through a dozen drills cutting the metal away so he could do the procedure properly.
AZN Monger
05-09-11, 00:07
Acolonizer,
Love your reports, but I have to disagree with your logic on this.
Sex indeed is a natural behavior, but diseases caught from it could be a forever life changer. If you're relatively young, protecting oneself, especially from sex workers, is only smart.
I come from a different viewpoint. Any REAL relationships I have, whether it be girlfriends, a wife or friendships with the opposite sex requires trust, and you should expect it in return. Some men have been burned from bad experiences and carry forth that anger and attitude in their future relationships, which dooms it to fail. There's a difference between making love with someone and mongering around the world while you're single.
Women are human beings too, not just pieces of meat. The point is, all of us are jaded to a certain degree, but not let that affect our overall viewpoint.
Beginners, beginners, beginners, also me, I was an absolute beginner but I wanted to know the raw reality.
Sex, for its same origin, is a natural behaviour without technologycal support (condoms in primis) , therefore if you want to enjoy real sex, then you should have sex without condoms. Therefore all wise people should ALWAYS get a recent medical certificate from his / her partner before to have real sex. Otherwise there is sex with condoms, that is not real sex but it is a hypocritical kind of peace of mind.
People, who are afraid about their health and safeness, should NEVER approach promiscuous girls and prostitutes because diseases can be transmitted by breathing (tuberculosis) or by skin (fungus) , and not only by blood or by sperm.
Is River Palace still closed?Not just closed but towed away.
Some rumours of a return but nothing yet.
An implant is one of the most precise, exacting, delicate procedures you can get. If they get it wrong, your screwed as it wll not fit well and may not attach to the jaw bone properly. If you decide to go through with it, at least call your Embassy in Kiev and speak with thir medical departmnt to see where Embassy employees and other diplomats go for care.
I do not advise looking for discounts when it coms to ones health. A dentist in Germany told me of a patient that had shoddy work done in the Philippines. They used the wrong metal and did a poor job. The dentist in Germany went through a dozen drills cutting the metal away so he could do the procedure properly. Good thinking mahaba. Embassy Embassy Embassy! That should of been my first thought. Even if they say they cannot help on a particular matter, you never know until you try. Always ask your embassy.
True enough if you got a good British or German dentist why take the risk abroad for cutting costs on a holiday.
Insomniaque
05-09-11, 07:59
Some rumours of a return but nothing yet.During my April trip, I have been told by a girl that it was indeed back, although she couldn't tell me the exact location. The only thing she said is that it was away from centre. A good idea may be to ask a taxi driver about it; they know such things.
Global Surfer
05-09-11, 09:08
I met six Ukrainians in Dubai in 2008/2009. Five of them were simply awesome. After that they disappeared or probably move to more expensive joints, so I decided to pay a visit to Ukraine. Booked a flight through AeroSvit and went to Kiev last weekend.
Airline was not that bad but 2 hours late. Plan was to use Polit bus service to Central Railway Station and then taxi to khreschatik. After 21:00, their frequency drops drastically and the next bus was after 1:20 minutes, so I decided to take a taxi UAH 250 to khreschatik hotel to save the night.
Khreschatik Hotel
Despite recommendations for apartment and warnings of joiner / guest fee by security, I stayed at khreschatik hotel.
Hotel is absolutely green and no surcharge / fee. I went upstairs with my guest right in the full view of receptionist and the security people at least twice every day. Staff was very helpful and cooperative and speak reasonable English.
Very central location – next to Buddha bar and 10/15 minutes walk to Patipa and Arena.
24/7 poker club next door is a blessing. They have a 24/7 bank with very competitive rates and bar and restaurant. Please note that rate was very good for USD but not for GBP. Bar and restaurant are expensive considering that it is a casino. Casinos in London are much cheaper.
Cons.
Cheap rooms (my room) was crap. Old and dirty carpet and substandard furniture although facing the khreschatik street.
Lobby Service.
They have WGs in their lobby. I saw them on three nights out of four. Look very professional and do not hesitate to approach you. One of them was OK so decided to give a try. She asked for USD100. Tried to bargain but would not budge. It was 02:10, so decided to take her. Once inside the room she asked for UAH 200 for the security guy fee. I have been warned about that in the forum also by esort model. So I paid her. Next day I brought from outside and no one asked me for any money. So this was obviously a con.
In the lobby she told me that I will get everything I want. Inside the room the statement changed. So I asked her to leave. In that discussion she learned that I am going to stay here for two weeks (not true) and suddenly her attitude changed and everything was once again on the table. Anyway, we had a nice and very long session but that was spoiled by her poor and over acting. Overall it was not a very good experience and not recommended.
Global Surfer
05-09-11, 09:09
In afternoon, I tried Zehnya from escort model. She was supposed to be 21y and 176cm tall. What I got was 30+ and just hardly 160ccm. In theory it was their fault but I gave her USD10 and send her back. I again phoned escort model to tell them what they have done wrong and request another one but they simply hang up. Not a very good business aptitude.
Next I tried from Mamaba and another disappointment. This time I accepted her. She was very cooperative and had a nice session with her.
In evening, I went to Buddha bar. Nice theécor good music but expensive drinks and expensive asking price. Usually starts at USD300 but usually agree for USD150. 200. Surprizing thing about Budha bar was people sitting on the table with their dates. Most of them 10/10 and in most cases one man sitting with 2/3 or 2 man sitting 3-4. They were definitely far superior to the ones sitting along the bar.
About 11:30 decided to move to Caribbean. UAH 150 entry fee, very young crowd, a mixture of normal and professionals, very nice atmosphere but very rude bouncers (nothing happened with me). Asking price was more or less same as Buddha bar but I managed to get one for USD150 (who is also available on Mamaba for USD100). Very young, very cooperative but bit too drunk. Anyway, can be classified as good experience.
To be continued.
In evening, I went to Buddha bar. expensive drinksTo say the least. When a mango mojito costs some 32 €, I personally don't call that "expensive", but outrageous.
Well, ok. 35 € is for a cocktail + a Hookah.
But still.
Ok I just received the list of hotels my travel tour propose me!
http://www.hoojoozat.com/HotelList.aspx?CID=399&DID=1346&ZID=-1&HID=-1&DF=06/06/2011&DT=11/06/2011&Cat=-1&RNB=1&PAX=1_1_0_-1&Hotel=&AffID=14
I need a hotel where I can get any girl of my choice into my room without questions asked by the hotel's mafia!
Or I will choose an appartement.
A real news from Kiev.
The Mystery Tramp (known as Alesia or as Larisa) canceled her profile from mamba / flirt. At the claimed age of 25. May be she is 27/8 or so. Properly treated already in 2004/5 (Dr Skank and me).
One of the sex icons of Kiev is gone: agencies, the River Palace (shit the wonderful market is closed) , and at least 30 seniors here will miss her skinny body (165/48) her outstanding BBBJ / CIM / some time swallowing. (if a little bit drunk).
A real pity should have been good at least for a couple of years more!
IT.
PS Still one of my best pics. MT maid dressed, unshaved, cuffed to the bed, close to get railed in few seconds.
150820IT,
When Mystery Tramp reinstate her profile at Mamba / Flirt, please announce it.
Thanks. :)
Global Surfer
05-09-11, 16:16
In afternoon, I tried one from top models. They told me that she cannot speak English and suggested another one. When I told them my hotel and room number she hangs up. This gives me the impression that escort model and top model may be the same agency.
Tried a few other numbers from top model but no answer. So back to Mamaba again. This time I told them to confirm their description at least (just height and weight and not the picture) and If they did not fit their description they will be sent back without taxi fare. All six of them refused to come. All this conversation was going on my htc mobile connected to internet via crappy hotel wifi and was quite tiring. Eventually, I dropped the idea of day time fun.
In evening, between 18:00 to 20:00, I spend on Khreschatik Street around Mango, McDonald and Marks and Spencer in the hope of a damsel but no luck.
I was in queue for a doner when I started chatting with a Belarusian nurse (professional courtesy). Discussion started with Kiev architecture and the quickly moved to political turmoil and suppression in Belarus after recent election. I invited her for a drink but she refused. I joked that I am not going ask for sex in return for a beer. She laughed and greed for a coffee. First a coffee from street van and then from McDonald and then one from the hotel lobby and then from the Casino, we discussed Kievean Rus from 900 AD onwards to Mongols to Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth to Kossacs to Russians to Germans to Chernobyl until at 3:30 am we ended in bed. Unfortunately she was leaving next afternoon so we said good bye in morning after exchanging phone numbers and invitations. Interesting thing was that there was no loose talk or body contact until 2:30 am.
Global Surfer
05-09-11, 16:16
I went to Buddha bar for a drink before heading for Patipa. There were a few new wgs in the bar. Very friendly and very chatty. Spend hour chatting with them and then decided to take one of them. Started with USD 300 but the ease with which she agreed on USD 200 made be think that I could have brought her down to USD 100-150.
Not a stunner but definitely an A+ and very good attitude. Although initial agreement was for an hour but she spend more than 3 hours. Over all excellent service and strongly recommended. She told me that she is on Mamba as well but would not tell me her I'd as she goes for USD 100 on Mamba,
I would definitely like to visit Kiev again, the only trouble is its reputation and that can cause domestic problems. However, I did not get the quality and service I experienced in Dubai except the last one. Probably that was compensated by Belarusian free bee.
I have talked to a superb girl over krutomer. Ru thanks to google translate, I asked her if she accept to come over an hotel room when I will come, she said NO! She accepts only in apartment!
I have found that the 'Senators Park' hotel is very good for the price but I wonder if I will get any internet girl in this hotel.
If you know any apartment to rent in a hotel type meaning breakfast included and cleaning service PLEASE tell me!
Is it possible to detail the experience with the Belarusian free bee?
I went to Buddha bar for a drink before heading for Patipa. There were a few new wgs in the bar. Very friendly and very chatty. Spend hour chatting with them and then decided to take one of them. Started with USD 300 but the ease with which she agreed on USD 200 made be think that I could have brought her down to USD 100-150.
Not a stunner but definitely an A+ and very good attitude. Although initial agreement was for an hour but she spend more than 3 hours. Over all excellent service and strongly recommended. She told me that she is on Mamba as well but would not tell me her I'd as she goes for USD 100 on Mamba,
I would definitely like to visit Kiev again, the only trouble is its reputation and that can cause domestic problems. However, I did not get the quality and service I experienced in Dubai except the last one. Probably that was compensated by Belarusian free bee.
Insomniaque
05-09-11, 20:34
Ok I just received the list of hotels my travel tour propose me!
http://www.hoojoozat.com/HotelList.aspx?CID=399&DID=1346&ZID=-1&HID=-1&DF=06/06/2011&DT=11/06/2011&Cat=-1&RNB=1&PAX=1_1_0_-1&Hotel=&AffID=14
I need a hotel where I can get any girl of my choice into my room without questions asked by the hotel's mafia!
Or I will choose an appartement. Sir, would you be so kind as to read the fucking forum a little bit?
I have been to the Lybid and to the Rus (many times). No problem but you will have to bribe the security, although they might leave you alone during the day. Dnipro and President must be girl-friendly as well, since they both have their own strip-club.
There is no mafia there, only wankers trying to make some extra cash. No need to panick.
If you really want a hotel where you won't have to bribe anyone, you can try the Dniprovskiy Hotel, Moorage 4, Naberezhno-Kreschatinskaya. 10A. It's super cheap, and the staff might scowl you a bit. But at least they won't make you pay.
IT,
When Mystery Tramp reinstate her profile at Mamba / Flirt, please announce it.
Thanks. . For sure, first I'll drill her (this time agian in the three holes) and then. Announce it. .
IT
Global Surfer,
I always rent flats rather than hotel rooms, its better for the same price or less, no security guards, just make sure the building has elevators and the flat has water heater.
Almost all apartment agencies will pick you up from the airport and take you to the for around $50.
There are alot of apartment agencies in Kiev.
I really don't understand why some of you rent hotel rooms
However, I did not get the quality and service I experienced in Dubai except the last one..I can't imagine the Ukrainian girls visiting Dubai being better looking than some of the dancers I saw and had at Rio which were top notch.
Perhaps it would have helped you to be with incredible Ukrainian stunners like you may have had in Dubai, had you read the recent posts on this thread describing in detail the hotties on offer at places like Rio strip club, which I noticed from your posts you did not visit once. Or perhaps you were put off by the price tag requiring 3 hours with the girl as a minimum (at $100 / hr rate)?
Anyway, there is always your next visit.
I also agree that apartment rentals are clearly the better solution where you can get better, more spacious accommodations for less money than at hotel.
little report of my on goings. went out with pretty sexual looking creature the other night on a date. lady has just come out of a 5 year releationship, been "single" for 3 months. lovely girl a little high maintenance. i like this i'm the best girl & you'll never find another like me attitude. it's sexy & builds for some good back & forth emotional & sexual tension. which emotionally stimulates women more of course & sexually stimulates the boys. push & pull if you will. & you really want to be able to emotionally stimulate a girl like this. i don't expect anyone on this form to ask why =) of course it is a forum & shit gets spoken all the time.
anyway. avanti! to the key moments. lady wants to go to ireland, i'm not interested really i've seen alot of green leave, green trees, green mountains, its not a treat for me. she dreams about it! its a future goal to see ireland. okay thats great. i speak a little more. & as some of you boys & girls have read i plan to make my way to thai with a gal interested from here. so i shot it out to her, now skip the speech on thailand promoting. her response was interest in what i was saying for what we could communicate, however she says she really is not that interested in south east asia. back onto the ireland as mentioned, maybe later you welcome to come to stay with me in the uk & from there we could take a trip to see the wonders of ireland. the crunch is she thinks that she needs $5000. yes five thousand dollars in her account to be able to make the journey to the united kingdom. of course when i hear this the first two things that come to my mind are. warning! achtung! danger! schnell! & maybe seriously she actually does not know what she's talking about.
that night we met at 10pm went for a walk & after to the mafia restaurant, have one alcoholic cocktail each. that was enough for her she said she was feeling a little drunk. lady does not like nightclubs, prefers restaurants, karaokes. why? because she does not like the attention from all the drooling boys in the clubs. blonde hair, pretty big boobs, attractive sexy, dresses well, makeup, not to tall, in good shape. does however smoke a little. but whos perfect right? =) our plan was to do a karaoke at the mafia they wanted 100grn each entry to go downstairs. princess was handling the talk with the hostess. she did not seem to keen on the price tag for entry. i kept a little quiet to see if she would look to me for "taking care" & then we go in. she did not, however after a minute i said lets go in, you like then we go. its no problem sweetheart. however we went to sit instead her choice to have that drink i mentioned. i really feel she lead us to the seating area to save "me" from paying the 100grn each!
another day previously in some arab restaurant i just pulled into with her. food was excellent & well over priced! i saw the way she looked at the bill. like a slight oh shit look. she only decided to have 2 fresh squeezed apple juice drinks. which came to 90grn. i feel the look was more due to her surprize of cost for the juices. ultimately she knows i'm paying. but the look shows concern, concern equal to consideration for the company she is with. later we went on the subway only 2 grn but she paid for me.) haha! i went to the subway with someone else a week before & the chick wanted me to pay for both of us. "cash card."
with a lot of things its not money but principle more so. nothing can be as annoying & as humiliating as a girlfriend saying honey pay for this, pay for that. on & on. amsterdam professional strippers watchout for the hustles! words of wisdom i pass to my children. even though you think you got things under control. the emotional brain will out manuver your logical brain be the intensity & duration of time applied against long enough. all your wordly experience & learnings take a second seat.
she phoned me up the other day saying, i saw you talking to the "grandmother" we parted company after the mafia restaurant as she was meeting her friends. i was dissappointed as we only spent like 1 hours-ish together after meeting & walking to the establishment. anyways i give her a few kiss with no reciprocation. okay i was going for the cheek then quckly scored a tactical lip direct hit! & followed up with 3-4 more quick hits. kiss kiss kiss kiss. pretty funny. however it was not reciprocated, then she's like gogo as she's waiting for her "girlfriend." i offered to stay with her it was late well 12-12. 30 in the morning. but she did not accept. so she walks to the rails, & i walk off i little curious, i even considered maybe just holding back to view who actually comes up to meet her. but i didn't i thought fuck it! so as i was walking i passed an old lady street beggar, i walked past her & then decided to walk back & give her some grn. as i thought to myself look at this i'm jumping around drinking like a rich fucking mummy & this poor old bastard, this woman right over there is eating dirt. so i walkied back & gave her a little cash. & returned on my walk back to my apartment. so i get the call from lady next day afterrnoon. i see you talking with "grandmother" last night. i walk dog now. do you lie to me? you speak russian? i see you speak with "grandmother" so i explained to her i just passed over some money for assistance. she was like ahh okay. i invite her to this american imitation road side diner place i found 5 minutes from krechatic. she agrees but later i get the message i can't come out today. which i have had 2-3 times with no explaination. & don't ask.
so anyways remember i was saying i was considering holding back & seeing who came to meet her for curiousity though i did not. lady was obviously watching me! because from were i left her, to were i walked, for her to see me. she would of had to come forward a little no doubt.
regarding the kissing maybe after the 5 year relationship, she has not been with many boys so is a little uncomfortable. i did touch her once o and first meeting walking & she was slightly defensive. like a almost arm around waist walking. will someone give me a quick & simple what to seriously do! to invite a girl here to the uk for a holiday? i don't want to scan the internet for an hour so don't tell me about this site or that site. if you know just scrible a few accurate words amigos. what else can i say, i have been taken to her place of business her work while she had to do something for 5 minutes, was introduced to an associate who was working drunk one of those holidays & he was drinking in work. whatever not important.
i really don't like getting scams against my people or self. so when i hear $5000.
& do you speak russian. because she was chatting in the restaurant on phone in russian probably to friends when they contacted. it possibly could be ametuer hour. or maybe another boyfriend seeing she did not want me to wait, & questioning me about my russian language knowledge.
but anyway after all the could this be a genuine princess! i decided to have a good 3 hour session with a discounted rate! i managed to negotiate. fucking awesome fun!
i found your story interesting, i live in the east, and my expirence with these girls is that if she's interested, she'll make no secret about it, she's making you work way to hard, she mentions money, bad sign, you try to touch her, try to kiss her and she flinches, meet with her again and see what happens, get close to her, spike her emotions, you know what to do, i feel a 5 year relationship or not, by now you should be banging this girl like a freaking gladiator.
little report of my on goings. went out with pretty sexual looking creature the other night on a date. lady has just come out of a 5 year releationship, been "single" for 3 months. lovely girl a little high maintenance. i like this i'm the best girl & you'll never find another like me attitude. it's sexy & builds for some good back & forth emotional & sexual tension. which emotionally stimulates women more of course & sexually stimulates the boys. push & pull if you will. & you really want to be able to emotionally stimulate a girl like this. i don't expect anyone on this form to ask why =) of course it is a forum & shit gets spoken all the time.
anyway. avanti! to the key moments. lady wants to go to ireland, i'm not interested really i've seen alot of green leave, green trees, green mountains, its not a treat for me. she dreams about it! its a future goal to see ireland. okay thats great. i speak a little more. & as some of you boys & girls have read i plan to make my way to thai with a gal interested from here. so i shot it out to her, now skip the speech on thailand promoting. her response was interest in what i was saying for what we could communicate, however she says she really is not that interested in south east asia. back onto the ireland as mentioned, maybe later you welcome to come to stay with me in the uk & from there we could take a trip to see the wonders of ireland. the crunch is she thinks that she needs $5000. yes five thousand dollars in her account to be able to make the journey to the united kingdom. of course when i hear this the first two things that come to my mind are. warning! achtung! danger! schnell! & maybe seriously she actually does not know what she's talking about.
that night we met at 10pm went for a walk & after to the mafia restaurant, have one alcoholic cocktail each. that was enough for her she said she was feeling a little drunk. lady does not like nightclubs, prefers restaurants, karaokes. why? because she does not like the attention from all the drooling boys in the clubs. blonde hair, pretty big boobs, attractive sexy, dresses well, makeup, not to tall, in good shape. does however smoke a little. but whos perfect right? =) our plan was to do a karaoke at the mafia they wanted 100grn each entry to go downstairs. princess was handling the talk with the hostess. she did not seem to keen on the price tag for entry. i kept a little quiet to see if she would look to me for "taking care" & then we go in. she did not, however after a minute i said lets go in, you like then we go. its no problem sweetheart. however we went to sit instead her choice to have that drink i mentioned. i really feel she lead us to the seating area to save "me" from paying the 100grn each!
another day previously in some arab restaurant i just pulled into with her. food was excellent & well over priced! i saw the way she looked at the bill. like a slight oh shit look. she only decided to have 2 fresh squeezed apple juice drinks. which came to 90grn. i feel the look was more due to her surprize of cost for the juices. ultimately she knows i'm paying. but the look shows concern, concern equal to consideration for the company she is with. later we went on the subway only 2 grn but she paid for me.) haha! i went to the subway with someone else a week before & the chick wanted me to pay for both of us."cash card."
with a lot of things its not money but principle more so. nothing can be as annoying & as humiliating as a girlfriend saying honey pay for this, pay for that. on & on. amsterdam professional strippers watchout for the hustles! words of wisdom i pass to my children. even though you think you got things under control. the emotional brain will out manuver your logical brain be the intensity & duration of time applied against long enough. all your wordly experience & learnings take a second seat.
she phoned me up the other day saying, i saw you talking to the "grandmother" we parted company after the mafia restaurant as she was meeting her friends. i was dissappointed as we only spent like 1 hours-ish together after meeting & walking to the establishment. anyways i give her a few kiss with no reciprocation. okay i was going for the cheek then quckly scored a tactical lip direct hit! & followed up with 3-4 more quick hits. kiss kiss kiss kiss. pretty funny. however it was not reciprocated, then she's like gogo as she's waiting for her "girlfriend." i offered to stay with her it was late well 12-12. 30 in the morning. but she did not accept. so she walks to the rails, & i walk off i little curious, i even considered maybe just holding back to view who actually comes up to meet her. but i didn't i thought fuck it! so as i was walking i passed an old lady street beggar, i walked past her & then decided to walk back & give her some grn. as i thought to myself look at this i'm jumping around drinking like a rich fucking mummy & this poor old bastard, this woman right over there is eating dirt. so i walkied back & gave her a little cash. & returned on my walk back to my apartment. so i get the call from lady next day afterrnoon. i see you talking with "grandmother" last night. i walk dog now. do you lie to me? you speak russian? i see you speak with "grandmother" so i explained to her i just passed over some money for assistance. she was like ahh okay. i invite her to this american imitation road side diner place i found 5 minutes from krechatic. she agrees but later i get the message i can't come out today. which i have had 2-3 times with no explaination. & don't ask.
so anyways remember i was saying i was considering holding back & seeing who came to meet her for curiousity though i did not. lady was obviously watching me! because from were i left her, to were i walked, for her to see me. she would of had to come forward a little no doubt.
regarding the kissing maybe after the 5 year relationship, she has not been with many boys so is a little uncomfortable. i did touch her once o and first meeting walking & she was slightly defensive. like a almost arm around waist walking. will someone give me a quick & simple what to seriously do! to invite a girl here to the uk for a holiday? i don't want to scan the internet for an hour so don't tell me about this site or that site. if you know just scrible a few accurate words amigos. what else can i say, i have been taken to her place of business her work while she had to do something for 5 minutes, was introduced to an associate who was working drunk one of those holidays & he was drinking in work. whatever not important.
i really don't like getting scams against my people or self. so when i hear $5000.
& do you speak russian. because she was chatting in the restaurant on phone in russian probably to friends when they contacted. it possibly could be ametuer hour. or maybe another boyfriend seeing she did not want me to wait, & questioning me about my russian language knowledge.
but anyway after all the could this be a genuine princess! i decided to have a good 3 hour session with a discounted rate! i managed to negotiate. fucking awesome fun!
Global Surfer
05-10-11, 14:24
I can't imagine the Ukrainian girls visiting Dubai being better looking than some of the dancers I saw and had at Rio which were top notch.
I think your are right. I totally agree that, in general, the quality and servce in Ukraine is far superior to Dubai.
I have been visiting Dubai 6-8 times a year for lst 4-5 years. I am sure in my second and third visit to Kiev I will be much better off.
In Dubai mostly you will find Stanis. For CIS full night generally mean 2-4 hours.
In that particular year I got 6 Ukrainian from the same joint for arround GBP160. Two of them were probably stunners and rest were A listers.
Service was really superb. That was bit more of coincidence. That is why I said my trib fell short of expections.
This trip was generally far better than my usual trip to Dubai.
About Rio again you are right. I kenw about it. However, the photos on top model, escort model and mamaba were also very nice.
Next time I may try Rio. Girls I got form mamaba were not that bad, Only trouble was I prefer tall / vary tall.
Again hotel I agree but this visit was paid for by the company and that was their requirement
Global Surfer
05-10-11, 14:29
Is it possible to detail the experience with the Belarusian free bee?Free bee provide friend ship and warmth and feeling of success. In this case sex was average. Oral was obviously without condom but neither I or she was willing for unsafe sex. In fact I am not interested in unsafe sex.
So from that perspective it was plan vanilla sex but still difficult to forget.
Global Surfer
05-10-11, 14:36
Ok I just received the list of hotels my travel tour propose me!
http://www.hoojoozat.com/HotelList.aspx?CID=399&DID=1346&ZID=-1&HID=-1&DF=06/06/2011&DT=11/06/2011&Cat=-1&RNB=1&PAX=1_1_0_-1&Hotel=&AffID=14
I need a hotel where I can get any girl of my choice into my room without questions asked by the hotel's mafia!
Or I will choose an appartement. If you have read my report, I think just second or third below your question, I have clearly mentioned Khreschatik Hotel is green. No briibe and no objection. This is true for last weekend
AColonizer
05-11-11, 03:40
Thanks for your sincere reply.
Everybody can represent the reality in his own way, this means reality is a set of "dreams and nightmares" and it is often far from physical phenomena. A funny example is when a monger talks about a "fantastic be*" who is actually nothing special indeed (because I know her too).
We are talking about women, and what is the best representation about women if not the representation of a female brain? If you start to think as a female, then you start to move in a different world. Now the question is: how do prostitutes think about themselves? Did anybody ask that? Did anybody hear that? Yes, I did. And what is the reply? Paraphrasing for the audience "My work is to be an object for a period of time" or, with your words,"In that moment, I am just a piece of meat". I can testify, there is nothing could change prostitutes' behaviour.
Here I have always to repeat the same warning, as a sincere friend: gentlemen always expect to get great disappointments with women in all over the world, and people fills their disappointments with "good feelings"."Good feelings" are "dreams" that make the reality sustainable.
etc. Women are human beings too, not just pieces of meat. etc.
AColonizer
05-11-11, 03:44
Hey, guys, which are performances? Adjectives don't mean anything! And prices without performances don't mean anything too! Please, provide carefully reports.
I found your story interesting, I live in the East, and my expirence with these girls is that if she's interested, she'll make no secret about it, she's making you work way to hard, she mentions money, bad sign, you try to touch her, try to kiss her and she flinches, meet with her again and see what happens, get close to her, spike her emotions, you know what to do, I feel a 5 year relationship or not, by now you should be banging this girl like a freaking gladiator.Like a freaking gLaDiaToR! Fucking awesome brother!
Yes & to do with timing. I was talking about Thailand Phuket before she brought up the "Leprechaun" being Ireland & the pot of "gold" being $5k.
She is rather good looking, however many women here are. But she has the I want to fuck you appeal. Lot of boys give her the look even the fucking waiters you know. Of course she knows it. But her game to me is very average, if she's trying to build jealousy. If you have been a sportsman. Its like seeing the punch coming just before its thrown, or as coming its telegraphed well enough for you to manouver out of the way in good time.
At the moment I'm returning the I'm not chasing you.
& thank for the private messages some fellas, though I'm not passing my freebies for viewing unless I find them out to be working girls seeking currency.
F*ck me! Excuse the French. Um. =) nevermind. I just spent an hour with a working girl who came to me on fire! Drunk to the point of I want to screw your brains out! Nice! Nice I say. It was really good, considering from the time of the last post I drank 2 glasses of champagne & one Tuborg beer. & one Conyac on the rocks but whos counting right? Anyway princess is having a birthday party tonight. Her friends due. I've been invited so what the hell. I'm going with this love bird to meet her friends at a table in Shooters tonight. If any of you ISG boys are around. Come & make friendly. I've invited a english ukrainian enterpreter. & managed with talk to get him welcome along with myself. Come say Hello.
F*ck me! Excuse the French. etc.Too bad not to be in Kiev now. But please tell us where or how you had this success in finding this wg. And report.
Hello, guys, I've arrived here on Monday and I've having lots of fun! Started with Paradise cabaret on 8th floor of Premier Palace hotel on Monday night. Few people and stunning girls all for me! I chose Aksana, a tall slim blonde very sexy on the dance floor, and had a private dance for 10 minutes. Wow. I could lick and touch her everywhere, apart the pussy, but she was so hot that I was close to be allowed to do that!
Damage of the evening: 400 grivna for entrance+2 drinks, but 1000 grivna for the dance. Quite expensive. I asked about the price to get together in my room. She told me that I would need to buy 2 bottles of champagne, one for the cabaret and one for the room. No way. Damage would be enormous for my pocket! Shame to me. This girl was very interested to me, to my life, we had a long chat after the dance and I understood that a good chemistry had been established between us. But still too expensive to me.
On Tuesday first I went to Buddha bar. It was 11 pm. Just few people and only 2 WG, so I immediately left and went to Rio. 100 grivna to enter and 50 to drink. Margò, blonde and tall, has so puffy nipples that I couldn't resist and I invited her for private dance. 200 grivna for 2 songs. Same story as yesterday. Lick and touch tits and ass. Good feeling!
It was 15 minutes to 1 pm when I returned to Buddha bar. Now the situation had changed. Still few people but about 6/7 WG at the bar still available. It took me just 5 minutes to meet Sophia, tall and blonde with an angel face. She asked me 400 $ but we agreed for 150 euro. Very hot in bed. I licked all I wanted for 1/2 hour, then covered BJ and sex. She gave me her phone number and said "Call me when you want, for you I'll be always available, I had 3 orgasms this night and I really enjoyed!".
Yesterday more or less the same story. In Rio I invited a very slim blonde girl with interesting nipples (I cannot remember her name, sorry!) , but a real delusion: I wasn't allowed to lick her during the private dance! WTF.
At 00:30 I was back to Buddha bar. This night WG still available were at least 15 of high quality. I wanted to have a chat with all of them to see which one was the prettiest and the nicest to me. Alina was the hell on earth. Fantastic body, a speaking ass, very very sexy and drunk, hot as I couldn't imagine. I obviously chose her, and we agreed for 150 euro + taxi. OK OK, for her I would spend even more after I've tried her.
Once at my hotel room. Oh my goodness, what a spectacle! This blonde girls has a perfect body, and when I say perfect I use this word properly! She kept drinking alcohol even with me, then she french-kissed me and once remained naked opened wide her long and slim legs and I dived on her completely shaved pussy for a long long cunnilingus. She enjoyed it a lot and changed various positions to be licked in every millimeter of her pussy and ass. When she was in dog position and her meaty big lips were waiting only for my tongue I felt in paradise.
Then she gave me BBBJ and fucked me with big moans (actually I hoped that the hotel walls were thick enough to fiter the noise!). At the end I was completely satisfied with her. She's been my absolute highlight of this trip up to now.
And this afternoon? Now I've collected 3 phone numbers from Buddha bar girls. At the moment I'm not able to decide which is my favourite one. They all agreed to get my room for 150 euro.
To be continued.
Insomniaque
05-12-11, 13:26
To say the least. When a mango mojito costs some 32 €, I personally don't call that "expensive", but outrageous.I would be interested in getting a rough picture of which clubs are the most expensive, and which ones are a good deal. Already been to some of them but so far I did not really pay attention; but now that I find myself with a freebie to entertain, this is something I may take into account. How would you classify the clubs when it comes to the prices of drinks, the entrance fee, etc? I am thinking of the Avalon, Caribbean, D'lux, Vodka Bar, Sky Bar, Aura, Mantra, Arena, Patipa, etc. Which ones should one avoid so as not to end up with an astronomical bill?
Insomniaque
05-12-11, 13:33
Like a freaking gLaDiaToR! Fucking awesome brother!
Yes & to do with timing. I was talking about Thailand Phuket before she brought up the "Leprechaun" being Ireland & the pot of "gold" being $5k.
She is rather good looking, however many women here are. But she has the I want to fuck you appeal. Lot of boys give her the look even the fucking waiters you know. Of course she knows it. But her game to me is very average, if she's trying to build jealousy. If you have been a sportsman. Its like seeing the punch coming just before its thrown, or as coming its telegraphed well enough for you to manouver out of the way in good time.
At the moment I'm returning the I'm not chasing you.
& thank for the private messages some fellas, though I'm not passing my freebies for viewing unless I find them out to be working girls seeking currency. Please keep us posted, I find that story interesting, too. I tend to think you are backing the wrong horse, but I am curious to see how you are going to play it.
Alright lads.
What an awesome forum!
I've been going to Kiev purely for business reasons for about a year now (Got UK clients that have offices / sites over there) and believe it or not I have never sampled any of the local "delights", although for some reason I really like the city and would even consider buying an apartment there to spend a few months in every year. Been putting it off though as I know it'll be an absolute pain in the ass to do.
Work's got to the stage now where I can pretty much leave it to run itself, so later this year I'll be going back to Kiev to hopefully catch up on everything I've been missing out on. I've read in a few posts that a few of you guys have got almost "regular" girlfriends there, who seem to not only partake, but also chip in on organising the multi-girl action. Got to get me one of those!
Anyway, keep up the good work and be prepared for many questions that have no doubt been asked 1000's of times already.
J
Girl Happy
05-12-11, 18:14
GirlHappyNorway.
Is there some one that can give a rookie in Kiev some good advices in the jungel of girls and places?
My goal is to find fine girls without beeing framed one way or the other.
I have been reading some on this forum, but still I can't seem to find out where I shall begin!
Which place or internet site can give a rookie like me a good start on my one week stay?
When there is something to report about, you will be the first to now.
I'm reaching out a hand here. Hope someone can take the time to help me over the rookie stage!
Thanks in advance.
Take care!
GirlHappyNorway.
Is there some one that can give a rookie in Kiev some good advices in the jungel of girls and places?
My goal is to find fine girls without beeing framed one way or the other! Someone has guts to start with a request like this. You better report, and that very soon! But here is some quick advix. You can take a taxi to some of the discos mentioned in this forum (Avalon, Arena, Buddha, the'Lux etc) and if you're young and handsome (or not the total opposide of this) invite some girls to drink, be generous and they soon will notice you and want to swing. That is exactly your moment to make your pick and invite them to party, or ask for their number. Second option (does not exclude the other) is register with Mamba. Ru, full membership, this is ok, but I would not reveal my regular email-address or mobile number. Besides this, get some ukrainian Sim-card to be able to make contact and stay in touch. Then use the advance-search function on Mamba to look for girls who want one-night-stand, and are online at the moment, so you can make a quick contact and arrange a meeting through sms. They probably will quote a price, and the photo probably is not real, but what the heck. Third option is to go to some of the night-clubs (strip-bar) like Rio where it is possible to arrange (some) girls to escort you to your place. Better take her first to a private dance to establish ithe right chemistry.
There are other ways to fine girls, but you better RFF. Fuck on, Roll Buzz
I would be interested in getting a rough picture of which clubs are the most expensive, and which ones are a good deal. Already been to some of them but so far I did not really pay attention; but now that I find myself with a freebie to entertain, this is something I may take into account. How would you classify the clubs when it comes to the prices of drinks, the entrance fee, etc? I am thinking of the Avalon, Caribbean, D'lux, Vodka Bar, Sky Bar, Aura, Mantra, Arena, Patipa, etc. Which ones should one avoid so as not to end up with an astronomical bill?From expensive to cheap, the list would go something like this. Don't know about Mantra.
1 D'lux.
2 Aura.
3 Arena.
4 Sky bar.
5 Caribbean.
6 Avalon.
7 Patipa.
8 Vodka bar
If you have read my report, I think just second or third below your question, I have clearly mentioned Khreschatik Hotel is green. No briibe and no objection. This is true for last weekendI stayed at the Intercontinental for two nights and the Hyatt for one night. I had no issue with taking a girl in either hotel. These two hotels are one block from each other and are a few minutes walk to Rio. The staff at both hotels speak excellent English and the service is top notch. Yes, both hotels are expensive. I thought the Intercontinental was the best.
& thank for the private messages some fellas, though I'm not passing my freebies for viewing unless I find them out to be working girls seeking currency.Ouch.
Point taken, Mystery.
But you can't blame us for trying all the same!
Will be interesting to see how it goes for you.
Best of luck, either way.
VG.
Insomniaque
05-13-11, 11:50
From expensive to cheap, the list would go something like this. Don't know about Mantra.
1 D'lux.
2 Aura.
3 Arena.
4 Sky bar.
5 Caribbean.
6 Avalon.
7 Patipa.
8 Vodka barMany thanks IL. Quite happy to find the Vodka Bar at the end of your list, since I really liked the place (but I got invited when I went there, so I didn't know the rates).
My freebie's favourite place is Aura. She and I may have to discuss a little bit.
Jojosan,
Are you still around?
Please check my post in the London thread.
Ouch.
Point taken, Mystery.
But you can't blame us for trying all the same!
Will be interesting to see how it goes for you.
Best of luck, either way.
VG. Haha! So you were trying! =)
Okay well . The activity between lady & myself has been slim. In the last 3-4 days, the first of. We spoke over the phone, her friend from "Russia" was down a guy as she mentioned. A good friend who is so SMART! He speaks Russian, Dutch, & English so well! Instantly with no doubt the voice tone & everything else. Trying to build jealousy. We were going to go out. But of course because she has not seen him for so long, she has to make the time for him. I considered saying well lets all get together, we can communicate very nicely as her English is so-so. But I decided not to put myself forwards, & said well okay you enjoy yourself & we'll talk tomorrow. Lady asked if I'd call her. I said fine arranged for the afternoon. I woke up early in the morning. I decided to send her a text regarding our meeting for later. & told her to let me know. No reply was forwarded later to myself. So I decided not to make the phone call, not to pursue the honey. Not only for the reasons the manuevers in seduction she is attempting I suppose. But also for 2 other reasons. I'm the kind of person that can be happy on my own 1. & 2 other options! Day 4 then this morning. I was in 2 minds about sending a text, as I'm attracted to the lady, however its for me personally I see my next trip to the Ukraine improving on every front. From living to women, friends & contacts. & I am looking more for pleasures of the flesh now than building serious relationship material. However on that being said almost every woman I have met here I have established a reasonable to good relation. Working girl, players, straight girls, virgins, soon to be married women! Another story here. Anyway let me just finish this topic. So I was in 2 minds to sms. But I did this moring, I get instant reply. Like I mean instant! Followed up by a second. So we'll see what we see then.To be continued I suppose.
Okay activity change of plan from meeting lady above, inviting a fella I made friendly with some weeks back over to hangout. He was with a few girls drinking in one of the parks near Kreschatic. So I invite them also if they are interested? He calls back 15 minutes later. Saying yes we all coming & going to get some beer. Would you like anything? No thanks brother I'm recovering from the party yesterday I say I will drink coffee. Buy some beers you welcome to drink in my place. He did ask if it was okay. Great. Unfortunately it takes me 2 days to recover. Every day would end me in the club world now drinking smoking. So they arrive. 2 boys 4 girls & myself. After 1 hour of coffee I thought screw this I'm DRINKING! They were all very encouraging believe me. It was very entertaining & exciting. Got a Ukrainian drinking game stocked in the head. Can't wait to play this in Britain with the friends. A toast celebration game. You make a toast, take as big a sip as you can, the last one with beer in the glass has to do a "wish." So as you can figure girls are stripping & dancing around the place, scarves & sexy dancing. So you got the bottle big bottle of beer. & after the "Wish" performed by the drinking loser for that round. You do it again! & again, & again, & one more time. & then again, & again, & again! You can use anything I suppose really to your taste. Vodka, champagne, whatever. The substance will not change the system of the game. But your team of hobbits, must finish the bottle & complete the "wishes" be they reasonable enough, wink wink. Later another girl joined me, not relating to the other people. First she did not want to come in as 2 girls were hanging out my window scoring free cigarettes from EVERYBODY! That walked past. They tried her for smokes also. They maybe pulled 30 in total. So she thought I was engaged in other activities. I went down to meet her. & invited her up. It was a party now you can say. So she soon blended in & felt right at home. Before this & the drinking game. We were playing poker for half an hour. Okay I know what some of you are thinking now. Dude! This is a sex forum =) Okay we'll cut the entertainments & chat short. This Ukrainian friend of mine. He has a 3 some in my bedroom! Hes 20 years old. After the girls are upset with each other as one likes him & the other just wanted a fuck. But he nailed them both. Next thing the one that is into him is all upset for an hour. Not friends with the other chick anymore. So my Ukrainain brother smooth things over with her, &. . Hes screwing her in the bed again. We walked in on them wondering were the hell they are now? At about 6-7am the last 2 left. Apart from the girl that came to see me. She went to sleep at 4. 30am, I slept. Woke. We had morning sex. & went for a lunch later.
All the girls, every single one of them initially wanted to stay in contact. I have skype I'd's, numbers, I will come & cook for you something Ukrainian if you like. We can go around if like. So its pretty cool. Only the gal that has a little crush on the buddy I think did not forward her contact. All of them speak english as well, so it was a real surprizing night, lot of action.
Jojosan,
Are you still around?
Please check my post in the London thread.Yes & No.
Few extended weeks between DC& Virginia. WorK & Family related.
Nice to pick up a lot of freebies as well in familiar & friendly hunting grounds +good food.
Almost made me forget about Kiev. But Kiev still wins on the Beauty scale of its birds.
Replied to your Q in the London thread.
Lijoey is your guide on Amelia & Gloria in London
Yes & No.
Few extended weeks between DC& Virginia. WorK & Family related.
Nice to pick up a lot of freebies as well in familiar & friendly hunting grounds +good food.
Almost made me forget about Kiev. But Kiev still wins on the Beauty scale of its birds.
Replied to your Q in the London thread.
Lijoey is your guide on Amelia & Gloria in LondonAmelia. True pics, gorgeous, sexy Polish princess supermodel IMHO, great sex.
Gloria. Pics highly photoshopped, not the supermodel in the pics, but still attractive woman, good sex.
Use www.londonescortguide.com To find escorts that appeal, then take your chances. I've had mostly winners like Amelia.
(but watch out it&347; not all smooth sailing for example the new ERIKA@BABYLONGIRLS Agency and a few other agencies, looks great in pics but not as good in person. Then towards end of hour just as she saw I was going to get off while she was fucking me cowgilr, she jumped off and said time's up and tried to upsell for more time, the crudest example of an upsell I have yet encountered. Despite the pleas of my liljoey, I threw her ass out of there on principle. She's a witch. Stay away from her)
Its not all sunshine.
4 people ladies I was looking to meet today.
One relatives arrived.
Another no reply.
3rd tomorrow instead.
A double date for the evening that was guaranteed. Is now not so guaranteed.
Also a freebie was supposed to call but has not.
So I met one lady in Kreschatic for an hour coffee & sandwiche.
3 hours of fun coming now my way to occupy my time make up for this delayed day of cancellations.
Shit tomorrow I have 6 ladies to meet. & I can see the Thai interest will probably show up tomorrow evening.
Most likely the freebie will pitch up also!
Oh! & I got time in the afternoon for a fellow ISG lad! Priority one! Yes yes! I think I have to cancel a few dates.
I will report more once back home, but even a little report is better than nothing LOL.
It is my first time in Kiev, so. The city itself looks to me ugly, I have the feeling is going to to fall down, even Samara and Ufa seemed to me better, ok you can see in the streets some expensive cars, but despite this the feeling is a city very poor in the year 1950 or older.
However I am not here for the city.
It is enough to waling down the streets to see many nice girls with amazing long legs, but I am not here to just looking too.
Arena disco yesterday was almost empty till midnight, so we left for Rio where it is true there are some solid 8' but even many 6'. Overall Rio did not surprise me a lot, I expected higher quality of girls, many dance lazy, almost no smile, they are very professional.
I took a privat dance with the one who looked to me the more friendly and she looked herself in the mirror dancing, she did not get all naked and at least for 200 grivnas I understood her poor attitude.
I have the feeling is overpriced turistic rip off but however I was really horny so even if I got at my flat at 5:00 am I need sex.
Time to practice my Russian, so I called 4 numbers from top modals. 2 did not answer. 1 answer but she did no more work and another one agree to come.
In the street arrived 3 girls, none was the one of the foto, I took the best one a 6. 5', more than enough, but they wanted 150 grivnas for taxi, a total rip off I know but I was tired to argue so I paid.
In the flat she said 800 grivnas even if I showed her the ad with price of 600, she said or 800 or she leaves.
I said 800 ok but for what, she said only classic sex, no oral without and no anal and in the ad there was written obviously differently, so I said you can go, I paid nothing to her even if she wanted more 50 for taxi.
Overall a day to forget and BTW the prices here from entrance to Arena. 150 grivnas-13 euro, cocktail 75 grivnas-6 euro. 160 grivnas-14 euro for some food in supermarket, about 1. 000 grivnas-86 euro in Rio seem to me very expensive.
I am here with 2. 000 euro, I am not on budget, but for what city offers it is not cheap at all, especially considering.
Where we are.
If I was here alone, I think I'd leave in couple of days for FKK changing the return date of my fly ticket Kiev-munchen, but luckily I met with my buddy from Paris whom I have really fun, so let's see what the other days will bring.
I will report more once back home, but even a little report is better than nothing LOL.
It is my first time in Kiev, so. The city itself looks to me ugly, I have the feeling is going to to fall down, even Samara and Ufa seemed to me better, ok you can see in the streets some expensive cars, but despite this the feeling is a city very poor in the year 1950 or older.
However I am not here for the city.
It is enough to waling down the streets to see many nice girls with amazing long legs, but I am not here to just looking too.
Arena disco yesterday was almost empty till midnight, so we left for Rio where it is true there are some solid 8' but even many 6'. Overall Rio did not surprise me a lot, I expected higher quality of girls, many dance lazy, almost no smile, they are very professional.
I took a privat dance with the one who looked to me the more friendly and she looked herself in the mirror dancing, she did not get all naked and at least for 200 grivnas I understood her poor attitude.
I have the feeling is overpriced turistic rip off but however I was really horny so even if I got at my flat at 5:00 am I need sex.
Time to practice my Russian, so I called 4 numbers from top modals. 2 did not answer. 1 answer but she did no more work and another one agree to come.
In the street arrived 3 girls, none was the one of the foto, I took the best one a 6. 5', more than enough, but they wanted 150 grivnas for taxi, a total rip off I know but I was tired to argue so I paid.
In the flat she said 800 grivnas even if I showed her the ad with price of 600, she said or 800 or she leaves.
I said 800 ok but for what, she said only classic sex, no oral without and no anal and in the ad there was written obviously differently, so I said you can go, I paid nothing to her even if she wanted more 50 for taxi.
Overall a day to forget and BTW the prices here from entrance to Arena. 150 grivnas-13 euro, cocktail 75 grivnas-6 euro. 160 grivnas-14 euro for some food in supermarket, about 1. 000 grivnas-86 euro in Rio seem to me very expensive.
I am here with 2. 000 euro, I am not on budget, but for what city offers it is not cheap at all, especially considering.
Where we are.
If I was here alone, I think I'd leave in couple of days for FKK changing the return date of my fly ticket Kiev-munchen, but luckily I met with my buddy from Paris whom I have really fun, so let's see what the other days will bring. When you make the calls to top-modals late. In my experience less english speakers. & ealy morning lot less answering. Sometimes ladies say some Russian words, then hangup! However sometimes 30minutes later some annoyomous number calls you speaking english saying okay okay the! Lets make meet. So last night I have a return call. Alot of times I don't answer these random numbers. So it was another top-modal girl. I managed to find her profile, I was interest in inviting. After finding her name her profile & friend links. They work together these girls, I decided not to as she was asking 800 & her profile was actually 400. Its just a little experience getting used to the environment you know. I'm leaving very soon, though I've had some of my best times meeting fellow ISG lads. Having a few drinks, meeting a few girls, coffee lunch, talk some bullshit or business. & you don't need to feel like a cash card as being with certain women.
For Kiev experts, good club for Sunday night?
Thanks, it will follow report as usual :)
For Kiev experts, good club for Sunday night?
Thanks, it will follow report as usual. Dear Lukasek,
I read with surprise that although you have cash to burn and no budget issues, you did not spot something to arouse your interest at Rio. There are so many really beautiful girls there. So I can't understand, unless your standards are truly much higher than mine, and I am very picky indeed. The $300 price for take out is a rate of $100 / hour or the same 800 grivna you were prepared to pay for the top models girl who in the end would have given you poor service. There is an old saying,"Don't be penny wise, and dollar stupid." And it applies to this situation too. By looking to save your pennies and find the cheaper girl on top modals, you may end up being dollar stupid by wasting $100 on a girl not good looking and poor service. Sometimes it is better to shop in a quality store where crap is not tolerated. So I would encourage you to try again in Rio, get there early so you can possibly get a seat downstairs where I think the girls are better looking. Then go through the interview process with those that meet your qualifications in terms of beauty, do the private dance and see if there is chemistry and the girl let's you touch her and kiss her, and decide if she gets an invitation to accompany you home. If she says yes, you will probably have a night to remember. Review some past reports by myself and Tango9001. Downstairs there was a girl named Margarita who was a tall model type brunette, a clear 9+ or 10 who I didn't get a chance to speak to. There is Gloria upstairs who Tango had a great time with. Etc etc have a go at it, and don't go slumming or you might have many disappointments until you hit something good (read Mystery's past reports). I agree that it is easy and cheap to get laid by reasonably good looking girls in FKK-land, but you can have a much higher level of beauty in Kiev with not as much mileage as the FKK girls. Good luck and good hunting.
LJ
A case in point would be Gloria whose looks I also loved. Gloria is a really hot blond with awesome lines. Yanna's face is prettier, but Gloria's body is better, when one is judging between two awesome looking girls. I took Gloria for a private dance, she let me kiss her nipples and enjoyed it judging by the involuntary tremors in her body and the sounds she was making, but the romance fell apart for me when she said she doesn't enjoy receiving oral sex. What the fuck? What kind of female can't enjoy clitoral stimulation? In my mind what she was really saying is she doesn't let strangers get too familiar with her. It made me doubt she would kiss, give a good uncovered BJ, and in general not be generous in sex. I guess she likes getting banged though. Based on your description, she sounds like she's good in bed. How are her BJ skills, or did you plough right into her gorgeous pussy?Having contracted both chlamydia and gonorhea on several occasions from BBBJ several years ago, I no longer do it. I remember however, that most.if not all- of the girls offered it and I had to stop them and use a condom. I am just not sure if Gloria was one of them. I do remember that she enjoyed receiving oral though.
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