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My first comment on Moscow was on 06/17/07 and the last one was when I left the city on 07/15/10
Planning to spend few days in Moscow, I think the best option is to go to Toshkas. May someone tells me where are Toshkas today?
And what is the average price for a good looking girl?
ThanksMythomania is a severe mental disease. You should consult ASAP.
Toptraveler1
10-31-11, 17:53
Mythomania is a severe mental disease. You should consult ASAP.I told you I don't want to argue anymore. You see traveling does not make people more tolerant.
It is sad that my country is represented by a silly guy here.
First of all, sorry for my bad English I'm German and unfortunately we don't have such a great Forum in German. I'll be in Kiev from Wednesday on and I would like to know where are the best places to pick up girls. I did some research and I don't know if this is still up to date.
Stripclubs Rio & Mandarin: Lots of young ladies for about USD 300 for 2 h?
River Palace Boat: about 100 girls every night; USD 200 for 2 h and USD 300 for night?
Restaurants Seif, Buddha Bar, Decandance House: Models that want to be invited for dinner and then hope to get USD 500 for 2 h?
Discos Arena, Shooters, Avalon and Salminsky: Students and other girls but looking more for soemone going out and paying for shopping?
I tried mamba. Ru but it is a lot of work and most of them don't speak English or German. But the average girls just ask for about USD 30-40 each hour.
Any other suggestions?
Thanks
Monsieur, you are wrong. First of all western 'sex tourists' need visa to go to Russia and this is not the case for Ukraine and this is the reason why you see more 'sex tourists' in Kiev. But if they could go to Russia without visa application I am sure that many would go there. The second point is that Moscow is much bigger than Kiev so you may have the feeling that there are less sex workers in Moscow but this is not true. Finally the last point is that there are many girls who are obliged to work in very bad conditions especially girls from Russian far provinces, Ukraine and Moldavia who are completely under the control of their pimps in Moscow.
Your point is that russians as they have more money, are smart and good looking compared to ukrainians so they are more tolerant and Moscow is a safe place for foreign people. As you are French, just remember that a French guy has been killed in a horrible way just few months ago in Moscow and we never find the murderer even if authorities try to strangle the murder and this is just a mediatic exemple. So the unsafely is not just for so called 'economic refugees' in Moscow as you mention. You must know also that people you call 'economic refugees' are usually living in Moscow for decades!
http://www.parismatch.com/Actu-Match/Monde/Actu/Un-couple-franco-russe-sauvagement-tue-a-Moscou-90769/
Living in Paris I don't see hundred of thousand Russian tourists here as you say. I know even France is not on top of Russian favorite destinations as the favorites are Turkey, Egypt and China.
You say my posts revealed this or that. Please be more serious when you are searching comments. My first comment on Moscow was on 06/17/07, longtime before you even joined this forum and the last one was when I left the city on 07/15/10. So as you see I spent more than 3 years in Moscow. Saying this, I am not surprised that you declare so strange things about ukrainians and russians.
I think the second point is that as your posts show, since 2010 you have been in many cities and countries (Tashkent, Sao Paulo, Bucharest, Minsk, Paris, Rio, Tiraspol, Chisinau, Lugansk, Donetsk, Kiev, Moscow, Odessa, etc) so it is clear to me that you did not have enough time or a real opportunity to know Moscow or Kiev and the people who live there. I don't want to argue anymore as it seems to me you like things that you don't really know. Maybe this is your french side!
Bonne route!Hello, thanks for this message. I haver never been in Russia but several times in Ukraine and mainly due to this reason: Visa free. Can I get a visa for Rusia in the airpot there? Or do I have to manage this here in my city with all this complicate administartion? Thanks in advance for your assistance
Hello, thanks for this message. I haver never been in Russia but several times in Ukraine and mainly due to this reason: Visa free. Can I get a visa for Rusia in the airpot there? Or do I have to manage this here in my city with all this complicate administartion? Thanks in advance for your assistanceReally. You do not know. Only Russian Federation Consular Offices can issue a Visa for Russia. And you have to get an invitation too (may be only an hotel reservation).
It's very simple if you have no visa you will never get on a flight to Russia, nobody will issue you a Boarding Card, and if you have a self printed one you must put in the air company site your Passport number and your Visa number, and they will control all before you board any plane. Far simple, but for EU citizen, it's far simpler to get to the US.
If you do not have regular business visa (the "permanent", yearly one) , it's quite difficult to get for the first time to Russia with no tourist pacakge (at least an hotel, reserved and paid). And then you have the OVIR registration, more or less automatic and simple if living in an hotel. Not if you rent a house, and you might have alot of fun with Russian border officals if you try to get out with no registration.
IT.
PS It's still Russia.
Toptraveler1
10-31-11, 21:40
Hello, thanks for this message. I haver never been in Russia but several times in Ukraine and mainly due to this reason: Visa free. Can I get a visa for Rusia in the airpot there? Or do I have to manage this here in my city with all this complicate administartion? Thanks in advance for your assistanceYou need visa before going to Russia. It is usually easier to apply through a travel or visa agencies. They can get you invitation, insurance and visa. Of course they charge you more.
If you do not have regular business visa (the "permanent", yearly one) , it's quite difficult to get for the first time to Russia with no tourist pacakge (at least an hotel, reserved and paid). And then you have the OVIR registration, more or less automatic and simple if living in an hotel. Not if you rent a house, and you might have alot of fun with Russian border officals if you try to get out with no registration.
IT.
PS It's still Russia.I'm not going to do a long post on the Russian visa system, but yes you need a visa to go there for EU citizens and Americans. It's very easy to get a tourist visa though, and you don't need a hotel reservation. Tourist visas are for a maximum of 30 days. You also need to register which can be a pain if you're not staying in hotels (renting apartments instead) but recently the law was changed just this year to allow you up to 7 business days to register, so if you move around you basically never need to register (although as IT says you might still get hassled at the border on the way out –*although this very rare).
What this means is it's a huge advantage to go to Ukraine because you don't have to worry about all this crap (Belarus is basically the same as Russia in this regard). Other easier things in Ukraine are traveling by train (no passport) and buying a SIM card. Officially in Russia you have to have registration in the city you're buying a SIM card (so if you want to buy a card in Volgograd with a Volgograd area code you need a Volgograd registration). Ukraine has none of this kind of hassle. Just give them $5 and you get your SIM card.
These and other things really show how Ukraine is more tourist-friendly. It's also much, much cheaper for basically everything except pros (and still slightly cheaper for that). Food, accomodation, even train tickets are much cheaper than in Russia, even in the provinces of Russia. It's a much better destination for mongers than Russia, which is why I'm always surprised the Russian forum is on the first page here at ISG and not Ukraine. That's especially true for first-timers and newcomers who don't speak Russian/Ukrainian. I would recommend all of them to go to Ukraine over Russia, unless they have business in Russia or want to combine mongering with seeing some tourist sites.
As to this topic about danger I agree Ukraine is better than Russia, especially if you're non-white. The reason is Russia (Moscow mainly) has had a huge influx of people from Central Asia and the Caucasus to do menial jobs like construction. They tend to be non-white (asian or dark-caucasus looking). This has created a real underclass in Moscow. The reason Prosal can say one thing and others another is that this underclass you would never meet at a club. They even avoid the metro. So racism is alive and well while at the same time you can meet beautiful Russian people who are educated and well-traveled. This is not a knock, New York and Paris have similar issues.
This is not theoretical. I have had three black friends living in Russia. One of them is "Russian" as far as Americans would be concerned; he was born in Russia to an African father (who left) and a Russian mother. He's never left Russia and speaks no language but Russian. In America he would be "American" (like Obama) but in Russia like in most of Europe he will never be considered part of the nationality with a shared historical and geneological heritage. In 2010 he was badly beaten up at Chistie Prudi and put in the hospital for several weeks with many broken bones.
I have another friend from Trinidad who was spit on in Boarhouse (now Chesterfields) which is a very foreigner-friendly establishment (or used to be at least). The group of Russians who spit on him were next to us and wanted to fight. The manager came over and asked us to leave, and while he was sympathetic to us he said he didn't want any trouble so it was in everyone's interest if the black guy left the bar. We of course all left with him.
The closest thing in Ukraine is the venom against gypsies (Tsygani) especially in Western Ukraine. There is rampant racism against gypsies in Ukraine. If you look kind of mulatto this could really work against you especially in the provinces. You'd be better off to be very black than mulatto in Ukraine for this reason. Latin/SA is also a great look, I've seen some Spaniards and Brazilians clean up in Shooters.
First of all, sorry for my bad English I'm German and unfortunately we don't have such a great Forum in German. I'll be in Kiev from Wednesday on and I would like to know where are the best places to pick up girls. I did some research and I don't know if this is still up to date.
Stripclubs Rio & Mandarin: Lots of young ladies for about USD 300 for 2 h?
River Palace Boat: about 100 girls every night; USD 200 for 2 h and USD 300 for night?
Restaurants Seif, Buddha Bar, Decandance House: Models that want to be invited for dinner and then hope to get USD 500 for 2 h?
Discos Arena, Shooters, Avalon and Salminsky: Students and other girls but looking more for soemone going out and paying for shopping?
I tried mamba. Ru but it is a lot of work and most of them don't speak English or German. But the average girls just ask for about USD 30-40 each hour.
Any other suggestions?
Thanks30-40$$ Take me to your leader! & I hope she's spicy =)
This either tells me I'm getting old or I'm getting to used to looking at this forum.
If we knock off $10's we could get good rates to time in the Congo.
This is fishing for cheap rates which will only exist if you are a hardcore experienced player on the floor in your domain. & you're looking at making concessions, or monthly rates.
Freebies are in the clubs if you style or game. Mama Mia meaty Pizza. 2 potatoes, lasanga, chicken wings. 250 grn.
It is sad that my country is represented by a silly guy here.After being caught red-handed of mythomania, you shouldn't post any more, you're only making a fool of yourself more and more.
Reading your past posts, you've never been to Russia.
I did some research and I don't know if this is still up to date.
River Palace Boat: about 100 girls every night; USD 200 for 2 h and USD 300 for night?River Palace no longer there.
Moved on several months ago when the new government came into office.
Pictures of you leaning on Lamborghini's just looks try hard and will raise suspicions (the girl would wonder why you're in a cheap apartment somewhere in deepest Udmurtia and not Cannes. They already wonder WTF we are doing in these towns as it is ). The best photos are not fake or set up but just of you with your friends having a good time. It immediately gives you the social proof that you're lacking as a lone traveller. You with some good looking women would be good too. Also photos in cool locations so that you can use that to tell her a story about it which will raise your value. You should have a photo of your place of residence too, however not just a picture of your house by itself, that will look try hard. Instead have a picture of you sitting on your sofa (if you have a nice living room) looking good. That way the house is kind of incidental, however she will study it carefully and know that you are a man of quality and that she would feel comfortable visiting you there should you be kind enough to invite her one day (this would be a good picture to use the Latexian kiss strategy I would think ). I also have a couple of pictures in the file that have no value at all to the narrative (I. E out of focus shots, random picture of someone with half their head cropped off) again this just allays any suspicions that I'm bragging or being try hard and just makes the photo file look like any other file people would have on their laptop. This is quite important.
Indeed. But this is not that the girls will see you as a big fat wallett, but as someone correspondingly well-groomed they want to hang out with, have some fun with, and worth to have an adventure with.Before this topic drifts away one shouldn't overlook the attraction of a decent hotel room to girls in some of these provincial cities.
A lot of young and not-so young ladies will never have been inside one in the centre of their own city or any other for that matter and have a curiosity about what goes on there and the perceived glamour therein.
Or even sometimes an apartment in the city centre, on or near the main street, will be a charm for someone brought up and living in the Kommunalkas, especially if they have a young child at home and little prospect of upward mobility.
That's been my occasional experience anyway...
Member #4274
11-01-11, 07:22
River Palace no longer there.
Moved on several months ago when the new government came into office.Its very true, River Palace closed at the end of July in 2010. I know this as I was in Kyiv at the time and was fortunate enough to have gone to RP five or six times before it surprisingly was shut down. A real shame. However, I have heard on numerous occassions that a new location was to open for this bordello but it has yet to happen. I am actually quite surprised it has not as RP was quite popular from what I witnessed, anyway.
Note: Having had such a great time during my recent trips to Kiev, I am currently in the process of considering another trip to Kiev, (to include a stopover on the way back home either at an FKK in Vienna or Frankfurt) for the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday weekend November 24 – 28.
LJThanks for the great report LJ. Very informative, I wish you would have put this out before I made my first trip! I will be coming back while you're there, I hope we can meeet up.
Before this topic drifts away one shouldn't overlook the attraction of a decent hotel room to girls in some of these provincial cities.
A lot of young and not-so young ladies will never have been inside one in the centre of their own city or any other for that matter and have a curiosity about what goes on there and the perceived glamour therein.
Or even sometimes an apartment in the city centre, on or near the main street, will be a charm for someone brought up and living in the Kommunalkas, especially if they have a young child at home and little prospect of upward mobility.
That's been my occasional experience anyway.Very good point. I once had a girl in a provincial city I had taken to dinner ask me what the inside of the hotel looked like in her city. Talk about an easy way to get a girl upstairs.
I'm not going to do a long post on the Russian visa system, but yes you need a visa to go there for EU citizens and Americans. It's very easy to get a tourist visa though, and you don't need a hotel reservation. Tourist visas are for a maximum of 30 days. You also need to register which can be a pain if you're not staying in hotels (renting apartments instead) but recently the law was changed just this year to allow you up to 7 business days to register, so if you move around you basically never need to register (although as IT says you might still get hassled at the border on the way out –*although this very rare).First there is no way (if you do not have a CIS passport) to get from UA to Russian Federation without a visa, nor by train / bus / flight.
I can say for my experience, I'm a one lucky few holder of a permanent (180 days maximum. 90 days in row, unlimted entry, unlimited travel, renovated almost automatically every year) Russian visa valid for almost all the country (not Chechnya) and the visa got me out of trouble several times in the past years with the police. They, if you ask them for a shop address, or a metro station, can and tend to be very friendly, and normally would start a chit chat where you are from and so on.
What I am meaning is that a normal guy never been to Russia, and not speaking (or reading) a word will feel like a big pain in the ass going thought all procedures: invitation, visa, insurance, travel, getting to a hotel (with Moscow taxis. But there is the train and the metro too today) etc etc.
The Russian visa rules are changing as fast as they are rechanging. The border authorities tend to 'use' the most limitative version, independently if a newer, more open one, is out.
Going as self standing tourist is in fact simple, (Moscow, Petersburg or major cities). The pain gets out if you want to wonder or if your landlord do not register you.
If in the Visa application, for instance, Kazan in not mentioned (in a tourist visa, or in a visa for 'invited' guests, like those sometimes provided by landlords) in an express way you will never be able to buy a train or flight ticket from Moscow to Kazan. The OVIR registration (we all still cal it so but it's carried out by the police since the end of 2004) , if done by yourself, is a pain in the ass, so I tend always to go to hotels in Russia. By the way the rules are very controvert.
Before (up to April 11, 2011) you have to register within 72 hours after your arrival (the travel document proof the arrival and the passport stamps too) not excluding weekends, but Sundays and public holidays only. Now the term is up to 7 days. On ground all hotels (even in the enormous Taiga) carry out this process almost in real time, giving you a numbered recipe, if the police stops you without a registration may be after 4-5 days you got in. It may be. Lest say not a fun, especially if you are not in a group of tourists in Moscow and you look suspect. What I mean with "look suspect" any one who is almost everyone not white and light hair coloured.
Theoretically you could go to Moscow and stay 3 days, and then go home without registering. Generally it's wrong. Because the laws gives you a maximum time to reregister in Russia, but registering is mandatory even for Russians. In practice you should register every time you get in / out and hotel even if you sleep on night or you change city. That is the simplest way to get no problems and no hassles.
Just my two cents since some experience.
IT.
PS these guys gives a quite good, not perfect in my opinion, photo of how the situation is.
http://www.waytorussia.net/RussianVisa/Registration.html
My advice is to register ASAP (it's the first thing I do when arrived). Once I did not (was in the 72 hours but did a City, address and a Republic change inside the federation, from Russia to Tatarstan) and had registration problems. Got fined (with a proper receipt) at Kazan airport.
MONGERS SOLUTION:
In my travels, I usually rent a hotel room for two (king bed) , present my self, ad say there is a delay. Usually the price difference is simply the breakfast. Get my night toy. Register her and do what I want!
. The idea is just to portray your life in the best possible light whilst discretely glossing over the mundane and the negatives.Seconded. It always helps to talk about your life, your experience, the places you've visited, ect. No need to brag with all that, though. Just easily, casually throw some countries and places into your discussion when you talk to a girl. Mention some stories that happened to you in different places, and so on. Most girls haven't traveled much, and it impresses them tremendously if you show them that you have. The initial caution due to age difference turns to curiousity and then to fascination as most of the girls warm up to the idea of an experienced boyfriend or lover. Nonetheless I always keep in mind that they also have things to teach me. Their cultural knowledge is often astounding (thanks to the Russian "rote learning" system) , especially when it comes to literature, and they feel flattered if you ask questions and have interest in what they know.
First of all, sorry for my bad English I'm German and unfortunately we don't have such a great Forum in German. I'll be in Kiev from Wednesday on and I would like to know where are the best places to pick up girls. I did some research and I don't know if this is still up to date.
Stripclubs Rio & Mandarin: Lots of young ladies for about USD 300 for 2 h?
River Palace Boat: about 100 girls every night; USD 200 for 2 h and USD 300 for night?
Restaurants Seif, Buddha Bar, Decandance House: Models that want to be invited for dinner and then hope to get USD 500 for 2 h?
Discos Arena, Shooters, Avalon and Salminsky: Students and other girls but looking more for soemone going out and paying for shopping?
I tried mamba. Ru but it is a lot of work and most of them don't speak English or German. But the average girls just ask for about USD 30-40 each hour.
Any other suggestions?
ThanksDear Kirch,
You claim to have done research before posting your questions. Did your research perhaps include this very thread as recently as the day before your post? I doubt it. If it had, you surely would have encountered the post I made the day before on October 30, which contained links to my prior posts in which the answers to your questions, and much more other relevant information would have been at your disposal.
Here is the link:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1211994&viewfull=1#post1211994
Go and start reading. You need to not be lazy and to read this thread going back as many months as you can, preferably back until at least March. I have taken pains and invested much effort in providing as up to date and detailed information as I could on the p4p options in Kiev for this thread, in order to spoon feed this information to newbies.
But what can I do if the baby will not take the spoon in its mouth?
I have focussed on the p4p options, more than the nightclub freebie scene, but the freebie scene in the nightclubs has also been covered in the thread.
As Gergiev recently wrote to you, River Palace does not exist anymore since last year. The girls have gone to Moscow, and those that stayed in Kiev can be found in places like Buddha Bar after 11pm or 12 midnite, or in other nightclubs. Neither does strip club Mandarin exist anymore (although managers at Rio have been speaking of its re-opening "soon" all this year).
Nightclub girls (the really hot ones) have been asking $400 or $500 for an hour, which can sometimes be negotiated down to the same price for two hours, or for a lesser amount for one hour, depending on your mongering skills and how hard up they are for your cash. Some have reported negotiating with a nightclub girl down to $200 USD for two hours, but I don't know what that girl looks like. It's the same process as used to exist at the River Palace, where the less fabulous looking girls would compromise on their price as the night wore on more easily than the really hot girls would do so.
At Rio the girls are younger than most were at River Palace and to my mind there are many more very hot young girls at Rio. The price at Rio is $300 USD for three hours. If you want more hours or the whole night, you will need to pay more. I have been asked for $400 for the night (I. E. Until 5am) , and for more cash for staying more hours than 5am. I have also succeeded in having some girls stay more than three hours, and even for the night for the original $300. The girls usually want to get back to the club by 5am closing to collect their money, so unless you succeed in getting the girl to agree to stay longer, that is the default end-time of the all night date for a girl from Rio. The same rates apply to the sister club of Rio, which is called Paradise, and is located about a 30 -- 40 minute taxi ride from the downtown Kiev center area. The same girls who dance at Rio, rotate to go dance at Paradise.
The mamba. Ru prices you mentioned are not accurate. Currently on mamba. Ru the prices being asked will vary between 400 UAH ($50 USD) , to 600 UAH ($75 USD) , to 800 UAH ($100 USD) , and some hotties on mamba. Ru have even asked for $200 USD or $300 USD. I have also received responses on mamba. Ru asking for 300 UAH ($37. 50 USD) but such a low price is usually for an erotic massage, rather than full sex including oral and classic. So clarify the services included when being quoted such low prices. And if such a low price is for full sex, seriously watch out for what the woman might look like, and don't be surprised if she is older, fat or ugly. Now it is also true that a very plain or ugly girl might also show up to your door from mamba. Ru who had asked a higher price too. This is why using mamba. Ru is a gamble and time consuming, because most guys will send away an unappealing looking girl. However, many guys report having gotten a nice looking girl finally, after several tries with mamba. Ru, including myself, so it is worth trying.
Such low prices of $100 USD / hr or less are also advertised on top-modals. Com, as well as other internet sites, with the same caveats about what type of girl will actually show up. In fact one can see a number of girls from mamba. Ru also advertising their pictures on top-modals. Com. Although on top-modals. Com there is a filter for "real photo", none of us is quite sure it can still be relied on. I have gotten two girls, who have since become my regulars, off of top-modals. Com website last year in 2010, who did use real photos of themselves, and still do in their ads on top-modals. Com and on mamba. Ru. But the current predomination on top-modals. Com of what is clearly ads put in by agencies, makes it more likely that they are lying when they say "real photo" for their girls, and the agency will send you whoever is available.
Yes, most of the girls do not speak English, and less speak German. But the language barrier need not be an insurmountable challenge. Speak to the girl who answers the phone for an agency that might speak English, and communicate your desires to her (she will claim to be the girl that is coming, but this is bullshit) , and request that the girl that is coming be instructed as to what was agreed beforehand. When the girl arrives, if you like her appearance and are going to keep her, use some simple Russian phrases that you may have learned to make an attempt at being charming, and greet her, tell her your name, ask hers, offer her a drink, and use sign language for the rest (I. E. To indicate where the shower is, and give her a clean towel, etc.) She knows the rest and has done this before. Conversation is really not so important. Likely, with you showered and laying in bed with her, she will begin to fondle your "shfantz" and try to get it hard enough to put on a condom, and proceed to give you oral sex, which, after a short time, she will simply stop and expect you to fuck her. That's what's generally included in a standard session. A short covered BJ and classic sex. If you want more, you need to speak this out with the girl who answers the phone, and hope it was communicated to the girl who comes. A last resort might be that you have to call her agency phone girl and ask her to tell the girl what you want regarding services in the middle of your session. If you want to try to get a GFE experience with the girl, and you would keep her more than the hour, it might be worth it to waste some time on trying to communicate and achieve a nice rapport with her, so then use your laptop computer and Google Translate to type messages back and forth, or to speak to her, in Russian.
For language issues you are concerned about, the suggestion I made concerning going to visit brothels or girl apartments, is applicable to the situation of a girl who comes to your apartment that only speaks Russian also, namely, prepare in advance, using Google Translate, a written list of questions or statements you can anticipate wanting to state or ask to a girl, in connection with her services and what you want, formulated for a yes or no response. Then you can simply point to a question on your list, have her read it in Russian, and shake her head yes or no, or she can say "Da" or "Nyet", which I assume you know what that means. For example, if you want to ask her,"Will you give me an uncovered blow job (Naturfranzösisch)?") [In Russian this is "Miniet bez preservativa"]. You can simply point to the written question on your printed out sheet, and she will understand exactly what you want. You can anticipate her probably saying "no". And if you anticipate you might want to follow up with other questions like,"Will you give uncovered oral sex for additional money?" or "how much additional money do you want for giving an uncovered blow job?", then simply prepare all your questions translated into Russian in advance.
Add D'lux to your list of nightclubs you want to check out, as it is one of the latest popular hot clubs in town.
Read all my earlier posts. Don't be lazy. In fact read this thread going back to March. Some of it is entertaining. Some is informative. Make notes (copy / paste what seems like good info into a document you can review and refer to later).
And you're good to go.
LJ
Dear Kirch,
Read all my earlier posts. Don't be lazy. In fact read this thread going back to March. Some of it is entertaining. Some is informative. Make notes (copy / paste what seems like good info into a document you can review and refer to later).
And you're good to go.
LJYes from my many months of reviewing & being entertained on this forum. There are 4-7 guys that come up with great reports & details that can serve you well. LJ, Irish, Prosal, Travel, etc, some post more than others but check their past reports. They will serve you well ESPECIALLY if you are coming for a few days & thats the end of that. Its not hard to meet women, again its not hard to fail on a night out for improper attitude, you can fail because some will leech you till the end & catch a taxi home for 1 example. Which is so common world wide. With field time, understanding, & good advice, lets add good company with friends or fellow ISG lads. Things can get really entertaining. Recently I met 2 fellas here hit Rio for some drinks. We hit a club after. Met some girls before Rio, Immy was meeting his lady, I met mine around the same time we co-ordinated. His gal brought a translator as she could not speak english. My gal brought a translator as she could not speak english (though online she could). In the end of the coffee date 1 hour to 2 hours. We parted company from the girls. I had enough nothing was going to happen today with these ladies. Then we met frenchy (I don't know your aka here pm me for the future). We left to the Rio, great time we had talking drinking, watching the show, some hotties but not many 10's or 9' on the Saturday did I see, upstairs. British Stag party & a turkish convention there it seemed. We got a table 100 grn to the manager compliments to LJ knowledge. Clubbing later I picked up a few numbers. 2 girls I'm meeting later this week. One for pizza (again!) & wine at my place. She's bringing her friend great. The other to assist me with Russian, & she's a good girl. Regarding the coffee date, I'm Skyping with the translator of my meet girl with Immy. & She wants to be sponsored, weekend she says she can come around. Back to the night out I returned home at 8am or something, got "room service" from Top Modals & had a pretty good session with some big tits & tattoos. Think of your short term or long term plan. Rio is great if you here for a few days & have a little cash. Top Modals or whatever site can be fun. I've met 4 people from the "pay & go" net since this arrival. & unlike my first trip. I have been content with all encounters physically & sexually. Again I have been here for months & confidence is growing. Competance more so thanks to experience & time, & of course the forum.
These and other things really show how Ukraine is more tourist-friendly.Better travel there before the fucking football world cup next summer, which will spoil (durably I guess) all the scene.
@Liljoey and Mystery and the others: thank you for the really great help! I'm not lazy. But sometimes it's a pain in the ass to go back page and page to find something helpful. Last time I have been to Kiev is about 1. 5 years ago and I tried only River Boat and the really great club Duplex. But at this Club it's the same as in Cavalli (Fairmont Hotel) in Dubai. Sometimes you talk to the wrong girl and get a clap in the face. Speaking of Dubai, I've just come back from there and for me it's like heaven. (Almost) all of the girls speak English and they take about USD 300 for entire night (they love to sleep at your place). And I'm talking about really hot ones! Best place for this is still the Premiere at the Hyatt Regency.
So you are totally right in regards to mamba. It's almost always a waste of time. So I'll try top. Modals.
And I think. Being 6 days in Kiev and staying near Maydan. Rio is the right choice for me.
But I'll check the reports of Liljoey, may be I'll find something new.
And about your Russia vs. Ukraine posts. Let me say something: 1998 to 2008 I've been to Moscow and Petersberg many many times. I had a lot of "girl friends" there and in Germany my last 4 girls friends are originally from Russia. They get more and more spoiled. It's not funny anymore. If you want to go to Russia you have to got to the small cities. But they don't speak English.
Ukraine. For me. Is totally different! My opinion is that they are not so spoiled and nicer. In Dubai I have no Russians at all, only from Ukraine and other CIS countries! Same in Germany and believe me we are spoiled here in regards to CIS girls.
And last but not least the most important notice: I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT REALLY HOT GIRLS from 21 to 27. My opinion: best age is between 24 and 27. Because they have a child at home and are more down to earth.
Spacibo why paka
However, I have heard on numerous occassions that a new location was to open for this bordello but it has yet to happen. I am actually quite surprised it has not as RP was quite popular from what I witnessed, anyway.CB,
It wasn't a matter of business solvency or popularity for River Palace.
The incoming government of Yanukovich made it known that a dim view was taken of RP and its activities.
Decadent western style behaviour, portraying Ukraine in a bad light, running sex tourists out of town, etc, etc.
Would surprise no one of course if it or a new boat arrived in the same or different location with the requisite "connections" to resume business.
As you say, there have been some rumours of a return but, so far, no cigar.
VG
Member #4243
11-02-11, 00:33
Apart from Rio and paradise what other strip clubs in Kiev offer the same take out a girl service. Also are their prices similar to Rio / paradise and level of girl beauty? Is there any specific reason why someone would take a 30min cab ride to paradise if the dancers.
Are of the same rotation as in Rio and if not who is the paradise club aimed at? Thanks alot mohab as a side note are their any 100% girl friendly hotel in Kiev or is it always wiser to go with a quality appartment in this game? Thanks again
Apart from Rio and paradise what other strip clubs in Kiev offer the same take out a girl service. Also are their prices similar to Rio / paradise and level of girl beauty? Is there any specific reason why someone would take a 30min cab ride to paradise if the dancers.
Are of the same rotation as in Rio and if not who is the paradise club aimed at? Thanks alot mohab as a side note are their any 100% girl friendly hotel in Kiev or is it always wiser to go with a quality appartment in this game? Thanks againAfter trying Paradise once I had decided that there was no reason to travel so far from my apartment for the same girls as I could see in Rio. Paradise is a much smaller club with only three poles and one stage. A new girl comes out on stage to the 1st pole at each song and the 3rd girl goes backstage. The private dance rooms I was taken to are downstairs and not as private as at Rio, but since it is a small club and it is unlikely that someone else will be doing a private dance at the same time as you, so the lack of complete privacy for the private dance won't matter as you are virtually alone downstairs at the time anyway. The only reason for my recent visit to Paradise was because the Rio club was so short-staffed the Saturday night of my visit, that there was a 'dances only' policy in effect and no take out was being permitted at Rio that night. So the manager of the VIP offered to have me taken over to Paradise in the Rio club's limo at no charge. The line up that night at Paradise had some very good girls. I later saw the entire line up I had seen dancing at Paradise, when I returned to Kiev 2 weeks later, all dancing at Rio. Therefore, the only reason I can think of for one to go to Paradise, is if you don't find what you want in any of the rooms in Rio, and / or a manager tells you that a specific girl that you really want is working that night at Paradise. I wonder if in that circumstance, the manager could arrange for that specific girl to be brought from Paradise to you at Rio upon your request to take her out, presuming you and the girl already are acquainted and she would agree, in order to save you the trip.
I just answered the question about the prices in my last post responding to Kirch.
Regarding your question about other strip clubs having take out, look up prior posts by TheKnight on this thread, as I remember he had posted about the situation in all the other strip clubs he had visited. However, after reading what he wrote, that in the other clubs the price for take out was higher than at Rio, I decided to stay at Rio, based on price factor, as I was satisfied with the level of looks of the girls. But this is an area that could use more research and reporting on, if you feel motivated to branch out and check on what is currently possible at the other strip clubs. But read what TheKnight posted first.
There are girl friendly hotels, but it is still better to go with an apartment because you can get more space and nicer accomodations for much less money in an apartment than in a hotel in Kiev. The apartments I have booked were 1 Bedroom apartments in the $110. $135 a night range, which were always new and modern and in nice buildings and areas downtown. I had an apartment with a far more spacious bedroom, living room and full kitchen, with a very nice bathroom, sometimes with jacuzzi, than I could ever hope to have in a hotel room, especially at hotels in Kiev. Yes, there are cheaper apartments for much less money, but I was happy to pay a litle over $100 a night for a luxury accomodation that truly blows away what I could get at a hotel. I also had much more freedom and flexibility and above all privacy to invite whomever I wanted over to my apartment and had to answer to no one, which is not the case in a hotel. As to which hotels are girl friendly, you must read the thread, as it has been commented on before. Since I have only rented apartments, I can only report what I know about.
LJ
Member #4243
11-02-11, 03:58
Thanks for great info and insight. Having done 7 german fkk trips I have been searching and searching for an alternative and with the beauty of the Rio girls coupled with dirt cheap whizz air flights from the uk Kiev is starting to emerge as the winner. I have a few
Months yet of saving but it is looking good as I think the city would be a great change for me to frankfurt. A strange question but can you or do you know of any public / cheap hotel thermal / turkish baths for wellness. Even after a short flight and lack of sleep I find a dip into a
Hot pool or sauna a great way to neutralise tiredness? Thanks mohab
Thanks for great info and insight. Having done 7 german fkk trips I have been searching and searching for an alternative and with the beauty of the Rio girls coupled with dirt cheap whizz air flights from the uk Kiev is starting to emerge as the winner. I have a few
Months yet of saving but it is looking good as I think the city would be a great change for me to frankfurt. A strange question but can you or do you know of any public / cheap hotel thermal / turkish baths for wellness. Even after a short flight and lack of sleep I find a dip into a
Hot pool or sauna a great way to neutralise tiredness? Thanks mohabI haven't done it yet, but I have encountered websites advertising sauna in Kiev, that have the added feature of a girl's company possible while there. So apparently there are sauna clubs in Kiev. Don't know if they are equivalent to what you have in mind by "turkish baths for wellness" though.
Have a look at links such as the following, which is untested by me and therefore I have no way of recommending for or against it:
http://promokashki.com/en/sauny/
Additionally, I noticed the sauna date reference at gia-escort's website too. see:
http://gia-escort.com/packages/package6
Perhaps doing the sauna thing with a girl from Gia is less of a risk, than doing it with other agencies. Gia is more of a known factor in the Kiev escort scene, and is regarded as reliable with true photos of the models. although i consider them a little too expensive at $180 for 1 hour appointments, their prices approximate Rio's prices of $300 when you are considering a three hour booking. I haven't found the looks of most of their models to be as appealing as the girls i saw at Rio, so I haven't tried any Gia girls yet. The advantage at Gia over Rio might be in the area of guaranteed GFE services, as each girls services are set forth clearly and known in advance, and what reports I've seen say they deliver as promised.
I don't have any comprehensive listing of links for you, but perhaps another member will respond to you with some suggestions. Meanwhile, search this forum for reports on the topic and do some internet searching yourself to see if you can find other listings.
And if you decide to try any of these businesses, then be sure to report on it.
BTW, you don't have to give up on fkk's, since I believe there are cheap flights on easyjet. Com between london and cologne, germany, and there are cheap flights on wizzair. Com between Kiev zhulyany airport (IEV) and cologne, germany. And as you may know there are a number of fkk options in the cologne area, as well as the option of hopping on a train from cologne to frankfurt which is a relatively short and inexpensive ride. So if you like the fkk experience as much as I do, it is an easy thing for you to make an fkk stop on your way home from Kiev to top off your sex vacation. I have found that combining Kiev with an fkk visit on the way home to be a good combo, and you chaps in the uk can do it far more cheaply than I can.
LJ
Prosal,
Thanks for the great tip. I have studied Russian a little and also believe I am well aware of Slavic culture but have not put it into good use. So I'll try.Learn to recite those words written by Ivan Turgenev ("First Love") , it opens beautiful long legs.
"Oh, sweet emotions, gentle harmony, goodness and peace of the softened heart, melting bliss of the first raptures of love, where are they, where are they?"
(wink)
DoctorOral
11-02-11, 21:12
Is this stuff real? http://seks-v-odnoklassnikah.org/my/friends/add/729019
I just got back from Rio. It's Wenesday and half past midnight. I hope I visited the right one, not far from the German Amabassy right next to a big church. Big lights outside and you have to go up to the first floor and there is a small bar. 3 girls there. So I wanted to go further wehere the tables are and I just took a look. Only some more gilrs there. What about the reports there are up to 100 girls? Ok, I'm a little bit drunk but is there another area I didn't see?
. friendly hotels, but it is still better to go with an apartment because you can get more space and nicer accomodations for much less money in an apartment than in a hotel in Kiev. The apartments I have booked were 1 Bedroom apartments in the $110. $135 a night range, which were always new and modern and in nice buildings and areas downtown. I had an apartment with a far more spacious bedroom, living room and full kitchen, with a very nice bathroom, sometimes with jacuzzi, than I could ever hope to have in a hotel room, especially at hotels in Kiev. Yes, there are cheaper apartments for much less money, but I was happy to pay a litle over $100 a night for a luxury accomodation that truly blows away what I could get at a hotel. I also had much more freedom and flexibility and above all privacy to invite whomever I wanted over to my apartment and had to answer to no one, which is not the case in a hotel. As to which hotels are girl friendly, you must read the thread, as it has been commented on before. Since I have only rented apartments, I can only report what I know about.When looking for a hotel room in Kiev on the web they all seem more expensive than the many apartment-rentals. I have up till now always opted for apartment, around $100 is mostly decent studio apartment in the center, maybe sometimes without a lift. The girls also seem to like this better, especially if staying more than an hour. They complain that hotel rooms are so small, and in apartment you can offer them cold beer and stuff to eat. The only problem I can remember is keeping the sheets in bed decent. And clean towels are sometimes a problem. If money is no issue for someone, there are hotel-suites with extensive service to have. It would be interesting if someone could recommend a decent hotel with decent prices.
I haven't done it yet, but I have encountered websites advertising sauna in Kiev, that have the added feature of a girl's company possible while there. So apparently there are sauna clubs in Kiev. Don't know if they are equivalent to what you have in mind by "turkish baths for wellness" though.
Have a look at links such as the following, which is untested by me and therefore I have no way of recommending for or against it:
http://promokashki.com/en/sauny/
Additionally, I noticed the sauna date reference at gia-escort's website too. See:
http://gia-escort.com/packages/package6
Perhaps doing the sauna thing with a girl from Gia is less of a risk, than doing it with other agencies. Gia is more of a known factor in the Kiev escort scene, and is regarded as reliable with true photos of the models. Although I consider them a little too expensive at $180 for 1 hour appointments, their prices approximate Rio's prices of $300 when you are considering a three hour booking. I haven't found the looks of most of their models to be as appealing as the girls I saw at Rio, so I haven't tried any Gia girls yet. The advantage at Gia over Rio might be in the area of guaranteed GFE services, as each girls services are set forth clearly and known in advance, and what reports I've seen say they deliver as promised.
I don't have any comprehensive listing of links for you, but perhaps another member will respond to you with some suggestions. Meanwhile, search this forum for reports on the topic and do some internet searching yourself to see if you can find other listings.
And if you decide to try any of these businesses, then be sure to report on it.
BTW, you don't have to give up on fkk's, since I believe there are cheap flights on easyjet. Com between london and cologne, germany, and there are cheap flights on wizzair. Com between Kiev zhulyany airport (IEV) and cologne, germany. And as you may know there are a number of fkk options in the cologne area, as well as the option of hopping on a train from cologne to frankfurt which is a relatively short and inexpensive ride. So if you like the fkk experience as much as I do, it is an easy thing for you to make an fkk stop on your way home from Kiev to top off your sex vacation. I have found that combining Kiev with an fkk visit on the way home to be a good combo, and you chaps in the uk can do it far more cheaply than I can.
LJI have mentioned this here before, but a former RP girl told me that there is a cottage with sauna in the outskirts of Kiev where you can stay overnight for only about 15 USD. Let us know if anybody finds out about this.
Learn to recite those words written by Ivan Turgenev ("First Love") , it opens beautiful long legs.
"Oh, sweet emotions, gentle harmony, goodness and peace of the softened heart, melting bliss of the first raptures of love, where are they, where are they?"
(wink) That's a good one, prosal!
Girls are typically impressed when I mention that I have been to Staraya Russa in Russia, where Dostoevsky wrote 3 of his 5 long novels and where The Brothers Karamazov is set.
Sorbonne doesn't just mean Sore Bone. It also means education (wink).
CallSign Papa
11-03-11, 11:54
Is this stuff real?
http://seks-v-odnoklassnikah.org/my/friends/add/729019Nope. Mamba is the closest thing you'll find to a real AFF in Ukraine.
nope. mamba is the closest thing you'll find to a real aff in ukraine.the correct name in the ua version is flirt. com. ua.
but the database is the same as mamba, no difference at all.
may be 50% of pics are face, but you can find nice, real, naive young girls ready for anything.
most of my meetings in ua was on ground of good homework on flirt, some no shows, some bad drills, but some amazing. look even for girl not looking directly for sex. you might discover a non pro in need for some extra casch, or even somebody wantig to get out for free, nice restaurant is a must, and then you get her for dessert!
some things to mind.
1. may be what shows up is not what you have seen. but take a look.
2. be aware, there are **** girls! danger.
3. be aware, there are even shemales, and young travestites! danger.
4. do not overpay them unless they are goddess.
5. most of the "model" style photo are fakes. go to naive ones.
6. look carefully at what they write, what thy like and dislike.
i have no idea if she is real, and i'm not pimping, but if anyone gets her to bed and she is as in picture please pm me and i'll jump on the next flight to kbp!
it
CityHunter77
11-03-11, 14:52
2 blondes to add to the list.
Aila, a 7-8. Nice rack and available for takeout.
Sannya, just started working last weekend probably a 9. 5, but no takeout unfortunately.
LJ is it possible to rate the girls in looks, performance, GFE and takeout availability.
I'm sure other members can fill in the blanks.
THE RIO LINE-UP AS OF OCTOBER 2011[/U]
Putting together my observations and notes made in recent trips the following girls are the ones I took note of that I felt the majority of men would deem to be between 8's to 10's, and so worth future visitors taking a look at. I tried to list them in the order of beauty, with the most desireable within each category at the top of the list in that category. The descriptions of these girls are in the body of this report and the report for my October 10. 16 visit to Kiev. Lamentably, I don't have the encyclopedic memory of a Basketcase who used to post on the Frankfurt FKK threads, but perhaps other writers can take this list and embellish it with additional favorites, or information about each girl's services. This is a preliminary effort. It is pointless to record where I saw the particular girl, whether in VIP, or in upstairs or downstairs room, or in Paradise club, because the girls rotate around the various rooms and between the clubs. However, ultimately one will let one's own eyes be the first guide as to which girls to be interested in.
A list like this may prove helpful, because if one doesn't see anything interesting, after sitting for a while, instead of waiting for the whole line up to complete its dance shift, one may choose to short-cut the process and ask a manager to point out a particular girl from the list or to invite her to one's table for a chat, and if you fancy more, then you can go on to a private dance or a drink, BUT IT SHOULD GO WITHOUT SAYING THAT THE EXISTENCE OF A LIST CONTAINING INFORMATION ABOUT THE DANCERS IN THEIR CLUB SHOULD NOT BE MADE EVIDENT TO THE MANAGERS OF THE CLUB. ALTHOUGH IT IS LIKE ADVERTISING FOR THEM, THEY MAY NOT BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE ATTENTION.
Blondes
Tanya.
Renata.
Darina.
Sofia.
Margo.
Anita.
Tina.
Ira.
Layla.
Anette.
Siliana.
Elsa.
Bella.
Ksusha.
Dasha.
Yana.
Lea.
Brunettes
Leela.
Katya.
Ada.
Laima.
Michelle.
Lea.
Snezhana.
Mia.
Yula.
Julia.
Maya.
Black hair
Margarita.
Tamara.
Marta.
Tory.
Anastacia.
Elvira.
I just got back from Rio. It's Wenesday and half past midnight. I hope I visited the right one, not far from the German Amabassy right next to a big church. Big lights outside and you have to go up to the first floor and there is a small bar. 3 girls there. So I wanted to go further wehere the tables are and I just took a look. Only some more gilrs there. What about the reports there are up to 100 girls? Ok, I'm a little bit drunk but is there another area I didn't see?Dear Kirch,
The girls come out one by one on the various strip pole stages, and you will not see a hundred girls milling about the club at one time. That was an unreasonable expectation. You will need patience and to sit for a while to see the whole line up in each of the three different bar rooms located in the club: the downstairs room, the upstairs outer and inner rooms, and the VIP room. But you would know this if you had read the material I recommended for you from my prior reports.
It will depend on the night. Some nights are very big with many girls waiting backstage to dance, maybe up to a 100. Some nights are lighter, and between the three different line ups dancing at Rio even on a slow night [downstairs, upstairs (2 rooms) , and VIP] there may be 40. 60 girls. Even so, it is an ample number of girls for you to have fun there, I'm sure. You will, however, need to have the patience to sit and watch the line up come out on stage one by one, one song at a time. It is a process. But it is somewhat pleasant, so have a drink and watch the girls dance. Eventually you will see someone to your liking, and probably quite a few that you would love to get "acquainted" with.
I too wished that there would be a faster, more efficient, computerized system with photos of the girls available that the managers could show each client so they could easily see all the girls who were available on a given night and pick who they wanted to meet, like existed built in to the tables at the K-5 Club in Prague when I was there. Nowadays such a thing would be a very easy thing to do, what with the easy availability of IPhones and IPads and the like. I have mentioned it to one of the managers as a suggestion. But until Rio becomes modernized in that fashion with new technology, we will have to go fishing there in the old fashioned way, and be happy that its so easy, like shooting fish in a barrel, as the saying goes, and we don't have to chase all over some other nightclub to figure out which girls are working girls and what rates they might want to charge for their favors.
LOCATION OF RIO STRIP CLUB for the geographically challenged:
As to your uncertainty if you were at the right club, and since you are there in Kiev right now, and it would be a shame if you were wandering about Kiev and wondering if you actually found the Rio club, I will reassure you that you really cannot miss finding the club as all the taxi drivers know it. But if you are walking, simply find the street that intersects Kreshatik called Bogdana Hmelnitskogo Street (Russian pronunciation) or Bohdana Khmel'nyts'koho St (Ukrainian pronunciation) and walk up the hill from Kreshatik, passing the large beautiful opera Theater building, until just after the third intersecting street on your right side as you walk, and Rio is a few steps further on your right as well.
The street address is: Bogdana Hmelnitskogo str 30/10.
Here is a link to an actual photo of the Rio strip club:
http://g.co/maps/es9e2
Here is the club's website:
http://www.rioclub.com.ua/index2.html
Try the other nightclubs like Buddha Bar and D'lux too, and report, report.
Wishing you success in your pussy endeavors,
LJ
When looking for a hotel room in Kiev on the web they all seem more expensive than the many apartment-rentals. I have up till now always opted for apartment, around $100 is mostly decent studio apartment in the center, maybe sometimes without a lift. The girls also seem to like this better, especially if staying more than an hour. They complain that hotel rooms are so small, and in apartment you can offer them cold beer and stuff to eat. The only problem I can remember is keeping the sheets in bed decent. And clean towels are sometimes a problem. If money is no issue for someone, there are hotel-suites with extensive service to have. It would be interesting if someone could recommend a decent hotel with decent prices.Roll Buzz, you are correct in this concern which I have too, about the clean towels and sheets in an apartment rental. Whereas in a hotel, the sheets and towels should be expected to be changed daily, and extra towels are usually easily available for the asking, the typical apartment rental has a cleaning lady come only every 4 or 5 days, and there may only be two or three clean bath towels in the apartment. What I have done to deal with this problem is to make an issue of it in advance with the rental company and tell them that I need a certain number of clean large size bath towels in the apartment for my stay (anticipating the number of girls I will be having over who will need a bath towel to use, in addition to myself, during my stay) , AND I offer to pay whatever nominal charge or cost there might be associated with having the additional clean bath towels made available during my stay. Usually, since I am a repeat client, the rental company agrees to provide the towels at no additional charge as a courtesy. Just in case, however, I usually pack one clean bath towel of my own in my luggage. I guess packing an additional queen zsize sheet might be a good idea also, but I like to travel light, and I'm usually not too messy on the bed sheets, so it has worked out ok thus far as to the sheets. There's usually one extra bed sheet in the apartments anyways, that the cleaning lady uses to change the beds for the next customer. She then washes the towels and hangs them to dry in the washing machine usually located in every apartment. If I could figure out how to use the washing machine, I would probably try that too to keep things fresh, but they don't seem to use a dryer machine in the Kiev apartments, and I wasn't sure if the towels would be dry within a few days, so I didn't bother. The apartments I have rented at the $110 to $135 price range were all in nice buildings in the center, that had an elevator, and were full one bedroom apartments, not just studios. There are deals out there. It's a good idea to have a relationship as a repeat customer with the rental agency, as they will try harder to cater to your needs and wishes.
LJ
2 blondes to add to the list.
Aila, a 7-8. Nice rack and available for takeout.
Sannya, just started working last weekend probably a 9. 5, but no takeout unfortunately.
LJ is it possible to rate the girls in looks, performance, GFE and takeout availability.
I'm sure other members can fill in the blanks.Hi Immy007,
TAKE OUT: I only listed girls who I knew or was told were available for take out. For example, there was a really gorgeous blonde named Alla who was dancer only, so I left her off the list. Likewise, I would have left off the brunette stunner, Nikita, because she was dancer only (although I didn't see her at the club during my September or October visits.
LOOKS: I only listed girls who I felt the large majority of men would consider to be in the range of between 8's to 10's. I think that is as precise as it is possible to achieve in this context. This is because, due to previous discussions with other members I have come to appreciate that each guy has a slightly different viewpoint on what is more beautiful than what, and who is less beautiful than the other. So I realized that the best I can do for the readership here is to make a list that simply omits the girls on the lower end of the spectrum (below an 8 in looks) , and focusses on listing girls that I felt are good looking enough for the guys to at least take a look at them, since I felt that majority of guys would at least put them at an 8 rating in looks, even if I personally may have felt they were a 9 or a 10. There isn't any point in quibbling about whether a girl is an 8 or a 9, because beauty is truly "in the eye of the beholder."
GFE / Performance: I have only been with a very small percentage of the girls on this takeout menu. So this part will have to be a collaborative effort of the men who read this thread and can report ther findings and experiences with each girl. But first we will need to come up with an agreed definition of GFE. If it means a certain friendliness and sweet manner such as your girlfriend might display when she was with you, then most of the Rio girls I have been with will qualify. However, if the definition of GFE must also include certain specific activities, such as deep french kissing, DATY, uncovered blow job, or other activities, then a number of the Rio girls I have been with would not qualify, even though I thought the sex experience with them was fantastic and I have repeated with them a number of times. Although most have permitted and enjoyed DATY, I recently reported on some girls who said they didn't like or want it (although they might have done it when they were aroused in the flow of things, they said no when asked about it in advance, so maybe it's not a good idea to ask in advance when it is a more clinical or theoretical response) , and even one girl who only permitted it with using protection. Also, most of them were only comfortable with doing a covered BJ. So these girls would not be considered GFE by a service oriented definition that required uncovered BJ to be included, even though such girls were wonderful and enjoyable and GFE girlfriend experience in terms of their personality and way they related to me. So I think the best way to approach this is to give a girl with a wonderful demeanor and rapport a GFE rating, and to also include the performance data about the services, I. E. Whether she did an uncovered BJ or not, etc. But I am interested in comment on this from all interested parties.
I will post the list again, in due course, with my notes as to the above factors you asked about regarding the several girls I have actually taken out, as you requested.
I also solicit herewith any comments as to the services of any of the girls on the list that other members can provide that will enhance the functional utility of the Rio Line. Up List for the membership. You can simply send me a link to your prior report, or write a report of your ratings for each girl and your experiences, and I can add it to the list as to each girl with a link to your report. I think that will be immensely helpful to anyone using the list. The only complicating factor I can foresee will be to keep track of the changes in the line up due to girls leaving, and new ones coming in over time.
Using the criteria set forth above, did you feel that Aila would be considered by the majority of men to be an 8 or above?
If so then I will add her onto the list. The list is simply a recommendation by a member that others take a look at her, and is not pretending to be an objective fixing of her true level of beauty in divine absolute terms.
I have another trip planned for Thanksgiving weekend, November 24. 28. So I will follow up on the two new girls you mentioned, Aila and Sannya, although if Sannya is a no takeout girl, then we should not put her on the list. For example the only reason I put Tanya, the most incredible looking sexy pretty blonde on the list, is because the manager told me that now she does go out.
LJ
By the time I've sent my post I thought something like this, that the girls come out one after another. I really checked all your posts, but man, you really write a lot. So I'll try again tonight and as I'll be here another 4 nights this is alright.
In the meanwhile I tried one girl from mamba and 2 of minuet biz and one from top modals. Of course every time a different girl showed up and they all don't speak Russian! Even though Natasha. A friend of mine. Called them and talked in Russian to them that I want the one on the pictures or at least one that is alike! They just don't care. A good friend of mine who is here right now with me tried gia escort and he was always satisfied but I won't pay those prices!
In addition we have been to the basement mall at Maydan to have a coffee and there were so many beauties! They all look at me (I'm 6. 7 tall and look allright) , sometimes more than once. When I smile, sometimes they smile back. But to be honest, I don't know how to approach them. In Germany it's almost inpossible to speak to a 20 year old girl when you are 40 years old.
In terms of taxi I have found Anatoly who is from here but speaks German and he takes about USD 15 / hour for driving me and my friends with a nice Mercedes Vito.
So tonight we go out with 3 nice ladies from Ukraine but only friends and they don't like if we would say what we are here for. So we always pretend to be here for business.
roll buzz, you are correct in this concern which i have too, about the clean towels and sheets in an apartment rental. whereas in a hotel, the sheets and towels should be expected to be changed daily, and extra towels are usually easily available for the asking, the typical apartment rental has a cleaning lady come only every 4 or 5 days, and there may only be two or three clean bath towels in the apartment. .ljlj usually i use http://apartments.com.ua/ for sure not the cheapest but.
they provide a real good service that is worth the small sum you pay.
1. i get picked uo at the airport / station with a proper car, and afterwards driven away.
2. for 10 usd / day the give me a full change of everything, plate, cups, glass washing, ironing if needed. and of course house cleaning.
3. they have a "rent a phone" service do not remeber the sum, but it's good for contacting and speaking to girls.
4. free hi speed internet at home.
5. for 10 usd / service + the cost of what you buy i mail them a shopping list (usually the heavvy thing. water, beers, fruit juice etc) i buy the rest my self usually at mandarin plaza.
6. if needed with a time advice they can make you an invoice (you send how it has to be written, and for a 3% fee you can use almost any credit card).
my all favourite apt is # 2140. it's impress very good the girls and if you look carefully you will recognise the red sofa on which you have seen many of my beauties!
not last the apt has a nice jacuzzi and. a door you can lock with the key from inside and make the key disappeard (but the mystery tramp robbed my ikra! but she swallowed so. ok)
just my two cents.
it.
ps at least 25 girls drilled there.
uliana (several days), [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) (several days), inga (several days), mystery tramp (in different years), ira (ivol unfortunately for a day and a night only) , yulia, yana, zoya and her girlfiend, ekaterina. just the few ones i remeber. and many others, one of it favourite bonking stations!
some mementoes from the house...
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1817-photo-amp-video-equipment-recommendations&p=1083410&viewfull=1#post1083410
The apartments I have rented at the $110 to $135 price range were all in nice buildings in the center, that had an elevator, and were full one bedroom apartments, not just studios. There are deals out there. It's a good idea to have a relationship as a repeat customer with the rental agency, as they will try harder to cater to your needs and wishes.
LJIf you rent from the same site every time let them know you have been using them since year xxxx and ask if they can give you a discount.
Never know, they may take $15 off for each day
Member #4243
11-03-11, 19:10
Ok so I have decided that Kiev will make a great alternative to fkk's in germany but there are a few things playing on my mind I could do with some help on; ;
1) a window has opened for me during late March / April and I am ready to book my flight in advance. However my trip is likely to fall within the easter holiday. Will things be slow in Kiev in easter in terms of no's of girls available in clubs especially Rio or maybe even some clubs like Rio may be closed good Friday etc due to girls being on holiday or does life carry on as normal?
2) one thing which is worrying me about a trip to Kiev is that I am only interested in finding real stunner type girls ie as in Rio and I am willing to pay for the convenience as I am new to the city and only there a few days. However normally wherever I go I always have a.
Plan b in case plan a doesn't work out. Here my plan a is Rio; in germany for example I always make a list of nearby clubs I can visit in case for any unseen reason my first choice is beyond my reach or dead in terms of girl quality etc. I have read that Rio can have a
No take out policy when girl numbers are low etc. I know paradise exists but it is a long way out of town? Am I over worrying here or can someone give me that plan b ie a club with stunning girls at Rio's prices. Until now I can find no such alternative and I feel a little.
Worried about making the trip from england with Rio being the one and only option which guarantees what I want. Again being there a few days I do not want to try my luck in places like dlux etc?
3) big thanks for the patience showed by members helping me especially little joey mohab.
Borderland
11-03-11, 19:47
Need a little help quickly:
I'm messaging a girl but I can't understand the nuance of a message I received:
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Can anybody translate it for me please?
Cheers
Borderland
11-03-11, 19:49
Ignore the post below, I tried posting Russian script and it has not worked for some reason.
CityHunter77
11-03-11, 21:03
Hi Immy007,
Using the criteria set forth above, did you feel that Aila would be considered by the majority of men to be an 8 or above?
LJI would probably give Aila a 7. 5-8 because of her boobs, best natural ones I've seen in Rio.
I don't know what rating Mystery and Free Tiger would give Sannya but I thought she was a 9+
I am a french man. My english is very basic. So, I just do a Google translation about one my last trip, with a girl from Rio strip club. I hope the translation is good. You can read the full report in the french forum Youppie, if you want and understand french language. Enjoy!
Could not remember very well what happened, nor really the chronological order of events, I'll start to talk about what I remember most. My best memory is, of course, the one with Helen, a daughter of Rio, on our last night in Kiev.
Helen is a beautiful Russian student who turns 21 next month. She works at the Rio 2 months of summer, and will work during some weekends when it will resume his studies.
Two nights before, I invite him to our table. Fandor and I were at that time in the room where three girls dance: the room between the VIP and the one with the red sofas.
I was not very comfortable for two main reasons: Helen gave me a great effect, and I had a little burst. It is my intention to offer this thing where it kind of sucks a smoke, I do not know what it is. I accept without asking questions, I'm too in love with him. In my opinion, it must receive a commission on consumption because it is almost no hit. Later, she told me to give 100 UAH to keep it at my table because it is required elsewhere. In order not to lose and being mesmerized by the dream creature, I accept without hesitation. For the Private Dancer, I do not know if I went sooner or later with. Regardless, it was held in the VIP room. For the Private Dancer, she damn hell of a pole. It is good! Time passes. It is 3:30 in the morning when I asked him, intimidated, if it is the outcalls. She said yes, give me the rates, services. So for the price is $ 300 for 2 to 3 hours, she said. Is 2 or 3 hours is not very clear what you say, I say. For its services, she said she does everything with hood and it does not embrace. There, I think it's rather expensive, especially if it remains only 2 hours instead of 3 hours. However, not being really able to think, being too excited, I said ok. She asks me to pay it. Not wanting to unpack all my notes in front of everyone, I told him I'm going to the toilet had to prepare. Ok, I'm waiting, she said. On my return, it is no longer at our table. After a few minutes, she returned to tell me she's sorry she can not come, she did not pay attention to the late hour. But I can see you tomorrow night, if you want. Very disappointed, I told him that I'm not sure to come back, I see well.
Around 5 am, we leave the club, he began to emerge. The time is rather cool, we go running with our leather shoes for a little warm. Running at night, dressed fairly class with inappropriate footwear, it must be done! Oh yeah! Fresh out of Rio, at the opera, we see two chicks completely stuffed. Too bad they were not fucking best, otherwise we could ship them easy, in my opinion!
The next night (actually the same evening, but you know what I mean) , I returned to Rio, only this time, being busy with his Fandor Weird. It is expected to join me later, but he will not come, staying longer than agreed in the arms of his beloved.
The evening passes and still no Helen in sight. I will dance with privat Mila, and I want to ask her if she fucks. If it is not spoken, I embarked. Unfortunately, as with all the girls in my opinion, everything is covered. Time passes and I think that Helen took me for a fool because it did not come. Many clients, on Sunday evening, all the most beautiful girls are in great demand. I'm exhausted and Fandor said by telephone that he did not join me as too late and too flat and the small cloud. I still do a private dance and I go too, I said.
Unfortunately, the chosen girl walks up to me to tell me she can not come because it is sought to table. This is too much, I expect little more like an idiot, and I go for the 2nd consecutive day without having drained. Left one night, we have to finish in style.
Monday night, the eve of our departure, I feel a little better, my burst is over and I am very motivated to disgorge the leek. As before, it is expected that Fandor join me later.
I arrive at the Rio, the club is almost empty. I prefer, and this leaves more choice and availability for my apple! I will dance with gorgeous private Diana, a beautiful Russian eyes, which is very nice, always smiling. Your boyfriend is not with you, she said. FYI, Fandor Private Dancer had gone with her the night I was curled up in the arms of Helen, two days before.
I do not ask him or suggested if I had seen since she kissed Helen quickly, a little before.
An hour passes. Helen still not in sight. Suddenly, she comes and dances. Without wasting a second, I ask a waitress I want a private dance with Helen. No sooner said than done! I did well because she just finished her dance as the clown in front of 2 mug theft. Helen said in English that she is sorry, but it is already required elsewhere. When the two Pignouf saw it coming right at me, they were disgusted. I did well to be fast, otherwise it was done for!
Helen told me to wait a few minutes while she went to prepare. Shortly after she arrives and embark for a privat dance of madness. When the dance ends, I ask again for some more info on board. She said that the duration depends on the feeling and the size of my cock! If it is too large, they are only 2 hours, if not three. I told him that mine is normal. I take this opportunity to still be in the booth to pay. Finally, I will be able to embark on three hours of madness!
15 minutes later, here he comes. I try to contact Fandor to announce my coming, but it does not answer, too busy with her pussy.
It was midnight when I arrived at the apartment with Helen. After drinking a glass, took a shower, we get down to business.
Helen is absolutely beautiful! It has a nice little body stiff, look teenager, in short everything I love!
I begin to look after her, kissing her everywhere. And when I say everywhere, really everywhere, even the most intimate parts of his anatomy. It's a shame it does not embrace the language and it sucks because it is perfect.
As a general rule, I do not like the position 69, but with her, I did not hesitate one second. While I would puffy pussy, she arches so that I also eats the pellet. I told him gently pushed my tongue in her cozy little hole high, which makes it much effect. I take this opportunity to introduce his finger as well, with a few come and go, it seems greatly appreciated. Her ass is delicious! I loved it!
Later, when I was about him stick his little kitty, she said she loves the back door. Seeing me very surprised, it gives me a big smile and said: "* I love that! *" It is then that a fuck session anthology through the back door! Her lying on her back, took a walk to hell! It is true that she loves it, the ****! I was surprised at the ease with which it is returned, though she had lubricated the puck with his saliva!
The more I limais, the more she wanted more, she took over his foot, and me too!
How fucking crazy! Just to think again, it excites me again!
After the first round where she and I took a walk to hell, we love the one in the other. She appreciates my touch on her body, and my little kisses.
Some time later, here we go again for a second round. This time, I really want to stick his little kitty that will prove as tight as her little hole! Now I sense that it takes less than a foot. After a few minutes, I asked him to take it doggy style through the back door. With his best smile, without saying a word, she presents her rump divine, while arching her back, ready to welcome me in his den of fun!
As for the first time, although I had a little more trouble to come, it was a wonderful time.
Subsequently, the time expires, it is time she left.
Between the time we left Rio, and when she got in the taxi back, it took exactly 3 hours. While waiting for his taxi on the street, it is coiled against me, obviously very pleased with these hot 3 hours, and me too!
It is more than 3am, Fandor is still standing when his darling's gone for a while. We only have a few hours sleep before leaving for the airport.
We almost forget to floss and be as Fandor had put his ring on the hour from France, one hour shift.
Here is a trip that ends in apohéose for him and me, as is often the case in Ukraine. Therefore, just got home, I have only one desire: to return as soon as possible. This is done: in one week, I go back!
Ok so I have decided that Kiev will make a great alternative to fkk's in germany but there are a few things playing on my mind I could do with some help on; ;
1) a window has opened for me during late March / April and I am ready to book my flight in advance. However my trip is likely to fall within the easter holiday. Will things be slow in Kiev in easter in terms of no's of girls available in clubs especially Rio or maybe even some clubs like Rio may be closed good Friday etc due to girls being on holiday or does life carry on as normal?
2) one thing which is worrying me about a trip to Kiev is that I am only interested in finding real stunner type girls ie as in Rio and I am willing to pay for the convenience as I am new to the city and only there a few days. However normally wherever I go I always have a.
Plan be in case plan a doesn't work out. Here my plan a is Rio; in germany for example I always make a list of nearby clubs I can visit in case for any unseen reason my first choice is beyond my reach or dead in terms of girl quality etc. I have read that Rio can have a
No take out policy when girl numbers are low etc. I know paradise exists but it is a long way out of town? Am I over worrying here or can someone give me that plan be ie a club with stunning girls at Rio's prices. Until now I can find no such alternative and I feel a little.
Worried about making the trip from england with Rio being the one and only option which guarantees what I want. Again being there a few days I do not want to try my luck in places like dlux etc?
3) big thanks for the patience showed by members helping me especially little joey mohab.Mohab, you are a bigger worrier than me, and I am a believer in advance research and preparations because of it and caution in all endeavors. Your gracious thank you has earned you another reply, but you could probably figure this out on your own. Since you state that you are ok with paying for the convenience and possibility of being with a really hot girl, certainly a few dollars more shouldn't make a problem for you. You should therefore not fixate on only being happy with your trip if you can have a good Rio experience. You must be broad minded enough to consider alternatives, if that becomes necessary. I don't think you have any need for concern with regard to finding hot girls in Kiev. If you read my reports, and those of others that describe all the options in Kiev, you will know that there are in fact many other options aside from Rio to get very hot women in Kiev. So your Plan B could include other strip clubs mentioned in the reports by TheKnight some time ago on this thread. You could also go to Buddha Bar and get very hot women from there without too much difficulty. It might cost you a bit more than at Rio, but, hey, this is Plan B we're talking about, which only comes into play after a complete failure of Plan A at Rio, which is a highly unlikely event. You could also order take out from the reliable gia-escort website, and if vodkaescort ever comes back to life possibly from them too. Less easy for guaranteed super hot girls are the websites of mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com, as well as many other websites. I have always wondered if the websites with hourly prices like 150 Euro are more likely to deliver a truly hot girl because the price is higher that the websites where the prices are 800 UAH or less? It might be worthwhile to consider investigating these options if you are presented with a Plan B situation. Also, in all the times I have ever gone to Rio, I have only once encountered the situation I described on the Saturday night I reported about when many girls were out sick and I was driven over to Paradise where I had a great time and saw a very good line up. So it is not a usual or recurring phenomenon at Rio, as no one has reported experiencing anything similar in the past. I guess there was a flu going around then, so unless it happens again, I would say it's probably a one time occurence.
So yes I believe you are over worrying here.
In particular because you should also heed my advice about the "sex insurance policy" and in fact do at least a one day stop in cologne to visit an fkk on the way home, to drain out any remaining sperm that were not put into the game in Kiev, so that you can arrive home with that beatific smle on your face of the monger who has just completed an awesome trip.
About the date of your trip at the end of March / beginning of April 2012, I don't think you have anything to worry about. Regarding the easter holiday, you should realize that the orthodox church in ukraine has a different date for easter than the western churches. Although in 2011 the easter holiday was celebrated by both types of churches (western and eastern) on April 24, 2011, next year in 2012, it will be different. In 2012, easter will be celebrated by the western churches following the gregorian calendar in the uk for example on April 8, whereas in orthodox eastern churches following the older julian calender such as in ukraine or russia the date for easter is Sunday April 15, 2012, with good Friday on the preceding Friday, of April 13th. The dating of the holiday can be understood better than I can explain it by reading through the wikipedia article on easter at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter. As far as this relates to your mongering trip, you should realize that although many young ukrainians are not religious due to the many years of communist rule, the easter holiday is the most important religious holiday in their calendar. So you are correct to be concerned if your trip will be scheduled for the actual weekend of easter. In most mongering destinations holidays like Christmas or new years are not good times for mongering, so it is safe to assume many girls will be with their families on easter too. However, that being said, I would really only be concerned about the actual weekend of good Friday and easter Sunday.
I say that if your trip is before easter weekend it should be no problem, based on the fact that this year I was in Kiev for both the weekend preceeding and the weekend following easter Sunday April 24 2011, and it was business as usual and I had a great time.
LJ
Member #4491
11-03-11, 22:33
Ignore the post below, I tried posting Russian script and it has not worked for some reason.Http://translate.google.com/
Duesentrieb
11-03-11, 22:59
Today I had a great GFE in Kiev with a pretty blonde pro, she had an advert at mamba.
Her Working name is Marina. Student and 20 years old.
Parts of her right forearm are missing and she wears a prothesis, her handicap is also covered from her long blonde hair, it did not affect our Sex in anyway.
Sex with her was great, maybe anybody here knows her already?
Borderland
11-03-11, 23:19
Kiev day game.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOM6fpFgj00&feature=player_embedded
I would probably give Aila a 7. 5-8 because of her boobs, best natural ones I've seen in Rio.
I don't know what rating Mystery and Free Tiger would give Sannya but I thought she was a 9+Unless Sannya does take out, we shouldn't put her on a list for mongers who are looking for take out. Hot girls for take out is what seemed to be what most guys are interested in knowing about.
Regarding Aila I'll put her on the list because you're saying most guys would see her as an 8 too and it's a recommendation from a member for others to have a look at her. But it is an interesting question what to do. I've never seen her, so I'm asking you to put on your thinking cap and surmise whether "the majority of guys out there would agree she is an 8 or above". Now the value of good natural boobs cannot be ignored, but you need to tell me if you think her face is pretty enough, and the rest of her body (flat stomach awesome ass and legs) is hot enough so that most guys (not only those who care only about boobs) would agree she's an 8, all around. If her face is plain, or her ass is fat, she shouldn't make the cut just because of boobs. So tell me about what you thought about her facial prettiness and the hotness of the rest of her body.
CityHunter77
11-03-11, 23:52
Today I had a great GFE in Kiev with a pretty blonde pro, she had an advert at mamba.
Her Working name is Marina. Student and 20 years old.
Parts of her right forearm are missing and she wears a prothesis, her handicap is also covered from her long blonde hair, it did not affect our Sex in anyway.
Sex with her was great, maybe anybody here knows her already?Http://www.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=581191566&hit=3
Are you talking about this Marina?
I was out with a dancer a few nights back that apparently wanted a relationship, met online. A day after she came to pick me up as she was heading to work.
The menu in her bar I could not read as it was in Russian or Ukr. Ahh f*ck this 3 hour story. I feel I know I got gamed in the bar & little before.
& let me give you guys a heads up, I was in Kreshatic restaurant out with a ISG fella. Anyways he was with 2 girls one he chat online the other a friend of hers.
We talk drink whatever, I'm a little drunk no problem, that night ends we put them in a taxi, & we leave in our paths home.
Back to the dancer, we in Mafia & this little fag*ot pu*sy waiter basically blew me out to her in UKr, because I was with some girls in the place a few nights back. "One of her lines, so i'm just the next girl you bring here. Which i replied i have friends just because girls are with me what does that mean? You been here with boys before."
Mouthing to fellow waiters whom looking over every 2 minutes at our table, it was quiet in the restaurant Wednesday late-ish.
I was actually really interested in this mentality put forward by this dancer. But thanks to Mafia restaurant waiter, her more pro side kicked in possibly that night, & definitelt in her bar.
She is calling me tomorrow she said To cut a long story short, in her club, I said so gamed me tonight? You gamed me o my god. Said with a not really caring attitude on my side. She lied about what they could only drink.
Forget the details, she screwed up & I caught her out. Can this situation be recovered? Has Kreshatic Mafia screwed me.
I have mentioned this here before, but a former RP girl told me that there is a cottage with sauna in the outskirts of Kiev where you can stay overnight for only about 15 USD. Let us know if anybody finds out about this.Sorbonne, is it this place?
http://www.sauna-leon.com.ua/
Just a normal sauna apparently but open 24 hours and not too far by taxi from where the boat was on the far side of the river.
Used to be used by some of the old RP girls who were 'in the know'.
I had some notes on this place and maybe another one that sounds like your description but unfortunately notebook is long gone...
VG
Member #4243
11-04-11, 04:41
Many thanks for the valuable info. Helping me plan my first trip to FSU Kiev! I feel that many of the doubts and concerns I had are being eliminated one by one-thanks.
If you rent from the same site every time let them know you have been using them since year xxxx and ask if they can give you a discount.
Never know, they may take $15 off for each dayExcellent point Muddy7. In fact kievapts. Com from whom I have been renting already does apply such a repeat customer discount to my rentals, and have done so even without my asking, as it is commonly done.
I have received IT's recommendation of apartments. Com. Ua, and will consider them also for future bookings.
Thanks.
LJ
Sorbonne, is it this place?
http://www.sauna-leon.com.ua/
Just a normal sauna apparently but open 24 hours and not too far by taxi from where the boat was on the far side of the river.
Used to be used by some of the old RP girls who were 'in the know'.
I had some notes on this place and maybe another one that sounds like your description but unfortunately notebook is long gone.
VGValery,
I don't know if this is the one, but I was imagining the ones like the sauna Gia uses, like bangalows in the forest, as it was supposed to be in the outskirts of Kiev.
http://gia.la/apartments
See #12 at the bottom.
But this could be too expensive.
Maybe the next time I go to Kiev I'd call the girl who told me and go there with her.
CityHunter77
11-04-11, 14:52
A question to the experienced mongers.
If you take a girl on outcall to your apartment for a massage from Dolly or any other place.
Is it possible to get full sex or BJ for an extra tip?
Can anyone provide reports of their experiences using this strategy?
A question to the experienced mongers.
If you take a girl on outcall to your apartment for a massage from Dolly or any other place.
Is it possible to get full sex or BJ for an extra tip?
Can anyone provide reports of their experiences using this strategy?Yes they give head Immy. It depends on the girl. But I got head. When she flipped around it was obvious she does anal as well. It was actually beautiful looking at her ass & pussy. So arousing & sexual. Of course you cannot touch the intimate zones by policy, however differnet woman different thinking.
Lady considers you a customer. If you pay the right amount I'm certain you could get extra with some girls in Dolly massage. Respect the service, make some offers, see what you get. I have not been to the massage centre however feel that being in your apartment you obviously have more privacy. & she will be able to expand her services without worry of being caught or such.
So now I know what Liljoey means saying having patience being at Rio! Only 2-3 girls dancing at the same time in each area. First area is like a waiting area, a bar and some sofas where you can hang out watching 2 girls dancing 1-2 songs (about 5 minutes). But in this area I think there is no action, means the manager doesn't pay attention at all and I don't think girls are coming to your table afterwards, at least I didn't see it. So I asked for a table in the next area (Table and confortable sofas) but we had to wait and wait. Other guest came after us and get to this area first. So I approached the manager and gave him 200 and said I want a table now and I'll be back the next 4 days. Within the next 2 min. We got a table. Here 3 girls dancing at the same time. When they finished the go over to the next area and the next 3 girls come on stage. I saw another entrance called "VIP". So I asked the manager and he showed me the area. He said, call me on the day you come and I reserve a table. In this VIP area there are another 3 girls dancing and again they rotate after 1-2 songs to the next area. So it takes some rounds and you have seen all the girls. BUT never they have about 100-200 girls a night! I asked several people and they agree. Yesterday there were about 50 girls and of course the later it gets the less girls are there.
What is really nice about this place, there is only 100 entrance fee and we paid 60 for one Bacardi Cola which is pretty cheap for a club like this. So hanging around for hours is really nice!
Another good thing, there is no extra charge for the tables and you don't have to pay for at least one bottle or else. At least the manager told me so.
If you want to have a 10, never go too late there! We got there at midnight and the best girls were gone. Of course. BUT the rest is still ok, I decided for Elvira, she is 28 but looks like 23. Nice body, black hair and she danced liked she wants to eat you. I knew she was something special. I realized in my appartement because she like bands like Korn, Deftones and Marillon Manson. She wants to be a Domina but she is not. She tries.
Service was ok but not the best. Like very often in Kiev! Don't touch me her, don't touch me there. And almost always shy! Totally different to Germany or Dubai. For instance.
Price was USD 300 for 3 hrs. But I sent here home after 2 hrs because she pretend to be tired. I hate that and say: go home.
Anyways, it was nice and I called Rio today and they reserve a table for me at 9:00 pm because I want to see Tanya! Liljoey said she is the best and I asked some girls and the manager and everybody agreed.
So more tomorrow.
Need a little help quickly:
Can anybody translate it for me please?
CheersNeed traslation help also. The girl I fucked last moaned something like :
Ebi menia kak blad! Mne nravitsa tvoy bolshoy francuzski xuy! Trakhi minia kak suka!
I guess this is romantic terms of endearments? (smilie)
Can anybody here tell me about the pole strip dancing club just a little ouside of Kiev "Martin."
What would be the entry costs?
& all relevant details.
Yes they give head Immy. It depends on the girl. But I got head. When she flipped around it was obvious she does anal as well. It was actually beautiful looking at her ass & pussy. So arousing & sexual. Of course you cannot touch the intimate zones by policy, however differnet woman different thinking.
Lady considers you a customer. If you pay the right amount I'm certain you could get extra with some girls in Dolly massage. Respect the service, make some offers, see what you get. I have not been to the massage centre however feel that being in your apartment you obviously have more privacy. & she will be able to expand her services without worry of being caught or such.
But consider yourself lucky if you get anything extra, cause not everybody does. They used to be indifferent to any extra money, even though they were getting paid only about 15 USD (30% of the price we pay) for 60 min. (I believe they recently raised the price.) Just kissing was even difficult to get.
They used to have much younger, wilder and prettier girls. Old timers (still in early 20s) who were hired by the Italian founder Max and who are still there tend to be prettier and do more.
I don't know about more recently hired ones. In the photo gallery they appear (almost) in order of time hired.
Dolly used to be my choice of activity to fill time-in-between in Kiev, as it was only about 50 USD per hour.
By the time I've sent my post I thought something like this, that the girls come out one after another. I really checked all your posts, but man, you really write a lot. So I'll try again tonight and as I'll be here another 4 nights this is alright.
In the meanwhile I tried one girl from mamba and 2 of minuet biz and one from top modals. Of course every time a different girl showed up and they all don't speak Russian! Even though Natasha. A friend of mine. Called them and talked in Russian to them that I want the one on the pictures or at least one that is alike! They just don't care. A good friend of mine who is here right now with me tried gia escort and he was always satisfied but I won't pay those prices!
In addition we have been to the basement mall at Maydan to have a coffee and there were so many beauties! They all look at me (I'm 6. 7 tall and look allright) , sometimes more than once. When I smile, sometimes they smile back. But to be honest, I don't know how to approach them. In Germany it's almost inpossible to speak to a 20 year old girl when you are 40 years old.
In terms of taxi I have found Anatoly who is from here but speaks German and he takes about USD 15 / hour for driving me and my friends with a nice Mercedes Vito.
So tonight we go out with 3 nice ladies from Ukraine but only friends and they don't like if we would say what we are here for. So we always pretend to be here for business.This year I have been twice in Kiev and it seems that the authorities are trying to "clean" the center of the city (maybe due to the next football even?) or maybe corruption again. Some girls I know told me that they prefer to work with agencies (and the extra prices or commissions for these agencies) because these agencies protect them from this "new" situation in center of Kiev. Maybe someone have more informatiopn about this assumption occuring during this year?
Has anyone been here:
www.evita-salon.com
One of the mamba girls sent it to me
I asked the RIO girl I took home how much of the money she makes is taken by the club, she told me its 50-50.
Do you really think its 50-50?
So here's my third report for Rio. I called Sergej to reserve a table and I got there by 9:00 pm, not crowded at all. The VIP Manager approached me and invited me for the VIP area. Very nice and more private there but you have to consider one thing! Not all girls rotate in all areas. So I got to the restroom and saw Elvira. I asked here if she just arrived but she said she is there for 2 hours and don't dance the VIP area. So you have to walk around every once and a while. After having a bill of 2. 000 in the second night and yesterday a bill of 2. 500 the VIP Manager really likes me and did everything for me.
I saw Tanya and have to say that she is a really good looking girl with a nice body. But for me not the best in Rio. In Germany we have so many beauties working in FKK Clubs and they do everything that I still prefer this area.
There is a girl that is for a big 10! She is 20 years old, very skinny and just a beautiful Angel face. I forgot her name (to many Bacradi Cola). She is not going out! . I tried everything but she is doing only private dance. So I did a private dance only looking in her eyes. I told her not to undress and stop to dance. I said I want to go out tomorrow with her for a coffee and that I'm serious. She was thinking. Yes, no, may be. Like always. So then she said yes, may be on Sunday so I gave her my number. Let's see. She is an angel!
Then I asked for girl who is very very tall and kind of slim. She has a nice face but more like GFE face. I noticed that she looked all the time to me when she was dancing and she was so happy that I invited her to my table. She hold my hand and smiling all the time. She really liked me so I was convinced this is a perfect GFE night. So I told her I live right at the corner Kreshatic and Maydan. All the sudden she said "no, not good, sorry." For me the location is very good but the girls don't like it. The police is giving the a hard time so all the girls avoid this area by night. New situation, bad situation.
So I had 2 more girls at my table and a nice Russian guy. I had too many drinks and all the sudden it was 4:00 am. Still some good girls dancing there but I was tired so I decided one more time for Elvira. She was so happy I decided for her that she said I have perfect night with her. But she needs to drink something so she is better? . Ok, she ordered seven B52s! She drinked in about 10 minutes all of them! Then she said, let's go I'm ready. My good. And the night was good.
So tonight again. There are 2 more girls I want to try.
The sad thing about it. My friend has so many girl friends here and he has every night dinner and Karaoke with at least 3 girls at the same time. He doesn't pay, only for shopping, dinner, make up, etc. But anyways I'm stupid going to Rio every night having so many "freebies".
Regarding strip bars here in Kiev & around. If a girl get a guy to buy a bottle of something more expensive. Does she get half the cost of the bottle or %
Places like Rio, Martin, Rhino, Arena etc
Got there at about 2:00 pm. Not too many girls. And best were gone already. Asked to girls come to my table, really hot ones. The manager knows that I want to go out with them but every time they send the girls that do private dance only. So it was already 4:00 am and about 4 other girls I asked to come with me said no because it's too late and they have danced all night. First I thought something happend to me and it is my fault for some reason but I asked some other guests and they said it's normal. Spoiled spoiled spoiled.
Before we have been with 4 girls and a friend to D:Lux and it was like always unbelivable what girls walking around there! I asked 3 hot ones but they wanted about USD 400 / hr. Too much.
All in all I just can say being everywhere in the world Germany is the best place. It was fun and I found some new friends. So I come back but not for this.
CityHunter77
11-06-11, 19:28
Got there at about 2:00 pm. Not too many girls. And best were gone already. Asked to girls come to my table, really hot ones. The manager knows that I want to go out with them but every time they send the girls that do private dance only. So it was already 4:00 am and about 4 other girls I asked to come with me said no because it's too late and they have danced all night. First I thought something happend to me and it is my fault for some reason but I asked some other guests and they said it's normal. Spoiled spoiled spoiled.
Before we have been with 4 girls and a friend to D:Lux and it was like always unbelivable what girls walking around there! I asked 3 hot ones but they wanted about USD 400 / hr. Too much.
All in all I just can say being everywhere in the world Germany is the best place. It was fun and I found some new friends. So I come back but not for this.Where in Germany do you recommend for Ukranian and Russian girls?
Got there at about 2:00 pm. Not too many girls. And best were gone already. Asked to girls come to my table, really hot ones. The manager knows that I want to go out with them but every time they send the girls that do private dance only. So it was already 4:00 am and about 4 other girls I asked to come with me said no because it's too late and they have danced all night. First I thought something happend to me and it is my fault for some reason but I asked some other guests and they said it's normal. Spoiled spoiled spoiled.
Before we have been with 4 girls and a friend to D:Lux and it was like always unbelivable what girls walking around there! I asked 3 hot ones but they wanted about USD 400 / hr. Too much.
All in all I just can say being everywhere in the world Germany is the best place. It was fun and I found some new friends. So I come back but not for this.Dear Kirch,
I tried to save you from some mistakes I made in my past visits by writing about them in my prior posts. However, you may be one of those fellows that needs to learn things by experience, which is the hard way.
Getting there too late at 2am:
One of the initial mistakes is thinking of Rio as a typical strip club. Most of us do our regular clubbing or bars first, and then at the end of the night, we possibly hit a strip club at 2am to be there for the last hour or so until closing to put us in good spirits before heading home. At least this is how most of my friends feel about it. However, in normal strip clubs you are simply going there for the entertainment value of the dances.
It is very different when "mongering" at Rio strip club in Kiev, because your purpose is not simply to see pretty girls dance, but rather to find an approriate girl to take home and have in your bed that night. For this you need time to complete your investigation of which girls are available (waiting for the line ups in each room to appear) and your interviews of each candidate (including inviting them to sit at your table, speaking with them and private dance with them). All the while, other men are doing the same, so as girls get chosen by others your own pool of possible candidates dwindles. Also since the closing time is 5am, and the girls want to return to the club to get their money usually, this means that after 2am you will have less than the normal three hours with the girl, and if you want the three hours for the $300 you must pay, the girl may not agree to stay with you longer than 5am, and you will therefore either not be able to take her that night, or you will be forced to compromise on the three hours time period and agree to pay $300 for less than three hours.
Therefore, at Rio, by 2am you need to already be in a position to make decisions about which girl or girls to ask home with you, and have alternatives in mind in case they say no, for whatever their reasons might be.
What all the foregoing means is that, if it is your intention to "monger" at Rio, which means you are aiming to take a dream girl home with you, you must arrive at Rio early enough in the evening in order to leave yourself sufficient time for the processes described above (investigation and interviewing). [Also its worthwhile to leave Rio with your girl some time before 2am, to allow for the possibility that the girl might stay with you in your apartment longer than the exact alotted three hours if she likes you and she will still be able to get back to club by 5am]. Not to mention that the later it gets in the evening, the more tired out the girls will tend to get, which will affect how she might perform and act at your apartment.
My feeling is that one should get to Rio around 10 or 11pm, so that you can complete the investigation and interview process and be able to make the invitation home by around 1am, or at the latest by 2am.
So here's my third report for Rio. I called Sergej to reserve a table and I got there by 9:00 pm, not crowded at all. The VIP Manager approached me and invited me for the VIP area. Very nice and more private there but you have to consider one thing! Not all girls rotate in all areas. So I got to the restroom and saw Elvira. I asked here if she just arrived but she said she is there for 2 hours and don't dance the VIP area. So you have to walk around every once and a while. After having a bill of 2. 000 in the second night and yesterday a bill of 2. 500 the VIP Manager really likes me and did everything for me.Wow! A 2000 bill and 2500 bill seems like quite a lot of bar spending. You must be doing a lot of drinking of high priced drinks there. I usually only order a green tea, or a cappucino, or a fresh juice, (a lot of alcohol interferes with my vitamins___lol) and some drinks for those girls I choose to buy drinks for, which will be for whatever they want within reason, like Bailey's or the like. I've never had a bill for my bar tab of over 1000, and many times get out of there with a 500 or 600 UAH bill. However, to each his own. If you enjoy drinking a lot of liquor, then of course it's ok. But just so you should know, the managers will like you even if you don't spend so much, as long as you give them a reasonable tip of at least 100 UAH each night when they assist you.
As for your observation that you have to look at the three separate line ups of girls in the club (the VIP line up; the upstairs inner and outer rooms line up; and the downstairs room line up) , yes, of course it is correct. But you would have known that from an even cursory review of the prior reports. So you learned from experience. Good.
Did you even make it to the downstairs room to see that line up, or did you only see the VIP and upstairs rooms line ups?
I saw Tanya and have to say that she is a really good looking girl with a nice body. But for me not the best in Rio. In Germany we have so many beauties working in FKK Clubs and they do everything that I still prefer this area.TANYA and ELVIRA.
I must say that I am a very big fan of the FKK's in Germany. I have written on this very subject, and believe that FKK's are better than Kiev with respect to low unit cost for sex with a guaranteed high level of GFE service, whereas in Kiev this is something GFE service (including uncovered BJ) is not guaranteed with any uniformity, and depends on the girl individually and your own skills and rapport with her.
But in all my visits to FKK World, Oase and Palace in the Frankfurt area, or in Goldentime in Vienna, I have never seen a girl on the level of beauty possessed by Tanya at Rio in Kiev. Tanya is smoking hot. In my personal rating system I felt Tanya was a 10, whereas Elvira I would have rated as an 8, if not maybe a bit lower. Tanya's truly pretty and beautiful face, coupled with her slender sexy really nicely shaped body, had me mesmerized. It was only the fact that when I first met her, she said dancer only, that I stopped trying for her, and wrote her off, just as I wrote off the amazing brunette 10, Nikita, dancer only ice queen.
The question I would ask you is whether it was confirmed to you, that Tanya does do "take out" and will accompany a customer home to their apartment for sex. Shortly after she just started working at the club, Tanya said dancer only. I was told by Tanya later in the year that she would go out with a client, but only to a nightclub. However, on my last trip the manager at VIP room said she does go out with customers, which I assume meant to their apartments, so I put her on the Rio list. But it is unconfirmed. Can you confirm whether Tanya said she would come home with you? Or did you not even go that far to ask her?
Wow! You passed on Tanya and took Elvira!
It goes to show you how different guys have different tastes. Or maybe it is a case of opposites attract, as Tanya is a gorgeous blonde, of whom there are many of similar type in Deutchland, whereas Elvira is a black haired little spitfire with a petite body but cute tush, who reminds me of a gypsy type.
I actually also considered taking out Elvira. Good to know that she pleased you. So much that it seems you took her out twice. She must have been good the first time, or was it because the hour was late and there was little other choice? I'm like that too. I tend to start liking a girl and taking her out multiple times.
LJ
Member #4243
11-08-11, 22:22
Again I hope to visit Kiev in the hope of finding the most beautiful girls as a change to fkk world. My budget will not allow me to do a combination fkk / Kiev trip so I really want to get this right. Although my trip is a way off still as thanks I will report fully with info for 1st.
Time Kiev visitors as a thanks. There are some fine details which may seem trivial but will make a big difference as I plan this trip; ; ;
1) I have read of large bills of 500/600 just for drinks. I don't drink alcohol. Given I will be in the Rio club for 2/3 hours and assuming I will be taking a girl out will the following spend plan within the club be suitable for my time in there; entrance + 1 private dance +
100uah tip (is one tip enough to one manager?) +2 soft drinks. This would come to around 50 dollars per visit to the club. Also are the entrance fee / dance / drinks etc paid in dollars or uah?
2) for a 3 hour "take out" am I right in thinking you need to put 1 hour aside for travelling to and fro the club giving you 2 hours quality time with the girls?
3) would I look odd visiting the club 7 nights consecutively taking a girl out each night or is this normal with men on vacation and similar?
4) I have read some girls do not like walking in the kreshtacik road area due to police etc / most flats for rent are near this road / is this a problem or would you as a rule be getting a taxi to and from Rio?
5) finally I am planning 7 nights in Kiev does Rio have a lively atmosphere even on a Sunday / Monday / Tuesday as well as the weekends especially in relation to number of girls present?
6) many thanks mohab
Again I hope to visit Kiev in the hope of finding the most beautiful girls as a change to fkk world. My budget will not allow me to do a combination fkk / Kiev trip so I really want to get this right. Although my trip is a way off still as thanks I will report fully with info for 1st.
Time Kiev visitors as a thanks. There are some fine details which may seem trivial but will make a big difference as I plan this trip; ; ;
1) I have read of large bills of 500/600 just for drinks. I don't drink alcohol. Given I will be in the Rio club for 2/3 hours and assuming I will be taking a girl out will the following spend plan within the club be suitable for my time in there; entrance + 1 private dance +
100uah tip (is one tip enough to one manager?) +2 soft drinks. This would come to around 50 dollars per visit to the club. Also are the entrance fee / dance / drinks etc paid in dollars or uah?
2) for a 3 hour "take out" am I right in thinking you need to put 1 hour aside for travelling to and fro the club giving you 2 hours quality time with the girls?
3) would I look odd visiting the club 7 nights consecutively taking a girl out each night or is this normal with men on vacation and similar?
4) I have read some girls do not like walking in the kreshtacik road area due to police etc / most flats for rent are near this road / is this a problem or would you as a rule be getting a taxi to and from Rio?
5) finally I am planning 7 nights in Kiev does Rio have a lively atmosphere even on a Sunday / Monday / Tuesday as well as the weekends especially in relation to number of girls present?
6) many thanks mohabGuy that keep repeating themselves every week might as well as copy & paste. Copy & paste, because its all been said months ago.
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I'm afk this week. I want nothing but my telephone.
Do your own work.
A few months & this is like of course knowledge.
To much Russian Vodka thats all I can say. Forgive. Any contacts that are fake or provide unfair encounters, usually I discard the numbers & delete the contact. So if I mention that & someone is interested in my contact meeting, ask sooner. I won't hold cannon fodder links for long (yes someone else may get different results). & I will not pass over friends, or a woman I'm interested in. Regarding escorts & all the rest, from time to time I can assist. Lets hope the law of reciprocation can play a part.
(a lot of alcohol interferes with my vitamins___lol)Mixing lot of booze with a daily 20 mg Cialis pill is my high-energy diet in FSU. Works well for me. (wink)
Member #4243
11-09-11, 17:10
Ok so far I have stated I wish to visit Kiev for a new location and beautiful Russian and ukranian girls as a change to fkk land. In order to make the trip worthwhile I have come to the conclusion that 7 nights with 7 take outs for 3 hours at Rio would be the way to go.
Rio for its convenience and ease for a first time visitor to Kiev and hot babes. I am a mature student in the uk and before embarking on such a trip I have to account for and budget for every last dollar or uah I will spend. I do not have the luxury of being able to.
Throw an extra 100 dollars or 3 or 400 uah on unplanned expenses should they arise. For this reason I need to have a very clear idea of what I will or be expected to spend on extra's in Rio club. At the moment I have put aside a budget of around 50 dollars or approx.
500 uah to cover entrance, dance. One tip. 2 soft drinks. This times 7 visits to the club would amount to approx 350 dollars or around 200 pounds. This amount I can budget for and would deem acceptable for a few hours of fun in the club before I take a girl out.
However after reading some recent reports it seems you may need to tip 100 twice / buy girls drinks / possibly need to have more than one dance and that a drinks bill can reach 500/600 uah. Even though I don't drink alcohol the daily extra's total could easily be
Increased to 70 dollars into 7 visits this would amount 490 dollars or approx. 330 pounds. This is where the problem arises for me. Not only do I not have a budget to cover such an amount the whole economics of a visit to Kiev and Rio start not to add up when you
Break the costs down as compared to other destinations. I DO however want to visit Kiev and I DO love the Russian type girls AND there are dirt cheap flights from england. The advice I need from members especially liljoey is would my initial 50 dollar plan to include.
One 100 tip / one dance / entrance / soft drink not only work but be accepted by the management within Rio or even better is it possible to pay the entrance, have 1 or 2 soft drinks and take the girl of your choice out with NONE of the extras already mentioned.
Again a big thankyou for all feedback
Nille Copenhagen
11-09-11, 17:39
Guy that keep repeating themselves every week might as well as copy & paste. Copy & paste, because its all been said months ago.
YI won't mention any names.
Here we go again,
Same story in all forums, poor student with a small budget, wants to
Travel the world, looking for the best pussy but is not willing not pay the price.
I would also like to know where can I get best pussies in town with my €50 budget. LOL
Again I hope to visit Kiev in the hope of finding the most beautiful girls as a change to fkk world. My budget will not allow me to do a combination fkk / Kiev trip so I really want to get this right. Although my trip is a way off still as thanks I will report fully with info for 1st.
Time Kiev visitors as a thanks. There are some fine details which may seem trivial but will make a big difference as I plan this trip; ; ;
1) I have read of large bills of 500/600 just for drinks. I don't drink alcohol. Given I will be in the Rio club for 2/3 hours and assuming I will be taking a girl out will the following spend plan within the club be suitable for my time in there; entrance + 1 private dance +
100uah tip (is one tip enough to one manager?) +2 soft drinks. This would come to around 50 dollars per visit to the club. Also are the entrance fee / dance / drinks etc paid in dollars or uah?
2) for a 3 hour "take out" am I right in thinking you need to put 1 hour aside for travelling to and fro the club giving you 2 hours quality time with the girls?
3) would I look odd visiting the club 7 nights consecutively taking a girl out each night or is this normal with men on vacation and similar?
4) I have read some girls do not like walking in the kreshtacik road area due to police etc / most flats for rent are near this road / is this a problem or would you as a rule be getting a taxi to and from Rio?
5) finally I am planning 7 nights in Kiev does Rio have a lively atmosphere even on a Sunday / Monday / Tuesday as well as the weekends especially in relation to number of girls present?
6) many thanks mohabFrom the way you are writing and the simplistic questions you are asking, it seems that you have a difficulty assimilating the facts you know into a rational plan that incorporates adaptability to the known possible changing circumstances you might encounter. No amount of advice will assist you in actualizing a plan if you cannot adapt to the changing circumstances as they occur.
Bearing this in mind, there is a significant degree of likelihood that on some of the 7 nights of bliss that you are planning for in Rio, that you will fail to achieve your objective and will not take home a pretty girl from Rio those nights. Since you don't seem inclined to utilize the other alternatives in Kiev, this would likely mean no sex that day. It's hard to forecast what your Rio experience will be like, but this will be your first time, so plan to succeed, but be prepared for failure to occur sometimes, chiefly due to your seemingly rigid budgetary guidelines, and inability to see yourself adapting and deviating from those guidelines for the sake of scoring.
Mohab, you're not thinking clearly. You are proposing to go to Kiev and take girls from Rio on each of 7 consecutive nights at $300 a pop, and to spending no more than $50 (400 UAH) in Rio on the incidental other charges, because you consider bills of 500 or 600 UAH too large for your budget.
You seem to be aware that club admission is 100 UAH, that each private dance is 200 UAH, and that a tip to a manager should be 100 UAH. That's already the 400 UAH ($50) you have budgeted to allow yourself to spend, and you haven't even had a drink yet! But 500 UAH OR 600 UAH is too large a bill for your budget to accept. I assume you are aware of the likely cost of a soft drink or a juice or a tea or coffee or capuccino in the club might be anywhere between around $5 to $10, as you are not in a supermarket. So you will be in quite a quandary I suppose over whether to allow yourself to drink anything while you are there, or to exceed your budget and splurge on a Coca Cola.
But even assuming you can now see that your conclusion that 500 or 600 UAH is too large a bill for a night in Rio is a silly conclusion, although I have lost confidence that you will actually see this, what will happen if you want to see the line up in a different room where there is also another manager? I suppose you will have to not tip that second manager. And then what will happen if the girl asks for a drink? I suppose you will have to say "no" to her, because it will probably put your bill closer to 800 UAH or even 1000 UAH, and your budget simply won't allow that. So the girl will think you are a shit for not buying her a drink and she will certainly not go home with you.
Then since you have only budgeted for one private dance, you will not be able to have another private dance with a different girl, and you will have to invite the different girl to your table and speak to her quickly enough to be able to decide you like her and ask her to come home with you quickly enough so that she doesn't get the chance to ask you for a drink while in Rio. This is likely a disaster waiting to happen because you will not be availing yourself of the usual ways of checking out if a girl is good, since you are foregoing the private dance with her and you are hurrying the conversation to be able to get her to agree to come home with you before the issue of a drink for her comes up. This is not a relaxed and sensible way to choose a girl from whom you are trying to find out if she will be giving you a GFE experience. But who knows, you may have fool's luck on some of the nights and a good girl may fall into your lap.
Since it is not a guaranteed result that you will succeed in getting a good Rio girl to your apartment on all 7 nights, and because of the above considerations it is more than likely that you will not, it would seem even more important for a guy like you to listen to the advice about stopping off in cologne, germany on your way back from Kiev to london in order to even up the sex score and make up for any deficiencies that occurred in your Kiev trip in the arms of several fkk girls on that one day stop.
I must assume that before making your decision that your budget does not allow for an FKK stopover in Cologne Germany on your way back from Kiev to London, that you actually went on the websites for wizzair. Com and easyjet. Com and checked out the fare difference for your travel dates at the end of March 2012. If you had, you would have seen that it would involve less than an additional $50 in airfare to do the stop in Cologne. So it seems your inability to deviate from your budgetary decisions by even as little as $50 will again assure that you will fail to have even this final satisfaction of some good intensive fkk sex sessions, no matter what happens on your Kiev adventure.
Of course weekends are more lively than weeknights as in all the world over. Of course it takes time to travel from Rio to your apartment, so take a fucking taxi! What do you want the girl to do, walk a fucking half an hour in her high heels?
But the taxi from Rio will cost you 100 UAH. So there's your budget issue again. Maybe make an arrangement with a regular taxi driver to be your driver that you can call anytime at night if you need him, and then call and summon your own driver a few minutes before you are ready to leave Rio so he can be waiting at the nearby corner of the opera house for you and not directly in front of Rio so he doesn't get entangled with the taxi mafia in front of the club.
I could go on, but enough said.
You asked, is it normal to go to Rio for 7 consecutive nights in a row to take girls home for sex? Don't you know by now that none of us here on this board is normal? We are all sex mongers who enjoy fucking our way around different countries, so we would certainly be branded as deviates by the general population if they knew our purposes and intentions. Is it normal for a monger to go to Rio 7 nights in a row? But, of course! Welcome to the club!
LJ
Ok so far I have stated I wish to visit Kiev for a new location and beautiful Russian and ukranian girls as a change to fkk land. In order to make the trip worthwhile I have come to the conclusion that 7 nights with 7 take outs for 3 hours at Rio would be the way to go.
Rio for its convenience and ease for a first time visitor to Kiev and hot babes. I am a mature student in the uk and before embarking on such a trip I have to account for and budget for every last dollar or uah I will spend. I do not have the luxury of being able to.
Throw an extra 100 dollars or 3 or 400 uah on unplanned expenses should they arise. For this reason I need to have a very clear idea of what I will or be expected to spend on extra's in Rio club. At the moment I have put aside a budget of around 50 dollars or approx.
500 uah to cover entrance, dance. One tip. 2 soft drinks. This times 7 visits to the club would amount to approx 350 dollars or around 200 pounds. This amount I can budget for and would deem acceptable for a few hours of fun in the club before I take a girl out.
However after reading some recent reports it seems you may need to tip 100 twice / buy girls drinks / possibly need to have more than one dance and that a drinks bill can reach 500/600 uah. Even though I don't drink alcohol the daily extra's total could easily be
Increased to 70 dollars into 7 visits this would amount 490 dollars or approx. 330 pounds. This is where the problem arises for me. Not only do I not have a budget to cover such an amount the whole economics of a visit to Kiev and Rio start not to add up when you
Break the costs down as compared to other destinations. I DO however want to visit Kiev and I DO love the Russian type girls AND there are dirt cheap flights from england. The advice I need from members especially liljoey is would my initial 50 dollar plan to include.
One 100 tip / one dance / entrance / soft drink not only work but be accepted by the management within Rio or even better is it possible to pay the entrance, have 1 or 2 soft drinks and take the girl of your choice out with NONE of the extras already mentioned.
Again a big thankyou for all feedbackI hadn't seen this post when I wrote my initial response. You have noted some of the factors that show that $50 is not sufficient for functioning optimally in Rio on any given evening, even if everything goes right, because you will need additional than 400 UAH, in order to also buy yourself a soft drink, and possibly the girl a drink. You yourself have noted this, so why are you back to asking if it's possible to do it with 400 UAH per night at the end of your post?
The answer is no $50 which is 400 UAH will not suffice. That's only enough for the entrance, a tip to one manager, and one private dance. It will cost a little more for a soft drink for you. And a little more for a drink for the girl which MAY come up, but not always does. So a better estimate of the cost per night is a minimum of around 500 to 600 UAH. Then of course as you yourself noted, it may be necessary to go to a different room to see the line up there if the first line up doesn't present what you are looking for, and there may be the need for a second or third private dance.
I think that if you are so limited by budgetary concerns, that you should NOT dismiss the mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com options from daytime consideration. These options will allow for sex with a girl for possibly an hourly rate of 600 UAH ($75) or 800 UAH ($100) with discounts for multiple hours possible. Although it will take time and you may have to send away those girls whose appearance is not to your liking, it is probable that with some persistence you will have a hot ukrainian girl coming to your door, and the sex will be good. This sex will cost much less than at Rio and will lessen the strain on your budget.
I would also recommend that you lessen the number of nights you do take out at Rio to lower than 7 nights, so that you can have a better time of it on the other nights you do take out from there. What this means is that you should let yourself spend what is necessary to get the girl you want at Rio on the initial nights you go there, with the understanding that if the incidental costs are more than the minimums you budgeted for originally that you will simply eliminate one of the 7 nights for take out and the $300 take out fee plus the 600 UAH ($75) incidental fees associated with that 1 night at Rio will then be available to distribute over the other 6 nights there to pay for excess incidental costs. 6 great sex experiences (if you are lucky) is also a very good trip. The tension in your budget is caused by your straining to have 7 nights of take out. Just back it off to 6 nights of take out and you will be fine, it would seem.
Also, why not rent an apartment right next door or within 1 block of Rio, so that you can eliminate taxi costs, and it will not be too far for the girl to walk in high heels.
Lastly, I think you are making a mistake not considering the daytime stop in Cologne and a side trip to a nearby fkk in that area. You are familiar with the fkk experience. It is good and it is intense, far more intense than what you will have in Kiev. Even if you succeed in Kiev with all nights having a pretty girl come home with you, it is still much LESS sex than the same amount of time spent in the fkk. So the fkk is where you can stop off for the afternoon and bang 3 or 4 more girls until sexual exhaustion is achieved and get back to the airport for a 9pm flight to london gatwick on easyjet. Com. That's what I would do. The flights on wizzair. Com from Kiev zhulyany to cologne cost the same as Kiev zhulyany to london luton, so the only extra expense is the easyjet flight from cologne to london gatwick which is around 27. 99 Euro plus 11 Euro for 1 checked bag, or around a total of $55.
LJ
Member #4243
11-09-11, 22:02
Firstly to nile for your strange comment yes I do seek alot of info on these boards but I would hardly call 4 trips to frankfurt / 1 to zurich / 1 to berlin / 1 to cologne and dusseldorf the dreamer or whatever it is you are trying to imply that I am.
Anyway liljoey I will attempt to give you some intelligent feedback on your comments. Firstly the reason I am being so precise about what I can and cannot spend in Rio is because as you know I am still hoping to do this trip around end of March / April so with all my
Savings I have an exact budget of 2600 pounds english. To cover daily living expenses / appartment rental 70us / nite / whizz air luton / and 7 loads of take out at Rio. The 50 dollar plan would be ideal but you mentioned a figure of 600 uah which I think I may just be able to.
Meet. This in itself is good news as the Rio expenses barrier may have caused me to forget Kiev altogether. Mamba for me is a definite no. Due to not knowing what may or may not arrive at my door and also telephone calls etc. I always like a set up where I can see.
The girls first then choose. The whole point of going to Kiev for me is to find a type of beauty not commonly found in fkk clubs and also the whole Kiev experience is quite adventurous for me. Anything less than 7 encounters would deem the trip uneconomical for me.
As 7 take outs by 2 hours of quality time with the babes equals 14 hours making the voyage to Kiev breakeven in terms of money invested versus quality time with the girls. Also the reason why I cannot do a whizz air to koln as a stopover is simply because I will just
Not have the energy to do such a stopover. A normal trip is tiring enough for me as I have been recovering from some medical problems the last few years.anything longer than one day or night in fkk land would cause my budget to go through the roof. For now there are just two issues I need some feedback on? Out of seven nights for what possible reason
Might I not be able to take a girl out if I have a nice attitude and dollars as you said I may not be able to meet my 7 night take out goal? Finally having explained that I am in Kiev for real Russian beauties and mamba is not for me other options such as dlux / buddabar.
Agencies such as gia etc. None of these offer the same bang for buck as Rio does in terms of girl beauty levels and price compared / ie 300 dollars or 200 pounds for 2-3 hours versus very high nightclub rates or girls that are not as attractive in the escort agencies.
To put it bluntly having studied this forum I have concluded Rio is by far the best place to go to in Kiev and that is my main reason for coming to Kiev. what other options would you seriously consider LJ? (with relations to making it 6 nites instead of 7 i could do 6 nites with one of them being an allniter for 400 hence saving 200 dollars for drinks etc on other nites?)
I am reading the posts, laughing my ass off, and asking myself: can mongering get any more scientific and analytical than this! Like a "fucking" investment!
Oh well, while I am at it, I might as well throw my pitch.
Mohab: if you can't afford a 20% contingency in your travel budget, then this trip may not turn out to be as fun as you have imagined it. My analytical 2 cents for what it's worth. (and based on my prior travel experiences)
After all, it's all about you having fun and making the most out of your savings. Don't let the penny counting make you uptight about your trip, unless you enjoy planning the shit out of this trip. LOL.
If I were you (which I was back when I was also a student with a limited budget close to zero LOL) , I would re-work the plan and consider an alternate one (another destination, shortening the trip, fuck the hottest ukrainian in london all day with that budget, or.)
Anyways, I wish you luck and hope you have a blast. I can't wait to read your trip report with all the graphs. LOL
You asked, is it normal to go to Rio for 7 consecutive nights in a row to take girls home for sex? Don't you know by now that none of us here on this board is normal? We are all sex mongers who enjoy fucking our way around different countries, so we would certainly be branded as deviates by the general population if they knew our purposes and intentions. Is it normal for a monger to go to Rio 7 nights in a row? But, of course! Welcome to the club!
LJHere here!
Is it normal to go to a strip club and take a girl out for 7 night straights? No, but not for lack of desire! If Ukrainian guys had the time and money believe me they would be doing this 365 days a year! The girls won't find it morally surprising. They won't ask "wow, you want sex more than once a week?"
But really, I think this can work to your advantage. Treat the first girl well and tell her that you will be back for 6 more nights and would like some more fun. She will spread the word to her friends or will ask you to repeat with her (she will treat you better if she thinks she'll get repeat business). Treat the girls well and repeat visits pay off. So in this sense going 7 days in a row might mean your seventh night is way better than your first because girls will now you pay well and treat them right and will be competing for your business.
An unknown random guy is always a risk for girls at places with take out, because it's not uncommon for guys to be drunk and/or violent and do all kinds of crazy things to them. So a guy who just wants a GFE and will pay for the experience while treating the girl well is a guy these girls want to be with. Not to mention some of them will think you're rich to be able to do this all the time (as opposed to the drunk Ukrainian guy who does this once a year). So I say find a nice first girl who is an old timer at Rio, make sure you have drinks and good food (chocolate, fruit) at your apartment. Bring her back and talk to her over drinks for the first 45 minutes or so, then be nice and gentle while trying to get her excited (DATY, etc.). Then tell her you'll be going to Rio all week and want to sample other girls but my be with her again if things at Rio turn out well.
I think you can keep prices down if you work it this way. Show up at 10pm or so, tip (bribe) a manager for a table, check out the girls and see how they react to you. Get a private dance with not the hottest one but the one who reacts best to you. Take her back and do what I said before. By the next night I think you'll be getting propositions from girls when they see by 10:15pm I'd imagine. So you could probably skip the soda/private dance if you feel she'll provide good service (don't go for the cold fishes!)
I think you'll be happy with the results.
Member #4243
11-10-11, 03:49
Okay so now with all the feedback it finally seems that all the pieces of the jigsaw are starting to come together. With a careful advance budget done and appartment sorted I am convinced that a great time can be had in Kiev which can be just as good as any trip.
To germany with a little bit of luck. There is however one final thing which is bothering me and that is that little joey states that there is no guarantee that I will be able to get a good Rio girl 7 nights consecutively. If the club is open 7 nights a week, and all prior.
Planning is done combined with a nice attitude is there any specific reason or reasons as to why I may not be able to walk out with a girl on every night that I visit the club? Mohab
Firstly to nile for your strange comment yes I do seek alot of info on these boards but I would hardly call 4 trips to frankfurt / 1 to zurich / 1 to berlin / 1 to cologne and dusseldorf the dreamer or whatever it is you are trying to imply that I am.
Anyway liljoey I will attempt to give you some intelligent feedback on your comments. Firstly the reason I am being so precise about what I can and cannot spend in Rio is because as you know I am still hoping to do this trip around end of March / April so with all my
Savings I have an exact budget of 2600 pounds english. To cover daily living expenses / appartment rental 70us / nite / whizz air luton / and 7 loads of take out at Rio. The 50 dollar plan would be ideal but you mentioned a figure of 600 uah which I think I may just be able to.
Meet. This in itself is good news as the Rio expenses barrier may have caused me to forget Kiev altogether. Mamba for me is a definite no. Due to not knowing what may or may not arrive at my door and also telephone calls etc. I always like a set up where I can see.
The girls first then choose. The whole point of going to Kiev for me is to find a type of beauty not commonly found in fkk clubs and also the whole Kiev experience is quite adventurous for me. Anything less than 7 encounters would deem the trip uneconomical for me.
As 7 take outs by 2 hours of quality time with the babes equals 14 hours making the voyage to Kiev breakeven in terms of money invested versus quality time with the girls. Also the reason why I cannot do a whizz air to koln as a stopover is simply because I will just
Not have the energy to do such a stopover. A normal trip is tiring enough for me as I have been recovering from some medical problems the last few years. Anything longer than one day or night in fkk land would cause my budget to go through the roof. For now there are just two issues I need some feedback on? Out of seven nights for what possible reason
Might I not be able to take a girl out if I have a nice attitude and dollars as you said I may not be able to meet my 7 night take out goal? Finally having explained that I am in Kiev for real Russian beauties and mamba is not for me other options such as dlux / buddabar.
Agencies such as gia etc. None of these offer the same bang for buck as Rio does in terms of girl beauty levels and price compared / ie 300 dollars or 200 pounds for 2-3 hours versus very high nightclub rates or girls that are not as attractive in the escort agencies.
To put it bluntly having studied this forum I have concluded Rio is by far the best place to go to in Kiev and that is my main reason for coming to Kiev. What other options would you seriously consider LJ? (with relations to making it 6 nites instead of 7 I could do 6 nites with one of them being an allniter for 400 hence saving 200 dollars for drinks etc on other nites?) Mohab, when you engage in calculations of how to get the best cost per unit of fucking beauties, you have entered into one of my favorite areas (see my very first post) ___lol. I will entertain one more response on your particulars simply because a discussion of these details can open the eyes of some other newbies and will be informative to the members of the forum that don't know these facts and considerations thoroughly already.
So you say that your position is that it all begins with your calculation regarding the 7 nights of 2 hours of quality time with exceptional looking babes on a higher level of beauty than can be gotten in fkk land. We'll call this QFT = Quality Fucking Time. Ok? It's hard to get inside your head on this, but let's start with what you've said. You think that if you can get 14 hours of QFT it is worth it to you to spend the amount you estimated of ($300 x 7 =) $2100 for Rio "take out" costs, plus $350 ($50 x 7) you have allowed for incidental costs each night, for a total of $2450 USD (1540 GBP) for the 14 hours of QFT that week in Kiev, which is a rate of $175 USD / hour, or 110 GBP / hour. So this translates into you saying that, if you have to pay more than around $175 USD per hour (110 GBP per hour) for QFT, that it is not worth it to you.
To be quite honest, I don't think you will have any problem paying less than $175 USD per hour (110 GBP per hour) rates for great sex in Kiev. So stop worrying. At Rio, the rate is really $100 / hour, because it does not take an hour for the travel time. You anyway only need to exclude from the 3 hours the time taken to travel from Rio to your apartment, not the return trip. From the time of your departure from Rio with the girl, you should plan on being with her at your apartment within 10 minutes or less. That's all it should take by taxi to an apartment downtown, or to walk the block to your apartment if you rented nearby Rio. So if you considered it worthwhile to pay $350 you estimated for the girl when you thought you only had two hours with her, you should jump for joy to know that you have almost three hours with her for a cost outlay of what I estimate will more than likely be around $400 when you include the reasonable incidental expenses, which is around $133 / hour. That is $50 less than the $175 / hour you were happy paying for the 2 hours QFT as above.
But let's look at why you are so concerned with your budget that you seem willing to fuck up your whole Rio experience because you don't want to buy any girl a drink, or you don't want to pay for more than one private dance, or tip more than one manager. Is this ridiculous behavior really necessary because of your budget concerns? Let's take a look.
Other trip costs: We must add the costs for the Wizzair. Com flights from london at the end of March 2012, which if you go Thurs March 22 for example, and return Wednesday March 28 or Friday, March 30, can be booked currently for 90. 78 GBP ($154. 06). Add their 20 euro charge each way for 1 checked bag, so an additional 40 Euro is $55 USD. A person on a strict budget should be able to eat for less than $50 / day, so let's allocate another $350 for food for 7 days of the week. You have stated that your apartment rental will cost you $70 USD per night, which I assume you have researched and confirmed, so that adds ($70 x 7 =) $490 USD to the costs. [For the purposes of this comment, I shall assume that you have taken the good advice to rent an apartment near enough to Rio so that you can walk there and more importantly it is close enough to walk back with the girl in her high heels, to avoid having to deal with the taxi expenses, since your budget concerns are driving your decisions, and this would be what a person on a budget would try to do]. So since you will be mostly walking around Kiev downtown, we really should only allocate $50 total for taxis, which will be enough to cover your taxi to and from the airport (Zhulyany airport is very close to Kiev, not like Borispil which is 45 minute ride from Kiev) , and any other incidental taxis you might take. [You should get the number of a few reputable taxi companies in Kiev that have someone on phone who speaks English, and you will get much lower taxi prices that just flagging a taxi on the street. Locals only take taxis they order. Watch the Rio girls when they want to go home from your apartment, and see who they call. Better ask your apartment rental agency to give you the number of some reputable taxi companies you can call. ]
So for the "other expenses" I get a total of $155 airfare + $55 baggage charges + $350 food + $500 apartment + $50 taxis = $1110 USD (697 GBP). Adding this $1110 amount for other expenses to the $2450 of girl costs for QFT, totals $3560 USD, or a total of 2236 GBP. You said you have 2600 GBP at your disposal, so you have an extra 364 GBP according to the foregoing.
What expenses did I leave out? What am I missing, mohab? It seems like you have an extra 364 GBP ($580 USD) in your budget to allocate. That's plenty of money in your budget for all the incidental expenses necessary for proper mongering in Rio, including buying girls drinks as necessary, tipping the managers as necessary if you need to sit in different rooms to see the line ups there, and having whatever additional private dances as may be necessary, in case the one you dance with first doesn't end up being the right girl, or refuses to go home with you. For you to feel you don't want to take these necessary actions to monger successfully at Rio is foolish. For you to consider giving up on going to Kiev, as you wrote above, if it is necessary to spend a little extra than the minimum you estimated and to take these actions in order to be successful, is doubly foolish. What is the reason you seem willing to fuck up your whole Rio experience by limiting necessary mongering expenses? It's like sending a surgeon in to do an operation without his equipment. (Ok, its not like a surgeon__LOL). But why is this ridiculous behavior necessary for you? It's clearly not required by budget concerns according to the above expense analysis.
You need to get it into your head that you MUST BE FLEXIBLE! That means you must be prepared to do private dances with as many girls as it takes to find the girl you want to take home. Likewise, you must be prepared to buy her a drink if a situation arises in which if you don't buy her a drink she will think poorly of you, such as when she directly asks you to buy her a drink. The only graceful ways out that I thought of, is for you to be able to say at that moment,"would you like to go for a private dance, or have a drink instead?" [you can say this if you haven't gone for the private dance and you wanted to have one with her. ]. Most likely she will opt for the dance which earns her money. Or you can say,"why don't we not waste time here in the club, and instead let's go back to my apartment where I have drinks there we can enjoy." But you can only say this to a girl that you have already decided you want, and she has already said she does go out with customers. (and you'd better have something she likes to drink on hand at your apartment, or be ready to go with her in a taxi to the supermarket to buy something on the way to your apartment if this is your course). But If the drink for the girl comes up before that option develops, you will get stuck buying her a Baileys Irish Cream or some other girly drink whatever its cost. So you should prepare yourself to make the decision when and if it comes up, to either buy her the drink, or say no and to be ready to dismiss her, or tell her you need to go to the bathroom and will speak to her later, which is more graceful as an exit strategy. This drink issue may happen with more than one girl that you interview. So my point here is that you need to be prepared to buy a drink for more than one girl you may speak to. It won't happen every time, but it may happen sometimes. You should go into Rio with the intent to make the best decisions based on mongering considerations of getting the best girl, not on the budget concerns you express, since I've shown you above you may not have calculated the budget concerns correctly.
I am happy you see the sense of giving up on one night of the 7 nights of take out from Rio, so that the extra $350 to $400 that would have been spent on that night at Rio can be applied toward the incidental expenses on the other 6 nights at Rio, and so to relax the budgetary constrictions that were threatening to strangle your mongering experience at Rio. But your idea of doing an all night session for $400 and having some extra hours with a girl you like on one of those 6 nights is a good idea too. However, in the end based on my budget analysis, I don't believe it is necessary to give up one of the 7 nights for budget reasons since I calculated that you have an extra 364 GBP ($580 USD) in your budget to allocate towards girl drinks, private dances or tips, unless there are other expenses that I haven't taken into account.
Here are some other points of disagreement with your calculations:
1. I agree with you about mamba. Ru having the disadvantage of not being able to see in advance, but once the girl shows up you will see her, and if she's not good enough you can send her away. The problem here is not the not seeing her aspect, it is the time waste in doing this multiple times until you get to the girl who is good enough. And by many reports the guys on this forum are getting some hot girls this way. They are not all going to be way better than girls at the fkk's, but some will be as good, and the cost of 600 UAH ($75) or 800 UAH ($100) per hour is far below the cost unit that you appear to have stated you consider worth it to spend for QFT of $175 / hour, so it is definitely something to consider for sex during the daytime hours, as I have written many times. Remember, time waste is an entirely relative term. Since you are not going to be doing anything else for mongering during the daytime, since Rio is closed, as are the other nightclubs, and you've indicated you're not going to roam the streets, malls and shops to hit on girls for freebies, so what is the time waste? If you are sleepy, by all means sleep. But if you are up during part of the daytime, why not learn to mamba? __LOL.
2. What you say about stopping in cologne germany for a daytime romp in the fkk's there will send your budget through the roof, I disagree with. The flights on wizzair from Kiev zhulyany to cologne take off at 6am in the morning. The easyjet flights to london take off from cologne at around 9pm in between flights during that day, you have ample time for a foray into fkk land nearby. There is no overnight necessary, so no hotel cost. It's purely a daytime fkk excursion for one day. The cost for the extra easyjet flight with 1 bag checked is around $50. The sex costs in fkk's are well known to you. In the Cologne area the costs are lower than Frankfurt area for multiple hour sessions (check Hessen Bub's posting on rates in that thread). But even assuming a 75 euro admission, plus 50 Euro per half hour sessions, you can nail at least three girls for 225 euro ($305) during that afternoon, and go home with a smile on your face, in case you didn't get all you wanted in Kiev. So I would recommend that you consider replacing the 7th night of chasing tail in Rio, with a foray in fkk land costing around $355 ($305 fkk costs+ $50 flight) , which is a little less than what that one night in Rio will cost. It is certainly not correct to say that it would increase your budget to send it through the roof. The reason for you especially to consider doing this fkk adjustment to your plan, is that you may well not achieve the glorious results you hope for in Rio, and at least in fkk land you know how to achieve a satsifying end to your costly vacation.
Of course what you write about recovering from medical condition, such that you may not be physically up to fucking a few girls in one day in an fkk, I can have no comment on, but I wonder then about the wisdom of you going to Rio for 7 comnsecutive nights in order to spend all night fucking gorgeous 20 year olds from there in Kiev. Don't endanger your health because of budgetary concerns. Maybe consider spacing out your nights in Rio to every other night or do two nights then skip a night.
3. You may not like the Gia prices for one hour sessions at $180, but when it comes to 3 hour sessions, for some girls the prices are comparable to Rio. So take a hard look at the model's pictures, as there may be a few that can make the grade for you, and the service is GFE uncovered blowjobs with some of the girls as stated in the girl's profile on their website, which at Rio always remains a question. For the same reason, do not write off Buddha Bar girls, because you may be able to get some of them for $300 for two hours, and stipulate that it is two hours of time at the apartment, excluding travel time, which will be the same effective rate you are paying at Rio, and less because there would be no private dances or managers to tip etc.
4. You ask why I wrote you will fail to succeed in getting your dream girl 7 nights in a row from Rio? Because I failed many times, and many veterans failed, and we all failed sometimes at Rio. And that's people who have a lot of common sense and intuition about mongering in all sorts of situations and environments. Don't forget, you are not going to a candy shop to buy some candy. You are going after the most difficult creature to understand for a man, and by that I mean a woman. And to the foregoing difficulties, you must add the fact that you are truly a newbie and you display many of the traits of a newbie who just won't be able to understand until you have cut your teeth on the thing and had some actual experience. And I felt that you were also likely to fail on some nights because you were stacking the deck against yourself by predetermining that you were not going to do the helpful things that guys do in Rio to succeed because of some of your budget concerns, so you were going to exacerbate the problems you will have there. So statistically speaking I felt you will likely fail some of the nights. But any man who is experienced in going after women knows that failure is part of the process, and what you do when you fail is try to learn from it, and go forward from there. Don't get too upset about it. It's no big deal. It happens to all of us guys. And you keep at it until you succeed.
So the other alternatives to recommend to you are to revisit your previous conclusions through the eyes of the above analysis and you will find there the opportunities for a lot of fun that you have dismissed from consideration upon what I believe to be mistaken premises.
Now go and read Latexian's advice on how to handle yourself with the girls over and over again until you have memorized it and it is part of you, because i endorse every word, although if you refuse to buy a girl you like at Rio a drink because it is not within your budget there is no advice that can help.
LJ
Member #4274
11-10-11, 08:00
I am reading the posts, laughing my ass off, and asking myself: can mongering get any more scientific and analytical than this! Like a "fucking" investment!
Oh well, while I am at it, I might as well throw my pitch.
Mohab: if you can't afford a 20% contingency in your travel budget, then this trip may not turn out to be as fun as you have imagined it. My analytical 2 cents for what it's worth. (and based on my prior travel experiences)
After all, it's all about you having fun and making the most out of your savings. Don't let the penny counting make you uptight about your trip, unless you enjoy planning the shit out of this trip. LOL.
If I were you (which I was back when I was also a student with a limited budget close to zero LOL) , I would re-work the plan and consider an alternate one (another destination, shortening the trip, fuck the hottest ukrainian in london all day with that budget, or.)
Anyways, I wish you luck and hope you have a blast. I can't wait to read your trip report with all the graphs. LOLZebel, I could not agree more! Kyiv is an amazing city with so many unexpected opportunities at mongering, why would you want to plot and graph every moment of your trip? It completely kills the fun! I understand having questions and concerns but these posts are exhaustive and sterile.
StrongIntense
11-10-11, 12:37
Hello,
I would like to get some your advices and info re organizing a nice 3some me, my pretty girlfriend and another girl to hire.
I should be my first time in Kiev next December for 3 or 4 days.
Would you be so kind to indicate me a decent hotel in central area that allows easily to host a girl in afternoon / evening. Can you also suggest any girls / agency who provides a good couple service?
My idea of spendings is about 100-150 euro x night the room and about 50-100 euro / hr the girl. Are these reasonable figures?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Nille Copenhagen
11-10-11, 14:18
If you a stingy the girls will sense it and give bad service.
If you want her to make you happy need to keep her happy too.
Where in Germany do you recommend for Ukranian and Russian girls?Best club in Germany is the Golden Time in Bruggen (near the border to netherlands). They have other 3 clubs within an area of about 30 km, this Planet Happy garden, Villa Vertigo and Living Room. BUT Golden Time is the best! All others in Frankfurt, Munich, Berlin and Hamburg area are (for me) no good! Golden Time has about 60-100 girls on a good day and a lot of them a really hot ones.
Dear Kirch,
I tried to save you from some mistakes I made in my past visits by writing about them in my prior posts. However, you may be one of those fellows that needs to learn things by experience, which is the hard way.
Getting there too late at 2am:
One of the initial mistakes is thinking of Rio as a typical strip club. Most of us do our regular clubbing or bars first, and then at the end of the night, we possibly hit a strip club at 2am to be there for the last hour or so until closing to put us in good spirits before heading home. At least this is how most of my friends feel about it. However, in normal strip clubs you are simply going there for the entertainment value of the dances.
It is very different when "mongering" at Rio strip club in Kiev, because your purpose is not simply to see pretty girls dance, but rather to find an approriate girl to take home and have in your bed that night. For this you need time to complete your investigation of which girls are available (waiting for the line ups in each room to appear) and your interviews of each candidate (including inviting them to sit at your table, speaking with them and private dance with them). All the while, other men are doing the same, so as girls get chosen by others your own pool of possible candidates dwindles. Also since the closing time is 5am, and the girls want to return to the club to get their money usually, this means that after 2am you will have less than the normal three hours with the girl, and if you want the three hours for the $300 you must pay, the girl may not agree to stay with you longer than 5am, and you will therefore either not be able to take her that night, or you will be forced to compromise on the three hours time period and agree to pay $300 for less than three hours.
Therefore, at Rio, by 2am you need to already be in a position to make decisions about which girl or girls to ask home with you, and have alternatives in mind in case they say no, for whatever their reasons might be.
What all the foregoing means is that, if it is your intention to "monger" at Rio, which means you are aiming to take a dream girl home with you, you must arrive at Rio early enough in the evening in order to leave yourself sufficient time for the processes described above (investigation and interviewing). [Also its worthwhile to leave Rio with your girl some time before 2am, to allow for the possibility that the girl might stay with you in your apartment longer than the exact alotted three hours if she likes you and she will still be able to get back to club by 5am]. Not to mention that the later it gets in the evening, the more tired out the girls will tend to get, which will affect how she might perform and act at your apartment.
My feeling is that one should get to Rio around 10 or 11pm, so that you can complete the investigation and interview process and be able to make the invitation home by around 1am, or at the latest by 2am.
Wow! A 2000 bill and 2500 bill seems like quite a lot of bar spending. You must be doing a lot of drinking of high priced drinks there. I usually only order a green tea, or a cappucino, or a fresh juice, (a lot of alcohol interferes with my vitamins___lol) and some drinks for those girls I choose to buy drinks for, which will be for whatever they want within reason, like Bailey's or the like. I've never had a bill for my bar tab of over 1000, and many times get out of there with a 500 or 600 UAH bill. However, to each his own. If you enjoy drinking a lot of liquor, then of course it's ok. But just so you should know, the managers will like you even if you don't spend so much, as long as you give them a reasonable tip of at least 100 UAH each night when they assist you.
As for your observation that you have to look at the three separate line ups of girls in the club (the VIP line up; the upstairs inner and outer rooms line up; and the downstairs room line up) , yes, of course it is correct. But you would have known that from an even cursory review of the prior reports. So you learned from experience. Good.
Did you even make it to the downstairs room to see that line up, or did you only see the VIP and upstairs rooms line ups?
TANYA and ELVIRA.
I must say that I am a very big fan of the FKK's in Germany. I have written on this very subject, and believe that FKK's are better than Kiev with respect to low unit cost for sex with a guaranteed high level of GFE service, whereas in Kiev this is something GFE service (including uncovered BJ) is not guaranteed with any uniformity, and depends on the girl individually and your own skills and rapport with her.
But in all my visits to FKK World, Oase and Palace in the Frankfurt area, or in Goldentime in Vienna, I have never seen a girl on the level of beauty possessed by Tanya at Rio in Kiev. Tanya is smoking hot. In my personal rating system I felt Tanya was a 10, whereas Elvira I would have rated as an 8, if not maybe a bit lower. Tanya's truly pretty and beautiful face, coupled with her slender sexy really nicely shaped body, had me mesmerized. It was only the fact that when I first met her, she said dancer only, that I stopped trying for her, and wrote her off, just as I wrote off the amazing brunette 10, Nikita, dancer only ice queen.
The question I would ask you is whether it was confirmed to you, that Tanya does do "take out" and will accompany a customer home to their apartment for sex. Shortly after she just started working at the club, Tanya said dancer only. I was told by Tanya later in the year that she would go out with a client, but only to a nightclub. However, on my last trip the manager at VIP room said she does go out with customers, which I assume meant to their apartments, so I put her on the Rio list. But it is unconfirmed. Can you confirm whether Tanya said she would come home with you? Or did you not even go that far to ask her?
Wow! You passed on Tanya and took Elvira!
It goes to show you how different guys have different tastes. Or maybe it is a case of opposites attract, as Tanya is a gorgeous blonde, of whom there are many of similar type in Deutchland, whereas Elvira is a black haired little spitfire with a petite body but cute tush, who reminds me of a gypsy type.
I actually also considered taking out Elvira. Good to know that she pleased you. So much that it seems you took her out twice. She must have been good the first time, or was it because the hour was late and there was little other choice? I'm like that too. I tend to start liking a girl and taking her out multiple times.
LJHi Liljoey,
It's unbelivable how much you can write.
Yes, I totally agree with you what you wrote, but that how it is if you just have 4 days in Kiev. Next time I know better.
I have one new spot which is very good for daytime flirting. The University! A friend of us is Professor there and he invited us to go there and even we had lunch at the Mensa. LOTS of beautiful young students. But I think you need to have an invitation in order to get on the ground.
Regarding Tanya: She is beautiful! No question, but I need more Character in the face, she is too beautiful for my taste.
Elvira is great, not a suca! More a stierva Lady. She is very intelligent and we had a great time. But please understand that I don't want to post more.
There is another girl I didn't write about. And I won't because she doesn't go out but will with me next time (but for dinner and no money). Believe me that was 4 days work. She was sitting about 5 hours at my table (together in 4 nights) and I had some private dances. But here's my advice: I don't want to dance her. I dance together with her and look her in her eyes. I don't want her to undress. They get confused, believe me.
Nille Copenhagen
11-10-11, 17:57
Best club in Germany is the Golden Time in Bruggen (near the border to netherlands). They have other 3 clubs within an area of about 30 km, this Planet Happy garden, Villa Vertigo and Living Room. BUT Golden Time is the best! All others in Frankfurt, Munich, Berlin and Hamburg area are (for me) no good! Golden Time has about 60-100 girls on a good day and a lot of them a really hot ones.I must disagree here, GT is second best, Villa Vertigo is better in weekends Partytime with the girls, now the club Acapulco (I was there 2 week ago) is counting as a great club ladywise in NWR.
Palace and Oase are also great clubs in Hessen, and Artemis in Berlin why didn't you like these clubs?
Nille
Mixing lot of booze with a daily 20 mg Cialis pill is my high-energy diet in FSU. Works well for me. (wink)Prosal, you're displaying comic abilities. This in addition to the other skills will surely get the devushkas into your bed, unless you pass out first___LOL
Nille Copenhagen
11-10-11, 19:44
FFK VS Kiev Rio.
MY CONCLUSION: I think they both have their strong and weak points, so what I have done as a compromise, is to combine the two. I like to start in Frankfurt FKKs for a frenzied day or even two days, to get the edge off. And then, go to Kiev for the sex—weekend where the goal is to get the most beautiful girls possible to share my bed, and then return home by way of Frankfurt for a final FKK fling to bang as many hotties as is possible. So far, this approach has worked well for me. So that's probably what I'll do this time too.
LJGreat comparison LJ from your old post,
I just want to add at the FKK you can spend much time on pre-session for free
And you can perform or watch public sex.
FKK-Kiev-FKK that would be the ultimate tour.
Nille
Great comparison LJ from your old post,
I just want to add at the FKK you can spend much time on pre-session for free
And you can perform or watch public sex.
FKK-Kiev-FKK that would be the ultimate tour.
NilleNille, since I wrote that comparison report, I revised my opinion slightly based upon my own limitations. I found that after a day of crazy FKK sex banging 3 or 4 hotties, when I came to Kiev I was tired and couldn't leap into things as good as I wanted to (think: taking two hotties from Rio for a sexathon, or the like). So what I wrote later, is that for me it works best to go first to Kiev to do my best work with the most beautiful and sweet girls that I can (and sometimes I don't succeed in getting the girl I want due to certain mistakes I made, which creates deficiencies in the amount of sex I wanted to have) and then go to the FKK on the way home to do as much good sex as I am capable of and go home with a big smile and no regrets over some missed opportunities that didn't work out when I was in Kiev.
This trip I have planned for the weekend of November 24. 28, I will be not be taking my own advice, even though I believe in it, and on the way to Kiev I will stop for a few hours during the afternoon of November 24 in FKK Goldentime in Vienna to pay a visit to one awesome Romanian girl who I really can't get out of my mind (I wrote about her in my recent post regarding my October 25 visit to Goldentime). I will also stop at Goldentime again on my way home during my November 27 overnight in Vienna. The reason I am not following my own advice is that the prices on Austrian Airlines to Kiev dropped significantly a few weeks ago for the travel dates in question so I decided to book a trip, and their flights have a stop in Vienna anyway for no additional cost. So instead of just being in the airport on the way to Kiev, I decided to go to the FKK and spend time with that one girl that I liked very much (and not for the purpose of having sex to completion multiple times, although I don't know if I will be strong enough to resist temptation) , because I want to get to Kiev with all my strength intact, and tear into the honeys at Rio big time.
And yes, Kiev and then FKK land is a great combination, the way I see it. Others don't like the extra traveling, but I am stopping somewhere on my way home from Kiev anyway, so it might as well be in an fkk town like frankfurt (or vienna).
LJ
Member #4243
11-11-11, 06:45
Again it is not my stamina with regards to being with the girls that is an issue for me it is the travelling itself. I find even though I have a lot of stamina that it is the flying and travelling that wears me down so that even a 1 day stop in koln would mean less overall.
Sleep and exhaustion etc. Also I would not be relaxed with a 1 day stopover I would need at least 1 or 2 nights and hence this is why I say my budget would go over. The extra 360 or so pounds that you say are not accounted in my budget are basically for travel down.
To luton airport and a daily budget of not 50$ but in fact 80Ł or around 120 dollars. I always find it is best to overbudget slightly. However I am sure I could find some extra funds from this amount to make my time in Rio for girl drinks and so on alot more relaxed for.
Me and any girl I may meet. One of the main problems I am facing is that part of me is thinking sod it just go back to fkk land artemis berlin or the like and leave Kiev as it is unknown for me I cannot visualise it which makes making a decision more tricky. My personal.
Choice is to do either one location or another due to reasons already mentioned. To liljoey in particular can you sum up for me what it is exactly that Rio and Kiev as a whole can offer me that an fkk experience can't? Finally would a budget of around 700uah or Ł55.
Cover food / taxis / cigarettes ie daily living expenses in Kiev? (also to double check the three hours is from when you leave the club to the end of the time in your flat?ie not counting the travel time for the girl back to the club?the reason i ask is because i am sure
i read somewhere you should give the girl half an hour to get back to the club. a bit confusing) also there is no point for me to consider an agency such as gia as this can easily be done ie an outcall escort in the uk. the whole point is to experience a club take out
experience like at rio as this is not available in the uk.
I must disagree here, GT is second best, Villa Vertigo is better in weekends Partytime with the girls, now the club Acapulco (I was there 2 week ago) is counting as a great club ladywise in NWR.
Palace and Oase are also great clubs in Hessen, and Artemis in Berlin why didn't you like these clubs?
NilleIt's always a question of taste. Villa Vertigo is a really nice club but they don't have so many girls like Golden Time and not so much hotties! That's a fact. If you like really hot girls for good GFE se Golden Time is still the best. Acapulco for me is not good at all! Very old club, sometimes dirty and the girls are not very hot.
Palace, Oase and Artemis I don't like anymore. I used to like them in the good old days. But as I said I'm looking for 8-10 girls with very very good service. Check the ijsberenforum com and compare.
Again it is not my stamina with regards to being with the girls that is an issue for me it is the travelling itself. I find even though I have a lot of stamina that it is the flying and travelling that wears me down so that even a 1 day stop in koln would mean less overall.
Sleep and exhaustion etc. Also I would not be relaxed with a 1 day stopover I would need at least 1 or 2 nights and hence this is why I say my budget would go over. The extra 360 or so pounds that you say are not accounted in my budget are basically for travel down.
To luton airport and a daily budget of not 50$ but in fact 80Ł or around 120 dollars. I always find it is best to overbudget slightly. However I am sure I could find some extra funds from this amount to make my time in Rio for girl drinks and so on alot more relaxed for.
Me and any girl I may meet. One of the main problems I am facing is that part of me is thinking sod it just go back to fkk land artemis berlin or the like and leave Kiev as it is unknown for me I cannot visualise it which makes making a decision more tricky. My personal.
Choice is to do either one location or another due to reasons already mentioned. To liljoey in particular can you sum up for me what it is exactly that Rio and Kiev as a whole can offer me that an fkk experience can't? Finally would a budget of around 700uah or Ł55.
Cover food / taxis / cigarettes ie daily living expenses in Kiev? (also to double check the three hours is from when you leave the club to the end of the time in your flat? Ie not counting the travel time for the girl back to the club? The reason I ask is because I am sure.
I read somewhere you should give the girl half an hour to get back to the club. A bit confusing) also there is no point for me to consider an agency such as gia as this can easily be done ie an outcall escort in the uk. The whole point is to experience a club take out.
Experience like at Rio as this is not available in the uk.Mohab, we've covered the issue of Kiev vs FKK in a prior post I responded to you in. Take a look again at the quotes at the end of that post regarding that issue. Here's the link:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1197324&viewfull=1#post1197324
To what I've already written, I'll add that I understand what you mean about the special allure of a strip club environment. Most guys love it, and have always dreamed of being able to have sex with the awesome looking dancers in their home city strip clubs, but it's never possible unless perhaps one is prepared to shell out thousands of dollars for private room entertainment in some clubs. And some guys do go crazy in strip clubs and do pay those extremely high champagne room prices to try to get some small bit of action in a strip club, even though they know they could get an escort who looks just as good and will give them full GFE service for less than a third of the price. It's just something about the excitement and allure of the strip club that makes some guys go crazy there. The number of times I have attempted to get a stripper's number and get her to meet me for a date outside the club is countless. So I understand your enthusiasm for the strip club environment.
You are taking it a little more to an extreme than most guys by concluding that you only want to enjoy that strip club environment for your mongering in Kiev, to the point that you're not interested at all in any of the other similarly priced options in Kiev. Thus you reject consideration of gia-escort. Com models even if at the three hour date level the prices are equivalent to Rio prices, on the basis that you can have the experience of summoning an escort to your hotel room in London. The fact that you could NOT get in London anything approaching the high level of beauty of what's possible in Kiev for the price of $100 / hr is not significant to you, although to most guys it would be. You take the position that it is not the price, so much as the type of experience, that is important to you, and an outcall escort to your hotel / apartment is not what you're looking for in Kiev. Ok. That's your preference. Even hotties in a lounge bar like Buddha Bar where after midnight you will no doubt see a lot of really hot ladies who are working girls, is not what you want to pursue, even though with some good negotiations you might succeed in getting some of them to agree to prices similar to what is possible in Rio (if you assume you only get two hours out of the three for sex with the Rio girls for the $300). It's your prerogative to stick to the strip club experience if it's what you enjoy. And I understand and can relate to it. Likewise you are leaving to the side the consideration of trying for freebies in the shops, malls and streets of Kiev, which many love to pursue, but it takes time and is not guaranteed, so this too I understand, since you have a short trip to Kiev in mind.
My own reasons for preferring to go to Rio strip club in the evenings have already been stated in my prior posts. I feel the prices are better at Rio because I felt I'm getting three hours for $300, whereas the best I could do at Buddha Bar was two hours for $300. I was willing to consider Gia agency if I could find a model on their website who looks as good as a Rio stripper, because their three hour prices were similar to Rio's prices, AND many of their girls provide guaranteed GFE service (including uncovered oral). I have written to you about the possibilities for daytime action with hotties in Kiev at very inexpensive rates using mamba and other internet sites, and how it requires some time and persistence, pointing out that you may not be using the daytime anyway for more productive things, so why not? But you have said you're not interested in trying. So sleep, and recharge your body during the day, or do some sightseeing, and in the evening,"get ready to rumble."
Since you have eliminated all other Kiev options aside from the hotties at Rio strip club from your consideration, your question really boils down to comparing the FKK experience to the Rio strip club experience.
The simple answer is that in Rio the advantages to consider are that: First, it is possible, but not guaranteed, to score with Ukrainian girls some of whom are higher quality beauties than I've seen in fkk land (I should note regarding my taste, that in general I regard the eastern european look as more beautiful, than the swarthy darker Romanian / Bulgarian types that predominate in fkk land, although some of the Romanian girls I have been with in fkk's are screamingly hot) (note: furthermore, despite Kirch's recent comment about seeing girls as hot as Tanya of Rio at fkk goldentime bruggen, I have never seen such a girl at the fkk's I've been to, so my opinion is that at fkk's there are many 8's and some 9's and a few 10's but from the darker Romanian type girls not blondes like Ukrainian Tanya, and although I've seen hot blondes from Poland and Germany at fkk's they've been more like 8's and haven't been 10's) ; secondly, although the girls at Rio are often having sex with others, and are not pristine in their purity, they are far less "fucked over" than the hotties in fkk land who will typically have sex with 5 to 10 men every day; and thirdly the prices at Rio of $300 for three hours are slightly less than the prices for a similar amount of time in an fkk, and lastly the longer session of three hours with a Rio girl can make for a more GFE type experience to develop.
In fkk's the advantages are that: First, in fkk's the possibility of uncovered oral sex is pretty much guaranteed, whereas in Rio many girls only do covered blow jobs, although some do uncovered, and it depends on the girl; the other aspects of GFE service such as the friendliness and sweetness of the experience are much dependent on your own demeanor and the length of time you spend with a girl, so in the three hours with a Rio girl it is possible to build more of a relationship, than in a 30 minute session at an fkk, but to compare apples to apples, if you were to take three hours for a session with one girl in an fkk, I don't doubt that you would find yourself in the midst of a truly GFE experience, but then some girls at the fkk's are worn out and jaded and will provide shitty service no matter how much money you give them and how much time you spend with them, so you still need to interview and pick well in the fkk; secondly, in the fkk it is possible to take a shorter time unit with a girl, so the cash outlay for each sexual experience will be smaller than the three hours required for each girl at Rio. For many guys it's possible to do what's necessary to get your business done and satisfy your desires at a smaller cash outlay overall at an fkk because many guys don't need three hours of sex, and they can do three or four half hour sessions at an fkk and be very happy, and then the lower unit price possible at an fkk of 50 euro for half hour becomes a cost advantage, for those that like to suffice with half hour sessions.
However if comparing the cost of three hours of sex, Rio comes out to be the lower cost option. At fkk palace in frankfurt one would spend 75 euro entrance and 50 euro per half hour, for a total of 375 euro ($513 USD) for three hours of sex, which amounts to 125 euro / hour ($171 / hour). By way of comparison, in Rio, one typically might spend for the three hour session with the girl a total of $400, because to the $300 girl's fee, must be added the paltry entrance fee of 100 UAH ($12. 50 USD) , plus some manager tip (s) of 100 UAH, or dancer tips of 50 UAH, plus a couple of private dances at 200 UAH ($25) [plus the bar tab, but since you can buy drinks at an fkk too, I'm going to leave out the bar tab from the calculation]. So $400 spent at Rio, is a rate of $133 / hour, which is lower than the FKK cost of $171 / hour. BUT, the advantage at the fkk is that you don't have to use up your entire three hours with only one girl AND all at the same time. Instead, at the fkk you can spread this three hours out and use some of it with one girl, and then rest for a while, and use some more of the time with a different girl a little later, and so on, so one could typically have at least three hour long sessions, and even up to six half hour sessions with different girls spread over a full day and night spent at an fkk, which is many more times the amount of sex possible, than with a Rio girl in the one 3 hour session, where the best of us will probably just fuck her twice and have two sexual climaxes.
So the upshot is that fkk sex tends to be sport fucking, shorter and more intense sex sessions, whereas sex with Rio girls is a longer more luxurious drawn out process and necesarily has the greater potential for a romantic GFE experience.
I believe that you should not deny yourself the opportunity to experience Kiev. However, that said, I think that you might consider a shorter Kiev trip of three or four days, and conserve some of your 2600 GBP in order to make a three day trip at a different time to the fkk's. That way, you can experience Kiev enough to make up your mind if you want to have additional trips to Kiev after that. Most guys who have come to Kiev, have also been at FKK's, yet they still opt for Kiev. That should tell you something.
As to your other questions:
No, I have never given a girl a half hour off my three hours to travel the five minutes back to Rio club. It's ridiculous. I never saw it written, but whoever wrote it, must have lived a long ways from Rio. You however, are going to rent an apartment right near Rio so you can avoid taxi costs, right? At the very least rent in the downtown area, and the taxi ride is not more than five minutes to Rio.
I don't know the prices of cigarettes in Kiev as I don't smoke.
As to food, I assumed since you don't drink alcohol, that it was for religious reasons, as a Muslim. If this is true, it occurs to me that you might need a special plan for food if you also observe the requirement of eating halal food. I don't remember seeing much in the way of such offerings in Kiev, where they eat a lot of pork. So here is a recommendation that will help you lower your food costs and keep your budget down, even if you have this halal requirement. Obtain an insulated bag of the type used to keep food frozen or cold for picnics. They make them in all sizes out of canvas or nylon with insulation sown in. Get one that will fit inside your carry on or regular luggage that you travel with. Buy your halal meats in an already cooked or grilled form ready to eat, and double wrap it in plastic freezer bags, and freeze it at least overnight, then just before you leave for the airport, take it out of the freezer and pack it into your insulated picnic bag, and then put that inside your luggage. It should make the trip to Kiev frozen, no problem. Then when you arrive at your apartment, you can refrigerate your food, and heat it up as necessary in the microwave in your apartment. This way you will eat well and healthy in a manner you are used to even in Kiev. Simply visit the supermarket upon your arrival in Kiev and purchase any other items you might need for the week, such as water, juices, and vegetables and fruit, and bread and dairy products which they have a nice variety in Kiev. There is even a Shouk (bazaar) for a better selection of vegetables and fruit produce in Kiev located just next to the Billa supermarket at the lower end of Kreshatyk. You don't need to go to restaurants to eat. You can save a lot of money bringing the more expensive meat products with you frozen, and buying whatever else you need at the supermarket. Even if you don't need to eat halal, then it is still a good idea to eat at home rather than restaurants, since budget is a big concern for you, and you are not in a hotel with no choices, but rather in a fully equipped apartment, so why not make good use of it. If you like to go out sometimes, sure do it, but you don't need to budget $120 a day for food spending when you can do the above and eat just like you do when you are home. You're not needing to impress a girl and going on dates with freebies. So go eat pizza or pasta or other inexpensive things when you go out, and mainly eat at your apartment. You'll spend a fraction of the costs you budgeted for.
However, do follow the recommendations made to have things on hand at your apartment to be able to offer the girls you bring there, like orange juice or other juices, nice chocolates, and maybe a small bottle of Baileys Irish Cream, which the girls seem to like with ice and milk. I've had vodka and beer on hand and the girls don't touch it, and go for the orange juice instead. (If you want to wait on buying the Baileys because it has alcohol, then offer the Rio girl you take home to stop at a supermarket for 10 minutes to get stuff she likes to eat (they're usually hungry) and see if she wants anything like that when you're at the supermarket.
LJ
Nille Copenhagen
11-11-11, 18:43
It's always a question of taste. Villa Vertigo is a really nice club but they don't have so many girls like Golden Time and not so much hotties! That's a fact. If you like really hot girls for good GFE se Golden Time is still the best. Acapulco for me is not good at all! Very old club, sometimes dirty and the girls are not very hot.
Palace, Oase and Artemis I don't like anymore. I used to like them in the good old days. But as I said I'm looking for 8-10 girls with very very good service. Check the ijsberenforum com and compare.Ok Kirch, I don't when you visited GT, VV and ACA,
I toured all 3 clubs 2 weeks ago, and the line up was great, I would say VV, GT and ACA was comparable, I got the best time with 7 hot girls at VV. I went there twice. Then ACA came on second place (I don't like the ACA setup either but I was going for the girls) and then GT (actually I like GT and know many hot girls from the club, that's why it become a bit boring to me."The grass is greener on the other side")
I'm curios which FKK is your favorite then, I understand if you know / fuck regularly hot GFE girls in Kiev, then they would beat any FKK experiences. What I enjoy about FKK is I can be with with 10-15 different girls during a long weekend and get PSE GFE plus some extra.
But FKK is too easy, it's like put and take fishing, hunting girls is more fun and challenging.
Member #4243
11-11-11, 18:59
One of the most important points about Rio and Kiev that has always been on my mind is the fact that you DO get 3 hours with a lovely girl which in turn provides more opportunity for a more mental and physical connection if lady luck is on your side. This was one of
My main factors in finding Rio so appealing 1) the stunning type blondes not easily found in europe 2) and that for 100$ an hour with 3 hours there will be a really relaxed opportunity to make love and turn it more dirty should both parties wish where this may only be
Available in a fkk for 300 euros which is generally not the practice and even if I did book an fkk babe for 3 hours I would still not reach the level of intimacy that could be had in a cosy flat over a glass of wine for the girl and some soft music. IE A NEW EXPERIENCE!
With regards to me not drinking it has nothing to do with religious factors more to do with me going on a 9 year drink and recreational drug binge when younger and have since vowed never to go back and that stunning babes and music are now my drugs! The food.
Part was very funny too chopping up a cow putting it into deep freeze and whizz airing it! I would eat a horse if hungry but funny stuff! LOL.
Finally I am seriously considering your advice about the fkk / Kiev combination. I have found that if I cut Kiev to 5 days and 5 Rio take out's I may be able to take advantage of whizz air's dirt cheap connection to koln / stopping in a cheap hotel near samya and doing
Two nights in koln and two days at samya around 3 sessions of 75euro each day. This as already stated would be an incredible tour the best of east and west making full use of whizzair. My only worry is myself as I tend to not pace myself very well on such trips enjoying.
The normal nightclub scene too; finding I get too little sleep and generally exhausting myself out. I would really need to draw up a good sleep plan to do such a trip! LOL
Available in a fkk for 300 euros which is generally not the practice and even if I did book an fkk babe for 3 hours I would still not reach the level of intimacy that could be had in a cosy flat over a glass of wine for the girl and some soft music. IE A NEW EXPERIENCE!Just for the record, you can find Russian ethnic pros in Tashkent for some 100 us$ (at max) full night. Furthermore most of those girls are not jaded as in Kiev. Some are even capable for abandoning their "business goal" to have fun and go with you for free.
Nille Copenhagen
11-11-11, 19:20
LJ you are indeed a very patient man,
Haven't you discovered that Mr. Mohab is asking shit over and over again,
Many of us are tried of him the FKK forum.
He should learn to stand on his feet and learn from his own mistakes, that is call gaining experiences.
You have already provided him with tons of advices and yet he still come back for more.
Telling he is unsure, can't choose between FKK and Strip Clubs in Kiev.
He'll properly print out the posts and use them as reference when he try to score a hooker, LOL.
* buy sweets and fruits and drinks for the apartment, narhhh, don't have enough money, so he'll just take some vinegar mixing with water to make a nice Apéritif, cuts some leaves for snack, just like Mr. Bean!
* Tip the managers each 100 UAH, check!
* buying lapdances, check!
* buying girls drinks, nothing for himself, check!
* Max. 600 UAH, check!
* money for taxi or should he let the poor girls walk. Check!
@Mohab,
You should be able to manage yourself, all the FKK trips you claim you have been on already.
I wish you luck and I'm looking forward to read about your trip to Club RIO Kiev. If you ever get there.
One of the most important points about Rio and Kiev that has always been on my mind is the fact that you DO get 3 hours with a lovely girl which in turn provides more opportunity for a more mental and physical connection if lady luck is on your side. This was one of
My main factors in finding Rio so appealing 1) the stunning type blondes not easily found in europe 2) and that for 100$ an hour with 3 hours there will be a really relaxed opportunity to make love and turn it more dirty should both parties wish where this may only be
Available in a fkk for 300 euros which is generally not the practice and even if I did book an fkk babe for 3 hours I would still not reach the level of intimacy that could be had in a cosy flat over a glass of wine for the girl and some soft music. IE A NEW EXPERIENCE!
With regards to me not drinking it has nothing to do with religious factors more to do with me going on a 9 year drink and recreational drug binge when younger and have since vowed never to go back and that stunning babes and music are now my drugs! The food.
Part was very funny too chopping up a cow putting it into deep freeze and whizz airing it! I would eat a horse if hungry but funny stuff! LOL.
Finally I am seriously considering your advice about the fkk / Kiev combination. I have found that if I cut Kiev to 5 days and 5 Rio take out's I may be able to take advantage of whizz air's dirt cheap connection to koln / stopping in a cheap hotel near samya and doing
Two nights in koln and two days at samya around 3 sessions of 75euro each day. This as already stated would be an incredible tour the best of east and west making full use of whizzair. My only worry is myself as I tend to not pace myself very well on such trips enjoying.
The normal nightclub scene too; finding I get too little sleep and generally exhausting myself out. I would really need to draw up a good sleep plan to do such a trip! LOLIn Kiev, it's not only the blondes, it's also the awesome brunettes and hotties with black hair, but you'll see. Anyways, focus your attentions on the manner and methods of doing your best inside the Rio environment and not making some of the mistakes I wrote about, and take note of the bits of advice on how to relate to the girls found in prior posts like Latexian's response to you, and other posters, and you will increase your chances for success.
I'm glad to hear you can eat a horse when hungry and have no rules regarding food. Probably horse merat isd very cheap in Kiev, so this will not be a strain on your budget. But seriously, if you are on a budget, and you're not going after freebies, then you should eat at your apartment, and buy your provisions in Kiev when you arrive, and there's no need to splurge on restaurants every day and spend $120 on food daily, if the result is going to be that you can't feel free to buy a girl a drink or have another private dance at Rio because of budgetary concerns. What's more important food or sex? You can fill up at your apartment on healthful inexpensive food in Kiev, then go and spend your money on entertainment.
Likewise it's good you are starting to think outside the box and considering flexibilty in your plans.
Good luck.
LJ
Best club in Germany is the Golden Time in Bruggen (near the border to netherlands). They have other 3 clubs within an area of about 30 km, this Planet Happy garden, Villa Vertigo and Living Room. BUT Golden Time is the best! All others in Frankfurt, Munich, Berlin and Hamburg area are (for me) no good! Golden Time has about 60-100 girls on a good day and a lot of them a really hot ones.Villa Vertigo has potential, but for me nothing beats Oase. I have stopped visiting Golden Time.
Liljoey, just want to mention your great reports in this thread, thanks, has definately made me interested in Kiev.
/Q
Member #4243
11-12-11, 01:09
What more can I say!
Hello, My friends,
First I want to thank everyone especially LilJoey, kirch, Prosal, Hunter Dave and all the longtime mongers. Your experience and willingness to share them is deeply appreciated. I have been to Kiev once last December and may visit Kiev this January first week.
Q1. For those of you who have visited ukr after the new exchange rules were passed in October. Do you know whether there is any new restriction for withdrawing cash from ATM machines. I read that you have to show I'd to change any dollar or euro to grivna at bank branches? What about ATM. Can we still draw grivnas without restriction as earlier (pre October)?
Q2. Also will Rio be open around Christmas. I know lot of girls go home from Kiev back to the cities they come from? Is the monger season restricted around Christmas.
I have good luck with some of the websites like dosug but I was happy to be with 6-7s maybe couple of 8s in Kiev and odesa. I have been with one 9 in Nikolave.
This time I will try higher.
Many thanks for your help in advance.
Miscgk
Q1. For those of you who have visited ukr after the new exchange rules were passed in October. Do you know whether there is any new restriction for withdrawing cash from ATM machines. I read that you have to show I'd to change any dollar or euro to grivna at bank branches? What about ATM. Can we still draw grivnas without restriction as earlier (pre October)?
Odessa- I was in Odessa in the middle of October for 3 days None of the currency exchange places asked for my passport or any other form of ID
Kiev- then I traveled to Kiev for8 days I HAD TO SHOW MY PASSPORT every time I tried to exchange currency in one of the currency exchange places on Kreschatic.
Villa Vertigo has potential, but for me nothing beats Oase. I have stopped visiting Golden Time.I have been there last time one year ago. L`ll try again soon. It used to be my favorite one, may be it has changed again.
Villa Vertigo has potential, but for me nothing beats Oase. I have stopped visiting Golden Time.Are there web sites for Oase and Golden Time?
is this the web site for Golden Time? http://www.goldentime.at/english
Nille Copenhagen
11-12-11, 16:26
Are there web sites for Oase and Golden Time?
Is this the web site for Golden Time? http://www.goldentime.at/englishYour link to GT in Vienna, which is good too.
I'm referring to GT in Brüggen NRW
http://www.goldentime.de/
The place is not fancy or big, but there are many hot girls there.
When I'm in the area I always visit 2-3 clubs, GT, Villa Vertigo (my favorite) and ACA or LivingRoom or Dolce Vita.
GT and VV have Russian and Baltic girls too. Some of them are only there for a short time and went back.
Oase is in Friedrichsdorf-Burgholzhausen near Frankfurt.
http://www.fkk-oase.de/FKK-Oase
LJ you are indeed a very patient man,
Haven't you discovered that Mr. Mohab is asking shit over and over again,
Many of us are tried of him the FKK forum.
He should learn to stand on his feet and learn from his own mistakes, that is call gaining experiences.
You have already provided him with tons of advices and yet he still come back for more.
Telling he is unsure, can't choose between FKK and Strip Clubs in Kiev.
He'll properly print out the posts and use them as reference when he try to score a hooker, LOL.
* buy sweets and fruits and drinks for the apartment, narhhh, don't have enough money, so he'll just take some vinegar mixing with water to make a nice Apéritif, cuts some leaves for snack, just like Mr. Bean!
* Tip the managers each 100 UAH, check!
* buying lapdances, check!
* buying girls drinks, nothing for himself, check!
* Max. 600 UAH, check!
* money for taxi or should he let the poor girls walk. Check!
@Mohab,
You should be able to manage yourself, all the FKK trips you claim you have been on already.
I wish you luck and I'm looking forward to read about your trip to Club RIO Kiev. If you ever get there.Ha ha! Funny. Actually in respects to your coming adventures Mohab. It would be interesting to see how well you "cum" off from Rio. It would be interesting indeed as for me you have formed a kind of character (as others here) , so to read a report of what actions you decided would be most welcome. Infact if you do hit Kiev, pm me & I'll join you for a couple hours one night in Rio for a few drinks. You don't have to go f*ck crazy & spent all your hard earned, their is more to Kiev than just Rio. There is also my friend, the telephone! Call an escort for breakfast $100. Go for a walk get an hour massage for lunch $65 with a happy ending. Call another random escort in the evening, go visit there domain $100. If you don't like what you see go or call someone else. I'm sure that will handle one days activity & peace of mind on a short stay sex tour. Less than minimal effort.
Are there web sites for Oase and Golden Time?
Is this the web site for Golden Time? http://www.goldentime.at/englishNo, that's another golden time in austria. The german one is goldentime de and villavertigo de
CallSign Papa
11-13-11, 07:21
Hi Miscgk10
With regards to questions 2, most of the girls in Rio should still be in around in the week of Christmas. For Ukrainians / Russians, their big holiday is New Year and then Orthodox Christmas which is 7th January. Therefore you should Be ok up to the 30th December.
To be sure though, maybe ask little Joey, he might have the Rio girls staff roster for that week.
Hi Miscgk10
With regards to questions 2, most of the girls in Rio should still be in around in the week of Christmas. For Ukrainians / Russians, their big holiday is New Year and then Orthodox Christmas which is 7th January. Therefore you should Be ok up to the 30th December.
To be sure though, maybe ask little Joey, he might have the Rio girls staff roster for that week.No such luck, as even though I'm a good customer there and recognized by the managers when I come in to the club, they wouldn't confide such things in a customer. The most I could do is to call one of the managers who gave me their cellphone number and ask if they could check if a particular girl was in on a particular night. But I would never bother them for more. Rule of thumb is don't make a pest of yourself and you'll always be greeted with a smile. The list I devised of Rio girls was done by taking electronic notes in my phone when I saw each girl I liked and putting together notes I made over the several trips to Kiev this year. (I don't have the memory of a guy like basketcase in the fkk thread who used to give notes about many girls he saw in the fkk.)
LJ
No, that's another golden time in austria. The german one is goldentime de and villavertigo deVilla Vertigo has a webpage but there is another (blog) webpage "saunaclub com" where you can see the girls working there. Of course not always with face. And of course, due to Photoshop, not always like this in real.
Member #4243
11-13-11, 16:05
Without the patience of people like little joey I doubt any of my previous 7 fkk trips would have taken place. (I did report on my visits to oase and world in August) I feel that because Kiev is uncharted territory for me and that I cannot visualise what I will expect to see I may have.
Gone slightly over the top with gaing reassurances form little joey. But still as I have reported on my fkk trips no harm done. Some info which I am sure will make you happy nile is that Kiev is not the only forum I have been looking at as a fkk alternative but you will find
Me in Rio de janeiro and even macau. IMHO however the german fkk experience is hard to beat anywhere even though Kiev also sounds great. Mohab (also for nile i have not been active on the fkk thread for some months now)
Nille Copenhagen
11-13-11, 16:36
Without the patience of people like little joey I doubt any of my previous 7 fkk trips would have taken place. (I did report on my visits to oase and world in August) I feel that because Kiev is uncharted territory for me and that I cannot visualise what I will expect to see I may have.
Gone slightly over the top with gaing reassurances form little joey. But still as I have reported on my fkk trips no harm done. Some info which I am sure will make you happy nile is that Kiev is not the only forum I have been looking at as a fkk alternative but you will find
Me in Rio de janeiro and even macau. IMHO however the german fkk experience is hard to beat anywhere even though Kiev also sounds great. Mohab (also for nile I have not been active on the fkk thread for some months now) Hey Mohab,
I'm try to challenge you here,
Like other mongers we gain our experiences thru trial and errors.
Studying the ISG and asking advises from all the professors here in all the forums: FKK, Macau, Kiev, Brasil and so on,
Is like you going to school and study, which you claim are.
But everything is theory for you until you practice it a lot in real life.
Instead of being a poor, bad student and asking the same questions over and over again.
You should learn to stand on your own feet and face the new challenges with the girls no matter where.
My advise to you.
No matter where you monger East, West, North, South, the key to the girls are basicly the same.
FYI I'm going to Egypt soon for business. Salam.
Nille
No such luck, as even though I'm a good customer there and recognized by the managers when I come in to the club, they wouldn't confide such things in a customer. The most I could do is to call one of the managers who gave me their cellphone number and ask if they could check if a particular girl was in on a particular night. But I would never bother them for more. Rule of thumb is don't make a pest of yourself and you'll always be greeted with a smile. The list I devised of Rio girls was done by taking electronic notes in my phone when I saw each girl I liked and putting together notes I made over the several trips to Kiev this year. (I don't have the memory of a guy like basketcase in the fkk thread who used to give notes about many girls he saw in the fkk.)
LJThank you Muddy7, Callsign Papa and LilJoey.
I usually withdraw my cash in ukr from ATM machines. But after the I'd rule for changing US$ or Euro to grivnas (in October) not sure how that is working? Yes I am not surprised that currency exchange places will ask for ids.
When I meant Christmas I meant Orthodox Christmas (sorry about the confusion). I was there last year from December 24th to 30th, lots of action. I am not sure about January 1-10th.
No I do not meant to be nuisance anywhere by asking for Rio lineup. I will go in and check with my own eyes and ears if they are open.
Many thanks for all your help.
All of you and others I did not mention here are THE BEST.
Miscgk
Hei ciao mystery I'm from Thursday till Saturday in Kiev.
If you want to host me. Your more then welcome.Ciao Joe. It will be difficult for me this weekend to make contact. I have a date. But pm me your details & what you are looking to do in your time. If my date does not work out then I will be available. Best
Member #4243
11-14-11, 05:39
I haven't been to egypt for some years now but if you have the chance the top hotels such as nile hilton, intercontinental semiramis and sheraton etc may have some smokin hot Russian and arab high class tricks!
CallSign Papa
11-14-11, 20:35
Just pulling your chain buddy, if you really did have the rota for Rio, that would almost be as valuable as a CIA knock list.
Just pulling your chain buddy, if you really did have the rota for Rio, that would almost be as valuable as a CIA knock list.I understood that was your intent, and chose not to respond in kind. You'll have to be funnier in the future if you really want to get a rise out of me. By nature I do not like conflict, but do relish cleverness and wit.
I try to make my posts, yes even those to mohab recently, in a way that they can be useful to most newbies and the general readership.
So what is of actual importance to discuss is if a list or directory giving some insight about the hottest girls available in Rio, and service data concerning them, is helpful, since it might cut down on some of the time waiting for the line up, or interviewing, as one can always ask a manager about a particular girl one is interested in checking out and find out which bar she might be working in or even have her summoned to one's table sight unseen, and also if one meets a girl that one has already read some notes about, it can help in the decision making process.
I'm thinking some advance knowledge about the hottest girls can help clear away some of the confusion about who's who and what's what in the Rio club. My hope is that we can pool information and consolidate it on a girl list and it will benefit all going there. Of course, individual results with each girl may vary (YMMV as they say) , but some pre information is helpful as a starting point.
Just don't let it become obvious to any of the managers that there is an internet source for advance knowledge about girls working there, since the reaction is unknown, and there is a potential that they would prefer more secretiveness, than public advertising of the activities. Therefore, since anyone can access these pages, including LE, explicitness about particular dating activities should probably be avoided, in favor of more general observations about her appearance, and her "open mindedness" during the date or her friendliness and demeanor as a girlfriend experience. It's something we should have a discussion about. I posted a tentative hotties list with no details, but there was little reaction, other than Immy007's note to add two girls he felt made the cut, and your recent comment. So maybe there isn't interest in such a list. I don't know. I will observe how things play out and decide if service details should remain private, or if it's something there's a lot of general interest in and maybe update the list after my next trip. We'll see. For now it seems quiet in Kiev judging by this thread. So there's no urgency, and it's likely that over time details will change and become obsolete as girls come and go over time.
I wish they would finally re open Mandarin the sister club.
By the way, one of the girls on Mamba claims she is a stripper at the strip club Red Heat. Anyone know anything about that club or whether they allow take out etc?
LJ
Ciao Joe. It will be difficult for me this weekend to make contact. I have a date. But pm me your details & what you are looking to do in your time. If my date does not work out then I will be available. BestSorry mystery but do not have subscription for using PM. Any alternatives are welcome? My plans are first night sky bar with some girls from FB and the next day explore RIO.it's a must after all what has been written here.
By the way, one of the girls on Mamba claims she is a stripper at the strip club Red Heat. Anyone know anything about that club or whether they allow take out etc?
LJIts not near the center.
I have not been there.
Address : Petra Sahaidachnoho Street 10/5.
Phone : +380 635779188.
Internet : www.redheat.com.ua
this site has a map http://www.stripbars-online.net/ua/kiev/red-heat
Its not near the center.
I have not been there.
Address : Petra Sahaidachnoho Street 10/5.
Phone : +380 635779188.
Internet :
www.redheat.com.ua
This site has a map http://www.stripbars-online.net/ua/kiev/red-heatThanks. I found the same info by doing a simple google search. What I want to find out is whether Red Heat has take out, and at what prices, which is relevant as to whether it might be an alternative to Rio. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother to go there.
Hi,
Not been Kiev for few years but will be there June 2012 for football. Also flying to donetsk. Checked rental price and have quadrupled. Any advice on getting a reasonable priced apartment or hotel for both cities. Doesn't need to be centre as I am an experience metro and marchutka user
Thanks,
Monsoon64
Thanks. I found the same info by doing a simple google search. What I want to find out is whether Red Heat has take out, and at what prices, which is relevant as to whether it might be an alternative to Rio. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother to go there. From their website a private dance is $50 (400 hrn.) which is more expensive than Rio, although an "erotic massage" is just $60 or so (500 hrn.) for 30 min, which is so low it's hard to imagine what that could include. Take a look at the crazy menu on the website:
http://www.redheat.com.ua/blog/news
Although it does look like they have "erotic sushi" which from my understanding is a sushi roll served on the belly of a girl, with her belly button area acting as a dish to hold the soy sauce. You then eat it off of her. Definitely something I'd try just for grins.
I think this calls for more research!
Also you can get some kind of discount it looks like:
Discount!
Receive a coupon from "Red Heat"!
Send an email to redheat2011@mail.ru with the text "Aktsia" «Акция».
We are waiting for you!
There are some great reviews of strip clubs on this site written by locals (in Russian – use Google translate if you can't read Russian):
http://ebiteua.com/topic6423-stripkluby-kieva-miniobzor.html
Their information on Rio is the same as ours (30-40 girls, $300 for 2-3 hours takeout, about 75% of the girls do takeout, etc.) For Red Heat this is the only report (23/8/11):
Damn! What should I do? I had the idea to find out about "Red Heat" on Sagadachnogo. It turned out that it was a horrible idea! I've never seen such a dreadful place before. At the door a crocodile [ugly woman] came up to me in a police cap and began to explain how they have the coolest atmosphere and most beautiful girls. I'm not sure who she had in mind, as the lineup there was like streetwalkers but with dancing. "All inclusive" costs 2000 hryvnia for 1 hour at the club. I ended up not trying it, because the "Colonel" in the cap and with the tits of a hero-mother [an award given to mothers in the Soviet Union who gave birth to many children] eradicated all my sexual desire.
After going through that entire discussion I think Rio is the best option based on their reviews, both as a strip club (private dances are cheaper than elsewhere) and for takeout options.
From their website a private dance is $50 (400 hrn.) which is more expensive than Rio, although an "erotic massage" is just $60 or so (500 hrn.) for 30 min, which is so low it's hard to imagine what that could include. Take a look at the crazy menu on the website:
http://www.redheat.com.ua/blog/news
Although it does look like they have "erotic sushi" which from my understanding is a sushi roll served on the belly of a girl, with her belly button area acting as a dish to hold the soy sauce. You then eat it off of her. Definitely something I'd try just for grins.
I think this calls for more research!
Also you can get some kind of discount it looks like:
There are some great reviews of strip clubs on this site written by locals (in Russian – use Google translate if you can't read Russian) :
http://ebiteua.com/topic6423-stripkluby-kieva-miniobzor.html
Their information on Rio is the same as ours (30-40 girls, $300 for 2-3 hours takeout, about 75% of the girls do takeout, etc.) For Red Heat this is the only report (23/8/11) :
After going through that entire discussion I think Rio is the best option based on their reviews, both as a strip club (private dances are cheaper than elsewhere) and for takeout options.That review about Red Heat you cited made me recoil as I read it. Yet, my curiosity was initially aroused by the girl on mamba who said she was a dancer there and her pics on mamba were hot, at least a 7. 5, but they could be fake. Maybe I will meet the girl first and if she is good looking enough, I will follow up with a visit to her club when she is dancing there, so at least I can escape into her arms, if that "colonel" lady mentioned in the review comes after me.
As to what might be available there for the prices you cited, I would assume the 500 UAH for 30 minutes price for an erotic massage might be for what the local massage parlors call an erotic massage, I. E. A handjob. It is quite a bit more expensive than the erotic massage in massage parlors around town who ask for 350 UAH for an hour long erotic massage, which is double the time period. See for example the price list at Salon Dolly http://www.salondolly.com/index.php/en/TSenyi.html, but strip club prices are usually much higher in these types of things. But the review you cited said that 2000 UAH was the price for one hour "all inclusive" at the club. That's $250 for 1 hour. That's a ridiculously high price for an hour with an escort, but it is a strip club after all. What I am wondering about is how can they have "all inclusive" at the club? Judging by the pains the management at Rio takes to distance themselves from the actual "dating" of customers by their girls, which I assumed was because of LE, how can they get away with advertising it openly.
But the review you cited said that 2000 UAH was the price for one hour "all inclusive" at the club. That's $250 for 1 hour. That's a ridiculously high price for an hour with an escort, but it is a strip club after all. What I am wondering about is how can they have "all inclusive" at the club? Judging by the pains the management at Rio takes to distance themselves from the actual "dating" of customers by their girls, which I assumed was because of LE, how can they get away with advertising it openly.It's not advertised openly, that is what the guy reported he heard. There are many strip clubs in Moscow that allow sex-on-premises. Usually you pay the club ($50-$100) for a room a negotiate a price with a girl separately, although the girls often have agreed upon standard prices.
It's not advertised openly, that is what the guy reported he heard. There are many strip clubs in Moscow that allow sex-on-premises. Usually you pay the club ($50-$100) for a room a negotiate a price with a girl separately, although the girls often have agreed upon standard prices.Those prices of $250 / hr are what you might get pitched a a nightclub, but unless the girls at such places are true 10's, there's nothing to think abou, t when for another $50 you can get 3 hours with a girl from Rio.
AColonizer
11-18-11, 18:54
Hey, I understand Kiev is spoilt and girls are expensive like in Western Europe, but don't you think to be stupid paying those high rates?
Hey, I understand Kiev is spoilt and girls are expensive like in Western Europe, but don't you think to be stupid paying those high rates?Lets take an example. New "Bmw" is half the cost in Germany like in Scandinavia. The reason for that, goverment have high enviroment taxes etc.
Now the car is the same but you pay half the price in Germany.
In this case cost of living shoud be the issue, thowards how much the price level shoud be. Now I never have been in Ukraine and its not for me to say, but first impression its highly overpricet.
Now will it make me from going this summer to Kiev after football 2012. No. Unfortunatley I will be one of those stupid guys that pay 300 or 400 or even 500.
For me its not about having sex with all of dievuskas. I am young and rly not bad looking! From the people I know, no one coud even think of I buy sex. Since girls actully kinda like me.
Thowards mongering. Only thing I know I love it, its like a drug and am addicted. Yes am willing to pay the price.
Hey, I understand Kiev is spoilt and girls are expensive like in Western Europe, but don't you think to be stupid paying those high rates?Of course, but what do you expect? Prices at strip clubs are always extreme.
The only advantage to doing the deed on premises is the standard rate is often less because it might be just 30 minutes. So in Moscow at least the offer is usually $300 or so for 30 min, or $500 take out (with some negotiation possible).
Hi all. New here.
I'm traveling to Kyiv next week for an emergency family visit, and it will be only the 3rd time I've been there (previous two I did not have the opportunities to explore fun). I've been reading several posts in this forum, but all I've seen (for the most part) is related to clubs.
I found a site (escort-models. Com) where they have gals offering services for around 80 euros. Not sure if someone has already asked and / or a discussion on this has been made. If so, I apologize for asking a repetitive question: Is this site legit?
I will be likely staying on Kreschatik, as I find it more comfortable than anywhere else. Most of my time will be spent in the West Bank, but I will be enjoying the beautiful center for a couple of days.
Also, I've heard you can find some little' hotties at Gidro. But what about this time of year, and is there a preferred etiquette?
Thanks in advance.
Hi all. New here.
I'm traveling to Kyiv next week for an emergency family visit, and it will be only the 3rd time I've been there (previous two I did not have the opportunities to explore fun). I've been reading several posts in this forum, but all I've seen (for the most part) is related to clubs.
I found a site (escort-models. Com) where they have gals offering services for around 80 euros. Not sure if someone has already asked and / or a discussion on this has been made. If so, I apologize for asking a repetitive question: Is this site legit?
I will be likely staying on Kreschatik, as I find it more comfortable than anywhere else. Most of my time will be spent in the West Bank, but I will be enjoying the beautiful center for a couple of days.
Also, I've heard you can find some little' hotties at Gidro. But what about this time of year, and is there a preferred etiquette?
Thanks in advance.Hey Tumblweed,
I am currently in Kiev and I have not used escort-models. Com but I have used top-modals. Com. I was very impressed with the girl who came, however she was not the one in the picture I believe. Although, with any online source the pictures are not to be trusted. I would say like many other things, with more money comes better quality. You will see on the site that the girls are offered at different prices. I settled on a 1000UAH girl to ensure that she would be worth it. Indeed, she was a great girl.
If you are looking for a sure thing it is best to visit the strip club Rio. The prices are very steep and non negotiable but the quality is unmatched. Also, just cruising the nightclubs like D'Lux and Budha bar you will find some nice quality that you can pick and choose from. Negotiating in night clubs is easy.
AColonizer
11-19-11, 14:20
I expect males use their brains instead of their dickheads to deal a business because when there is money, gifts, a something exchange, that is just a business only.
I know you think to be right and on the right way, but I am sure the same girl asks 300$ for easy sex for one hour in Moscow with you (for example) , that same girl asks 50$ to have double pussy and ass deep fisting by a disgusting old man. Therefore that way to deal a business is stupid absolutely with no exceptions.
The problem is not the quantity of money men can pay but the problem is the result men have got.
Moscow is not for fucking prostitutes but it is for fucking normal girls. Kiev is in the middle between the past and the future.
If you look for a post of mine with a picture, you see a Romanian super-bi* working in Italy and for 50/75 euros she does everything for one hour any perversions you (and your friends together) can imagine, for 250 euros she does everything for a night any perversions you (and your friends together) can imagine. And when Ukrainian prostitutes weren't banned from Italy, they were young, beautiful, smart, piggish and cheaper than prostitutes in Kiev.
I thought to find somebody better in their countries of origin BUT I have realized the best ones are / were near my home. So I am sure the same for you, you have to improve your negotiating skills only.
The problem is different if you want to live in a harem and enjoy a 24-hour / day sex. I read through Internet most mongers are moving to Thailand and nearby countries because prices are still very cheap in those countries.
Economical crisis is hitting in all over the world and the next global recession is at the door. Nontheless Russian prostitutes and their pimps are so stupid to increase prices and decrease quality, and a lot of mongers are much more stupid to pay those prices for a condomed pussy fucking. Meanwhile a lot of mongers are moving to places with lower prices and a higher quality.
I like sex and I was very curious about prostitution because it is a way to understand the real nature of males and females. Now I know very well prostitution and female's mindset but I haven't become a sex / female addicted and I keep my common sense nontheless this shitting world. But remember, common sense doesn't mean to be a smiling gentleman!
Of course, but what do you expect? Prices at strip clubs are always extreme.
The only advantage to doing the deed on premises is the standard rate is often less because it might be just 30 minutes. So in Moscow at least the offer is usually $300 or so for 30 min, or $500 take out (with some negotiation possible).
CallSign Papa
11-19-11, 15:19
You bring up an interesting point Tomux 22. Just like the prices for food, hotels and apartments, girls you rent by the hour will also go up markedly too. That's to be expected though and clearly, for most of us who've experience the best and worst of Kiev, we're unlikely to be returning until a good few weeks after the last ball has been kicked.
But given this pre-tournament inflation of prices, I'm wondering what will happen once the crowds leave and demand is greatly reduced. There are two points here:
1) There is a great probability that Kiev (heretofore a relatively quiet gem in EE) will become a much more popular destination for guys due to the high quality and quantity of poontang. This would play into the hands of those girls who are reluctant to reduce their inflated tournament rates.
2) If the girls of Rio and those high end clubs (D'Lux et al) get used to the increase in prices, it may well be a return to "grass roots" mongering more akin to my first visits there in 2004/5 (going to "normal" bars", using a bit of game and seeing how far that takes you).
I just think it's optimistic in the extreme to expect prices to drop back to pre-tournament levels, but then I'm a glass half empty kinda guy these days.
Mamba, Rio, facebook, buddha bar, skybar, Okey bar, Shooters, D'Lux, Arena and McDonalds at Khreshchyatyk. Simply I was impressed!
In 2 nights and 1 day I met one beautiful girl from Rio. But 300$ for 2-3hrs or 400$ if you take her out at early evening for no kissing (no, no. Activity kind of amazing girl) is a no go.
Therefore I went to shooters but it was chaotic full of guys having a party so I moved on to Arena. Same story as Rio finally I ended up at D'Lux. WoW this was fantastic (music, space and girls). After several tentative to find someone who speaks english I find two girls (Kristina and Nastya) dancing drinking and. Kissing! Finally we ended up in my hotel and in the morning I found out. 100$ each. For a great night of fun, flirt and. .
After some sleep and business meetings I was alone, hungry so walking down Khreshchyatyk I enter Mc Donalds, the door to the paradise. Hundreds of beautiful girls going in and out (students, street walkers, whatever girls) I was just impressed and after grabbing a coffee and a cake I sit down on a round table with 3 girls. I started to do my phone calls my emails and no attention to them but I saw how they were smiling to me and talking. After a while I asked if they speak english. One, Iryna, blond hot tall and tiny started to tell me that she and her girlfriend just finished lesson at the university and bla bla bla. Till mentioning about the fact that they are living together far away (1hr by train) from the city. As we were talking about the nightlife in Kiev (buddha bar, sky bar, the'lux) she was becoming more and more interested. At a certain point she told me that it was nice to have a conversation in english but their train is living in 10min even if she would stay but now she needs to go home with their girlfriends. I asked her where the problem is I will pay her later a taxi and we can have good party night together. She smiled talked to the other two. And she said ok but we stay all three. Ok, no problem! So from there we moved on and they show me St Andrew's Church than we went back to my hotel so that I could change from business to party animal and from there on we went to okey bar for aperň than to next door to buddha bar. First to the restaurant, than up to the bar. Dancing dancing. Whiskey. Gin tonics. And so much fun. We moved on to sky bar, nice people but too small, so we decided to go to discover the'lux again. And this was again "Number One" let me say. There the 2 ladies find some friends and I and Iryna find the way to my hotel. No comment from that moment onward but I will remember it for a long long time.
Making long story short: the most beautiful girls have high cost but low results and the casual encounters are amazing with high social and fun factor!
Member #4274
11-20-11, 18:42
Mamba, Rio, facebook, buddha bar, skybar, Okey bar, Shooters, D'Lux, Arena and Mc Donalds@Khreshchyatyk. Simply I was impressed!
In 2 nights and 1 day I met one beautiful girl from Rio. But 300$ for 2-3hrs or 400$ if you take her out at early evening for no kissing (no, no. Activity kind of amazing girl) is a no go.
Therefore I went to shooters but it was chaotic full of guys having a party so I moved on to Arena. Same story as Rio finally I ended up at D'Lux. WoW this was fantastic (music, space and girls). After several tentative to find someone who speaks english I find two girls (Kristina and Nastya) dancing drinking and. Kissing! Finally we ended up in my hotel and in the morning I found out. 100$ each. For a great night of fun, flirt and. .
After some sleep and business meetings I was alone, hungry so walking down Khreshchyatyk I enter Mc Donalds, the door to the paradise. Hundreds of beautiful girls going in and out (students, street walkers, whatever girls) I was just impressed and after grabbing a coffee and a cake I sit down on a round table with 3 girls. I started to do my phone calls my emails and no attention to them but I saw how they were smiling to me and talking. After a while I asked if they speak english. One, Iryna, blond hot tall and tiny started to tell me that she and her girlfriend just finished lesson at the university and bla bla bla. Till mentioning about the fact that they are living together far away (1hr by train) from the city. As we were talking about the nightlife in Kiev (buddha bar, sky bar, the'lux) she was becoming more and more interested. At a certain point she told me that it was nice to have a conversation in english but their train is living in 10min even if she would stay but now she needs to go home with their girlfriends. I asked her where the problem is I will pay her later a taxi and we can have good party night together. She smiled talked to the other two. And she said ok but we stay all three. Ok, no problem! So from there we moved on and they show me St Andrew's Church than we went back to my hotel so that I could change from business to party animal and from there on we went to okey bar for aperň than to next door to buddha bar. First to the restaurant, than up to the bar. Dancing dancing. Whiskey. Gin tonics. And so much fun. We moved on to sky bar, nice people but too small, so we decided to go to discover the'lux again. And this was again "Number One" let me say. There the 2 ladies find some friends and I and Iryna find the way to my hotel. No comment from that moment onward but I will remember it for a long long time.
Making long story short: the most beautiful girls have high cost but low results and the casual encounters are amazing with high social and fun factor!Good post, Joe Bi! Its good to read someone actually out and enjoying life in Kiev outside of Rio nightclub. You would think from reading this forum Rio was the only option in Kiev but it is not at all. In fact, I still think your way of doing things is far more entertaining and rewarding. With a little sense of adventure, style and character one can have a really time in one of Eastern Europe's great cities.
Ok, today a friend a me booked again Kiev. Flights for free (enough miles with Lufthansa) and USD 95 each for a huge 2 bedroom apartment. When I got the reservation I was confused because I know the address. Well, it's the net house to Rio! YEAHHHAAA! This is going to be fun!
Full program already so I hope we have time for Rio. In case anybody else is there, we are 2 nice German guys.
Thanksgiving weekend (November 24 --28)
I will be utilizing the long holiday from work on Thanksgiving weekend (November 24 -- 28) to celebrate the American holiday on which the traditional turkey is eaten, in my own special way, by traveling to Kiev, with a stopover in Vienna. Although many like the breast of the Turkey for its clean white meat with lower fat content, I have always been more partial to the dark meat of the turkey thighs. Perhaps there is a connection, or perhaps not. But, when it comes to women, I am definitely drawn to look first and evaluate the sexiness of a girl's flat stomach combined with the beautiful curve of her ass, and then my eyes drift to her luxurious thighs and legs. If they are in the finest form, the rush of sexual feelings toward that girl begins, and can continue to intensify even more, if her face is pretty too. The female breasts are the "pičce de résistance" of her femininity, but I am not the sort who needs them to be big, and I am very often quite drawn to women who have medium or even modest breasts, like the lithe bodies most dancers have. Yes, I know there are many guys, who fixate first on a woman's breasts, just as there are those who crave the white meat of the Turkey's breasts. But I am an "ass man", always have been, and always will be. I like the dark meat of the Turkey thigh, and I love the curve of a woman's hips and thighs even more.
And so on Thanksgiving, this Thursday, as my fellow Americans dine on traditional turkey dinners all across the land, ensconced amongst family and friends, I shall conduct my own version of this celebration, and shall dine on the lovely thighs of Joanna, a most delicious treat. She is a girl of whom I have dreamed ever since my sizzling hot meeting with her during my stopover at FKK Goldentime in Vienna on my way home from my last trip to Kiev in October.
Mmmmm. DATY with Joanna. What an appetizer! I am thinking of her most amazing body, flat stomach, really the sexiest ass, amazing curves, a perfectly shaped pussy that would bring any living man's motor to a roar, a tall and svelte young woman, very pretty of face, with long black gorgeous hair, a true cover girl, surely one of the finest females that Romania has offered to the denizens of fkk--land in a long while. And my dreams are filled with images of slamming that beautiful girl, but good, in every way and position that I can think of. I'm quite sure I will never be able to live up to the "Me" in my dreams, but it has been such great fun thinking about what I want to do with her, as I contemplate my trip this weekend. If she's not there at the club when I visit Goldentime, I will be royally disappointed. Then I will just have to find someone else to console myself with -- and there are many hotties walking around the Goldentime club.
I land in Vienna at 8:30am and my flight to Kiev departs Vienna at 5:50pm, so I figure I have about 4 hours to spend at Goldentime on Thursday, from their 11am opening time until about 3pm, when I must leave to get back to the airport. It is surely enough time to get into serious entanglements with the women there. However, I have promised myself not to go crazy on Thursday at FKK Goldentime trying to finish multiple times. Rather, my plan is to take it easy, and only session with the creme de la creme there, maybe for one or two longer sessions. I want to save my best energies for Thursday night in Kiev.
I will have three nights in Kiev (Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights) , and then I will head back to Vienna on Sunday November 17 for a final overnight there. My plan for Kiev involves the long list of quite a few numbers I got off of mamba. Ru for girls whose pictures look great and I can't decide if they might be totally fake or not, but am intrigued enough to investigate, as well as the hotties at Rio that I have identified as worthy previously. I am going to try to succeed in finally getting one of the Rio girls to spend the day with me on Friday or Saturday, and if I achieve that, it will be better than unknown mamba girls showing up. I am hoping to have a memorable trip to Kiev again, and then to finish off the weekend with a romp to remember at FKK Goldentime in Vienna on Sunday night, or perhaps try out some of the laufhaus establishments I have noted on the kontaktbazar. At.
Happy T-day Mongering to all.
LJ
Member #4243
11-23-11, 05:45
For all the advice have a blast lj!
Hey Joey, welcome to Kyiv! I'm arriving Saturday, guess you'll be busy. But if you want a chat let me know. Same number.
Got a stack of work on this time, but always time for fun. Esp as the GF is away!
Knight.
Thanksgiving weekend (November 24. 28)
I will be utilizing the long holiday from work on Thanksgiving weekend (November 24. 28) to celebrate the American holiday on which the traditional turkey is eaten, in my own special way, by traveling to Kiev, with a stopover in Vienna. Although many like the breast of the Turkey for its clean white meat with lower fat content, I have always been more partial to the dark meat of the turkey thighs. Perhaps there is a connection, or perhaps not. But, when it comes to women, I am definitely drawn to look first and evaluate the sexiness of a girl's flat stomach combined with the beautiful curve of her ass, and then my eyes drift to her luxurious thighs and legs. If they are in the finest form, the rush of sexual feelings toward that girl begins, and can continue to intensify even more, if her face is pretty too. The female breasts are the "pičce de areésistance" of her femininity, but I am not the sort who needs them to be big, and I am very often quite drawn to women who have medium or even modest breasts, like the lithe bodies most dancers have. Yes, I know there are many guys, who fixate first on a woman's breasts, just as there are those who crave the white meat of the Turkey's breasts. But I am an "ass man", always have been, and always will be. I like the dark meat of the Turkey thigh, and I love the curve of a woman's hips and thighs even more.
And so on Thanksgiving, this Thursday, as my fellow Americans dine on traditional turkey dinners all across the land, ensconced amongst family and friends, I shall conduct my own version of this celebration, and shall dine on the lovely thighs of Joanna, a most delicious treat. She is a girl of whom I have dreamed ever since my sizzling hot meeting with her during my stopover at FKK Goldentime in Vienna on my way home from my last trip to Kiev in October.
Mmmmm. DATY with Joanna. What an appetizer! I am thinking of her most amazing body, flat stomach, really the sexiest ass, amazing curves, a perfectly shaped pussy that would bring any living man's motor to a roar, a tall and svelte young woman, very pretty of face, with long black gorgeous hair, a true cover girl, surely one of the finest females that Romania has offered to the denizens of fkk-land in a long while. And my dreams are filled with images of slamming that beautiful girl, but good, in every way and position that I can think of. I'm quite sure I will never be able to live up to the "Me" in my dreams, but it has been such great fun thinking about what I want to do with her, as I contemplate my trip this weekend. If she's not there at the club when I visit Goldentime, I will be royally disappointed. Then I will just have to find someone else to console myself with. And there are many hotties walking around the Goldentime club.
I land in Vienna at 8:30am and my flight to Kiev departs Vienna at 5:50pm, so I figure I have about 4 hours to spend at Goldentime on Thursday, from their 11am opening time until about 3pm, when I must leave to get back to the airport. It is surely enough time to get into serious entanglements with the women there. However, I have promised myself not to go crazy on Thursday at FKK Goldentime trying to finish multiple times. Rather, my plan is to take it easy, and only session with the creme de la creme there, maybe for one or two longer sessions. I want to save my best energies for Thursday night in Kiev.
I will have three nights in Kiev (Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights) , and then I will head back to Vienna on Sunday November 17 for a final overnight there. My plan for Kiev involves the long list of quite a few numbers I got off of mamba. Ru for girls whose pictures look great and I can't decide if they might be totally fake or not, but am intrigued enough to investigate, as well as the hotties at Rio that I have identified as worthy previously. I am going to try to succeed in finally getting one of the Rio girls to spend the day with me on Friday or Saturday, and if I achieve that, it will be better than unknown mamba girls showing up. I am hoping to have a memorable trip to Kiev again, and then to finish off the weekend with a romp to remember at FKK Goldentime in Vienna on Sunday night, or perhaps try out some of the laufhaus establishments I have noted on the kontaktbazar. At.
Happy T-day Mongering to all.
LJ
In reply to a few earlier posts, I went to this club shortly after it opened early this year. It's in Podil, or nearly, just past Poshtova Ploshcha.
Think it is either in same building, or very close, to another very poor strip bar that used to ply its trade there years ago.
Moreorless agree with the review on the website translated earlier. There were only about 8 dancers as I recall, only one was classed as good IMO, another 3 were ok and remaining 4, maybe 5 were definitely below average.
Club is overpriced. Slightly more than Rio I thought, and not worth it.
Yes, I believe I was offered an hour on site with a girl for around $200. Pretty sure it was $400 to take girl away for 3 hours (not all night).
Stage show was not great either. As with almost every place only topless (Rhino at Arena the exception) , although there was one good routine with 2 girls dancing together on stage. They call ensemble.
Sex at the establishment is not altogether unheard of. I was also offered identical prices to this (and with almost same number and standard of girls) at Red Lion cabaret on Kreshchatyk.
Hotel Dnipro's attached strip bar Millennium is also another option for takeout. But again $400 was the price when I last visited. Girls are much tastier here but room is so dark it's difficult to see, and whereas in the past we used to have 3 dancers at once, as per a Rio stage, now it is strictly one at a time, and again no full nudity.
So I have not been back to Red Heat (or Red Lion or Dnipro) since, but I may pop in again if there's a free entry coupon and I am in the area.
Generally though Rio is better atmos, better girls, and Rhino is better strip place if you don't want to take girl out.
Immy & I also visited a strange place on left bank which had been written about here previously, and it was a total waste of time. We were only customers all night, topless dancing was poor, girls generally average, and even though out of town with no custom, same price as Rio. Go figure!
As regular readers will know I am quite a connoiseur of the strip bars, if someone wants to join me next week, just PM me. Better still, recommend some new places!
Why so many pay 300-400$ for girls? When you can pay 800-900 UAH for very beautiful escort girls private.
I wonder whats 3 best erotic massage parlour in kiev?
Harry Hirsch
11-27-11, 06:27
Next Year, are the European Football Championchips in Ukraine.
It is not good to be there in this time.
ALL are very Expensive.
To find a cheap Girl I think it isn't possible.
Flats are too very expensive in t this time.
Think about this!
CallSign Papa
11-28-11, 09:52
Stage show was not great either. As with almost every place only topless (Rhino at Arena the exception)Are you confusing this with Zolota in Arena?
[QUOTE=Harry Hirsch; 1221288]Next Year, are the European Football Championchips in Ukraine.
It is not good to be there in this time.
ALL are very Expensive.
To find a cheap Girl I think it isn't possible.
Flats are too very expensive in t this time.
Think about this! [/QUOTE.
Agrre with you and for sure I will avoid. However, I am not sure the dates an cities for this event. I assume even after this event the prices for girls and apartments will be too expensive. Maybe begining or end of 2012 is a good option but for sure I will avoid Kiev
Are you confusing this with Zolota in Arena?Confusing? Absolutely not. Yes it is the same place, sorry, excuse me for not writing in Russkii on English forum.
"Zolotoi Nosorog". Maybe that is better. Yes, still a Rhino place. Only one in Arena complex / Bessarabska. So no confusion.
Yes, they do full nude striptease, but very fleeting pussy glimpse is normal.
Actually Immy and I paid a return visit to Club MaXimum on left bank and had a good time. Great stage show. All girls nude, but maybe it's only at weekend when busy,
Private dances expensive though. 200 on promo time, but otherwise 400UAH for one song.
There are two places with striptease/"Show" on Dmitryvs'ka, near "Cirque". I took one, not I took two for the ISG team!
First is well known club "Sorry Babushka" where Immy has just given me a lift back from. Here, do not even think about going to "Erotic Bar". Stay with disco full of good normal local girls, not elitnii. You should be able to get a few phone numbers of studentkii or normal devushkii. Erotic bar had only 3 girls when I was in, and none was top class. Private dance if you're interested was 300UAH for two songs. I did not partake, and was told take-out was not possible.
Other show-bar was about 400m further up Dmitryvs'ka on left hand side, very small underground bar. Appeared to have no name, just sign saying "show bar" in Russian.
I asked for a look before committing. If they sent the best girl out first to impress me, god help the rest! First girl spoke English and told me takeout WAS possible, but she said it was up to girl to negotiate, but pretty sure this is bullshit, I suspect minimum will be on a par with Rio, because for sure bar will take 50. And simply girls not worth it. I saw 4 of them, two on stage, others walking around and none good enough to approach in a normal bar, so thanks for letting me in for a look and 5 minutes perving, but it's simply one to cross off the list.
Thanks for Immy last night we also visited about 4 other places. Rhino on Red Army Street, Chervonoarmiskiy has previously had a great lineup, but no takeout, last night talent was average, so again after a 2-minute look we conferred and left. Also went to bar XXI (21) and after seeing opulent lounge, we went underground tio very tiny "strip bar". Maybe because it was Sunday, it was very forgetable and we left again. Doorman was actually a great help saying girls will stop dancing after 10 mins unless you buy them more drinks, or unless new punters turn up. Apparently may be good on a weekend, but really so few tables, hard to see how you can get a nice seat and enjoy decent stage show. Did enquire about takeout and again told "yes, but negotiate with girl".
Finally, the last club I can remember going to was "Penthaus" also on Chervonoarmiskiy. Much nearer centre than Rhino.
Entrance here is steep and you have to put up with a very annoying dwarf in a pretend lift that goes nowhere. Like XXI, I went here years ago, and despite advertising saying it was "New Penthaus" it seems almost unchanged to me. Except for one very important detail, on a Sunday night I saw 8 girls dance and 4 were very good. I have high standards!
Private dance I forget cost, maybe 300 for 2, really cannot remember, but takeout was 2500UAH (think they will take $300) , and I would have indulged in wonderful looking Kristina had it not been for Immy and his chauffeur, and away to Rio we went.
In between whiles also had an excellent Mamba P4P, $100, full value, Nastenka, girl in photos, turned up within 15 mins after 0530 call out.
Also partaken in Salon Dolly, where I had a surreal session with a girl. I cannot say much because owners read this forum I have reason to believe and she could be introuble, but while I got no real extras, she certainly did as I stayed almost two hours and went down on her twice for about half an hour in total. But don't expect this, there were special reasons and connections why I was lucky and given what some may see as preferential treatment, though others may think I was a stupid pr*ck for pleasuring her.
But it stengthens the Nike motto in relation to Kyiv. Impossible is nothing. Believe, understand, sympathise, be confident and you shall succeed.
Now if I don't get SMS from two separate girls in the morning from "Sorry Babushka" girls I shall be brought straight back down to earth!
Whatever, top night, treated like royalty by a great crowd of locals. Uzhas, I have a meeting in 4 hours! G'Night all!
edited because Cyrillic characters for Gold Rhino came out as nonsense!
Mamba, Rio, facebook, buddha bar, skybar, Okey bar, Shooters, D'Lux, Arena and Mc Donalds@Khreshchyatyk. Simply I was impressed!
In 2 nights and 1 day I met one beautiful girl from Rio. But 300$ for 2-3hrs or 400$ if you take her out at early evening for no kissing (no, no. Activity kind of amazing girl) is a no go.
Therefore I went to shooters but it was chaotic full of guys having a party so I moved on to Arena. Same story as Rio finally I ended up at D'Lux. WoW this was fantastic (music, space and girls). After several tentative to find someone who speaks english I find two girls (Kristina and Nastya) dancing drinking and. Kissing! Finally we ended up in my hotel and in the morning I found out. 100$ each. For a great night of fun, flirt and. .
After some sleep and business meetings I was alone, hungry so walking down Khreshchyatyk I enter Mc Donalds, the door to the paradise. Hundreds of beautiful girls going in and out (students, street walkers, whatever girls) I was just impressed and after grabbing a coffee and a cake I sit down on a round table with 3 girls. I started to do my phone calls my emails and no attention to them but I saw how they were smiling to me and talking. After a while I asked if they speak english. One, Iryna, blond hot tall and tiny started to tell me that she and her girlfriend just finished lesson at the university and bla bla bla. Till mentioning about the fact that they are living together far away (1hr by train) from the city. As we were talking about the nightlife in Kiev (buddha bar, sky bar, the'lux) she was becoming more and more interested. At a certain point she told me that it was nice to have a conversation in english but their train is living in 10min even if she would stay but now she needs to go home with their girlfriends. I asked her where the problem is I will pay her later a taxi and we can have good party night together. She smiled talked to the other two. And she said ok but we stay all three. Ok, no problem! So from there we moved on and they show me St Andrew's Church than we went back to my hotel so that I could change from business to party animal and from there on we went to okey bar for aperň than to next door to buddha bar. First to the restaurant, than up to the bar. Dancing dancing. Whiskey. Gin tonics. And so much fun. We moved on to sky bar, nice people but too small, so we decided to go to discover the'lux again. And this was again "Number One" let me say. There the 2 ladies find some friends and I and Iryna find the way to my hotel. No comment from that moment onward but I will remember it for a long long time.
Making long story short: the most beautiful girls have high cost but low results and the casual encounters are amazing with high social and fun factor!Great report Joe, looks like I am going to book a flight to Kiev very soon! Have hooked up with 2 gorgeous ladies on Mamba and both insisting on me visiting them!
Probably McDonald's for breakfast, lunch and dinner then.
Member #4274
11-29-11, 22:47
Great report Joe, looks like I am going to book a flight to Kiev very soon! Have hooked up with 2 gorgeous ladies on Mamba and both insisting on me visiting them!
Probably McDonald's for breakfast, lunch and dinner then.Maybe I missed something but why would you eat at McDonalds in Kiev? I was there for one month in the summer of 2010 and never went to McDonalds once. There are many great cafes in Kiev and most have English menus. If not, take one of your mamba ladies and she can translate for you. Start with O'Breins Pub or The Thirsty Duck (which, when I was there, had prettier waitresses) and then expand from there. It will be much more of a worthwhile adventure if you try new things. Again, unless I am missing something.
Maybe I missed something but why would you eat at McDonalds in Kiev? I was there for one month in the summer of 2010 and never went to McDonalds once. There are many great cafes in Kiev and most have English menus. If not, take one of your mamba ladies and she can translate for you. Start with O'Breins Pub or The Thirsty Duck (which, when I was there, had prettier waitresses) and then expand from there. It will be much more of a worthwhile adventure if you try new things. Again, unless I am missing something.3. Reduce your chance of getting food poisoning in a foreign country.
2. Cheap.
1. The greatest free show on earth.
Member #4274
11-30-11, 08:55
3. Reduce your chance of getting food poisoning in a foreign country.
2. Cheap.
1. The greatest free show on earth.3. There is no evidence to suggest McDonalds food is any safer than food in most restaurants in a foreign country. No evidence at all. Oh, and McDonalds is not healthy where as food in cafes can be.
2. If you have to eat at a McDonalds in Kiev because you cannot afford to eat at cafes then you are one broke dude who should not be in Kiev but working in your home country. Christ, we are from the west, afterall, and its Kiev, Ukraine. Everything save rent is cheap!
1. Waitresses in Kiev can be quite hot and often available to be picked up.
3. Reduce your chance of getting food poisoning in a foreign country.
2. Cheap.
1. The greatest free show on earth.Errrrr, beg to differ sir
3) absolutely no proof. I have never once had so much as a dodgy stomach after a meal here, whereas I have with plenty of fast food outlets.
2) McD is actually quite expensive compared to eateries like Puzata Khata and other "kitchens". Fast food Ukrainian style.
1) another outrageous exaggeration! Actually as many girls in places like Puzata Khata, and the fact fewer foreigners go there makes it easier for me to stand out, initiate eye contact etc.
In truth McD definitely has its plus points, and I have even got phone numbers while waiting at the 24-hr Express window (which tends to be anything but express) on Kreshchatyk.
But there are other options, many would say better.
But if you guys want to keep ignoring the places where the locals eat cheap, that's fine by me too. I like an uncluttered field!
Quick update on the strip scene.
Paid our first visit to Star Rhino last night, reputedly largest strip club in Kyiv.
It's on Verkhyi Val in Podil region. Quite near river. It's maybe 10 minutes walk from Kontraktova metro, so maybe take taxi. Ask for "Zvezdnyi Nosorog"
Entrance was 150UAH (IIRC).
Very quiet on a Tuesday night. But 18 girls worked, and fully nude stage show, some good talent. Probably on this visit, the quality of the lineup was not as good as the Rhino in Arena complex at Bessarabska. Assuming it will be much livelier at weekend, and they have two stages which are both used on Thu / Fri / Sat I was told.
Borderland
11-30-11, 18:37
Just got back from three nights in Kiev:
I planned this visit a month back with the primary ideas being to visit Chernobyl to photograph Pripyat and also to see if I thought Kiev should be added to my short list of cities I am considering moving to. I'd been before, years ago, but only passing through and at a time when I was not into the night life scene all that much. I have to state now that I had no interest in pro action on the trip, only game. I do very occasionally dabble with P4P but not on this trip. Thank's to the advice of others on here I joined Mamba a month back and targeted a few Kiev girls with the idea of whittling the list of possibles down near to departure date. I learnt quickly that Mamba correspondences seem to last about 3 days unless you have a specific date in my for your visit that you can dangle in front of them like a carrot. So In the final week before the trip I started to line up my dates. One really attractive girl invited me out to the Cirque du soleil with her so she made my final list and two more I arranged to meet who seemed like cool girls that were seemingly quite into me. The plan was to get a room at a decent hotel in the centre and then meet my Mamba contacts and spend the rest of the time cold approaching girls on the street and bars / clubs. Then a week before departure one of my oldest friends read a Facebook status where I mentioned my visit to Chernobyl and asked if he could come along as he'd always wanted to visit the place. The problem was he had a very tight budget and worse he is married and has no interest in meeting other women. He also speaks no Russian. I agreed he could come (bro's before ho's as they say) but realised this would immediately change the dynamic of the trip for me. For one he had a very low budget and could only afford to stay in a hostel. I agreed to join him as I'd never stayed in a hostel before and wanted to see if they were good places to meet women. Of course it also meant I would have no sex location to take girls to, therefore I contacted the Mamba three and told them I would take a rain check till I was back in town. They were understandably pissed off with me for wasting their time.
So I decided that since I now was going with no contacts and less free time on my own to game I'd have to lower my expectations of what I could achieve. Therefore the plan was to use any free time I had away from the tourist sites doing approaches to see what worked best with Kiev's women without worrying about the results too much. I enjoy cold approaching anyway as you can meet a whole bunch of interesting random people whilst doing it and hopefully someone nice to spend some time with.
My friend and I flew in late on Thursday evening (UIA. Average looking stewardesses) and checked into the hostel on the Kreschatik (a big sign in the hallway said 'No sex tourists' which raised a wry smile ). There were a few peace corps guys in there and a Russian girl who I made a mental note to game later on. Also an old Canadian guy who had just published a book about Ukrainian marriage agencies. He had some good war stories to tell about the industry and his last 12 years in the Ukraine looking for "the one" but was one of those 'All North American women are fat feminist bitches' types who I find a little tiresome after a short while. Still, he was in his late 60's and still getting laid so full respect to the guy. So my friend and I head to a Puzata Hata just off the Kreschatik. As we came out at 9'ish we notice something going on in the Louis vuitton shop opposite, super cars parked outside, loud dance music blaring out. So we wandered up there. The place was full off the rich and beautiful so I obviously had a duty to get in somehow, it was suprisingly easy to do. I knocked on the door and the hottie with the clip board and her security goon opened the door and I asked if we could come in. She looked me up and down, noticed I was carrying my LV wash bag that I use for carrying travel essentials whilst abroad and said ok, maybe she had thought I had the intention of buying something. We headed to the free champagne bar and walked around taking it in. There were some impossibly beautiful models in there. 10's all day long and over 6 feet tall wandering around looking aloof like models do. Hired models also walked about dressed in black mini skirts with trays of caviar and Champagne for the guests, so we indulged. There was a female photographer in there papping us all, cool, whatever. Now this would usually be the perfect hunting ground, one of those rare events that you find yourself unexpectedly at and then make the most of. I had a high level of value in the eyes of the models just by being in there and being photographed and I should have been approaching the women, but after the 4 am start in the UK, the flight, a heavy meal of meat and potatoes, not having been 'out' for three months and to be honest being somewhat out of my comfort zone I was just not in a high energy or talkative state. I tried to get some energy from my friend but he is a very quiet guy of very few words and so was not of use in terms of getting my state up either, so I just drank the free bubbly and people watched. The female photographer asked to photograph me again (she asked everyone BTW, nothing special about me) and then asked for my business card but I'm not a person who uses them. I was however so out of form that I never even had the presence of mind to simply write her out my number or Facebook close her, so she just wandered off confused. I was pissed off with myself but couldn't do much about it, one of my lowest gaming moments. At one point two genuine 10's (impossibly attractive types that you can't help but stare at involuntarily) walked past us whilst we were racing Scalextric cars upstairs and hovered nearby. Usually I would have not wasted a second to approach or say something but I just talked myself out of it,"their too hot, I'm tired, I'll begin meeting women tomorrow", usual defeatist bullshit. We left without me not only having had no success in a room full of unbelievable women but not even making any effort to push through my state which is a cardinal sin. To round the evening off when we got back to the hostel I received a text message from the agency arranging the Chernobyl tour saying the tour was cancelled due to some governmental bullshit. Total washout.
The next day my friend and I headed to the '***** on the hill' statue which has a very good museum underneath it if you're interested in the Second World War. I got my first look at the women of Kiev in the cold light of day. To be honest they were not necessarily facially the best I had seen (I seem to remember Czechs being prettier) , but they all, pretty much without exception, have amazing physiques and a great way of carrying themselves. As someone who is a few inches over six feet it's a real pleasure to be in a land where there is such a huge amount of women who are 5'10 and over. Also they are a nationality, like all Slavic nations, who take great pride in their appearance, you never see a scruffy woman in this part of the world unless she's from the underclass. They are a pretty homogeneous race, not many Asian features to be found, just a very very attractive European race. Ever since reading Prosal's reports and opinions regarding the MILF (28. 38 age group) demographic I've been interested in checking them out more as I feel they might have a lot to offer us guys on the far side of 35. The over 30's here in Kiev did not disappoint, really take care of themselves and disprove the old misconception that Slavic women all go to seed after the age of 30. Overall Ukrainian women are a great looking bunch and deservedly make most people's top countries list. I spent the afternoon getting into a good state, approaching any women we came across during the course of our travels around the cities tourist sites and engaging them in conversation, babushkas, metro passengers, stolovaya slop peddlars, anyone. By evening I was primed.
We had a recommendation to visit O'Briens, an Irish bar near to the Maiden. The place was packed with no tables free upstairs or downstairs so we headed into the Pool room and got talking to a local who was a really high energy guy, excellent English and up for meeting women. The perfect wing. He suggested venue changing to Dockers where there would be women, cool. My friend was with me and I couldn't leave him so I got talking to a US. Turkish couple at the bar and merged our two groups so that my friend would have company in Dockers whilst I went around meeting women there with my new Ukrainian wing. The five of us venue changed (Dockers entry 70 Hryvna) and it was packed with women. I necked a Vodka and set of to mingle with my wing leaving the other three to chat.
Approaching in Dockers: My first approach was to pretty couple of girls sitting alone on the platform opposite the bar. I told Ukrainian wing to hit me on the arm as we walked past, which he did and then I said to the girls in Russian "call my embassy I'm being attacked by a drunk Ukrainian", it got a laugh and so I asked them to move up and sat down and chatted. Elena and Elena, mid 20's, attractive, no English skills and not very interesting to talk to. I decided to number close Elena (2) , not because I wanted to call her but just so that it would get me off and running and relax me from the outcome of the rest of my approaches. I did so discretely so other girls in there did not see and we left them. Down towards the stage was an incredible looking girl. 5'10, dressed stylishly, brunette, seductively dancing with another guy. Ukrainian wing goes up behind her and starts grinding so that she is now sandwiched between her man, who had his back to her and us, and my buddy. Legend. The girl was smiling and didn't seem to mind but when my buddy started to grab her waist and thrust I led him away before there was trouble. I now realized that wingman was a little worse for wear. Funny to see his direct approach though, must have great confidence. Do that in certain places and you get a beating. Walking around into the back room I found a table which had 2 great looking girls and a very drunk local guy. I sat down at the table and began to talk to the guy to see what the situation was with the girls. One was his wife and the other her younger sister, blonde, early 20's, good looking girl. It didn't matter though as by the time I had asked about her and turned to her to deliver a line my wing had sat down besides her and was cozying up with her. This guy was quick off the mark so I had to leave him for a while to search for someone to approach. I wandered off and looked for a MILF and found one at the bar by herself paying for a Glenfiditch I'd just seen the bartender prepare. I squeezed in besides her and ordered a drink, turned to her and said "you look like a Glenfiditch kind of girl". She turned and looked at me quizzically and asked how I knew and we began chatting. Great English, good conversationalist, good looking but not spectacular. She offered to show me a tourist market the following day and we exchanged numbers. I found Ukrainian buddy who was now seemingly doing well with a girl by the toilet area and we both went back to join our table. The others were heading home for the night as it was 2 am but I was now warmed up and had no intention of leaving. Wing and I headed down to the stage area where a band was rocking out Nirvana covers. We moved into the centre of the crowd and started bouncing around. I grabbed hold of a slim blonde and did a little Salsa move with her I'd learnt from Youtube, (BTW. I think knowing a little Salsa would reap great rewards in the right clubs. I might have privates before my next trip) it didn't suit the music but she went with it and I then led her away to the toilet area to talk a little. She was pretty drunk however and not too coherent so I left her. Instead I found my wing and we decided to look for women on the Kreschatic.
Dockers lessons learnt: The girls there were easy to talk to, however they were not much fun. Mostly a mid 20's to mid 30's crowd. The women had money and my foreignness in no way interested them or intrigued them. Big city girls. I got a couple of numbers but had no intention of calling them and I got the distinct impression the numbers would flake on me anyway. Important lesson was that having a local wing made women more approachable then without in my opinion. I think the locals just feel more comfortable having a local who knows the score in the group. A few times when I got talking to girls in there it would start of a little slow till Ukrainian buddy joined us and then everyone eased up a little and became more friendly. This might have had nothing to do with his nationality however and more to do with the social proof we provided each other. I think however that a local guy who speaks excellent English and is up for approaching is a great wing to go out with, better then another foreigner I think.
Kreschatik street game: My wing and I (both a little drunk) headed onto the Kreschatic to meet women. I saw two girls walking arm in arm, early 20's, very attractive."You look cold I'll give you a hug to warm you up" I said and I hugged her and spun her around before she could reply. We got talking but the conversation was going nowhere so we left them. Another couple of girls were walking along and I shouted out something random that I can't remember. They stopped and I introduced myself and said my wing was an American called John. I said we should link arms and all go for a walk up the road which we did. They were nice and fun to talk to, the hotter one was a lot of fun. At one point she said something cheeky about me so I bent her over and slapped her ass as punishment. She seemed to like it. There were however better girls walking past so we exchanged numbers at the end of the Kreschatic and made our excuses to leave them. Walking back towards the Maiden I saw two young women (a 7 and 9) walking towards us at 3am. Wing man said punch me (he was a quick learner) and so he opened them with "help me I'm being attacked by an Englishman"."Are you really English?" the 9 asked. Bingo! These girls were waitresses who had just finished a shift, Katya and Masha (Masha the 9) and we invited them for a late night drink. They knew a place (Bar 44 or something similar. Downstairs live music) so we all went in and got a table. Everything was going really well but wingman pulled me aside and said "I've got to go home, I'm finished", he looked pretty wasted. This was a pity as I needed him to occupy Katya's attention so I could isolate Masha and get at least a kiss. Masha was into me, laughing at my jokes, asking questions etc. But Katya was the dominant girl in the friendship and didn't like that I was showing more interest in her more attractive friend. If I was not on such a short trip I would not have let that happen and would have divided my time equally between them so there was no chance of her friend cockblocking me but I only had tonight to get something from her and I was pretty drunk so my game was far from tight. Eventually I went for bust and invited them back for a nightcap at my place (I didn't mention it was a hostel and I had no alcohol there ). Masha the hottie was up for it but Katya cockblocked me by telling Masha that they should go back home (they lived together at Katya's parents apartment ). I hoped Masha would ignore her and come but being the submissive one in the friendship she agreed to go home. I went to number close Masha but Katya jumped in and gave me her number instead, WTF! She was totally cockblocking me. I took her number and we all walked out together. I wasn't going to see them again thanks to Katya so I grabbed Masha and went in for a nice slow kiss. They left and I headed back onto the Kreschatic.
On the walk back to the hostel at 4am I spotted a big Macdonalds. Outside on the side street was a big queue of late night revellers waiting for food. I was not hungry but it was my duty to join the queue and see what happened. I spotted a few people from Dockers so I got talking to them just for a bit of proof before I approached someone. As I got to the order window so did another very attractive brunette. 5'9, dressed to kill, excellent English. She accidently bumped into me so I put on my mock angry face and said "fuck you!" and then smiled (I'd wanted to try a 'Fuck you' opener for a while to see how it would go down ). She turned and said "fuck you" in mock anger and smiled. We got talking but she was with friends and by now I was tired and drunk and so was not on top form hence I didn't even have the where with all to ask for her number. Shame as she was a great looking woman and a lot of fun. I approached a couple of other girls whilst I sat on the bench, met another nice girl who was really sweet to talk to but my heart was not in it, I needed my bed.
Kreschatic lessons learnt: The women there in the evening are incredible! Ukrainian women when they dress up are something else! It's very common to see two women alone strolling along in the evening and approaching is quite easy as they don't seem to have ***** shields. I didn't meet one girl the whole night who was snobby or offish or rude, all really cool girls even the ones who were not interested in me or blanked my approach did so with a sweet smile. That's classy. Kreschatic was my favourite place so far to pick up and late night Macdonalds is a good place to meet women after the bars close.
The next day I wanted to try approaching women in the daytime on the Kreschatik. The previous day I had seen one of those 'cartoon character photo women' next to the Maiden without her Bugs-bunny head on and she was stunning. Stunning in a 'if you took her to a beauty salon and bought her some nice clothes' kind of way, a rough diamond. We'd talked and I'd promised to have a photo with her the following day. Myself and my mate from England went out and I soon saw her hassling people for a 20 Hryvna photo. She saw me and ran up and said I'd give her 50 Hryvna if she would walk with me up the street arm in arm. I just liked the idea of going on a mini date with Bugs-bunny. She agreed and so my friend headed off for a wander whilst me and Bugs-bunny went for a stroll. We got a few funny looks and I thought it would be great to go to Coffee House together for a coffee whilst she was in her costume but I didn't follow through. This was the kind of girl I was looking for: A project. If you spent 300 US on her for a new wardrobe and hair style, make up etc. You'd have a hot woman who would be a lot of fun to mess around with for a few weeks. I didn't exchange numbers as I'd already decided I wasn't going to come back to Kiev any time soon but if I do then that's the kind of girl I'll look for. The rest of the day was spent doing tourist things. Went to a decent Cuban restaurant for Mojitos with some fellow hostellers, lit a candle at the Famine Memorial, and did a few approaches with another number close but nothing worth noting. It was a great little trip even despite Chernobyl being closed to tours.
Overall Opinion On Kiev: I came to Kiev with a lot of hope. I'd heard great things about the women there and had fond memories from previous trips (admittedly a long time ago ). It does have very very good looking woman but like most big cities the women are worldly-wise. Don't come here thinking that being foreign or even speaking Russian is going to get them falling for you, it won't. Most of the girls you meet in the centre seemed to have decent jobs with a half decent salary so the idea of finding someone to 'take them away from it all' here seems pretty slim. The pubs and bars in the centre of town charge prices akin to what we pay in the West so it's not cheap either if you're into drinking a lot, although of course prices will no doubt drop away from the centre of the city. I will say that staying in a hostel was not the total disaster I presumed and in fact I would do it again if going somewhere for a while. I think the best way would be to stay in a hostel for the first three nights to meet people and get some drinking buddies / wings and then move into an apartment after that to have a location to take the girls you will have number closed those first three days. I did not follow up on any of the numbers I got simply because I was leaving so soon and I came with the idea of checking the place out to determine it's suitability for further trips not necessarily to get laid (if I'd been in a hotel I would of course have followed up ). I got the feeling half the numbers I got would have flaked on me (of course now I'm back in the UK surrounded by women of lesser quality I regret not following up some numbers ).
So would I return? Possibly but most probably only to transit on my way to somewhere else in the provinces. Kiev was fun but expensive and the girls knew the score, no innocents here (again, I only had experiences in the centre of town so the suburbs might be better ). If you had a well paid job here you would have a great time but for those on a certain budget I would just spend a night or two here before heading off to the provinces. I am, as said before, on the wrong side of 35 yet I still kissed and number closed girls in their early 20's (in fact I think Masha who I kissed was probably under 20) so age need not be a barrier to getting nice women. Kiev however will not be on my list of places to move to. I preferred Minsk and Budapest in terms of capitols. Minsk girls just seemed a little less hardened and softer in nature, and I like that. I would however definitely return to the Ukraine. The women are great and I would love to spend time in a smaller city falling in love / lust for a few months with a nubile devchonka or two. Might head back in February, I miss it already.
Just got back from three nights in Kiev:Your Chernobyl trip cancellation was not bullshit from the authorities. http://www.interfax.com.ua/eng/main/86995/
As to your report. Suffice to say you were too westernised. You were played through infront of goal several times, but shot wide.
From reports of the likes of Hunter Dave and myself, you should have had more confidence you can definitely pull young girls here.
Wingmen from Ukr can open doors, or can hinder.
For people who are living in Germany Why bother to travel to Kiev if yocu could get it better in Germany say such as FKK, Party tr effs, Flat rate.
Member #4243
12-01-11, 00:46
The level and sheer number of Russian beauties that you can find in a club like Rio's in Kiev is a different type of beauty to what is in fkk.
For people who are living in Germany Why bother to travel to Kiev if yocu could get it better in Germany say such as FKK, Party tr effs, Flat rate.I remember reading ISG for the first time a few years back. One of the legend members (Dr. Skank) made a post where he mentioned how Eastern Europe had brought back a lot of emotions that he had thought disappeared from his dating life in the West. I never forgot that quote and understood immediately what he was talking about. When you get to a certain age in America, dating women seems to become a business matter with no hormones flowing. Have you ever had a girl 15 years younger than yourself stare at you like your the sexiest man on earth? Travel enough to the East and that will happen.
Take a look at pictures of FKK girls on this site. They don't look so good.
By the way, the Dr. Also traveled East for the cheap pussy, but that ship sailed.
Member #4243
12-01-11, 03:03
Are extremely hot too!
Great report as usual Borderland! The excitement you felt is what I think all of us yearn for. I know you realize the problems you had in getting laid were mostly due to changing your plans and not having a private flat. For me that always makes me less aggressive in terms of closing for sex because you deep down know the logistics won't work. Now we need you to do the same thing, but this time have a place and some freebies lined up, as well as offering bunny-girl a sponsorship (after taking her out a few times and saying you want her to look nicer, etc.) and maybe some strip clubs and mamba girls thrown in.
So would I return? Possibly but most probably only to transit on my way to somewhere else in the provinces. Kiev was fun but expensive and the girls knew the score, no innocents here (again, I only had experiences in the centre of town so the suburbs might be better ).Speaking of transiting elsewhere, there is a bus company called "Avtoluks" that has buses that depart Kiev to many destinations in Ukraine. Many of them go to the airport on the way out of the city. They have an office in the terminal where you take your e-ticket to get the real bus ticket, then the bus stops outside the terminal.
So for example you can take a bus directly from Borispol to Poltava, which is a great option to cut down on layover time trying to get somewhere in the provinces. They don't go everywhere from the airport, but for southward and eastward destinations it works well (Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Poltava, Kremenchug, Zaporozhe). It beats flying into Kiev and spending a night just to catch a train the next morning. They have an English-language site and you can book tickets using a credit card. I've used them several times in the past and they are quite comfortable and even have attendants on board who will serve you tea / beer / sandwiches etc.
http://en.autolux.ua/
So for instance you can take the route:
A/p Borypsil to Kharkov 15:55:00 22:45:00 (155 Hryvnia = $20)
Fly in to Boryspil around noon and be balls deep in a Kharkov girl by midnight. I mention this because Ukrainian trains can be maddeningly slow and I don't trust the domestic flights (I've flown Aerosvit and UIA internationally and they're fine).
Borderland
12-01-11, 14:29
As to your report. Suffice to say you were too westernised. You were played through infront of goal several times, but shot wide.
From reports of the likes of Hunter Dave and myself, you should have had more confidence you can definitely pull young girls here.
Wingmen from Ukr can open doors, or can hinder.Cheers for replying Knight, always good to receive feed back from other members.
Too Westernised: Hard not to be, I'm culturally a Westerner and proud to be so.
Shot wide: I genuinely like to receive advice and criticisms of my posts and experiences so I can improve, so would appreciate you being more specific as to which goals I missed. Cheers.
Confidence with young girls: Read my reports from Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Belarus etc. I know full well and have supreme confidence in pulling younger girls over there, have done so many, many times. I vocalized the point that it's possible not because I was surprised myself but to encourage the other members of the board who unlike us have not been there but would like to. You must have received the pm's from older ISG members asking if they can get laid in the FSU? I have, and wanted to show them that age is not the barrier it can be back home.
Local Wing Hinder / Help: Yeah, I don't think that needed saying. A poor Ukr wing is obviously far worse then a good foreign one, I think that is obvious.
Great report as usual Borderland! The excitement you felt is what I think all of us yearn for. I know you realize the problems you had in getting laid were mostly due to changing your plans and not having a private flat. For me that always makes me less aggressive in terms of closing for sex because you deep down know the logistics won't work. Now we need you to do the same thing, but this time have a place and some freebies lined up, as well as offering bunny-girl a sponsorship (after taking her out a few times and saying you want her to look nicer, etc.) and maybe some strip clubs and mamba girls thrown in.Latexian, always good to hear from you buddy, it was one of your posts that encouraged me to investigate Kiev. Glad I did.
Re. Your comments: You nailed it. The fact I had no sex location meant I made absolutely no effort to push hard for sex. My whole approach in fact was totally different from what it would have been had I had an apartment and been travelling alone. I used this trip purely to have a great time meeting lots of women, jumping from one to another and breaking the rules like getting girls numbers in front of girls I'd just number closed minutes previously (hence me saying in my original post that half the numbers would have flaked on me ). I didn't even bother number closing Bugs bunny girl which on any other trip would have been done quickly. I have no regrets, I had a great trip.
Now that I know the lie of the land, on my next trip I will certainly do things differently and follow your advice as to the way to get the most out of the trip.
Cheers
From reports of the likes of Hunter Dave and myself, you should have had more confidence you can definitely pull young girls here.Scoring is not only a question of confidence. It requests also luck. And determination. Borderland made some VERY confident moves (I am personnaly much less direct in my approaches, and play more on "aloofness" than on "forwardness") , but staying in a hostel, he perfectly knew that bringing a girl back was impossible, so he obviously lacked of determination. Anyway it seemed a fun weekend, which is the most important. For some people, sex is not the ultimate goal. I personally enjoy more the chase and the fun than the foregone conclusion. But as usual, to each its own.
Anyway great report, Borderland. To read about some occasional "failures" is more refreshing and do tell more about Slavic psyche than the eternal (and alleged) success stories.
That kind of spirit combined with some persistence can go far in Eastern Europe. I can't help but feel your trip was too sure short and only viewed with a superficial eye.
Its my experience that in EE. 99% of the population could not care less of me. But what consistently happens if you stroll and troll that 1% pops up on a very regular basis. Don't be fooled by those worldly girls that you speak of, very few have any real security beyond there good looks. Add a Kiev address to your holster, and things will be different for a foreigner with some coin in his pocket.
Borderland
12-01-11, 18:34
That kind of spirit combined with some persistence can go far in Eastern Europe. I can't help but feel your trip was too sure short and only viewed with a superficial eye.
Its my experience that in EE. 99% of the population could not care less of me. But what consistently happens if you stroll and troll that 1% pops up on a very regular basis. Don't be fooled by those worldly girls that you speak of, very few have any real security beyond there good looks. Add a Kiev address to your holster, and things will be different for a foreigner with some coin in his pocket.Great points you make.
Yeah the trip was far too short but I could not get away for longer. My diary works in a way that means I can usually only do very short trips since longer holidays are booked up with certain personal commitments I have. I think in February I might have a 10 day window empty so will hopefully put it to use in the FSU. 10 days will be enough I feel to really turn numbers into lays.
Scoring is not only a question of confidence. It requests also luck. And determination. Borderland made some VERY confident moves (I am personnaly much less direct in my approaches, and play more on "aloofness" than on "forwardness") , but staying in a hostel, he perfectly knew that bringing a girl back was impossible, so he obviously lacked of determination. Anyway it seemed a fun weekend, which is the most important. For some people, sex is not the ultimate goal. I personally enjoy more the chase and the fun than the foregone conclusion. But as usual, to each its own.
Anyway great report, Borderland. To read about some occasional "failures" is more refreshing and do tell more about Slavic psyche than the eternal (and alleged) success stories.Prosal, always good to read your feedback.
To be honest I am not usually as forward when approaching as I was on this trip but since sex was not really on the menu due to staying in a room with 10 other people, I decided to experiment a little with my technique by being much more direct and high energy then usual. I would say that it worked in the sense that (as Climaxnow mentioned in his post) you are meeting so many more people then usual and that means you have a higher chance of finding that small percentage of girls who are into you. The downside is that you never get the chance to move into comfort with them and seduce them because after 5 minutes you're off to meet someone else and hence the chance of laying a girl the same night is probably a lot less then if you concentrated on fewer numbers but spent more time getting to know them throughout the evening. Next time I will keep the same tactic but at the point in the evening where I meet a woman with whom there is a mutual attraction I will calm it down and concentrate on building some mutual attraction with her in the hope of getting her back to my place later that evening.
You're right, the test of a successful trip for me is not if I get laid or not (if it was I would never have left Central Asia) but if you have a fun trip. In that sense the trip was a success.
Udachi
Cheers for replying Knight, always good to receive feed back from other members.
Too Westernised: Hard not to be, I'm culturally a Westerner and proud to be so.
Shot wide: I genuinely like to receive advice and criticisms of my posts and experiences so I can improve, so would appreciate you being more specific as to which goals I missed. Cheers.
Confidence with young girls: Read my reports from Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Belarus etc. I know full well and have supreme confidence in pulling younger girls over there, have done so many, many times. I vocalized the point that it's possible not because I was surprised myself but to encourage the other members of the board who unlike us have not been there but would like to. You must have received the pm's from older ISG members asking if they can get laid in the FSU? I have, and wanted to show them that age is not the barrier it can be back home.
Local Wing Hinder / Help: Yeah, I don't think that needed saying. A poor Ukr wing is obviously far worse then a good foreign one, I think that is obvious.
CheersAlso very proud to be a westerner! My apologies if I misjudged your end goal and desires. I thought your intention was to get laid judging by your self admonishment on the first night. Offering direct advice to you is arrogant and worthless. It depends on the person. Advice about where to go, how to start negotiations, quality of girls, price, etc are fine, telling someone how to behave is usually self-defeating. I was not in your situation, but from what you wrote, I feel HAD IT BEEN ME, I would have tried other techniques to stop the cock-blocker, and Bugs Bunny would have been invited for a few carrots next date, and as you obviously had the cash I would have immediately booked an apartment for one night or two. Quite a few times when clients have booked hotels for me against my wishes (because they have accounts or kick-backs) , I go ahead and book studio apartment anyway.
We've all been there with cock blockers, and maybe it was karma, but this very day a very tasty young girl has turned me down flat despite a hell of a lot of leg work so to speak.
It may interest members to know that model Yuliya from Zemani. Erika from Metart is currently offering private dances. And showing her pussy on stage, at Star Rhino cub in Podil.
http://peachy18.com/t/erika-c-met-art-yuliya-zemani-7617.aspx
There is also another model I know from internet, working in a club here. I cannot for the life of me remember which site I saw her on.
Borderland
12-02-11, 19:31
.I feel HAD IT BEEN ME, I would have tried other techniques to stop the cock-blocker, and Bugs Bunny would have been invited for a few carrots next date, and as you obviously had the cash I would have immediately booked an apartment for one night or two. Quite a few times when clients have booked hotels for me against my wishes (because they have accounts or kick-backs) , I go ahead and book studio apartment anyway.Hey Knight,
Thank's for the feedback.
I agree with you that I made a mistake in not going ahead and booking an apartment anyway, if not to stay in but to use as a private location should I have needed it. If I had of had one I would have just led Masha away to a taxi after kissing her. She was absolutely willing to continue the night with me in some way but the combination of her friend trying to dissuade her and my lack of conviction in persuasion due to the knowledge I would not be able to do much with her at the hostel meant I let the moment slip. However like Prosal alluded to: it's in your mistakes and failures that you learn the most, and so it was in this case. Never again will I travel to the FSU without first sorting out all the logistics of locations.
Borderland
For people who are living in Germany Why bother to travel to Kiev if yocu could get it better in Germany say such as FKK, Party tr effs, Flat rate.It's a good question and the answer is simple. Here in Germany we have lots of girls from CIS but when they come here it takes about 6 months and they get spoiled. In addition you only see them in the FKK clubs, not outside in the streets. And this is what I like in Kiev. Not only go to Rio but walking on Kreshatic and talk to young ladies to go out for a coffee with them. Almost not possible in Germany. Furthermore it's the circumstances, being in a foreign country you behave totally different than in Germany where everybody knows you.
Hello Kiev forum,
Lady K here from Le Moulin Rouge Warsaw. My apologies for breaking protocol, I usually do not believe in posting on other forums which do not pertain to that forums / cities mongering activities. My posts are usually solely meant and confined to informing and updating our faithful Poland and Warsaw forum mongers on the activities of LMR Warsaw.
However, being that I just read LJ's full page report and albeit pseudo ad for Goldtime FKK's in Vienna, Austria (I'm just teasing you a little L. J. Super report!) I wanted to at least extend an invitation to the Kiev forum to attend LMR Warsaw's parties in Warsaw, Poland. After all, Warsaw's only a train ride away.
Unfortunately, we will be going on Christmas break beginning Sunday, December 11th until January 2012.
December 7th-10th we are hosting our last week of parties before our holiday break.
I realize for some of you group sex is not high on your list of mongering experiences. We realize what we offer is not for everyone, but I wanted to at least extend the invitation to visit us if you ever find your way to Poland.
Next time you are in Germany, please stop over to Poland on your way to visiting our Slavic brothers and sisters in Ukraine.
For those, who are more comfortable reserving your spot in Russian or German, I can speak both (though better Russian) , as well as Polish and English.
We do have an English only phone line for those who want to speak with a native English speaker, although my English is near native fluency.
If you have any questions or concerns please email us and either myself or our intrepid Event Coordinator Connor will be happy to assist you. You are also welcome to PM me and I will get back to you as soon as I can.
Besides our own website and if for some reason it is down, we can be found on these websites:
Roksa- http://www.roksa.pl/len/anons.php?nr=68606
Odloty- http://www.odloty.pl/en/announcements/warszawa/centrum/lmr-group-sex-parties/61270.html And
Grezesznice-http://www.grzesznice.pl/start.php?NR=37
We welcome all who are willing to try something a bit provocative for a change. I promise this is my last post in the Kiev forum, again my apologies.
Please remember at LMR Warsaw, you are never our client, always our guest.
Happy Holidays and Happy New Year!
Kisses,
Lady K (Kasia)
Le Moulin Rouge Warsaw-Event Coordinator.
www.lemoulinrougepl.com
AColonizer
12-11-11, 00:27
Thanks for reports and advertisements, but which kind of men can pay those huge prices for NOTHING? This is a forum about raw sex and not about mental masturbation. It doesn't make sense to talk about the "beauty", the "flawlessness", the "youth" if there is no genuine sex at a honest price. Those bitc* have cheated you definitely! OMG where we have arrived to.
Which is The Best FKK Supplement to a Kiev Trip
The 'FKK Sex Insurance Policy' – is a notion I have discussed before. It is a means of evening up the score for any sexual failures and rejections encountered in a short weekend Kiev foray, by capping off that weekend with an intense sexual romp in the FKK. The consecutive and multiple couplings with very hot young girls that are possible at the FKK, will cause one to arrive home completely drained of all one's sexual juices. Upon proper completion of an FKK mission, one should leave the sauna club in a deliriously dessicated state, slap—happy from extreme sexual exhaustion.
It reminds me of the 1975 satirical film 'Shampoo. ' In that film, George (played by Warren Beatty) is a successful Beverly Hills hairdresser, whose occupation and charisma have provided him the perfect platform from which to meet, and bed, many, many, beautiful women. In one of the funny scenes from that film, on one particular night it seems that all of his most important clients demand his services at once, and so we see Warren Beatty clutching his balls as he staggers from one sexual laison to the next.
That would be a fitting way for one to leave an FKK – the Warren Beatty way. LOL.
The FKK Insurance Policy is thus designed to insure a result that is the diametric opposite of an asexual result, such as Borderland's recent futile wanderings in Kiev.
The Prime Objective of a Monger / Sex Tourist: Not coming home feeling sexually deprived.
Those who follow my posts know that my focus in Kiev has been p4p primarily because of the short nature of my visits on weekends of two or three nights at a time coupled with my firm belief in the 'prime objective' stated above. Yet, I also enjoyed reading Borderland's post and commend him on his fearless and inspiring persistence in hitting on the girls he met on the streets and in the bars and nightclubs, and his honesty in reporting on his failures as well as his successes.
I too try to write about my failures, because I feel that part of the objective in writing reports, aside from being informative of useful facts, is pointing out mistakes to help others avoid them, so that they can better have fun while in Kiev. The other part is being entertaining. Borderland achieved both, and is to be commended and encouraged to post more good reports on this forum.
However, while one cannot help but admire the girl skills of those who score freebies regularly, ultimately I cannot glorify the approach of going to a place like Kiev with the intention to NOT have sex, but just to try picking girls up. This type of experimenting can and should be done at far lower cost on one's home turf. Unless a fellow lives nearby to Kiev, or it costs him very little in money and time to travel there, it just makes no sense to waste the opportunity of finally getting there, and not to try to score with some of the delectable Kiev devushkas. I guess upon reading a report like Borderland's, one can only say, to each his own. But my feeling is that a person who goes to Kiev to see the sights and just to flirt with the pretty girls, is merely a regular tourist. This is, however, not the behavior of a 'monger', nor even of a 'sex tourist'. The bottom line is that were I to return from a trip to Kiev without a sufficient number of p4p experiences and / or freebie sexual conquests under my belt, I would be highly disappointed. I have a feeling most readers here would also be disappointed with a trip to a place like Kiev resulting in no sexual experiences.
So for this reason, I will direct my comments below toward how to have the most sex fun out of a short visit to Kiev.
What Happened at FKK Goldentime Vienna
For the report of my observations and experiences at FKK Goldentime you may click on the following link to my post on the Vienna thread:
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?621-Vienna&p=1225621&viewfull=1#post1225621
FKK Goldentime Vienna vs. FKK Oase near Frankfurt: FKK Oase Wins
FKK Goldentime in Vienna is very good during evenings, except Sunday, but is dead during the daytime until after 5pm. The reason appears to be that this FKK depends on customers who are mainly locals who come after work hours. There are Hungarian and Slovakian blondes to be found at the club, but the bulk of the ladies, are Romanian and Bulgarian. Some of the girls are 9's and some even 10's.
FKK Oase in Burgholzhausen 20km north of Frankfurt is a far better choice for excursions including daytime or Sunday visits. This is because there are many more girls available during the daytime or on Sunday at the Oase club. This may be because Frankfurt is a convention city and many non local travelers attend the club, or may be a factor of where the girls reside in relation to the club, or other factors. But it is the case. Although predominantly the girls are Romanian at Oase too, there are also some fine looking blonde German and Polish girls to be found there as well. There are a good number of 9's and some 10's too, and the club is larger and has more girls generally.
CONCLUSION: In planning future Kiev trips with a stop on the way home at an FKK as a Sex Insurance Policy, I will choose Frankfurt area FKK's, probably Oase, over the Vienna version of the FKK, if possible logistically. (or I might decide to investigate Kirch's assertion in an earlier post that the girls are much better looking at Golden Time in Bruggen than the Oase girls).
My Three Nights in Kiev
November 24 – Thursday. My flight arrived from Vienna in the evening, but I had arranged for the basic shopping for provisions from the supermarket to be done by the apartment rental agency for a small fee ($15) in order to save time (thanks for the idea IT Travel). So when I got checked in to my apartment in Kiev near the Maidan, I unpacked and stowed my gear, ate something, showered and shaved and was off to Rio, arriving by around 11:30pm.
As I came in to the downstairs bar, I spotted my old nemesis, Lera, who I can't help my attraction to. Lera is blonde and has a very pretty face, nice boobs and a good body. This time she was all smiles and wanted to go home with me. I confirmed with her if that includes oral sex too, meaning DATY and BJ, and she smiled and promised 'yes it does. ' So we're finally going to have normal sex like a boyfriend and girlfriend? She smiled and nodded her head, 'yes'. I was thrilled, because I had wanted this girl for so long and those of you who have read my earlier posts know how she drove me crazy last time and took advantage of my feelings for her, not permitting oral sex in the end, and only providing a hand job and intercourse. Knowing her penchant for lying about such things and changing her mind later, and therefore wanting an insurance policy, I said that I also promised another friend of mine to take her home, so is she ok with another girl coming also. I got the green light for that, and just then there was Ada on stage. I smiled at her and sent Lera over to her to tuck a 50 UAH note into her bikini as she danced. Ada, a tall brunette with an awesome body and very cute face, looked great and soon joined us at my table. The two girls seemed to have a good rapport, so I said we shall do a duo private dance, to check out what it might be like with the both of them. The private dance was very hot. Neither of them had any shyness about touching me where it counts with their hands. So I decided to go for it, and Thursday night was the night of the Lera and Ada. Duo
Lera showered first and then me, and I thought what better way to pass the time while Ada was showering, than to initiate Lera with a session of DATY, but as I half expected, she declined, claiming she didn't like it. There it was again. She reneged on her promise. What a liar this girl is. Watch out boys and tread carefully with her if you decide to take her for a whirl. I didn't believe for a minute that she didn't like receiving oral sex, and thought that more probably it was that her mother (who is a doctor) told her to never let a boy kiss her pussy because she will get diseases from it. I realized that there would be little chance of changing the mind of a girl whose sex life was fucked up by an overprotective mother's brainwashing (ok, yeah, some part of me knew the mother was right) , so I gave up on the prospect of getting DATY with Lera. Thankfully, Lera did not renege completely on her promises and agreed to give me a blow job, albeit covered.
By this time Ada had joined us, so I had the beautiful and naked Lera lay back and had Ada lay back with her head on Lera's lap, while I went down on Ada, determined to show Lera what she was missing. I have been with Ada many times before and she is very responsive to me. So I knew how much she loves my DATY, how she moans and shrieks as she approaches climax and how explosive her orgasms are. And I knew I was about to give Lera quite a show and perhaps something to think about. Ada delivered just as expected, shrieking and shuddering in orgasm as Lera held her in her lap and arms. Lera's face was blushing. I asked her if she had ever seen such an orgasm, and she shook her head. Did she like what she had seen? Yes, she nodded. I left the next question, unsaid.
Now it's my turn, I said, and I lied down on my back, got Ada up above me positioning her pussy above my mouth, so I could see her stomach and breasts and watch her face as I proceeded to perform oral sex on her again propelling her towards her second orgasm, while at the same time I motioned to Lera to get busy going down on me, as she had promised. Lera delivered. It was and energetic and skilled blow job, which included deep throat, I was happy to feel. Too bad it was a covered BJ. After a while, I motioned for Lera to get up on me cowgirl, while I continued to pleasure Ada whose ever increasing moans were a sexual catalyst for the other girl as well. And so I began the fucking of beautiful Lera, while my face was buried in Ada's sweet pussy; my hands holding her shuddering body above me. Lera did not know then, as she was blissfully bouncing up and down, that I was about to turn all my attentions on her and fuck her in a way I hoped her pussy wouldn't soon forget. However, I knew I had to balance the enthusiasm I had for fucking Lera, with the need to leave some energy over to do justice for Ada, who is a great sex partner.
The session proceeded from this auspicious beginning to even better. Suffice it to say, it was great fun, enhanced by the fact that Ada loves to watch a girlfriend getting fucked real good. It happens every time. The other girl is on her back moaning and shrieking from the fucking she is receiving, and I look over into Ada's intently watching eyes and we smile knowingly at each other and I lean toward her and kiss her, as the pounding of the girl beneath me and her screaming continue – a tender moment between two voyeurs.
The next night, Friday November 25, I sat up in the VIP room at Rio. This night was dedicated to Katya all by herself. She is a very lovely and sexy brunette, with a great body and gorgeous long silky brown hair. Her drawback is she will not allow DATY unless her pussy is covered with protection (for which I use the latex of a torn apart. Condom) , another girl brainwashed by her mother not to let the boys kiss her pussy or she will get diseases. Despite this, sex with her is otherwise wonderful, and I'm sweet on her.
Saturday night November 26 I was both in the upstairs bar and in the VIP bar at Rio.
In fact just as I went in to the VIP room, some other ISG members, TheKnight and Immy007, showed up and we sat together at my favorite couch in the VIP next to the small stage where two girls dance together. Great to see you guys again! My compatriots had decided not to pull anyone from Rio that night and to go clubbing at D'lux instead, so they left around midnight.
Since it was my last Kiev night, I decided to stay at Rio and try to take out Sophia, a pretty blonde I had been with the last trip. That didn't work out because she chose to go with someone else. Ada came to sit with me and she pushed hard for me to take her out with one of her bisexual friends Rita or Michelle. I chose Michelle. So Saturday night was a duo with Ada and Michelle. Michelle had no hang-ups and allowed DATY. She didn't know what hit her. The session went off in a similar fashion to the duo on Thursday night. Lots of fun.
During the three nights I had in Kiev, I saw a very good line up at Rio, but it seemed the quantity of girls was not as numerous as it had been in other times. The line ups in each bar had about 15 girls, so there were maybe 50 girls in the whole club to choose from, with many good lookers. I shall not again go into the reasons why Rio is a good place to spend time mongering at night in Kiev from various perspectives, as I have written about that in my previous posts, and those who are interested can find that information by looking at the prior posts. From the lack of a large amount of activity on the Kiev thread it doesn't seem that many guys go to Kiev during this part of the year, so I don't think there is much utility in maintaining the list with the hottest girls' names, as this will all change over the few months of the winter, until monger visitors start to come back to Kiev in significant number. Before coming to Kiev, I had collected about 25 good numbers from mamba. Ru, but due to sheer exhaustion during the daytime, I slept most of the time, and didn't call any of them. Instead I played all night with the Rio girls. It was great fun, and I had my stop on the way home at FKK Goldentime to look forward to also. All in all, I enjoyed the trip very much.
FUTURE TRIPS:
In December I have a weekend (December 15 – 18) lined up in San Jose, Costa Rica for a change of pace and maybe some nicer weather. One of the hotties I met there previously and wanted to hook up with, just emailed me that she is now in Jaco Beach and wants me to come there instead of going to the Delrey Hotel in San Jose as I had intended. If my newbie buddies were coming with me to CR, I would have taken them to Jaco to stay at the Copacabana Hotel. I've wanted to check that place out for a while. It's an adults only resort, which has a second swimming pool that is clothing optional, and many girls hanging around. I didn't think I would want to go there solo. But with a girl I know asking me to come there, maybe it would be fun.
As for future visits to wonderful Kiev, I will be there during the last week of March and first week of April 2012, exact dates to be determined, but probably between March 29 – April 4, or something like that.
There is a long holiday weekend on February 16 – 21, and have not decided what to do with that time slot. Possible plans are for a trip to Frankfurt area FKK's, but a visit to Kiev is also possible. It depends in part on the airfares.
RUSSIAN TRANSIT VISA? A parting question to those whose travels include Russia. There are flights to Kiev on Aeroflot and Transaero with attractive low prices in the upper $600's instead of the $800's charged by all the other airlines. The lower price makes the idea of additional visits to Kiev more attractive. Until now, I have stayed away from those flights because they transit through Russia with a stopover of around 4 hours there between flights to Kiev, and I thought getting a transit visa would be a hassle and end up costing more than an $800 ticket. It has come to my attention that a transit visa might not be necessary if I'm just flying through to Kiev and not leaving the airport in Moscow. Is it true that if the stopover in Russia is less than 24 hours and one stays at the airport, that one does not need to obtain any transit visa? Any other reason not to fly to Kiev on Aeroflot or Transaero?
Happy Winter Mongering.
LJ
Globalnomad5
12-11-11, 02:05
Which is The Best FKK Supplement to a Kiev Trip
RUSSIAN TRANSIT VISA? A parting question to those whose travels include Russia. There are flights to Kiev on Aeroflot and Transaero with attractive low prices in the upper $600's instead of the $800's charged by all the other airlines. The lower price makes the idea of additional visits to Kiev more attractive. Until now, I have stayed away from those flights because they transit through Russia with a stopover of around 4 hours there between flights to Kiev, and I thought getting a transit visa would be a hassle and end up costing more than an $800 ticket. It has come to my attention that a transit visa might not be necessary if I'm just flying through to Kiev and not leaving the airport in Moscow. Is it true that if the stopover in Russia is less than 24 hours and one stays at the airport, that one does not need to obtain any transit visa? Any other reason not to fly to Kiev on Aeroflot or Transaero?
Happy Winter Mongering.
LJYes, it is true that you don't need a Russian transit visa if your stopover is less than 24 hours and you don't leave the transit area, that is do not go through immigration and customs.
Aeroflot is comparable to other European and North American airlines, but not as good as the better Asian and Middle Eastern ones. I wouldn't hesitate to use it if the fare was significantly cheaper than competitors.
Yes, it is true that you don't need a Russian transit visa if your stopover is less than 24 hours and you don't leave the transit area, that is do not go through immigration and customs.
Aeroflot is comparable to other European and North American airlines, but not as good as the better Asian and Middle Eastern ones. I wouldn't hesitate to use it if the fare was significantly cheaper than competitors.Yes Aeroflot and Transaero are both alright but not great, although both have good safety records.
As for the transit visa you should call and check. I know it used to be the case that domestic flights (former USSR) were all from Sheremetyevo-1 and international were all to / from Sheremetyov-2. While they are theoretically two "terminals" in fact they are almost like separate airports since you have to ride a bus between them. There used to be no way to do that without entering Russia, but I'm not sure if that's true anymore. I know the new terminal (D?) is connected with the old 2 terminal. Anyways I would call Aeroflot and ask. Don't assume you can do it.
Yes Aeroflot and Transaero are both alright but not great, although both have good safety records.
As for the transit visa you should call and check. I know it used to be the case that domestic flights (former USSR) were all from Sheremetyevo-1 and international were all to / from Sheremetyov-2. While they are theoretically two "terminals" in fact they are almost like separate airports since you have to ride a bus between them. There used to be no way to do that without entering Russia, but I'm not sure if that's true anymore. I know the new terminal (D?) is connected with the old 2 terminal. Anyways I would call Aeroflot and ask. Don't assume you can do it.Yes GlobalNomad is right. I traveled by Aeroflot last December 2010 and transited without visa. My stay at the airport Terminal D was about 6hours as I waited for my flight to Kiev. So yes visa was not required for less than 24hours stay in Moscow International or Sheremetyevo. Quality of Aeroflot service. Not good.
Thanks,
Miscgk
Arrived last Friday in Kiev with a friend and were lucky to get an apartment right next to Rio (just 5 seconds walk.). So of course the first night we went to our basement. Now that I now to walk around the areas in order to see all the girls and to tip the manager every time with 100 Griwna it worked pretty good. We got a table in the VIP room but the girls were no good at all so I walked over to the other room every other song to check out what's going on there. But it was not good either. I was too lazy to go the basement room but when I had to go to the restroom after 10 Bacardi Cokes I took a quick look and HOSSA here are the beauties tonight! For my kind of taste almost all of them 8-10! Young, tall, slim, natural too big breats and wonderful faces. So I asked Slawik to get a table downstairs and as he knows me from my last visit it took us 2 minutes to get down there and a nice table. I asked for girl I had several times before (sorry for not saying who it is as she always stays like 6-8 hours in my apartement; I don't want to get her in trouble). By the way, the girls do not have to go back to RIO before they close, someone wrote it here. It seems it's just an excuse to leave clients. So I talked to my beauty and my friend liked a young blond slim one who was very nice. After one hour we got upstairs and of course we went to Billa and Duty Free so the fridge was full with cheap champagne, Whiskey and Bacardi. The IPod station played Rammstein (I'm from Germany and don't know why they like it so much). Of course we got some presents for the ladies, one was a Girlie Shirt from Rammstein. They loved it. So after 3 hours, all of us drunk they started a lesbian show and we took many pictures. IT WAS LIKE HEAVEN! Then we did what they came for and the ladies left at around 10:00 am.
Next day we invited 3 girls we know from here to our apartment and they cooked for us. Again a lot of alcohol and after a couple of hours they got drunk and horny but as they are really good contacts for us to order taxi late at night, showing us new spots, translating things, etc. We decided not to go to bed with them. It's better this way.
Next day we did some coffee meetings with mamba and other girls we met last time. Nice but again a lot of work to get them there where you want to.
In the evening we went to Rio again and decided right away for the basement room and again the most beautiful girls there! I couldn't decide which to take and in addition I was so confused beacuse last time I was in Kiew almost noone of the beauties wanted to go with me. Only private dances. And this time everyone wanted to go. Strange! So I decided for one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen (even next morning without alcohol she was still amazing!). I went upstairs with her and my little Duschka I have always. So time for a threesome. Again we drinked a lot listend to Rock Music and talking about stupid things. After 3 hours they were drunk and so willing and won't say what they did but I can say I had this experience not many times so far. They left at 9:00 am. So again much more time than the 2-3 hours they normally do. I don't know why it works so good this time. But I can just give one advice. I always talk a lot to them in a really nice way, like I'm a really nice guy and that we just want to have some fun with drinking and party. When they are in the aprtment I continue talking talking and offering drinks and provide them good music from my ipod. Some presents are very welcome as well. After a while they get so relaxed that it works just perfect. But of course I sepnd a lot of time to separate in Rio good from bad. With a little bit experience it almost always works.
Right now I have my third Bacardi and heading to Rio in about one hour. Only 2 days left and so many girls on my list! We have to come back in January.
Maybe a boob or something.
LifeSavour
12-15-11, 17:13
$$$$ USD. Debit Cards. X-change?
Few weeks ago I read in the news about limits on getting CASH!
Have to be registered or have documents?
Whats up?
Will my debit card 'spit' out grivnas!
Need to prepare. Thanks!
LS Guy
Nille Copenhagen
12-16-11, 18:13
Which is The Best FKK Supplement to a Kiev Trip
CONCLUSION: In planning future Kiev trips with a stop on the way home at an FKK as a Sex Insurance Policy, I will choose Frankfurt area FKK's, probably Oase, over the Vienna version of the FKK, if possible logistically. (or I might decide to investigate Kirch's assertion in an earlier post that the girls are much better looking at Golden Time in Bruggen than the Oase girls). [B]
LJWell GT in Brüggen is IMO not at top at the moment.
Villa Vertigo has on the other hand a solid line-up with some Baltic / Russian girls.
I'll prefer Palace over Oase girl-wise.
AColonizer
12-17-11, 01:06
But can you describe exactly which type of sex and bdsm all of you made? We don't want adjectives but facts.
Arrived last Friday in Kiev with a friend and were lucky to get an apartment right next to Rio (just 5 seconds walk.). So of course the first night we went to our basement. Now that I now to walk around the areas in order to see all the girls and to tip the manager every time with 100 Griwna it worked pretty good. We got a table in the VIP room but the girls were no good at all so I walked over to the other room every other song to check out what's going on there. But it was not good either. I was too lazy to go the basement room but when I had to go to the restroom after 10 Bacardi Cokes I took a quick look and HOSSA here are the beauties tonight! For my kind of taste almost all of them 8-10! Young, tall, slim, natural too big breats and wonderful faces. So I asked Slawik to get a table downstairs and as he knows me from my last visit it took us 2 minutes to get down there and a nice table. I asked for girl I had several times before (sorry for not saying who it is as she always stays like 6-8 hours in my apartement; I don't want to get her in trouble). By the way, the girls do not have to go back to RIO before they close, someone wrote it here. It seems it's just an excuse to leave clients. So I talked to my beauty and my friend liked a young blond slim one who was very nice. After one hour we got upstairs and of course we went to Billa and Duty Free so the fridge was full with cheap champagne, Whiskey and Bacardi. The IPod station played Rammstein (I'm from Germany and don't know why they like it so much). Of course we got some presents for the ladies, one was a Girlie Shirt from Rammstein. They loved it. So after 3 hours, all of us drunk they started a lesbian show and we took many pictures. IT WAS LIKE HEAVEN! Then we did what they came for and the ladies left at around 10:00 am.
Next day we invited 3 girls we know from here to our apartment and they cooked for us. Again a lot of alcohol and after a couple of hours they got drunk and horny but as they are really good contacts for us to order taxi late at night, showing us new spots, translating things, etc. We decided not to go to bed with them. It's better this way.
Next day we did some coffee meetings with mamba and other girls we met last time. Nice but again a lot of work to get them there where you want to.
In the evening we went to Rio again and decided right away for the basement room and again the most beautiful girls there! I couldn't decide which to take and in addition I was so confused beacuse last time I was in Kiew almost noone of the beauties wanted to go with me. Only private dances. And this time everyone wanted to go. Strange! So I decided for one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen (even next morning without alcohol she was still amazing!). I went upstairs with her and my little Duschka I have always. So time for a threesome. Again we drinked a lot listend to Rock Music and talking about stupid things. After 3 hours they were drunk and so willing and won't say what they did but I can say I had this experience not many times so far. They left at 9:00 am. So again much more time than the 2-3 hours they normally do. I don't know why it works so good this time. But I can just give one advice. I always talk a lot to them in a really nice way, like I'm a really nice guy and that we just want to have some fun with drinking and party. When they are in the aprtment I continue talking talking and offering drinks and provide them good music from my ipod. Some presents are very welcome as well. After a while they get so relaxed that it works just perfect. But of course I sepnd a lot of time to separate in Rio good from bad. With a little bit experience it almost always works.
Right now I have my third Bacardi and heading to Rio in about one hour. Only 2 days left and so many girls on my list! We have to come back in January.
CallSign Papa
12-17-11, 18:31
I think I first went to Kiev around 2004/5 and I fell in love with it the first time I walked Kreshatyk. I've been back many times, pretty much always through work, but the one thing that's never changed is that buzz I get when I talk my first stroll along that busy, girl filled street.
Having just spend 10 day here (including a brief sojourn to Rovno. See Other Areas thread) , I was keen to try as much non-P4P action as I could lay my grubby hands on. Being there for 10 days meant that I could play the long game, which (unless you're Brad Pittski) is essential for results. I made a number of contacts through Mamba, but my real successes were actually girls I'd gone on the odd date with on previous visits and we'd just lost touch. Twice I met with girls I'd had dinner with before (with no results) , and twice I got luckier than I could have hoped.
First a detour. I didn't dabble much in P4P, but what little I did do (forgoing my usual favourite hangout D'Lux) was on Mamba. This site has always been 95% bait and switch when it comes to girls interested in sex for denghi, and it really is a lottery as to what's going to turn up at your door (and FYI, they ALWAYS promise that it's their photos, because mostly, they aren't going to the one showing up at your door, so what do they care about lying for?).
I spent the majority of my time in Kiev going for dinner for regular girls, (5 dinner dates. 3 coffee dates = 3 over night stays from two girls, and one afternoon adventure with a third, them's good odds). Two of those girls I saw on numerous occasions and both mostly involved us being naked inside 4 minutes. If only I could have got these two together. Clearly the benefit of non-P4P dates is that if they don't like you or aren't into you in some way, they aren't going to be getting undressed near you anytime soon. That means if they do, they're going to REALLY into it (as only ukrainian girls can be, for me).
But I did I eventually did get a hankering for a hot girl to just show up, fuck and then disappear (something non-P4Pers don't usually accommodate). So I decided on my last night run an experiment, I would call a number o girls from Mamba and only let one in if the photos were really hers. I was willing to tit about all night if necessary (The Expendables was on tv, I had beer, it was warm inside). As I was in a good mood, I decided to offer rejected girls taxi money.
So how did it go?
First girl, supposed to be blonde. 21, beautiful and slim. What I got was more like 41, chubby and slightly greying! She was sent away.
Second girl, supposed to be 23, tall, slim, brunette, gorgeous. What I got, tall, horse like, big boned. She was sent away.
Third girl, supposed to be 21, tall, slim, brunette, beautiful. What I got tall, slim, brunette, beautiful. But not the girl in the photos. So what a quandary. Should I continue the experiment or cash in and enjoy the night. Yes, doesn't take a brain surgeon to work that one out does it. 800 for 2 hours.
Whilst I can't remember her name, I did get some photos (see photo thread) , she was 21, had good english and apparently was genuinely bi. She asked if I wanted her gf to come over too, I did, but when she called her friend was busy. Ah well, nearly.
We had a few drinks, relaxed and eventually went to the bedroom where she performed admirably. Beautiful body and a great ass. Definitely recommended.
As always I was incredibly sad to be leaving and very apprehensive about how soon I can get back. My advice would be to make the most of it before the Euro's start, no telling how that will impact the city in terms of "our game".
AColonizer
12-17-11, 22:53
Again and again. But can you describe exactly which type of sex and bdsm all of you made? We don't want adjectives but facts. Please!
I think I first went to Kiev around 2004/5 and I fell in love with it the first time I walked Kreshatyk. I've been back many times, pretty much always through work, but the one thing that's never changed is that buzz I get when I talk my first stroll along that busy, girl filled street.
Having just spend 10 day here (including a brief sojourn to Rovno. See Other Areas thread) , I was keen to try as much non-P4P action as I could lay my grubby hands on. Being there for 10 days meant that I could play the long game...
Third girl, supposed to be 21, tall, slim, brunette, beautiful. What I got tall, slim, brunette, beautiful. But not the girl in the photos. So what a quandary. Should I continue the experiment or cash in and enjoy the night. Yes, doesn't take a brain surgeon to work that one out does it. 800 for 2 hours.CSP, great reports particularly the one on Rovno/Rivne.
Out of curiosity, what currency are you talking about above?
Hopefully Grivna and not euro or dollars?
VG
CallSign Papa
12-18-11, 04:57
Hopefully Grivna and not euro or dollars?Thanks. Was indeed Grivna Gergiev, have now uploaded some photos of her.
I think I first went to Kiev around 2004/5 and I fell in love with it the first time I walked Kreshatyk. I've been back many times, pretty much always through work, but the one thing that's never changed is that buzz I get when I talk my first stroll along that busy, girl filled street.
Having just spend 10 day here (including a brief sojourn to Rovno. See Other Areas thread) , I was keen to try as much non-P4P action as I could lay my grubby hands on. Being there for 10 days meant that I could play the long game, which (unless you're Brad Pittski) is essential for results. I made a number of contacts through Mamba, but my real successes were actually girls I'd gone on the odd date with on previous visits and we'd just lost touch. Twice I met with girls I'd had dinner with before (with no results) , and twice I got luckier than I could have hoped.
First a detour. I didn't dabble much in P4P, but what little I did do (forgoing my usual favourite hangout D'Lux) was on Mamba. This site has always been 95% bait and switch when it comes to girls interested in sex for denghi, and it really is a lottery as to what's going to turn up at your door (and FYI, they ALWAYS promise that it's their photos, because mostly, they aren't going to the one showing up at your door, so what do they care about lying for?).
I spent the majority of my time in Kiev going for dinner for regular girls, (5 dinner dates. 3 coffee dates = 3 over night stays from two girls, and one afternoon adventure with a third, them's good odds). Two of those girls I saw on numerous occasions and both mostly involved us being naked inside 4 minutes. If only I could have got these two together. Clearly the benefit of non-P4P dates is that if they don't like you or aren't into you in some way, they aren't going to be getting undressed near you anytime soon. That means if they do, they're going to REALLY into it (as only ukrainian girls can be, for me).
But I did I eventually did get a hankering for a hot girl to just show up, fuck and then disappear (something non-P4Pers don't usually accommodate). So I decided on my last night run an experiment, I would call a number o girls from Mamba and only let one in if the photos were really hers. I was willing to tit about all night if necessary (The Expendables was on tv, I had beer, it was warm inside). As I was in a good mood, I decided to offer rejected girls taxi money.
So how did it go?
First girl, supposed to be blonde. 21, beautiful and slim. What I got was more like 41, chubby and slightly greying! She was sent away.
Second girl, supposed to be 23, tall, slim, brunette, gorgeous. What I got, tall, horse like, big boned. She was sent away.
Third girl, supposed to be 21, tall, slim, brunette, beautiful. What I got tall, slim, brunette, beautiful. But not the girl in the photos. So what a quandary. Should I continue the experiment or cash in and enjoy the night. Yes, doesn't take a brain surgeon to work that one out does it. 800 for 2 hours.
Whilst I can't remember her name, I did get some photos (see photo thread) , she was 21, had good english and apparently was genuinely bi. She asked if I wanted her gf to come over too, I did, but when she called her friend was busy. Ah well, nearly.
We had a few drinks, relaxed and eventually went to the bedroom where she performed admirably. Beautiful body and a great ass. Definitely recommended.
As always I was incredibly sad to be leaving and very apprehensive about how soon I can get back. My advice would be to make the most of it before the Euro's start, no telling how that will impact the city in terms of "our game".Hello, Callsign Papa. Good report. Do you think it is possible to PM me the mamba brunette girl's contact info. I will be there in Kiev in early January.
Thanks.
Miscgk
I am a first timer in Kiev taking in the beautiful sights and sounds. I was in RIO two days ago and it was quite a good show but I didn't see one yet that I wanted to spend 300 on. I've been trying mamba but it's hit and miss but its been mostly miss. I'm learning the ropes.
If anyone can PM recommendations for profiles on Mamba, it would be greatly appreciated.
I'll be in Kiev through the first week of January. If anyone wants to catch a few beers in the downtime, send me a PM.
But I did I eventually did get a hankering for a hot girl to just show up, fuck and then disappear (something non-P4Pers don't usually accommodate). So I decided on my last night run an experiment, I would call a number o girls from Mamba and only let one in if the photos were really hers. I was willing to tit about all night if necessary (The Expendables was on tv, I had beer, it was warm inside). As I was in a good mood, I decided to offer rejected girls taxi money. So how did it go? First girl, supposed to be blonde. 21, beautiful and slim. What I got was more like 41, chubby and slightly greying! She was sent away. Second girl, supposed to be 23, tall, slim, brunette, gorgeous. What I got, tall, horse like, big boned. She was sent away. Third girl, supposed to be 21, tall, slim, brunette, beautiful. What I got tall, slim, brunette, beautiful. But not the girl in the photos. So what a quandary. Should I continue the experiment or cash in and enjoy the night. Yes, doesn't take a brain surgeon to work that one out does it. 800 for 2 hours. Whilst I can't remember her name, I did get some photos (see photo thread) , she was 21, had good english and apparently was genuinely bi. She asked if I wanted her gf to come over too, I did, but when she called her friend was busy. Ah well, nearly. We had a few drinks, relaxed and eventually went to the bedroom where she performed admirably. Beautiful body and a great ass. Definitely recommended. As always I was incredibly sad to be leaving and very apprehensive about how soon I can get back. My advice would be to make the most of it before the Euro's start, no telling how that will impact the city in terms of "our game".For all those p4p'ers out there, CallSign Papa's methodology is exactly how to handle Mamba. Ru, and a good illustration of the odds. I have stated many times before that although the pics on mamba are mostly fake (there are a small minority that have true pics) , you will probably have an experience similar to Papa's, with a few dogs showing up that must be sent off, and then you will soon enough get a hot girl showing up at your door. In a population where girls in the age bracket of 18 to 26 are mostly slim (ukraine doesn't seem to have the obesity problem in the degree that exists in the USA, judging by what one can see just taking a walk on Kreshatik) and a genetic pool with a tendency toward a very nice basic female shape, you are statistically likely to encounter hot girls in that age group if you persist. The common denominator that will produce a fair sampling of the population is: young girls who need money. This common denominator cuts across the population and includes all types of girls. So out of a pool of young girls who need money, you are bound to encounter a fair number of hot ones. It's simple statistics. My only comment is that I would use mamba during the daytime for experimentation and building up a black book with some good numbers of hot girls you can call on in future trips. Also bear in mind that with mamba, it is possible to get such hot girls at a very low rate. Papa reports paying 800 UAH, a standard rate used by many outcall escorts from mamba, but it was for TWO HOURS, meaning he paid 400 UAH per hour, or $50 an hour for a hot girl. That's a low rate, well below any other European city standard rate which hovers in the 100 Euro per hour zone.
However, my view is that during the nightime there are better p4p options such as Rio or nightclubs like D'lux or Buddha Bar, which offer other entertainment value, can yield much more beautiful girls, and are more fun environments compared to waiting in your apartment.
$$$$ USD. Debit Cards. X-change?
Few weeks ago I read in the news about limits on getting CASH!
Have to be registered or have documents?
Whats up?
Will my debit card 'spit' out grivnas!
Need to prepare. Thanks!
LS GuyLS:
I was just there during the weekend at the end of November, and had no problem using my debit card to withdraw as much cash as I needed from various bank ATM machines, as well as the ATM machine inside Rio.
Well GT in Brüggen is IMO not at top at the moment.
Villa Vertigo has on the other hand a solid line-up with some Baltic / Russian girls.
I'll prefer Palace over Oase girl-wise.Nille, thanks for the heads up. I also like Palace in Frankfurt and have developed a strategy which works for me in dealing with the sharky type girls or upselling of extras. But I can't say for sure which club has the better line up between Palace and Oase. I have found great girls at both. In the weekends I've been in Frankfurt I usually try to hit both, as Oase is close enough. Also, if I really don't like the line up at one of those clubs, I am not beyond simply leaving and heading for the other club, choosing to pay an extra entry fee, rather than ruin a weekend.
I'm planning a trip to Europe for weekend of February 16 to 21, and since I will be in Kiev at the end of March (March 28 to April 4) I am probably going to use the February trip to get to Frankfurt, or maybe try Berlin this time (or both). I also am considering stops in Zurich or Madrid, simply because the airfares come out lower when I fly into and out of those cities. I haven't decided on an itinerary yet, and it also depends on if some of my friends are coming with me this time or not, but if I get up to the Cologne area, I would probably try to hit both Goldentime as well as Villa Vertigo. Thanks.
LJ
Thank you for a great report! Just one question, how much do you give a girl for taxi fare in Kiev? I am planing to go in the summer and I want to do exactly what you did!
I think I first went to Kiev around 2004/5 and I fell in love with it the first time I walked Kreshatyk. I've been back many times, pretty much always through work, but the one thing that's never changed is that buzz I get when I talk my first stroll along that busy, girl filled street.
Having just spend 10 day here (including a brief sojourn to Rovno. See Other Areas thread) , I was keen to try as much non-P4P action as I could lay my grubby hands on. Being there for 10 days meant that I could play the long game, which (unless you're Brad Pittski) is essential for results. I made a number of contacts through Mamba, but my real successes were actually girls I'd gone on the odd date with on previous visits and we'd just lost touch. Twice I met with girls I'd had dinner with before (with no results) , and twice I got luckier than I could have hoped.
First a detour. I didn't dabble much in P4P, but what little I did do (forgoing my usual favourite hangout D'Lux) was on Mamba. This site has always been 95% bait and switch when it comes to girls interested in sex for denghi, and it really is a lottery as to what's going to turn up at your door (and FYI, they ALWAYS promise that it's their photos, because mostly, they aren't going to the one showing up at your door, so what do they care about lying for?).
"our game".
Thank you for a great report! Just one question, how much do you give a girl for taxi fare in Kiev? I am planing to go in the summer and I want to do exactly what you did!Jim, this question has been discussed numerous previous times in the Kiev thread. By asking this question, you are betraying the fact that you have not done sufficient research and reading of the earlier posts on this thread. To succeed at this endeavor, you must be adequately prepared. Don't worry, I will spoonfeed you the answer to your question here again because maybe it will help others who are lazy also. Not adequately preparing yourself with the knowledge contained in the last year's worth of posts to any destination when you have adequate time to do so, is foolish and will result in many mistakes being made which could have easily been avoided, and can drastically reduce your success and fun rate on a visit from what it could have been. I am saying these things to you, and at the same time to all those other newbies out there similarly situated, who are toying with the idea of a Kiev trip. Read the forum. Don't be lazy. Read the thread for a year going back. It will definitely pay off for you.
In the case of the Kiev thread, there had been a major change in the city's p4p scene which took place toward the end of the year 2010 when a particular WG ("working girl") hangout called the River Palace was towed away by order of the government. The River Palace had been a riverboat which had a unique nightclub / discotheque which was attended nightly solely by women who were prostitutes and the men who wanted to find a date with them. It was an environment which made finding a hot girl for the night as easy as shooting fish in a barrel. Nevertheless, your mongering skills were still called upon both to negotiate price as well as to steer you clear of the bad apples and to pick out the type of girl who would give the best GFE type session. But this environment made p4p an easy prospect, when all other means to find a girl had failed. It was the "good old days" in Kiev, fondly remembered by this writer from his novice trips to Kiev. As a result of this major change from the loss of the River Palace as a meeting ground for p4p activities, the monger community had to adapt to the new situation, and you will find, from reading the reports on this thread for the period following the demise of the River Palace, that it took some months before more clarity emerged on how best to pursue the hobby of p4p in Kiev in the post. River Palace era. My own posts began in or about March of 2011 in which I made some efforts at a detailed consolidation of the knowledge about p4p contained in the prior posts as well as from experience on the ground. So I suggest that from now until your trip next summer you make a point of reading this thread from at least March of 2011, copy and pasting good tidbits of advice into your own summary document to which you can refer later and reread until it sinks in. There is also much knowledge in posts from further back, but you have to start somewhere.
Let me give you a good example of a major pitfall which could definitely affect your trip, which if you failed to read the prior posts as I am recommending you to do, you would miss knowing about, and you would suffer the consequences. The year 2012 will see a major international sporting event take place in Kiev which will bring into the city tens of thousands of additional tourists, among them many men looking for some diversion into the world of Ukrainian p4p pussy. This is expected to have a major impact on inflating the pricing of p4p both in the period of the duration of this influx, as well as in the period thereafter, as the higher prices the girls will no doubt get will spoil them and raise their expectations, and we fear eliminate the possibility of low cost pussy in Kiev for a long time. You had best find out more about this sporting event to be held in Kiev and its dates by reading the prior posts about it, since your trip may well be affected by it. If not for this tip that I am giving you now to research this issue adequately, by failing to read the prior posts, you might have remained oblivious to this major problem that might directly affect your success at p4p. So read the thread adequately.
Now, I will discuss your specific question about what is the amount of taxi fee to give an outcall escort who shows up looking nothing like the picture on the internet you were promised on the phone was a true picture of her, and the girl who shows up is not to your liking in appearance, ability to communicate in the language you know, or in her demeanor, so you are going to send her away. The usual answer is that 50 UAH should be adequate. But I will fine tune this answer a little bit more. My experience in Kiev has been that when ordering a taxi from a reputable taxi company over the phone, to get from point A to point B in downtown Kiev, the fare has usually been quoted over the phone in advance as these companies do, in the range of 30 UAH. This is the price a local person would pay. Typically, when taking a taxi from my apartment to be dropped off at Rio strip club, taxis I grab at the curb or on the street, will demand a flat fee of 50 UAH. When leaving the Rio strip club with a girl and being directed into the cab of the taxi mafia sitting waiting in front of the Rio club, you will have to pay 100 UAH for taxi fare (as was the case when getting a taxi with a girl when coming out of the old River Palace, as well). This is the "strip club premium" that the local taxi drivers are alert to be able to charge a guy going to and coming from a strip club. Knowing these foregoing facts will allow you to appreciate that giving a taxi fee of 50 UAH to an outcall escort that you are sending away from your door because she is too far below expectations, is more than adequate for any trip from your door to another location downtown where she is likely to be coming from. If she came from a more distant location requiring in excess of 50 UAH in taxi cost in order to perpetrate this fraud upon you of delivering a substandard looking girl after promising to you the beautiful girl that was presented in her internet photos, then perhaps she should bear some of the cost and responsibility for the fraud she participated in. The likelihood is that there is in fact no taxi fee, and that a driver from her agency is waiting for her anyway. So the "taxi fee" is more than likely an attempt to extract something from you upon being sent away. So if you give 50 UAH (about $6. 25 USD) as the taxi fee upon sending a girl away, it is adequate under the circumstances.
However, even though a taxi fee of 50 UAH (about $6. 25 USD) may seem a small amount by Western standards, if you keep getting girl after girl who is too ugly, fat or old to consider keeping for sex, and you must send away many girls, this "taxi cost" will begin to add up to a major expense. The frustration with this and the reprehensible attitude of the escort agencies using fake pictures of beautiful girls and then sending ugly girls, has caused some mongers to have the opinion that they will not pay the taxi fee when an ugly girl is sent, when a pretty girl was promised.
Of course, if you refuse to pay the taxi fee to girls you are sending away, it will not be too long before you are black-listed by the escort agencies and they will not send any further girls to you. This will of course terminate your efforts to find a hot girl by accident using the internet escort agencies, which is the strategy being used by mongers who are ordering and sending away girls until one shows up that looks good. That is, unless you you can find an outcall agency that is unconnected with the agencies with which you have burned your bridges with already. Be aware, in this regard, that an agency may be using many different internet sites and telephone numbers, and you will have no way of knowing which websites and numbers are inter related and part of the same agency.
So it is a judgment call as to whether to pay the taxi fee to a girl being sent away or not, in which you must balance the degree of the fraud committed against you by the agency, versus the risk of being black listed by the agency if you repeatedly don't give the taxi fee when sending a girl away, and taking into account that the poor girl may herself not be in control of anything and is somewhat a victim of the agency also. When I say the "degree of fraud" I am referring to how ugly the girl is compared to her "true pictures" as promised by the agency phone girl. The agency phone girl will swear to being the actual girl who is coming to your door, and she will promise it to you in good English, but the lie will usually be exposed when the girl at your door can't utter a blessed English word.
My thinking is that it is quite understandable that young girls might not want their actual pictures on the internet, lest they be recognized and exposed in front of family and friends in what they are doing to earn a few extra bucks. So I actually have no problem with the use of sample pictures of a model that are not true pictures of the actual girl, as long as they are "representative" of the actual girl, although I would prefer actual pictures of the girl's body with her face blurred, because to me the sexiness of the girl's body is the major element contributing to a girl's "hotness"."Representative" pictures means that pictures of a skinny, young, pretty brunette, with a good sexy body, are being used for an actual girl who is in fact a skinny, young, pretty brunette, with a good sexy body. Why on earth would I have reason to complain if a skinny, young, pretty brunette, with a good sexy body showed up on my doorstep in response to my call, when that is what I was expecting to receive. I would even be happy if the skinny, young, pretty girl, with a good sexy body, was a blonde or even a redhead. What the fuck difference does it make?
Now, there have actually been more than one delusional poster on this forum who have gotten it into their head that if the girl is not the actual girl in the picture, as promised, that she should be sent away even if she is a very pretty, sexy, very hot girl. Guys who think this way don't "get it". Perhaps they think that they will teach the "lying" escort agencies a lesson and if enough girls are sent away then the escort agencies will see the "error of their ways" and it will reform the agencies to be good henceforth and only use actual pictures, or at least admit to us on the phone that the photos are only simulation and representative of the model being sent. Such thinking is naive and betrays a total lack of street smarts. It will never happen. The only thing that will happen is that the delusional monger who sends away the pretty, sexy hot girl who showed up on his doorstep, will not have sex with that pretty, sexy hot girl he could have had sex with. I say he is delusional because he has forgotten the reason why he came to Kiev, which was to have low cost sex with pretty, sexy, hot girls, and instead he has gotten himself caught up in some deluded crusade to reform the internet outcall agencies to his own detriment, a task which is not worth wasting a second on. A more practical, goal oriented monger, would not entertain such nonsense, and would nail every sufficiently pretty, sexy, hot girl who presents herself for nailing, unless her price was too high, or her demeanor and personality too difficult. 'Nuff said on this, as my words are not for the guy who would think of sending a hot girl away, but rather are more for the benefit of those who are still in learning phase and open to insight.
So to get back to the original point, the only reason I would recommend considering not paying the taxi fee, would be when the departure from the truth was so egregious, that it displays utter contempt by the escort agency for you as a potential customer. This would be the case for example, when instead of the pretty, sexy, skinny, young brunette with the hot body in the advertised picture they claimed was a true picture, the agency sent you instead a very fat or very ugly woman. But for girls who are in between, meaning they are just average looking and not enough to your taste to waste your precious Kiev time on, as you are looking for a hotter daydream, more like the picture you saw on the internet, then I would take the risk of being black-listed more seriously and consider paying her the taxi fee upon sending her away. But even if you are sending a girl away, before you resort to non payment of taxi fee, I would recommend trying the following two things. First, I would show the girl who showed up the picture of the girl on the internet you were promised to receive by the agency. She has surely never seen it before. There is a possibility she may know of a girl at her agency that is more in tune with your desires and may be able to speak to someone back at the agency on your behalf to send that girl. This has actually happened to me, so I don't make this up out of thin air. Furthermore, I would get on the phone with the agency phone girl and call her on the misrepresentation about the girl's appearance, and say you have a girl here at your door who is simply not up to par and it is necessary to send her away, and obviously they are using fake pictures and lying about it, but that if they are willing to work with you and have someone who is a skinny, pretty and hot young girl, with a good body, then maybe you will work with them, and could they please send over their best two or three girls for you to choose from and you will pick one or two of them. These steps are surely worth trying before one resorts to simply sending away girls with no taxi fee, risking being blacklisted eventually.
The foregoing goes for all internet escort calls, whether from mamba. Ru, or top-modals. Com, or any other website advertising girls for 800 UAH ($100 USD) or a lower rate such as 600 UAH or 500 UAH per hour. There are reports of guys getting more than one hour for the 800 UAH fee, or getting the second hour for only a few hundred more grivna, so that the net result is an hourly cost significantly lower than $100 / hr.
There are also internet websites with ads for girls at the 1200 UAH ($150 USD) per hour price range. One might consider such ads, especially if they will discount the multiple hour rate, such as accept less for the second hour so that the total price will net out at closer to the $100 / hour zone.
Then there are internet agencies in Kiev asking for higher prices per hour, such as 150 EURO or 200 EURO per hour, which are rates that are very high for the Kiev local market, and are more international type rates that are usual for such escorts in western european countries. Such high prices are akin to the $300 / hr or $400 / hr being demanded by some of the Kiev hotties in the nightclubs like D'lux and Buddha Bar. The only justification for succumbing to such a high price is if one has struck out in all other avenues available in Kiev to get very hot women, (and their are plenty of hot women available in the $100 / hr zone in Kiev) , and / or one feels a desperate urge to simply have a supermodel to satisfy one's desire for such a creature, regardless of cost. There are no reported experiences, however, to justify an expectation that internet agencies in Kiev charging 150 Euro / hr or 200 Euro / hr will deliver the girls they have pictured in their internet websites. And it is entirely likely that they will deliver the same type of girls the lower priced agencies deliver, only they will do it at the higher price, so the joke is on you. For all we know, it could be the very same agency which has two different tiers of prices in two or more different websites that all advertise for the same actual girls, just at different prices. However, there is a possibility that this is not the case.
I found a similar situation existing in Prague some years back when I investigated that sex haven. After finding out that GFE sex that included OWO (oral without, I. E. Uncovered blow job) and DATY, as well as the other elements of GFE, with very high level beautiful girls was simply not available at the stripclubs in Prague, as well as not easily available at clubs similar to the vaunted K5 and others, and satisfied that the privat apartments didn't have the level of beautiful type models I was looking for, I tried some of the higher end agencies operating in Prague with very good results of amazing looking girls providing great GFE sex, but it cost a pretty penny.
So before dismissing the high end agencies in Kiev charging 150 Euro / hr or 200 Euro / hr entirely from consideration, if there is a monger out there who was prepared to pay $300 or $400 per hour demanded by a supermodel type in D'lux nightclub, it might be worthwhile for such a monger to investigate whether these types of very hot girls were available through high end agencies of Kiev as well, with any consistency. However, in the case of high end priced agencies in Kiev, I would not give them more than one chance to produce a supermodel, as advertised, to my door. If any bullshit is encountered in this, they will have revealed themselves as the same "bait and switch" scam artists as are the lower end agencies in Kiev, uniformly.
The only reason I have not investigated such high end agencies in Kiev myself yet, is because I remain satisfied with the level of beauty that I get with many girls at Rio strip club who are available for $100 / hr rate with a minimum of three hours per booking, for a total of $300/3hours. So I have not felt the need to entertain the demands of the hotties available at the nightclubs where I can see what they look like, nor the high end internet agencies where the girl is an unknown until she shows up.
As for a general survey of the available options in Kiev and detailed explanations of how to go about it all, well, that's what reading the prior posts as I recommended is all about.
Happy Hunting.
LJ
AColonizer
12-27-11, 01:42
Easy: nothing and never, rates include transport too. Maybe a tip for a very wonderful work, but it seldom happens! Men usually say too many words for silly things. Mongering is a hard art that requires smartness first of all. If men use penis instead of brain, then they never get a good result. I met too many girls asking for a taxi fare when I saw those girls coming to my flat by foot, by bus or by underground (and the same about going back). Wake up: taxi fare is a reason to get more money. And rates in Kiev are high and it is not necessary to be cheated also for a taxi fare!
Thank you for a great report! Just one question, how much do you give a girl for taxi fare in Kiev? I am planing to go in the summer and I want to do exactly what you did!
Did the Mamba Mambo last night. Pulled a nice girl. Jet black hair, blue eyes, and flawless skin. She wasn't the one advertised on the mamba ad but who cares if she's hot? Not me. We had a nice time. I think I wore her out. She must work out though because her muscle tone was excellent. She was a trooper and very friendly. I always try to share a glass of wine and some chocolates before we get started. They love the wine but always eschew the chocolates. It's amazing. Got to love these girls for zealously protecting their figures. They only will drink one glass of wine though. Not sure if they are just being polite by not drinking too much, or they want to avoid getting drunk.
I know that if I pay for the girl I do not have to give her taxi fare, but what I am asking is that if I return the girl because I do not like what I see, how much is the taxi fare cost in Kiev?
Easy: nothing and never, rates include transport too. Maybe a tip for a very wonderful work, but it seldom happens! Men usually say too many words for silly things. Mongering is a hard art that requires smartness first of all. If men use penis instead of brain, then they never get a good result. I met too many girls asking for a taxi fare when I saw those girls coming to my flat by foot, by bus or by underground (and the same about going back). Wake up: taxi fare is a reason to get more money. And rates in Kiev are high and it is not necessary to be cheated also for a taxi fare!
Hello, fellow mongers,
I land in Kiev tomorrow morning and plan to stay over the New Year Eve. Will be done with all business appointments by 18:00 Friday and due to lack of time (with only Friday evening and Saturday half day available) I probably will work through through sexkiev. Net list of girls. Thanks to this board (special thanks to LJ) I understand that one should expect 70% of the girls to be of unacceptable quality. I guess I'll just hire a driver for couple of hours, be open upfront with the agency operator and just show up, check and decide.
So that's the plan.
If anyone of you are in Kiev at the same time and want to team up or need help in Russian. PM please, I am open minded.
My background: spent 3 months in Kiev in 2005, live in Frankfurt (literally next to FKK-Palace) , speak & look Russian. 35y. O, drink 3 shots per night maximum.
Happy hunting everyone.
S
I know that if I pay for the girl I do not have to give her taxi fare, but what I am asking is that if I return the girl because I do not like what I see, how much is the taxi fare cost in Kiev?.
The JOJO in me tells me 50 UAH.
Who am I 2 argue. .
If the the girl is from an agency, and you want to be on their books for future bookings, just give her 50 UA, and Bob is your Uncle.
Fat Assed Taxi drivers in New York expect 20% Tip on top of the Fare.
London Taxi drivers 10% on top of the fare and the other charges.
And here you are dealing with a Pussy.
I know that if I pay for the girl I do not have to give her taxi fare, but what I am asking is that if I return the girl because I do not like what I see, how much is the taxi fare cost in Kiev?First, when you originally posted this same question a few posts ago, you were wrong for being too lazy to read the thread where your question about taxi fare for an escort coming to your apartment has been previously discussed and answered.
Second, you were already answered but a few posts previously but apparently you cannot read even that far back, or perhaps you think your question merits being repeated or defended. It doesn't.
Third, your statement here is wrong too because there is essentially no difference between the two situations and you will likely be asked for taxi fare both by the girl being sent away, as well as by the girl who was hot enough for you and you chose to keep her and maybe even you just had a fantastic session with her. In fact, there is even more reason to give the beautiful girl who just gave you fantastic sex a taxi fare home as a sort of tip or thank you, because you might actually want to see her again and it will further the budding relationship between you and her, and she may give you her personal number and will come to you happily in the future at your beck and call, a worthy addition to your list of numbers of hot women you can call when you come to Kiev. But instead you chose to tell her no, you will not give her taxi fare of even 50 UAH ($6. 25 USD) , because you feel that the fee of for example 800 UAH ($100 USD) was too much for this beautiful girl to receive who just gave you an hour (or more) of fantastic sex. So you will show yourself to this girl to be a really cheap guy and I'm sure this will be a great incentive for her to come to you in the future. You will have displayed the full measure of your actual judgment or understanding of girl skills and you will reap what you sow.
Fourth, I am choosing to answer you again solely to point out the folly of the thinking you expressed above for the benefit of other newbies who may still have hope. You however have found your mentor in Acolonizer, a true veteran, whose posts are always entertaining but whose viewpoint is far more cynical towards WG's than my own, so good luck to you, Jim, in that. Perhaps you will be able to see, as he claims to be able to see, how a girl arrived to his apartment, whether by underground or bus. I guess you will have to wait a while on the street in front of your apartment for a while in order to see this, because these girls are seldom on time. But you will at least be able to save the $6. 25 in taxi fare this way. I am usually just waiting upstairs inside my apartment, so I just assumed she probably didn't really come by taxi and that the request is just another angle they use to get a little more money out of us, and I made my decision about whether to give her taxi fare based on the factors I laid out in my last post. But don't stop here. Since you have found your mentor, click on Acolonizer's name and access his prior posts, as you will need more guidance on how to properly treat the WG's that come to your apartment, and who better to learn from if not someone who thinks similar to yourself. And not giving any taxi fare is just the tip of the iceberg as there is much more you can learn from him.
Hello, fellow mongers,
I will spend NYE in Kiev and due to lack of time but will to be entertained I think I just call through the list of girls like sexkiev or similar. Judging by recent posts one can expect that majority of girls will be of unacceptable quality, nevertheless I think I just use a taxi and be open upfront with agency operator, show up, check and decide until I end up with a girl I like.
Since business appointments should be done by Friday lunchtime, I think my time of research will be Friday afternoon and Saturday morning. PM if anyone needs anything or wants to team up or meet for drinks. (my background: life in Frankfurt next to FKK Palace, speak good Russian. 35y, drink 3 shots per night maximum)
Happy hunting everyone!
S
AColonizer
12-28-11, 18:48
I wrote a wonderful algoritm that could solve any doubts. Unfortunately, something wrong about cookies, and it was deleted with the upload. Anyway, not be afraid of agencies, they treat customers as shit.
I know that if I pay for the girl I do not have to give her taxi fare, but what I am asking is that if I return the girl because I do not like what I see, how much is the taxi fare cost in Kiev?
Hello, fellow mongers,
I will spend NYE in Kiev and due to lack of time but will to be entertained I think I just call through the list of girls like sexkiev or similar. Judging by recent posts one can expect that majority of girls will be of unacceptable quality, nevertheless I think I just use a taxi and be open upfront with agency operator, show up, check and decide until I end up with a girl I like.
Since business appointments should be done by Friday lunchtime, I think my time of research will be Friday afternoon and Saturday morning. PM if anyone needs anything or wants to team up or meet for drinks. (my background: life in Frankfurt next to FKK Palace, speak good Russian. 35y, drink 3 shots per night maximum)
Happy hunting everyone!
SGood luck on your project! Don't forget to include in your mission list top-modals. Com "real photo" girls from where I have previously gotten two pretty good girls who used actual pics (no guarantees on real photos though) , as well as sending out a blurb to all mamba. Ru girls who you see are "online" when you login to come over if they are hot and want to start the new year off with a bang, and maybe some fireworks. These two sites have been producing some good results. Then there's sites like minuet. Biz and a bunch of others you can get by doing a Google search for "Kiev escort" or similar which are more of a gamble, some of which advertise lower prices 800 UAH or below. You may also want to ask somea taxi drivers if they want to take you on a tour of some of the local girl apartments to find the girl of your dreams. Good hunting, and look forward to reading your reports.
LJ
I didn't find much info about the quality and extent of private dances at Rio here. It is always beneficial to feel chemistry out in a private dance before a take out, but I am unsure of the extent one can get to in Rio dances. What is a typical dance like? What is off limits and what is considered standard? Especially interested in knowing about DFK.
Second question, is there any issue bringing girls to the Intercontinental?
I didn't find much info about the quality and extent of private dances at Rio here. It is always beneficial to feel chemistry out in a private dance before a take out, but I am unsure of the extent one can get to in Rio dances. What is a typical dance like? What is off limits and what is considered standard? Especially interested in knowing about DFK.
Second question, is there any issue bringing girls to the Intercontinental?The subject of the quality and extent of private dances at Rio has been the subjuct of a fair number of posts in previous months this year, so the reason you "didn't find" is because you didn't look sufficiently by actually reading the thread going back an appropriate number of months. But I recognize that actually reading the thread is a tedious task to those who prefer the easy way out of just posting a previously asked question again here.
But I will tell you that private dances at Rio are hotter than anything I've ever experienced at strip clubs in major cities in the West (at least with many girls at Rio). Kising of nipples, direct fingering of pussy, kissing, fondling of cock through the material of your pants, all the goodies, have happened at Rio in the privacy of the private dance room, but not with every customer and not with every girl. That is why the private dance is an important tool to be used to find a girl for take out that has some chemistry with you. If she shuts you down and won't allow you to touch her at all or kiss anything, and there are such ice queens working there, then it's a no brainer that she is not going to be very forthcoming and giving when it comes to sex if you're foolish enough to take such a girl home because she is very beautiful in your eyes and you really want her. There are no rules requiring her to give you a great experience sexually. That is why finding a girl who actually likes you and with whom you have experienced some chemistry in a private dance and even in conversation at your table is important in the search for the girl who will provide a GFE sexual experience back at your apartment / hotel. The more you feel she is really into you, the better are the chances for good sex if you take her home.
I'm not into DFK with these girls, so I have never had it in a private dance at Rio. But obviously it is something that would be initiated by a customer. Did it ever happen? Possibly, but don't count on it.
All sexual advances during a private dance should be done as a gentleman, by asking permission in advance with a smile, or by touching slowly and gently and then if she lets you and doesn't push you away, you may try to go further. It's common sense, because if you are too rough and grabby, you will be off-putting to her rather than sensual or attractive. So applying that "no grabbing" principle to the focus of your question, I would say that trying to jam your uninvited tongue down her throat in the first moments of a private dance is the surest way to a disaster. As with these things in real life, there is a moment that must be reached between two people for which each advance becomes more appropriate to try, and you must use your judgment in this. If it is your goal to find a girl with whom DFK is possible back at your apartment, then it is reasonable to test the waters with girls during a private dance, as how else will you ever know. But it may not be possible in the private dance room because of club rules. So I've been told by some girls even with reference to just kissing on the lips. Yet again with some girls I did get a kiss on the lips, although not with many. Obviously, just because she would not do certain sexual acts during a $25 private dance, in which there might be cameras in the private rooms, doesn't mean she won't do them when taken out for a date with a $300 fee. So you simply have to gauge the chemistry the girl has with you and make an educated guess about it.
Or one can try working the topic into your conversation with her to find out her thoughts and feelings about the specific sexual act in question. Maybe ask her if she thinks she is a good kisser and get into a whole conversation about kissing. Maybe you can find out if she is a fan of DFK or not. But this is risky as she might say no to doing something when the question is posed in a conversation in a clinical theoretical fashion, whereas in the heat of passion she may well do just that thing about which you asked. A case in point was the issue of enjoying DATY, which one girl at Rio during a private dance said no, she does not like it, and the same girl was taken out by another guy and when he wrote his report it revealed how much she was into DATY and enjoyed it thoroughly.
It's a quandary. How to find out what a girl will do back at the apartment sexually, based upon what she will do during the private dance. We've all been there. Not only about DFK or DATY, but about any of the sexual relations that are part of GFE. We have to use our wits and our judgment and base our educated guess on the clues we can pick up from the girl in conversation with her, as well as what goes down in a private dance with her when you gently test the waters.
LJ
LifeSavour
12-29-11, 21:55
After living in Kyiv from 2003 until late 2009 where I had the extreme luxury of TIME (to work the FreeB's) last week I arrived back and had 8 days to ply my OLD game. And I say old as I am mid 50's & not little & not hott & not a clubber. And I am happy to report I did all right. I was using mamba & love. Mail. Ru. I had many to meet, too many!
One plus I have is that I do not need the young one, in fact it is the personality I long for! I found that right off in a MILF. 33. From another city. Working here and has left her child at home with granny! Common! She was wild. In fact she fawked me to ALMOST death! I tried to give money-NO! I tried to buy dinners, drinks, gifts. NO! She just wanted to come (lived 10 minutes from my Krasn'o flat) & romp!
In between I meet 4 other gals. All mamba. All for some $$ 500 to 800 uah. 1 I even gave 200 taxi $$ too! She was just 18. So sweet, could only come between 11:00 & 15:00. She worked so hard, I had to treat her! Problem with her was that I asked about mama & after seeing the foto. I WANT MAMA! Xa xa.
My points in this rant: BE HONEST, BE A GOOD GUY, MAKE THEM LAUGH, & TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT. Each girl sucked with no condom and let me finish CIM! (I am selling LESSONS in how to get this, PM me)!
Now my REAL girl from Sevastopol is here and sleeping while I write this. I am in my 3rd apartment. Trying to hide! We fly at 7:00 utra toooooooo.
PS. I had my notebook web cam recording ALL action. I had my camera in another location. I will be making movies. Maybe even 2 D! Xa.
PPS. Fotos to come!
AColonizer
12-30-11, 16:20
Hi LifeSavour,
What do you mean with CIM exactly?
After living in Kyiv from 2003 until late 2009 where I had the extreme luxury of TIME (to work the FreeB's) last week I arrived back and had 8 days to ply my OLD game. And I say old as I am mid 50's & not little & not hott & not a clubber. And I am happy to report I did all right. I was using mamba & love. Mail. Ru. I had many to meet, too many!
One plus I have is that I do not need the young one, in fact it is the personality I long for! I found that right off in a MILF. 33. From another city. Working here and has left her child at home with granny! Common! She was wild. In fact she fawked me to ALMOST death! I tried to give money-NO! I tried to buy dinners, drinks, gifts. NO! She just wanted to come (lived 10 minutes from my Krasn'o flat) & romp!
In between I meet 4 other gals. All mamba. All for some $$ 500 to 800 uah. 1 I even gave 200 taxi $$ too! She was just 18. So sweet, could only come between 11:00 & 15:00. She worked so hard, I had to treat her! Problem with her was that I asked about mama & after seeing the foto. I WANT MAMA! Xa xa.
My points in this rant: BE HONEST, BE A GOOD GUY, MAKE THEM LAUGH, & TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT. Each girl sucked with no condom and let me finish CIM! (I am selling LESSONS in how to get this, PM me)!
Now my REAL girl from Sevastopol is here and sleeping while I write this. I am in my 3rd apartment. Trying to hide! We fly at 7:00 utra toooooooo.
PS. I had my notebook web cam recording ALL action. I had my camera in another location. I will be making movies. Maybe even 2 D! Xa.
PPS. Fotos to come!
LifeSavour
12-31-11, 07:39
Hi LifeSavour,
What do you mean with CIM exactly?As any veteran knows (1st venture in UKR. 2000) the word finish is used by the ladies to mean "cum", orgasm, ejaculate."Did you finish?" "F I N I S H"
Therefore I finished, CIM with all of them!
The last 26 year old that visited for 600 uah, on the phone she said ALL of my demands could be meet. But only after seeing me!
I always make them agree to: " Ya lublu 69, bez preservative. Classic sex in condom " If they say HET, we do not meet! I guess she liked what she saw
As she was kissing and hugging me at the door. I've also got some other key words & phrases that I use to help make them want me as much as I want them!
LS "the Master Negotiator" Guy!
Ps. I think many guys fail more often with these ladies because of "desperation" OR "arrogance". These babes can smell both. I do well because I tell them I am the nicest man they will ever meet and I also let them know that I am the only ONE and that if the 1st taxi wants too much $$, there are 20 more following right behind. I am never desparate!
AColonizer
12-31-11, 22:21
Beh, CIM could have several meanings, most people are wrong with that. What you said is obvious, but we need a detailed description. Thanxxx.
As any veteran knows (1st venture in UKR. 2000) the word finish is used by the ladies to mean "cum", orgasm, ejaculate."Did you finish?" "F I N I S H"
Therefore I finished, CIM with all of them!
The last 26 year old that visited for 600 uah, on the phone she said ALL of my demands could be meet. But only after seeing me!
I always make them agree to: " Ya lublu 69, bez preservative. Classic sex in condom " If they say HET, we do not meet! I guess she liked what she saw
As she was kissing and hugging me at the door. I've also got some other key words & phrases that I use to help make them want me as much as I want them!
LS "the Master Negotiator" Guy!
Ps. I think many guys fail more often with these ladies because of "desperation" OR "arrogance". These babes can smell both. I do well because I tell them I am the nicest man they will ever meet and I also let them know that I am the only ONE and that if the 1st taxi wants too much $$, there are 20 more following right behind. I am never desparate!
LifeSavour
01-01-12, 09:15
Beh, CIM could have several meanings, most people are wrong with that. What you said is obvious, but we need a detailed description. Thanxxx.What details could possibly say it better?
AColonizer
01-01-12, 20:06
CIM = cum into mouth.
Handjob with CIM (like in 90% porn movies)
Blowjob with CIM.
Half penis blowjob with CIM.
Deep throat blowjob with CIM.
Half penis blowjob with CIM and spit.
Half penis blowjob with CIM and swallow.
Deep throat blowjob with CIM and spit.
Deep throat blowjob with CIM and swallow.
Is it enough?
What details could possibly say it better?
cim = cum into mouth.
Handjob with cim (like in 90% porn movies)
blowjob with cim.
Half penis blowjob with cim.
Deep throat blowjob with cim.
Half penis blowjob with cim and spit.
Half penis blowjob with cim and swallow.
Deep throat blowjob with cim and spit.
Deep throat blowjob with cim and swallow.
Is it enough?a load of bollocks.
I am planning a trip to Kiev next month, middle of February. Can you please tell me what is the weather like? Thanks.
Cheers.
Harry Hirsch
01-03-12, 12:25
Bad weather, maybe snowing, raining COLD.
Not a good time to go to Kiev.
If you have a flat with yacuzzi, Sauna, then it is OK.
AColonizer
01-03-12, 12:33
Yes, yes. Moreover I am reading in all the forum-wide, even in Germany thread, men call a pussy condomed fuck "a fuck" and a half penis blowjob with spit "a blowjob". OMG! I am reading AO party where AO is a tricky word, a lot of gangbangs are with women whom we could dream in a nightmare, I am reading men who excite with a pussy lick or a fake moan, yes, yes. Western pimps try to convince customers to spend ten times money for transport, accommodation and (no-) sex, yes, yes. .
a load of bollocks.
Yes, yes. Moreover I am reading in all the forum-wide, even in Germany thread, men call a pussy condomed fuck "a fuck" and a half penis blowjob with spit "a blowjob". OMG! I am reading AO party where AO is a tricky word, a lot of gangbangs are with women whom we could dream in a nightmare, I am reading men who excite with a pussy lick or a fake moan, yes, yes. Western pimps try to convince customers to spend ten times money for transport, accommodation and (no-) sex, yes, yes. .Yes, Yes, words of wisdom straight from The Colon.
And, yes, yes, it ain't half as good, as it was in Up Pompii.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIpkNVL1JNQ
I am planning a trip to Kiev next month, middle of February. Can you please tell me what is the weather like? Thanks.
Cheers.I did look online weather forecast and February month in Kiev dosent look to plesent weather wise. I woud not say its bad time to go, it rather depends what you whant from your trip. I will book this week long weekend trip 16-20 February.
Bad weather don't bother me and I like it when it is off season.
CallSign Papa
01-03-12, 20:05
I am planning a trip to Kiev next month, middle of February. Can you please tell me what is the weather like? Thanks.
Cheers.To summarise in one word. COLD!
During the day it'll be around 0C if you're lucky, or -5C if you're not (but it'll feel much colder, gotta love that windchill). At night it'll get down to. 15C. Lots of slushy snow on the ground to so take the appropriate footwear.
Bad weather, maybe snowing, raining COLD.
Not a good time to go to Kiev.
If you have a flat with yacuzzi, Sauna, then it is OK.I was last end of December (not in Kiev but in a city 400 km from Kiev) and was really cold outside but apartment and shopping mall was ok. The bad news is with this cold weather you don't see the girls in the street with their sexy clothes. We have to wait for warm weather for this pleasure but in my opinion December was ok and trust Feb too because I plan to travel to Kiev end of February too
Just wonder if anyone try this company and if all went smooth?
http://www.bestkievapartment.com/
Hi everyone,
As mentioned 5 days ago I went to Kiev for the New Year and here is what I can report:
Weather: currently unusually warm around 0-5 Celsius, no snow on NYE. This wasn't the case like in decades. But it's doesn't mean that it's going to stay this way.
Upfront: as someone used to FKK's and probably due to many years of absence it took me too long time to realize that not all girls do BBBJ and let you cum in mouth. I kind of got used to it in FKK's and this aspect has become my base assumption. I took me some time to realize that call-in call-out market doesn't work this way and it's a high (health / emotional) risk for a girl to commit to this service without at least having seen the prospective customer.
I am not into freebies or night clubs, I like cheap blowjobs from beautiful & busty girls at high noon or in the morning. That's all. Hence I just used the qualifying profiles at top- modals. Com (as suggested by LJ) , but sites like minuet. Biz or sexkiev. Net would produce the same results as the photos, numbers and prices do intersect to a high degree.
If you are not a frequenter of Eastern Europe or have not lived there before, there is one important things to understand about tourist accommodation markets there: in Kiev (as in other former-SU cities) there is a established short-term flat-rental industry. They rent regular flats filled with furnishings and stuff of class ranging from low to high. My impression is that the most girls operate from such flats. One I visited worked that night from an appartment I actually (unsuccessfully) tried to book the night before. But I wouldn't apply this assumption to all girls.
As you can recognize if you check the sites mentioned, many phone numbers repeat. Those may also be lies OR rather many profiles for the same girl with a claim of pictures showing a sample "like" the actual girl OR (in the best case) one flat with many girls whose (probably photoshoped) pictures those actually are.
Since my time of action was at a time shortly before a major event. NYE. Some of the girls either chose not to work at this time or have been booked for days ahead by someone richer and / or crazier than me. Some operators were honest and said "that girl is not available" others just tried to get me into flat no matter what. So out of research-curiosity, and due high probability of me being back in Kiev in coming months, I just wanted to test a larger sample and to know for sure what kind of people am I dealing with. So I just took top modals, filtered for busty ones, sorted by price, printed it out and worked the list, more or less, from the top by clarifying the address, going there by taxi and staying or leaving as I felt until satisfied.
This is how I think it works: there is a multitude of girls, multitude of pictures, multitude of sites, multitude of call-operators and multitude of flats. All of them can co-exist independently, can all belong to one girl, can cooperate on case-by-case basis to form a value-extracting-chain, can form a case of consistent truth and can be combined randomly. So if you choose to engage in mongering through sites, don't wonder, but also don't get disappointed too soon.
Here is my sample (almost all of it) :
Some numbers did not answer others wanted to know when I plan to arrive, before they would tell me full address. With such I had no trust upfront.
Visited Ksenia:
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5390
Not her pictures (at least not recognizable with all my skills and will) , BUT really "like" her, really busty, young, great personality, price as listed. Stayed an hour, she also is a very good cook. I can imagine that the girl from the pictures was booked, so the operator uses the next-best match in line to avoid loosing prospective customer. In my case it worked. Shitty flat though.
More calls, more adresses, chose the next one geographically. Due to NYE-season, traffic was terrible so that going from one city-end to another might take one-two hours, when it takes half-an-hour if streets are empty. So I thought I will move to the geographically next option to save time.
Visited Snejanna:
http://sexkiev.net/prostitutki/3187
Pictures are real, no photoshop, nice personality, stayed an hour. But because my driver dropped me at the wrong corner it took me like half-an-hour and 20 calls to find the location. I had to ask people for orientation, for someone who doesn't speak Russian that would a challenging task I imagine. Finally I arrived at the entrance, nobody picks up my calls. I gave up, turned around and even called up the next subject. Just before getting in a taxi I though I give it the last try. They (two girls in a flat that time) picked up, stayed on the phone and finally let me in. The second girl was also a nice one and I remembered her pictures on a site, but now I cannot find her profile anymore, she may be on vacation and disabled her profile for the time. I don't know really.
Visited a flat with this number:
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=2112#f3
None of the profiles with that number said "real photo", call-operator did not insist, but promised 4 "busty" girls. So I went there, found 4 busty girls. None from the pictures, but I did not expect it. Stayed with one of them for an hour. Really-really nice girl, tall, busty, did all I asked.
Called it a day.
The 31st:
Visited blond Sonya:
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=2349#f6
Not her at all, not blond, not even "like" her although the profile says "real photo". I suspected something wrong upfront, because the operator seemed unkind and not listening. Did not stay and got a bit frustrated as I was expecting the hit rate from the day before.
Called up blond Olja:
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=4757
But she said she will be at her place in an hour or so. I can call then if I want.
Visited Angelina:
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5317
Pictures are real, at least the figure and face, seemed very nice person, very kind personality, offered a cup of tea before asking any money, but I wasn't sure I will like her more than the blond Olja. Asked if I can stay for half-hour? No. I had to decide whether to stay with her for an hour and drop blond Olja or leave her for now and check out Olja. I did the latter.
If Olja would not be a match, I'd try to return to Angelina and try to convince her spend NYE with me. But Olja was a match. Pictures are real, cannot detect photoshop. I had a really good NYE. I hope her too. Hers was also the nicest flat so far, lots of champagne, good food and action. Will definitely return to see her again.
And that's all I can say now.
Special thanks for LJ for the useful advice.
AColonizer
01-04-12, 09:07
At the end, everybody talks about CIM and nobody gets the right one! Oh, Saint Masters, where are you? Why do you leave us alone in the dark, cold, deep oblivion?
At the end, everybody talks about CIM and nobody gets the right one! Oh, Saint Masters, where are you? Why do you leave us alone in the dark, cold, deep oblivion?A Taxidermist is coming to a location near you very soon, and that should keep you Warm, Busy, and Very Quiet for a while.
At the end, everybody talks about CIM and nobody gets the right one! Oh, Saint Masters, where are you? Why do you leave us alone in the dark, cold, deep oblivion?http://avaxnews.com/funny/Tongue_2.html
Stakan.
Visited Snejanna:
http://sexkiev.net/prostitutki/3187
Pictures are real, no photoshop, nice personality, stayed an hour. But because my driver dropped me at the wrong corner it took me like half-an-hour and 20 calls to find the location. I had to ask people for orientation, for someone who doesn't speak Russian that would a challenging task I imagine. Finally I arrived at the entrance, nobody picks up my calls. I gave up, turned around and even called up the next subject. Just before getting in a taxi I though I give it the last try. They (two girls in a flat that time) picked up, stayed on the phone and finally let me in. The second girl was also a nice one and I remembered her pictures on a site,
And that's all I can say now.
Special thanks for LJ for the useful advice.Stakan's list shows clearly the importance of RTFF & research here 2 get the good crop as per his I list.
And it demostrates clearly that there is no need to pay more than a hundred bucks per hour, to have a great time in Kiev with good looking girls.
A certain ex monger living in sexual retirement in Palm Springs CALIF, has asked me to say thank you for taking him down memory lane, by giving the Link To your girl on the list, Snejana.
He reckons she does look similar to the 1963 famous Mandy Rice Davies, who rocked the establishment in the UK at the time.
He was very close at the time to her Partner in the good times then, Christene Keeler.
Here are some photos of Mandy Rice Davies at the time, when she was 19, a year older than what snejana says on her profile.
http://www.allstarpics.net/0275679/010508516/mandy-rice-davies-pic.html
And I see that Snejana charges only 400 UAH an hour, wow that's New Year sale for a Barbie Doll. Is this how much you paid her?
I also second your thanks and comments about the very informative posts by liljoey.
Stakan's list shows clearly the importance of RTFF & research here 2 get the good crop as per his I list.
And it demostrates clearly that there is no need to pay more than a hundred bucks per hour, to have a great time in Kiev with good looking girls.
A certain ex monger living in sexual retirement in Palm Springs CALIF, has asked me to say thank you for taking him down memory lane, by giving the Link To your girl on the list, Snejana.
He reckons she does look similar to the 1963 famous Mandy Rice Davies, who rocked the establishment in the UK at the time.
He was very close at the time to her Partner in the good times then, Christene Keeler.
Here are some photos of Mandy Rice Davies at the time, when she was 19, a year older than what snejana says on her profile.
http://www.allstarpics.net/0275679/010508516/mandy-rice-davies-pic.html
And I see that Snejana charges only 400 UAH an hour, wow that's New Year sale for a Barbie Doll. Is this how much you paid her?
I also second your thanks and comments about the very informative posts by liljoey.Always happy to help, especially someone living in "sexual retirements". I understand, this means you retire to just have sex for the rest of your life. This is currently also my life-goal. I'm full of envy of that man who has arrived where I'm going to. I hope catch up soon. .
400 UAH?. Yes, that's all I paid for the hour, but I also didn't buy any extras. Overall, my experience from this trip was that prices as quoted on those sites carry the most truth. I was never asked a different price or experienced any "upsell".
Barby Doll?. No, I would not call her that, I like girls who have some "meat", so she was my case. Her pictures may have been selected to accent her face and hide what she is maybe too shy to show.
Generally I didn't find Kiev' prices to be low, especially if you compare the experience with FKK. The 20 EUR more you pay per hour in FKK (I'd say that at least 800UAH priced Kiev-girls can be considered as FKK-equivalent) you more than save by not paying taxis to (almost) each girl, not wasting your time in traffic, having certainty about room interiour, having (usually) a dozen alternative girls available, having certainty about girls' naked body, having some certainty about her mind through the option of chatting beforehand with a girl whose nude appearance you like and last but not least having food available. All those things make the trip to Kiev only worth it, if I would put significant additional value on the female Ukrainian soul that is hard to find in FKK's. Which I do. If I could get Ukrainian girls of same quality at FKK price in Germany, I wouldn't go to Kiev.
But I do learn every day and will continue my search for the optimal solution, relentlessly.
Hope this helps, Jojosun.
S
Always happy to help, especially someone living in "sexual retirements". I understand, this means you retire to just have sex for the rest of your life. This is currently also my life-goal. I'm full of envy of that man who has arrived where I'm going to. I hope catch up soon. .
400 UAH. Yes, that's all I paid for the hour, but I also didn't buy any extras. Overall, my experience from this trip was that prices as quoted on those sites carry the most truth. I was never asked a different price or experienced any "upsell".
Barby Doll. No, I would not call her that, I like girls who have some "meat", so she was my case. Her pictures may have been selected to accent her face and hide what she is maybe too shy to show.
Generally I didn't find Kiev' prices to be low, especially if you compare the experience with FKK. The 20 EUR more you pay per hour in FKK (I'd say that at least 800UAH priced Kiev-girls can be considered as FKK-equivalent) you more than save by not paying taxis to (almost) each girl, not wasting your time in traffic, having certainty about room interiour, having (usually) a dozen alternative girls available, having certainty about girls' naked body, having some certainty about her mind through the option of chatting beforehand with a girl whose nude appearance you like and last but not least having food available. All those things make the trip to Kiev only worth it, if I would put significant additional value on the female Ukrainian soul that is hard to find in FKK's. Which I do. If I could get Ukrainian girls of same quality at FKK price in Germany, I wouldn't go to Kiev.
But I do learn every day and will continue my search for the optimal solution, relentlessly.
Hope this helps, Jojosun.
SHe wasn't called the Man with the Golden Dick 4 nothing. I mean the Guy in Palm Springs.
He ended up there after marrying an Ex golddigger from New York.
Money, fine weather, and all the time in the world, just makes you more frisky, even at 60+something.
And from what he says, there is more to his life there, than Trivia nights at the American Legion Club.
I agree with you about The Soul of UA girls, but I also find Kiev 4me has the edge over Germany in other ways.
But each 2 their own.
In the meantime the search & research goes on.
Cheers
I am thinking of treating myself to a long weekend in Kiev.
Can anyone suggest a very good hotel (at least 4 stars) which is central and girl friendly.
I was looking at the ad for Riviera Boutique hotel. Anybody had experience there?
Thanks
Banter
CastOnThis
01-06-12, 17:26
I am thinking of treating myself to a long weekend in Kiev.
Can anyone suggest a very good hotel (at least 4 stars) which is central and girl friendly.
I was looking at the ad for Riviera Boutique hotel. Anybody had experience there?
Thanks
BanterTry the Dnipro Hotel but try to book a more modern room. They have a strip club in their hotel that you can take out the girls. Very nice looking girls and its also close to the action if the girls don't interest you. But that will be hard because they are really good looking better than the girls at Rio.
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I am thinking of treating myself to a long weekend in Kiev.
Can anyone suggest a very good hotel (at least 4 stars) which is central and girl friendly.
I was looking at the ad for Riviera Boutique hotel. Anybody had experience there?
Thanks
BanterHave you read the thread and have you considered the sound advice in many earlier posts in this thread that renting a luxury apartment downtown, from rental companies like kievapts. Com and other companies referred to by other members here, gives you much more for your money and is preferable when you intend to invite or bring multiple female guests over? Aside from the privacy issue, and not having to deal with interfering hotel security types looking for a handout, or embarrasing moments with hotel reception, a luxury apartment will give you triple the space for less money than a hotel. I have requested the rental company that I only want to rent apartments that are newly refinished or remodeled and are very clean and modern, and they have guided me to selections fitting my requirements. I have not been disappointed yet. The only thing I miss is the ease with which one can get freshly laundered new bath towels in a hotel, but you can make special arrangements for this in an apartment rental too. And regardless, the full kitchen and beautiful living room with big screen TV etc. That makes entertaining girls at your place so much nicer compared to in a hotel room, more than makes up for the bath towels issue. What is the reason to prefer a hotel?
Regarding the recommendation by Castonthis about the girls for take out available at Dnipro Hotel, I can only refer you to look up the posts by TheKnight on this thread about all the strip club options he has reported on, to consider the issues raised. One such issue might be the higher cost of the girls at the Dnipro compared to Rio. Regarding the opinion that the girls at Dnipro are better looking than those at Rio, I have no personal opinion as I have not visited at the Dnipro strip club due to cost considerations. Yet I have always found an adequate number of very hot girls at Rio of such level of good looks, that it would be hard to imagine that Dnipro has better. But if it the Dnipro strip club did have girls who were better looking than at Rio, as is claimed, then perhaps some extra cost is worth considering. Who knows, maybe TheKnight will spot this post and come to the rescue here with another educated opinion.
LJ
Amsterdam09
01-08-12, 15:43
Recently this beauty.
http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=455775604&hit=3
Came by.
Took a lot of convincing, as she always wants her friend to join.
Sounds strange guys, but I just do not like the threesomes.
She even once offered it for the same price as her alone.
Nice fuck, not that professional, needs a lot of pointers.
Did not ask, but looking at the nice tiny ass, Anal is not something she does on a regular basis.
Did a cute CIM and according run to the bathroom. So no swallow here.
Do not know if I would invite her again.
Used the RUS hotel as always. Felt a bit tough and just told the security guy that I knew I had to pay extra, smiled and walked through to the elevator. No extra charge when I left.
A'dam
Recently this beauty.
http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=455775604&hit=3
Came by.
Took a lot of convincing, as she always wants her friend to join.
Sounds strange guys, but I just do not like the threesomes.
She even once offered it for the same price as her alone.
Nice fuck, not that professional, needs a lot of pointers.
Did not ask, but looking at the nice tiny ass, Anal is not something she does on a regular basis.
Did a cute CIM and according run to the bathroom. So no swallow here.
Do not know if I would invite her again.
Used the RUS hotel as always. Felt a bit tough and just told the security guy that I knew I had to pay extra, smiled and walked through to the elevator. No extra charge when I left.
A'damThanks for your information she is in my list of probably meetings can you give more information about the positive and negative sites of this girl? Thanks in advance
Do you report this girl as genuine based upon personal knowledge?
Be advised that this same girl is advertised as available in Kiev for 100 Euro! Take a look at the following link.
http://escort-models.com/en/girls/escort-independent/ukraine/olesja_2167.html
Sorry to burst your bubble, but obviously this is a bait and switch photo either in Kiev or in London or, more likely, in both.
I would be happy to be corrected by you and you to report that you met this girl personally in London and she appears as advertised, since London is one of my playgrounds. So please let us know if you actually met her, or did you just read a review and accept it as true.
LJFYI:
I spent one hour with this girl in London last summer. Photos are accurate (really hot) and seemed to really like her job. Had a great time.
Unfortunately she does not seem to be working in London anymore now.
Have you read the thread and have you considered the sound advice in many earlier posts in this thread that renting a luxury apartment downtown, from rental companies like kievapts. Com and other companies referred to by other members here, gives you much more for your money and is preferable when you intend to invite or bring multiple female guests over? Aside from the privacy issue, and not having to deal with interfering hotel security types looking for a handout, or embarrasing moments with hotel reception, a luxury apartment will give you triple the space for less money than a hotel. I have requested the rental company that I only want to rent apartments that are newly refinished or remodeled and are very clean and modern, and they have guided me to selections fitting my requirements. I have not been disappointed yet. The only thing I miss is the ease with which one can get freshly laundered new bath towels in a hotel, but you can make special arrangements for this in an apartment rental too. And regardless, the full kitchen and beautiful living room with big screen TV etc. That makes entertaining girls at your place so much nicer compared to in a hotel room, more than makes up for the bath towels issue. What is the reason to prefer a hotel?
LJThanks Liljoey for the informative advice. In other cities (that I am not a stranger to) I normally go for the apartment option, However this would be my first time in the Ukraine (I do not speak Russian) and would feel "safer" if I hit a problem or need information in being able to at least contact the hotel staff. Also as I do not know the city (and how best to get around it) I might find myself in an apartment out of the centre, unable to properly communicate.
Hence for the first visit I thought to take the hotel option, the next time when I am more familiar with the city and the "hot spots" I would go for the apartment.
Thanks once again for your input.
Banter
AColonizer
01-10-12, 09:45
It was a LUCK! You were very very very LUCKY! If that girl had a bad attitude alone, you couldn't guess which disaster could be made by two scamming girls! It is the usual trick! Because you will pay them, they won't do anything what you want (it is sure) , you will ask the refund, they won't refund you, you will be angry, they will phone police / militia (probably somebody of their friendly policecops) , police put you in jail or ask for a thousand dollars bribe! NEVER NEVER NEVER have a threesome FFM with people met for the first time!
P. S. All Ukrainians do swallow blowjobs and anal sex (for free) but not for Westerners!
Recently this beauty.
http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=455775604&hit=3
Came by.
Took a lot of convincing, as she always wants her friend to join.
Sounds strange guys, but I just do not like the threesomes.
She even once offered it for the same price as her alone.
Nice fuck, not that professional, needs a lot of pointers.
Did not ask, but looking at the nice tiny ass, Anal is not something she does on a regular basis.
Did a cute CIM and according run to the bathroom. So no swallow here.
Do not know if I would invite her again.
Used the RUS hotel as always. Felt a bit tough and just told the security guy that I knew I had to pay extra, smiled and walked through to the elevator. No extra charge when I left.
A'dam
Just wonder if anyone try this company and if all went smooth?
http://www.bestkievapartment.com/Generally all are pretty good. Try to find review if possible. I know I review apartments. I prefer them over hotels. More freedom. At women like if you cook for them!
Thanks Liljoey for the informative advice. In other cities (that I am not a stranger to) I normally go for the apartment option, However this would be my first time in the Ukraine (I do not speak Russian) and would feel "safer" if I hit a problem or need information in being able to at least contact the hotel staff. Also as I do not know the city (and how best to get around it) I might find myself in an apartment out of the centre, unable to properly communicate.
Hence for the first visit I thought to take the hotel option, the next time when I am more familiar with the city and the "hot spots" I would go for the apartment.
Thanks once again for your input.
BanterSome Useful Tips For Kiev Newcomers
I will use this post to communicate useful info to other first timers or newcomers to Kiev.
Banter, I understand your concerns. I do not speak Russian either and well remember the trepidations that accompanied the period leading up to my first trip. I was traveling alone, but took the plunge nevertheless.
Regarding the apartment / hotel issue you should realize that you are entirely in control of selecting an apartment in whichever location or neighborhood you desire and therefore you can be certain of "finding yourself" in an apartment located only where you want it to be in the centre downtown. Also kievapts. Com which I have used for all my Kiev trips, has some English speaking staff who have been helpful with questions I had and may be able to guide you (notably a young fellow named Alex who is one of the managers in Kiev who generally meets me at the apartment I rented to resolve any issues like getting connected with the internet if I had a difficulty, for example).
Here are a few more suggestions directed to you and other first timers considering a trip to Kiev.
(1) KNOW KIEV DOWNTOWN STREETS AND LOCATIONS OF INTEREST BEFORE YOU COME: Use the tools provided by Google Maps to familiarize yourself in advance with the streets and layout of downtown Kiev. Locate hotels and apartments on the map of Kiev by address and then familiarize yourself with where they are located in relation to various attractions mentioned in the Kiev thread of this forum. This is helpful in deciding where you might want to stay, as location is a factor of convenience. You can know in advance exactly where your apartment will be located in relation to various Kiev locations of interest to you, including:
(A) Khreshchatyk Street (a main thoroughfare for pedestrian strolling, and therefore for girl watching, portions of which are closed to vehicular traffic on weekends) ,
(B) the Maidan (Independence "Square") a very popular section with a large pedestrian mall area at the top (northern) end of Khreshchatyk,
(C) Rio (a popular strip club with take out possible at prices lower than most other strip clubs) located at Bogdana Khmelnitskogo street 30/10, See www.rioclub.com.ua
(D) the phone stores for Kievstar and MTC, (two of the main local phone service companies) for getting set up with a local SIM card and where customer service is available, located on Bogdana Khmelnitskogo street at or near its intersection with Khreshchatyk Street.
(E) Buddha Bar a popular nightspot for working girls (WG's) looking for a date after midnite located at Khreshchatyk Street 14, see www.buddhabar.com.ua
(F) D'lux nightclub one of the hottest Kiev nightclubs now, also popular with high class WG's, but thoroughly a feast for the eyes and ears otherwise too, located at Grushevskogo 3, see www.dlux.com.ua
(G) Besarabsky Rynok (Market) an indoor fresh vegetable and fruit market of high quality and wide variety, located in Bessarabska Square at the lower (southwest) end of Khreshchatyk Street just across from its intersection with Tarasa Shevchenka Blvd. There is also a high end supermarket in the same building, entrance from the Khreshchatyk Street side of the building, named BILLA.
(H) Another high end well provisioned supermarket is the Gurman Supermarket, Baseina St. 4, +38-044-230-9525. This supermarket is located downstairs inside the Mandarin Plaza Shopping Center, Baseina Street 6. www.mandarin.kiev.ua/eng/
NOTE: What I found important in terms of convenience with regard to this supermarket is, aside from the adequately broad selection of products and liquor, that it is also accessible directly from an indoor parking garage providing parking for the Arena City complex. This enables you to take a taxi from your apartment and have the taxi enter the parking garage, proceed to the downstairs level just outside the entrance to the supermarket and wait for you there while you shop for the items you need. I needed a convenient way to transport the substantial number of heavy things like water bottles, soft drinks, wines, liquors etc. I usually purchase to stock up my apartment with upon arrival in Kiev. See Google Maps. The parking garage entrance is on Pavla Skoropasds'koho Street (which connects between Chervonoarmiiska Street and Baseina Street) and once entering the parking garage entrance one would have to go down to the level where the supermarket entrance is (ask the guard there which level it is). A pedestrian can enter there too and proceed to a stairwell and descend to the supermarket level. However, the main Mandarin Plaza shopping mall entrance is on Baseina and from there you would go downstairs in the mall to get to the supermarket.
(I) any number of other nightclubs and strip bars mentioned in the Kiev thread that you might want to hit and other attractions of interest to you, which you will find out about during your research for this trip, and you should locate on the map.
(2) TAXIS: Ask your apartment rental company or hotel staff and get the number of a few taxi companies to use that have English speaking staff or dispatchers, so you can call for taxis to pick you up at an address you can give them, and get a low local price. Otherwise, you will be overcharged all the time, when you hail a taxi or take a taxi from the curbside, as they ask for anything they want and you must negotiate the price. Taxi meters have no meaning in Kiev.
DOWNTOWN TAXI FARE: You should know that from Point A to Point B in downtown Kiev, most locations can be reached for something in the range of 30 UAH when calling a taxi company on the phone as the locals do. You will see the girls you have at your apartment doing this when they want to go home.
Typically, when taking a taxi from a curbside or hailing a taxi driving down the street, you will be asked for 50 UAH when you ask to be taken to a strip club like Rio, or you may even be asked 100 UAH.
EXCHANGE RATE: The exchange rate is usually regarded as 8 UAH equals $1. 00 USD. Therefore. 80 UAH is $10, 40 UAH is $5, and 20 UAH is $2. 50.
So 50 UAH for a ride downtown over to Rio strip club is overcharging a little, but not terribly. Just don't agree to pay more than 50 UAH to a taxi you take from the curbside or hail. Walk away, as the next taxi will accept it.
One strategy is: Don't ask the taxi driver to drop you at Rio strip club. He automatically asks a premium price when taking you to a strip club. Instead, learn a nearby address and ask to be dropped there. Then walk over to the strip club. Maybe this way you won't get asked for the strip club premium by some drivers. Others will ask you for the same higher price because they see you are a tourist.
For the way home, the taxis lined up in front of Rio all ask for 100 UAH no matter where you're going to downtown. You really can't avoid it when you're taking a girl in high heels home with you. But if you're leaving alone, walk a little down from the strip club and get another taxi from the street.
However, a strategy to circumvent the taxi mafia at most high profile strip clubs or nighclubs like D'lux might be to make an arrangement in advance with a taxi driver to be your dedicated taxi driver that you can call him to come pick you up wherever you are at night, for a previously agreed fee schedule. Then simply phone your guy a sufficient amount of time before you want to leave the club and ask him to wait for you on a corner nearby.
(3) LEARN TO READ RUSSIAN BEFORE YOU COME: Another "must do" prior to coming to visit Kiev is to learn to READ the Russian alphabet. Remember that there are no signs in Kiev in English. All the street name signs, road signs and store signs and maps are in Russian. Even Google Maps uses Russian for street names as well as English. Once you exit the door of your hotel or apartment, you will be one sorry schmuck if you can't read enough Russian to read even what street you're on as you go, and to find your way back. An alphabet chart for Russian can be found and printed out online or in many books on Russian language. Learn it! You don't have to be fluent in Russian before visiting Kiev. But you at least should be able to read street signs, even slowly. This little thing will enhance your experience.
(4) There are some very useful language translation tools available which can help you overcome communication difficulties with those lovely Ukrainian girls you would like to have sex with, but who didn't pay attention in school and can't speak English, notably Google Translate, which can be set up to also automatically translate web pages, as well as used for communicating with a girl in your apartment by typing what you want to say to each other and Google will translate. If your phone has a data plan, you can also access Google Translate on the go with your mobile phone. Additionally, while sitting with TheKnight in the VIP room at Rio during my last visit, he showed me a really cool application he had in his mobile phone called something like Touch and Talk with which he was able to simply say something in English and have it spoken back by the phone in Russian. Very cool and very potentially useful in the right situation with a girl.
Remember, if you can succeed in getting a girl who doesn't speak much English to be reassured that the language barrier between you will not be an impossible problem, and to be confident that if need be there are some language tools available to help the two of you translate and communicate with each other, you may be able to get a date with her anyway! Otherwise, you will be the one who is sorry that you have to pass up all the nice girls who don't speak English. This way, even though you can't speak Russian, even you will have a chance with them too!
(5) Begin to learn Russian. For about $15 on Amazon. Com, you can purchase the beginner's package on CD of the first 10 lessons of the Pimsleur. Com audio language course. It is excellent. It will give you an ability to have some limited conversation, and be familiar with a few phrases, and which you will learn to pronounce like a native speaker. You think you can't listen to 10 half hour lessons before your trip? Nonsense. Completing these few easy lessons will get you into the feel of the language and put you in a position from where you can decide if you really want to invest more of yourself in learning a language such as Russian. Also get a travelers phrase book with transliteration, and learn a few phrases and pleasantries, so you can say a few words to those you meet. So you don't speak Russian! It doesn't mean you have to be a total dummy when traveling to a country where English is not spoken by many.
(6) SECURITY: DO NOT GO UNACCOMPANIED AND ALONE TO APARTMENTS OF GIRLS UNLESS YOU ARE CONFIDENT THAT IT IS A LEGITIMATE BROTHEL OR GIRL APARTMENT AND THAT YOU ARE SAFE IN DOING SO. There are instances where men have been lured to apartments in various places in eastern europe in order to be mugged by thugs waiting there and their belongings stolen or much worse. It is not impossible in Kiev too. At least hire and take the taxi driver with you. Only very hardy souls, who are fluent in Russian, familair with the local culture, and who are confident they know how to handle themselves in threatening situations in foreign lands, would undertake to visit unknown apartments, going through unlit darkened corridors in farflung slums and rough neighborhoods, for what? A piece of ass? Word to the wise. Stick to the known businesses in downtown Kiev that a taxi driver brings you to, and try to invite most girls from internet escort agencies or mamba. Ru to come to your apartment.
(7) READ THE F_____ FORUM (RTFF) : Most importantly, read the thread here going back to at least from March 2011 and make notes. The details you learn will create a picture in your mind so that you will become more familiar with the city and getting around the downtown area of Kiev. You will not come to Kiev with a sense of being lost and unfamiliar. Rather, you will know the downtown neighborhoods where your apartment or hotel is located. And you will know where the places you want to go are located.
(8) MOST MONGERS ADVISE NOT TO TRY TO MONGER DURING EURO 2012 WHEN PRICES WILL PROBABLY BE TOO HIGH: The 2012 UEFA European Football Championship, commonly referred to as Euro 2012, will have its final tournament hosted by Poland and Ukraine between June 8 and July 1, 2012. This is expected to flood Kiev with tourists in the period before, during and after the matches. This will definitely affect the world of p4P (pay for play).
One might expect many WG's to come to Kiev for the opportunities it presents for them to get a piece of those tourist dollars certain to flow towards their sector of the economy, including all those Kiev girls who went to Moscow for more pricey working conditions following the demise of the River Palace nightclub boat toward the end of 2010. However, this might not necessarily cause an increase in availability in WG's, since there is no history to this expected tourist influx, and there is no way to know in advance if their will be a glut on the supply side of girls causing a downward pressure on prices, or a large sustained increase on the male demand side supporting a spike in prices. Since no one knows, we can expect WG's and service providers to simply raise prices and try to entice the tourist influx to accept the higher prices, as to which they know no better, and even if they did, they may pay the premium prices anyways just to have such fun while they are in Kiev.
Therefore, one would do well to avoid scheduling a mongering trip to Kiev during this period if possible. It is not expected to be a very good time period for mongering with low prices and ample availability, and it is not known how long into the future the negative effects on the mongering environment will endure. We will have to wait and see.
Happy Hunting.
LJ
Thank you for an excellent summary Liljoey. Two thoughts:
(1) Despite many trips I have never made it into Budha bar, yet. I was checking their web site, and I noticed water was 200 UAH. Is that for real? That is about 25 USD. That is a quarter of a medium range companion! How much of a beer?
(2) As an economist, I predict that during EURO 2012, fixed commodities that cater to tourists will be vastly overpriced. So apartments, and hotels will be expensive. The price of girls is harder to predict. History indicates vast number of girls flood the cities for such events, and they will have to pay inflated accommodation prices, but maybe the prices will not go up that much. With 10s of thousands of young students from the provinces roaming the streets, staying at dingy apartments with 5 other room-mates, they might actually be more willing to stay overnight with you for a reasonable price. Who knows?
I am planning to go in late April, before the mayhem. August will definitely be more empty than usual, with everyone out on vacation, spending the EURO 2012 money that came into the country. By September or October all that money will have worked its way into the pockets of the Oligarchs, but inflated prices might remain, and things might be worse than before for the people on the ground. I will be back in late Sept.
Thank you for an excellent summary Liljoey. Two thoughts:
(1) Despite many trips I have never made it into Budha bar, yet. I was checking their web site, and I noticed water was 200 UAH. Is that for real? That is about 25 USD. That is a quarter of a medium range companion! How much of a beer?
(2) As an economist, I predict that during EURO 2012, fixed commodities that cater to tourists will be vastly overpriced. So apartments, and hotels will be expensive. The price of girls is harder to predict. History indicates vast number of girls flood the cities for such events, and they will have to pay inflated accommodation prices, but maybe the prices will not go up that much. With 10s of thousands of young students from the provinces roaming the streets, staying at dingy apartments with 5 other room-mates, they might actually be more willing to stay overnight with you for a reasonable price. Who knows?
I am planning to go in late April, before the mayhem. August will definitely be more empty than usual, with everyone out on vacation, spending the EURO 2012 money that came into the country. By September or October all that money will have worked its way into the pockets of the Oligarchs, but inflated prices might remain, and things might be worse than before for the people on the ground. I will be back in late Sept.Dear Stevie69, I took a look at the Buddha Bar website upon reading your post. The only place I see water listed as 200 UAH is on the page for various types of "Hookahs" which is a type of oriental urn for smoking tobacco flavored with various types of things. So I don't believe that is the price for a mere bottle of water. It includes the Hookah.
Your comment of 200 UAH being enough to buy 25% of a Kiev escort made me laugh when the thought popped into my head of an adult shop where they were selling latex rubber replicas of famous porn star pussies for men to pleasure themselves with. That's the closest I think one can come to buying 25% of a Hookah___LOL. [At Buddha Bar you can buy both a "Hookah" that you smoke, and a "Hooker" that is smokin']
Lastly, I sure hope your economist's prognostications about 10s of thousands of young female students coming to Kiev from the provinces, roaming the streets staying at dingy apartments with 5 roomates, turn out to be accurate. That would certainly help the price issue.
Some Useful Tips For Kiev Newcomers
I will use this post to communicate useful info to other first timers or newcomers to Kiev.
LJMany thanks Liljoey for taking the time to provide such useful information. It is very much appreciated.
I am not sure when I will be able to schedule my trip to Kiev but rest assured I will report on the outcome.
Many thanks once again.
Banter
(3) LEARN TO READ RUSSIAN BEFORE YOU COME: Another "must do" prior to coming to visit Kiev is to learn to READ the Russian alphabet.+1. Understanding the alphabet is IMO vital.
Here is a great page to learn it: (place your cursor over each letter to listen to the alphabet as it's spoken)
http://www.languageguide.org/russian/alphabet/
Learn it by both writing and speaking it (writing solidifies the visual comprehension). Do it for 15 minutes a day for 45 days and you will have learned it permanently.
A tip, make excercises by writing girls names (Tatiana, Irina, Masha, ect) or cities names (Vladivostok, Volgograd, Novokuzrnestk, ect) in cyrillic. It's easy, fun and efficient.
Nille Copenhagen
01-11-12, 19:42
Eurocup 2012.
Therefore, one would do well to avoid scheduling a mongering trip to Kiev during this period if possible. It is not expected to be a very good time period for mongering with low prices and ample availability, and it is not known how long into the future the negative effects on the mongering environment will endure. We will have to wait and see.
Happy Hunting.
LJThanks LJ for all the good advices. And warning about the Eurocup 2012.
But a man got to do want a man got to do. (Denmark is playing)
The Eurocup 2012 will be held I Polen+Ukraine, I intent to be there this Summer for football&ladies.
The speculations about the prices of ladies might be true, let's see how it turns out. There will be a lot of freebies interesting in football+fun (not only local but international ladies) ,
For sure the strip clubs will be overrun with tourists.
My plan is to have some mamba contacts in the backhand and then invite the ladies back to my camping van, LOL
(I'm kidding on the last part).
Are you sure you won't be there during the Eurocup, just scaring us out right, hehe. ?
Nille
Hi guys, do you know these sites are real and reliable?
http://sexykievgirls.com/ladies-kiev-escort.html
http://escort-models.com
http://gia-escort.com
What do you think? I will make some reservations but I don't want to lose my money.
ThanksGIA. Pros and cons.
It has been reported on this thread numerous times in the past that gia-escort. Com uses true photos of the girls, although the pictures are photoshopped. Also the services each girl advertises have actually been provided according to the posts of those who reported on it. The issue I have had with Gia in the past is that the girls on their website were never attractive enough in my eyes, compared to the beauties I was taking out of Rio strip club, to justify me giving Gia a try.
Looking at the Gia website again now in response to your post, I see that there has been an improvement in the line up available through Gia, and some of the girls look quite good. Unfortunately, in addition to the improvement of the line up at Gia, their prices have gone up significantly also. Some of the nice looking girls on Gia are asking for $450 for 3 hours. Even in the past when the Gia line up was rather average looking their prices were universally regarded as too high for one hour dates, as they asked for $200/1hour, which is double the rate of many good looking girls in Kiev like those that advertise on top-modals. Com or mamba. Ru who ask prices of 800 UAH ($100 USD) or 600 UAH ($75) for an hour. So that decision was simple. Why pay double for a girl from Gia who wasn't even that hot to begin with? However, there was a time in the past that most Gia girls were asking for $300/3hours, and at that time their 3hour price was comparable to the $300/3hour rate being asked by Rio girls. So the Giua price was competitive with Rio's price. However, the Gia girls weren't as hot as the Rio girls, so even though the price was comparable to Rio at the 3hour date level, the Rio girls won my business based on there higher level of looks.
However, now that the Gia line up is somewhat improved, I see that many of the better looking girls on Gia are asking for $350/3hours. Is there a reason to book an appointment with a Gia girl for 3 hours and pay $350, which is $50 more than one would pay at Rio?
Maybe.
The issue may turn on the nature of services to be provided. It has been observed with respect to Rio girls that there is no guarantee of GFE service, and each girl does as she wishes. Some will give an uncovered blow job, and some will not. One has no way of knowing in advance for sure with a girl from Rio. The best one can do at Rio is to use one's mongering skills to evaluate the chemistry the girl has with you when speaking with her, and in a private dance, and make an educated guess. A good number of the girls I took out from Rio did not provide an uncovered blow job, and some did. However, even with those that didn't, I was still happy with the experience because the girls were so beautiful, and the rapport was very good between us, so the experience was very good. But there's no question that it would have been better if there had been a real uncovered blow job.
However, with respect to Gia, the services are listed on their website for each girl, and are usually provided as advertised. Therefore, maybe some guys will be willing to pay the extra $50 to Gia for the guarantee of an uncovered blow job, for those girls that look very good. Therefore $350/3hours for a guarantee of the services with a beautiful girl may win the business of those guys who are concerned about paying $300/3hours to Rio girls where one has no guarantee of services in advance.
However, those girls at Gia asking for $450/3hours are much higher priced than the Rio girls. Is $150 extra not too much for a guarantee of GFE services? Most guys would say it is too high a premium for a guarantee on the services, even for a girl who is very beautiful.
The other two internet escort websites use fake pics. I have personal experience with escort-models. Com faker pics. The other it seems very likely is also fake. One can only know by trial and experience. Even if they use fake pics it doesn't mean that you can't get a good looking girl from them. It will just be by accident rather than design.
LJ
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There are probably far more cracking (the best?) EE chicks in London now than going through all the hassle and expense of traveling. The attached babe is 200 quid / hour and in my view they do not come much hotter! So overall it's cheaper. BTW this girl is genuine and comes highly recommended. Just perfect.Do you report this girl as genuine based upon personal knowledge?
Be advised that this same girl is advertised as available in Kiev for 100 Euro! Take a look at the following link.
http://escort-models.com/en/girls/escort-independent/ukraine/olesja_2167.html
Sorry to burst your bubble, but obviously this is a bait and switch photo either in Kiev or in London or, more likely, in both.
I would be happy to be corrected by you and you to report that you met this girl personally in London and she appears as advertised, since London is one of my playgrounds. So please let us know if you actually met her, or did you just read a review and accept it as true.
LJFYI:
I spent one hour with this girl in London last summer. Photos are accurate (really hot) and seemed to really like her job. Had a great time.
Unfortunately she does not seem to be working in London anymore now.MrWizard, it appears our little friend has resurfaced and can be seen advertising in both Kiev and London again, as can be seen from the below recent post by Blue Swede:
Reliable? I think at least one of these are trying to cheat:
http://escort-models.com/girls/intim-dosug/kiev/olesya_2167.html
http://www.hot-collection.co.uk/escort/adriana
But I'm not saying all are fake, some photos looks more reliable that others.
BlueYou claim to have been with her. Maybe she is in Kiev now and is going back soon to London. I would sure like to meet such a nice looking girl.
LJ
Kiev Freak
01-12-12, 19:18
Hi all mongers,
I was in Kiev at new year! Before this I visited donetsk about 1 month ago and I experienced horrible things because of my stupidity, I will exp&287; lain all of them later. Lets turn to my Kiev visit. I stayed at an apartmenbt just near to maidan where center of Kiev. First I just found 2 girls from top-modals. Girls came and photos was real. Girls was decent and older than the advertise. Anyway, I paid 200 bucks for 2 girls for 1 hour and I didn't like them. Then I went to buddha bar. A bottle of heinkein beer was 50 uah there. I found a decent girl there and she asked me 400 bucks for 4 hours and she promised me good time. Then she offered me to come with her girlfriend and they asked 800 bucks. Girls werent so beautiful and I declined them. Then I found a taxi went to Rio. Taxi driver asked me 200 uah for this short distance (from buddha to Rio). We argued with the driver, I gave him 100 uah even if I know that is triple cost. Anyway, I entered the Rio club at about 2:00 AM. First I went to downstairs, then upstarins and finally V&304; P. I couldn't find a good girl:Then I went to downstair again and she was there! There was amazing girl on the scene. Her name is helen. I talked with the manager and took a private dance. She is only 18, perfect body, perfect beauty. I was really stunned! I asked her kindly if I touch her body and she said ok! Then I asked her if we go home together I may make DATY and she also said OK! I kept on talking with her and she asked me 500 $ for 4 hours. I offer 300 $. Then she brought her friend and manager arranged us a table. I also gave 100 uah tips to the manager (thanks to Liljoey ). Her friend also was stunned! Excellent eyes, excellent face. I was really foolished! Finally accepted to paid them 600 $ by morning! We left from Rio and girsl wanted to buy some drinks. We went to a supermarket in underground with a closed parking area. We bough tequila, lemons, red bull and baileys. Helen's friend asked me if I wanted to see her naked in market! &305; said ok! She took of her dress! Naked in supermarket! I was shocked! Then I opened the zip of my pant and she started to give me blow job in the middle of market! Security came, we took on our dress and left from market. At home, we took a shower, sit on the floor and started to turn the bottle game! You know that is famous Russian game! We had lots of fun, made sex many times. Helen and her friend made me blowjob with condom and suddenylu helen's friend (unfortunately I couldn't remember her name) throw the condom away and started to make bareback blowjon while helen lips my balls! I cummed and we were hungry. Then we went to reastaurant, helen's friend started to took of her dress again. Only her panty left and sit my lap! Again I unzipped my pant a we had a short time sex in the middle of reastaurant. Time was about 6:00 pm and there was 3 guys in the near table. They came to our table, I told the girl to take on. I argued with the other 3 guys and they left the restaurant. One of these guys were gay and tried to kiss me! Anyway, we finished our food and went to back the apartment. Helen sleeped, I made sex with ehr friend again and this time sex last about 1 hours! I licked every point in her body and second time she gave me OWO. Then about 10:00, they asked me taxi fare, I gave them 50 uah. Helen gave me her phone number and told me to call her when I come to Kiev again. &305; am also thinking to call her to istanbul where the city I live. She was excellent girl. She is a student and I cannot forget her! But her friend also was perfect! We had a great threesome!
I advised to every monger to behave the girls as a girlfriend, not a hooker. That was wonderful days of my life. I stayed in Kiev for 3 days. OTher 2 days, I stayed with my "girlfriend" which we met on the plane while I was terunring from donetsk about 1 months ago! She is also excellent and freebee! I bought flying ticket from donetsk to Kiev and she came to my apartment! We celebrate the new year together!
I will visit Kiev next week again!
HungryStud101
01-13-12, 04:05
Great job Plantmagic. Sounds like you had a great time. Thanks for the report. I was in Keiv last year and yes the woman were stunning. I would like to go back and do what you did.
BTW. What is your native language?
Kiev Freak
01-13-12, 09:56
My native langue is Turkish and I cannot read even a word of Russian alphebet. However I started to learn some bacis words such as preeviyet, paka, mine ya zavut, pazalsta. Etc.
Ukrainian girls are so beauifitul and that is enough to motivate me to learn Russian! &305; use this ite fto learn somethings :
http://www.russianlessons.net/lessons/lesson3_main.php
In istanbul, I have to pay 450 € for a quality Russian or ukrainian escorts. Usually these girls are pronstar you've already seen in Russian porns which timo hardy makes. The girls are good but prices are extremely expensive. For 7 hours date in istanbull I paid 1000 bucks including a-level and owo. When why&305; you compared the prices with this, Kiev is a bit expensive than free!
Next time I will take girls from gia escorts because I want to make a-level this time. When you are mongering as spontané, anal is not guarantee, you know.
Nille Copenhagen
01-13-12, 10:55
Helen's friend asked me if I wanted to see her naked in market! &305; said ok! She took of her dress! Naked in supermarket! I was shocked! Then I opened the zip of my pant and she started to give me blow job in the middle of market! Security came, we took on our dress and left from market.Wow great story, I've never seen a naked girl / stripper in the supermarket before. It must had been a great show.
You were lucky not get arrested for public sex. LOL
AColonizer
01-14-12, 02:12
If I understood correctly, that man paid 600$? Are you kidding? Yes, great story for who wants to believe that. But there was somebody who paid 100/200$ night for great uncondomed sex and that is the right price. Oh you, mongers, ejaculate when you pay the triple of the double price? Please, realize a 12 hours overnight for great sex can't cost more than 250/300$.
Wow great story, I've never seen a naked girl / stripper in the supermarket before. It must had been a great show.
You were lucky not get arrested for public sex. LOL
Kiev Freak
01-14-12, 17:27
Acolonizer,
I paid 600 $$ for 2 girls, not for one girl. It might be possible to give 450 or 500 $ at Rio for 2 girls by morning, but I didn't want to lose these girls. They were really stunned and there were not so many beautiful girls at the Rio when I went.
Member #4491
01-14-12, 20:32
Please, realize a 12 hours overnight for great sex can't cost more than 250/300$.Acolonizer, any chance you could share contact details to a few of these females? Just giving the advice to not pay more than. 250-300 USD for 12 hours, will not mean that more guys actually manage this. Better if you assist in promoting these particular females and then I suppose, according to the strategy I sense from your posts, the ones that over charge will be motivated to lower the price (I will not hold my breath on this one). I would love to pay 250 USD for 12 hours, or even less, but will end up in Rio and pay 300 USD fro 3 hours, simply because this is all I know for sure.
Share some facts please, so we can transcend to your level.
Barba
Ronaldinjo
01-15-12, 01:31
Is it good time to come to Kiev in the beggining of February? For example in Rio there are enough beautifull girls to choose from in February or it is better to wait mounth or two? Thank you.
RomanyStar
01-15-12, 04:44
long time lurker here. haven't posted as my info would have been redundant.
i'm spoiled. i live near tijuana, and often travel to montreal. tijuana is great for speedy selection and relief of stress. with a little work it can lead to some gfe. montreal has been wonderful. the standard of service is amazing. dfk, dt, bbbj all seem to be minimum service level with nearly all the wonderful ladies there.
i'm looking to spend a week of serious fun in europe. i'm looking for slender young open minded ladies. price is relevant, but service level is most important. i am planning this as a sort of retirement trip. i have the cash now, and may not in the future. most of my 50's are past, so i don't expect to be seeking out freebies.
i am torn between frankfurt, and kiev. i am bilingual, but don't expect spanish to go far in any of these destinations. i want gfe like i've found in montreal. all nighters would be nice, but hourly works too. after reading most posts for the past couple years in many threads i have come to the conclusion that kiev sounds best for me. fkk just doesn't seem my style, and the entire german scene sounds a little more business like than i am hoping to find.
i realize the fkk would be more guaranteed service, but it sounds like with a week in kiev i should have a fair chance of finding what i'm after. am i way off base?
one other question. i'd like to be met at the airport, and shown around town my first day there. any pointers on finding an english speaking young lady that would offer this sort of service? not looking for this to go anywhere beyond a tour, trip to the grocery store, and a few pointers on getting around.
the attached is an example of an 18yo i found recently in montreal.
Slavophile
01-15-12, 06:59
LJ,
You've presented an interesting economic theory and argument regarding mongering during the Euro Cup 2012. However, it could work conversely, if WGs and agencies are smart.
Another theory, could be because there will be an influx of both WG's and tourists and of those tourists a good portion will actually NOT be there mongering but actually cheering on their respective clubs, therefore the amount of WGs, agencies and independents competing for mongers will be very stiff.
In the free market, competition between competitors selling relatively the same product is supposed to drive prices down and keep them low in order to compete for customers potential business. It's not supposed to work the other way around. Since most of us came of digital age in the Microsoft era these economic concepts seem lost, forgotten and almost archaic, but nevetheless they still apply.
In the case of Euro Cup 2012, it would be classic economics almost everyone is literally selling the same thing albeit repackaged product in various forms and ways.
I would be willing to bet, the WGs, clubs or agencies which smartly keeps their prices reasonable or cunningly "undercuts" the high prices (which you anticipate) and with the right marketing and exposure will actually make more money in volume (number of mongers serviced) in contrast to their rivals. Plus they might even build a future customer base after the Euro Cup 2012 ends.
My case in point, LMR Warsaw actually lowered their contributions in anticipation for the Euro Cup 2012 in Poland. Their contributions used to be 550 PLN for 2 hours. 750 PLN for 3hrs. 900 PLN for 4hrs and 1000 PLN for 5hrs.
Starting in January 2012 LMR Warsaw's contributions are NOW:
400 PLN for 2hrs,
550 PLN for 3hrs,
700 PLN for 4 hrs
And 800 PLN for 5hrs
They're asking 150 PLN less than last year for 2hrs and the same service. www.lemoulinrougepl.com
For your contribution at LMR Warsaw you get champagne (sparkling wine) , beer, wine and appetizers, hardcore porn in the background for motivation, as well as unlimited sex with 3-5 hostesses in attendance (depending on the reservations booked) and a guaranteed 2:1 man to woman ratio (no queuing to shag). A complete hedonistic good time for a reasonable price. All in the middle of the day.
I DO NOT think every WG, agency or club are going to try pull the wool over mongers's eyes just because it's Euro Cup 2012. Yes, a good portion will be inclined to capitalize and be greedy.
I think business savvy establishments in Kiev and in Warsaw like Le Moulin Rouge Warsaw will smartly anticipate other organization's greed and will make the right gamble of keeping prices the same or even lowering them to beat the competition.
If anything the contributions will rise a bit when the EURO CUP ends because the prospect of making a profit based on the potential "volume of mongers serviced" decreases.
Well that's my economic theory at least on mongering while enjoying the Euro Cup 2012 festivities.
Having said that, I totally see your point of view in the matter though, but I think mine has some traction, too.
Remember gentlemen no matter what you do, keep it classy, keep it safe and keep it Slavic and you'll never be disappointed.
Cheers,
Slavophile.
Lover of all Slavic women
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