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Diplomats are the way they are because they generally want something from someone.
I mean can't you & Ukeboy adopt the Style of a very good diplomat, when he tells you to Go to Hell, and actually makes you look Forward to It.
Keep them coming, your Posts.
I've posted more information in less than 5% of the words you used than you have in a year in the last week.
Like I said. Rio is a stripclub, some of the girls are good looking. You can hire some of them for sex. That basically sums up your contribution.
I'm not fighting with anyone. I'm just calling most of your postings a waste of pixels, which they are.
You have posted no action reports and have not recently contributed anything of value. Why don't you stop trying to fight with others and be more constructive. Sorry if I'm not bowing before your highnesses, but the emperor hath no clothes.
LJ
You have to take strippers, escorts, porn stars for who they are but still of course treat them like human beings who just made some really bad life decisions. Things are going to end badly 99% of the time you attempt a serious relationship with them.
Semi pros deserve a little more lee way but never let them treat you like a chump. One of my favorite Russian sayings is 'that is not normal'. When the girls step out of line I call them on it every time and they step right back. They appreciate the daddy discpline, it shows someone actually cares about them. Win-Win.
No repeat policy stems from a BAD mistake 30 years ago. I did a rescue on a high end LA call girl that led to a ten year relationship. The divorce and subsequent therapy makes that the MOST expensive pussy I've ever dreamed about. Even though sorely tempted in Kiev I will NEVER see a p4p again within the year, and also why I shy away from "freebies". I'm not buying anybody another house, or splitting what remains of my retirement. Hourly works best for me.
Ronaldinjo
03-22-12, 01:35
Sent SMS and made phone calls for the traditional afternoon shag, until I was called back by a Mamba girl: pretty do-able, judging from the photos, although not really my type (initially I had called for her girlfriend whom I found much more attractive, but that one was currently abroad). Well, I thought, we shall see.
Of course, she was late, and of course, it was not the girl on the pictures. As I came down to meet her I first saw her back, as she had missed my entrance and kept walking in the street, so I ran after her, thinking, this is not the girl on the picture, clearly the body does not match, but this one seems smoking hot! Delicious tan (from some Moroccan blood, I would learn later) perfect waist to hip ratio (I mean PERFECT) , limber curves. Miam, miam! Let us just hope that the face will be nice as well! And then she turned, and the world just froze. I raised my eyebrows and stared at her stupidly. It was not a downgrade. It was not an upgrade. It was a miracle. Soft face, nice lips, perfect eyebrows, and most of all, the most beautiful, tenebrious dark eyes I have seen in Ukraine. So fucking dark, so fucking soft, like the endless sleep of death. Oh my god. My look then came down from her face to her breast, which I could easily admire in this outrageous dress of hers. I nearly choked. It was just too fucking good to be true! To complete the picture, I should also mention the fact she wears no make up. She doesn't need to. A pure natural beauty, and a girl you will necessarily wish to have in your bed. Unless you are gay. And even so.
As for the intercourse, well, it was a bit strange, due to the fact that I was mesmerised, so I would just forget what I was here for. =) Having said that, it was not the shag of the century, covered BJ, DATY strictly prohibited and hardly any FK at all; still it was a good shag, as she was involved and I could feel her vagina contracting, and it was rather passionate. Maybe she just don't like to be licked, after all. (My, is that conceivable.) I intend to see her again if I can, experience shows that repeated meetings will get you better service from one time to the next, provided there is a good connection in the first place. And I look forward to finding out how far I can go with that one, because she is just too damn beautiful!Hello, Insomniate, can you help me in finding of this morrocan girl in Kiev? What is her name in mamba? Could you bring a link?
RomanyStar
03-22-12, 03:47
The report of distinction area is the FAQ.
The map is a definitive newbies guide to Kiev. Too Funny. .The ROD area on ISG is historical, A FAQ is maintained current information. It requires a commitment on the FAQ owner / moderators part. The best FAQ's are a community effort. A good one is worth it's weight in gold for someone new to the subject matter.
As for the map being a newbie guide, what else would you expect it to be? I prepared it from the info I gleaned from the forum. I also asked for help a couple times. I thank those that chose to contribute, and wonder why others are guarding their information so jealously.
I hope someone takes it on who will make it on the same level as the FKK maps that are out there. I can't do that with five nights experience, but some of you sure could turn this into a useful tool that in itself would answer a huge number of the newbie questions.
RomanyStar
03-22-12, 03:50
human beings who just made some really bad life decisionsThere are two sides to the group making that life decision. I love my life, this hobby included, but I don't kid myself and pretend that it is at all the smartest, safest, or healthiest way to be spending my days.
It really fucks me off when you go to the trouble of writing about something and within a page someone asks exactly the same question.
Easter. Mid April. Some students may go home, but only for a few days (weekend will be quiet). Academic year ends in May, even stripping students care a lot about their education (one girl left my apartment last night. Err. This morning, and went straight to uni bless 'er!). Therefore, some students with same amount of work in less time may choose to miss a week or two, or maybe 4 after Easter until after the exams.
But the mother of all parties kicks off on graduation day. Great if you can infiltrate one of those (oooooh, happy memories)
So back to the point. There are two reasons why there MAY BE fewer working girls around from mid April to end of May.
We have enough trouble reading the minds of one girl we've met / shagged let along predicting the behaviour patterns of hundreds of girls we've not met!
Unbiased report coming up!
I do believe the quality has gone down a notch or two from what I saw. I am not one of those who barges in when the doors open to get the best seat / hooker.
And the place was busier than I have ever seen. Even Dima genuinely couldn't get me a table in any of the 3 areas, shocking!
Slava saved the day in VIP by asking some very wealthy Russians to squeeze up to allow a distinguished client a seat. Hahaha!
So maybe with it being ludicrously busy a lot of talent was already out, when I got there about midnight (after saying goodnight to a sexy friend who was going behind her Ukr boyfriend's back).
Sadly I did not find "Club Dolls". A guy told me he thinks it's near Respublikansky metro not Sports Palats, but only found that out after snooping around new stadium for a while.
So headed to Rio quite indifferent about taking anyone out as I had a reserve option anyway, but in the end did join the tourists overpaying with a girl whose English vocabulary was about 25% of my Russian. It was first time EVER in Rio that I had discussed services with potential takeout BEFORE paying."Minet bez p" was agreed, though she was a little hesitant about it, and off we headed. The night was looking up when I came out of club, crossed the road and taxi driver inexplicably offered sorok hryvnya for our trip back near Maidan (it was raining and I couldn't make the poor girl walk!)
Anyway, girl came in, we did the deed numerous times, and she left. I thought she was good, not exceptional. Her blow job technique needed correcting / improving, but she is a quick learner! And one more interesting point, I floated the idea to her of next time she should come visit me before the club opens and she seemed open to the proposal. I won't post her stage name on here in case she gets fired.
So tonight in Rio I saw only one genuine "stunner", three other very hot, two of whom were only dancers, though one told me "yes you can take me out, but you can't have sex with me". Go figure!
And quite a few very ropey trolls, the like of which I have never seen in Rio before. And at a guess I would imagine only about 45 girls working the 4 stages.
And one more interesting point, I floated the idea to her of next time she should come visit me before the club opens and she seemed open to the proposal. I won't post her stage name on here in case she gets fired.That is an interesting point. I will share with you that for over a year I also tried to get some of their girls to come over for a date in the afternoon, and always, always was refused, causing us to wonder what could be the reason for this uniform reluctance to date customers during daytime before club opening, when it would seem that for the girls this would be a perk? And now suddenly for my upcoming visit to Kiev, I have managed to get two girls to consider daytime dates, who previously refused outright. Coupled with TheKnight's comment, it is possible there has been a policy change. It bears monitoring. The ability to date these girls during the daytime would be an improvement. I'm much better in the sack when I'm fresher and more rested in the afternoon, than after I'm exhausted at 4:00AM in the morning.
JerseyGuy123
03-22-12, 06:52
I'm getting different reports from this site. Some of you guys are saying best time to go to Kiev to check out Rio club is in mid-May, now TheKnight is agaist going from mid-April to end of May. So guys when is the best time to go to Kiev to pick up hot fresh young college girls from club Rio.
JerseyGuy123
03-22-12, 07:22
When is best time to go to Kiev to take out young hot college girls from club Rio. I read serveral reports on this site saying mid May is best time to go, now TheKnight is saying May is not a good time to go. I already booked my trip for early May.
Any advice?
Ronaldinjo
03-22-12, 10:38
Unbiased report coming up!
I do believe the quality has gone down a notch or two from what I saw. I am not one of those who barges in when the doors open to get the best seat / hooker.
And the place was busier than I have ever seen. Even Dima genuinely couldn't get me a table in any of the 3 areas, shocking!
Slava saved the day in VIP by asking some very wealthy Russians to squeeze up to allow a distinguished client a seat. Hahaha!
So maybe with it being ludicrously busy a lot of talent was already out, when I got there about midnight (after saying goodnight to a sexy friend who was going behind her Ukr boyfriend's back).
Sadly I did not find "Club Dolls". A guy told me he thinks it's near Respublikansky metro not Sports Palats, but only found that out after snooping around new stadium for a while.
So headed to Rio quite indifferent about taking anyone out as I had a reserve option anyway, but in the end did join the tourists overpaying with a girl whose English vocabulary was about 25% of my Russian. It was first time EVER in Rio that I had discussed services with potential takeout BEFORE paying."Minet bez p" was agreed, though she was a little hesitant about it, and off we headed. The night was looking up when I came out of club, crossed the road and taxi driver inexplicably offered sorok hryvnya for our trip back near Maidan (it was raining and I couldn't make the poor girl walk!)
Anyway, girl came in, we did the deed numerous times, and she left. I thought she was good, not exceptional. Her blow job technique needed correcting / improving, but she is a quick learner! And one more interesting point, I floated the idea to her of next time she should come visit me before the club opens and she seemed open to the proposal. I won't post her stage name on here in case she gets fired.
So tonight in Rio I saw only one genuine "stunner", three other very hot, two of whom were only dancers, though one told me "yes you can take me out, but you can't have sex with me". Go figure!
And quite a few very ropey trolls, the like of which I have never seen in Rio before. And at a guess I would imagine only about 45 girls working the 4 stages.The knight, Hello, was it possible to take out the stunner? I know what do you mean trolls, as I was there about month ago me too saw some fat asses and ugly faces. But there were few beauties (about 3-5).
That is an interesting point. I will share with you that for over a year I also tried to get some of their girls to come over for a date in the afternoon, and always, always was refused, causing us to wonder what could be the reason for this uniform reluctance to date customers during daytime before club opening, when it would seem that for the girls this would be a perk? And now suddenly for my upcoming visit to Kiev, I have managed to get two girls to consider daytime dates, who previously refused outright. Coupled with TheKnight's comment, it is possible there has been a policy change. It bears monitoring. The ability to date these girls during the daytime would be an improvement. I'm much better in the sack when I'm fresher and more rested in the afternoon, than after I'm exhausted at 4:00AM in the morning.In River Palace days every girl that I asked for afternoon or early evening encounters, readily agreed at much lower rates. In fact some of them told me that they prefered it this way, than the 2 or 3am sex sessions with take out from the club.
Happy Hour Prices. & Times work out best for me as well.
This is true about the FAQ but the ROD comes close to it. It sums up the best the forum has to offer. If someone reads the ROD at least they can ask intelligent questions in the forum.
As for the map. Nice to know the sex shop next to McD is still there. .
The ROD area on ISG is historical, A FAQ is maintained current information. It requires a commitment on the FAQ owner / moderators part. The best FAQ's are a community effort. A good one is worth it's weight in gold for someone new to the subject matter.
The unexamined life isn't worth living.
There are two sides to the group making that life decision. I love my life, this hobby included, but I don't kid myself and pretend that it is at all the smartest, safest, or healthiest way to be spending my days.
Sounds like nothing has changed. Thanks for saving me the trip.
Nice to hear Slava is still working there, I'll have to stop by to say Hi.
I do believe the quality has gone down a notch or two from what I saw. I am not one of those who barges in when the doors open to get the best seat / hooker.
And the place was busier than I have ever seen. Even Dima genuinely couldn't get me a table in any of the 3 areas, shocking!
Slava saved the day in VIP by asking some very wealthy Russians to squeeze up to allow a distinguished client a seat. Hahaha!
Nice shop, if nice is the right word. But be warned, they only speak Russian / ukrainian there.
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As for the map. Nice to know the sex shop next to McD is still there. .
i just wanted to mention that i enjoyed my second visit to rio last night. without the defensive guard and jet lag stuper, i was more relaxed than on my first visit.
the talent was a notch better than the week before with more 9's and one 10, lots of 8's.
is rio a value? well that depends on who you are. lj's got it right that the place presents itself as best dollar for dollar value for one week tourists that are ground floor in fsu society. yes, the place is expensive for a strip club, but here is what you get. they give you a comfortable atmosphere where a good sampling of kiev's talent is funneled in front of you. they provide a show with music, alcohol, and pretty girls. i suspect that they interview the girls to confirm they are not dealing with crazies, thieves, or druggies. if you lived in kiev, i do not see how you would not occasionally make a pit stop in the place to checkout the new talent even if you had many girlfriends.
so where is real value in kiev? pussy would become very cheap here if you can build a grapevine of contacts. you have to start somewhere and night and strip clubs are the obvious. don't let anyone on this forum fool you that mamba or the streets are the way to go. if your here for one week as a newbie, mamba will produce a round of skanks. things do happen on the streets but not enough to bank your trip on.
i personally am in the beginning of my journey in fsu. i would not recommend this place unless you have had relationships with slavic women and have a long term plan in eastern europe. after college, all i ever dated was needy poles and russians that recently had immigrated to my town. since there not coming to me anymore, i have to go to them.
in summary, rio is a good starting point but don't spend too much time there.
This endless discussion on Rio club, is getting rather Boring.
May be its time to start a thread covering Rio & other Strip Clubs in Kiev for fans who don't mind spending US$300 per take out, or for others like myself who use it as an appetizer before the main course somewhere else. Part of the RDA for Sex in Kiev in combination with other sources, if one is a real fan.
What do fellow Mongers think?
Gentleman Travel
03-22-12, 16:16
The ROD area on ISG is historical, A FAQ is maintained current information. It requires a commitment on the FAQ owner / moderators part. The best FAQ's are a community effort. A good one is worth it's weight in gold for someone new to the subject matter.
As for the map being a newbie guide, what else would you expect it to be? I prepared it from the info I gleaned from the forum. I also asked for help a couple times. I thank those that chose to contribute, and wonder why others are guarding their information so jealously.
I hope someone takes it on who will make it on the same level as the FKK maps that are out there. I can't do that with five nights experience, but some of you sure could turn this into a useful tool that in itself would answer a huge number of the newbie questions.Once upon a time Jackson mentioned something about developing a wiki-function, but nothing became of it.
I suppose a properly moderated FAQ could achieve much of the same, but it would have to be editable, not just serial info, or it would end up like the forum pages.
It would certainly save a lot of repetitious questions and answers.
What are the financial details of the girls at D*Lux?
I think one time I read they charger over $300 for just one hour.
Is this correct?
Is it possible to negotiate $300 for 2 hours or so?
How about the girls at Budda Bar?
I'm sure this has been posted before but this thread is over 1000 pages and the search feature is not good
What are the financial details of the girls at D*Lux?
I think one time I read they charger over $300 for just one hour.
Is this correct?
Is it possible to negotiate $300 for 2 hours or so?
How about the girls at Budda Bar?
I'm sure this has been posted before but this thread is over 1000 pages and the search feature is not goodI was at D'Lux last Friday for the first time and did not notice any obvious working girls. I love this place and can not wait to return tomorrow. I chatted up and danced most of the evening with a regular girl and must have completely missed that side of the place. Few posts on this forum mention guys picking up girls for p4p at D'Lux and I can see why. I have not been to Budda Bar and probably will not go.
AColonizer
03-22-12, 19:47
if that is true, then it is one of most stupid in life. i always get a night for 300$. and for what? men should know sex before paying for sex. i am talking about men in general, and i have actually the impression 99% men actually don't know what is a real blowjob, a real vaginal fucking, a real anal fucking and which incredible things any woman like if she could find a real man: also a vaginal fisting and a [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103) are valued.
one of the piggest prostitute, the romanian brunette i have posted somewhere here, for 250 euros (300$) actually does everything for all night with two men together. therefore why does a man should pay 300$/hour when in all the rest of the world a fuck is cheaper? the reply is just one (from the point of view of a woman) : stupidity.
what are the financial details of the girls at d*lux?
i think one time i read they charger over $300 for just one hour.
is this correct?
is it possible to negotiate $300 for 2 hours or so?
how about the girls at budda bar?
i'm sure this has been posted before but this thread is over 1000 pages and the search feature is not good
I.
One of the piggest prostitute, the Romanian brunette I have posted somewhere here, for 250 euros (300$) actually does everything for all night with (two men together.) Therefore why does a man should pay 300$/hour when in all the rest of the world a fuck is cheaper? The reply is just one (from the point of view of a woman) : stupidity.Does this Romanian Brunette insist on you being the Other Man?
DoctorOral
03-23-12, 08:50
Look, we are in Kiev. And Kiev is crazy for many reasons. The girls are stunning, some look for adventure, some look for the one-time-fuckover with guys like you, I guess. If you know to play the game, and you treat them good (this has been said too many times here) and honor them and let them fall for you, yes, you get away with good food, drinks, some shopping and a little tip for the weekend, or the week, or a month, or all your life!
I still would not pay 300 for anything, not for an hour, not for a night!
What are the financial details of the girls at D*Lux?
I think one time I read they charger over $300 for just one hour.
Is this correct?
Is it possible to negotiate $300 for 2 hours or so?
How about the girls at Budda Bar?
I'm sure this has been posted before but this thread is over 1000 pages and the search feature is not good
. i always get a night for 300$. and for what? men should know sex before paying for sex. i am talking about men in general, and i have actually the impression 99% men actually don't know what is a real blowjob, a real vaginal fucking, a real anal fucking and which incredible things any woman like if she could find a real man: also a vaginal fisting and a [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103)i am willing to wager that you only get this price, because the girl wants you to shut your mouth & be quite for the night.
Ronaldinjo
03-23-12, 21:05
Hello, Joey, I couldn't find vodcaescort ukrainian girls, could you bring me a link. As I remember you wrote down good recomendations about this site. What do you think about it?
Another place worth visiting during the day as well for a must visit (Culture Vulturing) as well as meeting girls from out of town, are the CAVES.
Buy candels there, stand in line next to some pretty girl &pray by her side, or behined her LOL.Jojo, I've heard it all now!
But why stop at prayer and candles?
How about smuggling yourself in early and disguising yourself as one of the mummified saints?
You must know how spiritual and superstitious these caves pilgrims are.
How could any self-respecting, half-religious Ukrainian Dyev resist the of possibility of immortality, conferred by a roll in the aisles with a sanctified JoJo?
VG
RomanyStar
03-24-12, 04:22
Once upon a time Jackson mentioned something about developing a wiki-function, but nothing became of it.
I suppose a properly moderated FAQ could achieve much of the same, but it would have to be editable, not just serial info, or it would end up like the forum pages.
It would certainly save a lot of repetitious questions and answers.I'm not suggesting any sort of modification to the software running the board.
When visiting Chile I found that WorldTravel69 had put 99% of the information I needed into a single PDF. I never had to ask anything, or go much beyond this document to plan an awesome trip to Santiago. This is found in a Lists section of the Chile forum. What I am suggesting is the old hands in the Ukraine forum cooperate to build something like this.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2503-Santiago-Lists&p=808650&viewfull=1#post808650
Beats the heck out of having the pertinent info spread out over nearly 10k posts.
Jojo, I've heard it all now!
But why stop at prayer and candles?
How about smuggling yourself in early and disguising yourself as one of the mummified saints?
You must know how spiritual and superstitious these caves pilgrims are.
How could any self-respecting, half-religious Ukrainian Dyev Resist the of possibility of immortality, conferred by a roll in the aisles with a sanctified JoJo?
VGAmen Bro, Amen.
I would need o improve my command of Russian though, currenly limited 2 three words.
Its a great place to meet girls from Belarus & Russia, who can't afford D lux and other Fancy tourist places in Kiev. But you never know, you might even find some of the 9s& 10s strippers that you don't see sometimes in Rio Club. , standing shoulder 2 shoulder next to you. Gives you the opportunity to chat them up & all 4 Free, LOL.
Sourcing new venues in Kiev all the time. Don't expect this 2 come From long time residents of Kiev, or Old Kiev hands. And why should they/
For the record, I don't think this is a good place to find working girls. Most of the nice looking girls in there were clearly doing a girl's night out and having fun. Maybe some of the around thirty years old could have been prostitutes but who would travel to Kiev for old ladies.
Hello, Joey, I couldn't find vodcaescort ukrainian girls, could you bring me a link. As I remember you wrote down good recomendations about this site. What do you think about it?I also wrote more recently that vodkaescort. Com appears to be out of business. Unfortunately so, since they used true (but photoshopped) pics, so you could see what the girl looked like in advance. I had several very good girls from there last year, one of whom I met up with also in Dominican Republic when their sister agency (also no longer in business) brought her out there.
In terms of options for p4p where you can see what the girl looks like before she shows up and not have to go through all the bullshit of the websites using fake pictures like mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com and others (and all the potential time waste involved) , there are several other options where you can see the girl in advance.
I guess the closest thing to a reputable agency now, and by that I mean an agency that uses real pics, would be www.gia--escort.com. I have not used gia-escort myself and I am only mentioning it based upon favorable reports I have read from others on this thread consistently going back the last year, and most recently in the posts by Romany Star.
Considerations: The reason I have not used gia-escort. Com myself is principally because their rates for 1 hour dates were way too high at $180 or $200, and even though the 3 hour dates for some of Gia girls was not too much higher than the rates at Rio strip club, the Gia girls did not compete in the looks department in my view. So I never took a girl from Gia yet. But more recently I have seen improvement in the Gia line up, and now they seem to have some very nice looking ladies. So who knows, maybe I will give them a try in the future, although for their best looking girls they have bumped up the price to above Rio's rates, so it will depend on their having a good enough looking escort at the $300/3 hours rate. However, on the other hand, there is an advantage to Gia over Rio, and that is that the services provided by Gia girls are "advertised" in each girl's profile, so you can know in advance if a girl will give a BBBJ or not, something which remains an unknown and seems to be becoming less frequent with girls from Rio. Given that advantage at Gia in the services department, maybe I would consider a Gia date at $350/3hours if Gia had a girl who looks as good as the best Rio girls AND who guarantees GFE service. The additional $50 seems clearly worth it to have a guarantee on the BBBJ. And the extra cost is counterbalanced by the fact that when ordering a Gia girl, you avoid the "incidental" extra costs incurred at Rio for admission (100 UAH) and private dances (200 UAH each) and drinks (depends on what you order for yourself and girls) and taxi mafia (100 UAH) and the time waste of traveling from Rio to your apartment (10 to 15 minutes out of your 3 hours). One can typically spend between $50 to $100 on such "incidental" costs at Rio. So for all intents and purposes, a 3 hour date with a Rio girl does cost between $350 and $400, when one includes the incidental costs. So a 3 hour date with a Gia girl for a total fee of $350 is equivalent to the cost of a date with a Rio girl, and with Gia one can select a girl who will guarantee BBBJ, which is an important factor to many guys.
It's worth mentioning in this context, that it has been reported recently that some girls from the nightclub scene (Buddha Bar, D'lux etc.) have been negotiated to provide 3 hour dates at $300 or $400 also. I don't personally know if this is true, but it has been reported as such on this thread by a member who said he tried and reported his negotiating results. I intend to try it myself personally when I get to Kiev, and will report on the results. The last time I was in a nightclub, the girls were starting their demands at $500, and I was able to get them down to $300 for 2 hours, but they would not agree to $300 for 3 hours. Maybe things have changed. If the recent reports are true about 3 hour dates for $300 or even $400, then one might consider the nightclub scene for finding p4p dates because such rates are in fact comparable to Rio rates also. The nightclub scene is certainly a more fun environment to operate in. I had previously decided to disregard the nightclub girls during the period of time that existed last year in which they were uniformly demanding such amounts for only 2 hours, making their rates far higher than Rio. However, if nightclub girls are currently agreeing to 3 hour dates, then it brings their rates into line with the approximately $100 per hour benchmark rate I think one can be satisfied with in Kiev p4p. The caveat with nightclub girls is that there is no guarantee of the quality of services, and there is no employer to whom one can appeal. These girls are independent operators, although maybe some have "managers" or pimps. So in the nightclub scene you are going to need need all your mongering skills to try to assess whether the particular girl is going to be a GFE date or a bad experience.
There are also girl apartments where a reasonably low priced 1 hour session can be had, where one can see the girls in advance, and one can also ascertain the services in advance of deciding on a girl, by simply asking whether BBBJ is included. As I have recommended previously, it is wise, especially for visitors who don't speak Russian, to consider security in going to any apartments, and best to go with a wingman or at least to hire your taxi driver to stay with you or wait for you, and probably better if after you find a good looking girl, to invite her to come back to your apartment, if permitted. If you don't speak Russian it is still possible to prepare and print out in advance a written list of questions about services or other matters (including prices and amounts of time) in Russian and English written so that the responses are in "yes" or "no" answer format, and then you can simply point to the question in Russian and receive a nod or verbal response indicating yes or no. Or even if you won't understand the amounts of prices spoken to you in Russian, bring along a pen so that you can communicate about prices by writing the numbers.
When are you thinking of traveling to Kiev?
That is some bad Intel.
For the record, I don't think this is a good place to find working girls. Most of the nice looking girls in there were clearly doing a girl's night out and having fun. Maybe some of the around thirty years old could have been prostitutes but who would travel to Kiev for old ladies.
Vodka. It's called international trafficing in persons, being in jail tends to put a cramp in your business operation.
D'Lux et al. Nightclub semi pros are strictly YMMV. If she doesn't like you it's the chump rate. $500-$400, if she likes you it's $200.
GIA used to be a decent deal when it was $50 / hr. I remember seeing their webpage photos of the girls and the rates and saying to myself, that is some place I have to go! Just for the record I have never used GIA.
That apartments are perfectly safe, they are run under the protection of the Police / Government / Mafia, which is one in the same in Ukraine.
Did you know there is an apartment you can rent right next to Rio? It might help with your transportations costs. .
I also wrote more recently that vodkaescort. Com appears to be out of business. Unfortunately so, since they used true (but photoshopped) pics, so you could see what the girl looked like in advance. I had several very good girls from there last year, one of whom I met up with also in Dominican Republic when their sister agency (also no longer in business) brought her out there.
For the record, I don't think this is a good place to find working girls. Most of the nice looking girls in there were clearly doing a girl's night out and having fun. Maybe some of the around thirty years old could have been prostitutes but who would travel to Kiev for old ladies.. It could have been the UA version of Bachelorette Party in the US, or a Hen's night in the UK.
Working girls have been known to get married as well.
In which case a Lone Dick or a Lone Cock can have a better chance with the numbers in his favor.
vodka. it's called international trafficing in persons, being in jail tends to put a cramp in your business operation.
d'lux et al. nightclub semi pros are strictly ymmv. if she doesn't like you it's the chump rate. $500-$400, if she likes you it's $200.
gia used to be a decent deal when it was $50 / hr. i remember seeing their webpage photos of the girls and the rates and saying to myself, that is some place i have to go! just for the record i have never used gia.
that apartments are perfectly safe, they are run under the protection of the police / government / mafia, which is one in the same in ukraine.
did you know there is an apartment you can rent right next to rio? it might help with your transportations costs. .cruiser d, did you read somewhere about a vodka bust, or is that grapevine intel? do tell more.
re apartments, a while back i took a tour of a fair number of them with a taxi driver guide. what is the best way to find the apartments? do any of them advertise anywhere? is it totally up to luck as to the quality of the line up one might find in any of the apartments, or are there those with a known quality line up, so as to avoid waste of time? do you think it feasible to develop the info on the girl apartments in kiev to the level of intel existing on this forum on say, the berlin bordellos, or alphatester's efforts in warsaw. it could be a low cost alternative to the mamba. ru process of inviting girls to your apartment and sending away the piglets until something nice shows up. and as to the safety issue at apartments, do you feel that it is safe even if the apartment is not downtown kiev, but in some far out development, and even for those members of this forum who don't speak russian? what security precaustions would you recommend?
lj
my source is 100%.
why would you leave the center for an apartment when there are about 40 within 4 miles of mandarin plaza. apartments are strictly ymmv as far as quality. thur-sat between 1900-2300 is the best time to go. i once saw travel male (isg circa 2005-2007) pull a legit 8 out of one for $80 in 2006. there are shills walking the streets around khreshatic / mandarin plaza looking for foreign males, they will take you to one.
cruiser d, did you read somewhere about a vodka bust, or is that grapevine intel? do tell more.
re apartments, a while back i took a tour of a fair number of them with a taxi driver guide. what is the best way to find the apartments? do any of them advertise anywhere? is it totally up to luck as to the quality of the line up one might find in any of the apartments, or are there those with a known quality line up, so as to avoid waste of time? do you think it feasible to develop the info on the girl apartments in kiev to the level of intel existing on this forum on say, the berlin bordellos, or alphatester's efforts in warsaw. it could be a low cost alternative to the mamba. ru process of inviting girls to your apartment and sending away the piglets until something nice shows up. and as to the safety issue at apartments, do you feel that it is safe even if the apartment is not downtown kiev, but in some far out development, and even for those members of this forum who don't speak russian? what security precaustions would you recommend?
lj
Ronaldinjo
03-25-12, 00:04
I also wrote more recently that vodkaescort. Com appears to be out of business. Unfortunately so, since they used true (but photoshopped) pics, so you could see what the girl looked like in advance. I had several very good girls from there last year, one of whom I met up with also in Dominican Republic when their sister agency (also no longer in business) brought her out there.
In terms of options for p4p where you can see what the girl looks like before she shows up and not have to go through all the bullshit of the websites using fake pictures like mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com and others (and all the potential time waste involved) , there are several other options where you can see the girl in advance.
I guess the closest thing to a reputable agency now, and by that I mean an agency that uses real pics, would be.
www.gia--escort.com.
I have not used gia-escort myself and I am only mentioning it based upon favorable reports I have read from others on this thread consistently going back the last year, and most recently in the posts by Romany Star.
Considerations: The reason I have not used gia-escort. Com myself is principally because their rates for 1 hour dates were way too high at $180 or $200, and even though the 3 hour dates for some of Gia girls was not too much higher than the rates at Rio strip club, the Gia girls did not compete in the looks department in my view. So I never took a girl from Gia yet. But more recently I have seen improvement in the Gia line up, and now they seem to have some very nice looking ladies. So who knows, maybe I will give them a try in the future, although for their best looking girls they have bumped up the price to above Rio's rates, so it will depend on their having a good enough looking escort at the $300/3 hours rate. However, on the other hand, there is an advantage to Gia over Rio, and that is that the services provided by Gia girls are "advertised" in each girl's profile, so you can know in advance if a girl will give a BBBJ or not, something which remains an unknown and seems to be becoming less frequent with girls from Rio. Given that advantage at Gia in the services department, maybe I would consider a Gia date at $350/3hours if Gia had a girl who looks as good as the best Rio girls AND who guarantees GFE service. The additional $50 seems clearly worth it to have a guarantee on the BBBJ. And the extra cost is counterbalanced by the fact that when ordering a Gia girl, you avoid the "incidental" extra costs incurred at Rio for admission (100 UAH) and private dances (200 UAH each) and drinks (depends on what you order for yourself and girls) and taxi mafia (100 UAH) and the time waste of traveling from Rio to your apartment (10 to 15 minutes out of your 3 hours). One can typically spend between $50 to $100 on such "incidental" costs at Rio. So for all intents and purposes, a 3 hour date with a Rio girl does cost between $350 and $400, when one includes the incidental costs. So a 3 hour date with a Gia girl for a total fee of $350 is equivalent to the cost of a date with a Rio girl, and with Gia one can select a girl who will guarantee BBBJ, which is an important factor to many guys.
It's worth mentioning in this context, that it has been reported recently that some girls from the nightclub scene (Buddha Bar, D'lux etc.) have been negotiated to provide 3 hour dates at $300 or $400 also. I don't personally know if this is true, but it has been reported as such on this thread by a member who said he tried and reported his negotiating results. I intend to try it myself personally when I get to Kiev, and will report on the results. The last time I was in a nightclub, the girls were starting their demands at $500, and I was able to get them down to $300 for 2 hours, but they would not agree to $300 for 3 hours. Maybe things have changed. If the recent reports are true about 3 hour dates for $300 or even $400, then one might consider the nightclub scene for finding p4p dates because such rates are in fact comparable to Rio rates also. The nightclub scene is certainly a more fun environment to operate in. I had previously decided to disregard the nightclub girls during the period of time that existed last year in which they were uniformly demanding such amounts for only 2 hours, making their rates far higher than Rio. However, if nightclub girls are currently agreeing to 3 hour dates, then it brings their rates into line with the approximately $100 per hour benchmark rate I think one can be satisfied with in Kiev p4p. The caveat with nightclub girls is that there is no guarantee of the quality of services, and there is no employer to whom one can appeal. These girls are independent operators, although maybe some have "managers" or pimps. So in the nightclub scene you are going to need need all your mongering skills to try to assess whether the particular girl is going to be a GFE date or a bad experience.
There are also girl apartments where a reasonably low priced 1 hour session can be had, where one can see the girls in advance, and one can also ascertain the services in advance of deciding on a girl, by simply asking whether BBBJ is included. As I have recommended previously, it is wise, especially for visitors who don't speak Russian, to consider security in going to any apartments, and best to go with a wingman or at least to hire your taxi driver to stay with you or wait for you, and probably better if after you find a good looking girl, to invite her to come back to your apartment, if permitted. If you don't speak Russian it is still possible to prepare and print out in advance a written list of questions about services or other matters (including prices and amounts of time) in Russian and English written so that the responses are in "yes" or "no" answer format, and then you can simply point to the question in Russian and receive a nod or verbal response indicating yes or no. Or even if you won't understand the amounts of prices spoken to you in Russian, bring along a pen so that you can communicate about prices by writing the numbers.
When are you thinking of traveling to Kiev?As I understood from your words Joey, vodka is dead, and only gia is alive, I mean for relable pics. About you mentioning gias improvement, I have been watching there "models" and very few are appealing to me, no one looks more than 8 to me and bear in mind that the photoes are photoshoped. So its a kind of cat in bag IMHO. But worth trying.
I'm planning my visitation to the begining or middle of may, before euro, I'm working in france at the moment, so I may come directly from paris or via portugal. Is it hot in the beggining of may or still windy and cold?
About delux, I didn't notice in the beggining specific working girls, but later I spend most of the time with freebies there so didn't find appropriate time to search. But it worth it. Many classy girls. Buddha bar, there are always working girls there, if you are lucky you can bang hotty, but most are avarage looking. But advantage is that you can bye beer for 50 gryvna and stay there all the night. Can be much cheeper than other places if you are lucky, for same quality pro. Action begins after 23, a lot of working girls come. I came late, about 2-3, so probably I missed some hotties aroung. And prices are negotiable. I advise to visit scooters at wensdays, girls day, haven't been there but some very good feedbacks. What do you think about strip club red lion in kreshatik, some say there ae stunners working there, is takeout possible?
Me and You
03-25-12, 01:05
in dlux as in most of the night clubs you can find working girls. they stand mostly near the bar (but not all the girls near the bar are working girls). and if you are regular there you can recognize them.
you can find in avalon and in caribean and in vodka bar (you see more working girls now in vodka bar then before). budha bar is not my cup of tea. i prefer semi pro than real pros or expensive sharks as in budha bar.
i met a semi pro girl from caribean for 100 $ 21 years old, blonde, rate 8 (no photos allowed) she stayed more than 3 hours. gfe dfk daty cim anal.
i pulled a freebie from vodka bar. suzanna, is 22 brunette green eyes, good english (she is a producer or manager for music concerts and parties. i still have her card) and she was with her old friend 28 years old. i invited her for a drink and dance. then it was the vodka bar closing time so i invited them to eat something. sushia was closed so we went to mc donald. then i went with suzanna out of mc to smoke a cigarette while her friend was inside waiting, i invited her to appartment for a drink and some gifts. she accepted. her friend left home then we went to appartment. we had some drinks and talk about everything and many things. she was talking about her problems in life and in work and her brother problems. i gave her some gifts that i bring with me for girls (every girl i met i give some small gift and they are very happy. and they like that and they reward you in gfe.). then i tried to kiss her she refused. no way. she told me that this is our first meeting. she was saying:" we should meet again. and you will forget me after first meeting. no sex first meeting". i told her that i want be friend and i want help you. and i like to meet you again and again. and after 3-4 hours of trying and trying with no sucess. finally i started to touch her and she didn't say nothing. then i started to play with her tits and touching her pussy with her pants on. she started to warm up so i undressed her there on sofa. and i gave her a good daty and she went crazy. and i carried her to the bedroom. and we had a great gfe sex. even she started to shove my dick in her pussy without protection and i stopped her. (i never do sex without). so i put a preservatif and we had a great time. and i fininshed in deep cim.
from my humble experience with freebies or even semi girls. you have to fuck the girls mind first (or [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them mentally) then she will fuck your brains out in bed.
in anal sex i don't ask the girl if she do or not. i just put my dick in her ass. usually first they say no. but i don't stop. i told her just relax and i make slowly with kisses and soft touches on tits or clitoris. and i go on. sometimes works and they accept and sometimes don't work and they refused firmly. you have to try. and do not hesitate. some girls like to be taken or possesed.
That is some bad Intel.I understand now, most are not on the dance floor area but the lounge below.
There are shills walking the streets around Khreshatic / Mandarin Plaza looking for foreign males, they will take you to one.Come to think of it, I met one of those shills in the area you mention, but it was shortly after a taxi driver had told me there had been some busts of apartments in which taxi drivers had been also nabbed, so I was suspicious that maybe there was some kind of undercover sting operation going on against apartments at the behest of some politician, so I didn't go to where he suggested. Turns out I may have missed out on something.
But is there any other way to find these 40 plus girl apartments? It's quite limiting if are we restricted to passively waiting to be approached while walking around. Seems it would be worthwhile to have a list of addresses / phone numbers of these places. Unless they can't risk advertising or must keep a low profile for their own reasons.
As I understood from your words Joey, vodka is dead, and only gia is alive, I mean for relable pics. About you mentioning gias improvement, I have been watching there "models" and very few are appealing to me, no one looks more than 8 to me and bear in mind that the photoes are photoshoped. So its a kind of cat in bag IMHO. But worth trying.
I'm planning my visitation to the begining or middle of may, before euro, I'm working in france at the moment, so I may come directly from paris or via portugal. Is it hot in the beggining of may or still windy and cold?
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What do you think about strip club red lion in kreshatik, some say there ae stunners working there, is takeout possible?I generally agree with you about the looks of the line up at Gia, which is why I've thought that Rio was better in preference to Gia. I think the hot sexy girls I see on stage at the strip club have much better bodies and are far sexier than anything I've seen on Gia. It just seems that there has been an improvement in the Gia line up and some guys on this thread have reported they liked the beauty level of the girls they tried. So I'm simply saying that it's an option if you find a girl on Gia you think is hot enough to compare to the best looking dancers available for take out at the strip club, and I have analyzed for you why the economics of the two options are not that far apart, and that a "guaranteed" BBBJ might be something some members would value, and you can get that at Gia, and not at Rio (unless you outright ask the girl before you take her out of Rio like TheKnight reported doing recently).
It is indeed a curiosity to me that the mindset of those in the escort business doesn't seem to grasp the concept of providing the best product and the best services in order to win the most success with customers. It seems simple enough. If there would be an escort service that would differentiate itself by using true pics and had beautiful girls and competitive prices, they would succeed and the clients would come to them in droves. Why no one takes that path in the escort business, I don't know.
May weather should be fine, but you can bring along a jacket just in case it gets chilly in the nightime. I went in April with only a sport jacket and a shawl, but I'm a polar bear.
I don't knoew about Red Lion as I never went in, based on reports in the thread.
It is indeed a curiosity to me that the mindset of those in the escort business doesn't seem to grasp the concept of providing the best product and the best services in order to win the most success with customers. It seems simple enough. If there would be an escort service that would differentiate itself by using true pics and had beautiful girls and competitive prices, they would succeed and the clients would come to them in droves. Why no one takes that path in the escort business, I don't know.Bingo, its so stupid, so many agencies in kiev and almost all of them use fake photos.
Why not use real photos? I understand maybe a girl does not want her face to be on an escort site so in this case just cover the eyes or part of the face. If I was running an escort service thats what I would do. All top agencies in Toronto like mirage post real photos
Vodka escorts.
My worst experience ever was with this agency over 4 years ago. The girl showed not as good looking as her photos and she had a bad see-section vertical scar on her stomach, of course her photos were photoshopped
Me and You
03-25-12, 10:35
About Saloons or appartments. Many in Center. Better to go to Saloons well known and not into private appartment with one or 2 girls and far from Center (for safety reasons).
I post some tel numbers for some appartments and I hope the same numbers still working as they chnage tel number periodically.
- BEST one 0674438285: on Kripynysto'koho str 4. Parralel to bessarabska: 1000 griv or 125 $ for hour but you can find top girls (7-8-9) like Gennia (tall blonde with Crystal blue eyes and nice tits and ass) or Ivanna (brunnette with blue eyes) or Vlada or Anfisa. 1000 is good deal as you don't have to pay taxi for girl. They will bring the girl to you and take her back with their own taxis in case you want her in your appartment (I prefer this option) or you can stay with the girl at the place as they have rooms. And no extras expenses drinks and so. As in clubs or in Rio.
- krasnoarmiskaya 14:0962667021:800 Katrin is 8 brunette with blue eyes.
- Shuta rustavelli 40:0639756410.
-Lesi Ukrainki 16:0637044480.
- Luteranska 3 0991178876.
- Bessarabska 5 behind Fridays restaurant: 067505612.
- Tarasovskaya 14:0965564010.
Advantages of these saloons:
- you see what you get (not a question of luck as on Mamba or other sites) and you can talk with the girl before going with her. Asking about services (usually no BBBJ but you can find some who accepts as I did with Anfisa when I met her that was her first day at work (still amateur) so we did DFK DATY BBJ and CIM. She was hot.
- no time waste: you go and you choose the girl and you go with her at the place or you pay and you ask them to bring her to your place. Or if you know some girls name from before, you can just call and order the girl if she is available and they bring her to your place but you must go to street and give the money before she go up with you.
- no extra expenses : no taxi fairs or drinks or so on.
- Some Saloons works 24 hours so when you are hopless and you need some action you have a reserve. Choice.
- Best time to is at 19 evening when most of girls start work. So you have the best selection to see the girls and write names in case you need to meet them later or call to bring some girl to you.
Good luck.
Vodka escorts.
My worst experience ever was with this agency over 4 years ago. The girl showed not as good looking as her photos and she had a bad see-section vertical scar on her stomach, of course her photos were photoshopped
The girls at the bar, the ones that are really friendly, return eye contact, those are working girls. If a girl is at the bar by herself that is almost 100%.
About delux, I didn't notice in the beggining specific working girls
Read tff. . :)
But is there any other way to find these 40 plus girl apartments? It's quite limiting if are we restricted to passively waiting to be approached while walking around. Seems it would be worthwhile to have a list of addresses / phone numbers of these places. Unless they can't risk advertising or must keep a low profile for their own reasons.
Read tff. :)A week is a long time in Politics. Quote, (Harold Wilson, The Late British Prime Minister).
IN Mongering its even Longer.
[QUOTE=Ronaldinjotime. What do you think about strip club red lion in kreshatik, some say there ae stunners working there, is takeout possible?[/QUOTE].
It was reported here sometime back, that at Red Lion, Sex was allowed on the premises.
Any updates on this?
come to think of it, i met one of those shills in the area you mention, but it was shortly after a taxi driver had told me there had been some busts of apartments in which taxi drivers had been also nabbed, so i was suspicious that maybe there was some kind of undercover sting operation going on against apartments at the behest of some politician, so i didn't go to where he suggested. turns out i may have missed out on something.
but is there any other way to find these 40 plus girl apartments? it's quite limiting if are we restricted to passively waiting to be approached while walking around. seems it would be worthwhile to have a list of addresses / phone numbers of these places. unless they can't risk advertising or must keep a low profile for their own reasons.the only time i have ever been caught in a police raid, was in szczecin poland.
i usually call for girls to come & see me in my hotel. but on that occasion i went along with a friend to visit some girls in an apartment.
just before we went inside, coppers appeared. non of them spoke any english, and we didn't speak polish.
we showed them our passports, and luckily they were friendly & let us go.
a passing polish guy who spoke english, told us they were busting the apartment, because they received a tip a about some **** girls working there. and we were lucky we we were stopped outside the apartment.
from what i heard there, some mafia guys in poland use the apartments as a decoy, either to rob a monger, or set him up in a blackmail situation with **** girls.
that experience scared the shit out of me.
i don't mind being robbed, but to to end up with a criminal record for having sex with **** girls.
in kiev a girl with very pretty photos caught my eye on some agency's site. phoned them up & booked the girl. i told them that if they didn't send the girl that i booked based on her photos, then no deal, and i would send her back.
waited & waited, no show. when i phoned them they gave me some story about being late blah, blah, and that i can come & see her in the apartment which was out of the centre.
had it not been to for that experience in szczecin with the police raid, probably i would have gone. & either had a blast of a time, which i doubted, or worse.
never visted an apartment in kiev, but if i were to do it, i would either go with an honest english speaking taxi driver, or a wingman who speaks russian.
the last thing i want to deal with in kiev, is the mafia, or the ua militijia, which as cd correctly said, are the same in ukraine.
have fun & stay safe.
come to think of it, i met one of those shills in the area you mention, but it was shortly after a taxi driver had told me there had been some busts of apartments in which taxi drivers had been also nabbed, so i was suspicious that maybe there was some kind of undercover sting operation going on against apartments at the behest of some politician, so i didn't go to where he suggested. turns out i may have missed out on something.
but is there any other way to find these 40 plus girl apartments? it's quite limiting if are we restricted to passively waiting to be approached while walking around. seems it would be worthwhile to have a list of addresses / phone numbers of these places. unless they can't risk advertising or must keep a low profile for their own reasons.the only time i have ever been caught in a police raid, was in szczecin poland.
i usually call for girls to come & see me in my hotel. but on that occasion i went along with a friend to visit some girls in an apartment.
just before we went inside, coppers appeared. non of them spoke any english, and we didn't speak polish.
we showed them our passports, and luckily they were friendly & let us go.
a passing polish guy who spoke english, told us they were busting the apartment, because they received a tip a about some **** girls working there. and we were lucky we we were stopped outside the apartment.
from what i heard there, some mafia guys in poland use the apartments as a decoy, either to rob a monger, or set him up in a blackmail situation with **** girls.
that experience scared the shit out of me.
i don't mind being robbed, but to to end up with a criminal record for having sex with **** girls.
in kiev a girl with very pretty photos caught my eye on some agency's site. phoned them up & booked the girl. i told them that if they didn't send the girl that i booked based on her photos, then no deal, and i would send her back.
waited & waited, no show. when i phoned them they gave me some story about being late blah, blah, and that i can come & see her in the apartment which was out of the centre.
had it not been to for that experience in szczecin with the police raid, probably i would have gone. & either had a blast of a time, which i doubted, or worse.
never visted an apartment in kiev, but if i were to do it, i would either go with an honest english speaking taxi driver, or a wingman who speaks russian.
the last thing i want to deal with in kiev, is the mafia, or the ua militijia, which as cd correctly said, are the same in ukraine.
have fun & stay safe.
The girls at the bar, the ones that are really friendly, return eye contact, those are working girls. If a girl is at the bar by herself that is almost 100%.The funny thing about eye contact on the dance floor at D'Lux is how all the regular girls will give me one good look to check me out and then never return the look again. I am one of those guys dancing on the floor and I can get the girls to dance close to me throughout the night but they will not return the look. All I have to do is get the sex tourist stamp off of my forehead and I think the good times will begin.
This coming Friday and Saturday I will put more focus into trolling the bar for working girls so that I can report back some info on the thread.
come to think of it, i met one of those shills in the area you mention, but it was shortly after a taxi driver had told me there had been some busts of apartments in which taxi drivers had been also nabbed, so i was suspicious that maybe there was some kind of undercover sting operation going on against apartments at the behest of some politician, so i didn't go to where he suggested. turns out i may have missed out on something.
but is there any other way to find these 40 plus girl apartments? it's quite limiting if are we restricted to passively waiting to be approached while walking around. seems it would be worthwhile to have a list of addresses / phone numbers of these places. unless they can't risk advertising or must keep a low profile for their own reasons..
the only time i have ever been caught in a police raid, was in szczecin poland.
i usually call for girls to come & see me in my hotel. but on that occasion i went along with a friend to visit some girls in an apartment.
just before we went inside, coppers appeared. non of them spoke any english, and we didn't speak polish.
we showed them our passports, and luckily they were friendly & let us go.
a passing polish guy who spoke english, told us they were busting the apartment, because they received a tip a about some **** girls working there. and we were lucky we we were stopped outside the apartment.
from what i heard there, some mafia guys in poland use the apartments as a decoy, either to rob a monger, or set him up in a blackmail situation with **** girls.
that experience scared the shit out of me.
i don't mind being robbed, but to to end up with a criminal record for having sex with **** girls.
in kiev a girl with very pretty photos caught my eye on some agency's site. phoned them up & booked the girl. i told them that if they didn't send the girl that i booked based on her photos, then no deal, and i would send her back.
waited & waited, no show. when i phoned them they gave me some story about being late blah, blah, and that i can come & see her in the apartment which was out of the centre.
had it not been to for that experience in szczecin with the police raid, probably i would have gone. & either had a blast of a time, which i doubted, or worse.
never visted an apartment in kiev, but if i were to do it, i would either go with an honest english speaking taxi driver, or a wingman who speaks russian.
the last thing i want to deal with in kiev, is the mafia, or the ua militijia, which as cd correctly said, are the same in ukraine.
have fun & stay safe. .
one more thing about apartments which are not advertised or not in the mongers domain, and not just in kiev.
in london, just on www.adultwork.com there are nearly 4000 girls in the london area alone.
so you can imagine how many more girls working in london, who do not advertise for one reason or another.
for someone being familiar with the london scene &with time on his hand, one can have access to a lot of hotties working in various houses & apartments at very good prices. but who wants to be good samaritan by compromising his contacts & getting involved in unlikely situatations when there is a police raid. i certainly don't.
and i doubt, that any samartian exists in kiev, who is going to do a complete list of 40 apartents in kiev, with addresses & telephone numbers & put it on the open forum.
and why should he?
Bottle bombing in Moscow, Kiev and Prague in the 90's used to have the same effect on a table of 8, 9's. Now if you do that in these locals the girls ask, where's the Bentley?
It's not the 90's anymore so it's on to Tashkent. Some of us are luckily enough to actually work / visit these under developed places before the masses show up. Hence a night of awesomeness for $40.
Bottle Bombing is the tactic of seeing a table of girls you like and sending them over an overwhelming display of, 'I got f'cking money'. In the 90's in Moscow, Kiev, Prague it was $20-$40 of the local bubbly or just speaking English. Now it's a few $K of bottle service, a few grams, a vertu, the aforementioned Bentley and it helps not to speak English. That is of course for the party 8s and 9s that the deluded on ISG think they are banging.
Talking about Tashkent,.
Read tff. :)LOL. Sure. I've said that often enough, so it comes back around. Believe me, I have read it. And meticulously every post. I wouldn't have had the nerve to tell others to do so, had I not been following that advice too. But I only started reading everything from the end of 2010 and the demise of RP going forward, since I felt that going a year back was sufficient for my purposes, on the assumption that anything valuable would come up again within such a period, and older material would likely have become obsolete.
However, on your say so that info on how to find girl apartments (beyond asking taxi drivers or meeting a shill on the street) is in the forum, I will definitely have a look see.
Bottle bombing in Moscow, Kiev and Prague in the 90's used to have the same effect on a table of 8, 9's. Now if you do that in these locals the girls ask, where's the Bentley?
It's not the 90's anymore so it's on to Tashkent. Some of us are luckily enough to actually work / visit these under developed places before the masses show up. Hence a night of awesomeness for $40.I happen to be sitting outside right now in my Local pub enjoying the weather & reading this.
And talking about Tashkent Prices, the guy next to me just showed me the Travel Section of an English paper, which shows that prices for a bottle of water, a loaf of Bread, or one main course in a restaurant in Tashkent, ain't that cheap. These are for non tourist prices. .
At your prices an all night of awesomeness for the grand sum of US$ 40, and in a Muslim country as well, I would rather eat the Uzbek Girl's Pussy, than the local loaf of Bread.
Works out cheaoer.
In Prague before 1990, the hot Hookers used to put a potential client through the Black Label Whisky & Coke test, because the local bubbly (Russian Champagne) was dirt cheap.
I didn't need to do all of this, being then in my 20s, and with a western car parked outside what was then the local equivalent of River Palace (. Lucerna.). It was enough for a girl to taken for a ride in my car, before heading to my Room in an Apartment& all for free. .
I even remember the first Girl I picked up in my Car on Vaslavske Namsete, prague, she was with her fiance a Soldier wearing his uniform as well. They both got in the car, went just outside Prague, the soldier driving, and me & Jana making out on the rear Seat.
The couple got divorced months later, and I ended Fucking Jana in her Apartment on Washingtinova central prague, every time I went to Prague. That was a true freebie Hottie.
Those daye are long gone, Even Skoda Czech cars along with Lada Russian cars, which were a joke then, are quite kosher now, even in the West.
Tiraspol in Transdinister seems to be the Place for Cheap Caucasian Pussies right Now?
Next.
Over to you.
CastOnThis
03-25-12, 17:51
Has any one ever been to Tato Fashion Club? Is it still open?
And talking about Tashkent Prices, the guy next to me just showed me the Travel Section of an English paper, which shows that prices for a bottle of water, a loaf of Bread, or one main course in a restaurant in Tashkent, ain't that cheap. These are for non tourist prices.That is pure BS. As someone who has been there four times (last time for Christmas) , I can ATTEST that you can have a three courses fine diner, with lot of beer, in a Tashkent "upscale" restaurant for 40 000 soums (1€ = 3 000 soums at black market). A bottle at a "in" club costs 30 € at max. The average costs for entertainment in Uzbekistan are (I think) the lowest one can find in FSU as Cruiser rightly stated.
Uzbekistan is not a "muslim country" by the way (rolleyes). It is a laic country. In Tashkent you will encounter less of the cliche Islamic lifestyle than you would in some districts of Paris or London.
Tashkent can't be compared to Tiraspol by the way. It's city vs. Village. Tashkent is the fourth largest city in FSU, just after Kiev, with a pop of 2. 2 millions. That makes, I can tell you, more pussy than you can handle with.
I gave her some gifts that I bring with me for girls (every girl I met I give some small gift and they are very happy. And they like that and they reward you in GFE.).What are some of those gifts?
Me and You
03-25-12, 20:09
Gifts like toys (bear-dog.) or makillage or a perfume (there is a collection of Dior of 5 small bottles with different scents you can find in Duty free) that costs about 50 euros. And some sweets and chocolates.
It is not only about gift. But be gentle, kind and generous. Girls need some affection and care. And you can show it by small gests or gifts. Sometimes they are very suprised and very excited with gifts. I repeat it is about the attention and the gest, not the small gift itself.
You can start with a drink (always in fridge WHiskey and Cola and Baileys (most girls like these) and some wine and Martini. Then give the gift. Then you will be rewarded.
What are some of those gifts?
I posted it a long time ago at Bez's request.
However, on your say so that info on how to find girl apartments (beyond asking taxi drivers or meeting a shill on the street) is in the forum, I will definitely have a look see.
About Saloons or appartments. Many in Center. Better to go to Saloons well known and not into private appartment with one or 2 girls and far from Center (for safety reasons).
I post some tel numbers for some appartments and I hope the same numbers still working as they chnage tel number periodically.
- BEST one 0674438285: on Kripynysto'koho str 4. Parralel to bessarabska: 1000 griv or 125 $ for hour but you can find top girls (7-8-9) like Gennia (tall blonde with Crystal blue eyes and nice tits and ass) or Ivanna (brunnette with blue eyes) or Vlada or Anfisa. 1000 is good deal as you don't have to pay taxi for girl. They will bring the girl to you and take her back with their own taxis in case you want her in your appartment (I prefer this option) or you can stay with the girl at the place as they have rooms. And no extras expenses drinks and so. As in clubs or in Rio.
- krasnoarmiskaya 14:0962667021:800 Katrin is 8 brunette with blue eyes.
- Shuta rustavelli 40:0639756410.
-Lesi Ukrainki 16:0637044480.
- Luteranska 3 0991178876.
- Bessarabska 5 behind Fridays restaurant: 067505612.
- Tarasovskaya 14:0965564010.
Advantages of these saloons:
- you see what you get (not a question of luck as on Mamba or other sites) and you can talk with the girl before going with her. Asking about services (usually no BBBJ but you can find some who accepts as I did with Anfisa when I met her that was her first day at work (still amateur) so we did DFK DATY BBJ and CIM. She was hot.
- no time waste: you go and you choose the girl and you go with her at the place or you pay and you ask them to bring her to your place. Or if you know some girls name from before, you can just call and order the girl if she is available and they bring her to your place but you must go to street and give the money before she go up with you.
- no extra expenses : no taxi fairs or drinks or so on.
- Some Saloons works 24 hours so when you are hopless and you need some action you have a reserve. Choice.
- Best time to is at 19 evening when most of girls start work. So you have the best selection to see the girls and write names in case you need to meet them later or call to bring some girl to you.
Good luck.There you go. Here is a Kiev Samaritan, and I stand corrected.
Just hope, the Phone numbers still working.
Like I said, A week in mongering, is even longer than in Politics.
Unless the girls there are top notch 8&9, prices ain't that cheap.
Salons used to advertise in Personals section, Kiev post in the old days.
I posted it a long time ago at Bez's request..
And the girls are by now, past their fuck By Date. Right?
And where is Bez, so we can retrieve the list, and copy & paste it here.
CD. It was so Quiet here before you landed in Kiev, now I don't know whether to thank you, or curse you.
You are keeping my fingers (Actually One Finger) busy& all for the wrong reasons.
Goodbye Lenin
03-25-12, 23:55
BEST one 0674438285: on Kripynysto'koho str 4. Parralel to bessarabska: 1000 griv or 125 $ for hour.I was there last summer and I reported here : the mamasan told me that BBBJ and DFK were not on the menu ("sorry this is our policy here") so I left.
That is pure BS. As someone who has been there four times (last time for Christmas) , I can ATTEST that you can have a three courses fine diner, with lot of beer, in a Tashkent "upscale" restaurant for 40 000 soums (1€ = 3 000 soums at black market). A bottle at a "in" club costs 30 € at max. The average costs for entertainment in Uzbekistan are (I think) the lowest one can find in FSU as Cruiser rightly stated.
Uzbekistan is not a "muslim country" by the way (rolleyes). It is a laic country. In Tashkent you will encounter less of the cliche Islamic lifestyle than you would in some districts of Paris or London.
Tashkent can't be compared to Tiraspol by the way. It's city vs. Village. Tashkent is the fourth largest city in FSU, just after Kiev, with a pop of 2. 2 millions. That makes, I can tell you, more pussy than you can handle with.I read it here in the travel section of this paper, Evening Standard, published in london.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/.
The travel editor's article on his recent trip to Tashkent.
A bottle of Water is £0. 70 =euro 0. 85.
A Loaf of Bread is £0. 70 =euro 0. 85.
A main course (ONE) in a restaurant £7. 00 = euro 8. 54.
Like I said I read this when I was in the Pub. At that stage I was very sober, wasn't seeing things Today I checked on www.numbeo.com & cost of living. On Tashkent, different figures to the above.
But I see you are quoting black market rates. I imagine the Editor was quoting Offical bank rates.
BTW. Uzbekistan is a Muslim country, but is a Secular country, much like say Turkey,
Being Muslim, doesn't mean Islamic life style. In fact I further, read that in Uzbekistan the government has now banned the sale of Islamic hijab& chador to women.
Young guys are now banned from going to mosques or churches, in an attempt to crack down on extremisem.
Dubai of the United Arab Emirates is a muslim country, yet it is one of the biggest working girl houses in the World. And there you have tons of Uzbek girls.
My preference is for Blonde Caucasian girls, and I only got involved in this thing about Tashkent, when CD mentioned all nighters there for US$40.
Another good place to meet Uzbek girls, is in Bangkok. The best lookers can be found in the disco CM2 at Novotel Hotel. Met a great girl there, she wanted US$ 150 for all night.
But she wouldn't do short time. So it was a no deal for me.
I have yet to try an Uzbek Girl.
But I would still prefer to try Tiraspol first, even if its a Village compared to Tashkent.
Me and You
03-26-12, 11:17
DFK BBJ and sometimes DATY is never on menu on these Saloons.
Better you ask the girl and not the Mamasan. And another thing is better take the girl to your place. Offer a drink (may be a small gift) and a short talk (you have only one hour). She will feel more in mood and more relaxed than meeting her at the place where she works. I ve met 3 girls and I had DFK and DATY from all of them. And BBJ and cim from one of them (was her first day at work). And from previous visit to Kiev I got DFK DATY AND ANAL from a 19 years old. From this saloon.
I told you my experience from this saloon. My own experience does not mean good for everybody (may be I was lucky LOL).
They have the best line up. You can find some jewels in the other saloons but not best line up girls. I did not visit all these saloons. May be 3 or 4. But this is the best one.
One more thing. These saloons are as alternative choice for hopless time or for limited time.
- About contact numbers of these saloons. Most of the numbers still working for sure if not all (from February. A month ago) , but not sure if all the numbers still working as they change numbers regularly for safety reasons (police.).
I was there last summer and I reported here : the mamasan told me that BBBJ and DFK were not on the menu ("sorry this is our policy here") so I left.
Non tourist places? Umm, yeah sure, the locals are paying Western prices for food in a third world country. Uh huh.
You buy hookers drinks? Interesting.
And talking about Tashkent Prices, the guy next to me just showed me the Travel Section of an English paper, which shows that prices for a bottle of water, a loaf of Bread, or one main course in a restaurant in Tashkent, ain't that cheap. These are for non tourist prices. .
In Prague before 1990, the hot Hookers used to put a potential client through the Black Label Whisky & Coke test, because the local bubbly (Russian Champagne) was dirt cheap.
You may find this hard to believe but I'm not going to go about collecting and compiling an apartment list for the clueless and lazy on this board. Come to Kiev and find them yourself. All you have to do is look like a clueless foreigner; wander aimlessly around Khreshatic staring at the girls with your mouth open and the shills will find you.
I never have much like finding the quality I like at the apartments and I find the prices more expensive or the same as the semi pro's on Mamba so I very seldom go.
As I said before the apartments in the center operate under the protection of the police, they are very safe. Nothing bad is going to happen to you if you go to one.
I started posting again because it was so sad to see the forum so banal.
I might be going to Rio tonight, stay tuned... ;)
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And the girls are by now, past their fuck By Date. Right?
And where is Bez, so we can retrieve the list, and copy & paste it here.
CD. It was so Quiet here before you landed in Kiev, now I don't know whether to thank you, or curse you.
You are keeping my fingers (Actually One Finger) busy& all for the wrong reasons.
I ran into this web site. I do not know if it is any good. It seems to cater to locals, so the prices are more reasonable. Some of the girls also advertise on other sites, I think. Only in North America do locals pay as much as foreigners.
http://youdosug.biz
City Angel
03-26-12, 19:22
Recently visited Rio, some of my thoughts.
(apologies if I'm repeating others, haven't read every comment posted over the last few months)
The key for me is your ability to get into the VIP area, this is where they keep the babes.
The 3 other rooms simply have the same girls rotating through them, for a Friday or Saturday night I would say 30-40. At any time 8 will be dancing, and a similar number will be away from the club working 'take out', leaving very few available to chat to customers and provide the private dances. Don't think any value will be gained by me attempting to rate these girls, as it will just encourage the usual collection of retards to start commenting again. Lets just sat that they vary in shapes and sizes.
Through generosity or familiarity you need to get yourself into the VIP area. This room consists of 6 tables. 3 poles and about 20 girls. Once there it costs no more cash than the regular room. But the girls are far more attractive, a lot more fun to chat with, and provide a better private dance.
Cost?. As of March 2011.
Admission 100 UAH.
Drinks 30-80 UAH (cheaper than a regular bar in London)
Private dances 200 UAH (last 7-10 minutes, you can touch what you want)
Take Away $300 USD (2-3 hours)
You may find this hard to believe but I'm not going to go about collecting and compiling an apartment list for the clueless and lazy on this board. Come to Kiev and find them yourself. All you have to do is look like a clueless foreigner; wander aimlessly around Khreshatic staring at the girls with your mouth open and the shills will find you.
I never have much like finding the quality I like at the apartments and I find the prices more expensive or the same as the semi pro's on Mamba so I very seldom go.
As I said before the apartments in the center operate under the protection of the police, they are very safe. Nothing bad is going to happen to you if you go to one.
I started posting again because it was so sad to see the forum so banal.
I might be going to Rio tonight, stay tuned. .You got us involved in the talk about apartments & Your List. The last thing I want do is to go around Kiev Checking Apartments. When I am in Kiev, I don't go to Apartments, but I make damn sure anything which sound good in the Apartments, come to me.
Now your List of Apartments that you did at Bez's request, is proving as Elusive as Schindler's List.
I am staying tuned to hear about your visit to Rio.
Well here is a Chance to do a much needed List.
AZN Monger
03-26-12, 19:38
I just wanted to say HunterDave is the man. Not only does he provide good reports, he also helps out via private messages. HunterDave, if you get this and you're in Kiev right now, let me know. I have a REALLY smoking blonde model (literally) for you as a return of favors.
Non tourist places? Umm, yeah sure, the locals are paying Western prices for food in a third world country. Uh huh.
You buy hookers drinks? Interesting.Never paid for hookers or bought drinks for them (Hookers or Civvy Drinks) in Prague, Warsaw, Budapest, just before Gorby fucked up the mongering scene in the EE, when the Wall came down.
Now more than 20 years later, believe it or not, I pay for Hookers, and if it needs be, I would buy H ookers Drinks. Why not, they give us a good time, don't they.
They deserve it more than civvy Female Freeloaders.
I would rather have the Power of the Host, than the obligations of a Guest, but I wouldn't buy drinks for the Latter.
BTW checked www.mercers.com Cost of living index, as well www.xpatulator.com, for cost of living worldwide for ex-pats, living the expensive life in cheap cities, and guess What?
Karachi, Pakistan, is the Winner. EVEN a Loaf of Bread is Cheaper than in Tashkent.
Any Takers.
I just wanted to say HunterDave is the man. Not only does he provide good reports, he also helps out via private messages. HunterDave, if you get this and you're in Kiev right now, let me know. I have a REALLY smoking blonde model (literally) for you as a return of favors.I concur with the above.
Hunter provided names & Telephone numbers, & we exchanged few names as well.
Stay tuned for his landing.
I was there last summer and I reported here : the mamasan told me that BBBJ and DFK were not on the menu ("sorry this is our policy here") so I left.I was hoping to hear about a more favourable menu for US$125, an hour.
(Sorry this is our policy here) , sounds more like Goodbye Lenin, Hello, Putin.
DFK BBJ and sometimes DATY is never on menu on these Saloons.
Better you ask the girl and not the Mamasan. And another thing is better take the girl to your place. Offer a drink (may be a small gift) and a short talk (you have only one hour). She will feel more in mood and more relaxed than meeting her at the place where she works. I ve met 3 girls and I had DFK and DATY from all of them. And BBJ and cim from one of them (was her first day at work). And from previous visit to Kiev I got DFK DATY AND ANAL from a 19 years old. From this saloon.
I told you my experience from this saloon. My own experience does not mean good for everybody (may be I was lucky LOL).
They have the best line up. You can find some jewels in the other saloons but not best line up girls. I did not visit all these saloons. May be 3 or 4. But this is the best one.Agree with the above Strategy. Even in London's Parlours, Brothels, you discuss services with the girl, once in the Room, and not with the Maid
I don't know about Kiev apartments (salons) , but in London you also hand the money over to the Girl, once in the room. This is because of complicated Prostitution laws in the UK.
Once in the room, you can discuss services, and iif she declines a certain service, you can leave, before any money handed over.
Non tourist places? Umm, yeah sure, the locals are paying Western prices for food in a third world country. Uh huh.
Interesting.Yeah sure, locals in Tashkent don't pay western prices for food, but for foreign mongers &Expatriates, for sure Tashkent ain't that cheap Either.
Would you believe Tashkent is more expensive than Detroit, MI, and far more expensive than Winston Salem NC. Winston Salem is the cheapest city in the US.
I am already lurking on craigslist, looking for a pussy there.
According to Mercer's cost of livingsurvey2011, worldwide City Ranking.
Here it is.
http://www.mercer.com/press-releases/1420615.
Tashkent stands at number 178& winston is 197 on a ranking of 1/214.
Karachi is the cheapest. Luanda, Angola at number one, most expensive.
Minsk, going by this is also cheaper than your Beloved Tashkent.
I think I am turning into a LilJOJO, with all these details.
Now where can one find this US$ 40 all night of awsomeness that you mentioned about having in Tashkent.
Then we can have something that we can throw a hat at.
You may find this hard to believe but I'm not going to go about collecting and compiling an apartment list for the clueless and lazy on this board. Come to Kiev and find them yourself. All you have to do is look like a clueless foreigner; wander aimlessly around Khreshatic staring at the girls with your mouth open and the shills will find you.
I might be going to Rio tonight, stay tuned.Would you believe that I posted a Link to walkups, Apartments in Soho, London, for the benefit of first time mongers in London, so they don't look like a clueless Foreigner wandering around Soho.
With an open mouth.
Here it is.
http://sohowalkups.wikispaces.com/.
I posted this in the London thread.
Another one iam going to post on, will be for Walkups in one of the most exclusive areas of London, Shepherd Market, Mayfair.
I hardly use any of them now, as I have my own list of apartments that I don't want hordes of tourists to know about.
But I posted the link for the above, because I believe what goes around, comes around.
Now, when are we going to hear about your Rio visit.
Never paid for hookers or bought drinks for them (Hookers or Civvy Drinks) in Prague, Warsaw, Budapest, just before Gorby fucked up the mongering scene in the EE, when the Wall came down.
Now more than 20 years later, believe it or not, I pay for Hookers, and if it needs be, I would buy H ookers Drinks. Why not, they give us a good time, don't they.
They deserve it more than civvy Female Freeloaders.
I would rather have the Power of the Host, than the obligations of a Guest, but I wouldn't buy drinks for the Latter.
BTW checked.
www.mercers.com
Cost of living index, as well.
www.xpatulator.com
, for cost of living worldwide for ex-pats, living the expensive life in cheap cities, and guess What?
Karachi, Pakistan, is the Winner. EVEN a Loaf of Bread is Cheaper than in Tashkent.
Any Takers.PS. I meant I wouldn't buy drinks for the Civvy Female Freeloaders, on the pull for expensive cocktails.
This is turning into a Fucking full time job with all the postings.
CD, when are you leaving KIEV?
My finger is aching from the Typing, ooch, ooch
I ran into this web site. I do not know if it is any good. It seems to cater to locals, so the prices are more reasonable. Some of the girls also advertise on other sites, I think. Only in North America do locals pay as much as foreigners.
http://youdosug.bizYeah, I agree about prices in North America.
In the UK as well, everyone gets a fair crack of the whip as well. No discrimination when it comes to prices for sex.
Not fair though, when Japs& koreans are welcome in any sex establishment in the Uk& North America, but foreigners are turned away from many places in Korea& Japan.
They shove it in your face there, Koreans Only, Or Japanese only.
Time to stand up to this BS.
Goodbye Lenin
03-27-12, 01:31
Agree with the above Strategy. Even in London's Parlours, Brothels, you discuss services with the girl, once in the Room, and not with the Maid
I don't know about Kiev apartments (salons) , but in London you also hand the money over to the Girl, once in the room. This is because of complicated Prostitution laws in the UK.
Once in the room, you can discuss services, and if she declines a certain service, you can leave, before any money handed over.I generally behave like that too, but when I went there all girls were in the sitting room and just 1 could speak english so when I asked that girl if some of them offered DFK and BBBJ the mamasan / maid behind me answered that it was not allowed in her salon. She also told me I had to pay the 1000 gryvnas upfront to her and not to the girl, so I thought once in the room I would not get any extra service by the girl unless I tipped her. As the price was already not that cheap for Ukraine (125$/h without BBBJ or DFK) I left (I guess those are prices for foreigners).
May be it's different if you bring the girl home as Me and You suggested or if you call her as escort, then either she is more relaxed or there is more room for bargaining BEFORE any money handed over.
Recently visited Rio, some of my thoughts.
(apologies if I'm repeating others, haven't read every comment posted over the last few months)
The key for me is your ability to get into the VIP area, this is where they keep the babes.
The 3 other rooms simply have the same girls rotating through them, for a Friday or Saturday night I would say 30-40. At any time 8 will be dancing, and a similar number will be away from the club working 'take out', leaving very few available to chat to customers and provide the private dances. Don't think any value will be gained by me attempting to rate these girls, as it will just encourage the usual collection of retards to start commenting again. Lets just sat that they vary in shapes and sizes.
Through generosity or familiarity you need to get yourself into the VIP area. This room consists of 6 tables. 3 poles and about 20 girls. Once there it costs no more cash than the regular room. But the girls are far more attractive, a lot more fun to chat with, and provide a better private dance.
Cost. As of March 2011.
Admission 100 UAH.
Drinks 30-80 UAH (cheaper than a regular bar in London)
Private dances 200 UAH (last 7-10 minutes, you can touch what you want)
Take Away $300 USD (2-3 hours) Where is the VIP room? I sit in a room first floor next to the coat check. There is about ten tables there with three poles.
I will only go if I can talk Irish Lad into going too. .Thursday is good for me) Usual table in Shooters on Wednesday.
Yes, unless the girl is a Pro, it would be difficult 4 a civvy girl to out herself to you that she is Bi.
CheersBe to a pint of Guiness that out of 100 girls here that you ask, only 10% will say "not bi".
Of the rest. 20% will say,"don't know, never tried" with 30% saying "maybe".
I just wanted to say HunterDave is the man. Not only does he provide good reports, he also helps out via private messages. HunterDave, if you get this and you're in Kiev right now, let me know. I have a REALLY smoking blonde model (literally) for you as a return of favors.Hello, Hunter Dave on a flight to Kiev at the moment but you can send me the link and I promise to pass it on)
sometimes works and they accept and sometimes don't work and they refused firmly. you have to try. and do not hesitate. some girls like to be taken or possesed.takes me back a few years.
hello, all,
here's some advice which i hope is helpful to all.
the ukrainian art of seduction lies somewhere between taming a wild horse and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).
Recently visited Rio, some of my thoughts.
(apologies if I'm repeating others, haven't read every comment posted over the last few months)
The key for me is your ability to get into the VIP area, this is where they keep the babes.
The 3 other rooms simply have the same girls rotating through them, for a Friday or Saturday night I would say 30-40. At any time 8 will be dancing, and a similar number will be away from the club working 'take out', leaving very few available to chat to customers and provide the private dances. Don't think any value will be gained by me attempting to rate these girls, as it will just encourage the usual collection of retards to start commenting again. Lets just sat that they vary in shapes and sizes.
Through generosity or familiarity you need to get yourself into the VIP area. This room consists of 6 tables. 3 poles and about 20 girls. Once there it costs no more cash than the regular room. But the girls are far more attractive, a lot more fun to chat with, and provide a better private dance.
Cost. As of March 2011.
Admission 100 UAH.
Drinks 30-80 UAH (cheaper than a regular bar in London)
Private dances 200 UAH (last 7-10 minutes, you can touch what you want)
Take Away $300 USD (2-3 hours) Slight correction to your info. There are generally three separate line ups dancing in the club, one line up in the downstairs bar, another dancing the upstairs inner and outer rooms, and a third separate line up in the VIP (that's upstairs further in than the upstairs inner room.
Very often the stunners are mostly in the downstairs bar where the established local clients usually are seated first. If there was a way to characterize the VIP line up one might say there are more of the petite pretty younger type girls in that line up.
One should make an effort to move to a different bar to see the other line up in the event not enough hotties are in the line up where you are sitting. But I would not characterize the VIP line up as superior to the others always, although by all means check out the VIP. If you tip the manager 100 UAH, it should get him to act on your behalf.
The $300 is for at least for 3 hours, maybe more depending on your connection with the girl. If you got less, than you were given less than everyone else.
Slight correction to your info. There are generally three separate line ups dancing in the club, one line up in the downstairs bar, another dancing the upstairs inner and outer rooms, and a third separate line up in the VIP (that's upstairs further in than the upstairs inner room.
Very often the stunners are mostly in the downstairs bar where the established local clients usually are seated first. If there was a way to characterize the VIP line up one might say there are more of the petite pretty younger type girls in that line up.
One should make an effort to move to a different bar to see the other line up in the event not enough hotties are in the line up where you are sitting. But I would not characterize the VIP line up as superior to the others always, although by all means check out the VIP. If you tip the manager 100 UAH, it should get him to act on your behalf.
The $300 is for at least for 3 hours, maybe more depending on your connection with the girl. If you got less, than you were given less than everyone else.Hmm. Interesting. If the girls are not any better looking and if there is no extra charge to get into "VIP" what is the point of VIP? To make it feel more exclusive? Will they stop you if you just try to walk into the VIP?
Hmm. Interesting. If the girls are not any better looking and if there is no extra charge to get into "VIP" what is the point of VIP? To make it feel more exclusive? Will they stop you if you just try to walk into the VIP?I'm sure exclusivity is the main reason. The decor and ambience is more luxurious. Also there is one large couch against the far wall to the left as one enters the VIP that has a dancing stage for two girls at a time. If you're lucky enough to be seated at that couch then you will have two girls dancing right in front of you with whom you can easily hold conversations as they dance. You can follow through and invite the girl to sit with you directly as you converse with her. You can do it all right from your seat without getting up. Unfortunately, this couch is usually reserved for larger groups of Russian speaking locals. So I've only gotten seated there when it was slow at the club or in early hours with the understanding with Slava that he will move me when the group comes. The other two poles in the VIP are set up each in front of another wall of the room, and two girls come out and dance on these two poles, then they switch poles, then they go to the double girl stage in front of the big couch.
Although I would not go so far as to say that the girls in the line up at the VIP are more beautiful than the beauties that may dance in one of the other line ups, as City Angel was suggesting, it might be true that in the VIP line up there will be less of the more average looking girls that one does see in the upstairs and downstairs line ups. So I guess it might be true that the VIP line up has a higher density of hotties because it has less of the more average girls in it. And this may account for the impression he got. Also, to those guys who have a thing for petite pretty young things, they might like the VIP line up during periods when they seem to be concentrated in the VIP line up. But things change all the time, and girls rotate. I've seen girls dancing in VIP, who I previously saw dancing downstairs. So they mix it up a bit, making it difficult to state a rule or generalize about these things. I have many times seen very beautiful girls dancing downstairs and upstairs who were more beautiful than many of the girls dancing in VIP room.
I would not try the suggestion you made of simply trying to barge in to the VIP room without asking, because it is not practical. There is very limited seating in VIP, so the question of whether there is space for you to sit must be ascertained by a manager. That's not to say that if they know you, they would get upset if you go in there and stand at the doorway area to ask Slava if there's space for you. But if they don't know you that well, it's probably adviseable to ask the manager of the room you're sitting in to get you into the VIP, after all you've given him a tip, he will want to be helpful to you to encourage that niceness in the future.
Yeah sure, locals in Tashkent don't pay western prices for food, but for foreign mongers &Expatriates, for sure Tashkent ain't that cheap Either.
Would you believe Tashkent is more expensive than Detroit, MI, and far more expensive than Winston Salem NC. Winston Salem is the cheapest city in the US.
I am already lurking on craigslist, looking for a pussy there.
According to Mercer's cost of livingsurvey2011, worldwide City Ranking.
Here it is.
http://www.mercer.com/press-releases/1420615.
Tashkent stands at number 178& winston is 197 on a ranking of 1/214.
Karachi is the cheapest. Luanda, Angola at number one, most expensive.
Minsk, going by this is also cheaper than your Beloved Tashkent.
I think I am turning into a LilJOJO, with all these details.
Now where can one find this US$ 40 all night of awsomeness that you mentioned about having in Tashkent.
Then we can have something that we can throw a hat at.I don't want to polute the Kiev thread, but honestly your post deserves an answer.
Some costs in Tashkent (1 € = 2600 soums official, about 3000 at black market) :
* taxi ride: 2000 soums to almost anywhere in town.
* light lunch for self at Demir Mall foodcourt (turkish style meat + rice and coke) : 8000 soums.
* light dinner for two at upscale restaurant with drinks: 50 000 soums.
* heavy dinner for two at upscale restaurant with many drinks : 90 000 soums.
* light night clubbing at one club with average volume drinks for self and occasional drinks bought for girls: 70 000 soums.
* heavy night clubbing at multiple clubs with multiple drinks for self, drinks for girls (bottles + table) , fruit plate, hookah, ect : 250 000 soums.
* heavy night (10pm-6am) at FM strip bar, with multiple lapdancings / neck massages and multiple drinks for self and girls: 200 000 soums.
* quality pro Russian pussy (TLN) : $50 to $100.
More precisely, drinks in upmarket clubs :
* Local beer (Sarbast or Baltika) averages 4000 soums ($2) for a 0, 5 l bottle.
* Corona / Miller will cost an average of 5000 soums per bottle.
* A cocktail will usually run about 8000 soums.
* Local vodka shot will cost an average of 3000 soums.
* A 0, 75 l superior vodka brand bottle at table run about 80 000 soums.
As a side note, a furnished two rooms apartment costs about 650 $/month (foreigner rate).
Be to a pint of Guiness that out of 100 girls here that you ask, only 10% will say "not bi".
Of the rest. 20% will say,"don't know, never tried" with 30% saying "maybe"..
And you have just won, not just a Pint Of Guiness, But a Barrel of it.
So Roll Out the Barrel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSKi3xXzz-w.
Plus the latest DVD by the Dubliners.
For anyone who puts (The Inside Layout Plan Of Rio Club) on Google Earth, might get some free shares in a Dublin Guiness Brewery.
And the most likely Winner, will be? , oooops, I nearly Said it.
Hello, Hunter Dave on a flight to Kiev at the moment but you can send me the link and I promise to pass it on)Wot, sitting next to Hunter?
Irish Lad & Hunter Dave in Kiev.
Freebies will be in very short supply, when Hunter hits Town.
But I know Hunter shares some of his conquests, not just posting about about them.
Thursday is good for me) Usual table in Shooters on Wednesday..
Rio De Kiev, or is it Kiev By The Rio.
Where is Kiev?
A, its a city of few millions, where Rio Club is.
Thursday is good for me) Usual table in Shooters on Wednesday.Rio De Kiev, or is it Kiev By The Rio.
Where is Kiev?
A, its a city of few millions, where Rio Club is.
And once I get to this Rio Club, where is the best place for me to sit.
A, on the Lap of a real 10 naked Hottie in the VIP Room.
VIP room in Rio, can be located on Google Earth Shortly.
Stay Tuned.
Hey guys, I have an idea. For the past week I have been having sex with a 19 year old hottie which started at $150 an hour and getting cheaper. Today she brought two of her friends to my place and offered them to me at $150 an hour. Older girls with good performance skills. I just emailed my teeny for permission to pass along her email to my forum colleagues Hunter Dave and LJ who I believe are scheduled to be in town this weekend. Now, if these guys follow up my lead and get cheap sex, they will owe me a number to a girl as soon as they find one that is a value. The contact info will only be passed by pm among us. ISG members that post regularly to Kiev forum and provide a contact to cheap sex and becomes verified can join the circle.
If we work together as a team, there should be no problem for members to fly into Kiev and get the same cheap sex as the locals. I understand the going rate is about 100 an hour but it takes work to find it and a lot of time lost. Boy oh boy, there are a lot of these sex bombs that want to drop into a foreigners apartment, f* his brains and just go home. I witnessed today.
What do you guys think? Please share your thoughts.
Gentleman Travel
03-28-12, 19:09
hello, all,
here's some advice which i hope is helpful to all.
the ukrainian art of seduction lies somewhere between taming a wild horse and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).i love this advice!
we westerners have been so conditioned to be timid that we miss the best of ukraine.
the (few) times i have been bold have led to my greatest successes in ukraine & russia (or with ee women in the west)!
the times i have acted like i was dealing with western women, i have had to struggle to succeed.
we have much to unlearn!
You think a posted link is worth something?
I've read some of your replies to my postings. Are you reading the same posting that I wrote? I think it's been so long since you unleashed the demon seed of your loins that it's clouding your reading comprehension skills.
What amaze me are the guys (nerds) who come here with the analytical approach. As if research of travel sites, expat livability, GNP or per capita income is the key to getting laid. That probably explains the exclusive trips to Rio. Buddha Bar. D Lux (and striking out at those places). It also explains why the forum has become a snooze fest – geez, stop posting absolute drivel; it is so annoying to have to weed through it. By absolute drivel, let's start with the abstract musings about what things might possible be like. If you haven't actually experienced it, don't post about your (lack of) experience.
I'm not going to post any girls phone numbers, I'm not going to give anyone the beggar's tour of Kiev, I'm not going to 'trade' girls with anyone, I'm not going to give anyone a step by step guide on how to get laid by hookers. If you are that pathetic (and I don't mean anyone in particular) just staple a $100 or 100e note to your lapel. The only thing that I will do is (maybe) post a report on what happens when you do it the right way.
I went to Rio the other night with a bud for about 90 minutes. The remodel is nice, the quality of the girls is still the same, a few dogs, mostly average girls and a (very) few good looking girls. At $300 for take out the girl would have to be a (real world) 8 or 9 for me to even start considering it.
With an open mouth.
There is no magical separate rate for locals and foreigners.
The separate rate is for clueless locals and foreigners.
You let the girls take advantage of you and they will.
If you are clueless in English you will be as equally clueless in fluent Russian.
Yeah, I agree about prices in North America.
In the UK as well, everyone gets a fair crack of the whip as well. No discrimination when it comes to prices for sex.
Not fair though, when Japs& koreans are welcome in any sex establishment in the Uk& North America, but foreigners are turned away from many places in Korea& Japan.
They shove it in your face there, Koreans Only, Or Japanese only.
Time to stand up to this BS.
Hey guys, I have an idea. For the past week I have been having sex with a 19 year old hottie which started at $150 an hour and getting cheaper. Today she brought two of her friends to my place and offered them to me at $150 an hour. Older girls with good performance skills. I just emailed my teeny for permission to pass along her email to my forum colleagues Hunter Dave and LJ who I believe are scheduled to be in town this weekend. Now, if these guys follow up my lead and get cheap sex, they will owe me a number to a girl as soon as they find one that is a value. The contact info will only be passed by pm among us. ISG members that post regularly to Kiev forum and provide a contact to cheap sex and becomes verified can join the circle.
If we work together as a team, there should be no problem for members to fly into Kiev and get the same cheap sex as the locals. I understand the going rate is about 100 an hour but it takes work to find it and a lot of time lost. Boy oh boy, there are a lot of these sex bombs that want to drop into a foreigners apartment, f* his brains and just go home. I witnessed today.
What do you guys think? Please share your thoughts.What total BS, and most hilarious point would be the fact that you feel for 150$ and hour and going down you got a bargain.
There is no magical separate rate for locals and foreigners.
The separate rate is for clueless locals and foreigners.
You let the girls take advantage of you and they will.
If you are clueless in English you will be as equally clueless in fluent Russian..
Yeah, got to the stage where, I Rest My Case.
Mrs JOJO getting suspicious about me spending a long time between the Blackberry & the Laptop.
If you stop in London, I will treat you to a Good pint of English Bitter & Toad In The Hole, in my local Watering Hole.
If you are clueless in English you will be as equally clueless in fluent Russian..
Cruiser. Before I go back to my nest, I have to say to you&everyone here, ta-ra.
Ta-ra.
I don't want to polute the Kiev thread, but honestly your post deserves an answer.
Some costs in Tashkent (1 € = 2600 soums official, about 3000 at black market) :
* taxi ride: 2000 soums to almost anywhere in town.
* light lunch for self at Demir Mall foodcourt (turkish style meat + rice and coke) : 8000 soums.
* light dinner for two at upscale restaurant with drinks: 50 000 soums.
* heavy dinner for two at upscale restaurant with many drinks : 90 000 soums.
* light night clubbing at one club with average volume drinks for self and occasional drinks bought for girls: 70 000 soums.
* heavy night clubbing at multiple clubs with multiple drinks for self, drinks for girls (bottles + table) , fruit plate, hookah, ect : 250 000 soums.
* heavy night (10pm-6am) at FM strip bar, with multiple lapdancings / neck massages and multiple drinks for self and girls: 200 000 soums.
* quality pro Russian pussy (TLN) : $50 to $100.
More precisely, drinks in upmarket clubs :
* Local beer (Sarbast or Baltika) averages 4000 soums ($2) for a 0, 5 l bottle.
* Corona / Miller will cost an average of 5000 soums per bottle.
* A cocktail will usually run about 8000 soums.
* Local vodka shot will cost an average of 3000 soums.
* A 0, 75 l superior vodka brand bottle at table run about 80 000 soums.
As a side note, a furnished two rooms apartment costs about 650 $/month (foreigner rate).Better take it up with www.mercer.com.
So their figures can be corrected. They do have a forum for that.
For me all of the above are no good for me, unless Tashkent is on a Layover on to somewhere cheerfulll, like Thailand.
Then I can combine this trip with a side trip to the Great Nation Of Kazakhstan.
For me all of the above are no good for me, unless Tashkent is on a Layover on to somewhere cheerfulll, like Thailand.Thailand more cheerful than Uzbekistan. Hum. Ok. I can see what breed of monger you are. (rolleyes)
What total BS, and most hilarious point would be the fact that you feel for 150$ and hour and going down you got a bargain.OK. I did not know newbies in Kiev such as myself with no language skills can come to this town and instantly find teen hotties to blow them without a condom and take cum in the mouth. I have read the forum, and many first timers here had problems finding girls bez preservitivum.
Hey, thanks for the support. I will be sure to place you on my forum block list.
It was 22 today and sunny. The weather is only going to get better.
www.weather.com.
Type in Kiev and hit return.
There are cuties all over the place. Khreshatic was full of cute village girls today, you don't need to go to Rio ad nauseum to find them.Now here is a post that is total BS and hilarious. 99. 999 per cent of the women walking Khreshatic are just nice Ukranian girls that want nothing to do with mongering. If you want to look like a predator, start approaching the girls on the street. The problem with this member is he is all theory. He has a problem realizing newbies have to begin at ground floor and slowly work there way up the pussy ladder in Ukraine. He believes that we should be jumping from stage 1 to stage 5 instantly and skip everything in between. He holds an edge over us newbies because he has been here a lot longer and chooses to bash are baby steps to FSU pussy heaven.
Member #4491
03-29-12, 11:41
The times I have acted like I was dealing with western women, I have had to struggle to succeed.I was once upon a time also just a western guy doing it the western way, but realized that command is a better way to go with most women (also in the west and also after 10 years of relation). No experience in Ukraine yet, but the "don't ask, just do" principle works everywhere. Photos, anal sex, videos, gagging, just do it without asking for f*cking permission always. She can say NO easily so why put her in the awkward position of saying YES to something that will clearly make her look like the first class cum sl*t she might be?
I am chatting with some Ukrainian girls now preparing for a visit east, and as long as you have game you can be quite pushy, also with a "normal" girl. One girl is dead certain that the Ukrainian culture of good girls is to not have sex on the first date, but we have reached the point where she is sending bikini pictures and discussing favorite sexual positions and how often she masturbates her clean shaved pussy, so the KongKing sniffing phase is well on it's way for me to go directly for the ass licking once I see her in her shitty boarding house. At first I was tentative. They "look like us" so I better treat them the same, but WRONG! In fact I was wrong all the time. This nice stuff is just insecurities and wanting confirmation for every step on the way to pressing the Andros sword in a girls little vagina, and who the f*ck wants to breed with an insecure nerd unless they are paid well for it?
We are programmed to want prime DNA or to receive resources for any sacrifice we make, and so are the girls. Either you prove that you have prime male DNA or you sacrifice 300 USD. I will try a little bit of both in Ukraine because I do not believe the idea that you can not score outside a 300 dollar club if you do not spend more than a week somewhere. Women are women and it takes 30 minutes to figure out her buttons and 2-3 hours to press them no matter where you are. Sometimes this hunt is fun if you have the stamina and energy to be a giver for some hours. 3-4 hours in Rio talking monger gossip or 3-4 hours in a normal bar pressing buttons on a girl you want to shag, is just as well spent hours in my opinion.
I do not expect any help and rarely see girls I get per reference (without seeing pictures first) since when I did, they normally had flaws I did not agree with, BUT If I have any P4P numbers when I am back, I will share them with people that contributes here. Seniors, climb down from your high horses. You will not do reruns anyway if you are as good as you claim, so give a little and get a little in return. A person is not a incapable looser just because he wants a number or two as fall back when he stumbles out of the plane into a new city. Have a heart. And gentlemen let us try to nurture our dented egos in better ways than attacking people that actually are willing to share contacts here, even if we disagree with the price tag. Climaxnow, the strategy you propose is good IMHO and I believe it to be well used all over the world. You just have to find your little team of like minded mongers, and you are on your way to a gold mine of referrals. It saves the girls a lot of potential shame; hence it is the best way to find the sweeties that are not yet defining themselves as pros (if you hit the right circle).
Barba
I usually say, what you aren't bi? What's wrong with you?
Be to a pint of Guiness that out of 100 girls here that you ask, only 10% will say "not bi".
Of the rest. 20% will say,"don't know, never tried" with 30% saying "maybe".
Thailand more cheerful than Uzbekistan. Hum. Ok. I can see what breed of monger you are. (rolleyes)Your Cheerleading of the Great Country of Uzbekistan, is much needed on the Tashlent Thread. Don't you think? Failing that, some input about KIEV, which is the main menu here.
Yes, Thailand is Tons more cheerful than the Asiatic Turkic Republics of the FSU, including Your Uzbekistan. There is a reason for people to call Thailand LOS, Land Of Smiles.
Furthermore, any country in Asia with a name that ends with TAN, begenning with Afganistan or, Uzbekistan, and Borat's Great Nation Of Kazakhstan, just gives the Fucking Creeps. Republics Of Tossers. ROT.
You think I need to go to Tashkent to get Laid, When at this moment in time sitting in an open Bar on one of the sexiest streets of the world, right here in London.
Within 10 minutes walk I can have my pick of Sex Parties & Parlours, with some really hot girls.
But I can understand it, if a monger living in a Punting Desert such as France for eg, would need to Fly to Tashkent for that.
ACOLONIZER, where are you? Much more fun Chatting to You
Cruiser D,
Your IQ must be really low because you still don't get it.
Can a mod ban this clown? it seems he is only here to fight with posters
I can only assume English is not your first language and you have some comprehension issues.
I never said to go whoring on Khreshatic. What I did say to someone who has been to Kiev often is to ask why he keeps going to an establishment like Rio when all he has to do wander around a bit to find beautiful Ukrainian girls who are basically all over the city and very approachable.
It's hard to say I am all theory when I have actually done everything I have talked about.
After coming to Ukraine for 8 years I find the best approach for finding normal girls is chatting them up in everyday settings and online. I've found the best place for finding p4p girls to be online, specifically Mamba.
But that is just my approach, one that I have a lot of success with. That doesn't mean you or anyone else will. But I also post a lot of rock solid advice and information for the noobs and sex tourist. I have great success in the US dating world and it would stand to reason I would in the Ukrainian dating world and I do. YMMV.
Angus Magee
03-29-12, 20:42
Cruiser D,
Your IQ must be really low because you still don't get it.
Can a mod ban this clown? It seems he is only here to fight with postersYou can report any post or series of posts to Jackson. If the person in question is seen to be a serial antagonist he will be banned,
Cruiser D is getting awfully close to serial antagonist territory. He may well have some knowledge but mostly just seems to be ragging on others.
AM
Cruiser D,
Your IQ must be really low because you still don't get it.
Can a mod ban this clown? It seems he is only here to fight with postersI see no antagomisn in Cruiser's posts, rather a reminding of the days when the Kiev thread was interesting and entertaining, and not an endless drivel about a nasty strip joint.
Cruiser D,
Your IQ must be really low because you still don't get it.
Can a mod ban this clown? It seems he is only here to fight with postersWell thank you muddy. If you come to this town I would be happy to share the very little I have.
Feel free to do whatever you think you need to do.
If you think this is 'awfully close' you have some seriously thin skin.
Sorry to interrupt the deluded nonsense of the recent forum postings. You can go back to turning 'Candyland' into 'Fantasyland'.
No wonder why 95% of the decent contributors gave up on it.
But just an FYI being an antagonist is posting something like this; not anything I posted.
"Today. 14:43.
Muddy7.
Cruiser D,
Your IQ must be really low because you still don't get it.
Can a mod ban this clown? It seems he is only here to fight with posters"
You can report any post or series of posts to Jackson. If the person in question is seen to be a serial antagonist he will be banned,
Cruiser D is getting awfully close to serial antagonist territory. He may well have some knowledge but mostly just seems to be ragging on others.
AM
This Cruiser clown brings nothing to this forum.
All his posts are about attacking other posters.
Stupid moron is fucking up a good topic
Well thank you muddy. If you come to this town I would be happy to share the very little I have.Thank you sir
For the past week I have been unable to log in at my account by flirt. Ru (alias love. Ujut. Ne). The message I get: you are trying to log in from an unusual place, . And whateve I try, nothing helps. And I am the same computer as always. I have tried to post the info address, but no answere. I even tried to started another account, which worked for two days, but then same thing happend. Is it common that people get excluded, when f. Ex. Someone doesn't speak Russian, or is writing from Germany or wherever? Pleas report if others have similar experience
For the past week I have been unable to log in at my account by flirt. Ru (alias love. Ujut. Ne). The message I get: you are trying to log in from an unusual place, . And whateve I try, nothing helps. And I am the same computer as always. I have tried to post the info address, but no answere. I even tried to started another account, which worked for two days, but then same thing happend. Is it common that people get excluded, when f. Ex. Someone doesn't speak Russian, or is writing from Germany or wherever? Pleas report if others have similar experienceI only get this when I am abroad. Flirt / mamba use your IP as I. D.
And normally you have to enter the last 4 numbers of your mobile phone in the box for verification.
Can we please stop the mud-slinging to coin a phrase.
Cruiser has contributed loads, and is entitled to his opinion. Personally never met the guy, but never read anything to be offended by.
What Cruiser is saying is true, but as a newbie most of us don't / didn't have confidence from day 1 because of western conditioning.
In reality you should be at an advantage on day 1 as it is the youngest you will ever be in Kyiv.
So stop blaming others and their opinions and concentrate on your own game.
And yes, $150 an hour is close to extortionate here I have to say. There are loads of great p4p on Minuet, topModals and Mamba,
And if you have the "game"/personality, you will score a freebie in Kyiv way better than you could back home.
My fear is that last sentence may only have 2 months to run until the Euro footy rolls into town to spoil everything!
Anyone use this?
Cannot use my card and need a purchase and it's under €10, bloody annoying, as I need to buy something only available over there!
If any seniors in Ukr right now know how I can top up my account remotely without a "full Webmoney passport".
I know you can apply in person in London, New York etc, but it's impossible right now. And I am back in Kyiv in 2 weeks.
Anyone found out any more about this club yet? Near Respublikansky metro apparently, somewhere on red army street.
Hoping "Klub Dolls" will be a genuine rival for Rios with similar pricing and take out. However Moscow version is not highly rated. But Golden Dolls in Riga is a different story!
Should be some discount flyers around town I would think for first few weeks of opening.
Hi,
I am on studentVisa in Kiev, any guidance on girls? I am looking for some good action may be I will try to get one as life partner.
Anyone found out any more about this club yet? Near Respublikansky metro apparently, somewhere on red army street.
Hoping "Klub Dolls" will be a genuine rival for Rios with similar pricing and take out. However Moscow version is not highly rated. But Golden Dolls in Riga is a different story!
Should be some discount flyers around town I would think for first few weeks of opening.I am on student visa at Kiev, looking for a good action any guidance. I am an asian. India.
Anyone found out any more about this club yet? Near Respublikansky metro apparently, somewhere on red army street.
Hoping "Klub Dolls" will be a genuine rival for Rios with similar pricing and take out. However Moscow version is not highly rated. But Golden Dolls in Riga is a different story!
Should be some discount flyers around town I would think for first few weeks of opening.Hi The Knight,
May be this is not the right place to discuss but can you give more details about Golden Dolls in Riga?
Thanks in advance.
Naykan
I see no antagomisn in Cruiser's posts, rather a reminding of the days when the Kiev thread was interesting and entertaining, and not an endless drivel about a nasty strip joint.Now, You would Say That, Wouldn't You.
Birds Of The Same Feather Flock Together.
Cruiser, Thats right, don't even think about using your Fingers on any Buttons here.
Stick up one or 2 in the Air, if you Want?
Tha last thing I want to do is fly my Ass all the way from London to chase some UA village girls, hillybellies on Kreschatick, or go round trying to chat up girls half my age in Shopping Malls or Stores.
It reminds me of that Film Breezy. I spent more than half of my life Chatting up & Shagging girls all over the world, and if I wanted to do this, I would rather do it at present right here in London, or Washington DC. Where all you need is a bit of BS to score with ladies, who have left the 18/30 Club.
Hence the need for me to head to KIEV, for Mongering, and not to play the Dating Game.
Simply not interested in it in EE countries. Mongering is cheaper for me than Dating In Kiev, or London for that matter.Bingo, or start calling and wasting time with the skunks and fake profiles on mumba because they are cheap.
I wonder if Cruiser finally got it.
Now if you don't have enough money then fake profiles on mamba and chasing girls on the street in cold weather and snow and shopping malls are good options for you, LOL
Hi,
I am on studentVisa in Kiev, any guidance on girls? I am looking for some good action may be I will try to get one as life partner.The first thing you need to do, is to enrol on a Sexeology Degree Course at Kiev University.
There you would have plenty of girls, who can teach you a thing or 2 about getting Good Action.
In appreciation of their Favors, you can take your Favourite Girl to Caribian Club.
Its a good Place for Darker skinned Mongers, but you need to be a very good Dancer to get your girl, or any girls there to Fall for you.
So start getting Salsa Lessons & work on your Legs. And another thing& I am serious here UA Girls & EE Girls in general, don't like Spicy Food. So No Curry in a Hurry.
Unlike the UK where Curry is now the National Dish, in the Ukraine, girls don't like it, or appreicate. It.
BTW, I enjoy a Curry+Beer or Wine, but not on a Date, or before I shag a girl.
If the girl stays Long Enough with you, then you have (A LIFE PARTNER) , because the girl will feel by then, that she is TRAPPED, too insecure or scared to start on her own again.
Much in the same way Mrs JOJO, feels about me now.
And assuming that you make some Money after your finish your studies, make sure that you Sign The Prenupital Contract with your Wife to be (Dasha or Darina) , otherwise these girls can take you to the cleaners.
Had I signed that damn contract, I would have spent longer time in Pussyland.
Now, Wot do you think?
I thought I would share my story from the other day. I met a girl the week before and somehow we had a connection and she started coming over to hang out. It was fun because we would trade Russian for English and everything she said seemed to stick in my head after taking Pimsleur's 90 lessons. I also f* her every time she dropped by.
Wednesday she comes over and asks me if I would like a threesome with her friend. OK, why not? I asked her what time her friend would come over and she said in a half hour. I clearly ask her one friend right. She said yes, just one friend. Now I get a little nervous because two girls means I am going to loose some control. Already had my laptop hidden and discretely took my IPhone from my jacket and hid it. Doorbell rings and to no surprise two girls show up. Now I have three girls in my apartment and basically lost control. The girls were hard core former River Boat girls, true man eaters. I do no pursue working girls that pass college age. So we negotiate the threesome and head into my bedroom. These girls did not come over to just f* me, they came over to rob me. My sweet little teenie had been eyeing my Iphone every time she came over. As the girls washed up in the bathroom, I unzipped my jacket pockets one inch down. After I was ravaged by the two girls in a 45 minute f* marathon, I immediately noticed the zippers were completely closed on my jacket when I returned. The third girl went through my pockets.
Me thinks they are going to leave. No, not so lucky they hang out and start smoking weed. I did hear my little sweetie ask man eater one "nashole" as we partied away.
what a rambling, semi-coherent, painful-reading and condescending bs nonsense (as usual).
anyway, obviously the fact that the real treasure of fsu is in the freebie scene and that relationships with women can exist without money being the primary motivation seems beyond your comprehension. it sounds like it has been a while since the last time you were with a girl who didn't expect any financial benefice but simply liked you as a person (if that ever happened).bonjour inspector pro.
oui, oui, wee, wee, as it happens i agree with you that it has been a while since i met a girl, who didn't expect any financial benefits from me, and guess why.
because i want girls to need me, and not to like me.
for me, its find them, pay them, fuck them & leave them, and then back to my own bed & space. these are my 4 commandments.
got it monsiour pro?
besides i like helping the hotties 18/24 blondies in kiev & poland by paying them for sex & oral without constraints, so they can put their lovely feet on the property ladder, and contribute to their economies. also i like to make up for the number of times, when i fucked my way & all for free in the former iron curtain countries.
i mean i could be helping the daughters of the moms, that i fucked for free in the old days.
unlike monsiour dominique strauss kahn, the french ex president of the international monetary fund, who likes to get it for free by trying to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) a vulnerable young african maid in a hotel in new york, when she told him non.
i am sure even if strauss kahn ended up in a new york court, his attorney would have put in his defence, that in paris the only options for sex are the cheap african hookers & oldies on rue st denise, and the nasty strip clubs in pigalle, and hence kahn is vulnerable as well, when left on his own with an african maid. too much temptation for the poor sod.
for me fucking african hookers & white oldie ladies on rue st denise paris, is like doing care in the community.
(france has usually been governed by prostitues) mark twain.
i am sure he meant at the time late 18th century, a diiferent class of prostitues then. .
but it seems some things never change in france, lack of comedians & lack of prostitutes.
au revoir.
what a rambling, semi-coherent, painful-reading and condescending bs nonsense (as usual).
anyway, obviously the fact that the real treasure of fsu is in the freebie scene and that relationships with women can exist without money being the primary motivation seems beyond your comprehension. it sounds like it has been a while since the last time you were with a girl who didn't expect any financial benefice but simply liked you as a person (if that ever happened).bonjour inspector pro.
oui, oui, wee, wee, as it happens i agree with you that it has been a while since i met a girl, who didn't expect any financial benefits from me, and guess why.
because i want girls to need me, and not to like me.
for me, its find them, pay them, fuck them & leave them, and then back to my own bed & space. these are my 4 commandments.
got it monsiour pro?
besides i like helping the hotties 18/24 blondies in kiev & poland by paying them for sex & oral without constraints, so they can put their lovely feet on the property ladder, and contribute to their economies. also i like to make up for the number of times, when i fucked my way & all for free in the former iron curtain countries.
i mean i could be helping the daughters of the moms, that i fucked for free in the old days.
unlike monsiour dominique strauss kahn, the french ex president of the international monetary fund, who likes to get it for free by trying to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) a vulnerable young african maid in a hotel in new york, when she told him non.
i am sure even if strauss kahn ended up in a new york court, his attorney would have put in his defence, that in paris the only options for sex are the cheap african hookers & oldies on rue st denise, and the nasty strip clubs in pigalle, and hence kahn is vulnerable as well, when left on his own with an african maid. too much temptation for the poor sod.
for me fucking african hookers & white oldie ladies on rue st denise paris, is like doing care in the community.
(france has usually been governed by prostitues) mark twain.
i am sure he meant at the time late 18th century, a diiferent class of prostitues then. .
but it seems some things never change in france, lack of comedians & lack of prostitutes.
au revoir.
http://dolls-club.com/index.php/home
Saw the url on a street sign today. ;)
Anyone found out any more about this club yet? Near Respublikansky metro apparently, somewhere on red army street.
Hoping "Klub Dolls" will be a genuine rival for Rios with similar pricing and take out. However Moscow version is not highly rated. But Golden Dolls in Riga is a different story!
Should be some discount flyers around town I would think for first few weeks of opening.
What a rambling, semi-coherent, painful-reading and condescending BS nonsense (as usual).
Anyway, obviously the fact that the real treasure of FSU is in the freebie scene and that relationships with women can exist without money being the primary motivation seems beyond your comprehension. It sounds like it has been a while since the last time you were with a girl who didn't expect any financial benefice but simply liked you as a person (if that ever happened).Monsiour PRo. More of one finger Typing, because other hand stroking the leg of a Lady, who has the Hots for anything French, and she is reading this.
She says, why PRO needs to go to FSU for Freebies, when with his Excelent Command of English, he can Do it right here In London? All he needs to do is to hop on a Eurostar Train, or Cheaper still on a Eurolines Bus.
She also says, there are some Great French restaurants in London, including one by the Great French Chef, Alain Ducas.
So here you have The Great Legs Of the English Girls, and they are known for it, Plus some good Frogs Legs for your freebie to try in a French Restaurant, Right here in London.
Unlike in France & Russia, the only thing you won't get here is Horse's Meat. The UK being a nation of Animal Lovers.
The best place to nail Freebies in the UK, is to look for girls, who work for Animal Charities, like The RSPCA, and Battersea Dogs Home.
The girls here make great Freebies, because they have a Heart Of Gold. I mean if they love looking after Animals & all for free, it stands to reason, that they will loveingly do the same to a Lover.
What do you think of this.
For me all of this is no good to me, because I believe Charity begins At Home.
I am mentioning this, due to the Lack Of any useful Input from your goodself into the KIEV Thread.
Bonjour Kiev.
(France Has Usually Been Governed By Prostitues) Mark Twain.
I am sure he meant at the time late 18th century, a diiferent Class of Prostitues then. .
But it seems some things never change in France, Lack Of Comedians & Lack Of Prostitutes.
Au Revoir.Mark Twain Born 1835, 19th century, died Early 20th century. 1910.
Had to make the necessary correction, just in case an Inept Inspector, such as Inspector Jacques Clouseau lurking here, might spot it.
Then he would love to out me, that I Dropped A Clanger, quoting the wrong Century.
Member #4491
03-31-12, 02:04
Finally bough a ticket for April 11. Some days in Kiev and some in Kharkov.
The tedious work of getting some fall back plans has started. Some girls that appears to be normal, and some P4P.
Did any on you meet this (these) girl (girls)? To good to be true?
http://flirt.com.ua/mb694810447/?afolder=dating
She sent this to me some time ago:
"Hello! I live in a center Kiev. I speak in English. Photos my real. There is a beautiful friend. Not salon. A hour s&1079; tands seven hundred griven' it is 90 dollars Ring me +38."
What do you say gents?
Barba.
And where is Bez?I think Bez bailed out after being reprimanded by the Supremo here over an issue with 'political correctness' overtones.
Plus some interminable wrangling with other posters here severely diminished his will to sustain.
Sound familiar, lads?
Horny Monger
03-31-12, 04:18
Hi LJ,
You write good detailed report, which I think is helpful to newbies. I don't think you're shilling despite of the controversy on this board.
It's purely luck. She had just started in this work. I found her by luck in local advertisement in Praha / CZ, but she's from a smaller town. Paulina is as pretty a girl as Amelia and also has a hard body with round shapely ass; I couldn't believe the resemblance. Hot girl like that with that low price and high level of service doesn't come around often and generally doesn't stay in this work for long.
Wow! Out of curiosity, which city / country was this Paulina offering herself for $70 / hour?
You say Paulina is as pretty a girl as Amelia who is in London at 180 GBP? That's pretty low priced for a girl looking that good in London. How did you find Paulina? Amelia remains as one of my ATF's, so I guess that's why I'm curious. (unfortunately the link to Gloria is obsolete but there are plenty of other high level EE hotties on the same agency websites)?
Horny Monger
03-31-12, 04:23
Hi Drgn,
I believe you are capable. My statements are applicable to the general male population without your skills. Obviously, as you've pointed out, you're clear not among them.
Cheers
You know, you are right: 18. 22 year olds are not my target market anymore for several reasons. First, I have a 17 year old niece whom I adore and the creepy / pervy factor goes up when I even consider someone close to her age. Second, I spent several years in "stripper world" which means I was a stripper boyfriend, hung out with strip club owners, went to stripper weddings, stripper birthday parties, hung out with strippers for Thanksgiving, New Years, Christmas, and vacations, etc. Are you getting my point? I'm strippered-OUT. (BTW, my professional career is 180 degrees from that aspect of my social life.) And, third, I prefer a woman with a little more life experience. I'd rather have the 25 year old yoga instructor or the 30 year old ER nurse who runs 5 days a week instead of the 20 year old stripper or student.
Horny Monger
03-31-12, 04:27
You did good. Congratulation.
It's quite a feat for a 'newbies in Kiev such as yourself with no language skills can come to this town and instantly find teen hotties to blow them without a condom and take cum in the mouth. '
Cheers
Hey guys, I have an idea. For the past week I have been having sex with a 19 year old hottie which started at $150 an hour and getting cheaper. Today she brought two of her friends to my place and offered them to me at $150 an hour. Older girls with good performance skills. I just emailed my teeny for permission to pass along her email to my forum colleagues Hunter Dave and LJ who I believe are scheduled to be in town this weekend. Now, if these guys follow up my lead and get cheap sex, they will owe me a number to a girl as soon as they find one that is a value. The contact info will only be passed by pm among us. ISG members that post regularly to Kiev forum and provide a contact to cheap sex and becomes verified can join the circle.
If we work together as a team, there should be no problem for members to fly into Kiev and get the same cheap sex as the locals. I understand the going rate is about 100 an hour but it takes work to find it and a lot of time lost. Boy oh boy, there are a lot of these sex bombs that want to drop into a foreigners apartment, f* his brains and just go home. I witnessed today.
What do you guys think? Please share your thoughts.
CallSign Papa
03-31-12, 06:23
Now it's a sad and lamentable joke. This constant bickering is childish, repetitive and utterly BORING.
If y'all can't comprehend that other guys are going to have different values, beliefs and preferences to your own, you have no right to be mixing in public.
You should be thanking each other that we are all benefitting from this shared knowledge of our favourite EE city. I've learned countless things from this thread that have saved me time and money. I don't see much knowledge sharing lately, just sanctimonious "my way is better than your way" nonsense.
We're all here to share our experiences banging hot girls, let's get back to it.
This used to be the best thread on ISG about two plus years ago. If you think the recent postings have been good you have a low threshold for quality.
If I had known my postings would have released a torrent of (even worse) nonsense I wouldn't have bother but it was sad to see what this thread had become.
Now it's a sad and lamentable joke. This constant bickering is childish, repetitive and utterly BORING.
If why'all can't comprehend that other guys are going to have different values, beliefs and preferences to your own, you have no right to be mixing in public.
You should be thanking each other that we are all benefitting from this shared knowledge of our favourite EE city. I've learned countless things from this thread that have saved me time and money. I don't see much knowledge sharing lately, just sanctimonious "my way is better than your way" nonsense.
We're all here to share our experiences banging hot girls, let's get back to it.
Now it's a sad and lamentable joke. This constant bickering is childish, repetitive and utterly BORING.
If why'all can't comprehend that other guys are going to have different values, beliefs and preferences to your own, you have no right to be mixing in public.
You should be thanking each other that we are all benefitting from this shared knowledge of our favourite EE city. I've learned countless things from this thread that have saved me time and money. I don't see much knowledge sharing lately, just sanctimonious "my way is better than your way" nonsense.
We're all here to share our experiences banging hot girls, let's get back to it.This was the best thread but the River Boat is now gone and guys have to do a lot more leg work and I do not want to trip.
I think Bez bailed out after being reprimanded by the Supremo here over an issue with 'political correctness' overtones.
Plus some interminable wrangling with other posters here severely diminished his will to sustain.
Sound familiar, lads?VG,
I can see where you are coming from. The thing is with Bez, he had a wicked sense of Humor, which was lost on some Posters, or most probably got (Lost In Translation ).
The only issue I had with BEZ at the time, was his constant bashing of River Palace, when in his own words (Never Have, Never WiLL) go to it.
Now a lot of posters are missing its disappearnce.
Political Correctness& Sense of Humor, don't usually go hand in hand.
The best Comedians in the US&UK, and especially in the US, are the ones about Self Depreciation. And there are loads of them. Needless to say the Majority of them ARE?
Even on a Forum like here you need a little bit of Banter & SOH, otherwise its like reading a Clinical Report on getting Laid in Kiev, which can be summerized in Half a Page,
And then what's next.
Most recent example. A new friend gets on here, asking for the best Action with Girls in Kiev, and find a Partner For Life.
He did post, that he is a Student from India, and he is on a Student Visa.
Being a student, would you advise him to go to Buddha Bar, D'Lux, or that (Nasty Club, Called RIO).
I assumed being From India& a student, the best Place for him, would be CARIBIAN Club.
Its a good Place for younger Guys, Students, and its a Place where naturally Tanned Guys feel very much at Ease, and in control.
EE people (Great Majority ok) don't like Spicy Food, or say Indian Food is very True, and I stand corrected on this.
A UA girl would love to be taken to a SUSHI Bar & Restaurant, even if she knows F all about it.
Just to make her look and sound, that she is sophisticated & more Exclusive.
And this will be reflected later on, in the US$$$, she will try to make the Monger part with.
On a good sense of Humor. One of my favourite comedians at the moment, is the Iranian British Comedian, Omid Djalili, who never stops his Jokes about Iran & the Mullahs. & other self depreciation jokes. Yet no one here gives a monkey's wotsit about them.
And his shows in the Uk are normally fully Booked. Omid Djalili Tour Of Duty.
Have you heard this one about the (The Geordie Woman, New Castle, who woke up one morning with a Jamaican Accent?).
Here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkxm5UTe-Xg.
Cheers.
Horny Monger
03-31-12, 18:50
Hi Acolonizer,
Regarding your post earlier about condom sex, you're right condom sex is like wearing a rubber-coat in a shower although most of time I couldn't feel much difference as it didn't delay or prevent me from cumming. In fact, sometimes if I am really horny and got real hard and if I put on a condom, I could cum as soon as I rolled it over the cockhead.
One time I had BBAS, then did ATM to the girl, put back in her for more BBAS and when I pulled it out, I had some shit around the cockhead.
Member #4491
03-31-12, 18:59
We're all here to share our experiences banging hot girls, let's get back to it.Looking at this thread and what many actually post instead of what they claim to post, I unfortunately think you are totally wrong. Men are pathetic in their silly competition and attempt to "win". Fortunately there are just as many females as males, and they are just as lazy as men are silly, so at the end of the day we all end up as winners in the eyes of our own small egos; hence the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) fight is eternal.
Many users that are getting close to 1000 posts are getting annoyed at this site. 500-1000 more and many are logging off for good. There is simply no real reward for helping people here. It is mostly air on all of these pages. I shared contacts with perhaps 25 guys over the years, on top of hundreds of posts filled with facts. Some guys got 10-20 names, pictures and numbers to prime teen punani. TWO guys are sharing details in return. TWO!
Climaxnow had an idea of mongers sharing contact data but soon realized it was not a good one and decided to save his precious findings for his own penis. I can not blame him, because there is simply very little reward in sharing anything here. Except from whatever our egos get out of it, and this wears off fast.
Most people weigh the potential loss of anything higher than the potential gain. I think we have all seen how guys desperately try to protected their class a lazy cum bag that everyone KNOW to be first class wh*re that fuck as much as she can for whatever anyone will pay. Pathetic. Until this protectionistic paranoia goes through some ultra fast evolution, we will be stuck in little facts, many opinions and never ending [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) fight on ISG.
This thread can, with exceptions of the name of clubs and agencies as well as the eminent Google map for beginners, be summed up to:
- It can pay off to go to bars and regular places that are not frequented by tourists.
- It is better to know Russian but can sometimes work also without.
- To pay less than 100 US for sex is better but in some bars, agencies and clubs one needs to pay more.
- It is easier to score in these bars where you pay more but they might not behave like your girlfriend.
Did I forget anything? Oh, yea.
- If you have made contact with girls prior to your landing via social media, it can be easier to to meet these girls, but since they might also be fake it could be a waste of time.
The rest is just opinions.
I guess this can be condensed even further:
- Try to pay less than 100 USD for sex.
- Nothing beats actual field time since anything can happen, just about anywhere.
Ok enough winding from Barba. I will join the silence. LJ, for what it is worth at least I think it is better that you post SOMETHING than all of us posting NOTHING, so keep your essays coming if they make you happy, and let people block you if they are annoyed. I read many of your posts, and it beats both TV and all the opinions people have here.
Over and out from the Kiev thread.
B
AColonizer
03-31-12, 22:52
It can happens. Sex is something "dirty" for its same nature. Sex is a physical contact between two different bodies and immune systems. In other words, each fucking is a little dying.
For your information, I have sex at the same way of most men, in fact if you see pictures throughout this site, then you seldom see condoms, the difference is I go deeper in description. When I get a result, then I increase my experience and I am very grateful to the "prostitute".
The trouble for everybody here is when men don't understand the difference between a real sex and a doll sex. In the second case, men have to get for a refund.
And sex is much more than a pussy fucking. Sex is a part of nature. Sex is not a sin. Sex is in our blood. Sex is also [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) drinking, double fisting, group sex, bondage and anything that excites the libido. And everything is in our blood. For example, when a man begins to fuck also a female asshole, then he likes more the asshole than the pussy.
Hi Acolonizer,
Regarding your post earlier about condom sex, you're right condom sex is like wearing a rubber-coat in a shower although most of time I couldn't feel much difference as it didn't delay or prevent me from cumming. In fact, sometimes if I am really horny and got real hard and if I put on a condom, I could cum as soon as I rolled it over the cockhead.
One time I had BBAS, then did ATM to the girl, put back in her for more BBAS and when I pulled it out, I had some shit around the cockhead.
Barba,
I agree with everything, except where you write something is better than nothing.
It's like TV, do you like a TV with static and white snow or off? Personally I'd rather throw a brick through it, unless I need a night light.
I've helped out quite a few ISG members while they were in Kiev. I'm not talking about being a wingman. I'm talking about giving them the guided tour and hooking them up with girls.
I've made one good friend out of meeting people from ISG, Irish Lad. I've also met 109, Dr Skank, and another fellow who's ISG name I can't remember (banker something something) who gave as good as they got and would even sometimes enlighten the master. I've met Uke Boy who is a never ending source of information about Ukrainian culture and mindset.
I think Irish Lad used to run a ISG halfway house in Kiev. He's like a beacon for the sad and lonely (and short on funds, what? I have to pay for my drinks? And the drinks of the four ho's I got drinks for too?). :D
I'm leaving Kiev Tuesday morning and heading back to the wh=====, slu== and good girls of the US.
It's a salon and the photos probably aren't real.
Could the girls there be just as good looking as the photos or better. Maybe but probably not.
Finally bough a ticket for April 11. Some days in Kiev and some in Kharkov.
The tedious work of getting some fall back plans has started. Some girls that appears to be normal, and some P4P.
Did any on you meet this (these) girl (girls)? To good to be true?
http://flirt.com.ua/mb694810447/?afolder=dating
She sent this to me some time ago:
"Hello! I live in a center Kiev. I speak in English. Photos my real. There is a beautiful friend. Not salon. A hour s&1079; tands seven hundred griven' it is 90 dollars Ring me +38."
What do you say gents?
Barba.
AdultChris69
04-01-12, 08:44
Hi guys.
I will be visiting Kiev for the first time starting from 05 April for a couple of days.
Looking back at similar trips it turned out to be better if there is a group of guys going out for hunting together so if anybody is interested to join me for a drink (or two) contact me.
Regards,
Chris
Member #4491
04-01-12, 11:52
Barba's silence was short.
Maybe you are right Cruiser. I threw out my TV a long time ago so I can not remember. Thank you for the advice on the profile. After spending some more hours on these sites, it seems that it is not rocket science to weed out the agencies from the real girls. Once really busty (semi fake) blond has sent me a bunch of sexy pictures, while giggling on the cam. Huge tits and a pussy that will suck me in when I dive down to lick her. I am sure she is a first class hoe despite what she writes me, but she is there and for real.
I have attention from some girls that I do not really consider targets in normal cases, even if they are in their lower twenties. Fuckable after 4 gin and tonics, but maybe not in punani heaven. They seem to be normal girls but naturally short of money. My dick says "keep them on the radar as fall back" while my brain says "Barba you know that once you are there you will have much more interesting things to do than the mercy fucks". These girls are often good and grateful in bed, if one can see beyond the fact that they are 5-6 on a scale to 10. And sometimes they have pretty friends, at least in other parts of the world. How do you guys (with some game) go about it? Sort out the semi fuglies directly or consider them a required fall back for days when Ukraine just can not entertain you properly?
I used the help of SpanishMain in Marbella, and a guide saves time. I am always low on time so anyone that wants to guide me to some good apartments and some good clubs (apart from the obvious ones) , are welcome to PM me. Let me know the guide fee so we avoid surprises. Washed out hard core hookers are less interesting than my right hand. I never go above 21-22 in the Philippines and 18-19 is the normality, so there should preferably be a documented history of at least a couple of girls somewhere in the lower twenties if we visit some fine Ukrainian drinking establishment. Who knows, it might even be fun.
B.
for whatever its worth, i thought rather than talking about it, i practice what i preach, by posting some info, which might come in handy for a beginner, who is heading to kiev for the first time to monger.
1 the first obvious thing to do before getting there, is to hit www.mamba.com.ua, or www.flirt.com.ua.
get as many names & phone numbers as possible, and arrange as many meetings, as possible.
bear in mind a lot of them, won't show up.
on the above, its a mixed bag of pros, semi pros, non pros, financially embarrassed students, or just lurkers.
to get the best out of it, lower your expectations, and you won't be disappointed.
2. try to arrange a kind of speed dating the girls that you have lined up, so you don't waste time.
i wouldn't arrange a dinner date for eg, with anyone in particular on the first night.
3. be bold about it, tell them, that you are meeting others as well before making your mind up.
best place for this, would be in a bar, or coffee shop near your place.
the cheapest place would be the lobby of a hotel, then you don't even need to buy a drink. (a cheap charlie date ). and you can always walk out of the many doors in there. hotel ukraine, is perfect for this. right in the centre. they even have a strip club, so no need to go to rio club. but i am sure the club in hotel ukraine will disappoint you.
3. once in kiev, you can use the above sites as well as www.escorts-models/en-ukraine, or www.top-modals.com for outcalls at your place, or incalls at their apartments.
ones who turn up at your place, and not up to your liking, send them away with a taxi fare 50uah, so you stay on their good books, and you ensure a better supply in the future.
many of the girls work for different agencies, and even if they are independent, they do have other profiles & prices.
4 if you do a list of girls working incall in their apartments, or in salons, the best & safest way to do it, is to speed check them all. and the best way to go about it, is to get a taxi driver from an offical taxi company to drive you there & wait for you, whilst you are checking them.
get the addresses of the apartments from the above sources, and phone up a taxi company.
i used this one bocc taxi. kiev www.taxi-kiev.com.ua/taxi-boss.html.
site in english, and they do have english speaking dispatchers.
you tell them where you want to go, and they do a pre quote for you. so you know how much to pay for the driver. even if the taxi is waiting for you, you won't be ripped off, because its showing on the meter as waiting time. and the taxi office will confirm it. the driver can't cheat you.
the fare is low, you can do a lot for almost nothing compared to the west.
5. i don't take taxis hanging around clubs, or outside hotels, or parked on the street. mafia taxi.
6, saunas such as www.rakeuna.com.ua or roksolana-massage. com. ua, are very good & safe.
its good source for a happy ending + much more if you hit with the girl, later on.
best times to go there is on weekends & holidays, when a lot of students are working there.
and if you do nail a student there, the last thing you want to do, get on here and out her, by giving her name, or recealing her i'd.
7 if you are bold enough (just mingle) by meeting girls on your own. which is certainly a good idea, but if you are worried about the lingo& the language barrier. just try to hang out in places among ex-pats and english speaking local girls. such as, the following.
obrien's irish pub 17 mykhaylivska, on the way to roksolana massage. few minutes from independence square. some semi pros frequent the above as well, at much lower prices, which is only reflected in cheaper clothes & make up. they are not posers.
golden gate pub.
arena, bar & coffee shop, restaurant, is a good place to hook up with all sorts of girls, including, pros &semi pros, as well as wanabe hookers.
8 clubs, apart from the usual suspects here for tourists, there are the following as well.
eric's friends club, caribean, arena club. patiba.
when the weather is nice go to idro by the dnipro, but you need some russian, or a russian speaking friend.
live music clubs 44 on khreschatick, as well as docker's abc on the same street.
the obvious clubs albiet at a price, buddha, d'lux, avalon. high price girls.
shooters don't tolerate hookers. guys with dark skin, might not be welcome there, subject to face control at the door.
for any one looking to do the club scene with a a nice female guide at night, & to make sure of entry to the clubs, try this one for some nice looking female guides.
kievmentours. com.
you can pick the girl guide of your choince. you never know? . you might even get her to end up in your bed, like (asian chaos) did with his guide. btw, where is asian chaos.
few years back there was this for speed dating, in kiev. 2play. net. ua.
i don't know if its still going. but its a sure way of speeding things up. .
if you are looking for a good place to take a date to, this one is good, on www.cityguide.com/topic/kiev/page/75.
xata rabata on the other side of the dnipro river. great for seafood, and next to tixiomut strip club. .
and guess wot, on here if you are nostalgic to the good old days of the kiev thread, you will find it, complete with bez .www.cityguide.com/topic/kiev/page/75.
was it better in the old days, or the best is still to come.
now why in the fuck did i post all of the above?
a. half pissed already at my usual table in my local watering hole.
cheers folks including prosal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjdq9UZikBI&feature=player_profilepage
Euro 2012 accommodation prices
Barba,
I agree with everything, except where you write something is better than nothing.
It's like TV, do you like a TV with static and white snow or off? Personally I'd rather throw a brick through it, unless I need a night light.
I've helped out quite a few ISG members while they were in Kiev. I'm not talking about being a wingman. I'm talking about giving them the guided tour and hooking them up with girls.
I've made one good friend out of meeting people from ISG, Irish Lad. I've also met 109, Dr Skank, and another fellow who's ISG name I can't remember (banker something something) who gave as good as they got and would even sometimes enlighten the master. I've met Uke Boy who is a never ending source of information about Ukrainian culture and mindset.
I think Irish Lad used to run a ISG halfway house in Kiev. He's like a beacon for the sad and lonely (and short on funds, what? I have to pay for my drinks? And the drinks of the four ho's I got drinks for too?). .
I'm leaving Kiev Tuesday morning and heading back to the wh=====, slu== and good girls of the US.CD. Now you are breaking news, by telling us, that you are heading back to the good girls of the us.
Couldn't agree more, old chap. Great girls, so much fun (they beat your moustached girls in Tashkent, LOL. I don't even know how you can kiss uzbek girls?), and if you nail a great looker, who is bi, then its not just company, its a blast of a party.
I am just waiting for the weather to warm up & then I am heading to dc, and josphene club, to hook up with my ac / dc girl in there, and then we will be heading to the pool parties in vegas.
The best place for me 4 fun, depending on when, where & who with.
I don't need to go round there looking at girls with an open mouth, like I do on Kreschatick, waiting to be shilled.
BTW. If you stop in london? I will be at my usual table in a bar in chelsea, then I will put my money, where my mouth is, and treat you to a snakebite & good old fish & chips.
That's right chips. I got to the stage, where I can't bring myself to say "french fries".
Even when I go back to Kiev, I will greet ua girls by bowing to them & getting the girls to do the same. No more french kissing, greeting them the japanese way. Healthier.
Ps. I don't expect anything from you in return & I promise not to grill you about your list of apartments in Kiev, or any phone numbers or referrals to ua girls.
Now how does thing grab you.
Till we meet again, don't know when, don't know where.
So long CD, and tatty bye.
I.
And sex is much more than a pussy fucking. Sex is a part of nature. Sex is not a sin. Sex is in our blood. Sex is also [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) drinking, double fisting, group sex, bondage and anything that excites the libido. And everything is in our blood. For example, when a man begins to fuck also a female asshole, then he likes more the asshole than the pussy.Buona Sera, Acol.
You know I agree with you, except with the above Fetishes of yours.
[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) drinking. Actually I prefer to drink wine or beer.
Bondage. I am already tied up 4 Life.
Double fisting on a girl. Not for me. I am looking for a girl, to say "Ouch it hurts" when I even try to stick my little Finger in her.
If you can stand the shit from the female's asshole? , then she can stand your pain.
Keep doing it all the time, then even the female will like it .
But who wants to spend such a long time in a ahithole.
Ciao
Buona Sera, Acol.
You know I agree with you, except with the above Fetishes of yours.
[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) drinking. Actually I prefer to drink wine or beer.
Bondage. I am already tied up 4 Life.
Double fisting on a girl. Not for me. I am looking for a girl, to say "Ouch it hurts" when I even try to stick my little Finger in her.
If you can stand the shit from the female's asshole? , then she can stand your pain.
Keep doing it all the time, then even the female will like it.
But who wants to spend such a long time in a Shithole?
CiaoAnd I bet you are a Great Foodie as well.
Can you give us a Good Recipe for Penis alla Ass iata?
for whatever its worth, i thought rather than talking about it, i practice what i preach, by posting some info, which might come in handy for a beginner, who is heading to kiev for the first time to monger.
1 the first obvious thing to do before getting there, is to hit.
www.mamba.com.ua
or.
www.flirt.com.ua
get as many names & phone numbers as possible, and arrange as many meetings, as possible.
bear in mind a lot of them, won't show up.
on the above, its a mixed bag of pros, semi pros, non pros, financially embarrassed students, or just lurkers.
to get the best out of it, lower your expectations, and you won't be disappointed.
2. try to arrange a kind of speed dating the girls that you have lined up, so you don't waste time.
i wouldn't arrange a dinner date for eg, with anyone in particular on the first night.
3. be bold about it, tell them, that you are meeting others as well before making your mind up.
best place for this, would be in a bar, or coffee shop near your place.
the cheapest place would be the lobby of a hotel, then you don't even need to buy a drink. (a cheap charlie date ). and you can always walk out of the many doors in there. hotel ukraine, is perfect for this. right in the centre. they even have a strip club, so no need to go to rio club. but i am sure the club in hotel ukraine will disappoint you.
3. once in kiev, you can use the above sites as well as.
www.escorts-models/en-ukraine
, or.
www.top-modals.com
for outcalls at your place, or incalls at their apartments.
ones who turn up at your place, and not up to your liking, send them away with a taxi fare 50uah, so you stay on their good books, and you ensure a better supply in the future.
many of the girls work for different agencies, and even if they are independent, they do have other profiles & prices.
4 if you do a list of girls working incall in their apartments, or in salons, the best & safest way to do it, is to speed check them all. and the best way to go about it, is to get a taxi driver from an offical taxi company to drive you there & wait for you, whilst you are checking them.
get the addresses of the apartments from the above sources, and phone up a taxi company.
i used this one bocc taxi. kiev.
www.taxi-kiev.com.ua/taxi-boss.html.
site in english, and they do have english speaking dispatchers.
you tell them where you want to go, and they do a pre quote for you. so you know how much to pay for the driver. even if the taxi is waiting for you, you won't be ripped off, because its showing on the meter as waiting time. and the taxi office will confirm it. the driver can't cheat you.
the fare is low, you can do a lot for almost nothing compared to the west.
5. i don't take taxis hanging around clubs, or outside hotels, or parked on the street. mafia taxi.
6, saunas such as.
www.rakeuna.com.ua
or roksolana-massage. com. ua, are very good & safe.
its good source for a happy ending + much more if you hit with the girl, later on.
best times to go there is on weekends & holidays, when a lot of students are working there.
and if you do nail a student there, the last thing you want to do, get on here and out her, by giving her name, or recealing her i'd.
7 if you are bold enough (just mingle) by meeting girls on your own. which is certainly a good idea, but if you are worried about the lingo& the language barrier. just try to hang out in places among ex-pats and english speaking local girls. such as, the following.
obrien's irish pub 17 mykhaylivska, on the way to roksolana massage. few minutes from independence square. some semi pros frequent the above as well, at much lower prices, which is only reflected in cheaper clothes & make up. they are not posers.
golden gate pub.
arena, bar & coffee shop, restaurant, is a good place to hook up with all sorts of girls, including, pros &semi pros, as well as wanabe hookers.
8 clubs, apart from the usual suspects here for tourists, there are the following as well.
eric's friends club, caribean, arena club. patiba.
when the weather is nice go to idro by the dnipro, but you need some russian, or a russian speaking friend.
live music clubs 44 on khreschatick, as well as docker's abc on the same street.
the obvious clubs albiet at a price, buddha, d'lux, avalon. high price girls.
shooters don't tolerate hookers. guys with dark skin, might not be welcome there, subject to face control at the door.
for any one looking to do the club scene with a a nice female guide at night, & to make sure of entry to the clubs, try this one for some nice looking female guides.
kievmentours. com.
you can pick the girl guide of your choince. you never know? . you might even get her to end up in your bed, like (asian chaos) did with his guide. btw, where is asian chaos.
few years back there was this for speed dating, in kiev. 2play. net. ua.
i don't know if its still going. but its a sure way of speeding things up. .
if you are looking for a good place to take a date to, this one is good, on.
www.cityguide.com/topic/kiev/page/75.
xata rabata on the other side of the dnipro river. great for seafood, and next to tixiomut strip club. .
and guess wot, on here if you are nostalgic to the good old days of the kiev thread, you will find it, complete with bez.
.www.cityguide.com/topic/kiev/page/75
was it better in the old days, or the best is still to come.
now why in the fuck did i post all of the above?
a. half pissed already at my usual table in my local watering hole.
cheers folks including prosal.this is quite handy as well, for survival & adult entertainment in kiev.
www.inyourpocket.com/ukraine and www.inyourpocket.com/ukraine/kyiv/nightlife/adultentertainment.
you will find a list of strip clubs, massages, bars etc. in there. '
the one below, for anyone looking for a female guide.
www.kievmentours.com female guides etc.
i found it useful to have a copy of lonely planet book on ukraine & kiev, the first time i landed there. it takes you step by step there, and you can find your way there very much on your own.
plus russian words phrases / english.
feel free to add to the above.
i will also try and locate monger jojo's red book & out some girls, from the previous mongering season
but this will be by invitation only. need to get their permission first. i mean they could be moms, by now, or in a more sensitive occupation.
that's it i am done for the day.
but am sure some new lazy bugger will show up here one day, asking the same questions all over again.
for whatever its worth, i thought rather than talking about it, i practice what i preach, by posting some info, which might come in handy for a beginner, who is heading to kiev for the first time to monger.
1 the first obvious thing to do before getting there, is to hit.
www.mamba.com.ua
, or.
www.flirt.com.ua
get as many names & phone numbers as possible, and arrange as many meetings, as possible.
bear in mind a lot of them, won't show up.
on the above, its a mixed bag of pros, semi pros, non pros, financially embarrassed students, or just lurkers.
to get the best out of it, lower your expectations, and you won't be disappointed.
2. try to arrange a kind of speed dating the girls that you have lined up, so you don't waste time.
i wouldn't arrange a dinner date for eg, with anyone in particular on the first night.
3. be bold about it, tell them, that you are meeting others as well before making your mind up.
best place for this, would be in a bar, or coffee shop near your place.
the cheapest place would be the lobby of a hotel, then you don't even need to buy a drink. (a cheap charlie date ). and you can always walk out of the many doors in there. hotel ukraine, is perfect for this. right in the centre. they even have a strip club, so no need to go to rio club. but i am sure the club in hotel ukraine will disappoint you.
3. once in kiev, you can use the above sites as well as.
www.escorts-models/en-ukraine
, or.
www.top-modals.com
for outcalls at your place, or incalls at their apartments.
ones who turn up at your place, and not up to your liking, send them away with a taxi fare 50uah, so you stay on their good books, and you ensure a better supply in the future.
many of the girls work for different agencies, and even if they are independent, they do have other profiles & prices.
4 if you do a list of girls working incall in their apartments, or in salons, the best & safest way to do it, is to speed check them all. and the best way to go about it, is to get a taxi driver from an offical taxi company to drive you there & wait for you, whilst you are checking them.
get the addresses of the apartments from the above sources, and phone up a taxi company.
i used this one bocc taxi. kiev.
www.taxi-kiev.com.ua/taxi-boss.html.
site in english, and they do have english speaking dispatchers.
you tell them where you want to go, and they do a pre quote for you. so you know how much to pay for the driver. even if the taxi is waiting for you, you won't be ripped off, because its showing on the meter as waiting time. and the taxi office will confirm it. the driver can't cheat you.
the fare is low, you can do a lot for almost nothing compared to the west.
5. i don't take taxis hanging around clubs, or outside hotels, or parked on the street. mafia taxi.
6, saunas such as.
www.rakeuna.com.ua
or roksolana-massage. com. ua, are very good & safe.
its good source for a happy ending + much more if you hit with the girl, later on.
best times to go there is on weekends & holidays, when a lot of students are working there.
and if you do nail a student there, the last thing you want to do, get on here and out her, by giving her name, or recealing her i'd.
7 if you are bold enough (just mingle) by meeting girls on your own. which is certainly a good idea, but if you are worried about the lingo& the language barrier. just try to hang out in places among ex-pats and english speaking local girls. such as, the following.
obrien's irish pub 17 mykhaylivska, on the way to roksolana massage. few minutes from independence square. some semi pros frequent the above as well, at much lower prices, which is only reflected in cheaper clothes & make up. they are not posers.
golden gate pub.
arena, bar & coffee shop, restaurant, is a good place to hook up with all sorts of girls, including, pros &semi pros, as well as wanabe hookers.
8 clubs, apart from the usual suspects here for tourists, there are the following as well.
eric's friends club, caribean, arena club. patiba.
when the weather is nice go to idro by the dnipro, but you need some russian, or a russian speaking friend.
live music clubs 44 on khreschatick, as well as docker's abc on the same street.
the obvious clubs albiet at a price, buddha, d'lux, avalon. high price girls.
shooters don't tolerate hookers. guys with dark skin, might not be welcome there, subject to face control at the door.
for any one looking to do the club scene with a a nice female guide at night, & to make sure of entry to the clubs, try this one for some nice looking female guides.
kievmentours. com.
you can pick the girl guide of your choince. you never know? . you might even get her to end up in your bed, like (asian chaos) did with his guide. btw, where is asian chaos.
few years back there was this for speed dating, in kiev. 2play. net. ua.
i don't know if its still going. but its a sure way of speeding things up. .
if you are looking for a good place to take a date to, this one is good, on.
www.cityguide.com/topic/kiev/page/75.
xata rabata on the other side of the dnipro river. great for seafood, and next to tixiomut strip club. .
and guess wot, on here if you are nostalgic to the good old days of the kiev thread, you will find it, complete with bez.
.www.cityguide.com/topic/kiev/page/75
was it better in the old days, or the best is still to come.
now why in the fuck did i post all of the above?
a. half pissed already at my usual table in my local watering hole.
cheers folks including prosal.this is quite handy as well, for survival & adult entertainment in kiev.
www.inyourpocket.com/ukraine and www.inyourpocket.com/ukraine/kyiv/nightlife/adultentertainment.
you will find a list of strip clubs, massages, bars etc. in there. '
the one below, for anyone looking for a female guide.
www.kievmentours.com female guides etc.
i found it useful to have a copy of lonely planet book on ukraine & kiev, the first time i landed there. it takes you step by step there, and you can find your way there very much on your own.
plus russian words phrases / english.
feel free to add to the above.
i will also try and locate monger jojo's red book & out some girls.
Jojo, umm yeah, sure.
Bar, I don't offer professional guided tours, if I like you I might meet you. More than likely I won't be in Kiev again for a good 6 months.
To the poor guy going to Kiev on Easter weekend. Dude you are screwed. I don't think is more of a time in Kiev that is a black hole of nothingness. Set something up the night before Easter because the clubs will be empty.
Jojo, umm yeah, sure.
Bar, I don't offer professional guided tours, if I like you I might meet you. More than likely I won't be in Kiev again for a good 6 months.
To the poor guy going to Kiev on Easter weekend. Dude you are screwed. I don't think is more of a time in Kiev that is a black hole of nothingness. Set something up the night before Easter because the clubs will be empty..
Ok. The bar Invite won't work on you. How about a ticket to see This Iranian guy on Stage in London.
My treat as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYOI5K8E7WQ
A Black Hole of Nothingness, is better than No Hole at all.
He should be thankful for any hole, he can find over Easter.
Jojo, umm yeah, sure.
Bar, I don't offer professional guided tours, if I like you I might meet you. More than likely I won't be in Kiev again for a good 6 months.
To the poor guy going to Kiev on Easter weekend. Dude you are screwed. I don't think is more of a time in Kiev that is a black hole of nothingness. Set something up the night before Easter because the clubs will be empty..
Ok. The bar Invite won't work on you. How about a ticket to see This Iranian guy on Stage in London.
My treat as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYOI5K8E7WQ
A Black Hole of Nothingness, is better than No Hole at all.
He should be thankful for any hole, he can find over Easter.
Great girls, so much fun (they beat your moustached girls in Tashkent, LOL. I don't even know how you can kiss uzbek girls?Hum. FYI:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1039-Tashkent&p=789600&viewfull=1#post789600
I don't know why I even bother to answer to such raving BS nonsense. As says the famous adage,"never argue with a fool, he will drag you down to his level and then beat you by experience".
AColonizer
04-02-12, 02:16
Kidding or not kidding, the question is different.
About P4P: if a man pays a woman to get sex or, better, what he wants, it doesn't matter what the woman thinks or feels or dramatizes, and the first person who knows that is just the woman! Otherwise that woman will manipulate the man! This is the rule of the history of thousands of years.
About marriage: I have to remind audience here what was the type of relationship between a husband and a wife until thirty years ago. First of all, the marriage was a social obligation imposed by a religion. Husbands commanded wives and wives did what husbands wanted, otherwise husbands kicked them out home. And the system worked because both behaviors were derived from nature.
In fact, also today, I don't know any woman who actually loves a honest and selfless man.
About sexual performances: I don't need any comment because I know the reality. All the rest are just fairy tales for mammoni.
Buona Sera, Acol.
You know I agree with you, except with the above Fetishes of yours.
[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) drinking. Actually I prefer to drink wine or beer.
Bondage. I am already tied up 4 Life.
Double fisting on a girl. Not for me. I am looking for a girl, to say "Ouch it hurts" when I even try to stick my little Finger in her.
If you can stand the shit from the female's asshole? , then she can stand your pain.
Keep doing it all the time, then even the female will like it.
But who wants to spend such a long time in a ahithole.
Ciao
Member #4491
04-02-12, 02:19
Hats off for Jojosun! No pro guide needed. Jojosun's crash course to Kiev will keep me busy. Much appreciated, mate! I owe you. I will keep even the fat ones on the radar. Cruiser D, I never go to US, but sometimes a bit more south so let's see if we hook up somewhere sometime. I am sure it will be fun to share some beers. First round on me. Never had any bad experiences with ISG mongers I met previously, and made a couple of really good friends here. If any of you contributors are going to chase provincial innocent teen punani in the south of the promised land of the Philippines, you are welcome to call upon Barba. When you exit the airplane you are Brad Pit, but the real gems down there require a little network (just like everywhere).
B.
RomanyStar
04-02-12, 04:05
First the information, that I either missed seeing here, or it hasn't surfaced. My guide while in Kiev was one of those under stress to finish the school year early. She explained to me the reason they are doing this is the dorms will be turned into rental rooms for the crowds expected for Euro 2012. A good percentage of the students are being sent away for the entire month. Seems like a very good chance that this will lead to a significant drop in supply coupled with a huge increase in demand.
OK, after two weeks away from Kiev, I am afraid I may have to repeat. I was warned about the addictive quality of the women, and they did leave me wanting more. If I do, I will stay at least two weeks, as my internal clock had an awful time with my short stay. I will have to be more budget minded. My question is about timing. I want to be there at a time when the girl to guy ratio will be optimal, and when my dollars would stretch farthest. Traveling off season is always cheaper, so when do you experienced old hands find to be the best time to visit? My thought is might the girls be trying to put away more money just before Christmas?
More than one of my student girls told me the same thing about the dorms. They told me they were getting the boot in June. The school year is pretty much over by the end of May with a few finals in June. Not much of a big deal.
http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/index.html
08/06/2012
EURO kicks off in Warsaw
01/07/2012
EURO final in Kyiv
The best time to be in Kiev is without a doubt May and / or September. This May may (pun intended) be a special case due to the ramp up to Euro 2012.
First the information
DoctorOral
04-02-12, 08:47
I have a special request and maybe someone can PM me a ood contact. Looking for fun (blonde) skinny girl with 0/1 tits. Anyone?
Today is a sad day because it is the last day of my Kiev trip. Today is a beautiful day because I found a path that brings new life to my world of dating and sex.
Before I share my failures and success of Kiev, I would like to mention my appreciation of the forum and all its contributors. I started reading the forum about 5 years ago when my dating life noticeably went into decline. I am over 40 now and sex in America with twenty somethings became just about impossible. I did not have the time to travel back then but the chatting among members filled me with spirit and hope that I was not trapped in some kind of pussy desert. Things are different now, construction boom is over and I have all the time in the world. This thread actually means something to me. I realize the quality of the posts are not on par with those of years past. The prostitute depot is no longer with us in Kiev and that venue attracted many mongers with stories to share. I think its best to encourage reports on whatever we can find in this town. You never know who could turn out to be the new Skank on the thread.
I was going to write a simple beginners guide but JoJo beat me to it. Just read his recent post if your planning a first trip to Kiev. I came to Kiev with three goals. Cheap sex, amateur sex, free sex. I succeeded in cheap sex, but a monkey with Benjamin Franklin could fly into town and do the same. Do not worry about over spending in the beginning, once you are plugged into some prostitute cliques, it basically becomes pros coming over and f* you for a 100 an hour.
I failed at finding amateur sex. This is my favorite p4p and it did not come my way. Probably my own fault because I loved hanging out at D'lux and it was not to be found on the dance floor. Next time I will make a stronger effort to visit more clubs.
Free sex was another failure. But once again clearly my own fault. I could have crossed the threshold if I would have pursued some plain janes that came my way. But I was consumed by the stunners and did want to settle. Next time I will probably lower my standards just to strengthen my cultural and social understandings of Ukranian women.
I had a good understanding of Ukranian women before I came here and nothing has changed my views and stereotypes. Quite the variety of women here. Many vipers and many beautiful women outside and in. One thing did surprise me. Women in Kiev nightclubs immediately go on defense with foreigners. Something I did not see in Moscow with Russians. They will look at you one time and never look back. I had women return to the dance floor to dance next to me but would not return eye contact. I think its because they do not want to cross the line and possibly make themselves appear to be a working girl. I am without a doubt that defense would quickly fall if a girl regularly saw you.
My new goal is to return in May and fix my two failures.
Ronaldinjo
04-02-12, 12:20
More than one of my student girls told me the same thing about the dorms. They told me they were getting the boot in June. The school year is pretty much over by the end of May with a few finals in June. Not much of a big deal.
http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/index.html
08/06/2012.
EURO kicks off in Warsaw.
01/07/2012.
EURO final in Kyiv.
The best time to be in Kiev is without a doubt May and / or September. This May may (pun intended) be a special case due to the ramp up to Euro 2012.Sorry cruizer, didn't exactly understand you. Is this may and April going to be hot or less available girls due to euro?
AdultChris69
04-02-12, 17:44
Thank you very much for this great report.
I will be in Kiev for the first time starting Thursday so this is just perfectly timed.
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1264139]For whatever its worth, I thought rather than talking about it, I practice what I preach, by posting some info, which might come in handy for a Beginner, who is heading to Kiev for the first time to Monger.
Without a doubt for me your best bet is Sept. Especially for inexperienced Ukrainian travellers.
Lots of new studentkii flesh and weather is perfect. May is great too, so many pissed girls at graduation parties May and June but the freshers are wide eyed in Sept and in need of cash!
Without a doubt for me your best bet is Sept. Especially for inexperienced Ukrainian travellers.
Lots of new studentkii flesh and weather is perfect. May is great too, so many pissed girls at graduation parties May and June but the freshers are wide eyed in Sept and in need of cash!Sept is best bet in so many cities all over the world, and more so as The Knight Of Kiev, says in KIEV.
I do recall a party Atomsphere on Independence Square, with some bands playing, and tanned blondes, who seem just back from their Summer Holidays.
Best time to Pick & Choose, and to be Picked up as well, and not necessarly by a hooker.
I am talking from experience here, Second day in Kiev, and on Kreschatick got chatting to a 20 something, who offered to show me around Kiev, and especially the Metro.
Unfortunately she didn't drink and she didn't like clubbing, so I had to let her go, because she wasn't a Pro, or Semi Pro, as I was hoping for.
And at my age, I should have been Thankful, but not for me, even though she was low maintenance.
Kidding or not kidding, the question is different.
About P4P: if a man pays a woman to get sex or, better, what he wants, it doesn't matter what the woman thinks or feels or dramatizes, and the first person who knows that is just the woman! Otherwise that woman will manipulate the man! This is the rule of the history of thousands of years.
About marriage: I have to remind audience here what was the type of relationship between a husband and a wife until thirty years ago. First of all, the marriage was a social obligation imposed by a religion. Husbands commanded wives and wives did what husbands wanted, otherwise husbands kicked them out home. And the system worked because both behaviors were derived from nature.
In fact, also today, I don't know any woman who actually loves a honest and selfless man.
About sexual performances: I don't need any comment because I know the reality. All the rest are just fairy tales for mammoni.Acolonizer.
You know something? The more I read your posts, the more they make sense to me.
And I am one of your Audience, and have been for 3 years now. That's why I reply to you.
I treat women who end up in bed with me, as conquests to be used at a price, but not to be abused.
Treat Them Mean, Keep Them Keen.
Acol. Its the same the World over, Its the Bastards who get the Pleasure, and its the honest who get the Blame.
Now have you got a Good Pasta Recipe for Pre mongering.
Ciao
Hum. FYI:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1039-Tashkent&p=789600&viewfull=1#post789600
I don't know why I even bother to answer to such raving BS nonsense. As says the famous adage,"never argue with a fool, he will drag you down to his level and then beat you by experience".Bonjour Prosal.
You know I don't know, why you get so "Hot Under The Collar".
Calm down Dear, Calm down. After all, its only a Pussy, isn't it/
Why should we start the Mother of all F rants, just because I said to CD, that Tashkent girls Got Moustaches.
Ok, I have never been to Tashkent, but like I posted on the Kiev thread, I am not a newbie to EE countries.
I tell you this true Experience about Russian Women & a lot of EE women in general before the Berlin Wall came down. I was in Karlovy Vary in former Czechoslovakia, and in the Spas, there were hordes of Russian women & Other E E women, who had really Hairy Armpits. Being in my 20s, I have never seen anything like it in western Countries.
Then I went to Dubrovnik, former Yugoslavia, and on the beaches, not only Hairy Armpits& legs, there were some girls, dark haird ones with moustaches as well. .
I found this to be really a big turn off, to have Armpits with full Bushes & moustaches as well.
And you should have seen the state of their teeth. Their men folk even worse
My cousin who was with US Military in Germany at The time, used to joke about it, by asking " What do women who are snipers in the Soviet Military use as Camouflage.
A. Their Armpits.
But of course the original joke, was told on Women Snipers in the French Military.
Now I see why you get " Hot Under The Collar ".
My Apologies, if you didn't appreciate the comments made in light hearted banter, which only confirms what I posted, that France need more comedians
After all, its only a Pussy we are talking about.
Bonsoir.
Is there a good translator app for smartphones? Russian to english
Is there a good translator app for smartphones? Russian to englishI just got an iPhone 4s and the Google Translate application is great! It has the voice feature where you can speak a phrase or short sentence and it will automatically translate what you said from English to many other languages and vice versa. Very cute. And very useful. No need to type in, so it's much faster to use while interacting with the devushka of your choice.
This is a special application, and is not the same as navigating to Google on the Internet and then going to their Google Translate page, which doesn't have the voice feature other than for playback, I. E. You can't speak into it, but you can get a playback of what was translated after you typed something in.
I don't know if this is the same app TheKnight once showed me sometime last year.
Did you try searching in the App Store for your smart phone?
Bonjour Prosal.
You know I don't know, why you get so "Hot Under The Collar".
Calm down Dear, Calm down. After all, its only a Pussy, isn't it?
Why should we start the Mother of all F rants, just because I said to CD, that Tashkent girls Got Moustaches.
Ok, I have never been to Tashkent, but like I posted on the Kiev thread, I am not a newbie to EE countries.
I tell you this true Experience about Russian Women & a lot of EE women in general before the Berlin Wall came down. I was in Karlovy Vary in former Czechoslovakia, and in the Spas, there were hordes of Russian women & Other E E women, who had really Hairy Armpits. Being in my 20s, I have never seen anything like it in western Countries.
Then I went to Dubrovnik, former Yugoslavia, and on the beaches, not only Hairy Armpits& legs, there were some girls, dark haired ones with moustaches as well. .
I found this to be really a big turn off, to have Armpits with full Bushes & moustaches as well.
And you should have seen the state of their teeth. Their men folk even worse
My cousin who was with US Military in Germany at The time, used to joke about it, by asking " What do women who are snipers in the Soviet Military use as Camouflage?
A. Their Armpits.
But of course the original joke, was told on Women Snipers in the French Military.
Now I see why you get " Hot Under The Collar ".
My Apologies, if you didn't appreciate the comments made in light hearted banter, which only confirms what I posted, that France needs more comedians
After all, its only a Pussy we are talking about.
Bonsoir.A woman with really Hairy Armpits boards a crowded bus in Tashkent (BTW, all buses in Tashkent are crowded) , unable to find a seat, she settles for hanging onto one of the poles. A drunk Sex Tourist next to her, stares at her for 3 minutes, then tells her "I love a woman that does Aerobics" The woman replies angrily "I don't do Aerobics" The drunk Tourist, then looks at the Woman, and says "Then how did you get your Leg Up So High ".
A Remington LadyShaver would make a great present to a Tashkent girl, and is a Sure way of getting a Leg Over.
Au Revoir.
Did you try searching in the App Store for your smart phone?Not yet.
The voice feature makes it great, I was watching a movie and saw a girl using the translators voice feature on her smartphone, I just don't know if it was google app or another app but it was really good no need to type
Gentleman Travel
04-03-12, 19:53
... or even for forgiveness!
The (too few) times I have been bold have led to my greatest successes with Ukrainian & Russian women and EE women living in the West.
The times I have acted like I was dealing with western women, I have had to struggle to succeed.
I was once upon a time also just a western guy doing it the western way, but realized that command is a better way to go with most women (also in the west and also after 10 years of relation). No experience in Ukraine yet, but the "don't ask, just do" principle works everywhere. Photos, anal sex, videos, gagging, just do it without asking for f*cking permission always. She can say NO easily so why put her in the awkward position of saying YES to something that will clearly make her look like the first class cum sl*t she might be?
Barba
I think this is excellent advice, especially for EE women, but probably for almost any women.
We have been conditioned to be timid and to seek "permission" at every step of a relationship/make-out session and this is bad for everyone.
Bad for us, because it denies us the pleasures we desire, plus the dominance we yearn for.
Bad for her, because it puts her in the position Barba describes, of having to say YES to our dirty-minded suggestions, when she can simply acquiesce and have the pleasure of being a sex toy without having the embarrassment of admitting she wants to be.
Bad for the relationship, because fundamentally women want to be dominated and are disappointed by our hesitation to be "real men".
I have found this in my relationships with EE women and I have found this with my relationship with my wife, which got a lot better after I refused to accept excuses from her and demanded regular sex, which made both of us a lot happier.
I realize that I have still been reluctant to force a more aggressive sexual agenda (different positions, more oral) on her, instead trying to get her to talk about new things - like marriage counselors tell you to.
That is a dead-end, she is never going to want to talk about blow jobs or being tied up, if I want it, I will just have to keep pushing until she says NO (with meaning).
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04-04-12, 01:03
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A woman with really Hairy Armpits boards a crowded bus in Tashkent (BTW, all buses in Tashkent are crowded) , unable to find a seat, she settles for hanging onto one of the poles. A drunk Sex Tourist next to her, stares at her for 3 minutes, then tells her "I love a woman that does Aerobics" The woman replies angrily "I don't do Aerobics" The drunk Tourist, then looks at the Woman, and says "Then how did you get your Leg Up So High ".
A Remington LadyShaver would make a great present to a Tashkent girl, and is a Sure way of getting a Leg Over.
Au Revoir.As it seems that you are obsessed by hairy female creatures, here is a must-go place for you if you ever go to Tash (rolleyes).
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As it seems that you are obsessed by hairy female creatures, here is a must-go place for you if you ever go to Tash (rolleyes)..
Achtung, Achtung.
The image only confirms what I posted, that Buses in Tash are crowded, so few of them.
I don't see a single Bus in your image. BTW, I don't think they have a metro either.
2. No shortages of hairy Females just across the Channel in France, and it would only cost me about 80 euros return on a Eurostar train from London. And it can be done on a day trip, unlike Tash.
3. And talking about Eurostar & the Channel Tunnel between The Land Of Hope and Glory Holes, and The Land of shortages of Hookers "France", I hear it on good authority, that the channel tunnel was only built to cater to frustrated French Mongers.
3A. Prosal. Contrary to popular belief in France, that the English Hate The French, I know many places in London, where the French are actually welcome in them, because they can be laughed at.
4. When you go back to Tashkent, I got a great tip 4 you, A Russian Girl by the name of
(Slobberonmanobyaibitch ).
Au Revoir
AC, could you please rephrase your post in proper form. I do not want to miss anything from the dark side..
Seconded. Go on AC.
He think it was off topic, because I asked him for a pre-mongering pasta recipe.
Felix Nordic
04-04-12, 22:20
Barba's silence was short.
B.Clear your inbox man!
Cheers.
/Felix
Member #4491
04-05-12, 00:16
Clear your inbox man!
Cheers.
/FelixDone.
And I changed my ticket also after discovering easter is not the same dates all over the world."Barba, you idiot!"
The networking is developing well. Some 6-7s who admitted the like doggy and some 7-9s who admitted they like doggy for 100 USD.
B.
AColonizer
04-05-12, 00:48
Admin and Jackson,
I have tried to contact you but "Admin has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."
BTW, I don't think they have a metro eitherWell, you're wrong:
http://www.orexca.com/tashkent_metro.shtml
The image only confirms what I posted, that Buses in Tash are crowded, so few of them.
I don't see a single Bus in your image. BTW, I don't think they have a metro eitherNo need of buses in Tash. Every car is a potential taxi. You flag a car, it stops, and you're expected to pay 2000 soums (0. 5€) to any where in town, which is admittedly cheaper than Kiev.
Done.
And I changed my ticket also after discovering easter is not the same dates all over the world."Barba, you idiot!"
The networking is developing well. Some 6-7s who admitted the like doggy and some 7-9s who admitted they like doggy for 100 USD.
B..
Your network in Kiev will develop even further, if you go Dogging with your 6-9 in a Car Park, or by the River Dnipro.
For a car park, best in the courtyard of a certain massage place in Kiev, that I posted on.
Talking about Doggy and Dogging with one Dick.
Keep it up Barba.
DoctorOral
04-05-12, 15:46
Dear fellow mongers. Since I had no reply so far.
I have a special request and maybe someone can PM me a good contact or two.
I do look for a nice young girl with tiny tiny titties. Like 0 or 1 cup. Any idea?
I have some excellent nice girls in my mobile to pay you back! ! !
Cheers and thank you!
Member #4491
04-06-12, 00:37
Felix, your turn to empty the inbox.
Jojosun, you mean that I should fuck the girls in public? I do not get it.
B.
No need of buses in Tash. Every car is a potential taxi. You flag a car, it stops, and you're expected to pay 2000 soums (0. 5€) to any where in town, which is admittedly cheaper than Kiev.Looking at the images, I don't think I even need to flag a car for it to stop. .
It can't go very far before it needs to make few stops any way.
Looks like Prague revisited, before the Berlin wall came down.
A collection of Moskovitch Russian cars, Trabant East Germany, Fiat Polsky Poland, and Tatra Czechslovakia.
No wonder it was such a treat for Czech girls to get a ride in my car, and later on my Dick.
How about some tips for Girls in Kiev.
Here is one for you in London.
A french WG by the name of La Hore. She is currently working in an apartment on Old Compton Street, Soho, commonly known as Rue De Vaseline.
Anal with her is the main menu, because of the theme of the street.
Jojosun, you mean that I should fuck the girls in public? I do not get it.
B.Its an option for you. Some girls might like Dogging or Parties, much in the same way, like you find girls on here www.adultwork.com. Listing on their profiles the above activities.
Climaxnow was talking about A Pyramid Scheme for mongers in Kiev.
Well here is an idea, Parties in Kiev.
Best for networking.
Admin and Jackson,
I have tried to contact you but "Admin has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.".
AColonizer.
I sincerely hope your contacting (Admin and Jackson) has nothing to do with my posts and some of my replies to you.
You know, you and JOJO go back a long time on the Kiev thread. Well almost 3 years, and believe it or not, I am one of the Fans who enjoy reading your posts.
That's why I hope you are not complaining about me.
Well, I didn't hold it against you, when the first thing you told me before I landed in Kiev "Read The Fucking Forum ". That's not exactly Cricket is it? , as I think they say in the UK. BTW I am clueless about Cricket.
Your not so nice greeting to me then, was your reply, when I asked "What is a Salon "?
I suppose it was your way of greeting Newbies here, instead of saying BUONGIORNO to me.
OH, How about the time, when you flamed Ukeboy by dragging his Mother into your reply?
That was below the Belt, wasn't it ACOL? As UKeBoy correctly said at the time.
More recent examples from your posts." Posters who post about US$ 300 girls in Kiev are Pimps"?
I don't recall anyone complaining about your not so nice comments/
ACOL, you can't cherry-pick what you want to hear. Its part and parcel of being on here.
Now are you sure some of my replies to you were not "Lost In Translation ".
Like the Italian man who went to New York.
An Italian Man Visits New York.
[read with an Italian accent]
One day I'm'a going to New York to big'a hotel. In'a morning I go to eat'a breakfast. I tell'a waitress I want to two pisses toast. She bring me one [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). I say you no understand. I want to to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on'a my plate. She say you better not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on'a plate, you son'a ma *****. I don't even know the lady and she call'a me a sonna ma *****.
Later I go to eat at the big'a restaurant. The waitress brings me a spoon and a knife but no fock. I tell'a her I want to fock. She tell'a me everyone want to fock. I tell'a her you no understand. I want to fock on the table. She say better not fock on the table, you son'a ma *****. I don't even know the lady and she call'a me a sonna ma *****.
So I go to room'a in'a hotel and there is no sheits on'a my bed. I call'a the manager and tell'a him I want to sheit. He tell'a me to go to the toilet. I say you no understand. I want to sheit on'a my bed. He say you better not sheit on'a bed, you son'a ma *****. I don't even know the man and he call'a me sonna ma *****.
I go to the checkout and the man at the desk say "Peace on you". I say [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on you too, you son'a ma *****. I going to Back To Italy.
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well, you're wrong:
http://www.orexca.com/tashkent_metro.shtml.
an uzbek and an american were talking one day when the topic of free speech came up. the american said, 'in the us we are so free that we can go right up to the white house and protest george bush. '
the uzbek said, 'we are just as free here. we also can go right up to the presidential mansion and protest george bush. '
Well, you're wrong:
http://www.orexca.com/tashkent_metro.shtml
No need of buses in Tash. Every car is a potential taxi. You flag a car, it stops, and you're expected to pay 2000 soums (0. 5€) to any where in town, which is admittedly cheaper than Kiev.Blame it on Prosal. Had to respond to his constant Cheerleading of Uzbekistan and the Great Women of Tashkent, Besides we are on Holiday. Enjoy the following on women using the Escalators in Tashkent.
Anyone else who has any New Input on Kiev, that we are not aware of, stick it here.
Put Up, or Shut Up.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2076215/Uzbekistan-escalator-video-How-getting-escalator-hilarious.html
Well, you're wrong:
http://www.orexca.com/tashkent_metro.shtml
No need of buses in Tash. Every car is a potential taxi. You flag a car, it stops, and you're expected to pay 2000 soums (0. 5€) to any where in town, which is admittedly cheaper than Kiev.Blame it on Prosal. Had to respond to his constant Cheerleading of Uzbekistan and the Great Women of Tashkent, Besides we are on Holiday. Enjoy the following on women using the Escalators in Tashkent.
Anyone else who has any New Input on Kiev, that we are not aware of, stick it here.
Put Up, or Shut Up.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2076215/Uzbekistan-escalator-video-How-getting-escalator-hilarious.html.
No wonder Prosal loves Tashkent. Invite a girl on the first date there for a Ride Up The Escalator.
Show her your skills on the thing, and she is damn sure Impressed.
Blame it on Prosal. Had to respond to his constant Cheerleading of Uzbekistan and the Great Women of Tashkent.JJ, it looks like you try hard to become the new Bez, but you obviously have nor the writing skills nor the humour. Your raving and painful-reading BS nonsense is a total waste of bandwidth.
Just to try educate you about Uz women (despite you are obviously hopelessly thick) , and to close the matter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BpxMhI-SyI
Bye
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Guess I need to go on Sabbatical Leave.
Jojosun,
I'm curious, have you gone insane?
Could you stop your banal and pointless postings?
This isn't your personal blog.
Thank you.
Jojosun,
I'm curious, have you gone insane?
Could you stop your banal and pointless postings?
This isn't your personal blog. .
Thank you..
CD. You jumped the gun.
Stopped before you posted. Read below.
Perhaps its your turn now to stick something of use and value into the Kiev thread.
How did you spend your recent weeks in Kiev. Enlighten us.
Thank you.
The only issue I had with BEZ at the time, was his constant bashing of River Palace, when in his own words (Never Have, Never WiLL) go to it.
Now a lot of posters are missing its disappearnce.JJ, the boat simply wouldn't have been his style.
Too obvious, too expensive and simply far too mundane for a classic Lone Wolf operator like the Bez.
Insecure, student-type Dyevs in rundown towns and cities with unpronouncable names located in faraway Oblasts is more like his Modus Operandi.
And long may he run!
BTW, can't help wondering if the boat will make a return to Kiev for the Euro in June?
I would have thought that someone, somewhere would have dropped the appropriate amount into someone else's pocket by now to effect a re-launch?
VG
And long may he run!Of all the beasts of ISG, he was King Kong.
Of all the beasts of ISG, he was King Kong.Yep, me too!
Simply the biggest beast of all...
Most guys move beyond the Boat after their second trip to Kiev.
TBH, I used to be of the mind that the Boat would eventually resurface but at this point it's looking doubtful. The Kiev p4p market has already moved beyond it. You can find good concentrations of pro's and semi pro's in just about any club on the tourist radar in Kiev. Start with D'Lux.
The Boat was a great experience.
JJ, the boat simply wouldn't have been his style.
BTW, can't help wondering if the boat will make a return to Kiev for the Euro in June?
VG
I was searching the internet this morning for something and somehow came across this guy's blog.
It's an amusing read, I thought it would post the url for the gang here. Some of you guys will find it amusing and some will find it a great source of information (and the nerds shall inherit the Earth)
http://www.rooshv.com/
I was searching the internet this morning for something and somehow came across this guy's blog.
It's an amusing read, I thought it would post the url for the gang here. Some of you guys will find it amusing and some will find it a great source of information (and the nerds shall inherit the Earth)
http://www.rooshv.com/Every year a new "want to be writer" tries to profit from marketing his champion pickup skills. The first I ever came across was Neil Strauss's The Game, a bunch of be. S. But nevertheless his trip's with Mystery to Maldova gave me my first insight into pussy overseas.
RooshV adds a different twist with his anti American feminism and dating in poor countries. I suspect his blog is completely rooted from the posts of ISG's outstanding members.
Of all the beasts of ISG, he was King Kong.He was a priori a well-traveled guy, which is obviously not the case of its new ersatz Jojosun. (rolleyes)
Every year a new "want to be writer" tries to profit from marketing his champion pickup skills. The first I ever came across was Neil Strauss's The Game, a bunch of be. S. But nevertheless his trip's with Mystery to Maldova gave me my first insight into pussy overseas.
RooshV adds a different twist with his anti American feminism and dating in poor countries. I suspect his blog is completely rooted from the posts of ISG's outstanding members.Agree. I think guys place to much into it. There is no rule how to deal with girls, including former SSSR. My personal experience tought me that the best way it is just let it go, laugh your way out, and girls there as well as in any other place like guys who are easy going, little bit tough or playing so. Not stingy, but not stupid with money. Relax and have fan.
I think on this forum too much politics lately and less sharing.
Will visit Ukraine in 3 weeks, made some notes based on your guys help and through my mamba research.
At the same time planning to play little bit around just for fun.
My appreciation to everyone to took time to answer questions and share their wisdom.)
Ronaldinjo
04-08-12, 04:19
Where have you gone our friend? What about your elaborate and perfect reports from Kiev journey? We are waiting to you Lj.
Thank you LJ. Interesting. So Mandarin will be reopen in a couple of weeks. May be will visit. Will see, but Kiev have so many options.
Seems like Kiev is a great place not just for sex but for cheap massage from cute females. $35-40 to get massage and for little extra continue to happy end with attractive lady. What a dream for guy from the West.)
I got so much response from my post from mamba girls that I stop contacting girls who visit my page. I have so far about 35 phones, most of from proffessionals but got several from cute girls who wants to meet and have a great time together. It seems to me that I already have too much info to handle.)
Sharing? You guys are just too freakin lazy. Use Mamba, go to nightclubs (D'Lux and Sky Bar) for semi pros and walk around the streets. That's all you need to do.
Rooshie seems like a wanker who has a hard time scoring even in the FSU.
I think on this forum too much politics lately and less sharing.
I met Neil once in Arena, maybe 6 years ago. He was dressed like an American hillbilly, no kidding, he was wearing bib overalls. L O S E R. .
Every year a new "want to be writer" tries to profit from marketing his champion pickup skills. The first I ever came across was Neil Strauss's The Game, a bunch of be. S. But nevertheless his trip's with Mystery to Maldova gave me my first insight into pussy overseas.
RooshV adds a different twist with his anti American feminism and dating in poor countries. I suspect his blog is completely rooted from the posts of ISG's outstanding members.
Market: There is a market in the basement of the COLINS store around Kreschatic 13 right next to the big phone shop, between mcdonalds and independence sq. its not smaller than the market in the mandarin plaza, so if its your first day and you arrive in Kiev around 22:00 you can get a sim card /charge your phone and do your shopping in 30 minutes
Videotape: have you ever had sex with a stunner and wished you had recorded your meeting?
I know you can hide a camcorder somewhere. In this trip I bought 4 of these little camcorders (#16)on ebay and they have worked well for me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSg-8ktRq4U
Later today I have a meeting with one of my favs and this time I am ready to get it on tape from all angles
Mamba: I think its a mistake to travel to Kiev just for sex so I always search mamba (not the sex ads) and the marriage agencies for normal girls and this time I found a nice young girl on mamba, real photos, and a girl on a marriage agency site. Both are young and not from Kiev but they live in Kiev. You see girls from other cities don't mind older foreign guys, many ukrainian boys have bad habits, drink too much, don't have good work, don't treat their girls with respect... Have you ever been to smaller cities like Kherson, Nikolaev, Sumy? If you travel to Kherson and see the cars its like you are in a town in the 1960s.
Mamba sex ads: In my last trip I did search the sex ads, I would say over 80% of them use fake photos, I was very clear with them that if they come to see me and they don't look like the photos in their profiles I will not keep them and ask them to email me their photos. 5-6 of them emailed me their real photos and I must say they didn't look god at all. Its best to meet the girl in front of your building first. Maybe some of these ads are from the agencies and the photos are real but when you call the girl in the photo may not work that day or she is busy so you have to be very clear you want to see the girl in the photo
GIA: I met 2 girls from this agency in the last 4 days. Alisa and Varvara.
Varavara is prettier than her photos, nice body.
They were nice especially Varvara but I would not repeat.
I may see Lora too
I did make an appointment to see Mila too but I didnt like her so I didnt keep her, she looked very average, gave her 100 grivna for coming over
The good thing about strip joints is that you see their bodies and if you get a private dance you see their puddies before you take them home
Food: For breakfast I usually go to McCafe at McDonlds, their almond croissant is ok
I like grilled steak and beef kabobs, a rest in the underground market has steak and good home made fries. many Turkish restaurants have beef kabobs
Ronaldinjo
04-09-12, 11:02
Market: There is a market in the basement of the COLINS store around Kreschatic 13 right next to the big phone shop, between mcdonalds and independence sq. Its not smaller than the market in the mandarin plaza, so if its your first day and you arrive in Kiev around 22:00 you can get a sim card / charge your phone and do your shopping in 30 minutes.
Videotape: have you ever had sex with a stunner and wished you had recorded your meeting?
I know you can hide a camcorder somewhere. In this trip I bought 4 of these little camcorders (#16) on ebay and they have worked well for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSg-8ktRq4U
Later today I have a meeting with one of my favs and this time I am ready to get it on tape from all angles.
Mamba: I think its a mistake to travel to Kiev just for sex so I always search mamba (not the sex ads) and the marriage agencies for normal girls and this time I found a nice young girl on mamba, real photos, and a girl on a marriage agency site. Both are young and not from Kiev but they live in Kiev. You see girls from other cities don't mind older foreign guys, many ukrainian boys have bad habits, drink too much, don't have good work, don't treat their girls with respect. Have you ever been to smaller cities like Kherson, Nikolaev, Sumy? If you travel to Kherson and see the cars its like you are in a town in the 1960s.
Mamba sex ads: In my last trip I did search the sex ads, I would say over 80% of them use fake photos, I was very clear with them that if they come to see me and they don't look like the photos in their profiles I will not keep them and ask them to email me their photos. 5-6 of them emailed me their real photos and I must say they didn't look god at all. Its best to meet the girl in front of your building first. Maybe some of these ads are from the agencies and the photos are real but when you call the girl in the photo may not work that day or she is busy so you have to be very clear you want to see the girl in the photo.
GIA: I met 2 girls from this agency in the last 4 days. Alisa and Varvara.
Varavara is prettier than her photos, nice body.
They were nice especially Varvara but I would not repeat.
I may see Lora too.
I did make an appointment to see Mila too but I didn't like her so I didn't keep her, she looked very average, gave her 100 grivna for coming over.
The good thing about strip joints is that you see their bodies and if you get a private dance you see their puddies before you take them home.
Food: For breakfast I usually go to McCafe at McDonlds, their almond croissant is ok.
I like grilled steak and beef kabobs, a rest in the underground market has steak and good home made fries. Many Turkish restaurants have beef kabobsHello Muddy,
How much those cameras cost, each one? Are they already available in the market? How many minutes #16 camera can record?
waiting for Tashkent stupidity to finishAdmittedly, this "dialogue" was pretty stupid, blame it on JJ bashing BS nonsense. That said, it wasn't maybe totally absurd, as Tash and Kiev are cities of the about same size (third and fourth largest cities in FSU) with an equally number of gorgeous girls, but with an abyssal difference in costs. Comparision wasn't maybe that useless for some people, even if one destination requires more "balls" and pionneer spirit than the other.
Hello, Muddy,
How much those cameras cost, each one? Are they already available in the market? How many minutes #16 camera can record?$39.
Try ebay, there are some sellers in China that sell it but only 2 of them are good, some sellers sell fake camcorders.
The seller I bought them from is good and his username starts with letters "ele", I don't remember his full username.
How long they record depends on your flash card, I bought 32 gb cards, every 20 minutes take 1gb so its good for 10 hours, then I copy the files to my laptop for editing
Here it is:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/eletoponline365/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
Best to order them without the cards and buy your own cards, buy kingston, you can order from amazon
Also you need to get the external battery too from the seller, without the battery the camcorder works for only 40 minutes, it has a small battery inside
With the external battery it works for an additional 2 hours and 20 minutes
here is a 300 page topic about these cams
http://www.rcgroups.com********showthread.php?t=1556994#post20149719
Admittedly, this "dialogue" was pretty stupid, blame it on JJ bashing BS nonsense. That said, it wasn't maybe totally absurd, as Tash and Kiev are cities of the about same size (third and fourth largest cities in FSU) with an equally number of gorgeous girls, but with an abyssal difference in costs. Comparision wasn't maybe that useless for some people, even if one destination requires more "balls" and pionneer spirit than the other.
Prosal, I'm all for comparisons. In fact, I find them enlarging, eye-opening and horizon-opening.
Do you think that guys who don't speak Russian can consider such venues as Tashkent?
LJ
Prosal, I'm all for comparisons. In fact, I find them enlarging, eye-opening and horizon-opening.
Do you think that guys who don't speak Russian can consider such venues as Tashkent?
LJIt is undoubtedly easier to navigate in Tash without Russian than in, say, Harkov.
About Kiev, dunno. I've made in Kiev only two stops and a short weekend (and I must confess, didn't like it that much, too flashy and "glam" for my taste)
Ronaldinjo
04-10-12, 04:00
Here it is:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/eletoponline365/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
Best to order them without the cards and buy your own cards, buy kingston, you can order from amazon.
Also you need to get the external battery too from the seller, without the battery the camcorder works for only 40 minutes, it has a small battery inside.
With the external battery it works for an additional 2 hours and 20 minutes.
Here is a 300 page topic about these cams.
http://www.rcgroups.com*showthread. Php? T=1556994#post20149719Thanks Muddy, I will try to gain them soon. Are those cameras available in ususal electronic shops? If they are then they are more expensive I guess?
Ronaldinjo
04-10-12, 04:07
Yes Pro, there are beautiful girls in tashkent, Russian or asian Russian mix, but to say that there is same amount of beauties in Kiev and tashkent, no way I think, maybe only if you are very asiophill.
Yes Pro, there are beautiful girls in tashkent, Russian or asian Russian mix, but to say that there is same amount of beauties in Kiev and tashkent, no way I think, maybe only if you are very asiophill.To close the matter, the two main type groups in Tashkent are Russian-ethnic and persian-ethnic, not asian ethnic (contrarily to Kazakhstan, where a majority of girls are from asian descent). There is a significative contingent of korean-ethnic girls, but it arrives in third position in importance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY8CZxnr9_k
Ronaldinjo
04-10-12, 12:25
Margarita is tall and beautiful like a model should be. I didn't see her at club this trip. Also if you like petite, there are a number of petite girls who are pretty. Like I said before, since there are many new girls, and since the line up is obviously changing, and since any trip you will make is in the future, it seems any statement about who is the best looking in the club will shortly be made obsolete by such changes, and is therefore pointless.
This trip I did not have the time to spend in the club to see and become acquainted with all of the line up. There were a good number of girls that I saw who looked hot but I didn't get the name of because I was already with someone.
This weekend (March 30 to April 3) I took out Katya, Anita, Sophia, Leela and Vladislava. I didn't see Ada or Lera but know they were working from conversation with managers. I also saw Bella, Rita, Laima, Amira, Elvira, Elsa, Lika, Mia, Gloria. All these girls are pretty and nice.
This weekend I did not see Darina, Margo, Yanna, Dasha, Leyla, Maya, Renata, Tori, Marta, Siliana, Anastacia, Snezhana, Tina, or Lea.
I was told that Tamara has moved on. I spoke to Darina on the phone before I arrived and she was supposed to be around, but I don't know what happened to her. Darina is very hot, but pricey (she asks $500 for three hours) so the only way to balance that out is to negotiate for more time earlier in the evening when she will not conk out from exhaustion. Anyway she wasn't there when I was in the club this time.
I recited this above list because it seems you wanted it, asking several times, but I don't think this list is of any value, because the line up is changing as we speak, with many new girls added and to be added. So truly what you must do as a monger when you get into town is to visit the club, make notes on the line up existing when you visit, and make plans for what you want to do and proceed from there.
LJYes, lineup is constantly changing, but most of the girls are the same. I remember Lika it seems, she was pettite brunnette as much as I remember with pretty face, considered once to take her out but she was too pettite even for me LOL. How was Vladislava? Is she one of the top blondes there in your opinion?
RomanyStar
04-10-12, 15:01
What I don't understand about the women on Mamba website is how they say that they are willing to have sex once or twice right away. But then they specify the age of the guy they want to meet, as if it's for romance and for a long-term relationship.
I've found some women I like on Mamaba. But my age sometimes doesn't fit what they want.
This whole thing is confusing for me. Because if the lady is doing it for money in a very short-term relationship, then why does she care about the guy's age? In other countries and in other places, women who do it for money usually don't care about the guy's age. Many women actually prefer older guys, because they are often able to pay more. But Mamaba ladies often specify an upper limit on age. It looks like they don't want older guys.
Perhaps this is just a quirk of the website and not of the ladies. When the ladies register, they probably have to specify the age group of guys they are looking for. And these women choose some age group because they have to and not because they have something against older guys. But this is just my guess, which I haven't been able to test.I'm nearly 60. My Mamba profile trimmed a decade from that. Those I contacted often had an upper limit of 40. Nobody complained, or even suggested it was an issue. My guess is it is just how they read the website questionnaire. It may also be that they hope to hit the jackpot and find a good looking young guy to give them a house, a car, and a US passport.
Felix Nordic
04-10-12, 22:54
Jojo!
This is for you!
Some things you post are ok and true but mostly you are just like from planet Mars. Insult or not, but I really wanted to post this a few weeks ago but decided not to. I felt there was a huge need for it but I could not be arsed. However I think you need a slap in your face.
What on earth is your agenda? Please explain to many of us including me.
Are you a wannabee? It seems like you like to lick the arse of senior members of this forum to get respect to be part of the big boys club. However on most occasions you just make a fool out of yourself. Why do you do that? What is your aim? Shine? Misinformation? Or perhaps are you a naive fool? You can't honestly believe that the majority of your posts contribute in any way.
When you started to use London escort prices as a meter for EE girls, and especially in the context of Belarus where I usually post, I lost respect for you in the context of the real world. I mean as a true smart mongerer. Later you had to explain what you wrote. Then you used a an internet site meter as a comparison for costs of living that was just out of reality. You didn't understand that, did you? Now you have an agenda here on the Kiev forum, and I am not the guy to be the Kiev guide as I have only been to Kiev 3 times. However if you do not really know, why do you bother to post?
Ok, you might claim that I am as you, claiming things without true field experience of Kiev. I only try post an alternative view of the value of the very popular strip clubs and their take out girls in comparions to the world escort scene and what you can get for that hard earned dough. All rookies, please think! Be smart! Want to pay for the mafias fancy cars or get the true gems that you can get in Ukraine? Or as they say: A fool and his money will soon be parted.
Have you even been to central Asia? Tashekent even more important as you like to mention it. I was in Tashkent and Uzbekistan, Kirgizstan and Kazakstan in 2010. In Bishkek in Kirgizstan I dated a few girls because I was there for 2 weeks. It was great fun. However my travelling mate did what he could to stop me. I had a hooker from Mamba that cost me USD 30 including anal, golden rain and CIM for 2 hours. Prices like this is not out of reach in Uzb. You can have a girl for a USD 100 for a night. I had girls uploaded for that but was not given the chance as I was traveling with a mate not at all into mongering, but only tourism. For sure, Uzb is not like hot overpriced Kiev, but with a bit of work you will be rewarded. For P4P only and as a fresh man, ditch Kiev! Again, a fool and his money.
Darn man, do something else or get your posts straingt. You need a reality check! Big time!
Please spend your money as you wish, I do not care. However giving misinformation, naive or not for whatever reason, is not in accordance with the purpose of this forum.
Cheers and happy mongering to all.
Felix
I have sex with 2 to 5 beautiful girls every day I am in Kiev.If I have sex with one beautiful girl a day, I Hi five myself.
If I have sex with one beautiful girl a day, I Hi five myself.And you should!
Having a different truly beautiful young girl for a multi-hour date each night of a Kiev trip would be enough for most men on the on the planet on the far side of 50 (don't know how old you are. Just speaking for myself). It is certainly possible to add in another girl on several of the days and still feel on the top of your game.
However, something interesting happens when the same guy enters an FKK, where due to the presence of many naked and beautiful young girls prancing all about, and approaching you and trying to seduce you by playing with your dick, maybe even sucking on your dick while you watch the porno kino, it is not uncommon to find the same guy bedding 3 to 4 of the lithe young things a night on a trip through FKK-land.
Yet in Kiev, which is also a sexual play land, the pace tends to be slower, I guess because you are not so overtly surrounded by naked pussy.
Yet there are some guys who are still dedicated to putting themselves into sexual overdrive, in order to take more advantage of what Kiev has to offer.
Hello fellow mongers,
I wil be in Kiev tomorrow for just 1 day. I am italian and 37, speak good english.
If anybody wants to hang around please let me know.
If you're already booked and going, friend, I suggest you stop being lazy like most FKK guys and read the thread going back as many months as you can until trip time lest you waste your money spent on the travel expenses. Everything you asked for is in the thread just a few pages back. That's how I know you haven't read it. Romany Star created the Google map and posted it on the thread. In the Reports of Distinction section there was a post by Latexian with links to some of my older reports. That should get you started. My prior reports more or less are designed to spoon feed you the necessary info. So Read, dear newbie, read. Then ask any questions that don't reveal that you are lazy, and you will get better responses for guidance requests. Yes mamba is a risk of what you get, so that's why it's a numbers game and you have to chase down many contacts if you are looking for the cheaper sex available in Kiev. If you're looking for P4p pros and semi pros, then I will bet that you will lose that bet that the best place is regular clubs in Kiev. You need to read more of the thread. Yes I am goading you, but for your own benefit.Thanks Liljoey,
I will do as you say then.
Just FYI I'm not lazy, just lack of time. I'm a busy bee at work.
Now I will search for the google map Romany Star made. That will be a great start.
Thank you all for sharing.
Jojo!
This is for you!
Some things you post are ok and true but mostly you are just like from planet Mars. Insult or not, but I really wanted to post this a few weeks ago but decided not to. I felt there was a huge need for it but I could not be arsed. However I think you need a slap in your face.
What on earth is your agenda? Please explain to many of us including me.
Are you a wannabee? It seems like you like to lick the arse of senior members of this forum to get respect to be part of the big boys club. However on most occasions you just make a fool out of yourself. Why do you do that? What is your aim? Shine? Misinformation? Or perhaps are you a naive fool? You can't honestly believe that the majority of your posts contribute in any way.
When you started to use London escort prices as a meter for EE girls, and especially in the context of Belarus where I usually post, I lost respect for you in the context of the real world. I mean as a true smart mongerer. Later you had to explain what you wrote. Then you used a an internet site meter as a comparison for costs of living that was just out of reality. You didn't understand that, did you? Now you have an agenda here on the Kiev forum, and I am not the guy to be the Kiev guide as I have only been to Kiev 3 times. However if you do not really know, why do you bother to post?
Ok, you might claim that I am as you, claiming things without true field experience of Kiev. I only try post an alternative view of the value of the very popular strip clubs and their take out girls in comparions to the world escort scene and what you can get for that hard earned dough. All rookies, please think! Be smart! Want to pay for the mafias fancy cars or get the true gems that you can get in Ukraine? Or as they say: A fool and his money will soon be parted.
Darn man, do something else or get your posts straingt. You need a reality check! Big time!
Please spend your money as you wish, I do not care. However giving misinformation, naive or not for whatever reason, is not in accordance with the purpose of this forum.
Cheers and happy mongering to all.
FelixI second your opinion about Jojo's posts, Felix. Mostly Jojo is "just like from planet Mars.", I quote and he likes to talk about the really old days. The old times before the Berlin wall fell.
I second your opinion about Jojo's posts, Felix. Mostly Jojo is "just like from planet Mars.", I quote and he likes to talk about the really old days. The old times before the Berlin wall fell.Birds Of the Same Feather, Flock Together.
Ciao.
Hi I JUST want to ENQUIRE FROM EXPERIENCE SENIOR MEMBERS. IS KIEV THE BEST PLACE FOR P4P? WHAT ARE USUAL CHARGES FOR A PUSSY FOR A NIGHT? HOW ARE THE DISCOS AND PARTY NIGHT LIFE?Hi Nishu,
RTFF and don't type in cap letters. Welcome to the thread.
Jojo!
This is for you!
Some things you post are ok and true but mostly you are just like from planet Mars. Insult or not, but I really wanted to post this a few weeks ago but decided not to. I felt there was a huge need for it but I could not be arsed. However I think you need a slap in your face.
What on earth is your agenda? Please explain to many of us including me.
Are you a wannabee? It seems like you like to lick the arse of senior members of this forum to get respect to be part of the big boys club. However on most occasions you just make a fool out of yourself. Why do you do that? What is your aim? Shine? Misinformation? Or perhaps are you a naive fool? You can't honestly believe that the majority of your posts contribute in any way.
When you started to use London escort prices as a meter for EE girls, and especially in the context of Belarus where I usually post, I lost respect for you in the context of the real world. I mean as a true smart mongerer. Later you had to explain what you wrote. Then you used a an internet site meter as a comparison for costs of living that was just out of reality. You didn't understand that, did you? Now you have an agenda here on the Kiev forum, and I am not the guy to be the Kiev guide as I have only been to Kiev 3 times. However if you do not really know, why do you bother to post?
Ok, you might claim that I am as you, claiming things without true field experience of Kiev. I only try post an alternative view of the value of the very popular strip clubs and their take out girls in comparions to the world escort scene and what you can get for that hard earned dough. All rookies, please think! Be smart! Want to pay for the mafias fancy cars or get the true gems that you can get in Ukraine? Or as they say: A fool and his money will soon be parted.
Have you even been to central Asia? Tashekent even more important as you like to mention it. I was in Tashkent and Uzbekistan, Kirgizstan and Kazakstan in 2010. In Bishkek in Kirgizstan I dated a few girls because I was there for 2 weeks. It was great fun. However my travelling mate did what he could to stop me. I had a hooker from Mamba that cost me USD 30 including anal, golden rain and CIM for 2 hours. Prices like this is not out of reach in Uzb. You can have a girl for a USD 100 for a night. I had girls uploaded for that but was not given the chance as I was traveling with a mate not at all into mongering, but only tourism. For sure, Uzb is not like hot overpriced Kiev, but with a bit of work you will be rewarded. For P4P only and as a fresh man, ditch Kiev! Again, a fool and his money.
Darn man, do something else or get your posts straingt. You need a reality check! Big time!
Please spend your money as you wish, I do not care. However giving misinformation, naive or not for whatever reason, is not in accordance with the purpose of this forum.
Cheers and happy mongering to all.
FelixMy Reply to the above.
1. Perhaps you should get off your arse and post something of value and use to the Kiev thread, rather than directing traffic to FKK clubs, or to mongering in Asian Republics of the FSU, for which I don't see any contributions from you in their forums as well.
2. Just few days ago, I posted all there is to do for Beginners to Kiev. And when I finished, and being on holiday, thought I engage in some banter & jest about other topics related to mongering in Kiev.
3. It wasn't meant to be insults to anyone, or to any nation, or Republic. So don't try doing this Political Correctness lecture on me, by talking about hidden Agendas. This is the primary reason I am replying here.
I am not interested to get in a rant with Wet-blankets, nor will I reply to them, or to Dumbasses in the future.
4. I don't need to Lick the Asses of anyone here. I got my Senior position here by posting actual names of Places, prices and venues. I couldn't give a Toss about what you think of my posts.
If you don't like them, ignore them. Simple
5. I prefer Caucasian Blonde Tanned girls 18/24. Had lots of them on both sides of the Atlantic, when I was I my 20s. Now at my age I have to pay for them. Got it. I don't need to be lectured about what to do with my money, or how to get laid.
I am residing at present in one of the sex capitals of the world, and in few weeks time, I will be in another Fun place on the other side of the Atlantic. I don't live in a Mongering Desert.
I don't want to go to Asian Republics for P4p. My Choice, my Money, my preference. Got it.
6. Do a favor to mongers who are thinking of going there, by posting in the forums for them, rather than talking about how fantastic they are in the Kiev thread.
7. I think what prompted you to reply, was what I posted about missing Bez's postes. And I am not the only one, who thought he did put life into the Kiev Thread.
8. So I need a Slap In My Face. Before you even think about doing it. Walk a mile in my shoes, so when you want to Slap me, you are a Mile Away, and out of reach of My arms and The Rest Of My Shoes.
The End.
you give a very low mark to girls faces. maybe you find 8th and 9s in mamba. can you describe marina? how she looks, does she speeks english?marina is a blond, she speaks english good enough, she has a pretty face, nice personality, she smokes but i wouldn't take her home because of her body, her body is ok but not really good, she has a scar on the right side of her stomach (i saw it when she was doing a private dance for me)
the best girl on my list (exclude katya) i would say is sophia, great tits, nice ass, nice body
I'm portugueese divorced man on my early 50ies, former sportsman, good shaped and good looking typical latino man. Its hard to believe how you manage to bang several girls in a raw day by day (as cruiser the posted for example) , even with big quantities of viagra (by the way gyes, to call viagra vitamin see is misnomer, it is same as to call viagra anticancer drug, no connection) , so I can't comprehend it, even much yunger horny boys can't bang 5 new girls each day several days a row, or maybe gyes cums only once a day, or cruiser the cums only once while banging 5 girls? Or just speaks nonsence?
Joey, how many times you cum in each encounter, every session last how much time on avarage? Do you cum after every session?
With respect, RonaldinjoYou've written an awful lot recently, requesting all sorts of details on the Kiev thread.
I don't really think you have any right to accuse anyone of "speaks nonsence"
I know a few guys from this board, and suffice to say everyone's different. Some use pills, some don't.
Frankly I don't care if you believe me, or CD or HunterD or not. FYI I have just gone back to back to 3 clubs in Cyprus, for one hour sessions with separate girls, and cum twice in each session, so that's 6 orgasms in just over 3 hours, and all without any vitamin. Had I more free time I could have easily banged another couple later that evening twice each. Does that make me a liar? No. Does that make me over-sexed? Maybe! Just accept some guys are different, stop bickering and be happy with your lot in life.
Member #4491
04-12-12, 02:35
RP wasn't a dance club in the true sense either, since only the girls danced for the most part, and the men ogled.I danced in RP once. I was very drunk.
Where can I go to dance in Kiev? Dancing is one of the best ways I know to make girls believe I am normal. LOL.
B.
Ronaldinjo
04-12-12, 03:30
I'm portugueese divorced man on my early 50ies, former sportsman, good shaped and good looking typical latino man. Its hard to believe how you manage to bang several girls in a raw day by day (as cruiser the posted for example) , even with big quantities of viagra (by the way gyes, to call viagra vitamin see is misnomer, it is same as to call viagra anticancer drug, no connection) , so I can't comprehend it, even much yunger horny boys can't bang 5 new girls each day several days a row, or maybe gyes cums only once a day, or cruiser the cums only once while banging 5 girls? Or just speaks nonsence?
Joey, how many times you cum in each encounter, every session last how much time on avarage? Do you cum after every session?
And by the way, day before duo with Vladislava and Leela, you had a session with Leela. How did you bring up the topic about duo with both of them? Did she tell you that she has hot girlfriend and there is possibility for duo or you inquired and offered the duo possibility later? How much duo costed. 600 $ for 3 hours or did you agree on a little bit less?
With respect, Ronaldinjo
Ronaldinjo
04-12-12, 04:06
Marina is a blond, she speaks English good enough, she has a pretty face, nice personality, she smokes but I wouldn't take her home because of her body, her body is ok but not really good, she has a scar on the right side of her stomach (I saw it when she was doing a private dance for me)
The best girl on my list (exclude Katya) I would say is Sophia, great tits, nice ass, nice bodyHello, Muddy, why did you exclude Katya? Is Katya prettiest in your opinion? About Marina, I think I saw her dancing there and my friends spoke to her and liked her very much. But don't know, maybe her name was Mariana and not Marina, blond, pretty face and nice body, she smoked and her english wasnt the best. Are you sure her name is Marina and not Mariana? Interesting you give Marina highest mark facially.
I will be glad to assist you in convincing the girls you are normal. But I believe we all are special. And to go dancing I like Artemis and Club Arena in the center. These are somewhat like discos, the music is a little differetn, and on Sundaynight Arena has some hiphop night. Not my taste. Then there is a nice place little outside of center I went to, Kalinka Malinka, a big place with a small band and lots of people all ages dancing and drinking. A little rustical and great fun, at least if you speak Russian. Dancing is an underestimated aphrodisiac. Women get a lot more hot in bed if you heat them up o the dancefloor first. Hope you like these places, and report about it.
I danced in RP once. I was very drunk.
Where can I go to dance in Kiev? Dancing is one of the best ways I know to make girls believe I am normal. LOL.
B.
DoctorOral
04-12-12, 16:24
Dear all, there MUST be more flat chested, tiny titted, young ladies out there! Please show me the way to find them, and pm me some details.
Thank you!
Joey,
I can only envy those gyes that can cum multiple and multiple times for 3-4-5 days in a raw. I knew one brazilian who did it, and he told me he ate a lot of beef and nuts. So mYy performances are very much like yours. By the way, just for interest, are you divorces with children, does your children know your big love to quality pussy, scandinavian or german, where is your permanent residence and how is morgening life in your country? In portugal morgening life compared to our big and toung sister brazil is poor, costly and boring. I have a boy and I guess he suspects that I'm not indifferent for slavic pussy. Potrugueeze brunettes are not so appealing to me, maybe because I used to them, I preffere less dark ladies. It difficult to date pretty young girls in portugal unless you are rich, which I'm not.
You took Leila home at Monday and then duo on Tuesday. Curious if it is was possible to take both of them on Monday, the first day you banged Leeyla, or this opportunity came only the day after, did you know that duo possibility with Leeyla and Vladislava existed before? Usually girls offer you duo or you offer it to them? And Joey, when you make duo, are you cumming twice with each girl separately?I'm American from NY so plenty of hot pussy around from every part of world, but more costly. I also am very partial to the looks of the Eastern European women, which is why I keep coming to EE even though there are latina mongering places much closer to home. Monday night it was quite late and I didn't think of duo because I really wanted Leela (and have wanted her for long time). As far as who initiates a duo, you can indicate you're interested and usually they like the idea of a duo since less work for each. This particular duo also involved lesbian action because the two girls were into each other. In a duo, I try to bang one and to get her off, without myself cumming. Then I do the other one and finish with her. The reason is that the times I let myself cum with the first one, my recharge time got in my way as the end time of the session was drawing nearer and my performance was affected in that while I could still fuck, it was more difficult for me to cum a second time shortly thereafter, since there had been a lot of sex on previous nights too and a shortage of leche. So that's my policy now: fuck both girls first before cumming, and if I've got another cum in me, the girls will deal with it then.
I'm nearly 60. My Mamba profile trimmed a decade from that. Those I contacted often had an upper limit of 40. Nobody complained, or even suggested it was an issue. My guess is it is just how they read the website questionnaire. It may also be that they hope to hit the jackpot and find a good looking young guy to give them a house, a car, and a US passport.Thanks for the information. I really wasn't sure if I should even contact these ladies or not.
I was just wondering how good the Mamba ladies are in terms of their willingness and ability to fuck? Some of these ladies say that they want to fuck several times a day. Are they really that good in bed? Or are they just boasting to attract the guys?
RomanyStar
04-12-12, 20:18
Thanks for the information. I really wasn't sure if I should even contact these ladies or not.
I was just wondering how good the Mamba ladies are in terms of their willingness and ability to fuck? Some of these ladies say that they want to fuck several times a day. Are they really that good in bed? Or are they just boasting to attract the guys?Dan,
Hard to believe my recent posts are already 30 pages back, but in fact you do need to RTFF. (Finally got to chime in on that theme) If you check all my posts you will see what a well researched newbie found. Here is a link to the best experience:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1258527&viewfull=1#post1258527
I think most of the frequent travelers to Kiev are trying to cross the threshold into free pussy / girlfriends, something that may not be possible at home. The U. K. Guys have ridiculous amounts of talent at home but still fly out to Kiev.Cheap Flights from London Plus present Exchange rates of the UAh/£, US$ makes Kiev a good destination. Variety is the spice of life. But if it wasn't for the above 2 factors, I wouldn't fly to Kiev.
That said, even if I don't do p4p in Kiev, I would still fly there for the atmosphere.
The same applies to other EE countries on cheap flights from London.
As for Free Pussy or girlfriends, there are more than enough on a plate in London. Just stick an ad in craigslist, and watch them coming on to you, albeit not what you get for p4p in Kiev, or London P4P.
But I suspect most of the frequent travellers to Kiev with Deep Pockets for US$300 + sessions must be combining Business plus pleasure, or simply Money is No Object.
I think most of the frequent travelers to Kiev are trying to cross the threshold into free pussy / girlfriends, something that may not be possible at home. The U. K. Guys have ridiculous amounts of talent at home but still fly out to Kiev.Uk- they don't have fly over 8 hours over the atlantic ocean
Uk- they don't have fly over 8 hours over the atlantic oceanI understand that but they still have lodging cost. I basically agree with you that it is generally not worth it for Americans to travel Kiev for p4p. It takes me a week alone to get over the jet lag stuper. However, each of us has our own unique goals in FSU. I can not speak for LJ but he clearly has an appreciation for slavic women. This is something he may not be capable of finding in New York. Maybe he wants to make Kiev his future playground. Maybe he wants to play papa figure to somebody. Who knows, who cares, he can do whatever he likes with his time and money.
I I can not speak for LJ but he clearly has an appreciation for slavic women. This is something he may not be capable of finding in New York. Maybe he wants to make Kiev his future playground. Maybe he wants to play papa figure to somebody. Who knows, who cares, he can do whatever he likes with his time and money.Maybe, maybe maybe.
maybe this maybe that LOL
Maybe you live on some farm in Iowa, in case you don't know 9 million people live in NY, there are more slavic girls in NY than any other city in the US, and there are slavic girls who work for escort agencies in NY.
BTW- my post was for LJ
Maybe, maybe maybe.
Maybe you live on some farm in Iowa, in case you don't know NY has over 9 million people, many slavic girls too, and there are slavic girls working for escort agencies in NY.
BTW- my post was for LJManhattan is not an easy place to get laid, its no London. Slavic talent went into serious decline in US cities most noticeably when the UK opened its borders to Eastern Europeans. I come from the other major city and the super star Polish / Russian pimps of ten years ago are all starving.
No, the reason to go mongering in Ukraine or Russia is for the unique and exciting experience.
The sheer number of beautiful babes. The open sexuality of the women and the society.
The thrill of the chase. The prospect of scoring a freebie that you never could at home.
Sexual experiences that are rare or difficult to obtain from western P4P.
There are lots of good reasons to monger in Eastern Europe, but straight cost-benefit is rarely one of them.So very true.
AColonizer
04-13-12, 18:52
You hit the main problem: low-feminility Western women, well-being oriented-only Western women, huge expensive sex altenatives.
But the solution for that problem is not to go abroad only. This is a sexist war where males want sex and females want money. In fact, Jackson writes holy words: "money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac", and I add: "for any kind of women, lovers, wives, prostitutes".
This is an internal war in the Western world, and therefore we must combat that war in our own countries. We don't solve that problem going abroad, but even we are taking that problem to Eastern countries. In fact what it is happening in Ukraine and in Russia? Our Western women force us to go Eastern Europe to pay thousands dollars for basic sex, and therefore sooner or later Eastern females are spoiled with the same attitude of our Western women. Eh no, gentlemen, this is not the solution at all!
Being a real man doesn't mean being a fucking machine. Being a real man means to change our everyday life. Being a real means to vote for candidates who will change the law about the relationships among men and women. Being a real man means to relate with ugly or beautiful but deserving women, and to marginalize all of those beautiful but evil-soul women.
And I do that in my everyday life, and I do that in all of my posts.
Cheers everybody!
Make it more like $500+ per girl, and for some guys only bagging a couple of girls in a week, $1000+.
That is if you are travelling on your own time and your own dime.
Many of the guys here are combining business with pleasure, in which case you only need to factor in the marginal costs (dinners for two, taxis and P4P).
But for someone to travel from the US (or even UK) all the way to Kiev or Moscow, solely for the sake of P4P mongering, it is simply not a good economic deal.
The hourly / nightly costs are similar to what you pay in any major city, although the quality and experience might be better.
Sure it is tougher in the US because of LE and bizarre high-end prices by some stunners and poor service by others.
But invest the same time and effort and money on the home front, and you will find some affordable and attractive gems.
And there are EE beauties filling up the strip clubs and escort agencies of most western cities.
No, the reason to go mongering in Ukraine or Russia is for the unique and exciting experience.
The sheer number of beautiful babes. The open sexuality of the women and the society.
The thrill of the chase. The prospect of scoring a freebie that you never could at home.
Sexual experiences that are rare or difficult to obtain from western P4P.
There are lots of good reasons to monger in Eastern Europe, but straight cost-benefit is rarely one of them.
In fact what it is happening in Ukraine and in Russia? Our Western women force us to go Eastern Europe to pay thousands dollars for basic sex, and therefore sooner or later Eastern females are spoiled with the same attitude of our Western women.Not completely true AC. In the west, women can always find jobs and men that will take care of them. In the east, women will not always be able to find jobs and men that will take care of them especially after beauty and youth has disappeared. Eastern attitudes can not be changed by a few foreigners seeking companionship and a few devushkas seeking security. Its going to take a lot more money and commercialization before that evil concept of feminism can root itself out east.
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