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MagicTouch
09-16-04, 16:05
I will post here a not-so-good experience at RP that can provide useful indications on how things work with working girls in Kiev.

I went to RP at around midnight and, although the quality of the girls was as high as expected, the athmosphere seemed to suffer from a certain lack of light and brightness. This was basically due to the general attitude of the girls, that seemed to be acting as they were living in a mirror rather than in a valley of tears named earth. All seemed to be somehow soulless.

After a while I tried to make a better use of the time I was stealing to sleep and started a conversation with a girl that, while not being definitely the most stunning of all, seemed to have something applicable to attract my attention. But the conversation did not really take off and was terminated by my mentioning the hotel I was booked at, this was Vozdvizhensky and I can agree that it is not the top of the locations in Kiev, difficult to reach and not comparable to Dubai's Burj-al-Arab for sure.

After another while I started incidentally a conversation (this like the previous in Russian, problem was to understand the replies with that loud music) with a non-working girl who was there by accident I presume and appeared to be ultimately wondering why she was there indeed. She was again not one of the (many) top-models the place was packed with but appealing enough to give my dirty phantasies some fuel, and showed a promising interest in cultivating our conversation. Unfortunately, she was with another girl (hopelessly and discomfortingly ugly BTW!!) and showed as well the annoying tendence to dedicate an excess of efforts in worrying about her, therefore after maybe 1 hour I got fucked-up enough to drop her in favour of a serious RP-level couple. One was not the model-type girl but simply a sex-bomb, the other was more the slim hottie you may wish to meet in such a place. Both insisted in having a dance with me to give me an insight in their availability to go dirty, then the negotiation started, they wanted $200 for both, it was almost 3am so I laughed and downsized it to 100 for one only, they said they wanted to do it together and I made my final price, $130, which they accepted.

I may have picked easy enough and for a cheap price one of the other hotties available in the bar area and desperate to find a companion at that late hour of the night, but I was curious to see that funny couple in action ...

At the hotel I had to tip additional $60 (50% of the room price) to the guy of the security to let them in without registration. Once in my room, they began to make a joke of it, laughing and bullshitting around in a clear attempt to give the minimum while time went by. I played the game for a while, then I decided I had enough of it and since I am not the man who would achieve things with physical violence, they showed at first some reluctancy to adapt to my demand of performing an immediate and substantial change in their attitude. I had no other choice but showing I was ready to call the security man, and announced I would give him $100 to call the police and accuse them of robbery. I hit the target, there's nothing like a nightmare for these girls as having inconveniences with security men and militsianery, and that mention of robbery was hard and credible enough to throw them into a sufficient discomfort. So the one who spoke English (the slim hotty) politely asked what I would need in order to reconsider this, I said "give me serious sex and stop being silly", I must confess that I felt myself into a sort of Fellini-movie, I was sitting on a chair, completely naked, with my cock in a stand-by condition well visible between my legs, business-likely talking with ice-voice about making a hell out of their forthcoming hours!

Eventually, the slim hotty started giving me a CBJ, fear produced an appreciable change in her attitude although it was all far from being a top performance. Then I asked them to make a lesbo show, again I got a minimum of that performance, before being asked to join them. I fucked the English speaking hotty, while the sex bomb was not available to do anything but damaging my balls from behind with a manual action that may have reminded her grandmother's dough-sheeting in preparation of a Sunday lunch! When I wanted to switch to her (with the last-but-not-least aim of getting in more reasonable control of her bloody hands ) I was announced that I had to change my condom!! Feeling as galvanized as a eunuch at a gay party, I ineluctably gave up the idea and refucked the other till completion, she showed eventually a minimum of appreciation but then I put them at the door in the time that you would need to say "Archibald McAllister is travelling to Benbecula" (personally, not being a native speaker, I need 7 seconds for it), and delivered them back to the delights of a grey rainy morning in that former paradise of workers.

Lessons to learn:
1) going double, especially with an established couple, implies an increased risk of being teased around, the 2 ladies will easily support each other
2) the security is still a serious and credible threat
3) don't be afraid of going hard. If you can't get their love, get their fear. Anything else will produce poorer results.

Well the dear members preparing to downsize their consideration for me should show some availability to give me a second chance and wait for my forthcoming report on the day after. I am confident I will regain everyone's consideration, and being the subject (or the object?!) of it a freebie, this can add some stuff to the recent debate on freebies vs working girls. My aim is showing that, if RP working girls can be unexpectedly poor, freebies can be unexpectedly good ;-)

Andy J
09-17-04, 01:35
I'd like to second MagicTouch's report on the essential, and very deep, crappiness of RP.

I was there a couple of weeks back, more, I suppose, for a laugh, than anything else and, as I'd been lacking much to do around midnight in the part of the city where I was staying, decided to head out and see what it is that this forum's been talking about. But it was anything but a laugh, though perhaps laughable. I paid European prices for a lousy and almost-warm beer served (my memory says, though it can hardly be right) in a plastic glass like you get in London on a saturday night in a low-grade footall pub. There were plenty of girls there, but they spent most of their time eyeing each other's totties up and down, as I've no doubt they did the previous evening, and the evening before that, and so on down the long arches of the years. There were none there who seemed either decent, or intelligent (the two things which turn me on; big difference from Dubai) though I hardly suppose that RP's the place to go to see much of either.

The single, wall-mirrored, dark-ceilinged and low-slung room was verging on the claustrophobic; the fact that I had to stand at the bar (the only available standing room) and be hassled by the bar staff as they hustled by, and the hustlers as they barged past didn't do much for my mood. Neither did the sudden appearance of a littoral boat-load of smartly-dressed, well-shaded, Italian guys who ambled in, ordered one glass of flaccid beer each (no doubt to feel at home), and began to discuss, too ostentatiously for my taste, the local talent, at high volume and with great persistence. Happily, my italian's bad enough that I could let their low-grade, lip-licking groans be drowned by the loud, thumping music.

In short, I drank two-thirds of my beer, slapped my glass down on the semi-visible, smoke- and cigarette-butt-clad bar and headed out onto the riverbank to catch a passing taxi, glad for having seen the place, but not much else. The girls who walk Kreschyatik at any time of the day or night are better looking and, I've no doubt, smarter too. And you won't have to stand by and watch a roomful of testosterhol-infused inostrantsi make idiots of themselves.

Won't be going there again in a hurry.

MagicTouch
09-17-04, 10:21
OK, now let me post the completely different experience I had the day after the Fellinian couple, with a completely different outcome and level of satisfaction.

I had spent the month before making contacts on a local dating site, and out of the unhealthy amount of e-mails, pictures, replies, replies to the replies, lies beyond any immagination and assorted bullshit necessary for the purpose I was able to collect some 10 tel. numbers, and 2-3 warmer accounts to rely upon as a 1st choice.

So the night after was scheduled for a meeting with this cute girl, young enough although not just barely legal, not really model-type but with a beautiful slavic face, big boobs and a very merry and bright attitude. I met her at Hotel Rus, where we were joined by another glorious member of this forum (my black brother ;-) and a stunning hotty from a village in the countryside he had picked from the same website.

A drink, dinner at an upscale local restaurant (unfortunately my 1st choice, Khutorok, was fully booked), then bowling generated the excellent athmosphere needed for THE purpose. We moved eventually to Carribean Club for some Latin American action. That disco is the right place if you want to escape the recently described delights of the working environment at RP and look for non-working hotties. The good salsa, merengue and similar music played there all the time is very effective in making the female visitors hot and available, we 2 WSG guys were almost about to regret being there with girls already since we saw a minimum of 20 girls not benefitting from any significant male-companionship and perfectly applicable for a promising contact.

That kind of music gave the decisive impulse to the process of seduction I had been working on, the girl I was with was the typical sweet neighbour's daughter light-years away from any working horizon, so the only chance I had to make a good use of my last night in Kiev was achieving a perfect result in terms of seduction - and outcome of the seduction. The music was very effective in facilitating the last step, despite my dancing skills that are reasonably comparable with those of a drunken bear, I got her dancing hot hand in hand and, after repeatedly having her face at 10 cm distance from mine for prolongued periods of time, I said vaffanculo to the last gods of decency left at my side, made the step and pulled her into a tsunamical DFK action that brought me back enthusiastically to my never-regretted-enough teen years ;-)

She got so involved in the game that at a certain point I believe that everybody was expecting me to fuck her directly on the dance floor. Instead of this, we moved to our friends' hotel (definitely better than my Vozdvizhensky), but the other girl was not available to share the same room with any more strangers in the night than strictly necessary. This is a good indication for everybody, guys, the gentleman was the one who paid the room, and the girl decided who would stay in and who not ;-)

But before putting me at the door, this glorious WSG member gave the input that was to prove extremely beneficial for the short-term development of my fortune, he told my girl that I was a super-specialist of massages (?!). So, when we were eventually in my room, in order to break the ice I offered her to try it and see if she would agree. I started with a serious massage on her back (my past experiences in professional sport were much of help) and gradually converted it, very slowly into a hot tongue-massage that made her completely crazy and out of her mind. When I shifted this particular kind of action on to her butt she could no longer keep any decency (thus obliging another deal of upset gods to search more breathable air elsewhere) and began to moan and crawl all around. I made a sophisticated use of her tanga to start a serious stimulation of her hot spots, then removed the tanga (pity ...) and gave her a shakespearian manual action using all the available fingers (mine) into and onto all the available holes and spots (hers) in a war of no mercy and no prisoners that I made last longer than she (and you all) would believe.

This was how I completed my seduction performance, ie transforming the sweet neighbour's daughter into a nymphoqueen enthusiastically overwhelmed by an exponential series of orgasms.

The time finally came when I was fed-up with all that orgiastic manipulation, and as soon as she could regain some understanding of what is above and what is below in the world, I showed her that I was ready to enjoy my share of the game. The response to this was a phantasmagoric, megalythical BBBJ with double-handed side action culminated in one of the most glorious CIM's in the history of mankind. This jesuschristed me out without remedy and I kept shivering for good 5 minutes after completion, and felt it in my bones 1 hour later still (to be honest, I STILL feel it in my bones if I think of it ;-). Believe it or not, I had no least need to go to the toilet after that, and, not wishing to disregard the significant implications behind this, for the avoidance of doubt I suspended any DFKing for a while ;-)

Unfortunately, it was 6 am already by that time, and the hotel's policy obliges unregistered guests to leave, so there was no prosecution of action possible. I had no other choice but waiting for her taxi in the lobby, and going back to my room for 2 hours of sleep before a business breakfast and a later flight to a new city, a new hotel, a new business and a new ride on the carousel.

Purely judging from this experience, I would say that pulling freebies is by far more effective in providing outstanding levels of satisfaction. The seduction game, and the passion a conveniently seduced lady will put in the love-games is by far superior to any professional performance. Ukraine seems to be a good place to attract ordinary girls into this kind of game, and availability to internet contact is unlimited except for the language skills required to them to be in touch with non Russian-literate foreigners (some of my contacts made good use of online translators for the purpose). My WSG-brother was able to get a delighful flower of a beauty and sex-appeal that you would not believe. Even if you get responses from average-girls, don't forget that average in Ukraine corresponds to extremely beautiful wherever else in the world. Considering any 10 girls randomly chosen in that country, you can rely on the following figures:
3 are absolute top-models: long legs, high butts, slim bodies etc
3-4 are very beautiful and/or fascinating although maybe strictly speaking not model-type
2 are beautiful
the rest (!) is to forget.
And, if you don't like bullshitting on the internet in search of contacts, my advice is to sample pubs, bars and restaurants: in spite of all the Khreshatyk, RP etc business often advertised in this forum, those who give body to the quintessence of the stunning beauty are nothing but the waiters working in these places unbelievably under the general disconsideration of everybody.

Vegamars
09-17-04, 10:49
Great report for the lightening system of RP, kind of glasses they use for beer, what Italien guys are talking about,etc,etc

That's what we've been all wondering about...

Andy J
09-18-04, 01:31
Vegamars, merci beaucoup (almost) for your sarcasm.

I wrote a report which explains what I thought of RP, having gone there on the strength of the writeups I'd seen around here. However, when I arrived, it turned out to be a cheap dive serving lousy beer. If I'd known this before going, I'd have saved myself the 15-hrivna ride from Kreshyatik (~two euro, around half the price of a beer in RP) and spent it somewhere else, having far more fun. That's what this forum is for: giving the bad with the good.

To reiterate: On the night I was there, RP was full of tired hookers, drunk foreigners and cigarette-ends. If this is all somebody wants out of Kiev, then he should go to Amsterdam instead and leave Kiev to the rest of us.

Vegamars
09-18-04, 16:48
I don't know what time you were there, but you can be sure that the atmosphere is fascinating between 12 p.m and 2a.m everyday, especially during the winter and spring.

There can be no kind of comparison whatsoever between Amsterdam or any other location in western Europe with Kiev.

Rendorseg
09-18-04, 18:42
I fully agree with Vegamars.
In fact his comments brought back flashes from my recent trip to RP and alas business prevented me from making one last stop there on the way out of the Ukraine. Whimper.

Detailed flashbacks... (for the few of you who like reading such details...)

I found my 24 yr old blonde acrobatic gymnast and ballerina girls for a hot menage a trois at about 01:00, so Vegamars time frame rings oh so true.

Back at my flat - after a nice bottle of champagne we started off with a real nice bubble bath in the large jacuzzi style bath with cool underwater lights...
Kind of hard to recall all things that evening but I will say that the ballerina girl (cute blonde, thin, no tits, liked being on top in 69) while she took turns going down on me with her friend (the gymnast - really cute, nice tits, very sweet) who took care of my balls licked me down under, and licked and sucked my cock also... endlessly it seemed they both really appreciated how I was gentle and went down on them also... Oh, one sensation I rather liked was that while one was deep throating me gymnast girl who had near c-cup breasts kissed me and then literally shoved her nipples into my mouth.... oh my gawd.... it was so hot....

hum, what else....? In the morning I awoke between both girls, the ballerina dead asleep on my right and the cute gymnast on my left... well, since the gymnast had the nicer tits (I for a quick second pondered how such nice breasts might cause her as a gymnast to fall off a balance beam but perhaps that's why she's doing this kind of 'gymnastics' now....) I felt like exploring that region, well, actually I spooned up next to her and caressed her perfect breasts and as my cock got bigger and harder she stretched her smooth and sleek body in sync with mine letting my cock plow into the folds of her pussy lips. Soon she spread her legs and was rubbing my cock in and out of her pussy. After a while she was moaning... then moaning more loudly she got on top of me and we fucked like banchees, me sucking her perfect breasts, she frenching me deeping, I mounted her and she moved her inner muscles rythmically, with both of us moaning loudly I was hoping that her friend would wake up and help out by licking us both but she was out cold.... so despite the fact that her friend did not join in (till after I came, then for a 2nd morning round) it was as sensual and hot and wet and intense as it gets, halleluyah.

During much of that evening and morning together I played some really cool mezmerizing sensual tango nuevo music which they found loved so much they insisted on taking the CD in the morning.... in return I jokingly insisted on a massage which they gladly provided.... I wanted them to massage my front also (truly) but both sets of hands then lips and tongues went down for yet another energetic (farewell) bbbjtc (having so often seen ladies 'run' in the morning, I didn't expect it) but they almost insisted and, well, as the Star Trek Borg proclaim: 'Resistance is Futile!'.... They were in such good shape, no matter how long I lasted they kept at it. Oh....

Alas, I am thinking of heading back to Kiev in the cold dreary winter when air fares are cheaper (not for business but for monkey business) and the winddows reportedly steamy... Kind of interesting really how in Ukraine it is easier to connect with 2 RP girls rather than one, it's common for them to prefer working together (they feel safer, etc....) ... ah, what a terrible dilema... sigh...

Well, so yes, I agree that the right time for RP is between 12:00 and 02:00.

Rendorseg

Best Sex
09-18-04, 23:13
I was in Kiev last month, and I called Sveta. I stayed with her for 3 wonderful days together. I met her in disco River Palace when I visited Kiev several months ago.

When I met her first time there, she was different from others.

She was very shy when I asked to go to my apartment. It was already 4 am. She asked me $100. Usually all other girls asked $200 to $300 to make deal. So I took her to my apartment, and had very nice GFE. I gave her $200 in the morning, and she gave me her mobile phone number.

In the late afternoon, I called her for more night. She came to my apartment at 7pm, and we went to restaurant. After nice food and glass of wine, we came back to home in very good mood. We had really nice sex like with girlfriend. Next morning, she did not want to go back home, but I should go to airport. I gave her $200. She was very happy.

I always missed her and came back to Kiev last month. She liked very much.

I attached her photos. If you planned to go to Kiev, ask me her telephone number. She is absolutely a gem.

Nemez
09-19-04, 02:31
Magictouch:

Caribbean-club (Kominterna street 4)

The only place in Ukraina were i have seen Havana-Club ron ;).
But 25 Griven for a Cubalibre!?

All the other places you are talking about (RP, Modabar, 111...) are not real Ukraina. Forget Kiev and visit other towns.

Bez Bezarra
09-20-04, 04:36
As I ponder on my TV this Sunday night the world's all time most pathetic excuse for a pro football team, namely the Dolphins, who ought to relocate to Pensacola, I begin to realize that its time for Jackson to create a new thread here.

Why don't we call it......VegasWorld. Yeah, kind of like Wayne's World, but instead of Garth, we have all these RiverPalace guys whose only purpose is to out-Vega the enigna from mars himself. Not following me?

Try banshee-fucking rythmic muscle mesmerizing salsa followed by methagalactic
jesus blow jobs where 3 out of every 10 girls is a top model.

If that doesn't bake your cake, then try the deep crappiness and quintessance of
disconsiderate flaccid beer as you refuck your low-slung valley of tears.

Like I said, welcome to hell. And you don't even need a visa, a lobotomy will do just fine. No cranial drill bit? Worry not friends, just keep reading down below .

Vegamars
09-20-04, 13:15
Forget Kiev and visit other towns???

I wanna forget, but no way..

Why not visit other towns and come back to Kiev at the end?

Vegamars
09-20-04, 22:00
Let me remind again that River Palace is only a tiny spot for the endless opportunities that Kiev has to offer.

Some other exciting places for those who wonder:

Shelter
Zair
Hollywood
Velvet
Joss
Split
Matrix

TheGuyFromNY
09-20-04, 22:33
Does anybody know of any places in or around Kiev like Resttown was a couple of years ago ? I mean a stripclub where you can take the girl to a room right there in the club. I was at Resttown recently and apparently it really doesn't work like that anymore. Very few girls, they don't undress when they dance, and they don't all go to the rooms.

Best Sex
09-20-04, 23:13
There are many spots in Kiev, but River Palace is the best.

I go to Kiev at least 3 or 4 times a year. I tried so many places, but I go to River Palace everytime now. Of course, three years ago, we can meet many non pro there. Now, most of girls are pro. Some girls come to the place for three years.

But we can still meet very nice girls sometimes. Of course, they come to the place for money. But you can have real GFE with some girls if you treat them like girl friends.

If you go to the place like Resttown, you cannot have GFE with any girl. Even if you treat her very well, they are mechanical.

Go to River Palace, and find a gem. I already found two gems, Sveta and Tanya. Whenever I go to Kiev, I called them and have a wonderful GFE.

Sveta is 22 years old blond. 170cm slim nice body with very beautiful breasts. I already post her photo with my previous report.

Tanya is 19 years old brown hair model. She has really nice body like model. She is now working as strip dancer in Cabaret, so does not go to River Palace any more. Attached is her photo. If you go to Kiev, and need her telephone number, ask me.

Andy J
09-21-04, 00:35
...RP well aside, though, Kiev is chockful with the most stunning, model-type, bra-less, tight-top, above-hip white-pants, lip-smacking, girls that I've ever seen. Am dying to get back and get to know a few more, or even meet some of the last trip's tally.

Two questions to the group at large:

1. Who speaks russian, and have you found it to be of any use? In RP and other such dives, it's a disadvantage, at least from the point of view of mongering; doesn't lower the price and the girls seem to get suspicious. However, in terms of picking up more normal (and more friendly) girls, it's makes things easy, even if it's only mid-level as mine is. What are people's experiences?

2. Has anybody had hassle in Kiev from LE? The cops I saw kept a low profile around foreigners, but one Aussie guy I met told me that he'd had the stuffing kicked out of him by the local militsia while leaving 111, which I and another friend recommeded to him the previous evening -- yikes :(. When I met him at an internet cafe the following day, he was limping badly [he suspected a broken toe], had two black eyes and a cut on his face. He told me that he'd gone on to 111 after chatting with us and got pretty drunk with a bunch of English guys who he'd just met, then, as he left the club with them, a vanful of passing militsia guys stopped, duffed them up, handcuffed them and threw them all into the back of the van, drove out past the city limits, gave them a second going over and left them there, after nicking their wallets (being careful to return their bank cards). I've no idea whether his story is true, but he didn't look to me like the kind of guy who'd spin a yarn. Has anybody seen or experienced stuff like this? I heard of something like this in St Pete too, but not in Ukraine.

John Quakman
09-21-04, 05:02
Mangus

You are new to this planet aren't you?

JQ

Aynak
09-21-04, 11:35
Visiting Kiev soon for a business meeting and will be staying at Hotel President which is not my choice,but the place for our business sessions.

Is there anybody to comment if that hotel is girl-friendly?Any practical advice of mongerers who experienced that hotel will be appreciated.

TheGuyFromNY
09-21-04, 17:27
No offense, but I'm not really looking for a GFE. Girlfriends are for a GFE and that you can get in your own country. In Kiev I am looking for an inexpensive professional. Does that lack of response mean nobody knows of such a place?

Rendorseg
09-21-04, 19:00
GuyfmNyk
Of course there are many cheap nonGFE options. Simply read back and ye shall see. Cheap is all relative but you can certainly get by for a few hour stint for $50, overnight sometimes as cheap as $100 for a 7 or 8. Usually after the first time it is possible that a provider will give you a better deal than the initial price. As to where simply do your homework and read the back postings.
If your time is limited I'd spend a bit more (as opposed to blowing a lot of time chasing tail unless that's your thing) so as to have a more pleasureable stay. Whatever...

TheGuyFromNY
09-21-04, 19:55
The point was really more about the time than the money. At Resttown you could pick out a girl and 15 minutes later you knew if you had chosen correctly. I have found a girl there that I have subsequently met with afterwards at my hotel and it was great. But if you got the wrong girl you could go back upstairs and choose again and you were only out an hour and $50.00.

At RP if you choose the wrong girl it's basically the end of the evening at 3:00AM already back at your room. Anyway, that was why I liked Resttown.

Snowy
09-21-04, 23:22
AndyJ

I've been to Russia and Ukraine quite a lot over the course of the last four years, mostly for short business trips. During the course of that time, my Russian has got okay - somewhere between reasonable conversational and an increasingly long vocab that means I can talk with most people. Whilst it's worth stressing that if you have no Russian at all you can still have a blast in Kiev, the simple truth is that the more Russian you know the more options you have (although no more than knowing some French makes travelling in France easier).

Language skills open up two avenues - girls who speak no English at all and, as discussed on the Moscow board recently, girls who speak some English but aren't too confident in their skills. If you are prepared to make an arse of yourself with these types of girls, it relaxes them and they suddenly find they can speak quite a bit of English. You need a little bit more than the standard page 1 of Learn Russian - "Hello" and "my name is..." - but not that much more. As is the case in a lot of the world, non-English speakers too often seem shy about using their English as they think their language skills aren't all that, whilst most Americans and Brits can't get over how well other people speak English.

With this second category of girl, being too fluent in Russian can be a bit of a drawback, and I've learnt to start at the beginners level of Russian with all girls and see what happens. If their English is truely non-existent, my Russian will get better; if the girls suddenly realise they can speak more English they usually seem to enjoy themselves and like a chance to practice and learn some new words. If you come across any girls in Kiev who can swear in a reasonable London accent, I like to think I have contributed in a completely useless way! Of course the best bit about speaking Russian is being able to understand what the girls are talking about in front of you - another good reason to hide your Russian skills for a bit when you first get together.

If you going to try and work the truely non-pro, non-P4P scene (although money usually plays a part somewhere), then some Russian is pretty essential and this will give you access to the whole city. However, the language thing is the least important part of the game. In EE, I think more than anywhere else I've been, it's all about the attitude. This is as true for the pros as it is regular girls. Put simply and rather obviously, the more the girl wants to spend time with you, the better your chances are. Prices will come down for semi-pros - girls would rather spend the night with someone they like and will price accordingly - they'll be a schmo she doesn't like who'll pay $300 a couple of nights down the line! It's amazing how many guys forget this in somewhere like Kiev. Dive in with the charming opening line of "how much?" and you'll get a quote the question deserves.

Spend some time with the girl, a few drinks, dance, make her laugh, compliment her a bit, a few small and usually meaningless gifts you've brought in from out of town - the same stuff you would do anywhere - and the price of the pros will come down and your chance of getting a regular girl to sleep with you on the first date will be far, far greater; the girls will be more willing once you get back to the flat too.

For the regular girls, if your time is limited, then you need to have a good story behind you too - if you are there for 5 nights and girls know this you'll struggle to get anywhere quickly (you are clearly not boyfriend material) so work on something plausible. If you want a quick screw for cash, there's plenty on offer, but if you're prepared to put a little effort in the rewards can be...glorious!

As for the LE thing, I can only call as I find. I've found Kiev to be possibly the safest place I've visited. I've never felt threatened once. That said, any city has it's dark side and whilst I've never had any problems in Russia either, I know enough horror stories in SpB to know that you need to be careful. If the LE can be grim in Russia, then there is no reason why they can't be grim in Kiev. Same rules apply everywhere - eyes open and don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) people off with guns. I'm not saying your Aussie friend did anything to warrant a beating, but the phrase "got pretty drunk with a bunch of English guys" doesn't immedeately suggest that they weren't drawing attention to themselves! Don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the locals!

Pacific Creek
09-22-04, 03:15
Snowy,

It's nice to know there are other's who agree with me about how helpful it is to know some russian. It truly does open up another area and can get you into some ladies you might not know otherwise.

Keep it up.

Vegamars
09-22-04, 08:24
Though Russian skills will open some doors for some girls, they will be mainly of lower class and quality.

If you wanna focus on university students and upper class of girls of some remarkable quality, they're so fed up with the local guys and their severe behaviour that they don't prefer to communicate in any sort of Russian that will remind them of their dull lives.

On the contrary, they wanna practice their English and meanwhile hearing some nice words in Russian in between the lines will make them more than pleased so as to make them laugh most of the time as a nice joke.

Doctor_Skank
09-22-04, 08:53
Obviously, knowing Russian DOES help, with all kinds of girls.

Snowy's comments are the most sensible in my opinion as he quite accurately addresses the nuances of expressing and utilizing your Russian language skills (or lack thereof) and when not to use them. His point that it isn't always best to speak fluent Russian is a good one and corresponds with Vegamars'(in my opinion grossly exaggerated) theories as well.

Still, the notion that not knowing any Russian or extremely little will not hinder your access to all top Ukrainian girls is both inane, unrealistic and silly.

There all a lot of major babes who speak extremely little or no English and yes, there are many girls of upper class and quality who don't even want to speak English even if they can. The notion that all upper class and educated Ukrainian girls hate speaking Russian is inane and ridiculous.

Can you get by without Russian? Just fine, and yes you will always find some girls that like to speak English.

Will you be able to approach every girl you fancy without Russian? No, you won't.

PP Tous
09-22-04, 08:59
I am having work done in Kiev. The monthly wages for top professionals delivering world-class results is about twenty times less then what I am paying for similar labor out of Germany. When I read many reports here, it seems that not all industries enjoy the same bargain pricing, namely vacation housing and personal entertainment. I can't help but believe that a lot of you are foolishly paying hormone driven prices or certain sectors of the Ukrainian economy are terribly unique. Man, a hundred bucks in Kiev will get you the best software engineer, with a PhD, and not for a night but for a week or two!

Forget all this BS of how we are supposed to act with the women to get them to like you etc...

My question to the real experts of our hobby: In Kiev, using race-proven procurement methods, what is a fair price for a night on the town, a dive under the covers, and goodbye over a coffee in the morning?

I have never been in Kiev, so excuse me if I seem to have ridiculous expectations. But at USD 300/night in Kiev means we would be paying around USD 6000/night Munich. We aren't.

Happy Mongering!

Pepe

Vegamars
09-22-04, 12:34
The situation in Ukraine is a little bit different than it is in Russia.

The hate against Russian and the preference of Ukrainian on especially the western part of the country including Lvov symbolizes their independence against Russia.

If you try to speak in Russian in Lvov for instance, it could be difficult to get a reply at all.

The official written language is Ukrainian in the whole country and recently all students in university have had the choice of selecting between Russian and Ukrainian as the language of education.

Hence, if you really wanna express a girl in Ukraine, you could try to learn some Ukrainian.

In my opinion, the language barrier is not a problem that will interfere with communication cause our real aim is not communicating at all.

At times it's much better ro understand each other..

Doctor_Skank
09-22-04, 14:20
Vegamars:

I have been to both Russia and Ukraine and yes, they are different. And the same.

Everybody has different methods of wooing girls and consequently various degrees of success.

Since this forum question was posted as information for newbies to Kiev however, I maintain that you are still better off knowing Russian than not knowing it. I think this is obvious.

In areas of Ukraine where Russians are particularly despised you may not want to speak Russian, granted... if however they don't speak English... especially a factor in smaller cities without a large student or well-educated population... they will speak Russian with you if it is the only method of communication.

Moreover, I also didn't detect the kind of hatred for the Russian language that you seem to have experienced. Admittedly however I haven't been to Lvov or the western areas of the Ukraine that you have travelled and cannot comment on that. In the center, east and south however Russian is widely spoken and accepted without a hint of animosity.

In Kiev in particular, and that is what we are talking about especially for the tourist monger, you are better off with Russian than without. It isn't absolutely necessary (especially with pros) but certainly helps.

If I can get away with speaking English with girls, I will. Obviously it is easier for me. But when making no headway with English whatsoever or a girl doesn't seem responsive to English, knowing Russian will definitely help get your foot in the door with some girls who are either not able to speak Russian or are not willing/confident enough to try their English. And besides, it maybe just me, but I think it is a sign of respect to at least try to speak a language that they understand. Making an effort, no matter how pathetic, is appreciated and may get you that indicative "fuck me" smile that you are looking for.

I've had to speak Russian to Ukrainian girls on many occassions... communication just wasn't possible with their miserable or non-existent English. Perhaps I have been only speaking to uneducated trash (your definition)... they still looked pretty damn good though.

And understanding each other, as you put it, is a form of communication. Granted communication is accomplished through many methods... but in 99% of the cases you are still going to have to speak to the girl and if all else fails, god forbid, speak a language she understands. In many cases, it isn't English.

You are obviously doing well with your method of avoiding speaking Russian and thankfully this will work with enough girls to keep you and most mongers happy. I still maintain that speaking Russian, even in the Ukraine, will open new doors and avenues to you and most certainly open a few sets of long slender perfect legs as well.

You will continue to do whatever works for you and your comments and advice are appreciated by myself and many others.

Newbies however would still be well-advised to learn some basic Russian (don't waste your time on Ukrainian unless you are planning on spending a lot of time in Ukraine) to help them achieve their goals and if nothing else, make them feel more comfortable in a country in which the ridiculous notion that "everybody speaks English" is an illusion.

Vegamars
09-22-04, 20:57
Other than Premier Palace and Dnipro, you'll encounter some kind of problem for bringing a girl in, which is not so difficult to settle down.

Especially in hotels like Ukraina and Kreshatik, the hotel security tries to take control so that you'll be dependent on the private room service within the hotel.

TheGuyFromNY
09-22-04, 22:29
I stayed in the Dnipro just a few weeks ago and they now also look for $20 at hotel security if you are bringing a girl up to your room at night.

Snowy
09-22-04, 22:55
Ahh, the good Doctor! I think you wrote everything I wanted to say in response to Vegamars, although somewhat more eloquently.

I sometimes wonder if I'm going to a different Kiev, and indeed Ukraine, to the one Vegamars inhabits. His point about Ukrainians having a negative attitude to Russian speaking foreigners, is just not relevant to this forum. I do a limited amount of business and consultancy throughout Ukrain and, from an international perspective, its English first, Russian second and probably French, Spanish, Italian and numerous other languages before Ukrainian gets a mention. It's not expected by anyone. In Kiev especially, Russian seems to me the main social language spoken by the locals - they may do business in Ukrainian, but they socialise in Russian.

Throughout Ukraine, the dislike of Russians does not impact on foreigners unless you speak and act like a native Russian; you simply won't be classified in the same group. It just ain't an issue!

I think the key point from a mongering perspective is the one Doctor Skank makes about showing some respect and it is always - always! - well received. Every girl I've met in Ukraine finds it hysterical that I speak Russian (I have a shocking accent when I speak quickly and sound like the guy from the CD when I speak slowly). Even if we communicate in English, they'll always be a point where she'll teach me a few Russian phrases. Any "relationship" - even in the P4P arena - is better when there is a degree of equity. The attitude of the girl is just better, she gets to feel a bit superior (or it shows some vulnerability on your half), she is more relaxed and it works....for me....although apparently only with girls "of lower class and quality". Man alive!! I can't actually believe you wrote that trash - I'm stuck in London for a while and I would chew my arm off this evening for any of the girls "of lower class and quality" I've met in Kiev, and I'm a picky bugger.

I won't be in Kiev for a while, but now it's easy for fellow WSGers to recognise me - I'm the English bloke in the club, speaking a bit of Russian, with some hideous, lower class chav on my arm!

Jetlagged
09-22-04, 22:58
Aynak,

The President Hotel lobby bar is full of hookers from about 10 onwards. For this reason bringing in girls is discouraged but $20 to security will cover that. Have a word with the security guy manning a pedestal desk beside front door first.

The girls who look after the rooms live on the floor level they work on. Some are very pretty and will do the deed for half the price the hookers want.

Vegamars
09-22-04, 23:11
My point for Ukrainian was not for Kiev as I've pointed out.

If you happen to pass through Lvov or any small city around, just ask any native citizen what he or she thinks about Russia, nothing to be ashamed of or to take personally.

What I've reported is all out of observations and perceptions from a wider angle, I don't intend to influence anyone with my personal thoughts and that's why I've never talked about some really surprising unexpected unpleasent incidents that have taken place in many countries.

Of course this point is worth mentioning in terms of mongering in the right manner.

Otherwise, everything would be so straightforward throughout every location in CIS and we would need just one single forum..

Roger Mellie
09-23-04, 05:19
Vegamars,

I can say exactly the opposit thing about Kharkov. If you try speaking Ukrainian in Kharkov, people will think you are a lower class cleaner or something similar from the western Ukraine. Kharkov, Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk and all the big industrial cities east of Kiev are practically 100% Russian speaking.

Iceberg Slim
09-23-04, 06:12
I really appreciated the discussions on the importance of learning Russian to score with girls.

Can the distinguished members of this forum share your experience on how you learned the language and how long it took you? Any particular programs.

Thanks

Best Sex
09-23-04, 07:47
In most of hotels in Kiev, you will encounter problem with security when you want to bring a girl into the hotel.

The best option is to rent private apartment. There are so many apartment rental business in Kiev. Some of them give you official receipts for you to use for your business trip.

If you want to rent very nice apartment in the center of Kiev, ask me the phone number. I don't know if I can post the number here.

Vegamars
09-23-04, 09:27
You're exactly right! The big cities on the east close to the Russian border such as Donetsk, Lugansk, Dniepropetrovsk, Zaporojzhe and Kharkov are much more interrelated with Russian.

Out of these places, especially Dniepropetrovsk and Lugansk are quite interesting and attractive in terms of hot girls.

TheGuyFromNY
09-24-04, 17:40
I learned Russian with Pimsleur. Works great to get started and learn enough to get around.

Snowy
09-26-04, 02:09
Chorfa1
I'm not a natural linguist and I found the CDs tough going and pretty boring as a way of learning Russian. I picked up one of the learn Russian books initially and just started learning words that might be useful. By doing this I got my vocab to 300 words fairly quickly or so and found that I was able to understand the gist of a lot of conversations when in EE and make myself understood. After that I started trading language lessons with some Russian friends living in London/Kiev/SPB and this improved my skills better than any other CD or book - it teaches you how to understand Russian speakers at natural conversation pace - Russians and Ukrainians just refuse to speak as clearly or slowly as those guys on the CD. bastards.

PP Tours
What you pay workers and what P4P costs just aren't comparable. I'm a bit bored of people quoting economic stats in relation to punting prices. P4P quoting works both ways - yes the average wage in Ukraine is much lower than other places in Europe/States, but then again the people coming into somewhere like Kiev also have a different frame of reference. An overnight in England costs $800 min, and $1700 is not a surprisingly high quote. With that in mind $2-300 sounds like a bargain - most of the pros are aware of this discrepancy. Pricing for out-of-towners is created by both demand and supply and the expectations of both parties. As long as there are enough people to pay $200 for a session, why should the girls charge less? I get as much out of my clients as I can too.

If you come to Kiev for P4P with the attitude that you'll just pay what you consider to be the appropriate price based on the average wage you'll have a fairly lonely time. You said that "a hundred bucks in Kiev will get you the best software engineer, with a PhD, and not for a night but for a week or two!" - ask him if you can fuck him for that money, and see what his response is!

In answer to your question about what a good night in Kiev costs - $30-40 will give you a great evening out - entry into a club or two, pay for the taxis, allow you to buy a few drinks for you and a new friend or two. You can do it for less, you can spend a lot more - depends what you want to do.

Typical P4P price from River Palace/Moda - $150 as standard - $50 either way depending on the time of the year, number of foreigners around, time of the month (if the girl needs money for rent, she won't blow a chance for a good earner - if she's had two $300 clients the last two nights, why would she screw a tightwad for $100 or less?). This sort of money may get you an all nighter or just a couple of hours - depends on the girl and your negotian skills. Dial in escorts are $70-100 for a couple of hours.

On the other hand the frebbie scene is fantastic if you're prepared to put the effort in and learn how to press the right buttons with the locals. Each country has cultural differences which are worth learning about to get to this aim...which is why talking about these sort of things across the forum is not BS!

Iceberg Slim
09-26-04, 07:03
Snowy,

You may not be a natural linguist but you are definitely a cunning linguist. Thanks for the info.

Member #2001
09-26-04, 09:08
I am sorry Snowey, but you are very wrong. Where I live you can get 2 girls for all nighters, in the states. I mean you are more then welcome to pay 300 dollars for an hour or two, but that im my opion is just plain wastefull.

It is very true that Ukraine is a very poor country, but the majority of the wealth is centralized in the capitol. Apartments for sale are about 1200 and 1700 per square meter in the dontown area, sometimes more that. The house I live in cost about the same, and I do not live in a slum. It is in a suburb of a major metropolitian city.

I use to pay about 6 dollars for pussy in Ukraine and they were not pad at all, real GFE. No rush, and they did almost everything I asked forl. This was not a fluke. I use to get that type of service all the time in Ukraine. All thie girls know, that in Kiev, because its the capatial (thats where the money is). and that there arr too many ineestranzi there, that they can pretty much charge what every they want to and people will pay it. At least the torist will pay for it, but. I dont know too many locals that would pay 300 dollars for a couple of hours of pussy. Really, I hear this and I really am in shock that people would actually pay that much money for something like that.

I read the Argientianian boards alot and for top grade pussy (model type), it cost about 150 to 200 pesos. Its like 50 dollars for an hour or too. I understand that the latin women there are hot, and totaly preformers. It really makes me wonder why forieners are so wastefull? I remember I did have sex with some escorts in Kiev a while ago and I though that was expensive. It was about 30 dollars. That was before all the ineestranzi came and destroyed the market. The sex I had was nothing special. I am not sure if it was just my bad luck or what, but I would only rate them as average. Who am I to say anything about it? I am gratefull for the Americians boosting the local economy, because I know that the average Ukrainian knows what its like not to have money, and knows the value of a dollar. Really, thes people can make something from nothing. Anything to improve the standard of living there is fine by me. I have a certian fondness for the people that live there. I just would never pay 300 dollars to anyone for sex, ever and I never will (well maybe if there were Janet Jackson or Penolobe Cruz, I might thingk about it).

Not even in a major city in the US would I pay such prices. Hell, I use to love Amsterdam, but even that is too expensive for me now. Besides, its like a fuck factory there. Most of the girls just want to kick you out after 15 minutes. I can imagine thats what the mentality will be like for the girls, in kiev soon. If people will pay crazy amounts of money for a few hours of sex, even if there is no garrentee that it will be a GFE, then I am afraid that Kiev will be just like other mongering place in westen Europe where the girls try to get rid of you as fast as possible. Its a shame, but if the girls can get it, then more power to them.

Just my opion.

Snowy
09-26-04, 11:38
Member2001

We're actually in complete agreement! This is not a local board, and I think most the people who read this forum will not be able to get local prices. I'm not disputing that local prices are more in line with the economy - of course they are - but these prices are not really available to foreigners. I wasn't discussing whether the prices were "correct", I was just saying that these were the prices as this was what the market will pay and that, from the girl's perspective, I understand why they charge as much as they can.

As you said, in Kiev the market prices have been screwed up by increased foreigners coming in, but that is the reality (sorry on behalf of all us to you locals!). I was answering the guys query about the actual prices, and I was trying to point out that to apply a simple economic model based on average wages wasn't realistic. As you mentioned, this is not unique to Kiev - the prices in Argentina are also not in line with the economy and this is true of many other countries (especially the bigger cities).

From an outsider's perspective, I don't think Kiev is screwed up P4P. As long as you need a visa - and that the visa is a pain to get - that Ukraine will not be overrun with foreigners; to understand what it could be like with simpler access go to Tallin and to a lesser extent Riga and Vilnius.

I still say, for the travelling monger, there is no better place to go for quality and opportunity and that without too much effort you'll end with great looking, intelligent and fun ladies with little financial outlay.

Vegamars
09-26-04, 12:30
As long as there will always be unconscious and desperate mongerers, the prices will eventually increase in a straight upward directions everywhere in the world, no matter what the special conditions are or no matter how poor the economy is.

Ukraine might be poor on the whole, but as in every country there's an uncredibly rich class especially in Kiev.

I've seen many local guys ready to spend thousands of dollars on a single girl, not knowing how their relation would turn out to be.

Though the prices have risen up in the past couple of years and will soon boost up to incredible levels, the good thing about Ukraine and Kiev is that it's still possible to find decent girls ( especially students) for 30-50 bucks for 1-2 hours.

The same prices apply even for some decent agencies like gia ( after a little negotiation and usually after 1st time-- I know that their standard price for 1hr is 60-70 bucks)

There are and there will always be enough ways of exceptions if you're patient enough and this is the good adventurous attractive side of Kiev.

What is more, you've always got the optional freebie scene with the all-time-guaranteed-stable-rate !!!!

Pacific Creek
09-26-04, 19:13
Besides the CD's which may or may not work for you, you could try looking at the local universities. Since the Curtain came down, there are more and more foreign exchange students attending local universities and community colleges.

If you contact the local university in your area, say you are interested in learning russian and are there any russian exchange students who they could recommend as tutors.

This does two things. First, it gets you one on one with someone who is fluent in the language and also get you valuable tips on the local customs as well.

This helps you avoid doing something that may be against local customs which could see you go home empty handed or get into
an argument with someone that could end the wrong way.

Learning some of the local language and customs does help open up more doors than it closes because it shows respect. Something they don't see a lot of.

Giorgio04
09-28-04, 08:06
Dear fellow mongers,

I will be visiting Kiev around the 10th of october with a couple of friends, and I would like some informations please. First of all I understand that the best choice is to find a nice appartment instead of a hotel, is uaapartments reliable? I checked but they told me that as we are going to stay only 3 nights they cannot guarantee us the specific apartment. Do you have any other suggestions? (we are looking only for super luxury ones as when we travel, men's only, we want to do it in style).

What about places to go, River palace is top quality for models type girls? Any other? Also I would like to ask about escort agencies reliable, and that girls are really the ones showing on the site., as we would like some action during the day too. or maybe any other suggestions for mongering during the day.

Lastly I would like to know if someone can recommend me trendy and upscale restaurants and bars and also clubs where locals go, not necessarely with pros, but trendy crowds, upscale and with possibility that the ladies may speak english a little, trendy freebies.

Thanks alot for your help, looking forward for my trip and hope to write a full report on my experiences there

George

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to capitalize the word "I". To avoid future delays, please use a capital "I" to refer to yourself in future reports. Thanks!

Nanto71
09-29-04, 20:20
Last month I visited Kiev for 3 night I rented an apartment in the center of the city It cost me 50$ a day good quality. My friend's girlfriend rented the apartment for me (She's Ukrainian) I haven't contact. I can give you this web address http: //www. alserent. kiev. ua/ I visited River Palace twice I had only 3 night to spend in Kiev so I preferred go in a sure place. The entrance cost 30 or 50 depend the day, the entrance at week end is more expensive. The place has 3 floor:

Downstairs there is a video bar, the first floor has a disco and some slotmachines, Up stairs there is a casino. The leady are everywhere but especially in the disco. The girls don't approach you, you have to to do the first step. The price starting from 150$.

A girl asked me 250$ but at the end I gave her 150$. River palace haven't bed rooms you have to bring them in your apartment.

I stayed with 2 girls in different days, I paid both 150$ for 2-3 hours. The first one was quite could, but the second one was good, uncovered BJ, french kiss. I went in Disco too, "Caribbean Club" Most of the girls there are no prof. it's very easy to approach them but you need time to go to bed.

Bye

Rendorseg
09-29-04, 20:57
Question to the Kiev gurus----> I have heard that winter can be a good time for River Palace (students, etc...) BUT if I go there between Xmas and New Years will the place be dead due to the holidays (girls visiting family, etc....)???

Giorgio - Most of your questions will be answered if you do your homework and read over past posts. Relative to those uaapamts and other such agencies they can be a bit flaky sometimes but they really ought to be able to promise you a definite place, if they can't then try another outfit.

Spaceebah bolshoi.

Frenchy Couple
09-29-04, 21:07
My wife and I had a great time in KIEV, 5 days in April 2004.
Thousands of beautiful girls in the streets, wearing sexy clothes.
I just want to strongly recommand an escort agency, which is very serious and reliable compared to average ones.

It's called StarsFromHeaven. Lola, the manager of the website, is a very helpful girl.

We had 2 meetings with an incredible girl called Marianna, a girl who really loves sex in many different ways.

We also met Irma, which was quite disappointing.

A 3 hours date costed 200 euros.

I could also recommand a night club called Modabar, where there is like 90% of women. Just ask a taxi, it's the trendiest club right now in the city center, on the docks.

Frenchycouple

Vegamars
09-29-04, 21:35
The Christmas in Ukraine is only on January 7th instead of December 24th.

There are also some national holidays during the first two weeks of January, so there's a long siesta starting on New Year till January 14th which is celebrated wildly throughout the country.

During that period most girls will be away in hotter places either around Crimea or in other countries in the south.

Hence, the period between Catholic Christmas and New Year is not so bad, but I would prefer to go after the third week of January when all the chicks are back for university.

Rendorseg
09-30-04, 00:13
Oh, Guru, I bow to thee in thanks.

Studly77
10-01-04, 03:25
Well, I just read the report about Ukrainian holidays around the beginning of January. I am planing a trip in January but I won't arrive until at least January 18th. How is that when it comes to women? What are the alternatives or places to go?

Royal21
10-03-04, 04:06
I was looking for air tickets to India, AeroSvit came in as one of the options and they offer a free stop over in Kiev. So seems like i can finally make it to Kiev this year (dec 28 - jan 2).

Couple of questions, please point me to old posts if they have been answered already.

1. How serious is the introduction from ukrainian travel agency/ hotel? Can i get a letter from a hotel in kiev for all 5 days stay but later on move to Odessa or elsewhere? I once got marriott to reserve a hotel for me in vienna, and i got the visa with the confirmation. I cancelled that reservation without any penalty, after i got the visa. No one checked.

(Just that I will like to keep my program flexible)

2. I am going to get my visa on my own from the embassy. looked like a pretty straighforward thing. 9 days from the embassy, with a complete form and letter from travel agency in ukraine. But the emabssy told me that i can only get a single or multiple entry tourist visa. How do you all manage 5 year business visas?

3. What places should be avoided during Dec 28 - Jan 2? I amassuming that , it will be holidays in universities.

4. I am planning to visit both kiev and odessa. Mongering is fine but I like to see the country too. Especially beautiful buildings in kiev and the black sea coast in odessa. How should i split my brief stay?

5. What is a good gift, to take for someone in ukraine? (say for a business associate or if i get invited to someone's home for dinner)

6. How is aerosvit as an airline? especially on the transatlantic route?
Thanks in advance.

Vegamars
10-04-04, 14:14
I went right in Serenda at 2a.m last night as soon as I was back from Bodrum.

The place was flooded with girls and only a few guys at that time of the night.

The new pick was a slim tall 21-year-old, black-haired Romanian with a real pretty face that I had been following around for a long time around 3.30 a.m and it was really worth it.

Rendorseg
10-04-04, 15:05
Vegamars-
Don't recall hearing about Serenda - a bar, or what?
Rendorseg

Vegamars
10-04-04, 15:24
I wrote it on purpose to wake you gus all up!!

Are you all sleeping?? At least you're not!!!

Serenda is in Istanbul..

Have any of you visited Mandarin Bar lately?? You'll be really surprised if you go there after 2 a.m

Vegamars
10-04-04, 15:32
Aerosveet is quite a serious company with a good service..

The period from December30th till January14th is the worst time for mongering in Ukraine.

The longest interval you can get a multiple entry visa for Ukraine is 2 years, but that's only restricted to a few countries that Ukraine has close relations with.

As for a comparison, if you wanna get a long-term visa for Belarus or Russia, you've gotto be living there permanently and you can only apply within the country to receive it for a max one year after a long procedure.

If you wanna explore Ukraine, you should head for Crimea, Yalta, Lvov and Donetsk in addition to Kiev rather than Odessa, which is just a small ordinary city by the sea.

Roger Mellie
10-04-04, 17:29
For some bizarre reason, Americans (and only Americans) can get 5 year multi entry business visas

Rendorseg
10-04-04, 17:33
Vegamars
I think you had one too many shots of pepper Horilka when writing that field report, but that's OK. Rather than being in Kiev during the holidays I'm heading to hotter tropical climes. (I do miss my little spinner acrobatic gymnast though....)
Poka
Rendorseg

GandJim
10-04-04, 18:41
royal21,

Maximum visa duration depends on visa arrangements between Ukraine and your country of citizenship and your country of residence, and these arrangements differ significantly.

The lucky guys getting a 5 year visa are US citizens. However, although the "5 year" is still mentioned on the web site of The Ukraine Embassy in Washington DC (click here (http://www.ukraineinfo.us/consular/visas.html#duration)), for some reasons several web visa services now propose only 3 years, for example here (http://www.ukraine-visa.com/visa_fees.php) and here (http://www.gotorussia.com/visa_services_ukraine.htm).

For other citizens, it partly also depends on in which country you file your application. For example, I'm Swiss, and got only a 6 month visa when I filed my application in the US some years ago, while now in France they give me one year.

edited: Didn't see RM's post while I was typing mine. Sorry for being repetitive :D

BigthDikth
10-05-04, 09:00
So, I just got back from Kiev and I will say the girls at the strip club in the Dnipro Hotel are the hottest girls I have ever seen at any strip club. Every girl's body was a 10. Now don't get me wrong, there were girls with big tits, little tits, tall bodies, short bodies, flat asses, button asses, etc. but every one of them was over the top hot. And just about every one of them had a beautiful face. I like a nice face on a woman and I was completely happy with the faces I saw at that club. Maybe it was the beer, maybe it was the lighting or maybe the atmosphere but the women at that club were spectacular. I could have sat for hours and watch them dance around that pole (and I did!)

I asked the bouncer what it costs to take one of them home and was told $400.00. When I am rich and famous I know what I am going to get myself for Christmas!!

After sitting at that club I went to River Palace.

I have been reading about River Palace for way too long and I was ready for the most beautiful women that Kiev had to offer at the low price of $150.00 for the night. Now maybe it was because I got there too late or maybe it was my high expectations or maybe it was because I had spent the last 4 hours watching the girls at the Hotel Dnipro strip cub but I was not happy with the selection at River Palace. Average at best! But average is sometimes pretty damn good because the last night in Kiev I brought home, from River Palace, a girl that could not get enough dick. I mean she came 5 or 6 times each time we had sex. And even after I came and she came for the last time she still was working it just so she can feel dick inside her. If you guys ever meet a short, dirty blonde haired girl that sometimes stutters, grab her, for she is a fuckinahalf!

Now for something of use. My big complaint about the board is no new news. A lot of mental masturbation but no new info. so I will now add to the board some info. that will actually help people get laid in Kiev and not just be the crappola that I have been reading about for the last bunch of months (please do not be offended if you were the one writing all that crappola for I've had a couple of beers and know not what I write) So here is the new info. that I have never seen on this board. I found the best deal to be the exotic massages that are advertised in the back of one of the English language newspapers. $30 to $40. No sex but a wonderful hour with a great ending. There, some info. I have not read about. Some new info. added to the board! Now if someone reads my post looking for info. on getting laid in Kiev he (or she) will not have completely wasted his (or her) time! You other guys should always do the same with your posts. Quit holding back on info. Who cares about apartments, hotels, visas, airlines, taxis, buses, sewer systems and which street has the most beautiful architecture if you are not getting laid!

I want to live in Kiev. I have found if you are going to stay in Kiev for a while you can have your pick of the litter. It is truly amazing what the girls of Kiev will give you if you are going to stay. They are looking for a green card, they are looking for a rich westerner to take care of them and the children you and they are going to have, they are looking for a westerner to take care of them or they are looking for a westerner to show off to to all their girlfriends. Minimum, worst-case scenario, you are arm candy! I am not kidding. I am in my 40s and I am arm candy to hot girls who are 21. Jesusmotherfuckinchrist I love this city! And the last thing I am going to say (I promise it will not be insulting to anyone) is LEARN TO SPEAK RUSSIAN!! It will open many doors!

So I want to thank all of you for your contributions that helped me in my travels and I hope that I helped you in your quest. Best Regards, BD

Member #3411
10-05-04, 17:32
Hello Everyone,

This will be my first post so I would like to start with thanking Jackson and all the contributors to the Forum from which I have greatly benefited.

Just came back from Kiev from a 3 day visit. Nothing much new to add, the first night met a girl I've known from the net, had a nice dinner, went to a couple of bars. At one point, it became evident that it was going to be hard to get laid at the first date so I went to RP around 2.30 am, picked an average girl for $ 100, brought back to Hotel Rus, very friendly doormans, tipped them $ 10 and we were up in the room in a sec. She was average in bed but very cuddly, she didnot even want to go in the morning but i needed some sleep.

Second night (sunday), I was determined to make up for the average start by picking a stunner. At that point, I made a strategic mistake and went to RP again. I thought I was only playing safe, but to my horror there were more guys than girls, saw only three VERY hot babes, the first picked up instantly for an ask price of $ 200. I hit for the second, a 22 year old student, she started with $ 200, we ended on $ 150, but later on she came to me and said she can not come alone, she has this friend with her and they need to go back home together so I should take them both for $ 150 each. Her friend was below average so I passed. Hit on the third gem, again a student of 20 year old, gorgeous body, after some chat I brough up the subject, she said OK, went to the bar to pick her bag but at that second a guy she was talking earlier offered her $ 200 and she blow me off. I dont know maybe it was not only the money, maybe my attitude was bad, I was under time pressure, I was drunk and I had forgotten that this was only supposed to be fun. Anyway lost enthusiasm and head back to the hotel empty handed.

Third night, not wanting to repeat the same mistakes, I asked for some expert help from Vegamars, Rendorseg and Snowy, thank you all guys, decided on Gia for a short time which turned out to be one of the greatest fucks in my life..strongly recommend it, they are very professional, the girl i had picked enjoyed sex so much and the money you spent well worth it compared to the amateur hookers that you meet at RP, IMHO of course.

Now, Kiev has become one of my favorite places in the planet, I think Ukranian women are priceless. My god, those short skirts, super sexy legs, stunning smiling faces will fill my dreams for a while and I am already planning to go back there in April, rent a studio and enjoy the beauties.

But first, Thailand in November :)

Cheers,

Atre

Vegamars
10-05-04, 21:07
Looking for a westerner to take care of them in Kiev??

That's been very true, but about 10-12 years ago...

I hope you're aware of the economical development,number of rich people and the average income of the girls in Kiev..

The statistical figures don't reveal the whole scene cause most of the capital both in the country and circulating abroad is out of record.

River Palace is the most famous place for mongering, but certainly it doesn't reflect the best quality, especially after 2.30 a.m.

Alternatively, places like Zair, Joss, Mandarin, etc. enable to encounter freebies as well as semi-pros.

Millenium ( strip club in Dnipro ) is quite an attractive place, but if you consider the girls there as the hottest and most valuable, i cannot imagine how you would compare the much better opportunities..

Studly77
10-06-04, 03:27
I am planning to go from Warsaw to Ukraine, but I hear that some car rentals due not allow you to go from Poland to the FSU or Ukraine. Can someone shed some light on that?

It shoulds like the women are great looking, short skirts and great leggs, but the price seems a bit high at $150- 200

I could get a women here for less. Where are the hot spot that always seem to have women?

BigthDikth
10-06-04, 06:14
Hey Big V, It was just that all I had to do was open my mouth and start talking and the girls would react in such a way that it was truly amazing!!! I don't dress like I am rich so I thought it was because I was an American but maybe it was me. Thanks for the ego boast!!!

What strip club has girls so much hotter than the girls at the Millenium club? I love seeing beautiful girls take off their clothes!! It is one of my favorite things to view. The sexier the better! And if there are strip clubs that have girls that are more beautiful than the club at the Dnipro, OH MY GOD! PLEASE TELL US!!!!

Primo Bolan
10-06-04, 07:47
Hi Atreides75!

Are you an intelligent guy? 200$ for a girl in Kiev?

I just walked up to one on Krysh and started to chat and got laid the next night. I think people like you are the biggest problem when travelling around. There are always people who throw around there money and destroys the market.

What I'm saying is that you can get a girl in Ukraine just buying her a dinner.

Primo

Vegamars
10-06-04, 11:16
The quality of GIA has increased very much recently just like the good old days..

It serves a very good opportunity for those who wanna go for the guaranteed service and experience and you'll never be disappointed if you focus on especially the blondes in the agency.

The hot spots for strip bars and possible action are Bingo, Matrix, Chicago, F1, Hollywood, Zair, Saigon, Velvet, Studio54, Joss, Step by Step, Split, Evrika and Cabaret.

An alternative place for erotic massage and more is

anahata.kiev.ua

BigthDikth
10-06-04, 11:29
So those strip clubs are that much hotter than the Dnipro? WOW!!! Can't wait! I guess every girl in thoses clubs would be a 10!!!!! You De Man Big V!!!

Vegamars
10-06-04, 12:08
Dobra utrau!!

The selections that Kiev has to offer are endless and there's always a better choice.. vsegda

Rastaman
10-06-04, 15:00
Vegamars,

If you could only go to one of the clubs below, which one would you go to in terms of most beautiful ladies on a consistant basis???

Bingo, Matrix, Chicago, F1, Hollywood, Zair, Saigon, Velvet, Studio54, Joss, Step by Step, Split, Evrika and Cabaret.

Vegamars
10-06-04, 15:34
Zair is a very interesting place located in the forest outside the city with a hotel near it.

Joss also has quite an attractive atmosphere.

Considering all, there's not so much difference between all these places in terms of good quality and possibilities of mongering.

Moreover,all of these also have disco sections full of youngsters of 18-21 age range.

Vegamars
10-06-04, 15:40
If you think Polish girls are just the same, then there's no reason to go for Ukraine at all.

Let me remind you to take a look at gia.com.ua just for a comparison for the millionth time... 50-60 bucks for the hour..

NeilSydney
10-06-04, 19:02
Atreides75,

Just out of interest, who did you go for at Gia?

BigthDikth
10-06-04, 19:57
V- So if all those clubs have about the same quality in girls where's the ones that you were talking about that are so much better than the girls at the strip club at the Dnipro Hotel?

BigthDikth
10-06-04, 20:48
Big v I'm beginning to think that you were just belittling my report...

Vegamars
10-06-04, 21:09
You can presume it in any way you wish..

I just warn you about even better places and it's up to you whether you wanna visit or not...

The most special thing about Kiev is that there's never a best but always a bester..

Baro Clinic
10-06-04, 21:58
Hey Folks,

Been lurking here quite awhile and most everything that could be said has been said on this board but I thought I would add a few items for those who may have more time to spend in Kiev to check out the more 'local' scene.

I live in Kiev but I am back in the US for a few weeks on business. I have a steady Ukrainian girl friend now so I have kinda slowed a bit on the PFP Kiev scene. But along that line I always had a great experience at a Strip Club/Sauna called The Queen Bee in Obelon. 5 Malinovskogo St.l Excellent selection of girls and sauna prices are reasonable. 150 hrv for sauna and another 250 hrv for full service. More on the Queen Bee, PM me.

As far as local clubs (non-strip) in addition to the ones that Vega has so elloquently covered, I found much success both pro and especially non-pro at any of Eric's bars. Art Club 44, 111, and of course Eric Bierstraube. Many women looking for ex-pat action there and they come there knowing that is what they are going to find. Best advice is hook up with a local ex-pat (we are not hard to find as you can spot a foreigner in Kiev a mile away) and go from there. Most are more than willing to help a visitor provided that you keep the secrets of Kiev just that...a secret! It is definately the best city in the world. For many reasons.

I enjoy the posts here and if I can help at all, PM me.

J

BigthDikth
10-07-04, 07:39
Ok, I'll take you as a person who does not belittle other people's reports. So, where is (or are) this strip club (or clubs) where the girls are so much hotter than the Dnipro Hotel strip club?

Vegamars
10-07-04, 11:44
Zair, Joss, Chicago and Hollywood are the most appealing ones as far as I can see.

Any taxi driver would know the places, so it's not a problem to find out the locations.

Member #3411
10-07-04, 11:58
Primo Bolan,

I guess you didnt get it right. I did not pay anyone $ 200. I know very well that you can do it for a dinner or for free but it was my first time in Kiev, been there for only 3 nights and i did not have any time to waste!

Neilsydney. it was Rita.
2 hours $ 100
3 hours $ 130

Can you the tell no of the English speaking operator if you need it, just pm me.

BigthDikth
10-07-04, 17:30
So all thoses clubs are full of girls that put the Dnipro club girls to shame?

Mr More
10-07-04, 17:52
having finally received my posting privileges today, i will start with a thank you to all of you. i read the many past posts leading up to my visit to kiev last week. it prepared me for a number of things which i will share, as it verifies some and adds to a few other reports.

i was on business and did not have a choice on accomodations. i was at the president hotel kievsky. the hotel is dull as hell, has a strip club called night air that is way overpriced, and a casino that reminded me of being in church. however, at 10 pm sharp, a stream of girls arrive in the lobby bar(some go downstairs to casino). my 7 nights of quality checks reveals that they range from fat and smelly(no, she did not get to my room) to tall and very sexy(yes, she did).

automatic pricing - $150 euro for 3 hours. that's what they say. they pay security. you do not. i told every single one who talked to me that $150 euro was too much. three out of four offered discounts - $100 euro for same time. i took the offer twice, each time approx 1 am. in both cases i got my three hours and woke up for an extra hit in the morning. by 4am they just didn't want to leave. with these girls you do not have to pay security, but you do have to give your room number, which they in turn "register" with security. i had no problems at all, but just beware. youngest age in lobby bar - 25. so if you want the teens, this isn't the place.

first girl - viola - tall, long dark hair, excellent english speaker. starts out great and finishes even better if you treat her nice and eat a lot of pussy. believe me, my tongue brought me extra extra extra. (first taste of kiev)

second girl - anna(sixth night in kiev) - maybe 27,28. not that great looking but not heavy or smelly. what she lacked in age and looks, she made up in creativity. a very anal lady, she massaged the inside of my rectum while sucking away(something i like), and then she flipped and actually asked for it up the ass. she had lubed herself, she was ready and she had more lube if needed(very unusual in my experience where yes they do anal but no they have no lube). again, anna stayed to morning and gave me a great blow job to start the day.

i did not get phone numbers because i knew where to find them if i wanted them again.

so what about the other five nights? vegamars asked in a recent post if anyone had been to mandarin lately. that would be me! i skipped all of the strip clubs, i skipped rp, etc and went into mandarin. if you don't like euro techno music, the place will drive you crazy! the 2 nights i went, i arrived right at 12. (early, i know.) but having never been there i was checking it out so as to have time to go to another club if needed.

first night, i was sitting on my stool at the bar ogling the 15 girls rep001tered along both bars by the dance floor. two girls got up and started dancing with each other - youngsters. one blonde, one gothic black. the blonde waved me out to dance so i did. we danced maybe 10 minutes and i found out they both spoke decent english. i excused myself and went back to sit down. i got mobbed by one girl after another asking me to dance. (there were maybe 6 other guys but nobody was dancing.) i danced off and on for about an hour. finally i danced with the first two again and asked the blonde if she wanted to come to the hotel for the night. she said yes, for $150 dollars, but her friend must also come for $150. (sound familiar?) i smiled and told her that they were both beautiful but that was just too much money. she stepped over and talked to her friend and then stepped back and asked if $100 dollars each was too much.

now all of this talk about prices going up in kiev is certainly true. but what i was looking at was(i found out later for sure) an 18 year old black haired beauty and a 19 year old blonde hottie.(i am 48). i'm sorry, but there isn't a dick on this board who would have said no.

at the hotel i had to pay security $20 dollars. he never asked me for room number. naturally the girls turned on mtv equivalent as soon as we got there. off came all clothes and into the shower we all went.....i am not going to fill pages with the rest. suffice it to say they had a dozen condoms between them and all of them got used between 2am and 2pm. (yes there was some sleep.) the girls were diligent about not sharing a condom but didn't hesitate to switch places whether sucking or fucking. i had my face constantly buried in one pussy or another, one ass or another. i never had to try to put my cock anywhere, it was taken well care of by them. i got their phone numbers and off they went in the afternoon. i then slept the rest of the evening.

my second visit to the mandarin was partly to see if alesia and anna were part of the every night crowd. they were not. i ended up taking a girl named oksana back to the hotel with me for $100 dollars. low level english. we had a nice 3 hours, and she was in no hurry. i was stunned when as i was cumming, she whipped off the condom and took my load in her mouth. she said she wanted to taste my "milk". no, she did not swallow.

i took a night off next day. then i called anna and alesia and we had another all nighter. same deal. they are so good and so enjoyable as people, let alone sex partners, i asked to spend my last night with me also. i had late checkout, so we drank, ate, danced, fucked and sucked all night. these young girls were awesome.

what do i think of kiev? like that needs an answer. i did my share for the economy without driving up the price. there is no where in the world i wouldn't pay the prices i did for the service i got. always negotiate, no matter what your dick is telling you. i would also say, have no fear of the security at the president hotel. they were decent and reasonable. i always walked the girls to taxis when they were leaving to be sure security didn't hit them for a second contribution.

i live in tbilisi, republic of georgia. i am going to start posting for tbilisi also. i figured i would cover kiev in one note. tbilisi will earn me senior membership!

Vegamars
10-08-04, 09:16
I'm so glad that at last someone has tried out a more natural place like Mandarin, it will surely inspire you to addiction..

All clubs such as Mandarin, Zair, F1, Dinos( right across Dnipro on Kreschatik) , Joss, etc can drive you crazy with the hot girls of the 18-22 year range.

Moreover, they don't necessarily expect you to pay in large sums or to pay at all.??..

Gia is the cheapest alternative compared to quality for the shy, lazy or inconfident guys and you can find the contact no via the website.

It's also quite possible to make prearrangement via email, but the charge shouldn't exceed 70-80 bucks for 2hrs.

Besides most girls are hot and open to BBBBBBJJTCTC and Greek.

Bob Dobbs
10-09-04, 03:28
I want to correct one thing I saw in the forum regarding Americans receiving 5 year multi-entry business visas. I'm American and I did ask for, and receive, a 5 year ME visa as a tourist. I considered checking "business" on the application but figured it would only lead to more Qs from cold 'n clammy immigration folks. So at least in one case this is possible.

Royal21
10-09-04, 23:27
As per the suggestions on the board, i have been in email conversation with Alonya from www.alserent.kiev.ua appartments.

I do not have a USA passort and will require a invitation from Alonya for the stay.

I have in all of 5 nights in ukraine ( Dec 28 - Jan 2) and i do not want to spend all of them in kiev. Alonya can send me a letter only if i stay at his apartments in kiev for 4 days.

Help me out with other suggestions.

How can I get an invitation for 6 day / 5 night stay in Ukraine but not limited to stay in one particular city.

Help appreciated.

Volpone
10-10-04, 12:13
If you are from Europa or USA, you could get a private visa and you don't need an invitation.

If you are from another nationality, you need an invitation or a tourist voucher.

Vegamars
10-10-04, 12:26
Especially if you're about to visit Ukraine for the first time, I'd advise you to get a business visa ( can be even for 15 days for instance ) to avoid long awaiting or unnecessary conversations at the passport and customs check points.

Except for a few countries closely interrelated with Ukraine, everyone needs a sort of invitation for a touristic visa.

However, unlike Belarus, Moldova or Russia, you're not obliged to register if you're staying in an apartment, just like I've never done in my so many visits.

Moreover, you're completely free to travel within the country to any location as you like.

As far as I'm concerned, Ukraine is the most comfortable country in CIS in terms of receiving both touristic and business visas and in terms of travelling around without any distress or hassles.

As a cheaper and more comfortable alternative to arranging apartments and much more, I'd advise you to contact agencies like gia.com.ua which would gladly serve you for visas, apartments guides ( of course I'm talking about one of their hot girls acting as a guide, interpreter and more day and night).

Rabo Verde
10-10-04, 12:37
Vegamars, that website looks very interesting for a first-timer. Have you dealt with them? Are the pix of the girls accurate? Are there similar all-inclusive agencies? THX!

gia.com.ua

Our girls are:
TONIA,POLINA,ALLA,ZHENJA,SONIA,YANA,NASTIA,LARISA,MILA,KARINA,VLADISLAVA,RITA,DIANA,KSYUSHA,DASHA:
1 hour- 70 $
2 hours- 100 $
3 hours- 130 $
4 hours- 160 $
10 hours- 200 $
24 hours- 350 $
48 hours and more- discount!!!
* Oral without condom (TONIA,POLINA,ALLA,ZHENJA,SONIA,YANA,LARISA,RITA,DIANA,MILA,KSYUSHA)
* Anal +20 $ (TONIA,POLINA,YANA,RITA,DASHA,LARISA)
* Lesbi + 20 $(TONIA,POLINA,ALLA,ZHENJA,YANA,NASTIA,LARISA,KARINA,RITA,VLADISLAVA,DIANA,MILA,KSYUSHA)
* An apartment for meeting 20$ - 30$
* 1 $USD = 5,50 UAH

Vegamars
10-10-04, 12:59
I've tried the agency in the past, but not the particular girls of now, as they're changing all the time.

I can guarantee you that the girls are even better than they look in the pictures and their behaviour is decent all the time.

You could also go for uaescort.com for independent girls who are more open to bargaining compared to the agencies.

Ludovico
10-10-04, 13:39
Here are the rules for visas, freshly copied from the Ukrainian Embassy web-site.

INVITATIONS
For Business Visa (Single/Double entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Slovak Republic, Swiss Confederation, Republic of Turkey and the United States of America who apply for business, private, scientific, sport and cultural visas do not require a letter of invitation from Ukraine.

Nationals of all other countries require invitation to travel to Ukraine. Each application should be accompanied by a letter of invitation from the relevant Ukrainian company or organization (a faxed copy may be accepted). The invitation should state full name of the applicant and the purpose of journey.

In respect of companies which have already opened their representative office or have established joint ventures in Ukraine, visas may be issued on the basis of the letter, issued by such a company. The letter should state the nature and purpose of business conducted in Ukraine, contain the details of the Ukrainian business partner involved, quote the number of the registration certificate issued by the relevant Ukrainian authorities.
For Business Visa (Multiple Entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Slovak Republic, Swiss Confederation, Republic of Turkey and the United States of America who apply for business, private, scientific, sport and cultural visas do not require a letter of invitation from Ukraine.

Nationals of all other countries require invitation to travel to Ukraine. It is obligatory to present a detailed letter of invitation from Ukraine together with a detailed letter from the applicant's employer. Both letters should state the nature and purpose of business conducted in Ukraine and explain the necessity of issuing a multiple entry visa. Copy of a registration certificate of a company or representative office in Ukraine should be enclosed. Visa may be valid for up to one year.

Technical assistance applications should be accompanied by a letter from the Ministry of Economy, which is responsible for registration of all technical assistance projects.
For Private Visa (Single/Double/Multiple Entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Slovak Republic, Swiss Confederation, Republic of Turkey and the United States of America who apply for business, private, scientific, sport and cultural visas do not require a letter of invitation from Ukraine.

Nationals of all other countries require invitation to travel to Ukraine. Each application should be accompanied by a letter of invitation issued by the Passport and Immigration Department of a local Police Station in Ukraine (a faxed copy may be accepted).
For Tourist Visa (Single/Double Entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Swiss Confederation and United States of America who apply for the tourist visa can present a round trip ticket by any Ukrainian airline company as a confirmation of the tourist purpose of their visit to Ukraine.

Each application should be accompanied by a hotel booking confirmation (tourist voucher) received from a hotel in Ukraine. It should include the full name of a person and the period for which booking has been made (a fax copy may be accepted).

You could find a hotel in Ukraine and make a booking in some of them through "All Ukrainian Hotels" or "All-Hotels" informational websites.
For Permanent Residence (Single Entry)
Each application should be accompanied by original Permission for Permanent Residence in Ukraine, issued by a local governmental executive body.
For Employment Visa (Single Entry)
Each application should be accompanied by the Work Permit, issued by the Ministry of Employment of Ukraine.
For Student Visa (Single Entry)
Each application should be accompanied by the original of letter of invitation from the University/College or by a letter from the Ministry of Education of Ukraine.
For Representative of Religious Mission Visa (Single/Double/Multiple Entry)
Each application should be accompanied by a letter of invitation from a Ukrainian religious organization which is accepted by the State Department of Ukraine for Religion Matters.
For Humanitarian Aid Visa (Single/Double/Multiple Entry)
Each application should be accompanied by a letter of invitation from the organization which is the recipient of the humanitarian aid and a letter of support from the Commission for Delivery and Distribution of Humanitarian Aid which is a special department of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine (a faxed copy may be accepted).

Royal21
10-10-04, 20:25
Dear Vegamars and Ludovico. Thank you for your inputs.

I liked the apartments offered by gia. I am going to send them an email to send me 6 day letter of invitation. But I will spend some days on the black sea coast also.

From Vegamars earlier posts I get the idea that this letter thing is just a formality from the old soviet days. And that no one cross checks it, once I get the visa.

Please do correct me if I assumed wrong, otherwise thanks for the info. Hopefully I will have some good pictures and stories to share when I come back.

R21

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to capitalize the word "I". To avoid future delays, please use a capital "I" to refer to yourself in future reports. Thanks!

Royal21
10-10-04, 21:00
Came across this girl from uaescorts

http://www.uaescort.com/ads/index.php?ct=kiev&md=details&id=608

She looks lovely with a sweet smile. just my type.

Has anyone been with her?

Lotus
10-11-04, 23:18
Hotels vs apartments?

Will be in Kiev shortly, two days leisure, two days work. I will need a hotel for the work part of the trip.

Any suggestions for a nice, business style hotel where i won't have problems with security?

Should I try this on the weekend, or do an apartment for the firs two days and then a hotel for the rest.

Suggestions?

Thanks much...

Vegamars
10-12-04, 09:35
There's only one real 5-star hotel in town, namely Premier Palace and only one real 4-star hotel, Dnipro.

I've always preferred Dnipro when I didn't stay in an apertment and never encountered any problems with the security.

You'll not face such a problem unless you show some sort of hesitation in your actions.

Don't forget to make the reservation by way of business so as to receive a discount and you could also get an extra discount for the weekends.

Roger Mellie
10-12-04, 18:41
Magnus

I like her tits

Bez Bezarra
10-13-04, 00:10
Yes and so you should Mr. Rogers, they were quite fkoosna!

I'm afraid the camera doesn't do them true justice,
they really were fresh and tasty.

Well, its my pleasure to bring to you
my new friend Tanya, a nice lady.
Quiet and sweet, but not very excitable.

She expects you to provide her with a modest
gift after she spends some of her time helping
you to relax in her busy hectic city.

Lotus
10-13-04, 20:25
Any reviews of the Premier Palace Hotel? Girl friendly? Bar action?

Also... will I need to book from a service to find some afternoon action on the day I arrive (so no time to get numbers from the disco)?

Thanks much...

Tenchi
10-14-04, 00:22
Lot of visa-talk, can't you go there for a holiday? And get a visa to stay there a weekend of a week? Surely tourists don't need 'invitations', or do they?

Kar Star
10-14-04, 03:26
I will be in Kyiv for 4 days in about a month, and am seriously considering an apartment. I have been there several times, but I would like something more spacious yet close to the action. Does anyone have suggestions as to apartment services?

Thanks!

Bez Bezarra
10-14-04, 05:18
Good clean fun.

Cleanliness is next to yumminess.

I'll have to search tape, but I
believe I'll find a great ass-fuzz
photo of this doll to share with
all you ass-fuzz lovers.

NeilSydney
10-14-04, 08:31
Tenchi,

To get a visa (tourist) for Ukraine, you need an accommodation voucher. Depending on your nationality you may also need an invitation. E.g. I think it is no longer necessary for Americans to get an invitation for visits up to 6 months( I think!), but for me, as an Australian I still always need an invitation.

GandJim
10-14-04, 09:50
Tenchi,
Some tourists need an invitation, some don't, depending on their citizenship. Just RTFF, this has been debated again at lenght in the past few days.

Kar Star,
I use http://www.uaapartments.com/. Some other ones mentioned in this forum : http://www.bedandbreakfast.kiev.ua/apartments/all_apartments.php, http://www.apartments.kiev.ua/index.htm, http://www.apartments.com.ua/, http://apartments.kievconnections.com/.

Jim

Vegamars
10-14-04, 11:43
Visa registration is kinky for many citizenships, but as long as you pay the fee it's not a problem at all.

If you don't wanna interfere with all the hassles, just pay a small commission to an apartment provider, a travel agent or any kind of agency in Ukraine to take care of the details.

You can find hundreds of relevant sides on meta-ukraine.com for comparison of services and fees.

Premier Palace is naturally girl-friendly and has bar action if you're willing to pay 250 per day.

Tatsuo
10-14-04, 21:42
Mangus You Are THE Man! Where did you find such a delectable dish?

I know it has been mentioned before but how well does one have to know Russian for this type of action?

I only know some very basic phrases and I do mean basic!

Thanks for sharing!

Tatsuo

Tenchi
10-15-04, 23:32
GandJim,

I did RTFF but forgot to RTFPost I wrote, I neglected to add that I'm from the UK which has not been discussed specifically. We've been discussing visas generically.

As it is I've found for all fellow kiev-bound mongers from the UK, regarding a tourist visa (£25 dor single entry) we need:

Completed visa application form for each applicant holding a separate passport or being included in the joint passport (application form in PDF format);

Fully valid passport/travel document (C.I.D.) (photocopies are not acceptable);

Two recent passport sized photographs;

Invitation (depending on the purpose of journey to Ukraine the invitation should be obtained);

Two separate postal orders (or company cheques) covering the handling charge and visa fee;

Contact telephone numbers of all applicants (work, home or mobile).

But for a tourist visa as Ludovico stated, for a tourist visa an EU national does not need an invitation. Other visas are different

Taken from:
http://www.ukremb.org.uk/ (Ukraine embassy in the UK)

Jetlagged
10-16-04, 19:34
Lotus,

No problem bringing girls into Premier Palace Hotel. You have to bring them to reception and sign them in but its no big event. Its a five star hotel, probably the best hotel in the Ukraine and they do not give their customers a hard time. However, no hookers allowed to hang around the bar so you have to bring in or have the concierge arrange for you.

Duke Pro Sex
10-20-04, 09:50
Hello,

I have been about 8 times in Kiev. I am allways busy during day with work, so I prefer to phone to an agency to have a pleasent evening at appartament.
I have allways used GIA and the service and prices are allways very good (although prices has grown a bit lately).

I have visted uaescorts and kievescorts and sent emails to most girls asking for offers, but no one has answered, Does anybody has experience with these webpages girls? Some of them are stunning (some pics are fake of course).
I would like to find a semipro as stable friend to share nights with go to drink, dinner etc. Any suggestion?

Vegamars
10-21-04, 21:16
Sites like uaescort.com and kiev-x.com provide better results with SMS, though e-mailing also works from time to time.

For complete freebies through a completely free site, I'd strongly recommend loveme.ru

In opposition to the net options, the huge selection of clubs and bars is always serving as the better alternative..

NeilSydney
10-21-04, 22:17
Duke Pro,

Why don't you just try calling the numbers?

About half the numbers will probably go to the same operator, and most of the rest will not speak any English but usually you'll find one eventually which is what you're after. I find this process easier, as you don't wait around waiting for responses to smses or emails etc.

Just a thought.

Anyone in Kiev next week? If you want to meet up, just PM me.

Doctor_Skank
10-22-04, 07:23
Hi Vega,

I assume you are using the Russian language version of the site to score?

A sample search on the English version for ANY girl in Kiev yielded exactly one result...48-year old Vera. Adventurous as I am, I would even consider using her to win the "old bird" contest from the Moscow board with her, but she didn't even post a pic. Now that's scary...

Are you using chat or the normal contact search function?

Or do you have a profile on the site?

Which other sites work well for you? The pan-Slavic sites haven't been yielding much for me, for example www.dating.ru which I have used many times successfully in Russia also seems to be cluttered with average birds in the Kiev section... some Ukrainian-specific sites out there?

Thanks for your input!

Vegamars
10-22-04, 09:22
As I always use the English version of sites, I can easily reach 251 results by choosing the point of acquaintance as all options and the period of publish as any time.

Of course, the options for Russian cities and Moscow are much larger and much more inviting..

Doctor_Skank
10-22-04, 09:57
You are right... I had the time restricted too much.... I put in last three weeks. And got Vera. I don't suppose you'd recommend her... :)

Thanks for the tip...

Any other sites you recommend, or has this been the one that has served you best?

Vegamars
10-22-04, 13:18
Yeah, you're totally right, Vera is the best..

I've had pretty good results with this site, though it's not necessarily so straightforward but definitely quite enjoyable.

Another free site is date.com, but there it's more like a challenge cause you're not allowed to send messages for free and you've gotto be effective enough to receive the initiative letter to get to a point.

Duke Pro Sex
10-22-04, 23:31
Why not diret calls? Easy, I am not in ukraine but in western europe, and I will go kiev in about 10 days, so I was trying to arrange any date for night, that is all.

My experience says that nobody answer emails, dont know why they put them.

I think finally i will end phoning again to GIA,,the service is very good, and I think it will be difficult to find a semipro or pro cheaper for the night.

When I say cheaper,,I mean,, if you pay less you can have the girls more nights.

I know about clubs etc,, but when I am in Kiev I arrive at apartament tyred at 10 or 11, and only want to stay relaxed and in good company, so I have not time for going out looking and wasting time. I did one day, a very nice dinner with a pretty girl,, but finally he left me at apartament kissed me and asked me, will I see you again? My answer was, I dont know, may be, and never phoned her again.

What I would like is to have an stable escort-girlfriend that u can phone when you arrive to apartament to sleep together.

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Duke Pro Sex
10-24-04, 00:23
Ohh, other little thing:

I would like to meet 30 y.o to 40 y.o woman, I dont like young girls with model type bodyes ( well yes I like them but just to watch them and have sex) and most of the girls of agencyes are this kind of pretty girls.
Find a semi pro lady about 35 or 40 is hard

And here most people who post are lucky guys, I am expert in making friends. I have made wonderful friends in Kiev but just friends, dinner nice talk cofee, nice walk but no sex because I am a married man

Vegamars
10-24-04, 12:27
Going out at night for natural hunting has never been a waste of time in Kiev..
The challenge of joy and adventure is what makes it really indispensable on the long run.
If a girl is not so willing for the first night, then it's up to you to persuade her.
If she objects and no matter how bad you treat her afterwards, most of the time she'll contact you back some time in the future, feeling sorry for not accepting your offer, like having missed a big fortune...

Cruiser D
10-24-04, 15:02
Can anyone recommend any apartment agencies in Kiev.

I'm planning on spending around 10 days there after the Holidays (US), burr.

I plan on using this trip to hook up with a few internet 'friends'. Also, does anyone know of a very good looking p4p girl I could use as my guide?

Bez Bezarra
10-24-04, 18:12
But its totally a different mind set when you are
living there as opposed to being on vacation
and having a very limited number of nights
and hours.

It seems that every dyev wants to hook up at either
17:00 or 19:00, and when you are down to your
last night, and 3 dyevs are all saying they are
coming at 5pm, it takes a special knack
for scheduling to fit them all in.

In fact, the agency's madam did happen to see the
2 dyevs leaving the building entrance that she had
introduced me to the previous night, and I can tell
you, she wasn't very happy about it! Too bad these
flats don't have a back door. And why the heck was
she watching my front door anyway? I guess she got
there early and was waiting for my new acquaintance
to meet her on the street in front of the building. Oh well,
at least she seemed to buy my story that since she
couldn't reach them, then it was ok for me to, and also
that since she is retiring and moving to Germany, then
I'll be on my own from now on anyway. Alas, I ramble on.

Getting back to the point, most of us vacationers rarely
have the luxury to wait for "the long run" for the dyev
to call you back in the future, and thats an even tougher
obstacle to meeting any 2 sackings per day minimum
goal when faced with a 2 or 3 hour courting ritual that
leads to only the hope that its a lock that she'll be naked
in your bed on the second date.

Readers have to recognize first and foremost that for
you very few and extremely fortunate of all posters who
live year round in candyland, its a 200% different
situation with totally different parameters and limitless
boundaries that the rest of us don't have.

Personally, I continue to contend that its nothing less
than disgraceful how you perpetually fail to share
any worthwhile illustrations. Your lack of imagination
and creativity, surrounded by so much inspiration, leaves
us awestruck by your skillful ability to bore us to death.
Jackson, I'm sorry for ranting, but a spade is a spade,
we call 'em as we see 'em.

Who was it, some monger who warned me in a PM
that you're really a dangerous creepy type that he
feared for his life to reveal you, I don't remember.
Well, he never explained why, and you never seem
to take it too seriously, which is good, since this is
all just for fun anyway, but nothing changes around
here much. At least we agree on the magic!

Frustrated with the prospect of 200 days of expensive
MP HJ not so happy endings while you freeze your ass
off, oh, that's right, you'll send reports from sunny
Cyprus. Oh well.

Doctor_Skank
10-24-04, 18:55
MM is generally right, and although I don't live in Candyland obviously those who frequent the place often have more time to work the free end of the game. As for posting worthless information and/or stories, that is a question of perspective and what you get out of the forum. Removing that aspect from the WSG forum would leave only agency telephone numbers, the same 10 general questions being answered for the 700th time and the 300th review of River Palace/NF/CF whereever...

That vacationers and occassional travelers wonder what the point of chasing some girl through 2-3 dates only to fuck her once and never see her again is, makes complete sense to me. For them it seems a very time-consuming and ineffective way to get to the point. They will miss some of the more entertaining and beautiful aspects of Slavic women, that is for sure, but they are guaranteed to blow their wad on schedule.

Obviously however, it is the multiple aspects of dyev pursuit that make Russia and Ukraine so wonderful and superior to most other destinations which aren't so multi-faceted.

There are posters and lurkers out there who go to Russia or Ukraine once or twice a year and want pro and travel information. Chasing non-pro dyevs seems a waste of time and effort to most of them, barring the few that prefer a mix.

There are posters and lurkers who are in these countries quite often and want to know where and how to meet non-pro girls. Not only would it be a crime not to take advantage of what's available for "free" (relatively speaking), it would be entirely too expensive to pay for it 5 days a week for several weeks a year. Beyond that, being in the position to win women over and not doing it, instead electing to always pay is downright depressing in my opinion.

And there are posters and lurkers who have never been to either country and want to know what to expect and what their options are.

Based on that, I feel that providing any info related to getting laid, whether you pay for it or not, is relevant and appropriate.

Vegamars
10-24-04, 18:59
I don't ever remember having said that I live in Kiev all the time.

In fact, it's always more advantageous to observe a place as a foreigner from outside as opposed to getting accostomed to it in an ordinary way.

Let's just suppose my imagination is so creative that I make it up all the time..

Anyway I'll go on sharing the stories with myself.....

Andy J
10-27-04, 01:17
> the same 10 general questions being answered for the 700th time

What about using some of the new thread creation stuff and creating an FAQ section which contained fairly static info on visas, apartments, restaurants, language, agencies, clubs and the rest of it? I think that these questions have appeared often enough that it's worthwhile.

BTW, anybody been around for the new year in Kiev? I've done on in Piter in Russia and had a knob-enhanced hoot + was wondering about any useful experiences that anybody had to share about Kiev around the end of december/start of january.

Your Dog
10-28-04, 05:30
As a side note, how far is Kiev from that nuclear reactor mishap in Chernobyl? Kiev was not affected? Back to mongering, is the Ukraine more like the Czech Republic (part of the European Union) or more like Moldova or is it just its own flavor? Enlighten and Discuss.

Vegamars
10-28-04, 21:44
Chernobyl is pretty close to Kiev like about 100km and the real effects of the nuclear reactor accident are still not known exactly, as the outcomes and records have been hidden by the Soviet Union government, as it happens in many countries.

Moreover, that incident is just one that has come to the surface and there have been some others as well that couldn't have been disclosed up to today.

Kiev doesn't resemble any other city and has its own style of flavour with the endless opportunities of nightlife and mongering, but it's very difficult to describe in a few words or sentences..

You'll get acquainted with this idea or notion immediately after having visited Kiev for the first time...

Duke Pro Sex
10-28-04, 22:02
Kiev specially the center is a very european City, with a special flavour that makes it be one of the most lovely cityes i have ever visited. For me Kreschatik and Independence square is one of the most beautiful streets in the world Kiev sorroundings are much more soviet style, big ugly buildings typycal soviet urbanism. But Kiev is over all a very alive city. I was there firt time in 2001, and in 3 years I have visited it about ten times, each one you see changes everywhere, more shops, more modern cars. In my first trips was full of old Ladas and staying close to roads and showing your hand any car stopped to make independent taxi services at low cost, now it is almost the same but you need to wait much more and each day you see less old ladas.

About Chernobil, although the radiation level of Kiev is under danger levels, it is much higher than in other european towns. When the weather is hot without air movement I use to feel problems in my throat and also feel sleepy and everybody tell me is cause of radiation, not dangerous but much higher level to the ones we are used to live with in western europe.

People have been allways nice with me everywhere in Kiev, but ADVICE for tourists, if you watch money in the floor NEVER take it, and if a guy takes it in front of you and offers you halkf of the money, smile to him and tell him NO, or you will be in serious troubles. Three times someone tryed to do this with me

TheKnight
10-28-04, 23:12
Dog:

Kyiv was fortunate that the wind was blowing in the right direction for Ukraine at the time of the meltdown. That was bad news for Belarus.

Officially you're told not to touch the water in the Dnipr river as it comes from up-land (Chernobyl way), and put the swimming trunks away!! Belarus don't produce nearly as much veg now as it used to!!

I agree with Vegamars that Kyiv is like no other city. It is more (and they'll hate me saying this) Moscow than Prague, and certainly not Moldovan, but simply unlike any other city. Try, enjoy, smile!

Mustang2
10-29-04, 02:29
After many FKK trips to Germany, I am poised to move up to Kiev. The only time I am able to go, though, is the first week in December. What can I expect for weather, and what sort of clothing should I wear to be comfortable and fit in? I was thinking of getting a long wool coat to wear over dark business casual clothing. I'm trying to look nice and above average, without standing out as a tourist, org. crime, etc.

Thanks for any suggestions.

'Stang

NeilSydney
10-29-04, 14:53
Yes, you have to be very very careful with the 'money on the ground trick'. They will want to shake your hand and share it with you. Sure, you can shake hands, but don't touch the money. Often another man will come from across the street and ask for your help. KEEP WALKING. Then they will suggest you go to the policeman. Go another direction. This has happened to me many times in Kiev already, as I am clearly a tourist. It is very very common near O'Brien's Irish Pub.

I am in Kiev now, until Monday if anyone wants to meet up. I had yet another disappointing night in River Palace two nights back. I'll save you all the story, its not worth hearing again - but if you see a girl there called Irina with slightly reddish brown hair, has a kid...avoid her

Armorer
10-30-04, 00:10
Well I have been reading this board for a few years now. Been going to Kiev for about 4 years I think. I do not post that much. I know some but after seeing the changes over the short time I have been goin. I guess things change weather you let the secret out or not.
I can remember my first trip there. I had done some research on brama and found an appartment,guide and had it all worked out or so I thought. I am just a poor good ole boy from the hills of West Virginia. So I was goin tohave a nice time and explore. So yeah some of my dress Said AMERICAN here. I went in February. Was cold but still had fun. Did not find this board till I got back from the first trip. Some of my cloths were yes you might think I'm nuts but Flanel/plad. Go ahead laugh. Still I found this off the wall bar Cowboy club and had a nice time met a few ladies in there and explored the city and them. Thus began my facination with the Country. So here it is 4 years later and I try to make atleast on 10 day trip if not more a year. I have done the pro sceene and free scene. Depends on my mood at the time or how hot she is. I mean come on guys if she is in your sights does it really matter if she is pro or not. Although I can say this, I find it so much easier to approach the women and easy to get freebies there then in US. Some may be looking for the green card but who cares. They are hot and IF the good lord willin goin back to my flat with me.
I have visited many clubs there. Still its much fun to just pick a direction andgo with it. Guess I just have a sence of adventure or plain reckless. Still I am a fairly big boy 6'4 and stocky and can handle myself if I have to. So I just watch for trouble and avoid places that seem like trouble. Have not really had any trouble to speak of other then routine hassels from customs or maybe from a patroling police nothing a dollar or 3 didn't cure. All in all I love Ukraine and find it hard to move on from there. I mean the women are so nice and beautiful. Well I hope my rabbleing is not to much for ya'll to take. Just figured I would let you know if you see what looks like a hill billy walkin the streets of Kiev It is prolly me.
Happy hunting guys.

Roger Mellie
10-31-04, 13:46
Kiev is nothing like Prague ... Prague is very European and is filled with hordes or tourist year round. Kiev is very soviet and quite russian (its the mother city for the Eastern Slavs). It reminds me in personality to Moscow 7 or 8 years ago.

Mustang: in my experience the women go for guys who look like wealthy foreign businessmen. I always tend to do Moscow and Kiev fairly formally. A suit less the tie works well - as does a nice watch nice shoes etc.. A overcoat in December is a must. Other guys do well dressed less formally, but I guess it comes down to (a) what kind of audience are you hoping to get and (b) how well you fit the image of your clothes.

One piece of advice I got years ago which still seems to hold true, is to show all the girls in a bar you are a foreigner, you drink Corona, from the bottle. No local guys ever do that. Then see which girls have noted that and move in on them.

Vegamars
10-31-04, 16:28
Actually most parts of Kiev don't look like Russian and that's what makes it so special and different.

The city looks like Budapest as a whole and especially the center resembles Paris.

I think it's the most beautiful city in Europe together with Minsk and Budapest.

However, the endless opportunities of nightlife and beauties by far outscore the so-called-similar-mentioned locations....

Mustang2
11-01-04, 00:51
Thanks for the replies.

I'm a young engineer in western Virginia (sorry Arm.) and I can look the part of western professional. My budget doesn't exactly cover Italian suits, though. I've had my share of FKK girls, so I'm sort of after the local girls for a change. I've read the past years' posts, so I've go a good idea what to expect.

Another question: Apartments. THere have been some favorable posts about uaapartments.com. But they seem to have an average selection of apartments. One other, apartments.com.ua, had much better selection but wanted deposit by western union, and I'm not comfortable with that. Does anyone have another favorite agency, and are there any to stay away from?

TIA

NeilSydney
11-03-04, 18:57
Well, I just got back from my second trip to Kiev. Some brief comments follow, hopefully some of which may be slightly useful.

I arrived after flying AeroSvit from Budapest to Kiev. This airline is very good value. Reliable planes and good prices from many European destinations. Have no fears flying with these guys.

I took an apartment with www.uaapartments.com having read many glowing reviews from people. I would definitely NOT recommend them after my experience, but I will just provide the facts of my experience and let you decide for yourself. I took an apartment which they recommended more than once to me. It had big, but had old furniture and facilities, an ancient washing machine, cable Tv which did not work (which they refused to help me with). Disgracefully, less than 50% of the lights in the apartment worked, to the extent that there were no functioning lights in the bedroom. The website promises a lot but they deliver little. E.g. Promised maid service after 3 days - this was not delivered. Their service is great prior to arrival but once they get your money, forget about it. And to wrap it up, I left my phone in the apartment and they refuse to search for it and give it back to me. I'm sure its been sold, or reused in the company (look for a snazzy Samsung E700 if you hire a phone from them- its mine!) I know many people have had good experiences with them, but this was my experience and I would not go with them again. I met a lovely girl in Kiev who does her own apartment rentals and I will go with her in future. If anyone is interested I can provide contact details. I can vouch for her honesty, but not for her apartments, yet.

Anyway, I'm pissed off, so sorry about that rambling. Onto the good stuff - upon arrival I felt like some pre-dinner fun, so I called GIA Agency and asked for my 'usual', a lovely girl called Larissa. $70 for an hour, including bbbj cim twice, and anal included too. I think she charges more for anal normally, but I am a 'regular' apparently. Highly recommended.

I had two experience in my trip at River Palace. One terrible one from a single mum called Irina, reddish brown hair, thin, pale, hangs around with a dark haired friend. I also had a great experience on 'ladies night' - Tuesday night where ladies get in free. Problem is that there are HEAPS of men too, so you have to be decisive in getting your girl. I snapped up 18 year old amateur Diana, dresseed in jeans and long sleeve shirt, very conservatively.She was a short petite brunette who was there for her first time with friends. I didnt believe her, but $100 dollars later, I had the best GFE I've had at River Palace. Look out for her.

I managed to pick up a gorgeous young girl at Mandarin shopping centre, near Bessarabskya Pl. But it was costly. I saw her buying some cosmetics, or looking at some anyway. She was gorgeous and I just couldnt resist going to talk to her. She told me in perfect English she couldnt afford to buy it. $200 dollars later, after buying her gifts and taking her to Il Patio nearby for dinner, she's back in my shoddy apartment in my lightless bedroom giving me that 19 year old body. The surprise was she told me I didnt need to use a condom if I didnt want to "because that is what her other Western boyfriends want". Well, that gave me better incentive to wear protection, and turns out she has 2 American boyfriends out there who visit and pay her sponsorship money. Seems like a very common thing to me in this country. It seems to be a country getting richer and richer, and there are some very wealthy beautiful women that just don't give a crap about us foreigners, as their ukrainian (possibly mafia) boyfriends could probably buy far more than most of us can.

Anyway, so that was Kiev for me. Great nightclubs as per usual, great girls....and I wish I knew Russian. Oh, and Halloween is an awesome time to be there. They take it as a huge party. Opium club had a huge party - so many hotties! HAVE FUN!

Roger Mellie
11-04-04, 19:26
Budapest Paris and Minsk? I want to know what pills youre taking.

Eddie123
11-06-04, 22:33
Hey man,

I just wanted to reply back to you in regards to the "money on the floor" issue. The same thing happened to me the first time I went to Moscow about a year ago. Near the Kremlin, one dude walked passed me under one of the tunnels and dropped a bag with dollars in it (it seemed). I just kept walking but suddenly another guy appeared out of nowhere and grabbed the bag and acted like he was happy about finding it. I knew that it was some kind of set up so I kept walking. However, that one guy would not leave me alone so I came up near a very busy street and mentioned "Militza" and he and his friend left. Nevertheless, I freaked out and headed back to my hotel. This is probably the only sour experience I had in Moscow and don't want to run into it again. I am taking a break from Russia for now.

Kiev specially the center is a very european City, with a special flavour that makes it be one of the most lovely cityes i have ever visited. For me Kreschatik and Independence square is one of the most beautiful streets in the world Kiev sorroundings are much more soviet style, big ugly buildings typycal soviet urbanism. But Kiev is over all a very alive city. I was there firt time in 2001, and in 3 years I have visited it about ten times, each one you see changes everywhere, more shops, more modern cars. In my first trips was full of old Ladas and staying close to roads and showing your hand any car stopped to make independent taxi services at low cost, now it is almost the same but you need to wait much more and each day you see less old ladas.

About Chernobil, although the radiation level of Kiev is under danger levels, it is much higher than in other european towns. When the weather is hot without air movement I use to feel problems in my throat and also feel sleepy and everybody tell me is cause of radiation, not dangerous but much higher level to the ones we are used to live with in western europe.

People have been allways nice with me everywhere in Kiev, but ADVICE for tourists, if you watch money in the floor NEVER take it, and if a guy takes it in front of you and offers you halkf of the money, smile to him and tell him NO, or you will be in serious troubles. Three times someone tryed to do this with me

Mickey Mouse
11-10-04, 13:02
Gentlemen:
I will be making a brief visit to Kiev next week for a few days and have an appartment on Volodymyrska near XXI vek Casino and John Bull Pub. I would Greatly appreciate any suggestions you may have concerning local Pubs/Bars/Restaurants where I may find a fellow monger or some local talent.

Thanx in advance and please feel free to PM,
MM

NeilSydney
11-10-04, 14:02
MM,

I was just living around the corner on Saksahanskoho. There are so many restaurants on that street you will have plenty of choices. And Opium night club is nice and close, at the end of the street near the Palace of Sports. Cocktail Bar 111 is also close, towards the other end of Saksahanskoho. John Bull is nice and close, but for that type of pub, I prefer going to Mikhailovskaya where you will find O'Brien's. Plenty of English speakers there. I found in Kiev you could find friendly locals to talk to pretty much everywhere. Its just a matter of going to talk to them and seeing if they spoke English. Some nice but pricey cafes in the Maidan underground shopping centre region. Anyway, more on restaurants can be found at www.chicken.kiev.ua/eng/

Oh, and literally in the last 3 weeks I was in Budapest - Kiev - Minsk, in that order. They are all unique in their own right. My view: Budapest is the most tourist attractive, Kiev is the most fun, Minsk is not for the first-time traveller; but man, is it cheap!

SexyMiky
11-10-04, 14:48
Arrived Borispol October 13 , cleared costumes with no problem taxi was waiting form me took me to my apartment that I rented from uuapartments dimitri was waiting for me he took the money and left.

I only had two free days to monger until my date arrived from Russia, my apartment was small but at a great location on Horodetskoho Street, Kreschatyk and the Maidan.

For those who want to call back home get the Extreme telephone card it works great costs approximately 0.37 cents per minute to call USA.

First night took a taxi to the Queen bee strip club and sauna , its a 20 minutes ride from the maidan and costed me 20 Grivna, its a two storry building very clean in and out looks as good as our clubs in Los Angeles :)

I had lots of lap dances for 10 Grivna, the girls dancing are 7 in my book, i asked the girl about the extras she said the Sauna is 150 Grivna and $50 US for the girl, i chose a blond blue eyed girl that was great performer i got the best sex from her while doing her she screamed in Russian boyaje means GOD, while doing her she said DAVAY DAVAY don't Stop while laying on her back she had multiple orgasm and she kept raising her head up high, will report about my second day in River Palace and the Caribbean.

Stravinsky
11-13-04, 16:49
MM,

So the Mouse will be scampering through Kiev! That's a long way from BA. Sorry I can't help you with info, since I've never been there. If there are chicas to be had, I'm sure you will sniff them out. Looking forward to your posts.

Stravinsky

Duke Pro Sex
11-15-04, 01:35
My advice is dont phone to english magazines anouncements in Kiev.

I have done it 3 times, all of them bad, they promiss to send you a girl acording with your description and they send you what they want.

In my last trip, first night they sent me a very thin girl, not very clean (she told m she was dancing at a disco), price was 50 one hour, oral with rubber, and 100 two hours, I told them 100 dollars 2 hours and oral without and they acepted. The girl was mistaken with the adress and it took more than 2 hours to arrive.

Three days after it I phoned the same telephone, I asked for a 30ish girl, and oral without, they told me 120 dollars, and promissed me the girl will come in 30 mins. She arrived in a bit more than one hour and, was the same thing girl that 3 days ago was 25. I told her that that was not what we talked by phone and offered her 50 hrivnas for taxi, she insisted in stay, and I told her that ok but just 100 dollars like 3 days ago, finally she acepted. I payed her 120 and I told her: take 120 I can be good but I am not idiot

The other experience I had some months ago with what's on and Kiev post anouncement was also really bad bad bad.

Now you can ask, why if you talk well about GIA you didint phone them?

I phoned GIA the second night, they asked me what girl I want, I told her, and when I told her my apartament adress the girl answered me that it is impossible to send a girl cause the center is full of police and the girl can have problems and me too with them. I insisted but no way.

Has anybody had experience with the girls of uaescort? some of them look really incredible pretty. I tryed also to phone to one of them (I know it was an agency) but there was no answer. Dont they work after 11 pm? I am never free at my apartament before this time.

Peter Pan 2
11-16-04, 16:23
Hello,

After a trip to Moscow and St Petersburg last year I am now heading for Kiev in the spring of next year. Was looking for the VIP gateway agency described here in this forum for local services which includes finding girls and women. They seem to have stopped. Anybody have any suggestions for a similar agency that can help me not only with apartment and car but also with finding the right girls and translating? Any suggestions much appreciated.

PP2

Vegamars
11-18-04, 13:17
It's never a good idea to order a girl without having seen at least the pictures and attributes on internet..

I'm sure gia din't want to send the girl cause they didn't feel confident about talking on the phone.. and the rest was just a story..

I've never had any problems with them and they were always ready to send any girl in just half an hour.

However, the first time you talk on the phone is quite important in the way you approach. Maybe it's just better to contact via mail beforehand..

Vegamars
11-18-04, 14:03
You just call the right number and talk decently..that's all...

There's also the free way for the regular babes like loveme.ru or simply the messenger, which have been tested so many times in a direct way with ease by smart mongerers..

Doctor_Skank
11-19-04, 09:05
Browsing through the net seeking e-contacts to non-pros to prepare for an upcoming trip to Candyland (thanks MM for this metaphor, it has stuck) I stumbled across Katerina, who sent me this:

"Я очень сексуальная девушка и апетитная
знаю, что многих я заинтересую, но часто мне пишут чуть ли не бродяги.
Паймите - я ж не сплю с всема подряд, а только з богатими и обраними мужикамы.
потому, если ви хочете со мной что то еметь. пришлите мне 14 значный код карточки ДЖИНС и свой номер телефону и я вам передзвоню.
Мне нужна реальная встреча. а не теревени в нети.
И дело не в карточке, просто так я определяю ваше фынансовое состояние. А номинал карточки говорит про ваше фынансовоэ положениэ. Я ище раз повторяю я не для всех встречних. а толька для обраних.
Все письма з инными условиямы буду игнорирувать "

Which translates roughly as this (excuse my errors fluent Russian speakers):

"I very sexual and appetizing girl and know that many guys are interested in me and many will write to me, but they are mostly jerks.
I do not sleep with everybody, just with classy guys.
Therefore if you want to meet me, please send me the 14 digit code of your Jeans (telephone) card and I will contact you. A real meeting is necessary for me, as oppposd to an encounter in the net.
There is no "business" in knowing the card number, it is simply to define a financial condition... and the face value of the card tells of your financial status. I repeat that I don't have time to meet everybody, only for classy guys. "

Well obviously there is something not very kosher about it, but I am curious if anybody out there has ever contacted a girl through such a method. Is it merely some telephone scam, or actually a front to meet pros? Did you wake up the next morning missing a kidney and having one of your eyes replaced by a glass marble?

The girl had a sexy picture, but it has since been removed from the net by the web moderator.

Doctor_Skank
11-19-04, 16:44
MM:

"Does she mean that a 250 or 500 hrivna telephone card
will distinguish that she'll fuck a guy for $50 or $100, but
if a local Ukrainian monger only has a $10 or $25 phone
card, then she wont fuck him?"

That's what I want to know! If so, I'll start hanging that 500 hrivna Dzhins card around my fu%&ing neck!

Vegamars
11-19-04, 19:28
I can tell you for sure that she'll not meet anyone and just take advantage of the free phone card....

Ludovico
11-19-04, 21:41
I've just been thinking about which candidate would be better for the foreign monger interested in the Ukraine. Will it be the liberal pro European or the old guard with an eye on the Kremlin. Personally, I think they should stay with the old guard (selfish I know), but it will keep all those want to be mongers away who can't get visa's and leave the cream of the crop for the more advanced players.

I don't think, however, that the Ukrainian people will see it this way and will probably vote for the pro EU, WTO and NATO minded candidate. For a country that is growing at 9% gdp a year, all those people living in poverty probably want a slice of the pie for themselves.

Snowy
11-20-04, 01:54
Ludovico

Interesting question - always good to think about current affairs from a mongering perspective! From my view, the elections show that whilst Ukraine has come a long way in a reasonably short space of time, it is still in many ways an old style soviet country and still has a suprisingly strong connection with Russia - the media coverage and support for the one candidate and Putin's open support just didn't sit particularly well.

I think it is easy to think of Ukraine and think of Kiev being typical of the country, but Kiev is like the "show house" and isn't really representative of the rest of the country at all. The economic growth hasn't obviously filtered all the way through Ukraine, and a trip to Kiev vs a trip elsewhere in Ukraine can be like going to a different universe.

Also remember who the people vote for and who gets elected are not always the same! From what I hear and read, the election was quite fair by Ukraine standards, but still had a lot of dubious stuff going on. From a selfish business perspective, I hope Yushchenko wins, but I'd be surprised if Yanukovych didn't find some way to cling to power. If he does, Kiev may not be the best place to be next week.

I'm sure in time that Ukraine will not require a visa, but I think they are still some years away from being anywhere near joining the EU and dropping the visa requirement (too many people making money off it!).

In summary - whoever gets in, there should be a few more years of fun to be had before hordes of stag weekends start coming over on cheap flights!

Rain City
11-20-04, 08:59
I saw a potentially decent place nearby in Lake Forest called Star Accupressure in the city of Lake Forest. Its in the same area as Captain Kreams and next to a pleasure zone lingerie type of store. Has anyone checked this place out before I take one for the team? I remember reading before I moved to this area that Lake Forest MPs are lucky if you even get a HJ from anyone.

I get the feeling it legit only but dont know for sure.

Thanks,

KingBeen there, done that. I went 5 months ago and got a younger girl. Lots of walking on my back and oil. I did get HJ only cause my badge wasnt pinned to my crotch. Dont think its easy to get much there.

Vegamars
11-20-04, 10:12
Although Kiev has been the real actual capital of most events underlying the history of the ex-Soviet Union, it is the only independent country that would never come to terms with Russia ever again, mainly because of the special long-lasting reasons of the majority of the population that's rather difficult to understand from the western point of view..

Moreover, it's not quite true that the difference between Kiev and all other parts of Ukraine is so huge as if going to another part of the universe!!
It's not so easy to find places like Lvov, Dniepropetrovsk, Odessa, Harkov, Lugansk, Sevastapol, Yalta, Donetsk and Zaporozhe in other parts of the world...

The long-time-evolving policy change and the increase of the flow of mongers have already taken place in the last couple of years, as depicted by the drastic increase of visitors and the uprise of mongering charges, though the inflation rate is as low as 2-3% in general.

The visa policy has turned out to be the mildest among all the ex-Soviet states including the Baltic ones Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

Snowy
11-20-04, 19:59
Vegamars

I'm not knocking other Ukrainian cities (although I'll take some convincing that Dniepro and Zaporozhe are anything special!); I've been to most of the places you mentioned for brief stays and enjoyed my time. I'm just saying that the economic advancements that are all over Kiev are not obviously to be seen throughout the rest of Ukraine.

I have to disagree about the visa policy. Ukraine has done little to make it particularly easy to get a visa - no-one gets turned down, but it is still more expensive and labourious than it could be. When they did allow people to buy a visa at a couple of airports, like Odessa, the policy was hardly publicised and whether you would be allowed to do it once you got there was based entirely on the individual officer - did they feel like it and had they actually been told of this policy.

Tourism in Ukraine has gone up despite the government's policy towards tourism not due to any active effort to encourage it and whilst it has gone up, the current levels (from what I recall) are only around 50% of what was achieved in the first couple of years after independence. I don't see any of this changing in a particular hurry, although I would love to be proved wrong.

Duke Pro Sex
11-21-04, 00:36
Hey.

I have used GIA services many times (well, let me count, just 4 times) allways was very good without any problem and with a nice girl, So I dont understand what happened, all was ok until I gave my adress, it is posible that as was one day after first ballot of presidential elections they were afraid And I am allways friendly and very polite, I even offered them to go maidan and wait for the girl in Letoile cafe to avoid problems with police.

and for the Good of our dear Ukraine, hope that Yushenko will win instead of bandit Yanukovitch. Ukraine is a great country and they deserve freedom, democracy, and prosperity

Ludovico
11-21-04, 12:02
MM,

here are the rules as they stand at the moment.

For Tourist Visa (Single/Double Entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Swiss Confederation and United States of America who apply for the tourist visa can present a round trip ticket by any Ukrainian airline company as a confirmation of the tourist purpose of their visit to Ukraine.

For Private Visa (Single/Double/Multiple Entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Slovak Republic, Swiss Confederation, Republic of Turkey and the United States of America who apply for business, private, scientific, sport and cultural visas do not require a letter of invitation from Ukraine.

For Business Visa (Multiple Entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Slovak Republic, Swiss Confederation, Republic of Turkey and the United States of America who apply for business, private, scientific, sport and cultural visas do not require a letter of invitation from Ukraine.

For Business Visa (Single/Double entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Slovak Republic, Swiss Confederation, Republic of Turkey and the United States of America who apply for business, private, scientific, sport and cultural visas do not require a letter of invitation from Ukraine.

I copied these rules from the embassy of Ukraine London website. All the up to date info on visa's is there as well as the application forms.

Happy hunting

Ludovico

Snowy
11-21-04, 13:56
Ludovico's answer shows my problem with visas.

For a tourist visa you "can present a round trip ticket by any Ukrainian airline company as a confirmation of the tourist purpose of their visit to Ukraine." Great. What if you aren't using a Ukrainian airline company? I think you are still suppossed to get an invite letter in these cases. I'd also bet that the Ukrainian ticket thing depends on the individual customs person.

The people who sort out my visa when I go on holiday or don't want to declare business as my reason for a visit take care of all this (and are the reason I happily pay more for it). Don't ask what they do, don't care - it gets me in without problems and without the hassle.

For any business visa I always make sure I get the business invite stuff, although I'm not sure I've been asked to show it the last couple of times.

I still think for most tourist visas you need the invite.

Ludovico
11-21-04, 14:33
I'm in the process of trying to get a tourist visa at the moment. They also state on the website that you shouldn't purchase airline tickets until your visa has been confirmed. I'll let you all know what happens.

Also, to change the subject, how about posting some info about all the clubs in Kiev (like Doc Skank has in the Moscow section). i.e, what are the best options and what are the best nights. For example, I've heard that Coctail 111 is a good option for tuesdays.

Mustang2
11-21-04, 15:35
For what its worth:

I'm a U.S. citizen about to go to Kiev for the first time in early Dec. ( If anyone wants to meet up just let me know).

I recieved my visa from Washington consular office after 2 weeks. I had followed tips from Brama Ukraine travel forum, and I had tried to apply for private single entry visa since I had no letter of invitation. However, I was issued a tourist visa, single entry. I was a bit concerned that I would need LOI to show on entry to Ukraine, but I have since been informed that no one will care that I do not have it. They want to see passport & visa.

My feeling is that the U.S. consular office pretty much does as it pleases-- takes money, gives visas.

Mystery Man
11-21-04, 17:47
Good evening Gentlemen.

No problem for my visas.

I have access to two escort agencies in Kiev.

Star from Heaven and Gia.

I saw very nice review about Gia's girls and pretty nothing on Star from Heaven.

May be you could help me for my choice on these two agencies full of girls.

If you have pictures of some beauties with phone number or e-mail they are welcome.

I am going alone and for short term and I am not sure to have free time to go to the Boat. Is it like the Night Flight in Moscow ? I know this club and this is easy and nice.

All your advice are welcome, if you know some agencies tell me.

Thank you.

PS: this is my first trip in Kiev.

Bez Bezarra
11-21-04, 18:27
This is Vika. I actually turned down her offer the
first night we met. A couple days later, I came to
my senses, and she showed me the error of my ways.

Vegamars
11-21-04, 19:06
There's a solution to everything in Ukraine through the backdoor, provided that you're ready to pay the right amount..

Every little detail in Ukraine leads to a new opportunity of income and western(!!) embassies are also part of the game..

Club111 is one of those elite places that you might have a diffucult time to get in if you're alone, so it's a good idea to pop in with a local girl who has a card for that particular place out of her collection..

I can hear some of you objecting that you've had no difficulty at all for entrance!! That's also quite possible depending on your look and manners and of course don't forget about the back entrance...

Snowy
11-21-04, 22:00
I haven't been to 111 for a couple of months, but there is no way it was a truly elite club last time I went. I've been on my own (and my dress style could never be described as smart, more trendy hobo), with a group of guys and with dates and never had any problems getting in or ever had any request for a card.

111 is probably my favourite club in Kiev. Thurs-Saturday are excellent - really busy, really mixed crowd of locals (and yes, there are some of the elitny types but not many), out-of-towners, a few pros and a lot of girls just out for a laugh. The music is pretty standard Kiev fair. It's an excellent club to take a date, as the girls really seem to like it (Opium's good too).

Most girls there are approachable - some definitely on the pro side of semi-pro, some who'd be horrified about money being mentioned and, as always in Kiev, a whole load somewhere in the middle. It is definitely not just a monger place like RP.

It's a smallish club, with a big circular rotating bar in the middle. When it gets going, there's dancing everywhere. It tends to get busy around 10.30ish and stays packed until 2.30-3am or so on the weekends, although it's open until much later.

Tuesday is the busiest night of the mid-week (they used to do popcorn throwing parties or something like that), although it still has enough people in on other nights to make it worth a visit on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. I think it's the safest option in Kiev on any midweek night for a good crowd. From what I recall entry is cheap/free during the week (maybe 30Hrv, if anything) and something like 50Hrv at the weekend.

On the busier nights (Tues, Thurs-Sat) it's worth getting there a bit earlier - before 10.30pm - to get a table or a seat at the bar. The bar seats are pretty good as, since it rotates, you'll have a regular chance to scope out everyone there. Otherwise, anything opposite the staircase is pretty good.

On the quieter nights, it doesn't really pick up until 11-11.30pm. Drink prices are pretty standard for a bar which attracts some businessmen, but it ain't too expensive. They do some killer cocktails and even these aren't too badly priced, if this is what your date is drinking.

I don't think I've had a bad night there, I've picked up a few freebies, met and taken dates there - bar staff are great too.

Only bad thing are the taxis outside, which expect stupid money. As MM mentioned there's a huge all night supermarket opposite. I usually cross over the road to pick up something and just hail down a car/taxi from the other side of the road.

I'm going to Kiev early next year for a couple of weeks purely for holiday, so if no-one else has taken on the club review challenge by then I'll take one for the team and visit every club I can find!

Studly77
11-22-04, 12:35
Does anyone have any info on this site-- Publichouse.ru ? I can't read the pages but from the looks of women you don't need to read.

Are these escorts, incall/outcall?

Has anyone used this site or women?

Barmer67
11-23-04, 16:47
A short report on my few weeks old, 2-nights visit to Kiev.

Arrived with a colleague to the Borispol at evening and straight to River Palace (following reading this forum).

What can I say, the quality and number of beautiful girls is truly amazing, and I’ve been in few places (Moscow, Kishinev, etc).

But the prices, oh the prices – all started at $250 (which I expected based on this forum’s reports), but were unwilling to get bellow $150, and even that just for the couple of hours, not a full night.

Now I’m mid 30’s and OK looking and my colleague is even better looking. It was a Sunday night, around 2-3 am. So I don’t understand this, has the prices went so up, or is there some other explanation?

Anyway, weren’t willing to pay that much, and after a good meal headed out for the taxis.

Now, I always thought that taxi drivers are the best source for mongering information anywhere. And this proved very much true in Kiev as well.
After telling the driver our frustration, he quickly consulted his colleagues and came up with several numbers. Eventually he called some agency, whose number is +380442099422, and picked up 2 dievs from their apartments on the way.
Both turned out to be just fine (about 8), not as beautiful as the ones in RP, but much more friendly and simple going, which let to wonderful GFE in the apartment.
Both cost us $250 ($125 each) for a full night (till 8-9 am). Mine was Yulia and my friend got Tanya. Tanya was really a nymphomaniac, she just wouldn’t stop and kept my friend up all night asking for more sex.

Yulia was also OK, willing to please anyway I liked, but talked too much (I speak fluent Russian).

The second evening we called the girls directly, able to close on $100 for Yulia and $80 for Tanya. At the end Yulia didn’t feel well that night, switching with her room mate – Valya, which turned out to be a bit older (mid 30), but an extremely worm and passionate red-headed with model type body.

I did her in every direction, including long anal (just couldn’t finish the second time). She stayed till 9 am and departed only after an excellent morning sex (which I always like the best).

So IMHO, go to RP only to get in the mood and observe the local talent (and there’s a lot), but for real action consult your friendly taxi driver.

Happy mongering,

Barmer.

GandJim
11-23-04, 18:27
Studly77,

PublicHouse is a Russian site, not an Ukrainian one. Girls are in Moscow, not Kiev.

It's not an agency. It's like newspapers' ads and you can have real girls as well as bait & switch. Some do incall, some do outcall, some do both. It's mentioned in their ads. You will need to have some knowledge of Russian to communicate with them (be it only to have their address or to give them yours), as the majority does not speak English.

You have more information on this site, and on similar ones, in the Moscow forum.

Jim

Vegamars
11-24-04, 11:51
The revolution against Russia evolving from Lvov is spreading throughout the country..

I can tell you that Ukraine is never gonna be like Belarus and the elections will have to be reheld sooner or later..

However, the mongering scene will not be effected in any negative way in either case....

GandJim
11-24-04, 13:16
Am just back from a trip to EE, with a stop in Kiev just last week end, in the middle of the elections... Quite impressive indeed, many people in the streets, but no agressivity and no violence at all. However, it's highly exagerate to say that there are hundred of thousands, 10,000-20,000 max, not even 30,000 (at least on Saturday and Sunday night, on Kreschatik street).

But back to business. Due to the elections, River Palace was empty. Moved to Moda Bar and Mandarin, and they were even more empty. Back to Kreschatik, lots of young girls still hanging around, and it was dead easy approaching and talking to them. I shouldn't even have gone to River Palace. Ended up with 6 girls in my apartment who completely emptied my fridge (well, that's why they came. I proposed something to eat and to drink). After some dancing, only one stayed (I guess she pulled the short straw and had to sacrifice herself), while the 5 other left. I was hoping for at least a threesome. Oh, well...

Saw Diana from Gia. As cute as in the photos, if not more (usually, it's the contrary). Fair English. However, contrary to what Gia states in their emails, she doesn't kiss and is not enthusiastic for OWO. Put the condom on as soon as she can. On the other hand, very imaginative with sex in all positions, no problem for DATY and fingering. Overall an average performance, not disappointing, but I've seen better with Gia.

Also saw Olya from Stars from Heaven. Much more expensive than Gia, but I was attracted by Olya, who was added to the site less than a week before I came. Only basic English, but excellent services. DFK, OWO with CIM, DATY, fingering, all with enthusiasm. Highly recommended.

Jim

Vegamars
11-24-04, 14:05
The enthusiastic service is almost standard for starsfromheaven..

However, whether for gia or starsfromheaven or RP or regarding a freebie, it's always a good idea to prefer a lively blonde for optimum satisfaction....

Johnny Darko
11-24-04, 14:41
Hello there,

Sorry to intevene in you socio-politico-mongering theses on the Ukranian situation but can you tell me if there are any cheap flights to Kiev from London (any airport) run by companies other than Ryaniar and Easyjet as I am not finding any. I

Keep the discussion going comrades-in-fuck..

Take care,

Johnny

Mystery Man
11-24-04, 17:53
Good afternoon Guys,

I am going in Kiev end of this week. I have already booked for Sunday nigth Julia from Star from Heaven, she looks to have a wonderfull breast.

Did some one meet her ?

I saw on GIA some nice girls as Olivia, Dasha, Zhenja (but she speaks German) and Diana but she have not such a nice review from our friend GanJim.

Do you know other agency, this will be my first trip in Kiev?

I will try to go to RP for sure, do you have advice about RP?

Thank you

Barmer67
11-24-04, 21:16
A short report on my few weeks old, 2-nights visit to Kiev.

Arrived with a colleague to the Borispol at evening and straight to River Palace (following reading this forum).

What can I say, the quality and number of beautiful girls is truly amazing, and I’ve been in few places (Moscow, Kishinev, etc).

But the prices, oh the prices – all started at $250 (which I expected based on this forum’s reports), but were unwilling to get bellow $150, and even that just for the couple of hours, not a full night.

Now I’m mid 30’s and OK looking and my colleague is even better looking. It was a Sunday night, around 2-3 am. So I don’t understand this, has the prices went so up, or is there some other explanation?

Anyway, weren’t willing to pay that much, and after a good meal headed out for the taxis.

Now, I always thought that taxi drivers are the best source for mongering information anywhere. And this proved very much true in Kiev as well.
After telling the driver our frustration, he quickly consulted his colleagues and came up with several numbers. Eventually he called some agency, whose number is +380442099422, and picked up 2 dievs from their apartments on the way.
Both turned out to be just fine (about 8), not as beautiful as the ones in RP, but much more friendly and simple going, which let to wonderful GFE in the apartment.
Both cost us $250 ($125 each) for a full night (till 8-9 am). Mine was Yulia and my friend got Tanya. Tanya was really a nymphomaniac, she just wouldn’t stop and kept my friend up all night asking for more sex.

Yulia was also OK, willing to please anyway I liked, but talked too much (I speak fluent Russian).

The second evening we called the girls directly, able to close on $100 for Yulia and $80 for Tanya. At the end Yulia didn’t feel well that night, switching with her room mate – Valya, which turned out to be a bit older (mid 30), but an extremely worm and passionate red-headed with model type body.

I did her in every direction, including long anal (just couldn’t finish the second time). She stayed till 9 am and departed only after an excellent morning sex (which I always like the best).

So IMHO, go to RP only to get in the mood and observe the local talent (and there’s a lot), but for real action consult your friendly taxi driver.

Happy mongering,

Barmer

Guy #2
11-25-04, 07:09
Who gives a shit about the politics? I went overseas to eat pussy when the US EMbassy issued a travel advisory because a coup had taken places. Monkeys come, monkeys go. I'd rather eat some pussy in the snow. I could care less if they all get shot. Maybe it will bankrupt their economy so prices will drop.

Guy #2
11-25-04, 07:12
Thanks Vegamars!

I did not know about the stars from heaven site!. Prices a little high for 10 hours but girls are better looking.

Snowy
11-25-04, 10:20
MM

Man, I hope you're right. I just don't have your optimism that Yanukovich and his cronies are just going to give up on power without a nasty struggle. They can see that their time is up soon, but will they go before their ready?

I think it depends on whether the army and police actively choose sides - if they actively support Yuschenko and join the protest then it's a done a deal. If they don't...who knows? If they support Yanukovich and turn on the protesters it'll take the country back years.

Don't much about the Ukrainian police/army - anyone know if they are particularly politicised?

I'm here willing a peaceful victory. Viva la revolution!

Ludovico
11-25-04, 17:07
Well guys, I hope all this clears itself up pretty quick. I'm still waiting for my visa and I don't want anything stupid like politics spoiling my good time with the dyevs. On a positive note, if all those Ukrainian men are camping out on independance square, someone will have to keep the ladies warm at home :-)Also since people have taken days off work, then the p4p scene might be cheaper, since there is less money going around (especially if there is a nationwide strike). Anyway, I saw Putin on cnn with some EU guys, so hopefully Russia are starting to help sort this mess out.

GandJim
11-25-04, 19:12
Ludovico,

I'm just back from Kiev, see my post below. Hold back your trip, until things clear out (and maybe they celebrate and everybody is happy and want to have fun ;)). Usual mongering places were empty, I don't know where all the girls have gone. In Moda bar (I always had a wonderful time there), there were only about 10 guys and 5 girls (that's bad sign), only 2 girls were occupied (even more bad sign, guess how the other 3 look like).

If you speak a little bit Russian, you can try joining the crowd and talk to some girls after they have spent the whole day and night shouting in the cold, but there is no guarantee for any result.

Bez Bezarra
11-25-04, 19:38
Yes!
Right!
Exactly!!

What?

Here comes the man!

Ludovico
11-25-04, 20:45
Gand Jim,

I read your report about Kiev. Dissapointing reading it was too. However, I'm going to give them a couple of weeks to get their acts together and if they don't I'll just go mongering someplace else like Poland or Hungary (just had a buddy come back from northeast Poland, and he told me it was fantastic). It's just my luck that shit like this happens when I'm planning a trip, but as they say in France "c'est la vie".

Man-goose

what's up? I think you're probably right. Putin needs to know he has influence outside of Russia and endorsing (appointing) the next leader of Ukraine probably gives him the satisfaction he can't get from all those young dyevs in his own country (or they wont give him). Putin, is still pissed off about all those NATO f-16's flying missions over the Baltic states and the thought of NATO taking over the second most important neighbour after China, really gets his goat. (Fucking loser, doesn't he know he can't defeat capitalism, it's already kicked his asss once).

Anyway, if good ol' uncle Dubya and Phoney Blair the teddy bear, decide to send in the troops, I'll be one of the first to volunteer. Not every day you get a free trip to "candyland", (Mangus, have you copyrighted this apt description of EE yet?).

Well, being a perverted s.o.b, I'm now going to check out the flirt4free website to get my craving for EE candies. Those biatches drive me nuts with all their teasing.

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11-25-04, 22:24
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Guy #2
11-26-04, 00:41
I just contacted an agency. They are still in business and will send girls. People have to eat. The drop in guys there should make the prices more competitive. You are overreacting.

Krishna247
11-26-04, 09:55
Fellow mongers - In Kiev at the moment and leaving tomorrow. The situation here is very much akin to Poland in 1981, and also harks back to E. Germany in the late autumn of 1989...
Believe me it's cold - and if violence does erupt, then the Putinites will have no qualms in quashing what so far has been a very peaceful & well organised demonstration for democracy.
Lives don't count in the Moscow way of doing things - and believe me you do not want to be around when the water cannon & riot police set about their work.
On the other hand however - you could just confine yourself to your hotel - and just watch this spectacle. At least you could say that you "were there".
Dyevs - are mostly freezing their tits off protesting - and the ones that are not, are the ones you would prefer not to touch.
Cheers I

Vegamars
11-26-04, 12:06
From what I hear from friends over there, I can tell you that there's currently a very sharp dispute between the west evolving from Lvov and the east evolving from Donetsk..

As for the mongering scene, I think things will not be as good as before till at least the second half of January after the long 2-week-Christmas and New Year-vacation.

Meanwhile, it would be a good idea to meet the Ukrainian chicks in other locations abroad...

Doctor_Skank
11-26-04, 12:43
I am in Kiev right now and it is an interesting atmosphere. So far everything is peaceful, but we will have to see how long that lasts. As for clubs, I was at 111 , Tato and Chaikovsky... the crowds were down, but there was still an excellent girl-guy ratio. About 70-30 at 111 and 60-40 at Chaikovsky. Quality of girl is high, 7-8s abound with a sprinkling of genuine 9s...

A lot of expats are staying home or barricading themselves indoors, so if you are here it is like having the town to yourself.

IanJohn is right though, most student age dyevs are marching around during the day, but they are still hitting the clubs at night.

Haven't been to RP or ModaBar yet... maybe next week... provided the situation doesn't escalate by then... :)

Roger Mellie
11-26-04, 16:46
Its a tough time to be on the lookout here now. The atmosphere is all serious and most dyevs seem more interested in politics all of a sudden. Clubs are only half full, and many people are a bit afraid to go out at night.

The streets are full and many dyevs are on the streets, but most of the girls I have seen on the streets are the average looking variety. Heaven knows where Kiev has hidden the fit birds

Vegamars
11-26-04, 18:20
The answer is sample, most of them are away in other cities in the south or even abroad for an early Christmas break..

Roger Mellie
11-27-04, 11:25
The girls are here, just many are at home and dont want to go out, or are out protesting on the streets. One girl told us that all her girlfriends are just not in the mood to party at all this weekend due to the political situation, so will be staying at home, or marching in Kreshchatik

Skank and I took a couple of dancing queen dyevs from 111 back to our apartment last night - at least they were party girls and they didnt seem to have to many qualms about speading their legs and getting a serve. Both looked kinda romanian / odessan with dark straight hair and dark eyes, but both 100% Ukranian apparently

Doctor_Skank
11-27-04, 12:02
The generally pro-debauchery upbeat mood of Kiev has been replaced by some new found political consciousness that I find morally unsound. Make love not war!

Thankfully a few cocktails and dancing at 111 last night rescued RM and I from sexual abstinence and we rescued two vampress dyevs from their political concerns and provided them with an opportunity to fuck for freedom.

I was moved.

Ludovico
11-27-04, 12:46
Doc,

glad to hear that you and the "man on the telly", are still in the persuit of excellence. I guess with you two around hogging all the 9's and 10's that only leaves the 7's and 8's for the rest of us. Anyway, I hope all this political wrangling ends pretty soon, so as soon as my visa arrives I can join you in the sweetshop that is Kiev. I wish you good luck for the hunt yet to come!

Bez Bezarra
11-27-04, 17:51
Aren't we kind of missing the big picture here?

Has anyone here determined yet the important
issue of which of the 2 candidates is really on our
side of the mattress?

Has either one received our official endorsement from MIPUDD,
(Mongers International for the Preservation of Ukrainian Dyev Debauching).

Who do we want?

Yanuts-a-itch Yankmycrankobich or Whobichacockoff Yustanko?

Man I hate politics :-(

Roger Mellie
11-27-04, 18:36
Well if the good guy, Yushenko, wins, the country will become more westernised and wealthier.

I fail to see how that serves my interests.

Buzz00
11-27-04, 21:58
One can certainly see from this link where some the good looking birds are, exactly, freezing their nipples off.

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/FrameSet.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState|1|0|30|0|0|1|0|0|0|51777525|0|0|0|0|0||0|0|0|0&p=1

Cheers,

Buzz

Ludovico
11-28-04, 00:07
Well, I've just seen that the Ukrainian parliament has ruled that the election was flawed. Even though this doesn't change anything it might inspire the supreme court to do the same on Monday morning. The sooner this ends the better for us.

I fully agree with Mangus and Roger (bollocks) Mellie, that the present situation is the best for us mongers, however I believe that any changes in Ukraine are going to take a while to happen, so we will probably have a few years yet to enjoy the benefits of Willy Wonkas Chocolate Factory (Mangus, we'll leave the umpa lumpas for you).

Ham Bloke
11-28-04, 08:36
Keep the ole Ruski spirit alive - let Yanukovych win. Luhansk and Donetsk are calling for autonomous states if he doesn't win.

I see you guys are paying $250 for a girl from RP. That's a month's salary in Kiev. Personally, I've never paid more than $100 in RP. That's only for 8-10. It's doable.

Vegamars
11-28-04, 20:00
The change in Ukraine has been going on for a long time now, depicted by the uprise of the prices in the mongering scene during the last couple of years..

In any case, Ukraine will never be a satellite of Russia nor any other western country via capitalism or modernization...

Most people still don't understand the realm beneath the surface and just assume an erroneous comparison with what's going on or what's happened in other parts of the world.

Hence, nothing's gonna change as for the mongering purposes with any possibility....

BayView
12-01-04, 06:14
So are things there? Looks like it might start getting rough. I was supposed to pass through there today but my flight got cancelled. I'll be going in a week. I'll be reading over this forum and may stay for a day or two. I'm interested in where some of you stay, what it costs and the best places to find girls when you have limted time. I'll do searches but if you can share anything with me, even as a PM, I'd be thankful. Later.

BayView
12-03-04, 01:32
I wonder how you guys deal with sleeping and not worry about girls stealing your passport, cash, etc. What safegaurds do you guys take?

Do you find non-pro's prefer apartments over hotels? In the past I've had girls not want to meet at hotels. Wondering what others have experienced. Not sure where I'll stay yet?

Roger Mellie
12-03-04, 01:48
Abstract:
Two gentlemen travel to Kiev to research how easy it is to score dyevs during a revolution and compare it to previous visits, in which no revolutions were taking place. Careful anecdotal and photographic evidence is analysed and conclusions are then drawn about the impact of revolutions on the sexual behaviour of Kievan dyevs.

Participants:
Roger Mellie, Doctor Skank, Tanya Sure Fuck, Psycho Victoria, Spikey Blonde, The Birthday Teens, Strange Marina, Strange Sveta, Trendy Yulia, Mick Jagger, The Gypsy, Shy Olga, M the German, Adriana Small Tits, Tanya Big Tits, Ugly Alyona, Boring Blonde, Sweet Sveta, RP #1, Natali 19, Old Man Ukraine, German Speaker, Tanya Marriage, The Armenian, The Little One, The Moscow Model, RP #2, Shy Alena.

The Story:

Thurs
5pm Arrive from Airport, settle into the flat and discuss tactics
6.30 pm Mellie opens up his account immediately by calling up a previous freebie. Tanya Sure Fuck (age 25 but still with a fine body, about an 8) incredibly drops everything and comes round at the drop of a hat. Within 15 minutes she is bustled into the jacuzzi where the fun begins. 30 minutes of naked jacuzzi action follows doing everything but the wild thing. It was pleasing that with extremely limited contact over the past 6 months, an ex would just drop everything to come around to play naked jacuzzi, knowing full well that it means she was going to get shafted. When I could contain my load no longer I suggested we adjourn to the master bedroom. The fun continues in the bedroom where Tanya Sure Fuck gets surely fucked. She is the scratching type though, and after giving her a good shag, I notice I emerge covered in scratches. I give her some lingerie, as that then gives me a premise to get her to model it for me in front of my camera. Once thats done, I shoo her out the door with the obligatory "Sorry Tanya but I have a business meeting now".
9pm We (Skank and I) went out as a pair to meet Psycho Victoria at Il Patio restaurant. She is physically good poking potential, about 23 with a decent enough face and a good body (lets call her a 7), but is a bit of a motormouth and complains too much about everything, including being sick. I ask if she has a friend for Skank. She says yes and we agree to meet sometime later as a foursome.
10:30pm head out to 111 cocktail bar. It was ladies night and only girls are allowed in while male strippers perform. Normally this is a surefire night at this particular venue, but we arrived 30 minutes too early so killed time in a local cafe before returning at 11pm fully psyched up for the drunken debauched dyevs inside. Oh how disappointed we were when we descended the staircase to see the place had only about 20 dyevs in there. It would have been at best a quarter full. This was the first sign that Politics was having a seriously adverse effect on dyev hunting. One clearly drunk girl - the Spikey Blonde - eyes up Skank at the bar. In fact she stares at him so intensely that he feels a bit creeped out. After carefully surveying the bar we note that the 2 best looking girls in the bar are in a group of 6 or 7 dyevs. They all look about 18-19. A few of them start making eyes and Skank goes in for the kill, with me close behind. Its the birthday of one of them so we called them The Birthday Teens. All seems to be going well and it looks like we are onto a good thing when inexplicably group pressure induces the bulk of the Birthday Teens to leave. The remnants of the group invite us to join them at another well known Thursday night venue, Chaikovsky, that happens to be 300 yards from our apartment in Bessarabsky Ploschad, and proximity is always a good excuse to get a dyev into the kvartira, right? This Chaikovsky club on Bessarabsky was a bit of a wank to be honest. Full of 18 year old boys wearing hoods and trying to look like rap stars - and failing. Skank's patience wears out with the 2 remaining Birthday teens who were with us and he hits up the girls to come back to the apartment - Strikeout - "we are not that kind of girls" ... how about "blow me bi-atch". So it was back to 111 cocktail bar collecting telephone numbers that don't pan out. A degree of dejection sets in and we head home.

Fri - Walk streets of Kiev to see where all the dyevs are. Loads of eligible dyevage protesting but totally focussed on politics, instead of trying to find a man. A chance 1:30pm internet encounter has me make contact with Strange Marina. We tell Strange Marina to grab a friend and meet us at O'Panas restaurant for lunch in 30 minutes.
2pm Strange Marina (27, and about a 6) and Strange Sveta (22 and also no more than a 6) meet us at O'Panas and over lunch we talk about our Jacuzzi and Sauna and invite the girls to join us for the remainder of the afternoon. "Maybe later" we are told. But you could see they were in fact vaguely interested. We let them wrestle with their inner demons "porn and a good time with Skank and Mellie vs my fine upstanding reputation in the Kievan community" But for now, it was a semi strikeout.
6pm and together we meet Trendy Yulia at TGIF. She was a girl I contacted last time I was in Kiev and never got a chance to catch up with. She seems definately interested in a double date proposal and assures us she has suitable friends for the job. She is 20 ish, looks like a hair model and has a very sexy smile and a good body. I didnt rate her face highly but we both figured she was well worthy of a poke.
11pm and we turned up at the 111 cocktail bar - Spikey Blonde is there and is still eyeing up Skank. Choice of dyevs is again very limited and the place is at best 40% full. Its Friday night at the biggest meat market in town and its less than half full. Middle aged expats propped up the bar in suits and ties. We make our move on a couple of Romanian looking birds - Mick Jagger and The Gypsy. They were having a good time dancing away and hugging and kissing each other. So Skank moved in on Mick Jagger - if you can imagine a slim good figured romanian girl with a face like a young Mick Jagger, this was her. Skank being Skank made immediate progress and I moved in on the less attractive of the pair, who we shall call "The Gypsy" casue she looked like she had a healthy dose of the Roma in her. The Gypsy was by this stage getting quite drunk and I wasted no time in playing tonsil tennis. Skank was having a tougher time with Mick Jagger and team play demands that the player with the easier girl takes the lead, and the more reluctant of the pair then has little choice but to follow. So I hit on the Gypsy to come back to the apartment. A mid table conference was convened between the dyevs and Mick Jagger agreed. We took them back to the apartment about 2am and we had a quick couple of glasses of baileys for additional dyev lubrication. Skank noted Mick's lips appeared to be born for sucking. Mick's 32 year old body was also great, she was a dance instructor.
I dragged The Gypsy (28 with a body about 7 and a face about 4) onto the sofa adjacent to my bedroom, while Skank and Mick Jagger were on the sofa adjacent to his bedroom. Within 5 minutes I was sucking The Gypsys tits. She was getting off so much on this that it was totally pointless to waste more time - she was lubed up to the maxxx - so I pulled her onto her feet and into the bedroom and sure enough she was ready to rock. I gave a her a pretty decent poke and then fell asleep only to wake up about 5am hearing Skanks bird moaning in the next room. 5:30 and Mick comes into my bedroom, taps The Gypsy on the shoulder and says "po idyom" - lets go. To our great pleasure the girls were keen to go after the poking rather than hanging around only to annoy us in the morning. I quizzed Skank on why there was moaning at 5am and he told me Mick was really reluctant .... that neither of these two normally do this sort of thing and it had taken him 3 hours to get her to put out. He confirmed that her lips were truly born to blow and that he gave her a good poke as a reward. He took her number, while I was happy to let mine slip away into the morning icy mist.

Sat - 12pm I called up another old (19 y.o.) contact who "runs her own dating agency" and asked what the odds were to meet some of her girls this weekend and was told - no chance. "Girls wont go out while its so politically unstable - you have no chance of a date this weekend or while the political situation is like this". It was in essence an answer to our initial question, but Skank and I were determined to prove it by empirical evidence rather than mere hearsay.
2pm and after a determined carpet bombing campaign on some internet dating sites we popped a 'C' pill each - available over the counter for 98 grivnya. The pills did the job admirably for the rest of the trip.
4pm I had an arrangement to meet Shy Olga Virgin at TGIF. She was the first recipient of the carpet bombing run but had been waiting OUTSIDE TGIF rather than INSIDE. Its a Ukranian thing, to meet people outside where you say to meet, while we stupid foreigners prefer to meet in the warmth and comfort of inside. So the attempted meeting failed and as Shy Olga had no moobile phone, I packed it in and went back home. Contact came several hours later and we agreed to meet again but I had "a few things" to sort out with another girl (cant remember who right now) so I sent Skank down to deputise and meet Shy Olga at 7pm with me finally showing at 8. Shy Olga was tall but plain. She was 20 and admitted she was a virgin but seemed interested in the idea of losing it. Skank and I decided to let her stew on it rather than to push her and told her to get back in touch when she wanted to meet again. She also told us she had a 22 year old sister who looked like a model. Well both of us have plenty of experience in that particular arena so yet another double date / double poke was a possibility.
10pm meet M the German at Caribbean Club. M the German was a guy Skank knew from a previous visit to Ukraine, but he was leaving tomorrow. This Caribbean Club was supposedly the latin haven of Kiev, but it looked more like a corny set for an amateur theatre production to me. If that wasnt bad enough, it cost a load to get in there, drinks were expensive, and there were no single women at all. It was a total waste of time.
11pm and we hit Tato fashion club. Its a fair ride out of the centre and it looked less than lively when we arrived. It was also decked out with all the style and sophistication of a high school gym - in fact I dont think I would be going too far if I said it looked like a joke from a bad movie. The 3 of us grabbed a beer and had a giggle while some attractive women dancers employed by the club did their funky thing on the stage. By the time we were half way thorough our beers, the decision to go there was looking more promising. People were arriving by the minute, and they were all girls, mostly cute and mostly around 20. A pair set up camp right next to us and started doing their dyev dancing thing. We made eyes at them and Skank and I worked out who was going to go for who. I wanted the taller of the two, a cute blonde with a miniskirt, boots, big tits and a low cut top designed to show them off. Her name was Tanya Big Tits. Skank wanted the shorter one, called Adriana Small Tits. Adriana Small Tits was more plain that Tanya Big Tits and I figured a stud like Skank should have no problems there. Before we got any rhythm into the conversation a fashion show started up and models wearing almost nothing started prancing down a makeshift runway. The crowd here was very clubby with everyone seeming to know everyone else and a really annoying obese bearded MC who looked like Demis Roussos whittering away into his microphone over the top of the music. When the fashion show ended I got back into stride with Tanya Big Tits but Skank was struggling with Adriana Small Tits. It was yet more rejection from an average looking dyev. The obvious "percentage tennis" at this point was for me to get Big Tits phone number and then Skank, M the German and I could blow that place and head back to cocktail bar for some more sluttage. I could always follow up with Big Tits later once I got her number.
1am and we settle in back at the 111 cocktail bar. I met a guy I knew from a previous visit to Kiev who was there with a couple of expat dyevs. The expatellas were drunk and would have been easy targets but we didnt go to Kiev to shag expatellas. Despite their flirting, we denied them service. Saw a couple of fine looking 18 - 20 ish dyevs shaking their groove thing on the dance floor and just when it was time to make a move they went and sat down with ... boyfriends... doh! Dyev selection was grim. Saw a couple of dyevs who were (a) together and (b) without boyfriends so we targetted them.... even though they were average and plain at best. We called them Ugly Alyona and Boring Blonde. Skank went off to flirt with a redhead (he has a thing for them you know) and by the time he gets back, both of us get rejected! Rejected by Plain-Jane Ukranian chicks. We had hit rock bottom. Morale in the team needed an uplift. Skank noted Spikey Blonde was there ... again ... and as usual was making eyes at him most of the night so he decided to cut his losses and grab her and take her home. But wait for it - even this girl who was clearly infatuated with him, pulled out at the last minute after initially agreeing.

Kiev was proving tough.

Stay tuned for part 2

Roger Mellie
12-03-04, 03:32
The Story - Continued
Sun
2pm Bolster flagging mojo by getting Tanya Sure Fuck round. I drag her into the bedroom and the results of the C pill (range of about 4 days) make her gasp. I gave her a long quality poke but hadnt finished yet. As my reward for the good poking, I took some gentlemans photos before reaching into my bag of tricks and pulling out a vibrating butt plug. I plug it into her and turned it on while I shagged her doggy style. Its a nice feeling cause I felt the vibes thru her internal walls. She was shocked but got into it pretty quickly. After 10 minutes or so, I removed the plug and replaced it with me. The poor girl had never been down this road before and I had to take my time before I eventually shot a load into her ass. A few kisses and cuddles in the Jacuzzi and she was back in happy heaven. When I asked her to go at 5pm cause I had "a meeting to go to" she was very disappointed.
Skank meanwhile had been out of the house meeting The Little One. A short girl from one of his internet sites who was the daughter of trendy Kievan aristocracy. The Little One tells him she has a friend, a Model from Moscow visiting and while she was married back in Moscow, would be open to double date at Skank and Mellie's "Moscow Models R us".
6pm and it was another double date with Skank to Morokana restaurant with my Psycho Victoria and her friend Sweet Sveta. Just before going, Shy Olga Virgin called me up and said she needed to meet me at 8pm and mentioned something about trying something new. I was convinced she wanted me to pop her cherry. So at 7:45 I invented a fake emergency phone call, excused myself from dinner (where Skank was making admirable progress with Sweet Sveta) and rushed back to meet Shy Olga for her ritual deflowering. After a few drinks we went for a short walk (to my apartment) but just outside the door she froze and got wet feet. "Ukrainian Girls will never come up to a mans apartment alone" she insisted. I have news for you baby - oh yes they do! But she was clearly thinking of mummy, daddy, the grandparents and how she would let them all down if she succumbed to her lust to lose her virginity. So she turned around and walked off. I was about to go inside but thought I would have one last roll of the dice... I ran down the street and kissed her. She got into it and started hugging me like a bear would. Then after 5 minutes of what I thought would be a prelude to her coming up stairs, she suddenly snapped again, turned around and walked away shamefaced that she had already done so much. No Cigar.
I had this 19 year old called Natali coming in by train from Zaporozhe who was due to arrive at 6 am the next morning and so I was keen for an early night. The plan was to have her with me for a day and a night and pound her ruthlessly.
Skank hits River Palace and scores an attractive skinny blonde in exchange for a photo of Ben Franklin. I wake up at various times in the night to hear giggling and splashing coming from the Jacuzzi. Skank got his money's worth with loads of still and video photography.

Mon 630am - Natali 19 turns up and calls me from downstairs. I trot down to let her in and am shocked and stunned when I meet her on the freezing early morning Kiev Street and she introduces me to ... her Father, Old Man Ukraine, who had travelled with his daughter into Kiev. Neither Natali 19 nor the almost toothless Old Man Ukraine had ever been to Kiev before. This was a major fucking disaster. They werent leaving until at 8pm tonight but I would have to waste an entire day babysitting Old Man Ukraine instead of fucking the arse off his 19 year old daughter, who within 5 minutes made it clear she was infatuated with me. I really dont want to go into this day, cause it was a total disaster from my perspective and I really dont need to relive those most awkward memories. I wrote off a day.
3pm and Skank meets a sweet young plain german speaking bird who we shall call German Speaker. He takes her back to the apartment and despite me sitting there in the living room watching Ukranian political updates with Natali 19 and Old Man Ukraine, he drags German Speaker into his bedroom next door and gets as far as the tit grope and good french kissing action.
5pm and Skank helps me devise an excuse about a business meeting that cuts 3 hours of my babysitting time and gets Natali 19 and Old Man Ukraine out of the apartment and out of my hair. She moans about missing me on the train ride back to Zaporozhe while I shoved then out the door. What kind of stupid bimbo brings her dad along 12 hours to meet a guy?
6pm and it was time to meet Tanya Marriage, another victim of the intensive carpet bombing campaign. Her name was Tanya and she was a secretary in a marriage agency, but didnt like any of the guys who come though. She was tall, slim, blonde, 25 yo and about a 7 overall and we met at a trendy coffee / beer place just off Khreschatik. Skank arrived with The Armenian, a dyev he had poked on a previous trip to Kiev, but couldnt get her too far this time as she had a new man now. I didnt get the sense that I was likely to get a poke of Tanya Marriage in the remaining 36 hours so I didnt push her too far and said goodbye around 8pm. It was a pity meeting her so late, cause a couple more days and dates and she would been poke-able.
8.30pm and I get a call from Strange Marina, who wants to talk dirty. I tell her to come over to the apartment and she starts drooling away in a sexy voice "what do you want to do to me?" I told I will would probably kiss her all over. She says " mmmm, and then what?".... I said just get your butt round to the flat and I will give you the works. "I want to hear what the works is, tell me, tell me" ... she was just stringing me along trying to get me to talk dirty to her. She wanted me to come from phone sex and dirty talk. I prefered the more mentally satisfying alternative of filling her bowels with sperm. This sleazy chit chat went on for 20 minutes before I told her I am hanging up and she was to get her little ass round. Alas, she didnt come. Another time, another mood and She would have been a sure shag too, but I just didnt have time to stuff around talking dirty with only a day or so remaining.
9pm Skank was out with Sweet Sveta on a follow up date, before taking her back to the flat and getting jiggy with her titties. That was his second taste of new titties in 6 hours.
Midnight and Skank called the Little One and she tells us to meet her and Moscow Model at this decadent place about 200 yards from our flat. We could hardly refuse to go as it was a 3 minute walk and they were already there. We had a few cocktails and made a good foursome. The Little One was clearly infatuated with Skank (a puddle formed under her seat every time Skank touched up her thighs) and The Moscow Model was having a better time than she expected to have. She cleverly checked herself whenever it became too obvious that she was enjoying my company - it isnt proper for married Moscow Models to show they are happy in the company of a guy they just met. But neither of us was ever going to get a score there that night and we said goodbye as the girls made their way home. Skank was happy to try River Palace again after the good value he had the previous night, and I decided to join him and pay for play for my first time in the Ukraine.
2am - at the palace, got a well located table and cased out the joint. Unlike Skanks previous night, there were loads of girls there and they clearly outnumbered the guys. I targeted the best looking girl in the place and went over to her. $300. I chuckled in her ear and said if she decides she wants to make a enjoyable $100, to tap me on the shoulder. A few other girls there came back with $200s and about my 4th choice agreed $100. Skank meanwhile was striking out. He tried a bunch and couldnt get anything lower than $200. I told him I would split with mine while he tried to find one and 20 grivnya later was back at the flat with RP#2. It was a disaster. Sometimes you get the stubborn unfriendly bitches who seemed so nice when they were touting for your business and sometimes you get the genuine girls who get into it. This one was the former. First she threw a tantrum and wouldnt get into the Jacuzzi, then she freaked out about cameras, accidentally knocking my digital onto the floor and breaking it. There was nothing left to do but to shaft her ruthlessly. She really pissed me off and the combination of the C and a few drinks meant I was able to pound her hard and fast for about an hour, resting only to catch my breath. Just when she thought I might have finally come, I fired up again pounding the crap out of her. She left early and on bad terms. I will post her pic later so you know to avoid her. She was the pits - one of those experiences that make you think you will never shell out for p4p again. No camera posing, no alcohol, no jacuzzi, no friendliness no anything. Skank returned from River Palace with nothing - he couldnt find anyone he wanted at a decent price.

Tue
2pm and another carpet bombing target is to be met. Shy Alena at TGIF. We chat for about 45 mins over a Caesar salad and then I invite her back to flat to have some Baileys and listen to some music. Skank was out meeting Shy Olga giving her a last shot so I had the pad to myself. Shy Alena was short, very plain (we had way to many plain birds but thats just the way we had to cover ourselves on this trip) 20 and shy. I didnt want to waste time on my last day and figured I have a few hours to kill before meeting the next dyev, so I might as well get a mouthful of new titties. Just when the kissing is hotting up and I am literally seconds away from her titties, her mobile phone rings. Its Mum. "Where are you" I hear Mum barking into the phone. Doh! Shy Alena snaps out of the passion induced stupor and says she has to go home to her mum, but not before a long lingering face suck by the door. If only I had another 10 minutes.
5pm Skank visits Mick Jagger at a place in her part of town (a bunch of metro stops away) but Mick was on her period so Skank bugged out and returned ASAP.
6pm I met Psycho Victoria at the coffee / bar place off Khreshchatik (by now we had the feel of the cool places in central Kiev to use as meeting places and bars to go to). Psycho Victoria was feeling better (having been sick for most of out visit) and we go for a bit of a walk and have a nice kiss goodbye. I mention to her that her mate Sweet Sveta is coming around later and would probably be poked by Skank and that Psycho Victoria was welcome to join me in emulating them but a bit of kissing was all I was going to get that night from her.
9pm Skank gets Sweet Sveta to visit him at the flat and goes to town on her, getting her over the line on the last night. He reported using the "schizo" technique on her and getting her into the jacuzzi for the first time in her life before giving her what he described to me as a top quality shag. She left at 11.
I meanwhile was out on a date with Tanya Big Tits. I wasnt expecting too much from it and had another date lined up for 11 pm. But Tanya Big Tits I found out was only 19. I had thought she was about 25. On hearing this news I redoubled my efforts for one last shot at glory. I plied Tanya Big tits with cocktails first at the decadent place and then at a new Klitshko bar Orangerie. Both were stylish elegant lounge bars with funky music - my scene - By midnight we were kissing and groping away in Orangerie and it was past the 11:30 deadline that anyone who wants to get home by public transport in Kiev has to abide by. And Tanya Big Tits lived an hour away by metro and mashrutki. It wasnt exactly nearby. So how was she planning to get home?? I invited her back to the flat which was nearby - 100 metres away in fact. Once inside I gave her a baileys to help think things over, (there was almost none left as Skank had used a truckload to get Sweet Sveta over the line only hours earlier) and suggested she stay the night. Before long I had her straddling me on the sofa and was kissing those 19 year old big tits while slipping my fingers under her thong - she was all wet and ready to rumble. Her initial suggestion of sleeping on the sofa was swept aside and I led her into the bedroom where she got another good serve. Skank and I may not have had as much shagging as we would have liked on this trip but there were no poor performances. She loved riding cowgirl style and had a particular angle worked out that obviously made her cum. Every 20 mins or so she took up that position and came with a minute or two. She was also particularly adept with her hips, having the grinding motions pretty much perfected at the tender age of 19. After no less than 75 minutes of very vigorous poking and all manner of positions, I pulled out of her and came in her mouth. She swallowed every drop. We collapsed. It was a top class poke.
I had no idea where Skank was that night but awoke to noises around 5:30 am. It was a good enough excuse for me to lube up Tanya Big Tits and slip a second serve in from behind. I dont know if she heard the muffled moans coming from Skanks room, but I deliberately made more noise than usual to help muffle the moans. Again I got to come in her mouth after a long slow poke.
Tanya Big Tits and I eventually woke around 9:30am to find another pair of boots in the hallway - Skank had obviously scored - and the kitchen full of prawns. It was someone with a seafood fetish. About 10:15 am Skank emerges and confesses it was Spikey Blonde in the bedroom. He had gone back to the cocktail bar and it was packed with talent. He had been hit by loads of birds. One bird asked if he would like to make some plans for the night that included her, while Spikey Blonde who had been to the bar every night for the last 4 nights waiting for Skank to return, approached him and asked him to help with her trouser zipper - with a warning "be careful - I have no underwear on". He picked Spikey Blonde to reward her for her perseverance and her bubbly personality.
So the first normal bar night in Kiev came on the last night. Thats the sort of thing you expect from the cocktail bar every night, but we missed it the first 5 nights. On the 6th and final night, it arrived.


Final Results:
Mellie
3 Freebies (2 new, 1 from earlier visit)
1 p4p

Skank
3 Freebies (3 new)
1 p4p

One frustrating thing was the last 36 hours or so we were really getting into a good groove and both of us had 2-3 more on the verge of going over if we just had an extra day or two.

Conclusions:
We both got rejected a hell of a lot. We were getting rejected by 6s and 7s and lower in a few cases. That was clearly at odds with earlier visits to Kiev which saw us "in a zone". We concluded that in the current politically charged atmosphere it was in fact considerably harder pulling freebies in Kiev right now than in Moscow. Historically Kiev has been easier than Moscow, some would say considerably easier. Political activism is clearly at odds with sexual activity.

Toscana
12-03-04, 10:07
Roger,

great warts and all reporting. All goes to show that even a difficult week in Kiev is better than a normal week in most countries. Plenty of typos - guess you were desperate to get that report in before Skank came up with a completely different version of events. :)

Roger Mellie
12-03-04, 10:25
late night typing until 3am just to get it all out before I forget the juicier details. Am editing typos now. Cheers

PS... pics (of my dyevs) now available in the pics section ... and I am kinda hoping the stories dont contain warts!

Doctor_Skank
12-03-04, 23:05
Ham Bloke:

I agree with you in principal that $100 should be target price in RP. However achieving this price isn't always possible. In fact, in an effort to do so, on one night I actually STRUCK OUT at RP. Now that takes talent... :)

To exercise my point... I went to RP twice last week and had two totally different experiences.

On Sunday night many girls available for $100. I made a quick selection that was very satisfactory. High quality girl. Great attitude. Great vibe. Great sex all night long. Another wonderful case of a dynamo girl that just wants to keep fucking and won't let you sleep after the initial rounds. A very good investment.

On Monday night the place was full of attractive girls, but they were very adamant about minimum price being $150... in fact most insisted on $200+.

It wasn't a matter of being resilient or waiting it out. I did wait it out. I was resilient... even charming at times. However a common answer was "I only go for $200" or even a short and snotty "$200 take it or leave it". Some girls were even downright rude when I said I'd never pay that much, simply turning away and motioning for me to go away... a classic brush off. Not only will I never pay $200 at RP, I'll definitely never go with a rude pro.

It also wasn't a matter of too much competition. There were about 10 guys and 40 girls there, about half of the 10 guys already occupied and in fact appeared to be local. So 35 girls were competing for 5 guys and still not budging in price.

In fact, on that Monday night, it got late and I got bored and I simply left alone, hitting up 2 girls in a last gasp effort with an offer of $100 for 3 hours at about 4am but still getting blown off. So no, $100 for a decent girl (not to mention the elusive 9) isn't always possible. As tired and annoyed as I was, I wasn't going to pay more since I really wouldn't have gotten much out of it. Instead I saved my energy for the clubs on Tuesday night. Energy that I would need in abundance. More on that later.

As for quality of girl at RP it was genuinely high, however I did not see many 9s and certainly no 10s at RP. I saw maybe 2 or 3 girls I'd give a 9 rating to in 2 days at RP. And this was in that low light pros love... in natural they were most likely in fact 8s. Having a great body doesn't make a girl a 9 in my book. Most Ukrainian pros of any caliber have a great body. As for the few 9s, my mate RM chatted up one of the rare 9s and she wanted $300. Laughable. RM, in keeping with the WSG spirit, blew her off unceremoniously. I wish he'd blown a massive load all over her smug face, but not at that price tag.

Doctor_Skank
12-04-04, 03:16
Recently got back from a 5 day excursion to Kiev. I met up with Roger Mellie, a great mate and fellow hedonist. His report is a post or two back, detailing his experiences and ours together. It’s great reading to get an idea of what it’s like in Kiev during these turbulent times.

Going out with RM was great, not only to he share taking the initiative and leading the charge on numerous occasions, he also provided excellent wingman support in my endeavours. And failing to score but still having a mate to drink and carouse with took any measure of bitterness out of the cold 4am Kiev air. If you can find a WSG member to prowl with you during your excursions I suggest you do so. We hooked up with yet another WSGer I knew from Odessa for one night and he was a good mate and we all had fun.


Although RM correctly reports that we received more rejections than we are used to... and that from relatively average birds... we still established contact quickly and fairly effectively. We somehow didn't manage to put the ball between the goal posts as often as we may have been expecting and are accustomed to, but I still did go 2 for 4 and attribute our lack of success to an odd anti-sexual atmosphere in the air (thanks Yushenko), some tactical errors on my part (hitting up too many girls in one night in plain sight of everyone) and the fortunes of freebie hunting, which sometimes deliver a night of bliss and just as often leave you alone and wondering what went wrong.. Perhaps our expectations were too high or our tactics inappropriate in these turbulent times, however I enjoyed every trip to 111 immensely... at the very least there was plenty of flirting to be done. Here are some reports from the clubs…

Doctor_Skank
12-04-04, 03:17
Club 111 on a Thursday…

“My worst night”

After checking in and getting set up, we went to the internet café and did some “dyev admin”, trying to set up dates, get a few pro numbers etc. This would be a daily ritual and did pan out to a certain extent as we both collected numerous telephone numbers and met a few girls. I didn’t actually screw any of them but did get some kissing and some titty action… not bad considering I put very little effort or money into it and didn’t meet any of them for more than an hour or two. I did meet several girls I’d like to see again but did not have time to actively pursue during this trip… but contact was established, making stage 2 that much easier when I return.

We went to 111, which RM had scored well in before and our fears were confirmed as we saw the club only partially full on an otherwise top clubbing night. This would remain true throughout our stay, no club ever truly filled up or got more than about 1/2 full at best.

Located on the same premises of Hotel Lubid, it remains one of Kiev's premier expat locations for dyev hunting. Moreover, it was almost the only place that showed at least decent action every night of the week (and we tried a lot of places) and was seemingly revolution-proof... and even more interestingly, it was the only club the received universally positive reviews from the more than a dozen of girls we met, including those mentioned in his report ... Mick Jagger and the Gypsy might have been there for the first time, but everybody else from Tanya Big Tits, to the Armenian, the Little One and even my jealous RP pro happily frequented the location. So it seems to draw both slutz and respectable birds as well... Combine this with relatively affordable (22-28 Grivna) well-proportioned cocktails, late opening hours, a rotating bar and decent danceable music and we have a lovely combination

At 111 we drank Cosmopolitans… I don’t know why really, but it is an easy to drink cocktail and fairly light on the stomach… I actually usually enjoy the trendier mojitos and caipirinhias, however these pack to much juice to drink over the course of a night. I stuck to Cosmopolitans, Vodka-Red Bull (Burn actually), Baileys, Mojitos and beer for most of the trip.

I can’t remember the chain of events in perfect detail, but I do remember spotting Spikey Blonde staring at me as soon as we were at the bar. RM actually commented on it as it was really obvious, like some weird death stare or like she was trying to perform the Jedi Mind Trick on me. In a way, it was kind of creepy… but I thought she was cute, so I stared back. When making eye contact with Russian chicks (yeah I know Ukrainians aren’t Russians…whatever) I like to maintain it as long as possible. Seems to me they are used to making guys look away when they stare (and they do love to stare) but if you hold your own you express the kind of confidence they universally adore. Spikey Blonde is kind of a punk girl with a cute face and, as I would discover a few days later, a great body and a demon in the sack. Within 5 minutes she came over to me and more or less latched on to me. It actually made me a bit uncomfortable, as she was cute and everything but certainly no bombshell and the night was young. She kept saying we should go to Chaikovsky as it was better tonight. I told her maybe I’d see her there and blew her off politely. I was hoping… and planning really.. on something else.

After a few moments we spotted some cute teens and made our move. I spoke to one, somewhat of a Christina Ricci look-alike but lacking the extra pounds and soon we had met all 5 or 6. It looked promising… some subtle hand on knee action that met with satisfaction etc… but then after about 1 hour they were gone… all of a sudden they packed up their things and left, only leaving behind the ugliest of the two. With these two in tow we went to Chaikovsky, a mid-sized bi-level club in the center of town. It was ok at best, and subsequent info from other girls would confirm that Chaikovsky was once very good but has since gone to the dogs.

Speaking of, our dogs were at the bar drinking on our account and I consulted briefly with RM before proposing to the girls that we return to the apartment for drinks. The uglier one (which I was now hitting on) looked confused until the birthday girl told me defiantly “we are not that kind of girl”. What does that mean, she has a penis?

Thoroughly annoyed I told her she “should go dance.. alone” and shooed them off. They scurried away. After that exchange I quickly realized the error in my actions, as the birthday teens from earlier than night, who had my number, certainly would get a report from the ugly birthday girl and avoid us. Which they did. No call back.

We returned to 111 and I collected a number from the girlfriend of a girl I liked, but despite an exchange of SMSs, it didn’t pan out. Commo problems. Someone called me and wanted to meet me the next day, but I couldn’t figure out who it was and the meeting never materialized. Maybe it was her, who knows.

Thursday night ended unceremoniously as RM and I returned to our abode empty-handed and wondering where we went wrong.

Doctor_Skank
12-04-04, 03:17
Mick and the Gypsy at 111 (Friday):

“You can’t always get what you want...but sometimes you might just get what you need...”

After Thursday night’s relative failure, we found ourselves at 111 again and although I don't remember the exact course of events I do remember that we were eyeing two Ro-looking birds RM has accurately described as a female Mick Jagger and a Gypsy. We kept checking them out during the course of the night as they got loaded on cocktails and danced up a storm. Turns out Mick is a professional dancer, as her body would later prove. After our initial targets suddenly had local boyfriends, we decided to explore other options. Mick kept eyeing me as she danced and smiling at me with that big fleshy Mick Jagger grin so when she came by the bar I reached out and grabbed her and we began talking in Russian... turns out she and her friend are from Donetsk originally but now living in Kiev.

RM and I held a brief tactical meeting and concluded that we should take what we could get and get out of the club with these girls as quickly as possible before they:

a) sober up
b) or get too drunk to walk
c) discover new found morality in these patriotic times.

Maybe being from Yanukovich's bastion of neo-Russian conservatism helped, but most of all it was RM that led the way now, as after some dancing with Mick I returned to the table to find RM with his tongue down Gypsy's throat and his hand on her tit. Nice. Mick was shocked at her friend's lewd behavior, but I was already collecting our coats before she knew what was happening. Quickly we scurried them into the cab and zoomed home, even as I heard them argue amongst one another if they should do this. Gypsy was all over RM though and Mick had little choice to follow suit. Nor did we really ever allow them to pursue any other options. We just kept the momentum moving towards our pad.

After a brief drink in our apartment, Gypsy was all over RM and they disappeared to go bone and I went to work on Mick. Mick turned out to be tougher than I thought though, and I had to resort to…god forbid… romance to get her in the sack, whispering sweet nothings into her ear and corny crap like “ya hochu tebya sechas, zavtra i poslezavtra…”

And posle-posle zavtra, what’s then?

But I managed to get her into the bedroom and the self-proclaimed “bely neger” soon succumbed to my octopus tactic and once I got some tongue on her tit she was off like a rocket and turned out to be an incredible fuck… a dance instructor, she was incredibly limber, easily putting her legs up on my shoulders or even up around her head as I ruthlessly rodded her trimmed twat… her Mick Jagger lips were put to good use too, as she could suck like a Hoover vacuum cleaner… plenty of those slobbering and sucking noises I so enjoy. I finished by fucking her from behind and then flipping her around and straddling her face while shoving my cock down her throat as best I could before cumming and letting her suck me dry. It was a massive build up too, so she did indeed get her RDA of protein. We slept soon after doing the nasty.

Mick got up early and after writing down her mobile number, went to collect a nearly comatose Gypsy… eventually we all were up and kicked out the girls, noting that they had not asked for taxi money… a rarity in FSU.

RM and had a good laugh discussing the night’s events and returned to bed in an attempt to score some elusive sleep… RM had been noticeably more relaxed early in the trip, having broken the seal with his regular girl, the cute and delightfully innocent Tanya. She had such a positive personality and was so obviously excited to see RM that she was getting at least as much out of it as he was. Now I had at least unloaded and could look towards the weekend with vain optimism.

BayView
12-04-04, 19:16
I'll arrive in Kiev Wednesday. Is anyone else going to be there and want to meet?

Doctor_Skank
12-04-04, 23:10
111 report 3 (tuesday):
“my best night”

saturday had been a fun night with lots of female contact as detailed in rm’s report, lots of dancing and flirting, but rather unsatisfying as i again went home alone. i am sure that i committed numerous tactical errors, but i wasn’t really employing any tactic beyond the hand grenade in the fishbowl technicque. it should have worked too, and spikey blonde and i, who really should have been fucking each other since day 1, yet again failed to connect as she got tangled up with an old girlfriend and i got tired of waiting after 10 minutes.

sunday i elected for the rp option and did very well…

monday i employed the octopus tactic on a german speaking dyev from the internet and at least got some good macking and tit-groping in while rm, natali 19 and old man ukraine watched tv in the next room before kicking her out to meet sweet sveta and get a little farther with her. i got some tit off of her and set her up for the next day, as there was no point in going for the score on this night. after that rm had an enjoyable date with two cuties, the little one and moscow model, as detailed in his report. we then went to rp, where i failed to score at rp due to price conflicts, as i detailed in a previous report. rm managed to find a über-suka, whose pleasant demeanor went suddenly sour as soon as she was back in the apartment.

so it was tuesday, my last day in country, and i was determined to get laid... but still unwilling to emply the nuclear option for a second time. i had completely overscheduled tuesday, with 5 appointments and 2 girls on call. considering the fact that most girls worked during the day, the evening schedule would probably not allow me to see more than two or three.

my initial appointment was at 2 with olia the virgin. rm had made little progress on this basket case earlier, but i thought i would make one last ditch effort before writing her off. her appearance certainly wasn’t worth the effort we made, but she was a virgin and did seem interested in losing it, so i thought i’d test the waters. we met at shato, a bar with an in house brewery serving decent beer. normally a good place to go, its location in the center of town however meant it was surrounded by the tent people chanting slogans and living like rats celebrating their revolution. by now i was very annoyed by this pathetic excuse for a revolution. already kiev +5 and i still hadn’t seen a single tank let alone heard a shot fired in anger. it wasn’t that i really wanted a bloodbath during my mongering trip or anything, but the novelty of peaceful protestors blockading the entire main drag kreshatik had definitely worn off by day 3 and was now a mere annoyance. even worse, the orange-clad protestors were starting to get a bit surly and were occasionally stopping people at the doors of buildings.. including my internet café… to “check for spies”. i think they’ve been watching too much tv. anyway, i made sure to wear my orange hilfiger t-shirt every day in a declaration of faux allegiance.

soon after meeting olia i realized it was a waste of time. i had originally planned to get her back to the apartment and employ the octopus tactic, with the schizo tactic as a reserve. but after ten minutes i realized this girl was about as sexual as a lump of coal and i quickly drank my beer and got ready to go. just to salvage something from the encounter though, i did some sweet talking and at least got some kissing and hand holding. i also informed her that her backwater views on sexuality could ruin her life, as if she didn’t at least try out some men she’d never even know what she likes in a man. ridiculously naïve and innocent, olia the virgin didn’t get laid during our stay, but she did manage to kiss two foreign guys in the course of 2 or three days.. i’m sure she is filling her diary with pathetic prose right now… and i am equally sure that the precious virginity that she has been saving up for 20 years now will fall unceremoniously in 2005. who will it be? it won’t be me.

i then quickly jetted out to see mick, who lived out by minskaya metro. we met at a decent bar/restaurant called limpopo, which had a latin theme. nothing special, but ok. not wanting to waste time, i suggested we go back to my apartment because i wanted to be alone with her. i really only wanted an opportunity to get some pics and a quick shag in, but she informed me that she was on the rag.

check please!

so i jetted back to town and rested for an hour before meeting sweet sveta, the 20ish secretary girlfriend of rm’s psycho victoria, who truly is psycho. in fact, the night before while eating at maracon with victoria and sveta, victoria went off on a tirade about nazis and the occult in the third reich and after i said i was a history buff she started quizzing me on the armament of the p-51d mustang fighter place from world war ii. what a wacko! still has a cute face and a nice little pooper though, so i forgive her.

anyway, sveta comes over and i maneuver her on to the couch, realizing i only have about a 2 hour window of opportunity to score before she has to go home to her grandmother. so i give her some bailey’s and employ the octopus tactic, using all 8 tentacles so that she can’t defend herself. she proves reluctant though, and i switch to the schizo tactic… paraphrased as follows:

“are you afraid of me?”

“a little”

“why?”

“i don’t know”

“you know, sometimes when i look at you i see a little girl, and sometimes i see a woman”.

“what do you see now?”

“i see a scared little girl”

“now i am embarrassed and feel stupid”

“don’t be”

“i’m cold”

“we can go in the jacuzzi”…

“ok…”

“now are you a girl or a woman?”

“i’m a woman”

once in the jacuzzi, which by some “miracle” was already running, a tit fondle and a digit in her moist pussy induced the ever popular “ya hochu tebya” and it was off to the races. not wanting to disappoint her in her first jacuzzi encounter and first poke with a foreigner, i gave her the full program and she went off.. i really enjoyed watching her eyes roll back into her head and listening to her moan incomprehensible phrases in russian… a most satisfying poke.

a brief dip in the jacuzzi and i kick her out back to grandma, and call up the little one, who seemed so eager the night previous. regrettably the little one is at home and her mom won’t let her out… she says had she known it was my last night out we could have met somehow. perhaps a tactical error on my part, but i didn’t know how long the sveta encounter would last. so we exchange a few nice words on the phone before i redress to go to 111.

i briefly considered going to rp which has cheap entrance on tuesday night, meaning loads of dyevs, but instead elected to go to 111, which had gotten rave reviews from rm.

in the meantime rm had been texting me that he was making progress with tanya big tits, the sexy chick we had met at some provincial disco two days previous. on that fateful saturday, we had actually met adriana little tits first, whom i chatted up and figured i had a good chance with… young, no tits, average face, cheap clothes…what could go wrong? unfortunately adriana seemed to know everybody in the club and was uninterested in some foreign guy, so she unceremoniously rejected me, even as rm made headway with tanya big tits.

anyway on this particular tuesday night, we agree that if rm is making progress he has the flat to himself for awhile and i am going to 111.

at 111 i am instantly hit on by a girl. a cute face and good body, she somehow annoys me though and although i maintain some interest and note her as an emergency option, i don’t commit, as the night is young. she has really latched on though. thankfully spikey blonde shows up. as she walks by i reach out and grab her, we hit it off instantly. she is obviously very interested. at some point i am standing next to the bar eyeing a redhead across the way straddled on either side by annoying girl and spikey blonde when annoying girl asks me:

“do you have any plans tonight?”

i say “no, do you?”

she says “i don’t… but i’m hoping to make some”

at that point spikey blonde asks me to help her with her zipper, warning me to be “gentle”, since she “isn’t wearing any underwear.”

i sense the evening has taken a turn for the better.

annoying girl asks me if i am going to make her fight with spikey blonde for me and i tell annoying girl that i want to talk to spikey blonde. annoying girl reminds me that she is waiting just in case i change my mind. damn, the poor girl must have been really desperate for a fuck!

i observe the club action and note that nearly all of the expats there are getting way too drunk to score. i think they might have had a chance, but now they barely able to stand, including 3 french guys who end up crawling up the stairs.

there are still some cute chicks available, but i am totally into spikey blonde now, she is a lot of fun and really a good flirt. i have long since made my decision. several drinks later we leave the club, stopping at the supermarket to get some seafood and drinks and stopping at her apartment to pick up her school bags for the next morning.

back at the pad, we cook a huge meal and literally destroy the kitchen, the cleaning lady will hate me. spikey blonde shows me some pictures of her as a teen model in odessa, she used to have long brown hair. she looked damn good. i maneuver spikey blonde towards the bedroom, as i am getting tired and want to still give a good performance, she briefly gets cold feet but quickly succumbs to my (very genuine) affection.

spikey blonde turns out to be an amazing fuck, i really should have tapped that earlier. her pussy is shaved absolutely bare and after some initial tightness getting in, she became wetter than any girl i’ve ever had recently, actually ever if memory serves. after a few minutes of poking there was literally a huge wet spot on the bed and the juices were flowing down her legs with such intensity that i initially thought she had just gotten her period. but no, it is merely pussy juice.. like a liter of it! she is quite vocal and tells me to hurry up, she is coming too often and it is too intense. i should have recognized the chemistry that existed between us since day 1 and went for it earlier. oh well. i end up finsihing in her mouth, which has become somewhat of a kiev tradition.

finally sometime in the morning we stop boning. regreattbly tanya big tits is gone already, but rm is there with a coy smile on his face. at first spikey blonde is shy about seeing rm, but i convince her it is all ok.

shortly thereafter, we all go downstairs together and part company, rm and i head to the airport.

in retrospect, i am sure that we missed a lot of opportunities and commited some tactical errors. nonetheless, i had a great time and despite the annoying revolution, still managed to enjoy kiev nightlife to its fullest. i’ll be back soon enough, but first i am going to wait out the political situation.

if you’ve got kiev on your schedule in the near future, the airports are still open and so are the clubs. things are slow right now, there is no denying it. the girls seem quite cautious as well, and the worry of politics isn’t exactly an aphrodisiac, but with some work and luck you’ll still get where you want to go. and if not, you can just pay for it…

Roger Mellie
12-05-04, 14:31
I've got a couple of PMs asking about wingmen - is it better with or without etc ... I guess it depends entirely on your wingman. Personally I prefer hanging out in bars and working that angle, and to do that is easier if you are with someone. Hanging out in bar solo is like having "desperado" tattooed on your forehead. But as a pair it works much better.

Skank and I worked particular well together. We have teamed up a couple of times in Moscow in the past for single evenings - always with good results, but this was the first major double bill. There are probably 3 main reasons for the successful partnership.
(1) we have different tastes in women. He prefers the petite look, and has a tendency to end up with brunettes or redheads. He also has no issues with curly hair. I prefer the tall blonde look and dont do curly hair - straight blonde hair all the way for me.
(2) we offer something different to women. This way they are going to be clear about what guy they want (Shy Olga was a bit confused but that is the exception). Skank is more the youthful trendy look while I am more the suit look. The birds we end up in Moscow as a result as for him typically 18-22, young and living at home whereas mine are typically 22-27, with their own car and apartment.
(3) we have the same perspective on mongering. We dont try and compete for the same chicks. Both of us prefer to hang out in bars and pick up freebies and show them a genuinely good time, with only the rare foray into the p4p world. There is no point going mongering with a guy who wants to be at river palace or phoning GIA every night if you want to be at 111 Cocktail bar.

InterTraveler
12-05-04, 16:08
I'll be in Ukraine on Business next week and for part of Jan. I'd love to hook up with other mongers in Ukraine. PM me privately

Toronto Guy

Tony70
12-07-04, 00:07
I was working in Kiev last week and due to the current political instability, many ATM machines and also shop retailers/restaurants and hotels would not accept foreign credit cards as payment.

Even half way through my stay, my hotel would not accept credit card payment. So do check with the retailer/shop before you make a purchase. The ATM in Raiffeisen Bank near Zhylians'ka 43 just off Independence Square would allow me to withdraw cash.


One of the reasons for this is that the national bank system will not pay retailers any credit card payments for 28 days. This is to help stabilise the economy.

Cheers Tony70

Doctor_Skank
12-07-04, 01:01
Moscow vs. Kiev

The inevitable (eternal) question.

Maybe it is a inane comparison as yes, they are both two completely different cities that defy comparison… and yes, it is like comparing apples and oranges… Moscow is a world-class chew-you-up-and-spit-you-out Megapolis… Kiev an overgrown yet grotesquely pleasant village.

Yet despite the fact that comparing them inevitably polarizes the respective Kiev and Moscow boards into entertaining bouts of futile monger patriotism in the names of lands they require a visa just to be allowed to visit, we do love comparing them, because many a much-anticipated mongering trip boils down to that provocative question: “do I go to Kiev, or do I go to Moscow? “

Before I am happily banished back to the Russia board by the Ukraine board’s patron saints, here my brief analysis based on my visits there. I am not a Kiev expert as I am sure those Kiev experts on this board will spare no length to point out, but I have been there often enough to at least present things from my novice perspective, which may be of interest to those who have yet to visit and just like me, do not yet already “know everything”. It’s all an educational process as far as I’m concerned, and I do enjoy going to school with all of you.

1) Relative beauty of the girls/women:

Both cities abound with beauties who are, for those not familiar with Slavic women, incredibly varied in size, shape, skin color, hair color, complexion, body type etc etc. This is in itself one of the great things about the now defunct USSR... they spread the wealth on exotic (from our perspective at least) beauty exceedingly well. Now with the regions surrounding Moscow and Kiev continuing to fall apart, the two cities draw their respective country's wealth of beauty into them as well. Pretty, smart girls and often pretty dumb girls as well seek their fortune in the big city. If anything, this phenomenon is more extreme in Moscow than in Kiev. As far as which city offers the most beauty, this is really a toss up and a matter of taste. You won't go wrong in either place. For my money's worth Moscow offers more variety than Kiev and I have definitely seen more beautiful women in Moscow than in Kiev... but I've also been to Moscow much more often. Either way, provided this annoying revolution finds a conclusion soon, either city will offer you a lot of eye candy, some of it even lickable.

I give this one a “Draw”, the verdict is still out on this. Right now however, the revolution is definitely keeping Kiev's beauty under wraps. Hope they reappear soon. And damn, I can’t wait for Spring when the dyevs air out their snatches in mini-skirt season.

2) Cost of visit:

Moscow is definitely more expensive than Kiev. It doesn't have to be unbearably so, but it is. If an apartment costs $70 in Kiev, it costs $100+ in Moscow. If a cocktail costs $5 in Kiev, it costs $9 in Moscow. Your running costs in Moscow will be at least 30% higher than in Kiev, if not more. A lot of this depends on your lifestyle, but to find the hottest chicks in Moscow, you’ll have to exercise some lifestyle. They adore it.

Kiev wins hands down.

3) Clubs:

Moscow blows Kiev away in the sheer number and relative quality of clubs. None of the mainstream or even so-called "good" clubs I visited in Kiev would even make a dent in the Moscow scene... in fact most of the clubs visited reminded me of clubs in the Moscow Oblast or somewhere out in Himki. Hell, some of them even had day-glo fluorescent decorations on the walls. Caribbean Club, supposedly a good place, was a fucking dive, as was Chaikovsky. A couple of the “elite” clubs in Kiev could hold their own in Moscow, but there really is no comparison in terms of overall clubbing venues. At least not from what I saw. This is probably due to the sheer amount of loose cash in Moscow that needs to be laundered. It is not uncommon for club owners in Moscow, whose sponsors are involved in obscure cash-producing endeavours, to drop a million bucks into an elite club... and yes, you do see the difference. Does this really matter? Not really I suppose. Kiev’s dyevs are going to go somewhere, day-glo decor or not. Still, in this category…

Moscow wins hands down.

4) Pro action in pickup bars

River Palace is more Night Flight than Chesterfields (D&M Boarhouse) in terms of ambience and physical quality of girls, with ModaBar somewhere in between. I don't have enough experience in Kiev to make any sort of definitive judgement on my part, but I liked RP's layout... yet wasn't ultra happy with the women. I scored one very "villing" girl there for $100... and a day later only met ultra-bi-aches who wanted $200 for the time of day. This can happen at CF too I suppose, and at NF you know you aren't escaping for less than $200... but when going there you know the score. At RP, it was schizophrenic. Recently I haven't found any good alternative pickup bars in Moscow, aside from the pricey Metalitsa/casino variety... but I personally still give Moscow a slight edge for a variety of venues and Kiev an edge for affordable high quality available at RP...provided you get there on a night when the biach factor is low. In the end it is a draw as for the normal monger there is really no difference whether you go to River Palace/CF/ModaBar or NF.... maybe a slightly different pricetag... that's all.

Draw.

5) Pro action via internet/agencies

I didn't do this and can't comment, sorry. However I was getting quoted $50/hour, $70 2 hours, $150 night. I personally just don’t like call in. Probably Moscow has the edge since the scene is much more expansive there, but I decline any judgement on my part.

6) Crime and militia hassles

Relative crime is low in both cities, this shouldn't be a real concern. The Moscow militia are much more of a hassle than the Kiev sort however, who are generally uninterested in hassling foreigners.

Kiev wins by default.

7) Picking up non-pro women
Certainly Moscow women are more sophisticated and cosmopolitan than the Kiev variety, but this doesn’t necessarily mean that Moscow women prefer sleeping alone. I think a big factor in both places, but probably even more so in Moscow, is the return on vaginal investment factor. If the Moscow bird thinks you’ll be a frequent return visitor or even live in Moscow at some point, she’s much more likely to spread than if she thinks you're another star-struck expat on his semi-annual trip to Nirvana. There are numerous approaches to this aspect of the game and obviously not every monger is willing to play… there is definitely something to be said for those short-term visitors concentrating entirely on the pro-angle where return on investment, both in terms of time and money, is much more clearly defined… however for those so inclined, it is an addiction you’ll be happy to suffer from. And going cold turkey, i.e. back to the World, is brutal. I have yet to determine any real difference in ease of scoring freebies between the two cities. Supposedly the “real” action is outside of the big cities, where the “exotic factor” of expats (or is the “desperation factor” of the local female populace?) is considerably higher, however for many this is not really a viable option. My experience in this regard does seem to confirm that, at least in part, it is easier to score above your league in the regions. As for Moscow vs. Kiev and the relative ease of getting laid there, I'm happily conducting research on the subject and will continue to do so...

Draw.

8) tochka, street scene

Exists in Moscow but is worsening, both in terms of quality and price. Kiev’s street scene is very skanky. Still, in this category

Moscow wins for maintaining this still (sometimes barely) viable option.

9) Infrastructure, transport and airports

Getting in and out of Kiev is much easier than Moscow. Generally speaking, the main Russian airport of Sheremetyvo is a catastrophe... you'll be uttering "pizdets" as soon as you see the lines waiting at passport control. I always go green line in either country, don't declare a damn thing and spend all my money before leaving and everybody's happy. Public transport in form of the metro works well in either city. Unless you speak Russian, I'd avoid using buses or trams... you'll get lost in the middle of nowhere. Taxis are getting more expensive in either country due to the fuel price hike. In Moscow "gypsy" taxis are the rule, in Kiev normal taxis are more prominent and affordable. Moscow’s second major international airport Domodedevo is really quite nice (relatively speaking), however most international and especially intercontinental flights crash land at Sher, so due to ease of getting around and especially due to the airport, I give Kiev a slight edge.

Kiev wins.

10) Restaurants

Moscow easily defeats Kiev in terms of variety and quality. Kiev is cheaper though, so if this isn't important for you then you'll save some cash there.

As an example, they are just now discovering sushi in Kiev, which has been pre-dominant as the dyev food of choice in Moscow for years. During a recent date with two self-proclaimed modern girls in Kiev they both had their first taste of sushi with RM and me... it wasn't bad sushi, but of course their borsch-poisoned palates hated it. Provincial bumpkins! But then again, there is something to be said for provincial bumpkins as well... they are easily impressed and hopelessly naive. Daisy Duke, we love ya. Kiev is improving fast and will soon more or less catch up I’m certain, but in any case, if restaurants factor into your sphere of interest, then for the time being

Moscow beats Kiev hands down.

11) Tourist shit to do:

I don’t know, I never get around to it.

Final tally:

I lost count, but I think it ended as a draw. So that means keep playing, right?

Bez Bezarra
12-07-04, 12:48
Oozhis kashmar!

Vegamars
12-07-04, 18:11
I wish you had the opportunity to perceive the endless limitless underground night action before deciding to compare to any other city..

Doctor_Skank
12-07-04, 19:14
V-Mars:

I don't doubt Kiev's potential nor question it's uniqueness, I am merely comparing the two cities from my perspective ( as you often do from yours)... my perspective being one not unlike that of many who will visit both cities... even as unfair or even inane the comparison may seem, it is an inevitable one and not uninteresting...

Nonetheless, I shall be embarking on a more extensive campaign to explore the city in earnest.

GandJim
12-07-04, 21:18
Dr Skank,

Thanks for the comparative, it's very informative and quite objective. Surely a big help for WSG members considering to visit Moscow or Kiev. I only come occasionally to Kiev, but can confirm I got the same perception as you (rightly or wrongly, that's not the point ;))

Great post, surely not an uninteresting one, far from that! And certainly a helpful one. Thanks again.

Jim

Just Do It
12-08-04, 15:27
Dr Skank,

Great comparison. Just to add to it a bit.

Tourist shit to do. Definatly Moscow, Kremlin, Pushkin, ect.

Friendlest city. Hands down Kiev. Even if you only speak a dozen words of Russian the Kiev people will welcome you while Moscow and the people are like New York.

Wanderer1000
12-08-04, 20:33
I just did a forum search on the GIA posts and didn't find anything mentioned about their apartments. It seems that most guys have been relatively happy with their escort service - has anybody used them for apartments or other services? Thanks.

Stravinsky
12-08-04, 20:39
Doc,

Вам спасибо for your detailed comparison of the two cities, based on your extensive experience in both.

I agree with you completely, we should all try BOTH of them!

I would be willing to bet you a bright shiny new kopeck, however, that many of the beautiful women you meet in Mockba are really Ukrainian!

счастливо,

Stravinsky

InterTraveler
12-08-04, 22:57
I'll be in Kyiv Dec 19th for about a month & I'd love to hook up with other wsg mongers for a night out on the towm

Please PM me

New Yorker II
12-09-04, 00:37
Hi you all !

I am looking for a fellow monger for "hunting in pair" in Belarus or Ukraine from Xmas time till approx. 01/10/2005.

Ideal age : 28-40y. , an "active" attitude would be required.

If interested write please to :

[Email Address deleted by Admin]

Thanks,

Marcel

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Doctor_Skank
12-10-04, 20:47
Strav,

The Ukrainian girls I've "met" in Moscow all worked in the tochki.... the bottom of the p4p food chain. They were generally spirited quality performers and made up for what they lacked in physical beauty with an energetic performance.

Almost all of the CF and NF pros, as well as the freebies I've met in Moscow are Russian, the majority of them from Moscow or Moscow Oblast with a sprinkling of Uzebkis and assorted other pleasant oddities mixed in for variety.

John Quakman
12-12-04, 02:07
I just saw on CNN that Yusenkov(sp?) was poisoned. Is he dead? Is all this crap gonna boil over and cause civil unrest to the point of violence? Being married to a Ukrainian I can tell you the country is not adverse to heavy handed attitudes from the top to the bottom.

Wolff
12-12-04, 03:29
John,

He is not dead (well not yet anyway). He was poisoned in September, as it seems with dioxine. And yes, lets hope he stays alive.

Living in Kiev I sure hope this whole thing blows over without any violence very very soon so we can get back to everything that is so sweet here in Candyland. Heck, just a week ago all my princesses where out to demonstrate and I had to spend the evening alone. This has to stop soon.

Bez Bezarra
12-12-04, 22:45
Quacker.

You just heard?

That's how slow, (or maybe supressed?), the western press is.

That poisoning story wast the front page of Kiev Post
when it happened in September, but here they report it like
its the latest news item.

Wolff
12-12-04, 23:35
MM,

It was also in the western press in September. It is a topic now because an Austrian clinic just made public the poison used was dioxine.

As always with the deepest regards,

Wolff

It Travel
12-14-04, 09:54
Dear Jak

I've used once a Gia apartment and thre where no problem at all it looked exactly like the pictures, I'll use more in Spring.

Remember to e-mail they every thing and (important) phone them also the day before You get there for meeting (at the airport, station or some where else). You will pay cash in advance when you are already in the flat, the normally ask for a deposit for the keys. The phone (local and local handys) is included and int'l calls are barred. So use a 800 no if possible.

Surely they will get to you with a driver/porter a well speaking interpreter (usually a beautiful girl) and some "fresh meat for the evening" if you need it. All their apts are well based in centrum or very near (walking distance).

I've been in one on Proreznaya st. 100 m from Khrshatik.

IT Travel

Wanderer1000
12-15-04, 02:25
IT Travel - Thanks for the information.

I want to use a reliable service. I'm looking at going to Kiev in the spring for a week to scope the place out. Since Slavic women are my favorites, I'm hoping I'll like it enough to do a month this summer. I haven't seen offerings for a month with a substantial discount in Russia or Ukraine like I have found easily enough in B.A. or Rio. There is a good apartment web-site that seems to be established and offering substantial discounts for monthly stays - www.apartment-kiev.com. I don't know if anyone has ever used them, but I'll e-mail Gia and see if they are open to the same idea. Ideally, I'd like to spend a week in the same apartment that I'd be living in for a month - a month can be a long time in a crappy apartment/situation.

Bez Bezarra
12-15-04, 04:39
Hey IT Boy!

Oh yes, flat on ulitza Proreznaya, once I there before fuk slutz in that street!

Its good!

Cruiser D
12-16-04, 20:13
Does anyone have the url for gia or any other escort websites bases in Kiev?

Wanderer1000
12-17-04, 00:43
You'll find the site at the above address.

It Travel
12-20-04, 13:43
I’ve been in Kiev several times, both staying in Hotels and in Apartment.

I would like to write a little bit on Internet possibilities and what I’ve tried.

I just try to answer public to some private mail I got.

First of all you have the well known Gia

www.gia.com.ua

Very easy to use, very friendly… I rented apartments and girls.

A funny thing is that you must always phone a couple of days before (English spoken) on ground they want a verbal confirmation.

I forgot this detail so we had some problems but the solved and found an apartment. The funny went on when they came at the meeting (driver, interpreter) with a teenager who seemed like a nymphomaniac blond tall, not a stunner, sitting with me on the rear seat and trying to be interesting, but I was very tired and I had other plans.

The girls at Gia are nice (not stunners) and are like in photos, of course the do not have that make-up.

Of the girl they have now Diana is interesting on ground she is a little fucking machine and allow CIM and COF… but I’ve no pictures. Also Vladislava is good but se do not allow BBBJ (a good fuck in any case). Only some go for Anal.

Once I made a deal, but the I could not leave to Kiev form Moscow where I was, for a weekend with Polina and another teen with same figure slim and tall: every thing was included also Anal and, best of all cum sharing and photographing. Some thing around 800 Euros.

If you guys have problems with Russian you can use www.translate.ru
Then clicking on the English flag, and then on web translating, it works very good.

http://impresario.narod.ru/hostes.htm
The price seems normal for agency (freelancers are lower) but never tried

http://www.uaescort.com/ads/index.php?ct=kiev
You get in here from http://www.kievsex.com/ads/ clicking on UaEscort
Here I found some girls by the way the one you see in the first and second photo. A real stunner, but a log of wood in bed! She has been playmate on Playboy Ukraina and now she is on a reporting site where the photo comes from (it was one of the identical photos she had on this site).

But still on UA Escort, half of the photos are fake, the others real, the problem is understand which. The more “naif” are surely true.

You can find Diana here:
http://www.virgintravelguide.com/dianaukraine.htm (sex travel related site) and se is still in business, hoping she became better sexually…
She is exactly as in pictures.

On www.kievsex.com you can also find (using the translator) a lot of strip bars and saunas where normally girls are available for the night.

Really strange found here is a special sex shop:

Sex-shop NASOLODA. Street. Mezhigorskaja 10 (Metro Counterassembly), 416 0370, 462 5023. Where you will find lots of toys, lap dance (also private with sex), and most fun, if I understood right, an “intim” hairdresser!

http://kievdosug.boom.ru./photos.htm
Erotic massage salon in town English is spoken, I think same owner as Gia

http://www.bagira.net.ua/
Another massage site

http://www.n.kiev.ua/erotic_massage/
Body massage

http://travelsexguide.tv/main_nation4.htm
Good resource on Ukraine, but some links are dead!

http://www.escortkiev.de.vu/

You can join and find freebies (around 20) some not bad… also mistress and girls searching couples.

http://prosex.com.ua/

Lots of info (using translator) on saunas, massage and so on
The you can go to announcements and get easy acquaintances via e mail or phone some has only e-mail but others also phone.

Some with links.

Sometime very slow, but lots of teens.

http://intim.com.ua/index.php

Some freelancers with pictures, you can even print their visit card with photo and phone!

But just few.

http://www.n.kiev.ua/

All the Kiev night clubs, including the famous Rest Town and River Palace… with opinions (in Russian)

http://www.exclusive-ukraine.tk/

Expensive classy girls, from 340 USD night and 400 USD 24 hours

If the girls are as in pictures it’s worth the money…

http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua/

Another exclusive, but needs password

http://www.ukraine-kontakt.de/

A German (in German) interesting site…

Go directly to: http://www.ukraine-kontakt.de/Nachtleben4.htm

And you will find girls of all types. Don’t know is photos are real but I suppose so.

Some are in facts models (have been) and now at 21 or 22 are to old for modelling for teen sites.

http://escortmodels-kiev.by.ru/

Some girls, no telephone, only e-mail

www.escortkiev.de.vu

Need to register, but complicated and slow, no access to telephones!

Here some of my experiences (photo are not mine)
Foto 1 and 2 is Diana, the former Playmate.
Foto 3 is Vlada from Gia (older picture not on line today)
Foto 4 is Diana from Gia (foto from site on line today): good if you like petites 22 y.o. and 1,58 cm.

It Travel
12-21-04, 13:45
I just scanned some advertising from Kiev Post in case you don'find it.

15 agencies.

But pay attention not every one has 24 h service, so they may not be a solution if you did not find what you like in the town and phone them at 3 am!

Nice hunt

GandJim
12-21-04, 22:24
IT Travel,

Excellent posts, very informative!!!! I guess you had a good time. ;)

Just a question, out of curiosity. I have been with Diana from Gia a few weeks ago. Nice girl indeed, but she didn't want to kiss although Gia told me in their email that she does. Did she with you, or was it just me? No big deal, but I'm just curious. :D

Just to add a good agency to your impressive list : http://www.starsfromheaven.co.uk/.

More expensive than Gia, but excellent services. I have never been disappointed with them. I have seen Olya a few weeks ago, and she's worth every cent.

Jim

Stravinsky
12-22-04, 22:47
GJ,

So tell us about Olya, inquiring minds want to know...

Took a look at starsfromheaven. Way beyond my price range. It may be worthwhile for you guys with Euros to spend, but I'm just a poor American with nothing but Dollars.

Stravinsky

GandJim
12-23-04, 12:39
Hi Strav,

Olya is a sweetheart, with a nice and gentle personality. I met her just one week after she joined Stars from Heaven, so she was quite fresh and eager to please.

From a "services" viewpoint, she does everything except anal: DFK passionately, BBBJ with CIM, fingering, taking any position you're fancy. No getting impatient and working hard.

More important for me is her personality, and she has these little "extra touches" that makes you feel comfortable. Snuggling up in your arms after the "event", closing her eyes, giving you gentle kisses and humming away a Russian lullaby, then giving you a massage (although she needs some practice here). Asking you for permission to smoke, and going to brush her teeth before restarting action. Giving you a big hug when she leaves and thanking you for the good time, even though you know damn well that she's already forgotten your name before you close the door.

As I'm quite old now and also drank a lot of beers, I had difficulties for round 2 and she's not getting impatient. To the contrary, she was worried and tried harder. When I told her to stop because I think it's hopeless, she thought it was because time is over and told me it's not a problem, she will leave only after I finished. A real professional in the good meanings of the word.

She doesn't speak much English, but that's not a problem for you, does it ? ;) She doesn't make up stories as, when we touched private issues, she just said "I'm sorry, but if you don't mind, I'd rather not talk about my private life". Then put up a big smile and jump on you for some cuddles.

In summary, I would for sure see her again, if she's still working upon my next visit to Kiev. I must also say that all the girls I've seen so far at SFH have similar attitude. At 200 euros for 4 hours, it's expensive for Kiev but still a good price. Some other girls at SFH are more expensive, and I wouldn't be surprised if her price also increases in the future (this already happened for Lida, another nice girl, so maybe I shouldn't write too good reviews...:D).

Jim

Stravinsky
12-23-04, 18:07
GJ,

Thanks for the info on Olya. Sounds like you were lucky to meet her during her first week on the job. You are probably right, her price will go up, but, then again, there will always be another one to take her place. As usual, price is more a measure of the girl's attitude than the service.

MM,

starsfromheaven is strictly for myezhdoonarodni mongers. They even say on their website that it cannot be accessed from within the Ukraine. So naturally, you can't compare their prices to what a local guy would pay.

Judging from the pictures posted on the site, you can't compare these dyefki to the Mockba tochka ho's either, in terms of quality. Which is always the big question I have, when I see a site like this, namely, "Are they for real?".

Now that we have first hand confirmation from GJ, the prices may be worthwhile. My problem is, at today's exchange rate, it would cost me 300 USD to buy 200 Euro. Do that twice a day for a week and it tends to add up real fast.

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Vegamars
12-23-04, 18:31
All the girls from SFH are either models or ex-models,so it's not surprising that they look even better than their pictures in reality..

The trick is the first time meeting and if you're lucky enough it may turn out to be a real adventure for almost free.

I still meet a stunning former girl of the agency from time to time here and there....

You'll not lose anything by just trying once..

GandJim
12-24-04, 00:22
Vegamars,

I'm really envious to hear that you manage to continue seeing a former SFH stunner for almost free. What's her name? Well, ...., giving it further thoughts, ... don't tell me!!! :D I'll be dead jealous if she's a certain girl I saw before, who stopped working for SFH and whom I'm still dreaming about night after night. :o

Well done anyway!


Strav,

You're right, SFH web site is not accessible from within the Ukraine, so you better save their web page on your laptop before going there. Last time, I initially booked Julia, but she had a last minute problem and the meeting was cancelled. They gave me name of other girls available but I just couldn't check how they look like as I couldn't access their web site from Kiev. Fortunately, I remembered Olya because she was put on their site just a week before I came.

Gia is also a good agency, with lower prices (they have even reduced their price for Xmas-New Year and 10 hrs is only 180 USD). I have always been happy with Gia too, as well as many other WSG members. I don't want to sound negative about Diana. She's a nice girl too, well worth the money, and maybe (most probably) it was just me because information given for others girls are quite accurate (for example, they do state that Vladislava doesn't do BBBJ, that another girl doesn't kiss, etc...).

Jim

Stravinsky
12-24-04, 18:05
MM,

Na-ROAD-ni is the Russian word for "people", as in people of a nation. Myezh-doo-na-ROAD-ni (literally "between people" or "between nations") is the Russian word for "international".

Sos-tai-ya-TYEL-ni means "well to do" or "well off". Ba-GAHT-i means "rich", as in lots of money.

So a sos-tai-ya-TYEL-ni, myezh-doo-na-ROAD-ni toor-ist is every oo-KRAIN-ka's (Ukrainian girl) dream (well, most of them, anyway).

Stravinsky

PS Jackson, where is our Russian language phrase thread???!!!%&@&*

TheGuyFromNY
12-30-04, 07:50
They will email you pictures of other girls while you are in Ukraine to solve the probelm of not being able to access their site. One of their girls told me this is so that their families will not see them. She actually said that the majority of their business is Ukrainians, not foreigners. Her picture was not terribly accurate but the service was quite good in my one experience with them.

Vegamars
12-30-04, 19:03
The top agencies like kievescort and starsfromheaven are dealing only with foreigners and it's not so difficult to reach their websites within Ukraine..

They all make a natural selection and they might refuse you depending on your attitude...

That's why you might hear the common expression that their girls cannot meet you in Kiev or another city in Ukraine..

Uke Boy
12-30-04, 20:08
Vega, I'm back, you lucky fellow. I've been back home for a long term assignment and was not much concerned with Ukraine or Kiev during that time. Bad me. I have just returned to Kiev and while this is not the long term the past job was, it will be frequent enough.

Lots more BS and misleading information from you such as the above post.

First off, kievescort, if you have been able to try their site for about the last nine months has been taken off permanently as is the agency name. In fact, it is now Kiev Beauties www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua

Most of the ladies are the same ones from kievescort. It would be nice for you to mention this but we know that this should be in our minds at all times. Somehow we have to understand this and know this without any help from you. You can reach their site from anywhere, including Kiev. I just did.

Stars from Heaven and Odessa Escort are another story. Ukrainian IP addresses ARE blocked from reaching these two sites. I have tried many ways and failed.

Since you say it is not so difficult to reach their site from within Ukraine, perhaps you might be helpful and tell the rest of us just how we do that?

Vegamars
12-30-04, 20:53
You know pretty well that my ultimate aim is to make up fairy tales and to mislead all based on raised expectations..

I wonder why you have had to return to hell from the paradise of UK??

Uke Boy
12-30-04, 21:06
As usual, Vega you will never answer a direct request since you once again have been "outed." The only truth is your first sentence.

I never said Kiev was hell but that is maybe your opinion of the place not mine. I have always had a great time here and will continue to do so. The loveliest and some of the most accomodating ladies on the planet, at least for me. Besides, someone has to also tell folks just what is actually going on here, don't they? I try and stay away from fairy tales.

Bez Bezarra
12-31-04, 07:12
Fairy Tales?

How appropriate!

Really though, the fact is that no one has ever backed up
anything you've ever posted, not even once. Ever.

Oh yeah, lots of monger-posers proclaim their envy and admiration
of your super natural seduction powers, but bending spoons with
your giant encephalitic butt-cheek forehead only qualifies you to be
their guru of the hour.

And at the end of the day, when it all comes down, you're exposed
as nothing more than a sappy website promoting hack with a keen knack
for boring us. So thanks for the memories, our dear Mr. Fantasy.
Tell us your tales, make us feel numb, play out your head game.
Just keep it snappy!

Vegamars
12-31-04, 11:42
Yeah that's right,just go on considering fairy tales to feel better and I'll be on my way for distinct adventures..

Meanwhile, so many wise guys have taken advantage of the concrete tips....

Uke Boy
12-31-04, 12:31
Vega,

Yes, your adventures are very distinct but they exist only in your fantasies. It seems that every lady in Ukraine, Russia, Moldova, and even in Turkey, wants to rip your clothes off and pay you for the privilege of going to bed with you.

Your posts are either nonsensical and useless or are so full of inaccuracies as to be truly misleading.

The rest of us live in this world where we actually pay the ladies for the privilege of spending time with us!

Your penchant for wild fairy tales is only exceeded by your ego. I can only say your so-called tips are not made of concrete but much closer to mud.

Roger Mellie
01-04-05, 14:15
Are ATMs working for foreign cards at the moment in Kiev?

Uke Boy
01-04-05, 15:12
Roger Mellie,

Yes they are.

I have been using ATMs since late December with no problems and all I have are non-Ukrainian cards.

You just have to be careful that the machine is legitimate and not one of the scam ones. See my posting in the General Info section.

Maharadjah
01-04-05, 23:02
Hi,
I plan to go to Kiev next month. With informations given in this board i have now a whole idea of what i can expect there( especially the lastest one of IT Travel).
I have already some contacts with nice girls from Kiev. But as i want to secure my trip i have contacted some escorts agencies.

i will contact Gia before reaching kiev-as many of you were pleased with them i will obviously take one girl-

exclusive-ukraine --> no answer

http://escortmodels-kiev.by.ru/ --> price: Escort: 1 girl 300 $ \ 12 hour, 100 $ in one hour or 150$ in 2 hour.
(with photo attach)

http://www.starsfromheaven.co.uk/ --> i think that 300e for 4 hours is a bit expensive(even if Olya is an angel!) so i contact the next one :

http://www.escort.odessa.ua ->the manager, yiuri, a nice guy, asked me to send 45e to book a model, by western union.Does anybody know this agency, and more , about the girls?

MR

Uke Boy
01-05-05, 13:17
MR,

Some quick comments about the agencies in your post.

Exclusive Ukraine seems to be a superslick site and Escort Models comes in at the other end of the spectrum as a very bad site. The real problem with both sites is that there is no local contact phone number. I would not use any agency that did not have a local number. Also, I really don't believe that any of the ladies on these two sites actually are available.

It really is important that someone be available by telephone to take requests for services at most times of the day. If all they have is an email, look for someone else and fast.

Stars from Heaven and Odessa Escort are two agencies that send their ladies on Western European "tours" so they do have phone numbers. More importantly, they also have reputations of some sort to uphold. You really won't go wrong with either one.

However, there is no reason to send any money to Odessa Escort. I would think that once you got here and then called them, they would be happy to send someone over to meet with you anyway. If not, they are not worth the time or the money. Use the money to call another Gia girl.

I can see the need for a deposit if you are asking for a lady to come to visit you in the West but not if you are headed here.

Thelmas Gone
01-05-05, 14:29
www.agencyscams.com is a great sight which lists many women who are scammers for money. These women usually put themselves on dating sites with the hopes of men sending them money. You can search for a woman by email or name. It is a great source of information and has saved me alot of time when first meeting a woman.

Jellyfish
01-06-05, 01:43
Anyone going to be in Kiev this weekend or next and want to party and chase some women? PM me.

Cruiser D
01-07-05, 21:55
I've been looking over what is out there on the net for apartments since I'm going to be in Kiev shortly. All I have to say is...Aren't there any gay Ukrianian men in Kiev? Someone over there needs to learn how to decorate.

I was thinking for going with GIA. But I'm meeting a few non p4p girls and if they somehow made the connection it might be more then a tab bit hard to explain. ;)

Roger Mellie
01-10-05, 11:42
As a follow up to Skanks and my semi-depressing posts about love in the time of the orange revolution (see early Dec 04), I am pleased to say that Kievan dyevs are rapidly returning to their promiscuous best.