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Member #4491
04-14-12, 01:37
Then there is a nice place little outside of center I went to, Kalinka Malinka, a big place with a small band and lots of people all ages dancing and drinking. A little rustical and great fun, at least if you speak Russian.Thank you RB. If you are in town next week you can always buzz me.
I went to dance clubs like this in Minsk once and in Riga a few times. Russian / Slavic music and great fun, even if my Russian sucks.
Now since the seniors left us mortals to post here, I will absolutely try to visit one of these local dance venues and report back. One day I will also be special. LOL.
Barba
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No, the reason to go mongering in Ukraine or Russia is for the unique and exciting experience.
The sheer number of beautiful babes. The open sexuality of the women and the society.
The thrill of the chase. The prospect of scoring a freebie that you never could at home.
Sexual experiences that are rare or difficult to obtain from western P4P.
There are lots of good reasons to monger in Eastern Europe, but straight cost-benefit is rarely one of them.I agree. Some sexual experiences, that you can find in Ukraine, are very difficult to find in the West. For example, some Russian and Ukrainian P4P ladies specialize in banging the crap out of their horny guys, because many guys actually like this kind of thing.
The guy cums with his pretty lady and thinks he is finished and done. But the chick grabs his dick and bring it back to life with her mouth and hands, while listening to the guy's protestations that only a miracle would get him up and going again. The lady accomplishes the miracle, and the guy fucks her again. And of course, the second fuck takes a lot longer than the first. The guy ends up banging the pretty lady for a long, long time, before he manages to work up his second cum.
Some guys don't that last long even the second time. But this is no problem for the pretty lady. She simply goes after his dick, gets him up and going again, and then welcomes him with open legs for his third fuck with her. And third time around, he for sure lasts for a long time inside the pretty lady. Working up that third cum takes some working indeed. The guy is likely to be exhausted by the time he cums for the third time.
If the lady is staying overnight with the guy, then she will let him sleep for a while. But then she will wake him up in the morning by sucking his cock. And fuck her one more time he certainly will, before she kisses him good-bye and goes home with a wad of cash.
Such extraball from the lady is almost unheard of in the West. It happens only in porn fantasies and not in real life. And even in Thailand, it's hard to find a P4P lady who will extraball you this way. Perhaps only in some African countries you can also find sexy ladies who will bang the crap out of you this way.
I've searched the Mamba website for ladies who specialize in extraballing their guys. And one sure sign to look for is in the profile of the lady, where she says that she wants to have sex several times a day. And some ladies are even more straightforward than this. They say that they won't let you sleep. Or they say that the biggest turn on for them is a guy who has endurance.
I have been to Russia many times since 2009, and my Russian ranges from conversational with people that speak slowly and clearly to zero with people that speak slang with accents. In Moscow and St Petersburg, I have always been able to find some curvy, hourglass figured women with natural boobs sized 5-10. Poland looks ideal for me after looking at roksa. Pl to search, but now I find myself booked on a business trip to Kiev for the first week of May, and some of the escort sites only let you search for bust 1-3. On others, I have found only 1 or 2 that look natural. I have seen 2 or 3 on Mamba that look interesting. My fear is that I will arrive and they will all have fashion model carpenter's dream bodies, which don't do it for me. Does anyone have suggestions? Thank you.
Hi guys. I am new here, can you please guide is keiv worth going for girls. And what are the basic charges for taking a girl home for a night?Nishu617,
Kiev is not worth going for girls. Go for the food and sight seeing. The beaches are awesome and diving is spectacular. If you do end up going there against my advice and manage to get a girl, know that they do not charge a stud with an inquisitive mind like yours. Don't make any attempt to read any posts on the forum that other people took hours, days and may be months of their personal time to post. All of those silly posts are misleading. Keep asking questions and be relentless. So far, you are doing well with 95% of posts being questions and the other 5% being vague and worthless comments. That is the best way to gain knowledge with least effort and contribution. Good luck.
AColonizer
04-14-12, 12:47
I agree with you about Western women. But why do men do nothing to change that? Maybe is it enough a quickie to make a man happy?
About Eastern women, I think you are optimistic. When beauty disappears is because she gave everything to a lot of Slavic men. Then she becomes oldier and less pretty, then she looks for a silly man aka Western man. In my opinion, this is nothing good.
About foreigners in main towns in Ukraine and Russia, if you read about gifts and prices in this forum, you read an expensive way to spend our money, with no lasting results. That is a fact that everybody can see in Kiev and in Moscow everyday. Moreover, according to my calculation, there are not few foreigners, but there are hundreds of thousands of foreigners visiting Ukraine each year. There is no doubts, golden era has gone forever.
Not completely true AC. In the west, women can always find jobs and men that will take care of them. In the east, women will not always be able to find jobs and men that will take care of them especially after beauty and youth has disappeared. Eastern attitudes can not be changed by a few foreigners seeking companionship and a few devushkas seeking security. Its going to take a lot more money and commercialization before that evil concept of feminism can root itself out east.
Kira at Gia.
She probably looks better in her photos on the site.
Her Face and body: 7.
Personality: I don't know, we didn't talk much, I had only one hour.
Overall I give her a solid 7. 5, very nice TIGHT pussy.
I may repeat
Ronaldinjo
04-15-12, 12:54
Kira at Gia.
She probably looks better in her photos on the site.
Her Face and body: 7.
Personality: I don't know, we didn't talk much, I had only one hour.
Overall I give her a solid 7. 5, very nice TIGHT pussy.
I may repeatIn my opinion Kiras face and body in the pic approaching 8 (not pure 8 though) , but she seems pretty and doable without any doubght. But if you say that her body and face is 7 and personality cloudy, so how she is making 7. 5 overall? How she differs in pics and real life, is she cooperative and sweet? Muddy, did you try any othe girls from gia to reccomend them? How long did it take you to bang mamba girls, is she a pro or freebie?
AColonizer
04-15-12, 13:35
ME and YOU, your mailbox is full, please let's contact you.
Kim Wheather
04-15-12, 20:12
I have walking the walk here since 1996 and will continue to do so long after you have left the scene.How about talk and walk at the very same time?
Yes, of course, so easy of you to down the thread and bring nothing new. I'm just one man here who want's to some day play with the big boy's. Show me the way UB and please, I do not care about the glory days.That's the difference between the two of us.
You want to play with the boys while I play with the girls.
Kiev Freak
04-15-12, 22:24
Guys I am planning a sex trip for 3 days at end of April. I can't decide between Kiev and st Petersburg, and fact I visited both. In Kiev it is easer to find girls but st pete is also good. Where do you recommend me?
That's the difference between the two of us.
You want to play with the boys while I play with the girls.I've been playing with girls all my life UB, my well didn't start drying up until about five years ago. I've decided to move to richer waters and if you have some FSU direction, I'm eager beaver to listen.
I wouldn't see an old contact for more than $100.
$200 is still a very achievable rate for me in a night club. YMMV.
and that they couldn't be negotiated down to as low as $200/2 hours. But this claim of lower prices for WG's in the regular nightclubs was made recently by Cruiser D, a veteran poster with lots of experience, so it cannot be discounted, without more testing and reporting by ISG'ers who know what they are doing. I hope and wish it is true, and not just his memory of prices from a past era, or prices he personally gets from girls he has known for a long time and are in his dauntingly large contact list built up over the years. We need to be talking about prices other ISG'ers should be capable of achieving and reproducing when they go to the regular nightclubs and try to pick up hot WG's. This area needs more reporting.
Huh, Manhattan is full of FSU girls. Escorts, strippers, student girls, brides from the FSU and 2nd. 1st generation girls that live here.
Ah, summer is almost here and so is the invasion of student girls on work visas. .
Manhattan is not an easy place to get laid, its no London. Slavic talent went into serious decline in US cities most noticeably when the UK opened its borders to Eastern Europeans. I come from the other major city and the super star Polish / Russian pimps of ten years ago are all starving.
If you can't pull a pro or semi pro from a club in Kiev for $300 or less you are doing something wrong or she doesn't like you.
Buddha Bar is populated by jaded pros. Avoid.
I've had great luck using Mamba. Made some very good female friends off it. YMMV.
Better not leave your Ukrainian Android phone on a bench someplace. Very valuable 1100 contacts.
LJ
Huh, Manhattan is full of FSU girls. Escorts, strippers, student girls, brides from the FSU and 2nd. 1st generation girls that live here.
Ah, summer is almost here and so is the invasion of student girls on work visas. .There's two kinds of Americans that migrate to New York CD. The first is bright college grads and the second is hipster / artists. Neither of these produces any hobbyist talent. Do you really believe FSU girls fit in well among the tribes of New York? Visa issues road block many of the working girl talent from coming to the states. Yes, some do get in on some bogus Visa programs but nothing that creates a significant presence among the cities agencies. You may know the nuances of Slavic girls in Kiev but please do not challenge me on Slavic girls in the States. If you would like to debate the issue further, I will happily meet you on USA Sexguide New York. I do not want Big J to reprove me on this thread.
Backpage, eros and the other escort websites are full of FSU girls.
NYC is full of all kinds of people.
I'm not talking about student girls trying to come in as sex workers.
There's two kinds of Americans that migrate to New York CD. The first is bright college grads and the second is hipster / artists. Neither of these produces any hobbyist talent. Do you really believe FSU girls fit in well among the tribes of New York? Visa issues road block many of the working girl talent from coming to the states. Yes, some do get in on some bogus Visa programs but nothing that creates a significant presence among the cities agencies. You may know the nuances of Slavic girls in Kiev but please do not challenge me on Slavic girls in the States. If you would like to debate the issue further, I will happily meet you on USA Sexguide New York. I do not want Big J to reprove me on this thread.
Huh, Manhattan is full of FSU girls. Escorts, strippers, student girls, brides from the FSU and 2nd. 1st generation girls that live here.
Ah, summer is almost here and so is the invasion of student girls on work visas. .Yes, the summer is a time of influx. One of my favorite girls was a Russian girl who came as a student and was on backpage for $200. Very cute and nice. A level 7. I'm still in touch with her. But she couldn't come last summer. Maybe this summer? We'll see.
Ronaldinjo
04-16-12, 11:21
Guys I am planning a sex trip for 3 days at end of April. I can't decide between Kiev and st petersburg. &305; and fact I visited both. In Kiev it is easer to find girls but st pete is also good. Where do you recommend me?St. Peter is great, girls are of Kiev level and very sweet and nice, have been there multiple times and banged huge amount of beautiful Russian matrioshkas, pros and freebees as well. A very reccomended destination indeed. Kiev is mot bad either although I find it more difficult and time consuming than peter.
Yes, the summer is a time of influx. One of my favorite girls was a Russian girl who came as a student and was on backpage for $200. Very cute and nice. A level 7. I'm still in touch with her. But she couldn't come last summer. Maybe this summer? We'll see.LJ. Your Russian cutie, doesn't deserve one of your standard in depth Reports? LOL.
Your above post got to be one of the Shortest ever.
LJ. Your Russian cutie, doesn't deserve one of your standard in depth Reports? LOL.
Your above post got to be one of the Shortest ever.Jojo, she surely does deserve one. It was actually one of my finest performances. She is still in contact with me even though last time we were together was summer of 2010. She's been in Moscow since then. She was not successful in getting a visa last summer and now this summer's visa fell through too. I've invited her many times to meet me in Kiev, but she says she can't just up and leave boyfriend for weekend to go to Kiev unexplained. Why do I need her when there are so many in Kiev? It's like bringing sand to the seashore. I have told myself this, each time I invited her. But it would be a whole night of good GFE sex with a girl who is adoring and looks at me with awe when I do a particularly good job of it. This is the kind of feedback from a 20 year old, that a guy like me can become addicted to. But to be fair, our acquaintance predates my beginning to post on ISG, and it wouldn't be proper to claim old victories, on the current thread. And where would I post her story? She's a girl I banged a bunch of times in NY. Rest assured, if I ever get her to come to Kiev, I will give her the exposure she deserves on the Kiev thread.
Jojo, she surely does deserve one. It was actually one of my finest performances. She is still in contact with me even though last time we were together was summer of 2010. She's been in Moscow since then. She was not successful in getting a visa last summer and now this summer's visa fell through too. I've invited her many times to meet me in Kiev, but she says she can't just up and leave boyfriend for weekend to go to Kiev unexplained. Why do I need her when there are so many in Kiev? It's like bringing sand to the seashore. I have told myself this, each time I invited her. But it would be a whole night of good GFE sex with a girl who is adoring and looks at me with awe when I do a particularly good job of it. This is the kind of feedback from a 20 year old, that a guy like me can become addicted to. But to be fair, our acquaintance predates my beginning to post on ISG, and it wouldn't be proper to claim old victories, on the current thread. And where would I post her story? She's a girl I banged a bunch of times in NY. Rest assured, if I ever get her to come to Kiev, I will give her the exposure she deserves on the Kiev thread.LJ, was she the one that led you over seas to find other talent? Once you have developed a connection with an Eastern European girl, it becomes difficult to not seek out more possibilities. If you find another authentic student visa Russian (true rarities now a days) in the states, please let me know. I will happily jump on a plane to go do her.
LJ, was she the one that led you over seas to find other talent? Once you have developed a connection with an Eastern European girl, it becomes difficult to not seek out more possibilities. If you find another authentic student visa Russian (true rarities now a days) in the states, please let me know. I will happily jump on a plane to go do her.It's funny you say that, Climaxnow. When I invited her to Kiev, she invited me to come to Moscow, but there was the visa issue, and I had my Own Kiev agenda planned, plus I wasn't sure what was going to happen, given the existence of her boyfriend. I figured that Plan B in Moscow was more expensive than Kiev, so I didn't change my plans for her.
In the interim, I made the acquaintance in Miami of another hottie, a former Ms Ukraine bikini contest winner, who now also lives in Moscow and Invited me there too. Maybe I'll wait until enough girls I meet end up in Moscow and then I will have enough of a Plan B just from girls I know who ended up there. LOL.
My fellow ISG friends of NY; Let us dedicate this summer of high prices in Kiev, high airfares to and EURO 2012, to the search for the "Kiev Alternative", that sexy, young, pretty thing who might be coming to the pages of backpage this summer, and notify each other if we find some good alternatives.
Ronaldinjo
04-16-12, 19:44
It's funny you say that, Climaxnow. When I invited her to Kiev, she invited me to come to Moscow, but there was the visa issue, and I had my Own Kiev agenda planned, plus I wasn't sure what was going to happen, given the existence of her boyfriend. I figured that Plan B in Moscow was more expensive than Kiev, so I didn't change my plans for her.
In the interim, I made the acquaintance in Miami of another hottie, a former Ms Ukraine bikini contest winner, who now also lives in Moscow and Invited me there too. Maybe I'll wait until enough girls I meet end up in Moscow and then I will have enough of a Plan B just from girls I know who ended up there. LOL.
My fellow ISG friends of NY; Let us dedicate this summer of high prices in Kiev, high airfares to and EURO 2012, to the search for the "Kiev Alternative", that sexy, young, pretty thing who might be coming to the pages of backpage this summer, and notify each other if we find some good alternatives.Joey, was surprised to hear about your american origin. So every time you are flying overseas for hunting or you are working in some westerneuropean country? If you are from USA it should be easier and more convinient for you to travel to all morgeners dreamland. Brazil.
Gentleman Travel
04-16-12, 21:49
Hi guys. I am new here, can you please guide is keiv worth going for girls. And what are the basic charges for taking a girl home for a night?No, mostly they are nuns and librarians, with very little knowledge or experience of carnal matters. Plus they tend to be fat and have garlic breath.
Glad I could help with your research!
Gentleman Travel
04-16-12, 22:25
There's two kinds of Americans that migrate to New York CD. The first is bright college grads and the second is hipster / artists. Neither of these produces any hobbyist talent. Do you really believe FSU girls fit in well among the tribes of New York? Visa issues road block many of the working girl talent from coming to the states.Actually EE visa students are quite a good prospect base, especially for sponsorship, although no doubt many do straight P4P also.
Visa students always need extra money, especially when they are trying to extend their stays. And EE girls are culturally much less reluctant to peddle their asses than other nationalities.
I have been working two 25 year-old blondes on a sponsorship angle.
#1 was a delightful Muscovite whose eager young breasts were literally bursting out of her blouse during our first date. Negotiations broke down not so much over price (essentially $1, 000 / month) but over timing. She wanted me to pay 4 months in advance (in order to register in a community college program) and I am not quite so stupid as to pay that kind of money up front unless I have some kind of control over her. I may try her again once she gets really hungry.
#2 is a gorgeous Kiev girl also in need of tuition support. Not quite as buxom as #1, but even more gorgeous and charming in person, and with wonderful English. Kisses are out of this world, I can only imagine what her other talents are like. Well, maybe not "only imagine", as I have a second date with her later this week. Probably the same price structure as #1, around $1, 000 per month, which probably involves one night of bliss per week.
I don't think either girl would go for hourly P4P. "I am not prostitute!" #1 says. No, of course not, just a sponsorette, there is all the difference in the world.
This is in Canada and I don't know about New York, but I am guessing with 20X the population of my tiny colonial backwater, and NYC being a magnet for EE chicks and being a difficult place to live for girls who are not oligarchs' daughters, I am guessing your prospect pool is 50X mine.
The important thing to realize is that ALL major western cities, especially those with large student populations, ALWAYS have girls (including locals) who are looking for extra money and are prepared to earn it in the most traditional way. It takes patience and tact, and a desire for more than a quickie, but there is gold in them thar city streets!
Actually EE visa students are quite a good prospect base, especially for sponsorship, although no doubt many do straight P4P also.
Visa students always need extra money, especially when they are trying to extend their stays. And EE girls are culturally much less reluctant to peddle their asses than other nationalities.I absolutely agree with you GT, but in the sexually repressed US where prostitution is illegal and 911 restricted visas, finding an EE student can be quite the challenge. Also, girls that plan on escorting will not choose to come to America. Visa students in the US, often times, choose to do the profession after arriving in the States when they come to realize good legitimate job opportunities are not available to them.
Joey, was surprised to hear about your american origin. So every time you are flying overseas for hunting or you are working in some westerneuropean country? If you are from USA it should be easier and more convinient for you to travel to all morgeners dreamland. Brazil.Yes, Ronaldinjo, I have been longing to go to Brazil for a long time. But I do not feel comfortable going there solo. There is some danger and I feel a wingman is important there. Unfortunately, I am blessed with a group of male friends that can never get their act together to plan a trip in advance. So it hasn't happened. But, I've enjoyed my visits to FKK land and Kiev in the last couple of years.
Huh, Manhattan is full of FSU girls. Escorts, strippers, student girls, brides from the FSU and 2nd. 1st generation girls that live here.
Ah, summer is almost here and so is the invasion of student girls on work visas. .I wonder if there are specialty websites good for meeting the girls coming from FSU to NY? Perhaps mamba. Ru and travel girls. Com can be used successfully. The question is whether these girls know about and use those websites, or other websites anyone out there can suggest?
Ronaldinjo
04-17-12, 09:32
Took a glance of gia girls pics recently, didn't find even one girls above 8. Lets make a vote who is the best looking girl in Gia in your opinion?
If you are from USA it should be easier and more convinient for you to travel to all morgeners dreamland. Brazil.I guess you're attempting humour here. The ratio of truly hot girls in Brasil is not in par with the ratio of truly hot girl in FSU. For every hot girl in Brasil, you have ten that are average looking, and twenty that are fat, short and ugly. Go to Recife or Belem and that number pass from one hot to fifty fat assed shorties. In FSU, it is hard to make three meters without bumping into a beauty.
May I remind you that according WHO, some 30% of the adult female population in Brasil suffer from obesity, and that Brasilian goverment says that almost half of Brasilians are now overweight?
Also prostitutes in Brasil are mostly overfucked, greedy and hardcore swarthy faveladas that I wouldn't touch with a 10" pole. Furthermore, non-pros are VERY hard to score, as most have only disdain for gringos. And are rather conservative (and despite the myth, not that good in bed). Brasil has the largest born-again xtian evangelist population in the world, with about 28% being part of the born-again Evangelical community.
I don't see how Brasil is a "monger dreamland", and beleive me, I've travelled extensively there. That said, it's a great country for tourism.
Gentleman Travel
04-17-12, 14:19
I wonder if there are specialty websites good for meeting the girls coming from FSU to NY? Perhaps mamba. Ru and travel girls. Com can be used successfully. The question is whether these girls know about and use those websites, or other websites anyone out there can suggest?Yes, I use Mamba to find EE girls & women in Canada and US.
They are using the site mostly to make social contact with other women and men from the home country, not necessarily for sex hook-up.
But with a little luck and persistence you can find some gems.
I have connected with several visa students that way, and several 30+ freebies who just want sex or relationships in their new land.
Yes, I use Mamba to find EE girls & women in Canada and US.
They are using the site mostly to make social contact with other women and men from the home country, not necessarily for sex hook-up.
But with a little luck and persistence you can find some gems.+1. Mamba is not all about pros or sponsorettes. I have met through mamba (and also LL when it was good, and a great "east meets west" site that I use now) many girls and women with good jobs and financially secure who came to visit me here in Paris. There is a whole generation of office professional dyevs (admittedly, mostly Russians, but not only, some Ukrainians and Belarussians also) that travel a lot, already have Shengen visas that they either acquired through work or got from previous holidays, and have enough money to pay for their travel costs. I have an average of two dyevs (long-term GFs and new contacts) visiting me each month, all year-round. Many come to Paris several times a year. They never have enough of what they consider as the most romantic city in the world.
Also prostitutes in Brasil are mostly overfucked, greedy and hardcore swarthy faveladas that I wouldn't touch with a 10" pole. Furthermore, non-pros are VERY hard to score, as most have only disdain for gringos. And are rather conservative (and despite the myth, not that good in bed). Brasil has the largest born-again xtian evangelist population in the world, with about 28% being part of the born-again Evangelical community.Prosal, I'm sensing a bad vibe between you and Brazilian women. I always thought of you as a lover of all.
prosal, i'm sensing a bad vibe between you and brazilian women. i always thought of you as a lover of all.well, i've personally write off brasil mostly because of the non-pro scene, which is not that great. and not only in rio (for a carioca chick a sex-hungry gringo tourist is more or less at the same level than a cockroach) , but also in the provinces. brasileiras have very little esteem and interest for sex-hungry tourists. there is an underlying distrust of gringos among them and in many cases it's even dislike. on the other hand they have a very high opinion of their fellow countrymen. they are suckers about their own culture. practically fanatical. and they date boys their peer group, sharing their common interests, ect. gringos are completely out of this loop. only sneaky and conniving piranhas date gringos in brasil.
this is the huge difference with fsu, where dyevuski, and especially the most learned and worldly, jump on any occasion to fuck a decent looking foreigner, thanks to the ugly and violent male population. contrarily to brasileiras, fucking their fellow countrymen is a chore fsu dyevs have to do, not something they particularly enjoy. first time i have been in fsu (chisinau) i have scored more freebies during ten days (seven girls) than i have done during my last two monthes trip in brasil. may i say you that since then, i've sticked to fsu? (smilie)
Took a glance of gia girls pics recently, didn't find even one girls above 8. Lets make a vote who is the best looking girl in Gia in your opinion?Why? Are you crazy?
Gia is just a grossly overpriced agency for the completely lazy and hopelessly incompetent visitors to Kiev who cannot score anywhere else. If you consider yourself in that class of losers, then go ahead with this insanity.
There really is no need to further advertise or in any way promote an agency that has very ordinary girls at extremely high prices. Why?
Anyone want to hook up? Share taxis, club rounds, help each other to approach girls. Wingmans in general.
Brasil has the largest born-again xtian evangelist population in the world, with about 28% being part of the born-again Evangelical community.Interesting that you would know something like this. I have always wondered how a french man such as yourself had come to travel so many Eastern countries. Do you have a higher mission than just finding girls when you travel in FSU?
Actually EE visa students are quite a good prospect base, especially for sponsorship, although no doubt many do straight P4P also.
Visa students always need extra money, especially when they are trying to extend their stays. And EE girls are culturally much less reluctant to peddle their asses than other nationalities.
I have been working two 25 year-old blondes on a sponsorship angle.
#1 was a delightful Muscovite whose eager young breasts were literally bursting out of her blouse during our first date. Negotiations broke down not so much over price (essentially $1, 000 / month) but over timing. She wanted me to pay 4 months in advance (in order to register in a community college program) and I am not quite so stupid as to pay that kind of money up front unless I have some kind of control over her. I may try her again once she gets really hungry.
#2 is a gorgeous Kiev girl also in need of tuition support. Not quite as buxom as #1, but even more gorgeous and charming in person, and with wonderful English. Kisses are out of this world, I can only imagine what her other talents are like...Same story in Hungary, Poland, etc. 1'000 USD seems to be the magic request to have "1 day and 1 night" each month exclusivity.)
This is normal the knock out criteria for me.
Have fun and enjoy anyway as there are so many out there!
Gentleman Travel
04-18-12, 16:02
I have an average of two dyevs (long-term GFs and new contacts) visiting me each month, all year-round. Many come to Paris several times a year. They never have enough of what they consider as the most romantic city in the world.If you are too busy with Sveta, I will gladly take her friend, Lena, off your hands!
Somehow the dyevs do not queue up to come to Canada the same way as they do Paris.
Ronaldinjo
04-18-12, 20:51
Why? Are you crazy?
Gia is just a grossly overpriced agency for the completely lazy and hopelessly incompetent visitors to Kiev who cannot score anywhere else. If you consider yourself in that class of losers, then go ahead with this insanity.
There really is no need to further advertise or in any way promote an agency that has very ordinary girls at extremely high prices. Why?I know that gia is overprised and girls are not the top, and the girls are just ordinary. But there are no other site that we can compare our tastes in women. If you are so cool, uke boy, so reveal us the hotties you found in mamba or other sites. And bare in mind that gyes coming to Kiev for 2-3 days don't have enough time to bang freebie hotties as those who are coming for weeks or mounths. What is your best suggestion for gys comming for 2-3 days?
Member #4491
04-18-12, 22:34
Hello. Seems Barba was lucky with his first Ukrainian girl. Took the bus for 25 grivnas from the airport and sent a "I am here" SMS to eight different girls I met on the social sites always discussed here. Three replied or called and where ready to meet up. After a one stop 2 grivna metro ride, and less than 2 hours I was checked into a nice apartment close to the park at University metro station, and could welcome a very sweet and somewhat flaky 23 year old girl. We did not discuss money or P4P before I landed, but quite soon it was clear she would be happy for a little contribution.
Her English was not super but we had no problems to communicate for the 3, 5 hours she spent here. Very talkative, a bit vain like young girls often are, slim body, great little ass, black hair, big tits (that was a bit softer than desired) a with the abs I had 20 years ago. Fit girl that likes the gym. Unemployed TV journalist that just graduated, or at least she told me this. Her lips are really full and as so often the size upstairs correlates with the size of the lips between the legs. Juicy and meaty pussy. Different from the small Asian clams. Half an hour of chit chat over a glass of red and then three hours of sucking and fucking in all positions. I was drained from the travels so only came twice, but a lot of kissing and cuddling in between.
No penetration without condom but she sucked my cock when it was drenched in sperm, immediately after the first session and I licked her drippng pussy until I could feel her contractions and shivers. I like to really dive into a wet pussy and get wet so I still have her smell in my nose, even after an hour in the Jacuzzi after she left. We agreed on 100 USD but gave her 120 USD and she was happy. We will meet agin so I will not share her info (yet).
Tomorrow evening I will visit some clubs, so feel free to PM me if you are in town.
B.
This is in Canada and I don't know about New York, but I am guessing with 20X the population of my tiny colonial backwater, and NYC being a magnet for EE chicks and being a difficult place to live for girls who are not oligarchs' daughters, I am guessing your prospect pool is 50X mine.GT, the picture of the second girl you posted was taken in my home town. Please share how you met her. I am going to take a guess that the picture is about eight years old.
Actually EE visa students are quite a good prospect base, especially for sponsorship, although no doubt many do straight P4P also.
#2 is a gorgeous Kiev girl also in need of tuition support. Not quite as buxom as #1, but even more gorgeous and charming in person, and with wonderful English. Kisses are out of this world, I can only imagine what her other talents are like. Well, maybe not "only imagine", as I have a second date with her later this week. Probably the same price structure as #1, around $1, 000 per month, which probably involves one night of bliss per week.
This is in Canada and I don't know about New York, but I am guessing with 20X the population of my tiny colonial backwater, and NYC being a magnet for EE chicks and being a difficult place to live for girls who are not oligarchs' daughters, I am guessing your prospect pool is 50X mine.NET! Canada is number 1 on the world for expat Ukrainians. Massive Ukr community in Canada.
Anyone want to hook up? Share taxis, club rounds, help each other to approach girls. Wingmans in general.Not possible to PM you! I'll be around!
Gentleman Travel
04-19-12, 16:43
NET! Canada is number 1 on the world for expat Ukrainians. Massive Ukr community in Canada.Yes, but most of those have been in Canada for many years or generations.
They lack the beauty, bodies, sluttiness and loose morals of the post-FSU exports.
You need highly motivated (I. E. Impoverished or ambitious) dyevs who have been inculcated in contemporary EE culture for successful results.
Canadian-Ukrainian girls (born here or grew up here) are just the same as normal Canadian girls, or worse because of religion and close-knit ethnic communities.
Gentleman Travel
04-19-12, 16:49
GT, the picture of the second girl you posted was taken in my home town. Please share how you met her. I am going to take a guess that the picture is about eight years old.OK, did not recognize the NY skyline, the photo is from her mamba page.
She lived in the US for a couple of years, including NYC, before coming to Canada 2 years ago.
Don't know exactly how old the photo is, at least 2 years obviously, but probably not much more. She looked just as good last night when we had dinner.
BTW, I may be in NYC next week for business. Maybe we can have a drink and swap "whare stories"?
OK, did not recognize the NY skyline, the photo is from her mamba page.
She lived in the US for a couple of years, including NYC, before coming to Canada 2 years ago.Thanks for the reply. The skyline is actually Chicago, Sears Tower in background. I'm always curious how others have met EE, especially in my back yard.
Poker Player 2
04-19-12, 17:35
This could be an end of an era moment? Gia website has been unavailable for a good 10 days and they are not responding to emails. Could they have been shut down perhaps? Any boots on the ground can confirm either way?
Cheers
CallSign Papa
04-19-12, 18:01
This could be an end of an era moment? Gia website has been unavailable for a good 10 days and they are not responding to emails. Could they have been shut down perhaps? Any boots on the ground can confirm either way?
CheersI"m with Uke Boy on this. If you travel all the way to Kiev and you don't have the brains or balls to follow the MANY posts on here that tell you where hot P4P can be found, you don't deserve pussy.
Ronaldinho, R to the T to the F to the F. LOOK AT THE GAME-TAPE!
There's a wealth of information in this one thread, enough to get you laid 10 times over. If Gia has gone the way of the Dodo, maybe that'll help rid the city of the lazier monger (who is usually the guy driving up prices for the rest of us).
D'Lux, Patipa, Caribean Club, Sorry Babushka, hell even Arena complex. Start there.
This could be an end of an era moment? Gia website has been unavailable for a good 10 days and they are not responding to emails. Could they have been shut down perhaps? Any boots on the ground can confirm either way?
CheersI only wish they were out of business, but unfortunately, no.
I just checked and the web site works just fine. I also called and they answer. It sounds like the problem may be all from your end.
It is also a bigger problem that you want to use this overpriced agency with real sad and ordinary girls. Coming all this way to Ukraine and then hooking up with Gia girls? Why?
Stay home and use your money on your local ladies. You will do much better.
Poker Player 2
04-19-12, 19:18
Papa,
Thanks for the input; let me use your own words to respond:
"You really should take a break from being such a massive prick. It can't be good for your general well being."
I know that gia is overprised and girls are not the top, and the girls are just ordinary. But there are no other site that we can compare our tastes in women. If you are so cool, uke boy, so reveal us the hotties you found in mamba or other sites. And bare in mind that gyes coming to Kiev for 2-3 days don't have enough time to bang freebie hotties as those who are coming for weeks or mounths. What is your best suggestion for gys comming for 2-3 days?I just can't believe you are asking such a question. My first reaction is to simply write RTFF which is the basic and standard reply.
My second is if all you are doing coming here, as I just posted, is to meet Gia girls. Stay home! You will save a lot of money and likely have a better time with local paid talent. Gia is the last resort of both the loser and the lazy bastard.
Like everywhere else, you have to work at it. Nobody, least of all the ladies here, are going to jump into bed with you just because you are here. It just about happened that way 15 years ago, but no way now. Times have changed and how.
You have to do your homework. Mamba, flirt and other sites can be very successfully mined, so much so that you can hook up with ladies from here even in your home country as the recent posts have shown. But you have to work at it. You also have to be prepared for a certain amount of frustration and failure. But there will also be successes as other posts have shown.
The same with the bars and clubs. No one lady even there is going to jump into your waiting arms because you are you unless you are one of the Klichko brothers.
It is the guys who put in the time to research and work who succeed. Be it for a visit for one day, one week or for years. There is no magic wand or potion. It is a lot of work and effort.
Ronaldinjo
04-19-12, 23:31
I just can't believe you are asking such a question. My first reaction is to simply write RTFF which is the basic and standard reply.
My second is if all you are doing coming here, as I just posted, is to meet Gia girls. Stay home! You will save a lot of money and likely have a better time with local paid talent. Gia is the last resort of both the loser and the lazy bastard.
Like everywhere else, you have to work at it. Nobody, least of all the ladies here, are going to jump into bed with you just because you are here. It just about happened that way 15 years ago, but no way now. Times have changed and how.
You have to do your homework. Mamba, flirt and other sites can be very successfully mined, so much so that you can hook up with ladies from here even in your home country as the recent posts have shown. But you have to work at it. You also have to be prepared for a certain amount of frustration and failure. But there will also be successes as other posts have shown.
The same with the bars and clubs. No one lady even there is going to jump into your waiting arms because you are you unless you are one of the Klichko brothers.
It is the guys who put in the time to research and work who succeed. Be it for a visit for one day, one week or for years. There is no magic wand or potion. It is a lot of work and effort.Uke boy, you didn't get a point here. Nobody is going to Kiev for gia girls, be sure. Here in lisboa I can get exactly the same quality, maybe for even a cheeper prise. But unfortunately gia is the only site with real pics, so eventhough the girls are mostly avarage, it is interesting for me to compare people rates. What if mamba girl (prices from 600-800 gryvnas / h) assures you that pics are hers? Can you trust her?
Is this the door to the goodies?
http://www.google.com/maps?q=Kropyvnyts%27koho+4&hl=sv&ll=50. 441805, 30. 526264&spn=0. 003683, 0.010203&sll=50. 441717, 30. 524093&layer=see&cbp=13, 199. 67, 0.5. 14&cbll=50. 441905, 30. 52415&hnear=Kropyvnyts%27koho+St, +4, +Kyiv, +Kyiv+city, +Ukraina&t=h&z=17&panoid=c7UlzDfihY7sRFYWs3evOQ
Member #4243
04-20-12, 01:28
Having just done a great tour of fkk clubs in germany I have been looking for something with a different twist for my next trip. I have come up with an idea to do a mixed fkk / Kiev trip in the same style that little joey does but with the difference being that in Kiev I would focus on erotic massage services and leave the full sex for germany on the way back. The rationale behind this is that I would be able to visit Kiev for sightseeing and after googling Kiev erotic massage and looking at many parlours the girls seem attractive but more importantly the price is really astonishing. For eg in london a 2 girl massage for 1/1. 5 hours from a reputable provider in erotic style could set you back 200/300 pounds easily whereas in Kiev it is easily half if not less than that even. Also I have dreamed for many years about the 2 girl massage experience but what really tops it is that in Kiev a 3 girl 2 hour erotic massage would still be affordable at around 150 pounds. A real bargain and a chance to really experience something new. Where I am looking for help is in 2 areas; ; 1) many of the sites are advertised in english so would I be right in assuming that booking an appointment by phone in english would also be simple? 2) have rtff but cannot find much information regarding the erotic massage scene in Kiev so can anyone give me a list of say the top 5 salons / parlours in Kiev with beauty of girls and facilities being the main criteria? Funnily enough I had spent a long time on the bucharest thread searching for erotic massages only to be diverted from there to here with the reason being that Kiev erotic massage salons offer far more attractive girls than in rumania according to a well travelled reporter there many thanks.
Mohab
Lora at Gia.
Had an appointment with her in the afternoon.
Very cute face, very pretty, better than her photos on the site.
FACE: 8.
BODY: 7.
PERSONALITY: 8, she speaks English, has a fun attitude, she is not from Kiev
Failed big time today. Etc. One girl came to the hotel but wanted me to come out and once I came out she left. I look good so it can't be because of uglyness.
CheersIt could be she has issues with the Color, Colour of your skin, be it White, Black, Olive, Yellow, Darker shade of Brown, etc?
She is the only one with the answer.
Uke boy, you didn't get a point here. Nobody is going to Kiev for gia girls, be sure. Here in lisboa I can get exactly the same quality, maybe for even a cheeper prise. But unfortunately gia is the only site with real pics, so eventhough the girls are mostly average, it is interesting for me to compare people rates. What if mamba girl (prices from 600-800 gryvnas / h) assures you that pics are hers? Can you trust her?There is no simple answer to your question. Some photos are real, others are not. It is a lottery as to what you will end up with.
From my POV, it is always worth trying since for me it is a fun and very interesting game. There is no losing. I make sure that we meet in a neutral place, mostly the cafeteria chain Puzata Khata. The food is not bad and it is cheap, the deserts are OK and they also serve beer and wine. There is one on Basseina and a very good one in Podil. I meet them and if they do not meet my criteria, it is a quick coffee and adios with some excuse such as my needing to work. If they are attractive and interesting for me, even if the picture was a fake, we go off to my place after coffee and a nice chat.
Now how does Gia enter into all of this? Girls on mamba that charge 600-800 grivna ($75-$100) are very much worth taking a chance on as long as other expenses such as the restaurant or meeting place is not excessively expensive. Even a local coffee house is fine. The girls oftentimes are no worse than any Gia girl, sometimes much better, and sometimes you can even get them to stay several hours or even the night for that original price or a just little more. With Gia, the first hour is about $250 and the rate I believe goes down significantly if you book additional hours. However, you will never get an overnighter with Gia unless you pay big dollars, it is just another crass local business with very ordinary goods for the terminally lazy.
I don't ultimately care about the pictures on mamba or anywhere else. I only care when the girl comes to meet me and if she is acceptable. The same principle applies to girls on top-models and other sites. The point is to get her to meet you. Once she is in front of you, then it is up to you to accept her or not and if not, then move on to the next one.
Rumor has it that there are a lot of attractive and willing girls in Kiev. If one is not for you, another is just around the corner.
Failed big time today. I made sure to have over 15 numbers to call when I arrived today. No answers, busy tone. Etc etc. One girl came to the hotel but wanted me to come out and once I came out she left. I look good so it can't be because of uglyness.
Fuck. I'm furious. Tomorrow I will go to a saloon and later a club round. I can't find the Kripynysto'koho str 4 on google maps. Can anyone advise please.
CheersText, not call. Send SMS with street and number. Then wait for reply. When someone arrives, she will send one more SMS and you can go outside and let her in. Accept or deny if other than photo. But be discreet, the girl does not want others on the street to know she is a sex worker. Then post a report, please.
There is no simple answer to your question. Some photos are real, others are not. It is a lottery as to what you will end up with.
From my POV, it is always worth trying since for me it is a fun and very interesting game. There is no losing. I make sure that we meet in a neutral place, mostly the cafeteria chain Puzata Khata. The food is not bad and it is cheap, the deserts are OK and they also serve beer and wine. There is one on Basseina and a very good one in Podil. I meet them and if they do not meet my criteria, it is a quick coffee and adios with some excuse such as my needing to work. If they are attractive and interesting for me, even if the picture was a fake, we go off to my place after coffee and a nice chat.
Now how does Gia enter into all of this? Girls on mamba that charge 600-800 grivna ($75-$100) are very much worth taking a chance on as long as other expenses such as the restaurant or meeting place is not excessively expensive. Even a local coffee house is fine. The girls oftentimes are no worse than any Gia girl, sometimes much better, and sometimes you can even get them to stay several hours or even the night for that original price or a just little more. With Gia, the first hour is about $250 and the rate I believe goes down significantly if you book additional hours. However, you will never get an overnighter with Gia unless you pay big dollars, it is just another crass local business with very ordinary goods for the terminally lazy.
I don't ultimately care about the pictures on mamba or anywhere else. I only care when the girl comes to meet me and if she is acceptable. The same principle applies to girls on top-models and other sites. The point is to get her to meet you. Once she is in front of you, then it is up to you to accept her or not and if not, then move on to the next one.
Rumor has it that there are a lot of attractive and willing girls in Kiev. If one is not for you, another is just around the corner.Your post is respectful of the person you are addressing, responsive, and provides guidance to newbies. Congrats. Didn't know you had it in you. Keep it up.
Having just done a great tour of fkk clubs in germany I have been looking for something with a different twist for my next trip. I have come up with an idea to do a mixed fkk / Kiev trip in the same style that little joey does but with the difference being that in Kiev I would focus on erotic massage services and leave the full sex for germany on the way back. The rationale behind this is that I would be able to visit Kiev for sightseeing and after googling Kiev erotic massage and looking at many parlours the girls seem attractive but more importantly the price is really astonishing. For eg in london a 2 girl massage for 1/1. 5 hours from a reputable provider in erotic style could set you back 200/300 pounds easily whereas in Kiev it is easily half if not less than that even. Also I have dreamed for many years about the 2 girl massage experience but what really tops it is that in Kiev a 3 girl 2 hour erotic massage would still be affordable at around 150 pounds. A real bargain and a chance to really experience something new. Where I am looking for help is in 2 areas; ; 1) many of the sites are advertised in english so would I be right in assuming that booking an appointment by phone in english would also be simple? 2) have rtff but cannot find much information regarding the erotic massage scene in Kiev so can anyone give me a list of say the top 5 salons / parlours in Kiev with beauty of girls and facilities being the main criteria? Funnily enough I had spent a long time on the bucharest thread searching for erotic massages only to be diverted from there to here with the reason being that Kiev erotic massage salons offer far more attractive girls than in rumania according to a well travelled reporter there many thanks.
MohabHello again Mohab. Interestingly enough, as I write this, I am sitting on the plane getting ready for take off to Frankfurt, where I will spend the weekend at Oase and Palace, and Sunday go to London for 1 night. My Kiev visit was earlier in the month before the holiday. Mohab, why would you restrict yourself in Kiev in such a way? It makes no sense. If you finally have the visit to Kiev planned, do it the right way and give it your best shot. There is plenty oh good advice on this thread on how to do it. The prices are much cheaper than in FKK-land, and the girls are beautiful in Kiev. Do your advance homework on mamba. Ru, get a bunch of numbers, schedule a lot of meetings, and hit the clubs in the evening, and also do some massage salons in the day. You CAN do it all. So why not?
LJ
CallSign Papa
04-20-12, 15:46
Papa,
Thanks for the input; let me use your own words to respond:Says the guy who's been a member of this forum for years and has never once given a report from Kiev. Guys like you are the reason this particular thread is going to shit, you want information but you don't reciprocate. Congrats.
Your post is respectful of the person you are addressing, responsive, and provides guidance to newbies. Congrats. Didn't know you had it in you. Keep it up.I second that.
My problem is that I am far too shy. I see some hot girls at gia or escort-models and when I think of calling, I get freaked out and can't do it.
Meeting girls is just as hard. It's my last night in Kiev and feel like a failure because if you can't get laid here, where can you right? Besides that. 300. 00 seems like way too much to pay. I'm pretty sure you can get something for 100-250. Oh well.
Hello. Seems Barba was lucky with his first Ukrainian girl. Took the bus for 25 grivnas from the airport and sent a "I am here" SMS to eight different girls I met on the social sites always discussed here. Three replied or called and where ready to meet up. After a one stop 2 grivna metro ride, and less than 2 hours I was checked into a nice apartment close to the park at University metro station, and could welcome a very sweet and somewhat flaky 23 year old girl. We did not discuss money or P4P before I landed, but quite soon it was clear she would be happy for a little contribution.
Her English was not super but we had no problems to communicate for the 3, 5 hours she spent here. Very talkative, a bit vain like young girls often are, slim body, great little ass, black hair, big tits (that was a bit softer than desired) a with the abs I had 20 years ago. Fit girl that likes the gym. Unemployed TV journalist that just graduated, or at least she told me this. Her lips are really full and as so often the size upstairs correlates with the size of the lips between the legs. Juicy and meaty pussy. Different from the small Asian clams. Half an hour of chit chat over a glass of red and then three hours of sucking and fucking in all positions. I was drained from the travels so only came twice, but a lot of kissing and cuddling in between.
No penetration without condom but she sucked my cock when it was drenched in sperm, immediately after the first session and I licked her drippng pussy until I could feel her contractions and shivers. I like to really dive into a wet pussy and get wet so I still have her smell in my nose, even after an hour in the Jacuzzi after she left. We agreed on 100 USD but gave her 120 USD and she was happy. We will meet agin so I will not share her info (yet).
Tomorrow evening I will visit some clubs, so feel free to PM me if you are in town.
B.Thats the experience I want.
Your post is respectful of the person you are addressing, responsive, and provides guidance to newbies. Congrats. Didn't know you had it in you. Keep it up.Thanks, but don't worry Joey and Climax, I haven't changed in any way. Depending on the post, I can turn into my other self if need be. It all depends.
My problem is that I am far too shy. I see some hot girls at gia or escort-models and when I think of calling, I get freaked out and can't do it.
Meeting girls is just as hard. It's my last night in Kiev and feel like a failure because if you can't get laid here, where can you right? Besides that. 300. 00 seems like way too much to pay. I'm pretty sure you can get something for 100-250. Oh well.Usguy, I feel for you but if you are shy, this is definitely not the place for you. You are not a failure since you came here with a basic lack of understanding as to how women here behave and think. This is not to say I know this 100% but it did take a lot of years of mostly error in that trial and error way of learning.
Forget about the girls from Gia or top-models. Even in regular relationships, and I have had my share over the years I have been here, women here expect and even demand that " a man be a man" and take the lead and be out there, to be a dominant "A" type male. If you are anything else but that in their eyes, they will walk all over you and then grind you into dust. They hate a man who shows weakness or anything that they may consider as a "feminine" or soft side of a man.
I have a secret to reveal. The women here look upon an equal male-female relationship as defined in the US or the UK with horror, shock and with disgust towards the man in that type of relationship. A male must act and be a male as they see it, and a woman is a woman and must be treated as such. If you are "shy," or "nice" or show yourself to be in any way "soft" then you will inevitably fail.
That said, there is absolutely no shame here in a paid relationship, be it for one hour or for one year. Both sides get something they want out of it. It could be an hour with a girl from top-models, from mamba or a sponsorship with a student. All of it is acceptable and you should not be afraid of such things if you come back here for a second try. It is all perfectly normal.
Having just done a great tour of fkk clubs in germany I have been looking for something with a different twist for my next trip. I have come up with an idea to do a mixed fkk / Kiev trip in the same style that little joey does but with the difference being that in Kiev I would focus on erotic massage services and leave the full sex for germany on the way back.In all the time that I have been here, I have never even once been in a massage parlor. Why not? Because this place is as our late and often lamented Bez Bezarra has named it, is Candyland. There are major treats everywhere here for the taking. No need for hand jobs or a "happy ending" when all nighters and full service pleasures cost just as much.
Unless you are into a form of self abuse or you really and absolutely need a massage, there is no need to go to these types of places here.
My problem is that I am far too shy. I see some hot girls at gia or escort-models and when I think of calling, I get freaked out and can't do it.
Meeting girls is just as hard. It's my last night in Kiev and feel like a failure because if you can't get laid here, where can you right? Besides that. 300. 00 seems like way too much to pay. I'm pretty sure you can get something for 100-250. Oh well.I just can't stand by and hear a fellow ISG'er actually come to Kiev and not get laid. The way you present the problem is that you very much want sex, but you are too nervous to reach out and grab it. You have written that spending $300 is too much for you. Sometimes a guy who needs a little extra help needs to pay a little more for sex services, but if it's not in your budget, then you must go to other options. You have written that you can't call an escort to come to your apartment. If you are tongue tied with even the phone call, what is going to happen when you actually have a girl in your apartment? One has to assume that you won't be able to talk to her directly either, and things will get awkward quickly and won't come to a happy ending.
From your description of your feelings, you need a situation where things will proceed to sex without you having to say or do too much to make it happen. This means that the best solution for you is to go to an apartment brothel type situation where you simply will need to point to a girl you want and she will take you into a room, have you wash up and blow you and fuck you. The language barrier will serve as protection for you to not have to speak that much. If you can get up enough nerve to ask a taxi driver to take you to an apartment that has girls for sex, or you can research this thread for recent postings listing addresses or phone numbers of some apartments the poster liked, and you can get yourself in the door, you might see a girl you like and your sex drive will take over and take you the next few steps toward bliss.
Going to a brothel is a time honored way for nervous young men to finally have sex with a woman. Do it. Get a few notches on your belt. Pretty soon you will feel great about going after women to get paid sex, just like the rest of us here.
If going to an apartment to get full sex, seems too daunting to you, then go to a salon like dolly salon or others where you also don't need to speak to and charm the girl, and she will take you and massage your body, and play with your dick, until you cum once or maybe twice. Now, what could be better than that?
Don't leave Kiev without going to an apartment / brothel for full sex or going to a massage salon (see recent posts On this thread for some salon suggestions. In addition to Dolly) for a body work session with a great orgasm for you as the girl's sole goal (after you've paid the money of course).
That all being said insofar as you are in Kiev now, it seems to me that the place for a shy guy like you to have great sex is in the FKK Oase near Frankfurt Germany. The girls come after you, and all you have to do is wait until a great looking one asks you to please come and have sex with her for 50 Euro per half hour. It can't get much better than that, friend. Do it for your next trip. You won't be sorry.
Good luck.
LJ
My problem is that I am far too shy. I see some hot girls at gia or escort-models and when I think of calling, I get freaked out and can't do it.
Meeting girls is just as hard. It's my last night in Kiev and feel like a failure because if you can't get laid here, where can you right? Besides that. 300. 00 seems like way too much to pay. I'm pretty sure you can get something for 100-250. Oh well.I read it and can't say much. Homeboy I can't believe you have such opportunity away from home and not going to us it. I Never been to Kiev and will travel there in 10 days but I have so much information that I just can't use it all. Go on mamba. Ru call any agencies.
http://minuet.biz/main
http://sexkiev.net/
http://intimgirls.net/
http://www.hot-love.net/
There is hundreds numbers on mamba. Prices from $50 hr.
Just do it. You will have so much fun.
yes guys i decided finally to join membership. i did posted before under couple of different names but it is time to give something back.)
if anybody need some contacts from mamba let me know. i will go there for the first time but i have about 30 phone numbers from mamba i gathered.
also as fluent speeaker i will be glad to assist you if we will visit kiev at the same time.)
Blonde Addict
04-21-12, 11:53
yes guys i decided finally to join membership. i did posted before under couple of different names but it is time to give something back.)
if anybody need some contacts from mamba let me know. i will go there for the first time but i have about 30 phone numbers from mamba i gathered.
also as fluent speeaker i will be glad to assist you if we will visit kiev at the same time.) sure i am here another week, and could use more contacts, particularly i like the young lean blonde ones, that provide good service, have any of those?
Ronaldinjo
04-21-12, 12:46
There is no simple answer to your question. Some photos are real, others are not. It is a lottery as to what you will end up with.
From my POV, it is always worth trying since for me it is a fun and very interesting game. There is no losing. I make sure that we meet in a neutral place, mostly the cafeteria chain Puzata Khata. The food is not bad and it is cheap, the deserts are OK and they also serve beer and wine. There is one on Basseina and a very good one in Podil. I meet them and if they do not meet my criteria, it is a quick coffee and adios with some excuse such as my needing to work. If they are attractive and interesting for me, even if the picture was a fake, we go off to my place after coffee and a nice chat.
Now how does Gia enter into all of this? Girls on mamba that charge 600-800 grivna ($75-$100) are very much worth taking a chance on as long as other expenses such as the restaurant or meeting place is not excessively expensive. Even a local coffee house is fine. The girls oftentimes are no worse than any Gia girl, sometimes much better, and sometimes you can even get them to stay several hours or even the night for that original price or a just little more. With Gia, the first hour is about $250 and the rate I believe goes down significantly if you book additional hours. However, you will never get an overnighter with Gia unless you pay big dollars, it is just another crass local business with very ordinary goods for the terminally lazy.
I don't ultimately care about the pictures on mamba or anywhere else. I only care when the girl comes to meet me and if she is acceptable. The same principle applies to girls on top-models and other sites. The point is to get her to meet you. Once she is in front of you, then it is up to you to accept her or not and if not, then move on to the next one.
Rumor has it that there are a lot of attractive and willing girls in Kiev. If one is not for you, another is just around the corner.Thank you uke boy, you are wright about gia, a way too expensive for what you get. Maybe we should give more chance to mamba, although its risky and time consuming. What about bordhels that "you and me" advertised recently? Have somebody or you been there? Is it possible to find really attractive girls there? (8s or 9s). Prices range from 800-1000 / h
One fianl note. Your biggest enemy here are the police. They are very corrupt here. I am not in the habit of carrying my paassport everywhere, but they use not having that as an excuse to shake you down and threaten to bring you to police department and stay overnight. Once they shook me down for 500 gringaa, the other time $200 right outside of my apartment when I was steppein out to pay for the taxi of WG! I hear if you just say go ahead and take me there they will back down but I hear in the last 3 years this has gotten very bad, I am here another week and then on to russia wait forr more reports!If you are staying or hanging around the center of the city for any length of time, I do strongly urge each and every one of you to carry your passport with you at all times. As you can see from this report, the worst element here are the militia who are about as corrupt as they come. Next to the worst of them, the traffic police.
If you have your passport, then there is nothing they can do to you. It is when you do not have the passport on you that you can run into expensive trouble.
Your money is better spent on the women, not on fat, ugly, stupid, greedy and venal bastards better known as militia.
Thank you uke boy, you are wright about gia, a way too expensive for what you get. Maybe we should give more chance to mamba, although its risky and time consuming. What about bordhels that "you and me" advertised recently? Have somebody or you been there? Is it possible to find really attractive girls there? (8s or 9s). Prices range from 800-1000 / hI do stop by these brothels from time to time when it moves me. Most of them you can see on top-models when a lot of "girl friends" are also listed.
You go in and see who is available. Again, the available ladies at that apartment are in front of you. If someone strikes you and she provides the services you want at the price you want, you go with her. If not, you leave, no harm done and move on to the next place. Like anything else, it is all hit or miss but at least you can assess the lady on the spot. You can have great sex as I did once with a 19 year old, cumming in her ass three times in two hours. Unfortunately she completely disappeared two days later when I wanted a return visit. That is the real problem, there is a lot of turnover in ladies. Other times, the sex can be ordinary and even almost boring, but don't forget it is still sex.
Life itself is risky and time consuming. If you want guarantees for everything that you do such as mamba ladies or salon ladies, and who you will meet, then get a wife and live with her and see no one else. That is your only guarantee. If you want to experiment and enjoy the hunt as I do, I sometimes succeeding wildly, with other times walking away just shaking my head wondering why. However, all these events and ladies, good and bad, are ultimately something I will look upon later in life with sheer pleasure at all the memories. My biggest regret would be not taking these chances and opportunities and experiencing everything possible.
Sure I am here another week, and could use more contacts, particularly I like the young lean blonde ones, that provide good service, have any of those?Let me sent you a couple of links from mamba. Need to warn you that I did not check them yet.) But at least you will have phone # and prices that you going to like.)
Sure I am here another week, and could use more contacts, particularly I like the young lean blonde ones, that provide good service, have any of those?Sorry you don't have PM set up. I can't sent you message.
I do stop by these brothels from time to time when it moves me. Most of them you can see on top-models when a lot of "girl friends" are also listed.
You can have great sex as I did once with a 19 year old, cumming in her ass three times in two hours. Unfortunately she completely disappeared two days later when I wanted a return visit. That is the real problem, there is a lot of turnover in ladies.Great reports Uke Boy as they have been for several years. I do think that you have left us a clue on why the 19 year old completely disappeared after your anal attention being in need for significant recovery time. Probably frightened the girl half to death and she headed either to her home village or a nunnery. .
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BlackMagic777
04-21-12, 19:36
I've been reading on this site for about 5 years, never posted or anything but that will soon change guaranteed. I have mogered in Sri Lanka, Costa Rica, Colombia, Senegal, Johannesburg, Addis Ababa (My Goodness love that place) and Canada. Never had any issues. I normally get freebies through Facebook, twitter and Myspace. In no way am I bragging, so don't get into your feelings please. But now that I'm here in Kiev and will be here for quite some time, I must say this place is a different beast. First, we all know the difficulties here in EE and Kiev for black men and yes I heard it all before. I have yet to go to any of these saloons, bars, clubs and parlors due to the fact that I hate getting somewhere to be turned away, I, e shooters club (from what I have read. I am in decent shape african american mid 30's. I normally travel to countries on my own because my friends tend to be broke, married, depressed, hate flying and still broke. LOL. With that being said this is definitely a place I could use some advice from you guys. I have read post back 20 pages or so. Are there specific places here in Kiev where a brother can actually go into without being hit with the so called "face control and pick up quality women". Unlike western europe, this is a different atmosphere. I have read Mamba or flirt but at the same time guys want to get out and see the talent. If anyone is willing to go the extra mile and show me around then that would be appreciated gladly. Thanks for the advice on this one fellas.
CallSign Papa
04-21-12, 20:06
Well I had been here 10 years ago when married and I went the GIA route. This time I am divorced and decided to mine the single date sites first like ukrianedate. Com and wonderfulove. Ru maybe looking for something serious. I had 25 beautiful prospects, some in the 10 category. I stayed at Kiev apartments in the center, great location, but there is one problem I shall tell you about later.Good report BA. Playing the long game with non-P4P girls is definitely a lottery, but it basically comes down to showing them that you're serious and not just around to get laid once or twice. Of course you can get lucky and meet a girl who just wants to get screwed, but that doesn't happen often. You're definitely right about the Sex Tourist paranoia.
You seem to have done a pretty good tour of the city in terms of bars. I guess for other newbies to Kiev, they breakdown into three types:
1) P4P bars. These are places like Buddha Bar, where the drinks are London prices, the girls are London prices and the service is usually very average.
2) Semi P4P bars. D'Lux, which is my personal favourite stomping ground, Barsky, Shooters, Caribbean club. D'Lux is obviously crazy expensive, but the girls are better and cheaper than Rio. Shooters in mostly students and some slightly older girls looking to make some quick money.
3) Non-P4P bars. Sori Babushka, Dockers etc, where you might pull (if you have game in Russian) , but you won't buy a honey for the night (or at least, I couldn't).
Then you've obviously got the strip clubs, which are a good place to start your night, not end it.
I hope you have a successful 2nd week
I've been reading on this site for about 5 years, never posted or anything but that will soon change guaranteed. I have mogered in Sri Lanka, Costa Rica, Colombia, Senegal, Johannesburg, Addis Ababa (My Goodness love that place) and Canada. Never had any issues. I normally get freebies through Facebook, twitter and Myspace. In no way am I bragging, so don't get into your feelings please. But now that I'm here in Kiev and will be here for quite some time, I must say this place is a different beast. First, we all know the difficulties here in EE and Kiev for black men and yes I heard it all before. I have yet to go to any of these saloons, bars, clubs and parlors due to the fact that I hate getting somewhere to be turned away, I, e shooters club (from what I have read. I am in decent shape african american mid 30's. I normally travel to countries on my own because my friends tend to be broke, married, depressed, hate flying and still broke. LOL. With that being said this is definitely a place I could use some advice from you guys. I have read post back 20 pages or so. Are there specific places here in Kiev where a brother can actually go into without being hit with the so called "face control and pick up quality women". Unlike western europe, this is a different atmosphere. I have read Mamba or flirt but at the same time guys want to get out and see the talent. If anyone is willing to go the extra mile and show me around then that would be appreciated gladly. Thanks for the advice on this one fellas.. So, mr black magic you seek for advice here on Kiev forum? You say you have mongered in all them place you mention yet you only have the 2 posts, strange? Well you went back 20 pages so maybe go back another 20, then another 20, then. Get the picture? Read the forum.
Global Surfer
04-22-12, 01:23
I've been reading on this site for about 5 years, never posted or anything but that will soon change guaranteed. I have mogered in Sri Lanka, Costa Rica, Colombia, Senegal, Johannesburg, Addis Ababa (My Goodness love that place) and Canada. Never had any issues. I normally get freebies through Facebook, twitter and Myspace. In no way am I bragging, so don't get into your feelings please. But now that I'm here in Kiev and will be here for quite some time, I must say this place is a different beast. First, we all know the difficulties here in EE and Kiev for black men and yes I heard it all before. I have yet to go to any of these saloons, bars, clubs and parlors due to the fact that I hate getting somewhere to be turned away, I, e shooters club (from what I have read. I am in decent shape african american mid 30's. I normally travel to countries on my own because my friends tend to be broke, married, depressed, hate flying and still broke. LOL. With that being said this is definitely a place I could use some advice from you guys. I have read post back 20 pages or so. Are there specific places here in Kiev where a brother can actually go into without being hit with the so called "face control and pick up quality women". Unlike western europe, this is a different atmosphere. I have read Mamba or flirt but at the same time guys want to get out and see the talent. If anyone is willing to go the extra mile and show me around then that would be appreciated gladly. Thanks for the advice on this one fellas.Atmosphere in Ukraine or EE for that matter is not the same as Western Europe but It is not that bad eigher. I have seen black guys in Bacardi, Budha bar, Patipa and a few more (I cannot remember the name.) Only once I noticed two local guys making inappropriate gestures at two black men buth they were approached and warned by the bouncers and later removed. I have never been to shooters so I cannot comment.
If you dress decently and behave decently, I think you should not have any problems.
If you are living in Kiev than you should be able to accompany yuor workmates or local friends.
With that being said this is definitely a place I could use some advice from you guys. I have read post back 20 pages or so. Are there specific places here in Kiev where a brother can actually go into without being hit with the so called "face control and pick up quality women".I would not worry about face control in Kiev as long as you are well dressed and do not present yourself as an "ugly American". Face control is a true problem in Moscow. Apparently, the doorman at Pacha nightclub did not appreciate my 40 year old ass with thinning hair and small pasta belly.
BlackMagic777
04-22-12, 09:44
. So, mr black magic you seek for advice here on Kiev forum? You say you have mongered in all them place you mention yet you only have the 2 posts, strange? Well you went back 20 pages so maybe go back another 20, then another 20, then. Get the picture? Read the forum.So Mr How14. How about you go back a nd read my first line where I clearly stated."I never posted or anything". Report back to me when you're done.
BlackMagic777
04-22-12, 09:47
Thanks Climax and Gobal for the kind response and info.
Delta Indigo
04-22-12, 20:54
This might be a very stupid question and for that I have to ask for your forgiveness beforehand.
When you quote rates of $100 per hour or $200 for the night, do you actually pay the girls in US dollars or local currency.
I have never paid girls in anything but local currency, but since all the quotes are in dollars I am starting to wonder.
USD, Euro or local, doesn't matter.
I usually base my exchange rate on 8. 0. I don't track Euros.
This might be a very stupid question and for that I have to ask for your forgiveness beforehand.
When you quote rates of $100 per hour or $200 for the night, do you actually pay the girls in US dollars or local currency.
I have never paid girls in anything but local currency, but since all the quotes are in dollars I am starting to wonder.
Ronaldinjo
04-22-12, 21:17
Lj is the only one who have been there. Did someone else been there? How is the quality there, is it possible to shag some 9s (real 9s) there? Lj, what do you think?
Ronaldinjo
04-23-12, 12:04
Hello buddy, what do you think about Dall club? Did someone else been there? How is the quality there, is it possible to shag some 9s (real 9s) there? Lj, what do you think? And what about mamba girl that you shaged your last trip? Did the the same girl on the pictures appeared or pics were fake?
With respect,
Ronaldinjo
Nille Copenhagen
04-23-12, 17:13
Hello buddy, what do you think about Dall club? Did someone else been there? How is the quality there, is it possible to shag some 9s (real 9s) there? Lj, what do you think? And what about mamba girl that you shaged your last trip? Did the the same girl on the pictures appeared or pics were fake?
With respect,
RonaldinjoOne word PITA!
Amazing how many questions do you have? 100+
LifeSavour
04-23-12, 17:44
Took me to a listing of former (MY email. Ru) sites and postings.
Where is. Doctor_Skank?
And 'Cruiser Luiser" it is now nice to see you are posting without your usual.
FUCK YOU & eat shit. Gobble di GOOK!
LS 'the man" Savour!
DoctorOral
04-25-12, 19:10
Diear Schuker 69. Can you PM me. Lets exchange some data!
"Strolling thru Globus mall met 2 students early 20's"
BrasilSoccer0
04-26-12, 10:33
So you got any photos to proof what you are saying? Mamba! As in the dating website? And you paid 500grn? Really?
Ok, wow, can't believe the amount of Kiev posts since I left the wild city. Been reading this forum for a very long time as I do not post locally as not much to report, but now big time! Recently returned from a very interesting and friggin cold winter in Kiev. Started the adventure in Amsterdam, and backpacked thru ten different countries by train. After a visit to Paris over new years decided to fly from Kohl to Kiev and 2 days later I was there. Along the way I did manage to check out some awesome points of interest but do not have exact names, locations of some, all in this order- ie; RLD Amsterdam, Antwert, first FKK club ever-Berndt, Germany, Prague FKK, Goldentime, Vienna, small / awesome parlour Barcelona, Dolce Vita, Dusseldorf, then bam- Kiev where I was very happy to finally get to plant my ass in one spot for a while after so much running around Europe.
Rented 5 different flats over a 2 1/2 month span, including a one bedroom in Lviv for 200 grn / nite. Last flat was a steal for $50 / nite one block up from Khrschatyk St. Which I rented for 6 weeks. Took me a few days to get my game as I am 50 years young passing myself off easily forat40 years but because I had no idea I was going to Ukraine, so I had alot of catching up / research to do if I wanted to get down to business and succeed as much as possible. First thing I did was buy a phone and could not imagine getting anything done without it. Having read so much info and detail on Rio I did check it out and maybe it was an off nite but decided this was not going to be needed since I was here for a long time. No offense, but so much detailed info about this girl, that girl, what she does, name, jesus, who wants to keep a journel for this action? Where's the thrill?
Ok- Yes, mistakes were made and money spend on a few women who were freebies but not in leaving my wallet alone, because I was a dumb ass but I eventually learned what to avoid and what to concentrate on. Reason is I mistakenly thought I could charm them into my bed and actually did sleep with a hot 25 year old early on but that is all, sleep, and then she pranced around my flat almost naked for a few hours and it drove me nuts, but thought I was laying ground work for a future hot session. Wrong, oh, I tried but didn't happen, a couple others too but this happens back home because I always try to land a woman who is alot younger than me and this takes patience, and willingness to get dumped at any time. But figure the risk right now is ok, as not interested in hooking up with a local fat ass which seems like. Every other woman, so when I landed in Kiev I was blown away by the shape and beauty of these women and it was friggin winter!
Did join Travel Girls a few weeks before and met a few non pros off it that ended up as cool young female friends who I partied with and hung out throughout my stay. Too old for some, as wish I could have turned back clock but it is what it is now. Hit many bars and have an opinion of a few, all depending on what kind of shape I was in or who I was with. Now onto Mamba, did not even know of website till I continued to read here so thanks for that guys. Then started to work it hard after loading a profile, and I got so busy with non pros, and semi pros I had to keep a journel because I was losing track of all these girls, where I met them and where I was going to see them next. Crazy, but I met a guy from the homeland who now lives in Kiev, and spent a few months in Kiev many years ago. Who kept 2 journels containing more than 400 girls, and at the time he wasat45 years old and just walked arounf the city as a horny foreigner, cafes, bars, the street, always asking "do you speak english?" well that was then and it has changed from what I hear and see, but what has not changed is the incedibly beautiful, and well built, sexy dressed ladies who are everywhere.
Strolling thru Globus mall met 2 students early 20's sitting at a bench and after a chat decide to go for a coffee. Don't think I will venture into the rating thing here but they were cool girls and one in particular had great tits and a sweet pussy, who ended up coming over to my flat, both getting naked in my bed and having sex with both for 300 grn, then a few days later 400 grn. They called me for the next few days but was too busy with other girls. I was having 2-3 girls coming to my flat daily sometimes, or meeting them in city centre. Reg girls knew what was going on as I was rushing to either get them out of my flat or had an excuse to get somewhere fast. It was actually stressful is a funny way, but this kind of stress I enjoyed. Alot of partying and fun along the way. Mamba connections were done where I turned away girls who came to my door because I was extra picky that day and sometimes they would send 3 girls? Wtd I would say and close the door but the solo girls that did not measure up I always gave 50 grn for taxi.
Hell, my flat was on the third floor and it was the coldest winter in 40 years in Kiev. A few girls who I chatted up for a while came over and some were 600 grn, hot sex then bye, bye, and others not asking about grn, I would ask to join me to eat at a restaurant / pub of my choice. Then a few just came back to my flat for a few drinks and a snack where I would make a pass hard and fast so I could quickly see what I was up against. Hell, I has 2 freebies on 2 separate visits, a hot 19 and then a 20 year old. Crazy fun, as I always tried to make sure my kitchen was well stocked with a variety of booze, food, and snacks for my visitors. One sexy 25 year old spent who I had met a week before all of a sudden talks about grn so I told her to come over, we drank, and she danced in sexy lingerie while the music played and then spent the nite for hot sex and then more in the morning too. 800 grn+ 50 taxi. Lviv was the same, totally hot mamba girl. 24 year old girl overnite but 1200 grn, including taxi. Do the math here please! Many other stories but also got very busy with one lady in particular 15 years younger and had great sex with her too many times to count, and who I went out with as often as I could but since she worked many hours a week at her job filled in balance of free time elsewhere. I enjoyed sight seeing with a few ladies and had a great time. Yes the cops are to avoided as I have opinions on this too. Don't know what else to say and sorry for blabbing on and not laying this info out earlier but only back to shitty reality a few weeks ago. If you want more info please ask. Ps. No Ukrainian / Russian spoken but next time I will have a few phrases to make it easier.
Sorry friend I don't believe a word your saying, I'm not having itI agree. Almost all reports that mention Travel Girls (scam site) are bogus.
CityHunter77
04-26-12, 14:54
I think report by Schuker69 is genuine. If you have game and a little cash anything is possible.
Travel Girls is a good option, met 6 girls from there.
I agree. Almost all reports that mention Travel Girls (scam site) are bogus.
I think report by Schuker69 is genuine. If you have game and a little cash anything is possible.
Travel Girls is a good option, met 6 girls from there.The post is completely void of real detail. It follows the same form as many before it. Basic rehash of thread intel, mentioning of Travel Girls, and member with few posts. I would be leery of any 50 year young new member claiming freebies, especially with the magic words. Travel Girls.
The post is completely void of real detail. It follows the same form as many before it. Basic rehash of thread intel, mentioning of Travel Girls, and member with few posts. I would be leery of any 50 year young new member claiming freebies, especially with the magic words. Travel Girls.I agree, I would be careful listening to any member of this board who always speaks out about only one option in Kiev: stripclub, website or other provider. Seems like there is a lot of available o in Kiev and arriving in couple of days I will explore them. PM me guys if you want to meet for a drink.)
If you have game and a little cash anything is possible.In regards to freebies, I would recommend to forget the canned crap about "game and a little cash". The reality is more like "tons of time and piles of dough". Its all about you presenting yourself as a secure man and your ability to cross paths with needy girls.
Dear Muddy, your comments are very usefull indeed, thank you. I'm travveling to Kiev next week and would like to know which girl you took home allowed DATY? And who was best girl you took home? Sofia? Did she allowed DATY? Thank you and wait for my report after may of 12, when I'm back from Kiev.You are royal pain in the fucking ass. Just get here and see what is available at the time the girls are available. You are really a hopeless case.
Well I knew I was going to get some douters but did not think my brief mention of travelgirls, which I used only occasionally, would spark such a negative reaction? Bogus? The website or me? Alot of reasons to trash website but there are some legit non pros on there. Travelling solo, met a couple ladies before I reached Kiev. First was a Bulgarian lady who lived in Milan and then Barcelona, where I travelled with a lady to Madrid for 2 days. Even though a freebie proved to be an expensive rendevous. Not a good success rate as I emailed many girls before I arrived in their city but the website sucks for only listing the country so you have to ask them what city they live, (the option is there for them to list it but many do not.) total BS and after membership expired not renewed.
Prior to arriving in Paris, arrived in Germany and met a fellow travellerat20 years younger who joined TG too and after my suggestion, decided to travel to Kiev for a week or so. (I stayed 9 more weeks) We were both chatting with a few girls from Kiev and 2 hours after we arrived, which was Jan 7 / Ukrainan Christmas- we met my buddies new good looking mid 20 friend and her gf and took the metro / bus to an outdoor festival on the outskirts of the city. Drank some kind of honey wine and partied and danced with many Kiev folks all nite. This resulted in my buddy hooking up with this girl who refused to allow him to pay for a thing, and she stayed at our flat many nites the first week. Friday she invited a few friends, luckily mostly girls to our flat and had a blast dancing and drinking all nite again. Then my buddy left town and I was on my own, and hung with a good looking early 20 gilr for a while who I invited to the party. Now when I say hung out, I am saying I would have liked to have landed her in bed but for a few reasons, my age, her moving to Cyrus in a few weeks, this did not happen etc. And after lending her 100 grn for a taxi hounded me for 3 days to pay me back. I met a few more girls and while in Lviv a mid 20 girl non pro who returned from Poland and lived in a small city 2 hours away. She arrived in at my flat looking for a place to stay the nite and we spent the next day exploring Lviv together and had a great time. A few more were met in Kiev as another thought herself as some sort of indepandant tour guide. A little adorable girl, mid 20 as she took me to a great bar across river, think it was called Bonanza, live band and alot of dancing. I did not pay her as I was drunk and forgot I guess. She made plans to take the train to Odessa together but I changed my mind. Too much fun in Kiev to leave. So TG bogus? For most part maybe but it filled up some time and met a few girls, and got laid a few times, and my buddy for the first time in 8 months (go figure) got laid many times for free. I think alot of girls off tg have legit pics too and don't change them every 3 days. Of course had alot of fun with Mamba because there are so many in Kiev, with many need money for rent / food, etc. And while there not too many foreigners crazy enuf to be there entire winter freezing their ass off in minus 25-32 degrees, for you suspicious types, did you actually join Tg and try it? Prob not or you did and not have much luck? And that's all I got to say about that!
so you got any photos to proof what you are saying? mamba! as in the dating website? and you paid 500grn? really?going over my long post where do you see me mention 500 grn? really? globus, starving students were given 300 grn total first time, and second visit 400 grn total. yes, you read this right. saw then sitting together on a bench in mall walkway. sat next to them and made a phone call to a friend. they of course hear me chatting in english as this was planned, and after they started to chat with me. this lead to coffee and next days my flat. mamba girls mostly were 600 grn and i don't see where i list 500 grn? as far as photos, i don't start snapping pics of every girl i meet, i have a few but generally not my style. am i on trial here? wtf- i would not give 2 shits to ask you for proof and not going to go thru your previous posts to see your history. unrelated here but so what- hell. 2 years ago i flew to dr, tried to get a girl i prevoiusly met to stay with me but she was busy, and tells me her cousin is free, exchange pics and looks hot, and soon a 26 year old babes meets me at the airport for a wild week of sex and fun. only thing i paid for was her return bus ride. i did not pay for her up front in case of no show and dumb ass at front desk / all inclusive did not even charge me for her. there are stories like this i have and way before the internet, when some of you were in [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) or not even born. i used the international ads in buy and sell to invite girls to travel and stay at my apt, from rio, mexico city, dallas, etc. worked then by snail mail and as am now an old dog still do what i can. i also list enticing ads in local craigslist which got me laid many times by 2 very young non pros too! trick is to use your imagination and even though your friends may not want to play this game or know how- just do it yourself, what do you have to lose?
adios
I agree. Almost all reports that mention Travel Girls (scam site) are bogus.Curoius how you can read my long post and the only reference you make is my brief mention of TG which makes upat2 % of post? Ok I am a little pissed now. Don't think I want to read your future posts with any validity since you obvoiusly are narrow minded from this response. I think you are bogus dude! I explain more in another post here and hope you use some intelligence if you respond.
Iceberg7811
04-27-12, 09:20
Two semi pros from Mamba messaged me asking if I could help them with rent money. They needed 1700 grn. They were offering to come over and have a party for 3 hours. I went and bought vodka wine and beers and we were talking for a while getting to know each other.
They were super cool. Anyway after having the best threesome in my life! BBBJ one really liked to suck cock and gave me the best BJ I have had in ages. I came in her mouth and the other one had the biggest tits.
The person from my hostel comes knocks at the door and tells me to stop smoking. Fuck.
I find an apartment and get the fuck out of there so to cut a long story short We are in the taxi I give them the money to pay for the rent. (Legit story). And they don't fucking come back. Fucking bitches. Anyway one of them left her jacket in the taxi. I know she is going to be spewing about that. All in all it was an awesome experience.
CallSign Papa
04-27-12, 11:46
The entire p4p Kiev market is basically not worth traveling over seas. However, I plan many trips to Kiev to tap the free scene, the really expensive stuff.Climaxnow, essentially I'm in total agreement. But I guess it depends on where you're travelling from. If where you are has a crappy P2P scene, then who knows.
Personally, I visit Kiev regularly because I just flat out love the city. Having spent time working there, I find the history fascinating, you can walk all day through beautiful parts of the city and see an almost endless stream of hot young talent, and most importantly, the nightlife is always exceptionally good fun.
Kiev clearly isn't what it was when I first went in 04/05, but I still get a rush when I'm walking through the Arrivals hall at Boryspil.
Getting laid there is just a great side benefit.
Climaxnow, essentially I'm in total agreement. But I guess it depends on where you're travelling from. If where you are has a crappy P2P scene, then who knows.It's worth it for me to travel Kiev from the states because a non pro scene exists there. Girls half my age that will show real interest in me is something that does not exist for me at home. I'm not a very experienced p4p monger, but clearly the girls perform better in the East than the West. It's like you say CP, it depends.
AColonizer
04-27-12, 17:36
Hi. Through this forum, I have found the following very interesting link:
http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=10544
And similar ones about penis, breast, etc.
This is a scientific way to P4P and it is important to deal in sex market.
Chill Bill
04-27-12, 18:34
Are any of you guys having problems with mamba? For the past few weeks, each time I go to look at a girls photo, it's all scrambled and you can see it. Not every profile, just some of them. It seems random. Sorry if this has been asked before, but does anyone know why?
In Kiev now but busy with work. But as soon I am done I will go out. Gilrs everywhere. It looks like that male population mostly gone.
It is spring time annd girls put on the best attire and a lot of them look so good. I am just so horny to see it I can't wait. I probably just will call profy.)
Two semi pros from Mamba messaged me asking if I could help them with rent money. They needed 1700 grn. They were offering to come over and have a party for 3 hours. I went and bought vodka wine and beers and we were talking for a while getting to know each other.
They were super cool. Anyway after having the best threesome in my life! BBBJ one really liked to suck cock and gave me the best BJ I have had in ages. I came in her mouth and the other one had the biggest tits.
The person from my hostel comes knocks at the door and tells me to stop smoking. Fuck.
I find an apartment and get the fuck out of there so to cut a long story short We are in the taxi I give them the money to pay for the rent. (Legit story). And they don't fucking come back. Fucking bitches. Anyway one of them left her jacket in the taxi. I know she is going to be spewing about that. All in all it was an awesome experience.Are you sure this happened? It's a fabrication isn't it?
CallSign Papa
04-28-12, 08:08
For the new club, a discreet take-out business is the likely scenario. After the sometimes harsh sex business spotlight of Euro-2012 is well off, then things may change.Uke Boy, do you think prices will normalize again a few months after the Euro's? Or is this goddamn tournament going to give the girls there an over-inflated sense of worth?
Uke Boy, do you think prices will normalize again a few months after the Euro's? Or is this goddamn tournament going to give the girls there an over-inflated sense of worth?I wish I knew the answer and I also wish I made better investments in stocks! There really is no telling.
My gut says that prices will drop since there will be less demand with far fewer visitors. However, this is Ukraine and normal rules don't always apply. It may take some time for prices to go down unless the guys who visit after Euro-2012 keep paying and keep supporting the higher price structure. That would ruin it for all of us.
We will see what shakes out by September.
Member #4491
04-28-12, 09:27
Will the salary of a teacher increase from the lousy (less than) 200 USD per month after Euro? No! So "prices" will only increase if buyers see some rational connection between a past football even and a higher price. It is only the buyers market if the buyers thinks so. The next Lehman brothers will have bigger impact on the future price (if there can even be said to be such an unified price) than this little football event. Ukraine are investing money they do not have in this hysteria, and there are indicators that only 500k visitors will show up. On a short term these tourists will not pay the bill even. It is argued that a large portion of the problem in Greece is related to the Olympiads. When you borrow money to build something you do not need or can afford, you are normally f*cked and need to unfold your pretty ass to get royally butt pounded for some pennies. This whole price discussion is related to the focus of a couple of clubs in one city. Look beyond, and see the whole picture. There are girls that will fuck you for free and there are some that wants a house and a ring to spread their legs, football psychosis or not.
My best advice for cost control, unless you need constant sex: get your f*ucking done in the day and save the nights for your buddies and some flirting.
B.
Me and You
04-28-12, 16:49
Two semi pros from Mamba messaged me asking if I could help them with rent money. .Icberg. These 2 girls were not Vika the pretty blondish with very big tits and her friend Vlada or something like that, brunette. Not that beauty but BBJ addicted. And cim. Cool girls?
some with eyeglassesOptical eyeglasses can be a fashion / style accessory and a magnet for girls (as a eye-catching fancy watch). Check the Dita Eyewear or Barton Perreira websites.
That said, I agree, many guys that have a bad taste in dressing style also have a bad taste in glasses.
but the Ukranians do not think so and this kind of popularity on mainstream TV is not good for us mongers:
Interesting comment within the article,"Crackdown: Ukraine announced last year that it would be cracking down on the thousands of prostitutes hoping to cash in on extra business from male fans during the tournament"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135052/Dutch-TV-advert-sparks-diplomatic-row-warns-women-men-home-Euro-2012.html
Icberg. These 2 girls were not Vika the pretty blondish with very big tits and her friend Vlada or something like that, brunette. Not that beauty but BBJ addicted. And cim. Cool girls?Cool girls? You kidding me! Little thieves if you give them the chance I think more like it. I don't label them this for the stunt they pulled on me, but close! Part way thru my long stay in Kiev, I took the nite- train To Lviv in early March with the main gf and she left to get back to work in Kiev the next day. Rented a falt for the week, and couple days later started chatting on Mamba to 2 girls from Kiev- Vika and Valda. Explaining I was in Lviv they were talking about same thing- WE ARE SHORT RENT BY 2300 GRN! After they send me some pics by email-Vika one pic is accurate and aweful pic of her but the other, wearing a bikini is total bogus! Her 6 years ago when she was 17 and hot? Who knows? Maybe? Horny as hell as not much happening in Lviv on a Monday, etc. I suggestd they take a train to Lviv and stay with me for a few days, have some fun and who I thought was Vika I was chatting with on line- was adament we would have fun and pleasure. They played the part well as showing concern for travelling all the way to Lviv by train with their own money to trust I would be there and complete our arrangement.
I did not think they would come, and thought if they were this crazy to do this travel then why not! Next morning they arrived and I met them. Vika. The blond speaks very little english, cute face, is a little shy because of this but isat25 pounds overweight with massive tits that need a 20# bra to hold them, wears a ball cap if it gets cold. Vlada is slimmer, not as cute as Vika, it was cold but she only wore a light jacket so was freezing constantly, wears skinny black jeans, and high heels, and was the chatty one I was chatting to online. We walked around the town as they had never been there, or so they say. Had lunch, drank some beer in my flat and when came time to crash I jumped in between them in my bed and fucked Vika. Not bad but a big girl, could not even get her bra off as she protects them and I did not care. A while later layed with her big but nice ass and pussy for a while and after Vika went to sleep, I rolled over and fondled Vlada for a while but then just crashed. It was ok to get sanwiched between them but hard to get any sleep.
The next day we tripped around town, came back to flat and when the opporunity presented itself- I grabbed Vlada and we moved to bed where I fucked her for a while, and yes, she gave me a pretty good BBBJ and half cim as it dripped around her lips which was good. A few hours late afternoon, after more sight seeing together in the snow, hit money mart as they were saying they must wire the grn to their landlord or eviction is emminet! There was a problem with wire as they asked me for 300 more grn, and I said nope! A few minutes later they sorted it out and we headed back to flat. After a couple beers I crawled into bed for what I planned to be another session with Vika. They were going in and out of back door entrance to have a smoke as Vika told me she would be back in a few minutes to cozy up. Well I waited, just relaxing in bed while they made there move to leave town like a couple od teenage runaways! Hahah ten minutes later I get up and they are gone, small bags and all. Smart enuf to not steal anything but after getting on netbook see they were on line checking train schedule.
I almost took a taxi to station to give them a hard time but decided against this as I was actually ok with them leaving because not impressed with their looks and I found them boring. That nite I met helenaat25 semi pro off mamba and she was hot. Liked her so much she spent the nite 2 days later and had great sex with her. Then met a girl fresh off the train, non pro and she crashed at my flat too.
Just so you know Vlada has a massive, disgusting black birth mark on her bottom leg and can't wear dresses. Obvoius these 2 bitches play this game and think it is ok! Wrong! I left messages by voice, SMS and mamba laughing and telling them I would see them in Kiev soon. Not threatening, but I am sure they were bothered by it. Stay away, but it was bizzare they would travel by day train and back forat16 hours, on their own dime to do play this game. Hell- I still had sex with them both anyway. Saved me buying them beer and food the next 2 days I figure. Hindsight I should have figured this out and fucked the hell out of them before handing them grn. Like I said, mistakes were made but alot of great choices too! Back to Kiev a few days later by train and roughest ride ever.
Joey, I have been to all the rooms there
Outside the VIP room its hard to find a good looking dancer to take home
Aussie Greg
04-29-12, 13:45
Guys,
There use to be a strip club out along the metro line past the Dniper river, two more stops and it was in the Intourist Hotel.
I used to always stay there when in Kiev but a long time ago.
Is the strip club still up and running ? regards.
A. G.
Me and You
04-29-12, 14:20
Cool girls? You kidding me! .I took them just for 2-3 hours for 150 $ and it was fune for me. I was kissing kissing Vika and playing with her big tits for a long time while Vlada was sucking and sucking without stopping. And I was putting my face between her huge tits and I tit fucked her. Then I fucked both and DATY both and CIM vlada. So it was fun for me. Then I kicked them out for next girls.
I never took an overnight p4p girl o 2 girls that I don't know well. Vika and Vlada suggested to stay all night for 150 $ but I refused. I asked them to come at day time.
For p4p I prefer short time. For freebies or semi pros that I know well I can stay night or few hours. But not more. I don't like1 day or 2-3 days with one girl. I prefer to taste more girls as I can.
I wish I knew the answer and I also wish I made better investments in stocks! There really is no telling.
My gut says that prices will drop since there will be less demand with far fewer visitors. However, this is Ukraine and normal rules don't always apply. It may take some time for prices to go down unless the guys who visit after Euro-2012 keep paying and keep supporting the higher price structure. That would ruin it for all of us.
We will see what shakes out by September.I agree with Uke Boys gut here.
I 1st visited Ukraine for the Eurovision and couldn't get an apartment so stayed in Odessa but flew up for the night. Ended up getting somewhere in Kiev for the Saturday night as it seems landlords had held back apartments hoping for inflated prices only to discover the visitors coming weren't as high as expected.
Same thing happening this time, half the English tickets haven't been sold and there are reports of people staying away due to high prices. Many football fans make cheaper alternative arrangements when these competitions happen doing a Ryanair approach to accomodation. Staying "Near Kiev" for example and just entering Kiev for the match.
There will be more tourists than usual but not as high as feared I think.
I just wrote you before I have been to all the fucking rooms
Joey, I dont have time to read your long posts, too much bullshit
Joey, I dont have time to read your long posts, too much bullshitDitto! Do I ever second this comment!
LJ, even with your latest boring and completely useless magnum opus, you lost your audience after the first sentence. You really have severe diarrhea of the keyboard.
If you want to convince people of the rightness of your position, try doing it in a simple and short way.
However, I think the gentleman doth protest too much. You overrate the girls you meet and over-hype a joint that is basically the lazy man's option to Kiev.
I just wrote you before I have been to all the fucking rooms.
Joey, I don't have time to read your long posts, too much bullshitSo then, since you don't have time, or logic it seems, let this conclude our communications. Good luck to you.
I took them just for 2-3 hours for 150 $ and it was fune for me. I was kissing kissing Vika and playing with her big tits for a long time while Vlada was sucking and sucking without stopping. And I was putting my face between her huge tits and I tit fucked her. Then I fucked both and DATY both and CIM vlada. So it was fun for me. Then I kicked them out for next girls.
I never took an overnight p4p girl o 2 girls that I don't know well. Vika and Vlada suggested to stay all night for 150 $ but I refused. I asked them to come at day time.
For p4p I prefer short time. For freebies or semi pros that I know well I can stay night or few hours. But not more. I don't like1 day or 2-3 days with one girl. I prefer to taste more girls as I can.Ya I agree, while I was in Kiev I wouldn't have even let them in the door perhaps, unless a discount deal, but for them to travel so far to Lviv I thought- what the hell! And on a boring Monday nite. Lviv is not 2 lively early week in the middle of winter. Hardly any girls on Mamba there too. I made sure all my important stuff, cash was securely hidden, and close to the bed like I always do and never had a problem there or entire stay in Kiev. Hope you guys relize they are pigs and so much better talent to play with.
AColonizer
04-30-12, 12:15
An important rule of the perfect *****monger:
Female genitals and asshole licking are always inluced in the price.
Female [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) is always included in the price.
Hello,
I go for the first time to Kiev 20 July. Anyone who wants to meet and go out together? I'm Norwegian and 35 years.
Member #4243
04-30-12, 21:30
Which took me about 5 minutes to reach are 1) many thanks to little joey for explaining in great detail the difference between the fkk and Kiev experience 2) all power to you and being in my thirties I hope to continue to enjoy the beautiful girls of this world well into my eighties should I still be around and 3) finally many thanks to LJ for explaining to me in depth ALL of the opportunities available in Kiev without which I doubt I would have had the courage to put Kiev on my to do list. And also please bear in mind I give no 2 cahoots about being in any individuals good or bad books.
Iceberg7811
05-01-12, 00:04
Be very careful With those girls make sure you use a condom and in fact don't even touch them. They seem to get their kicks of ripping people off.
Vlada kept complaining about having a fever and saying that she gets a high fever depending on her mood, Fuck I reckon its HIV.
Guys,
There use to be a strip club out along the metro line past the Dniper river, two more stops and it was in the Intourist Hotel.
I used to always stay there when in Kiev but a long time ago.
Is the strip club still up and running? Regards.
A. G.Took the metro on St Pattys day to party at irish bar next to Tourist hotel and was with a buddy who many years ago hung out there. Told me of many changes to area as he did hang out at the strip club there but it is closed now. Also said Irish Bar had undergone a big renovation also.
Delta Indigo
05-01-12, 08:58
I know I have no right weighing in here, but from time to time I really do like to read the Kiev forum, though I live and work in Prague and often monger in Warsaw as some of you may know.
SlavophileMaybe this is the wrong forum and for that I already apologise. But I am dying to ask you something, I have been to both Warsaw and Prague many many times, where do you think the girls in general are more beautiful, slavophile?
AColonizer
05-01-12, 10:31
I don't understand. Now are they not OK? If they have got any STD, then you have suggested them to take a dose of Augmentin?
Be very careful With those girls make sure you use a condom and in fact don't even touch them. They seem to get their kicks of ripping people off.
Vlada kept complaining about having a fever and saying that she gets a high fever depending on her mood, Fuck I reckon its HIV.
Slavophile
05-01-12, 10:46
You know Delta Indigo, it really depends what you fancy. In my opinion and experience, Czech girls are a bit more exhibitionist. They are more culturally ambivalent towards religion and religious institutions. When you think about it Czechs are Bohemians and has been a region which for centuries been synonymous with alternative thinking, lifestyle and artists, etc. This is where the term comes from when someone calls themselves a Bohemian when describing their lifestyle or way of thinking.
Polish girls and Poland in general are more intrinsically Catholic, uphold and protect religious institutions and in my opinion this manifests itself consciously and subconsciously sometimes in sexual attitudes and free thinkers it's that pervasive.
There is something though that attracts me to Polish girls because of this fact that they're a little more standoffish and harder to get. The thrill of the chase and challenge excites me.
I think that Czech girls and their beauty are more known due to the plethora of Czech runway models in the media.
I think Polish girls and their beauty are less celebrated than their Czech cousins.
As for giving you a beauty rating which is better Czech vs Polish, as my name states, I am a Slavophile and therefore I do not chose nation-states. I worship at at the alter of any and all Slavic women regardless of their nation.
Slavic women are the truth and the only reason why I think I believe in a Supreme Being.
Something Divine had to make something or someone else that divine to look at.
God Bless the Slavs and their women. Remember if it ain't Slavic I don't want it.
Slavophile.
Maybe this is the wrong forum and for that I already apologise. But I am dying to ask you something, I have been to both Warsaw and Prague many many times, where do you think the girls in general are more beautiful, slavophile?
Member #4491
05-01-12, 12:13
An important rule of the perfect *monger:
Female genitals and asshole licking are always inluced in the price.
Female [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) is always included in the price.I am with our eccentric friend on this one. I licked all the girls I had in Ukraine. Both in the vagina and a little tickle in the ass now and then. Don't ask, just DO!
The pissing they did in private, but at least they did not charge me for it. LOL.
Where the f*ck is my report on the impacts of major sporting events? It took me several minutes to write that one, and it is factual as opposed to the opinions and speculations I mostly see here.
Barba
Hello,
I am a frequent visitor to Kiev and I do admire the beauty of the girls here.
The girls are very sexual indeed but are also very very romantic if you get to know them closer.
I try to make my relationships for every girl as long as my stay in the city, no more 3 hours visits, or even overnight stay. I try to keep a relationship for 3-4 days, difficult but achievable.
Had anyone tried this website? www.kievprivateguides.com
Maybe not for sex, but is it fun?
Delta Indigo
05-01-12, 18:08
Slavic women are the truth and the only reason why I think I believe in a Supreme Being.
Something Divine had to make something or someone else that divine to look at.
God Bless the Slavs and their women. Remember if it ain't Slavic I don't want it.
Slavophile.I agree. I lived in Sweden for a few years and I find Slavic women to be the most beautiful of all women. In fact the only East European women that I don't find attractive are non Slavic, Hungarians. Hungarians might look good compared with West Europeans, but the are not attractive compared to slavs.
However this is one definite non slavic exception to the rule, I find Romanian women to be absolutely gorgeous.
Member #4274
05-01-12, 18:46
I agree. I lived in Sweden for a few years and I find Slavic women to be the most beautiful of all women. In fact the only East European women that I don't find attractive are non Slavic, Hungarians. Hungarians might look good compared with West Europeans, but the are not attractive compared to slavs.
However this is one definite non slavic exception to the rule, I find Romanian women to be absolutely gorgeous.I lived in Budapest for one year as an English teacher and have returned muliple times since. I find Hunagrian women attractive; I had a number of students who were real Hungarian beauties. However, I am reminded of something a very sexy Russian woman I met in Budapest said to me one sunny, fall afternoon in 2009 as we were walking out of Kalifornia Coffee Company on Terez Korut. Her name was Maria and she was from Moscow.
"Do you find these women attractive?" She asked me, nodding towards a number of olive-skinned Hungarian women approaching.
"Sure I do" I said.
"Really?"
"Maria, would I lie to you? Now lets go for lunch" I smiled.
"Well, you should come to Russia. We have much prettier girls there"
"I believe anything you tell me"
"Good!" She said in her thick Russian accent.
"Can I see you naked later?"
"What?"
"Oh, nothing. I was just thinking out loud."
Since then I have traveled to Kiev and Minsk and in truth I prefer Slavic women.
Ronaldinjo
05-01-12, 22:03
I lived in Budapest for one year as an English teacher and have returned muliple times since. I find Hunagrian women attractive; I had a number of students who were real Hungarian beauties. However, I am reminded of something a very sexy Russian woman I met in Budapest said to me one sunny, fall afternoon in 2009 as we were walking out of Kalifornia Coffee Company on Terez Korut. Her name was Maria and she was from Moscow.
"Do you find these women attractive?" She asked me, nodding towards a number of olive-skinned Hungarian women approaching.
"Sure I do" I said.
"Really?"
"Maria, would I lie to you? Now lets go for lunch" I smiled.
"Well, you should come to Russia. We have much prettier girls there"
"I believe anything you tell me"
"Good!" She said in her thick Russian accent.
"Can I see you naked later?"
"What?"
"Oh, nothing. I was just thinking out loud."
Since then I have traveled to Kiev and Minsk and in truth I prefer Slavic women.In my opinion ukrainian women are the most beautiful in europe facially, followed by Russian and bellorussian chicks. Sweddish, norvegian, baltic (half scandinavian half slavic) , Czech (half slavic half german) , slovakian, Polish and maybe Romanian women are next on the list. Hungarian, bulgarian and former jugoslav republic chicks are the next. Uglyest chicks-britain and germany with belgium and maybe holland with austria takes it all (I mean ethnic nationalities, not migrants from eastern europe).
In my opinion ukrainian women are the most beautiful in europe facially, followed by Russian and bellorussian chicks. Sweddish, norvegian, baltic (half scandinavian half slavic) , Czech (half slavic half german) , slovakian, Polish and maybe Romanian women are next on the list. Hungarian, bulgarian and former jugoslav republic chicks are the next. Uglyest chicks-britain and germany with belgium and maybe holland with austria takes it all (I mean ethnic nationalities, not migrants from eastern europe).A huge generalisation. And discounts personality and temperament considerations. My own global experience is that affection and engagement from a slightly less stunning girl outweighs a marginal physical attractiveness. The sexiest thing surely is to feel desired and wanted sexually and some nationalities seem more trusting and ready to lose themselves with you. I found the Ukrainians ready to engage and attitudes to sex more open than say English. It just isn't a problem or such a big thing. English are hugely complicated with competitive, aquisitive, security requirements and mercenary undertones. Chinese relationships strongly influenced by contractual financial considerations just below the surface, Thai relationships as a sort of trading arrangement attitude although thais can be full of fun. I like the Hungarian dark gipsy look to, and have found them oozing readiness sexually. The Brazilians I have researched just love sex. It makes them happy. Poles. I like the 'up for it' feeling you get. Indians, needy but somehow not on the same wavelengths, German. I had a good experience there, full of deep feelings if you can get at them. My experiments to identify and map out the national erotic characteristics of European women continue.
In my opinion ukrainian women are the most beautiful in europe facially, followed by Russian and bellorussian chicks. Sweddish, norvegian, baltic (half scandinavian half slavic) , Czech (half slavic half german) , slovakian, Polish and maybe Romanian women are next on the list. Hungarian, bulgarian and former jugoslav republic chicks are the next. Uglyest chicks-britain and germany with belgium and maybe holland with austria takes it all (I mean ethnic nationalities, not migrants from eastern europe).A huge generalisation. And discounts personality and temperament considerations. My own global experience is that affection and engagement from a slightly less stunning girl outweighs a marginal physical attractiveness. The sexiest thing surely is to feel desired and wanted sexually and some nationalities seem more trusting and ready to lose themselves with you. I found the Ukrainians ready to engage and attitudes to sex more open than say English. It just isn't a problem or such a big thing. English are hugely complicated with competitive, aquisitive, security requirements and mercenary undertones. Chinese relationships strongly influenced by contractual financial considerations just below the surface, Thai relationships as a sort of trading arrangement attitude although thais can be full of fun. I like the Hungarian dark gipsy look to, and have found them oozing readiness sexually. The Brazilians I have researched just love sex. It makes them happy. Poles. I like the 'up for it' feeling you get. Indians, needy but somehow not on the same wavelengths, German. I had a good experience there, full of deep feelings if you can get at them. My experiments to identify and map out the national erotic characteristics of European women continue.
Member #4491
05-03-12, 23:28
I find the women just 2 km north of Donetsk to be the absolutely most beautiful in the whole universe.
Barba
El Cubanito
05-04-12, 03:32
Hi folks,
I will be in the Ukraine from May 28 to June 5. I have plans that looks as follows:
May 28. Kiev.
May 29. Kiev.
May 30. Kiev.
June 1. Leave for Odessa.
June 2. Odessa.
June 3. Odessa.
June 4. Leave for Kiev.
June 5 back to the United States.
Anybody have thoughts is this to short for any city. I also do NOT speak Russian or Ukraine, how much problem and how much will I get rip off. I am planning in staying in a hotel in Kiev and Apartments in Odessa. Will I get any girls or should I plan and meet somebody from the net.
Please give me suggestions.
El Cubanito.
PS I also looked latino will that be a problem in Ukraine
Hi folks,
I will be in the Ukraine from May 28 to June 5. I have plans that looks as follows:
May 28. Kiev.
May 29. Kiev.
May 30. Kiev.EC, I do not mean to disappoint but Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday are not exactly the best days of the week in Kiev. You are going to miss all the beautiful girls in the night clubs, especially D'Lux. Your only real options are basically what's online (Mamba, Top Models, etc.) or maybe some strip clubs with takeout. Forget the streets without any Russian fluency. I would not worry about your looks as long as you dress well and behave like a dissent human being.
Good luck and please report back your experiences.
El Cubanito,
Its cheaper to rent an apartment in Kiev.
If I were you I would stay in Kiev for maybe 4-5 days then I would go to odessa (by plane it takes 1 hour) for 3 days and then I would return to the us (from odessa)
In odessa the airport is only about 20 minutes from the center(Deribosovskaya/Ekaterina)
AColonizer
05-04-12, 07:38
Yes, you are right. We have always to remind men which services are included in a basic sex. And always to remind which prices are honest. I read too many times about men are not allowed to have DATY and, even, less pissing with prostitutes, also paying those absurd prices. I wonder, if a man can have DATY, or CIM, or swallow, or even pissing with a regular girl, then why can't he have the same in a P4P?
I am with our eccentric friend on this one. I licked all the girls I had in Ukraine. Both in the vagina and a little tickle in the ass now and then. Don't ask, just DO!
The pissing they did in private, but at least they did not charge me for it. LOL.
Where the f*ck is my report on the impacts of major sporting events? It took me several minutes to write that one, and it is factual as opposed to the opinions and speculations I mostly see here.
Barba
Yes, you are right. We have always to remind men which services are included in a basic sex. And always to remind which prices are honest. I read too many times about men are not allowed to have DATY and, even, less pissing with prostitutes, also paying those absurd prices. I wonder, if a man can have DATY, or CIM, or swallow, or even pissing with a regular girl, then why can't he have the same in a P4P?While in theory the idea of "don't ask just do" sounds good, in practice it's not so easy. Many pros are very knowledgable about disease transmission risks, and they understandably don't want to do DATY or BBBJ, or at least not without a price premium. Better to ask if it's on the menu, or a girl might turn out not to be what you expect.
while in theory the idea of "don't ask just do" sounds good, in practice it's not so easy. many pros are very knowledgable about disease transmission risks, and they understandably don't want to do daty or bbbj, or at least not without a price premium. better to ask if it's on the menu, or a girl might turn out not to be what you expect.actually, the theory of "don't ask just do" applies to girlfriends and not so much with providers. there is so much truth to this idea that if a man does not apply it on occasion, his slavic girl will be unhappy. please let me give you some example. once i establish chemistry between myself and a girl i am courting, i never do the standard kiss on the couch and work my way up to the deed. rather, i get the girls a little bit drunk before i go to my place, and once i enter the door of my apartment, i immediately mount my girl from behind like an animal. another good one is when you are driving home from a night club and you, out of no where, immediately pull over and just start f* her like a ****. always remember to involve a bit of alcohol for these fantastic moments. this does not mean getting the girl drunk and [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) her.
El Cubanito
05-04-12, 20:49
EC, I do not mean to disappoint but Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday are not exactly the best days of the week in Kiev. You are going to miss all the beautiful girls in the night clubs, especially D'Lux. Your only real options are basically what's online (Mamba, Top Models, etc.) or maybe some strip clubs with takeout. Forget the streets without any Russian fluency. I would not worry about your looks as long as you dress well and behave like a dissent human being.
Good luck and please report back your experiences.Climax, thank you for the info. This is the 1st time for me to this part of the world. I have been to other spots, but this is the 1st in Ukraine. I am very worry about not being able to speak, since where ever I went I ussually could speak with the locals. I will write a report of my adventues when I come back. I am schedule to meet somebody in Kiev that I met on the net from the various agency that give these girls info. Hopefully it will work itself out. I am not keeping my fingers cross that something will happen.
Thanks for the help.
El Cubanito
El Cubanito
05-04-12, 22:47
El Cubanito,
Its cheaper to rent an apartment in Kiev.
If I were you I would stay in Kiev for maybe 4-5 days then I would go to odessa (by plane it takes 1 hour) for 3 days and then I would return to the us (from odessa)
In odessa the airport is only about 20 minutes from the center (Deribosovskaya / Ekaterina) Thank you for the heads up and the advice.
Member #4491
05-04-12, 23:23
Actually, the theory of "don't ask just do" applies to girlfriends and not so much with providers.I do not agree. I licked the hard core pros in their little vagina until they either faked and orgasm or got one for real. And after the fake orgasms the hoes wanted me to stop, so I continued and sucked their clitoris. Some girls just refuse to feel anything, and these are fun to work with. You must get into their heads. Like the reaction when the girl does not want to kiss you, but her mind tells her that "oh I better kiss this one". Not because she is afraid. Force ans scare mongering is for suckers. But because her prostituted mind tels her that is the right thing to do. There is something in that slutty conclusion that turns me on. Domination. It is a matter of ability to lead women, not how they define themselves or your current relation. Anyone who ASKS his girlfriend about licking her, needs some serious guidance in my opinion. Lead women from the first minute with a mixture of hope, honesty, self distance, attention and light male bullying with a smile, and just dive down there whenever you feel like it. I was stupid with one working girl and got this idea I wanted to cum in her pussy, and during the third hour in bed I was very close to fucking her without a condom. She said no, but her body said yes, and repeatedly her legs would spread and let me in a bit, only to have the rational working mind kick in and say no again. I licked her pussy and massaged her vagina until she was all misty in her eyes. Way beyond her fake orgasm bullshit.
For my "girlfriend "that I spent some time chatting with, I never used condom. She said I should have it every time, still I fired all my loads deep in her. She wanted it as well. These Slavic girl are quite submissive if you do not let them fuck you instead. I am far from an expert on this region but as I wrote before I think it is a matter of "different name, same game". We all can feel it when we fuck up the magic. Me and 007 did it in Vodka bar, and the principles is the same every time. You let go. We men are getting the NO even before we ask something, normally. And we know it, don't we? So better not ask, ever. Maybe if I ever take girls from these super expensive strip clubs I will hit the Berlin wall, but so far the girls in Ukraine where just like other girls, just with an act of being a bit more hard headed. At the end of the day they know their place. Remember that women can feel how you feel, much better than you can feel how she feels. They are experts at picking up your feelings or your mental state. If I am in doubt, the girls treat me like a looser. If I am in balance, I lead. Think about that next time you are with a woman. Do not try to qualify but be honest in your responses and about your person. And be a happy man because happy men have all the fun, while the deserving men gets the leftovers. I wish I was this complete all the time, but it is way easier to write pickup observations here than to practice it in reality.
B.
AColonizer
05-04-12, 23:58
This is one of the first rule in the sex market. Everybody, who deals in the sex market, knows it: if a woman doesn't want to get a disease, then she never works as a prostitute, if a man doesn't want to get a disease, then he never touchs a prostitute. There are no different ways in the middle.
And see also the other part of the problem. If I, man, give you an amount of money coming from my bloody work, then why should you, woman, catch my bloody money with no good work?
I understand this a marginal difference for the Anglo-Saxon background for which everything is right when there is a mere agreement regardless of the content of the agreement. Pragmatically, stealing candies to a baby is right when the baby doesn't (or can't) claim.
Instead it is important to realize when a price is honest and when a service is honest, otherwise all the rest is the law of the jungle, and everything (morality, ethics, religion, education, etc.) loses its meaning.
Pragmatically,"don't ask, just do that" is a good solution: both of us naked on the bed, she is doggy and I put my penis into her asshole, she doesn't want? Try again, she runs away? Say "no work no money", she refuses? Kick her out with no taxi fare because she doesn't want to work correctly. There is just one way to work as a prostitute, and ALL prostitutes know that!
While in theory the idea of "don't ask just do" sounds good, in practice it's not so easy. Many pros are very knowledgable about disease transmission risks, and they understandably don't want to do DATY or BBBJ, or at least not without a price premium. Better to ask if it's on the menu, or a girl might turn out not to be what you expect.
Many thanks for your review Poker Player 2. There is so much irrelevant tiresome rubbish here. But this is the kind of informative on the spot stuff thatis really useful. (you may like to read my own day by day visit experience) I was fascinated by your success with the massages. I have similarly attempted to get further with girls from Dolly and Rakuena but with no success. It would be great to get a clue as to which you use yourself. 'TheKnight' similarly is turned on by the massage service and made some small progress, but generally its impenetrable. What's your secret.
Pragmatically,"don't ask, just do that" is a good solution: both of us naked on the bed, she is doggy and I put my penis into her asshole, she doesn't want? Try again, she runs away? Say "no work no money", she refuses? Kick her out with no taxi fare because she doesn't want to work correctly. There is just one way to work as a prostitute, and ALL prostitutes know that!This does not work for me with prostitutes. I neither like to receive or give tension with strangers."Don't ask, just do" apparently has different meanings to different members. To me, it is basically that fine line of a girl telling you no when she means yes. There is no sex that is more erotic than when you can break down a strong willed dev to a submissive weakling.
sorry friend i don't believe a word your saying, i'm not having ittook a look at your previous posts and see almost half deleted by admin for various reasons. a recent post about mamba trash- vika and vlada by another member here you also ask a stupid question- "is this a fabriction?". jesus man, read his post when you are not on meds and then respond. he clearly states he met these coniving bitches, heard their speech, fucked them, paid them then as soon as possible they ran as they always do. that's there mo! as far as you not believing anything from my first post i am assuming it is because you have not had any game or remotely had the variety of success and fun i encountered while in kiev. remember i was there 9 weeks and i am a pretty organized and horny bastard so motivation was not needed. bottom line, try not be be so narrow minded if you read a post which is so far from your experiences you can't believe it, maybe you will learn something, or ask a question in a friendly manner?
AColonizer
05-06-12, 12:59
I am talking you as a friend. Please, not to misinterpret that.
Yes, you are right. But what is that behaviour? That is the notorius fierce sexist game: a female wants to change a male's mind into her own convenience only, and she uses any types of feeling tactics to obtain her own advantage only. And that behaviour explains everything that is wrong in a relationship between females and males, and between any categories of females and any categories of males, socalled wife and husband, socalled prostitute and customer, socalled woman and man.
In this specific case, when you feel a tension between you and a prostitute (freebie or professional) , this happens because the prostitute has recognized a gentleman in you, and she is forcing you into a stressful situation. The problem is not in you and in your natural requests, the problem is in the prostitute who wants a lot of money with no real work. This is the key of interpretation of the world. And remind, money is a form of the blood used in a work.
The only way to avoid that stressful situation with prostitutes is to avoid all prostitutes.
Do you want less tension with a submissive girl? Then you should have a relationship with regular girls, they are not often models or nice, but they can be very submissive. It has happenned also to me!
However, a lot of men have the same stressful situation with their fiancees or wives, but that happens because those females are prostitutes disguised as fiancees and wives, who are allowed to sucking the blood from their males through an imposition of the law. For this reason most husbands attend prostitutes and they have esteem of prostitutes much more than their wives. Isn't that ridicolous?
This does not work for me with prostitutes. I neither like to receive or give tension with strangers."Don't ask, just do" apparently has different meanings to different members. To me, it is basically that fine line of a girl telling you no when she means yes. There is no sex that is more erotic than when you can break down a strong willed dev to a submissive weakling.
I don't have a problem paying 300 dollar for a girl. Having an intersting coversation with the diev, and she is theling me about these salary in Kiev:
A doctor-150-300 euro.
Nurse-120-150.
Teacher at the uni-200-300.
Accountant-250-350.
Lawyer-about 300-1000.
Programmist-300-700.
So it ends up we pay a month salary to dievs for few hour sex. Its just crazy)
If they get paid.
Many times their monthly salaries are delayed, many of them have to work so many hours (not just 40) for these salaries, and don't forget that is in Kiev, in other cities the salaries are lower.
I don't have a problem paying 300 dollar for a girl. Having an intersting coversation with the diev, and she is theling me about these salary in Kiev:
A doctor-150-300 euro.
Nurse-120-150.
Teacher at the uni-200-300.
Accountant-250-350.
Lawyer-about 300-1000.
Programmist-300-700.
So it ends up we pay a month salary to dievs for few hour sex. Its just crazy)
Member #4491
05-06-12, 18:09
So it ends up we pay a month salary to dievs for few hour sex. Its just crazy)Let us all stop that right now. It is absurd. 300 USD for sex in Ukraine is not an OK price. I think 40-50 USD per hour is more reasonable, with an upper limit of 100-120 USD and perhaps some taxi money. The girls will not like us anyway, even if we pay 3000 so no use in trying to impress them by paying stupid amounts.
Barba
Slavophile
05-06-12, 19:13
I completely agree with the majority of the below statements regarding prices. If you look at the average wage in Ukraine and then the asking price some of our brother mongers are willing to pay, it just seems a tad ridiculous to me.
The problem is Ukrainians know the value of one of its major natural resources, their women. They possess a commodity which is high in demand.
For that matter, I would love to hear the stories of my more mature mongering brothers hey day during the "Golden era" of FSU poon hounding.
It must have been glorious. Unfortunately, this is our new reality we all must deal with. I think if more punters went the independent route then there could be a dip in prices at clubs, but it would take the majority of punters being in lock step in order to achieve this.
Let's face it lads, when it comes to men and pussy the little head often is in charge of the big head.
Garnering monger support for such an endeavor would disappear quicker than a fart in the wind.
God bless the Slavs and their women.
Slavophile.
Let us all stop that right now. It is absurd. 300 USD for sex in Ukraine is not an OK price. I think 40-50 USD per hour is more reasonable, with an upper limit of 100-120 USD and perhaps some taxi money. The girls will not like us anyway, even if we pay 3000 so no use in trying to impress them by paying stupid amounts.
Barba
Let us all stop that right now. It is absurd. 300 USD for sex in Ukraine is not an OK price. I think 40-50 USD per hour is more reasonable, with an upper limit of 100-120 USD and perhaps some taxi money. The girls will not like us anyway, even if we pay 3000 so no use in trying to impress them by paying stupid amounts.
BarbaI might be wrong, but reading this forum it dose look like most forengers pay this price in Kiev. Even ukraine are in the middle of crysis.
And I completley agree paying the same price for escort in Kiev like in Milan or London is insane.
I might be wrong, but reading this forum it dose look like most forengers pay this price in Kiev. Even ukraine are in the middle of crysis.
And I completley agree paying the same price for escort in Kiev like in Milan or London is insane.The $300 mantra was one constantly and ruthlessly pounded into the heads of readers by someone who was pushing unsuspecting readers to his third rate strip club establishment. Those are not the real prices here for girls from other sources such as top models, mamba and other sites.
$300 for an overnight with BBBJ, DATY and whatever else you can get is OK. $300 for perhaps 3 hours with no BBBJ and no DATY from the strip club is a huge rip off.
Be careful of what you read and do think for yourself. If someone is incessantly promoting one club or one venue or one site, then you have to consider that they work for that establishment. Then, run as far as you can away from that place since that business is nothing but a rip-off. This is especially true in Kiev. There are so may other possibilities and they all cost much less and are all significantly more cost-effective.
Member #4274
05-06-12, 21:38
As someone who has lived in Budapest, Hungary and traveled to Tallinn, Kiev and Minsk I can honestly say walking around Kiev or any Eastern European city without your passport is not only hazardous but unwise. However, I understand there are those with equal if not more experience in Kiev and Eastern Europe than I have who don't practice keeping their passport with them at all times. I actually met an American guy at River Palace two years ago who told me he never carried his passport with him. He had lived in Kiev for six years and learned to speak some Russian before moving back to Michigan. He related a story of how he was stopped by police and asked for his passport. When he couldn't produce it he simply gave the cop 100 or 200 UAH and he let him go.
Personally I don't think its worth the risk of being arrested, especially since the authorities are cracking down on everything in Kiev, or so I have read. I mean, can you imagine how unpleseant a Ukraine jail would be?
As for bringing a chick to your flat, take a taxi. The taxi can drop you off at the front door of your flat and that keeps the police from noticing you on the street. Failing that, be careful not to speak english too loudly when the police are around. Really, you have to be awfully unlucky or completely clueless to get nabbed by the cops bringing a chick to your flat, in my opinion, anyway.
As someone who has lived in Budapest, Hungary and traveled to Tallinn, Kiev and Minsk I can honestly say walking around Kiev or any Eastern European city without your passport is not only hazardous but unwise.+1. Cops in Ukraine or Moldova are very much a pain in the ass. That said, oddly enough, in Uzbekistan which is a politically repressive police state with cops literally everywhere, I have never ever been controlled for passport (and in fact never had it with me). Tashkent is in this respect much more relaxed than Kiev or Chisinau.
Global Surfer
05-07-12, 01:49
I might be wrong, but reading this forum it dose look like most forengers pay this price in Kiev. Even ukraine are in the middle of crysis.
And I completley agree paying the same price for escort in Kiev like in Milan or London is insane.Avoid top tourist attractions like Budha bar, D Lux and some web sites.
Rely on local joints, Mamba and even the Street (you have to be very luck to pick up from street).
It require more hard work but definitely cheaper.
I know a few who ask USD 300 in Budha bar and USD 100 on Mamba.
Good luck
PedroToronja
05-07-12, 04:14
I visited Kiev many times over the past 5 years. On 3 different occasions a cop asked me for I'd and I always showed is my drivers license, as I normally carry that in my wallet. The conversation with the cops never took more than 3 minutes and that was it. I walked alone in the streets of Kiev (in the center) at all hours, never had a problem either.
GIA girls are real, but very heavy photoshoped. I sent most of them home.
Most girls in Top-Modals are fake pics. I will try my luck again when I return next week. Some that have comments from clients appear to be more 'real'. Today I saw the pics and description of Majya, Bella, Rita, Eva, Daisy, Nelja, Lera and Alinochka (that is how their names appear when Google translates the pages). If you have any experience with them, please let me know.
True all I read here about Buddah Bar. The escorts at the bar have a horrible attitude and they certainly look very expensive. Maybe if you can stay up till 4 AM and they did not get a client, the prices are lower. By then, my stamina is gone.
River Palace was paradise, but they towed the boat away. For what I read here, and from my walking around Kyiv, there is not quite a replacement. There were pros there, but also some newbies and semi-pros, civilians trying to make a buck. I miss it very much!
No, Schucker69, you are quite wrong and have posted information that will cause harm to others. I wrote about the problems sometimes that is encountered when entering one's apartment with girls and that one can be confronted by police. This is stated from reading the thread, which you have not sufficiently done, as well as from personal experience, as I was stopped one time personally.
Now it doesn't mean that a monger bringing a girl to his apartment will ALWAYS be stopped. This is where having a brain is useful as you read posts about problems had with law enforcement by other mongers. Many times you will be lucky and your apartment will not be in an area frequented by LE on foot. Most of the times I have visited Kiev over the past few years, I have had no problem and wasn't stopped by police. It happened to me once, when my apartment was just off the Maidan, an area more likely to have an LE presence. I too am concerned about losing my passport if I take it along in my pocket. But having read of the problems others had and the shake down that occurs if you are stopped and don't have your actual passport with you, I decided that I didn't want to be taken down to a precinct or spend any time in custody of Ukrainian police, so I decided to carry my passport was a better option.
The advice about making sure the girls have I'd is also derived from personal experience, as because one of the two girls I had with me on the night I was stopped just entering my apartment did not have her I'd, and as a result the police would not let her alone, until I paid them off.
Perhaps you are one of those souls that doesn't mind doing things the hard way or learning things the hard way, and you would like to take your chances with the ukrainian police and would not mind wasting an entire evening on dealing with their bullshit. The advice I gave was for those who wish to extricate themselves as quickly and easily as possible from the clutches of a corrupt law enforcement situation where the opportunity to shake down foreigners is commonly taken. A few simple precautions for those who would be wary are certainly in order.
LJLJ- Doing things the hard way? Haha- wish I could honestly say "never" but not true- as I did have 1/2 hour of "corrupt cop hell". Wrong place, wrong time BS but not in the street or my flat, but the flat of a dumb ass fellow traveller's I had met the day before and 2 Kiev non pro girls. Too bad for me because I was enticed by younger one. Who said she was 21 in small english- was so hot, and with a killer smile and big tits! I was proactive in that I previously hand wrote a page from my consulates website- with details if you are detained or harrassed, business hours number, emergency after hour numbers, and had them in my jacket and phone. Long story and avoided jail. Not so bad considering I can countat40 girls who came to my flats over the 10 week time in Kiev and Lviv.
Now to address an issue similar to above but where I am in control and did not encounter a moment of BS like this! $
LJ- I did suggest about being careful walking the streets at nite? In my 9 weeks in Kiev I rented 3 different flats a block off city centre until I found my 4th flat, a gem for a good price, then stayed there 6 more weeks. I always carried my passport in my jacket, and cash in front pockets. Lots of small bills in left front for taxis, drinks, coffee, etc. And large bills in right front pocket. Why? Because not matter how loaded I got I always knew where the big bills were and therefore was never pulling out wads of big / small bills to pay for anything. Very easy to reach in and pull out 200 Grn in a moment and leave the other 12x 200 Grn in my pocket unseen. Does this seems like a guy who wants to mess with corrupt cops in Kiev? Not for a second! I practiced this also in theat3 months in Europe leading up to my extended stay in Ukraine and it worked great. Yes, keep quiet to not speak english specially at nite, (my lady friends reminded me of this many times) From my time there-at9 girls my buddy and me had over to our first flat, (had a small party which involved a few reg girls drinking and dancing like crazy, and 2 semi pros later week) and then my buddy ran out of town after 9 days, and in the next 8 weeks the otherat25 women from mamba, friends, badoos, street, etc. Who came to my flat in various ways- with me on foot, solo, by taxi with / without me, etc. Never once did I see a reason to be concerned about the low life cops. Like I said- never saw them, and if I did.so what?. Here's my passport, goodbye. I'd, etc. So unless you are a total fool, have extremely bad luck, or a large "L" on your forehead, your "few simple precautions is fine, but the crap about the the girls having I'd, knowing their real name, etc. Could and will just creating paranoia among some newbies to Kiev. Just use common sense, be smart, be wary of whoyou hang with like above, be aware of your surroundings and enjoy filling holes! Fuxk I miss Kiev! It's like the wild, wild, west but with sexy babes everywhere!
LJ- Doing things the hard way? Haha- wish I could honestly say "never" but not true- as I did have 1/2 hour of "corrupt cop hell". Wrong place, wrong time BS but not in the street or my flat, but the flat of a dumb ass fellow traveller's I had met the day before and 2 Kiev non pro girls. Too bad for me because I was enticed by younger one. Who said she was 21 in small english- was so hot, and with a killer smile and big tits! I was proactive in that I previously hand wrote a page from my consulates website- with details if you are detained or harrassed, business hours number, emergency after hour numbers, and had them in my jacket and phone. Long story and avoided jail. Not so bad considering I can countat40 girls who came to my flats over the 10 week time in Kiev and Lviv.
Now to address an issue similar to above but where I am in control and did not encounter a moment of BS like this! $
LJ- I did suggest about being careful walking the streets at nite? In my 9 weeks in Kiev I rented 3 different flats a block off city centre until I found my 4th flat, a gem for a good price, then stayed there 6 more weeks. I always carried my passport in my jacket, and cash in front pockets. Lots of small bills in left front for taxis, drinks, coffee, etc. And large bills in right front pocket. Why? Because not matter how loaded I got I always knew where the big bills were and therefore was never pulling out wads of big / small bills to pay for anything. Very easy to reach in and pull out 200 Grn in a moment and leave the other 12x 200 Grn in my pocket unseen. Does this seems like a guy who wants to mess with corrupt cops in Kiev? Not for a second! I practiced this also in theat3 months in Europe leading up to my extended stay in Ukraine and it worked great. Yes, keep quiet to not speak english specially at nite, (my lady friends reminded me of this many times) From my time there-at9 girls my buddy and me had over to our first flat, (had a small party which involved a few reg girls drinking and dancing like crazy, and 2 semi pros later week) and then my buddy ran out of town after 9 days, and in the next 8 weeks the otherat25 women from mamba, friends, badoos, street, etc. Who came to my flat in various ways- with me on foot, solo, by taxi with / without me, etc. Never once did I see a reason to be concerned about the low life cops. Like I said- never saw them, and if I did. So what. Here's my passport, goodbye. I'd, etc. So unless you are a total fool, have extremely bad luck, or a large "L" on your forehead, your "few simple precautions is fine, but the crap about the the girls having I'd, knowing their real name, etc. Could and will just creating paranoia among some newbies to Kiev. Just use common sense, be smart, be wary of whoyou hang with like above, be aware of your surroundings and enjoy filling holes! Fuxk I miss Kiev! It's like the wild, wild, west but with sexy babes everywhere!I agree with just about everything you said about the precautions you took. I never like the idea of carrying a large amount of cash in my pockets. Your precaution of having smaller bills in one pocket for general purposes, so that you don't have to take out the wad of large bills in your other pocket, lest they be seen by eyes that might want to relieve you of some of your extra money, is a good practice. I also only take with me in my pockets an amount of money that is just sufficient for the forseeable purpose I am leaving my apartment for. So for just going to the grocery, I don't take so much money with me, and keep most of it locked up in my apartment. Also, I only withdraw cash from ATM's on an as needed basis each day. With ATM's available commonly, there's no need for carrying a lot of cash with you. Leave it in the bank until needed. When traveling in Costa Rica, a copy of the face page and entry stamp page of my passport is usually sufficient for walking around in case police ask for IDentification. But Kiev is a different beast. The original passport should be carried.
You are also correct that it is a matter of coincidence or luck if you will, regarding who gets stopped by police or who doesn't. In all my times in Kiev, I was only stopped once. And it was a time that I took the precaution of having the taxi drop me and the two girls I was with right in front of my apartment. In the few moments it took to exit the taxi and approach the door, the police who must have been patrolling the Maidan came hurrying over calling out to stop. It's because of the nearness of this particular apartment to where they are patrolling or normally located. So I don't think there is a likelihood of this kind of stop happening in other streets where there are normally no police walking around.
But what I wrote about the girls having their own identity cards on them is not crap. This is the reason that the police were able to have a foothold to continue to harass the girl who did not have her identity card with her. The other girl who did have her I'd wasn't being bothered. But the cop wouldn't let us go upstairs and kept asking if I know these girls. I finally took him aside to speak and thanked him for his concern for my safety, that I knew one of the girls for years and the 2nd girl for a year and they were friends, and I gave him a few grivna for a coffee for him and his assistant, and then they let us go up the elevator. That's what happened. Learn from it what you will. It's a good idea to make sure you know girls you are with are not minors, don't you think? Making sure the girls have I'd, is a reasonable thing to ask.
Yes the heat was unexpected. Walking around the hilly bits I was soon drenched in sweat. I wonder if there is something going on. Fall out from Chernobyl or some old Soviet experiment in the air, or maybe just the viagra leaving the system. My impressions of Premier Palace. I haven't stayed there, just lingered in the quiet, dimly lit cosy coffee lounge over an newspaper, which was pleasant enough . I can't imagine who would pay £150 a night to stay there when you can get a nice modern apartment for half the price. I went to the top floor cocktail lounge and there were some ladies hanging around at a table in the corner. They seemed predatory and tarty and I scampered out feeling rather intimidated. The pool is very pleasant although again a bit humid, practically deserted, hugely expensive at £40, do I repeat myself again, you can get snacks at the poolside bar but watch the prices for fruit juice. Ridiculous, the changing room is immaculately clean, I think you can book a massage etc and there is s a sauna I believe although I didn't try it. The receptionist girls were a bit sniffy, didn't laugh at my joke about being able to buy a house for the price of admission. Go before 4pm when the prices go up, but if you are in by then you can stay.
There is incidentally a discussion going on here re walking about and the police. My mate and his friend were 'arrested' last year walking home at 3am when they were unable to show passports and refused to cough up. They were taken to the local nick and spent several hours there till $100 was produced and they were released. Am I repeating myself, the mind wanders, I am getting too old for this but the search for something special never goes away, the monkey has to be scratched or whatever, so will be back mid may. I think I might try to avoid sex an leave my underpants on this time and see if I can meet somebody nice, but I know its hopeless, the penis always wins. PS yes I would appreciate the contact details you mentioned.
Ronaldinjo
05-08-12, 10:57
Hello Ronaldinjo,
Olya. 22 year old you mentioned above is this one?
http://mamba.ru/olechka-uo/?afolder=dating
ThanksNo, definitelly not this one.
Greetings Everyone,
I moved the last several pages of pointless drivel to a new thread in this forum titled "LilJoey vs Climaxnow, Uke Boy, Muddy7, Barba, et al.".
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3327-LilJoey-vs-Climaxnow-Uke-Boy-Muddy7-Barba-et-al.
This thread splitting process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently moved / did not move a few reports. If you find that your own report was also moved / not moved, please don't take it personally.
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thanks,
Jackson
the process requires a verification to be sent via text message SMS to a number that they give you. It's a different number for each country. The USA is not one of the countries on their list. So I used the number they gave for Some of the European countries and sent the SMS message. But it didn't work.
Good luck. LJIt might well be that the number you call is a pay per call and generates a charge on your number, necessarily the both have to be of the same country, probably for some legal / administrative reason.
CallSign Papa
05-08-12, 19:18
Greetings Everyone,
I moved the last several pages of pointless drivel to a new thread in this forum titled "LilJoey vs Climaxnow, Uke Boy, Muddy7, Barba, et al.".
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
JacksonHallelujah, maybe this thread can be redeemed afterall.
PedroToronja
05-08-12, 22:39
thank you liljoey. i appreciate your insight.
you mention that cruiser d has some useful postings about pickup places, etc. this forum is huge and i would have to spend hours finding those postings, can you send me a link to one of them perhaps please?
since you want me to share, there i go. i visited ua for the first time 6 years ago and i went crazy with the beauty of the girls. at the time i met a couple of them from gia and some other 'masseuses' from kiev post, the english newspaper (a very good one!) that used to place such adds back then. i have a small business and i placed ads online in ua to offshore administrative work there, so i had an opportunity to continue visiting. i also saved a ton of money on salaries. i hired some online workers there about 5 years ago, and since then i have been going 5 to 7 times per year. i don't sh. t where i eat, so i don't play with my employees. (i tried, i could not help it, and it was a disaster. every time!).
about 3 years ago i started placing ads for a 'private personal assistant' in kiev. is a long story, but i have now one 'official' gf in ua, for 2 years already. i am older than her dad, and what sucks is that she is wonderful and truly loves me. being a dog, i can't limit myself to one girl, when there are so many amazing women around. so i am constantly hunting and i find myself cheating in a second degree: first on my wife (which i love to pieces) , then on my gf (for whom i also have feelings) , with girls i get now and then.
of interest to you and others may be the girls on met-art. com. most are from ua, and while their names are fake and you can't find them, the photographer's name is real.
i befriended a photographer who has his own website on his own name, a very nice guy. i went with him, a videographer and a 4 of his models, in two cars, to yalta in winter, for a photo-shoot. i became completely crazy madly in love with one of those girls (the one i liked on the site and i connected by her photographer, now my friend). yes, i paid for most of the gas, food, etc. of that trip south, but. it was worth it ten times over. the experience of a life time, hallucinating. so much so, that on day 3 i just could not handle it anymore and left back to kiev. during the shooting the girls are kind of shy and they don't allow to be right there, ogling. from a distance, yes. anyway, it was too much for me to handle. i jumped 'into the tv' so to speak: the girls i was admiring online, now were around me, sharing the bedrooms (not the bed). back in kiev i did start dating the one i was completely crazy about, although she spoke not a word of english. i bought for about $300 a little translating machine: i type in english, she reads it in russian, and vice-versa. it was crazy but it was one of the best fucks of my life, if not the absolute best. btw, she was 20 and i was 62. personal trainer and plastic surgery make me look acceptable, but in no way you can seriosuly consider that this would work. and it did not. but it was fricken great!
in total, i slept with 3 girls from met-art. only once with the other two girls. memorable, but too complicated. they are not prostitutes, is a lot of work, very expensive at the end, and not worth all the time (when vertical or sitting).
anyway, on the days of river palace i went there several times. i was actually rejected by some 18 or 19 very hot but newbies chicks. my self-estime down the toilet. those are 100% wg, made me feel really, really old. by that time i also heard that the girls there were very mistrusting, because some had been recently kidnapped, raped and beat up. in one case, by the police themselves who dragged a girl to the precinct as a present to their boss on his birthday, and after him, the entire precinct raped her. i think that is possible. most wg when they come to the apartment they ask me to walk them back out to a car, to make sure the cops don't stop them to take their money. it appears that cops follow them from the clubs and when they leave your apartment they take their money.
as for arrests, i was told by an employee of mine that many times girls work together with a cop friend. the girl picks you up on a bar, invites you to smoke pot in some alley, the cop suddently appears, hits the girl a little to make it look real, and takes you to the atm to get the max from your card, plus your cash, not to arrest you. another trick i saw done in front of me many times in kiev is when a guy waking in front of you drops a clear plastic envelope with some money and a wallet inside. if you even touch it to pick it up and give to him, he will open the envelope and claim that you took hundreds of dollars that were in his wallet. a passerby (an accomplice) will vouch for that guy and a friend cop that 'happens' to show up will arrest you, etc. etc. to take all your money. everyone should be warned of this, as i saw it attempted on me several times.
i am always looking for more, of course, i am a guy. i had some very good pussy in kiev, but the best i got was in night flight in moscow, a few years ago. i went again 3 months ago and i was disappointed, but maybe is my mistake, i did not wait long enough for the best to arrive (past midnight). as i was walking out with two girls, a 6 and a 7 at best, i saw some 10's walking in. very expensive too.
in kiev many students and normal working girls need to supplement their income. their salaries are about 3, 000 grivnas a month, if they get paid and when they get paid. i am not sure where to pick them up though. in podol and everywhere they have the universities, but i feel like a predator by a kindergarten stopping and checking those chicks out, so i don't. i don't know where to meet them either. never went to vodka bar or sky bar, i will try next week. sorry i wrote so much, but this is a guy whose life was dedicated, first to being rejected by hot chicks while growing up, and now to make up for all i missed! with a vengeance. i live by the marquis de sade motto: every woman is fuckable and every man is obligated to try! amen.
Nille Copenhagen
05-09-12, 08:47
I had some very good pussy in Kiev, but the best I got was in Night Flight in Moscow, a few years ago. I went again 3 months ago and I was disappointed, but maybe is my mistake, I did not wait long enough for the best to arrive (past midnight). As I was walking out with two girls, a 6 and a 7 at best, I saw some 10's walking in. Very expensive too.Hi PedroToronja.
I was wondering why are you saying NF in Moscow was better fuck, you have already been fucking models from MetArt, can you tell about your fucks with girls from NF. Thanks.
Nille
Member #4491
05-09-12, 09:16
I moved the last several pages of pointless drivel to a new thread in this forum titled "LilJoey vs Climaxnow, Uke Boy, Muddy7, Barba, et al.".
God has intervened and as always his brush is quite wide.
OK, I am out of this thread. It just gets weirder and weirder.
Have fun and feel free to PM me if you want a wing man in EE some day.
B
Mamba and seekingarrangament do work sometimes, there is also sexmamba.There is also a "dating" tool on mamba, that is a place organized as a calendar and by city, and where girls look for coffee, dining or outdoor activities (bowling, ect) dates.
The Kiev "dating calendar" seems to be much less active than the Moscow one, but it is still an interesting option:
http://love.mail.ru/placecard/?id=0&type=3&day=2&location=9908_10165_10184_0
PedroToronja
05-09-12, 18:36
NF has like 80 or so beauties dressed to kill. My first visit (out of 2 in total) was 10 years ago, and for seven days I took a girl home each night. It was the best week of my life. It has a very nice restaurant also, not cheap, but life is too short for cheap anything. Hey, one Viagra is $22. 00! Some of the chicks in NF were barely 18. It was an almost religious experience, maybe better.
Moscow sucks. Is dirty, noisy, polluted, everybody looks bitter and hates you. Very expensive! Even the 3 Marriots are over $300 a night, for the lowest version (Courtyard). I will still go again, and this time wait till 2:00 AM and not rush (as I did the second time I went) to select. Girls there can be quite aggresive in approaching you. Eventually I gave up, and ended up dishing out $600 for 2 girls. It was not a good experience.
Overall I prefer civilians, although they cost more at the end. Many in Ukraine fall in the category of semi-pro, or part time hookers, since they have 'normal' lives at university or work, but need more money. One absolutely gorgeous girl, a lawyer looking for a job, told me she refused one where the Employer told her she will have to stay overtime to fuck him. She refused because they did not have a shower in the office. The fucking was ok.
The sad (for them, luck for us) is that UA and Russian men in general are horrible to their women. Not only they smoke and drink a lot, they are lazy, many have rotten teeth and smell bad, but they have no idea of how to please a woman, nor they care to. The standard 'love making' for them is: girl in all fours, guy behind, enters girl, shakes for a minute, gets out and good bye girl. Girls usually don't have orgasms and if they ask for one, the guy accuses them of not cumming soon enough! It is the girl's fault! Better luck next time. Forget about guys going down on them, or even kissing their tits. At most a kiss in the mouth and turn them around doggy style, in, out, bye. This is not made up, this is what I was told time and again. In Mamba you will find many girls that do not look for a sponsor, don't offer sex for money, but do ask for 'one night stand'. They are sex starved, and this is true. Months can go by without sex, and even then. No orgasm. I was asked by beautiful 22 year's old from Odessa, with surprise: 'do you like kissing them' while I was licking her absolutely beautiful little tits. I could not believe she would ask that. BTW, that girl had only previous orgasms given to her, by her. Never a guy made her cum, and that is not a unique story.
If you treat a girl right, buy her flowers sometimes (always odd number of flowers, never yellow roses!) , open the door for her, invite her to a restaurant. You are golden. Unless she is a gold-digging beatch (whom I also met and became victim of) she will appreciate it with kisses and if you fuck her well, you are sort of God. Me being much older and not the best looking dude in the hood, I still get but not as much as you may get.
Amazing looking girls are in and around Richelieu restaurant (excellent food!) by Lev Tolstoi metro, across from Reprisa cafe (the best cappuccino and apple pie!). But I always went there with a girl, so no chance to approach any. I am not sure they have a bar there, but I often see beautiful lonely girls just walking around.
Buddah Bar are the upscale bitches, All Business, very expensive, very hot. Nice looking at them, as they parade themselves and even kind of dance to show off and attract guys, but probably not a good experience, especially 'after' when you realize you just dumped a ton of money and she is out your door in 30 minutes flat.
Volkonsky especially at Passage next to Krechiatik has tons of amazing women (BTW, they are all over Kiev) dressed to genocide you, not just kill. They look for wealthy oligarchs there, Russian or Ukrainian. Those few people have all the money, and LOTS of them. Normal guys can't compete. I don't think you can approach those chicks. L
Gentlemen, I'the like to share some knowledge with you. I'm not sure if I'll be less boring than the sustained fight we have been reading, but I'm sure this will be more useful. I think one of the benefits of this kind of forums is to be able to learn from the mistakes / success of others, and to try to limit the social advantages of the brain of the females sharing our knowledge about them.
I have travelled extensively in Ukraine in the last 10 years, now I have come back to be single, and I have spent a week in Kiev in the beginning of April.
Logistics:
Change money.
I have discovered in my last visits, contrary to my previous experiences, that the exchange rate in the airport was better than in the town. Anyway, for the 1st time in 10 years, they weren't able to take euro. Only after I begged them, because I hadn't any money for the taxi, they changed me a small amount.
If you want to change some of your hrivnas when you are leaving the country, you'll need to provide them with a receipt of the original bought.
Transport from / to airport by taxi.
The cheapest way is to book by phone in advance. The telephonist will give you the price, after you gave her your destination. They are charging now about 18 euros to the center. I usually use.
http://eurotaxi.kiev.ua/
, sometimes they have some English speaking telephonist. They don't answer to the mails.
All the providers in the airport are more expensive, including the official taxi kiosk (more than 22 euros).
Cafés.
I normally use these 2 chains, not cheap, good quality, and nice staff, some speaking good English.
Repriza:
http://www.repriza.com
Shokoladnitsa,
http://www.shoko.com.ua
Some of the places are open 24/24 h.
Lviv Chocolate Factory, another nice place, .45 Horkoho (Antonovycha) St.
http://chocolate.lviv.ua/
Restaurants.
Chervonoarmiis'ka is plenty of them, for example:
www.
Alfaro. Com. Ua.
In Khrechatik:
www.himalaya.com.ua
Girls:
Mamba:
2 normal girls. One seemed so impressed with me that she deleted her prophile the next day after our meeting, the other seemed interested but was not possible to try for a 2nd time in this visit.
3 working girls. USD 60/80 / hour. Real, but none of my taste when I saw them. Their photos were 10 years younger.
Massagist:
1) With the kind help of Me and you, I contacted Dasha (blond, small, beautiful face, powerful hips). She is saying she is not independent any more, and she's asking 600 grn / hour, and 4000 / night (really up-market!). After several doubts, based on the exceptionally good report:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1616-Photo-Gallery&p=1259404&viewfull=1#post1259404
I agreed for 1 hour. When she arrived to my apartment, we even discussed about direct deals, which failed because she was asking the same price and time than the agency! Eventually I sent her home, she offended, because she tried to force me to give her the money in advance, but I only was accepting to leave it on a self close to the door. A not very intelligent, spoiled brat.
2) I'm having a somehow similar experience than Poker Player 2 with a massagist.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1276833&viewfull=1#post1276833
Such a nice girl, I have met her several times, and I'm beginning to have some true feelings about her. In the past I discovered some girls lying me here (I think eventually we focus in not a very big sample of girls) , so when I read about the experience of Poker Player 2, I began to think if my approach to her is being the right one. I didn't dare to offer her money, as I'm trying not to be a customer for her, and she is very punctilious about not being a prostitute. But perhaps I'm wrong. Unfortunately is not possible to write Private messages to him, and I don't know how to contact you in a private way. May I ask you to provide me with the 1st to letters of the name of the girl, or the last 2 digits of her phone? I relly want to know if you have been luckier than me with the same girl.
Strip Clubs:
All this boring fight about just 1 club in Kiev, is astonishing. May I ask the critics to offer an alternative? As far as I know, and after having done some research myself, I think Río is the best quality / price strip club in Kiev. None of the other ones I have visited (or read about) have so many girls, nice music, professional staff. The others have similar prices, less girls, and most of the times less beautiful, but perhaps I'm wrong.
Bu the way, in my experience, the quality of the girls has nothing to do with where they are dancing. In the other hand, I think there is a huge variety of quality there, there are even some girls are not very attractive, but in this last visit, the level of beauty was amazing, only very few blondes.
And just a little piece of additional information, women who visit this clubs pay double.
Some further questions, apart from the identification of Poker Players's girl.
• Is prostitution illegal in Ukraine? I think yes. Are clients accountable too? I don't know.
• Is compulsory to be able to provide with an official document of identity? I know that for Anglo-Saxons this can be surprising, but in many European countries not having with you an I'd document is not legal, and Authorities can ask you it in any moment. I always have a good photocopy, and I have just being asked it once (BTW, being with a under 18 girl, as I discovered some years later).
• Did any of you appreciate a growing belligerence from Ukrainian men against men of others nationalities in company of Ukranian women? Before I never had a problem, but in the last couple of years some uncomfortable situations has developed, even if we behave in a very polite (but not weak) manner. Last one, we had to phone the police, and they were really nice and cooperative. This is not Russia.
I hope somebody can take advantage of these pieces of information.
thank you liljoey. i appreciate your insight.
you mention that cruiser d has some useful postings about pickup places, etc. this forum is huge and i would have to spend hours finding those postings, can you send me a link to one of them perhaps please?
since you want me to share, there i go. i visited ua for the first time 6 years ago and i went crazy with the beauty of the girls. at the time i met a couple of them from gia and some other 'masseuses' from kiev post, the english newspaper (a very good one!) that used to place such adds back then. i have a small business and i placed ads online in ua to offshore administrative work there, so i had an opportunity to continue visiting. i also saved a ton of money on salaries. i hired some online workers there about 5 years ago, and since then i have been going 5 to 7 times per year. i don't sh. t where i eat, so i don't play with my employees. (i tried, i could not help it, and it was a disaster. every time!).
about 3 years ago i started placing ads for a 'private personal assistant' in kiev. is a long story, but i have now one 'official' gf in ua, for 2 years already. i am older than her dad, and what sucks is that she is wonderful and truly loves me. being a dog, i can't limit myself to one girl, when there are so many amazing women around. so i am constantly hunting and i find myself cheating in a second degree: first on my wife (which i love to pieces) , then on my gf (for whom i also have feelings) , with girls i get now and then.
of interest to you and others may be the girls on met-art. com. most are from ua, and while their names are fake and you can't find them, the photographer's name is real.
i befriended a photographer who has his own website on his own name, a very nice guy. i went with him, a videographer and a 4 of his models, in two cars, to yalta in winter, for a photo-shoot. i became completely crazy madly in love with one of those girls (the one i liked on the site and i connected by her photographer, now my friend). yes, i paid for most of the gas, food, etc. of that trip south, but. it was worth it ten times over. the experience of a life time, hallucinating. so much so, that on day 3 i just could not handle it anymore and left back to kiev. during the shooting the girls are kind of shy and they don't allow to be right there, ogling. from a distance, yes. anyway, it was too much for me to handle. i jumped 'into the tv' so to speak: the girls i was admiring online, now were around me, sharing the bedrooms (not the bed). back in kiev i did start dating the one i was completely crazy about, although she spoke not a word of english. i bought for about $300 a little translating machine: i type in english, she reads it in russian, and vice-versa. it was crazy but it was one of the best fucks of my life, if not the absolute best. btw, she was 20 and i was 62. personal trainer and plastic surgery make me look acceptable, but in no way you can seriosuly consider that this would work. and it did not. but it was fricken great!
in total, i slept with 3 girls from met-art. only once with the other two girls. memorable, but too complicated. they are not prostitutes, is a lot of work, very expensive at the end, and not worth all the time (when vertical or sitting).
anyway, on the days of river palace i went there several times. i was actually rejected by some 18 or 19 very hot but newbies chicks. my self-estime down the toilet. those are 100% wg, made me feel really, really old. by that time i also heard that the girls there were very mistrusting, because some had been recently kidnapped, raped and beat up. in one case, by the police themselves who dragged a girl to the precinct as a present to their boss on his birthday, and after him, the entire precinct raped her. i think that is possible. most wg when they come to the apartment they ask me to walk them back out to a car, to make sure the cops don't stop them to take their money. it appears that cops follow them from the clubs and when they leave your apartment they take their money.
as for arrests, i was told by an employee of mine that many times girls work together with a cop friend. the girl picks you up on a bar, invites you to smoke pot in some alley, the cop suddently appears, hits the girl a little to make it look real, and takes you to the atm to get the max from your card, plus your cash, not to arrest you. another trick i saw done in front of me many times in kiev is when a guy waking in front of you drops a clear plastic envelope with some money and a wallet inside. if you even touch it to pick it up and give to him, he will open the envelope and claim that you took hundreds of dollars that were in his wallet. a passerby (an accomplice) will vouch for that guy and a friend cop that 'happens' to show up will arrest you, etc. etc. to take all your money. everyone should be warned of this, as i saw it attempted on me several times.
i am always looking for more, of course, i am a guy. i had some very good pussy in kiev, but the best i got was in night flight in moscow, a few years ago. i went again 3 months ago and i was disappointed, but maybe is my mistake, i did not wait long enough for the best to arrive (past midnight). as i was walking out with two girls, a 6 and a 7 at best, i saw some 10's walking in. very expensive too.
in kiev many students and normal working girls need to supplement their income. their salaries are about 3, 000 grivnas a month, if they get paid and when they get paid. i am not sure where to pick them up though. in podol and everywhere they have the universities, but i feel like a predator by a kindergarten stopping and checking those chicks out, so i don't. i don't know where to meet them either. never went to vodka bar or sky bar, i will try next week. sorry i wrote so much, but this is a guy whose life was dedicated, first to being rejected by hot chicks while growing up, and now to make up for all i missed! with a vengeance. i live by the marquis de sade motto: every woman is fuckable and every man is obligated to try! amen.for those who spent lots of time in kiev and after metart models i would suggest shockmodels. su that site is dedicated to identification of erotic / porn models and escorts mainly from russia and ukraine. there you can find real name and conacts of most of the erotic models. you will find their facebook accounts, emails and phone numbers. there are some problems though : 1 after you get registerd at shockmodels you get a limited level of access to site's database. you can search a metart model and if she was identified at that site you will get her real name and some pictures. to get to the next level of access you will have to contact admin and for a fee of around $100 get full acess to site. 's resourses. after gainig full access you'll be able to see contacts and other information about the girl you are after. 2) most of the metart other erotic models are willing to do independent escort with foreigners, i would say about 70% of them are willing to do escort. about half of those among 70% i mentioned are actually in escort business, another half is actually well prepered but needs to be approached smartly. in any case both halves of them are afraid either of police or of maniacs (though foreigners appear more reliable to them). so after obtaining a particular contact you will have to entartain your art of persuading people. if your first approach was not well prepared and you get denied you second approach will have very slim chances to succeed. 3) the idea of getting a metart girls as escort through direct contact consumes time. so this is not for someone who is going to kiev for a one time short trip, but the reward is you may get a real beauty who is not a professional hooker that is almost impossible to find at mamba, love. mail. ru topmodals and others, all for $200-300 for a 2-3 hours meeting and after the first meeting try to pay her a little more than you initially agreed and you will get access to her friends and then their friends. and you are in business for penuts.
other site to suggest if you are after real models and have time for a creative approach is napodiume. ru do the search there sart with the city you need and models that participate in erotic, topless sessions (you can specify it in your search) then you will have whole list of girls with option to contact them directly.
the whole thing is not easy to do and consumes time. so it is not for everyone for it takes time and skills and even then does not guarantee anything.
I don't have a problem paying 300 dollar for a girl. Having an intersting coversation with the diev, and she is theling me about these salary in Kiev:
A doctor-150-300 euro.
Nurse-120-150.
Teacher at the uni-200-300.
Accountant-250-350.
Lawyer-about 300-1000.
Programmist-300-700.
So it ends up we pay a month salary to dievs for few hour sex. Its just crazy) Salaries quoted here are possibly correct except the programmer one. 1,500- 3, 500 is the real range.
Also, these salaries are added to by extra payments for extra services- If you want a tidy scar after an appendix operation, the extra payment is $100-$200.
Police salaries are also topped up by guys getting stopped for not having their passports, being with girls, wearing ridiculous shirts etc.
El Cubanito
05-10-12, 14:38
Hi Guys,
I will be in Kiev from May 28 to may 31 and then I have plans to go to Odessa and I will be there for 4 nights before I have to come back to reality here in the United States.
I have read through the pages and have gotten a pretty good idea where to go and meet women. I just have one question. How many have used the mamba. Ru website to meet Ukrainian girls. Also, for a non Russian speaking person like myself how bad will it be for me. I am Hispanic and I can speak English and Spanish fluently. But thoes 2 languages will not help me in Kiev and Odessa. I have looked on youtube and it seem that the Ukrainian people are very cool people.
El Cubanito
Coming back tomorrow to Kiev to check out the new Mandarin Boat which was supposed to be open on May 8. Does anyone know if the Boat is open?
AColonizer
05-10-12, 15:18
This is your memories, that time has gone forever.
Interesting, and true, is "Overall I prefer civilians, although they cost more at the end. Many in Ukraine fall in the category of semi-pro, or part time hookers, since they have 'normal' lives at university or work, but need more money. One absolutely gorgeous girl, a lawyer looking for a job, told me she refused one where the Employer told her she will have to stay overtime to fuck him. She refused because they did not have a shower in the office. The fucking was ok."
And, I guess, her story continues: that girl fucks all Russians for getting something in exchange and, she has a different behaviour with no-Russian-speaking foreigners. And the same for most Slavic girls.
And, I wonder, if their men are so disgusting, then what is the reason they do everything for their disgusting men, instead to have a real feeling (and a regular family) with a foreigner? The reason is they lie, always lie, lie everybody for their own convenience and they like that kind of disgusting life. Therefore it is silly to believe any words said by them in 99% cases. Maybe 1% is OK.
NF has like 80 or so beauties dressed to kill. My first visit (out of 2 in total) was 10 years ago, and for seven days I took a girl home each night. It was the best week of my life. It has a very nice restaurant also, not cheap, but life is too short for cheap anything. Hey, one Viagra is $22. 00! Some of the chicks in NF were barely 18. It was an almost religious experience, maybe better.
Moscow sucks. Is dirty, noisy, polluted, everybody looks bitter and hates you. Very expensive! Even the 3 Marriots are over $300 a night, for the lowest version (Courtyard). I will still go again, and this time wait till 2:00 AM and not rush (as I did the second time I went) to select. Girls there can be quite aggresive in approaching you. Eventually I gave up, and ended up dishing out $600 for 2 girls. It was not a good experience.
Overall I prefer civilians, although they cost more at the end. Many in Ukraine fall in the category of semi-pro, or part time hookers, since they have 'normal' lives at university or work, but need more money. One absolutely gorgeous girl, a lawyer looking for a job, told me she refused one where the Employer told her she will have to stay overtime to fuck him. She refused because they did not have a shower in the office. The fucking was ok.
The sad (for them, luck for us) is that UA and Russian men in general are horrible to their women. Not only they smoke and drink a lot, they are lazy, many have rotten teeth and smell bad, but they have no idea of how to please a woman, nor they care to. The standard 'love making' for them is: girl in all fours, guy behind, enters girl, shakes for a minute, gets out and good bye girl. Girls usually don't have orgasms and if they ask for one, the guy accuses them of not cumming soon enough! It is the girl's fault! Better luck next time. Forget about guys going down on them, or even kissing their tits. At most a kiss in the mouth and turn them around doggy style, in, out, bye. This is not made up, this is what I was told time and again. In Mamba you will find many girls that do not look for a sponsor, don't offer sex for money, but do ask for 'one night stand'. They are sex starved, and this is true. Months can go by without sex, and even then. No orgasm. I was asked by beautiful 22 year's old from Odessa, with surprise: 'do you like kissing them' while I was licking her absolutely beautiful little tits. I could not believe she would ask that. BTW, that girl had only previous orgasms given to her, by her. Never a guy made her cum, and that is not a unique story.
If you treat a girl right, buy her flowers sometimes (always odd number of flowers, never yellow roses!) , open the door for her, invite her to a restaurant. You are golden. Unless she is a gold-digging beatch (whom I also met and became victim of) she will appreciate it with kisses and if you fuck her well, you are sort of God. Me being much older and not the best looking dude in the hood, I still get but not as much as you may get.
Amazing looking girls are in and around Richelieu restaurant (excellent food!) by Lev Tolstoi metro, across from Reprisa cafe (the best cappuccino and apple pie!). But I always went there with a girl, so no chance to approach any. I am not sure they have a bar there, but I often see beautiful lonely girls just walking around.
Buddah Bar are the upscale bitches, All Business, very expensive, very hot. Nice looking at them, as they parade themselves and even kind of dance to show off and attract guys, but probably not a good experience, especially 'after' when you realize you just dumped a ton of money and she is out your door in 30 minutes flat.
Volkonsky especially at Passage next to Krechiatik has tons of amazing women (BTW, they are all over Kiev) dressed to genocide you, not just kill. They look for wealthy oligarchs there, Russian or Ukrainian. Those few people have all the money, and LOTS of them. Normal guys can't compete. I don't think you can approach those chicks. L
Hi Guys,
I will be in Kiev from May 28 to may 31 and then I have plans to go to Odessa and I will be there for 4 nights before I have to come back to reality here in the United States.
I have read through the pages and have gotten a pretty good idea where to go and meet women. I just have one question. How many have used the mamba. Ru website to meet Ukrainian girls. Also, for a non Russian speaking person like myself how bad will it be for me. I am Hispanic and I can speak English and Spanish fluently. But thoes 2 languages will not help me in Kiev and Odessa. I have looked on youtube and it seem that the Ukrainian people are very cool people.
El CubanitoYou did look at you tube and decided that Ukr people "are very cool")? Sorry this just made me LOL.
Dude it dose take time to figure out EE women mentality. Mamba is fine for cheap sex, and sex is an international language.
Now if you go for freebie or sponsorete action it is a different game.
And since you claim reading this Kiev thread then you know what to expect from mamba.
Gl
PedroToronja
05-10-12, 15:31
I did get civilians in Mamba. Women are sex-starved in Russia and Ukraine. Guys don't know how to fuck them, or they don't care because they have so much selection. I had at least 3 civilians I remember now from Mamba which I had sex with. Many others have fake pics and many more are WG looking for clients. I keep dating girls from Mamba and actually this coming Sunday I have arranged for 2 dates, and 1 on Monday. I will also try some I found in Top-modals, although most are fake pics and I had send many home without taxi money.
I would not describe UA people as cool, but that is personal. Men, in general, suck because many drink too much, others are just born losers without will power. I also met some that are very good people, great character and good work ethics. The balance or average as for men is negative. For women, the exact opposite. That is a matriarch-ism, where women ware the pants. Their Soviet past, I am sure, plays a part on this. Hard to have balls when, for 400 years, if they showed them, the Russians would chop them off. Not an easy legacy to shake.
Cubanito, skip Odessa. Is a waste of your time. Stay in Kiev, is my advice.
English will help you. All the people you are interested to meet had English mandatory in school. Terrible teachers they had, but they can still communicate with you.
DoctorOral
05-10-12, 16:16
After reading this in the forum:
BTW, that girl had only previous orgasms given to her, by her. Never a guy made her cum, and that is not a unique story.
I totally agree for UAH girls. One young massagist told me "don't even try, I never had an orgasm, I am too young to have one". With 18!
Be nice and polite. And dreams come true!
Be nice and polite. And dreams come true!The strategy of being nice, polite, and trying to please is a doomed idea with Russian devs. I would say it is better to have an attitude of never being rude. I will never understand it with Slavic women, but they need to be led by men that are men and not false gift givers.
Yes yes I know, Barba could not stay away.Surely this is not a time to have one of the threads wisest leave. Thanks for the picture.
PedroToronja
05-10-12, 20:25
Maybe you forgive me if I post a picture of this ass that I am sure more than me drilled? Yes I can share her details but I do not recommend her unless you are desperate to fuck some teenage ass.
DSBarba, is that girl called Katia and her phone number ends in 789?
PedroToronja
05-10-12, 22:04
In Kiev you will see tables with several men, but no women. Women may be alone in pairs, without a guy. Most tables have only men, they don't invite women for diner. They don't need to pay them diners in order to get laid, as there is a severe shortage of eligible men in Ukraine. Quite sad to see so many beautiful women without a guy, but that is good luck for us of course.
Many things here that are good to know. Thanks. Only, there is no mention of if they speak some English at these restaurants / bars. I speak no Russian and TGI Fridays, O'Brians Bar, Tarantino, you can depend on English speaking waiters. Many regret the disapperance of casinos and poker bars, but the authorities are trying to clean up a llittle. I'm told by insiders there is no place to go for real poker where you can win or loose some money.
The women are indeed special creatures. They will smile at you, you can ask a girl in the shop for her nnumber (just give some silly reason) and she will provide it, but you have to "win her" if this is to be of any help for you. Sometimes you can, sometimes not, it depends partly upon your dress, your age, your language skills, and of course mostly your abilities with women. But for some women, it is (still) hugely important being a foreigner. I don't understand your question about initiating things. It can hardly be dangerous to ask? If somebody shows up, it is usually not recommended to try get her to bed on first date. If she indicates she wants to go to your flat or needs money, she is probably a sex worker. If genuine freebee, you try get another date soon and then invite to your flat to show her your iPad or whatever. Good luck.
Besides Richelieu, Monaco (avoid oysters) , Buddah Bar for sushi upstairs in plain view of the escorts, the Vinci Fish Market, Stephanos, Leo, all great. Second tier Ciro Pomodoro, Concorde, Deja Vue, even Il Patio. I would not venture too far beyond those as getting food poisoning.
They used to have a poker club at Arena. 2nd floor.
Women always smile and giggle but it does not mean they want you to kiss them. Be careful reading too much into their smiles. They are often just polite.
Regarding Mamba and that 'dating' tool when you invite for coffee, etc. Anyone knows how I can initiate such? Offering to pick up the tab for anyone who shows up may be dangerous.
Pedro,
Nice reports. Honest but without the hype. With a little time on your hands, Kiev can be a true paradise full of gorgeous women (well, except from Dec to March, when it is too cold). You mentioned that you have some outsource business in Kiev. I have also thought of "retiring" in Kiev and a while back I had a partial interest on an English School. May I ask what is your business. I already live in Eastern Europe, but Kiev would be better.
In Kiev you will see tables with several men, but no women. Women may be alone in pairs, without a guy. Most tables have only men, they don't invite women for diner. They don't need to pay them diners in order to get laid, as there is a severe shortage of eligible men in Ukraine. Quite sad to see so many beautiful women without a guy, but that is good luck for us of course.
El Cubanito
05-11-12, 13:08
You did look at you tube and decided that Ukr people "are very cool")? Sorry this just made me LOL.
Dude it dose take time to figure out EE women mentality. Mamba is fine for cheap sex, and sex is an international language.
Now if you go for freebie or sponsorete action it is a different game.
And since you claim reading this Kiev thread then you know what to expect from mamba.
GlNo, Tomux I am sorry if you mis read my message, but I do not know what to expect from Mamba or Kiev for that matter. This will be my 1st time in Kiev and I am sure that I will make plenty of mistake since I do not know the language. But I am willing to learn and cut on the mistake. I have friends and co-workers who are Russian and yes the guys have this look like they are ready to kill you. But they are very good friends of mine and have givem me some pointers. I am not just going to Kiev just for the sex, but I also want to see the Country. I am a veteran of Cuba (Naturally) , Dominican Republic, Colombia, Venezuela, Argentina, Thailand and Japan.
I have a prefences for local non-pros, but I think it might be possible on this trip. I have been chatting with a couple of students that I met on website, but I think that might not work since it looks like they can not leave there boyfriends when I get to Ukraine.
Pedro, thank you for you advice not to go to Odessa. Why do you think Odessa is a waste of time? I happen to love the water and I am trying to go to a place where is a nice city and they have water. Would you recomend Yalta?
Thank you guys for all of your input.
El Cubanito
El Cubanito
05-11-12, 13:09
Thanks for your input and your PM. I have sent another please respond when you can.
Again, thank for your helpful advice.
El Cubanito
Many on this forum will disagree with me, but I had great sucsess with travel girls and Russian Cupid sites.
I am in love with slavic ladys, they are educated, look good and knows how to please a man.
They just need to see that there is value for them using time on you. And rly, no money need to be exchanged. Even I sometimes prefer pros, since lack of time.
The last girl I meet in Kiev resently, did not expect anything from me. Just to show her a nice time and sure pay for dinners etc. Unfortunatley even I got loads of pictures of her I will not post them.
Since she is a normal girl and have a desnt job.
PedroToronja
05-11-12, 16:04
I don't understand your question about initiating things.By "Initiate things" I meant in Mamba, how to initiate the meeting at a caffee where anyone can join. I saw one of those ongoing, but for days I would not be in Kiev. I know how to invite one girl, but there is a tool to initiate, (form, publish, post) a group meeting, open. Do you know how?
PedroToronja
05-11-12, 16:17
Pedro, thank you for you advice not to go to Odessa. Why do you think Odessa is a waste of time? I happen to love the water and I am trying to go to a place where is a nice city and they have water. Would you recomend Yalta? El CubanitoWaiters speak or understand English most everywhere in Kiev.
Water is dirty in the Black Sea. The beach is stones, not sand. Odessa is not a clean city. It is very noisy and the streets are quite broken. It does have a nice rambla near the Potamkim steps and a beautiful Opera House. IMHO, nothing else. There is just one street to walk up and down repeatedly, where the Irish Pub is. Nothing great about it. Funny to see people on horses though.
Yalta. Nice the view of the sea from atop the cliffs. Nice rambla to walk and people watch. Nothing else. Don't waste your time. Stick to Kiev.
About girls with boyfriends, don't waste your time or money. That means you will get nowhere with them, move on. UA girls are not stupid, quite the opposite! Their smiles, laughs and constant giggling hide the fact that they know exactly what they want. Some will try to scam you for money (for what I read) but by far, the majority are honest, clean, good people, and if they find a good husband I am sure they make a great wife and mother. I have admiration for them. They dress like sluts because the competition for men is cruel and overwhelming.
Is very hard to find a job in UA. Salaries in Kiev, for those lucky to find a job, are about 3, 000 hrivnas (some $350) a month, and sometimes they don't even get paid. I knew people who did not get paid for months, but continued to show up to work so 'maybe' one day they would get paid. This is true and frequent. They show up to work and they can only leave when their bosses tell them that the work is done. They may work very long days, even taking work home. Is horrible. Women are not respected at work at all. I don't blame some of them for seeking 'extra' income by doing a little whoring on the side. An apartment rent in Kiev is the same cost as in the US, everything but food is more expensive than in the US. Try living on $350 a month.
PedroToronja
05-11-12, 16:53
You give no reason why you won't go to BB, VB, Shooters or D'Lux?Sorry, but what is BB? Can you tell us about those places and DLux (went there only once for diner with a girl, did not approach the bar and it was probably too early). What do you know about Vodka Bar, 'BB', Shooters, Sky Bar or similar? Which would you recommend for a 60 year old who is not 6 feet tall (but shorter)? First choice is of course, a sex-starved civilian who just wants a good fuck. Second is a semi-pro, girl in University or with a regular job, supplementing their regular income. All else failing: a pro.
Cubanito: you mentioned you are mulato or not quite fully white. I do need to warn you that there is a measure of racism and / or nationalism in all former CCCP (USSR) countries. Not so much by women, but by men. There are reports of assaults in Ukraine towards black people, not so much in Kiev as in the nationalistic West (which supposedly collaborated with the Nazis in WWII) and in the heavily Russian East. They do have skin-heads. While you can see some black people in UA, there are far in-between. I would not be paranoid, but stay in the center of Kiev and you may not want to walk alone late at night away from Krechiatik.
BTW, Russian men (not very different than Ukrainian men, but worst than them) are, IMHO just about the worst men in the world. I can't find any redeemer quality to them (speaking in general, as I do know a few very good exceptions!). By in-large they are drunken, smoke, have a horrible attitude, lazy, cruel and brute. They have no manners and no concern with hygiene at all. It is normal to see them in airplanes poking buggers out of their nose. If you sit nearby, is horrible! Many do not use deodorant, and that can kill you. Any woman will tell you they are horrible in bed, and out of bed too. For us. That is a blessing! If we give them visas, I bet half the women in UA would move to USA and we will have the most beautiful people on earth!
Understanding the people of those countries is very difficult. Ukraine is not a real country, it is the outer limits of Russia, they backyard and their dumpster. For most of their history, Ukraine (independent as a country for about 20 years, and only on paper since their president is a puppet of Putin) has been conquered and occupied by the Polish, the Tatars (muslims) , Russians, Germans, etc. Their tradition is to be slaves. Very sad but true, and they all know it all too well. Too well, because they can't forget it and they don't believe in themselves, their motivation, self estime, pride is in the trash. They are used to being abused, and that resistance is futile (Gulag). Very sad, because they are also good, noble people.
BTW, Russian men (not very different than Ukrainian men, but worst than them) are, IMHO just about the worst men in the world. I can't find any redeemer quality to them (speaking in general, as I do know a few very good exceptions!). By in-large they are drunken, smoke, have a horrible attitude, lazy, cruel and brute. They have no manners and no concern with hygiene at all. It is normal to see them in airplanes poking buggers out of their nose. If you sit nearby, is horrible! Many do not use deodorant, and that can kill you. Any woman will tell you they are horrible in bed, and out of bed too. For us. That is a blessing! If we give them visas, I bet half the women in UA would move to USA and we will have the most beautiful people on earth!That would be a very bad bet on your side. The promised land would hold wonderful jobs of cleaning toilets and caring for other peoples children. Now a days, the only ones that would want to leave for America would be the ones with no job marketability in Ukraine, aka the real dogs.
El Cubanito
05-11-12, 22:38
Cubanito: you mentioned you are mulato or not quite fully white. I do need to warn you that there is a measure of racism and / or nationalism in all former CCCP (USSR) countries. Not so much by women, but by men. There are reports of assaults in Ukraine towards black people, not so much in Kiev as in the nationalistic West (which supposedly collaborated with the Nazis in WWII) and in the heavily Russian East. They do have skin-heads. While you can see some black people in UA, there are far in-between. I would not be paranoid, but stay in the center of Kiev and you may not want to walk alone late at night away from Krechiatik.Pedro, yes I am a mulato or darskin. I kind of look like the actor Blair Underwood, same frame, skin color only straight hair. I am 45 years old but look like 35 or at least that is the lie the ladies give me. Will this be a problem in Ukraine? I also have very good communications skills and get along in any setting. I am also very good friends with Russians and I have a Ukrainian friend that I went to college with. I am farmiliar with there shitty behavior and tough front.
I just want to know if my looks will cause a international incident?
El Cubanito
PedroToronja
05-12-12, 01:29
I just want to know if my looks will cause a international incident?
El CubanitoNo, they won't, but I suggest you take my advice, for your own sake. Enjoy!
There is also a "dating" tool on mamba, that is a place organized as a calendar and by city, and where girls look for coffee, dining or outdoor activities (bowling, ect) dates.
The Kiev "dating calendar" seems to be much less active than the Moscow one, but it is still an interesting option:
http://love.mail.ru/placecard/?id=0&type=3&day=2&location=9908_10165_10184_0Thank you for that, Prosal.
Some of us still enjoy the thrill of the chase no matter what the, erm, denouement...
Dear friends please be advised that bad economic situation in Ukraine significantly sliced girls' rates. The rates are about 25-30% down comparing to last year's rates. That applies to upscale escorts though (those that used to be $200 / hr and above) and girls these days are much easier to negotiate.
El Cubanito
05-12-12, 12:19
Guys,
As I read these posts it seems that some of you want to go up to a girl, say how much and tell her to spread her legs. Guys, even hard core hookers want the fantasy that they are being courted. The illussion of courting a woman, even a hard core professional has NEVER EVER let me go wrong. I even had one girl in Dominican Republic tell me that she did not want my money, if anything she just wanted to spend the day with me and that would be payment enough because the way I treated her. Let me tell you she was very good company and I was rewarded very handsomely. BTW, the girl was not a Dog or anything like that she quite beautiful and exotic. So guys if you want a girl to treat you right in Bed, treat her right and deliver the toudown when you have her in Bed, you will be rewarded.
I know that some will not agree with me but that has been my experience and my 2 cent.
El Cubanito
El Cubanito
05-12-12, 12:24
No, they won't, but I suggest you take my advice, for your own sake. Enjoy!Have you been to any of these clubs: Patipa, Shooters, Decadence or Avalon. Do any of these clubs as far as you know have "face control"? What is your completion like? Are you like me in completion? Did anything happen to you with these guys over in Ukraine? Did you have "face control" done on you?
El Cubanito
Actually, the girls have explained "face control" to me as manager controlling that only young and well groomed women attending the club. Like Shooters, shere you cannot enter with sneakers on. D'Lux has higher standards. Some time ago there was a report on this here in the forum.
AColonizer
05-12-12, 14:11
Thanks for your report. I heard an experience like yours from dozens of men. This looks like to a description of a great theatrical drama: different people see different details. I think your brain prefers to remember some details instead of some others.
In my statistics, a real hardcore prostitute and her business have very different rules. If a man shows her how much he is a gentleman for just a minute, then he is ruined: she wants more money, she provides less services, she becomes into a bad attitude. Seduction with a prostitute is a harakiri.
And sex is not a pussy only. And anal is a duty. And 99% girls are not able to a good blowjob: a girl should never touch the penis with hands. Since I understood what is the art of sex (and I got rid of mass conformism) , I consider sex is not a pussy only and a pussy only is not sex.
And I think Dominican girls have a different attitude in comparison of Western girls and Eastern European girls. And, in general, the "gentleman style" never works good for sufficient results. I think in 4 billions of girls in the world and for the law of large numbers, you came across a favorable case for some time. I see real womanizers, who get lasting results, are lovely but also they don't care about anybody. It depends what do you mean for seduction. It seems seduction never means a real feeling for both man and woman. And I always call it as prostitution.
Guys,
As I read these posts it seems that some of you want to go up to a girl, say how much and tell her to spread her legs. Guys, even hard core hookers want the fantasy that they are being courted. The illussion of courting a woman, even a hard core professional has NEVER EVER let me go wrong. I even had one girl in Dominican Republic tell me that she did not want my money, if anything she just wanted to spend the day with me and that would be payment enough because the way I treated her. Let me tell you she was very good company and I was rewarded very handsomely. BTW, the girl was not a Dog or anything like that she quite beautiful and exotic. So guys if you want a girl to treat you right in Bed, treat her right and deliver the toudown when you have her in Bed, you will be rewarded.
I know that some will not agree with me but that has been my experience and my 2 cent.
El Cubanito
Actually, the girls have explained "face control" to me as manager controlling that only young and well groomed women attending the club. Like Shooters, shere you cannot enter with sneakers on. D'Lux has higher standards. Some time ago there was a report on this here in the forum.Pretty much so.
It is quite cruel sometimes. A friend arrived in D'Lux with a girlfriend and the manager stopped him saying "are you sure? We have much better looking girls inside".
No sneakers is standard unless you are me, and dress smartly enough. Cruiser D goes for the suit and tie look, Hunter Dave for the smart casual.
Have you been to any of these clubs: Patipa, Shooters, Decadence or Avalon. Do any of these clubs as far as you know have "face control"? What is your completion like? Are you like me in completion? Did anything happen to you with these guys over in Ukraine? Did you have "face control" done on you?
El CubanitoPatipa is a very young crowd, Shooters is a little older crowd but still lot's of students, Decadence is closed, Avalon is a D'Lux wannabee. I used to go there weekly but they remodelled the place and tried an "exclusive" policy. Not sure they got the crowds back.
PedroToronja
05-12-12, 15:08
Actually, the girls have explained "face control" to me as manager controlling that only young and well groomed women attending the club. Like Shooters, shere you cannot enter with sneakers on. D'Lux has higher standards. Some time ago there was a report on this here in the forum.Face control means they allow girls in, who appear to be able to have older men spend their money buying them drinks, if possible the full bottles. The clubs are after money, like everybody else.
PedroToronja
05-12-12, 15:12
Have you been to any of these clubs: Patipa, Shooters, Decadence or Avalon. Do any of these clubs as far as you know have "face control"? What is your completion like? Are you like me in completion? Did anything happen to you with these guys over in Ukraine? Did you have "face control" done on you?
El CubanitoI don't know what you mean by 'completion'. I am older buy very white and blonde, they never rejected me, but of the 4 clubs you mention above, I have only been to Avalon. Make no mistake, beautiful women are a worldwide commodity, like gold. They know it since they are 11 years old. They are always expensive, but in Kiev they are less expensive because of the economy. They are not stupid, they know how to manipulate you and extract everything they can. Top girls cost top dollars, they always have men willing and able to pay for it. You may want to go down a notch or two, and you will get a lot more satisfaction and less greed.
Cubanito, as long as you keep to the center of Kiev, and out of the streets by midnight, or in company, I think you will be fine. Don't worry. Don't read more than what I wrote in these lines.
If you Google the 'phone numbers (if they send them). From Mamba girls that you have targetted, (some people haven't twigged that you can search by a series of numbers as well as by key words) you will find that many come up as from 'Fire Escorts' or 'Top Modals' I guess this means that it is an agency that is placing the ads. As reported before, my experience with both Mamba and Top models is that you will just get whoever is 'on duty' or available that day turning up.
There seems actually and surprisingly to be a poverty of reliable escort agencies in Kiev compared to say London where you are spoiled for choice. Reports re. Gia, which dominates the market, have not been that enthusistic.
I used to monger in Prague where AAA Travel Consult and Prague Bunnies used to consistently provide reliable and quality service and the photos were good quality, genuine, accurate and recent (now apparently sadly closed down) and I switched to Kiev because I was seduced by the apparent availability of loveliness evidenced in the street, whereas in Prague the loveliness is there. But not so much at large.
With the demise of River Palace. Where you didn't really have try very hard and would quite possibly get picked up yourself, the situation is a bit more difficult for shy little creatures like myself who would rather pick up a phone than face the possibilty of a rejected advance.
Erotic massages in Kiev of course are still easy to set up without any leg work but they don't offer the same satisfaction. If any of yous are aware of Kiev agencies that do offer accurate pics and service, that info. Would be most welcome. Incidentally in London, for the last few years there has been a slow and almost imperceptible clean up going on. You will no longer find the notices in shop windows advertising massage and the local newspapers have banished massage parlour and escort ads. It really just leaves the internet. You can speculate that if the government ever gets round to censoring the internet how easy it would be for them to knock out the smaller target. I am just rambling. Its been a slow day.
El Cubanito
05-12-12, 16:37
Actually, the girls have explained "face control" to me as manager controlling that only young and well groomed women attending the club. Like Shooters, shere you cannot enter with sneakers on. D'Lux has higher standards. Some time ago there was a report on this here in the forum.Thank you Roll for giving us an update. We shall see what kind of "control" they have when I go to these places.
El Cubanito
05-12-12, 18:48
I don't know what you mean by 'completion'. I am older buy very white and blonde, they never rejected me, but of the 4 clubs you mention above, I have only been to Avalon. Make no mistake, beautiful women are a worldwide commodity, like gold. They know it since they are 11 years old. They are always expensive, but in Kiev they are less expensive because of the economy. They are not stupid, they know how to manipulate you and extract everything they can. Top girls cost top dollars, they always have men willing and able to pay for it. You may want to go down a notch or two, and you will get a lot more satisfaction and less greed.
Cubanito, as long as you keep to the center of Kiev, and out of the streets by midnight, or in company, I think you will be fine. Don't worry. Don't read more than what I wrote in these lines.Pedro, then Kiev is sort of like New York City (Manhattan) , if you stay between 32nd and 86th street on either the West or East side of Manhattan then you will be ok, even after midnight. If you go past these street in either direction then you are in a world of $h! T. I have been in these streets at 4:00 AM and have never had any issues. I am from New York City.
El Cubanito
05-12-12, 18:51
I don't know what you mean by 'completion'. I am older buy very white and blonde, they never rejected me, but of the 4 clubs you mention above, I have only been to Avalon. Make no mistake, beautiful women are a worldwide commodity, like gold. They know it since they are 11 years old. They are always expensive, but in Kiev they are less expensive because of the economy. They are not stupid, they know how to manipulate you and extract everything they can. Top girls cost top dollars, they always have men willing and able to pay for it. You may want to go down a notch or two, and you will get a lot more satisfaction and less greed.
Cubanito, as long as you keep to the center of Kiev, and out of the streets by midnight, or in company, I think you will be fine. Don't worry. Don't read more than what I wrote in these lines.By completion are you like Andy Garcia, Luis Miguel, Alex Rodriquez type of skin or are you like David Ortiz from The Boston Red Sox. Which way does your skin color goes to?
El Cubanito
05-12-12, 18:59
Patipa is a very young crowd, Shooters is a little older crowd but still lot's of students, Decadence is closed, Avalon is a D'Lux wannabee. I used to go there weekly but they remodelled the place and tried an "exclusive" policy. Not sure they got the crowds back.Thanks for the input Irish lad. I have attached some pic of the way I dress. If any of them is not cool for the above clubs, please let me know.
El Cubanito
05-12-12, 19:03
Thanks for your report. I heard an experience like yours from dozens of men. This looks like to a description of a great theatrical drama: different people see different details. I think your brain prefers to remember some details instead of some others.
In my statistics, a real hardcore prostitute and her business have very different rules. If a man shows her how much he is a gentleman for just a minute, then he is ruined: she wants more money, she provides less services, she becomes into a bad attitude. Seduction with a prostitute is a harakiri.
And sex is not a pussy only. And anal is a duty. And 99% girls are not able to a good blowjob: a girl should never touch the penis with hands. Since I understood what is the art of sex (and I got rid of mass conformism) , I consider sex is not a pussy only and a pussy only is not sex.
And I think Dominican girls have a different attitude in comparison of Western girls and Eastern European girls. And, in general, the "gentleman style" never works good for sufficient results. I think in 4 billions of girls in the world and for the law of large numbers, you came across a favorable case for some time. I see real womanizers, who get lasting results, are lovely but also they don't care about anybody. It depends what do you mean for seduction. It seems seduction never means a real feeling for both man and woman. And I always call it as prostitution.It all depends on the chick you are with, but rip your heart girls I try to stay away. Yes you are right Dominican girls, or latin girls for that matter are softer. But I have also met some Colombiana in Cartagena that just right awful attitude. So yes I have seen my fare share of bad girls, but in general this type of treatment work for them I have found out.
Thanks for the input Irish lad. I have attached some pic of the way I dress. If any of them is not cool for the above clubs, please let me know.Honestly, dressing with a suit in a club will make you stand out like a sore thumb (a sex-hungry tourist with no taste). And picture number two is IMO just totally "peasant's Sunday best". You should dress up FASHIONABLY and nice. Don't overdue the primping.
My recipe is to be fashionable, look like I have money but am not obsessed with it, and stay manly (no emblazoned clothes with designer names which just scream out that the wearer is a try hard faker). Something like stylish vintage Diesel jeans, a nice labeled belt, a dark Zegna shirt, and Berluti shoes does the trick. The expensive eye-catching watch is also a magnet for girls, as, if you need it (I do) , fashionable optical glasses, and in this respect, nothing can beat Barton Perreira or Dita Eyewear.
Sorry for being that specific, but chasing girls in FSU is a serious and demanding job (smilie).
Thanks for your report. I heard an experience like yours from dozens of men. This looks like to a description of a great theatrical drama: different people see different details. I think your brain prefers to remember some details instead of some others.
In my statistics, a real hardcore prostitute and her business have very different rules. If a man shows her how much he is a gentleman for just a minute, then he is ruined: she wants more money, she provides less services, she becomes into a bad attitude. Seduction with a prostitute is a harakiri.
And sex is not a pussy only. And anal is a duty. And 99% girls are not able to a good blowjob: a girl should never touch the penis with hands. Since I understood what is the art of sex (and I got rid of mass conformism) , I consider sex is not a pussy only and a pussy only is not sex.
And I think Dominican girls have a different attitude in comparison of Western girls and Eastern European girls. And, in general, the "gentleman style" never works good for sufficient results. I think in 4 billions of girls in the world and for the law of large numbers, you came across a favorable case for some time. I see real womanizers, who get lasting results, are lovely but also they don't care about anybody. It depends what do you mean for seduction. It seems seduction never means a real feeling for both man and woman. And I always call it as prostitution.I completely disagree (might be true for very cheap prostitutes)
I have experience not only one time paying a pro for one hour. She did stay the whole night, next morning a smile, kiss and thank me for a great evening / night.
Even there was other clients calling several times.
Why dose this happen to me sometimes?
I smile, make a good conversation, give money first minute she enters the rom and make her feel like a normal lady.
ps taking about EE dievuskas.
Patipa is a very young crowd, Shooters is a little older crowd but still lot's of students, Decadence is closed, Avalon is a D'Lux wannabee. I used to go there weekly but they remodelled the place and tried an "exclusive" policy. Not sure they got the crowds back.Irish, by the way, have you been to the Petrovitch's Kiev branch?
It's the best Moscow's best well hidden secret to score successful MILFs / successful young professionals, and I wonder if it is the same in Kiev. In Moscow it's a member-only club though.
Member #4491
05-12-12, 23:55
Barba, as you obviously didn't read what I wrote to you, let me simplify it.Sorry, LJ it got lost in all the text here. Please bare in mind that English is not even my second language so sometimes I get confused with all the words. I will be more cautious next time I read your creations. I have been touching the fact that I have unfavorable experiences of female sex workers from strip clubs but I can only interpret your posts as if you have finally found the once city (or perhaps club) in the world where the hard core hookers in a strip club still have a sweet GFE personality, at least with the same distribution as the rest of society. Great news! Thank you for sharing this, because this is sort of a dream. 9s and 10s who works in the sex industry and still display no dents from this harsh environment are quite rare if you look at a global scene. It requires quite a lot from a girl to dance all night and then fuck a new guy every night, and still be able to connect like a real girlfriend. I am glad that such a paradise exists. Once again, thank you LJ for sharing this extraordinary information. Now I think we will really see some lemming trails to this country (and club). Blink.
Barba
I just found a new escort agency.
Directors-escorts. Com
Also there is one interesting agency called jamqueens. Com their web page does not work if you try to open it from Ukraine. It is not easy to get access from them also. Anybody used their service? They emailed me pictures of girls I met before through other agencies so the pictures of girls should be real. They frequently change password to access their webpage and it is a pain in the ass to convince them to get the new one all the time. If anyone has their current password, please let me know.
This is suspicious, to say the least. Why all this secrecy? I just repeat what I said long time ago: Don't send money to smeone you have not met. I don't know anything about this establishments, but scam has many faces, asking for advance payment (reservation) is one of them. I can tell you.
I just found a new escort agency.
Directors-escorts. Com
Also there is one interesting agency called jamqueens. Com their web page does not work if you try to open it from Ukraine. It is not easy to get access from them also. Anybody used their service? They emailed me pictures of girls I met before through other agencies so the pictures of girls should be real. They frequently change password to access their webpage and it is a pain in the ass to convince them to get the new one all the time. If anyone has their current password, please let me know.
BlackMagic777
05-13-12, 11:18
I don't know what you mean by 'completion'. I am older buy very white and blonde, they never rejected me, but of the 4 clubs you mention above, I have only been to Avalon. Make no mistake, beautiful women are a worldwide commodity, like gold. They know it since they are 11 years old. They are always expensive, but in Kiev they are less expensive because of the economy. They are not stupid, they know how to manipulate you and extract everything they can. Top girls cost top dollars, they always have men willing and able to pay for it. You may want to go down a notch or two, and you will get a lot more satisfaction and less greed.
Cubanito, as long as you keep to the center of Kiev, and out of the streets by midnight, or in company, I think you will be fine. Don't worry. Don't read more than what I wrote in these lines.I am African American and I actually been here in Kiev for 1 month and will be here for 2 more months. I have wesley snipes complexion (very dark) but like to think I have a really cool style when it comes to fashion. Pedro was right in the sense of not walking by yourself at night out of crowded areas downtown and nearby clubs or bars. Now granted I will be honest. I have only been out 1 time since I have been here and that was to TGI Fridays with a puerto rican friend of mines. I got stares from women but none in which I could actually decipher and I kept walking. I chose not to speak cause I figured they either did not speak english or would not speak to me in fear of ukranian men watching them or something. (that was my reasoning). Now I could have been wrong but if you step out. You will get stares from men also (some good, some bad). In reality no one on this site can tell you what people think about you because they are not black. Now they can go off what women may tell them or darker complexion friends they may have went out with. Climax kindly gave me pointers also as to what to expect here and you get mixed reviews. Some guys here will say ukranian women love darker complexion guys because you would be considered exotic, some guys will tell you ukranian women may or may not talk to you. I decided to use mamba and banged 2 chicks. Both about 6 or 7 in my book, but they were both freebies simply because they were fascinated with black men. I got a few messages from women who said they are not into black men so it's a toss up. While you are in town. Let me know and I may hang with you. Granted I have not stepped foot in a single club or bar except TGI Fridays. I am still earning this place
Thanks for the input Irish lad. I have attached some pic of the way I dress. If any of them is not cool for the above clubs, please let me know.All fine for "face control" at least. For pulling chicks, it's important to remain in your zone. If it's what you wear then stick with it. Cruiser D in smart casual and Hunter Dave in a suit just wouldn't work for either of them.
Tonight in Shooters, Irish Lad will be wearing 501's from Levis, T-Shirt from M&S, a watch from Casio and shoes from Generic & Co. Chances of success?
Irish, by the way, have you been to the Petrovitch's Kiev branch?
It's the best Moscow's best well hidden secret to score successful MILFs / successful young professionals, and I wonder if it is the same in Kiev. In Moscow it's a member-only club though.Never even heard of it. I see it's in Podol, I'll check it out and revert.
In reality no one on this site can tell you what people think about you because they are not black.There are a few black members here, and many have previously asked the forum questions about racism etc in Ukraine and the girls attitude to black men. You have answered well some of those questions. Non blacks aren't qualified to fully respond as you point out although, as a resident here and having met some Non black members here, I have witnessed a small amount of discrimination from a minority of people.
I was in Maidan a few years back with Roger Rabbit from this forum, an English man of Indian descent who suddenly excaped in to a bar. When he came back out I asked if was ok,"sure he replied, just a gang of skinheads passed through". Now, in a million years and it being the 21st century, I would never have thought that the centre of Kiev, in the middle of the day was a dangerous place, but Roger Rabbit was concerned.
That level of racism is restricted to just that right wing element I believe. There is however discrimination evident everywhere. No ugly girls allowed in to most clubs, no sneakers in to D'Lux and certainly no drunks allowed anywhere. I see comments here that Shooters don't let non whites in but there are plenty inside, so maybe arriving in sneakers, half pissed with a bad attitude may have something to do with it.
When Air France delays my luggage for three days (happened to me twice) I still don't have problem pulling the girls in my travel wear or with an outfit I bought at the Tommy Hilfger's in Mandrin Plaza. I think I am the only person in Kiev who has ever worn khakis.
You still wear a watch? How 1990's. .
A girl I met and tagged on my last trip to Kiev arrived in my home city to work on a student girl visa for the summer. She want's to know if I'll show her and her two friends around, sounds expensive and fun. .
All fine for "face control" at least. For pulling chicks, it's important to remain in your zone. If it's what you wear then stick with it. Cruiser D in smart casual and Hunter Dave in a suit just wouldn't work for either of them.
Tonight in Shooters, Irish Lad will be wearing 501's from Levis, T-Shirt from M&S, a watch from Casio and shoes from Generic & Co. Chances of success?
Ukraine is a nation of daddy's girls (those who have a good real daddy or those completely without one) and baby likes daddy in a suit. .
A man in a suit is a serious man, know who your targeted audience is.
What 'rules' are you breaking when you are 40+ and macking 20 year olds at a nightclub anyway?
Honestly, dressing with a suit in a club will make you stand out like a sore thumb (a sex-hungry tourist with no taste). And picture number two is IMO just totally "peasant's Sunday best". You should dress up FASHIONABLY and nice. Don't overdue the primping.
Haven't heard any of my girls say anything positive about the 'new' Avalon.
I mentioned to you this before about Shooter's. I left early one night and was completely amazed by a large crowd of young hot girls waiting to get inside. I always tend to think of Shooter's as clique control rather than face control. I've heard tell of this one guy who has been going there every week for years! .
Pretty much so.
It is quite cruel sometimes. A friend arrived in D'Lux with a girlfriend and the manager stopped him saying "are you sure? We have much better looking girls inside".
No sneakers is standard unless you are me, and dress smartly enough. Cruiser D goes for the suit and tie look, Hunter Dave for the smart casual.
Member #4491
05-13-12, 21:13
LJ, I am humming the immigrant song for you, and then you can maybe figure out approximately where I come from.
Yea, we always have to talk to the girls before we take them home, don't we. There can be bitches everywhere. But I am glad to read that you found many sweet girls in the pay for play venues. If one likes to "hunt" in a hard core prostitution environment, it is always nice if there is some atmosphere and some friendly people. I agree, it can be comfortable to shoot fish in a barrel. One parameter is already taken care of so to speak. You can be pretty sure they will f*ck you unless you smell or are a bastard. The parameter of what they will do is almost always a trade off with girls who took the step and publicly works as prostitutes. They will for sure almost always have some "rule" that their imaginary pride or health are hung up on. But we horny dogs can take that as long as they are friendly or pretend to be friendly at least. I will remember to talk to the girl next time I get a lap dance. Will be tough but the things we do not put ourselves through to have some variation in the barba-burgers we dive in to. A newfound friend told me you can either touch the girl up or wank off in the dance boot. The napkins in the one boot I had a dance in, during my visit to Kiev, indicates that not everyone go for touching the female. I tried to do a little bit of both and no alarm went off. I forgot the name of that club but the girl was pretty. An 8. 36 in my book. Blink.
In shooters I met a couple of very friendly girls. I do not think they where hard core pros because we where dancing and partying all night. I was drained and normally do not like to fuck after a bottle of vodka anyway, but got some numbers that I did not follow up on properly. I love the hunt. Woff. Since some speak of skin color here, it seems like they sometimes will refuse entry for people with darker skin and hair. But I would still try Shooters because it is great fun. Vodka bar is more edgy with more drunk, young Ukraine boys but still good fun. My ISG buddy almost got into a fight over a female but a knight saved him before it got serious. Later the same Ukrainian guys where fighting someone else, and then choose to take a punch at the guards so I imagine at least the little cocky prick where in sever pain after the six guards where done.
This was the view that kept me dancing, even after the bottles started to fly all around us. Nice girl with sexy moves but Barba and his agent buddy slipped and failed with her and her big tit friend. Anyone else know them?
B.
I am African American and I actually been here in Kiev for 1 month and will be here for 2 more months. I have wesley snipes complexion (very dark) but like to think I have a really cool style when it comes to fashion. Pedro was right in the sense of not walking by yourself at night out of crowded areas downtown and nearby clubs or bars. Now granted I will be honest. I have only been out 1 time since I have been here and that was to TGI Fridays with a puerto rican friend of mines. I got stares from women but none in which I could actually decipher and I kept walking. I chose not to speak cause I figured they either did not speak english or would not speak to me in fear of ukranian men watching them or something. (that was my reasoning). Now I could have been wrong but if you step out. You will get stares from men also (some good, some bad). In reality no one on this site can tell you what people think about you because they are not black. Now they can go off what women may tell them or darker complexion friends they may have went out with. Climax kindly gave me pointers also as to what to expect here and you get mixed reviews. Some guys here will say ukranian women love darker complexion guys because you would be considered exotic, some guys will tell you ukranian women may or may not talk to you. I decided to use mamba and banged 2 chicks. Both about 6 or 7 in my book, but they were both freebies simply because they were fascinated with black men. I got a few messages from women who said they are not into black men so it's a toss up. While you are in town. Let me know and I may hang with you. Granted I have not stepped foot in a single club or bar except TGI Fridays. I am still earning this placeI understand what your saying here about women possibly being afraid to talk to you for fear of ukranian men being annoyed or whatever, but for what its worth I'm in Thailand 4 months of the year, and Thailand is full of Russian / ukrainians and they are often hand in hand with black guys / indians / arabs you name it, so to me I think your right in what you say, they are interested but afraid.
It is really funny with these taxis in Kiew. And somtimes tragic. Firstly, it is difficult to find english-speaking driver. Secondly, every car is a possible taxi. All over town, day and night, there are men sitting in cars, and if you approach them, they will ask you: Taxi? Thirdly, there is the price. I sometimes think the distance is totally irrelevant. Therefore, I always negotiate the price beforehand, even if I speak almost no Russian. Just name some hotel, restaurant, bar they know, and they will give you price. Minimum 40 for a foreigner. Now they are starting to demand 200 at night. Even the hookers were shocked and wanted another. If you find english speaking driver at night, he may want to take you to some clubs or saloons, he may also want to take care of all your trips. I once had and lost a tel number which I could call for taxi, english speaking, and he would tell me the exact and totally fair and cheap price (compared to street-prices) , and also tell me how long I would have to wait for the taxi to arrive. Does anyone know this? Fourthly, in the heat of the summer, like beginning of May, I would accept everything below 81 uah, but demand air conditioning. And don't be surpized, I find the drivers can have very creative navigation skills, especially around Maidan with its one-way-streets. Coming to Kiev for the first time, I don't regret that I had ordered a transfer from my landlord. Of course it is possible to negotiate with the drivers on site, but I am sure this was cheaper in the end. In this forum, someone mentioned a bus or some other transportation. Flying to Zhelany has made this a lot simpler.
DoctorOral
05-14-12, 09:41
Look. Plese do not do this! Learn Russian numbers for taxi, do NEVER pay more than 50 unless going to the airport!
We need to keep it real, so HELP, all of you!
It is really funny with these taxis in Kiew. And somtimes tragic. Firstly, it is difficult to find english-speaking driver. Secondly, every car is a possible taxi. All over town, day and night, there are men sitting in cars, and if you approach them, they will ask you: Taxi? Thirdly, there is the price. I sometimes think the distance is totally irrelevant. Therefore, I always negotiate the price beforehand, even if I speak almost no Russian. Just name some hotel, restaurant, bar they know, and they will give you price. Minimum 40 for a foreigner. Now they are starting to demand 200 at night. Even the hookers were shocked and wanted another. If you find english speaking driver at night, he may want to take you to some clubs or saloons, he may also want to take care of all your trips. I once had and lost a tel number which I could call for taxi, english speaking, and he would tell me the exact and totally fair and cheap price (compared to street-prices) , and also tell me how long I would have to wait for the taxi to arrive. Does anyone know this? Fourthly, in the heat of the summer, like beginning of May, I would accept everything below 81 uah, but demand air conditioning. And don't be surpized, I find the drivers can have very creative navigation skills, especially around Maidan with its one-way-streets. Coming to Kiev for the first time, I don't regret that I had ordered a transfer from my landlord. Of course it is possible to negotiate with the drivers on site, but I am sure this was cheaper in the end. In this forum, someone mentioned a bus or some other transportation. Flying to Zhelany has made this a lot simpler.
El Cubanito
05-14-12, 12:04
I understand what your saying here about women possibly being afraid to talk to you for fear of ukranian men being annoyed or whatever, but for what its worth I'm in Thailand 4 months of the year, and Thailand is full of Russian / ukrainians and they are often hand in hand with black guys / indians / arabs you name it, so to me I think your right in what you say, they are interested but afraid.To be more precise in Pattaya, Thailand I met a brother at a McDonalds who was there with 2 ukrainian girls in his arm. I flirted a little with one of them and when he came back from the bathroom we talked and I sat to eat with them. When they were done, the one I was flirting with left her pocketbook (I think she did it on purpose). Anyway we chatted some more and she gave me her cell number. We hooked up later that day on the beach by Soi 7 and we had a great, great afternoon and evening. She lives over there in Thailand. I wish I had taken a picture, but no I did not. Meeting her in Thailand last year is one of the reason why I am going to the Ukraine.
El Cubanito
05-14-12, 12:11
Well, depends of the suit. An 1500€ Roberto Cavalli, Pal Zileri or Zegna suit (slim cut, straight pants, two buttons, ect) and a 500$ out of date three buttons suit with pleat-front pants (or worse, cuffs) are two very different things. Slavic girls are VERY fashion-conscious and are very good at jauging what you wear (and very fast to write you off if they judge that you are cheap and has-been).
Recently I bumped into the photo galleries of the famous "romance tours in Ukraine" organized for yanks by Anastasia dot com (or something alike) and I ROTFLOL just to see how most of the guys were dressed, that is with outmoded and cheap suits.
Anyway, I don't imagine myself wearing a suit in a club, but as usual, to each its own.I looked at the Shooters website and everybody was dress pretty casual so I have a very good Ideal.
Member #4491
05-14-12, 13:09
Why did you not take a taxi? Safety issues? What is going on with these taxi drivers.They will not kill you. Bargain a bit and just get into the cab. Ukraine is not such a bad country as some guys make it sound. All in all, these are good people. More honest than many other nationalities I came across. They will however often try to increase the price. Over charge you, just like cops. Stand your ground and know your rights / what is right, and you will be fine. It can be good to learn how to say 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 and 70 as well as "deal". When it comes to cops it is a matter of defending you rights. Ask anyone from Ukraine that you get a honest relation with, and they will confirm this. This is not a lawless society, in that ultra corrupt African or South American sense. People know what is the right thing to do, and they know that they can get into trouble if they harass tourists or citizen.
Why don't you try the bus from the airport? It is an interesting experience to ride with a bus full of locals. Took me 12 sec to Google info on what bus to use. Cost you 10% of a taxi ( 25 grivnas) , but the main benefit is that you get to see a bit of the everyday life of people when you commute with public transportation. Subway cost about 2 gremlins.
Barba
Member #4491
05-14-12, 13:19
Sad to see how so many here are discussing how to impress on the females with these shoes or that brand of clothes. Sure it is fine to dress well and feel like a winner, but get some self esteem guys. A monthly salary for a teacher is 200 USD. No need to wear Armani unless your ego needs this to be able to talk to a girl. And of you are trying to impress prostitutes with your clothes, you are in serious need of some coaching.
Either I was warped to another Ukraine, or guys here believe all the shit these girls try to fill them with. Take command and be a positive and interesting guy, and you can wear almost whatever you wish and still meet great girls. ISG is the place where men create fantasy versions of a country, and the need to qualify for the females are always an ingredient in every fantasy incarnation I see.
PedroToronja
05-14-12, 16:36
Honestly, dressing with a suit in a club will make you stand out like a sore thumb (a sex-hungry tourist with no taste). And picture number two is IMO just totally "peasant's Sunday best". You should dress up FASHIONABLY and nice. Don't overdue the primping.
My recipe is to be fashionable, look like I have money but am not obsessed with it, and stay manly (no emblazoned clothes with designer names which just scream out that the wearer is a try hard faker). Something like stylish vintage Diesel jeans, a nice labeled belt, a dark Zegna shirt, and Berluti shoes does the trick. The expensive eye-catching watch is also a magnet for girls, as, if you need it (I do) , fashionable optical glasses, and in this respect, nothing can beat Barton Perreira or Dita Eyewear.
Sorry for being that specific, but chasing girls in FSU is a serious and demanding job (smilie).I agree 100%.
PedroToronja
05-14-12, 16:41
Ok. I can't help the long posts sometimes. What is your native language?
Let's not overstate the case. I have decidedly NOT found the Paradise you describe of "9s and 10s who works in the sex industry and still display no dents from this harsh environment" and "hard core hookers in a strip club still have a sweet GFE personality, at least with the same distribution as the rest of society".
LJLJ, please. You can't stop mentioning at every post the club they say you are a shill for? At first I thought they misrepresented you, but by now it is obvious you are working the social media for them. C'mon, give us a break! Please prove me wrong, don't talk about that club again, and let me apologize to you.
PedroToronja
05-14-12, 16:46
Haven't heard any of my girls say anything positive about the 'new' Avalon.
I mentioned to you this before about Shooter's. I left early one night and was completely amazed by a large crowd of young hot girls waiting to get inside. I always tend to think of Shooter's as clique control rather than face control. I've heard tell of this one guy who has been going there every week for years! .I happen to be the president of a corporation and I dress usually with suit or at least a blazer, nice pants and wear a tie. A girl explained to me that the real rich men in this part of the world DO NOT wear a tie. The people who work for them wear ties. The rich (called oligarchs here) can afford a more casual look. The bottom line, if you dress up to impress, as we do in the West, it is interpreted here (I am in Kiev now) as a want to be.
PedroToronja
05-14-12, 16:49
Well, depends of the suit. An 1500€ Roberto Cavalli, Pal Zileri or Zegna suit (slim cut, straight pants, two buttons, ect) and a 500$ out of date three buttons suit with pleat-front pants (or worse, cuffs) are two very different things. Slavic girls are VERY fashion-conscious and are very good at jauging what you wear (and very fast to write you off if they judge that you are cheap and has-been).
Recently I bumped into the photo galleries of the famous "romance tours in Ukraine" organized for yanks by Anastasia dot com (or something alike) and I ROTFLOL just to see how most of the guys were dressed, that is with outmoded and cheap suits.
Anyway, I don't imagine myself wearing a suit in a club, but as usual, to each its own.The girls can tell we are American because of how sloppy we dress, in general. The most important thing they look, to judge you, are your shoes. I suggest you shine them and keep them very clean. This I was told by them, and more than once.
Me and You
05-14-12, 16:59
I am African American and I actually been here in Kiev for 1 month and will be here for 2 more months.Caribean Club is a mixed, all colours Club. Especially if you are a latin and Dance Latin well. Youu will find many girls jump on you. I saw there many dark skin guys with very pretty ukrainian girls. By the way it is a nice club with international music. And you can find working girls and semi pros girls and freebies if you have a game. My 2 cents.
Good luck
The girls can tell we are American because of how sloppy we dress, in general. The most important thing they look, to judge you, are your shoes. I suggest you shine them and keep them very clean. This I was told by them, and more than once.Advice to the yanks: leave the tassel loafers at home. LOL
CityHunter77
05-14-12, 21:19
Vodka bar is more edgy with more drunk, young Ukraine boys but still good fun. My ISG buddy almost got into a fight over a female but a knight saved him before it got serious. Later the same Ukrainian guys where fighting someone else, and then choose to take a punch at the guards so I imagine at least the little cocky prick where in sever pain after the six guards where done.
This was the view that kept me dancing, even after the bottles started to fly all around us. Nice girl with sexy moves but Barba and his agent buddy slipped and failed with her and her big tit friend. Anyone else know them?
B.Yes, looks familiar, LOL!
El Cubanito
05-14-12, 22:24
I happen to be the president of a corporation and I dress usually with suit or at least a blazer, nice pants and wear a tie. A girl explained to me that the real rich men in this part of the world DO NOT wear a tie. The people who work for them wear ties. The rich (called oligarchs here) can afford a more casual look. The bottom line, if you dress up to impress, as we do in the West, it is interpreted here (I am in Kiev now) as a want to be.When you get a chance and log in can you please give us short report on how is it going for you. I am very interested being latino and all.
It is really funny with these taxis in Kiew. And somtimes tragic. Firstly, it is difficult to find english-speaking driver. Secondly, every car is a possible taxi. All over town, day and night, there are men sitting in cars, and if you approach them, they will ask you: Taxi? Thirdly, there is the price. I sometimes think the distance is totally irrelevant. Therefore, I always negotiate the price beforehand, even if I speak almost no Russian. Just name some hotel, restaurant, bar they know, and they will give you price. Minimum 40 for a foreigner. Now they are starting to demand 200 at night. Even the hookers were shocked and wanted another. If you find english speaking driver at night, he may want to take you to some clubs or saloons, he may also want to take care of all your trips. I once had and lost a tel number which I could call for taxi, english speaking, and he would tell me the exact and totally fair and cheap price (compared to street-prices) , and also tell me how long I would have to wait for the taxi to arrive. Does anyone know this? Fourthly, in the heat of the summer, like beginning of May, I would accept everything below 81 uah, but demand air conditioning. And don't be surpized, I find the drivers can have very creative navigation skills, especially around Maidan with its one-way-streets. Coming to Kiev for the first time, I don't regret that I had ordered a transfer from my landlord. Of course it is possible to negotiate with the drivers on site, but I am sure this was cheaper in the end. In this forum, someone mentioned a bus or some other transportation. Flying to Zhelany has made this a lot simpler.Simply not true what you have said here, prices don't start at 40, I've had taxis for 20 from shooters, to maidan, it all depends on your negotiating skills and how desperate the driver is. Try your luck, plenty of drivers will queue up as your talking, so you can cherry pick the cars.
To be more precise in Pattaya, Thailand I met a brother at a McDonalds who was there with 2 ukrainian girls in his arm. I flirted a little with one of them and when he came back from the bathroom we talked and I sat to eat with them. When they were done, the one I was flirting with left her pocketbook (I think she did it on purpose). Anyway we chatted some more and she gave me her cell number. We hooked up later that day on the beach by Soi 7 and we had a great, great afternoon and evening. She lives over there in Thailand. I wish I had taken a picture, but no I did not. Meeting her in Thailand last year is one of the reason why I am going to the Ukraine.Its Pattaya I'm referring to to be precise, ok, you would have noticed on walking street plenty of Russian / Ukrainians wandering about, and many with black guys. Ok, be safe there my friend.
They will not kill you. Bargain a bit and just get into the cab. Ukraine is not such a bad country as some guys make it sound. All in all, these are good people. More honest than many other nationalities I came across. They will however often try to increase the price. Over charge you, just like cops. Stand your ground and know your rights / what is right, and you will be fine. It can be good to learn how to say 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 and 70 as well as "deal". When it comes to cops it is a matter of defending you rights. Ask anyone from Ukraine that you get a honest relation with, and they will confirm this. This is not a lawless society, in that ultra corrupt African or South American sense. People know what is the right thing to do, and they know that they can get into trouble if they harass tourists or citizen.
Why don't you try the bus from the airport? It is an interesting experience to ride with a bus full of locals. Took me 12 sec to Google info on what bus to use. Cost you 10% of a taxi (25 grivnas) , but the main benefit is that you get to see a bit of the everyday life of people when you commute with public transportation. Subway cost about 2 gremlins.
BarbaI totally agree, the bus from the airport is a great experience, seeing people on the bus and the locals is great to see. Why take a taxi at them prices?
LJ, please. You can't stop mentioning at every post the club they say you are a shill for? At first I thought they misrepresented you, but by now it is obvious you are working the social media for them. C'mon, give us a break! Please prove me wrong, don't talk about that club again, and let me apologize to you.Pedro, if you decide to enter into a conversation between two other people (in this case Barba and I) , at least read what the conversation is about before offering a rebuke. We were talking about the possibility or lack thereof of GFE dates from the strip club, so the topic of the conversation into which you entered makes your comment not logical.
Barba had previously commented about the jaded and bitchy attitude that usually is exhibited by hardened prostitutes, which is the reason he doesn't like the strip club environment as he assumes no GFE would be possible. I responded to him that the concern is true of all Working Girls no matter where one is trying to pick them up, whether it be in a nightclub, or a strip club, or even a mamba. Ru escort coming to you apartment. In all cases, one needs to carefully interview the girl and use all one's mongering skills to try to recognize the signs that the girl is a bad experience waiting to happen, or is the GFE great experience that one hopes for.
In his last post (did you even read it?) he seemed to misunderstand me and gave an exaggerated description of what I was saying, writing that I have found the one place in the world where sexworkers don't become hardened and jaded from their work. I wrote in response to that post, that one shouldn't overstate what I was saying, and I agree undoubtedly some girls are jaded.
Instead, I said, what is important to understand is that one must carefully interview the girl to find out what type of personality she is, and a second point, that you yourself are part of the equation, and if you treat the girl in a sweet and charming fashion, you are more likely to elicit friendly responses from her, a foundation upon which a GFE date might be built. I noted that while I cannot quantify how many girls are in the club who are GFE as a percentage, the fact is that following my method of interviewing the girl and my gut intuition and sense of her vibes, I have rejected and avoided many girls, and chosen only those with whom I felt a very good connection and chemistry with. And so in over a year of taking out dates from the strip club using care and common sense, I have yet to take out a girl who ended up being bitchy to me, and have had consistently GFE results, in the sense of friendliness and fun and good sex, even if in several cases BBBJ (usually included in definition of GFE) was not provided, although the sex was otherwise very good.
My post was about getting GFE, and the importance do so when seeking p4p with Working Girls,
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