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Prosal
06-01-12, 13:04
She pays for the taxi when you go somewhere? So wrong.Seconded. This is against all the rules of male courtesy. Sounds strange anyway, I have never ever met a slavic girl who could endure such a boorish behavior. Weird.

NewMongerer
06-01-12, 14:38
I asked for Ludmilla come to my table, she speaks some English but not good. I thought she is only doing private dances but as I asked her to come with me to my apartment she sayed yes.I will be in Kiev in two weeks and as I read in this forum, Rio is the most easy way to find a hottie.

Go home with me. I also learned, price will be $300 to 400, but there are still some questions, I could not find the answer here till now. Is it necessary, to book private dances before you can go out with a girl? And if so, how much of this dances I have to spend out before I can leave? And is there any chance to find out, who finally will go out? I am afraid I waste a lot of time (and money) for chatting and private dances with girls, they finally will not follow me to my hotel.

Hope you experienced guys can give me some help for that.

Thanks

Jojosun
06-01-12, 19:23
I don't need to grill anyone. Those who can enhance the thread by giving action reports showing in detail where to go, how to seek out or spot WG's, how to approach, how to speak, what to say, etc. Should do so, because it seems otherwise, newbies cannot easily succeed in the regular nightclubs.

LJLJ. Anyone who can't spot WGS in Clubs in KIEv, must be a complete newbie from Salt Lake City UTAH, or a Dumb Ass Retard.

WGS will approach you, or give you the looks.

So very obvious. It doesn't need Action Reports in Detail.

How to Speak, What to Say no diferent from here below. .

http://www.wikihow.com/Pick-Up-a-Girl-in-a-Club

Note Points 11, 12, 13. Be friendly and grease the palm of the Bouncer with 100UAH, and he will sort you out.

I do point 13. Which is the best one, ie a Really Attractive Bubbly Wingwoman and not just in Kiev. It helps a lot if she is BI.

Gave this very obvious tip to Asian Chaos, and he posted later a quick clear success with the WG that his female guide chatted up for him in Buddha Bar.

He posted later that not only he had the WG on the night, but he also banged his beautiful Guide on another night.

But when he was asked to provide the details of his Female Guide and the company that he used, he disappeared from the Kiev Thread.

You are asking leading questions in your detailed report, which I doubt you will ever get straight answers.

Simply because it means then that whoever answers you, have to PUT UP the INFO, including Digits, details etc. Is this your point in the report?

And if she is such a Hottie at the price said, why do they need to post about her.

Here if they don't want to share? You know the answer.

And another question to you. I would really raise my hat 4 you, if I was wearing one for all the time & effort that you put in guiding newbies in Kiev Mongering and the grey area of WGS in normal Clubs and their prices. BUT quite honestly why dp ypu Bother being the KIEV SEX SAMARITAN to everyone here.

I would have summed up what you said in your detailed report in 5 words only.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

And you just carry on enjoying your mongering in the ways and the budget that suit you.

The others can go and find their own pussies.

,

Jojosun
06-01-12, 19:29
I don't need to grill anyone. Those who can enhance the thread by giving action reports showing in detail where to go, how to seek out or spot WG's, how to approach, how to speak, what to say, etc. Should do so, because it seems otherwise, newbies cannot easily succeed in the regular nightclubs.

LJLJ. Anyone who can't spot WGS in Clubs in KIEv, must be a complete newbie from Salt Lake City UTAH, or a Dumb Ass Retard.

WGS will approach you, or give you the looks.

So very obvious. It doesn't need Action Reports in Detail.

How to Speak, What to Say no diferent from here below. .

http://www.wikihow.com/Pick-Up-a-Girl-in-a-Club

Note Points 11, 12, 13. Be friendly and grease the palm of the Bouncer with 100UAH, and he will sort you out.

I do point 13. Which is the best one, ie a Really Attractive Bubbly Wingwoman and not just in Kiev. It helps a lot if she is BI.

Gave this very obvious tip to Asian Chaos, and he posted later a quick clear success with the WG that his female guide chatted up for him in Buddha Bar.

He posted later that not only he had the WG on the night, but he also banged his beautiful Guide on another night.

But when he was asked to provide the details of his Female Guide and the company that he used, he disappeared from the Kiev Thread.

You are asking leading questions in your detailed report, which I doubt you will ever get straight answers.

Simply because it means then that whoever answers you, have to PUT UP the INFO, including Digits, details etc. Is this your point in the report?

And if she is such a Hottie at the price said, why do they need to post about her.

Here if they don't want to share? You know the answer.

And another question to you. I would really raise my hat 4 you, if I was wearing one for all the time & effort that you put in guiding newbies in Kiev Mongering and the grey area of WGS in normal Clubs and their prices. BUT quite honestly why dp ypu Bother being the KIEV SEX SAMARITAN to everyone here.

I would have summed up what you said in your detailed report in 5 words only.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

And you just carry on enjoying your mongering in the ways and the budget that suit you.

The others can go and find their own pussies.

,

Jojosun
06-01-12, 19:51
BTW, how do you manage 1200 girls numbers on your smartphone?

I have barely 100 girls numbers and I already get lost among a good dozen of Tatianas, some 10 Ksenias, a big handfull of Evgenias, ect. I can't imagine how I could handle 12 x more.The Answer My Friend Is Blowing In The Wind. LOL

LilJoey
06-01-12, 20:49
I will be in Kiev in two weeks and as I read in this forum, Rio is the most easy way to find a hottie.

Go home with me. I also learned, price will be $300 to 400, but there are still some questions, I could not find the answer here till now. Is it necessary, to book private dances before you can go out with a girl? And if so, how much of this dances I have to spend out before I can leave? And is there any chance to find out, who finally will go out? I am afraid I waste a lot of time (and money) for chatting and private dances with girls, they finally will not follow me to my hotel.

Hope you experienced guys can give me some help for that.

ThanksYou claim you could not find the answer to the questions you ask. Did you read any of my reports from last year where it is all laid out for you? In the Reports of Distinction thread there are references to my reports on Rio where everything is explained. Do yourself a favor and don't be lazy. Read the thread going back at least to March of last year until now before you get to Kiev, and copy paste info you think I'd good into a summary document for you to refer to later.

Because the "interview" process with a p4p girl is so important to the outcome of a getting a good GFE experience, versus getting a bad experience, and applies anywhere (whether you are speaking with a p4p girl you summoned from mamba. Ru, or met in a nightclub, or you are trying to take out a dancer from a strip club) , and because you seem a bit clueless and in desperate need of guidance, I will give you some pointers, but at the same time say, there is no substitute to doing your homework and reading the thread back into at least last year.

The simple answer to your question is that how many private dances you choose to take with how many girls, is entirely up to. You can spend as little or as much as you want on private dances. The reason you might want to have any private dances, aside from its entirely entertainment value, is to check out how the girl responds to you and if she has a good chemistry with you.

You are thinking of taking her home, right? You are hoping for a GFE great experience, right? How do you know in advance how the girl will be with you later when you get her back to your apartment? You have to guess. That is why all the tools you have at your disposal to see what kind of girl she is and whether she has sexual "chemistry" with you are very important. The "interview" process with a p4p (pay for play) girl is extremely important.

So in addition to talking with her at your table and seeing if she is a friendly enough person, you also need to ask questions of her designed to give you information that will help you make a decision about guessing whether she will be a good experience. All this should precede taking her for a private dance. In the private dance you will also be able to test whether she lets you touch her at least in some places or if she is stand-off-ish and doesn't let you touch her at all. I always try to kiss her nipples and see if my tongue's ministrations can arouse her, while at the same time, if she does moan in arousal, try to brush my fingers across the part of her bikini under which her pussy is. If she lets, it's usually sure fire indication that she is into me and a good experience might ensue if I take her home.

You can use the services of the manager in each bar to help you avoid wasting time also. You can simply ask if a girl is dancer only, or if she goes out, or whether she speaks any English. If you don't want to bother the manager, you can get up and ask the girl her name and if she speaks any English while she is dancing on the pole. But don't talk too much with a girl, if you're not going to tip her at least 50 UAH, if it's a girl you are thinking of trying with. Asking if she is dancer only can be accomplished either directly, or through the manager, or while she sits at your table, your choice. The question is whether you should ask if she goes out before or after a private dance. I have had it occur more than one time that a very hot girl that I really wanted, at first said that she would not go out, and then after I resignedly took her into the private dance because I wanted to enjoy at least something from this sexy girl, and I did my tit sucking pussy fondling magic on her (gently and always with respect) it seems she changed her mind. She said later that she saw that I really liked her. I like to think that it was also because she saw I could turn her on. Anyway, the choice is yours.

Good luck,

LJ

Jojosun
06-01-12, 20:52
BTW, how do you manage 1200 girls numbers on your smartphone?Easy. Become Delusional. And if you believe that, then you will believe any (Load Of Old Cobblers) thrown at you by Boring Old Farts.

Jojosun
06-01-12, 20:58
BTW, how do you manage 1200 girls numbers on your smartphone?Become Delusional. And if you believe that, then you will believe any (Load Of Old Cobblers) Thrown at you by Old Boring Farts. LOL

Kirch
06-01-12, 22:12
Let's start from entrance. You enter Rio and have 3 options as they have 3 floors. One in the basement where you enter and 2 upstairs. Upstairs they have a bar and table area as well as VIP area. In the basement another table area. Right now for me the best one is in the basement if you look for the slim young ones. But once you have choosen your area you can walk around to find out by yourself. So if a Manager comes to pick you up once you entered it`s always good to give him 50. 100 griwna in order to get your own sofa / table and better attention. If you like a girl who is dancing you ask the manager if you can speak to her. After she has finished dancing she will come to your table. As far as I know the first 2-3 songs she seats at your table for free but it's always good to invite her for a drink (not expensive). After 2-3 songs she will be asked by someone to continue dancing and either she goes back or you pay 100 griwna to stay at your table. You don't need to invite her for a private dance! After chatting for a while you ask her if she wants to come with you and either she says yes and you pay USD 300 for 3 hrs to get her out or she says she is only doing private dances (means she doesn't like you or she is not doing take outs at all).

That's it. On the bill will appear another 100 griwna entrance fee you have to pay anyways.

Food and drinks are far cheaper than in European strip clubs. I always have Bacardi Cola and it's about 50 griwna.


I will be in Kiev in two weeks and as I read in this forum, Rio is the most easy way to find a hottie.

Go home with me. I also learned, price will be $300 to 400, but there are still some questions, I could not find the answer here till now. Is it necessary, to book private dances before you can go out with a girl? And if so, how much of this dances I have to spend out before I can leave? And is there any chance to find out, who finally will go out? I am afraid I waste a lot of time (and money) for chatting and private dances with girls, they finally will not follow me to my hotel.

Hope you experienced guys can give me some help for that.

Thanks

Kirch
06-01-12, 22:14
Just just don't get my point (but anyways will never do) just a joke.

SHE wants to show me that she likes me and pays for the taxi or at least she wants to! May be you don't know this kind of girls. Good education etc. Again, just a joke.


Seconded. This is against all the rules of male courtesy. Sounds strange anyway, I have never ever met a slavic girl who could endure such a boorish behavior. Weird.

JerseyGuy123
06-01-12, 23:49
I will be in Kiev in two weeks and as I read in this forum, Rio is the most easy way to find a hottie.

Go home with me. I also learned, price will be $300 to 400, but there are still some questions, I could not find the answer here till now. Is it necessary, to book private dances before you can go out with a girl? And if so, how much of this dances I have to spend out before I can leave? And is there any chance to find out, who finally will go out? I am afraid I waste a lot of time (and money) for chatting and private dances with girls, they finally will not follow me to my hotel.

Hope you experienced guys can give me some help for that.

ThanksPrivate lap dance is not mandatory for take out nor buying drinks for dancers. Private dances cost $25 for 2 songs and most time you could interview dancers for possible take out without buying any drinks. I suggest going there before 10pm, and weekdays.

I personally like to get a lap dances to get some clue on their performance once they are on your bed. I also enjoy getting lap dances from strippers, so it was no brainer for me. From my experiences in Rio, laps dances vary greatly from dancers to dancers. I took out a dancer who gave me an awsome private dance and she was also hot as hell. 8+ and she didn't disappoint once she was in my apartment, one of the my best experience with WG. I also was with couple a guys who has been in Rio quite a few times and non them got lap dances before taking a girl out. As I said on my previous report, Kiev is quite expensive for newbie, especially if you don't have 1800 numbers in your Android phone like Cruiser D, and prefer to have sex with above average looking girls. I could only wonder what kind of mutant looking girls are in his 1800 list in his phone.

Jerseyguy

Prosal
06-02-12, 03:07
May be you don't know this kind of girls. Good education etcYou're talking out of your ass. One of my long-term Russian GFs has a Master of international law and is teacher at MGU. Another one is executive for Merck Moscow. Another one is sales manager at the most luxurious 5 stars hotel in St Pitersburg. Another one is divorced from a well-know oligarch. Ect.

LilJoey
06-02-12, 09:44
1. I was in Vodka Bar and Shooters and the only thing missing from many wgs was a green sign around the neck stating the price.

2. So despite my limited experience of Kiev in specific, my tip to you LJ is not try to "recognize them" but to talk to them. All of them, one after another. Smile and ask "are you a girl that like some fun or are you more the conservative type that likes a long term relationship with a man?".

3. Good luck in exploring new and fun grounds where you do not only hunt lions that are sedated and placed on the savanna the night before you arrive with your sperm-gun.

4. If you are incapable of talking to unsedated females, I suggest you sedate yourself with some vodka instead. Better to get up on the horse a bit drunk, than to walk all your life.

B.Some great lines and good advice. Thank you.

1. A great line, but my experience on one foray to D'lux on a Saturday night in early 2011 was more like Poker Player 2's experience. I looked around the D'lux dance club for unattached females and looked for some clues they might be Working Girls, and it was not at all obvious to me. Is it possible there were no WG's there the night of my visit? Very unlikely. Although admittedly I spent most of my time trying to hit on girls on the circumference of the dance floor, and I have understood that I should have been hanging around the bar area more. Nevertheless, I did make several circuits through the bar area and was obviously unattached and looking, and no WG brought herself to my attention. So it seems that unexciting outcomes like what happened to Poker Player 2 on the date he posted about, or to myself in the visit to D'lux I just described, can happen. Believe me I am observant enough to know what a WG on the make looks like, and had no problem spotting them at Buddha Bar. So your advice to simply begin hitting on all girls with a differentiator line that will give any WG an opportunity to respond, is good advice, although it sounds like a lot of work.

2. See above.

3. A great line that I am savoring each time I read it, and then laughing at myself, the Great Hunter. LOL.

4. A nicely turned phrase, and solid advice that I've been following to get the edge off at any setting that involves hitting on hit girls in a social setting, where a man faces the risk of rejection.

LJ

LilJoey
06-02-12, 10:13
LJ. Anyone who can't spot WGS in Clubs in KIEv, must be a complete newbie from Salt Lake City UTAH, or a Dumb Ass Retard.

WGS will approach you, or give you the looks.

So very obvious. It doesn't need Action Reports in Detail.

How to Speak, What to Say no diferent from here below. .

http://www.wikihow.com/Pick-Up-a-Girl-in-a-Club

Note Points 11, 12, 13. Be friendly and grease the palm of the Bouncer with 100UAH, and he will sort you out.

I do point 13. Which is the best one, ie a Really Attractive Bubbly Wingwoman and not just in Kiev. It helps a lot if she is BI.

Gave this very obvious tip to Asian Chaos, and he posted later a quick clear success with the WG that his female guide chatted up for him in Buddha Bar.

He posted later that not only he had the WG on the night, but he also banged his beautiful Guide on another night.

But when he was asked to provide the details of his Female Guide and the company that he used, he disappeared from the Kiev Thread.

You are asking leading questions in your detailed report, which I doubt you will ever get straight answers.

Simply because it means then that whoever answers you, have to PUT UP the INFO, including Digits, details etc. Is this your point in the report?

And if she is such a Hottie at the price said, why do they need to post about her.

Here if they don't want to share? You know the answer.

And another question to you. I would really raise my hat 4 you, if I was wearing one for all the time & effort that you put in guiding newbies in Kiev Mongering and the grey area of WGS in normal Clubs and their prices. BUT quite honestly why dp ypu Bother being the KIEV SEX SAMARITAN to everyone here.

I would have summed up what you said in your detailed report in 5 words only.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

And you just carry on enjoying your mongering in the ways and the budget that suit you.

The others can go and find their own pussies.

U.

, In general I don't perceive of myself as the "Kiev Sex Samaritan" in answering newbies questions. I think that is what being a member of a hobby forum is supposed to be. One is supposed to post their experiences to provide a pool of information for the other forum members, and one who has some experience is supposed to try to be helpful to newer members within reasonable limits of patience. Posters should try to make their posts entertaining and / or informative. I don't like the cat fighting or the ornery approach of some to others that is divisive and counter productive to the purposes of the forum. Why do I bother to be helpful to others? It's in the nature of the forum, as well as that I enjoy writing about and reliving some of my experiences.

As to action reports, I am not asking anyone to give up "digits" or contact information of some hotties they found and may want to keep for themselves. However, I do think that if the pool of information on the thread does not include action reports by members who claim to have gotten dates with hot WG's for $200/2 hrs or less, then a reasonable inference should be drawn that the facts are otherwise.

LJ

Irish Lad
06-02-12, 10:31
"Mid Eastern Girls in Odessa too ". Are you sure?

It begs the question, what the hell are they doing there/

Irish Lad is another expert on the subject and know Odessa well.

It would be interesting to hear their comments on the subject.Yeah, I remember in Odessa meeting several Middle Eastern and Chinese. They are there for different reasons but a pssoible one in this case is some educational reason. You might find there's a reknowned clothes designer academy or something simlar. A few Chinese we met are there to learn Russian. Or so they said)

Irish Lad
06-02-12, 10:43
At about 12:30 Am on Tuesday May 22nd. 2012, I went to Shooters club. I arrived with a taxi and I noticed there were a few girls waiting outside to get in. I was shown unusual respect and courtesy by all the staff at shooters. Security wished me a good evening and the doorman opened the club door and invited me to go in. There is a100 UAH fee to get in and you are given a juice can and a receipt to get either whisky or vodka from the bar inside. I missed the KASSA sign and the hostess sweetly led me to the window to pay. The disco is not large and is terribly crowded. It was previously reported that the bar is owned by some Scottish folks but I have on good authority that it is now owned by a Turkish man called Ozzy! Certainly, our Turkish\Middle Eastern friends appeared to be well represnted in the Disco on this evening. The place if full of young, mostly beautiful girls dressed to impress but perhaps not the most appropriate place for a man of my age. Nevertheless, I tried to engage two different girls in dance and conversation who appeared unattended only to be ignored. I went upstairs to the resturant which I understand has good food but I was not hungry and I also went to the bar downstairs which was mostly empty. I had a beer and was also given a choice of vodka or whiskey. I suggest you go with the whiskey; the Vodka, I did not like. The beer which I paid for appeared to be rather less expensive than other clubs. There are many things I do not get about this club- I am sure that is a function of me being uninformed mostly. There is face control but I saw many girls and boys dressed in Jeans inside. In general, I did not get the fuss about this club. What distinguishes this club for some members, I can not tell.!What distinuishes this club? Tuesday night and terribly crowded.

Ozzie doesn't own the club. Your "good authority" is wrong.

Face control in shooters doesn't mean "Armani". It's a fun club where drunks are excluded.

Cruiser D
06-02-12, 14:57
The names are stored - First Name Age City and SP if she is a semi pro. For example Natsha 21KyivSP or Dasha 20Sevastopol.

A photo of the girl is a must, it pops up when she calls or sms's.

I use ms outlook to flesh out information on the girls I have known for a while. Birthday, etc.

Technology is awesome.

Oh, and that is just my Ukrainian phone. My US phone has around 300 contacts for girls in it. It's a WM 6 phone. Haven't been spending too much time in the US - I need to upgrade.

Not too many girls in my Middle East phone. :(


BTW, how do you manage 1200 girls numbers on your smartphone?

I have barely 100 girls numbers and I already get lost among a good dozen of Tatianas, some 10 Ksenias, a big handfull of Evgenias, ect. I can't imagine how I could handle 12 x more.

Cruiser D
06-02-12, 15:03
On a closely related tangent.

On one hand. What kind of Ukrainian girl would ask you to pay for her taxi (coming and going from a date)? It's just not something a good girl would do.

On the other hand, maybe it's not a big deal assuming it's 50 uah and not 500.

I dunno, it's just not something a serious good Ukrainian girl does, maybe once she is your girlfriend.


Seconded. This is against all the rules of male courtesy. Sounds strange anyway, I have never ever met a slavic girl who could endure such a boorish behavior. Weird.

Cruiser D
06-02-12, 15:03
Go to D'Lux and hook up with a semi pro. You'll have a better time.


I will be in Kiev in two weeks and as I read in this forum, Rio is the most easy way to find a hottie.

Go home with me. I also learned, price will be $300 to 400, but there are still some questions, I could not find the answer here till now. Is it necessary, to book private dances before you can go out with a girl? And if so, how much of this dances I have to spend out before I can leave? And is there any chance to find out, who finally will go out? I am afraid I waste a lot of time (and money) for chatting and private dances with girls, they finally will not follow me to my hotel.

Hope you experienced guys can give me some help for that.

Thanks

Cruiser D
06-02-12, 15:32
Where did all the River Palace girls go? The answer is still the same when I replied to you when you first asked. D'Lux. Why you ignored it then and ignore it now I have no idea, maybe your apartment is right next to Rio and you find it easier to go there.

All the girls weren't towed away with The Boat. They just went to other clubs. Actually they had been rotating with other clubs for quite some time before the Boat went away.


Compared to the regular nightclubs where it was difficult to find a high concentration of hot WG's available for p4p in one spot, it was easy to go fishing in the strip club. And the prices too, were lower at the strip club ($300/3hrs) than what the really hot working girls at the nightclubs were asking ($400 and $500 and sometimes negotiable down to $300/2hrs). And so I lamented the loss of all the River Palace girls and the lack of direction in this thread about where to go and how to best monger in the post- River Palace era in my first post entitled something like "where have all the river palace girls gone?".

Then I focused in on figuring out the way to get the best result at the lowest priced venue where you could see the girls in advance, which was the strip club. This premise that the strip club was the lowest priced venue for high level p4p girls that you could see in advance remained unchallenged in 2011. No one was posting different information about prices. Until about March of 2012 when a vehement opposition to the strip club option was espoused. It was claimed that the strip club was not the cheapest venue, and one should not go there and pay more, when the same or better results could be had in the regular nightclubs. This claim is either factually true or false.

But I took note of the vehemence with which it is stated. Why would anyone lie about such a fact when the truth is easy to discover with time. It is this inference that leads me to assume that he is telling the truth about the prices being lower in the nightclubs and it being better to monger in the nightclubs than in the strip club. Why else the vehemence? It doesn't make sense. So my conclusion is that those who are saying that prices for P4p are lower in the regular nightclubs than in the strip club, really believe what they are saying. So I will give them the benefit of the doubt, until I arrive for my next visit and see for myself where the prices are cheaper and which venue makes it easier and more efficient to find what one is looking for.

All of us can puff a little or even exaggerate sometimes to make a point. If he is relying on his 1200 telephone nUmbers in any way to get girls it would. Of be a fair comparison to what a newbie can expect and can achieve, and this will become apparent over time. So the more mongers that go to the regular nightclubs and post action reports the clearer and more detailed a picture we will have. Let the truth be accepted from the one who says it, whoever he may be.

LJ

Jojosun
06-02-12, 16:24
Just just don't get my point (but anyways will never do)

SHE wants to show me that she likes me and pays for the taxi or at least she wants to! May be you don't know this kind of girls. Good education etc. Again, just a joke.Achtung, Achtung, London Calling.

LOL. You are not Liljoey (The Master Of All Disguises) , with yet another disguise and script, are you.

Climamxnow, Muddy 7, and others have confused me lately, LOL.

I am the one here who gets your point. The kind of girl you are talking about does exist, and she could have fallen for you in a big way. So she settles for a night in with a Pizza and she pays for the taxi.

A beautiful UA girl in KIEV, who as you say was an ex Stripper. And not only you get to Ride her for free, but she pays for you and her for Taxi rides as well.

What a better love story than that. Hey "Gone With The Wind " in KIev.

Not for me though. For a start I don't like to spend a night in Kiev slumped on a sofa eating Pizza for dinner, even with a girl. And secondly I wouldn't let a woman pay for a taxi ride. It will end up costing me more. .

Even the US$300 plus spent at RIO (Which I would never do) would seem a bargain then, LOL.

But on the other hand, if as you say she is of "Good Education " she could be a Conniving, Scheming woman on a mission, disguising herself as if Butter wouldn't melt in her mouth.

These kind of women do exist as well. Every one loves a bargain when they see one,

But it could be a classic case of "Cents Wise Dollars Foolish ". .

BTW. You have a good sense of HUMOR for a German, is it an Acquired one? LOL.

Or is it a case of " I have ways of making you Laugh " LOL.

Auf. Wiedersehen.

Prosal
06-02-12, 16:45
The names are stored. First Name Age City and SP if she is a semi pro. For example Natsha 21KyivSP or Dasha 20Sevastopol.

A photo of the girl is a must, it pops up when she calls or sms's.

I use ms outlook to flesh out information on the girls I have known for a while. Birthday, etc.

Technology is awesome.

Oh, and that is just my Ukrainian phone. My US phone has around 300 contacts for girls in it. It's a WM 6 phone. Haven't been spending too much time in the US. I need to upgrade.

Not too many girls in my Middle East phone. .I only keep the phone numbers of long-term GFs, or "prospects" that I am almost sure to visit within the next months, or of girls with who I have "relationship building" on a large scale. I could have kept many many numbers of one night stands or of girls with who I've had short adventures, but it would have been only to boost my own ego, which I don't need. That said, as usual to each its own.

Jojosun
06-02-12, 20:02
[QUOTE=Jojosun. .

BTW. You have a good sense of HUMOR for a German, is it an Acquired one? LOL.

Or is it a case of " I have ways of making you Laugh " LOL.

Auf. Wiedersehen.[/QUOTE]Kirch, LOL, it is not a case "VEE have Vays of making you Laugh" is it.

No offense intended, but I am in the middle of a Street Party celebrating with thousands of Londoners of all colors and sizes Her Majesty's Diamond Jubilee. Year. .

Everyone is pissed drunk, and in doing this they are taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of every country across the sea and the occean, including my country of Birth across the Atlantic.

Before I sign of for today, When are going to RIO again.

LilJoey
06-02-12, 22:14
Where did all the River Palace girls go? The answer is still the same when I replied to you when you first asked. D'Lux. Why you ignored it then and ignore it now I have no idea, maybe your apartment is right next to Rio and you find it easier to go there.

All the girls weren't towed away with The Boat. They just went to other clubs. Actually they had been rotating with other clubs for quite some time before the Boat went away.Cruiser D, I would not ignore you. In my trips at beginning of 2011, I went straightaways to clubs like Avalon and Buddha Bar, and then when D'lux became a happening place, I went there to check it out too. At the time I wrote about the difficulties I had in finding the p4p WG's at D'lux, and how there were not so many people in general at Avalon at the time I visited, let alone obvious WG's, and how I found some but not very many WG's at Buddha Bar when I went. Later I found out through exchanges and info posted here on the thread that I was probably at Buddha Bar too early in the evening, and at D'lux I had made the mistake of spending too much time on the dance floor area and not enough time at the bar area. So I had an experience at regular nightclubs back in 2011 that was similar to Poker Player 2's experience at Shooters that he recently posted about. Even allowing for these mistakes, it is clear that there was no location where hot WG's were gathering in anything remotely resembling the large numbers they had gathered each night at RP. I was told by a WG from RP whose number I had that many girls had gone to Moscow to ply their trade at pricey places like Night Flight. Wherever they went, they were not evident in the same large numbers they had been at RP.

I point out also that in a lot of posts you are talking about "semi-pros" rather than dedicated p4p WG's. Are we even talking about the same thing? I'm speaking of identifying, approaching and negotiating with "WG's" of the sort one would have found at River Palace.

Perhaps it would be helpful if you explain exactly what you mean by a semi-pro, and the process of identifying, approaching, seducing, negotiating is to be handled with such a type of girl?

I would suppose that the way to recognize a WG, and the approach to talking with her, would be different than the approach used with a "semi-pro" girl, since I am understanding the term "semi-pro" to mean someone who is not a WG and who did not go to the nightclub with the premeditated idea to pick up a guy and fuck him for money, but rather a regular girl who went to the nightclub to simply have fun with her friends, whom one approaches like one approaches any girl and has to "seduce" in the same way as one would have to seduce any regular girl, but that somewhere along the way, in the conversation the idea of having sex comes up, and she agrees, with the spoken or tacit understanding that she will receive some money afterward. Obviously, such a type of "semi-pro" has to be regarded as part of the general pool of females in a nightclub, and approached as such.

So identifying WG's in a nightclub would necessarily be a completely different thing, than trying to get regular girls who turn out to be interested in money, I. E. Semi-pro.

Also the existence of a semi-pro category raises a further inquiry about how to differentiate a semi-pro girl from a regular girl at a nightclub?

The few WG's that I did spot in the nightclubs in 2011 we're also not so hot for the most part. So whatever I found was not an adequate substitute for RP.

And the prices I was being quoted by those WG's whom I thought hot enough to bother talking to were higher than what was possible at RP, where I was usually able to get something good for $200/2hrs.

As for your claim since you began posting again in or about March 2012, that prices of $200/2hours or less are possible with very hot WG's (8+) in the regular nightclubs with not too much difficulty, and very importantly, not too much time, (making it a lower priced venue to monger than the strip clubs) , I have accepted it as a working premise for the time being, and do not ignore you, because I can see no sensible reason for you to have stated this if it weren't so. I have no way of assessing that claim save by ongoing credible action reports by members about their activities and successes in the nightclubs and the rates they report, or when I get a chance to try myself again in the nightclubs on a future visit to Kiev, maybe in September / October.

If you care to, I am sure there is interest in you discussing the courtship of the semi-pro girl, which I surmise make up a significant portion of your numbers in your by now famous Android phone. Including the definition of, how to identify her from among all the other regular girls in a nightclub, the best approach to use to succeed in scoring with her, or getting her to the point of discussing money, after which presumably she can be handled as a WG, etc.

LJ

Cruiser D
06-03-12, 13:54
Pro,

I tap more girls each month I am in Kiev than most guys do in their life (including the keyboard commando's on here). It's not my fault you don't have the skills to juggle or have the same interests as me. Oh, and I never lied about anything, when a girl asks me if I am seeing other girls I reply, Yes I do, want to join? Being with one or two, or ten or twenty girls is unfair. Who am I to deprive the poor girls of the world of Cruiser D.

Is my action in Ukraine as mind numbingly insane as it was when I was in 30's, no. Is it still super awesome, yes.

Could I shed some girls from my phone book, sure. I hope to get it down to 1k. It's not usual for me to drop $500 per month on phone cards while I am in Ukraine.

I thought a Mac Daddy like you in his fur lined 6500e pimp coat understood how the game is played.


I only keep the phone numbers of long-term GFs, or "prospects" that I am almost sure to visit within the next months, or of girls with who I have "relationship building" on a large scale. I could have kept many many numbers of one night stands or of girls with who I've had short adventures, but it would have been only to boost my own ego, which I don't need. That said, as usual to each its own.

Cruiser D
06-03-12, 14:12
LilJoey,

It's funny how you should mention how hard it is to identify Pros and semi pros.

Any girl sitting at the bar by herself is a pro.

Any girl being overly friendly to a 40+ year old foreigner is more than likely a pro or semi pro.

On any night that I go to Shooters I see about 20 or so girls I know to be semi pro's or pro's. Some girls are just out to have a good time. Some girls will like you, date you for free and fuck you for free. Some girls will like you but for $100 they will like you a lot more. It's like that in all the clubs in Kiev, heck. It's like that in most of the clubs of the world. Prostitution is no longer overtly allowed in Shooter and hasn't been for quite some time, the girls are shown the door and banned if caught plying that trade. So all you lunk heads fresh off the plane headed to Shooter's looking for ho's go to D'Lux, Sky Bar, Arena, Vodka Bar.

It is always a case of YMMV, some girls will consider you marriage material, some fun fling material, some a walking ATM and some won't want to talk to you at all for various reasons. Heck, half the girls I dated when I first started coming to Kyiv from websites like elenasmodels were moonlighting as semi pros but they all considered me marriage material so I got to ride for free. 'Hey, Vika, that certainly is a nice $2000 notebook computer you have. How did a girl from Lugansk going to university on a full scholarship in Kyiv afford that? What, you can't meet me tonight because you going out with your friends? Cool, see you tomorrow. ' Do'h.

Prosal
06-03-12, 14:27
I thought a Mac Daddy like you in his fur lined 6500e pimp coat understood how the game is played.I do. Nonetheless I have no proclivity for doing things for the only purpose to boost my own ego, like keeping 1200 girls phone numbers in my smartphone. This kind of thing sounds to me also rather like a sign of some deep self-distrust, but well, I'm not shrink. In fact, I have so much self confidence that what I fancy the most is hitting a new destination WITHOUT any number.

Self grandiosity is seldom flattering, but just for your information about my "game":

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1474-Chisinau&p=438893&viewfull=1#post438893

Jojosun
06-03-12, 16:28
In general I don't perceive of myself as the "Kiev Sex Samaritan" in answering newbies questions. I think that is what being a member of a hobby forum is supposed to be. One is supposed to post their experiences to provide a pool of information for the other forum members, and one who has some experience is supposed to try to be helpful to newer members within reasonable limits of patience. Posters should try to make their posts entertaining and / or informative. I don't like the cat fighting or the ornery approach of some to others that is divisive and counter productive to the purposes of the forum. Why do I bother to be helpful to others? It's in the nature of the forum, as well as that I enjoy writing about and reliving some of my experiences.

As to action reports, I am not asking anyone to give up "digits" or contact information of some hotties they found and may want to keep for themselves. However, I do think that if the pool of information on the thread does not include action reports by members who claim to have gotten dates with hot WG's for $200/2 hrs or less, then a reasonable inference should be drawn that the facts are otherwise.

LJLJ,

If I agreed with you and the others on the above, we'd all be wrong for the folowing reasons.

1. Hot dates with hot WG's can be had for $200/2 hrs or less in normal clubs. It is not just fantasy claims by some members. .

Remember we are talking US200 and not $20.

Problem is that you are asking for "Action Reports " without "Giving Up Digits or Contact Information "

Question will arise what kind of action reports do you want, how to chat them up, how to negotiate, what one does with them in the sack.

And how is this going to help, say an international which I am sure sophisticated monger such as yourself? What tips or Pointers are you going to get out of Action Reports without Digitis and Links.

2. Really its a case of Catch 22 Situation. To prove the claims of hot WG's at the prices stated, one needs exact pointers. .

And to post without them, doesn't mean at all "I do think that if the pool of information on the thread does not include action reports by members who claim to have gotten dates with hot WG's for $200/2 hrs or less, then a reasonable inference should be drawn that the facts are otherwise." As you stated above.

The facts are US$200 / hours is a lot of money to pay for Sex in KIEV, and this is well evidenced by posters here, and not just by one. We are not talking small change.

If one has found hotties and wants to keep for themselves, fair enough and quite reasonable to do and to expect. .

Why should he post specific info on the fruit of his mongering that cost him a lot of effort and money.

But on the other hand just posting Prick Teasing info on actual conquests without specifics, is just Bragging.

I would rather remain silent and be thought a Bragger, than to speak without specifics and remove all doubt. .

LJ. With all due respect to what you are saying here about trying to help newbies into finding the Hot WG's at the best prices $200/2 hours, you are not comparing like for like. Ie between WGs or semi pros in normal clubs and strippers.

What works for one doesn't work for the other monger. .

And the success rate with hot semi pros in clubs, doesn't mean that the other monger will score easily.

This is so obvious.

Best mongers for semi pros in clubs, are the ones who look as if they don't actually need to get laid on the night. .

If I were you, I wouldn't ask for "Action Reports " in clubs, but I would ask for the Poster's Persona and brief details. This will give a much better explanation to your points. .

In conclusion. Your search and research is no closer to finding the Hot Wg's, than when you first started in your First Report here "Where have all the River Palace Girls Gone ".

And the resonable inference that was drawn over time from your posts, is to look for similar quality in RIO. Strip Club.

Whether you enjoy the Lap Dances, the girls, the atmosphere, etc whatever "Shilling "LOL , its your business.

Its your money and your choice. No need really to explain your preferences.

.

Very simple.

Cheers.

Cruiser D
06-03-12, 20:00
Linking some guys report from 6 years ago? Talk about ego issues. Have you been holding that in reserve?

Like I said Pro, going to the hinterlands isn't a big trick. All you have to do is show up, be a westerner foreigner and speak English. You have it easy in that apparently some company pays you to go to these far off destinations.

I ply my skills in Kiev, NYC, Miami, Boston, not in WhereTheFuckIsItStan, who has game, Pro?


I do. Nonetheless I have no proclivity for doing things for the only purpose to boost my own ego, like keeping 1200 girls phone numbers in my smartphone. This kind of thing sounds to me also rather like a sign of some deep self-distrust, but well, I'm not shrink. In fact, I have so much self confidence that what I fancy the most is hitting a new destination WITHOUT any number.

Self grandiosity is seldom flattering, but just for your information about my "game":

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1474-Chisinau&p=438893&viewfull=1#post438893

Prosal
06-04-12, 08:47
I ply my skills in Kiev, NYC, Miami, Boston, not in WhereTheFuckIsItStan, who has game, Pro?You, undoubtedly. Neil Strauss is a clown compared to you. Never such a skilled pick-up artist has explored the FSU territories. From here I hear the 1200 girls of your phonebook desesperately screaming your name as ripping their panties. You're mysterious, magnetic, charismatic, seductive, socially and sexually dominant, sophisticated and educated. A Byronic Hero. A modern Petchorin. Feel better? (rolleyes)

Jojosun
06-04-12, 18:20
Prosal.

You didn't get the message.

It was meant "Plying Skills in Boston, New York City, Miami, Kiev " ie at (TRIVIA NIGHTS ).

And you know what Prizes you win there,"Plying Skills ", Don't You.

1 KIEV at Baboon.

http://www.brickellinfo.com/2011/04/12/trivia-tuesday-at-fado/.Fado In Miami.

http://calendar.boston.com/boston_ma/events/trivia+night. Bell in Hand Tavern, Boston.

hhttp://www.kyivpost.com/news/guide/general/detail/13673/.

ttp://www.brickellinfo.com/2011/04/12/trivia-tuesday-at-fado/.

http://thegaelpubnyc.com/main.html.Gael Pub New York City.

Trendy Londoners call such nights (BOLLOCKS NIGHT ). On a par with Bingo Nights.

YEAh, Loads of Bingo ladies to be pulled and added to a List as well.

Climaxnow
06-04-12, 18:54
You, undoubtedly. Neil Strauss is a clown compared to you. Never such a skilled pick-up artist has explored the FSU territories. From here I hear the 1200 girls of your phonebook desesperately screaming your name as ripping their panties. You're mysterious, magnetic, charismatic, seductive, socially and sexually dominant, sophisticated and educated. A Byronic Hero. A modern Petchorin. Feel better? (rolleyes)First, my apologies to you for my confrontational attitude and lack of understanding when you tried to call out that complete waste of money strip club.

Second, I am not one to support Prosal but some of your talk makes no sense to me. On one side you talk about great pickup skills and then on the other side you talk about women with such low esteem that you directly tell them you are dating others. Any quality in these girls of yours? I just don't get it.

No disrespect, I appreciate your posts.

EasyEase
06-04-12, 21:22
Mamba has changed it's layout and search criteria, if it stays like this, then a very important tool is gone.

Jojosun
06-04-12, 21:39
"Any quality in these 1200 girls of yours? I just don't get it.".

No Quality Stupid.

CherchezFemme
06-05-12, 01:47
Some non-mongering friends and I will be going to the Ukraine this summer, to the beach. Any recommendations on what the best beach towns are? Towns that have hot clubs and lots of girls. Should we look closer to Odessa or closer to Simferopol? Also, any recommendations on nice resorts or hotels? Even expensive hotels and resorts are OK.

Climaxnow
06-05-12, 02:15
Some non-mongering friends and I will be going to the Ukraine this summer, to the beach. Any recommendations on what the best beach towns are? Towns that have hot clubs and lots of girls. Should we look closer to Odessa or closer to Simferopol? Also, any recommendations on nice resorts or hotels? Even expensive hotels and resorts are OK.I would not visit Ukraine for the beaches, I go for the bitches. If you have no language skills, I think you will find yourself lonely unless you look like a rock star.

Member #4274
06-05-12, 06:41
Some non-mongering friends and I will be going to the Ukraine this summer, to the beach. Any recommendations on what the best beach towns are? Towns that have hot clubs and lots of girls. Should we look closer to Odessa or closer to Simferopol? Also, any recommendations on nice resorts or hotels? Even expensive hotels and resorts are OK.

I have heard from my Ukrainian friends that the beaches in the Crimea consist of rock and not ideal for fun. From pictures I see on facebook of them in the Crimea this seens to hold true. Odessa is a more appealing destination as there are better beaches there. However, if hanging at a beach and going to clubs are your thing then I would suggest Bulgaria, from what I have heard and read. It would be a better option, I think.

Jojosun
06-05-12, 09:22
I have heard from my Ukrainian friends that the beaches in the Crimea consist of rock and not ideal for fun. From pictures I see on facebook of them in the Crimea this seens to hold true. Odessa is a more appealing destination as there are better beaches there. However, if hanging at a beach and going to clubs are your thing then I would suggest Bulgaria, from what I have heard and read. It would be a better option, I think..

Very Good Suggestion.

Goden Sands, Sunny Beach, Bulgaria are much Better options.

Bulgaria is one of the cheapest options in Europe.

Clubs, bars, Strip Clubs, you name it.

Don't expect raving Bulgarian beauties, but the Scadinavian Females on Holiday are.

This summer you should get good bargains there.

Very Safe place as well

Stevie69
06-05-12, 11:53
One great part about the defunct River Palace is that on weekends man of the girls were semi-pros: secretaries, nurses, administrative assistants, dentists, students, etc. Lots of babes in the 25-30 range who were otherwise regular pretty girls. Given the locale, it was obvious why they were there, so you were not at any risk of offending anyone by offering money. However, they also kept down the prices. They needed the money, not like the pros who just "liked" the money, and they were willing to be more reasonable. If they liked you, they had no qualms about undercutting the pros. In some ways, they were like any other girl at any other bar in the world, agreeing to a one-night stand, but instead of maybe getting a cab fare home, getting some sex and one week's wages in return. It seems that mix of pros and semi-pros is more difficult to find these days, except maybe at Avalon.

Reiner Otto
06-05-12, 13:50
Some non-mongering friends and I will be going to the Ukraine this summer, to the beach. Any recommendations on what the best beach towns are? Towns that have hot clubs and lots of girls. Should we look closer to Odessa or closer to Simferopol? Also, any recommendations on nice resorts or hotels? Even expensive hotels and resorts are OK.My preference is Evpatoria, on the West Coast. Because of sandy beach (like most part of West Coast) , middle class local tourists (from UA and RF and BY) , good discos. Will be there this year, too. And it is not far from www.kazantip-republic.com

Hotel, high class: http://www.osteuropa-hotels.de/de/hotelDetails-for-Ukraine_Palace-1819.htm

Personally, my favourite is this one:

http://crimeatourburo.ru/en/tour/info/106/

Both hotels close to the action;"Russkoye More" about 200m from the beach.

You might also book an appartment there "on the spot".

Other areas with sandy beaches and busy nightlife are Sudak and Feodossia on the South Coast. But when considering these ones, do NOT book a hotel in the centre, because too noisy.

Yalta nowadays is too expensive, only for (want to-be) oligarchs.

I would recommend to rent a car.

Of course, Odessa, which means Arkadia beach / nightlife area, is an alternative, but for my taste also a bit too expensive for the standard locals.

So it is rather difficult "to score".

But: Visit "Itaka" or "Ibiza" there, and you will know, where the beauty queens of UA have open air party time.

Simferopol will be almost dead during summer. Everybody is going to the beach area.

Reiner Otto
06-05-12, 14:07
I have heard from my Ukrainian friends that the beaches in the Crimea consist of rock and not ideal for fun. From pictures I see on facebook of them in the Crimea this seens to hold true.NOT true. The Western part of the South Coast is rocky, and the South of the West Coast.

However, there are also beach areas around Sevastopol. But the middle part of the West coast has sandy beaches, and the Eastern part of the South coast.

Especially to mention the rea around Evpatoria, Feodossia, Sudak with long, long, long sandy beaches.

Which are the areas for standard locals to make holidays. Upper class goes to Yalta, Alushta, Foros area.

EasyEase
06-05-12, 14:07
Some non-mongering friends and I will be going to the Ukraine this summer, to the beach. Any recommendations on what the best beach towns are? Towns that have hot clubs and lots of girls. Should we look closer to Odessa or closer to Simferopol? Also, any recommendations on nice resorts or hotels? Even expensive hotels and resorts are OK.I went to Odessa about 1, 5 years ago to Kitesurf and monger and went to Kazantip last summer. I would say it was the worse beach I ever saw in my life, dirty overpriced and total unfriendly people who don't know how to even spell the word "service". At my visit to Odessa, I stayed only for 2 days instead of the planned week and left to Kiev and stayed there.

If you don't know Russian, then I really recommend to choose another destination for beach fun.

Prosal
06-05-12, 14:37
SudakBastion hotel is nice, but not that heap, I paid last summer some 900 UAH, same price double or single room.

http://www.hotel-bastion.info/

CherchezFemme
06-05-12, 17:28
I would not visit Ukraine for the beaches, I go for the bitches. If you have no language skills, I think you will find yourself lonely unless you look like a rock star.My friends speak Russian, I don't.

Come on, are you saying in the summertime I won't find one girl on vacation interested in an americanski? Even if I'm not a rock star? We're all in our 30s, reasonably good-looking and fashion-conscious and with money. My friends have the $$, not me. But the girls don't need to know that!

I'll be there about 5-6 days and I've decided that if I haven't had any luck after 3 days, I'll look for p4p. I'll look here on the Odessa forum or ask the hotel staff..

CherchezFemme
06-05-12, 17:30
I have heard from my Ukrainian friends that the beaches in the Crimea consist of rock and not ideal for fun. From pictures I see on facebook of them in the Crimea this seens to hold true. Odessa is a more appealing destination as there are better beaches there. However, if hanging at a beach and going to clubs are your thing then I would suggest Bulgaria, from what I have heard and read. It would be a better option, I think.Thanks for the recommendation but my friends are the ones deciding where to go and since they speak Russian, they feel comfortable in Ukraine. Plus they think RUssian / Ukr / Belarus girls are the best.

They are paying for most of the trip so they are the ones deciding where to go.

CherchezFemme
06-05-12, 17:34
My preference is Evpatoria, on the West Coast. Because of sandy beach (like most part of West Coast) , middle class local tourists (from UA and RF and BY) , good discos. Will be there this year, too. And it is not far from.

www.kazantip-republic.com

Hotel, high class:

http://www.osteuropa-hotels.de/de/hotelDetails-for-Ukraine_Palace-1819.htm

Personally, my favourite is this one:

http://crimeatourburo.ru/en/tour/info/106/

Both hotels close to the action;"Russkoye More" about 200m from the beach.

You might also book an appartment there "on the spot".

Other areas with sandy beaches and busy nightlife are Sudak and Feodossia on the South Coast. But when considering these ones, do NOT book a hotel in the centre, because too noisy.

Yalta nowadays is too expensive, only for (want to-be) oligarchs.

I would recommend to rent a car.

Of course, Odessa, which means Arkadia beach / nightlife area, is an alternative, but for my taste also a bit too expensive for the standard locals.

So it is rather difficult "to score".

But: Visit "Itaka" or "Ibiza" there, and you will know, where the beauty queens of UA have open air party time.

Simferopol will be almost dead during summer. Everybody is going to the beach area.Reiner, thank you for the specific recommendations. I will forward them to my friend who is deciding (and paying for most of my trip). It will be up to him to decide what is expensive and what isn't. He works hard, makes very good money, and hasn't gone on a vacation in a long time, so he wants to PARTY and have a good time, even if it's expensive.

We'll see if it's difficult to score. I wouldn't go for beauty queens anyway, I'll leave that to my friends who speak Russian. I'll be happy with nice, normal girl.

Climaxnow
06-05-12, 18:51
My friends speak Russian, I don't.

Come on, are you saying in the summertime I won't find one girl on vacation interested in an americanski? Even if I'm not a rock star? We're all in our 30s, reasonably good-looking and fashion-conscious and with money. My friends have the $$, not me. But the girls don't need to know that!

I'll be there about 5-6 days and I've decided that if I haven't had any luck after 3 days, I'll look for p4p. I'll look here on the Odessa forum or ask the hotel staff.Russian speaking friends are a huge plus. Good luck and please report back.

Climaxnow
06-05-12, 18:56
I went to Odessa about 1, 5 years ago to Kitesurf and monger and went to Kazantip last summer. I would say it was the worse beach I ever saw in my life, dirty overpriced and total unfriendly people who don't know how to even spell the word "service". At my visit to Odessa, I stayed only for 2 days instead of the planned week and left to Kiev and stayed there.

If you don't know Russian, then I really recommend to choose another destination for beach fun.This post is exactly how I understood of the Ukranian Black Sea. I would only visit there if I already had a girlfriend.

Sean EZ
06-05-12, 23:12
http://www.ukr-apartments.kiev.ua/

I always book here. Ask for Taras or Veronika. Don't be shocked by the prices, when it comes to an offer it was always cheaper than posted on their webpage.Thanks Kirch I'll give them a try next time.

I'm in Kiev right now it's good times as always. EuroCup is coming up not sure if it's worth staying or going to be a mad house of tourists, anyone has any thoughts on this? Was thinking about going to Kharkiv but they got games there also

Sean EZ
06-06-12, 03:18
Keep in mind that D'Lux and Area clubs and Shooters aren't the only clubs in Kiev. Kiev is a big city and not everyone can afford going to these places. A local connection took me to a club called I think Radio Disco Club (inside restaurant Mandarin) on the river on Sat night and it was packed with girls and I didn't see any foreigners and cheap drinks. On Monday went to Kalinka Malinka, about 30 min taxi ride from the city center, was also fairly busy. There you can hook up with college chicks for free unless you are looking strictly for P4P action

Jojosun
06-06-12, 11:20
Keep in mind that D'Lux and Area clubs and Shooters aren't the only clubs in Kiev. Kiev is a big city and not everyone can afford going to these places. A local connection took me to a club called I think Radio Disco Club (inside restaurant Mandarin) on the river on Sat night and it was packed with girls and I didn't see any foreigners and cheap drinks. On Monday went to Kalinka Malinka, about 30 min taxi ride from the city center, was also fairly busy. There you can hook up with college chicks for free unless you are looking strictly for P4P action.

I fully agree with you there. But the problem is with this thread is that P4P and semi Pros mongers are on it, as well as guys who are only looking for freebies and relationships. Different Folks seeking different stokes, as well as the different Age groups, cultures, etc. Are all on this thread.

What would work for Middle Aged Flash Harry, wouldn't work for youngish Modest unassuming Gary who is looking for a LTR.

Before hitting the clubs and not just in KIEV, one really needs to take a close look at himself in the mirror and see if a particular club is for him.

Whether this is D'lux, Arena or Shooters, or the any of the clubs above. .

Clubbing and Mongering needs to be done gracefully for anyone who is his late 30s plus.

It must be a bit of class act and image projection.

One scene of a movie (BREEZY) that stuck in my mind, when I was in my early teens with another girl same age as me, was of a Middle Aged Divorced burnt out man trying to groove it on the dance floor of a club full of young things.

My teen girlfriend at the time summed up her reaction after watching the movie, Freak, Pervert.

My reaction was (Didn't say it) , well there is hope in middle age.

This is the reaction of some of the friends of the (middle aged groover) when he itroduced them to his teeny love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYybIMZxtyM.

The full film is on youtube.

Actually the movie (BREEZY) is one of the best that I have seen.

Worth watching slumped on the sofa in KIEV with a UA teenager with some pop corn and Coke.

Enjoy It.

Jojosun
06-06-12, 11:23
Keep in mind that D'Lux and Area clubs and Shooters aren't the only clubs in Kiev. Kiev is a big city and not everyone can afford going to these places. A local connection took me to a club called I think Radio Disco Club (inside restaurant Mandarin) on the river on Sat night and it was packed with girls and I didn't see any foreigners and cheap drinks. On Monday went to Kalinka Malinka, about 30 min taxi ride from the city center, was also fairly busy. There you can hook up with college chicks for free unless you are looking strictly for P4P actionI fully agree with you there. But the problem is with this thread is that P4P and semi Pros mongers are on it, as well as guys who are only looking for freebies and relationships. Different Folks seeking different stokes, as well as the different Age groups, cultures, etc. Are all on this thread.

What would work for Middle Aged Flash Harry, wouldn't work for youngish Modest unassuming Gary who is looking for a LTR.

Before hitting the clubs and not just in KIEV, one really needs to take a close look at himself in the mirror and see if a particular club is for him.

Whether this is D'lux, Arena or Shooters, or the any of the clubs above. .

Clubbing and Mongering needs to be done gracefully for anyone who is his late 30s plus.

It must be a bit of class act and image projection.

One scene of a movie (BREEZY) that stuck in my mind, when I was in my early teens with a girl same age as me, was of a Middle Aged Divorced burnt out man trying to groove it on the dance floor of a club full of young things.

My teen girlfriend at the time summed up her reaction after watching the movie, Freak, Pervert.

My reaction was (Didn't say it) , well there is hope in middle age.

This is the reaction of some of the friends of the (middle aged groover) when he itroduced them to his teeny love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYybIMZxtyM.

The full film is on youtube.

Actually the movie (BREEZY) is one of the best that I have seen.

Worth watching slumped on the sofa in KIEV with a UA teenager with some pop corn and Coke.

Enjoy It.

Jojosun
06-06-12, 12:58
There are some clubs in the world where no one bats an eyelid for the usual scene.

Mongers of a certain age seeking (Brrezy) girls in the clubs.

River Palace club was such a club, Where a Breezerman was actually sought and in demand.

At my age wrong half of 40s, I wouldn't hit clubs full of college girls or the highest % there are Non Pros semi pros. At least I wouldn't do it SOLO.

Can you get away with it in your Western Home Town?

Jojosun
06-06-12, 21:37
At my age wrong half of 40s, I wouldn't hit clubs full of college girls or the highest % there are Non Pros At least I wouldn't do it SOLO.

Can you get away with it in your Western Home Town?Actually having said that, I do it in London and have done it in few clubs in the US as well. But I imake sure I am in a mixed crowd. Have my hair dyed, as well as having in tow a youngish bubbly attractive late 20s wingwoman who is BI.

2 is company, but a 3some is a hell of a Party.

Try it In KIEV if you have the time. Trust me it works there just as well.

If you are not into hunting in clubs, cash rich time poor, like a bit of stimulation before the main course, of a certain Age. Then the answer is a 3 letter Naked Venue called " ".

Have you guessed it.

Excuse the typing inthe 2 posts below, double typing of some words.

Drnking Pimms does that for me.

Cruiser D
06-06-12, 22:35
Are you saying that while wearing your fur trimed coat? I hope so. Please tell me you have the matching hat!


You, undoubtedly. Neil Strauss is a clown compared to you. Never such a skilled pick-up artist has explored the FSU territories. From here I hear the 1200 girls of your phonebook desesperately screaming your name as ripping their panties. You're mysterious, magnetic, charismatic, seductive, socially and sexually dominant, sophisticated and educated. A Byronic Hero. A modern Petchorin. Feel better? (rolleyes)

Golfinho
06-06-12, 23:05
Are you saying that while wearing your fur lined coat? I hope so.Someone's cruisin' for a mysterious and sophisticated beatdown. Thanks for the laugh.

Cruiser D
06-06-12, 23:14
CN,

You fail English reading comprehension and psychology.

Nowhere did I talk about my great pick up skills. Well at least recently. My last first person report was two or so years ago, if you are referring to me talking about my pick up skills. Or to steal a page from Prosal's play book, it's been several years since someone else posted about my pick up skills. Of course, pick up skills aren't to be confused with taking a girl home from Rio.

Who said the girls I date have low self esteem? I assume you advocate lying to girls, to protect their self esteem I am sure.


First, my apologies to you for my confrontational attitude and lack of understanding when you tried to call out that complete waste of money strip club.

Second, I am not one to support Prosal but some of your talk makes no sense to me. On one side you talk about great pickup skills and then on the other side you talk about women with such low esteem that you directly tell them you are dating others. Any quality in these girls of yours? I just don't get it.

No disrespect, I appreciate your posts.

Sean EZ
06-07-12, 07:15
Stopped by shooters last night (Wednesday) and I don't know if it has been like this lately but the ratio was in my estimate 3:1 Men vs Women with a at least half of the women were close to or in their 30s and no doubt working girls. Must have to do with the Euro 2012, the club was full of foreigners. Vodka Room was only slightly better. Speaking of venues, Afisha is a good source of information on what's happening on any given night. I'm taking off to Minsk for a week to escape the madness.

Jojosun
06-07-12, 10:02
Someone's cruisin' for a mysterious and sophisticated beatdown. Thanks for the laugh.Hello Golfinho,

And you know what? It was only the other day when I thought Whatever happened to Golfinho? Long time no show.

When are you going back to Uzbekistan?

Irish Lad
06-07-12, 18:44
Stopped by shooters last night (Wednesday) and I don't know if it has been like this lately but the ratio was in my estimate 3:1 Men vs Women with a at least half of the women were close to or in their 30s and no doubt working girls. Must have to do with the Euro 2012, the club was full of foreigners. Vodka Room was only slightly better. Speaking of venues, Afisha is a good source of information on what's happening on any given night. I'm taking off to Minsk for a week to escape the madness.At midnight it was 90% girls last night until 00:30, then whoosh. Lots of male football fans arrived. I never saw the ratio that bad. Working girls not allowed ply their trade in shooters, but of course, some of the usual suspects have started to visit due to the football.

Jojosun
06-07-12, 19:04
Hello Golfinho,

And you know what? It was only the other day when I thought Whatever happened to Golfinho? Long time no show.

When are you going back to Uzbekistan?Maybe I confused you with another Golfinho whom I had on my mind.

My apologies for the mix up.

Golfinho
06-07-12, 23:15
Hello Golfinho,

And you know what? It was only the other day when I thought Whatever happened to Golfinho? Long time no show.

When are you going back to Uzbekistan?Have found Uzbeki girls enjoy beaches. Until supply runs out, no need for further forays to t'kent. So much better importing them there in winter and no waiting around for me getting visa.

Jojosun
06-08-12, 12:08
Have found Uzbeki girls enjoy beaches. Until supply runs out, no need for further forays to t'kent. So much better importing them t here in winter and no waiting around for me getting visa.On a side note, I found few Ukrainenian women in Bangkok, but they were of a certain age. They hang around in the corner coffee shop on soi 7 on SUk.

I guess more to be found around the Russian Enclave in Pattaya.

Uzbek girls in Bangkok are mainly in the Disco hotel of Grace Hotel, plying their trade for the Gulf Arabs and other Middle Eastern Guys there.

Much better quality of Russian and Uzbek Girls were at (CM2) the Disco at the Novotel Hotel, Bangkok.

One stunning Uzbek Girl with a great personanilty, wanted about US$160 all night.

Didn't pursue the tempting deal, as I had my home JoJO team with me on a Stopover kind of holiday there.

Yeah works out great there in the winter.

Hakan Demir
06-09-12, 12:43
Jojosun,

If you have the chance to visit Pattaya, just pm me. I found a place with Russian and Ukranian WG's for 250-400$ but really stunners.


On a side note, I found few Ukrainenian women in Bangkok, but they were of a certain age. They hang around in the corner coffee shop on soi 7 on SUk.

I guess more to be found around the Russian Enclave in Pattaya.

Uzbek girls in Bangkok are mainly in the Disco hotel of Grace Hotel, plying their trade for the Gulf Arabs and other Middle Eastern Guys there.

Much better quality of Russian and Uzbek Girls were at (CM2) the Disco at the Novotel Hotel, Bangkok.

One stunning Uzbek Girl with a great personanilty, wanted about US$160 all night.

Didn't pursue the tempting deal, as I had my home JoJO team with me on a Stopover kind of holiday there.

Yeah works out great there in the winter.

Jojosun
06-10-12, 13:52
Jojosun,

If you have the chance to visit Pattaya, just pm me. I found a place with Russian and Ukranian WG's for 250-400$ but really stunners.Thank you Hakan.

Seekerz
06-11-12, 10:51
Hello fellow mongers! I'm new here.

I've stumbled across this forum after my visits in April to the famous club everyone seems to rave about. I keep reading how some of you have been successful in bringing girls back to the apartment the entire night for just $400. Is there a magic recipe to this or the girls just pulling my leg? I must be doing something wrong, because I haven't been able to bring any of the hotties home for less than $100 / hr which sometimes equates to $800.

If anyone is in Kiev right now, do you know if Michelle is still up for take-outs? That girl was a gem. I wouldn't mind going back to Kiev just for her.

LilJoey
06-11-12, 20:18
Hello fellow mongers! I'm new here.

I've stumbled across this forum after my visits in April to the famous club everyone seems to rave about. I keep reading how some of you have been successful in bringing girls back to the apartment the entire night for just $400. Is there a magic recipe to this or the girls just pulling my leg? I must be doing something wrong, because I haven't been able to bring any of the hotties home for less than $100 / hr which sometimes equates to $800.

If anyone is in Kiev right now, do you know if Michelle is still up for take-outs? That girl was a gem. I wouldn't mind going back to Kiev just for her.I have had girls ask for more than $400 when I was asking them to stay with me longer than until 5:00 am closing time, such as for a full day of 24 hour period. Naturally, since other girls had asked for $400 for the whole night (defined as until 5:00 am club closing time) , I expected them to ask for more than $400 for a greater amount of time. It was never a straight equation of adding another $100 per additional hour, though, in my experience. The most I was ever asked for was $800 for a complete 24 hour period. The only price gouging girl I encountered there was Darina who demands $500 for three hours, in distinction from the standard price of all other girls of $300 for three hours. (and before some lunk head rushes to correct me, yes, of course, we are all aware of the other incidental costs, such as entrance fee, cost of drinks or private dances purchased or tips, and the discussion here is specifically on the amount of the take out fee, and whether it has been changing).

It is not clear to me what precisely you are reporting. Are you talking about WITHIN the period between club opening time at 8:00 pm and club closing time at 5:00 am, and reporting that even within this period girls are demanding more than $400 to stay with you at your apartment until 5:00 am? If so, this would be a departure and a change from what has been going on previously at the club for last year and this year up till your report. In light of the fact that a number of members reported successfully having girls stay much longer than three hours and even staying longer than the 5:00 am club closing time for just the original $300 payment, such a new trend of asking prices higher than $400 for the whole night until closing time should be resisted and such a demand in excess of $400 should be flatly turned down. I would say the girls or the club are testing the waters to see if they can get guys to pay out even higher prices. It's up to the customers to say yes or no to such a new trend.

However, if you are not talking about the price for a girl staying with you until 5:00 am club closing time, and you are instead talking about situations where you attempted to get the girl to agree to stay with you additional hours after The 5:00 am club closing time, then this is a different matter, and has no guidelines that I am aware of, so theoretically each girl may negotiate as she pleases. In this event, I would simply want you to be aware that a number of members have written reports stating they had girls stay longer than 5:00 am for just the initial $300 paid, and that the most I have ever heard demanded was a double fee of $800 for a full night and a full day of a full 24 hour period, and also that other clubs like the new Dolls have later closing times than Rio so that if one were ready to pay the $500 whole night take out price at Dolls more hours would be included. Same as to other strip clubs (see the prior reports by TheKnight and others as to prices at other strip clubs).

At prices of $300/3hrs and $400 / all night, Rio was priced lower than the other strip clubs. If the girls at Rio are asking prices higher than $400 / all night (up to 5:00 am closing) then this premise is no longer true. Your report has no specificity to it, so it isn't clear if you are reporting such a change has occurred. However if you were not referring to prices up until 5:00 am closing time, but rather to prices being asked by some girls for staying with you longer than 3 hours ending at 5:00 am, then whether you ate making a bargain or being clipped depends on how many hours extra you are asking for. For example, if you took a girl out of the Rio club at 2:00 am, and you are asking her to stay more than three hours which ends at 5:00 am, and you want her to stay until 7:00 am, and she asks for another $100 for each additional hour past 5:00 am, which is another $200, for a total of $500, then although you have paid more than other guys who succeeded in getting extra hours from Rio girls without paying more than the initial $300, nevertheless, you would still be paying the same price as an all night take out at Dolls club, so you are getting ripped off no worse than if you had gone to Dolls by choice and taken an all night take out. I'm not sure when Dolls closes and when their "all night" take out dates are supposed to end. It could be at 6:00 am or maybe later. I remember it was later than Rio, but forget exactly how much later.

But if you took a girl out of Rio at 1:00 am and you were asking the girl to stay till noon the next day, which is 7 hours later than the 5:00 am closing time, and she asked you for an additional $100 for each of those 7 additional hours after 5:00 am, plus $400 for the time from 1:00 am until club closing at 5:00 am, then such a hefty sum of $1100 would be unprecedented gouging, and you paid far more than other customers going to strip clubs.

And to boot, it is currently being reported that girls just as hot as the dancers in the strip clubs, who sre Working Girls and open to p4p negotiations, are possible to get in the regular nightclubs for prices as low as $200/2 hours, and generally when negotiating for more hours in an all night or all day or till noon scenario, a package deal is the norm, and no WG is sticking on $100 / hr even if she is negotiating a 6 or 8 hour booking or longer.

As you can see from the initial price structure of $300/3hrs and $400 / all night till 5:00am, after the first three hours are paid, all remaining hours should be negotiated on a "package deal" basis only. At that point, the girl has already got $300 which is more than most Ukrainians make in a month in salary, and anything more she gets is just gravy. You're not going to be engaging in continuous sex acts with her for all those extra hours anyway. They are easy hours for her to get paid for just for being with you as a companion. There is no logic behind refusing a package deal price for the extra hours, and insisting on an hourly rate of $100 each additional hour, no matter how many additional hours, like some sort of taxi meter, other than sheer greed hoping to capitalize on your lust and vulnerability. Just say no.

Anyways, it would be helpful if you could be specific about the exact time of night and which hours you were negotiating about, as well as the exact price you were asked to pay.

LJ

Mystery77
06-12-12, 01:49
On a side note, I found few Ukrainenian women in Bangkok, but they were of a certain age. They hang around in the corner coffee shop on soi 7 on SUk.

I guess more to be found around the Russian Enclave in Pattaya.

Uzbek girls in Bangkok are mainly in the Disco hotel of Grace Hotel, plying their trade for the Gulf Arabs and other Middle Eastern Guys there.

Much better quality of Russian and Uzbek Girls were at (CM2) the Disco at the Novotel Hotel, Bangkok.

One stunning Uzbek Girl with a great personanilty, wanted about US$160 all night.

Didn't pursue the tempting deal, as I had my home JoJO team with me on a Stopover kind of holiday there.

Yeah works out great there in the winter.Soi Suk) Boom! Not that hot though. & Tricks all the way. Simply because of the mass hordes of non-Russian like mentality men. Sorry West)

Uzbek girl. Hmm Maybe on Soi 4 or 3 I think more like. Hangs in an internet cafe working online tricks. Next to her what. 2 star hotel, with her Thai Turkish wannabe gangsta fellas. CM2. Fuck! I was to early to play there.

Mystery77
06-12-12, 01:59
Okay straight up. Loved the Sweden vibe going on in the center! Respects to all you soccer boys!) But please stop hitting on my lady on arms.

Seekerz
06-12-12, 17:05
I have had girls ask for more than $400 when I was asking them to stay with me longer than until 5:00 am closing time, such as for a full day of 24 hour period. Naturally, since other girls had asked for $400 for the whole night (defined as until 5:00 am club closing time) , I expected them to ask for more than $400 for a greater amount of time. It was never a straight equation of adding another $100 per additional hour, though, in my experience. The most I was ever asked for was $800 for a complete 24 hour period. The only price gouging girl I encountered there was Darina who demands $500 for three hours, in distinction from the standard price of all other girls of $300 for three hours. (and before some lunk head rushes to correct me, yes, of course, we are all aware of the other incidental costs, such as entrance fee, cost of drinks or private dances purchased or tips, and the discussion here is specifically on the amount of the take out fee, and whether it has been changing).

It is not clear to me what precisely you are reporting. Are you talking about WITHIN the period between club opening time at 8:00 pm and club closing time at 5:00 am, and reporting that even within this period girls are demanding more than $400 to stay with you at your apartment until 5:00 am? If so, this would be a departure and a change from what has been going on previously at the club for last year and this year up till your report. In light of the fact that a number of members reported successfully having girls stay much longer than three hours and even staying longer than the 5:00 am club closing time for just the original $300 payment, such a new trend of asking prices higher than $400 for the whole night until closing time should be resisted and such a demand in excess of $400 should be flatly turned down. I would say the girls or the club are testing the waters to see if they can get guys to pay out even higher prices. It's up to the customers to say yes or no to such a new trend.

However, if you are not talking about the price for a girl staying with you until 5:00 am club closing time, and you are instead talking about situations where you attempted to get the girl to agree to stay with you additional hours after The 5:00 am club closing time, then this is a different matter, and has no guidelines that I am aware of, so theoretically each girl may negotiate as she pleases. In this event, I would simply want you to be aware that a number of members have written reports stating they had girls stay longer than 5:00 am for just the initial $300 paid, and that the most I have ever heard demanded was a double fee of $800 for a full night and a full day of a full 24 hour period, and also that other clubs like the new Dolls have later closing times than Rio so that if one were ready to pay the $500 whole night take out price at Dolls more hours would be included. Same as to other strip clubs (see the prior reports by TheKnight and others as to prices at other strip clubs).

At prices of $300/3hrs and $400 / all night, Rio was priced lower than the other strip clubs. If the girls at Rio are asking prices higher than $400 / all night (up to 5:00 am closing) then this premise is no longer true. Your report has no specificity to it, so it isn't clear if you are reporting such a change has occurred. However if you were not referring to prices up until 5:00 am closing time, but rather to prices being asked by some girls for staying with you longer than 3 hours ending at 5:00 am, then whether you ate making a bargain or being clipped depends on how many hours extra you are asking for. For example, if you took a girl out of the Rio club at 2:00 am, and you are asking her to stay more than three hours which ends at 5:00 am, and you want her to stay until 7:00 am, and she asks for another $100 for each additional hour past 5:00 am, which is another $200, for a total of $500, then although you have paid more than other guys who succeeded in getting extra hours from Rio girls without paying more than the initial $300, nevertheless, you would still be paying the same price as an all night take out at Dolls club, so you are getting ripped off no worse than if you had gone to Dolls by choice and taken an all night take out. I'm not sure when Dolls closes and when their "all night" take out dates are supposed to end. It could be at 6:00 am or maybe later. I remember it was later than Rio, but forget exactly how much later.

But if you took a girl out of Rio at 1:00 am and you were asking the girl to stay till noon the next day, which is 7 hours later than the 5:00 am closing time, and she asked you for an additional $100 for each of those 7 additional hours after 5:00 am, plus $400 for the time from 1:00 am until club closing at 5:00 am, then such a hefty sum of $1100 would be unprecedented gouging, and you paid far more than other customers going to strip clubs.

And to boot, it is currently being reported that girls just as hot as the dancers in the strip clubs, who sre Working Girls and open to p4p negotiations, are possible to get in the regular nightclubs for prices as low as $200/2 hours, and generally when negotiating for more hours in an all night or all day or till noon scenario, a package deal is the norm, and no WG is sticking on $100 / hr even if she is negotiating a 6 or 8 hour booking or longer.

As you can see from the initial price structure of $300/3hrs and $400 / all night till 5:00am, after the first three hours are paid, all remaining hours should be negotiated on a "package deal" basis only. At that point, the girl has already got $300 which is more than most Ukrainians make in a month in salary, and anything more she gets is just gravy. You're not going to be engaging in continuous sex acts with her for all those extra hours anyway. They are easy hours for her to get paid for just for being with you as a companion. There is no logic behind refusing a package deal price for the extra hours, and insisting on an hourly rate of $100 each additional hour, no matter how many additional hours, like some sort of taxi meter, other than sheer greed hoping to capitalize on your lust and vulnerability. Just say no.

Anyways, it would be helpful if you could be specific about the exact time of night and which hours you were negotiating about, as well as the exact price you were asked to pay.

LJThanks for the comprehensive insight LJ.

I was referring to that fact that girls in Rio were demanding $100 / hr until closing time, with the minimum package being $300/3hrs of course. That means when I pick-up a girl at 9pm and spend the night with her, I have paid up to $800. I have never been charged for anything past closing time. As I understand, Rio just wants the $300 and the girl is excused from her obligations for the whole night. I presume anything above that, the girl gets to keep for herself. Looks like I've been duped and phenomenally boosted the lifestyle of some of the girls.

Cheers,

Seekerz

Cruiser D
06-12-12, 22:53
Just an FYI for everyone who may think paying $800 for sex in Kiev is normal, it isn't.


Naturally, since other girls had asked for $400 for the whole night (defined as until 5:00 am club closing time) , I expected them to ask for more than $400 for a greater amount of time. It was never a straight equation of adding another $100 per additional hour, though, in my experience. The most I was ever asked for was $800 for a complete 24 hour period. The only price gouging girl I encountered there was Darina who demands $500 for three hours,

LilJoey
06-13-12, 02:18
Thanks for the comprehensive insight LJ.

I was referring to that fact that girls in Rio were demanding $100 / hr until closing time, with the minimum package being $300/3hrs of course. That means when I pick-up a girl at 9pm and spend the night with her, I have paid up to $800. I have never been charged for anything past closing time. As I understand, Rio just wants the $300 and the girl is excused from her obligations for the whole night. I presume anything above that, the girl gets to keep for herself. Looks like I've been duped and phenomenally boosted the lifestyle of some of the girls.

Cheers,

SeekerzOuch! It is unfortunately a very good example of how carefully reading this forum going back at least a year before traveling on a mongering tour to a new destination can literally save you many 100's of dollars. Had you read my prior reports about Rio referenced in the Reports of Distinction thread and not buried somewhere in the thread in a report made long ago, you would surely have had a clearer picture of the type of fees being paid by others, and at least if something wasn't clear you could have asked a question. I never heard of anyone paying more than $400 at Rio until closing time. Likewise the $500 all nite take out fee at Dolls strip club. That's what an all night fee means. You were seriously overcharged. Please name the girls who charged you more than $400 until Rio's 5:00 am closing time if you can remember. It's important that those girls who have such impudence, asking far beyond the standard of even the strip clubs, be outed, and the information can serve as a warning to other members to be prepared and forewarned.

LJ

Seekerz
06-13-12, 09:38
Ouch! It is unfortunately a very good example of how carefully reading this forum going back at least a year before traveling on a mongering tour to a new destination can literally save you many 100's of dollars. Had you read my prior reports about Rio referenced in the Reports of Distinction thread and not buried somewhere in the thread in a report made long ago, you would surely have had a clearer picture of the type of fees being paid by others, and at least if something wasn't clear you could have asked a question. I never heard of anyone paying more than $400 at Rio until closing time. Likewise the $500 all nite take out fee at Dolls strip club. That's what an all night fee means. You were seriously overcharged. Please name the girls who charged you more than $400 until Rio's 5:00 am closing time if you can remember. It's important that those girls who have such impudence, asking far beyond the standard of even the strip clubs, be outed, and the information can serve as a warning to other members to be prepared and forewarned.

LJOne, I have already named. The others, I would not like to disclose.

I think your statement is clear enough to anyone visiting Rio, not to pay more than $400 / night. I will certainly not do it again.

Thanks LJ!

Newbiez
06-13-12, 15:01
I'm newbie and I will go to Kiev on 18 July, after Euro, I read almost 20 pages here but only find the strip club, which expensive and I don't like lap dance much. Can I find some place in Kiev only prostitude who I can choose, only fuck and pay, no dance & good service? I will really respect if someone help me, thanks.

Jojosun
06-13-12, 20:04
I'm newbie and I will go to Kiev on 18 July, after Euro, I read almost 20 pages here but only find the strip club, which expensive and I don't like lap dance much. Can I find some place in Kiev only prostitude who I can choose, only fuck and pay, no dance & good service? I will really respect if someone help me, thanks.What you are looking for is really an incall place (Salon) apartments, where more than one girl would be working there.

(Me and You) posted on some apartments in the centre. .

I have never been to such places.

LilJoey
06-13-12, 22:42
Just an FYI for everyone who may think paying $800 for sex in Kiev is normal, it isn't.Cruiser D is of course correct, in general, since many options which cost a lot less exist in Kiev.

In the instance under discussion between Seekerz and myself, I merely mentioned that such a price ($800) was asked by a girl in Rio for a 24 hour period, as an illustration in contrast to what Seekerz was recently asked to pay, which was $100 / hr for as many hours as he wanted the Rio girl, and it cost him $800 even for the first 8 hours he took the girl out for up until 5:00 am club closing time. Previously, the "all night" take out fee (at least until 5:00 am closing time) had always been only $400.

Within the expensive world of strip club p4p, the "all night" take out fee (generally just a $100 or so more than the basic take out fee) represented a way of lowering the per hour cost dramatically, and if one enjoyed having the company of a very beautiful girl, $400 for 8 or 9 hours was a reasonably low hourly rate ($400/8-9 hours is less than $50 / hour). Therefore, if a guy was intending to take out a girl from Rio each night for an all night booking, that would cost $400 each of the 2 nights, for a maximum of about 8 hours each night. When looking at that, getting 24 hours for $800, instead of 16 hours for $800 when booking all night take out for 2 nights in a row, is a much better deal, as an extra 8 hours is included for no additional cost. But then again, this "savings" only applied to the sort of guy doing all night take out at a strip club on consecutive nights in a row.

Mongering in a strip club is very expensive though, and many members have expressed the feeling that the level of companionship one receives is not worth the high prices being demanded in the strip clubs. These mongers prefer to pay $75 or $100 or less, in total, for an hour of sex with a girl they got off mamba. Ru, even if the girl is only above.average looking, and not as pretty or sexy as some of the dancers from the strip club, and most importantly, even though it usually takes a lot of trying and a lot of wasted time using mamba. Ru to get a girl that looks decent, because many ugly, fat or older girls show up to one's door, instead of the beautiful girl in the fake picture on the mamba. Ru ad. These mongers feel that $75 or $100 is enough to pay for sex in Kiev, and the additional beauty level of some really very hot stunners in Kiev is not worth it to pay for it so much money as is being demanded. And these mongers certainly don't want to pay for extra companionship time that doesn't directly involve sex. So once they've blown their load and the sex is over, there's no point in keeping the girl around if it costs an hourly rate. Sure, maybe if the girl wants to stay for free or for a pittance more, but not for serious money. So these mongers would definitely not be interested in "all night" take out options even if the hourly rate for the additional hours is low."Who needs it?" they would say.

Every once in a while one of the members writes on the thread that he was lucky enough to get a girl through mamba. Ru who turned out to be a very hot stunner, just as pretty as the best girls one can see in Kiev strip clubs or nightclubs. Unfortunately, there are no pictures posted on the forum that substantiate this. The best of the posted pictures look like pretty average looking girls. And the best I have personally gotten from mamba. Ru was also girls who are Only above average, but nowhere near the level of hotness of some of the p4p dancers available at the strip club, or WG's I have seen at regular nightclubs. So to my mind there is a very discernable difference between the level of beauty that is possible to obtain from using mamba. Ru, versus the level of beauty of the p4p girls available at strip and night clubs.

The question of whether the price differential is worth it to attain the higher level beauties, is a personal choice each monger must make for himself. Obviously, there is no right or wrong here.

Some have the attitude that once they blow their load and the sex is completed, it's all the same anyway, so why pay more for a little more beauty? Who needs it? It's better to keep the dollars in one's own pocket. They value having inexpensive sex, and would not pay a large premium for a hotter girl, and certainly not "all night" fees for additional companionship hours, even though obviously if the girl stays a long time, it usually means another round of sex at the end before she goes.

On the other hand, other mongers are not so interested in mere sex and getting off with average or above average girls, except as an occasional thing in between more interesting sexual opportunities with very beautiful girls as is possible in Kiev, like in most cities of the world, albeit for a higher price, except that in Kiev, thankfully, it is possible for prices lower than elsewhere in the world.

In recent reports this year, Cruiser D, you have informed us that one can get very hot Working Girls in the regular nightclubs for prices of $200/2 hrs and less, which is significantly lower cost than at any strip club. You are referring both to professional Working Girls and semi-pros, when stating these are the prices. So it would seem obvious that it pays to try to get hotties for $200/2hours at regular nightclubs now, and not pay the higher strip club prices.

But there is a caveat to this.

You haven't really clarified or discussed the efficiency or ease of getting such a WG or semi pro girl for those prices in the regular nightclub. The efficiency of attaining the goal is a most important factor. It's not sufficient that it is merely possible. Anything is "possible". To be useful as advice, it is required that it is a "probable" outcome of going to monger for p4p in a regular nightclub. And in order for it to be relevant to the membership here, it must be probable across the board to at least most mongers here, and not just to the elite few who are young and / or look like Brad Pitt.

I think it is what you were trying to say because you once wrote something to the effect that if one can't get a hottie out of a regular nightclub for $200/2 hrs or less, one is doing something seriously wrong. So it seemed you were saying that it should be achievable by most mongers.

But we all realize that the mongers who are members here are not a homogenous group. Some are in their 20's and 30's, while more are in their 40's and 50's. Some are good looking or at least presentable, while some are a little heavy, or not good looking, or balding etc.

These differences in age and appearance and looks very much affect the outcome of chasing freebies, which as you write, is what you personally like and aim to do when you go to a nightclub. You and Prosal have debated the niceties of how to dress to impress the upper echelon of Kiev hotties when trying to get to them as freebies. But leave this aside, because I am not talking about chasing freebies.

These differences in age and appearance do not so much affect the outcome of a P4P transaction. If a girl is looking for cash, for a man's p4p dollars, then money is the great equalizer. That is why p4p with a high level hottie, who is a WG, is possible to attain, even for those mongers who are in the older brackets here and are not so good looking as to be able to score the same girl as a freebie.

So the Actual question that needed to be answered in comparing mongering between strip clubs and regular nightclubs is, are members who are not young or very good looking, probable to obtain p4p dates at regular nightclubs for prices like you stated of $200/2hrs or less? What a good looking younger guy with lots of game and knowledge of Russian and image of wealth can do while chasing freebies is completely not relevant to this question. You write that you like to get the high priced WG's for free because you work it as a freebie and they see you as marriage material. It's great. But it does little to help the mongers who can't do what you do. So in giving advice to mongers across the board, which includes older guys, as well as guys with extra pounds, and extra wrinkles, and not enough hair too, it is only helpful to speak of p4p opportunities that are probable for them too, and don't depend so much on their age and looks, but rather on the money they are willing to spend in a p4p date.

That's also why I once asked you what type of semi-pro girl you were talking about and recommending to seek for p4p, when speaking of how to find them in the nightclubs. The term semi-pro is broad enough to encompass any girl who only occasionally will take money for sex. This includes those girls who need cash at that moment and decided to go to the nightclub to pick up a guy to fuck for money and therefore whose behavior will be searching out guys much like any professional WG and so they will be easier to spot. But it also includes girls who are just out for fun with their friends and not looking for a p4p date, and who are behaving like any regular girl in the club and not exhibiting typical WG behavior, but if by chance a guy is hitting on them a lot and they sense he wants sex with them very much and right away, they may take the opportunity to "like him a lot more for $100" or so. These latter type of semi-pro girls are not behaving like WG's and not easy to spot and find, without a method or stratagem to identify them quickly.

Unfortunately, there are no action reports telling about actual prices demanded by the hottest WG's or semi.pros that the writer personally spoke to and is reporting about, actual p4p negotiations conducted and the resulting prices, which would comprise factual data of the sort valid opinions could be based upon, which is the type of opinion that I personally feel is more reliable, because then the reader can also assess the facts upon which the opinion is based. All we have is assertions made by those claiming to know conditions of p4p in the regular nightclubs, and all those opinions rest on is the credibility of the person making the statement, with no way to make an independent assessment.

Anyway, at least there is enough basis to make a Mongering recommendation to use mamba. Ru and other websites, as well as girl apartments for daytime activity, and at night to first try at the regular nightclubs for very beautiful p4p and see how it goes in terms of price and efficiency. If it turns out relatively easy and efficient to get a date with very hot p4p WG's or semi-pros at fairly low prices of under $200, then continue with this course. But if it turns out to be not so easy to succeed, then the lower priced mamba. Ru and girl apartment options, with their functional drawbacks, are well known, and the higher priced strip club options are also well known and can be regarded as a back up.

LJ

LilJoey
06-13-12, 22:53
I'm newbie and I will go to Kiev on 18 July, after Euro, I read almost 20 pages here but only find the strip club, which expensive and I don't like lap dance much. Can I find some place in Kiev only prostitude who I can choose, only fuck and pay, no dance & good service? I will really respect if someone help me, thanks.There are many, many reports on this thread within the last year, that give the information you requested for places with only prostitutes where you can choose and no dancing and low cost.

There are websites like mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com and many others basically using fake pictures and advertising girls for $75 to $100 / hr or less) , or you can go to girl apartments which are basically like a brothel, which taxi drivers can take you to, or you can meet shills for the apartments walking around downtown.

The nightclubs also have prostitutes, but a bit more expensive.

Member #4491
06-13-12, 23:03
Newbiez, I read in an article that you can find streetwalkers outside metro station Politechnitjnyj institut. You should also try Mamba for freelancers or the massage saloons mentioned here in the past. Guys on the street will hand you flyers advertising "massage" and a Kiev senior told me that those places should absolutely be tested if you have the time. One article reports over 9000 prostitutes in Kiev, plus all the students that are just paid "girlfriends", so I am sure there is more options for p*ssy than the now probably very well visited nightclub.

When I see the numbers discussed here I am just amazed. Who the f*ck pays 800 USD for a night with a wh*re? Or even 400? If it is a girl you really like and have a relationship with things are different, but when there are pretty teenage girls for 80 USD waiting to see you, why pay ten times more just to sleep next to her? I met at least one that I consider an 8, and friends here sends me pictures of really pretty girls that they fucked for 50-60 USD per hour, so this board is in serious need of a reality check. I am not a fan of Cruiser D's arrogant tone at times, but folks here should listen to the message he broadcast!

Barba

Member #4491
06-14-12, 01:32
These mongers prefer to pay $75 or $100 or less, in total, for an hour of sex with a girl they got off mamba. Ru, even if the girl is only above.average looking, and not as pretty or sexy as some of the dancers from the strip club, and most importantly, even though it usually takes a lot of trying and a lot of wasted time using mamba. Ru to get a girl that looks decent, because many ugly, fat or older girls show up to one's door, instead of the beautiful girl in the fake picture on the mamba. Ru ad. These mongers feel that $75 or $100 is enough to pay for sex in Kiev, and the additional beauty level of some really very hot stunners in Kiev is not worth it to pay for it so much money as is being demanded.LJ, I did not read all the text in your post but I suggest you stick to things you know anything about (and since that is mostly the unmentionable club, maybe just give it a rest). Just because you did not manage to find pretty girls on dating sites, does not mean it is hard or time consuming for someone who knows how to work them. Anyone that reads this post and who spent a few months massaging social / dating sites in various parts of the world, will know exactly what I mean. If you have just a little bit of skills in reading people and response patterns, and you will weed out the fake profiles / users from the real ones. The real ones will most often communicate with you and sometimes present additional pictures if you are kind and just a fraction of an entertaining guy. A working girl is still a girl at the end of the day, and they are often tuned into cooperative social patterns (as opposed to a hired hand maintaining several fake profiles in Ukraine or anywhere else in the world).

Non of the girls I met where ugly or fat. They looked like the pictures and in a couple of cases I would say they even look better. Grading is subjective but I did visit some clubs in Kiev and according to my standards, I would prefer the ones I had from Mamba over most I saw dragging their feet around in these clubs, trying to look like dignified bitches. In one of the strip clubs one really pretty girl gave me a lap dance, only to tell me she would not come with me. If I would have been in for some serious hunting that evening, it would have been a total waste of time and money to talk to her. One girl that came to my apartment was a referral (the anal girl) and she was admittedly not so hot, but she is not on Mamba either so no need for you to worry about her. As I reported earlier one girl I really liked stayed for 3, 5 hours and still did not ask for more money than what we agreed on. A young student with black hair, big tits and slim waist. It took me all in all about 5 minutes to find her, scrutinize her and to and get her number. She replied to my call immediately when I rang her.

Yesterday I had a chat with a super pretty girl of age 21. She quoted 80 USD for an hour and when I responded that I would like to have a dinner first, she agreed without and fuzz about additional payment. We have had nice chats and exchanged some pictures. I like that build up, including the dinner. Anticipation. Once I shot my load, I normally want a new girl, or to see one of my "girlfriends" wherever I am on the globe, but the scenario is analog with sleep over guests, and I argue that you should NOT consider paying per hour as the standard you must implement. Let that be the exception in this ten thousand year old game between man and woman.

LJ, I do not know why you need to make non Rio related mongering sound so hard and like a lottery, but I am getting back into old paranoid thoughts discussed here previously. Give Mamba a real chance and then you can educate people about how it compares with your favorite strip club.

Barba

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Maha Siddha
06-14-12, 06:47
Newbiez, I read in an article that you can find streetwalkers outside metro station Politechnitjnyj institut. You should also try Mamba for freelancers or the massage saloons mentioned here in the past. Guys on the street will hand you flyers advertising "massage" and a Kiev senior told me that those places should absolutely be tested if you have the time. One article reports over 9000 prostitutes in Kiev, plus all the students that are just paid "girlfriends", so I am sure there is more options for p*ssy than the now probably very well visited nightclub.

When I see the numbers discussed here I am just amazed. Who the f*ck pays 800 USD for a night with a wh*re? Or even 400? If it is a girl you really like and have a relationship with things are different, but when there are pretty teenage girls for 80 USD waiting to see you, why pay ten times more just to sleep next to her? I met at least one that I consider an 8, and friends here sends me pictures of really pretty girls that they fucked for 50-60 USD per hour, so this board is in serious need of a reality check. I am not a fan of Cruiser D's arrogant tone at times, but folks here should listen to the message he broadcast!

BarbaHow to find these 50-60 USD pretty teenage girls in Kiev?

LilJoey
06-14-12, 08:06
LJ, I did not read all the text in your post but I suggest you stick to things you know anything about (and since that is mostly the unmentionable club, maybe just give it a rest). Just because you did not manage to find pretty girls on dating sites, does not mean it is hard or time consuming for someone who knows how to work them. Anyone that reads this post and who spent a few months massaging social / dating sites in various parts of the world, will know exactly what I mean. If you have just a little bit of skills in reading people and response patterns, and you will weed out the fake profiles / users from the real ones. The real ones will most often communicate with you and sometimes present additional pictures if you are kind and just a fraction of an entertaining guy. A working girl is still a girl at the end of the day, and they are often tuned into cooperative social patterns (as opposed to a hired hand maintaining several fake profiles in Ukraine or anywhere else in the world).

Non of the girls I met where ugly or fat. They looked like the pictures and in a couple of cases I would say they even look better. Grading is subjective but I did visit some clubs in Kiev and according to my standards, I would prefer the ones I had from Mamba over most I saw dragging their feet around in these clubs, trying to look like dignified bitches. In one of the strip clubs one really pretty girl gave me a lap dance, only to tell me she would not come with me. If I would have been in for some serious hunting that evening, it would have been a total waste of time and money to talk to her. One girl that came to my apartment was a referral (the anal girl) and she was admittedly not so hot, but she is not on Mamba either so no need for you to worry about her. As I reported earlier one girl I really liked stayed for 3, 5 hours and still did not ask for more money than what we agreed on. A young student with black hair, big tits and slim waist. It took me all in all about 5 minutes to find her, scrutinize her and to and get her number. She replied to my call immediately when I rang her.

Yesterday I had a chat with a super pretty girl of age 21. She quoted 80 USD for an hour and when I responded that I would like to have a dinner first, she agreed without and fuzz about additional payment. We have had nice chats and exchanged some pictures. I like that build up, including the dinner. Anticipation. Once I shot my load, I normally want a new girl, or to see one of my "girlfriends" wherever I am on the globe, but the scenario is analog with sleep over guests, and I argue that you should NOT consider paying per hour as the standard you must implement. Let that be the exception in this ten thousand year old game between man and woman.

LJ, I do not know why you need to make non Rio related mongering sound so hard and like a lottery, but I am getting back into old paranoid thoughts discussed here previously. Give Mamba a real chance and then you can educate people about how it compares with your favorite strip club.

BarbaBarba, your sentiments fit exactly the type of monger I described who was much happier with the cheaply priced girls available on mamba. Ru.

The error in your analysis is that I am not "trying to make it sound hard" to find very hot 8's. 9's and 10's using mamba. Ru. I am merely reporting my own personal experiences, as well as the cumulative reported experiences of many, many others on this thread. No doubt you haven't read the prior reports. A fair reading of the numerous reports by others on this thread over the past year will substantiate my view, however. If you have some sort of compulsion to deny these reported facts and attribute my mentioning it to some ulterior purpose, then I can't help you with such delusional thoughts, and no real discourse is possible. Alas, the Mamba pictures are mostly fake, and the reported experience of many members is that most often unbecoming girls will show up at one's doorstep invited from the p4p offerings on the mamba website. This has been reported so many times on this thread in the past by many different writers, that I think anyone reasonable would regard it as axiomatic. The considered opinion was and is that One has to be lucky to get a nice looking above average girl off of mamba, BUT that with persistence and time it is possible to eventually get a nice looking girl using the mamba. Ru website.

The claims by some to have gotten to very hot 8's and 9's type of girls, I take with a grain of salt, and attribute to wishful thinking. It's improbable, although not impossible.

For getting the really hot WG's I much prefer a situation where I can see what the girl actually looks like before I select her, which is possible in nightclubs, as well as strip clubs. I find venues where I can see the girls in advance to be more certain, than the pot luck one deals with using mamba. Ru.

You claim to have a personal skill of being able to divine which p4p profiles on mamba are fake pictures and which are true pictures. If this is true, it would surely help a monger cut down on time wasted getting girls coming to the door who had nice pics, but ended up looking nowhere near as good as the pics in the flesh. Most other mongers who have been trying to use mamba do not have this special skill you claim to have, and have reported a different experience using mamba than you claim, which undermines the credibility of your report.

So if you want to post something of value to the thread, rather than just be argumentative, you should consider posting a detailed methodology explaining your methods of using mamba and never getting a piglet at your doorstep. I leave open the possibity that you may have something to contribute on this topic of using mamba. Ru more effectively. It would be a valuable contribution.

LJ

LilJoey
06-14-12, 08:35
give mamba a real chance and then you can educate people about how it compares with your favorite strip club.

barbap. s. you don't have to sell me on using mamba. ru. i use it all the time and on every trip i have my list of preferred contacts. however, i am realistic about the possibilities and shortcomings of using websites, and i prefer to see my prey beforehand. the good news is the reports of prices having come down to more reasonable levels in the regular nightclubs, which is where i think one's mongering time should be spent in the evenings.

i will say one additional thing about mamba. ru. that if one wants to be more effective and raise the chances of luck in finding a hottie, one can approach it as finding freebies, rather than p4p, and also approach it as a numbers game. i wrote in a previous post about what i called the "hunter dave method", not because he is the only one using it, but because he was the veteran monger who convinced me that the method has merit. this method is simply a form of speed dating, which has become popular of late with many singles organizations. the method consists of selecting four or five different nice date locations in cafes or bars around the downtown area not too far from each other, and scheduling short dates one after another, back to back each day. after spending a reasonable amount of time sufficient to see what one needs to see about each girl, one makes excuses about business to attend to, and hurries off to the next date at the next location, and either one does or does not ask for another meeting before leaving the initial date. if a girl is too late for her date as scheduled, she gets bumped and rescheduled, as one sticks to the original schedule of dates. before long one will have gone through quite a number of girls and will know which ones are desirable as repeats, and eventually to be invited to one's apartment on some pretext. this is not p4p dating. it is freebie dating. but it can lead to meetings with very pretty girls and in some instances great sex, if you can close the deal. of course, to be successful, one needs to be presentable and charming. but a large age difference is no impediment. and of course to implement this method and reach a conclusion with any girl, one needs some time. it isn't going to get you much sex on a three day visit to kiev, for which it is probably better to stick to seeking p4p so that one can to the point more quickly.

lj

Jojosun
06-14-12, 09:09
How to find these 50-60 USD pretty teenage girls in Kiev?Why don't you read what you posted in the link above. Its in the body of the link.

Or do you want us to read it for you?

You are now really asking for someone to Flame you.

With such an attiude like yours, it won't be long before you get scammed in Donetsk when you land there.

Member #4491
06-14-12, 20:42
and now you call me a liar lj, just because you do not know how to handle dating sites and social sites. you have serious problems, man. must the girls be paid for you to dare to communicate? it sounds like you live in the 80s when computers where yet a mysterious novelty. pull your head out of your fixation and look around on isg and you will see that i am not alone in meeting hot girls in sited like mamba, tagged, vk, dia, fb, etc. your view on mamba is pure fantasy.

the concept is not so different from what you describe with speed dating, just that you start preparing your trip a couple of weeks before you land. just do the same shit you do in real life. talk to the woman! response patterns will be homogeneous and stochastic if you are talking to software or someone maintaining several profiles. you will know if it is a real female in just two-three message exchanges. i apply a 60-80% rule on all pictures i see in life. a hotel is normally 60-80% of what you see on agoda. same with women. and then sometimes you get positively surprised and find someone that is 120. i gave indicators of how to do it in my previous post and for anyone that really wanted to learn, it is all here on the board in my posts and other mongers posts. read it again and try to understand what it is about. it is not rocket science. spend some time socializing and you will soon realize that the act of finding real and hot girls on any social site can be described in four steps, where i recommend the three first if you want to limit your rate of failures. the first three steps will not take you more than 15-30 minutes normally and you can do it when you should work.

1. introduction: make your introduction message honest, serious and entertaining. adapt the introduction to what you hope for with the girl. if she shows her vagina in the pictures you maybe can skip the part about wanting a friendly and fun girl to hang out with.

2. initial communication: this is normally when you can determine what direction you are going. is it a saloon / brothel, a hard core pro, a semi-pro or a girlfriend? if it is a saloon you just save the number with a note. if it is a hard core pro i always ask her if the pictures are real in a way that invites her to disclose the truth (i for example lie and tell her it does not matter because i just want a massage and a hand job). if it is a semi pro or a girlfriend, we move on to the sniffing phase.

3. sniffing phase: this was described by the first class monger kongking once and can be summarized as the part when dogs sniff each-others ass. you joke around and check how the girl responds. do not push her, but lead her and be careful to back off. do not write "can i see your tits" and start to jerk off. this phase is to get to know her and to make her acquainted and comfortable with you. if you use cam you make sure you are well dressed and smile a lot. girls like to be entertained. smile, chat, talk, joke, be naughty, back off, be serious. any joke about sex should be made with panning and consideration. if you get fed up with the smiling, close the cam and whip out your dick after she stopped looking at you.

4. mating phase: it is often overkill to take things into this phase already before you met, but if you are into cam sex it is the way to go. i will not mention numbers but have had many girls undressing and even masturbated in cam for me until the orgasmed. if you reach this phase, you pretty much know what to expect when you meet. in this phase you can test her limits. if i for example want to fuck a girl without condom i am normally attracted to her beyond the first level and to what i call genetic attraction. the level where you just feel in your body that you want to pump her full of sperm and make her pregnant. if this is the case, i will tell her about my attraction and then joke with the girl in a half serious and half humoristic way that i want to make her pregnant. her response will be conservative because she is a woman, but the seed is there and you leave it for some other chat. last girl i fucked in ukraine moaned "i want you to cum in me now" when i fucked her doggy. this after declaring numerous times that condoms is a must both to prevent std and unwanted pregnancy. after i came i naturally got back to my rational self and we went out to buy emergency pills. next day i pumped her full with sperm again and she kissed me and pushed her vagina against my pumping t-rex. she knows i am married but still is a slave to her desire to reproduce.

lj, for me you come across as yet another guy who needs to win a stupid [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) fight here. when i read what you write it strikes me that you most likely do not give a sh*t about learning anything, as you claim to. your so called help to newbies often amounts to directing them to rio. what if i am right? what if i do meet tier one girls on these sites? all these failures in previous reports has nothing to do with the validity of what i write. you are smart enough to know that such argumentation is just stupid and to low even to argue your case here on isg. when did you ever post a picture on this site? look at my history and then evaluate if i am a bull shit artist or if i know what i am talking about. what you do in your long rants is just low life argumentation techniques that you hide behind your fancy formulations. even if 100 isg mongers are chatting with chat robots on vk, there can still be one guy that understands how things work. i used to like reading your detailed reports but lost respect for you lj. keep going to rio if you love it so much. that is where you belong when you stick your head up your ass and refuse to see the world in any other perspective than the one you cling to.

i made my point and if anyone need further directives on how to chat with females, you are welcome to pm me.

b.

LilJoey
06-15-12, 09:09
and now you call me a liar lj, just because you do not know how to handle dating sites and social sites. you have serious problems, man. must the girls be paid for you to dare to communicate? it sounds like you live in the 80s when computers where yet a mysterious novelty. pull your head out of your fixation and look around on isg and you will see that i am not alone in meeting hot girls in sited like mamba, tagged, vk, dia, fb, etc. your view on mamba is pure fantasy.

the concept is not so different from what you describe with speed dating, just that you start preparing your trip a couple of weeks before you land. just do the same shit you do in real life. talk to the woman! response patterns will be homogeneous and stochastic if you are talking to software or someone maintaining several profiles. you will know if it is a real female in just two-three message exchanges. i apply a 60-80% rule on all pictures i see in life. a hotel is normally 60-80% of what you see on agoda. same with women. and then sometimes you get positively surprised and find someone that is 120. i gave indicators of how to do it in my previous post and for anyone that really wanted to learn, it is all here on the board in my posts and other mongers posts. read it again and try to understand what it is about. it is not rocket science. spend some time socializing and you will soon realize that the act of finding real and hot girls on any social site can be described in four steps, where i recommend the three first if you want to limit your rate of failures. the first three steps will not take you more than 15-30 minutes normally and you can do it when you should work.

1. introduction: make your introduction message honest, serious and entertaining. adapt the introduction to what you hope for with the girl. if she shows her vagina in the pictures you maybe can skip the part about wanting a friendly and fun girl to hang out with.

2. initial communication: this is normally when you can determine what direction you are going. is it a saloon / brothel, a hard core pro, a semi-pro or a girlfriend? if it is a saloon you just save the number with a note. if it is a hard core pro i always ask her if the pictures are real in a way that invites her to disclose the truth (i for example lie and tell her it does not matter because i just want a massage and a hand job). if it is a semi pro or a girlfriend, we move on to the sniffing phase.

3. sniffing phase: this was described by the first class monger kongking once and can be summarized as the part when dogs sniff each-others ass. you joke around and check how the girl responds. do not push her, but lead her and be careful to back off. do not write "can i see your tits" and start to jerk off. this phase is to get to know her and to make her acquainted and comfortable with you. if you use cam you make sure you are well dressed and smile a lot. girls like to be entertained. smile, chat, talk, joke, be naughty, back off, be serious. any joke about sex should be made with panning and consideration. if you get fed up with the smiling, close the cam and whip out your dick after she stopped looking at you.

4. mating phase: it is often overkill to take things into this phase already before you met, but if you are into cam sex it is the way to go. i will not mention numbers but have had many girls undressing and even masturbated in cam for me until the orgasmed. if you reach this phase, you pretty much know what to expect when you meet. in this phase you can test her limits. if i for example want to fuck a girl without condom i am normally attracted to her beyond the first level and to what i call genetic attraction. the level where you just feel in your body that you want to pump her full of sperm and make her pregnant. if this is the case, i will tell her about my attraction and then joke with the girl in a half serious and half humoristic way that i want to make her pregnant. her response will be conservative because she is a woman, but the seed is there and you leave it for some other chat. last girl i fucked in ukraine moaned "i want you to cum in me now" when i fucked her doggy. this after declaring numerous times that condoms is a must both to prevent std and unwanted pregnancy. after i came i naturally got back to my rational self and we went out to buy emergency pills. next day i pumped her full with sperm again and she kissed me and pushed her vagina against my pumping t-rex. she knows i am married but still is a slave to her desire to reproduce.

lj, for me you come across as yet another guy who needs to win a stupid [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) fight here. when i read what you write it strikes me that you most likely do not give a sh*t about learning anything, as you claim to. your so called help to newbies often amounts to directing them to rio. what if i am right? what if i do meet tier one girls on these sites? all these failures in previous reports has nothing to do with the validity of what i write. you are smart enough to know that such argumentation is just stupid and to low even to argue your case here on isg. when did you ever post a picture on this site? look at my history and then evaluate if i am a bull shit artist or if i know what i am talking about. what you do in your long rants is just low life argumentation techniques that you hide behind your fancy formulations. even if 100 isg mongers are chatting with chat robots on vk, there can still be one guy that understands how things work. i used to like reading your detailed reports but lost respect for you lj. keep going to rio if you love it so much. that is where you belong when you stick your head up your ass and refuse to see the world in any other perspective than the one you cling to.

i made my point and if anyone need further directives on how to chat with females, you are welcome to pm me.

b.barba, this is a very poor attempt at laying out a methodology to guide others on how to approach using the mamba. ru website to succeed in getting only pretty girls to come to your apartment or meet you, as you claim to be able to do, as you wrote in your previous post that you never had an ugly or fat girl show up from mamba. ru. there is very little detail, or dialogue examples to illustrate what you say should be done. try fleshing it out more. in its current form it is basically useless. inviting pm's for further instructions is the lazy man's way out. there isn't any reason you should be afraid to write something with more substance on the topic of using mamba. ru to successfully get only hotties, like you claim you can do.

let's see, there are many, many prior reports on this thread from all sorts of mongers reporting getting very unattractive plain girls showing up at their doorstep from mamba. ru, which were written over the past year, and i'm sure going further back in time as well. almost all who report on using mamba, disclose how the pictures were mostly fake and lots of unappealing girls showed up from mamba. and that after a number of tries, they eventually got lucky and a girl that was presentable or even somewhat hot showed up. that's the reported experience on this thread. then there is you, barba, who claims to have never gotten an ugly girl or unappealing girl from mamba. you claim that you have a system that succeeds in helping you avoid the fake pictures and get only the true beauties. i didn't call you a liar in my last post. i asked you to put up or shut up. there's a difference. i invited you to rise to the occasion.

you chose instead to write back to me in an antagonistic fashion replete with personal attacks. you further falsified my writings by claiming that all i write is to direct newbies to rio. here you are a liar. i challenge you to actually read my posts and show me where i have done anything of the sort. it's a blatant lie. all my reports are designed to present the options available in kiev in a realistic light, and to expose their pros and cons honestly. that is why when i make a recommendation to use mamba. ru, (and i constantly make that recommendation in almost all my posts mentioning the options in kiev) , i also include the cautionary note about many pictures being fake, and it requiring a lot of persistence and time to get lucky and have a pretty girl show up from that website. it is you who are presenting a distorted picture of mamba. ru to newbies when you write that you only got good looking girls, while failing to adequately disclose and describe the method they must follow to reproduce such uncommon results.

i'm simply not going to respond to your attempts to be insulting. what's the point? that's your style, not mine. but i will call you out when you bullshit and don't produce a useful description of the method you claim will give success in using mamba. ru, a very important matter, and you suffice instead with a few poorly thought out platitudes with no helpful description or examples that could give others any guidance. you're intelligent enough to know how to write something real. i invite you to try again and improve on your first effort. you don't need to embellish more on the last part of your t-rex spewing sperm into your moaning devushka. i think you covered that ground adequately. i'm talking about your points 1-3. you gloss over the beginning points. why? this is the most crucial part. remember, the problems most mongers are having is in weeding out fake picture girls. most girls refuse to send additional pics when requested. is your advice to simply skip those girls, or something else? are you looking.

for profiles of girls who have "looking for sponsor" or "offer sex for money" listed in their profiles, or are you avoiding all such girls. there are many more questions that arise in using mamba. ru. if you are going to produce something usefull, you need to think about what issues and questions a newbie will encounter and have in using mamba and give your insights and guidance on each point. i am open minded about reading anything further you may choose to write on the topic, which will be helpful.

there's no need to be toxic. we're on the same side.

lj

AColonizer
06-15-12, 09:23
Hi,

Now we are in the Euro Cup 2012 season, which are girl prices in comparison of four months ago? Which kind of girls are available?

Member #4491
06-15-12, 21:10
LJ, I read the first three lines and had to stop. It is only you who don't understand. I will just come and hold your hand instead, LJ. I will help you to type even.

You are the first to make it onto my block list ever here on ISG. Not because you are pathetic but because you are meaningless.

I will not see your responses but I am sure they will be lengthy and verbose, aiming at defending your manhood for your fantasy mates here at ISG. Don't forget to mention RIO at least once a day here.

Barba

Member #4491
06-15-12, 21:14
So much space here after adding LJ to my ignore list. Lovely. Never used the ignore list before in all those years but I can recommend it if you come across someone you find really pointless.

AColonizer, I will come over in July and the ones I have quotations from ranged from 80-200 USD, with no correlation to looks or age. I found them on Mabma and believe it or not, they conformed that they are real and we have exchanged messaged on Mamba and / or Skype.

B.

Member #4491
06-15-12, 22:35
Checked my messages on VK and out of the blue a girl contacted me. I emailed (spammed) her in the past, and now she decided to catch me. Said it was because of Euro but I am sure my picture showing fake-Barba and a girl on a tropical vacation destination has something to do with it. 20 years old an pretty, but used to be even prettier when she was 16 and illegal from what I can judge by the mini skirt pictures. She has a job and her own apartment. Works as an interpreter during the Euro event so she can be found by all you football fans.

I just sent her my real pictures and talked for a while about her (not me. Another trick you incapable and self centered looser can learn from) and now we have a date in July. We will "just eat and talk" but we all (well not all, but most) knows how that will go. A surprise and nice change to Barba constantly spamming girls. She has 180 pictures of herself and a story to share about many, so I am pretty confident she is whom she claims to be. She just told me Vodka bar is like the streets of red light in Kiev, where only cheap girls (as in not good girls) go. She then continued to tell me the name of some good normal clubs. PM me if you want to know. I do not want to pollute the thread with non Rio related facts.

How did Barba do it? He COMMUNICATED with her for several minutes. Why do I share this? To show that it is worth the few minutes per day it takes to entertain your online profiles. I fucked many hundred girls in the Philippines over the years and 80% of these I initially met online (and 0, 01% in strip clubs). By far most of these are normal girls that are looking for a husband but will settle for some distraction or money until they find that husband. Teenage virgins require a lot of work, and single mothers is a 2 minute job to get to the sniffing phase (see below). But as always you get what you pay for (time is also payment).

Work the sites, gentlemen. It WILL pay off.

Barba.

Guntherus
06-15-12, 22:50
Alas, the Mamba pictures are mostly fakeThis needs to be corrected for all readers. It is a lie.

LilJoey
06-15-12, 23:00
LJ, I read the first three lines and had to stop. It is only you who don't understand. I will just come and hold your hand instead, LJ. I will help you to type even.

You are the first to make it onto my block list ever here on ISG. Not because you are pathetic but because you are meaningless.

I will not see your responses but I am sure they will be lengthy and verbose, aiming at defending your manhood for your fantasy mates here at ISG. Don't forget to mention RIO at least once a day here.

BarbaWell there you have it folks. When challenged to be more detailed in describing his methodology for never getting ugly or fat girls from mamba. Ru website, as he claims he does, and write something that could be helpful to others on this thread, Barba shows his true colors and backs out, resorts to insults, and exposes himself as an arrogant guy who boasts and boasts about his fictional abilities, but can't deliver anything helpful to others so they can reproduce the amazingly successful results he claims he gets. You all can rest assured that there is no truth in his claims to be able to only get hotties when using mamba. Ru. So many others who have posted about their experiences using mamba have had experiences very different from those claimed by Barba. So take his bragging with a very large grain of salt.

Mamba. Ru is a useful tool in meeting both p4p WG's as well as regular girls in Kiev. But care must be exercised in its use. And one should not have unreasonably high expectations for girls as hot as some of the pictures in the profiles on mamba. I'm not saying hot girls are not possible to get from mamba. Ru on the first try. I'm only saying it's not very probable. You need to be willing to keep trying multiple times. Then the odds and probabilities start working in your favor.

Unfortunately, The mamba. Ru website is loaded with phony ads and false pictures. Many escort agencies and girl apartments use it to advertise and get clients and post multiple profiles, deleting them often and repostimg with other pics, and the pics bear absolutely no relation to the actual girls. They don't even try to send the same type of girl as in a picture ad on a call to your apartment. The great and significant majority use fake pictures. That is why the girls who show up mostly never look like their pictures in the profile.

However, having noted the above truth substantiated by the reports of many on this thread going back in time, that decidedly does NOT mean one should refrain from using websites like mamba. Ru in a place like Kiev! On the contrary, one should use these websites to get to very inexpensive girls, who ask for very low prices of between $50 to $100 / hour. Yes, there is a problem with fake pictures.

BUT, here is the point, so pay attention, in a place like Kiev the population has a fairly high percentage of young girls who are skinny and naturally nice looking. Statistically, therefore, you have a good chance of meeting a sexy, pretty young girl entirely by random chance with a decently high degree of probability, as long as you keep trying for a reasonable amount of time. A hottie won't show up at your door from mamba. Ru because she matches the picture you saw on her profile. She will show up accidentally by random chance of whoever is on the other end of the phone number you called. But there are so many hot young girls in the population pool in a place like Kiev, that you stand a statistically reasonable chance of encountering a hottie if you roll the dice enough times. This is what I meant by saying you can be successful on getting a hottie using mamba. Ru if you invest sufficient time and have persistence. It's a numbers game, and you can eventually win. So keep ordering girls from mamba to come to your apartment, and keep sending away the ones who are not to your liking, because eventually, and maybe even sooner rather than later, you will encounter a girl that is to your liking.

Now the foregoing mostly applies to girls who openly say in their mamba profiles that they "offer sex for money" or that they "are seeking a sponsor". Or even, as has become more common recently, that they are interested in "a one night stand" or want "to have fun", which are often simply euphemisms concealing a purpose to meet guys for money. One has to communicate a little to see if that's the intent, or it's just a regular girl. Mamba has sent out notifications On the website that they don't want so much the overt advertisement or solicitation of sex for money. So it will be done covertly, using euphemisms and double talk in the future, I would assume.

However, regular girls not looking for p4p or sponsorship on the mamba website can be spoken to in the regular way, and dated using the "Hunter Dave Method" I described in my previous post. And with these girls it might be possible to have an exchange of pictures, so you will know more or less what she looks like before dating.

However, with p4p professional WG's or semi-pros operating on mamba. Ru to get clients, a date in a cafe or bar is almost a waste of time for them unless you're paying them for it. They want to come directly to your apartment to get it on for money. They have posted an enticing picture on their profile to get customers. They have little incentive to admit to you that it is a fake picture, and to send you their real picture, which is usually not as hot, because their entire marketing model is based on the idea of "getting their foot into your door". Once they are there in your apartment, they hope that your strung out libido and lust for sex will take over and you will let them stay so you can get your rocks off, even though they are not as hot as the pics. It's called "bait and switch". It exists because it works most of the time, as men a very horny man, is very weak willed to chase out of his apartment a girl who has even some appeal when he really has sex on the brain. With regard to these p4p girls, or the Madame or phone person who is responding for their agency to the dopes who are conducting "chats" with them and trying to figure out, a la Barba, if the pic is a fake, it doesn't matter what the picture looks like. Assume it's fake and play the numbers game.

To my mind, only if you are not trying to get p4p off of mamba. Ru, but rather you are seeking to get regular dates with regular girls, does the issue of trying to get their true pictures make any sense, and have a good chance of happening, as it is common on social sites for the parties to want to see each other before agreeing to go on a date. But that's a different world than pay 4 play, money for sex prostitution.

LJ

LilJoey
06-15-12, 23:11
This needs to be corrected for all readers. It is a lie.It's unfortunate you would post such misinformation. I had presumed you know better that the pics of the p4p girls on mamba. Ru are mostly agency profiles and fake pics. Why would you want to mislead newbies on such a basic fact of widely reported experience.

For those of you newbies out there who are confused about the issue of mamba. Ru pics for p4p girls being mostly fake or not, due to this endorsement by Roll Buzz of mamba. Ru pics as true pics, just read the prior reports on the thread of those who reported on their use of mamba. Ru. Then you will be in a position to decide whether to accept Roll Buzz's endorsement of mamba. Ru pictures being mostly true pictures as he seems to claim, or being mostly fake pictures as the bulk of the past reports dealing with this issue clearly state.

LJ

Climaxnow
06-16-12, 02:19
So much space here after adding LJ to my ignore list. Lovely. Never used the ignore list before in all those years but I can recommend it if you come across someone you find really pointless.FYI, I put LJ on the ignore list first. That Rio bs was driving me crazy!

Guntherus
06-16-12, 10:39
L'J has changed his earlier statement of 'most pics being fake, ' to (misleading) :


. mamba. Ru pics for p4p girls being mostly fakeMaybe many p4p-profiles present fake or fabricated photos, but I have met dozens of mamba girls and only one did look different from photo. She explained it that the real girl was on holiday, and she was jumping in her place. And yes, there is another girl with pic of Adele in her profile, but she is def not a p4p girl! It should bebcorrected when people, in the heat of the argument, make false statements.

Member #4491
06-16-12, 11:02
FYI, I put LJ on the ignore list first. That Rio bs was driving me crazy!Yea, I suspected he had ended up on you list already. I see he wrote new reports and I am glad I do not have to scroll pass them.

Climaxnow, I PM:ed you a girl some time ago to open up for some sharing. I am a sharing kind of guy, so no need for you to feel pressure to counter produce anything. I like the fact that you considered profile swapping. Some guys here called it naive and so on if I remember correct, but I do not agree. Everyone knows that we do not share our gems unless it is real monger brothers, but to help out each-other and to trade profiles of pure working girls, is normal for many circles on ISG. I have a few really good mates from here, and we share most of the willing girls we find (unless we f*ck them together). In addition some ten-twelve good mates that like to help each other when possible, but where I think we all limit ourselves a little bit to reduce the pressure on the gems. Especially mamasan type of girls I like to share and receive, since this open up circles of friends that can be a gold mine. Most often the price is pretty fixed and everyone knows the deal from start. I hate bullshit and aggression before sex. Makes my dick soft.

I was killing some time just now and spammed fifteen selected pretty girls on mamba. Got contact with one quite hot blond. She is an 8, 34976 on the normalized monger scale. Likes to travel and so do I, so we are totally compatible. LOL. We are scheduled for Skype later tonight so we will see how that goes.

B.

Member #4491
06-16-12, 11:19
L'J has changed his earlier statement of 'most pics being fake, ' to (misleading) :RB,

That is because he is a bull shit artist that goes the errands of others. And if he does not have that job, he is an even more pathetic person than I thought. At the end of the day we all meet up at one point or another in monger universe, and since I have close friend who met LJ, I know what kind of pocket wanker he is. He want to be the cool and initiated guy here on the board (as opposed to real life) at every cost, and truth is not significant in such ego-quests. Make it simple for yourself and use the ignore functionality. Let time tell who knows anything about punani hunt and who is just a keyboard knight.

Speaking of sites, I want to mention one site that I find really useful. Tagged. Com. Please use this site with care and balance. This is absolutely not the site where you find P4P girls lined up but the ones I call yellow girls, ie girls that will play for some "gifts". It is not packed with EE girls, but still worth a visit. I have four Ukrainian girls that I met there so far out of 20 contacted, and I have verified that they are what they claim to be. Met many many many females on that site from other countries in the past. I never use my own real pictures for various reason, but always email my pics or show myself on cam once they took the bait. And as stated earlier you should AVOID ripping out your dick in cam before you can feel she is pulling in that direction. Girls always want to pretend to be virtuous and as soon as she feels the shadow of shame, she will go all out and blame YOU for whatever she feels. Lead the way with a firm hand but make her always feel she is a good girl doing something exciting and normal.

All the best from Barba

Stevie69
06-16-12, 12:49
Indeed. Well said. I completely agree. Nobody should be paying more than $100 USD per hour or $150 for the whole night.

However, if it is someone you really like, AND who likes you, with whom you might have a long term relationship, you shoudl pay LESS, not more. To me, $100 for sex, and about $10 / hour for spending time with you without sex seems reasonable. I had such arrangements a few times. The first one, after spending the night for $150, I told her I wanted to see her agian the next night, but also during the day, no sex, just to hang out. She said she was busy. I offered her 100 Grn per hour, which is at least 5 times what she would be making at her regular job, and the schedule magically cleared up. So she went home in the morning, came back a few hours later, and spent the afternoon with me at the beach, enjoying herself, while earning 500 GRN. Two nights later she spent the night with me, again, paid. With another girl, after spending the night, paid, I asked her if she knew of any good "tour guides" and she immediately offerd herself. The "tour" ended back at my place with a freebie. I kindly doubled her "touring fee".

Yes, these are the benefits of not picking up hardened professionals.

If you are going to be paying $800 per night, just stay home. That is more than a whole month's salary!


Newbiez, I read in an article that you can find streetwalkers outside metro station Politechnitjnyj institut. You should also try Mamba for freelancers or the massage saloons mentioned here in the past. Guys on the street will hand you flyers advertising "massage" and a Kiev senior told me that those places should absolutely be tested if you have the time. One article reports over 9000 prostitutes in Kiev, plus all the students that are just paid "girlfriends", so I am sure there is more options for p*ssy than the now probably very well visited nightclub.

When I see the numbers discussed here I am just amazed. Who the f*ck pays 800 USD for a night with a wh*re? Or even 400? If it is a girl youreally like and have a relationship with things are different, but when there are pretty teenage girls for 80 USD waiting to see you, why pay ten times more just to sleep next to her? I met at least one that I consider an 8, and friends here sends me pictures of really pretty girls that they fucked for 50-60 USD per hour, so this board is in serious need of a reality check. I am not a fan of Cruiser D's arrogant tone at times, but folks here should listen to the message he broadcast!

Barba

LilJoey
06-16-12, 13:49
L'J has changed his earlier statement of 'most pics being fake, ' to (misleading) :

Maybe many p4p-profiles present fake or fabricated photos, but I have met dozens of mamba girls and only one did look different from photo. She explained it that the real girl was on holiday, and she was jumping in her place. And yes, there is another girl with pic of Adele in her profile, but she is def not a p4p girl! It should bebcorrected when people, in the heat of the argument, make false statements.Roll Buzz, I'm not sure what you're talking about regarding any change in my statement. To be clear, it is my understanding from the reports of many mongers on this thread going back over the past year, that the pictures in the mamba profiles of most p4p (pay for play) girls, I. E. Prostitutes, are not the pictures of the actual girl who shows up at one's apartment for the appointment. Therefore, the girl who shows up will most of the time be a different girl than the girl in the photos you thought you were inviting over to your apartment. Because of this, instead of the pretty and hot girl in the photos on the mamba profile, the girl who shows up is a plain, unattractive, much older, and / or fatter girl than the one you expected. It is a very commonly reported experience on this thread by mongers using mamba to get p4p outcall escorts to come to their apartment for paid sex. Often, also even though the girl on the phone, who swears she is the girl in the photos, and is the girl who is coming over, speaks English well, whereas the girl who is sent from the agency or girl apartment to your doorstep, has no English skills at all, because she is a different girl. However, that being said, it is still worth it to try using mamba for p4p, because many mongers also report that eventually a hot girl did show up, after they had to send away some girls who didn't look good enough. It's a numbers game, and eventually you will get a girl who is doable or even better than that and quite hot.

Now Roll Buzz, I said most of the pictures of the p4p girls are not the actual girl, to allow for the minority of girls who operate independently and actually do use their own pics. I have experienced this too. In fact, I recall our own communicating in the past about a girl named Linda on mamba who had a very wired personality but who used true pics. But it is a minority of cases and cannot be counted on.

Finally, p4p girls on mamba, are a different type of girl than regular girls not looking to be paid for sex, and only interested in regular dating. The regular girls are far more likely to use real pics.

LJ

Duesentrieb
06-16-12, 18:13
Very exciting debate. But what about the Euro Cup?

Could someone here give us some information about the current situation in Kiev? Girl prices? Atmosphere in the city? How behave the Swedish Guys? And the english and french?

I will be in Kiev next week, If anyone wants to hang out with me, feel free to PM me.

Climaxnow
06-16-12, 20:01
Yea, I suspected he had ended up on you list already. I see he wrote new reports and I am glad I do not have to scroll pass them.

Climaxnow, I PM:ed you a girl some time ago to open up for some sharing. I am a sharing kind of guy, so no need for you to feel pressure to counter produce anything. I like the fact that you considered profile swapping. Some guys here called it naive and so on if I remember correct, but I do not agree. Everyone knows that we do not share our gems unless it is real monger brothers, but to help out each-other and to trade profiles of pure working girls, is normal for many circles on ISG. I have a few really good mates from here, and we share most of the willing girls we find (unless we f*ck them together). In addition some ten-twelve good mates that like to help each other when possible, but where I think we all limit ourselves a little bit to reduce the pressure on the gems. Especially mamasan type of girls I like to share and receive, since this open up circles of friends that can be a gold mine. Most often the price is pretty fixed and everyone knows the deal from start. I hate bullshit and aggression before sex. Makes my dick soft.

I was killing some time just now and spammed fifteen selected pretty girls on mamba. Got contact with one quite hot blond. She is an 8, 34976 on the normalized monger scale. Likes to travel and so do I, so we are totally compatible. LOL. We are scheduled for Skype later tonight so we will see how that goes.

B.Hi Barba,

Thanks for the girl you pm'd. I'm all about sharing but I soon realized that you have to be careful about sharing and sometimes things are just not as they seem on this thread. Anyhow, I will return soon to Kiev and if I find something I am comfortable sharing, I will pm you with contact info. Good luck with your Mamba leads.

Muddy7
06-17-12, 22:56
I disagree with about getting bbj from girls at RIO too.

Look how many hookers do bbj at gia http://gia.la/

The number of dancers who do bbj at RIO is much less than gia.

If LJ is not a shill then he is just stupid, only a dumb loser would spend so much time writing all this bullshit and think RIO is his best option, what a fool


LJ, I read the first three lines and had to stop. It is only you who don't understand. I will just come and hold your hand instead, LJ. I will help you to type even.

You are the first to make it onto my block list ever here on ISG. Not because you are pathetic but because you are meaningless.

I will not see your responses but I am sure they will be lengthy and verbose, aiming at defending your manhood for your fantasy mates here at ISG. Don't forget to mention RIO at least once a day here.

Barba

Member #4491
06-18-12, 00:14
Indeed. Well said. I completely agree. Nobody should be paying more than $100 USD per hour or $150 for the whole night.

However, if it is someone you really like, AND who likes you, with whom you might have a long term relationship, you shoudl pay LESS, not more.I should put you in contact with my wife. She needs to hear this. LOL.

B.

LilJoey
06-18-12, 15:32
Indeed. Well said. I completely agree. Nobody should be paying more than $100 USD per hour or $150 for the whole night.

However, if it is someone you really like, AND who likes you, with whom you might have a long term relationship, you shoudl pay LESS, not more. To me, $100 for sex, and about $10 / hour for spending time with you without sex seems reasonable. I had such arrangements a few times. The first one, after spending the night for $150, I told her I wanted to see her agian the next night, but also during the day, no sex, just to hang out. She said she was busy. I offered her 100 Grn per hour, which is at least 5 times what she would be making at her regular job, and the schedule magically cleared up. So she went home in the morning, came back a few hours later, and spent the afternoon with me at the beach, enjoying herself, while earning 500 GRN. Two nights later she spent the night with me, again, paid. With another girl, after spending the night, paid, I asked her if she knew of any good "tour guides" and she immediately offerd herself. The "tour" ended back at my place with a freebie. I kindly doubled her "touring fee".

Yes, these are the benefits of not picking up hardened professionals.

If you are going to be paying $800 per night, just stay home. That is more than a whole month's salary!I highly endorse the advice and description of how to negotiate more time for a reasonable price with p4p girls in Kiev whose initial hourly fee is 800 UAH ($100 USD) or less. It does work. Such girls can be gotten from websites like mamba. Ru or top-modals. Com or other websites that advertise p4p girls. But I surmise it would probably work more with p4p girls who are independent or who are semi-pro, and might not be as easy to achieve with those girls who are part of an agency, because the agency girls are most likely responsible to the agency for their time in some fashion. I guess it depends on what their set up is. Obviously if they are working at a girl apartment each day, their presence will be missed by that employer and a deal on more time with them might be more difficult to get. On the other hand, they might be freelancers who are on call with agencies, and do have much more personal flexibility on how to spend their time in between calls. And if they have another regular job during the day, they might find a way to take some time to earn higher dollars with you.

Yet even with agency girls it would be possible to get a lower rate for multiple hours bookings which are normally priced as a package deal, and not priced as simply a multiple of the initial 1 hour rate multiplied by how many hours. Once you get past the fee for a 1 hour booking, and the fee for a 2 or 3 hours, which is also a reduced rate package usually and not simply double or triple the initial hourly rate, the next step would likely be a package deal on "all night". You might not get it for just another $50, but you should becable to negotiate a reduced rate package deal, nevertheless, even with agency girls.

The package deal for "all night" bookings, or as Stevie69 points out, also for "all day", is where the real savings possible in p4p in Kiev comes into play. And this is true not only with the less expensive $75 or $100 / hr girls one can get on mamba. Ru and other p4p websites, with resulting all night or all day package deals for another $50 to $100. It is also true when dealing with the high end very expensive options in Kiev also, such as the very hottest girls one might find in nightclubs, whose prices are their own to negotiate, as well as the hottest girls ine can find in strip clubs where the prices are more controlled. In all these situations, the package deal prices for "all night", usually result in a much lower per hour rate, making the cost more tolerable. For example, the "all night" fee at strip club Dolls is 4000 UAH ($500 USD) on their printed menu, while the "all night" fee at strip club Rio, had been $400 for the longest time. At Rio the girl would leave by 5:00 am club closing time, so since they opened the club at 8:00 pm, the maximum number of hours one could get for an "all night" booking was 8 to 9 hours, which meant that the fee per hour was $400/8= $50 per hour.

At River Palace in 2010, I once took one of the extremely beautiful girls out after some negotiation for $300 for "2 to 3 hours". Some of the veterans may remember her. Her name was Sasha. She was a Russian from Moscow. She told me she had a law degree. I could see why she ended up in a different trade at River Palace. Shevwas very good at what she did, and had the guys eating outbof her hand. There was unfortunately lots of competition for her. So this put a crimp in my ability to negotiate her down, and to wait until she came down in price. Waiting only insured that anither lustful guy would grab her. So I agreed to her $300 price, intending to push for the 3 hours. The reason I mention this girl from River Palace is that she ultimately was a fantastic lay, as well as an educated girl with good conversation skills and fun to be with, and I wanted her another time for "all night". An "all night" fee was negotiated with her for $500. Pricey? Yes, quite pricey. But less than double her initial $300 fee, for many more hours together with her.

It's the power of the package deal.

Obviously, the package deal with a girl from mamba. Ru would be much cheaper than such nightclub girl rates, and normally be something like between $200. $300 for an "all night" booking even with agency girls from the mamba site. It would be each individual monger's choice which way to go. To book a mamba girl for an all-nighter, or to go hunting even more beautiful girls in the nightclubs like D'lux, or Arena or others and try to work out a good deal with one of those hotties, or the same at a strip club with their hottest girls.

The only thing is that I don't think it so adviseable to consider an "all night" with any girl, until she has proven her merit in a short term booking previously with you. So really it's more for repeat business, or in the case envisioned by Stevie69, for an all day booking with a girl in whose arms you have spent the night, and you know you will enjoy her pleasant company. And also obviously, this whole idea of long term all night or all day bookings will only appeal to a monger who enjoys the company of a beautiful girl even not for sex but just for companionship and is happy to pay a reasonable rate for companionship also. However, there are mongers who are very bottom line oriented, and though they ate willing to pay for an hour to have sex, once they shoot their load, they have no interest in paying a girl to spend companionship time. So of course to each his own.

The foregoing is why a price of $800 being extracted by a girl at Rio for a booking ending at 5:00 am, is so objectionable. It exceeds the club's own well known "all night" fee of $400, by double. And it represents simply a multiple of the $100 / hour rate for as many hours, and reflects no package deal rate for all night, as is customary universally. The monger who paid $800 for all night was cheated by price gouging apparently going on at Rio. He could have avoided it had he read this thread more carefully and known the usual prices in advance. The price gouging it represents is unprecedented, and that's why it's so objectionable, even in the high priced venue where it occurred.

LJ

Gentleman Travel
06-18-12, 21:01
So much space here after adding LJ to my ignore list. Lovely. Never used the ignore list before in all those years but I can recommend it if you come across someone you find really pointless.

AColonizer, I will come over in July and the ones I have quotations from ranged from 80-200 USD, with no correlation to looks or age. I found them on Mabma and believe it or not, they conformed that they are real and we have exchanged messaged on Mamba and / or Skype.Glad you discovered the "ignore" function. Embrace "Ignore", it is your best friend here!

But if you are still reading Acolons messages, then you are not being selective enough!

Member #4491
06-18-12, 22:49
glad you discovered the "ignore" function. embrace "ignore", it is your best friend here!

but if you are still reading acolons messages, then you are not being selective enough!he is full of bs but still the essence of what he writes has truth to it. and i like the fact that he brings some perverted spice to this board. i actually wish he would post more about rep002s and all night ass f*cking. beats pages and pages of badly disguised commercials for "the club" or what suit to buy to be hip this week.

gt, i like your name. bet the girls does as well. i have a similar alias on many sites. one that indicates some classy treatment and "global precense". corny name but females like free shit, and few things are better than a free travel for many. that lantern of hope should be lit with a gf to be in order to speed things up towards eating beard burger. i did a few trips with girls and after 3-4 days i normally start to get seriously bored. did anyone here take some ukrainian talent to for example dubai for just a long weekend?

b.

AColonizer
06-19-12, 00:09
Bravo! If you and your fellows continue on this way, then this thread is not about Kiev but about mental masturbation. Dozens and dozens of flames and gossips!


Glad you discovered the "ignore" function. Embrace "Ignore", it is your best friend here!

But if you are still reading Acolons messages, then you are not being selective enough!

Stevie69
06-19-12, 08:33
Again, $300, $500 or $800 for "all night" is insane, not a "package deal". I have read somewhere that the average porn scene lasts 12. 5 minutes. These are professionals. Maybe you are better, two times better, or even 4 times better, and you would still not make it to a full hour.

At FKKs the standard time is 30 minutes. In most cases you see couples coming back out in about 15 (and that includes clean up and whatever else they did there that did not include actual sex). If for some reason you are still gong at the 15 minute mark the girls are surprised, usually not pleasantly surprised, and they might start complaining.

In any case, taking a girl to your apartment or hotel room is different, but still, even with all the preamble and clean-up, and even if you are s super stud that belongs in a porn studio, a session will seldom last longer than 1 hour.

Even if you have the refractory period of an 18 year old and are ready to go again in 15 minutes, there is still the Collidge effect (repeated arousal is easier with different partners). Even if you area able and willing, will she? How many times would she be willing to have sex during that "all night" deal? Maybe I am begin too modest here, but I guess that for most of us. 3 times per night would be the maximum (before going to sleep, in the middle of the night, maybe, if she agrees, and in the morning).

So, mostly you are paying her to sleep. Not even to talk with you, be with you, show you around the city, make you feel good by hanging from your arm in public. You are paying her to sleep. She gets to sleep in an apartment that is likely nicer than her own, and you might not get a good night's sleep.

That is not a package deal. A package deal is standard for the first about (100 USD or less) and less than than (maybe 50) for the second about in the morning. If she wants the full price she can come back in the morning, or she can stay and inconvenience you and sleep there with you.

Otherwise, you are paying her, to sleep. You are paying her half a month's or a full month's salary to sleep for 6 hours. What a great job!

Strike 69
06-19-12, 14:40
LJ, I read the first three lines and had to stop. It is only you who don't understand. I will just come and hold your hand instead, LJ. I will help you to type even.

You are the first to make it onto my block list ever here on ISG. Not because you are pathetic but because you are meaningless.

I will not see your responses but I am sure they will be lengthy and verbose, aiming at defending your manhood for your fantasy mates here at ISG. Don't forget to mention RIO at least once a day here.

BarbaTo block annoying folks is the most wise thing ever, no need to waste precious energy arguing with weasels, I had similar experiences on FB an VK and I preferred to use the block function rather than feeding the trolls.

Dellam
06-19-12, 15:20
Need som advise, I was in Kiev last week and have a good time at Rio. I want to have contact with a girl that I meet over there. I remember here name but I lost the phone number. I need to know if she's working for the next trip.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Dellam

Golfinho
06-19-12, 17:48
Stevie, Joey, oy and vey. You're right: put the shills on ignore. Shame it took so long to get this called out.

Reiner Otto
06-19-12, 20:00
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/euro-2012-blog-prostitutes-disappointed-with-foo-2.html#.T-DMCPX4WSp

AColonizer
06-19-12, 21:11
I am looking for new sex talents. And I am getting information about places closer my country.

And I am scared by men's nonsense.

I read reports in Ukraine thread. I see a lot of German advertisements throughout www. I read a lot of reports in Germany and Austria threads. I have contacted prostitutes and a pornstar in Germany.

And I wonder about men's nonsense. Why do men pay prostitutes much more than their regular girls or their wives for pussy condomed fuck (and tongue kiss and pussy lick)? Is it so hard a pussy condomed fuck? Why do men get married with women who don't want sex with their husbands? Why do men get cheated by any kind of chicken girl in that childish way? And why do men continue to pay prostitutes if men are not good at the easier deal with regular girls? And why do men pay crazy prices for sex if men don't know what is real sex and they are surprised for something more than a pussy condomed fuck?

That's frightening what I read throughtout www. Romanians are all over Western Europe, Romania is the official provider of prostitutes in Western Europa. Romanian government knows that, Romanian families know that, too. Congratulations, Romania is a great country indeed! Romanians have the worst attitude as women and prostitutes. And men don't mind about that, men always pay, anyway. I read about men satisfied by "a good fuck, even if she didn't kiss and she didn't make oral without condom", and I wonder "are you happy to pay a rubber doll"? And men don't mind about that, men always pay, anyway.

Just some men can actually appreciate Ukrainian girls. Just some men can understand the difference between a Romanian and an Ukrainian woman. Ukraine is one of the last place where there are still real females. We should protect this place from men's nonsense. More men always pay anyway, and more Ukrainian girls become like Western girls. More men are not good at dealing, and more Ukrainian women become like Western women. Ukrainian girls are not so easy but they are always interesting for better or for worse. That's always exciting to approach any females anywhere in Ukraine. And there are still men looking for some magic brothels in Kiev where to find the solution of their lives.

And I am scared by men's nonsense.

LilJoey
06-19-12, 22:46
again, $300, $500 or $800 for "all night" is insane, not a "package deal". i have read somewhere that the average porn scene lasts 12. 5 minutes. these are professionals. maybe you are better, two times better, or even 4 times better, and you would still not make it to a full hour.

at fkks the standard time is 30 minutes. in most cases you see couples coming back out in about 15 (and that includes clean up and whatever else they did there that did not include actual sex). if for some reason you are still gong at the 15 minute mark the girls are surprised, usually not pleasantly surprised, and they might start complaining.

in any case, taking a girl to your apartment or hotel room is different, but still, even with all the preamble and clean-up, and even if you are s super stud that belongs in a porn studio, a session will seldom last longer than 1 hour.

even if you have the refractory period of an 18 year old and are ready to go again in 15 minutes, there is still the collidge effect (repeated arousal is easier with different partners). even if you area able and willing, will she? how many times would she be willing to have sex during that "all night" deal? maybe i am begin too modest here, but i guess that for most of us. 3 times per night would be the maximum (before going to sleep, in the middle of the night, maybe, if she agrees, and in the morning).

so, mostly you are paying her to sleep. not even to talk with you, be with you, show you around the city, make you feel good by hanging from your arm in public. you are paying her to sleep. she gets to sleep in an apartment that is likely nicer than her own, and you might not get a good night's sleep.

that is not a package deal. a package deal is standard for the first about (100 usd or less) and less than than (maybe 50) for the second about in the morning. if she wants the full price she can come back in the morning, or she can stay and inconvenience you and sleep there with you.

otherwise, you are paying her, to sleep. you are paying her half a month's or a full month's salary to sleep for 6 hours. what a great job!dear stevie69,

i actually agree with you about not wanting to pay for sleeping with the girl. i was only trying to point out just the sheer raw economic advantage possible in getting many more hours with a top flight girl in the context of a "package deal" price of usually little more than double the initial hour price, for many, many hours.

of course, to the extent those hours are spent sleeping, it's more or less pissing the money away. personally, i am not an easy sleeper, and just as you said, the presence of a very hot girl in my bed all night, did not help at all, and my sleep was very disturbed the few times i did this.

for me, in a package deal for multiple hours booking, i look at the time i will have that can be enjoyed while awake with a beautiful girl, who has a nice personality and with whom i have fun talking with and sharing time with. at night or during the day this can include going out to nightclub dancing, or eating together, or cuddling in bed together and talking, or necking, kissing and petting like teenagers, or sitting in a jacuzzi together playing with each other's bodies, or massaging her and being massaged by the girl, or going to musical or cultural events, or seeing sights, or to cafes and bars to drink, or to the beach, or bowling, or a thousand other ways a man can enjoy time with a beautiful young girl whom he likes and enjoys her company, your own imagination and the horizon of your interests is the limit. so if for such companionship time the price is very low, it becomes something to consider. also, as time passes with a girl, it is not unusual to get aroused again after some hours pass and since she is with you, sex can happen again.

of course i recognize that there is a big difference in hooking up with a girl who charges only $100 for the first hour, versus a high priced girl one might pick up in a nightclub like d'lux or a strip club, who might charge $200 or $300 for the first couple of hours with her as her initial rate.

i always say that each monger should spend according to how he likes to spend. if $100 suits a monger as a reasonable hourly price, then he should focus on girls from mamba or other websites who ask those lower fees or try to find girls in nightclubs who will agree to those lower fees, and be satisfied with their level of good looks. most mongers who report their experiences with those types of girls claim that they were able to get girls who were in their eyes very beautiful. so why spend more?

but if there are mongers who honestly feel they are not finding girls who are really that beautiful at the lower prices of $75 or $100 / hour, and they wish to get to much more beautiful p4p girls they see all around in the nightclubs and strip clubs, who are asking higher prices of $200 or $300 for several hours, and they have money and are willing to pay those prices to get the more beautiful girls they want, what sense does it make to criticize their desires for bedding the hot but expensive wg's just because you might be satisfied with less? there really is no right and wrong in this, and each monger should spend as he desires. as long as everyone knows what options are available and on the table, everyone should be free to choose as they like, no?

so if i tell you that i feel i have gotten girls for the higher prices of $300 who in my eyes were far more beautiful than the girls i could have gotten for $100, and i am satisfied that i got good value for the extra money paid because of the higher level of beauty i experienced according to the way my eyes saw the beauty, then why can't some mongers live with the idea of to each his own? we all know beauty is subjective, and is in the eyes of the beholder, so even if for example they actually saw my $300 girl, and didn't think she was so much hotter than their $100 girl, the most they could say to themselves would be,"hmmmm, not for me. i would rather take the girl for $100". but what they can't say is that i should prefer their $100 girl, because my feeling was that she was much less hot than the beauty who i took for $300, because that was my opinion about how the two girls compared in the looks department. it's really a silly argument. it's like two guys getting incensed at each other while arguing over which color is better, blue or red? one guy insists that blue is more beautiful, while the other guy says he enjoys red more. ridiculous argument. or maybe we can argue over blondes or brunettes? tall girls or petite girls? it's all a matter of taste.

when you read the debate between prosal and cruiser d about what kind of clothing and accessories are best to wear to kiev nightclubs to be successful with freebie chasing of the hottest models, did you not say once to yourself, well i would not spend so much money on clothing or accessories or mink coats like these guys, it's too much. but for some guys, spending and spending on high fashion clothing is a must. to each his own, or don't you really think so.

the honest monger report will state that in kiev it's best to try to meet a reasonable amount of girls from websites like mamba for $100 or less per hour and try to find the type of girl you want at these lower pricesis available in kiev. and to also go take a look at the type of girls available for p4p in the various nightclubs, as the former river palace scene has spread out to the various nightclubs, and check out the talent at the strip clubs too, but be aware of the higher prices there versus the lower prices on mamba, and only spend more than the low prices if you personally have compared the beauty levels of both types and feel it is worth it to spend more. the job of a reporting monger is to make readers aware of all the options, as well as the pros and cons, the advantages and pitfalls inherent in each option, so that an informed choice can be made by each monger according to his tastes and his pocketbook. there are too many guys on this forum who have totalitarian mindsets and feel they must intimidate by insult and smear anyone who may differ with their own opinion and viewpoint. it's unfortunate that democratic thinking is not so prevalent. such people perhaps have issues with controlling behavior in the rest of their personal lives and are acting out here on this forum. but it's not rational discourse, and is very tiresome.

i would also like to address what you wrote about the fkk's. i always go to an fkk with the intention of saving money "this time" and only having half hour sessions. but i always find that when i like a girl i end up spending an hour with her and sometimes 1. 5 hours. none of that time is spent "cleaning up". one of the great advantages of an fkk is that all of the time in the room is available for sexual activities.

how does an hour and a half go by of sexual activities when the guy is in his 50's, and no pornstar? it's really not such a difficult thing to carry out.

the sexual activities spread over a 1. 5 hour session include kissing the girl all over and giving her oral sex (daty). if a girl is very beautiful, i enjoy very much licking and kissing her pussy, and i get very aroused from doing it, especially if she begins to become aroused from the good feelings of pleasure spilling through her body because of the flicks of my tongue across and around her clitoris, and her moans and the shudders i can see in her body as she gets near to an orgasm, are very erotic and greatly turn me on, and needless to say when she reaches a climax and her body convulses in a shattering orgasm, i am immensely pleasured and entertained. but sometimes a girl's mind is not tuned in and then she doesn't get so aroused and so i discontinue my efforts. i can usually spot the fakers and don't continue on with them very long. so with a girl who is into enjoying oral sex, this can go on for some time, maybe 10 to 15 minutes or longer, depending on the girl. maybe after a while, we'll switch roles and she will begin giving me oral sex (bbbj) and i try to make this last as long as i can. usually, unless the girl gets me in just the right way with the right speed, i can outlast any of them and will not be in danger of cumming before the girl says her mouth hurts and she wants to do something else. this too can go on for a nice little whiile, maybe 15 minutes even, depending on the girl. at this point we are usually over the half hour mark and into the next half hour. at some point she wants to stop blowing me, and i usually get her up on top of me cowgirl style so i can allow her to seat herself comfortably on my dick and ride me for a while which is a great turn on as i get to see the sexiness of her body and shape as she fucks me, and i can see the expressions on her face, and any smiles and her signs of arousal that inspire me. maybe then i turn her around for some reverse cowgirl, and a particular version of it which one girl taught me (where the girl is actually on all fours doggie position between your legs facing toward your feet as you lie on your back with your knees up, and she hooks her legs under your legs and backs up until she's able to sit on your dick. this position is of course very easy for you since you are lying on your back, and it is easy for the girl since she is on all fours rocking forward and back, up and down on your dick, giving you an awesome view of your penetration into her nubile pussy, and since she is not doing calisthenics she will not get tired and can continue this for quite some time. i find it easy to control myself in this position and can prevent myself from getting too aroused and cumming. then after a while, one can switch over to the man being on top missionary for a while until tired of it, flip her around for doggie while you are standing, which is another less stress position than a man can continue for quite a while, and etc. etc. before you know it an hour or even an hour and a half has passed, and you have controlled yourself and the positions and the rhythm and speed of the fucking so that you have not fun yet and with your eye on the clock, you increase the pace and fuck her brains out until you cum just about almost on the mark of your session period.

it's so much more satisfying when you are able to enjoy licking and kissing and fucking a young girl's beautiful body for a long and quite memorable time. to go into a session and just fuck like the blazes until you cum inside 15 minutes of the session, is wasting the opportunity of that sperm load, which you could have used in a more long and drawn out sex session. is the point to get off in as quick a time as possible to spend as little as possible? not for me. having traveled quite a distance to put myself into an fkk club, and into a sex session room with a beautiful young girl, my purpose is to enjoy as many minutes of sexual involvement as i can with each girl. and to recharge in between, and do such sessions with as many girls as i can manage each night at the fkk.

but the dynamics inside of an fkk are different than in kiev. my experience has been that because there are sexy naked women all over you all the time in an fkk, that you get aroused to do more sex there. in kiev, i always end up doing much less because after each girl leaves, i will have to go and get another girl. she is not already standing in front of me naked and playing with my dick until i agree to have sex with her like at an fkk. so in between the time i finish with the first girl in kiev and contemplate the next girl, something else usually comes to mind instead, like sleeping or eating or whatever.

in kiev, i would be happy to be with one very beautiful girl every night of my visit and have her for 1. 5 to 2 hours of sexual activity, and then have another hot girl during the daytime for similar. i would like to sleep alone. but i would also like the pretty girl i had sex with to hang around with me when i'm not sleeping, so i can cuddle with her, bathe with her, lick her pussy more, make out with her, maybe fuck her again if i get turned on from the foregoing, go do outdoors stuff with her or whatever, if it can be arranged at a low and reasonable price for companionship time. and the point was that it is possible with a package deal price for long term companionship multiple hours dates.

lj

PedroToronja
06-20-12, 02:29
Try the clubs, they are full of WG, so you get the P2P you want. Caribbean, Arena, Sky Club, Vodka Bar. I stay away from strip clubs, you get fucked but you don't get laid.

Mamba also provided me with some average and some very good material, including non-pros looking for somebody who can fuck them good. Others need a little help with their finances. Ukrainian men do not care to give their girls good sex. UA girls are sex starved. Guys never go down on them and don't care if they cum.

The Stuntdick
06-20-12, 15:00
Is the River Palace closed.

Thanks

Jojosun
06-20-12, 19:28
Is the River Palace closed.

Thanks.

The River.

Open 24/7. It never closes.

What time were you thinking of Cumming?

Member #4491
06-20-12, 20:16
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YellowPaul
06-20-12, 23:00
I'm thinking about finally making to Kiev in August from 5th-12th. After the Euro cup is finished.

I will start the long process of going through the old threads to gather information but I would appreciate if anybody could give a quick answer to.

1) The best apartment / flat rental which is safe, centrally located and has free WiFi.

2) A attractive female translator / guide. I'm going solo and don't want to waste time.

If any long term mongers are in town and would like to meet up for a beer that would be great.

My PM should be working in the soon.

Cheers.

PY

Goodbye Lenin
06-20-12, 23:34
Is the River Palace closed?

ThanksYes, since summer 2010.

Member #4491
06-22-12, 00:59
I was not complaining about the admin but never mind.

And now I forgot all the other important shit in that post. But somehow other members must have read it since I got one PM and one email on the topic. I am puzzled. Did someone rat me out? Someone here that hates Barba and want him silenced? Intriguing mystery.

Lately I have been lucky with girls from social sites. I have normal correspondence with really pretty girls. Jerk off material stunners even. It makes such a difference to take one step away from the drooling P4P seeking sex depraved pocket wanker personality, and be just a fun guy looking for some "excitement and friendly people to hang out with" (yea right). One girl was talking today about how she met a young football fan and ended up kissing him but nothing "serious" would ever happen between them anyway since he is now gone. She is eager to meet and show me her favorite beach. She mentioned that she loves sex and would never ruin that with doing it for money. Just a sexually liberated girl that wants some fun.

I am also puzzled about this streak of luck lately with the girls from the various sites. Another sweet and very pretty girl has clearly a history of being quite an exclusive travel companion since she is posing on pictures that indicates that she f*cked herself all the way to Egypt and onto an expensive boat. Really happy and friendly person in her communication and she has a "normal job" as well. Maybe she would be a good talent to invite to Dubai. I think I got to meet her in July. I will get back on that topic and maybe even post some juicy details on this mystery girl. She seems to be girlfriend material but her pictures indicates I would need to share her. As long as she shares her friends, that is totally fine with me.

Yellowpaul, do you intend to stick your t-rex in the guide or is it a real guide you need? Let me suggest you look for an apartment around Khreschatyk on for example http://kievapts.com/.

AColonizer, like your comparison with the rubber doll. You are a strange bird but you are telling the truth sometimes. These mentally corrupt rubber dolls do not deserve our money.

Barba

Limarian
06-22-12, 19:41
I see that this site has really started cleaning itself up. The search criteria now exclude the 'looking for sex for money' category. Is the the beginning of the end?

Gentleman Travel
06-22-12, 20:26
I am also puzzled about this streak of luck lately with the girls from the various sites. Another sweet and very pretty girl has clearly a history of being quite an exclusive travel companion since she is posing on pictures that indicates that she f*cked herself all the way to Egypt and onto an expensive boat. Really happy and friendly person in her communication and she has a "normal job" as well. Maybe she would be a good talent to invite to Dubai. I think I got to meet her in July.I have dabbled with inviting girls to join me on trips, but never made it happen yet. Just haven't got the stars to align.

But I now have a couple of good prospects lined up, one I have met but not fucked, and the others I have talked to enough that I believe it could happen with the right opportunity. By that I mean they are not scammers and are sufficiently motivated to meet an unknown but seemingly nice guy for travel sex.

But I have learned a few things along the way. Obviously scammers are the biggest hazard. "I would love to come with you but I need money for a visa... I can only get a Schengen visa by paying $200 at the Polish Embassy...." etc.

So I only talk to girls on the basis that they get (or preferably already have) their visa. Some will advertise themselves like that way, because they know it is a big barrier. The uncertainty alone is not worth the hassle with an un-visa-ed girl.

But the bigger problem is the "exclusive travel companion" type like you mentioned. Once I see photos of them on a yacht or on a private jet or in the Maldives, or even saying "5* hotel" on their profile, I run. They are already spoiled for a guy like me. If they have hung out with Mr. Millions and his buddies on a boat in the Mediterranean, then they have a network of willing sponsors who are in luxury leagues, and are not going to be content with just sight-seeing around Paris from a modest but charming hotel. Like Russian girls in London, they measure success by how much they can make you spend on them.

I invited a couple of Russian girls to join me skiing in Switzerland or France. The first one wanted to know which resort we would go to and had some pretty strong views on which were the most "elitny". I wanted to avoid those like the plague. I wanted to ski, have fondue dinners and fuck. I did not care about a place with great clubs and shopping. But obviously she did. Probably didn't even ski. The other one, when I asked her what an economical fare from her city to Geneva would be, responded "If you are concerned about being economical, then I think neither you nor I will have a very good time." Well, I am glad she flagged that and was direct about it, because she was right.

Of course what you really want to do (or at least what I want) is to find a girl that has not yet travelled outside of EE. Or at least not to your particular exotic destination, so this is a big treat for them. I think it is Prosal who has so much success with this. Just sits there in Paris and has the dyevs come to him. I think they usually pay their own way, but presumably he wines and dines them in the Eternal City. But he has an unfair advantage living in Paris and single. (Miserable bastard I hate him!) That doesn't work so well in the hick colonial city I live in. It is not exactly a chick magnet and the travel costs make it impractical for most. And for European business travel, I usually have a pretty narrow window to work with. Obviously mongers who live in Europe or travel to EE a lot more frequently than I do have a much easier time making the travel companion thing work for them.

The other thing I discovered is that the Mamba "Fellow Traveller" feature is not very useful. As an experiment I put up a very attractive offer (desirable Mediterranean destination, flexible timing, travel costs) and got no useful responses. Now I did not proactively contact girls who had indicated in their profile an interest in travelling there, which probably would have yielded more results, but I wanted to see if they would contact me and the answer was no. Irish Lad said something like this also, thought Mamba travel profiles were a waste of time, and he would know. It probably makes more sense to just contact girls whose profiles you like and make the offer when you have established a rapport. But don't lead with it. I suppose that has the advantage of avoiding being preyed on my scammers and travel princesses.

Anyway, I would be interested in hearing about other people's (more successful) experience with travel companions.

Gentleman Travel
06-22-12, 20:37
Is the River Palace closed.No, it is open and hopping. People who tell you otherwise are just trying to keep it to themselves. Any cab driver can take you there.

Between River Palace and Rio you can enjoy the very best Kiev has to offer without even trying! No need to look any further. Enjoy.

Delta Indigo
06-22-12, 20:46
No, it is open and hopping. People who tell you otherwise are just trying to keep it to themselves. Any cab driver can take you there.

Between River Palace and Rio you can enjoy the very best Kiev has to offer without even trying! No need to look any further. Enjoy.But many people insist that River Palace is closed and it was fantastic and now they have to settle for Rio or put more effort into it.

Unlike Rio, River Palace had few detractors, is it really open contrary to what many people insist or was it just closed for a while?

Climaxnow
06-22-12, 21:57
But many people insist that River Palace is closedNope! I was there last night. I usually do a twofer between RP and Rio. Mongering just does not get any better than this combo.

Climaxnow
06-22-12, 22:06
But the bigger problem is the "exclusive travel companion" type like you mentioned. Once I see photos of them on a yacht or on a private jet or in the Maldives, or even saying "5* hotel" on their profile, I run. They are already spoiled for a guy like me. If they have hung out with Mr. Millions and his buddies on a boat in the Mediterranean, then they have a network of willing sponsors who are in luxury leagues, and are not going to be content with just sight-seeing around Paris from a modest but charming hotel. Like Russian girls in London, they measure success by how much they can make you spend on them.These are sharp words. If a girl is no longer impressionable, just move on. Otherwise you will have your balls busted in the wrong way.

Goodbye Lenin
06-22-12, 23:29
Nope! I was there last night. I usually do a twofer between RP and Rio. Mongering just does not get any better than this combo.Good joke! I already see some "pilgrim" booking a flight to Kiev to go there. BTW River Palace was closed down and the boat towed away around 2 years ago.

CastOnThis
06-23-12, 03:32
Guys has anyone ever tried this out? http://kievapts.com/. I want to rent an apartment and I don't want it to go to a scam. Are they legit?

Stevie69
06-23-12, 09:21
Yes, Kievapts is legit. I have used it before. Ask them where their office is. I found that it is better when you can walk from their office to your apt, just in case something goes wrong. Several of these places have their offices in the centre, which works fine.

About travel companions, try www.travelgirls.com, which has thousands of willing travel partners. Many explicitly state that they are not escorts but really, who are they fooling?

Video chatting would be essential, of course, before agreeing to anything.

In most cases, you would have to fly them in, but if you live in a top destination, where hotels cost an arm and a leg, they might be willing to pay their own costs. This might work if they are already planning to be in the area.

As usual, you have to avoid the ones who are going to measure their fun by how much they make you spend on them. You want the ones who realize every night they spend with you they are actually saving 100-400 dollars, depending on where you live.

Prosal
06-23-12, 09:27
Anyway, I would be interested in hearing about other people's (more successful) experience with travel companions.IMO this is an option only with a girl you have built through long chats, sms, booty calls, ect, a good intellectual and emotional harmony with. In the other cases, it's too aleatoric and risky.

Lincs007
06-23-12, 14:51
Hi Guys. Great posts by the way and some great pictures also. I am an English guy just arrived in Kiev for the match and am intrigued to know where the best place is to pick up a girl (I know this has been discussed a million times before). Would be nice to not have to pick up a working girl so to speak but if thats all there is then fine. Can you please pm me with possible ladies, places and any pointers as to how to be succesful this evening?

Thanks in advance

Shoutout1999
06-23-12, 23:03
Guys has anyone ever tried this out?

http://kievapts.com/.

I want to rent an apartment and I don't want it to go to a scam. Are they legit?I was in Ukraine 2 months ago. I didn't try this site but I booked 2 different ones on dobovo. You'll find out that several companies work together on providing the same apartments. I have to say I impressed with the apartments, though I was charged one night for reducing my stay by 2 nights (unlike in hotels where they don't charge you if you leave early). If you want specifics on the 2 apartments I stayed in I can help you with that.

Hope that helps.

Member #4491
06-24-12, 02:00
Guys has anyone ever tried this out?

http://kievapts.com/.

I want to rent an apartment and I don't want it to go to a scam. Are they legit?Yes I have. They are legit and will fill your fridge with food for just a few dollars (plus the cost of what you order).

Barba

Member #4491
06-24-12, 02:22
Good points from many contributors.

Gentleman Travel, the visa issue is clearly a deal breaker. Thank you for pointing out that this should be a parameter in the search. I sent money many years ago to some crying pinays with a dying uncle, a house on fire and a dead water buffalo and will never do that mistake again.

I have invited girls (non EE) to various destinations around the globe but these where all normal, underpaid girls that wanted an adventure. Non where of this more professional type. Saw one guy in Thailand that had three Russian speaking SUPER HOT girls by his side. Smoking and being bitchy, so not my type of girls but never the less he was probably fucking models every day that vacation. Totally see your point with the spoiled luxury hoes. I will meet this luxury yacht girl over a lunch and see what it amounts to.

In the past I met girls who fucked me for next nothing, even if they had been living in luxury just some months ago. As one said;"I have a very irregular income". If I ever do take one to Dubai, it will be someone that will be entertained and satisfied by what relative luxury I can or want to offer. One of the girls I met in Kharkiv is a clear candidate. She never left EE and will for sure f*ck me ever morning, noon and evening in gratitude. She will bore me after three days, so a weekend trip is perfect.

I registered with www.travelgirls.com Once, but got scam vibes. Maybe the site just needs to be worked properly. Will try it again.

Barba

Duesentrieb
06-24-12, 09:51
I visited this strip club at saksaganskogo street yesterday:

http://kiev.restoranchik.com.ua/place/striptiz-klub-xxi-vek-kiev-saksaganskogo-51.html

Prices are high, it is near a rip-off. 200 Grivna Entrance. 400 Grivna for a Private Dance which last 5 or 6 minutes. A Drink comes 100 Grivna.

Take out for a girl there is 300 $ for three hours.

Climaxnow
06-24-12, 17:37
I have a friend that would like to visit me in the US. Does anybody know what basic criteria the US consulate will use for a college aged single traveler. How can I stack the deck to increase the odds of acceptance? She just finished school, has no money, and no meaningful employment.

Cruiser D
06-24-12, 18:16
I have a friend that would like to visit me in the US. Does anybody know what basic criteria the US consulate will use for a college aged single traveler. How can I stack the deck to increase the odds of acceptance? She just finished school, has no money, and no meaningful employment.Zero chance. Next question.

Cruiser D
06-24-12, 18:20
I see that this site has really started cleaning itself up. The search criteria now exclude the 'looking for sex for money' category. Is the the beginning of the end?Looking "For Fun" has replaced it.

Girls looking for men in the 18-60 age range are pros or semi pros.

LilJoey
06-24-12, 18:38
Looking "For Fun" has replaced it.

Girls looking for men in the 18-60 age range are pros or semi pros.This little piece of intel deserves a bigger announcement considering how much mamba. Ru is used by the monger community to find good inexpensive p4p in Kiev.

There may be a connection to the fact that many of the profiles on mamba that I tried earlier this year linked me to a site on a parallel website called "Sexmamba", which unfortunately had a confirmation procedure that involved sending SMS to the site only from certain European telephone exchanges, and I never was able to complete registration while I was in the USA, so I got no farther with it. I assumed it was some sort of effort to create a site which was all about p4p only for the mamba advertisers who were pro or semi pro. It may have been a preliminary step to the clean up of the mamba site and the change in the search criteria which I also noted in a prior post.

Reports from those of you using the mamba site to get p4p girls over to your apartment, and any pointers you discover in the process, will be helpful.

Happy mongering.

LJ

Cruiser D
06-24-12, 18:41
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/euro-2012-blog-prostitutes-disappointed-with-foo-2.html#.T-DMCPX4WSpFEMEN and Ukrainian girls in general have way too high of an opinion of themselves. They think foreign men are just flocking to Ukraine to be with the world's most perfect girls.

P4p sex in Ukraine is about on par with any country I've been to. Semi pros in my location in the US are on par with what I experience in Kiev.

The difference between Ukraine / Russian girls and Western girls. 5-10 kilos, baggy jeans and athletic shoes.

Get over yourselves girls.

Norwegian76
06-24-12, 21:00
Thanks for many good posts. I've gone through the posts with interest.

Anyone that has any good tips for daytime activities? Looked through Mamba, but it seams like a lot of fake profiles.

Rio looks like a winner at night time, but where to catch up with the girls during daytime?

Planning a trip to Kiev in end of July.

LilJoey
06-25-12, 07:30
thanks for many good posts. i've gone through the posts with interest.

anyone that has any good tips for daytime activities? looked through mamba, but it seams like a lot of fake profiles.

rio looks like a winner at night time, but where to catch up with the girls during daytime?

planning a trip to kiev in end of july.you can't go wrong by reading farther back in the thread. you can click on my username and get a link to my prior posts. i have laid out the way to go about planning a p4p mongering trip to kiev in detailed posts on numerous occasions, discussing the pro's and cons of the various options. there are good posts with solid usable information by many others too. unfortunately there are also a number of argumentative members whose posts are of little value to someone trying to plan a trip. you will have to learn to recognize those members whose reports have some value to you in planning versus those that are just a distraction from that purpose. but overall you will benefit by reading the thread from at least last march 2011.

that being said, your comment regarding using mamba. ru indicates you haven't come across even my quite recent report about the "correct reason for using mamba". i recommend that post for you to read. it will explain why despite the many fake pictures on mamba, it is still an effective tool to finding inexpensive and good looking girls for p4p, as long as you keep trying long enough and order girls a sufficient number of times. eventually you are going to meet a girl who is good enough.

(note: there are a few members on this thread who have claimed that in their experience most of the mamba profile pictures are true. these members include recent reports by barba and even roll buzz. these claims that mamba has mostly true pictures clearly contradict the many other prior reports you will find in this kiev thread over the last year reporting that the mamba pictures turned out to be fakes for the most part and that girls who looked nothing like the mamba profile pics were showing up for the appointments made. there are so many reports of this nature in the past year on this thread of actual experience reports indicating the mamba profile pics were fakes for the most part that i took it for granted that everyone knew this, and was actually surprised when reading claims by barba and afterward roll buzz to the contrary. unfortunately, it was not possible to engage in lucid communication with barba to figure out why there should be such a contradiction in reported experience on this thread, and what was he actually talking about, because he took such personal offense to the mere audacity of being contradicted by me and became so enraged at this, that he had the equivalent of a child's temper-tantrum right here on the thread, replete with name calling and acting out, so that no rational communication was possible.

however, i believe i have figured out the solution by myself and where the "misunderstanding" really was. you see, mamba. ru is a website on which many different types of girls have placed profiles. these mamba profiles include professional working girls, as well as semi-pros looking to make needed supplemental cash or find "sponsors" to pay for some of their expenses, as well as escort agencies, and girl apartments. the foregoing i will call the "mamba p4p girls". in the past, these mamba p4p girls included phrases in their profiles that openly stated "offer sex for money", or more tactful perhaps "looking for a sponsor", or even less obvious "looking for a one night stand". the responses one usually received to inquiries sent to such p4p girls which stated innocuously something like,"you are very pretty. i would love to meet you. if you are interested, please send me your phone number and your conditions," would invariably be right to the point, and state something like the rates for certain sexual services. and you could follow up for additional information. in communicating with such girls on mamba it became very clear, very quickly that you were dealing with a p4p date, and she would show up to your apartment expecting the fee stated. these are p4p profiles, many of them inserted on mamba by agencies or girl apartments. typically, after a short while the profile itself got deleted. the same girl / agency opened other profiles. many girls or agencies inserted simultaneous multiple profiles. this became obvious when in back and forth communications information sent to one girl about my plans became known by other girls to whom i had not sent it. now the foregoing relates to p4p girls, which was the exact type of girls i was seeking on a short stay in kiev. i was not looking to date a girl for a couple of dates and "maybe" get some sex. i wanted to find guaranteed immediate sex, and for that one seeks out p4p working girls. and there were plenty of wg's plying their trade on mamba. ru. about these mamba p4p girls it was stated in the reports time and time again, beware, they are using fake pics and bait and switch tactics, but with persistence and trying enough girls you can get a decent enough looking girl or maybe even better.

but, aside from p4p girls, there are also many other regular girls on mamba using it as a social website and looking for friendships and relationships as well as travel companions. these are the "mamba regular girls". when i was using mamba to find p4p girls i deliberately ignored and tried to weed out these regular girls looking for love and marriage and friendship and long term dating. i was not interested in friendship dating for the three nights i would be in kiev. i was looking for a girl who would definitely get down to serious business that very night that i met her for the first time. so these regular girls advertising on mamba were not of interest to me during a short term visit to kiev. quite obviously a regular girl looking to find a nice man to date for a real relationship is much less likely to use a fake picture. what would be the point? as soon as the first date happened and the parties met, the game would be up, and she would have to answer for her deceptive actions-not a good way to begin any real relationship. further to authenticate herself, and to see your authentication, she would more readily agree to exchange further pictures and to skype and other such ways of seeing each other.

thus, the statements of barba and roll buzz of finding mostly girls who used true pics can make sense if they were dealing with regular girls on mamba. ru, and not with respect to the p4p girls who mostly use fake pics. there was probably no real argument. the answer to the contradiction in the reporting is that we were talking about different things (regular girls versus p4p girls). unfortunately, the distinction wasn't perceived at first, and was submerged in the temper tantrum.)

the p4p girl or agency who has used a fake picture of a girl far more beautiful than herself to attract you to call and invite her to your apartment for paid sex, has no incentive to send you other pictures of herself that expose the lie and show her less attractive self. instead, she and / or the escort agency is depending on the premise of "bait and switch" which hopes that the customer is horny enough to keep the girl sent even though she's not the beauty in the profile picture, because the girl who actually did come is good enough in your eyes. sometimes she isn't and gets sent back. sometimes she is and you keep her.

daytime activities:

because of the foregoing, even though it is frustrating to have to order p4p girls to your apartment and wait for them when they come late, and then send them away if they don't look good enough, chasing mamba p4p girls is a good daytime activity, and you may be lucky and get a good girl showing up sooner rather than later.

in addition, you may wish to try to go after mamba regular girls, and try the method i described in earlier posts, of speed dating four or five girls each afternoon at bars and cages you have preselected around the downtown area, then you can narrow down your search to the girls who were most promising. however, this is regular dating, and will need some time to bear fruit in terms of sexual experiences. but it's a good daytime activity.

trying to hit on girls in shops and malls is a favorite daytime activity of many mongers. asking for help with something or asking some other questions is the easiest non threatening way to begin a conversation, and if you sense a good vibe, invite for coffee or a drink later.

going to girl apartments is another good daytime activity. you can ask various taxi drivers if they know and can take you to various girl apartments downtown. there are also shills you may bump into when you walk around downtown who will directvyou to where a girl apartment is.

you need more to do? sleeping. sleeping is a very good daytime activity to do, especially if you plan to be a vampire at night and need tge strength to prey upon the young beauties of kiev all night long. lol.

as far as nighttime, although rio has been a favorite of mine, it is relatively highly priced at $300/3hours of take out plus the incidental costs of a visit to the club. there is also the newly opened sister club mandarin, as well as slightly higher priced dolls strip club. but just so you should know, it has been reported here on this thread that there is a lot of really good action going on in the regular nightclubs in kiev with working girls in the nightclubs who look as good as the best of the hotties in the strip clubs, and the good news is that the prices for these extremely hot wg's in the nightclubs are reported to have come down to prices like $200/2 hours or less, which is significantly lower than the prices in the strip clubs. so if cost is a consideration for you, it would pay to check out the situation in the regular nightclubs mentioned in this thread not too far back and frequently, because you may be able to get a real hottie for much less cost than in the strip club. you will have to judge which is an easier and more efficient environment to operate in, but the reports i have read about the cost differential is significant enough to warrant that you check out the clubs first to see what's available, in what quantity and concentration, and in what quality and cost level.

do your research and reading of the thread, prepare mamba. ru contacts in advance of coming, and when you do visit, please remember to post your observations and experiences which are very helpful.

lj

Duesentrieb
06-25-12, 10:22
I visited the small Strip-Club TIXI OMUT vesterday:

http://www.afisha.ru/kiev/club/16667

It is in Harkovski Raion, left bank of Kiev. Nice Place and moderate prices (Entrance 100 Grivna, PrivateDance 200 Grivna).

5 Girls there yesterday, all pretty with a friendly behaviour, not trying to squeeze drinks from you.

Unfortunately there is no take out, so you just get appetite there.

Jojosun
06-25-12, 12:52
Thanks for many good posts. I've gone through the posts with interest.

Anyone that has any good tips for daytime activities? Looked through Mamba, but it seams like a lot of fake profiles.

Rio looks like a winner at night time, but where to catch up with the girls during daytime?

Planning a trip to Kiev in end of July.Is it a trend a pattern or what, when its always the case with a lot of (First Time Posters) who come up with the Tip about" Rio "along similar lines to (Rio looks Like a Winner at Night Time).

Jojosun
06-25-12, 13:13
I visited the small Strip-Club TIXI OMUT vesterday:

http://www.afisha.ru/kiev/club/16667

It is in Harkovski Raion, left bank of Kiev. Nice Place and moderate prices (Entrance 100 Grivna, PrivateDance 200 Grivna).

5 Girls there yesterday, all pretty with a friendly behaviour, not trying to squeeze drinks from you.

Unfortunately there is no take out, so you just get appetite there..

Hi Duestrieb. I am glad to see that you still go back and check out Tixi Omut Club.

You may recall that it was you who first mentioned this club way back in 2009, and following your tip, I went there and posted on it at the time.

Entrance now 100 UAH? Then it has gone up from 30 UAH.

There were a couple of stunners there, but they didn't do take out when I asked one girl.

Didn't you mention that there was some action upstairs?

But with a Sauna next door, I am sure there is more to this club than what seems to be to someone who is not a regular. It looks like a place for locals, not on the tourist trail.

Very good location on the river and with a great Seafood Restaurant next door with live music on weekends (Xata Rabata ). A great place to take a date there and to interact with other boozed up female dancing diners.

Qubei
06-25-12, 15:49
So. Interesting read this thread I have to admit. My friend is living with a girl from Ukraine and will spend all of August there. He asked if I would like come visit. How do you experienced visitors to Kiev think early or late August is in Kiev? Are the students back for university? I will be looking for something casual, semi-pros or normal dates.

Jojosun
06-25-12, 16:08
So. Interesting read this thread I have to admit. My friend is living with a girl from Ukraine and will spend all of August there. He asked if I would like come visit. How do you experienced visitors to Kiev think early or late August is in Kiev? Are the students back for university? I will be looking for something casual, semi-pros or normal dates..

Wait till the first 2 weeks in September.

There is normally a free concert at Independence square.

A great time to hook up.

Everyone is back from their holidays and eager to show off their Tan

Jojosun
06-25-12, 16:14
Thanks for many good posts. I've gone through the posts with interest.

Anyone that has any good tips for daytime activities? Looked through Mamba, but it seams like a lot of fake profiles.

Rio looks like a winner at night time, but where to catch up with the girls during daytime?

Planning a trip to Kiev in end of July.Now you can spend sometime reading (The Latest Volume Of Kiev's Mystery Rio and Sex uncovered)

Duesentrieb
06-25-12, 20:39
Hi Jojosun, as you know, it is always interesting to visit the scene of the crime again.

Yes, the Entrance there is now 100 UAH, well it is Kiev.

Their "no take out policy" seems to be quite strict, but it is true that there is a Sauna in the same house.

For locals, who have the money, the language skills and the connections there are maybe more offers than a short "private dance" but for us, the average ISG-traveller, I do not see any possibilities there.

Member #4491
06-26-12, 01:25
now you can spend sometime reading (the latest volume of kiev's mystery rio and sex uncovered)yea, the pattern of one newbie a week asking about, or mentioning,"the club" is quite clear. any club that constantly advertise themselves that much here are a bit suspicious in my opinion. what a sad person it would be to post questions to himself about that club. i sure hope this is not the case.

liljoey a friend of mine told me you call me a name caller and child in a recent post. i opened the post and read a few lines and he was naturally correct. i disagree to what happened. liljoey, please refrain from calling me anything her or in reality if we meet. we share at least one friend so we might face each other sooner or later. i do not see any point in reading your posts. you might pick a few points with some reader here, but is it really not just pointless to go on and re-digest the opinions on these pictures on mamba, liljoey? you say most are fake, i say many are real. does it matter who is right? people will form their own opinion. just forget about barba and go on with your life, and i will do the same. and then we can say hi and share a drink if we ever meet in your favorite club. we have the right to consider each-others posts totally and utterly pointless. i exercise that right with your posts. over and out.

with regards to the girls advertising travel companions on mamba i was chatting with two girls today when i pretended to work. one opened up for her august plans being undefined and asked me if i had any plans. that is the yacht girl i wrote about. she is fishing for a trip. no talk about money. her regular job seems good so maybe she is not as professional as i suspected. i will meet her next week and then we will see what kind of girl she is. the other is clearly a more or less professional travel companion, with exclusive habits. i think i will ditch her, even though she would make the pope kick his foot through the plexi glass car.

i have followed cd:s advice that i got many months ago and have a list of some 15 confirmed girls in kiev and kharkiv and about 5 suspected saloons / brokers. all from mamba and vk. in addition i have at least 10 conformed contacts shared with me by members and friends here (thank you once again). and then i have 2 girls i would like to see again from previous trip, one being the slim young photo model blonde with funny clothes i posted a pic of here. i elegantly wrapped up the question if i could fuck her in a pm on mamba and she confirmed that barba is "interesting" and that we will spend time now when we are not strangers. my "girlfriend" that wants to stay with me because her dorm / hostel is locked for summer break. next week will call for some serious juggling and speed dating. i need a horny wing man (you know who you are if you see this so pm me if you can join me).

a tip i got from a girl that send me a message or two every other day day: register a vk profile based on say kiev. i was told that many girls will never search for men outside ukraine so by having a "local" profile but with correct information about your location, you will be found by more females. i am yet to evaluate this, but the girl seems initiated and it sounds reasonable. please share the outcome if you try this approach.

barba

Climaxnow
06-26-12, 03:06
So. Interesting read this thread I have to admit. My friend is living with a girl from Ukraine and will spend all of August there. He asked if I would like come visit. How do you experienced visitors to Kiev think early or late August is in Kiev? Are the students back for university? I will be looking for something casual, semi-pros or normal dates.I personally believe September is the best month of the year to pick up girls.

Duesentrieb
06-26-12, 10:00
I was at the disputed RIO Club yesterday (not for the first time). It was very crowded (a lot of foreigners, Euro visitors mainly).

Everyone has a right to his own opinion- and in my point of view at RIO the atmosphere is to cool and the girls act to snobby.

On the other hand the place is good organized, you get your drinks fast and the staff is friendly.

So it is neither a tourist-trap nor a heaven for sex tourists- it is just a big strip-club in the capital of Ukraine.

You can have a good time there or you can just waste your money. It's up to you.

CastOnThis
06-26-12, 16:54
Looks like I will be going to Kiev on August. And will be staying there till late August. So its not a good time to go? That is a shame. I will be looking to score with several freebies and escorts from strip clubs. I hope all turns out well.

The Stuntdick
06-26-12, 17:27
.

The River.

Open 24/7. It never closes.

What time were you thinking of Cumming?We will be there August 3 to 10th. Looking to have some fun.

LilJoey
06-27-12, 00:33
Looks like I will be going to Kiev on August. And will be staying there till late August. So its not a good time to go? That is a shame. I will be looking to score with several freebies and escorts from strip clubs. I hope all turns out well.Don't worry too much about it, since your trip dates are already fixed. What Jojosun wrote about September being a better time, as the students have returned, is correct. Neverthess, even though there is less young pussy available in August, there is still enough to have a good time. You'll just have to work a little harder. For example, I was in Kiev for the last weekend of August and beginning of September last year, and noted that there weren't as many hotties to choose from in the Rio line up, as there had been during previous visits. But I found some hotties that were fun to be with nevertheless. I'm sure the same is true of the other venues in Kiev such as the regular nightclubs, or the websites, like mamba. Ru or others. There may be less, but there will be enough, in all likelihood. So don't fret, do it all, have fun, and let us here about your exploits here on the thread.

LJ

Jojosun
06-27-12, 11:12
We will be there August 3 to 10th. Looking to have some fun.Keep looking and you will find it.

Jojosun
06-27-12, 11:18
I was at the disputed RIO Club yesterday (not for the first time). It was very crowded (a lot of foreigners, Euro visitors mainly).

Everyone has a right to his own opinion- and in my point of view at RIO the atmosphere is to cool and the girls act to snobby.

On the other hand the place is good organized, you get your drinks fast and the staff is friendly.

So it is neither a tourist-trap nor a heaven for sex tourists- it is just a big strip-club in the capital of Ukraine.

You can have a good time there or you can just waste your money. It's up to you.Rio in the best way of being Summed Up.

" neither a tourist-trap nor a heaven for sex tourists- it is just a big strip-club in the capital of Ukraine.".

With some options of take out at US$300 plus for 3 hours.

Its Up To You.

Climaxnow
06-27-12, 21:40
I will find out soon enough what is the story in ukraine. I will my experience in Kiev and Odessa. I will post my report by June 12 or 14.What happened to this guy? He asks a million questions and doesn't offer the courtesy of a report. I am going to send him a nasty pm with a piece of my mind.

Jojosun
06-27-12, 23:17
What happened to this guy? He asks a million questions and doesn't offer the courtesy of a report. I am going to send him a nasty pm with a piece of my mind..

CN. Give him a break. Another 4 weeks maybe and Then.

PedroToronja
06-27-12, 23:52
Y.

A tip I got from a girl that send me a message or two every other day day: register a VK profile based on say Kiev. I was told that many girls will never search for men outside Ukraine so by having a "local" profile but with correct information about your location, you will be found by more females. I am yet to evaluate this, but the girl seems initiated and it sounds reasonable. Please share the outcome if you try this approach.

BarbaCan you give me the link to that VK site? I use Mamba and got myself some very good pussy from pro, semi-pro and just 'civilians' looking for a good fuck. Ukrainian men either don't like to, don't care to satisfy their women or just don't know how to. It is great for us!

I will be there in July. Anyone wanting to hunt together, or have a drink and compare notes, let me know.

Barba, I agree with you regarding the shill for the 'club'. It never goes away.

PedroToronja
06-27-12, 23:58
No, it is open and hopping. People who tell you otherwise are just trying to keep it to themselves. Any cab driver can take you there.

Between River Palace and Rio you can enjoy the very best Kiev has to offer without even trying! No need to look any further. Enjoy.Where is River Palace now please? I used to enjoy that place a lot! Even the restaurant!

I understand they towed the boat somewhere else and closed it. Where is it please?

Naykan
06-28-12, 12:44
Hi Guys,

Where is the best place to meet young girls at day time in Kiev?

Cafee or shopping mall?

Thanks.

Naykan

Raffzahn
06-28-12, 18:51
Where is River Palace now please? I used to enjoy that place a lot! Even the restaurant!

I understand they towed the boat somewhere else and closed it. Where is it please?The road got reconstructed (new overpass) so they moved it up stream to the harbor. Thats north of the funicular, a well known landmark. You got to look a bit, since they where not allowed to put up advertizement of any kind.

H.

Climaxnow
06-28-12, 23:41
Hi Guys,

Where is the best place to meet young girls at day time in Kiev?

Cafee or shopping mall?

Thanks.

NaykanJust walk the streets for girls that look like they have no where to go. If I catch a girl making eye contact, I quickly approach and smell her. If they smell of too much perfume and as if they have not showered for a few days, than I know its going to be my lucky day. Be sure to give a strong "zdrastvootye" upon introduction. You will know immediately if she's game. If you don't have basic language skills, just forget it. No joke about smelling them. At the end of my last trip, I came to realize that you can find lost souls walking the streets of Kiev and I am not referring to street walkers.

McDonalds is worth a look. Keep your eyes open for single girls that don't seem to be part of a clique. They have a unique look. That look a young person has when they belong to nothing and don't know what to do. The Korovan shopping mall is good too but its not in city center.

Jojosun
06-29-12, 00:31
The road got reconstructed (new overpass) so they moved it up stream to the harbor. Thats north of the funicular, a well known landmark. You got to look a bit, since they where not allowed to put up advertizement of any kind.

H.Or Ask Rod Stewart, he would know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1v60FITAfY.

Stay Tuned and you will find her.

Bless Her, And Bless All The Girls Who Sailed With Her.

Yeah Been on Board And Still Got The T Shirt.

Durrman
06-29-12, 16:34
The girls are the hottest. In my first month I banged 4 girls for free, didn't even buy them dinner or drinks. I meet them at bars, street, online. Doesn't matter, girls are always down to talk to me here.

All the girls wanted to have relationships which is even more awesome.

I've been to many cities in Canada, America, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires, nothing compares. Thailand is still easier but it's not the same, girls are either tourist that you will never see again or asian girls that all look the same and mostly retarded.

Highly recommend. I and still there and plan on spending 6 months a year here for the rest of my life.

PedroToronja
06-29-12, 23:32
The road got reconstructed (new overpass) so they moved it up stream to the harbor. Thats north of the funicular, a well known landmark. You got to look a bit, since they where not allowed to put up advertizement of any kind.

H.Yes, I know where the funicular is, next to the Riviera Hotel in Podol, right? So River Palace is like next to the new Fairmont hotel?

Member #4491
06-30-12, 01:30
Can you give me the link to that VK site?Vk. Com is the URL.

I will go to Kharkov this weekend and then on to Kiev after a couple of days. Could not PM you, but feel free to drop me a line and then we can meet up and chase some punani together.

B.

LilJoey
06-30-12, 08:15
Hi Guys,

Where is the best place to meet young girls at day time in Kiev?

Cafee or shopping mall?

Thanks.

NaykanDear Naykan,

Do you have any sort of plan or ideas on the method or actual approach you will use to initiate meeting any specific young girls you may see? I assume by the word "cafee" you mean a cafe at which you sit at a table and are served coffee or other beverages to drink and other items to eat, in other words a restaurant setting. If so, I think that it would be much easier to actually meet young girls in a shopping mall, simply because you can much more easily physically approach any girl you see to ask some sort of question, or make a remark, that can serve to initiate a conversation, whereas if you are seated at a cafe or restaurant, you are more or less limited to conversations that might be started with girls seated right next to you, or while on any line that might exist while waiting to be seated. It seems to me that a restaurant setting is very limiting on the practical aspects of how to approach any girls you might see seated at some table there. Are you willing to just walk up to a table where some girls are seated and say something to them? Your choices of what you might say to them as an opening line, that has a chance of sounding like a normal question or remark (assuming you have thought this through and you actually have the balls and the "game" to do this kind of approach to pick up girls) , seem more limited in approaching a table of women seated together, than in the setting of a shopping mall where you can just about ask anyone about anything and still not be obviously trying to pick the girl up, so that the interaction is more natural. The answer to your question depends on how you plan to approach girls you want to meet, and what you plan to say to them to initiate any conversation. How do you envision yourself doing this? Have you ever tried to pick up women in restaurants in your home town? In shopping malls in your home town? If you haven't, then I propose to you to go perform the experiment in your home town, and see which setting is easier for you to succeed in your home town. It will be much the same when you get to Kiev. Although in Kiev you will be limited to speaking to those young girls who can understand and speak the language (s) you speak, but on the other hand you will have more things to legitimately ask questions about, being a foreigner or tourist. Take this question down to the level of the actual approach you envision yourself making to the young girls you will want to meet, and you will have the answer to your question about in which location or venue is it easier to actually "meet" young girls. If your question related more to simply at which location more young girls are to be found, then I guess the answer is that there will cumulatively be more girls in a shopping mall than in any particular cafe or restaurant. Just some thoughts.

LJ

LilJoey
06-30-12, 08:21
Hi Guys,

Where is the best place to meet young girls at day time in Kiev?

Cafee or shopping mall?

Thanks.

NaykanBy the way, why do you leave out the other very plausible location to meet young girls in Kiev during the daytime, which is obviously in the street, on the sidewalks like Strolling on Khreshchatyk avenue, and in the supermarkets, etc. ? These places are also good settings to meet girls, as well as cafes and shopping malls. Likewise, any good bars that have a daytime scene.

LJ

LilJoey
07-01-12, 02:57
Hi Guys,

Where is the best place to meet young girls at day time in Kiev?

Cafee or shopping mall?

Thanks.

NaykanNaykan, I looked at your prior posts and see it is mostly similar questions in various different threads on this forum. Are you going to post action reports describing your experiences on the thread? Surely you know that That's what it's all about.

LJ

Autounion
07-01-12, 04:38
Hello Guys new to the forum. Visiting Ukraine on July 5th to the 25th. I will arrive at SIP airport and ride into Yalta. I will stay in Yalta for a couple days, and move onto Odessa for a week, than Kiev for another week. All dates being flexible depending on what I find in each place to keep me around.

I would like to sign up for mamba, but am having that SMS issue. Can someone help me with that, perhaps login to my account there and do the access with there phone? That would be super helpful!

PedroToronja- Any suggestions for clothing? I liked your post on that topic. PM maybe.

Barba- wingman needed? I'm here if it will work out nicely for you. Lets meetup, if anything so I can learn a bit, and speak English with someone haha.

Thanks and very useful resource for learning about new places.

Durrman
07-01-12, 14:14
By the way, why do you leave out the other very plausible location to meet young girls in Kiev during the daytime, which is obviously in the street, on the sidewalks like Strolling on Khreshchatyk avenue, and in the supermarkets, etc. ? These places are also good settings to meet girls, as well as cafes and shopping malls. Likewise, any good bars that have a daytime scene.

LJI agree, the malls here are OK but the best is krishatik street, especially when they close it down for cars on the weekend.

LJ, are you in Kiev right now?

Monsoon64
07-01-12, 15:34
Returned last week from a 2 week stay in Kiev- my first trip for a number of years. Purpose of visit was football. Invited my girlfriend to join me which in hindsight was a mistake simply as I envisaged being alone but was joined by a few friends and made others along the way. My mongering was limited but still fun. Was worried that having 20, 000 male swedes plus other male football fans would limit opportunities but during my stay saw countless single babes and pairs of girls strolling the fan zone. In my opinion the good vibe and atmosphere of the Euro's put girls in a sweet mood for fun. Weather was hot, girls hotter and in my few "single days " if was easy to pick up phone numbers. I met 4 mamba girls. One freebie who I turned down because she invited her mate simply for the sake of getting a free meal and drinks out of me. Met 3 paid for mamba girls.all fitted their profiles and photos. One extremely hot in and out of bed. Another very good. And one the usual pimped pro. All cost me 500 hrivna an hour following negotiations. Cannot fault the service and wish to sample more. 2 of the girls I had repeat meets. A few of my English mates visited an arena strip club. Verdict was rip off with girls not even getting naked and drinks expensive.

Having spent much time in Warsaw recently I had forgotten how good Kiev was. It is the best place for mongering in Europe simply due to the vast availability of women- it has a value factor. Downside was the euro's bought out the worst in agencies screwing foreigners or stupid apartment rates. I had 7 homes in 2 weeks but I guess things will be normal soon after.

My report is tamer than usual but I wanted just to recommend Ukraine as an essential visit. People friendly, girls amazing and it's just a great place to visit especially in summer.

LilJoey
07-02-12, 03:11
I agree, the malls here are OK but the best is krishatik street, especially when they close it down for cars on the weekend.

LJ, are you in Kiev right now?No, I'm not in Kiev now, but I so much wish I were there. Miss the action very much, and some of the girls who were my favorites still fill my dreams. I am looking at possible trips in September / October period. Kiev is a great mongering destination. The girls are super.

LJ

Irish Lad
07-05-12, 08:35
Hi Guys,

Where is the best place to meet young girls at day time in Kiev?

Cafee or shopping mall?

Thanks.

NaykanAre we reduced to this now? The best place is anywhere but the men's toilets in Arena.

Here are some tips:-

1. Guys that hunt pussy will get pussy, guys that ask stupid questions won't.

2. RIO is a waste of your time and money. We know 3 girls working there and would fuck 2 of them for free. Maybe. Had 1 back in our apartment after shooters a few times but we didn't bother."We" means myself and my girl.

3. Set your mamba profile to Kiev. Forget the "Looking for fun" profiles unless you just want an agency. Write to anyone you are interested in. Say what you are looking for. You'll get the same % success or better than the other way round. Get someone to help with your mamba profile so at least some of it is in Russian.

4. VK is another source you can use but quickly becoming swamped.

DJ FourMoney
07-05-12, 22:58
The girls are the hottest. In my first month I banged 4 girls for free, didn't even buy them dinner or drinks. I meet them at bars, street, online. Doesn't matter, girls are always down to talk to me here.

All the girls wanted to have relationships which is even more awesome.

I've been to many cities in Canada, America, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires, nothing compares. Thailand is still easier but it's not the same, girls are either tourist that you will never see again or asian girls that all look the same and mostly retarded.

Highly recommend. I and still there and plan on spending 6 months a year here for the rest of my life.Is this even real? LOL.

Okay seriously, possible.

Nice to hear you're doing well. That being said any half way decent guy not over 45 and fairly attractive will get some love in Kiev. Still more single women (unmarried, no children) available at the ideal age (18-45) in Ukraine than in most Western Countries.

Durrman
07-05-12, 23:16
Is this even real? LOL.

Okay seriously, possible.

Nice to hear you're doing well. That being said any half way decent guy not over 45 and fairly attractive will get some love in Kiev. Still more single women (unmarried, no children) available at the ideal age (18-45) in Ukraine than in most Western Countries.Well yeah I'm 24 years old, healthy and I have all my hair LOL. Actually I wish I had a wingman here, it would be so much better. If any of you guys want to grab a beer and talk to some girls let me know, I'm in Kiev till September or so.

PedroToronja
07-05-12, 23:33
Hello Guys new to the forum. Visiting Ukraine on July 5th to the 25th. I will arrive at SIP airport and ride into Yalta. I will stay in Yalta for a couple days, and move onto Odessa for a week, than Kiev for another week. All dates being flexible depending on what I find in each place to keep me around.

I would like to sign up for mamba, but am having that SMS issue. Can someone help me with that, perhaps login to my account there and do the access with there phone? That would be super helpful!

PedroToronja- Any suggestions for clothing? I liked your post on that topic. PM maybe.

Barba- wingman needed? I'm here if it will work out nicely for you. Lets meetup, if anything so I can learn a bit, and speak English with someone haha.

Thanks and very useful resource for learning about new places.Auto, Ukrainian / Russian women appreciate a well appointed man, more so that in other countries where a more 'aloof' look may be 'cool'. First, it shows you can afford to dress well. Most men in that area can't. Most cheap tourists can't or won't. You will see that most men, although they can't afford expensive clothes, they do match the colors very well, mostly black and gray. I received an education when yet another girl told me how they recognize an American tourist: we dress 'like crap'. The extremely casual 'dress code' of most Americans is not appreciated mostly nowhere else in the world, and especially in Eastern Europe. The are not as 'liberated' as we are. The typical American obviously shows with their clothing that they don't give a shit, because mostly they don't. Shorts, mismatching polo or t shirt, sandals. Sneakers at best. That is not liked there. They are 'European', and most so than the western European which are becoming more 'Americanized', therefore more casual. We are all about practicality, we introduced the widespread use of the jeans and even sneakers to places where a more formal attire is expected. To be 'formal' we add a blazer, but still jeans and sneakers. That does not bode well with their culture. Again, pay especial attention to clean, freshly buffed leather shoes and make sure your nails are cut short. If you are amiable to it, have them manicured: they definitely appreciate that. I had never done that in my life and it was a 23 years old Ukrainian beauty who outright 'told me' to do it.

They are not rich, but they do pay a lot of attention to hygiene. Every girl will always shower before and after sex with you, in your own room / apartment. They expect you to do the same, so just in case, hide all your valuables because you will disappear into the bathroom, and it is awkward to start collecting your money, etc. In front of her when leaving the bedroom.

If you use toothpicks, use them in the bathroom, not in the restaurant table as unfortunately many of our fellow Americans do. That is a no-no most anywhere else in the world.

Buy them roses, always odd number (3 will do) and NEVER yellow: it means you are breaking up.

More important, if you care to gain her heart, go down on her. Their men never do. Take your time, give her many Os and she will be your slave.

Do not use handkerchief, use paper tissue. Don't be surprised if they don't drink anything during a meal: it is their popular belief that drinking anything with your meal affects your 'digestion'. Just some cultural differences that you may want to keep in mind.

I love that country, especially their women. And no, most of them are not working girls, at all!

PedroToronja
07-05-12, 23:38
Returned last week from a 2 week stay in Kiev- my first trip for a number of years. Purpose of visit was football. Invited my girlfriend to join me which in hindsight was a mistake simply as I envisaged being alone but was joined by a few friends and made others along the way. My mongering was limited but still fun. Was worried that having 20, 000 male swedes plus other male football fans would limit opportunities but during my stay saw countless single babes and pairs of girls strolling the fan zone. In my opinion the good vibe and atmosphere of the Euro's put girls in a sweet mood for fun. Weather was hot, girls hotter and in my few "single days " if was easy to pick up phone numbers. I met 4 mamba girls. One freebie who I turned down because she invited her mate simply for the sake of getting a free meal and drinks out of me. Met 3 paid for mamba girls. All fitted their profiles and photos. One extremely hot in and out of bed. Another very good. And one the usual pimped pro. All cost me 500 hrivna an hour following negotiations. Cannot fault the service and wish to sample more. 2 of the girls I had repeat meets. A few of my English mates visited an arena strip club. Verdict was rip off with girls not even getting naked and drinks expensive.

Having spent much time in Warsaw recently I had forgotten how good Kiev was. It is the best place for mongering in Europe simply due to the vast availability of women- it has a value factor. Downside was the euro's bought out the worst in agencies screwing foreigners or stupid apartment rates. I had 7 homes in 2 weeks but I guess things will be normal soon after.

My report is tamer than usual but I wanted just to recommend Ukraine as an essential visit. People friendly, girls amazing and it's just a great place to visit especially in summer.Thanks for your report. I met some good chicks with Mamba but on average a 7. I am interested on the one who refer to as hot in and out of bed. Can you tell me age, name, color hair and / or some other clues of how to find her on that site please? I go every 8 weeks, for one week and I will return the favor. I kept that visit stream for 5 years now. Next I will be there 20 to 30 of July and I will be available to meet any of you there for a drink and to compare notes, and maybe do some hunting together.

Climaxnow
07-06-12, 00:47
Is this even real?Nope! Half of the the reports on Kiev thread are from some schmuck with many user names that likes to talk to himself.

Jojosun
07-06-12, 12:53
? I go every 8 weeks, for one week and I will return the favor. I kept that visit stream for 5 years now. Next I will be there 20 to 30 of July
Where is River Palace now please? I used to enjoy that place a lot! Even the restaurant!"You go every 8 weeks for one week, and kept that visit stream for 5 years now ".

Very Interesting? Yet you didn't even know that River Palace was closed in 2010 and wasn't reincarnated?

Climaxnow
07-06-12, 16:11
Auto, Ukrainian / Russian women appreciate a well appointed man, more so that in other countries where a more 'aloof' look may be 'cool'. First, it shows you can afford to dress well. Most men in that area can't. Most cheap tourists can't or won't. You will see that most men, although they can't afford expensive clothes, they do match the colors very well, mostly black and gray. I received an education when yet another girl told me how they recognize an American tourist: we dress 'like crap'. The extremely casual 'dress code' of most Americans is not appreciated mostly nowhere else in the world, and especially in Eastern Europe. The are not as 'liberated' as we are. The typical American obviously shows with their clothing that they don't give a shit, because mostly they don't. Shorts, mismatching polo or t shirt, sandals. Sneakers at best. That is not liked there. They are 'European', and most so than the western European which are becoming more 'Americanized', therefore more casual. We are all about practicality, we introduced the widespread use of the jeans and even sneakers to places where a more formal attire is expected. To be 'formal' we add a blazer, but still jeans and sneakers. That does not bode well with their culture. Again, pay especial attention to clean, freshly buffed leather shoes and make sure your nails are cut short. If you are amiable to it, have them manicured: they definitely appreciate that. I had never done that in my life and it was a 23 years old Ukrainian beauty who outright 'told me' to do it.

They are not rich, but they do pay a lot of attention to hygiene. Every girl will always shower before and after sex with you, in your own room / apartment. They expect you to do the same, so just in case, hide all your valuables because you will disappear into the bathroom, and it is awkward to start collecting your money, etc. In front of her when leaving the bedroom.

If you use toothpicks, use them in the bathroom, not in the restaurant table as unfortunately many of our fellow Americans do. That is a no-no most anywhere else in the world.

Buy them roses, always odd number (3 will do) and NEVER yellow: it means you are breaking up.

More important, if you care to gain her heart, go down on her. Their men never do. Take your time, give her many Os and she will be your slave.

Do not use handkerchief, use paper tissue. Don't be surprised if they don't drink anything during a meal: it is their popular belief that drinking anything with your meal affects your 'digestion'. Just some cultural differences that you may want to keep in mind.

I love that country, especially their women. And no, most of them are not working girls, at all!Yeah, yeah, and yeah! The topic of dressing well in EE has been discussed a jillion times on this thread. We get it! Why don't you share something deeper than what a typical tourist learns in five minutes with a dev? But that's probably not possible for you because an EE dev will smell your rotten soul a mile away.

Sponsor74
07-07-12, 07:32
Auto, Ukrainian / Russian women appreciate a well appointed man, more so that in other countries where a more 'aloof' look may be 'cool'. First, it shows you can afford to dress well. Most men in that area can't. Most cheap tourists can't or won't. You will see that most men, although they can't afford expensive clothes, they do match the colors very well, mostly black and gray. I received an education when yet another girl told me how they recognize an American tourist: we dress 'like crap'. The extremely casual 'dress code' of most Americans is not appreciated mostly nowhere else in the world, and especially in Eastern Europe. The are not as 'liberated' as we are. The typical American obviously shows with their clothing that they don't give a shit, because mostly they don't. Shorts, mismatching polo or t shirt, sandals. Sneakers at best. That is not liked there. They are 'European', and most so than the western European which are becoming more 'Americanized', therefore more casual. We are all about practicality, we introduced the widespread use of the jeans and even sneakers to places where a more formal attire is expected. To be 'formal' we add a blazer, but still jeans and sneakers. That does not bode well with their culture. Again, pay especial attention to clean, freshly buffed leather shoes and make sure your nails are cut short. If you are amiable to it, have them manicured: they definitely appreciate that. I had never done that in my life and it was a 23 years old Ukrainian beauty who outright 'told me' to do it.

They are not rich, but they do pay a lot of attention to hygiene. Every girl will always shower before and after sex with you, in your own room / apartment. They expect you to do the same, so just in case, hide all your valuables because you will disappear into the bathroom, and it is awkward to start collecting your money, etc. In front of her when leaving the bedroom.

If you use toothpicks, use them in the bathroom, not in the restaurant table as unfortunately many of our fellow Americans do. That is a no-no most anywhere else in the world.

Buy them roses, always odd number (3 will do) and NEVER yellow: it means you are breaking up.

More important, if you care to gain her heart, go down on her. Their men never do. Take your time, give her many Os and she will be your slave.

Do not use handkerchief, use paper tissue. Don't be surprised if they don't drink anything during a meal: it is their popular belief that drinking anything with your meal affects your 'digestion'. Just some cultural differences that you may want to keep in mind.

I love that country, especially their women. And no, most of them are not working girls, at all!Hello, agree with you in topic dress. They don't have money for fashion dress but have style. Regerding hygiene disagree; a good warm shower (winter) is a luxory for most of them. But European or USA are not better, go with the public transportation and you will confirm: they have warm showers but don't use them correctly. And shower before sex, I sent Ukraiene, USA or Europe to the shower before we go to bed. Different in Asia, no chance for sex without shower

Prosal
07-07-12, 07:46
Regerding hygiene disagree+1. I've took home dozens and dozens drunk FSU sluts after seriously boozy nights out, and shower has never been on the menu before sex.

Dellam
07-07-12, 11:18
Are we reduced to this now? The best place is anywhere but the men's toilets in Arena.

Here are some tips:-

1. Guys that hunt pussy will get pussy, guys that ask stupid questions won't.

2. RIO is a waste of your time and money. We know 3 girls working there and would fuck 2 of them for free. Maybe. Had 1 back in our apartment after shooters a few times but we didn't bother."We" means myself and my girl.

3. Set your mamba profile to Kiev. Forget the "Looking for fun" profiles unless you just want an agency. Write to anyone you are interested in. Say what you are looking for. You'll get the same % success or better than the other way round. Get someone to help with your mamba profile so at least some of it is in Russian.

4. VK is another source you can use but quickly becoming swamped.Hey,

Do you know the name of the working girls at Rio?

Dellam

Climaxnow
07-07-12, 16:02
+1. I've took home dozens and dozens drunk FSU sluts after seriously boozy nights out, and shower has never been on the menu before sex.This is very true! Assuming the girl is into you (not straight p4p) , you can come home from a long days work with a stinky dick and have your girl suck you on the spot without a wash. It's all based on the notion of "man is man" and "girl is girl".

Hygiene is important to EE girls but only in the sense of normal cleanliness. You obviously don't want to go take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and than go sit down at the dinner table without washing your hands. That could drive a girl to a hysterical hissy fit. Clipping you finger nails is just common sense. Deodorant is completely unnecessary with EE's assuming you shower daily. Never ever ever had a girl mention something about my pits even though sometimes I could smell myself. In a weird way, I could almost sense they were turned on by the odor. Shower before sex is something for those that have to fuck a hand full of different men on a daily basis.

As to grooming, shave your balls and they will think you are a f*t. Although a good occasional trim is nice when things get a bit too hairy.

On a final note, its really sad how this thread has been corrupted by this goof that persistently creates different usernames and passes bad intel to mislead readers. If a lurker has read this thread for the last couple of years, I truly hope you have come to understand that the straight p4p market is not worth the trip to Kiev. The value of any journey out in EE land is only for those that can cross the threshold into girlfriends.

Climaxnow
07-07-12, 23:09
I have a soon to come dilemma. Long story short, I met a girl in Kiev and did not fuck her, just not enough time. What started with some simple emails turned into something very conversational almost on a daily basis. The day of consummation is around the corner and I am scared to fuck a girl without a condom in EE. I already know whats going to happen. Somewhere around the second or third date, she will probably tell me that she doesn't like condoms and I will have to make the choice. This always happens to me. A curse I can not escape.

If I say no, it will through a wet blanket on my hot sex. Then I have to deal with " you think I'm diseased","you don't really like me","I never use those things", blah blah blah. This normally would not be a problem for me in America. I can make a judgement call as to the girl's history and almost always go bareback as soon as the topic comes up. I am a weak man when it comes to this issue and usually break quickly if the girl is hot.

If I say yes, than I have to deal with the brain damage of fucking EE girl bareback in a country with a scary rate of Aids. Yes, I am quite aware this problem lies mostly among drug users. What do you guys think? Any good dev psychology and approach on this topic?

Prosal
07-08-12, 07:00
What do you guys think? Any good dev psychology and approach on this topic?I only can speak from my own experience, but IMO condoms and slavic girls don't mix well. Those girls are too passionate, too emotional, too spontaneous, and they tend to follow their seething instinct without thinking twice (of course I am talking about girls who are into you, not prostitutes or sponsorettes). This is not really compatible with plastic. As is alcohol, and we all know that they drink like Cossaks.

I know there is nothing to be proud about, but I've never ever wrap it up in this part of the world. I mean never ever. I'm not joking. And as far as I can remember, the only two Russian girls who asked me to do so were russians living in Paris since a long time ie who started thinking with a western state of mind.

Delta Indigo
07-08-12, 13:03
I have a soon to come dilemma. Long story short, I met a girl in Kiev and did not fuck her, just not enough time. What started with some simple emails turned into something very conversational almost on a daily basis. The day of consummation is around the corner and I am scared to fuck a girl without a condom in EE. I already know whats going to happen. Somewhere around the second or third date, she will probably tell me that she doesn't like condoms and I will have to make the choice. This always happens to me. A curse I can not escape.

If I say no, it will through a wet blanket on my hot sex. Then I have to deal with " you think I'm diseased","you don't really like me","I never use those things", blah blah blah. This normally would not be a problem for me in America. I can make a judgement call as to the girl's history and almost always go bareback as soon as the topic comes up. I am a weak man when it comes to this issue and usually break quickly if the girl is hot.

If I say yes, than I have to deal with the brain damage of fucking EE girl bareback in a country with a scary rate of Aids. Yes, I am quite aware this problem lies mostly among drug users. What do you guys think? Any good dev psychology and approach on this topic?Has this happened to you before. How long have you been with the girls before this happened? I had heard that most girls were worried about Aids enough for this not to be common. I would not be afraid if they wanted to go off of condoms after a month, but after a few days? Then I would be worried that these girls have some STDS?

About HIV, a lot of people who have it in Ukraine and Russia have it from intravenous drug use and not heterosexual sex, I am of course not saying the risk is not there but am pointing out that if you are certain the girl is not a drug abuser the risk is lower.

The risk of HIV from unprotected sex is not as high as many assume, you can refer to the Wikipedia on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Sexual_contact.

However I have found that girls even in countries with very low HIV infection rates are adamant on condoms.

There is an easy way out of this, suggest mutual testing?

In Kiev the infection rate is much lower than the Russified East (those industrial towns are the worst).

I would be wary of ditching the condom soon, but not after a month or so, if I knew the girl was not a drug abuser. It she wants to go off condoms after a few days, then she does this with everyone.

I personally would not worry about getting HIV from unprotected oral sex, the risk is very low, but I would use condoms for vaginal or anal pentration. Say it is a good method of birth control.

Worrying about having HIV is the worst thing, I have hobbied a lot of times but always used a condom. I had two condom breaks and they caused me enough worry, even though I knew the risk was very low.

I really would not suggest ditching the condom soon to please a girl and then worrying about having HIV, the anxiety is not worth it. If you get serious you could suggest mutual testing.

Climaxnow
07-08-12, 15:37
I only can speak from my own experience, but IMO condoms and slavic girls don't mix well. Those girls are too passionate, too emotional, too spontaneous, and they tend to follow their seething instinct without thinking twice (of course I am talking about girls who are into you, not prostitutes or sponsorettes). This is not really compatible with plastic. As is alcohol, and we all know that they drink like Cossaks.

I know there is nothing to be proud about, but I've never ever wrap it up in this part of the world. I mean never ever. I'm not joking. And as far as I can remember, the only two Russian girls who asked me to do so were russians living in Paris since a long time ie who started thinking with a western state of mind.Yep! Who am I kidding. When I like a girl and she likes me, it can only be one way.

AColonizer
07-08-12, 17:28
And if sexual diseases are just the usual scary story for the mob?

The history is always written by winners. We never know the real history, past present future. Any information and any person could be manipulated by "those ones with power".

I remember what had happened when there were some very small outbreaks of anthrax in USA a lot of years ago. The US government threatened the German Bayer, the main manifacturer of antibiotic ciproxin, because Bayer should sell that antibiotic at a political price in order to avoid a carbuncle epidemic in USA. That was an exceeding warning. And in that time, USA chose a typical European welfare regime instead of their almighty market regime (* * * if a threat can be called "democracy" * * * ).

But the HIV epidemic should be a much more huge trouble than an outbreak of anthrax. HIV epidemic should be widespread in central Africa and in some poverty-struck countries around the world. And what do powerful governments make to avoid the widespread of HIV epidemic? And what do pharmaceutical corporations make to avoid the widespread of HIV epidemic? What do the winners make to avoid the widespread of HIV epidemic?

HIV drugs are very expensive. No Western governments have decided to provide HIV drugs at a political price to avoid the widespread of HIV epidemic. No HIV-specialized corporations have decided to sell their drugs at a political price to avoid the widespread of HIV epidemic. At the last, nobody actually minds about HIV because nobody actually makes anything to eliminate HIV at the source. Everybody has to pay prohibitive prices because HIV drugs are Western property. It would be different if HIV drugs are African property. Meanwhile HIV runs. Meanwhile buy condoms. Meanwhile pray. Meanwhile have no sex.

Therefore two questions arises:

- does HIV epidemic really exist?

- why do Western governments cure a domestic small outbreak by the denial of their capitalist system, and meanwhile they allow an abroad widespreading epidemic by the appeal to their capitalist system?

Uke Boy
07-08-12, 18:10
I only can speak from my own experience, but IMO condoms and slavic girls don't mix well. Those girls are too passionate, too emotional, too spontaneous, and they tend to follow their seething instinct without thinking twice (of course I am talking about girls who are into you, not prostitutes or sponsorettes). This is not really compatible with plastic. As is alcohol, and we all know that they drink like Cossaks.

I know there is nothing to be proud about, but I've never ever wrap it up in this part of the world. I mean never ever. I'm not joking. And as far as I can remember, the only two Russian girls who asked me to do so were russians living in Paris since a long time ie who started thinking with a western state of mind.I generally agree. Most of the time I have sex without a condom with non-p4p "normal" girls. P4p is always condom.

However, I have two main concerns. The first is not AIDS but STDs. Not that it is foolproof, but when I go down to do some DATY on a new girl, or any girl for that matter, I make sure there are no warts, undue odors, scabs, etc. Anything out of the ordinary would give me some serious concerns. If I do have doubts, and that has been a rare occurrence but it has happened, then it is time to rubber up.

The other issue that concerns me as a long time resident is that little thing that can happen 9 months later when you go without a condom. So far so good but it is a surprise that may land on my doorstep at some point down the road! Depending on situation, I do try to ask about her birth control usage but that may or may not be the truth.

Cruiser D
07-08-12, 18:12
You guys are nuts. Anyone who partakes in our 'hobby' and / or engages in a lot of casual sex and doesn't use a condom is an idiot.

It's knuckleheads like you and the girls you tap that should make condom use mandatory.

Guaranteed you both have HPV at the very least.

I don't know what kind of girls you guys are dating but condom use has never been an issue for me or the girls I am tapping.


Yep! Who am I kidding. When I like a girl and she likes me, it can only be one way.

Cruiser D
07-08-12, 18:17
Every girl who's name ends with an 'A' at Rio is a 100% working girl. It's a fact!


Hey,

Do you know the name of the working girls at Rio?

Dellam

Cruiser D
07-08-12, 18:22
I dunno, I've had some pretty good luck at the toliet in Arena but it was when I walked into the female toliet by accident.

I thought you were using the royal 'we' now.


Are we reduced to this now? The best place is anywhere but the men's toilets in Arena.

2. RIO is a waste of your time and money. We know 3 girls working there and would fuck 2 of them for free. Maybe. Had 1 back in our apartment after shooters a few times but we didn't bother."We" means myself and my girl.

Cruiser D
07-08-12, 18:27
If you want to go to a big strip club for a strip club like experience in Kiev go to any of the Rhino clubs. The girls are much better looking.

If you want to over pay a 5-7 for sex go to Rio.


I was at the disputed RIO Club yesterday (not for the first time). It was very crowded (a lot of foreigners, Euro visitors mainly).

Everyone has a right to his own opinion- and in my point of view at RIO the atmosphere is to cool and the girls act to snobby.

On the other hand the place is good organized, you get your drinks fast and the staff is friendly.

So it is neither a tourist-trap nor a heaven for sex tourists- it is just a big strip-club in the capital of Ukraine.

You can have a good time there or you can just waste your money. It's up to you.

Member #4491
07-08-12, 21:16
Was "invited" to Dante club yesterday. A big black hole for the wallet but a lot of really hot girls there. Many nipples hopping around poking Barba in the eyes. 90% of the devs seems to be hooked on money and want you to spend a fortune on them before spreading, but I was too drunk to really claim that I have any true knowledge about the distribution. Maybe there are many that will go for the normal 50-100 USD per hour. All in all the ambiance was good with a lot of dancing and drinking, but 300 UAH to just enter is a joke so I will not go back.

Cheers from Barba (with STD anxiety after being stupid and fucking girls in the ass and p*ssy without condom)

CherchezFemme
07-09-12, 00:58
Serious question since I'm about to spend 6 days at the beach in Odessa.

1- When I go to the clubs in Arkadia district do I need to wear slacks, button-down shirt and stiff leather shoes to a club by the sea on a hot July night?

2- What about walking around town? Can I walk around a resort area in shorts and flip-flops or my Nike Air Max +?

Or will I just look like a clueless American?


The extremely casual 'dress code' of most Americans is not appreciated mostly nowhere else in the world, and especially in Eastern Europe. The are not as 'liberated' as we are. The typical American obviously shows with their clothing that they don't give a shit, because mostly they don't. Shorts, mismatching polo or t shirt, sandals. Sneakers at best. That is not liked there.

Poker Player 2
07-09-12, 01:00
On my May trip to Kiev, my regular Rio girl and I ended up going bareback somehow. I had always enjoyed OWO with her but used a condom for regualar sex with her. She only became concerned when on one of the evenings we were together, I really lost control and finished inside her too! It is no fun finding an Alteca at 3 in the morning. She was a good sport though and told me that she had not gone bareback with anyone since the father of her child. When I got home, I spent a few restless days before my test results indicated that I am clean. I am returning to Kiev next week for a two week trip and it is my intention to keep away from Rio altogether even though my apartment is only a block away! As any poker player will tell you, you must make decisions based on risk\reward analysis when playing poker. Except, I can not explain why I lose control of my senses as soon as the unsmiling Immigration officer stamps my passport upon entry in to Kiev at that magnificant airport.). Logic and reason fails me completely; the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak- to borrow from a best seller book! I just become a person I do not know and can no longer explain my actions to myself, let alone others.

If anyone is around July 12-30 and would like to discuss topics of mutual interest over a beer or two, PM me please! I got an email from my massage girl today telling me Kiev is so hot that it is hard to breath! I am sure she is exaggerating.

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07-09-12, 01:17
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Protocol
07-09-12, 08:51
Serious question since I'm about to spend 6 days at the beach in Odessa.

1- When I go to the clubs in Arkadia district do I need to wear slacks, button-down shirt and stiff leather shoes to a club by the sea on a hot July night?

2- What about walking around town? Can I walk around a resort area in shorts and flip-flops or my Nike Air Max +?

Or will I just look like a clueless American?The "beach" at Odessa is nothing much to speak of. If you are thinking Miami Beach or any other nice beach, this is really not it.

Odessa is dirty and ugly. Beach will be occupied up to one inch of the waterline in general. Unless you can find a "public" beach which will smell bad and be covered in trash.

That said, Itaka is nice, people say Ibiza is the best but it's maybe like any other Ukranian / Russian type judgment, might be more expensive so it's "the best".

I saw a lot of clueless drunken Russian types in their above the knee jean shorts and flipflops going around to the clubs. I was dressed up, looked well off, no drinking. So of course, the cops stopped me to hassle me. Took my passport and held me for 10 minutes asking interminable questions like what my reason to be in France after Ukraine was and where I would be staying in France, etc. While the drunk Russians stumble around and get in fights.

So the answer to your question would seem to be that you are better off dressing to fit in with the crowd. Having just left Odessa, the crowd looked very young, very Russian. I didn't see anyone much who looked over 40 let alone in their 30s. Seemed to be a lineup of WGs at Itaka at the outdoor bar area, but kind of 6-7 ish. I was with some friends and when the girls went dancing got hit on by Germans and Italians on the dance floor and all were rejected.

Can't say I liked Odessa much. Hope your stay is better.

Protocol
07-09-12, 09:07
In Kiev now, brief report. Every time I return to this city it seems to be a bit worse from our perspective but maybe that's just my perspective.

I like Buddha bar for itself so I stop there from time to time. First time the male to female ratio was about 5:1. Small group of 3 working girls sitting on the sofas near the end of the bar. Same group that is there every day, one mildly attractive blonde who likes to dance and asks $500, and her less attractive friends.

Many men sitting at the bar staring at their iPhones waiting for something to happen.

Went to Millenium. First time I ever visited that place, every girl had a smoking fit "Ukranian perfect" body, and I was blown away. This time, they have a couple of girls dancing, one with a good sized spare tire around her gut and another who has that all over soft baby fat thing. A couple of the svelte beautiful girls still. One quoted me $400 to go, which is less than the $500 asked last time, but more than the $300 the first time.

We know this is not the best place or anything, I am just supplying data.

Got a drink for a girl I wanted to check out from last time a bit closer than under the flattering lights. Immediately she went to the champagne (at 900 UAH, declined). Got her a glass of wine she didn't touch, she went to the upsell to take her out, declined, then to the private dance, I said after you finish your wine, then yes. She wouldn't touch the wine though and kept hammering on the upsells so in the end I just told her to go.

Waitresses tending to carry a chip on their shoulder here too for some reason. They seem fine after they know you will tip but before that makes you want to turn around and leave.

There are a couple of nice girls in here though still and a couple of stunners.

Returned to Buddha Bar, male:female ratio had improved by most of the men not coming and the place being empty. Didn't hit it on Friday, Saturday though. Same hard core of 3-4 WGs in the same spot sitting near the end of the bar. Smiled at them but was not interested in girls who are 7s asking $500 for what is sure to be a poor evening and clock watching.

Enjoyed the music, left later.

Made arrangements with several Mamba girls. All of them on the day of don't answer phones, SMS or messages on the site. Contact me three days later,"Sorry, [insert dumbass girl excuse here, like lost my phone, battery out of power, didn't see your message]". Ask to reschedule. Trying to filter out the fakes, the agencies and get down to the girls who are normal and will show up, while still being attractive, is a lot of work, confirmed.

Need to expand my area of activities but feeling older by the minute. Each trip to Kiev makes me hate life a little more so I am doing it wrong.

Belvaros
07-09-12, 11:25
In Kiev now. Many men sitting at the bar staring at their iPhones waiting for something to happen. A+

Too bleeding funny mate. Reminds me of a time at Daniel restaurant in NYC sitting next to 2 couples of 20 somethings. They DID not exchange much in the way of talk ALL NIGHT but each were eagerly watching their new IPhones for action.

I was going to check out the city of Kiev on my 4 week Euro jaunt starting this week but may just stick to Germany, Austria and Hungary.

CherchezFemme
07-09-12, 13:43
Need to expand my area of activities but feeling older by the minute. Each trip to Kiev makes me hate life a little more so I am doing it wrong.I know nothing about Ukraine but I had to comment on your last sentence: it's scary to read that it's making you "hate life a little more." Ukraine sounds like a good place to have fun and enjoy the company of beautiful, feminine women.

If it's not working out for you, then I admire you for admitting that. My question to you is : What are you going to do about it? My advice would be to closely examine what you are doing, get feedback and criticism from others who are doing what you want to do, and make adjustments. Do you need to speak the language better? Do you need a better way to introduce yourself? Is it a case of better photos in the personal ads? Are you looking for women in the wrong places?

Don't beat yourself up over it. Make some adjustments and see what happens. It may be the case that it's not YOU, it's the Ukraine or some facet of it, and that the best thing to do is to go to other countries. Not every business succeeds in every country. Don't assume the worst about yourself and get down on yourself.

Climaxnow
07-09-12, 14:35
I know nothing about Ukraine but I had to comment on your last sentence: it's scary to read that it's making you "hate life a little more." Ukraine sounds like a good place to have fun and enjoy the company of beautiful, feminine women.

If it's not working out for you, then I admire you for admitting that. My question to you is : What are you going to do about it? My advice would be to closely examine what you are doing, get feedback and criticism from others who are doing what you want to do, and make adjustments. Do you need to speak the language better? Do you need a better way to introduce yourself? Is it a case of better photos in the personal ads? Are you looking for women in the wrong places?

Don't beat yourself up over it. Make some adjustments and see what happens. It may be the case that it's not YOU, it's the Ukraine or some facet of it, and that the best thing to do is to go to other countries. Not every business succeeds in every country. Don't assume the worst about yourself and get down on yourself.Well spoken dude!

Monsoon64
07-09-12, 15:53
Following requests. The 2 mamba girls who I had nice time with in Kiev were :nice Detka aged 30 and agent pRovocateur aged 32. Both easy to find if you search.

CherchezFemme
07-09-12, 17:20
Can't say I liked Odessa much. Hope your stay is better.Not sure I understood everything you said, I assume English is not your first language but that's OK!

Please clarify:

Were you harassed by the police in France or in Ukraine?

Where did you see the Russian guys wearing flip-flops and jorts and getting into fights: Ibiza or Odessa?

If it was Odessa, thank you for answering my question about the dress code. I'll bring a pair of slacks just in case but I'll wear white summer shoes and leave black dress shoes at home.

And who was rejected on the dance floor? Were the Russian guys rejected by German and Italian girls or was it Germans and Italians rejected by Ukrainian girls?

Last, how did you know the girls you saw were working girls? Did you discuss business with them? Or they just looked like pros?

CherchezFemme
07-09-12, 17:32
Yes walk around like a clueless american, which is what you are, you need advice on here as to what to wear? WTFAny questions I ask is so that I can avoid appearing like a clueless American. That's what we're here for, correct? To educate ourselves. I asked how casual I could dress in a sea-side resort area, especially in the clubs; seems like a relevant question.

Regarding what to wear: in the brief time I've spent on the Ukraine boards, you guys make a lot of catty comments and insults about dressing and appearance.

That is an extremely effeminate and gay thing to do, in American culture. Just thought you might like to know that.

In any case, I will be in Odessa in a couple of weeks and will report back.

PS- Rarrr!

PPS- That is the sound of a cat hissing, which American men make to each other when someone else, usually a gay man or a woman, is making nasty comments about the appearance of others. It signals that there may be a fight between two women coming up, known as a "catfight."

BionicMan
07-09-12, 17:32
Serious question since I'm about to spend 6 days at the beach in Odessa.Need any suggestion on how to wear the condom?

Climaxnow
07-09-12, 18:38
Regarding what to wear: in the brief time I've spent on the Ukraine boards, you guys make a lot of catty comments and insults about dressing and appearance.

That is an extremely effeminate and gay thing to do, in American culture. Just thought you might like to know that.Yeah, but the thread is about Ukraine and not America. You have to do your best to relay the message that you are a man with access to resources and dressing well is a simple tool. Maybe you have the ability to express yourself as a man of strength and direction wearing t shirts and cargo shorts. In that case, pull out your JCrew casuals.

CherchezFemme
07-09-12, 18:59
You have to do your best to relay the message that you are a man with access to resources and dressing well is a simple tool.Message received and acknowledged.

Looking forward to the Ukraine!

Qubei
07-09-12, 20:10
Putting the final touches to my Ukraine trip, but reading Protocol's report makes me slightly worried. How about night clubs were you can meet non working girls? If I go clubbing I want to dance and try my luck. Reading back in the forum makes me uncertain, all clubs discussed seems to mention more or less working girls, where does the 20 to 30 crowd go out to party in Kiev?

Cheers.

Q

Bimbo Boy
07-09-12, 20:38
It's warm in Kiev now, and one of the best places to stay is the Bora Bora beach club on the Dniepr river banks. On the sand beach itself, there are many young women alone or with girlfriends. They are very open to initiating conversation. In the morning, the ratio of women to men ratio is often 4 to 5 times. At around 4pm, Kiev's golden youth come and fill up the rest pads around the swimming pools. Many young hotties. In the evening, it turns into a disco. And at 9am some are still dancing!

Bimbo Boy
07-09-12, 20:46
About 20km south of Kiev is the "Blue Lake". Its waters are very clean, due to water springs at the bottom of the lake. When the weather is hot, it's thousands of people around the lake. There are some private beaches which are very well organized. One of them has small bungalows in the garden right next to the beach. Local businessmen bring their wives, or girlfriends to eat and fuck. And get hopelessly drunk!

Bimbo Boy
07-09-12, 21:03
Picking up great looking women at the Contemporary Art Biennale, in Kiev's old arsenal is like shooting fish in a barrel. Starting conversation with lone girls in front of an exhibit, in the outdoor cafe, with one of the stewardesses. Ratio of women to men is 3 to 4 times. It's open till end of July.
As many commented before : dressing smartly, and having a minimum of intelligent conversation is the recipe for success.
My standard lines for contact are: "you seem to like this installation,why?" or "which is your favourite exhibit"?

Prosal
07-09-12, 21:03
It's warm in Kiev now, and one of the best places to stay is the Bora Bora beach club on the Dniepr river banks. On the sand beach itself, there are many young women alone or with girlfriends. They are very open to initiating conversation. In the morning, the ratio of women to men ratio is often 4 to 5 times. At around 4pm, Kiev's golden youth come and fill up the rest pads around the swimming pools. Many young hotties. In the evening, it turns into a disco. And at 9am some are still dancing!Spot on BB. There is trendy summer swimming pools in each FSU city. Beside being a nice daytime activity on scorching hot days, it offers often prodigious eye-candy and are definitely great hunting grounds for a "skilled" guy. I made recently the same remark about the Bamboo and Diamon pools in Bucarest. As about Anger in Kharkov. As about the Radisson pool in Tashkent. That said, don't know if most of the guys posting here could fit in (I mean just fit in, not even stand out) in this kind of place. (rolleyes)

Climaxnow
07-09-12, 21:09
Putting the final touches to my Ukraine trip, but reading Protocol's report makes me slightly worried. How about night clubs were you can meet non working girls? If I go clubbing I want to dance and try my luck. Reading back in the forum makes me uncertain, all clubs discussed seems to mention more or less working girls, where does the 20 to 30 crowd go out to party in Kiev?

Cheers.

QI liked D'Luxe and Skybar, both have a very small percentage of wg's. I think Protocal refers mostly to straight p4p in Kiev which probably is in decline but still full of opportunity if you look.

Belvaros
07-09-12, 22:23
Picking up great looking women at the Contemporary Art Biennale, in Kiev's old arsenal is like shooting fish in a barrel.The 4th picture looks like something from "Lost in Space"."Warning Will Rogers." It's like they cut off the robot's head and reproduced it and threw 'them on the ground but I lOVE LOVE LOOOOVVVE your imagination in heading to the arts and cultural scene (as it were) to pick up the freebie arty element.

A+ son!

Mr Punter
07-09-12, 23:17
You are certainly not alone here. Nice to see such honest reports. The truth is that the girls in Kiev are getting spoilt by the hour by so many men trying to hunt them from far and wide. Agreed the girls in Ukraine are one amongst the best looking but of late the demand for them is outweighing the supply. Still maybe true that Ukraine is an easier hunting ground than anywhere in europe. I too have started to feel that the rewards one gets in Kiev is certainly not worth the amount of effort required. The girls in mamba and night clubs all have an agenda period.


In Kiev now, brief report. Every time I return to this city it seems to be a bit worse from our perspective but maybe that's just my perspective.

I like Buddha bar for itself so I stop there from time to time. First time the male to female ratio was about 5:1. Small group of 3 working girls sitting on the sofas near the end of the bar. Same group that is there every day, one mildly attractive blonde who likes to dance and asks $500, and her less attractive friends.

Many men sitting at the bar staring at their iPhones waiting for something to happen.

Went to Millenium. First time I ever visited that place, every girl had a smoking fit "Ukranian perfect" body, and I was blown away. This time, they have a couple of girls dancing, one with a good sized spare tire around her gut and another who has that all over soft baby fat thing. A couple of the svelte beautiful girls still. One quoted me $400 to go, which is less than the $500 asked last time, but more than the $300 the first time.

We know this is not the best place or anything, I am just supplying data.

Got a drink for a girl I wanted to check out from last time a bit closer than under the flattering lights. Immediately she went to the champagne (at 900 UAH, declined). Got her a glass of wine she didn't touch, she went to the upsell to take her out, declined, then to the private dance, I said after you finish your wine, then yes. She wouldn't touch the wine though and kept hammering on the upsells so in the end I just told her to go.

Waitresses tending to carry a chip on their shoulder here too for some reason. They seem fine after they know you will tip but before that makes you want to turn around and leave.

There are a couple of nice girls in here though still and a couple of stunners.

Returned to Buddha Bar, male:female ratio had improved by most of the men not coming and the place being empty. Didn't hit it on Friday, Saturday though. Same hard core of 3-4 WGs in the same spot sitting near the end of the bar. Smiled at them but was not interested in girls who are 7s asking $500 for what is sure to be a poor evening and clock watching.

Enjoyed the music, left later.

Made arrangements with several Mamba girls. All of them on the day of don't answer phones, SMS or messages on the site. Contact me three days later,"Sorry, [insert dumbass girl excuse here, like lost my phone, battery out of power, didn't see your message]". Ask to reschedule. Trying to filter out the fakes, the agencies and get down to the girls who are normal and will show up, while still being attractive, is a lot of work, confirmed.

Need to expand my area of activities but feeling older by the minute. Each trip to Kiev makes me hate life a little more so I am doing it wrong.

Bimbo Boy
07-10-12, 00:09
The 4th picture looks like something from "Lost in Space"."Warning Will Rogers." It's like they cut off the robot's head and reproduced it and threw 'them on the ground but I lOVE LOVE LOOOOVVVE your imagination in heading to the arts and cultural scene (as it were) to pick up the freebie arty element.

A+ son!A killer statement is "I came to Kiev just to see this exceptional Art biennale!".

The girl would NEVER think about sex tourism!

And then do like Prosal : live in Paris and invite her to come and visit you.

I am sure that Prosal has a problem in fitting all the girls into his agenda!

Member #4491
07-10-12, 01:42
Hats off for Bimbo Boy. Thank's! I think there are also less upscale beaches for the one that do not have 4000 € fur coats. Even nude beaches. Use Google. In Kharkov I took a day at a lake and the place was packed with drunk girls.

Barba almost had one of Protocol's described days yesterday, but it turned 180 degrees with the help of a friend, Mamba and taking a chance with an unseen girl. Blond, young and slim. With a tight pussy and tighter ass.

Averaged less than 50 USD per hour for the girls I paid in Kharkov and Kiev. Three of them accepted anal but I did not ask before. Just poked when we where well into the act and met little resistance. Going bareback was stupid in at least one of the occasions but always so nice to fill a tight ass and a pussy with cum. Will be a long wait for the test (yes you do need to wait weeks and not days). The girls I met that had pictures in the profile, was looking exactly as promised so no bait and switch this time either.

In my limited experience of Ukraine, this is not as easy as for example Thailand or the Philippines. Not if you want someone around 20 years old that fucks you within minutes of walking in the door of your sex dungeon. You need to qualify more as a man to have pretty and young girls. Requires more hunting time per pussy so to speak. Or a network of friends that can share the sacrifice in hours, so you get verified contacts and numbers to pass around in your circle. Some people here make it sound very easy to get young pretty girls in Ukraine, and maybe it can be at times, an other days it is absolutely not, especially if you just fly in for a few days and want real sex (a hand job is not real sex for me). Guys that spends weeks or months chasing girls in any city with poor girls will of course have lots of contacts, but I am sure some guys here make it sound simpler than it actually is for them, just to come across as winners in the ego enslaved primitive male fantasy world we all visit at times. IMHO it is much easier to go from "hello" to orgasm in Asia, but to just make contact with young girls is very simple in Ukraine. Even extremely simple, as long as you look respectable dare to open your moth.

As for looks I think Ukraine is not so extremely good as some claim. Yes there are MANY pretty girls and they do dress sexy, but visit Caracas, Paris, Milano, Oslo or Stockholm and it is just the same. Sex might be harder to find in these cities for the average sex tourist, but just the visual impression in Kiev or Kharkov is not that extremely good. A big portion of the girls have an ordinary or even crude EE look if you look above the tits. A pig in make-up is still a pig.

Many of the hottest girls in Kiev walk around looking like they have dog shit under their nose, and this got to me at first, until I realized it is often an act. In reality they are quite sweet and smiles easily. The uncontent dog shit entitlement face can be seen on TV and in advertisements also so maybe it is some cultural thing. Like the Egyptian poses. Luckily females are always lazy and pragmatical, and wipe of the face if you give them a reason to like and trust you.

Taxi is quite cheap in Kiev but it is interesting and entertaining to use public transportation. The metro in Kiev is very easy to use. Going to the airport you take the metro to Kharkivska station for 2 UAH. Leave the metro-wagon going left, and then to the right through the doors and right again. Just up the the stairs you see Sky buses waiting on the big street. I left the Independence square at around 09:00 AM and arrived at around 10:15 AM at Borispil. The cost for the bus is 20 UAH. You can naturally do the opposite if you just arrived in Kiev. Exit terminal B and walk to your left. I waited 5-10 minutes for departure the two times I used the bus.

B.

Member #4491
07-10-12, 01:51
I have a soon to come dilemma.Buy some rapid test kits. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/testing/rapid/

You can Google it and find low quantity vendors all over the world or wholesale brokers in for example Asia.

There is one kit for every major STD.

I always carry these tests (unless I am out of them like now). Sticking needles in your fingers is not so great foreplay but with a girl like the one you describe, I think you can easily tell her that you want both of you to feel 100% safe and relaxed, and test yourself together.

B.

DoctorOral
07-10-12, 11:32
Only in Ukraine. Go to love it. You got to love it.

Foxwilly
07-10-12, 12:58
I am considering a 2 day trip to Kiev this weekend. One of my fantasies is to have the choice from working girls hangin out in hotel lobbys and bars. Is the Dnipiro a good spot for this? And do many of them speak any english or french? Or is it a "smile and nod operation"?

I am a bit hesitant to bother adding 2 days of my journey through europe to go there if it is going to be more frustrating than its worth.

Not sure what to do?

Climaxnow
07-10-12, 13:37
As for looks I think Ukraine is not so extremely good as some claim. Yes there are MANY pretty girls and they do dress sexy, but visit Caracas, Paris, Milano, Oslo or Stockholm and it is just the same. Sex might be harder to find in these cities for the average sex tourist, but just the visual impression in Kiev or Kharkov is not that extremely good. A big portion of the girls have an ordinary or even crude EE look if you look above the tits. A pig in make-up is still a pig.Not really fair to compare the streets of a poor city against major cultural business centers B. Most of the beautiful girls strolling the streets of your above mentioned Western cities are connected to the city center by work or family. A lot of the beauty found in Kiev has no reason to stroll the streets of K street or be around city center. You have to look at places where single women concentrate such as nightclubs. I personally have never seen so many beautiful single women as I did in D'Luxe and Skybar. I doubt places like Paris have nightclubs filled with such beautiful single women as in Kiev and if they did, they would never lay eyes on me.

Prosal
07-10-12, 14:12
I doubt places like Paris have nightclubs filled with such beautiful single women as in Kiev .+1. Barba must be joking with that comment. In Paris, even in the cosmopolitan bowels, the ratio of hot women is pretty low. Much lower than in FSU or even EE. If you compare Russia, Ukraine or Belarus to any western country, the number of truly hot girls is probably 10 to 1. Women are simply more beautiful and slender in this part of the world, there is no way to deny it. Not even talking about dressing style, on that matter western girls can't compete.

Protocol
07-10-12, 14:22
Not sure I understood everything you said, I assume English is not your first language but that's OK!

Please clarify:

Were you harassed by the police in France or in Ukraine?

Where did you see the Russian guys wearing flip-flops and jorts and getting into fights: Ibiza or Odessa?

If it was Odessa, thank you for answering my question about the dress code. I'll bring a pair of slacks just in case but I'll wear white summer shoes and leave black dress shoes at home.

And who was rejected on the dance floor? Were the Russian guys rejected by German and Italian girls or was it Germans and Italians rejected by Ukrainian girls?

Last, how did you know the girls you saw were working girls? Did you discuss business with them? Or they just looked like pros?I was harassed by the police in Odessa. The "militia" are going up and down the strip where the clubs are. Not so much to keep the peace but to find foreigners who may have forgotten their passport and who can then be intimidated into coughing up a "fine".

All the more so if they find you in the company of a nice young Ukranian girl with limited English skills, I would suppose.

The drunken Russian guys fighting were in Odessa. Also a drunken Russian couple, man and woman, screaming at each other and the guy close to hitting the girl. All of that just passes by fine.

All if it was right near the entrance to Ibiza.

You will have no problems in the clubs themselves they are fine. All I'm saying from the above is that the men visiting around here are certainly not stylish or worried too much about appearance. You can be casual and fit in. All of the warnings online about "face control" applying to these clubs I think doesn't apply. There were big lines and everyone was let in, all the way to fat 40-50 year old women dressed poorly. That kind of democratic behavior is something I like, if someone wants to pay, let them in I think.

Germans and Italians were rejected by the Ukrainian girls. Some of the girls just want to go out and dance. To me I didn't see very much in the way of "action" in terms of what you would see in some bars in Dubai or even Buddha Bar on a weekend where it can be (was?) normal if you sit at the bar to overhear negotiations in both ears while ordering your drink.

DoctorOral
07-10-12, 17:32
Yes, the Dnipro is the perfect place for people like you. Grab a couple of beers and then jump from the bridge right into it.

YOU UNDERSTAND NOTHING! Stay where you are. And leave the fun and sex and beauty to the rest of us! Thank you!


I am considering a 2 day trip to Kiev this weekend. One of my fantasies is to have the choice from working girls hangin out in hotel lobbys and bars. Is the Dnipiro a good spot for this? And do many of them speak any english or french? Or is it a "smile and nod operation"?

I am a bit hesitant to bother adding 2 days of my journey through europe to go there if it is going to be more frustrating than its worth.

Not sure what to do?

Bimbo Boy
07-10-12, 19:48
Buy some rapid test kits.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/testing/rapid/

B.My Kievan girlfriend asked me for a test in order to continue doing her bareback. She is suspecting that I am doing other girls bareback too.

I readily accepted, and she took me to a medical center. Quite modern. I signed a form and paid 350 hrivna for multi STD testing. After a short wait I entered the test room and was welcomed by a cute 20yo nurse. I was expecting my blood to be sampled, but instead she asked me to show my penis. OK, so I did, expecting some kind of superficial skin sample to be taken.

Instead, she expertly and quickly inserted some cotton Qtip inside my penis's seminal tube, and rotated it swiftly for a few seconds.

OOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUCH! That hurt! Thank god, it was quickly over.

I had these STD-HIV tests taken many times before, and they were always done through blood samples.

FSU is quite an experience! Do not expect things to be the same as in the West!

Regards.

Bimbo Boy
07-10-12, 19:54
Only in Ukraine. Go to love it. You got to love it.The beach on the opposite river bank of the Bora Bora club is a nude beach. You can admire kievan beauties in all their splendor!

But they don't like it if you watch them with your bathing suit on. You must be nude like everyone else.

It's only a 150m swim from the Bora Bora club to the other bank.

Next time, I'm at the Bora Bora club, I will bring a powerful zoom camera with me!

Regards.

Angus Magee
07-10-12, 19:56
My Kievan girlfriend asked me for a test in order to continue doing her bareback. She is suspecting that I am doing other girls bareback too.

I readily accepted, and she took me to a medical center. Quite modern. I signed a form and paid 350 hrivna for multi STD testing. After a short wait I entered the test room and was welcomed by a cute 20yo nurse. I was expecting my blood to be sampled, but instead she asked me to show my penis. OK, so I did, expecting some kind of superficial skin sample to be taken.

Instead, she expertly and quickly inserted some cotton Qtip inside my penis's seminal tube, and rotated it swiftly for a few seconds.

OOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUCH! That hurt! Thank god, it was quickly over.

I had these STD-HIV tests taken many times before, and they were always done through blood samples.

FSU is quite an experience! Do not expect things to be the same as in the West!

Regards.That sounds like an old style test for gonorrhea. I am no doctor but I am pretty sure that as HIV is viral blood has to be taken. You might want to have a do over. Or not, if your girl is satisfied.

AM

Belvaros
07-10-12, 21:16
My Kievan girlfriend asked me for a test in order to continue doing her bareback. She is suspecting that I am doing other girls bareback too.

I readily accepted, and she took me to a medical center. Quite modern. I signed a form and paid 350 hrivna for multi STD testing. After a short wait I entered the test room and was welcomed by a cute 20yo nurse. I was expecting my blood to be sampled, but instead she asked me to show my penis. OK, so I did, expecting some kind of superficial skin sample to be taken.

Instead, she expertly and quickly inserted some cotton Qtip inside my penis's seminal tube, and rotated it swiftly for a few seconds.

Ouch! That hurt! Thank god, it was quickly over.

I had these STD-HIV tests taken many times before, and they were always done through blood samples.

FSU is quite an experience! Do not expect things to be the same as in the West!

Regards.The only way to do a male HPV test is by taking a sample from your inner eye (as it were) and as Angus says for accurate Gonorrhea. Also don't panic if you have HPV. They say 80% of Americans over 35 have it.

Bimbo Boy
07-10-12, 23:39
That sounds like an old style test for gonorrhea. I am no doctor but I am pretty sure that as HIV is viral blood has to be taken. You might want to have a do over. Or not, if your girl is satisfied.

AMYes, from the WebMD website : "The doctor may put a thin swab into the urethra and take a sample of fluid and cells to test for infections such as chlamydia or gonorrhea."

Member #4491
07-11-12, 01:03
That sounds like an old style test for gonorrhea. I am no doctor but I am pretty sure that as HIV is viral blood has to be taken. You might want to have a do over. Or not, if your girl is satisfied.

AMOne can also collect samples for HIV I and II from the inside of the mouth. Never heard about HIV test samples collected with the swab thought. This is normally G and C and these are fairly easily cured. Some Asian strains of G are nasty but not incurable. I suggest any monger to save this table and then stock up when in countries that allows it. I always carry a smaller pharmacy. I never advice people on how to dress up during sex but if you do not like condoms, I think it is wise to at least carry a HIV test together with some Doxycycline, Ciprofloxacin and Azithromycin.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/1999/1001/p1387.html

I am no doctor so maybe someone else has more initiated advice.

B.

Member #4491
07-11-12, 01:18
Not really fair to compare the streets of a poor city against major cultural business centers B. Most of the beautiful girls strolling the streets of your above mentioned Western cities are connected to the city center by work or family. A lot of the beauty found in Kiev has no reason to stroll the streets of K street or be around city center. You have to look at places where single women concentrate such as nightclubs. I personally have never seen so many beautiful single women as I did in D'Luxe and Skybar. I doubt places like Paris have nightclubs filled with such beautiful single women as in Kiev and if they did, they would never lay eyes on me.You are right. I did not think about this. There is a reason why Milano is filled with models. And I need to take back my comment about Paris since I never visited. Maybe all these pictures of models in front of the big tower where rigged to attract suckers like me.

When I was at that Dante Club I admittedly did see an incredible amount of hot girls. They where everywhere, all the time. The models that did some show looked like pale tooth picks, but still pretty. And they all likes me to buy them 120 UAH drinks.

In the subway these stunners are more scarce IMHO. And when roaming around independence square this weekend I did not see that many hot girls either to be honest. They where maybe on the beach. If the ratio is 10 times more hot girls than Oslo or just the same does not matter at the end of the day, because at least it is possible to score in Kiev also when you are beyond 25 and an abdominal wash board. And while on the topic of quantification; it has been such a pleasant surprise to really get to know some females in Ukraine. Fantastic women. If I was not married, I would marry one (when I get 65).

B.

Sossi
07-11-12, 09:18
Yes, from the WebMD website : "The doctor may put a thin swab into the urethra and take a sample of fluid and cells to test for infections such as chlamydia or gonorrhea."This test is not for HIV but for other STDs.

Totally normal! Also not out of date. As some infections are located in the URETHRA and can be detected only like this.

- However, it is not the nicest exam (

Prosal
07-11-12, 15:59
The beach on the opposite river bank of the Bora Bora club is a nude beach. You can admire kievan beauties in all their splendor!

But they don't like it if you watch them with your bathing suit on. You must be nude like everyone else.

It's only a 150m swim from the Bora Bora club to the other bank.

Next time, I'm at the Bora Bora club, I will bring a powerful zoom camera with me!

Regards.BB, is the nude beach allowed to single men, or is it like many nude beaches in Brasil that are only allowed to couples or women? If it's the case (allowed to single men) , isn't it crowded with maniaks? And could you locate it on a google map?

Gentleman Travel
07-11-12, 16:06
As for looks I think Ukraine is not so extremely good as some claim. Yes there are MANY pretty girls and they do dress sexy, but visit Caracas, Paris, Milano, Oslo or Stockholm and it is just the same. Sex might be harder to find in these cities for the average sex tourist, but just the visual impression in Kiev or Kharkov is not that extremely good. A big portion of the girls have an ordinary or even crude EE look if you look above the tits. A pig in make-up is still a pig.I never noticed. My eyes rarely stray above their cleavage!

Seriously though, while there can be concentrations of stunning beauties in other cities, including the US (despite what all the guys on the "American Women" forum say) generally speaking these women are completely inaccessible to guys like us. A middle-aged monger trying to hit up (or even chat with) a 20-something stunner in Monaco or LA is not only going to get rejected with disdain, but will be treated (and made to feel like) a pervert or criminal.

As for the general beauty level of EE women, I remember going through the Frankfurt airport on my way to Kiev, and knowing I was near the right gate because I started to see more and more beautiful and well-dressed women, who I guess were heading home after shopping trips to Europe.

Gentleman Travel
07-11-12, 16:58
Hey,

Do you know the name of the working girls at Rio?Olga, the blonde in the tight dress, third bar stool from the right. Can't miss her.

Seriously guy, the pro scene in Kiev, in any bar, is a constantly changing kaleidoscope.

Wannabe mongers going there, trying to connect with a particular WG are making things a lot harder than they need to be.

Walk in the bar, there will be numerous obvious pros and maybe some not so obvious ones.

Look them over, chat a few up, and make your choice. It is not that complicated.

Sure some bars or clubs will be better than others for WG or for regular girls, but within that room it is a busy market place. Deal with what is available there and then, not some preconceived notion of who you are going to hook up with!

Sponsor74
07-11-12, 18:56
Not really fair to compare the streets of a poor city against major cultural business centers B. Most of the beautiful girls strolling the streets of your above mentioned Western cities are connected to the city center by work or family. A lot of the beauty found in Kiev has no reason to stroll the streets of K street or be around city center. You have to look at places where single women concentrate such as nightclubs. I personally have never seen so many beautiful single women as I did in D'Luxe and Skybar. I doubt places like Paris have nightclubs filled with such beautiful single women as in Kiev and if they did, they would never lay eyes on me.Hello agree with you. Howver, I wonder why prices in Ukraine in my opinion to high for the salary & prices level there? Who is making the business? I am quite sure not the WG. Therefore I do my best to pay the best value for my money and USD 100 for 3 hours is my proposal most of the times

Climaxnow
07-11-12, 19:57
howver, i wonder why prices in ukraine in my opinion to high for the salary & prices level there?pussy is dirt cheap in kiev! however, you as a tourist with no language skills and grapevine can expect to pay western prices. i made one trip to kiev back in march and i met a 19 year old that agreed to come back to my place for $150 and perform fs and owo. the girl ended up being a porn star performer and stayed for hours at my place. i only fucked her once but with her basic english and my basic russian, we hit it off and she was sure that i was going to call her back. two days later, i called her and she comes over and later invites two of her friends to my apartment. she offers me a threesome between her and one of the other girls for $100 each. what happened next was actually quite a surprise. i like porn star experience but these girls basically proceeded to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me. they were actually shoving my head between there legs forcing daty upon me. i always thought prostitutes could not create pussy juice until my face got covered in a layer of slime. both girls never paused during the session and every action performed was almost violent. i don't know how to describe it, but for the first time in my life i was actually sexed out. if somebody would have offered me free pussy the next day, i would have refused. the third girl that did not perform offered to come over in a couple of days for $100.

the point is that any of these girls would probably come over to my place at any time for even less than $100. you simply have to make some friends and do a little bit of work. unfortuneatly, many five day tourists never do the work and get ripped off at the obvious venues.

Member #4491
07-11-12, 23:27
.i like porn star experience but these girls basically proceeded to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me. they were actually shoving my head between there legs forcing daty upon me. i always thought prostitutes could not create pussy juice until my face got covered in a layer of slime. both girls never paused during the session and every action performed was almost violent.god, this sounds good. one of the more memorable moments in monger history. i love to dive in and slurp around. to have two teenage female [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127) sitting on the face rubbing their juices until you are covered in slime got to be one of the ten best ways to spend an evening in kiev.

i think it can safely be established that:

- the best way to find good sex in ukraine is to have circle of friends that refer other friends to you. one way of opening such a circle is to spend some hours on mamba or some other social site. another way is to talk to females in normal situations such as restaurants, clubs or malls. a third way is to trust people and share contacts here with the ones that seem reasonably similar to yourself.

- a long term stay should never cost more than 100 usd, even if it lasts several hours and more than one pop. the first visit sometimes cost a little bit more, but once the trust is there, price slowly moves towards zero (but never reaches zero, even if you marry the girl). if a targets needs to be discussed, i would say it is maximum 50 usd / h also for the first encounter, but at the end of the day it is not the minutes but the experience that counts.

- the constant flow of questions and comments about rio is part of an elaborate scheme to maintain the weekly visual dosage of those three letters, and that take outs from such an over priced strip bar is not to be confused with wandering the exciting borderland between "semi-pros" and true magnificent girlfriend experiences (with a little help "for the taxi" when you kiss her goodbye). each man to his own, but it seems like for example germany is much better for a man that is just going for professional p4p services, and not for the girlfriend game.

last trip i learned that some girls will actually just go out anywhere to waste your money. for me it would be totally pointless, but for these greedy ego bitches it seems to be some sort of sport to make a man spend money on them. the ones who warned me about the travel girl with fancy pictures where naturally totally correct. she was a waste of time and money. it must have been the most expensive kisses and tits squeeze i had in years. in addition she was total boredom to talk to. and yes, she was of course the one that "invited" me to dante. lesson learned.

b.

Uke Boy
07-13-12, 12:46
You got to love the folks at the Kyiv Post. This link to an article in today's paper is one of the funniest I have read.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/lifestyle/couples-find-joys-of-erotic-massage.html

So now remember and show all you near and dear ones this article next time you head for a massage parlor. A happy ending at the hands of a good looking young thing after her breasts and most other body parts have been over most of your body and after you have caressed and groped her is still being faithful!

I hope the reporter posts his massage parlor experiences in this forum. Come on Denis, tell us all.

Irish Lad
07-14-12, 02:35
Hey,

Do you know the name of the working girls at Rio?

DellamWhat? All of them or the 3 I know?

Protocol
07-14-12, 03:09
met up with a girl i met on mamba before and traveled with. good nice girl, wants nothing from me but i help her out a bit. at the point of just doing it out of caring and not asking anything back but we will travel again.

buddha bar on friday, my favorite bar has become a sausage fest of old dudes. guys, i know you are looking for young ukranian pussy but your presence in your bald heads and white hair, bad clothes and running shoes, and plaid shirts over t-shirts. this is not helping the reputation of the bar and it's not bringing in the girls.

i counted 18 men at the bar and 0 girls on a friday night. rep001tered girls throughout the club in a 1 to 3 ratio with one guy in the seating areas. the one guy makes it impossible to enter in. not a single girl at the bar which is where they'd come "if available".

so honestly, this is the end for buddha bar. the internet killed it by attracting mongers who are just too old, too uninterested in putting in a minor amount of effort into their appearance. i mean hell, i feel bad going in there being associated with that, i can't imagine what the girls may feel.

this bar is certainly not what it used to be, and now, is no longer favorite bar.

went to dlux. lounge again had a 5 men to 1 ratio. a bourbon costs 220 grivna plus tip. don't know how long you want to hang out at that rate. a few girls straggled in but nobody that you wouldn't see anywhere else so no interest. fashion show thing upstairs, don't know what that was about or how it changed the dynamic. didn't try the dance floor, as i dance like a moron and that's not going to help me or the people watching me.

on other days, visited solid gold which was actually a really nice club. mostly empty, a few very beautiful girls, everyone can dance there and it's not crapped into a corner like millenium so you could come with friends and have a good time in a good atmosphere. two girls were 10s. everyone could dance, spoke english, and was friendly. a+.

went to rhino star in podol after the sausage fest fiasco in buddha bar, i think they should just convert over to a gay bar and say the hell with it, the internet has broken it for good. people reading this board and going there thinking they will get a 10/10 supermodel to come home with their 60 year old butt. no offense guys, i mean it out of love, but it is not happening and you are just bringing down the situation for everyone. not here. it's like going into the best places in thailand and the worst places in thailand. if you dress with a plaid shirt and t-shirt underneath and are completely bald with hiking shoes on, then you are bringing down the scene and the girls will go elsewhere. which they seem to have done.

ok i got ranting again. anyway rhino star is actually a super cool club, probably the nicest i've been to in the world.

girls are friendly, they are agressive on cue (during the dance special) otherwise will just come and ask you for a dance and honestly you should just go. sometimes it's 100 per song or 100 for two songs depending on the special.

the vast majority of the girls are 8 and over. bunch of 8s and 9s. happy, friendly, because probably they don't have to go home with old bald mongers (again, no offense, but reality is reality). buying them a drink is just the normal price for the drink, and they may sit happily with you for a drink, but if they get up for the washroom you will be set apon by some other dream girl and be tempted away. when you return your drinks will be there and then eventually the girl you bought the drink for returns.

unlike other crap places in this city where it's just about getting the money out of your wallet.

it's basically a great strip club. not a take home thing, so maybe not your thing, but you can go out, get loaded, get some really good dances from some very hot girls who are actually also nice people and will be nice to you with out any fakery. keep in mind it's still a job and once you're broke you should expect them to move on, same as you would move on from a broke client. but until then there's very little fake and you'll enjoy it.

so, in summary,

this website broke buddha bar, it's useless unless you want to hang around with groups of high 20s men "who read on the internet hot girls are here" or you want to sit at the bar with a bunch of guys with no hair or white hair with rotating heads.

there still are a handful of beautiful girls, two walked by that the entire bar tracked with their eyes, tall and beautiful, but it is not the same bar as it was one year ago.

solid gold was good, millenium is a super inflated clip joint with a few nice girls, dlux has some eye candy but unsure how to access it, star rhino is a great club if you just want a great strip club experience (even got me a cab and i paid local rates to get home).

buddha bar is over.

the girls are gone unless you bring them yourself.

male to female ratio is blown out of the water. a bar filled with bald, bad dressed men, ages 50-70, kills everything.

after that happens its all over.

seriously guys, if you hit that point, you have to accept a little bit of reality about what you are going to access and your methods for doing it. you will not be pulling them down at the hot club. in my opinion. not here, not with these girls, and not in this city. there is some leeway in age. 24 to 42 is going to work. but you better wear good clothes, stay in shape, and be a reasonable beacon of success. looking like you're going to go cut the grass in the back yard, being 55+, that kills it. i am repeating myself. i am sad to see a good thing die.

it was so in walking distance from where i wanted to be and now everything is changed for me because of this sausage fest from hell.

Member #4491
07-14-12, 09:32
You got to love the folks at the Kyiv Post. This link to an article in today's paper is one of the funniest I have read.'A married man wants diverse sex but he doesn't want to betray his wife. So she comes with him and participates in an erotic session. Thus it is not unfaithfulness. ' LOL. Irrational and perfect. A respected institution is working towards legalization. A few business partners I talked to thought that a legalization of prostitution and marijuana was not very distant in Ukraine. It is still considered immoral by parts of society, and many business minded policemen have a lot to loose on a legalization, but most people I talked to seemed surprisingly pragmatic about it all. And one girl told me that the Dutch where allowed to bring in weed to Kharkiv for EURO2012. Sounds strange but she was dead certain and still baked from all the puffing she participated in.

B.