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met up with a girl i met on mamba before and traveled with. good nice girl, wants nothing from me but i help her out a bit. at the point of just doing it out of caring and not asking anything back but we will travel again.
buddha bar on friday, my favorite bar has become a sausage fest of old dudes. guys, i know you are looking for young ukranian pussy but your presence in your bald heads and white hair, bad clothes and running shoes, and plaid shirts over t-shirts. this is not helping the reputation of the bar and it's not bringing in the girls.
i counted 18 men at the bar and 0 girls on a friday night. rep001tered girls throughout the club in a 1 to 3 ratio with one guy in the seating areas. the one guy makes it impossible to enter in. not a single girl at the bar which is where they'd come "if available".
so honestly, this is the end for buddha bar. the internet killed it by attracting mongers who are just too old, too uninterested in putting in a minor amount of effort into their appearance. i mean hell, i feel bad going in there being associated with that, i can't imagine what the girls may feel.
this bar is certainly not what it used to be, and now, is no longer favorite bar.
went to dlux. lounge again had a 5 men to 1 ratio. a bourbon costs 220 grivna plus tip. don't know how long you want to hang out at that rate. a few girls straggled in but nobody that you wouldn't see anywhere else so no interest. fashion show thing upstairs, don't know what that was about or how it changed the dynamic. didn't try the dance floor, as i dance like a moron and that's not going to help me or the people watching me.
on other days, visited solid gold which was actually a really nice club. mostly empty, a few very beautiful girls, everyone can dance there and it's not crapped into a corner like millenium so you could come with friends and have a good time in a good atmosphere. two girls were 10s. everyone could dance, spoke english, and was friendly. a+.
went to rhino star in podol after the sausage fest fiasco in buddha bar, i think they should just convert over to a gay bar and say the hell with it, the internet has broken it for good. people reading this board and going there thinking they will get a 10/10 supermodel to come home with their 60 year old butt. no offense guys, i mean it out of love, but it is not happening and you are just bringing down the situation for everyone. not here. it's like going into the best places in thailand and the worst places in thailand. if you dress with a plaid shirt and t-shirt underneath and are completely bald with hiking shoes on, then you are bringing down the scene and the girls will go elsewhere. which they seem to have done.
ok i got ranting again. anyway rhino star is actually a super cool club, probably the nicest i've been to in the world.
girls are friendly, they are agressive on cue (during the dance special) otherwise will just come and ask you for a dance and honestly you should just go. sometimes it's 100 per song or 100 for two songs depending on the special.
the vast majority of the girls are 8 and over. bunch of 8s and 9s. happy, friendly, because probably they don't have to go home with old bald mongers (again, no offense, but reality is reality). buying them a drink is just the normal price for the drink, and they may sit happily with you for a drink, but if they get up for the washroom you will be set apon by some other dream girl and be tempted away. when you return your drinks will be there and then eventually the girl you bought the drink for returns.
unlike other crap places in this city where it's just about getting the money out of your wallet.
it's basically a great strip club. not a take home thing, so maybe not your thing, but you can go out, get loaded, get some really good dances from some very hot girls who are actually also nice people and will be nice to you with out any fakery. keep in mind it's still a job and once you're broke you should expect them to move on, same as you would move on from a broke client. but until then there's very little fake and you'll enjoy it.
so, in summary,
this website broke buddha bar, it's useless unless you want to hang around with groups of high 20s men "who read on the internet hot girls are here" or you want to sit at the bar with a bunch of guys with no hair or white hair with rotating heads.
there still are a handful of beautiful girls, two walked by that the entire bar tracked with their eyes, tall and beautiful, but it is not the same bar as it was one year ago.
solid gold was good, millenium is a super inflated clip joint with a few nice girls, dlux has some eye candy but unsure how to access it, star rhino is a great club if you just want a great strip club experience (even got me a cab and i paid local rates to get home).
buddha bar is over.
the girls are gone unless you bring them yourself.
male to female ratio is blown out of the water. a bar filled with bald, bad dressed men, ages 50-70, kills everything.
after that happens its all over.
seriously guys, if you hit that point, you have to accept a little bit of reality about what you are going to access and your methods for doing it. you will not be pulling them down at the hot club. in my opinion. not here, not with these girls, and not in this city. there is some leeway in age. 24 to 42 is going to work. but you better wear good clothes, stay in shape, and be a reasonable beacon of success. looking like you're going to go cut the grass in the back yard, being 55+, that kills it. i am repeating myself. i am sad to see a good thing die.
it was so in walking distance from where i wanted to be and now everything is changed for me because of this sausage fest from hell.hi protocol,
thank you very much for your useful information.
but, why didn't you visit rio strip club (the most popular strip club in this thread)?
have you ever visited there?
how do you think about rio?
thanks in advance.
I was contacted by a girls from outside Kiev and asked if I wanted her to come to meet me at my upcoming trip to Kiev. I was mostly interested in some company during my staying there and offered USD500, beside expenses, for 2 whole days.
Was I totaly out of the line cheap?
As I see it I have no problem to find just no-sex company for 2 days in Kiev for free, besides dinner, cost for activities and so on. If I want sex I have no problem to find this for maximun USD100 / hour and I will for sure not have sex for more than 5 hours during 2 days. Most of my visits in Kiev I don't search for sex at all but just some nice company.
USD500 is probably also half a months salary there. Good for 2 days in my eyes for just spending time with a nice company.
I was contacted by a girl from outside Kiev and asked if I wanted her to come and meet me at my upcoming trip to Kiev. I was mostly interested in some company during my staying there and offered USD500, beside expenses, for 2 whole days.
Was I totaly out of the line cheap?
As I see it I have no problem to find just no-sex company for 2 days in Kiev for free, besides dinner, cost for activities and so on. If I want sex I have no problem to find this for maximun USD100 / hour and I will for sure not have sex for more than 5 hours during 2 days. Most of my visits in Kiev I don't search for sex at all but just some nice company.
USD500 is probably also half a months salary there. Good for 2 days in my eyes for just spending time with a nice company.
I was contacted by a girl from outside Kiev and asked if I wanted her to come and meet me at my upcoming trip to Kiev. I was mostly interested in some company during my staying there and offered USD500, beside expenses, for 2 whole days.
Was I totaly out of the line cheap?
As I see it I have no problem to find just no-sex company for 2 days in Kiev for free, besides dinner, cost for activities and so on. If I want sex I have no problem to find this for maximun USD100 / hour and I will for sure not have sex for more than 5 hours during 2 days. Most of my visits in Kiev I don't search for sex at all but just some nice company.
USD500 is probably also half a months salary there. Good for 2 days in my eyes for just spending time with a nice company.So what you are basically offering this girl is about ten dollars an hour and all the risks involved with strangers as travel companions. Your not cheap, just naive.
Has anybody noticed a spike in email contact with girls you may know out East? Girls that stopped replying to me have suddenly resurrected themselves from the grave with enthusiasm. Maybe just a fluke, but maybe a sign of things to come.
Who says the collapse of the European economy would be a bad thing? (Smiley)
I was contacted by a girl from outside Kiev and asked if I wanted her to come and meet me at my upcoming trip to Kiev. I was mostly interested in some company during my staying there and offered USD500, beside expenses, for 2 whole days.
Was I totaly out of the line cheap?
As I see it I have no problem to find just no-sex company for 2 days in Kiev for free, besides dinner, cost for activities and so on. If I want sex I have no problem to find this for maximun USD100 / hour and I will for sure not have sex for more than 5 hours during 2 days. Most of my visits in Kiev I don't search for sex at all but just some nice company.
USD500 is probably also half a months salary there. Good for 2 days in my eyes for just spending time with a nice company.Very few pro cent of people in Ukraine and Kiev make so much as 500USD per moth salary. Few dievs that are friends of my, tell me a lot about situation and how real life in Kiev is. 500 USD for province girl is huge!
Very few pro cent of people in Ukraine and Kiev make so much as 500USD per moth salary. Few dievs that are friends of my, tell me a lot about situation and how real life in Kiev is. 500 USD for province girl is huge!This is not an easy topic. But I agree with you egarding USD 500. Moreover, some people with a job and work hard for this money and at the end of the month the company can not / don't want to ay the salaries
Delta Indigo
07-15-12, 23:14
I was contacted by a girl from outside Kiev and asked if I wanted her to come and meet me at my upcoming trip to Kiev. I was mostly interested in some company during my staying there and offered USD500, beside expenses, for 2 whole days.
Was I totaly out of the line cheap?
As I see it I have no problem to find just no-sex company for 2 days in Kiev for free, besides dinner, cost for activities and so on. If I want sex I have no problem to find this for maximun USD100 / hour and I will for sure not have sex for more than 5 hours during 2 days. Most of my visits in Kiev I don't search for sex at all but just some nice company.
USD500 is probably also half a months salary there. Good for 2 days in my eyes for just spending time with a nice company.This really is probably a months salary in a normal job, so for two days work she makes a months income. I really think that is enough. For you that is not much, but for her that is quite a lot.
It really is silly to pay too much or to think that girls deserve loads of money for two days of sex and companionship. I disagree with people who said this was cheap, $10 an hour would be a royal salary in the Ukraine and she gets paid for sleeping and being wined and dined.
Very few pro cent of people in Ukraine and Kiev make so much as 500USD per moth salary. Few dievs that are friends of my, tell me a lot about situation and how real life in Kiev is. 500 USD for province girl is huge!I understand the concept of a monger traveling to a town and negotiating p4p. Girl meets a guy on the street, feels him out, they negotiate to have sex for an hour for $100 at his place. No big deal, no real risk to anyone.
However, the idea of some girl traveling to a distant location to meet a stranger and get paid $500 for two days sound like a poor business decision. Suppose the guy just walks away upon meeting, not to mention the other 100 things that could go wrong with this arrangement. Better to sell your pussy through an escort agency for a couple of hours than waste 48 hours trapped with a scrooge.
Once again the fine members of this thread have done an excellent job commoditizing pussy. Something that is basically free in Ukraine if you have the time and money to look for it.
Delta Indigo
07-15-12, 23:39
I understand the concept of a monger traveling to a town and negotiating p4p. Girl meets a guy on the street, feels him out, they negotiate to have sex for an hour for $100 at his place. No big deal, no real risk to anyone.
However, the idea of some girl traveling to a distant location to meet a stranger and get paid $500 for two days sound like a poor business decision. Suppose the guy just walks away upon meeting, not to mention the other 100 things that could go wrong with this arrangement. Better to sell your pussy through an escort agency for a couple of hours than waste 48 hours trapped with a scrooge.
Once again the fine members of this thread have done an excellent job commoditizing pussy. Something that is basically free in Ukraine if you have the time and money to look for it.I really do not understand your answer. The vast majority of this forum is dedicated to pay for play Q & A. He asked if he had paid enough? There are many people who argue that many mongers pay far too much. And with respect to that questions, local salaries should factor into the decision making matrix. She gets a months salary for two days work. If having sex with our prospective buyer such a dreadful thought then she can refuse up front and then go away and the cost of her travel is her only loss and the risk of this business venture. Have you had to take risks with money I certainly have.
Secondly she can ask for the entire payment or half of it up front. What do you mean by "commoditizing the cost", this is about pay for play and I really do not understand how you arrive at such a lofty moralistic answer.
Look do not get me wrong, I am American, proudly so, but live in London. I think many Americans have to pay so much for poor quality in the US, that they wonder if $500 for a weekend in the Ukraine is too little, it really shouldn't be.
From what I have read of Rio, it is far more expensive than a German FKK, why should it be?
Ideally you should look for it, nothing is truly free, but you should look for it and not have to pay. I have this strategy in certain situations but sometimes I want quick results. And I am quite certain you have paid for sex by reading your reports, so where does "Once again the fine members of this thread have done an excellent job commoditizing pussy. Something that is basically free in Ukraine if you have the time and money to look for it" this comment come from? If you take this any further then you can argue that every girl who has to sell sex is a harmless victim and all her clients are horrible criminals, that is the rationale behind femi nazi laws in Sweden and Norway. However from your experience, and at least from mine, we know that in actuality girls willingly do this to earn a lot of money quickly and are far from victims in the equation. So the only issue is how much should one pay, and the going rate in Ukraine is far higher than it should be given the level of average income in the country. I was discussing this with someone over a PM, Ukraine is far too expensive compared to much wealthier countries like the the Czech Republic.
This forum is essentially about, but not exclusively so, about pay for play.
This forum is essentially about, but not exclusively so, about pay for play.Not so. It is about where to find girls. No matter the means. Some guys use their wallet, some others use their "game". Some guys are strictly P4P players, some others like to date, woo and charm. Some guys enjoy solely being with pros, some others consider that pro sex and freebie sex can't be compared. It's not a pissing contest though. As usual, to each its own.
protocol, i was in buddha bar in may and definetely i don't agree with you, yes is true there was some man over 50 but i don't see any problem on it, was full of beautifoul girls and they can choose with whom they want to go, if a man agree because i listen some price that are out of the world.
i'm 36 so not in the age that you are speaking about but i think that if a man is over 50 can go to buddha bar or any other place without problem and i don't think business lady run away for it. is the opposite, very often they pay more and spend more time in chat than in sex and this is what business lady want, or you think they come with you for your young age and nice dress?
met up with a girl i met on mamba before and traveled with. good nice girl, wants nothing from me but i help her out a bit. at the point of just doing it out of caring and not asking anything back but we will travel again.
buddha bar on friday, my favorite bar has become a sausage fest of old dudes. guys, i know you are looking for young ukranian pussy but your presence in your bald heads and white hair, bad clothes and running shoes, and plaid shirts over t-shirts. this is not helping the reputation of the bar and it's not bringing in the girls.
i counted 18 men at the bar and 0 girls on a friday night. rep001tered girls throughout the club in a 1 to 3 ratio with one guy in the seating areas. the one guy makes it impossible to enter in. not a single girl at the bar which is where they'd come "if available".
so honestly, this is the end for buddha bar. the internet killed it by attracting mongers who are just too old, too uninterested in putting in a minor amount of effort into their appearance. i mean hell, i feel bad going in there being associated with that, i can't imagine what the girls may feel.
this bar is certainly not what it used to be, and now, is no longer favorite bar.
went to dlux. lounge again had a 5 men to 1 ratio. a bourbon costs 220 grivna plus tip. don't know how long you want to hang out at that rate. a few girls straggled in but nobody that you wouldn't see anywhere else so no interest. fashion show thing upstairs, don't know what that was about or how it changed the dynamic. didn't try the dance floor, as i dance like a moron and that's not going to help me or the people watching me.
on other days, visited solid gold which was actually a really nice club. mostly empty, a few very beautiful girls, everyone can dance there and it's not crapped into a corner like millenium so you could come with friends and have a good time in a good atmosphere. two girls were 10s. everyone could dance, spoke english, and was friendly. a+.
went to rhino star in podol after the sausage fest fiasco in buddha bar, i think they should just convert over to a gay bar and say the hell with it, the internet has broken it for good. people reading this board and going there thinking they will get a 10/10 supermodel to come home with their 60 year old butt. no offense guys, i mean it out of love, but it is not happening and you are just bringing down the situation for everyone. not here. it's like going into the best places in thailand and the worst places in thailand. if you dress with a plaid shirt and t-shirt underneath and are completely bald with hiking shoes on, then you are bringing down the scene and the girls will go elsewhere. which they seem to have done.
ok i got ranting again. anyway rhino star is actually a super cool club, probably the nicest i've been to in the world.
girls are friendly, they are agressive on cue (during the dance special) otherwise will just come and ask you for a dance and honestly you should just go. sometimes it's 100 per song or 100 for two songs depending on the special.
the vast majority of the girls are 8 and over. bunch of 8s and 9s. happy, friendly, because probably they don't have to go home with old bald mongers (again, no offense, but reality is reality). buying them a drink is just the normal price for the drink, and they may sit happily with you for a drink, but if they get up for the washroom you will be set apon by some other dream girl and be tempted away. when you return your drinks will be there and then eventually the girl you bought the drink for returns.
unlike other crap places in this city where it's just about getting the money out of your wallet.
it's basically a great strip club. not a take home thing, so maybe not your thing, but you can go out, get loaded, get some really good dances from some very hot girls who are actually also nice people and will be nice to you with out any fakery. keep in mind it's still a job and once you're broke you should expect them to move on, same as you would move on from a broke client. but until then there's very little fake and you'll enjoy it.
so, in summary,
this website broke buddha bar, it's useless unless you want to hang around with groups of high 20s men "who read on the internet hot girls are here" or you want to sit at the bar with a bunch of guys with no hair or white hair with rotating heads.
there still are a handful of beautiful girls, two walked by that the entire bar tracked with their eyes, tall and beautiful, but it is not the same bar as it was one year ago.
solid gold was good, millenium is a super inflated clip joint with a few nice girls, dlux has some eye candy but unsure how to access it, star rhino is a great club if you just want a great strip club experience (even got me a cab and i paid local rates to get home).
buddha bar is over.
the girls are gone unless you bring them yourself.
male to female ratio is blown out of the water. a bar filled with bald, bad dressed men, ages 50-70, kills everything.
after that happens its all over.
seriously guys, if you hit that point, you have to accept a little bit of reality about what you are going to access and your methods for doing it. you will not be pulling them down at the hot club. in my opinion. not here, not with these girls, and not in this city. there is some leeway in age. 24 to 42 is going to work. but you better wear good clothes, stay in shape, and be a reasonable beacon of success. looking like you're going to go cut the grass in the back yard, being 55+, that kills it. i am repeating myself. i am sad to see a good thing die.
it was so in walking distance from where i wanted to be and now everything is changed for me because of this sausage fest from hell.
Delta Indigo
07-16-12, 17:40
Not so. It is about where to find girls. No matter the means. Some guys use their wallet, some others use their "game". Some guys are strictly P4P players, some others like to date, woo and charm. Some guys enjoy solely being with pros, some others consider that pro sex and freebie sex can't be compared. It's not a pissing contest though. As usual, to each its own.Look I do understand that each person has his own approach and is free to express his preferred methods, in fact I like reading the reports about Freebies and how to get them and how women are in each society. Russia, Brazil and Argentina and so on.
However a comment like "Once again the fine members of this thread have done an excellent job commoditizing pussy" is really not appropriate given the fact this this web site is really not morally opposed to P4P.
This website is not a moralistic forum about how appropriate paying for sex is, most members almost all, would agree that you pay in some way.
I am really not one who has to pay, in fact the most gorgeous girls I slept with were for free. But a moralistic attitude to P4P is not relevant for this forum.
The long explanation from me about this should really not have been necessary.
However a comment like "Once again the fine members of this thread have done an excellent job commoditizing pussy" is really not appropriate given the fact this this web site is really not morally opposed to P4P.My statement has absolutely nothing to do with morals. I won't explain.
thank you for the report but i think it's more about summer time. top girls from dlux and buddha bar have (most of them) visa so you will find them now in turkey, egypt or dubai. i'm in contact with many girls from mamba and now you can see that they changed their city they come from kiev to dubai, antalya or hurghada. most of my friends from kiev are in holidays as well. so i guess it will be better to go during the summer to places like vodka bar (for discos) or rio (for strip clubs) because (besides of the top girls there too) they have to work because they do not have big sponsors or visa.
totally the same like this in germany right now! all the fkk clubs are empty because they went home to their families or for vacation. but the average girls are still in the clubs.
i will be back in kiev this thursday and will report again from maidan boat, rio, buddha bar, avalon, sky bar, massage salons and some other spots.
met up with a girl i met on mamba before and traveled with. good nice girl, wants nothing from me but i help her out a bit. at the point of just doing it out of caring and not asking anything back but we will travel again.
buddha bar on friday, my favorite bar has become a sausage fest of old dudes. guys, i know you are looking for young ukranian pussy but your presence in your bald heads and white hair, bad clothes and running shoes, and plaid shirts over t-shirts. this is not helping the reputation of the bar and it's not bringing in the girls.
i counted 18 men at the bar and 0 girls on a friday night. rep001tered girls throughout the club in a 1 to 3 ratio with one guy in the seating areas. the one guy makes it impossible to enter in. not a single girl at the bar which is where they'd come "if available".
so honestly, this is the end for buddha bar. the internet killed it by attracting mongers who are just too old, too uninterested in putting in a minor amount of effort into their appearance. i mean hell, i feel bad going in there being associated with that, i can't imagine what the girls may feel.
this bar is certainly not what it used to be, and now, is no longer favorite bar.
went to dlux. lounge again had a 5 men to 1 ratio. a bourbon costs 220 grivna plus tip. don't know how long you want to hang out at that rate. a few girls straggled in but nobody that you wouldn't see anywhere else so no interest. fashion show thing upstairs, don't know what that was about or how it changed the dynamic. didn't try the dance floor, as i dance like a moron and that's not going to help me or the people watching me.
on other days, visited solid gold which was actually a really nice club. mostly empty, a few very beautiful girls, everyone can dance there and it's not crapped into a corner like millenium so you could come with friends and have a good time in a good atmosphere. two girls were 10s. everyone could dance, spoke english, and was friendly. a+.
went to rhino star in podol after the sausage fest fiasco in buddha bar, i think they should just convert over to a gay bar and say the hell with it, the internet has broken it for good. people reading this board and going there thinking they will get a 10/10 supermodel to come home with their 60 year old butt. no offense guys, i mean it out of love, but it is not happening and you are just bringing down the situation for everyone. not here. it's like going into the best places in thailand and the worst places in thailand. if you dress with a plaid shirt and t-shirt underneath and are completely bald with hiking shoes on, then you are bringing down the scene and the girls will go elsewhere. which they seem to have done.
ok i got ranting again. anyway rhino star is actually a super cool club, probably the nicest i've been to in the world.
girls are friendly, they are agressive on cue (during the dance special) otherwise will just come and ask you for a dance and honestly you should just go. sometimes it's 100 per song or 100 for two songs depending on the special.
the vast majority of the girls are 8 and over. bunch of 8s and 9s. happy, friendly, because probably they don't have to go home with old bald mongers (again, no offense, but reality is reality). buying them a drink is just the normal price for the drink, and they may sit happily with you for a drink, but if they get up for the washroom you will be set apon by some other dream girl and be tempted away. when you return your drinks will be there and then eventually the girl you bought the drink for returns.
unlike other crap places in this city where it's just about getting the money out of your wallet.
it's basically a great strip club. not a take home thing, so maybe not your thing, but you can go out, get loaded, get some really good dances from some very hot girls who are actually also nice people and will be nice to you with out any fakery. keep in mind it's still a job and once you're broke you should expect them to move on, same as you would move on from a broke client. but until then there's very little fake and you'll enjoy it.
so, in summary,
this website broke buddha bar, it's useless unless you want to hang around with groups of high 20s men "who read on the internet hot girls are here" or you want to sit at the bar with a bunch of guys with no hair or white hair with rotating heads.
there still are a handful of beautiful girls, two walked by that the entire bar tracked with their eyes, tall and beautiful, but it is not the same bar as it was one year ago.
solid gold was good, millenium is a super inflated clip joint with a few nice girls, dlux has some eye candy but unsure how to access it, star rhino is a great club if you just want a great strip club experience (even got me a cab and i paid local rates to get home).
buddha bar is over.
the girls are gone unless you bring them yourself.
male to female ratio is blown out of the water. a bar filled with bald, bad dressed men, ages 50-70, kills everything.
after that happens its all over.
seriously guys, if you hit that point, you have to accept a little bit of reality about what you are going to access and your methods for doing it. you will not be pulling them down at the hot club. in my opinion. not here, not with these girls, and not in this city. there is some leeway in age. 24 to 42 is going to work. but you better wear good clothes, stay in shape, and be a reasonable beacon of success. looking like you're going to go cut the grass in the back yard, being 55+, that kills it. i am repeating myself. i am sad to see a good thing die.
it was so in walking distance from where i wanted to be and now everything is changed for me because of this sausage fest from hell.
Delta Indigo
07-16-12, 20:02
My statement has absolutely nothing to do with morals. I won't explain.Then what does your statement have to do with?
Assertions like "the girl is taking massive risks and you should be aware of this" these are moralistic assertions, she can refuse of couse or not take the risk.
"This might be a poor buisness proposition" is entirely a value judgement.
I really don't mean to single you out, I think you are a nice guy. But this forum in particular has had many silly things said in it, (NOT AT ALL BY YOU BUT BY ANOTHER PERSON)
But this is simple logic, of course you made a moral judgement. The questioner should not have asked if he is being too cheap, if she agrees he was not.
So he should not have asked, he should have only asked about the going rate.
PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE.
I like you Climax Now and I think you are a nice guy.
But I mean should we respond that way and I do not MEAN YOU ONLY. In fact you were okay, the person before who mentioned $10 an hour drew my attention.
When we decide how much we pay, we should factor in the average wage in the country, should we not?
$500 for a weekend is generous in the Ukraine.
CLIMAX NOW, going for freebies is the best and we should all aim for this as an ideal and I agree with you about this.
But can we give the questioner a break? Many others have criticised him and I direct this mainly to them and not you.
Ticking Timebomb
07-16-12, 20:33
You are certainly not alone here. Nice to see such honest reports. The truth is that the girls in Kiev are getting spoilt by the hour by so many men trying to hunt them from far and wide. Agreed the girls in Ukraine are one amongst the best looking but of late the demand for them is outweighing the supply. Still maybe true that Ukraine is an easier hunting ground than anywhere in europe. I too have started to feel that the rewards one gets in Kiev is certainly not worth the amount of effort required. The girls in mamba and night clubs all have an agenda period.I have to call you on that one. Where is the evidence of demand outstripping supply? Girls on Mamba are actually quoting lower prices! Euro 2012 wasn't the shag fest they expected and as there are sooooo many more prostitutes than tourists in this city, the prices are aimed more at locals. Sure if you go to the sex tourist traps and do little homework, you'll pay through the nose. Almost all girls are I've chatted to on Mamba recently (today) are charging 500 uah for an hour. Try it and see. People have been saying that girls here are getting more and more spoiled since I arrived several years ago. Actually, prices have decreased. If they haven't for you, you're doing something wrong. However, everyone sees the world differently.
Then what does your statement have to do with?
Assertions like "the girl is taking massive risks and you should be aware of this" these are moralistic assertions, she can refuse of couse or not take the risk.
"This might be a poor buisness proposition" is entirely a value judgement.
I really don't mean to single you out, I think you are a nice guy. But this forum in particular has had many silly things said in it, (NOT AT ALL BY YOU BUT BY ANOTHER PERSON)
But this is simple logic, of course you made a moral judgement. The questioner should not have asked if he is being too cheap, if she agrees he was not.
So he should not have asked, he should have only asked about the going rate.
PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE.
I like you Climax Now and I think you are a nice guy.
But I mean should we respond that way and I do not MEAN YOU ONLY. In fact you were okay, the person before who mentioned $10 an hour drew my attention.
When we decide how much we pay, we should factor in the average wage in the country, should we not?
$500 for a weekend is generous in the Ukraine.
CLIMAX NOW, going for freebies is the best and we should all aim for this as an ideal and I agree with you about this.
But can we give the questioner a break? Many others have criticised him and I direct this mainly to them and not you.The notion that pussy can be broken down to a bushel of soybeans where everything is equal, completely disregards the personal nature of all sexual activity by women. You take it for granted all mongers are equal when in fact they are not. Prostitution is a business like any other where risk greatly increase as you stray from norm. Forty eight hours seems like a long time not to be accounted for. Prostitutes will count every hour they are with you even when sleeping. How is $10 an hour generous?
It seems more realistic to me if this guy could find the girl in her hometown and fuck her for an hour for $100. All nice and basically risk free. Once the girl actually knows him, than he can offer her his $10 an hour deal along with any other positives he brings as a monger.
If you guys are finding girls that will stay with you for 48 hrs for $500 and have sex, could you please pm me there numbers. I am really doing my best to learn Russian and the pillow talk sounds like a great tool to reach fluency.
Buddha Bar on Friday, my favorite bar has become a SAUSAGE FEST OF OLD DUDES. Guys, I know you are looking for young ukranian pussy but your presence in your bald heads and white hair, bad clothes and running shoes, and plaid shirts over t-shirts. This is not helping the reputation of the bar and it's not bringing in the girls.
So honestly, this is the end for Buddha bar. The internet killed it by attracting mongers who are just too old, too uninterested in putting in a minor amount of effort into their appearance. I mean hell, I feel bad going in there being associated with that, I can't imagine what the girls may feel.What's your plan for the time you will become older and bolder?
Member #4491
07-16-12, 21:42
If you guys are finding girls that will stay with you for 48 hrs for $500 and have sex, could you please pm me there numbers. I am really doing my best to learn Russian and the pillow talk sounds like a great tool to reach fluency.CN, I know that you know that there are thousands of woman on the social sites that you do not need to pay anything to have pillow talk with. I did not spend so many days in Ukraine but have a "girlfriend" in a couple of cities, and well on my way to a secondary girlfriend in one (god she is hot). I like P4P for variation and girlfriend (s) for pillow talk and morning sex.
Flying from Kharkov to Kiev I met two girls that where going to Georgia for vacation. They where older. Approaching 30 but one was very hot, but a superb ass and juicy heavy tits that bounced around in her little blouse as she was jumping around in her seat. She used to be a model and had a masters in electronics. After just some 30 minutes it was agreed that we would travel to Rome together for a weekend of sightseeing and "fun". They worked hard to get me to stay and take the flight to Georgia with them, but I had no time. Giggly and relaxed girls, that liked to flirt, but I doubt that I will see them again. I prefer girls around 20 but it seems like meeting females above 25 is very easy in Ukraine. I am starting to love this country.
B.
The notion that pussy can be broken down to a bushel of soybeans where everything is equal, completely disregards the personal nature of all sexual activity by women. You take it for granted all mongers are equal when in fact they are not. Prostitution is a business like any other where risk greatly increase as you stray from norm. Forty eight hours seems like a long time not to be accounted for. Prostitutes will count every hour they are with you even when sleeping. How is $10 an hour generous?
It seems more realistic to me if this guy could find the girl in her hometown and fuck her for an hour for $100. All nice and basically risk free. Once the girl actually knows him, than he can offer her his $10 an hour deal along with any other positives he brings as a monger.
If you guys are finding girls that will stay with you for 48 hrs for $500 and have sex, could you please pm me there numbers. I am really doing my best to learn Russian and the pillow talk sounds like a great tool to reach fluency.By the way, I just took a look at Gia's basic pricing scheme. One hour costs $200. 48 hrs cost $2500 at Gia. Somehow you reasoned one fifth of standard Western pricing was fair. Under this reasoning, you should be paying about $40 for one hour of FS. Good luck with that! Send them my way if you can find um!
met up with a girl i met on mamba before and traveled with. good nice girl, wants nothing from me but i help her out a bit. at the point of just doing it out of caring and not asking anything back but we will travel again.
buddha bar on friday, my favorite bar has become a sausage fest of old dudes. guys, i know you are looking for young ukranian pussy but your presence in your bald heads and white hair, bad clothes and running shoes, and plaid shirts over t-shirts. this is not helping the reputation of the bar and it's not bringing in the girls.
i counted 18 men at the bar and 0 girls on a friday night. rep001tered girls throughout the club in a 1 to 3 ratio with one guy in the seating areas. the one guy makes it impossible to enter in. not a single girl at the bar which is where they'd come "if available".
so honestly, this is the end for buddha bar. the internet killed it by attracting mongers who are just too old, too uninterested in putting in a minor amount of effort into their appearance. i mean hell, i feel bad going in there being associated with that, i can't imagine what the girls may feel.
this bar is certainly not what it used to be, and now, is no longer favorite bar.
went to dlux. lounge again had a 5 men to 1 ratio. a bourbon costs 220 grivna plus tip. don't know how long you want to hang out at that rate. a few girls straggled in but nobody that you wouldn't see anywhere else so no interest. fashion show thing upstairs, don't know what that was about or how it changed the dynamic. didn't try the dance floor, as i dance like a moron and that's not going to help me or the people watching me.
on other days, visited solid gold which was actually a really nice club. mostly empty, a few very beautiful girls, everyone can dance there and it's not crapped into a corner like millenium so you could come with friends and have a good time in a good atmosphere. two girls were 10s. everyone could dance, spoke english, and was friendly. a+.
went to rhino star in podol after the sausage fest fiasco in buddha bar, i think they should just convert over to a gay bar and say the hell with it, the internet has broken it for good. people reading this board and going there thinking they will get a 10/10 supermodel to come home with their 60 year old butt. no offense guys, i mean it out of love, but it is not happening and you are just bringing down the situation for everyone. not here. it's like going into the best places in thailand and the worst places in thailand. if you dress with a plaid shirt and t-shirt underneath and are completely bald with hiking shoes on, then you are bringing down the scene and the girls will go elsewhere. which they seem to have done.
ok i got ranting again. anyway rhino star is actually a super cool club, probably the nicest i've been to in the world.
girls are friendly, they are agressive on cue (during the dance special) otherwise will just come and ask you for a dance and honestly you should just go. sometimes it's 100 per song or 100 for two songs depending on the special.
the vast majority of the girls are 8 and over. bunch of 8s and 9s. happy, friendly, because probably they don't have to go home with old bald mongers (again, no offense, but reality is reality). buying them a drink is just the normal price for the drink, and they may sit happily with you for a drink, but if they get up for the washroom you will be set apon by some other dream girl and be tempted away. when you return your drinks will be there and then eventually the girl you bought the drink for returns.
unlike other crap places in this city where it's just about getting the money out of your wallet.
it's basically a great strip club. not a take home thing, so maybe not your thing, but you can go out, get loaded, get some really good dances from some very hot girls who are actually also nice people and will be nice to you with out any fakery. keep in mind it's still a job and once you're broke you should expect them to move on, same as you would move on from a broke client. but until then there's very little fake and you'll enjoy it.
so, in summary,
this website broke buddha bar, it's useless unless you want to hang around with groups of high 20s men "who read on the internet hot girls are here" or you want to sit at the bar with a bunch of guys with no hair or white hair with rotating heads.
there still are a handful of beautiful girls, two walked by that the entire bar tracked with their eyes, tall and beautiful, but it is not the same bar as it was one year ago.
solid gold was good, millenium is a super inflated clip joint with a few nice girls, dlux has some eye candy but unsure how to access it, star rhino is a great club if you just want a great strip club experience (even got me a cab and i paid local rates to get home).
buddha bar is over.
the girls are gone unless you bring them yourself.
male to female ratio is blown out of the water. a bar filled with bald, bad dressed men, ages 50-70, kills everything.
after that happens its all over.
seriously guys, if you hit that point, you have to accept a little bit of reality about what you are going to access and your methods for doing it. you will not be pulling them down at the hot club. in my opinion. not here, not with these girls, and not in this city. there is some leeway in age. 24 to 42 is going to work. but you better wear good clothes, stay in shape, and be a reasonable beacon of success. looking like you're going to go cut the grass in the back yard, being 55+, that kills it. i am repeating myself. i am sad to see a good thing die.
it was so in walking distance from where i wanted to be and now everything is changed for me because of this sausage fest from hell.stop moaning.
the biggest turn off for girls here isn't your age, your clothes or whether you are in bad shape.
they don't like idiots that moan. real men here do, losers complain.
I was contacted by a girl from outside Kiev and asked if I wanted her to come and meet me at my upcoming trip to Kiev. I was mostly interested in some company during my staying there and offered USD500, beside expenses, for 2 whole days.
Was I totaly out of the line cheap?
As I see it I have no problem to find just no-sex company for 2 days in Kiev for free, besides dinner, cost for activities and so on. If I want sex I have no problem to find this for maximun USD100 / hour and I will for sure not have sex for more than 5 hours during 2 days. Most of my visits in Kiev I don't search for sex at all but just some nice company.
USD500 is probably also half a months salary there. Good for 2 days in my eyes for just spending time with a nice company.$500 for a weekend visit is very generous, $300 plus travel would be normal. Breaking it down to an hourly rate is not relative to the situation I feel. You aren't looking for a $100 an hour hooker and she's not looking to fuck 5 guys over the weekend.
By the way, I just took a look at Gia's basic pricing scheme. One hour costs $200. 48 hrs cost $2500 at Gia. Somehow you reasoned one fifth of standard Western pricing was fair. Under this reasoning, you should be paying about $40 for one hour of FS. Good luck with that! Send them my way if you can find um!Who still uses GIA?
Who still uses GIA?Just used it as a barometer of pricing IL.
Member #4274
07-17-12, 03:03
$500 for a weekend visit is very generous, $300 plus travel would be normal. Breaking it down to an hourly rate is not relative to the situation I feel. You aren't looking for a $100 an hour hooker and she's not looking to fuck 5 guys over the weekend.I agree with Irish Lad. 300 USD plus travel is normal. Obviously you are going to be paying for everything in Kiev when she is with you. Tell her you will bring a gift for her from whatever country you are from. Slavic chicks, like all women, love to be given gifts. It has worked well for me in the past.
Michelangelo
07-17-12, 07:08
Who still uses GIA?Going to Kiev in a few days. Anybody experience with.
www.escort-models.com
$500 for a weekend visit is very generous, $300 plus travel would be normal. Breaking it down to an hourly rate is not relative to the situation I feel. You aren't looking for a $100 an hour hooker and she's not looking to fuck 5 guys over the weekend..
He is an Irish Lad, but not that Green when it comes to money matters 4 fun in Ukraine.
A girl who comes down to see you in KIEV and not ask for any money upfront ain't a $100 hooker. She might be a girl just looking for some fun and money on the side.
Donetsk girl who came down to Kiev to see me in 2009, cost me just under US$ 300, and that included her room at my hotel. .
Again I refer to Irish Lad who did decipher our pms at the time, when I posted some contents, that Donetsk girl wasn't a hooker.
She thought I was her Dream Man. So there you have it.
The girl is for my private use only.
I was checking a little bit for Kiev private guides to see the rate and I saw up to 150$ a day.
Didn't search so much but I did se a couple of younger girls including one hottie. Wonder if any could be interested in some "additional work" for an additional fee?
There have been several more that have been writing me, from mamba, offering servecis (I just recently registered). One asking a whooping 800$ a day for a couple of days! Otherwise they usually just write a short notice that I can meet them for 100$ an hour. Most seem to have little or no english skills so its not really possible to communicate with them. I would think there would be a good chance to get 3 hours for 200$ from a 100$ girl but haven't asked. The only girl of these that seemed to have good skills in english sent me her number without having asked for it.
Anyway I registed at mamba to try to find a date not payed sex. This showed out to be much more difficult than I thought. To me it seems much more difficult than to ask someone out from the street in Kiev. The reply rate of this has so far been arround 1 out of 100 but I guess since I turned 45 a month a go I'm a bit to old for girls below 30. Also, the large majority of them I tried to write hadn't noted any english skills.
AColonizer
07-17-12, 16:31
Escort sites and escort advertisements mean nothing. Real prices are in the middle of the real market. It is like a stock exchange: some shares are just paper for the mob, some shares are gems at low prices, some shares are good but too expensive.
Just used it as a barometer of pricing IL.
By the way, I just took a look at Gia's basic pricing scheme. One hour costs $200. 48 hrs cost $2500 at Gia. Somehow you reasoned one fifth of standard Western pricing was fair. Under this reasoning, you should be paying about $40 for one hour of FS. Good luck with that! Send them my way if you can find um!.
Your girl that you met in March worked out at this price, going by your post.
". I made one trip to Kiev back in March and I met a 19 year old that agreed to come back to my place for $150 and perform FS and owo. The girl ended up being a porn star performer and stayed for hours at my place.".
And why use Gia as a! Barometer " for pricing?
Price for sex should be "Ten Times The Price Of a Hair Cut ".
Get the Book. We disussed this before on this thread.
I have to call you on that one. Where is the evidence of demand outstripping supply? Girls on Mamba are actually quoting lower prices! Euro 2012 wasn't the shag fest they expected and as there are sooooo many more prostitutes than tourists in this city, the prices are aimed more at locals. Sure if you go to the sex tourist traps and do little homework, you'll pay through the nose. Almost all girls are I've chatted to on Mamba recently (today) are charging 500 uah for an hour. Try it and see. People have been saying that girls here are getting more and more spoiled since I arrived several years ago. Actually, prices have decreased. If they haven't for you, you're doing something wrong. However, everyone sees the world differently.Spot on.
The Euro 2012 pulled all the old working girls out from wherever they were hiding and the fanzone in Maidan was packed with girls all searching foreigners. The feedback is that the p4p girls didn't realize the football fans were more interested in football than sex. Many fans were couples too which reduced the market.
I am always surprised when the champions league is on how many girls still turn up at Arena bar. They don't get noticed until full time.
Prices have certainly dropped on Mamba.
Member #4491
07-17-12, 18:49
Prices have certainly dropped on Mamba.I can only agree. Quotations during my trip just before EURO was higher than my last visit just after the football party. The ones that responded quoted me more often 500 UAH for an hour. One 21 year old girl said "the same as my friend" and I said "well, I do not know what she charge since I did not met her", and then stupid me said "100 USD" and she said "YES!" a little bit too loud. But she stayed for a couple of hours and took it in all her holes with no complaints, so she worked for the 100 USD.
500 UAH per hour will be what I consider normal for my next visit in some weeks.
B
Prices have certainly dropped on Mamba.I've just registered at mamba. I have been searching for a date but some girls has answered 100$ and hour so they were obviously WG even if they hadn't directly stated that in the add. Is that a dropped price? Then it must have been expensive earliger.
Landed today and will make a good wingman. 30, in shape and like non pros, I'm good at approaching girls so if anyone wants to hit some places ill be here for a few days, I noticed alot of you mentioned meeting up so just pm me with phone number or if you can't pm leave a message with a meeting time. I'm by Kreshetak McDonalds.
Going to Kiev in a few days. Anybody experience with.
www.escort-models.comThis question has been asked and answered many times before on this thread. It's obvious you need to read more of the thread going back at least a year. If you don't you will miss information and make mistakes that will cost you time and money. So do your homework before getting to Kiev. That's advice you can take to the bank.
The particular website you ask about, like just about all the Many escort websites for escorts in Kiev that you can easily find doing Google searches, is a "bait and switch" agency that uses fake pictures. That means the girl who will arrive at your apartment will not be the girl in the picture you saw, nor will she bear any resemblance to the girl in the picture you saw. Neither will she necessarily speak English despite what the phone person from the agency told you when you called and ordered her. The only thing that will be accurate is the price that want you to pay. It doesn't mean you can't use these agencies to get hookers to your apartment. All it means is your shopping starts when the girl shows up and you see what they are actually selling.
It is entirely a matter of random chance whether the girl that shows up will be good looking or will be a piglet. The agency will send you whoever they have available at the time of your call. Since the population pool in a place like Kiev contains a good percentage of young females who are skinny and good looking, you stand a statistically decent chance that a good looking girl might show up. But it is not guaranteed, and is the result of random chance of it happens. Thus like in any matter gambled on, you have to be ready for the result to be not what you want on each roll of the dice. If a girl not to your liking shows up, you should simply send her back and order another. You may choose to ask the agency to simply send you their three best available girls for you to choose from, as the larger number of girls increases the odds that a good looking girl may be among them. If you give taxi fare to each girl sent away, then the agency will usually continue to try to get a girl to you that you might accept. If you send girls away without taxi fare, then the agency will probably not continue to service you. If you want to use websites to get escorts to your apartment, that's the way to handle what they will throw at you. Just realize the photos mean nothing and it's a numbers game you will have to play until you get a decent looking girl. This process will of course consume and waste a lot of your time, or you may be lucky and a good enough looking girl will show up sooner. It's random chance. Some guys were very lucky and a very good looking girl showed up within a reasonable number of tries.
Although I tried the agency you asked about, and know that what I have explained to you is true from.
Personal experience, I have not tried the many very high priced escort websites for Kiev escorts. The market rate for an escort girl in Kiev is in the area of between 400 UAH ($50 USD) to 800 UAH ($100 USD). Those prices are generally recognized as acceptable and within the range of reasonable for escorts in Kiev. Prices much higher than that such as $150 or 150 Euro or 200 Euro that are asked on some escort websites are prices that are very high for Kiev and rip off prices. I never ordered a girl from such very high priced escort websites because of the prices which were too high, so I don't know if they also use fake pics or whether these very high priced escort websites are using true pictures. Even if the girls who showed up at your door from these high priced websites were actually the girl in the website photos, it wouldn't have mattered to me, because I did not want to be paying 200 Euro, or even 150 Euro, for only one hour in a place like Kiev, when I knew that I could get girls who looked as good as their photos for $100 / hour quite easily. So I never investigated the escort websites with prices like 150 Euro / hour and above. So I merely surmise that they too are using fake pictures, but don't know that from personal experience, although its a fairly good bet I am right.
There are several exceptions to the above, the first of which is gia-escort. Com which has been reported to be using true but photoshopped pictures on their website, but is too high priced compared to the proper market rates for escorting in Kiev of up to 800 UAH ($100 USD) for the first hour. Also the girls on their website aren't generally good looking enough to command premium prices, even if the rates come down to more reasonable hourly rates for a long term booking. So since better looking girls were available in Kiev for lower prices, I have never used Gia yet. But you will find reports back in the thread of members who did.
Another website which is an exception to the strictly fake picture website style, is top-modals. Com, which is a mixture of mostly fake ads from girl apartments and agencies, but some individual girls I have ordered from that site in 2010 did use their true pics. I haven't ordered girls from top-modals. Com more recently, so I don't know the current state of things, but it is sure a high percentage of the pics are fake, although some may be true.
The same can be said about the mamba. Ru website, insofar as the ads that were from girls who wrote on their profiles "offers sex for money" or "seeking a sponsor" or since the recent "clean up" of that website, using the euphemism of "looking for fun". However, the caveat about this is that mamba. Ru is also a social website with many real girls using it just like any other social website. So you have this combination of female users of the mamba. Ru website in Kiev of both real girls who are looking for normal dates, together with girls looking to receive money in exchange for their favors, and many escort agencies and girl apartments creating profiles for that purpose.
So It depends what you as the man are looking for. If you are looking for freebie sex and regular dating, you will want to identify the profiles of the real girls who are likely using true pictures, since at the first date one would see they lied with fake pics, and usually a normal date is preceded by exchange of further pics or skyping so the parties can see each other, do what's the point of using fake pics. And if you are a gentleman that doesn't want to waste time going on preliminary dates first, but rathet who is looking for p4p, I. E. For an escort to come to your apartment (pay for play) , then you will want to identify the profiles of those girls who are desirous of coming to your apartment to have sex with you for an agreed fee.
How to identify which profile is which on mamba. Ru, and who are the real girls looking for normal dates, and who are the prostitutes or semi-pros looking for money in exchange for sex, will require another post. Perhaps someone else will address that in more detail. All I will say here is that I send a nice initial message that is designed to allow the girl to say what she wants or intends, and is innocuous enough to not be offensive to any real girls who may receive it. Something like,"you are very pretty. I would love to meet you. If you are interested, please send me your phone number and your conditions." you can embellish that with words that show your own petsonal flair, but the gist of it is there.
You should know that since there are many girl apartments and escort agencies as well as individual girls looking for p4p customers on mamba. Ru and posting profiles for that purpose, that those p4p girls or agencies are mostly using fake pictures because they are using "bait and switch" tactics which rely on the man's libido and passions to take the girl anyway, even if when she shows up at his door, he sees that she is not the girl in the picture he expected. If the girl who actually shows up looks good enough, then usually the tactic works and the man keeps the girl for paid sex. The fact that her agency or she lied about her picture is irrelevant, because he was not seeking a girl with good moral character to date as in normal dating, but rather he was seeking simply attractive female companionship and a female body to enjoy sex with, so what difference does it make that they used a fake pic. One pretty girl for paid sex is interchangeable with another pretty girl for paid sex."Bait and switch" continues to exist because it continues to work. The problems only happen when the agency sends a girl who is far below the level of good looks of the girl in the picture ad, and too far below the customer's own tastes. So since, with respect to the mamba. Ru profiles that are from p4p girls or agencies seeking customers for paid sex, many of the pictures in the profiles are fakes, it is necessary to approach it in the same fashion as recommended above, which is to keep trying with girl after girl until someone pleasing shows up, and not be deterred by the fake pics since it is a numbers game.
All the foregoing is regards how to approach the Internet escort websites for Kiev. But you should know that a better and more fun way to seek p4p girls in Kiev at night, is to go to the nightclubs mentioned on this thread, where you can directly see the girls you want, and there is no mystery of waiting to see who shows up at your door and will she be pretty or not. You can go right after the prettiest girl in the club directly. In nightclubs too however, you will need to figure out which are the p4p girls who will have sex for money (referred to on this thread as pros and semi-pros) , and which are the normal girls out for fun. It is safest in my view to speak to all girls as if they were regular girls and eventually, when the moment seems ripe for it, indicate your interest in having "fun" with them in your apartment, and Don't mention money. Wait for them to raise the issue of money. That way you don't End up propositioning a regular girl for paid sex and get your face slapped. Any p4p girl will likely get straight to the point, anyways. And who knows, you may be getting lucky and getting freebie sex. So go with the flow.
There is also higher priced p4p available as "take out" from a number of strip clubs in Kiev, and the girls are gorgeous, but it is pricey. So if what attracted you to the website you initially asked about was the low prices per hour, then stick with those type of low priced websites, and send away girls that aren't satisfactory to you until something good shows up. Or Try out the girl apartments that taxi drivers may know the location of in the downtown area. Or try out the nightclubs where it has been reported by others on this thread that girls can be gotten at similar low prices of $100 / hr too.
Do your research and.
Good luck mongering.
LJ
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Your girl that you met in March worked out at this price, going by your post.
". I made one trip to Kiev back in March and I met a 19 year old that agreed to come back to my place for $150 and perform FS and owo. The girl ended up being a porn star performer and stayed for hours at my place.".
And why use Gia as a! Barometer " for pricing?
Price for sex should be "Ten Times The Price Of a Hair Cut ".
Get the Book. We disussed this before on this thread.The discussion was about a non local girl jumping on a bus / train to meet someone for $500 for 48 hrs. I used Gia because they charge $200 / hr as a Western agency and most of us are in agreement that half this price is normal with independents. I simply divided there 48 / hr service of $2500 to arrive at a simple basis of what an independent might charge. Admittedly, this is poor reasoning.
I am not one to apply logic to mongering but I personally believe $500 for a weekend would be to low for a girl that is not local and does not know you. I could be very wrong. While in Kiev, I met girls through the nightclubs and not Mamba.
CityHunter77
07-18-12, 22:35
Completely agree with you Barba.
Girls over 25 are less money sucking
Usually more independent and financially stable.
Sometimes the roles get reversed and you end up paying f all for food and drinks.
Even had them drive me about the city and pick / drop me off at the airport.
That's what I call service.
CN, I know that you know that there are thousands of woman on the social sites that you do not need to pay anything to have pillow talk with. I did not spend so many days in Ukraine but have a "girlfriend" in a couple of cities, and well on my way to a secondary girlfriend in one (god she is hot). I like P4P for variation and girlfriend (s) for pillow talk and morning sex.
Flying from Kharkov to Kiev I met two girls that where going to Georgia for vacation. They where older. Approaching 30 but one was very hot, but a superb ass and juicy heavy tits that bounced around in her little blouse as she was jumping around in her seat. She used to be a model and had a masters in electronics. After just some 30 minutes it was agreed that we would travel to Rome together for a weekend of sightseeing and "fun". They worked hard to get me to stay and take the flight to Georgia with them, but I had no time. Giggly and relaxed girls, that liked to flirt, but I doubt that I will see them again. I prefer girls around 20 but it seems like meeting females above 25 is very easy in Ukraine. I am starting to love this country.
B.
OK, I'm going to Kiev tomorrow. I'll see how long I stay. I may go home Sunday evening otherwish Thuesday.
I am not one to apply logic to mongering but I personally believe $500 for a weekend would be to low for a girl that is not local and does not know you. I could be very wrong. While in Kiev, I met girls through the nightclubs and not Mamba.I think it is good money. Nearly everywhere. Even if you account some "sex serevices" (for sure these will not last 24hrs a day so your "poor reasoning" math will not apply). I also do not think this girl is a professional earning 200$ a go as an escort. I paid a professional interpreter / translator in Shangai (not a cheap city) , and nsex. Itwas a legitimate matter) for 200$ a days, for a 10hr a day service: I think it was good money for her (even if I am not that poor to think whe makes 200$30days). Go imagine for 500$ for a weekend, even in Ukraine
The discussion was about a non local girl jumping on a bus / train to meet someone for $500 for 48 hrs. I used Gia because they charge $200 / hr as a Western agency and most of us are in agreement that half this price is normal with independents. I simply divided there 48 / hr service of $2500 to arrive at a simple basis of what an independent might charge. Admittedly, this is poor reasoning.
I am not one to apply logic to mongering but I personally believe $500 for a weekend would be to low for a girl that is not local and does not know you. I could be very wrong. While in Kiev, I met girls through the nightclubs and not Mamba.There is no logic in mongering.
A lot of non local girls haven't got a clue where to have a nice time in Kiev. They dream of a weekend in Kiev to go to restaurants, driven around in Taxis, clubbing etc. .
Only a girl can judge what is reasonable for her.
Girls in Kiev'e nightclubs have been spoilt by foreign guys who haven't got a clue.
US$100 an hour now gets you a lot of gems even in LONDON.
Have a look on www.adultwork.com.
There is no fucking way getting my ass on a flight to Kiev to pay some out of town girl US$ 500 to spend a weekend with me.
The discussion was about a non local girl jumping on a bus / train to meet someone for $500 for 48 hrs. I used Gia because they charge $200 / hr as a Western agency and most of us are in agreement that half this price is normal with independents. I simply divided there 48 / hr service of $2500 to arrive at a simple basis of what an independent might charge. Admittedly, this is poor reasoning.
I am not one to apply logic to mongering but I personally believe $500 for a weekend would be to low for a girl that is not local and does not know you. I could be very wrong. While in Kiev, I met girls through the nightclubs and not Mamba.There is no logic in mongering.
A lot of non local girls haven't got a clue where to have a nice time in Kiev. They dream of a weekend in Kiev to go to restaurants, driven around in Taxis, clubbing etc. .
Only a girl can judge what is reasonable for her.
Girls in Kiev'e nightclubs have been spoilt by foreign guys who haven't got a clue.
US$100 an hour now gets you a lot of gems even in LONDON.
Have a look on www.adultwork.com.
There is no fucking way getting my ass on a flight to Kiev to pay some out of town girl US$ 500 to spend a weekend with me.
Only yesterday I had a great time with a great tall Blonde girl who wouldn't be out of line in a fashion show. US$100 for non stop 1/2 hour of sex.
And this was in one of the most upmarket areas of London.
http://houseofdivine.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=473.
Parissa.
Don't spoil Ukraine village girls.
It will do them a lot of harm in the Future, making it too easy for them to make money.
The discussion was about a non local girl jumping on a bus / train to meet someone for $500 for 48 hrs. I used Gia because they charge $200 / hr as a Western agency and most of us are in agreement that half this price is normal with independents. I simply divided there 48 / hr service of $2500 to arrive at a simple basis of what an independent might charge. Admittedly, this is poor reasoning.
I am not one to apply logic to mongering but I personally believe $500 for a weekend would be to low for a girl that is not local and does not know you. I could be very wrong. While in Kiev, I met girls through the nightclubs and not Mamba.Prices for mongering are not set in stone, nor there is like I said any logic in applying a price scale for mongering.
I pay what I want to pay at the time, regardless what others pay.
If you think US$500 for a weekend is too low, then simply pay her more.
She won't omplain.
Ask UA girls how miuch money they make working their Asses in Cyprus Nightclubs.
Member #4491
07-19-12, 01:34
I've just registered at mamba. I have been searching for a date but some girls has answered 100$ and hour so they were obviously WG even if they hadn't directly stated that in the add. Is that a dropped price? Then it must have been expensive earliger.No, this is the price that you should try to drop. 500 UAH is a better target.
B.
Member #4491
07-19-12, 02:14
Even had them drive me about the city and pick / drop me off at the airport.Yea, had one Mamba P4P girl that was about to meet me at the airport in Kharkov, but my plane was messed up so we met in the park. We had a good time. She lied about her age. Babyface and nice blue eyes but her tits where floppy. Now she emails me a lot of rather sweet messages. Another desperate single mother that need money and someone to be nice to her after being dealt a shitty hand in life's lottery. She appreciated that I changed my shirt before we met and that I was so gentle when I penetrated her tight ass. In her last message he called me a true gentleman that not only gave her financial help but also a true romantic man-woman experience. I can only imagine what kind of vodka gorillas pounded her little bum before me, if she had those compliments for me after my uncovered Andros session with her mouth, ass and pussy for two hours. I came in two of her three holes bareback and felt regrets for days after this, but time heals all worries and I just ordered 500 rapid STD test kits for me and my monger bros, so soon Barba can be up on the horse and do some more (relatively safe) bareback stunts. Asia in four weeks so those tests will be needed for sure.
Bbilly, wish I could catch up with you but I left the country (as I PM:ed you about) and do not plan to be back for at least 6-8 weeks. Take it easy and keep it sleazy!
B.
There is no fucking way getting my ass on a flight to Kiev to pay some out of town girl US$ 500 to spend a weekend with me.Your twisting my reply. Tuggen's lead went cold when he offered $500 for a weekend for a non local girl. I can see why. Seems to me this type of arrangement would be filled with land mines for the girl if she knows the monger only from internet contact and has to travel to him.
For the record, the only deal I would ever negotiate is one hour of service. I like to keep things simple. Also, if I'm in Kiev, I am going to search girls in Kiev territory and not monkey around with people outside the region. $500 equals 5 girls to me. Period
This question has been asked and answered many times before on this thread. It's obvious you need to read more of the thread going back at least a year. If you don't you will miss information and make mistakes that will cost you time and money. So do your homework before getting to Kiev. That's advice you can take to the bank.
The particular website you ask about, like just about all the Many escort websites for escorts in Kiev that you can easily find doing Google searches, is a "bait and switch" agency that uses fake pictures. That means the girl who will arrive at your apartment will not be the girl in the picture you saw, nor will she bear any resemblance to the girl in the picture you saw. Neither will she necessarily speak English despite what the phone person from the agency told you when you called and ordered her. The only thing that will be accurate is the price that want you to pay. It doesn't mean you can't use these agencies to get hookers to your apartment. All it means is your shopping starts when the girl shows up and you see what they are actually selling.
It is entirely a matter of random chance whether the girl that shows up will be good looking or will be a piglet. The agency will send you whoever they have available at the time of your call. Since the population pool in a place like Kiev contains a good percentage of young females who are skinny and good looking, you stand a statistically decent chance that a good looking girl might show up. But it is not guaranteed, and is the result of random chance of it happens. Thus like in any matter gambled on, you have to be ready for the result to be not what you want on each roll of the dice. If a girl not to your liking shows up, you should simply send her back and order another. You may choose to ask the agency to simply send you their three best available girls for you to choose from, as the larger number of girls increases the odds that a good looking girl may be among them. If you give taxi fare to each girl sent away, then the agency will usually continue to try to get a girl to you that you might accept. If you send girls away without taxi fare, then the agency will probably not continue to service you. If you want to use websites to get escorts to your apartment, that's the way to handle what they will throw at you. Just realize the photos mean nothing and it's a numbers game you will have to play until you get a decent looking girl. This process will of course consume and waste a lot of your time, or you may be lucky and a good enough looking girl will show up sooner. It's random chance. Some guys were very lucky and a very good looking girl showed up within a reasonable number of tries.
Although I tried the agency you asked about, and know that what I have explained to you is true from.
Personal experience, I have not tried the many very high priced escort websites for Kiev escorts. The market rate for an escort girl in Kiev is in the area of between 400 UAH ($50 USD) to 800 UAH ($100 USD). Those prices are generally recognized as acceptable and within the range of reasonable for escorts in Kiev. Prices much higher than that such as $150 or 150 Euro or 200 Euro that are asked on some escort websites are prices that are very high for Kiev and rip off prices. I never ordered a girl from such very high priced escort websites because of the prices which were too high, so I don't know if they also use fake pics or whether these very high priced escort websites are using true pictures. Even if the girls who showed up at your door from these high priced websites were actually the girl in the website photos, it wouldn't have mattered to me, because I did not want to be paying 200 Euro, or even 150 Euro, for only one hour in a place like Kiev, when I knew that I could get girls who looked as good as their photos for $100 / hour quite easily. So I never investigated the escort websites with prices like 150 Euro / hour and above. So I merely surmise that they too are using fake pictures, but don't know that from personal experience, although its a fairly good bet I am right.
There are several exceptions to the above, the first of which is gia-escort. Com which has been reported to be using true but photoshopped pictures on their website, but is too high priced compared to the proper market rates for escorting in Kiev of up to 800 UAH ($100 USD) for the first hour. Also the girls on their website aren't generally good looking enough to command premium prices, even if the rates come down to more reasonable hourly rates for a long term booking. So since better looking girls were available in Kiev for lower prices, I have never used Gia yet. But you will find reports back in the thread of members who did.
Another website which is an exception to the strictly fake picture website style, is top-modals. Com, which is a mixture of mostly fake ads from girl apartments and agencies, but some individual girls I have ordered from that site in 2010 did use their true pics. I haven't ordered girls from top-modals. Com more recently, so I don't know the current state of things, but it is sure a high percentage of the pics are fake, although some may be true.
The same can be said about the mamba. Ru website, insofar as the ads that were from girls who wrote on their profiles "offers sex for money" or "seeking a sponsor" or since the recent "clean up" of that website, using the euphemism of "looking for fun". However, the caveat about this is that mamba. Ru is also a social website with many real girls using it just like any other social website. So you have this combination of female users of the mamba. Ru website in Kiev of both real girls who are looking for normal dates, together with girls looking to receive money in exchange for their favors, and many escort agencies and girl apartments creating profiles for that purpose.
So It depends what you as the man are looking for. If you are looking for freebie sex and regular dating, you will want to identify the profiles of the real girls who are likely using true pictures, since at the first date one would see they lied with fake pics, and usually a normal date is preceded by exchange of further pics or skyping so the parties can see each other, do what's the point of using fake pics. And if you are a gentleman that doesn't want to waste time going on preliminary dates first, but rathet who is looking for p4p, I. E. For an escort to come to your apartment (pay for play) , then you will want to identify the profiles of those girls who are desirous of coming to your apartment to have sex with you for an agreed fee.
How to identify which profile is which on mamba. Ru, and who are the real girls looking for normal dates, and who are the prostitutes or semi-pros looking for money in exchange for sex, will require another post. Perhaps someone else will address that in more detail. All I will say here is that I send a nice initial message that is designed to allow the girl to say what she wants or intends, and is innocuous enough to not be offensive to any real girls who may receive it. Something like,"you are very pretty. I would love to meet you. If you are interested, please send me your phone number and your conditions." you can embellish that with words that show your own petsonal flair, but the gist of it is there.
You should know that since there are many girl apartments and escort agencies as well as individual girls looking for p4p customers on mamba. Ru and posting profiles for that purpose, that those p4p girls or agencies are mostly using fake pictures because they are using "bait and switch" tactics which rely on the man's libido and passions to take the girl anyway, even if when she shows up at his door, he sees that she is not the girl in the picture he expected. If the girl who actually shows up looks good enough, then usually the tactic works and the man keeps the girl for paid sex. The fact that her agency or she lied about her picture is irrelevant, because he was not seeking a girl with good moral character to date as in normal dating, but rather he was seeking simply attractive female companionship and a female body to enjoy sex with, so what difference does it make that they used a fake pic. One pretty girl for paid sex is interchangeable with another pretty girl for paid sex."Bait and switch" continues to exist because it continues to work. The problems only happen when the agency sends a girl who is far below the level of good looks of the girl in the picture ad, and too far below the customer's own tastes. So since, with respect to the mamba. Ru profiles that are from p4p girls or agencies seeking customers for paid sex, many of the pictures in the profiles are fakes, it is necessary to approach it in the same fashion as recommended above, which is to keep trying with girl after girl until someone pleasing shows up, and not be deterred by the fake pics since it is a numbers game.
All the foregoing is regards how to approach the Internet escort websites for Kiev. But you should know that a better and more fun way to seek p4p girls in Kiev at night, is to go to the nightclubs mentioned on this thread, where you can directly see the girls you want, and there is no mystery of waiting to see who shows up at your door and will she be pretty or not. You can go right after the prettiest girl in the club directly. In nightclubs too however, you will need to figure out which are the p4p girls who will have sex for money (referred to on this thread as pros and semi-pros) , and which are the normal girls out for fun. It is safest in my view to speak to all girls as if they were regular girls and eventually, when the moment seems ripe for it, indicate your interest in having "fun" with them in your apartment, and Don't mention money. Wait for them to raise the issue of money. That way you don't End up propositioning a regular girl for paid sex and get your face slapped. Any p4p girl will likely get straight to the point, anyways. And who knows, you may be getting lucky and getting freebie sex. So go with the flow.
There is also higher priced p4p available as "take out" from a number of strip clubs in Kiev, and the girls are gorgeous, but it is pricey. So if what attracted you to the website you initially asked about was the low prices per hour, then stick with those type of low priced websites, and send away girls that aren't satisfactory to you until something good shows up. Or Try out the girl apartments that taxi drivers may know the location of in the downtown area. Or try out the nightclubs where it has been reported by others on this thread that girls can be gotten at similar low prices of $100 / hr too.
Do your research and.
Good luck mongering.
LJThis is probably the best post I have seen other than what Barba writes as far as how to prepare for Kiev. I have been in Kiev for a few days now, and suffering as I didn't do any of what they suggested earlier, but in my prior research I found a couple of things that kinda discouraged me from trying in the first place. 1, The prices of $300+ USD. 2, I don't speak the language, and 3, I am African-American. I can honestly say though that the girls are gorgeous here, but if you are an "Assman" this place is sorely lacking in that department. Guys wanting I guess what society sees as model types, (I. E. Beautiful, skinny, tall, well-dressed) this is your place. All guys looking for all that plus the roundness & plumpness in the backside, keep on moving. I can admit though I am really enjoying myself as a "tourist" in the city, and it's not a hostile place for "fairer-skinned" people that I had initially been made to believe. The women here are very friendly towards me if I stop them to ask for directions to my destination, and a lot stare (politely) and smile I am sure due to mild curiosity. If anyone is interested in meeting up, I am here til Monday. Thank goodness the city has so far enough to keep myself and mind occupied, but looking at all these fine women is starting to wear me down, and create that itch. I am sure I will ply my hand eventually, but trying to tread softly before doing so.
Hey Bbilly and others.
I am now in Kiev, and if you would like to meet, I'm interested. I am going for a jog, but plan to try out obriens pub for lunch. I was at shato's brewery yesterday, a nice beer and food. It is also near the McDonalds you mentioned.
So if you would like to meet, send over another message, as PM doesn't work for me. It is 8:37 Kiev time, so I should be done running in a hour, and I will be at Obriens pub at 12-12:30. Tall white thin guy. 26.
PedroToronja
07-19-12, 09:14
This is probably the best post I have seen other than what Barba writes as far as how to prepare for Kiev. I have been in Kiev for a few days now, and suffering as I didn't do any of what they suggested earlier, but in my prior research I found a couple of things that kinda discouraged me from trying in the first place. 1, The prices of $300+ USD. 2, I don't speak the language, and 3, I am African-American. I can honestly say though that the girls are gorgeous here, but if you are an "Assman" this place is sorely lacking in that department. Guys wanting I guess what society sees as model types, (I. E. Beautiful, skinny, tall, well-dressed) this is your place. All guys looking for all that plus the roundness & plumpness in the backside, keep on moving. I can admit though I am really enjoying myself as a "tourist" in the city, and it's not a hostile place for "fairer-skinned" people that I had initially been made to believe. The women here are very friendly towards me if I stop them to ask for directions to my destination, and a lot stare (politely) and smile I am sure due to mild curiosity. If anyone is interested in meeting up, I am here til Monday. Thank goodness the city has so far enough to keep myself and mind occupied, but looking at all these fine women is starting to wear me down, and create that itch. I am sure I will ply my hand eventually, but trying to tread softly before doing so.I also agree that the report from LJ is just about right on. I did used Gia and the girls are at least 3 points below what the photos represent, due to heavy photoshopping, and way too expensive. I don't use them anymore. A girl that shows at your door, if you send her back gets 'punished' by her agency, so unless is blatantly a piglet or pushy, I do send them back with 50 hrivnas for the taxi. Gia had a young blonde called Yana who was really very good, but she is long gone from that agency. Modals are almost 80% fake pics, but they will deliver the services offered (you may need to insist and actually show the add to them, for instance, to get the butt). Through Mamba I met some girls that were not pros but in dire need of some Os, which I gave them. No money, but taxi fare, but it is a lottery. I agree, best is to go where you can see them and chose in person. Now that I know River Boat is open again, there is where I will go. I arrive tomorrow. For those in Kiev during the next few days, I will be glad to meet for coffee somewhere, preferable Volkonski at Premier Palace or Reprisa at Lev Tolstoi across from McDonalds.
Just want to add that for the most part, all the girls you will meet there are 'nice girls', they just need the money and opportunities for a good job are far an between. Exceptions are the cold bitches at expensive restaurants and bars, like Budda Bar.
PedroToronja
07-19-12, 09:21
Yea, had one Mamba P4P girl that was about to meet me at the airport in Kharkov, but my plane was messed up so we met in the park. We had a good time. She lied about her age. Babyface and nice blue eyes but her tits where floppy. Now she emails me a lot of rather sweet messages. Another desperate single mother that need money and someone to be nice to her after being dealt a shitty hand in life's lottery. She appreciated that I changed my shirt before we met and that I was so gentle when I penetrated her tight ass. In her last message he called me a true gentleman that not only gave her financial help but also a true romantic man-woman experience. I can only imagine what kind of vodka gorillas pounded her little bum before me, if she had those compliments for me after my uncovered Andros session with her mouth, ass and pussy for two hours. I came in two of her three holes bareback and felt regrets for days after this, but time heals all worries and I just ordered 500 rapid STD test kits for me and my monger bros, so soon Barba can be up on the horse and do some more (relatively safe) bareback stunts. Asia in four weeks so those tests will be needed for sure.
Bbilly, wish I could catch up with you but I left the country (as I PM:ed you about) and do not plan to be back for at least 6-8 weeks. Take it easy and keep it sleazy!
B.Barba,
Can you give us any hint of who that girl might be? For the description of her actions and attitude, she sounds quite close to my "gf". Please?
PedroToronja
07-19-12, 09:26
There is no logic in mongering.
A lot of non local girls haven't got a clue where to have a nice time in Kiev. They dream of a weekend in Kiev to go to restaurants, driven around in Taxis, clubbing etc. .
Only a girl can judge what is reasonable for her.
Girls in Kiev'e nightclubs have been spoilt by foreign guys who haven't got a clue.
US$100 an hour now gets you a lot of gems even in LONDON.
Have a look on.
www.adultwork.com
There is no fucking way getting my ass on a flight to Kiev to pay some out of town girl US$ 500 to spend a weekend with me.
Only yesterday I had a great time with a great tall Blonde girl who wouldn't be out of line in a fashion show. US$100 for non stop 1/2 hour of sex.
And this was in one of the most upmarket areas of London.
http://houseofdivine.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=473.
Parissa.
Don't spoil Ukraine village girls.
It will do them a lot of harm in the Future, making it too easy for them to make money.I did invite girls from out of town to Kiev and for the most part it worked just fine: from Odessa and from Lviv in my case. The only time I sent money for the ticket in advance, of course the girl never showed up. I had repeat visits from two girls that way, no pros but I always gave them some financial help, which was not asked. It does work, but you may want to ask for photos on specific postures (like holding a carrot, or shoe) and / or a conference on video on Skype, to make sure you are talking with the person you think she is. Again, it worked. If you don't like the girl (that happened too) , just paid them for the round trip ticket by train, is very cheap, and some additional for food.
PedroToronja
07-19-12, 09:35
Stop moaning.
The biggest turn off for girls here isn't your age, your clothes or whether you are in bad shape.
They don't like idiots that moan. Real men here do, losers complain.Two months ago was my last visit to Buddah Bar: they don't let anyone in without leather shoes, so the idea of guys in sneakers, etc. Sounds weird to me. The girls were FABULOUS but $300+. Sushi there is fantastic and so is the decor, ambiance and music. I like that place and will continue to go there.
CherchezFemme
07-19-12, 11:37
Arrived in Ukraine and girls are fantastic, absolutely fantastic!
Question for the vets.
I am in Odessa and now my non-mongering friends want p4p girls!
I did NO research before coming anx now am reduced to surfing the net on a phone with slow connection.
I apologize in advance but can someone recommend a good agency or private apartment in Odessa? Mu friends have money so even if it expensive as long as the girl is HOT.
I just don't have time and computer to go on Mamba
Serious question since I'm about to spend 6 days at the beach in Odessa.
1- When I go to the clubs in Arkadia district do I need to wear slacks, button-down shirt and stiff leather shoes to a club by the sea on a hot July night?
2- What about walking around town? Can I walk around a resort area in shorts and flip-flops or my Nike Air Max +?
Or will I just look like a clueless American?It's not hot in July. Not humid the the south in the US. Most people are in shorts, tank tops, flip flops, etc. Slacks are fine. First time here, I paid 250 UAH for a cab. In return to airport, I paid 100 UAH. Still high. I think the going rate maybe 65-75 UAH.
I see a few US sailors here.
. Tuggen's lead went cold when he offered $500 for a weekend for a non local girl. I can see why. Seems to me this type of arrangement would be filled with land mines for the girl if she knows the monger only from internet contact and has to travel to him.If she went cold when tuggen offered her US$ 500 for the weekend, then she is a real Pro.
Donetsk girl who came down to see me in Kiev wouldn't even discuss money matters with me first.
We exchanged PMS for about 6 weeks, and she talked to a friend of mine who spoke Russian to get an idea about me.
When she did turn up early morning the first thing she wanted to do was to drink a double Brandy and coke. She said this was because she was very pleasantly surprised meeting me in person. I didn't send her any photos first.
I asked her what she would have done if she didn't like what she saw.
She simply said " I would have just got back on the Train and put it down to experience ". .
Was she lying? Or did she make prior arrangements with her friends in Kiev to stay with them.
This was her problem not mine.
In fact at one time I thought may be she is lying and in fact she was living in Kiev.
But she suggested that I travel to Donetsk to meet her.
Got info from members here on the cost of a return train journey Donetsk To Kiev, and it wasn't that much.
So I told her to get on the train and meet me in Kiev instead.
Yes the type of arrangement is full of Land mines and not just for the girl. What if I didn't like what I saw, when I met her/
I can't just give her some money and send her back, when she spent nearly 12 hours on the train to meet me.
Playing it safe I booked another room for her in my hotel. I don't like to share my bed and like my own space.
Personally I wouldn't do it again. Too much of a responsibilty and time consuming, although I did get good returns on my initial investment in her.
I also agree that the report from LJ is just about right on. I did used Gia and the girls are at least 3 points below what the photos represent, due to heavy photoshopping, and way too expensive. I don't use them anymore. A girl that shows at your door, if you send her back gets 'punished' by her agency, so unless is blatantly a piglet or pushy, I do send them back with 50 hrivnas for the taxi. Gia had a young blonde called Yana who was really very good, but she is long gone from that agency. Modals are almost 80% fake pics, but they will deliver the services offered (you may need to insist and actually show the add to them, for instance, to get the butt). Through Mamba I met some girls that were not pros but in dire need of some Os, which I gave them. No money, but taxi fare, but it is a lottery. I agree, best is to go where you can see them and chose in person. Now that I know River Boat is open again, there is where I will go. I arrive tomorrow. For those in Kiev during the next few days, I will be glad to meet for coffee somewhere, preferable Volkonski at Premier Palace or Reprisa at Lev Tolstoi across from McDonalds.
Just want to add that for the most part, all the girls you will meet there are 'nice girls', they just need the money and opportunities for a good job are far an between. Exceptions are the cold bitches at expensive restaurants and bars, like Budda Bar.PT, when you get settled in and ready to move about let me know. You don't have pm, so let me know how I can contact you or a place to meet up. I am supposed to go on another tour I believe outside the city in the morning, and should be back for salsa dancing at some park I was told about where they will be having it in the evening. If tomorrow doesn't work, maybe Saturday sometime. Well anyway let me know.
If she went cold when tuggen offered her US$ 500 for the weekend, then she is a real Pro.
Donetsk girl who came down to see me in Kiev wouldn't even discuss money matters with me first.
We exchanged PMS for about 6 weeks, and she talked to a friend of mine who spoke Russian to get an idea about me.
When she did turn up early morning the first thing she wanted to do was to drink a double Brandy and coke. She said this was because she was very pleasantly surprised meeting me in person. I didn't send her any photos first.
I asked her what she would have done if she didn't like what she saw.
She simply said " I would have just got back on the Train and put it down to experience ". .
Was she lying? Or did she make prior arrangements with her friends in Kiev to stay with them.
This was her problem not mine.
In fact at one time I thought may be she is lying and in fact she was living in Kiev.
But she suggested that I travel to Donetsk to meet her.
Got info from members here on the cost of a return train journey Donetsk To Kiev, and it wasn't that much.
So I told her to get on the train and meet me in Kiev instead.
Yes the type of arrangement is full of Land mines and not just for the girl. What if I didn't like what I saw, when I met her/
I can't just give her some money and send her back, when she spent nearly 12 hours on the train to meet me.
Playing it safe I booked another room for her in my hotel. I don't like to share my bed and like my own space.
Personally I wouldn't do it again. Too much of a responsibilty and time consuming, although I did get good returns on my initial investment in her.And where were you master monger when LJ pulled the wool over almost everyone's eyes with his $300 girls?
Hey Bbilly and others.
I am now in Kiev, and if you would like to meet, I'm interested. I am going for a jog, but plan to try out obriens pub for lunch. I was at shato's brewery yesterday, a nice beer and food. It is also near the McDonalds you mentioned.
So if you would like to meet, send over another message, as PM doesn't work for me. It is 8:37 Kiev time, so I should be done running in a hour, and I will be at Obriens pub at 12-12:30. Tall white thin guy. 26.Will you be here tomorrow? Friday? I got this late but if you can lets meet at 1015 at the McDonalds tonight, thurs, but if not, Friday lets meet at 1015pm there instead.
Very few pro cent of people in Ukraine and Kiev make so much as 500USD per moth salary. Few dievs that are friends of my, tell me a lot about situation and how real life in Kiev is. 500 USD for province girl is huge!A University professor in Ukraine is happy if he earns 2000 Ghrivna per month. The only way he can survive is by taking bribes for anything (selling good grades in exams etc.). That's the way this country works.
And where were you master monger when LJ pulled the wool over almost everyone's eyes with his $300 girls?.
CN. Now you are making me blush, calling me Master Monger. #
I am still learning the ropes of mongering even in Kiev.
I think I was in town before LJ started reporting from KIEV.
LJ got his favorites and I have mine. What he reports doesn't bother me in the least.
Like I said I wouldn't pay US$300 for a one session in KIEV. Rio or No Rio.
Donetsk girl was just a one off experience that I won't repeat again. Importing a girl to Kiev.
Now. Are you happy in your WINDY CITY?
Member #4491
07-20-12, 01:05
Barba,
Can you give us any hint of who that girl might be? For the description of her actions and attitude, she sounds quite close to my "gf". Please?She is in Kharkov, as I wrote. On her profile on Flirt the name starts with Mi. Her real name Liza (short version). Clear blue eyes, baby face and a body that shows evidence of a child. Submissive and eager to please. Decent massage. Pedro, PM me if you want to URL to her profile on Flirt / Mamba.
B.
And where were you master monger when LJ pulled the wool over almost everyone's eyes with his $300 girls?My guess is too busy laughing at the rubbish posted.
Really, all the info is here. A good shortcut to the info is reading the reports of distinction going back a few years. Would take less time and provide more advice.
Now that I know River Boat is open again, there is where I will go.I hate to be the one to end your fantasy, as well as that of others, but River Palace has NOT returned.
Just think about it for a moment.
If RP did come back, don't you think that this thread's postings would now be filled with posts celebrating and writing in depth about the event?
There are too many of you who are willing to believe anything, take for example any of LJ's posts.
My guess is too busy laughing at the rubbish posted.
Really, all the info is here. A good shortcut to the info is reading the reports of distinction going back a few years. Would take less time and provide more advice.Yes, you really got to laugh at some of the Rubbish Posted, including "The Re opening of River Palace ".
And where were you master monger when LJ pulled the wool over almost everyone's eyes with his $300 girls?" There is also higher priced p4p available as "take out" from a number of strip clubs in Kiev, and the girls are gorgeous, but it is pricey". Post 10557.
The above is where a lot of mongers find it "Contentious " in Liljoey's reports, including his latest detailed one.
Are the strip girls availabe for take out from RIO Club "Gorgeous " or "Average ".
Like I said time and time again, even in my first post about KIEV, and on a well known UK forum paying US$ 300 for one girl in one session 1 or 3 hours defeats the whole object for me travelling to Kiev from London, even if the girl is "Gorgeous ".
I can afford to pay US$ 300, but I won't pay it for sex in KIEV.
But you write in your post number (10558)" And most of us are in agreement that half this price (US$100) is normal with independents ".
Going by your price scale, then if LJ's Stripper from Rio stays for 3 hours, then he is only paying "Normal Price with independents ".
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For me there was " No wool to be pulled over my eye ".
That said even without all the sex in KIEv, I would still travel there with the exchange rate for £and US$ as it is and Wizzair from London.
Next time I might take my BI Wingwoman with me.
Yes, I tend to do KIEV my way in a lot of ways. .
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I hate to be the one to end your fantasy, as well as that of others, but River Palace has NOT returned.
Just think about it for a moment.
If RP did come back, don't you think that this thread's postings would now be filled with posts celebrating and writing in depth about the event?
There are too many of you who are willing to believe anything, take for example any of LJ's posts.UKe Boy. You are replying to (Pedro Toronga) who was in KIEv about 2 months ago, going by his posts. .
And he did say that he has been there few times siince River Palace closed.
I am surprised that he didn't find out that River Palace has not returned.
My friend had to leave so I'm went alone in Kiev. Decide to try findin 2 girl that also would do each other. This just seem impossible. Offered 2 girls without lesbi for 300$, no point then with 2. 2 outdated hotelchicks offered them both for 600$ as I tink must be 3 times price for them. This showed out to be really difficult. Wonder if Rio girl do lesbian but guess that would be expensive.
I did invite girls from out of town to Kiev and for the most part it worked just fine: from Odessa and from Lviv in my case. The only time I sent money for the ticket in advance, of course the girl never showed up. I had repeat visits from two girls that way, no pros but I always gave them some financial help, which was not asked. It does work, but you may want to ask for photos on specific postures (like holding a carrot, or shoe) and / or a conference on video on Skype, to make sure you are talking with the person you think she is. Again, it worked. If you don't like the girl (that happened too) , just paid them for the round trip ticket by train, is very cheap, and some additional for food.Pedro. Now I know Train tickets and buses are cheap in Ukraine.
You say you paid "additional for food ". Would you care to elaborate?
How much, equivalent to the amount of Food Stamp money some receive in the US.
That will few hundreds US$?
BTW, I am not into freebies, nor do I have the time to engage in conferences on video or skype. I like to know before hand how much its going to cost me.
I think you are talking about a different breed of girls that I go for.
My Donetsk Girl first time experience was a one off thing.
She just got me puzzled. A girl in her 20's willing to meet a man in his 40's that she never met before.
It took her some time though to make up her mind before she got on the train.
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But you write in your post number (10558)" And most of us are in agreement that half this price (US$100) is normal with independents ".
Going by your price scale, then if LJ's Stripper from Rio stays for 3 hours, then he is only paying "Normal Price with independents ".No! Big difference between three hours of wee hour sex and one hour of normal day time sex. That reasoning of breaking his sex down to $100 an hour should have been red flagged.
No! Big difference between three hours of wee hour sex and one hour of normal day time sex. That reasoning of breaking his sex down to $100 an hour should have been red flagged..
The jury will be out forever on that one. How does one verify what goes on in the sack? . His word of good sex + bbj etc with Rio girls, against yours& others.
TBH, I couldn'are care less, nor does it interest me at US$300.
CN. Don't laugh, I might be "Master Monger " LOL, but a fucking technophobic.
Haven't got a clue how to do multi quoting on here. If you have the time, I would appreciate it if you could guide me in few simple steps.
I think you have a bit of time on your hands, considering there is sweet Fuck all to do mongering wise in "The Windy City ".
I promise in return to share with you what info I have about mongering in London, if you are interested.
Will you be here tomorrow? Friday? I got this late but if you can lets meet at 1015 at the McDonalds tonight, thurs, but if not, Friday lets meet at 1015pm there instead.Why Mc Donals, is a good place to pick up Non Pros? Student type. I recent trips to Kev I learned from local girls too much police control in city center, is this updated information? I like city center but is really big; therefore information about the current best place to meet Non Prop during the day is welcome. Thanks
Slimmest Shady
07-21-12, 04:55
Why Mc Donals, is a good place to pick up Non Pros? Student type. I recent trips to Kev I learned from local girls too much police control in city center, is this updated information? I like city center but is really big; therefore information about the current best place to meet Non Prop during the day is welcome. ThanksYes. This type of information may prove helpful for those that may be traveling there in the next few days. Not that I'm mentioning any names.
Sure would like to pick up more than a Big Mac.
Guys, been slowly reading through all the great reports all you lads have put up. Top class stuff, expecially interesting was the advise from latexian and barba. I like the approach where you go to the provinces, meet the girls and later set up a meeting in Kiev or elsewhere.
Well, my own introduction to ukranian girls was a litle different. I met a girl online on a dating website. She was from Donetsk. We talked a bit and we really hit it off. She told me she was going to have her holidays and wanted to meet up. I was fine with that but I told her I wasn't sure about travelling to Donetsk. I had never been to ukraine and I wasn't sure if the girl was going to pan out so I proposed meeting in Bangkok instead. She agreed and thus ensued an awesome five day holiday of great sex and fun companionship. I was hooked;
So I've been to ukraine twice since than. Always meet her for a couple of days and try to monger the other. I'm flying in on the 28th and heading straight to Vinnitsa. Have two girls lined up there, they seem to be into me but we'll have to see how things pan out. I am a little worried. The last time I was in donetsk and even with my girl I was bored to death in that town; Kiev is much better. Honestly.
So after vinnitsa, I head in to Kiev and would love to go hunting with anyone else who need a wingman. Seriously, its nice to be able to speak in english once in a while.
CherchezFemme
07-21-12, 11:45
My friends and I are quite confused by what we have seen so far in Ukraine. When I am at a computer I will write some experiences.
In the meantime I am supposed to see a beautiful blonde with large breasts. 1.8 m tall, tonite. She is half my age. I have no idea of I have a legit chance with her. I don't know if she wants me to pay for her friends to go into Ibiza.
Ukraine is a very interesting place even though we are confused as hell as to how things work. I would like to have sex with this girl and am willing to pay but she has never suggested it so I won't either. But if this is a glimpse of what it is possible for life to be like here I need to reassess all my priorities in life. Which is actually intimidating because it means my paradigm has shifted, my whole world view, what I thought to be true, must now be reexamined. Philosophical, I know
Why Mc Donals, is a good place to pick up Non Pros? Student type. I recent trips to Kev I learned from local girls too much police control in city center, is this updated information? I like city center but is really big; therefore information about the current best place to meet Non Prop during the day is welcome. Thanks.
It would be a better idea for you and others looking for Non pros to briefly introduce yourselves in few words on this thread, like age, looks, color, preferences, languages spoken, sense of Humor (Yeah that's important even in Kiev) , what are you looking for in non pros. .
Then members who know Kiev well can direct you to the right venues.
An Old, Bald, Beer Bellied, Fat prick is bot going to find himself in candy land for Non pros, let alone Student Type even in Kiev.
Member #4491
07-21-12, 15:13
Why Mc Donals, is a good place to pick up Non Pros? Student type. I recent trips to Kev I learned from local girls too much police control in city center, is this updated information? I like city center but is really big; therefore information about the current best place to meet Non Prop during the day is welcome. ThanksI was sitting at McD for 30 minutes a couple of weeks ago on a Saturday, and I would choose the waterfall at the Mother of Ukraine-monument instead. Many pretty girls, bot locals and hillbillies. I was for example eyed up by two gorgeous young girls and should cut of a finger Yakuza style for not taking a chance to talk to them and get numbers. One of them was a solid 9. 482 on the normalized RIO monger rating scale and probably just turned legal. Amazing ass in her black little dress. I watch them slowly stroll away, casting the occasional eye on me, and then my business appointment turned up and ruined my day dreaming. But business goes before hoes, if they can not be combined. I am in a square business area but in Asia we sometimes close deals in strip clubs, with a teenager in the lap. Was taken to a strip club in Kharkov last visit, so maybe this is custom also in Ukraine if you find the correct partners.
The cops in city center will not bother you for just talking to females, at least not during day time.
B.
Member #4491
07-21-12, 15:35
Ukraine is a very interesting place even though we are confused as hell as to how things work. I would like to have sex with this girl and am willing to pay but she has never suggested it so I won't either.It was enlightening for me to watch the local guys in normal discos. They literally pull the girls off the stage. I have seen this several times, and it was done for me a few times when I said I like a girl to any of my local buddies."Oh so you like her?" they said and ripped her off stage for me. This was normal girls, out dancing and I was surprised that they just laughed and felt uncomfortable instead of kicking the monkey in the balls, like they would at home. As soon as I fall into the pattern of qualifying for the girl, I fail. And when I stop to give a fuck about impressing European style, I get what I want pretty soon. With pure P4P it is easier to be polished since they have a sensor scanning for rough and rude behavior all the time, but with regular pick ups I find Ukraine to require some traditional male "determination". We have been over it before, but worth to repeat since the scars from being raised in a country ruled by females and the punai, takes decades to train away and replace. Better to think what you want, than to think about what she wants.
If P4P has not been on the table yet, I would get her a bit tipsy and then just move over and start to kiss her and feel her up. If she backs out here and starts to complain about "no sex on the first date", I would just go to a club and dump here and see if she is ready in a couple of days. If she goes with you home, perhaps via a dance floor, I would give her 100 USD the next day for taxi. After this you have established a norm for your meetings.
In many species the male dances for the female, not because the male likes it but to gain access to that sweet honey cave. So even if I like dancing sometimes and will dance just for my own amusement, I also consider it a primary tool in the courting ritual. I know, Barba is sounding really anal now, but you know what I mean.
"Man must dance"
LPCI.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yojhrF04QA&feature=related
PedroToronja
07-21-12, 20:19
UKe Boy. You are replying to (Pedro Toronga) who was in KIEv about 2 months ago, going by his posts. .
And he did say that he has been there few times siince River Palace closed.
I am surprised that he didn't find out that River Palace has not returned.So, is River Palace open again, or not? I will go check tomorrow Sunday.
Also, about 'extra money for food' is no money given to them, but I spend it with them as we eat together. Bringing girls from other cities has worked very well for me, but your experience may vary.
My friends and I are quite confused by what we have seen so far in Ukraine. When I am at a computer I will write some experiences.
In the meantime I am supposed to see a beautiful blonde with large breasts. 1.8 m tall, tonite. She is half my age. I have no idea of I have a legit chance with her. I don't know if she wants me to pay for her friends to go into Ibiza.
Ukraine is a very interesting place even though we are confused as hell as to how things work. I would like to have sex with this girl and am willing to pay but she has never suggested it so I won't either. But if this is a glimpse of what it is possible for life to be like here I need to reassess all my priorities in life. Which is actually intimidating because it means my paradigm has shifted, my whole world view, what I thought to be true, must now be reexamined. Philosophical, I knowI have noticed that with ukranian girls, especially in the dating game, if they are really into you odds are you are going to get laid by the latest second or third date. Any longer and it usually means she isn't all into you and is considering her options. That just means lots of dates and wasted money with no action. Honestly, if an ukranian lady likes you, she will make sure you know in every way possible!
As soon as I fall into the pattern of qualifying for the girl, I fail. And when I stop to give a fuck about impressing European style, I get what I want pretty soon.Perfect! Now you get how it works here.
Put a girl here on a pedestal and go home alone. Tell her there are millions of beautiful girls in Ukraine but you haven't yet chosen the lucky one and you'll get a result.
It's easy when you know how. Things to avoid:-
"My friend likes you"."You can sleep at my place, I have a spare bed".
If you see a girl you like and she gives you a nice look back. Go in. Make sure all other girls are now invisible to you. Focus. Be strong but not physical. If she has annoying friend with her barking in your ear. Ask " why is your friend talking to me? I'm only interested in you". It works.
If you take a girl to dinner, she'll ask what you like in women. Now's your chance to tell her exactly what you expect and want. No hints, no bashful rubbish.
So, is River Palace open again, or not? I will go check tomorrow Sunday.Why leave it till Tomorrow Sunday?
Also, about 'extra money for food' is no money given to them, but I spend it with them as we eat together. Bringing girls from other cities has worked very well for me, but your experience may vary.You don't need to give us your CV here, but to get an idea how you do " Bring Girls from Other Cities for free ", can you briefly give us an idea about yourself, like age group, color, looks, languages spoken etc.
And secondly, what age group are these girls, are they as hot as the p4p Girls in Kiev that charge to Shag them.
Then we know what you are talking about.
Perfect! Now you get how it works here.
Put a girl here on a pedestal and go home alone. Tell her there are millions of beautiful girls in Ukraine but you haven't yet chosen the lucky one and you'll get a result.
"My friend likes you"."You can sleep at my place, I have a spare bed".I was thinking of doing this line on them next time in Kiev.
"I Have Vays Of Making you Kom" I might even dress up in a certain uniform for the part.
Forceful but in a nice way.
And unless the girls are "Aunties " they won't be offended by the "Old Line "
No! Big difference between three hours of wee hour sex and one hour of normal day time sex. That reasoning of breaking his sex down to $100 an hour should have been red flagged.Going by your reasoning, I don't find it very convencing in the context of (Sex and Price paid in Kiev). Then everyone wasn't getting Value For Money and ripped off in the days of River Palace, when prices quoted were in the range of US$200 to US$300 for few hours.
Now a lot of mongers are bemoaning its disappearnce.
And what time did you think the girls were getting Shagged, if not in the "wee hours ".
Pros and semi Pros from normal clubs like D'Luxe Arena, you don't get to shag them till the "wee hours " and in the same price range.
That said, I don't do "wee hours sex ", but happy hours sex early evening, because of cheaper prices.
Hi,
I am coming to Luhansk as a student for preparatory course for Ukranian language, any guidance to become expert mongering, I will be in apartment.
PedroToronja
07-22-12, 14:15
PT, when you get settled in and ready to move about let me know. You don't have pm, so let me know how I can contact you or a place to meet up. I am supposed to go on another tour I believe outside the city in the morning, and should be back for salsa dancing at some park I was told about where they will be having it in the evening. If tomorrow doesn't work, maybe Saturday sometime. Well anyway let me know.Today I can meet at any time anywhere near Maidan or Friday's (Krechiatik area) , or Repriza by Lev Tolstoi.
I have noticed that with ukranian girls, especially in the dating game, if they are really into you odds are you are going to get laid by the latest second or third date. Any longer and it usually means she isn't all into you and is considering her options. That just means lots of dates and wasted money with no action. Honestly, if an ukranian lady likes you, she will make sure you know in every way possible!Could you please not rehash my material. I just posted this less than a week ago in the Russian thread.
Things to avoid:-
"My friend likes you"."You can sleep at my place, I have a spare bed".They are things NOT to say.
Try these:-
Are you a good kisser?
I don't like to sleep alone.
I have noticed that with ukranian girls, especially in the dating game, if they are really into you odds are you are going to get laid by the latest second or third date. Any longer and it usually means she isn't all into you and is considering her options. That just means lots of dates and wasted money with no action. Honestly, if an ukranian lady likes you, she will make sure you know in every way possible!Not on the 1st date? It's your only date!
The odds of getting laid reduce on each date that you don't close the deal. By the 4th date she'll be inviting all her friends for a free dinner.
Remember that the girls knows you could get laid for less than the price of her dinner.
Could you please not rehash my material. I just posted this less than a week ago in the Russian thread.Never been in that thread bud. Myhonest thoughts on the whole scene bases on my limited experiences. Probably just a similarity in thoughts. I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few of us had similar experiences.
Cheers
Not on the 1st date? It's your only date!
The odds of getting laid reduce on each date that you don't close the deal. By the 4th date she'll be inviting all her friends for a free dinner.
Remember that the girls knows you could get laid for less than the price of her dinner.I've only ever been laid the first date once, a couple of times on the second. You know, just reading about all the experiences you guys have had and your approach to EE girls, I think I might have been doing it wrong. I treat them like I would a girl back home with all the dating, wining, dining and dancing stuff. Well, this trip, I'm going to try what you lads are advocating.
Member #4491
07-22-12, 22:55
Yes, IrishLad, little by little I am learning also how this place works.
I realized and fully understood to not try to qualify European style for females outside Europe some years ago, but Ukraine is a new level, if compared to for example naive Asia or romantic South America. A woman likes a man who knows what he wants everywhere, not only in enslaved poor Russian backwaters, but the pattern for qualifying (yes we are actually still qualifying, but just in another way) are more macho here. Determination is the name of the game. A bit like an old cinema male hero stereotype, that enters the stage in his latest designer rags, and picks his dumb ass trophy female with some one liners. The trophy hoe is basically looking for very simple and blunt evidence that this gorilla is a winner. Display these, and you are qualified to shoot your cum in her. I am sure this sounds a bit unsophisticated to some members here, and I can assure you that it is. If you can control your trained impulses to treat the female as an equal, and avoid to try to impress her by being polite, civil and intellectual, It is a simple theater where the man just have to tilt towards old fashioned male domination, with a few sprinkles of tasteless and tacky display of wealth. If you are not rich, just pretend like it. They are desperate to try to find evidence for you being the exit from the sh*t hand they where dealt. Act like this "winner" and you are home safe. When in confusion you backtrack towards the neanderthals and you will find it in you, I am sure. We sometimes makes things harder than it is, just because we want to see things that are not there. At the end of the day a blind retard can find a woman in Ukraine. To have two or three a day requires more skills, time and money, but it is still a country and people that is continuing the tradition of being assf*cked over and over by anyone that has some resources. I wonder if things would change if people stopped drinking from noon and onward.
And then there is of course the girls that are just girls, and that you can just be yourself with. Laugh, talk and play between the sex. Julia, my dear.
B.
I am sure this sounds a bit unsophisticated to some members here, and I can assure you that it is. If you can control your trained impulses to treat the female as an equal, and avoid to try to impress her by being polite, civil and intellectual, It is a simple theater where the man just have to tilt towards old fashioned male domination+1. With a slavic girl you NEED to be manly, direct and uncompromising That said, you ALSO need empathy, sentimentality and sensitivity at the right moments. Slavic women are very emotional and passionate. Don't ignore these aspects. What works the best is being able to switch from bad boy to sentimental guy and vice-versa.
You also need witt and intelligence. They are (especially Russians, who are IMO smarter and more witty than Ukrainians) usually great conversationalists, and being able to talk to a guy is important to them.
Guys, been slowly reading through all the great reports all you lads have put up. Top class stuff, expecially interesting was the advise from latexian and barba. I like the approach where you go to the provinces, meet the girls and later set up a meeting in Kiev or elsewhere.
Well, my own introduction to ukranian girls was a litle different. I met a girl online on a dating website. She was from Donetsk. We talked a bit and we really hit it off. She told me she was going to have her holidays and wanted to meet up. I was fine with that but I told her I wasn't sure about travelling to Donetsk. I had never been to ukraine and I wasn't sure if the girl was going to pan out so I proposed meeting in Bangkok instead. She agreed and thus ensued an awesome five day holiday of great sex and fun companionship. I was hooked;
So I've been to ukraine twice since than. Always meet her for a couple of days and try to monger the other. I'm flying in on the 28th and heading straight to Vinnitsa. Have two girls lined up there, they seem to be into me but we'll have to see how things pan out. I am a little worried. The last time I was in donetsk and even with my girl I was bored to death in that town; Kiev is much better. Honestly.
So after vinnitsa, I head in to Kiev and would love to go hunting with anyone else who need a wingman. Seriously, its nice to be able to speak in english once in a while.What dating site would that be. I see so many spam mails and adverts that it would be difficult to find a genuine site. It was a fantastic idea you had and neutral territory is always a good choice. I would love to do the same and it would save a visa hassle and a flight to Europe for me. I lived for a while in Latvia, many beauitiful women there so I can only imagine what the Ukraine has to offer. I really should try to get over there.
PedroToronja
07-23-12, 16:40
You don't need to give us your CV here, but to get an idea how you do " Bring Girls from Other Cities for free ", can you briefly give us an idea about yourself, like age group, color, looks, languages spoken etc.
And secondly, what age group are these girls, are they as hot as the p4p Girls in Kiev that charge to Shag them.
Then we know what you are talking about.62, white, English only, not fat, not tall, have full hair head, I have money but not millonaire.
Girls were all from Mamba and SeekingArrangement They are 'civilians', not pros.
PedroToronja
07-23-12, 16:43
You don't need to give us your CV here, but to get an idea how you do " Bring Girls from Other Cities for free ", can you briefly give us an idea about yourself, like age group, color, looks, languages spoken etc.
And secondly, what age group are these girls, are they as hot as the p4p Girls in Kiev that charge to Shag them.
Then we know what you are talking about.Girls 21 to 27, 7 to 9. Very hot with the added benefit of not being cold bitches.
I was sitting at McD for 30 minutes a couple of weeks ago on a Saturday, and I would choose the waterfall at the Mother of Ukraine-monument instead. Many pretty girls, bot locals and hillbillies. I was for example eyed up by two gorgeous young girls and should cut of a finger Yakuza style for not taking a chance to talk to them and get numbers. One of them was a solid 9. 482 on the normalized RIO monger rating scale and probably just turned legal. Amazing ass in her black little dress. I watch them slowly stroll away, casting the occasional eye on me, and then my business appointment turned up and ruined my day dreaming. But business goes before hoes, if they can not be combined. I am in a square business area but in Asia we sometimes close deals in strip clubs, with a teenager in the lap. Was taken to a strip club in Kharkov last visit, so maybe this is custom also in Ukraine if you find the correct partners.
The cops in city center will not bother you for just talking to females, at least not during day time.
B.Dear Barba, thanks for your information. Duly noted Mc Donalds is today (maybe due to Summer time) not the best place. I will try this water fall or maybe some shopping centers too. Thanks again
What dating site would that be. I see so many spam mails and adverts that it would be difficult to find a genuine site. It was a fantastic idea you had and neutral territory is always a good choice. I would love to do the same and it would save a visa hassle and a flight to Europe for me. I lived for a while in Latvia, many beauitiful women there so I can only imagine what the Ukraine has to offer. I really should try to get over there.Bride-ru worked for me that time. But I think I just got lucky. I've never been able to get any other girl to meet me abroad since. Or maybe I've gotten impatient and I just go over if I'm in the region. You are right, lots of girls in the dating sites who are just after someone willing to send them free money. The best opportunities I have had are with girls from the smaller towns. The rub here being you might end up having to go to a one horse town to see her. So now, I actually do a bit of research on the town before trying to communicate with the girls there.
I hear many good things about Latvia too. I should haul ass there at some point.
PedroToronja
07-23-12, 20:43
+1. With a slavic girl you NEED to be manly, direct and uncompromising That said, you ALSO need empathy, sentimentality and sensitivity at the right moments. Slavic women are very emotional and passionate. Don't ignore these aspects. What works the best is being able to switch from bad boy to sentimental guy and vice-versa.
You also need witt and intelligence. They are (especially Russians, who are IMO smarter and more witty than Ukrainians) usually great conversationalists, and being able to talk to a guy is important to them.Russians and neighboring people elect Putin: a mafioso, murderer but STRONG man. And they vote for him. These people learnt to admire (love?) what they perceive to be a strong man, not necessarily a romantic, smart, intelligent, etc. Guy. Yes, money is their passport out of the shitty hand they were dealt. Also, Ukrainian women by in large are really great people and excellent company in bed and otherwise. As far as even working girls are concerned, these are the best ever, anywhere, and trust me. I know, I have been mongering for 45 years in more places I can remember. In my next life, my wife will be Ukrainian! Most likely I rot in hell, but just in case.
Tomorrow Tuesday anyone for a coffee at Premier Palace lobby bar? Any time before my dinner date at 7 PM. Prey for me that I get lucky! This is an 18 years old absolute beauty, not a pro at all, so my chances are close to 1.
Oh, they tell me that actual real model agencies here will send you models rated 10 to entertain you (they can say no after they meet you / before you pay). The cost is about 1K for the night. I often see girls in Kiev that are worth that much. Of course, they don't see me.
I may try the model agency stunt, if I do I will report here.
JerseyGuy123
07-24-12, 06:33
Russians and neighboring people elect Putin: a mafioso, murderer but STRONG man. And they vote for him. These people learnt to admire (love?) what they perceive to be a strong man, not necessarily a romantic, smart, intelligent, etc. Guy. Yes, money is their passport out of the shitty hand they were dealt. Also, Ukrainian women by in large are really great people and excellent company in bed and otherwise. As far as even working girls are concerned, these are the best ever, anywhere, and trust me. I know, I have been mongering for 45 years in more places I can remember. In my next life, my wife will be Ukrainian! Most likely I rot in hell, but just in case.
Tomorrow Tuesday anyone for a coffee at Premier Palace lobby bar? Any time before my dinner date at 7 PM. Prey for me that I get lucky! This is an 18 years old absolute beauty, not a pro at all, so my chances are close to 1.
Oh, they tell me that actual real model agencies here will send you models rated 10 to entertain you (they can say no after they meet you / before you pay). The cost is about 1K for the night. I often see girls in Kiev that are worth that much. Of course, they don't see me.
I may try the model agency stunt, if I do I will report here.Pedro,
Can you provide some more detail regarding this 18yr old hottie you have date with at 7pm. Where did you meet her and how were you able to get a date with beautiful young girl at your age.
Jerseyguy
Russians and neighboring people elect Putin: a mafioso, murderer but STRONG man. And they vote for him. These people learnt to admire (love?) what they perceive to be a strong man, not necessarily a romantic, smart, intelligent, etc. Guy. Yes, money is their passport out of the shitty hand they were dealt. Also, Ukrainian women by in large are really great people and excellent company in bed and otherwise. As far as even working girls are concerned, these are the best ever, anywhere, and trust me. I know, I have been mongering for 45 years in more places I can remember. In my next life, my wife will be Ukrainian! Most likely I rot in hell, but just in case.
Tomorrow Tuesday anyone for a coffee at Premier Palace lobby bar? Any time before my dinner date at 7 PM. Prey for me that I get lucky! This is an 18 years old absolute beauty, not a pro at all, so my chances are close to 1.
Oh, they tell me that actual real model agencies here will send you models rated 10 to entertain you (they can say no after they meet you / before you pay). The cost is about 1K for the night. I often see girls in Kiev that are worth that much. Of course, they don't see me.
I may try the model agency stunt, if I do I will report here.PT,
A good point but you will note that the opposition to the guy is growing now in Russia. Maybe the younger generation thinks differently. Maybe his support base is in the provinces. Russia is changing. I prefer ukraine myself.
Mongering for 45 years! Damn thats more years than I've been on this earth; Actually, I was seriously wondering how some of you guys have so much time to do all that you have done. Some of the reports from a couple of you could pass as a doctoral thesis on how to get some punani! Very obviously a lot of time and effort have gone into them. It's almost a " how to guide " in picking up ukranian women.
Why next life, why not a ukranian wife now? I'm sure you could if you wanted to?
I will buy you a beer if you are in Kiev when I'm there next week. Would be an aboslute pleasure to exchange some stories;
. These people learnt to admire (love?) what they perceive to be a strong man, not necessarily a romantic, smart, intelligent, etc. Guy.This part I definitely do not really agree with. Adopting some of the local playing rules is definitely great for your game. But don't try to become a Slavic. They are their own worst enemy when it comes to women sometimes.
Besides that, pretending to be a Slavic is still pretending. I am manly, direct and often uncompromising with my dyevs, BUT I can't prevent to let emerge my "western" qualities, which are humour, empathy, culture, and sentimentality and sensitivity at the right moments.
Poker Player 2
07-24-12, 08:03
Pedro,
I would like to meet you at the palace for coffee today to discuss topics of mutual interest (!) but I can not PM you as you do not appear to be a senior member for some reason.
Poker Player 2
07-24-12, 08:38
I am writing to seek advise on a regular girl I met in Kiev. After two dinners and a trip to the zoo on Saturday, she put out in my apartment. She is 26, pleasant, speaks good English and is low maintenance\cost. I went down on her and within 10 minutes she was screaming. She demanded sex often over the weekend. Where is the problem you say? Well she tells me that she insists on condom (no problems there) , does not do anal and is not ready to do oral for me. The oral part is unacceptable to me as she often asks for oral from me. Result was that I sent her packing and have igonred her SMS messages since. In your experience, is that normal for a ukraine girl not to be ready to do oral? I think she is a selfish girl and is using me for sex? Comments?
Hi Pedro,
I can't send you a PM. What model agency are you talking of?
I am very interested and in Kiev right now.
Russians and neighboring people elect Putin: a mafioso, murderer but STRONG man. And they vote for him. These people learnt to admire (love?) what they perceive to be a strong man, not necessarily a romantic, smart, intelligent, etc. Guy. Yes, money is their passport out of the shitty hand they were dealt. Also, Ukrainian women by in large are really great people and excellent company in bed and otherwise. As far as even working girls are concerned, these are the best ever, anywhere, and trust me. I know, I have been mongering for 45 years in more places I can remember. In my next life, my wife will be Ukrainian! Most likely I rot in hell, but just in case.
Tomorrow Tuesday anyone for a coffee at Premier Palace lobby bar? Any time before my dinner date at 7 PM. Prey for me that I get lucky! This is an 18 years old absolute beauty, not a pro at all, so my chances are close to 1.
Oh, they tell me that actual real model agencies here will send you models rated 10 to entertain you (they can say no after they meet you / before you pay). The cost is about 1K for the night. I often see girls in Kiev that are worth that much. Of course, they don't see me.
I may try the model agency stunt, if I do I will report here.
62, white, English only, not fat, not tall, have full hair head, I have money but not millonaire.
Girls were all from Mamba and SeekingArrangement They are 'civilians', not pros..
I am not going to say (No Way Jose) , But meeting all "Girls 21 to 27, 7 to 9. Very hot with the added benefit of not being cold bitches.", and "Bringing them from other cities for free " and tomorrow Tuesday "You are meeting an 18 years old Beauty at Premier Palace " and all for FReee.
With your track record above, why do you need us"To Pray for you Tomorrow "?
Then I don't know why (Hunter Dave) who he said was in his early (50s) got so flamed with his reports about similar Free Young Hot Girls.
So, is River Palace open again, or not? I will go check tomorrow Sunday.
Also, about 'extra money for food' is no money given to them, but I spend it with them as we eat together. Bringing girls from other cities has worked very well for me, but your experience may vary.Did you find out about River Palace?
I am writing to seek advise on a regular girl I met in Kiev. After two dinners and a trip to the zoo on Saturday, she put out in my apartment. She is 26, pleasant, speaks good English and is low maintenance\cost. I went down on her and within 10 minutes she was screaming. She demanded sex often over the weekend. Where is the problem you say? Well she tells me that she insists on condom (no problems there) , does not do anal and is not ready to do oral for me. The oral part is unacceptable to me as she often asks for oral from me. Result was that I sent her packing and have igonred her SMS messages since. In your experience, is that normal for a ukraine girl not to be ready to do oral? I think she is a selfish girl and is using me for sex? Comments?Some few women dose not do oral for several reasons. Maybe she was after passion and emotion. Did-int wanted to feel used. Etc.
If you want a sex toy who dose fulfill your every desire in bed, well then I guess you made a good fold. I don't think there will be a problem for you to finding new toy in Kiev. Whom will give what you desire and want.
May the flopp be with you and sometimes check raising all inn is better.
Tomorrow Tuesday anyone for a coffee at Premier Palace lobby bar? Any time before my dinner date at 7 PM. Prey for me that I get lucky! This is an 18 years old absolute beauty, not a pro at all, so my chances are close to 1..
You say you are 62 and she is "an 18 years old absolute beauty, not a pro at all,". If she Plays Hard To Get. , then We will Pray for You To Get Hard, LOL.
That will be a nice script of remaking the Movie (Breezy) , albiet this time under the title (Breezy In Kiev ).
Would love to get the CCTV footage from Premier Palace Hotel on your Meeting with her.
Check with the Hotel Lobby Bar, whether they have Pop Corn to go with her Coke, LOL.
Tomorrow Tuesday anyone for a coffee at Premier Palace lobby bar? Any time before my dinner date at 7 PM. Prey for me that I get lucky! This is an 18 years old absolute beauty, not a pro at all, so my chances are close to 1.Pedro,
I don't like to wager on where you met her, but was it at Mcdonalds down the road.
Bet you wooed her with a Milk Shake, LOL. .
Hope you don't get the kind of looks william Holden get from his Friends when they first met his Californian Breezy.
Have a look, scenes from Breezy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYybIMZxtyM
Poker Player 2
07-24-12, 14:24
Thank you for your sound advise. I just had not met a woman in EE who would not do oral sex. Infact, some of the best oral sex I have received has been in Ukraine. I think you maybe correct as she was getting emotional and I would hate to lead her on. At the moment she is fluctuating in between "missing me" to texting me to "forget it". I am resigned to letting her go.
Some few women dose not do oral for several reasons. Maybe she was after passion and emotion. Did-int wanted to feel used. Etc.
If you want a sex toy who dose fulfill your every desire in bed, well then I guess you made a good fold. I don't think there will be a problem for you to finding new toy in Kiev. Whom will give what you desire and want.
May the flopp be with you and sometimes check raising all inn is better.
Pedro,
I would like to meet you at the palace for coffee today to discuss topics of mutual interest (!) but I can not PM you as you do not appear to be a senior member for some reason.Now everyone wants to meet Pedro, now they heard about his 18 years old beauty at Premier palace and his collection of Hot Young Free Girls.
And how do you Know if Pedro wasn't a Senior Member here in Previous Life, LOL. .
Pedro Buddy, hang on to your collection.
CityHunter77
07-24-12, 17:36
Tomorrow Tuesday anyone for a coffee at Premier Palace lobby bar? Any time before my dinner date at 7 PM. Prey for me that I get lucky! This is an 18 years old absolute beauty, not a pro at all, so my chances are close to 1.
Oh, they tell me that actual real model agencies here will send you models rated 10 to entertain you (they can say no after they meet you / before you pay). The cost is about 1K for the night. I often see girls in Kiev that are worth that much. Of course, they don't see me.
I may try the model agency stunt, if I do I will report here.Hi Pedro.
Do you have more info about the Model agency?
Where did you get the 18 year old?
Can't PM you, probably you don't have a membership
AColonizer
07-24-12, 17:53
1K of what? Euros, dollars or. What?
Hi Pedro.
Do you have more info about the Model agency?
Where did you get the 18 year old?
Can't PM you, probably you don't have a membership
62, white, English only, not fat, not tall, have full hair head, I have money but not millonaire.
Girls were all from Mamba and SeekingArrangement They are 'civilians', not pros.Hi Pedro,
And being with "Girls 21 to 27, 7 to 9. Very hot with the added benefit of not being cold bitches." Now I see why you are acquiring at record time requests to meet up, and probably they want to become your New Best Friends In Kiev.
Cheers Old Chap.
And where were you master monger when LJ pulled the wool over almost everyone's eyes with his $300 girls?CN,
You really embarrass me now calling me "Master Monger ".
This title should really now go and deservedly so to Pedro Toronga.
62 Years white male only English Spoken, pulling all these young hot free girls.
Gives me hope in the years (60s) to come hitting it with girls in Kiev, who are in their infancy now, or yet to see Life.
PedroToronja
07-24-12, 22:49
Pedro,
Can you provide some more detail regarding this 18yr old hottie you have date with at 7pm. Where did you meet her and how were you able to get a date with beautiful young girl at your age.
JerseyguyMet her at a store in Podil, by accident, felt hooked in a split sec. I don't want to put too much detail as this could come back to hunt me if she ever finds out I wrote about her here.
Anyway, logic prevailed, we are now in the 'friends zone'. I explained what I wanted, no offense, but. 'not ready for it' We met twice for 4 hours each of truly great conversation but I want to jump her bones of course. I will give it one more try and unless the world has gone mad, this story will not be one that will enhance my reputation. But the world has gone mad, so maybe. (pray for me my fellow mongers!)
PedroToronja
07-24-12, 22:52
PT,
A good point but you will note that the opposition to the guy is growing now in Russia. Maybe the younger generation thinks differently. Maybe his support base is in the provinces. Russia is changing. I prefer ukraine myself.
Mongering for 45 years! Damn thats more years than I've been on this earth; Actually, I was seriously wondering how some of you guys have so much time to do all that you have done. Some of the reports from a couple of you could pass as a doctoral thesis on how to get some punani! Very obviously a lot of time and effort have gone into them. It's almost a " how to guide " in picking up ukranian women.
Why next life, why not a ukranian wife now? I'm sure you could if you wanted to?
I will buy you a beer if you are in Kiev when I'm there next week. Would be an aboslute pleasure to exchange some stories; I leave on Sunday, sorry I can't meet you. Will be back in September, I come every 2 months, so I cum every 2 months, but a lot! .
In my next life because I love dearly my wonderful wife, who is hot. 13 years younger than me, in amazing shape. It is an addiction, that is why.
PedroToronja
07-24-12, 22:58
This part I definitely do not really agree with. Adopting some of the local playing rules is definitely great for your game. But don't try to become a Slavic. They are their own worst enemy when it comes to women sometimes.
Besides that, pretending to be a Slavic is still pretending. I am manly, direct and often uncompromising with my dyevs, BUT I can't prevent to let emerge my "western" qualities, which are humour, empathy, culture, and sentimentality and sensitivity at the right moments.Prosal, I am with you buddy, I am the same way as you, and it works many times. I have witnessed girls who will only value that 'Putin' or screwed up version of 'macho' that most slavics exhibit. They are horrible with women, but for most women here, they are the only option available, so they fight like crazy for them, even dressing like complete sluts without being sluts. My experience shows me that most people (not just women) here will accept and obey a direct order given with authority. 400 years under the fricken Russians made them submissive. The alternative was the Gulag or worst. Conversely, if you show too much 'understanding' and flexibility that can be perceived as weakness, and you lose.
PedroToronja
07-24-12, 23:11
Hi Pedro,
I can't send you a PM. What model agency are you talking of?
I am very interested and in Kiev right now.A local with experience with tourists educated me about how these 'professional model agencies' work. I could not get more detail because that girl is my 'official girlfriend', so it is a conflict of interest and I can get in deep sh*t.
I googled MODEL AGENCY KIEV PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT PHOTO and several popped up, with some incredible creatures. I also have work meetings here, and most nights I am with my gf, so my options are for a day escapade.
The keywords when talking with the agency appear to be: I am here on business and I want the company of a beautiful model (you should name them, their photos are in the websites announcing their availability for fashion shows, photo shoots, to travel for such, etc.) for X hours (probably have to say 3 or 4) 'without complex' (or 'without reservations'). You should pick 2 or 3 and they come to meet you with a person from the agency. At that point you chose one (or more if you are rich) and (not sure) you may have to start the evening with a diner with her. They can also say 'no' once they meet you, I was told. These are not outright prostitutes, but actual models in times of crises, and them (and the agency) need the money.
I have to try it myself, but I have to maneuver around the several limitations I mentioned. I hope this week I do it and report to you all. Promise. I hope I can brag.
BTW, one girl I met through Seekingarrangement called Inna is a true model that I rate a 10, but I could not make her cum so it was very frustrating. That was my only 10.
In the streets of Kiev, at least once daily I see an 11: that is a perfect girl that makes you hurt when you see her! It hurts! Those that are perfect and then have that special look / elegance / mystery that puts you over the top.
BTW 2, there are lots of turists now in Kiev. Apparently the world discovered Ukraine in the last futbol world cup, and now they are coming. That sucks! We don't need the competition. More demand will bring up the prices!
PedroToronja
07-24-12, 23:13
I am writing to seek advise on a regular girl I met in Kiev. After two dinners and a trip to the zoo on Saturday, she put out in my apartment. She is 26, pleasant, speaks good English and is low maintenance\cost. I went down on her and within 10 minutes she was screaming. She demanded sex often over the weekend. Where is the problem you say? Well she tells me that she insists on condom (no problems there) , does not do anal and is not ready to do oral for me. The oral part is unacceptable to me as she often asks for oral from me. Result was that I sent her packing and have igonred her SMS messages since. In your experience, is that normal for a ukraine girl not to be ready to do oral? I think she is a selfish girl and is using me for sex? Comments?They all give oral, of different quality, and most do insist on condom. What is not normal is them getting oral: most men here never kiss pussy and girls crave it.
PedroToronja
07-24-12, 23:19
I am not going to say (No Way Jose) , But meeting all "Girls 21 to 27, 7 to 9. Very hot with the added benefit of not being cold bitches.", and "Bringing them from other cities for free " and tomorrow Tuesday "You are meeting an 18 years old Beauty at Premier Palace " and all for FReee.
With your track record above, why do you need us"To Pray for you Tomorrow "?
Then I don't know why (Hunter Dave) who he said was in his early (50s) got so flamed with his reports about similar Free Young Hot Girls.. There is no free pussy. Nowhere, never, for nobody. You are lucky if it only costs you money! Pros you just pay a negotiated rate and for the most part they are cold bitches that leave you feeling (sometimes, at least for me) like crap after I cum. 'Civilians' are girls, students, workers, unemployed, who would fuck a guy they like and enjoy the benefits of you taking them out for meals, treating them like a lady with common courtesies, flowers and a little 'present' in cash when is time for goodbye. The cash is much less than what you would pay for similar number of services by a cold pro from Buddha for instance.
When you bring a girl from Odessa, Lviv, Ternopil, etc, they have the added benefit of a trip and stay in Kiev. They come from much worst places and love the time in the sun, the attention and they love cuming like anyone else. It works for me now, and it worked several times during the past 6 years. Again your mileage may vary.
PedroToronja
07-24-12, 23:24
you say you are 62 and she is "an 18 years old absolute beauty, not a pro at all,". if she plays hard to get. , then we will pray for you to get hard, lol.
that will be a nice script of remaking the movie (breezy) , albiet this time under the title (breezy in kiev ).
would love to get the cctv footage from premier palace hotel on your meeting with her.
check with the hotel lobby bar, whether they have pop corn to go with her coke, lol.for the hard part i don't pray. they could make powerful viagra from my [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109), and my skin is turning blue. trust me, buy stock in pfizer!
had a great time, but not happy ending. at all. i guess being older than her grandpa, and she not coming out of a rotten home and / or complete misery made it (so far) impossible for me. but i will keep trying some more. i want to have stories to tell my grandchildren so they are proud of me lol
PedroToronja
07-24-12, 23:27
Pedro,
I would like to meet you at the palace for coffee today to discuss topics of mutual interest (!) but I can not PM you as you do not appear to be a senior member for some reason.OK, I made it home by Maidan at 1 AM, sorry missed your posting. Tomorrow Wednesday I am open to meet, same place, lobby bar, at either 1 PM or 6 PM, your choice. Looking forwards to it, hunting in company, comparing notes is very educational and saves us both money and frustration.
PedroToronja
07-24-12, 23:30
Pedro,
I don't like to wager on where you met her, but was it at Mcdonalds down the road.
Bet you wooed her with a Milk Shake, LOL. .
Hope you don't get the kind of looks william Holden get from his Friends when they first met his Californian Breezy.
Have a look, scenes from Breezy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYybIMZxtyMI don't go to McDonalds, ever, in Kiev. No, she was working at a store in Podil. I will watch the video tomorrow, I am dying to go to sleep. Thanks. BTW, if others laugh, so far from home, I don't give a damn.
PedroToronja
07-24-12, 23:31
Hi Pedro.
Do you have more info about the Model agency?
Where did you get the 18 year old?
Can't PM you, probably you don't have a membershipAll I got was a meeting, not sure to qualify it a date, with her. Actually twice and not making much progress, as I reported earlier. I also replied about the model agency.
PedroToronja
07-25-12, 10:11
1K of what? Euros, dollars or. What?I am American.
. There is no free pussy. Nowhere, never, for nobody. You are lucky if it only costs you money! Pros you just pay a negotiated rate and for the most part they are cold bitches that leave you feeling (sometimes, at least for me) like crap after I cum. 'Civilians' are girls, students, workers, unemployed, who would fuck a guy they like and enjoy the benefits of you taking them out for meals, treating them like a lady with common courtesies, flowers and a little 'present' in cash when is time for goodbye. The cash is much less than what you would pay for similar number of services by a cold pro from Buddha for instance.
When you bring a girl from Odessa, Lviv, Ternopil, etc, they have the added benefit of a trip and stay in Kiev. They come from much worst places and love the time in the sun, the attention and they love cuming like anyone else. It works for me now, and it worked several times during the past 6 years. Again your mileage may vary.Hi Pedro. Trust me I am really enjoying reading your posts, but I am a bit confused. Between "no money given to them " and "little present in cash ".
In your post below number 10599 you say " Also, about 'extra money for food' is no money given to them, but I spend it with them as we eat together. Bringing girls from other cities has worked very well for me, but your experience may vary.", Yet above there is talk of "a little present in cash ".
The operative word here is (CASH) that you are giving to them at the End.
How "Little " is this Cash.
Or is it like How Long a Piece of String?
PedroToronja
07-25-12, 10:17
CN,
You really embarrass me now calling me "Master Monger ".
This title should really now go and deservedly so to Pedro Toronga.
62 Years white male only English Spoken, pulling all these young hot free girls.
Gives me hope in the years (60s) to come hitting it with girls in Kiev, who are in their infancy now, or yet to see Life.. Good attitude, good hygiene, not assuming they are stupid, making them laugh, being polite, listening to their stories and concerns patiently and with interest, spending some money and working hard to make sure you give them the best sex they every had (or at least trying really hard) , is the trick (for me). Others may just get by with looks, but that is not my forte. I secretly envy the bastards.
PedroToronja
07-25-12, 10:20
Did you find out about River Palace?I assume River Palace never reopened, and somebody played a prank on me. I can't imagine why somobody would purposedly provide erroneous information here though. So no, I did not go to verify.
for the hard part i don't pray. they could make powerful viagra from my [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109), and my skin is turning blue. trust me, buy stock in pfizer!
had a great time, but not happy ending. at all. i guess being older than her grandpa, and she not coming out of a rotten home and / or complete misery made it (so far) impossible for me. but i will keep trying some more. i want to have stories to tell my grandchildren so they are proud of me lolhonestly you have put a bit of life into this thread.
funny you mention about " buying stock in pfizer " i do recall the great (hunter dave) giving this tip when he made his appearnces here.
i wonder whether hunter dave is in kiev now?
CityHunter77
07-25-12, 12:21
1K of what? Euros, dollars or. What?I think it's probably USD
Are none of you fellows visiting Kiev of late going to the nightclubs at all? There hasn't been mention of any exploits. What's the WG scene like now? What are the prices being asked? Which nightclubs have the better and more easy to work scene now? Even if you didn't score when you went, a description of what you saw would be helpful. According to the veterans like Cruiser D, the nightclubs are the best place to pick up the best looking and lower costing girls. Is nobody going? Just wondering why no reports. I will be in Kiev soon again, and look forward to following up on this myself, but why is nobody else doing do? It seems odd.
PedroToronja
07-26-12, 00:57
hi pedro. trust me i am really enjoying reading your posts, but i am a bit confused. between "no money given to them " and "little present in cash ".
in your post below number 10599 you say " also, about 'extra money for food' is no money given to them, but i spend it with them as we eat together. bringing girls from other cities has worked very well for me, but your experience may vary.", yet above there is talk of "a little present in cash ".
the operative word here is (cash) that you are giving to them at the end.
how "little " is this cash.
or is it like how long a piece of string?well, there is a big difference between "i go to your room for $xxx an hour" and just talking, smiling, suddenly touching, kissing, undressing and fucking the shit out of her. the latest is waaay more romantic. the last day, you give her from $500 (one month salary) to $1, 000 and maybe you sprinkled it up with a pair of shoes or jeans ($100) during your week with her. one may call this flat out p2p, but most put it in the category of 'sponsor' or friend with means who recognizes the girl needs help. i go for the second, with the whole gf / bf halo and neither side feels like buying or being bought. it can, and often is, a truly honest relationship with a girl who would not 'sell herself' for a typical trick. the situation on this part of the world is really sucky and is very hard to find a job, getting paid once they find it, getting paid in time, keeping the job and not having to 'stay late' with the boss each time he feels horny.
by in large, i have great respect for these women, they are really screwed up by their country: extremely corrupt, police will not help even on case of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), judicial system is a joke and absolutely unavailable as a recourse, corruption to the bone, no hope. people here miss communism as they are told this is free market capitalism. it is not, of course. going item by item as life was here before and after the fall of communism, as much as i hate them, they have some valid points. i can't believe i said that.
meet the 18 years old again, for one hour. 4th time. she wants me to meet her mom. but i suspect is not to get her blessing, but she may be trying to get her a bf / husband or sponsor. she described her as 'fantastic' and 'gorgeous'. i am beyond 'friend zone', on even worst territory (if that was possible). i never give up, i will keep trying and will die trying (meaning: walk of shame out of the last meeting when my nuclear option failed). nuclear option is telling the truth: i want to fuck the hell of out you, carry you in my arm (not back home!) as a trophy chick, feed my tank with all that youth, beauty and freshness you bring, and lick those wonderful tits till the cows come home. there are no cows anywhere near home. oh, and she asked if i can give a job to her brother. yep, pathetic, don't say it, but as long as there is hope for pussy and i am not dishing out money besides taxi fare and a simple meal, i will keep on trucking. hard is the life of the mongerer, but the alternative. there is no alternative as long as there is viagra! (which i define as a default swap, trip insurance, etc. i may not need it but i make sure i get my efforts worth). calm seas and following winds to my fellow sailors on these very interesting waters, in the land of the long legs (land of the long shadows was finland?).
well, there is a big difference between "i go to your room for $xxx an hour" and just talking, smiling, suddenly touching, kissing, undressing and fucking the shit out of her. the latest is waaay more romantic. the last day, you give her from $500 (one month salary) to $1, 000 and maybe you sprinkled it up with a pair of shoes or jeans ($100) during your week with her. one may call this flat out p2p, but most put it in the category of 'sponsor' or friend with means who recognizes the girl needs help. i go for the second, with the whole gf / bf halo and neither side feels like buying or being bought. it can, and often is, a truly honest relationship with a girl who would not 'sell herself' for a typical trick. the situation on this part of the world is really sucky and is very hard to find a job, getting paid once they find it, getting paid in time, keeping the job and not having to 'stay late' with the boss each time he feels horny.
by in large, i have great respect for these women, they are really screwed up by their country: extremely corrupt, police will not help even on case of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), judicial system is a joke and absolutely unavailable as a recourse, corruption to the bone, no hope. people here miss communism as they are told this is free market capitalism. it is not, of course. going item by item as life was here before and after the fall of communism, as much as i hate them, they have some valid points. i can't believe i said that.
meet the 18 years old again, for one hour. 4th time. she wants me to meet her mom. but i suspect is not to get her blessing, but she may be trying to get her a bf / husband or sponsor. she described her as 'fantastic' and 'gorgeous'. i am beyond 'friend zone', on even worst territory (if that was possible). i never give up, i will keep trying and will die trying (meaning: walk of shame out of the last meeting when my nuclear option failed). nuclear option is telling the truth: i want to fuck the hell of out you, carry you in my arm (not back home!) as a trophy chick, feed my tank with all that youth, beauty and freshness you bring, and lick those wonderful tits till the cows come home. there are no cows anywhere near home. oh, and she asked if i can give a job to her brother. yep, pathetic, don't say it, but as long as there is hope for pussy and i am not dishing out money besides taxi fare and a simple meal, i will keep on trucking. hard is the life of the mongerer, but the alternative. there is no alternative as long as there is viagra! (which i define as a default swap, trip insurance, etc. i may not need it but i make sure i get my efforts worth). calm seas and following winds to my fellow sailors on these very interesting waters, in the land of the long legs (land of the long shadows was finland?).noted with interest the above observations on the ukraine.
but in other words there is money passed to them at the end. between us$500 to us$1000, plus us$ 100 for a pair of jeans or shoes.
one week of sex and company.
money, money, money. ua and ee girls love this video song,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wckomcil79s.
Are none of you fellows visiting Kiev of late going to the nightclubs at all? There hasn't been mention of any exploits. What's the WG scene like now? What are the prices being asked? Which nightclubs have the better and more easy to work scene now? Even if you didn't score when you went, a description of what you saw would be helpful. According to the veterans like Cruiser D, the nightclubs are the best place to pick up the best looking and lower costing girls. Is nobody going? Just wondering why no reports. I will be in Kiev soon again, and look forward to following up on this myself, but why is nobody else doing do? It seems odd.I don't think summer is a good time to hit hot and sweaty clubs in Kiev or in EE capital cities. Hot girls are away by the seaside.
How about you and Pedro Toronga hitting the clubs together?
2 is company and with 2 hot club girls in tow, a great foursome.
What do you think?
DoctorOral
07-26-12, 13:01
Go to the beaches and talk to the half naked beauties lying around.
They are mostly all open for a cool ice-cream and a hot conversation!
Dante Park is good for summer. Clubs in the city are slow in summer!
Are none of you fellows visiting Kiev of late going to the nightclubs at all? There hasn't been mention of any exploits. What's the WG scene like now? What are the prices being asked? Which nightclubs have the better and more easy to work scene now? Even if you didn't score when you went, a description of what you saw would be helpful. According to the veterans like Cruiser D, the nightclubs are the best place to pick up the best looking and lower costing girls. Is nobody going? Just wondering why no reports. I will be in Kiev soon again, and look forward to following up on this myself, but why is nobody else doing do? It seems odd.
Member #4491
07-26-12, 23:05
Meet the 18 years old again, for one hour. 4th time.By now it is a mission. A quest. Keep it up, mate! Love your posts.
B.
(PI or UA? PI or UA? I can't decide and I can't do both now.)
Are none of you fellows visiting Kiev of late going to the nightclubs at all? There hasn't been mention of any exploits. What's the WG scene like now? What are the prices being asked? Which nightclubs have the better and more easy to work scene now? Even if you didn't score when you went, a description of what you saw would be helpful. According to the veterans like Cruiser D, the nightclubs are the best place to pick up the best looking and lower costing girls. Is nobody going? Just wondering why no reports. I will be in Kiev soon again, and look forward to following up on this myself, but why is nobody else doing do? It seems odd.I spent a week in Kiev in July right after Euro. Tourists seem to be less this time (thank God) and my experience more fulfilling.
I stopped by 2 other clubs besides Rio. Club Divas and Mandarin. All three have same owners. Mandarin is in Podol on the river on a old boat but very nice inside. Entrance is 150gr, taxi back is quite expensive 200gr if you take the club taxi. Cheaper to call your own taxi. Lots of girls about 35 and nice cabarets too inside. Club Divas on left bank is the cheapest. 80 grivnas entrance fee, girls number about 12 on the night I went. Some good ones. 8 at least I would say. So Club Divas is cheapest, followed by Rio and Mandarin the most expensive but also has good shows, live music and cabarets.
I also called up top-modals and went to 2 different girls to their apartments. Their charge 400grivnas per hour. Photos matched the girls, good environment and great sex. Look wise 6-7 I would give them.
I also got my old contacts. Girls I met before (2 girls for 2000grivnas total) for the night. They also cooked dinner for me (pleasant surprise)
I also went to massage salon Roksolona. Quite good. 2 girls 90 minutes for 800gr. 1 classic and 2 erotic massages.
Hope this helps
I don't think summer is a good time to hit hot and sweaty clubs in Kiev or in EE capital cities. Hot girls are away by the seaside.
How about you and Pedro Toronga hitting the clubs together?
2 is company and with 2 hot club girls in tow, a great foursome.
What do you think?Happy to hit the clubs with a wingman. My Kiev visit is likely going to happen in the beginning of September though.
LJ
Go to the beaches and talk to the half naked beauties lying around.
They are mostly all open for a cool ice-cream and a hot conversation!
Dante Park is good for summer. Clubs in the city are slow in summer!Good point. So if clubs are slow in the summer for regular folks, where do all the WG's and semi pros go fishing at night? Are you saying they aren't working during summer? The beach and park sound delightful as summer daytime activities. But where is the action at night?
LJ
I spent a week in Kiev in July right after Euro. Tourists seem to be less this time (thank God) and my experience more fulfilling.
I stopped by 2 other clubs besides Rio. Club Divas and Mandarin. All three have same owners. Mandarin is in Podol on the river on a old boat but very nice inside. Entrance is 150gr, taxi back is quite expensive 200gr if you take the club taxi. Cheaper to call your own taxi. Lots of girls about 35 and nice cabarets too inside. Club Divas on left bank is the cheapest. 80 grivnas entrance fee, girls number about 12 on the night I went. Some good ones. 8 at least I would say. So Club Divas is cheapest, followed by Rio and Mandarin the most expensive but also has good shows, live music and cabarets.
I also called up top-modals and went to 2 different girls to their apartments. Their charge 400grivnas per hour. Photos matched the girls, good environment and great sex. Look wise 6-7 I would give them.
I also got my old contacts. Girls I met before (2 girls for 2000grivnas total) for the night. They also cooked dinner for me (pleasant surprise)
I also went to massage salon Roksolona. Quite good. 2 girls 90 minutes for 800gr. 1 classic and 2 erotic massages.
Hope this helpsThanks for your reply and input, Miscgk10. I was actually asking about the regular nightclubs and the type of action available in them. The girls in regular nightclubs (WG's or semi pro girls) operate as independents and therefore whatever prices are involved are negotiated with each girl independently, so lower prices can be possible. I was hoping to see reports about what's going on in the regular nightclubs like Carribean, Vodka, Arena, Avalon or D'Lux etc.
However, the clubs you mentioned (Mandarin and Rio) are, strictly speaking, not regular nightclubs, but rather strip clubs, where everything, including the take out prices for the girls, is regulated by the club, and therefore the prices remain at a relatively high rate of 2400 UAH ($300 USD) minimum for three hours. In relation to the whopping take out fee, the entrance fee is really a nominal consideration. I used to like the cabaret shows at the old Mandarin club. Good to hear they reopened with the same type of offerrings. Thanks for also bringing to my attention Club Divas with which I was not familiar, unless it is another name for Club Paradise (a sister club of Rio). Did you sample any of the girls as "take out"?
Smoky Jack
07-27-12, 20:02
Some few women dose not do oral for several reasons. Maybe she was after passion and emotion. Did-int wanted to feel used. Etc.
If you want a sex toy who dose fulfill your every desire in bed, well then I guess you made a good fold. I don't think there will be a problem for you to finding new toy in Kiev. Whom will give what you desire and want.
May the flopp be with you and sometimes check raising all inn is better.I dunno, a true poke-her player would find another girl BEFORE jettisoning this near perfect girl. Sounds like you are spoiled, and for this, I am jealous LOL.
Smoky Jack
07-27-12, 21:26
dear stevie69,
i actually agree with you about not wanting to pay for sleeping with the girl. i was only trying to point out just the sheer raw economic advantage possible in getting many more hours with a top flight girl in the context of a "package deal" price of usually little more than double the initial hour price, for many, many hours.
of course, to the extent those hours are spent sleeping, it's more or less pissing the money away. personally, i am not an easy sleeper, and just as you said, the presence of a very hot girl in my bed all night, did not help at all, and my sleep was very disturbed the few times i did this.
for me, in a package deal for multiple hours booking, i look at the time i will have that can be enjoyed while awake with a beautiful girl, who has a nice personality and with whom i have fun talking with and sharing time with. at night or during the day this can include going out to nightclub dancing, or eating together, or cuddling in bed together and talking, or necking, kissing and petting like teenagers, or sitting in a jacuzzi together playing with each other's bodies, or massaging her and being massaged by the girl, or going to musical or cultural events, or seeing sights, or to cafes and bars to drink, or to the beach, or bowling, or a thousand other ways a man can enjoy time with a beautiful young girl whom he likes and enjoys her company, your own imagination and the horizon of your interests is the limit. so if for such companionship time the price is very low, it becomes something to consider. also, as time passes with a girl, it is not unusual to get aroused again after some hours pass and since she is with you, sex can happen again.
of course i recognize that there is a big difference in hooking up with a girl who charges only $100 for the first hour, versus a high priced girl one might pick up in a nightclub like d'lux or a strip club, who might charge $200 or $300 for the first couple of hours with her as her initial rate.
i always say that each monger should spend according to how he likes to spend. if $100 suits a monger as a reasonable hourly price, then he should focus on girls from mamba or other websites who ask those lower fees or try to find girls in nightclubs who will agree to those lower fees, and be satisfied with their level of good looks. most mongers who report their experiences with those types of girls claim that they were able to get girls who were in their eyes very beautiful. so why spend more?
but if there are mongers who honestly feel they are not finding girls who are really that beautiful at the lower prices of $75 or $100 / hour, and they wish to get to much more beautiful p4p girls they see all around in the nightclubs and strip clubs, who are asking higher prices of $200 or $300 for several hours, and they have money and are willing to pay those prices to get the more beautiful girls they want, what sense does it make to criticize their desires for bedding the hot but expensive wg's just because you might be satisfied with less? there really is no right and wrong in this, and each monger should spend as he desires. as long as everyone knows what options are available and on the table, everyone should be free to choose as they like, no?
so if i tell you that i feel i have gotten girls for the higher prices of $300 who in my eyes were far more beautiful than the girls i could have gotten for $100, and i am satisfied that i got good value for the extra money paid because of the higher level of beauty i experienced according to the way my eyes saw the beauty, then why can't some mongers live with the idea of to each his own? we all know beauty is subjective, and is in the eyes of the beholder, so even if for example they actually saw my $300 girl, and didn't think she was so much hotter than their $100 girl, the most they could say to themselves would be,"hmmmm, not for me. i would rather take the girl for $100". but what they can't say is that i should prefer their $100 girl, because my feeling was that she was much less hot than the beauty who i took for $300, because that was my opinion about how the two girls compared in the looks department. it's really a silly argument. it's like two guys getting incensed at each other while arguing over which color is better, blue or red? one guy insists that blue is more beautiful, while the other guy says he enjoys red more. ridiculous argument. or maybe we can argue over blondes or brunettes? tall girls or petite girls? it's all a matter of taste.
when you read the debate between prosal and cruiser d about what kind of clothing and accessories are best to wear to kiev nightclubs to be successful with freebie chasing of the hottest models, did you not say once to yourself, well i would not spend so much money on clothing or accessories or mink coats like these guys, it's too much. but for some guys, spending and spending on high fashion clothing is a must. to each his own, or don't you really think so.
the honest monger report will state that in kiev it's best to try to meet a reasonable amount of girls from websites like mamba for $100 or less per hour and try to find the type of girl you want at these lower pricesis available in kiev. and to also go take a look at the type of girls available for p4p in the various nightclubs, as the former river palace scene has spread out to the various nightclubs, and check out the talent at the strip clubs too, but be aware of the higher prices there versus the lower prices on mamba, and only spend more than the low prices if you personally have compared the beauty levels of both types and feel it is worth it to spend more. the job of a reporting monger is to make readers aware of all the options, as well as the pros and cons, the advantages and pitfalls inherent in each option, so that an informed choice can be made by each monger according to his tastes and his pocketbook. there are too many guys on this forum who have totalitarian mindsets and feel they must intimidate by insult and smear anyone who may differ with their own opinion and viewpoint. it's unfortunate that democratic thinking is not so prevalent. such people perhaps have issues with controlling behavior in the rest of their personal lives and are acting out here on this forum. but it's not rational discourse, and is very tiresome.
i would also like to address what you wrote about the fkk's. i always go to an fkk with the intention of saving money "this time" and only having half hour sessions. but i always find that when i like a girl i end up spending an hour with her and sometimes 1. 5 hours. none of that time is spent "cleaning up". one of the great advantages of an fkk is that all of the time in the room is available for sexual activities.
how does an hour and a half go by of sexual activities when the guy is in his 50's, and no pornstar? it's really not such a difficult thing to carry out.
the sexual activities spread over a 1. 5 hour session include kissing the girl all over and giving her oral sex (daty). if a girl is very beautiful, i enjoy very much licking and kissing her pussy, and i get very aroused from doing it, especially if she begins to become aroused from the good feelings of pleasure spilling through her body because of the flicks of my tongue across and around her clitoris, and her moans and the shudders i can see in her body as she gets near to an orgasm, are very erotic and greatly turn me on, and needless to say when she reaches a climax and her body convulses in a shattering orgasm, i am immensely pleasured and entertained. but sometimes a girl's mind is not tuned in and then she doesn't get so aroused and so i discontinue my efforts. i can usually spot the fakers and don't continue on with them very long. so with a girl who is into enjoying oral sex, this can go on for some time, maybe 10 to 15 minutes or longer, depending on the girl. maybe after a while, we'll switch roles and she will begin giving me oral sex (bbbj) and i try to make this last as long as i can. usually, unless the girl gets me in just the right way with the right speed, i can outlast any of them and will not be in danger of cumming before the girl says her mouth hurts and she wants to do something else. this too can go on for a nice little whiile, maybe 15 minutes even, depending on the girl. at this point we are usually over the half hour mark and into the next half hour. at some point she wants to stop blowing me, and i usually get her up on top of me cowgirl style so i can allow her to seat herself comfortably on my dick and ride me for a while which is a great turn on as i get to see the sexiness of her body and shape as she fucks me, and i can see the expressions on her face, and any smiles and her signs of arousal that inspire me. maybe then i turn her around for some reverse cowgirl, and a particular version of it which one girl taught me (where the girl is actually on all fours doggie position between your legs facing toward your feet as you lie on your back with your knees up, and she hooks her legs under your legs and backs up until she's able to sit on your dick. this position is of course very easy for you since you are lying on your back, and it is easy for the girl since she is on all fours rocking forward and back, up and down on your dick, giving you an awesome view of your penetration into her nubile pussy, and since she is not doing calisthenics she will not get tired and can continue this for quite some time. i find it easy to control myself in this position and can prevent myself from getting too aroused and cumming. then after a while, one can switch over to the man being on top missionary for a while until tired of it, flip her around for doggie while you are standing, which is another less stress position than a man can continue for quite a while, and etc. etc. before you know it an hour or even an hour and a half has passed, and you have controlled yourself and the positions and the rhythm and speed of the fucking so that you have not fun yet and with your eye on the clock, you increase the pace and fuck her brains out until you cum just about almost on the mark of your session period.
it's so much more satisfying when you are able to enjoy licking and kissing and fucking a young girl's beautiful body for a long and quite memorable time. to go into a session and just fuck like the blazes until you cum inside 15 minutes of the session, is wasting the opportunity of that sperm load, which you could have used in a more long and drawn out sex session. is the point to get off in as quick a time as possible to spend as little as possible? not for me. having traveled quite a distance to put myself into an fkk club, and into a sex session room with a beautiful young girl, my purpose is to enjoy as many minutes of sexual involvement as i can with each girl. and to recharge in between, and do such sessions with as many girls as i can manage each night at the fkk.
but the dynamics inside of an fkk are different than in kiev. my experience has been that because there are sexy naked women all over you all the time in an fkk, that you get aroused to do more sex there. in kiev, i always end up doing much less because after each girl leaves, i will have to go and get another girl. she is not already standing in front of me naked and playing with my dick until i agree to have sex with her like at an fkk. so in between the time i finish with the first girl in kiev and contemplate the next girl, something else usually comes to mind instead, like sleeping or eating or whatever.
in kiev, i would be happy to be with one very beautiful girl every night of my visit and have her for 1. 5 to 2 hours of sexual activity, and then have another hot girl during the daytime for similar. i would like to sleep alone. but i would also like the pretty girl i had sex with to hang around with me when i'm not sleeping, so i can cuddle with her, bathe with her, lick her pussy more, make out with her, maybe fuck her again if i get turned on from the foregoing, go do outdoors stuff with her or whatever, if it can be arranged at a low and reasonable price for companionship time. and the point was that it is possible with a package deal price for long term companionship multiple hours dates.
ljsorry to quote the whole thing, but this is a brilliant post. this is my philosophy of mongering almost exactly!
Ok I've done my homework and I've scrolled through the archives like anyone should.
But I still can't find Ukrainian women on Mamba. I want to find women in Kiev, Odessa and Crimea but all I can search for is women in my home country, USA. Help please!
Happy to hit the clubs with a wingman. My Kiev visit is likely going to happen in the beginning of September though.
LJInfiltrate the circle of girls in the clubs by finding yourself a really attractive Bi Wingwoman.
The best way to approach a girl, is through her Social friends.
I had no difficulties taking a girl to my room at Ibis hotel. However, since there are always two or three security guys standing around the lobby and main entrance area, I went downstairs to meet the girls outside the hotel and go up to my room together with them. Afterwards, they left alone and encountered no problems downstairs.
Poker Player 2
07-29-12, 14:46
I just got back home after a two week holiday in Kiev. Before arriving in Kiev, I had decided to do some homework and had compiled a list of about 25 telephone numbers mainly from an internet dating site as well as from VK. Com. I went through three dates and as others have mentioned in the forum, my dates were mainly interested in spending as much of my money as possible in fancy restaurants and demand taxi money on top of that. I gave up on dates with anyone who asked me for taxi money. I also met a normal girl who became my girlfriend for a weekend which was also interesting.
I visited RIO a few times and took out my favroite girl twice. I must confirm that the quality of RIO girls has generally gone down as compared to a few years ago. Frankly, I think the general quality of girls in clubs has also gone down but the prices have gone up. I have witnessed this scenario before in other cities in EE including Tallinn and prague in the years past. As the local economy changes and more options become available to the girls, the general quality of available talent to the foreign monger lowers. Expats who live in Ukraine or are otherwise well established in Ukraine or those who speak the local language, may disagree but to me Kiev is becoming less accessible than before for the weekend warrrior monger who speaks no Russian\Ukrainian- regardless of budget. What is worse is that the quality is generally going down.
Per advise of some board memebers, I tried the internet route and called\sent text to about 35 numbers from various websites for an escort. About 5 answered and 4 put the phone down as soon as I said hello in English. I eventually got a return text from one girl who wanted to know how much. I demanded her real photos which she emailed to me. Ofcourse her pictures were completely different to what I expected and I refused meeting her. My verdict: waste of time for me. I am not looking to save money when I visit Kiev and I do not have a real budget that I need to stick to. My time is valuable to me and I do not like it much when girls put the phone down on me.
I met a club girl in Avalon who was fun and introduced me to her friend too who was also fun. I also met some regualr girls in clubs I invited to my table who were a lot of fun to hang out with until 7 in the morning on some days but no action was expected and none received.
I also have a 24 year old from outside Kiev on the internet who I did not meet and does not speak English but wants to meet me in the Crimea for a holiday on my next visit in September. I have asked for details of her proposal but I am not sure how to handle her. Any advise is welcome on this one.
In general, Kiev is still fun and there are many pretty girls around. Somebody reported that Kiev is full of tourists. I am not sure about that. I was at the Caribbean club on a Monday night at 1am and I was the only patron in the club. I find the Ukranian girls emotional and warm in general but I also think they are some of the coldest women you would wish to meet. These girls have been through alot and do not get hurt easily emotionally. My most interesting memory of the trip was when two I saw two girls crying in a club as their dates had bailed on them and the girls were left with the bill to pay. The story seemed to be true; I gave them taxi money too:). I think two weeks a bit too long to stay in Kiev for me becasuse of the simple fact that at my age, I can not have sex multiple times every day and party hard every night so a shorter stint maybe more appropriate for me. I do not like telling you this but the writing is on the wall; this party in ukraine as we know it, will change\end soon. My prediction to a friend of mine was 3-5 years back in may but after this trip, I am thinking closer to 3 years.
Have a good time all and be safe!
Poker Player 2
07-29-12, 15:41
Thank you for your note. I am guilty as charged and I do not wish to lead a girl on with emotional stuff. I feared this girl was heading in that direction and I was looking for reasons to bail. I am not looking for long term relationship or a wife. There are always options in Kiev; some more attractive than others. The other point that comes to my mind is that Ukrainian men are really spoiled and I have the general impression that many Ukrainian men do not find it necessary to take their time in bed with their women. I suspect many Ukrainian men have the attitude, you don't like, then leave, and perform in bed as they see fit. As a result, many girls go bananas when they meet a man who actually takes his time and allows them to achieve orgasm. I met yet another girl for one night who was a lot of fun too. She spoke excellent English and was a language teacher. The conversation with her was most interesting. We met at the club, went to my place, ordered sushi and champagne and talked until about 7 am when we went to bed. I was tierd and thought we were about to sleep until without any prompting from me, she took my member in her mouth bez condom. This 24 year old girl claimed she had not had sex for 6 months and I tend to believe her. According to her, she orgasmed 6 times before she left in the afternoon. This is not a reflection of my skills in bed but I suspect is a reflection of Ukrainian men not handling their business with their women all that well. I suspect ukrainian men lack motivation; somebody wrote the girls in Ukraine are like busses, one comes over your way every few minutes.
I dunno, a true poke-her player would find another girl BEFORE jettisoning this near perfect girl. Sounds like you are spoiled, and for this, I am jealous LOL.
Thanks for your reply and input. I was actually asking about the regular nightclubs and the type of action available in them. The girls in regular nightclubs (WG's or semi pro girls) operate as independents and therefore whatever prices are involved are negotiated with each girl independently, so lower prices can be possible. I was hoping to see reports about what's going on in the regular nightclubs like Carribean, Vodka, Arena, Avalon or D'Lux etc.
However, the clubs you mentioned (Mandarin and Rio) are, strictly speaking, not regular nightclubs, but rather strip clubs, where everything, including the take out prices for the girls, is regulated by the club, and therefore the prices remain at a relatively high rate of 2400 UAH ($300 USD) minimum for three hours. In relation to the whopping take out fee, the entrance fee is really a nominal consideration. I used to like the cabaret shows at the old Mandarin club. Good to hear they reopened with the same type of offerrings. Thanks for also bringing to my attention Club Divas with which I was not familiar, unless it is another name for Club Paradise (a sister club of Rio). Did you sample any of the girls as "take out"?Liljoey. I am a great fan of yours because of your level of analysis and experience. And as you say 'to each its own'. You are right about Mandarin and Rio. Club Divas is also sister club to the first two not sure whether it was called Paradise before. I checked out 1 girl from each of this spots, Sofia, Dasha and Diana all for 5 hours. 3200grivnas which boils down to 640grivnas per hour. Even if I had gone to Carribean, Arena or Dlux I had to shell out entrance fee, drinks money for me and the girls, tips, not to mention money for the girls to bring them home. I stopped by Arena and Carribean and the WGs there asked me 800 to 1600 grivnas per hour and they were not much better than the Rios, Mandarins on the days I went. For a short term monger prices are at this level at present. Off course top modals is cheaper 400 grivnas per hour and that is where all the locals go. Difference you have to go the girls apartment which some of you may not like. Get a good taxi driver and you should be ok. The other option is to follow the steps of the more experienced people (Climax, IrishLad, Prosal, Barba, Jojosun) to look for better deals like 800-1600 grivnas per night. But that calls for greater homework. This is my cost / benefit analysis for now.
Ciao
Ronaldinjo
07-29-12, 17:11
I just got back home after a two week holiday in Kiev. Before arriving in Kiev, I had decided to do some homework and had compiled a list of about 25 telephone numbers mainly from an internet dating site as well as from VK. Com. I went through three dates and as others have mentioned in the forum, my dates were mainly interested in spending as much of my money as possible in fancy restaurants and demand taxi money on top of that. I gave up on dates with anyone who asked me for taxi money. I also met a normal girl who became my girlfriend for a weekend which was also interesting.
I visited RIO a few times and took out my favroite girl twice. I must confirm that the quality of RIO girls has generally gone down as compared to a few years ago. Frankly, I think the general quality of girls in clubs has also gone down but the prices have gone up. I have witnessed this scenario before in other cities in EE including Tallinn and prague in the years past. As the local economy changes and more options become available to the girls, the general quality of available talent to the foreign monger lowers. Expats who live in Ukraine or are otherwise well established in Ukraine or those who speak the local language, may disagree but to me Kiev is becoming less accessible than before for the weekend warrrior monger who speaks no Russian\Ukrainian- regardless of budget. What is worse is that the quality is generally going down.
Per advise of some board memebers, I tried the internet route and called\sent text to about 35 numbers from various websites for an escort. About 5 answered and 4 put the phone down as soon as I said hello in English. I eventually got a return text from one girl who wanted to know how much. I demanded her real photos which she emailed to me. Ofcourse her pictures were completely different to what I expected and I refused meeting her. My verdict: waste of time for me. I am not looking to save money when I visit Kiev and I do not have a real budget that I need to stick to. My time is valuable to me and I do not like it much when girls put the phone down on me.
I met a club girl in Avalon who was fun and introduced me to her friend too who was also fun. I also met some regualr girls in clubs I invited to my table who were a lot of fun to hang out with until 7 in the morning on some days but no action was expected and none received.
I also have a 24 year old from outside Kiev on the internet who I did not meet and does not speak English but wants to meet me in the Crimea for a holiday on my next visit in September. I have asked for details of her proposal but I am not sure how to handle her. Any advise is welcome on this one.
In general, Kiev is still fun and there are many pretty girls around. Somebody reported that Kiev is full of tourists. I am not sure about that. I was at the Caribbean club on a Monday night at 1am and I was the only patron in the club. I find the Ukranian girls emotional and warm in general but I also think they are some of the coldest women you would wish to meet. These girls have been through alot and do not get hurt easily emotionally. My most interesting memory of the trip was when two I saw two girls crying in a club as their dates had bailed on them and the girls were left with the bill to pay. The story seemed to be true; I gave them taxi money too. I think two weeks a bit too long to stay in Kiev for me becasuse of the simple fact that at my age, I can not have sex multiple times every day and party hard every night so a shorter stint maybe more appropriate for me. I do not like telling you this but the writing is on the wall; this party in ukraine as we know it, will change\end soon. My prediction to a friend of mine was 3-5 years back in may but after this trip, I am thinking closer to 3 years.
Have a good time all and be safe!Economic situation in ukraine is not getting better. Why do you think the party is going to over soon? How did you find Rio, where there any good quality girls for takeout?
Thank you
Poker,
Now is probably the worst time to be in Kiev. A lot of girls are back home in the village or on vacation.
In places like Rio the quality will be sorely effected. The top quality girls made enough money to vacation some where for the summer. September and May are the two best months.
Poker Player 2
07-29-12, 18:01
Thank you for your note. So noted, July is not the best of times to be in Kiev. The good news is that I am planning a trip in September as well and if you are going to be around, I would like to meet and discuss at least parts of the first chapter of your big black book on girls in Kiev one evening over a few drinks?
PM if you are going to be in Kiev in September; I am buying ofcourse.
Poker,
Now is probably the worst time to be in Kiev. A lot of girls are back home in the village or on vacation.
In places like Rio the quality will be sorely effected. The top quality girls made enough money to vacation some where for the summer. September and May are the two best months.
Get a good taxi driver and you should be ok. The other option is to follow the steps of the more experienced people (Climax, IrishLad, Prosal, Barba, Jojosun) to look for better deals like 800-1600 grivnas per night. But that calls for greater homework. This is my cost / benefit analysis for now.
CiaoMiscgk. Grazie, Thank You. But honstly you made me Blush with Embarrasement elevating me to the status of" the more experinced people ".
Secondly I don't do all nighters. Anywhere, Not even with Mrs JOJO. .
We sleep in different rooms, and if I had it my way I will sleep an an adjoining house. LOL .
But when I get a girl (semi pro of sorts or non pro) to stay all night in Kiev or at other places, I get another room for her in my Hotel.
I value My 8 hours Sleep and my own space and Bathroom a lot more than spending it with an all night girl.
They think its bizzare behaviour, but for me "Treat Them Mean, Keep Them Keen ".
Ciao.
I also went to massage salon Roksolona. Quite good. 2 girls 90 minutes for 800gr. 1 classic and 2 erotic massages.
Hope this helpsActually 2 of the best girls that I ever met in Kiev were in this Place.
I reported on one of them at the time 2009, giving even her name. I was a newbie to Kiev then and I guess a bit naive revealing too many details.
Got a real bollocking via Pm from a senior at the time. His argument was that every Fucker in Kiev will be heading to that place, resulting in higher prices for us.
The Moral of this side note, is that if you hype up a place too much, it would play to the advantage of the Establishment and not to the Monger. .
But then again if you don't report on places as you experience them, how would other mongers get to know about them?
Dunno.
I am sure Kiev's residents have their hidden gems there, and you wouldn't expect them to reveal all on the open Forum, would you?
Spot on.
The Euro 2012 pulled all the old working girls out from wherever they were hiding and the fanzone in Maidan was packed with girls all searching foreigners. The feedback is that the p4p girls didn't realize the football fans were more interested in football than sex. Many fans were couples too which reduced the market.
I am always surprised when the champions league is on how many girls still turn up at Arena bar. They don't get noticed until full time.
Prices have certainly dropped on Mamba.During a random trip to RP back in the day!
WG. Hello, sexy foreign man! Are you looking for hot girl?
Me. No, I'm here to watch the (American) football game.
WG. No, you want girl.
Me. No, really, football. Go away.
During a Superbowl RP Ho Down.
Me, on the phone after the game has ended. You still here?
WG. Yes.
Me. The game is over. Come down to the sports bar and lets go.
Chances are fairly good I will be in Kiev late August / Early September.
Thank you for your note. So noted, July is not the best of times to be in Kiev. The good news is that I am planning a trip in September as well and if you are going to be around, I would like to meet and discuss at least parts of the first chapter of your big black book on girls in Kiev one evening over a few drinks?
PM if you are going to be in Kiev in September; I am buying ofcourse.
Buddha Bar sucks.
The decor sucks.
The food sucks.
The girls suck (if you have enough money).
And apparently you suck for it being your favorite place to go.
I think the vapid Ukrainian airheads are over it too. It's been around for a few years.
Buddha Bar + Solid Gold + D'Lux = Noob.
Buddha Bar on Friday, from hell.
The only way to do a male HPV test is by taking a sample from your inner eye (as it were) and as Angus says for accurate Gonorrhea. Also don't panic if you have HPV. They say 80% of Americans over 35 have it.For males it's not a big deal. For females it can lead to cancer.
Looks like fun.
Kudos on going beyond Buddha Bar, Rio, D'Lux.
It's warm in Kiev now, and one of the best places to stay is the Bora Bora beach club on the Dniepr river banks. On the sand beach itself, there are many young women alone or with girlfriends. They are very open to initiating conversation. In the morning, the ratio of women to men ratio is often 4 to 5 times. At around 4pm, Kiev's golden youth come and fill up the rest pads around the swimming pools. Many young hotties. In the evening, it turns into a disco. And at 9am some are still dancing!
Wear bib overalls and a baseball cap. Or wear jean shorts, t shirt, baseball cap and sandals.
You will do great.
Any questions I ask is so that I can avoid appearing like a clueless American. That's what we're here for, correct? To educate ourselves. I asked how casual I could dress in a sea-side resort area, especially in the clubs; seems like a relevant question.
Regarding what to wear: in the brief time I've spent on the Ukraine boards, you guys make a lot of catty comments and insults about dressing and appearance.
That is an extremely effeminate and gay thing to do, in American culture. Just thought you might like to know that.
In any case, I will be in Odessa in a couple of weeks and will report back.
PS- Rarrr!
PPS- That is the sound of a cat hissing, which American men make to each other when someone else, usually a gay man or a woman, is making nasty comments about the appearance of others. It signals that there may be a fight between two women coming up, known as a "catfight."
You should have read the Odessa thread or RODs. It is all written there.
Odessa is a tough nut to crack. Lots of Russians on vacation, some have as much money if not (much) more than you, they speak the lingo and know the culture. Lots of sex tourists from Europe have been coming here for a long time. The girls know all this of course. The Pros will skin you alive and the good girls are going to tell you to go fuck yourself or. 'go away sex tourist'.
The "beach" at Odessa is nothing much to speak of. If you are thinking Miami Beach or any other nice beach, this is really not it.
Odessa is dirty and ugly. Beach will be occupied up to one inch of the waterline in general. Unless you can find a "public" beach which will smell bad and be covered in trash.
That said, Itaka is nice, people say Ibiza is the best but it's maybe like any other Ukranian / Russian type judgment, might be more expensive so it's "the best".
I saw a lot of clueless drunken Russian types in their above the knee jean shorts and flipflops going around to the clubs. I was dressed up, looked well off, no drinking. So of course, the cops stopped me to hassle me. Took my passport and held me for 10 minutes asking interminable questions like what my reason to be in France after Ukraine was and where I would be staying in France, etc. While the drunk Russians stumble around and get in fights.
So the answer to your question would seem to be that you are better off dressing to fit in with the crowd. Having just left Odessa, the crowd looked very young, very Russian. I didn't see anyone much who looked over 40 let alone in their 30s. Seemed to be a lineup of WGs at Itaka at the outdoor bar area, but kind of 6-7 ish. I was with some friends and when the girls went dancing got hit on by Germans and Italians on the dance floor and all were rejected.
Can't say I liked Odessa much. Hope your stay is better.
Gentleman Travel
07-30-12, 16:33
Ok I've done my homework and I've scrolled through the archives like anyone should.
But I still can't find Ukrainian women on Mamba. I want to find women in Kiev, Odessa and Crimea but all I can search for is women in my home country, USA. Help please!It is easy. In the Search "Location" box, it probably lists your home city, whatever you gave as your city in your profile.
Just click on the drop-down menu and click on "Select another city", it will then list a bunch of cities in your state or country.
But at the bottom of that box is "Back to regions", click on that and you get all other states / provinces.
Then click on "Back to countries", and THEN you finally get to pick Ukraine from the drop down menu and then you will go to oblasts, then cities.
Usually the most popular choices (Russian, Ukraine or Kiev, Odessa) are listed at the top of the menu.
You can stop any time and search all the girls in a country, oblast or city.
You should have read the Odessa thread or RODs. It is all written there.
Odessa is a tough nut to crack. Lots of Russians on vacation, some have as much money if not (much) more than you, they speak the lingo and know the culture. Lots of sex tourists from Europe have been coming here for a long time. The girls know all this of course. The Pros will skin you alive and the good girls are going to tell you to go fuck yourself or. 'go away sex tourist'.Resort beaches are not good places to find "needy girls".
Crown Comfort
07-30-12, 18:03
There may be another issue. When I recently travelled to UK, Mamba somehow blocked me from selecting any region other than UK, after dedecting my IP address location. I don't have such a problem back home, so maybe that's a similar issue with the US? Did anyone else ever had that.
BTW: of course you can remove that limitation by becoming a VIP member. Haha.
It is easy. In the Search "Location" box, it probably lists your home city, whatever you gave as your city in your profile.
Just click on the drop-down menu and click on "Select another city", it will then list a bunch of cities in your state or country.
But at the bottom of that box is "Back to regions", click on that and you get all other states / provinces.
Then click on "Back to countries", and THEN you finally get to pick Ukraine from the drop down menu and then you will go to oblasts, then cities.
Usually the most popular choices (Russian, Ukraine or Kiev, Odessa) are listed at the top of the menu.
You can stop any time and search all the girls in a country, oblast or city.
There may be another issue. When I recently travelled to UK, Mamba somehow blocked me from selecting any region other than UK, after dedecting my IP address location. I don't have such a problem back home, so maybe that's a similar issue with the US? Did anyone else ever had that.
BTW: of course you can remove that limitation by becoming a VIP member. Haha.Yes I have this problem when I use the notebook BUT NOT when I use a smart phone.
Something disturning are some complain messages from women in Mamba and threatened to block my account, it seems these are agencies because I use copy & paste
Chances are fairly good I will be in Kiev late August / Early September.Dear Cruiser, when I travel to Kiev, I experienced controls of my baggages and questions about the present I bring there. Is this a normal procedure for other members here? Of course I manage these controls paying USD 20 or 50 but is not nice because is time consuming and my contacts are waiting for me
Has anyone been able to meet with a girl through vkontakte?
I have got aproved as friend to a few but haven't asked anyone if they are interested in meeting when I come to Kiev.
Poker,
Now is probably the worst time to be in Kiev. A lot of girls are back home in the village or on vacation.
In places like Rio the quality will be sorely effected. The top quality girls made enough money to vacation some where for the summer. September and May are the two best months.I agree about may and September
Visit Kiev last month.
Met there the lovely Elena, contacted her by a datingsite.
Had wonderfull days with her, she's wild and sexy from the first moment.
I always take Euro Taxi (&1045; &1074; &1088; &1086; &1058; &1072; &1082; &1089; &1080. It is cheap. A ride in and around the center hardly costs more than 50 Gr. A ride from the center to the airport costs less than 200 Gr. They tell you the price on the phone in advance. So no hassle with the driver.
The procedure is the following: You call and tell them where you are and where you want to go. You also have to give them your phone number, they say they don't see it on their display. Then they quote the price and tell you not to hang up. Don't hang up even if it seems that they did. After they have found the car which is nearest to your place they pass the details to you (plate number etc.). Usually it is not an official taxi but a normal car. As soon as it has arrived, the driver calls you.
The dispachers don't speak English. If you don't speak Russian, you have to learn the numbers and the following words / sentences:
My address: moy adres.
I want to go to: ya hochu v
Dear Cruiser, when I travel to Kiev, I experienced controls of my baggages and questions about the present I bring there. Is this a normal procedure for other members here? Of course I manage these controls paying USD 20 or 50 but is not nice because is time consuming and my contacts are waiting for meThey use to control single non-Ukrainian men closer. Obviously there are quite a lot of guys bringing expensive gifts for the girls. They always ask me how much money I carry with me. Once they asked me if I am bringing shoes for a girl after having detected that I had shoes in the suitcase that had those things inside them that keep the shoes in shape. The shoes were mine. LOL. However, the whole procedure is now very simple compared to years ago. No more visa needed, no custom declaration form which one had to keep until leaving the country, and since a few months no more personal entry and exit form which one had to keep until leaving.
Visit Kiev last month.Met there the lovely Elena, contacted her by a datingsite. Had wonderfull days with her, she's wild and sexy from the first moment.And. Damage?
I always take Euro Taxi (&1045; &1074; &1088; &1086; &1058; &1072; &1082; &1089; &1080. It is cheap. A ride in and around the center hardly costs more than 50 Gr. A ride from the center to the airport costs less than 200 Gr. They tell you the price on the phone in advance. So no hassle with the driver.
The procedure is the following: You call and tell them where you are and where you want to go. You also have to give them your phone number, they say they don't see it on their display. Then they quote the price and tell you not to hang up. Don't hang up even if it seems that they did. After they have found the car which is nearest to your place they pass the details to you (plate number etc.). Usually it is not an official taxi but a normal car. As soon as it has arrived, the driver calls you.
The dispachers don't speak English. If you don't speak Russian, you have to learn the numbers and the following words / sentences:
My address: moy adres.
I want to go to: ya hochu vI used Bocc taxi google it.
Dispatchers speak Engilsh. They pre quote as well.
I agree about may and SeptemberNo one can disagree about May and September being the best months in Kiev and in a lot of places as well.
That said, my best month ever in Kiev was November 2009 during the height of the Flu Swine so called epedemic, or epedemy as they called it in Ukraine.
Ignored all public warnings about not going there, even ignored advise here from Seniors in the Know like Uke Boy, Gergiev. In fact I do recall Uke Boy posting here that he was flying away on a long holiday.
Got a Swine flu jab and few masks, got the card, had it translated to Russian (For A purpose) and headed on a nearly empty plane to Kiev.
Landed at an Airport virtually deserted by passengers, and all passport guys and women masked up. .
What can I tell you, even at River Palace I was calling the shots. My Epedimy card being the deal maker at prices unheard of before in RP.
Taliking about a Mongers market? . For a change it was me telling the girls No Kissing on the menu. .
November 2009, that was the Month that was Hyped up with a lot of misinformtion.
The winners were the pharmacutical companies and me being in Kiev at the right month.
"Harvard Takes it Back and Says Swine Flu was Oversold " Read the article.
Yeah, sex can be Undersold as well.
Where there is Muck, there is Gold.
I've never gotten hassled by customs or passport control in Ukraine.
The worse experience was Air Chance (France) delaying my luggage (twice) and then having to deal the local Swissport agents. I think both times it took me three days to get my checked luggage. One time the girl asked to see my ticket. I told her I had an eticket, she said she needed to see it. I told her, what are you crazy, it's an eticket, here is my baggage claim stub. She asked to see my eticket again and I told her to stop being silly. That was the end of it and she processed my form.
Dear Cruiser, when I travel to Kiev, I experienced controls of my baggages and questions about the present I bring there. Is this a normal procedure for other members here? Of course I manage these controls paying USD 20 or 50 but is not nice because is time consuming and my contacts are waiting for me
I've never gotten hassled by customs or passport control in Ukraine.
The worse experience was Air Chance (France) delaying my luggage (twice) and then having to deal the local Swissport agents. I think both times it took me three days to get my checked luggage. One time the girl asked to see my ticket. I told her I had an eticket, she said she needed to see it. I told her, what are you crazy, it's an eticket, here is my baggage claim stub. She asked to see my eticket again and I told her to stop being silly. That was the end of it and she processed my form.As weird as it can be, as nonsense as it appears, you are still supposed to be able to show a print print out of your e-ticket. Sad but true. This might apply at some immigration booth, for instance In reality the print out shows references (helpful to track itineraries and other data) usefule for baggage tracking and other purposes. As a minimum precaution I always have a copy of the e-ticket in my smart phone calendar (txt file) and often I have a file in the PC (less practical, I admit) either a scan of the print or a pdf of the original email.
It is easy. In the Search "Location" box, it probably lists your home city, whatever you gave as your city in your profile.
Just click on the drop-down menu and click on "Select another city", it will then list a bunch of cities in your state or country.
But at the bottom of that box is "Back to regions", click on that and you get all other states / provinces.
Then click on "Back to countries", and THEN you finally get to pick Ukraine from the drop down menu and then you will go to oblasts, then cities.
Usually the most popular choices (Russian, Ukraine or Kiev, Odessa) are listed at the top of the menu.
You can stop any time and search all the girls in a country, oblast or city.Thank you, it totally worked.
PedroToronja
08-04-12, 01:04
i've never gotten hassled by customs or passport control in ukraine.
the worse experience was air chance (france) delaying my luggage (twice) and then having to deal the local swissport agents. i think both times it took me three days to get my checked luggage. one time the girl asked to see my ticket. i told her i had an eticket, she said she needed to see it. i told her, what are you crazy, it's an eticket, here is my baggage claim stub. she asked to see my eticket again and i told her to stop being silly. that was the end of it and she processed my form.immigrations has always been very polite to me. the only question they ask is where you will stay. i stay in apartment, so i always say hyatt, they write it down and off i go. go always to the lines on the leftmost, those are for foreigners without visa needed. air france lost my luggage 3 times. the process to report lost luggage is slow, maybe 30 minutes and many copies of forms to sign. you better have a local phone number and know your address, as they will bring it to you. they give you a form with a phone number for you to call and check on your luggage, and it actually works. then it is customs and one machine to scan luggage. just walk by it, don't stop unless asked. don't look at them. just pretend to be talking on the phone and walk at normal pace, they will not stop you. if they do, they are very polite and they really don't want to give you a hard time. when they saw an iphone and an ipad in their boxes they asked me 'you are taking this back with you, right? ', inviting me to say 'yes' and that was it.
these people's bark is worst than their bite. they are serious and may appear intimidating, but they melt at the first smile. that was my experience with all in ukraine, even cops.
last week i was in a taxi going out of kiev some 40 minutes. the taxi driver had no idea where i needed to go and did not speak any english. i don't speak russian so i called the party that was waiting for me so they would give directions to the driver, and passed the phone to him. he was on the phone, distracted and did not stop at a zebra line with people crossing and other cars stopped at that point. he realized that and stepped on the brakes past the zebras and a cop signaled him to approach to the curve. the driver still had my phone to his face, lowered the window and although i have no idea what the cop asked him, the driver pointed at the phone as in 'sorry, i was distracted on the phone', so the cop signaled him to continue his way. aparently being distracted and almost running down a bunch of people because of talking while driving, is ok. the drive had a valid excuse lol.
taxi taking me to the airport at 5 am, passed d'lux and other clubs where people were starting to leave, a mile after that there was a bunch of cops stopping everyone, supposedly to check if they come out of the clubs drunk. he stopped my driver, he lowered the window and the cop asked 'are you drunk? ', to what my driver simply said 'no'. (the driver translated this later to me). so the cop signaled him to continue. amazing.
if anyone wants to begin go undestand the russian / ukrainian mentality, watch the hbo special 'exporting raymond', about the author of everyone loves raymond going to russia to produce a russian version of the series, which actually became # 1 in russia. his troubles with cultural differences and the craziness of that world is very well shown there. is worth it, you will [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in your pants laughing. it is a different world, i promise!
PedroToronja
08-04-12, 01:17
Has anyone been able to meet with a girl through vkontakte?
I have got aproved as friend to a few but haven't asked anyone if they are interested in meeting when I come to Kiev.I had no luck with VK although I invited many girls to chat. Mamba and SeekingArrangement did work for me, quite well actually. I always get an apartment for my GF and I and on some days I rent a second and I had even rented a third as some girls I brought from Odessa or Lviv, and had to put them somewhere. I have also used the hotel Royal the Paris at the Arena City complex, same building as Sky Bar, is not too expensive but clean.
The problem I have now is that my GF of 2 years is a solid 7. 5, sometimes an 8, and she really fucks the shit out of me, so I am left with little energy or interest in spending the time / money with more girls. It is sad, because there is nothing better than the 'first time' with almost any girl, the discovery, etc. I make plans in Mamba, chose from Top-modals, even Gia (tremendously photoshopped but some are good) , and then. I don't call them: getting another apartment or room, etc. Is just too complicated and the girl can be a dog.
Anyway, I am trying now for the 18 years old I mentioned, corresponding with her now and she is a 9. 5. I am doing the best I can, and she could be a replacement for my 'official' one (8 years younger) but it is not likely to happen. Since I am a bonafide Monger and I have the reputation and honor of my fellow mongers to protect, I will keep at it till I fall on my face or I get my face on her pussy for the Pride and Glory of the Mongers of the World!
I'm sure immigrations can ask to see your ticket, that would indeed be annoying.
All the Swissport rep needs to track my baggage is my baggage claim stub, which has the ticket number, baggage number and baggage scan code on it. The Ukrainian Swissport girl asking for my eticket was just Soviet silliness. In any first world country you would hand them the stub, they would scan it and everything they needed to know would pop up on their computer screen. Thanks to Air France I got to be a pro at delayed luggage in Kiev.
As weird as it can be, as nonsense as it appears, you are still supposed to be able to show a print print out of your e-ticket. Sad but true. This might apply at some immigration booth, for instance In reality the print out shows references (helpful to track itineraries and other data) usefule for baggage tracking and other purposes. As a minimum precaution I always have a copy of the e-ticket in my smart phone calendar (txt file) and often I have a file in the PC (less practical, I admit) either a scan of the print or a pdf of the original email.
Girls from Mamba a continuing to write me 500 Grivna or 100USD even though I don't search for those I believe are working.
However, several claims that it is their photos. I have tried to ask just out of interest. Here I see that posts about that mamba photos more or less are never true! Is it to be expected false photos from a mamba girl even if she has claimed that its her photos?
I have bee to Rio Club and seen that they have two floors with strip. Up at the bar, with 2 pooles, and a room inside with tables and 3 pools. There is also a stip room at the lowest floor.
However I heard that there should be 3 floors! Where is the third floor?
Which of the room are best?
Is there any differance in girls who are working in different rooms?
I only lost my baggage one time 2-3 years ago in all my trips and it was fuking Air France, I used Air France only 2 times
I was lucky it was on my return flight home, it too over 2 weeks for them to deliver to my home
Girls from Mamba a continuing to write me 500 Grivna or 100USD even though I don't search for those I believe are working.
However, several claims that it is their photos. I have tried to ask just out of interest. Here I see that posts about that mamba photos more or less are never true! Is it to be expected false photos from a mamba girl even if she has claimed that its her photos?Dear Tuggen, as I explained in a previous post, the girls advertising on mamba. Ru can be divided into two categories: (1) regular girls looking for normal dates, and (2) girls looking to receive money in exchange for sex, which includes professional prostitutes, escort agencies, girl apartments, as well as students or young women looking for economic support in the form of sponsorship and other semi-pro girls who will give it up for money.
With regard to the first category of normal girls looking for normal dates and friendship, it is more likely that true photos would be used, since the lie would be discovered at the first meeting and be a big negative to any hoped for relationship. Besides the first actual date would likely be preceded by additional exchange of photos and / or Skyping where the parties see each other and satisfy themselves that they want the other party on a date. Therefore, for these type of girls, the use of fake pictures runs counterproductive to their purpose, which is to advance a normal dating relationship.
On the other hand, the escort agencies and individual girls looking for money in exchange for sex, although there are some exceptions, have mostly taken to the practice of "bait and switch" which is to use a fake picture to lure the customer into booking the appointment with the escort, but switching the girl who actually arrives who will be whoever is available at the time, and not the girl in the picture you saw in the profile / ad, counting on the fact that the guy is very horny and will keep even a girl who is different than the photo as long as she looks good enough. Unfortunately, they often send girls who are much less good looking than the girl in the picture you saw in the profile. If that happens, just send the unappealing girls back with no more than 50 UAH taxi fare, if they ask for it, and if you want the agency to send you more girls. These type of girls have no interest in exposing their own lies, so they will say that they have no more photos to send you and promise you their pictures are 1000% true. Of course, you will only find out it was a lie when the escort shows up to your doorstep and you see it is a different girl than in the photo. Then you will have to make the choice of whether she is good enough looking to keep for a session, or not and will be sent back. These agencies and individuals have a good reason for using fake pictures of really hot girls, which is to get you to call them and make a booking, and using fake pictures is productive for their purpose.
So how does one recognize which category of girl each profile belongs to? Much has been written in the past, so read the thread. There have been some recent changes on the mamba. Ru site, which bear some additional comment. Currently, there are no longer very many ads in which a girl states In the "What I'm Looking For" part of the profile that she "offers sex for money" or "looking for a sponsor", although some girls have worked such information into other parts of their profiles. Instead, the choices are "Looking for: friendship, or dating, or travel". These are too innocuous and don't tell you anything. But if you see a 20 something year old girl "looking for a man from ages of 20 to 80" chances are she's looking for money for sex. If you see her looking for a man in a more age-appropriate range, like 20 to 30, she is more likely a regular girl looking for a guy. The other way to tell is by the initial response she sends, as in the case of an escort agency you will probably receive a response containing her services and / or rates per hour.
Your Rio questions can be answered by reviewing my reports referenced in Latexian's post in the Reports of Distinction thread all about Rio.
Happy Mongering, and do yourself a favor and read the thread going back at least a year or more, as it will pay off in the end.
LJ
CalgaryFleshma
08-05-12, 16:10
I enjoy the reports but am a little confused how things actually work in Kiev. I am flying in from Abu Dhabi (if you include Dubai) where it is Ramdan so the playground has literally lost the music (for now anyways).
Looking for Yoda to take me under their wings and show me the ways of the force out in Kiev. Otherwise I will end up being that Westerner who ends up paying top price or waking up in a bathtub full of ice missing a kidney. My roots trace back to the Ukraine but unforutnately don't speak the language (so likley look like a local but can't communicate.)
Can someone list the top 3 clubs to pick up some WGs and a handful of websites that actually work. Also a couple of WG friendly hotels would be good. Not looking to blow out the lights on this trip as it is just a quick escape.
Trying to figure out this Mamba website but can't get past the mobile number given my number is in the UAE. Any help would be appreciated! Anyone in town that time I would love to meet up for a beer or two.
Any help?
I was contacted by a mamba girl that uses pictures from a soft nude model. No offering sexs for money. I chatted with her for a long while and she tells she is looking for a true relationship and tells me a lot about her and her family and ask many questions.
I mostly hang in for a long while since I wanted to understand what it is about but I can't figure it out. Someone who is looking for a relationship would not use pictures of a nude model (only fully cothed pictures of course). Her stories didn't completely get along either.
I can just not understand this! May it be someone who just want to play games for fun in chatting? At the second chat she told me we should remove our profiles at mamba.
I had no luck with VK although I invited many girls to chat. Mamba and SeekingArrangement did work for me, quite well actually.I have now tried to approach several VK girls. All stated as single and had approved me as friend. I tried a brief story, giving some compliments and asked if the are interested to meet. No success. Either just no reply (most of them) or they blocked me. Probably not any point of getting friends first. To try this it is probaly better just to send PM to a couple of thousand girls. Perhaps net even look just for stated singles. Most don't give relationstatus anyway.
Mamba hasn't worked good either although I have contacted a huge number of girls. I mainly tried to get an ordinary date as is extremely difficult. I know guys who has a succesrate at about 1 of a 1000 tries and I have yet a long way to go to contact a 1000.
I have also tried to find 2 WG for a 3-some. This seems impossible. I have asked several of the WG:s that I get in contact with but no luck. Probably Ukrainian girls are not in to 3-somes (if the girls don't do each other it's not a 3-some its just sex with 2 girls).
Dear Tuggen, as I explained in a previous post, the girls advertising on mamba. Ru can be divided into two categories: (1) regular girls looking for normal dates, and (2) girls looking to receive money in exchange for sex, which includes professional prostitutes, escort agencies, girl apartments, as well as students or young women looking for economic support in the form of sponsorship and other semi-pro girls who will give it up for money.
With regard to the first category of normal girls looking for normal dates and friendship, it is more likely that true photos would be used, since the lie would be discovered at the first meeting and be a big negative to any hoped for relationship. Besides the first actual date would likely be preceded by additional exchange of photos and / or Skyping where the parties see each other and satisfy themselves that they want the other party on a date. Therefore, for these type of girls, the use of fake pictures runs counterproductive to their purpose, which is to advance a normal dating relationship.
On the other hand, the escort agencies and individual girls looking for money in exchange for sex, although there are some exceptions, have mostly taken to the practice of "bait and switch" which is to use a fake picture to lure the customer into booking the appointment with the escort, but switching the girl who actually arrives who will be whoever is available at the time, and not the girl in the picture you saw in the profile / ad, counting on the fact that the guy is very horny and will keep even a girl who is different than the photo as long as she looks good enough. Unfortunately, they often send girls who are much less good looking than the girl in the picture you saw in the profile. If that happens, just send the unappealing girls back with no more than 50 UAH taxi fare, if they ask for it, and if you want the agency to send you more girls. These type of girls have no interest in exposing their own lies, so they will say that they have no more photos to send you and promise you their pictures are 1000% true. Of course, you will only find out it was a lie when the escort shows up to your doorstep and you see it is a different girl than in the photo. Then you will have to make the choice of whether she is good enough looking to keep for a session, or not and will be sent back. These agencies and individuals have a good reason for using fake pictures of really hot girls, which is to get you to call them and make a booking, and using fake pictures is productive for their purpose.
So how does one recognize which category of girl each profile belongs to? Much has been written in the past, so read the thread. There have been some recent changes on the mamba. Ru site, which bear some additional comment. Currently, there are no longer very many ads in which a girl states In the "What I'm Looking For" part of the profile that she "offers sex for money" or "looking for a sponsor", although some girls have worked such information into other parts of their profiles. Instead, the choices are "Looking for: friendship, or dating, or travel". These are too innocuous and don't tell you anything. But if you see a 20 something year old girl "looking for a man from ages of 20 to 80" chances are she's looking for money for sex. If you see her looking for a man in a more age-appropriate range, like 20 to 30, she is more likely a regular girl looking for a guy. The other way to tell is by the initial response she sends, as in the case of an escort agency you will probably receive a response containing her services and / or rates per hour.
Your Rio questions can be answered by reviewing my reports referenced in Latexian's post in the Reports of Distinction thread all about Rio.
Happy Mongering, and do yourself a favor and read the thread going back at least a year or more, as it will pay off in the end.
LJI might just add two pointers; 1. Look at the background in their photos. Non working girls usually have a "normal","usuual","everyday" like background. 2. Look at the number of visits per day that hey have and there respons rate (at bottom of their portfolio) ; working girls usually have a high reply rate; while regular ones are more discriminating.
Excellent report
I'd rather walk than fly Air France again.
I only lost my baggage one time 2-3 years ago in all my trips and it was fuking Air France, I used Air France only 2 times.
I was lucky it was on my return flight home, it too over 2 weeks for them to deliver to my home
I had no luck with VK although I invited many girls to chat. Mamba and SeekingArrangement did work for me, quite well actually. I always get an apartment for my GF and I and on some days I rent a second and I had even rented a third as some girls I brought from Odessa or Lviv, and had to put them somewhere. I have also used the hotel Royal the Paris at the Arena City complex, same building as Sky Bar, is not too expensive but clean.
The problem I have now is that my GF of 2 years is a solid 7. 5, sometimes an 8, and she really fucks the shit out of me, so I am left with little energy or interest in spending the time / money with more girls. It is sad, because there is nothing better than the 'first time' with almost any girl, the discovery, etc. I make plans in Mamba, chose from Top-modals, even Gia (tremendously photoshopped but some are good) , and then. I don't call them: getting another apartment or room, etc. Is just too complicated and the girl can be a dog.
Anyway, I am trying now for the 18 years old I mentioned, corresponding with her now and she is a 9. 5. I am doing the best I can, and she could be a replacement for my 'official' one (8 years younger) but it is not likely to happen. Since I am a bonafide Monger and I have the reputation and honor of my fellow mongers to protect, I will keep at it till I fall on my face or I get my face on her pussy for the Pride and Glory of the Mongers of the World!As DrBlank writes, the photos of the girls who sell sex on Mamba are fake most of the time. In a six week stay I found some exceptions. Usually they were independant girls like Irina, blond. 18 according to her profile, who charges 500 Gr / h plus 100 for DATY. All of her photos are real.
Even speaking Russian, I had to invest a lot of time (I. E. I lost a lot of time.) I think for Dudes who don't speak Russian it is just frustrating as hell.
Ronaldinjo
08-05-12, 22:33
i have bee to rio club and seen that they have two floors with strip. Up at the bar, with 2 pooles, and a room inside with tables and 3 pools. There is also a stip room at the lowest floor.
However i heard that there should be 3 floors! Where is the third floor?
Which of the room are best?
Is there any differance in girls who are working in different rooms?hello tuggen, how did you find rio girls? Could you name best looking girls there?
Ok, I did it. I went in and changed my settings but it tells me in order to see the profiles of women from Ukraine, I have to be a real user. The problem is that I don't get my phone confirmations, so I can't become a real user this way. I did some researching and I found that becoming a VIP member, five bucks cost, you automatically become a real user. The problem is my visa does not work on the site. I phoned my ccard company and they said my card is fine and theres nothing else they can do. I now have tried paypal to get VIP status, but the process takes 6 to 8 business days, and I'd like to get things moving as I'm in Kiev in one weeks time. What do you think? Is there any way to get my real status? Or do I even need a real status? I just want to search the Ukraine hotties and start corresponding / escorts?
"Anyway, I am trying now for the 18 years old I mentioned, corresponding with her now and she is a 9. 5. I am doing the best I can, and she could be a replacement for my 'official' one (8 years younger) but it is not likely to happen. Since I am a bonafide Monger and I have the reputation and honor of my fellow mongers to protect, I will keep at it till I fall on my face or I get my face on her pussy for the Pride and Glory of the Mongers of the World![/QUOTE]"ello Pedro. You are doing a amazing job. I am curious since you seem to be rather experienced reading your posts. How does a 9. 5 look on your scale? Any example from the real world models, celebs or photo of ukrainian, Russian girls? I know these things are subjective but happy to get guidance from a experienced hand?
Kudos
i found that becoming a vip member, five bucks cost, you automatically become a real user. the problem is my visa does not work on the site. i phoned my ccard company and they said my card is fine and theres nothing else they can do. i now have tried paypal to get vip status, but the process takes 6 to 8 business days,?a pre paid visa card might speed up things for you. besides its safer to use on the net.
hello tuggen, how did you find rio girls? Could you name best looking girls there?Liljoey is on his way to Kiev. Can't you wait till then? LOL.
july 27, 2012.
arrived to kiev around 5pm and had a car from the hyatt waiting for me to take me to the hotel. nice hotel in the center with spacious and clean rooms but expensive (330 euro / night).
i had pre-arranged a meeting with my semi-pro girl since it was my first time in kiev and i read at isg that kiev was slow in late july and august. she is a manger at a jewelry store and now opened her own business too so she had not have time to roam the clubs and did not have sex for a while which was great.
we met for dinner and i had forgotten how beautiful she is that i almost did not recognize her. again dinner was very expensive $200+. finished dinner and off to the room and she was smoking hot and supper wet; daty, sex in all position, and would not release me till she came several times. she was so great that i decided to repeat the second day.
july 28, 2012.
she left early to work but took half a day off and came back at 1 pm to act as my tour guide. she drove me around the city since it was too hot to walk and we went off at all the important attractions.
finished touring so she went home to change and i took a shower and nap waiting for dinner around 10 then back to the hotel and she was even hotter than the night before but this time and after the first hot session i insisted on bbbj and cim which she happily obliged. her bbbj skills are incredible and she rates no. 2 on the long list of bj artists.
total damage for the 2 days: $1, 000.
july 29, 2012.
after breakfast, i decided to check out rakuena massage parlor so i walked to their location that was very difficult to find and when i finally arrived, they would not open the door till i called to let them know that i am coming without an appointment.
i went downstairs through a number of doors and was greeted by a girl who led me to a room then only 2 masseuses showed up (a blond and brunette) claiming that they are busy and i did not have an appointment but they both looked nice so i did not mind; i picked the blond since she spoke better english and chose a 1. 5 hour erotic massage for 800 grivnas. allis (i think) started with an erotic massage and hj till i cam (30 minutes) , proceeded to a classic massage that was ok (30 minutes) , then wanted to do another erotic massage and started to play with my dick and balls but i stopped her since i had no intention of blowing another load after all the sex i had the last 2 days and knowing what coming in the evening so i offered to give her a massage instead, she was shocked and agreed. so i spent the next 30 minutes massaging her great body, playing with her breasts, ass, and pussy. she would not allow me to stick my fingers in her ass or pussy but everything else was allowed. she did not ask for any tip and none was offered.
since it was a sunday, i called upon a highly referred escort from escortnews. eu (nata) who happened to be in kiev since she has moved to istanbul. she arrived at the hotel at 9pm, she was exactly as advertised, and looked absolutely great. went to dinner and it was strange that despite her beauty i was not all that excited but i thought it due to having a lot of sex in the last couple of days till she told me her birthday and we were born in the exact same day but different years off course. that all changer we arrived to the hotel room as she was a hot kitten and started by caressing her nipples and clit with a small vibrator at full site which was exciting then on to bbbj, daty (she did not seem to enjoy but allowed) , cow girl, then we both came reverse cowgirl with a great view of her ass. it was getting late so we went to sleep but asked me to have sex with her at night if i felt like it and i obliged around 6am and i was very exciting playing with these firm large breast, ass, and pussy while she was or pretended to be half asleep then sex missionary till i came and went back to sleep a happy camper.
we woke up around 10am and her vibrator had run out of battery so she warned me that i had to arouse her which i happily obliged and she returned the favor by a long slow bbbj then doggy style in various heights and speed till i came.
we went out to breakfast near the hotel and she insisted on paying then showed me to a legit massage parlor and i reserved a massage in a few hours and went on to walk around kiev and it was scorching hot. got to the massage around 2:30 and had a great 1. 5 hour massage from 2 masseuses from bali with no extra based on my request.
total damage for nata : 400 euro.
july 30, 2012.
went back to the hotel and after the massage for my usual nap, i really wanted to call another escort from escortnews. eu but i could not leave kiev without checking the other night spot so i decided to check out buddha bar.
arrived to buddha around 9:30 and it was not busy but there were a few tables with girls but none responded to my eye contact so i ordered dinner and waited for a while but the situation did not improve so i bolted out and decided to check out sky bar that was recommended by the girl from rakuena massage. upon arrival, the bouncer told me that it was karaoke night and it is not worth it for me to go up so i headed to the famous rio.
i was surprised that the place was busy with no free tables and i was finally given a table in the room to right of the main entrance with 3 poles. the girls looked ok but the show was boring; i was really in the mood for an athletic brunette and it was all over when i spotted naomi. i called her to the table and she apologized that she had to give a lap dance first then she will come so i ordered another drink and waited for her while watching the show for the second time. she came over, was very nice, her english was limited, but i did not care since i felt good chemistry. she asked for the usual $300 for 3 hours and i had to pay it in the club (glad to have some cash) , she got changed, and off we went.
i could not wait to get to the room to start playing with that great young body and she appeared to be excited too. she refused to kiss at first but after some daty where she came wildly, everything changed and she was now kissing me. she put on a condom and proceeded with cbj, had sex in all position till i came. we both showered again, preceded to massage each other's in preparation for the second round. again cbj and she really had a difficult time getting me hard since i had too much sex and i hate cbj but she insisted and i was not in the mood for arguing then proceeded to fuck doggy style and at full thrust position she was not comfortable and maybe hurting a bit so we changed to missionary style and she proceeded with massaging her clit which i love to watch so i held back till she came then went full thrust again till i blew my last load of the trip. by the time we showered, hugged, and kissed; the 3 hours were over. i tried to convince her to stay the night but she explained that it is impossible since she has to go back to check out from the club that was sucks since i really wanted to have another morning session with her. she explained that she gets $150 and rio gets $150 that seems fair.
all in all it was a wonderful trip and worth repeating. i think ukraine is one of the best mongering destinations especially since the girls are so pretty and are not too expensive but the country itself and hotels are very expensive and comparable to some of the most expensive cities in europe.
Ronaldinjo
08-06-12, 13:35
july 27, 2012.
arrived to kiev around 5pm and had a car from the hyatt waiting for me to take me to the hotel. nice hotel in the center with spacious and clean rooms but expensive (330 euro / night).
i had pre-arranged a meeting with my semi-pro girl since it was my first time in kiev and i read at isg that kiev was slow in late july and august. she is a manger at a jewelry store and now opened her own business too so she had not have time to roam the clubs and did not have sex for a while which was great.
we met for dinner and i had forgotten how beautiful she is that i almost did not recognize her. again dinner was very expensive $200+. finished dinner and off to the room and she was smoking hot and supper wet; daty, sex in all position, and would not release me till she came several times. she was so great that i decided to repeat the second day.
july 28, 2012.
she left early to work but took half a day off and came back at 1 pm to act as my tour guide. she drove me around the city since it was too hot to walk and we went off at all the important attractions.
finished touring so she went home to change and i took a shower and nap waiting for dinner around 10 then back to the hotel and she was even hotter than the night before but this time and after the first hot session i insisted on bbbj and cim which she happily obliged. her bbbj skills are incredible and she rates no. 2 on the long list of bj artists.
total damage for the 2 days: $1, 000.
july 29, 2012.
after breakfast, i decided to check out rakuena massage parlor so i walked to their location that was very difficult to find and when i finally arrived, they would not open the door till i called to let them know that i am coming without an appointment.
i went downstairs through a number of doors and was greeted by a girl who led me to a room then only 2 masseuses showed up (a blond and brunette) claiming that they are busy and i did not have an appointment but they both looked nice so i did not mind; i picked the blond since she spoke better english and chose a 1. 5 hour erotic massage for 800 grivnas. allis (i think) started with an erotic massage and hj till i cam (30 minutes) , proceeded to a classic massage that was ok (30 minutes) , then wanted to do another erotic massage and started to play with my dick and balls but i stopped her since i had no intention of blowing another load after all the sex i had the last 2 days and knowing what coming in the evening so i offered to give her a massage instead, she was shocked and agreed. so i spent the next 30 minutes massaging her great body, playing with her breasts, ass, and pussy. she would not allow me to stick my fingers in her ass or pussy but everything else was allowed. she did not ask for any tip and none was offered.
since it was a sunday, i called upon a highly referred escort from escortnews. eu (nata) who happened to be in kiev since she has moved to istanbul. she arrived at the hotel at 9pm, she was exactly as advertised, and looked absolutely great. went to dinner and it was strange that despite her beauty i was not all that excited but i thought it due to having a lot of sex in the last couple of days till she told me her birthday and we were born in the exact same day but different years off course. that all changer we arrived to the hotel room as she was a hot kitten and started by caressing her nipples and clit with a small vibrator at full site which was exciting then on to bbbj, daty (she did not seem to enjoy but allowed) , cow girl, then we both came reverse cowgirl with a great view of her ass. it was getting late so we went to sleep but asked me to have sex with her at night if i felt like it and i obliged around 6am and i was very exciting playing with these firm large breast, ass, and pussy while she was or pretended to be half asleep then sex missionary till i came and went back to sleep a happy camper.
we woke up around 10am and her vibrator had run out of battery so she warned me that i had to arouse her which i happily obliged and she returned the favor by a long slow bbbj then doggy style in various heights and speed till i came.
we went out to breakfast near the hotel and she insisted on paying then showed me to a legit massage parlor and i reserved a massage in a few hours and went on to walk around kiev and it was scorching hot. got to the massage around 2:30 and had a great 1. 5 hour massage from 2 masseuses from bali with no extra based on my request.
total damage for nata : 400 euro.
july 30, 2012.
went back to the hotel and after the massage for my usual nap, i really wanted to call another escort from escortnews. eu but i could not leave kiev without checking the other night spot so i decided to check out buddha bar.
arrived to buddha around 9:30 and it was not busy but there were a few tables with girls but none responded to my eye contact so i ordered dinner and waited for a while but the situation did not improve so i bolted out and decided to check out sky bar that was recommended by the girl from rakuena massage. upon arrival, the bouncer told me that it was karaoke night and it is not worth it for me to go up so i headed to the famous rio.
i was surprised that the place was busy with no free tables and i was finally given a table in the room to right of the main entrance with 3 poles. the girls looked ok but the show was boring; i was really in the mood for an athletic brunette and it was all over when i spotted naomi. i called her to the table and she apologized that she had to give a lap dance first then she will come so i ordered another drink and waited for her while watching the show for the second time. she came over, was very nice, her english was limited, but i did not care since i felt good chemistry. she asked for the usual $300 for 3 hours and i had to pay it in the club (glad to have some cash) , she got changed, and off we went.
i could not wait to get to the room to start playing with that great young body and she appeared to be excited too. she refused to kiss at first but after some daty where she came wildly, everything changed and she was now kissing me. she put on a condom and proceeded with cbj, had sex in all position till i came. we both showered again, preceded to massage each other's in preparation for the second round. again cbj and she really had a difficult time getting me hard since i had too much sex and i hate cbj but she insisted and i was not in the mood for arguing then proceeded to fuck doggy style and at full thrust position she was not comfortable and maybe hurting a bit so we changed to missionary style and she proceeded with massaging her clit which i love to watch so i held back till she came then went full thrust again till i blew my last load of the trip. by the time we showered, hugged, and kissed; the 3 hours were over. i tried to convince her to stay the night but she explained that it is impossible since she has to go back to check out from the club that was sucks since i really wanted to have another morning session with her. she explained that she gets $150 and rio gets $150 that seems fair.
all in all it was a wonderful trip and worth repeating. i think ukraine is one of the best mongering destinations especially since the girls are so pretty and are not too expensive but the country itself and hotels are very expensive and comparable to some of the most expensive cities in europe.nice to read such informative report and great time you had. where from did you get you semi pro hot girl? vkontakte, mamba or other source? hoe did you manage to meet her? with respect, ronaldinho
PedroToronja
08-06-12, 15:43
Girls from Mamba a continuing to write me 500 Grivna or 100USD even though I don't search for those I believe are working.
However, several claims that it is their photos. I have tried to ask just out of interest. Here I see that posts about that mamba photos more or less are never true! Is it to be expected false photos from a mamba girl even if she has claimed that its her photos?Yes, they are mostly true.
PedroToronja
08-06-12, 15:51
Ok, I did it. I went in and changed my settings but it tells me in order to see the profiles of women from Ukraine, I have to be a real user. The problem is that I don't get my phone confirmations, so I can't become a real user this way. I did some researching and I found that becoming a VIP member, five bucks cost, you automatically become a real user. The problem is my visa does not work on the site. I phoned my ccard company and they said my card is fine and theres nothing else they can do. I now have tried paypal to get VIP status, but the process takes 6 to 8 business days, and I'd like to get things moving as I'm in Kiev in one weeks time. What do you think? Is there any way to get my real status? Or do I even need a real status? I just want to search the Ukraine hotties and start corresponding / escorts?Bring with you an unlocked GSM phone, buy a SIM card with an UA phone number once in Kiev, it takes little cost and no time. Ask for your real status with your UA number, get the txt with the code, enter into Mamba and voila! You are real.
PedroToronja
08-06-12, 16:06
july 27, 2012.
arrived to kiev around 5pm and had a car from the hyatt waiting for me to take me to the hotel. nice hotel in the center with spacious and clean rooms but expensive (330 euro / night).
i had pre-arranged a meeting with my semi-pro girl since it was my first time in kiev and i read at isg that kiev was slow in late july and august. she is a manger at a jewelry store and now opened her own business too so she had not have time to roam the clubs and did not have sex for a while which was great.
we met for dinner and i had forgotten how beautiful she is that i almost did not recognize her. again dinner was very expensive $200+. finished dinner and off to the room and she was smoking hot and supper wet; daty, sex in all position, and would not release me till she came several times. she was so great that i decided to repeat the second day.
july 28, 2012.
she left early to work but took half a day off and came back at 1 pm to act as my tour guide. she drove me around the city since it was too hot to walk and we went off at all the important attractions.
finished touring so she went home to change and i took a shower and nap waiting for dinner around 10 then back to the hotel and she was even hotter than the night before but this time and after the first hot session i insisted on bbbj and cim which she happily obliged. her bbbj skills are incredible and she rates no. 2 on the long list of bj artists.
total damage for the 2 days: $1, 000.
july 29, 2012.
after breakfast, i decided to check out rakuena massage parlor so i walked to their location that was very difficult to find and when i finally arrived, they would not open the door till i called to let them know that i am coming without an appointment.
i went downstairs through a number of doors and was greeted by a girl who led me to a room then only 2 masseuses showed up (a blond and brunette) claiming that they are busy and i did not have an appointment but they both looked nice so i did not mind; i picked the blond since she spoke better english and chose a 1. 5 hour erotic massage for 800 grivnas. allis (i think) started with an erotic massage and hj till i cam (30 minutes) , proceeded to a classic massage that was ok (30 minutes) , then wanted to do another erotic massage and started to play with my dick and balls but i stopped her since i had no intention of blowing another load after all the sex i had the last 2 days and knowing what coming in the evening so i offered to give her a massage instead, she was shocked and agreed. so i spent the next 30 minutes massaging her great body, playing with her breasts, ass, and pussy. she would not allow me to stick my fingers in her ass or pussy but everything else was allowed. she did not ask for any tip and none was offered.
since it was a sunday, i called upon a highly referred escort from escortnews. eu (nata) who happened to be in kiev since she has moved to istanbul. she arrived at the hotel at 9pm, she was exactly as advertised, and looked absolutely great. went to dinner and it was strange that despite her beauty i was not all that excited but i thought it due to having a lot of sex in the last couple of days till she told me her birthday and we were born in the exact same day but different years off course. that all changer we arrived to the hotel room as she was a hot kitten and started by caressing her nipples and clit with a small vibrator at full site which was exciting then on to bbbj, daty (she did not seem to enjoy but allowed) , cow girl, then we both came reverse cowgirl with a great view of her ass. it was getting late so we went to sleep but asked me to have sex with her at night if i felt like it and i obliged around 6am and i was very exciting playing with these firm large breast, ass, and pussy while she was or pretended to be half asleep then sex missionary till i came and went back to sleep a happy camper.
we woke up around 10am and her vibrator had run out of battery so she warned me that i had to arouse her which i happily obliged and she returned the favor by a long slow bbbj then doggy style in various heights and speed till i came.
we went out to breakfast near the hotel and she insisted on paying then showed me to a legit massage parlor and i reserved a massage in a few hours and went on to walk around kiev and it was scorching hot. got to the massage around 2:30 and had a great 1. 5 hour massage from 2 masseuses from bali with no extra based on my request.
total damage for nata : 400 euro.
july 30, 2012.
went back to the hotel and after the massage for my usual nap, i really wanted to call another escort from escortnews. eu but i could not leave kiev without checking the other night spot so i decided to check out buddha bar.
arrived to buddha around 9:30 and it was not busy but there were a few tables with girls but none responded to my eye contact so i ordered dinner and waited for a while but the situation did not improve so i bolted out and decided to check out sky bar that was recommended by the girl from rakuena massage. upon arrival, the bouncer told me that it was karaoke night and it is not worth it for me to go up so i headed to the famous rio.
i was surprised that the place was busy with no free tables and i was finally given a table in the room to right of the main entrance with 3 poles. the girls looked ok but the show was boring; i was really in the mood for an athletic brunette and it was all over when i spotted naomi. i called her to the table and she apologized that she had to give a lap dance first then she will come so i ordered another drink and waited for her while watching the show for the second time. she came over, was very nice, her english was limited, but i did not care since i felt good chemistry. she asked for the usual $300 for 3 hours and i had to pay it in the club (glad to have some cash) , she got changed, and off we went.
i could not wait to get to the room to start playing with that great young body and she appeared to be excited too. she refused to kiss at first but after some daty where she came wildly, everything changed and she was now kissing me. she put on a condom and proceeded with cbj, had sex in all position till i came. we both showered again, preceded to massage each other's in preparation for the second round. again cbj and she really had a difficult time getting me hard since i had too much sex and i hate cbj but she insisted and i was not in the mood for arguing then proceeded to fuck doggy style and at full thrust position she was not comfortable and maybe hurting a bit so we changed to missionary style and she proceeded with massaging her clit which i love to watch so i held back till she came then went full thrust again till i blew my last load of the trip. by the time we showered, hugged, and kissed; the 3 hours were over. i tried to convince her to stay the night but she explained that it is impossible since she has to go back to check out from the club that was sucks since i really wanted to have another morning session with her. she explained that she gets $150 and rio gets $150 that seems fair.
all in all it was a wonderful trip and worth repeating. i think ukraine is one of the best mongering destinations especially since the girls are so pretty and are not too expensive but the country itself and hotels are very expensive and comparable to some of the most expensive cities in europe.buddah bar gets busy by midnight, and the girls hang by the bar upstairs. i saw some nines and tens there. i am sure they are very expensive.
as for hotel, next time i suggest you stay in rented apartment instead, for 1/3 of the price.
regarding the girl with the jewelry store, can you give us a hint of how to locate her? i would love to meet her!
you had a great week, congratulations!
Yes, they are mostly true.My experience during a recent 6-weeks-stay with working girls was totally different. You can't trust statements like "photos are 100 % real" or "photos are mine, don't ask, it's annoying". Many girls or the operators / agencies lie in the profile, in mails they send you and even on the phone. Photos often show very beautiful girls, they are just too good to be true. You can not get such girls for the the quoted prices like 600 or 800 Gr.
Which do you think is better. Apartments or hotel?
I always use Hotel when I'm in Kiev. It seems as apartments in general are more expensive than Hotel.
The best of the cheap hotels I have stayed in is Hotel Rus at about $75 a night. I would not say it very good but OK compared to lets say Dnipro or Ukraine. However I think a double room would be closing up to an apartment in price.
Appartments as Kievinn or Senator-apartments is at least about $130 a night with possible discount for longer stays.
For a quite good appartment complex I could pay a little more than the hotel but not way beyond.
Anyone has recomendations of OK to good apartments and hotels to reasonable price.
Buddah bar gets busy by midnight, and the girls hang by the bar upstairs. I saw some nines and tens there. I am sure they are very expensive.
As for hotel, next time I suggest you stay in rented apartment instead, for 1/3 of the price.
Regarding the girl with the jewelry store, can you give us a hint of how to locate her? I would love to meet her!
You had a great week, congratulations!I am always worried about staying in a rented apartment since I carry lots of cash to avoid being tracked through my credit card and I am afraid these apartments will not have a safe.
I had requests in the past to share the information of the jewelry store girl and when I inquired with her, she refused. I had shared many contacts in the past with fellow ISG members but only after getting the girls OK.
Nice to read such informative report and great time you had. Where from did you get you semi pro hot girl? Vkontakte, mamba or other source? Hoe did you manage to meet her? With respect, ronaldinhoI have collected Ukrainian girls contacts through the years, stayed in contact via email, and usually would ask them to refer a friend if they're busy during my trip / s in return for a small tip. I had met her last year to Odessa when she was referred by one of my favorite girls who was busy at the time. I have set the price of $500 per day but will usually release the girl in the morning unless we are in a trip together then she we stay together the whole time.
I don't have enough time to use the dating web sites since my trips are usually 3-4 days.
since it was a sunday, i called upon a highly referred escort from escortnews. eu (nata) who happened to be in kiev since she has moved to istanbul. she arrived at the hotel at 9pm, she was exactly as advertised, and looked absolutely great. went to dinner and it was strange that despite her beauty i was not all that excited but i thought it due to having a lot of sex in the last couple of days till she told me her birthday and we were born in the exact same day but different years off course. that all changer we arrived to the hotel room as she was a hot kitten and started by caressing her nipples and clit with a small vibrator at full site which was exciting then on to bbbj, daty (she did not seem to enjoy but allowed) , cow girl, then we both came reverse cowgirl with a great view of her ass. it was getting late so we went to sleep but asked me to have sex with her at night if i felt like it and i obliged around 6am and i was very exciting playing with these firm large breast, ass, and pussy while she was or pretended to be half asleep then sex missionary till i came and went back to sleep a happy camper.
we woke up around 10am and her vibrator had run out of battery so she warned me that i had to arouse her which i happily obliged and she returned the favor by a long slow bbbj then doggy style in various heights and speed till i came.
we went out to breakfast near the hotel and she insisted on paying then showed me to a legit massage parlor and i reserved a massage in a few hours and went on to walk around kiev and it was scorching hot. got to the massage around 2:30 and had a great 1. 5 hour massage from 2 masseuses from bali with no extra based on my request.
total damage for nata : 400 euro.hi samata61,
good report. it seems you are comfortable with the very high end of p4p ladies of the highest quality. upon reading your report, i looked at the escort website you mentioned, namely, www.escortnews.eu, and was very impressed by the good looks of the escorts photos there. i actually recognize a couple of the ladies whose photos are on the escortnews. eu website, as being some of the girls i had actually been with, or wanted to be with, from the old vodka escort. com website. you remarked that the young lady you had chosen was "nata" and that she arrived at your room appearing just as she was pictured. that's good news if they ate using true pics. vodkaescort. com used true (albeit very photoshopped) pics also. and there are not enough escort websites that use true pics, even with blurred faces. so this is good to hear there is another true picture website operating that serves kiev.
however, i looked at the prices they ate asking for these hot girls and they are through the roof! 200 euro for 1 hour. 350 euro for 2 hours. 500 euro for 3 hours. 900 euro for the night. there were three girls with the name "nata" on the website, all charging very high rates. yet you report an overnight stay with nata from escortnews. eu at a total of 400 euro cost?
something doesn't add up.
could you please explain what amount of time you booked and how much you were actually charged? and if there rates are very negotiable, please let us know how and what. i was successful in the past of negotiating with vodkaescort. com to get them to agree to charge me no more than the $300/3 hour rate i told them i was paying at strip clubs for hotter girls than they had. but 400 euro for a full overnight with multiple shots and a delightful experience such as you have described, seems to be too steep a discount off their prices. unless they realize how unreasonable those prices are for this economy and in kiev, and they are being reasonable about it. either way, it's very important information for those, such as myself, looking for an alternative to strip clubs and gia-escort. com. at one point i was using, as i mentioned, but they went out of business. i recently found their website up and running again, but only with girls photos who are based in st petersburg, not in ukraine. is there any connection of the two companies? i'm wondering, since i see a few if the same girls. any insights?
lj
Natalia is a lot of fun.
I'm curious, why do you come to Kiev when with the money you spent you could have the same time in any city?
July 27, 2012.
Total damage for Nata : 400 Euro.
I know about 10-15 words of Russian. Using mamba has never been an issue for me, I have had great success.
As DrBlank writes, the photos of the girls who sell sex on Mamba are fake most of the time. In a six week stay I found some exceptions. Usually they were independant girls like Irina, blond. 18 according to her profile, who charges 500 Gr / h plus 100 for DATY. All of her photos are real.
Even speaking Russian, I had to invest a lot of time (I. E. I lost a lot of time.) I think for Dudes who don't speak Russian it is just frustrating as hell.
My experience during a recent 6-weeks-stay with working girls was totally different. You can't trust statements like "photos are 100 % real" or "photos are mine, don't ask, it's annoying". Many girls or the operators / agencies lie in the profile, in mails they send you and even on the phone. Photos often show very beautiful girls, they are just too good to be true. You can not get such girls for the the quoted prices like 600 or 800 Gr.Guys, it's not necessary to start this silly argument about whether mamba. Ru pictures are mostly true or mostly fake. Both assertions are true. How can this be? I've explained this several times. Why don't you guys get it? Regular girls who are looking for normal dates are using true pictures because to use fake pictures would be silly in this context when at the first date, or even at the first time the parties Skype, the lie would be exposed, and it risks ruining the beginning of the relationship that was desired. However, prostitutes and escort agencies and other girls trying to get money for sex are using mostly fake pictures of very beautiful girls to help them lure customers to book appointments with them, and even though their lie will be exposed when they show up at the customer's door and it is obvious they are not the girl in the profile photos, they have achieved their purpose, which was to get their foot into your door, as any salesman would like to do, and then they hope that the customer is horny enough to just take them for sex instead."bait and switch" tactics usually work in these circumstances If the girl looks good enough and the customer is horny enough for sex. The escort agencies that use bait and switch tactics think it is a good idea, because it usually works, and they know they wouldn't have gotten the call and the extra business without using these dishonest tactics.
And yes There are individual prostitute girls who are exceptions to this approach and who ate using their own photos. I encountered two of them myself in 2010 (Natasha and Stesha on top-modals. Com) and one last year (Linda on mamba. Ru) , so I know it happens. Others have reported additional instances.
But for the most part, the majority of reported experience on this thread, when it comes to the Working Girl type of profile (not the regular girl type of profile) is that fake photos were used and girls different than the photos were showing up at appointments. Just read the last year or two of reports on this thread and satisfy yourselves that this statement is correct as to the majority of reports on this thread. And if the majority of reported experience on this thread is that Working Girls seeking money for sex on mamba were mostly using fake pictures, it follows that that is what the majority of Working Girls were in fact doing.
Why then does Pedro say what he says now and Pimpa say what he says in contradiction? I'm sure both are honestly reporting the facts as they experienced them. However, the key is to understand that each of their experiences were more limited than the whole. I don't believe Pedro was focusing on finding the hard core prostitutes and escort agencies offering pay for play (p4p) on mamba, but rather more the regular girl type or maybe semi-pro interested him. I don't recall and haven't researched all his prior posts. But this is likely the reason that he mostly encountered girls using true pictures, since they were profiles meant to attract regular dates. On the other hand, Pimpa's experience with the prostitute girls and escort agencies seeking customers for money for sex that they were offering, that mostly fake pictures were being used, is entirely consistent with prior reported experience with such types of girls advertising on mamba. Ru over the past several years.
Therefore, Pedro and Pimpa are not speaking about the same type of girls, and there is no real argument. Each is reporting about the habits of different types of girls in their limited experience.
LJ
since it was a sunday, i called upon a highly referred escort from escortnews. eu (nata) who happened to be in kiev since she has moved to istanbul. she arrived at the hotel at 9pm, she was exactly as advertised, and looked absolutely great. went to dinner and it was strange that despite her beauty i was not all that excited but i thought it due to having a lot of sex in the last couple of days till she told me her birthday and we were born in the exact same day but different years off course. that all changer we arrived to the hotel room as she was a hot kitten and started by caressing her nipples and clit with a small vibrator at full site which was exciting then on to bbbj, daty (she did not seem to enjoy but allowed) , cow girl, then we both came reverse cowgirl with a great view of her ass. it was getting late so we went to sleep but asked me to have sex with her at night if i felt like it and i obliged around 6am and i was very exciting playing with these firm large breast, ass, and pussy while she was or pretended to be half asleep then sex missionary till i came and went back to sleep a happy camper.
we woke up around 10am and her vibrator had run out of battery so she warned me that i had to arouse her which i happily obliged and she returned the favor by a long slow bbbj then doggy style in various heights and speed till i came.
we went out to breakfast near the hotel and she insisted on paying then showed me to a legit massage parlor and i reserved a massage in a few hours and went on to walk around kiev and it was scorching hot. got to the massage around 2:30 and had a great 1. 5 hour massage from 2 masseuses from bali with no extra based on my request.
total damage for nata : 400 euro.hi samata61,
good report. it seems you are comfortable with the very high end of p4p ladies of the highest quality. upon reading your report, i looked at the escort website you mentioned, namely, www.escortnews.eu, and was very impressed by the good looks of the escorts photos there. i actually recognize a couple of the ladies whose photos are on the escortnews. eu website, as being some of the girls i had actually been with, or wanted to be with, from the old vodkaescort. com website. you remarked that the young lady you had chosen was "nata" and that she arrived at your room appearing just as she was pictured. that's good news if they are using true pics. vodkaescort. com used true (albeit very photoshopped) pics also. and there are not enough escort websites that use true pics, even with blurred faces. so this is good to hear there is another true picture website operating that serves kiev.
however, i looked at the prices they are asking for these hot girls and they are through the roof! 200 euro for 1 hour. 350 euro for 2 hours. 500 euro for 3 hours. 900 euro for the night. there were three girls with the name "nata" on the website, all charging very high rates. yet you report an overnight stay with nata from escortnews. eu at a total of 400 euro cost?
something doesn't add up.
could you please explain what amount of time you booked and how much you were actually charged? and if there rates are very negotiable, please let us know how and what. i was successful in the past of negotiating with vodkaescort. com to get them to agree to charge me no more than the $300/3 hour rate i told them i was paying at strip clubs for hotter girls than they had. but 400 euro for a full overnight with multiple shots and a delightful experience such as you have described, seems to be too steep a discount off their prices. unless they realize how unreasonable those prices are for this economy and in kiev, and they are being reasonable about it. either way, it's very important information for those, such as myself, who could benefit from the existence of a good alternative to strip clubs and gia-escort. com.
at one point i was using vodkaescort. com, as i mentioned, but they went out of business. i recently found their website up and running again, but only with girls photos who are based in st petersburg, not in ukraine. is there any connection of the two companies? i'm wondering, since i see a few of the same girls from vodka on the escortnews. eu website? any insights?
lj
Natalia is a lot of fun.
I'm curious, why do you come to Kiev when with the money you spent you could have the same time in any city?Actually, I can't book any escort in Europe or the US for $500 or 400 Euro overnight (8-12 hours) unless I bring her from my previous contact which means that I have to pay for her flight.
I've never been to Kiev and I really wanted to go there plus I only used the escort for 1 night while seeing my semi pro girl for 2 nights, a girl from RIO, an erotic massage, and feasted my eyes on the beautiful girls in the streets.
I may do it a little different next time and explore the night clubs especially after August when the universities are open.
Hi Samata61,
Good report. It seems you are comfortable with the very high end of p4p ladies of the highest quality. Upon reading your report, I looked at the escort website you mentioned, namely,
www.escortnews.eu
, and was very impressed by the good looks of the escorts photos there. I actually recognize a couple of the ladies whose photos are on the escortnews. Eu website, as being some of the girls I had actually been with, or wanted to be with, from the old vodka escort. Com website. You remarked that the young lady you had chosen was "Nata" and that she arrived at your room appearing just as she was pictured. That's good news if they ate using true pics. Vodkaescort. Com used true (albeit very photoshopped) pics also. And there are not enough escort websites that use true pics, even with blurred faces. So this is good to hear there is another true picture website operating that serves Kiev.
However, I looked at the prices they ate asking for these hot girls and they are through the roof! 200 Euro for 1 hour. 350 euro for 2 hours. 500 Euro for 3 hours. 900 Euro for the night. There were three girls with the name "Nata" on the website, all charging very high rates. Yet you report an overnight stay with Nata from escortnews. Eu at a total of 400 Euro cost?
Something doesn't add up.
Could you please explain what amount of time you booked and how much you were actually charged? And if there rates are very negotiable, please let us know how and what. I was successful in the past of negotiating with vodkaescort. Com to get them to agree to charge me no more than the $300/3 hour rate I told them I was paying at strip clubs for hotter girls than they had. But 400 euro for a full overnight with multiple shots and a delightful experience such as you have described, seems to be too steep a discount off their prices. Unless they realize how unreasonable those prices are for this economy and in Kiev, and they are being reasonable about it. Either way, it's very important information for those, such as myself, looking for an alternative to strip clubs and gia-escort. Com. At one point I was using, as I mentioned, but they went out of business. I recently found their website up and running again, but only with girls photos who are based in St Petersburg, not in Ukraine. Is there any connection of the two companies? I'm wondering, since I see a few if the same girls. Any insights?
LJHello LJ:
Thanks you for the contribution to this form as your posts had helped me a great deal in my first visit to Kiev.
When using WWW.escortnews.eu I apply 2 filters "independent" & "100% verified"; when you do so you will end up with few girls and only one Nata. I simply don't want to take the risk with unverified photo or use girls who works for an escort agency since they usually split the cost which means that we will pay double.
The prices that appears for Nata at the web site are for Istanbul that are higher. She quoted the price of 400 Euro for overnight in Kiev and I did not negotiate; she arrived at 9pm and left at 11am after having breakfast together. I was with her on Sunday July 29th, you can use my name as a reference, and I am sure you will get the same price.
Sam
Glad to hear you had a good time.
Actually, I can't book any escort in Europe or the US for $500 or 400 Euro overnight (8-12 hours) unless I bring her from my previous contact which means that I have to pay for her flight.
I've never been to Kiev and I really wanted to go there plus I only used the escort for 1 night while seeing my semi pro girl for 2 nights, a girl from RIO, an erotic massage, and feasted my eyes on the beautiful girls in the streets.
I may do it a little different next time and explore the night clubs especially after August when the universities are open.
Actually, I can't book any escort in the US for $500 or 400 Euro overnight (8-12 hours) unless I bring her from my previous contact which means that I have to pay for her flight.
I.Have you tried Boston, MASS? LOL.
If not across the Charles River in Watertown, Mass. Height of excitment Trivia Nights.
There you might find a bored to death Escort who will do you for the Night, LOL. , or she might even pay for her own flight to meet you.
Hello LJ:
Thanks you for the contribution to this form as your posts had helped me a great deal in my first visit to Kiev.
When using.
WWW.escortnews.eu
I apply 2 filters "independent" & "100% verified"; when you do so you will end up with few girls and only one Nata. I simply don't want to take the risk with unverified photo or use girls who works for an escort agency since they usually split the cost which means that we will pay double.
The prices that appears for Nata at the web site are for Istanbul that are higher. She quoted the price of 400 Euro for overnight in Kiev and I did not negotiate; she arrived at 9pm and left at 11am after having breakfast together. I was with her on Sunday July 29th, you can use my name as a reference, and I am sure you will get the same price.
SamDear Sam,
I note that on Nata's profile on escortnews. Eu she is smokin hot and lists her prices as follows: "My time- 1h-250Eur or 550TL 2h 350Eur or 800 TL 6h 550Eur or 1300TL overnight 900 Eur A-level (extra)". Thus for overnight the price she lists is 900 Euro.
So you're explaining that the 900 Euro price is what she asks in Istanbul. But in Kiev she asks only 400 Euro for an overnight, without need for negotiation.
Well, in my opinion, for the 14 hours (9:00 PM to 11:00 AM) she gave you, a price of 400 Euro (almost $500 USD) is not a bad long term package deal price, and you did well. Others have opined that they thought a correct overnight price would be something like $300 USD, but they were talking about a different type of girl that has a first hour rate of under $100. But Nata is a different type of girl working on the high end of the pay scale (250 Euro 1st hour) and she looks it. An agency would surely be looking to charge the 900 Euro rate for her for an overnight. So your filtering for an "independent" girl, paid off in getting a lower price. I was once quoted an $800 USD price for a full 24 hours time period by a very hot Rio dancer, but I decided that I was better off just taking her out for just the night at their usual fee of $400 for all night, which by them means until 5:00 AM, so it means up to 8 hours if you take them out by 9:00 PM. The only way to beat this, is the guys who have taken out Rio girls for $300, and had a very good connection with the girl and she stayed much later with him until noon. But that's a special achievement, and not usual at all. So in the perspective of things, for a girl on that high level of looks who is normally getting high rates when she does City Tours to Istanbul and the like, it's a good rate you paid. The only guys who are beating that cost are doing it with local girls who never received high rates and are happy with under $100 for the first hour, and don't usually look like glamour models.
And thanks for the encouraging words, as well as opening a new website venue for me to look at.
LJ
Dear Sam,
She is smokin hot and lists her prices as follows:
But Nata is a different type of girl working on the high end of the pay scale (250 Euro 1st hour) and she looks it.
LJI would say that this girl by look on photos is way below my absolute minimum requirements. I get worried when people talks about this low standard, compared to my requirements, as if it would be good because it indicates that normal WG standard (from customers point of view) is very difficult to find in Kiev. Actully there very very few doable at all under Kiev page of this site. I have seen much better at Rio but to be honost very few. I would say there is a 50/50 chance to find a doable girls at Rio at a given evening and then there is a bad chance she doesn't even go out.
PedroToronja
08-07-12, 22:50
My experience during a recent 6-weeks-stay with working girls was totally different. You can't trust statements like "photos are 100 % real" or "photos are mine, don't ask, it's annoying". Many girls or the operators / agencies lie in the profile, in mails they send you and even on the phone. Photos often show very beautiful girls, they are just too good to be true. You can not get such girls for the the quoted prices like 600 or 800 Gr.I am refering to girls in Mamba, not in top-modals etc. In Mamba, I met some 10 or 12 and 90% were real. Maybe because I discarded those that are obviously professional photos, too perfect to be true.
PedroToronja
08-07-12, 23:00
I am always worried about staying in a rented apartment since I carry lots of cash to avoid being tracked through my credit card and I am afraid these apartments will not have a safe.
I had requests in the past to share the information of the jewelry store girl and when I inquired with her, she refused. I had shared many contacts in the past with fellow ISG members but only after getting the girls OK.Beware of ATMs, use only one that is inside a bank, and preferable a bank you know because it is international, like BNP Paribas for instance. Use always the same machine and keep the receipts of course. In the past I had my ATM card either copied or some other form of fraud by the machine, and thousands of dollars of withdraws appeared in 2 days in places like Poland and Antigua in the Caribbean. The bank made me whole, but is not fun. Since I practice what I wrote above, I had no problems at all. I don't keep lots of cash with me, I can always take money from the ATM and I do that on daily basis. I had never been robbed in UA. As for apartments, try Oksana from Kiev Apartments, she has many in and near Krechiatik at around USD 100 to 140 a day. She sends cleaning lady if you want who will also wash and iron clothes.
Take ziplock bags with you and put the remotes inside, do not touch them with your hands. I also bring disinfecting swipes and clean the doorknobs, faucet and kitchen handles, etc. U never know. Oh, always ask for a second bedsheet and use two of them under you, between you and the mattress. I suggest you never take a look at the mattress or you may not be able to sleep in any place that charges less than USD300 a night.
I found the appartments to be safe, just like the streets, underground, etc. Avoid people who want to talk to you on the street, avoid the proverbial old woman speaking English that will ask you 'excuse me, do you speak English? ', she is a pest and she is still at it after 6 years, mostly in Passage and Krechiatik. Never stop to pickup a wallet that somebody "accidentally" dropped, that is the oldest trick in the book to get you in trouble.
PedroToronja
08-07-12, 23:05
Guys, it's not necessary to start this silly argument about whether mamba. Ru pictures are mostly true or mostly fake. Both assertions are true. How can this be? I've explained this several times. Why don't you guys get it? Regular girls who are looking for normal dates are using true pictures because to use fake pictures would be silly in this context when at the first date, or even at the first time the parties Skype, the lie would be exposed, and it risks ruining the beginning of the relationship that was desired. However, prostitutes and escort agencies and other girls trying to get money for sex are using mostly fake pictures of very beautiful girls to help them lure customers to book appointments with them, and even though their lie will be exposed when they show up at the customer's door and it is obvious they are not the girl in the profile photos, they have achieved their purpose, which was to get their foot into your door, as any salesman would like to do, and then they hope that the customer is horny enough to just take them for sex instead."bait and switch" tactics usually work in these circumstances If the girl looks good enough and the customer is horny enough for sex. The escort agencies that use bait and switch tactics think it is a good idea, because it usually works, and they know they wouldn't have gotten the call and the extra business without using these dishonest tactics.
LJYes, or as they say in UA: ugu or aga. I agree.
CherchezFemme
08-07-12, 23:33
Have you tried Boston, MASS? LOL.
If not across the Charles River in Watertown, Mass. Height of excitment Trivia Nights.
There you might find a bored to death Escort who will do you for the Night, LOL. , or she might even pay for her own flight to meet you.Boston is a tough town to get laid in, PERIOD. I love the cityt, it has a lot of positives but the sex life is terrible.
Boston is a tough town to get laid in, PERIOD. I love the cityt, it has a lot of positives but the sex life is terrible.Not according to a Senior here? He knows who he is? He is a Veteran Of Kiev as well.
I think he has fallen out with me for some reason? Dunno? He doesn't like competition LOL.
One of the positives that I recall about Boston was a great Italian Pizza Place on Washington Street. Best I ever tasted.
That said, I had great time spent at High School across the river in Cambridge.
Cambridge is great if you were a Student, or if you are older, Sponsor a student at say Harvard. A pussy +High IQ. Might mean High maintenace though.
Avoid Watertown at all costs.
Boston is a tough town to get laid in, PERIOD. I love the cityt, it has a lot of positives but the sex life is terrible.Have a look on the Boston section of Eros. Com or of backpage. Com and you will find it easier to get laid in Boston.
LJ
Have a look on the Boston section of Eros. Com or of backpage. Com and you will find it easier to get laid in Boston.
LJOr have a look here in this thread. There was a post about "Sponsoring a student in Boston" and "You got to love Students Cities " Haven't been back to Boston for a while, so I can't comment. But I am inclined to agree with the above.
Oh. The bargains you could have had, if you went down to the Basement Of Filiene 's.
One of the best ex Positives about Boston. Sadly closed now.
Have a look on the Boston section of Eros. Com or of backpage. Com and you will find it easier to get laid in Boston.
LJOr have a look here in this thread. There was a post about "Sponsoring a student in Boston" and "You got to love Students Cities " Haven't been back to Boston for a while, so I can't comment. But I am inclined to agree with the above based on feedback and friends living there.
Oh. The bargains you could have had, if you went down to the Basement Of Filene's.
One of the best ex Positives about Boston. Sadly closed now.
Gentleman Travel
08-08-12, 16:11
Any questions I ask is so that I can avoid appearing like a clueless American. That's what we're here for, correct? To educate ourselves. I asked how casual I could dress in a sea-side resort area, especially in the clubs; seems like a relevant question.
Regarding what to wear: in the brief time I've spent on the Ukraine boards, you guys make a lot of catty comments and insults about dressing and appearance.
That is an extremely effeminate and gay thing to do, in American culture. Just thought you might like to know that.The reason that these subjects are discussed so extensively here is because there are so many clueless Americans who don't understand that the norms of American "culture" about dressing for a night on the town don't translate well overseas. These things don't need to be explained to Italians or Frenchmen, who already know how to dress themselves without adult supervision. Look around any continental European city, you can spot the American tourists a mile away.
And since the objective of dressing well, in this context, is to maximize your chances of getting laid by hot women, I don't think those who care and discuss this are exhibiting "effeminate" behaviour, just rational behaviour.
It is the Bubbas who will be stuck standing in the corner with other losers in cargo shorts and white sneakers who look gay to me. Part of the "bear cub" scene.
I know about 10-15 words of Russian. Using mamba has never been an issue for me, I have had great success.With all of your trips to EE, why have you not made a greater effort to learn the language? It is the most powerful tool of seduction.
PedroToronja
08-08-12, 16:57
The reason that these subjects are discussed so extensively here is because there are so many clueless Americans who don't understand that the norms of American "culture" about dressing for a night on the town don't translate well overseas. These things don't need to be explained to Italians or Frenchmen, who already know how to dress themselves without adult supervision. Look around any continental European city, you can spot the American tourists a mile away.
And since the objective of dressing well, in this context, is to maximize your chances of getting laid by hot women, I don't think those who care and discuss this are exhibiting "effeminate" behaviour, just rational behaviour.
It is the Bubbas who will be stuck standing in the corner with other losers in cargo shorts and white sneakers who look gay to me. Part of the "bear cub" scene.This is SO TRUE. Americans, we believe that wearing shorts, beat-up sneakers and a cheap t-shirt are acceptable everywhere just as if we are walking down Miami Beach (or Kansas, etc.) No way! Myself I am guilty of that as I brought my sailor wide-rim hat (I am very fair skinned and the sun beats down on Kiev) and my GF would not allow me to leave the apartment with it! The comment: we are not at the beach! Losing is easy. Winning takes a little bit more work, including your perfectly clean and appropriate attire for the circumstances. They denied me entry at Buddah Bar and at Night Flight (Moscow) because I was wearing sneakers, regardless of my Black Card. I am trying to save you the embarrassment. The thickness of your wallet is measured by the shoes you wear and how clean you keep them.
Guess how they can tell an American from far (in Europe, as told to me by a local in UA) : we (usually) dress like crap.
PedroToronja
08-08-12, 17:00
Speaking Russian would help establish raport, ergo get laid, granted. Is very hard to learn though. In bed, they love it when you talk to them in Italian, French or Spanish, so learn some words in those languages to help on the cumming process. Their cumming process, of course (if you care).
With all of your trips to EE, why have you not made a greater effort to learn the language? It is the most powerful tool of seduction.
PedroToronja
08-08-12, 17:17
I would say that this girl by look on photos is way below my absolute minimum requirements. I get worried when people talks about this low standard, compared to my requirements, as if it would be good because it indicates that normal WG standard (from customers point of view) is very difficult to find in Kiev. Actully there very very few doable at all under Kiev page of this site. I have seen much better at Rio but to be honost very few. I would say there is a 50/50 chance to find a doable girls at Rio at a given evening and then there is a bad chance she doesn't even go out.Guys, the girls on that site are AMAZING. Expensive but worth it IMHO. Who else can vouch for them, that the pics are real for more than one girl?
I have to admit that I saw WGs taking up the elevator of the Hyatt that were absolute 10 and I died of envy. I was with my gf and she would not let me get in the same elevator! We were going to the top floor restaurant, they have decent burgers there. Anyway, I want to get those girls, although as with fishing, the biggest fish is always the one that got away. UA girls are very good at dressing up, fixing themselves to look amazing. Sometimes they look better dressed than naked, as in 'what happened with the girl I got in the room with, the one that came out of the bathroom without high-heels, the super sexy dress, etc. Must have jump out of the bathroom window and this other one showed up!" Sometimes the tall, svelte, super elegant model looking chick has almost no tits and you can count the ribs. A little of a turn off for me. Heck, who said we have to be simple! LOL Advice: turn them around, climb on a bench (their asses are quite high on those 10 inch high heels) and fuck them dressed! Kidding, but probably a good idea. Will try next time in September.
Hi Samata61,
Good report. It seems you are comfortable with the very high end of p4p ladies of the highest quality. Upon reading your report, I looked at the escort website you mentioned, namely,
www.escortnews.eu
, and was very impressed by the good looks of the escorts photos there. I actually recognize a couple of the ladies whose photos are on the escortnews. Eu website, as being some of the girls I had actually been with, or wanted to be with, from the old vodkaescort. Com website. You remarked that the young lady you had chosen was "Nata" and that she arrived at your room appearing just as she was pictured. That's good news if they are using true pics. Vodkaescort. Com used true (albeit very photoshopped) pics also. And there are not enough escort websites that use true pics, even with blurred faces. So this is good to hear there is another true picture website operating that serves Kiev.
However, I looked at the prices they are asking for these hot girls and they are through the roof! 200 Euro for 1 hour. 350 euro for 2 hours. 500 Euro for 3 hours. 900 Euro for the night. There were three girls with the name "Nata" on the website, all charging very high rates. Yet you report an overnight stay with Nata from escortnews. Eu at a total of 400 Euro cost?
Something doesn't add up.
Could you please explain what amount of time you booked and how much you were actually charged? And if there rates are very negotiable, please let us know how and what. I was successful in the past of negotiating with vodkaescort. Com to get them to agree to charge me no more than the $300/3 hour rate I told them I was paying at strip clubs for hotter girls than they had. But 400 euro for a full overnight with multiple shots and a delightful experience such as you have described, seems to be too steep a discount off their prices. Unless they realize how unreasonable those prices are for this economy and in Kiev, and they are being reasonable about it. Either way, it's very important information for those, such as myself, who could benefit from the existence of a good alternative to strip clubs and gia-escort. Com.
At one point I was using vodkaescort. Com, as I mentioned, but they went out of business. I recently found their website up and running again, but only with girls photos who are based in St Petersburg, not in Ukraine. Is there any connection of the two companies? I'm wondering, since I see a few of the same girls from vodka on the escortnews. Eu website? Any insights?
LJDo you know where can I find beautiful escorts?
With all of your trips to EE, why have you not made a greater effort to learn the language? It is the most powerful tool of seduction.It is not only just the best seduction tool but it also allows you access to the ENTIRE female population of the region. Girls who speak excellent to even the most basic English are a very tiny percentage of the entire female population. No Russian means you are severely restricted in what girls would be available. Even basic Russian skills give you many more prospects.
There is a saying here, roughly translated as: Men are seduced through their eyes, women are seduced by their ears. It is what and how you say things to them and if you can also do it in their language, it is a huge advantage.
There have been too many reports in this forum where guys have called salons, massage parlors or mamba contacts and had the phone hung up on them when they could not speak Russian, not to mention rejections on the dance floor or in bars and elsewhere.
When you speak the language, then this place is a true Candyland. I know. That is why I do not need the nightclub or strip bar scene. Opportunities can present themselves to me from morning to night wherever I am.
A lot of college and uni students = a lot of student girls looking for extra money.
Have you tried Boston, MASS? LOL.
If not across the Charles River in Watertown, Mass. Height of excitment Trivia Nights.
There you might find a bored to death Escort who will do you for the Night, LOL. , or she might even pay for her own flight to meet you.
With all of your trips to EE, why have you not made a greater effort to learn the language? It is the most powerful tool of seduction.He doesn't mind, he has 1200 girls numbers in his mobile's phonebook, all english speaking of course. (rolleyes)
Because I never had to.
I literally can not handle all the girls I have now. I have more girls in the pipeline (about 300) then I have any hope of meeting, less so that I generally don't do my serial dating tours anymore, when I would meet 50-70 new girls per trip. I don't need to talk to every girl I see on the street above a 5. Am I disappointed when the 8 or 9 I am approaching brushes me off because I can't speak Russian, sure but I get over it.
With all of your trips to EE, why have you not made a greater effort to learn the language? It is the most powerful tool of seduction.
www.escortnews.eu
Or River Palace.
Do you know where can I find beautiful escorts?
Do you know where can I find beautiful escorts?Dear Rafael104,
As you can see from the widely divergent opinions recently being expressed on this thread about the looks of the girls in the Kiev section of wwe. Escortnews. Eu, where Tuggen feels that for the most part they are hardly doable, whereas PedroToronja feels they look great, the old adage that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is very true. So without knowing what your viewpoint is at all, it is difficult to advise you as to where to find "beautiful" escorts. All I could do is give an answer as to where there are escorts available that I think are beautiful in my opinion. I could add that I feel that my opinion is closer to what the majority of men would agree with, and opinions such as Tuggen's recent comment represent a smaller percent of men who are far more selective than the average male. But you have to look at the possibilities and make up your own mind about it. I shall answer you, assuming you are an average male, and not a highly selective individual who is a minority type male.
The other questions about you that need an answer before I could properly advise you is how long a period of time you are going to spend in Kiev, and what is your monetary comfort range in spending on escorts?
Kiev has good options that are quite cheap, comparatively. But Kiev also has a high end escort scene that can be costly. The lower end of Kiev's escort possibilities have hourly fees ranging between 400 UAH ($50 USD) and 800 UAH ($100 USD) and a little higher. Based upon reports by others, escorts from this price range are possible to find that are quite good looking and sexy. I personally haven't succeeded in getting anything from this price range that is above a 6 or 7, but I haven't focused on the girls in this price range as extensively as others have, and there are others who have claimed to get very good girls in this lower end price range. You can find girls in this lower price range almost anywhere in Kiev, roaming the streets, in shopping malls, and in bars and nightclubs, or you can investigate girl apartment or brothels that taxi drivers may know about, or you can get the address from shills walking about downtown that you might meet, but no one claims that it will be a quick process or guaranteed result to find a beautiful girl this way. Only the cheap price is guaranteed for this method. Other options for lower cost girls in Kiev are through websites such as mamba. Ru, or top-modals. Com or many other websites you can find using Internet search procedures. There have been lists of escort websites in prior posts on this thread. The problem with using the websites is that you need to expend significant time using them because of the prevalence of fake pictures being used and an unacceptable looking girl showing up at your doorstep. (Despite claims by some members that they never got a bad looking girl or a fake picture situation, there are enough reports going back on this thread that report fake pictures for any sane person to conclude it is a significant risk and a possible likelihood of happening to you. I have had both experiences. I have had girls come who were the girls in the picture, and I have had girls come who had used fake pictures.) My bottom line on this method is that it takes too much time for me to wait for a really very beautiful girl to show up this way, since the agencies send whoever they have available, and not the fantastic looking girl in the website picture.
I think the best way to find a beautiful girl in Kiev is going to venues where you can see the girls yourself before you choose. This way you know she is beautiful even before you expend any energy or effort to try and get her or find out what her price is. The places to do this kind of searching depends if you are looking for regular dating, or if you are looking for escorts who will give you sex in exchange for money. Since you asked about "beautiful escorts", the places to find them are in nightclubs in Kiev frequented by Working Girls (WG's) and in strip clubs. While you can search for beautiful girls to approach in the streets and shopping malls etc, these are not places in which there will be a significant concentration of WG's, and is better for trying to pick up girls for freebies. Before going after beautiful escorts to be found in nightclubs or strip clubs, you need to decide what price range you will be comfortable in. In some nightclubs, mentioned earlier in this thread, it has been reported possible to pick up girls for paid sex for lower rates of $100 / hour or $200/2hours. But more typically, the very hot girls in the nightclubs have historically asked prices like $300/2 hours and above that. The prices at those strip clubs that have "take out" start at $300/3hours ($400 for the night) at Rio and Mandarin, and go up from there. I reported the prices at Dolls earlier in the thread. TheKnight reported the take out prices at a number of other strip clubs he checked out. That's the escort scene in Kiev in a nutshell. There is much guidance and detail in the prior reports by myself and others filed earlier in this thread. You need to read back in the thread at least a year and better to the beginning of last year to get a clearer picture. As well you can follow the Reports of Distinction back into useful older reports, as well.
This foregoing only addresses the beauty and the price of escorts. However, a probably more important aspect is the escort's quality of service and how to select in order to have the best chance of good quality service. That unfortunately is mostly somewhat of an art, but in some instances like gia-escort. Com, it has been reported that the advertised services were provided. In all other instances, the interview process of an escort, is all important and is your gateway to trying to get a GFE type experience which has become the standard we all judge a good session by.
Kiev is not a controlled environment like an FKK, so service quality is an individual issue as to each girl. What can be said is that Ukrainian girls generally dig sex, and even escorts here will generally appreciate and enjoy DATY. Unfortunately, an uncovered blow job (BBBJ) is becoming more difficult to obtain these days, and those who enjoy kissing an escort in a DFK manner will need to find out about that too in the interview process, as well as judge the chemistry between the girl and yourself.
In an interesting caveat, it so happens that it is the more unpressured atmosphere of the strip club which is the better environment for developing a rapport with a girl and engaging her in conversation that can lead to rapport and chemistry, as well as the available private dances. This is because in the strip club the girls are not permitted to ask you, let alone pressure you to take them home, or make a decision about it. They can't even bring it up. Contrast this with the brusque way most WG's in a nightclub will approach this. The nightclub girls will not waste that kind of time on you. Either you are ready to take them, or they move on to the next guy. Basic business sense forces them to seek a customer who means business and is not just gabbing with them and wasting their time. So in the nightclub setting, at least insofar as the professional WG's are concerned, you will not have a long time to talk to them, and it's a price negotiation and then to a decision. Perhaps it is a bit more of a relaxed process with a semi pro girl with whom you can chat and dance with and then maybe take her home in a more natural way. But with WG's, it's usually all business. So in comparison, a strip club situation gives you more time to develop something between you and the girl and evaluate its potential.
LJ
A lot of college and uni students = a lot of student girls looking for extra money.100% True. A Lot Of Financially Embarrassed Students there.
Got to love the UCLA students though doing their tricks on weekends and holidays in Las Vegas.
Pool Parties there amazing. With those Girls.
Hi Guys,
Anyone has experiences about this club?
If you take out the girl from a strip club, when you pay for her?
In the club or in the hotel?
Thanks.
Hi Guys,
If you take out the girl from a strip club, when you pay for her?
In the club or in the hotel?
Thanks.In Between The Club and The Hotel.
PedroToronja
08-09-12, 16:40
dear rafael104,
so in comparison, a strip club situation gives you more time to develop something between you and the girl and evaluate its potential.
lja strip club is of course a business establishment and they expect roi from their employees (strippers, dancers, take-away material, entertainers, etc). their time is not free. you can talk at ease and for as long as you want, as long as you can buy lap-dances and / or drinks for the girl. sure you can take your time to explore 'chemistry' as you pay to talk. all that being said, it is true that you can see the naked truth of what you get if you agree to the price, but i will encourage you to decide quickly as what you spend in the club does not reduce the take-come cost. imho, the overwhelming majority of wgs don't give a dam about chemistry, history or any other science, but the bucks. there have been some noticeable and excellent exceptions in my long career as a monger, but far apart. in fact, some studies suggest that most wg don't like men at all, they are lesbians. some hate men (many wg started their careers as [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) victims, [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128), etc.) and getting your money is a way to 'get back at men'. for a girl at a strip club who cohorts with upwards of 50 men a day, your personality, charm, etc. are details that go largely unnoticed as immaterial. it is a job. it is about money and only money. don't spend a lot of it trying to research, investigate, establish (dream of) any kind of relationship, is my advice.
i have been to strip, dance, gogo girls clubs in many countries. i pay the door price and won't order even an (overpriced) bottle of water: zero on your target, offer to take-out making your mind quick. if the girl insist in getting to know you, talk to you (always over expensive drinks for her that turn out to be tea) she is just making money for the house, ripping you off and you will end up alone in your room but a lot poorer. don't go for that. it is a game, play to win.
btw in sao paulo i got into a club. without sitting down i approached the 2 gogo girls dancing on top of platforms, invited them both to my hotel and fucked the shit out of them both (ok, the second not as hard, pun intended). i repeated that for a week.
for a strip club a girl is a way to get to your wallet while you try to get into her. it is a race and you are the driver. don't forget that and don't be fooled our of your precious pussy money.
a strip club is of course a business establishment and they expect roi from their employees (strippers, dancers, take-away material, entertainers, etc). their time is not free. you can talk at ease and for as long as you want, as long as you can buy lap-dances and / or drinks for the girl. sure you can take your time to explore 'chemistry' as you pay to talk. all that being said, it is true that you can see the naked truth of what you get if you agree to the price, but i will encourage you to decide quickly as what you spend in the club does not reduce the take-come cost. imho, the overwhelming majority of wgs don't give a dam about chemistry, history or any other science, but the bucks. there have been some noticeable and excellent exceptions in my long career as a monger, but far apart. in fact, some studies suggest that most wg don't like men at all, they are lesbians. some hate men (many wg started their careers as [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) victims, [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128), etc.) and getting your money is a way to 'get back at men'. for a girl at a strip club who cohorts with upwards of 50 men a day, your personality, charm, etc. are details that go largely unnoticed as immaterial. it is a job. it is about money and only money. don't spend a lot of it trying to research, investigate, establish (dream of) any kind of relationship, is my advice.
i have been to strip, dance, gogo girls clubs in many countries. i pay the door price and won't order even an (overpriced) bottle of water: zero on your target, offer to take-out making your mind quick. if the girl insist in getting to know you, talk to you (always over expensive drinks for her that turn out to be tea) she is just making money for the house, ripping you off and you will end up alone in your room but a lot poorer. don't go for that. it is a game, play to win.
btw in sao paulo i got into a club. without sitting down i approached the 2 gogo girls dancing on top of platforms, invited them both to my hotel and fucked the shit out of them both (ok, the second not as hard, pun intended). i repeated that for a week.
for a strip club a girl is a way to get to your wallet while you try to get into her. it is a race and you are the driver. don't forget that and don't be fooled our of your precious pussy money.hello pedro:
your analysis and attitude is correct nonetheless we always want to think otherwise and i personally encourage the girls to give me their all thinking that i am a sucker while staying in full control. yes, it usually cost me a bit more but i am often happy with the result.
i usually spend little money at the club but once i made my choice and had a small conversation; i act as i am totally in love and under her control while treating her like a queen that after produced great sexual service.
i have also invited some of the superior girls to meet me out of the clubs on their day off getting excellent service while paying them the same amount for longer time meaning they get double the money since they don't have to split it with the club.
i disagree that many of these girls started as [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) victims (i am sure some were) ; it is simply economy as these girls figured that they can make the most money from being in this business and many of them come from poor background. i have actually had a few of them who really love sex and won't even let you go to sleep till they're completely satisfied.
my take to get the best service is to treat them with dignity, appreciation, and show them some love. over the years, i have been able to turn the hardest girls into angels in a very short time even if it was acting on their part but why not since you are paying them the same anyway.
Bring with you an unlocked GSM phone, buy a SIM card with an UA phone number once in Kiev, it takes little cost and no time. Ask for your real status with your UA number, get the txt with the code, enter into Mamba and voila! You are real.Thank you, I'm in Europe already so ill buy a local Ukraine cell phone when I get there, and then work fast, LOL.
PS what kind of cell phone, by GSM you just mean a normal cell phone, right?
Thank you, I'm in Europe already so ill buy a local Ukraine cell phone when I get there, and then work fast, LOL.
PS what kind of cell phone, by GSM you just mean a normal cell phone, right?GSM is now a world standard, even if nowadays it is better to refer, in some cases, to G3 as this standard includes data transfer (email, browsing etc) what counts is the frequency, as US has a different frequency than other countries, same as Japan and Korea (and Mexico if I well remember).
Obviously a phone bought locally works for sure, but you can have a generic GSM phone and it will work everywhere as said above. The local SIM card is good for the local rates, and people calling you will not spend a fortune in international calls to you, being just a few miles away. Bear in mind prepaid SIM cards do expire after 6 months if not used or reloaded. And usually do not work abroad. Can be seen as an advantage, though. Since this way you will not reveal your personal number and after the needed time, it will be dispersed. No strings attached anymore.
Thank you, I'm in Europe already so ill buy a local Ukraine cell phone when I get thereBeware, with a cheap mobile phone, you will pass for a loser, and your attraction will plummet. Better you buy in your own country an unlocked Iphone 4, or better, buy the 5 if you plan to travel after the 21 September (its date of release).
in fact, some studies suggest that most wg don't like men at all, they are lesbians. some hate men (many wg started their careers as [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) victims, [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128), etc.) and getting your money is a way to 'get back at men'. for a girl at a strip club who cohorts with upwards of 50 men a day, your personality, charm, etc. are details that go largely unnoticed as immaterial. it is a job. it is about money and only money. don't spend a lot of it trying to research, investigate, establish (dream of) any kind of relationship, is my advice.could not disagree more. after being treated like a piece of meat night after night, strippers often respond very well to a little bit of nice treatment. many of these girls are not looking for money as much as they are looking for a little personal attention, empathy and respect. there is many opportunities with strippers in fsu, as long as you treat them nicely and respectfully. it's one of my fav target groups in fsu. furthermore, having a stripper as a regular "fuck-buddy" is a very good position in that even if you go to chase in clubs or have a date and say don't get any success that night, you always have your stripper to fall back on in the morning.
i remember a stripper i scored in chisinau. she would get off of work at 5am, sent a sms to see if i was still awake (and alone) , and if i was, would go to my apartment, down one beer or two, talk a bit, bang me, sleep till noon, have "morning" sex, and then leave. no questions asked, no materialistic expectations, save sometimes a few drinks before her work at 7pm. talk about a nice situation. had the same kind of experience in tashkent and in bucarest.
also keep in mind that those girls often live in crappy tiny appartments with other girls or with their family (often the parents, the sister, the brother in law and the nevew) , so it is almost a humanitarian gest to offer them a nice accommodation for the night. (smilie)
a strip club is of course a business establishment and they expect roi from their employees (strippers, dancers, take-away material, entertainers, etc). their time is not free. you can talk at ease and for as long as you want, as long as you can buy lap-dances and / or drinks for the girl. sure you can take your time to explore 'chemistry' as you pay to talk. all that being said, it is true that you can see the naked truth of what you get if you agree to the price, but i will encourage you to decide quickly as what you spend in the club does not reduce the take-come cost. imho, the overwhelming majority of wgs don't give a dam about chemistry, history or any other science, but the bucks. there have been some noticeable and excellent exceptions in my long career as a monger, but far apart. in fact, some studies suggest that most wg don't like men at all, they are lesbians. some hate men (many wg started their careers as [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) victims, [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128), etc.) and getting your money is a way to 'get back at men'. for a girl at a strip club who cohorts with upwards of 50 men a day, your personality, charm, etc. are details that go largely unnoticed as immaterial. it is a job. it is about money and only money. don't spend a lot of it trying to research, investigate, establish (dream of) any kind of relationship, is my advice.
i have been to strip, dance, gogo girls clubs in many countries. i pay the door price and won't order even an (overpriced) bottle of water: zero on your target, offer to take-out making your mind quick. if the girl insist in getting to know you, talk to you (always over expensive drinks for her that turn out to be tea) she is just making money for the house, ripping you off and you will end up alone in your room but a lot poorer. don't go for that. it is a game, play to win.
btw in sao paulo i got into a club. without sitting down i approached the 2 gogo girls dancing on top of platforms, invited them both to my hotel and fucked the shit out of them both (ok, the second not as hard, pun intended). i repeated that for a week.
for a strip club a girl is a way to get to your wallet while you try to get into her. it is a race and you are the driver. don't forget that and don't be fooled our of your precious pussy money.dear pedro,
all good points that you raised. but there are a few factors at play in kiev that affect this matter that you may have overlooked. it sounds like you are proceeding from the assumption that all the girls to be found in any strip club world over are identical insofar as being hardened, cynical, money-sucking machines, who have disdain and even animus for men as a result of abuse they suffered earlier in life from [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), and they are prostitute working girls who have had sex with 50 guys that day or that week just before you met her, and they could care less about your personality or demeanor or looks or style or humor, because you are just a piece of meat to them from which they need to extract as much cash from as possible before discarding your carcass to move on to the next victim. does such a vampiric type girl exist in the world of p4p in various places in the world, that are like the caricature of composite qualities you have drawn up. i'm sure there are such girls as you describe. and the longer any of us pursue this hobby of mongering, the more likely it is that we will eventually be exposed to the type of hard core, cynical wg you describe, who is out to rip us off.
but is this true of every single girl who one will meet that is engaging in p4p in kiev? absolutely not!
in kiev in particular, there are several factors at play that produce a different scenario than you describe. the fact you seem to me to be entirely overlooking is that the ee culture that exists in a place like kiev in its attitudes toward sex, has joined together with the lack of money resources and financial support for young females, to produce a sub-culture in which it is very prevalent for otherwise normal girls to seek "sponsorship" i. e. money and support from older men who have it, in exchange for their favors. everyone is aware of the fact that no one looks askance at an older man dating a girl much younger than he is in her early 20's. it's common in a place like kiev. it is but a small step for a girl to go from dating an older man for friendship and romance because he happens to have money and is willing to give her the support that she needs and pay for things for her, to dates of a much more fleeting nature for the same type of monetary assistance. thus, as we are all aware, there are very many young girls in kiev, especially the poorer ones who came from the outlying communities to kiev to try to get ahead, who are looking for some way to get "sponsorship" support from some accomplished man who is willing. they do not see themselves as prostitutes, and will deny being such. in their minds whatvrheyvare doing is different than hard core prostitution. some of these young girls who are desperate to find help and assistance, find themselves looking at the option of dancing in a strip club as a lucrative possibility. therefore, there is constant recruitment of new girls for the strip clubs and a constant flow of new girls who ate beginning work in the strip clubs. they get comparatively decent money just for dancing on stage, and for doing private dances with customers. they are not required to go on dates outside the club with customers. eventually, however, many of them do take the plunge to go out on such "dates" because of the large amounts of cash they see their fellow dancers at the club making. at this point they are very new at this, and by no means a hardened, cynical prostitute. they are girls with all the normal human feelings and emotions of any girl, who are beginning to explore the world of sex for money, and they are in a position to pick and choose which men they want to try it with. so, of course, they will look for a man who has a nice appearance and acts nice to them, and who has a charming personality. and they will refuse someone who they find unappealing, and they don't have to go with him just because he has money.
because of these factors, when a monger is searching for gfe in a p4p setting, there is a greater possibility of it, in a setting where there are significant numbers of girls who are relatively new to p4p, or who are what we have been calling "semi-pro" girls which are regular girls with other occupations or are students who sometimes do sex for money. it seems that the strip clubs in kiev are places where one can encounter some girls who are relatively new to p4p, and are definitely not the kind of hardened, cynical professional wg that you described, to whom nothing about you matters, other than your money.
this has been borne out through personal experience, that you can quite easily interact with the human side of such newer girls to the p4p scene, and your attractiveness, humor, style, niceness, and everything you use in courting women in regular dating situations, can come into play when interacting with one of these girls, and your own contribution to the relationship will weigh heavily in producing a gfe experience. will it work on a hardened wg type of girl? no. but it will certainly be a factor in the experience with a girl who is new to it all. for her, going home with a man to have sex, is an exciting adventure and a turn on, and if you make it fun for them, and give them your love and generosity and humor and friendship, they will likely respond, and something very good will ensue.
what samata61 wrote on this topic is spot on. when you invest good feelings and niceness into any relationship, it produces a reciprocal effect as part of human nature:
hello pedro:
your analysis and attitude is correct nonetheless we always want to think otherwise and i personally encourage the girls to give me their all thinking that i am a sucker while staying in full control. yes, it usually cost me a bit more but i am often happy with the result.
i usually spend little money at the club but once i made my choice and had a small conversation; i act as i am totally in love and under her control while treating her like a queen that after produced great sexual service.
i have also invited some of the superior girls to meet me out of the clubs on their day off getting excellent service while paying them the same amount for longer time meaning they get double the money since they don't have to split it with the club.
i disagree that many of these girls started as [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) victims (i am sure some were) ; it is simply economy as these girls figured that they can make the most money from being in this business and many of them come from poor background. i have actually had a few of them who really love sex and won't even let you go to sleep till they're completely satisfied.
my take to get the best service is to treat them with dignity, appreciation, and show them some love. over the years, i have been able to turn the hardest girls into angels in a very short time even if it was acting on their part but why not since you are paying them the same anyway.however, your warning, pedro, not to get taken in and spend too much money while searching for the gfe girl at a strip club is well taken. but you should know that my experience at the strip club rio has been that i have never been pressured to buy any private dances or anything at the club. it is entirely possible for a customer to come into that club, pay just the 100 uah admission fee, and order a cheap glass of tea, and to sit there hours just looking at the dancers strut their stuff on stage. no one will approach or pester you to spend anything more or buy any additional service. it's very different from other places in the world, like every other strip club where the girls pester you for lap dances, or bar brothels like i went to in spain where as soon as you walk in the door, the girls who want you to take them for p4p sessions ate all over you like a bee swarm, or like in the fkk's where the girls are all over you asking if you want to session with them. no. it's not at all like that at the strip club i mentioned. the girls dance on stage and that's it. if you want anything more to happen, you must be the one to ask for it. you are given mental "space" to do what you want to do. so you can do as little or as much as you want. you don't have to buy the girls drinks or anything if you don't want to. it's not that classy to sit a long time with a girl and not offer a drink, however. but you can avoid buying her a drink if you substitute something else, like take her for a private dance or go to the bathroom, or whatever. but if you are trying to get this girl to like you, in the hopes of a gfe back at your apartment with her later, it should usually be regarded as a good investment in that to buy her a drink.
i have noticed another way it can cost you money at a strip club. what happens is that even though you bought a girl a drink and she is sitting with you, oftentimes they will come over to the girl and tell her that it's her turn to dance on the stage. that means she will be gone for about 15 minutes, hopefully to return. they make you aware that if you don't want her to go, you can give her 100 uah, which is the amount she would supposedly get from dancing her set, and then she will stay with you. 100 uah is about $12. 50 usd. so it's not a large amount, but it's not insignificant. these costs, the drinks, private dances, tips, and bump fees to get her to skip her turn on stage, are a low level bleed on your cash. they bear keeping an eye on them, so it doesn't get out of hand. however, the big cost to be concerned with is the take out fee, for a girl that ends up with lousy rapport with you and gives lousy service in the end. that cost is a big dent in your wallet if you make a poor choice in the selection of a girl. therefore the low level costs that are incurred as you investigate the possibilities of which girl seems most likely to deliver a gfe back at the apartment, are worth it to spend, in order that you take the necessary time to choose the take out girl carefully and have the feeling that she really likes you, and that there is sexual chemistry between you, so you can place your best bet. if you sense that a girl who looks hot is of the hardened wg type, then jettison her immediately and don't consider her further. what you are looking for is the girl that genuinely smiles at you, and likes you. sure these 20 year old girls can sometimes be acting. but you are no dummy either, and you can usually feel the vibes and when they are good you usually know it too. can you be fooled? sometimes. but not often. so do your best, and give your best, and try to reach the human side of each girl, and if she let's you in, it can be great.
CalgaryFleshma
08-10-12, 18:20
Anyone want to meet up and hit a couple of spots for a drink or two and find a couple of ladies? Staying at Hotel Dnipro. Aint 5 star but works. Any suggestions within walking distance to meet some ladies for the evening.
Thanks in advance
Beware, with a cheap mobile phone, you will pass for a loser, and your attraction will plummet. Better you buy in your own country an unlocked Iphone 4, or better, buy the 5 if you plan to travel after the 21 September (its date of release).Prosal, you don't miss a trick, do you.
In a recent ongoing communication with a girl I met on Mamba, age 20, hot as hell tall, slinky, blond, in which she quite candidly confessed to meeting guys at clubs and fucking them, she said "it happens quite often. But I don't make it easy for them to fuck me." When asked how she makes her selection of which man she will fuck, she responds without hesitation,"the man who is wearing an expensive watch and expensive shoes. I like men in official clothes. I like men who are generous."
I asked her whether it was the generosity of the man, or the fashion look that she liked the most. She said that she wants a man who is generous. I asked her how she knows a well dressed man would be generous towards her. She said she can feel it. I asked her whether a man who wants to be generous to her, but doesn't have an expensive watch and shoes, has any chance with her. She said yes, but she still likes the look of a well dressed man. I asked her what she meant by a man dressed in "official clothes". She explained she meant formal dress, like a suit. I asked her what about all the Ukrainian guys I had seen in D'lux wearing jeans and a nice shirt, who were with beautiful girlfriends. She said they were either with them for money, or they were stupid girls. That's the candid interview with a 20 year old hottie who goes fishing for men to fuck in the nightclubs.
I guess some of you guys are thinking,"I told you so".
Probably, the only way to get around this is to only meet these young girls at your apartment and run around in a fancy bathrobe and pretend you are Hugh Heffner, the Playboy Magazine publisher, so you don't wear clothes or shoes.
LJ
Global Surfer
08-11-12, 00:59
Anyone want to meet up and hit a couple of spots for a drink or two and find a couple of ladies? Staying at Hotel Dnipro. Aint 5 star but works. Any suggestions within walking distance to meet some ladies for the evening.
Thanks in advanceBuddha bar is walking distance from your place though bit expensive. Expect to pay USD 200. I think Patipa is also not far from your place.
Cheapest option in my opinion is Mamba. Ru. It is hard work but you may get away from UAH 400.
Does Dnipro charge extra for 'guests'? I am planning to visit again next month.
she responds without hesitation,"the man who is wearing an expensive watch and expensive shoes.The expensive watch is a magnet for girls. But it doesn't mean that the girl will think "I will relieve him from all his money", it just means apparent success in life, and FSU girls like successful men. As a side note, the slim "dress watch" (ie the Jeager Reverso type) is IMO not the type of watch appreciated in FSU. Better bring a 45 mm or 46 mm eye-catching beast. I curently have the new IWC Ingenieur Mission Earth, but hopefully this fall will be able to buy the new Bulgari Octo Quadri Retro, which will be a killer in Russia and Ukraine.
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