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FYI, if the frenchs would have not been here to help, the US national dish would be fish and chips now. (rolleyes)Instead of talking about Pussies and Asses, you are now talking about another Double Act.
Educating The French on The Origin of Fish and Chips.
"Like Morecambe and Wise or Wallace and Gromit, fish and chips are a classic double act. And yet they started life as solo performers. And their roots are not as (British) as you might think.
The story of the humble chip goes back to the 17th Century to either Belgium or France, depending who you believe.
Oddly enough, the chip may have been invented as a substitute for fish, rather than an accompaniment. When the rivers froze over and nothing could be caught, resourceful housewives began cutting potatoes into fishy shapes and frying them as an alternative.
Around the same time, fried fish was introduced into Britain by Jewish refugees from Portugal and Spain.
The fish was usually sold by street sellers from large trays hung round their necks. Charles Dickens refers to an early fish shop or "fried fish warehouse" in Oliver Twist (1839) where the fish generally came with bread or baked potatoes.".
On a side note, Have you ever fucked a French Girl?
And will definitely turn blue. Viagra Blue. Will be glad to meet with fellow hunters.In Kiev 23-1 looking for english comp for some shagg huntin.
Pm me
For absolutely no reason but up to early on a Monday I booked tickets to Kiev.
Been skimmin the forum, some good, most trash or outdated.
Is there and good looking cheap women? Where is good gatherings?
Popular english speaking clubs?
My good looking mid 20s body isn't paying 200usd.
Anyone up for a beer whos on town? Pm me
DoctorOral
08-30-12, 07:27
Victimed police tracking, hunting, running after italians with 2 hookers last night on Kretchatik.
They did not make it to the door before police stopped them.
Big hassle. I sat on a bench and watced for some minutes.
They were (all) more than not amused! Keep walking distances short!
Must be a * to have those sort of problems, LOL. I had 2 in Canada and 2 in Austria and I don't have the time (or funds) to properly take advantage of them all. I bow to your superior abilities.
Stirling.Hey, it's not superior abilities. I am sure that you have the same. It's only that I don't have the balls to get rid of the old girlfriends!
Almost any woman from the Ukraine will come to Vegas over Paris. It has to do with the possibility of finding away to stay in America. It is not being cultured that they care about. For opportunity they will do almost anything.Not true. Your assuming every hot Ukranian girl can strip. It's just not like that. For every girl that can strip, there are two that tried the job and could not do it and there are another two that would not even consider it. I've had a few stripper girlfriends and it's always the same story when you look at the over all picture of friends included.
Strippers for Free, Where and When.Chisinau, Tashkent, Piter and Bucarest.
Talking about strippers, here is an entertaining and well-written account of my comrade-in-arms Dirkdingy. A wild night in Tashkent featuring strippers and booze. Too bad that no one posts this kind of fun stories in the Kiev thread, it would be really refreshing.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1039-Tashkent&p=796630#post796630
A long-term GF (freebie) , stripper in the most upscale club of Piter. She comes to Paris as often as she can BTW, and never has enough of it.
TashkentJust to counterbalance the enthousiasm of some guys here about Rio, a great post of Roger Nebel. There is MUCH more fun and cheap strip venues if you have the balls to venture beyond the Caspian Sea. The last words are something anyone should have in mind also.
"There's a pretty strange place called "FM Bar". It's just off broadway: If you walk from Amir Temur through Broadway, FM Bar is at the main crossing. Turn left towards Mirstor, keep to the right side, and you'll see it. There's a security guy outside the door, it's open after around 16:00 usually. It's as close to a striptease club that you can get in Tashkent, which means: The girls don't get totally naked, but stay in their underwear (with a few dancing exceptions).
You'll pay an entrance fee of around 3 $. Inside, the prices are very fair, a beer will set you back some 2$.
Usually, there are loads of girls and not very many guys in there. Some of the girls are absolutely stunning, while others look like they've been working their for too long.
Usually, they'll come to your table and ask you whether you want a lapdance or a massage. The lapdance is a normal lapdance, and after it's done you're expected to hand a tip to the girl (usually 3000 Sum (1. 5$) will do, if you really enjoyed the dance pay 5000 (2. 5 $).
The massage is a neck and shoulder massage. Try it out: Some of the girls are really, really good at that. If you had a hard day, getting such massage while having your beer at the same time is just simply great. The price is the same as for the lapdance. Usually, lapdance and massage last for the duration of one song.
Actually, I've never tried to take any of the girls there home (despite that it can be extremely tempting). From how well I know the region, however, it must be possible. Either the direct way (just ask them) , or the indirect way (invite them for dinner the next day, or ask them when they have free time). It's likely you'll get somewhere like this. I'll let know once I tried. But really, I can't imagine this to be anyhow difficult. Some of the girls might not go for it, but I'm absolutely sure most will. Again: Be nice, be a gentleman, treat them well. That's a very important trick here, because many of the local males tend to be total machos. And despite the fact that many local girls expect you to be a macho to an extent, you still impress most of them by being a gentle, nice, but at the same time decisive and visibly powerful sort of "alpha animal with a heart".
And bear in mind: There are no "two kinds of girls". It doesn't matter whether you are talking to a stripper or a girl you meet on the street. Their desires and life attitudes are mostly the same, and if you treat them right, you'll be successful."
Norwegian76
08-30-12, 17:03
Anyone that has any experience with sexual power pills in pharmacy's in Kiev?
Is it possible to get Viagra etc. Without prescriptions?
Any practical advice for gently dumping a girlfriend? I am serious, this is not a joke!I wish I had the answer to that. Some guys can break up with girls and still stay friends. Other guys, like me, will be bitterly hated for years to come.
A beer drinking, young, cheap guy.
I suggest hitting the same places the young, beer drinking, cheap Ukrainian guys go.
Good luck, you are going to need it.
For absolutely no reason but up to early on a Monday I booked tickets to Kiev.
Been skimmin the forum, some good, most trash or outdated.
Is there and good looking cheap women? Where is good gatherings?
Popular english speaking clubs?
My good looking mid 20s body isn't paying 200usd.
Anyone up for a beer whos on town? Pm me
The minimal help the French gave during the American Revolution, which mostly consisted of political recognition and maneuvering didn't quite compare to the US liberation of Europe during WW2 and the rebuilding of Europe after the war. As time proved loss of colonies for all European powers was inevitable.
FYI, if the frenchs would have not been here to help, the US national dish would be fish and chips now. (rolleyes)
Thanks for the answer. I hadn't had a good laugh all day.
, I'll answer. I'm not a club guy,.
Popular clubs?"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.
http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/
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UK is not a member of the Schengen visa scheme. It depends on a lot of Factors.
But say for a young UA girl to apply for a UK visa, her chances are almost ZERO.
There are many, many more Chinese tourists who visit France than the UK, because its easier for them to get a Visa.
I know at one time some UA girls were getting Schengen visa by applying through the Czech Embassy in Kiev. The Czech republic is a member of the Schengen Scheme.
Paying a bribe, false documents, Dunno.
Schengen visa is a centralized system for all members, which allow free travel and movements withiin members of the Schengen Scheme. There is no Visa for only one country in the scheme.Please let me know the cost and time to get a Shengen Visa. Thanks
Thanks for the answer. I hadn't had a good laugh all day.Well, it's just reciprocity for your entertaining BS.
You guys really don't have a clue about what you are talking about. It's all about the blinky lights.
Me, jugling dozens of hots girls all over the world and they know about it. You guys, not so much.
I am planning a trip to Kiev for 2 weeks at the end of September.
Do any of you humble mongers know the current lineup at the despised club?
Would be nice to see what new talent is available and which veterans are still working there.
Question 1. Are you then a Poser doing that in the clubs.Not so. I am a tall, athletic, olive-skinned and green eyed guy with shoulders like a Piterbilt bumper, but I most often ignore most girls and primarily go out to get drunk and enjoy the atmosphere, especially when it's debauched. And furthermore I'm not against a good brawl from time to time. So am I a poser? (rolleyes)
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1039-Tashkent&p=1048457&viewfull=1#post1048457
Please let me know the cost and time to get a Shengen Visa. ThanksOne of my girls told me 250€, another one told me 300$.
Time: a couple of weeks to a month.
The girl in Zaporoje had to travel to Kiev for a meeting at the Consulate
I wish I had the answer to that. Some guys can break up with girls and still stay friends. Other guys, like me, will be bitterly hated for years to come.My former Brazilian GF now hates me. She even left threats to my children on my voicemail, so I made a police report. Yes, Brazil is a violent country!
My former Russian GF is now one of my best buddies.
Go figure!
GuyThatLikesStuf
08-31-12, 00:25
Not true. Your assuming every hot Ukranian girl can strip. It's just not like that. For every girl that can strip, there are two that tried the job and could not do it and there are another two that would not even consider it. I've had a few stripper girlfriends and it's always the same story when you look at the over all picture of friends included.The point was they will come to America over France because of opportunity. Not that they ALL become strippers. Some will prostitute and some will try to find a husband and some will do under the table modeling jobs. Stripping is just a very common example of how the pay the bills until the get the EAD.
And those few girls that say they do not want to come to America, it generally has to do with the fact that they are intimidated with the english language.
But your statement about strippers is totally correct. There are a lot of CIS and Latin girls in NYC that tried stripping and would rather prostitute despite the risk.
Please let me know the cost and time to get a Shengen Visa. ThanksAll The Info you need.
There are currently 25 European countries that belong to the Schengen Area: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.
Schengen visa generally covers entry and travel in all of the countries that have signed the Schengen Agreement, although there are exceptional cases in which the visa may restrict your travel to certain Schengen countries.
There are three types of the Schengen visas:
. Airport transit visa (type 'A') : for a stopover or transfer at an airport of a Schengen State.
. Transit visa (type 'B') : for a transit through the territory of one or more Schengen States.
. Short-term visa (type 'C') : for staying in one or several Schengen States.
Schengen visa allows stays which do not exceed three months over a six-month period (90 days during 180 days)
For longer periods of time abroad, national visas (type 'D') and residence permits are required for Schengen countries.
Schengen visas can be valid for single entry or multiple entries. If you plan leaving the Schengen area during your travel, you should apply for the multiple-entry Schengen visa.
Applications for the Schengen visa must be made at the consulate of the country that is your main destination. If your main destination is unclear (you plan to visit several Schengen countries and stay approximately the same period of time in each of them) , the country you first enter is responsible for handling your visa application.
A uniform visa application form is used by all Schengen countries.
SCHENGEN VISAS DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO WORK OR TO CARRY OUT ANY OTHER ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES DURING YOUR STAY.
HOW SHOULD I APPLY FOR A SCHENGEN VISA.
Contact the respective embassy / consular section and clarify the information about:
. Specific documents to be provided for the visa type that you need.
. Procedure of submission of your visa application. Please note that embassies of Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain have introduced the new procedure for handling the visa applications through the intermediaries. Following the new procedure, you should submit your visa application with all the supporting documents to the special visa centres. The services of such visa centres are not free. The embassies of Germany and France are partly using the services of such visa centres (they are responsible for assigning the date of your interview in the Embassy)
Complete and sign your visa application form, attach your recent photograph to it. Schengen visa application forms are free and are distributed at the embassies. You may also download the application forms from the websites of the embassies or consular departments.
Present a valid passport (validity must extend until at least 3 months after the end of the planned journey)
Present documents that describe the purpose and circumstances of your visit (an official letter, a written request, etc)
(Demonstrate sufficient means of subsistence for the proposed journey and for the return trip to Ukraine (for example, bank statements, proof of income or an invitation letter or sponsorship declaration from your relatives / friends in a Schengen country)
Schengen visa generally covers entry and travel in all of the countries that have signed the Schengen Agreement, although there are exceptional cases in which the visa may restrict your travel to certain Schengen countries.
There are three types of the Schengen visas:
. Airport transit visa (type 'A') : for a stopover or transfer at an airport of a Schengen State.
. Transit visa (type 'B') : for a transit through the territory of one or more Schengen States.
. Short-term visa (type 'C') : for staying in one or several Schengen States.
Schengen visa allows stays which do not exceed three months over a six-month period (90 days during 180 days)
For longer periods of time abroad, national visas (type 'D') and residence permits are required for Schengen countries.
Schengen visas can be valid for single entry or multiple entries. If you plan leaving the Schengen area during your travel, you should apply for the multiple-entry Schengen visa.
Applications for the Schengen visa must be made at the consulate of the country that is your main destination. If your main destination is unclear (you plan to visit several Schengen countries and stay approximately the same period of time in each of them) , the country you first enter is responsible for handling your visa application.
A uniform visa application form is used by all Schengen countries.
SCHENGEN VISAS DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO WORK OR TO CARRY OUT ANY OTHER ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES DURING YOUR STAY.
HOW SHOULD I APPLY FOR A SCHENGEN VISA.
Contact the respective embassy / consular section and clarify the information about:
. Specific documents to be provided for the visa type that you need.
. Procedure of submission of your visa application. Please note that embassies of Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain have introduced the new procedure for handling the visa applications through the intermediaries. Following the new procedure, you should submit your visa application with all the supporting documents to the special visa centres. The services of such visa centres are not free. The embassies of Germany and France are partly using the services of such visa centres (they are responsible for assigning the date of your interview in the Embassy)
Complete and sign your visa application form, attach your recent photograph to it. Schengen visa application forms are free and are distributed at the embassies. You may also download the application forms from the websites of the embassies or consular departments.
Present a valid passport (validity must extend until at least 3 months after the end of the planned journey)
Present documents that describe the purpose and circumstances of your visit (an official letter, a written request, etc)
Demonstrate sufficient means of subsistence for the proposed journey and for the return trip to Ukraine (for example, bank statements, proof of income or an invitation letter or sponsorship declaration from your relatives / friends in a Schengen country)
You may be asked for a copy of your travel itinerary with a confirmed reservation or another proof of your means of transport.
Arrange and present the medical insurance which should be valid in all countries of the European Union and for the whole duration of the stay (number of days) and the validity period of the visa (insurance must cover a minimum of € 30 000)
Pay the consular fee (handling fee for submitting visa application)
Any embassy reserves the right to request any other supporting documents.
A decision on a visa application shall be taken within 10 calendar days of the date of the receipt of the complete visa application and the supporting documents (this period may be extended up to 30 days when further scrutiny is needed).
VISA HANDLING FEE FOR UKRAINIAN CITIZENS.
The fee for processing all types of Schengen visa applications, irrespective of the number of entries, is € 35.
There is the possibility of charging an extra fee of € 70 on urgent requests (3 days before departure). This does not apply to members of official delegations, members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, cases related to humanitarian or health reasons (disabled persons and those to receive urgent medical treatment) , journalists and pensioners.
CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXEMPTED FROM THE VISA FEE:
Close relatives. Spouses, children (including adopted) , parents (including custodians) , grandparents and grandchildren, visiting citizens of Ukraine legally residing in the territory of the Member States.
Members of official delegations who, following an official invitation addressed to Ukraine, shall participate in meetings, consultations, negotiations or exchange programmes, as well as in events held in the territory of one of the Member States by intergovernmental organizations.
Members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, if they are not exempted from the visa requirement by the Agreement between EC and Ukraine on the facilitation of the issuance of visas.
Pupils, students, post-graduate students and accompanying teachers who undertake trips for the purposes of study or educational training.
Disabled persons and the person accompanying them, if necessary.
Persons who have presented documents proving the necessity of their travel on humanitarian grounds, including to receive urgent medical treatment and the person accompanying such person, or to attend a funeral of a close relative, or to visit a close relative seriously ill.
Participants in international sports events and persons accompanying them in a professional capacity.
Persons participating in scientific, cultural and artistic activities including university and other exchange programmes.
Participants in official exchange programmes organised by twin cities.
Journalists.
Pensioners.
Drivers conducting international cargo and passenger transportation services to the territories of the Member states in vehicles registered in Ukraine.
Members of train, refrigerator and locomotive crews in international trains travelling to the territories of the Member States.
Children under the age of 18 and dependant children under the age of 21.
What is the Schengen Information System (SIS)?
The Schengen Information System was introduced as a result of the agreements between the Schengen countries on police cooperation and assistance for purposes of prevention and search for punishable facts, and also for the purposes of preventing illegal migration from the third countries to the countries of Schengen area.
The information on every applicant for the Schengen visa is checked in the SIS database. Schengen visa may be denied if the applicant is a person for whom an alert has been issued in the SIS. In such cases, the Schengen visa can be issued only in exceptional cases.
VISA WARNING.
Embassies ask that all individuals applying for a visa give complete and correct information about themselves on a visa application form. Do not fall prey to outside parties who want to convince you that there are 'right' answers to visa applications. Though you may be reluctant to answer visa questions honestly, despite what 'consultants' may say, truth is your greatest defence. If you are caught lying on your visa application, there is a good chance that you will be refused to enter the country. Remember that the information you provide during your visa application is investigated by the embassy officials and the only right answers are the truthful ones.
You may be asked for a copy of your travel itinerary with a confirmed reservation or another proof of your means of transport.
Arrange and present the medical insurance which should be valid in all countries of the European Union and for the whole duration of the stay (number of days) and the validity period of the visa (insurance must cover a minimum of € 30 000)
Pay the consular fee (handling fee for submitting visa application)
Any embassy reserves the right to request any other supporting documents.
A decision on a visa application shall be taken within 10 calendar days of the date of the receipt of the complete visa application and the supporting documents (this period may be extended up to 30 days when further scrutiny is needed).
VISA HANDLING FEE FOR UKRAINIAN CITIZENS.
The fee for processing all types of Schengen visa applications, irrespective of the number of entries, is € 35.
There is the possibility of charging an extra fee of € 70 on urgent requests (3 days before departure). This does not apply to members of official delegations, members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, cases related to humanitarian or health reasons (disabled persons and those to receive urgent medical treatment) , journalists and pensioners.
CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXEMPTED FROM THE VISA FEE:
Close relatives. Spouses, children (including adopted) , parents (including custodians) , grandparents and grandchildren, visiting citizens of Ukraine legally residing in the territory of the Member States.
Members of official delegations who, following an official invitation addressed to Ukraine, shall participate in meetings, consultations, negotiations or exchange programmes, as well as in events held in the territory of one of the Member States by intergovernmental organizations.
Members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, if they are not exempted from the visa requirement by the Agreement between EC and Ukraine on the facilitation of the issuance of visas.
Pupils, students, post-graduate students and accompanying teachers who undertake trips for the purposes of study or educational training.
Disabled persons and the person accompanying them, if necessary.
Persons who have presented documents proving the necessity of their travel on humanitarian grounds, including to receive urgent medical treatment and the person accompanying such person, or to attend a funeral of a close relative, or to visit a close relative seriously ill.
Participants in international sports events and persons accompanying them in a professional capacity.
Persons participating in scientific, cultural and artistic activities including university and other exchange programmes.
Participants in official exchange programmes organised by twin cities.
Journalists.
Pensioners.
Drivers conducting international cargo and passenger transportation services to the territories of the Member states in vehicles registered in Ukraine.
Members of train, refrigerator and locomotive crews in international trains travelling to the territories of the Member States.
Children under the age of 18 and dependant children under the age of 21.
What is the Schengen Information System (SIS)?
The Schengen Information System was introduced as a result of the agreements between the Schengen countries on police cooperation and assistance for purposes of prevention and search for punishable facts, and also for the purposes of preventing illegal migration from the third countries to the countries of Schengen area.
The information on every applicant for the Schengen visa is checked in the SIS database. Schengen visa may be denied if the applicant is a person for whom an alert has been issued in the SIS. In such cases, the Schengen visa can be issued only in exceptional cases.
VISA WARNING.
Embassies ask that all individuals applying for a visa give complete and correct information about themselves on a visa application form. Do not fall prey to outside parties who want to convince you that there are 'right' answers to visa applications. Though you may be reluctant to answer visa questions honestly, despite what 'consultants' may say, truth is your greatest defence. If you are caught lying on your visa application, there is a good chance that you will be refused to enter the country. Remember that the information you provide during your visa application is investigated by the embassy officials and the only right answers are the truthful ones.
Ronaldinjo
08-31-12, 05:18
Helo old man, when are you coming to Kiev?
Try :
# Porter Bars.
http://www.porter.com.ua/
# Shooters.
http://www.shooters.kiev.ua/
# Vodka Bar.
http://www.vodka-bar.com.ua/
Have a nice trip)
For absolutely no reason but up to early on a Monday I booked tickets to Kiev.
Been skimmin the forum, some good, most trash or outdated.
Is there and good looking cheap women? Where is good gatherings?
Popular english speaking clubs?
My good looking mid 20s body isn't paying 200usd.
Anyone up for a beer whos on town? Pm me
Please let me know the cost and time to get a Shengen Visa. ThanksTo summarize the detailed info posted below.
35 euros for all kinds of visas.
Plus additional fees if applied through the Embassies of Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium.
The fees are for using intermediaries for applications to the Embassies above.
Franch and German Embassies partly use the services of those agents. Ie it means probably additinoal fees.
Urgent Visas 3 days before departure is 70 euros.
It takes about 10 calendar days for visas to be issued, but in some cases up to 30 days.
That said, have you got a UA girl in mind?
Helo old man, when are you coming to Kiev?LOL. Why don't you phone Rio Club?
The point was they will come to America over France because of opportunity..
America over France because of opprtunity and there is sweet fuck all for them to do.
In France, careers, jobs, opportinities. Excluding Russian and Ukrainian girls (Including Strippers) who chose France over America because of "Tall Olive Skinned Green eyed (colored lenses?) French Man called Prosal who lives in Paris. LOL.
Now I know why the French are Flooding to London too, because No Sex and No Opportunities In France.
The point was they will come to America over France because of opportunity..
Now I know why the French are Flooding to London too, because No Sex and No Opportunities In France.
Bungie. Net : Off Topic: The Flood : London, France's sixth biggest.
www.bungie.net********posts.aspx?postID=72489759
11 posts. 8 authors. 30 May.
London, France's sixth biggest city "I came to London from Paris straight after graduating from art school, just to have a look," says Malika Favre.
The point was they will come to America over France because of opportunity.Now I know why the French are Flooding to London too, because No Sex and No Opportunities In France.
Bungie. Net : Off Topic: The Flood : London, France's sixth biggest.
www.bungie.net********posts.aspx?postID=72489759
11 posts. 8 authors. 30 May.
London, France's sixth biggest city "I came to London from Paris straight after graduating from art school, just to have a look," says Malika Favre.
The French community in London.
Paris-on-Thames.
The French influx to London.
This is how the Economist magazine called it.
I would rather have a Kiev with all the girls on Thames.
El Cubanito
08-31-12, 15:27
"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.
http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/There is alot about Ukraine that is not posted here. The main thing you HAVE TO KNOW THE LANGUAGE. If you know the language and you have game, you will be treated to some of the most tender pussy on the face of the Earth. I was in dnipropetrovsk and the Apartment I rented was directly downtown. Well, there were a bunch of College girls staying next door to me. I made very little conversation with the limited Ukraine that I had and the limited English they had and this one tall Ukraine girl gave me one of the best mind blowing blow jobs that I ever had. Cost, dinner going to the clubs plus drinks, plus having game. They love it. The next day I had to leave for Kiev since I was coming back to the United States. The one that stay with me accompany me to Kiev and now I have some sweet thing waiting for me in October when I go back. I am under NO illusion here, since she is 23 and I am 51, but we had a great time. This is the sort of info that shoulb be written here, not about Rio. Rio is shooting ducks in the Barrell that is no fun. But getting to hang out with a normal girl, that is special and rewarding. It all about the game fellas, It all about the game.
"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.
http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/Really credit goes to Prosal for this tip and link.
This is the kind of Place whih really sums up what a lot Of Ukraine should be about, not any old without a soul or national character like a lot of the fucking discos in Kiev which could be anywhere.
But I imagine to go to such a place you need to be in the company of a female or better still in a group. .
I am in the process of getting info and tips about such places in Kiev for my forthcoming mongering trip to Kiev. This time I am taking my wingwoman with me to meet up with my other wingwoman in Kiev to explore hidden gems and venues like the above in Kiev.
There is a place like that I already posted on, called Xata Rabata on the other side of the Dnipro.
Greek, Georgian venues in EE countries with live music tend to be very good as well
Sorrybabushka in Kiev sounds. Like another Russian institution in the heart of London, Knightsbridge, called Boescht and Tears.
A great place with live music and mingling with other females, but you need to be accompanied.
http://www.borshtchntears.com/
"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.
http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/Really credit goes to Prosal for this tip and link.
This is the kind of Place whih really sums up what a lot Of Ukraine should be about, not any old without a soul or national character like a lot of the fucking discos in Kiev which could be anywhere.
But I imagine to go to such a place you need to be in the company of a female or better still in a group. .
I am in the process of getting info and tips about such places in Kiev for my forthcoming mongering trip to Kiev. This time I am taking my wingwoman with me to meet up with my other wingwoman in Kiev to explore hidden gems and venues like the above in Kiev.
There is a place like that I already posted on, called Xata Rabata on the other side of the Dnipro.
Greek, Georgian venues in EE countries with live music tend to be very good as well
Sorrybabushka in Kiev sounds. Like another Russian institution in the heart of London, Knightsbridge, called Boescht and Tears.
A great place with live music and mingling with other females, but you need to be accompanied.
http://www.borshtchntears.com/.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=borscht+and+tears+london+photos&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=you&source=univ&sa=X&ei=7c9AUMGGENGb1AWb-ICIDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CB8QsAQ&biw=744&bih=338.
Helo old man, when are you coming to Kiev?Why do you waste bandwidth with this drivel? You can send him a pm and not bother the rest of us with your inanity.
What do you want to do with LJ, kiss his ass?
My former Brazilian GF now hates me. She even left threats to my children on my voicemail, so I made a police report. Yes, Brazil is a violent country!
My former Russian GF is now one of my best buddies.
Go figure!Tell them that your house, apartment is being reposssesed due to a foreclosure by a nasty bank and you are looking to relocate for a much cheaper life style by downsizing and renting a cheapish place in their home countries.
If you do hear from them again, then they are your true. Girlfriends.
Girlfriends In Need are Girlfriends Indeed.
"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.
http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/Did you go there alone?
Not being nosy here, but why didn't you post on this place before?
I don't think this is the sort oof place to look for Pros or semi pros, is it.
Why do you waste bandwidth with this drivel? You can send him a pm and not bother the rest of us with your inanity.
What do you want to do with LJ, kiss his ass?Ronaldjno is joined to LJ in an Umbilical Cord, so I guess he is just being Curious which is only Natural.
Why The Angst Old Boy.
Calm Down, its so much Fun this Kiev Thread.
PedroToronja
08-31-12, 21:10
In Kiev 23-1 looking for english comp for some shagg huntin.
Pm meI hunt there every 60 days, almost on the cock, sorry: clock. Next is sept 23, then Nov 24
PedroToronja
08-31-12, 21:16
Anyone that has any experience with sexual power pills in pharmacy's in Kiev?
Is it possible to get Viagra etc. Without prescriptions?. Without a prescription in Kiev. They look authentic, but like everything else, it may be cheap copies made in Turkey or worst. I always bring plenty with me, you never know. One winter gone it snowed so hard that they closed the airport for a couple of days and panic took me over: Imagine being locked in Kiev without Viagra! I was desperate! But they did open the airport for my time to go back home. Sometimes I have nightmares thinking back on that trip and imagining no viagra in Kiev. Horrible!
PedroToronja
08-31-12, 21:20
Please let me know the cost and time to get a Shengen Visa. ThanksWith that travel agency. They take care of it, but need to issue RT ticket + hotel and the girl may need to have about $200 in her bank, and show the statement. Is all a con job, but it works and they all do it.
Ronaldinjo
08-31-12, 22:26
Why do you waste bandwidth with this drivel? You can send him a pm and not bother the rest of us with your inanity.
What do you want to do with LJ, kiss his ass?We are living in democratic world, I can write whatever I want without asking your permission, your brightness. As for Lj, he brings us 1000 times better information than you do. I'm here to get information that I need and use it even if it seems boring to you. I'm not interested about 1200 phone imaginary numbers you have in your phone. He dissapeared recently and I hope he continues to write here and don't get scared from your agressive comments. We are looking for you to come back Lj.
In Kiev working recently, I don't have time to do research, put in legwork to build up contacts or am able to stay up all night going to the clubs and language skills zilch so I know my limitations in terms of options. I have visited a couple of apartments before with decent outcomes plus I have had an incall to my hotel but the aggravation re language, finding addresses is time consuming and the hit and miss nature of the hobby is problematic.
On my last visit I was indifferent about indulging as I do get plenty in other locations I go but I was feeling horny so called Salon Dolly who are located close to my hotel. Full sex is not offered but a happy ending clearly is according to their website. I went with an open mind, happy if all I got was a half decent massage. What followed was way above those expectations. Offered a choice of 3 girls I chose Nastya, she was slim and had decent breasts and body to body was part of the service so no point in choosing a flat chested girl!
1 hour later I had a very relaxing oily full body massage followed by body to body massage ending with a very nice oily breast wank and handjob whilst my hands strayed all over Nastyas oily naked body. She brought me to a really unforgettable climax so much so I was wobbly when I left. The experience was way better than many full sex encounters I have had in the past and next time I am in Kiev I will definitely return. A great option if you're feeling lazy or short of time. Damage UAH 350 + 50 tip
I'm not interested about 1200 phone imaginary numbers you have in your phone.The guy with the alleged "1200 phone numbers in his phone" isn't Uke B, but the one who " plays the game at a different level then most on this site" And who "jugles dozens of hots girls all over the world". (wink)
Member #4491
09-02-12, 09:24
In Kiev working recently, I don't have time to do research.Thank you Bloke. Information saved. Good to see a report and even better to see a post without the all to frequent and desperate self stroking going on here most of the time.
B.
In Kiev working recently, I don't have time to do research, put in legwork to build up contacts or am able to stay up all night going to the clubs and language skills zilch so I know my limitations in terms of options. I have visited a couple of apartments before with decent outcomes plus I have had an incall to my hotel but the aggravation re language, finding addresses is time consuming and the hit and miss nature of the hobby is problematic.
On my last visit I was indifferent about indulging as I do get plenty in other locations I go but I was feeling horny so called Salon Dolly who are located close to my hotel. Full sex is not offered but a happy ending clearly is according to their website. I went with an open mind, happy if all I got was a half decent massage. What followed was way above those expectations. Offered a choice of 3 girls I chose Nastya, she was slim and had decent breasts and body to body was part of the service so no point in choosing a flat chested girl!
1 hour later I had a very relaxing oily full body massage followed by body to body massage ending with a very nice oily breast wank and handjob whilst my hands strayed all over Nastyas oily naked body. She brought me to a really unforgettable climax so much so I was wobbly when I left. The experience was way better than many full sex encounters I have had in the past and next time I am in Kiev I will definitely return. A great option if you're feeling lazy or short of time. Damage UAH 350 + 50 tipThis is the only reason I keep checking this site. For authentic experience reviews with descriptions and locations of where to get some fun. There is so much rambling nonsense here it's so refreshing to see a proper, useful review at last.
Helo old man, when are you coming to Kiev?
We are living in democratic world, I can write whatever I want without asking your permission, your brightness. As for Lj, he brings us 1000 times better information than you do. I'm here to get information that I need and use it even if it seems boring to you. I'm not interested about 1200 phone imaginary numbers you have in your phone. He dissapeared recently and I hope he continues to write here and don't get scared from your agressive comments. We are looking for you to come back Lj.Dear Ronaldinjo,
I haven't disappeared. Nor have I ever been scared by the aggressive comments of a few assholes that inhabit this thread along with the rest of us. Just as the human body has a mind that can dream and a heart that can sing, eyes with which to behold the beauties of Kiev, and tongues with which to tastepossessory also possesses an asshole through which passes all its drek and dross that should be eliminated, so too does this ISG thread on Kiev have it's dreamers and thinkers, its singers and its venerable masters, and yes its assholes too, through which pass all their drek and drivel onto this thread for your reading pleasure. And you assholes know who you are! In the interests of avoiding a war, I shall not name names. But if upon reading these my words your sphincter is puckering and your juices fuming with anger or irritation, then you are one of the assholes. And if you are laughing, then you are one of the good guys.
Ahhhh. Writing that paragraph was immensely satisfying. I hope why'all out there were as entertained in reading it as I was in writing it. LOL.
Now, Ronaldinjo, the girls typically take me for a good looking 35 to 37 year old guy, so what's with the hello "old man" stuff? I guess some might say "hello Old boy" with the meaning of "hello old friend", so in my vanity, I shall assume you meant it as such.
I haven't posted for a relatively short while because I was waiting for all the nonsense about all kind of extraneous topics to die down, and for the discussion to turn back to our thread's proper topic. Questions and advice on scoring hot pussy in Kiev, be it p4p or freebie sex (I have long since recommended dividing the thread between these two essentially different types of girl-seeking). There has been all this stuff about France bashing and defending, a personal war of words between Prosal and CD, where Russian women prefer to travel, and sundry other off topic stuff, that anything I might have written would be of no use to the newbies who needed any help or advice because it would have immediately been buried in all the drek being spewed out into this thread. And you have to be careful too of which question you ask here, or Jojosun will, in his desire to be helpful, dump the entire pertinent Wikipedia article into this thread for your reading pleasure, and then do it twice, as is his custom.
And it is a given, that newbies, who are the ones who might benefit from what I wrote, will definitely not bother to research the thread conscientiously, and therefore will not spot my post of even two weeks prior, before asking questions just answered. So what would be the point of posting the general information type post I do once in a while? It wouldn't benefit newbies, as it would immediately be buried by the flurry of nonsense being posted of late, and would only irritate those veterans who have short fuses. So better to allow the current trend of discussion to exhaust itself, in my opinion.
The truth is that my last posts were only a short two weeks ago, on this thread, and I haven't gone anywhere. No one's asked a question recently that needed a response beyond what I posted then. For any newbies needing or desiring my comments here are some links to my recent comments that might interest you:
Cost hierarchy of p4p in Kiev.
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1316208&viewfull=1#post1316208
This report earned the following nod from veteran Cruiser D:
That report nicely sums up everything you need to know about p4p action in Kiev based on good intel written in this forum.
Someone should ROD it.Prices Update.
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1318574&viewfull=1#post1318574
This report was in response to Salbatorxxx's question to the forum about Rio, and to any honest reader the report maintains its objectivity and while discussing Rio in response to the question asked, as it must, also put that strip club option into the proper context of the other options available in Kiev, as well as candidly pointed out the deficiencies of Rio in comparison with other strip clubs, and its sole advantage being regarding price for take out.
This report, as well as the previously referenced report, are a complete rebuttal to the "mythology" a few assholes on this thread are trying to promote that my reports are pushing the Rio option, and shilling for Rio, over other options for Kiev mongering. Nothing could be further from the truth. Just follow the links I provided and read what I have actually written in my posts and you will see the lie exposed by the actuality of my words, and the truth shall then dispel the myth. I state this for newbies, so that they don't get confused by the stupidity being posted by a few idiots on this thread. What I have written is clearly objective and fair reviewing of ALL options in Kiev, pointing out factors that occur to me might be important to other mongers as pros and cons for themselves in each option or venue. There is no shilling going on whatsoever.
There is however a mania that has infected a few zombies here on the thread to the point that they refer to Rio strip club as "the despised club" or not wanting to even utter the unholy name of the place refer to it as "the three letter club" or some other ridiculous manner. Dear newbie, when you read some such references to a place in Kiev that is just like any other place, with no mystery, you should simply know that the author of the comment you are at that time reading is a moron of the first order who resides in an alternate reality from this here and now world, and simply discount what they are saying, once you realize that they have some sort of mental "issue" either with my brazenness in continuing to post my opinion in the face of their intimidation, or they hate the club, or some such other nonsense that has nothing to do with giving you usable information for mongering in Kiev. The intimidation by way of name calling and insult that these guys have tried to foster here on this thread is palpable, and has members afraid to mention they visited Rio or had a nice time there. There are notable exceptions such as guys like Kirsch who posts about his great times without fear and with honesty. The intimidation unfortunately has guys like Jojosun scurrying to quickly disassociate themselves from my mongering objectives or reports. How sad, the lack of backbone. Really Jojo you disappointed me with that one, as well as your latest taunt to Ronaldinjo to find me by calling Rio, haha, which I'm sure you meant as a jest, but nevertheless feeds the mindless myth of the "intimidators" whom you apparently fear. You once posted your analysis that trashed that shilling and multiple identity stupidity by incisive logic. Where is that great mind of yours now? Yet I do not need allies to stand with me openly on this forum, if they don't have the balls to suffer the abuse of the "intimidators" lurking here. My shoulders are big enough to handle the criticism of the cretins who resort to name calling and smear of shilling for Rio that they promote as a myth in order to try to discredit my clearly balanced and honest reporting, such as the last one who tried it, namely PedroToronja. I often receive PM's of support from those who can recognize the difference between truth and bullshit. The symptom of mindlessness is most evident when in response to a cogent argument you see in the next responding post merely name calling and smear instead of a lucid argument. Here is a link to my response to Pedro:
Response to PedroToronja accusation of shilling:
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1319461&viewfull=1#post1319461
Dear newbie, if you can come away from reading the three posts I just referenced above with any shred of doubt as to my accuracy and integrity in reporting here on this thread, then you are hopeless and I recommend for you to not read my posts. However, if you feel you can benefit from the information I have presented and will continue to present, then by all means drink of these waters and gain knowledge. I think most newbies are intelligent enough to use the sniff test to recognize the bullshitters from those who honestly report on all options and don't have an axe to grind or a bias against any one option in particular. It is for those readers that I post my reports. Live and let live!
I don't think LilJoey or Jojo are. A shill for Rio in the least bit. I simply think they were both grabbing for the lowest hanging fruit and the easiest option.Cruiser D is not a fan of my posts, but rather a critic, since he is a veteran who knows the information I post for newbies, and doesn't need it. So to him it's useless, as he can always fall back on the many numbers he has in his vaunted Contacts list of girls in Kiev he previously met over the years. But at least he is honest. He knows the shilling thing is bullshit. However, he feels I took the easy way to finding really hot pussy in Kiev, when there are more fun ways or maybe cheaper ways. That criticism I accept, because you see he is precisely correct. I was looking for the easiest and most sure way to get hot pussy into my bed without fail each night of a three night visit to Kiev. So I looked for the easiest and surest way. If that's what you too are looking for, then my own experiences can be helpful to you. If you are instead looking to chase freebies and not p4p, or your budget or economic mentality cannot allow you to spend more than a minimum of $100 on a p4p experience, then you must find a different guru or source for the good info. My easy and sure way turned out to be an expensive way, but I expected to pay more for convenience and certainty, as is always the case, and tried to get the best prices I felt possible without sacrificing too much convenience and certainty. But I certainly always pointed out the cheaper, but less certain or convenient ways of getting pussy in Kiev. I absolutely never concealed the cheaper ways. So my posts always enabled the reader to choose his own preferences based on the factors most important to each individual monger.
Why did I choose to go into an explanation of the contentiousness that surrounds Rio and some of my posts? Because it became clear that newbies wouldn't understand the history of this dispute. Witness the honest question of Salbatorxxxx a recent poster on this thread, who is completely oblivious to the bullshitters and can't understand what all the fuss they are making is all about. I posted the above, to explain this to him and to other newbies similarly situated. Here's what he wrote:
Guys.
Had I known that my reference of being french would have triggered so many comments, I wouldn't have done it! I thought this forum was about exploring the best possible ways of getting laid in Kiev, not discussing the merits or flaws of the French army. I didn't respond to any of the French bashing as I really don't care about that.
So if I get back to the main subject, I didn't understand Pedro's post on being careful about what people say, especially about RIO. I've been to RIO 3 times and it has been an excellent experience each time. With LJ's post, I know 2 more strip clubs that I'll hit next week (Dolls and Mandarin).
Regarding going to strip clubs being seen as "the low hanging fruit", this is your opinion. I also like to mix it with chasing regular girls at nightclubs but there's no hierarchy for me between the 2 options. A few years back, I used to think that getting a regular girl in my bed was more heroic and then I grew up and realized that the goal was to do the sexiest possible girl (paid or not). I didn't really like the association you made between being a freebie on this forum and taking the "low hanging fruit" option. It's not because someone hasn't been writing on this forum his entire life, that he cannot score a regular girl in a disco and decide what option is good for him. We're all grown men after all.
Voilà
SxxxI agree with the balance of his comments as well. The whole French thing on this thread was completely useless and a waste of time. And there is no hierarchy of what's the best mongering option in the abstract sense, because different mongers have different abilities, different goals, different circumstances, etc. So to each his own. Right on, Salbatorxxxx. You stated it correctly.
In an effort to get this thread back on track, I post the following link to my post on issues regarding using Mamba. Maybe it will generate some discussion on that topic that will provide helpful guidance for those wishing to visit Kiev for mongering. Getting contacts from mamba. Ru is one of the favored methods of finding inexpensive pussy in Kiev, so much more insight and attention should be paid to how to go about it. Here is the link to my thoughts and questions on the topic of mamba:
Developing a Strategy For Using Mamba For P4P:
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1317670&viewfull=1#post1317670
Happy Mongering.
LJ
Hi guys.
Is it just me or the search engine in mamba. Ru does not work anymore?
I got a free account and the age range search does not apply.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 13227. The intimidation unfortunately has guys like Jojosun scurrying to quickly disassociate themselves from my mongering objectives or reports. How sad, the lack of backbone. Really Jojo you disappointed me with that one, as well as your latest taunt to Ronaldinjo to find me by calling Rio, haha, which I'm sure you meant as a jest, but nevertheless feeds the mindless myth of the "intimidators" whom you apparently fear. You once posted your analysis that trashed that shilling and multiple identity stupidity by incisive logic. Where is that great mind of yours now? Yet I do not need allies to stand with me openly on this forum, if they don't have the balls to suffer the abuse of the "intimidators" lurking here. My shoulders are big enough to handle the criticism of the cretins who resort to name calling and smear of shilling for Rio that they promote as a myth in order to try to discredit my clearly balanced and honest reporting, such as.
LJ[/QUOTE]Hi LJ.
Replied to the above in detail, but I guess I clicked the key too soon.
I wait to see if it got posted before I re-reply again.
Intimidated never, Entertained and bantering here yes.
With that travel agency. They take care of it, but need to issue RT ticket + hotel and the girl may need to have about $200 in her bank, and show the statement. Is all a con job, but it works and they all do it.Thaks for your answer. Do you mean any agency or do you mean a special one? Which one do you recommend. USD 200 seems for me not a big amount and I trust is also valid for Switzerland a not EU country but in Shengen. Regarding hotel I plan she will be with me in my apartment.Thanks agai for your valauble info
All The Info you need.
There are currently 25 European countries that belong to the Schengen Area: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.
Schengen visa generally covers entry and travel in all of the countries that have signed the Schengen Agreement, although there are exceptional cases in which the visa may restrict your travel to certain Schengen countries.
There are three types of the Schengen visas:
. Airport transit visa (type 'A') : for a stopover or transfer at an airport of a Schengen State.
. Transit visa (type 'B') : for a transit through the territory of one or more Schengen States.
. Short-term visa (type 'C') : for staying in one or several Schengen States.
Schengen visa allows stays which do not exceed three months over a six-month period (90 days during 180 days)
For longer periods of time abroad, national visas (type 'D') and residence permits are required for Schengen countries.
Schengen visas can be valid for single entry or multiple entries. If you plan leaving the Schengen area during your travel, you should apply for the multiple-entry Schengen visa.
Applications for the Schengen visa must be made at the consulate of the country that is your main destination. If your main destination is unclear (you plan to visit several Schengen countries and stay approximately the same period of time in each of them) , the country you first enter is responsible for handling your visa application.
A uniform visa application form is used by all Schengen countries.
SCHENGEN VISAS DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO WORK OR TO CARRY OUT ANY OTHER ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES DURING YOUR STAY.
HOW SHOULD I APPLY FOR A SCHENGEN VISA.
Contact the respective embassy / consular section and clarify the information about:
. Specific documents to be provided for the visa type that you need.
. Procedure of submission of your visa application. Please note that embassies of Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain have introduced the new procedure for handling the visa applications through the intermediaries. Following the new procedure, you should submit your visa application with all the supporting documents to the special visa centres. The services of such visa centres are not free. The embassies of Germany and France are partly using the services of such visa centres (they are responsible for assigning the date of your interview in the Embassy)
Complete and sign your visa application form, attach your recent photograph to it. Schengen visa application forms are free and are distributed at the embassies. You may also download the application forms from the websites of the embassies or consular departments.
Present a valid passport (validity must extend until at least 3 months after the end of the planned journey)
Present documents that describe the purpose and circumstances of your visit (an official letter, a written request, etc)
(Demonstrate sufficient means of subsistence for the proposed journey and for the return trip to Ukraine (for example, bank statements, proof of income or an invitation letter or sponsorship declaration from your relatives / friends in a Schengen country)
Schengen visa generally covers entry and travel in all of the countries that have signed the Schengen Agreement, although there are exceptional cases in which the visa may restrict your travel to certain Schengen countries.
There are three types of the Schengen visas:
. Airport transit visa (type 'A') : for a stopover or transfer at an airport of a Schengen State.
. Transit visa (type 'B') : for a transit through the territory of one or more Schengen States.
. Short-term visa (type 'C') : for staying in one or several Schengen States.
Schengen visa allows stays which do not exceed three months over a six-month period (90 days during 180 days)
For longer periods of time abroad, national visas (type 'D') and residence permits are required for Schengen countries.
Schengen visas can be valid for single entry or multiple entries. If you plan leaving the Schengen area during your travel, you should apply for the multiple-entry Schengen visa.
Applications for the Schengen visa must be made at the consulate of the country that is your main destination. If your main destination is unclear (you plan to visit several Schengen countries and stay approximately the same period of time in each of them) , the country you first enter is responsible for handling your visa application.
A uniform visa application form is used by all Schengen countries.
SCHENGEN VISAS DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO WORK OR TO CARRY OUT ANY OTHER ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES DURING YOUR STAY.
HOW SHOULD I APPLY FOR A SCHENGEN VISA.
Contact the respective embassy / consular section and clarify the information about:
. Specific documents to be provided for the visa type that you need.
. Procedure of submission of your visa application. Please note that embassies of Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain have introduced the new procedure for handling the visa applications through the intermediaries. Following the new procedure, you should submit your visa application with all the supporting documents to the special visa centres. The services of such visa centres are not free. The embassies of Germany and France are partly using the services of such visa centres (they are responsible for assigning the date of your interview in the Embassy)
Complete and sign your visa application form, attach your recent photograph to it. Schengen visa application forms are free and are distributed at the embassies. You may also download the application forms from the websites of the embassies or consular departments.
Present a valid passport (validity must extend until at least 3 months after the end of the planned journey)
Present documents that describe the purpose and circumstances of your visit (an official letter, a written request, etc)
Demonstrate sufficient means of subsistence for the proposed journey and for the return trip to Ukraine (for example, bank statements, proof of income or an invitation letter or sponsorship declaration from your relatives / friends in a Schengen country)
You may be asked for a copy of your travel itinerary with a confirmed reservation or another proof of your means of transport.
Arrange and present the medical insurance which should be valid in all countries of the European Union and for the whole duration of the stay (number of days) and the validity period of the visa (insurance must cover a minimum of € 30 000)
Pay the consular fee (handling fee for submitting visa application)
Any embassy reserves the right to request any other supporting documents.
A decision on a visa application shall be taken within 10 calendar days of the date of the receipt of the complete visa application and the supporting documents (this period may be extended up to 30 days when further scrutiny is needed).
VISA HANDLING FEE FOR UKRAINIAN CITIZENS.
The fee for processing all types of Schengen visa applications, irrespective of the number of entries, is € 35.
There is the possibility of charging an extra fee of € 70 on urgent requests (3 days before departure). This does not apply to members of official delegations, members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, cases related to humanitarian or health reasons (disabled persons and those to receive urgent medical treatment) , journalists and pensioners.
CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXEMPTED FROM THE VISA FEE:
Close relatives. Spouses, children (including adopted) , parents (including custodians) , grandparents and grandchildren, visiting citizens of Ukraine legally residing in the territory of the Member States.
Members of official delegations who, following an official invitation addressed to Ukraine, shall participate in meetings, consultations, negotiations or exchange programmes, as well as in events held in the territory of one of the Member States by intergovernmental organizations.
Members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, if they are not exempted from the visa requirement by the Agreement between EC and Ukraine on the facilitation of the issuance of visas.
Pupils, students, post-graduate students and accompanying teachers who undertake trips for the purposes of study or educational training.
Disabled persons and the person accompanying them, if necessary.
Persons who have presented documents proving the necessity of their travel on humanitarian grounds, including to receive urgent medical treatment and the person accompanying such person, or to attend a funeral of a close relative, or to visit a close relative seriously ill.
Participants in international sports events and persons accompanying them in a professional capacity.
Persons participating in scientific, cultural and artistic activities including university and other exchange programmes.
Participants in official exchange programmes organised by twin cities.
Journalists.
Pensioners.
Drivers conducting international cargo and passenger transportation services to the territories of the Member states in vehicles registered in Ukraine.
Members of train, refrigerator and locomotive crews in international trains travelling to the territories of the Member States.
Children under the age of 18 and dependant children under the age of 21.
What is the Schengen Information System (SIS)?
The Schengen Information System was introduced as a result of the agreements between the Schengen countries on police cooperation and assistance for purposes of prevention and search for punishable facts, and also for the purposes of preventing illegal migration from the third countries to the countries of Schengen area.
The information on every applicant for the Schengen visa is checked in the SIS database. Schengen visa may be denied if the applicant is a person for whom an alert has been issued in the SIS. In such cases, the Schengen visa can be issued only in exceptional cases.
VISA WARNING.
Embassies ask that all individuals applying for a visa give complete and correct information about themselves on a visa application form. Do not fall prey to outside parties who want to convince you that there are 'right' answers to visa applications. Though you may be reluctant to answer visa questions honestly, despite what 'consultants' may say, truth is your greatest defence. If you are caught lying on your visa application, there is a good chance that you will be refused to enter the country. Remember that the information you provide during your visa application is investigated by the embassy officials and the only right answers are the truthful ones.
You may be asked for a copy of your travel itinerary with a confirmed reservation or another proof of your means of transport.
Arrange and present the medical insurance which should be valid in all countries of the European Union and for the whole duration of the stay (number of days) and the validity period of the visa (insurance must cover a minimum of € 30 000)
Pay the consular fee (handling fee for submitting visa application)
Any embassy reserves the right to request any other supporting documents.
A decision on a visa application shall be taken within 10 calendar days of the date of the receipt of the complete visa application and the supporting documents (this period may be extended up to 30 days when further scrutiny is needed).
VISA HANDLING FEE FOR UKRAINIAN CITIZENS.
The fee for processing all types of Schengen visa applications, irrespective of the number of entries, is € 35.
There is the possibility of charging an extra fee of € 70 on urgent requests (3 days before departure). This does not apply to members of official delegations, members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, cases related to humanitarian or health reasons (disabled persons and those to receive urgent medical treatment) , journalists and pensioners.
CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXEMPTED FROM THE VISA FEE:
Close relatives. Spouses, children (including adopted) , parents (including custodians) , grandparents and grandchildren, visiting citizens of Ukraine legally residing in the territory of the Member States.
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Thanks for your valuable infoWelcome my friend.
My other friend on this thread Liljoey didn't think I should have posted it in full and twice as well. I agree, but there was an error and on half a bottle of wine by then as usual.
Cheers
. Switzerland a not EU country but in Shengen. Regarding hotel I plan she will be with me in my apartment.I she stays with you then you need to send her a certifed letter of invitation.
. I did get lucky as I made friends with these locals who spoke English and got to hang out with them. They introduce me to one of there friends, who made the whole trip worth while.Hi Guy, your postbox is full so delete your old mails. And tell us, where did you get lucky and contact locals who introduced you to normal girls? Pm me, RB
I often forget about how clueless guys on here can be.
Yes, there are nightclubs in Kiev, a whole bunch. In these nightclubs are these creatures called girls (hopefully).
If you speak only English and approach these 'girls' in a Kiev nightclub 70% of the time they will say one of two things (without being prompted) 'I am not a prostitute' or '$500 (or whatever number) '. Ah, the joys of Kiev.
If you want a list of nightclubs in Kiev try using this magical thing called 'the internet'. Go to google. Com and type 'nightclubs Kiev' or 'nightclubs kyiv' and hit return. Maps, addresses, videos, reviews. Wow!
I never said I fucked 1200 girls, simply that I have 1200 Ukrainian girls contact information in my Ukrainian mobile phone. If I had to guess I'd say I probably tapped about 20% of them.
"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.
http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/
Welcome my friend.
My other friend on this thread Liljoey didn't think I should have posted it in full and twice as well. I agree, but there was an error and on half a bottle of wine by then as usual.
CheersJojo, please don't take any offense. The sign of a true humorist is that one can also laugh at oneself. I was merely trading jokes with you. You know, like the "Your Momma" lines that our African American brothers love to trade. Somehow I know you must have laughed just a little. I certainly don't feel there was any issue with posting the whole article. It was obviously something of interest to some people here. And let's face it, who am I to talk about long posts. Talk about the "pot calling the kettle black". Some of my posts are as long if not longer. And I think I know why you need to post things twice sometimes. Could it be that "Big Brother" has denied you the ability to edit your posts, leaving you with only the option of correcting a post and re-posting it? Anyway, it wasn't even the 2nd posting of the same article which tickled my funny bone. What did it for me was Sponsor 74's quoting the entire article again yet a third time, instead of editing it down to a mere reference, in thanking you for posting the info, which inspired my jest. So post away to your heart's content, Jojo, and know, in all seriousness, that it was merely the laugh I was going for.
LJ
I have no idea how I would meet girls without the nightclubs. Most of the beauty in Kiev lies with the girls that live in the outer rings. Without venues to concentrate all this pussy, it would be difficult for foreigners to access what's here. Many of these glamour models and just pretty girls do not possess the social fabric to gain good employment in the city. Most just want to eventually find a guy that will take care of them so they can have there one kid. Many Ukranian men are poor prospects because they neither have access to good employment. If a Ukranian guy, has the right education and can work among corporate culture, he will choose a wife that is socially equal to himself. Rare that he will care to have some trophy wife just for the sake of beauty. So it is your job to come to Kiev and rise above the tourist crowd so that you can access one of these poor socially trapped hotties.
Guys that down nightclubs, simply don't have the stamina and persistence of just going. I will be the first to tell you that I have no real game or pickup skills. What I do have is the ability to get my ass out in the field and take whatever rejection some dev wants to through at me over and over again.
I have no idea how I would meet girls without the nightclubs. Most of the beauty in Kiev lies with the girls that live in the outer rings. Without venues to concentrate all this pussy, it would be difficult for foreigners to access what's here. Many of these glamour models and just pretty girls do not possess the social fabric to gain good employment in the city. Most just want to eventually find a guy that will take care of them so they can have there one kid. Many Ukranian men are poor prospects because they neither have access to good employment. If a Ukranian guy, has the right education and can work among corporate culture, he will choose a wife that is socially equal to himself. Rare that he will care to have some trophy wife just for the sake of beauty. So it is your job to come to Kiev and rise above the tourist crowd so that you can access one of these poor socially trapped hotties.Totally agree. If you go to a late night, face-controlled, high end and expensive bar or club anywhere in EE and FSU, you will find very good looking women all dressed up with wild partying on their minds, and looking for similarly well-appointed, heavy drinking and generous men with the right "look" and "game" to provide the drinks and company to get the job done. If you can fit in and keep up, it's sex guaranteed.
James Bond 007
09-03-12, 12:41
So I took this old avice from Me and you and went to the BEST one (see below) :
City center, OK to find, girls speak english, the place is huge, it is clean. Yes. 1000 is a lot of cash. 850 for the second hour is not really cheap either.
YOu can chose the girl in the apartment and then take her back to your place "free of extra charge". Took a red haired, nice girl which had taken the lead while doing the line up. She explained sweetly who is there and asked what I wanted.
Went to the room, explained what I wanted. Funny, you then have to walk to the shower past all the other girls grinning at you. And then back again. Same after the deed, but they do not give you number cards as they do at the Olympics, though! .
Excellent nice hard massage, great long super blowjob. Super nice service!
If you want hassle-free, easy action with GREATLOOKING, super nice, tall girls, rating 8-10, go there and nowhere.
Me&you, thank you. The rest of you. Enjoy. (number is below) - BEST one 0674438285: on Kripynysto'koho str 4. Parralel to bessarabska: 1000 griv or 125 $ for hour but you can find top girls (7-8-9) like Gennia (tall blonde with Crystal blue eyes and nice tits and ass) or Ivanna (brunnette with blue eyes) or Vlada or Anfisa. 1000 is good deal as you don't have to pay taxi for girl. They will bring the girl to you and take her back with their own taxis in case you want her in your appartment (I prefer this option) or you can stay with the girl at the place as they have rooms. And no extras expenses drinks and so.
Anyone know the new phone number for this place or the apartment number they operate out of at the address?
DoctorOral
09-03-12, 13:32
I just called and the number works! As ever.
- BEST one 0674438285: on Kripynysto'koho str 4. Parralel to bessarabska: 1000 griv or 125 $ for hour but you can find top girls (7-8-9) like Gennia (tall blonde with Crystal blue eyes and nice tits and ass) or Ivanna (brunnette with blue eyes) or Vlada or Anfisa. 1000 is good deal as you don't have to pay taxi for girl. They will bring the girl to you and take her back with their own taxis in case you want her in your appartment (I prefer this option) or you can stay with the girl at the place as they have rooms. And no extras expenses drinks and so.
Anyone know the new phone number for this place or the apartment number they operate out of at the address?
- BEST one 0674438285: on Kripynysto'koho str 4. Parralel to bessarabska: 1000 griv or 125 $ for hour but you can find top girls (7-8-9) like Gennia (tall blonde with Crystal blue eyes and nice tits and ass) or Ivanna (brunnette with blue eyes) or Vlada or Anfisa. 1000 is good deal as you don't have to pay taxi for girl. They will bring the girl to you and take her back with their own taxis in case you want her in your appartment (I prefer this option) or you can stay with the girl at the place as they have rooms. And no extras expenses drinks and so.
Anyone know the new phone number for this place or the apartment number they operate out of at the address?If you are alone in Kiev, without any acquaintences, I would not follow any leads to apartment salons. Rare that I would ever let myself fall into a position of complete weakness.
If you speak only English and approach these 'girls' in a Kiev nightclub 70% of the time they will say one of two things (without being prompted) 'I am not a prostitute' or '$500 (or whatever number) '. Ah, the joys of Kiev.Actually, what they do is just look away to not make eye contact. This is where you have to know the most basic of Russian words like dance with me, drink with me, anything communicated in Russian to make them believe you have some connection to Kiev beyond tourism. It's pretty cool when a girl that initially would not look into eyes does a complete 180 in body language.
Actually, what they do is just look away to not make eye contact. This is where you have to know the most basic of Russian words like dance with me, drink with me, anything communicated in Russian to make them believe you have some connection to Kiev beyond tourism. It's pretty cool when a girl that initially would not look into eyes does a complete 180 in body language.This is counting without the drunk sluts, which is a commodity in FSU. Talking is totally useless sometimes, I've scored more than a few inebriated dyevs without exchanging one single word.
James Bond 007
09-03-12, 15:06
There has been several reports here of the club, but here is another report. The current hours are 8pm-5am. It is located behind the Opera House and there are a couple of metro spots within a few blocks. The entrance fee is 100 UAH and drinks are about 60-100 and up UAH. You run a tab of your entrance fee and the drinks. There are 4 dance stages and it doesn't seem like the girls rotate between the stages. 3 of the stages are upstairs and 1 downstairs. There is a dance section upstairs labelled "VIP" which I am not sure what makes it special, but it appeared "full" most of the time as there are "hall monitors" monitoring the number of men in each section. You run a drink tab separately at each location. When you see a girl you are I interested in speaking to, you can let the waitress or the men "hall monitors" know and they will notify the girl. The girl when she is done with her song or two will come and sit with you and talk, drink, etc. There is a separate area for private dancing and it is 200 UAH for 2 songs. Most girls will privately dance for you, but not all of them are available for take out. I don't know girls not "being available for take out" has to do more with the chemistry between the dancer and the client or if that is her personal decision. The take out rate is still $300 USD for 3 hours, but you can certainly pay in UAH currency. The girl I spoke with asked for the money upfront before leaving the club, but I don't know if that is typical or not. As noted before, taxis in front of the club are a total rip-off the non-locals as they will ask for fares 5x the regular rate. If you have a phone number of a taxi driver who will charge you a fair price, certainly better to call him.
This is counting without the drunk sluts, which is a commodity in FSU. Talking is totally useless sometimes, I've scored more than a few inebriated dyevs without exchanging one single word.I know what you mean but in the more glamorous places, drunk sluts are harder to find.
I know what you mean but in the more glamorous places, drunk sluts are harder to find.Totally agree. That is why I prefer DJ cocktail bars (something that a priori LACKS in Kiev, but I'm not a specialist, someone can correct me if I'm wrong) to glam clubs.
Strong cocktails + wild atmosphere = drunk sluts = sex.
El Cubanito
09-03-12, 16:51
There has been several reports here of the club, but here is another report. The current hours are 8pm-5am. It is located behind the Opera House and there are a couple of metro spots within a few blocks. The entrance fee is 100 UAH and drinks are about 60-100 and up UAH. You run a tab of your entrance fee and the drinks. There are 4 dance stages and it doesn't seem like the girls rotate between the stages. 3 of the stages are upstairs and 1 downstairs. There is a dance section upstairs labelled "VIP" which I am not sure what makes it special, but it appeared "full" most of the time as there are "hall monitors" monitoring the number of men in each section. You run a drink tab separately at each location. When you see a girl you are I interested in speaking to, you can let the waitress or the men "hall monitors" know and they will notify the girl. The girl when she is done with her song or two will come and sit with you and talk, drink, etc. There is a separate area for private dancing and it is 200 UAH for 2 songs. Most girls will privately dance for you, but not all of them are available for take out. I don't know girls not "being available for take out" has to do more with the chemistry between the dancer and the client or if that is her personal decision. The take out rate is still $300 USD for 3 hours, but you can certainly pay in UAH currency. The girl I spoke with asked for the money upfront before leaving the club, but I don't know if that is typical or not. As noted before, taxis in front of the club are a total rip-off the non-locals as they will ask for fares 5x the regular rate. If you have a phone number of a taxi driver who will charge you a fair price, certainly better to call him.I took one girl for 3 hours and yes cab outside are a rip off, but if you hail one down and negociate they will give you honest rate.
El Cubanito
09-03-12, 16:54
I often forget about how clueless guys on here can be.
Yes, there are nightclubs in Kiev, a whole bunch. In these nightclubs are these creatures called girls (hopefully).
If you speak only English and approach these 'girls' in a Kiev nightclub 70% of the time they will say one of two things (without being prompted) 'I am not a prostitute' or '$500 (or whatever number) '. Ah, the joys of Kiev.
If you want a list of nightclubs in Kiev try using this magical thing called 'the internet'. Go to google. Com and type 'nightclubs Kiev' or 'nightclubs kyiv' and hit return. Maps, addresses, videos, reviews. Wow!
I never said I fucked 1200 girls, simply that I have 1200 Ukrainian girls contact information in my Ukrainian mobile phone. If I had to guess I'd say I probably tapped about 20% of them.Hey Cruiser Ia m planning my next Ukraine trip. When are you planning of going and would you like to hang out. I just want to see your game in action.
I was doing a little research for an upcoming trip to Kiev and stumbled across this site. I really wish I had found this site a few years back. I admit I prefer to just find a local girl for the night, but the hassle, time, and money (with no guarantee) has led me into that direction on many travels. I'm surprised to hear about men having a hard time picking up women in Kiev. All you need is to be aggressive when the time is needed. I realize my situation is a little different than some others on here, but as my story will show, attitude plays a large role. A little background on myself, I'm 30 and born and raised in Los Angeles. I guess that was my first lucky break. As any of you that have been to Southern California can attest, SoCal is the land of beautiful women. Only a few other places I have visited can rival this city when it comes to women. I say I'm lucky there in that I am comfortable talking to beautiful women now just from the mere exposure of living where I live. Enough of that, on to the story.
My first experience with Ukrainian girls came during a business trip to Washington DC of all places. Apparently, there are requirements for all pools in that area to have lifeguards. The hotel I was staying at had a very attractive female lifeguard the first night I arrived. Unfortunately, the pool was closing so I did not get to start talking to her that night. The next day, there was a male lifeguard so I did not pay much attention at first. When I heard him speaking Ukrainian on his cell phone. I asked if he was Russian (didn't even know they feel there is a difference between Russian and Ukrainian languages). He told me he was Ukrainian and on a work exchange program for his university. All of the lifeguards were on the same program. I told him I was watching Ukraine's Euro Cup match on my Ipad and offered to let him watch it as well.
This brings me to an important lesson in the story. When looking for foreign women, don't just focus on the women making friends with local men is a great way to make them think you're just a fun person and not a total horn dog. Plus it helps to have a translator with your interests in mind. .
It paid off quickly since the girl from the night before came by to visit him and he did an amazing job of talking me up and we just spent the night talking. I quickly learned that unless they are drunk, Ukrainian women love to play indifferent and dislike the direct approach. This all goes out the window when they are drunk though. After another day or two of hanging out with these two, they told me there was going to be a party with all the lifeguards and I was invited. Little did I know, this was just a rabbit hole into one of the crazier weeks of my life. All of the lifeguards lived in one apartment complex and man did these kids like to drink. I was quickly introduced around the party, but since I don't speak ukrainian and most of them only spoke minimal English, I just became known as the guy from LA. Now proof that its not just about looks with these ladies, I took another guy I had met with me. He was a pretty outgoing guy originally from pakistan. I didn't realize that most EE girls don't like guys from pakistan and india but his personality helped him land a few girls as well.
At the party, I began talking to anyone that was near by. All of the girls claimed to have boyfriends, but as the night went on and the bottles turned up empty, they quickly forgot about their boyfriends. I spent the night talking to the amazing lifeguard from my pool and ended up spending the night with her. Learned another lesson about these girls as well, they care way too much about their image. Even the girls that went into the bathroom for a quickie with a guy would claim that nothing happened. If you encounter this, just play along with it and chalk it up to cultural differences. Now, being an American from a place like LA does have its benefits as far as picking up the girls, but they were very quick to latch on at any sign that it was more than just a one-time thing. Feel free to talk them up a little, but just be careful as they are a jealous lot. One of the girls that I let her know was only a one-time thing but I enjoyed being friends with her paid off when I took her to a nightclub in DC and she helped me score an unbelievable Russian girl.
All in all, in one week I fucked 4 girls and got BBBJ from 2 more. Ukrainian women are not that inaccessible. As a recap. Dress to impress, be outgoing, show interest in their culture, and make friends with local guys as well. Now I'm headed to Ukraine shortly and have been offered a place to stay by 6 different people at Kiev University. If no luck there, then try one of the pay for it places.
I just called and the number works! As ever.Yes maybe a good option in my next trip. Please more details of this street or Metro, house?. And if you have other apartments addresses to recomend are welcome because I like young blonds and nice if I can select different options in apartment with several girls, maybe 6 or more to choose my favorite
Any other hobbiests here who want to go scout for talent together. Need a wingman.
I hunt there every 60 days, almost on the cock, sorry: clock. Next is sept 23, then Nov 24[Email address deleted by Admin]
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My first experience with Ukrainian girls came during a business trip to Washington DC of all places. .DC, might not sound Sexy, but of All Places in the US its one of the easiest to get laid there big time and its all for free. .
Cheaper than NY in clubs, bars, restaurants.
Yeah, great for Lap Dance clubs as well. Of course no take out.
Way back in 2010 I told Liljoey here on this thread about the great Sex to be had In DC hitting the Clubs and bars. .
And I am serious here, find an AC / DC girl in Washington DC and you tap an unlimited supply of girls.
More females on the pull than available men.
Any other hobbiests here who want to go scout for talent together. Need a wingman.I'm game. How about tonight?
DoctorOral
09-04-12, 17:26
Yes, I am in! Where / when / what?
I'm game. How about tonight?
Yes, I am in! Where / when / what?Sent you a pm. No definitive plans but open to pretty much anything.
Yes, I am in! Where / when / what?There is a special thread here called Travel Announcements (Ukraine). Can't you guys keep these remark there? Then we others can concentrate on real issues here
"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.
http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/Have been but wouldn't recommend it to be honest. I found the vibe a bit sinister. Felt all the tables were occupied by mini mafia wannabes with their dolls. Ground floor is a bar with some dancing, upstairs a stage where musicians sang cover songs.
Not much to it, even on a Saturday night. Of course, as always, you can do well here if the right crowd is in. The downstairs bar is ok to hang out at and you never know what can happen.
For those who don't do clubbing, there are lots of choices in the centre.
Dockers in passage / Kreschatyk is well worth a visit. They have live music, ok food and no Princesses, just normal girls.
Art 44 on Kreschatyk 44 can be good too. Live music. Edible food and again, regular girls.
Volias on Boulevard Shevchenko 1 (beside Lenins statue) is not bad but the bar area is tiny. Best to take a table next to some girls and wait and see.
Have been but wouldn't recommend it to be honest. I found the vibe a bit sinister. Felt all the tables were occupied by mini mafia wannabes with their dolls. Ground floor is a bar with some dancing, upstairs a stage where musicians sang cover songs.You are surely right. Honestly, when I was there, I was beyond the right amount of drunkeness, and as it was my first night in Kiev everything seemed great and fun.
The bars you mention are DJ cocktails bars, or just pubs with music? . My feeling is that what lacks in Kiev are unbridled venues as Coyote Ugly in Moscow or xxxx bars in Piter. It doesn't seem that there is a lot of cool artsy / underground spots also, but I could be wrong.
Have been but wouldn't recommend it to be honest. I found the vibe a bit sinister. Felt all the tables were occupied by mini mafia wannabes with their dolls. Ground floor is a bar with some dancing, upstairs a stage where musicians sang cover songs.
Not much to it, even on a Saturday night. Of course, as always, you can do well here if the right crowd is in. The downstairs bar is ok to hang out at and you never know what can happen.IL, could you please share which Kiev club is best for pickups. Not working girls.
IL, could you please share which Kiev club is best for pickups. Not working girls.Shooters without a doubt. Girls are not allowed to work there 100%. They do of course to some degree but it's a place where every one has a sporting chance of getting a result. After that, Avalon should be ok but 10-20% used to be the WG ratio. Caribbean has a 30% ratio I would guess.
The London Evening Standard is Promoting one of its journalists as Lap dancing Correspondent to tour and report on Strip clubs all over the World.
And contrary to what some on this thread might think, re his Name? LOL. He is Simon English. And not Liljoey.
Read his article on Asset Strippers dated 5 Sept. On here.
http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/asset-strippers-are-lap-dances-the-way-to-do-business-8105444.html
Hope he he does Rio soon and report what he thinks of it compared to the ones he had been to. .
For me it is what it is " Not a Heaven For Sex Tourists, nor a Tourist Trap " as Duenstrieb put it.
But alas it can be a Tourist trap when a monger thinks all the Hot Ones are available for take out and spends $$$ trying to Which Is Which.
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For me it is what it is " Not a Heaven For Sex Tourists, nor a Tourist Trap " as Duenstrieb put it.
But alas it can be a Tourist trap when a monger thinks all the Hot Ones are available for take out and spends $$$ trying to find out Which Is Which.
For me I have never taken a Dancer from there and never will at US$ 300, Rio or No Rio in Kiev or anywhere in the world.
When I am in Kiev I just happen to drift there along with other places which are within walking distance from where I am staying.
I have a drink watch the dancers and on occasion took lap dances.
Re above on take out. More than credible member did report here that not all girls are available for take out. I concor with that.
At one time I tried just in the interest of research to find out during a Lap dance.
The girl said maybe at 5 am? .
There you have it, and this was around midnight. So was I expected to hang around till 5 am to find out whether its yes or No.
I had to post again on Rio what I have always said right from the start.
And this is also in reply to a PM I receieved from a newbie heading to Kiev, re his questions. On Rio girls.
Hope this clarifies it.
That said newbies shouldn't be intimedated from asking questions on the open forum on Rio or any other venues. .
Gagging orders if appropriate are in the hands of Big Brother on ISG.
For me it is what it is " Not a Heaven For Sex Tourists, nor a Tourist Trap " as Duenstrieb put it.
But alas it can be a Tourist trap when a monger thinks all the Hot Ones are available for take out and spends $$$ trying to find out Which Is Which.
For me I have never taken a Dancer from there and never will at US$ 300, Rio or No Rio in Kiev or anywhere in the world.
When I am in Kiev I just happen to drift there along with other places which are within walking distance from where I am staying.
I have a drink watch the dancers and on occasion took lap dances.
Re above on take out. More than credible member did report here that not all girls are available for take out. I concor with that.
At one time I tried just in the interest of research to find out during a Lap dance.
The girl said maybe at 5 am? .
There you have it, and this was around midnight. So was I expected to hang around till 5 am to find out whether its yes or No.
I had to post again on Rio what I have always said right from the start.
And this is also in reply to a PM I receieved from a newbie heading to Kiev, re his questions. On Rio girls.
Hope this clarifies it.
That said newbies shouldn't be intimidated from asking questions on the open forum on Rio or any other venues. .
Gagging orders if appropriate are in the hands of Big Brother on ISG.
Ooops hope I didn't post again?
Computer problems. Sorry.
Hi guys.
Is it just me or the search engine in mamba. Ru does not work anymore?
I got a free account and the age range search does not apply.Could someone please explain why I can no longer search age on Mamba. Sorry, just a mamba newbie.
For me it is what it is " Not a Heaven For Sex Tourists, nor a Tourist Trap " as Duenstrieb put it.Perfectly said, the show is definitely worth the price of admission and drinks.
For me it is what it is " Not a Heaven For Sex Tourists, nor a Tourist Trap " as Duenstrieb put it.
But alas it can be a Tourist trap when a monger thinks all the Hot Ones are available for take out and spends $$$ trying to find out Which Is Which.A better way of "finding out which is which" would be to simply open up your mouth and ask whether a girl is dancer only or goes out. This question can be addressed to the manager in each lounge, or even directly to the girl. It is not necessary to wait until you spend $$$ on the girl and take her to private dances before you ask her questions like whether she speaks English or whether she is dancer only or sometimes goes out with customers. I prefer to ask such questions of the manager. If I would ask the girl, it requires being careful with words to make sure she doesn't misunderstand the question and think I am asking her out at that moment, and that she realizes that I am only inquiring generally what her story is, and that I will continue to consider the matter, and maybe will ask her out later. Also, because it is up to each girl whether she wants to go out with a customer, I feel it is necessary to develop a rapport and good relationship and good feeling and chemistry with the girl, such that she is interested in the take out date with me, before asking such questions of her, lest she simply answer in a way that is uninspiring. All said, it seems best to ask a manager about the girl you are interested in. If she has been there a while, he will usually know about her habits with customers.
By the way, this info is in my prior posts detailing how to best operate within Rio. So the monger spending $$$ to find out which girls are available for take out and which are dancer only, rendering himself a victim of a "tourist trap", is guilty of not properly reading the thread and properly preparing for mongering in Kiev. I have said many times that properly reading the thread will give you many pieces of information and tips that will save you time and money as you try to monger in Kiev. This would be a good example.
Re above on take out. More than credible member did report here that not all girls are available for take out. I concor with that.
At one time I tried just in the interest of research to find out during a Lap dance.
The girl said maybe at 5 am? .
There you have it, and this was around midnight. So was I expected to hang around till 5 am to find out whether its yes or No.
I had to post again on Rio what I have always said right from the start.
And this is also in reply to a PM I receieved from a newbie heading to Kiev, re his questions. On Rio girls.
Hope this clarifies it.Jojo, in all my own experiences at this club, the 5:00 AM club closing time was the time by which most girls wanted to be finished with the take out date and back at the club, presumably to collect their portion of the money you paid, which was left at the club, and also because they wanted to get to sleep so they could deal with whatever they had going the next day whether it be university classes, or just another all nighter at work at the club. So I suspect the girl was telling you at about midnight that she could only go out with you until 5:00 AM, when she would have to return to the club. I think you simply misunderstood her. She wasn't saying wait until 5:00 AM to begin the date. She was saying you could have a date until 5:00 AM. Many girls have said this to me. It is an exceptional success if you get one of these girls to stay with you later than 5:00 AM, which can occur only if they really like you and don't feel pressured about the next day's responsibilities. I'm not sure what you were clarifying via PM as you didn't elaborate, but I think you had a misunderstanding in the one instance you described.
Happy mongering.
LJ
I am no internet specialist, but now and then I have noticed some hickups in the Mamba Forum. My guess is that the service provider is updating the database. During this the forum may be 'down' for a while. Mamba-forum has been changed a bit recently, and now we can no longer search 'sex-for-money'. Secondly, reliable services like banks sometimes experience hackers, who try to invade, steal or destroy data. This will also result in some hickup for the registered user, sometimes for a day or more. So the internet is not always stable. Thirdly, if someone makes a complaint of you for something you have written and find it insulting, you will have trouble, sometimes your profile may be shut down without notice. Lately, when I was logging in, I was asked about my birthdate, so I guess there was some suspicion about my identity. Luckily I remembere my registered birthday! My advice: keep a record of friend, like a copy or s. L. T, and make sure you can contact them outside the forum.
Could someone please explain why I can no longer search age on Mamba. Sorry, just a mamba newbie.
A better way of "finding out which is which" would be to simply open up your mouth and ask whether a girl is dancer only or goes out. This question can be addressed to the manager in each lounge, or even directly to the girl. It is not necessary to wait until you spend $$$ on the girl and take her to private dances before you ask her questions like whether she speaks English or whether she is dancer only or sometimes goes out with customers. I prefer to ask such questions of the manager. If I would ask the girl, it requires being careful with words to make sure she doesn't misunderstand the question and think I am asking her out at that moment, and that she realizes that I am only inquiring generally what her story is, and that I will continue to consider the matter, and maybe will ask her out later. Also, because it is up to each girl whether she wants to go out with a customer, I feel it is necessary to develop a rapport and good relationship and good feeling and chemistry with the girl, such that she is interested in the take out date with me, before asking such questions of her, lest she simply answer in a way that is uninspiring. All said, it seems best to ask a manager about the girl you are interested in. If she has been there a while, he will usually know about her habits with customers.
By the way, this info is in my prior posts detailing how to best operate within Rio. So the monger spending $$$ to find out which girls are available for take out and which are dancer only, rendering himself a victim of a "tourist trap", is guilty of not properly reading the thread and properly preparing for mongering in Kiev. I have said many times that properly reading the thread will give you many pieces of information and tips that will save you time and money as you try to monger in Kiev. This would be a good example.
Jojo, in all my own experiences at this club, the 5:00 AM club closing time was the time by which most girls wanted to be finished with the take out date and back at the club, presumably to collect their portion of the money you paid, which was left at the club, and also because they wanted to get to sleep so they could deal with whatever they had going the next day whether it be university classes, or just another all nighter at work at the club. So I suspect the girl was telling you at about midnight that she could only go out with you until 5:00 AM, when she would have to return to the club. I think you simply misunderstood her. She wasn't saying wait until 5:00 AM to begin the date. She was saying you could have a date until 5:00 AM. Many girls have said this to me. It is an exceptional success if you get one of these girls to stay with you later than 5:00 AM, which can occur only if they really like you and don't feel pressured about the next day's responsibilities. I'm not sure what you were clarifying via PM as you didn't elaborate, but I think you had a misunderstanding in the one instance you described.
Happy mongering.
LJVery Briefly.
! The girl in question spoke very good English. Sat next to me and then I took her for a Private Dance.
2 Asked her if she will come out with me? She replied in very good English and very clearly, Maybe at 5 am. She could have meant after work or something. BTW I didn't have any intention of taking her out, I was just testing the waters.
3 More than one credible member reported here that not all the Hot ones do go out.
4. Who goes out, how to find out, how to play the game in Rio, building of Chemistry, etc, is All Very Academic to me after all this time.
Simply not interested at US$ 300 plus other costs.
Sorry for Repeating myself yet again.
Happy Mongering at whatever Turns you On.
Very Briefly.
! The girl in question spoke very good English. Sat next to me and then I took her for a Private Dance.
2 Asked her if she will come out with me? She replied in very good English and very clearly, Maybe at 5 am. She could have meant after work or something. BTW I didn't have any intention of taking her out, I was just testing the waters.
3 More than one credible member reported here that not all the Hot ones do go out.
4. Who goes out, how to find out, how to play the game in Rio, building of Chemistry, etc, is All Very Academic to me after all this time.
Simply not interested at US$ 300 plus other costs.
Sorry for Repeating myself yet again.
Happy Mongering at whatever Turns you On.There is no "right" way in doing things. All is about your looks, wallet, work etc. Most important PERSONALITY and what you prefer. I would suggest people don't listen to all these Rio cowboys have to say.
The ones that smile and flirt with you both while sitting beside you and dancing is most often a bad hand to play. Now I must say I never take a go go girl home since its most often bad sex. Last weekend I was on work trip and was sitting with my co worker at the stip club (not Rio). After turning away best looking girls for lady drinks and private dances I spotted a girl that did not even look my way. She did not flirt with clients while dancing and in general it dose seem she hated to be on stage. After her third dance on stage I was trying to talk with her while she was passing my table, telling her she was a great dancer. Guess what. She ignored me!
In the end my friends girl ask her to come and join me. I will make this story short. Yes I bought her around 10 lady drinks, I did not ask her for private dances and did not touch her. And finally last 3 drinks while I was holding around her she whispered in my ear that unfortunately she can not kiss me in club even she feels lonely sometimes (yes yes she was a bit drunk). Was out of the club 05:30 and took taxi right to the place she told me we will meet. We took few drinks more, kissing talking etc. Had to go to work, in the evening she had dinner with me followed great experience in my hotel rom free of charge.
Adapting to situation is a key to success.
There is no "right" way in doing things. All is about your looks, wallet, work etc. Most important PERSONALITY and what you prefer. I would suggest people don't listen to all these Rio cowboys have to say.
Adapting to situation is a key to success..
Not only that.
If you read the investigative article on a London Club Strippers on the link below, you wiil see that some strippers are Married, others are with boyfriends, and others are Simply Dykes. These categories are merely Prick Teasers getting paid for it.
This is true in most Strip Clubs all over the world.
That said, there are unattached Strippers who would go out with a monger, or even date him, including students moonlighting during holidays and weekends.
http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/asset-strippers-are-lap-dances-the-way-to-do-business-8105444.html
The article also shows that this club (Sophisticats) does have an official PR woman.
Might be an Idea for RIO club to Start a thread in the Kiev section, where the named PR person will answer all relevant questions together with a Gallery of photos of girls even blurred, Rota of girls working during the week, languages spoken. This would answer a lot of questions here about the present Line Up etc, and cuts a lot of corners.
Other questions should be left until such time when the monger meets girl or the manager at the club, re who would come out, or who wouldn't?
This is entirely left at the discretion of the girl. Manager at the club, re who would come out, or who wouldn't?
This is entirely left at the discretion of the girl.
I would rather hear it first hand Straight From The Horses Mouth.
There is no "right" way in doing things. All is about your looks, wallet, work etc. Most important PERSONALITY and what you prefer. I would suggest people don't listen to all these Rio cowboys have to say.
Adapting to situation is a key to success..
Not only that.
If you read the investigative article on a London Club Strippers on the link below, you wiil see that some strippers are Married, others are with boyfriends, and others are Simply Dykes. These categories are merely Prick Teasers getting paid for it.
This is true in most Strip Clubs all over the world.
That said, there are unattached Strippers who would go out with a monger, or even date him, including students moonlighting during holidays and weekends.
http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/asset-strippers-are-lap-dances-the-way-to-do-business-8105444.html
The article also shows that this club (Sophisticats) does have an official PR woman.
Might be an Idea for RIO club to Start a thread in the Kiev section, where the named PR person will answer all relevant questions together with a Gallery of photos of girls even blurred, Rota of girls working during the week, languages spoken. This would answer a lot of questions here about the present Line Up etc, and cuts a lot of corners.
Other questions should be left until such time when the monger meets girl or the manager at the club, re who would come out, or who wouldn't?
This is entirely left at the discretion of the girl.
I would rather hear it first hand Straight From The Horses Mouth.
There is no "right" way in doing things. All is about your looks, wallet, work etc. Most important PERSONALITY and what you prefer. I would suggest people don't listen to all these Rio cowboys have to say.
The ones that smile and flirt with you both while sitting beside you and dancing is most often a bad hand to play. Now I must say I never take a go go girl home since its most often bad sex. Last weekend I was on work trip and was sitting with my co worker at the stip club (not Rio). After turning away best looking girls for lady drinks and private dances I spotted a girl that did not even look my way. She did not flirt with clients while dancing and in general it dose seem she hated to be on stage. After her third dance on stage I was trying to talk with her while she was passing my table, telling her she was a great dancer. Guess what. She ignored me!
In the end my friends girl ask her to come and join me. I will make this story short. Yes I bought her around 10 lady drinks, I did not ask her for private dances and did not touch her. And finally last 3 drinks while I was holding around her she whispered in my ear that unfortunately she can not kiss me in club even she feels lonely sometimes (yes yes she was a bit drunk). Was out of the club 05:30 and took taxi right to the place she told me we will meet. We took few drinks more, kissing talking etc. Had to go to work, in the evening she had dinner with me followed great experience in my hotel rom free of charge.
Adapting to situation is a key to success.+1. I've said it many times here. Many opportunities with strippers in FSU, as long as you treat them nicely and respectfully, and if you show some empathy, self-restraint and personal attention. Those girls deal night after night with boorish sex-weaned guys, and are usually happy to find someone who don't treat them like pieces of meat.
Member #4491
09-09-12, 13:53
+1. I've said it many times here. Many opportunities with strippers in FSU, as long as you treat them nicely and respectfully, and if you show some empathy, self-restraint and personal attention. Those girls deal night after night with boorish sex-weaned guys, and are usually happy to find someone who don't treat them like pieces of meat.Yes, women always likes men to qualify somehow. Words, time, money, security, etc.
I was just dumped by my UA student. Huhuhuhu. All in tears here. I did not qualify enough. Going to Asia fucking other teens and not paying her enough attention. Bad Barba. Having babies with other women always makes things complicated as well. Sort of dents the trust somewhat but I refuse to lie about such important matters. Huhuhu. Some more sobbing.
FREEDOM! Hurray! I would not mind to fuck her a few more times and take her anal cherry, but admit I was getting slightly bored with her after all these minutes we spent together.
A little survey:
How many of you pervs fucked Nika?
http://flirt.com.ua/mb769952927/?afolder=dating
And how many did her in number two, I. E. The chocolate X?
I do not think I am sharing any secrets when I say that her pictures are 60% of reality as so often, but beats wanking off if your alone in Kiev some day.
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DoctorOral
09-10-12, 09:18
Funny enough, Barba. I am the only loser who did not have neither her pink and brown one. She insists she only does massage!
I did have a hard time convincing her that deepthroat is part of a good massage. But she did not accept any other body opening to be on the menue.
Funny, funny. What did I do wrong? .
Yes, women always likes men to qualify somehow. Words, time, money, security, etc.
I was just dumped by my UA student. Huhuhuhu. All in tears here. I did not qualify enough. Going to Asia fucking other teens and not paying her enough attention. Bad Barba. Having babies with other women always makes things complicated as well. Sort of dents the trust somewhat but I refuse to lie about such important matters. Huhuhu. Some more sobbing.
FREEDOM! Hurray! I would not mind to fuck her a few more times and take her anal cherry, but admit I was getting slightly bored with her after all these minutes we spent together.
A little survey:
How many of you pervs fucked Nika?
http://flirt.com.ua/mb769952927/?afolder=dating
And how many did her in number two, I. E. The chocolate X?
I do not think I am sharing any secrets when I say that her pictures are 60% of reality as so often, but beats wanking off if your alone in Kiev some day.
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WasRBrenton
09-11-12, 22:42
Not a report, sorry, but I've forgotten my original username, as it has been awhile. Cruiser D knows who I am. Rented Leo's apartment if you recall. Sorry for the retarded post, but I'd like to log into my old profile, but I can't recall my username (rbrenton88 perhaps) in order to reset the password. My email has changed since I last logged in.
Thanks for your patience guys. Cruiser, where are you?
Member #4491
09-11-12, 23:52
Funny enough, Barba. I am the only loser who did not have neither her pink and brown one. She insists she only does massage!
I did have a hard time convincing her that deepthroat is part of a good massage. But she did not accept any other body opening to be on the menue.
Funny, funny. What did I do wrong? .Hmmm. That is odd. Massage was never discussed when I met her. We had some wine, fucked, had some more wine, fucked some more. Easy going girl.
B.
Funny enough, Barba. I am the only loser who did not have neither her pink and brown one. She insists she only does massage!
I did have a hard time convincing her that deepthroat is part of a good massage. But she did not accept any other body opening to be on the menue.
Funny, funny. What did I do wrong? .Nika? ? ? ?
Did you post the right link? Why are you guys salivating over this girl, Nika? I've Looked at her profile photos and she appears to be a chubby, plain looking girl? If this is the girl, then I disagree that she "beats wanking off if you're alone in Kiev some day."
If it came down to just this girl, I say go ahead and wank off!
Here's a tip. Instead of thinking about fat, chubby, plain, Nika, while you're wanking off, try this link (www.4tube.com) which has helped my wanking sessions go rather brilliantly. There are clips that go for a very long time, even half an hour. So should be enough for the most avid wanking enthusiast.
Or if it's a massage girl worthy of salivating over you need, go see Ira, Sasha or Vika at Rakuena Massage (see photos on their website) (www.rakuena.com.ua) or perhaps Inessa at Salon Dolly Massage (see photo on their website) (www.salondolly.com ). These massage salons have both been written about on the thread and were given high marks by those that reported. The photos of some of the girls look pretty hot with gorgeous, sexy bodies. Now that's a nice thought to have such hotties sliding their bodies all over yours, isn't it? Do you really prefer a chubby girl like, Nika?
LJ
Nika? ? ? ?
Did you post the right link? Why are you guys salivating over this girl, Nika? I've Looked at her profile photos and she appears to be a chubby, plain looking girl? If this is the girl, then I disagree that she "beats wanking off if you're alone in Kiev some day."
If it came down to just this girl, I say go ahead and wank off!
Here's a tip. Instead of thinking about fat, chubby, plain, Nika, while you're wanking off, try this link (
www.4tube.com
) which has helped my wanking sessions go rather brilliantly. There are clips that go for a very long time, even half an hour. So should be enough for the most avid wanking enthusiast.
Or if it's a massage girl worthy of salivating over you need, go see Ira, Sasha or Vika at Rakuena Massage (see photos on their website)
www.rakuena.com.ua
or perhaps Inessa at Salon Dolly Massage (see photo on their website)
www.salondolly.com
These massage salons have both been written about on the thread and were given high marks by those that reported. The photos of some of the girls look pretty hot with gorgeous, sexy bodies. Now that's a nice thought to have such hotties sliding their bodies all over yours, isn't it? Do you really prefer a chubby girl like, Nika?
LJThe girl in the profile one gets by following the link posted for Nika (chubby, massage only girl) , does not match the photos just attached on this thread for her which show a slimmer girl. So it looks like the link has a mistaken reference.
Member #4491
09-12-12, 23:07
Wallyally, and others that know me. If you like dark haired girls I can recommend Y. PM me if you know me and / or are not a prick, and want her details.
Barba's lip size correlation theory is supported by Y. Just see pics and imagine how juicy her clam is. Nika from my last post was soft in a feminine way, but a bit stupid and with yellow teeth. Y is a sharper tool that you can have a reasonable good conversation with between the sex. We had a great time for about 4 hours. I paid for just one hour so she had a good time as well I think. I was carried away and wanted to fuck her without a condom after a couple of hours and a couple of glasses of red, but fortunately she resisted in an elegant way and dressed me up for the occasion. Her tits are a little bit softer than I like them, but quite big so the softness is excused. Nice pussy that smelled and tasted sweet and fresh. In short an educated student that knows how to use her pussy. I apply a no repeat rule to most girl I see, so I do not mind sharing with the few generous gentlemen here. The girlfriends we naturally all keep to ourselves until we are done with them, but let us transform this pathetic ego parade corner of ISG to something we can actually benefit from. I don't care if you share older or young with me, as long as you tested her and know she is honest and clean. A woman is a woman, and they are all worth a big hard cock in them if they are honest and clean. A phone number without a picture is quite useless IMHO, unless there is a detailed description of the girl.
I "just have to go back" to Asia in a couple of weeks so no Ukraine until late October, but if anyone are around by then, we could meet over a beer. We can share experiences and numbers to girls we had a good time with.
B
Member #4491
09-12-12, 23:37
Since I am in such a generous mood I will share a picture of a girl I would recommend you NOT to meet. I found out that at least one of my close friends here also spent precious time and cash on her, so I can imagine she is one of these serial offenders when it comes to using a mans hope to get free meals at fancy restaurants. The girl to the left is not unfriendly in any way, on the contrary, but just boring and has very high thoughts about herself and her vagina. A very fit body and a reasonably (not very) pretty face. I got to feel her up a bit and squeeze her firm tits while kissing her after she got hammered in a restaurant, and I would love to fuck her, but not if I have to take her to endless dinners first.
The blond girl I was introduce to at a fancy club and she was quite hot with a big juicy ass that would drive my Greek friend insane. He loves to mount himself behind a big round soft ass and press his thick hairy Johnsson in the honey cave. She said she was 18 and the next day she wanted to see me only if I took her to a really fancy restaurant I forgot the name of. Streif or whatever it was called. Think I wrote about it before. The girl to the left later told me that Blondie is only 16. Or was it 17? In any case I would avoid them both, unless I knew the meal at the mafia wannabe restaurant rendered me some guaranteed pussy. The picture is from one of these Kiev by night web pages, so I guess they are frequent guests, spending visitors hard earned money.
If you, despite my warnings, wish to invest the time in this girl, I will be happy to point gentlemen and friends to her Facebook account.
B.
DoctorOral
09-13-12, 01:49
Guys, give me a break and do not blame Nika for being chubby. She is less chubby then ALL of us!
I had two very funny sisters last ween, one a 6/7 with nice firm tits and long, long, long legs. The other chubby. They were very cool together, kissed, kissed me, did double blowjob, then the chubby one liked my ass outside and inside. Very cool. And had me cum on her big, big tits1111.
I liked. Want to try? 0989430559.
The girl in the profile one gets by following the link posted for Nika (chubby, massage only girl) , does not match the photos just attached on this thread for her which show a slimmer girl. So it looks like the link has a mistaken reference.
Boy oh boy, its a great feeling when you close a discussion with a 19 year old Mamba girl after 10 months of ranting, and she agrees to tell her mobile so we can meet. Yes I am going to Kiev, and no, its not definate, but very likely she will join the group of happy girls who get into my apartment. There is nothing, IMHO, that compares to winning a girl, half my age or less, to actually want to have sex, and enter the bed, weak in her knees, because she has for a long time had no sex or little experience. I'm glad to help and train until they have had some fresh and fantastic experience. Hope to report soon. Among the girls knocking on my message board is this, I suspect she is a pro, can anyone confirm? RB.
http://mamba.ru/my/message.phtml?cid=319220
Member #4491
09-14-12, 05:23
Guys, give me a break and do not blame Nika for being chubby. She is less chubby then ALL of us!Yea, she is not that chubby. I do not see LJ:s messages but when he is quoted and the girl is the same. Maybe she lost weight. I just saw her once some time ago and posted that because she seems to be one of those girls that half the world spunked in. LOL.
Thanks for the number!
RB, I can totally relate to that. Still working on the 18 year old model that is just so slim and gorgeous. Sometimes the hunt is even better than the kill. Or at least just as thrilling.
B.
Member #4491
09-14-12, 12:42
http://mamba.ru/my/message.phtml?cid=319220Roll Buzz, that link just close my browser window immediately. No idea why.
B.
DoctorOral
09-14-12, 18:24
Because he posted a link to her private message to him which of course we cannot see as not being logged in with his I'd. Smarter to post her I'd or profile!
Roll Buzz, that link just close my browser window immediately. No idea why.
B.
Roll Buzz, that link just close my browser window immediately. No idea why.
B.Sorry, my mistake, this ws message window. Here is profile:
http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=720717940&hit=3
This is also questionable:
http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=340111153&hit=3
Info if anyone has.
Ronaldinjo
09-15-12, 23:00
Dear Ronaldinjo,
I haven't disappeared. Nor have I ever been scared by the aggressive comments of a few assholes that inhabit this thread along with the rest of us. Just as the human body has a mind that can dream and a heart that can sing, eyes with which to behold the beauties of Kiev, and tongues with which to tastepossessory also possesses an asshole through which passes all its drek and dross that should be eliminated, so too does this ISG thread on Kiev have it's dreamers and thinkers, its singers and its venerable masters, and yes its assholes too, through which pass all their drek and drivel onto this thread for your reading pleasure. And you assholes know who you are! In the interests of avoiding a war, I shall not name names. But if upon reading these my words your sphincter is puckering and your juices fuming with anger or irritation, then you are one of the assholes. And if you are laughing, then you are one of the good guys.
Ahhhh. Writing that paragraph was immensely satisfying. I hope why'all out there were as entertained in reading it as I was in writing it. LOL.
Now, Ronaldinjo, the girls typically take me for a good looking 35 to 37 year old guy, so what's with the hello "old man" stuff? I guess some might say "hello Old boy" with the meaning of "hello old friend", so in my vanity, I shall assume you meant it as such.
I haven't posted for a relatively short while because I was waiting for all the nonsense about all kind of extraneous topics to die down, and for the discussion to turn back to our thread's proper topic. Questions and advice on scoring hot pussy in Kiev, be it p4p or freebie sex (I have long since recommended dividing the thread between these two essentially different types of girl-seeking). There has been all this stuff about France bashing and defending, a personal war of words between Prosal and CD, where Russian women prefer to travel, and sundry other off topic stuff, that anything I might have written would be of no use to the newbies who needed any help or advice because it would have immediately been buried in all the drek being spewed out into this thread. And you have to be careful too of which question you ask here, or Jojosun will, in his desire to be helpful, dump the entire pertinent Wikipedia article into this thread for your reading pleasure, and then do it twice, as is his custom.
And it is a given, that newbies, who are the ones who might benefit from what I wrote, will definitely not bother to research the thread conscientiously, and therefore will not spot my post of even two weeks prior, before asking questions just answered. So what would be the point of posting the general information type post I do once in a while? It wouldn't benefit newbies, as it would immediately be buried by the flurry of nonsense being posted of late, and would only irritate those veterans who have short fuses. So better to allow the current trend of discussion to exhaust itself, in my opinion.
The truth is that my last posts were only a short two weeks ago, on this thread, and I haven't gone anywhere. No one's asked a question recently that needed a response beyond what I posted then. For any newbies needing or desiring my comments here are some links to my recent comments that might interest you:
Cost hierarchy of p4p in Kiev.
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1316208&viewfull=1#post1316208
This report earned the following nod from veteran Cruiser D:
Prices Update.
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1318574&viewfull=1#post1318574
This report was in response to Salbatorxxx's question to the forum about Rio, and to any honest reader the report maintains its objectivity and while discussing Rio in response to the question asked, as it must, also put that strip club option into the proper context of the other options available in Kiev, as well as candidly pointed out the deficiencies of Rio in comparison with other strip clubs, and its sole advantage being regarding price for take out.
This report, as well as the previously referenced report, are a complete rebuttal to the "mythology" a few assholes on this thread are trying to promote that my reports are pushing the Rio option, and shilling for Rio, over other options for Kiev mongering. Nothing could be further from the truth. Just follow the links I provided and read what I have actually written in my posts and you will see the lie exposed by the actuality of my words, and the truth shall then dispel the myth. I state this for newbies, so that they don't get confused by the stupidity being posted by a few idiots on this thread. What I have written is clearly objective and fair reviewing of ALL options in Kiev, pointing out factors that occur to me might be important to other mongers as pros and cons for themselves in each option or venue. There is no shilling going on whatsoever.
There is however a mania that has infected a few zombies here on the thread to the point that they refer to Rio strip club as "the despised club" or not wanting to even utter the unholy name of the place refer to it as "the three letter club" or some other ridiculous manner. Dear newbie, when you read some such references to a place in Kiev that is just like any other place, with no mystery, you should simply know that the author of the comment you are at that time reading is a moron of the first order who resides in an alternate reality from this here and now world, and simply discount what they are saying, once you realize that they have some sort of mental "issue" either with my brazenness in continuing to post my opinion in the face of their intimidation, or they hate the club, or some such other nonsense that has nothing to do with giving you usable information for mongering in Kiev. The intimidation by way of name calling and insult that these guys have tried to foster here on this thread is palpable, and has members afraid to mention they visited Rio or had a nice time there. There are notable exceptions such as guys like Kirsch who posts about his great times without fear and with honesty. The intimidation unfortunately has guys like Jojosun scurrying to quickly disassociate themselves from my mongering objectives or reports. How sad, the lack of backbone. Really Jojo you disappointed me with that one, as well as your latest taunt to Ronaldinjo to find me by calling Rio, haha, which I'm sure you meant as a jest, but nevertheless feeds the mindless myth of the "intimidators" whom you apparently fear. You once posted your analysis that trashed that shilling and multiple identity stupidity by incisive logic. Where is that great mind of yours now? Yet I do not need allies to stand with me openly on this forum, if they don't have the balls to suffer the abuse of the "intimidators" lurking here. My shoulders are big enough to handle the criticism of the cretins who resort to name calling and smear of shilling for Rio that they promote as a myth in order to try to discredit my clearly balanced and honest reporting, such as the last one who tried it, namely PedroToronja. I often receive PM's of support from those who can recognize the difference between truth and bullshit. The symptom of mindlessness is most evident when in response to a cogent argument you see in the next responding post merely name calling and smear instead of a lucid argument. Here is a link to my response to Pedro:
Response to PedroToronja accusation of shilling:
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1319461&viewfull=1#post1319461
Dear newbie, if you can come away from reading the three posts I just referenced above with any shred of doubt as to my accuracy and integrity in reporting here on this thread, then you are hopeless and I recommend for you to not read my posts. However, if you feel you can benefit from the information I have presented and will continue to present, then by all means drink of these waters and gain knowledge. I think most newbies are intelligent enough to use the sniff test to recognize the bullshitters from those who honestly report on all options and don't have an axe to grind or a bias against any one option in particular. It is for those readers that I post my reports. Live and let live!
Cruiser D is not a fan of my posts, but rather a critic, since he is a veteran who knows the information I post for newbies, and doesn't need it. So to him it's useless, as he can always fall back on the many numbers he has in his vaunted Contacts list of girls in Kiev he previously met over the years. But at least he is honest. He knows the shilling thing is bullshit. However, he feels I took the easy way to finding really hot pussy in Kiev, when there are more fun ways or maybe cheaper ways. That criticism I accept, because you see he is precisely correct. I was looking for the easiest and most sure way to get hot pussy into my bed without fail each night of a three night visit to Kiev. So I looked for the easiest and surest way. If that's what you too are looking for, then my own experiences can be helpful to you. If you are instead looking to chase freebies and not p4p, or your budget or economic mentality cannot allow you to spend more than a minimum of $100 on a p4p experience, then you must find a different guru or source for the good info. My easy and sure way turned out to be an expensive way, but I expected to pay more for convenience and certainty, as is always the case, and tried to get the best prices I felt possible without sacrificing too much convenience and certainty. But I certainly always pointed out the cheaper, but less certain or convenient ways of getting pussy in Kiev. I absolutely never concealed the cheaper ways. So my posts always enabled the reader to choose his own preferences based on the factors most important to each individual monger.
Why did I choose to go into an explanation of the contentiousness that surrounds Rio and some of my posts? Because it became clear that newbies wouldn't understand the history of this dispute. Witness the honest question of Salbatorxxxx a recent poster on this thread, who is completely oblivious to the bullshitters and can't understand what all the fuss they are making is all about. I posted the above, to explain this to him and to other newbies similarly situated. Here's what he wrote:
I agree with the balance of his comments as well. The whole French thing on this thread was completely useless and a waste of time. And there is no hierarchy of what's the best mongering option in the abstract sense, because different mongers have different abilities, different goals, different circumstances, etc. So to each his own. Right on, Salbatorxxxx. You stated it correctly.
In an effort to get this thread back on track, I post the following link to my post on issues regarding using Mamba. Maybe it will generate some discussion on that topic that will provide helpful guidance for those wishing to visit Kiev for mongering. Getting contacts from mamba. Ru is one of the favored methods of finding inexpensive pussy in Kiev, so much more insight and attention should be paid to how to go about it. Here is the link to my thoughts and questions on the topic of mamba:
Developing a Strategy For Using Mamba For P4P:
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1317670&viewfull=1#post1317670
Happy Mongering.
LJOf course I meant "old friend", master of Kiev and our man in Kiev. I have no doubght that you look younger than your 50ies. How are you my friend, when are you planning to visit Kiev?
Member #4491
09-16-12, 00:36
RB,
What makes you think these two are professional hookers?
B
Of course I meant "old friend", master of Kiev and our man in Kiev. I have no doubght that you look younger than your 50ies. How are you my friend, when are you planning to visit Kiev?No Comment from me this time. On the advise of Liljoey.
I wouldn't comment even if (Dear Prosal) pops up here now.
Not in a postion to make coherent comments right now from my little corner in Laptoptistan situated in a lovely watering Hole.
Of course I meant "old friend", master of Kiev and our man in Kiev. I have no doubght that you look younger than your 50ies. How are you my friend, when are you planning to visit Kiev?Dear Ronaldinjo, feel free to PM me if you just want to exchange pleasantries.
I think perhaps you are overdoing it, as I am not a master of Kiev by any means. Just a guy with basic intelligence who likes pretty girls, has no qualms about paying for it, and is happy to share my experiences and insights of how to go about getting high quality p4p pussy in a more or less convenient and guaranteed way during a short visit in Kiev.
Yet there are areas of mongering in Kiev in which I have not devoted sufficient time and effort to be regarded as a master. I have written numerous times that in the beginning of 2011, after satisfying myself that the prices of the p4p girls in the regular nightclubs were at a minimum of $300/2 hours, that I made the decision to abandon pursuing those too high priced pussies in the regular nightclubs, and focused my attentions for daytime action on the websites like mamba. Ru or top-modals. Com and on numbers of girls I had met the prior year at the River Palace, and for nighttime action, I favored Rio strip club over the regular nightclubs, because it was cheaper then and more convenient to find what I wanted.
However, I have also written that in 2012, I became cognizant of reports on this thread by some members I considered reliable, that the prices of the p4p girls in the regular nightclubs had come down to levels of $200/2 hours or lower, and thus the prices in some regular nightclubs had become lower than even Rio strip club, which is the lowest priced strip club. So I set myself the project of getting to the regular nightclubs on my upcoming trips, to see for myself what kind of girls it was possible to get at the regular nightclubs with reasonable convenience and certainty, and at what prices. This project of investigating and reporting on the possibilities of the regular nightclubs in Kiev, is a necessary element to developing a more complete and accurate picture of the p4p scene in Kiev, upon which more accurate advice and recommendations can be based.
I have been waiting throughout 2012, for any members to post detailed and descriptive reports of the action and p4p possibilities in the regular nightclubs, by any members visiting Kiev. But until the present, no such reporting has taken place. Some of the guys who visited Kiev during the summer said that the summer is not a nightclub scene time of year. Perhaps that's true of regular girls. But p4p girls have to go somewhere. So they must still be going. Nevertheless, no one, not even Cruiser D who recommended going to the regular nightclubs, has posted any action reports with details like prices asked / negotiated, looks levels of the girls, how many or what percent of the girls were available for p4p, only a few, or a lot of p4p girls at the club in question, etc. So we are functioning in a vacuum of information. I was thinking of investigating this further and busting that nut open, so that it could be reported here with personal knowledge.
That being said, I did not follow through on this project to investigate the possibilities of the regular nightclubs yet, even though I took an opportunity during the holiday weekend at the beginning of September to hop over to Kiev for a few nights, during what was supposed to be an FKK trip, essentially. I had planned to finally visit the vaunted Club Globe in Zurich (Schwerzenbach) Switzerland, to see for myself if the quality level was higher than the Frankfurt FKK's like Oase. And after my stopover in Zurich, I had planned to stop at Goldentime in Vienna, and back to Frankfurt for a jaunt through some of the clubs there. As my travel dates approached, however, I began to yearn for Kiev, and so at the last mInute I booked the flights to hop over to Kiev and give up those days in Frankfurt.
However, While in Kiev, instead of nightclubs, I ended up focussing on two girls I had met on mamba. Ru. They were both excellent and enjoyable and cost only $100 / hour. However, old habits die hard, so on one of my nights in Kiev I took out a duo from Rio which cost $300 each girl. And no, the lesson wasn't lost on me, regarding the difference in price. But like I said, old habits do die hard. In Rio I saw many spectacular looking girls. A few I knew from the past. Most were new faces.
An interesting phenomenon was the prevalence At Rio of the girls using the excuse of "I've got my women's period" so I can't go out with you. No less than three girls said that to me after I was sure we had great chemistry and was going to take her home. I asked one of the managers if it was like a bunch of rabbits who all get their periods together? Haha. I smelled something fishy. (pun intended) so when the third girl I had hit on said to me she couldn't go home with me because she had her period, I said to myself,"this is bullshit!" so I insisted (with a smile and charm of course) that, no, she is definitely coming home with me, and to her protestations that she had her period, I said, I don't care, I love it, and smiled and laughed. Anyway, she agreed to come home with me, and even as she was leaving to go get dressed, she was saying,"ok, but you know I have my period." Guess what? When I was going down on her, and when I was fucking her brains out, there was no period! It's an excuse they use.
What did I learn about using mamba. Ru? The other two girls I had sex with were from mamba. One of them, when I finally was discussing the time of our date, wrote that she never said that the profile photos were really her. So I said what does she look like, and she emailed me her photos. She is an attractive brunette with a nicely curved body. It turned out her photos were familiar to me from another profile I had been corresponding with for this trip. She finally admitted to me that she operates about four different profiles using pictures of other girls who are not available, or even known to her, and that she put her real pictures onto one profile but with a different name. So this is what many girls do. When you fall in love with certain profile pictures, it is in many cases, pictures of a different girl, and not the one you will meet. Since she was about to meet me, she decided to come clean and see if I liked her real photos. She was nice looking, with a good body, but not as pretty or hot as the photos of the other girls she was using as advertising bait. I'm not sorry I had sex with her. Just the opposite. Now that I know who she really is, I can't wait to get her in bed again. I did have to do some therapy on my head to get the other girls' pictures out of my head, but they were not real or available, so it was a fantasy.
Many girls will post fake photos and then on a different album in their profile, there will be one or two pictures which are actually them.
The second girl I met from mamba. Ru was exactly how she looked in her mamba profile pictures. In fact she looked better in person. She is a gorgeous blonde with a model face and hot little ass. She is a nightclub girl and admits to going in order to pick up men.
The p4p girls on mamba. Ru have various ways of making it obvious that they are available for p4p. Sometimes they write into the words at the top of the profile that they offer intimate meetings for $$$$. Sometimes they say they are looking for dating / relationship / friendship with men up to age 50 or age 60 or more. When the girl is in her 20's, it is a hint that she is looking to date older men for sponsorship or money. Sometimes, it isn't clear what they want because they have written so little. Just send a nice message and ask them if they are interested in meeting you, to please send their phone number and conditions. Asking for their conditions, is a very discreet and not obvious way, to ask what they want. You also have plausible deniability in case you don't want to say you wanted them for paid sex, since the words can be interpreted otherwise also. If they don't want money, they may ask what you want. Then you are free to say you want friendship and to enjoy their nice company. If they want money, they will to you.
There are a number of girls who write specifically on their profiles that they are not looking for sponsor, do not want money, do not provide sexual services, and are looking for true love and friendship. These girls have made it clear that they are not p4p girls. Also girls in the teens and early 20's who are seeking to find men up to age 25 or 30, are probably also just regular girls, and I usually just skip them because they have written in their profile that they want a man who is more age appropriate to their own age. There's no harm to send one nice message, or a "wink", just in case they do like your profile and want to respond. But don't pester such girls repeatedly, or she will block you, or worse complain and your profile might get blocked.
One other thing, it is important, although it is tedious, to make a copy of the name, Copies of their profile photos, phone numbers and prices of each girl you ate interested in and have corresponded enough with to get the phone number. You will be thankful you made the copy when they delete their profile. Deletion of profiles happens constantly. Within the two months leading up to a trip, half the girls whose contacts I had put into a specific folder for that trip, had deleted the profile. They delete and re- open a new profile with different pics constantly. Why? I don't know. It is frustrating. In order to copy their profile photos so I can use them later to decide who I want to invite over to my apartment from the various mamba contacts I have, and assuming the profile photos are true, I have been able to do it by copying a "screen shot" of the computer screen into a photo editing program and cropping it and saving it as a jpeg, or just leaving the screen shot as is, if I'm lazy. At least this way I have something to refer to about what they look like and who they are, even after they delete their profile.
Happy mongering,
LJ
PedroToronja
09-16-12, 22:39
I used Gia a few years ago and from all the girls they sent me, only one met my standards, I did probably 2 or 3 and sent back just as many. The girl are the ones in the photos, but the photos are too modified with Photoshop. Besides, they are quite expensive. Now I see this girl called Angelika at http://gia.la/girl/angelika2 And she looks very good to me, and offers the brown button, which I am crazy about. She is almost too good to be true. And you know how the saying goes. Anyone tried her?
PedroToronja
09-16-12, 22:49
I do a lot of fishing in Mamba and Top-Modals. Used to fish on SeekingArrangement but now they don't show many good targets. I already posted here a girl in Kiev that I thought it was very good, did anyone try her?
This other is also very good, I would say a solid 8, and she loves dick, but no anal and a little too sexually aggressive for my taste, I like more submissive. If you try her, give us your rating: http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=555672221&hit=3 Her name is Julie and the pics are accurate.
Can you guys also recommend? I will be happy to review more and give you their links.
BTW, I will be in Kiev for 10 days starting Sept 24 if someone wants to meet-up.
I used Gia a few years ago and from all the girls they sent me, only one met my standards, I did probably 2 or 3 and sent back just as many. The girl are the ones in the photos, but the photos are too modified with Photoshop. Besides, they are quite expensive. Now I see this girl called Angelika at.
http://gia.la/girl/angelika2
And she looks very good to me, and offers the brown button, which I am crazy about. She is almost too good to be true. And you know how the saying goes. Anyone tried her?Pedro,
I just know that gia changed the policy of pictures on their website.
Pictures of the girls can vary from very different years and there are. Obviously. A lot of massive photoshopped too.
But:
If you check "your desired girl": you will see a lot of natural and "private" pictures.
There is even one from Olmeca Beach in Kyiv. (pic #8)
I think this should match the reality.
Anyway: just try it. If she not match your desire: give her money for taksi and refuse
Anybody have a general opinion as to weather sponsorship has been in decline or rise within Ukraine. Was Mamba better in years past? Now that I have come to appreciate the venue and the art involved to seduce, did I miss out on anything or is it as good as ever for the guys that really know how to use Mamba?
Member #4491
09-17-12, 21:37
Mr PedroToronja, thank you for sharing. If you pay the 20 $ I will send you some girls.
Anybody know if Dante is open and packed with tier 1 girls also during the autumn? Does everybody (every man) have to pay 200 gremlins to enter or just me and other fools who had to fork that up? Maybe it was 100 and I had to pay for the hoe who "invited" me?
B.
SexBomb123
09-17-12, 22:54
An interesting phenomenon was the prevalence At Rio of the girls using the excuse of "I've got my women's period" so I can't go out with you. No less than three girls said that to me after I was sure we had great chemistry and was going to take her home. I asked one of the managers if it was like a bunch of rabbits who all get their periods together? Haha. I smelled something fishy. (pun intended) so when the third girl I had hit on said to me she couldn't go home with me because she had her period, I said to myself,"this is bullshit!" so I insisted (with a smile and charm of course) that, no, she is definitely coming home with me, and to her protestations that she had her period, I said, I don't care, I love it, and smiled and laughed. Anyway, she agreed to come home with me, and even as she was leaving to go get dressed, she was saying,"ok, but you know I have my period." Guess what? When I was going down on her, and when I was fucking her brains out, there was no period! It's an excuse they use.LJ,
I've always been an admirer of your advice and anecdotes and like most on this forum am grateful for your input. But you had me confused on this one. If the girl was making an excuse, why would you want to go with her if she wasn't reciprocating this possibility? In the past you have emphasised how important it is to build a rapport with the girl before utilising the option of take-out which isn't cheap. If there was a likelihood she wouldn't be into it, I'm just rather surprised you took her out regardless.
For what it's worth, I hope to be back in Kiev in a few weeks and intend to examine the club scene much more closely. I visited Rio previously and will probably do so again, purely because I like the atmosphere and it is next door to the apartment I have stayed in previously and the beer is relatively cheap. But I never really saw any 9 or 10 rated girls there (maybe except one that I can remember but she was far too tall for a short-arse like me) so will certainly be keen to explore other possibilities.
PedroToronja
09-18-12, 03:19
Dear Ronaldinjo, feel free to PM me if you just want to exchange pleasantries.
I think perhaps you are overdoing it, as I am not a master of Kiev by any means. Just a guy with basic intelligence who likes pretty girls, has no qualms about paying for it, and is happy to share my experiences and insights of how to go about getting high quality p4p pussy in a more or less convenient and guaranteed way during a short visit in Kiev.
Happy mongering,
LJI used and keep using Mamba and all LJ wrote is exactly my experience. The key is when they look for a man 50 or older, or just a man without specifying age. The Admins of Mamba are quite particular and strange. They do remove your photo and threaten to block you if you ask directly for sex. They don't want you to put your email address either and if girls ask openly for money for sex, they apparently also get blocked or their profiles deleted. That may be the reason why so many profiles (practically all) get deleted after a few months. Many girls refuse to write that they want money for sex, they say they discuss the details on the phone. Problem is, for me, I don't speak Russian. I write messages using Google Translate, and that is how I read what they say to me. I am going back in a week, and I already have 'dates' with some 15 girls from Mamba, some of them (at least their photos, which of course they swear are true) are solid 9s and 10s. No kidding.
I contacted 5 model agencies, of fashion photo, advertising. I asked for a model to accompany me on my 'business meetings' and dinner. I got 10 models proposed to me, with the worst being a 9. Incredible beauties. Cost is 400 Euros per model. No word of sex yet. I will ask about extending the company overnight, and (pray for me please) I will see what reaction I get, and share with you. I am ready and willing to cough 1K for any of those beauties if I get the full spectrum of what I expect (If I can fuck the shit out of them, in other words). Let's hope and pray.
Like LJ, I do copy and paste the photos, name, link to their profile in Mamba, phone number, etc. On my Outlook Calendar. Also my own evaluation of the girl and the services they offer (or do not offer, most are very emphatic about NO ANAL) , to my big disappointment. I do the same with the girls from Top-Modals, of which I selected 3 or 4 for this trip. Yes, I still have phone numbers from girls from River Palace. Ukraine is fucking paradise. Literary.
PedroToronja
09-18-12, 03:36
Pedro,
I just know that gia changed the policy of pictures on their website.
Pictures of the girls can vary from very different years and there are. Obviously. A lot of massive photoshopped too.
But:
If you check "your desired girl": you will see a lot of natural and "private" pictures.
There is even one from Olmeca Beach in Kyiv. (pic #8)
I think this should match the reality.
Anyway: just try it. If she not match your desire: give her money for taksi and refuseSorry, I am missing something. I want to try what you suggested, but I don't see a button or menu option for 'your desired girl', or a website with that name. Com. Ua or. Ua What do you mean?
LJ,
For what it's worth, I hope to be back in Kiev in a few weeks and intend to examine the club scene much more closely. I visited Rio previously and will probably do so again, purely because I like the atmosphere and it is next door to the apartment I have stayed in previously and the beer is relatively cheap. But I never really saw any 9 or 10 rated girls there (maybe except one that I can remember but she was far too tall for a short-arse like me) so will certainly be keen to explore other possibilities.If the girl you refer to is, Was Blonde? Then I agree with you she was as close to a 10 as it gets.
Got Pasha the manager to ask her to come over to my table and she did, but she only spoke Russian so she said. I had to pass.
She was one of the most beautiful girls that I saw in Kiev.
She was very tall which suits me fine. .
Was working there in Nov. 09, but I didn't see her again.
Wonder if she is still working there?
RB,
What makes you think these two are professional hookers?
BI was only guessing because they were straightforward about meeting for material support. Maybe there is the reason my Mamba profile suddenly was blocked. Never had this before, and don't understand Why Me? Why Now. Lost several contacts that will take days to find again on my new account. But I had no respons regarding those two
Hectorgonz
09-18-12, 19:55
I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.
Member #4491
09-18-12, 22:54
I was only guessing because they were straightforward about meeting for material support. Maybe there is the reason my Mamba profile suddenly was blocked. Never had this before, and don't understand Why Me? Why Now. Lost several contacts that will take days to find again on my new account. But I had no respons regarding those twoRB, it happened to me also but I just wrote the admin and asked them to please unblock the profile. And they did, without even responding to my email.
B.
Member #4491
09-18-12, 23:08
I write messages using Google Translate, and that is how I read what they say to me. I am going back in a week, and I already have 'dates' with some 15 girls from Mamba, some of them (at least their photos, which of course they swear are true) are solid 9s and 10s.I try to find girls that know at least basic English and I try to spend some time with them on Skype / YM / MSN / FB / etc if they claim to not be hard core professionals. You just have to wiggle a bit and they will chat with you. Give them a reason and they will give you the time. Some do cam chat as well and at that stage you will be reassured how they look. To collect dates with Russian speaking girls from Mamba is a bit of a gamble IMHO, at least unless you get past the normal exchange of price, date and phone number. I find that many of the real girls have profiles that survive while many of the Russian speaking "girls", especially with generic template responses, are more often deleted. Time wash out the true ones from the fakes. The fake profiles, or rather the ones that I determine to be agencies, always dies within some weeks. Persistence is they key for me, on all dating sites, for all locations I visit. No one (except one or two "winners" here) ever said Ukraine was easy, but better to spend the time preparing than to spend the time in frustration when you are there and ready for action.
B.
Will be going to Kiev next week. Any advice per PM would much appreciated. I prefer quality of quantity.
As it relates to hotels. Trying to decide between Intercon and Premier Palace?
Anyone want to meet up next week just PM me.
LJ,
I've always been an admirer of your advice and anecdotes and like most on this forum am grateful for your input. But you had me confused on this one. If the girl was making an excuse, why would you want to go with her if she wasn't reciprocating this possibility? In the past you have emphasised how important it is to build a rapport with the girl before utilising the option of take-out which isn't cheap. If there was a likelihood she wouldn't be into it, I'm just rather surprised you took her out regardless.
For what it's worth, I hope to be back in Kiev in a few weeks and intend to examine the club scene much more closely. I visited Rio previously and will probably do so again, purely because I like the atmosphere and it is next door to the apartment I have stayed in previously and the beer is relatively cheap. But I never really saw any 9 or 10 rated girls there (maybe except one that I can remember but she was far too tall for a short-arse like me) so will certainly be keen to explore other possibilities.Dear Sexbomb123,
To paraphrase your good question. Why continue to try to take out a girl who has told me she has her period, even if I suspect she does not have her period and is using that claim as an excuse? If she is using an excuse so as not to go out with me, isn't that proof she is not into me, that the chemistry and rapport are lacking, and that if I somehow manage to get her to go out finally, isn't she likely to be a bad date?
It's a fair question. The answer is that in the instances where I persevered to take the girl out, I felt there was definitely chemistry, based on the interaction with the girl up until that point. I knew the girl liked me. There was no mistaking that part based upon our conversation and rapport and the behavior in the private dances. So her refusal to go out and giving the excuse of having her period was accepted by me as truthful at first, because my assumption was that she would want to go out with me if she could. But I handing the back of my mind, the fact that one of my first favoritas at Rio over a year and a half ago, had also claimed to have her period at first, and then changed her mind and came out with me, and we had one of my best sessions ever. And in the course of the session it was obvious she never had her period, and had just said it as an excuse. So after a third girl said it to me on a recent visit, I decided that it was not a true excuse, but that something else was going on. For example, the first girl who said it to me on my recent visit was Tory. Tory is a spectacular looking girl I met last year when she danced in the VIP. She has jet black hair and is a true hard body, with incredible cut musculature in her torso, which I find very sexy. She has a pretty face too, as well as a cute ass. She had agreed then last year to go out with me, but I had never been able to take her because I had other girls I was interested in before her. When I saw her at first this last visit, she was busy with another customer, but she broke free for a short time to cOme over and say hello. It was immediately evident that she was very happy to see me, the electricity was palpable, and the chemistry was definitely there. I am not a delusional patsy. Anyway, she was busy that night. I made up with her that I would come see her the next night and we would finally haven our date. She agreed wholeheartedly. I didn't end up taking anyone out of Rio that night, having just finished an excellent session with a $100 / hour mamba girl before coming to the Rio club. But the next night when I returned, I had intended to take out Tory, at long last. She came over to me, and we had a nice chat, but then she told me she could not go out with me that night. I believed her at that moment when she said she had her period. I am puzzled now in afterthought as to why she made such an excuse, when I now believe that was all it was. But I am absolutely certain that if and when Tory comes out with me sometime in the future, the sex will be scorching hot. I really like the girl, and I just feel it in my gut that she likes me.
So I guess the answer to your question is that it depends on the situation. In general, your warning of a possible bad session up ahead should be taken as a serious possibility. But to that I add that one can override that concern with gut intuition about the chemistry with a girl, in a suitable case. I have done so several times, and have not been disappointed with the girl afterward.
Perhaps some girls have hesitations and are nervous about going out in general. When you persevere and keep trying to get them to come out with you, you somehow prove to them that you really are nuts about them. That seems to make a difference to them.
When I asked the girl I mentioned above that I met a year and a half ago, why she refused me at first, and then later in the private dance, she changed her mind and agreed to come out with me, her answer was, that during the private dance she saw that I really wanted her (as if my huge erection could leave her any doubt about that. LOL.) I guess she needed the reassurance of seeing how much I responded to her. I also think I turned her on with some of the stuff I did to her in the private dance too, and perhaps that was a factor too. Anyway, the memory of her refusal at first, and the awesome date that followed (I have dated her many times since then) was in my mind.
So I knew the possibilities, and trusted in my gut intuition that it would be good with a girl, even if she gave me an excuse at first. With a girl I didn't know enough to have the basis for any gut intuition feeling about her, I probably would not have taken a chance on her, to persevere and try to get her to go out, for the concerns that you mentioned.
In general, with EE women, I believe the experts will confirm, they like to refuse you, they get off on it, and the more times you ask them undeterred, you increase your chances. If you ask them 10 times, they feel very complimented, and may just say yes. So I think that factor that applies to EE women in general, also plays a role when trying to woo a young stripper to come out with you for a sexy date.
LJ
I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.In a nutshell the food in most of Eastern Europe including Kiev is plain crap and the the better ones are expensive for what they are. .
I understand where you are coming from, but if you are staying near independence square here is onw which might suit you, Krym restaurant off independence square.
"A good Tartar restaurant'
5 of 5 stars Reviewed 4 August 2011.
1.
"
If you're looking to try different kinds of food while in Kiev, definitely check out Krym. Located right off of Maidan, there is a fairly large menu with a good selection. I personally loved the laghman (a meat stew with noodles). I've had better chak-chak before, although that was in a Tartar village in Crimea so I suppose I can't quite hold Krym to such high standards."
This was one review from many on www.tripadvisor.com On Kiev restaurants.
I have been there few times and if you read the menu and choose carefully the food and drinks are very good. And reasonable.
If you go down the escalators by the side of this restaurant you will find many international food stalls in the underpass with seating areas. Turkish, Chinese, Noodle Bars, Etc. Some are good and very resonable.
If you have a date and want good fresh seafood in a nice restaurant, head to Xata Rabata on the other side of the Dnipro River. About 70 uah return by taxi. .
Georgian and Greek Restaurants near the centre are good as well.
I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.In a nutshell the food in most of Eastern Europe including Kiev is plain crap and the the better ones are expensive for what they are.
I understand where you are coming from, but if you are staying near independence square here is onw which might suit you, Krym restaurant off independence square.
"A good Tartar restaurant'
5 of 5 stars Reviewed 4 August 2011.
1. If you're looking to try different kinds of food while in Kiev, definitely check out Krym. Located right off of Maidan, there is a fairly large menu with a good selection. I personally loved the laghman (a meat stew with noodles). I've had better chak-chak before, although that was in a Tartar village in Crimea so I suppose I can't quite hold Krym to such high standards."
This was one review from many on www.tripadvisor.com On Kiev restaurants.
I have been there few times and if you read the menu and choose carefully the food and drinks are very good. And reasonable.
If you go down the escalators by the side of this restaurant you will find many international food stalls in the underpass with seating areas. Turkish, Chinese, Noodle Bars, Etc. Some are good and very resonable.
If you have a date and want good fresh seafood in a nice restaurant, head to Xata Rabata on the other side of the Dnipro River. About 70 uah return by taxi. .
Georgian and Greek Restaurants near the centre are good as well.
Here is Krym Restaurant review and directions on Lonely Planet Kiev.
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/ukraine/kyiv/restaurants/central-asian/krym.
Use Lonely Planet and wwww.tripadvisor.com Online to look up restaurants. They take care reviewing restaurants and clubs.
I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.More choices on here with directions.
http://www.inyourpocket.com/ukraine/kyiv/restaurants-cafes.
Fee free to post on your foodie experinces there after you taste the goodies.
It would be very useful.
I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.Just fished out this one an Uzbek Restaurnat. Good deal lunch time and at night a Belly Dancer. Sounds good to take a date there as well.
If not for you, then very useful for (Dear Prosal) , albiet no Frogs Legs on the menu. .
Pro, the things I go out of my way to do for you. You Old French Git, ha, ha.
"Karavan.
Walking through the door, we felt as if we were suddenly transported to central Asia. Everyone is wearing Uzbek traditional costumes and if you wish, you can buy one for yourself or purchase one of the handmade dishes or other gifts. The cuisine is Uzbek and some Moroccan and the restaurant holds a Halal Certificate. Much of the food & ingredients are imported and there is an open grill which gives that special aroma that carries throughout the restaurant. Everyone was supper friendly and spoke English as did the menu. An average meal costs around 350Hr. There is a business lunch weekdays from 12:00-16:00 for just 85Hr. On Friday & Saturday there is the 'chef's special' – something the chef offers that's not on the menu for 180Hr. There are TV monitors set up for football and there is a belly dancer from 20:00 daily except Monday & Tuesday.
Credit Cards Wi-fi Live Music Smoking place Non-smoking Air-conditioning Breakfast.
Open:
Open 12:00-00:00, Fri, Sat 08:00-02:00.
Address:
Klovskiy Uzviz 10.
Phone:
(+380) 67 502 65 26.
www:
http://www.2k.ua
If the girl you refer to is, Was Blonde? Then I agree with you she was as close to a 10 as it gets.
Got Pasha the manager to ask her to come over to my table and she did, but she only spoke Russian so she said. I had to pass.
She was one of the most beautiful girls that I saw in Kiev.
She was very tall which suits me fine. .
Was working there in Nov. 09, but I didn't see her again.
Wonder if she is still working there?Hi Jojosun,
Going back to November of 2009, is quite a large bit of time in a strip club with a high rate of dancer turn over like Rio. If it's a blonde girl who was extremely pretty and awesome body that you are rembering, there are two names that come to mind. Both were my pleasure to meet at the end of 2010 and beginning of 2011. The first was named Taya. She wAs tall, blonde and awesome looking, like a cover girl model type. She spoke some English though. The second girl I thought of from those times was named Rosa, who had dirty blonde colored hair, a very good body and sexy way of dancing, and a particularly beautiful, finely featured face. She too spoke some English though. Both these girls no longer work at Rio for quite some time. Since they spoke a little English, I'm not sure if either of these were your fantasy girl of November 2009. I hadn't started going to Rio at that time yet, and was still happy with the offerings of River Palace and top-modals. Com at the time. And when I started going to Rio at the end of 2010, I too only took interest in girls who spoke English.
However, since then I have used Google Translate successfully, to date girls who don't speak English, as long as they are happy to communicate with me by writing back and forth to supplement my very few words of Russian. If the girl is patient and good natured it works out fine. This can help with any girl who shows up at your door from one of the low cost websites also. Simply sit her down together with you in front of your laptop, and try to get a conversation going. It breaks the ice, and can help get things going until you reach the point where you ask her in writing if she would like to go take a shower. I also bring the laptop to the bedroom and have it on my nightstand just in case the need arises to say or ask something while we are in bed together. Don't let language barrier prevent you from having sex with a pretty, but non English speaking girl.
LJ
trying to woo a young stripperIn my experience, many strippers in FSU are just girls with honest feelings, emotions, goals and reactions. With them, you need to develop other skills than the simple fact of having money. Intelligence, empathy, charm, witt, cultural knowledge, ect come to mind.
Will be going to Kiev next week. Any advice per PM would much appreciated. I prefer quality of quantity.
As it relates to hotels. Trying to decide between Intercon and Premier Palace?
Anyone want to meet up next week just PM me.
Quality can be found anywhere in Kiev. Before you go and if you got some game go for semi pros,"normal girls" at tg site.
As for escort coming to your rom I would suggest GIA.
Hectorgonz
09-19-12, 18:56
In a nutshell the food in most of Eastern Europe including Kiev is plain crap and the the better ones are expensive for what they are.
I understand where you are coming from, but if you are staying near independence square here is onw which might suit you, Krym restaurant off independence square.
"A good Tartar restaurant'
5 of 5 stars Reviewed 4 August 2011.
1. If you're looking to try different kinds of food while in Kiev, definitely check out Krym. Located right off of Maidan, there is a fairly large menu with a good selection. I personally loved the laghman (a meat stew with noodles). I've had better chak-chak before, although that was in a Tartar village in Crimea so I suppose I can't quite hold Krym to such high standards."
This was one review from many on.
www.tripadvisor.com
On Kiev restaurants.
I have been there few times and if you read the menu and choose carefully the food and drinks are very good. And reasonable.
If you go down the escalators by the side of this restaurant you will find many international food stalls in the underpass with seating areas. Turkish, Chinese, Noodle Bars, Etc. Some are good and very resonable.
If you have a date and want good fresh seafood in a nice restaurant, head to Xata Rabata on the other side of the Dnipro River. About 70 uah return by taxi. .
Georgian and Greek Restaurants near the centre are good as well.
Here is Krym Restaurant review and directions on Lonely Planet Kiev.
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/ukraine/kyiv/restaurants/central-asian/krym.
Use Lonely Planet and.
wwww.tripadvisor.com
Online to look up restaurants. They take care reviewing restaurants and clubs.Jojosun,
Thanks for the tips. If my stomach isn't happy my pecker won't be a happy camper as well.
I'm only just beginning to figure this city out from a culinary perspective. I experienced a couple of shock days to my budget and taste buds initially, but I discovered the restaurant reviews section of tripadvisor today, and the one restaurant I tried (Walter's) was a welcome change for the pleasant, thankfully. I'm going to take note of what and where I ate so I build a database of where, and where not to go, for future visits.
H.
SexBomb123
09-19-12, 19:43
If the girl you refer to is, Was Blonde? Then I agree with you she was as close to a 10 as it gets.
Got Pasha the manager to ask her to come over to my table and she did, but she only spoke Russian so she said. I had to pass.
She was one of the most beautiful girls that I saw in Kiev.
She was very tall which suits me fine. .
Was working there in Nov. 09, but I didn't see her again.
Wonder if she is still working there?Hi Jojo,
The girl was definitely a brunette and in her heels, easily 6 foot 4. What stood out for me whilst she danced on stage was her ample breasts. I'm not sure who the manager was, maybe Sergey (?) but he allowed me to take a private dance with her which I did enjoy greatly. I could sense the girl was tired though, (it was around 3am) as was I having spent the evening watching Dynamo Kyiv so I opted not to try and take out. Her body was awesome. Immensely tight with breasts which must have been D+ cup.
RB, it happened to me also but I just wrote the admin and asked them to please unblock the profile. And they did, without even responding to my email.
B.This happen to me too. The reason? Don't know, maybe because telephone numbers exchanges which seems to be nogt allowed and Administrators are checking this or maybe because I was to direct requesting how much money for se? Any way I don't know the reason and I requested also to Administrator an explanation but until now no response. What can I do? A new account and loose all my contacts?
In a nutshell the food in most of Eastern Europe including Kiev is plain crap and the the better ones are expensive for what they are.
I understand where you are coming from, but if you are staying near independence square here is onw which might suit you, Krym restaurant off independence square.
"A good Tartar restaurant'
5 of 5 stars Reviewed 4 August 2011.
1. If you're looking to try different kinds of food while in Kiev, definitely check out Krym. Located right off of Maidan, there is a fairly large menu with a good selection. I personally loved the laghman (a meat stew with noodles). I've had better chak-chak before, although that was in a Tartar village in Crimea so I suppose I can't quite hold Krym to such high standards."
This was one review from many on.
www.tripadvisor.com
On Kiev restaurants.
I have been there few times and if you read the menu and choose carefully the food and drinks are very good. And reasonable.Sorry I had to repost again. Its all in the the title which means what it means.
Some words were missing in the title of the posts below.
The reason for the clarifiation because, the last thing I want to read is a Fucking Lecture on Political Correctness given to me by a dickhead.
Just realized that a combination of Tatars and Horses might give a different meaning to the title of my post.
I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.If you like good meat I would suggest this http://beef.kiev.ua/en/Meat/about-cobe/
A nice place for good meal in Kiev.
PedroToronja
09-20-12, 01:27
It happened. I get ready, $20 pill one hour before meeting, girl that shows at my door is not even a bad copy of a bad copy of the girl I saw on the website. So not to get stuck, if anyone had any experience with the following, please let me know. I promise to provide feedback afterwards for the benefit of the good people of this Community. If nothing else, enjoy your eyes, but please do not rush to visit with them before I get there this weekend, or I may not find them virgins anymore!
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5644#f5
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6301#f2
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=4590#f2
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6003
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5498
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5916#f3
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6122
http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=943508399&hit=3
http://mamba.ru/Lenchik200810
http://mamba.ru/sexsimvolmambu?afolder=album_photos&album_id=766287947&#closed.
http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=966520047&hit=10&fromsearch&sp=24
http://mamba.ru/zajegalo4ka?afolder=album_photos&album_id=562807915&#closed
I appreciate your info on any of them. Thanks!
In Kiev for 1-2 weeks leaving this weekend. Bought some sick penthouse 3 bedroom with jacuzzi close to it all.
Also have some sexy Svetlana who speaks perfect english showing me the real Kyiv probably moving in with me.
This country and how there minds reallly intrigue me. Well anyway I'm excited to see how this pans out for me, Sveta is bringing all her girlfirends over ever night before we go out. She wants to hook me up with them, yet wants to smash me as well.
Interesting how this acquaintance came about to. I was trying to get her friend Liuba but she's in turkey for the week so she hooks me up with her hot friend.
Well gents, I plan on having a dozen EE sluts in my penthouse all week. Can't wait. All this dam oil money needs to be spent on some good times!
Anyone here of the massage parlor? I forget the name. Its probably on my work pc but they have a hole menu for errotic massages, lesbian massages. Cheap.
Ill deff be hitting all the underground and top clubs, probably everything with vodka, I'm a soddin alchoholic horndog. So I assure you I will keep this HOLY forum we have created in the loop.
MAMBA NOTES! Yes works for quit times of desperation. Try haggling! You can get for 50-60 USD easily.
If your planning a trip! Hit up these dam marriage agencies. YES probably not entirely what your looking for but these women are real its a cheap way to get ahold of a weekend sex doll for free!
Slightly annoyed lenny kravitz cancelled his tour there, bound to be a fishbowl of targets.
Till then chaps watch BBC news for tourist in Kiev killed and left in ice chest.
Will be going to Kiev next week. Any advice per PM would much appreciated. I prefer quality of quantity.
As it relates to hotels. Trying to decide between Intercon and Premier Palace?
Anyone want to meet up next week just PM me.If your a young man under 30 I could possibly have some. Prime candidates to hook you up with.
My girl Sveta is sad I travel alone, she has so many gf's that want "nice" handsome men.)
This happen to me too. The reason? Don't know, maybe because telephone numbers exchanges which seems to be nogt allowed and Administrators are checking this or maybe because I was to direct requesting how much money for se? Any way I don't know the reason and I requested also to Administrator an explanation but until now no response. What can I do? A new account and loose all my contacts?Hey, Barba's advice worked, after ca. Two days the profile was unblocked and all my correspondance was there again. My big luck, one more time. But remember to update the little black book, too, and regularly, or whatever system you got. Reason for blocking can only be unhappy girl. There is this button they can use: block user, and it has fatal consequenses for your profile and all your correspondance. So be polite to the girls here, as always.
If you like good meat I would suggest this.
http://beef.kiev.ua/en/Meat/about-cobe/
A nice place for good meal in Kiev.Ouch. I'm not stingy, but some 38 € for a Filet Mignon and 62 € for a Chateaubriand isn't cheap, especially when you talk about hormones-loaded US beef. I wonder what is the price for Kobe beef.
Just fished out this one an Uzbek Restaurnat. Good deal lunch time and at night a Belly Dancer. Sounds good to take a date there as well.
If not for you, then very useful for (Dear Prosal) , albiet no Frogs Legs on the menu. .
Pro, the things I go out of my way to do for you. You Old French Git, ha, ha.
"Karavan.
Walking through the door, we felt as if we were suddenly transported to central Asia. Everyone is wearing Uzbek traditional costumes and if you wish, you can buy one for yourself or purchase one of the handmade dishes or other gifts. The cuisine is Uzbek and some Moroccan and the restaurant holds a Halal Certificate. Much of the food & ingredients are imported and there is an open grill which gives that special aroma that carries throughout the restaurant. Everyone was supper friendly and spoke English as did the menu. An average meal costs around 350Hr. There is a business lunch weekdays from 12:00-16:00 for just 85Hr. On Friday & Saturday there is the 'chef's special' – something the chef offers that's not on the menu for 180Hr. There are TV monitors set up for football and there is a belly dancer from 20:00 daily except Monday & Tuesday.
Credit Cards Wi-fi Live Music Smoking place Non-smoking Air-conditioning Breakfast.
Open:
Open 12:00-00:00, Fri, Sat 08:00-02:00.
Address:
Klovskiy Uzviz 10.
Phone:
(+380) 67 502 65 26.
www:
http://www.2k.uaSpasibo, it's very nice from you indeed, I thought your culinary tastes were limited to fish and chips (smilie). Anyway Karavan is the best uzbek cuisine restaurant in Tashkent, where I like to take my dates. It belongs to a group which has also a (great) georgian venue, a pub / brewery, a japonese venue, ect, all very good. I doubt that the Kiev venue is a branch of the group though. Also, prices might not be the same, a large portion of Plov (the national dish) , enough for two, costing about 5 € in Tashkent, and a plate of shashliks, still for two persons, some 4 €.
http://caravan.caravangroup.uz/rus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mx1CQL8DJo&feature=related
Hi Jojo,
The girl was definitely a brunette and in her heels, easily 6 foot 4. What stood out for me whilst she danced on stage was her ample breasts. I'm not sure who the manager was, maybe Sergey (?) but he allowed me to take a private dance with her which I did enjoy greatly. I could sense the girl was tired though, (it was around 3am) as was I having spent the evening watching Dynamo Kyiv so I opted not to try and take out. Her body was awesome. Immensely tight with breasts which must have been D+ cup.Thanks for the reply. She sounds very similar to a girl who was dancing at Tixi omut Strip Club on the other side of the Dnipro.
Will check her out on my next visit. I would be interested to hear a second opinion on her by my wingwoman.
Ouch. I'm not stingy, but some 38 € for a Filet Mignon and 62 € for a Chateaubriand isn't cheap, especially when you talk about hormones-loaded US beef. I wonder what is the price for Kobe beef.Yes I agree it is not cheap and not a place I go to everyday. But its the only place I know in Kiev where they serve proper beef.
PedroToronja
09-20-12, 19:14
In Kiev for 1-2 weeks leaving this weekend. Bought some sick penthouse 3 bedroom with jacuzzi close to it all.
A.
Slightly annoyed lenny kravitz cancelled his tour there, bound to be a fishbowl of targets.
Till then chaps watch BBC news for tourist in Kiev killed and left in ice chest.I will be in Kyiv same time as you. Hope to meet up. U have too many cuties to take care by yourself and I feel sorry for you, I need to lighten your load (actually, that sound horribly gay, that is not what I meant! Delete delete delete) , meaning of course that I have to take care of some of the poor chicks you won't be able to get to. Lets touch base, tits, pussies and asses!
Haha. Sorry, misunderstanding. I meant:
This girl you have choosen from GIA page. That "Angelika"
Sorry, I am missing something. I want to try what you suggested, but I don't see a button or menu option for 'your desired girl', or a website with that name. Com. Ua or. Ua What do you mean?
Member #4491
09-20-12, 23:56
This happen to me too. The reason? Don't know, maybe because telephone numbers exchanges which seems to be nogt allowed and Administrators are checking this or maybe because I was to direct requesting how much money for se? Any way I don't know the reason and I requested also to Administrator an explanation but until now no response. What can I do? A new account and loose all my contacts?I exchanged many phone numbers on Flirt / Mamba, so I do not think it is that. Do you have a fake picture and told someone so they maybe reported yup to the moderators?
I have fake picture and my profile was closed because of that but I wold them "I did nothing wrong. I followed the guidelines. Bla bla bla." And then they opened the profile again. The fake pic was gone, so I had to upload another fake pic.
B.
PedroToronja
09-21-12, 02:21
I exchanged many phone numbers on Flirt / Mamba, so I do not think it is that. Do you have a fake picture and told someone so they maybe reported yup to the moderators?
I have fake picture and my profile was closed because of that but I wold them "I did nothing wrong. I followed the guidelines. Bla bla bla." And then they opened the profile again. The fake pic was gone, so I had to upload another fake pic.
B.Same with me, uploaded fake photos until one stuck, and there it is.
DoctorOral
09-21-12, 06:26
All the mamba profiles chosen are fake or salons.
No individual!
If you want student girls. Search not for nude penthouse fotos in the profile.
There is good salons though / so happy times.
If they give you the number, you can normally just google up the number.
And then see who they are in the web.
It happened. I get ready, $20 pill one hour before meeting, girl that shows at my door is not even a bad copy of a bad copy of the girl I saw on the website. So not to get stuck, if anyone had any experience with the following, please let me know. I promise to provide feedback afterwards for the benefit of the good people of this Community. If nothing else, enjoy your eyes, but please do not rush to visit with them before I get there this weekend, or I may not find them virgins anymore!
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5644#f5
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6301#f2
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=4590#f2
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6003
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5498
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5916#f3
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6122
http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=943508399&hit=3
http://mamba.ru/Lenchik200810
http://mamba.ru/sexsimvolmambu?afolder=album_photos&album_id=766287947&
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http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=966520047&hit=10&fromsearch&sp=24
http://mamba.ru/zajegalo4ka?afolder=album_photos&album_id=562807915&
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I appreciate your info on any of them. Thanks!
Yes I agree it is not cheap and not a place I go to everyday. But its the only place I know in Kiev where they serve proper beef.By the way I can't believe that their Grave 2008 (Bordeaux) costs some 55 €. In Paris it costs 4/5 € in stores, and at max 18/20 € in restaurants!
Hi Jojosun,
Going back to November of 2009, is quite a large bit of time in a strip club with a high rate of dancer turn over like Rio. If it's a blonde girl who was extremely pretty and awesome body that you are rembering, there are two names that come to mind. Both were my pleasure to meet at the end of 2010 and beginning of 2011. The first was named Taya. She wAs tall, blonde and awesome looking, like a cover girl model type. She spoke some English though. The second girl I thought of from those times was named Rosa, who had dirty blonde colored hair, a very good body and sexy way of dancing, and a particularly beautiful, finely featured face. She too spoke some English though. Both these girls no longer work at Rio for quite some time. Since they spoke a little English, I'm not sure if either of these were your fantasy girl of November 2009. I hadn't started going to Rio at that time yet, and was still happy with the offerings of River Palace and top-modals. Com at the time. And when I started going to Rio at the end of 2010, I too only took interest in girls who spoke English.
LJHi Lj.
The beautiful very tall girl was like a "Cover Girl" and sounds like Taya the first girl you refer to. But the weird thing is, she came over to my table and the first thing she said "Only Russian ", and when I replied "No Problem " she just walked away.
Perhaps got her lost in her translation of what I said which was without a cumma after No, and without a Droll after the No, dunno.
Maybe it was an excuse or something, like the other tall brunette telling me "maybe at 5 am".
Now you tell me some girls tell you "Its their Period " as an excuse.
It doesn't bother me at all, as I have no intention of taking out a girl from there. .
I say it again, Rio does have a nicer atmosphere than the other strip clubs in Kiev and no hassle there to buy Private Dances or drinks.
anybody know anything about the speed dating invitations that occasionally pop on mamba? anything positive to be had? any inherent scams?
YellowPaul
09-21-12, 13:59
I'm here right now, thanks to a fellow monger who I been hanging out with I have able to down bargain to $200 US for 6-7 quality girl from Mamba for a full day and night. Last night D'Lux was not too busy but there some real stunners asking for too much money. I will post a full report when I return but if anybody wants to meet up let me know as I leave on Tuesday.
anybody know anything about the speed dating invitations that occasionally pop on mamba? anything positive to be had? any inherent scams?.
i posted on this some time ago.
here it is, albeit nearly 3 years ago, but i don't think much has changed since then.
here is the article in full straight from the horse's mouth in kiev post.
"speed dating and agencies help find your perfect match.
oct. 8,2009, 8:41 pm | about kyiv — by alexandra matoshko.
in a big and friendly city like kyiv, meeting members of the opposite sex should be easy. however, for those who spend their days in offices and the weekends in noisy bars, finding the right partner is not always that simple. people are often too shy to make the first step. or they fear being rejected. and if locals face such difficulties, it's even more complicated for 'expats, ' the foreign expatriates still getting to know the city, many without benefit of speaking either russian or ukrainian well.
these language and cultural barriers add another layer of misunderstanding between the sexes. luckily, in modern-day ukraine, there are many ways of finding a date or a partner. but all require some degree of boldness.
in one way or the other, you have to 'put yourself out there. '
speed dating.
a popular matchmaking method for busy working people in the west for 10 years now, speed dating is finally coming to ukraine. it was invented by rabbi yaacov deyo of aish hatorah (jewish orthodox ashkenazi organization) in california in 1998 as a way for jewish singles to meet and marry. but speed dating quickly became fashionable.
it involves a gathering with an equal number of men and women registered for an event. they meet each other through short conversations and rotate among the tables. dates last up to 10 minutes before the organizer signals it's time to swap tables. the organizers also provide the contacts among interested parties, if a promising match emerges.
speed dating is also a good business, since the company setting up the event charges participants for registration. thus far, however, speed dating has not really taken off in kyiv.
the latest attempt is 2play (2play. net. ua) project holding speed dating parties at barsky (2/5 chervonoarmiyska, arena entertainment complex. 7th floor ). targeting busy working people, the company offers weekly events – mostly on fridays or weekends, for the price of hr 200 per person. at the end, participants inform the organizers of their preferences and e-mails are sent to likely matches. the meetings are regulated by age range, currently 25-to-40 years old. since the majority of participants are supposed to be successful career men and women, many speak at least some english. and to ensure only the right kind of people are allowed to participate, the registered candidates are required to meet with the 2play representative before the event. next speed dating parties at barsky are scheduled for oct. 10 and oct. 23. to register, write to 2startsmart@gmail.com or call 38068-128-2398.
another speed dating service is offered by bonapart company (sd. bonaparte. com. ua.). here the rules are similar: up to 10 men and 10 women take part, and each date lasts for seven minutes. to participate in their activities, you need to fill out the online form and wait to be contacted by organizers. bonapart doesn't offer pre-scheduled events, but holds one when there are enough men and women willing to participate. the only way to find out is to register and wait. the admission to the event is hr 150. for details, call 38095-842-1290.
pro matchmakers.
everyone who ever tried looking for dates online knows what a tricky business it is. in their profiles, people only share the info they want to share. and, only your intuition can tell you if everything they say, as well as their photographs, are real or fake. for this reason, people seriously looking for a partner use websites run by professionals (or so they call themselves) , who do checkups on people and help the customer connect to a promising partner. of course, you'll usually have to pay for this luxury.
unfortunately, such dating services in ukraine are rather one-sided. dating clubs and marriage agencies mainly target foreign men looking for ukrainian women, not the other way around. and the choice of such services is rather immense, so here are just a few colorful examples of what kind of websites there are.
love lab (www.lovelab.com.ua) is ran by an individual who calls himself andre moneylove – a photographer, businessman and certainly a profound personality, judging by the life interests he lists on his facebook profile: women, money, success. his website is designed as a western-type dating site and is done entirely in english, though the registration form is available in three languages – english, french and russian. gentlemen have to pay to view letters from the ladies of their choice ($1-2 per letter) , through a system of prepaid credits. love lab also organizes special parties for men to meet kyiv girls and coaches foreign men in how to behave with mysterious slavic women.
interdating club (interdating. ua) defines itself as an elite dating agency. one look at the prices shows why. after viewing the website catalogue of women – most pictures are taken by professional photographers in a studio and heavily photo-shopped – you can sign up for a $200 'evaluation program. ' at this time, your introduction letter and photos will be sent to the ladies of your choice. you can also pick a 'romantic introduction tour' of kyiv or other cities in ukraine ($500 to be paid in addition to 'evaluation program'). but if you're ready to spend big and prefer the most individual approach possible, you can use the 'headhunting' program for $1, 500. in this case, the company's matchmakers will offer you a selection of women, consult you and help organize meetings with them. if one such trip won't be sufficient to find your special lady, additional romantic trips will only cost you $500 apiece.
www.russia-ukraine-travel.com/kiev-dating.html is not a dating site, but offers useful tips on how to look for women on local dating websites and fill out registration forms, even if they are entirely in russian.
finally, if you don't trust agencies run by ukrainians or russians, try kiev connections (www.kievconenctions.com) managed by american brett ousley. having launched his matchmaking business in 2002, ousley promises to introduce you to great women and not scam you like 'other agencies do. ' with kiev connections, a man sends an e-mail letter (no more than 1, 000 words in size) and photograph to the agency. the photo is printed and the letter is translated and delivered to a woman – all for $12 per letter. it works both ways. the lady's reply will be translated and forwarded to you at the same cost. also you'll need to open an account of $120 or $60 credit just to get started. why they insist on sending letters to women by regular mail instead of e-mail is a mystery.
just mingle.
finally if you're bold enough to meet people on your own – which is certainly a good idea – but only worried about the language barrier, just try to hang out in places popular among ex-pats and english speaking locals. those include: irish pubs o'brien's (17-a mykhaylivska. 279-1584) and golden gate pub (15 zolotovoritska. 235-5188) ; nightclubs arena (2-a basseyna. 492-0000) .112 (5 chervonoarmiyska. 230-9632) , buddha bar (14 khreshchatyk. 270-7676) and eric's friends club (1-a uritskoho, butterfly ultramarine) ; latino dancing carribean club (4 kominterna. 288-1290) ; bierstube pub (20 chervonoarmiyska. 235-9472) ; restaurants arizona bbq (25 naberezhno-khreshchatytska. 425-2438) , napule (9 mechnikova. 461-9263) , soho (82 artema. 484-0351) and ciro's pomodoro (12 rustaveli. 221-4545) ; gloria jean's coffees (34 chervonoarmiyska) ; live music clubs 44 (4b khreshchatyk. 279-4137) and docker's abc (15 khreshchatyk. 278-1717) ; underground youth club khlib (12 frunze) and other places."
the moral of all this, is just go there and mingle in the right places.
anybody know anything about the speed dating invitations that occasionally pop on mamba? anything positive to be had? any inherent scams?there is a "dating tool" on mamba, that is a place organized as a calendar and by city, and where girls look for coffee, dining or clubbing dates (and where men offer coffee, dining or clubbing dates for that matter). something like a 'little or no obligation' way of meeting strangers of the opposite sex for a little reconnoitring with a view to future fun.
http://love.mail.ru/placecard/
Thanks JoJo, did not expect such detail.
Hi Lj.
The beautiful very tall girl was like a "Cover Girl" and sounds like Taya the first girl you refer to. But the weird thing is, she came over to my table and the first thing she said "Only Russian ", and when I replied "No Problem " she just walked away.
Perhaps got her lost in her translation of what I said which was without a cumma after No, and without a Droll after the No, dunno.
Maybe it was an excuse or something, like the other tall brunette telling me "maybe at 5 am".
Now you tell me some girls tell you "Its their Period " as an excuse.
It doesn't bother me at all, as I have no intention of taking out a girl from there. .
I say it again, Rio does have a nicer atmosphere than the other strip clubs in Kiev and no hassle there to buy Private Dances or drinks.Can someone explain how the girls that do not let themselves be "carried out" make money at Rio? Are we to assume they all do "carry out" but decline certain customers with "period excuses".
PedroToronja
09-21-12, 20:13
Hi Lj.
The beautiful very tall girl was like a "Cover Girl" and sounds like Taya the first girl you refer to. But the weird thing is, she came over to my table and the first thing she said "Only Russian ", and when I replied "No Problem " she just walked away.
Perhaps got her lost in her translation of what I said which was without a cumma after No, and without a Droll after the No, dunno.
Maybe it was an excuse or something, like the other tall brunette telling me "maybe at 5 am".
Now you tell me some girls tell you "Its their Period " as an excuse.
It doesn't bother me at all, as I have no intention of taking out a girl from there. .
I say it again, Rio does have a nicer atmosphere than the other strip clubs in Kiev and no hassle there to buy Private Dances or drinks.As much as I want to get into the panties of every gorgeous girl in the planet (Venus is next, obviously!) I personally do keep some red-lines: the girl has to be over 18 and has to consent. Even when I pay them, they agree to the deal, so for me that is legit. If the girl says no, getting her hammered or pushing because they are afraid of the bouncers or managers in the club (losing their jobs, whatever) , I don't push. If the girl says no, it may break my heart and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off to no end, but (call me whatever you want) , if they say no, it does mean no. I feel bad for girls that may hypothetically be working as strippers to make ends meet, they don't want to become full-blown prostitutes, and one pushes them into it. I don't want that in my consciousness. If they say no, they have period, whatever, it is their decision and their right, and I go try my luck elsewhere. I hope this makes sense.
Thanks JoJo, did not expect such detail.The Beauties and the gems are sometimes in the evidenced condensed details.
One such find for me was in O'Brien the Irish Pub. Which was in the details posted.
Next time I will base my posts on Hear, Say.
Can someone explain how the girls that do not let themselves be "carried out" make money at Rio? Are we to assume they all do "carry out" but decline certain customers with "period excuses".They must make more money doing Private Dances in Rio?
Hi Lj.
The beautiful very tall girl was like a "Cover Girl" and sounds like Taya the first girl you refer to. But the weird thing is, she came over to my table and the first thing she said "Only Russian ", and when I replied "No Problem " she just walked away.
It doesn't bother me at all, as I have no intention of taking out a girl from there. .
I say it again, Rio does have a nicer atmosphere than the other strip clubs in Kiev and no hassle there to buy Private Dances or drinks.Any similar girls to her currently dancing in Rio?
Never say never in Mongering.
If Taya didn't walk away (misunderstood me?) she was one Girl I would have gladly taken her out forThe US300 Required Donation.
PedroToronja
09-22-12, 04:43
All the mamba profiles chosen are fake or salons.
No individual!
If you want student girls. Search not for nude penthouse fotos in the profile.
There is good salons though / so happy times.
If they give you the number, you can normally just google up the number.
And then see who they are in the web.Yes, I checked with Google and ALL were agencies. Very disappointing indeed. They probably only have the photo of the girl, not the girl.
Thank you for your advice.
as much as i want to get into the panties of every gorgeous girl in the planet (venus is next, obviously!) i personally do keep some red-lines: the girl has to be over 18 and has to consent. even when i pay them, they agree to the deal, so for me that is legit. if the girl says no, getting her hammered or pushing because they are afraid of the bouncers or managers in the club (losing their jobs, whatever) , i don't push. if the girl says no, it may break my heart and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off to no end, but (call me whatever you want) , if they say no, it does mean no. i feel bad for girls that may hypothetically be working as strippers to make ends meet, they don't want to become full-blown prostitutes, and one pushes them into it. i don't want that in my consciousness. if they say no, they have period, whatever, it is their decision and their right, and i go try my luck elsewhere. i hope this makes sense.i think what pedro says does make sense, in a situation where there are reasonable grounds to suspect any element of coercion of the girls to do something they really do not want to do.
however, in the circumstances pertaining to the situation i described in rio about a few girls saying an excuse to not go out because they had their periods, or in the situation described by jojosun, also at rio strip club, there are certainly no indications of any coercion pertaining to the girls going on dates out of the club with customers.
anyone who has experience at that club knows that it has many girls who are dancer only, and only those girls that want to go out on dates and earn the extra income associated with escorting the customers, are doing so. in addition, i can relate to you, that a number of girls had in the past said they could go out with me from the club, but only to a nightclub or other public place, and not to my apartment. it was their way of saying not to expect more than a normal date. the girls have choice. there is no coercion such as what pedro suggested that the girls "are afraid of the bouncers or managers in the club (losing their jobs, whatever)" so they will go out with you even if they don't really want to. there is no indication that any of the girls are required to go out with customers if they don't want to. enough of the girls tell you "dancing only," or simply say "no", to allay any such concerns about coercion.
that being said, i think the basic premise of the slogan,"when a girl says no, it means no" is being misapplied. this slogan is properly applied to unwanted touching of a woman and physical contact with her, which all will agree is improper if it is not consensual.
but applying the slogan "when a woman says "no", it means no" to a man's verbal speech, and his efforts to woo and romance a woman, and plead his cause to her, is a misapplication, which runs counter to all notions of romance and the historic role of the man to chase after the woman he desires. as long as the woman's participation in the conversation is consensual, and he is not harassing her in an unwanted way, it is not only desirable but actually expected of the man, to use his speech and his charms to entreat the object of his desire, that she be his to have and to hold. how much of great literature would the human race be bereft of, were this not the case. for the female of the species rarely says "yes" up front, and she requires that the man make great effort to "win" her attentions.
so i say that as long as a dancer is sitting at your table with you, and she is free to leave at any time she wishes, but she stays with you because she wants to and the conversation is flowing, and she is entertained by your company and is laughing at your witticisms, and you feel there is good chemistry developing, you should feel free to try to speak to her in such a way as to charm her, and get her to like you more, and if she made some excuse before about why she couldn't go out, she may yet change her mind, as any woman might, freely and with no coercion, and purely as a result of the kind of feeling she has for you. she may have begun to feel more at ease with you and comfortable with you and with the idea of a date with you, as you continue to spend more time with her, and your "game" draws her naturally toward you. this is just as it might be in an interaction in any nightclub between a guy trying to woo a girl he met there. the girl is free to make the choice, and the guy is free to keep trying to interest her with whatever he has, good conversation, humor, drinks, fun, etc, whatever he has at his disposal in the game of romance. she is either buying it, if there is chemistry, and they may end up together at some point, or if there isn't enough chemistry, she won't go with him. but he can and should keep trying as long as she continues to show interest. by staying with him and continuing to talk with him. it applies in a nightclub, as well as in rio strip club. in both cases, if she is really not interested, she can walk away.
my two cents.
lj
They must make more money doing Private Dances in Rio?I have often wondered about the economics at play at Rio. For example, I assumed that the girls get a basic salary to dance, because how else would the "dancer only" girls make money. Now recently a Rio girl told me that they get no salary, and they only earn money from their tips or private dances. On the other hand, many times when I was sitting with a girl at my table and talking, the girl will be told that she has to go to do her turn dancing on stage per the rotation that evening. I was given to understand by one of the managers that if I wanted her to stay with me and not get up to go do a stage dance, that I could give her 100 UAH, and this would exempt her from dancing that turn on stage. So I did that and the girl goes backstage with the 100 UAH and returns to sit with me instead of dancing her turn on stage. So what is happening with the 100 UAH backstage? Is the girl keeping it for herself? Is she giving it to the house for being exempt from dancing? Don't know. But it seems it shows there is a value associated with each turn dancing on stage. Obviously, the rewards a girl receives for going out are lucrative lures to do that work. Girls have begun dancing at the club and when they were new at it, they were dancer only, and after some time passed, they started to go out. Others stayed dancer only despite the allure of the extra cash. I think every presentable guy has a chance with those girls that are doing take out, and it depends on the chemistry. It has not been my impression that a girl suddenly becomes dancer only when she meets a guy she doesn't care for. A girl who does take out doesn't need to lie and say she's dancer only. She can simply say she's busy, or any other reason she wants to say, for not going out. It's her choice if she wants to go out or not with each particular client. That's why making an effort to be well groomed and charming is important in developing good chemistry and getting a take out date. There may be other factors at play, hitherto unknown to me, as I experienced when girls that definitely liked me, told me they can't go out because they had their period. It was too much of a coincidence after three girls said it. So I think something else was going down. I remember a time in the past that I reported about, when suddenly all the girls were saying that Saturday night, private dances only. It was frustrating. Management didn't bother to explain it to me. They did offer me a free taxi ride over to their sister club, Paradise. I found out later that it had been because LE was in the club that night.
LJ
Yes, I checked with Google and ALL were agencies. Very disappointing indeed. They probably only have the photo of the girl, not the girl.
Thank you for your advice.Do escorts agencies use Mamba to market? Yes, I understand that 90% of p4p on Mamba comes from salons. I am just wondering if somebody runs a group of girls strictly through the internet without a home base such as a salon. It seems to me that escort agencies could not operate based on $100 an hour standard.
Why do I ask? I am not comfortable using salon girls in Kiev.
Do escorts agencies use Mamba to market? Yes, I understand that 90% of p4p on Mamba comes from salons. I am just wondering if somebody runs a group of girls strictly through the internet without a home base such as a salon. It seems to me that escort agencies could not operate based on $100 an hour standard.
Why do I ask? I am not comfortable using salon girls in Kiev.The answer is Yes. There are escort agencies without a Salon.
You don't like details, Right?
Do escorts agencies use Mamba to market? Yes, I understand that 90% of p4p on Mamba comes from salons. I am just wondering if somebody runs a group of girls strictly through the internet without a home base such as a salon. It seems to me that escort agencies could not operate based on $100 an hour standard.
Why do I ask? I am not comfortable using salon girls in Kiev.Short answer. An English speaking girl mans the phone, does the bookings, sends the girls on bookings, gets her cut at the end of the day. It could be a group of friends.
One such girl was Marina. Its also safer for them.
If you ask her whether you can see the girl at her apartment? If the answer is No, then its not a Salon.
Thanks JoJo, did not expect such detail.Yep. LOL, been influenced by Liljoey's posts minus his great erotic writing and Typing Skills.
AColonizer
09-22-12, 15:35
Hello,
I am looking for young girls available for deep fistings: who can suggest some tested young girls for deep fistings?
Thanks for help.
Hello,
I am looking for young girls available for deep fistings: who can suggest some tested young girls for deep fistings?
Thanks for help.It's been my experience in Kiev that the pretty ones do not want even a finger stuck up there vagina. Happy to see you post again AC.
I have often wondered about the economics at play at Rio. For example, I assumed that the girls get a basic salary to dance, because how else would the "dancer only" girls make money. Now recently a Rio girl told me that they get no salary, and they only earn money from their tips or private dances. On the other hand, many times when I was sitting with a girl at my table and talking, the girl will be told that she has to go to do her turn dancing on stage per the rotation that evening. I was given to understand by one of the managers that if I wanted her to stay with me and not get up to go do a stage dance, that I could give her 100 UAH, and this would exempt her from dancing that turn on stage. So I did that and the girl goes backstage with the 100 UAH and returns to sit with me instead of dancing her turn on stage. So what is happening with the 100 UAH backstage? Is the girl keeping it for herself? Is she giving it to the house for being exempt from dancing? Don't know. But it seems it shows there is a value associated with each turn dancing on stage.
LJAll of the girls dancing at Lap Dance clubs in London are self employed and they pay the club for the allocated time to dance there.
That's why one gets a hassle from them to buy private dances for £20, but not for drinks.
I don't how it works at Rio, but I imagine they must get a basic salary plus a cut from private dances.
Short answer. An English speaking girl mans the phone, does the bookings, sends the girls on bookings, gets her cut at the end of the day. It could be a group of friends.
One such girl was Marina. Its also safer for them.
If you ask her whether you can see the girl at her apartment? If the answer is No, then its not a Salon.Its also much cheaper than running a Salon.
Hance their prices are often cheaper than salon girls.
CityHunter77
09-23-12, 00:28
Hello,
I am looking for young girls available for deep fistings: who can suggest some tested young girls for deep fistings?
Thanks for help.AC.
Try relaxportal. Biz.
You can find everything there
AColonizer
09-23-12, 00:29
Because you believe everything that women say, ah ah ah.
In March I had an 18 engaged in fisting and pissing and very honest too. Unfortunately they last some months and disappear.
It's been my experience in Kiev that the pretty ones do not want even a finger stuck up there vagina. Happy to see you post again AC.
Have any of you guys try this girl from GIA, here is the link http://gia-escort.com/girl/elena7
Would have been very handy if anyone could give a report on her GFE skills.
Any similar girls to her currently dancing in Rio?
Never say never in Mongering.
If Taya didn't walk away (misunderstood me?) she was one Girl I would have gladly taken her out forThe US300 Required Donation.Jojo, after reading your story again, I wonder if, after she said "only Russian", if your reply had been "charasho" or some other Russian word or phrase, whether the result would have been different? Or whether history might have taken a different course?
Have any of you guys try this girl from GIA, here is the link.
http://gia-escort.com/girl/elena7
Would have been very handy if anyone could give a report on her GFE skills.She looks to be a very pretty girl with a good body and all the goodies on her menu, but are you looking at her prices? She wants $300 for the ONE hour date, and it only goes up from there. Yet on the other hand, a guarantee of good GFE services is worth a premium of some additional money over the kind of rate more usual in Kiev of $100 / hour. But how much more? If you are considering girls with such rates as $300 / hour (230 Euro / hour) , then that opens up for you the entire high end of Kiev's internet escort scene (the websites you will come to if you search "escort Kiev" on Google) which have 1 hour prices like 150 Euro or 200 Euro. Maybe for that kind of money, they look like their pictures and provide GFE services? No one has ever reported on those high priced websites charging rates more common in Western Europe than in Kiev. If you do experiment with those agencies, please report on it.
LJ
Hectorgonz
09-23-12, 10:08
AC.
Try relaxportal. Biz.
You can find everything thereI would be interested to know of any experiences you guys have with the girls at relaxportal.
Hectorgonz
09-23-12, 19:27
Because you believe everything that women say, ah ah ah.
In March I had an 18 engaged in fisting and pissing and very honest too. Unfortunately they last some months and disappear.AC, have you found many girls in the past who engaged in fisting and pissing? It seems quite a few girls advertise that they are willing to engage in the more kinky activities.
I'm curious, when I sometimes see a list of services a girl will provide, and it says it includes vaginal fisting, does that usually mean they will allow you to fist them, or they will fist you, or both?
Have any of you guys try this girl from GIA, here is the link.
http://gia-escort.com/girl/elena7
Would have been very handy if anyone could give a report on her GFE skills.I can not see any value in Gia. If you look at the profiles of most girls, they are above college age. The ones that are college age, look like village girls. This venue is clearly not student friendly in its employment.
I can not see any value in Gia. If you look at the profiles of most girls, they are above college age. The ones that are college age, look like village girls. This venue is clearly not student friendly in its employment.Some like cheap uni girls from villages and some enjoy classy women, having nice conversation, food and wine. Nothing wrong in that. Value is depended on needs, yes individual needs. I will not argue about GIA girls since its not my main aim when I am in Kiev, to much normal girls to catch. So I am not a regular client. But I really don't see any seance in your answer mister, just personal option of what you see as a good service.
Take care
She looks to be a very pretty girl with a good body and all the goodies on her menu, but are you looking at her prices? She wants $300 for the ONE hour date, and it only goes up from there. Yet on the other hand, a guarantee of good GFE services is worth a premium of some additional money over the kind of rate more usual in Kiev of $100 / hour. But how much more? If you are considering girls with such rates as $300 / hour (230 Euro / hour) , then that opens up for you the entire high end of Kiev's internet escort scene (the websites you will come to if you search "escort Kiev" on Google) which have 1 hour prices like 150 Euro or 200 Euro. Maybe for that kind of money, they look like their pictures and provide GFE services? No one has ever reported on those high priced websites charging rates more common in Western Europe than in Kiev. If you do experiment with those agencies, please report on it.
LJYes LilJoey I have a gf in Kiev and five dates arranged when I come. I can't help my self but I still think of escorts, guess its a curse. I don't get anything from mechanical sex, putting on condom and doing the deed. I value classy true GFE and that is what I expect from a girl I pay for having sex with me. Thats why I am willing to pay the price. I have booked this girl for few hours session, will do a report of her performance when back from Kiev.
Jojo, after reading your story again, I wonder if, after she said "only Russian", if your reply had been "charasho" or some other Russian word or phrase, whether the result would have been different? Or whether history might have taken a different course?My 3 Russian words in Nov09. Were the, Neyt, Spasibo.
And it was during the epidmy as they called the Swine Flu then.
Maybe this explains her excuse at the time.
What I missed out at Rio then, I made it up at River Palace at prices unheard of before.
Showed the RP girls my Swine Flu Jab certificate translated to Russian. Guess they wanted to reward me for my bravery in flying my ass on a nearly empty plane to Kiev and disregarding offical travel warnings at the time.
If only (The Epidemy) lasted a bit longer.
Yes LilJoey I have a gf in Kiev and five dates arranged when I come.Without being controversial, but don't you guys are bored to deal with constant arranged dates? I mean, what about unexpected adventures, drunk sluts fucked in the bars toilets, unforseen one night stands, booze-fuelled nights with inebriated dyevushki met in clubs, ect? When I read the Kiev thread and all this uninspiring stories about Rio, escorts, mamba piranhas, ect, it seems that it is nor the FSU that I know, and nor the FSU that I love.
I'm on mamba, chatting with a lot of nice girls and women from Kiev.
But I've found few wg or prof.
If you know how to find escort on mamba please tell me.
I've looked at relaxportal too. Every girl is a topmodel and prices are cheap.
But I've seen a lot of sites like this and I got a lot of doubts.
I tried google on a phone number, just like an experiment:
This 20 why old dark angel from relaxp.
http://relaxportal.biz/eng/prostitutki-kieva/4850/
Got the same number of this 25y blonde skinny girl.
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6308
And some other add on relaxp have the same number.
That would be the nineties my friend. Moscow, Kiev, all so civilized nowadays.Moscow is still the world capital of the drunk club sluts. Why Kiev would be so different?
My 3 Russian words in Nov09. Were the, Neyt, Spasibo.
And it was during the epidmy as they called the Swine Flu then.
Maybe this explains her excuse at the time.
What I missed out at Rio then, I made it up at River Palace at prices unheard of before.
Showed the RP girls my Swine Flu Jab certificate translated to Russian. Guess they wanted to reward me for my bravery in flying my ass on a nearly empty plane to Kiev and disregarding offical travel warnings at the time.
If only (The Epidemy) lasted a bit longer.I typed (Yes) in Russian as the first word, but it got posted as (the)
Hectorgonz
09-24-12, 16:22
Without being controversial, but don't you guys are bored to deal with constant arranged dates? I mean, what about unexpected adventures, drunk sluts fucked in the bars toilets, unforseen one night stands, booze-fuelled nights with inebriated dyevushki met in clubs, ect? When I read the Kiev thread and all this uninspiring stories about Rio, escorts, mamba piranhas, ect, it seems that it is nor the FSU that I know, and nor the FSU that I love.Good question. I think everyone here wants to do that, or at least have that option, but my guess is most guys here are not intending to plant seeds and think too far ahead, simply preferring guaranteed satisfaction without the hassle and uncertainty. Most guys are there for only a few days so they want to cut to the chase.
To embark on an unexpected adventure and score would imply one has to have 'game' and be somewhat intimate with the city. Game meaning knowing how to dress (club bouncers seemed to take particular interest in the shoes people were wearing) , knowing which girl (s) you can approach and being able to strike up and hold a conversation. The language barrier can be a daunting task itself to overcome and having zero Russian / Ukrainian language skills would probably not stack the odds in your favour. Knowing which bars and clubs to go to would be useful knowledge as as well, as I found out that certain joints have a higher concentration of WGs than others.
I'm definitely interested in scratching beneath the surface and go beyond arranged dates and encounters with pros and semi-pros, so anyone with specific advice and knowledge please chime in.
DoctorOral
09-24-12, 17:17
Really I do miss taht.
But there is so much good delivered to your doorstep.
Sometimes it is hard to convince obeself.
So where does the toilet throatuck happen?
UOTE=Prosal; 1330553]Without being controversial, but don't you guys are bored to deal with constant arranged dates? I mean, what about unexpected adventures, drunk sluts fucked in the bars toilets, unforseen one night stands, booze-fuelled nights with inebriated dyevushki met in clubs, ect? When I read the Kiev thread and all this uninspiring stories about Rio, escorts, mamba piranhas, ect, it seems that it is nor the FSU that I know, and nor the FSU that I love.[/QUOTE]
Moscow is still the world capital of the drunk club sluts. Why Kiev would be so different?Girls are reserved here in Kiev. With a dozen or so trips to D'Lux, I have yet to see a foreigner pickup a girl and leave the place together. I saw it happen once in Avalon. Maybe I just go to the wrong places.
Face control in Moscow is tough on 40 something tourists like me. If they don't let me in, how am I suppose to get a blowjob in the toilet? (smiley)
YellowPaul
09-24-12, 19:15
Girls are reserved here in Kiev. With a dozen or so trips to D'Lux, I have yet to see a foreigner pickup a girl and leave the place together. I saw it happen once in Avalon. Maybe I just go to the wrong places.I was D'Lux twice last week Thurs & Sat. Weekends most of the girls it seemed it they were more local regular girls having fun and fewer "working girls" then the week day. Also on Sat the working girls definitely a notch or two below some of the stunning super model types who were their with BF's or just having having fun with their friends. I find it's just like Vegas you might need to get a table and bottle service if you want to attract some of the better looking ones and dress to impress. Add the taxis, cover, booze the costs can add up not counting $200- $400 to the girl. Another thing since it really doesn't get busy til at 11-12 so it can be a late night. Next time in Kiev I would try avoid clubs and try to build more contacts first and leave it as a last resort.
Dante is another hi end club in Kiev. Having a table helps and if you are by yourself it will cost a lot. Then you invite girls over to your table for drinks
Same with me, uploaded fake photos until one stuck, and there it is.I guess is not allowed phone numbers and the risk is to block the account? Is this correct?
Dear Cruiser, when I travel to Kiev, I experienced controls of my baggages and questions about the present I bring there. Is this a normal procedure for other members here? Of course I manage these controls paying USD 20 or 50 but is not nice because is time consuming and my contacts are waiting for meIn my last 2 trips after Euro Football it seems a big improvement in this issue and no more these experiences in Kiev's airport. Regarding other airports sorry no experiences
I was D'Lux twice last week Thurs & Sat. Weekends most of the girls it seemed it they were more local regular girls having fun and fewer "working girls" then the week day. Also on Sat the working girls definitely a notch or two below some of the stunning super model types who were their with BF's or just having having fun with their friends. I find it's just like Vegas you might need to get a table and bottle service if you want to attract some of the better looking ones and dress to impress. Add the taxis, cover, booze the costs can add up not counting $200- $400 to the girl. Another thing since it really doesn't get busy til at 11-12 so it can be a late night. Next time in Kiev I would try avoid clubs and try to build more contacts first and leave it as a last resort.This is not good news to hear the regular club WG scene is not so good, even at D'lux. Cruiser D you reported recently you were in Kiev. Have you been to the nightclubs this recent trip? Or Has your time been hijacked by all the girls you already have in your venerable phone Contacts list, and you didn't make it into the nightclubs this recent trip? I had the experience of spending a lot of my available time on just two mamba girls that I liked, so I can imagine what having many more girls to call on might be like. You really don't have to go anywhere. You can just summon them to your apartment one after the other, without even getting out at all. But somehow from your writings I suspect you would need the excitement of going clubbing. So if you did go out, how about telling some stories of your encounters? Can you perhaps report any pertinent observations on the current nightclub WG or semi-pro scene? Any details would be welcome. The above report doesn't sound encouraging.
LJ
Which other central / east european cities have a scene similar to Kiev? Better / worse? Specifically asking about lot of semi pros (univ students) , a site like mamba and club scene with semi pros.
I was D'Lux twice last week Thurs & Sat. Weekends most of the girls it seemed it they were more local regular girls having fun and fewer "working girls" then the week day. Also on Sat the working girls definitely a notch or two below some of the stunning super model types who were their with BF's or just having having fun with their friends. I find it's just like Vegas you might need to get a table and bottle service if you want to attract some of the better looking ones and dress to impress. Add the taxis, cover, booze the costs can add up not counting $200- $400 to the girl. Another thing since it really doesn't get busy til at 11-12 so it can be a late night. Next time in Kiev I would try avoid clubs and try to build more contacts first and leave it as a last resort.I only go to D'lux for one reason. On Friday's and Saturday's, this place draws nice girls from outside Kiev central that come to enjoy the music, dance, and show off there beauty. Yes, there are a lot of flashy ball busting b*s mixed among the crowd. But what is really amazing to see are the beautiful girls with Kmart clothes that did not get caught up in the sponsoring deal. These are the girls where I can feel the strongest chemistry. It's almost shocking how they will look and dance at me more than some good looking twenty something foreign fella. I'm almost bald now, forty something, yet my ability to present myself as a nice and secure man allows me to attract girls here in Kiev.
YellowPaul
09-25-12, 09:51
I only go to D'lux for one reason. On Friday's and Saturday's, this place draws nice girls from outside Kiev central that come to enjoy the music, dance, and show off there beauty. Yes, there are a lot of flashy ball busting b*s mixed among the crowd. But what is really amazing to see are the beautiful girls with Kmart clothes that did not get caught up in the sponsoring deal. These are the girls where I can feel the strongest chemistry. It's almost shocking how they will look and dance at me more than some good looking twenty something foreign fella. I'm almost bald now, forty something, yet my ability to present myself as a nice and secure man allows me to attract girls here in Kiev.Hey I'm like you early 40's and just average looking and losing my hair. I saw the "Kmart" girls you are talking but I guess I was a little disppointed because I didn't fly 10 hours from Canada for that. Thursday was better as I split bottle service costs with 2 other newbies and we got a prime table right in front of the dance floor. Me and another guy brought guy brought girls with us to the club that night but I got a few numbers but they failed to respond to some day time action. We also went to Skybar on Friday night which had some better girls there. Mamba can very hit or miss as the girls can busy for days even after a great GFE. I had awesome night with a 20 year but who was at least 10-15 pounds heavier then her Mamba pic's. I will post a full review when I return and get time.
Yes,
It has been a while since I saw a decent report about pulling freebies in Kiev. With all the talk about that shithole Rio and the Princesses in D'Lux, it would be natural to assume that no one scores here any more. Fortunately that's just not the case.
Here's what you need.
1. The right plan. If you're going to a club, get a table. Invite girls to join you, if they are boring or suggest money, throw them off and get some more.
2. Pretend to have game, even if you don't. It's the guy who does the pulling. 100 times more so in the FSU.
3. Don't lose focus. None of this "haven't decided yet" crap. If you fancy a girl and she gives you a glimmer of a response. Go in for the kill. No prisoners.
4. Dress to impress but within your comfort zone. I wear jeans and t-Shirts and don't own a suit. My black and white Casio watch works just fine.
5. Don't get drunk. We all do but your chances plummet.
6. Use mamba to suit your own purposes. Save time by posting your photo on the top line saying "looking for a fun chick to party with tonight". Bring her along until you close with her or find better.
Got to go
AColonizer
09-25-12, 11:54
The one only rule that people should know here is: because you believe everything what girls say to you. A real man has no limits. The rest of the mass are just losers pretending to be something. But this is the story as ancient as the humanity.
I can't explain again and again and again what was already said millions times: the worst blind is who doesn't want to see what he has in front of his eyes. What is still happening now, after years and years and years of reports: masters are seldom and they sometimes wrote experiences, the mass don't want to understand masters' experiences and they are still wrong with the reality, the mass are wrong with girls, the mass are wrong with sex, the mass are wrong with marriage (Pay4Children) , the mass are wrong with prostitutes (Pay4Sex) , the mass think sex is vaginal sex only, the mass pay 4 times the honest price for vaginal sex and they are happy, and prostitutes are happier than them, and pimps are happier than them.
I had the unique schooling by one of the best prostitutes in the world, just 19 years-old, and she exclaimed, sadly a long time ago: if I am a customer, rather to pay my last 30 euros for a stunning girl like me, I would masturbate myself. This is the difference between female mindset and male mindset. This is the difference between a master of his own doom and the rest of the mass forgotten into the night of oblivion. But this is the story as ancient as the humanity.
AC, have you found many girls in the past who engaged in fisting and pissing? It seems quite a few girls advertise that they are willing to engage in the more kinky activities.
I'm curious, when I sometimes see a list of services a girl will provide, and it says it includes vaginal fisting, does that usually mean they will allow you to fist them, or they will fist you, or both?
I guess if you want super easy sleasy women mamba, net, and Rio works.
But in reality no, I was at shooters last night, met up with english speaking guys there and had fun, it was filled with beautiful women, dancing on everything but the ceiling.
I guess I'm still a young guy so women is really easy for me, the language issue is just a new thing to get used to. There is a guy bartender at shooters who looks 16-18 hes a little pimp, he will tell you everything about the women. And even help you out. He saved me time, told me not to mess with specific women in the club because they do not like americans, don't know a single english word, are sleezy.
Anyway moral concept from what I gather.
Ask yourself why do Kiev or ukraine women like foreigners, expessially americans?
Stability security better life chance to have nice family. The never ending list.
Anyway just break the ice with a woman, buy here a drink accross the table or go dance with one, try communicating, make them feel special. Don't be entirely upfront.
ALWAYS INTRODUCE YOURSELF I got let down a lot because I wasnt introducing myself when I asked for their names.
Menhya-Zavut (your name)
Kak-vas-Zavut (asks their name)
Anyways yes, and Rio I was told by taxi girls take home for 100 USD no problem during late hours.
Yes,
It has been a while since I saw a decent report about pulling freebies in Kiev. With all the talk about that shithole Rio and the Princesses in D'Lux, it would be natural to assume that no one scores here any more. Fortunately that's just not the case.
Here's what you need.
1. The right plan. If you're going to a club, get a table. Invite girls to join you, if they are boring or suggest money, throw them off and get some more.
2. Pretend to have game, even if you don't. It's the guy who does the pulling. 100 times more so in the FSU.
3. Don't lose focus. None of this "haven't decided yet" crap. If you fancy a girl and she gives you a glimmer of a response. Go in for the kill. No prisoners.
4. Dress to impress but within your comfort zone. I wear jeans and t-Shirts and don't own a suit. My black and white Casio watch works just fine.
5. Don't get drunk. We all do but your chances plummet.
6. Use mamba to suit your own purposes. Save time by posting your photo on the top line saying "looking for a fun chick to party with tonight". Bring her along until you close with her or find better.
Got to goAbsolutely agree with that. The most difficult part being (for me, smilie) nonetheless "don't get drunk". That said, from my experience, it is still possible to drink a lot IF it's with a girl that is also drinking. And preferably one that you have met before. A drunken fuck can be a great thing.
As for point number 4, totally agree on that too, jeans can be worn without problems. I also always wear jeans, but that look fashionable. Diesel is in this respect the best IMO. It is an expensive brand (some 200€ to 250€ in Europe, and more expensive in FSU) , and most girls know that it's top jeans. A pair of raggedy Wranglers or 501 will make you stand out like a sore thumb. As a side note, a pair of Diesel is a great gift to do to one of your favorites.
Hi,
Does any one know where to buy viagra or something equal in Kiev or Odessa?
DoctorOral
09-25-12, 15:53
Viagra in Kiev comes in packs of two usually.
Viagra is served on high heels with blonde, brown or black topping.
In the process of intake, Viagra usually presents itself naked in bed.
Or cumcovered in the toilet of a dirty bar!
If Viagra (ukr version) is not strong enough for you. You got to be in serious shit!
(for serious help, search the forum, it has ALL been said!)
Hi,
Does any one know where to buy viagra or something equal in Kiev or Odessa?
Absolutely agree with that. The most difficult part being (for me, smilie) nonetheless "don't get drunk". That said, from my experience, it is still possible to drink a lot IF it's with a girl that is also drinking. And preferably one that you have met before. A drunken fuck can be a great thing.
As for point number 4, totally agree on that too, jeans can be worn without problems. I also always wear jeans, but that look fashionable. Diesel is in this respect the best IMO. It is an expensive brand (some 200€ to 250€ in Europe, and more expensive in FSU) , and most girls know that it's top jeans. A pair of raggedy Wranglers or 501 will make you stand out like a sore thumb. As a side note, a pair of Diesel is a great gift to do to one of your favorites.Mark Jacobs jeans are nuts, last time I have seen nice Diesel jeans model was 10 years ago.
Reiner Otto
09-25-12, 16:22
1. The right plan. If you're going to a club, get a table. Invite girls to join you, if they are boring or suggest money, throw them off and get some more.This might be OK for Kiev; however, in my "provinces" I never ask for a table in a club. Standing at the bar works much better for me, because the girls, which are easily available, find me.
Usually, they simply stand besides me, sometimes they even bring their own drink, when coming from another party. Or just dance in my very front.
Invitation of girl (s) to the table quite often results in a simple, but expensive party, and then "bye, bye". Only difference in case we talk about the top class girls. They expect a table, usually. Because having some kick-back deal with the owner of the club. To make some business, even in case they don not like the potential "customer".
However, a good "bad girl" is sufficient for me.
last time I have seen nice Diesel jeans model was 10 years ago.Well, GF Tatiana in Tashkent would strongly disagree with this statement. Just say the word "Diesel" and see her legs open slightly in an uncontrolled answer. I just bought her a 240€ super skinny pair for my approaching visit by the way. They match perfectly with too high heels (smilie).
http://store.diesel.com/fr/super-skinny_cod42255779vs.html
AColonizer
09-25-12, 17:07
Oh, you talk about Diesel. I live near Diesel's headquaters and also I live in a country where unknown brands are good as much as Diesel. It is probably you are right, because it is a right marketing that makes great a product, and not instead a great product that makes good a brand. For your information, your Diesel jeans costs 8 dollars at the manifacture in Vietnam / Thailand / China and I don't think they could be very different from Levi's, Wrangler, Lee or etc. I really don't know which famous Italian fashion brands are still manifacturing in Italy with Italian fabrics and with Italian workers! Another example, scandalous is that Ferrari makes caps, t-shirts, scarfs, shoes, etc. In China and then it sells them with the slogan "designed in Italy", but they are not a piece of Italy, they are a piece of China!
The same criterion is about girls.
Absolutely agree with that. The most difficult part being (for me, smilie) nonetheless "don't get drunk". That said, from my experience, it is still possible to drink a lot IF it's with a girl that is also drinking. And preferably one that you have met before. A drunken fuck can be a great thing.
As for point number 4, totally agree on that too, jeans can be worn without problems. I also always wear jeans, but that look fashionable. Diesel is in this respect the best IMO. It is an expensive brand (some 200€ to 250€ in Europe, and more expensive in FSU) , and most girls know that it's top jeans. A pair of raggedy Wranglers or 501 will make you stand out like a sore thumb. As a side note, a pair of Diesel is a great gift to do to one of your favorites.
Hey I'm like you early 40's and just average looking and losing my hair. I saw the "Kmart" girls you are talking but I guess I was a little disppointed because I didn't fly 10 hours from Canada for that. Thursday was better as I split bottle service costs with 2 other newbies and we got a prime table right in front of the dance floor. Me and another guy brought guy brought girls with us to the club that night but I got a few numbers but they failed to respond to some day time action. We also went to Skybar on Friday night which had some better girls there. Mamba can very hit or miss as the girls can busy for days even after a great GFE. I had awesome night with a 20 year but who was at least 10-15 pounds heavier then her Mamba pic's. I will post a full review when I return and get time.I said Kmart clothes, not Kmart girls. Some are absolute stunners, inside and out. Believe or not, there are beautiful girls and I mean really beautiful, that do not have an Iphone and Diesel Jeans.
Believe or not, there are beautiful girls and I mean really beautiful, that do not have an Iphone and Diesel Jeans.Hum. You obviously making sarcasm about some of things I've said about FSU societies being class societies where WE 'd better show in which class we are in. Evidently, a girl doesn't need the latest Iphone nor 250€ jeans to be charming and attractive. But YOU'd maybe need (among other things) stylish jeans to cajole the face kontrol guys in upper-market clubs. (wink)
Face control in Moscow is tough on 40 something tourists like me.
Ask yourself why do Kiev or ukraine women like foreigners, expessially americans?
Stability security better life chance to have nice family. The never ending list.I guess you are attempting humour here. If a Russian (or Ukrainian for that matter) girl is with you only for the financial or emotional security that you are supposed to provide, it makes you a tool, a stooge, but by no means somebody she REALLY wants to have a hot fling or a passionate romance with. Sorry, but your US passport doesn't necessarily make of you a guy worth fucking. By the way, for your information, in FSU, sex-weaned yank tourists are rather a subject of disdain or mockery nowadays. And even of hate sometimes.
So where does the toilet throatuck happen?It might sounds strange, but I've had my wildest adventures with drunk club sluts in Chisinau. And not only one. A good dozen of wild and quick scores and on-site fucks, some semi-public.
YellowPaul
09-26-12, 00:40
I guess if you want super easy sleasy women mamba, net, and Rio works.
But in reality no, I was at shooters last night, met up with english speaking guys there and had fun, it was filled with beautiful women, dancing on everything but the ceiling.
I guess I'm still a young guy so women is really easy for me, the language issue is just a new thing to get used to. There is a guy bartender at shooters who looks 16-18 hes a little pimp, he will tell you everything about the women. And even help you out. He saved me time, told me not to mess with specific women in the club because they do not like americans, don't know a single english word, are sleezy.
Anyway moral concept from what I gather.
Ask yourself why do Kiev or ukraine women like foreigners, expessially americans?
Stability security better life chance to have nice family. The never ending list.
Anyway just break the ice with a woman, buy here a drink accross the table or go dance with one, try communicating, make them feel special. Don't be entirely upfront.
ALWAYS INTRODUCE YOURSELF I got let down a lot because I wasnt introducing myself when I asked for their names.
Menhya-Zavut (your name)
Kak-vas-Zavut (asks their name)
Anyways yes, and Rio I was told by taxi girls take home for 100 USD no problem during late hours.Sadly I never got to experience Shooters as I was denied entry LOL.
Member #4491
09-26-12, 01:04
Nice to see we are back on the wardrobes again. I was totally confused last time I went for shopping, due to the lack of advice of what to wear for several days. So I made it simple and just staple 100 EUR bills to cover my arms, legs, chest and back. I could fit many bills so the girls are really impressed. In fact I think everyone are impressed. So I must be a winner now, right?
Without being controversial, but don't you guys are bored to deal with constant arranged dates? I mean, what about unexpected adventures, drunk sluts fucked in the bars toilets, unforseen one night stands, booze-fuelled nights with inebriated dyevushki met in clubs, ect? When I read the Kiev thread and all this uninspiring stories about Rio, escorts, mamba piranhas, ect, it seems that it is nor the FSU that I know, and nor the FSU that I love.Yes I am sure people do that because the do not dare to be wild and crazy. In reality they are super bored. Not everyone can be wild and crazy, right?
Best for me is a mix. Arranged dates in daytime and alco induced adventures at night. But night clubs are often filled with corrupt and ego inflated idiots, that try to impress strangers. So I can can not blame people who are not attracted to the black energy vortex called night clubs.
As for mr A-fantasy-nizer. Would be great if the world was like you describe it, but men will always walk the edge to get the upper hand. If all men where cheap fisting anal fucking bastards, there would always be one prick that betray the rest and start to act all nice on the girls. Men almost always try to qualify, even if the describe themselves as hard core alpha males, all dressed up in their fancy feathers. The truth is that we all walk the slack line balancing between trying to impress and being a man that tales charge. And I must admit, it is not an easy line to balance on (unless you are in places like SE Asia).
BTW. I know a girl in Kharkov that I think would be into fisting. I got to fuck her and cum in both her ass and pussy without a condom (yes I was very stupid that day but thank god, or rather China, for rapid STD tests to calm paranoid minds).
B.
Hum. You obviously making sarcasm about some of things I've said about FSU societies being class societies where WE 'd better show in which class we are in. Evidently, a girl doesn't need the latest Iphone nor 250€ jeans to be charming and attractive. But YOU'd maybe need (among other things) stylish jeans to cajole the face kontrol guys in upper-market clubs. (wink)No sarcasm at all. Just saying there are a lot of pretty and sweet girls that can not afford the above toys. IPhones are an excellent sign that a girl is being sponsored and hardly offer any indication of social class.
Hectorgonz
09-26-12, 06:34
Absolutely agree with that. The most difficult part being (for me, smilie) nonetheless "don't get drunk". That said, from my experience, it is still possible to drink a lot IF it's with a girl that is also drinking. And preferably one that you have met before. A drunken fuck can be a great thing.
As for point number 4, totally agree on that too, jeans can be worn without problems. I also always wear jeans, but that look fashionable. Diesel is in this respect the best IMO. It is an expensive brand (some 200€ to 250€ in Europe, and more expensive in FSU) , and most girls know that it's top jeans. A pair of raggedy Wranglers or 501 will make you stand out like a sore thumb. As a side note, a pair of Diesel is a great gift to do to one of your favorites.I wear Dsquared jeans and jacket. The ladies there seem to take notice and have made favourable comments.
No sarcasm at all. Just saying there are a lot of pretty and sweet girls that can not afford the above toys. IPhones are an excellent sign that a girl is being sponsored and hardly offer any indication of social class.Of course you are right. Status accessories are not an indication of social class. Why does a girl with a modest job have a 650€ phone and 400€ shoes? Why is she sipping a mojito that cost 10% of the average monthly wage? How girls can afford this? Certainly not from their wages.
By the way, I saw sarcasm where there obviously wasn't. I guess it was a consequence of an abuse of Chardonnais (smilie) , my bad.
I guess you are attempting humour here. If a Russian (or Ukrainian for that matter) girl is with you only for the financial or emotional security that you are supposed to provide, it makes you a tool, a stooge, but by no means somebody she REALLY wants to have a hot fling or a passionate romance with.I disagree. A man can provide security to a woman without being used as a meal ticket. Most people have nothing in Ukraine. No parents to fall back on, no choice in the job market, remnants of soviet mentality that somebody should take care of them. Why would a Western guy be a stooge if he can give security to girl who in return offers companionship? Ask any dev why the defense towards foreigners, number one reply. "They won't marry you".
I disagree. A man can provide security to a woman without being used as a meal ticket. Most people have nothing in Ukraine. No parents to fall back on, no choice in the job market, remnants of soviet mentality that somebody should take care of them. Why would a Western guy be a stooge if he can give security to girl who in return offers companionship? Ask any dev why the defense towards foreigners, number one reply. "They won't marry you".I can speak only from my experience, but I find that by-and-large, the lower on the food chain the girl is, the sneakier she is. And consequently the relationship lacks of "passion" and of spontaneity. Lower class / poor girls are most often one-track-mind goldiggers. I remember that Doctor Skank said once that it's in their blood and called survival. Contrarily, higher social class girls often put out uncomplicated and passionate relationships. The bills are paid, they have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and they only feel they need hot adventures otherwise they are missing out on life.
I really don't know which famous Italian fashion brands are still manifacturing in Italy with Italian fabrics and with Italian workers!Pal Zileri (Gruppo Forall). I made a real-estate deal with them a few years ago and had the opportunity to visit their factory in Vincenza (they also fabricate for Zilli and Zegna by the way). They produce the finest quality clothing, and this is defined by their simple label: Made in Italy.
Ask any dev why the defense towards foreigners, number one reply. "They won't marry you".Not every girl is looking for love and long-term relationships. Fortunaly, casual sex is as common as ever in FSU, and most girls know exactly what they are getting into when dating and / or fucking foreigners.
AColonizer
09-26-12, 12:20
Dear members,
This forum was made to increase sexual practices only.
Your adolescent crises are not welcome.
I can speak only from my experience, but I find that by-and-large, the lower on the food chain the girl is, the sneakier she is. And consequently the relationship lacks of "passion" and of spontaneity. Lower class / poor girls are most often one-track-mind goldiggers. I remember that Doctor Skank said once that it's in their blood and called survival. Contrarily, higher social class girls often put out uncomplicated and passionate relationships. The bills are paid, they have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and they only feel they need hot adventures otherwise they are missing out on life.Well, than I can assume you have no concept of the "jewel in the rough theory". In twenty years of post communism, you are assuming that folks in FSU have the same social securities as people out West. Skank just made a generalization, seems uncultured of you to stereo type people and not judge a person by his / her individual qualities.
Well, than I can assume you have no concept of the "jewel in the rough theory". In twenty years of post communism, you are assuming that folks in FSU have the same social securities as people out West. Skank just made a generalization, seems uncultured of you to stereo type people and not judge a person by his / her individual qualities.I don't stereotype. I just depict how the world runs. I always been stunned by how some travellers (not just to FSU) can be genuinely disappointed to find that people in traditionally poorer countries actually have the same aspirations (and a desire to enjoy the same kind of lifestyle) as they do. For me they are missing the point. Poorer girls want to get higher on the status food chain. Period. And it's just normal. That said, I agree that for many of those girls, the way to get ahead is to work hard, be smart, innovate, learn, ect. But admittedly, many also try to harpoon a foreigner ONLY because they see a financial benefice to do so.
Some need to wear Fucking Nappies as well.
Tonight in Shooters, Irish Lad will be wearing 501's from Levi's and a T-shirt from M&S. Bound to score)
Tonight in Shooters, Irish Lad will be wearing 501's from Levi's and a T-shirt from M&S. Bound to score)Bound to score for sure. The Irish Lad on a Wednesday night, usual table at Shooters.
Its not the label you wear, its the Looks and the Style, Got it?
Now repeat after me the above and jog on.
Sadly I never got to experience Shooters as I was denied entry LOL.Can't you look like an Irish Lad?
Tonight in Shooters, Irish Lad will be wearing 501's from Levi's and a T-shirt from M&S. Bound to score)Thanks to get back on tracks (smilie). How is Shooters on a Wednesday night?
YellowPaul
09-27-12, 01:15
1) First pic is Julia from Mamba, not my girl but a fellow monger's taken at Sky Bar on Friday. Next to her is a girl I wanted but could not get that night.
2) Blonde is Natsy from Mamba $200 for all day & night and she has a amazing flat stomach. She's actually off to China soon with a Turkish guy she has never met yet.
Just got back from all the strip bars,
Arena city cabaret has the most beautiful women, so friendly! I fell in love with my stripper! She wrote my email and gave me free private, whch was more of a romantic kiss seshion.
Shooters, Wednesday is gurls night! Men can't come till 12. But it is crazy bumping! Hookah bar in basement is nice to bring your women for quiet.
Uhmm lots of expats in shooters as well. Most of them horny old men LOL!
I've had plenty of sex in Kiev and never spent money for it. I only complain about how much money I spent partying.
Make up some half assed lie if you need, seem innocent and different. You will win.
Sadly I never got to experience Shooters as I was denied entry LOL.I also was declined on a Wednesday night at 12:30. I saw two different groups of guys about my age, well dressed, turned away. If you look at their photo gallery, the crowd is mostly twenty and thirty somethings. I have never been in the place, but if I was to guess, the days of this place being monger friendly are over.
If I was to try again, I would go on a day other than Wednesday and a lot earlier. I'm sure older expats have no problem entering once the door people know you. The door man clearly looked at only one thing, and that was my age.
I also was declined on a Wednesday night at 12:30. I saw two different groups of guys about my age, well dressed, turned away. If you look at their photo gallery, the crowd is mostly twenty and thirty somethings. I have never been in the place, but if I was to guess, the days of this place being monger friendly are over.Just one question. Why you guys continue to go to Kiev repeatedly? I mean, there is many other places in FSU (and even in Ukraine for that matter) that are not invaded by sex-weaned tourists, where there is no disdain or distrust towards foreigners (or at least where it is not so blatant) , and where the women are not so spoiled and equally beautiful. Just asking, no polemic here.
Just one question. Why you guys continue to go to Kiev repeatedly? I mean, there is many other places in FSU (and even in Ukraine for that matter) that are not invaded by sex-weaned tourists, where there is no disdain or distrust towards foreigners (or at least where it is not so blatant) , and where the women are not so spoiled and equally beautiful. Just asking, no polemic here.For me, I have to begin somewhere and Kiev seems just fine. The basics are all here: beautiful women, cheap sex, and needy girls.
For me, I have to begin somewhere and Kiev seems just fine. The basics are all here: beautiful women, cheap sex, and needy girls.And the fact to be with other 10 000 foreigners doesn't disturb you? Personally, if I go to a club abroad and bump into dozens of sex-weaned foreign mongers (and consequently to be assimilated with them) , this is enough to send me into a tailspin of suicidal depression.
and needy girls.By the way, those needy girls are included in your " "jewel in the rough theory", those who must be judged by their "individual qualities"? (rolleyes)
I can assume you have no concept of the "jewel in the rough theory", seems uncultured of you to stereo type people and not judge a person by his / her individual qualities.
AColonizer
09-27-12, 21:10
Everybody is a little right, but nobody is completely right. The reality is much more complicated. Hecker wrote some good anthropology. At the end, all behaviour models are simple as much as insufficient. At the end, it is not important what she thinks, but it is vital what he scores. Any method is good for the score. The best score is a steady relationship with a bisexual 90-60-90 young girl and to make a threesome once per month and to have two children and to keep the same sexual life after children. All the rest is time into the litter bin. The time is the most expensive appearance of money: Time = Money * C2. I am not an Irish Lad's fan, but he, as all Irish, doesn't reason a lot about that method or another, he just scores, and it seems he has found the right girl now.
I can speak only from my experience, but I find that by-and-large, the lower on the food chain the girl is, the sneakier she is. And consequently the relationship lacks of "passion" and of spontaneity. Lower class / poor girls are most often one-track-mind goldiggers. I remember that Doctor Skank said once that it's in their blood and called survival. Contrarily, higher social class girls often put out uncomplicated and passionate relationships. The bills are paid, they have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and they only feel they need hot adventures otherwise they are missing out on life.
Just one question. Why you guys continue to go to Kiev repeatedly? I mean, there is many other places in FSU (and even in Ukraine for that matter) that are not invaded by sex-weaned tourists, where there is no disdain or distrust towards foreigners (or at least where it is not so blatant) , and where the women are not so spoiled and equally beautiful. Just asking, no polemic here.Prosal. What other FSU cities would you recommend that have a better or similar scene?
Hey guys,
Sorry I'm a little behind on updating. I came in from another vacation and went straight into this one. I arrived in Kiev 2 days ago and already its been a hell of an adventure. I'm here with a couple of guys and we have 2 flats right on Kryshatik St (sp?) so we're right in the middle of all the action.
I'm kind of in a rush be / see the guys want to go grab some breakfast so I don't have time to report on the last 2 exciting days here but I just wanted to post up and see if some of you guys still wanted to meet up in the afternoon / early evening for a drink or two like we talked about a while back.
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Prosal. What other FSU cities would you recommend that have a better or similar scene?Thre is about 11 000 km from Lviv to Vladivostok (west to east) and 5000 km from Murmansk to Samarkand (north to south). Pick your choice.
And the fact to be with other 10 000 foreigners doesn't disturb you? Personally, if I go to a club abroad and bump into dozens of sex-weaned foreign mongers (and consequently to be assimilated with them) , this is enough to send me into a tailspin of suicidal depression.Foreigners are not the problem in Kiev, TBO I wish there were more. Competition is weak here in Kiev, most tourists just come for the weekends, take a look, and then go home never to return. Understand something, I didn't come to Kiev for drunken one nite stands, I didn't come here to just look at beautiful women, I came here to find girlfriends, lots of girlfriends.
You are a lucky guy Prosal, you live in Paris. It's true, every FSU girl wants to visit there. If I was in your place, I would probably just work the internet ready to provide lodging and guide to any pretty dev that wanted to visit your ridiculously expensive megalopolis.
I came here to find girlfriends, lots of girlfriends.A needy girl and a GF are two different things.
You are a lucky guy Prosal, you live in Paris. It's true, every FSU girl wants to visit there. If I was in your place, I would probably just work the internet ready to provide lodging and guide to any pretty dev that wanted to visit your ridiculously expensive megalopolis.Yes, I am a (part-time, smilie) guide for Russian women vacationing in Paris. Free guide. Furthermore, I provide boozing and dining, and if necessary a confortable accommodation in the epicenter. And sex. Talk about a nice situation for them!
More seriously, Paris isn't that expensive. You just need to avoid the "glam" and expensive venues. We got drunk with Bimbo Boy recently in my favorite bar, where I take ALL my Russian GFs, and the bill didn't exceeded 80€ for 16 mojitos and moscow mules (we also got two free rounds from the waiter). A few weeks ago SeanEZ came here (with a gorgeous 19yo lithuanian GF by the way, kudos Sean) , we had some cocktails in a good little bar near St Germain des Pres, was happy hour, some 4€ per cocktail.
Anyway, Russian blondishka. 23 yo. Witty, smart, indulgent, good drinker, ect. And a freak in bed.
Thanks to get back on tracks (smilie). How is Shooters on a Wednesday night?A Wednesday is unmissable and I plan my flights abroad around being back in Kiev on a Wednesday. Sure, Kiev has changed over the last 7 years and I hear many reports and comments of "In the old days". However, there are many other destinations in the FSU where it's easier to pull. The benefit I guess of Kiev is access, comparable safety and a higher ratio of English speakers than some unspoilt areas. The competition in Kiev has increased but still nowhere high. Tourism is mostly restricted to the summer months.
For those with extra time on their hands and boldness in their hearts then the smaller cities in Ukraine are better for pulling. I haven't traveled to many other FSU countries but Bishkek and Chisneau were easy markets.
Bumhead111
09-28-12, 16:00
Hi Guys. Haven't posted on ISG for years. I am an old man in late 20s now.
I have only been here for 1 night so maybe I am jumping the gun. Thought I'd give my first impressions.
I love this city, the architecture, the sense of history, the people are warm and friendly. But.
Sorry to say it but I was expecting big things and have been disappointed. I have walked the city all day with my friend in the sun, and I'm afraid that Ukranian women are a bit overrated. London is much better for variety and quality of women walking the streets. I'm sure this will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you all off but there needs to be a reality check here I feel. Don't get me wrong there Ukranian girls have great figures and great hair, but the hit rate is no higher than any other western european city.
Last night we went to buddha bar, and dlux but wasn't anything there to get my wallet out for particularly. No freebies in spite of chatting up anything with a pulse. Some nice chicks but just not enough of them. No particular interest in me or my friends. Too young? Too ugly? Who knows.
In desperation we went to the notorious Rio strip club. I asked my ukranian mate earlier (who had gone home) whether he recommended the place, expecting him to say no don't touch that expat dive but surprisingly he was quite positive about it. However.
When we got there at approx 3. 30am I couldn't believe my eyes. I thought we had gone to the wrong place. There were 2 tiny stages, and the girls were not even fully nude. Some were not even topless. WTF! Identified a couple of targets and with the help of the very friendly bar manager slash pimp managed to get them over to talk. Both wanted 300 bucks for 2 hours! Tried to bargain them down to 200 but they wouldn't even entertain it and seemed quite pissed off. I wasnt drunk or aggressive, I know how to behave I am not a yob. Are these prices normal? Didn't buy 'because they just weren't fit enough.
I'm afraid to say that I fear I am just another young western pickup artist coming to eastern europe expecting girls to be everywhere and who will throw themselves at him when in fact the reality is that for the older men Ukraine is a honey pot 'because the chicks are all about the benjamins, but for the younger male it's no better than anywhere else. I can drop 200 bucks and get laid in any european city including my own.
Will see how it goes over the weekend. Any advice of venue appreciated. Looking for semi-pros.
Sorry to say it but I was expecting big things and have been disappointed. I have walked the city all day with my friend in the sun, and I'm afraid that Ukranian women are a bit overrated. London is much better for variety and quality of women walking the streets. I'm sure this will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you all off but there needs to be a reality check here I feel. Don't get me wrong there Ukranian girls have great figures and great hair, but the hit rate is no higher than any other western european city.With all due respect, you are just looking at that first layer of what is obvious to tourists. The hot girls of Kiev don't live in the center and few have any true reason to walk around K street. If you want to see really hot girls walking the city center, go to Moscow. If you want to see the beauty here, go to the nightclubs on weekends.
Hi Guys. Haven't posted on ISG for years. I am an old man in late 20s now.
I have only been here for 1 night so maybe I am jumping the gun. Thought I'd give my first impressions.
I love this city, the architecture, the sense of history, the people are warm and friendly. But.
Sorry to say it but I was expecting big things and have been disappointed. I have walked the city all day with my friend in the sun, and I'm afraid that Ukranian women are a bit overrated. London is much better for variety and quality of women walking the streets. I'm sure this will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you all off but there needs to be a reality check here I feel. Don't get me wrong there Ukranian girls have great figures and great hair, but the hit rate is no higher than any other western european city.
Last night we went to buddha bar, and dlux but wasn't anything there to get my wallet out for particularly. No freebies in spite of chatting up anything with a pulse. Some nice chicks but just not enough of them. No particular interest in me or my friends. Too young? Too ugly? Who knows.
In desperation we went to the notorious Rio strip club. I asked my ukranian mate earlier (who had gone home) whether he recommended the place, expecting him to say no don't touch that expat dive but surprisingly he was quite positive about it. However.
When we got there at approx 3. 30am I couldn't believe my eyes. I thought we had gone to the wrong place. There were 2 tiny stages, and the girls were not even fully nude. Some were not even topless. WTF! Identified a couple of targets and with the help of the very friendly bar manager slash pimp managed to get them over to talk. Both wanted 300 bucks for 2 hours! Tried to bargain them down to 200 but they wouldn't even entertain it and seemed quite pissed off. I wasnt drunk or aggressive, I know how to behave I am not a yob. Are these prices normal? Didn't buy 'because they just weren't fit enough.
I'm afraid to say that I fear I am just another young western pickup artist coming to eastern europe expecting girls to be everywhere and who will throw themselves at him when in fact the reality is that for the older men Ukraine is a honey pot 'because the chicks are all about the benjamins, but for the younger male it's no better than anywhere else. I can drop 200 bucks and get laid in any european city including my own.
Will see how it goes over the weekend. Any advice of venue appreciated. Looking for semi-pros.Sounds like you are aiming for cheap sex in the range of $100 / hour or less. If so, stick to girls you can find on mamba. Ru, or other websites. I have gotten some very nice girls this way for $75 or $100 per hour. You will need to contend with the "fake picture" problem of bait and switch tactics used by the website girls and agencies, but you can simply send away those girls that don't appeal to you with taxi fare and keep trying until something good looking enough shows up. There has been a lot written on this on this thread. Haven't you read the thread? You can also try to find cheaper girls of $100 / hr or less in the girl apartments that taxi drivers or shills can show you. Or you can go to nightclubs like Shooters, Avalon, Carribean, and try to find semi-pro girls or WG's that will agree to sex for $200/2 hours or less.
Oh, and unless you are prepared to at least read my prior posts on Rio (some of which you can find referenced on the Reports of Distinction thread) , I wouldn't bother going back there. You did it all wrong there and will probably just repeat your mistakes and get the same result. So first learn what to expect at Rio (the girls strip, over the course of several songs, down to their bikini thongs. The bikini bottom comes off only in a private dance) and how others have gotten good results there, by reading this thread, and then, if you are not scared off by a price tag of $300/3hours, maybe go there earlier and try again and you might just have a ball. Some of the errors that got in your way included things like coming way too late, or trying to negotiate lower price instead of more time. The price has been fixed by the club for a long time and the girls cannot change and so it cannot be budged. The only area of negotiating that will affect price is by negotiating to get more time for the amount paid, which makes the outlay per hour lower. If you take a hottie from Rio out at 9:00 PM, then there are potentially 8 hours until closing at 5:00 AM, and then the "all night" fee of $400 will get you 8 hours, which comes out to $50 / hour net. That's a low hourly price.
But if you don't care for the idea of spending $400 for all night, or even $300/3hours ($100 / hour net rate) , then you should stick to the lower priced options mentioned above.
Happy Mongering.
LJ
Some things came up at our Dubai office and I had to expedite my departure date, so I'll be flying out tomorrow evening. This evening will be my last, and if possible, would be nice to finally meet some of you folks from this forum. Perhaps after 6pm or so. Somewhere in the city center.
I have yet to visit Premiere Palace. Someone just decide on a place / time to meet and let me know of the Dress code and I'll be there.
Hi Guys. Haven't posted on ISG for years. I am an old man in late 20s now.
I have only been here for 1 night so maybe I am jumping the gun. Thought I'd give my first impressions.
I love this city, the architecture, the sense of history, the people are warm and friendly. But.
Sorry to say it but I was expecting big things and have been disappointed. I have walked the city all day with my friend in the sun, and I'm afraid that Ukranian women are a bit overrated. London is much better for variety and quality of women walking the streets. I'm sure this will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you all off but there needs to be a reality check here I feel. Don't get me wrong there Ukranian girls have great figures and great hair, but the hit rate is no higher than any other western european city.
Last night we went to buddha bar, and dlux but wasn't anything there to get my wallet out for particularly. No freebies in spite of chatting up anything with a pulse. Some nice chicks but just not enough of them. No particular interest in me or my friends. Too young? Too ugly? Who knows.
In desperation we went to the notorious Rio strip club. I asked my ukranian mate earlier (who had gone home) whether he recommended the place, expecting him to say no don't touch that expat dive but surprisingly he was quite positive about it. However.
When we got there at approx 3. 30am I couldn't believe my eyes. I thought we had gone to the wrong place. There were 2 tiny stages, and the girls were not even fully nude. Some were not even topless. WTF! Identified a couple of targets and with the help of the very friendly bar manager slash pimp managed to get them over to talk. Both wanted 300 bucks for 2 hours! Tried to bargain them down to 200 but they wouldn't even entertain it and seemed quite pissed off. I wasnt drunk or aggressive, I know how to behave I am not a yob. Are these prices normal? Didn't buy 'because they just weren't fit enough.
I'm afraid to say that I fear I am just another young western pickup artist coming to eastern europe expecting girls to be everywhere and who will throw themselves at him when in fact the reality is that for the older men Ukraine is a honey pot 'because the chicks are all about the benjamins, but for the younger male it's no better than anywhere else. I can drop 200 bucks and get laid in any european city including my own.
Will see how it goes over the weekend. Any advice of venue appreciated. Looking for semi-pros.I am in my mid 20s and for me Ukraine dose feel like a heaven. Dlux, budda is about the worst places I could think of finding a hot dievuska for a night. Try to think of what disadvantages FSU men do have and make it into your advantage. You need first to understand how these women think. Only thing they need is an illusion, passion and to feel human. My gf was avoiding sex with her ex bf and there is several reasons for it, now she is screaming for dikk. And I am not say I am worlds greatest lover, but there is many components to get them there a small bricks you put together like a puzzle.
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