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Pua88
10-03-12, 19:08
/// Dlux, budda is about the worst places I could think of finding a hot dievuska for a night. ///Buddha & Dlux are perhaps not so easy but at least you can find there some "hot" girls, if you speak Russian, choose the right girl & know what to say.

I doubt you will find same quality in shooters / vodka bar or local live music pubs.

YellowPaul
10-03-12, 19:48
After getting back and getting a chance to reflect back on my first trip to Kiev, hopefully it might be useful of other newbie's heading out there.

1) Accommodation: Apartment is the way to go, I used Airbnb with the link to the place below which a beautifully restored apartment with a nice balcony, Jacuzzi and a sauna. The best part was it located at next door to a McDonald's and a Metro station where I could easily meet people as I prefer that to letting a girl that I have not met before come to the apartment.

https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/52676

2) Strip Clubs: I was disappointed with Rio. We could not get a table as it was a busy Friday night and most of the girls I thought looked like they had a lot of mileage on them. Drinks were expensive as I paid about $140 Gurvina HRY for a Grey Goose on the rocks. Also went to Star Rhino at 11:30 pm on a Sat night and I was surprised how dead it was. I got a dance from a super hot 20 year old who acted more a Go Go dancer then turning me on. She even refused to take off her bottom despite it was suppose to a private dance ($200HRY for 2 dances). I guess such is service in the FSU.

3) Clubs. I hit up Buddha Bar where is seemed it was the playground for the rich American's business type's. Oddly there were more guys then women when I was there on Sat night. Avalon hit it up on the a Wed night with lots of working girls. I always look for a vibe with a girl. For instance if they refuse to have alcoholic drink with me it's a sign as they end up being all business and I usually go with my instinct on this and move on. Took home a average looking 33 year old for $200 but I guess she would have taken even $100 for all night and she did a great job and left at 8am. Went to D'Lux twice and Sky Bar on Friday night. Where face control always make sure to look at my shoes! I found that with a large amount of regular girls on the weekends it was not always easy to tell who was working and who was not. Basically if you add up the cover, drinks, taxi and having a late night since the clubs don't get busy to almost 1am it can be a expensive and late night. 1 night we did get bottle service at D'Lux with a great table right in front of the dance floor, it felt great like I was back in Vegas. Personally I would only use clubs as back up on my next trip. The going rate seemed to be $200 for 2-3 hours for "8" type of girl.

4) Websites. Mamba offered the best value but it really requires and a lot planning and effort. I had a few girls I paid only $200 for all day and night. Best was a 20 year old who never asked for money up front and was eager to please.

Overall: The semi-pro market is what really interests me but that will require a lot of more effort and to build contacts as the amount of quality women is quite outstanding on the streets but it also requires knowing basic Russian. Another website I did use was rabota. Ua which a normal job seeking website where I got a lot response for regular girls who willing to be a English translator for $10 hour. I decided not to go with this option it might have potential in the future.

PY

Guntherus
10-04-12, 02:09
Had some pleasant days in Kiev and guess I should submit a report. ISG notes and advice help a lot, so keep writing, and start writing, those of you who haven't.

My last day I had planned an evening-date with a 40 yo. Freebie (I already sixty). Still I I was horny in the morning hours and tried to connect to contacts from Mamba, but they were either busy at university or out of town for the day. Took a walk in the afternoon, dressed on purpose like a crazy foreigner, and what do you know? On Basseyna a guy tries to hand me out cards, very discreetly. Asked him if I could see and he took me to meet three girls, but none of who appealed to me, so I gave him 50hra peaceoffering and left. Saved some 600hr there. Waited for my date, went for dinner with her and then into apartment. Made some photos of those endless long legs and still perky tits, which ultimately led to great, endless sex, even when waiting for taxi she came twice! Great girl, fourth time we meet, and I could fall in love with her! She has a regular job and daughter, overnight was not an option.

But this was my last night and I did not want to sleep too much, so at 1 am I went to Avalon, as this is very close. Few people as this was mid-week, maybe 20-30 studentkas and 5-10 older pretty obviously working their way through the night. I went dancing and then had a drink at the bar. Very soon a thirtyish tall amazonian looking girl spoke to me. Real beauty with a body to keep your hands busy, but I didn't fancy her at the time. Regrettably I didn't ask for her phone for later, but her name was Anna (not Anastasia, as I suggested). Anyway, I had already spotted another on the dance floor, even taller student girl, but she had left, so I was on my way out when I met her on the stairs. Quickly established contact and offered her something to eat, as I wasn't sure on what terms she was there. Her name was Jana. 180 and 21yo, she was with a friend. To make the story short, she came for fun in my apartment, total sensation in bed, but very strict on her time frame. Guess that is a good presupposition for practicing dentist, which she said she is studying. She wanted out of bed much sooner than I had estimated. This pissed me off, but I would meet her again sometime for 200 USD.

It never stops to amaze me how many different types of girls you find in Kiev. I am talking about looks. The men all look the same, except some are thin, some are fat and some very fat. And, yes, some are darkhaired, some are grey, and some are bald. But the women, there is a constant wonder. You have typical slavic devushkas with strong face, there are blackhaired and brunette latinas, asian looking girls, you have scandinavian country-girls looking like Claudia Schiffer, voluptous blonds a la Pamela Anderson, there are birdie-like brunettes like Vicky Beckham, friendly-face turkish girl, some look like egyptian queen or greek goddess. There is no end to this, and this is only the outward look, then there are probably more types if you go into the psyche. But basically, all of them come to some stage, and then they want sex. That is something we have to do s-g about! So keep busy.

Kiev Freak
10-04-12, 06:36
Hi guys, I need help about mamba. I was member of mamba for 1 year. Never put porn photos, never disturb other people by rude messages. Etc. My profile was blocked about 1 month ago. And after that, I tried to register mamba several times. I cleared cookies, changed ip address even even I used different phone numbers and different mail address to register each time. I can register succesfully. But when I upload my photos, mamba blocks my profile immediately. First I thought the system recognize the names of image files. I changed the names of image files. It doesn't work. Mamba still bans me. Second, I use my new photos. But still, as soon as I upload my own photos,"moderator" rejected my photos and my profile is banned immediately. So I decided to make a test. I found random men photos from google. Even some of them is nude. I uploaded randomly. Moderator approved photos. My profile is not banned. However, as soon as I upload my real photos again, the profile is banned again. What the f*ck? There is anyone to know what is happening? Before I really spend good money in mamba. Some days 50 $ I spend at once. I never make spams. There are many profiles full of adult photos and prostitution and mamba approved them. But my photos permanantly banned. How can it be possible? As I said, I tried to register with different phone numbers, different photos, ip address, different names. Didn't work. Mamba can recognize my face and block my profile as soon as I upload my real photos. i upload my real photos. after seconds, i see that my photos rejected by "moderator" and i got this mesage :

"Some uploaded photos do not meet posting guidelines Unified Dating. Therefore, they have been rejected and some time will be permanently removed from the system. When re-posting photos not meet posting guidelines, your profile may be blocked."

And after that, my profilee is blocked. i tried to register maybe ten times. all same. rejected photos and blocked my profile.

How can it be possible? What I can do to join mamba again? Last time they deleted my profile that I had just upload 100 $. This is really rip off.

Prosal
10-04-12, 10:07
But the women, there is a constant wonder. You have typical slavic devushkas with strong face, there are blackhaired and brunette latinas, asian looking girls, you have scandinavian country-girls looking like Claudia Schiffer, voluptous blonds a la Pamela Anderson, there are birdie-like brunettes like Vicky Beckham, friendly-face turkish girl, some look like egyptian queen or greek goddess. There is no end to this, and this is only the outward look, then there are probably more types if you go into the psyche.Many people think that FSU girls are all pale and skinny blondes. They are dead wrong. They obviously know nothing about the history of this part of the world. They also surely never heard of the Tatars, Mongols, Khazars, Turks, ect ect invasions. FSU population is the result of centuries of tumultuous history and mixes. Whatever a look a guy is into, if he doesn't find it in FSU, it is probably that it doesn't exist (granted, save black and meztico). Guys who say that Brasil has the most ethnically various population in the world talk out of their ass. FSU has the most ethnically various population in the world. And as a side note, Uzbekistan is where it is the most obvious.

Kiev Freak
10-04-12, 20:05
Please help me. I cannot register mamba. I really can't understand what this is.

Limarian
10-04-12, 21:11
Night one.

Enough of the fashion tip stuff – here's the real thing, packed with useful tips for middle aged twats like me who just want to eff pretty gals.

Wiz air from Luton – 12. 50 pm, £150 return. Parking in nearby compound. Because of airport based hassles, had to run to the plane arriving sweating and upset. Hadn't realised new 'one cabin bag' policy meant my shoulder bag had to be emptied out, then was challenged over size of plastic liquid bag. Usual long security queues. I will buy priority security route in next time. At least extra leg room option on plane made it a slightly less uncomfortable two and a half hours.

I stay at Partner Guest House – 19 Baseina St which has been great in the past three years, but this time room a bit pokey. £270 for five nights. Lift temporarily broken – a drag having to walk to my appt on floor seven. Stupid key system locked me out of my room – more panic as I was awaiting a massage girl from Evita at the time– I had used `Dolly 'in the past – very nice but only hand job allowed. I got further with these guys (choice of 2 sevens sent) for $100 and was very happy, although much pissing around with excuses for lateness dragging on and on . Which seems typical and makes timing of taking 150mg Viagra for maximum effect a bit tricky. Had shower and a walk round the town – bought basic food from nearby supermarket on edge of nearby Kreschatic St (Same thug guys hanging about, same sad alkies all over the place) and went back to sleep.

Day 2.

Woke with raging horn and spent ages attempting to find a girl from erotic massage sites. Dolly not answering phone, Evita only speaking Russian, Euphotia messed me about for two hours and I gave up on them– I must have spent a fortune on calls – as couldn't get local SIM card to work. Eventually found the number for 'Best' on this site posted by ClimaxNow in early Sept) , popped 100mg, to be on the safe side and waited 'till they sent a pretty long legged girl for $125. Took an hour and numerous chasing calls to the agency 100 yards away. These girls give true GFE – where do they learn that – to cuddle and look after you so passionately and lovingly, smile at you. If only my ex wife etc. Anyway, thoroughly sorted now. After the morning of passion I am completely despunked and totally relaxed. A pleasant walk about the Arena Amusement place opposite and a salad over the road girl watching. There is no understanding of customer care – long waits for things and defensiveness. The waitresses are better but there seems to be a culture of downright ignorance and aggressiveness from guys here. Back to listen to the news quiz on the computer and a nice milky coffee.

The divisions here are huge and obvious with matt black land rover Brabus and big new bmw x5s on the road versus the have not and never will haves. This is exactly what is happening in the uk with city workers and grubbing politicians

Guntherus
10-04-12, 21:43
Try this. Simple trick once helped me out: by sign-in, click 'forgot my password, ' and Mamba will ask for your email address you made registration from, send message to it, which you have to confirm. Then Mamba (or their server) will send new password. This did the trick for me, with this new password I could access my profile again. Guess they simply had some trouble in the system and could not respond to all customers.

If not successful, write administration. I think sending money will not help.


Please help me. I cannot register mamba. I really can't understand what this is.

Kiev Freak
10-05-12, 14:06
I tried it. Didn't work (Says your profile is blocked bla bla bla. I have photos more than 400. Each time I open new profile, I upload different 5-6 photos. But I just don't understand one point : as soon as I upload my photo, systems says me "moderator rejected your photo" this happens after 1 second I upload my photo. How they can recognize me? Many photos. All different places, different clothes. But if I upload another man's photo, system approves it. Even if it is a nude man photo. I asked the moderator maybe ten times, but no answer.

I open a new profile, I upload several photos, my profile would be blocked after minutes. I really don't understand what is this. I don't write anything about "financial support" or something else in my profile page. Even I don't have time to send messages to girls because immediately my profile is blocked. Now I am mongering on vk and loveplanet. Ru I really don't understand what mamba tries to do! I decided to be register mamba with fake photos because all is fine with fake photos. But really it is impossible for mamba to recognize my identity from my photos.

Pua88
10-05-12, 17:13
I tried it. Didn't work (Says your profile is blocked bla bla bla. I have photos more than 400. Each time I open new profile, I upload different 5-6 photos. But I just don't understand one point : as soon as I upload my photo, systems says me "moderator rejected your photo" this happens after 1 second I upload my photo. How they can recognize me? Many photos. All different places, different clothes. But if I upload another man's photo, system approves it. Even if it is a nude man photo. I asked the moderator maybe ten times, but no answer.

I open a new profile, I upload several photos, my profile would be blocked after minutes. I really don't understand what is this. I don't write anything about "financial support" or something else in my profile page. Even I don't have time to send messages to girls because immediately my profile is blocked. Now I am mongering on vk and loveplanet. Ru I really don't understand what mamba tries to do! I decided to be register mamba with fake photos because all is fine with fake photos. But really it is impossible for mamba to recognize my identity from my photos.The mamba moderator is probably a girl you didn't call back)

LilJoey
10-05-12, 18:42
I tried it. Didn't work (Says your profile is blocked bla bla bla. I have photos more than 400. Each time I open new profile, I upload different 5-6 photos. But I just don't understand one point : as soon as I upload my photo, systems says me "moderator rejected your photo" this happens after 1 second I upload my photo. How they can recognize me? Many photos. All different places, different clothes. But if I upload another man's photo, system approves it. Even if it is a nude man photo. I asked the moderator maybe ten times, but no answer.

I open a new profile, I upload several photos, my profile would be blocked after minutes. I really don't understand what is this. I don't write anything about "financial support" or something else in my profile page. Even I don't have time to send messages to girls because immediately my profile is blocked. Now I am mongering on vk and loveplanet. Ru I really don't understand what mamba tries to do! I decided to be register mamba with fake photos because all is fine with fake photos. But really it is impossible for mamba to recognize my identity from my photos.Dear Plantmagic,

Possibly, Pua88 may be close to right. It seems obvious from your descriptions that your face is being recognized by the mamba administrator (s) as a problem person that should be blocked. You haven't told us much of the history leading up to your first being blocked. Perhaps some of your comments and messages were not appreciated by one of the girls who is a member of the site. It really doesn't take much to get one of the prima donna's on mamba upset enough to complain. I have gotten the moderators message about perhaps I was too aggressive in my approach to the little darling, blah, blah, blah and I should rethink my approach or I may get blocked. And this was after a very benign and innocuous message like "are your pictures truly real?". So she hit the complaint switch on me. I'm sure if the moderator looked they would have seen that the uproar by the girl was unfounded. The girl herself continued to talk to me on the telephone. Imagine what would be the reaction if something really assinine was written by some guy. So justly or unjustly they have gotten your number and the moderator wants to block and ban you.

But it's not all bad. Because why isn't it ok for you to use a fake profile picture. The girls all do it. Just select someone that reasonably resembles you. Just make sure to inform whoever you get interested in, very early on, that you have sample photos on the site, but that you are happy to email them your real pictures. I would not tell them the real reason you use fake pictures is because of being banned by moderator of mamba. That will only generate concern in the new girl. Instead, tell them it works best for your privacy to do it this way. Many would argue that using fake pictures on mamba profile is the preferred way, anyway.

LJ

Limarian
10-05-12, 19:18
Friday, night 3 of 5.

A nice start to the day at the cafe opposite. Food not so cheap here. Omelette bread and 2 coffees £12. Spent the day dozing, bathing and listening to radio 4 on the computer. I don't really want to wander about this time, it's so humid and hilly and what's to see apart from huge traffic and endless shops and offices.

In the evening, rang salon Evita who promised two girls with possible lesbi action and strap on. Something I have never tried since a near miss in the school library when the bigger boys cornered me fifty years ago. However, I couldn't wait, so opted for a 'kissing massage' from salon Dolly. I asked for a slim busty girl. Roslana turned up after twenty minutes before the 50mg had started to work-not really my type-nicely solid – pictures accurate. No mouth kissing, no pussy eating and no fingering unfortunately-lots of artificial moaning as the elderly gentleman downstairs grew respectably engorged under her ministrations, with a hasty massage to follow the blessed relief-and all for the best part of £43 including a 50gn tip. I can get this in the uk from Bubbles or Vixens without the expense of the fare and so in, but there isn't the feeling of freedom.

One of these days I must have a proper holiday rather than these escorted European excursions for my penis.

Guntherus
10-05-12, 22:31
I tried it. Didn't work (Says your profile is blocked bla bla bla. I have photos more than 400. Each time I open new profile, I upload .Sounds strange. Have you tried to register flirt. Com. Ua, or love. Ujut. Net? Different names but same database as Mamba. You get access to everything, except your contacts from the old account, regrettably. I have been blocked by administration, probably for annoying girls with messages in English when they don't understand much English. Since then, I once got a message from the moderator with the hint that the girl was not happy with my correspondence and I should probably be more careful in my messages. There was IMHO no insult in my messages, the girl probably just lost her nerves and blocked me.

Kiev Freak
10-06-12, 06:21
I tried all. Flirt, love. Mail. Ru. All. The result was same. It is about my photo. It is impossible to detected my face each time for mamba moderators. There must be another trick. Maybe a software that aouto detected faces. I don't know. I just understand that I must say mamba good bye forever. I can only be a member with fake photos. But the most strange thing is, I never made anything to deserve permanent ban. I think mamba's policy about mongering changed. They don't like such sentences in our messages " I can support you financially". But again, it is impossible to ban a client permanently. Even facebook is not so strict!

Me and You
10-06-12, 12:15
I tried all. Flirt, love. Mail. Ru. All. The result was same. It is about my photo. It is impossible to detected my face each time for mamba moderators. There must be another trick. Maybe a software that aouto detected faces. I don't know. I just understand that I must say mamba good bye forever. I can only be a member with fake photos. But the most strange thing is, I never made anything to deserve permanent ban. I think mamba's policy about mongering changed. They don't like such sentences in our messages " I can support you financially". But again, it is impossible to ban a client permanently. Even facebook is not so strict!Hello,

If they accept a fake photo, you can upload your real photos in other album (miscellenous Album). And may be after few days or weeks you can try to uplaod your real photo in the main Album, and may be it would work.

Good luck

Climaxnow
10-06-12, 20:01
Has anybody noticed that prostitutes that come from Kiev perform worse and are less serious than the girls that come from abroad in Ukraine? It kind of makes sense too, because a girl that relocates has to survive on her own and does not have the option of running back to mommies house. My imagination or is there some truth to this?

Kiev Freak
10-07-12, 00:16
Hello,

If they accept a fake photo, you can upload your real photos in other album (miscellenous Album). And may be after few days or weeks you can try to uplaod your real photo in the main Album, and may be it would work.

Good luckThey don't accept my photos to miscellenous album, too. I tried it.

Limarian
10-07-12, 16:10
Panic!. I think the viagra and all the strenuous shagging has detached my retina. Christ, how long 'till I get back and check into Moorfields 24 hour emergency. Just rest now, forget about further debauchery. Delete all the web sites bookmarks. Tidy up. This is when you realise just how far away from home you are and with no Russian in this very Russian place, how vulnerable you are.

Guntherus
10-07-12, 18:27
Has anybody noticed that prostitutes that come from Kiev perform worse and are less serious than the girls that come from abroad in Ukraine? It kind of makes sense too, because a girl that relocates has to survive on her own and does not have the option of running back to mommies house. My imagination or is there some truth to this?I can not verify this theory, but only because, I regret to admit, there is serious lack of data here. Relocation can also produce more commitment to their task, I. E. Service, I can imagine. I have in my mind the idea that Romanian girls abroad provide more GFE than most others, at least when treated with some respect.

YellowPaul
10-08-12, 00:53
They don't accept my photos to miscellenous album, too. I tried it (I have logging in through the Facebook option since I was blocked. Just make sure to remove any FB pictures currently up that you don't on Mamba and also the "hide" option if you don't want your FB contacts seeing your on Mamba.

PY

Prosal
10-08-12, 10:20
Panic!. I think the viagra and all the strenuous shagging has detached my retina. Christ, how long 'till I get back and check into Moorfields 24 hour emergency. Just rest now, forget about further debauchery. Delete all the web sites bookmarks. Tidy up. This is when you realise just how far away from home you are and with no Russian in this very Russian place, how vulnerable you are.It's painful. I've had a cornea (or maybe it was retina) fracture in Tashkent. I've always thought that it was because of a brawl in a bar I've had the day before, but now that you mention that an extensive absortion of V and Cialis could have caused it, this could also explain it (I just made a small research on google and actually, it seems that V can be the cause of retina problems). Anyway, yes, this is the kind of health trouble that you don't need when you are in a FSU city and when you don't speak the language. Best is to find an international clinic for expats, the staff of most five stars hotels can give you the information. But it's actually more difficult when you are in a second-tier city or a small town. In Tashkent, happily I found a eye-clinic where I had to go every day during almost one week to plaster my eye and change the bandage (taht covered half of my face). The only good thing is that girls pampered me at the pool, the bars, ect. (smilie)

Mr More
10-08-12, 12:07
I am here at the President. It was named something similar back in 2004. It is now 2012, and I ask for 2012 information.

Not staying long enough to wander through Kyiv. And never felt the websites are a good source. The bar downstairs is probably good enough to buy pussy. .

So who has a favorite here in the President? Name? Do I find her in the lobby tonight? The casino? Deep throat? Anal? What makes her so good in 2012? I am here for several nights so keep answering gentlemen! Thanks.

PedroToronja
10-08-12, 17:42
i think what pedro says does make sense, in a situation where there are reasonable grounds to suspect any element of coercion of the girls to do something they really do not want to do.

my two cents.

ljguys, we have no clue of how the relation or employment of the girls in a club works. if she says 'no' and adds 'i have a period' to reaffirm (especially when they do not have the period) , i think it is safe to take them for their word: they don't want to fuck you. putting pressure on them, at their place of work, is imho totally wrong. it is clear they don't want to, and their intent is what one should respect unless we enjoy [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125). i enjoy (probably need) to screw as much as my energy, viagra and my wallet allow. if the girl is difficult to get, probably even more, as it is a challenge of conquest, seduction or higher price. [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) is not in my menu, by a long shot. what adults consenting adults do, is up to us. forcibly fucking a chick because she fears her bosses, losing her job, is not ok with me. they know they get a lot more money than what they get paid for dances, and they still come up with the 'i have the period, no' answer, there is no way to put that in a good light as consensual. we all draw the line somewhere (i hope) , and mine is right there. if she is a ***** that took you for a lot of money, flirts with you, gets you hard in your own place and after milking you (your wallet!) wants to walk away leaving you naked with blue balls, then we can discuss. but this is not the case when a dancer at a club refuses to go to your home and get fucked. especially in a kleptocracy where finding jobs that pay anything is so difficult, where guys leave girls pregnant to fend for themselves. it is particularly sick. i would not want that in my consciousness.

as for dancers going out on a romantic date with you. forget about it! dancers have a few cardinal rules, and one of them is never to date a guy they met at a club: the guy will never forget about her job, the girl can always be reminded of that forever, the guy likes to go to clubs and screw around (the girl knows that). they may appear dumb, but most of them are not stupid.

PedroToronja
10-08-12, 17:46
Hello,

I am looking for young girls available for deep fistings: who can suggest some tested young girls for deep fistings?

Thanks for help.Hi, more than 4 fingers is quite unusual, especially on a young girl. In top-modals some offer fisting, never read 'deep fisting' offered, but you can try. Sure, the head of a baby is bigger than your fist, but they use epidural for that trip out. Don't forget latex gloves, lots of cream, cut and file your nails smooth. Maybe a career in Obstetrics?

PedroToronja
10-08-12, 18:18
I'm on mamba, chatting with a lot of nice girls and women from Kiev.

But I've found few wg or prof.

If you know how to find escort on mamba please tell me.

I've looked at relaxportal too. Every girl is a topmodel and prices are cheap.

But I've seen a lot of sites like this and I got a lot of doubts.

I tried google on a phone number, just like an experiment:

This 20 why old dark angel from relaxp.

http://relaxportal.biz/eng/prostitutki-kieva/4850/

Got the same number of this 25y blonde skinny girl.

http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6308

And some other add on relaxp have the same number.I thought I found some real treasures in Mamba and in top-modals, till I followed somebody's advice here: most of them were escort agencies. It broke my heart! Bitches! LOL I still managed to find a civilian from Mamba and fucked the shit out of her, but would not repeat, it was not even a 7.

I guess the only way is to go to the usual caffees and see what you will get, make the offer (get them drunk, seduce them, etc.) so you know what you are bringing home. Girls from Gia are the ones in photos, but a full 3 points less (on a scale of 1 to 10) thanks to Photoshop. They are also expensive. Someone told me that River Palace action is now at a new location, but did not know the location. If anyone can confirm this, it will be priceless.

I still have my oficial GF there, so I got my action every day, but nothing beats variety, and did not have a lot of that. Just came back after 2 weeks there. Never been to Donetsk, but I hear they have the best of UA, but they are not professionals so it takes some work. I have more money than time (or great looks) so that will probably not work for me. Shit.

PedroToronja
10-08-12, 18:24
I guess is not allowed phone numbers and the risk is to block the account? Is this correct?Yes, they blocked me, but 90% of the 'treasures' I found last, turned out to be escort agencies and the girl was non-existant. So fuck Mamba, it does not work anymore.

PedroToronja
10-08-12, 18:25
In my last 2 trips after Euro Football it seems a big improvement in this issue and no more these experiences in Kiev's airport. Regarding other airports sorry no experiencesI never had a problem at the airport in Kiev, and I landed there some 60 times in the past 6 years.

PedroToronja
10-08-12, 18:29
I only go to D'lux for one reason. On Friday's and Saturday's, this place draws nice girls from outside Kiev central that come to enjoy the music, dance, and show off there beauty. Yes, there are a lot of flashy ball busting b*s mixed among the crowd. But what is really amazing to see are the beautiful girls with Kmart clothes that did not get caught up in the sponsoring deal. These are the girls where I can feel the strongest chemistry. It's almost shocking how they will look and dance at me more than some good looking twenty something foreign fella. I'm almost bald now, forty something, yet my ability to present myself as a nice and secure man allows me to attract girls here in Kiev.Climax, do you get into their panties? All the fun and dancing is great, but it ends there? Sincerely interested.

PedroToronja
10-08-12, 19:03
After getting back and getting a chance to reflect back on my first trip to Kiev, hopefully it might be useful of other newbie's heading out there.

1) Accommodation: Apartment is the way to go, I used Airbnb with the link to the place below which a beautifully restored apartment with a nice balcony, Jacuzzi and a sauna. The best part was it located at next door to a McDonald's and a Metro station where I could easily meet people as I prefer that to letting a girl that I have not met before come to the apartment.

https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/52676

2) Strip Clubs: I was disappointed with Rio. We could not get a table as it was a busy Friday night and most of the girls I thought looked like they had a lot of mileage on them. Drinks were expensive as I paid about $140 Gurvina HRY for a Grey Goose on the rocks. Also went to Star Rhino at 11:30 pm on a Sat night and I was surprised how dead it was. I got a dance from a super hot 20 year old who acted more a Go Go dancer then turning me on. She even refused to take off her bottom despite it was suppose to a private dance ($200HRY for 2 dances). I guess such is service in the FSU.

3) Clubs. I hit up Buddha Bar where is seemed it was the playground for the rich American's business type's. Oddly there were more guys then women when I was there on Sat night. Avalon hit it up on the a Wed night with lots of working girls. I always look for a vibe with a girl. For instance if they refuse to have alcoholic drink with me it's a sign as they end up being all business and I usually go with my instinct on this and move on. Took home a average looking 33 year old for $200 but I guess she would have taken even $100 for all night and she did a great job and left at 8am. Went to D'Lux twice and Sky Bar on Friday night. Where face control always make sure to look at my shoes! I found that with a large amount of regular girls on the weekends it was not always easy to tell who was working and who was not. Basically if you add up the cover, drinks, taxi and having a late night since the clubs don't get busy to almost 1am it can be a expensive and late night. 1 night we did get bottle service at D'Lux with a great table right in front of the dance floor, it felt great like I was back in Vegas. Personally I would only use clubs as back up on my next trip. The going rate seemed to be $200 for 2-3 hours for "8" type of girl.

4) Websites. Mamba offered the best value but it really requires and a lot planning and effort. I had a few girls I paid only $200 for all day and night. Best was a 20 year old who never asked for money up front and was eager to please.

Overall: The semi-pro market is what really interests me but that will require a lot of more effort and to build contacts as the amount of quality women is quite outstanding on the streets but it also requires knowing basic Russian. Another website I did use was rabota. Ua which a normal job seeking website where I got a lot response for regular girls who willing to be a English translator for $10 hour. I decided not to go with this option it might have potential in the future.

PYHow much the D'Lux table sat you back? Did you call girls to the table, or they approached?

Regarding the 20yr old from Mamba. Can you clue us in how to find her? I am sure she will appreciate the business referral.

PedroToronja
10-08-12, 19:08
Hi guys, I need help about mamba. I was member of mamba for 1 year. Never put porn photos, never disturb other people by rude messages. Etc. My profile was blocked about 1 month ago. And after that, I tried to register mamba several times. I cleared cookies, changed ip address even even I used different phone numbers and different mail address to register each time. I can register succesfully. But when I upload my photos, mamba blocks my profile immediately. First I thought the system recognize the names of image files. I changed the names of image files. It doesn't work. Mamba still bans me. Second, I use my new photos. But still, as soon as I upload my own photos,"moderator" rejected my photos and my profile is banned immediately. So I decided to make a test. I found random men photos from google. Even some of them is nude. I uploaded randomly. Moderator approved photos. My profile is not banned. However, as soon as I upload my real photos again, the profile is banned again. What the f*ck? There is anyone to know what is happening? Before I really spend good money in mamba. Some days 50 $ I spend at once. I never make spams. There are many profiles full of adult photos and prostitution and mamba approved them. But my photos permanantly banned. How can it be possible? As I said, I tried to register with different phone numbers, different photos, ip address, different names. Didn't work. Mamba can recognize my face and block my profile as soon as I upload my real photos. I upload my real photos. After seconds, I see that my photos rejected by "moderator" and I got this mesage :

"Some uploaded photos do not meet posting guidelines Unified Dating. Therefore, they have been rejected and some time will be permanently removed from the system. When re-posting photos not meet posting guidelines, your profile may be blocked."

And after that, my profilee is blocked. I tried to register maybe ten times. All same. Rejected photos and blocked my profile.

How can it be possible? What I can do to join mamba again? Last time they deleted my profile that I had just upload 100 $. This is really rip off.If they accept your profile with some other stupid photo, just put that photo and go with it. Don't worry, most girl photos are not real either.

Prosal
10-09-12, 10:06
As for dancers going out on a romantic date with you. Forget about it! Dancers have a few cardinal rules, and one of them is NEVER to date a guy they met at a club.Some guys here might contradict you, but I guess that they would even bother to answer to such a ridiculous statement. I've had adventures with strippers in Romania, in Russia, in Moldova and in Uzbekistan.

FlSailor
10-09-12, 15:31
I am planning a trip to Kiev for late November. In advance of it, I opened an account on mamba. Ru and started sending messages. So far, it seems to me that most of the responses I got are from pros (or agencies posting as independent girls). I am not surprised that that is the case, what I am surprised is that everybody who gave me any details on what they provide indicated that all services are with condom (I understand that as no BBBJ). Of course, all responses I received were in Russian and I used an online translator. Am I missing something here? I was in Kiev like 10 yr ago and BBBJ was not difficult to find.

Ronaldinjo
10-09-12, 18:26
I thought I found some real treasures in Mamba and in top-modals, till I followed somebody's advice here: most of them were escort agencies. It broke my heart! Bitches! LOL I still managed to find a civilian from Mamba and fucked the shit out of her, but would not repeat, it was not even a 7.

I guess the only way is to go to the usual caffees and see what you will get, make the offer (get them drunk, seduce them, etc.) so you know what you are bringing home. Girls from Gia are the ones in photos, but a full 3 points less (on a scale of 1 to 10) thanks to Photoshop. They are also expensive. Someone told me that River Palace action is now at a new location, but did not know the location. If anyone can confirm this, it will be priceless.

I still have my oficial GF there, so I got my action every day, but nothing beats variety, and did not have a lot of that. Just came back after 2 weeks there. Never been to Donetsk, but I hear they have the best of UA, but they are not professionals so it takes some work. I have more money than time (or great looks) so that will probably not work for me. Shit.Hello Pedro, sorry for you, seems your trip got the wrong way. Some top-models profiles seems reliable (there are some client comments on those profiles). Did you try all the profiles you posted and all of them got fake? Have you been to Rio?

Climaxnow
10-09-12, 21:53
Climax, do you get into their panties? All the fun and dancing is great, but it ends there? Sincerely interested.D'Lux is a glam show, lots of fun, but not so easy to pull. Nope, I never got into anyone's panties from that venue but I have no doubt I will. After a total of two months in Kiev, it's almost impossible to not develop a group of girlfriends. As long as you are a dissent person and have some form of sex appeal as a man, it's all the pussy you want in that town.

Guntherus
10-10-12, 02:23
I am planning a trip to Kiev for late November. In advance of it, I opened an account on mamba. Ru and started sending messages. So far, it seems to me that most of the responses I got are from pros (or agencies posting as independent girls). I am not surprised that that is the case, what I am surprised is that everybody who gave me any details on what they provide indicated that all services are with condom (I understand that as no BBBJ). Of course, all responses I received were in Russian and I used an online translator. Am I missing something here? I was in Kiev like 10 yr ago and BBBJ was not difficult to find.I don't want to sound preachy, but isn't it good to know that pros and angencies posting as independent girls demand safe sex? STDs are easily transmitted by BBBJ, I would not take any risk in this part of the world. For uncovered sex I point out that it is easy and not expensive to make a test in one of the many clinics, and have the girl make it too, but you have to wait some days for results.

To find a english speaking freebie, I think you would have to upgrade your profile (pay for membership) so you can search for girls like: "speak english" and "living with parents". With some luck you will connect. Intimate contact with such a girl is more likely to include uncovered, and also to be safer than with a pro. Best of luck. PS: those translating machines are not very accurate and can provide huge misunderstanding. My friends always laugh out loud when I use the Russian provided by translating sited.

Jojosun
10-10-12, 11:36
Hello Pedro, sorry for you, ? Have you been to Rio?Over 2 you Pedro?

Climaxnow
10-10-12, 18:53
Yes, they blocked me, but 90% of the 'treasures' I found last, turned out to be escort agencies and the girl was non-existant. So fuck Mamba, it does not work anymore.Ninety per cent of Mamba is in fact escort agencies / salons. The other ten per cent tends to be girls above college age. When you really start to take mamba seriously, it does not take much to understand what you are dealing with. I had this false notion in my head that maybe an occasional student would market herself independently through Mamba, but this is rare in Kiev. You have to understand that a young girl probably does not have the business acumen to operate alone and will need support from somebody. As in most things in life, the girls need the boys to survive.

Irish Lad
10-10-12, 19:01
Hello Pedro, sorry for you, seems your trip got the wrong way. Some top-models profiles seems reliable (there are some client comments on those profiles). Did you try all the profiles you posted and all of them got fake? Have you been to Rio?Rio in Brazil or that strip club for the lazy and stupid. Just look at the posts from You and Me to see how those who make the effort can get super results on Mamba or in a bar. It's Wednesday, ladies night in Shooters and no one goes home alone!

Irish Lad
10-10-12, 19:25
Ninety per cent of Mamba is in fact escort agencies / salons. The other ten per cent tends to be girls above college age. When you really start to take mamba seriously, it does not take much to understand what you are dealing with. I had this false notion in my head that maybe an occasional student would market herself independently through Mamba, but this is extremely rare in Kiev. You have to understand that a young girl probably does not have the business acumen to operate alone and will need support from somebody. As in most things in life, the girls need the boys to survive.You using the same Mamba as the rest of us?

I would guess 10% agencies. 50% looking for serious relations 20% semi-pros looking for sponsorship and 20% open to offers but not actively seeking sponsorship. I have been on Mamba 7 years and can tell you that many girls there have in fact 2 profiles, one for serious relations and one for rent money. Even your Budda bar / D'lux girls asking $300 are available for $125 (1, 000 UAH) on Mamba.

One of my best friends went to River palace a few years back and bumped in to his personal assistant. Another friend met a girl on a "serious date" only to meet her a week later in Arena working the bar. As for dating a stripper. There are no negative issues with that. Every girl knows her man will cheat. As for the man "remembering" his girlfriends a stripper. What's the problem? No ones ashamed. Borat's sister is the 4th best prostitute in Kazhakstan!

Climaxnow
10-10-12, 19:35
You using the same Mamba as the rest of us?

I would guess 10% agencies. 50% looking for serious relations 20% semi-pros looking for sponsorship and 20% open to offers but not actively seeking sponsorship. I have been on Mamba 7 years and can tell you that many girls there have in fact 2 profiles, one for serious relations and one for rent money. Even your Budda bar / D'lux girls asking $300 are available for $125 (1, 000 UAH) on Mamba.

One of my best friends went to River palace a few years back and bumped in to his personal assistant. Another friend met a girl on a "serious date" only to meet her a week later in Arena working the bar. As for dating a stripper. There are no negative issues with that. Every girl knows her man will cheat. As for the man "remembering" his girlfriends a stripper. What's the problem? No ones ashamed. Borat's sister is the 4th best prostitute in Kazhakstan!I am referring to the straight p4p on Mamba, basically the one hour meetings. Yes, I understand there is another world on Mamba that deals with relationships and more complicated forms of sponsorship. That's why I have one Mamba profile with fake pictures for prostitutes and one with real pictures for regular girls.

PedroToronja
10-11-12, 00:05
Hello Pedro, sorry for you, seems your trip got the wrong way. Some top-models profiles seems reliable (there are some client comments on those profiles). Did you try all the profiles you posted and all of them got fake? Have you been to Rio?Don't be sorry, I put to good use all my Viagra stash. Of Top-Modals I only called one, Veronika, that looked amazing and said on the listing that she speaks English, but the lady who answered did not speak English and would not call Veronika to the phone either. That was the only one from there. From Mamba I called a few, and they all were agencies but one, which I scored good, but it was a 7, nothing to brag about. One from Mamba that was extraordinary (in photos) , gave me address in English on the phone, even when I was at the door she told me to come up to meet her and promised she was the one on the photo. I went up and a fat ugly woman was there together with a slighltly better one, but not even close to the one on Mamba's pic and none of them spoke English. The one I was on the phone may have been miles away. Anyway, I had a great time.

PedroToronja
10-11-12, 00:07
Some guys here might contradict you, but I guess that they would even bother to answer to such a ridiculous statement. I've had adventures with strippers in Romania, in Russia, in Moldova and in Uzbekistan.And how much those romantic adventures cost you?

PedroToronja
10-11-12, 00:08
Hello Pedro, sorry for you, seems your trip got the wrong way. Some top-models profiles seems reliable (there are some client comments on those profiles). Did you try all the profiles you posted and all of them got fake? Have you been to Rio?Sorry, forgot to reply to your last question. I have been there on previous trips and it is a complete waste of money. I want to get laid, not fucked.

PedroToronja
10-11-12, 00:11
Over 2 you Pedro?Rio sucks. Been there, done that. Not any more. It is a trap.

MikePop69
10-11-12, 01:17
I need any infos on websites that have independents stripclubs that do takeout and sex clubs also salons. I do not know ukrainian and Russian. TY

Mikepop

Climaxnow
10-11-12, 03:08
Have you been to Rio?I was at Rio on a Tuesday night. The talent seemed a notch lower than what I remember in March. I won't go again, the girls were just not hot.

One interesting observation was that I saw three older Tony Soprano types pull three girls out of that place. I'm not sure if they were Ukrainian but they did have there own car. It seemed odd that three locals just plopped down a thousand US for three really average village girls. I was confused. I thought these guys were suppose to be getting it for free out there. It didn't make any sense.

By the way Ronald, I always found it interesting how the letters RIO nicely spell out in your user name and that's all you ever ask about. The place must be your destiny.

Bloke
10-11-12, 20:28
Been here working for the week, needed some action. Monday I had an hour at Salon Dolly, average massage from Sasha followed by a very nice oily tit wank which did the biz and she had nice large breasts, nice for UAH350. This afternoon called a girl advertising on Top Modals, she gave me her address and so I turned up for a 1 hour session. Maybe the girl in the pics not sure as the face was masked but she had very large breasts and was 18. 1 hour later, covered BJ followed by 2 pops with DFK which was only because we clicked and that I know because she got very very wet. She made sure I kept her number as says she will not be doing this for long. I was very satisfied for UAH400 +50 tip. Very sweet girl doing this to pay her way through college in Kiev but she is from Liviv. I will definitely call her again next time in Kiev, a real gem.

Kiev very hit and miss but I got lucky today!

Limarian
10-11-12, 23:05
It's painful. I've had a cornea (or maybe it was retina) fracture in Tashkent. I've always thought that it was because of a brawl in a bar I've had the day before, but now that you mention that an extensive absortion of V and Cialis could have caused it, this could also explain it (I just made a small research on google and actually, it seems that V can be the cause of retina problems). Anyway, yes, this is the kind of health trouble that you don't need when you are in a FSU city and when you don't speak the language. Best is to find an international clinic for expats, the staff of most five stars hotels can give you the information. But it's actually more difficult when you are in a second-tier city or a small town. In Tashkent, happily I found a eye-clinic where I had to go every day during almost one week to plaster my eye and change the bandage (taht covered half of my face). The only good thing is that girls pampered me at the pool, the bars, ect. (smilie)They were very helpful. Actually taking me to the local hospital. Usual crap when I tried phoning lloyds travel insurance 'our offices are now closed' etc. A good tip is that you should make sure you have the emergency tel no. To hand just in case. Moorfields told me just floaters. Can be blasted with laser but dangerous. Give it time. May clear. I see there is a viagra alternative called MUSE which you either inject as a solution into your dong or insert as a tiny pellett. Hugely expensive but I will give this a try and report back.

Ronaldinjo
10-11-12, 23:49
Don't be sorry, I put to good use all my Viagra stash. Of Top-Modals I only called one, Veronika, that looked amazing and said on the listing that she speaks English, but the lady who answered did not speak English and would not call Veronika to the phone either. That was the only one from there. From Mamba I called a few, and they all were agencies but one, which I scored good, but it was a 7, nothing to brag about. One from Mamba that was extraordinary (in photos) , gave me address in English on the phone, even when I was at the door she told me to come up to meet her and promised she was the one on the photo. I went up and a fat ugly woman was there together with a slighltly better one, but not even close to the one on Mamba's pic and none of them spoke English. The one I was on the phone may have been miles away. Anyway, I had a great time.Pedro, why you didn't insisted with topmodal girls? Are the pics there relible?

Kyyyv
10-12-12, 14:38
Any experts out there up for showing a novice the ropes?

PedroToronja
10-12-12, 17:07
Pedro, why you didn't insisted with topmodal girls? Are the pics there relible?I say the hit and miss is similar to Mamba. 80% are fake.

Gentleman Travel
10-12-12, 22:29
I'm on mamba, chatting with a lot of nice girls and women from Kiev.

But I've found few wg or prof.

If you know how to find escort on mamba please tell me.The trick is trying to find girls on Mamba who are NOT escorts or pros!

First, most girls in the "New Faces" section. Those two rows of photos on the home page. Seem to be pros or sponsorship girls. I guess they pay a premium to appear there, or there is some algorithm that selects them?

Second, any time you see a 22 year old girl specifying an age range for the man of her dreams as 18-60, that is a pretty good indicator!

Third, seeking "friendship" seems to be the new euphemism for P4P. I don't know why, and it must not be consistent, probably some actually are looking for friendship, but it seems to be a commonality between the girls mentioned above.

It is a pity Mamba removed the criteria that allowed both parties to specify "sex for money". It removed all the nonsense and ambiguity. Of course there were many girls without pink profiles who were still some version of P4P, but at least it allowed clarity for those willing to be direct.

I disagree with whoever was talking about 80% fake profiles. Sure there are lots of fake profiles, but if you focus on profiles with many photos (I ALWAYS ignore profiles with a single photo) , showing the girl in real life situations (especially travel) and non-modelling shots, you have a pretty good chance that she is real, although sometimes older and heavier than the photos show.

Zyclone
10-13-12, 14:44
Who is around in Kiev today and tomorrow?

It would be nice to check some few joints together in the evening.

I rented an apartment nearby Arena so we can meet up nearby.

I did some research yesterday and just then and found the following price range.

Avalon, Buddha: USD 200/2-3 hours.

Sorry Babochika: USD 150/2-3 hours.

Brothels in Kiev: USD 150/1 hour

Mamba girls: Grivna 400-500/1 hr (in and out calls) Some insisted to come immediately to my place when I am still recovering from yesterday's action.

Street: Grivna 200-400 / quick shot.

SKY bar did not let me in because I was wearing Nike shoes. Perhaps tonight and I like to go with some one and share each other all findings.

My age: 39.

Race: Asian.

Occupation: just an ordinary businessman.

Area of expertise: FSU, Eastern Europe.

Addiction to mongering: since 24 years

Sean EZ
10-13-12, 18:49
The trick is trying to find girls on Mamba who are NOT escorts or pros!

First, most girls in the "New Faces" section. Those two rows of photos on the home page. Seem to be pros or sponsorship girls. I guess they pay a premium to appear there, or there is some algorithm that selects them?

Second, any time you see a 22 year old girl specifying an age range for the man of her dreams as 18-60, that is a pretty good indicator!

Third, seeking "friendship" seems to be the new euphemism for P4P. I don't know why, and it must not be consistent, probably some actually are looking for friendship, but it seems to be a commonality between the girls mentioned above.

It is a pity Mamba removed the criteria that allowed both parties to specify "sex for money". It removed all the nonsense and ambiguity. Of course there were many girls without pink profiles who were still some version of P4P, but at least it allowed clarity for those willing to be direct.

I disagree with whoever was talking about 80% fake profiles. Sure there are lots of fake profiles, but if you focus on profiles with many photos (I ALWAYS ignore profiles with a single photo) , showing the girl in real life situations (especially travel) and non-modelling shots, you have a pretty good chance that she is real, although sometimes older and heavier than the photos show.I've met a number of girls on Mamaba over the years, some I dated for long periods. The ones in the United States and the UK are real profiles for the most part. In EE you will need to put in work to find 'fresh' P4P profiles. I find it easy to meet normal girls there but then you are up for wasting time on dating. In Moscow and I think in Ukraine now as well I would say if you write to a girl first and get an instant response with address / number / price it's an agency and the girl in the profile is zero what the girls in the apartment will be once you get there, so be careful. Once you start chatting with a girl ask if she likes gifts, ask if you could add her vkontakte. If she adds you it's a good chance she's a real person. One more thing mamba has feature to put one's profile to the top and I think the cost is one dollar. 'Friendship' never heard before, it's a good one if it's true. Mamba is trying to cleanup when effectively the entire EE female population is P4P directly or indirectly, what a dumb move on their part.

ZimmerBaby
10-13-12, 19:44
I've tried the search engine but failed to succeed.

Are hotels in Kiev mostly GF friendly? My reference are the most popular hits using hotels dot com.

Thanks

LongWang
10-14-12, 22:45
Anyone need a wing man or willing to show a novice around? Would be cool to roll with someone who knows how it works here. I'm staying in Kiev by Buddha bar.

WilliamStewart
10-15-12, 11:48
Reading a few posts on these forums and had a look atsome of the agency links plus top-modals. Com. There are one or two girls of interest to me (although one may not speak any English and my Russian consists of about 5 words) at the top-modals site but it seems a cheap and not sure how legitimate it is due to agencies being renowned for fake photos, bait and switch etc.

JayCZ35
10-16-12, 15:22
Anyone around and want to hit the city tonight in Kiev?

I'm 37, well dressed, white guy from California.

WorldWideHitch
10-16-12, 18:32
Anyone around and want to hit the city tonight in Kiev?

I'm 37, well dressed, white guy from California.Sure man! I am 37 White Male in Kiev also. Let me know where? Maybe Arena area?

WorldWideHitch
10-16-12, 18:34
I have heard that Kiev is dead unitl Wed-Sun. I am currently in Kiev for a few weeks needs some info on GF hotels and places to go that are not rip off's. Cheap to middle of the road p4p and normal disco's to go too. Anyone here want to have a beer give me a shout as well.

IuliiaKoln
10-16-12, 22:29
Try plase Gia. La site

Global Surfer
10-17-12, 00:47
Reading a few posts on these forums and had a look atsome of the agency links plus top-modals. Com. There are one or two girls of interest to me (although one may not speak any English and my Russian consists of about 5 words) at the top-modals site but it seems a cheap and not sure how legitimate it is due to agencies being renowned for fake photos, bait and switch etc.Photos are generally fake like Mamba. There is a reasonable chance of getting an acceptable one. If you don't like, you will be asked to pay the Taxi money (USD 10) and it is unlikely that they serve you again.

Global Surfer
10-17-12, 00:50
Anyone need a wing man or willing to show a novice around? Would be cool to roll with someone who knows how it works here. I'm staying in Kiev by Buddha bar.Try Buddha bar, Deluxe, Caribbean and Patipa. Asking price USD 200-300.

You may also like to try Mamba. Ru and top-Modal and escort-Modal. Com agencies.

You may get from USD 50-USD200

Global Surfer
10-17-12, 00:54
I've tried the search engine but failed to succeed.

Are hotels in Kiev mostly GF friendly? My reference are the most popular hits using hotels dot com.

ThanksMost 4-5 stars are guest friendly. In Some three stars or lower you may have to bribe the security US 20 approx.

I usually stay at Khreschatyk Hotel and that certainly is very guest friendly

Guntherus
10-17-12, 01:06
I've tried the search engine but failed to succeed.

Are hotels in Kiev mostly GF friendly? My reference are the most popular hits using hotels dot com.

ThanksIf you take girl to room late at night (maybe after 11pm) you have to pay the "friendly" security guy, especially if they recognize the girl. Even when I managed to get past the concierge, they soon made visit to my room and wanted security money, some 50uah. I put up a struggle, because I had a doublebed booked, but he and the girl both persisted. Probably supporting girlz at the bar, willing to talk and walk to room. But I have experience only from Lybid Hotel.

ZimmerBaby
10-17-12, 11:43
Thank you guys!

Guntherus
10-17-12, 14:56
Thank you guys!No problem. I always use apartments, where you don't have to think about this. But your question is very frequent in many forums, I really never understood why not ask the reception when you make reseervation or when you arrive? Then you can also ask, if the girl in reception is pretty, for her tel number, or if it is a guy, if he can recommend some girl and tel number. Just a thought.

Clausdrums
10-17-12, 15:41
Anyone around and want to hit the city tonight in Kiev?

I'm 37, well dressed, white guy from California.If you like we can meet for checking some girls?

Clausdrums
10-17-12, 15:42
I am italian. 42 ys. Old, want to join the nightlife today or tomorrow.

Clausdrums
10-17-12, 15:44
Sure man! I am 37 White Male in Kiev also. Let me know where? Maybe Arena area?Give me the time and twhich place.

PedroToronja
10-17-12, 16:30
If you take girl to room late at night (maybe after 11pm) you have to pay the "friendly" security guy, especially if they recognize the girl. Even when I managed to get past the concierge, they soon made visit to my room and wanted security money, some 50uah. I put up a struggle, because I had a doublebed booked, but he and the girl both persisted. Probably supporting girlz at the bar, willing to talk and walk to room. But I have experience only from Lybid Hotel.For about $100 to $130 you can get an apartment with a bedroom, living room and kitchen, and no security people at the door to deal with. Is much better option, more private, WG prefer them (some won't go to certain hotels) and is perfectly safe. I have done that for 6 years now.

AColonizer
10-17-12, 17:48
200/300 USD for what? For an overnight, I say!


Try Buddha bar, Deluxe, Caribbean and Patipa. Asking price USD 200-300.

You may also like to try Mamba. Ru and top-Modal and escort-Modal. Com agencies.

You may get from USD 50-USD200

Jose Cuervo
10-17-12, 19:12
Try CaribbeanThe Russian version of their web site "caribbean com ua" says they're closed for repairing. Anybody knows is it true of I've found wrong Caribbean? Where is it located in Kiev?

Global Surfer
10-18-12, 00:09
The Russian version of their web site "caribbean com ua" says they're closed for repairing. Anybody knows is it true of I've found wrong Caribbean? Where is it located in Kiev?I visited Kiev more than 6 months ago so obviously my information is not up-to-date. It's a mix club with both pros and normal civilians and that is why I like it. English version does not say anything. If you are in Kiev you can just call them and ask.

Global Surfer
10-18-12, 00:10
200/300 USD for what? For an overnight, I say!In Buddha bar, they usually they ask USD 200/300 per hour. I have negotiated the price to USD 200 for 2 hours.

In my opinion the best value for money is Mamba. I usually paid between USD 60 to 100 per hour. None of them were time watchers. However, one hour means one shot. Some of them were happy to spend the night for USD 200.

Kyyv1
10-18-12, 13:09
After being disappointed with the girls in Buddah Bar and the Hotel Lobby I came across a really nice girl at Mantra. We have been seeing each other often over the past couple of weeks. Last night she dropped this info on me: She wants me to include another couple or man the next time we get together. Unfortunately, I really don't know anyone in Kiev that might be interested in this, as my friends are all married and would not go for this. Is there anyone on this forum that wants to talk about this with me?

YellowPaul
10-18-12, 17:54
I thought this was interesting.

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraines-disturbing-barbie-flu-beauty-trend-095000167.html

YellowPaul
10-18-12, 17:59
In Buddha bar, they usually they ask USD 200/300 per hour. I have negotiated the price to USD 200 for 2 hours.

In my opinion the best value for money is Mamba. I usually paid between USD 60 to 100 per hour. None of them were time watchers. However, one hour means one shot. Some of them were happy to spend the night for USD 200.Totally agree. It depends on the negotiation with so many variable factors like the vibe you get form the girl, the time of night, how attractive she is, etc. I remember turning down a brunette from D'Lux who would not move from $200 and she wanted minimum $250. She would not even commit to any period of time except to say you will be "happy". I just took her number instead of taking her that night.

Prosal
10-18-12, 18:11
I thought this was interesting.

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraines-disturbing-barbie-flu-beauty-trend-095000167.htmlThe "mukla" (Russian barbie) or better "glamurnoe kiso" (ultra glam and ultra materialistic devushki with excessive suntan, excessively siliconed lips and tits) trend is big since a few years in FSU.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2941-Russian-Women-Opinions-and-Advice&p=1272090&viewfull=1#post1272090

Prosal
10-18-12, 18:18
The VERY GOOD englishrussia site make some funny reportages about this trend.

http://englishrussia.com/2012/07/09/looks-like-halloween-but-it-is-not/

http://englishrussia.com/2012/07/27/who-is-the-fairest-of-them-all/

I especially like this one, glamurnoe village girls (smilie)

http://englishrussia.com/2012/10/03/glamour-at-its-worst/

Timmy011
10-18-12, 18:30
Very nice club and atmosphere, mixed people, old, young, dancing and having fun, work every night. And yes, there are some working girls in the club operating, I pick up from there few nice ones, no bombs (or 10, how somebody like to call them) , but you can chat with them and fool around before you make a decision. There was some nice looking working Milfs too. But remember. They will all start with price of 200. 300 $ for their services, but will very fast come to the 80. 100 $ for hour or two of fun. Just tell them that you come to Kiev often and that you always pay no more then 100$. Do not spoil the market!

And all girls do OWO & CIM / COF, I still am not find hooker or even a regular girl in Kiev who have something against that.

Good luck to all

Guntherus
10-18-12, 23:49
After being disappointed with the girls in Buddah Bar and the Hotel Lobby I came across a really nice girl at Mantra. We have been seeing each other often over the past couple of weeks. Last night she dropped this info on me: She wants me to include another couple or man the next time we get together. Unfortunately, I really don't know anyone in Kiev that might be interested in this, as my friends are all married and would not go for this. Is there anyone on this forum that wants to talk about this with me?Why don't you ask her to bring a girlfriend of hers? Just for the fun. It would solve your dilemma and make her happy) was an idea.

Kyyv1
10-19-12, 01:41
Why don't you ask her to bring a girlfriend of hers? Just for the fun. It would solve your dilemma and make her happy) was an idea.Hey Roll Buzz. Because she specifically asked for another man or another couple.

Clausdrums
10-20-12, 15:14
For some mongering action?

I am 42 ys. From Italy.

Member #4491
10-20-12, 18:27
Avalon was packed with working girls yesterday. The usual 200 USD per 1-2 hours, that can be negotiated down to 150 for a quick shot. I like to party in the evenings so just collected numbers to meet the girls in the day. Daytime you get away with ca 100 USD and still the girl takes home more $ than if you take her in a club, due to no kickback / security to the club, no drinks, cheaper transportation, etc.

The freelance price goes up if the club is more expensive, so you will pay much more in for example D'lux for the same lady.

Mamba has been kind to me, and ever more so my friends here on ISG. You know who you are, so thank you for sharing and keep an eye on your inbox more my contributions!

B

WilliamStewart
10-21-12, 23:29
Photos are generally fake like Mamba. There is a reasonable chance of getting an acceptable one. If you don't like, you will be asked to pay the Taxi money (USD 10) and it is unlikely that they serve you again.Did a quick google images search on a couple of them and plenty of met-art matches. Beautiful girls, but probably fake.

Japansh
10-22-12, 05:38
Have anyone lost a white and black beaded necklace last Saturday 13th in D'Lux?

The waitress gave it to me thinking that it is my friend's necklace.

Global Surfer
10-23-12, 00:57
Did a quick google images search on a couple of them and plenty of met-art matches. Beautiful girls, but probably fake.Still no harm in trying. You may be surprized by the quality. Interviewing is fun anyway.

In my opinion Mamba is the best option considering value for money. Top-Model and escort-model are also worth trying

Kyyv1
10-23-12, 18:29
I am in Kiev until October 29th.

Monsoon64
10-24-12, 19:39
Hi fellow members.

Had 2 mamba accounts and today cannot sign in both. So all my Ukraine and Poland contacts lost. Tried restoring the password and after a few attempts got accessed denied with a nice message liking me to an anti Putin terrorist.

1) anyone experience this.

2) should I move house.

3) is this my mongering career over. Is this my equivalent of the River Palace being towed away.

Tomux 22
10-25-12, 13:46
Hi fellow members.

Had 2 mamba accounts and today cannot sign in both. So all my Ukraine and Poland contacts lost. Tried restoring the password and after a few attempts got accessed denied with a nice message liking me to an anti Putin terrorist.

1) anyone experience this.

2) should I move house.

3) is this my mongering career over. Is this my equivalent of the River Palace being towed away.3) Yes this is your mongering career over.

Vinny78
10-25-12, 15:27
Wanted to get info about the gia. Ua / girls the website is it any good?

MikePop69
10-25-12, 21:35
Wanted to get info about the gia. Ua / girls the website is it any good?Keep looking down. All fake pics.

Guntherus
10-26-12, 00:10
Why do you ask about Gia specifically? Isn't this a crap agency?)


Wanted to get info about the gia. Ua / girls the website is it any good?

Rudigumble
10-26-12, 09:18
Hello,

I will be next week in Kiev and want to meet girls. Unfortunately I cannot use hotel for meeting, therefore I thought about visiting a banja with one or two ladies. Can someone advise a banja near city center which is working already on afternoon?

Rudigumble
10-26-12, 09:24
Hello,

I will be next week in Kiev and want to meet girls. Unfortunately I cannot use hotel for meeting, therefore I thought about visiting a banja with one or two ladies. Can someone advise a banja near city center which is working already on afternoon?

With regard to Gia: Last year I had date with some of their girls. Pictures on the net are generally okay and you can rely on their services. I can recommend Olga (http://gia.la/photo/olga10/18.jpg). What I do not like is their high prices. Especially in comparison to Buddha Bar or Avalon.

Eros75
10-26-12, 10:54
Hi all,

I plan to be in Kiev for New Year's Eve.

Anyone there during this period for drinks or else?

I would be grateful also if any kind mongers are willing to share P4P phone contacts.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers.

Eros

Uke Boy
10-26-12, 12:59
The Kiev Post just published a bit of nostalgia about River Palace. Here's the link.

http://www.kyivpost.com/guide/about-kyiv/remembering-river-palace-314970.html

DoctorOral
10-26-12, 17:12
Oh my god! Thank you. Yes, I do miss it, although it is not a necklace, but a cocklace.

Made in China. I wrap one of them around my cock each time I go out to clubs and let he girls get an idea of the two presents they get when they go home with me.

I lost one last weekend. Meet for a beer? I then tell you the story how I met my wife in Kiev and proposed with a diamond cock piercing in the Avalon mensroom! .


Have anyone lost a white and black beaded necklace last Saturday 13th in D'Lux?

The waitress gave it to me thinking that it is my friend's necklace.

Climaxnow
10-26-12, 17:50
Anybody have any good tips on how to achieve a good natural erection. I refuse to take Viagra. I stopped watching porn, my arranged appointments are mostly in the day time, I don't jerk off too much, and I try to fuck college aged girls only. Am I missing anything?

IAlvsg
10-27-12, 18:22
Hi guys,

I may go to Kiev in the next months but asking several questions.

I've read several pages of this forum but can't find anything about streetworking girls. There's not any area where there are some? If yes, do they generally take you to their place (for short term) and for which price?

Have a good day,

Thanks.

Global Surfer
10-27-12, 21:33
Anybody have any good tips on how to achieve a good natural erection. I refuse to take Viagra. I stopped watching porn, my arranged appointments are mostly in the day time, I don't jerk off too much, and I try to fuck college aged girls only. Am I missing anything?There are many factors involve including but not limited to your age, atherosclerosis and whether or not you are diabetic.

The only general advice is egular aerobic exercise for at least half an hour. Yoga may also help. You may see things improving in 2-3 months.

Some people may recommend herbal Chinese medicine but beware that one such preparation in London they found Sildenefil (Viagra)

Global Surfer
10-27-12, 21:37
Hi guys,

I may go to Kiev in the next months but asking several questions.

I've read several pages of this forum but can't find anything about streetworking girls. There's not any area where there are some? If yes, do they generally take you to their place (for short term) and for which price?

Have a good day,

Thanks.You may find them close to Mango on kreschatik but its a hit or miss.

Guntherus
10-28-12, 03:53
Raise your hands who finds this thread needs more reports? I better elate a recent day in Kiev. It was the first of ten.

Arrived at dinner time and met my complementary transfer, which was included in my Last-minute-deal with Guesthouse. My friend Sasha had added credit to my number so there was no problem getting service for my number from last visit and start calling on the way to the city.

First call was Jenna, a new contact on Mamba I had promised to call when I arrived, but as happended before, she bailed and did not return my call all evening. So my next option was my old friedn Sasha. Well. 21 os not old, but I have been meeting her several times, and she is always nice except for always being late by one or two hours. When you know about this, it is not so bad. We hit it wonderfully together and she slept in my arms until eight, when she had to attend classes apparantly. I am not so sure she does much academic work, maybe she is working on her carrier as a musician in a band. Never asks for money but gladly receives a gift for rent, like this time 1200uah.

Anyway, at arrival I had texted and made appointment at noon with a little-English-speaking devuschka, who confirmed this answering my sms at 11. Got her number from Mamba, real photo arrived timely, stunning 24 year old blond, which by the way I don't really fancy, but she was 178cm, beautiful curves and a shy smile most of the time. Very pleasant and wanted to escort me dancing in the evening. Which I did not act upon. 1000 uah and she left after two hours.

Called another old flame, Anya 28 (but probably older) , and she was very persistant to go for an early dinner, also wanted to choose restaurant, which I denied, remembering warnings of bait&switch. Close by my apartment is this nice beef restaurant on Shota Rustavelli, that someone had recommended in this forum. We went there and had a very enjoyable meal together, she has been long in business and told me about her past experiences. But I did not fancy going with her to my apartment at this moment, and the service in this restaurant was all about getting as much money from your card as possible, so I suggested going somewhere else for coffee and cake. She suggested Premier Palace, which is rather posh and historic, but pleasant. She told me there is high-class bar with some nice high-class bar-flies in the vicinity. Don't remember anyone referring to this hotel, but here it is, somewhere close to Volodimyrska and Maidan. We agreed she would take me to clinic for STD-test Monday morning. Gave her some taxi money an left her there with some excuse about my friend from the company.

Was thinking maybe visit Rio, which I have neglected for very long, but decided to go to Avalon first to see the lineup, and it was thin for a Friday night. I like to dance, and blond seemed to be my lucky number this day. For a while this blond girl, getting rather drunk, got my attention, and vice versa, but when I wanted to invite her a drink she was already at the bar in the company of some foreigner who seemed to have charmed her and her sister with his generosity. But soon it became obvious he had had to much at the bar and had difficulties leaving on his own, and the sisters had no interest in helping him. Trying to be a gentleman, I told them I wanted a quiet place to have something to eat and they offered to show me the way to the restaurant downstairs, where we all sat down and inspected the menu, made some photographs and laughed a lot. But then they advised me to go to a much cheaper and just as nice restaurant close by, and excorted me there. We got some sushi and came to agreement they could both overnight with me and have 300 dollars for travelling back home in the afternoon. I don't tell details about what happend in bed but it was very pleasant for all of us. Kate 24 and Vika 29 looked very much alike, still were no sisters, but cousins. Woke up at eleven, all very vigorous and hungry, and the girls agreed to go out for some food. One of them left her bag but took my key and 300uah. Two hours later they had not returned and I had bad feeling about this. Could not leave the apartment without a key, and my phone soon had no credit anymore. So I called the agency and told them I needed a spare key. Two minutes later Kate and Vika return with food, and admit that they had gone on a shopping spree downtown with my 300uah. Everybody was happy and after having some food we had a short session in bed again. Then I threw them out before 5pm, they were going to their village again, but willing to come again. Maybe I call them next time in Kiev.

Lesson: drinking too much yourself at the bar can deprive you of the pleasure of two nice girls, better offer drinks to others. Most of the time, the girls are nice and will not screw you, but when they do, it is very uncomfortable. Show patience, women appreciate if you can wait.

CheekyDancer
10-28-12, 08:03
Has anyone got any links to tried and recommended apartment they have used recently.

Global Surfer
10-28-12, 14:29
Raise your hands who finds this thread needs more reports? I better elate a recent day in Kiev. It was the first of ten.

So my next option was my old friedn Sasha. Well. 21 os not old, but I have been meeting her several times, and she is always nice except for always being late by one or two hours.

Anyway, at arrival I had texted and made appointment at noon with a little-English-speaking devuschka, who confirmed this answering my sms at 11. Got her number from Mamba, real photo arrived timely, stunning 24 year old blond, which by the way I don't really fancy, but she was 178cm, beautiful curves and a shy smile most of the time. Very pleasant and wanted to escort me dancing in the evening. Which I did not act upon. 1000 uah and she left after two hours.Thanks for great report. I know the profiles are not permanent and I have no chance of visiting Kiev before February but still would you mind sharing the links to the profiles in this forum. Thanks again

IAlvsg
10-28-12, 16:22
You may find them close to Mango on kreschatik but its a hit or miss.Yes I imagine. Thanks for the info Global Surfer.

I'm kind of confused for the ways of getting girls in Kiev compared to other locations in the world.

1) In Kiev, the common way to get a session with a girl is to go to one the special clubs (Avalon, Rio, etc) which work as restaurant+bar+disco, have expensive dinner or drinks and by this time do the deal with a girl?

2) The girls you can get on these places are working for the club or are freelancers?

Thanks,

Have a good day.

Global Surfer
10-29-12, 02:58
Yes I imagine. Thanks for the info Global Surfer.

I'm kind of confused for the ways of getting girls in Kiev compared to other locations in the world.

1) In Kiev, the common way to get a session with a girl is to go to one the special clubs (Avalon, Rio, etc) which work as restaurant+bar+disco, have expensive dinner or drinks and by this time do the deal with a girl?

2) The girls you can get on these places are working for the club or are freelancers?

Thanks,

Have a good day.Working for the club or free lancers.

It depends on the club. I think for Rio they work for the club but in other club e. G. Caribbean, Buddha, D Lux etc they are probably free lancers.

Expensive dinner / drink.

All you need to buy is one drink and if you want you can get away with diet Coke on ice. Girls in Buddha bar, D Lux are hard core professionals. You can finalize the deal and take them out. If you are in party mood you can buy them drink and spend some time there.

Caribbean is mixed club I. E. Civilians mixed with wgs.

You may also want to try Mamba and in my opinion that is probably the best value for money

Eros75
10-29-12, 03:54
Hi all,

Anyone knows why when I sent my phone number (from abroad) to activate "Real status" but I've never receive the code to activate "Real status"?

Thanks in advance for any tips.

Eros

IAlvsg
10-29-12, 20:10
Working for the club or free lancers.

It depends on the club. I think for Rio they work for the club but in other club e. G. Caribbean, Buddha, D Lux etc they are probably free lancers.

Expensive dinner / drink.

All you need to buy is one drink and if you want you can get away with diet Coke on ice. Girls in Buddha bar, D Lux are hard core professionals. You can finalize the deal and take them out. If you are in party mood you can buy them drink and spend some time there.

Caribbean is mixed club I. E. Civilians mixed with wgs.

You may also want to try Mamba and in my opinion that is probably the best value for moneyThank you for your answer Global Surfer.

So, if taking a girl from one of these clubs, you need to bring them back to your place (hotel / private apt)?

Not any clubs provide rooms on place for that?

Guntherus
10-30-12, 00:10
Hi all,

Anyone knows why when I sent my phone number (from abroad) to activate "Real status" but I've never receive the code to activate "Real status"?

Thanks in advance for any tips.

ErosThe reason could be you have registered wrong country in your profile. The registration is used to insert country code. It worked with me.

Guntherus
10-30-12, 00:48
I'm kind of confused.

2) The girls you can get on these places are working for the club or are freelancers? .I think you really need to read more reports of distinction. Or seek wingman. Avalon, Arena, Buddha, D'Lux et alia are discos where some girls, if you look decent and appear to be generous, will approach you at the bar and ask if you are alone and lonely, or something like that, and want to leave you phone number. Some even want to discuss terms for coming to your apartment or room. Weekends will be more, workdays fewer girls. Rio is a strip club (there are several in Kiev) where you will be offered private dance in a cabin, and sometimes you can discuss with manager about girl following you home. There are apartments, a kind of a small brothel (with rooms!) , but this seems to be operating discreetly, maybe illegal? Street workers, try around MacDonalds, girls seeking eye contact may need money. Then there are several bars (hotels) where working girls will seek contact, probably only between 10pm and 2am. You can call agency like Gia around the clock. Then there are dating sites. This is not exhausting all details, read the forum, please, there is plenty of info and you soundalike you need it. Forgive me blunt approach. RB

CheekyDancer
10-30-12, 00:49
Has anyone got any links to tried and recommended apartment they have used recently.No one?

No one knows of any decent apartments?

Guntherus
10-30-12, 00:56
Has anyone got any links to tried and recommended apartment they have used recently.Dobovo and also Sergey at apartments. Com. Ua have delivered good service for me recently. But I really think this is question for TripAdviser, not ISG.

Guntherus
10-30-12, 01:11
Thanks for great report. I know the profiles are not permanent and I have no chance of visiting Kiev before February but still would you mind sharing the links to the profiles in this forum. Thanks againI don't want to disclose profiles of friends. But there are others that have simply responded friendly to me, and I think it is little harm to share it here. Not all speak much English, one in Karchov. You can see one has fake photo, one has none, another seems to be absent. There is really no way to tell if they will answere. Good luckm.

http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=936639709&hit=3

http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=764743858&hit=3

http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=454554575&afolder=album_photos&album_id=595264953&#closed.

http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=674033271&hit=3

http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=674033271&hit=3

http://mamba.ru/inusik_n/?afolder=dating

Global Surfer
10-30-12, 02:01
Thank you for your answer Global Surfer.

So, if taking a girl from one of these clubs, you need to bring them back to your place (hotel / private apt)?

Not any clubs provide rooms on place for that?I am not aware of any club providing rooms. Those FKK you can find Germany, Switzerland, Check Republic.

As Roll Buzz mentioned there are small brothers operating from flats who may provide you space. I have never used those.

My experience in Kiev is restricted to mamba dating agency, TopModel, Escort Model, Baccardi, Buddha bar and only once a street walker

Eros75
10-30-12, 02:39
The reason could be you have registered wrong country in your profile. The registration is used to insert country code. It worked with me.Thanks Roll for the info. I registered with the right country in my profile but for some unknown reasons it didn't work. I asked the mamba support team and their answer was incomprehensible to me. Like "Hello, # name. # message #"!

AlbertaGuy
10-30-12, 05:19
Yes,

It has been a while since I saw a decent report about pulling freebies in Kiev. With all the talk about that shithole Rio and the Princesses in D'Lux, it would be natural to assume that no one scores here any more. Fortunately that's just not the case.

Here's what you need.

1. The right plan. If you're going to a club, get a table. Invite girls to join you, if they are boring or suggest money, throw them off and get some more.

2. Pretend to have game, even if you don't. It's the guy who does the pulling. 100 times more so in the FSU.

3. Don't lose focus. None of this "haven't decided yet" crap. If you fancy a girl and she gives you a glimmer of a response. Go in for the kill. No prisoners.

4. Dress to impress but within your comfort zone. I wear jeans and t-Shirts and don't own a suit. My black and white Casio watch works just fine.

5. Don't get drunk. We all do but your chances plummet.

6. Use mamba to suit your own purposes. Save time by posting your photo on the top line saying "looking for a fun chick to party with tonight". Bring her along until you close with her or find better.

Got to goGreetings Comrades. I am a single Canadian guy coming to Kiev for 16 days over New Years with a buddy. We speak no Russian / ukrainian. I wanted to get advice on where to stay, what to do, where to go, what to say. A condensed guide on current hot spots. Thanks for the Mamba tip, will work that a little before we arrive! The quote above was also helpful but need a list of names / places / clubs we can find. We are both 38, good looking, respectful mongers. Any and all advice is most welcome!

Questions:

- We fly in and out of Kiev 16 days apart. Where else should we go that has beautiful horny women? Thinking Odesa for a week also, thoughts?

- How much Russian / Ukrainian should we try to learn? Any specific phrases?

- Are the marriage agencies good for marriage minded hotwifes?

- Hoping to mostly pick up locals and be generous. Tips?

- How are the trains? Is a car helpful for mongering?

Appreciate any tips and tricks!

CheekyDancer
10-30-12, 14:44
Dobovo and also Sergey at apartments. Com. Ua have delivered good service for me recently. But I really think this is question for TripAdviser, not ISG.Thanks Roll buzz I will give them a go.

Reiner Otto
10-30-12, 18:45
Greetings Comrades. I am a single Canadian guy coming to Kiev for 16 days over New Years with a buddy. Ny and all advice is most welcome!

Questions:

- We fly in and out of Kiev 16 days apart. Where else should we go that has beautiful horny women? Thinking Odesa for a week also, thoughts?

- Are the marriage agencies good for marriage minded hotwifes?

- Hoping to mostly pick up locals and be generous. Tips?

- How are the trains? Is a car helpful for mongering?

Appreciate any tips and tricks!- New Year: Not a good time, at least here in the "Province", in case you have no good contacts. Many people do the parties privately, because of $. And in case, people have enough $, they go into the Carpats, to Crimea or even abroad for celebrations. Students will be out of town because of holidays, anyway. Seriously, Tailand might be a much better choice for New Year.

- Same for Odessa.

- Marriage Agency: Same chances as to grab the Jackpot in Vegas.

- In Kiev I like Shooters best.

- Trains are OK, in case you book "Coupe", at least (2'nd class). However, end of year always difficult to book tickets on the spot. Do it in advance.

MattNDBoy
10-30-12, 20:04
Hi all,

Anyone knows why when I sent my phone number (from abroad) to activate "Real status" but I've never receive the code to activate "Real status"?

Thanks in advance for any tips.

ErosHey I'm having the same issue.

Mamba is owned by Mail. RU their email system. Which also uses the real stats via TXT sms. The issue is their system only sends to european phone numbers. Even though USA is listed.

I'm trying to have my contacts over there send me the code. But with the delay in time the codes time out.

If anyone has a clue how to get the real stats figured out. UNLIMITED MONGER potential is waiting with MAIL. RU's dating site. Every single Russian / ukraine or european chick is pretty much on there.

I've heard of online cell phones to recieve texts but I don't know which ones still work?

Idk help for god sakes!

IAlvsg
10-30-12, 23:04
I am not aware of any club providing rooms. Those FKK you can find Germany, Switzerland, Check Republic.

As Roll Buzz mentioned there are small brothers operating from flats who may provide you space. I have never used those.

My experience in Kiev is restricted to mamba dating agency, TopModel, Escort Model, Baccardi, Buddha bar and only once a street walkerOk Global Surfer.


I think you really need to read more reports of distinction. Or seek wingman. Avalon, Arena, Buddha, D'Lux et alia are discos where some girls, if you look decent and appear to be generous, will approach you at the bar and ask if you are alone and lonely, or something like that, and want to leave you phone number. Some even want to discuss terms for coming to your apartment or room. Weekends will be more, workdays fewer girls. Rio is a strip club (there are several in Kiev) where you will be offered private dance in a cabin, and sometimes you can discuss with manager about girl following you home. There are apartments, a kind of a small brothel (with rooms!) , but this seems to be operating discreetly, maybe illegal? Street workers, try around MacDonalds, girls seeking eye contact may need money. Then there are several bars (hotels) where working girls will seek contact, probably only between 10pm and 2am. You can call agency like Gia around the clock. Then there are dating sites. This is not exhausting all details, read the forum, please, there is plenty of info and you soundalike you need it. Forgive me blunt approach. RBI have read the last 5 pages without finding all the information but you are right, I'm going to read more.

Thanks.

Guntherus
10-30-12, 23:09
Greetings Comrades. I am a single Canadian guy coming to Kiev for 16 days over New Years with a buddy. We speak no Russian / ukrainian. I wanted to get advice on where to stay, what to do, where to go, what to say. A condensed guide on current hot spots. Thanks for the Mamba tip, will work that a little before we arrive! The quote above was also helpful but need a list of names / places / clubs we can find. We are both 38, good looking, respectful mongers. Any and all advice is most welcome!

- We fly in and out of Kiev 16 days apart. .

Appreciate any tips and tricks!I have not been in Kiev around New Year, but I agree with Rainer Otto, this could probably be bad time to start and get new contacts. Better gather some more information.

Actually New Years Eve is only one or two days of your trip, and you know, Kiew celebrates Christmas 3-4 weeks later than westerners, so you should find out when exactly the students really go on holiday (most go to the countryside). If they are in town, this is not bad, and in two weeks you should find some action.

More locals in the streets means more options for you, because you can address any girl in streets, shops etc and start some conversation. Ask for phone number, depending on your charm, sometimes it can lead to a date, I have had numbers from girls late in the evening and called them day after to meet. But really time-consuming.

Absolutely learn some lingo. Kyrillic alphabet is a must, for street names to start with, and many people there have negative attitude towards english-speaking people.

I am not sure what you mean by questiona about agencies. You are single, and marriage agencies are good for marriage minded wifes (women?) , if you are looking for this, you should go straight to them. Most of the single women are secretly hoping to find a decent guy to marry and take them, some to Europe, some to the states, some prefer Moscow. Well, maybe this is only my speculations, but I have not been shown to be wrong.

But really, the winters in Kiew can be terribly cold and long.

AlbertaGuy
10-31-12, 05:04
Hey I'm having the same issue.

Mamba is owned by Mail. RU their email system. Which also uses the real stats via TXT sms. The issue is their system only sends to european phone numbers. Even though USA is listed.

I'm trying to have my contacts over there send me the code. But with the delay in time the codes time out.

If anyone has a clue how to get the real stats figured out. UNLIMITED MONGER potential is waiting with MAIL. RU's dating site. Every single Russian / ukraine or european chick is pretty much on there.

I've heard of online cell phones to recieve texts but I don't know which ones still work?

Idk help for god sakes!Yes I'm having the same issue. Any help would be welcome.

Climaxnow
10-31-12, 17:37
Anybody know if Ukraine enforces the 90/180 day rule? As I exited Ukraine, I noticed the agent specifically look at the dates of my past entrance / exit stamps. If somebody was to reside in Kiev without the proper residency papers, what's standard operating procedure to get around the law?

YellowPaul
10-31-12, 17:58
Hey I'm having the same issue.

Mamba is owned by Mail. RU their email system. Which also uses the real stats via TXT sms. The issue is their system only sends to european phone numbers. Even though USA is listed.

I'm trying to have my contacts over there send me the code. But with the delay in time the codes time out.

If anyone has a clue how to get the real stats figured out. UNLIMITED MONGER potential is waiting with MAIL. RU's dating site. Every single Russian / ukraine or european chick is pretty much on there.

I've heard of online cell phones to recieve texts but I don't know which ones still work?

Idk help for god sakes!Just log in with Facebook and avoid all the hassle. I started doing that and no more issues. Just edit your FB profile to avoid any issues.

YellowPaul
10-31-12, 18:00
Anybody know if Ukraine enforces the 90/180 day rule? As I exited Ukraine, I noticed the agent specifically look at the dates of my past entrance / exit stamps. If somebody was to reside in Kiev without the proper residency papers, what's standard operating procedure to get around the law?I was thinking about the same thing recently as I was there in Sept. And according to the Canadian Government website I have to wait 90 days to re-enter or pay a possible fine? Anybody with any information on this issue?

AColonizer
10-31-12, 20:48
I rented a nice apartment from Dobovo, that flat made a good impression to girls, but I didn't get a good customer care by Dobovo, I had to await for the plumber and I didn't receive any assistance when my wi-fi connection was down. I had a very good service by Grata agency even if its flats are unpretentious. I met Sergey Kulik five years ago and in my opinion he is a bandit!


Dobovo and also Sergey at apartments. Com. Ua have delivered good service for me recently. But I really think this is question for TripAdviser, not ISG.

Reiner Otto
10-31-12, 22:39
I was thinking about the same thing recently as I was there in Sept. And according to the Canadian Government website I have to wait 90 days to re-enter or pay a possible fine? Anybody with any information on this issue?As a long-termer in UA I have to say, be careful to obey to the 90/180 day rule now. I already payed some fine 2 years ago because of overextending.

This was during a border run to MD.

Actually, it looks that the passport control is even more strict controlling. In best case, you might exit just paying some fine; in worst case you risk being banned for up to one year, with a special stamp in your passport.

But even when only paying a fine when exiting, you have a good chance being refused when trying entering again.

Climaxnow
11-01-12, 20:33
I rented a nice apartment from Dobovo, that flat made a good impression to girls, but I didn't get a good customer care by Dobovo, I had to await for the plumber and I didn't receive any assistance when my wi-fi connection was down. I had a very good service by Grata agency even if its flats are unpretentious. I met Sergey Kulik five years ago and in my opinion he is a bandit!When it comes to apartments, Arik at kievapts. Com is the best.

Thanks LJ for the lead.

Guntherus
11-02-12, 01:31
. I met Sergey Kulik five years ago and in my opinion he is a bandit!His problem is he does not speak English. His wife has to translate everything, but she is very friendly. Eh, I mean helpful. Errr, professionally, heck, you know what I mean. If your thinking is not dirty.

Ps. They really have been good contact persons when I knew nobody in Kiev.

JayCZ35
11-02-12, 19:30
Anyone around tonite for Avalon or elsewhere? I'm 37. Well dressed etc.

CheekyDancer
11-03-12, 21:41
Anyone around tonite for Avalon or elsewhere? I'm 37. Well dressed etc.I'm in Kiev at the moment. Lucking out on a few Mamba contacts. I'm 36 also well dressed here until Tuesday. Wouldn't mind a wing man if your about.

DoctorOral
11-04-12, 14:21
Anyone has contact to a puffy slim flat chested 0cup girl. PM me. I have nasty contacts to trade!

DoctorOral
11-04-12, 21:22
As seen in Kazantip.

http://trinixy.ru/37499-devushki-kazantipa-136-foto-nyu.html


Anyone has contact to a puffy slim flat chested 0cup girl. PM me. I have nasty contacts to trade!

Kotik01
11-05-12, 01:28
- Trains are OK, in case you book "Coupe", at least (2'nd class). However, end of year always difficult to book tickets on the spot. Do it in advance.I agree too. Do it a lot in advance. Because many people buy a bunch of tickets and try o sell them with more higher price.

I bought last time this 2 people coupe. Was not really worth the money. Even more expensive than to take the plane.

And Tv also was not working in the coupe. (but who needs if you take some music with you and some bottles of wine=

Anyway: train ride can be very funny if beeing in good company and you are used to sleep in this bed with the typical train noise in background.

Kotik01
11-05-12, 01:41
Hello,

I will be next week in Kiev and want to meet girls. Unfortunately I cannot use hotel for meeting, therefore I thought about visiting a banja with one or two ladies. Can someone advise a banja near city center which is working already on afternoon?

With regard to Gia: Last year I had date with some of their girls. Pictures on the net are generally okay and you can rely on their services. I can recommend Olga (

http://gia.la/photo/olga10/18.jpg

). What I do not like is their high prices. Especially in comparison to Buddha Bar or Avalon.There is one Banja at Malaya Zhitomyrskaya. Was there one time. Think its working 24/7 but I am not sure. As usual: Thinks can change everyday in Kyiv. I was little drunken when have been there, but as far I remember it was good. There is even a sign outside.

Gia:

Blayt. One of my actual girlfriends is working for Gia. Could fill a book about stories from my alcoholic GF.

In general Gia changes some rules and put more pictures from real-life of the girls on their page. Some customers complained about too much Photoshop.

But if you order from Gia: they have some apartments you can use.

I really have no own opinion about GIA, never used that servis.

Try it: if you not like: send them home.

You will not get problems anyway.

I just can mention that we always too nice to the girls. They really not need that and even laughing about customers. I some cases: too much politeness can be contra-productive.

But: depends what you want, and how is your nature.

AColonizer
11-05-12, 18:08
I see you are a beginner. For those girls and for those prices in Gia, I could invite you in Italy and I could make you enjoy the most beautiful country in the world and, at the same time, you could try some young Romanian and you could get something more and, at the last, your travel would be less expensive.


Hello,

I will be next week in Kiev and want to meet girls. Unfortunately I cannot use hotel for meeting, therefore I thought about visiting a banja with one or two ladies. Can someone advise a banja near city center which is working already on afternoon?

With regard to Gia: Last year I had date with some of their girls. Pictures on the net are generally okay and you can rely on their services. I can recommend Olga (

http://gia.la/photo/olga10/18.jpg

). What I do not like is their high prices. Especially in comparison to Buddha Bar or Avalon.

PeterCavell
11-05-12, 23:36
This report is from a visit to Ukraine a few months ago. Just joined ISG, so writing about my past mongering experiences.

Google around for a bit and decided to contact this place:

http://www.salondolly.com/index.php/en/Contacts/

Arranged for a girl to come to my apartment late one night. The girl was Alisa and she matches the pictures on the site. Beautiful tattoo on her back, petite, pert, and very proud of her body. I rented a very nice apartment in Kyiv and this did wonders. She spent the first few minutes checking out the apartment and was obviously impressed. I was busy checking her out, of course, and was equally impressed, especially as she had stripped down to some sexy black lingerie before her tour. I had agreed on the Kiss & Body Massage + Classic for 450 grivnas. We headed to the bedroom and she took off her underwear, revealing a perfect body. Her ass and tits were incredibly firm and she had a darker complexion, which I prefer. The massage itself was fairly average, but she loved showing off her body, so the experience itself was excellent. The body massage was heavenly, with her well oiled tits rubbing against my whole body. My only complaint would be that the "kiss" part of the massage was a bit of a joke. It basically consisted of about a half dozen half-hearted kisses on my nipples, ears, and neck. But given how hot she was, I didn't complain.

She hinted at extras, but I was tired and more in the mood for her to finish me off on her own. She ended up straddling me, facing forward, so her naked ass was about 8 inches from my face. As she jerked me off, she spread her legs and the view was frankly incredible. I came more quickly than I was hoping to, because I couldn't help being incredibly turned on, and she didn't give me any breaks. The massage ended up being about 45 minutes instead of an hour, but I was too tired and relaxed to care.

The experience was positive overall, but mostly because she was so damn good looking. Otherwise, the rushed service and average massage would have left a sour impression. Instead, I'm hoping to make it back to Kiev one of these days and see my 'girl with the dragon tattoo' as she called herself :P.

P

AlbertaGuy
11-06-12, 02:31
Just log in with Facebook and avoid all the hassle. I started doing that and no more issues. Just edit your FB profile to avoid any issues.Thanks Paul. Still having issues though. Logging in with FB doesn't help. If I delete my profile and try to reactivate, will their face recognition block me? Seems like the best contacts for town are on Mamba though.

AlbertaGuy
11-06-12, 03:02
Just log in with Facebook and avoid all the hassle. I started doing that and no more issues. Just edit your FB profile to avoid any issues.Thanks Paul. Still have issues, logging in with fb doesn't seem to help. Some great contacts on Mamba but unless I can get real status, I'm hooped. There's no way around it I guess. Any help is most welcome. Definitely looking forward to my time over there *drools*

Shevchenko
11-06-12, 07:44
Dear Rio Veterans,

Has anybody successfully met with a girl from Rio privately?

I've only taken out two girls from Rio. I really liked one of them and so asked her if we can get together privately, and her answer was because she is so busy being a student and working at Rio, as they always say, I can only see her at Rio.

I'm wondering if they say they are busy, so they don't have to get together with clients privately. Or they want to avoid getting together with clients, being afraid of being found out by Rio?

Any thoughts are appreciated.

LilJoey
11-06-12, 09:28
Dear Rio Veterans,

Has anybody successfully met with a girl from Rio privately?

I've only taken out two girls from Rio. I really liked one of them and so asked her if we can get together privately, and her answer was because she is so busy being a student and working at Rio, as they always say, I can only see her at Rio.

I'm wondering if they say they are busy, so they don't have to get together with clients privately. Or they want to avoid getting together with clients, being afraid of being found out by Rio?

Any thoughts are appreciated.What you are wondering, has all been wondered on this thread before. Only succeeded once to have a girl come over to my apartment during the day. The girl was a hot blond and very satisfying. I had taken her out multiple times before that. She finally agreed to a daytime date. Unfortunately, she has moved on and no longer works at Rio. Your reasoning is correct. They don't want to be found out, they are tired from working all night plus some have a university schedule and they do need to sleep. So really there is not much time in their daytime hours for yet another date prior to their beginning an all night shift at the club. Think about it from their perspective. A human being needs some down time. For daytime action, mamba. Ru is the go to favorite on this thread. I have seen the wonders it can produce if effort is invested. Also you can get numbers at the clubs and then set dates with those girls during daytime. Forget about Rio girls during the day. You're just giving yourself a headache. It's next to impossible. If you're one of those who run out of sexual steam late, late at night, just try to get to the club early, soon after opening, and take out whoever you like in the pre-midnight hours. Or use the daytime to broaden your horizons and bang chicks from mamba or those you pick up at nightclubs. Don't torture yourself dreaming about a romance with a Rio girl. I have seen reports on this thread claiming to have achieved it, but it is very rare.

LJ

Naykan
11-06-12, 14:15
Hi Pedro,

Hope you are fine.

I was reading your last Kiev trip about model girls from agency but you did not mention anything after all.

How was it?

Did you score the models or failed?

Thanks in advance.

Naykan

Climaxnow
11-06-12, 16:32
- the fallen Germany, where men go just for a sexual coitus, and not for the girls' beauty, and not the girls' performance, and I never shall go there;

- the funny Ukraine, where P4P is not easy as silly men talk, but where girls are still real female.I thought this was a simple and accurate quote by AC to describe the difference between Fkk's and Kiev. It's really amazing how personal even arranged appointments with prostitutes can feel in Ukraine.

Climaxnow
11-06-12, 21:40
I just wanted to mention that I am having a lot of luck on VKontate. If you find a girl on Mamba, it's worth asking if they have a profile on VK. Once you find a girl open to business, you will want to bounce around the friend lists and solicit sponsorets. Most will ignore you, many will tell you to "fuck off", but sooner or later you will find a lead.

Keep in mind that a lot of Ukrainian girls really do enjoy fucking strange men as long as it is in there parameters.

Shevchenko
11-07-12, 05:25
Liljoy,

Thanks for your input.

In fact I even asked her if she would go on a trip to somewhere like Turkish coast, and she said that I would have to pay Rio several hundred dollars a day to do such things. Have you or anybody tried this path?

LilJoey
11-07-12, 11:15
Liljoy,

Thanks for your input.

In fact I even asked her if she would go on a trip to somewhere like Turkish coast, and she said that I would have to pay Rio several hundred dollars a day to do such things. Have you or anybody tried this path?She has opened for you the pathway she prefers. Arrange whatever you want for daytime action while she is at the club and pay her for it in advance while there.

There was a Rio girl that I was enamored of when I had just begun going to the club, that I thought I would enjoy being with all day too. In the end, she agreed and we settled on a price of $400 for all night plus another $400 for all day, for a total of $800 for a complete 24 hour period. We left Rio at about 10:00 PM and I didn't bring her back to the club until 10:00 PM the following evening. In retrospect, I felt afterwards that I wasn't getting enough out of it, and I never repeated such an approach again.

I will run through my thoughts and analysis on the topic as some of what I considered, might be useful to you, or others. Economically. 24 hours divides into $800, for a Net Rate of only $33 / hour, which is not a bad rate. But the question is, what are you receiving for $33 / hour? Looking at it analytically, in a long term multiple hours date package there are three broad categories of time being paid for. These include the time spent in actual sexual activities, as well as non-sexual companionship time for anything from simply cuddling and / or kissing to any and all activities one might want to do with a pretty, sexy young girl on one's arm, as well as significant down time (8. 10 hours) for sleeping etc. Included in the 24 hour period.

While it is easier to arrive at a conclusion as the the correct value in Kiev for time spent in sexual services, it is not as clear what should be the proper rate for non-sexual mere companionship time included in such a package, and this can be debated.

But first one must identify a reasonable estimate of the number of hours if each type of activity included within a 24 consecutive hour period with the same girl. The sexual services component must be approached by a man first evaluating his own capacity to engage in sex within a 24 hour period, as well as the duration for that man of each sex session. Each guy is different, but as an example, let's take a guy who can engage in various parts of a sexual session, such as kissing, and giving the girl cunnilingus, receiving oral sex from the girl (BJ) , as well as various multiple positions for intercourse, until he reaches an ejaculation over a period of 60 minutes or even, let's say up to 90 minutes. And let's further assume, that this "typical" guy can desire to and can actually engage in such 90 minute sex sessions at least three times over a 24 consecutive hour period with the same girl. Three times 90 minutes translates into 4. 5 hours of actual sexual activity as a reasonable estimate for a statistically significant percentage of men over a 24 consecutive hour period with the same girl. To make the analysis easier, let's take 4 hours as the estimated amount of time that will be spent in actual sexual acts over the 24 hour date. That means the balance of the time. 20 hours is non-sexual companionship time. Going a step further, although some guys will actually enjoy sleeping with a pretty, young girl in their arms, I am one of those people that cannot fall asleep easily. For me, I prefer to sleep alone in my bed, or at least not bodily entangled with a female, and she has her side of the bed, and I have mine. So for me, sleeping with the girl, has no value, and in fact is a hindrance that ruins the quality of my sleep, and that I would not pay for. Therefore, I would subtract the 10 hours of down time used for sleeping etc. From the 24 hours date.

Therefore, my conclusion is that a 24 consecutive hour date with the same girl can be reasonably estimated to contain an approximate 4 hours of sexual activity, plus about 10 hours of non-sexual companionship type activities, and the balance of 10 hours down time should not even be considered as paid for.

Breaking it down in this way, I came to realize that I was paying for 4 hours of actual continuous sexual activity, for which a reasonable value would be $300. $400 value in Kiev at $100 / hour, which meant that I was paying the other $400 for 10 hours of non-sexual companionship type time, or about $40 / hour for 10 hours of such time.

Those, I felt, were the actual economics of what I had done, with the $800 for a 24 hour date with the Rio girl. Was it worth it? Probably the price was ok, and not a complete rip off, although some guys might debate that. But the real question for me was whether I sufficiently enjoyed what I had purchased, enough to do it again in the future. I came down on the side of saying,"No." It was nice for a one time thing, but I wouldn't repeat, as my enjoyment factor wasn't high enough. I concluded that I would keep to the mongering model of having a girl for around 3 hours at night to have sex and some companionship time, and then send her home, so I could get a good sleep. And then if I felt horny during the day, to summon another girl for a sexual romp if an hour or two in the afternoon. These two sex sessions could be $400. $500, depending on the hotness of the girl and negotiating skills. And I would do just fine without the female companionship during the rest of my time, unless it was freebie.

As for your plan to take a girl on an actual vacation, you should choose a destination that requires no visa for Ukrainians, as that's a hassle and cost to deal with. Also, in negotiation, you must press the fact that whatever price she comes up with for a take out date from Rio lasting for a couple of days, there must be subtracted the value of the enjoyment you will also be providing her with, of the vacation experience.

LJ

YellowPaul
11-08-12, 03:03
.

As for your plan to take a girl on an actual vacation, you should choose a destination that requires no visa for Ukrainians, as that's a hassle and cost to deal with.

LJLJ a nice analysis. This is a interesting topic as ironically I'm flying out a 22 year old Ukrainian girl whom I have never met yet to Dominican Republic next month. She is "regular" non-mamba but you never really know with these girls. She almost cancelled the trip originally when I told her I was 20 years older then her. Which is actually a good thing as I find the experience more rewarding and safer then the "semi-pro" Mamba girls who might see 2, 3.4 different guys a week.

I'm not paying her anything but the airfare from Kiev to Punta Cana is not cheap either but I figure I'm paying $300 a day for unlimited sex and companionship.

Anybody up for meeting up in Kiev in late January or early Feb. ?

LilJoey
11-08-12, 08:36
LJ a nice analysis. This is a interesting topic as ironically I'm flying out a 22 year old Ukrainian girl whom I have never met yet to Dominican Republic next month. She is "regular" non-mamba but you never really know with these girls. She almost cancelled the trip originally when I told her I was 20 years older then her. Which is actually a good thing as I find the experience more rewarding and safer then the "semi-pro" Mamba girls who might see 2, 3.4 different guys a week.

I'm not paying her anything but the airfare from Kiev to Punta Cana is not cheap either but I figure I'm paying $300 a day for unlimited sex and companionship.

Anybody up for meeting up in Kiev in late January or early Feb.?Hi YP, it so happens that Dominican Republic is a favored destination for me as well, especially when the airfares get low (under $400). It is also a country that does not require a visa for nationals of many countries. However, to fly girls out to the Dominican Republic from Ukraine, without a visa, one must necessarily avoid any stopover landings in any USA airport in the flight itinerary. That eliminates a lot of the flight plans using familiar USA airlines, and their lower airfares, as they all will touch down at their hub in the USA, coming from Europe, in order to change planes for the flight from the USA to the Dominican Republic. That leaves European airlines, where the stopover in the flight from Ukraine is in a European country that does not require a visa for Ukrainians who remain in the airport as transit passengers. Of note, Air Berlin, a lower cost airline, started flying from Germany to the Dominican Republic. The airfare is one of the major challenges and investments that all those adult vacation businesses operating in the DR also face, in bringing EE girls out to tge DR. So I'm wondering what air travel arrangements you made for your self-designed adult vacation in the Dominican Republic?

A 2nd question that I had is how you can guarantee "unlimited sex" every day, with a girl who is not a WG, or is not even a "semi-pro", but rather is an unsullied regular girl? Unless you have already romanced the pants off the said young maiden on a previous visit to Ukraine, and you know she can and will provide the sex-a-thon you seek, how do you know what will happen when she arrives in the DR to vacation with you? Your individual concepts of how the vacation is to play out, sex-wise, may be miles apart. Has she at least verbally declared her decadence and promised you that she will daily fuck you within an inch of your life, leaving you to hobble your way to the resort's pool each day, like over-shtupped Warren Beatty in the old movie Shampoo (circa 1975) , where he played a hair-dresser who had to fuck one lady "client" after another until he was visibly at the edge of sexual exhaustion and could barely walk (my favorite scene)?

Anyway, I have often invited superior sex performers whom I have met in Ukraine, or even in FKK's in Austria and Germany, who I felt were very beautiful, to join me for a vacation in the DR, but so far it has remained in the discussion stage. So I'm very interested in the logistics and costs of actually pulling it off, and any info details will be most appreciated.

LJ

Shevchenko
11-08-12, 20:39
It' s getting interesting for me as well.

First, thanks for your analysis, Liljoy.

The girl actually said $500 a day to me. Then I think I made a mistake. I said, 'That's not bad. That's cheap! ' Now she or Rio may jack up the price. It's actually not that cheap when I have to pay for her airfare, accommodation and food as well.

$400 airfare to bring a girl from Ukraine to DR? Is that what you are saying, Liljoy?

I had not thought about DR. The girl and I were initially considering Italy, but since she needs an EU visa to go to Italy, I was thinking about Maldives instead. The cost may skyrocket. I might consider DR.

But from the Ukrainian girls' point of view, why DR, when they can more easily go to Turkey, Egipt or Tunisia?

Haint69
11-09-12, 01:10
As a daily reader of this forum who has not been to the Ukraine yet, this is a subject I know a good bit. The best way to book a flight for a Ukrainian girl to the DR is to book the flight through Air France. They have a one-stop, round-trip flight to Punta Cana for about 1500. I stayed at all inclusive resorts, so that was another 900. Then with my flight, and and spending money, it brought the total for a week of great sex with a hot Ukrainian girl in the paradise of the DR to about 3200. That comes to about 500 a day, which is pretty reasonable for the daily expensive of a sexy girl who hasn't had sex with a thousand guys! I have one girl that I have taken there 3 times, and another that has been with me once there. I have two more girls that are just waiting for there passports before they can travel there, and I can't wait to take them there! Even though both girls are normal and not wg's or semi-pros, they were very aware of the amount of sex I wanted to have with them through our emails and Skype chats, and it was never a problem. With both girls, I had sex at least once a day, and most times 2-3 times a day, most of the time with them being the aggressors!

Shevchenko
11-09-12, 08:05
Haint69,

Thanks for the info.

I guess the plane stops in Paris. Did they not have to stay overnight in Paris?

So how do yo find those innocent Ukrainian girls? Mamba?

Haint69
11-09-12, 16:47
Haint69,

Thanks for the info.

I guess the plane stops in Paris. Did they not have to stay overnight in Paris?

So how do yo find those innocent Ukrainian girls? Mamba?It's about a 12 hour flight with a 2 hour stop in Paris. I have had some success with the pay marriage sites, finding regular girls who want to eventually get married, but are still open to having fun and traveling.

LilJoey
11-09-12, 22:57
It' s getting interesting for me as well.

First, thanks for your analysis, Liljoy.

The girl actually said $500 a day to me. Then I think I made a mistake. I said, 'That's not bad. That's cheap! ' Now she or Rio may jack up the price. It's actually not that cheap when I have to pay for her airfare, accommodation and food as well.

$400 airfare to bring a girl from Ukraine to DR? Is that what you are saying, Liljoy?

I had not thought about DR. The girl and I were initially considering Italy, but since she needs an EU visa to go to Italy, I was thinking about Maldives instead. The cost may skyrocket. I might consider DR.

But from the Ukrainian girls' point of view, why DR, when they can more easily go to Turkey, Egipt or Tunisia?Dear Schevchenko, you mixed together different things. My post was about $400 price for all night take out from Rio strip club in Kiev to my apartment in Kiev. That had nothing to do with bringing a girl to the DR. In that post, I related that once I took a Rio girl out in Kiev for a full 24 hour period for another $400, totaling $800 for 24 hours. And my analysis was about what was actually being received for that amount and whether it had been worth it to me.

Then on a totally different question raised by Yellowpaul about his desire to take a Ukrainian girl and fly her out to Dominican Republic, I asked about the airfare involved, and about how he was guaranteeing unlimited sex, if the girl was not even a semi-pro. Yellowpaul and Haint69 are talking about Ukrainian girls in general who are not professional strippers and Working Girls (sex for money) , just regular girls, being brought to the Dominican Republic.

You, Schevchenko, were the only one talking about taking out specifically a Rio girl, and you and I were discussing that you might be able to do it if you arranged it through the club, and paid the girl for the number of days of the vacation while at the club in advance. I don't know anyone who took a Rio girl by arrangement through the club on a vacation. I seem to remember a report somewhere back on the thread of a fellow who took a girl on a vacation to Maldives but I don't remember if he got the girl from Rio, or some other source. I think that taking a Rio girl for a vacation will be more costly that what Yellowpaul and Haint69 are suggesting. They are taking regular Ukrainian girls on a vacation. There is no expense except the travel expenses for the girl and themselves. However, a Rio girl will likely add a demand of compensation for her time and services as an escort, in addition to paying all her travel expenses. But you may prefer the Rio girl anyway, for these purposes, despite the added escort costs, for several reasons. When the services are paid for there is no question about your expectation to receive them and the girl's agreement to provide them. There is no ambiguity about their role. Haint69 writes that in respect to this concern he makes certain that there is a clear understanding by the non-pro regular girl about the sex he is expecting from them if he brings them out on a vacation. Another advantage of taking a Rio girl might be that since you have been with her already in Kiev and tried out the merchandise, there is no question or uncertainty of what the sex will be like. You already told me in your initial question that you wanted to invite one of the Rio girls you had taken out and really like. I've been there, buddy. There are some really nice, sexy girls that I've become smitten with that I met at Rio, and that I would love to vacation with and make a "honeymoon" with. The other two fellows seem to be shopping online and taking girls they haven't previously had sex with out on a vacation, and they are hoping for the best.

But this issue of where the girl comes from aside (I. E. Rio girl or other pro, versus a regular girl from a dating website) , the issue I wanted more info about was the costs and logistics.

Haint69 advocates Air France for bringing Ukrainian girls to the Dominican Republic for about $1500. I will just mention that I think it is possible to shave off a few hundred from the cost of her air tickets by using Air Berlin flights to Punta Cana (PUJ) originating from either Dusseldorf or Munich, by flying her from Kiev to one of those airports to connect with the Air Berlin flight to the DR.

The reason that they prefer the destination of the DR probably is the same as mine. I reside in the US, and I can get relatively cheap flights to the DR, with a relatively short travel time. So my own travel plan will be easy. If you reside in Turkey or some other Medditerranean country, it might, in fact, be easier for you to vacation with the girl in Turkey, Egypt or Maldives. BTW, in Dominican Republic it is not illegal for an adult girl to take money for sexual services. That may be a reason it is a favored location for many adult vacation companies. Just do a search on Google for adult vacations and you will find many are based in the DR.

LJ

Shevchenko
11-10-12, 08:57
Dear Liljoy,

" it so happens that Dominican Republic is a favored destination for me as well, especially when the airfares get low (under $400)."

I was talking about this $400 you mentioned, but I now realize you were probably talking about the flight between NY and DR.

Hmmm, I'm not sure if this girl from Rio, who seems to be inexperienced in traveling, would be willing to fly all the way from Kiev to DR for herself. I also reside in the US. I thought I would have to leave Kiev with her for wherever we decide to go. That is why I was thinking of Maldives. I also don't feel like going to those regular destinations for Ukrainians or Russians like Turkey, Egypt or Tunisia. But I'm just wondering if girls in Kiev would prefer DR to Turkey, Egypt or Tunisia.

DoctorOral
11-10-12, 12:09
Please open a thread for travel arrangements, will you.

This here is about Kiev.

BTW. Where is my skinny blondes with 0tits?

Jojosun
11-10-12, 13:51
Dear Schevchenko, you mixed together different things. My post

The reason that they prefer the destination of the DR probably is the same as mine. I reside in the US, and I can get relatively cheap flights to the DR, with a relatively short travel time. So my own travel plan will be easy. If you reside in Turkey or some other Medditerranean country, it might, in fact, be easier for you to vacation with the girl in Turkey, Egypt or Maldives. BTW, in Dominican Republic it is not illegal for an adult girl to take money for sexual services. That may be a reason it is a favored location for many adult vacation companies. Just do a search on Google for adult vacations and you will find many are based in the DR.

LJEnjoyed reading LJ's In depth cost analysis and favored destinations, But, Surprise, surprise. I never thought I will see the Day when Liljoy makes a Spelling Mistake.

"Turkey or some other Medditerranean country".

I guess with Liljoey it was a Typing issue, and not Spelling.

Unlike the case with Ex President Dan Quayle with his way of spelling (Potato).

He loved Spelling it with an (e) at the end.

Jojosun
11-10-12, 14:11
Dear Schevchenko,

So my own travel plan will be easy. If you reside in Turkey or some other (Medditerranean) country,

LJThere is comfort for me (for me or to me?) in watching (Brain Of USA) at the time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdqbi66oNuI.

AColonizer
11-10-12, 16:35
There is already: "Travel Announcements Only (No questions or comments please)".


Please open a thread for travel arrangements, will you.

This here is about Kiev.

BTW. Where is my skinny blondes with 0tits?

Jojosun
11-10-12, 20:35
Enjoyed reading LJ's In depth cost analysis and favored destinations, But, Surprise, surprise. I never thought I will see the Day.This is to the Old Prick sitting next to me right now reading this.

You have been to Kiev 3 times this year, Where are your posts.

Stop Lurking and grammer checking the Kiev thread. Start posting.

I know (I never thought I would the day).

LilJoey
11-10-12, 20:55
Dear Liljoy,

" it so happens that Dominican Republic is a favored destination for me as well, especially when the airfares get low (under $400)."

I was talking about this $400 you mentioned, but I now realize you were probably talking about the flight between NY and DR.

Hmmm, I'm not sure if this girl from Rio, who seems to be inexperienced in traveling, would be willing to fly all the way from Kiev to DR for herself. I also reside in the US. I thought I would have to leave Kiev with her for wherever we decide to go. That is why I was thinking of Maldives. I also don't feel like going to those regular destinations for Ukrainians or Russians like Turkey, Egypt or Tunisia. But I'm just wondering if girls in Kiev would prefer DR to Turkey, Egypt or Tunisia.That's a hell of a lot of flying for you to do! As far as the girl being afraid to travel all the way to DR on her own because she is not experienced as a traveler, I suppose it depends on the personality of the individual girl. Some are timid, and some are adventurers. A couple of Rio girls, including one of my favorites, just departed on a vacation to Mexico. Despite my begging, my favorita refused to allow me to join with them or meet them in Mexico, and my offers to pay didn't budge her. They are going

I don't know the answer about whether Ukrainian girls would prefer DR to the closer more usual destinations like Egypt or Turkey. Some of them have gotten to those nearer destinations on their own, and don't need help from you, so maybe the fact that you're paying will make DR attractive.

LilJoey
11-10-12, 21:09
Enjoyed reading LJ's In depth cost analysis and favored destinations, But, Surprise, surprise. I never thought I will see the Day when Liljoy makes a Spelling Mistake.

"Turkey or some other Medditerranean country".

I guess with Liljoey it was a Typing issue, and not Spelling.

Unlike the case with Ex President Dan Quayle with his way of spelling (Potato).

He loved Spelling it with an (e) at the end.You have found out my weakness, Jojosun. When there is Kryptonite in my immediate vicinity, I lose the ability to properly spell and have been caught red-handed by you leaving off the "e" from Turkeye.

LOL.

I am one if those whom Big Brother has seen fit in His great wisdom, to deny the ability to correct and edit my masterpieces. Hence they will stand for all eternity full of spelling flaws, mostly introduced by my iPhone's auto-spell function into my meticulous prose. In this I join the ranks of other great writers on this thread.

So I stand corrected.

LilJoey
11-10-12, 21:17
Please open a thread for travel arrangements, will you.

This here is about Kiev.

BTW. Where is my skinny blondes with 0tits?Dear Dr O.

I wouldn't dismiss this discussion so cavalierly, since under discussion is the best way to have sex with Kiev girls, a matter which pertains to the kind of girls you are interested in also.

Apart from the purely economic considerations, which I will take up in a moment, taking a Kiev girl on a vacation versus having sex with her in Kiev, raises for our consideration the following pros and cons:

Vacation Cons:

In Kiev one can have a large variety of different pro or semi-pro girls for a low price, whereas on a vacation one is necessarily limited to the girl one took on the vacation for the duration.

Vacation Pros:

In a vacation scenario, it would seem an easier feat to get a regular girl to agree to freebie sex in return for the enticement of a beautiful vacation, than when trying to bed such a girl in Kiev based solely on your own "game".

In Kiev, all your sex during the winter will be in a drab city that is pretty cold, and often freezing, whereas the locale of a vacation date can be luxuriously warm and romantic.

That's all I could think of at the moment, in terms of pros and cons of having the sex in Kiev versus taking a Kiev girl on a vacation. I'm sure others can think of more aspects to consider.

As for the economic costs comparison, it is clear that the week long vacation in the DR with the girl from Ukraine (with sex up to 2 or 3 times each day) , will cost far less than traveling to Kiev and paying for girls there for an equivalent amount of sex. The numbers speak for themselves!

Airfare from New York to Kiev can be as low as $621 on Aeroflot. A week to rent a luxury apartment downtown Kiev at $110 / night will be $770. Food for a week can be estimated at $500, especially if one makes good use of the full kitchen in the apartment. So travel related costs for a week long trip from NY to Kiev total $1891. Adding taxi costs and incidentals, it's about $2000.

To achieve the equivalent of the sex possible on a week vacation with a girl, one should assume 2 to 3 times sex each 24 hour day, plus continuous companionship.

What would it cost to have a mamba girl whose base rate is $75 / hr or $100 / hr stay with you for a complete 24 hour day? For a full week?

Probably a 24 hour date could be gotten for maybe $400, but more likely $500, depending on the girl. A week would not cost simply a multiple of that fee by seven. There would be some discounting. I can't see many girls turning down a flat fee of $2000 for a week long booking, since that is a huge amount for a Ukrainian, and such a booking comes along very rarely. Only a girl who is routinely taking in over $400 every night would look at it as losing money. So I'm guesstimating one could get an agreement for a weeklong companion for $2000, or maybe $2500 in Kiev.

Sex with three mamba girls each day for two to three hours each, would cost between $400 to $500 each day, depending on the girl, which over the week would cost more than a package deal for a one week booking with just one girl. But the allure of variety may dictate this choice anyways.

But using the guesstimate of $2500 for a week long booking in Kiev, plus the $2000 travel costs of traveling from NY to Kiev, we see that the total costs comes out to about $4500.

So if you compare the cost of travelling to Kiev for a week long date with a girl of $4500, to the costs of bringing that girl out to the Dominican Republic for a week long vacation (around $3400) , you can see that the vacation idea has economic merit.

I arrived at the $3400 figure for a DR week long vacation as follows: $1500 girl airfare + $500 your own airfare + $1400 resort costs = $3400.

Resort costs: Many high end (4 and 5 stars) all-inclusive resorts in Punta Cana, DR cost in the area of $200 / night, so a week there at a good high end resort, would cost around $1400. Yes you can go cheaper, but I'm comparing to luxury accommodations possible in high end luxury apartments in downtown Kiev, so it's more properly compared to the high end resorts.

LJ

AcesKing2
11-10-12, 22:50
You guys mentioned flying girls to DR without ever being to Ukraine, where do you meet the girl that agrees to such arrangement?

Thanks in advance.

Shevchenko
11-11-12, 08:46
"I arrived at the $3400 figure for a DR week long vacation as follows: $1500 girl airfare + $500 your own airfare + $1400 resort costs = $3400."

Are you only talking about bringing a freebee to DR?

Tomux 22
11-11-12, 10:44
You guys mentioned flying girls to DR without ever being to Ukraine, where do you meet the girl that agrees to such arrangement?

Thanks in advance.You can find plenty at tgs site. But be careful, some will try to scam you, most pretend to be high class but are not and so on.

LilJoey
11-11-12, 10:47
You guys mentioned flying girls to DR without ever being to Ukraine, where do you meet the girl that agrees to such arrangement?

Thanks in advance.There are social websites like vkontakte, and of course the website mamba. Ru which is also a social website, but in which in Ukraine, and especially Kiev, many of the profiles are from escorts seeking clients. You need to read this Kiev thread to learn how to use mamba for finding girls of various types. There are also websites such as travel girls. Com set up essentially for the purpose of travel hook ups. Also mentioned was marriage websites.

In general, my opinion is that taking a girl whom one has never met, and never had sex with before, on an expensive vacation, is a gamble. My preference would be to invite a girl that you know and have had sex with before, so the nature of what will happen is more assured. However, you have read the recent posting by Haint69 wherein he writes that he communicates by email and Skype sufficiently to assure himself of what the girl looks like and that she knows about and is interested in having sex with him. He takes a gamble on whether she will do as she said.

You have to use your own judgment on this, as there are no guarantees.

LJ

Jojosun
11-11-12, 13:50
You have found out my weakness, Jojosun. When there is Kryptonite in my immediate vicinity, I lose the ability to properly spell and have been caught red-handed by you leaving off the "e" from Turkeye.

LOL.

So I stand corrected.Not bothered about TURK_ Eye.

It was the (DD) that caught my eye in your post."Turkey or some other Medditerranean country".

I am into Big Tits.

Jojosun
11-11-12, 14:02
You have found out my weakness, Jojosun. When there is Kryptonite in my immediate vicinity, I lose the ability to properly spell and have been caught red-handed by you leaving off the "e" from Turkeye.When you take a UA girl to Turkey, then you Stick "e" at the end.

Here you go "Republic of Turkey.

Tόrkiye Cumhuriyeti".

Wonder if they do have a Turkish Dan Quayle?

Jojosun
11-11-12, 14:07
Unlike the case with Ex President Dan Quayle with his way of spelling (Potato).Operative word (VICE) didn't pop up there.

But you know what I am Saying.

LilJoey
11-11-12, 17:25
"I arrived at the $3400 figure for a DR week long vacation as follows: $1500 girl airfare + $500 your own airfare + $1400 resort costs = $3400."

Are you only talking about bringing a freebee to DR?Yes, Schevchenko, in that estimate I was only talking about the travel costs along the lines of the others (Haint69 and Yellowpaul) who were talking about bringing out regular girls to the DR for a sexy vacation. Those girls were coming because they were being offered a free vacation, albeit one in which they would be having sex with their benefactor. However, as I pointed out to you in my earlier post, when you try to take a Working Girl (WG) on such a vacation, whether she is a Rio girl, or a less expensive girl from mamba. Ru, she will inevitably demand money for her pussy, over and above getting the free vacation. Unlike a regular girl, a WG is conditioned to selling her pussy and using her pussy to extract as much money from men as she can. The best you can do with a WG in such a circumstance is to negotiate a very reduced pussy price in recognition of her receiving the value of a free vacation. So for example, in the case of the Rio girl who you wrote gave you a price of $500 per day, you might try to get her to agree to a reduced flat rate package fee for a week that is less than simply multiplying $500 x 7. So instead of $3500 for a week, maybe she will accept $2500 or $2000 for a week. You should advocate that the cost of the travel tickets should be accounted for by a reduction in the escort fee she wants. However, taking a WG on a vacation will definitely add costs to the type of vacation that the others were talking about when they discussed inviting regular girls. A WG will look at it by analyzing how much pussy money she will be losing by leaving her escort work to go on a vacation with you. Whereas a regular girl won't have such a calculation, and will give it up in exchange for free travel.

LJ

LilJoey
11-11-12, 17:29
Not bothered about TURK_ Eye.

It was the (DD) that caught my eye in your post."Turkey or some other Medditerranean country".

I am into Big Tits.You mean there is a spelling of Turkey that has an "e" at the end? I didn't know that. I was purely going for the humor. Of course, I understood you spotted the incorrect dd.

LJ

Prosal
11-11-12, 18:16
Airfare from New York to Kiev can be as low as $621 on Aeroflot. A week to rent a luxury apartment downtown Kiev at $110 / night will be $770. Food for a week can be estimated at $500, especially if one makes good use of the full kitchen in the apartment. So travel related costs for a week long trip from NY to Kiev total $1891. Adding taxi costs and incidentals, it's about $2000.Hum. You never drink, never party? Just search for sex? Sad indeed.

Jojosun
11-11-12, 18:32
You mean there is a spelling of Turkey that has an "e" at the end? I didn't know that. I was purely going for the humor. Of course, I understood you spotted the incorrect dd.

LJWasn't much of an Acadamic in my previous life (hence my spelling and grammer) , but I continue with my studies on Wikipedia University. .

This is the official name for it in Turkey.

"Tόrkiye Cumhuriyeti".

AlbertaGuy
11-12-12, 00:58
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Have a date set with Anna. Should be good. Having some luck on VKontate as well. The search function for "Actively Searching" is handy. HOT ladies there, and more real than Mamba. Google translate is not very good, but learning Russian is likely impossible for me. I'll have a tablet that I can use for translation, but it will be slow. Hopefully my pals and I can find some English speaking girls at the clubs. I'll see if some comrades on here want to join us next month ass well. 2 friends and I. 2 weeks in Kiev. Luxury Penthouse. Pussy Focus.

Questner
11-12-12, 04:47
"I arrived at the $3400 figure for a DR week long vacation as follows: $1500 girl airfare + $500 your own airfare + $1400 resort costs = $3400."

Are you only talking about bringing a freebee to DR?Just stumbled upon this bizarre maths of bringing sand to the beach. Only her share of the airfare on a weekly basis equals RD $ 8, 500 or much more than you need to procure cream of the crop of local pussy, each day new, bused to your resort from the major center.

DoctorOral
11-12-12, 07:23
With ver little! Effort, you will see that these, and I mean all these, are not REAL.

I wonder why you all can't read this forum and learn.

I am not saying the contacts are bad, you might find good lineups in the salons, but not the girl in the picture.

Good luck!

QUOTE=AlbertaGuy; 1347860]800 UAH / hr. Condom only:

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Have a date set with Anna. Should be good. Having some luck on VKontate as well. The search function for "Actively Searching" is handy. HOT ladies there, and more real than Mamba. Google translate is not very good, but learning Russian is likely impossible for me. I'll have a tablet that I can use for translation, but it will be slow. Hopefully my pals and I can find some English speaking girls at the clubs. I'll see if some comrades on here want to join us next month ass well. 2 friends and I. 2 weeks in Kiev. Luxury Penthouse. Pussy Focus.[/QUOTE]

Shevchenko
11-12-12, 08:38
Yes, Schevchenko, in that estimate I was only talking about the travel costs along the lines of the others (Haint69 and Yellowpaul) who were talking about bringing out regular girls to the DR for a sexy vacation. Those girls were coming because they were being offered a free vacation, albeit one in which they would be having sex with their benefactor. However, as I pointed out to you in my earlier post, when you try to take a Working Girl (WG) on such a vacation, whether she is a Rio girl, or a less expensive girl from mamba. Ru, she will inevitably demand money for her pussy, over and above getting the free vacation. Unlike a regular girl, a WG is conditioned to selling her pussy and using her pussy to extract as much money from men as she can. The best you can do with a WG in such a circumstance is to negotiate a very reduced pussy price in recognition of her receiving the value of a free vacation. So for example, in the case of the Rio girl who you wrote gave you a price of $500 per day, you might try to get her to agree to a reduced flat rate package fee for a week that is less than simply multiplying $500 x 7. So instead of $3500 for a week, maybe she will accept $2500 or $2000 for a week. You should advocate that the cost of the travel tickets should be accounted for by a reduction in the escort fee she wants. However, taking a WG on a vacation will definitely add costs to the type of vacation that the others were talking about when they discussed inviting regular girls. A WG will look at it by analyzing how much pussy money she will be losing by leaving her escort work to go on a vacation with you. Whereas a regular girl won't have such a calculation, and will give it up in exchange for free travel.

LJYeah, but the Rio girl said to me I need to pay Rio, not her, $500 a day. (I'm sure she'll receive a cut.) Do you mean to say I can negotiate with Rio?

Thanks

LilJoey
11-12-12, 09:36
Just stumbled upon this bizarre maths of bringing sand to the beach. Only her share of the airfare on a weekly basis equals RD $ 8, 500 or much more than you need to procure cream of the crop of local pussy, each day new, bused to your resort from the major center.You err, my friend, in assuming that mongers who love the looks of Eastern European beauties, such as one can find in Ukraine, would see any significant value in what you call the "cream of the crop" of the local talent in Dominican Republic. It's just not the same. Personally, I happen to enjoy Dominican girls to some extent, and have sampled probably more than 50 in various trips to the DR in locations such as Sosua, Puerto Plata, Blackbeards, Santiago and Santo Domingo. Most of the girls I saw in these places were not to my taste both in terms of the shape and contour of their bodies, as well as facially. But I always found some girls I could work with. So I enjoyed very sexy vacations in the DR with its best girls. But in my personal taste, the beauty and sexiness of the Eastern European hotties I have enjoyed in Kiev completely blows away the best that DR has to offer. It's a completely different level. So bringing Eastern European beauties to the DR, in the view of those who share my attraction to EE beauty, is not at all like bringing sand to the seashore. There are a lot of men who have the same perspective on female beauty as I do, and consider the EE beauties more desirable than the DR local hotties, and there are many ultra-expensive adult vacation businesses set up in the DR to cater to the men who share my taste for the beauty of EE women. Now, of course, I recognize that this is a matter of personal taste.

So if you don't think that the EE beauties from Ukraine are more desirable than the best local DR girls, then you should realize that it's your own personal perspective on female beauty, and that many other men feel differently than you, and see the obvious benefit of having an EE beauty to enjoy while vacationing in the beautiful surroundings that the DR offers, and because EE type beauty is scarce in the DR, and not like sand on the seashore, that it is worthwhile to bring EE girls to the DR to enjoy them in beautiful surroundings.

It's also possible that you haven't been to Ukraine or the DR and simply don't know what you're talking about. But I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you have seen both types of girls, so the difference of opinion is explained by a difference in personal taste.

LilJoey
11-12-12, 10:03
Airfare from New York to Kiev can be as low as $621 on Aeroflot. A week to rent a luxury apartment downtown Kiev at $110 / night will be $770. Food for a week can be estimated at $500, especially if one makes good use of the full kitchen in the apartment. So travel related costs for a week long trip from NY to Kiev total $1891. Adding taxi costs and incidentals, it's about $2000.Hum. You never drink, never party? Just search for sex? Sad indeed.Dear Prosal, of course I drink and like to party, but I do not enjoy traveling to a sex capital and merely getting so drunk that I cannot function on my best level, something you have written that you do enjoy doing sometimes. To each his own. Yes, I admit I enjoy licking and fucking a beautiful girl, more than getting drunk. And I consider the getting drunk thing sad, if you cannot function in the end and enjoy the pussy. So, to each his own.

But, that being said, just how you deduced that I never drink or party from my estimate of travel costs, remains a mystery to me, since such "entertainment" costs are not properly considered under the travel costs side of the cost analysis, but rather would be more properly tabulated when adding up the cost of local girl entertainments. While it is true that on the "entertainment" side of the analysis I only commented on estimating a week's worth of pussy costs, each and every monger is, naturally, free to add in his own special needs and costs.

In your case, I assume you will need to add the costs of a $20k watch and a $15k fur coat, and various other high fashion accoutrements. But you will no doubt admit that yours is a special case that needs to be considered separately, because it does not reflect the type of trip costs that are customary for mere mortal guys.

With the greatest respect for your pussy accomplishments,

LJ

LilJoey
11-12-12, 14:38
800 uah / hr. condom only:

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have a date set with anna. should be good. having some luck on vkontate as well. the search function for "actively searching" is handy. hot ladies there, and more real than mamba. google translate is not very good, but learning russian is likely impossible for me. i'll have a tablet that i can use for translation, but it will be slow. hopefully my pals and i can find some english speaking girls at the clubs. i'll see if some comrades on here want to join us next month ass well. 2 friends and i. 2 weeks in kiev. luxury penthouse. pussy focus.in my last three visits to kiev, i focused almost entirely on mamba. ru girls. i say almost entirely, because let's face it, i couldn't completely kick my habit of going to rio, in part because the girls i get from rio were much better looking. but the price tag on the mamba girls was much lower, and i was beginning to appreciate that. don't get me wrong. i rejected any mamba girl that wasn't very sexy. so the mamba girls who i was keeping were only the hottest ones to show up. therefore, i enjoyed very good sex with those mamba girls. but only one of the mamba girls had looks that were anywhere near the body and face beauty of the best of the girls at the strip club. but in a 4 night weekend, i did mostly mamba girls and only took a hot stripper home on one of the nights.

anyway, what i wanted to tell you is that i have been trying a lot of mamba profiles of p4p girls and although many are fake pictures, some are real (2 out of 10). but that doesn't make so much difference, because even with the fake picture profiles, you might get a girl who is sexy enough to keep for sex. so although doctororal is correct in reminding you of what you should know by doing the necessary level of research by reading this thread for the last year or two at least, and following the links of reports if distinction going even farther back in time, the conclusion to be reached is not to give up on using mamba. instead just know in advance that the majority of mamba p4p girls are using fake pictures, especially those profiles put up by agencies (naked pictures or profiles that are deleted within a week or two, are telltale signs of an agency or girl apartment profile). but nevertheless schedule meetings and send away the girls that aren't to your taste and fuck the girls who are. where are you going to get a hot, sexy, tall blonde or brunette caucasian girl with a gorgeous body and sexy ass for sex for $75 / hour or even $100 / hour? that's right. nowhere else. so have at it.

i am convinced now more than before, that the correct way to go through interviewing all the collected profiles i made contact with and got numbers for, is the way hunter dave told me he does it a long time ago. in the beginning of a trip he schedules serial "speed dates" at several cafes or bars near each other downtown and meets with as many girls as possible in an afternoon, and then schedules real dates with those he likes the most. this is a way of getting to the best contacts you made on mamba. very soon you will have a list of numbers of girls who are your favorites and who will want to come meet with you time and again. the way i did it in my last three trips to kiev, by summoning the girls to my apartment, i only went through a small portion of my mamba contacts because 75 percent of the girls who showed up were hot enough to fuck, but i have no idea how many real gems were among those contacts i never got to meet due to limitations of time.

now what's this you say that google translate is not working for you? currently it's the best we have. so if you want to fuck girls who don't speak english well, you had better learn how to use it enough to put the girl at ease when she comes to your apartment, or even when meeting a girl at a club or on the street or in a store or restaurant. the point is that a girl will not feel comfortable coming to your apartment if communication is impossible. so the burden is on you to show her that communication is possible using the translator, and can even be fun. then you will get the non-english speaking pussy. but let me just check what version of google translate you are using. the iphone application for google translate is wonderful because it allows a short english phrase to be spoken into the iphone and it translates the spoken phrase into russian which can also be played back as an audio file. this is very handy for saying cute or funny things to a girl, so she gets the idea. and she can also speak a russian phrase into the iphone and it will be translated back into english. the audio interface does not work well when there is too much background noise. in such case you must type the phrase. and you should install the russian letter keyboard which you can switch to at a touch, so that the girl can type stuff back to you. so communication is possible. and this opens a precious door for you. the door of ukrainian pussy that doesn't speak english well, and there are a lot of hot chicks behind that door. so google translate is your friend. now with respect to the version of google translate that is available on the google website on the internet, it does not offer the audio capacity, but it is invaluable for corresponding (i'm or email) in writing with girls using russian language on the social websites including mamba. ru. but to make it really useful, you need to install it as a plug in or in a way that allows instant translation of russian text into english, and more particularly, that gives you a menu option when you right-click on your mouse that says "translate into english", as this will enable you to get the english translation of specific text in a profile that is written in russian, or of a specific message that was sent to you on mamba's i'm application. this utility will make using mamba to communicate with russian speaking girls in russian easy to do. but you must be careful when composing messages in russian, to reverse translate them back into english, just to make sure you are saying what you want to say, when you send the message in russian. i repeat these pointers for those that need this info. hope you have been using google translate to good use already. if you have a specific difficulty with using it, let's hear about it.

lj

Me and You
11-12-12, 16:36
I agree with you Doctor Oral, with some experience and effort you can realize t he real girls from the fake-agencies girls.

The last link-girl is real, Victoria is real. I met her already and you can see her fotos in Photo gallery that I have posted in September-October. And she speaks english and italian (I guess she had an italian boy friend). But the first foto in her profile is not her. All the other photos are hers, and she is pretty with green beautiful eyes, but the photos in profile are professional photos with a photoshop.

Good luck

[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1347938]With ver little! Effort, you will see that these, and I mean all these, are not REAL.

QUOTE=AlbertaGuy; 1347860]800 UAH / hr. Condom only:

http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=987075669&hit=3

http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=987316940&hit=3

http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=984709474&hit=3

http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=679354591&hit=3

LilJoey
11-12-12, 17:38
Yeah, but the Rio girl said to me I need to pay Rio, not her, $500 a day. (I'm sure she'll receive a cut.) Do you mean to say I can negotiate with Rio?

ThanksIn all the times I have taken a girl out from Rio, I have NEVER negotiated or paid anything to Rio or its employees for the girl's time when she went out with me. In all cases, I ONLY negotiated with the girl directly and ONLY paid the girl directly.

Therefore, your last statement that the girl told you to pay Rio is suspect to me. You must have misunderstood.

If a girl is considering a date with you, in which you pay her for her time and companionship, you will necessarily have to negotiate with her directly. So she said to you that she wants $500 for a day with you. Since you intend to take her on a week long vacation somewhere nice, I would try to negotiate with her and ask if she will accept a flat rate for a full week that takes into account the expenses you will incur in taking her on a vacation, and suggest to her the amount you would like to pay her for a week on vacation. Maybe she will accept, or come back to you with some intermediate proposal. Negotiate with her. What can it hurt? No one connected with the club will speak to you about this, though. Of that I'm quite sure.

LJ

Kirch
11-12-12, 21:16
If she says she has to deal with Rio she is either new there (and is scared) or she doesn`t like you too much. Either way, if she is a stunning girl and doing great service this is a great deal! In Germany we are spoiled (FKK Clubs) but to find a real hot girl doing a great service you won't get this price in Germany! Forget about all the posts telling you something else! Girls from Shooters or Vodka bar (in general!) are average girls with "ok" service. Remember, I said if she is a stunning girl with great service! Of course all of us met girls who are beautiful for us and the service is great because there is chemistry BUT this is very rare. If you don't have much time spending in Kiev, go with her. If you have plenty of time, you are in good age (between 20something and 45 years old) , looking ok and respect the girls, you should go out to "normal" places and wait until find something for free. .

Don't listen to some of the people here. Talking too much and not so often in Kiev. I'm here 2-3 times every month and don't post here anymore because there are so many men (mostly from the US) talking too much and they are in Kiev or elsewhere in Russia (may be) 1 or 4 times a year. How can they say something. (Not talking about some great people here telling the truth like me (at least I think so)

Coming to Kiev now for may be 2 years, I spend 80% of my time in Kiev with girls I know and don't pay for them (and some of them I don't even f*). The rest of the time I go to Rio or Mandarin (not because I get money from them to post here) because that are places you can trust! And you don't waste time if you don't have time.

(Posting for the people that are not posting here) LOL.


Yeah, but the Rio girl said to me I need to pay Rio, not her, $500 a day. (I'm sure she'll receive a cut.) Do you mean to say I can negotiate with Rio?

Thanks

Kirch
11-12-12, 22:06
LOL. This report I would write down if my English would be good enough.

If you've just arrived in Kyiv, chances are that you will quickly be informed by helpful work colleagues and business partners about the places to dine at and the places to party. They are but a few and they are full of stunning girls. So let's start our checklist by assuming you just went out for the first time and met this nice English-speaking girl, with an amazing body, who was so sweet with you:

Where did you meet her? If it was at D-Lux, SkyBar, Dante Park, Arena, Avalon, Shooters, Byblos, Serebro, Velour, Buddha Bar, Mokko, Richelieu, Ok Bar, Safe (to name just some of the worst places to meet a girl) , there is a strong likelihood that this girls is a hooker. If you met her at D-Lux, don't kid yourself – that's a *****house with 80% working girls swarming its three floors. SkyBar is the same, but just on one floor, while Dante Park has a slightly lower hooker level, but still there are 2 chances out of 3 that she was there to work. Arena and Avalon have a lower class of hookers, but an even higher percentage of hookers than D-Lux. Shooters is a special case: students go there to dabble in their first sex-for-money experiences and also girls to ugly to pass the face control at the top clubs. Byblos, Serebro and Velour are the places where rich Ukrainians pick up their sex-snacks and so the chances that she speaks English are low, but she is likely to charge you premium prices for being so daft to have picked her up there. For a long time Buddha Bar used to be the prostitution center of Kyiv, but lately management has been clamping down strongly on the amount of hookers allowed to enter. Mokko, Richelieu, Ok Bar and Safe are favorite hangouts for some of the most expensive ladies one can find in Kyiv; sipping on one coffee for the whole evening and waiting for some rich man to invite them to share dinner with him and later share his bed. Safe and Ok Bar are by far the worst offenders in this regard and any girl going there regularly is a girl to avoid. All these places have in common, that none of the girls can afford to actually be there, and if she is there it is so to find a man to pay for her: there and hers truly too.

What day of the week did you meet her? Has it been a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday? Remember that any Ukrainian girl, who studies or works will only in the rarest of circumstances go out during the week. Students at Ukrainian universities have an immense work load and must be at class early in the morning; therefore they do not go out during the week and if they do, they will be with a group of friends and head home early. Girls who work, work long hours, need to be at work early in the morning and receive paltry salaries – hence they sleep on weekday evenings and do not have the money to go out to such expensive places. A girl that can go to clubs and restaurants all days of the week is most likely there to sell herself, especially if she is still there after midnight.

What does she do in life? One of the first questions to ask is what a girl does in life; if she answers 'Student', 'Looking for a job', 'Undecided', 'Model', all alarm bells should start ringing at once! Students (see above) neither have the time to go out nor the money; a girl who doesn't work in Kyiv cannot survive in this city (unless her parents are rich – see point below) ; and if she claims to be a model then this is code for 'I think I am a model, because I am a tall and thin hooker! '. Kyiv is a city with thousands of models, none of which earns enough money to pay for even a flat. True top models do not stay in Kyiv, they quickly move to fashion capitals in the West, where they can make more money. 'Models' in Kyiv are tall, thin girls, who sometimes dabble a bit in modeling, but as there are so many of them, none can actually earn her living and 95% of them also work in other ways with their bodies.

Maybe her parents are rich? Well, they might – and there is an easy way to find out: 'Do you have a car? ' if she confirms ask what car it is. A girl from a truly rich family will have her own car and not just some cheap little Japanese one, but a Lexus or Mercedes jeep or even a Porsche Cayenne. But then a girl from such a family wouldn't be found at a place full of hookers like e. G. Safe. She would be at one of the luxury restaurants foreigners don't even know about, and she wouldn't speak with you. Chances are high that a girl going out to the above mentioned clubs and talking to a foreigner with a car in the 50k$ range got this car as a gift from one of her wealthy married lovers. But if she doesn't have a car and doesn't work, then she is very likely a prostitute. No middle class family in Ukraine has the means or the inclination to allow their daughters not to work after university, and if a girl doesn't have a car and doesn't work, then her source of income is between her legs, which pays nicely for life in Kyiv, but won't earn her enough for buying a car.

Phrases and keywords to look out for: There are phrases that if uttered are a clear sign that you should move on. The most obvious of them are: 'I like generous man' means 'I look for a sucker to pay for everything! '; 'I am not a girl for the average man! ' means 'My body is only for men from 100k $ disposable income p. A. And up! '; 'I am a popular girl! ' means 'I already have a lot of clients, so if you want me – start the bidding! '; 'This is a real Gucci / Prada / etc. Bag / watch / etc. ' means 'See what other men paid for me, top them or I will move on. ' and my favorite 'I am not a prostitute' which actually means 'Your offer is to low! '

Other things to look out for: To much makeup, to low cut dresses, breasts hanging halfway out of the bustier, navel piercings – many hookers dress like hookers; but the most common single identification symbol is: not all girls in Kyiv with an iPhone are hookers, but all hookers in Kyiv have an iPhone! Always the newest model and always nearby to show they have it; naturally they had it presented to them by one of their clients, because none of them ever spends her own money on anything.

Kirch
11-12-12, 22:14
Next part. And again. I had exactly the same experience. Not only in Kiev but all over CIS countries!

If you are still unsure if a girl you met is a prostitute or not, then it is time for some research. Go to vkontakte to check the girls profile out. If you do not have vkontakte then this blog will be of little help to you as you haven't really arrived in Kyiv yet (www.vk.com). Find the girl: if she did not give you her full name, her birthday and first name will suffice. Girls have a habit to have much more racy and revealing photos on vkontakte than on facebook. An added bonus is that vkonakte's privacy measures are sloppy and friendlists are not hidden.

Travel Photos: First thing you do is to check out her photos: a lot of professional underwear and bikini photos are already a bad sign. A lot of travel photos from all kinds of exotic destinations all over the world are even worse. If you work in a normal job, if you are from a normal Ukrainian family you do not have the means to travel the world. You get 2-3 weeks of holiday a year and a holiday in Egypt, in Turkey or some bus tour of Western Europe is the maximum you can pay from your salary. Holidays in expensive and faraway places: e. G. Maldives, Dominican Republic, India, Thailand, Australia, etc. For example are always paid for by clients, or rich boyfriends (more about rich 'boyfriends' below). Repeated trips to the United Arab Emirates are an especially auspicious sign of travel prostitution; namely sex for a holiday. Trips to Israel, Dominican Republic, Los Angeles, New York, etc. – maybe some ignorant local boys believe the girls' stories that male friends invited them to join them on these short trips, just because these friends are just very friendly; but you should not: if a Ukrainian girl is invited to visit the Bahamas it is only because the inviter can invite himself to all orifices of her body in return.

Type of Photos and Posing: One of the typical things girls from poor backgrounds will post are a ridiculous amount of photos showing them indulging in luxury. These photos are meant to showcase their coolness, and their friends in their little villages might be impressed by them. However when doing research these images are quite helpful as they show so much more than these girls intended. Images of a girl sitting in a luxury car means just that this is the car of the man that ordered her; Images of a girl in a flat with view of Central Park, just means that in this flat she will soon be used by the owner of the flat; Images of a girl putting a spoon of caviar in her mouth just means that she will soon swallow another reproductive liquid next; Images taken inside a Rolls Royce do not mean that it's her car, they just mean that she is dumb and poor and that this drive to her client is the first time she has come close to luxury. Photos on yachts and in private jets just showcase the type of a client a girl usually services and what prices she expects to be paid for having no dignity. The same rule applies for photos taken in airport business lounges and hotel rooms; none of these girls can pay for these amenities and you need to understand, she is just showing us her commute to work and her workplace.

Friendlists: Luckily vkontakte doesn't hide friendlists. One can only hide up to 15 friends. If one has been to Kyiv for some time one knows directly or indirectly a large number of prostitutes. Therefore after you have checked out her photos look at the friendlist: often you can find a 10-20% of the girls in a friendlist to be known prostitutes. One girl, who works and studies, might know at maximum 2-3 girls, who are involved in the trade. But when a girl has over 10 prostitutes in her friendlist then it is safe to assume she knows them from common work experiences. Another telling sign is the amount of much older foreign men a girl has in her friendlist on facebook – if the amount is more than 50% of all male friends, she is managing her client base through facebook.

Check-ins: thanks to smartphones, there is an inflation of girls checking into places: be it restaurants, clubs, bars, airports, etc. And they are some of the most revealing information one can find: girls that regularly check into expensive restaurants do so to announce their presence and current availability to their usual clients. As no Ukrainian girl has the means or the will to pay for diner in such a place herself, they fully expect some sucker to read the check-in and go to the place to pay for diner and extra for sex-services afterwards. In earlier times girls, instead of checking in, used to send sms announcing 'I am in the center. Let's meet at Safe in 20min' and were actually angry if you dared to not rush there to pay diner for her and the friends she brought along to dine on the sucker's expense too. So check her profile for check-ins: lots of visits to Safe, SkyBar, Byblos, Velour, and D-Lux, especially during the week tell you all you need to know. Also check with whom they visit these places: checking in with a known prostitute is not uncommon. Furthermore check-ins at airports during the week for 2-3 day trips are not friends inviting her over to Cannes to go shopping with her at Burberry, but a client in need of a quality body.

Photos of flats: Rent in Kyiv is expensive. Even if one works fulltime it often is not enough to rent one's own flat. So check profiles on vkontakte for photos of flats. The dumbest girls take an excessive amount of themselves in their flat; very commonly in front of the mirror, an iPhone in hand, showing off new dresses, shoes, fur coats, etc. That they were tipped with. A luxury flat in the center can mean only one thing: a full-time prostitute or a wealthy, married sponsor, who pays for that flat in exchange for exclusive access to that girl's body.

Kirch
11-12-12, 22:18
Another one with so much truth. LOL.

Long-term prostitution with one man: a special case is the many girls in Kyiv, who do not prostitute themselves with many men, but who prostitute themselves with a series of rich men. The girls call these men 'my boyfriend' and insist that they are very much in love. If that were so, why do they live apart? In most cases the reason is that the man is married and thus places the girl in a centrally located flat to a) buy her and be) have a place to use her. It is a bit more difficult to find out about such girls, but it's also possible: clear signs are once again that she doesn't work, that she has a upscale flat in the center, that she goes all the time to expensive restaurants, that she lives alone and that she frequently travels outside of Ukraine (with her 'boyfriend' of course). Such girls have nothing to do all day, they go to the fitness studio, they visit cafι after cafι, they meet some friends and wait all week around for the time her sponsor comes to use her at his flat. Such girls will never have time to meet you for two reasons: the first is that in the evening they need to be available for their paymaster before he heads to his family's place, and the second reason is that usually his friends know about her and if she is found to meet another man for a date, she risks losing her job and flat. Only if such a girl senses that she is about to lose her current paymaster or that you are ready to take over as paymaster, she will become active and want to meet you; until then she 'is a busy girl', 'has so much to do', 'has so little free time', and so many other idiotic excuses why she cannot meet you, during the 23 hours of the day she has nothing to do.

Short-term prostitution with many men: another special case is girls, who have a series of boyfriends that change repeatedly and abruptly. These girls, like the ones above, have their own flat, they visit expensive restaurants etc. The main difference is that these girls rent their flats themselves, while the above live in flats owned or rented by their sponsor. To make sure that they have money for their flats they will continuously switch between wealthy boyfriends with the intent to secure money for rent and food. Relationships of 2-3 weeks are not uncommon and also these girls insist that they are in 'love'. These girls are most often the most diseased of the girls you can meet; while the long-term sponsored girls sleep with just one man and the full-time prostitutes use condoms with their clients, these girls sleep with their 'boyfriends' without condoms (they are in love after all!) and ignore the fact that such guys have a dozen 'girlfriends' at any given time. Also these girls might be in 'love' with many men at the same time. And if by the end of the month they did not manage to find their rent, you can find them at D-Lux desperate to sell themselves for the rent.

Mamba: mamba. Ru is where all prostitutes in Ukraine converge, looking for either a sponsor or for some quick hourly sex for money deals. A girl with a profile there is a prostitute; the few exceptions are in the single digits and leave the site quickly. Mamba is difficult to mine for information, but if you have the time it will yield endless information about professional hookers, the reason being that the girls while using fake names enter their true birthdays and use the same photos as on vkontakte. If you manage to find a girl you do like in real life on mamba, write her there under an assumed identity, and you can be sure to receive the prices, conditions and services she offers and also the list of her girlfriends she can bring along.

Kirch
11-12-12, 22:23
Here's the last post of this report I've found in the internet. YES! It's the truth and I had to laugh all the time reading it. Enjoy.

If you still want to date a girl, who fits all or some of the description above, feel free to do so. But be aware that she will be with you only as long it makes financial sense for her. Furthermore do yourself a favor and send her to the gynecologist before you sleep with her without a condom: vaginal bacteria are as common as iPhones with girls in D-Lux and furthermore none of them takes the anti-baby pill.

Per se these girls are not bad, but they are lazy. The reason these girls prefer to sell themselves is not, because they need the money, the sole reason is that they are too lazy to do any kind of work; work in any form is anathema to them, but at the same time they want a luxurious lifestyle without doing anything for it but pulling their legs apart and looking at the ceiling for twenty minutes.

If you wish to find a girl worthy of your affection and for a long lasting relationship, don't go out to the clubs mentioned at the beginning of the blog. There your chances to find a girl worthy of your time and energy are zero. Work and make friends with your work colleagues. They will take you along to their get-togethers, where you will meet their friends and their sisters. All of whom do work, all of whom will have little money, and among these you will find a beautiful, smart, sweet, wonderful girl that is neither lazy nor obsessed with money. Remember: any girl that has no job, but lives in her own flat is most likely to be a hooker. The girls you want to meet, date and love are those who study and work since they were seventeen years old.

And if you are really desperate for intimacy, then don't bother to go to D-Lux or Safe, or the like: go to Rio Strip Club next to the opera: there girls are friendlier, more honest, younger, available, cheaper and cleaner.

Jojosun
11-12-12, 22:41
Dear Prosal.

In your case, I assume you will need to add the costs of a $20k watch and a $15k fur coat, and various other high fashion accoutrements. But you will no doubt admit that yours is a special case that needs to be considered separately, because it does not reflect the type of trip costs that are customary for mere mortal guys.

With the greatest respect for your pussy accomplishments,

LJThat's Peanuts. My friend Prosal says "about 25 000 € (60 square meters). Shit, I should have buy it. It's pocket money". Posting on real Estate in Minsk.

And you know what? He was right. .

" He doesn't Need a Mortgage Either ". So he says in reply to Climaxnow.

Combine this with "Good Looks and Height, his Photos ", LOL unusual for a French man, and you get the picture which explains his pussy accomplishments.

Cheers,

PS. Prosal. This was a compliment.

YellowPaul
11-13-12, 05:47
You guys mentioned flying girls to DR without ever being to Ukraine, where do you meet the girl that agrees to such arrangement?

Thanks in advance.Sorry for the late reply but I just got back from Vegas. The girl I'm flying out to Dominican Republic is from Rabota, it's a legitimate job seeking site that I was using to find personal secretary / English translators but I decided to give that up as it was requiring to much work but I tried e-mailing some of the girls and few responded despite the fact the "job" I told them was filled. This one has girl next door look rather then a supermodel type and has 2 year old kid and lives with her Mom and bother. I think it's as average non-pro as you can. So I hope as you never really know with these girls.

YellowPaul
11-13-12, 05:52
LOL. This report I would write down if my English would be good enough.

If you've just arrived in Kyiv, chances are that you will quickly be informed by helpful work colleagues and business partners about the places to dine at and the places to party. They are but a few and they are full of stunning girls. So let's start our checklist by assuming you just went out for the first time and met this nice English-speaking girl, with an amazing body, who was so sweet with you:

Where did you meet her? If it was at D-Lux, SkyBar, Dante Park, Arena, Avalon, Shooters, Byblos, Serebro, Velour, Buddha Bar, Mokko, Richelieu, Ok Bar, Safe (to name just some of the worst places to meet a girl) , there is a strong likelihood that this girls is a hooker. If you met her at D-Lux, don't kid yourself – that's a *house with 80% working girls swarming its three floors. SkyBar is the same, but just on one floor, while Dante Park has a slightly lower hooker level, but still there are 2 chances out of 3 that she was there to work. Arena and Avalon have a lower class of hookers, but an even higher percentage of hookers than D-Lux. Shooters is a special case: students go there to dabble in their first sex-for-money experiences and also girls to ugly to pass the face control at the top clubs. Byblos, Serebro and Velour are the places where rich Ukrainians pick up their sex-snacks and so the chances that she speaks English are low, but she is likely to charge you premium prices for being so daft to have picked her up there. For a long time Buddha Bar used to be the prostitution center of Kyiv, but lately management has been clamping down strongly on the amount of hookers allowed to enter. Mokko, Richelieu, Ok Bar and Safe are favorite hangouts for some of the most expensive ladies one can find in Kyiv; sipping on one coffee for the whole evening and waiting for some rich man to invite them to share dinner with him and later share his bed. Safe and Ok Bar are by far the worst offenders in this regard and any girl going there regularly is a girl to avoid. All these places have in common, that none of the girls can afford to actually be there, and if she is there it is so to find a man to pay for her: there and hers truly too.

What day of the week did you meet her? Has it been a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday? Remember that any Ukrainian girl, who studies or works will only in the rarest of circumstances go out during the week. Students at Ukrainian universities have an immense work load and must be at class early in the morning; therefore they do not go out during the week and if they do, they will be with a group of friends and head home early. Girls who work, work long hours, need to be at work early in the morning and receive paltry salaries – hence they sleep on weekday evenings and do not have the money to go out to such expensive places. A girl that can go to clubs and restaurants all days of the week is most likely there to sell herself, especially if she is still there after midnight.

What does she do in life? One of the first questions to ask is what a girl does in life; if she answers 'Student', 'Looking for a job', 'Undecided', 'Model', all alarm bells should start ringing at once! Students (see above) neither have the time to go out nor the money; a girl who doesn't work in Kyiv cannot survive in this city (unless her parents are rich – see point below) ; and if she claims to be a model then this is code for 'I think I am a model, because I am a tall and thin hooker! '. Kyiv is a city with thousands of models, none of which earns enough money to pay for even a flat. True top models do not stay in Kyiv, they quickly move to fashion capitals in the West, where they can make more money. 'Models' in Kyiv are tall, thin girls, who sometimes dabble a bit in modeling, but as there are so many of them, none can actually earn her living and 95% of them also work in other ways with their bodies.

Maybe her parents are rich? Well, they might – and there is an easy way to find out: 'Do you have a car? ' if she confirms ask what car it is. A girl from a truly rich family will have her own car and not just some cheap little Japanese one, but a Lexus or Mercedes jeep or even a Porsche Cayenne. But then a girl from such a family wouldn't be found at a place full of hookers like e. G. Safe. She would be at one of the luxury restaurants foreigners don't even know about, and she wouldn't speak with you. Chances are high that a girl going out to the above mentioned clubs and talking to a foreigner with a car in the 50k$ range got this car as a gift from one of her wealthy married lovers. But if she doesn't have a car and doesn't work, then she is very likely a prostitute. No middle class family in Ukraine has the means or the inclination to allow their daughters not to work after university, and if a girl doesn't have a car and doesn't work, then her source of income is between her legs, which pays nicely for life in Kyiv, but won't earn her enough for buying a car.

Phrases and keywords to look out for: There are phrases that if uttered are a clear sign that you should move on. The most obvious of them are: 'I like generous man' means 'I look for a sucker to pay for everything! '; 'I am not a girl for the average man! ' means 'My body is only for men from 100k $ disposable income p. A. And up! '; 'I am a popular girl! ' means 'I already have a lot of clients, so if you want me – start the bidding! '; 'This is a real Gucci / Prada / etc. Bag / watch / etc. ' means 'See what other men paid for me, top them or I will move on. ' and my favorite 'I am not a prostitute' which actually means 'Your offer is to low! '

Other things to look out for: To much makeup, to low cut dresses, breasts hanging halfway out of the bustier, navel piercings – many hookers dress like hookers; but the most common single identification symbol is: not all girls in Kyiv with an iPhone are hookers, but all hookers in Kyiv have an iPhone! Always the newest model and always nearby to show they have it; naturally they had it presented to them by one of their clients, because none of them ever spends her own money on anything.Great report. A must read.

Questner
11-13-12, 06:46
'It's also possible that you haven't been to Ukraine or the DR and simply don't know what you're talking about. But I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you have seen both types of girls, so the difference of opinion is explained by a difference in personal taste. '

LJ, I don't need Google translate to communicate in both states. Takes out the intrigue although. My post was about money only. Also without a thorough nightly test drive, security check and references I would not venture with a girl across the world into a third world country where you can find your ass jailed at a whim if only vaguely known hooker misbehaves

AlbertaGuy
11-13-12, 08:22
Any comrades want to be friends on VKontake, share contacts? I'm new but working on it. Message me. YP, Kirch, LJ, thanks for all your great posts.

Prosal
11-13-12, 09:32
Not only in Kiev but all over CIS countries!Thanks, maybe the best pieces of writing ever posted in this thread. I especially enjoyed the part II. The three parts deserve a ROD, but you are right, the part II and III are valid for all FSU countries and should also be present in the ROD threads of the Moldova, Belarus, Russia, ect forums.

I would be interested to know where you found it BTW. If you have time, could you PM me the site?

Kirch
11-13-12, 17:41
Just to mention, those great Kiev reports are not written by myself! Found on web.

Kirch
11-13-12, 17:43
As posted I am not the one who wrote those fantastic reports! I found it in the internet.

But this is exactly what I experienced in about 13 years of travveling thru the CIS Countries.

For me Salon Dolly is ok (look for salon dolly Kiev and you should find it). There is another one but I don't remember the name.

Good luck!


Hi Kirch,

Thanks for your reports.

How about saloons in Kiev?

Which one is the best for you?

Adress and tel. Number are very welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Naykan.

Chill Bill
11-13-12, 19:48
Here's the last post of this report I've found in the internet. YES! It's the truth and I had to laugh all the time reading it. Enjoy.

If you still want to date a girl, who fits all or some of the description above, feel free to do so. But be aware that she will be with you only as long it makes financial sense for her. Furthermore do yourself a favor and send her to the gynecologist before you sleep with her without a condom: vaginal bacteria are as common as iPhones with girls in D-Lux and furthermore none of them takes the anti-baby pill.

Per se these girls are not bad, but they are lazy. The reason these girls prefer to sell themselves is not, because they need the money, the sole reason is that they are too lazy to do any kind of work; work in any form is anathema to them, but at the same time they want a luxurious lifestyle without doing anything for it but pulling their legs apart and looking at the ceiling for twenty minutes.

If you wish to find a girl worthy of your affection and for a long lasting relationship, don't go out to the clubs mentioned at the beginning of the blog. There your chances to find a girl worthy of your time and energy are zero. Work and make friends with your work colleagues. They will take you along to their get-togethers, where you will meet their friends and their sisters. All of whom do work, all of whom will have little money, and among these you will find a beautiful, smart, sweet, wonderful girl that is neither lazy nor obsessed with money. Remember: any girl that has no job, but lives in her own flat is most likely to be a hooker. The girls you want to meet, date and love are those who study and work since they were seventeen years old.

And if you are really desperate for intimacy, then don't bother to go to D-Lux or Safe, or the like: go to Rio Strip Club next to the opera: there girls are friendlier, more honest, younger, available, cheaper and cleaner.Thanks Kirch! Quick question. Maybe I missed it in your posts. But, if one is looking for the higher-end, model type hookers, what is the best place?

- Bill

Climaxnow
11-13-12, 20:08
I was at Rio less than two months ago. The girls were not hot and I will not return. One of the things that always strikes me about that place is the disappointment in the eyes of the new guys that show up for the first time. Rio is a relic of Kiev's past and something comparable to Gia agency, a business in decline. As mongers, we all understand how the internet changed the dynamics of prostitution and pulled many girls from the streets. Rio was born from a time when girls could not market themselves without a physical venue. Things are different and it's all about the internet in Kiev.

Also, in regards to Mamba, its not as easy as some members may have you believe. Everything a guy could want is there but the door to every girl is not always open. Prostitution is more complicated in Kiev because it takes on forms of sponsorship. The quality girls want to know who they are meeting and do things at there own pace.

One last thing, the girls know the value of there pussy. So if you are looking for that sweet hot college girl with good English and social skills and can perform, she's not coming over for just a $100.

Anybody
11-13-12, 23:31
Hi all,

Last week I visited Kiev and I went to the 2 massage salons at city center.

First one is rakuena, you can find all information in their internet site. It is better to make a reservation before going there. The place is very close to Kreshatik Street but really hard to find, even local ukranian people do not know that street. The address is 2/1B, Kruglouniversitetskaya Street (entry by the yard).

First at Kreshatik street, go to the odd numbers to 21-23. Etc. And when you find Bessarabs'ka street, turn left (there is a TGI Friday's) and then go a little bit, turn left

Again. On that street at the right part you can find 2/1 entrance in which many apartments, and you can see the Rakuena sign there.

There are many different prices are written in their internet site, but they are all wrong, currently the price for erotic message-1 hour is 650 UAH, these days they have.

Special offer for double relaxation-1 hour 700 UAH.

So I choose the double relaxation, and it is really nice massage, I choose Sasha for double relaxation at my first day and she is same as the photos at internet site.

Second massage is salon dolly, again they have internet site and girls are same as the photos. This place is at Pushkinskaya street 9B, number is 62, which is one parallel of the Kreshatik Street. There is a Kreshatik metro station, take it on your behind and just go across the street, then turn first left and you can find 9B entrance, there are some apartments there and you should enter into the one with black door which is open everytime, number 62 is in the second floor, there is no sign of the massage salon.

The prices are cheaper than rakuena. 1 hour erotic massage is 350 UAH and double relaxation-1. 5 hour is 600 UAH. I went there at my last day before my plane and

Chose 1 hour massage with Nika and her massage is really nice.

There is also another massage salon called Roksolena that I found its name at internet, but it was already closed. Other massage salons do not have english internet site, so I did not try them yet.

Belvaros
11-14-12, 00:05
Kirch writes the most BRILLIANT insightful report into hookers (applies to most countries' women actually) and Prosal, Jojosun + buddies still carry on about Mini Coopers and irrelevant shit. Well done boys. BUT. Take a little time, SMELL the roses. And read what Kirch said. See if you can add some value to this mostly worthless Kiev thread. Shame because some the hottest types I have been with come from a 500 mile radius around that marvellous EE city.

Climaxnow
11-14-12, 01:26
I have noticed that a lot of girls in Kiev post very professional photography of themselves in there profiles. Is this a sign of sponsorship? Maybe girls are just into photography in Kiev.

AColonizer
11-14-12, 02:29
Funny and interesting report. Good description of anthropology. There are some big mistakes, but the reasoning is good. You forgot: prostitution to have children and called marriage. We are more than 7 billions people and 95% of us are son of prostitutes.


Another one with so much truth. LOL.

Long-term prostitution with one man: a special case is the many girls in Kyiv, who do not prostitute themselves with many men, but who prostitute themselves with a series of rich men. The girls call these men 'my boyfriend' and insist that they are very much in love. If that were so, why do they live apart? In most cases the reason is that the man is married and thus places the girl in a centrally located flat to a) buy her and be) have a place to use her. It is a bit more difficult to find out about such girls, but it's also possible: clear signs are once again that she doesn't work, that she has a upscale flat in the center, that she goes all the time to expensive restaurants, that she lives alone and that she frequently travels outside of Ukraine (with her 'boyfriend' of course). Such girls have nothing to do all day, they go to the fitness studio, they visit cafι after cafι, they meet some friends and wait all week around for the time her sponsor comes to use her at his flat. Such girls will never have time to meet you for two reasons: the first is that in the evening they need to be available for their paymaster before he heads to his family's place, and the second reason is that usually his friends know about her and if she is found to meet another man for a date, she risks losing her job and flat. Only if such a girl senses that she is about to lose her current paymaster or that you are ready to take over as paymaster, she will become active and want to meet you; until then she 'is a busy girl', 'has so much to do', 'has so little free time', and so many other idiotic excuses why she cannot meet you, during the 23 hours of the day she has nothing to do.

Short-term prostitution with many men: another special case is girls, who have a series of boyfriends that change repeatedly and abruptly. These girls, like the ones above, have their own flat, they visit expensive restaurants etc. The main difference is that these girls rent their flats themselves, while the above live in flats owned or rented by their sponsor. To make sure that they have money for their flats they will continuously switch between wealthy boyfriends with the intent to secure money for rent and food. Relationships of 2-3 weeks are not uncommon and also these girls insist that they are in 'love'. These girls are most often the most diseased of the girls you can meet; while the long-term sponsored girls sleep with just one man and the full-time prostitutes use condoms with their clients, these girls sleep with their 'boyfriends' without condoms (they are in love after all!) and ignore the fact that such guys have a dozen 'girlfriends' at any given time. Also these girls might be in 'love' with many men at the same time. And if by the end of the month they did not manage to find their rent, you can find them at D-Lux desperate to sell themselves for the rent.

Mamba: mamba. Ru is where all prostitutes in Ukraine converge, looking for either a sponsor or for some quick hourly sex for money deals. A girl with a profile there is a prostitute; the few exceptions are in the single digits and leave the site quickly. Mamba is difficult to mine for information, but if you have the time it will yield endless information about professional hookers, the reason being that the girls while using fake names enter their true birthdays and use the same photos as on vkontakte. If you manage to find a girl you do like in real life on mamba, write her there under an assumed identity, and you can be sure to receive the prices, conditions and services she offers and also the list of her girlfriends she can bring along.

Shevchenko
11-14-12, 08:42
In all the times I have taken a girl out from Rio, I have NEVER negotiated or paid anything to Rio or its employees for the girl's time when she went out with me. In all cases, I ONLY negotiated with the girl directly and ONLY paid the girl directly.

Therefore, your last statement that the girl told you to pay Rio is suspect to me. You must have misunderstood.

If a girl is considering a date with you, in which you pay her for her time and companionship, you will necessarily have to negotiate with her directly. So she said to you that she wants $500 for a day with you. Since you intend to take her on a week long vacation somewhere nice, I would try to negotiate with her and ask if she will accept a flat rate for a full week that takes into account the expenses you will incur in taking her on a vacation, and suggest to her the amount you would like to pay her for a week on vacation. Maybe she will accept, or come back to you with some intermediate proposal. Negotiate with her. What can it hurt? No one connected with the club will speak to you about this, though. Of that I'm quite sure.

LJThanks for the info.

I had just assumed that, just like $300 for 3 hours was fixed by Rio, $500 per day was fixed by Rio.

I'm still assuming that if I give her $500 per day, $250 goes to Rio and she keeps $250?

Shevchenko
11-14-12, 08:57
If she says she has to deal with Rio she is either new there (and is scared) or she doesn`t like you too much. Either way, if she is a stunning girl and doing great service this is a great deal! In Germany we are spoiled (FKK Clubs) but to find a real hot girl doing a great service you won't get this price in Germany! Forget about all the posts telling you something else! Girls from Shooters or Vodka bar (in general!) are average girls with "ok" service. Remember, I said if she is a stunning girl with great service! Of course all of us met girls who are beautiful for us and the service is great because there is chemistry BUT this is very rare. If you don't have much time spending in Kiev, go with her. If you have plenty of time, you are in good age (between 20something and 45 years old) , looking ok and respect the girls, you should go out to "normal" places and wait until find something for free. .

Don't listen to some of the people here. Talking too much and not so often in Kiev. I'm here 2-3 times every month and don't post here anymore because there are so many men (mostly from the US) talking too much and they are in Kiev or elsewhere in Russia (may be) 1 or 4 times a year. How can they say something. (Not talking about some great people here telling the truth like me (at least I think so)

Coming to Kiev now for may be 2 years, I spend 80% of my time in Kiev with girls I know and don't pay for them (and some of them I don't even f*). The rest of the time I go to Rio or Mandarin (not because I get money from them to post here) because that are places you can trust! And you don't waste time if you don't have time.

(Posting for the people that are not posting here) LOL."If she says she has to deal with Rio she is either new there (and is scared) or she doesn`t like you too much."

Just curious how you come up with this statement. Are you saying Rio girls in fact don't have to deal with Rio when they go on vacation? Do you think she was lying to me when she said I have to pay Rio $500 per day because I met her at Rio, and Rio will find out one way or another if she goes on vacation with me without telling Rio?

Thanks

LilJoey
11-14-12, 16:27
Thanks Kirch! Quick question. Maybe I missed it in your posts. But, if one is looking for the higher-end, model type hookers, what is the best place?

- BillBill, if you can ask such a question after reading Kirch's reports, then you certainly did "miss it"!

The article reproduced by Kirch on this thread, is written in clever tongue-in-cheek fashion, from the perspective of one who is seeking a wholesome, good Ukrainian girl, for a real love relationship. As such, the writer wishes to avoid any Ukrainian girls who engage in selling their bodies in exchange for money and gifts and support, since such girls will have been used by many benefactors, and will not be unsullied girls worthy of one's real love.

However, in giving us insights on how to recognize if a Ukrainian girl is engaged in any form of prostitution from the low end to the high end of the scale in such profession, in order to know how to avoid such girls in the article writer's quest for true love, at the same time the writer also educates those of us looking for the opposite, I. E. Hookers to bang for money, on how to recognize such p4p girls for our purposes as well. It's just that the writer, and those of his mindset who disdain hookers, will be fleeing away from such p4p girls, those of us interested in p4p will be figuring out how to make an approach to such a girl, if we fancy what she looks like.

So, all you need to do, Bill, is drive in reverse, and use the well written article to guide you on where to find the hot, model looking hookers, and how to recognize if a beautiful girl is of the type that you might be successful in renting her pussy for a temporary honeymoon. Therefore, all those places which the writer specified are the worst places to meet a nice, wholesome, pure girl, who never sold her body, that is worthy of your love in a real relationship. Those are the places you should go to in order to find the hookers you seek who look like high end models, and with whom you stand a chance of having sex with if you are able to pony up the fee. C'mon, use your intelligence, man. Read the thread and educate yourself. Kirch has already written about his favored way to get hot p4p model type girls many times before on this thread. And he concluded his recent posts with that conclusion as well. You can find model level hot p4p girls in Kiev at the nightclubs listed in the article, or at the strip clubs in Kiev, of which Kirch mentioned Rio and Mandarin, my own favorites because their prices are lower than the other strip clubs, but there are other strip clubs with very hot model type girls, albeit at an even higher price tag.

Note: the article exaggerated the numbers of p4p hookers present in the nightclubs mentioned. It is not true that there are 80% and higher density of p4p girls attending these nightclubs. I believe that figure is way too high based on my own experience, as well as reading reports of others here on this thread. But, who cares if the percentage of hookers present in the nightclub is somewhat lower than 80, the point is that there is a significant enough hooker presence to make it worthwhile to go there to find hot hookers, or semi-pros. The article did make an interesting point about mid-week versus weekends. Maybe the percentage of hookers present is higher mid-week than on weekends, because normal girls can't go out and party till all hours mid-week, due to the constraints of their university or work obligations.

LJ

Belvaros
11-14-12, 17:05
. Had a quick lookie at about 8 pages of your posts. Vienna, Budapest, Morocco, Tunisia. Gambia, Medellin etc. It doesn't mention KIEv.

Have you actually been there. If not, now you read the reports, are you going to Monger there.Yeah, used to live there, married a girl from there. Spent many years after the "end of communism" there. Still party there on occasion (a few times a year). And you are right, I never write on this forum under Kiev because I find 95% of the material here to have been said and the balance to be macho BS but FTR when I go to the Ukraine it is for my main source of business and the pussy is provided by the Oligarchs who we party with, so I have not much value to add to a generic p4p discussion. I will say this though. And it applies especially to KIEV and Odessa. Hit a bar or club a few times and just watch the women. Get WELL known in a place and then hit on the one / s you really want [somewhere down the road]. And you will be getting semi pro trim at worst and many freebies (taxi money kind). If you do NOT have the time to hit a place 4 or 5 times then JUST PAY FOR it at the aforementioned places.

Of all the EE, I find Ukrainian women to be amongst the hottest and the easiest to converse with and generally the simplest to understand. Luxury goods and $$$ are female viagra there.

LilJoey
11-14-12, 17:13
Thanks for the info.

I had just assumed that, just like $300 for 3 hours was fixed by Rio, $500 per day was fixed by Rio.

I'm still assuming that if I give her $500 per day, $250 goes to Rio and she keeps $250?
"If she says she has to deal with Rio she is either new there (and is scared) or she doesn`t like you too much."

Just curious how you come up with this statement. Are you saying Rio girls in fact don't have to deal with Rio when they go on vacation? Do you think she was lying to me when she said I have to pay Rio $500 per day because I met her at Rio, and Rio will find out one way or another if she goes on vacation with me without telling Rio?

ThanksSchevchenko, there are observable things that we can report and know, and there are things we don't know, but can assume either correctly or incorrectly. I'm sure I made it clear enough that no one from the club management ever gets involved in negotiating with you anything concerning a girl dating you. They always tell you that it's not their business, and to discuss it with the girl. What happens to the money you may give the girl for her time and companionship has been the subject of conjecture by writers in this thread in the past. Girls have said different things to different members here. So it is not clear for certain how much of the take out fee the girl keeps in the end. She might keep all of it, she might have to pay for some services she received, she might have to split it. There have been different statements made to different mongers at different times. So the matter is unclear. But it really doesn't matter. Because the bottom line is that you must pay the fee to the girl in advance at the club before taking her out. Even the $300 amount is not fixed, because there is at least one girl asking $500 for three hours (Darina) , but it is a norm accepted by most girls that $300 is sufficient for a three hour date. I related that one girl asked me for $800 for a 24 hour one day date, so a rate of $500 / day is not a standard rate. As I told you, this is something that is negotiable with the girl. Maybe she gave you a low $500 / day rate in contemplation of a week long vacation. For just one full day, $500 is a pretty low rate, considering they are starting at $300 for 3 hours. I don't think your request for a whole week is that usual, so I can't imagine there is any customary set price for it. So you are negotiating a first in all likelihood. But before agreeing to 7 x $500 = $3, 500, for a week vacation with the girl, why don't you pitch a flat fee of $2000 or $2500 for the week, in deference to the fact that you will be paying a few thousand more for her air tickets and accommodations in order to give her this vacation. Who knows? You might get a flat fee package discount on a week.

By the way, the $400 fee which used to be accepted as the fee for all night at Rio, has been eroded. The last time I was negotiating an all night date, I was told that the fee was $400 only if I took the girl out after midnight for 5 hours until closing time. But that if I wanted her to leave the club with me at 10:00 PM (another 2 hours) , then she wanted a $500 fee. I don't think this is the case with all girls, and may just be something particular to this one girl. But it can no longer be assumed that one can take out a girl for all night for $400 and get 8 hours if one takes her out at 9pm until 5pm! I told one of the managers about the demand for $500 from one of the girls for an all night date until 5am that would start at 10pm, and he said it's up to the girls to ask what they want. In the hopes of forestalling a trend, I told him that one of the reasons I came to Rio was that the girls ask a lower price than at other clubs in asking $300/3hours and $400 / all night. But that I could get the same rate of $500 / all night at a competitor, the strip club Dolls. Who knows what will be? Hopefully it is only this one girl at Rio that asks for $500 for an all night date if it begins at 9pm or 10pm, and the rest of the girls will stay with the $400 / all night rate regardless of when it starts.

But you should again be reminded that the strip club rates are higher than what is possible with girls on mamba. Ru who have rates of $75 / hr or $100 / hr. If you found a mamba girl that you liked, you could probably work out a week flat rate that is lower than what you will pay the stripper from Rio. But I do agree that some if the dancers at Rio are hotter than what I've been able to get from mamba to date.

LJ

YellowPaul
11-14-12, 17:16
Bill, if you can ask such a question after reading Kirch's reports, then you certainly did "miss it"!

Note: the article exaggerated the numbers of p4p hookers present in the nightclubs mentioned. It is not true that there are 80% and higher density of p4p girls attending these nightclubs. I believe that figure is way too high based on my own experience, as well as reading reports of others here on this thread. But, who cares if the percentage of hookers present in the nightclub is somewhat lower than 80, the point is that there is a significant enough hooker presence to make it worthwhile to go there to find hot hookers, or semi-pros. The article did make an interesting point about mid-week versus weekends. Maybe the percentage of hookers present is higher mid-week than on weekends, because normal girls can't go out and party till all hours mid-week, due to the constraints of their university or work obligations.

LJThis part is totally true about a much lower percentage of P4P especially on a Friday & Saturday at a place D'Lux. In terms of what I saw I say more like 20% of the weekends with hottest ones usually not giving foreigners the time of day unless you have some "game" or speak Russian.

Jojosun
11-14-12, 20:20
Take a little time, SMELL the roses. And read what Kirch said. See if you can add some value to this mostly worthless Kiev thread. Shame because some the hottest types I have been with come from a 500 mile radius around that marvellous EE city..

Belavros. Did what you told us (Porosal, Jojosun, and buddies) to do. No Roses to smell here though, but the smell of some stunners who just left work LOL.

" Each region of Western Ukraine has its own attraction. The Ivano Frankivsk area is very good for relax in Carpathian Mountains. People of the Carpathians keep an old traditions in food, music, fashion and craft. The Ternopil region is a 'green state' because of it's very clean ecologically environment. Besides, this region has 30% of all the ancient castles in all of Ukraine. And finally, Lviv. Lviv is a city of Museums and Concert Halls and simply great place to experience a rich culture.".

Note in the above is (TERNOPIL) not far from LVIV. Read carefully the above.

OK, now 57. 78 miles from KIEV about an hour's drive from KIEV, you have (CHERNOBYL ). They sound similar I know, but they couldn't be more different for obvious reasons.

As far I am concerned, I have an Exclusion Zone to keep away Girls Born in or around (Chernobyl ). In all the times I have been to KIEV I never went to (CHERNOBYL)) , which I hope doesn't include ". Some of the hottest types that you.

Have been with from yr 500 mile radius around that marvellous EE city.".

TERNOPIL, is next on my list along with LIVIV.

I have a friend from there, who said its great to go there in September and October, because that's the traditional time for Weddings. Read (Parties, Fucking female guests, getting hammered on industrial quantities of Vodka ). Note what I said earlier that (I am not interested in Russian Culture ).

West Ukraine is the Place for Ukrainian Culture and Language. TBH I am only going there for the Pussies, Vodka, and Beer.

My Ua friend said he will be my wingman there next fall.

No Luck there? , no tough Shit. Poland is next door. .

Now, was the above of any value?

TennisMan
11-14-12, 23:17
Hey everyone,

I have traveled alot in the us and have had many experiences of p4p at the hotel bars I was staying in. How about in Kiev. Are there certain hotel bars that have this kind of action? Which ones and what times? Thanks will be heading to Kiev nov 24-26th.

Jojosun
11-15-12, 14:49
Yeah, used to live there, married a girl from there. Spent many years after the "end of communism" there. Still party there on occasion (a few times a year). And you are right, I never write on this forum under Kiev because I find 95% of the material here to have been said and the balance to be macho BS but FTR when I go to the Ukraine it is for my main source of business and the pussy is provided by the Oligarchs who we party with, so I have not much value to add to a generic p4p discussion. I will say this though. And it applies especially to KIEV and Odessa. Hit a bar or club a few times and just watch the women. Get WELL known in a place and then hit on the one / s you really want [somewhere down the road]. And you will be getting semi pro trim at worst and many freebies (taxi money kind). If you do NOT have the time to hit a place 4 or 5 times then JUST PAY FOR it at the aforementioned places.

Of all the EE, I find Ukrainian women to be amongst the hottest and the easiest to converse with and generally the simplest to understand. Luxury goods and $$$ are female viagra there.Now you tell me.

I think my late Father would have killed me, had I married a girl from what was then Communist Russia or any woman from What was The Soviet Union.

He spent Years fighting Reds and when he came back home he was always on the lookout for "Reds Under The Beds ".

Your experiences there in KIEV with (Pussy provided by oligarchs you party with) is not available to your Average Joe monger including this jojo.

And to be honest, its Not My Kind Of Fun to be (Spoon Fed a Pussy by an Oligarh) and feel obligated to him.

Besides I see how they carry on when I am in London. They brought with them. The Worst of Russian and FSU culture.

Of all the Ex Russian and FSU Leaders, I found the late (Kruschev) to have been the Funniest. The time he put his Shoes on the Table at a UN meeting in New York.

He must have been the Funniest Ukrainian at the time. So much, even the Grim Looking Russians accepted him as their leader.

Watch him on youtube.

Thanks everyone for reading this.

Here you go Kruschev's Shoes on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-er3fkMnFYY

PS. PROSAL, Have a close look at His Shoes.

What (euros) Price tag you put on them.

Jojosun
11-15-12, 16:39
. And you are right, I never write on this forum under Kiev because I find 95% of the material here to have been said and the balance to be macho BS but FTR when I go to the Ukraine it is for my main source of business and the pussy is provided by the Oligarchs who we party with, so I have not much value to add to a generic p4p discussion. I will say this though. And it applies especially to KIEV and Odessa. Hit a bar or club a few times and just watch the women. Get WELL known in a place and then hit on the one / s you really want [somewhere down the road]. And you will be getting semi pro trim at worst and many freebies (taxi money kind). If you do NOT have the time to hit a place 4 or 5 times then JUST PAY FOR it at the aforementioned places.I hope this isn't percieved as "macho BS", but I never do any of the above (re your Club Tips ).

I either hit clubs with a really atractive wingwoman (Bi) or with more than one girl.

This I do in clubs in the EE or in the west.

That said. Few weeks ago I flew with me (The Great Dane) a 6ft, Danish American wingwoman and a great friend (a stunner, but a total DYKE) , in the hope of really scoring in the clubs there.

Was a failure. The Dane and my UA girl hated each other from the moment they met.

Kiev girl didn't want to go out or bring any of her female friends to go out clubbing.

Culture clash? . My great dane didn't think much of the dentists there. Didn't like the people, the weather (She was born in CALIF) , the girls, UA men, the buildings. You name it.

She thought and still does I am insane to keep going back there.

Normally its a hit with her in Clubs in London or the US, especially at clubs in DC.

Prosal
11-15-12, 19:08
PS. PROSAL, Have a close look at His Shoes.It's a very nice, would say Borat.

BTW. I posted a youtube link in the Russian forum, maybe you've missed it?

Song is named "I'm going to live in London" (for the rest, I let you translate wink) , improbable duo between Timati and Gregori Leps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKu3DLJ3bVM

Prosal
11-15-12, 19:57
Prosal.Belvaros, I admittedly get drunk and post shit of questionable relevancy at times but IMO, given numbers of photos, entertaining account featuring lot of booze and women, elaborated lists of where to go in Tashkent, Chisinau, Bucarest or wherever, posts about Russian women psyche, Russian culture, ect, I have certainly earned the right to do so. Furthermore although I may be a jerk, I have met more than a few members from the ISG and I believe that they have found me to be unassuming, personable, and most of all skilled comrade. I hope that I do not come across as a braggart, as those people normally appear quite uncouth online. Furthermore, if some posters indispose you, you still have the option to use the "ignore" button.

It sounds strange BTW that you allegedly go "several times a year" in Kiev and never ever posted a single word on the thread. You seem to be a rather prolix person about everywhere you go, and it's definitely weird that you never posted about a coutry where you allegedly lived and visit regularly.

Global Surfer
11-16-12, 02:26
Hey everyone,

I have traveled alot in the us and have had many experiences of p4p at the hotel bars I was staying in. How about in Kiev. Are there certain hotel bars that have this kind of action? Which ones and what times? Thanks will be heading to Kiev nov 24-26th.Definitely available in khreschatyk hotel. Quality 5-6/10 and service OK. I would not use again unless I have to. I think also available in President Hotel.

I would prefer Mamba if I have time. Alternatively you may try clubs like Caribean, Budha, DLux. You can read information about clubs here but they are at least 2-3 times more expansive than Mamba. Third option is escort agencies like escort model and top model. Pictures mostly are fake but you may still get reasonable quality at reasonable price. It a hit or mis.

Jojosun
11-16-12, 13:01
Belvaros, I admittedly get drunk and post shit of questionable relevancy at times but IMO, given numbers of photos, entertaining account featuring lot of booze and women, elaborated lists of where to go in Tashkent, Chisinau, Bucarest or wherever, posts about Russian women psyche, Russian culture, ect, I have certainly earned the right to do so. Furthermore although I may be a jerk, I have met more than a few members from the ISG and I believe that they have found me to be unassuming, personable, and most of all skilled comrade.

I.I concur with the above. Prosal was the one who got my attention focused on Tashkent.

I was misled by an article on travel there, re prices. Prosal was right. I apologized to him on here.

Furthermore Prosal does post links on relevant subjects, goes out hunting for freebies (not my scene) , posts photos. He posted that he met (2 credible ISG members) in Paris.

In a nutshell he is a Real Person.

I didn't realize at the time that Prosal is or was SINGLE. This accounts for the number of EE girls, he says visit him in PARIS.

The MINI COOPER thing. To be fair to PRO, he only posted that to correct what Climaxnow posted on the Minsk thread " Prosal Drives A Yellow Posrsche ".

Prosal driving a British legend from the 60s speaks volumes. And I bet that Prosal also loves to play (Rule Rule Brittania, Brittania Rules France)

Prosal is not the typical Frenchman either, that the Two Michelin star French chef Claude Bosi, who runs Hibiscus Restaturant <Mayfair, London, had in mind, when he said "France is now a country of Lazy People. They live in the past and just live on their reputations ". .

Mr Bosi also said " I don't employ any Frenchmen in my kitchen. All they do is ask,"What time is my break. As published in Spear's magazine, .

Next thing we we will hear from someone is that (Prosal owns a Yellow Submarine ).

To go with the Fictious Yellow Porsche.

Never mind PROSAL. You can use ""The Yellow Submarine " to Go Down on the EE girls who come to visit you in Paris.

And I bet you will love doing DATY to the lyrics and sound of " We All Live in a Yellow Submarine ".

Another great (British Classic) by the Beatles.

On a side note. Where were you? When The great French Legend Jonny Haliday came to London for a great Live Performance last month. You ain't a follower?

I was on the lookout for you holding in my hand your photo with that girl in Paris.

Thank you for listening.

Jojosun
11-16-12, 13:21
I admittedly get drunk and post shit of questionable relevancy at times.I do it as well. But we mean well. And secondly when you think of it, it ain't half as bad as some of The Bollocks posted very recently on here.

Never mind Prosal. This thread is a like " A Yellow Submarine " we live, lurk and post here.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wrs5DjHNUOE

But what fucks me off, are the ones Who Live in Glass Houses (Probably Partying with Oligarchs at Penthouses, Pussies delivered with the food) slagging off this thread without having posted anything at all.

Jojosun
11-16-12, 14:11
Belvaros, I admittedly get drunk and post shit of questionable relevancy at times but IMO, given numbers of photos, entertaining account featuring lot of booze and women, elaborated lists of where to go in Tashkent, Chisinau, Bucarest or wherever, posts about Russian women psyche, Russian culture, ect, I have certainly earned the right to do so. .Of course you have the right to post, so does anyone who cares to get off his Arse and post here. Whether relevant or not, is a matter of Opinion. And as they say "Opinions are like Asses, we all have one ". .

Isn't it a matter of Freedom of choice these days what we do with our Asses.

To get back on the matter of costs in KIEV for P4P and Clubs, freebies etc.

Its very relevant to compare Kiev's costs with other places. And I am grateful in this respect to Prosal for listing prices in Tashkent.

You'v got to have a certain benchmark of prices to compare with.

After all this board is like a Price Comparison site for sex, be it p4p, semi pros, or freebies.

Liljoey's in depth cost analysis posts are very relevant as well.

Talking about that detailed Article (You said it was the best ever) about Sex In Kiev (KIRCH posted it, he DIDN't Write it). Now I wonder whether it was actually Written by a humble (Liljoey ).

With his track record on here going back to 2010, I should think he is more than capable of writing such an article.

Read his first post here " Where have all the River Palace girls Gone?".

Now, will the real writer of the article please Stand Up?

At least we can give credit where credit is Due.

Aurevoir.

Jojosun
11-16-12, 16:55
it's a very nice, would say borat.

btw. i posted a youtube link in the russian forum, maybe you've missed it?

song is named "i'm going to live in london" (for the rest, i let you translate wink) , improbable duo between timati and gregori leps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wku3dlj3bvmhi prosal. this of relevance here.

i don't lurk on the russian thread. i would if, i see anything on kaliningrad.

you know me i am into p4p and semi pros in ee, if the price is right.

" going to live in london " yes, they can.

brittania is expanding and will include the rest of europe including ukraine and russaia. solving for them" identity issues", and curb corruption.

stopping your politicans [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) hotel maids. teach the wives of yr politicans to stop fucking around.

your salvation is to be ruled by brittania.

anyway look on (susan bullock) here and see if anyone can recommend for me a wench in kiev.

i am serious. susan looks russian, ukrainian and i fancy this type eometimes.

maybe i need to go to that excellent tip of yours, (thenk you babushka) in kiev, .

club <restaurant.

now get yourself a union jack flag and wave it i the air and singalong to go with the atmosphere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmr7x1lpxvq

remember, it was rememberance day in the uk last sunday.

it would be your way of saying thank you for the excellent engish in your informative posts.

you old french git, lol.

LilJoey
11-16-12, 17:02
Of course you have the right to post, so does anyone who cares to get off his Arse and post here. Whether relevant or not, is a matter of Opinion. And as they say "Opinions are like Asses, we all have one ". .

Isn't it a matter of Freedom of choice these days what we do with our Asses.

To get back on the matter of costs in KIEV for P4P and Clubs, freebies etc.

Its very relevant to compare Kiev's costs with other places. And I am grateful in this respect to Prosal for listing prices in Tashkent.

You'v got to have a certain benchmark of prices to compare with.

After all this board is like a Price Comparison site for sex, be it p4p, semi pros, or freebies.

Liljoey's in depth cost analysis posts are very relevant as well.

Talking about that detailed Article (You said it was the best ever) about Sex In Kiev (KIRCH posted it, he DIDN't Write it). Now I wonder whether it was actually Written by a humble (Liljoey ).

With his track record on here going back to 2010, I should think he is more than capable of writing such an article.

Read his first post here " Where have all the River Palace girls Gone?".

Now, will the real writer of the article please Stand Up?

At least we can give credit where credit is Due.

Aurevoir.Thank you for suspecting me, Jojo, because the article posted by Kirch was a good piece of writing. But, nope, it wasn't me. I don't know where he found it. Maybe Kirch will post the link, and we'll all find out, unless it's censored by Big Brother.

LJ

Jojosun
11-16-12, 17:06
It's a very nice, would say Borat.

BTW. I posted a youtube link in the Russian forum, maybe you've missed it?

Song is named "I'm going to live in London" (for the rest, I let you translate wink) , improbable duo between Timati and Gregori Leps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKu3DLJ3bVMHi Prosal,

This of relevance here.

It would be your way of Saying Thank You For the Excellent Engish in Your Informative Posts.

You Old French Git, LOL.

Re Old Git. I meant in this context, (YOU) Getting Older.

Harry Hirsch
11-16-12, 17:56
Hi at all,

Anybody need help with a girl in Kiev?

I know a beautiful redhaired girl, she like all sex.)

22/165cm / 45Kg She looks nearly to a Modell. (9. 0)

For one night with her you must pay 2200grn.

2-3 hours also aviable (1400grn)

When you are interested, send me PN with mail Adress and your age.

Then I send you Foto and Mail Adress from the girl and you must make all clear with her.

LifeSavour
11-16-12, 18:57
Yes I'm having the same issue. Any help would be welcome.Just upgraded and used my +966 mobile! Bez bezarra!

LilJoey
11-16-12, 22:45
Hey everyone,

I have traveled alot in the us and have had many experiences of p4p at the hotel bars I was staying in. How about in Kiev. Are there certain hotel bars that have this kind of action? Which ones and what times? Thanks will be heading to Kiev nov 24-26th.Dear TennisMan,

I see that you only have 4 posts, this one and 3 prior posts asking how / where to get a SIM card for your iPhone 4. So in addition to what GlobalSurfer wrote to you, I would give you the advice that I give all newbies. You must read this thread going back a year or two, wading through all the irrelevant stuff, and picking out the information useful to you, and copy / pasting it into a Word document or similar for later review, in order to arrive at a clearer picture of how to go about a mongering trip to Kiev. I know nothing of your interests save that you liked the ease with which one can pick up hotel bar hookers in other locales you visited and thought you might do the same in Kiev. As you may have gleaned from GlobalSurfer's reply to you, that is a poor choice because Kiev truly has so much more to offer, even lazy guys like me and you!

Since you will be in Kiev next week for the Thanksgiving holiday long weekend, it might be a lot to read, so since many of my own reports are specifically designed to be a summary of information to guide a newbie like yourself, and since you seem to share my viewpoint of doing things efficiently in the way that requires the least effort, I will recommend to you to do a quick review of my postings going back in time, and you will get a fair picture of the various options and how best to go about pursuing them. For the more recent posts, simply click on my username and then click on the option "View Forum Posts" and you will get a list of posts. Hopefully you can go back in time quickly enough to hit some of the summary type reports I did, which will help you. Of course there are reports by many others that are very useful too, but I made a point of creating summaries designed to assist the newbie every once in a while, and in my opinion you will benefit from reading them.

Different mongers on this thread like to monger differently. All prefer to see what the girl looks like before choosing her. So I will comment on the places that allow that first, which includes nightclubs and strip clubs, as well as in streets and stores all over Kiev.

Some like a nightclub atmosphere, and disdain the environment inside a strip club. If that's your thing, then take a look at Kirch's recent multi-part post for the names of the various nightclubs where there are many hookers, much hotter than what you might find in the hotel bar. D'lux seems to be one of the hottest clubs, but the prices asked are higher there also. The Buddha Bar is not a dance nightclub, but rather a restaurant with a bar area that gets a lot of high priced hooker hotties. Lower priced type hookers, or what has become known as "semi-pro" girls who aren't full time hookers, but will do p4p sometimes, are to be found at Caribbean, as per reports earlier on this thread, and Shooters has been a favored club for hooker or semi-pro lower cost WG's.

If you don't care as much about the dance environment, as much as you care about whether the girls will be the hottest and that they will be easy to identify and get to, you should definitely add the strip clubs to your list of mongering, my own favorites being Rio and Mandarin because it has slightly lower prices for take out than other strip clubs.

If you want to take advantage of the low cost girls available in Kiev who go for $75 / hr or $100 / hr, you can either hope to meet such a girl in places like Caribbean club or Shooters where a few members writing on this thread claim it was possible, or you can try the Internet girls who have these low prices. Mamba. Ru is a social website that has a lot of girls doing p4p and you must converse with them to obtain their details and prices, which are pretty low, for the most part. There is also top-modals. Com and other websites. These websites for the most part use fake pictures and if the girl doesn't look good enough you can send her away with taxi fare of around 50 UAH, and keep trying because often enough a good looking hottie will show up.

All of those options are better than limiting yourself to your hotel's bar! But see my earlier posts for further details and the posts of others on this thread.

Kiev is not like the Delrey Hotel in San Jose, Costa Rica where the action is pretty good at the hotel, and the alternative is going to the massage parlors. In Kiev you must go and find the hotties. But how to do so has been laid out for you like a chart.

Also, general opinion is that renting a luxury apartment downtown in the vicinity of Khreshchatyk is the better way, than staying at hotels in Kiev. You get much more for your money in an apartment, including privacy.

And, while I'm writing, let me answer your iPhone 4 question to the extent I can. Go on Google Maps and locate Khreshchatyk Street and look for its intersection with Bogdana Khmelnitskogo Street. It is a "T" intersection. Proceed up Bogdana Khmelnitskogo Street from the intersection and among the first few stores on your left will be the phone store for the telephone provider "Kyivstar". I went in to the Kyivstar store because my existing SIM in an old Blackberry quad band phone was from Kyivstar, and I wanted to know if their SIM card could be used for a data connection, as I wanted to have access to the Internet also, since until now I was only using phone and text messaging services with their prepaid account. Anyways, they said that for a Blackberry they couldn't do a data capable SIM card, and that I should go to the other phone company, which is called "MTC". To get to the MTC store, just go back out onto the street and continue further up Bogdana Khmelnitskogo and look for the MTC store on your right side as you walk, and you will find it about a block or so further up the street. One of these two stores (Kyivstar or MTC) should be able to set you up with a SIM card for your iPhone. Also, before you start walking up Bogdana Khmelnitskogo Street from Khreshchatyk, you might want to simply ask in the iPhone store that is located on Khreshchatyk a few stores from the same intersection (in the direction toward Terasa Shevchenko) where to get the SIM card you need.

Do some reading on this thread. It will come in handy. Good luck mongering in Kiev. I hope you spread your wings farther than your hotel lobby.

LJ

Prosal
11-16-12, 23:17
Hi Prosal,

This of relevance here.

It would be your way of Saying Thank You For the Excellent Engish in Your Informative Posts.Thanks. Dasvidania for tonight (wink)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9RcdLCJkw4

Prosal
11-16-12, 23:31
Just for the record, this video is a running joke against kavkaz (caucasus) people in Russia.

TennisMan
11-17-12, 07:07
Thanks again for your help. I have read all your posts from a year ago and they are most helpful. I am renting from kievapts Alex and staying close to k st. I am walking distance to Rio strip club and looking forwarding to checking it out.

I am from the NYC area and visited ac over the weekend and all the working girls were at the casino hotel bar / clubs. Hadn't read much about it in Kiev. Going along to a dance club for a 47 old doesn't seem all that, but maybe I'll give shooters or delux a shoot too.

I have been working mamba and have several girls phone numbers t, o call when I get there. Can also mamba and vk if I'm bored during the day. I really would love to meet a beautiful 37 year old blond with a perfect body. Just my age thing. If any one can suggest anything else let me know or pm me.

Kirch
11-17-12, 13:12
If you want to find the webpage with the great Kiev Hookers post than just copy and paste some sentences of this report and put into google.

It's an expat from Kiev wrote this.

MikePop69
11-17-12, 18:24
Dear TennisMan,

I see that you only have 4 posts, this one and 3 prior posts asking how / where to get a SIM card for your iPhone 4. So in addition to what GlobalSurfer wrote to you, I would give you the advice that I give all newbies. You must read this thread going back a year or two, wading through all the irrelevant stuff, and picking out the information useful to you, and copy / pasting it into a Word document or similar for later review, in order to arrive at a clearer picture of how to go about a mongering trip to Kiev. I know nothing of your interests save that you liked the ease with which one can pick up hotel bar hookers in other locales you visited and thought you might do the same in Kiev. As you may have gleaned from GlobalSurfer's reply to you, that is a poor choice because Kiev truly has so much more to offer, even lazy guys like me and you!

Since you will be in Kiev next week for the Thanksgiving holiday long weekend, it might be a lot to read, so since many of my own reports are specifically designed to be a summary of information to guide a newbie like yourself, and since you seem to share my viewpoint of doing things efficiently in the way that requires the least effort, I will recommend to you to do a quick review of my postings going back in time, and you will get a fair picture of the various options and how best to go about pursuing them. For the more recent posts, simply click on my username and then click on the option "View Forum Posts" and you will get a list of posts. Hopefully you can go back in time quickly enough to hit some of the summary type reports I did, which will help you. Of course there are reports by many others that are very useful too, but I made a point of creating summaries designed to assist the newbie every once in a while, and in my opinion you will benefit from reading them.

Different mongers on this thread like to monger differently. All prefer to see what the girl looks like before choosing her. So I will comment on the places that allow that first, which includes nightclubs and strip clubs, as well as in streets and stores all over Kiev.

Some like a nightclub atmosphere, and disdain the environment inside a strip club. If that's your thing, then take a look at Kirch's recent multi-part post for the names of the various nightclubs where there are many hookers, much hotter than what you might find in the hotel bar. D'lux seems to be one of the hottest clubs, but the prices asked are higher there also. The Buddha Bar is not a dance nightclub, but rather a restaurant with a bar area that gets a lot of high priced hooker hotties. Lower priced type hookers, or what has become known as "semi-pro" girls who aren't full time hookers, but will do p4p sometimes, are to be found at Caribbean, as per reports earlier on this thread, and Shooters has been a favored club for hooker or semi-pro lower cost WG's.

If you don't care as much about the dance environment, as much as you care about whether the girls will be the hottest and that they will be easy to identify and get to, you should definitely add the strip clubs to your list of mongering, my own favorites being Rio and Mandarin because it has slightly lower prices for take out than other strip clubs.

If you want to take advantage of the low cost girls available in Kiev who go for $75 / hr or $100 / hr, you can either hope to meet such a girl in places like Caribbean club or Shooters where a few members writing on this thread claim it was possible, or you can try the Internet girls who have these low prices. Mamba. Ru is a social website that has a lot of girls doing p4p and you must converse with them to obtain their details and prices, which are pretty low, for the most part. There is also top-modals. Com and other websites. These websites for the most part use fake pictures and if the girl doesn't look good enough you can send her away with taxi fare of around 50 UAH, and keep trying because often enough a good looking hottie will show up.

All of those options are better than limiting yourself to your hotel's bar! But see my earlier posts for further details and the posts of others on this thread.

Kiev is not like the Delrey Hotel in San Jose, Costa Rica where the action is pretty good at the hotel, and the alternative is going to the massage parlors. In Kiev you must go and find the hotties. But how to do so has been laid out for you like a chart.

Also, general opinion is that renting a luxury apartment downtown in the vicinity of Khreshchatyk is the better way, than staying at hotels in Kiev. You get much more for your money in an apartment, including privacy.

And, while I'm writing, let me answer your iPhone 4 question to the extent I can. Go on Google Maps and locate Khreshchatyk Street and look for its intersection with Bogdana Khmelnitskogo Street. It is a "T" intersection. Proceed up Bogdana Khmelnitskogo Street from the intersection and among the first few stores on your left will be the phone store for the telephone provider "Kyivstar". I went in to the Kyivstar store because my existing SIM in an old Blackberry quad band phone was from Kyivstar, and I wanted to know if their SIM card could be used for a data connection, as I wanted to have access to the Internet also, since until now I was only using phone and text messaging services with their prepaid account. Anyways, they said that for a Blackberry they couldn't do a data capable SIM card, and that I should go to the other phone company, which is called "MTC". To get to the MTC store, just go back out onto the street and continue further up Bogdana Khmelnitskogo and look for the MTC store on your right side as you walk, and you will find it about a block or so further up the street. One of these two stores (Kyivstar or MTC) should be able to set you up with a SIM card for your iPhone. Also, before you start walking up Bogdana Khmelnitskogo Street from Khreshchatyk, you might want to simply ask in the iPhone store that is located on Khreshchatyk a few stores from the same intersection (in the direction toward Terasa Shevchenko) where to get the SIM card you need.

Do some reading on this thread. It will come in handy. Good luck mongering in Kiev. I hope you spread your wings farther than your hotel lobby.

LJHi looks like know Kiev good.

I need some hepl and here is what I am looking for. Independents.

Websites where I can fine independents on. Did try mail. Ru and mamba with no luck.

Websites where I can fine info on the stripclubs in Kiev.

What are the good clubs to fine W / G, s in like Shooters.

In your book what should I do rent a apt or a hotel.

TY for any info you have. Mike

Climaxnow
11-17-12, 19:49
I meant "Paying more than US$100 " First Hour " in KIEV is not "Shit" or Illegal, its just being an IDIOT." or better a man who pays 100$ for the first hour of pseudo-sex, then that.$100 / hr is a good basic measure of price in Kiev. However, most of the quality girls are not going to come over for just a one hour meeting. You will have to either pay more if you want only an hour or you will have to compensate with multiple hour meetings.

Also, the girls do know what there pussy is worth. A pretty college girl that speaks English with good social and performance skills is not going to charge the same as a village girl from a salon. I am a newbie to Kiev, but the more I come to understand this specific scene, the more I realize how rampant prostitution and sponsorship are in Kiev. It's not so obvious because most of what is going on is quietly through the internet. Physical venues like Rio are just relics from the old days in Kiev when girls had no other way to market themselves. Night club girls tend to be hard core and frankly I would be scared to have one late night in my apartment.

AColonizer
11-18-12, 00:55
It is clear you DO NOT know what is economy.

OK, change our matter: I am worth more than 10 top-models, therefore why do I pay a girl to meet me, one of the best man in the world? At last, those girls could choice among dozens of rich and sincere lovers, but they prefer to live as a prostitute, therefore they don't deserve anything good: why do we have to pay them? They are just the descendants of Lilith.

And the second and not less important, since I have sex with a Slavic girlfriend, and I have sex much more than all prostitutes whom I met, and then I have realized how stupid I was when I paid high prices for little sex. There is no good reasons to pay high prices. Moreover all over the world is in a long epoch of economic crisis, therefore there is no good reasons again. Therefore 100$ is a huge rate for a first hour for a place like Kiev in Ukraine and for an usual sex. It is a honest rate only if you give multiple fistings and pissing actions and group sex without condom. This experience said! All the rest are chronic troubles in male brains.


$100 / hr is a good basic measure of price in Kiev. However, most of the quality girls are not going to come over for just a one hour meeting. You will have to either pay more if you want only an hour or you will have to compensate with multiple hour meetings.

Also, the girls do know what there pussy is worth. A pretty college girl that speaks English with good social and performance skills is not going to charge the same as a village girl from a salon. I am a newbie to Kiev, but the more I come to understand this specific scene, the more I realize how rampant prostitution and sponsorship are in Kiev. It's not so obvious because most of what is going on is quietly through the internet. Physical venues like Rio are just relics from the old days in Kiev when girls had no other way to market themselves. Night club girls tend to be hard core and frankly I would be scared to have one late night in my apartment.

LilJoey
11-18-12, 01:34
Thanks again for your help. I have read all your posts from a year ago and they are most helpful. I am renting from kievapts Alex and staying close to k st. I am walking distance to Rio strip club and looking forwarding to checking it out.

I am from the NYC area and visited ac over the weekend and all the working girls were at the casino hotel bar / clubs. Hadn't read much about it in Kiev. Going along to a dance club for a 47 old doesn't seem all that, but maybe I'll give shooters or delux a shoot too.

I have been working mamba and have several girls phone numbers t, o call when I get there. Can also mamba and vk if I'm bored during the day. I really would love to meet a beautiful 37 year old blond with a perfect body. Just my age thing. If any one can suggest anything else let me know or pm me.Ok, TennisMan, it seems from your latest post that you have been preparing yourself correctly for Kiev mongering. Some comments:

MAMBA:

I don't think you can overwork mamba in the few weeks before a trip because a lot of times numbers you have collected don't result in a meeting with a hot girl, either because no one answers when you call for the date when you finally get to Kiev, or whoever answers the phone doesn't speak English (remember a lot if these numbers are girl apartments or agencies) , or the girl isn't available just then because she went to another city to visit her mama, or any number of other reasons. And of course a percentage of the girls who show up will not look good enough to meet your standards for p4p. So it is wise to prepare a surplus of mamba contacts for those eventualities. Another reason is that some girls use multiple profiles, and so you may think you have contacts for three girls, only to find out they are all profiles for only one girl.

And you must copy the photos and telephone numbers and prices mentioned and other details you want to have available onto a separate Word document, because the majority of profiles of girls you may have interacted with will be deleted within the span of even two or three weeks. I always assumed that it was an indication of an agency who was switching around the photos for some reason. But one time a girl I was interested in became a deleted profile. And since I had her number, I called her and asked her why she deleted her profile and did it mean she was no longer available? She answered that it wasn't her that deleted her own profile, but rather it was the Administrators of the mamba website. Apparently they monitor profiles and certain type of correspondence gets flagged as being objectionable and they delete those profiles. That's assuming she told me the truth. I really don't know what is the truth as to who is responsible for the continuous deletions of girl profiles on mamba. But it is a fact of life on that website. So get a reasonable surplus of contacts, and keep a copy. Although there is copy protection that prevents copying of pictures from mamba, You can lift a copy of the girls pictures by copying screenshots of the computer monitor.

APARTMENT:

Kievapts is good, I've used them for a long time and always was satisfied. And Alex speaks perfect English and will make sure everything is in working order if you have any issues with the apartment. I've always taken apartments in the $100. $130 per night range, and they were always very good, much better quality than the space you could get for such price at a hotel. If you rented an apartment just off the Maidan or anywhere that there are policemen likely to be walking around, you need to take the precaution of minimizing the amount of time you are on the sidewalk before entry into your door together with a girl. The downtown police have taken to the practice of hassling foreigners with young girls going into their apartments by asking for passports and I'd and creating a hassle in order to be offered a small payoff. So it's best to have the taxi stop directly in front of your door, so you can exit the taxi and enter your building door quickly. This doesn't have to be an issue in other areas of the city or different streets, but in the Maidan area and apartments on the streets just off the Maidan, it has happened.

NIGHTCLUBS:

If you go to a nightclub, hang out by the bar. If you want to meet Working Girls, this is where they hang, and where they find their men. Don't worry about going by yourself. It's the best way to meet other people when you are alone at the bar. You are easier for a WG to approach you. Look for ladies who make eye contact with you. If you get an eye lock, just smile invitingly and give her a nod. Most likely she will approach you, or if you want you can approach her. In this respect it works the same way as at the Atlantic City casino hotel bars you mentioned. My policy is that I treat it as a normal meeting with a normal girl, I. E. A freebie, and let her know I'm available for some fun. I let her be the one to bring up the subject of money first. If she's a WG, she must.

NEGOTIATIONS:

Then negotiate for a reasonable price. Your goal should be to not pay more than $100 per hour net. That's the benchmark. You should try to pay less than that. It has been reported that it is possible to get girls at certain nightclubs for $200/2hours. That's a lower total cost than one will pay in any strip club, and therefore it is worth pursuing that possibility in the nightclubs, before going to a strip club where you will have a minimum take out fee of $300/3hours.

There are clubs where it is reported by some on this thread that it is possible to get a hottie for more than 1 hour for $100, or for more than 2 hours for $150. That would be beating the benchmark. It's probably not possible with the hottest girls, but maybe with semi-pro student types at Caribbean club, or other places mentioned in the thread.

But if you go out to the high end nightclubs like D'lux, the girls will be flashier and hotter, and the prices higher. If you went to D'lux, or Buddha Bar, for example, and interact with a WG, She will most likely demand something way too high like $400 or $500. Why not? There are some dummies who pay exorbitant amounts because they don't know any better. The price is also a factor of time together. So $400 for 1 or even 2 hours is a very high price, and out of the question, but $400 for all night or 8 hours, is already within the realm of reasonable, if the girl is a top model type on the level of a 9 or 10, and you have some way of making sure that what you want is included. Her flexibility in the negotiation will be a factor of her level of beauty and of the lateness of the hour. A very beautiful 9 or 10 at the beginning of the evening will not come down in her price so easily for you, as she has the possibility of other prospects. So if a 9 or 10 girl says $500 or $400, I always ask if that is for the whole night, because, if so, I would think about it, but if not for the whoke night, then for how many hours does she want $400? If she says for 1 hour, or even if she says for 2 hours, I say that she is very beautiful but for Kiev I think such numbers are too high. In Kiev many pretty girls are available for less than $100 an hour, so I ask if for 2 hours she is interested in $200. That's actually a number I would go for if she is very beautiful and the necessary services are included. Most likely she will turn up her nose and move on. But she may come back, either right then or later after some time passes, with $300 for 2 hours. My response will depend on if I really do want her, or am I just seeing what's possible. So I might say that it's too high, and $200 is the right number for 2 hours. If she's really hungry she might say $250. Or instead, I might say that I could only consider a fee of $300 for 4 hours, but for 3 hours I would consider the $250 she mentioned. And that could be a deal, or she may turn up her nose again and move on.

I'm sure there are guys on this thread who are harder negotiators than I am. But the way I figure it, the bench marks for price in Kiev are a combination of the prices prevalent with the website girls like mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com, where some nice looking girls are asking for $75 / hour, but most of the hotter girls are asking for at least $100 / hour; as well as the prices available at a strip club like Rio where it costs $300 for 3 hours for take out, which also boils down to a Net Rate of $100 / hour. So based on that, I feel that I don't want to be paying any hottie I met in a nightclub more than this benchmark rate of $100 per hour. Because otherwise, I could go to Rio and get a girl who is very hot for 3 hours for $300. So for me, if a girl in a nightclub who is sizzling hot, and provides the necessary services, wants $300, I need to get from her at least 3 hours, or more hours if possible, so I ask for 4 hours. That way I know I got a better deal with her, than I would have gotten at Rio. Some have pointed out that in order to get one of the 3 hour dates at Rio, you need to add to the $300 take out fee, about $100 of ancillary expenses for entrance fees, manager tips, private dances, and drinks for oneself and girls. It's true therefore that the real cost for a 3 hour take out date comes to nearly $400, and so the hourly cost is really about $133 / hour. Based on that viewpoint I guess a fee to a nightclub girl for 2 hours of $250, really should be acceptable, since that's also a Net Rate of $125 / hr, and comparable to the rate at Rio. By that reasoning, I could accept a $250/2hours offer from a nightclub girl, and still be within the benchmark range.

So if you are comfortable with a total outlay for a p4p girl of numbers like $300 or $400, you can monger in a high end nightclub like D'lux or Buddha Bar, or a strip club like Rio or Mandarin (sister clubs with same $300 take out price) , or Dolls a competing strip club with a take out price of $300/2hours. Rio (and Mandarin) have an all night take out fee of $400, while Dolls has an all night take out fee of $500.

For those guys that don't want to pay a total outlay of $300 or more for a girl, they must forget about any strip clubs, and avoid high end nightclubs like D'lux or Buddha Bar, and try out nightclubs like Caribbean, or Shooters or Avalon, and try their hand at getting girls for $200/2hours or less, which is reported as possible.

The other low cost option of the Internet girls on mamba. Ru or top-modals. Com and other websites will allow you to easily get to girls who take $100 / hour or $75 / hour, and discount any additional hours, but these girls cannot be seen beforehand, and you will see what they look like only when they show up. This causes a lot of time waste as you have to send away the girls that don't appeal to you, and continue to invite additional girls until you find something good enough. It's very inefficient and time consuming, but it's much cheaper. In my last few visits to Kiev, I have focused on mamba girls, and only went to Rio a few times, and I was lucky to find some pretty good mamba girls. They weren't as hot as the best Rio girls, but had good sexy bodies and good enough faces that I considered them sexy and desirable, like a 6 or 7, so I enjoyed it, and appreciated the cost savings. But it didn't have the thrill of the very beautiful girls I could get at Rio or at a nightclub at the higher prices. To each his own.

I'm looking at mamba profiles of women in the 30s and 40s, and most don't look that good. It seems like you should focus on girls in the 20s. In Kiev it perfectly acceptable for a guy in the 40s to be with girls in the 20s.

Good luck.

LJ

Global Surfer
11-18-12, 02:40
$100 / hr is a good basic measure of price in Kiev. However, most of the quality girls are not going to come over for just a one hour meeting. You will have to either pay more if you want only an hour or you will have to compensate with multiple hour meetings.

Also, the girls do know what there pussy is worth. A pretty college girl that speaks English with good social and performance skills is not going to charge the same as a village girl from a salon. I am a newbie to Kiev, but the more I come to understand this specific scene, the more I realize how rampant prostitution and sponsorship are in Kiev. It's not so obvious because most of what is going on is quietly through the internet. Physical venues like Rio are just relics from the old days in Kiev when girls had no other way to market themselves. Night club girls tend to be hard core and frankly I would be scared to have one late night in my apartment.Any girl in your room for hard cash is hard core. It is immaterial you picked her up from Rio or the internet. Infect Rio girls are like to be safe bet as they have been scrutinized by the club and are traceable.

More money is not directly proportional to better service. That is down to honestly and professionalism of the service provider. Chemistry and vibe also play a significant role. A few would charge you USD 100 from mamba but USD 200/300 from Buddha bar (I personally know two of them)

Jojosun
11-18-12, 05:18
. Chemistry and vibe also play a significant role. A few would charge you USD 100 from mamba but USD 200/300 from Buddha bar (I personally know two of them)I personally knew more than one girl from River Palace who had profiles on Flirt. Com with prices at around 600 uah / h Sept 2009. One was called Love20 on Flirt.

I met her within 2 hours of landing in Kiev, having phoned her first. She wanted US$ 200 from 11pm till 5 am. She was a real stunner, but I passed.

I thought at the time that it was too much to pay in Kiev. She looked like I " can't believe it" that I turned her down. Her words when she left " I am not a Prostitute " ".

When I went to River Palace later on that night she was there.

I posted on her and on other girls in oct 09.

At the club it was US 300 or the lowest US200 for few hours. One wanted US$400.

Two or Three Tier prices for many girls, even in London, Vegas, Houston, you name it.

Had few RP girls at US$ 100 happy hours next day.

Prices are not set in stone. I pay what I feel like paying, if I can afford it.

LilJoey
11-18-12, 06:45
Hi looks like know Kiev good.

I need some hepl and here is what I am looking for. Independents.

Websites where I can fine independents on. Did try mail. Ru and mamba with no luck.

Websites where I can fine info on the stripclubs in Kiev.

What are the good clubs to fine W / G, s in like Shooters.

In your book what should I do rent a apt or a hotel.

TY for any info you have. MikeHi Mike,

You're asking some questions just asked by another member, so I'll assume you are reading the thread and will see the comments on apartment rental, and names of nightclubs. My information about strip clubs I wrote about comes from visiting the clubs, not from any website. In fact this website, and this thread probably have the most info about Kiev strip clubs, so read this thread, especially posts by TheKnight who reviewed many of the strip clubs, and my own reports on Rio, a number of which were referenced on the Reports of Distinction thread. As to your question about a website for independents, I don't know if there is any. Many girls on mamba claim to be individual or independent, but the truth of that is unknown. The girls in nightclubs seem to be independents, so go to nightclubs to find independents and continue looking on mamba.

LJ

Guntherus
11-19-12, 02:32
I have noticed that a lot of girls in Kiev post very professional photography of themselves in there profiles. Is this a sign of sponsorship? Maybe girls are just into photography in Kiev.Yeah, I think this is popular with the girls. I once had a photo session going on in tha stairs outside my flat when I brought a girl home, one later also witnessed photos being made in a small side-street. Sponsorship or not, last September my girlfriend showed me ten new, large photos when we were having dinner. They were professionally made, I admired it and told her what I thought was the best, but forgot to ask her what for they were. I presume she likes to be able to present herself nicely, even if she has no profile on Mamba or the like. Just as she dresses elegantly and differently every time we meet. RollB

Guntherus
11-19-12, 02:39
. It seems like you should focus on girls in the 20s. In Kiev it perfectly acceptable for a guy in the 40s to be with girls in the 20s.Agree. Honest, before they reach 20 they tend to be complaining that I am to old for them!

Jojosun
11-19-12, 13:30
Just for the record, this video is a running joke against kavkaz (caucasus) people in Russia.And it was no joke when it was one of the (caucasus) people, (Georgia) who ruled the Russian People. .

STALIN showed them and few other FSU countries, how to hold Elections that really matter "The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everthing ".

That hot Blondie (Julia Tymoshenko) now in Prison in Kiev and pro Russian parties keep winning the Elections.

Russia is now a one man show called PUTIN.

Yeah they can joke about the (Caucasus) people.

Prosal
11-19-12, 17:32
And it was no joke when it was one of the (caucasus) people, (Georgia) who ruled the Russian People.Right. And the "second most feared" in the system was Lavrenti Beria, who was also georgian. Jokes apart, gorgian people are nice and very welcoming. Girls are something to behold also. And Saperavi is a rather good wine.

Lincs007
11-19-12, 18:18
Hi Gents.

Have just arrived for the very first time in Kiev and would like to arrange a massage in my Hotel. Does anyone have any contacts for girls that would visit?

Please PM me.

Thanks

Global Surfer
11-20-12, 00:15
And it was no joke when it was one of the (caucasus) people, (Georgia) who ruled the Russian People. .

STALIN showed them and few other FSU countries, how to hold Elections that really matter "The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everthing ".

That hot Blondie (Julia Tymoshenko) now in Prison in Kiev and pro Russian parties keep winning the Elections.

Russia is now a one man show called PUTIN.

Yeah they can joke about the (Caucasus) people.Very few people know that President Putin mother was from Gerogia.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3568891/Could-this-woman-be-Vladimir-Putins-real-mother.html

Prosal
11-20-12, 12:14
Prosal,

No offense, but that video was a piece of brilliant Russian Hip-Hop satire. Think Beastie Boys Sabotage video which was a satire of 1970s American Cop shows. Satirical and ironic humor do not play so well in Eastern Europe, not sure why. Timati the first guy who rapsis a well known Russian Hip-Hop artist. Absolutely hilarious!Hum, ok, I admit that I might be wrong about that, but still I will dig (smilie). I thought it was a kind of kavkaz party or wedding where famous rap singers (yeah, including Timati) were invited. The fact is admittedly that you might be right, given the hilarious and disgusted reaction of the Russian girls to who I talked of this song. You know the disdain of Russian people for Caucasus people (which is unjustified IMO, caucasus people being as a whole much more welcoming and friendly than russians, at least it has been my experience in Georgia).

As a side note, and to come back to women, I find that georgian women (and more globally, kavkas women) are a kind of "antithesis" of ukrainian women. Those Caucasus (georgian, armenian, ingushian, chechen, dagestian, ect) societies are very marriage-orientated and family-orientated traditional societies, and women act accordingly. If I was seeking a wife, I'd choose one of this genealogy. They are usually selfless, honest, passionate and loyal, and take pride in being "good" women. Many are visual viagra also, if you are into white-skinned brunettes with persian faces and hot Russian bodies.

Climaxnow
11-20-12, 18:46
Hum, ok, I admit that I might be wrong about that, but still I will dig (smilie). I thought it was a kind of kavkaz party or wedding where famous rap singers (yeah, including Timati) were invited. The fact is admittedly that you might be right, given the hilarious and disgusted reaction of the Russian girls to who I talked of this song. You know the disdain of Russian people for Caucasus people (which is unjustified IMO, caucasus people being as a whole much more welcoming and friendly than russians, at least it has been my experience in Georgia).

As a side note, and to come back to women, I find that georgian women (and more globally, kavkas women) are a kind of "antithesis" of ukrainian women. Those Caucasus (georgian, armenian, ingushian, chechen, dagestian, ect) societies are very marriage-orientated and family-orientated traditional societies, and women act accordingly. If I was seeking a wife, I'd choose one of this genealogy. They are usually selfless, honest, passionate and loyal, and take pride in being "good" women. Many are visual viagra also, if you are into white-skinned brunettes with persian faces and hot Russian bodies.Georgian men are among the most desirable potential partners for Russian women and Ukrainians alike. They are perceived as strong and family oriented.

AColonizer
11-21-12, 01:08
Oooff! Passion, marriage-oriented, love, everything works if you are wealthy, with no matter of oldness, ugliness, laziness, dirtiness: money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac!

And goes on, a price is a honest price if there is a honest service. Paying 100$ for a pussy condomed fucking even if she is a top-model, that is just and only a theft!

Did nobody learn from this forum?

Prosal
11-21-12, 01:56
Georgian men are among the most desirable potential partners for Russian women and Ukrainians alike.I don't think so. But what do I know?

Jojosun
11-21-12, 12:55
Very few people know that President Putin mother was from Gerogia.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3568891/Could-this-woman-be-Vladimir-Putins-real-mother.htmlFor what its worth, now I read that Staliin's Father was in fact a Ukrainian-French- Jewish Banker by the name of (Maurice Euphrussi.)

http://www.henrymakow.com/stalin_was_not_a_rothschild.html

A good book to read (Young Stalin) by Simon Sebag Montefiore.

I can imagine UA and Russian females being far more interested in a monger showing them an interest in their history and socities than talking "To Them " about.

"Pissing on them, Fisting their Holes, Fucking them without Condoms " and then leaving with a (Lot Of Shit ).

And at the end of the day, probably the only thing the monger can end up with is,

A Scoop Of Poo.

Jojosun
11-21-12, 13:06
Very few people know that President Putin mother was from Gerogia.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3568891/Could-this-woman-be-Vladimir-Putins-real-mother.htmlFor what its worth, now I read that Staliin's Father was in fact a Ukrainian-French- Jewish Banker by the name of (Maurice Euphrussi.)

http://www.henrymakow.com/stalin_was_not_a_rothschild.html

A good book to read (Young Stalin) by Simon Sebag Montefiore.

I can imagine UA and Russian females being far more interested in a monger showing them an interest in their history and socities than talking "To Them " about.

"Pissing on them, Fisting their Holes, Fucking them without Condoms " and then leaving with a (Lot Of Shit ).

And at the end of the day, probably the only thing the said monger can end up with is,

A Scoop Of Poo.

Happy Mongering.

Jojosun
11-21-12, 17:55
As a side note, and to come back to women, I find that georgian women (and more globally, kavkas women) are a kind of "antithesis" of ukrainian women. Those Caucasus (georgian, armenian, ingushian, chechen, dagestian, ect) societies are very marriage-orientated and family-orientated traditional societies, and women act accordingly. If I was seeking a wife, I'd choose one of this genealogy. They are usually selfless, honest, passionate and loyal, and take pride in being "good" women. Many are visual viagra also, if you are into white-skinned brunettes with persian faces and hot Russian bodies..

On this subject I know that you know a lot more than a lot of Posters here.

I met Armenians in Boston, Water Town MASS, Glendale CALIF. They were Christans and quite conservative.

I thought " chechen, dagestan" peoples are more than 90% per cent Muslim. A lot of them covered head to toe. Did you get anywhere near them "visual viagra".

OK, now I understand a bit about Tashkent, Uzbekistan reading your Posts and others, BUT going to look for a Wife in Chechnia and Dagestan.

Why not the Tatar girls in KIEV and in Crimea? .

Met a really Hot Tatar girl in KIEV in 2009. I Didn't need to go Crimea.

Fished her out of (Kiev Post) newspaper at the time.

She was young hot and wasn't covered, but she gave me Covered Sex including the Oral Part. Donation was UAH 750.

There are a lot of Tatar girls in Kiev for someone looking or a Wife.

Travel69
11-22-12, 00:12
This dating site does not have "sex for money anymore". Some reported here somewhere that mamba does not that option any more.

Only option friendship, dating, travel. What to do about this?