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Thank you for your kind words, HD.
And the presence of veteran guys like you, and CD, has been missed on this thread for a bit of time. Glad you are both back.
LJAgreed.
I would also miss Irish Lad (Born in Nigeria, Lives in Kiev, to be found at Shooters Club Usual table on Wednesdays wearing a White T Shirt on the front reads " What are you looking at, Fuck OFF" ).
Would also miss another veteran UkeBoy. His first reply to my question, re Salons " Do you want us to Change your Nappies "
These are not bad people in general, and girls dress to kill because competition is fierce for a guy, any guy, since the locals for the most part are completely useless as men, husbands, workers, etc. These chics are not bad and yes, they can fall in love with you as you may be a good alternative to them, and not just for your money or your passport. Also be careful, you may fall in love there as many men I known over the past few years. To include myself. UA chicks are extremely feminine, sex-starved, attention-starved, giggly and for the most part, naive. Yep, still not kidding.
Althought I agree with some of your words, they must be taken with a grain of salt. Long gone are the days when FSU girls opened their legs just because a sex-starved foreigner showed up. As I said above, a foreigner is now rather a subject of distrust (and sometimes of mockery, and even of disdain) than of attraction. About their supposed "naivity"", IMO girls are anything but naive. They perfectly know why foreigners come to Ukraine. To fuck. They are not stupid and they know the deal.Actually, if a foreigner was to rise above the tourists, it would be just as Pedro said. "These are not bad people" is a perfect description for Ukrainians.
On a side note, I started reading Ukraine expat forums. I found it interesting that the members go out of there way not discuss issues relating to sex as to not be classified a sexpat. The funny thing is that these same members are all in Ukraine for women.
To All Newbies:
This is an example of very useful information, of the kind that should be copy / pasted into you summary document, for use during your Kiev trip. If you don't do that, you will find yourself at some point in the future in Kiev spending hours to hunt down that post you once saw that had the cheap taxi information.
Thanks to Jojosun for posting the info.Thanks LJ for your comments.
I know how frustrating it can be to find an honest English Speaking Taxi Driver or a company with English speaking Dispatchers in Kiev.
Before going to Kiev for the first time in 2009, I posted in this thread requesting such info or any pointers. Didn't get any feedback.
When I got there, the lovely girl on reception called the above Taxi company for me. Got friendly with one young taxi driver. Once I took him with me to Tixi Omut Strip Club on the other side of the Dnipro River. Paid for a private dance by 2 stunners for both of us, He was over the moon.
He really appreciated it by switching the meter off for all the time we were in the club.
Return fare for a couple of hours was 70 UAH.
Have you been to Seoul? . I was really impressed by the Taxi service there. If you don't speak Korean and the driver can't understand you, you can take advantage of the Free Interpretation Service. This is offered and advertised in all Taxis in Seoul. You will see a sign with a number to call. The call centre speak English, Japanese and Chinese and will tell the driver where to bring you. If you don't have a phone you can use the taxi driver's phone.
Haven't seen anything like it anywhere else in the world, Have You?
Talking about Taxis and Taxi Drivers. The best Taxi drivers in the world are the Black Cab drivers in London. The worst Assholes are to be found driving cabs in NYC speaking Gibberish. As if you didn't know this already.
Member #4491
01-05-13, 02:50
IMHO Mamba is best complimented with some other virtual meeting points. I will normally take an hour every now and then and send messages to as many girls I am allowed to in 24 hours. I always select on pictures, age preference and on the text (Chrome has a translation plug in) , but not go primarily on what would be considered obvious sex providers since these are often just a fake and a waste of time. The Tineye Chrome plugin will help you to detect reused pictures. From this flooding maybe only a couple emerges that seem both real and interested. A natural step is to Google her email, once you get that. You will most often find a trail on various advertisement and job seeking sites from any real girl. If they are real they are cautions like a trout in a gin clear creek, and most often very passively aggressive initially. I normally do not pay too much attention to what women say to me, since it is most often what they want to happen and not how it will be, but in this first phase it is easy to make one or two fatal mistakes and the contact is broken with all the ranting she believe she needs to conduct the imaginary restoration of her damaged pride.
Assuming that the traps are avoided and the general aggression towards the male population are avoided and we stay "friends", I always try to add the female on Skype, FB, VK or some other site. The primary reason is obvious, but it also allows you to check out friends of her. I have not been to Ukraine a lot but have a few circles of female friends that are open to share Barba's cash among themselves. In Asia it is easier, but the principle the same. Fuck one and be nice to her, and she will introduce you to her student friends in need. And share some good contacts with you monger buddies, and they will share with you (hopefully).
It is wise to install all the Android applications for these sites. At least the Mamba one use localization based on IP and once U-turn up in Kiev or Kharkov, many girls suddenly become much more interested to chat and meet. In the past I never really knew what bottles to bring for my dates when I flew into a city, but nowadays I lean on a great quote by the French gastronome Jean-Anthelme Brillat-Savarin;"Burgundy makes you think off silly things, Bordeaux makes you talk of them and Champagne makes you do them."
The girls that see me as a walking money bag do not chit chat so much on for example Skype, but half of the girls I do end up adding on these various forums are more towards GFE and not P4P providers in the strict sense. Work brings my to UA and the "I do not go there for sex"-story is more or less water proof, so some long term relations are maintained. Some messages ever now and then and after some months, you are practically friends. This is recognized as the KongKing sniffing phase for anyone that hang in the Asian ISG area. If you are ready with the sniffing, you can move on to doggy faster.
As Poker Player wrote it is easy to fall for these girls. I am normally in love for several minutes after I leave a city, with several girls, and have a couple of young pretty girls for next trip that I even consider to travel with. I have a partner I like a lot in many ways, so for me to take time and travel with someone else is rare.
One of my fuck friends and one of my girlfriends in Ukraine will undress and play with themselves on cam every now or then, when I want to jerk off. This is not so common with for example the more conservative Philippina teen girlfriends I have in the provincial south. To get the religious pinays (not the worn out hoes) of the south to finger fuck themselves on cam requires a LOT of convincing, but at least these two Ukrainian girls seems to love to masturbate together every now and then. Or to just accommodate my wishes for the sake of being good females.
For time or money invested you will get "more pleasure" in Asia IMHO, both when it comes to GFE or pure sexual experiences, but I love the way girls in UA look and the fact that they are closer to us culturally means that conversations are way more stimulating. My number one GF in Davao really loves a big cock in he little body and is relatively speaking well educated, yet she will always turn on cartoons when I take a shower. Cute at first but the intellectual gap is a slight challenge.
Barba is scheduled to go back to Ukraine in February so it is time to intensify the chatting and flooding. With a fresh memory of how close I was to total failure a couple of trips back (saved by my mates 007 and TheKnight. Thanks again!) , it is safe to say that one can never have too many candidates lined up. And I will share if you share, so PMs are appreciated.
Cheers!
Barba
Muratca2006
01-05-13, 12:18
I will go to Kiev in 29th January. I searched girl from Kiev (May be escort too). I looked mamba. Ru but a lot of girl giving same phone number. I think photos not real. I need help all members. Please sand me real escort girls adress or independent girls number or web adress. Please.
And If you know girl with real photo from Mamba. Ru, sand me nema or number. Thank you very much. Which clubs girl I can take it out with money?
Best regards
In the past I never really knew what bottles to bring for my dates when I flew into a city, but nowadays I lean on a great quote by the French gastronome Jean-Anthelme Brillat-Savarin;"Burgundy makes you think off silly things, Bordeaux makes you talk of them and Champagne makes you do them."I personally like to bring something stronger, like fine rum. Something like Wray & Nephew White Overproof 63° Rum which is merely the best high strength rum in the world. If your date agrees to go to your apartment to taste her gift, make her two or three well-dosed mojitos or ti-punchs (don't forget to bring also sugar can) , and it's drunk sex guaranteed.
As a side note, to fill my fridge with alcohol (notably Baileys, girls love it) is the very first thing I do when I arrive somewhere.
Thanks LJ for your comments.
Talking about Taxis and Taxi Drivers. The best Taxi drivers in the world are the Black Cab drivers in London. The worst Assholes are to be found driving cabs in NYC speaking Gibberish. As if you didn't know this already.Come to think of it. This Title should really go to the Taxi Drivers in Tokyo.
Unlike London Taxis, You are not expected to tip as the price is fully inclusive. Taxi driving in Tokyo is a profession and standards apply. It's clearly visible when you see the immaculate uniforms most drivers wear including gloves, a suit, and often a cap. If you try to tip it will be refused as that's not the way it's done there.
You are expected to hand over the fare on the tray the driver passes it to you, also to pick up any change left.
Part of that professional etiquette includes honesty. If you happen to lose something in a taxi, report it as you are more than likely to get your items back.
I personally like to bring something stronger, like fine rum. Something like Wray & Nephew White Overproof 63° Rum which is merely the best high strength rum in the world. If your date agrees to go to your apartment to taste her gift, make her two or three well-dosed mojitos or ti-punchs (don't forget to bring also sugar can) , and it's drunk sex guaranteed.
As a side note, to fill my fridge with alcohol (notably Baileys, girls love it) is the very first thing I do when I arrive somewhere.
I bring myself, then fill the girl with me. Girls love that. It's one of the very first things I do when I arrive somewhere.
Thank You for the great information on the English speaking taxi service that is trustworthy in this forum. I am concerned about another issue prior to my upcoming Kiev trip. Are there any safe ATMs to use while in Kiev? Where I would be less likely to be ripped off? Is it easier to exchange Dollars or Euros to UAH?
Jojo, I am still here and will from time to time contribute.
I am bored of the constant questions about apartments, ATMs, taxis and other basic questions that keep regularly repeating over and over again ad nauseum. To those who ask such basic questions, RTFF or do a search. The answers are all here if you just do either one or the other. If you cannot or do not know how to do a search in ISG or this forum then sell your computer, you have no business using one.
CD, looks like I will be here until the end of January so PM me once you are here and let us have lunch.
I have been here for about two months since my last Middle East contract expired. I am preparing for a new Middle East gig to begin in February. With that in mind, I have been sampling the local riches via Mamba, VK and other sites, the one group least mentioned here, MILFs. I have made it a point to contact those from 29 to 38 years old in their profiles (those older ladies sometimes tend to understate their age, what a surprise). Frankly, it has been almost non-stop fun with a nice mix of pros and non-pros.
Since I am once again headed to the ME I am doing this to build up my reserve of possible companions when I get bored with the local talent. I would then invite these MILF contacts to visit me for a week for a real holiday for them and a sex holiday for me. However, that local talent where I am to be based will likely also be largely Russian, something I have also begun to develop there as well. But it never hurts to have a reserve.
Why MILFs? Largely because my experience with 18-25 yo's here are that they are mostly empty-headed sex toys and nothing more. I am not complaining and I will not keep them from my bed but conversations before and after sex are largely exercises in silence and boredom with them mostly staring at their phones. I am older and the MILFs I have met have for the most part been very interesting company, even the paid professional contingent.
Since I have not contributed in a while, it looks like I will expound at long length like someone else we know so with all due apologies I wish to relate today's episode.
I called a Mamba contact today, she claims age 37. Pix of her on Mamba were just fine, but I suspected that they were fake. Similar to but not exactly her. I arrived at noon for what I expected to be a two-hour session, at most. This is for paid services, after all. My suspicion was been confirmed about the Mamba photos but she was nevertheless attractive and met me dressed only in a fishnet body stocking that showed it all! How could I leave? That proved the best decision I have made in a long time.
We sat, chatted, had some tea, a nice get acquainted session. During the talk, she said she had a friend from Russia who visited her from time to time and that they were bi and loved to have sex with each other, especially fisting. Are you reading this carefully Colon? Needless to add, it became an instant file item for further action.
I went and showered and we began. Her almost first words were put your fingers into me. I of course obliged and then began a wild session of OWO, sex in all positions including anal, as well as my attempts at fisting her. I did get 5 fingers in but could not quite get the entire hand in. I have a big hand so it will take other sessions to do it right. That will now have to wait for another day and that day will definitely come soon.
The entire session finally ended about 5 PM, no clock watching of any sort, just one hell of a great time. In between the sex was a lot of talk. 99% from her which was the only real downside, she would only shut up when she had something in her mouth and she did a good job of that as well. We finished off our time with some more chatting over tea.
I finally walked out exhausted, drained and almost dead but with a huge smile on my face. Such gems will be kept under lock and key. However, the real story is that they can be found and do exist here.
Oh, yes, one other not so small point when many think that the $300 price for a girl for three hours from a third-rate strip club is acceptable, I paid 800 grivna while the actual asking price was only 600 grivna (I could not give her the asking price, after all that had happened) for 5 hours of intense and non-stop kinky sex. That works out to an actually paid price of $20 per hour. Soon it will be a threesome and I can only imagine what that can involve. I cannot wait. For sure she will be invited for a week's holiday in the ME later this year when I get my new contract.
Now it is time to relax, take it easy and celebrate the Christmas holiday here for a few days. After today, I really need the break since I did get my Christmas present today.
Reiner Otto
01-05-13, 20:16
Thank You for the great information on the English speaking taxi service that is trustworthy in this forum. I am concerned about another issue prior to my upcoming Kiev trip. Are there any safe ATMs to use while in Kiev? Where I would be less likely to be ripped off? Is it easier to exchange Dollars or Euros to UAH?In case, you have cash E, use them for exchange. Or cash $, in case otherwise.
Safe ATM: I only use ATMs located within a bank. At least I think, it is safe then.
Why MILFs? Largely because my experience with 18-25 yo's here are that they are mostly empty-headed sex toys and nothing more. I am not complaining and I will not keep them from my bed but conversations before and after sex are largely exercises in silence and boredom with them mostly staring at their phones. I am older and the MILFs I have met have for the most part been very interesting company, even the paid professional contingent.How come nobody ever talks about the Kiev MILF market? Seems mid aged foreigners and Ukrainian milfs should have a chemistry beyond just sex.
Thank You for the great information on the English speaking taxi service that is trustworthy in this forum. I am concerned about another issue prior to my upcoming Kiev trip. Are there any safe ATMs to use while in Kiev? Where I would be less likely to be ripped off? Is it easier to exchange Dollars or Euros to UAH?What I have been doing recently when I travel is sending cash to myself through Western Union. There are options that have no fee at all. The only money they make is through the exchange rate which is better than what I have found in any cash exchanger and as good as many ATMs. You can also do it all online and it is 100% safe unless you get mugged leaving the office.
Why MILFs? Largely because my experience with 18-25 yo's here are that they are mostly empty-headed sex toys and nothing more. I am not complaining and I will not keep them from my bed but conversations before and after sex are largely exercises in silence and boredom with them mostly staring at their phones. I am older and the MILFs I have met have for the most part been very interesting company, even the paid professional contingent.
Don't be funny dude. Such saying just show what level of girls you are doing while in Kiev. There is too many young, elegant, educated young dievs in Kiev that can't compere to girls I meet in my country.
Use the ATMs in Metrograd or Globus, there is 24/7 security in those places. Or at a secured area inside a bank.
There are exchange kiosks all over downtown, some with fairly decent rates.
Take your pick.
Thank You for the great information on the English speaking taxi service that is trustworthy in this forum. I am concerned about another issue prior to my upcoming Kiev trip. Are there any safe ATMs to use while in Kiev? Where I would be less likely to be ripped off? Is it easier to exchange Dollars or Euros to UAH?
Why would you want to date a 30+ girl with kids as opposed to the 20+ girl with no kids?
How come nobody ever talks about the Kiev MILF market? Seems mid aged foreigners and Ukrainian milfs should have a chemistry beyond just sex.
That ex Russian porn star you gave me the number to was awesome, her butt implants were a bit much for me tho. That was 5 years ago and I am still thinking about it. I managed to somehow offend her (who me?) so I only got one session in with her. She was a complete sex machine.
I still have the same Ukrainian mobile number if you kept it, otherwise I will PM it to you.
CD, looks like I will be here until the end of January so PM me once you are here and let us have lunch.
Why would you want to date a 30+ girl with kids as opposed to the 20+ girl with no kids?Yeah, you are right. Thanks for the clarity.
What I have been doing recently when I travel is sending cash to myself through Western Union. There are options that have no fee at all. The only money they make is through the exchange rate which is better than what I have found in any cash exchanger and as good as many ATMs. You can also do it all online and it is 100% safe unless you get mugged leaving the office.I once tried to send money to someone from a credit card via Western Union when I was outside the USA, and was unable to do so, I suppose as a security measure.
Which WU option are you using that has no fees and will work to send money to yourself while you are in Kiev. Is it money available in minutes? Or are you talking about a transfer that takes more time. Please explain the details.
ATM's: I have used ATM's all over downtown Kiev with no problem, including the ATM inside Rio club. I use a Citibank account that doesn't charge me any 3% foreign transaction fee. The only fee might be from the ATM machine owner itself. Citibank uses an exchange rate that is satisfactory in comparison to exchange rates reported on www.xe.com (which gives an average of the buy and sell rates). Ocassionally, Citibank has replaced my card as an anti fraud measure, but it has never been associated with any compromise of my actual account, or loss. It seems that do it as a precaution when they detect a Citibank card has been used in a city that is known for card readers activity, or something like that. I asked the Citibank fraud department, and they said that it was not any of the ATMs I used for withdrawal transactions, but rather card reading activity in the city itself. So I think that withdrawing and spending local cash from ATMs is the way to go.
As security against loss, I do not travel with large sums of $dollars or Euros to exchange. I keep a reasonable amount of dollars locked in my luggage as a security reserve, in case needed. But for use as spending cash in Kiev, I withdraw Ukrainian currency (UAH) from ATMs each day, in an amount that is sufficient for that days foreseen activities, to minimize the cash at risk. As further security against loss, I have a travel lock on my luggage and I lock any excess cash I have not used yet that day that is in my pockets, as well as credit cards and passport, into my luggage whenever guests are expected in my apartment. When a girl is at my apartment the only cash in my pockets is an amount sufficient for her fees, plus some small additional small bills and change I may have.
LifeSavour
01-06-13, 05:27
After living in Kyv for many years this was my 1st venture back in awhile!
I'm pushing 60, prefer morning's over late evenings and really enjoy the 'personality' more than the "looks"!
So I tend to do alright with FREE beees! One thing that helps is they know "I know" Kyiv! And I do plan to return to live.
Arrived on a Friday just before Christmas and had agreed with a 28 year old Nina to spend 5 days with me. There will be shopping, gifts, fun! A nice blonde
With wonderful breasts! She ended up only being with me for 2. 5 days. She said she got sick. But I think she could not handle the 170 kilos of FUN I was packing!
I'm not going to bore you guys with details. But there was Tina (came to me 3 times) , Irina (24, 5 or 6 times) , Natasha 1 nght, Luda 2 nights, and maybe 1 other I'm forgeting? But the main reason for this posting is this: Good Guys do finish 1st! I really play of the fact that I am this big ol Teddy Beat. Dirdushka! It works!
Friday the 28th was a banner day! I had forgot that Tina was comiing at 11:00. Surprise. Had to hurry as I had a lunch date with my banker Oksana. Then at 15:00, Irina came but made me promise to not lick her pussy, she gets too tired from many orgasms. WTF?
Then at 17:00 I had to send some cash to another city, and I needed help. So over comes Sasha. 24 year old blonde and we get the $$ sent. So of course I need to properly thank her and invite her to a kafe after work to celebrate early NY's, she agrees but only if Yulia can join us. 23, blonde. Both great tits!
So at 18:00 they sms to meet on the street. I suggest the kafe and Sasha asks if I have an apartment. Konishna! They both tell me that it is better if we buy food and whisky and make a party at home! Hmmm, nice plan! And Old Father Christmas sure was smiling on me! In the shop, I am in line to pay and Sasha whispers "You have condoms"? I tell her NO, and you should of seen the look on the cashiers face as she throws down a box!
What a nice time, and these girls are kissing, sucking and licking each other!
LifeSavour
01-06-13, 09:58
So this little Yulia is so sweet, she said she wants to come to me Saturday morning before her work. She is afraid another girl will steal me away. But no fawking, she will only suck me, seems her pussy is a little sore and bleeding! Said she was not that experienced! And I thought the screams were from "pleasure"! Planning on flying them down to Hurghada to my apartment in March!
Why MILFs? Largely because my experience with 18-25 yo's here are that they are mostly empty-headed sex toys and nothing more.There is so such thing as 18- 25 yo. There is IMO a HUGE difference between a 18-20 and a 23-25.
The only way to send money to Ukraine via Western Union is to go to a Western Union location and use cash (or a debit card). The fees are rather outrageous so I try to avoid using WU.
I once tried to send money to someone from a credit card via Western Union when I was outside the USA, and was unable to do so, I suppose as a security measure.
Which WU option are you using that has no fees and will work to send money to yourself while you are in Kiev. Is it money available in minutes? Or are you talking about a transfer that takes more time. Please explain the details.
Member #4491
01-06-13, 14:28
I personally like to bring something stronger, like fine rum. Something like Wray & Nephew White Overproof 63° Rum which is merely the best high strength rum in the world. If your date agrees to go to your apartment to taste her gift, make her two or three well-dosed mojitos or ti-punchs (don't forget to bring also sugar can) , and it's drunk sex guaranteed.
As a side note, to fill my fridge with alcohol (notably Baileys, girls love it) is the very first thing I do when I arrive somewhere.God advice! Mojito is a great drink as well. Sucked down a bunch of them during my escapades in Venezuela, but I think the locals there would debate your statement about Wray & Nephew White Overproof 63° Rum. I have no opinion since I rarely bother to remember what I drink, even if I just had one drink, but in Venezuela they are immensely proud of their own rum. This is naturally just as irrational as any other gibberish that comes from anyone that resorts to taking pride in where they fell out from mummy, but Hugo inflated the egos of many of his slaves. In any case I will look for that Wray & Nephew White Overproof 63° Rum and mix some mojitos for my devotchka visitors.
B.
Member #4491
01-06-13, 14:50
why milfs? largely because my experience with 18-25 yo's here are that they are mostly empty-headed sex toys and nothing more. i am not complaining and i will not keep them from my bed but conversations before and after sex are largely exercises in silence and boredom with them mostly staring at their phones. i am older and the milfs i have met have for the most part been very interesting company, even the paid professional contingent.nice to read about some kinky stuff here, uke boy. i want to find a pretty girl into [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103). i had very little experience from it, and it is yet to be tested fully. money is not the issue but to be frank i feel a bit awkward to ask most females about it. i think she would need to be youngish though. granny [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) does not turn me on (yet). lol.
maybe i do not have the intelligence level of you uke boy, or perhaps i am just easily amused, but the relatively few young females i met in ukraine where with few exceptions good conversation partners all through the meetings. i like a milf sometimes, but an older woman's humbleness and service mind can never fully replace my genetic programming want to stick my see*ck in most young and newly bloomed females. fisting is interesting but it also mean you have to have a very large dick to produce any kind of friction in the vagina. for me anal sex is an enhancer, and not a last resort. having said that, i will continue to be open minded about age in ua. in asia i will very very rarely go over 21-22, but this is not asia so i take what i can, as long as they look good and turn me on.
barba
Member #4491
01-06-13, 14:55
After living in Kyv for many years this was my 1st venture back in awhile!Great story! You give me hope, man! I was starting to despair and was just about to plan this springs workout program, about obviously it is something else I am lacking. Do you speak the language? Or do you spread a lot of cash around?
B.
God advice! Mojito is a great drink as well. Sucked down a bunch of them during my escapades in Venezuela, but I think the locals there would debate your statement about Wray & Nephew White Overproof 63° Rum. I have no opinion since I rarely bother to remember what I drink, even if I just had one drink, but in Venezuela they are immensely proud of their own rum. This is naturally just as irrational as any other gibberish that comes from anyone that resorts to taking pride in where they fell out from mummy, but Hugo inflated the egos of many of his slaves. In any case I will look for that Wray & Nephew White Overproof 63° Rum and mix some mojitos for my devotchka visitors.Ti-Punch is easier to prepare, it requires solely rum, and bit of lime juice and sugar can. Strongly alcoholic but easily sipped, and deadly efficient (more than mojito that is rather a "long drink") with dyevushki.
http://www.esquire.com/drinks/ti-punch-drink-recipe
mix some mojitos for my devotchka visitors.Something strong and tasty that dyevs usually love is ABC. It's a rather unknown cocktail that I discovered in Tashkent (!). Mix Amareto, Baileys and Cognac, et voila. It's simple as that. It's also deadly efficient and powerful, as it's 100% alcohol, but very easily sipped. In this video, they prepare it as a shot and non-mixed, but better do it mixed in an old fashioned glass type.
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-make-an-abc-shooter-cocktail
Hope this Photo of hers surfaces here. (Now Using another computer ).
She reckons she is mixed race as I told you (British Ghanian ). This photo was taken on a beach Near Accra? Yeah.
! 5 emails so far and she is not after money for a Return ticket, But?
I don't want to go into too many details right now, before I see her Photo here.
Got few more that she sent me. Normal holiday shots.
Getting very near to The Final Chapter with her.Thank You Irish Lad 4 the tips on uploading the photos. LOL. You might be a bit of a Lad and Irish as well, but 4 sure you ain't that Green,"Born In Nigeria ".
Well here are the rest of the Photos sent to me by Mamba Girl.
Summary of Events so far since 22 Dec 12.
Mamba girl. Looking for a Man on her Profile with a Photo with Dark Hair.
I send her a compliment, she replies, she is a hairdresser (Changes the color of her Hair Often ).
, I reply. I never sent her any Photos, just some profile details.
Her Love is now in the emails. Wants to marry and have 1 or 2 kids. .
I play along with it, why not. Getting free Photos and a bit of Hard on all for Free.
All along I am one step ahead of her. Last email she wants to come back to LONDON urgently.
Needs £250 to top up the money she has already for her ticket.
JOJO replies.
" No problem darling, I am in The Travel Business I can issue you with a ticket straight away. Just send me a copy of your passport showing the photo and I'd details ".
Mamba Girl " I only want £250, because I want to do it myself here in Accra, You Don't Trust me?".
JOJO ". Of Course I Trust You. No Problem. I will send you an extra £ 75, because I want you to buy me some Cigars and Whisky from the Duty Free Shop at Accra Airport.".
She wants the Money sent via Western Union.
I reply " Even Western Union or a Bank in the UK would want I'd Details and A copy of Passport orcopy I'd with a Photo ".
No Reply as yet. But if she does? I Got one hell of a Plan, To be revealed Later.
She only showed her Ace card in the last 2 days, re the extra money.
Anyone getting on mamba for the first time, you can see how scammers take their time to make a move.
Got to say, I enjoyed this Scamming Fling.
Waiting for her Final Reply. .
IL or anyone. How can one check on the Origin of these Photos which don't look to me as Photoshopped, not the I know about photo-shopping anyway.
There is so such thing as 18- 25 yo. There is IMO a HUGE difference between a 18-20 and a 23-25.Agree my post was just a last line.
Don't be funny dude. Such saying just show what level of girls you are doing while in Kiev. There is too many young, elegant, educated young dievs in Kiev that can't compere to girls I meet in my country.No joke boy. I have been here since 1995 and I have met, dated and bedded more women here than you can ever hope for or even dream about. I think I know better than you the local girl and what I want and what I think about them. Also, I speak fluent Russian and they almost all think I am a local so that also changes the equation.
If I am to take someone for a week or two on holiday anywhere, I want them to have some intelligence, someone I can talk to in the off time and who can also talk to me before and after sex. Believe me, there are a lot of airheads out there no matter what age but most of them are in that 18-25 group from my experience.
nice to read about some kinky stuff here, uke boy. i want to find a pretty girl into [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103). i had very little experience from it, and it is yet to be tested fully. money is not the issue but to be frank i feel a bit awkward to ask most females about it. i think she would need to be youngish though.since money is not an issue, then just plain ask and you may well receive! or is it that you want to be the donor? or both!
either way, i suspect that it will only take asking and deciding on a price, if at all. since you really like the younger ones, they are the ones right now much less inhibited and more willing to experiment, if need be. go for it the next time you are here. the worst that can happen is a "no" and you go on with your other fun.
Thank You Irish Lad 4 the tips on uploading the photos. LOL. You might be a bit of a Lad and Irish as well, but 4 sure you ain't that Green,"Born In Nigeria ".
Well here are the rest of the Photos sent to me by Mamba Girl.
IL or anyone. How can one check on the Origin of these Photos which don't look to me as Photoshopped, not the I know about photo-shopping anyway.You can use http://www.tineye.com/ To check if the photos appear somewhere on the internet. The photos aren't of the person writing to you for sure. Mixed race?
No joke boy. I have been here since 1995 and I have met, dated and bedded more women here than you can ever hope for or even dream about. I think I know better than you the local girl and what I want and what I think about them. Also, I speak fluent Russian and they almost all think I am a local so that also changes the equation.
If I am to take someone for a week or two on holiday anywhere, I want them to have some intelligence, someone I can talk to in the off time and who can also talk to me before and after sex. Believe me, there are a lot of airheads out there no matter what age but most of them are in that 18-25 group from my experience.I don't question your fame, amount of dievs you did, experience or how great you are. Fact is Ukr girls compered with western girls are way in another league. Sure there is a lot airheads from province on mamba, the reason I don't use mamba. I don't want "bad taste party" girl at my door. Too many have two diplomas from uni, art / music school certification at the age of 23, now beat that.
I dont mind you bending more girls then me, some men prefer quality and some quantity (wink)
I don't question your fame, amount of dievs you did, experience or how great you are. Fact is Ukr girls compered with western girls are way in another league. Sure there is a lot airheads from province on mamba, the reason I don't use mamba. I don't want "bad taste party" girl at my door. Too many have two diplomas from uni, art / music school certification at the age of 23, now beat that.
I don't mind you bending more girls then me, some men prefer quality and some quantity (wink) I prefer BOTH quality AND quality. Besides, my airhead may well be your Einstein.
Fact of the matter is that much of the education system here is in serious crisis with grades and advancement being able to be bought with bribes and payoffs. Diplomas are in play for money here and that is a fact. You can buy anything you want in schools here since many teachers demand pay for grades as well. But this is not the forum to discuss such matters but I do suggest you look into it a lot more before you make such all-encompassing comments about the education system here from where you sit.
which wu option are you using that has no fees and will work to send money to yourself while you are in kiev. is it money available in minutes? or are you talking about a transfer that takes more time. please explain the details.
the only way to send money to ukraine via western union is to go to a western union location and use cash (or a debit card). the fees are rather outrageous so i try to avoid using wu.cruiser d, no offense meant but you are incorrect according my experience and to wu.
i go to the wu website. i choose:
send method: online.
speed: three days.
payment option: bank account.
receive option: pick up at agent location. cash.
i choose the "your bank with online bill pay" option. as of today wu charging no fees for this transaction and would pay out just short of 4, 000 uah for $500 usd which is pretty damn close to the normal exchange rate. my experience is their rates are significantly better than what i find at cash exchangers.
i will normally send 3 transactions before leaving on a trip. that way i can withdraw in intervals, and because there is no fee, i am not paying extra for more transactions. if i need to, i can send more online. once you have done it once with wu, they will let you do it again without concerns from fraud. this also means i don't have to carry an atm or credit card around. i have done this for philippines, romania, and costa rica. of course this is from us banks. i have no idea about banks in other countries.
IL or anyone. How can one check on the Origin of these Photos which don't look to me as Photoshopped, not the I know about photo-shopping anyway.The girl in those pics is Ann Angel (online porn girl):
http://www.ann-angel.com/
http://nud3.com/Girls/Ann_Angel/Miami_Candids
I like using Google Image Search better than Tineye but both work well.
It's a scam?
Wow, didn't see that coming.
Thank You.
I play with it, why not. Gettinga bit of Hard on.
I prefer BOTH quality AND quality. Besides, my airhead may well be your Einstein.
Fact of the matter is that much of the education system here is in serious crisis with grades and advancement being able to be bought with bribes and payoffs. Diplomas are in play for money here and that is a fact. You can buy anything you want in schools here since many teachers demand pay for grades as well. But this is not the forum to discuss such matters but I do suggest you look into it a lot more before you make such all-encompassing comments about the education system here from where you sit.I will not start competition of who knows more how the system works in Ukr. This conversation will not bring any good to forum I agree. Don't forget smart kids that earn grades in honest way. And if to believe my gf yes she did. 23 yo and earn two diploma law and English. I will let you believe you are smartest and greatest guy out there. Take care.
Member #4491
01-06-13, 23:33
since money is not an issue, then just plain ask and you may well receive! or is it that you want to be the donor? or both!
either way, i suspect that it will only take asking and deciding on a price, if at all. since you really like the younger ones, they are the ones right now much less inhibited and more willing to experiment, if need be. go for it the next time you are here. the worst that can happen is a "no" and you go on with your other fun.yea i got to be slightly braver. had some minor games now and then with girls. for example one gf loved to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) when she was riding me in the shower, back when i was young. and another teen gf always liked to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) on my hand when we where taking a bath in the ocean (yes weird, i know).
if she is really hot i will try both. like model hot. would love to travel back in time and tick off "[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) party with teenage claudia cardinale". i want to try most things once before i die. i think i will tick off "cum in midget" in march because one of the girls i am seeing then in the philippines is very short. had some that where around 145 cm, and a couple of my davao girlfriends measure in at 4 feet 11, but this last girl is 4 feet 9, so that is short. and my monger mate down there is hopefully sharing her newly found 4 feet 9 teen as well, so it might be a midget fuck fiesta in march.
i asked one girl on mamba just now and she will agree to anal, rimming but answered "honestly i don't like to accept rep002". she is no photo model anyway so it does not matter.
barba
If I am to take someone for a week or two on holiday anywhere, I want them to have some intelligence, someone I can talk to in the off time and who can also talk to me before and after sex. Believe me, there are a lot of airheads out there no matter what age but most of them are in that 18-25 group from my experience.Without being controversial, there is no real reason why a girl who is "airhead" at 24 yo would become smarter and deeper when she gets older. She will just get older. She will maybe just become more embiterred and disillusioned, because she will realise that she has been manipulated by men during all her "golden" years. Contrarily, a 30 or 35 yo woman who is smart, witty, indulgent, emotionally generous, passionate, learned, ect is definitely a woman who already had those qualities when she was younger. It is innate qualities. To say that all 20+ yo girls are futile and stupid barbies is just plain silly.
That said, I agree that most FSU girls in the 18-20 yo group have unsufferable habbits (the thumbs sticked to the smartphone, the "whatever" attitude, the exagerated taste for flashy fashioned clothes, for some of them the limited conversation, ect).
I also like MILFs, but solely when they are from an above-average social level. It's with this type of women (mostly Moscovites) that I've had the best uninhibited and uncomplicated adventures. They already have access to the best their society has to offer, the bills are paid and they have with you no materialistic expectations, and they only feel that what the one thing they miss out in life is romance and adventures. And they don't expect the adventure to last forever, but just to enjoy the ride. Single moms from below average social level are different. Although I am sure some would be happy with just some casual sex, I am also pretty sure that many want more. A serious boyfriend, perhaps even a husband, and usually a father for their child. In any case too much emotional baggage than I am prepared to carry. For me, thanks but no thanks.
The girl in those pics is Ann Angel (online porn girl) :
http://www.ann-angel.com/
http://nud3.com/Girls/Ann_Angel/Miami_Candids
I like using Google Image Search better than Tineye but both work well.Many Thanks YPL for the link and your prompt reply. .
Now I know Ann Angel is a Pron Star, then its a hell lot easier than scoring Mamba Girl in (Ghana ).
For a start, Ann doesn't need a Visa to go the UK where with a bit of luck, I might see her on this link http://www.photogirls.nethttp://www.photogirls.net/.
Many US porn stars use it when touring.
WOW, now I got a good look at Her Ass. .
The album is now complete.
Hello Peoples,
Well I am in the process of buying an American RV at the moment and have changed my job to work only 6 months a year. I plan to do a grand tour of Ukraine in the not too distant future. I plan to go through the country like a Crusader with my cock as my sword, swinging the beast of love upon as many beautiful Ukrainian girls as I can. Winning both hearts and minds alike and becoming a true peoples champion.
My question is. If it was you on such a poon tour, what route would you take.
I will be writing a blog as I go. So stay tuned.You want to be " A true Peoples Champion, winning hearts and minds in UA?".
Then why not tour the Ukraine "Like a True Crusader " and percieved there as such.
You will get more hits touring in a MINI COOPER than in an RV. It wiil show them that you are after " Quality, not Quantity."
With a Mini Cooper you would need to Stick to Inner Cities.
http://www.mini.co.uk/model-range/hatch/mini-cooper-s/.
A MINI COOPER with Studded-Tyres for adverse weather conditions.
BTW, Prosal says, he drives a Mini Cooper in PARIS. And you can't be more French than Prosal.
This speaks volumes for the Mini Cooper.
PedroToronja
01-07-13, 04:38
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1368704]In other words, it's a strip club? Duh.
You do realize (how can you not after reading the love affair of certain memebers of ISG with RIO) that you can take a girl home for $300 for 3 / hours and unleash you sperm all over her, unlike most strip clubs in the West. Do you expect the girls to fuck you for free? Or blow you for $50 in your seat?Cruiser, just like in any strip club, you are guaranteed to spend money there if you want the company of a girl, but you are not guaranteed that she will go with you to your hotel. There are reports of such in this site, and 2 or 3 years ago I did went to Rio and invited 2 girls to come to my hotel, and none came. My two cents.
PedroToronja
01-07-13, 04:45
Pedro, of course we can and should be friends. There is no reason not to, as we share a number of important interests. That we disagreed about enjoying what Rio offers, is really of little consequence. I hold different opinions on various topics than many of my friends. It doesn't interfere with the friendship that some of my interests can't be shared with a particular friend. With some friends I like to get together for dinner, with other friends I can share my enjoyment of strip clubs, with some friends I go to regular nightclubs on ocassion to dance and drink. It's the same way for everyone. So of course it would please me to share a drink in friendship with you, if our paths crossed. And of course, I would know that I shouldn't invite you to Rio for that drink. But fortunately my interests are broader than that and I can enjoy any good watering hole that had some nice looking females around.
Here's to open-minded discourse!
LJI drink to that! I hope to meet you some day.
PedroToronja
01-07-13, 05:08
Thank You for the great information on the English speaking taxi service that is trustworthy in this forum. I am concerned about another issue prior to my upcoming Kiev trip. Are there any safe ATMs to use while in Kiev? Where I would be less likely to be ripped off? Is it easier to exchange Dollars or Euros to UAH?Yes, some ATMs will capture your acct number and pin and will rip you off. IT happened to me, big time! Although I got my bank to redeposit the money back into my account, it is not a good experience. I suggest you only use one or two ATMs and those that are inside banks, not on the street. I chose the bank that is associated with Paribas BNP or something like that (it has a symbol of 4 stars and it is very frequent in Kiev and all over Ukraine). Since I use them, I never had a problem. Always print your receipts and check them against your bank statement, of course.
This speaks volumes for the Mini Cooper.A Mini is seen as a "girlie" car in Ukraine I guess. Also don't forget that the Ukrainian male population is a fairly dumb lot, they drive like testosterone-filled savages and as if their cars were tanks (watch the videos about car crashes and road rage in Russia on YouTube). Honestly, I'd rather drive a Cayenne in this region.
And if to believe my gf yes she did. 23 yo and earn two diploma law and English.Of course. Happily not all 23-25 yo girls are airhead and futile. And to reiterate, I don't really really understand the logic of Uke B, which is that all girls in the 20-25 yo range are dumb, but by miracle, they become more clever at 30 yo. Hmm.
That said, to concur a bit with Uke B, I think that on the whole, Russian girls (and Russian women) are far more learned, more educated and smarter than their ukrainian cousins. On the whole.
I drink to that! I hope to meet you some day.Meat and Greet at RIO?
Many Thanks YPL for the link and your prompt reply.
Now I know Ann Angel is a Pron Star, then its a hell lot easier than scoring Mamba Girl in (Ghana ).
For a start, Ann doesn't need a Visa to go the UK where with a bit of luck, I might see her on this link.
http://www.photogirls.nethttp://www.photogirls.net/.
Many US porn stars use it when touring.
WOW, now I got a good look at Her Ass.
The album is now complete.http://www.photogirls.net/
Hope this link works
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1368723]Cruiser, just like in any strip club, you are guaranteed to spend money there if you want the company of a girl, but you are not guaranteed that she will go with you to your hotel. There are reports of such in this site, and 2 or 3 years ago I did went to Rio and invited 2 girls to come to my hotel, and none came. My two cents.It's a case of YMMV. You can ask the manager which girls will go out, even then the girl may not want to. Old ISG member 109, who speaks fluent Russian, is a decent guy and was a well known fixture at Moscow strip clubs always struck out at RIO.
I lost interest in RIO when it went from $200 to $300. Although it is still what I consider cheap fun for a buddies night out.
I am a frequent reader of ISG and a few of the other monger forums. I frequently travel to C. R. And have been to a a couple of FKK in clubs in germany. This was my second trip to ukraine. The first time I found a guides email address on one of the forums. I corresponded with him before I went to ukraine. On my first trip there I arrived at boryspil airport. When I got off I thought to myself what have I done. I've depended on having a guide meet me here. There he was. He asked are you grant? From there on out it was nothing but a great adventure. I stayed in contact with him over time. It had been 4 years since I travelled to Kiev. I arrived the second time. Just like before he was waiting for me. He had picked out a nice apartment for me. It was posh. I told him I had been checking out alot of the escort sites and showed him the girls that I wanted to meet. When he saw them he told me that some of them were not their real pics. He called all of them and found one that said that was her real pic. She was fantastic! The prices have gone up alot since I was there the last time but she was worth it. My guide, alex took me on a whirlwind tour like he did before. I saw the miniature museum, the catacombs, out to a disco. It has been along time since I went clubbing. We drank absinthe and partied all night. A beautiful black haired girl with big tits approached me and said ill fuck you for 200. I said make it 100 and your on. She wouldn't budge. I so much wanted this one but I'm a haggler and we couldn't come to a price. I do regret that. I can't recommend my guide enough. He was always on time and knew everywhere to go. He spoke great english, had a nice toyota suv. I couldn't ask for better. For the most beautiful slavic girls I can't recommend ukraine enough. For the best guide I can't recommend alex enough. Go to ukraine! If you weant more info message me!
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1370152]It's a case of YMMV. You can ask the manager which girls will go out. Old ISG member 109, who speaks fluent Russian, is a decent guy and was a well known fixture at Moscow strip clubs always struck out at RIO.
It is still what I consider cheap fun for a buddies night out.On an Ideal Night. Buddies night out at RIO, CD. Pedro Toronga, Hunter Dave (I confess 4 a while I thought they were the same=) UkeBoy and Irish Lad. BTW Irish Lad can't make Wednesdays. Not even Rio will entice him away from Shooters Club. .
Liljoey can now enjoy a well deserved break. No much point in Preaching to the Converted, LOL "The Original Promotor ".
I am a frequent reader of ISG and a few of the other monger forums. I frequently travel to C. R. And have been to a a couple of FKK in clubs in germany. This was my second trip to ukraine. The first time I found a guides email address on one of the forums. I corresponded with him before I went to ukraine. On my first trip there I arrived at boryspil airport. When I got off I thought to myself what have I done. I've depended on having a guide meet me here. There he was. He asked are you grant? From there on out it was nothing but a great adventure. I stayed in contact with him over time. It had been 4 years since I travelled to Kiev. I arrived the second time. Just like before he was waiting for me. He had picked out a nice apartment for me. It was posh. I told him I had been checking out alot of the escort sites and showed him the girls that I wanted to meet. When he saw them he told me that some of them were not their real pics. He called all of them and found one that said that was her real pic. She was fantastic! The prices have gone up alot since I was there the last time but she was worth it. My guide, alex took me on a whirlwind tour like he did before. I saw the miniature museum, the catacombs, out to a disco. It has been along time since I went clubbing. We drank absinthe and partied all night. A beautiful black haired girl with big tits approached me and said ill fuck you for 200. I said make it 100 and your on. She wouldn't budge. I so much wanted this one but I'm a haggler and we couldn't come to a price. I do regret that. I can't recommend my guide enough. He was always on time and knew everywhere to go. He spoke great english, had a nice toyota suv. I couldn't ask for better. For the most beautiful slavic girls I can't recommend ukraine enough. For the best guide I can't recommend alex enough. Go to ukraine! If you weant more info message me!Its in the Title."Hello Alex ".
PedroToronja
01-07-13, 18:01
http://www.photogirls.net/
Hope this link worksAlexa May is a porn actress and partime escort in Kiev. She is very beautiful and gives the ass. http://www.largeporntube.com/popular/5026/alexa-may/1.html I can't post her phone number here, but you should be able to track it down, she used to work through an agency. BTW she is very nice and dresses to kill.
PedroToronja
01-07-13, 18:07
I am a frequent reader of ISG and a few of the other monger forums. I frequently travel to C. R. And have been to a a couple of FKK in clubs in germany. This was my second trip to ukraine. The first time I found a guides email address on one of the forums. I corresponded with him before I went to ukraine. On my first trip there I arrived at boryspil airport. When I got off I thought to myself what have I done. I've depended on having a guide meet me here. There he was. He asked are you grant? From there on out it was nothing but a great adventure. I stayed in contact with him over time. It had been 4 years since I travelled to Kiev. I arrived the second time. Just like before he was waiting for me. He had picked out a nice apartment for me. It was posh. I told him I had been checking out alot of the escort sites and showed him the girls that I wanted to meet. When he saw them he told me that some of them were not their real pics. He called all of them and found one that said that was her real pic. She was fantastic! The prices have gone up alot since I was there the last time but she was worth it. My guide, alex took me on a whirlwind tour like he did before. I saw the miniature museum, the catacombs, out to a disco. It has been along time since I went clubbing. We drank absinthe and partied all night. A beautiful black haired girl with big tits approached me and said ill fuck you for 200. I said make it 100 and your on. She wouldn't budge. I so much wanted this one but I'm a haggler and we couldn't come to a price. I do regret that. I can't recommend my guide enough. He was always on time and knew everywhere to go. He spoke great english, had a nice toyota suv. I couldn't ask for better. For the most beautiful slavic girls I can't recommend ukraine enough. For the best guide I can't recommend alex enough. Go to ukraine! If you weant more info message me!I had a guide call Alex also (nick name Alyosha or something like that) who drove me many times on his SUV but it was a Mercedes. Maybe the same guy and either you or I have the car wrong, or he got a new one, who knows. I believe to be the same because he also took me to the same museums and others, and he did call girls for me, even drove them back and forth. VEry nice guy, excellent English, married to a doctor called Olga (whom I also met, nice family). I do recommend him very much.
PedroToronja
01-07-13, 18:11
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1370316]On an Ideal Night. Buddies night out at RIO, CD. Pedro Toronga, Hunter Dave (I confess 4 a while I thought they were the same=) UkeBoy and Irish Lad. BTW Irish Lad can't make Wednesdays. Not even Rio will entice him away from Shooters Club. .
Liljoey can now enjoy a well deserved break. No much point in Preaching to the Converted, LOL "The Original Promotor ".To chat with other guys, compare notes, strategize, exchange phone numbers of ladies, etc. I woulr rather meet in a normal, civilized place where tits don't distract the conversation. I like Volkonski, Repriza, Premier Palace, Hyatt or Aroma cafes most. Then is out hunting, at least that is my choice.
Von Boegroeff
01-07-13, 19:26
Dear Roevskalle,
You are obviously one of those people who has not read this thread. If you had bothered to read this thread, you would have seen the mountain of reports and responses I have posted responding with patience to questions of newbies, and compiling information and writing reports just for the sake of being helpful to newbies just coming to appreciate the exciting mongering destination Kiev is. I have been offering this guidance to newbies over the last two years since I began posting, and have even taken flak for it from the veterans who get irritated by the repetition of the same basic information. So you have chosen to lecture the wrong member about patience and helpfulness towards newbies. Hell, if anything, I should be nominated for being the posterboy of patiently writing reports to benefit newbies and answer their questions. I myself am a quasi-newbie having been coming to Kiev since 2009, while there are veterans who have been coming to Kiev for many more years than that.
I put to you a challenge: before you respond to this post, if you choose to respond, click on my username to access the link "view prior posts", and read my prior posts, mostly geared towards providing information that will be helpful to newbies (the veterans know most of the stuff I put in these detailed reports) , and also read my reports referenced in the ROD thread going back. Then, if you still feel you have a bone to pick with me over the issue of trying to be helpful to newbies, I will certainly like to hear about it. Because that truly was one of my goals in writing reports, the other being to entertain, as well as provide analysis of various mongering options, their pros and cons, that had not been written about in the recent period.
But don't argue, just for the sake of arguing.
LJI cut a bit in the comments, as it otherwise had been too long.
Thanks for a long and filling answer. It certainly points out many things and in all fairness, I didn't argue just for the sake of arguing. But through this last post, you have also got a message through to me and (possibly) many other people of the importance to read the thread.
You were however wrong in the fact that I haven't read the forum. I actually clicked on your name and checked the previous reports. It was quite impressing. And if you click on my name you will not find a lot. Why is that? Well, I am the type of person who just reads the forum, and I have not really a "home thread" which I follow regularly. Mongering in my country is just the most ridiculously most expensive thing you can do in life, and it also is illegal. And what more, it is illegal for us to even monger abroad! I'm keeping a low profile and I am not reading or writing in the forum where I live. However, when I travel somewhere I have rarely anything to contribute with, as its mostly new places I am researching about. That is when I spend hours and hours in reading the forum. Not bothering asking too much questions, but I must admit that if I see a typical newbie question that is about the most simplistic thing, I am often thankful if someone answers it. Twice or thrice in the thread doesn't matter, as questions often asked may be something worth remembering.
I am not going to be so offensive this time (as my recently post apparently was recieved very offensive). I was just going through the forum upfront my trip to Kiev, but my goal and mission is neither to make enemies, nor irritate people. But I thank you for spending so much time in clearing that up. It is appreciated. Really.
Regards,
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1368723]Cruiser, just like in any strip club, you are guaranteed to spend money there if you want the company of a girl, but you are not guaranteed that she will go with you to your hotel. There are reports of such in this site, and 2 or 3 years ago I did went to Rio and invited 2 girls to come to my hotel, and none came. My two cents.
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1370152]It's a case of YMMV. You can ask the manager which girls will go out, even then the girl may not want to. Old ISG member 109, who speaks fluent Russian, is a decent guy and was a well known fixture at Moscow strip clubs always struck out at RIO.
I lost interest in RIO when it went from $200 to $300. Although it is still what I consider cheap fun for a buddies night out.It was precisely when I realized that the easy potential for a strike out at Rio existed, and analyzing what went wrong on the several times it happened to me and I went home from Rio alone, that I became convinced of the need to write about the mistakes I had made that lead to those strike outs, and devise the strategies to surmount the problem to the extent possible, toward the end of producing reports here on the thread that could serve as a playbook on how best to operate in a place like Rio to minimize the chances of a strike out. And these anecdotes about the times I failed and the analysis of the factors and actions I had taken that lead to those failures, as well as the actions and strategies I employed to increase my chances of getting a really good girl for "take out" who had the most chances of giving a GFE session, are contained in the body of all those reports I wrote back in 2011 and 2012 on the topic.
For example, I learned the hard way some pointers, such as that, unlike the nightclub scene that gets better after midnight, the time to go to the strip club and start the viewing of the various line ups of dancers, and the selection of candidates and interview process, is earlier, and in fact is as soon after 8:00 PM club opening as is practical. This will give one the additional time needed to view as much of the three different line ups in the Rio club that one feels is necessary, and to find out about the girls who most appeal to you those important initial facts such as her name, whether she goes out, and whether she speaks English, which one can find out through a combination of asking the floor manager, or by directly asking the girl oneself. One shortcut to getting a girl's name is to ask the waitress, since the manager is frequently busy and unavailable to you at the moment you need. Another shortcut is for you yourself to get up out of your seat and approach the girl dancing on stage and ask her what her name is and if she speaks English. Asking whether she goes out is best asked to the manager, but to ask the girl directly would have to await when she is sitting at your table, and is best asked only after you have spent time developing a nice rapport with the girl by speaking with her in an entertaining and humorous fashion, and raising the temperature of the chemistry between you and the girl in a private dance with some effective petting to the extent the girl allows, which boundary is to be tested gently. At some point you will have the intuitive feeling of when is the right time to proposition the girl with the idea of coming home with you for some fun.
Also, Just as important as getting there early to allow yourself sufficient time to investigate the possibities, is that you must make your decisions and propositions before 2:00 AM at the latest. This is because otherwise you will find your 3 hour session not possible if the girl is one of those who wants to get back to the club by 5:00 AM closing time, and doesn't want to stay out with you later.
And furthermore, Certainly, if your grooming is not enticing to a young female and your demeanor not entertaining or makes her nervous in any way, your chances of getting a take out date are lessened. So to lessen the chances of strike out, and increase the chances of success, pay attention to all those factors that you would pay attention to in chasing a freebie girl who you want to seduce. There is no guarantee and you cannot order a girl off a menu and she must come with you and comply. It is not an "escort" scenario. A guy who gives off creepy vibes, will fail.
Going into Rio as a clueless newbie, one is bound to make all the mistakes I did, and one may or may not be of the type of person to learn from one's mistakes and overcome obstacles. A number of those who failed just gave up. I didn't. Because at the time, I felt that, of the venues where one could see the girl before selecting her, the strip club was cheaper than what I had seen of the nightclub scene. Therefore it was worth it to figure out how to succeed in nailing some of the very hot girls I saw dancing at Rio. And I wrote about what I learned, in order to serve as a gateway for others. So they don't have to reinvent the wheel and start figuring it all out from the beginning. I intended that If they would read the information I left for them, at least they could enter the club with their eyes open to certain pitfalls, and have a little savvy on how to operate in that club effectively.
Just a few pointers to whet the appetite for more.
Because of the potential of a strike out, a knowledgeable strategy will be helpful in increasing the chances at success in getting the date, as well as getting the type of date known as a GFE, which is of course also not guaranteed. It is something of an art to select wisely and use a good strategy to do so.
So for those newbies intending to experiment with take out of hotties from strip clubs like Rio or it's sister club Mandarin, or even other clubs like Dolls, or the other clubs mentioned in the thorough reports filed by TheKnight, those reports I wrote back then (some of which are referenced on the Reports of Distinction thread) are worth a read.
LJ
Honestly, I'd rather drive a Cayenne in this region.Not me. Here I would much rather be the driver in a fully equipped and loaded T-90!
LifeSavour
01-07-13, 20:17
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1370373]To chat with other guys, compare notes, strategize, exchange phone numbers of ladies, etc. I woulr rather meet in a normal, civilized place where tits don't distract the conversation. I like Volkonski, Repriza, Premier Palace, Hyatt or Aroma cafes most. Then is out hunting, at least that is my choice.I just spent 16 days in Kyiv! I was either alone, or with girls!
Who the FAWK wants to spend time with 'guys'! ? So my alone time was VERY limited!
So it is the day to leave, I kick out the crazy Luda and then invite over Sasha & Yulia to finish off the whisky, food and smoke cigars!
I promise them a nice lunch at Solo Beer. Awesome brew pub!
Oh wait, I forgot (the night before they came at 6pm and we had a nice jacuzzi session. Then Luda spent the night, then in the morning the girls came again.
$$$$? Nope! I do not DO money, well of course you have to buy shit, and I bring some nice presents, but I LOVE attitude and you do not get attiude when the girl demands a price UPFRONT! We all have 'game', others have other game, this is mine!
So after the smoking, drinking, Yulia sucks me off as Sasha is all over me kissig with boobs out, sitting at the kitchen island!
Ps. The check at Solo Beer was 1456 UAH!
(so I guess I do spend $$$)
I will not start competition of who knows more how the system works in Ukr. This conversation will not bring any good to forum I agree. Don't forget smart kids that earn grades in honest way. And if to believe my gf yes she did. 23 yo and earn two diploma law and English. I will let you believe you are smartest and greatest guy out there. Take care.I am sorry but you really are quite naive. So you have had one experience here with one gf and you can now make a statement about the entire country and how the educational system works from your home outside the country. That is simply amazing. I am not the smartest nor the greatest but I am here and have been for a lot of years. What I am is very experienced and knowledgeable about many things here that you are not and I keep up on a number of events that happen here every day and every year since 1995. When you get some similar experience and some deeper and more complete knowledge about Ukraine and how things actually happen here, which you simply are not even close to achieving, then we can next debate the educational system here.
Until then enjoy your 23 yo English speaking lawyer.
Member #4491
01-07-13, 21:29
Pedro, just out of curiosity; what do you pay this guide?
I found out that the last girl I made an appointment with for my upcoming trip is more than 190 cm long in her high heels. She will lick my ass and do anal for hours, but I need a ladder. Seems like a nice girl so hats off for Harry for sharing!
Umm, yeah, let me know how that turns out for you guys.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1370316]On an Ideal Night. Buddies night out at RIO, CD. Pedro Toronga, Hunter Dave (I confess 4 a while I thought they were the same=) UkeBoy and Irish Lad. BTW Irish Lad can't make Wednesdays. Not even Rio will entice him away from Shooters Club. .
Liljoey can now enjoy a well deserved break. No much point in Preaching to the Converted, LOL "The Original Promotor ".
Lawyer girls are the worst, try a doctor girl.
Until then enjoy your 23 yo English speaking lawyer.
i am sorry but you really are quite naive. so you have had one experience here with one gf and you can now make a statement about the entire country and how the educational system works from your home outside the country. that is simply amazing. i am not the smartest nor the greatest but i am here and have been for a lot of years. what i am is very experienced and knowledgeable about many things here that you are not and i keep up on a number of events that happen here every day and every year since 1995. when you get some similar experience and some deeper and more complete knowledge about ukraine and how things actually happen here, which you simply are not even close to achieving, then we can next debate the educational system here.
until then enjoy your 23 yo english speaking lawyer.don't tell me how many girls i had since you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. you are making just a stupid assumptions about it) not my problem you bend 23 yo airheads and don't need to cry like a baby of my comment))) i could have told you my story about why i think i know quite a lot about culture in fsu and how things work. i have lived in fsu (not ukr) know some russian and understand mentality and how things work here. but you know, i will keep it for my self since i simply dont care what you think of me. will save you for "95" speech my hero. grow up.
I had a guide call Alex also (nick name Alyosha or something like that) who drove me many times on his SUV but it was a Mercedes. Maybe the same guy and either you or I have the car wrong, or he got a new one, who knows. I believe to be the same because he also took me to the same museums and others, and he did call girls for me, even drove them back and forth. VEry nice guy, excellent English, married to a doctor called Olga (whom I also met, nice family). I do recommend him very much.Thats him! Can't find a better guide in Ukraine in my opinion. He really looked after me both times I was there!
I cut a bit in the comments, as it otherwise had been too long.
Thanks for a long and filling answer. It certainly points out many things and in all fairness, I didn't argue just for the sake of arguing. But through this last post, you have also got a message through to me and (possibly) many other people of the importance to read the thread.
You were however wrong in the fact that I haven't read the forum. I actually clicked on your name and checked the previous reports. It was quite impressing. And if you click on my name you will not find a lot. Why is that? Well, I am the type of person who just reads the forum, and I have not really a "home thread" which I follow regularly. Mongering in my country is just the most ridiculously most expensive thing you can do in life, and it also is illegal. And what more, it is illegal for us to even monger abroad! I'm keeping a low profile and I am not reading or writing in the forum where I live. However, when I travel somewhere I have rarely anything to contribute with, as its mostly new places I am researching about. That is when I spend hours and hours in reading the forum. Not bothering asking too much questions, but I must admit that if I see a typical newbie question that is about the most simplistic thing, I am often thankful if someone answers it. Twice or thrice in the thread doesn't matter, as questions often asked may be something worth remembering.
I am not going to be so offensive this time (as my recently post apparently was recieved very offensive). I was just going through the forum upfront my trip to Kiev, but my goal and mission is neither to make enemies, nor irritate people. But I thank you for spending so much time in clearing that up. It is appreciated. Really.
Regards, You certainly were not "offensive", Roevskalle, and no offense was taken. You merely seemed to be critical in a newbies versus veterans sort of way, and I wanted to forestall that path, because it is unhelpful. So I wrote what I wrote to get across that veterans want to be helpful to newbies in general, and that newbies should follow the example of reading the thread for a reasonable amount of time going back, in order to get a grasp of the ongoing conversation they are about to enter when posting. It's just like if one approaches a bunch of adult males having a conversation. A person who doesn't want to appear goofy, Would want to know what the topic was and what was said already in the previous few minutes before opening their mouth to say something and join in.
I also followed the thread for a long time as a reader only, and was not posting because I felt I had no information to help others with, and I was just happy to have a resource to be able to learn from. It was only after I had travelled to a destination and learned stuff on my own, that did not have what I felt was enough guidance on the thread, that I began to offer my own opinions about the pros and cons of the p4p options that existed in Kiev in the post-River Palace era at the end of 2010 and beginning of 2011. So my first post was in March of 2011.
So when you have insights and information that you don't see being written about adequately on the thread, you may also become motivated to post your thoughts for the benefit of others.
LJ
For the best guide I can't recommend alex enough. Go to ukraine! If you weant more info message me!I'm interested in contact information but it seems you cannot receive PMs. Please message me if you can.
YellowPaul
01-09-13, 02:10
Thats him! Can't find a better guide in Ukraine in my opinion. He really looked after me both times I was there!UG.
You need to be a paid member so we can message you for Alex's contact info. The small membership fee is well worth it.
Member #4491
01-09-13, 03:27
On the topic of education in Ukraine; I know that there is some corruption in the educational system, but it also spits out many well educated persons. About two dozen of my employees are Ukrainian, and they are do not only compete but most of them even beat my employees from west Europe, Americas and Asia, no matter how much better our universities are said to be.
I hire people from all over the world but my Ukrainian employees, from simple data handlers and administrative staff to high end technology engineers, are among the most outstanding in their performance. I have respect for the educational system and academic traditions in Ukraine. In addition these people work hard and rarely complain. One just needs to apply sane selection methods in sorting out the fakes from the real ones, just as with any female.
Barba's two cents. Thank you for listening.
B
Poker Player 2
01-09-13, 08:27
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1370152]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1370316]It was precisely when I realized that the easy potential for a strike out at Rio existed, and analyzing what went wrong on the several times it happened to me and I went home from Rio alone, that I became convinced of the need to write about the mistakes I had made that lead to those strike outs, and devise the strategies to surmount the problem to the extent possible, toward the end of producing reports here on the thread that could serve as a playbook on how best to operate in a place like Rio to minimize the chances of a strike out. And these anecdotes about the times I failed and the analysis of the factors and actions I had taken that lead to those failures, as well as the actions and strategies I employed to increase my chances of getting a really good girl for "take out" who had the most chances of giving a GFE session, are contained in the body of all those reports I wrote back in 2011 and 2012 on the topic.
For example, I learned the hard way some pointers, such as that, unlike the nightclub scene that gets better after midnight, the time to go to the strip club and start the viewing of the various line ups of dancers, and the selection of candidates and interview process, is earlier, and in fact is as soon after 8:00 PM club opening as is practical. This will give one the additional time needed to view as much of the three different line ups in the Rio club that one feels is necessary, and to find out about the girls who most appeal to you those important initial facts such as her name, whether she goes out, and whether she speaks English, which one can find out through a combination of asking the floor manager, or by directly asking the girl oneself. One shortcut to getting a girl's name is to ask the waitress, since the manager is frequently busy and unavailable to you at the moment you need. Another shortcut is for you yourself to get up out of your seat and approach the girl dancing on stage and ask her what her name is and if she speaks English. Asking whether she goes out is best asked to the manager, but to ask the girl directly would have to await when she is sitting at your table, and is best asked only after you have spent time developing a nice rapport with the girl by speaking with her in an entertaining and humorous fashion, and raising the temperature of the chemistry between you and the girl in a private dance with some effective petting to the extent the girl allows, which boundary is to be tested gently. At some point you will have the intuitive feeling of when is the right time to proposition the girl with the idea of coming home with you for some fun.
Also, Just as important as getting there early to allow yourself sufficient time to investigate the possibities, is that you must make your decisions and propositions before 2:00 AM at the latest. This is because otherwise you will find your 3 hour session not possible if the girl is one of those who wants to get back to the club by 5:00 AM closing time, and doesn't want to stay out with you later.
And furthermore, Certainly, if your grooming is not enticing to a young female and your demeanor not entertaining or makes her nervous in any way, your chances of getting a take out date are lessened. So to lessen the chances of strike out, and increase the chances of success, pay attention to all those factors that you would pay attention to in chasing a freebie girl who you want to seduce. There is no guarantee and you cannot order a girl off a menu and she must come with you and comply. It is not an "escort" scenario. A guy who gives off creepy vibes, will fail.
Going into Rio as a clueless newbie, one is bound to make all the mistakes I did, and one may or may not be of the type of person to learn from one's mistakes and overcome obstacles. A number of those who failed just gave up. I didn't. Because at the time, I felt that, of the venues where one could see the girl before selecting her, the strip club was cheaper than what I had seen of the nightclub scene. Therefore it was worth it to figure out how to succeed in nailing some of the very hot girls I saw dancing at Rio. And I wrote about what I learned, in order to serve as a gateway for others. So they don't have to reinvent the wheel and start figuring it all out from the beginning. I intended that If they would read the information I left for them, at least they could enter the club with their eyes open to certain pitfalls, and have a little savvy on how to operate in that club effectively.
Just a few pointers to whet the appetite for more.
Because of the potential of a strike out, a knowledgeable strategy will be helpful in increasing the chances at success in getting the date, as well as getting the type of date known as a GFE, which is of course also not guaranteed. It is something of an art to select wisely and use a good strategy to do so.
So for those newbies intending to experiment with take out of hotties from strip clubs like Rio or it's sister club Mandarin, or even other clubs like Dolls, or the other clubs mentioned in the thorough reports filed by TheKnight, those reports I wrote back then (some of which are referenced on the Reports of Distinction thread) are worth a read.
LJLilJoey,
You obviously put a lot of efforts in to writing these very long and detailed posts on this board and I really would like to read some of them as I am sure you are an experienced monger and no doubt, have a great deal to contribute to the success of this board but could I put in a request for a summary of the main points? Sometimes more is not better. Do you agree?
Regards
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1370419]I just spent 16 days in Kyiv! I was either alone, or with girls!
Who the FAWK wants to spend time with 'guys'! ? So my alone time was VERY limited!
So it is the day to leave, I kick out the crazy Luda and then invite over Sasha & Yulia to finish off the whisky, food and smoke cigars!
I promise them a nice lunch at Solo Beer. Awesome brew pub!
Oh wait, I forgot (the night before they came at 6pm and we had a nice jacuzzi session. Then Luda spent the night, then in the morning the girls came again.
$$$$? Nope! I do not DO money, well of course you have to buy shit, and I bring some nice presents, but I LOVE attitude and you do not get attiude when the girl demands a price UPFRONT! We all have 'game', others have other game, this is mine!
So after the smoking, drinking, Yulia sucks me off as Sasha is all over me kissig with boobs out, sitting at the kitchen island!
Ps. The check at Solo Beer was 1456 UAH!
(so I guess I do spend $$$) Pack of lies my friend, all an illusion.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1370445][QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1370152]LilJoey,
You obviously put a lot of efforts in to writing these very long and detailed posts on this board and I really would like to read some of them as I am sure you are an experienced monger and no doubt, have a great deal to contribute to the success of this board but could I put in a request for a summary of the main points? Sometimes more is not better. Do you agree?
RegardsMy work is done, friend. To the foregoing comments in the last post about proper timing of your mongering efforts in a place like Rio, and the importance of grooming, good humor and game, in seeking a take out, I would say, when you take out a girl, get the sex done first, and then do other stuff like take her to a nightclub or for karaoke etc, as the assumption that you will get sex at the very end of the three hours may not turn out that way. So bring her straight back to your apartment / hotel room, offer some nice drinks and refreshments (you should buy these and stock up beforehand, but if you haven't already done so, you can have your taxi driver stop at an all night supermarket and take the girl in to buy her what she wants to eat / drink. The supermarket will have Baileys or some Champagne or some white wine that the girl will like) , have a little nice conversation and set a fun mood, then suggest going to wash up in the shower or jacuzzi and get it on with her, for as much and as long as you desire. Then if there is time left, you can offer to take her out to a night spot. Doing it the other way around, puts the sex time at risk, as some members have learned the hard way. In my prior posts you will find a description of the club layout and the nature of the three line ups of girls that dance, which I shall not repeat here. Be proactive in trying to meet a girl you want to get to know about. That means that if the manager, whom you have or will tip 100 UAH, is not available to you at the moment, you should take the initiative and get up and approach any girl while she dances. This is certainly ok if you are giving her a 50 UAH tip and tucking it in her bikini, but even if you are not tipping the girl every time you get up, you can simply ask her name, see if she speaks English and tell her she dances beautifully. Also the waitress is a resource for girls' names. Take notes about the girls you like, so you can ask for them by name later, if you want them to come sit at your table. If you think a particular line up out of the three is lame after sitting for a reasonable while, ask to move to another bar with a different line up, so you don't just waste time. There's a VIP line up, an upstairs line up, and a downstairs line up. To this should be added a discussion of how to look for a girl who will give a GFE. But this is relevant to meeting girls in all venues, whether strip clubs, nightclubs, on the street, wherever, so I will not write about that here.
That's your "summary". Go and read the rest on the thread to the extent you can and you will benefit thereby. Use the references in the ROD thread to get to some of my prior posts on Rio. Use the "view forum posts" feature that you can access by clicking on a members username to access a list of their prior reports for the most recent period, when you find a member whose writings seem to contain usable content.
Happy mongering,
LJ
UG.
You need to be a paid member so we can message you for Alex's contact info. The small membership fee is well worth it.Thanks ill do it!
LifeSavour
01-09-13, 15:53
[QUOTE=LifeSavour; 1370472]Pack of lies my friend, all an illusion.I looked at your posts and YOU have to hold the honor of most REPORTS deleted by ADMIN!
What do you know of Ukraine or Kyiv for that matter? You attack? Based on what?
To boldly make such statements about a guy you do not know is amazing!
I will NOT have any more discourse with you, oh yes I love a battle of wits! But!
I NEVER fight an "unarmed" man!
Quote me on this: " light travels faster than sound ". That is why some How's seem BRIGHT, until you HEAR them speak!
Score is NOW " 1. 0 "!
LS Guy!
Ps. If I wrote BS, there are other seniors on here that do know me and have met me and they KNOW!
[QUOTE=Poker Player 2; 1371119]
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1370445]My work is done, friend. That's your "summary". Go and read the rest on the thread to the extent you can and you will benefit thereby. Use the references in the ROD thread to get to some of my prior posts on Rio. Use the "view forum posts" feature that you can access by clicking on a members username to access a list of their prior reports for the most recent period, when you find a member whose writings seem to contain usable content.
Happy LJHow many times can you write about a strip club? Apparently a lot.
RIO is a strip club in the center of Kiev. A few of the girls are good looking but most are average (for Kiev). There are three floors. It cost $300 to take a girl back to your apartment / hotel to have sex with her for three or so hours, that is if she is willing. The cover to enter the club is 200uah.
End.
Pack of lies my friend, all an illusion.Seems more than viable for some average girls from the Vil.
1400uah plus? Overpaid for sure.
[QUOTE=LilJoey;
How many times can you write about a strip club? Apparently a lot.
RIO is a strip club in the center of Kiev. A few of the girls are good looking but most are average (for Kiev). There are three floors. It cost $300 to take a girl back to your apartment / hotel to have sex with her for three or so hours, that is if she is willing. The cover to enter the club is 200uah.
End.They charged me 100 uah entrance. Once I paid 200uah for the 2 of us, me and my Dyke wingwoman.
I got Mamba Slapped!
One of my daaahlings had these choice words to share with me, LOL:
"not for all the money in the world I do not sleep with you"
YellowPaul
01-09-13, 19:51
Seems more than viable for some average girls from the Vil.
1400uah plus? Overpaid for sure.I'm more then willing to step up to the 24-34 age group as many of these women sometimes look much younger and are more willing to please but from the looks of those pictures I draw the line at extra pounds! LOL.
My general rule of thumb. She's got to weight a lot less then me.
LifeSavour
01-09-13, 20:05
Seems more than viable for some average girls from the Vil.
1400uah plus? Overpaid for sure.1400 was the check at the brew pub. The table was me, the 2 girls, and my best "drug" and his wife and 2 sons! We sat for 3 hours. I sampled each of the beers and we ate!
Overpaid what?
I still want to meet you. Still can't believe some of the stuff you spout!
How many times can you write about a strip club? Apparently a lot.
RIO is a strip club in the center of Kiev. A few of the girls are good looking but most are average (for Kiev). There are three floors. It cost $300 to take a girl back to your apartment / hotel to have sex with her for three or so hours, that is if she is willing. The cover to enter the club is 200uah.
End.Well said, concise and right on target.
Nothing more needs to be said but if it is, then it is just a return to promotion of this crap club by a paid shill.
Member #4491
01-10-13, 02:21
I asked some of you in private but take a chance here as well. Anyone that knows and can share contact details to a girl in Kiev with large natural breasts? I will share a bunch of contacts in return.
B.
PedroToronja
01-10-13, 03:53
Pedro, just out of curiosity; what do you pay this guide?
I found out that the last girl I made an appointment with for my upcoming trip is more than 190 cm long in her high heels. She will lick my ass and do anal for hours, but I need a ladder. Seems like a nice girl so hats off for Harry for sharing!Barba, I used that guide the first 2 or 3 times I visited Kiev. 6 years ago. Since then I have been going religiously (hey, others go to Mecca!) every 60 to 70 days. I used to pay that guy Alex some $50 per day. I imagine his fee must be higher. I envy you about your guide, I surely did not expect that service from Alex. I would very much like to meet your guide provided that the ass being done is hers, not mine (especially 'for hours'). I am OK using a ladder, I am not afraid of heights.
PedroToronja
01-10-13, 03:56
Umm, yeah, let me know how that turns out for you guys.
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1370373]Let's put it this way: one of us will get the drinks on the house, and it would not be me. As we see in other recent postings, the endless promotion. Well, it does not end! Should we keep denouncing it? It is getting old and tired, but newbies seeking advice should probably be warned.
PedroToronja
01-10-13, 04:03
On the topic of education in Ukraine; I know that there is some corruption in the educational system, but it also spits out many well educated persons. About two dozen of my employees are Ukrainian, and they are do not only compete but most of them even beat my employees from west Europe, Americas and Asia, no matter how much better our universities are said to be.
I hire people from all over the world but my Ukrainian employees, from simple data handlers and administrative staff to high end technology engineers, are among the most outstanding in their performance. I have respect for the educational system and academic traditions in Ukraine. In addition these people work hard and rarely complain. One just needs to apply sane selection methods in sorting out the fakes from the real ones, just as with any female.
Barba's two cents. Thank you for listening.
BBarba, we live parallel lives with almost identical experience. I have employees in several countries also, and those in UA are my very best, super nice people, excellent education and very strong work ethics. Some are truly friends of mine, and others I wish they where something even closer. But painful as it is (and it is very painful!) I keep work and play separate.
PedroToronja
01-10-13, 04:05
[QUOTE=LifeSavour; 1370472]Pack of lies my friend, all an illusion.Somehow the board attributes that pack of lies to me. I did not say that! Those are not my words / lies. I second the opinion that the 'I don't pay' story is complete bullshit.
PedroToronja
01-10-13, 04:08
Well said, concise and right on target.
Nothing more needs to be said but if it is, then it is just a return to promotion of this crap club by a paid shill.Yes, please give us all a BREAK and stop misleading newbies into a horny-tourist trap. Then we can be all friends.
It was precisely when I realized that the easy potential for a strike out at Rio existed.
LJSerious?) The expression "couldn't pull in a brothel" springs to mind.
Well said, concise and right on target.
Nothing more needs to be said but if it is, then it is just a return to promotion of this crap club by a paid shill.Hello Old Boy.
Look on it in a Positive Light. According to Research done at Central Lancashire University, Repetitive Tasks gives People the chance to Daydream and that enables some to to come up with Good Ideas.
Research has discovered, when given passive activities to complete, people become Creative in Other Areas. .
Wait and see what happens in "Other Areas ".
Thank You Irish Lad 4 the tips on uploading the photos. LOL. You might be a bit of a Lad and Irish as well, but 4 sure you ain't that Green,"Born In Nigeria ".
Well here are the rest of the Photos sent to me by Mamba Girl.
IL or anyone. How can one check on the Origin of these Photos which don't look to me as Photoshopped, not the I know about photo-shopping anyway.Http://www.tineye.com/faq
Member #4491
01-10-13, 15:02
Barba, we live parallel lives with almost identical experience.Pedro, let our circles meet. I could be fruitful to share experiences. I just sent you a message (including contact info to the tall girl).
B.
Surely IL must have told you there is no fiction to my friction.
1400 was the check at the brew pub. The table was me, the 2 girls, and my best "drug" and his wife and 2 sons! We sat for 3 hours. I sampled each of the beers and we ate!
Overpaid what?
I still want to meet you. Still can't believe some of the stuff you spout!
I seriously don't think LJ is a shill. I just think he want to contribute and RIO is all he has.
Umm, yeah, let me know how that turns out for you guys.
Let's put it this way: one of us will get the drinks on the house, and it would not be me. As we see in other recent postings, the endless promotion. Well, it does not end! Should we keep denouncing it? It is getting old and tired, but newbies seeking advice should probably be warned..
DoctorOral
01-10-13, 15:27
Maybe you have encountered "my" flat chested Christmas or new years angel by now?
If so, let me know and PM me with details! PLEASE.
If anyone has a flat girl like this one in the portfolio, I would love to exchange my portfolio with his by PM.
Are you talking about the guy or the girl?
What did your name used to be on here?
Maybe you have encountered "my" flat chested Christmas or new years angel by now?
If so, let me know and PM me with details! PLEASE.
DoctorOral
01-10-13, 17:28
Funny, cruiser!
The girl that looks like a boy!
Wally was my name. And yours?
Are you talking about the guy or the girl?
What did your name used to be on here?
DoctorOral
01-10-13, 17:29
I am not talking about this particular one.
I just gave you a vision of what!
Funny, cruiser!
The girl that looks like a boy!
Wally was my name. And yours?
I seriously don't think LJ is a shill. I just think he want to contribute and RIO is all he has.I concur with Your Thoughts about the "Shill Business ".
LJ has also contributed a lot to the KIEV thread and not just to the Pros of RIO Club V Other mongering options in KIEV and in "Details ".
Obviously and he makes no secret about it, he is a big fan of the club and says, its more convenient for him than other mongering options in KIEV.
Why should this bother anyone else.
Even if someone is Promoting a club or a Venue on here, So what?
Going to a any Strip Club or a Club with WGS in KIEV or anywhere else, provided one thinks with his Brain not his Dick, he should be more than OK.
Shilling by anyone doesn't bother me at all, what gets on my fucking nerves sometimes, members who reincarnate themselves here every now and then under different names.
And TBH, Apologies in advance to LJ, I keep thinking that LJ was in previous years AsianChaos, whom I really enjoyed reading his posts at the time.
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I seriously don't think LJ is a shill. I just think he want to contribute and RIO is all he has.A fair reading of my writings on this thread would demonstrate to any fair minded person that I have covered all the options for mongering in Kiev, and provide information, guidance, comparisons and analysis of pros and cons, etc. On all those options. So, no, Rio is not all I have, CD, and I haven't written anything in depth on it in quite some time.
Factually, I was not the one who brought up the topic of Rio for a discussion recently. I merely responded to the comments made on the thread that it was possible to "strike out" at the Rio club and fail to get a "take out" date. Those comments were posted by Pedro and by you, CD. So in response to those observations, I considered it might be helpful to post a few tips on how to avoid that result, and avoid some common mistakes that could result in failing to get a "take out" date from there. Then a a different member asked for a summary of other tips, which I responded to in abbreviated fashion. In both posts, I referred members to my previous posts for more in depth coverage, because I consider my previous writings on Rio earlier in the thread in 2011 and 2012, and the links to some of it on the ROD thread, to be sufficient to give newbies the benefit of my insights about mongering there. (My comments go far beyond the entrance and take out fees charged, that you mentioned, and get into a lot of tips about how best to operate within that club to get the best result, something that can actually help members avoid failing to get a good take out date, which is important, IMHO.)
In addition to Rio, I have written quite a bit about various Internet escort options I have tried, and I have written quite a bit about my usage of mamba, and recommendations concerning it.
At this point, I have so many numbers of good girls from River Palace, top-modals. Com and mamba. Ru, that it is difficult for me to find time in a three night weekend visit, to meet other new girls, if I want to see the girls I already met and like, each time I visit. I would say that I am now relying primarily on mamba girl contacts, and I am appreciating the savings of $$$ due to the lower hourly prices of mamba girls compared to the nightclub and strip club girls. But let's face it, Mamba girls also can get pricey when talking to them about staying all night and having sex again in the morning. On a short trip, I would still go in to Rio and maybe pull from there one night and splurge on a higher cost date if I found a girl that knocked my socks off dancing there. But for most of my dates, it has been mamba girls that have been over to my apartment for sex on my last two trips in October and November of 2012.
I will be in Kiev for the President's Weekend of February 15. 18. I will be traveling with a wingman who also likes the nightclub scene, so I will try to come up for air from eating mamba pussy, for long enough time to take him to some of the nightclubs at least Friday and Saturday nights. Who knows, maybe I will finally get to see you in action, CD, since you haven't been telling us your nightclub stories here on the thread, and I shall assume you haven't been just sitting around the whole time you were in Kiev last summer / fall, and now this month.
I shall not respond to IL's unkind words except to say to him the same thing I say to you, CD, that it would be more helpful if he would file action reports on the thread about the goings on in the nightclubs. Colorful descriptions and anecdotes would do far more to attract the members and give them to understand the possibilities in the nightclubs far better than tossing pejorative comments my way.
With respect
LJ
Member #4491
01-10-13, 19:36
DoctorOral, you should try the Philippines unless you already did that. Yes, she is 18 (and some days).
I will keep my eyes open for you in Kiev, as always.
Sorry for the off topic picture, guys.
B
Funny, cruiser!
Wally was my name. ?Wallyally? Nice name, Why did you change it.
Of course none of my fucking business anyway, just Curious.
DoctorOral
01-11-13, 07:45
Yeah, thank you. THAT, and in Kiev, and blonde!
DoctorOral, you should try the Philippines unless you already did that. Yes, she is 18 (and some days).
I will keep my eyes open for you in Kiev, as always.
Sorry for the off topic picture, guys.
B
DoctorOral
01-11-13, 10:10
I realized at least one of you LOVES it, too.
Yeah, thank you. THAT, and in Kiev, and blonde!
For some reason Ljs reports are no longer visible to me when I log in. Must be on my ignore list but I didn't activate that.
However, my JOKE about striking out in Rio was not aimed at LJ in any way. My impression of RIO was that it's a takeaway where you see the menu first. A "buffet" if you like. The idea of not being able to pull seems odd to me when I know guys who go there and skip the previews, they just meet the girls and leave. If some girls aren't available for take out then there are several reasons I presume for this. 1. They are never available 2. They are having their period or 3. They are available just not to me / you or whoever is asking. Now, if RIO is for the those who want a guarantee and have no game, are short on time or are lazy and if number 3 applies to you / me then that's real bad.
Here are some recent reports by myself on alternatives. I pay my way.
Yes,
It has been a while since I saw a decent report about pulling freebies in Kiev. With all the talk about that shithole Rio and the Princesses in D'Lux, it would be natural to assume that no one scores here any more. Fortunately that's just not the case.
Here's what you need.
1. The right plan. If you're going to a club, get a table. Invite girls to join you, if they are boring or suggest money, throw them off and get some more.
2. Pretend to have game, even if you don't. It's the guy who does the pulling. 100 times more so in the FSU.
3. Don't lose focus. None of this "haven't decided yet" crap. If you fancy a girl and she gives you a glimmer of a response. Go in for the kill. No prisoners.
4. Dress to impress but within your comfort zone. I wear jeans and t-Shirts and don't own a suit. My black and white Casio watch works just fine.
5. Don't get drunk. We all do but your chances plummet.
6. Use mamba to suit your own purposes. Save time by posting your photo on the top line saying "looking for a fun chick to party with tonight". Bring her along until you close with her or find better.
Got to go
For those who don't do clubbing, there are lots of choices in the centre.
Dockers in passage / Kreschatyk is well worth a visit. They have live music, ok food and no Princesses, just normal girls.
Art 44 on Kreschatyk 44 can be good too. Live music. Edible food and again, regular girls.
Volias on Boulevard Shevchenko 1 (beside Lenins statue) is not bad but the bar area is tiny. Best to take a table next to some girls and wait and see.A reply to a "Sorry Babushka question:-
Have been but wouldn't recommend it to be honest. I found the vibe a bit sinister. Felt all the tables were occupied by mini mafia wannabes with their dolls. Ground floor is a bar with some dancing, upstairs a stage where musicians sang cover songs.
Not much to it, even on a Saturday night. Of course, as always, you can do well here if the right crowd is in. The downstairs bar is ok to hang out at and you never know what can happen.Caribbean closed I think.
Shooters without a doubt. Girls are not allowed to work there 100%. They do of course to some degree but it's a place where every one has a sporting chance of getting a result. After that, Avalon should be ok but 10-20% used to be the WG ratio. Caribbean has a 30% ratio I would guess.
For the last couple of years I haven't gone to any nightclubs in Kyiv with the exception of joining IL at Shooters. The last visit there I should have wrote about because I found it highly entertaining. Since I will be in Kyiv for an extended period of time this trip I will try to send off a report or two like the Cruiser D of old.
The reason for my not going to a nightclub recently is because I do have an extremely large pool of girls on tap. I have been going to nightclubs for a very very long time, while it's enjoyable to socialize with friends and pick off the occasional odd bird here and there. Nightclub tend to be the worst place to meet people, unless of course you are looking for casual sex, which I do realize most people on this board are looking for. I have been going to Kyiv since 2004, when I was in my 30's. While in my 30's in Kyiv I was an unstoppable serial dating maniac (to borrow a term from our hosts). In that time I have cultivated quite the list of extremely hot girls who do what I like, when I want them to do it, girls who look forward to my trips to Kyiv as much as I do. So trips to nightclubs got relegated to social events (and a break from dating / nonstop sex) with friends like IL.
A typical day for Cruiser D in Kyiv would be; wake up around 6am and fuck whichever girl (s) are in my bed, have something to eat, answer a crap load of business and personal emails. Wait for the girls (s) to wake up / leave, go on my lunch date and either have sex with that girl or call a girl in for the afternoon. Head off to a late or early dinner date (depending on my afternoon plans) , maybe or maybe not fuck that girl. Bring in a girl for the late evening or meet a girl on a date, the girl of that night will either stay or leave around 1 or 2am. Repeat, rinse, Repeat again.
Most of the girls I meet in Kyiv come from these sources, in order. Old contacts, mamba, being out in about in Kyiv and interacting. Nightclubs are fun but so is my normal Kyiv schedule. I also find it oddly amusing that a lot of girls I run into know me from mamba profile.
I don't know if RIO has changed but when I used to be a regular I would say it was 60-40 as to a girl providing 'take out' service.
LJ reports disappearing to you might be board issues. I have the same problem with JoJo, sometimes I can (thankfully) not see his postings, sometimes I can.
The first round of drinks at Buddha Bar is on me. :)
Oddly enough, I think if the 2013 Superbowl Ho Down happens, RIO would be the perfect place for it. I miss the Boat. :(
I pay my way.
"Sorry Babushka.
I realized at least one of you LOVES it, too.Dear DoctorOral, thanks for sharing these lovely photos with us! So many days yet to go here in Central / Middle Europe until blond hair together with sun will touch our skin again.
DoctorOral
01-11-13, 15:56
Dear ganesha.
This totally depends on you. And me.
Maybe we find a way to exchange experiences and "providers". Even if you can't recieve PMs.
Dear DoctorOral, thanks for sharing these lovely photos with us! So many days yet to go here in Central / Middle Europe until blond hair together with sun will touch our skin again.
I don't know if RIO has changed but when I used to be a regular I would say it was 60-40 as to a girl providing 'take out' service.More like something near 100% now. The girls are all very average and could not make it in a regular strip club setting. Its mostly village girls now with poor English if any.
Rio is a dinosaur, something still lingering around from the days before the internet. Sooner or later, it will go the way of the dodo.
I don't know if RIO has changed but when I used to be a regular I would say it was 60-40 as to a girl providing 'take out' service.Climaxnow just wrote: "More like something near 100% now. The girls are all very average and could not make it in a regular strip club setting. Its mostly village girls now with poor English if any. Rio is a dinosaur, something still lingering around from the days before the internet. Sooner or later, it will go the way of the dodo."
For the sake of accuracy, Climaxnow's comments are entirely inaccurate based upon my personal actual experience and observation during visits to Kiev I made in October and in the end of November 2012. There are a significant percentage of girls at Rio, as in any strip club, who I consider average or above average in looks that don't make the grade to be considered by me to be "hot" like a stripper should be. But there are also plenty of pretty "hot" girls also dancing there, and to ignore that is to falsify. I doubt seriously that the situation has changed at Rio from my visit in November 2012 until now (the middle of January 2013) not even two months later, such that there could have been such a downgrade of the line up at Rio to ALL average girls, as claimed by Climaxnow. Climaxnow has not claimed he recently visited the Rio club. So his opinion is based on a long time ago, and against his opinion are arrayed the opinions of many other members who state, to the contrary, there are a significant number of quite hot girls there. So Climaxnow's opinion can safely be disregarded as inaccurate and biased.
I expect to be in Kiev February 15, and I plan to hit Rio at least one of the nights I am in town, and if there is any update about a significant change to the quality of the line up, I will report on it.
Mind you, I am not saying that the most beautiful girls in Kiev are to be found in a strip club. That too is inaccurate. One can encounter more beautiful women than the strippers, in places like nightclubs and in fact all around town. But that is not the point. You might see more beautiful women in other places in Kiev, but you cannot have sex with them. The point is that in Kiev a fair percentage of the very hot women dancing in the strip club, can be easily had for p4p as a "take out" date from the strip club. And that is the point which a true monger can appreciate.
LJ
More like something near 100% now. The girls are all very average and could not make it in a regular strip club setting. Its mostly village girls now with poor English if any.
Rio is a dinosaur, something still lingering around from the days before the internet. Sooner or later, it will go the way of the dodo.I don't think the internet is going to replace a time honored place for lonely businessmen, businessmen closing or celebrating a deal or local strip club lovers / groupies as a place to go. Apparently RIO just has recruitment issues. Go to one of the Rhino clubs if you want to see some Ukrainian hotties, they are more traditional western strip clubs, the girls make their money interacting in the club, not outside. I've seen some super hotties going in / out of the one in Arena Citi.
The problem for strip clubs in Kyiv is that if you are age challenged but yet have money to spend you can have just a good of a time, if not better at a nightclub like D'Lux. If you look like you have money the semi pros will find you, more so if you are decent looking.
When I used to be a regular at RIO the group of people that went there for a good time were always Ukrainian or Russian (married) businessmen. I'm sure that hasn't changed.
Member #4491
01-11-13, 19:55
More like something near 100% now. The girls are all very average and could not make it in a regular strip club setting. Its mostly village girls now with poor English if any.
Rio is a dinosaur, something still lingering around from the days before the internet. Sooner or later, it will go the way of the dodo.Thank you for sharing this Climaxnow. I was considering to check it out sooner or later, but this reality check together with the advice on the Rhino clubs, bounced my interest for Rio down to just above a guided Saturday evening tour of Verkhovna Rada.
B
Maybe you have encountered "my" flat chested Christmas or new years angel by now?
If so, let me know and PM me with details! PLEASE.This photo can be found on the following website http://trinixy.ru/37499-devushki-kazantipa-136-foto-nyu.html
I doubt if she would be posing topless on the beach at Christmas time. Given its a Russain website I doubt she would be in Ukraine.
But I can understand your interest in her.
Ripple.
PS In the spirit of sharing this is my fav photo from this site
Member #4491
01-11-13, 22:18
Irish Lad, the link you sent me in response for my five contacts with full contact data is still dead. Do you have other contact information to her?
This might be a coincidence IL, but I think I need to review my exchange policy, because my return seem mostly to be non active profiles or links to "girls" that do not respond. I get this in exchange for my sharing of named, depicted and verified providers. So far very few here in the UA section seems to genuinely understand the benefits from sharing with EACH OTHER.
Barba
flat chested.Flat chested. 19 yo. Russki, from Siberia. On Prosal's bed.
PedroToronja
01-11-13, 23:33
I don't know if RIO has changed but when I used to be a regular I would say it was 60-40 as to a girl providing 'take out' service.
LJ reports disappearing to you might be board issues. I have the same problem with JoJo, sometimes I can (thankfully) not see his postings, sometimes I can.
The first round of drinks at Buddha Bar is on me. .
Oddly enough, I think if the 2013 Superbowl Ho Down happens, RIO would be the perfect place for it. I miss the Boat. .Did I mention that RIO totally, completely, end to end, sucks? Because it does, unless you enjoy a small place where you are there alone or with max 4 other disoriented people like you (or me when I went there) , being closely watched by a couple of 'managers' or bouncers that don't take their eyes from your every movement. Strippers who clearly do not enjoy stripping (none ever smiles) , who do not make a secret that they actually despise you (very Russian attitude, unfortunately not limited to that joint as customer service is still a novelty in FSU) and the girls are a solid 8, never a 4 or a 10. Expensive to top it off. Laid is not guaranteed, as the other dudes tell you. The private dances are in a minuscule cubicle consisting of a small bench where you sit, with a curtain as the only privacy allowed. Girls there during pvt dance only allow touching tits. Sorry, not worth it. Yes, I am ready for all the denials and denunciation from the usual suspect under one name or another. Don't believe me? Go and try, is your money, but don't take a Viagra ahead of time adding $20 to the loss. Think: what anyone (me?) has to win by tearing down that place's repute? I don't promote any other, so why would I lie. On the other hand.
and the girls are a solid 8Are we talking about the same Rio? I'm referring to the one across the street from the German Embassy where 6's reign.
DoctorOral
01-12-13, 10:55
So give it to me, baby!
Flat chested. 19 yo. Russki, from Siberia. On Prosal's bed.
DoctorOral
01-12-13, 12:32
It would be nice you clean it, so I can PM you and ask for their number! .
After living in Kyv for many years this was my 1st venture back in awhile!
So at 18:00 they sms to meet on the street. I suggest the kafe and Sasha asks if I have an apartment. Konishna! They both tell me that it is better if we buy food and whisky and make a party at home! Hmmm, nice plan! And Old Father Christmas sure was smiling on me! In the shop, I am in line to pay and Sasha whispers "You have condoms"? I tell her NO, and you should of seen the look on the cashiers face as she throws down a box!
What a nice time, and these girls are kissing, sucking and licking each other!
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I have the same problem with JoJo, sometimes I can (thankfully) not see his postings, sometimes I can.I have the same problem With You, Prosal. AColonizer. .
Being this Thread's "KeyBoard Commando ", I need to see read all posts and Duck Test them as well to verify the info. And as it happens I have a Good memory for a man of my Age. .
Now, was it 2004 first time you landed in Kiev (Your post Yesterday) , or 2005 as per your earlier posts.
LOL. You are Cruel sometimes, Awful all the time, But I like You. .
Enjoy this clip by (DICK) when in you are in KIEV. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_CG0frQAKc
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I have the same problem with JoJo, sometimes I can (thankfully) not see his postings, sometimes I can.
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I have the same problem With You, Prosal. AColonizer. .
Being this Thread's "KeyBoard Commando ", I need to see read all posts and Duck Test them as well to verify the info. And as it happens I have a Good memory for a man of my Age. .
Now, was it 2004 first time you landed in Kiev (Your post Yesterday) , or 2005 as per your earlier posts.
LOL. You are Cruel sometimes, Awful all the time, But I like You. .
Enjoy this clip by (DICK) when in you are in KIEV. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_CG0frQAKc
Felix Nordic
01-13-13, 00:17
Good evening gents.
This is my reply to the total loser Jojosun in the Minsk section.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2506-Minsk&p=1372595#post1372595
Just a heads up for this moron.
Cheers and Happy New mongering Year.
/Felix
Member #4491
01-13-13, 03:00
good evening gents.lol. well i kind of like his colorful and chaotic posts, but this cat fight has clearly escalated. i am having one weird pm argument with a guy right now. we are all kings behind the keyboard.
felix, we should take that beer or coffee we talked about some time ago. i still have your number. off to ua mid next week, but before that or later in january i am flexible. i need to hear your stories about minsk first hand, before you are totally sucked into the family swamp with this devotchka. can i get a "lånekort" to your video collection? lol.
my quest for rep002 is progressing. just got this from a girl i met once before.
"do you want to see the rep002 or to make it yourself, to feel it on you or to let me feel it on me and maybe you even want to taste it or to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in my mouth? that depends what did you hear and learned about it so just what makes you horny."
clearly not as dramatic as i thought. but the other are only prepared to give, and not take.
b
Irish Lad, the link you sent me in response for my five contacts with full contact data is still dead. Do you have other contact information to her?
This might be a coincidence IL, but I think I need to review my exchange policy, because my return seem mostly to be non active profiles or links to "girls" that do not respond. I get this in exchange for my sharing of named, depicted and verified providers. So far very few here in the UA section seems to genuinely understand the benefits from sharing with EACH OTHER.
BarbaYou have mail.
Of course it's a coincidence. Do I look that type of guy?)
Good evening gents.
This is my reply to the total loser Jojosun in the Minsk section.
Just a heads up for this moron.
/FelixGood Moaning Felix.
Look, I really don't know why are you picking on me just because you are having a Pre- Matrimonial Depression, or really because your Your Belarus GF ditched you.
I am assuming she dumped You, as you told the Minsk thread you were " Logging Off " ISG because its getting serious with her and you were getting married. .
So what made you POP up here from under that Rock? . I know, I did.
Now there is fuck all for you to do in your home country, here is a clip from the Allo, Allo TV series. To cheer you up. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9HXGlk1HwQ
Happy 2013 and Happy Wanking
Member #4491
01-13-13, 04:48
Of course it's a coincidence. Do I look that type of guy?)Me, paranoid? LOL.
Nope, I do not figure you for that type of guy at all, mate. Was mostly bitching and crying on your shoulder. But here are unfortunately more of those wankers than it should be on ISG. Couch travelers and fantasy mongers that spend hours and hours on making fantasy plans with any girl that they got contact information to. Quite sad f*cks, but still annoying!
Response in your inbox, IL.
Cheers!
B.
Me, paranoid? LOL.
Nope, I do not figure you for that type of guy at all, mate. Was mostly bitching and crying on your shoulder. But here are unfortunately more of those wankers than it should be on ISG. Couch travelers and fantasy mongers that spend hours and hours on making fantasy plans with any girl that they got contact information to. Quite sad f*cks, but still annoying!
Response in your inbox, IL.
Cheers!
B.No worries) Your mailbox now full
LifeSavour
01-13-13, 16:06
Doctor OrLOW!
DoctorOral
Senior Member.
Reports.
176.
DoctorOral.
Re: so help.
Very funny, asshole.
Originally Posted by LifeSavour.
Originally Posted by DoctorOral.
Never been EAST 0f Saudi!
Way off topic, but help a SR out? Want to teach science in China. Anyone in education here? Any help?
Thanks in advance!
LS Guy.
Ps. I can help with info about Ukraine! New Years Fun!
So help me.
-flat chested.
-or lesbian.
-or deep deep deepthroat queens.
Thank you.
The girls I was with, none would want me to share! They are very private! But if you "stumble" upon them and you are a nice guy. You could do ok too!
Any of you guys know him? I would LOVE to meet him on the street in Kyiv.
LS "rip your head off and shit down your throat" Guy!
Did I mention that RIO totally, completely, end to end, sucks? Because it does, unless you enjoy a small place where you are there alone or with max 4 other disoriented people like you (or me when I went there) , being closely watched by a couple of 'managers' or bouncers that don't take their eyes from your every movement. Strippers who clearly do not enjoy stripping (none ever smiles) , who do not make a secret that they actually despise you (very Russian attitude, unfortunately not limited to that joint as customer service is still a novelty in FSU) and the girls are a solid 8, never a 4 or a 10. Expensive to top it off. Laid is not guaranteed, as the other dudes tell you. The private dances are in a minuscule cubicle consisting of a small bench where you sit, with a curtain as the only privacy allowed. Girls there during pvt dance only allow touching tits. Sorry, not worth it. Yes, I am ready for all the denials and denunciation from the usual suspect under one name or another. Don't believe me? Go and try, is your money, but don't take a Viagra ahead of time adding $20 to the loss. Think: what anyone (me?) has to win by tearing down that place's repute? I don't promote any other, so why would I lie. On the other hand.Thanks for the information. I travel often to Kiev but never have been in Rio. Based on the reports here seems Rio a good optiom for a quickly hand job or suck and also pick up option. About quality of the girls difficult to discuss because we all have not the same preferences. Prices seems to be also ok. I only wonder if for the normal girls in Kiev has Rio. Bad reputation if I mention I go there? In the past River Palace was ='prostitution
PedroToronja
01-13-13, 18:15
Are we talking about the same Rio? I'm referring to the one across the street from the German Embassy where 6's reign.. I talk about the one next to restaurant Deja Vu, one block from the Opera House. Considering that the average girl in UA is a 7 (for USA standards) , an 8 is not very good. Girls in that club are not fat or ugly, at least the ones I remember form 2 or 3 years ago. Still, not worth going, at all IMHO.
PedroToronja
01-13-13, 18:29
Thanks for the information. I travel often to Kiev but never have been in Rio. Based on the reports here seems Rio a good optiom for a quickly hand job or suck and also pick up option. About quality of the girls difficult to discuss because we all have not the same preferences. Prices seems to be also ok. I only wonder if for the normal girls in Kiev has Rio. Bad reputation if I mention I go there? In the past River Palace was ='prostitutionNo, Rio is not a good option for anything at all. It is a terrible option. Sorry If I have you the wrong impression.
LOL. Well I kind of like his colorful and chaotic posts, but this cat fight has clearly escalated. I am having one weird PM argument with a guy right now. We are all kings behind the keyboard.
Felix, we should take that beer or coffee we talked about some time ago. I still have your number. .
BThanks Barba For your kind words. As it happens I kinda like what I post, and of course I enjoy reading a lot of posts here including Yours. .
The only thing that gets on My Tits with Felix's Posts, is his Fucking Annoying Habit of Greetings in his posts " Good Evening Gentelmen ". Like I said in the Minsk thread, he ignores Old Pricks here, Different Time Zones for people different genders (Including My Dyke Friend and Wingwoman) here Reading the Thread all over the world.
Its not a Cat Fight as far as I am concerned, so much so, that I am willing to buy Felix a round of Drinks anywhere we meet to tell him among other things, Just say Hi, Hello. Short and Sweet. .
. And if you do get to meet him first, find out if he is Suffering with Male menopause also called andropause which can occur naturally in some men. More often than not, though, andropause is triggered by.
Depression, dementia, Obesity.
His Rants show some of the above Symptoms.
No, Rio is not a good option for anything at all. It is a terrible option. Sorry If I have you the wrong impression.There is no such saying that is bad and that is good. All depends on your needs and what of the person you are. As for me I like sometimes just to sit, talk and share some drinks with the girl. Value for money? Not at all, do I give a fuck, no! As for me I don't like Rio at all. Last time I was visiting a strip club in Kiev I went to "Gorod", its rather small place. Most girls can`t even speak English (I can some Russian, and they find it rather charming). Drinks at that time was at the same price as yours, no need to spend huge amount of money. All in all it was a great and cheap night with one more telephone number on my phone.
Hi,
Can anyone give links or give some information regarding the semi pros in Kiev?
Yes, it's across the street from the German Embassy.
Don't you guys ever open your eyes?
. I talk about the one next to restaurant Deja Vu, one block from the Opera House. Considering that the average girl in UA is a 7 (for USA standards) , an 8 is not very good. Girls in that club are not fat or ugly, at least the ones I remember form 2 or 3 years ago. Still, not worth going, at all IMHO.
Gentlemen,
Bickering back and forth about rating girls is foolish. I really cannot comment much on Kiev girls, but I have lots of experience elsewhere. As I have stated in other threads, you cannot account for taste.
I go into FKKs where there may be 60-80 girls. I like petite brunette spinners and there may be 20-30% that fit the bill. At the same time, there are plenty of the rounder, big-titted girls (who I would not consider paying to fuck) , or tall girls, or blondes, that are drawing attention.
Who is right? I am, of course. But so are all of you. Why is anyone arguing whether RIO has a bunch of 6s or a bunch of 8s? Your 8 may not be my 8 and your 6 may not be my 6. Guys like very different things.
I am certainly up for a lively discussion but civility makes the discussion flow that much better.
-YPL
DoctorOral
01-14-13, 08:10
CyberRem.
Always a pleasure to find these dumb questions. So let me give you a smart answer: mamba. Ru!
Hi,
Can anyone give links or give some information regarding the semi pros in Kiev?
DoctorOral
01-14-13, 16:04
Lifesavour proves to be what I called him before. LOL!
Doctor OrLOW!
LS "rip your head off and shit down your throat" Guy!
CyberRem.
Always a pleasure to find these dumb questions. So let me give you a smart answer: mamba. Ru!Mamba is not that great, don't know why so many here are overhappy about cheap and stupid working girls on that site. Try rather other sites and sure best option just do the hunt in Kiev.
Gl!
Do you have other contact information?
So far very few here in the UA section seems to genuinely understand the benefits from sharing with EACH OTHER.
BarbaHi Barba,
Nothing is Expected or wanted in return for the info sent to You. Check your Box.
My hands are already more than full.
Mamba is not that great, don't know why so many here are overhappy about cheap and stupid working girls on that site. Try rather other sites and sure best option just do the hunt in Kiev.Great, another useless post. You put down another person's contribution without giving any substantive alternative."Other sites." Yeah, that is useful.
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Good evening gents.
This is my reply to the total loser Jojosun in the Minsk section.
Just a heads up for this moron.
Cheers and Happy New mongering Year.
/Felix.
Hi Felix.
Read more than once and did a Lot of research on Your Tips on The Central Republics of ASIA as Alternatives to KIEV, but quite honestly do not look very promising to me anyway.
" Ditch KIEV " to go there.
"Have you even been to central Asia? Tashekent even more important as you like to mention it. I was in Tashkent and Uzbekistan, Kirgizstan and Kazakstan in 2010. In Bishkek in Kirgizstan I dated a few girls because I was there for 2 weeks. It was great fun. However my travelling mate did what he could to stop me. I had a hooker from Mamba that cost me USD 30 including anal, golden rain and CIM for 2 hours. Prices like this is not out of reach in Uzb. You can have a girl for a USD 100 for a night. I had girls uploaded for that but was not given the chance as I was traveling with a mate not at all into mongering, but only tourism. For sure, Uzb is not like hot overpriced Kiev, but with a bit of work you.
Will be rewarded. For P4P only and as a fresh man, (ditch Kiev! Again) , a fool and his money.
Darn man, do something else or get your posts straingt. You need a reality check! Big time!".
Felix 's order to me (Ditch Kiev) Post 9569 dated 4- 10. 2012.
Would anyone here "Ditch Kiev" and head to BishBISH in Kirgizstan, or ShushShush in Kazakstan aka Shushstan? . .
Did you hear the one about the comic who so thoroughly offended a foreign country he could face legal action from its government?
Sacha Baron Cohen, star of the "the Ali G Show," is doing his part to put Howard Stern's FCC battles into perspective. Kazakhstan's Foreign Ministry is threatening to sue him for portraying the central Asian state in a "derogatory way." The 34-year-old British comic is under attack for "Borat Sagdiyev," a faux Kazakh TV personality he plays, who gleefully describes his countrymen as drunken sexual deviants.
Earlier this month, Cohen appeared as Borat to host the MTV Europe Music awards show in Lisbon, telling the audience that he arrived on an "Air Kazakh" aircraft, a propeller plane flown by a vodka-swilling pilot.
On his wildly popular HBO show, Cohen's Borat describes himself as the "sixth best known Kazakh in the world." He ruminates over "the terrible events of 7-11" and asks questions such as,"Is Disneyland part of the U. N?"
"In the USA and A. They treat horses like we in Kazakhstan treat our women," he says in one episode."They feed them two times a day. They have them sleep on straw in a small box. And for entertainment, they make them jump over fences while being whipped."
Cheers
Great, another useless post. You put down another person's contribution without giving any substantive alternative."Other sites." Yeah, that is useful.There is endless discussions about other sites on this forum. Just an easy research that would take you a few min would find you those. Anything then mamba is much better in my opinion as long as its not a scamming site that even a 5 yo would detect.
There is endless discussions .There is endless slandering and foundless exaggerations about Mamba, and sometimes also against Rio, in this forum, probably from persons who are paid to drag customers away, or persons with similar shady motivations to do anti-propaganda. Give us a break, so this forum can have some meaningful discussion.
there is endless slandering and foundless exaggerations about mamba, and sometimes also against rio, in this forum, probably from persons who are paid to drag customers away, or persons with similar shady motivations to do anti-propaganda. give us a break, so this forum can have some meaningful discussion.i don't mind you and some others to think my posts are useless and not doing any good to this forum. you can simply ignore them or send a message to a moderator if i by any means broke rules of this forum. kiev is a great city, full of smart, elegant and true women. and every time a new member seeks advise there is two options given rio and mamba by some few "respected" members of this forum. i think its important to say kiev has got much more to offer then that! now why i say i don't like mamba that's because most messages you get back are "600gr / hr". instead of using other sites to seduce sex hungry women. yes there is plenty of them, the last one i had was mother theresa by her words. next thing i know she is telling me of her sex fantasy and asking me to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) on her slap her butt hard while i fucking her hard from behind. now which option is better 600 hr / h or the other one is probably individual. so my experience with other sites are much much better. the best part is getting it free of charge and having all that exitment seducing which i just love. the point is people should know there is other options in this city. why don't i like rio, well in general i don't visit strip clubs to often since basicly its waist of money even i can have great times there. but for me some other options then rio seems better. i have mentioned gorod in one of my prevues posts. i think quality of girls there was great, its small and intimate (i like that). no additional costs on girls drinks and i got a tlf number of one of the girls. now all is a matter of taste and preference, but for me other options in kiev seem better.
There is endless discussions about other sites on this forum. Just an easy research that would take you a few min would find you those. Anything then mamba is much better in my opinion as long as its not a scamming site that even a 5 yo would detect.I have read this thread back to the start of 2010. I am not aware of any free site other than mamba discussed where one can find easy independent and agency P4P options and the potential for freebies. Maybe top model is OK. For me vk.com seems to be a good hunting ground for freebies but not P4P. I am all for freebies but this is a mongering forum after all and information about how to successfully monger is what most people come here for. What the different options are that the various venues and websites provide is probably the most useful to the visiting monger.
I'd still love some more info about the streetwalker scene but have not gotten much feedback.
Can anyone suggest a pre-paid sim card provider which includes data for Kiev? What is a popular network?
Can anyone suggest a pre-paid sim card provider which includes data for Kiev? What is a popular network?You can get this info in many of my prior posts. Kievstar and MTC are two telephone providers with offices on Bogdana Khmielnitskogo. You can get SIM cards at their offices. I went into Kievstar with an unlocked Blackberry and they said they can't handle the data aspect for a Blackberry, and I should go to MTC.
You can get this info in many of my prior posts. Kievstar and MTC are two telephone providers with offices on Bogdana Khmielnitskogo. You can get SIM cards at their offices. I went into Kievstar with an unlocked Blackberry and they said they can't handle the data aspect for a Blackberry, and I should go to MTC.Thanks LJ. I know MTC is good for phone, but I am more concerned about data. I can only assume there will be no issue with a iphone.
DoctorOral
01-15-13, 08:40
I talked to the people at MTC in passage a year ago. They configured my phone so I have data access with a prepaid card.
I use around 50 grn per day now for data.
Thanks LJ. I know MTC is good for phone, but I am more concerned about data. I can only assume there will be no issue with a iphone.I was inquiring specifically about data access, as I mentioned. I just mentioned the problem that Kievstar had for providing data for a Blackberry, as that will be helpful to those who would be using a Blackberry for this. I didn't ask about iPhone data at Kievstar office.
I couldn't free up my iPhone for a local SIM card because My iPhone remains with my own cell number back in the USA so that I can be reached from USA by all those who may need to contact me, and I purchase a data plan from my home provider to cover data usage for emails and other data usage, such as Google Translate, but I try to keep this limited when I am out and about, and mainly I use it to open emails when I am in my apartment and have a free wireless connection.
But I will be bringing a mini iPad with me next time, and want to get a data plan from a local Ukrainian provider for it, so I can use the Google Translator more economically around town
MTS and KyivStar are the two biggest and popular providers. No problems with an unlocked iphone.
You don't have to go to a carrier owned store to get a sim card or service. Mobile phone stores are all over the place in Kyiv. You can use the kiosk to top off your account 24/7.
Can anyone suggest a pre-paid sim card provider which includes data for Kiev? What is a popular network?
MTS and KyivStar are the two biggest and popular providers. No problems with an unlocked iphone.
You don't have to go to a carrier owned store to get a sim card or service. Mobile phone stores are all over the place in Kyiv. You can use the kiosk to top off your account 24/7.I had Kievstar on my iphone, then MTC.
Life for iPhone and internet is by far the best in terms of reception and cost.
I have read this thread back to the start of 2010. I am not aware of any free site other than mamba discussed where one can find easy independent and agency P4P options and the potential for freebies. Maybe top model is OK. For me vk. Com seems to be a good hunting ground for freebies but not P4P. I am all for freebies but this is a mongering forum after all and information about how to successfully monger is what most people come here for. What the different options are that the various venues and websites provide is probably the most useful to the visiting monger.
I'd still love some more info about the streetwalker scene but have not gotten much feedback.There is no real "streetwalker" scene in Kiev which would explain the lack of feedback.
There is no real "streetwalker" scene in Kiev which would explain the lack of feedback.Thanks IL. I heard there were streetwalkers around McDonalds and Independence Square-not much more than that. I assume now that these are just normal prostitutes that just happen to be outside in these areas rather than streetwalkers that do it on a consistent basis.
Thanks IL. I heard there were streetwalkers around McDonalds and Independence Square-not much more than that. I assume now that these are just normal prostitutes that just happen to be outside in these areas rather than streetwalkers that do it on a consistent basis.Yeah. It's different here to other cities. I guess the cops would just hassle them. Odessa has a little scene going. Along Kreschatyk, close to M&S, you'll often see a few girls sitting on the benches that are open to proposition rather than outright hawking themselves.
Having said that, this being Kiev, anything can happen. I am often approached by girls offering a coffee. On one occasion I said "no thanks. I am married" and the woman said "and so, you fuck your wife, you can also fuck me".
Also, with sponsorship being very much understood here, it's possible to offer meetings with a higher percentage of girls than you think in return for material support. A typical conversation could go like this. Man asks 'what you searching for?" Girl replies "husband, and you?". Man replies " nothing serious, just fun". Girl replies "ok. Material help included?". Now that isn't to say she sees herself as a prostitute, nor the man sees her as one. More the fact she needs to shop, you need fun. In riverpalace many years ago a girl said to me "I'm not a prostitute, I just need the money". Now that reads like a joke but actually isn't.
I have a friend who visits and has the most gentle demeanor. He compliments almost every girl he meets. He has an uncanny ability to invite girls from anywhere, restaurant waitresses, shop manageresses (all beautiful) to his apartment for an evening. His approach has an inbuilt suggestion that he finds them beautiful, wants them and respects their need for money. He is in his 50s and scores with 20 year olds. They feel wanted and rewarded all at the same time. No implication of prostitution.
Also, with sponsorship being very much understood here, it's possible to offer meetings with a higher percentage of girls than you think in return for material support. A typical conversation could go like this. Man asks 'what you searching for?" Girl replies "husband, and you?". Man replies " nothing serious, just fun". Girl replies "ok. Material help included?". Now that isn't to say she sees herself as a prostitute, nor the man sees her as one. More the fact she needs to shop, you need fun. In riverpalace many years ago a girl said to me "I'm not a prostitute, I just need the money". Now that reads like a joke but actually isn't.
I have a friend who visits and has the most gentle demeanor. He compliments almost every girl he meets. He has an uncanny ability to invite girls from anywhere, restaurant waitresses, shop manageresses (all beautiful) to his apartment for an evening. His approach has an inbuilt suggestion that he finds them beautiful, wants them and respects their need for money. He is in his 50s and scores with 20 year olds. They feel wanted and rewarded all at the same time. No implication of prostitution.If you really want to understand prostitution in Kiev, read and understand the above paragraphs. The first layer of prostitution that is visible to tourists is only the tip of the iceberg. Prostitution is rampant but yet at the same time almost invisible in Kiev. Sponsorship is the core of the real action and not just simple p4p coital encounters.
AColonizer
01-15-13, 20:49
oooh, what a bizarre! men looking for "fun" and women looking for "husband". but a "coital meeting" is not fun, that is one of the many aspects of loneliness, through the payment of basic sex. that "fun" is not prostitution, strictly speaking. prostitution is any "body" service that a man can't get easily by any woman: anal fisting, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) drinking, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) sex, hard sado-maso, etc. : this is fun! and this is the problem with any monger: why do you pay the same price for basic sex when you could fulfill your fantasies at the same price? and therefore the sex market is inflated in this crazy way!
i sometimes like to try the opposite game, not looking for "fun", but looking for a beautiful "wife", and i usually receive the same / opposite reply "i am looking for a sponsor". this proves 99% women in kiev or in mamba sites are not actually interested in money-free relationships with a foreigner, and the reason "looking for a husband" is one of the classic ways to move to pity foreigners' heart, therefore foreigners don't ask the same sexual performances that slavic women usually make to their slavic men: anal sex, pissing, fisting and sometimes group sex.
I heard there were streetwalkers around McDonalds and Independence Square-not much more than that. I assume now that these are just normal prostitutes that just happen to be outside in these areas rather than streetwalkers that do it on a consistent basis.On the way back from Tixi Omut Strip club (Thank you QT for the tip) I asked my young taxi driver out of curiosity if there were any prostitutes on the streets in Kiev? He drove to a Wide dark Street away from the centre, forgot the name. Looked dodgy like anywhere else in Europe or the US.
Ask a young Taxi Driver on the Night shift and he will take you there. .
You have been Warned.
Once I met an Attractive young girl whom I thought gave me a nice smile walking along Krischatick daytime, I just went up to her and we started chatting. Spoke very good English and I thought bingo.
Offered to show me how to use the Metro, went with her to shooters, Katyn monument, other place.
She really got angry when the fucking taxi driver told her in Russian that I asked him to me to Roxolana Massage later on in the night. It turned out she really wasn't a Prostitute.
Didn't drink or liked to go to clubs or come back to my room. And when she left me she turned round and said " I am not a Prostitute ". I really felt sorry for her. But I was hoping she was a Prostitute or a semi.
I posted on her here back in Nov 2009.
AColonizer you are a sick fuck but I like your style.
Climaxnow and Irish Lad, you input is very interesting. While it sounds like the percentage of the population willing to engage in a sponsor type situation is high, what difference do you see between this and a "sugar daddy" situation?
I really like the idea of picking up "freebies" and even sponsorettes, but what do you think about overall cost? I mean, I can find a girl on mamba that will do all night for 2500 UAH. If I take a sponsorette shopping, might I expect to spend more? Or is shopping typically less expensive? Do you normally fuck a girl before shopping happens?
I am sorta kidding here, wanting to spur discussion, but I am curious on how much cash you guys might lay down in a typical week to keep your beds full of the "freebies" you pull? I know the sex is probably MUCH better than with pros, but what of the actual cost?
I am budgeting $4,000 USD for 2 weeks in February. I could get a lot of P4P with that. Assuming I have decent "game," is this enough to keep my bed full of "freebies"?
His approach has an inbuilt suggestion that he finds them beautiful, wants them and respects their need for money.
I'd love some details on how that conversation goes. ;-)
Your thoughts are encouraged.
-YPL
acolonizer you are a sick fuck but i like your style.
climaxnow and irish lad, you input is very interesting. while it sounds like the percentage of the population willing to engage in a sponsor type situation is high, what difference do you see between this and a "sugar daddy" situation?
i really like the idea of picking up "freebies" and even sponsorettes, but what do you think about overall cost? i mean, i can find a girl on mamba that will do all night for 2500 uah. if i take a sponsorette shopping, might i expect to spend more? or is shopping typically less expensive? do you normally fuck a girl before shopping happens?
i am sorta kidding here, wanting to spur discussion, but i am curious on how much cash you guys might lay down in a typical week to keep your beds full of the "freebies" you pull? i know the sex is probably much better than with pros, but what of the actual cost?
i am budgeting $4, 000 usd for 2 weeks in february. i could get a lot of p4p with that. assuming i have decent "game," is this enough to keep my bed full of "freebies"?
i'd love some details on how that conversation goes. .
your thoughts are encouraged.
-ypli am not 100% sure of the meaning of the term "sugar daddy" but i think that has more a long term and larger financial commitment than is more common here. true, there are many stories of oligarchs giving cars etc to girls after 1 meeting, but the normal financial implications of being a sponsor range from taking care of personal expenses totaling $200-$1, 000 a month, up to providing an apartment, a car and a few thousand dollars spending money per month. i know 2 girls who it turned out had the same lover. 1 girl got $3, 000 a month whereas the other got $300. the example i referred to earlier is more a casual one off arrangement where my friend implies that he will take care of the girls without calling them prostitutes. dinner, chocolates and $100 the next day is his normal mo.
it's quite difficult to answer your "how much" question as the range of possibilities is quite varied. during my 6 years here i would guess the average cost would be $100 per night. that is a weighted average based on freebies, mini sponsorships and straight out mamba. i have used standard deviation to arrive at this figure and have left out the following:- regular 3 somes. 4 somes and 5 somes where it's me and 2/3/4 girls at no cost and at the other end of the scale, holidays in thailand, where it's me and 3/4 girls at a huge cost.
on your other question, i would guess that shopping is cheaper until it becomes more expensive- girls usually expect more and more and no, i have never taken a girl shopping in advance and rarely after the fact.
the problem with "budgeting" is that your behavior will work against you. better to go with the flow. i am not suggesting you splash out on every girl you meet but girls here are cutely aware of how a man spends his money. be generous in small ways and control the situation so you don't get taken advantage of. decide the restaurant and what the girl is eating and drinking. don't be stingy or too flash. trust your gut instincts 100% and if it feels wrong it is wrong. a girl who orders "fresh" grapefruit should be thrown away. it's taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). whereas a girl who orders "juice" is a good bet. apelcine "sock" is orange juice, apelcine 'fresh" is freshly squeezed orange juice.
to continue the theme, the difference between pros and regular girls, sponsored or otherwise is like comparing apples and oranges. each has its pros (excuse the pun) and cons. short term visitors here are a little restricted in their options unless they have the game my friend has or the organizational skills that cruiser d or hunter dave have.
I am budgeting $4,000 USD for 2 weeks in February. I could get a lot of P4P with that. Assuming I have decent "game," is this enough to keep my bed full of "freebies"?Just to bring a grain of salt to what has been said about financial "compensation". In FSU you can meet girls whose primary interest is NOT money. Girls who will like you as a person, and not because they see a financial benefice to be with you. Honest girls who prefer romantic cafes to expensive fusion-food restaurants, and enjoy more an evening at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to a glam money-obliterating club. Not of girls are money-hungry bittches. I concur with Irish. Instinct and intuition are your best weapons. Many guys don't have those qualities though.
Just to say.
I am budgeting $4,000 USD for 2 weeks in February.Just for the record, average costs in Tashkent.
* light lunch for self at a mall foodcourt : 4 €
* meeting in nice cafe for two, coffee and either salad or dessert: 6 €
* light dinner for two in mid-level restaurant with drinks (beer) : 20 €
* heavy dinner for two in upmarket restaurant with many drinks (wine plus cocktails) and additional courses: 40/50 €
* light night clubbing at one mid-level club with average volume drinks for self and occasional drinks for girls: 30 €
* heavy night clubbing at glam club with VIP table, multiple drinks for self and drinks (bottles) for girls : 120 €
* heavy night (10pm-6am) at strip bar, with multiple lapdancings / neck massages and multiple drinks for self and girls: 100 €
* quality pro Russian pussy (for all night) : $50 to $100.
It would be interesting to have the same kind of estimations for Kiev. I guess that you can multiply those costs by three. In Moscow or Piter, you definitely spend easily five times more.
As a side note, I now sometimes spend weekends in Bucarest, and at 4, 5 RON for 1 €, bar prices are a steal there. An imported beer in the most exclusive glam clubs (Bamboo, Barletto, ect) costs an average of 15 RON per bottle, a mojito an average of 22 RON.
On the way back from Tixi Omut Strip club (Thank you QT for the tip) I asked my young taxi driver out of curiosity if there were any prostitutes on the streets in Kiev? He drove to a Wide dark Street away from the centre, forgot the name. Looked dodgy like anywhere else in Europe or the US.
Ask a young Taxi Driver on the Night shift and he will take you there. .
You have been Warned.Jogged my memory. It was on the other side of the Dnipro River.
Will try to get the name and post it here. Why are you interested in SWS?
LifeSavour
01-16-13, 16:05
I have a friend who visits and has the most gentle demeanor. He compliments almost every girl he meets. He has an uncanny ability to invite girls from anywhere, restaurant waitresses, shop manageresses (all beautiful) to his apartment for an evening. His approach has an inbuilt suggestion that he finds them beautiful, wants them and respects their need for money. He is in his 50s and scores with 20 year olds. They feel wanted and rewarded all at the same time. No implication of prostitution.Hey Irish guy. Didn't know you "cared about me ". But thanks for writing about me! Xa xa.
Chill Bill
01-16-13, 17:48
Hello. Anyone here of this website?
http://www.phototours-ukraine.com
The allow you to come in a book a session with their models for erotic and nude photo shoots. Was wondering if anyone tried it and if they had success with it?
Just to bring a grain of salt to what has been said about financial "compensation". In FSU you can meet girls whose primary interest is NOT money. Girls who will like you as a person, and not because they see a financial benefice to be with you. Honest girls who prefer romantic cafes to expensive fusion-food restaurants, and enjoy more an evening at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to a glam money-obliterating club. Not of girls are money-hungry bittches. I concur with Irish. Instinct and intuition are your best weapons. Many guys don't have those qualities though.
Just to say.You are quite right. I didn't refer to that side for a number of reasons:-
1. The majority of visitors from here don't have the time to meet that type.
2. The very question "How much?" already places the discussion into a distinct arena.
As you yourself know and I as mentioned, it's difficult to answer the "how much?" question and still include those girls that you refer to. A recent post says "I wouldn't sleep with you for all the money in the world" yet, some romance, respect and courting might do it.
I have gone out, spent $100's and slept alone and gone out, spent almost nothing yet had a 5 some. Got to go with the flow. It all pans out in the end. Having a "budget" approach sets your path though.
In FSU you can meet girls whose primary interest is NOT money. Girls who will like you as a person, and not because they see a financial benefice to be with you. Honest girls who prefer romantic cafes to expensive fusion-food restaurants, and enjoy more an evening at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to a glam money-obliterating club.True, but this door is not open to short term tourists in Ukraine.
Jogged my memory. It was on the other side of the Dnipro River.
Will try to get the name and post it here. Why are you interested in SWS?Thanks Jojosun. My answer was posted elsewhere. Because "sometimes I like the seedier side of life." I have paid $2,000 USD to spend the night with a model quality girl in Germany and less than $10 for all night with a bar girl in a Ho Chi Minh City dive. Picking a "working girl" up off the street or even fucking her in an alley appeals to some animal side of me. It isn't what I want all the time, but it can be exciting.
PedroToronja
01-17-13, 00:09
I had Kievstar on my iphone, then MTC.
Life for iPhone and internet is by far the best in terms of reception and cost.Any unlocked GSM phone will work in UA. You can buy any size SIM card from the companies they mention. They are both in Passage and Kreshiatik, almost across from each other. You deposit money into the phone at those stores or at many machines located everywhere. A friend can even reload them on the internet. Your phone will work for calls and data, no problem. You may need to change the APN setting on Cellular settings, for the data part. IPad from Verizon will work with a similar SIM, it is unlocked. I got two SIMS, one for my unlocked iPhone, and one for my iPad. I also got a USB cellular modem (with a third SIM) for my laptop. I travel with a portable WiFi access point: if the hotel or apartment has internet connection but no wireless internet, I can connect the access point, wired, to the wall or router, and put the signal 'in the air' for my ipad, laptop and iphones (I also carry one iPhone with my US number, in case a Client needs to call me). To call back to the US, just install Skype in your phones, ipad and laptop, and you talk all you want for free: calls on Skype are free to USA, from anywhere. To call international from your phone in UA with your UA SIM, dial 0001 area code and number. If you dial directly it will cost you a fortune. Good luck!
PedroToronja
01-17-13, 00:47
oooh, what a bizarre! men looking for "fun" and women looking for "husband". but a "coital meeting" is not fun, that is one of the many aspects of loneliness, through the payment of basic sex. that "fun" is not prostitution, strictly speaking. prostitution is any "body" service that a man can't get easily by any woman: anal fisting, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) drinking, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) sex, hard sado-maso, etc. : this is fun! and this is the problem with any monger: why do you pay the same price for basic sex when you could fulfill your fantasies at the same price? and therefore the sex market is inflated in this crazy way!
i sometimes like to try the opposite game, not looking for "fun", but looking for a beautiful "wife", and i usually receive the same / opposite reply "i am looking for a sponsor". this proves 99% women in kiev or in mamba sites are not actually interested in money-free relationships with a foreigner, and the reason "looking for a husband" is one of the classic ways to move to pity foreigners' heart, therefore foreigners don't ask the same sexual performances that slavic women usually make to their slavic men: anal sex, pissing, fisting and sometimes group sex.well, those may be your fantasies, but please do not assume that we all, or most of us, share them. i prefer the gf experience, and that is exactly what i get by sponsoring a girl in ua. as far as the sex these girls get from their ua men: 1 minute doggy style, they cum and walk away. not even kissing or playing with their (often wonderful) tits. some do anal, but they all consider it the lowest form of prostitution and most won't do it.
PedroToronja
01-17-13, 00:55
Just to bring a grain of salt to what has been said about financial "compensation". In FSU you can meet girls whose primary interest is NOT money. Girls who will like you as a person, and not because they see a financial benefice to be with you. Honest girls who prefer romantic cafes to expensive fusion-food restaurants, and enjoy more an evening at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to a glam money-obliterating club. Not of girls are money-hungry bittches. I concur with Irish. Instinct and intuition are your best weapons. Many guys don't have those qualities though.
Just to say.I fully agree with the quote, that matches my experience. In this culture, 'spending money on your girl' is part of being romantic and a gentleman. It also shows that you made something of yourself and deserve respect and.probably- her love. So: yes, there will be money involved, but not as most assume. There are also the plain prostitutes, but most are not and you can still get laid. They live in a Kleptocracy (however you spell the government of the thieves) , they were dealt a most shitty hand and they need to survive.
" I have paid $2,000 USD to spend the night with a model quality girl in Germany and less than $10 for all night with a bar girl in a (Ho) Chi Minh City dive. .USD2000, for a Frau.
USD 10, For a HOE.
U$ 1990. = Difference. How did they compare?
Well, those may be your fantasies, but please do not assume that we all, or most of us, share them. I prefer the GF experience, and that is exactly what I get by sponsoring a girl in UA. As far as the sex these girls get from their UA men: 1 minute doggy style, they cum and walk away. Not even kissing or playing with their (often wonderful) tits. Some do anal, but they all consider it the lowest form of prostitution and most won't do it.This is 100% true. From all of the women I have met and had sex with in Ukraine (Odessa only) I hear the same. A few minutes BJ. 1 minute doggy-style, maybe 2 minutes missionary, they cum and run away. This seems to be "Ukranian Sex-standard".
I take my time, play with their wonderful tits, caress their nice bodies, kisses them gently and treats them with respect. The result is woman that is shivers in orgasms within minutes and do this several times before you have your cumshot. I can do this for hours and the result is a VERY grateful woman that wants do do this again.
I prefer also the GFE and there is no better feeling when you feel a womans naked body next to yours after a long-time sex-adventure.
Rune J.
To call international from your phone in UA with your UA SIM, dial 0001 area code and number. If you dial directly it will cost you a fortune. Good luck!Pedro, you added one extra "0."
The correct way to call internationally here is 001-number. 0044-number etc. From any phone. Otherwise you will get a message that you called the wrong number or the call cannot be completed.
And you are right, it is not cheap.
I have a broadband connection at home here and I use Vonage and its modem connector. All my calls, incoming and outgoing, to the US are "free" (I pay for the monthly service) and calls elsewhere are low cost with the quality being quite good. It cannot be used with a wi-fi connection, alas, for that I use Skype.
And you are right, it is not cheap.More and more girls seem to now use apps like Viber (free app for free calls, text and picture sharing) or WhatsApp (idem, but solely free text and pic sharing). It works astoundingly well by the way, whatever the network or the country. If your favorite girls don't have it yet on their smartphone, it is wise to ask them to download it (it's a 30 seconds free download, then it scans all your contacts to select those who also have the app). A great tool indeed. I had a two hours text conversation yesterday on WhatsApp with a girl in Sevastopol and really, it's amazing how well and fast it works, even for the picture sharing.
http://www.whatsapp.com/?l=en
http://viber.com/
As far as the sex these girls get from their UA men: 1 minute doggy style, they cum and walk away. Not even kissing or playing with their (often wonderful) tits. Some do anal, but they all consider it the lowest form of prostitution and most won't do it.+1. For a lot of Slavic girls, and it seems particularly Ukrainians, sex with the local boyfriend is a chore they have to do, not something they particularly enjoy.
But I disagree about anal. Most Russian girls like sex rough and dirty and many are keen on doing it. Not all of course, but from my experience, I'd say some 40 per cent. My current Russian GF says that it's what "she likes the most". Which is great, as it's a hobby of mine. (smilie)
True, but this door is not open to short term tourists in Ukraine.It does, if, before landing, you do your homework on good "East meets West" dating sites (ie not mamba) where girls are legit and, for the most, honest and genuine.
USD2000, for a Frau.
USD 10, For a HOE.
U$ 1990. = Difference. How did they compare?The Frau was great. She wouldn't let me sleep and she did everything I wanted enthusiastically. She is still at the agency but it looks like the years have not been kind to her from the pictues. At least the agency does a good job keeping accurate pictures.
As far as that specific "HOE," I don't really remember-probably a star fish. I have done a lot of girls in SE Asia. To me Philippines is the best GFE in SE Asia. Typically 30-60 for all night and the good ones do a good job. Unfortunately I have no experience in other parts of Asia. I want to try those Uzbeks.
More and more girls seem to now use apps like Viber (free app for free calls, text and picture sharing) or WhatsApp (idem, but solely free text and pic sharing). It works astoundingly well by the way, whatever the network or the country. If your favorite girls don't have it yet on their smartphone, it is wise to ask them to download it (it's a 30 seconds free download, then it scans all your contacts to select those who also have the app). (A great tool indeed.) I had a two hours text conversation yesterday on WhatsApp with a girl in Sevastopol and really, it's amazing how well and fast it works, even for the picture sharing.
http://www.whatsapp.com/?l=en
http://viber.com/Many thanks for the links. Really very useful.
I bet you show them your (Tool) on the picture sharing.
PedroToronja
01-17-13, 17:49
This is 100% true. From all of the women I have met and had sex with in Ukraine (Odessa only) I hear the same. A few minutes BJ. 1 minute doggy-style, maybe 2 minutes missionary, they cum and run away. This seems to be "Ukranian Sex-standard".
I take my time, play with their wonderful tits, caress their nice bodies, kisses them gently and treats them with respect. The result is woman that is shivers in orgasms within minutes and do this several times before you have your cumshot. I can do this for hours and the result is a VERY grateful woman that wants do do this again.
I prefer also the GFE and there is no better feeling when you feel a womans naked body next to yours after a long-time sex-adventure.
Rune J.A beautiful 21 year old girl from Odessa, on our first time in bed, as I was licking her beautiful young tits, asked me with surprise "do you like them?" No guy had ever bothered with her tits. Amazing waste, how idiots those guys, what an opportunity for us. BTW, no guy had ever made her cum, only she was able to cum by masturbating. Even the missionary, is not the norm: they just go for the BJ and doggy. If the girl does not cum, it is her fault according to those guys. Most none of them go down on the girl. To score in UA it pays to be a gentleman (those guys don't buy them flowers) , hold the door open for them, kiss them. Another girl, actually a model, after I kissed her in her beautiful lips for some 15 minutes before going for the tits and make my way to paradise, she confessed that she never kissed that long before. Guys, this is the promised land for anyone capable and willing do care for the girl.
. I want to try those Uzbeks."Ditch Kiev"
PedroToronja
01-17-13, 17:53
Pedro, you added one extra "0."
The correct way to call internationally here is 001-number. 0044-number etc. From any phone. Otherwise you will get a message that you called the wrong number or the call cannot be completed.
And you are right, it is not cheap.
I have a broadband connection at home here and I use Vonage and its modem connector. All my calls, incoming and outgoing, to the US are "free" (I pay for the monthly service) and calls elsewhere are low cost with the quality being quite good. It cannot be used with a wi-fi connection, alas, for that I use Skype.I use MTC in UA, and for years I have been dialing triple zero. 1, area code and number, and getting through. Maybe is different with Kyivstar? Yes, I also have Vonage and works like Skype, free to USA if you have WiFi.
A beautiful 21 year old girl from Odessa, on our first time in bed, as I was licking her beautiful young tits, asked me with surprise "do you like them?" No guy had ever bothered with her tits. Amazing waste, how idiots those guys, what an opportunity for us. BTW, no guy had ever made her cum, only she was able to cum by masturbating. Even the missionary, is not the norm: they just go for the BJ and doggy. If the girl does not cum, it is her fault according to those guys. Most none of them go down on the girl. To score in UA it pays to be a gentleman (those guys don't buy them flowers) , hold the door open for them, kiss them. Another girl, actually a model, after I kissed her in her beautiful lips for some 15 minutes before going for the tits and make my way to paradise, she confessed that she never kissed that long before. Guys, this is the promised land for anyone capable and willing do care for the girl.There is to big competition among girls in UA. And some stupid bitches are treated like this here, where local guys empty their tank and run. One must be really naive to believe such is a normal in UA.
Borubudun11
01-18-13, 03:20
Can you guys give me a website that I can book an apartment / flat in Kiev. And also can I get invoice from them mb I may need it.
Thanks
A beautiful 21 year old girl from Odessa, on our first time in bed, as I was licking her beautiful young tits, asked me with surprise "do you like them?" No guy had ever bothered with her tits. Amazing waste, how idiots those guys, what an opportunity for us. BTW, no guy had ever made her cum, only she was able to cum by masturbating. Even the missionary, is not the norm: they just go for the BJ and doggy. If the girl does not cum, it is her fault according to those guys. Most none of them go down on the girl. To score in UA it pays to be a gentleman (those guys don't buy them flowers) , hold the door open for them, kiss them. Another girl, actually a model, after I kissed her in her beautiful lips for some 15 minutes before going for the tits and make my way to paradise, she confessed that she never kissed that long before. Guys, this is the promised land for anyone capable and willing do care for the girl.I have had the same experience as well.
Playing, kissing and licking tits / nipples makes them go "nuts". The tits I played with so far has been A-cups and B-cups.
They are firm and not to big to play with. The women always asks me if I like them and they think their tits are small. I say that I like them and the size doesn't matter. I read somewhere that small tits are more sensitive then big tits. It was something about the number of nerves and squarearea of tits.
Number of nerves + Big tits / bigger area= less sensitive.
Number of nerves + Small tits / small area = more sensitive.
Every time I have played with their tits they have had orgasms, some even within minutes. One of the gems that I have found had orgasm within minutes and several ones on our first meeting. She said that her ex-bf made her have orgasm 10 times in one YEAR.
I made her have orgasms 10 times (minimum.) in 2 hours. It was kissing (lips and body) , tittyplay, caressing, talking, fingering and DATY. When I tried DATY for the first time with her, she said that she didn't like it and objected a little. She objected and tried to move my head, but I stayed down there and continued with DATY.
The objection to my DATY lasted for 5 seconds.
After that, everything was OK and no more objections.
After giving her several orgasms I fingered her and found her G-spot.
What a reaction! I thought she would climb the wall by her teeths.
From what I read here and have experienced is that UA women never have been given a real good orgasm from UA men. The men makes the women feel that the responsibility for a womans orgasm is hers, not the mans responsibility. That is so wrong and that is why western men benefit so well with these women.
Maybe I am "special" since I can have sex for one hour and not cum or that I can have several cums in several hours.
I have one simple rule and that is "Everything below 45 minutes of sex is cheating / faking."
If you treat UA women with respect, attention, good foreplay, good longtime sex and relaxation after sex, you will have your personal sexmachine or sexmaniac.
In basic, be a gentleman!
Happy mongering!
Rune J.
Can you guys give me a website that I can book an apartment / flat in Kiev. And also can I get invoice from them mb I may need it.
ThanksWww.partnerguesthouse.com
Instant confirmation of your reservation + a real company with a real office + invoice
In basic, be a gentleman!IMO being TOO "genteman" in bed is just as bad as being too rude and selfish. In my experience, Slavic women like sex a bit rough and dirty (with the right dose of sensuality at the right moments).
Hi Pedro,
Is she from the agency that you mentioned before?
Did you finally fuck a girl from agency?
Good luck.
Another girl, actually a model, after I kissed her in her beautiful lips for some 15 minutes before going for the tits and make my way to paradise, she confessed that she never kissed that long before.
Unfortunately I have no experience in other parts of Asia. I want to try those Uzbeks.Just for the record, SOME uzbek women do have asian features, but not the majority of them. The variety of the women in Tashkent is incredibly diverse and IMO unparalleled. There is an abundance of Slavs (during Soviet era, and particularly during WW2, there has been massive forced relocations to Uzbekistan from West Russia and Poland, about 1, 2 million people) , Persians, Caucasians (notably Chechens and Avars) , Tatars, Koreans (also relocated to Uz by Stalin from Far East Russia) , Central asians, Turks, and just about everything in between. The ethnicities and the mixtures in Uzbekistan are truly exotic, and Uzbekistan definitely can't be categorized as an "asian" country.
YellowPaul
01-18-13, 16:12
Can you guys give me a website that I can book an apartment / flat in Kiev. And also can I get invoice from them mb I may need it.
Thankswww.airbnb.com
This site does not get as much attention but it has some better places and great website of knowing exactly where you are staying and what is around you with the street view.
I`m staying here in Feb for $100 a night: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/52949
YP
www.airbnb.com
This site does not get as much attention but it has some better places and great website of knowing exactly where you are staying and what is around you with the street view.
I`m staying here in Feb for $100 a night:
https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/52949
YPEast or West I go I always stay at Hotels in the centre with 24/7 Reception, Room Service etc. .
For my next trip to Kiev I have been researching this place which was posted in the Kiev thread some time ago .http://www.kievinn.com/
It does get very good Reviews on www.expedia.com And on http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g294474-d1627212-Reviews-KievInn-Kiev.html
On the site for Kievinn Apartments, I notice it says "Pets are allowed at No Extra Charge " Old Dogs?
Any Feedback Straight From The Mongers mouth on this thread, re facilities, service, etc. .
Thanks
YellowPaul
01-18-13, 17:46
It does, if, before landing, you do your homework on good "East meets West" dating sites (ie not mamba) where girls are legit and, for the most, honest and genuine.Exactly. I got about 6-7 potential dates lined up with regular girls that I have been talking to on Skype for the last 3-4 months. A few have even a good jobs and are well traveled.
The only downside there is no guarantee that you will score on the first night and since I have only 7 nights there then I'm forced to hitting the clubs to look for some action.
Off topic, but I always wondered if these kind of scams happened in Kiev. According to the article, the scam originated in Latvia.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2013/01/18/south-beach-girl-scammer-gets-years-prison/zhXVP0piUTg9heQd7HXtzM/story.html
Exactly. I got about 6-7 potential dates lined up with regular girls that I have been talking to on Skype for the last 3-4 months. A few have even a good jobs and are well traveled.
The only downside there is no guarantee that you will score on the first night and since I have only 7 nights there then I'm forced to hitting the clubs to look for some action.Right. One week is too short if you have too many contacts to meet. Twelve days (two weekends) is better, three weeks or one month is ideal. Of course it is possible to score on the first night, but with many girls you will score on the second date, and there's no guarantee they can meet you on consecutive days or within 2-3 days. Depends entirely on her and your schedule. Usually it's only after four or five days on site that you can start reaping what you sow.
There is actually or at least there used to be. You do sort of need a car, most taxi drivers will just take you to an apartment. The scene used to be centered past Victory Square heading out from the center and around the McDs past the bridge that the Boat used to be at. It's been about 5 or 6 years since I've witnessed it first hand, so my information might be more than a bit dated.
There is no information about that scene here because 95% of the people using this board for real information and actually go to Kiev don't make it past Buddha Bar, D'Lux, Shooters, etc. Not to say there is anything outstanding about the street walker scene. From what I witnessed one in twenty or so girls where 5's and above. I don't know if the internet killed the street walker scene in Kiev like it has in most of the Western world. Long departed ISG member Travel Male also took me on a brief tour of the street walker scene in Kharkov in 2006.
There is no real "streetwalker" scene in Kiev which would explain the lack of feedback.
Just a note, it's like that in any major city I ever lived in including Boston, Manhattan, Marbella, Miami, Geneva and of course, Dubai.
If you really want to understand prostitution in Kiev, read and understand the above paragraphs. The first layer of prostitution that is visible to tourists is only the tip of the iceberg. Prostitution is rampant but yet at the same time almost invisible in Kiev. Sponsorship is the core of the real action and not just simple p4p coital encounters.
That is true of most girls. What's up, you guys only get laid in the FSU?
IMO being TOO "genteman" in bed is just as bad as being too rude and selfish. In my experience, Slavic women like sex a bit rough and dirty (with the right dose of sensuality at the right moments).
I guess the girls weren't too smart, if they had pleaded that they were being trafficed they would have been given green cards and eventual citizenship.
These types of scams have been going on for a long long time, long before Lativa came out from the Curtain.
Off topic, but I always wondered if these kind of scams happened in Kiev. According to the article, the scam originated in Latvia.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2013/01/18/south-beach-girl-scammer-gets-years-prison/zhXVP0piUTg9heQd7HXtzM/story.html
MertBlade88
01-18-13, 21:29
Is this website reliable?
http://escort-models.com/
PedroToronja
01-18-13, 23:21
I have had the same experience as well.
If you treat UA women with respect, attention, good foreplay, good longtime sex and relaxation after sex, you will have your personal sexmachine or sexmaniac.
In basic, be a gentleman!
Happy mongering!
Rune J.Fully agree, you completed my description of these wonderful creatures. DATY while fingering them way in, curved up as in 'come here' almost guarantees hitting their G spot and making them squirt over your face (which I love!) , and you become God to them. Once they discover that they can cum 10+ times, they belong to you. You wanting to keep the same girl over and over. Well, that is your decision, I am a ****, I like variety. You see nice restaurants with just guys at the tables: they don't invite their women, they don't have to. The competition for men in UA is ferocious so they don't give a dam. When we treat them well, they do in fact fall in love. I know because among other things, they give you their asses, which I adore. Way to go Rune, we may have been educated by the same girls!
PedroToronja
01-18-13, 23:27
Hi Pedro,
Is she from the agency that you mentioned before?
Did you finally fuck a girl from agency?
Good luck.
Another girl, actually a model, after I kissed her in her beautiful lips for some 15 minutes before going for the tits and make my way to paradise, she confessed that she never kissed that long before.I found that one in seekingarrangement. Com. I did not go for the models of the agency yet for two reasons: my gf in UA knows that I like to go hunting, so she sucks and fucks me dry: I go with the best intentions to try other girls but she takes that energy away from me (and the motivation). If no horny, $1, 000+ sounds like a lot of money. I know I HAVE to call that agency and try, but 50% of the motivation is need to fuck, and this girl takes that away, so $1, 000 while horny turn into $2, 000 after cuming. Just basic math. Since I am an eternal romantic, I plan on going for it THIS time in February. If I do, I will share the results here, promise.
Just for the record, SOME uzbek women do have asian features, but not the majority of them. The variety of the women in Tashkent is incredibly diverse and IMO unparalleled. There is an abundance of Slavs (during Soviet era, and particularly during WW2, there has been massive forced relocations to Uzbekistan from West Russia and Poland, about 1, 2 million people) , Persians, Caucasians (notably Chechens and Avars) , Tatars, Koreans (also relocated to Uz by Stalin from Far East Russia) , Central asians, Turks, and just about everything in between. The ethnicities and the mixtures in Uzbekistan are truly exotic, and Uzbekistan definitely can't be categorized as an "asian" country.Yes, that is what I have read (some from you). I was more referring to it from the perspective of being "in Asia."
IMO being TOO "genteman" in bed is just as bad as being too rude and selfish. In my experience, Slavic women like sex a bit rough and dirty (with the right dose of sensuality at the right moments).A real gentleman "reads" the woman and situation, adjusts his approach and actions accordingly. You must not be like these UA men that don't care for their women. Treat the women good, give them some attention and affection. The reward will be just as pleasant.
Of course you can get rough and dirty, but IMO it is her that must decide this, not you.
Our basic task is to have so much sex as possible with these sexually-starved women and satisfy their basic needs, both sexually and financially.
Happy hunting in 2013!
Rune J.
Fully agree, you completed my description of these wonderful creatures. DATY while fingering them way in, curved up as in 'come here' almost guarantees hitting their G spot and making them squirt over your face (which I love!) , and you become God to them. Once they discover that they can cum 10+ times, they belong to you. You wanting to keep the same girl over and over. Well, that is your decision, I am a ****, I like variety. You see nice restaurants with just guys at the tables: they don't invite their women, they don't have to. The competition for men in UA is ferocious so they don't give a dam. When we treat them well, they do in fact fall in love. I know because among other things, they give you their asses, which I adore. Way to go Rune, we may have been educated by the same girls!Thank you PedroToronja!
I think we are the same when it comes to be an "gentleman" and thinking / approach towards UA women. I have only been with a few women in UA, but if things start to escalate like they have so far, it will be better years to come.
I don't want to be insult anybody, but UA boys (not men) don't realize what kind of "sexmachines / sexmaniacs" their women are. If they only would give their women a good time in bed, they would understand them. Unfortunatly, but fortunatly for us from the west, they don't know how to do this. It takes more then a few minutes of sex to turn a woman into a sexmachine.
Maybe we could meet for a beer or drink sometime and exchange some info.
Happy hunting in 2013!
Rune J.
A real gentleman "reads" the woman and situation, adjusts his approach and actions accordingly. You must not be like these UA men that don't care for their women. Treat the women good, give them some attention and affection. The reward will be just as pleasant.
Of course you can get rough and dirty, but IMO it is her that must decide this, not you.
Our basic task is to have so much sex as possible with these sexually-starved women and satisfy their basic needs, both sexually and financially.Ok, ok, so you want a little pillow talk after sex, you want to be a gentleman, you want to let her decide, ect ect. Well how quaint. Excuse me while I blow chunks. Your childish and lyric little ode is cute, and I understand that all that is new for you (and I respect your refreshing enthousiasm) , but let me tell you something. Being perceived as mischevious / bad / unpredicatable / exciting is MUCH more advantageous than to be perceived as a predictable and boring "Mr Nice Guy". And about "UA men" as you put it, there is aspects of the slav game that the slavic female is groomed to like and most importantly RESPECT, like being manly, direct, uncompromising and even cruel sometimes (by our standards). Of course you need to combine it with the qualities like humour, intelligence, culture, sentimentality and sensitivity at the right moments, ect, but adopting some of the local playing rules is GREAT for your game.
And when it comes to relationship, the dirty little secret of this part of the world is that you can have some little cute adventures with Russian women without acting like a (nice) brute, but she will never really respect you if you don't. Those women want to be dominated. They like wild action. They want that a man call the shots. They want to be played with. Then you can act like an sleazy ass, be drunk and whatever, but still will take what's yours (her). And she will love you for it!
If they only would give their women a good time in bed, they would understand them. Unfortunatly, but fortunatly for us from the west, they don't know how to do this. It takes more then a few minutes of sex to turn a woman into a sexmachine.Come on. Local guys are admittedly maybe not very considerate and delicate in bed, but they know their women. Why do you think that in FSU a lot of fucking goes on in building's stairs (beside the fact that many local guys their own flat) or that club's bathroom bangs are a must (WHAT, you have been in a club with your girl and you have not dragged her by the belt to fuck her in the toilets?). It's because Russian (or ukrainian for that matter) girls simply won't understand that her man has no desire to pull up her dress, bend her over, and take her from behind standing up in the stairs or the toilets for a quick bonk.
I remember a girl at a club in Chisinau who came to talk to me at the bar and who later confessed that she tought I was gay simply because we talked for ten minutes before I grabbed her by the neck to frenchkiss her. She found this too long. Way too long. That is how those women are. Wild. And for a fun and hot adventure, they prefer similarly wild guys to undecided and delicate "gentlemen".
if they only would give their women a good time in bed, they would understand them. unfortunatly, but fortunatly for us from the west, they don't know how to do this. it takes more then a few minutes of sex to turn a woman into a sexmachine.come on. local guys are admittedly maybe not very considerate and delicate in bed, but they know their women. why do you think that in fsu a lot of fucking goes on in building's stairs (beside the fact that many local guys don't have their own flat) or that club's bathroom bangs are a must (what, you have been in a club with your girl and you have not dragged her by the belt to fuck her in the toilets? in russia that is limit unpatriotic). it's because russian (or ukrainian for that matter) girls simply won't understand that her man has no desire to pull up her dress, bend her over, and take her from behind standing up in the stairs or the toilets for a quick bonk.
i remember a girl at a club in chisinau who came to talk to me at the bar and who later confessed that she tought i was gay simply because we talked for ten minutes before i grabbed her by the neck to frenchkiss her. she found this too long. way too long. that is how those women are. wild. and for a fun and hot adventure, they prefer similarly wild guys to undecided and delicate "gentlemen". if you act like a mr nice guy or like a delicate therapeutic assistant, they might want to be with you for the emotional security or whatever, but they won't really understand nor respect your behavior, and you will definitely nor be the kind of guy with who they'd want want a hot and fast fling with.
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All of their Apartments are in one complex with 24 / h reception. This is more than a plus point for me, if I opt for an Apartment on a longer stay in Kiev.
There is actually or at least there used to be. You do sort of need a car, most taxi drivers will just take you to an apartment. The scene used to be centered past Victory Square heading out from the center and around the McDs past the bridge that the Boat used to be at. It's been about 5 or 6 years since I've witnessed it first hand, so my information might be more than a bit dated.
There is no information about that scene here because 95% of the people using this board for real information and actually go to Kiev don't make it past Buddha Bar, D'Lux, Shooters, etc. Not to say there is anything outstanding about the street walker scene. From what I witnessed one in twenty or so girls where 5's and above. I don't know if the internet killed the street walker scene in Kiev like it has in most of the Western world. Long departed ISG member Travel Male also took me on a brief tour of the street walker scene in Kharkov in 2006.Where you went to is still an active site. There are two locations right by each of the last two metro stops on the Left Bank line, namely Chernigovska and Lesnaya. It is strictly low class, very cheap talent that inhabits the area near the overpass / underpass along the main road, Brovarsky Prospect. This really is strictly for locals since this is a car pickup trade and then they ride off to find a quiet location to do the deed and then return the girl to the original spot. Mostly BJs.
However, chances are excellent that none of these girls will speak anything but Ukrainian or Russian. They are not ones anyone from this forum would really want to touch, lots of alcoholic and drug types. Unless you are local, it is not safe (most especially if police are about) , you need a car and you need to speak the language and know your way around. This low-rent sex exists but only for the locals.
AColonizer
01-19-13, 15:59
You don't realize Ukrainian women are sex machines because their men treat them as shit, and Western women are shit because their men treat them as goddess. I never met a woman who stays with me because I am a gentleman, everywhere. I think your reports are the usual mental masturbations that I am reading for years and years.
There was a point in my present relationship in which my fuckfriend were arguing with me about the usual feminine non-sense, and I was worried about the usual break, and I replied her "I know exactly Russian men treat Russian women in Russia, I know Russian men never pay anything to Russian women, I know Russian women make everything for pleasing to their men, and even they sometimes pay their men to stay with." and she became a kitty until now. You should understand, she behave in that way because I said the truth that "put her shoulders against a wall".
And it is really sad to read those reports again and again: the explanation is your fuckfriends want to fuck you for some logic reasons but different from gentleman style, it is sure!
Borubudun11
01-19-13, 22:04
Do night clubs allow to enter just as "man" or I need to bring a girl with me. I am going to Kiev in a week I read most 40-50 pages but I didn't see this information afaik not sure.
Thanks to everyone for their help in the past posts.
Prosal and Uke Boy +1.
Uke, posters will still complain that 'no one posted any information about the street walker scene'. You pretty much laid it all out as you have in the past. Some of the lazy f's on this website want 'Getting Laid for Dummies' with pictures.
Everyone else. -1.
B11, only if you are going to a swingers club. Have you ever been to a nightclub before in your life? Face control likes pretty girls because they bring in the men with money.
Prosal and Uke Boy +1.
Uke, posters will still complain that 'no one posted any information about the street walker scene'.Fuck off Cruiser D ;)
Seriously, I think the posts here recently have been the most interesting in a while. Will they help the casual visitor? Probably not. Will they help the potential hunter? Most decidedly yes.
UA is obviously a completely different world than the mongering destinations I have gone to. I have fucked girls in many places in the world. I am looking forward to this challenge.
That said, I am currently talking with a 31 year old MILF. I had not planned to go that old, but she looks great. She asked me what I wanted. I told her I wanted to have fun. She told me she wanted a husband. I told her to take it or leave it. She now tells me she wants to have fun.
Bad boys win all over the world. The key really is confidence-to decide when to play the nice card and when to be the bad boy. It takes practice. I have only recently started to get better at it (last few years).
Bad boys win all over the world. The key really is confidence-to decide when to play the nice card and when to be the bad boy. It takes practice. I have only recently started to get better at it (last few years).Right on. What definitely scores big time is to be able to go from bad boy to sentimental in a heartbeat. Switching gears goes a long way with slavic women, both in conversation, flirting and in bed. Keeps them guessing. It's so self-evident that it's like autopilot for me.
All this "gentleman" BS below is just nonsense. Be bad, but don't be rude. Rude they don't like, but they do like games.
BTW Rune J, you should learn that anything that a woman (ANY woman) says must been taken with an grain of salt. The same ukrainian girl who will explain you how uninteresting and dull are the local men and how brilliant you are, will maybe, two days after your departure, have a quick bonk standing up in the stairs of her building with Dimitri or Sergei. Hmm. It is so obvious that I don't even know why I bother to explain it.
Is this website reliable?
http://escort-models.com/In Mamba I am reeiving messages from girls with this web site. Who has updated I formation if reliable And girls quality? Mabe is this intim a Mamba competition?
In Mamba I am reeiving messages from girls with this web site. Who has updated I formation if reliable And girls quality? Mabe is this intim a Mamba competition?They probably are the owners of the agency rather than the girls. Some of the pics from that site I could not find but some of the pics are of well known porn "actresses."
For example the pictures of Anzhelka are actually: http://www.ftvangels.com/models/larysa.html
Clearly fake pictures. Maybe some are real? Personally, I am all for paying for sex but I am not going to pay for a BJ with a condom.
Global Surfer
01-21-13, 01:17
Do night clubs allow to enter just as "man" or I need to bring a girl with me. I am going to Kiev in a week I read most 40-50 pages but I didn't see this information afaik not sure.
Thanks to everyone for their help in the past posts.Most bars mentioned in this forum are for mongering purpose or put other way glorified brothels. There is no point in asking you to bring a girl in a pickup joint. There are a few bars mentioned here who have substantial civilian population but again no one ever stopped me.
PedroToronja
01-21-13, 17:07
Thank you PedroToronja!
I think we are the same when it comes to be an "gentleman" and thinking / approach towards UA women. I have only been with a few women in UA, but if things start to escalate like they have so far, it will be better years to come.
I don't want to be insult anybody, but UA boys (not men) don't realize what kind of "sexmachines / sexmaniacs" their women are. If they only would give their women a good time in bed, they would understand them. Unfortunatly, but fortunatly for us from the west, they don't know how to do this. It takes more then a few minutes of sex to turn a woman into a sexmachine.
Maybe we could meet for a beer or drink sometime and exchange some info.
Happy hunting in 2013!
Rune J.My next stop in Kiev is from Feb 17, for 2 weeks. Will you be there?
PedroToronja
01-21-13, 17:15
Ok, ok, so you want a little pillow talk after sex, you want to be a gentleman, you want to let her decide, ect ect. Well how quaint. Excuse me while I blow chunks. Your childish and lyric little ode is cute, and I understand that all that is new for you (and I respect your refreshing enthousiasm) , but let me tell you something. Being perceived as mischevious / bad / unpredicatable / exciting is MUCH more advantageous than to be perceived as a predictable and boring "Mr Nice Guy". And about "UA men" as you put it, there is aspects of the slav game that the slavic female is groomed to like and most importantly RESPECT, like being manly, direct, uncompromising and even cruel sometimes (by our standards). Of course you need to combine it with the qualities like humour, intelligence, culture, sentimentality and sensitivity at the right moments, ect, but adopting some of the local playing rules is GREAT for your game.
And when it comes to relationship, the dirty little secret of this part of the world is that you can have some little cute adventures with Russian women without acting like a (nice) brute, but she will never really respect you if you don't. Those women want to be dominated. They like wild action. They want that a man call the shots. They want to be played with. Then you can act like an sleazy ass, be drunk and whatever, but still will take what's yours (her). And she will love you for it!There is a reason why restaurant have menus: we (and them ladies) not all like the same. Your game depends a lot of what you want to get out of it, what kind of girl you are attracted to, and more importantly (the 'enemy' also has a vote) , what the girl likes. There are all kinds. One size does not fit all and whatever works for you Prosal, at your current age and in the grounds you hunt, may not work for others, at different age, different strenghts (looks, money) and ways. We don't have to debate this, we are probably all right. I tend to agree with my buddy Rune though, and after 6 years and 40+ visits and many relationships with the female kind (professional, work related, one-nighters, sponsoring, bg / gf, etc.) IMHO he and I are mostly right.
PedroToronja
01-21-13, 18:12
Right on. What definitely scores big time is to be able to go from bad boy to sentimental in a heartbeat. Switching gears goes a long way with slavic women, both in conversation, flirting and in bed. Keeps them guessing. It's so self-evident that it's like autopilot for me.
All this "gentleman" BS below is just nonsense. Be bad, but don't be rude. Rude they don't like, but they do like games.
BTW Rune J, you should learn that anything that a woman (ANY woman) says must been taken with an grain of salt. The same ukrainian girl who will explain you how uninteresting and dull are the local men and how brilliant you are, will maybe, two days after your departure, have a quick bonk standing up in the stairs of her building with Dimitri or Sergei. Hmm. It is so obvious that I don't even know why I bother to explain it.Leonardo Di Caprio at 21 can probably get away with anything, say anything, be bad or nice, money or no money will always get pussy anywhere. From there to, lets say. Me, there is a huge distance; and then there is everything in between. So regarding what works or not, it is hard to set a rule. And the best battle plan become worthless at the sound of the first shot: the enemy has a vote too: a lot depends on your target.
We can though describe what is commonplace in those lands: men suck, women are not happy with them. I know of many UA a girls who refuse outright to date Russian / ukrainian men: they grew frustrated with them and they won't put up with the abuse. By acting like them, most of us are probably getting the same results those guys get: some (probably the best) girls will simply not date / fuck us. There is a huge difference, generally speaking, between men and women in the Slavic world: men suck, women are adorable, better educated, nice, take care of themselves, less drunken and better workers. Those women do not put up with rude, inconsiderate men of any nationality.
I know well, as friends and employees, many educated girls in UA (I don't mix my business with my mongering) and I know them for many years. They simply don't go for the 'bad' guy you describe. Sure, some don't date for years, but many are married to good guys that treat them nicely, because even there some are lucky enough to find real nice guys (minority, but they exists).
we can though describe what is commonplace in those lands: men suck, women are not happy with them.well, that is imo pretty much a stereotype. many, many russian girls (but i agree that it is maybe less true for ukrainian girls) date in their peer group, sharing the same culture, ect. moscow or saint peterburg's trendy clubs are full of stylish and good looking local guys with obviously great game, and obviously very successful with girls. i think that most of the girls / women who complain about how dull and rude the local guys are, in the whole, simply girls / women of a level (not pretty enough, too old, ect) that doesn't interest the "top" male population.
also, to say that all the locals are loutish and rude drunk flatheads unable to woo or satisfy a women (with the underlying allusion that you are exactly the contrary) is showing a lot of self-grandiosity imo.
Leonardo Di Caprio at 21 can probably get away with anything, say anything, be bad or nice, money or no money will always get pussy anywhere. From there to, lets say. Me, there is a huge distance; and then there is everything in between. So regarding what works or not, it is hard to set a rule. And the best battle plan become worthless at the sound of the first shot: the enemy has a vote too: a lot depends on your target.
We can though describe what is commonplace in those lands: men suck, women are not happy with them. I know of many UA a girls who refuse outright to date Russian / ukrainian men: they grew frustrated with them and they won't put up with the abuse. By acting like them, most of us are probably getting the same results those guys get: some (probably the best) girls will simply not date / fuck us. There is a huge difference, generally speaking, between men and women in the Slavic world: men suck, women are adorable, better educated, nice, take care of themselves, less drunken and better workers. Those women do not put up with rude, inconsiderate men of any nationality.
I know well, as friends and employees, many educated girls in UA (I don't mix my business with my mongering) and I know them for many years. They simply don't go for the 'bad' guy you describe. Sure, some don't date for years, but many are married to good guys that treat them nicely, because even there some are lucky enough to find real nice guys (minority, but they exists).I agree with you Pedro. But I think that women all over the world like the "bad boy." They may not want to marry them, or even have a relationship with them, but they want them in their bed-or they think they do. I don't think Prosal is recommending you act like a UA schmuck, but spontaneous, rough, and dominating is not treating them poorly. It also seems to me that women want what is challenging. If you fawn over them, they become less interested. A big part of this is obviously confidence. Personally, I cannot pull "bad boy" off completely. It sounds as if you don't think you can either. But it does sound like you can do the confidence thing. It is basically the same. We just manifest it in a different way.
I am sure the women that work for you would love to fuck you. You are the boss and you apparently are not interested in them. It must drive them crazy. That is one of the fundamentals of the game-be confident and disinterested.
I agree with you Pedro. But I think that women all over the world like the "bad boy." They may not want to marry them, or even have a relationship with them, but they want them in their bed-or they think they do. I don't think Prosal is recommending you act like a UA schmuck, but spontaneous, rough, and dominating is not treating them poorly. It also seems to me that women want what is challenging. If you fawn over them, they become less interested. A big part of this is obviously confidence. Personally, I cannot pull "bad boy" off completely. It sounds as if you don't think you can either. But it does sound like you can do the confidence thing. It is basically the same. We just manifest it in a different way.I think the days of "bad boy" attitude has past for most of us on this thread. However, confidence is a universal winner.
It also seems to me that women want what is challenging. If you fawn over them, they become less interested.Right on the money. Being a girl's one trick pony gets you nowhere in the dating game. Girls like to be chased, but only to a degree (and especially the better-looking who are used to get hitted 20 times a day). They also like to chase a bit too. Don't make it to easy on them, they lose interest if you are too interested. When you don't answer SMSs immediately and dutifully, when you don't desperately pursue dates, when you don't overdote, when you are mischevious and uncompromising, ect, it sparks their interest. Best is to allow the girl to be the "demanding party", and give her the flattering impression that she is somehow special and SHE scored a player.
Anyway, everybody has their own methods and behaviors, and I am happiest and most successful sticking to mine.
I think the days of "bad boy" attitude has past for most of us on this thread. However, confidence is a universal winner.Agreed. If I only knew 20 years ago what I know now.
Agreed. If I only knew 20 years ago what I know now.Being aware that you have to change your frame of mind when dealing with Slavic women is beneficial, whatever your age.
If by bad, you mean you have no game, probably.
31 year old MILF.
Bad boy
Umm, as it applies to the Kiev forum, no.
There hasn't been a 100% working girl environment in Kiev since River Palace set sail.
On the other hand.
As a foreigner with no Russian language skills, when you talk to a girl in a nightclub in Kiev she will say one of two things."I am a prostitute" or "I am not a prostitute". YMMV.
Most bars mentioned in this forum are for mongering purpose or put other way glorified brothels. There is no point in asking you to bring a girl in a pickup joint. There are a few bars mentioned here who have substantial civilian population but again no one ever stopped me.
No, not really.
IMHO he and I are mostly right.As you pointed out, different people like different things.
I will be in Kiev for about 40 days. In that time I will date around 100 different new girls, have sex with about 30 or them while maintaining my carde of 8-10 core girls.
In your 40 trips to Kiev have you dated 100 girls? Probably not.
Are you an expert when it comes to what works for you, of course. Ukrainian or Kiev girls, no, not at all.
If by bad, you mean you have no game, probably.Thanks Cruiser D, for proving you are an ass. An attention ***** that comes on a hooker board to make himself feel good by insulting others that have not yet developed the finer skills of picking up hookers in the UA. I'm impressed. I was in Stuttgart in September and fucked 30+ hookers in a month, too. Apparently Kiev is just another kind of brothel with a slightly less obvious game. But you are still just fucking hookers.
As you pointed out, different people like different things. Are you an expert when it comes to what works for you, of course.I have been here forever, or so it seems although my recent adventures in the Middle East and elsewhere have also not gone unfulfilled.
100 girls? No sweat. I have never even counted the numbers over the last 15 years or so. Why bother? Lots of great memories and plenty more in the flesh today and tomorrow who are unknowingly waiting in the wings. I am only an expert in my own specific zone of experience.
What has been the case, be it a village girl or a friend of a friend or the latest paid adventure from Mamba is that I have done things as I have seen fit and always in my comfort zone. Have I always succeeded? No. But more often than not, I have ended up very happy, be it here or anywhere else I may have been. The methodology has sometimes changed yet the results have always been fruitful. No regrets at all.
Attitude is everything and most important rule of all here is that whoever you miss out on today is no loss at all. Another will always take her place faster and sooner than you can expect it to happen. If you feel defeated by the first few unsuccessful tries here, then head on home as fast as you can since you have no game. Or, become one of those utter losers who can only connect in seedy third-rate strip clubs that are only for those incompetents who can only grasp the lowest hanging fruit, at best.
The riches here are only those for those who are singularly capable of understanding and grasping them boldly and confidently as they come along.
I am all for people doing what makes them happy and / or staying in their comfort zones.
What annoys me is when this forum becomes a delsional wanker fest with the kings of Kiev going on and on and on about the one or two average or below girls they bagged (and sadly post photos to back it up). Reminds me of the time when I was at River Palace and some kid in the candy store American imparted the sage like advice to me. Just go up and offer them money, they are all hookers. I replied, really? I just thought they were all very friendly.
I know most of the people here are socially inept but do they have to scream it from the roof tops.
Lunch tomorrow, Uke? It will have to be later in the afternoon. I will be in the blissful cocoon of Irish Lad as I once again chase the perfect buzz in Kiev Klubland while avoiding in the closet gay guys, drunk locals and my frustrated fan club of female semi pros.
PedroToronja
01-23-13, 17:09
No, not really.
As you pointed out, different people like different things.
I will be in Kiev for about 40 days. In that time I will date around 100 different new girls, have sex with about 30 or them while maintaining my carde of 8-10 core girls.
In your 40 trips to Kiev have you dated 100 girls? Probably not.
Are you an expert when it comes to what works for you, of course. Ukrainian or Kiev girls, no, not at all.That is what I meant by IMHO. Very humble BTW. No, I did not date 100 girls in UA, unless you include in 'dating' a one hour WG P2P fuck. Including them, over 100. I tend to stick to the same girl / s for longer and only then I call it dating. To each their style. For sure self-confidence is a winner. I don't score a 10 on that department.
PedroToronja
01-23-13, 17:17
Umm, as it applies to the Kiev forum, no.
There hasn't been a 100% working girl environment in Kiev since River Palace set sail.
On the other hand.
As a foreigner with no Russian language skills, when you talk to a girl in a nightclub in Kiev she will say one of two things."I am a prostitute" or "I am not a prostitute". YMMV.In UA today you have the girls 'in the middle', those that will accept a sponsor or simply be very attracted to a man that fucks them well and / or helps them financially. I dare to guess that most girls 18 to 30 in UA we talk about, are in that big middle. I have the experience of talking with girls in Mamba who upfront told me 'I am not a prostitute' or 'for that you need to find yourself a working girl', and then they did fuck me like crazy.financial consideration was included in one way or the other. Power, Money and the hope of becoming free from such shitty environment: they are all sexy and attractive to a girl. So is not that clear cut. That in my experience. And those are the best fucks I had so far: no from cold-bitches-working girls, but from girls that are far less experienced in bed, that it takes some effort to bring to bed and which I treated well. In my opinion, that is where lays the treasure. A working girl is a working girl is a working girl, anywhere in the world, for just about the same money. Fucking 'civilians', non-pros, is the opportunity of UA to us lucky mongers. Girls half (or less) our age, more beautiful than what we used to fuck when we were their ages. That is Nirvana in my book!
YellowPaul
01-23-13, 18:16
Does anybody have experiences with this Mamba girl in this picture? Here Mamba profile just got deleted. I got her and her friend for $100US each for 3 hours and they promising a a good girl on girl experience. Just wanted to see if anybody tried them.
Any suggestions on where to get dress clothes like shirts, slacks, and suits cleaned and pressed in the center?
Which airline companies fly into Kiev from the UK.
Was think of booking a return flight from somewhere like manchester and wanted to know where or whom to book with
And get a good deal.
Thanks,
James02
Any suggestions on where to get dress and pressed in the center?There is a dry cleaner at Arena Citi on the parking garage entrance side, it's between the two entrances / exits
A working girl is a working girl is a working girl, anywhere in the world, for just about the same money. Fucking non-pros, is the opportunity of UA to us lucky mongers. Girls half (or less) our age, more beautiful than what we used to fuck when we were their ages. That is Nirvana in my book!Actually there are quite a few girls like that in your home country, you just don't realize it or have experienced it. It's just a little more socially acceptable in the FSU that a 50+ is banging a 20+ in an obvious quid pro quo situation.
When I was their age. Half 'our' age I was still fucking super hotties, which probably explain my jaded attitude. As the Ukrainians like to say, for me it's just normal. In the US I rarely date a girl out of her 20's. In Ukraine it's just ridiculous.
I've been chatting with her on and off. Can't quite bring myself to pull the trigger, she's just not quite enough to make it on the Cruiser D Thrill Ride.
Does anybody have experiences with this Mamba girl in this picture? Here Mamba profile just got deleted. I got her and her friend for $100US each for 3 hours and they promising a a good girl on girl experience. Just wanted to see if anybody tried them.
Pin a 100e note to one lapel and a $100 bill to the other lapel, you'll do A-OK.
ass. picking up hookers in the UA. I'm impressed. slightly less game. But you are still just hookers.
Member #4491
01-24-13, 19:18
Barba needs some advice. Just back from a good and short trip to UA. Spent most days playing the couples game with a "girlfriend" student in Kharkov but got a night in Kiev and two fucklets visiting as well. Things are going more smoothly for every visit, and now even Pinay student style early morning visits is on the menu with some girls that realized Barba is a returning ATM. All in all the quality of both looks, sex and my time is going up.
BUT the little Kharkov fake blond teen I have posted about is illusive, and it is becoming a quest. Irish Lad, you know who I mean. Me and her met once in a park, and I fucked up on a dinner so for a while she was disappointed, but we still communicate. After some days of silence during my stay in Kharkov I asked her if she would see me if I paid her money, and sure enough she asked "meet for what". My answer was some generic let_feamle_keep_her_pride-bullshit and of course "sex". She asked "how much will you give me" and I suggested I would pay her 1000 UAH and she would spend her afternoon in bed with me. Done deal. Sure enough she flaked on me.
I sincerely do not think she is just bullshitting me as many vindictive time waster females will do all around the world, but rather that she is indecisive and at the same time wants to maximize her payoff in the gene pool lottery. We are back to her considering going with me to London (circular discussions) , but she is cautions or even scared, and we need to arrange a passport at some stage. Even if I would love to have a relationship with her (as much as I have that with my current situation) , I am too lazy to play the full scale qualification / relationship-game with her right now, at east for more than a few days. Since here are so many super males and UA super mongers, I need you to step up and give Barba some quick potent advice on what to change in my operation with little Inna. Supermen you all know who you are, so stop bragging and help a brother in distress. Her English sucks and I probably showed her a little bit too much of how much I would love to spread her slim teenage legs, but at the same time she developed some confidence in Barba over the passed months, and we are having a good time when we chat.
B.
Went to DLux Club expecting to maybe run into some non-pros or pros for an overnight. It was a typical dance club but really nice set up. I only thought 2 girls were definitely there for paid sex. Then when I wanted to ask them, they had disappeared. I danced with one or two hot chicks who gave me good non-verbal signals but the noise from the music was so loud, I couldn't even ask a question. Seemed hard for me to find a situation where I could ask a chick to spend the night with me. And I didn't want to get slapped asking the wrong girl so I went home empty handed. Taxi driver took me to Gold's Strip club which was a rip off and I was the only customer there. Seems like most strip clubs are empty there. At least the ones I went to. Another taxi driver, took me to a private house with 4 girls who I picked one and took her back to the hotel for a session. Cost was 100 UAH.
Seemed hard for me to find a situation where I could ask a chick to spend the night with me. And I didn't want to get slapped asking the wrong girl so I went home empty handed.If she's a prostitute, she will let you know immediately. They have no interest in idle chat. At D'lux, working prostitutes rarely dance.
The interesting thing about D'Lux is that a quarter of the girls are sponsored quasi prostitutes, but they will not let you know that, and do not actively troll the club for customers.
Borubudun11
01-24-13, 21:38
Cost was 100 UAH.Is this just taxi driver took, right? Or you wanted to write 1000 UAH?
Went to DLux Club . one or two hot chicks who gave me good non-verbal signals but the noise from the music was so loud, I couldn't even ask a question. Seemed hard for me to find a situation where I could ask a chick to spend the night with me. And I didn't want to get slapped asking the wrong girl. Cost was 100 UAH.At least you did not go out empty-handed, but you were obviously disappointed at D'Lux, but this is sometimes our lot. If I cannot communicate (I speak no Russian) its my advice to use sign language and invite them a drink. Their girlfriend also. It shows them you are into them, if they accept they are into you too. I was at Buddha Bar two days ago and first bought a nice blond girl a whiskey (she wanted the same as I was drinking, a common signal of acceptance) , she spoke fluent English and soon wanted to reel me in with prospect of a fitting present. I told her I wanted to meet some people and soon invited a girl at the bar a drink, she wanted only cola, but her girlfriend was there soon too, and asked for wine. Mea culpa, I did not ask for the price, but it was way too much, maybe 150UAH. After some chat I went to talk to some guys. Better to show girls some indifference. But the girls disappeared and I thought maybe I had lost them. There were other girls there I tried to hit on, but without much result. I went down to have some food, and, surprise, the two girls from the bar sit there with the third, a little older. They invited me to sit with them and we had some snack food, the third girl was an obvious WG and spoke openly about accompanying me, but I told her she had had too much to drink and should go to sleep. The others were only 19 and were willing to share a taxi, and on the way we negotiated a price of 100 eu for each. I would not say they rose to expectations, but at least I got to choose my girls from looks and ability to communicate, plus have the adrenalin flowing a bit while looking and waiting for to see if they will accept. Too bad that all the good chemistry melted away in the sheets. But. If you are still in Kiev you should try some of the bars and discos that have been discussed here time and again, with endless advice on how to pull, charm, have game, etc. Etc, don't be discouraged, just think, act, and take over the girl. Refusal is not end of the world. BTW, I have never seen girl slap a man in the face in real life. And your damage, isn't this a typo for something bigger?
If she's a prostitute, she will let you know immediately. They have no interest in idle chat. At D'lux, working prostitutes rarely dance.Right, all you have to do is stand at the bar (without getting terribly drunk) and look terribly generous!
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