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03-13-13, 18:51
Honestly, I do feel like typing RTFF sometimes when I see a newbie asking a question in such manner as it's obvious he's making no effort in that direction. Then often enough I ask myself why I even need to post an RTFF message, and simply remain silent. But this fellow did PM me and looking at his detailed questions and his mistakes in trying to get results I felt he was a guy that deserved a good response and some guidance. Look at his post below, and give some of your mamba tips too.At least I am not coming on here writing "Looking for young escort girl in Kiev for my trip next week, any advice?" LOL. I am not lazy and I have been reading this forum for about 3 months now and have read back many pages (I think reading back too far is not good since things change with time). I know some of the same things will be repeated on this forum and the same questions will be asked, but that is because we are all here looking for the same thing! I think it is great to have continuing discussions about Mamba and I would love it if even more people wrote about their experiences. I know I will once all is said and done!
At least I am not coming on here writing "Looking for young escort girl in Kiev for my trip next week, any advice?" LOL. I am not lazy and I have been reading this forum for about 3 months now and have read back many pages (I think reading back too far is not good since things change with time). I know some of the same things will be repeated on this forum and the same questions will be asked, but that is because we are all here looking for the same thing! I think it is great to have continuing discussions about Mamba and I would love it if even more people wrote about their experiences. I know I will once all is said and done!If you haven't been to Kiev or ukraine you must make sure you have a good guide. Again I'm recommending the one I had alex. I'm so use to signs in english. All the signs in ukraine are in cyrillic! I don't know how I could have made it around without one! The girls I found on the internet I showed to my guide alex he sceened them all. He called them and interrogated them to make sure I wasnt going to get cheated. He found me a nice apartment right off of kreschatik. I'm sure there are many people who can show you around but I can't recommend him enough. I've used him twice. I'm hoping to go back again this summer. Check him out in the classifieds.
If you haven't been to Kiev or ukraine you must make sure you have a good guide. Again I'm recommending the one I had alex. I'm so use to signs in english. All the signs in ukraine are in cyrillic! I don't know how I could have made it around without one! The girls I found on the internet I showed to my guide alex he sceened them all. He called them and interrogated them to make sure I wasnt going to get cheated. He found me a nice apartment right off of kreschatik. I'm sure there are many people who can show you around but I can't recommend him enough. I've used him twice. I'm hoping to go back again this summer. Check him out in the classifieds.A guide is a completely unnecessary expense to persons of basic intelligence who can read all the good info contained dispersed throughout the last two years of this thread, and also the info referred to in the Reports of Distinction thread for Kiev.
Only someone that is unwilling to invest the necessary effort in preparing themselves properly for a visit to Kiev, or who simply does not have the time to do so, should contemplate the wasteful step of spending money on a guide.
Be assured that most men of basic intelligence are capable of doing this visit to Kiev without paying for guides, and have been doing so successfully as described throughout this thread.
For example, an intelligent traveller would have become aware that they speak a different language than English in Kiev, and from reading travel sources, or believe it or not from reading this thread, that the street signs were in that language. Therefore, an intelligent man would conclude that in order to function in Kiev, he had better fucking learn the Cyrillic alphabet at least sufficiently to be able to recognize and read street signs, if he expects to leave his apartment or hotel in that city to go somewhere, and be able to expect he will not get lost, and can find his way back.
So, yes, an intelligent traveler makes it his business to get a copy of the Cyrillic alphabet off the Internet and study up on how to read it. We're not talking about becoming fluent in the language here. But just being able to recognize the letters sufficient to slowly read the words and be able to recognize street names, or types of signs one might see over various types of establishments, so that you can know which is a restaurant and which is a pharmacy. This is not rocket science. It is simple respect for the job at hand and the tools necessary for successful completion. Is there a reason why a traveler would go to a country by himself while not knowing how to read the signs there? Only lack of desire to put in the effort, or lack of time to do so could explain that level of unpreparedness for visiting a foreign location. So for such people the answer is. To pay. To pay a guide for what others are doing for themselves.
I remember when I first heard about the FKK's in Germany, and I started reading this forum. And I read about FKK tours one could take that you had to pay a lot for, but they would take you to the "best" FKK clubs. Since I read a little and saw there was diverse opinion on it, and I didn't know which were the best ones to visit, I thought isn't that cool? I can pay a tour company to take me around and show me. But it cost quite a bit. Maybe it's worth it, I asked myself. I don't know how to get around in Germany. I don't know which road to take, which train to take, which bus to take. Hell, I don't know the address of the place I want to go to. But then I continued reading the threads, and the information was all there. Which clubs, their addresses, which trains, exactly how to go, where to go, and what to do when I got there, and how much it should cost, and how to negotiate, and what to watch out for etc, etc. It was all there in the threads on the FKK's. So I junked the idea of paying for a guide to show me the FKK's, and rang the fucking doorbells myself. It was an adventure, but it was one I was prepared for well by my fellow members on ISG who had shared their info and insights on this forum.
And so it was in Kiev.
So I say, if you are coming to Kiev to monger, only consider a guide, if you are unwilling to prepare for your trip yourself, or you lack the time to do so. Or perhaps if you have specialized non-mongering needs, such as when you are coming to Kiev for business.
IMHO.
LJ
So, yes, an intelligent traveler makes it his business to get a copy of the Cyrillic alphabet off the Internet and study up on how to read it. We're not talking about becoming fluent in the language here. But just being able to recognize the letters sufficient to slowly read the words and be able to recognize street names, or types of signs one might see over various types of establishments, so that you can know which is a restaurant and which is a pharmacy. This is not rocket science.This is the most usefull advice one can give. Understanding the alphabet is vital to move around. Here is a great page to learn it: (place your cursor over each letter to listen to the alphabet as it's spoken)
http://www.languageguide.org/russian/alphabet/
Learn it by both writing and speaking it (writing solidifies the visual comprehension). Do it for 30 minutes a day for three weeks and you will have learned it permanently. A tip, make excercises by writing girls names (Tatiana, Irina, Masha, ect) or cities names (Vladivostok, Volgograd, Novokuznestk, ect) in cyrillic. It's easy, fun and efficient.
BTW printed letters and cursive letters are slightly different. This other page helps with how to make (and be able to read) those cursive letters:
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/LRC/RU_writing/index.htm#
Just go to the clubs and use mamba. Mamba will hook you up with the salons, pro's and semi pro's. Too easy. No need for a guide, unless it's Irish Lad.
So I say, if you are coming to Kiev to monger, only consider a guide, if you are unwilling to prepare for your trip yourself, or you lack the time to do so. Or perhaps if you have specialized non-mongering needs, such as when you are coming to Kiev for business.
IMHO.
LJ
.and rang the fucking doorbells myself. It was an adventure.Exactly! I have not had time to complete my last Kiev post from my series of posts but I saw this and had to comment. Isn't this what life is about?
Here's my advice on getting the most out of Mamba.
Searching freebies?
1. Put your location as Kiev.
2. Put up photos.
3. Write that you live and work in Kiev and looking for friends.
4. Start your campaign 2 weeks before coming to Kiev. Be busy with work then away on business until you arrive.
5. Don't mention sex unless it's P4P or she mentions sponsorship or " looking for a GOOD friend".
6. Book an apartment and know it's address before coming.
7. Know some restaurants and bars too. At least the names of them.
8. If asked about sex, explain it's important but that you are not 17 so don't need sex just to have sex.
P4P?
Ignore everything above from 3-8.
A guide is a completely unnecessary expense to persons of basic intelligence who can read all the good info contained dispersed throughout the last two years of this thread, and also the info referred to in the Reports of Distinction thread for Kiev.
Only someone that is unwilling to invest the necessary effort in preparing themselves properly for a visit to Kiev, or who simply does not have the time to do so, should contemplate the wasteful step of spending money on a guide.
Be assured that most men of basic intelligence are capable of doing this visit to Kiev without paying for guides, and have been doing so successfully as described throughout this thread.
For example, an intelligent traveller would have become aware that they speak a different language than English in Kiev, and from reading travel sources, or believe it or not from reading this thread, that the street signs were in that language. Therefore, an intelligent man would conclude that in order to function in Kiev, he had better fucking learn the Cyrillic alphabet at least sufficiently to be able to recognize and read street signs, if he expects to leave his apartment or hotel in that city to go somewhere, and be able to expect he will not get lost, and can find his way back.
So, yes, an intelligent traveler makes it his business to get a copy of the Cyrillic alphabet off the Internet and study up on how to read it. We're not talking about becoming fluent in the language here. But just being able to recognize the letters sufficient to slowly read the words and be able to recognize street names, or types of signs one might see over various types of establishments, so that you can know which is a restaurant and which is a pharmacy. This is not rocket science. It is simple respect for the job at hand and the tools necessary for successful completion. Is there a reason why a traveler would go to a country by himself while not knowing how to read the signs there? Only lack of desire to put in the effort, or lack of time to do so could explain that level of unpreparedness for visiting a foreign location. So for such people the answer is. To pay. To pay a guide for what others are doing for themselves.
I remember when I first heard about the FKK's in Germany, and I started reading this forum. And I read about FKK tours one could take that you had to pay a lot for, but they would take you to the "best" FKK clubs. Since I read a little and saw there was diverse opinion on it, and I didn't know which were the best ones to visit, I thought isn't that cool? I can pay a tour company to take me around and show me. But it cost quite a bit. Maybe it's worth it, I asked myself. I don't know how to get around in Germany. I don't know which road to take, which train to take, which bus to take. Hell, I don't know the address of the place I want to go to. But then I continued reading the threads, and the information was all there. Which clubs, their addresses, which trains, exactly how to go, where to go, and what to do when I got there, and how much it should cost, and how to negotiate, and what to watch out for etc, etc. It was all there in the threads on the FKK's. So I junked the idea of paying for a guide to show me the FKK's, and rang the fucking doorbells myself. It was an adventure, but it was one I was prepared for well by my fellow members on ISG who had shared their info and insights on this forum.
And so it was in Kiev.
So I say, if you are coming to Kiev to monger, only consider a guide, if you are unwilling to prepare for your trip yourself, or you lack the time to do so. Or perhaps if you have specialized non-mongering needs, such as when you are coming to Kiev for business.
IMHO.
LJI've been to europe 20+ times. For me not speaking any foreign language it wasnt a problem to get around. When I landed in Kiev it was a totally different story. Yes if you are a very intelligent traveller you could possibly make it ok. I have a book on ukraine with many phrases that cover alot of instances. I'm so glad I found the guide I had before I went there. Even the second time having him was a blessing!
I've been to europe 20+ times. For me not speaking any foreign language it wasnt a problem to get around. When I landed in Kiev it was a totally different story. Yes if you are a very intelligent traveller you could possibly make it ok. I have a book on ukraine with many phrases that cover alot of instances. I'm so glad I found the guide I had before I went there. Even the second time having him was a blessing!It's not a problem, USGrant. I recognized you don't mind spending extra for these guide services, since you reported doing it not only on your very first trip, but also on subsequent trips. So you like to be cared for and don't mind paying extra for the convenience. You're entitled to spend your own money as you see fit.
My post was for other people so that they realize that what you did was not a necessity, but rather an extra. There will always be people who will want to do things themselves, and others who like to pay to have it done for them. To each his own. My view is that you too could have done it all on your own. But you chose to pay someone to help you. I'm happy you had a good time in Kiev. Maybe one day you will remove the training wheels and set foot in Kiev as a monger on an adventure, and dispense with being spoon fed. The sense of adventure has its own rewards, I'm sure you realize.
LJ
I've been to europe 20+ times. For me not speaking any foreign language it wasnt a problem to get around. When I landed in Kiev it was a totally different story. Yes if you are a very intelligent traveller you could possibly make it ok. I have a book on ukraine with many phrases that cover alot of instances. I'm so glad I found the guide I had before I went there. Even the second time having him was a blessing!I can't read Russian, not even the alphabet, I only speak about 4 words and I'm not very intelligent. Never been lost in Kiev or any other Ukrainian city and never needed a guide to show me what a restaurant is and what a pharmacy is. I can now even recognise phone shops on my own. A guide is a complete waste of money IMO.
Here's my advice on getting the most out of Mamba.
Searching freebies?
1. Put your location as Kiev.
2. Put up photos.
3. Write that you live and work in Kiev and looking for friends.
4. Start your campaign 2 weeks before coming to Kiev. Be busy with work then away on business until you arrive.
5. Don't mention sex unless it's P4P or she mentions sponsorship or " looking for a GOOD friend".
6. Book an apartment and know it's address before coming.
7. Know some restaurants and bars too. At least the names of them.
8. If asked about sex, explain it's important but that you are not 17 so don't need sex just to have sex.
P4P?
Ignore everything above from 3-8.Listen to this post! I've been playing on mamba since I read this. Wow! This has great potential!
Here's my advice on getting the most out of Mamba.
Searching freebies?
1. Put your location as Kiev.
2. Put up photos.
3. Write that you live and work in Kiev and looking for friends.
4. Start your campaign 2 weeks before coming to Kiev. Be busy with work then away on business until you arrive.
5. Don't mention sex unless it's P4P or she mentions sponsorship or " looking for a GOOD friend".
6. Book an apartment and know it's address before coming.
7. Know some restaurants and bars too. At least the names of them.
8. If asked about sex, explain it's important but that you are not 17 so don't need sex just to have sex.
P4P?
Ignore everything above from 3-8.9) I know Irish Lad.
Originally Posted by Irish Lad [View Original Post]
Here's my advice on getting the most out of Mamba.
Searching freebies?
1. Put your location as Kiev.
2. Put up photos.
3. Write that you live and work in Kiev and looking for friends.
4. Start your campaign 2 weeks before coming to Kiev. Be busy with work then away on business until you arrive.
5. Don't mention sex unless it's P4P or she mentions sponsorship or " looking for a GOOD friend".
6. Book an apartment and know it's address before coming.
7. Know some restaurants and bars too. At least the names of them.
8. If asked about sex, explain it's important but that you are not 17 so don't need sex just to have sex.
P4P?
Ignore everything above from 3-8.
9) I know Irish Lad.Since Irish Lad's advice for chasing freebies is being celebrated by a veteran such as CD, I will add my own comment from the perspective of a monger chasing P4P:
I basically agree, with a few minor emendations, with everything Irish Lad wrote, except Instruction #8 regarding what to say if asked about sex, and his last instruction concerning what to do if you are chasing P4P.
IL wrote that for those chasing "P4P? Ignore everything above from 3-8." However, I say that every one of those Items he wrote above, including items 3 to 8, work quite well, with certain emendations, as I will explain, for a monger like me who is chasing P4P. And I choose to believe that Irish Lad would agree with me, and was just trying to be witty. And lest you thought that it was obvious that IL was joking in his advice on P4P, please consider the case of guys like UsGrant below, and all those similarly situated, who never read this thread enough to have encountered advice similar to IL's advice before, and thinks he discovered the Holy Grail.
So for those chasing P4P, I will add my two cents on the near perfect words penned by IL cited above:
"1. Put your location as Kiev.
2. Put up photos.
3. Write that you live and work in Kiev and looking for friends."
This is important somewhat for p4p too, as even the agencies and hardcore pro's one might find on mamba do not want to waste their time responding to shmucks bothering them from other countries who are not immediate potential customers. They don't have a mindset that sees value in cultivating an international customer base and consider it a waste of their time to answer you if you are not in Kiev right then so as to be able to make a booking at that very moment. Also there are girls who are available at an agency or apartment number at that particular time that you called, who don't care about later times when they won't be there. I have frequently encountered the refusal to reply or give their phone number if I was not in Kiev at the time I was communicating with them on mamba, to know that this advice is correct. And for all the semi pro girls it is also important.
If you are contacting girls much younger than yourself in Kiev on mamba and you are a foreigner coming as a tourist, they have a word for you: "sex tourist", and it's a very bad label, interestingly even for those girls trying to sell sex.
So you must be able to project that you are not a tourist, but at the very least, you are coming to Kiev for business. IL recommends the added step of saying that you also live in Kiev. If you can pull that ruse off as time goes forward then power to you. I believe I read that IL actually does live in Kiev. But For most of us, there will be long absences from Kiev to explain to our new mamba girlfriends in Kiev for the periods in between our mongering trips there, even if we manage to get to Kiev five times a year.
In both cases, whether your story is that you live in Kiev, or that you are coming to Kiev frequently for business, it would be helpful if you indicate on your profile that your location is Kiev. This is easy to do when you are physically located in Kiev, but if you are located in another country, the software for mamba requires you to be located in your country of physical location. Only if you purchase VIP membership on mamba can you change your actual location setting. Is it worth it? IL says yes. I never paid any money on mamba yet, so I don't know. But it would probably help me avoid those interrogations I sometimes have on mamba from girls asking if I am in Kiev, and when I will be there. My story is that I am frequently in Kiev on business and I will be there next on some near date, and I stick to this story. I have no doubt that many of the girls I wrote to that didn't respond to my message, didn't reply because they saw my location was not in Kiev. So maybe I will look into VIP, if I ever don't have enough mamba girls in my personal ready line up.
Regarding the photos, I discussed the pros and cons in a previous post. It's much more important for freebies chasing, but it can be helpful for p4p with independent girls and semi pros. So if you're looking for p4p and you feel you are not getting enough response when your profile has no photo, then put up a photo. If you will not become involved in Skyping and email photo exchanges, I suppose a fake photo somewhat resembling you will work. But I see no real harm in real photos, unless your personal circumstances prohibit it. So photos do help.
"4. Start your campaign 2 weeks before coming to Kiev. Be busy with work then away on business until you arrive.
5. Don't mention sex unless it's P4P or she mentions sponsorship or " looking for a GOOD friend"."
I think that given the tendency of P4p girls to not answer their phones when you finally arrive in Kiev and call them, or they're not available etc, that one needs a lot of potential girl contacts in order to get at least somebody for a date on a given day or evening. So it is a good idea to develop more than a few girl Contacts for P4p. That being the case, I think not adviseable to give more than just two weeks for the investigation phase of the operation. I start messaging for contacts about 2 months before each trip.
I have explained my opinion that all contacts with mamba girls, whether you are seeking freebies or p4p girls, should be pursued in the manner of a man pursuing a normal, not p4p, regular girl. That means don't mention "money" for sex. Let the girl be the first one to bring up money in the context of sex, or sponsorship. This is because of the uncertainty involved in identifying who is a p4p girl on mamba. So the best way is to let the girl identify herself by raising the issue of her receiving money from you. So don't raise the idea of giving her money for having sex, or sponsorship, because if you do, and she is a regular girl, you will have ruined your chances with her for a freebie.
But while one should not raise the issue of "money" in the context of sex, I think it is stifling of the normal conversation between a man and a woman if the subject of sex is entirely verboten. So if it comes up in conversation feel free to discuss it or make jokes about it to the same extent your judgment allows you to in all your interactions with regular women you are dating or pursuing. This depends on the nature and personality of each guy. But normally, a man doesn't "converse" a lot about sex when he is engaged in the attempt at a seduction, he just simply makes a move at the time he feels is right. A man does the sex, instead of talking about it. But if it comes up in conversation, it doesn't have to be avoided, the same way as money for sex needs to be avoided.
"6. Book an apartment and know it's address before coming.
7. Know some restaurants and bars too. At least the names of them."
Good advice.
"8. If asked about sex, explain it's important but that you are not 17 so don't need sex just to have sex."
That sounds like an overly guarded response, and one doesn't want to come off a bit too fastidious. It's a response that dismisses the question, rather than engages and plays with it. I think a young girl wants to know if you've still "got it" sexually.
So if it feels right in the context in which she asked the question, maybe instead you can say that you are a gentleman in all places, but in the bedroom you are a sex maniac. That let's her know that she will be given a thorough working over if she ever lets you get into her pants. Or you might say anything that feels like it would work as a witty or funny comment at the time. Use your own sense of humor or personality, as it the most comfortable boots you could wear. If a girl asks you about sex, and you don't know yet if she is p4p or a regular girl, then just try to understand what her real question is, and respond in a way most conducive to further the relationship and the fun you are having together. I would not say a line that makes you sound all business, with little interest in sex, or that risks making you sound like you are over the hill.
Yet, by way of caveat, it is true that EE women like to assume a very "proper" disposition, that doesn't countenance the freedom with which Americans joke about and speak about sex. But it depends on the moment, I guess.
LJ
LJ,
Thanks for taking time to expand on it when it didn't need expanding upon.
Irish Lad's advice is 100% in regards to non working girl, If you take your tact you will come off as a sex tourist.
I basically agree, with a few minor emendations, with everything Irish Lad wrote, except Instruction #8
LJ,
Thanks for taking time to expand on it when it didn't need expanding upon.
Irish Lad's advice is 100% in regards to non working girl, If you take your tact you will come off as a sex tourist.What takes Irish or anyone else a few quick and succint lines of clear and concise explanation, takes the egotistical vomit mouth LJ forever to bore us to death with his garbage.
LJ, until very recently your posts have promoted one club in particular. The reason you have always given is that you always come here for 3 or so days and want and need to see the girls before taking them home. Nothing else mattered to you, not even Mamba girls since they came sight unseen and that you could NOT tolerate.
Now you are the resident expert about Mamba.
What gives? When did you go over to the dark side of the force?
Or, as I see it, you are just re-writing all that has previously been written by all others about Mamba, now as your "stolen" words of "personally inexperienced" wit and wisdom. And all plagiarized, From my POV, just like Ukrainian president Yanukovich who has since proven to be a plagiarist as well, into what we can say as your,"experience" which in very stark and plain contrast your own earlier written words. Up until now and you have not been here recently, Mamba has not been an option for you.
LJ,
Thanks for taking time to expand on it when it didn't need expanding upon.
Irish Lad's advice is 100% in regards to non working girl, If you take your tact you will come off as a sex tourist.CD, you know that I value your opinion. However, Irish Lad's advice only pertains to chasing freebies, and there I agree with him and didn't expand. But with regard to IL's advice for seeking P4P which was dismissively to merely ignore all the points he wrote, items 3 to 8; while it seems fairly obvious to me that such advice is not on point, and that for pursuing p4p, the same type of approach IS applicable. So I think the comment / correction was valid as to the p4p aspect that I was trying to clarify.
However, I am more concerned with your opinion about coming off as a sex tourist, which we all agree is destructive to our purposes, be they freebie or p4p. You have had countless interactions with EE girls over the years. How many times has it happened that during the course of a new relationship a girl asks a direct question about sex? I don't think it happens many times. So if an EE girl actually does ask a question about your feelings about sex, what do you think she is asking such a question for? What concern motivated her to ask? I guess you are saying that one must assume she is trying to figure out if you are a sex tourist. And if that is her purpose, the best response is to deflect the question and downplay the importance of sex to you. I guess in that context, I agree with you that that is the best tactic.
I had in mind more of a conversational context. And think that the subject of sex should not be entirely off limits. In socializing and conversation with girls, the opportunity often arises to say something clever, funny or witty that has to do with sex. Are you saying that when you are with EE girls, you never allow yourself to say something funny that has a sexual connotation, for fear of being labelled a sex tourist? Do you feel it should be taken that far?
With respect.
LJ
What takes Irish or anyone else a few quick and succint lines of clear and concise explanation, takes the egotistical vomit mouth LJ forever to bore us to death with his garbage.
LJ, until very recently your posts have promoted one club in particular. The reason you have always given is that you always come here for 3 or so days and want and need to see the girls before taking them home. Nothing else mattered to you, not even Mamba girls since they came sight unseen and that you could NOT tolerate.
Now you are the resident expert about Mamba.
What gives? When did you go over to the dark side of the force?
Or, as I see it, you are just re-writing all that has previously been written by all others about Mamba, now as your "stolen" words of "personally inexperienced" with and wisdom. And all plagiarized, From my POV, just like Ukrainian president Yanukovich who has since proven to be a plagiarist as well, into what we can say as your,"experience" which in very stark and plain contrast your own earlier written words. Up until now and you have not been here recently, Mamba has not been an option for you.Surfing Mamba is an art and all of its doors will not be open to a foreign outsider. Don't let the slick talkers here seduce you with bullshit, ultimately knowing that you will fall into Kiev's tourist trap.
My head hurts every year after Saint Patrick's day. Any ideas why?
We get out of Mamba what we put in. My advice was how to get the most out of it. Getting something is not an art, just a numbers game. Nowhere else can you find so much potential in one place for free. I am surprised the subscription dating sites are still in business as ALL girls with profiles on those have profiles on Mamba. Many girls on Mamba have 2 profiles anyway. 1 for serious relations and the other to pay the rent.
The advice is also subjective and therefore may not apply to every one or to each situation. In my opinion, talking about sex on Mamba is irrelevant in freebie situations. The view is that being a man, of course you want sex. It's normal and expected. I feel talking about it places you in the sex tourist category.
Over the 7 years I have used Mamba I can safely say it has been my best source for pulling. I pull in clubs, bars the street even, but Mamba is so much more convenient.
2 months lead in is probably excessive as Mamba now deletes profiles at a high rate. It also restores them, but by then, the profile has been moved to the "ignore" folder. Before living here full time, I spent 10 days a month in Kiev so I just pretended I lived in Kiev but was away on business often.
It's all meant to be fun anyway. Who is bullshitting who?
LJ,
Most Ukrainian girls have the preconceived notion that all foreign men are sex tourist.
You mention sex or alluded to it and it is just going to cement that for the girls.
If the girl is a pro or a semi pro she will bring it up.
CD, you know
Hey! We never met for lunch.
I'm being moderated by the powers that be on ISG for calling Prosal a DB.
Ukrainian president Yanukovich.
Just catching up on the forums.
Saw some people posting about the "asking for rent money."
I have been chatting with some girls on mamba, actually just looking for normal dates and getting to know people for travel.
I had one girl I spoke with a couple of times do the "I need money for rent" thing. Big emergency of course, going to get thrown out. Anyway I told her sorry I didn't run around sending western union to people I don't know. That got an explosion of "you think all girls are out for money" etc. Complete over reaction.
Too bad as she was a nice looking girl. I didn't bother responding just blocked her. More people should do this and then maybe it would stop, but it's got to be working with some guys or else it wouldn't be catching on like a fever.
Next thing you know they're going to be asking for money to help with the sick water buffalo back on the farm.
Actually it was always, grandma needs money for an operation.
Anytime a girl asks for money its only a scam 99% of the time, that is if she isn't offering something in return.
You want to give a girl 50uah for taxi money, meh, that's up to you. Anything other than that and it's chump city.
Next thing you know they're going to be asking for money to help with the sick water buffalo back on the farm.
Where are you pretending to live now.
I just pretended I lived in Kiev but was away on business often.
Where are you pretending to live now.I now pretend I live in Ireland but only visiting Kiev so get me while you can)
Seriously, a friend of mine who used to spend 10 days a month in Odessa was always surprised that the girls he knew were only available to meet on his last night in town. It was because he would tell them he was in Odessa for 10 days. He switched to telling them "3 days" and things all changed for the better.
Rent has always been an issue on Mamba. In the old days it was more acute, then dropped off for a few years but back again. Mini crisis going on I feel. Also, before, men were able to put "willing to be sponsor" on their profiles, filtering in our out the money seekers. Now they have to guess.
When going on a date, if a girl mentions,"mother is in hospital" or any other sad story, I knew 2 things. 1) I was getting laid and 2) I was going to be asked for hospital money the next day.
Actually it was always, grandma needs money for an operation.
Anytime a girl asks for money its only a scam 99% of the time, that is if she isn't offering something in return.
You want to give a girl 50uah for taxi money, meh, that's up to you. Anything other than that and it's chump city.CD, when a girl asks for money, and it is not a "relationship," long or short term, and you have no idea about her family and friends, then it is 150% a scam.
Girls here who are "normal" have a lot of pride. They will not ask for a kopeck. Only the gold diggers and the greedy bitches will come up with some sort of line and ask for money.
Be very aware and do not fall into this trap guys. In all cases, just say no.
Just catching up on the forums.
Saw some people posting about the "asking for rent money."
I have been chatting with some girls on mamba, actually just looking for normal dates and getting to know people for travel.
I had one girl I spoke with a couple of times do the "I need money for rent" thing. Big emergency of course, going to get thrown out. Anyway I told her sorry I didn't run around sending western union to people I don't know. That got an explosion of "you think all girls are out for money" etc. Complete over reaction.
Too bad as she was a nice looking girl. I didn't bother responding just blocked her. More people should do this and then maybe it would stop, but it's got to be working with some guys or else it wouldn't be catching on like a fever.
Next thing you know they're going to be asking for money to help with the sick water buffalo back on the farm.Protocol, if you are indeed only looking for "normal dates," surely you realized that any regular normal "freebie type" girl whom you haven't yet even met in person yet, would never be asking you to send her rent money, or any other kind of money. That is the realm of scammers and p4p girls looking for an advance payment on services yet to be rendered.
Actually it was always, grandma needs money for an operation.
Anytime a girl asks for money its only a scam 99% of the time, that is if she isn't offering something in return.
You want to give a girl 50uah for taxi money, meh, that's up to you. Anything other than that and it's chump city.In the typical scenario where the RFM (Request For Money) is usually received there is already an existing sexual relationship between the woman asking for rent money to prevent eviction or money for some other urgent need, whether it be a boyfriend / girlfriend freebie relationship, or a pay 4 play relationship with a girl you have had paid sex with previously. In both cases, what is "being offered in return" is the sexual favors to be received in the future when you return for your next visit.
These situations are tempting because you know that you want that girl to like you and reward you and lavish you with great sex, so you can easily think it is a good investment. The problem is that the amount of money requested can quickly outpace the value of the sexual favors to be received.
If it's a p4p girl, rest assured she will always try to keep you on the down side of the transaction if she can, and you will never quite catch up on things. Her money requests will always outpace the services you received, if she can help it.
If it's a request from a freebie "girlfriend", the collective wisdom here on this thread is that she is sending the same request for money to all her other "boyfriends" that she is working when you are not in town.
If despite the foregoing you decide to take a calculated risk and give her money because it will enhance the relationship, make her like you more and feel more beholden to you, so that she will lavish great sexual favors on you the next time. 9 times out of 10, you will not end up the winner, and will instead learn that you have been played for a chump.
L
There are so many beautiful girls all over the Uke who will give for very little or nothing. It just takes a little more time and effort. The hospitality is great and just depends on you.
Hi Kiev fans,
I wolud like to visit the beautiful city Kiev in spring time again. In my previous visit Club Rio was the main topic of my experiences. I would like to know how is the club scene especially Rio Club nowadays and worth to try again? I still couldn't forget the gorgeous blonde Sophia from Club Rio does anyone know about her nowadays?
Thanks. O
Duesentrieb
03-23-13, 23:02
A german Member of the European Parliament, The Rt. Hon. Elmar Brok was visiting Kiev in official mission in December 2012.
In the aftermath, some ukrainian media reported, that Mr. Brok had visited some night Clubs in Kiev and spend some time with prostitutes:
http://obozrevatel.com/politics/70985-evrodeputat-elmar-brok-oskandalilsya-v-ukraine-po-polnoj-programme.htm
Maybe just gossip, of course Mr. Brok tries only to help build democracy in Ukraine.
But very interesting anyway. Did some of you know the "TEO club" or the "Tycce club"?
http://tycce-club.ucoz.ua/
http://nightlife.tochka.net/clubs/id/2393/about/
By the way, Mr. Brok got some trouble last week :
http://focus.ua/society/264780/
Hi Kiev fans,
I wolud like to visit the beautiful city Kiev in spring time again. In my previous visit Club Rio was the main topic of my experiences. I would like to know how is the club scene especially Rio Club nowadays and worth to try again? I still couldn't forget the gorgeous blonde Sophia from Club Rio does anyone know about her nowadays?
Thanks. ORio. If its worth trying, very strange question. I was there not long time ago. Entry is still 100 grivna, or smth like that. Girls are in all ranges, from very stupid bitches, to some normal ones that are smart and nice to talk to.
It's silly how stacked up you can get on the last day.
On the last day of my last trip to Kiev I said fck it. Girls wanted to meet and I just told them to come but there might be other girls here, I'm a popular man and it's my last night in Kiev. At one point I had four girls in my apartment at the same time. Starting from 0400 that morning I had 4 girls, spaced a few hours apart, the night ended in a threesome. It was awesome.
The new crop of rent girls don't want to practice fair trade, they just want to 'borrow' rent money.
I now pretend I live in Ireland but only visiting Kiev so get me while you can)
Seriously, a friend of mine who used to spend 10 days a month in Odessa was always surprised that the girls he knew were only available to meet on his last night in town. It was because he would tell them he was in Odessa for 10 days. He switched to telling them "3 days" and things all changed for the better.
Rent has always been an issue on Mamba. In the old days it was more acute, then dropped off for a few years but back again. Mini crisis going on I feel. Also, before, men were able to put "willing to be sponsor" on their profiles, filtering in our out the money seekers. Now they have to guess.
When going on a date, if a girl mentions,"mother is in hospital" or any other sad story, I knew 2 things. 1) I was getting laid and 2) I was going to be asked for hospital money the next day.
Haven't been to Kiev for 4 months and finally back to my favorite city. Just a 3 days stay from this Thursday to Sunday, so I won't waste time and visit Rio. Someone out there who wants to join for some drinks there? PM me please.
Hi Kiev fans,
I wolud like to visit the beautiful city Kiev in spring time again. In my previous visit Club Rio was the main topic of my experiences. I would like to know how is the club scene especially Rio Club nowadays and worth to try again? I still couldn't forget the gorgeous blonde Sophia from Club Rio does anyone know about her nowadays?
Thanks. OI don't think she works there anymore
Hi guys, in Kiev at the moment, I was talking to a girl X about meeting for some p4p on flirt (mamba same thing) , and I have not gotten around to meet her. I contacted her 2 nights ago but she couldn't but she has been all the time from then sending me messages,"I can today","I have time"
Last night all of the sudden a girl Z who looks really good, writes to me "hi", then we start talking and she asks do you want to have a date? She was expensive and it was very late but she said, well we can meet tomorrow.
Right now girl X called me and asked if we are meeting tonight, and I said yes, she had already quoted me a price but now she was asking me,"how much will you pay me?" I normally don't try to make them change their prices but this time I told her, well I pay you XXX much and she said ok.
It seems to me that girls need some cash now and there might be not enough customers, I just never had a girl approach me to offer.
Then again it helps that my profile says that my location is Kiev.
Hi guys, in Kiev at the moment, I was talking to a girl X about meeting for some p4p on flirt (mamba same thing) , and I have not gotten around to meet her. I contacted her 2 nights ago but she couldn't but she has been all the time from then sending me messages,"I can today","I have time"
Last night all of the sudden a girl Z who looks really good, writes to me "hi", then we start talking and she asks do you want to have a date? She was expensive and it was very late but she said, well we can meet tomorrow.
Right now girl X called me and asked if we are meeting tonight, and I said yes, she had already quoted me a price but now she was asking me,"how much will you pay me?" I normally don't try to make them change their prices but this time I told her, well I pay you XXX much and she said ok.
It seems to me that girls need some cash now and there might be not enough customers, I just never had a girl approach me to offer.
Then again it helps that my profile says that my location is Kiev.On mamba, Try not to get caught in the trap of negotiating against yourself. Two things: first I have noticed that there is information sharing going on between different girls. Second there are girls who have put up multiple profiles using different fake pictures so it is sometimes possible to be communicating with the same individual girl while you think it is two different ones.
Therefore, try to be consistent with the prices you say you are willing to pay. If you agree to pay one girl a high price, pretty soon another girl will try to push to get the same higher price and you haven't helped yourself, but rather just raised the bar for yourself. If you differentiate between girls in price, it should only be based on better looks and / or better services. That way another girl not as good looking or who won't do certain services can be told,"you want more? Will you do xxx?"
For example, if your standard price that you are willing to pay is $100/1hr, and a really hot looking girl wants more than that, and you really want her, but she wrote "everything in condoms" in her response, and you told her you only go with girls who do BBBJ, then you might consider resolving the impasse by agreeing to raise her one hour price on condition she confirms the BBBJ. If you are with her and she becomes one of your favorites for repeat business, you are likely going to want her to stay for multiple hour sessions in the future, and you can absorb the slight price hike for the initial hour to get her to move on the BBBJ issue, into the negotiation on the rate she gets for multiple hours. So For example, if you get a very hot girl who won't do DFK, DATY or BBBJ for $100 / hr, to agree to do all those services for $150 / hr, then you have established the service level with that girl, and you stand a good chance of negotiating a 2 hour session with her for $200 while still at the higher service level.
But there are guys who have a different, more unyielding manner of negotiating, and they simply stick to their guns and insist on $100 / hr including all the services mentioned, and not a penny more, take it or leave it. Often enough the pressure the girls are under economically will cause them to cave in to such a stance, however, a fair number of times you will lose a really hot girl that way.
So it depends what you value more in such an instance: your few extra dollars or being able to stick your penis into the particular very hot princess in question.
Have fun in Kiev.
LJ
Member #4722
03-27-13, 18:50
If most of the pictures on Mamba are fakes, how do you really know how hot the girl you are negotiating with is? That part of your post had me confused. Also, can some girls who say CBJ only be persuaded to BBBJ for an extra fee?
If most of the pictures on Mamba are fakes, how do you really know how hot the girl you are negotiating with is? That part of your post had me confused. Also, can some girls who say CBJ only be persuaded to BBBJ for an extra fee?Rog, please get un-confused. This isn't rocket science. You obviously don't know before you meet her what the actual truth is. But in conversation with her on mamba prior to meeting, you may have asked her and she may have promised and sworn she looks like her photos, or you may have gotten her to send photos by email. So you simply must hope she is telling the truth about her appearance and you negotiate as such. Obviously, if she shows up, and she is not as promised, then all prior promises and negotiated prices are voided due to the fraud. Fraud breaches any contractual agreement. This should be obvious to you. If she has not been truthful about her appearance, she knows she will have to face your objections when you see the truth. So you remain in the driver's seat. You can either renegotiate things at a lower price, if she is good enough to keep at a lower price, or you can cut her loose, saying you are sorry but she is not the girl in the photos as promised. Give her no more than 50 UAH for taxi fare, if she asks for that and you are motivated to be nice about it. You should not lose anything except your time, in pursuing this process of finding good mamba girls.
As far as girls who tell you up front that services are covered, you can either try to negotiate about this before they come, to lessen the time waste on a girl who is not a qualified provider for your needs. Or you can decide not to say anything and wait until they show up at your apartment and meet you to raise the issue, on the calculation that maybe you have a little more leverage once they have already taken the trouble to go to your apartment, and she wouldn't want to leave empty-handed.
Once she arrives try to convince her that you are very clean, that you can't proceed unless BJ is uncovered, and as a last resort, you can try offering her some more money to do uncovered BJ. Of course, Rog, there is never any guarantee that more money will convince her to agree to BBBJ. In that case, your options are to accept CBJ, or to cut her loose as you said you would.
Note: if she agrees to BBBJ, either because she doesn't want to leave empty-handed, or because you offered more money, don't forget that she can easily regain the upper hand if you are stupid. If you make the mistake of giving in to her demand to receive the money upfront, you have just been tossed out of the driver's seat, and let her take over control. In such case do not be surprised if your BBBJ becomes less than what you had hoped for, if she starts to say her mouth hurts after a minute, or she only puts the tip of your penis in her mouth, or myriad other ways girls have of ruining a BBBJ. As I've written many times, if she demands money up front, the maximum you should agree to do is to show her that you have all the agreed money, and will place it on a table or desk for her to take, but that it must be agreed that she may take it only at the end of the session. If she won't agree to this compromise, then you should understand you are engaging in a risk if you decide to proceed. You are throwing the dice about whether she will keep her word and perform as agreed. It could go either way. But once you give her the money, you dissipate any advantage you may have had by getting her to come to your apartment. Once she has the money in her pocket, it reverses the leverage to her advantage.
Keep you wits about you when negotiating with these girls. They have gone through such negotiations hundreds of times (yes, hundreds) and they know how to maneuver to gain the advantage. But if you keep sight of the factors we have discussed, you should be ok. For the most part I have found the girls I met through mamba to be enjoyable. I have let them stay most often, as long as they look hot enough, even if I couldn't get the BBBJ from them in the first session. And then I did as good a performance as I could, including some very effective DATY which always serves to break the ice in a new relationship, I find, and I made it as fun for them as I could. Then we invariably spoke about repeat bookings. And I usually converted such repeat girls over to BBBJ girls in future sessions, as I guess they knew me and maybe liked me a little, they could clearly see how clean I am and interested in hygiene, and that I wouldn't have them back in tge future unless they changed their tune about BBBJ. When you come into the status of a "regular" with any of these girls, you have expanded access. A fair percentage of girls will even go all the way with BB sex, with men they feel comfortable with, and who offer a little more to them, let alone getting a decent BBBJ.
Felix Nordic
03-27-13, 22:04
I want you all to read this:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2506-Minsk&p=1403630&posted=1#post1403630
Please report about Jojosun to the admin. He is no good and you decent members know it. Lets get rid of him for ever. Shall we?
He has contributed with nill. But he is a pest to many members. Time to call it a day for Jojosun.
If you like him, I doubt your sanity, if not, lets kick him.
If he continues to post, this is my last post for ever. I think the readers of the Belarus forum will miss my posts. At least I think so.
As few has ever posted anything usefull as I have including pics of hot girls in the Belarus forum, and a lot of good info and strategies, its time to clean it from Jojo.
Its up to you.
/Felix
It seems to me that girls need some cash now and there might be not enough customers, I just never had a girl approach me to offer.Yeah, cold weather and snow probably put a good dent in everyone's business.
YellowPaul
03-28-13, 02:03
I want you all to read this:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2506-Minsk&p=1403630&posted=1#post1403630
Please report about Jojosun to the admin. He is no good and you decent members know it. Lets get rid of him for ever. Shall we?
He has contributed with nill. But he is a pest to many members. Time to call it a day for Jojosun.
If you like him, I doubt your sanity, if not, lets kick him.
If he continues to post, this is my last post for ever. I think the readers of the Belarus forum will miss my posts. At least I think so.
As few has ever posted anything usefull as I have including pics of hot girls in the Belarus forum, and a lot of good info and strategies, its time to clean it from Jojo.
Its up to you.
/FelixThis war between these two guys is ugly in the Belarus section and now it's here. Imagine CD & IL fighting it out. This is what it would be like! LOL.
FN. I don't know enough about you and the issues between JJ to get involved.
Hi Hzlvr,
Will you recommend girl Z and girl X? Do you have both of their contact info or Mamba / Flirt profile link? Can you please PM me? I will return you the favor in the future.
Thank you,
Miscgk
Hi guys, in Kiev at the moment, I was talking to a girl X about meeting for some p4p on flirt (mamba same thing) , and I have not gotten around to meet her. I contacted her 2 nights ago but she couldn't but she has been all the time from then sending me messages,"I can today","I have time"
Last night all of the sudden a girl Z who looks really good, writes to me "hi", then we start talking and she asks do you want to have a date? She was expensive and it was very late but she said, well we can meet tomorrow.
Right now girl X called me and asked if we are meeting tonight, and I said yes, she had already quoted me a price but now she was asking me,"how much will you pay me?" I normally don't try to make them change their prices but this time I told her, well I pay you XXX much and she said ok.
It seems to me that girls need some cash now and there might be not enough customers, I just never had a girl approach me to offer.
Then again it helps that my profile says that my location is Kiev.
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Hi Hzlvr,
Do you have any contact info or flirt / mamba profile links to the girls Z and X? Can you share please? I will also share some girls info with you if you want. You can PM me please.
Thank you,
Miscgk
Hi guys, in Kiev at the moment, I was talking to a girl X about meeting for some p4p on flirt (mamba same thing) , and I have not gotten around to meet her. I contacted her 2 nights ago but she couldn't but she has been all the time from then sending me messages,"I can today","I have time"
Last night all of the sudden a girl Z who looks really good, writes to me "hi", then we start talking and she asks do you want to have a date? She was expensive and it was very late but she said, well we can meet tomorrow.
Right now girl X called me and asked if we are meeting tonight, and I said yes, she had already quoted me a price but now she was asking me,"how much will you pay me?" I normally don't try to make them change their prices but this time I told her, well I pay you XXX much and she said ok.
It seems to me that girls need some cash now and there might be not enough customers, I just never had a girl approach me to offer.
Then again it helps that my profile says that my location is Kiev.
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The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Let's stick to the subject.
A lot of the girls on mamba are 'friends' or in the same network.
On mamba it's not uncommon for the girls to have more than one profile, you might have actually been typing to the same girl.
Did you actually meet any of the girls you mentioned? No? Then what does it matter if you are in Kiev or not? I can play the same online mamba games from the south pole.
Joey, how many times do you plan on saying the same thing in the longest way you possibly can?
YP, the king doesn't fight, he doesn't need to, he just loves.
Hi guys, in Kiev
Last night all of the sudden a girl Z who looks really good, writes to me "hi",
It seems to me that girls need some cash now and there might be not enough customers, I just never had a girl approach me to offer.
Then again it helps.
At the Borispol airport last October after I checked in my luggage and went through security the officer asked me if I have over 2K, this has happened 2 times, I don't know why they ask 2K, on their web site it says 10k in / out.
http://www.airport.kiev.ua/en/passengers/info/rules/customscontrol/
The same officer has aked me this question in my last 2 trips when I was leaving Kiev, wonder what he would do if I had over 2K
MasterDepo
03-30-13, 09:00
Hello,
I'm new on this forum. I've read many reports written here and getting excited to be there. All reports are helpful.
I'll be there between 23rd and 28th of April.
Hopefully I'll have great 5 days mongering there with the help of your reports.
Cheers,
Ok.
A lot of the girls on mamba are 'friends' or in the same network.My first result in Kiev 7 years ago was Yulia, a waitress from Arena that I pulled on my first visit to Shooters 7 years ago. Reported here.
Anyway, when I moved to Kiev I kept meeting Yulia in Arena amongst other places. At the same time I was getting messages out of the blue on Mamba."Hi, I am Tanya etc, if you would like to meet I would not be against". So, every girl I met with this message, I would soon enough see with Yulia somewhere. After 5 or 6 of these incidents, I met Oxana who had written to me. After dinner in Antresol. 20 metres from where I used to live, Oxana asked if she could stay with me as her flatmate was having her boyfriend over for the night and they lived in a 1 room apartment.
2-3 weeks later I see Yulia in Shooters with Oxana and I commented."You know Oxana?" and Yulia replied "Yes, we are flatmates". I said,"Thanks, you keep sending them and I'll keep fucking them". Yulia replied with a wink.
Met only with one of them, one of the worst things is that I don't have to much time for mongering.
I would share the info with you but I don't have access to PM.
Hi Hzlvr,
Do you have any contact info or flirt / mamba profile links to the girls Z and X? Can you share please? I will also share some girls info with you if you want. You can PM me please.
Thank you,
Miscgk
Member #4722
03-31-13, 01:40
Has anyone noticed the pictures of girls with blindfolds on? I have been on Mamba for only a month but I saw this on three different girls picture pages the last two days. They are usually scantily clad. Wonder if this is a sign for P4P or just some weird shit from a different culture?
Does anyone know if there are any swingers clubs in Kiev?
DoctorOral
04-03-13, 16:41
Please name an example! And, fellow funboys, tell me why this forum is so dead right now? No new faces and names to discuss, share and rate?
Has anyone noticed the pictures of girls with blindfolds on? I have been on Mamba for only a month but I saw this on three different girls picture pages the last two days. They are usually scantily clad. Wonder if this is a sign for P4P or just some weird shit from a different culture?
Harry Hirsch
04-03-13, 17:40
Does anyone know if there are any swingers clubs in Kiev?Of course it gives, but it isn't allowed for foreigners.
Only insider knows about this clubs.
Member #4722
04-03-13, 23:04
Please name an example! And, fellow funboys, tell me why this forum is so dead right now? No new faces and names to discuss, share and rate?Of course, the main blindfolded lady pops up every time I do a search unless I am looking for her and now can't find her through many pages of profiles. Will save the profile next time I see it.
Hi Guys,
For renting flats, which web page is good?
(city center, affordable and good quality).
Thanks in advance.
Naykan
Hi Guys,
For renting flats, which web page is good?
(city center, affordable and good quality).
Thanks in advance.
NaykanKievapts here you get excellent and professional service. Have rented from best Kiev apt, was fine as well, but staff working there from driver to management are airheads.
DoctorOral
04-04-13, 13:12
RTFF, please. Over and over again!
Hi Guys,
For renting flats, which web page is good?
(city center, affordable and good quality).
Thanks in advance.
Naykan
Contra principia negantem non est disputandum.
Kievapts here you get excellent and professional service. Have rented from best Kiev apt, was fine as well, but staff working there from driver to management are airheads.Those agencies that offer outrageously expensive apartments are outdated and totally useless now that there's Airbnb.
YellowPaul
04-04-13, 18:10
Those agencies that offer outrageously expensive apartments are outdated and totally useless now that there's Airbnb.Pro.
I too have mention AIRBNB a few times too. Their site is excellent showing almost exactly what you will be getting, location, past reviews on the owner and apartment, etc.
Can't beat it.
YP
Hi Hzlvr,
Is there a mamba profile link or two, of the 2 ladies you can give me?
Thank you much.
Miscgk
Met only with one of them, one of the worst things is that I don't have to much time for mongering.
I would share the info with you but I don't have access to PM.
A german Member of the European Parliament, The Rt. Hon. Elmar Brok was visiting Kiev in official mission in December 2012.
In the aftermath, some ukrainian media reported, that Mr. Brok had visited some night Clubs in Kiev and spend some time with prostitutes:
http://obozrevatel.com/politics/70985-evrodeputat-elmar-brok-oskandalilsya-v-ukraine-po-polnoj-programme.htm
Maybe just gossip, of course Mr. Brok tries only to help build democracy in Ukraine.
But very interesting anyway. Did some of you know the "TEO club" or the "Tycce club"?
http://tycce-club.ucoz.ua/
http://nightlife.tochka.net/clubs/id/2393/about/
By the way, Mr. Brok got some trouble last week :
http://focus.ua/society/264780/Hard to know what's going on here.
EB is one Frau Merkel's favourite apologists who has fronted for the CDU on many occasions.
On the other hand, in this part of the world, if someone's annoying you it's par for the course to smear someone in a sexual way.
So who knows where the truth lies...
Hard to know what's going on here.
EB is one Frau Merkel's favourite apologists who has fronted for the CDU on many occasions.
On the other hand, in this part of the world, if someone's annoying you it's par for the course to smear someone in a sexual way.
So who knows where the truth lies.I read the Obozrevatel article. From my POV, the article is a crock of shit, something that was ordered up by Brok's enemies or those who do not like his politics here. I know nothing about him so I will not and cannot play favorites about who and what he represents.
What I do know is that no one in their right mind would go clubs in the armpit of Kiev where these clubs are located, Troeshchina. That whole area is low class and a complete hell hole. It is a place only for the locals and the clubs there would never attract slumming German politicians. The Ladies of the Night in the article seem to be made up from the writer's imagination as well. The entire article seems to me that it was a work of fiction designed to smear Brok as much as possible.
There are a lot of other better places and closer to the center of town that he could go to such as Shooters. His best option, however, would be to call in a companion and / or see what was available in the lobby, discretely.
Member #4491
04-07-13, 13:21
I am (almost) back from Asia. Nice to see that absolutely nothing changed here. Except that everyone suddenly are Mamba experts. Try Mamba in conjunction with Googles image search. You can find out a lot about the user and / or the used pictures.
It is just bs to state that anyone sending money will be a looser is 90% of the cases, at least the girls know you somehow. I have "prepaid" many times, and got what I wanted all but twice in my early mongering years when I did not know to whom I sent the money or why I sent it. There must be sufficient motivators for the girl to deliver, and she will. For example a teen virgin in distress might be a very solid investment, as long as she understands who you can be for her, and you understands who she is, before you send money. I always keep eyes and ears open for good business, and Barba can only advice any smart monger to ignore the ones here that tries to come across as experts by giving categorical advices on things they know shit about. Statistically it has been cheaper poonani for me to bundle up "payments" (sometimes as prepayments) than to pay as I order.
B.
I am (almost) back from Asia. Nice to see that absolutely nothing changed here. Except that everyone suddenly are Mamba experts. Try Mamba in conjunction with Googles image search. You can find out a lot about the user and / or the used pictures.
B.I have been a mamba expert for 7 years) Closely followed by Cruiser D and Hunter Dave. Sometimes annoying but always fun.................mamba I mean
Member #4491
04-08-13, 18:49
I have been a mamba expert for 7 years) Closely followed by Cruiser D and Hunter Dave. Sometimes annoying but always fun.mamba I meanI am sure we all are experts in our own little way. Hard sometimes to give generic advice because we all look for different things and the more subtle things in how you communicate is often quite important in how well you succeed. LJ once asked me for some sort of guide in how to use Mamba. If I spent a lot of time to make it detailed it would, apart from consume way too much time, be my guide, tuned according to my preferences. The more generic advice was covered about 8000 times here.
Would be interesting to read something about the dark side (other side) of the river by you experts. Anatloi, the guy who drives to the airport sometimes, said it was a good area with a lot of cheaper clubs. I asked about crime and security, and he said it was just as good or better than the center side. I was once with The Knight in a place that I think was on the other side of the river, and the girls where hot there as well. Any other information on this area? Skip the generic comments aimed at impressing, and let us discuss tested clubs and tested providers. Any juicy story is interesting, even if it is years ago since you where there. I like to venture out a little, but like to know where I am going.
B.
I have been a mamba expert for 7 years) Closely followed by Cruiser D and Hunter Dave. Sometimes annoying but always fun.mamba I meanHahahah any loser can feel expert in ukr if got an answer to what women want there.
Hahahah any loser can feel expert in ukr if got an answer to what women want there.You calling me a loser?)
HunterDave
04-08-13, 21:17
I have been a mamba expert for 7 years) Closely followed by Cruiser D and Hunter Dave. Sometimes annoying but always fun.mamba I meanAlot more interest and attention to Mamba and a few other sources to find and score some hotties this last month with many ways to reach out with different skills. The best thing is to use your own mongering skills and techniques to pull them into your circle. Some try harder than others but to each his own. I try to get them comfortable with me virtually and then work to get them to want to meet, once they decide you seem to be 'nice' then get their number. Some will get cold feet, hence that's why you need to pull as many mobiles as you can prior to arriving. Irish and Cruiser have offered some very simple approaches that work very well for them and myself. Others more detail. Getting them to agree to meet is a first step, getting their real mobile is another, but in the end it your acute mongering skills to charm them and their panties / thongs off in person that will tell the tale. It is the oldest game in town. Each knows what the other wants and will work hard to get the advantage!
I am looking to get back to Kiev later this month to again hone my always developing mongering skills.
Hunter Dave
You calling me a loser?)No I don't, I don't know you. I just don't like self named experts in any kind of situation of life. (wink)
No I don't, I don't know you. I just don't like self named experts in any kind of situation of life. (wink)Who cares really. Most people can understand the joke symbol as)
Nice one Hunter. I vote you as the expert. Who is this Crusier D guy anyway?)
HunterDave
04-09-13, 02:08
Who cares really. Most people can understand the joke symbol as)
Nice one Hunter. I vote you as the expert. Who is this Crusier D guy anyway?) Irish,
I sure don't consider myself to be an expert especially with Mamba the way the dynamics have changed these past few years (I do like the clean up they are trying to make to cut out alot of the agencies. Guess they are trying to make it more 'respectable'?) But like that blind squirrel who every once in awhile finds a nut or do I mean a nice young hottie to come to and [cum] in my bed (so I can get off a nut (I cannot remember the exact saying!). Now Cruser is the real expert I think you meant to say!
Hope you are in town later this month for a drink and some 'low key' partying!
Live long and monger!
Hunter Dave
HunterDave
04-09-13, 02:15
No I don't, I don't know you. I just don't like self named experts in any kind of situation of life. (wink)Hey! Clearly you do not know Irish! He is the salt of this Kiev forum and I can tell you that he has never steered me nor any other mongerer here astray. He always gives a fellow mongerer his 20/20 view as he sees it and his info is up to date. He has seen alot of the change that has gone on in Kiev and is always open to inform and to help us all out. Irish lives in Kiev, who better to keep those of us who ask politely the straight skinny! Keep on passing your wisdom on Irish. Is there such as thing as Irish Wisdom? I'll have to think about this! But I guess so! LOL.
Hunter Dave
Gentleman Travel
04-09-13, 15:14
I have only met Irish Lad once, but have heard much of his exploits from very reliable sources, and I can tell you this guys lives a life most of us can only dream of.
A hot devoted girlfriend (s) who recruits a revolving door of bi-girls to keep things interesting. He knows everything worth knowing about scoring in Ukraine.
A wise monger should sit at his feet and take notes from the master!
No I don't, I don't know you. I just don't like self named experts in any kind of situation of life. (wink)"Originally Posted by Irish Lad [View Original Post]
You calling me a loser?)"
Member #4491
04-09-13, 17:47
Let's not start sucking each other's ducks quite yet, gentlemen. What works for IL might not work for LJ.
That was just a bad excuse to get to use that colorful quote by Mr Wolfe, so never mind it.
What I really meant to say was that poor Barba must stay in ponnani paradise (Asia that is right now) a couple of weeks more. Got to go back to Philippines. So J and others waiting for an email, pleas be patient. I will not leave you hanging for your virgin trip to UA. Just like Santa, Barba likes to give to the kind ones. As long as I also receive.
Second week in May I will be in Kharkov and Kiev. The Knight if you read this, you know that no excuses is good enough. I will slap you with a pair of used under wears if you do not show up. 007 I am counting on you as well and I will have a whole bag of used undies. Would be fun to meet some of you other (in) famous ISG:ers. I met a few ISG members over the years and very few where into the penis size measuring sometimes going on here. Most of the ones I met are now friends or even good friends, that I can share this secret but so juicy part of life with.
B in BKK.
Let's not start sucking each other's ducks quite yet, gentlemen. What works for IL might not work for LJ.Guys) My comments are only lighthearted. There can be no experts as far as second guessing women is involved but especially in Ukraine. A girl all over you like a rash one week can not reply to your SMS's again or maybe 1 reply from her 2 weeks after banging her "My life has changed, I am now married".
The only wisdom I can offer is to do what I did 7 years ago and stop thinking about what the agenda is. You will never guess it correctly anyway. I sure as couldn't.
Thanks for the kind words. That will help me survive the next 2 weeks on my own in Kiev)
Taking Paddy to RIO and Vodka bar tomorrow. Or maybe Shooters as it will be Wednesday. Any suggestions? ( Joke)
Member #4491
04-09-13, 18:44
When readingn IL's post I can not help to think of Young Masha who has a bf and does not want my money. Why does she sit and wait for me on VK? Why does she go out of her way to see me? Sex is great but she is 19 and I could be her dad. Is she just an attention starved nerd, bored with her physics studies and her shitty cheap life? It puzzles me. She knows I am almost married. In any case she is really sweet and I can actually feel a light stir inside when I think of her silk soft, wet, warm, sweet smelling, tight teen vagina. This is the second girl I have met in UA that is not a p4p or semi pro girl. I can easily see how a man can get lost here forever. Lovely feminin creaturs. Like pinays with brains and bigger ass.
A coupe of weeks ago I had one of my female friends in Davao saying to me "wait, she is too tight for you since she is a virgin. Let me play with her clitoris and make her wet before you press it in". After I fucked her and filled her ultra tight young (just legal) pussy with cum, I concluded that she was not a virgin and she admitted that she had sex with a guy some months ago. It was still an extremely erotic experience to open this young, shy, tight girl while her big sisters best friend "helped" her to get wet and ready and to open her legs so I could access her small vagina. It took just seconds before she was dripping wet, with her tiny nipples erect. All three of is naked under the sheet, Barba slowly working t-rex ball deep in her little pussy, and her breathing heavily from lust.
Being a serial monger and sex addict I naturally want to bury my cock in a virgin or almost virgin in UA as well, but this seems to be light years away. Or at least years away. It takes time and devotion to build networks. Have two 19 year old girls that I will see (and have seen). Inexperienced but I am not the first, that is for sure. I will not ask anyone here to share contacts with such a girl, since I know it is a bigger chance to win the lottery. But maybe some juicy story? Am I the only one that likes to fuck inexperienced teens (as well as experienced f*ck artists)? I know some guys like to take what they think is moral high ground and full of pride state that they prefer someone that is 25 and well trained, but I always think that this is either because they can not get anyone younger or because the guy does not have knowledge or stamina to do the work. Maybe I am wrong but this is what I think always.
B.
DoctorOral
04-10-13, 08:29
Barba,
Clear your fucking (mail) box!
When readingn IL's post I can not help to think of Young Masha who has a bf and does not want my money. Why does she sit and wait for me on VK? Why does she go out of her way to see me? Sex is great but she is 19 and I could be her dad. Is she just an attention starved nerd, bored with her physics studies and her shitty cheap life? It puzzles me. She knows I am almost married. In any case she is really sweet and I can actually feel a light stir inside when I think of her silk soft, wet, warm, sweet smelling, tight teen vagina. This is the second girl I have met in UA that is not a p4p or semi pro girl. I can easily see how a man can get lost here forever. Lovely feminin creaturs. Like pinays with brains and bigger ass.
B.
Jorge Rad10
04-10-13, 21:06
Hi pals.
I'm coming to Kiev next month to meet some girl I got contact through some websites, I could consider them as semi pro but you never know. My fear is about people from ukraine against brown people, I have latino roots and I heard many weirds stories about murders and intolerance people. So please let me know where I should stay in Kiev and another information is more than welcome
Best
Global Surfer
04-12-13, 02:08
Hi pals.
I'm coming to Kiev next month to meet some girl I got contact through some websites, I could consider them as semi pro but you never know. My fear is about people from ukraine against brown people, I have latino roots and I heard many weirds stories about murders and intolerance people. So please let me know where I should stay in Kiev and another information is more than welcome
BestUkraine and Russia may be more violent than Western Europe but probably still safer than many cities in South America, Africa or Asia. I have noticed once in Caribbean, a couple of guys making inappropriate gesture towards two Swedish blacks. They were promptly removed by the over aggressive bouncers.
I think as long as you use your common sense, stick to the city centre and arrange meetings in public places you should be OK.
I suggest you meet at public places or your hotel unless you know the girl personally. I would definitely not go to someone house unless I know them personally or through a reference regardless of their colour, ethnicity, religion or country.
July? Rule one: cis people do not plan the future. They take a million now and do not wait until next week to have two.
Be nice, not agressive. You have lots of time. Compliment the girls, build a list of somewhat 100 favorites and then days before you go massmail them all with copypaste and fix the date. And get their number then. The real girls will not disappear, only the fake ones go. It is very hard to get the number off a girl for next weekend. It is now, or not!
Don't overpay. 100 is a good basis, usually one hour. I tend to agree the price, then tell them they must stay 2-3 hours just before meeting me. 90 perc. Agreeto that.
You come in a bad time. Rent is paid by then, and next rent is faaaaar away (see cis mentality above)
Do not ask for services. They all think they are not hookers, and you would not ask a student on the street for the menue, but just take her home and see what happens. You can find girls who do BBBJ, most do, or pissing (rare) , or true lesbian (rare, as not really accepted in cis). All that belongs to the second date anyhow.
Do not worry about your friend. In some weeks, you have enough numbers to set him up.
Be polize, now spend ime on compliments, build trust, then hit (see above) 3 weeks before going.
Summer in Kiev is easy. You will find a nice girl on the street if you are unlucky on manba. Or at the beaches.
Do not 'book' girls in advance, you will regret' every agenda gets fucked up in cis, they are always late. And you will mess up. Do not agree with one girl for 2-3 days in a row, you will get bored and regret as you will see others.Just catching up with the Kyiv thread after a long while away, and a few new names I see. I have to say this is one of the best posts I read in a while from someone I don't know! All very sound advice.
If my previous post came across as promoting Budda bar it was not my intention, I agree that the place is shit I was simply trying to say that although the girls their ask for lots of money you don't have to pay what they want if you are prepared to put a little time and effort in. As I wrote before the best place to find p4p in Kiev is everywhere. I have found girls in every pub and nightclub I have been in, I use Mamba and some of the escort sites mentioned on this forum. Talking to girls in the street and coffee shops also works. As for your quote about slavic girls being very vain and proper I have to agree, (I was married to one for 5 years). I would have to describe myself as fat, bald and fugly. I dress ok but I'm not a dedicated follower of fashion. (Maybe this is the secret to success in Kiev because I do very well there) with both freebies and cheap p4p. My Russian language ability is around 10 words and Ukrainian 0. But I do understand women. Regarding Kiev as being an expensive place to live as a westerner I would say that apart from the accommodation it is no more expensive than living at home.StevK, apartments same as at home? They are great and cheap. Especially if you develop relationship with an agency as a frequent visitor. And you can eat really well in Puzata Hata or similar places for a pittance. Even the pivo's cheap here, and now it's even easier for tourists as most dishes have English translations alongside Ukr. And boy was it difficult a few years ago!
Buddha Bar. Yep shit. Cruiser D, Hunter Dave, Barba, LJ. There is a reason none of the most helpful and informative people here don't write about BB.
And more than physical looks, it is about confidence and dress sense in Kyiv with devushki. You can be short fat and bald, but dress well, act confident, and you will still do ok.
And coffee shops are perfect. So easy to politely hit on girls. I have such fond memories of one encounter when I fancied one girl on a table of 4 giggling students, and ended up with her and her friend in my bed."a present" only mentioned when we were in a taxi on the way back to my apartment!
But SHota Rostaveli is my failure. One gorgeous waitress in a coffee shop, and one super sexy in a snack restaurant on there, and despite chats, smiles, SMS, I did not manage to get either into bed. Note to self: I really should steer clear of the workers and stick to studentki.
Just catching up on the forums.
Saw some people posting about the "asking for rent money."
I have been chatting with some girls on mamba, actually just looking for normal dates and getting to know people for travel.
I had one girl I spoke with a couple of times do the "I need money for rent" thing. Big emergency of course, going to get thrown out. Anyway I told her sorry I didn't run around sending western union to people I don't know. That got an explosion of "you think all girls are out for money" etc. Complete over reaction.
Too bad as she was a nice looking girl. I didn't bother responding just blocked her. More people should do this and then maybe it would stop, but it's got to be working with some guys or else it wouldn't be catching on like a fever.
Next thing you know they're going to be asking for money to help with the sick water buffalo back on the farm.Nu the. Same as the "marriage agencies".
I know girls who have profiles on some of the more respectable ones, and some girls who work for these agencies just spend all day writing pretending to be one of the girls, and the sad victims pay for each letter they send and each one they read I believe.
The translators in some agencies are told to ask for cash for rent, or mother's operation, or the water buffalo!
And the girls quickly learn they can do it just as well as the agencies and get all the money themselves.
But hey. Survival of the fittest. If guys are stupid enough to pay for marriage agencies, or letters, or send money to some fake they don't even know exists, then let them waste their money.
It's silly how stacked up you can get on the last day.
On the last day of my last trip to Kiev I said fck it. Girls wanted to meet and I just told them to come but there might be other girls here, I'm a popular man and it's my last night in Kiev. At one point I had four girls in my apartment at the same time. Starting from 0400 that morning I had 4 girls, spaced a few hours apart, the night ended in a threesome. It was awesome.
The new crop of rent girls don't want to practice fair trade, they just want to 'borrow' rent money.Pizdets! Cruiser. Only once a year do I read something and think "fuck, why didn't I think of that?"
Awesome. Agree it's probably harder now, but I will try the tactic next month!
Indeed I could be having 2 or 3 "last nights")
When readingn IL's post I can not help to think of Young Masha who has a bf and does not want my money. Why does she sit and wait for me on VK? Why does she go out of her way to see me? Sex is great but she is 19 and I could be her dad. Is she just an attention starved nerd, bored with her physics studies and her shitty cheap life? It puzzles me. She knows I am almost married. In any case she is really sweet and I can actually feel a light stir inside when I think of her silk soft, wet, warm, sweet smelling, tight teen vagina. This is the second girl I have met in UA that is not a p4p or semi pro girl. I can easily see how a man can get lost here forever. Lovely feminin creaturs. Like pinays with brains and bigger ass.
A coupe of weeks ago I had one of my female friends in Davao saying to me "wait, she is too tight for you since she is a virgin. Let me play with her clitoris and make her wet before you press it in". After I fucked her and filled her ultra tight young (just legal) pussy with cum, I concluded that she was not a virgin and she admitted that she had sex with a guy some months ago. It was still an extremely erotic experience to open this young, shy, tight girl while her big sisters best friend "helped" her to get wet and ready and to open her legs so I could access her small vagina. It took just seconds before she was dripping wet, with her tiny nipples erect. All three of is naked under the sheet, Barba slowly working t-rex ball deep in her little pussy, and her breathing heavily from lust.
Being a serial monger and sex addict I naturally want to bury my cock in a virgin or almost virgin in UA as well, but this seems to be light years away. Or at least years away. It takes time and devotion to build networks. Have two 19 year old girls that I will see (and have seen). Inexperienced but I am not the first, that is for sure. I will not ask anyone here to share contacts with such a girl, since I know it is a bigger chance to win the lottery. But maybe some juicy story? Am I the only one that likes to fuck inexperienced teens (as well as experienced f*ck artists)? I know some guys like to take what they think is moral high ground and full of pride state that they prefer someone that is 25 and well trained, but I always think that this is either because they can not get anyone younger or because the guy does not have knowledge or stamina to do the work. Maybe I am wrong but this is what I think always.
B.Haha, BarbaP you know me. We are of similar mind and wicked intentions.
Legal and inexperienced is the goal. I thought I found such a girl (table of 3 shy stunners in some cheap restaurant last visit) but during a great evening, some touching, outrageous flirting, and exchange of numbers and vK details, I checked her profile when I was in the toilet and found she was 17, and one of her friends 16. Christ they really looked 19-20 as they said they were.
I made a swift exit fearing some tap on the shoulder and a blackmail situation or worse. I don't know whether to be thankful or not for vK, but next day I got a message from one of her friends who was there with us telling me I was "a sicko".
Pizdets! Cruiser. Only once a year do I read something and think "fuck, why didn't I think of that?"
Awesome. Agree it's probably harder now, but I will try the tactic next month!
Indeed I could be having 2 or 3 "last nights") As I also posted. It's a game changer."Scarcity" only creates demand. If they say "not on the 1st night", don't forget to say "1st night? It's your only night"
Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.
Member #4491
04-13-13, 19:53
Barba,
Clear your fucking (mail) box!Mailbox cleared.
B.
Global Surfer
04-14-13, 01:36
Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.Very brief, very informative FR Excellent. I am planning to visit in May or early June and would certainly try it. The minimum I got from Budha bar was USD 150 for two hours. These prices were only available on mamba or certian web sites
Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.Your info seems mixed up, or has a typo. The Vodka Bar is open from 12 noon until 6:00 AM. So in your post you are perforce saying that the student girls you speak of are staying at the club until around 11:30 PM in the evening (since the club is not open at 11:30 AM in the morning). If so your next statement makes no sense, when you say this is because these student girls must go to University at 12:00. You can't be referring to 12:00 AM or midnite, since the university is not having classes in the middle of the night. So you must be referring to 12:00 PM or 12:00 noon. If so, what are you saying? That student girls stay at the Vodka Bar until 11:30 PM in the evening because they must go to university at 12 noon the next day? It makes no sense. So please correct whatever typo or error there is in your reporting, because otherwise we will have to assume that the rest of your representations are bullshit also.
Very brief, very informative FR Excellent. I am planning to visit in May or early June and would certainly try it. The minimum I got from Budha bar was USD 150 for two hours. These prices were only available on mamba or certian web sitesAnother suspect report. If people were getting low prices like $150/2hours at Buddha Bar, no one would be complaining. Your claim of getting a price of $150/2 hours at Buddha Bar, stands in stark contrast of most others who report much higher prices being demanded by the prima donna p4p girls who routinely inhabit this club and demand high prices such as $500 / hour or $400 / hour which maybe can be negotiated down to $300/2 hours, making these girls a worse investment than girls at a strip club. If even $200/2 hours was routinely possible at the Buddha Bar, it would not have been placed on the Cruiser D "no go" list of places, as it would have remained comparable to other clubs he recommended. So your claims of getting prices of $150/2hours at Buddha Bar mean that either things there have suddenly radically changed for an unknown reason, or that you are the best negotiator with prostitutes that ever lived, or that there is a typo in your report, or that it is inaccurate.
Therefore, confirmation from other reports by other members is needed to confirm the facts existing at Buddha Bar. Have the prices for p4p at Buddha Bar gone down radically from an approximate minimum of $300/2hours to a lower more acceptable rate of $200/2 hours or even below that to $150/2hours as claimed by Global Surfer. If the prices have gone down at Buddha Bar as claimed, then it should be a club that is recommended as ok for mongering, and should not be scorned as too high priced. (Sorry, not liking the decor of a club is not sufficient reason to remove a club from recommended places to monger when the girls are beautiful and the prices acceptable.) Have things changed for the better at Buddha Bar as claimed by Global Surfer?
Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.I presume you mean they stay all night with you (Until 11:30) as they then go to university.
Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.There is certainly a mini crisis going on at the moment. Prices lower, girls more actively seeking help etc.
I can't confirm the BB prices as I have no intention of going there again. Barmen think they have celebrity status. Girls have pussies of gold. On a research mission there a few years ago. 1 girl quoted $300 which I politely declined. Her response was "Why, $300 is too much for you?" with some serious attitude. I just said "No, $300 is too much for you". I am almost never rude to the girls and usually reply "No thank you, I live in Kiev". They know the meaning of that.
The truth is that only about 10% of "working girls" are really hard core. Often enough, good treatment, some respect and a good time will get you the semi-pros for free. Maybe not the 1st time but usually on 2nd or 3rd meetings. There would be some motivation in them acting like this, it could be that their flat mate needs the apartment to herself that night, it could be that the rent has already been paid and they are "off the clock" so to speak or it could be that their hostel, which they share with 5 other girls has no TV and want to watch something on yours. Who cares the reason, just go with the flow.
Poker Player 2
04-14-13, 21:26
Dear IL,
I am still smiling at your quote "No, $300 is too much for YOU". Unless you are claiming some kind of copy right, I shall use this quote as the occassion arises. I agree, there is not point being rude to girls or even guys really. The only point that comes to my mind is that I met a girl at Avalon last summer who was quoting me $150 for a couple of hours and was telling me she has to charge $300 at the infamous Budda Bar as the security there are very greedy and the girls have to adjust what they charge the clients accordingly. I am not sure this is true or not but there you have it.
Many thanks for sharing!
There is certainly a mini crisis going on at the moment. Prices lower, girls more actively seeking help etc.
I can't confirm the BB prices as I have no intention of going there again. Barmen think they have celebrity status. Girls have pussies of gold. On a research mission there a few years ago. 1 girl quoted $300 which I politely declined. Her response was "Why, $300 is too much for you?" with some serious attitude. I just said "No, $300 is too much for you". I am almost never rude to the girls and usually reply "No thank you, I live in Kiev". They know the meaning of that.
The truth is that only about 10% of "working girls" are really hard core. Often enough, good treatment, some respect and a good time will get you the semi-pros for free. Maybe not the 1st time but usually on 2nd or 3rd meetings. There would be some motivation in them acting like this, it could be that their flat mate needs the apartment to herself that night, it could be that the rent has already been paid and they are "off the clock" so to speak or it could be that their hostel, which they share with 5 other girls has no TV and want to watch something on yours. Who cares the reason, just go with the flow.
Your info seems mixed up, or has a typo. The Vodka Bar is open from 12 noon until 6:00 AM. So in your post you are perforce saying that the student girls you speak of are staying at the club until around 11:30 PM in the evening (since the club is not open at 11:30 AM in the morning). If so your next statement makes no sense, when you say this is because these student girls must go to University at 12:00. You can't be referring to 12:00 AM or midnite, since the university is not having classes in the middle of the night. So you must be referring to 12:00 PM or 12:00 noon. If so, what are you saying? That student girls stay at the Vodka Bar until 11:30 PM in the evening because they must go to university at 12 noon the next day? It makes no sense. So please correct whatever typo or error there is in your reporting, because otherwise we will have to assume that the rest of your representations are bullshit also.IL suggests you meant the student girls stay with you AT YOUR APARTMENT until 11:30 AM, because they must go to university at 12:00 noon.
My experience with girls who are actually studying at the university is that they need to leave early in the morning because their classes begin early in the morning, just like other universities in the rest of the world.
But then, I never looked into when Ukrainian universities actually start their classes.
Maybe IL knows better because he lives there in Ukraine and he did look into it. But it's really hard to believe that it could be true that in Ukraine they are so lazy ass, that they start university classes at 12:00 noon? I really don't think so. But if it were true, it might explain some things about the state of things in the country.
Those agencies that offer outrageously expensive apartments are outdated and totally useless now that there's Airbnb.Agree with Prosal and Yellowpaul. I have used Airbnb in several countries and have always been happy.
Global Surfer
04-15-13, 01:47
Another suspect report. If people were getting low prices like $150/2hours at Buddha Bar, no one would be complaining. Your claim of getting a price of $150/2 hours at Buddha Bar, stands in stark contrast of most others who report much higher prices being demanded by the prima donna p4p girls who routinely inhabit this club and demand high prices such as $500 / hour or $400 / hour which maybe can be negotiated down to $300/2 hours, making these girls a worse investment than girls at a strip club. If even $200/2 hours was routinely possible at the Buddha Bar, it would not have been placed on the Cruiser D "no go" list of places, as it would have remained comparable to other clubs he recommended. So your claims of getting prices of $150/2hours at Buddha Bar mean that either things there have suddenly radically changed for an unknown reason, or that you are the best negotiator with prostitutes that ever lived, or that there is a typo in your report, or that it is inaccurate.
Therefore, confirmation from other reports by other members is needed to confirm the facts existing at Buddha Bar. Have the prices for p4p at Buddha Bar gone down radically from an approximate minimum of $300/2hours to a lower more acceptable rate of $200/2 hours or even below that to $150/2hours as claimed by Global Surfer. If the prices have gone down at Buddha Bar as claimed, then it should be a club that is recommended as ok for mongering, and should not be scorned as too high priced. (Sorry, not liking the decor of a club is not sufficient reason to remove a club from recommended places to monger when the girls are beautiful and the prices acceptable.) Have things changed for the better at Buddha Bar as claimed by Global Surfer?I have visited Kiev only three times in my life and total 3 + 4 + 2 days and last time it was May 2012. Budha bar is very convenient for me as I used to stay in Kyreshetic Hotel. Budha bar does not have all stunners or any extra ordinary talent. Usually a few sitting / dancing with their clients / boy friends and 7-10 standing along the bar. Some of them are regular visitor of Caribbean (may be others) and also advertise on Mamba. If you read my report in 2011 I think mentioned that the same girl advertises for USD 100 on mamba. It is true that normally they ask for USD 200-300 but they are always open to negotiation. I don't think they can always manage to get that sort of money every day or even most of the days. If that is the case then you would never find them offering themselves for USD 300 in Dubai and even cheaper in Bangkok and Kualalampur
Dear IL,
I am still smiling at your quote "No, $300 is too much for YOU". Unless you are claiming some kind of copy right, I shall use this quote as the occassion arises. I agree, there is not point being rude to girls or even guys really. The only point that comes to my mind is that I met a girl at Avalon last summer who was quoting me $150 for a couple of hours and was telling me she has to charge $300 at the infamous Budda Bar as the security there are very greedy and the girls have to adjust what they charge the clients accordingly. I am not sure this is true or not but there you have it.
Many thanks for sharing!Welcome to use it in circumstances where the girl has been insulting to you.
Hi Guys,
Any new saloons or private houses with good quality girls in city center?
Tel. Numbers are very appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Naykan
DoctorOral
04-16-13, 18:04
Naykan,
It seems you have not tried the known ones. At least not according to your (nonexistant) reports.
So read the forum again and go for these. Then let us know what you are missing. I'll help you out!
Hi Guys,
Any new saloons or private houses with good quality girls in city center?
Tel. Numbers are very appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Naykan
I found this site, run it with google chrome and it will translate the page.
http://kiev.ukrgo.com/view_subsection.php?id_subsection=146
Seems some many girls adveritising there but they could be connected to salons.
I am thinking of trying the next time I am in Kiev
Reiner Otto
04-17-13, 22:55
But it's really hard to believe that it could be true that in Ukraine they are so lazy ass, that they start university classes at 12:00 noon? I really don't think so. But if it were true, it might explain some things about the state of things in the country.Regular lectures start about 7:30-8:00. However, there are quite a lot of "remote students" in UA. Usually, they only have to attend lectures personally during a few weeks, and for the exams. A friend of mine, living in Cherson, she studies in Kiev this way, and spends about 2 months / year in Kiev only. But there might be other "students" of this type, spending much more time in the capital. And needing the sponsor (s) for it.
DoctorOral
04-18-13, 07:24
Ugro works. Fine for me!
DoctorOral
04-18-13, 11:49
That is http://ebiteua.com/
There is good info in there, too. Use GTrans to see in english!
Ugro works. Fine for me!
Naykan,
It seems you have not tried the known ones. At least not according to your (nonexistant) reports.
So read the forum again and go for these. Then let us know what you are missing. I'll help you out!When I was in Kiev, I was only at Rio.
Sallons numbers mentioned already here not working any more.
Regular lectures start about 7:30-8:00. However, there are quite a lot of "remote students" in UA. Usually, they only have to attend lectures personally during a few weeks, and for the exams. A friend of mine, living in Cherson, she studies in Kiev this way, and spends about 2 months / year in Kiev only. But there might be other "students" of this type, spending much more time in the capital. And needing the sponsor (s) for it.Hi Reiner, I think the girl could have been referring (earnestly or as a pretention) to the house rule of some student's dormitories, where you have to be "at home" before midnight. Not that she has to attend lectures at 12 o'clock noon. Also, there might be parents or their representatives monitoring the life of those freebie girls. At least, this what I have understood when girls have told me they cannot stay into the night, but want (prefer) to return next day. And want to be sponsored! Does all UA the same time zone?
Hi all,
I have been reading this forum and find it very helpful. So I thought I would try to write my findings a bit too.
I am in Kiev. Meeting about 2-3 mamba girls a day. I have no idea how to meet more. Not sure why, almost all of them say they are looking for serious relationship. I also met one p4p who was a troll (completely different from photos). I am wondering is "serious relationship" just a "cover up" way of saying something else? Or am I just somehow talking to the civilians all the time? The legendary "semi-pros" seem quite elusive.
Being unsuccessful with mamba, I used GIA agency, and RIO club. I know, I know, it is way too expensive and not a good deal. Many forum members suggest against it. However, having to choose between no pussy at all and expensive pussy, I chose the latter.
From RIO I had a good time with someone named Katia I think. However, one disadvantage I find with RIO girls is that they are quite "worn out" if you take them out later in the night. I did take out at 4am and the girl was really quite tired. She said if I take her out at 8pm or 9pm, it will be "all nighter" and will cost $500.
From GIA I tried two girls. Photos are photoshopped but otherwise accurate. Age seems reasonably accurate too. The two GIA girls I tried both had excellent attitude. Maybe it was just my dumb luck.
On a side note, want to thank forum members for excellent posts that saved me a lot of hassles. I was walking in city center late at around 3am or 4am, and crossed the street without using the underground tunnel (because there was no car and I did not see the tunnels). I did not see that there war a police car on the street there. So 3 policemen came out of the car and stopped me. Asked for my documents. They told me I must go into their police car. However, thanks to tips on this forum, I had US Embassy emergency number written on my passport copy paper. I told them that I would call the US Embassy to help me. Then when I was about to call, they just said "Have a good night" and let me go.
In that way, this country is indeed a bit crazy. The talent here are all crazy hot too!
Entel Cuce
04-20-13, 08:15
Hi everyone,
First of all, I would like to thank you for all your contributions. I read lots of posts from this thread and I believe that they will be so helpful when I get there this may. However, I have few questions about strip bars. Can someone explain the "rules" in strip bars? For example in private, is okay to touch the girl? In US it was okay, unless you touch pussy. In Australia it was illegal to touch her.
Thank you all
Hi Reiner, I think the girl could have been referring (earnestly or as a pretention) to the house rule of some student's dormitories, where you have to be "at home" before midnight. Not that she has to attend lectures at 12 o'clock noon. Also, there might be parents or their representatives monitoring the life of those freebie girls. At least, this what I have understood when girls have told me they cannot stay into the night, but want (prefer) to return next day. And want to be sponsored! Does all UA the same time zone?It used to be that they had to return before midnight or not until after 6 AM. Sometimes the "Concierge" in the dorms would take 20 UAH to break the rule, sometimes the families would check up on their daughters. Sometimes it's just BS anyway.
Attending lectures by 12 may or may not be true. It's possible the 1st lecture of the day is at 12:00 depending on what course they take. Remote studying is very common with the students only having to turn up at certain times throughout the year. Often just at exam results time to complete their "graduation".
Hi all,
I have been reading this forum and find it very helpful. So I thought I would try to write my findings a bit too.
I am in Kiev. Meeting about 2-3 mamba girls a day. I have no idea how to meet more. Not sure why, almost all of them say they are looking for serious relationship. I also met one p4p who was a troll (completely different from photos). I am wondering is "serious relationship" just a "cover up" way of saying something else? Or am I just somehow talking to the civilians all the time? The legendary "semi-pros" seem quite elusive.They are all civilians just sometimes have different agendas at different times.
Ukraine is a country of contradictions. On one hand you will meet girls too proud to take taxi fare from you and anyway they use the metro etc and on the other hand you will meet the players.
You won't always get it right as there are so many variations of the scams.
Here are some for you:-
I wrote to one girl on Mamba with an address in Kiev. She telephoned me to say she didn't live in Kiev "I live in a village 700 KMS from Kiev but could come to Kiev if I sent her money for plane ticket" I declined.
1 year later I got another call, She said we talked before etc and could come to Kiev if I sent her money for plane ticket. I declined again.
1 year later I got a call saying she could come to Kiev but I could pay money after she came for her plane ticket, I declined. So. She is coming to Kiev anyway and looking for as many men to pay her plane tickets, or she always lived in Kiev and wanted the same. Your guess is as good as mine.
Another girl I met in Fridays apologized for being late but the taxi takes an hour as she lives so far from Kiev. I said I thought she lived in Kiev and she said "No. I told you I lived in another city and taxi was 200 UAH each way" After I finished laughing I opened Mamba on my iPhone and scrolled through it as she got nervous to show her that she is lying. I told her to go and she asked "why?". I gave my usual answer "You know why". That sorts that out.
Reiner Otto
04-20-13, 22:03
Does all UA the same time zone?Yes. It's not Russia.
They are all civilians just sometimes have different agendas at different times.
Another girl I met in Fridays apologized for being late but the taxi takes an hour as she lives so far from Kiev. I said I thought she lived in Kiev and she said "No. I told you I lived in another city and taxi was 200 UAH each way".Thank you for the comments Irish Lad, very interesting.
I had a similar experience with a pro-dater. She said she was looking for serious relationship. She took me to this expensive-ish place and during our conversation, she said she had to take a long-distance taxi 200 UAH each way. At the end of our meeting she asked me for taxi money to go home. She asked for 200 UAH. I gave her 50 UAH. Total damage was about 500 UAH (including my portion of the meal)
I really need to think about how to avoid this kind of situation again.
I think pro-daters are trolls and a liability for society.
On a separate note, staying city center has the disadvantage of there being a lot of police, who work AGAINST foreigners, not for them. The advantage is it is easy to tell girls where to meet. I am wondering what is a good place to stay where you can also arrange meetings easily without the disadvantage of all these police?
Thanks!
Thank you for the comments Irish Lad, very interesting.
I had a similar experience with a pro-dater. She said she was looking for serious relationship. She took me to this expensive-ish place and during our conversation, she said she had to take a long-distance taxi 200 UAH each way. At the end of our meeting she asked me for taxi money to go home. She asked for 200 UAH. I gave her 50 UAH. Total damage was about 500 UAH (including my portion of the meal)
I really need to think about how to avoid this kind of situation again.
I think pro-daters are trolls and a liability for society.
On a separate note, staying city center has the disadvantage of there being a lot of police, who work AGAINST foreigners, not for them. The advantage is it is easy to tell girls where to meet. I am wondering what is a good place to stay where you can also arrange meetings easily without the disadvantage of all these police?
Thanks!It's possible to avoid in advance but not always.
That "she took" you to a restaurant is a mistake. I sometimes allow them to suggest a restaurant and decide from their answer what their motive is. The serial daters often suggest the top restaurants to go to. Any normal girl will agree to meet where ever the man decides.
Also, any normal girl would never ask for 200 UAH taxi fare. That's just nonsense. I wouldn't have even given her 50 kopeks. I do pay normal taxi though except when driver tells her 30 UAH and she then says 50 to me. I just laugh and tell them safe home. If they then ask "How I pay taxi?" just reply with "standard payment". They will understand.
Ignore the police. Best to stay in the centre but not the Maidan end. Police troll there.
Reiner Otto
04-22-13, 16:51
Total damage was about 500 UAH (including my portion of the meal)One story from Nikolaev, already a few years old: A friend of mine, also in town, called me up asking to participate in the dinner with 2 new girls, he picked up.
I said OK, and we met. One of the girls I have seen already before in one of the "known places", but anyway. We asked the girls, where to go to, they suggested a Sushi bar, but I hate it, and insisted on a grill restaurant. So the girls suggested a rather new one, I still wanted to explore, so I agreed. Food was good in the restaurant, girls ordered as much as possible, but ate only50, and also ordered Asti Spumante, not just the local champagne. Aha. First girl had to leave then, second had to go a bit later, but proposed to use her "Discount Card", at least for us two guys paying the bill getting some reduction. She disappeared; the bill was presented: About 1200 UHA. The interesting part was, that the bill was printed onto two stripes of paper. The first one listed all dishes, the second one just listed VAT and final payment and some blabla.
Although the 1200UHA seemed a bit to high for me, we payed and left.
Outside, I checked the bill in detail, counting all the items on the list: They charged us exactly 300UHA too much!
Obviously. 300UHA had been cut off between the 2 paper stripes.
Back into the restaurant, ready to start a skandal, because still a few other foreigners around. Called the manager, had to wait a few minutes, and then she excused
"A problem with the computer" and refunded the 300UHA without any discussion.
Go figure.
One story from Nikolaev, already a few years old: A friend of mine, also in town, called me up asking to participate in the dinner with 2 new girls, he picked up.
I said OK, and we met. One of the girls I have seen already before in one of the "known places", but anyway. We asked the girls, where to go to, they suggested a Sushi bar, but I hate it, and insisted on a grill restaurant. So the girls suggested a rather new one, I still wanted to explore, so I agreed. Food was good in the restaurant, girls ordered as much as possible, but ate only50, and also ordered Asti Spumante, not just the local champagne. Aha. First girl had to leave then, second had to go a bit later, but proposed to use her "Discount Card", at least for us two guys paying the bill getting some reduction. She disappeared; the bill was presented: About 1200 UHA. The interesting part was, that the bill was printed onto two stripes of paper. The first one listed all dishes, the second one just listed VAT and final payment and some blabla.
Although the 1200UHA seemed a bit to high for me, we payed and left.
Outside, I checked the bill in detail, counting all the items on the list: They charged us exactly 300UHA too much!
Obviously. 300UHA had been cut off between the 2 paper stripes.
Back into the restaurant, ready to start a skandal, because still a few other foreigners around. Called the manager, had to wait a few minutes, and then she excused
"A problem with the computer" and refunded the 300UHA without any discussion.
Go figure.Sure, the 300 went to the 2 girls probably.
900 now for 4 people would still be expensive I guess in Nikolaev but a few years ago would have been outrageous.
Your point is valid. Beware anywhere a girl (or 2) suggests. Odessa is famous for that. I know guys ripped off in back street cafes.
The bill was presented: About 1200 UHA. The interesting part was, that the bill was printed onto two stripes of paper. The first one listed all dishes, the second one just listed VAT and final payment and some blabla. Although the 1200UHA seemed a bit to high for me, we payed and left.1200 UAH is a normal price for a nice restaurant. What did you expect? Four people, meal (meat) and alcohol. And two different bills is also normal. One for the drinks (bar) and one for the kitchen. Most restaurants in the ukraine have seperate bills for this (as long as you don't go to McDonalds or Puzata Hata).
Do you think the girls get some money from the restaurant? I don't think so. They just wanted to cheat some foreigners. The restaurant with the bill and the girls with a free meal.
Reiner Otto
04-22-13, 20:58
1200 UAH is a normal price for a nice restaurant.I wrote "a few years ago". And Nikolaev is not Kiev. Looks like you are the perfect victim.
The girls got a kickback. But with a very simple trick, even. Now it is better organized: Kickback is charged to the "Discount Card".
Hi,
I am my third time in Ukraine and enjoying the forum a lot. Again trying to Mamba-Party and just writing a very nice and polite email to the girls in English and Russian (translated) , but after 2 days using Mamba my profile gets blocked by the Administrator.
Really annoying spending hours of uploading photos and writing to just get that account blocked for no reason. I just noticed that some girls block you right away after getting your first message and I think some of them just don't speak or read English, get annoyed and block you directly. And there is some sort of report going to the Mamba-administrators who think probably that you are like going crazy insulting all those girls.
There is just no offense or proposition in my first email-contact. Any idea what happens here, because if that practise of the girls goes on like that, we all getting our accounts blocked in one or another way.
Any similar experiences or any suggestions? Waiting for the response and feedback from their support.
Keep on the good work.
1200 UAH is a normal price for a nice restaurant. What did you expect? Four people, meal (meat) and alcohol. And two different bills is also normal. One for the drinks (bar) and one for the kitchen. Most restaurants in the ukraine have seperate bills for this (as long as you don't go to McDonalds or Puzata Hata).
Do you think the girls get some money from the restaurant? I don't think so. They just wanted to cheat some foreigners. The restaurant with the bill and the girls with a free meal.3 years ago 1, 200 UAH was $260. Very expensive for a restaurant in Nikolaev. 300 probably went 3 ways. 100 each for the girls and 100 for the waiter. Reiner Otto would be the local expert. Some, not most, restaurants do have separate bills but it's not the norm. Either way the total was wrong.
Hi everyone,
First of all, I would like to thank you for all your contributions. I read lots of posts from this thread and I believe that they will be so helpful when I get there this may. However, I have few questions about strip bars. Can someone explain the "rules" in strip bars? For example in private, is okay to touch the girl? In US it was okay, unless you touch pussy. In Australia it was illegal to touch her.
Thank you allThere is no hard and fast rule.
From my experience you can either
1) touch them all over (some girls even allow fingers inside, but increasingly unusual these days). Anyway girl will let you know. If it's important to you, just say before you agree to go for a private dance that you want total access to her pussy.
Or.
2) take your cock out and wank while they dance and they will keep a bit more distance. However one girl in a now closed club did help my wank one time!
Of clubs still open I have taken option 2 in Penthouse and the Rhino in Podol when bored!
Price is the same.
Ignore the police. Best to stay in the centre but not the Maidan end. Police troll there.There is a militsiya HQ near Red Lion strip bar, through the arch from Kreshchatyk. And another office at bottom of Mikhailivska, by McDonalds in Maidan. In addition there is some sort of police / army place higher up errr. Think it's Zhitmoyrska.
Avoid these areas. Staying around Bessarabska / Basseina is usually free from hassle.
Or some nice places near Sport Palats metro, and on a nice spring day, it's a great walk up to Maidan as the girls cannot wait to cast off their winter wardrobe.
Chill Bill
04-25-13, 14:48
Just so you know, the older advanced search features are back on mamba.
Hi all,
Just want to report a possible (not 100% sure, just possible) scam on mamba.
Big red flag:
* girl showed up in city center in less than 20 minutes after communication.
* girl's mamba status is still "online" (not "online with mobile", just "online") the whole time, even when she shows up.
When the girl showed up, she insisted I must pay her ON THE STREET. Out in the day light. I said I would pay her inside apartment. She said no. I walked away.
I suspect, but cannot confirm, that if I did pay her on the street, some people claiming to be police might show up and give me big trouble. Or maybe, she will try to run away one way or another. Anyone else sees something like this? Please share.
Thank you,.E.
PS. The suspect:
http://www.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=1112105722
Hi Irish Lad and The Knight,
Thank you for the good tips about where to stay.
Just so you know, the older advanced search features are back on mamba.The iPhone application for Mamba seems to have caught up to the website internet version in an important aspect. In the iPhone application for Mamba, now, in addition to "Friendship, Relationship / Dating and Travel", now you can also add "Sex" to the part of your profile labeled: "Looking For:" While this may not be something to put in your own profile and leave it there indefinitely if you are searching for meetings with regular girls and freebies, nevertheless, it may become an easier way of locating p4p girls, because you can now search for girls who list "looking for sex" in their profiles. You can simply list "sex" as one of your "Looking For" items before doing the search. According to the site, only those girls who also list "Sex" in their "Looking For:" section, will be able to see the word "sex" in your profile. But if you want to be extra safe, then you can add it while doing searches, and then remove it from your profile when you're done searching and messaging the sex-seeking girls.
I prefer the iPhone Mamba application because it has a MUCH better photo display, with which you can also instantly enlarge an image with the flick if a finger, as well as easily go back and forth between Mamba and the Google Translate application when reading or composing messages. The remaining flaw continues to be the inability to copy the text written in profiles in order to translate it in Google Translate, as copying of text is not allowed. Unfortunately, copying of profile pictures is also not possible on an iPhone, or at least I haven't figured out how to do it. (On a regular computer, you can still do a "copy screen" to get a screen shot of the image on your screen.)
Hi all,
Just want to report a possible (not 100% sure, just possible) scam on mamba.
Big red flag:
* girl showed up in city center in less than 20 minutes after communication.
* girl's mamba status is still "online" (not "online with mobile", just "online") the whole time, even when she shows up.
When the girl showed up, she insisted I must pay her ON THE STREET. Out in the day light. I said I would pay her inside apartment. She said no. I walked away.
I suspect, but cannot confirm, that if I did pay her on the street, some people claiming to be police might show up and give me big trouble. Or maybe, she will try to run away one way or another. Anyone else sees something like this? Please share.
Thank you. E.
PS. The suspect:
http://www.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=1112105722Not heard of this. But good work. Good for being alert.
Remember the old adage, if something smells wrong, it is!
Not heard of this. But good work. Good for being alert.
Remember the old adage, if something smells wrong, it is!Very true, on the street or between the thighs!
DoctorOral
04-29-13, 14:32
Has anyone tried mira? Wonder if real. If yes, so cute!
http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=1113959004&afolder=album_photos&album_id=1113959005&#closed.
Very true, on the street or between the thighs!
Global Surfer
04-29-13, 18:20
When the girl showed up, she insisted I must pay her ON THE STREET. Out in the day light. I said I would pay her inside apartment.
http://www.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=1112105722Even if not outright scam my experience is you get poor service if pay in advance.
Admittedly no body ran away after I paid in advance but I never got decent service.
Please also note that this paying in advance applies to Dubai where you are in a much better position then wg.
I think no senior monger would recommend you doing that and although my experience in Kiev is limited nobody ever asked me to pay in advance except escort-model girls
Dear Friends,
I have been to Kiev 4 times and know how to approach the ladies either in person or through Mamba and some other sites.
Now I have the desire to make a porn movie with some of the ladies (for myself and some shots for ISG.) Does anyone have connections to agencies who provide girls who are willing to shoot a non commercial porn? Or any idea how to approach this new passion of mine?
Thank you!
Easyease
Don't ever use this site, or girls here. I invited Ares, but she was definitely not the girl on the picture. A lot fatter and shorter. Had a very attitude, asked for 1000 UAH initially, but advertised 600 UAH in the web.
http://sexkieva.com/en/gallery/98/
Anyway, I refused and she agreed with 600 UAH+ taxi. Very clumsy and unfriendly. I would not have gone for her if this was not my last day and opportunity!
Definitely to stay away from Ares. And the website in general!
N
Dear Friends,
I have been to Kiev 4 times and know how to approach the ladies either in person or through Mamba and some other sites.
Now I have the desire to make a porn movie with some of the ladies (for myself and some shots for ISG.) Does anyone have connections to agencies who provide girls who are willing to shoot a non commercial porn? Or any idea how to approach this new passion of mine?
Thank you!
EasyeaseHttp://terb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?322758-Anybody-know-where-do-find-European-porn-agencies&p=3421898&viewfull=1#post3421898
Hi Guys,
Sunday night I wanted to visit Rio at 9 pm.
I saw 4-5 policemen near to the club and they don't allow the clients in.
Next day I come back home.
Still wondering what is for?
Any ideas?
Thanks.
Naykan
Me and You
04-30-13, 15:10
Has anyone tried mira? Wonder if real. If yes, so cute!
http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=1113959004&afolder=album_photos&album_id=1113959005&
#closed.Hello Doctor yes she is real and I already met her in my previous visits as Masha. You could see my photos of her in photos gallery in September or October 2012. She is pretty and fun. But too skinny for me.
Good luck
DoctorOral
05-01-13, 13:24
Your mailbox is full. Must ask you something, so please clean up!
Hello Doctor yes she is real and I already met her in my previous visits as Masha. You could see my photos of her in photos gallery in September or October 2012. She is pretty and fun. But too skinny for me.
Good luck
Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.I visited Vodka-Bar last weekend, for the first time.
The girls there were extremely beautiful and sexy dressed.
Most seemed to be there with her boyfriend, or friends.
How can you discern which ones are prostitutes?
I went up to the second floor and saw a one girl who was sitting alone at a table, smoking.
I thought she was possibly a prostitute.
Smoking appears to be forbidden in the bar downstairs, very strange.
I sat down at the table next to hers, and asked the bartender for an ashtray.
He came with the ashtray and asked to borrow my lighter, no problem.
After a while the girl come and asked for fire, and I asked her to sit down.
She suggested instead that I would come to her table, ok.
She began by saying,"you have money problems."
I did not understand what she meant.
Shortly after came the bartender and wanted me to pay 1200UAH to sit at the table.
I stood up, walked away, back to the hotel.
The girl seemed to be mad at me, I do not know why.
I can hardly pay 1200UAH to sit down.
Very strange place.
What do you do, when you come into contact with prostitutes at Vodka-Bar?
Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.I visited Vodka-Bar last weekend, for the first time.
The girls there were extremely beautiful and sexy dressed. Most seemed to be there with her boyfriend, or friends.
How can you discern which ones are prostitutes?
I went up to the second floor and saw a one girl who was sitting alone at a table, smoking. I thought she was possibly a prostitute.
Smoking appears to be forbidden in the bar downstairs, very strange.
I sat down at the table next to hers, and asked the bartender for an ashtray. He came with the ashtray and asked to borrow my lighter, no problem.
After a while the girl come and asked for fire, and I asked her to sit down. She suggested instead that I would come to her table, ok.
She began by saying,"you have money problems." I did not understand what she meant. Shortly after came the bartender and wanted me to pay 1200UAH to sit at the table. I stood up, walked away, back to the hotel.
The girl seemed to be mad at me, I do not know why. I can hardly pay 1200UAH to sit down. Very strange place.
What do you do, when you come into contact with prostitutes at Vodka-Bar?
Fukk vodka bar.
1200UAH to sit down, thanks for your post, I stopped going there long time ago.
LOL.
She began by saying,"you have money problems." I did not understand what she meant. Shortly after came the bartender and wanted me to pay 1200UAH to sit at the table. I stood up, walked away, back to the hotel.
The girl seemed to be mad at me, I do not know why. I can hardly pay 1200UAH to sit down. Very strange place.
What do you do, when you come into contact with prostitutes at Vodka-Bar?
I visited Vodka-Bar last.
She began by saying,"you have money problems."
I did not understand what she meant.
Shortly after came the bartender and wanted me to pay 1200UAH to sit at the table.
I stood up, walked away, back to the hotel.
The girl seemed to be mad at me, I do not know why.
I can hardly pay 1200UAH to sit down.
Very strange place.
What do you do, when you come into contact with prostitutes at Vodka-Bar?I can not resist a remark here. So far as I know from other venues, you get a certain amount of drinks if you pay for a table. I don't know if you asked for this. And I don't know V-bar, but it is customary in many EE countries to ask the head waiter to put you to a table, or whatever you decide to do. He / she will also inform you about the prices. A small tip is the custom. We should not let cultural differences ruin our possibilities to pull a girl or two. All the best, Roll Buzz
I can not resist a remark here. So far as I know from other venues, you get a certain amount of drinks if you pay for a table. I don't know if you asked for this. And I don't know V-bar, but it is customary in many EE countries to ask the head waiter to put you to a table, or whatever you decide to do. He / she will also inform you about the prices. A small tip is the custom. We should not let cultural differences ruin our possibilities to pull a girl or two. All the best, Roll BuzzAlmost all the clubs operate a "deposit system" whereby they charge you a minimum spend per table. It varies from club to club and from table to table within a club.
I think Decadance (Arena disco) is 1, 000 UAH per seat so the deposit for a table there is 4, 000/$500 for 4 people. Avalon is about $200-$300 for the booths and less for the smaller tables. D"lux goes from 4, 000 UAH for the upstairs table in the club, all the way to 8, 000 for a table beside the dance floor.
Vodka bar. The low end of the food chain charges 2, 000 for a table downstairs and 1, 200 for one upstairs. Go figure.
Irish Lad, it does not say in your report if these places include the same amount of "service" (I. E. Drinks) for the minimum "spend" that you mention, or if they claim spenditure for drinks extra. In Avalon I recently paid 12 hundred for a small table and several drinks. If my girls, in addition to this, had not ordered several drinks for their friends too, I would have paid less than what I am used to pay at the bar. (Because I tend to practise generosity towards poor, young students!) But my head was still clear enough to register that I did not pay only for sitting down.
YellowPaul
05-05-13, 22:26
Almost all the clubs operate a "deposit system" whereby they charge you a minimum spend per table. It varies from club to club and from table to table within a club.
I think Decadance (Arena disco) is 1, 000 UAH per seat so the deposit for a table there is 4, 000/$500 for 4 people. Avalon is about $200-$300 for the booths and less for the smaller tables. D"lux goes from 4, 000 UAH for the upstairs table in the club, all the way to 8, 000 for a table beside the dance floor.
Vodka bar. The low end of the food chain charges 2, 000 for a table downstairs and 1, 200 for one upstairs. Go figure.
I paid 3,000 UAH for a table near the dance floor last Fall, that I split with 2 other guys at D'Lux. I think the only reason it was so cheap as it was a Thursday night perhaps.
Hey guys,
I was wondering if someone could give me a quick rundown on what the best places to go in Kiev are. For chicks of course, pros and semi-pros alike.
Irish Lad, it does not say in your report if these places include the same amount of "service" (I. E. Drinks) for the minimum "spend" that you mention, or if they claim spenditure for drinks extra. In Avalon I recently paid 12 hundred for a small table and several drinks. If my girls, in addition to this, had not ordered several drinks for their friends too, I would have paid less than what I am used to pay at the bar. (Because I tend to practise generosity towards poor, young students!) But my head was still clear enough to register that I did not pay only for sitting down.The minimum spend means that the "deposit" goes towards your bill. If the table is 4, 000 UAH and you buy only 2, 000 worth of drinks then you don't get the 2, 000 balance back. In fact, there will be a service charge added probably to the "deposit" as happened to myself a few weeks ago in D'Lux.
In your case, maybe the waitress "forgot" to include the deposit when giving you your bill. It should show a total and the deposit you paid.
Now, it gets confusing in Odessa. Same rules as above but on certain nights the clubs (Iiza and Itaka) might have a big act on so they charge for the seat and is not a deposit set off against your bill. That's on top of the entrance fee.
DoctorOral
05-06-13, 15:20
Hey Just.
A little too simple for your first posting ever on ISG. Read the forum, there is more things to play with for your first trip to Kiev than you can handle in 4 weeks.
Hey guys,
I was wondering if someone could give me a quick rundown on what the best places to go in Kiev are. For chicks of course, pros and semi-pros alike.
Thanks Lad, for this information, it can become expensive fun to reserve a table, but you get a better lineup of girls to choose from more quickly than at the bar. But everyone has his preferences. In Avalon, I paid the total amount in the end (they knew me and my credit card) , so it was all extravagance and not forgetfulness of the waitress. But next time I tell her to take orders only from me and none from the girls!
It's interesting that they vary the price-arrangement, must be careful in future. And maybe I finally make it to Odessa, after all, its the mothertown of Bobby Zimmerman. Regards, Roll Buzz
I return to Kiev after a break of a couple of years. I can see the girls are still up to their tricks! It's why you keep coming back.
Anyone want to meet for a pivo or two from Thursday?
Just InTime
05-07-13, 13:22
Okay. I posted here a while ago because I was studying a little russianand wanted to make a trip to Kiev. Never happend. Now I have the itch again. I want to travel next week from the 14-23 of may.
After reading the report for hours last night and reading this morning when I should be eating breakfast with my kids downstairs I still have not gotten basic information on where to stay and how much women cost.
I spend a lot of time in central and south america and speak spanish well although I am white as can be and from the USA.
Can someone give me (the forum) a small cheat cheat on where to stay (I'm guesing city center after rtff) , some p4p bars and some regular bars? I do well in latin countries with regular women and plan to take a jab at the ukrainian women.
Thanks
Okay. I posted here a while ago because I was studying a little russianand wanted to make a trip to Kiev. Never happend. Now I have the itch again. I want to travel next week from the 14-23 of may.
After reading the report for hours last night and reading this morning when I should be eating breakfast with my kids downstairs I still have not gotten basic information on where to stay and how much women cost.
I spend a lot of time in central and south america and speak spanish well although I am white as can be and from the USA.
Can someone give me (the forum) a small cheat cheat on where to stay (I'm guesing city center after rtff) , some p4p bars and some regular bars? I do well in latin countries with regular women and plan to take a jab at the ukrainian women.
ThanksYou want to travel to Kiev on May 14 and you just started reading the Forum to prepare one week prior? It's May 7 now. I have to say that you have seriously hampered yourself by not giving yourself sufficient time to read the forum and extract the helpful information buried in all the chaff. So if you actually go, maybe you will have time to read enough of the thread to have come across the nuggets of good info that exists.
Having said that, what you need right now are some shortcuts. First, as to where to stay, that must be attended to yesterday. So perhaps you came across the recent posts in which kievapts. Com (which I have used successfully for last several years) was mentioned, along with some endorsements from other members of airbnb. Com. Get out an email to kievapts. Com immediately to see what's available now, and start looking on the other website too. Yes, you want to be downtown in the centre. It makes life easier. You may choose to prefer an apartment location closer to a bar or club you would like to be able to walk to, or prefer a location that is near a supermarket and other conveniences to make shopping (near Bessarabksa Square would be a good choice) or eating out easier. Get on Google Maps and familiarize yourself with the downtown area. Bessarabska Square is opposite the intersection of Kreshchatyk Street (at it's lower end) and Terasa Shevchenka Blvd. TheKnight has recently indicated in a recent post the locations of several downtown police or militia stations. Having an apartment in the immediate vicinity of one of the police stations can be a drawback because sometimes the officers may spot you as you are going in to your apartment with a girl or girls and may try to hassle you or the girls, which has been reported earlier on this thread.
As to where to go for p4p girls, you seem to have missed the universally discussed venue of getting girls to date off of mamba. Ru, a social website that in Kiev has girls seeking p4p with profiles on it, as well as regular girls on it. Since there is a preparation period of initial communications until a girl may be ready to meet you for a date, you need to get cracking on mamba to line up sufficient dating possibilities in advance, with their phone numbers at the ready, so that you will have sufficient contacts to date while in Kiev, given that most contacts will not pan out for a variety of reasons. Hopefully, you are already set up on mamba. Ru as a member.
Some posters feel it is sufficient to begin seeking dates on mamba. Ru very close to the trip time, like a week or two before your trip. I prefer a longer period of time. But now you are only a week before trip time, and everyone here agrees you should be on it at mamba right now, making as many contacts and setting up dates as you can.
While I sort of agree with the recommendation made recently that one should not try to schedule out all their days in Kiev with prearranged dates, because when you hit the ground running in Kiev, everything set up gets blown away by changes in everyone's schedules, so it's best to remain fluid as to scheduling, and go with the flow (I think it might have been Dr O's point, although I don't have time to research or check it, so please forgive me if I have mis-attributed the insight) (no not Dr. Oz, we have our own Dr. O here on this thread). Nevertheless, these young girls are totally irresponsible and don't care one whit about your time waste. So in order not to be totally victimized by lateness and cancellations last minute, I do a half and half approach, and set up some scheduled meetings from weeks before with girls who I feel are motivated enough to trust, and I leave the rest of my schedule each day up to chance, as to which girl will be my lucky lady.
You're asking for club recommendations, claiming you already RTFF, after one night of a few hours trying? Give me a break. This info is all over the thread. High end p4p girls are at D'lux and Buddha Bar or Arena. More middling prices for p4p are to be found at Shooters, Avalon, Vodka Bar and others. All of these places (and there are more mentioned in the thread) have regular non p4p girls also. So have at it with your Spanish skills. My Spanish never got me anywhere in Kiev. At the strip clubs upper middling prices are possible for p4p take out, when you need a sure shot to get a hottie into bed, and have less time.
If you are after regular freebie girls, you need not restrict your efforts to nightclubs and bars. They are everywhere in Kiev. Just ask an innocent question to a pretty girl in a shopping mall, seeking help with something. Not only are they usually glad to help and to show off if they know English (few Ukrainians do speak English despite it being taught since the early grades) , but you can easily turn it into an ice breaker and maybe get a date out of it for coffee or a drink later. But if you do well with Latina ladies, as you wrote, you already know that you can start up with them everywhere, in restaurants, shopping malls and in the street.
I've tried to spoon feed you enough to be effective and have a good time in Kiev, but there is much more good stuff in the thread. You need to keep reading. One shortcut is to go through the references in the Reports of Distinction thread. Another shortcut is to read reports specifically by a particular author who you feel usually is a source of good useful info. I recommend you to read my own prior reports because I did make an effort to collate and pass on basic information for the benefit of newbies like you, so you will likely find something useful that way. All you do is click on the username of the poster you are interested in reading his prior reports, and a box will open up with a few choices, one of which is to "View Prior Posts", and you just click on that option to get a list of his prior posts. Those two useful shortcuts should lighten your pre-trip reading.
Good luck with you
Has anyone tried mira? Wonder if real. If yes, so cute!
http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=1113959004&afolder=album_photos&album_id=1113959005&
#closed.A pity I did not saw her before. She reminds me a lot of Mystery Tramp, not in face, but in body. The perfect skinny type that is lovable to have in bed, saw that she is real too (others pics) may be if I'm in Kiev I'll send some messages. I'm in love of skinny and ultra skinny blondes and similar.
IT
Just InTime
05-08-13, 13:54
You want to travel to Kiev on May 14 and you just started reading the Forum to prepare one week prior? It's May 7 now. I have to say that you have seriously hampered yourself by not giving yourself sufficient time to read the forum and extract the helpful information buried in all the chaff. So if you actually go, maybe you will have time to read enough of the thread to have come across the nuggets of good info that exists.
Having said that, what you need right now are some shortcuts. First, as to where to stay, that must be attended to yesterday. So perhaps you came across the recent posts in which kievapts. Com (which I have used successfully for last several years) was mentioned, along with some endorsements from other members of airbnb. Com. Get out an email to kievapts. Com immediately to see what's available now, and start looking on the other website too. Yes, you want to be downtown in the centre. It makes life easier. You may choose to prefer an apartment location closer to a bar or club you would like to be able to walk to, or prefer a location that is near a supermarket and other conveniences to make shopping (near Bessarabksa Square would be a good choice) or eating out easier. Get on Google Maps and familiarize yourself with the downtown area. Bessarabska Square is opposite the intersection of Kreshchatyk Street (at it's lower end) and Terasa Shevchenka Blvd. TheKnight has recently indicated in a recent post the locations of several downtown police or militia stations. Having an apartment in the immediate vicinity of one of the police stations can be a drawback because sometimes the officers may spot you as you are going in to your apartment with a girl or girls and may try to hassle you or the girls, which has been reported earlier on this thread.
As to where to go for p4p girls, you seem to have missed the universally discussed venue of getting girls to date off of mamba. Ru, a social website that in Kiev has girls seeking p4p with profiles on it, as well as regular girls on it. Since there is a preparation period of initial communications until a girl may be ready to meet you for a date, you need to get cracking on mamba to line up sufficient dating possibilities in advance, with their phone numbers at the ready, so that you will have sufficient contacts to date while in Kiev, given that most contacts will not pan out for a variety of reasons. Hopefully, you are already set up on mamba. Ru as a member.
Some posters feel it is sufficient to begin seeking dates on mamba. Ru very close to the trip time, like a week or two before your trip. I prefer a longer period of time. But now you are only a week before trip time, and everyone here agrees you should be on it at mamba right now, making as many contacts and setting up dates as you can.
While I sort of agree with the recommendation made recently that one should not try to schedule out all their days in Kiev with prearranged dates, because when you hit the ground running in Kiev, everything set up gets blown away by changes in everyone's schedules, so it's best to remain fluid as to scheduling, and go with the flow (I think it might have been Dr O's point, although I don't have time to research or check it, so please forgive me if I have mis-attributed the insight) (no not Dr. Oz, we have our own Dr. O here on this thread). Nevertheless, these young girls are totally irresponsible and don't care one whit about your time waste. So in order not to be totally victimized by lateness and cancellations last minute, I do a half and half approach, and set up some scheduled meetings from weeks before with girls who I feel are motivated enough to trust, and I leave the rest of my schedule each day up to chance, as to which girl will be my lucky lady.
You're asking for club recommendations, claiming you already RTFF, after one night of a few hours trying? Give me a break. This info is all over the thread. High end p4p girls are at D'lux and Buddha Bar or Arena. More middling prices for p4p are to be found at Shooters, Avalon, Vodka Bar and others. All of these places (and there are more mentioned in the thread) have regular non p4p girls also. So have at it with your Spanish skills. My Spanish never got me anywhere in Kiev. At the strip clubs upper middling prices are possible for p4p take out, when you need a sure shot to get a hottie into bed, and have less time.
If you are after regular freebie girls, you need not restrict your efforts to nightclubs and bars. They are everywhere in Kiev. Just ask an innocent question to a pretty girl in a shopping mall, seeking help with something. Not only are they usually glad to help and to show off if they know English (few Ukrainians do speak English despite it being taught since the early grades) , but you can easily turn it into an ice breaker and maybe get a date out of it for coffee or a drink later. But if you do well with Latina ladies, as you wrote, you already know that you can start up with them everywhere, in restaurants, shopping malls and in the street.
I've tried to spoon feed you enough to be effective and have a good time in Kiev, but there is much more good stuff in the thread. You need to keep reading. One shortcut is to go through the references in the Reports of Distinction thread. Another shortcut is to read reports specifically by a particular author who you feel usually is a source of good useful info. I recommend you to read my own prior reports because I did make an effort to collate and pass on basic information for the benefit of newbies like you, so you will likely find something useful that way. All you do is click on the username of the poster you are interested in reading his prior reports, and a box will open up with a few choices, one of which is to "View Prior Posts", and you just click on that option to get a list of his prior posts. Those two useful shortcuts should lighten your pre-trip reading.
Good luck with youI am a bit strange about planning anything too far in advance. I tend to arrange my trips around the weather or family events I don't want to attend. Your advice about on line dating is funny because I have done that for years in latin america. I have noticed that the quality in Colombia from online dating has gone way down. Maybe it's just me getting lazy. I am on mamba but the last time I was on it it I couldn't figure out how to search out of my area. I'll get on it today though. Also, the advice about the p4p bars and the bars having pros and non pros is great! Thanks for taing the time.
hey guys,
i was wondering if someone could give me a quick rundown on what the best places to go in kiev are. For chicks of course, pros and semi-pros alike.stay away from rio club unless you are so stupid and think paying over $300 for chit chat and covered blow job is a good deal IN KIEV
LOL
DoctorOral
05-08-13, 18:19
Want her number. PM me!
A pity I did not saw her before. She reminds me a lot of Mystery Tramp, not in face, but in body. The perfect skinny type that is lovable to have in bed, saw that she is real too (others pics) may be if I'm in Kiev I'll send some messages. I'm in love of skinny and ultra skinny blondes and similar.
IT
SexBomb123
05-08-13, 19:02
Is anybody else having an issue with Mamba? I had been sending out my usual daily messages but today had my account blocked.
I re-opened an old account and started sending out messages. I then got the same message again and I'm hoping its a temporary thing as I have so many numbers stored there. This is where LJ's advice to store them in a word document is crucial and now I'm learning my lesson the hard way!
Any advice?
Cheers
A bit late in posting this, but never mind. Went to Ukraine for the first time and had the pleasure of meeting Irish Lad. A great person to get the low down on Kiev. Lots of
Invaluable info, and a great laugh. I will try and remember what happened, as some of it is a bit blurry.
Wednesday
Arrived Kiev on flydubai. Had arranged to meet a mamba girl ($200 for 2/3 hours) at 7pm, then the plan was to meet IL later in the evening. Went and got a sim with internet access (a must, as most of the girls seem to use what's app) and bought vodka, mixers, smokes for the Mamba Girl (MG) visit. She is not a typical Ukraine girl in looks. Says she is 21, curvy, dyed blonde hair, and was a good laugh. She is a student and does this occasionally (so she says). Anyways, at midnight she was still at my apartment and seemed pissed off when I told her I was going to Shooters."Don't go there, stay in, it's better". Right.
So shared a taxi with her and wandered into Shooters. Ladies' night and the place was packed. Met IL and drank vodka (my initial attempts to buy a beer were rightfully laughed off). There was probably too many women to choose from, and having just arrived (and depleted my resources with Mamba girl) was content to sit, drink and watch the girls go by. Mamba girl started messaging me and at about 4am said I should meet her in Vodka Bar. Decided to go, and bade IL farewell.
Vodka Bar was pretty good. Lots of fit girls, more local men than in Shooters and a few Turkish guys. Met MG and had a few drinks. At 6am she declared she was going home, and (given there was still lots of girls in VB) I said fine, bye. Ten minutes later, I get a call. "Where are you? Why have you not left?" Turns out she was sat in a taxi outside. Take female logic and multiply by ten in Kiev. Ended up back at mine, and she stayed until 3pm the next day.
Thursday
After she left I was too tired to go out, and so watched crappy local TV, ate a pizza she ordered for me and drank a few beers. At 5am, get a call, from her, saying she was outside. So let her in, and she ends up staying until midnight Friday.
Friday
She leaves at midnight, and despite every intention of going to sleep, I start drinking beer and vodka and decide (at 6am, like an idiot) to check out Shooters, not knowing that 6am is chucking out time. So go there, it's empty. Have one drink, and get chucked out. It's now 6. 30am, getting bright, and raining. I check google for 'after hour club Kiev' and see (insert name of club which I have forgotten!) Go there and its packed. A bit of a 'druggy' crowd, but head to the smoking room and start talking to random people, including some friendly local blokes. At about 10, they say they are going to another club that is just starting, so drunkenly decide to go there as well. What follows is a bit of a blur. It's in what looks like an apartment block near my apartment – up some flights of stairs, and enter a ballroom of sorts. Bar at one end, DJ at the other and a large, empty dance floor. Music is derivative techno and house. Most of the crowd are on pills of some sort. At one point, I end up in a parked car outside ingesting various pharmaceuticals. Then back inside, more drinks and then, well, then it all gets a bit blurry. Remember being kicked out with two other lads, punches thrown, and really it's a blank. Walk back to my apartment with one of the guys, who seemed quite worried that someone from the club would follow me. It's now about 3pm. Get home, crash out. Pretty stupid, but then I have a history of stupidity.
Saturday
Wake up about 8, completely wrecked. Mamba Girl texts and I ask her to order me a pizza – she does which come with two beers. Drink them, shower, and still feel drunk. My right hand is sore and my right foot, and the memories of the night before start coming back. Try and sober up and head out to meet IL. He is at Avalon and has a table (of course) , so I get a taxi in the rain – only to find that they won't accept dollars and the woman behind the other counter won't change dollars. Text IL and he comes down and changes my money – we head back upstairs where some early 1990s black singer is belting out very cheesy hits – the standard of music across Kiev's clubs has been very grim.
Mamba Bird is there and with two Turkish guys so don't go over. Drink water to rehydrate and not vomit, and eventually brighten up. IL and his mate are great guys to drink with and I get Kiev Woman 101 part two from them. Eventually Mamba Bird demands I go and meet her, so I do, and bring her back to the table. IL and friend leave to Shooters and I stay for about an hour and head back to my apartment with MB. Drink a bit more and then crash out.
Sunday
Wake up, do the business with MB and she leaves about 5pm. The last few evenings are catching up on me. Wanted to check out the Rakuena massage place but too lazy, and so go and get a Mcdonalds and watch CNN. Pack bag and try and get some sleep.
Fly out on the Monday – overall a great, if somewhat messy trip. Next time, I will be a bit more varied in my hunting – but the MB was great fun, and apart from the $200 and a few drinks along the way, did not have to pay her any more. She was also definitely my type physically and very funny. So why refuse a good thing?
Looking at going back with a friend of mine at the start of June. Thanks again to Irish Lad for the generosity, much appreciated.
Advice for first timers:
Research is key – get the clubs you want to visit and take screen shots of their location on google maps. Then show these to taxi drivers and you will get where you want to go easily enough.
Pick the right apartment – mine was $70 a night and was very nice, right off Maidan Square.
Buy a Ukrainian SIM once you arrive – this will make everything that much easier.
Stock your fridge with booze, water etc – I imagine trying to get supplies at 3am with an impatient local girl would not be fun.
Bring some music on your laptop / iPad – otherwise you will be forced to listen to crappy, tinny R&B from the phone of whoever you bring back.
DoctorOral
05-08-13, 22:49
Forget about her quickly.
Oral with condom only,
No anal!
Write her off!
Thanks again to Irish Lad for the generosity, much appreciated.More than welcome Paddy23)
The only guy I met who landed on his feet so well in Kiev as a 1st timer. That MB was a super result. I am 90% sure she is bi. You wouldn't go wrong inviting her to Dubai and tell her to bring a friend.
See you in June, add Odessa to your itinerary?
Forget about her quickly.
Oral with condom only,
No anal!
Write her off!She is hard to forget, since she bombards mamba with at least two or three brand new profiles each day using the same very nice pictures, and is always visible there. I assume she does this because of the frequent profile deletions taking place daily on mamba.
Take female logic and multiply by ten in Kiev. .Hahahah that made me chuckle. God what a heaven Kiev was. Only been there once, but definately was the best mongering experience ever!
Forget about her quickly.
Oral with condom only,
No anal!
Write her off!Funny) She has just written to me on Mamba! Photo line not working too well for her today
DoctorOral
05-11-13, 12:49
My two friends that re in kiv at the moment. Pm me ith news. You cn pretend we hare a beer while doing so!
Hello all,
I will be arriving in Kiev the weekend of May 25th. Then off to Prague for the week and back in Kiev the following weekend of June 1st.
I have been there once before in 2009, during the good ole' River Palace days. Reading the forum now I understand RP is gone and the way to get P4P is either clubs (Arena, Shooters, D'Lux) or Mamba. As I speak no Russian, I figure Mamba is a no-go for me.
I am planning to get an apartment on Kreschatik and check out Arena and Shooters over the weekend. Any tips for picking up P4P during the day time? Is there anywhere good to go for daytime P4P on the weekends?
Thanks and if anyone wants to meet up PM me.
A
Member #4722
05-12-13, 22:33
I'm planning my first trip, but there are plenty of girls on Mamba that speak English.
Hello all,
I will be arriving in Kiev the weekend of May 25th. Then off to Prague for the week and back in Kiev the following weekend of June 1st.
I have been there once before in 2009, during the good ole' River Palace days. Reading the forum now I understand RP is gone and the way to get P4P is either clubs (Arena, Shooters, D'Lux) or Mamba. As I speak no Russian, I figure Mamba is a no-go for me.
I am planning to get an apartment on Kreschatik and check out Arena and Shooters over the weekend. Any tips for picking up P4P during the day time? Is there anywhere good to go for daytime P4P on the weekends?
Thanks and if anyone wants to meet up PM me.
A
If you haven't been to Kiev or ukraine you must make sure you have a good guide. Again I'm recommending the one I had alex. I'm so use to signs in english. All the signs in ukraine are in cyrillic! I don't know how I could have made it around without one! The girls I found on the internet I showed to my guide alex he sceened them all. He called them and interrogated them to make sure I wasnt going to get cheated. He found me a nice apartment right off of kreschatik. I'm sure there are many people who can show you around but I can't recommend him enough. I've used him twice. I'm hoping to go back again this summer. Check him out in the classifieds.I'm bumping my post so whoever is going to Ukraine soon can have the great experience that I had using this guide. He also became a friend of mine when I was there and I would like to help him as much as he helped me!
Looking for a wingman / drinking partner tonight as I'm tired of speaking only with my Russian-speaking friends. I'm the only person in suit and hat. Let's P-A-R-T-Y!
Kevin / RulerK
Global Surfer
05-15-13, 01:05
I'm bumping my post so whoever is going to Ukraine soon can have the great experience that I had using this guide. He also became a friend of mine when I was there and I would like to help him as much as he helped me!I think this post is more appropriate for classified section.
Hi Angus,
Right now there is more activity with the girls at Mamba / meetmenow / flirt tha before, and I recommend you register and pay the VIP fee, because it gives you great advantage to narrow down your search. Another daytime option is to go into the streets downtown, make sure to dress like an obvious, naive and innocent foreigner, be alone, and you will probably be approached by men with visit cards from ladies. Going inside MacDonalds dressed like this and maybe talking English to a friend or on the phone is sure to draw attention, the rest is up to you.
Remember to report. Roll be
CastOnThis
05-15-13, 22:04
Men, can anyone give a report on Pink Unicorn? It is suppose to be a strip club, I don't know what it is like, any opinions? How about Penthouse or Dolls Club or Arena?
Hi Angus,
Right now there is more activity with the girls at Mamba / meetmenow / flirt tha before, and I recommend you register and pay the VIP fee, because it gives you great advantage to narrow down your search. Another daytime option is to go into the streets downtown, make sure to dress like an obvious, naive and innocent foreigner, be alone, and you will probably be approached by men with visit cards from ladies. Going inside MacDonalds dressed like this and maybe talking English to a friend or on the phone is sure to draw attention, the rest is up to you.
Remember to report. Roll beI signed up for Mamba and already got some phone numbers! I know it's a numbers game so going to collect as many as I can. Not sure about the dumb foreigner thing. I don't want to get mugged.
Roll Buzz are you in Kiev? Would love to meet up with someone there who knows the lay of the land. I'm happy to buy some drinks. Would be nice to wingman with someone while out meeting girls.
Since it's always best to find out from locals. I'll ask this board. Is Kiev safe or dangerous place? Can you trust cab drivers to mug you? Is there concern walking late at night?
Thanks,
A
Angus, I'm only talking about to acts and looks, not metamorphosing!
I have been pickpocketed in Kiev, as well as in Barcelona, But I blame it on the alcohol more than the people in the street! Generally, people are very honest and no reason to be suspicious, but there are cultural differences, like security guys in hotels and restaurants, who you need to give a tip, and the working girls of course will often try to get all the money you have available. But they never stole from me. One should never let anyone see how much money you have got in the wallet.
And many people don't really understand how credit cards work: if you got one, some think you can spend money without ends. Read the forum. Regrettably I'm not in Kiev.
RB
DoctorOral
05-19-13, 20:23
How is the scene in donetsk? Anyone been there. Looking to spend a week there. Advice?
ZimmerBaby
05-19-13, 20:37
Gentlemen!
I've RTFF, been using Google, praying, crying, and still haven't found what I'm looking for:
I've found several massage places promising shiatsu, flow of Qi, heaven and the moon, lady, VIP, blah blah blah. Searching for massage with BBBJ and CIM if possible. Any service more than only a HJ is a victory at the moment. I do not want a full time intercourse with a pro.
Newbie in Kiev.
Thanks!
My Mamba account was recently blocked with no explanation.
I've emailed the staff but waiting on a reply.
Does anyone know why this happens? Could it be for mentioning $$ with girls, or sending too many messages, or. What? And is there any way to unblock your account or work some way around this?
Thanks,
A
Gentlemen!
I've RTFF, been using Google, praying, crying, and still haven't found what I'm looking for:
I've found several massage places promising shiatsu, flow of Qi, heaven and the moon, lady, VIP, blah blah blah. Searching for massage with BBBJ and CIM if possible. Any service more than only a HJ is a victory at the moment. I do not want a full time intercourse with a pro.
Newbie in Kiev.
Thanks!It says no intim, but http://5rooms.com.ua/en/uslugi/elite-massage.html
Could be useful. Just call them.
Otherwise you'll get what you want on mamba. One girl offered me massage for 350, with oral ending. But with full service for little more I never checked her out. Sorry, her profile's now deleted.
Men, can anyone give a report on Pink Unicorn? It is suppose to be a strip club, I don't know what it is like, any opinions? How about Penthouse or Dolls Club or Arena?Pink Rhino. Same as all the other Rhinos.
200 UAH for a private dance. 2-for-1 offers on dances every 20-30 minutes.
During a private dance you can either wank yourself, or touch the girl a little (how much depends on the girl)
Fully nude stage dances free.
I signed up for Mamba and already got some phone numbers! I know it's a numbers game so going to collect as many as I can. Not sure about the dumb foreigner thing. I don't want to get mugged.
Roll Buzz are you in Kiev? Would love to meet up with someone there who knows the lay of the land. I'm happy to buy some drinks. Would be nice to wingman with someone while out meeting girls.
Since it's always best to find out from locals. I'll ask this board. Is Kiev safe or dangerous place? Can you trust cab drivers to mug you? Is there concern walking late at night?
Thanks,
AVery safe. Two weeks ago I walked home very drunk from Shooters back to Bessarabska at around 0500. Not a soul bothered me.
Just don't let people see you with a map. Don't let mobiles and wallets stick out of your pockets.
Any can driver could mug you, but only problem I had wtih either a legal or "gypsy cab" was when one thought I knew no Russian and tried to give his number to my girlfriend)
They'll rip you off on price if you let them.
Basically 50 will get you anywhere in city centre (order on phone it'll be cheaper)
Rush hour it will cost more, but that's because the traffic won't move. And you'll be better walking or taking metro.
CastOnThis
05-20-13, 14:22
Guys,
I will be doing to Kiev in August and I wanted to book through Kiev Apts. Is it safe? I will be arriving on a Saturday / Sunday and hopefully the banks will be open to exchange money. Are currency exchanges open on the weekend?
I will be posting pictures of the girls after I return to keep this sub-forum alive with pics.
TheKnight, the name is Pink Rhino instead of Pink Unicorn? I will be close to Penthouse. So hopefully, I will go try it out once or twice.
SexBomb123
05-20-13, 19:54
My Mamba account was recently blocked with no explanation.
I've emailed the staff but waiting on a reply.
Does anyone know why this happens? Could it be for mentioning $$ with girls, or sending too many messages, or. What? And is there any way to unblock your account or work some way around this?
Thanks,
ASame happened to both of my accounts last week, for the first time. I hadn't been doing anything particularly out of the norm that I can think of. I sent their support a message from both accounts asking why it had been blocked and to reactivate the account. The following day, both were available and working again and the only explanation it came with was "please read the terms carefully to avoid having your account blocked in the future". I can only think it was because I was doing a lot of copy / pasting that day. Thankfully, it hasn't happened since, because I have literally hundreds of phone numbers in there that I am slowly trying to copy to a word document!
CastOnThis
05-21-13, 12:59
Has the price of sex from girls in strip clubs gone up? What is the price?
Guys,
I will be doing to Kiev in August and I wanted to book through Kiev Apts. Is it safe? I will be arriving on a Saturday / Sunday and hopefully the banks will be open to exchange money. Are currency exchanges open on the weekend?
I will be posting pictures of the girls after I return to keep this sub-forum alive with pics.
TheKnight, the name is Pink Rhino instead of Pink Unicorn? I will be close to Penthouse. So hopefully, I will go try it out once or twice.I have used Kiev Apts my self some few month ago. They are safe and profesional. The driver is a smart dude and are capible. Tho everyone in this forum would say to you its overprised, what is truth. So your bet. Sure money exchage is open, , we are talking about ukr its cheap working power here.
Hello all,
I will be arriving in Kiev the weekend of May 25th. Then off to Prague for the week and back in Kiev the following weekend of June 1st.
I have been there once before in 2009, during the good ole' River Palace days. Reading the forum now I understand RP is gone and the way to get P4P is either clubs (Arena, Shooters, D'Lux) or Mamba. As I speak no Russian, I figure Mamba is a no-go for me.
I am planning to get an apartment on Kreschatik and check out Arena and Shooters over the weekend. Any tips for picking up P4P during the day time? Is there anywhere good to go for daytime P4P on the weekends?
Thanks and if anyone wants to meet up PM me.
ADear Angus,
Not only is Rog123 correct about there being plenty of girls that speak English on mamba. Ru, but you don't even NEED that the girls speak English. You can have sex with the girls on mamba that only speak Russian too.
Glad to see that you took the advice of others not to ignore mamba, as you wrote in your subsequent post that you had begun to collect contacts on mamba.
But it is not clear to me whether you are restricting yourself to just going after girls who speak English, or whether you have understood how to maximize the pussy value that can be extracted from mamba.
I am going to encourage you to also go after ALL p4p girls, not only those that speak English.
I am not only saying it, I'm doing it:. You can use Google Translate to communicate with girls in Russian!
With this handy little tool, you can have sex with very beautiful native Ukrainian girls who do not speak two words of English. I kid you not.
And using Google Translate in combination specifically with mamba. Ru, is a devastatingly powerful combination, which is far better than trying the same thing in a night club scene. I'll explain why in a bit.
By all means, do the nightclubs in the evenings. But you give up a lot of the opportunity for low priced p4p ($100 / hr and lower) with the pretty girls of Kiev when you forgo mamba, or forego those mamba girls that do not speak English. The prices in the nightclubs for p4p tend to be much higher than on mamba. So all mamba p4p girls should be considered.
The advantage the nightclubs offer over mamba is that you can see the girls in advance and direct your efforts and time toward those that appeal to you most. By contrast, mamba is filled with fake picture profiles, and finding a pretty girl is a bit of a "process". If you fail to convince a mamba girl to email you real photos or to Skype with you, you must schedule meetings with the most promising of your mamba Contacts, and meet with them to see what they look like, a process that involves time, and unfortunately time "waste", as a number of the girls met in this fashion do not make the grade because they are not attractive enough.
On a short trip to Kiev, time waste is a crucial factor to keep an eye on, lest it deprive you of a girl in your bed that evening. So I well understand the value. In terms of time efficiency. Of going to the nightclubs or strip clubs, rather than spending a lot of time meeting with potential girls from mamba (a social website) or using the Internet escort agencies for Kiev. Due to the fake picture problem.
The trade-off for the time efficiency in the nightclub or strip club scene is price. The Internet girls (mamba and escort websites like top-modals. Com and many others) have low prices and if you can get a pretty girl that way, you have saved a bundle, but it takes time. The girl chasing at nightclubs / strip clubs involves less uncertainty in getting a pretty girl, since you can see what you need to in advance, but will cost you more, sometimes way more. So it's a decision of waste more time and spend less, or pay more for the convenience of time efficiency.
The other advantage of the nightclub / strip club scene is that you have the ability to survey the "entire" available pool of candidates, and select and direct your efforts toward getting to the prettiest available girl. But when using the Internet (mamba and escort sites) you are flying blind and the prettiness level of the girl who shows up at the door is completely the luck of the draw.
Because of these factors, on a short visit to Kiev, my personal preference was always to pay a little more and go to strip clubs, so I could be more certain to get the hottest and most beautiful girls I could get into my bed each night in Kiev.
But that does not mean, to ignore mamba and Internet escort websites. My approach was to do both. You see, the nightclubs and strip clubs are closed during the day!
So I used the daytime to meet girls from mamba and escort sites. And I met quite a few hotties in this manner and kept their contact info for future visits to Kiev. In this way, over time one can build up a personal supply of of great contacts with girls who are both inexpensive as p4p and beautiful.
But until you have developed a contact list of low priced Kiev p4p hotties, you will need to engage in the search as described above.
So I recommend for you a hybrid approach, nightclubs at night as you originally planned, but keep at it on collecting mamba contacts for daytime meetings.
If you succeed in getting a beauty from mamba to whom you paid 600 UAH ($75) or 800 UAH ($100) for an afternoon tryst and she was happy with that, you will appreciate the economy of that experience.
At some point, when you have enough very hot and sexy mamba contacts, you will decide, as I have done also, to meet with mamba girls at night also, and your nightclub / strip club forays will become more limited for new talent.
Now, I said before that using the Google Translator together with mamba, is better and more powerful than using Google Translate in a nightclub setting. The reason is that on mamba everything in the interaction with the girl, up until her actually being in your apartment for the purpose of fucking, can be done in writing, via messages written back and forth on mamba. However, in a nightclub scene you must interact directly with the girl face to face from the beginning. Obviously, when you are face to face with a girl, the need to type every part of the communication. Your questions or comments to her and her responses or questions to you. Can be a bit of a handicap. So working on a girl via written messages on mamba to get her set up to come to your apartment for paid sex, takes a lot of the "face-to-face" pressure off of you. Therefore, it turns out that using Google Translator to get a Russian speaking p4p girl into bed, is easier on mamba, than in a nightclub scene.
Yet love conquers all. So even in a nightclub, if a girl is interested in getting with you, she will have the patience necessary for communicating with you in her pigeon English together with written google-translated messages. Therefore you may just pull it off in a nightclub setting. But it's definitely more of a challenge in a nightclub face to face, than doing it as an armchair general from the comfort of your reclining chair while you're online, messaging on mamba.
True, even if you get her from mamba, when she finally arrives at your apartment, you will also be face to face with her and you will have to communicate awkwardly with written messages. But she is already there to fuck! So at that point what is required is just some pleasantries to break the ice before she goes to the bathroom to wash up before sex. When she rings your doorbell, all you have to do is open the door, greet her with a great big smile and say,"hello Privyet!" Lead her to your living room or kitchen table to sit down, offer her some nice drink and / or chocolates, be cute and lovable and ask her a few questions using the Google Translator, establish a nice rapport, and when you feel like it, suggest to her to go have a shower, and take it from there. She knows what to do. And in the bedroom, use sign language, and bring along the iPhone or laptop on a night table just in case you need to give her an instruction for what you want, and she doesn't understand your sign language. Break the ice even further by delivering some good DATY, if that is something you like (she will definitely take a nice shine to you after that). And have a great time having sex with her.
Now, it may interest you to know that what I just described, is precisely what I did just this past Tuesday afternoon, May 14, when I had a visit from Aleksandra from mamba. She spoke not a word of English. And she was all smiles with communicating on mamba and interacting with me in my kitchen and bedroom, all done with Google Translator in my iPhone. Aleksandra came to my apartment at 2:30 PM and left at 5:30. She had asked for 800 UAH for 1 hour on mamba. I gave her $150 and asked her if that was good. She smiled and nodded. Of course, there are greedier girls, but she was also dizzy from some pretty good sex, so she was happy. Another satisfied customer of yours truly. The same thing went down this past Saturday afternoon, May 18, with Senyorita of mamba at 12 noon, and with Julia from mamba at 3:00 pm. None of these girls spoke any English. But I was sweet and charming with them using Google Translate, made a nice rapport, and had great sex with them for $100, and they both stayed longer than precisely one hour and were not clock watchers. So I know this can be done. I'm not telling you to try do do anything that I have not done previously myself many times. It's tested and true advice. So get cracking on mamba, use the Translator to go after Russian speaking hotties, and don't limit yourself.
This is the considered advice and opinion given on this thread by the most senior members and veteran mongers of Kiev. That mamba. Ru is a monger's friend in Kiev and produces good results if used with some intelligence. And I am telling you that Just because you don't speak Russian is no reason to be deterred.
A key point to remember is that when you are looking for p4p, you are not really dating. P4p is about getting to the sex. After the sex the girl goes bye-bye. She doesn't stick around for more time than your dollars last. So you don't have to be the greatest conversationalist. You just have to be cute and charming, because admittedly a good rapport plays a role in getting GFE from a p4p girl. But you can be cute and charming and have a few laughs with the girl before you send her off to the showers, even when using a laptop computer or iPhone loaded with the Google Translate, even though you don't speak Russian.
I have been told by Russian speakers that the translation produced by Google Translate is sometimes ok, but often enough is bad. So they can tell that you are not a Russian speaker and will often answer you in English.
Anyway, if you look at a girl's profile and see English listed as a language she speaks, it only means she heard of the language in school. It doesn't mean she can speak it fluently, and more often than not, she cannot communicate in English. However, There are some girls on mamba who do speak English. Rog123 did not say what he based his opinion on when he said there were plenty of English speaking girls on mamba, but if he based it on them listing English as a spoken language on their profile, that would inflate the estimate well beyond my actual experience with girls on mamba. But the key point is that it doesn't make so much difference because you can go after all the girls you want and don't have to restrict yourself only to girls that list English on their profiles.
So compose a message in Russian using the Google Translator. Run the Russian language message you have just composed backwards from Russian back to English, through the translator also, to check that it means what you want to say. Make sure your message does NOT identify you as a sex tourist. That means, among other things, Do not ask questions about money or rates in connection with sex, before the girl has clearly indicated she is seeking p4p, by writing she is seeking meetings on "a material basis" (one of their code words for P4p) , or some other indication she wants money for the meeting. In your initial messages, Just indicate your interest in meeting with the girl. Humor works well in this context of messaging. But if you can't manage something witty, just offer some compliments based on their profiles, and send it off to each girl that interests you. Most will not answer. Some will. Continue the conversation by messaging back and forth in Russian. The P4p girls will identify themselves soon enough and you can take it from there.
If you get a response that is some sort of wise-ass question back from a girl asking "meeting for what" or "what purpose meeting", it is probably the girl testing to see if you are a sex tourist or not. She may even send a message back asking,"Intim?" (another code-word for p4p) , which I believe is also a test to see if I am simply a sex tourist. If I wanted to, I would turn the question around and ask that girl what she is seeking and,"Are you seeking or offering intim?", just. But I usually don't break my cover and I respond that I want to meet them "to enjoy their company." Or because I am looking for friendships or relationships as indicated in my profile. If they are interested they will continue the conversation. If I want to be more aggressive in pursuit, I turn the question around and write that I saw in their profile that they too are interested in the same things, friendship and relationship, and if they would like to meet a good-looking, very nice man, who is intelligent, witty, lots of fun to be with "and very generous", then let's meet. Any p4p or sponsor minded girl will pick up on the mention of being "very generous". While it could simply mean you would take them out on nice and enjoyable dates, It is also a code-word hint that they could possibly expect some of that generosity to be expressed in the form of a money or other gift to themselves. So it will interest the p4p girls you are seeking. My point here is that you should be guarded in what you write before a girl has identified herself as p4p, because otherwise you will ruin any opportunity that might have existed for a freebie date with a regular girl.
There was some good advice posted recently in the last two or three months on this thread on how to do things on mamba. In fact, Go back in the thread and find my several previous posts about chasing p4p on mamba. Find the post by Irish Lad regarding chasing freebies on mamba and the related discussion. There are good posts by others too. You will benefit if you take the trouble to find these posts and to read the thread.
Happy Mongering.
LJ
Has the price of sex from girls in strip clubs gone up? What is the price?The price in Rio for take out is still $300/3hours. As for the "all night" price of $400 / all night, some girls have taken to accepting this price only after midnight until 5am, but for longer dates that begin earlier in the evening they are asking more money. Some girls are accepting the $400 for all night. It seems to depend on the girl and the circumstances. During my recent trip I was only in Rio one time on May 13 due to being stood up by a mamba girl who was supposed to meet me at 1:00 am, and the late hour at the time. So this information is current. The prices at Mandarin are the same as at Rio, as it's a sister club. Other strip clubs, I don't know. But all it takes to find out is to visit the one you want and ask. I once posted the rates at Dolls last year, which were more expensive than Rio. I don't remember the Dolls prices for certain, but I think it was something like $300/2 hours and $500 / all night. There were posts by others about prices in some other strip clubs, so you need to search the thread. Or you can go in and ask.
But all the strip club take out prices will be in this general range of $300-$500 for several hours, which is pretty expensive, considering that much lower prices are available on mamba of $100 or less for 1 hour for girls who are often very nice looking.
So high strip club prices should really only be contemplated for a girl who is really very, very beautiful and sexy, and you don't have time to get the type of girl you want from the internet.
Prices at nightclubs also vary and are often similar to the high prices at the strip clubs of $300 and above, but you can often negotiate with independent girls at nightclubs and possibly get lower prices. In some nightclubs it has been reported on this thread that prices of $200/2hours were possible or sometimes even lower, such as a recent post in this thread reporting a $100 price for some girls at vodka bar.
So do your homework and comparative shopping, so you don't unnecessarily pay high prices for the same thing, if it is easily available elsewhere. Of course, If it is not easily available to you elsewhere, that is a factor you will take into account in deciding whether to pay more for convenience or certainty, just like higher prices are paid for other commodities for similar guarantees.
LJ
CastOnThis
05-22-13, 00:56
Just out of curiosity has anybody been to Paradise in the premier palace hotel? What are the prices like-millennium or more expense? Since it is on the eight floor, do I need to take the stairs or can I use the elevator to get there? I'd like to see it just once, I don't know if the prices are too high. Then forget that.
AColonizer
05-22-13, 15:37
STOP! Do not go to strip-clubs and escort agencies because you are lazy! This the worst way to get little sex and to pay crazy prices! You are not in the Western world! Study this forum and the environment in Kiev! If you don't want, then please stay at home with mammy! Otherwise you will spoil girls and prices! I understand 99% people here don't know what is real sex and the specifications of each performance, but at least try to understand between lines in this forum and in the real life. If you know just a pussy sex, then try do not pay more than 200$ for an overnight! The price is not always a level of the quality of the provider's service. Instead the price is always a level of the customer's ignorance. More a customer pays, and more he is silly. This is just a business, and if you forget it for one second, then you are lost!
Harry Hirsch
05-22-13, 18:38
STOP! Do not go to strip-clubs and escort agencies because you are lazy! This the worst way to get little sex and to pay crazy prices! You are not in the Western world! Study this forum and the environment in Kiev! If you don't want, then please stay at home with mammy! Otherwise you will spoil girls and prices! I understand 99% people here don't know what is real sex and the specifications of each performance, but at least try to understand between lines in this forum and in the real life. If you know just a pussy sex, then try do not pay more than 200$ for an overnight! The price is not always a level of the quality of the provider's service. Instead the price is always a level of the customer's ignorance. More a customer pays, and more he is silly. This is just a business, and if you forget it for one second, then you are lost!1 hour = 60 - 70$
2-3 Hours = 150$
Overnight= 200$ or better 1600grn, it depends of service 1500 classic. 2000grn oral without, CIM + anal +++.
But not more.
I had girls for overnight for 1000grn (120$) with Mamba, you must know about girls, then it is possible.
Try, learn, this need much time.
Or.
Go to Germany to the Clubs 50€ for 30 min good sex, beautiful girls.
Ukraine this is work.
Member #4722
05-22-13, 18:51
True, even if you get her from mamba, when she finally arrives at your apartment, you will also be face to face with her and you will have to communicate awkwardly with written messages. But she is already there to fuck! So at that point what is required is just some pleasantries to break the ice before she goes to the bathroom to wash up before sex. When she rings your doorbell, all you have to do is open the door, greet her with a great big smile and say,"hello Privyet!" Lead her to your living room or kitchen table to sit down, offer her some nice drink and / or chocolates, be cute and lovable and ask her a few questions using the Google Translator, establish a nice rapport, and when you feel like it, suggest to her to go have a shower, and take it from there. She knows what to do. And in the bedroom, use sign language, and bring along the iPhone or laptop on a night table just in case you need to give her an instruction for what you want, and she doesn't understand your sign language. Break the ice even further by delivering some good DATY, if that is something you like (she will definitely take a nice shine to you after that). And have a great time having sex with her.LilJoey. This may be a stupid question, but how can you engage in back and forth conversation when most keyboards in the USA have an English-only keyboard? Or is it mainly you typing the message and her nodding yes and no?
Also, regarding your response to my comment on Mamba girls speaking English, I have engaged with a handful already who are able to type in pretty good English and probably speak it to the same degree or better as well.
LilJoey. This may be a stupid question, but how can you engage in back and forth conversation when most keyboards in the USA have an English-only keyboard? Or is it mainly you typing the message and her nodding yes and no?
Also, regarding your response to my comment on Mamba girls speaking English, I have engaged with a handful already who are able to type in pretty good English and probably speak it to the same degree or better as well.Rog123,
In my book, as long as a member responsibly makes the effort to read the thread and not ask what was just previously asked, or can be easily found in the thread, I don't regard it as a stupid question.
The reason for your question is simply that you are asking it before you actually opened up the Google Translator and tried to use it. If you had tried to experiment with the Google Translator online, you would have seen that the Translator types out your English language message in the Russian letters automatically, and you don't have to do any typing of Russian letters to use it. All you do is go to Google. Com and at the top of the page you will see Menu headings. Look for the menu entitled "More" and click it for a dropdown list of additional applications, and search for one entitled "Translate". Click open the Translator and you will get a field in which you can type English, above which are tabs you can use to select the languages you want to work with. If you click the tab, it will present you with a large selection of languages you can translate into. Set it up to translate from English to Russian. Type an English message and when you click "Enter" it will translate your message into a mesage written in Russian. All you need to do is copy / paste the Russian message back into the translation box, switch the direction of translation by clicking on the arrows between the language tabs, and hit "enter" to translate your Russian message back into English to check it. If it is correct, then you can copy / paste the Russian message you created into a message box on mamba. It's that simple.
If you want to be able to do some more sophisticated editing of your Russian message, it is also no problem, because Windows allows you to load the Cyrillic alphabet, and you can create a keyboard guide to use by simply typing out all the keys on the keyboard, and spacing them similar to your keyboard on a printout sheet to keep next to the keyboard and guide you as to which key will produce the necessary Russian letter when typed. You can switch between keyboards using "control / alt" I think. In the iPhone, switching between keyboards is extremely easy by simply hitting the keyboard key (looks like a globe with lines) to the left of the space bar, after loading the keyboard you want under "settings".
I hope these instructions help you. Just give it a try on google translate and see if you can get the hang of it, before posting additional questions of a computer technical nature.
Regarding the English speaking girls, I simply queried how did you assess that a girl speaks English? Was it based upon her listing English in her profile? Or was it some other basis? I am well aware that there are girls who do speak and write English on mamba. How did you determine which ones they were before choosing to message them?
LJ
LilJoey. This may be a stupid question, but how can you engage in back and forth conversation when most keyboards in the USA have an English-only keyboard? Or is it mainly you typing the message and her nodding yes and no?
Also, regarding your response to my comment on Mamba girls speaking English, I have engaged with a handful already who are able to type in pretty good English and probably speak it to the same degree or better as well.Forgot to mention also that when using the online Google Translator, you can click on and access a pop-up Russian keyboard which your Russian speaking guest can use to type messages back to you.
Global Surfer
05-23-13, 01:13
Just out of curiosity has anybody been to Paradise in the premier palace hotel? What are the prices like-millennium or more expense? Since it is on the eight floor, do I need to take the stairs or can I use the elevator to get there? I'd like to see it just once, I don't know if the prices are too high. Then forget that.I think it would be great help if you just try it and post your comments in the forum.
Stairs or elevator: I think any five start hotel would offer you some mechanized means of getting to 8th floor.
Expensive or very expensive: You are not committing to anything just by going there. If it is too expensive have a beer and come back.
Apparently club scene is expensive in Kiev apart from a few recent reports about Vodka bar.
If you are young and know how to speak then freebie is definitely a option in most bars apart from hard core pros.
Mamba and web based agencies like top model and escort model are the relatively cheap but hit or miss. Don't trust their pics but you may get a good girl.
Global Surfer
05-23-13, 01:17
LilJoey. This may be a stupid question, but how can you engage in back and forth conversation when most keyboards in the USA have an English-only keyboard? Or is it mainly you typing the message and her nodding yes and no?
Also, regarding your response to my comment on Mamba girls speaking English, I have engaged with a handful already who are able to type in pretty good English and probably speak it to the same degree or better as well.I have tried to use translation service primarily to hide the fact that I am not a native Russian Speaker.
Google translation is not good. Most of them immediately pick up that I am using translator service and start chatting in English.
How you chat.
Type in English and ask Google to translate in Russian and then just do copy and paste. You do not need keyboard.
You can use this technique with all languages.
LilJoey. This may be a stupid question, but how can you engage in back and forth conversation when most keyboards in the USA have an English-only keyboard? Or is it mainly you typing the message and her nodding yes and no?
Also, regarding your response to my comment on Mamba girls speaking English, I have engaged with a handful already who are able to type in pretty good English and probably speak it to the same degree or better as well.My personal experience is that Russian girls speak english much better than they write.
Member #4722
05-23-13, 02:29
Type in English and ask Google to translate in Russian and then just do copy and paste. You do not need keyboard.Yes, I understand this. I have chatted with many girls on Mamba using Google Translation. I am wondering how (in person) the girl types back through the translator when my keyboard has no Cryllic letters.
I agree the Google Translator doesn't really work that well in translating your exact meaning, but it seems good enough to get your point across.
But I have chatted with many nice looking girls that speak passable English on Mamba, and I don't think that should be a deterrent for those non-Russian-speaking hobbyists that want to score in Kiev.
AColonizer
05-23-13, 15:46
Your business is good.
But I should avoid to write your last sentence because men here are lazy, and they think to pay any price to get easy sex, and they read your last sentence, and all of them go to Germany, and most of them (as usual) will be disappointed. In fact you forgot to write the entry fee in a FKK, and 30 minutes for a trivial condomed pussy sex, and payment in advance, and most of prostitutes are Romanian, and prostitutes count the seconds of performance, entry fee + performance price + accommodation + airfare = the same price of a top-escort everywhere in the world.
The last but not the least, an Antonello Venditti's Italian song sings "there is no sex without love" (the usual Italian bullshit) , and I have changed that sentence " there is no sex without asshole", because nobody can say to have sex without anal sex, and nobody can say to have sex without fucking mouth, pussy and asshole. Therefore, men always should be aware the word sex doesn't mean pussy only, but the word sex means mouth-pussy-asshole inseparably, and this is a basic rule in dealing with any kind of females (girlfriends, wives, prostitutes). Instead if the lazy audience here still believes in sweet female words, then we should close this forum.
1 hour = 60. 70$
2-3 Hours = 150$
Overnight= 200$ or better 1600grn, it depends of service 1500 classic. 2000grn oral without, CIM + anal +++.
But not more.
I had girls for overnight for 1000grn (120$) with Mamba, you must know about girls, then it is possible.
Try, learn, this need much time.
Or.
Go to Germany to the Clubs 50€ for 30 min good sex, beautiful girls.
Ukraine this is work.
Dear Angus,
Not only is Rog123 correct about there being plenty of girls that speak English on mamba. Ru, but you don't even NEED that the girls speak English. You can have sex with the girls on mamba that only speak Russian too.
Happy Mongering.
LJHey LJ! Thanks so much for the advice! This is all good. I am doing my Mamba homework as we speak.
I arrive in Kiev tomorrow, if you're interested in drinks I am up for it PM me!
In regards to Mamba, I understand prices are lower than the clubs, and usually in the $100 / hr or even less range. However, my question is does one usually pay more for really hot women or can you get smoking hotties for that rate as well? I know hotness is a subjective term. I mean 9's and 10's. Think models, actress types. I am only asking because as an American with $$ to spend I don't want to pay too much and raise prices on all you guys. However, I am only in Kiev a short time and don't want to miss out on potential P4P because I was trying to negotiate down an extra 50 or 100 $!
If I get a hottie on Mamba for $300 for 2 hrs. That's a decent rate right? Assuming she looks like her pictures, which if she doesn't I will send her away (will meet in a public place first). I have seen some postings where people pay that much for a really hot girl. Not to mention $400/$500 for overnights with girls from clubs.
I did just contact a girl on Mamba, she asked price so I said $200 for 2 hours. She wrote back 'Bo' I still don't know what that means. Maybe it was her Russian way of saying 'No. '
One more Mamba Question. I understand a lot of girls use fake pics. So how do you guys maneuver around this? I haven't done the Skype thing. That seems time consuming. Do girls actually skype with you before you meet? And asking them to send pics doesn't work, because if they posted fake pics to Mamba they could just as easily send you more fake pics.
I don't want to meet a girl and have her be ugly and turn her away and then be screwed out of pussy for the afternoon or evening. So what do you think about lining up 2 or 3 in a row. Perhaps separated by an hour apart. And then if the first girl works out you just SMS the others and postpone the date? Is that a good way to go about it or do you risk pissing those other girls off and never seeing them again.
Anyone tried that before? What's your strategy on setting up dates to work around the Mamba bait and switch?
Jimmy Boy 99
05-24-13, 06:12
When I do a search, I can only put in "any country" for location if I don't want to look in the USA, so I get a lot of girls from places I am not interested in, like Russia. Is there anyway to search only for Kiev girls? Also, two girl's profiles disappeared, one after telling me her price for an hour, and the other after giving me her phone number. Why? Thanks.
?.Also, two girl's profiles disappeared, one after telling me her price for an hour, and the other after giving me her phone number. Why? Thanks.Jimmy, and other newbies at Mamba / Flirt / Meetmenow / Loveunet, you should get VIP status ASAP, if you are serious about meeting girls. Profiles get shut down by administrator and also girls sometimes get cold feet, just as some men skip their plans and go to meet Thai flowers instead of the roses of Ukraine.
Angus, some girls are used to escort oligarchs and demand 500$/hour, possibly negotiate to 500 / three hour. I once met such a girl, she of course spoke perfect English and had been modelling in Metro City for nine months, but now I stick to the more normal girls. 4-800uah / hour. Planning serial dates is normal, but don't be pissed if some will not show up, pros girls also do serial dates and skip the rest when they have got what they want. It's an endless game of learning to be on top, literally and metaphorically speaking.
Good luck, RB.
PS Why are some people here so contemptful over a few girls with fake photos, most of them are real. And don't you use fake photos yourself in profile?
Harry Hirsch
05-24-13, 11:10
Yesterday I Play at Mamba, I have a VIP Mamab Account.
Change the Destination to Kiev.
Serch Girls from 19. 27 looking for "sex" and "Meet up date"
Change to the girls who is Online.
Take my Favorite to a new "Tab", Now I have 10 Tabs open!
Write a text."You want much Fun this night with me?"
Every Girl who is online answer me!
The first want 3000grn.) I answer " from 1:30 till 10:00 1700grn, she answer till 08:00 2000grn, I say bye bye, she answer bye bye. 2 minuts later she write when, I answer now, she say OK, I ask Oral without and CIM, sh. NO No, I. Bye bye, She say Oral without Ok but no CIM. With this I stoped our Chat.
Next girl I offer her 1700grn till 10:00, make with her nearlie the same gameOral without and CIM possible.
Than I try it for 1500grn.
I test it at 2 girls, the same game. BUT IT WORKS.
When you are smart, you go 4 weeks before your trip to internet and Mamba, Safe all girls in your brain.
Some girls are not much time online, maybe 1time per month, or less.
She need money, maybe 1000 grn, make her this offer and she is yours)
Mamba this is a game arrea for mens.
AtAColonizer.
It is very easy in Germany, I don't tell about entreance, yes it is 40-60€ but include drinking and eating, Sauna, Pool and more.
The girls are from Romania, Bulgaria and some from Germany, Sex 30 min 50€, Cum in Condom, maybe on Body, CIM +50€.
But when you take one girl for full day and give her 500$ it is all include. (speak and try)
For myself, I go to Towns in Ukriane, take Womans 35/40 nice looking, good Body,
She get for one week, sex no limit 300€. She is happy and me too)
Jimmy Boy 99
05-24-13, 15:02
Jimmy, and other newbies at Mamba / Flirt / Meetmenow / Loveunet, you should get VIP status ASAP, if you are serious about meeting girls. Profiles get shut down by administrator and also girls sometimes get cold feet, just as some men skip their plans and go to meet Thai flowers instead of the roses of Ukraine.I have VIP status. How do I narrow the search to Kiev?
When I do a search, I can only put in "any country" for location if I don't want to look in the USA, so I get a lot of girls from places I am not interested in, like Russia. Is there anyway to search only for Kiev girls? Also, two girl's profiles disappeared, one after telling me her price for an hour, and the other after giving me her phone number. Why? Thanks.Hi Jimmy,
My PM box is full and my laptop is unavailable to copy over my messages into before deleting the messages in my PM box to create some room, so unfortunately I can't fo PM's for the moment. But I see you posted the same question on the thread, so I will respond here.
I usually am using the mamba application for iPhone which has a better photo display and also is easier to go back and forth to the Google Translate application for iPhone. On the iPhone application I am able to search for Kiev area.
I went online to mamba. Ru on the Internet using my iPhone and what I see after touching the "Search" button is a link saying "show criteria" above the current search results. When I click "search criteria" I get to specify criteria like age range and location. In the "location" drop down list, in addition to the "Any Country" option you mentioned, there should also be a search option for "Select Another City". Clicking on that should enable you to navigate to a selection of countries. You should select "Ukraine". Unfortunately, you are correct that it doesn't let you search for only in Kiev, and you will get results from other cities in Ukraine. That is an advantage of using the iPhone application which allows one to search only Kiev even without being a VIP member. Of course, you could always pay to become a VIP mamba user.
The disappearance of profiles because they are getting deleted by the web administrator of the mamba. Ru website at a relentless pace, is part of the website's war on those who violate the terms of use by posting fake pictures or trying to conduct a p4p business on the website. You must therefore endeavor to get the phone number as soon as possible and once you have it, to copy over the girl's photos (using "print screen" function key on your computer) onto a separate Word document together with her rates, phone number, language skill and any other important details you want to preserve, before her profile gets deleted.
LJ
Blue Swede
05-24-13, 16:12
I am wondering how (in person) the girl types back through the translator when my keyboard has no Cryllic letters.Add Cyrillic keybord setting, om Windows it takes like 1 minute. I guess they know where the keys are.
Blue
1 hour = 60. 70$
2-3 Hours = 150$
Overnight= 200$ or better 1600grn, it depends of service 1500 classic. 2000grn oral without, CIM + anal +++.
But not more.
I had girls for overnight for 1000grn (120$) with Mamba, you must know about girls, then it is possible.
Try, learn, this need much time.
Or.
Go to Germany to the Clubs 50€ for 30 min good sex, beautiful girls.
Ukraine this is work.I do agree with Harry Hirsch, that the Germany FKK clubs offer a very attractive alternative to mongering in Kiev. So much so, that I try to incorporate a stop at an FKK for a day, into my Kiev trips. In fact, in my most recent trip to Kiev, I used Austrian Airlines, which enabled me to stop in Frankfurt for the afternoon on the way into Kiev, and to overnight in Vienna on the way back from Kiev.
I had hoped for good weather for my afternoon in Frankfurt because I wanted to enjoy the hotties lounging naked around the outdoor pool at FKK Oase, but it was an overcast rainy day when I got to Frankfurt and I had to play indoors, so I sampled the delights of the black haired beauty, Evelinda from Krakow, and later did a duo with hot-bodied brunette Amanda from Romania and her hot blonde sexy friend Jennifer from Hungary. Of note, the facilities at Oase have undergone some nice improvements.
On the return trip from Kiev, the afternoon and evening I spent at FKK Goldentime in Vienna was superb, enabling me to enjoy sessions with black-haired beauty Iris, gorgeous blue-eyed blonde hottie Karina, smokin' body brunette Ramona and lastly Adriana, a beauty with black hair, very pretty face and smouldering eyes. All four.Romanian beauties.
So I am convinced that There is really no better deal than the FKK clubs in terms of the high level of beauty of many of the FKK girls, combined with the more or less guaranteed high level of GFE service of the FKK girls, where BBBJ and DFK and DATY is supposed to be part of the standard* included service. So even though it is necessary to use one's skills to avoid falling into the hands of a poor service provider, by and large the FKK experience is reliable and relatively worry-free, compared to other p4p venues.
(*although in FKK Palace in Frankfurt there were posts reporting that some girls were trying to upsell some of these normally included services as "extras" to customers trying to book them for only a half-hour session. But this problem is usually avoidable by booking them and telling them that if the session is good it can continue for an hour or more, giving them an incentive to do their best in order to get a longer session.)
But in spite of my own enthusiasm for the FKK's, I must, nevertheless, point out that the FKK's are a comparatively far more expensive mongering option than what is available in Kiev!
Although Harry is correct that the session fee for half an hour is only 50 Euro ($65 USD) , which sounds like a deceptively low price, to that amount must be added the entrance fee of 75 Euro. Therefore, the total cost for the initial half hour session is really 125 Euro for a half hour. That is equivalent to a 250 Euro ($323 USD) per HOUR rate, which is a ridiculously high rate to pay, compared to Kiev rates of $75 / hr or $100 / hr! So, the fact is that the price at the FKK's is not really competitive to what is possible in Kiev.
From a practical point of view, I don't feel it is worth it to visit an FKK, unless one is prepared to do a significant amount of sessions, like around three hours of sessions, in order to end up with an hourly rate that is barely acceptable. The more sessions one does, the more sessions there are over which one can amortize the 75 Euro entrance fee.
You need to crunch the numbers to see what the effect on the hourly rate is by doing more sessions. The advertised price of 50 Euro per half hour session, translates into a rate of 100 Euro per full hour. So if, for example, you do three hours of sessions at an FKK, the total price for the sessions (as long as you did no extras like anal, or cum on face or body) , will be 300 Euro, plus the 75 Euro entrance fee, for a total expenditure of 375 Euro ($480 USD) for three hours of sex. This divides into the three hours and results in an effective rate of 125 Euro / hour, which in US Dollars is $160 / hour.
So Kiev rates easily beat the rates at an FKK, even after bringing down the FKK rate by doing 3 hours of sessions there, as illustrated.
Even though you have lowered the net hourly rate at the FKK from the ridiculous 250 Euro ($323 USD) per hour rate you would pay if you just did one half hour session, down to an hourly rate of 125 Euro ($160 USD) per hour, by doing three hours of sessions, this is still a pretty high rate, when compared to the lower rates per hour available in Kiev of $100 / hr or less.
There are guys who will try to economize by getting their business done in half hour sessions, and they will ejaculate three times in three half hour sessions. That will reduce their total outlay of cash for that FKK visit to 225 euros (sessions 50+50+50+entrance 75). However, their actual hourly rate paid is (225 euro / 1. 5 hours =) 150 Euro / hour ($192 USD / hour) , a too high rate. They could have done far better in Kiev.
With these calculations of cost in mind, one can see that spending $160 / hour to fuck girls in an FKK for three hours of sessions minimum (it would cost more per hour if you did less than 3 hours of sessions, as demonstrated above) , is equivalent to paying $320/2 hours, or $480/3 hours, with a nightclub girl or a strip club girl in Kiev.
What we can see from the foregoing calculations is that the cost of sex in the Frankfurt area FKK's is about equivalent to the costs of Kiev's pricier nightclub girls who ask for $500 or $400 and for whom $300/2hours is a negotiated minimum.
It has been pointed out by purists on this thread that to be truly accurate one must account for the cost of meals saved when going to an FKK where food and drink is included in the entrance fee. Also it has been pointed out that in the FKK one enters the session room and one's time begins after the showers have already been taken and both you and the girl are ready to begin sex right away. However, in the case of a Kiev nightclub girl, the time of the session will begin when you arrive at your apartment or hotel room and part of the session time will be consumed by some conversation as well as showers, so you would lose at least 15 minutes of a 2 hour session to the time consumed by these preliminary preparations, in the case of a Kiev nightclub girl. So in order to accurately compare costs of FKK vs. Kiev, one must take these factors into account, and make adjustments to the hourly rate to reflect the accurate cost in each scenario.
To these purists I will respond, that their points are well taken, and I once performed the calculations necessary to see the precise effects of these type of adjustments to the rates, out of curiousity, and I invite whoever is interested to find my old posts on this topic, for I will not repeat the calculations here. All I will say is that although there is an effect on the comparative rates that makes rates of the Kiev nightclub girls slightly higher per hour, it does not change the basic conclusion.
The basic conclusion is that FKK costs are comparable to pricey nightclub girls fees in Kiev, and the fact that remains is that Kiev's lower cost options of $100 / hr or $75 / hr for Internet girls is much lower than FKK costs!
On mamba. Ru the girls routinely ask for 800 UAH / hr ($100 USD). Some ask for 600 UAH / hr ($75).
Take a look at top-modals. Com and see all the listings for as low as 300 UAH / hr ($37) , or 400 UAH / hr ($50).
These are very low prices! Of course, no is guaranteeing you a beauty for such low rates. But it is sometimes possible to find a good looking woman for such low rates below $50 / hour. And it is routinely possible to find hotties at the $100 / hour rate.
And with the foregoing, I am only comparing the initial hour low rates available in Kiev. When you also consider that multiple hour long dates and all night dates in Kiev are possible for just a slight increase to the cost of the initial hour, which reduces the hourly net rate to a mere fraction of the 1st hour rate, then you realize that Kiev offers the potential of ridiculously low rates compared to the FKK option. In Kiev, for example, it is possible to get a girl who asks for $100 / hr for the first hour, to agree to multiple hours for another $50. Or to agree to an all night date of 10 or 12 hours for a total of $250 or $300. If you negotiate hard, or the girl really likes you, you might get the overnight for $200 total, or even $150. What's your hourly net rate look like then? Even $300/12 hours represents a $25 / hour rate, and a $200/12 hours date represents a $16 / hour rate. These are ridiculously low rates that are possible in Kiev.
Harry Hirsch has himself acknowledged the differences in rates between Germany FKK's and Kiev rates. I understood his intent was only to point out that if you are one of those paying very high rates of nightclub girls in Kiev and not benefitting from the really low rates possible in Kiev, then you might at well consider going to Germany where the pretty girls are spoon-fed to you for such rates.
Harry Hirsch then followed up with a brilliant post illustrating how he negotiates on mamba to get girls for ALL NIGHT for less than $200. The wise will learn something from Harry's post.
Now I don't know the level of looks of the girls who agree to an all night for less than $200, and Harry writes that he is happy with women in the 35-40 age range who have good bodies, so I don't know if his tastes are similar to other mongers who only prize young girls in the 18. 26 age range who are model beautiful, but you never know what's possible until you try negotiating "hard" like Harry does. If you didn't get it, in order to negotiate "hard" you must be ready to say "bye-bye" and mean it. If you are not ready to walk away, then the girl will have the upper hand in negotiating, and you will pay the higher rates.
With respect,
LJ
You can add a transparent overlay on each letter on an English keyboard that gives you the cyrillic letters (having swapped into cyrillic in windows) , I use this. Alternatively you can write Russian using english letters and this is what a lot of russians will do. Personally I sometimes find this harder than writing in cyrillic. Lastly you can always get a cyrillic keyboard. Like english keyboards plentiful and easy to swap between languages.
Add Cyrillic keybord setting, om Windows it takes like 1 minute. I guess they know where the keys are.
Blue
Jimmy Boy 99
05-24-13, 18:10
I went online to mamba. Ru on the Internet using my iPhone and what I see after touching the "Search" button is a link saying "show criteria" above the current search results. When I click "search criteria" I get to specify criteria like age range and location. In the "location" drop down list, in addition to the "Any Country" option you mentioned, there should also be a search option for "Select Another City". Clicking on that should enable you to navigate to a selection of countries. You should select "Ukraine". Unfortunately, you are correct that it doesn't let you search for only in Kiev, and you will get results from other cities in Ukraine. That is an advantage of using the iPhone application which allows one to search only Kiev even without being a VIP member. Of course, you could always pay to become a VIP mamba user.
The disappearance of profiles because they are getting deleted by the web administrator of the mamba. Ru website at a relentless pace, is part of the website's war on those who violate the terms of use by posting fake pictures or trying to conduct a p4p business on the website. You must therefore endeavor to get the phone number as soon as possible and once you have it, to copy over the girl's photos (using "print screen" function key on your computer) onto a separate Word document together with her rates, phone number, language skill and any other important details you want to preserve, before her profile gets deleted. LJHi LilJoey,
Thanks for the information. It never occurred to me to click on "another city" because I thought that it would be another city in the US. It would be a lot more obvious if it was labeled correctly. This will make my search much easier. Thanks again.
Harry Hirsch
05-24-13, 18:10
Thanks LilJoey, for this great Post.
I had my last Mamba girl before 2, 5 Years)
I like Sex without Condom, I know it is dangerous, but last 2, 5 Years I make longetime Sponsoring with girls. Hope this way is
They have a little work in Kiev and get all month enough money from me for living (Flat and eat) , but not to much)
Before this time, I use Mamba on this way what I write. 1Year)
And yesterday evening try it again. Ok Mamba is now not the same to 3 Years before, because they change 4 weeks before the search options, now it work much better. The Girls need little bit time to know about the new options.
With this less money what I pay)
Don't be afraid that you don't get a girl for this night, take 3 or 4 girl to reserve and if you don't find cheep girl take them, or go to Rio.
Most girls want have for overnight much Money, ask tehm for 2 or 3 hours this is 1200 +- 200uah.
If she is good and it works good, you can ask her for overnight.
About Germany, It is a very Cheep SEX Destination! We have Clubs, you pay 120€ entreance, you get towels and drinking and have 3 time sex with the girls, the girls are not beautiful but OK. BBBJ, CIM, Anal, and more is possible. But no GF6, no discusion. SEX only. But when you go there with some friends you can make your own fun)
Very Cheep: http://www.fkk-63128dietzenbach.com/index.html
One of the best in Germany ;-) http://www.fkk-sharks.de/
I have in 3 weeks last meeting with my Girl 22/170/65 then we go other ways) I take the way with "old" womans) maybe sometimes again to Kiev or must married)
You can add a transparent overlay on each letter on an English keyboard that gives you the cyrillic letters (having swapped into cyrillic in windows) , I use this. Alternatively you can write Russian using english letters and this is what a lot of russians will do. Personally I sometimes find this harder than writing in cyrillic. Lastly you can always get a cyrillic keyboard. Like english keyboards plentiful and easy to swap between languages.Blue Swede / Jonners,
There is a pop up Cyrillic keyboard that is part of Google Translate online. So it is possible for a Russian speaker to use that pop-up electronic keyboard by using the mouse, and hence no need to use the Windows options for a Cyrillic keyboard for those using Google Translate.
Of course, for those who are fluent Russian speakers who want to respond on mamba directly by writing their own Russian language responses, the advice on Windows options for Cyrillic is spot on. Nevertheless, once one has installed the Cyrillic keyboard in Windows, if one does not have an overlay for the keyboard, my suggestion of making a Word doc with all the letters of the keyboard typed out row by row and printing it out, gives one a visual guide to the Cyrillic keyboard that makes finding the keys that correspond to each Cyrillic letter pretty easy.
I do agree with Harry Hirsch, that the Germany FKK clubs offer a very attractive alternative to mongering in Kiev. So much so, that I try to incorporate a stop at an FKK for a day, into my Kiev trips. In fact, in my most recent trip to Kiev, I used Austrian Airlines, which enabled me to stop in Frankfurt for the afternoon on the way into Kiev, and to overnight in...Great reporting. You report answered alot of my questions as I'm planning to visit Ukraine in July.
Reallywildone
05-25-13, 16:17
Hi,
Just signed up for Mamba. I'm trying to top up my account, but I get an error message, saying : Error Code 3404, contact the support team. But there's no link and no way to contact the support team. I've tried looking at the help pages, no joy.
Any help would be much appreciated!
Many thanks.
Dear fellow hunters.
Can anybody recommend escort web site with in Kiev or Odessa without the usual fake photos or bait and switch (there should be a law against these acts)?
Does anybody have any experience with TOP Model. Com? Seems legit with verified photos and reviews etc.
Hi,
Just signed up for Mamba. I'm trying to top up my account, but I get an error message, saying : Error Code 3404, contact the support team. But there's no link and no way to contact the support team. I've tried looking at the help pages, no joy.
Any help would be much appreciated!
Many thanks.Hello Reallywildone.
I think I experienced the same problem. It is temporary. Try again later. However, after hours of seeking out contacts, I chatted with a bunch of girls that, may or may not have been prostitutes. Only one confirmed contact. I will meet her tomorrow. I will post my experience on the board.
With all due respect to the experienced fellows on this board, I have found the Mamba experience very difficult. If you are short on time, I recommend Club Rio. The girls are a sure bet. If I calculate the time I spent getting one contact, versus getting over to Rio for a takeout, guess which one gets you to your goal faster? It is hard work. I hope it will be worth it. Kiev is lively right now. If you do not come for just the sex, the city is alive.
FiddyCent
Global Surfer
05-26-13, 00:57
Dear fellow hunters.
Can anybody recommend escort web site with in Kiev or Odessa without the usual fake photos or bait and switch (there should be a law against these acts)?
Does anybody have any experience with TOP Model. Com? Seems legit with verified photos and reviews etc.I think prostitution itself is illegal in this country, how can you enforce legality on illegal trade. The nature of web is such that the server hosting the site may be physically located in Canada or Australia so one can enforce the law.
Top-Model pictures were definitely not genuine until last year. However, the girl they send were acceptable. So considering the price performance ratio they are definitely worth a try. Their receptionist can speak good English so it would help if you tell her your requirements.
In short, my experience with Mamba, TopModel and Escort-Model is that the pictures are usually not genuine and mostly likely you will get a decent girl at a reasonable price.
hey lj! thanks so much for the advice! this is all good. i am doing my mamba homework as we speak.
i arrive in kiev tomorrow, if you're interested in drinks i am up for it pm me!
in regards to mamba, i understand prices are lower than the clubs, and usually in the $100 / hr or even less range. however, my question is does one usually pay more for really hot women or can you get smoking hotties for that rate as well? i know hotness is a subjective term. i mean 9's and 10's. think models, actress types. i am only asking because as an american with $$ to spend i don't want to pay too much and raise prices on all you guys. however, i am only in kiev a short time and don't want to miss out on potential p4p because i was trying to negotiate down an extra 50 or 100 $!
if i get a hottie on mamba for $300 for 2 hrs. that's a decent rate right? assuming she looks like her pictures, which if she doesn't i will send her away (will meet in a public place first). i have seen some postings where people pay that much for a really hot girl. not to mention $400/$500 for overnights with girls from clubs.
i did just contact a girl on mamba, she asked price so i said $200 for 2 hours. she wrote back 'bo' i still don't know what that means. maybe it was her russian way of saying 'no. '
one more mamba question. i understand a lot of girls use fake pics. so how do you guys maneuver around this? i haven't done the skype thing. that seems time consuming. do girls actually skype with you before you meet? and asking them to send pics doesn't work, because if they posted fake pics to mamba they could just as easily send you more fake pics.
i don't want to meet a girl and have her be ugly and turn her away and then be screwed out of pussy for the afternoon or evening. so what do you think about lining up 2 or 3 in a row. perhaps separated by an hour apart. and then if the first girl works out you just sms the others and postpone the date? is that a good way to go about it or do you risk pissing those other girls off and never seeing them again.
anyone tried that before? what's your strategy on setting up dates to work around the mamba bait and switch?dear angus,
these are all good questions, which have been discussed before in my previous posts, and the posts of others. in light of the new cadre of newbies posting on this thread who are apparently planning kiev trips this year, let me say to you all that you will only gain a lot if you invest the time to read the last 2 years or so of posts, and being lazy in this respect is going to cost you in the end. having said that, i think i will respond to you at length, angus, as my comments are directed towards all newbies contemplating a kiev trip. dear veterans i beg your patience as you will probably learn nothing new here. it's all back in the thread in this forum. but which newbie bothers to read the fucking thread and all the stuff we wrote before anyways. lol.
mamba. ru should be your first line of attack:
apparently, angus, your own thinking cap has produced the method, which also was hit on by others before you, of how to best confront the fake picture problem of kiev internet girls. yes, absolutely, and of course, the best way to find hotties on mamba or other internet sites is to search through as many of the girls as possible, within the shortest time frame possible, to see what they look like, so you can choose the hottest and best of them to be with.
the way to do this is to "speed date" as many of them as time allows, in a public place, and schedule follow up meetings with those you like.
i wrote about this many times previously, and took to calling it the "hunter dave" method, because it was first recommended to me by this senior member when we met once for a drink at the "beer house" in arena city, although i'm sure others have used the same method before us.
hunter dave advised to use several different cafe's or bars or restaurants in near proximity in the downtown area, and to schedule short meetings because of your "very busy business schedule", and when the time came for the next "speed date", to simply make your excuses that you need to get to another meeting and hurry off to meet the next girl at the next location.
you must warn the girls in advance that you have a very tight schedule of meetings and they must not be late. if a girl is late for an appointment she gets bumped and rescheduled. do not leave yourself at the mercy of girls who are always late and inconsiderate. you have a goal to achieve.
in this manner, in a short number of days, you will have gone through a fair number of mamba girls and will know what they look like, so you can pick the best of them to meet with again.
of course, if you know right away that you want to screw a girl you met, then set up a date with her for later that day or evening. imho this sort of "speed dating" should be done during daytime hours, while the nightclubs and strip clubs are closed. you can devote a reasonable number of daytime hours to this sort of "speed dating," and still leave yourself with evenings open for appointments with the hottest of the mamba girls you have met, or for seeking girls at night clubs or strip clubs.
now, although i agree with hunter dave's advice about "speed dating", i have never actually followed through on doing it that way myself. instead, i did what you just suggested in your question, angus. i invited the mamba girls i wanted to meet to come to my apartment. not to a cafe or restaurant. this was because my intention was to send away the ones who did not appeal enough, but to keep and immediately fuck the ones that were sexy enough, even if they were not 10's. in my book, at the cheap prices that were available on mamba of $75 / hr or even $100 / hr, i could afford to fuck girls who were 7's or 8's also, while hoping to meet a girl who is a 9 or a 10. if a girl was not attractive enough, she was sent away.
the way i was doing my mamba investigations was a much slower process than what hunter dave had recommended. he had said to do speed date meetings rapidly one after the other, not for immediate sex, but rather just to check the girls out. no sex was happening during the afternoon of the speed dating. rather sex came later when he scheduled a second meeting with one of the girls he liked. so he was able to check out a lot more girls during the speed dating afternoon.
my way of checking out the mamba girls was much slower because i was pausing to fuck each girl who was sexy enough. because of this i could not schedule as many meetings with mamba girls in an afternoon, because i had to allow at least an hour and a half to two hours of time for each date in case i would want to fuck them, and recuperate afterwards for the next girl. so the maximum number of mamba girls i could schedule to meet in one afternoon was two or three girls. and when one of those girls was not good looking, and i ended up sending her away, i was losing that hour and a half.
but i wasn't worried about the time waste that occurred when i lost an hour and a half when an unappealing girl showed up. why? because i had plans in the evenings to go hunting in the strip club where it was relatively easy to take out a hottie. so i felt i was covered even if i couldn't find a good enough girl from mamba during the day time. so i ended up doing a lot of daytime fucking with pretty good looking mamba girls.
which way of doing it is better? is it better to (method 1) spend a few afternoons of your trip not fucking anyone but simply meeting and eye-balling as many as 15-20 of the mamba girl contacts in a three day period, to be able to choose the best of them for sex meetings at night? or is it better to (method 2) dive right into the fucking, and fuck your way through your mamba contact list, getting to meet only 6 or 7 mamba girls during a three day visit to kiev, having spent your afternoons fucking all those who had some sex appeal?
i guess the answer depends on how much time you have in kiev on your visit, as well as what your priorities are. if your priorities are to only fuck the very best looking girls you can get to and you have, let's say, a week long visit to play with, i think it's better to have the patience and discipline to pursue the hunter dave method (method 1 above).
on the other hand, if you only have three days in kiev, spending all three of the afternoons just speed dating and not fucking anyone, just for the sake of having a larger pool of girls from which to choose your evening dates with mamba girls, might be an unbalanced approach for such a limited time visit to kiev.
i ended up feeling that during a short three day visit to kiev there should be more fucking in the afternoon, as well as more evening time opportunity to meet and fuck night club or strip club girls who were likely to be a prettier and hotter selection of girls than the mamba girls. so i adopted method 2 above, in order that i could have sex at least once in the afternoon with a mamba girl, and then, at night, taking out the hottest girl i could find from the strip club. i guess each monger will have to select for himself the method that works best for him individually.
i suppose there are in between variations of the two methods that might have worked for me on a short 3 day trip to kiev also. i could've done one day of speed dating at cafe's or restaurants (method 1) on the first day of my visit to try to meet the most promising 5 or 6 girls on my contact list. and then i could've switched to meetings at my apartment for sex for the next two days of my visit. maybe i will try that next time.
in the beginning of my own efforts in using mamba, i was not getting girls from mamba who were anywhere near as sexy and beautiful as the girls i was able to get from the strip club. and so my clear cut decision was to only entertain mamba girls during the daytime, but the evenings were reserved for trying to get the hottest girl i could find that night at a club, even though that meant paying at least $300 for 3 hours (the price at the cheapest strip club i knew).
but as i continued to meet more mamba girls in successive trips to kiev, i came across some pretty good looking girls and enjoyed the sex with them for the lower price of $100 / hour. and because of that, there came the time when i was willing to forgo going out to a club because the mamba girls i had met were sufficiently good looking to meet my needs.
however, the mamba girls i am speaking of were quite young and beautiful and although the first time they came it was for $100 / hour, it soon became the case that i wanted them to stay longer and the price became $200/2hours. could i have gotten these really pretty girls for $150/2hours? maybe no, maybe yes. i did not "hard" negotiate with them because i liked them and what i wanted from them henceforth was preferential treatment. i wanted them to prefer me to other customers, and to pick up the phone whenever i called, and to drop other clients when i wanted them. so i gave them what made them happy, knowing that even paying $200, i was doing far better than i had been doing when i had been paying $300 at the strip club.
on my most recent trip to kiev, i had dates scheduled with exclusively mamba girls, one even coming in from out of town for a two night stay. i have sufficient good contacts in kiev now, that there is not enough time in a visit to fuck them all, and i must make excuses and promise i will try to see them on my next trip. had i not been stood up by a mamba girl for a 1:00am appointment on the first night of my arrival in kiev, i would not have had even one occasion to go to a club to find a girl. the entire remaining six days and nights of my recent visit to kiev were occupied with mamba girls, and i was lucky to not have to send away even one of the new ones i met with.
the situation regarding pricing of p4p in kiev is somewhat subjective in that it depends partly on your own negotiating skills, certainly when dealing with independent girls, but also to an extent when dealing with a girl apartment or agency. one guy may be able to negotiate his way to a lower price than another guy may be able to.
the bottom line. just be aware of all the options available. during the daytime, try to get satisfaction out of the lower cost options on mamba and other sites, begin to build a good contacts list for kiev, and do your best to get lower rates. and in the evenings, hit the clubs and see what type of beauty is available as p4p and at what price.
getting the hottest girls quickly:
as far as the goal of getting the hottest and most model pretty type girls at the lowest possible price, it is still my general impression that it is much easier and quicker to get a very hot model type from a night club or strip club, than to get such a girl from mamba. but this pricier option only appeals to those mongers who can part with $300 for the sake of getting a very hot model type, and still have a good time. as we know from reading this thread, there are numerous members here for whom the price issue is more significant and who are ready to forgo the high priced model types because they are happy enough with the good looks of the girls who are available at the lower prices. to them the differential in beauty is not significant enough to justify the higher price. it is each individual monger's free choice though.
also an important factor often overlooked in discussing this choice is whether you are a newbie just coming to kiev for the first times, or whether you are a longtime visitor. the difference is that those who have been coming to kiev for a while, have already had an opportunity to meet many mamba girls, and to find girls that are good looking enough to satisfy their desires. so when one of these guys comes to kiev, he already has a lot of really hot pussy already lined up and in his contacts list, ready for fucking. with the luxury of all these hot girls in his contacts that he met on prior trips, he can sit there and comfortably pontificate to you about not wasting money on expensive nightclub girls, when you can get much cheaper girls on mamba.
you don't have to be intimidated by that kind of heckling, because what such a fellow fails to remember is that, as a newbie, you don't have a contacts list chocked full with hotties waiting to be called in for fucking. as a newbie, you are just beginning the search, and you don't have the same resources at your disposal.
as a newbie, you need to make the best decisions for your own needs at the moment. and going to bed without a really hot girl in your bed, on one of your few nights in kiev, is not a result you should accept, merely to please the viewpoints of others.
therefore, although it is a fact that you can get to hot girls who are relatively inexpensive by using mamba effectively, it is also a fact that this result is a "process" that will take time to accomplish. and if you spend an afternoon trying, but find that by early evening you have not gotten to a mamba hottie yet, then you should simply go to plan b, and go out to a night club or strip club to find what you need in terms of very hot pussy. you do not need to apologize to anyone for trying to get a hot girl on mamba, failing to get a satisfactory hottie for a cheap price, and then going out to a club to find a girl and paying $200, or even $300 for her. no one normal will fault you for doing that.
i would just want you to be aware of the cheap pussy options available in kiev with some effort and work. as long as you know about the options available on mamba. ru, and other internet escort sites, as well as girl apartments, and the economic benefits of trying to make headway with those options, then i feel we have done our duty as senior members or as veterans of kiev mongering, to make sure you don't needlessly pay more like a tourist dummy. if you know about and try the cheaper options, but due to circumstances, nothing good panned out for you, and you need to find a hottie, then any monger who has the resources and inclination to spend more on p4p when necessary, would also be out in the clubs trying to get a good girl. that's what being a monger is about.
the hierarchy of club prices for p4p:
however, even in seeking a hottie in the clubs, you need to be aware of some different options, so you can negotiate better, and choose where to look for girls better, in order to get the lowest price possible, and not needlessly overpaying some high priced prima dona in d'lux.
so just realize that there are reports of girls accepting $100 at vodka bar, and between that and $200 at other night clubs like shooters, avalon etc (see add'l names in the thread) (not d'lux or buddha bar which are known for the much higher prices). i don't know what the girls at these prices look like. but you can try and see what's possible in those clubs. a number of very credible veterans have recommended this as the best option to seek in the nightclub scene. to try to find hot enough girls for $200/2hours or less, which they report is possible. so this is worth trying first.
if you checked out a few nightclubs and don't find girls at such medium rates ($200/2hours) that are good looking enough for you, then the next price level up is the deal at the sister strip clubs rio and mandarin where the fixed price is $300/3hours for take out, which is a $100 / hr rate. other strip clubs have higher rates.
after that the next price level up would be the nightclub girls who start with higher price demands but can be negotiated down to $300/2 hours at places like buddha bar and d'lux. that is a $150 / hr rate, which is higher than the strip clubs i mentioned.
(however, i'm pretty sure that you can find girls hot enough for you at the strip club for $300/3hours, so you really should not have to come on to paying an independent girl $300/2hours, unless you chose that evening to go to d'lux and it is already too late at night to go to the strip club for a girl.)
above the $300/2hours price level, there are many websites offering girls for 150 euro / hour, which you will encounter if you do research on the internet for kiev escorts. there are no reports on this thread about whether those high priced websites photos are true or fake, and what the girls actually look like, for a very good reason. no one on this forum has ever contemplated paying such ridiculously high prices in kiev, when beautiful girls are available all over the city for much less than that.
the only escort websites that were of interest were those advertising with prices in the 800 uah range, plus or minus a few hundred grivna. i will only mention two websites that have some possibility of true pics.
i got two girls off of www.top-modals.com who were labelled "real photo" and who turned out to be true photos. this was in 2010, and these two girls have remained my friends and i see them from time to time until the present. these were independent girls. this of course does not guarantee that all photos labelled "real photo" on that website are true photos. clearly from looking at some of the phone numbers of the ads, showing multiple girls with the same phone number, it is obvious that a number of agencies or girl apartments are advertising on that website. and agencies are more likely to commit fraud and use fake photos. some of the photos are great, and i have been meaning to test them out, but never seem to find the time to do so, because of the parade of mamba girls marching through my bedroom each trip. but maybe one of you new guys will test them out and report.
www.gia-escort.com is a website that has very high prices but uses very photoshopped true pics, according to reports earlier in this thread. they list each girl's services, which is helpful to know in advance. i have never used them. i didn't find the girls they had good looking enough compared to the girls from the strip club in kiev i was getting for the same or even lower price.
about negotiating in nightclubs:
the following thoughts are the way it occurs to me to handle negotiations. i don't think i am the best or hardest negotiator. i am sure there are others on this forum who can explain how they successfully negotiate in a "harder" fashion. so the following is by way of illustration, for you newbies out there coming to kiev this year for the first time, to be able to get a feel for the basic parameters of this thing. feel free to improve on my comments, after some experience.
obviously when negotiating, you must aim at a lower price than you want to end up at. so if she asks for something like $200 (which is actually a reasonable price for 2 hours) , you will know you've hooked a minnow, but nevertheless, test the price to see if she will go down to $100, and test the amount of time to see if she will agree to an "all night" date or some specific number of hours greater than two hours.
but if she comes out with an initial demand of $500 or $400, you will know you've hooked one of the predatory sharks lurking these nightclub waters. you can respond that you are not some ignorant tourist. you're in kiev all the time on business, so you are well aware that the proper or established price girls get is 600 uah (pronounced "grivna") or maybe if they are very pretty 800 uah ($100). so since the girl you're speaking with is pretty, maybe you can live with $100/1 hour. and ask "how many hours did she have in mind for the $400 (or $500) she initially asked for? was she intending it as an "all night" price? maybe you would think about it for all night."
after that kind of response she will either turn up her nose at you, and and show you her back, or she will simply walk away, or she may continue negotiating and respond.
if she comes back with "2 hours", you can tell her "only 2 hours? for two hours you can live with $150/2hours, and if the service is very good and includes everything, maybe you might consider $200/2hours." at this point, she has got to come down in price from the $400 (or $500) that she started with for the negotiation to continue, because you've dug in your heels at a correct price of $150-$200 for 2 hours.
(note: if you say a much lower number she will probably not take you seriously and won't try to negotiate. as in any negotiation, there are responses that are interpreted by the other side as "i'm not interested in negotiating, so fuck off".)
anyway, if she does continue negotiating, you may find she comes down to $300/2hours. when the river palace used to be around this was the minimum rate the very hottest girls there would ever agree to.
if she does come down to $300/2 hours, you can further test the price by saying "ok, i'll agree to the $200/2hours, but she had better be good." who knows, maybe she will come down further to $250 or something in between. you can also test the amount of time.
remember, you could have gotten 3 hours/$300 (that's a $100 / hr rate) at the strip club with no hassle. is this nightclub girl really so hot that she deserves more and is worth $300/2 hours (a $150 / hr rate)?
so say you could agree to $300 only for something like 5 hours (that's tantamount to an "all night" anyways since you're probably having this negotiation sometime after midnight). see if she will agree to more hours. if she agrees to 3 hours, you've gotten the same as the strip club price. if she agrees to 4 hours or more for $300, you've done better than the strip club price.
but, this is all just if you want to test the limits of the shark you hooked, perhaps because she is truly uniquely hot, sexy and gorgeous. however, after all is said and done, your goal in the nightclubs was really to not go over $200/2hours. that is the whole reason you are trying to get a girl in the nightclubs, instead of going to the strip club in the first place. because the strip club price of $300/3hours is a very high price for kiev, and because $200/2 hours or less is possible in the nightclubs!
so your goal at the nightclub should be in the $100. $200 range. you did not go to the nightclub to get hooked by a shark for a higher price than you would pay even in the high priced strip club. the only exception i could understand is if the girl is truly a "10" and off the charts gorgeous and sexy, on a level higher than you normally see in a strip club. in that case, for much greater beauty, there may be some justification for a greater price.
angus, you asked me if paying $300/2hours is an ok rate? it's a top rate that anyone could consider in kiev, so it shouldn't be paid unless all efforts in other directions have failed. and the girl is off the charts beautiful!
there is one other situation where i have seen such $300 rates being asked, and that is very occasionally on mamba. ru. most girls on mamba are happy with $100 or some even less. but there are some girls on mamba who have taken to experimenting with higher prices. so every so often i get a demand on mamba for $300 or $200. i usually am able to get the girl to agree to enough hours to make such prices into a low rate. for example, getting the girl to agree to an overnight for that sum. if i see a girl is fixated on a particular total amount, i assume it is probably because that is how much she needs to pay her rent, or school or some other bill. so it will be hard to budge her off that number. however, she is incentivized by the same need, to agree to more hours, if you agree to that total number.
there are also some very gorgeous model type girls on mamba, who know they look awesome and are very different than most other mamba girls, and for this reason they demand a higher price. if so they may actually deserve more than the other girls. but only if they show up looking truly like models.
so you must negotiate with them. your overall goal is to stay as close to the $100 / hr standard as possible, and to try not to pay more than between $200 and $300 for an all nighter.
but sometimes the girl will stick at a price like $300/2hours. is it ok to pay it? the answer really depends on the beauty attributes of the girl, and on your desires at the moment. do you have other alternatives? yes? then maybe play hardball with her to see if she caves in. try to get three or more hours. try to get her to accept $200 or $250 for 2 hours. but if all else fails and if you don't have anything available nearly as good as her, then if you consider paying her price, it's your money. no one will fault you for it.
happy mongering to all you newbies! enjoy the fun in kiev!
lj
Reallywildone
05-26-13, 06:50
Thanks FiddyCent,
Shall try again. I've got time yet for my trip. Sometime in August. Also, am hoping to get the girl (s) to meet me in Western Europe rather than having to go to Kiev, that's why I'm trying the Mamba route. Good holiday for the girl, good company for both of us. .
BTW, I've checked on Google, and found that webbilling.com (Mamba use them for direct debit) are a really dodgy firm. I'm going to stick with Paypal to be safe. Anyone else. Any experience paying by credit card or Paypal?
Hello Reallywildone.
I think I experienced the same problem. It is temporary. Try again later. However, after hours of seeking out contacts, I chatted with a bunch of girls that, may or may not have been prostitutes. Only one confirmed contact. I will meet her tomorrow. I will post my experience on the board.
With all due respect to the experienced fellows on this board, I have found the Mamba experience very difficult. If you are short on time, I recommend Club Rio. The girls are a sure bet. If I calculate the time I spent getting one contact, versus getting over to Rio for a takeout, guess which one gets you to your goal faster? It is hard work. I hope it will be worth it. Kiev is lively right now. If you do not come for just the sex, the city is alive.
FiddyCent
Mamba- the problem is over 85% of the sex profiles have fake photos and info.
I wrote some girls, the ones who replied I asked them to email me their real photos, some did, most didn't, girls who emailed my their real photos were just not good enough, i mean i wouldnt even fuk them for free
Thanks FiddyCent,
Shall try again. I've got time yet for my trip. Sometime in August. Also, am hoping to get the girl (s) to meet me in Western Europe rather than having to go to Kiev, that's why I'm trying the Mamba route. Good holiday for the girl, good company for both of us. .
BTW, I've checked on Google, and found that webbilling. Com (Mamba use them for direct debit) are a really dodgy firm. I'm going to stick with Paypal to be safe. Anyone else. Any experience paying by credit card or Paypal?Hello Reallywildone.
The girl I met today is named Innochka. She is a petite blonde with blue eyes, but is probably slightly older than her profile says. She asked for $ 200 for a 2 hour meeting. This girl ended a long relationship with a cheating boyfriend and was using Mamba to meet men and perhaps get some sponsorship. At least, this was her story. The meeting in my apartment started awkwardly, but soon warmed up into a passionate session with plenty of foreplay. GFE for sure. Her BBBJ technique was nice. Slow and soft with the gentle ball licking. Her pussy was very tight. I had her in multiple positions before cumming. I stayed inside her pussy and pumped a few minutes more after my orgasm. Nice and warm inside. I did not want to leave. A question. Why not go to Kiev? It is a beautiful city. The thing you will miss the most is the array of beauties you may bump into on the streets. If you take a girl out of Kiev, you will miss out on an opportunity to find more beauties. However, it sounds like you are a classy gentleman. I hope you find the right Mamba girl.
As for the payment method, I just extended my membership for another 10 days using Paypal, however the transaction has not yet updated. It was yesterday when I made the payment. I guess the Mamba woes continue.
Best of luck. Hey, it was a holiday in Kiev today with a concert in the main square and a fireworks show to close the evening. I think everyone should visit this city at least once. You won`t believe the number of naturally beautiful girls you just randomly bump into on the streets.
FiddyCent
i think prostitution itself is illegal in this country, how can you enforce legality on illegal trade. the nature of web is such that the server hosting the site may be physically located in canada or australia so one can enforce the law.
top-model pictures were definitely not genuine until last year. however, the girl they send were acceptable. so considering the price performance ratio they are definitely worth a try. their receptionist can speak good english so it would help if you tell her your requirements.
in short, my experience with mamba, topmodel and escort-model is that the pictures are usually not genuine and mostly likely you will get a decent girl at a reasonable price.hey global surfer.
please understand i meant there should be a "law against false photos" as a figure of speech and not in the literal sense. what i object to is the use of photos that bear no resemblance whatsoever to the lady who you meet. ok there can be occasions where you are pleasantly surprised, but agencies should bear in mind that some of us have prepared in advance for a certain look or standard of of girl to arrive and not a blind date scenario.
ok so top-modal is less dubious than a year ago, but would i expect the same nubile beauty as in the the photo to turn up to my hotel room at 400 uah or 1000 uah.
as for mamba, i have managed to get a couple of numbers and, email address and a skype i'd. skype seemed a good idea until the lady in question demanded payment to a western union account for cybersex, not really my thing but at least you can see the goods beforehand if an actual meet was on the cards.
please fellas keep posting on to best approach these challenging matters.
happy hunting.
Hello Reallywildone.
Nice and warm inside. I did not want to leave. The thing you will miss the most is the array of beauties you may bump into on the streets.
FiddyCentHey Fiddy.
LOL "Nice and warn inside". Made me laugh out loud.
I can't wait for the Kiev experience, sadly I'll have to which gives time for preparation.
Thanks again for the invaluable heads up.
Happy Hunting.
Global Surfer
05-28-13, 01:32
hey global surfer.
please understand i meant there should be a "law against false photos" as a figure of speech and not in the literal sense. what i object to is the use of photos that bear no resemblance whatsoever to the lady who you meet. ok there can be occasions where you are pleasantly surprised, but agencies should bear in mind that some of us have prepared in advance for a certain look or standard of of girl to arrive and not a blind date scenario.
ok so top-modal is less dubious than a year ago, but would i expect the same nubile beauty as in the the photo to turn up to my hotel room at 400 uah or 1000 uah.
as for mamba, i have managed to get a couple of numbers and, email address and a skype i'd. skype seemed a good idea until the lady in question demanded payment to a western union account for cybersex, not really my thing but at least you can see the goods beforehand if an actual meet was on the cards.
please fellas keep posting on to best approach these challenging matters.
happy hunting.i can only tell you from my experience.
many ladies on mamba, top model and escort model are not hard core prostitutes. i don't think they will put their real pictures and expose themselves to their family, friends and colleagues.
mamba does provide some cover as they can list themselves as looking for long term relationship.
i never got the same girl and i understand your point that what you get is no way near what you are expecting. at the same time, i must admit that, my experience, was not that bad.
given the price you pay at the bar and the fact that one bar girl admitted that she goes for usd 100 on mamba but can get away with as much as usd 300 per hour in buddha bar, i think it is worth a try.
if you are not prepared to take the risk then try buddha bar, de lux or rio strip club.
recently there have been a report regarding vodka bar that you can get as low as usd 100 (i think it was that but not sure)
hotel lobby.
kyreshetic hotel lobby you may found a few for usd 100 for an hour. quality not that good or sometimes quality is not that bad but 30plus
If you use mamba you should definitely ask the girls to email you their real photos before the meeting otherwise you may waste too much time meeting below average girls.
Try vk. Com too.
Definitely stay away from RIO if you want BBJ and DATY, only a dumb fuking idiot would you pay over $300 in Kiev for chit chat covered blow job and no DATY and think its his best option in Kiev.
I was there over a month ago for 3 hours and the girls were just so average
CastOnThis
05-28-13, 14:11
Can you transport a hidden camera into a strip club?
In other words, can you be spotted if you are filming the girls?
Hotel Lobby.
Kyreshetic hotel lobby you may found a few for USD 100 for an hour. Quality not that good or sometimes quality is not that bad but 30plusI visited Kiev late April, and I did not see any girls in Kyreshetic hotel lobby.
I do not know what I doing wrong.
I also visited hotel lobby in Ukraine and Dnipro.
The only girl I find was in Ukraine. She wanted 500$.
When I tried to bargain the price, she refuse to speak with me.
Hey Now,
So here is my report from my first weekend in Kiev:
Meant to arrive Friday morning but missed connecting flight in London since my flight from NY was delayed. Also there was accident at Heathrow and all flights cancelled rest of the day. So I stayed overnight in London, spent 2 hours with a hot sexy pro there I had seen before, then flew to Kiev the next day.
Now, I had been to Kiev once before in 2009. During the River Palace days. I did my homework and I know times have changed. So I contacted a bunch of girls on Mamba and was prepared to go out at night to meet girls in the clubs. Problem is, I was so busy with work leading up to the trip I couldn't spend too much time on Mamba and only got 4 or 5 numbers before going. However, I am a QUALITY over quantity type of guy. I would much rather have 1 model hottie than 10 average looking girls.
So I arrive Friday afternoon and get situated. I meet my first Mamba girl around 8 or 9 pm. She is the same girl from the photos, but doesn't look as attractive (she was okay, maybe a 7 at most. In her photos she looked like a 9). She was very awkward and didn't want to discuss anything on the street (we met on street because I didn't want to invite her straight to my apartment). She didn't want to discuss anything on Mamba, so we had to talk price / hours before going up to my place. I suggested we get a drink and she laughed. As if this would be weird. I'm not sure what she was expecting? To go to my place and discuss everything. That wasn't going to happen. I will not let a girl up before I know exactly what I am in for. She spoke very good English too, so language wasn't an issue. We ended up walking a bit, and found a quiet place to talk. She was very awkward and nervous. Then I HEARD A MALE VOICE SPEAKING. I looked and saw she was holding her phone, with the camera lens pointed at me. I asked what that was, and she replied 'it's text message. ' Which makes no sense. Who was talking? Was she videoing me and showing her friend somehow? I immediately turned and bailed. Very shady. In all likelihood she was just keeping her friend on the phone to protect herself, not to film anything we were doing. But you cannot take any chances. And since she was just a 7 and I am in Kiev, I figured fuck it I will find someone better.
I wander around and drink a bit. I try to go to Arena, but they are having a 'private party' and want me to pay $250 USD to get a table. I say hell no and I leave (probably could have talked my way in but didn't want to deal with it.) I walk across the plaza to Skybar and they don't let me in because I have sneakers on. I reply that I am wearing $500 Prada sneakers (they are technically sneakers but look like shoes). The bouncers won't have it.
I will stop here to mention something about Kiev. It is not the same as 2009. The clubs have gotten a bit stricter with dress code. You must wear a button-down shirt and DRESS SHOES to enter. In America we can wear whatever we want as long as it looks good. T-shirts, jeans, whatever. Not in Kiev. They want you to dress up not down. Nobody told me that.
So now it's getting a bit late. I had an issue with eating bad food. Get home to crap and take an accidental nap. It turns out to be after midnight when I wake. I'm thinking, wow this night is screwed. I was even considering going back to bed. But fuck it I am in Kiev and it's Saturday night! So I shower up again and go across the street to Arena. There is a bar on the first floor. It's basically empty but I sit next to 2 Irish guys and immediately start talking. Another American shows up and we're all talking.
The 1 irish guy is around my age and super cool. He tells me he knows the owner of D'Luxe. We go there. They won't let me in because of my shoes again so we end up having to go back to his place for me to change into his shoes. Luckily we are same size. We get inside and place is really cool. Tons of hot chicks. Very large space. High end. I must say this tho. My impression of Kiev was that every girl is available as a pro. Or nearly every girl. I talked to about 10-15 girls in D'lux and let me tell you NOT ONE OF THEM WAS A PRO! Or maybe they were during the week. But not that night. You'd think an American in Kiev would have sparked their interest, but a lot of girls just shooed me away, some I talked to had boyfriends, and a couple I danced with and flirted with and one I even offered money to and she told me flat out she doesn't do that! I am only in Kiev a short time so not looking for a girlfriend. Looking for P4P here. Amazed that I left the place with nothing! But I had a great night anyway.
Sunday was mostly wandering around. Hanging out. I had one more Mamba girl set up for Sunday night and honestly wasn't expecting much. I know Kiev is full of hot girls but I felt like I missed out on them by arriving late Saturday and not setting up enough Mamba girls beforehand. Well. I was DEAD WRONG. When my Sunday night girl showed up. She was absolutely THE HOTTEST GIRL I HAVE SEEN ALL WEEKEND! Short blonde hair, HUGE tits, short little dress, perfect body, perfect legs. Pretty face. We had previously agreed to 2 hours for $300 and I was already planning to extend for the whole night if possible.
We get up to my room, drink a bit, make out, and run through all the wonderful sex. DATY, BBBJ, all kinds of rough sex. She was into being choked and even slapped a little, and I like that. I fucked her hard and good for the entire 2 hours. She had to get back otherwise would have kept her all night. I plan to see her next weekend when I return to Kiev if she is around. I also have another 4 or 5 beauties lined up. I am only in Kiev another 2 nights and want to do it right. There are just too many hotties in this city not to get laid like a champ.
I am in Prague now, about to meet a gorgeous escort here for a 4 hour romp.) So I am one happy man.
I will report on my second weekend after it happens. In short, be prepared for the clubs, line up as many Mamba girls as possible (I was too busy to do this.) make sure you get numbers / time/$$ agreed upon beforehand.
And don't assume you will just go to the club and get laid. I know it is possible because others have reported it here. But it is not a given. It is very possible you go to a club and find no P4P.
Angus out.
Can you transport a hidden camera into a strip club?
In other words, can you be spotted if you are filming the girls?Highly do not recommend this!
Do you do undercover work as a profession?
If not, even if you are using the top of the line equipment for concealed cameras on your person, you will likely give away the fact that you are filming by your manner and even your unintentional movements.
Please bear in mind that the people that operate things like strip clubs world over are usually associated with organized crime, and these are very rough people that you simply should NOT cross. This is even more so the case in a country in which your civil rights as a human being are not protected in the same way as in a more Western country like the US.
The mere fact that you even ask such a clueless question, makes me certain that you are a person that should definitely NOT do this, as the risks are too high and the consequences too severe.
Just go and enjoy the girls as you see them and have sweet memories like the rest of us.
LJ
Global Surfer
05-29-13, 00:53
I visited Kiev late April, and I did not see any girls in Kyreshetic hotel lobby.
I do not know what I doing wrong.
I also visited hotel lobby in Ukraine and Dnipro.
The only girl I find was in Ukraine. She wanted 500$.
When I tried to bargain the price, she refuse to speak with me.I think if you have read first 10-20 pages of the forum you should have no problem finding the girl.
When I stayed there, I think May last year, I saw 2/3 MILF most nights. Hotel might have changed their policy.
Anyway, Budha bar is next to the hotel where you can get one USD 200-300.
You could also have tried Caribbean, De Lux, and Vodka bar.
There is a dating site Mamba. Ru and a few agencies like top model and escort model
hey now,
so here is my report from my first weekend in kiev:
meant to arrive friday morning but missed connecting flight in london since my flight from ny was delayed. also there was accident at heathrow and all flights cancelled rest of the day. so i stayed overnight in london, spent 2 hours with a hot sexy pro there i had seen before, then flew to kiev the next day.
now, i had been to kiev once before in 2009. during the river palace days. i did my homework and i know times have changed. so i contacted a bunch of girls on mamba and was prepared to go out at night to meet girls in the clubs. problem is, i was so busy with work leading up to the trip i couldn't spend too much time on mamba and only got 4 or 5 numbers before going. however, i am a quality over quantity type of guy. i would much rather have 1 model hottie than 10 average looking girls.
so i arrive friday afternoon and get situated. i meet my first mamba girl around 8 or 9 pm. she is the same girl from the photos, but doesn't look as attractive (she was okay, maybe a 7 at most. in her photos she looked like a 9). she was very awkward and didn't want to discuss anything on the street (we met on street because i didn't want to invite her straight to my apartment). she didn't want to discuss anything on mamba, so we had to talk price / hours before going up to my place. i suggested we get a drink and she laughed. as if this would be weird. i'm not sure what she was expecting? to go to my place and discuss everything. that wasn't going to happen. i will not let a girl up before i know exactly what i am in for. she spoke very good english too, so language wasn't an issue. we ended up walking a bit, and found a quiet place to talk. she was very awkward and nervous. then i heard a male voice speaking. i looked and saw she was holding her phone, with the camera lens pointed at me. i asked what that was, and she replied 'it's text message. ' which makes no sense. who was talking? was she videoing me and showing her friend somehow? i immediately turned and bailed. very shady. in all likelihood she was just keeping her friend on the phone to protect herself, not to film anything we were doing. but you cannot take any chances. and since she was just a 7 and i am in kiev, i figured fuck it i will find someone better.
i wander around and drink a bit. i try to go to arena, but they are having a 'private party' and want me to pay $250 usd to get a table. i say hell no and i leave (probably could have talked my way in but didn't want to deal with it.) i walk across the plaza to skybar and they don't let me in because i have sneakers on. i reply that i am wearing $500 prada sneakers (they are technically sneakers but look like shoes). the bouncers won't have it.
i will stop here to mention something about kiev. it is not the same as 2009. the clubs have gotten a bit stricter with dress code. you must wear a button-down shirt and dress shoes to enter. in america we can wear whatever we want as long as it looks good. t-shirts, jeans, whatever. not in kiev. they want you to dress up not down. nobody told me that.
so now it's getting a bit late. i had an issue with eating bad food. get home to crap and take an accidental nap. it turns out to be after midnight when i wake. i'm thinking, wow this night is screwed. i was even considering going back to bed. but fuck it i am in kiev and it's saturday night! so i shower up again and go across the street to arena. there is a bar on the first floor. it's basically empty but i sit next to 2 irish guys and immediately start talking. another american shows up and we're all talking.
the 1 irish guy is around my age and super cool. he tells me he knows the owner of d'luxe. we go there. they won't let me in because of my shoes again so we end up having to go back to his place for me to change into his shoes. luckily we are same size. we get inside and place is really cool. tons of hot chicks. very large space. high end. i must say this tho. my impression of kiev was that every girl is available as a pro. or nearly every girl. i talked to about 10-15 girls in d'lux and let me tell you not one of them was a pro! or maybe they were during the week. but not that night. you'd think an american in kiev would have sparked their interest, but a lot of girls just shooed me away, some i talked to had boyfriends, and a couple i danced with and flirted with and one i even offered money to and she told me flat out she doesn't do that! i am only in kiev a short time so not looking for a girlfriend. looking for p4p here. amazed that i left the place with nothing! but i had a great night anyway.
sunday was mostly wandering around. hanging out. i had one more mamba girl set up for sunday night and honestly wasn't expecting much. i know kiev is full of hot girls but i felt like i missed out on them by arriving late saturday and not setting up enough mamba girls beforehand. well. i was dead wrong. when my sunday night girl showed up. she was absolutely the hottest girl i have seen all weekend! short blonde hair, huge tits, short little dress, perfect body, perfect legs. pretty face. we had previously agreed to 2 hours for $300 and i was already planning to extend for the whole night if possible.
we get up to my room, drink a bit, make out, and run through all the wonderful sex. daty, bbbj, all kinds of rough sex. she was into being choked and even slapped a little, and i like that. i fucked her hard and good for the entire 2 hours. she had to get back otherwise would have kept her all night. i plan to see her next weekend when i return to kiev if she is around. i also have another 4 or 5 beauties lined up. i am only in kiev another 2 nights and want to do it right. there are just too many hotties in this city not to get laid like a champ.
i am in prague now, about to meet a gorgeous escort here for a 4 hour romp.) so i am one happy man.
i will report on my second weekend after it happens. in short, be prepared for the clubs, line up as many mamba girls as possible (i was too busy to do this.) make sure you get numbers / time/$$ agreed upon beforehand.
and don't assume you will just go to the club and get laid. i know it is possible because others have reported it here. but it is not a given. it is very possible you go to a club and find no p4p.
angus out.angus, i had a similar experience when i went to d'lux the first time trying to find p4p girls, with no luck i might add. afterwards, i brought it up on this thread and some discussion ensued in which others stated that you have to hang out at the bar and keep your eyes peeled for p4p. the p4p girls are not looking for clients on the dance floor. so next time, try that and stay at the bar and see if any girls try to catch your eyes. if they do, chances are.
Hey Now,
So here is my report from my first weekend in Kiev:
Meant to arrive Friday morning but missed connecting flight in London since my flight from NY was delayed. Also there was accident at Heathrow and all flights cancelled rest of the day. So I stayed overnight in London, spent 2 hours with a hot sexy pro there I had seen before, then flew to Kiev the next day.
Now, I had been to Kiev once before in 2009. During the River Palace days. I did my homework and I know times have changed. So I contacted a bunch of girls on Mamba and was prepared to go out at night to meet girls in the clubs. Problem is, I was so busy with work leading up to the trip I couldn't spend too much time on Mamba and only got 4 or 5 numbers before going. However, I am a QUALITY over quantity type of guy. I would much rather have 1 model hottie than 10 average looking girls.
So I arrive Friday afternoon and get situated. I meet my first Mamba girl around 8 or 9 pm. She is the same girl from the photos, but doesn't look as attractive (she was okay, maybe a 7 at most. In her photos she looked like a 9). She was very awkward and didn't want to discuss anything on the street (we met on street because I didn't want to invite her straight to my apartment). She didn't want to discuss anything on Mamba, so we had to talk price / hours before going up to my place. I suggested we get a drink and she laughed. As if this would be weird. I'm not sure what she was expecting? To go to my place and discuss everything. That wasn't going to happen. I will not let a girl up before I know exactly what I am in for. She spoke very good English too, so language wasn't an issue. We ended up walking a bit, and found a quiet place to talk. She was very awkward and nervous. Then I HEARD A MALE VOICE SPEAKING. I looked and saw she was holding her phone, with the camera lens pointed at me. I asked what that was, and she replied 'it's text message. ' Which makes no sense. Who was talking? Was she videoing me and showing her friend somehow? I immediately turned and bailed. Very shady. In all likelihood she was just keeping her friend on the phone to protect herself, not to film anything we were doing. But you cannot take any chances. And since she was just a 7 and I am in Kiev, I figured fuck it I will find someone better.
I wander around and drink a bit. I try to go to Arena, but they are having a 'private party' and want me to pay $250 USD to get a table. I say hell no and I leave (probably could have talked my way in but didn't want to deal with it.) I walk across the plaza to Skybar and they don't let me in because I have sneakers on. I reply that I am wearing $500 Prada sneakers (they are technically sneakers but look like shoes). The bouncers won't have it.
I will stop here to mention something about Kiev. It is not the same as 2009. The clubs have gotten a bit stricter with dress code. You must wear a button-down shirt and DRESS SHOES to enter. In America we can wear whatever we want as long as it looks good. T-shirts, jeans, whatever. Not in Kiev. They want you to dress up not down. Nobody told me that.
So now it's getting a bit late. I had an issue with eating bad food. Get home to crap and take an accidental nap. It turns out to be after midnight when I wake. I'm thinking, wow this night is screwed. I was even considering going back to bed. But fuck it I am in Kiev and it's Saturday night! So I shower up again and go across the street to Arena. There is a bar on the first floor. It's basically empty but I sit next to 2 Irish guys and immediately start talking. Another American shows up and we're all talking.
The 1 irish guy is around my age and super cool. He tells me he knows the owner of D'Luxe. We go there. They won't let me in because of my shoes again so we end up having to go back to his place for me to change into his shoes. Luckily we are same size. We get inside and place is really cool. Tons of hot chicks. Very large space. High end. I must say this tho. My impression of Kiev was that every girl is available as a pro. Or nearly every girl. I talked to about 10-15 girls in D'lux and let me tell you NOT ONE OF THEM WAS A PRO! Or maybe they were during the week. But not that night. You'd think an American in Kiev would have sparked their interest, but a lot of girls just shooed me away, some I talked to had boyfriends, and a couple I danced with and flirted with and one I even offered money to and she told me flat out she doesn't do that! I am only in Kiev a short time so not looking for a girlfriend. Looking for P4P here. Amazed that I left the place with nothing! But I had a great night anyway.
Sunday was mostly wandering around. Hanging out. I had one more Mamba girl set up for Sunday night and honestly wasn't expecting much. I know Kiev is full of hot girls but I felt like I missed out on them by arriving late Saturday and not setting up enough Mamba girls beforehand. Well. I was DEAD WRONG. When my Sunday night girl showed up. She was absolutely THE HOTTEST GIRL I HAVE SEEN ALL WEEKEND! Short blonde hair, HUGE tits, short little dress, perfect body, perfect legs. Pretty face. We had previously agreed to 2 hours for $300 and I was already planning to extend for the whole night if possible.
We get up to my room, drink a bit, make out, and run through all the wonderful sex. DATY, BBBJ, all kinds of rough sex. She was into being choked and even slapped a little, and I like that. I fucked her hard and good for the entire 2 hours. She had to get back otherwise would have kept her all night. I plan to see her next weekend when I return to Kiev if she is around. I also have another 4 or 5 beauties lined up. I am only in Kiev another 2 nights and want to do it right. There are just too many hotties in this city not to get laid like a champ.
I am in Prague now, about to meet a gorgeous escort here for a 4 hour romp.) So I am one happy man.
I will report on my second weekend after it happens. In short, be prepared for the clubs, line up as many Mamba girls as possible (I was too busy to do this.) make sure you get numbers / time/$$ agreed upon beforehand.
And don't assume you will just go to the club and get laid. I know it is possible because others have reported it here. But it is not a given. It is very possible you go to a club and find no P4P.
Angus out.Daytime, if you haven't previously gotten mamba contacts lined up, send out a message to a lot of girls asking who wants to meet right now. You may get some responses from girls who didn't even answer you before. Also make a bunch of calls to girls on top-modals. Com, or find a taxi driver who knows girl apartments to take you to. It shouldn't be the case that you waste all that time and no pussy.
Nightime, you must keep your eye on the clock, and if you see you are not going to pull a girl or even find a p4p girl at the nightclub, you should head for a strip club to find someone hot to take home. It takes a little time in a strip club, but it's a given that there are p4p girls there available. Make your decision before 2am, because they often have to leave your apartment by 5am. And you won't get your full three hours, unless you can find a girl willing to stay with you after 5am. Read my posts from the last two years about strip clubs for more details.
Hey Now,
So here is my report from my first weekend in Kiev:
I meet my first Mamba girl around 8 or 9 pm. She is the same girl from the photos, .... She spoke very good English too, so language wasn't an issue.
Angus out.Excellent report. Thank you.
Re Mamba girls, do you get numbers of girls who only speak english? How do most of you manage the conversation on the phone? Translators can be handy in person but they can be frustrating when you are on the phone.
Excellent report. Thank you.
Re Mamba girls, do you get numbers of girls who only speak english? How do most of you manage the conversation on the phone? Translators can be handy in person but they can be frustrating when you are on the phone.If the girl does not speak English well, you avoid phone conversations entirely. You conduct all conversations in writing using the Google Translator, either online on mamba. Ru, or in SMS text messages to her mobile phone. Only attempt direct conversation when she is sitting with you and you can use the translator as well as sign language to help.
If you use mamba you should definitely ask the girls to email you their real photos before the meeting otherwise you may waste too much time meeting below average girls.
Try vk. Com too.
Definitely stay away from RIO if you want BBJ and DATY, only a dumb fuking idiot would fly over 10 hours and pay over $300 in Kiev for chit chat covered blow job and no DATY and think its his best option in Kiev.
I was there over a month ago for 3 hours and the girls were just so average
Hello guys,
I have been in both Kyiv and Kharkov in 2009.Yes Kharkov much more virgin and free of sharks but you can get a lot of boredom there.I have read in city of Lyiv in Ukraine which is in east %85 of population is women? What do you think about this?Anyone been in Lyiv before?
Member #4491
05-30-13, 00:21
sorry if i bore you experts but feel i want to share my impressions to all potential visitors of ua. i have been in kiev and kharkov a handful of times now and can relate it somewhat to other monger destinations i have seen.
women (and men) in ua are often quite angry. pissed at life. i like happy people better. ukrainians are nice once you break the ice, but they are quite judgmental and suspicious on a whole. a tough society you could say. and dysfunctional. my friend calls it white africa for a good reason. he lived and worked in white africa and has seen it in all it's glory full shittyness.
as many said, i do not really think it is worth the agony to go there just for hard core p4p. if you are a serious global monger that know your options (obvious disclaimer about the guys who spread money as paper tissue) and prefer girls in the bracket 18-22 or even 18-24, there are easier options. beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right? you will always find someone to fuck in kiev, but there is work behind every encounter, and sometimes you can waste hours on nothing unless you catch them in bars or clubs. serious serial p4p mongering implies day time providers (and no i did not visit apartments or massage joints). this f*cking around with endless waiting for someone you end up sending away, is not a good setting for an erotic encounter. these challenges naturally does not apply for the ua experts living / coming here, or guys going for other reasons (like work) where you do the mongering on the side so to speak. but for real hard core serial mongering it takes more time or money than many other options on the globe, where you just pick and shoot and the girls smile anyway. people on a whole are a bit nationalistic, proud and not as pragmatic as in for example asia or south america. maybe they have more options, even if the average salary is pathetic.
for "p4p-light" and gfe it is another story. if you just pretend as if the girl is not fucking you for the 100 usd taxi money, things is easier. some will not need money. just some tenderness or some distraction from the boring life the live. or if you wrap up the requests in some cotton candy (guess this pretend act is what constitutes a so called "semi-pro") , things go smoother then direct questions about trading sex for resources. a bit more time consuming than p4p normally is (should be) , but it is more or less impossible to fail. girls are really sweet and it is not super hard to find someone half your age and twice your look. give it some time and you will most likely fight off the "girlfriends" and semi-pros, after you balls was drained by whomever you picked for the evening. it takes some dedication to get there, but i can not see how anyone reasonably attractive can possibly fail.
i was bitching to mr knight earlier today about why it should be so hard to get a morning f*ck, but three minutes later i had four girls suggesting to meet. two teens (verified on vk) , where we in both cases worked ourselves to an understanding that we would meet for sex since the language barrier was too high for sharing a drink. one sexy girl of age 20 (referred from a friend) that wanted to come to the apartment later to "drink and talk", and one fourth p4p (chat mate) that i decided to see. barba thought he would have energy for one of the teens also after doing a quick fix with the p4p, but little did he know that she would suck his cock until it almost fell off. this was one very horny p4p girl. so rain check on the teens and the "talk and drink" girl that invited herself again twice. getting old? time to cut down on the poonani to get the hunger up again? the teen babe is messaging me every day, so i will see her sooner or later.
imho ua and maybe kiev in particular is a great option for a single man or a group of men that is considering a tourist trip with some sightseeing, some party, some good food and perhaps a girl or three. maybe this is where the strip bars comes in as a fall back option. i however know nothing about these and normally do not visit such establishments unless some good mate drags me there.
keyboard mongering in kiev is quite time consuming and even more so in kharkov. seems most escort profiles in kharkov are connected to the same range of numbers. maybe it is all organized in kharkov? simply much more bullshit than many other places, where you set the deal and get what you agreed upon.
good old field hunting is a better way, together with just dating girls you meet on sites. i find girls in kharkov open and friendly to an extent that surpass kiev. but they must see you in person to smile. try mamba sex crusade in kharkov and you will know what i mean.
not sure all of this makes sense but the short version would be something like:
- efficient no chit chat hard core p4p with the efficiency factor of for example pattaya, campo alegre, adultwork, sexycaracas. com, craigs' list providers in manila, etc is more of a gamble. start to share contacts with friends if you are into this. social circles where you share, is the most efficient way, and this can still be time consuming since most hoes think of themselves as misplaced princesses.
- girls that want to be you gf (wonder why?) or girls that are border lining or just crossing into p4p is easier (the good old pretend game. pretend as if your not a wh*re and you sleep better).
barba is always a sharing kind of guy so here is three profiles:
avoid this one. she is quite ugly. teeth looks like corn on the cob. she and her mamasan asked for 800 gremlins up front so i walked (and did not give them a grivna).
http://www.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=1113623128&hit=3
someone should f*ck valerie and send me pictures. i made plans with her twice but one time me, and another time her, had to cancel. and after asking her about her sheit hole to home town she blocked me so i give up and leave this pretty babe for someone else.
http://www.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=765366493&hit=3
http://vk.com/id60158807
someone should also go to kiev and bang inna and send me loads of cum pics. we met once with no sex, but three consecutive arrangements where always fucked up by her. probably some boyfriend lurking and preventing her to earn that 100 usd.
she sent me tit picks and they do look lovely and "teeny".
http://www.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=709561129&hit=3
http://vk.com/id80494809
https://www.facebook.com/inna.naumenko.9
i can provide numbers if you pm me, in exchange for promise of pictures and a good contact in return.
angus, was ellochka the girl you met? she does [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103) also, for anyone that is into this.
http://www.mamba.ru/sv/mb689974533/?afolder=dating
b.
CastOnThis
05-30-13, 01:10
Has anybody try?
http://escort-models.com/en-index.html
Hi Angus,
Very good trip report. All is well that ends well. Do you mind sharing the mamba profile link of the 'Sunday blond girl'. You can PM me.
Thanks,
Miscgk
Hey Now,
So here is my report from my first weekend in Kiev:
Meant to arrive Friday morning but missed connecting flight in London since my flight from NY was delayed. Also there was accident at Heathrow and all flights cancelled rest of the day. So I stayed overnight in London, spent 2 hours...
Hi Fiddycent,
Can you please share the mamba profile info / link for Innochka? You can PM me.
Thanks.
Miscgk.
Hello Reallywildone.
The girl I met today is named Innochka. She is a petite blonde with blue eyes, but is probably slightly older than her profile says. She asked for $ 200 for a 2 hour meeting. This girl ended a long relationship with a cheating boyfriend and was using Mamba to meet men and perhaps get some sponsorship. At least, this was her story. The meeting in my apartment started awkwardly, but soon warmed up into a passionate session with plenty of foreplay. GFE for sure. Her BBBJ technique was nice. Slow and soft with the gentle ball licking. Her pussy was very tight. I had her in multiple positions before cumming. I stayed inside her pussy and pumped a few minutes more after my orgasm. Nice and warm inside. I did not want to leave. A question. Why not go to Kiev? It is a beautiful city. The thing you will miss the most is the array of beauties you may bump into on the streets. If you take a girl out of Kiev, you will miss out on an opportunity to find more beauties. However, it sounds like you are a classy gentleman. I hope you find the right Mamba girl.
As for the payment method, I just extended my membership for another 10 days using Paypal, however the transaction has not yet updated. It was yesterday when I made the payment. I guess the Mamba woes continue.
Best of luck. Hey, it was a holiday in Kiev today with a concert in the main square and a fireworks show to close the evening. I think everyone should visit this city at least once. You won`t believe the number of naturally beautiful girls you just randomly bump into on the streets.
FiddyCent
Jimmy Boy 99
05-30-13, 05:13
Avoid this one. She is quite ugly. Teeth looks like corn on the cob. She and her mamasan asked for 800 gremlins up front so I walked (and did not give them a grivna).
http://www.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=1113623128&hit=3
B.Thanks for the heads up. I was communicating with her about seeing her but will take your advice and avoid her.
Global Surfer
05-30-13, 23:35
Has anybody try?
http://escort-models.com/en-index.htmlPictures are fake, If you cannot speak Russian / Ukrainian then they would only send someone who can speak a little bit (only a little bit) English regardless what you ask.
Considering the price and quality ratio not much harm in trying. In other words if go to Kiev I don't mind trying again.
You may also try Vodka Bar which according to some reports is quite cheap now. I have never been there myself.
Ran into this on Mamba profile of Ekaterina #1114929290:
I'm looking for Patrick from France! We met with you in February 2011 and after that 2 times! The adres we met was Pr. Pravdi. 31! Please write me back! I changed my number! I can die! This is not a joke! Please write to me!
Opportunity for Patrick to save life, with benefits. RB
Hey Now,
So here is my report from my first weekend in Kiev:
* I am in Prague now, about to meet a gorgeous escort here for a 4 hour romp.) So I am one happy man.
I will report on my second weekend after it happens.
Angus out.Angus, since Prague was one of my early interests in mongering in Europe, until I found the FKK's of Germany, and then found the funland which is Kiev, I would like to ask you about the comparative p4p options in Prague versus Kiev.
The following is my experience and the basis on which I am asking this question to you. When I went to Prague in or about 2006, searching for p4p that included such GFE services as BBBJ and DATY at a low cost compared to the USA, with very beautiful girls, I had done a lot of Internet research of the many, many websites that abound in Czech Republic for privats and escorts, and noted the low advertised prices and pictures of pretty girls. When I got to Prague I visited the strip bars that offered some services only to find that everything was covered and no BBBJ or DATY available. I called an escort from one of the many low cost websites and when she arrived it turned out she did not do GFE and everything was covered. I also went to the vaunted K5 nightclub and sat with one of the managers reviewing screens of girls pics they had in their system, only to hear that most girls did not even allow DATY, let alone offer BBBJ. I did find one hot looking girl at K5 from Poland who was just the ticket, though, but the bottom line is that it was not easy to find GFE services in Prague. I did not start running around going to visit various privats because I feared I would find more of the same. Instead, I turned to the higher end agencies seeking bookings of multiple hours minimum for several hundred euro each date. In this fashion I had awesome GFE sex with some truly spectacular looking girls. But it was costly. So when I found the FKK's, I abandoned Prague as a viable p4p destination, in favor of Frankfurt, and then Kiev.
My question to you is whether your investigations or experiences in Prague revealed any hopeful changes that might make Prague interesting again as a p4p mongering destination in comparison to Kiev? Did you find that there were any privats or clubs or escorts offering beautiful girls (7's. 8's and above) who were amenable to DATY and BBBJ, at a cost of around 2, 000 Czech Koruna's / hour (a bit over $100 USD)?
Or did you stick to the high end multiple hour minimum escorts in Prague who look awesome, but cost several hundred euro per date?
If you are back in Kiev, remember to hang out by the bar in nightclubs when you're seeking p4p girls. Also if you are not finding any suitable candidates in the nightclubs, rather than go to bed empty handed, you should try to find something hot at the strip clubs that offer p4p. And during the daytime, after chasing down the mamba contacts you had, and still not coming up with a good candidate, go to plan B and start on the other escort websites, like top-modals. Com etc, or find a taxi driver who can take you to girl apartments and go in with you to see what's available there. Hope you have fun on your second weekend in Kiev.
LJ
Angus, since Prague was one of my early interests in mongering in Europe, until I found the FKK's of Germany, and then found the funland which is Kiev, I would like to ask you about the comparative p4p options in Prague versus Kiev.
The following is my experience and the basis on which I am asking this question to you. When I went to Prague in or about 2006, searching for p4p that included such GFE services as BBBJ and DATY at a low cost compared to the USA, with very beautiful girls, I had done a lot of Internet research of the many, many websites that abound in Czech Republic for privats and escorts, and noted the low advertised prices and pictures of pretty girls. When I got to Prague I visited the strip bars that offered some services only to find that everything was covered and no BBBJ or DATY available. I called an escort from one of the many low cost websites and when she arrived it turned out she did not do GFE and everything was covered. I also went to the vaunted K5 nightclub and sat with one of the managers reviewing screens of girls pics they had in their system, only to hear that most girls did not even allow DATY, let alone offer BBBJ. I did find one hot looking girl at K5 from Poland who was just the ticket, though, but the bottom line is that it was not easy to find GFE services in Prague. I did not start running around going to visit various privats because I feared I would find more of the same. Instead, I turned to the higher end agencies seeking bookings of multiple hours minimum for several hundred euro each date. In this fashion I had awesome GFE sex with some truly spectacular looking girls. But it was costly. So when I found the FKK's, I abandoned Prague as a viable p4p destination, in favor of Frankfurt, and then Kiev.
LJSo in response to your question. I think you are right on about Prague vs. Kiev. When I go to Prague, I either go to Darling's which I consider cheap. $150 for 30 mins sex, or $75 for 10 mins 'private dance' includes HJ. Now, the sex is not GFE, but I'm in a club and drinking and having fun and usually see multiple girls in one night there so I don't mind. Or, alternatively, I will get a high class escort for a few hours and pay several hundred Euro. These girls are exceedingly beautiful. Model quality. And I'm still paying much less than I would in USA (which I don't do P4P anymore cause prices suck.) These sessions are GFE, and usually off the charts amazing.
While Kiev does offer P4P GFE for cheap. There is no real escort service to use (ones that don't bait and switch you) and no 'Darlings. ' So you're stuck with Mamba or going to clubs. Now, as I write this, a gorgeous 10+ Russian that I saw last weekend JUST cancelled on me. 3 minutes before our date. I was set to pay her $500 for the whole night and she cancelled! So I am a little miffed, and maybe not in the best position to judge Kieve right now. However I would vote for Prague over Kiev. I like the certainty that comes with Darlings and escort services. I don't like how in Kiev you set something up, maybe a girl comes, maybe she doesn't. You get numbers on Mamba and maybe the girl calls / writes back. Maybe she flakes. Maybe you meet a girl at the club. Maybe you don't. Kiev is very up in the air. I suppose if you live here you would build a stable of reliable regulars, but still. Prague to me is the safer bet in terms of getting laid with smoking hotties. Even if you do pay more.
I will say the women overall in Kiev are more beautiful than anywhere I've ever been. Including Bogota, Prague, LA, wherever. Russian women take the cake on looks.
If you do go to Prague though, be sure you go to Darling's on the weekend (it kinda sucks sun-wed) And don't expect GFE. And bring some money if you want to fuck a model hottie GFE. It's out there but it will cost several hundred Euro for a few hours. I have very high standards with regards to quality of women so I don't mess with the cheaper, less attractive stuff.
I will post a full Kiev report in a few days. Still have a Saturday night left. Apparently now I am free tonight, so we'll see if I can score.
Harry Hirsch
06-01-13, 22:26
Anybody knows about a girl. Christina / Kristina. 23, not slim, not fat, long dark black haired, little bit curlyed.
A friend (far) told me something about her, maybe someone have more information about her?
CastOnThis
06-03-13, 01:25
Guys, what is your average budget when you go to Kiev? I am going for 19 days and I only plan on spending 7,000US$. Is that enough? I really don't want to spend that much, I planned on mostly getting freebies cause I hear Ukrainian women are easy. But some pros would be nice if the freebie thing doesn't work. Especially with the women I want.
AColonizer
06-03-13, 14:05
I wonder the reason of dozens masters wrote priceless reports, and there are still men asking this kind of questions.
Because I am a friendly person, I am sure the best solution for you is a travel to South-East Asia. Do you have little or no experience in real sex and with real women? Do you want easy sex with young and nice girls with no efforts and no dangers? Go to South-East Asia. Forget Ukraine and Russia, those countries are too fierce for you. Doesn't exist the right place for every men. Ukraine and Russia are not the right place for most members here.
Guys, what is your average budget when you go to Kiev? I am going for 19 days and I only plan on spending 7,000US$. Is that enough? I really don't want to spend that much, I planned on mostly getting freebies cause I hear Ukrainian women are easy. But some pros would be nice if the freebie thing doesn't work. Especially with the women I want.
Guys, what is your average budget when you go to Kiev? I am going for 19 days and I only plan on spending 7,000US$. Is that enough? I really don't want to spend that much, I planned on mostly getting freebies cause I hear Ukrainian women are easy. But some pros would be nice if the freebie thing doesn't work. Especially with the women I want.
Can you transport a hidden camera into a strip club?
In other words, can you be spotted if you are filming the girls?
I wonder the reason of dozens masters wrote priceless reports, and there are still men asking this kind of questions.
Because I am a friendly person, I am sure the best solution for you is a travel to South-East Asia. Do you have little or no experience in real sex and with real women? Do you want easy sex with young and nice girls with no efforts and no dangers? Go to South-East Asia. Forget Ukraine and Russia, those countries are too fierce for you. Doesn't exist the right place for every men. Ukraine and Russia are not the right place for most members here.On this ocassion I agree totally with AColonizer. Castonthis, I am afraid for you in Kiev too. You seem to be a bit lacking in what is called "street smarts", meaning an awareness of the practical problems or dangers involved in moving about in a foreign territory. I also think you need an easier playground in which to learn the ropes and get your feet wet in mongering. Therefore, I would also urge you to rethink a Kiev trip unless you travel with a more experienced or more worldly wingman.
Perhaps to South-East Asia, I would add the FKK sex scene to be found in Frankfurt area, or the Dusseldorf / Cologne area or in Vienna (but for Heaven's sake, do try to film inside an FKK, as you risk consequences beyond simply being ejected from the club).
A rule of thumb is not to expect better results with freebies than you normally get in your home town. So if you are normally accustomed to getting girls for sex as freebies in your home town, you have the skills necessary to do the job, except for possibly the ability to speak Russian. So you should do ok in Kiev, with English speaking girls, or with those Russian speaking girls who have the patience to communicate with you in writing using a translator application in your smart phone. But if you do not normally have successful experiences pulling freebies in your hometown, you should not expect anything different in Kiev. Therefore, you will need to budget for P4P girls at the rates set forth in previous posts, and the quantity you desire.
LJ
I planned on mostly getting freebies cause I hear Ukrainian women are easy. But some pros would be nice if the freebie thing doesn't work.Do people seriously believe this crap that they will fly into Kiev for a couple of weeks and score freebies?
CastOnThis
06-03-13, 22:00
Do people seriously believe this crap that they will fly into Kiev for a couple of weeks and score freebies?Not my first time in Kiev. I have friends on facebook and we are all going to get together. These friends know a lot of women that I can score with, if I want to. I have two female friends of theirs that are excited to meet me when I go. So I do believe there will be a couple of freebies at least and other girls I meet at parties of theirs.
Member #4491
06-03-13, 22:39
Guys, what is your average budget when you go to Kiev? I am going for 19 days and I only plan on spending 7,000US$. Is that enough? I really don't want to spend that much, I planned on mostly getting freebies cause I hear Ukrainian women are easy. But some pros would be nice if the freebie thing doesn't work. Especially with the women I want.19 * 100 USD per day for a 2-3 hour session with a hoe: 1900 USD.
19 * 100 USD for apartment: 1900 USD.
19 * 100 USD for food and beer: 1900 USD.
Still 1300 USD left for booze and subway tokens.
Yes it is enough, but only if you do not spend more than 7000 USD.
The freebies are waiting for you already at the airport.
B.
Guys, what is your average budget when you go to Kiev? I am going for 19 days and I only plan on spending 7,000US$. Is that enough? I really don't want to spend that much, I planned on mostly getting freebies cause I hear Ukrainian women are easy. But some pros would be nice if the freebie thing doesn't work. Especially with the women I want.Well well a high roller? Lets see your coming to Kiev for 19 days, and you think your going to be getting plenty of freebies? You want to get your flight refunded. And your $368 budget might not get you far either.
Just do a lot of preparation, contact a lot of girls (not p4p) before you go, and the more you move away from Kiev the easier it gets. And it can be very rewarding. SE Asia is not challenge at all. I didn't waste too much time in Kiev but my brief experience of it was like the Russian and Uke p4ps in Dubai, Pusan. Turkey etcetc. Utterly ruthless. (the only exception were Korean Russians and non-p4ps studying at universities: very friendly and giving of their bodies).
CastOnThis
06-04-13, 11:06
19 * 100 USD per day for a 2-3 hour session with a hoe: 1900 USD.
19 * 100 USD for apartment: 1900 USD.
19 * 100 USD for food and beer: 1900 USD.
Still 1300 USD left for booze and subway tokens.
Yes it is enough, but only if you do not spend more than 7000 USD.
The freebies are waiting for you already at the airport.
B.I am staying for free at a friends apartment. I didn't use Kievapts, cause he invited me to his flat. Bad thing is, I don't know if he will be ok with me bringing hookers to his flat.
And his sister lives with him. She is hot, I can remember her from last time there. Very nice bright girl and naturally attractive. Well I don't know how everything will pan out, hopefully for the best. Actually now the more I think about. I really like his sister. Things are going to be complicated. We'll see how things work out.
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