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100 USD an hour is a rip off.
ItDear Candianboy.
Indeed 100USD / hr is rip-off for a semipro, maybe for 2-3 hours for 150, or 2-300 for the night would be ok for that part of the country. Even in a hot-spot like Odessa you will find girls. 8-10 on the richter scale, who will stay with you for the night for 250-300 USD.
Anyway no need to trade as there are more than 1000 "students" offering their services in both Kiev as well as Kharkov.
Have good luck and take care out there.
Kiev Freak
10-28-13, 00:33
In Kiev I believe you need stay minimum 1 week to enjoy it. Before I go Kiev, I make list with girls I find in mamba, go a cafe and invite girls by one by. But it consumes too much time. Probably night will finish in Rio or mandarin. Websites like escort-modals mostly fake photos. Almost not possible to pick up a girl from street. Because of my business, I cannot stay longer than 3-4 days. In thaland, in my first trip, I made 14 girls in 6 days. If I was in ukraine, even half of this (7 girls) would be amazing. So I decided to change my favorite mongering destination. In addition, ukraine is not safe, locals and militia don't like you. Still for short trips I can visit Kiev but I believe Pattaya perfect mongering destination. From my town to Pattaya almost 15 houurs while Kiev 3 hours. But still I say Thailand. Safety. Many options. Better service. Tropical climate. Maybe girls not so stunning. But you can score many.
Hello all,
I am going to be in Kiev for just 3 days in early November. I have a busy work schedule while I'm there, and I'm not much of a drinker / partier so I'm not that into clubbing or really staying out past about midnight.
I am looking for recommendations for places where I can go, have a drink or two, easily meet some pro girls and have them back to my apartment for some fun. I am more interested in quality / safety / convenience and can spend a little more to find that (within reason).
I have heard / read that there are strip bars where there is a 99% chance you can take a girl out for a good time. How does this work?
Any recommendations much, much appreciated!
Thanks!
in kiev i believe you need stay minimum 1 week to enjoy it. before i go kiev, i make list with girls i find in mamba, go a cafe and invite girls by one by. but it consumes too much time. probably night will finish in rio or mandarin. websites like escort-modals mostly fake photos. almost not possible to pick up a girl from street. because of my business, i cannot stay longer than 3-4 days. in thaland, in my first trip, i made 14 girls in 6 days. if i was in ukraine, even half of this (7 girls) would be amazing. so i decided to change my favorite mongering destination. in addition, ukraine is not safe, locals and militia don't like you. still for short trips i can visit kiev but i believe pattaya perfect mongering destination. from my town to pattaya almost 15 houurs while kiev 3 hours. but still i say thailand. safety. many options. better service. tropical climate. maybe girls not so stunning. but you can score many.it is true that in certain environments, a man will behave different sexually. i find that in kiev, i feel satiated when i have sex with one girl in the afternoon, and another girl later at night. so i don't always chase after additional girls each day, although theoretically i could. it seems i am satisfied with two girls a day, although on some days, when i have the opportunity to do it, i will have an additional girl come to my apartment in kiev, just for the fun of it. doing two girls a day, for a man of my age (over 50) , is not a big challenge. there are other guys on this forum in the same age bracket, who do a whole lot more fucking than just two girls each day. usually the girl for the daytime afternoon hours is from the internet (mamba, top-modals etc.) , and at night sometimes lately, also a mamba girl, and sometimes a girl from a strip club. or one can get girls from a nightclub too.
so your statement that in six days it would be "amazing" if you could have sex with 7 girls, is difficult to understand. since you obviously have the capacity to have sex with 14 girls in that period, as you did in thailand. so it seems that your difficulty was in obtaining the actual girls to fuck, not the fucking itself. but why should it be so difficult for you to get girls to fuck in kiev? they are all over the place and internet.
you should read my discussion of how to handle interviewing and fucking mamba girls, which you can find a link to on the reports of distinction thread. in a 3 day trip, it is not a good idea to do the cafe interviews by speed dating all afternoon, as it wastes too much "fucking time". instead, just have the most promising mamba girls come to your apartment, and send away those who are not doable, but fuck those who are sexy enough to fuck. it's cheap at $75 or $100 or less for an hour. sometimes a really pretty girl will show up, and you will keep her contact info for future use.
if you really want a non stop sexathon with many girls, the best place is in an fkk club. go to germany for this. see the fkk thread. there it is most usual that i fuck three, four or sometimes five girls in one day. it's because the pretty naked girls are all around you in the fkk club and coming on to you to come and fuck them. they will even suck your cock in the kino trying to get you into a room. if you like the beauty of eastern european women, there is no need to seek a fuckfest in thailand with asian women who don't have the same kind of beauty. you can have a fuckfest of amazing proportions in the fkk's.
the only reason for dragging your ass all the way to thailand is if your desire is for the cheapest sex, and that matters more to you than beauty. because the fkk's are more expensive.
Kiev Freak
10-29-13, 15:20
You need to try Rio and mandarin. Also dolls. And read forum. Give a look shooters and vodka bar, but not 100% guarantee to pick up a girl
TexasMorrell
10-30-13, 00:48
In Kiev I believe you need stay minimum 1 week to enjoy it. Before I go Kiev, I make list with girls I find in mamba, go a cafe and invite girls by one by. But it consumes too much time. Probably night will finish in Rio or mandarin. Websites like escort-modals mostly fake photos. Almost not possible to pick up a girl from street. Because of my business, I cannot stay longer than 3-4 days. In thaland, in my first trip, I made 14 girls in 6 days. If I was in ukraine, even half of this (7 girls) would be amazing. So I decided to change my favorite mongering destination. In addition, ukraine is not safe, locals and militia don't like you. Still for short trips I can visit Kiev but I believe Pattaya perfect mongering destination. From my town to Pattaya almost 15 houurs while Kiev 3 hours. But still I say Thailand. Safety. Many options. Better service. Tropical climate. Maybe girls not so stunning. But you can score many.First, I have spent much time in Kiev and never felt unsafe or unwanted. I have also never had trouble finding plenty of women.
Second, comparing Thailand to Ukraine is night and day difference. I prefer quality over quantity and Ukraine has the highest quality women in the world, hands down. Beauty, brains, passion, the whole package. Russia is up there too but going to Ukraine is easier.
I love Ukraine so much I do not even desired to monger anywhere else. To each his own.
Jelly Donut
10-30-13, 01:43
I am going to be in Kiev for just 3 days in early November.I think Kiev Freak's post here was aimed at you, but I'll toss in some detail. The strip club Rio is behind the Taras Shevchenko Ukraine National Opera and directly across the street from the German Embassy. Many, but not all, of the girls dancing there are available. I believe the place opens at 4pm, but I'm not sure what the depth of talent looks like at that time. If you show up at 7pm you can have a drink or two and perhaps have a girl out the door before 9pm. The advantages and disadvantages of this option are covered in many posts on this thread. The highest ask I had from a girl there was $400 for what amounts to around three hours; the lowest, and most typical, ask was $300. I think my costs of just being in the club (drinks, dances, chatting up girls over drinks, tips) ran a little above $60 / hour minimum. You can just signal a girl who is dancing you are interested, many speak pragmatic English. I typically came in after 8pm or so; not sure how it will work showing up earlier. For your circumstances, this may be the most convenient path.
Reiner Otto
10-30-13, 14:00
The only reason for dragging your ass all the way to Thailand is if your desire is for the cheapest sex, and that matters more to you than beauty.Sorry, not correct. I lived for a few years in UA, in the area, where the most beautiful women in UA come from. Ask a few Ukrainians, and they will tell you, where this is.
And I lived and worked a few years in SPb before.
Unfortunately, the times, they are changing. Because I just returned from a phantastic trip to Thailand, about 50% of time in Pattaya.
When I now compare the prices of high class P4P in Pattaya and in UA, Pattaya just beats everything.
Examples: I had the stunner of one of the best GoGos on Walking street for a night. Complete damage: About 150$.
And this girl would also let U-turn your head on Kreshatik in Kiev.
In the complete opposite, I tried a BBBJ from one of the freelanders on Beach Road, still reasonable looking for my "spoiled high requirements".30Min, less than 20$. And well done.
So I will stay for a couple of weeks during UA-winter in Pattaya.
I will be in Kiev in two weeks and I will stay 4 days.
I would like to visit Paradise Cabaret localited in 5 stars hotel.
Please I would like to know if we can take out the girls?
Any help on that?
Thank you.
It is true that in certain environments, a man will behave different sexually. I find that in Kiev, I feel satiated when I have sex with one girl in the afternoon, and another girl later at night. So I don't always chase after additional girls each day, although theoretically I could. It seems I am satisfied with two girls a day, although on some days, when I have the opportunity to do it, I will have an additional girl come to my apartment in Kiev, just for the fun of it. Doing two girls a day, for a man of my age (over 50) , is not a big challenge. There are other guys on this forum in the same age bracket, who do a whole lot more fucking than just two girls each day.One measure is how many times you cum in the time you paid for.
It's how many times you cum with all the girls really count, NOT how many girls you fuck, in a day. Cost per cum is the ultimate measure of cost effectiveness in P4P.
In many places in EE, WGs also use the cum rule. If you lick pussies, you are servicing the girls, and it should be the other way around.
If you really want a non stop sexathon with many girls, the best place is in an FKK club. Go to Germany for this. See the FKK thread. There it is most usual that I fuck three, four or sometimes five girls in one day. It's because the pretty naked girls are all around you in the FKK club and coming on to you to come and fuck them. They will even suck your cock in the kino trying to get you into a room. If you like the beauty of Eastern European women, there is no need to seek a fuckfest in Thailand with Asian women who don't have the same kind of beauty. You can have a fuckfest of amazing proportions in the FKK's.
FKK's - 50 euros extra for CIM. Speaking of CIM, reminds me of a tall young pretty girl, Julia, who came to my town for school, who lives 500 km from Kiev and who is a real deep throat vacuum cleaner. She can really make you cum several times in her mouth with one BBBJ, and it's only 25 euros half an hour and 35 euros an hour. She's a great GFE if you guys like that but too bad she's not hardcore and couldn't be made hardcore. Too bad she went back home because I can really use a great BBBJ CIM when I am fully loaded. I hope she'll be back next year as she said she might.
Sorry, not correct. I lived for a few years in UA, in the area, where the most beautiful women in UA come from. Ask a few Ukrainians, and they will tell you, where this is.
And I lived and worked a few years in SPb before.
And this girl would also let U-turn your head on Kreshatik in Kiev.
In the complete opposite, I tried a BBBJ from one of the freelanders on Beach Road, still reasonable looking for my "spoiled high requirements".30Min, less than 20$. And well done.
So I will stay for a couple of weeks during UA-winter in Pattaya.You are a lucky man Otto. I don't how people like you find time and money for weeks of mongering in EE or Thailand. By the way I want to add tightness of Thai girls in their advantages column. I remember the 35 yo woman that I have been in Banghok for 2 hours of fuck and massage and bath. She really beat hard to take Mr. Dick inside her pussy. You Pharang is always a devil for them. Good memories. Old good times. Regards.
This year, or at this time of the year?
I am not there, and have not been there since April, but when I go, I think of Gia as my upper end providers. You usually get what you see, although, yes, the photos are a little photoshoped. I just noticed that several of their girls are at only $150, which is usual for them. If they are at $150, the girls on the street must be down to $50! I hope the pattern holds until I return.
Any comments?
This year, or at this time of the year?
I am not there, and have not been there since April, but when I go, I think of Gia as my upper end providers. You usually get what you see, although, yes, the photos are a little photoshoped. I just noticed that several of their girls are at only $150, which is usual for them. If they are at $150, the girls on the street must be down to $50! I hope the pattern holds until I return.
Any comments?Definitely a soft market out there. Too much poor product that inspires nobody to pay up on.
Sorry, not correct. I lived for a few years in UA, in the area, where the most beautiful women in UA come from. Ask a few Ukrainians, and they will tell you, where this is.
And I lived and worked a few years in SPb before.
Unfortunately, the times, they are changing. Because I just returned from a phantastic trip to Thailand, about 50% of time in Pattaya.
When I now compare the prices of high class P4P in Pattaya and in UA, Pattaya just beats everything.
Examples: I had the stunner of one of the best GoGos on Walking street for a night. Complete damage: About 150$.
And this girl would also let U-turn your head on Kreshatik in Kiev.
In the complete opposite, I tried a BBBJ from one of the freelanders on Beach Road, still reasonable looking for my "spoiled high requirements".30Min, less than 20$. And well done.
So I will stay for a couple of weeks during UA-winter in Pattaya.Your feeling that some Thai women are as beautiful, or even more beautiful, than Ukrainian, or other EE women, is a purely subjective opinion. It isn't correct. Nor is it incorrect. It is merely a subjective opinion. Of course, since you feel that way, it is a great advantage that Thai pussy is very cheap.
My feeling that I prefer the type of beauty possessed by EE women, more than the beauty of Asian women, is also simply my subjective feeling. It isn't incorrect. Nor is it correct. It is simply how I feel. And is merely a subjective opinion. I believe it is shared by many Western men.
I'm not saying that I would not have sex with a pretty Asian girl. I have had and do continue to have sex with Asian women. It's just that I feel the beauty of EE women is more attractive.
I also like Latina beauty. But I still feel more attracted to EE beauty. For example, here attached is a Latina beauty that I met recently in Florida. No normal guy is throwing such a pretty girl out of his bed. I think she is more beautiful than actress Salma Hayek, whom she looks like a little. But here attached also are some photos of EE beauties. I just feel more attracted to the EE type of beauty. But it's just a subjective opinion and feeling. It's not something that I'm saying is more correct than your feeling that you enjoy beautiful Thai women just as much as Ukrainian beauties.
So enjoy the beauties you found in Pattaya, and enjoy how cheap it is. I still prefer Kiev and the type of beauty to be found in Ukraine, or German FKK's.
Happy Mongering wherever your heart takes you.
LJ
One measure is how many times you cum in the time you paid for.
It's how many times you cum with all the girls really count, NOT how many girls you fuck, in a day. Cost per cum is the ultimate measure of cost effectiveness in P4P.
In many places in EE, WGs also use the cum rule. If you lick pussies, you are servicing the girls, and it should be the other way around.An interesting thought you raise. You say there is only value worth paying for if you cum, and in calculating the costs of p4p, it is only the cost per cum, that is relevant. But really it is a younger man's perspective. Or the perspective of someone who has the ability to cum many, many times, and far more times than he would ever consider paying for.
However, there may come a time in your life, when your body is no longer able to supply limitless quantities of ejaculate within a time span reasonable to pay for in p4p. There will then be a physical limit to how many times per hour, or even per day, you are capable of cumming. It may happen that you will reach a stage in life, or in your aging process, where you only have a limited number of cumms in you per day. When that happens, if you are still pursuing the mongering hobby, your perspective will change, and you will begin to understand that there is a high entertainment / enjoyment factor of penetrating your penis into very beautiful pussy, and fucking the daylights out of said pretty girl, maybe making her orgasm and scream and cum all over your penis, as you continue to penetrate her in various positions, and this will make you feel great and very happy, even if you choose not to cum, for the reason that you want to be able to do the same thing again in a short while, to another pretty girl, and if you let yourself cum now, you will not be able to, because your body's recharge time (that's the time you need between one cum and the next) is not as short a time as it used to be, and you have a limited number if cums each day. When that happens, sportfucking without cumming will acquire a value to you, and if you want to enjoy it, you will see the value in it, and that it is worth paying for.
So for me, in a place like an FKK, where it is possible for me to fuck a lot of girls, I can therefore fuck many more girls than I have enough cum for, and I still enjoy fucking a pretty girl for the entertainment value of the visuals, that I will be able to remember and see again and again in my mind, and the pleasure feelings experienced during the sex, and the satisfactions of performing well and causing a young pretty girl's body to quiver in orgasm, and I definitely feel these things are worth paying for in p4p. So I disagree with what you wrote. How many times you cum, is not the only measure for p4p value. Some of the sessions may have been just for the pleasure of sex, even if one did not cum in the end, but chose to end the session at the half hour, or hour mark, for cost considerations. Because money too is not limitless, and with the amount of money available to spend on this entertainment, perhaps one wants to fuck more pretty girls, rather than keep going with the one same girl. It's a different area of this hobby, where the operational considerations are different than for other younger guys who can cum many times, but who are usually just able to fuck for several minutes (maybe 5 minutes for most average men, maybe 10 minutes) before the cum is forced from them in an orgasm.
Do you really not see the "fun factor" in fucking a pretty young girl for a half hour, or an hour, in different positions, and hearing her pleasure, and seeing the look on her face and in her eyes, as you continue to do a job on her, that she has rarely experienced? (This is more for regular girls, than for the sex machine girls in an FKK who have done it all and seen it all).
Kiev Freak
10-31-13, 16:35
it is true that in certain environments, a man will behave different sexually. i find that in kiev, i feel satiated when i have sex with one girl in the afternoon, and another girl later at night. so i don't always chase after additional girls each day, although theoretically i could. it seems i am satisfied with two girls a day, although on some days, when i have the opportunity to do it, i will have an additional girl come to my apartment in kiev, just for the fun of it. doing two girls a day, for a man of my age (over 50) , is not a big challenge. there are other guys on this forum in the same age bracket, who do a whole lot more fucking than just two girls each day. usually the girl for the daytime afternoon hours is from the internet (mamba, top-modals etc.) , and at night sometimes lately, also a mamba girl, and sometimes a girl from a strip club. or one can get girls from a nightclub too.
so your statement that in six days it would be "amazing" if you could have sex with 7 girls, is difficult to understand. since you obviously have the capacity to have sex with 14 girls in that period, as you did in thailand. so it seems that your difficulty was in obtaining the actual girls to fuck, not the fucking itself. but why should it be so difficult for you to get girls to fuck in kiev? they are all over the place and internet.
you should read my discussion of how to handle interviewing and fucking mamba girls, which you can find a link to on the reports of distinction thread. in a 3 day trip, it is not a good idea to do the cafe interviews by speed dating all afternoon, as it wastes too much "fucking time". instead, just have the most promising mamba girls come to your apartment, and send away those who are not doable, but fuck those who are sexy enough to fuck. it's cheap at $75 or $100 or less for an hour. sometimes a really pretty girl will show up, and you will keep her contact info for future use.
if you really want a non stop sexathon with many girls, the best place is in an fkk club. go to germany for this. see the fkk thread. there it is most usual that i fuck three, four or sometimes five girls in one day. it's because the pretty naked girls are all around you in the fkk club and coming on to you to come and fuck them. they will even suck your cock in the kino trying to get you into a room. if you like the beauty of eastern european women, there is no need to seek a fuckfest in thailand with asian women who don't have the same kind of beauty. you can have a fuckfest of amazing proportions in the fkk's.
the only reason for dragging your ass all the way to thailand is if your desire is for the cheapest sex, and that matters more to you than beauty. because the fkk's are more expensive.hi lj, i don't say kiev is hard nut. but, if your time is limited, it is not always possible to find girls easily. why?
1) sex is not always guarantee at night clubs and other bars with p4p. sometimes they want too much money. sometimes men / girl ratio is not good for us, but sometimes there are real gems as well. if you trip for 3 days, hang up in night clubs and you have nothing in midnight, you are already half drunk and only way to go a strip club.
2) stip clubs like mandarin, rio and dolls always provide 100% guarantee sex because they have "pick up" service. but also 100% all in condom. no cim, cif. and probably no daty. this makes all too mechanic for me. yes, there are really stunning girls. but all in condom. therefore primarly target is pick up gems from a night club or find in mamba.
3) mamba girls are not always shown up, or they come too late (almost one of 3 girl don't come the time we appoint.) this costs time. too much time. i read your post. you say in one day, you can meet 2, maximum 3 mamba girls. the problem is you cannot know how they look until they come to your room or cafe. of course you can send her back if you don't like. but again, time is our main cost here. because we don't live in kiev. every minute you can't find girl, your fixed costs are increasing. so my primarily purpose, find girls, pretty girls as soon as possible.
if you have about 1 week minimum, and you can really make speed date with mamba girls, you are very lucky man because other days you will be very busy. but short time visits, this is not easy to find pretty girls always. i'm gointo to kiev for only 1 days,next weekend, saturday morning arrival and sunday night back. because i don't have time. i make a list with mamba angels. and night will be go directly strip club because saturday night, all clubs will be full full and probably competition will be high. this kind of short trip, believe kiev not good idea. but it is still only option for me.
hi lj, i don't say kiev is hard nut. but, if your time is limited, it is not always possible to find girls easily. why?
1) sex is not always guarantee at night clubs and other bars with p4p. sometimes they want too much money. sometimes men / girl ratio is not good for us, but sometimes there are real gems as well. if you trip for 3 days, hang up in night clubs and you have nothing in midnight, you are already half drunk and only way to go a strip club.
2) stip clubs like mandarin, rio and dolls always provide 100% guarantee sex because they have "pick up" service. but also 100% all in condom. no cim, cif. and probably no daty. this makes all too mechanic for me. yes, there are really stunning girls. but all in condom. therefore primarly target is pick up gems from a night club or find in mamba.
3) mamba girls are not always shown up, or they come too late (almost one of 3 girl don't come the time we appoint.) this costs time. too much time. i read your post. you say in one day, you can meet 2, maximum 3 mamba girls. the problem is you cannot know how they look until they come to your room or cafe. of course you can send her back if you don't like. but again, time is our main cost here. because we don't live in kiev. every minute you can't find girl, your fixed costs are increasing. so my primarily purpose, find girls, pretty girls as soon as possible.
if you have about 1 week minimum, and you can really make speed date with mamba girls, you are very lucky man because other days you will be very busy. but short time visits, this is not easy to find pretty girls always. i'm gointo to kiev for only 1 days, next weekend, saturday morning arrival and sunday night back. because i don't have time. i make a list with mamba angels. and night will be go directly strip club because saturday night, all clubs will be full full and probably competition will be high. this kind of short trip, believe kiev not good idea. but it is still only option for me.let me respond to you, point by point:
my trips to kiev have only been short 3 or 4 day weekend stopovers, so i am in the exact same boat as you are. therefore:
1.) entirely agree. the nightclub scene, although it has been reported to have girls available for $200/2hours, and cheaper, and even $100 for multiple hours, nevertheless is a scene that is very inefficient for bringing home p4p hotties to fuck each night on a guaranteed basis, for various reasons, including that sometimes identifying the girls who are p4p is not as easy as you thought, as well as the price negotiation which consumes time, and more time with each successive girl it must be engaged in, as well as factors you mentioned. therefore, when i don't have anything else already lined up as a backup, i would not put all my eggs in the one basket of nightclubs on all three nights of my weekend visit, but rather limit it to not more than one night trying at the nightclubs. the other nights, during those early times when i did not have sufficient very pretty mamba contacts with whom i could pre-arrange meetings, i would go to rio strip club.
2.) mostly disagree. i only agree with that part of what you wrote that stated that stunning girls are available at the strip club for take out. i disagree that getting take out is 100% guaranteed, since due to the fact that the girls are not required to go out with a customer if they don't want to, and it is their choice, it means that it depends on whether they like you, and there is some good chemistry between you, and of course also on how much they need the money at the time. so it is decidedly not a point and click service, in which you get to take out whichever girl you want. it depends in part on whether you can get that girl to like you, in part. so the factors of success include your own charm and game, your looks, your hygiene and grooming, your nice smell or your odious body odor. the foregoing introduces an element of uncertainty. so it is not guaranteed 100% scoring. also not every girl does take out, and some girls, including some of the best looking girls, are dancer only. then there is the language issue, where some of the hottest girls come from hinterland small towns where they grew up never dreaming to meet western sex tourist men, and therefore never bothered applying themselves in their english studies at school, and they are now adults who cannot speak english, who don't feel comfortable going home with someone they cannot communicate with. so you are out of luck with them too. nevertheless, there have always been sufficient other hot girls to serve my purposes. but i would not go so far as to say scoring is a 100% guarantee. it is just very, very likely if you follow some basic pointers i have outlined in various of my prior reports, or you are naturally not a guy who is truly clueless, and can figure things out fairly quickly on your own.
i also disagree with what you wrote about service from girls at strip clubs being only covered bj service, and probably not daty. you have only to read my prior reports, as well as the unbiased reports of others to know this is not an accurate statement. i have had bbbj and daty, with many of the girls i took out from rio. i also had girls who refused bbbj and only did covered bj. i only had one girl, out of all the many girls who i have taken out from rio, who refused daty. and only one girl who initially required me to devise a covered solution for daty, but now let's me lick her pussy naturally as much as i like to. and one girl who said she's very sensitive and doesn't enjoy it, but let me do it anyway, and she was too sensitive, so i discontinued it. all the rest of all the girls i have fucked from rio, allowed and enjoyed daty. so my opinion on daty is the opposite of yours, and i think that rio girls will probably allow daty, if past actual experience is the measure.
as to bbbj versus covered bj, the true picture regarding rio take out girls is a little worse than as to daty. but i still think it has been something like 50/50 for me. so i disagree with your statement that rio girls are 100% covered. this kind of thing depends on your hygiene and smell, as well as your charm and game, and the chemistry between you and the girl. the more she likes you, and the more she enjoyed your daty, the more likely you are to receive a natural bbbj. another factor is whether she's very new at the club, or has been working a longer time there. i have found that the newer the girls are, the more likely natural bbbj is likely. and the longer they have been working, the more stuff they hear about, and the more likely they are to try to take precautions, and only want to do covered bj's. but it is definitely something that depends on each individual girl. you cannot generalize. my internal debate has always been whether to try to ask the girl about it up front while still in the club before i decide whether to take her, or whether to let things play out naturally and hope she will simply go with the flow in the heat of passion or sexual fun. asking up front runs the risk of getting the answer their brain says is prudent, rather than the answer that comes when she is enjoying sex with you and having fun and more inclined to please you.
so i think the numbers about bbbj from rio girls are more like 50/50, if my own actual experience is a measure.
i don't know about cim or cif because it's not my thing, so i never tried.
3.) when i said i could do 2 or 3 mamba girls each day, i was speaking of myself, because these girls are girls i know already, and just simply have to arrange a meeting with. it is of course different when depending on the interview process. during the interview process that someone new to kiev must endure to find good girls, you can do certain strategies that will increase your sex. waste of time, as you correctly say, is your enemy. so you can summon multiple girls to appear at your apartment in closer succession, one after the other, or even a few of them simultaneously, on the pretext of making a "party", and then simply choose to send away those who don't make the grade, and fuck those who are doable. i have so many times recommended looking for internet girls like from mamba, or top-modals, during the daytime hours, and then going at 8pm or 9pm to rio, or to a nightclub, whichever you like better. my experience has been that the girls who have come to my apartment have mostly been at least doable, so i fucked them. only a minority of girls had to be sent away. i really don't understand why you are having such difficulty in getting laid in kiev. the likelihood of getting a supermodel from an internet site is low however. but that is why you go to the strip club or nightclub at night for, to pull out a really hot girl. it could happen during daytime exploits also, but it is a welcome accident if it does. so if you're holding out for a supermodel to come from mamba, then i understand why it takes so long. just lower your daytime internet requirements to girls who are a 7 or above, and you should be preoccupied with fucking mamba girls in no time.
hi lj, i don't say kiev is hard nut. but, if your time is limited, it is not always possible to find girls easily. why?
1) sex is not always guarantee at night clubs and other bars with p4p. sometimes they want too much money. sometimes men / girl ratio is not good for us, but sometimes there are real gems as well. if you trip for 3 days, hang up in night clubs and you have nothing in midnight, you are already half drunk and only way to go a strip club.
2) stip clubs like mandarin, rio and dolls always provide 100% guarantee sex because they have "pick up" service. but also 100% all in condom. no cim, cif. and probably no daty. this makes all too mechanic for me. yes, there are really stunning girls. but all in condom. therefore primarly target is pick up gems from a night club or find in mamba.
3) mamba girls are not always shown up, or they come too late (almost one of 3 girl don't come the time we appoint.) this costs time. too much time. i read your post. you say in one day, you can meet 2, maximum 3 mamba girls. the problem is you cannot know how they look until they come to your room or cafe. of course you can send her back if you don't like. but again, time is our main cost here. because we don't live in kiev. every minute you can't find girl, your fixed costs are increasing. so my primarily purpose, find girls, pretty girls as soon as possible.
if you have about 1 week minimum, and you can really make speed date with mamba girls, you are very lucky man because other days you will be very busy. but short time visits, this is not easy to find pretty girls always. i'm gointo to kiev for only 1 days, next weekend, saturday morning arrival and sunday night back. because i don't have time. i make a list with mamba angels. and night will be go directly strip club because saturday night, all clubs will be full full and probably competition will be high. this kind of short trip, believe kiev not good idea. but it is still only option for me.i forgot to mention again, that if you are looking for more certainty, have a look at the gia escort website. they use photoshopped but true pics, and state their services clearly for each girl. they are priced a little higher though. but maybe on a very short term visit, it will serve your purposes.
I think Kiev Freak's post here was aimed at you, but I'll toss in some detail. The strip club Rio is behind the Taras Shevchenko Ukraine National Opera and directly across the street from the German Embassy. Many, but not all, of the girls dancing there are available. I believe the place opens at 4pm, but I'm not sure what the depth of talent looks like at that time. If you show up at 7pm you can have a drink or two and perhaps have a girl out the door before 9pm. The advantages and disadvantages of this option are covered in many posts on this thread. The highest ask I had from a girl there was $400 for what amounts to around three hours; the lowest, and most typical, ask was $300. I think my costs of just being in the club (drinks, dances, chatting up girls over drinks, tips) ran a little above $60 / hour minimum. You can just signal a girl who is dancing you are interested, many speak pragmatic English. I typically came in after 8pm or so; not sure how it will work showing up earlier. For your circumstances, this may be the most convenient path.That does sound convenient, although even hanging out at the club for 2 hours isn't that attractive to me. I have become lazy and spoiled over the years! Thank you for this information.
This year, or at this time of the year?
I am not there, and have not been there since April, but when I go, I think of Gia as my upper end providers. You usually get what you see, although, yes, the photos are a little photoshoped. I just noticed that several of their girls are at only $150, which is usual for them. If they are at $150, the girls on the street must be down to $50! I hope the pattern holds until I return.
Any comments?For convenience, this is hard to beat. I have read both good and bad things about Gia, but it certainly appeals to me. I like the idea of just arranging for someone to come to me, and then I don't have to do any 'work' to make it happen. Also, seems cheaper then going to the club. But, I am wary of some of the comments in the forum.
Do you think the Gia is generally a reliable service, but maybe people are disappointed in the girls sometimes. Or, is it a scam organization that is to be avoided? I just love the idea of making a call and having a girl sent over.
Thank you!
Kiev Freak
11-01-13, 10:24
I forgot to mention again, that if you are looking for more certainty, have a look at the Gia escort website. They use photoshopped but true pics, and state their services clearly for each girl. They are priced a little higher though. But maybe on a very short term visit, it will serve your purposes.LJ, you recommend meet with mamba girls in cafe or apartment for 2 days trip? All girls don't come home directly. Mostly I got answer "lets start drining a cup of coffee". Maybe only hardened girls accept to meet in flat?
This is bad idea to meet with them in cafe near flat and go directly home if you like? Becasue I think it is easier to leave girl in cafe if you don't like her. In fact I wanted to fly again Pattaya but 15 hours + 15 hours back total 30 hours trip I can't endure for only 3 days in Pattaya. I will focus on Kiev again.
Kiev Freak
11-01-13, 10:53
That does sound convenient, although even hanging out at the club for 2 hours isn't that attractive to me. I have become lazy and spoiled over the years! Thank you for this information.
For convenience, this is hard to beat. I have read both good and bad things about Gia, but it certainly appeals to me. I like the idea of just arranging for someone to come to me, and then I don't have to do any 'work' to make it happen. Also, seems cheaper then going to the club. But, I am wary of some of the comments in the forum.
Do you think the Gia is generally a reliable service, but maybe people are disappointed in the girls sometimes. Or, is it a scam organization that is to be avoided? I just love the idea of making a call and having a girl sent over.
Thank you!GIA is not SCAM, but crazy expensive. The general idea is why you come to Kiev if you can pay 300$/h for gia girls ? you can make it in ypur home country too. Some girls charge 300usd really according to Gia website. And girls don't make always the service they advertised on their site.
I forgot to mention again, that if you are looking for more certainty, have a look at the Gia escort website. They use photoshopped but true pics, and state their services clearly for each girl. They are priced a little higher though. But maybe on a very short term visit, it will serve your purposes.Photoshopped pics are NOT true pics. LOL.
Because photoshopped pics can be far from reality. LOL
1) Sex is not always guarantee at night clubs and other bars with p4p. Sometimes they want too much money. Sometimes men / girl ratio is not good for us, but sometimes there are real gems as well. If you trip for 3 days, hang up in night clubs and you have nothing in midnight, you are already half drunk and only way to go a strip club.
2) stip clubs like mandarin, Rio and dolls always provide 100% guarantee sex because they have "pick up" service. But also 100% all in condom. No cim, cif. And probably no DATY. This makes all too mechanic for me. Yes, there are really stunning girls. But all in condom. Therefore primarly target is pick up gems from a night club or find in mamba.
3) Mamba girls are not always shown up, or they come too late (almost one of 3 girl don't come the time we appoint.) this costs time. Too much time. I read your post. You say in one day, you can meet 2, maximum 3 mamba girls. The problem is you cannot know how they look until they come to your room or cafe. Of course you can send her back if you don't like. But again, time is our main cost here. Because we don't live in Kiev. Every minute you can't find girl, your fixed costs are increasing. So my primarily purpose, find girls, pretty girls as soon as possible.
You are right – fixed costs in Kiev are high, i.e. nice accommodation on Kreshatik street and restaurant/quality western food are expensive. The more days you stay the more you pay.
Once you arrive in Kiev, time starts to cost money. The longer time it takes to get girls you want = more money. So spending more money to get a quick pickup in clubs, etc is not necessary more expensive than spending a lot of time picking up girls elsewhere because of the daily fixed costs.
By the way, spending a lot of time does NOT guarantee getting the girls you want; so it could end up costing more than the clubs.
Either you'll pay. LOL
Your feeling that some Thai women are as beautiful, or even more beautiful, than Ukrainian, or other EE women, is a purely subjective opinion. It isn't correct. Nor is it incorrect. It is merely a subjective opinion. Of course, since you feel that way, it is a great advantage that Thai pussy is very cheap.
My feeling that I prefer the type of beauty possessed by EE women, more than the beauty of Asian women, is also simply my subjective feeling. It isn't incorrect. Nor is it correct. It is simply how I feel. And is merely a subjective opinion. I believe it is shared by many Western men.
I'm not saying that I would not have sex with a pretty Asian girl. I have had and do continue to have sex with Asian women. It's just that I feel the beauty of EE women is more attractive.
I also like Latina beauty. But I still feel more attracted to EE beauty. For example, here attached is a Latina beauty that I met recently in Florida. No normal guy is throwing such a pretty girl out of his bed. I think she is more beautiful than actress Salma Hayek, whom she looks like a little. But here attached also are some photos of EE beauties. I just feel more attracted to the EE type of beauty. But it's just a subjective opinion and feeling. It's not something that I'm saying is more correct than your feeling that you enjoy beautiful Thai women just as much as Ukrainian beauties.
So enjoy the beauties you found in Pattaya, and enjoy how cheap it is. I still prefer Kiev and the type of beauty to be found in Ukraine, or German FKK's.
Happy Mongering wherever your heart takes you.
LJYour attached pics below contain sexy beauties which I prefer too except the 1st one.
So for me, in a place like an FKK, where it is possible for me to fuck a lot of girls, I can therefore fuck many more girls than I have enough cum for, and I still enjoy fucking a pretty girl for the entertainment value of the visuals, that I will be able to remember and see again and again in my mind, and the pleasure feelings experienced during the sex, and the satisfactions of performing well and causing a young pretty girl's body to quiver in orgasm, and I definitely feel these things are worth paying for in p4p. So I disagree with what you wrote. How many times you cum, is not the only measure for p4p value. Some of the sessions may have been just for the pleasure of sex, even if one did not cum in the end, but chose to end the session at the half hour, or hour mark, for cost considerations. Because money too is not limitless, and with the amount of money available to spend on this entertainment, perhaps one wants to fuck more pretty girls, rather than keep going with the one same girl. It's a different area of this hobby, where the operational considerations are different than for other younger guys who can cum many times, but who are usually just able to fuck for several minutes (maybe 5 minutes for most average men, maybe 10 minutes) before the cum is forced from them in an orgasm.I see that you like to pay to serve the girls.
I can tell you that the girls you serve are probably laughing with their friends all the way to the bank.
An interesting thought you raise. You say there is only value worth paying for if you cum, and in calculating the costs of p4p, it is only the cost per cum, that is relevant. But really it is a younger man's perspective. Or the perspective of someone who has the ability to cum many, many times, and far more times than he would ever consider paying for.
Do you really not see the "fun factor" in fucking a pretty young girl for a half hour, or an hour, in different positions, and hearing her pleasure, and seeing the look on her face and in her eyes, as you continue to do a job on her, that she has rarely experienced? (This is more for regular girls, than for the sex machine girls in an FKK who have done it all and seen it all).I thought I did until a friend, an expert monger in EE, reminded me that the girls should be serving you and NOT the other way around.
BTW, if she's been around the block for sometime regardless of her age, she has experienced such pleasures many times from other men; so you're not the first few but just one of them as they see it.
I bet if it weren't for calls for P4P, most of them wouldn't even answer their regular clients' phone calls.
There's only pay and sex but nothing else almost all the time in EE.
As someone had pointed out in an earlier post, you and many others fell into the illusion the girls given you.
An interesting thought you raise. You say there is only value worth paying for if you cum, and in calculating the costs of p4p, it is only the cost per cum, that is relevant. But really it is a younger man's perspective. Or the perspective of someone who has the ability to cum many, many times, and far more times than he would ever consider paying for.
Do you really not see the "fun factor" in fucking a pretty young girl for a half hour, or an hour, in different positions, and hearing her pleasure, and seeing the look on her face and in her eyes, as you continue to do a job on her, that she has rarely experienced? (This is more for regular girls, than for the sex machine girls in an FKK who have done it all and seen it all).I see absolutely no point in P4P sex without cumming, especially without cumming in mouth and / or face.
For a monger in P4P, it's like a big budget film that goes nowhere.
You might as well go for some booze and drinks to lessen your urges and cool your head.
Kiev Freak
11-01-13, 15:56
All women in this world want something from you, and that is sure!
If you think she is with you only because she has feelings for you, then you are totally wrong.
They all want everything from us, it can be money, safety, child, marriage.
But a girl will suck you dry until you have none, they will do everything to change you and make you her puppet.
No girl will stay with you only because she has feelings for you or whatever.
Ukrainian girls just care a little bit less about materials, because they have been living all their life in Ukraine, and they are not like our western girls who need this and that.
But marry to an Ukraine girl, then bring her to your country and see her changing in less than a year for sure!
That is why these days I think paying for pussy and getting what you paid for thats it, is not so bad!
Most people saying paying to get sex is weak don't know what they are talking about.
Most men with a girlfriend, meet her many times, offer her gifts, and then maybe sex, so whats the difference.
All girls want everything from you, and thats it, a working girl or not.
So I respect working girls, because at least they give the exact prices and do not play with us!
It is just the human nature, we are all greedy.
But a real man got to have his game right, and pay the less possible, or spend the less possible time with a girl to get what he wants, sex.
That become easier and easier with experience, it is all about methods.
Sex is really like a contract, you need to use your skills as much as possible to get it signed!
Or you just pay and thats it.
I used to only have sex with freebies and few p4p.
But these days I like p4p more than I used to.
Also p4p can take care of your * better than a regular girlfriend sometimes.
And that come from a man who get easy pussy and fucked a ton of beautiful Russian girlsHi, you are absolutely right! I found a girl in mamba last year. She was from a small town 2 hours away from Kiev. I bought ticket, she came my home. We were togerther for 1,5 years. We spend crazy times together for first. 6-7 months. I thought i found an angel. Most time she was with me. I met her parents. Even I started to think marry with her. Every month I gave her about 300-500 USD, because she came from a long way for me. Of course pay for ticket as well. But she never asked me something. She wasnt greedy.
I was going to work, she stayed in home, waited me, cleaned home, made food. We went several times international holiday together. World was paradise for us. After some time, she started to talk with men during flights. Phone exchanged with men. She found other ukrainians in istanbul and also talked with them in internet. Step by step, she started to be getting a different girl. She started to not like the destinations we went for travel before (all was 5 star hotels in perfect places) . she , didnt want to come with me to travel. even she didnt want to come my home anymore.why ? i didnt understand it. because other men offered her better places. she admitted this later. Before she was saying how nice country Turkey and how nice people turkish people, later She started to said Turkish men animal, I was very bad man according to her view and I would want to make her prisoner in my home. Etc. She wanted golds, she wanted money, she wanted marriage, she wanted children. Etc. Last time I visited her (because she refused to come my home because she was very busy with her study) , she asked me to buy a home in ukrain for her. I was trying to understand what was happening. When she drunk, she told me everything, she had sex many time, she had many man for last 6 months. Etc. The angel, I met 1 year ago, changed and transformed a hardened pros. I believe this is not a story you heard first time. I feel myself very lucky because I get rid off from her without any damage.
You must be very very very careful if you think a serious relationship with a girl from FSU. If you found her in a small town, probably you will think she is an angel. She is not greedy, very femine, behave you very kind. Wash your dirty clothes. Etc.
However, they are tend to change after you bring them into your home country. And if your aim is serious relationship, or marriage and you think you you love her really, you must think triple before you lose your everything and try her minimum 1 year. Unless you know all about her family, unless you know their culture, their life style, and social structure very well, don't bring a girl to your home for a serious relationship. Or you will feel a pain in the arse.
lj, you recommend meet with mamba girls in cafe or apartment for 2 days trip? all girls don't come home directly. mostly i got answer "lets start drining a cup of coffee". maybe only hardened girls accept to meet in flat?
this is bad idea to meet with them in cafe near flat and go directly home if you like? becasue i think it is easier to leave girl in cafe if you don't like her. in fact i wanted to fly again pattaya but 15 hours + 15 hours back total 30 hours trip i can't endure for only 3 days in pattaya. i will focus on kiev again.of course it is not a bad idea to meet girls at a cafe near your apartment. you stated the reason. because it is easier to leave them there if you don't want them, than to send them away from your apartment. however, the trade off is that there is probably more time waste involved with unsuccessful dates at a cafe. also, i would re-examine your hesitancy to use your apartment. how hard is it really to say to a girl that you are sorry, but she looks nothing like the pictures of her on the computer, and you decided therefore to pass on having the date with her. she will ask for taxi fare, most likely. don't give more than 50 grivna for taxi fare. that is enough for most downtown taxi rides from any point a to point b. she probably came by metro, not taxi, anyways, or she has the agency driver picking her up. but there are girls who did come by taxi. and 50 grivna is a very small sum ($6. 25) , so it's worth it if it gets rid of the girl without a hassle.
my decision on a very short 3 night weekend visit to kiev, was to have the girls come directly to my apartment building. i gave them the address of the building, but not the apartment number. because i told them that the front door of the building is locked, and so i will come downstairs to greet them and take them into the building, and to call me when they arrive at the building. this gives me an opportunity to see them first, and if they really look bad, to make excuses and pass on them right there on the sidewalk. but i was lucky and most of the girls that came were pretty good looking, so i was very excited as i was escorting them up to my apartment, because i was thinking about that i will be fucking this sexy new girl in just a few minutes later. but i have also many times given my apartment number and let them come up directly sometimes too. meeting them at my apartment was simply easier for me, and i was happy i didn't inconvenience myself to go to some cafe just to meet them. i wasn't afraid of sending girls who were not sexy away, but it rarely happened. i basically fucked almost every girl that came to my apartment who was at least a 7. and i was lucky that the girls who came were good looking, with a nice body.
you write that the idea to meet at the cafe is coming from the mamba girl herself. that's interesting. usually a p4p girl wants to get directly to the business where she gets paid, and would want to come directly to your apartment to get it on. are the girls who are suggesting to you a cafe meeting, girls who have said to you that they will have sex with you for money, in prior messages? if having sex together has not yet been discussed between you and her, then it can't be assumed to be a p4p date. it may be a regular girl date, and that is why she wants to start your meetings at a cafe. if you have already discussed having sex in your mamba messages, or discussed paying her money to meet, and she is clearly a p4p girl, it may be that she is simply selective about who she lets fuck her, and doesn't accept money from trolls. she wants to know if you are safe and normal and not too unappealing for her. that's not the mentality of a hardened prostitute, as you correctly observe, but it is the mentality of a semi-pro girl who is dabbling in prostitution, and does not see herself as a prostitute.
during daytime you can also call girls from other internet sites like top-modals. com or minuet. biz or others mentioned in this thread previously. as well you can go to girl apartments with a taxi driver who knows where they are, who can interpret for you and speak for you and help communicate about prices or services, if you want. and you pick the girl based on how she looks. it might be possible to arrange take out from a girl apartment too. so there are other options aside from mamba for daytime fucking.
did you try suggesting to the mamba girls who want to have a coffee first, that you have coffee at your apartment, and that you wanted to be able to also offer them chocolates which you brought, and other refreshments. maybe that will sound nice and gentleman like to them and they will agree to come to your apartment.
but in the end, the answer is that, even though it might waste a little more of your time, it is not bad to meet at a cafe in the afternoon. but then you may as well try to do the speed dating thing and try to schedule the coffee meetings one after the other, at various different cafe's or bars. i wouldn't give a lot of time for these meetings, because all you want is to see what she looks like. you don't need to learn about her emotions and personality for a p4p date. you can always reschedule the later meetings if you meet the girl of your dreams on one of these coffee dates. bear in mind though that if she wanted a coffee date first, it is because she wanted the opportunity to screen who she fucks. so your fuck plans for her are uncertain until she says yes, to your invitation to go to your apartment.
I thought I did until a friend, an expert monger in EE, reminded me that the girls should be serving you and NOT the other way around.
BTW, if she's been around the block for sometime regardless of her age, she has experienced such pleasures many times from other men; so you're not the first few but just one of them as they see it.
I bet if it weren't for calls for P4P, most of them wouldn't even answer their regular clients' phone calls.
There's only pay and sex but nothing else almost all the time in EE.
As someone had pointed out in an earlier post, you and many others fell into the illusion the girls given you.I like this topic of debate. I'm going to give you a few hypotheticals, to see if just maybe you can understand this. It's not about "serving" the girls, it's about the fun and pleasure received by the monger.
So you are saying that if you had fucked girls as many times as it takes until you had no more cum left, but you could still get an erection and stay hard enough for fucking, and you still had plenty of money and there were still plenty of really pretty girls that you had not yet had a chance to touch, that in that circumstance you would simply leave the FKK sex club?
If your answer to the above was "yes", you would leave, and you would fuck no more girls, then let's change the question just a bit, and suppose that you were able to cum only two or three times, and after that your cum was totally depleted for the day, so that you could not cum anymore, until you had time of a day to recharge, but you could still fuck pretty good, and you had already paid your 75 Euro entrance fee to the FKK, and you could still receive all the physical pleasure involved in getting a BJ and in fucking, would you still leave the FKK? Or would you continue to have fun and have sex with more pretty girls, even though you could not finish by cumming on their faces?
If you said,"yes" to that hypothetical also, then you obviously have a "cum on face" fetish, perhaps because you have been watching too much of current porn, which always ends sex scenes in that way.
But if you can look outside the bubble of your own sexuality, you might be able to realize that there is physical pleasure in the sensations felt during oral sex and intercourse, that precedes the moment of ejaculation. Otherwise you could not reach the ejaculation point. So think of the exquisite pleasure you experience in the minutes leading up to the ejaculation, and you will be able to understand the entertainment and fun value to oral sex and intercourse, even if your body has no more cum left.
One further step, though. Think of a man who knows in advance that he can only cum three times, but he also knows in advance that he is paying a lot of money to go into an FKK, and wants to fuck at least 8 girls there, because it is fun for him, and he has the money. So because the pleasure level is much higher when his balls are still full of sperm, what he does is to save some of his cum, his third or fourth ejaculation, until the very last fuck session of the day. And during the initial first four or five fuck sessions at the FKK, he saves his sperm, and fucks just up until and almost just reaching an ejaculation. But he has the fucking superpowers to control his body and stop just before crossing the point of no return for ejaculation. So that he has experienced all of the intense pleasure one can have when their balls are full of sperm, from all aspects of sex, and yet at the end, he doesn't let himself cum yet. But terminates the fuck session on the 30 minute mark, or on the 60 minute mark, and then he goes on to do the same thing with another gorgeous beautiful young girl. And he lets himself finish and cum during these sessions only when he can't resist anymore, or the girl is just too fucking good at sex and she pulls him past his point of no return. And in this way, he can enjoy sex for an entire day and night at the FKK, with many more girls. Would you say that all his fun has no value to you.
You need to consider this question in a context where the availability of sex with pretty girls at a very low cost, far exceeds your own cumming capacity. Do you simply stop fucking because you have no more cum left? Or do you continue to fuck until your penis can no longer stand erect for the job?
Kiev Freak
11-01-13, 17:14
Sex is possible in ambrasura and salon dolly? Or only handjob?
I like this topic of debate. I'm going to give you a few hypotheticals, to see if just maybe you can understand this. It's not about "serving" the girls, it's about the fun and pleasure received by the monger.
So you are saying that if you had fucked girls as many times as it takes until you had no more cum left, but you could still get an erection and stay hard enough for fucking, and you still had plenty of money and there were still plenty of really pretty girls that you had not yet had a chance to touch, that in that circumstance you would simply leave the FKK sex club?
If your answer to the above was "yes", you would leave, and you would fuck no more girls, then let's change the question just a bit, and suppose that you were able to cum only two or three times, and after that your cum was totally depleted for the day, so that you could not cum anymore, until you had time of a day to recharge, but you could still fuck pretty good, and you had already paid your 75 Euro entrance fee to the FKK, and you could still receive all the physical pleasure involved in getting a BJ and in fucking, would you still leave the FKK? Or would you continue to have fun and have sex with more pretty girls, even though you could not finish by cumming on their faces?
If you said,"yes" to that hypothetical also, then you obviously have a "cum on face" fetish, perhaps because you have been watching too much of current porn, which always ends sex scenes in that way.
One further step, though. Think of a man who knows in advance that he can only cum three times, but he also knows in advance that he is paying a lot of money to go into an FKK, and wants to fuck at least 8 girls there, because it is fun for him, and he has the money.That's what's wrong with FKK where you pay a considerable entry fee, which mongers like yourself trying to averaged it out by having as many sessions as possible but at the end you are paying even more, which makes the FKK owners and the girls laugh all their way to the bank.
If the FKK has negligible entrance fee, many mongers may like yourself may rethink their 'strategy. '
Kiev Freak
11-01-13, 17:48
You write that the idea to meet at the cafe is coming from the mamba girl herself. That's interesting. Usually a p4p girl wants to get directly to the business where she gets paid, and would want to come directly to your apartment to get it on. Are the girls who are suggesting to you a cafe meeting, girls who have said to you that they will have sex with you for money, in prior messages? If having sex together has not yet been discussed between you and her, then it can't be assumed to be a p4p date. It may be a regular girl date, and that is why she wants to start your meetings at a cafe. If you have already discussed having sex in your mamba messages, or discussed paying her money to meet, and she is clearly a p4p girl, it may be that she is simply selective about who she lets fuck her, and doesn't accept money from trolls. She wants to know if you are safe and normal and not too unappealing for her. That's not the mentality of a hardened prostitute, as you correctly observe, but it is the mentality of a semi-pro girl who is dabbling in prostitution, and does not see herself as a prostitute.
During daytime you can also call girls from other Internet sites like top-modals. Com or minuet. Biz or others mentioned in this thread previously. As well you can go to girl apartments with a taxi driver who knows where they are, who can interpret for you and speak for you and help communicate about prices or services, if you want. And you pick the girl based on how she looks. It might be possible to arrange take out from a girl apartment too. So there are other options aside from mamba for daytime fucking.
Did you try suggesting to the mamba girls who want to have a coffee first, that you have coffee at your apartment, and that you wanted to be able to also offer them chocolates which you brought, and other refreshments. Maybe that will sound nice and gentleman like to them and they will agree to come to your apartment.
I always ask to girls how much it costs to be with you for xxx hours in mamba, and later meet with them so always I simply emphasize that this is meeting for exchance sex with money. So girls always know why we meet. But some girls says they want to meet in cafe, they want to see me first. Top modals is mostl fake photos and communication is very big problem. I sent my address by sms, and usually got no answer. I don't know they will come or not because they don't speak english and don't give answer my sms. Maybe because I don't use ukrainian phone number? I don't want use ukrainian number because my phone must be open always for business. I must buy another cheap cellphone if I need to use ukrain number to get answers from girls.
I usually send sms as soon as girl gives me her phone number in mamba to make her to know my phone number. However even these mamba girls we appointed before online, don't answer my calls and / or sms when I call, because it is not a local ukrain number?
And about your other question, I always make apartment full with luxury drinks such as chivas, liqueurs, tequila and many chocolate of course, from duty free. High level. .
I never get into a taxi to reach brothels by driver's help because I don't trust taxi in Kiev. You tried this before? Get in an unknown taxi and say ya hacu devuska (I want girl)? This is safe really? I made that in st piter because I already knew the address and just call brothels and give phone to driver. I didn't ask help from drivers to go an unknown brothels.
I like this topic of debate. I'm going to give you a few hypotheticals, to see if just maybe you can understand this. It's not about "serving" the girls, it's about the fun and pleasure received by the monger.
So you are saying that if you had fucked girls as many times as it takes until you had no more cum left, but you could still get an erection and stay hard enough for fucking, and you still had plenty of money and there were still plenty of really pretty girls that you had not yet had a chance to touch, that in that circumstance you would simply leave the FKK sex club?
One further step, though. Think of a man who knows in advance that he can only cum three times, but he also knows in advance that he is paying a lot of money to go into an FKK, and wants to fuck at least 8 girls there, because it is fun for him, and he has the money. So because the pleasure level is much higher when his balls are still full of sperm, what he does is to save some of his cum, his third or fourth ejaculation, until the very last fuck session of the day. And during the initial first four or five fuck sessions at the FKK, he fucks just up until and almost just reaching an ejaculation. But terminates the fuck session on the 30 minute mark, or on the 60 minute mark, and then he goes on to do the same thing with another gorgeous beautiful young girl. And he lets himself finish and cum during these sessions only when he can't resist anymore, or the girl is just too fucking good at sex and she pulls him past his point of no return.
You need to consider this question in a context where the availability of sex with pretty girls at a very low cost, far exceeds your own cumming capacity. Do you simply stop fucking because you have no more cum left? Or do you continue to fuck until your penis can no longer stand erect for the job?After CIP few times (if the pussy is nice and tight) and CIM / COF, I stay hard and erect for another 10 minutes. So generally after taking a shower coming back to the girl, she'd see me with an erect cock still, but no more fucking from her side as time's up.
It seems you're talking about a guy who does not have sex on a daily or regular basis but who has opportunity for sex for a few days in a long time like a month or more.
Or else it's just silly.
If you paid for sex and don't cum again and again it's kind like girls who want to stay thin but still want to eat all the food they enjoy; so they eat; then they go throw up in the bathroom. LOL
So you are saying that if you had fucked girls as many times as it takes until you had no more cum left, but you could still get an erection and stay hard enough for fucking. You need to consider this question in a context where the availability of sex with pretty girls at a very low cost, far exceeds your own cumming capacity. Do you simply stop fucking because you have no more cum left? Or do you continue to fuck until your penis can no longer stand erect for the job?You say how do you know you have no cum left:
Once I cum and cum many times day after day until the cum is mixed with blood, and that's how I knew I had no cum left.
My balls were completely emptied out kind like a fast or body cleansing with no food left in your body.
GIA is not SCAM, but crazy expensive. The general idea is why you come to Kiev if you can pay 300$/h for gia girls ? you can make it in ypur home country too. Some girls charge 300usd really according to Gia website. And girls don't make always the service they advertised on their site.I understand your perspective, but you have to please understand my reality.
I am in Kiev for only a few days, and I'm coming on business. So, I'm going to be very busy, early in the morning, and I don't really like to party or drink much. It's best for me to be in bed by 10pm. I am not the kind of personality to have much fun at a strip club, especially by myself. So, I really don't have enough time to invest a lot of effort into finding girls, and I hate to waste an evening and have nothing for it.
What I DO have is some money to spend. I understand that $300 for a girl from Gia is a lot for Kiev, but I'd rather spend $300 and have a nice girl come to my apartment at a set time over spending a few hours out in clubs. It's easier for me, and that is worth some money.
Maybe if Rio is a 'sure thing' I could go there, spend an hour, and plan to bring a girl out. But it sounds like that would probably cost $300 and maybe some more, plus some time. So, it doesn't sound better to me.
I can see that Gia is geared towards foreigners and so probably it's very expensive for Kiev. So, probably there are better options. I spend a lot of time in Thailand and there, there are places you can go and have guaranteed choice of girls and you pay less than $100 for about 2 hours and room is included. But, I haven't seen such options in Kiev.
So, that's why I'm asking questions around here. In some cities, I have had people refer me to some independents, like the phone number of a pretty girl who you can meet for a drink and then go back to my room for a reasonable price. That is really the best situation, but it requires someone to give the right information.
Kiev Freak
11-02-13, 10:02
And you usually arrange metting day and time after you come to Kiev, or before coming to Kiev, as soon as you find girl, you set a meeting time online in mamba ?
and you usually arrange metting day and time after you come to kiev, or before coming to kiev, as soon as you find girl, you set a meeting time online in mamba ?at this point, as i have a list of mamba girls that i already met and liked, i set up specific date / time appointments with those of them that i want on a particular weekend visit (i can't fuck all of them every time i visit) , so that my schedule begins to have some structure with girls who i know are good. then i do make some advance appointments with some of the new unknown mamba girls (not all of the new contacts, just those i want to put into my schedule).
in coming for a weekend or several day visit, i don't think it is adviseable to try to pre-plan every minute of your time in kiev, and completely fill in your schedule in advance with pre-booked appointments. there are too many instances of changes required and reschedulings required due to circumstances that arise for you or for the girls, so that you will be better served with a schedule that has room for some flexibility. therefore i make more appointments for the initial days, but leave the last day or two more open, for the "just in case" situations that may arise. also i don't like to schedule girls in advance for all the time slots i have for the entire evening such that i can no longer go out to a club, unless i know for sure that the girl i schedule is fantastic. so i would never schedule unknown mamba contacts for the time slots after 8:00 pm that i might wish to go out to a club. but if the girl is a known entity, then i would schedule her for the evening slot and either fuck her at 8:00 pm and still be able to go out at 10:00 pm, or just stay in with a girl for the night if she is good enough. more recently, since i have a good number of solid contacts that i know are good for the overnight, i have been skipping going out to a club on many evenings. but i still like to get in one night or two nights at a club, so i leave my schedule open for it, and don't pre-book every night.
so the answer is, you need to strike a balance that makes sense between pre-booked specific date / time appointments with some of your contacts versus waiting to set the time of the meeting until after you have arrived in kiev and you have seen how your schedule is working out and shaping up. you need to have flexibility in your schedule for rescheduling of meetings, and other things that arise.
but you can safely set up a few appointments in advance, if you choose, with the most promising of your new mamba contacts, as why not? some or most of those appointments may need to be rescheduled in the end due to no shows or requests to change the time due to matters that came up. that's how it goes. so just don't fill up your entire schedule in advance with appointments with unknown girls. that schedule will certainly fall apart, and you won't have flexibility when you need it.
however, if you are planning to do some speed dating on your first day or two in kiev at various cafe's between the hours of, let's say. 11:00 am and 5:00 pm, and you know which cafe's you want to use, then you should of course set up those specific date / time appointments in advance. and you should caution each of those girls that you are a businessman with many, many business meetings to attend to, and you have a schedule of appointments already set up, so that it is very important for them (the girls) to arrive at the agreed time and place to meet with you, and not to come late. and that, you apologize in advance, but if they are late, that meeting will have to be cancelled and rescheduled because you will have to leave at the correct time for your next scheduled appointment and will not be able to simply continue waiting for them, as much as you would like to, so to please make sure to be on time.
And you usually arrange metting day and time after you come to Kiev, or before coming to Kiev, as soon as you find girl, you set a meeting time online in mamba ?I have never used mamba. I am not even sure how it works. But, it seemed like it would take a lot of time to get it setup and it's not a sure thing. So, I haven't tried it.
Hi Guys, anyone here in touch with or know the whereabouts of Qjump?
I met up with him a few years ago in Donetsk, but seem to have lost his contact details. Tried PMing him but my guess is he doesn't visit the site much anymore.
Thanks,
A-1001
I understand your perspective, but you have to please understand my reality.
I am in Kiev for only a few days, and I'm coming on business. So, I'm going to be very busy, early in the morning, and I don't really like to party or drink much. It's best for me to be in bed by 10pm. I am not the kind of personality to have much fun at a strip club, especially by myself. So, I really don't have enough time to invest a lot of effort into finding girls, and I hate to waste an evening and have nothing for it.
What I DO have is some money to spend. I understand that $300 for a girl from Gia is a lot for Kiev, but I'd rather spend $300 and have a nice girl come to my apartment at a set time over spending a few hours out in clubs. It's easier for me, and that is worth some money.
Maybe if Rio is a 'sure thing' I could go there, spend an hour, and plan to bring a girl out. But it sounds like that would probably cost $300 and maybe some more, plus some time. So, it doesn't sound better to me.
I can see that Gia is geared towards foreigners and so probably it's very expensive for Kiev. So, probably there are better options. I spend a lot of time in Thailand and there, there are places you can go and have guaranteed choice of girls and you pay less than $100 for about 2 hours and room is included. But, I haven't seen such options in Kiev.
So, that's why I'm asking questions around here. In some cities, I have had people refer me to some independents, like the phone number of a pretty girl who you can meet for a drink and then go back to my room for a reasonable price. That is really the best situation, but it requires someone to give the right information.Now that you have described your situation and your limitations more precisely, I would say that for your own purposes, your analysis is correct. Since you want to be in bed sleeping already by 10:00 PM, it really means that you cannot enjoy any of the nighttime mongering opportunities of Kiev at any nightclub or even a strip club like Rio which opens at 8:00 PM, since even if it was a "sure thing" and you could manage to get a good take out all lined up in short time, you would not get home with the girl from Rio much before 10:00 PM, at best, and so you would anyways not be able to enjoy the three hours with her to have sex, because it is past your 10:00 PM bedtime, and you need to work the next day.
So a guy in your situation really needs to be able to monger during the daytime hours or very early evening hours, and Gia escort, although overpriced for Kiev market, would service your needs ok probably, since you don't mind paying for the convenience and efficiency of a date they might provide. I personally just never thought that the girls in the line up at Gia were that good looking or "hot" compared to the better girls at the Rio strip club, so I never used Gia yet. My only reason to urge you to try Rio is because I think there are better looking girls possible for you to get from Rio. But if you are not willing to invest the effort / time into that pursuit and stay up a little later one night, then review the Gia escort website carefully, and compare the girls on the basis of looks, services and prices, and you may find a few girls worth trying. From reports it seems they have some good girls too.
For daytime mongering, if you have time at your apartment, in combination with Gia dates, you could also very easily invite a number of mamba girls to your apartment to meet them, and if any are nice you will get to fuck them for much cheaper than Gia dates, and you will preserve their contact info, so you can call on them on your next trip and not have to rely on Gia.
Also, if you are using Gia as a backup of some girls who are more likely to be good, you might also try to spin the wheel and try some of the higher priced Internet escort agency websites, on the theory that they cannot really charge such high prices like 150 Euro / hour unless the girl is a beauty. Maybe you could get what you pay for. And if the girl that comes is plain and not a beauty, you simply send her away. Since you have at least one date each day with a Gia girl as backup, you can experiment with your remaining time and possibly discover some gems from the comfort of your apartment, without running all over town looking.
LJ
Now that you have described your situation and your limitations more precisely, I would say that for your own purposes, your analysis is correct. Since you want to be in bed sleeping already by 10:00 PM, it really means that you cannot enjoy any of the nighttime mongering opportunities of Kiev at any nightclub or even a strip club like Rio which opens at 8:00 PM, since even if it was a "sure thing" and you could manage to get a good take out all lined up in short time, you would not get home with the girl from Rio much before 10:00 PM, at best, and so you would anyways not be able to enjoy the three hours with her to have sex, because it is past your 10:00 PM bedtime, and you need to work the next day.
So a guy in your situation really needs to be able to monger during the daytime hours or very early evening hours, and Gia escort, although overpriced for Kiev market, would service your needs ok probably, since you don't mind paying for the convenience and efficiency of a date they might provide. I personally just never thought that the girls in the line up at Gia were that good looking or "hot" compared to the better girls at the Rio strip club, so I never used Gia yet. My only reason to urge you to try Rio is because I think there are better looking girls possible for you to get from Rio. But if you are not willing to invest the effort / time into that pursuit and stay up a little later one night, then review the Gia escort website carefully, and compare the girls on the basis of looks, services and prices, and you may find a few girls worth trying. From reports it seems they have some good girls too.
For daytime mongering, if you have time at your apartment, in combination with Gia dates, you could also very easily invite a number of mamba girls to your apartment to meet them, and if any are nice you will get to fuck them for much cheaper than Gia dates, and you will preserve their contact info, so you can call on them on your next trip and not have to rely on Gia...Hi,
Thanks for your reply. Maybe I'll stay up late one night and try Rio, sure. I would be interested in learning about some of the higher priced escort agencies, but I haven't been able to find them!
I checked out mamba. Ru but it looks like you have to pay to search for girls out of your home country. Is this true? I'm not sure how I can make a payment without revealing my personal information with a credit card, though.
Hi,
Thanks for your reply. Maybe I'll stay up late one night and try Rio, sure. I would be interested in learning about some of the higher priced escort agencies, but I haven't been able to find them!
I checked out mamba. Ru but it looks like you have to pay to search for girls out of your home country. Is this true? I'm not sure how I can make a payment without revealing my personal information with a credit card, though.Why haven't you been able to find them? Have you heard of Google? Just search "escort Kiev" and that should bring up many escort websites, generally with the very high prices of 150 euro / hour and higher. The standard price in Kiev on mamba and other low cost websites is 600 UAH ($75 or 55euro) or 800 UAH ($100 or 73 euro). So you can see that the high priced websites asking for 150 euro / hour are asking double the amount that is a proper price in Kiev because they are aiming at Western sex tourists who are used to such prices which are common in Western Europe. But nevertheless, if they deliver a real beauty to your doorstep so you can be lazy and still get laid by an awesome girl, some guys in particular limiting circumstances like you have, might decide to pay their price. The girls in the nightclubs which are demanding nothing less than $300/2hours which is $150 / hour are the same. Most won't pay this amount unless the girl is really spectacular and they can't get such a girl otherwise.
Kiev Freak
11-04-13, 15:30
Which site you use to rent a flat? I usually used booking. Com but expensive it is.
Which site you use to rent a flat? I usually used booking. Com but expensive it is.I'm saying this both to you and to other newbies who keep posting simplistic questions instead of reading the thread a reasonable number of years going back:
You really need to stop being lazy and read this thread going back a couple of years. I think you should read back to the time just after tge River Palace boat was towed away towards the end of 2010, which was a major change in part of the p4p scene in Kiev, and therefore is a reasonable starting point, not that there isn't a lot of good stuff prior. On the theory that some information which is more dated tends to become obsolete, the conditions in Kiev have not changed that much since that point in the beginning of 2011, so you are more likely to be reading info that is on point and still useful.
You are doing a disservice to yourself by not reading the thread sufficiently. There is a lot of helpful information that can help you avoid costly mistakes and can improve your understanding of how best to operate in Kiev. You will not get it all by simply posting questions that occur to you, of the type that have obviously been discussed before on this thread, hoping that someone will decide to have mercy on your lazy soul and answer you and write what has already been written all over again just for your special benefit. I hope this point sinks in, and you start reading the thread, and copy / pasting the information that seems useful into your own summary document for later review and reference. Approach the idea of mongering properly in a foreign land where you don't know the language, in a more serious fashion, since you are spending a lot of money to go there, and your efforts will be rewarded.
Oh yeah, to answer your question for the umpteenth time. I have only used kievapts. Com thus far, and have been satisfied. Others on this thread have made recommendations for other rental companies, such as airbnb. Com, and others. You can get their comments by reading or, here's an idea- searching, the thread.
Hi,
Thanks for your reply. Maybe I'll stay up late one night and try Rio, sure. I would be interested in learning about some of the higher priced escort agencies, but I haven't been able to find them!
I checked out mamba. Ru but it looks like you have to pay to search for girls out of your home country. Is this true? I'm not sure how I can make a payment without revealing my personal information with a credit card, though.You did not check out mamba properly. You do not have to pay to register or to search the site or to send and receive messages. You can change the search location to other cities by selecting that option which you may not have noticed while you were checking out the mamba site. It then gives you the option to search other countries, other districts (choose Kiev district) and then other cities (choose Kiev).
However mamba website has been using underhanded tactics to make users buy VIP status, at least I've seen this on the iPhone application for mamba. What they are doing is posting very good looking profiles of girls, that when you click on them and click on the button to send them a message, what you get is a message that the girl cannot receive messages from users like you who do not have VIP status. I resisted their obvious attempts to fuck me over and continued to do searches and send messages only to those other girls' profiles where I did not get that message, missing the opportunity that mamba was dangling in front of me to message some real hotties, until I was close enough to my trip that the minimum number of days of VIP status one coujd purchase would cover the days of my visit also. And then I finally broke down and paid for some of the "coins" they sell on the website, and used some of them to pay for VIP status for a short period of time, and guess what? All those hotties' profiles that the website had been dangling as an inducement to buy VIP status so I could message them, were nowhere to be found in my searches while I was VIP status. So I believe mamba website is committing that fraud as an inducement to get money for VIP status, at least on the iPhone application version. I don't use the web version of mamba. Ru anymore for searching and messaging, because I find the photo display too slow and not as good as the display of photos on the iPhone application version. The web version is only useful to me if I want to find out the translation of what a girl wrote in her profile in Russian, because I can only copy the written content of her profile from the web version when the language display setting of the page (look for the tiny little icon if a flag color on the bottom left of the webpage) is set to Russian, because when set to English the written content in the profile gets changed from actual Russian (that can be translated by Google Translate) to an English lettered transliteration of the Russian, which the Google Translate app cannot translate.
Anyway, I understand your concern for privacy and security of your credit card info. But you might consider using PayPal or the like. Maybe that would work.
I have been looking at Gia, and now also top-modals. Com and minuet. Biz. I noticed a couple of the same girls on both of those last two sites. I just want to make sure. Those sites aren't really agencies as much as they are listing websites where any girl can list her services, correct? Gia seems like it might be more reliable just because they are an agency and have some reputation to keep, I think. On those other two, it seems like anyone can list a profile, so there is probably a lot more scamming, bait and switch etc.
Anyone have experience with those sites?
The photos on Gia are a little doctored, but close enough. I have used them several times. The rest are more hit and miss. Check the photos carefully. A girl that looks (or is) a playboy model going for 400 Grivna obviously is a fake. Lots of photos form professional models. Lots of photos from agencies (with the same numbers) , and the one you want will not be available and they will send you a poor replacement. The girls who look like regular girls, with non-professionally taken photos, and unique phone numbers are more likely to be real. When I used them I only talked to girls who spoken english and insisted that if they were not real, they were going to be rejected, without taxi fare. You have to be clear and firm when it happens. Still, about half of them were not the girl on the photo, but about half of those are close enough in quality. The benefit is that if you are lucky, and hold on for what you really want, you can find a perfect 20 year old student for 80-100 USD.
I have been looking at Gia, and now also top-modals. Com and minuet. Biz. I noticed a couple of the same girls on both of those last two sites. I just want to make sure. Those sites aren't really agencies as much as they are listing websites where any girl can list her services, correct? Gia seems like it might be more reliable just because they are an agency and have some reputation to keep, I think. On those other two, it seems like anyone can list a profile, so there is probably a lot more scamming, bait and switch etc.
Anyone have experience with those sites?
I have been looking at Gia, and now also top-modals. Com and minuet. Biz. I noticed a couple of the same girls on both of those last two sites. I just want to make sure. Those sites aren't really agencies as much as they are listing websites where any girl can list her services, correct? Gia seems like it might be more reliable just because they are an agency and have some reputation to keep, I think. On those other two, it seems like anyone can list a profile, so there is probably a lot more scamming, bait and switch etc.
Anyone have experience with those sites?Here are a couple more of the lower cost Internet escort websites. There are others mentioned back in the thread, and others you will find as you continue to search. They all must be assumed to be using fake pictures. Their use is basically for the goal of getting girls sent to your apartment, who are willing to have sex with you for the stated price. That advances the game to a significant stage. It's much better than wandering around Kiev, wondering which girl might be p4p. The girl at your doorstep from one of these websites, will have sex with you for money. However, what cannot be assumed in advance of her arrival is whether she is sexy enough for you to desire her for sex, as well as the nature of her services beyond a quick covered "suck and fuck", which you must discuss and negotiate on the spot, and there are no guarantees.
In addition to top-modals. Com and minuet. Biz, there are others too, such as:
www.kiev-escort-models.com
www.sexbombua.com
www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/gallery/
www.sexkieva.com/en/
www.relaxportal.biz
www.escort-models.com
www.intimgirls.net
None are verified. All use fake pics. But all send you p4p girls to your doorstep.
Just "met" or mate with a blond, who just turned 20 and who looks like a full figure version of the " beautiful Amelia" posted here. She has perfect size 3 perky tits and they are real, and a firm body with a firm bubble ass, which she likes to pry open while I fucked her doggy. This chick is a real blond - non of that dye hair stuff. I DFK her soon after we met; then I went to the bathroom to cancel another date by SMS since I cannot be at two places at once. Since she agreed to rim my ass and swallow cum, and her ass looked soo goooood, I couldn't resist but to lick it and her pussy for a few minutes. Then I put my cock in her mouth and she started BBBJ. She's real good at it. It was wet and deepthroat; she took it all the way in up to the balls. I was surprised. And she also gagged on my cock as she deepthroated it. After a while, she began to lick my asshole and surprise again, she's real good at it too. She licked my asshole and stuck her tongue in my asshole, darting in and out and kissed it with suction while she looked at me from time to time. After a while, I stuck my cock in her mouth until it got hard; then I bent her over to fuck her from behind; so I could look at that nice firm ass and asshole. I fucked her for a while then moved to lie on bed so she could ride me. She rode me hard and fast for a while, then I bent her over so she could kiss me while I fucked her. Finally, I lay her on bed and fucked her; she got so wet that my cock was sliding in and out of her without much friction; at times I could feel her pussy got tighter and then less tight. She was groaning and moaning. Sometimes I played with her tits as I slided in and out of her. After a long fuck in missionary, yeah I did all the work, we switched to doggy. Finally, I took my cock out and stuck in her mouth so I could cum in her mouth. Yeah! I did cum in her mouth, on her face too, also over both of her eyes and on her tits and body and who knows where else. Then I scouped up some cum from her chin and her tits into her mouth and yeah! She swallowed it. She said it was crazy sex after we were done and before said goodbye. All this was done in an hour. I was happily surprised by her.
Your feeling that some Thai women are as beautiful, or even more beautiful, than Ukrainian, or other EE women, is a purely subjective opinion. It isn't correct. Nor is it incorrect. It is merely a subjective opinion. Of course, since you feel that way, it is a great advantage that Thai pussy is very cheap.
My feeling that I prefer the type of beauty possessed by EE women, more than the beauty of Asian women, is also simply my subjective feeling. It isn't incorrect. Nor is it correct. It is simply how I feel. And is merely a subjective opinion. I believe it is shared by many Western men.
I'm not saying that I would not have sex with a pretty Asian girl. I have had and do continue to have sex with Asian women. It's just that I feel the beauty of EE women is more attractive.
I also like Latina beauty. But I still feel more attracted to EE beauty. For example, here attached is a Latina beauty that I met recently in Florida. No normal guy is throwing such a pretty girl out of his bed. I think she is more beautiful than actress Salma Hayek, whom she looks like a little. But here attached also are some photos of EE beauties. I just feel more attracted to the EE type of beauty. But it's just a subjective opinion and feeling. It's not something that I'm saying is more correct than your feeling that you enjoy beautiful Thai women just as much as Ukrainian beauties.
So enjoy the beauties you found in Pattaya, and enjoy how cheap it is. I still prefer Kiev and the type of beauty to be found in Ukraine, or German FKK's.
Happy Mongering wherever your heart takes you.
LJI travel to these 2 countries but for me Ukraine girls are much better and of course more expensive but Beauty is a subjective topic!
My concern is if in Thailand I can use / connect to this ISG web site. If my memory is correct, this web is blocked in Thailand. Or maybe now is possible to use this Forum? Or maybe I had the wrong internet provider. Who can give updated information of using ISG nowadays? Thanks for information from experts located in Thailand now or with recently information there.
Global Surfer
11-07-13, 01:07
I travel to these 2 countries but for me Ukraine girls are much better and of course more expensive but Beauty is a subjective topic!
My concern is if in Thailand I can use / connect to this ISG web site. If my memory is correct, this web is blocked in Thailand. Or maybe now is possible to use this Forum? Or maybe I had the wrong internet provider. Who can give updated information of using ISG nowadays? Thanks for information from experts located in Thailand now or with recently information there.You should not have any problem accessing from Thailand. It is blocked in most countries in middle east where you can use a number of proxy servers. Try HideMyAss. Com
Shevchenko
11-08-13, 22:24
Does anyone know what happened to Maya at Rio? All I know is that she left the club. I don't know if she left the business entirely or just switched the club she works at.
I've been to Rio only once before this time and thouht she was the best and was looking forward to see her again.
Greetings my friends. Does anyone take seperate health insurance when traveling to ukraine?
What companies and websites?
What kind of prices for a week or a month?
How reliable when it comes time to pay. I hear hospitals and clinics ask for upfront payments before treating the patient?
Any info will be much beneficial to everyone on this forum.
Spasibo.
Misc
Global Surfer
11-10-13, 02:13
Greetings my friends. Does anyone take seperate health insurance when traveling to ukraine?
What companies and websites?
What kind of prices for a week or a month?
How reliable when it comes time to pay. I hear hospitals and clinics ask for upfront payments before treating the patient?
Any info will be much beneficial to everyone on this forum.
Spasibo.
MiscIs there any particular reason that you want specialist health insurance?
I think most people don't have any insurance or the standard health cover as part of the travel insurance
I'm not sure if the following info will help anybody here, but I happened to walk into a strip club called either New Century or XXI Bek New tonight, just because my apartment was right by it and I was bored.
There are at least three rooms with dancing poles, but only one of them was used even on a Saturday night, due to lack of customers, I believe. The entrance fee was H200.
There were less than 10 customers, but there were almost 10 girls as well. All of them were decent looking, but half of them were a little overweight. I thought none of them would speak English, but, to my surprise, one of them who spoke a little English suddenly came to sit with me. Her demeanor was kind of funny and sweet, as if, I would say, she was from a rural area in Ukraine.
She told me that lap dancing costs H400 for 2 songs, which is expensive in my opinion, and take out costs $300 for 2. 5 hours. What surprised me the most was that she said there were 4 rooms in the back for sex with a fee of $200 for one hour. So if you want to fuck a dancer right away, it works!
Is a backroom common in Ukraine? Not since at Kamastra in Sofia, Bulgaria, have I encountered a backroom. .
I didn't take any girls for lap dance, to a backroom or to my apartment.
Yesterday I walked into Salon Dolly in Kiev.
Vika, who used to be one of the best masseuse there and from whom I received service several times in previous years, now only works as a manager. She brought in a line up of 4 girls. What kinda pissed me off was that none of them were wearing make-up, or bothered to wear make-up, when, if they do, they could look much prettier.
I didn't take any of the girls and ended up giving Vika some lecture, saying, "Why are you running this place like this?" and "until about 4 or 5 years ago, you had much younger and prettier girls there at Salon Dolly, especially when Max, the founder from Sicily, Italy, was still running the place."
Natasha, whom I know quite well, also now works only as a manager. I'm going to have to go talk to her tomorrow when she is supposed to be in and do the same thing I did to Vika yesterday. Or I would offer her help in selecting new girls there.
I guess I'm in a writing mood tonight.
Speaking of Natahsa, or Dasha, at Dolly, she is actually one of the girls I've known the longest in Kiev. I got her service the first time when she was still 18. When I came back to Kiev a year later, I was so surprised to see her almost completely transformed or matured into a woman.
In fact I much prefer her when she was almost petit at 18 and acrobatic in bed. But I have to say it was such a pleasure to see a little girl matured into a full-figured woman.
Is there any particular reason that you want specialist health insurance?
I think most people don't have any insurance or the standard health cover as part of the travel insuranceWhere do you buy that travel insurance? From your travel agent?
Problem is how do you know it works in ukraine?
I have traveled many times to Eastern Europe but never thought of having a health insurance as I never got sick or into an accident.
But if any of us visitors fall ill or get into an accident, then what insurance works in ukraine. If you know of any?
Where do you buy that travel insurance? From your travel agent?
Problem is how do you know it works in ukraine?
I have traveled many times to Eastern Europe but never thought of having a health insurance as I never got sick or into an accident.
But if any of us visitors fall ill or get into an accident, then what insurance works in ukraine. If you know of any?
I would say any travel insurance from your home country should work. You just pay directly and get re imbursed later. If you get hospitalized, your insurance should talk to the hospital directly.
For example, I know STA Travel, which has offices in several first-world countries, offers such insurance.
I always carry a travrel insurance, as, when I go to Europe, I always travel in several different countries not just for P4P, but also for sightseeing.
I would say any travel insurance from your home country should work. You just pay directly and get re imbursed later. If you get hospitalized, your insurance should talk to the hospital directly.
For example, I know STA Travel, which has offices in several first-world countries, offers such insurance.
I always carry a travrel insurance, as, when I go to Europe, I always travel in several different countries not just for P4P, but also for sightseeing.Thank you Sorbonne. I looked at similar insurance. Mostly foreign insurance is not recognized in ukraine. Read the link from US State department below.
Here is a more comprehensive view of ukraine medical facilities (this forum will find it useful).
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1053.html#medical.
Canada also has a good site.
http://travel.gc.ca/destinations/ukraine
Medical services.
Medical facilities are limited. Shortages of basic medical supplies are common. The medical insurance policy provided by the state-owned company Ukrainmedstrakh covers all expenses for medical care and provides medical supplies in case of emergency.
Kiev Freak
11-11-13, 00:58
My mamba account has been again blocked! I just loaded 15 $ to my account, made myself VIP, changed the location to KIEV and just send 20-30 messages to girls. Profile is blocked. Why this is happened? I sent normal meeting message,"you are nice, lets meet, financial support included." etc. But blocked and wasted my $. This happened 3rd time. What is the wrong with mamba?
YellowPaul
11-11-13, 01:17
My mamba account has been again blocked! I just loaded 15 $ to my account, made myself VIP, changed the location to KIEV and just send 20-30 messages to girls. Profile is blocked. Why this is happened? I sent normal meeting message,"you are nice, lets meet, financial support included." etc. But blocked and wasted my $. This happened 3rd time. What is the wrong with mamba?This happened to me for a while back I was blocked with no explanation given. Forget about any type of customer service at least what we are accustomed to in the West.
Mamba never responded to at least 4-5 e-mails I sent them.
I was spending money with them and giving clean messages to the girls. I hardly ever go the site anymore but I noticed they finally unlocked my profile maybe a year later.
Again no explanation given. LOL
My mamba account has been again blocked! I just loaded 15 $ to my account, made myself VIP, changed the location to KIEV and just send 20-30 messages to girls. Profile is blocked. Why this is happened? I sent normal meeting message,"you are nice, lets meet, financial support included." etc. But blocked and wasted my $. This happened 3rd time. What is the wrong with mamba?Maybe leave out the phrase "financial support included" which probably pisses off regular girls who are not seeking money for sex, and may have resulted in one or more of them complaining of messages from a sex tourist (you). Also have you been writing to girls who stated an upper age limit which your own age exceeds significantly. That too can [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off girls, who may be immature and spiteful enough to complain about you. The best policy is to write an initial message that is not so clearly from a sex tourist. Include some compliments, some humor if you can, and suggest meeting. Let the girls who respond be the ones to raise money as an issue. If they are p4p girls, don't worry. They won't agree to meet you before making clear that they expect money. So just press for their telephone number and for a meeting. And they will bring up money. If they don't it means you have a date with a regular girl, which can turn into a freebie. If you don't want to waste time on dating regular girls, because time does not allow, you simply don't have to keep the date, and you can cancel it or fail to confirm it etc.
Kiev Freak
11-11-13, 09:43
But how I will say them I will give $ for sex? I kindly offering "financial support", I don't say rudely sex for money. Many girls put nude photo but nobody ban them. This happened me 3rd time. They also ate my 50 $ , before 3-4 months and never opened that account again.
I don't humiliate girls. I don't insist. Only send messages. And tell honestly what I want. My profile my age is 29 so age difference isn't a problem (my real age is also almost same).
Now I afraid to open new profile and load $ and again this will occur.
LJ, you say I shouldn't be talk about $. But you are also absoultely right that I don't want wasting of my extremely limited time with freebees for uncertain sex probability (I stay in Kiev usually 1 night or 2 night if I am lucky). So all p4p will make it clerar before meeting by asking $? If really tehy don't talk about $, this means they are not p4p, just normal freebees?
I say material support because I only want to spend time with freebess.
In my profile, I also write very open about this. Shortly in my profile says," I just look for girls for fun,romance and good times together, I dont look for something serious. Material support incldued" Of course with fancy words. But main is that.
If I have time 1 week in Kiev I believe I will do many things but time is limited my options (
But how I will say them I will give $ for sex? I kindly offering "financial support", I don't say rudely sex for money. Many girls put nude photo but nobody ban them. This happened me 3rd time. They also ate my 50 $, before 3-4 months and never opened that account again.
I don't humiliate girls. I don't insist. Only send messages. And tell honestly what I want. My profile my age is 29 so age difference isn't a problem (my real age is also almost same).
Now I afraid to open new profile and load $ and again this will occur.
LJ, you say I shouldn't be talk about $. But you are also absoultely right that I don't want wasting of my extremely limited time with freebees for uncertain sex probability (I stay in Kiev usually 1 night or 2 night if I am lucky). So all p4p will make it clerar before meeting by asking $? If really tehy don't talk about $, this means they are not p4p, just normal freebees?
I say material support because I only want to spend time with freebess.
In my profile, I also write very open about this. Shortly in my profile says," I just look for girls for fun, romance and good times together, I don't look for something serious. Material support incldued" Of course with fancy words. But main is that.
If I have time 1 week in Kiev I believe I will do many things but time is limited my options (The point I was making didn't seem to get through to you. Let me try again more bluntly. I don't know this for sure, but I am suggesting that it is possible that the reaction you are getting is related to the things you write in your messages and in your profile that clearly identify you as a "sex tourist", something which may make you a target for some of the abuses you suffered. I recognize that you are impatient to identify which girls will accept your money to allow you to fuck them. But this impatience or eagerness is possibly responsible for making you write things that make it too obvious what your purpose is in coming to Kiev. To fuck young Ukrainian girls. In your eagerness to find girls for sex, you have abandoned all discretion and you are showing all of your cards. This can make you a target for the contempt of girls who are not working in the sex trade. The website administrators are busy deleting the profiles of girls who are too obviously attempting to market sexual services for money, or hadn't you noticed all the profiles that get deleted almost as soon as they give out their phone number or state a price, or shortly thereafter.
So what I am suggesting to you is to go fishing for p4p girls, in a more discrete way. Do not write anything in your profile or in your messages that would identify you as a sex tourist, a man seeking to find girls to fuck for money. Instead present yourself as a foreign businessman, coming to Ukraine for business. In your profile there is a feature in the settings that allows you to select the statement "I am willing to become a sponsor". You may select that. But that is as far as I would go. Some would argue that even that statement is going too far, and identifies you as a sex tourist. But since it is part of the website software, I am thinking that you wouldn't get blocked for selecting it. I saw this feature in the mamba iPhone application. I have not checked whether it is also in the online version of mamba. But anyway, looking for a sponsor, or willing to become a sponsor, are code words in use in Kiev, that communicate your willingness to help in the support of a girl who will become your girlfriend.
For whatever reason, the girls do not look at "sponsorship" as prostitution. They look at it as finding a rich boyfriend. That is a fiction. It is obviously sex in return for money, especially if such girls have collected more than one man as such "sponsors". But nevertheless, it is a fiction that enables young girls to get money from older men who are wealthy in return for their affections, and to not think of themselves as engaging in prostitution.
It is a fine line and a matter of perspective. Here is the classic argument. Does not a husband provide economic support to the woman he is married to? Do they not engage in sex? But that is not considered "money for sex" or prostitution, because the woman is giving herself to only one man. The same is true of an unmarried boyfriend and girlfriend, where the boyfriend helps his girlfriend economically. There too, the girl is giving herself to only that one boyfriend. Therefore, it is able to be said that the sex is in return for love, and a result of affection. And the money and economic support too, is given as a gift out of love or friendship, and not in exchange for the sex. These relationships are recognized and hallowed by society as proper and respectable and good. But obviously, one of the prime motives of a man who marries a woman or who takes her for his girlfriend, is the desire to have sex with her. Without the "sex drive" in each of us, there would be no such relationships between the sexes. And yes, money and support are traditionally expected and given in such relationships, that are founded on sexual desire one for the other. But as human beings, we are also capable of developing additional feelings of love and affection and friendship. And so, the human relationships that are clothed with these higher level feelings, are given respectability by our society, even though at their root, the sex drive is what makes them happen and sustains these relationships. When men and women mate out of feelings of friendship and affection, we tell ourselves that it is different than how the animals in the world of nature mate. It is of course not true that animals always mate indiscriminately with just any other animal of the opposite sex. That is thought out of ignorance. Those who study animal behavior have discovered many instances of animals choosing a unique and distinct mate of the opposite sex, with whom they mate exclusively. I remember watching the amazing movie "March of the Penquins" which examined the life cycle of these interesting creatures. How poignant it was to see how they each searched and searched to find their one true mate. In any event, relationships between men and women, that are unique and that set apart one girl from all other girls, for a particular man, and are based upon feelings of friendship and affection, have respectability in society, even though there is clearly an exchange of sex, and an exchange of money, because the sex and money are not seen as being directly in exchange for each other. But rather in exchange for the love and affection and friendship shared between the couple.
Why is it different than prostitution? Because, on the other hand, a prostitute gives herself not to only one man, but rather to all men who will pay her.
But what about all those relationships that fall in between a girl who will have sex with all men in exchange for money and support, and a woman in a unique relationship with only one man, be it husband or boyfriend. There are lots of people who are not in any form of committed relationship with any single one person, but who like to have sex with many different people, simply because they enjoy sex as a recreation and entertainment. The sexually active person is capable of indiscriminate sex with many sex partners, and this too is not seen as prostitution by society. And if a man enjoys very much having sex with a girl who he finds very attractive, and gives her gifts, that too does not make it into prostitution, in the eyes of society. Why? Because the girl did not make it a condition of her having sex with the man. The moment the gift or economic support becomes a openly stated condition of her having sex with him, and she does this with more than one man, we have entered the realm of prostitution.
So in my view, the "sponsorship" idea that is prevalent in Kiev, is not necessarily prostitution, because it can certainly be part of a boyfriend and girlfriend relationship. But when a girl takes many such "sponsors" simultaneously, how then can it be differentiated from prostitution? Yet the girls in Kiev who seek sponsors do not see themselves as prostitutes. They concieve of girls with sponsors, as a different more respectable category. But it is a fine line. Anyways, it is to our advantage that such a perception exists in the society in Kiev. Because it allows us to offer sponsorship, which is a kind of continued periodic economic support to a girl, if she will be our girlfriend when we come to Kiev to visit. And no one looks at this as prostitution.
And of course, obviously until a man and a girl have reached a point where they can decide to enter a sponsorship relationship, there is a process, to see if they are compatible. The man must see if he will like the girl enough, and part of that is if she is capable of pleasing him and meets his needs. So just like any relationship it begins by dating, and seeing if the couple likes each other. And in these dates, obviously the man and the girl will be having sex, because that is a major part of the question of whether they are sexually pleasing one to the other. And since the girl needs economic support, of course, during these initial dates to see if they can be a "couple" and whether they want to enter into a sponsorship relationship, the girl must be given some support also. So an amount is agreed upon that she will receive for each of these initial dates. And the amount may be based upon the amount of time she spends with him. And the dates may be dates that involve only bedroom activities, while he is trying her out as a girlfriend for sponsorship purposes. And in all this, no one of the girls is saying to herself that this is prostitution, because it is all part of the quest for a sponsor girlfriend relationship.
But you can see how difficult it might be to draw the fine line between a series of initial dates that don't end in actual sponsorship relationships, and prostitution. These girls are walking a very fine line. Yet that is the situation I have seen in Kiev.
So saying you are willing to become a sponsor, is like saying you are willing to date a girl to see if she can become a girlfriend in a long term relationship with you, that includes her being your girlfriend sexually, and you giving her periodic support, and it is understood that there is always a "try out" period in the beginning of each such relationship, where you and the girl will have sex, and you will also give her some money. But, the way they are looking at it in Kiev, this language does not mean you are looking for prostitution, since the girls looking for a sponsor do not see themselves as offering prostitution services.
So try being much more discreet in what you write. Maybe use the accepted "language" of willing to become a sponsor, as your code word for this instead of simply saying you are offering money or financial help so openly. Maybe it will make a difference, although I cannot guarantee it. I told you, those girls who want money will tell you. They have to tell you. Otherwise they can't get the money they want. So let them tell you. You don't have to be the one to tell them.
Kiev Freak
11-11-13, 14:12
I also lost my favoritess (
Kiev Freak
11-11-13, 15:09
I hate the damned mamba. How I will meet with girls if I don't send message? Even facebook is not so strict. This is a ripoff! I lost many contacts who I worked for 2 weeks. I sent emails to support team but no answer. I hate this situation. Options are already limited by mamba and 3-4 night clubs and several strip clubs in Kiev. Now I lost the mamba edge with many contacts. Damage is big
I hate the damned mamba. How I will meet with girls if I don't send message? Even facebook is not so strict. This is a ripoff! I lost many contacts who I worked for 2 weeks. I sent emails to support team but no answer. I hate this situation. Options are already limited by mamba and 3-4 night clubs and several strip clubs in Kiev. Now I lost the mamba edge with many contacts. Damage is bigHello Kiev Freak.
It seems that all the money you have already spent on Mamba is sunk. It is time to cut your losses. If your time is short, then head straight for the strip clubs or Vodka Bar and try to pick somebody up from there. Sometimes you can just get lucky in other areas, just by being yourself. You may be able to meet somebody the old fashioned way. It was so much easier back in the days of River Palace.
Best of luck. Let us know how it works out.
FiddyCent
I hate the damned mamba. How I will meet with girls if I don't send message? Even facebook is not so strict. This is a ripoff! I lost many contacts who I worked for 2 weeks. I sent emails to support team but no answer. I hate this situation. Options are already limited by mamba and 3-4 night clubs and several strip clubs in Kiev. Now I lost the mamba edge with many contacts. Damage is bigIf you are 29, you should have no problem finding a college age girl at Vodka Bar. I'm 45, and I had girls passing me phone numbers on heart shaped pieces of paper without any solicitation. Girl boyfriends tried to signal me with their eyes. Bring a pack of cigarettes, and point to the outside of the bar for a chat. For me, it had to be discreet because of my age in there, but probably not necessary for you.
I hate the damned mamba. How I will meet with girls if I don't send message? Even facebook is not so strict. This is a ripoff! I lost many contacts who I worked for 2 weeks. I sent emails to support team but no answer. I hate this situation. Options are already limited by mamba and 3-4 night clubs and several strip clubs in Kiev. Now I lost the mamba edge with many contacts. Damage is bigBad luck. I always try to get skype details or phone nr and use whatsup. This helps me to feel them out better and not to metion perfect for semi pros. Since once in a while they will write,"things not good, little money".
Kiev Freak
11-12-13, 08:39
I believe that going to Kiev without doing homework in mamba is a very big risk because you can stay alone in daytime. Mamba blocked my ip address also. But activated my account again. I will never understand them.
Kiev Freak
11-12-13, 10:36
Now again chasing in mamba, but my first message I dotn talk about financial support. This make all good I hope. I also copied my contacts and also opened 2 fake mamba account as back up. I am doing my best to dig mamba.
TexasMorrell
11-12-13, 15:02
Now again chasing in mamba, but my first message I dotn talk about financial support. This make all good I hope. I also copied my contacts and also opened 2 fake mamba account as back up. I am doing my best to dig mamba.KV,
I think you are making this more difficult then it has to be. I have a very long list of Mamba girls and I found them with one simple phrase.
"$75 for 1 hour?" or "$ 75 &1079; &1072; 1 &1095; &1072; &1089;?"
That is all you need to say, nothing else. If she is interested she will message you back and say ok or no she wants $100.
Worst case you get a "fuck you" or you get no reply at all. Who cares?
And all my girls are semi-pro college girls with verified photos and email or Skype or phone numbers. I tell them to email me this stuff to verify they are real. If they do not it means you are looking at a fake salon profile and you do not know what you are going to get.
Kiev Freak
11-12-13, 17:14
I usually used kievinn so far but it is extremely expensive now and I decided to use another. But most flats don't have a safe box. How and where you keep your money when you have company? I always used safe box flats now suprisingly I couldn't find a flat with safe box easily.
Kiev Freak
11-12-13, 22:01
KV I think you are making this more difficult then it has to be. I have a very long list of Mamba girls and I found them with one simple phrase.
"$75 for 1 hour?" or "$ 75 &1079; &1072; 1 &1095; &1072; &1089;?"
That is all you need to say, nothing else. If she is interested she will message you back and say ok or no she wants $100.
Worst case you get a "fuck you" or you get no reply at all. Who cares?
And all my girls are semi-pro college girls with verified photos and email or Skype or phone numbers. I tell them to email me this stuff to verify they are real. If they do not it means you are looking at a fake salon profile and you do not know what you are going to get.
When I ask directly by your way, mamba blocked my account. This is happening me 3rd time. so I am making it very careful. Because I don't want to blocked again.
When you look for girls, you choose "i want to find a sponsor" ?
I usually used kievinn so far but it is extremely expensive now and I decided to use another. But most flats don't have a safe box. How and where you keep your money when you have company? I always used safe box flats now suprisingly I couldn't find a flat with safe box easily.Safety of money whike visitors are in your apartment is one reason why I do not keep a lot of cash in my possession at my apartment. I withdraw funds from an ATM each day, or just before going somewhere that might entail significant expense, like a nightclub or strip club. I withdraw only what I think will be sufficient for what I might want to do that evening. For example, if I am going out to a supermarket for shopping, I won't be carrying more than $100 or $200 in grivna because I don't anticipate spending anywhere near that much at the supermarket, and I can also use a credit card to pay also. Or for example, I am going out to Rio strip club having in mind that I might take out a girl from there which costs $300 for 3 hours, and $400 for an all night date (at least that was the max until recently). So just before going to Rio I will take out from the ATM the equivalent of about $500, as I don't believe it could cost me more than that for everything, including entrance fee, drinks, private dances and take out fee, and taxi to my apartment. Now when I am going to have a girl come into my apartment, since I can't always be looking and watching her, I take all my cash that is excess of her fee, and I lock it into my suitcase with a combination travel lock. I leave in my pants pocket only the agreed amount of her fee, plus a little extra in case she asks for taxi money. And I try to keep an eye on things as best I can. I have never had a loss, with these simple security precautions.
I believe that going to Kiev without doing homework in mamba is a very big risk because you can stay alone in daytime. Mamba blocked my ip address also. But activated my account again. I will never understand them.I think you are right about the importance of mamba for mongering in Kiev, as all the most seasoned veterans have written that it is one of the best ways to meet a lot of girls in Kiev willing to date you, either for p4p, or for regular dates. However, it is an exaggeration to say that you must remain alone during the daytime if you don't have a good list of contacts from mamba girls. Although not as good for semi-pro type girls, there are many listings of escort girls on the Internet escort websites that you can call during the day. Also there are the girl apartments / brothels you can go to with an English speaking taxi driver (if you can find one) who knows where they are located and is willing to help you with translation and security for a fee or tip. So I don't think you would necessarily be alone, as there are these other agency outcall options. But mamba is very useful for finding independent p4p escort girls, and semi-pro type girls looking for a little sponsorship.
TexasMorrell
11-13-13, 02:10
When I ask directly by your way, mamba blocked my account. This is happening me 3rd time. So I am making it very careful. Because I don't want to blocked again.
When you look for girls, you choose "I want to find a sponsor"?Well they have not blocked my account. Yes I look for the sponsor quote but its not necessary. If it is a 20 year old and she is willing to date a guy all the way to 60 years old that is a good sign she is working. Mainly if I like her photos I message her. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Kiev Freak
11-13-13, 14:45
Some girls have very normal profile anything emphasise p4p but theyare semi pro. I mean they don't write look for sex or sponsor. Photos are normal. Look for age e. G. 20-35. All normal. But she is semi. There are many profile likes this. So if we narrow search by choosing " look for sponsor" or "sex" option, we lose many semi pro profiles as well. So I contact with girls normally, but semipros will ultimately ask you "what I will get from this".
i found this travel box for safety
Kiev Freak
11-13-13, 16:27
Hi fellas.
I got many numbers from mamba but I am confused because only very few girls talked about money. Others talk about to meet in cafe and I think they are normal girls. I want to invite girls directly to my apartment. Because only 2 days I will stay in Kiev and if I meet them in cafe it consumes too much time to see which one is p4p and which is not.
Summary of why message in mamba "you are very beautiful. We can meet and spend time together? I am a very generous man" Of course, in Russian. I afraid to talk more open about $ because mamba blocks me. I got maybe 50 numbers in few days. But only 6-7 of them accepted p4p. Others didn't. This ratio is good? I am digging hard into mamba. But finding p4p is not easy really? When I choose "looking for sponsor" option , only few online girls appears. Others seems like offline for weeks or even months. So I make un-selected "looking for sponsor" and "sex" options.
What is your ways to find semi pros easier? Directly ask really 100 $/h? Mamba don't block you?
Hi. The website of ambrasura.
http://my-relax.net/salon/ambrazura/out_paid/
You have to call them and they give you address. They on top modals too if you serching in price of 800 grivnas. The plaice is in dead end road nearly zhitomiska staition, and picture of girls done in actually same building.Has anybody tried this Ambrazura? I just called them but she didn't speak English.
I'm wondering if Sersem2007 is an agent there, as he posted only twice, both about Ambrazura.
I'm listening to some of you guys here and decided to give a try to top-modal. Com during daytime.
I don't think I have time for mamba so am going just with top-modals. Does mamba present any better chance than top-modals?
But so far I only called three agencies. Two yesterday and one today.
As liljoy suggested, I'm asking agents to send me three young and pretty girls at once, but so far all of them sent me only 2 girls each time. I guess its difficult for agents to gather three girls quickly.
So I've seen six girls so far and sent them all back. I'm waiting for two more girls right now. I have not given up just yet.
They usually come within one hour, so theoretically I can call like four agencies in one afternoon which I should really start doing. And have meals and run erands while waiting.
I usually give them H100 for taxi when I send them back. Should I do this or not?
Kiev Freak
11-13-13, 18:17
Hi Sorbonne, usually taxi fare is 50 uah. None of 6 girls doable? IMO you shouldn't be so selective. If they young, looks clean, not so fat, just do it. And order another. Better than nothing!
I usually give them H100 for taxi when I send them back. Should I do this or not?One notable difference between this year and last on Mamba and Top Models was the agencies always tried to set a taxi charge before sending a girl. H100 was always agreed upon but they would start at some ridiculous amount like H300. After a few trolls and the loss of H300, I just gave up. I took any mention of taxi fee as a tell the agency had something I would probably reject.
I know this is against the spirit of the forum, but Kiev is changing fast. The nightclubs are drawing a younger weekend crowd from Western Europe and pushing out the older mongers. Other destinations have become more enticing for Ukraines prostitutes.
One notable difference between this year and last on Mamba and Top Models was the agencies always tried to set a taxi charge before sending a girl. H100 was always agreed upon but they would start at some ridiculous amount like H300. After a few trolls and the loss of H300, I just gave up. I took any mention of taxi fee as a tell the agency had something I would probably reject.
I know this is against the spirit of the forum, but Kiev is changing fast. The nightclubs are drawing a younger weekend crowd from Western Europe and pushing out the older mongers. Other destinations have become more enticing for Ukraines prostitutes.That is exacly what happened in Baltic States many years ago, Ukraine is just next in line. Flights are cheaper and young foreigners opened theyre eyes for Kiev.
John Corey
11-13-13, 20:25
That is exacly what happened in Baltic States many years ago, Ukraine is just next in line. Flights are cheaper and young foreigners opened theyre eyes for Kiev.I have little experince as far as Kiev goes but as I am planning my second trip in the next two weeks I am finding so much attitude on mamba and such outrageous demands that I.
Have decided to bag the trip. Who needs the stress when you are paying good money. There is always Prague and the FKK's. I guess you are right times are changing.
Hi Sorbonne, usually taxi fare is 50 uah. None of 6 girls doable? IMO you shouldn't be so selective. If they young, looks clean, not so fat, just do it. And order another. Better than nothing!Well, H50 one way, so H100 both ways?
The first six girls were not young, didn't look clean and were fat.
One notable difference between this year and last on Mamba and Top Models was the agencies always tried to set a taxi charge before sending a girl. H100 was always agreed upon but they would start at some ridiculous amount like H300. After a few trolls and the loss of H300, I just gave up. I took any mention of taxi fee as a tell the agency had something I would probably reject.
I know this is against the spirit of the forum, but Kiev is changing fast. The nightclubs are drawing a younger weekend crowd from Western Europe and pushing out the older mongers. Other destinations have become more enticing for Ukraines prostitutes.Hey Climax, which Ukrainian destinaions have become more enticing, please?
OK, so lo and behold, the forth agency sent me who appeared to be a mother and her daughter.
Of course I sent the mother home (or maybe she was waiting outside?).
The young girl was so petit that she didn't even look old enough to be a student. She said she was 18. To be sure, she was cute, but was certainly not like a model type.
She barely spoke English so after the one hour for $100 I negotiated with her agent, I sent her back. But her agents phone number will not disappear from my address book for a while.
Later I called her agent and asked her how much it would be for two hours. She said $150.
You know, I would love it if it is like $100 for 2 hours. I mean after all its $100 an hour even at Rio, right?
Is it posible to nagotiate the price with agents? Well, I will try the next time.
If I get one pretty thing like her every 8 girls who come around, I'd say Kiev is not to be given up just yet!
Hey Climax, which Ukrainian destinaions have become more enticing, please?I did not mean destinations in Ukraine. I meant throughout the world. Cute blonds, not super model, can make five times the money as models in a Chinese city compared to Kiev.
[QUOTE=John Corey; 1495990]I have little experince as far as Kiev goes but as I am planning my second trip in the next two weeks I am finding so much attitude on mamba and such outrageous demands that I.
Have decided to bag the trip. Who needs the stress when you are paying good money. There is always Prague and the FKK's. I guess you are right times are changing.
Prague is a great choice. Its cheaper then Kiev if we talking of hotels, eating at restaurants and flights. Darling and K5 always have something nice to offer. Only thing I miss in Prague is a lack of GFE. But heyy you still find your self in probably the most pretty city of Europe.
Going next moth to Berlin with work, will not miss out on visiting FKK. Will be my first time in such surroundings, looking forward to that.
If I get one pretty thing like her every 8 girls who come around, I'd say Kiev is not to be given up just yet!A lot of possibilities still exist in Kiev, but mostly for frequent travelers. It can be tough if you come a week and start from scratch.
Kiev Freak
11-13-13, 22:10
Climax, I completely agreed what you wrote. I am Turkey Citizenship and travel to EU ver hard because of VISA. My only opton is ST piter and Kiev. Russia harder than Ukraine I believe. In Kiev only thinng you can to find a nice semipro, catch a GFE, bring your home, live 1 year. After 1 year, repeat this.
John Corey
11-14-13, 00:18
Climax, I completely agreed what you wrote. I am Turkey Citizenship and travel to EU ver hard because of VISA. My only opton is ST piter and Kiev. Russia harder than Ukraine I believe. In Kiev only thinng you can to find a nice semipro, catch a GFE, bring your home, live 1 year. After 1 year, repeat this.That was my biggest attraction going to Kiev- the GFE factor. I guess maybe, I should start with Prague and head to Kiev for a couple of days and circle back in December around.
Tradional Christmas. Maybe, the girs would be a little flexible as everyone needs money for Christmas and Orthodox Christmas this year is January 7th. Any suggestions on that
Timing.
HeartMuscle
11-14-13, 00:39
excellent posting and a fine guide.
thank you
dear angus,
these are all good questions, which have been discussed before in my previous posts, and the posts of others. in light of the new cadre of newbies posting on this thread who are apparently planning kiev trips this year, let me say to you all that you will only gain a lot if you invest the time to read the last 2 years or so of posts, and being lazy in this respect is going to cost you in the end. having said that, i think i will respond to you at length, angus, as my comments are directed towards all newbies contemplating a kiev trip. dear veterans i beg your patience as you will probably learn nothing new here. it's all back in the thread in this forum. but which newbie bothers to read the fucking thread and all the stuff we wrote before anyways. lol.
mamba. ru should be your first line of attack:
apparently, angus, your own thinking cap has produced the method, which also was hit on by others before you, of how to best confront the fake picture problem of kiev internet girls. yes, absolutely, and of course, the best way to find hotties on mamba or other internet sites is to search through as many of the girls as possible, within the shortest time frame possible, to see what they look like, so you can choose the hottest and best of them to be with.
the way to do this is to "speed date" as many of them as time allows, in a public place, and schedule follow up meetings with those you like.
i wrote about this many times previously, and took to calling it the "hunter dave" method, because it was first recommended to me by this senior member when we met once for a drink at the "beer house" in arena city, although i'm sure others have used the same method before us.
hunter dave advised to use several different cafe's or bars or restaurants in near proximity in the downtown area, and to schedule short meetings because of your "very busy business schedule", and when the time came for the next "speed date", to simply make your excuses that you need to get to another meeting and hurry off to meet the next girl at the next location..
John Corey
11-14-13, 01:07
[QUOTE=John Corey; 1495990]I have little experince as far as Kiev goes but as I am planning my second trip in the next two weeks I am finding so much attitude on mamba and such outrageous demands that I.
Have decided to bag the trip. Who needs the stress when you are paying good money. There is always Prague and the FKK's. I guess you are right times are changing.
Prague is a great choice. Its cheaper then Kiev if we talking of hotels, eating at restaurants and flights. Darling and K5 always have something nice to offer. Only thing I miss in Prague is a lack of GFE. But heyy you still find your self in probably the most pretty city of Europe.
Going next moth to Berlin with work, will not miss out on visiting FKK. Will be my first time in such surroundings, looking forward to that.Yes, Prague is a great city and I knowmy way around. Thank you for suggeting K5 and Darlings. When you are in Berlin aside from FKK Artemis do not forget to check out some of the brothels like Royal, Kamilla Dee and the like. I have always had great experiences at Royal and the premises are clean. Happy hunting!
Hey guys,
Anybody want to meet in Kiev for coffee and maybe later to check some clubs. Please let me know.
I'm listening to some of you guys here and decided to give a try to top-modal. Com during daytime.
I don't think I have time for mamba so am going just with top-modals. Does mamba present any better chance than top-modals?
But so far I only called three agencies. Two yesterday and one today.
As liljoy suggested, I'm asking agents to send me three young and pretty girls at once, but so far all of them sent me only 2 girls each time. I guess its difficult for agents to gather three girls quickly.
So I've seen six girls so far and sent them all back. I'm waiting for two more girls right now. I have not given up just yet.
They usually come within one hour, so theoretically I can call like four agencies in one afternoon which I should really start doing. And have meals and run erands while waiting.
I usually give them H100 for taxi when I send them back. Should I do this or not?Why do you say you do not have time for mamba? It is the best way to get to independent girls and to semi-pro girls, for p4p. And also for regular dating, although that might not be your interest. The escort agencies are sending escorts, not semi-pro studenkas. It's a different type of girl that is possible to meet on mamba. Although there are plenty of escort pro girls on mamba too. In the several weeks before a trip, one should do their mamba homework every day. Do it while sitting on the toilet if you have no other time to "waste" on it. But do it. Build up a contacts list of girls that you have their telephone numbers, and please, as soon as a girl finally gives her number and agrees to meet you, copy all her pics, name, phone number, prices and other info into a Word document, so you will have it, even if her profile is deleted, and even if your profile is deleted or blocked. And also move her messages into a separate trip folder that you can create in the messages area, or into your Favorites folder, because if you leave her messages icon in your General Folder, it will soon be buried under hundreds of other messages you sent out, most of which never get answered, and you won't be able to easily find and differentiate which girls gave you their phone numbers.
If you are sadly already in Kiev, having not bothered to prepare any mamba contacts, you can still send out a message to as many girls as you can, stating that you are in Kiev now, and you're available for a meeting, and if the girl would like to meet, can she meet you that day or the next. You may get some responses and be in business. And if you get nothing good from all this daytime mongering efforts, you can always pay a little more in the evenings at the strip club or night club for a real hottie that you can see before you invite her home.
I had a sudden trip to Kiev come up for business and it was also going ot be a very short one of a couple of days. Since it was my first trip, and with little spare time due to business meetings through dinner, I was resigned to the trip being a bust from mongering perspective. I looked at some of the websites like top-modals and other escort sites and was hoping to call on their services. But thanks to LilJoey and KievFreak who encouraged me to not give up on mamba even with little time left. I am glad I took their advice. I registered and got myself VIP status for 10 days and started searching and messaging a lot of the women that I liked along the lines of asking them vaguely what conditions they had for meeting up with me. I was happy that even in just 48 hours time I managed to get abut 10 responses. Once I was in Kiev, I tried top-modals and struck out as some f them who claimed to know English did not and ones that said they would do outcall did not want to etc. However, when I tried some of the mamba contacts one of them was up for it and came to my hotel. While she was a bit older and not exactly the body type I would have preferred, she was still quite pretty. But I have to say the service was completely over the top. We drank whiskey, flirted, made out, she gave me great sloppy BBBJs with some gagging thrown in and without even asking swallowed every last drop! On top of that she was up for all positions and took anal like a champ. I never had such a GFE or in fact PSE session except for a few in Bangkok =) All it cost me was $100 for a good 2-3 hours of fun. Unfortunately she did not want me to give out her profile, so I will have to respect that. But the reason for me to write this is to encourage other newbies that while mamba takes some effort, it can certainly be tamed and some good times can be had. I am sure I had some beginner's luck but I get the feeling that there are enough cuties available for even non-Russian speaking blokes to have great fun with relatively inexpensively with attractive Russian ladies.
Good luck.
[QUOTE=John Corey; 1495990]I have little experince as far as Kiev goes but as I am planning my second trip in the next two weeks I am finding so much attitude on mamba and such outrageous demands that I.
Have decided to bag the trip. Who needs the stress when you are paying good money. There is always Prague and the FKK's. I guess you are right times are changing.
Prague is a great choice. Its cheaper then Kiev if we talking of hotels, eating at restaurants and flights. Darling and K5 always have something nice to offer. Only thing I miss in Prague is a lack of GFE. But heyy you still find your self in probably the most pretty city of Europe.
Going next moth to Berlin with work, will not miss out on visiting FKK. Will be my first time in such surroundings, looking forward to that.
[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1496012]Yes, Prague is a great city and I knowmy way around. Thank you for suggeting K5 and Darlings. When you are in Berlin aside from FKK Artemis do not forget to check out some of the brothels like Royal, Kamilla Dee and the like. I have always had great experiences at Royal and the premises are clean. Happy hunting!Guys, how one can mention K5 and Darlings in Prague, and the Prague scene in general, in the same breath with FKK's and what is possible there, I cannot understand. Everything is covered at Darlings, no BBBJ possible. And I will never forget how I sat with a manager at k5 looking at HHS entire line up, struggling to find even one girl who would allow DATY and an uncovered BJ. And although GFE might be possible in some of the many "privats" (girl apartments) that truly abound all over Prague, it is a taxing project of investigation requiring a lot of leg work to find a privat that has a very good looking girl who provides a good GFE service, and things keep changing. And the only way I found spectacular looking GFE girls in Prague was to use the high end Internet escort outcall agencies which typically require a multiple hour booking for several hundred Euro each time. So IMHO Prague is a high cost venue if you're looking for model types (8's and above) providing GFE. By comparison, in the FKK's the services are standard GFE services and there is no question about things like BBBJ and DATY being available for a 50 euro session fee for 30 minutes. It's too different worlds. After discovering the FKK's, I never went back to Prague. No need to. I already had seen the pretty tourist sights.
Likewise, I'm sure you are aware that Kiev also has a low cost escort scene where you order an outcall escort from an agency, no "attitude" involved, and she comes for a stated rather low price and fucks you. The unknown here is what she looks like, and what her services might be. So it is hit or miss. In this aspect it is like running all over town in Prague to various privats trying to find one that has a pretty enough girl, and then if she will provide GFE services. There is investigation work involved, but no attitude.
Mamba is a social website. It is not an escort agency website, although there are profiles being posted on the website by escort agencies. So on mamba, you are fishing in the real world, just as if you were propositioning various different girls in a nightclub, only you can't see what they look like. Since it is not an agency or a sex club with an advertised price, the individual girls are free to say whatever they want, and ask for and negotiate however they want. And if you proposition a regular girl for prostitution anywhere in the world, you are likely to get some "attitude". If you don't want to speak to a real individual girl and negotiate a price with her, because you consider that experience to subject you to "attitude", then simply order up a girl from an actual escort agency which advertises a stated low price for sex.
But then you will miss what I see as an opportunity to meet a semi-pro real individual girl on a social website like mamba, and instead will be limited to what girl escorts are sent by the agency.
The attitude you experience on mamba when communicating with real girls, is because they are real, and have a pulse, as well as some attitude, and can't simply be ordered off a menu, like a silent piece of meat for your dining pleasure. For me, that's part of the charm of this process, getting with such a real girl, and finding out when I finally see her for the first time, that she has a tight, curvy, really sexy body, and nice face, and then my thoughts start churning with excitement, knowing that in a short while, I will be taking this little girl apart and have her on my bed screaming from pleasure of an effective DATY, and then more fun as she reciprocates to me__lol.
In the beginning of my Kiev explorations I could not get good enough looking girls off the low priced (600 UAH or 800 UAH) escort websites, I turned to River Palace in the old days before the end of 2010, where the prices possible for something good was about $200 for 2 hours, or sometimes for very beautiful girls, $300; and afterwards in 2011, I turned to the strip clubs which offered girls for take out who were hot enough for my purposes, and the prices for very beautiful girls were $300 for 3 hours, or in the nightclubs, $300 for 2 hours for a very hot girl. These prices were not cheap. But they were cheaper than the high end escort agencies in Prague for similar quality girls. And in Kiev, I liked the aspect of real interaction with the girls at a nightclub or strip club, before choosing which to take, much more than ordering a girl from photos on a website. At the strip club I would get a private dance and be able to feel up the girl, kiss her breasts, touch her pussy, and she would touch my dick and excite me, and then with all that fun having been had with her, I could then take her home for sex. That's great. Much better than ordering an escort. And therefore, Kiev replaced Prague as a mongering destination for me. The bottom line is that in Kiev you can get to very beautiful p4p girls for a bit less than the high end agencies in Prague cost. But both Prague and Kiev have different types of sex possibilities. What Kiev has, that Prague does not have, is a nightclub scene where you can pick up p4p pro girls and semi-pro girls, or a strip club take out scene where you can bring a beautiful dancer home for a few hours of sex. The strip clubs in Prague do not offer what is possible in Kiev's strip clubs. However, Kiev has no sex clubs where you can go have sex, like K5 in Prague. But since getting GFE services was so difficult in K5, not having such a place in Kiev, was a deficiency more than made up for by the incredible possibilities of the River Palace, and in the strip clubs in Kiev that offered take out.
So I have selected Kiev as my favored mongering destination, with the FKK's in Germany and Austria as an alternate. I mix it up between the two. But now that I can have a gorgeous semi-pro girl I found on mamba, come to my apartment from another city and stay over, and we can have a sexathon for two days, and she is happy with a $400 gift, there is no way I can get such value anywhere else but Kiev. That's your goal boys. The full day / night 24 hour date for $300 or less with a beautiful girl. It's possible to find in Kiev, if you can put up with a little "attitude" from the EE female mentality.
Kiev Freak
11-14-13, 16:42
Lj, you are really encouraged me again for Kiev. Next week I am there. My 3. rd mamba profile is also blocked but I have back up mamba profile and already collected 50 numbers. I believe 40 of them is fake photos but I have at least 6-7 real girls according our conversations over whatapp. I will also visit avalon and vodka bar as well. My home to Kiev only 2 hours. In fact I was planning to fly Thailand again but 15 hours trip too much for 3 days holiday.
Liljoey: "Kiev has no sex clubs where you can go have sex, like K5 in Prague."
As I said several days ago, Kiev does seem to have sex clubs. This strip club New Century supposedly has four backrooms for sex.
I forgot about K5, but not since Kamasutra in Sofia and K5 in Prague had I encountered backrooms until I went to this club in Kiev.
I have never visited FFK, and next moth I will have a chance to do so like I wrote. To what I really looking forward. I was in Prague several years ago and it is what it is. Darling was full of great looking girls, where GFE was non existant (like I wrote). K5 sended several good looking blonds to my hotel rom and again same story here.
Now Kiev is my favorite playground, I don't want to sound cocky but I don't have problems whats so ever finding semipro girls or "normal girls" in Kiev. The reason it is so, is because I qualify. Yes the most imortant aspect in Kiev is to "qualify"
I choose to buy sex because I like doing that from time to time. Its hassel free and i am not Brad Pitt to take smoking hot girls home every night.
Guys, how one can mention K5 and Darlings in Prague, and the Prague scene in general, in the same breath with FKK's and what is possible there, I cannot understand. Everything is covered at Darlings, no BBBJ possible. And I will never forget how I sat with a manager at k5 looking at HHS entire line up, struggling to find even one girl who would allow DATY and an uncovered BJ. And although GFE might be possible in some of the many "privats" (girl apartments) that truly abound all over Prague, it is a taxing project of investigation requiring a lot of leg work to find a privat that has a very good looking girl who provides a good GFE service, and things keep changing. And the only way I found spectacular looking GFE girls in Prague was to use the high end Internet escort outcall agencies which typically require a multiple hour booking for several hundred Euro each time. So IMHO Prague is a high cost venue if you're looking for model types (8's and above) providing GFE. By comparison, in the FKK's the services are standard GFE services and there is no question about things like BBBJ and DATY being available for a 50 euro session fee for 30 minutes. It's too different worlds. After discovering the FKK's, I never went back to Prague. No need to. I already had seen the pretty tourist sights.
Hey, What's with your all this pussy licking? Aren't you afraid of catching something? You really like to service the girls you paid. LOL
If girls give you BBBJ and do not want DATY, it should be fine. You should be receiving BBBJ and cum in their mouths or faces. IMHO. Be serviced and be not the other way around.
Why do you say you do not have time for mamba? It is the best way to get to independent girls and to semi-pro girls, for p4p. And also for regular dating, although that might not be your interest. The escort agencies are sending escorts, not semi-pro studenkas. It's a different type of girl that is possible to meet on mamba. Although there are plenty of escort pro girls on mamba too. In the several weeks before a trip, one should do their mamba homework every day. Do it while sitting on the toilet if you have no other time to "waste" on it. But do it. Build up a contacts list of girls that you have their telephone numbers, and please, as soon as a girl finally gives her number and agrees to meet you, copy all her pics, name, phone number, prices and other info into a Word document, so you will have it, even if her profile is deleted, and even if your profile is deleted or blocked. And also move her messages into a separate trip folder that you can create in the messages area, or into your Favorites folder, because if you leave her messages icon in your General Folder, it will soon be buried under hundreds of other messages you sent out, most of which never get answered, and you won't be able to easily find and differentiate which girls gave you their phone numbers.
If you are sadly already in Kiev, having not bothered to prepare any mamba contacts, you can still send out a message to as many girls as you can, stating that you are in Kiev now, and you're available for a meeting, and if the girl would like to meet, can she meet you that day or the next. You may get some responses and be in business. And if you get nothing good from all this daytime mongering efforts, you can always pay a little more in the evenings at the strip club or night club for a real hottie that you can see before you invite her home."Do it while sitting on the toilet if you have no other time to "waste" on it."
This is a good one, Howard.
Jeeze.
I've used mamba and topmodal for p4p before, and at that time I didn't really notice the difference between the two before I gave them up due to their practice of bait and switch. Then upon your more recent advice to keep meeting with the girls from the two until good ones show up, I decided to give it a try once again. In the past several weeks you kept mentioning the two without differentiating them, I think.
Besides, I traveled in other European countries for 3 weeks before getting to Kiev this time, so it wasnt possible to work on mamba during the weeks leading up to my arrival in Kiev.
But the main reason I didn't bother with mamba this time was because I thought I'd be spending most of my time in Kiev with two girls I had already known. But one of them suddenly disappeared, thereby freeing me up for a little more time to explore.
Still I'm spending half of my time here with this girl I went to Maldives with two summers ago. This is a regular girl from mamba.
hey, what's with your all this pussy licking? aren't you afraid of catching something? you really like to service the girls you paid. lol.
if girls give you bbbj and do not want daty, it should be fine. you should be receiving bbbj and cum in their mouths or faces. imho. be serviced and be not the other way around.my friend, there is no turn-on quite like licking the pussy of a really beautiful girl and seeing your efforts make her body shake in exquisite orgasm. with a new girl that does not know you, there is nothing that "breaks the ice" better than a good daty which creates a positive sexual connection for the girl toward you. if she feels nothing toward you, then you will receive a mechanical blow job with no feeling in it. if a girl does not have her sexual feelings aroused when she goes down on you, it is likely that the blow job you receive will be the rush job type she gives to a stranger, and you might as well put your penis into one of those latex or rubber sex toys. i want a girl who blows me to like me. and doing daty well, gets a girl connected to you sexually, even though she just met you, and it removes the nervousness some girls feel with a new man. but this is all a secondary benefit, and not the main reason i like to do daty.
your head is wired totally differently from mine in this topic, probably a result of the culture in which you grew up. and i know there are guys out there who don't like the idea of kissing a girl's pussy, which they think of as a smelly and unclean thing. and there are women who are nauseated by the idea of putting a man's penis into their mouth, and the men they are married to can go their whole married life with such women and never get a blow job from her. mostly these are people from our parents' generation, or people from countries where the old-fashioned ways are more entrenched. but in most western countries, there came a point in time when a big hairy bush was no longer the way women kept their pussy's. instead a concept of real grooming came into vogue, and the "brazilian waxing" of the female genitalia became widespread. today no young girl goes with a hairy, smelly pussy. they are all intensely aware of good hygeine, and grooming of their pubic area, and their pussies are completely or mostly shaved and clean and ready for today's kind of oral sex, at the first opportunity, starting from the very beginning of their sexual lives. it is different times we mongers live in, than our fathers did.
get this through your head if you can understand it despite your cultural biases. i don't do the daty primarily to "service" the girl, as you put it. instead, my primary reason for liking to do it, is that it gives me a lot of enjoyment to play with a young girl's body in that way, and cause a shuddering orgasm with merely my kisses, or the "fiddling" of my tongue. i use my tongue to "play" her clitoris, as a virtuoso violinist plays his instrument, and her moans and cries of pleasure and extacy are music to my ears, and turn me on very much. i do it primarily for me, because i enjoy doung it, and my motive or inspiration to do it is not merely to service her.
in a similar fashion, i get nothing from squirting my cum on a girl's face, because to me it is an act that is completely demeaning of a woman. and i have sex with woman because i live women. not because i wish to degrade or demean women. this act of coming on a girl's face is the norm in the porno industry, and perhaps you watch a lot of porn and were influenced in this way. or perhaps you get a sexual charge out of demeaning or degrading a girl, by squirting cum all over her face. maybe it comes from an instinct like a dog peeing on his favorite tree, to mark it as his place. i don't know where the source of the pleasure you get in this comes from, and i am just guessing at the roots of it. it doesn't give me pleasure, so it's hard for me to get into your head on this topic. but there are also men who are [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127) and sadists and they get a sexual excitement from hurting a woman. for me, hurting a woman is a turn off, not a turn on. i am wired differently than a man who is a sadist or a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) who gets sexual pleasure out of causing pain to another. different people are wired differently in terms of what gives them sexual gratifications. that is all i'm trying to open up your mind to.
I realize that the real problem was the fact that I had not been reading this forum continuously in the past few years.
I went to Mandarin tonght.
Being there for the first time, I couldn't tell if the quality of the girls were exactly the same as at Rio. Maybe less numbers of dancers?
In any case there are numbers of 8s and some 9s here or at Rio, but for the first time ever, OMG, I saw a 10, a stunningly beautiful girl named Vika.
Unfortunately but understandably, she was already sitting with other customers while not dancing, but does anybody know if she goes out with customers?
Or has anybody here done with her?
Liljoey: "Kiev has no sex clubs where you can go have sex, like K5 in Prague."
As I said several days ago, Kiev does seem to have sex clubs. This strip club New Century supposedly has four backrooms for sex.
I forgot about K5, but not since Kamasutra in Sofia and K5 in Prague had I encountered backrooms until I went to this club in Kiev.Yes that was a good post. Useful information. I will try to check that place out next time I am in Kiev. But it was a very pricey option as you stated. Still not absolutely out of consideration if the girl is spectacular, and she will give some good service, such as natural mutual oral sex (DATY and BBBJ) and kissing. If it's all covered and no kissing, I think the price is way too high for Kiev, and it would be a hard sell to me, since I know that I can get completely natural girlfriend sex with semi-pro type girls in Kiev who are 8's. At those prices the services of a high end escort are generally GFE.
"do it while sitting on the toilet if you have no other time to "waste" on it."
this is a good one, howard.
jeeze.
i've used mamba and topmodal for p4p before, and at that time i didn't really notice the difference between the two before i gave them up due to their practice of bait and switch. then upon your more recent advice to keep meeting with the girls from the two until good ones show up, i decided to give it a try once again. in the past several weeks you kept mentioning the two without differentiating them, i think.
besides, i traveled in other european countries for 3 weeks before getting to kiev this time, so it wasnt possible to work on mamba during the weeks leading up to my arrival in kiev.
but the main reason i didn't bother with mamba this time was because i thought i'd be spending most of my time in kiev with two girls i had already known. but one of them suddenly disappeared, thereby freeing me up for a little more time to explore.
still i'm spending half of my time here with this girl i went to maldives with two summers ago. this is a regular girl from mamba.sorry i didn't differentiate the nature of the two possible internet sources of girls. what they had in common was they were internet websites that used fake pictures and one had to speed date the girls from them in order to get a look at what the girls actually looked like. the difference between a social website like mamba, and escort sites like top-modals. com or minuet. biz, i thought would be self evident to a person looking at them and using them. one kind of website is an escort agency website sending escort prostitute girls to your door. the mamba site is a social website with all kinds of regular people on it world over. in kiev though it is a site that has become a haven for young girls seeking economic help in return for a little roll in the hay. in the good old days, those girls were simply writing openly in their profiles "looking for sex for money" or "seeking a sponsor". more recently mamba has given itself a face lift, and the p4p aspect has had to go a bit underground, but it is still functioning. many girls actually interested in p4p will write absolutely nothing about it in their profile, and write only that they are looking for "friendship" or "meet up / date". they will not even list "sex" as one of the things they are looking for, even though it is one of the options available in the website software. nevertheless, if you write to them and they respond you will find out they are looking for some support. therefore, i write to any girl in the age 18 to 26 age bracket, who either does not state any age limit preference, or says she is interested in meeting men up to age 40, or a higher age. the principle is, if a pretty girl is willing to date a man more than 15 years older than her, then she is probably hoping for some economic benefit from it. it's not always the case, but it has a logic to it, especially with regard to the 18 to 22 year old girls who are nearly 20 years younger than a guy who is 40. so this works for any guy who is 40 or older on his profile. but it can also work partially for a younger guy, because the indicator of a girl's interest in p4p is what she wrote in her profile about the upper limit of the age of the men she is interested to meet, in comparison with her own age. and when the young 18 or 19 year old girl replies affirmatively that she would like to meet, to a monger whose age is 40 or greater, there is an increased chance that she is interested in p4p. however, if the monger's age is younger and closer to the girl's age, and for example, he has nice photos up on his profile, is good looking, writes intelligently and has some game, and is age 25 himself, and a foreign businessman who likely has some money, then the fact that a 19 year old girl, or a 22 year old girl, replies that she will meet him, could easily be because of natural attraction between young people in normal dating age spreads, and it says nothing about p4p intentions. so you must wait and see in those situations. press for the meeting and contact info, and then press for the sex. you may in fact get a freebie if money is never mentioned by the girl. hoo-hah! and if sex doesn't happen within the first two or three dates, and you have pushed and made what moves were possible to make, then you can drop the girl, and not invest more time in her, especially if your time in kiev is limited. or if your time is very limited, you can simply not actually go on a date if the girl hasn't mentioned money yet, and it seems it is going to be a regular date at a cafe. and you can decide that you will only keep dates with girl who have asked for money. because those are the magic words which mean you are getting laid on the very first minute of the very first date with this girl. so that's the way to go if your time is very limited. only keep dates with those girls who have asked for money. all the others, you can tell in the end that something came up in your business, and you need to reschedule, or just don't call to confirm a date you suggested in prior mamba communications before you arrived in kiev.
I went to Mandarin tonght.
Being there for the first time, I couldn't tell if the quality of the girls were exactly the same as at Rio. Maybe less numbers of dancers?
In any case there are numbers of 8s and some 9s here or at Rio, but for the first time ever, OMG, I saw a 10, a stunningly beautiful girl named Vika.
Unfortunately but understandably, she was already sitting with other customers while not dancing, but does anybody know if she goes out with customers?
Or has anybody here done with her?Last time when I was in Kiev, And I was with my mamba girl date from a different city, who was staying over at my apartment for two days, and she admitted she liked girls too, I took her to Mandarin to see the cabaret "show" and maybe we would both like a girl, and I would take her out for a threesome. But that night there were no stunners in the line up at Mandarin. It's a very nice club and show, though.
OK, so lo and behold, the forth agency sent me who appeared to be a mother and her daughter.
Of course I sent the mother home (or maybe she was waiting outside?).
The young girl was so petit that she didn't even look old enough to be a student. She said she was 18. To be sure, she was cute, but was certainly not like a model type.
She barely spoke English so after the one hour for $100 I negotiated with her agent, I sent her back. But her agents phone number will not disappear from my address book for a while.
Later I called her agent and asked her how much it would be for two hours. She said $150.
You know, I would love it if it is like $100 for 2 hours. I mean after all its $100 an hour even at Rio, right?
Is it posible to nagotiate the price with agents? Well, I will try the next time.
If I get one pretty thing like her every 8 girls who come around, I'd say Kiev is not to be given up just yet!I received some PMs about this post, so I want to clarify.
The mother - daughter thing was of course a joke. The older woman was probably about 30, so I just wanted to underline how young the younger girl looked.
That said, the younger girl was probably 18, which both her agent and herself stated. I guess she was one of those girls who look younger than her age, like many Asian girls.
She actually turned me down a little because when I went outside to meet them, she was smoking.
Kiev Freak
11-15-13, 09:11
In mamba, strictly don't mention about sex for money. If you make this, your answer ratio stays at about 5%. I only approach to girls as a gentlemen. No money and sex mention about. Now my answer ratio is almost 30-40%. It is amazing. Already semipros and agencies will demand $ at the end. But don't humiliate people offering intim. In ukraina, nobody prostutite. All girls are honest, good and don't offer sex for money. They only need "sponsor". They will provide you GFE, have sex with you and get their material benefits. Girls see the situation in this manner. Sponsorship and prostitution may be same for us, but it is completely different for them.
Girls get hundreds of messages everyday from all over world. They tend to be selective. Be gentlemen. Meet with girls in cafe. Have sex them. And pay accordingly. Hardened girls will ask you how much you will pay, others not. But you need "help" these girls after sex. She demand or not. Doesn't matter. She waits something from you. But this is not prostitution according to their manner. This is "mutual benefit"
John Corey
11-15-13, 14:13
In mamba, strictly don't mention about sex for money. If you make this, your answer ratio stays at about 5. I only approach to girls as a gentlemen. No money and sex mention about. Now my answer ratio is almost 30-40. It is amazing. Already semipros and agencies will demand $ at the end. But don't humiliate people offering intim. In ukraina, nobody prostutite. All girls are honest, good and don't offer sex for money. They only need "sponsor". They will provide you GFE, have sex with you and get their material benefits. Girls see the situation in this manner. Sponsorship and prostitution may be same for us, but it is completely different for them.
Girls get hundreds of messages everyday from all over world. They tend to be selective. Be gentlemen. Meet with girls in cafe. Have sex them. And pay accordingly. Hardened girls will ask you how much you will pay, others not. But you need "help" these girls after sex. She demand or not. Doesn't matter. She waits something from you. But this is not prostitution according to their manner. This is "mutual benefit"Words of wisdom.
John Corey
11-15-13, 14:14
A while ago someone took the trouble of making a detailed map of the clubs in Kiev on google maps and was kind enough to post it on the board. I had it on one of my old devices
That I lost. Can anyone guide to that post or the author of that wonderful map?
Explorer69
11-15-13, 16:08
I went to Mandarin tonght.
Being there for the first time, I couldn't tell if the quality of the girls were exactly the same as at Rio. Maybe less numbers of dancers?
In any case there are numbers of 8s and some 9s here or at Rio, but for the first time ever, OMG, I saw a 10, a stunningly beautiful girl named Vika.
Unfortunately but understandably, she was already sitting with other customers while not dancing, but does anybody know if she goes out with customers?
Or has anybody here done with her?Hi,
I have not been reporting on ISG for several years. The reason is partly that I have been "out of circulation" with a long-term girlfriend in Kiev, but of all because for unknown reasons there has been a lot of problems with my membership and login. The girlfriend is now finished. I am one of "the oldies" in Kiev. I have been there between 50 and 100 times since 2002. I have even had sex with the legendary Mystery Tramp! I remember the good old days with River Palace. There were quite regularly some real gems to be found. I used to call the girls in RP for "The salvation army of Kiev". When everything else went wrong. You were sure to get laid there!
However, now and then during the last years I have been on my own and then I usually have gone to Rio, I almost every time felt happy there. If you only have one day (night!) to do your deed, then Rio has been perfect for me. I have been a steady reader and there is a wealth of information produced by some of the regular contributors. I must also say that I have for 10 years on and off been a regular long-term sponsor of girls.
I became curious regarding this stunner, the 10 in Rio. I think I have met her? Is she a slim, very tall brunette with long hair and very big breasts?
In mamba, strictly don't mention about sex for money. If you make this, your answer ratio stays at about 5. I only approach to girls as a gentlemen. No money and sex mention about. Now my answer ratio is almost 30-40. It is amazing. Already semipros and agencies will demand $ at the end. But don't humiliate people offering intim. In ukraina, nobody prostutite. All girls are honest, good and don't offer sex for money. They only need "sponsor". They will provide you GFE, have sex with you and get their material benefits. Girls see the situation in this manner. Sponsorship and prostitution may be same for us, but it is completely different for them.
Girls get hundreds of messages everyday from all over world. They tend to be selective. Be gentlemen. Meet with girls in cafe. Have sex them. And pay accordingly. Hardened girls will ask you how much you will pay, others not. But you need "help" these girls after sex. She demand or not. Doesn't matter. She waits something from you. But this is not prostitution according to their manner. This is "mutual benefit"I think the dawn is rising for this monger.
Hi,
I have not been reporting on ISG for several years. The reason is partly that I have been "out of circulation" with a long-term girlfriend in Kiev, but of all because for unknown reasons there has been a lot of problems with my membership and login. The girlfriend is now finished. I am one of "the oldies" in Kiev. I have been there between 50 and 100 times since 2002. I have even had sex with the legendary Mystery Tramp! I remember the good old days with River Palace. There were quite regularly some real gems to be found. I used to call the girls in RP for "The salvation army of Kiev". When everything else went wrong. You were sure to get laid there!
However, now and then during the last years I have been on my own and then I usually have gone to Rio, I almost every time felt happy there. If you only have one day (night!) to do your deed, then Rio has been perfect for me. I have been a steady reader and there is a wealth of information produced by some of the regular contributors. I must also say that I have for 10 years on and off been a regular long-term sponsor of girls.
I became curious regarding this stunner, the 10 in Rio. I think I have met her? Is she a slim, very tall brunette with long hair and very big breasts?Hey Explorer69, welcome back!
At the beginning of my p4p life I received a wealth of information from you along with someone like Beachfrance, Eastern Traveller and CT. Good old names, huh? (I used to use a different handle.)
In any case it sounds like Vika is not whom you are thinking about. To begin with she had worked for Rio and Mandarin only for 1 year. And she is a tall, slim girl with long blond hair (she could be coloring) and with rather small but well-shaped breasts. With her small breasts one might not consider her as a total stunner, but to me she definetly was.
Unfortunately, I have to leave Kiiev tomorrow after 10 days stay. As I come here only once a year, it is always heartbreaking.
sorry i didn't differentiate the nature of the two possible internet sources of girls. what they had in common was they were internet websites that used fake pictures and one had to speed date the girls from them in order to get a look at what the girls actually looked like. the difference between a social website like mamba, and escort sites like top-modals. com or minuet. biz, i thought would be self evident to a person looking at them and using them. one kind of website is an escort agency website sending escort prostitute girls to your door. the mamba site is a social website with all kinds of regular people on it world over. in kiev though it is a site that has become a haven for young girls seeking economic help in return for a little roll in the hay. in the good old days, those girls were simply writing openly in their profiles "looking for sex for money" or "seeking a sponsor". more recently mamba has given itself a face lift, and the p4p aspect has had to go a bit underground, but it is still functioning. many girls actually interested in p4p will write absolutely nothing about it in their profile, and write only that they are looking for "friendship" or "meet up / date". they will not even list "sex" as one of the things they are looking for, even though it is one of the options available in the website software. nevertheless, if you write to them and they respond you will find out they are looking for some support...i did not use mamba for like two years, and when i checked several weeks ago for the first time in two years, i was surprised that it had transformed.
but when i used mamba more than two years ago, all the girls i contacted were part of an agency, and that is why i thought there was no difference between mamba girls and top-modal girls.
I am going to visit Kiev at the end of November after a 2 year break. I will definetely check the strip club scene including Rio and Mandarin. I once was in Rio and met and took out the angel blonde Sophia does anyone knows if she is still on the stage either at Rio or Mandarin?
Kiev Freak
11-17-13, 00:45
Hi fellas,
Next weekend I'm in Kiev. I made my homework well. I scheduled my days with 5 verified mamba girls. In case of failure any of them, I have back up another lower class 5 girls. Apart of them, collected more than 100 mamba numbers. but i cannot verify them so fake photos are very high possibility. it is only as a back up.
And also made a list from top-modals and escort modals. This is plan B.
My plan C is going to night clubs at evening.. I will try avalon and vodka bar. Shooters make problem at entrance. Buddha bar girls crazy. Last time 2 girls wanted me 1000 USD for duo for 2 hours and I could down the price by negotiating to 600$. I had said bye. It happened 2 years ago. Now I don't want go buddha. Also read that D'lux expensive. I will already stay 2 nights so my primarily aim try to find girls from vodka bar or avalon maximum 200 USD for 3-4 hours, unless mamba girls don't satisfy me.
Plan D the is Rio, of course. But it is last option. Take away a girl for 3 hour costs about 500 $ including your expenses at club.
I also want to visit erotic massages because I never tried them.
I didn't visit vodka bar and avalon so far. What is the general rule there? A table I must have to hunt a girl? Or just stand near bar and look girls? when the night club scene start at avalon and vodka bar? did you try to skybar for semipros at arena ?
I am going to visit Kiev at the end of November after a 2 year break. I will definetely check the strip club scene including Rio and Mandarin. I once was in Rio and met and took out the angel blonde Sophia does anyone knows if she is still on the stage either at Rio or Mandarin?If you are referring to the blonde Sophia from Yalta, then I am sad to inform you that she left last year and told me she had a boyfriend. She was a tasty treat, though. On that I agree with you. She enjoyed DATY. Her norm was a covered BJ. On the last occasions I had her to my apartment I got her to do BBBJ by offering her additional money. She was a sexy girl. Too bad we can't tap her sweet little pussy anymore.
My friend, there is no turn-on quite like licking the pussy of a really beautiful girl and seeing your efforts make her body shake in exquisite orgasm. With a new girl that does not know you, there is nothing that "breaks the ice" better than a good DATY which creates a positive sexual connection for the girl toward you. If she feels nothing toward you, then you will receive a mechanical blow job with no feeling in it. If a girl does not have her sexual feelings aroused when she goes down on you, it is likely that the blow job you receive will be the rush job type she gives to a stranger, and you might as well put your penis into one of those latex or rubber sex toys. I want a girl who blows me to like me. And doing DATY well, gets a girl connected to you sexually, even though she just met you, and it removes the nervousness some girls feel with a new man. But this is all a secondary benefit, and not the main reason I like to do DATY.
Your head is wired totally differently from mine in this topic, probably a result of the culture in which you grew up. And I know there are guys out there who don't like the idea of kissing a girl's pussy, which they think of as a smelly and unclean thing. And there are women who are nauseated by the idea of putting a man's penis into their mouth, and the men they are married to can go their whole married life with such women and never get a blow job from her. Mostly these are people from our parents' generation, or people from countries where the old-fashioned ways are more entrenched. But in most Western countries, there came a point in time when a big hairy Bush was no longer the way women kept their pussy's. Instead a concept of real grooming came into vogue, and the "Brazilian waxing" of the female genitalia became widespread. Today no young girl goes with a hairy, smelly pussy. They are all intensely aware of good hygeine, and grooming of their pubic area, and their pussies are completely or mostly shaved and clean and ready for today's kind of oral sex, at the first opportunity, starting from the very beginning of their sexual lives. It is different times we mongers live in, than our fathers did..I agree with LilJoey.
He wrote exactly the same as I would have written it. Giving a good DATY to a woman is a very good icebreaker and gives you some extra good services in return. Of course you don't do this to all the women, but with girlfriends that you know and trust very much. You must do your judgement when you see the girl and has her in your bed all naked. My ukranian girlfriends has no good experience recieving DATY from their Ukranian boyfriends, so every time I give it to them they are having several orgasms. The result is that I get a good BBBJ.
I don't stop giving DATY, even if they try to push away my head. I keep it down there until she falls of the couch or almost crushes my head with her thighs. One of my girlfriends was a little reluctant to this DATY thing, but now she won't have sex unless she has got a good DATY from me. She has four orgasms before I put my condom on and fuck her to her fifth (or more) orgasm. After a few minutes of rest, she gives me a BBBJ to remember and don't stop giving it before I give her a CIM. I warn her that I am about to CIM, but she keeps on sucking it and swallows it. She says that she never do this normally, but with me it is different and all because of the DATY.
I would never hurt or demean a woman on purpose. If she wants it, I will be a little hesitant to do it, but it is her that has to make the decision about this.
Hi fellas,
Next weekend I'm in Kiev. I made my homework well. I scheduled my days with 5 verified mamba girls. In case of failure any of them, I have back up another lower class 5 girls. Apart of them, collected more than 100 mamba numbers. But I cannot verify them so fake photos are very high possibility. It is only as a back up.
And also made a list from top-modals and escort modals. This is plan B.
My plan C is going to night clubs at evening. I will try avalon and vodka bar. Shooters make problem at entrance. Buddha bar girls crazy. Last time 2 girls wanted me 1000 USD for duo for 2 hours and I could down the price by negotiating to 600$. I had said bye. It happened 2 years ago. Now I don't want go buddha. Also read that D'lux expensive. I will already stay 2 nights so my primarily aim try to find girls from vodka bar or avalon maximum 200 USD for 3-4 hours, unless mamba girls don't satisfy me.
Plan D the is Rio, of course. But it is last option. Take away a girl for 3 hour costs about 500 $ including your expenses at club.
I also want to visit erotic massages because I never tried them.
I didn't visit vodka bar and avalon so far. What is the general rule there? A table I must have to hunt a girl? Or just stand near bar and look girls? When the night club scene start at avalon and vodka bar? Did you try to skybar for semipros at arena?Hi Kiev Freak,
Are all the girls from Mamba from Kiev only or you have contacted from different cities?
Also can't wait for your report after your trip.
Thanks LilJoey,
I can't remenber exactly where Sophia comes from but I remember she was living and studying in Kiev. If she left the club that is a pitty she was very beutiful. Apart from her how is the club scenes nowadays I mean the quality of the girls what is your opinion.
YellowPaul
11-17-13, 18:33
I can give a VK girl contact now that I not talking to her anymore. She is not strictly P4P, you have to tell her your offering a "modelling assignment" for a weekend.LOL
Be clear your staying in the same apartment.
$500 should be good enough.
http://vk.com/alla_blondy
Thanks LilJoey,
I can't remenber exactly where Sophia comes from but I remember she was living and studying in Kiev. If she left the club that is a pitty she was very beutiful. Apart from her how is the club scenes nowadays I mean the quality of the girls what is your opinion.There are always fluctuations in the line up, so it is not static and keeps changing. There always were a sufficient number of very hot girls for me to find something there for take out. So the club still serves its purpose. There has started to be a trend of some girls asking more than $400 for all night if the date begins earlier before midnight, on the theory that there are more hours. If that becomes the norm at Rio, then it is the same price at Dolls, and one should consider Dolls for all night dates, although the private dances at 400 UAH ($50) are ridiculously priced and I wouldn't do it so quickly if I could avoid it, unless I thought it was crucial in deciding whether to take out a particular girl or not depending on how she acted towards me in a private dance. And the $300 for only 2 hours of take out at Dolls is as high as many nightclub girls will negotiate down to at places like Buddha Bar and D'lux, so if you're ready to dish out $150 / hr rate, you can also go to the high end nightclubs too and do it there.
Most guys on this thread are looking for a lower priced solution in the range of $100-$200 and less for a few hours, and are hoping to find a really beautiful girl for those lower prices in the other nightclubs or bars, other than the higher priced locations like D'lux or Buddha Bar.
Follow your heart's inclinations. But you will still find hot girls at the venue you asked about.
I can give a VK girl contact now that I not talking to her anymore. She is not strictly P4P, you have to tell her your offering a "modelling assignment" for a weekend. LOL.
Be clear your staying in the same apartment.
$500 should be good enough.
http://vk.com/alla_blondyThanks for the contact detail. Is she doing the classic escort service, companionship or just guiding or modeling.
Also can she speak English or do I have to write in Russian?
YellowPaul
11-18-13, 14:45
Thanks for the contact detail. Is she doing the classic escort service, companionship or just guiding or modeling.
Also can she speak English or do I have to write in Russian?She can speak English. She is that classic middle ground in Ukraine where you would have to pipeline her a few weeks in advance to gain her trust for GF experience. You would have have to pay for nice dinners, maybe some shopping.
While this maybe to much work for most mongers on a limited time or budget, it can be very rewarding. If you want young and attractive girls in UA that don't have a ton on mileage on them, it requires some effort.
Is there anyone out there who has experience sufficient to intelligently discuss how best to monger for p4p girls using Vkontakte, in light of the obvious differences it has with mamba. For example, on mamba the girls state what they are seeking in a man. However, on Vkontakte, other than the setting "actively seeking", there is hardly any indication of what a girl is seeking in terms of. What kind of man, and for what purposes, and up until what ages, a girl might be seeking. So I'm at a loss as to clues for p4p interest in any of the girls on vkontakte. And just the fact that a girl might have some pictures of herself in a sexy bikini, is no indicator, as many pretty girls like to show off their body if it is good.
What I would like to avoid is messaging regular girls who are more than 20 years younger than me and far too young for me to pursue for regular dating, but who would be fine when it comes to p4p (ages 18 to 25).
I have been fairly successful with finding girls on mamba, but have never really tried on Vkontakte. What is a good method to follow for searching out p4p girls on Vkontakte?
Kiev Freak
11-19-13, 08:26
Hi lj, you need to write somethings in groups, mostly sexual and erotic pages you can type funny comments and like girls photos, just like facebook. VK is hard to monger. maybe hard is not correct word. it Consumes time. mamba is a gold mine. And I have a question about mandarin club. How I can go there? Moskovskiy avenue is far from center to walk? Rio is very near the center but I didn't try mandarin and i want go there. This time I want to go. I must use taxi? Taxi always charge very big money when I say go strip club. So I believe it is better to say moskovskiy avenue, instead of mandarin club.
Kiev Freak
11-19-13, 09:03
Anyone tried uklon. Com. Ua? The site is required to enter ukrainian number but I enter my local number. Hope it is ok. They can help you to find girls apartments?
John Corey
11-19-13, 14:12
Is there anyone out there who has experience sufficient to intelligently discuss how best to monger for p4p girls using Vkontakte, in light of the obvious differences it has with mamba. For example, on mamba the girls state what they are seeking in a man. However, on Vkontakte, other than the setting "actively seeking", there is hardly any indication of what a girl is seeking in terms of. What kind of man, and for what purposes, and up until what ages, a girl might be seeking. So I'm at a loss as to clues for p4p interest in any of the girls on vkontakte. And just the fact that a girl might have some pictures of herself in a sexy bikini, is no indicator, as many pretty girls like to show off their body if it is good.
What I would like to avoid is messaging regular girls who are more than 20 years younger than me and far too young for me to pursue for regular dating, but who would be fine when it comes to p4p (ages 18 to 25).
I have been fairly successful with finding girls on mamba, but have never really tried on Vkontakte. What is a good method to follow for searching out p4p girls on Vkontakte?I have tried unsuccessfully for the past six months, had a couple of very pretty girls follow me (unsolicited) but never responded when I wrote to them. One responded to my message to her saying she would meet me in some cabaret place if I bought her wine. I keep trying but so far I have not managed to carry a conversation past the second message. I had one girl from mamba send me a link to her VK account but she never responded. I guess like most things if you keep at it you will succeed. The site does have some really pretty girls and most of them are a bit more sophisticated than Mamba.
Hi lj, you need to write somethings in groups, mostly sexual and erotic pages you can type funny comments and like girls photos, just like facebook. VK is hard to monger. maybe hard is not correct word. it Consumes time. mamba is a gold mine. And I have a question about mandarin club. How I can go there? Moskovskiy avenue is far from center to walk? Rio is very near the center but I didn't try mandarin and i want go there. This time I want to go. I must use taxi? Taxi always charge very big money when I say go strip club. So I believe it is better to say moskovskiy avenue, instead of mandarin club.The address for Mandarin is Prospekt Moskovski 32. Have you tried calling one of the reputable taxi companies and just giving them your address and the destination address? They will give you a price on the phone before sending a taxi. It is the way locals get taxis. It is cheaper than flagging a taxi down in the street.
John Corey
11-19-13, 19:19
The address for Mandarin is Prospekt Moskovski 32. Have you tried calling one of the reputable taxi companies and just giving them your address and the destination address? They will give you a price on the phone before sending a taxi. It is the way locals get taxis. It is cheaper than flagging a taxi down in the street.What are the reliable english speaking taxi companies in Kiev? Would appreciate your input.
Thanks
Kiev Freak
11-19-13, 20:55
What are the reliable english speaking taxi companies in Kiev? Would appreciate your input.
ThanksI also want to know this please
I agree with LilJoey.
He wrote exactly the same as I would have written it. Giving a good DATY to a woman is a very good icebreaker and gives you some extra good services in return. Of course you don't do this to all the women, but with girlfriends that you know and trust very much. You must do your judgement when you see the girl and has her in your bed all naked. My ukranian girlfriends has no good experience recieving DATY from their Ukranian boyfriends, so every time I give it to them they are having several orgasms. The result is that I get a good BBBJ.
I don't stop giving DATY, even if they try to push away my head. I keep it down there until she falls of the couch or almost crushes my head with her thighs. One of my girlfriends was a little reluctant to this DATY thing, but now she won't have sex unless she has got a good DATY from me. She has four orgasms before I put my condom on and fuck her to her fifth (or more) orgasm. After a few minutes of rest, she gives me a BBBJ to remember and don't stop giving it before I give her a CIM. I warn her that I am about to CIM, but she keeps on sucking it and swallows it. She says that she never do this normally, but with me it is different and all because of the DATY.
I would never hurt or demean a woman on purpose. If she wants it, I will be a little hesitant to do it, but it is her that has to make the decision about this.A working girl is a working girl and giving DATY to one is kind of like getting fucked in the ass and lose masculinity. No reason for DATY to get GFE, one just needs to be a man. And yes DATY to a real women tht man loves is a totaly different thing.
A working girl is a working girl and giving DATY to one is kind of like getting fucked in the ass and lose masculinity. No reason for DATY to get GFE, one just needs to be a man. And yes DATY to a real women tht man loves is a totaly different thing.Good to know that giving DATY to a working girl reduces masculinity. I'll be sure not to do that again. Now, about getting fucked in the ass. Does it matter if it's by a girl or a guy? What's your experience on this?
What are the reliable english speaking taxi companies in Kiev? Would appreciate your input.
ThanksReliable? How do you define it? Do you look only to the fare? That they don't try to cheat you?
My definition of reliable is: That the phonenumber and the taxis are always available. That they really come and that the taxis are in a good condition (no broken window, dirty seats). The price must be acceptable, too. In this way I prefer EliteTaxi. The taxis with the yellow phone receiver.
+380502488248
http://elit-taxi.ua
The pricing is not the best (sorry). And if you call, don't forget ask for the taxi that suits to you (and the amount that you want to spend). They will offer you economy, standard and lux taxis. They prefer to send you a standard taxi (if you say nothing).
But for sure: What helps you to call the cheapest taxi company if they don't come? Especially if you want to go to the airport? Or back home from the strip-club or disco (together with a girl)? Or if you have to wait one hour for the taxi? In Lviv (for example) I prefer Optima Taxi. You can trust them 100 % (price and availability). In Kiev Optima Taxi is not really good. They let you wait and try to cheat with the price (sometimes).
Good to know that giving DATY to a working girl reduces masculinity. I'll be sure not to do that again. Now, about getting fucked in the ass. Does it matter if it's by a girl or a guy? What's your experience on this?You are funny man, thats for sure. No no don't ask me, you tell me.
Kiev Freak
11-20-13, 15:55
Elite taxi phone line speaks english?
A working girl is a working girl and giving DATY to one is kind of like getting fucked in the ass and lose masculinity. No reason for DATY to get GFE, one just needs to be a man. And yes DATY to a real women tht man loves is a totaly different thing.
I have never visited FFK, and next moth I will have a chance to do so like I wrote. To what I really looking forward. I was in Prague several years ago and it is what it is. Darling was full of great looking girls, where GFE was non existant (like I wrote). K5 sended several good looking blonds to my hotel rom and again same story here.
Now Kiev is my favorite playground, I don't want to sound cocky but I don't have problems whats so ever finding semipro girls or "normal girls" in Kiev. The reason it is so, is because I qualify. Yes the most imortant aspect in Kiev is to "qualify"
I choose to buy sex because I like doing that from time to time. Its hassel free and I am not Brad Pitt to take smoking hot girls home every night.Do you mean to tell me, dear friend, that when you visit the FKK's and you have so many beautiful girls and beautiful pussies surrounding you, and available to you for whatever you want, that you will not enjoy licking any of those amazing pussies?
What a waste. To pay all that money and still to deny yourself the pleasure of full mutual oral sex.
But to each his own. Enjoy how you like to enjoy. It is all good.
Elite taxi phone line speaks english?Normally yes. If the operator don't speak english he / she will connect you with an english speaking operator. I use elite taxi since 3 years + I come 5-6 times to Kiev every year (always for 5-6 days). Next time at the beginning of December.
Kiev Freak
11-20-13, 21:51
Licking pussy my sex ignitor. Really I can't start without it. If she orgasm, I want to feel her shaking while keeping up my "lizat"
my friend, there is no turn-on quite like licking the pussy of a really beautiful girl and seeing your efforts make her body shake in exquisite orgasm. with a new girl that does not know you, there is nothing that "breaks the ice" better than a good daty which creates a positive sexual connection for the girl toward you. if she feels nothing toward you, then you will receive a mechanical blow job with no feeling in it. if a girl does not have her sexual feelings aroused when she goes down on you, it is likely that the blow job you receive will be the rush job type she gives to a stranger, and you might as well put your penis into one of those latex or rubber sex toys. i want a girl who blows me to like me. and doing daty well, gets a girl connected to you sexually, even though she just met you, and it removes the nervousness some girls feel with a new man. but this is all a secondary benefit, and not the main reason i like to do daty.
your head is wired totally differently from mine in this topic, probably a result of the culture in which you grew up. and i know there are guys out there who don't like the idea of kissing a girl's pussy, which they think of as a smelly and unclean thing. and there are women who are nauseated by the idea of putting a man's penis into their mouth, and the men they are married to can go their whole married life with such women and never get a blow job from her. mostly these are people from our parents' generation, or people from countries where the old-fashioned ways are more entrenched. but in most western countries, there came a point in time when a big hairy bush was no longer the way women kept their pussy's. instead a concept of real grooming came into vogue, and the "brazilian waxing" of the female genitalia became widespread. today no young girl goes with a hairy, smelly pussy. they are all intensely aware of good hygeine, and grooming of their pubic area, and their pussies are completely or mostly shaved and clean and ready for today's kind of oral sex, at the first opportunity, starting from the very beginning of their sexual lives. it is different times we mongers live in, than our fathers did.
get this through your head if you can understand it despite your cultural biases. i don't do the daty primarily to "service" the girl, as you put it. instead, my primary reason for liking to do it, is that it gives me a lot of enjoyment to play with a young girl's body in that way, and cause a shuddering orgasm with merely my kisses, or the "fiddling" of my tongue. i use my tongue to "play" her clitoris, as a virtuoso violinist plays his instrument, and her moans and cries of pleasure and extacy are music to my ears, and turn me on very much. i do it primarily for me, because i enjoy doung it, and my motive or inspiration to do it is not merely to service her.
in a similar fashion, i get nothing from squirting my cum on a girl's face, because to me it is an act that is completely demeaning of a woman. and i have sex with woman because i live women. not because i wish to degrade or demean women. this act of coming on a girl's face is the norm in the porno industry, and perhaps you watch a lot of porn and were influenced in this way. or perhaps you get a sexual charge out of demeaning or degrading a girl, by squirting cum all over her face. maybe it comes from an instinct like a dog peeing on his favorite tree, to mark it as his place. i don't know where the source of the pleasure you get in this comes from, and i am just guessing at the roots of it. it doesn't give me pleasure, so it's hard for me to get into your head on this topic. but there are also men who are [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127) and sadists and they get a sexual excitement from hurting a woman. for me, hurting a woman is a turn off, not a turn on. i am wired differently than a man who is a sadist or a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) who gets sexual pleasure out of causing pain to another. different people are wired differently in terms of what gives them sexual gratifications. that is all i'm trying to open up your mind to.cim, cof and swallow today is like the bj / oral sex in your father's generation.
i am just in the in-crowd and up with the standard of current and the future.
your view about cim / cof and swallow is just like your father's generation with bj / oral sex. you seem to be a generation behind or something.
to break the ice: how about a cool funny or short interesting conversation instead of kneeling down and licking working girls' pussies? lol.
personally, i have no problem of getting a great bbbj with cim / cof and with swallow (from girls who do them and even from girls who claim they don't swallow cum).
so definitely, there's no need to licking pussies like a dog to get a great bbbj.
i see girls, who do cim / cof and swallow, love doing cim / cof and swallow. they sucked my cock even after i cummed in the mouth and face, often giving me additional one or two orgasms after the main one. they truly emptied all my balls. lol i scouped up my cum from their chin and face into their mouths and they licked it up like honey. great visual!
it's not degrading or demeaning to these girls at all; they loved it.
for example, one girl loved to get pissed on her face, mouth and body; so after i pissed on her, she got all wet and horny everytime; there's no need for jel or licking pussy.
another 20 year old girl dressed in business suit did cof and i cummed on her face and the cum spreaded so pefectly and evenly all over her face, and she went to the bathroom mirror and looked her face real good before she washed it. i said to her it was a perfect cof, and she agreed.
whatever your reason for licking working girls pussies, the end result is you're servicing the very working girl who you paid to service you! lol.
you certainly have no idea what a sadist or bdsm is! cim / cof and swallow is not bdsm. [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) is only the the beginnig. pissing on girls don't give me a hard-on but i do it because they offer it. lol
so your view about cim / cof and swallow is twisted and is just like your father's generation with bj / oral sex.
btw, face-fuck is also very fashionably.
of course, anal is already very common theses days.
CIM, COF and swallow today is like the BJ / oral sex in your father's generation.
I am just in the in-crowd and up with the standard of current and the future.
Your view about CIM / COF and swallow is just like your father's generation with BJ / oral sex. You seem to be a generation behind or something.
To break the ice: How about a cool funny or short interesting conversation instead of kneeling down and licking working girls' pussies? LOL.
Personally, I have no problem of getting a great BBBJ with CIM / COF and with swallow (from girls who do them and even from girls who claim they don't swallow cum).
So definitely, there's no need to licking pussies like a dog to get a great BBBJ.
I see girls, who do CIM / COF and swallow, love doing CIM / COF and swallow. They sucked my cock even after I cummed in the mouth and face, often giving me additional one or two orgasms after the main one. They truly emptied all my balls. LOL I scouped up my cum from their chin and face into their mouths and they licked it up like honey. Great visual!
It's not degrading or demeaning to these girls at all; they loved it.
For example, one girl loved to get pissed on her face, mouth and body; so after I pissed on her, she got all wet and horny everytime; there's no need for jel or licking pussy.
Another young 20 year old girl dressed in business suit did COF and I cummed on her face and the cum spreaded so pefectly and evenly all over her face, and she went to the bathroom mirror and looked her face real good before she washed it. I said to her it was a perfect COF, and she agreed. .
Whatever your reason for licking working girls pussies, the end result is you're servicing the very working girl who you paid to service you! LOL.
You certainly have no idea what a sadist or BDSM is! CIM / COF and swallow is not BDSM. [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) is only the the beginnig. Pissing on girls don't give me a hard-on but I do it because they offer it. LOL.
So your view about CIM / COF and swallow is twisted and is just like your father's generation with BJ / oral sex.
BTW, face-fuck is also very fashionably.
Of course, anal is already very common theses days.What color was the business suit? Who was the designer? Is [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) yellow the new black?
You are funny man, thats for sure. No no don't ask me, you tell me.Thank you for the kind words. You are very sweet but please clarify, are your posts meant to be funny or they just appear funny? Telling grown ups what they should and shouldn't do with girls is hilarious. Hope you meant it this way.
Thank you for the kind words. You are very sweet but please clarify, are your posts meant to be funny or they just appear funny? Telling grown ups what they should and shouldn't do with girls is hilarious. Hope you meant it this way.I am not into telling people what to do. My post was just a statment. Now to each its own, but all humans have different views on things, experince and oppinions. It is really not my fault you to be crying like a little baby. But forgive me mister "know all" if I hurted your feelings.
CIM, COF and swallow today is like the BJ / oral sex in your father's generation.
I am just in the in-crowd and up with the standard of current and the future.
Your view about CIM / COF and swallow is just like your father's generation with BJ / oral sex. You seem to be a generation behind or something.
To break the ice: How about a cool funny or short interesting conversation instead of kneeling down and licking working girls' pussies? LOL.
Personally, I have no problem of getting a great BBBJ with CIM / COF and with swallow (from girls who do them and even from girls who claim they don't swallow cum).
So definitely, there's no need to licking pussies like a dog to get a great BBBJ.
I see girls, who do CIM / COF and swallow, love doing CIM / COF and swallow. They sucked my cock even after I cummed in the mouth and face, often giving me additional one or two orgasms after the main one. They truly emptied all my balls. LOL I scouped up my cum from their chin and face into their mouths and they licked it up like honey. Great visual!
It's not degrading or demeaning to these girls at all; they loved it.
For example, one girl loved to get pissed on her face, mouth and body; so after I pissed on her, she got all wet and horny everytime; there's no need for jel or licking pussy..Obviously, your mind was not open. So you have not understood the main point I tried to open your mind to, which is that many men get pleasure from DATY. All these men don't share your obvious distaste for it. Instead all these men enjoy doing it, and it gives these men pleasure.
Your grandiose self imaging is something a psychologist might be able to offer insight on. But you are clearly in a delusional fantasy world believing that all p4p girls, simply "love" your cum and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) all over their faces. How do you not see that most do not love it and simply want more money from you, so they tolerate the practice.
Obviously there are plenty of guys who enjoy cumming on a girls face, and that is why it is an "extra" that you can pay an additional 50 Euro for in the FKK's. But there is no question that the source of the pleasure for the man engaging in this is not physical, and is most certainly psychologically derived from seeing the complete submission of the female who accepts this from him. It is not BDSM. You are confused with the modern terminology. But it is demeaning and dominating to the female, and this very aspect is the root of where the pleasure comes from for the men who engage in it. Why not admit to yourself that you enjoy demeaning females as part of your sexuality, since it makes you feel superior and dominating? Why delude yourself into imagining that all females just love your cumming and pissing on their faces. Obviously there are some submissive females that do enjoy it. But to imagine that all females enjoy it, especially in p4p, is part of your self delusion.
I'll just point out one thing. For a guy who thinks about himself that he is "just in the in-crowd and up with the standard of current and the future", you seem to have no explanation for why you don't like to engage in a standard practice of oral sex nowadays, cunningulus (DATY) , and you write about it in a demeaning fashion, with obvious disdain describing it as "licking a girl like a dog." You obviously have a distaste for the practice of oral sex on a woman and you get no pleasure from it. It doesn't sound like you are very "up with the standard of current and the future" as you claim.
Now go and enjoy how you wish to enjoy. If you get a kick out of cumming on a girl's face, I don't criticize that, since you are paying for it, and you're entitled to enjoy what you like. And if you get no pleasure from DATY, and you think it demeans you to do it, then don't do it. No one requires it of you in the world of p4p. (a potential regular girl not p4p girlfriend in today's modern sexual world might have a bone to pick with you, though). But open up your mind enough to understand that there are many, many men who do enjoy performing DATY.
Live and let live. Enjoy and let enjoy. It's all good.
I am not into telling people what to do. My post was just a statment. Now to each its own, but all humans have different views on things, experince and oppinions. It is really not my fault you to be crying like a little baby. But forgive me mister "know all" if I hurted your feelings.I forgive you
My girlfriend in Ukraine wants to come visit me in the US, but because she's still just a student, she can't get a visa to the US. Does anybody have a brilliant idea on how to do this?
Instead of paying attention to idiots on this thread, please help me!
My girlfriend in Ukraine wants to come visit me in the US, but because she's still just a student, she can't get a visa to the US. Does anybody have a brilliant idea on how to do this?
Instead of paying attention to idiots on this thread, please help me!What kind of man are you not to be able to get your gf into USA and asking such a stupid question on a sex forum calling other members for idiots.
My girlfriend in Ukraine wants to come visit me in the US, but because she's still just a student, she can't get a visa to the US. Does anybody have a brilliant idea on how to do this?
Instead of paying attention to idiots on this thread, please help me!Getting visas to the US is difficult but not impossible as I have friends who have done it.
1) Has your girl a history of travel outside the Ukraine?
2) Can you deposit funds in her account to demonstrate her financial independence?
3) Have you the ability to arrange a work experience invitation from a reputable US company?
YellowPaul
11-22-13, 16:05
My girlfriend in Ukraine wants to come visit me in the US, but because she's still just a student, she can't get a visa to the US. Does anybody have a brilliant idea on how to do this?
Instead of paying attention to idiots on this thread, please help me!Meet her is the Dominican Republic as I have done that a few times. Getting a US visa for student that does not have papers that is she attending school in the US or is on a organized tour could be tough.
John Corey
11-22-13, 16:57
Reliable? How do you define it? Do you look only to the fare? That they don't try to cheat you?
My definition of reliable is: That the phonenumber and the taxis are always available. That they really come and that the taxis are in a good condition (no broken window, dirty seats). The price must be acceptable, too. In this way I prefer EliteTaxi. The taxis with the yellow phone receiver.
+380502488248.
http://elit-taxi.ua
The pricing is not the best (sorry). And if you call, don't forget ask for the taxi that suits to you (and the amount that you want to spend). They will offer you economy, standard and lux taxis. They prefer to send you a standard taxi (if you say nothing).
But for sure: What helps you to call the cheapest taxi company if they don't come? Especially if you want to go to the airport? Or back home from the strip-club or disco (together with a girl)? Or if you have to wait one hour for the taxi? In Lviv (for example) I prefer Optima Taxi. You can trust them 100 % (price and availability). In Kiev Optima Taxi is not really good. They let you wait and try to cheat with the price (sometimes).Thank you for the information.
Thanks, guys, for your input.
But actually we have already thought through all these options and have not come up with a right solution, if ever possible.
So right now actually I have a reservation for her to come out to Dominican Republic with my One World mileages.
But she wants to come out to the US for a few months, and I can only invite her to DR for about a week. That is the pity.
Obviously, your mind was not open. So you have not understood the main point I tried to open your mind to, which is that many men get pleasure from DATY. All these men don't share your obvious distaste for it. Instead all these men enjoy doing it, and it gives these men pleasure.
Your grandiose self imaging is something a psychologist might be able to offer insight on. But you are clearly in a delusional fantasy world believing that all p4p girls, simply "love" your cum and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) all over their faces. How do you not see that most do not love it and simply want more money from you, so they tolerate the practice.I am talking only about P4P girls; so please don't confuse yourself with regular GFs.
You enjoy licking pussies and some men enjoy BDSM and pain, getting whipped, dominated, etc. Each to his own.
From what you wrote previously, you do DATY because you are trying to get BBBJ or better BBBJ from P4P girls, and you only got them at most half the time.
I am saying that there's no need to do DATY to get BBBJ and great BBBJ all the time because I didn't have to DATY at all to get great BBBJs all the time.
It's ridiculous to serve the very provider you paid for. LOL
It is you who are apparently in a delusional fantasy world believing that all p4p girls, simply "love" your DATY and fucking their pussies. How do you not see that most do not love it and simply want money from you, so they tolerate your practice. I'll bet almost all the girls will not let you DATY or even answer your phone if you don't pay them. LOL
BTW, they like it if you cum as soon as possible. So if you want treat them well and not demeaning or degrading them, you probably should or would you cum as soon as possible?
Obviously there are plenty of guys who enjoy cumming on a girls face, and that is why it is an "extra" that you can pay an additional 50 Euro for in the FKK's. But there is no question that the source of the pleasure for the man engaging in this is not physical, and is most certainly psychologically derived from seeing the complete submission of the female who accepts this from him. It is not BDSM. You are confused with the modern terminology. But it is demeaning and dominating to the female, and this very aspect is the root of where the pleasure comes from for the men who engage in it. Why not admit to yourself that you enjoy demeaning females as part of your sexuality, since it makes you feel superior and dominating? Why delude yourself into imagining that all females just love your cumming and pissing on their faces. Obviously there are some submissive females that do enjoy it. But to imagine that all females enjoy it, especially in p4p, is part of your self delusion.Please let me clarify.
I didn't say all girls love it; I said the girls who I did it with loved and enjoyed it.
I didn't pay any extras for these, which you call extras. .
It's all in the standard price as you would pay them without these.
I can understand if you don't want to pay for these, which you call extras.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to save a few bucks. LOL
BTW, have anyone thought about why most times DATY is free and why CIM / COF / with swallow are called extras?
As I pointed out before, in DATY you are servicing the very provider you are paying for, and in CIM / COF / swallow the service provider is servicing you as it should. DATY P4P girls is ridiculous enough.
IMHO, It's most ridiculous to pay extra for DATY. LOL
I didn't say CIM / COF / swallow is BDSM. It was you who wrote in the previous post that CIM / COF / swallow is BDSM. I merely pointed out to you that CIM / COF / swallow is not BDSM since you appeared to have no idea what BDSM is and are still very confused because you seem not to have read others' posts carefully before you reply. LOL
Obviously there are plenty of guys who enjoy cumming on a girls face, and that is why it is an "extra" that you can pay an additional 50 Euro for in the FKK's. But there is no question that the source of the pleasure for the man engaging in this is not physical, and is most certainly psychologically derived from seeing the complete submission of the female who accepts this from him. But it is demeaning and dominating to the female, and this very aspect is the root of where the pleasure comes from for the men who engage in it. Why not admit to yourself that you enjoy demeaning females as part of your sexuality, since it makes you feel superior and dominating?
I'll just point out one thing. For a guy who thinks about himself that he is "just in the in-crowd and up with the standard of current and the future", you seem to have no explanation for why you don't like to engage in a standard practice of oral sex nowadays, cunningulus (DATY) , and you write about it in a demeaning fashion, with obvious disdain describing it as "licking a girl like a dog." You obviously have a distaste for the practice of oral sex on a woman and you get no pleasure from it. It doesn't sound like you are very "up with the standard of current and the future" as you claim.Clearly, you had no idea what great physical pleasure you can get from a great CIM and COF. LOL
For me, it's not psychological at all; it's simply all physical. LOL
Maybe for you, it's psychological and as twisted as you described.
If your mind's open, you'd the realize the fact is CIM / COF / swallow today is what oral sex was in your father's generation.
DATY was probably the thing 15 year ago; it just shows how backward you are and still live in the past.
Now it's face-fuck, CIM / COF / with swallow.
Surely, it's all good.
Each to his own.
Happy mongering to all.
Kiev Freak
11-26-13, 23:34
Hi,
Last week I wa sin Kiev, only for 2 days. I collected many numbers from mamba and keep in touch some of them for 1 week to make a GFE and verify them.
I arrived to Kiev about 14 and went to my room directly. First girl I inviited didn't come on time. So invited other, agreed on term. 200 $ for 2 hours, bbbj and ,cim- cif. She demanded extra 100$ for anal but I refused, it was too much. She stayed with me for 5 hours, drinks, sex three times. CIM included. Damage was 200 bucks.
Later I went to mc donalds and eat. And evening I invited another. She wanted money in advance. I gave. BBBJ ok. CIF. But not GFE. Clock watcher. She didn't let me take photo. She was sport teacher and body 8. Services 6-7. Passive sex. 150 $ for 2 hours.
And I went to vodka bar. Not many people. There were several p4p. One of them was almost 40. There were other 3 girls near me, not higher than 6. And they were drunk. In ukraine all girls look like prostitutes but they are not. It is risky to ask them if they are p4p. I was alread very tired. I went home and sleep. Next day morning I sent several messages. A girl accepted to come quickly. If I pay taxi. I offered taxi 50 uah for taxi. She said only 40 uah. And we agreed. She came. We had sex. CIM and BBBJ ok. She is exaclty 9/10. Very nice sex. After we drink and sex she asked me " you will help me?" I gave her 150 $. We went to eat sushi later. We spent 3-4 hours together.
Later I started to feel my self just like an escort girl. I was waiting in room and girls were visiting me. I was waiting in room for next girl. I was bored. I called my ex girlfriend. She refused to come. I offered 300 $ and after 1 hours we were together. We spent 1, 5 days together. All was in action. Bareback sex, anal ok, cim and swallow ok. When I was leaving in Kiev, we decided to be together again. After 1 day again we started to fight and finish (smile)
But when I come home, I saw they I was infected. Probably gonorroe because of BBBJ or DATY. I started to feel it before my ex gf come so it means min. One of these three girls had infected.
Kiev Freak
11-26-13, 23:36
Other brunette devuska. The 3rd one.
Last week I was in Kiev, only for 2 days.
But when I come home, I saw they I was infected. Probably gonorroe because of BBBJ or DATY. I started to feel it before my ex gf come so it means min. One of these three girls had infected.1) 'Probably Gonorrhea'? You still don't know what you caught up? Did you let the girls know?
2) 'I started to feel it before my ex gf came. '. And you still do her bareback and anal?
3) I never will understand, why men are going to Kiev (or similar places) paying silly prices for travel, hotel and girls. And do know or do not know about wide spread sexual diseases in Eastern Europe, which partially do not react anymore to antibiotics.
I call it unconscious attempted suicide or just stupidity.
Hi,
Last week I wa sin Kiev, only for 2 days. I collected many numbers from mamba and keep in touch some of them for 1 week to make a GFE and verify them.
I arrived to Kiev about 14 and went to my room directly. First girl I inviited didn't come on time. So invited other, agreed on term. 200 $ for 2 hours, BBBJ and, cim- cif. She demanded extra 100$ for anal but I refused, it was too much. She stayed with me for 5 hours, drinks, sex three times. CIM included. Damage was 200 bucks.
Later I went to mc donalds and eat. And evening I invited another. She wanted money in advance. I gave. BBBJ ok. CIF. But not GFE. Clock watcher. She didn't let me take photo. She was sport teacher and body 8. Services 6-7. Passive sex. 150 $ for 2 hours.
And I went to vodka bar. Not many people. There were several p4p. One of them was almost 40. There were other 3 girls near me, not higher than 6. And they were drunk. In ukraine all girls look like prostitutes but they are not. It is risky to ask them if they are p4p. I was alread very tired. I went home and sleep. Next day morning I sent several messages. A girl accepted to come quickly. If I pay taxi. I offered taxi 50 uah for taxi. She said only 40 uah. And we agreed. She came. We had sex. CIM and BBBJ ok. She is exaclty 9/10. Very nice sex. After we drink and sex she asked me " you will help me?" I gave her 150 $. We went to eat sushi later. We spent 3-4 hours together.
Later I started to feel my self just like an escort girl. I was waiting in room and girls were visiting me. I was waiting in room for next girl. I was bored. I called my ex girlfriend. She refused to come. I offered 300 $ and after 1 hours we were together. We spent 1, 5 days together. All was in action. Bareback sex, anal ok, cim and swallow ok. When I was leaving in Kiev, we decided to be together again. After 1 day again we started to fight and finish (smile)
But when I come home, I saw they I was infected. Probably gonorroe because of BBBJ or DATY. I started to feel it before my ex gf come so it means min. One of these three girls had infected.I don't find it easy to find girls on Mamba. Either there are the common prostitutes posting over and over again, or it is agencys. 50% of the girls who interesst me ask for VIP-status. I have search for one month now, and only get price from 10 girls. I must do something wrong.
VodkaBar. I visited VB last time in Kiev and it was packed with girls. But I could only recognize one who probably was prostitute. Problem was they ask me for 1200UAH to sit at her table upstairs. How much did they charged you for sitting at a table?
I don't find it easy to find girls on Mamba. Either there are the common prostitutes posting over and over again, or it is agencys. 50% of the girls who interesst me ask for VIP-status. I have search for one month now, and only get price from 10 girls. I must do something wrong.
VodkaBar. I visited VB last time in Kiev and it was packed with girls. But I could only recognize one who probably was prostitute. Problem was they ask me for 1200UAH to sit at her table upstairs. How much did they charged you for sitting at a table?At VB most of them are biches if not prostitutes. Never payed for sex there and always ended up at least meeting the girl next day (dinner and wine out, back home, more alkohol and then sex).
YellowPaul
11-27-13, 18:37
1) 'Probably Gonorrhea'? You still don't know what you caught up? Did you let the girls know?
2) 'I started to feel it before my ex gf came. '. And you still do her bareback and anal?
3) I never will understand, why men are going to Kiev (or similar places) paying silly prices for travel, hotel and girls. And do know or do not know about wide spread sexual diseases in Eastern Europe, which partially do not react anymore to antibiotics.
I call it unconscious attempted suicide or just stupidity.Totally agree with you. The only time I go bareback with a girl in Kiev with normal girls that take sometimes 3-4 dates and yes even that is still risky.
For straight P4P girls who have a lot more mileage on them. It is simply insane not to use protection.
At VB most of them are biches if not prostitutes.This is not true. Entering is free for the girls. Even on the days where the girls have to pay. They just tell the security "I have no money" and can enter for free. There is no other disco in the center which is so cheap. Only a strategy for a full disco and the illusion that you can have all the girls.
This is not true. Entering is free for the girls. Even on the days where the girls have to pay. They just tell the security "I have no money" and can enter for free. There is no other disco in the center which is so cheap.I guess we have different definition of "biches", normal women stay at home.
Kiev Freak
11-27-13, 22:56
In night clubs how you can meet girls? I try to make eyes contact before attempting to meet. But most&351; why they avoid to establish eyes contact. Some girls look your face and smiling and I can say they are p4p. You can go and try to meet with girls without any eyes contact?
I will go doctor to diagnose what I caught because I took some antibiotics but it didn't help. I don't like condomed BJ and I love DATY. Sometimes this happens unfortunately.
i also want to second this. i like mongering, but i don't want to die for it. some std infections are nasty and eventually fatal. but i guess some guys can't be rescued, the really bad thing about it is they make life for the rest of us so much more dangerous. because you can't always be 110% sure to avoid risk. i guess what i'm saying is, be sensible and stop spreading disease!
another matter makes no sense to me: going to disco in a foreign country where you don't speak the language to find prostitutes. you know, p4p. i know they are there. but it is more sensible to go to brothels. or search mamba "looking for sex". i think i am not exposing any top secret when i point out the fkk clubs in germany are practical in every way. you don't even have to make eye-contact there to be dead-sure that the girl will come and fuck if you as her. but going to disco with this frame of mind will not help you.
in the kyivian disco i want to enjoy the scenery, and dream about being some decades younger in age. i want to scan and search for likeable girls, talk and have fun and look for it if some are amiable and nice and soft speaking. i like to go through the motions, and eventually have gfe, if i'm lucky. which i can repeat, and possibly even, with confidence that there is no, correction: low risk of std. of course i don't score model-like teenagers (unless they are p4p girls, which i sometimes do) , only nice, fit and friendly women (remembering, many women in the discos hate sex-tourists) who love sex. but i cannot be sure about my success every night. twenty-something, thirty-something russian speaking hunks in nice outfit might be, but i'm only nice and generous.
also, searching mamba for prostitutes makes little sense. why would they put up a real photo there? so their family and friends can see their real job (or extra-job)? no, mamba is a dating site for real people searching a real partner. so, when a girl wants a vip from me, it is because she needs it in order to be able to filter out all the out-dated sex tourists, who are looking for sex only / mainly, when all they seek for is one solid fellow, around her age, to start a family with. so, if we start throwing around indecent offers about sex for money, they can complain, and if they despise it, they will do it and have our profile blocked. so don't destroy mamba and defile it with your brain-disease that this is a p4p agency. there are friendly escort sites to be googled and contacted, which don't mind if you are young or old, funny or rude, russian speaking or not, metro or mod or multikulti. there are sex-workers and agencies on mamba, but their photos and profiles are mostly fake (speaking from my experience only). so, complaining about this indicates your sex-navigator needs calibrating for kievskaya devouschka finding (forgive my bad spelling!).
vodkabar was always nice in my opinion. young people, friendly staff (but not all english-speaking). in summer i could negotiate table downstairs to 100$, but it was also on a weekda, so they probably were glad to have me. but instead if impressing the right people there, all i got was an offer for paid sex. i later wished i had accepted, cause it was my last night!
i still don't get it how someone can define cof as a physical pleasure, when this is without a definitive physical contact. you can repeat pleasure as long as you want, this psychological to me. which does not mean it is less pleasant. especially if the girl is off-guard! same applies to cim, in my humble opinion. but everybody is free to repeat the opposite (still nonsense to me).
i really don't know why i am writing this rant, for you who don't read the forum anyway. i guess it's because kf's photos made me miss kiev.
for a speedy return for us all, roll buzz.
totally agree with you. the only time i go bareback with a girl in kiev with normal girls that take sometimes 3-4 dates and yes even that is still risky.
for straight p4p girls who have a lot more mileage on them. it is simply insane not to use protection.
Kiev Freak
11-28-13, 10:33
Anyone use travelgirls. Com in Kiev? It works really?
Epicurious
11-28-13, 16:00
I can give a VK girl contact now that I not talking to her anymore. She is not strictly P4P, you have to tell her your offering a "modelling assignment" for a weekend. LOL.
Be clear your staying in the same apartment.
$500 should be good enough.
http://vk.com/alla_blondyI checked her Facebook page she says she is in a relationship.
Is she moonlighting?
You know this gal that calls herself Sofi Dancer? She advertises on different websites. Anybody?
YellowPaul
11-28-13, 22:03
I checked her Facebook page she says she is in a relationship.
Is she moonlighting?
You know this gal that calls herself Sofi Dancer? She advertises on different websites. Anybody?
I still have a bit of contact with her. She told she's in Italy now but coming back soon.
Relationship? LOL
All depends who gives her a better offer I guess, as is typical of these girls who know the value of their beauty. I don't know any Sofi.
YellowPaul
11-28-13, 23:41
You know this gal that calls herself Sofi Dancer? She advertises on different websites. Anybody?I cannot PM you. Can you post the FB or other links where you say she goes by Sofi Dancer?
I could find nothing.
I know her as Alla.
A while ago someone took the trouble of making a detailed map of the clubs in Kiev on google maps and was kind enough to post it on the board. I had it on one of my old devices
That I lost. Can anyone guide to that post or the author of that wonderful map?Https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=m&source=embed&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=210165396771676132185.0004c24520d27ec93c8ca
I can't remenber exactly where Sophia comes from but I remember she was living and studying in Kiev. If she left the club that is a pitty she was very beutiful. Apart from her how is the club scenes nowadays I mean the quality of the girls what is your opinion.Sophia doesn't work as a dancer anymore, rich ukrainian boyfriend
How is the ground situation in Kiev? Safe for foreign visitors? What do you think of the upheaval going on?
Ciao.
Misc
How is the ground situation in Kiev? Safe for foreign visitors? What do you think of the upheaval going on?
Ciao.
MiscNot safe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2tjGfoS5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tINXb8cWIwk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dI2HYBfgXY#t=27
I got some information from friends in Kiev and they say that the situation changes every day. If it stays like now, it's not a problem to come to Kiev but if not. Of course you shouldn't book a hotel / apartment near Kreshatik / Maidan and not near Place Micael. Another point is that they might do a curfew! That wouldn't be nice as well. Another friend told me that Rio is closed for renovation? Can anyone confirm?
How is the ground situation in Kiev? Safe for foreign visitors? What do you think of the upheaval going on?
Ciao.
MiscJust a matter of short time beore this little Volodias soldier signing the deal with EU criminals. All will be fine, and people there will continue to live in a dream that EU will do anything good for them.
Forgeting that first people have to change. This might be even perfect time to travel to Kiev
GuyThatLikesStuf
12-02-13, 19:00
Not safe.I was just in Kiev last week and felt safe the entire time. I went to Buddha Bar. Which is right by the epicenter. Everything was fine. However, I did not find many girls out and about in the normal locations. D'lux was a total bust.
Just a matter of short time beore this little Volodias soldier signing the deal with EU criminals. All will be fine, and people there will continue to live in a dream that EU will do anything good for them.
Forgeting that first people have to change. This might be even perfect time to travel to KievTomux. You are right on the money. Muddy, I saw those videos before from yesterday. My sources in different parts of ukraine actually indicate this is a Kiev only phenomenon and mostly concentrated in Kiev center. Good time to travel yes, if the protests die down.
Ciao
Soggy Jocks
12-03-13, 05:57
This site allows for an expression of most sexual desires. However, it is a puzzle to me that guys could come all this way to Kiev just for a massage and hand job or what is sometimes referred to as a "rub & tug." They can get this from nice Russian or Ukrainian (or Oriental) ladies at home for a lot cheaper. There is such a concentration of prime stunning and beautiful talent here, all ready and willing, that you can meet most anywhere, from club and bar pickups to pros, for a night or a week of pleasure, that massage parlors are just not on my radar screen. I know you can occasionally get full sex services in massage parlors here but it is very hit or miss and most of the time you will need to speak Russian in order to obtain such "favors."
Most of my ladies are non-pros, those I meet at business functions or through local friends or just sitting around in bars or restaurants. However, sometimes I just want to indulge and enjoy sampling the local professionals.
Few would ever imagine that if you came to Kiev, you could spend time with a porn actress. She has been in about five or so Sineplex productions under the name of Yana.
She is quite a wild handful. Her name is Inga and her web site is...Does anyone have photos of this Inga. Its a long shot but I'd to try to track her down if she's till working. There are several Yana's who appeared in Sineplex movies at around the same time.
Thanks in advance.
SJ
Kiev Freak
12-05-13, 09:35
I cancelled my trip for this weekend because of protests. I afraid may be a curfew. Hope next weekend all will be ok. I only go for 1 day. Saturday arrival and Sunday back and protests is pick at sundays. I am confused.
Still no curfews in town. Doesn't look like it right now but can change any minute if the protests are going violent again.
Rio is open, I called them and all is fine. So I guess all other clubs open as well as usual.
Right now there is a big OSCE ministerial event, so big hotels are all packed with poiticians and traffic must be like hell due the official corteges.
And of course due to the demonstration the traffic at all in the city center is more than worse.
I fly tomorrow to Kiev if my cold is not getting worse, so will let know soon more about it.
I cancelled my trip for this weekend because of protests. I afraid may be a curfew. .Wonder how long this shit will last, stay away from RIO, its a money burner, $300 3 hours, who gives a shit if the girl doesn't do bbbj ... by the time you go there and bring a girl home you have spend over $400 for covered blow job... i did manage to get rose/rosie's phone number she looks like katerina zeta jones, dont have to go there if i want to meet
Hi everyone,
I decided to go ahead with a preplanned trip to Kiev as the protests seemed to be quite peaceful in the last few days. I also checked with some contacts in Kiev and they told me that the protests (and any likely trouble consequentially) are focused in 2 locations in the center. The rest of the city is fine. I was told to stay away from Maidan (Independence Square) and parts of Kreschatik near the square, so I booked an apartment on Basseina near Arena City. So far so good. Everything on this side of town seems normal and peaceful. Lets hope it stays that way!
I don't know how the bars and clubs will be, but will go out tonight and let everyone know.
In case anyone else is in town and wants to hit the town together tonight, drop me a message.
Sal
Kiev Freak
12-06-13, 17:05
What is happening in Kiev? Still protests? I talked with girls. They say all ok. People keep on their life regularly, going work, metro work.. etc. They said there are protests but it doesn't create a safety risk. Girls say "come to Kiev all ok" but of course they want their sponsor. I don't know whether it is good idea to go. I am planning to fly next week but still confused. People say unless you join in protests you will be safe. I stay mainly in kreshatic. Maybe this time stay out of center and I will be ok? BASSEYNA or besserabska ok to stay to avoid protest? I mainly spend time around kreshatic but if I go, this time I need to spend my time other place. Also I afraid about my return ticket because I must fly back Sunday and protests pick at sundays. I am so confused.
Kiev Freak
12-07-13, 23:49
Hi Sal, exactly think same to book flat at bessberska or baseina. What is the last situation? All ok?
Kiev Freak
12-08-13, 11:04
Doesn't matter I already bought my ticket and booked a flat on baseina prospekt. I have blacckberry phone which operator I need to buy for internet access of (BIS)? Last time I stay a flat at kreshatc but all street there was a internet blackout for 2 days and I used roaming service to translate message. I paid 200$ for this only in 2 days. Now I found a company in Kiev ent a cellphone daily. I use my local simcard with this phone and buy a ukrain simcard probably MCT for blackberry internet access.
Any suggestions on what bars / clubs are good on Sunday night generally. And for p4p action?
Hi Sal, exactly think same to book flat at bessberska or baseina. What is the last situation? All ok?KF and everyone else,
It's all cool in Kiev. The protests are peaceful and almost a concert / party atmosphere. There are a lot of police around but they are keeping their distance and not interfering with the protests. The epicenter for the protests is Maidan (Independence Square) but most of Kreschatik is blocked. However, pretty easy to get around that. I would not recommend staying at a flat near Kreschatik (it's noisy, road blocked off, and mobile data services shutdown in a few block radius) , but everywhere else is normal.
All bars and clubs are open and with normal crowds. I found Buddha Bar and D'Lux to be not as full as usual. With regular or working girls, but most other places were packed and happening on Friday and Saturday night, especially Bar Sky and Decadence.
So, as of tonight, I would say its safe to come to Kiev. No issues whatsoever. And the usual fun to be had.
Of course, with Yanukovich now back in the country, the risk is that he might try to shut down the protest in some way or another. Including enforcing curfew, but every local person I've talked to doesn't think that will happen. Yanukovich is likely to let the protests lose steam in the cold. Any forced action by the government is likely to backfire.
Sal
DoctorOral
12-09-13, 16:51
Licking pussy my sex ignitor. Really I can't start without it. If she orgasm, I want to feel her shaking while keeping up my "lizat"I guess you are just like me, bro! .
Kiev Freak
12-09-13, 21:10
About ambrazura and Rakuena :
Their staff doesn't talk english. How you can communicate with them? They both works only reservation system and what will happen if I go without reservation? Or how I can order girls to my flat?
And night clubs :
In night clubs how you can meet girls? I try to make eyes contact before attempting to meet. But mostly, they avoid to establish eyes contact. Some girls look your face and smiling and I can easily understand they are p4p. But this is passive mongership. I want to be active. You can go and try to meet with girls without any eyes contact?
I guess you are just like me, bro! .KF and DO,
I agree. Nothing like making a girl cum by going down on them.
About ambrazura and Rakuena :
Their staff doesn't talk english. How you can communicate with them? They both works only reservation system and what will happen if I go without reservation? Or how I can order girls to my flat?
And night clubs :
In night clubs how you can meet girls? I try to make eyes contact before attempting to meet. But mostly, they avoid to establish eyes contact. Some girls look your face and smiling and I can easily understand they are p4p. But this is passive mongership. I want to be active. You can go and try to meet with girls without any eyes contact?KF,
I've never been to Ambrazura, but been several times to Rakuena. And managed to find someone who spoke a little English. I've always had an excellent experience there and once even got a girls number and met her outside for more fun.
Sal
KF and everyone else,
It's all cool in Kiev. The protests are peaceful and almost a concert / party atmosphere. There are a lot of police around but they are keeping their distance and not interfering with the protests. The epicenter for the protests is Maidan (Independence Square) but most of Kreschatik is blocked. However, pretty easy to get around that. I would not recommend staying at a flat near Kreschatik (it's noisy, road blocked off, and mobile data services shutdown in a few block radius) , but everywhere else is normal.
All bars and clubs are open and with normal crowds. I found Buddha Bar and D'Lux to be not as full as usual. With regular or working girls, but most other places were packed and happening on Friday and Saturday night, especially Bar Sky and Decadence.
So, as of tonight, I would say its safe to come to Kiev. No issues whatsoever. And the usual fun to be had.
Of course, with Yanukovich now back in the country, the risk is that he might try to shut down the protest in some way or another. Including enforcing curfew, but every local person I've talked to doesn't think that will happen. Yanukovich is likely to let the protests lose steam in the cold. Any forced action by the government is likely to backfire.
SalSo, the situation in Kiev could worsen after tomorrow. Today was very normal and peaceful, but there are reports of thousands more troops being called into Kiev from elsewhere and that Yanukovich may confront protesters with force. Tomorrow's meeting with opposition party and protest leaders will be key. Please watch the news carefully for what may happen in the next few days. BBC's coverage has been pretty accurate on what's going on with the protests. Though the vast majority of the city has been completely normal.
DoctorOral
12-10-13, 11:52
Dear freak,
Yes, I appreciate all you advise and comments here. And would like to actively exchange some contacts with you. But really. You ask how to flirt with girls here? That is soooo untrue! Please be yourself. And win!
About ambrazura and Rakuena :
Their staff doesn't talk english. How you can communicate with them? They both works only reservation system and what will happen if I go without reservation? Or how I can order girls to my flat?
And night clubs :
In night clubs how you can meet girls? I try to make eyes contact before attempting to meet. But mostly, they avoid to establish eyes contact. Some girls look your face and smiling and I can easily understand they are p4p. But this is passive mongership. I want to be active. You can go and try to meet with girls without any eyes contact?
Kiev Freak
12-10-13, 15:26
Hi Sal.
,
Please keep us updated! I am there Friday!
Hi Doctor
It sounds like strange but Kiev is not Thailand and all girls are not available for p4p. Mostly tjhey refused, demand high $ or even avoid to answer. I a 32 yo but girls in clubs are hate from sex tourist. It is not easy to to find a girl at affordable price.
Yes hard to find. Yes, consumes time. Yes, need effort. But when you find your anal princess, your dick will be happy)
I am not famn of stip clubs. 300 $ (almost 500$ including your expenses in club) for 3 hour covered BJ and no DATY is not ideal if I travel to other country for sex.
PS : your Katya demanded 300$ for 1 hour )) did you give this price ? this girl is a ripoff , pal . I never pay more than 100$ for 1 hour but 150-200 $ for 2-3 hours or overnight. I believe even 100$/h is high but it is ok for me. 300$/h is a real ripoff for a mamba girl especially.
DoctorOral
12-10-13, 15:31
A little strange but I would not consider Kiev the paradise for sex tourism.
I think they all are available, with less or more money, and less and more effort.
This is my experience in ukraine for the last 18 years. As sex tourist, there is
Places in the world where you can hit quicker, cheaper, and with more variety.
Hi Sal.
,
Please keep us updated! I am there Friday!
Hi Doctor
It sounds like strange but Kiev is not Thailand and all girls are not available for p4p. Mostly tjhey refused, demand high $ or even avoid to answer. I a 32 yo but girls in clubs are hate from sex tourist. It is not easy to to find a girl at affordable price.
Yes hard to find. Yes, consumes time. Yes, need effort. But when you find your anal princess, your dick will be happy)
I am not famn of stip clubs. 300 $ (almost 500$ including your expenses in club) for 3 hour covered BJ and no DATY is not ideal if I travel to other country for sex.
Kiev Freak
12-11-13, 10:23
I am not sure still it is s good idea to be in Kiev at fridauy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25328311
I already bought ticket and booked flat but I started to be afraid abouyt protests (
Please information about kiev. It is safe or not now ?
Kiev Freak
12-11-13, 11:29
Contactas in k&351; iev says me 2 million people will go to k&305; ev center weekend all transporting can be locked. Metro doesn't work properly people said. And police started to attack on protests. I don't know I should go or nto. Already paid more than 500usd for tickets and flat. Some girls say they will not come to me weekend because they afraid to go out of their home. (what a pity
I wonder what are you afraid of? Foreigners are met like heroes at Maidan. And you are traveling to show your support to Ukraine.
People that are standing there get money and food, for that they need to show true passion for they country and for the rest of the world. Forget BBC coverage of protests in Kiev. This is international politics and EU is just one side of the story.
It might be not that convinient to stay in Kiev right now, but heyy you will see part of the history With Your own eyes.
I am not sure still it is s good idea to be in Kiev at fridauy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25328311
I already bought ticket and booked flat but I started to be afraid abouyt protests (
Please information about Kiev. It is safe or not now?Http://www.kyivpost.com/
contactas in k&351; iev says me 2 million people will go to k&305; ev center weekend all transporting can be locked. metro doesn't work properly people said. and police started to attack on protests. i don't know i should go or nto. already paid more than 500usd for tickets and flat. some girls say they will not come to me weekend because they afraid to go out of their home. (what a pitykf and everyone else,
all day yesterday there was a much larger police / military presence all over kiev. in the night the police tried to and succeeded in getting through the blockades that had been setup by the protestors. the police did not use any force but just pushed through the barricades and tried to break them down. by the morning a lot of people / protestors showed up and and the police backed off. by the end of the day the police had completely disappeared. they are afraid of the people. i don't think the police is going to try and use force again. but obviously i can't be sure. maidan is once again full of protestors and once again it's a concert like atmosphere. i've been there on sunday. when there were approx. 200, 000 people there. i was also there today also when there were probably 20,000 people. the atmosphere is the same. lots of singing and dancing, and speeches, including many speeches by americans and europeans.
at no point in the last few days have i felt unsafe or not been able to get to where i wanted. there were big delays with taxis and road traffic on tuesday in the day but that was due to snow on monday night and tuesday. a couple of girls that were coming to my apartment were very late but they did show up. no girl i talked to said no to coming to my apartment. also, as of today the metro is working fine. caveat: this is what i've heard as i hardly use the metro in kiev.
buddha bar has been dead all the nights i visited. d'lux is also suffering as both these places are closer to maidan and as a result suffering. i imagine patipa would be the same. but places around arena city have all been normal though sunday / monday / tuesday most places are closed. rio had a lot of hot girls on monday night and the high end karaoke places like just cafe and serebero were all crowded too. with lots of single girls around.
kf, if you're going for just one day and absolutely have to be back after 1 day, then maybe it's not worth the risk. if you don't mind being delayed by a day (in my opinion that's the worst that can happen) or you're concerned about general safety, i would say don't worry as i found kiev to be safer than usual in the last few days.
i'm headed back to london tomorrow morning. will let you know if anything changes tonight.
sal
Kiev Freak
12-12-13, 17:03
Pal I'm in Kiev tomorrow. Hope all will be good.
http://postum-main.livejournal.com/442815.html
Here is a good picture report of downtown, mainly Kreschatik street. Looks terrible. I wouldn't visit Kiev now. I usually live on Mikhaylovskaya street and walk around Kreschatik a lot. Now everything is blocked. Right now, if someone wants to visit, try to stay away from downtown, but then there's not much to see. Main activities, bars, restaurants, sightseeing is over there.
DoctorOral
12-12-13, 23:36
Don't speak about things you know from press only.
Come and see for yourself. Yes, things are blocked and ripped apart, but not soo different from the usual. Caos.
http://postum-main.livejournal.com/442815.html
Here is a good picture report of downtown, mainly Kreschatik street. Looks terrible. I wouldn't visit Kiev now. I usually live on Mikhaylovskaya street and walk around Kreschatik a lot. Now everything is blocked. Right now, if someone wants to visit, try to stay away from downtown, but then there's not much to see. Main activities, bars, restaurants, sightseeing is over there.
Don't speak about things you know from press only.
Come and see for yourself. Yes, things are blocked and ripped apart, but not soo different from the usual. Caos.From media only? This report is from a guy who has lived in Kiev for 35 years. He is fed up like all normal people.
And what do you mean not so different? I spend majority of time on Kreschatik street when I visit. Can I do it now? No.
Of course I can stay near Rio and go there and pay $300 but I was talking about Kreschatik and activity there.
And press LOL Press in Ukraine now wants to only show this so called "revolution", if I want to know the truth I need to ask my friends in Kiev, not the press. Poka.
DoctorOral
12-13-13, 14:24
If your sad mongering life is limited to walking up and down Kreshatik, I think its not worth being there. On the other hand, good for me, the girls need to see the bad guys to appreciate and love the good ones like me. Yeah, please wait until the craziness is over, and when back, pick up the bitches on the benches on Kreshatik again. Good plan.
From media only? This report is from a guy who has lived in Kiev for 35 years. He is fed up like all normal people.
And what do you mean not so different? I spend majority of time on Kreschatik street when I visit. Can I do it now? No.
Of course I can stay near Rio and go there and pay $300 but I was talking about Kreschatik and activity there.
And press LOL Press in Ukraine now wants to only show this so called "revolution", if I want to know the truth I need to ask my friends in Kiev, not the press. Poka.
Kiev Freak
12-14-13, 10:36
I stay at baseina. Came yesterday. All normal here. 6 girls visited me. Even I didn't step out outisde. Ony I went billi market. Girls come as usual. All normal. Bessberska normal. I didn't visit kreshatic or maidan. Didn't go nght clubs. I don't like also Rio, almost 400-5000$ for a condomed BJ and without DATY.
Friday, I had 5 visitors during dayy from noun until evening and total damage was 550. Last girls came as duo. All bbby. All DATY. Anal was possible one of them. 19 yo girl. Now I have a that with a normal girl.
Don't afraid to come here. All ok.
Ps. Yesterday a girl told me she would come in 1 hour by taxi. I asked why. She said because she came out of city. But it is crazy 1 hour by taxi no metro or bus. I said I will pay for taxi? She said yes, if you want. And want to meet in cafe. I didn't accept and invited to my flat, she refused. So we didn't meet. Maybe she was good girl. Maybe not I don't know. But my with didn't allow to meet with her.
Kiev Freak
12-14-13, 20:40
A bad news. Rakuena closed permanently because of problem with milita. Now sister company 5rooms is running. Today went maidan and kreshatic. Nothing dangerous. All ok.
Kiev Freak
12-14-13, 22:42
Very tired, order a massage from dolly. Waiting for her. An interesting cirrumstance :
A mamba girl, we talked 2-3 times maybe. About terms."minet biz condom, anal ok?" etc. She come to my flat. great Sex. anal, daty, bbbj and cim. after that, I gave her money. She smiled and said" I don't come for money". Refused to money. Kiss me. Said see you later and went. I am surprised!
A bad news. Rakuena closed permanently because of problem with milita. Now sister company 5rooms is running. Today went maidan and kreshatic. Nothing dangerous. All ok.This place close because no business.
I wonder what are you afraid of? Foreigners are met like heroes at Maidan. And you are traveling to show your support to Ukraine.Ha Ha! You make good joke. They hate foreigners, especially single guys over 40. No place in Europe with more angry people.
I stay at baseina. Came yesterday. All normal here. 6 girls visited me. Even I didn't step out outisde. Ony I went billi market. Girls come as usual. All normal. Bessberska normal. I didn't visit kreshatic or maidan. Didn't go nght clubs. I don't like also Rio, almost 400-5000$ for a condomed BJ and without DATY.
Friday, I had 5 visitors during dayy from noun until evening and total damage was 550. Last girls came as duo. All bbby. All DATY. Anal was possible one of them. 19 yo girl. Now I have a that with a normal girl.
Don't afraid to come here. All ok.
Ps. Yesterday a girl told me she would come in 1 hour by taxi. I asked why. She said because she came out of city. But it is crazy 1 hour by taxi no metro or bus. I said I will pay for taxi? She said yes, if you want. And want to meet in cafe. I didn't accept and invited to my flat, she refused. So we didn't meet. Maybe she was good girl. Maybe not I don't know. But my with didn't allow to meet with her.You must be very good looking guy or complete liar.
All bars and clubs are open and with normal crowds. I found Buddha Bar and D'Lux to be not as full as usual. With regular or working girls, but most other places were packed and happening on Friday and Saturday night, especially Bar Sky and Decadence.BB, don't go this place. D'Lux good if you want to dance with man. Sky Bar and Decadence, only go if you no older than early thirties-girls pretty but won't talk to foreigners.
Of course I can stay near Rio and go there and pay $300 but I was talking about Kreschatik and activity there.Very difficult to find worse deal in Europe. This place soon like Rakuena.
I stay at baseina. Came yesterday. All normal here. 6 girls visited me. Even I didn't step out outisde. Ony I went billi market. Girls come as usual. All normal. Bessberska normal. I didn't visit kreshatic or maidan. Didn't go nght clubs. I don't like also Rio, almost 400-5000$ for a condomed BJ and without DATY.
Friday, I had 5 visitors during dayy from noun until evening and total damage was 550. Last girls came as duo. All bbby. All DATY. Anal was possible one of them. 19 yo girl. Now I have a that with a normal girl.
Don't afraid to come here. All ok.
Ps. Yesterday a girl told me she would come in 1 hour by taxi. I asked why. She said because she came out of city. But it is crazy 1 hour by taxi no metro or bus. I said I will pay for taxi? She said yes, if you want. And want to meet in cafe. I didn't accept and invited to my flat, she refused. So we didn't meet. Maybe she was good girl. Maybe not I don't know. But my with didn't allow to meet with her.Sounds like you are doing quite well with girls from mamba, in terms of quantity of girls, quality of service, and low cost. I can relate to your statement about not even getting out of your apartment, because you were busy having sex all day. LOL.
What was the quality and level of beauty like for the 5 mamba girls? Having good sex for low cost is an achievement. However, were you lucky enough to get to a high level of beauty with your mamba investigations? Although it costs more, this is the reason guys turn to nightclubs and / or strip clubs. To be able to see the girls before choosing. And to be able to choose the very best looking girls. That way you can get to a top level beauty immediately, and don't have to wait until you get one by chance through mamba dating. So how was your mamba luck on this trip?
By the way, there is no reason for you to be paying $400. $500 at a place like Rio. I usually go in there and pay the 100 UAH admission, and order a pot of green tea, and the like, which doesn't cost much. I guess you could splurge on yourself with a lot of higher priced drinks for yourself, but there is no need to. And when it comes to spending on the ladies, it is not necessary to take many private dances with many different girls. If you enjoy doing it, that's another thing. But it is not necessary to the process of finding a good girl for take out to do private dances with very many of the girls. Only the one you have already vetted through having conversation with her at your table, and have come to the conclusion that she is very good for you, and there is a good chemistry between you, and you decide it is important to take one additional step before choosing her and asking her if she would like to come home with you. You may be able to reach that conclusion without the private dance, but the dance often helps. So unless you are spending money just for fun, on private dances, when I am focussed on finding a girl for take out, I generally get a bill somewhere between $50-$100. So for the most part a $400 total (including the $300 take out fee) is more the norm.
Also around 50% of the time my experience has been that a BBBJ is given, and only a few girls ever refused DATY, and most enjoyed it. So your experience is different than mine at Rio.
In my reporting about take out dates from Rio that I have had, I made sure to point out all the times that a girl from Rio did not provide BBBJ, and also when DATY was not permitted. I can think of only three girls, out of all the many, many girls that I have taken out from Rio, that had an issue with DATY. Only one did not permit it. A second one permitted it only with protection being used, and this was only in our initial dates, because subsequently she allowed normal DATY, and the third said she was overly sensitive in her clit and had never been able to enjoy oral sex, but she permitted me to do it, and it soon became obvious to me that she had some mental block, or issue with it, and was truly not enjoying it. These are the only three I can remember that had any issue with DATY. All the rest of the girls I tried, allowed and enjoyed DATY. The issue can be discussed in advance with a girl while still at the club before taking her out. However, there is some logic that says that even a girl who would say no when asked in advance, would have probably done it in the heat of passion. So it is probably better not to ask about it, and just do it.
So statistically, the more relevant concern is not so much DATY, but rather whether you will get BBBJ or not with a particular girl you take out of a strip club, or from any nightclub. You also don't know in advance if any girl from an Internet website, including mamba, will give you BBBJ. The issue affects all p4p girls across the board, no matter what source or venue you got the girl from, whether it is a p4p girl from nightclub D'lux, or from mamba, or from Rio. One solution to this question, is to ask in advance if she will give a BBBJ or not, and only take her if she says yes. Or you can decide not to ask in advance and hope for the best in the heat of passion, and take a gamble. Sometimes you win the gamble, and sometimes not.
I think it leaves a false impression to state that you get a BBBJ from a girl from mamba, but you would not get BBBJ from a girl from Rio. The chances of getting BBBJ from the girls are statistically similar from each source.
So, if you only took girls from mamba who you asked in advance whether they provide BBBJ and they said yes, you could follow the same procedure with nightclub girls or strip club girls, and only take home those that said yes, and your results will be similar.
LJ
Sex business in Kiev change fast. Two years ago, Gia escorts 50/50 blowjob without condom. Now almost all give blowjob without condom. Only way to make money. Normal sex man never accept BJ with condom.
You must be very good looking guy or complete liar.Why do you think he has to be a good looking guy, in order to summon an outcall prostitute to come to his flat to fuck?
Sorry, but for a guy with enough libido to fuck 5 women in a day, it is very doable to summon that many prostitutes to come, guys routinely fuck girls seriatum over the span of a full day visit, I myself have done up to four girls in FKK's in a shorter time span, and your doubts are probably misplaced.
I stay at baseina. Came yesterday. All normal here. 6 girls visited me. Even I didn't step out outisde. Ony I went billi market. Girls come as usual. All normal. Bessberska normal. I didn't visit kreshatic or maidan. Didn't go nght clubs. I don't like also Rio, almost 400-5000$ for a condomed BJ and without DATY.
Friday, I had 5 visitors during dayy from noun until evening and total damage was 550. Last girls came as duo. All bbby. All DATY. Anal was possible one of them. 19 yo girl. Now I have a that with a normal girl.
Don't afraid to come here. All ok.
Ps. Yesterday a girl told me she would come in 1 hour by taxi. I asked why. She said because she came out of city. But it is crazy 1 hour by taxi no metro or bus. I said I will pay for taxi? She said yes, if you want. And want to meet in cafe. I didn't accept and invited to my flat, she refused. So we didn't meet. Maybe she was good girl. Maybe not I don't know. But my with didn't allow to meet with her.KF. I sent you pm with request for mamba profile links of girls you met.
Ciao.
Misc
Very difficult to find worse deal in Europe. This place soon like Rakuena.Why do you say that? If you do the adjustments and calculations to be able to compare things accurately, you will find that the cost of sex with girls from a Kiev strip club like Rio, is about similar to the cost for the same duration of sex session in one of the big Frankfurt FKK's like Palace or Oase, universally regarded as quite worth the money.
I will illustrate, so you can see better what I mean. The cost of taking out a girl from a Kiev strip club like Rio is well known. There is a $300 take out fee, which gets you three hours with the girl. Three hours of sex at an FKK would cost 75euro entrance plus 300 euro for 3 hours with a girl, which totals 375 euro, or $515 USD, far more than the cost at Rio. But we need to make certain adjustments to these raw numbers for the comparison to be more accurate. For example, the time in the session room at an FKK is entirely available for actual sex, since the two of you arrive in the session room already showered and "ready to go", although one may spend time talking there too. By contrast, when taking a girl out from Rio time must be spent in traveling from the club to your apartment, as well as in showering. Therefore, not all of the three hours you get with a Rio "take out" date are available for sex. So to make the comparison of costs for sex more accurate, we must subtract the time spent on such non-sex matters as traveling and showering, from the three hours to arrive at the amount of actual "sex time" potentially available in a take out date from Rio. Traveling from the strip club in the waiting taxis to an apartment in any part of the downtown area should not take more than 10-15 minutes at most. And taking showers could account for another half hour or so from your allotted three hours of time. Perhaps having a drink and some chocolates with some nice conversation could take another 15 minutes or so. Therefore, for the sake if argument, let's say that between 45 minutes to an hour of time can get "wasted" on non-sex activities when doing a take out date from a strip club. So you only get about two hours of actual sex time with the girl in bed, or in the dining room table, when fucking a Rio girl.
So the more accurate comparison between the costs of sex at a Kiev strip club to the costs of the same amount of sex at a big FKK, should compare the three hour "take out" date from Rio, in which there is only about two hours of actual sex time, as explained, with the cost for two hours of sex at the FKK. With that adjustment, the "sex cost" comparison becomes a little more accurate. Two hours of sex at an FKK like Palace in Frankfurt will cost 75 euro entrance plus 200 euro for a two hour sex session, or a total of 275 euro, or $378 USD, which is nearly the same cost as the three hour "take out" date in the Kiev strip club.
So the fact is that the "deal" at the Kiev strip club, in terms of the pure costs of sex, are similar to, and not worse than the costs of a similar amount of sex time at an FKK, universally regarded as a good deal, for what you get. Often, the "deal" when dealing with a high class beauty at a Kiev nightclub is similar too.
These are not low cost "budget" options for sex. Rather, these are more luxury level splurges for sex with very beautiful girls. And therefore, not for everyone's budget or sex entertainment needs. But clearly the costs of this type if high end sex in Kiev's nightclubs or strip clubs, is not a worse deal in terms of pure cost than what it would cost for the same thing at the big FKK's of Germany or Austria.
It is of course true that it is possible to find females at various nightclubs or bars in Kiev, or from Internet websites like mamba, or escort websites like top-modals and others, for half the price, for the same two hours of sex time. But such girls often are on a lower level of beauty, or are not guaranteed to be like their pretty photos. So if guys want more certainty about getting a very beautiful girl, they go after such girls at the high end nightclubs, or at a strip club. Not all the girls in those places are real beauties, but some may be.
Nevertheless, for guys who are happy with regular girl next door types, and are thrilled to have sex with such girls because they are, hot, sexy and very accommodating, there is no need to go to a higher price range, and the $75 to $100 girls are perfectly adequate. And sometimes you can get to a girl for such low prices in Kiev who is actually quite good looking and of above average beauty too. And then it's a really good deal.
As to which is better, FKK's or Kiev nightclub or strip club girls, the debate goes back and forth. There are advantages in each side of the matter. In FKK's, for example, you can take much shorter sessions of only a half hour, and you are not required to do a two hour session of sex. Because of this, for the same cost for two hours of sex, you could possibly spread out the individual shorter half hour sessions over a whole day at the FKK, and get to fuck up to six different girls! So in terms of variety and number if girls and amount if times you can cum, obviously an FKK is the more flexible venue, because the take out date from the strip club only allows you to have sex with the one girl for those hours of the take out date. On the other hand, although many FKK girls are pretty hot, it is my impression that I can get to more beautiful girls in Kiev, than are available in FKK's. So I continue to enjoy going to FKK's as well as Kiev. Although, I have become much more involved in fucking mamba girls in my trips over the last year, because I found some girls that way who were beautiful enough. So I only do the strip club thing sporadically and infrequently.
Why do you think he has to be a good looking guy, in order to summon an outcall prostitute to come to his flat to fuck?Sorry, I reply to guys wrong post after reading. He say Mamba girl come to his apartment and refuse money. I say different way. He either very good looking or very charming or just liar.
If your sad mongering life is limited to walking up and down Kreshatik, I think its not worth being there. On the other hand, good for me, the girls need to see the bad guys to appreciate and love the good ones like me. Yeah, please wait until the craziness is over, and when back, pick up the bitches on the benches on Kreshatik again. Good plan.Hey, you break forum rule! I like Kiev but this is bad time to visit. Very disrespectful to protesters. They freeze, go hungry, and take chance to get head broken and you come and fuck their women in nice warm place. Not cool!
DoctorOral
12-15-13, 19:54
Looking like you 4got me in your PMgame. Send me some, I can 'pay back'.
KF. I sent you pm with request for mamba profile links of girls you met.
Ciao.
Misc
Kiev Freak
12-15-13, 22:42
Guys I just came back I will reply all
Kiev Freak
12-17-13, 19:05
Hey,
I arrived to flat Friday about 14. The first girl I planned to meet didn't come on time. I met with another one and arrived within 30 minute. She was an accountant. 150 cm and 47 kg. Real skinny girl. Good service. Bareback. But no anal. 6/10 but hot and enjoy to fuck. A good toy in bed.
After that I contacted other girl she come quickly, inside 1 hour. She was also good. Slightly chubby. 8/10. Stundenka. No anal. First was cold, even didn't want kiss. But after some whiskey she started to warm up. And after DATY, she was hotter and let all except anal.
Then I called a sponsored girl who I met before 1 month. Quickly she came. Damaged 200$ for 3-4 hours. She is a model. Also wanted to come my home where istanbul. I kindly refused, don't want stay with a semi pro for several days.
After she went, I ate somethings and invited another one. She came with her friend. She was ugly. 140 cm / 40 kg. But her friend was a 8, blondika. Her friend said "I only make anal, she make classik". After we drink, they started to kiss and slightly licking each other pussy but not a real lesbi show. 150$ for 2 hours. For both.
Next DATY, the freebee came I mentioned below. After her, I met a regular girl but she didnt give me sex. Only excursion together and had a dinner in restaurant. And then massage I ordered. 2 girls from 5rooms. Please try roksalana! Absolutely a 9! Very beautiful, slim and tall girl. I wanted DATY but refused. 90 min massage for about 1200 uah with 2 girls. I also ordered a massage from dolly, girl charged 800uah but I didn't like massage, although she was a 7.
Next day was my last day. Send several messages to my contacts. A girl said she could come in 15 minute. Really she came. 6/10. Chubby. But 10 in bed. Anal. Deepthroat. Cim. Massage. And another sex. Cost was 150$ for 3 hours. She invited me her home next time. I kindly refused. She was very kind girl.
I didn't visit night clubs or stip clubs neither.
PS : Please buy an ukrainian number if you want to invite mamba girl. They will not reply you usually if yhou write from your foreign number because most time several message you need to send about terms, address, time etc and girls don't want you to send 10 sms to your foregin number. They are all broken already. All girls I met up had viber, skype or whatapp. Others didn't reply my own number. I couldn't buy a simcard because my number must open all time for business. Next time I will bring 2 separate cellphones and buy a sim card to make things easier.
Kiev is safe. Don't worry. All is ok there. Just don't go maidan or kreshatic late times of day. Enjoy Kiev!
Kiev is safe. Don't worry. All is ok there. Just don't go maidan or kreshatic late times of day. Enjoy Kiev!If you go Kiev, be extremely careful by the Arena City area on Friday and Saturday night. Young punks from provinces congregate there, get drunk, and often times get into the face of foreigners. Also, if you make the trip, keep in mind the mood of sex workers has basically been crushed.
Just wanted to share some inside information about Rio. It's managements intention to close down the club sometime in 2014. That's why the sister club was created so business could be moved out of center. A complete eyesore to the German embassy across the street and a shame to all of Kiev's visitors and locals. However, if this revolution gets a true footing, it might be able to stay open beyond 2014. So lets hope for a new family of political crooks so we can keep the tourist trap alive.
It's a pity if this is true. Kiev has gotten worse and worse over the last years but Rio was always (for me!) same level. I don't understand why the best clubs always close! First Ceyclone (Dubai) about 8 years ago, then River Boat (about 4 years ago) , then Rattlesnake (Dubai) about 2 years ago and now Rio. Hopefully they keep their 2 other clubs, otherwise no reason for me to come back.
Just wanted to share some inside information about Rio. It's managements intention to close down the club sometime in 2014. That's why the sister club was created so business could be moved out of center. A complete eyesore to the German embassy across the street and a shame to all of Kiev's visitors and locals. However, if this revolution gets a true footing, it might be able to stay open beyond 2014. So lets hope for a new family of political crooks so we can keep the tourist trap alive.
My connections have informed me that a lot of the sex workers have returned to the provinces due to the lack of business. The real workers of the business are exploring their options outside of Ukraine. I'm not sure why, but Poland and Hungary seem to be a destination and of course Russia. Strange, since they are poor countries.
On the plus side, more Ukrainians should be showing up in Europe.
I just wanted to share some advice about customs in Kiev. After dozens of trips, someone actually pulled me aside at the airport and made me count my cash money. It did not lead to any problems because I only had $3000 but it did [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. This ice princess Soviet relic did manage to put some fear in me that I was going to get ripped off.
Ronaldinjo
12-18-13, 19:38
Hello Leggio,
Where did you get this information from? What is the reason that they are closing? Is the decision final? What is the connection to recent political situation with it? Very pity if its true.
Kind regards.
For the time being, the militia is no longer cracking down on older guys walking around with sweet things. Sounds meaningless, but you can now look for dirty and dark places to make woopie late night after drinking in the clubs.
A bad news. Rakuena closed permanently because of problem with milita. Now sister company 5rooms is running. Today went maidan and kreshatic. Nothing dangerous. All ok.When will Rakuena open again? Or will they? I have been there sometimes and got very good service from Lina. I will go back to Kiev in January and would like to meet Lina again. Are there any who knowes what she is doing now and if it is possible to get in touch with her.
Have you guys noticed that girls have stopped sticking out their tongues in night club photos and signaling the v sign? Kiev's counter sexual culture is going the way of the dodo.
I just wanted to share some advice about customs in Kiev. After dozens of trips, someone actually pulled me aside at the airport and made me count my cash money. It did not lead to any problems because I only had $3000 but it did [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. This ice princess Soviet relic did manage to put some fear in me that I was going to get ripped off.The last 2 times I departed Kiev, right after I was done with security one of the officers there asked me how much I have with me, both times I said under 2K, he said ok, didn't ask to count my cash, because of this next time I travel to Kiev I will take less cash with me
and 2 times they ask me to just show them my money
The last 2 times I departed Kiev, right after I was done with security one of the officers there asked me how much I have with me, both times I said under 2K, he said ok, didn't ask to count my cash, because of this next time I travel to Kiev I will take less cash with me.
And 2 times they ask me to just show them my moneyYou can bring in / out of Ukraine up to 10 000 € without written declaration to the custom authorities.
Kiev Freak
12-19-13, 23:06
Hey Leggia, you try to say party is over in Kiev?
Hey Leggia, you try to say party is over in Kiev?It's Leggio with an o. Still a party, just not while protesters occupy the streets.
If you go Kiev, be extremely careful by the Arena City area on Friday and Saturday night. Young punks from provinces congregate there, get drunk, and often times get into the face of foreigners. Also, if you make the trip, keep in mind the mood of sex workers has basically been crushed.I don't understand. I would think this would be a buyer's market. You think otherwise?
You can bring in / out of Ukraine up to 10 000 € without written declaration to the custom authorities.I know but I still don't like the officer asking me and maybe making me count it, they should be glad foreigners visit UA and spend money, both times it was the same officer, in his 40s some gray hair
DoctorOral
12-20-13, 18:13
Not true.
I got caught a while ago near kreshatik. Not so nice. Spend some $$$ to get rid of very angy officers.
For the time being, the militia is no longer cracking down on older guys walking around with sweet things. Sounds meaningless, but you can now look for dirty and dark places to make woopie late night after drinking in the clubs.
Kiev Freak
12-21-13, 08:58
Not true.
I got caught a while ago near kreshatik. Not so nice. Spend some $$$ to get rid of very angy officers.What was the reason?
DoctorOral
12-21-13, 11:38
A very nice blowjob.
What was the reason?
Kiev Freak
12-21-13, 14:29
Very nice action.
In Kiev mostly I experienced passive mongership, waiting in room for girls and I started to be bored. Strip clubs are bad servcies and very expensive for their service. No anal no DATY + condomed BJ. Also night clubs scene I don't like, very expensive and not guarantee to find a nice p4p. For example, in st piter many brothels advertising in web including real photos and service. easy to find and ypu know wjho is waiting you in there before your arrival. And mostly girls are above 8. But their services in st piter are also not good, no DATY, no kissing, condomed BJ.
Very nice action.
In Kiev mostly I experienced passive mongership, waiting in room for girls and I started to be bored. Strip clubs are bad servcies and very expensive for their service. No anal no DATY + condomed BJ. Also night clubs scene I don't like, very expensive and not guarantee to find a nice p4p. For example, in st piter many brothels advertising in web including real photos and service. Easy to find and ypu know wjho is waiting you in there before your arrival. And mostly girls are above 8. But their services in st piter are also not good, no DATY, no kissing, condomed BJ.Number one reason mongers traveling to EE has declined-expensive boring sex with not so hot girls.
Hi guys,
Great site. Will be in Kiev from mid January and looking to meet hot girls for fun. Joined mamba too. If anyone can recommend any hot girls they have met, please pm me and I will return favour once I am in Kiev. Been to Kiev before as my ex gf was from Kiev but not been there mongering.
Cheers, Tom
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