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The Mercy Seat
12-25-13, 18:52
Well I was at Maidan today with my girlfriend. Not many people left there now. There are still some barricades, but you can easily pass them. Looks like the riots have calmed down. But not much are happening. They have closed the museums. Maybe because the lack of tourists.
Inga was without a doubt the best sex I've had in my life and that is saying a lot. The girl was a fuck crazed passionate sex machine. Truly amazing, this was back in 2007 I think. We used to email back and forth for a year or so then she dropped off the radar. Found a bf, sugar daddy or husband I would assume.
Does anyone have photos of this Inga. Its a long shot but I'd to try to track her down if she's till working. There are several Yana's who appeared in Sineplex movies at around the same time.
Thanks in advance.
SJ
What was the reason?I was also stopped by two policeman during the day some months ago, they wanted to see my passport which I had forgotten in my apartment, they then proceeded to search my jacket pocket. I had a small packet of mints and they insisted they were drugs. Then they offered me the choice of paying $20 or go to the station and be arrested even though I offered to go to my apartment and get my passport which was 5 minutes away.
By this stage I was starting to lose my patience with them, so I told them that I would rather be arrested than pay a bribe, as they were the ones breaking the law, I was certainly not in the country illegally and although I appreciate that I should carry my passport, it was an honest mistake.
All this was happening in the middle of Maiden square, a number of passer by stopped and started arguing with the police in Russian, so could not understand much but whatever they did tell the police, they decided to make a fast exit.
I was lucky that I was in the middle of a very central location and some good Samaritans stopped to help, furthermore the two policemen were much shorter than me which did help a bit. I really do not advice anyone to take the same course especially if it is your first time to Ukraine. I have travelled a lot in Eastern Europe and was reasonably confident that I could stand my ground, but if the circumstances were different I may well have reacted differently and taken the easy route paid and parted with some dollars.
However, hopefully these two policeman whoever they were will be more careful next time they approach a tourist and do the right thing, try to help tourist visiting their beautiful country to have a great experience and not abuse their position.
Inga was without a doubt the best sex I've had in my life and that is saying a lot. The girl was a fuck crazed passionate sex machine. Truly amazing, this was back in 2007 I think. We used to email back and forth for a year or so then she dropped off the radar. Found a bf, sugar daddy or husband I would assume.Looks like you are a guy that has taken lots of trips to Kiev. Are you still motivated to return every year?
well i was at maidan today with my girlfriend. not many people left there now. there are still some barricades, but you can easily pass them. looks like the riots have calmed down. but not much are happening. they have closed the museums. maybe because the lack of tourists.also just checked maidan square today, there is a large mix of protesters and locals out shopping or sightseeing, half of kreshatik street is covered with tents and protesters, but it is all very civilised. many of the locals seem to have decided to go for a stroll and check the place out, as at least half of the people in the area seem to be visitors checking out what is happening.
at no point did i feel threatened, the atmosphere is very friendly with some very good looking girls collecting money for the protesters.
i saw no police or security around kreshatik or maidan square, and although there are barricades to stop cars getting through, one can freely walk around the area via small gaps besides the barricades.
the weather is also perfect, no snow relatively warm and sunny, all bars, clubs etc seem to be open and busy so all looks pretty normal.
i would not suggest you stay anywhere near maidan square for now, only because things may change very rapidly and there is music and speeches going on all the time, which is ok if you are in the area for a short time but not to live nearby.
A police car on Bessarabska was parked in the triangle and 30 protesters arrived so the police man ran in to the car. They did a nice paint job on the car.
YellowPaul
12-29-13, 15:52
I was also stopped by two policeman during the day some months ago, they wanted to see my passport which I had forgotten in my apartment, they then proceeded to search my jacket pocket. I had a small packet of mints and they insisted they were drugs. Then they offered me the choice of paying $20 or go to the station and be arrested even though I offered to go to my apartment and get my passport which was 5 minutes away.
By this stage I was starting to lose my patience with them, so I told them that I would rather be arrested than pay a bribe, as they were the ones breaking the law, I was certainly not in the country illegally and although I appreciate that I should carry my passport, it was an honest mistake.
All this was happening in the middle of Maiden square, a number of passer by stopped and started arguing with the police in Russian, so could not understand much but whatever they did tell the police, they decided to make a fast exit.
I was lucky that I was in the middle of a very central location and some good Samaritans stopped to help, furthermore the two policemen were much shorter than me which did help a bit. I really do not advice anyone to take the same course especially if it is your first time to Ukraine. I have travelled a lot in Eastern Europe and was reasonably confident that I could stand my ground, but if the circumstances were different I may well have reacted differently and taken the easy route paid and parted with some dollars.
However, hopefully these two policeman whoever they were will be more careful next time they approach a tourist and do the right thing, try to help tourist visiting their beautiful country to have a great experience and not abuse their position.I had the same thing happen to me last Sept right in near the Zara store. The problem was the 3 cops were being racist dickheads as they were not even taking the money and giving me hard time.
Yet I met a German guy that walked home from Vodka Bar twice a week and never was stopped mainly because he looked like a local is my guess. If you look like a foreigner expected to stopped late at night around the center. To avoid the hassle take taxi where ever possible, I know many girls insist on a cab if you take them from Vodka Bar as they know the situation too.
I had the same thing happen to me last Sept right in near the Zara store. The problem was the 3 cops were being racist dickheads as they were not even taking the money and giving me hard time.
Yet I met a German guy that walked home from Vodka Bar twice a week and never was stopped mainly because he looked like a local is my guess. If you look like a foreigner expected to stopped late at night around the center. To avoid the hassle take taxi where ever possible, I know many girls insist on a cab if you take them from Vodka Bar as they know the situation too.Its a good idea to have the phone number of your embassy for cases like this, if they waste too much of your time get your cell phone and tell them you have to call your embassy.
I always have my passport with me but I read its better to have a copy of your passport instead of your passport because they may take it and then you have to pay to get it back, don't know if its true
I had the same thing happen to me last Sept right in near the Zara store. The problem was the 3 cops were being racist dickheads as they were not even taking the money and giving me hard time.
Yet I met a German guy that walked home from Vodka Bar twice a week and never was stopped mainly because he looked like a local is my guess. If you look like a foreigner expected to stopped late at night around the center. To avoid the hassle take taxi where ever possible, I know many girls insist on a cab if you take them from Vodka Bar as they know the situation too.When you make the walk down K street from Maiden late night, be sure to walk on the McDonalds side. Many more eyes.
Its a good idea to have the phone number of your embassy for cases like this, if they waste too much of your time get your cell phone and tell them you have to call your embassy.
I always have my passport with me but I read its better to have a copy of your passport instead of your passport because they may take it and then you have to pay to get it back, don't know if its trueThe guys wanted to see the visa stamp not just the passport, so a copy is not much use. I guess one could copy the visa stamp but they could still argue that they want to see the original. Under Ukrainian law, everyone is obliged to carry identification and foreigners are expected to carry their passport.
To be fair in the 15 years I have been travelling in Eastern Europe this was the first time I was ever stopped, and I do have a habit of walking long distances on my own, sometimes in the middle of the night, and no one has ever bothered me, so I was very surprised when this incident happened, but it must have been one of those things.
Good report, Protocol. But just to have the information in one spot concerning this venue, including the "take out" information that is no doubt of interest to readers of this thread, here is the info from the report I filed after visiting Dolls last year, bars upon the printed "Krazy Menu" that the club was using at the time to list the prices of various types of entertainments with the girls.Just visited Dolls men club, the place is pretty new but quite small, there are about 8 tables in total and maybe 10 girls, having said that since there was only about 6 customers, there was a good ratio of girls to guys.
All prices are published on the website apart from the take out option which seems to be only on the printed version of the menu, the going rate is 2500 UAH which is around $300 for 3 hours and not 2 hours as reported. Entrance is more expensive than Rio at 200 UAH. The girls are 5 to 8, not much different than what one finds at Rio, just a smaller choice.
Private dance is also dearer at 400 UAH that is double what one pays at Rio.
If I had a choice between Rio and Dolls club, I would go to Rio, however Dolls club is worth checking out, they certainly have an extensive menu of options if one wants to experiment.
Just visited Dolls men club, the place is pretty new but quite small, there are about 8 tables in total and maybe 10 girls, having said that since there was only about 6 customers, there was a good ratio of girls to guys.
All prices are published on the website apart from the take out option which seems to be only on the printed version of the menu, the going rate is 2500 UAH which is around $300 for 3 hours and not 2 hours as reported. Entrance is more expensive than Rio at 200 UAH. The girls are 5 to 8, not much different than what one finds at Rio, just a smaller choice.
Private dance is also dearer at 400 UAH that is double what one pays at Rio.
If I had a choice between Rio and Dolls club, I would go to Rio, however Dolls club is worth checking out, they certainly have an extensive menu of options if one wants to experiment.Sorry guys I was referring to Penthouse Striptease and not Dolls, too much to drink, that my excuse anyway!
If you happen to be stuck in Kiev over the new year, you should be aware that Rio closes on New Year Eve and New Years day, also as opposed to many other place where New Year is celebrated big time, in Kiev it seems to be a family time so the girls become more difficult to track, even getting a response via mamba becomes almost near impossible.
However. Dolls still opened on New Years eve, this was my first time at Dolls as I had found it much easier to go to Rio, more because I am too lazy to go to the trouble of finding anywhere else than for any other reason.
The club did not open at the usual 2000hrs but 2 hours later at 2200hrs, I did not have big expectations and wasn't sure whether I should go to Freedom Square and celebrate with the protesters or a strip club, but the decision was a no brainer when I found out that Dolls was going to be open.
As I did not have much else to do, I arrived at 2205, and at the time I was the only person in the club plus probably another 20 girls to admire, the place is much bigger than Rio, the decoration is excellent and the sound system is as good as any top end nightclub. One problem with Rio is if you do not manage to get into the VIP area, you will be squeezed in the bar area, whereas at Dolls you always do get your own semi private space which is a must if you want to have a chat with the girls.
Even though I was one of maybe 2 or 3 customers, at no time did any of the girls become overly pushy as is the case with some of these places and certainly was the case when I went to Penthouse the previous day, and other than for the occasional glance or smile, you are left to decide who to call without any pressure whatsoever.
What came as a surprise was the new year show at the stroke of midnight, Santa Clause turned up joined by 4 scantly dressed girls who stripped to their knickers to the tune of jingle bells. This was followed by several more shows whilst champagne glasses were being handed to the guest at no charge.
The girl I picked up had a stunning body, the cutest bum ever, she suggested I go for the Erotic massage which I agreed as the private dance is only 100 hrivna cheaper and lasts two songs, whereas the erotic massage goes for 30 minutes. The room was large, it included a king sized bed, shower, and even a dancing pole and TV room. The girl asked me to take off all my clothes and lie on the bed, she then proceeded to cover me in oil and massage all my body with very little on. From time to time she would lay on me, and rub herself against me. I was told if I wanted a hand job it would cost another 500 hrivna but I suggested she came to my apartment instead which she agreed to.
I read that girls would ask for champagne if offered a drink, but this was not my experience, the girl I picked up was herself suggesting the better for value options and she insisted to only drink orange juice as she did not like alcohol, furthermore when I was undecided whether to take her out for the night or two hours, she went so far to suggest that since she would have to leave at 6am anyway, as it was already late, the 2 hour option was the better deal which I agreed to.
Having said that I guess as is always the case in life, some of the girls are more pushy than others, and it is more of pot luck who you get than any specific policy by the club, just make sure you chose wisely!
As mentioned before the cost is a somewhat more than Rio. 2,400 Hrivna for 2 hours whereas Rio's going rate is 2, 500 for 3 hours. All night was also an option at 4,000 hrivna or around $500.
What came more of a surprise, before I left the club, I was given a free bottle of champagne and a kiss by quite a few of the girls, so I highly recommend Dolls Club, it is miles ahead of Rio, much bigger, no exclusive VIP rooms that only certain VIPs are allowed in to, and the girls are of similar quality although it is difficult to judge from just one visit.
The entrance is 200 hrivna double that of Rio, but I think it is worth the extra money, they also accept credit card which is quite handy as you don't have to end up carrying lots of cash, although I was asked to pay cash for the erotic massage, the rest was covered by the credit card including the take out.
When Rio is not busy, and if you manage to get into the VIP rooms, you are much closer to the girls, but the overall experience at Dolls is a million times better, the only other club I have been to is Penthouse apart from Rio which is just up the road, but it is nowhere as good, however if none of the girls pick your fancy at Dolls, Penthouse is only 5 minutes walk across the road or if that doesn't work for you Rio is a further 20 minutes walk if you fell like a nice stroll in the middle of the night.
One final thing, which is not really the case at Rio, the girls use the clubs taxis which charge 100 hrivna even if you are 700m away from the club which is a bit of a rip off when you can pick up a taxi for 50 or less for a short journey.
I think considering the much higher standard of venue, music and show element, paying 100 hrivna more than Rio is fair, a private dance at 400 hrivna is a rip off, and they should extend the girls' stay to 3 hours from the current 2, if they did that I see no reason for anyone to go to Rio.
Others might differ but I think Dolls is the best club of the 3, I guess I am being somewhat biased as I did not expect to walk out with a free bottle of bubbly, my experience of these places is that they take every penny they can lay their hands on and rarely get anything for free.
Member #4274
01-02-14, 12:03
I'm living and working here in Kyiv now and I agree with what Ross123 posted about the situation at Maiden. Its completely safe to hangout / walk around that area. I'm down there almost daily and sometimes even in a suit and nothing even remotely unusual or unsafe has happened to me. You should not feel threatened. If you are considering coming here rent a flat near Golden Gate, its a relatively calm area and still in the heart of the center. If that idea does not appeal to you, just rent a flat near a metro line and you can zip to the center in no time at all. I live at the end of the red line and I still can reach Kreschatyk in 30 minutes flat.
If you happen to be stuck in Kiev over the new year, you should be aware that Rio closes on New Year Eve and New Years day, also as opposed to many other place where New Year is celebrated big time, in Kiev it seems to be a family time so the girls become more difficult to track, even getting a response via mamba becomes almost near impossible.
However. Dolls still opened on New Years eve, this was my first time at Dolls as I had found it much easier to go to Rio, more because I am too lazy to go to the trouble of finding anywhere else than for any other reason.
The club did not open at the usual 2000hrs but 2 hours later at 2200hrs, I did not have big expectations and wasn't sure whether I should go to Freedom Square and celebrate with the protesters or a strip club, but the decision was a no brainer when I found out that Dolls was going to be open.
As I did not have much else to do, I arrived at 2205, and at the time I was the only person in the club plus probably another 20 girls to admire, the place is much bigger than Rio, the decoration is excellent and the sound system is as good as any top end nightclub. One problem with Rio is if you do not manage to get into the VIP area, you will be squeezed in the bar area, whereas at Dolls you always do get your own semi private space which is a must if you want to have a chat with the girls.
Even though I was one of maybe 2 or 3 customers, at no time did any of the girls become overly pushy as is the case with some of these places and certainly was the case when I went to Penthouse the previous day, and other than for the occasional glance or smile, you are left to decide who to call without any pressure whatsoever.
What came as a surprise was the new year show at the stroke of midnight, Santa Clause turned up joined by 4 scantly dressed girls who stripped to their knickers to the tune of jingle bells. This was followed by several more shows whilst champagne glasses were being handed to the guest at no charge.
The girl I picked up had a stunning body, the cutest bum ever, she suggested I go for the Erotic massage which I agreed as the private dance is only 100 hrivna cheaper and lasts two songs, whereas the erotic massage goes for 30 minutes. The room was large, it included a king sized bed, shower, and even a dancing pole and TV room. The girl asked me to take off all my clothes and lie on the bed, she then proceeded to cover me in oil and massage all my body with very little on. From time to time she would lay on me, and rub herself against me. I was told if I wanted a hand job it would cost another 500 hrivna but I suggested she came to my apartment instead which she agreed to.
I read that girls would ask for champagne if offered a drink, but this was not my experience, the girl I picked up was herself suggesting the better for value options and she insisted to only drink orange juice as she did not like alcohol, furthermore when I was undecided whether to take her out for the night or two hours, she went so far to suggest that since she would have to leave at 6am anyway, as it was already late, the 2 hour option was the better deal which I agreed to.
Having said that I guess as is always the case in life, some of the girls are more pushy than others, and it is more of pot luck who you get than any specific policy by the club, just make sure you chose wisely!
As mentioned before the cost is a somewhat more than Rio. 2,400 Hrivna for 2 hours whereas Rio's going rate is 2, 500 for 3 hours. All night was also an option at 4, 000 hrivna or around $500.
What came more of a surprise, before I left the club, I was given a free bottle of champagne and a kiss by quite a few of the girls, so I highly recommend Dolls Club, it is miles ahead of Rio, much bigger, no exclusive VIP rooms that only certain VIPs are allowed in to, and the girls are of similar quality although it is difficult to judge from just one visit.
The entrance is 200 hrivna double that of Rio, but I think it is worth the extra money, they also accept credit card which is quite handy as you don't have to end up carrying lots of cash, although I was asked to pay cash for the erotic massage, the rest was covered by the credit card including the take out.
When Rio is not busy, and if you manage to get into the VIP rooms, you are much closer to the girls, but the overall experience at Dolls is a million times better, the only other club I have been to is Penthouse apart from Rio which is just up the road, but it is nowhere as good, however if none of the girls pick your fancy at Dolls, Penthouse is only 5 minutes walk across the road or if that doesn't work for you Rio is a further 20 minutes walk if you fell like a nice stroll in the middle of the night.
One final thing, which is not really the case at Rio, the girls use the clubs taxis which charge 100 hrivna even if you are 700m away from the club which is a bit of a rip off when you can pick up a taxi for 50 or less for a short journey.
I think considering the much higher standard of venue, music and show element, paying 100 hrivna more than Rio is fair, a private dance at 400 hrivna is a rip off, and they should extend the girls' stay to 3 hours from the current 2, if they did that I see no reason for anyone to go to Rio.
Others might differ but I think Dolls is the best club of the 3, I guess I am being somewhat biased as I did not expect to walk out with a free bottle of bubbly, my experience of these places is that they take every penny they can lay their hands on and rarely get anything for free.If shows and spacious decor are things that make a difference for you, then you should check out Mandarin. The Mandarin club is a sister club to Rio, and the line up of dancers is on a rotation with Rio, so girls alternate dancing at Rio some nights and at Mandarin other nights. Also the take out prices are similar to Rio, which means 3 hours for $300 is also available at Mandarin. And the song and dance show is entertaining.
During my last visit to Kiev in October, the downstairs bar area at Rio was closed. They had one line up of girls dancing in the upstairs inner room and upstairs outer room, both of which allow you to have a girl comfortably seated next to you to chat. There is also a small bar area just across from the couches in the upstairs outer room, where customers can have a drink while waiting for a table to open up, and that's probably where you felt crowded. It sounds like the downstairs might still be closed, if you experienced crowding when you went to Rio. By the way, there is no magic to being seated in the VIP lounge, which has a separate line up of dancers. It only requires a good rapport with the manager on the floor, which traditionally has been created by giving 100 UAH tips to the manager who assisted you on any particular evening, and being friendly. That has always sufficed to make one a good enough VIP to be seated in the VIP lounge when there is room there. Of course, if the place is full when you arrive, even erstwhile VIP's are seated in the crowded bar area until a table opens up.
I too liked the decor and set up at Dolls when I visited that club just after it had opened. My feelings were that there were too few girls in their line up for such a nice, big club. I would be interested to know if the line up at Dolls ever was bigger than 20 girls, and what percentage of the line up was good looking, as all these places have some girls who are too plain for consideration. And also do all girls at Dolls go out with customers, or only some of the girls.
My reason for not returning to Dolls after my first visit there, was the small number of girls in the line up, and the prices which were higher than Rio. At Dolls, you report entrance was 200 UAH, a private dance was 400 UAH ($50) , a take out date was $300 for only two hours, or $500 for all night. At Rio, (and at Mandarin) entrance was 100 UAH, private dances are 200 UAH, a take out date was $300 for three hours, and $400 for all night.
But Rio never had an erotic massage room. Dolls' erotic massage room option is interesting. Of importance, please explain. Does the erotic massage for 500 UAH at Dolls, include the "happy ending"? You didn't say in your report. And if so, what about being able to touch and / or kiss the girl in various parts of her body, including breasts and / or pussy? Can oral sex (BJ or DATY) happen in the erotic massage room? Or is it possible to go all the way, and have full service? Just how "erotic" can it get in the erotic massage room at Dolls?
Another question regarding Dolls, regarding the all night take out option for $500, please clarify what hours are potentially included. You mentioned 6:00 AM as the Dolls club's closing time, when your date had to end. Beginning from what time is it possible to take a girl out from Dolls for an all night take out for $500? Is it possible to begin an all night take out date from shortly after Dolls' 8:00 PM opening time?
If so, here is one area where Dolls may end up with the lower price, because some of the girls at Rio have taken to asking for $500 for all night, when the take out date begins before 12 midnight. They claim that it's $400 for all night take out only when the date begins after midnight. For those girls at Rio asking $500 for an all night take out date, the date ends at 5:00 AM, when Rio closes. However, at Dolls, for the same $500, the date ends an hour later, at 6:00 AM. It's a slight advantage, and if you didn't get what you wanted from the girl by 5:00 AM, it isn't likely the extra hour will make a difference.
But with those Rio girls who do all night take out for $400, Rio has the lower prices in all categories.
Since I'm sure you have no objections to lower prices, and larger line ups of girls to choose from, if you try Rio again, you would probably do well to get there earlier (by 9:00 PM) to beat the "crowds", and to tip your manager the 100 UAH and say hello with a big smile, and chat a little, and ask that you'd like to sit in the VIP lounge. But if you don't want to try those things, and you want better decor and spaciousness, you can continue to have the lower rates, if you try out the Mandarin club (http://mandarin-restaurant.kiev.ua) on Moskovski Prospekt 32.
LJ
If you happen to be stuck in Kiev over the new year, you should be aware that Rio closes on New Year Eve and New Years day, also as opposed to many other place where New Year is celebrated big time, in Kiev it seems to be a family time so the girls become more difficult to track, even getting a response via mamba becomes almost near impossible.
However. Dolls still opened on New Years eve, this was my first time at Dolls as I had found it much easier to go to Rio, more because I am too lazy to go to the trouble of finding anywhere else than for any other reason.
The club did not open at the usual 2000hrs but 2 hours later at 2200hrs, I did not have big expectations and wasn't sure whether I should go to Freedom Square and celebrate with the protesters or a strip club, but the decision was a no brainer when I found out that Dolls was going to be open...What surprised me the most within this report is that Dolls has backrooms where you can get erotic massage?
But only for 30 min? Do you have to take shower before and after the massage? When you go for a hand job, it's also 30 min? It doesn't sound like an enough time.
But the girls there must be multi-talented if they are good at dancing, giving massage, and more, LOL.
What surprised me the most within this report is that Dolls has backrooms where you can get erotic massage?
But only for 30 min? Do you have to take shower before and after the massage? When you go for a hand job, it's also 30 min? It doesn't sound like an enough time.
But the girls there must be multi-talented if they are good at dancing, giving massage, and more, LOL.Yes there are a number of rooms at the back of Dolls, I am assuming that it is still 30 minutes if you go for the happy ending, it was not mentioned to me that the duration would be any longer just the price would double to 1000 UAH. The erotic massage is exactly that, an erotic massage, if you want a proper massage this is not the place to go. The girl I was with had no problem being touched in all places but no kissing, and she made it clear that sex was not an option. I did did not ask for extras as I went for the take out option after the massage.
The rooms do have a shower but it was not necessary to have one before the massage, otherwise the 30 minutes would have ended more like 15 minutes if one took into account the time for a shower.
I was at Mandarin some time back which I forgot to mention, but it was a Sunday and there was only another couple of customers and maybe 15 girls at most, maybe I picked up the wrong day. I guess I should give the place another go one day during the week when it is a bit more busy.
I know dolls is more expensive in some respects, but if you take into account that you have to pay 100 UAH for entrance and another 100 UAH for the manager just to get a decent place to sit, if there is space, that is the same price as Dolls. 200 UAH which covers the entrance and your own private space without the grovelling. I do agree that a private dance is not value for money at 400 UAH, in fact it is a rip off, but 30 minutes for 500 UAH for an erotic massage is value for money. Also $300 is too high for 2 hour take out.
The all night take out is a good deal if you get there early, but certainly not something to consider if you arrive in the small hours of the morning. The place opens at 8pm, so theoretically you could pick up someone by 9 pm and have a real GFE. I took the girl out at about 2230, I am assuming that there would not have been a problem if I picked her up earlier but will check next time I am at Dolls and see what happens.
I know the place you are referring to downstairs at Rio, but it was closed last time I was there so probably putting a lot more pressure on the upstairs area.
Half the girls at Dolls were 4s and 5s, a few 6s and 2 maybe 7 or 8, there were as you mentioned maybe 20 in total, but then there was only 3 customers at the time so very little competition or the chance that the good ones have gone by 9.
I am not sure if all girls are available for take out, as in Rio I expect the choice would be down to the girl, the one I went out with said she would not normally meet guys outside the club, but I think they all say this, just to make you feel special.
Yes there are a number of rooms at the back of Dolls, I am assuming that it is still 30 minutes if you go for the happy ending, it was not mentioned to me that the duration would be any longer just the price would double to 1000 UAH. The erotic massage is exactly that, an erotic massage, if you want a proper massage this is not the place to go. The girl I was with had no problem being touched in all places but no kissing, and she made it clear that sex was not an option. I did did not ask for extras as I went for the take out option after the massage.
The rooms do have a shower but it was not necessary to have one before the massage, otherwise the 30 minutes would have ended more like 15 minutes if one took into account the time for a shower.
I was at Mandarin some time back which I forgot to mention, but it was a Sunday and there was only another couple of customers and maybe 15 girls at most, maybe I picked up the wrong day. I guess I should give the place another go one day during the week when it is a bit more busy.
I know dolls is more expensive in some respects, but if you take into account that you have to pay 100 UAH for entrance and another 100 UAH for the manager just to get a decent place to sit, if there is space, that is the same price as Dolls. 200 UAH which covers the entrance and your own private space without the grovelling..Come to think of it, on the one recent occasion that I visited Mandarin, which was in September, I didn't think the line up of strip dancers had more than 20 girls or so, either. But the place had plenty of room and was spacious and decorated nicely enough, with easy view of the stage from all points. So in these respects I think that there is no advantage to Dolls. The big difference is that in a take out from Dolls for $300, you get 2 hours only, whereas in a take out from Mandarin for the same $300, you get 3 hours.
And that third hour is important in practical terms. Because typically, in one of these take out dates, one typically uses up almost an hour with travel to your apartment, some drinks and refreshments and conversation to establish a good rapport with the girl, and set a GFE tone to the date if possible, and with each of you showering and getting ready for sex. In a three hour date, that still leaves two hours for sexual forplay in bed and enjoying various forms of oral sex and intercourse in various positions, and even going at it again (MSOG). If the date is reduced to only two hours, it will perforce lead to a more rushed experience, and a curtailed opportunity for sex play. Of course, one will still get the deed done. But gone will be the extra time that enables one to take one's time to enjoy. And you will really need to keep your eye on the clock, and spend as little time as possible on preliminaries, in order to rush her into the shower, and not to spend too much of the time on DATY and BJ. So the extra hour can make a big difference in the quality of the experience, and is important.
Also, if you are happy with the rate of $300 for two hours, there really is no price advantage in going to a strip club over going to the top nightclubs like D'lux, or to Buddha Bar. In those places you can locate high priced p4p beauties, who are probably more abundant and more beautiful than the line up in the strip club, and can often be negotiated from their high initial demands down to the $300/2hours rate, and you will be operating in the more fun atmosphere of a nightclub. The whole initial reason for going to a strip club instead of one of the high priced nightclubs, was to get to the lower rate of $300 for three hours, a net rate of $100 per hour, instead of $150 per hour.
My thinking about Rio always was based on the lower cost there of $100 / hr, as compared to the high priced girls in D'lux and Buddha Bar and the like, who I never succeeded in negotiating to lower than $300/2 hours, and some of the extremely beautiful stunners stuck at $400/2 hours, which is a rate of $200 / hr. So Rio was a better rate than that nightclub situation. So IMHO, if you've given up on Rio because of crowding and seating issues, and you don't like Mandarin for whatever other reason, and you are prepared to pay over $300/2 hours at Dolls, then you should really be thinking about the top nightclub scene where you are not limited to a few girls in a rather small line up, and the negotiated prices are not really higher than what you would pay in Dolls, and there also exists the possibility of lower prices with some of the girls. And at some of the second tier nightclubs / bars it is possible to get even lower prices of $200/2hours and less.
So unless you particularly like the strip club environment versus the nightclub environment, at the price level you are at when you go to Dolls, you can also consider going to D'lux as well, for similar prices.
James T Kirk
01-07-14, 20:17
My question, for all masters like you, is what is reason you didn't bring home (no marriage, of course) that wonderful girl. I am sure the reason is not the usual lie that a lot of men say to himself and to everybody "I like to feed on from one flower to another".
Moreover, I don't understand what is happening in Kiev in comparison to some years ago: less beautiful P4P girls, less quality sex service, more frauding P4P business? For example, mamba site has changed completely for the worse, top modals and similar sites has changed completely for the worse.
Day-by-day the P4P business in Kiev looks like that one in Moscow more and more, and this means "game over". No mention to serious contacts, girls suspicious and spoiled as much as I should restart to consider my Western country's old women.
Inga was without a doubt the best sex I've had in my life and that is saying a lot. The girl was a fuck crazed passionate sex machine. Truly amazing, this was back in 2007 I think. We used to email back and forth for a year or so then she dropped off the radar. Found a bf, sugar daddy or husband I would assume.
Come to think of it, on the one recent occasion that I visited Mandarin, which was in September, I didn't think the line up of strip dancers had more than 20 girls or so, either. But the place had plenty of room and was spacious and decorated nicely enough, with easy view of the stage from all points. So in these respects I think that there is no advantage to Dolls. The big difference is that in a take out from Dolls for $300, you get 2 hours only, whereas in a take out from Mandarin for the same $300, you get 3 hours.
And that third hour is important in practical terms. Because typically, in one of these take out dates, one typically uses up almost an hour with travel to your apartment, some drinks and refreshments and conversation to establish a good rapport with the girl, and set a GFE tone to the date if possible, and with each of you showering and getting ready for sex. In a three hour date, that still leaves two hours for sexual forplay in bed and enjoying various forms of oral sex and intercourse in various positions, and even going at it again (MSOG). If the date is reduced to only two hours, it will perforce lead to a more rushed experience, and a curtailed opportunity for sex play. Of course, one will still get the deed done. But gone will be the extra time that enables one to take one's time to enjoy. And you will really need to keep your eye on the clock, and spend as little time as possible on preliminaries, in order to rush her into the shower, and not to spend too much of the time on DATY and BJ. So the extra hour can make a big difference in the quality of the experience, and is important..Thanks for the advice, I will checkout the clubs next time I am in Kiev, although I was in Buddha a few weeks back but it was very quite, having said that it was a Sunday which is never a good day. Not been to D'lux yet, or rather I tried once, I was with a girl I picked up she took me to D'lux but I had trainers so was refused entry.
Fully agree about the 2 hour, I found it pretty short and a bit rushed, if the chemistry is right, you can have sex more than once in three hours but in two hours taking into consideration the warm up chat, shower and travel, does not leave much time for anything else.
Thanks for the advice, I will checkout the clubs next time I am in Kiev, although I was in Buddha a few weeks back but it was very quite, having said that it was a Sunday which is never a good day. Not been to D'lux yet, or rather I tried once, I was with a girl I picked up she took me to D'lux but I had trainers so was refused entry.
Fully agree about the 2 hour, I found it pretty short and a bit rushed, if the chemistry is right, you can have sex more than once in three hours but in two hours taking into consideration the warm up chat, shower and travel, does not leave much time for anything else.I also had the same experience the first time I went mongering at the Buddha Bar, after reading about all the hot p4p girls that were supposed to be there according to what I read here on the thread in the reports of others. But when I got there, I didn't see much going on. I wrote about it afterwards here, and was told that I might have been there at a too early hour. I had come at 10:00 PM and had left by 12:00 midnight. I figured if girls were going to show up, they would have been there already. I was told here that maybe I had left too early. So I guess some nights are slow, but also perhaps the scene gets more p4p girls a little later at night, after midnight. I haven't gone back to Buddha Bar after that, because I started liking what I was able to accomplish at Rio at lower prices, and since last year I began having more luck finding hotties on mamba. Ru. D'lux is worth trying to get into because it has good music / dancing atmosphere, and reportedly many hot girls. But I should not fail to mention again that those looking for lower priced girls should not go to places like D'lux and Buddha Bar, and should instead focus on other 2nd tier nightclubs like Shooters and others mentioned on the thread.
Right now in Kiev and visited yesterday night Rio. I was talking to 4 managers I know for a long time and in addition to some girls but nobody heard something that they want to close Rio. It looks like a rumor even though I know some people from Kiev who heard this rumor too as well as some fellows posted this here too.
They opened up again the basement area but at all it was very empty yesterday due to Christmas one day before. Girls quality was pretty good but not really some new stunners I was hoping for. So I decided for a girl I had already a couple of times and it was still very good.
Today I will go to Mandarin as one Manager told me they have more beauties there right now.
In regards to take out it is still 2,400 Griwna for 3 hrs or USD 300. It's a pity they don't go down to EUR 220 due to the good exchange rate. They still want EUR 250, so right now best deal is to pay in Griwna.
I saw some people here discussing that it is 3 hrs in total (including travel, warm up, showers and action) but let me say that I never had this. If the girl really likes you and you do a good warm up job it will be more like 4 hrs in total. And always better to take them after 1:00 am! Because then they don't have big motivation. Or lets say it doesn't make sense. To go back to the club.
Some of them even want to sleep at you place. Of course those are almost never the absolut stunning ones.
If you go to Rio and you don't like what you see, you can ask for a complimentary ride to Mandarin (only one way). They offer me that all the time but they know me very good and I tip the managers always (100 Griwna). You will see it is worth it as they take more care about you.
And again, no I don't promote this club. It's the best value for money you can get in Kiev (Liljoey tries to explain this for years here.)! Fact! I am not talking about average sukas you can get easy and for low money at Vodka Bar or wherever. Another very important issue for me is that I have the feeling that all girls at Rio and Mandarin are clean!
I will be here some more days, so if anyone is in town and want to join, pm me.
Right now in Kiev and visited yesterday night Rio. I was talking to 4 managers I know for a long time and in addition to some girls but nobody heard something that they want to close Rio. It looks like a rumor even though I know some people from Kiev who heard this rumor too as well as some fellows posted this here too.
They opened up again the basement area but at all it was very empty yesterday due to Christmas one day before. Girls quality was pretty good but not really some new stunners I was hoping for. So I decided for a girl I had already a couple of times and it was still very good.
Today I will go to Mandarin as one Manager told me they have more beauties there right now.
In regards to take out it is still 2, 400 Griwna for 3 hrs or USD 300. It's a pity they don't go down to EUR 220 due to the good exchange rate. They still want EUR 250, so right now best deal is to pay in Griwna.
I saw some people here discussing that it is 3 hrs in total (including travel, warm up, showers and action) but let me say that I never had this. If the girl really likes you and you do a good warm up job it will be more like 4 hrs in total. And always better to take them after 1:00 am! Because then they don't have big motivation. Or lets say it doesn't make sense. To go back to the club...Do you tip all managers at Rio or just one of them? Because I usually tip one or two, but not all.
When I was at Mandarin last time, I tipped only one, and the other manager looked like he wanted to be tipped, too, or something.
I do prefer Mandarin to Rio. I think it's more democratic where all customers get good view of the stage.
I also want to add that I think Mandarin serves decent Chinese food. The few other Chinese restaurants in Kiev are outrageously expensive, and one of them, down the street from Rio by the opera house, even gave me a stomach problem. And the last time I had sushi at Rio, I got a stomach problem as well.
It's just that Mandarin is pretty far from the Maidan area. I usually walk to Rio but not to Mandarin. I paid 50 UAH to a cab last time to Mandarin, but 200 UAH on the way back. I should find out a way to call a cab to pick me up at Mandarin.
Do you tip all managers at Rio or just one of them? Because I usually tip one or two, but not all.
When I was at Mandarin last time, I tipped only one, and the other manager looked like he wanted to be tipped, too, or something.
I do prefer Mandarin to Rio. I think it's more democratic where all customers get good view of the stage.
I also want to add that I think Mandarin serves decent Chinese food. The few other Chinese restaurants in Kiev are outrageously expensive, and one of them, down the street from Rio by the opera house, even gave me a stomach problem. And the last time I had sushi at Rio, I got a stomach problem as well.
It's just that Mandarin is pretty far from the Maidan area. I usually walk to Rio but not to Mandarin. I paid 50 UAH to a cab last time to Mandarin, but 200 UAH on the way back. I should find out a way to call a cab to pick me up at Mandarin.I think it is going quite overboard and entirely unnecessary to tip all of the managers in the club, regardless of whether they assisted you that evening or not. Doubtless, they would accept a tip with a smile, but in normal business the club employees who did not interact with you and assist you that evening would not have any legitimate basis to expect a tip from you.
Of course, if you move around in the club, and you sat for a while in the downstairs bar, and the manager in charge there assisted you, and then you asked to be seated in the upstairs inner lounge, or in the VIP lounge, because you wanted to see the line-ups there, and then you went upstairs and were assisted by a different manager in the upstairs lounge or the VIP lounge where you transferred to, then in that case, when you left the club, if you not only tipped the last manager who assisted you, but you also went back downstairs and sought out the manager who initially assisted you and gave him a tip and a warm handshake and a smile, obviously he will feel appreciated by you, and will be sure to remember you as a classy and generous guy, and you will be sure to get attention from him and good service from him, the next time you show up. Such gentlemanly, considerate and thoughtful conduct is always well-remembered.
And so, if in the lounge you are sitting in, there are actually more than one manager, and you interact with both of them, but one assisted you more, or one you know from before and the other is new to you, I suppose in the interests of not creating feelings of being slighted by tipping one manager and not the other, right in front of each other, you should probably tip both, or you could at least wait until the other one is not around, and then leave the club, tipping the one who is there at the time.
But walking around the club tipping managers who did not assist you isn't expected at all. Of course, if you are possessed to do stuff like that, then certainly you will be remembered well at the club and get good service. But you would have gotten that anyways, if you just tipped the managers who assisted you.
During a visit, the assistance needed could be continuous, as you need the manager's attentiveness as the girls on stage keep changing, to tell you stuff about each set of girls, such as what is the name of each girl you are interested in, whether they speak English, whether they go out with customers, and to go over to the girl and ask her to come sit with you. Sometimes, when the manager is preoccupied with other customers or stepped away, you can ask the waitresses for the names of girls, and you could also get up out of your seat and approach the stage and speak a few words directly to the girl. But for the most part you need the manager's help with these types of things. So you want him to be continuously be looking your way, so he can take note of your beckoning him over to ask him something. The tip you gave him last time, helps him remember to do these things and take note of your needs while in the club. It's just common sense.
LJ
I always tip one manager per visit. But as always, there are managers you don't need to tip as their influence and / or motivation to help you is limited. For me best manager is Slawa (there are 2 Slawas, I mean the younger one). I give him 100 Griwna and tell him I want to start in the basement area and move later to the upper area and later to the VIP area. So I can move whenever I want and have always a good table ready. In addition he gives me information about the girls. Who is new, who has good reputation, etc.
If the club is empty I don't see many reasons to tip them. It's up to you.
Right now (due to the Christmas days) Rio is very empty! But lots of girls though.
Do you tip all managers at Rio or just one of them? Because I usually tip one or two, but not all.
When I was at Mandarin last time, I tipped only one, and the other manager looked like he wanted to be tipped, too, or something.
I do prefer Mandarin to Rio. I think it's more democratic where all customers get good view of the stage.
I also want to add that I think Mandarin serves decent Chinese food. The few other Chinese restaurants in Kiev are outrageously expensive, and one of them, down the street from Rio by the opera house, even gave me a stomach problem. And the last time I had sushi at Rio, I got a stomach problem as well.
It's just that Mandarin is pretty far from the Maidan area. I usually walk to Rio but not to Mandarin. I paid 50 UAH to a cab last time to Mandarin, but 200 UAH on the way back. I should find out a way to call a cab to pick me up at Mandarin.
I think it is going quite overboard and entirely unnecessary to tip all of the managers in the club, regardless of whether they assisted you that evening or not. Doubtless, they would accept a tip with a smile, but in normal business the club employees who did not interact with you and assist you that evening would not have any legitimate basis to expect a tip from you.
Of course, if you move around in the club, and you sat for a while in the downstairs bar, and the manager in charge there assisted you, and then you asked to be seated in the upstairs inner lounge, or in the VIP lounge, because you wanted to see the line-ups there, and then you went upstairs and were assisted by a different manager in the upstairs lounge or the VIP lounge where you transferred to, then in that case, when you left the club, if you not only tipped the last manager who assisted you, but you also went back downstairs and sought out the manager who initially assisted you and gave him a tip and a warm handshake and a smile, obviously he will feel appreciated by you, and will be sure to remember you as a classy and generous guy, and you will be sure to get attention from him and good service from him, the next time you show up. Such gentlemanly, considerate and thoughtful conduct is always well-remembered.
And so, if in the lounge you are sitting in, there are actually more than one manager, and you interact with both of them, but one assisted you more, or one you know from before and the other is new to you, I suppose in the interests of not creating feelings of being slighted by tipping one manager and not the other, right in front of each other, you should probably tip both, or you could at least wait until the other one is not around, and then leave the club, tipping the one who is there at the time.
But walking around the club tipping managers who did not assist you isn't expected at all. Of course, if you are possessed to do stuff like that, then certainly you will be remembered well at the club and get good service. But you would have gotten that anyways, if you just tipped the managers who assisted you.
During a visit, the assistance needed could be continuous, as you need the manager's attentiveness as the girls on stage keep changing, to tell you stuff about each set of girls, such as what is the name of each girl you are interested in, whether they speak English, whether they go out with customers, and to go over to the girl and ask her to come sit with you. Sometimes, when the manager is preoccupied with other customers or stepped away, you can ask the waitresses for the names of girls, and you could also get up out of your seat and approach the stage and speak a few words directly to the girl. But for the most part you need the manager's help with these types of things. So you want him to be continuously be looking your way, so he can take note of your beckoning him over to ask him something. The tip you gave him last time, helps him remember to do these things and take note of your needs while in the club. It's just common sense.
LJWhat struck me by reading this is that I always tip them as soon as I come into the club and see the managers, not when I leave for the evening. To think about it, tips are supposed to be paid for the good service, so it should be paid after the service, not before.
I never thought about this at Rio or at Mandarin, but it was because the member of this board I met at Rio a few years ago who initially taught me the nuts and bolts of how things work at clubs in FSU States showed me how to give money to the managers: putting the cash in my hand and shake the manager's hand with the cash in it at the initial meeting of the evening.
Maybe we should start this habit in the US as well? : tipping waitresses at restaurants as soon as they come to our tables in order to ensure good service during our stay. Well, most likely, they won't come back to our table once they receive the tip.
What struck me by reading this is that I always tip them as soon as I come into the club and see the managers, not when I leave for the evening. To think about it, tips are supposed to be paid for the good service, so it should be paid after the service, not before.
I never thought about this at Rio or at Mandarin, but it was because the member of this board I met at Rio a few years ago who initially taught me the nuts and bolts of how things work at clubs in FSU States showed me how to give money to the managers: putting the cash in my hand and shake the manager's hand with the cash in it at the initial meeting of the evening.
Maybe we should start this habit in the US as well? : tipping waitresses at restaurants as soon as they come to our tables in order to ensure good service during our stay. Well, most likely, they won't come back to our table once they receive the tip.I always tip when I leave, as I do in restaurants. But this is because the managers already know who I am and that I will be tipping them eventually. I have never failed to do so.
However, if one is new to a club or venue, and the employees do not know who you are, of course it makes sense to establish your bonafides as a generous guy deserving of their attentions, by giving a nice tip as you come in. Then they know right away that you are a "player".
IMHO
CheekyDancer
01-13-14, 16:10
Anyone in Kiev around the 15th to the 21st. I am up for a few beers and some mongering.
What struck me by reading this is that I always tip them as soon as I come into the club and see the managers, not when I leave for the evening. To think about it, tips are supposed to be paid for the good service, so it should be paid after the service, not before.
I never thought about this at Rio or at Mandarin, but it was because the member of this board I met at Rio a few years ago who initially taught me the nuts and bolts of how things work at clubs in FSU States showed me how to give money to the managers: putting the cash in my hand and shake the manager's hand with the cash in it at the initial meeting of the evening.
Maybe we should start this habit in the US as well? : tipping waitresses at restaurants as soon as they come to our tables in order to ensure good service during our stay. Well, most likely, they won't come back to our table once they receive the tip.Completely unnecessary to tip the managers at Rio. They are salesman, not low wage workers that do menial jobs.
Member #4491
01-15-14, 00:08
Leggio1,
Some people just have this idea that they have to pay everyone extras and extras to the extras, to get proper service. Investment in future visits is often mentioned as a major cause, but they normally have no reference group to compare what service they would get without this payment for the "future service". In my country we never tip anyone except children who sells us cookies for school trips.
I am quite modest in my tipping in Ukraine. Never to people who just service me in a way I would expect. 10% on the bill at most normally, and that's it. But then again, I never visited Rio after my one stop a couple a years ago. Strip clubs are just not that high on my list of entertainment.
Alright, I am off to my monthly trip to Kiev so keep the competition alive lads, and do not forget that no referencing to actual woman or contact information is ever allowed here in the Kiev forum.
B
It just occurred to me that we could differentiate "tip before service" and "tip after service" by calling the former "bribe."
Now it suddenly makes sense how to give the money to the managers: putting cash in my hand during the handshakes.
DoctorOral
01-15-14, 12:19
That is SO NOT true that it HURTS to read this. Stupid. By the way, Henke, you are the maan.
Enjoy your trip!
Completely unnecessary to tip the managers at Rio. They are salesman, not low wage workers that do menial jobs.
Rio use to be good years back but now it's just a ripoff. I find it interesting that nobody on this thread has ever mentioned the truth about the place. All the girls are prostitutes but they are actually selective as to who they see. Hot ones that speak no English almost always tell management they will not see foreigners. It's kind of weird, but in their mind, they are not prostitutes. If they feel it will not be a boyfriend experience, they will not do business with you. It can be a kick in the stomach that a prostitute has declined your offer of ridiculous money.
Weird, is the word that came to my mind to describe your reasoning, dear Leggio. What is your definition of prostitute? A dancer who speaks no English and does not want to do you at home? They can hardly be so many, heh heh.
I. Suggest the moderator transfer this repeated Rio-discussion to a special thread, and the others try to talk not falsely now.
Incredible such discussion even take place. Most of the women on this planet earth are prostitutes, not to talk of Rio girls. But I guess someone like the illusion they are normal girls that only dance out there.
Strange someone saying girls that speak only Russian will not go with a westerner, since its seems to me they can't get a better deal. Most of such clientes pays 300 dollar to talk to them and trying to lick theyr pussy dry. Only thing they need to do is make an illusion they are great in bed and made them come ahaha.
To pay someone in Ukraine is always a wise thing, such is a culture. But to do so paying a manager in a strip club, its just just a pure joke.
Never payed in such surroundings, always got top service what is expected and should always be.
Strange someone saying girls that speak only Russian will not go with a westerner, since its seems to me they can't get a better deal. Most of such clientes pays 300 dollar to talk to them and trying to lick theyr pussy dry. Only thing they need to do is make an illusion they are great in bed and made them come ahaha.It's simple logic, the really pretty ones that speak no English do not want to be just a piece of meat. In the old days, it was a different story-Ukrainian men had no money and foreigners did.
Weird, is the word that came to my mind to describe your reasoning, dear Leggio. What is your definition of prostitute? A dancer who speaks no English and does not want to do you at home? They can hardly be so many, heh heh.
I. Suggest the moderator transfer this repeated Rio-discussion to a special thread, and the others try to talk not falsely now.I agree. Seems you can't stop the schills from misdirecting members with complete nonsense such as tipping the managers.
That is SO NOT true that it HURTS to read this. Stupid.When I use to visit Rio years ago, the experience was similar to walking into a casino. I would tip doormen, valets, coat people but never pit managers. What the. For?
I got a slap in the face last week about the reality of the girls out here. Brought my girl to D'Lux to see a performers show. Sometimes, after some romantic moments, you begin to feel that these girls are just normal girls looking for a man. Somehow, as good of manipiulators they are, they always seem to make the little mistake that tells the truth. So I'm sitting down at D'Lux and one of those hookah smoke things falls on my back. Hot coals burned a huge hole in the back of my shirt, not to mention a small burn mark on my skin. I could have lit up on fire if the fool that knocked it over didn't somehow divert his drink away from me. So this girlfriend of mine gets up and just stares at this hookah bottle laying on the floor, never saying a word. Did not ask me if I'm OK or anything. Anyway, kept my cool, realizing reality. When we got back to my apartment, I slapped her ass until it was cherry red. It turned her on and me as well. Moral of the story is they are to be treated as cattle, nothing more. Also, don't ever let these girls get any leverage over you. If they do, you are fucked.
AColonizer
01-17-14, 21:32
You are right. It is years and years, I say something like that.
But I need to describe something else, now. Masters are successfully because they behave exactly like those people called "women". The most of Western men are subjected to brainwashing, since they are child, to be at the service of women, for example the "need" to offer something for introducing themselves, and they are trained to love their woman. Therefore, it is incredible, but true, most of Slavic girls can forget a good relationship, and years of sex, just the day after. No surprise about 67% of divorces, no surprise about thousands of orphans, no surprise about prostitutes, no surprise about this shitty world. And, at the end, also masters are alone men if they haven't any long-life relationship.
I got a slap in the face last week about the reality of the girls out here. Brought my girl to D'Lux to see a performers show. Sometimes, after some romantic moments, you begin to feel that these girls are just normal girls looking for a man. Somehow, as good of manipiulators they are, they always seem to make the little mistake that tells the truth. So I'm sitting down at D'Lux and one of those hookah smoke things falls on my back. Hot coals burned a huge hole in the back of my shirt, not to mention a small burn mark on my skin. I could have lit up on fire if the fool that knocked it over didn't somehow divert his drink away from me. So this girlfriend of mine gets up and just stares at this hookah bottle laying on the floor, never saying a word. Did not ask me if I'm OK or anything. Anyway, kept my cool, realizing reality. When we got back to my apartment, I slapped her ass until it was cherry red. It turned her on and me as well. Moral of the story is they are to be treated as cattle, nothing more. Also, don't ever let these girls get any leverage over you. If they do, you are fucked.
Starchild2012
01-18-14, 16:28
The greatest weapon EVIL ever had was to blame his sins on humanity. If only people know what human race have been through, they will stop fighting among themselves and unite against their eternal enemy.
Common man. Stop hating women kind. 99. 99% of all evil on earth comes from MAN. I have my share of bad experience with women. However, over the years I understood. Its not their fault. Ukrainian women are doing their best as are women from US or Philippines or China. Everyone is fighting their best with the forces of darkness that want to make them evil.
We need to forgive. Move on and BE A MAN. We will meet 100 bad women in our life. But we only need one good girl to change our life for ever. ITS ALL FEAR.
I have been a monger for 12 years and I understand the dynamics. However, We need to look at bigger picture first before blaming women for all our bad experiences. I know it sounds like kissing feminazi A. To understand women, we need to look at the biggest picture of EVIL on Earth. Women will change when we men make this world a better place for them to live.
AColonizer
01-18-14, 17:20
Ah, I understood, you are kidding!
The greatest weapon EVIL ever had was to blame his sins on humanity. If only people know what human race have been through, they will stop fighting among themselves and unite against their eternal enemy.
Common man. Stop hating women kind. 99. 99% of all evil on earth comes from MAN. I have my share of bad experience with women. However, over the years I understood. Its not their fault. Ukrainian women are doing their best as are women from US or Philippines or China. Everyone is fighting their best with the forces of darkness that want to make them evil.
We need to forgive. Move on and BE A MAN. We will meet 100 bad women in our life. But we only need one good girl to change our life for ever. ITS ALL FEAR.
I have been a monger for 12 years and I understand the dynamics. However, We need to look at bigger picture first before blaming women for all our bad experiences. I know it sounds like kissing feminazi A. To understand women, we need to look at the biggest picture of EVIL on Earth. Women will change when we men make this world a better place for them to live.
CastOnThis
01-19-14, 00:49
I got a slap in the face last week about the reality of the girls out here. Brought my girl to D'Lux to see a performers show. Sometimes, after some romantic moments, you begin to feel that these girls are just normal girls looking for a man. Somehow, as good of manipiulators they are, they always seem to make the little mistake that tells the truth. So I'm sitting down at D'Lux and one of those hookah smoke things falls on my back. Hot coals burned a huge hole in the back of my shirt, not to mention a small burn mark on my skin. I could have lit up on fire if the fool that knocked it over didn't somehow divert his drink away from me. So this girlfriend of mine gets up and just stares at this hookah bottle laying on the floor, never saying a word. Did not ask me if I'm OK or anything. Anyway, kept my cool, realizing reality. When we got back to my apartment, I slapped her ass until it was cherry red. It turned her on and me as well. Moral of the story is they are to be treated as cattle, nothing more. Also, don't ever let these girls get any leverage over you. If they do, you are fucked.Did you really believe these type of women care for you? No matter how blurred your brain goes, these women just want your money. They, themselves, are unattached emotionally from any of the men they are with. And the ones they care for, are certainly not the sort of men that treat them decent.
CastOnThis
01-19-14, 01:42
The greatest weapon EVIL ever had was to blame his sins on humanity. If only people know what human race have been through, they will stop fighting among themselves and unite against their eternal enemy.
Common man. Stop hating women kind. 99. 99% of all evil on earth comes from MAN. I have my share of bad experience with women. However, over the years I understood. Its not their fault. Ukrainian women are doing their best as are women from US or Philippines or China. Everyone is fighting their best with the forces of darkness that want to make them evil.
We need to forgive. Move on and BE A MAN. We will meet 100 bad women in our life. But we only need one good girl to change our life for ever. ITS ALL FEAR.
I have been a monger for 12 years and I understand the dynamics. However, We need to look at bigger picture first before blaming women for all our bad experiences. I know it sounds like kissing feminazi A. To understand women, we need to look at the biggest picture of EVIL on Earth. Women will change when we men make this world a better place for them to live.Yes. A brilliant idea! Let's create a world where the women rule. Just look at the states, and tell me how that is working out.
The greatest weapon EVIL ever had was to blame his sins on humanity. If only people know what human race have been through, they will stop fighting among themselves and unite against their eternal enemy.
Common man. Stop hating women kind. 99. 99% of all evil on earth comes from MAN. I have my share of bad experience with women. However, over the years I understood. Its not their fault. Ukrainian women are doing their best as are women from US or Philippines or China. Everyone is fighting their best with the forces of darkness that want to make them evil.
We need to forgive. Move on and BE A MAN. We will meet 100 bad women in our life. But we only need one good girl to change our life for ever. ITS ALL FEAR.
I have been a monger for 12 years and I understand the dynamics. However, We need to look at bigger picture first before blaming women for all our bad experiences. I know it sounds like kissing feminazi A. To understand women, we need to look at the biggest picture of EVIL on Earth. Women will change when we men make this world a better place for them to live.I have been indulging in this hobby for the past 40 years and my worst experience was in the Caribbean where 1 minute into the session the girl pulls me away, whips out the condom and produces one with a hole in it shouting to management that I made a hole in the condom. The goons then whup my ass out of the place. Would you then say that the real evil were men because they were the physical force? The problem is humanity, men and women. Each uses what is available to them to get what they want.
One plus is the nightclubs have a way better ratio of women to men. Ukrainian guys are almost non existent. I think they feel guilty disco dancing while their country men are on the streets suffering.
Starchild2012
01-25-14, 17:37
Yes. A brilliant idea! Let's create a world where the women rule. Just look at the states, and tell me how that is working out.Hi. If you want to look at the problems now, we need to go million years back. Human Beings were androgynous. Male and female in one body. We had so much power to bend the space itself, travel inter-dimensionally. The dark made sure, we never meet our soul mate, It distributed our soul to places across the planet through DNA tinkering. We had Anti-Matter in our bodies which is now called Soul.
We as a human race is much much better than all of this. Its all manipulation.
You are right it will be a disaster if a women rules. The most beautiful combination would be when we both Rule it together. Which is when we go back to our real self. We have to go way way way back when it all started. You cannot lie to yourself. The most beautiful thing you ever had or you think ever is to meet THE ONE. Our whole quest is to meet the ONE. The destiny of human race is to unite.
I have been indulging in this hobby for the past 40 years and my worst experience was in the Caribbean where 1 minute into the session the girl pulls me away, whips out the condom and produces one with a hole in it shouting to management that I made a hole in the condom. The goons then whup my ass out of the place. Would you then say that the real evil were men because they were the physical force? The problem is humanity, men and women. Each uses what is available to them to get what they want.I do not dispute it. You are 100% right. This is the time to look beyond. Men and Female were ONE. The entire human race is manipulated right now. We were androgynous. The problem you had and we all have will not go away. Its guaranteed. It will keep on increasing everyday. We need to understand the whole dynamics of things, we need to go way back million years ago when male and female body were ONE, our mongering life is a quest to fill the Incomplete. The 100 women we meet every year is really deep inside to meet THE ONE. Our Soul mate which is really us, that was taken away from us when we were divided by genetic manipulation. The dark made sure that it will make it nearly impossible for us to meet THE ONE.
You said it right. The problem is Humanity but the real EVIL made sure that we fight among each other blaming us through Karma and all the while he gets to walk away. All I'm saying is the reason we are the Problem is NOT BECAUSE OF US but because of an extremely cunning enemy which makes sure to put the blame on his bad acts on us.
We as a human race have lost our Innocence due to Darkness around. We really are the good guys on this galaxy.
Anyways, lets go back to mongering. I love Humanity. We are all ONE.
Poker Player 2
01-26-14, 06:13
I must confess I did not read this post entirely. Maybe if I had, I would have been able to figure out how this contribution, by this distinguished member, is helping me having sex with prostitutes in Kiev.
Thank you in advance for helping me understand.
Hi. If you want to look at the problems now, we need to go million years back. Human Beings were androgynous. Male and female in one body. We had so much power to bend the space itself, travel inter-dimensionally. The dark made sure, we never meet our soul mate, It distributed our soul to places across the planet through DNA tinkering. We had Anti-Matter in our bodies which is now called Soul.
We as a human race is much much better than all of this. Its all manipulation.
You are right it will be a disaster if a women rules. The most beautiful combination would be when we both Rule it together. Which is when we go back to our real self. We have to go way way way back when it all started. You cannot lie to yourself. The most beautiful thing you ever had or you think ever is to meet THE ONE. Our whole quest is to meet the ONE. The destiny of human race is to unite.
I do not dispute it. You are 100% right. This is the time to look beyond. Men and Female were ONE. The entire human race is manipulated right now. We were androgynous. The problem you had and we all have will not go away. Its guaranteed. It will keep on increasing everyday. We need to understand the whole dynamics of things, we need to go way back million years ago when male and female body were ONE, our mongering life is a quest to fill the Incomplete. The 100 women we meet every year is really deep inside to meet THE ONE. Our Soul mate which is really us, that was taken away from us when we were divided by genetic manipulation. The dark made sure that it will make it nearly impossible for us to meet THE ONE.
You said it right. The problem is Humanity but the real EVIL made sure that we fight among each other blaming us through Karma and all the while he gets to walk away. All I'm saying is the reason we are the Problem is NOT BECAUSE OF US but because of an extremely cunning enemy which makes sure to put the blame on his bad acts on us.
We as a human race have lost our Innocence due to Darkness around. We really are the good guys on this galaxy.
Anyways, lets go back to mongering. I love Humanity. We are all ONE.
Don't go this place. Most stupid disco ever. Girls never look at men and too many gay pretty boys. SkyBar similar, but this place way worse.
I got a slap in the face last week about the reality of the girls out here. Brought my girl to D'Lux to see a performers show. Sometimes, after some romantic moments, you begin to feel that these girls are just normal girls looking for a man. Somehow, as good of manipiulators they are, they always seem to make the little mistake that tells the truth. So I'm sitting down at D'Lux and one of those hookah smoke things falls on my back. Hot coals burned a huge hole in the back of my shirt, not to mention a small burn mark on my skin. I could have lit up on fire if the fool that knocked it over didn't somehow divert his drink away from me. So this girlfriend of mine gets up and just stares at this hookah bottle laying on the floor, never saying a word. Did not ask me if I'm OK or anything. Anyway, kept my cool, realizing reality. When we got back to my apartment, I slapped her ass until it was cherry red. It turned her on and me as well. Moral of the story is they are to be treated as cattle, nothing more. Also, don't ever let these girls get any leverage over you. If they do, you are fucked.So your on here giving your advice in all your wisdom about "don't let the girls have any leverage" most of the guys on here are old hands and don't need to be told that.
Just a warning. My buddy took Kira the big boned blonde from Odessa out from Rio. He ate her out softly and about an hour after she left, he started puking violently for hours.
Has anybody confirmed a permanent closing day for Rio?
Poker Player 2
01-29-14, 09:13
One does need to be careful of what one eats in Kiev.
I hope your friend recovers quickly.
Just a warning. My buddy took Kira the big boned blonde from Odessa out from Rio. He ate her out softly and about an hour after she left, he started puking violently for hours.
Has anybody confirmed a permanent closing day for Rio?
Looking for tall Ukrainian girl about 30 year old use to work under the pseudonym Sofi Dancer.
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In the future, please do not write reports in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING. Thanks! Sofi?
Did she use to work for Vodka Escort?
Just a warning. My buddy took Kira the big boned blonde from Odessa out from Rio. He ate her out softly and about an hour after she left, he started puking violently for hours.
Has anybody confirmed a permanent closing day for Rio?Please let me try to understand this correctly.
Your buddy licked Kira's pussy and later puked violently for hours?
What does this mean? Kira has STD, or did she put some poison on her pussy?
One does need to be careful of what one eats in Kiev.
I hope your friend recovers quickly.He did eat at Mafia restaurant earlier in day.
YellowPaul
01-29-14, 17:02
Any updated reports from any Kiev veterans of the board?
I heard the girls are hurting more ever since most of the foreigners have fled or delayed trips have but things are normal especially outside the center.
Yesterday I was contacted by a girl I dumped 2 years ago, I don't think that's a coincidence.
Me and You
01-29-14, 18:47
Any updated reports from any Kiev veterans of the board?
I heard the girls are hurting more ever since most of the foreigners have fled or delayed trips have but things are normal especially outside the center.
Yesterday I was contacted by a girl I dumped 2 years ago, I don't think that's a coincidence.I am in Kiev right now and everything is normal and quiet after the dialogue and accords. Just avoid maidan and half of Kreshatik as the other half toward Bessarabska is open to traffic and people. Girls are hopeless as mentioned because of situation and of cold. If somebody in town and like to meet for a beer, pm me.
Is anybody using Mamba anymore or has it become a junk site?
So your on here giving your advice in all your wisdom about "don't let the girls have any leverage" most of the guys on here are old hands and don't need to be told that.Most stupid replay I have ever heard to a post that might be usefull to many members. Now not all wants to discuss if your Rio girl wants to get her pussy licked for 10 or 20 min, do they?
Does anybody have any recommendations for own-door apartments near the city center (but not on Kreshatik)?
Does anybody have any recommendations for own-door apartments near the city center (but not on Kreshatik)?Try +380/509 74 70 26.
The lady is named Julia, and manages several independant apartments in the Livobereschna area. 4 subway stops from Kreshatik. She speaks good Englisch and German.
AColonizer
01-31-14, 00:12
Probably Kira's pussy has Escherichia coli. If Kira's pussy has STD, then Kira's pussy smells a lot, and people usually don't lick it. Oh come on, is that the first time with sex?
Please let me try to understand this correctly.
Your buddy licked Kira's pussy and later puked violently for hours?
What does this mean? Kira has STD, or did she put some poison on her pussy?
Try +380/509 74 70 26.
The lady is named Julia, and manages several independant apartments in the Livobereschna area. 4 subway stops from Kreshatik. She speaks good Englisch and German.Thanks for this valuable information during this difficult moments in Kiev. Maybe you know the current rates?
AColonizer
01-31-14, 15:03
And what about girls, independents, salons, sites, etc? Is there still somebody who is able to discover sex talents? Is there any good man could find a real deal without those silly places such Rio and D'Lux? It is years I don't go to Kiev, but from abroad it seems there is no crisis or hopelessness for the beautiful girls in Kiev. And men can just collect some sharks in those silly places.
And what about girls, independents, salons, sites, etc? Is there still somebody who is able to discover sex talents? Is there any good man could find a real deal without those silly places such Rio and D'Lux? It is years I don't go to Kiev, but from abroad it seems there is no crisis or hopelessness for the beautiful girls in Kiev. And men can just collect some sharks in those silly places.In my opinion, it's become difficult to justify visiting Kiev and leaving your own country for prostitutes. Girls with "what it takes" to be a successful prostitute have better options now outside Ukraine. It's like the whole town is corrupted by shitty providers that have no reputation to uphold and just want to steel your money. Also, some of the older guys that come to visit get a nice slap in the face of disrespect. I remember recently watching people at the courtyard at Arena. Groups of nice looking 40 plus Western men were declined entrance between Decadence and Skybar. I must have seen 30 guys turned down in 15 minutes of having a smoke outside. Everyone complaining how bullshit this was to their friends.
In my opinion, it's become difficult to justify visiting Kiev and leaving your own country for prostitutes. Girls with "what it takes" to be a successful prostitute have better options now outside Ukraine. It's like the whole town is corrupted by shitty providers that have no reputation to uphold and just want to steel your money. Also, some of the older guys that come to visit get a nice slap in the face of disrespect. I remember recently watching people at the courtyard at Arena. Groups of nice looking 40 plus Western men were declined entrance between Decadence and Skybar. I must have seen 30 guys turned down in 15 minutes of having a smoke outside. Everyone complaining how bullshit this was to their friends.But maybe more desperates girls now due to the problems in Kiev? Or maybe more difficult to find the independent girls?
LilJoey,
Read the post below: You see how you should Not eat pussies!
Like I said before, paying to eating pussies is ridiculous. Not mentioning what might happen as had happened below.
Come in mouth and come on face is great as always but no licking pussies. Heehee.
Just a warning. My buddy took Kira the big boned blonde from Odessa out from Rio. He ate her out softly and about an hour after she left, he started puking violently for hours.
Has anybody confirmed a permanent closing day for Rio?
LilJoey,
Read the post below: You see how you should Not eat pussies!
Like I said before, paying to eating pussies is ridiculous. Not mentioning what might happen as had happened below.
Come in mouth and come on face is great as always but no licking pussies. Heehee.What about ass licking, rimming.
To rim or not to rim?
I second your opinion. There isn't much justification of going to Kiev. The high cost of daily living expenses and the high cost of flying for those who live far away make it silly going there just for the purpose you described.
In my opinion, it's become difficult to justify visiting Kiev and leaving your own country for prostitutes. Girls with "what it takes" to be a successful prostitute have better options now outside Ukraine. It's like the whole town is corrupted by shitty providers that have no reputation to uphold and just want to steel your money. Also, some of the older guys that come to visit get a nice slap in the face of disrespect. I remember recently watching people at the courtyard at Arena. Groups of nice looking 40 plus Western men were declined entrance between Decadence and Skybar. I must have seen 30 guys turned down in 15 minutes of having a smoke outside. Everyone complaining how bullshit this was to their friends.
Member #4274
02-01-14, 15:33
Is anybody using Mamba anymore or has it become a junk site?I am living and working in Kyiv and used mamba for the past two months. Great site to meet university girls looking for an older man to treat them much better than men their age. I was dating a very sexy student for a while until I started to get bored of her. But as I am living and working here and appear younger than my age its not difficult. As for meeting women for sex, yes, there are still some on there, but not as many as I thought there would be.
AColonizer
02-01-14, 17:31
I am used to hard work to get everything. I never got anything without a lot of work. Therefore I am realizing how much is incredible most of men are so lazy with women as well as they prefer to pay a socalled prostitute (but she is not a real prostitute!) instead to meet girls in their country of origin. And I am sure they should be much more glad with their girls instead of prostitutes! And why? Because w*mongering is a state of the art! How many artists create their masterpieces without painting or without chiselling? Nobody!
Or maybe this is good for me, so most of men go to their notorius places and they lick a pussy for 100$, meanwhile I am trying to deal a 12-hours "brak dla vida" for 200$. But I work hard!
I am living and working in Kyiv and used mamba for the past two months. Great site to meet university girls looking for an older man to treat them much better than men their age. I was dating a very sexy student for a while until I started to get bored of her. But as I am living and working here and appear younger than my age its not difficult. As for meeting women for sex, yes, there are still some on there, but not as many as I thought there would be.Where do you meet these students? Any further information would be helpfull
Asparaspes
02-02-14, 03:03
I am reluctant to post anything here; some "Ukraine professionals" flamed me much the last time I did, just because I was not aware that since my last visit (then), River Palace has been towed away. Well, I do want to be fair to my fellow mongers, as I overcome the aforementioned hesitation, and give back to the Forum something useful, this time.
I celebrated New Year in Kiev, on the eve of revolution (barricades were already standing and the lights on Maidan have been extinguished. No tree this year.), and I scored a very nice "almost freebie" (Ukrainian-Armenian, damage 600 hrivna "Support and taxi Money" for an all-nighter) using the method I prefer. Went to "Forsazh" on Friday night, at midnight, paid the silly 1000 hrivna "table deposit" (Drinks and food for the value included. I`m a fat guy, eat a lot of Sushi and wash it down with sparkly wine). Just make sure that you stay on the ground floor, the closer to the DJ the better, not the first, or the second floor, or the Basement (yes, on good nights, there are four floors open for the guests!), and make that bottle of a bit sweetish, but otherwise quite correct "Asti Martini Prosecco" visible to the dyevs dancing. If you keep a smile on your face and a playful sparkle in your eye. And if you master some basic Russian (I am fluent, but my friend who is Spanish and can just say "vodka" and "Stalin" in Russian, he scored too). There will soon be some nice student-semi-pros vying for your attention.
Feed them, let them drink with you, and do not speak about the money, unless they mention it first. If they do mention it, anything beyond 800 hrivnas (if late), or 1000 hrivnas (if early, and only if you really like the girl very much) should be laughed off in a jovial,"ja-ne-imeju-takoe-bogatstvo" (I-do-not-posses-such-riches) kind-of-way. Taxis wait outside (always a ripoff, try to organize a Pick-up or a Driver earlier in the evening. A car with a driver from a local rent-a-car."Sun Services", for instance. Costs like two hundred hrivnas for all evening, everywhere- same Price demanded by brazen Drivers in the front of the disco).
Now is a bit tricky to visit, but if the situation calms down some. I will be returning soon.
Otherwise, Kiev is not the cheapest place to visit and monger. Province is cheaper, but you need time to connect and explore. However, if You have an adventurous heart, and want to spend some quality time with the girls half your age (if you are older then 36, of course.). It still provides some tempting talent.
All the best to all of you, brothers. Over and out.
I am in Kiev right now and everything is normal and quiet after the dialogue and accords. Just avoid maidan and half of Kreshatik as the other half toward Bessarabska is open to traffic and people. Girls are hopeless as mentioned because of situation and of cold. If somebody in town and like to meet for a beer, pm me.Hi M&Y.
You would think hotels in that area would be offering discounts. Not so.
The rates I am getting for the second half of this month are not discounted at all. For them its as if business as usual. The UA economic mentality perhaps works on the basis when business is down don't lower prices, even in some cases increase them.
That said, I am getting good discounts on Apartments not a million miles from Maidan.
The Epedimy Nov 09. Aka Swine Flue didn't stop me from landing in Kiev in the middle of the crises back then. Hotels didn't offer discounts then, but River Palace Girls did albeit minus the DFK.
As always "Where there's Muck there's Gold "
Hi M&Y.
You would think hotels in that area would be offering discounts. Not so.
The rates I am getting for the second half of this month are not discounted at all. For them its as if business as usual. The UA economic mentality perhaps works on the basis when business is down don't lower prices, even in some cases increase them.
That said, I am getting good discounts on Apartments not a million miles from Maidan.
The Epedimy Nov 09. Aka Swine Flue didn't stop me from landing in Kiev in the middle of the crises back then. Hotels didn't offer discounts then, but River Palace Girls did albeit minus the DFK.
As always "Where there's Muck there's Gold "Yes for is also confusing. I get now apartments with discounts but the girls seem to request the old prices. I wonder we are the desperate girls with this difficult situation?
Member #4274
02-03-14, 11:48
Where do you meet these students? Any further information would be helpfullAs I stated in my post, I meet them on mamba mostly, but not always. The fact I am living and working in Kyiv, I look younger than my age and dress well undoubtedly has helped me. Sometimes I don't find them, they find me. A lot of student-aged Ukrainian women are discouraged or disenchanted with boys their own age. However, these girls are searching for a long-term sponsor, not just a one night fuck for money.
As I stated in my post, I meet them on mamba mostly, but not always. The fact I am living and working in Kyiv, I look younger than my age and dress well undoubtedly has helped me. Sometimes I don't find them, they find me. A lot of student-aged Ukrainian women are discouraged or disenchanted with boys their own age. However, these girls are searching for a long-term sponsor, not just a one night fuck for money.Yes these are my goals too. I use Mamba too but if you have some contact with mobile numbers would be helpful
YellowPaul
02-03-14, 18:35
I am reluctant to post anything here; some "Ukraine professionals" flamed me much the last time I did, just because I was not aware that since my last visit (then) , River Palace has been towed away. Well, I do want to be fair to my fellow mongers, as I overcome the aforementioned hesitation, and give back to the Forum something useful, this time.
I celebrated New Year in Kiev, on the eve of revolution (barricades were already standing and the lights on Maidan have been extinguished. No tree this year.) , and I scored a very nice "almost freebie" (Ukrainian-Armenian, damage 600 hrivna "Support and taxi Money" for an all-nighter) using the method I prefer. Went to "Forsazh" on Friday night, at midnight, paid the silly 1000 hrivna "table deposit" (Drinks and food for the value included. I`m a fat guy, eat a lot of Sushi and wash it down with sparkly wine). Just make sure that you stay on the ground floor, the closer to the DJ the better, not the first, or the second floor, or the Basement (yes, on good nights, there are four floors open for the guests!) , and make that bottle of a bit sweetish, but otherwise quite correct "Asti Martini Prosecco" visible to the dyevs dancing. If you keep a smile on your face and a playful sparkle in your eye. And if you master some basic Russian (I am fluent, but my friend who is Spanish and can just say "vodka" and "Stalin" in Russian, he scored too). There will soon be some nice student-semi-pros vying for your attention.
Feed them, let them drink with you, and do not speak about the money, unless they mention it first. If they do mention it, anything beyond 800 hrivnas (if late) , or 1000 hrivnas (if early, and only if you really like the girl very much) should be laughed off in a jovial,"ja-ne-imeju-takoe-bogatstvo" (I-do-not-posses-such-riches) kind-of-way. Taxis wait outside (always a ripoff, try to organize a Pick-up or a Driver earlier in the evening. A car with a driver from a local rent-a-car."Sun Services", for instance. Costs like two hundred hrivnas for all evening, everywhere- same Price demanded by brazen Drivers in the front of the disco).
Now is a bit tricky to visit, but if the situation calms down some. I will be returning soon.
Otherwise, Kiev is not the cheapest place to visit and monger. Province is cheaper, but you need time to connect and explore. However, if You have an adventurous heart, and want to spend some quality time with the girls half your age (if you are older then 36, of course.). It still provides some tempting talent.
All the best to all of you, brothers. Over and out.Thanks for the report, I'm assuming this the same Forsage I reported on back in Sept and my freebie. No need to pay for it with these girls unless you have no game or the time to invest in a second date if needed and in fact I never saw any obvious working girls there. These are mainly poor students 6/7's looks wise compared to cousins from the Center.
What about ass licking, rimming.
To rim or not to rim?Perhaps you prefer it with a slight smell and taste of shit.
, I have a hard time understanding the relevance to the subject matter of this board.Flu Swine back in 2009 didn't stop me from landing in Kiev then during the height of the hyped up hysteria and had a great time. This time around what I see on TV and what I read and posted links to are relevant to me as I am already booked to land in Kiev later on this month, hence the Relevant posts below with links by the people in the know.
I just need to avoid Maidan & half of Krescahtick as confirmed to me by PM today from a Kiev veteran on the ground there now. Simple.
I happen to like reading evidenced posts backed by facts and figures.
I agree with you. I am in Kiev now and everything is usual, just avoid Maidan and half of Kreshatik where start the barricades, which are open for people to pass through and go their works, but better as foreigners no to go there. And better to stay away from Maidan and from politics as everybody is right as the country is divided between Europe and Russia. Things are calming down now.
Good luck to all.Thanks M&E for your live post from Kiev. Last night I put my (money& Waffles) where my mouth is and booked a flight to Kiev for later on this month. US$200 Return.
Donetsk girl is very impressed and says she can't wait to meet me in Kiev.
Where there's a Willy there's a way.
Member #4491
02-10-14, 07:56
Landing 18/2. My friends that lives there and monger buddies that have been in, all tell me it is OK away from Maidan.
Epicurious
02-10-14, 10:54
Sofi?
Did she use to work for Vodka Escort?No she was independent.
Advertised under the pseudonym SofiDancer.
Tall, dark hair, very slim.
Any idea?
Thanks M&E for your live post from Kiev. Last night I put my (money& Waffles) where my mouth is and booked a flight to Kiev for later on this month. US$200 Return.
Donetsk girl is very impressed and says she can't wait to meet me in Kiev.
Where there's a Willy there's a way.Sorry, but I do not think the sentence "everything is normal in Kiev " is really the correct words to describe the situation right now, let us be honest with ourself. If you have to stay away from certain areas, that is not normal. If you have to be extra cautious, that is not normal. If you have to return to your apartement or hotel early, that is not normal. If you do not know what the situation will be after a week or two from now, that is not normal. Again, I love the city. Been there teens of times. Let us wait and see.
I have a feeling that it's OK to go to Kiev now, and if opportunity comes, I would.
But meanwhile, it just so happens that I am inviting a regular girl from Ukraine to Dominican Republic in early March.
This way I don't have to worry about anything that's happening in Kiev. And I think she wants to get out of Kiev now.
She's less than half my age. But I don't look twice her age.
Hope everything will go as planned in DR.
I have a feeling that it's OK to go to Kiev now, and if opportunity comes, I would.
But meanwhile, it just so happens that I am inviting a regular girl from Ukraine to Dominican Republic in early March.
This way I don't have to worry about anything that's happening in Kiev. And I think she wants to get out of Kiev now.
She's less than half my age. But I don't look twice her age.
Hope everything will go as planned in DR.I have been thinking of doing this (bringing a girl from Kiev to DR) for a long time. So far I have not found a truly economical way to fly the girl from Kiev to either SDQ (Santo Domingo) or PUJ (Punta Cana). It is my understanding that since the girl generally does not have a visa for the USA or Canada, her flights cannot stopover anywhere in the USA or Canada, even for a short stopover of a few hours between flights. The lowest priced flights meeting that criteria seem to be flights on Ukraine Int'l from Kiev to Frankfurt, combined with a flight on Condor from Frankfurt to PUJ or SDQ. These flights for this March are around $1500 when I just checked.
Did you find any more economical way of flying a girl from Kiev to DR?
Given the high cost of air travel for the girl, which must be added to the cost of an all-inclusive resort in Punta Cana or elsewhere, or some nice upscale hotel, for such a plan, I have up till now opted for having the variety of many girls available to me when I fly myself at half the cost to Kiev.
Any planning tips to lower the costs would be helpful for a privately arranged DR adult vacation. There are a number of adult vacation companies offering companionship with pretty Ukrainian girls on a DR adult vacation package. They are pretty costly, but they have a variety of girls available, and one can switch out the companion each day, and try a different girl. If it would be possible to privately arrange one's own adult vacation with a Kiev girl at a much lower price, it might make more sense to me to do it on my own. But when costs of me doing it privately are almost what it costs to use the adult vacation companies that already exist, then one might as well book through an established adult vacation company and have the benefit of the variety of girls to choose from. Unless of course you've found true love with that one girl from Kiev and actually prefer all your time to be with just her.
YellowPaul
02-13-14, 23:39
I have been thinking of doing this (bringing a girl from Kiev to DR) for a long time. So far I have not found a truly economical way to fly the girl from Kiev to either SDQ (Santo Domingo) or PUJ (Punta Cana). It is my understanding that since the girl generally does not have a visa for the USA or Canada, her flights cannot stopover anywhere in the USA or Canada, even for a short stopover of a few hours between flights. The lowest priced flights meeting that criteria seem to be flights on Ukraine Int'l from Kiev to Frankfurt, combined with a flight on Condor from Frankfurt to PUJ or SDQ. These flights for this March are around $1500 when I just checked.
Did you find any more economical way of flying a girl from Kiev to DR?
Given the high cost of air travel for the girl, which must be added to the cost of an all-inclusive resort in Punta Cana or elsewhere, or some nice upscale hotel, for such a plan, I have up till now opted for having the variety of many girls available to me when I fly myself at half the cost to Kiev.
Any planning tips to lower the costs would be helpful for a privately arranged DR adult vacation. There are a number of adult vacation companies offering companionship with pretty Ukrainian girls on a DR adult vacation package. They are pretty costly, but they have a variety of girls available, and one can switch out the companion each day, and try a different girl. If it would be possible to privately arrange one's own adult vacation with a Kiev girl at a much lower price, it might make more sense to me to do it on my own. But when costs of me doing it privately are almost what it costs to use the adult vacation companies that already exist, then one might as well book through an established adult vacation company and have the benefit of the variety of girls to choose from. Unless of course you've found true love with that one girl from Kiev and actually prefer all your time to be with just her.I have done this before. There are direct flights to Punta Cana from Europe from November but your still looking at least $1500 US or more. I believe people from Russia and Ukraine do not need a transit visa for a stop over in the US when to changing flights.
When I was in Punta Cana December of 2012 there were ton's of Russians that were there on organized tours in our hotel. The girl I brought made friends with the Russians and I got a BJ from one of the drunk Russian girls on the bus ride back from a club. LOL.
Basally I don't recommend the trip option unless you have met her before and the sex was great. It is still amazing to see the looks and stares on the beach when you walking down with a hottie that is almost 20 year younger then you.
I recently met one of my Kiev GF's in NYC last month and had awesome time. Since New York is major hub the tickets are a lot cheaper to get there but you still have to deal with the visa issue.
[QUOTE=YellowPaul; 1531758.
When I was in Punta Cana December of 2012 there were ton's of Russians that were there on organized tours in our hotel. The girl I brought made friends with the Russians and I got a BJ from one of the drunk Russian girls on the bus ride back from a club. LOL.
Basally I don't recommend the trip option unless you have met her before and the sex was great. It is still amazing to see the looks and stares on the beach when you walking down with a hottie that is almost 20 year younger t.[/QUOTE]I do it in Kiev all the time. I bring a girl from Donetsk and have great results. It does help a lot as she is Bi, very attractive, in her 20s. Both of us love clubbing & drinking. Met her in Kiev 2009, and if it wasn't for Irish Lad's verdict (Not a Hooker), I wouldn't have met her in the first place.
2 is company. 3 or more girls is a great party.
On a previous occasion I took from London an American girl on a hunting trip in Kiev, but it didn't work out due to culture, language, some dentist issues with UA girls, read no Hollywood Smile, according to my travelling companion. But then again it wasn't such a big financial loss as the return ticket was only about US$200.
I prefer taking my own sand to the beach.
I reckon you (Jojosun) just love writing and you have all day to do it. I seldom read your posts and when I do read a few lines (by accident) , I have a hard time understanding the relevance to the subject matter of this board. Did you work as a lecturer when you were young?PP, unlike yourself I have no problem reading or understanding JJ's posts.
As a member here of long-standing, he needs no recommendation or justification from myself, but I would venture that it's fair to say he has contributed more here than you or I will ever aspire to.
As someone with a number of Ukrainian connections, I have no reason to question the sincerity of his opinions...
Member #4491
02-15-14, 18:55
Did you find any more economical way of flying a girl from Kiev to DR?LJ, did you check http://www.windrose.aero/eng/?
Member #4274
02-15-14, 22:51
PP, unlike yourself I have no problem reading or understanding JJ's posts.
As a member here of long-standing, he needs no recommendation or justification from myself, but I would venture that it's fair to say he has contributed more here than you or I will ever aspire to.
As someone with a number of Ukrainian connections, I have no reason to question the sincerity of his opinions.I second Gergiev's opinion. The first time I went to Minsk, Jojosun gave me some very helpful advice that made my mongering much easier. Yes, it seems like he rambles a bit and at times he's guilty of being slightly incoherent but in my opinion he's full value. If I was considering going to a country I had never visited before but I knew JJ had been there, I would not hesitate to ask for his advice. He always replies to my PM's and apologizes when he doesn't answer immediately.
Member #4491
02-15-14, 23:28
I concur. Very few ever retaliated my sharing of contacts, but from JJ I got a long list.
Canadian Boy, I fly in next week. Would be fun to catch up finally. Will stay a few minutes southwest of Arena.
B
YellowPaul
02-16-14, 23:40
LJ, did you check.
http://www.windrose.aero/eng/
?Barba. That website was not working properly. Have you or anybody you know these them? They look a new start up.
I think I may need to plan another trip back to DR although Jamaica is first preference. This has been one of the worst Winters in North America in recent memory. I think I might need some R & R.
Member #4274
02-17-14, 00:25
Sometimes persistence and being a gentleman pays off for a monger. As some of you might know, I have been living quite happily here in Kyiv for the past 4 months. A few years back I was contacted by a woman living in Kyiv who was interested in meeting a Westerner for a serious relationship. As I decided to spend my time in Minsk, I never made any effort to meet her, despite her attractiveness. We stayed in touch, however, and I was always careful to be a gentleman and never spoke about sex. Short story long, I recently stopped seeing a university student here in Kyiv. Valentines Day rolled around and instead of wining and dining some new woman, I decided I wanted some adult fun. I reconnect with her and turns out she opened a new business a few years ago and it's not going very well. She's in need of some money. I asked how much she wanted for a few hours at my flat. She said she wasn't sure but how about 1500 UAH? I countered with 1000 + taxi and she agreed. We hit it off immediately and despite some early shyness she proved to be a very capable partner. She loved having her hair pulled and ass slapped. She stayed the night and for what I received I would've definitely paid double. I prefer to date regular girls here in Kyiv, but this young woman was worth every penny.
Me and You
02-17-14, 19:18
I have these 2 infos about Kiev for now and reports will follow photos from my last visit to Kiev.
First: a sauna place with available girls on place or your place for 600 gr. You can find 7s and 8s girls especially if you go evening at 7 on week ends Friday or Saturday. You can see the girls and stay there in sauna or take girls names and they will bring them to you. It is not in center, but you can make one visit and take names, unless you like the sauna. It is like a villa house, not an appartment. I took 2 girls from there, nice GFE experience; gfk, DATY, with extra 20 euros I got bbj and cim. When you are stuck, it is a good and cheap option.
Second info, last night before leaving Kiev, intending just to eat sushi and watching the show, because Rio is not my first choice, and not intending to take out a girl. I saw Milana. 21 years, blonde from Odessa, just a month in Rio. She has a great body and face, she is 8 at least. I asked her to come for a drink then we talked a little, I asked her if she goes out, she said, I go but not tonight as I am tired. I said no problem but I asked her a private dance to touch that body. In the dance booth, she was hot and horny, when she layed upon me she breathing and moaning softly then I sucked on her tits and she let me touch and play with her pussy, she was on fire. Then she said: you asked me if I want go out. Yes if you want. I changed my mind knowing that I will have great time with her, as she was very horny and she asked me to go out. She is a nymfo girl, she have many orgasms by DATY and ass rimming and pussy and ass fucking. Great girl: dfk, DATY 69, anal, cim. After a long sex marathon in many positions, she slept between my arms until 8 because she must leave to the train station and I must leave at 12. She stayed more than 5 hours. She is sweet and hot girl.
ThunderBird777
02-18-14, 18:41
Does anybody know some good sauna with girls in Kiev?
Beautiful brunette in kyiv, sweet girl. 170cm, breasts size 2-3, speaks English, available to meet.
PM me, if you are interested, and I will send her mamba profile.
Ciao.
Misc
Dozens dead and CastonShit returns with a post like this.
If you're that cheap and desperate, why don't you just sod off to Thailand.+1.
I'm off to Kiev tomorrow just booked my flight! I will post updates ASAP!
So I finally tried a Ukrainian girl. I used this agency and girl.
http://gia.la/girl/lina
God bless Ukrainian women! So hot So pretty. So yummy. By the way Kiev is a beautiful city and I feel sorry for all the damage caused by people. Anyway I had a great time and I'll be back. For sure!
What happen to the Irish guy that use to post here?
Did he run back to the Emerald Isle?
Member #4274
03-01-14, 02:37
I am living in Kyiv and while things have been generally hairy here the past 10 days, outside of the center it is relatively calm. Not completely calm, but relatively calm. There are many girls in Kyiv looking for a sponsor right now. However, I do need some advice from more experienced mongers. Here is my situation:
I live and work here in Kyiv. I rent a flat near the edge of the city. The woman who comes and collects rent from me monthly is an attractive young woman who speaks almost no English, but she is extremely pleasant. However, through circumstances which are not necessary to describe here, I recently found out she is some sort of an exotic dancer at a night club. Not a knock out, but sexy, nonetheless. My question: how would you proceed with this situation? I really would like to get her in bed and sponsorship is an option. What is your advice?
I am living in Kyiv and while things have been generally hairy here the past 10 days, outside of the center it is relatively calm. Not completely calm, but relatively calm. There are many girls in Kyiv looking for a sponsor right now. However, I do need some advice from more experienced mongers. Here is my situation:
I live and work here in Kyiv. I rent a flat near the edge of the city. The woman who comes and collects rent from me monthly is an attractive young woman who speaks almost no English, but she is extremely pleasant. However, through circumstances which are not necessary to describe here, I recently found out she is some sort of an exotic dancer at a night club. Not a knock out, but sexy, nonetheless. My question: how would you proceed with this situation? I really would like to get her in bed and sponsorship is an option. What is your advice?Hi CB,
Glad you are safe and well now hopefully the storm is over.
I would invite her to a lively place, say Georgian restaurant (Neutral Ground) with a lively atmosphere and good wine and take it from there at the end of the night. I do remember you saying, not very keen on Clubs.
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g294474-d3958987-r154535476-Cafe_Hinkalnaya-Kiev.html
After all she would be coming back to Her own place with you. You can make her understand that you want to pay the rent early. Make sure to top up your stock of drinks.
Who knows if the chemistry is right, then no need 4 the sponsorship money as you are already paying her the monthly rent at a time when there are few western tourists, renters anyway.
If she is BI as most exotic dancers are, then you are into a lively party scene on the edge of Kiev.
I live in the city of Kharkov. Which is very peaceful. I have had no problems.
However, because this is the forum, excellent service is still being provided in Kharkov. Not sure about Kiev. I will not go there unless I have to. And with the hryvna devaluing 25% in the last month, prices got even cheaper.Thanks for your comments on Kharkov.
As for prices getting even cheaper, the well know Escort agency in Kiev and its badly trained PR guys, touts, pimps, do not think so.
Here is my situation:
I live and work here in Kyiv. I rent a flat near the edge of the city. The woman who comes and collects rent from me monthly is an attractive young woman who speaks almost no English, but she is extremely pleasant. However, through circumstances which are not necessary to describe here, I recently found out she is some sort of an exotic dancer at a night club. Not a knock out, but sexy, nonetheless. My question: how would you proceed with this situation? I really would like to get her in bed and sponsorship is an option. What is your advice?CB. The links here make some interesting reading and give some thoughts to what you might be looking for.
'We have a million problems here in Ukraine, but fucking a beautiful woman (or women) is not one of them. '
'Look, just forget everything you know about women, and start over. Be more aggressive. Be a man. We got real problems in this country, so while they may watch Sex And The City just like American girls, they know it's just fantasy and make believe. Reality hits as soon as they leave their desolate apartment and go outside into the real world. And in the real world, we, men, have the upper hand.
The most important thing is to be serious and upfront. Don't bullshit them. Well, at least not initially, If she smells even a whiff of bullshit, she'll be gone and won't ever trust you again. '
'So, if she senses you're fake in someway or other, you're out. A woman here doesn't want to be with some smooth actor, like in America; here she wants to date a man who can stand up and protect her, because the government sure won't. '.
'Remember: Talk less and do more. ' http://www.mavericktraveler.com/game-advice-from-a-ukrainian-guy/
Hence my tip to look for a Lively venue with atmosphere, live music on a lively night of the week where you don't need to talk a lot as your exotic dancer speaks almost no English.
Of course there is Roosh with his tips and guides on banging Ukrainian girls. I read few extracts.
Here is a video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2INybBpXkM.
http://www.rooshv.com/bang-ukraine
I don't know about the above tips as I follow my own game plan.
Good luck
I was encouraged by the calm in Kiev following the ouster of Yanukovytch, and seeing the very low airfares to Kiev offered on Aeroflot via Moscow to Kiev, I decided to book tickets to Kiev for the March 7-10 weekend. But instead of a peaceful election campaign season leading up to the new elections set for the end of May, the Russians are escalating the situation by proceeding with military intervention in Ukraine, despite the warnings to Russia issued by a number of countries, and last night directly by Pres Obama threatening there will be "costs" if Russia intervenes militarily.
I cannot afford to get stuck in Ukraine if Russia stops flights or closes airports, which seems a distinct possibility. So I will probably have to postpone these tickets, just as I had to postpone the tickets for my trip scheduled for the last week of January due to the violence that had erupted.
Any advice or insights are appreciated.
Thank You Irish Lad 4 the tips on uploading the photos. LOL. You might be a bit of a Lad and Irish as well, but 4 sure you ain't that Green,"Born In Nigeria ".
Well here are the rest of the Photos sent to me by Mamba Girl.
Summary of Events so far since 22 Dec 12.
Mamba girl. Looking for a Man on her Profile with a Photo with Dark Hair.
I send her a compliment, she replies, she is a hairdresser (Changes the color of her Hair Often ).
, I reply. I never sent her any Photos, just some profile details..Forgot to update on the above which might be useful for someone dealing with similar scammers on mamba.
Spoke to her on the phone, whoever she was, asked her whether the photos are her's?
She replies, of course mine. Then I said ok, no need for a copy of your passport, you just need to go to a named bank there and present yourself as they've now got my email with a copy of your photos. Once they confirm 2 me you are the girl in the photos the money is yours.
She wouldn't play along with my plan, insisted on going to western union to get any money.
And that was the end of Mamba Romance.
The woman who comes and collects rent from me monthly is an attractive young woman who speaks almost no English, but she is extremely pleasant. However, through circumstances which are not necessary to describe here, I recently found out she is some sort of an exotic dancer at a night club. Not a knock out, but sexy, nonetheless. My question: how would you proceed with this situation? I really would like to get her in bed and sponsorship is an option. What is your advice?If I were in your shoes, I'd head to that club some night.
The fact that you know her already will put her on the back foot as she will probably want to keep her 2 lives separate.
So for the sake of discretion, my guess is that she might be open to some kind of arrangement with you in return for your discretion as regards her other alternative 'career'.
Be friendly, open and confident with her while emphasising that this discovery is your little secret to be shared only between the 2 of you...
Not a knockout? You have been living there too long, my friend. Compare that to the average overweight Canadian girl. I am Canadian too and know what I am talking about. Anyway, advice? DO not let her know you know she is a dancer. Next time, just invite her to a movie or dinner. After yo have sex, ask her what she does for a living, or better yet, just show up at her place of work.
I am living in Kyiv and while things have been generally hairy here the past 10 days, outside of the center it is relatively calm. Not completely calm, but relatively calm. There are many girls in Kyiv looking for a sponsor right now. However, I do need some advice from more experienced mongers. Here is my situation:
I live and work here in Kyiv. I rent a flat near the edge of the city. The woman who comes and collects rent from me monthly is an attractive young woman who speaks almost no English, but she is extremely pleasant. However, through circumstances which are not necessary to describe here, I recently found out she is some sort of an exotic dancer at a night club. Not a knock out, but sexy, nonetheless. My question: how would you proceed with this situation? I really would like to get her in bed and sponsorship is an option. What is your advice?
Hey guys,
Do the clubs begin again to be busy?
I am planning a ten days stay in Kiev in March before heading to Dnepro and Zapo, and IMO the lack of foreigners / sex-hungry visitors should be a very good thing. Less competition = more fun.
YellowPaul
03-04-14, 23:49
Guys. It looks like Ukraine for me is a no go.
I still wanted to meet up with 2-3 girls from Ukraine / Belarus / etc that I know this Summer over 2 weeks. The destination has to be visa free or at least easy to get a visa and relatively inexpensive ($200- $300) to fly in the girls.
I wanted some place cheap, a nice beach, etc and to try for locals or other tourists in the down time between girls. I prefer to rent apt's rather over hotels.
Here is what I have so far:
1) Cyprus. Not much cheaper since economic crisis, especially in high season. Relatively safe and visa free or easy to get and cheap flights $250-300.
2) Turkey. Antalya would be easy choice except since many girls have already been to Turkey, sometimes a few times so they want a different destination.
3) Israel. I have not checked into visa issue for from Russia / Belarus but from Ukraine it is visa free. The night life & beaches of Tel Aviv is something I have always wanted to check out. Surprisingly I have gotten some resistance here as some girls feel that a Israeli stamp will stop them from going to Dubai or other Arab countries in the future.
FYI. This is no longer the case as I read you simply ask them to stamp a piece of paper instead of your passport due to this issue.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Guys. It looks like Ukraine for me is a no go.
I still wanted to meet up with 2-3 girls from Ukraine / Belarus / etc that I know this Summer over 2 weeks. The destination has to be visa free or at least easy to get a visa and relatively inexpensive ($200- $300) to fly in the girls.
I wanted some place cheap, a nice beach, etc and to try for locals or other tourists in the down time between girls. I prefer to rent apt's rather over hotels.
Here is what I have so far:
1) Cyprus. Not much cheaper since economic crisis, especially in high season. Relatively safe and visa free or easy to get and cheap flights $250-300.
2) Turkey. Antalya would be easy choice except since many girls have already been to Turkey, sometimes a few times so they want a different destination.
3) Israel. I have not checked into visa issue for from Russia / Belarus but from Ukraine it is visa free. The night life & beaches of Tel Aviv is something I have always wanted to check out. Surprisingly I have gotten some resistance here as some girls feel that a Israeli stamp will stop them from going to Dubai or other Arab countries in the future.
FYI. This is no longer the case as I read you simply ask them to stamp a piece of paper instead of your passport due to this issue.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.Turkey and Israel are barren. These are not hobbying destinations. Israel is a fantastic vacation / tourism spot, but not for hobbying. Don't know about Cyprus.
If you want a beach too, the only places that I can think of are Pattaya, Rio, and maybe Cartagena (though the beach there is disgusting.) Surprisingly, you can often find Eastern European looking women there (it is Ukraine's most popular export!). In Pattaya, I saw one venue that was run by Russians for Russians, with absolutely gorgeous Ukranian women dancing on the pole.
Member #4274
03-05-14, 02:11
Not a knockout? You have been living there too long, my friend. Compare that to the average overweight Canadian girl. I am Canadian too and know what I am talking about. Anyway, advice? DO not let her know you know she is a dancer. Next time, just invite her to a movie or dinner. After yo have sex, ask her what she does for a living, or better yet, just show up at her place of work.Thank you for the advice! I was about to take it when a potential wrench was thrown into my plans. The hot water faucet at my flat started to leak and I contacted her to have it fixed. She told me her father would come in the next few to repair it. Just this morning he came. Now I wonder if its possible for me to pursue her as her father now knows about me. I really don't need an irritated father showing up at my door because I tried to bang his 19-year old daughter.
As for Steve69, I know what you are saying. I am spoiled here and its gotten to the point that I consider her above average but not a knock out, whatever that means. I am already having regular sex with a university student here in Kyiv (see the attached photo) and its all her idea. I am not sponsoring her or anything like that. That's the benefit of living in a potential war zone: you live precariously.
Guys. It looks like Ukraine for me is a no go.
I still wanted to meet up with 2-3 girls from Ukraine / Belarus / etc that I know this Summer over 2 weeks. The destination has to be visa free or at least easy to get a visa and relatively inexpensive ($200- $300) to fly in the girls.
I wanted some place cheap, a nice beach, etc and to try for locals or other tourists in the down time between girls. I prefer to rent apt's rather over hotels.
Here is what I have so far:
1) Cyprus. Not much cheaper since economic crisis, especially in high season. Relatively safe and visa free or easy to get and cheap flights $250-300..Hi Paul,
I strongly recommend Bulgaria based on the factors you mentioned.
I would also recommend Golden Sands in Bulgaria and not Sunny Beach. A safe compact country very reasonable and in fact the cheapest place in Europe for a hoilday.
http://www.skyscanner.net/news/10-worlds-cheapest-countries-go-holiday
Been there done that including few local girls. Please see my posts in the Bulgaria forum.
Visas are easier as Bulgaria is not in the Schengen visa area.
http://www.mfa.bg/en/pages/133/index.html.
http://www.mfa.bg/uploads/files/Zaqvlenie%20NURIVOVR%20BG. Pdf.
http://www.bulgariavisa-ukraine.com/English/allaboutyourvisas.html
It would be a lot cheaper for getting the girls there by doing it through a reputable travel agency in Kiev booking an inclusive holiday or Flights + Hotels. .
BTW. You can go on a day trip by car from Golden Sands to The Romanian resort of Mamaia.
http://www.party-in-romania.com/clubs-and-beach-bars-in-mamaia/.
2 countries in one day. That said, I much preferred Golden Sands.
Good Luck
El Cubanito
03-05-14, 16:03
Guys. It looks like Ukraine for me is a no go.
I still wanted to meet up with 2-3 girls from Ukraine / Belarus / etc that I know this Summer over 2 weeks. The destination has to be visa free or at least easy to get a visa and relatively inexpensive ($200- $300) to fly in the girls.
I wanted some place cheap, a nice beach, etc and to try for locals or other tourists in the down time between girls. I prefer to rent apt's rather over hotels.
Here is what I have so far:
1) Cyprus. Not much cheaper since economic crisis, especially in high season. Relatively safe and visa free or easy to get and cheap flights $250-300.
2) Turkey. Antalya would be easy choice except since many girls have already been to Turkey, sometimes a few times so they want a different destination.
3) Israel. I have not checked into visa issue for from Russia / Belarus but from Ukraine it is visa free. The night life & beaches of Tel Aviv is something I have always wanted to check out. Surprisingly I have gotten some resistance here as some girls feel that a Israeli stamp will stop them from going to Dubai or other Arab countries in the future.
FYI. This is no longer the case as I read you simply ask them to stamp a piece of paper instead of your passport due to this issue.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.You can take your girl to the Dominican Republic and airfare is not that bad
Paul
Now I see you prefer Apartments, there is a wide choice.
There is of course a budget airline flying from Kiev to Sofia http://wizzair.com/en-GB/Search.
Car hire is cheap in Bulgaria and its only under 4 hours by car from Sofia to Golden Sands. .
For Golden Sands the Airport is Varna. For Sunny Beach its Bourgas.
As I said you can do all these destinations easily by car and get a bit of variety.
YellowPaul
03-05-14, 17:39
Hi Paul,
I strongly recommend Bulgaria based on the factors you mentioned.
Good Luck
Jo
Thanks for all the good information.
I'm definitely not a Maldive's type of guy. LOL
YellowPaul
03-05-14, 17:44
You can take your girl to the Dominican Republic and airfare is not that bad
I have done that before and this has been discussed before on here, the airfare from Kiev to Punta Cana for instance is usually at least $1500, way over my budget but then again I would save some money in flying all the out to Europe.
I figure $300 each in airfare for 2 girls for 4-5 days is reasonable investment. The accommodation does not cost me any additional money so all I'm paying is for food and drinks which most guys do anyways.
If you travel to Kiev just don't stay around euro maidan, all this shit is happening around there not all over KievIn January, I stayed in Podol area, it's the most enjoyable and culturally most interesting neighborhood in Kiev, and furthermore a very "in" area, with plenty of good bars and cafes. You usually don't see here the uncouth sex-hungry foreigners that one finds in the bars and clubs off Khreshatyk.
AColonizer
03-05-14, 20:05
Any girl is good for you? Any girl's nationality and any kind of service is good for you? Is it more important your penis or your brain or both in sex? Frankly, I hate to give my money to girls who could stab me and forget it in the next minute. Also I hate to give my money to girls who don't know how to squeeze their pussies. If your need is just physiological, then any skilled prostitute near your home is good. If your need is a smart holiday, then you should plan it in a different way!
Guys. It looks like Ukraine for me is a no go.
I still wanted to meet up with 2-3 girls from Ukraine / Belarus / etc that I know this Summer over 2 weeks. The destination has to be visa free or at least easy to get a visa and relatively inexpensive ($200- $300) to fly in the girls.
I wanted some place cheap, a nice beach, etc and to try for locals or other tourists in the down time between girls. I prefer to rent apt's rather over hotels.
Here is what I have so far:
1) Cyprus. Not much cheaper since economic crisis, especially in high season. Relatively safe and visa free or easy to get and cheap flights $250-300...
YellowPaul
03-06-14, 23:04
Any girl is good for you? Any girl's nationality and any kind of service is good for you? Is it more important your penis or your brain or both in sex? Frankly, I hate to give my money to girls who could stab me and forget it in the next minute. Also I hate to give my money to girls who don't know how to squeeze their pussies.AC .
Brother sounds like you had some bad experiences so you might not be down with vacation idea but done properly it can be the best vacation with unlimited sex with a girl sometimes half my age, instead of wasting time hunting.
Most of the girls I would consider for a vacation I know personally and have already slept with, a few others I have not met yet but trusted me I have vetted properly to minimize any potential downside. I pay them nothing other the ticket, meals & drinks.
After 3-4 days of same girl, that enough for me and time for the next one to arrive.
Works for me, that's all that matters.
Jo.
Thanks for all the good information.
I'm definitely not a Maldive's type of guy. LOLMontenegro a beautiful place and within the price you mentioned for the girls flights, max Us$300. Just keep the girls away from the Russian Yachts.
Croatia with its beautiful coast.
Something new & exotic beach holiday and cheap living, no shopping for the girls, Albania.
Montenegro and Croatia are not as cheap as Bulgaria to take a UA girl / girls to nor do they have the P4P scene of Bulgaria. Wizzair flies to Croatia and Montenegro easily reached from there by car, bus, or dirct Cheap Flights from Ukraine.
I wouldn't take a girl to a place where she's been there before or where she speaks / understands the language of that country.
Your post given me few ideas to work on along the same line and objectives and not necessarily with Ukrainian Girls.
AColonizer
03-13-14, 01:57
You didn't understand the meaning of my post.
AC.
Brother sounds like you had some bad experiences so you might not be down with vacation idea but done properly it can be the best vacation with unlimited sex with a girl sometimes half my age, instead of wasting time hunting.
Most of the girls I would consider for a vacation I know personally and have already slept with, a few others I have not met yet but trusted me I have vetted properly to minimize any potential downside. I pay them nothing other the ticket, meals & drinks.
After 3-4 days of same girl, that enough for me and time for the next one to arrive.
Works for me, that's all that matters.
Member #4274
03-13-14, 15:08
I said in my last post concerning the exchange rate that I would report any change I see here in Kyiv. Well, there has been a definite change today. Most banks / exchange booths have 1 USD for 9. 2 to 9. 35 UAH. I even saw a booth in the basement of Ocean Plaza offering 1 USD for 9. 5 UAH. A dramatic increase from Tuesday. I've been reading reports that the UAH will soon hover around 10 to 10. 1 against the dollar for the rest of 2014. Anyway, not that I wish to belabour the point, just thought some of you who are planning to come to Ukraine soon might be curious.
You can always send me a PM if you wish to know the exchange at a later date. What the internet states and what the actual exchange rate is here is Kyiv is rarely the same. I always watch it closely as I keep a stash of American currency when abroad.
I said in my last post concerning the exchange rate that I would report any change I see here in Kyiv. Well, there has been a definite change today. Most banks / exchange booths have 1 USD for 9. 2 to 9. 35 UAH. I even saw a booth in the basement of Ocean Plaza offering 1 USD for 9. 5 UAH. A dramatic increase from Tuesday. I've been reading reports that the UAH will soon hover around 10 to 10. 1 against the dollar for the rest of 2014. Anyway, not that I wish to belabour the point, just thought some of you who are planning to come to Ukraine soon might be curious.
You can always send me a PM if you wish to know the exchange at a later date. What the internet states and what the actual exchange rate is here is Kyiv is rarely the same. I always watch it closely as I keep a stash of American currency when abroad.Thank you CB for your updates from Kiev.
Just checked my Bible Bloomberg. Com for exchange rates and its 9.305 uah to the US$
On Yahoo currency converter its 9.287 uah.
. Isn't Odessa iwhere "finding a bride" is located?
I have never been to Ukraine, and am now sad that I waited too long.From what I read Nikolaev is the city for finding brides in the Ukraine.
This video is a recent one Nov 2013.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF4t5wGTAIA
What have you been waiting for P4P, or a Uktrainian Bride?
Plenty of time for either scenario.
Member #4274
03-13-14, 23:02
Whaddya think boys? I met her the other day here in Kyiv. Mid-twenties. 168 cm tall and needs financial assistance. Agreed to 1000 UAH + taxi for a few hours at my flat when I want it. Is she worth it?
What do you think, boys? I met her the other day here in Kyiv. Mid-twenties. 168 cm tall and needs financial assistance. Agreed to 1000 UAH + taxi for a few hours at my flat when I want it. Is she worth it?Sponsorship: For me she wouldn't be worth it, not attractive enough.
1000 + taxi for a few hours: she is good enough to try
YellowPaul
03-13-14, 23:19
Whaddya think boys? I met her the other day here in Kyiv. Mid-twenties. 168 cm tall and needs financial assistance. Agreed to 1000 UAH + taxi for a few hours at my flat when I want it. Is she worth it?I was hoping for younger and maybe a over night for 1000 UAH. She is nice but maybe the prices have not come down enough for me yet.
Member #4274
03-13-14, 23:23
I was hoping for younger and maybe a over night for 1000 UAH. She is nice but maybe the prices have not come down enough for me yet.Its not so much she is the norm as, like you, I usually go for younger. I am just debating whether or not she is worth it. Considering the exchange the prices are going down but you have to remember Kyiv is an expensive city to live in. She also told me after the first time together she is willing to stay the night, no problem, if we like each others company. By the way, younger is not always better. Most women in their mid-twenties are much better in bed than women in their late teens and early twenties.
Whaddya think boys? I met her the other day here in Kyiv. Mid-twenties. 168 cm tall and needs financial assistance. Agreed to 1000 UAH + taxi for a few hours at my flat when I want it. Is she worth it?She dose have a great body! Makes me feel robed when I consider paying few Mamba girls 200$ + dinner for a sex date. But I guess its a bonus since you are living there)!
Member #4274
03-13-14, 23:36
She dose have a great body! Makes me feel robed when I consider paying few Mamba girls 200$ + dinner for a sex date. But I guess its a bonus since you are living there)!I agree with you. Sure, she isn't a super model, but she has a sexy figure. I've seen more photos of her and she has great legs and a hot little ass. 1000 UAH (108 USD) and she will hang out with me all evening.
Poker Player 2
03-13-14, 23:40
You kill me man! I am so envious. Enjoy your days in Kiev my friend. Enjoy.
Whaddya think boys? I met her the other day here in Kyiv. Mid-twenties. 168 cm tall and needs financial assistance. Agreed to 1000 UAH + taxi for a few hours at my flat when I want it. Is she worth it?
Whaddya think boys? I met her the other day here in Kyiv. Mid-twenties. 168 cm tall and needs financial assistance. Agreed to 1000 UAH + taxi for a few hours at my flat when I want it. Is she worth it?CB,
If I were you try her once, if you like her, repeat. If not, get her to do some scouting & hunting for you and pay her commission, finders fees. And if she is BI, then she will be more than happy to go along with it.
Only you can judge if she is worth it. She can end up being a good friend, contact for you.
BTW, she does look BI.
Best contacts are referrals by other girls.
LOL. Just read this tip.
" make new female friends, and start going out.
And remember, the next time you're on a date and you're short on money, just borrow money from a pessimist because they won't expect it back."
Member #4274
03-14-14, 03:31
CB,
If I were you try her once, if you like her, repeat. If not, get her to do some scouting & hunting for you and pay her commission, finders fees. And if she is BI, then she will be more than happy to go along with it.
Only you can judge if she is worth it. She can end up being a good friend, contact for you.
BTW, she does look BI.
Best contacts are referrals by other girls.
LOL. Just read this tip.
" make new female friends, and start going out.
And remember, the next time you're on a date and you're short on money, just borrow money from a pessimist because they won't expect it back."Jojo, of all the advice you have given over the past 3 years, and it has been plentiful and valuable, this might be the best. You're right, she does look a little bi, doesn't she? Will let you know after Saturday. I will report everything I discover, for sure.
Greetings Everyone,
I moved the last several pages of discussion regarding "Ukraine Politics" to a new thread in this forum titled "Ukraine Politics".
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3566-Ukraine-Politics
This "Thread Splitting" process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently moved / did not move a few reports. If you find that your own report was also moved / not moved, please don't take it personally.
Thanks,
Jackson
Member #4274
03-15-14, 20:37
My girlfriend left for Donetsk a few days ago and as I have every Saturday off from work, I decided to have some fun. I contacted Nastya, the woman in the pink dress whose picture I posted a few days back. She told me her period started today but would I be happy with just receiving a loving blow job? I told I needed more than that and to contact me when she was able to have sex. She agreed.
So, I sent an SMS to Lidiya, the woman I met on Valentines Day (check my Feb. 16 post ). Lidiya is a half Ukrainian, half Polish 24year old woman who, despite being sweet and shy, loves to be fucked hard from behind and loves to have her hair pulled and ass slapped. She agreed to come over for 1000 UAH +taxi. I popped half a little blue pill, washed it down with Makers Mark bourbon, put on Ladytron's album '604' (chicks in all countries are impressed when they hear Ladytron and its good music to fuck to) and she arrived. She smelt wonderful. I made here a couple martinis, I drained another glass of bourbon and when I ran my hand up her skirt and found her wet, well . . . .
Not only is she a fun person to spend time with, but Lidiya loves to suck dick. Even between rounds of sex she will suddenly disappear beneath the blankets treat me like a popsicle. Another thing I like about her is her pussy. She has one of the nicest and tightest pussies I have ever seen. When I pulled out my Blackberry and asked to take a picture of it she blushed and refused. I even produced a 20 dollar American bill to let me take a picture of it but she said no, adding "Look, I know it seems like I'm not a modest girl, but I really am. ' Sorry, boys, I would have posted that pic with this post, for sure. So, I posted two photos of her I found on her Facebook account (she's the one in green in the second photo).
As she was kissing me goodbye, she told me she would be leaving at the end of March to travel abroad for three months. I decided to take Jojo's advice and tell her if she can introduce me to a woman like her to fuck while she was away, I would gladly give her that 20 dollar bill. She smiled and agreed to try. Its not that I don't have other girls I can meet, I just figured Lidiya is a sexy, dependable fuck. One of those usually has friends who are the same, or so I believe. We also agreed to meet this week and fuck before she went abroad.
After she left I drank another glass of bourbon to wash the taste of her pussy out of my mouth and decided to hop the metro to Lybidska and to Ocean Plaza to do some shopping. On Saturday Ocean Plaza is a zoo and the animals are pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy. Young, hot pussy and even some impressive mature pussy. When I stopped to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) I could still smell Lidiya's pussy on my cock as I forgot to shower before I left my flat. I sent an SMS to her laughing about it and she said it was cool to walk around Kyiv smelling like you just had sex.
I was hungry and decided to have some borsch and a glass of cognac at Chilli Pizza in the mall while I listened to The Beastie Boys on my IPod. As I was leaving I felt a tug on the back of my hoody. I turned around and there was a very cute, short, bright eyed young woman smiling up at me. She started talking, new my name and I vaguely remembered her face. In my line of work I meet a lot of people and see a lot of faces. I might have met her at my office or at one of the many social functions I attend. As I am usually drinking at these functions I don't always remembered everyone I meet. Regardless, she was extremely cute, animated and flirty. She told me she was just at a great Italian restaurant called 'Olivia' near Poshtova Poscha metro station with her friends. While talking to her and stealthily checking out her cleavage and little ass in tight jeans, the Viagra began to kick in again, producing a very noticeable raging hard on in the middle of Ocean Plaza. Thankfully her phone rang and she excused herself for a moment. I was able to adjust myself accordingly before her attention returned to me.
I had no idea what her name was or how she knew me but I was already imagining her giving me head so I took a chance and suggested she show me this great Italian restaurant sometime. She smiled bright, agreed and I gave her my number. I watched her little ass wiggle down the mall and laughed that I still had no idea what her name was.
After I got home I had another bourbon, read the news online, read some Hemingway and crashed for two hours. When I awoke there were four new text messages waiting for me. The first was from my lovely girlfriend. She said she missed me and would be back Wednesday night and wanted to come stay with me. The second was from Nastya, the woman in the pink dress, and she wanted to come over Wednesday night and did I like it when a woman wears stockings in bed? The third was from Lidiya, she suggested a Wednesday night fuck as she would be busy with her business the rest of the week. The last came from that short cutie I ran into at Ocean Plaza. She had Wednesday night free and would love to take me to Olivia's.
. . . . Fuck!
Jelly Donut
03-15-14, 23:00
Olivia's.I know it's not a democracy, but I vote for the Italian restaurant. Of all the alternatives I'm most curious what's down that road, although I suppose she is the easiest to put off for another evening.
You've mentioned in previous posts you dress well, but it sounds like you can make things happen in a hoody. Fairly considered, I'd figure for the mall a hoody is dressing appropriately. However, I'm curious about "dressing well" in general. When relaxing I tend toward clothes from, say, a label like "Territory Ahead". On vacation, at the most formal, I'm in an oxford shirt and a silk sport coat. I have no idea if this is considered "dressing well" in Russia, Ukraine and the like. I've seen men in Kiev in suits and felt like my opinion might not match up with the prevailing Ukrainian women's opinion. Some of the suits seem very poorly tailored and synthetic.
As I get older, I need every charm I can claim. Obviously, I'd like to send a message along the lines of "I dress well and can pay bills; I am not from around here; feel free to tug on my hoody". That kind of thing. On the other hand, I don't want to spend a lot of money on clothes that I might only use rarely or not at all outside Kiev or Moscow.
I know there have been some posts along these lines in the past on this forum, but if someone could address the subject generally and provide some specific labels, it could help me quite a bit.
Member #4274
03-16-14, 01:33
Mr. Donut, a well-worded inquiry and one I enjoy responding to. I cannot speak for all mongers on here but I sincerely feel I can go toe-to-toe with anyone when considering fashion. First rule, you must make it your own. No use wearing something you are not comfortable in. It needs to reflect who you are and it needs to look natural on you. Second rule, shoes are the most important part of your outfit. I prefer Cole Haan, Lacoste and Fred Perry. Lacoste is better for summer. Lastly, women in Eastern Europe love a man in a tie. Yes, that short, cutie at Ocean Plaza caught me in a hoodie, slim fit Levis jeans and a pair of Pumas that are not available in Eastern Europe. But she has normally seen me in a suit. Or at least a Banana Republic blazer, Club Monaco Oxford shirt, knitted tie, and Cole Haan shoes. When you are 40, like me, it is necessary to land a 20-year old freebies like my girlfriend or the honey from Ocean Plaza. If you are just going to pay straight up for sex then it does not matter. By the way, you are right about Eastern European men, they often wear poorly cut clothes, but that is often a result of their financial circumstances, not their taste. I hope this helps, sir!
Livin' the dream CanadianBoy!
YellowPaul
03-17-14, 13:17
CB.
Are you paying your regular girlfriend anything extra or just paying the expenses?
If she was bi-sexual that would be the ideal situation.
Member #4274
03-17-14, 13:54
CB.
Are you paying your regular girlfriend anything extra or just paying the expenses?
If she was bi-sexual that would be the ideal situation.No, my girlfriend and I have a regular relationship. She never asks me for money nor will accept any when I offer. I met her 3 or 4 months ago at a Novus grocery store near where I live. She worked in the wine section and would help customers find whatever wine they were searching for. She was 19 then and looked very sexy in the uniform they provided. So, I started up a conversation with her. Soon she added me to her Facebook and we started chatting. She told me her mother lived in Donetsk while she was studying at university here in Kyiv. To help support herself she worked at Novus occasionally and traveled to Moscow to do some erotic modelling (I posted one of her photos on this thread a while back). She said she liked older men and was interested in a relationship only. The fact I was living full-time in Kyiv gave me the opportunity with her. Of course she made it clear I needed to impress her and I did. Bought her nice gifts, invited her to my flat and made her dinner, took her to nice restaurants etc. She made me wait one month to have sex with her. Well worth it, though. However, she is very busy between studying, going to Moscow and visiting Donetsk that I don't always get to see her very often. In truth I use to be very loyal to her.
However, about 6 or 7 weeks ago I caught her in a lie. She was hanging around with some 30 year old Ukrainian guy who had fallen in love with her. Its a long story how I found this out. What pissed me off was when I asked her about her life she never once told me anything about him. She assured me nothing was happening sexually with him and I wasn't so sure. So, I decided to give her another chance but I also decided to start running around on her.
As for being bi sexual, she is not, really. She told me she kissed girls in the past but is far too jealous to watch me fuck another woman.
. She told me she was just at a great Italian restaurant called 'Olivia' near Poshtova Poscha metro station with her friends.Many good and "in" cafes and restaurant in Podol, especially between Kontraktova and Poshtova squares. It's definitely a trendy neighborhood, and most venues are filled with attractive well-heeled women in the evening. You won't see there your usual Kreshatik uncouth sex-hungry tourist.
One of my fav place in Podol is Tarantino:
http://restorania.com/company/tarantino-grilmb-vayn-bar-43072/
Canadianboy, since you live in Kiev you may want to read the last 2 paragraphs of this post:
https://www.facebook.com/euromaidanpr/posts/242478729269270
Member #4274
03-17-14, 22:23
Canadianboy, since you live in Kiev you may want to read the last 2 paragraphs of this post:
https://www.facebook.com/euromaidanpr/posts/242478729269270I have already informed my colleagues here in Kyiv that if the Russians cross the border or leave the Crimean peninsula I will have to leave Ukraine immediately. They understand. Lets hope this does not happen.
Gentleman Travel
03-17-14, 22:27
After I got home I had another bourbon, read the news online, read some Hemingway and crashed for two hours. When I awoke there were four new text messages waiting for me. The first was from my lovely girlfriend. She said she missed me and would be back Wednesday night and wanted to come stay with me. The second was from Nastya, the woman in the pink dress, and she wanted to come over Wednesday night and did I like it when a woman wears stockings in bed? The third was from Lidiya, she suggested a Wednesday night fuck as she would be busy with her business the rest of the week. The last came from that short cutie I ran into at Ocean Plaza. She had Wednesday night free and would love to take me to Olivia's.
. Fuck!CB, I am hoping to be there soon to help you handle the volume, but probably not in time for Wednesday.
Whaddya think boys? I met her the other day here in Kyiv. Mid-twenties. 168 cm tall and needs financial assistance. Agreed to 1000 UAH + taxi for a few hours at my flat when I want it. Is she worth it?She has a big head, but a good price to try out for a few hours.
Member #4274
03-18-14, 07:54
Many good and "in" cafes and restaurant in Podol, especially between Kontraktova and Poshtova squares. It's definitely a trendy neighborhood, and most venues are filled with attractive well-heeled women in the evening. You won't see there your usual Kreshatik uncouth sex-hungry tourist.
One of my fav place in Podol is Tarantino:
http://restorania.com/company/tarantino-grilmb-vayn-bar-43072/Thank you for the suggestion, sir, I will be sure to check it out! I have been in this area before and you're right about the amount of attractive young women there, especially in the evening.
My girlfriend left for Donetsk a few days ago and as I have every Saturday off from work, I decided to have some fun. I contacted Nastya, the woman in the pink dress whose picture I posted a few days back. She told me her period started today but would I be happy with just receiving a loving blow job? I told I needed more than that and to contact me when she was able to have sex. She agreed.
So, I sent an SMS to Lidiya, the woman I met on Valentines Day (check my Feb. 16 post ). Lidiya is a half Ukrainian, half Polish 24year old woman who, despite being sweet and shy, loves to be fucked hard from behind and loves to have her hair pulled and ass slapped. She agreed to come over for 1000 UAH +taxi. I popped half a little blue pill, washed it down with Makers Mark bourbon, put on Ladytron's album '604' (chicks in all countries are impressed when they hear Ladytron and its good music to fuck to) and she arrived. She smelt wonderful. I made here a couple martinis, I drained another glass of bourbon and when I ran my hand up her skirt and found her wet, well. .
Not only is she a fun person to spend time with, but Lidiya loves to suck dick. Even between rounds of sex she will suddenly disappear beneath the blankets treat me like a popsicle. Another thing I like about her is her pussy...Nice report. You are really lucky to live in Kiev. I've been considering moving there for a while, but it does not seem to be the right time right now.
It's amazing how women look different in different photos. Lidiya doesn't look good in the first photo but look fantastic in the second.
Good luck on Wednesday with 4 girls!
I myself just spent a week in Dominican Republic with a regular girl from Ukraine and had a blast.
Member #4274
03-20-14, 12:17
Nearly four years ago, I was lucky enough to visit River Palace a half-dozen times before it suddenly closed. Actually, I happened to be there the night before it was shut down for good. Anyway, I kept the numbers of the girls I had met there just in case I ever returned to Kyiv, which I did in October. Out of curiosity, I sent an SMS to a few of them when I arrived to see if they would not only respond but remember me. Of the four, no one responded until yesterday, oddly, 5 months after I sent the texts. However, with so much pussy around I completely forgot I sent those messages back in October.
Vika was a very sexy 21 year old university student back in 2010. I actually thought she looked like a brunette version of Cameron Diaz. I met her at R.P. and spent a few wonderful nights with her during the summer of 2010. One weekend when she went away I asked if she had a friend who could 'fill the gap' in her absence. She said she had a roommate who would meet with me. Her name was Olga and she was an absolute knock-out. Unlike a lot of Ukrainian women who are lean, Olga, who was 20 then, had a figure like Marilyn Monroe and a natural blonde. Her tits were immaculate. Olga told me then she never went to River Palace but would sometimes meet with men Vika liked and trusted.
Anyway, Vika is now married with a child but told me Olga would like to meet with me sometime soon. Olga sent me a SMS moments ago asking if I remembered her (how could I not?) and if I would like to meet her for a drink sometime. Definitely going to try to fit her in this weekend.
Anyone else stay in contact with girls they met at River Palace?
Member #4491
03-21-14, 16:25
Hello folks,
Any of you that met A?
http://www.mamba.ru/mb929708645?hit=7
I know she is real from f2f Skypies and wants action, but not sure what kind. At first she liked me, then she did not like me. Now we are back to talking. Always good to get a second opinion before I dream myself away further in her juggernauts (visible on her VK that anyone with the slightest computer skills easily can find).
B
Member #4491
03-21-14, 17:36
Was laughing about your Wednesday dilemma, CB. Pleasant problem to have, yet one that needs to be handled so non of the little birds fly away.
I would not trust that girl saying she is not banging the UK guy. You know why, so no need to go into details about girls in Kiev and Kharkov I know that are fucking locals behind the back of foreign boyfriends and sponsors. For me it does not matter so much. I like slutty behavior in all forms. The more the merrier, as long as it is not from my fiancee and she is a long way from Kiev anyway.
That 1000 UAH girl is probably waiting for your counter bid. My guess is that 600+taxi would do it.
Canceled my March trip as well, but after three weeks in Asia I will travel to Kiev and Kharkov (a super long term project in Kharkov finally decided she is ready to fuck me) so hope we can meet up for a drink and chat in early May, CB. Enjoy reading your reports!
Take it easy and keep it sleazy guys.
B
Many good and "in" cafes and restaurant in Podol, especially between Kontraktova and Poshtova squares. It's definitely a trendy neighborhood, and most venues are filled with attractive well-heeled women in the evening. You won't see there your usual Kreshatik uncouth sex-hungry tourist.Tallies with my own observations and experiences.
The second was from Nastya, the woman in the pink dress, and she wanted to come over Wednesday night and did I like it when a woman wears stockings in bed?
CB, I hope you said yes! :)
I have already informed my colleagues here in Kyiv that if the Russians cross the border or leave the Crimean peninsula I will have to leave Ukraine immediately. They understand. Lets hope this does not happen.Why so???
Member #4274
03-22-14, 02:41
CB, I hope you said yes! .
Why so?I actually had Nastya (the woman in the pink dress I posted a few days ago) to my flat tonight, she just left one hour ago. My first impression was that she was average. Yes, she was sweet and seemed to have a nice figure but I was not overly impressed with her at first. However, after a few drinks we moved into my bedroom and I was shocked at how terrific her body was. I love Ukrainian women but they rarely have a terrific ass. Well, Nastya does. One of the nicest asses I have ever seen. Anyway, she stayed for four hours and could not have been a better girlfriend. Well worth the 1000 UAH+ taxi. She actually invited me over to her flat Sunday night for a late dinner and another round of fucking. Although I am about to swear off sponsor girls and concentrate on the many freebies available here in Kyiv, I must admit Nastya left me wanting to see her more.
TexasMorrell
03-23-14, 03:12
From what I read Nikolaev is the city for finding brides in the Ukraine.
This video is a recent one Nov 2013.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF4t5wGTAIA
What have you been waiting for P4P, or a Uktrainian Bride?
Plenty of time for either scenario.Those things are cattle calls. They are stupid and demeaning. Bunch of western losers ogling beautiful Ukrainian women who are way out of their league. If you can't meet women on your own in a place like Ukraine then you cannot meet women anywhere and you are beyond help.
Anyone else stay in contact with girls they met at River Palace?I wish I had :(
There was one really hot girl there called Angela. Not sure if you had ever met her CB but I'm sure you will know if you did because she was an absolute stunner. She was the only girl that I ever repeated with from my half a dozen or so visits to RP from Oct 2007 to May 2009. She would never permit me to take photos of her so I was pleasantly surprised when I saw pictures of her from Roundabout's posting in the photo section (link attached of original post) and samples below. She is the one on the left with the tanned body and amazing derriere.
Hyatt fun, Cheaper than you think..250 USD a piece for night (well night 01:00 to 06:00)
I'll be interested to know if anyone knows of her current status and whereabouts.
On another note, does anyone know what caused the demise of River Palace back in 2010? Was it due to politics i.e. a crackdown from the then incoming Yanukovych government or some other financial corruption/tax evasion charges?
Also I had read recently some rumours about a possible resurrection of River Palace. Does anybody know if there is any truth in that?
Howie
Gentleman Travel
03-23-14, 16:57
I am planning a trip to Kiev in the near future and CB, I really appreciate your detailed reports.
In the past I have always been pressed for time in Ukraine and constrained by business circumstances.
Which has quite limited my options for pursuing non-pro options, although I have had some success.
This time I expect to be there for a couple of months and have an apartment, so it is a totally different situation.
I have started cultivating some leads and find that mid-30s MILFs are pretty responsive. Which is fine, I am mid-50s, so they look pretty good to me, for freebies.
I also have a couple of promising under 30 beauties, but wonder if they are too good to be true. I might find they have a hidden agenda.
But in addition I am thinking of sponsoring a student to use as a "daily driver". Nightly mid-week bang & blow sessions. Then spend the weekends working on my freebies. This will also allow me to arrange "first dates" with prospects mid-week, without the pressure of trying to bed them on the first date, since I will have a sponsorship girl on booty call. I have not begun negotiations with anyone yet, but am thinking of $1000 per month for 3 or 4 nights per week. Any comments on how realistic / foolish this is?
I want to be cautious about over-preparing or over-committing, when I see the kind of success CB is having (and Yummy on the Moscow thread). Any suggestions?
GT
Member #4274
03-24-14, 15:21
I am planning a trip to Kiev in the near future and CB, I really appreciate your detailed reports.
In the past I have always been pressed for time in Ukraine and constrained by business circumstances.
Which has quite limited my options for pursuing non-pro options, although I have had some success.
This time I expect to be there for a couple of months and have an apartment, so it is a totally different situation.
I have started cultivating some leads and find that mid-30s MILFs are pretty responsive. Which is fine, I am mid-50s, so they look pretty good to me, for freebies.
I also have a couple of promising under 30 beauties, but wonder if they are too good to be true. I might find they have a hidden agenda.
But in addition I am thinking of sponsoring a student to use as a "daily driver". Nightly mid-week bang & blow sessions. Then spend the weekends working on my freebies. This will also allow me to arrange "first dates" with prospects mid-week, without the pressure of trying to bed them on the first date, since I will have a sponsorship girl on booty call. I have not begun negotiations with anyone yet, but am thinking of $1000 per month for 3 or 4 nights per week. Any comments on how realistic / foolish this is?
I want to be cautious about over-preparing or over-committing, when I see the kind of success CB is having (and Yummy on the Moscow thread). Any suggestions?
GTIt doesn't sound like the worst idea, GT, and maybe some other mongers will disagree but let me give you some advice or things to consider.
First, with the failing UAH, stop thinking in USD and start thinking in UAH. Prices here are generally the same since the UAH began to fall dramatically (although I have noticed some changes) and it'll cost you less to pay with it. Some girls might shoot a USD price when you inquire of their services but insist you will only have UAH's. Shoot them a return prices lower than the exchange of the USD. For example its 1 USD for 10. 5 UAH today. If they say 200 USD return with 1200 UAH or less, depending upon how hot she is. With the exchange this has saved me a lot of dough. Now, she might refuse and say its not enough, but don't discard her. Stay in touch telling her 'maybe' and when you arrive contact her again with the price you quoted. She may change her tune knowing you are actually in Kyiv and considering the financial situation of the country right now. For the record, I have not paid more than 1000 UAH and I've gotten some great, worthwhile sex.
Lastly, giving a woman a lump sum is risky as the quality of service may decrease. For instance, I always tell a woman the first time I meet with her that is if she proves to be a good, loving and capable fuck she will get repeat service, for sure. That has served me well.
CB, what is your exit plan in case the russians cross the border?
All the southeast regions plus chernigov and Kiev are in their plans.
For airports you have 2 choices and I'm sure there will be many many people at Borispol trying to leave:
Boryspil (Borispol) Airport Kiev.
Snilow Airport Lviv
Member #4274
03-24-14, 22:20
CB, what is your exit plan in case the russians cross the border?
All the southeast regions plus chernigov and Kiev are in their plans.
For airports you have 2 choices and I'm sure there will be many many people at Borispol trying to leave:
Boryspil (Borispol) Airport Kiev.
Snilow Airport LvivWell, if the airport proves impossible then I will hop on a train and head to Lviv. From there I can simply cross to Krakow and onto to Canada, if I chose. I think Western Ukraine will be very safe. I even know people in Rivne, if necessary. However, I have friends in Budapest, Vienna, Berlin and Talllinn, as well. I might just kick it in Europe for the summer months. Lets hope it doesn't come to that.
This studentka I need to impress wants to go out for dinner and to Decadence club in Kiev. Now I never been to this club and I am always aware thowards cost of investment. Wanted to ask about prices at this club since am sure many people at this bord have payed a visit there at least once. Prices on drinks, table etc would be nice too know.
If its turn out to be too expencive I am dropping this hunt and move on to less requaering dievuskas who do not mind 200$ for evening and night.
Didn't have a problem with face control at the door of this club when I went there with a good looking girl in tow. Prices were ok compared to other clubs I go to.
Reviews of this club are here to get the general picture http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction_Review-g294474-d3752899-Reviews-Decadence_House-Kiev.html.
"The problems starts when you arrive at the club. At the entrance, a cheap-looking tall girl (most likely resident of some depressing Kiev suburb) is making the decisions about who gets in the club.
The girl told us that if we have not ordered a table and paid a deposit in advance or are not on a 'guest list' she would not let us in.
She had the same message for a couple from Moscow, who were dressed in expensive designer outfits (Dolce&Gabbana, Gucci) and without any doubt met the club's target audience (see above). The Moscow couple was completely shocked as they are frequent guests to the most fashionable Moscow and (also London) clubs. This had never happened to them.".
Moscow couple will have more of a problem now.
Mongers need to start learning Ukrainian.
Didn't have a problem with face control at the door of this club when I went there with a good looking girl in tow. Prices were ok compared to other clubs I go to.
Reviews of this club are here to get the general picture.
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction_Review-g294474-d3752899-Reviews-Decadence_House-Kiev.html.
"The problems starts when you arrive at the club. At the entrance, a cheap-looking tall girl (most likely resident of some depressing Kiev suburb) is making the decisions about who gets in the club.
The girl told us that if we have not ordered a table and paid a deposit in advance or are not on a 'guest list' she would not let us in.
She had the same message for a couple from Moscow, who were dressed in expensive designer outfits (Dolce&Gabbana, Gucci) and without any doubt met the club's target audience (see above). The Moscow couple was completely shocked as they are frequent guests to the most fashionable Moscow and (also London) clubs. This had never happened to them.".
Moscow couple will have more of a problem now.
Mongers need to start learning Ukrainian.Sounds good. Should go fine to enter the club, since diev am taking with me is a part time model and dresses really good.
YellowPaul
03-25-14, 23:36
Didn't have a problem with face control at the door of this club when I went there with a good looking girl in tow. Prices were ok compared to other clubs I go to.
Reviews of this club are here to get the general picture.
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction_Review-g294474-d3752899-Reviews-Decadence_House-Kiev.html.
"The problems starts when you arrive at the club. At the entrance, a cheap-looking tall girl (most likely resident of some depressing Kiev suburb) is making the decisions about who gets in the club.
The girl told us that if we have not ordered a table and paid a deposit in advance or are not on a 'guest list' she would not let us in.
She had the same message for a couple from Moscow, who were dressed in expensive designer outfits (Dolce&Gabbana, Gucci) and without any doubt met the club's target audience (see above). The Moscow couple was completely shocked as they are frequent guests to the most fashionable Moscow and (also London) clubs. This had never happened to them.".
Moscow couple will have more of a problem now.
Mongers need to start learning Ukrainian.They tried face control on me and my wingman back in Sept. The blah blah that we need to get table and then tried steering us to the over priced strip joint next door. First option was to trying talking to the 2 girls behind us who also got rejected, to go together to a another club but only 1 girl was doable.
In the end we paid off the security 500 UAH for both of to get in. From the recent pictures on Facebook of the club is not busy which is not surprising considering current events. I was not impressed with the women but the music was very good. Better to go with a girl there then pick one there as it there are not many obvious working girls there.
I am planning a trip to Kiev in the near future and CB, I really appreciate your detailed reports.
In the past I have always been pressed for time in Ukraine and constrained by business circumstances.
Which has quite limited my options for pursuing non-pro options, although I have had some success.
This time I expect to be there for a couple of months and have an apartment, so it is a totally different situation.
I have started cultivating some leads and find that mid-30s MILFs are pretty responsive. Which is fine, I am mid-50s, so they look pretty good to me, for freebies.
I also have a couple of promising under 30 beauties, but wonder if they are too good to be true. I might find they have a hidden agenda.
But in addition I am thinking of sponsoring a student to use as a "daily driver". Nightly mid-week bang & blow sessions. Then spend the weekends working on my freebies. This will also allow me to arrange "first dates" with prospects mid-week, without the pressure of trying to bed them on the first date, since I will have a sponsorship girl on booty call. I have not begun negotiations with anyone yet, but am thinking of $1000 per month for 3 or 4 nights per week. Any comments on how realistic / foolish this is?
I want to be cautious about over-preparing or over-committing, when I see the kind of success CB is having (and Yummy on the Moscow thread). Any suggestions?
GTYour offer of $1000 USD per month is guaranteed to turn a lot of heads in Ukraine, where most people have monthly salaries in the $300 to $400 dollar a month range. A girl could live a luxurious life like a queen on $1000 / month in a place like Kiev. This is far beyond the requirements or expectations of sponsorship of all but the most diva-like top models. It is certainly much more than is necessary for full long term sponsorship of most studentkas. And I'm talking about full time girlfriend status for such full sponsorship of all her expenses, in which she is your exclusive girlfriend, and available only to you, at any time you wish, and to no others, in exchange for such full and complete sponsorship of all her reasonable expenses. Basically, with amounts of support that you are proposing, you are essentially agreeing to fully support her, as one would a wife.
So, I think that instead of proposing a very large sum like $1000 / month, a better way to approach this would be to ask her, before you propose long term sponsorship, what amount she is living on presently, and what her monthly rent, education, food, and other expenses are. You will no doubt find she currently has expenses that are less than half of the amount you suggested. Also a sponsorship arrangement can be for all, or part of a girl's monthly expenses. And if you pay all of her expenses, and fully support her, you are entitled to expect her to be your exclusive girlfriend, and to be entitled to all of her leisure or recreational time, if you want it. And if you are busy with your other business or things you must attend to, then you can let her know you will be busy, and will not be with her at those times. She does not need to live in a luxury apartment in downtown Kiev, and she most likely doesn't live downtown currently. She will most likely be living in a much lower cost apartment farther away from downtown. If it was truly a long term sponsorship relationship you were seeking, then probably renting a reasonably priced apartment for her to live in, and to be a location where you can come to be with her, might be the most convenient for you. However, since you are really only thinking of several months, you need to have her continue to live where she currently lives, so that when you discontinue the sponsorship, it does not create as huge an upheaval. But you should negotiate this as if it is for long term sponsorship so that the amount of support agreed on will be an amount reasonable for long term sponsorship. I wouldn't mention up front that it is only for a short term of a few months, because then the price will be much higher. You are entitled to try it out and see if the relationship works for you. If it does, and you begin to have feelings for her, you may actually want to continue to sponsor her for long term, and so that she will continue to be your girlfriend and be there for you whenever you return to Kiev, as you no doubt will return. And if you don't have such feelings for her, there are no guarantees in romance, and you can decide to break up if you don't want to continue the relationship with her, in whole, or in part.
So the correct amount to offer for long term sponsorship, is the amount she actually needs to cover all her expenses, for rent, for school, for food, for medical, for clothing, etc, in supplement to whatever income she may have from a regular job, if she has one. I suspect that all of these expenses will likely cost much less than $500 / month in actuality. So it is probably better for you to approach this as a needs-based inquiry, since you are talking about a sponsorship to take care of all her actual needs. Rather than a profit-driven negotiation, where she is seeking to negotiate a p4p price for as high an amount as she can. So before plopping out an extremely high offer of $1000 / month support, simply ask her what her current income is, and what her current rent and other expenses are. Then, when you know what she actually needs, you can propose to take care of her like a girlfriend, in a long term sponsorship relationship.
How can 500$ cover girls expences on cloth and living when even pair of normal womens shose cost 500$.
Class cost even in Ukraine.
Poker Player 2
03-26-14, 17:41
I think it is possible to find an English speaking student girl for sponsorship and romance for $500 a month for a couple of months. But guaranteed to turn heads? I am not so sure. While not impossible, I think that would be a very good find indeed. I think some members know a different Ukraine than I or perhaps there is some exaggeration or boasting going on. I wonder if GT would report on his actual trip and let us know what he finds once he lands on the ground. $500 a month sponsorship for a decent looking, English speaking girl would be a good deal anywhere in the world and I wish those enjoying such an arrangement all the best.
How can 500$ cover girls expences on cloth and living when even pair of normal womens shose cost 500$.
Class cost even in Ukraine.
I think it is possible to find an English speaking student girl for sponsorship and romance for $500 a month for a couple of months. But guaranteed to turn heads? I am not so sure. While not impossible, I think that would be a very good find indeed. I think some members know a different Ukraine than I or perhaps there is some exaggeration or boasting going on. I wonder if GT would report on his actual trip and let us know what he finds once he lands on the ground. $500 a month sponsorship for a decent looking, English speaking girl would be a good deal anywhere in the world and I wish those enjoying such an arrangement all the best.Yes it is possible to find for 500$ and a good looking one. Sure there is not possible to have normal conversations with such ones. And I am talking about sponsorship girls and not a girlfiend level ones.
"What car you drive honey"
"I guess all people in your country have cars". And so on.
God save me.
Gentleman Travel
03-26-14, 19:22
Don't worry CB, I would not pay her in a lump sum. I agree, it invites laziness. I see doing it weekly or maybe per meeting. But it can be a mistake to tie the $$ too closely to the service, since that makes it unmistakably P4P, instead of being an "allowance" to my girlfriend, which allows the girl to pretend she is not a prostitute.
Equally I think it is important to negotiate it as an overall package, to put the scale of money in perspective. A hot 20 year-old is not going to fuck & blow me for $50 for one night. But she might do it for 20 nights x $50 = $1000.
So the correct amount to offer for long term sponsorship, is the amount she actually needs to cover all her expenses, for rent, for school, for food, for medical, for clothing, etc, in supplement to whatever income she may have from a regular job, if she has one. I suspect that all of these expenses will likely cost much less than $500 / month in actuality. So it is probably better for you to approach this as a needs-based inquiry, since you are talking about a sponsorship to take care of all her actual needs. Rather than a profit-driven negotiation, where she is seeking to negotiate a p4p price for as high an amount as she can. So before plopping out an extremely high offer of $1000 / month support, simply ask her what her current income is, and what her current rent and other expenses are. Then, when you know what she actually needs, you can propose to take care of her like a girlfriend, in a long term sponsorship relationship.
This is a good point. Am I "taking care" of her (by paying all her expenses)? Or am I negotiating a volume P4P agreement?
In this instance, I think I am negotiating a volume P4P arrangement.
If I was truly supporting her as a girlfriend, then I can't just send her away when I want to fuck other women.
But still, the "what are your expenses" line might be a useful way to start negotiations. Puts the ball in her court and forces her to justify the amount, rather than comparing it to nightly P4P rates.
Personally I am skeptical that I could get a hot girl for as little as $500 per month. But of course there will also be other expenses; meals, shopping, whatever.
I will let everyone know how it turns out.
Nearly four years ago, I was lucky enough to visit River Palace a half-dozen times before it suddenly closed. Actually, I happened to be there the night before it was shut down for good. Anyway, I kept the numbers of the girls I had met there just in case I ever returned to Kyiv, which I did in October. Out of curiosity, I sent an SMS to a few of them when I arrived to see if they would not only respond but remember me. Of the four, no one responded until yesterday, oddly. 5 months after I sent the texts. However, with so much pussy around I completely forgot I sent those messages back in October.
Vika was a very sexy 21 year old university student back in 2010. I actually thought she looked like a brunette version of Cameron Diaz. I met her at R. P. And spent a few wonderful nights with her during the summer of 2010. One weekend when she went away I asked if she had a friend who could 'fill the gap' in her absence. She said she had a roommate who would meet with me. Her name was Olga and she was an absolute knock-out. Unlike a lot of Ukrainian women who are lean, Olga, who was 20 then, had a figure like Marilyn Monroe and a natural blonde. Her tits were immaculate. Olga told me then she never went to River Palace but would sometimes meet with men Vika liked and trusted.
Anyway, Vika is now married with a child but told me Olga would like to meet with me sometime soon. Olga sent me a SMS moments ago asking if I remembered her (how could I not?) and if I would like to meet her for a drink sometime. Definitely going to try to fit her in this weekend.
Anyone else stay in contact with girls they met at River Palace?CB,
Jogged my memory with your post.
Kept the numbers of some RP girls & few hot girls from the past.
If Vicka's last 3 digits of her number end with 455, then she is one of the first girls I met when I landed in Kiev back in 2009. From your description she does sound as the Vicka I met.
I think I even met a Olga who did look similar to what you've described her above, but not through Vicka or at River Palace. I think I stored her number on another phone, will need to look it up.
I can tell you now, few students used to advertise at the time (Kiev Post) , Acquaintance / Introduction / Relaxation section. They told me they felt safer this way in meeting the right guys.
UkeBoy posted at the time in reply to my post, that I should hang on to that copy of Kiev Post as a Pakistani Business man have just bought The Paper and the first thing he was going to do is stop the personal ads section.
LOL. He only wanted Hallal Meat advertised.
Enjoyed reading your posts and sounds as if you are having much nicer time than the time you spent in Minsk.
Keep it up.
How can 500$ cover girls expences on cloth and living when even pair of normal womens shose cost 500$.
Class cost even in Ukraine.Dear Tomux 22,
I am proceeding from the well know and often discussed fact on this forum that the average wage of most people in Kiev in the usual professions are in the range of $300 to $400 per month. Families are typically two wage earner families. So the two incomes helps the family make ends meet each month. Also we are aware of the cost of renting an apartment in Kiev. Downtown the cost is higher, but in outlying districts in Kiev, an apartment can be rented for around $300 a month. So double income families earning $600 to $800 a month, can afford to rent an apartment in an outlying district for $300 to $400 per month, and then they must pay for their food, transportation, clothing, medical costs, etc, out of the rest of their monthly income. I suspect that such people are not going on spending sprees for luxury items very often.
Then there are the people from the wealthy upper class, which includes government types, and big "business", the oligarch class, who have much larger amounts of disposable income, to spend on themselves, and on girls who are lucky enough to be chosen. These are the types of locals who one might see throwing money around at girls in places like Rio strip club, or at p4p girls in D'lux nightclub. They have as much and more cash at their disposal as many Western men.
Is it that you believe that every woman walking around Kiev is wearing $500 shoes? Surely you realize that life is a struggle for most people in Kiev, who earn very little by Western standards. Or is it that you think that they don't sell shoes of more moderate cost in Kiev? I don't understand the question. The studentkas who come from poor homes which do not have sufficient money to send their daughters to university and support them there, are quite numerous. These are girls who are worried more about rent and food, rather than getting $500 shoes. Of course, if a guy buys them a pair, they will be overjoyed. But it is not typically part of the normal sponsorship arrangement, unless the girl is a top model prima dona p4p professional. A normal studentka is looking for help with her actual expenses for the things she absolutely needs, rather than things that she would like to have.
So the bottom line is, my thinking about what amount per month is appropriate for sponsorship support for the basic needs of a studentka girl, is based on what I know the actual income of most people in Kiev is, and their spending capacity. If most double income earning families are subsisting on $600 to $800 per month, does it make sense that a single student girl should have $1000 per month? With that kind of money, she would be considered from the wealthiest segment of Kiev's population. It is too high an amount for a studentka. So I feel that it doesn't make sense, in comparison to average incomes of the rest of society, that less than $500 / month should not be adequate for her actual needs. But my thinking is entirely theoretical. What is necessary is to find out the actual costs for the actual needs of the studentkas. This can only be found out by asking and investigating this matter to find out the actual facts.
You have a question, that there are $500 shoes? Or that there are designer stores all over downtown Kiev, so who is shopping in them? My friend, I have the same question when I pass the designer shops in many shopping malls in the USA and see they are always empty, and I wonder how they stay in business if no one shops there? So it remains a question. But do not let it trouble you. Apparently there are some buyers. But it is not necessary to offer such luxuries as part of normal sponsorship.
So one should ask what the girl's expenses actually are. Then one can know what is involved for sponsoring that girl, with actual knowledge.
Don't worry CB, I would not pay her in a lump sum. I agree, it invites laziness. I see doing it weekly or maybe per meeting. But it can be a mistake to tie the $$ too closely to the service, since that makes it unmistakably P4P, instead of being an "allowance" to my girlfriend, which allows the girl to pretend she is not a prostitute.
Equally I think it is important to negotiate it as an overall package, to put the scale of money in perspective. A hot 20 year-old is not going to fuck & blow me for $50 for one night. But she might do it for 20 nights x $50 = $1000.
This is a good point. Am I "taking care" of her (by paying all her expenses)? Or am I negotiating a volume P4P agreement?
In this instance, I think I am negotiating a volume P4P arrangement.
If I was truly supporting her as a girlfriend, then I can't just send her away when I want to fuck other women.
But still, the "what are your expenses" line might be a useful way to start negotiations. Puts the ball in her court and forces her to justify the amount, rather than comparing it to nightly P4P rates.
Personally I am skeptical that I could get a hot girl for as little as $500 per month. But of course there will also be other expenses; meals, shopping, whatever.
I will let everyone know how it turns out.Dear GT,
Even though you know that you are "negotiating a volume P4P arrangement", my point to you was that it is not to your advantage to divulge that fact to the girl while trying to negotiate the amount of the support. I think you want to be negotiating a needs based support amount for sponsorship. If you start trying to negotiate a bulk p4p arrangement, you will end up paying a lot more. That was my point. The choice of how to negotiate is yours.
But you raise a practical point when you write,"If I was truly supporting her as a girlfriend, then I can't just send her away when I want to fuck other women." Well, obviously you cannot tell her that you would like to fuck other women, so would she please leave. But since she has her own apartment where she lives, and which you are paying the rent for, in whole or in part, she does not have to be invited over to the place where you are staying every single day and moment. You are entitled to attend to your business, and obligations, and you can be busy on this or that day. It is a bit of a juggling act that, no doubt, a man like you can pull off.
BrasilSoccer0
03-28-14, 05:48
CB,
Olga sounds like my type. Can you post photos or a link?
Nearly four years ago, I was lucky enough to visit River Palace a half-dozen times before it suddenly closed. Actually, I happened to be there the night before it was shut down for good. Anyway, I kept the numbers of the girls I had met there just in case I ever returned to Kyiv, which I did in October. Out of curiosity, I sent an SMS to a few of them when I arrived to see if they would not only respond but remember me. Of the four, no one responded until yesterday, oddly. 5 months after I sent the texts. However, with so much pussy around I completely forgot I sent those messages back in October.
Vika was a very sexy 21 year old university student back in 2010. I actually thought she looked like a brunette version of Cameron Diaz. I met her at R. P. And spent a few wonderful nights with her during the summer of 2010. One weekend when she went away I asked if she had a friend who could 'fill the gap' in her absence. She said she had a roommate who would meet with me. Her name was Olga and she was an absolute knock-out. Unlike a lot of Ukrainian women who are lean, Olga, who was 20 then, had a figure like Marilyn Monroe and a natural blonde. Her tits were immaculate. Olga told me then she never went to River Palace but would sometimes meet with men Vika liked and trusted.
Anyway, Vika is now married with a child but told me Olga would like to meet with me sometime soon. Olga sent me a SMS moments ago asking if I remembered her (how could I not?) and if I would like to meet her for a drink sometime. Definitely going to try to fit her in this weekend.
Anyone else stay in contact with girls they met at River Palace?
Dear Tomux 22,
I am proceeding from the well know and often discussed fact on this forum that the average wage of most people in Kiev in the usual professions are in the range of $300 to $400 per month.Wiki quotes $625 average per month (at the old 8-to-1 FX rate). But note that there is a thriving black market economy, and most workers supplement their income (either via various part time efforts, or through corruption/etc). So I'd reckon the average total wage to be closer to $8-900 a month in Kiev.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_oblasts_and_territories_by_salary
If one's tastes run in the 5-7 range, then I would agree $1000 per month will get a lot of interest. But I wouldn't think you'll find an 8+ who will be on beck on call for $1000 month, unless you've already established a common interest in each other (I. E. She's into you)
Kiev Freak
03-29-14, 13:47
Hey, what is the situation in Kiev? Some girls say Russian army coming to Kiev. This is true? It is ok to go Kiev nowadays?
Wiki quotes $625 average per month (at the old 8-to-1 FX rate). But note that there is a thriving black market economy, and most workers supplement their income (either via various part time efforts, or through corruption / etc). So I'd reckon the average total wage to be closer to $8-900 a month in Kiev.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_oblasts_and_territories_by_salary
If one's tastes run in the 5-7 range, then I would agree $1000 per month will get a lot of interest. But I wouldn't think you'll find an 8+ who will be on beck on call for $1000 month, unless you've already established a common interest in each other (I. E. She's into you) Dear Fijiman,
Thank you for bringing the Wikipedia source to my attention. However, this resource does not necessarily support what you state in concluding from it that people in most jobs are earning $625 per month.
What you apparently did is simply go to the "average wage" column for Kiev city, and note that average monthly wages in 2013 were in excess of 5000 UAH per month. Then you took the 5000 UAH number and divided it by 8 (the exchange rate was $1 = 8 UAH for a number of years prior to the present crisis period) , and you arrived at the figure of $625 per month.
Did you note, in the chart you referenced, that the figure for the average wage in Kiev city was remarkably different than the average wage reported for every other oblast and district? Most other districts had an average wage reported in figures clustering around figures in the range of between 2700 UAH ($337. 50 USD) to 3200 UAH ($400 USD) per month.
What do you suppose causes the figures in the average monthly wage to deviate so remarkably in Kiev city versus every other district, including Kiev oblast itself?
This simply illustrates that you cannot use an "average" to say anything specific about a specific real individual, whether it be average salaries, or average lifespan or whatever. The individual in question's actual experience can be totally different than the average. The real story about the individual can be masked by the statistical analysis of the concept of the "average" amount of anything. Let me give you a simple example. Let's say that we are considering the lifespan within a group of people, and this group has only a few people in it. One lived until the age of 100 years old. The other three died at the age of 50. Averaging these numbers, we arrive at the conclusion that the "average" lifespan of this group is (100 + 50 + 50 + 50 = 250, divided by 4 =) 62. 5 years. Does this conclusion that the average lifespan of this group is 62. 5 years, contain any correct information relevant to the lifespan expectation of most of the individuals in this group? Based upon this data, would you think it reasonable to tell a similarly situated small group that based on the data, they can each expect to live 60 years? Of course not! That's not what the concept of an "average" means. But this is not the time or place to go into a discussion of the "law of large numbers", or standard deviation from the mean, and other statistical concepts. But please note that if we left out the exceptional person who lived to age 100, then the average for the others would be much more accurate.
For our purposes here, we can easily notice that any "average" can easily be thrown off the true story by including data that significantly deviates from the norm and by giving that unusual or exceptional data, equal weight in the average. And so it is necessary to know what kind of data was included in producing the figure for the "average" wage in Kiev city, to cause it to be so dramatically different than the rest of all Ukraine's districts, including Kiev oblast. I suspect that the extremely high incomes of not a few oligarchs and high income government people were included in the data, which would have the effect of throwing off the "average", and raising the number. The resulting average number would therefore not bear any real relation to the average salaries of most professions, any more than the average lifespan calculation, when the exceptional lifespan of the person who lived to age 100 was included.
The information that people in most professions in Kiev earn wages of about $300 to $400 per month is anecdotal and based upon conversations and responses from various Kiev residents I have spoken to. It is actual data about what is earned by teachers, doctors, policemen, bank clerks etc, etc, people from many various types of regular jobs. These salaries are entirely consistent with the average wages reported in the resource you cited for every oblast district in Ukraine.
The sole exception is the average wage reported in the resource you cited for Kiev city, which may reflect the inclusion in the average, of high income people in government or big business, and which is therefore not accurate to the actual experience of people with regular professions and jobs.
That being said, I am relatively sure that if one asks most studentkas, even very attractive sexy ones, what budget they are living on, and what are their actual expenses, one will find that the amount is less than $500 / month.
The kind of girls who might hold out for numbers like a luxury income of $800 / month or $1000 / month are not normal studentkas, but rather professional prostitute girls, heavily engaged in the p4p profession, who have learned the value of their pussy to Western men, and know they can turn a "trick" for $300 in one night, or a couple of hours, occasionally if they are lucky. But this is not they type of girl that I would consider girlfriend material. Negotiating with a prostitute girl who is used to getting money for sex on an hourly basis, will be much more difficult, because she will be calculating in her head how much she should earn per hour, for all the hours of fucking you might want to have with her in a month. The whole thing begins and proceeds from the wrong point. And you will lose out.
I don't think you want to sponsor a prostitute girl. Because she sees her pussy like a taxi meter, generating cash per hour. Rather you should look for a student girl who would not be a prostitute, and she is a girl who is simply looking for a rich boyfriend, a benevolent sponsor who would help her with her monthly expenses, so she can achieve her goals, and get an education, and get ahead in life.
Member #4274
03-29-14, 14:38
Hey, what is the situation in Kiev? Some girls say Russian army coming to Kiev. This is true? It is ok to go Kiev nowadays?You don't ask for much, do you, Kiev Freak? Well, what you're asking has been covered ad nausea by other posters already. No one knows (I am not sure even Putin knows) whether there will be an invasion or not. A Swedish expert on Eastern European affairs thinks there's a 40 percent chance of an invasion. Today it was reported that Moscow has no intention of sending troops into Ukraine, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said. I am not an expert but, living here in Kyiv, I give it a coin flip. I personally believe there will be one.
As for Kyiv itself, its business as usual. The weather has been terrific and as I am writing this there are a plethora of attractive women swarming the sidewalks below my flat. They are everywhere and on many of their faces is the tension from the possibility of war with Russia. Such is life in Kyiv right now.
Well, if the airport proves impossible then I will hop on a train and head to Lviv. From there I can simply cross to Krakow and onto to Canada, if I chose. I think Western Ukraine will be very safe. I even know people in Rivne, if necessary. However, I have friends in Budapest, Vienna, Berlin and Talllinn, as well. I might just kick it in Europe for the summer months. Lets hope it doesn't come to that.CB, why do you feel the necessity to leave if the Russians arrive?
Or is there some particular personal reason?
Not 100% if this is the same 'Angela' but totally agree. Was almost perfect and a real star of RP back in the day. Really petite with big, but excellent boob job. killer ass and very pretty? Had the pleasure several times LOL and still have her number somewhere so might give it a try. (Last in contact early 2012) You never know!
I wish I had.
There was one really hot girl there called Angela. Not sure if you had ever met her CB but I'm sure you will know if you did because she was an absolute stunner. She was the only girl that I ever repeated with from my half a dozen or so visits to RP from Oct 2007 to May 2009. She would never permit me to take photos of her so I was pleasantly surprised when I saw pictures of her from Roundabout's posting in the photo section (link attached of original post) and samples below. She is the one on the left with the tanned body and amazing derriere.
I'll be interested to know if anyone knows of her current status and whereabouts.
On another note, does anyone know what caused the demise of River Palace back in 2010? Was it due to politics I. E. A crackdown from the then incoming Yanukovych government or some other financial corruption / tax evasion charges?
Also I had read recently some rumours about a possible resurrection of River Palace. Does anybody know if there is any truth in that?
Howie
Dear Fijiman,
Thank you for bringing the Wikipedia source to my attention. However, this resource does not necessarily support what you state in concluding from it that people in most jobs are earning $625 per month.
What you apparently did is simply go to the "average wage" column for Kiev city, and note that average monthly wages in 2013 were in excess of 5000 UAH per month. Then you took the 5000 UAH number and divided it by 8 (the exchange rate was $1 = 8 UAH for a number of years prior to the present crisis period) , and you arrived at the figure of $625 per month.
Did you note, in the chart you referenced, that the figure for the average wage in Kiev city was remarkably different than the average wage reported for every other oblast and district? Most other districts had an average wage reported in figures clustering around figures in the range of between 2700 UAH ($337. 50 USD) to 3200 UAH ($400 USD) per month.
What do you suppose causes the figures in the average monthly wage to deviate so remarkably in Kiev city versus every other district, including Kiev oblast itself?
This simply illustrates that you cannot use an "average" to say anything specific about a specific real individual, whether it be average salaries, or average lifespan or whatever. The individual in question's actual experience can be totally different than the average. The real story about the individual can be masked by the statistical analysis of the concept of the "average" amount of anything. Let me give you a simple example. Let's say that we are considering the lifespan within a group of people, and this group has only a few people in it. One lived until the age of 100 years old. The other three died at the age of 50. Averaging these numbers, we arrive at the conclusion that the "average" lifespan of this group is (100 + 50 + 50 + 50 = 250, divided by 4 =) 62. 5 years. Does this conclusion that the average lifespan of this group is 62. 5 years, contain any correct information relevant to the lifespan expectation of most of the individuals in this group? Based upon this data, would you think it reasonable to tell a similarly situated small group that based on the data, they can each expect to live 60 years? Of course not! That's not what the concept of an "average" means. But this is not the time or place to go into a discussion of the "law of large numbers", or standard deviation from the mean, and other statistical concepts. But please note that if we left out the exceptional person who lived to age 100, then the average for the others would be much more accurate.
For our purposes here, we can easily notice that any "average" can easily be thrown off the true story by including data that significantly deviates from the norm and by giving that unusual or exceptional data, equal weight in the average. And so it is necessary to know what kind of data was included in producing the figure for the "average" wage in Kiev city, to cause it to be so dramatically different than the rest of all Ukraine's districts, including Kiev oblast. I suspect that the extremely high incomes of not a few oligarchs and high income government people were included in the data, which would have the effect of throwing off the "average", and raising the number. The resulting average number would therefore not bear any real relation to the average salaries of most professions, any more than the average lifespan calculation, when the exceptional lifespan of the person who lived to age 100 was included.
The information that people in most professions in Kiev earn wages of about $300 to $400 per month is anecdotal and based upon conversations and responses from various Kiev residents I have spoken to. It is actual data about what is earned by teachers, doctors, policemen, bank clerks etc, etc, people from many various types of regular jobs. These salaries are entirely consistent with the average wages reported in the resource you cited for every oblast district in Ukraine.
The sole exception is the average wage reported in the resource you cited for Kiev city, which may reflect the inclusion in the average, of high income people in government or big business, and which is therefore not accurate to the actual experience of people with regular professions and jobs.
That being said, I am relatively sure that if one asks most studentkas, even very attractive sexy ones, what budget they are living on, and what are their actual expenses, one will find that the amount is less than $500 / month.
The kind of girls who might hold out for numbers like a luxury income of $800 / month or $1000 / month are not normal studentkas, but rather professional prostitute girls, heavily engaged in the p4p profession, who have learned the value of their pussy to Western men, and know they can turn a "trick" for $300 in one night, or a couple of hours, occasionally if they are lucky. But this is not they type of girl that I would consider girlfriend material. Negotiating with a prostitute girl who is used to getting money for sex on an hourly basis, will be much more difficult, because she will be calculating in her head how much she should earn per hour, for all the hours of fucking you might want to have with her in a month. The whole thing begins and proceeds from the wrong point. And you will lose out.
I don't think you want to sponsor a prostitute girl. Because she sees her pussy like a taxi meter, generating cash per hour. Rather you should look for a student girl who would not be a prostitute, and she is a girl who is simply looking for a rich boyfriend, a benevolent sponsor who would help her with her monthly expenses, so she can achieve her goals, and get an education, and get ahead in life.I'm an actuary with 20 years experience. Thank you for explaining to me the concept of "average". .
The cost of living is higher in major cities, such as Kiev, and accordingly salaries are higher than in rural areas and towns.
ps. I did not state that I was "concluding from it that people in most jobs are earning $625 per month". That would be the "mode", which typically differs from the average, unless it is a normal distribution.
Not 100% if this is the same 'Angela' but totally agree. Was almost perfect and a real star of RP back in the day. Really petite with big, but excellent boob job. killer ass and very pretty? Had the pleasure several times LOL and still have her number somewhere so might give it a try. (Last in contact early 2012) You never know!Hey Fox7717 that sounds like her.
Yeah, give her a call or text her for a status update. I may be heading out to Kiev in the summer so it would be nice if she is still active.
Howie
Poker Player 2
03-31-14, 07:49
Sir,
I wish we all made as much sense as your writing here does. Thank you for your refreshing economy of words too.
I'm an actuary with 20 years experience. Thank you for explaining to me the concept of "average". .
The cost of living is higher in major cities, such as Kiev, and accordingly salaries are higher than in rural areas and towns.
Ps. I did not state that I was "concluding from it that people in most jobs are earning $625 per month". That would be the "mode", which typically differs from the average, unless it is a normal distribution.
I'm an actuary with 20 years experience. Thank you for explaining to me the concept of "average". .
The cost of living is higher in major cities, such as Kiev, and accordingly salaries are higher than in rural areas and towns.
Ps. I did not state that I was "concluding from it that people in most jobs are earning $625 per month". That would be the "mode", which typically differs from the average, unless it is a normal distribution.Dear Fijiman,
Please understand that I write my comments with a view to making them useful and understandable to all readers of this thread, who might not have the expertise you claim to have in the field of actuarial science. So the mere presentation of explanations of how the higher incomes of oligarch and government officials could throw off the significance of data pertaining to Kiev city in calculating the average monthly wage, should not be taken personally.
Looking at the Wikipedia resource you provided a link to, I noted that Kiev city is the only location that has a monthly average wages reported as $625, whereas all other districts and oblasts in Ukraine have average monthly wages reported as being in the $300 to $400 range, including Kiev oblast itself. The issue that needs explanation is. Why does the average monthly wage in Kiev city deviate so significantly from all other locations and oblast districts in the entire rest of Ukraine? I suggested that maybe the reason is because the very high incomes of some government officials or of business oligarchs were included in the average for the monthly wage in Kiev city, which had the effect of raising the amount of the average there.
However, you now suggest that the explanation for why Kiev city average monthly wage is so much higher than all other places and oblast districts in Ukraine is that Kiev is a major city, and in major cities the costs of living are higher, and therefore the salaries are higher.
This last explanation you suggest is problematic in my view, because it fails to explain the data in the Wikipedia resource you provided the link for, indicating that all other major cities in Ukraine do not share this characteristic with Kiev city. Instead, all other major cities in Ukraine appear to also mostly have average monthly wages in the $300 to $400 range, like the rest of the country and its rural areas, and only Kiev city departs from this pattern and has a much higher average monthly wage than all other major cities and rural locations in Ukraine. Therefore, it seems a different force or cause for Kiev city's higher average monthly wage must be at play.
Foreigners need to pass cash threshold to enter Ukraine.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/foreigners-need-to-pass-cash-threshold-to-enter-ukraine-341462.html
This means probably now every time you visit the idiot at the airport ask you how much cash you have, and wants to count it, and then ask you why you bring this much cash, how long do you plan to stay, wants to see your return ticket, what do you want to do here, why did you travel to ukraine. When was the last time you traveled to ukraine, how many time have you been here, do you have family here blah blah blah.
CastOnThis
03-31-14, 15:45
Foreigners need to pass cash threshold to enter Ukraine.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/foreigners-need-to-pass-cash-threshold-to-enter-ukraine-341462.html
This means probably now every time you visit the idiot at the airport ask you how much cash you have, and wants to count it, and then ask you why you bring this much cash, how long do you plan to stay, wants to see your return ticket, what do you want to do here, why did you travel to ukraine. When was the last time you traveled to ukraine, how many time have you been here, do you have family here blah blah blah.Well, there goes my idea of visiting Ukraine again.
Dear Fijiman,
Please understand that I write my comments with a view to making them useful and understandable to all readers of this thread, who might not have the expertise you claim to have in the field of actuarial science. So the mere presentation of explanations of how the higher incomes of oligarch and government officials could throw off the significance of data pertaining to Kiev city in calculating the average monthly wage, should not be taken personally.
Looking at the Wikipedia resource you provided a link to, I noted that Kiev city is the only location that has a monthly average wages reported as $625, whereas all other districts and oblasts in Ukraine have average monthly wages reported as being in the $300 to $400 range, including Kiev oblast itself. The issue that needs explanation is. Why does the average monthly wage in Kiev city deviate so significantly from all other locations and oblast districts in the entire rest of Ukraine? I suggested that maybe the reason is because the very high incomes of some government officials or of business oligarchs were included in the average for the monthly wage in Kiev city, which had the effect of raising the amount of the average there.
However, you now suggest that the explanation for why Kiev city average monthly wage is so much higher than all other places and oblast districts in Ukraine is that Kiev is a major city, and in major cities the costs of living are higher, and therefore the salaries are higher.
This last explanation you suggest is problematic in my view, because it fails to explain the data in the Wikipedia resource you provided the link for, indicating that all other major cities in Ukraine do not share this characteristic with Kiev city. Instead, all other major cities in Ukraine appear to also mostly have average monthly wages in the $300 to $400 range, like the rest of the country and its rural areas, and only Kiev city departs from this pattern and has a much higher average monthly wage than all other major cities and rural locations in Ukraine. Therefore, it seems a different force or cause for Kiev city's higher average monthly wage must be at play.You seem to be having a conversation with yourself.
Average salaries are higher in Kiev than elsewhere in the Ukraine, and I dutifully quoted my source.
Same as for London vs rest of England, Moscow vs rest of Russia, etc, etc.
I'm not sure what's up with these 1000 word essays of yours, but I have neither the time nor inclination to straighten out your hoary logic and statistics.
But don't let that stop you, carry on and follow your bliss.
Regards.
Fj
Member #4274
03-31-14, 23:02
You seem to be having a conversation with yourself.
Average salaries are higher in Kiev than elsewhere in the Ukraine, and I dutifully quoted my source.
Same as for London vs rest of England, Moscow vs rest of Russia, etc, etc.
I'm not sure what's up with these 1000 word essays of yours, but I have neither the time nor inclination to straighten out your hoary logic and statistics.
But don't let that stop you, carry on and follow your bliss.
Regards.
FjFj, you are absolutely correct. Average salaries are definitely, without question, higher in Kyiv than other Ukrainian cities. My source? Ukrainian people. I live in Kyiv have spoken with dozens of Ukrainians about this subject. Kyiv provides more job opportunities and higher salaries. Straight from the horses mouth. How is this even a debate?
Same as for London vs rest of England, Moscow vs rest of Russia, etc, etc.Gee, such a spread can be observed everywhere. Even all over developed places like Germany feature significant differences in large cities between business centers and less fortunate places. For example earnings in Munich are up to twice as high as in Leipzig or Dortmund. Same goes for expenses. So a spread between 400 and 700 USD between Ukrainian cities is even less than one would expect.
BrasilSoccer0
04-01-14, 03:50
CB,
You hit it on the nail. The most updated and accurate source is the people of the country.
BTW, Wikipedia has been accurate on minimum wages list. And they are very close on average salaries list.
A good source of cost of oiving is www.numbeo.com They give you the cost of every day living like loaf of bread, local beer, Levis jeans, milk, meals. Etc. And for some countries, it lists individual cities' cost of living.
The question should probably be which cities / towns have lower / est salaries.
Fj, you are absolutely correct. Average salaries are definitely, without question, higher in Kyiv than other Ukrainian cities. My source? Ukrainian people. I live in Kyiv have spoken with dozens of Ukrainians about this subject. Kyiv provides more job opportunities and higher salaries. Straight from the horses mouth. How is this even a debate?
Foreigners need to pass cash threshold to enter Ukraine.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/foreigners-need-to-pass-cash-threshold-to-enter-ukraine-341462.html
This means probably now every time you visit the idiot at the airport ask you how much cash you have, and wants to count it, and then ask you why you bring this much cash, how long do you plan to stay, wants to see your return ticket, what do you want to do here, why did you travel to ukraine. When was the last time you traveled to ukraine, how many time have you been here, do you have family here blah blah blah.Just returned from Kiev, upon my arrival no questions asked. Just an empty look. Mamba was great for me this trip. First day I had a date with 19 yo model. Even the night out with her costed me 3500 grivna it was well worth it after in the bedroom. Tho I took huge risk here, since after our champgne and suchi she could easy just simply desapere. So this, could have easy turned into desaster.
Second day met another girl from mamba. Agreement was 2000 grivna + dinner for the evening and whole night. She was not a model in looks I would say 7, but had a great personality. We dropped dinner, whent straight into my appartment. This was a great night, morning and day full of drinking and fucking. She stayed untill 5 pm next day and would have stayed longer if not me telling her she should maybe go home since I have a dinner plan with my buddy.
Payed Rio a visit too and was not impressed. Did not see one girl above 7. And sure not the one I could consider paying 3000 grivna for 3 hours too. But who knows, I might be very spoiled.
You seem to be having a conversation with yourself.
Average salaries are higher in Kiev than elsewhere in the Ukraine, and I dutifully quoted my source.
Same as for London vs rest of England, Moscow vs rest of Russia, etc, etc.
I'm not sure what's up with these 1000 word essays of yours, but I have neither the time nor inclination to straighten out your hoary logic and statistics.
But don't let that stop you, carry on and follow your bliss.
Regards.
FjIt seems no amount of explanation and good sense can penetrate your cloud. And guys like CB who second you on a point that was never in debate, have missed the point.
It is not in question that the average of all salaries and wages in Kiev city is higher than the rest of Ukraine's cities and oblasts / districts. I have never written otherwise. If you wish to pretend that I am disputing that fact, and posture yourself as if you are correct on this point versus what I have written, you may mislead fellows like CB and others, who haven't read carefully. But it does little to further the advice needed to be given about how much money is reasonable to offer a studenka for a sponsorship support arrangement. So you continue to becloud this issue with your mistaken input.
What I have tried to explain previously is a simple point, which you or anyone else should be able to understand. Given that the average monthly wages are reported in reputable sources to be significantly higher in Kiev, than in all other oblasts / districts and cities in Ukraine, a factual finding nobody here is disputing, the real question is why is that so? And depending on the reasons behind the higher "average" monthly income being higher in Kiev than all other places in Ukraine, how does it affect what is an appropriate level of support to offer a studentka? Obviously to me, the amount appropriate to offer a studentka needs to be based on expectations she might have, that are realistic to the sector of the economy that university students exist in, and typical monthly wages in that specific sector.
In answer to the question of why Kiev city's average monthly wages are higher than all other locations in Ukraine, I suggested that the reason is because included in Kiev city's average, were the wages of very highly paid types of people found in government office, big businesses and companies, high tech jobs, etc, which are found uniquely in Kiev, raising the overall average for the city. The important point here is not to lose sight of the fact that for many types of jobs the actual monthly incomes are much lower, and are consistent with the lower average monthly wages found in the rest of Ukraine. The types of work available generally to university students are in this much lower paid sector of the economy, as typically students are not employed in high paying jobs in government office, in management positions in large companies or in high tech jobs.
What exists in Kiev is an "upper class" with lots of money, and a large lower class with very small salaries, and a not very robust middle class. The divide between the "have's" and the "have not's" in Kiev city is a big problem in the economy, but it is a fact that it exists.
Of course, if you insist on obscuring these "facts on the ground" and continuing to claim that the "average" of the high incomes of some jobs and positions, together with the low wages of many types of jobs, produces an average income number that is useful for knowing what studentkas typically can earn, you will simply compound your error. It makes as much sense as taking the average lifespan of a small group comprised of a man who lived to age 100, and a child who lived only to age 2, and saying the average lifespan of the group was 51 years, a fact relevant to the actual experience of no member of the group.
A more relevant type of statistic would be what is the average monthly wages in the specific sector of the economy or job market in which unskilled labor and university students find employment. Because of the disparity in levels of income between the upper and lower class of jobs, it is necessary to be more specific, and to focus the inquiry on the specific sector of the job market where studentkas operate, in order to get a clearer picture of their economic opportunities. An "average" of all of Kiev's wages produces a number that is not relevant to studentkas.
I don't know how I can make this point more clear to you, or the others who have agreed with you, since you seem more focussed on "winning" a debate, rather than having a useful discussion.
So let's agree to disagree. And you and CB and Poker Player can offer studentkas your recommendation of $600 to $1000 / month support sponsorship, based on your average Kiev income in Wikipedia.
As for me, when the opportunity for sponsorship arises, I will do as I recommended, and I will first ask the girl what her rent is, and what the rest of her expenses are, as well as what her income has been, and I will offer an amount for sponsorship that makes sense based upon her actual needs and typical job expectations, and will try to remain in the support zone below $500 USD per month. I will not try to negotiate sponsorship with a prostitute girl, who is calculating in her head how to multiply her hourly p4p rate by the number of hours of fucking to be expected in a month, so she can charge me a bulk p4p rate for the month, as that is sure to be far more expensive. I will only consider sponsorship with normal student girls who do not work as prostitutes and are not heavily into p4p. And that's the advice I would give others on this forum to follow.
Just returned from KievHave you been in clubs, were they busy, and is the lack of sex-hungry foreigners obvious?
Payed Rio a visit too and was not impressed. Did not see one girl above 7. And sure not the one I could consider paying 3000 grivna for 3 hours too. But who knows, I might be very spoiled.don't waste your time and money at RIO.
if you want BBJ ask her before you pay her, most girls there don't do BBJ and make sure she understand its for 3 hours
Have you been in clubs, were they busy, and is the lack of sex-hungry foreigners obvious?Was no dought for me there is lack of sex tourists atm in Kiev. Only visited Decadence House for 30 min with my date before we whent home. So can't tell you much about club sceen.
Was by far one of the best trips I had to Kiev. Lots of girls to choose from, low grivna rate and not too much tourists too see.
don't waste your time and money at RIO.
If you want BBJ ask her before you pay her, most girls there don't do BBJ and make sure she understand its for 3 hoursYes Rio is a waste of time. And very few girls there have good communication skills. Day after, when I get sober I can't answer my self why would I ever go there. I do enjoy taking some drinks and whach girls dancing. But it must be better strip clubs in town if one wants to just sit drink and enjoy girls dancing for some hours.
Reiner Otto
04-02-14, 06:11
low grivna rateFor appartment and "Service", or not?
Or are you only referring to food prices etc. ?
For appartment and "Service", or not?
Or are you only referring to food prices etc. ?Offering grivnas to girls without adjusting its rate to dollar worked perfectly fine for me.
Main point, prices have not raised since grivna whent downhill. At least freelancers marked have not adjusted to it good enough yet. Who knows how long time it will last.
But sure there is enough girls trying too keep prices in dollars. But also enough too choose from who dont.
Guys,
I just want to share that a friend of mine was punched in the face today in Kiev. He was sitting on a K street bench and a bum asked him for money. After my buddy said no, this homeless piece of drunken stared at him for a moment and then hit him before walking away. I asked my friend if it could have been avoided and he said yes. When the street bum approached him on the bench, he should have walked away immediately rather than sit there like a sitting duck. Lesson learned. For the record, it was a true homeless person and not a politically motivated thug.
Hi guys,
I just returned from a short stay in Kiev. It is an incredible time to be there after what's been happening recently. After visiting the city, I decided to spend Sunday night at Arena (http://www.arena-kiev.com/). It was empty, but the English speaking hostess was friendly enough and agreed to show me the different bar, restaurants, and clubs. She explained that the club across the square was new and worth a visit. So we walked over there together. There was a bar and a dance floor. There was one nice looking woman sitting at the bar. I decided to stay and order a drink for 90 UAH (6 euros). I soon started chatting with the bartender and then the woman at the bar. She was very friendly and spoke enough English for us to have a few laughs. I decided to offer her a drink. The bartender bought a different drink menu than on one I used. She indicated the glass of white wine that the woman ordered. I followed her finger on the menu to the column on the right. It indicated 150. She asked if I agreed and I said sure. She then poured the wine like it was liquid gold. The bartender had asked me to pay for my drink as soon as I ordered, but not the woman's drink. I became supicious and immediately asked for the bill. The amount was 528 UAH (35 euros). I asked why not 150 UAH. She said that 150 was the amount of milliliters! What a scam. I immediately paid and left the bar, never to return. On the way out, I went back to speak to the friendly hostess. I explained what happened. She said it was my fault for not reading carefully the menu. What a scam.
Later than night, I went to Dolly Salon (http://www.salondolly.com/). For less then what I spent at Arena, I had an incredible 1 hour erotic massage. The woman, pretty, dressed in sexy lingerie, did a great job with the massage. The second part of the massage was incredibly erotic. She was totally naked and oiled for that part. Just no touching her pussy. Highly recommended.
Guys,
I just want to share that a friend of mine was punched in the face today in Kiev. He was sitting on a K street bench and a bum asked him for money. After my buddy said no, this homeless piece of drunken stared at him for a moment and then hit him before walking away. I asked my friend if it could have been avoided and he said yes. When the street bum approached him on the bench, he should have walked away immediately rather than sit there like a sitting duck. Lesson learned. For the record, it was a true homeless person and not a politically motivated thug.
I have been to UA many times never had a problem I hope my luck doesn't run out, one time a man on Kreschatic approached me for money, he could speak Emglish, I just said NO and kept walking, in the same trip I traveled to Odessa for a week and the same man was in Odessa city center and asked me again for money, I couldn't believe it, I guess thats his job traveling to city centers asking foreigners for money.
When I am on the streets I assume everyone is a suspect, I stay away from the police, I am not friendly if a local approaches me I just do my thing and keep walking.
Always have my passport with me, and keep the phone number for the embassy on my cell phone
BTW-Is there a supermarket right next to McDonalds on Metro Krechatic?
I know there is one next to the Kyivstar phone shop near independence squre, its underground in a clothing store but I read 2-3 weeks ago the facists took over the clothing store and the kyivstar shop
I have been to UA maybe 10 times never had a problem I hope my luck doesn't run out, one time a man on Kreschatic approached me for money, he could speak Emglish, I just said NO and kept walking, in the same trip I traveled to Odessa for a week and the same man was in Odessa city center and ask me again for money, I couldn't believe it, I guess thats his job traveling to city centers asking foreigners for money.
When I am on the streets I assume everyone is a suspect, I stay away from the police, I am not friendly if a local approaches me I just do my thing and keep walking if I am not interested.
BTW-Is there a supermarket right next to McDonalds on Metro Krechatic?
I know there is one next to the Kyivstar phone shop near independence squre, its underground in a clothing store but I read 2-3 weeks ago the facists took over the clothing store and the kyivstar shopI never had a problem in Kiev after numerous trips. Normal street smarts would dictate that you have to keep moving when approached by the homeless. For me, the worse was the girl bums that would follow you. Learned quickly to duck into a store in that situation.
Sorry I don't know about the supermarkets. I left Kiev back in December. I liked shopping in the Billy stores. One by the Rynok and one under Maiden next to Vodka Bar.
Poker Player 2
04-03-14, 16:25
Thank you for your comments. He likes essays. He has always liked essays. He will probably continue liking and writing essays as he seems to have all the time in the world to dedicate to the task. The good news is that after a while your eyes get trained on which posts to read and which to ignore.
Happy hunting all.
You seem to be having a conversation with yourself.
Average salaries are higher in Kiev than elsewhere in the Ukraine, and I dutifully quoted my source.
Same as for London vs rest of England, Moscow vs rest of Russia, etc, etc.
I'm not sure what's up with these 1000 word essays of yours, but I have neither the time nor inclination to straighten out your hoary logic and statistics.
But don't let that stop you, carry on and follow your bliss.
Regards.
Fj
Member #4274
04-04-14, 00:51
Guys,
I just want to share that a friend of mine was punched in the face today in Kiev. He was sitting on a K street bench and a bum asked him for money. After my buddy said no, this homeless piece of drunken stared at him for a moment and then hit him before walking away. I asked my friend if it could have been avoided and he said yes. When the street bum approached him on the bench, he should have walked away immediately rather than sit there like a sitting duck. Lesson learned. For the record, it was a true homeless person and not a politically motivated thug.I am sorry to hear about your friend. I hope he is doing well. However, to those who are considering Kyiv and are uncertain, please do not think this is the norm. In my opinion, its a random act of violence and could happen in any city. I am from Canada and I've heard far worse than this from my country and I certainly don't consider Canada an unsafe country. In my opinion, as someone living in Kyiv now since before the protests at Maidan, I think this is just bad luck. What is more, if a homeless person punched me the story would not end there, that's for sure.
Member #4274
04-04-14, 21:42
Woke up this morning to a beautiful day here in Kyiv. Hoped the metro to the center, exchanged a large amount of American currency into UAH and took a leisurely walk around Kreshchatyk and Globus Mall. Lots of lovely ladies walking around, gentleman.
I sent a SMS to Olga (the River Palace contact I still have) asking if she was up for an afternoon fuck but she told me she wouldn't be done work until 18:00 but could we meet afterwards? I told her I had dinner plans with friends (in truth a feebie I am chasing). While I've been concentrating my time and efforts on chasing the many feebies available to a gainfully employed man living fulltime in Kyiv, Olga is very sexy and someone I thoroughly enjoy fucking.
It was shortly afterwards, while I was wandering around Maidan, that I received a SMS from Yana. Yana is an early twenties woman I met for dinner back in November. At the time I was too busy with work to chase anymore than one or two freebies, so despite our pleasant dinner together and her obvious interest, I decided to pursue someone else. However, we stayed in touch on Facebook and even promised to meet again sometime. Anyway, with the economic and political instability in Ukraine now, the company she works for has cut down on her hours and she was obviously stressed about it. She was telling me that she wasn't sure how she was going to pay rent next month. I grabbed the opportunity and made a playful remark that I was single and would gladly help with her expenses in exchange for her time. At first she waivered and insisted she was not a prostitute. I told her that of course she wasn't but that we are both adults and why not have some fun together? She said she thought I was handsome, hadn't had sex for nearly 8 months and would certainly think it over.
As I was having dinner with Tanya, the freebie I am chasing, I got a message from Yana saying she would come over to my flat later to talk. Soon afterwards, I gave Tanya a long kiss goodnight and hoped the metro back to my flat. The fact that Yana was not the kind of woman who would normally give sex for money really turned me on. So much so that I did not respond to Olga when she asked again if I wanted to meet tonight.
Yana showed up looking good and after a few drinks I started to kiss her hand and lips. Well, she just left 45 minutes ago after two hours of terrific fucking. The best part was watching those large, perky tits bounce up and down as she rode me. Yana is a warm woman with a playful attitude in bed. I gave her 1000 UAH (91 USD) for her time and told her we could meet again soon, if she wanted. She agreed but made me promise I would not tell anyone about our arrangement.
Jelly Donut
04-04-14, 22:29
CB. Thanks for your response to my question earlier and, of course, your ongoing posts are very helpful.
I've heard far worse than this from my countryThat post did remind me not to treat homeless people as invisible. However, it's true, walking down St. Catherine Street in Montreal you will encounter far more sketchy, bold and stoned characters than on the main streets of Kiev. And, in frank one-upmanship, in my country we think of Canada as a disturbingly safe and pleasant place.
What happen to the Irish guy that use to post here?
Did he run back to the Emerald Isle?On my annual 3 month vacation in Thailand as Kiev is too fucking cold in winter.
BrasilSoccer0
04-05-14, 12:07
CB,
I'm assuming Yana is a semi-pro. Yes?
Where do you meet semi-pros other than from mamba. Ru? And is the 1000 UAH the fair price fr semi's for the whole night?
.Yana showed up looking good and after a few drinks I started to kiss her hand and lips. Well, she just left 45 minutes ago after two hours of terrific fucking. The best part was watching those large, perky tits bounce up and down as she rode me. Yana is a warm woman with a playful attitude in bed. I gave her 1000 UAH (91 USD) for her time and told her we could meet again soon, if she wanted. She agreed but made me promise I would not tell anyone about our arrangement.
Member #4274
04-05-14, 12:55
CB,
I'm assuming Yana is a semi-pro. Yes?
Where do you meet semi-pros other than from mamba. Ru? And is the 1000 UAH the fair price fr semi's for the whole night?Actually, Yana isn't anything like that. She insisted it was the first time she'd ever done something like this before. Normally I would never have believed her but I've known her for a while and she was so reluctant and shy at first that I am sure she is telling the truth, or at least my experience tells me this. I didn't meet her on Mamba. In truth I meet very few women on Mamba save potential freebies. As I am living and working here, it's much easier for me to meet women via numerous other methods. Sometimes they come to me, such as Nastya the woman in the pink dress I posted about a few weeks back.
As for cost, I never pay more than 1000 UAH and the only women who stay all night with me are women I am dating, not paying to fuck. If she asks for more I file her under 'I'll try again later'. But living here allows me that luxury. Other mongers might have different opinions but that's just how I operate. With the exchange rate. 1000 UAH is terrific value for a few hours of sex with a woman 15 to 20 years younger than I.
For those of you contemplating coming to Ukraine and Kiev now and in the near future, make absolutely sure you bring with you enough cash to ensure that your paid pleasure is secure. You can bring into Ukraine up to $10, 000 without declaring it.
Most if not all banks at their ATMs have recently put a limit of 1000 grivna per day per card. At the current exchange rate, that is now about $84 and may drop further. You can always go to the ATMs at various banks but you will incur higher currency conversion and multiple bank fees further driving down the effective exchange rate.
Credit cards do work normally so restaurant, hotel, bar, club, store, supermarket and other such purchases are not a problem.
The only good news is that you no longer need your passport to make any currency exchange.
I also suggest that you change any monies on the day and in the exact amount you expect to utilize these payments since the exchange rate has been dropping to the betterment of the dollar / Euro. A week ago the rate was about 11 grivna to the dollar, now is is 11. 90. I would also suggest that you make your payments tot he ladies only in grivna and not in dollars or euros thereby substantially reducing your costs.
CB,
I'm assuming Yana is a semi-pro. Yes?
Where do you meet semi-pros other than from mamba. Ru? And is the 1000 UAH the fair price fr semi's for the whole night?Categorizing girls in Kiev as pro, semi-pro and freebies is not reflective on the situation here. The range spans from very innocent and pure girls who would never consider meeting a man for money through possibly 20 levels of sponsorship all the way up to the hard core pros. However, even within those subcategories will be variations, depending on who you are and how they feel at the time.
An Irish friend who visited last year met a girl for $150 for 2 hours who stayed for 4 days as they were having so much fun at no additional cost. She had now covered the rent and was off the clock so to speak. As CB can probably affirm, living here opens up those variations. Mamba works well but as CB also seems to be an open guy, collecting a number from a girl in the mall can lead to success. Of course many give their numbers willingly only to not answer when you send an SMS, but long term that's as good a way as any.
Actually, Yana isn't anything like that. She insisted it was the first time she'd ever done something like this before. Normally I would never have believed her but I've known her for a while and she was so reluctant and shy at first that I am sure she is telling the truth, or at least my experience tells me this. I didn't meet her on Mamba. In truth I meet very few women on Mamba save potential freebies. As I am living and working here, it's much easier for me to meet women via numerous other methods. Sometimes they come to me, such as Nastya the woman in the pink dress I posted about a few weeks back.
As for cost, I never pay more than 1000 UAH and the only women who stay all night with me are women I am dating, not paying to fuck. If she asks for more I file her under 'I'll try again later'. But living here allows me that luxury. Other mongers might have different opinions but that's just how I operate. With the exchange rate. 1000 UAH is terrific value for a few hours of sex with a woman 15 to 20 years younger than I.Hello CanadianBoy.
I am hoping to make a return sometime this year. Was it you that was asking about getting a bottle of JD? PM me, please. Yours is blocked.
Cheers.
FiddyCent
BrasilSoccer0
04-05-14, 19:01
Caanadianboy, I hear what you're saying. I have a similar experience but in Medellin and while there is no direct money exchanged for the intimacy, there usually are other expenses and I'm the one expected to pay. LOL but that is just to keep things interesting.
Irish Lad, I'm so into the innocent girls and those who simply don't expect every foreigner to bring her back to a fancy luxury apartment just because in her mind a foreigner should! That should tell you who I value the most and seek.
But I would imagine and, at least, from my travel experiences that Kiev like other capitals I've been to (Bogota, Havana and Tiraspol) people there and more importantly women are more hardened and expect more, give less and not as friendly as the other towns. How do you relate your experiences to that. I know CB is in a unique situation but I bet you still can see a distinct differences.
Member #4274
04-05-14, 20:03
For those of you contemplating coming to Ukraine and Kiev now and in the near future, make absolutely sure you bring with you enough cash to ensure that your paid pleasure is secure. You can bring into Ukraine up to $10, 000 without declaring it.
Most if not all banks at their ATMs have recently put a limit of 1000 grivna per day per card. At the current exchange rate, that is now about $84 and may drop further. You can always go to the ATMs at various banks but you will incur higher currency conversion and multiple bank fees further driving down the effective exchange rate.
Credit cards do work normally so restaurant, hotel, bar, club, store, supermarket and other such purchases are not a problem.
The only good news is that you no longer need your passport to make any currency exchange.
I also suggest that you change any monies on the day and in the exact amount you expect to utilize these payments since the exchange rate has been dropping to the betterment of the dollar / Euro. A week ago the rate was about 11 grivna to the dollar, now is is 11. 90. I would also suggest that you make your payments tot he ladies only in grivna and not in dollars or euros thereby substantially reducing your costs.As usual, Uke Boy is offering some useful advice. If you are coming to Kyiv you should bring as much Western currency as possible. The economic (not to mention the political) situation here is in dramatic flux. No telling what will happen tomorrow let alone next week.
About currency exchange rates, they might be at 1 USD for 11. 60 UAH on the internet, but not on the streets of Kyiv. I was on and around Kreshchatyk all afternoon today. The highest I saw was 1 USD for 11. 25 UAH (private exchange booths) while the lowest was an inexplicable 1 USD for 10. 90 UAH (banks). I find the exchange rate here is often sluggish to keep up with the rates posted on internet sites. I've also read reports on the internet by Ukrainian economists that the UAH with hover around 10 UAH to the dollar this year. It has already jumped from 8 to 10 and then quickly back to 9 in late February/ early March. Who really know how far the UAH will drop before it rises again.
As for ATM's, there was a run on withdrawing UAH in mid to late February during the height of the fighting which forced banks to place withdrawal restrictions on customers. However, that does not seem to be the case in Kyiv now. I withdrew 6000 UAH just an hour ago with no problem. I watched the man ahead of me withdraw around 2000 UAH with no difficulty. This was done at a very busy 'Agricola' bank at the base of my apartment outside of the city center. This is just my experiences in Kyiv, for what it is worth.
I've also read reports on the internet by Ukrainian economists that the UAH with hover around 10 UAH to the dollar this year.I don t think so, as first reform required by IMF to provide loans to Ukraine is let its currency depreciate.
Great story! Fortune has smiled on you my friend. She is a knockout.
In fact, your story makes me want to visit Kiev now. I have some free time in about 6 weeks. Is it safe to visit now? What's it like? I figure that exchange rate-wise, there is no better time than now.
Woke up this morning to a beautiful day here in Kyiv. Hoped the metro to the center, exchanged a large amount of American currency into UAH and took a leisurely walk around Kreshchatyk and Globus Mall. Lots of lovely ladies walking around, gentleman.
I sent a SMS to Olga (the River Palace contact I still have) asking if she was up for an afternoon fuck but she told me she wouldn't be done work until 18:00 but could we meet afterwards? I told her I had dinner plans with friends (in truth a feebie I am chasing). While I've been concentrating my time and efforts on chasing the many feebies available to a gainfully employed man living fulltime in Kyiv, Olga is very sexy and someone I thoroughly enjoy fucking.
It was shortly afterwards, while I was wandering around Maidan, that I received a SMS from Yana. Yana is an early twenties woman I met for dinner back in November. At the time I was too busy with work to chase anymore than one or two freebies, so despite our pleasant dinner together and her obvious interest, I decided to pursue someone else. However, we stayed in touch on Facebook and even promised to meet again sometime. Anyway, with the economic and political instability in Ukraine now, the company she works for has cut down on her hours and she was obviously stressed about it. She was telling me that she wasn't sure how she was going to pay rent next month. I grabbed the opportunity and made a playful remark that I was single and would gladly help with her expenses in exchange for her time. At first she waivered and insisted she was not a prostitute. I told her that of course she wasn't but that we are both adults and why not have some fun together? She said she thought I was handsome, hadn't had sex for nearly 8 months and would certainly think it over.
As I was having dinner with Tanya, the freebie I am chasing, I got a message from Yana saying she would come over to my flat later to talk. Soon afterwards, I gave Tanya a long kiss goodnight and hoped the metro back to my flat. The fact that Yana was not the kind of woman who would normally give sex for money really turned me on. So much so that I did not respond to Olga when she asked again if I wanted to meet tonight.
Yana showed up looking good and after a few drinks I started to kiss her hand and lips. Well, she just left 45 minutes ago after two hours of terrific fucking. The best part was watching those large, perky tits bounce up and down as she rode me. Yana is a warm woman with a playful attitude in bed. I gave her 1000 UAH (91 USD) for her time and told her we could meet again soon, if she wanted. She agreed but made me promise I would not tell anyone about our arrangement.
Hi guys,
I just returned from a short stay in Kiev. It is an incredible time to be there after what's been happening recently. After visiting the city, I decided to spend Sunday night at Arena (
http://www.arena-kiev.com/
). It was empty, but the English speaking hostess was friendly enough and agreed to show me the different bar, restaurants, and clubs. She explained that the club across the square was new and worth a visit. So we walked over there together. There was a bar and a dance floor. There was one nice looking woman sitting at the bar. I decided to stay and order a drink for 90 UAH (6 euros). I soon started chatting with the bartender and then the woman at the bar. She was very friendly and spoke enough English for us to have a few laughs. I decided to offer her a drink. The bartender bought a different drink menu than on one I used. She indicated the glass of white wine that the woman ordered. I followed her finger on the menu to the column on the right. It indicated 150. She asked if I agreed and I said sure. She then poured the wine like it was liquid gold. The bartender had asked me to pay for my drink as soon as I ordered, but not the woman's drink. I became supicious and immediately asked for the bill. The amount was 528 UAH (35 euros). I asked why not 150 UAH. She said that 150 was the amount of milliliters! What a scam. I immediately paid and left the bar, never to return. On the way out, I went back to speak to the friendly hostess. I explained what happened. She said it was my fault for not reading carefully the menu. What a scam.
Later than night, I went to Dolly Salon (
http://www.salondolly.com/
). For less then what I spent at Arena, I had an incredible 1 hour erotic massage. The woman, pretty, dressed in sexy lingerie, did a great job with the massage. The second part of the massage was incredibly erotic. She was totally naked and oiled for that part. Just no touching her pussy. Highly recommended.Comrade,
I am not sure that this is a scam.
It is very common on menus in former soviet countries that the volume of the glass of wine is written next to the price.
Maybe it is a scam, but it might be legit too.
Regards.
Reiner Otto
04-07-14, 09:51
about increased documents control around Maidan, which might include Vodka Bar. Can a local confirm this?
about increased documents control around Maidan, which might include Vodka Bar. Can a local confirm this?10 days ago = no problem. But they started to sort out all people with at Russian passport at the airport.
Reiner Otto
04-07-14, 13:38
about increased documents control around Maidan, which might include Vodka Bar. Can a local confirm this?Http://kiev.segodnya.ua/kpeople/na-maydane-v-kieve-ustanovili-komendantskiy-chas-510402.html
I'm going in a few days to Kiev and want to check for some nice company already in advance. Is there any good site beside mamba. Ru for this?
In "professional" ads there is just contact via phone possible and no email or chat contact before.
What about changing money right now? On Airport I assume they will have bad rate, so better fetch money from ATM or Bank or take enough Euro with me to change there?
Many thanks already and of course there will come a report when I'm successful with nice girls.
Reiner Otto
04-07-14, 18:56
On Airport I assume they will have bad rate,Just change a few $/Euro to cover the trip to the city and some beer.
I would suggest some more cash as usual to take, besides CC, because of political reasons there MIGHT be problems again picking money from the ATMs.
It seems no amount of explanation and good sense can penetrate your cloud. And guys like CB who second you on a point that was never in debate, have missed the point.
It is not in question that the average of all salaries and wages in Kiev city is higher than the rest of Ukraine's cities and oblasts / districts. I have never written otherwise. If you wish to pretend that I am disputing that fact, and posture yourself as if you are correct on this point versus what I have written, you may mislead fellows like CB and others, who haven't read carefully. But it does little to further the advice needed to be given about how much money is reasonable to offer a studenka for a sponsorship support arrangement. So you continue to becloud this issue with your mistaken input.
What I have tried to explain previously is a simple point, which you or anyone else should be able to understand...Liljoy,
Some folks on this board seem not to be able to follow your simple argument, and I would recommend you not to waist much more of your time.
Liljoy,
Some folks on this board seem not to be able to follow your simple argument, and I would recommend you not to waist much more of your time.I had already decided the same. I wasn't actually writing for those who weren't listening or reading carefully, or making smug comments that they can afford to ignore my advice. That is to their own peril anyway. My intent was to clarify things for the general readership which does read and benefit from cogent advice, and is generally interested in things like how much is proper to offer a studentka for sponsorship. It's something that comes up for mongers in Kiev. I have written enough on the topic. So there is enough there in the thread so that a careful reader will not get misdirected by all the talk about Kiev having higher income jobs in sectors of the job market that have nothing to do with studentkas' employment options. But thanks for your advice. I sometimes feel compelled to write when it's to correct clearly wrong advice posted on the thread. Why do I care?
Anaximander
04-08-14, 09:08
Woke up this morning to a beautiful day here in Kyiv. Hoped the metro to the center, exchanged a large amount of American currency into UAH and took a leisurely walk around Kreshchatyk and Globus Mall. Lots of lovely ladies walking around, gentleman.
I sent a SMS to Olga (the River Palace contact I still have) asking if she was up for an afternoon fuck but she told me she wouldn't be done work until 18:00 but could we meet afterwards? I told her I had dinner plans with friends (in truth a feebie I am chasing). While I've been concentrating my time and efforts on chasing the many feebies available to a gainfully employed man living fulltime in Kyiv, Olga is very sexy and someone I thoroughly enjoy fucking...CanadianBoy, this is a truly inspiring story! Well done, sir!
I have had a few cases of potential freebies where I thought this might be possible, and your story has given me added impetus to try. Will report back to the forum on how it went!
Great story! Fortune has smiled on you my friend. She is a knockout.
In fact, your story makes me want to visit Kiev now. I have some free time in about 6 weeks. Is it safe to visit now? What's it like? I figure that exchange rate-wise, there is no better time than now.Manny, CB's stories reflect the fact that he, like Irish or myself and a few others in the forum, are long-term residents here. We have the opportunity to play the long game. We are not here for a weekend, or a week or two as 99. 9% of the guys who read the forum mostly do. You and they come here and you must then try and make each and every moment or meeting count, be it with freebies or paid pros. We can and do meet all sorts of girls in a variety of social settings and circumstances just like you do at home. Additionally, if you speak Russian and / or Ukrainian, now your world of opportunity expands to every available girl in the city or the region.
I do serial dating and meet women in lots of ways locally, through work, friends, chance meetings etc. I also indulge with the ladies on mamba and also with the pros. Some hook-ups have not been great but since I am here, I just chalk it up to a bad connection and move on, losing nothing, gaining experience and knowledge. For me, though, most experiences over the years have been either mostly good and satisfying with a smaller number truly memorable.
If you think that such opportunities will come your way in a short visit, you will most likely be most disappointed. You need to either have great game, and it is only the rare guy who does have it, or you will need to work at it very very hard with time and opportunity here definitely not in your favor with a short-term stay if you are looking to score a la CB. Lots of work with mamba and encounters in the bars and the clubs will give you your best chances for scoring.
So far it is safe here in Kiev but I do suggest that you stay away from the Maidan area at night. Given the latest events in the east of Ukraine and the explosive political passions, what the situation will be here in six weeks' time is impossible to say. That is also about the time the presidential elections are to be held, perhaps, on May 25. As for me, I have scheduled a 10-day holiday with my current favorite to Spain at that time.
Member #4274
04-08-14, 12:37
I check out Mamba usually once every week or two. Here's a woman who has been sending me messages ad nauseam. She is looking for a sponsor. I asked how much she wanted for a few hours at my flat and she replied "100?" In my opinion she is not worth one hundred (a terrible thing to say about a human being, I know). Speaks English. She was extremely eager to meet immediately so I am sure she's wiling to drop her price. I've got enough on my plate, so have at 'er boys.
http://www.mamba.ru/mb1099953708?hit=3
Manny, CB's stories reflect the fact that he, like Irish or myself and a few others in the forum, are long-term residents here. We have the opportunity to play the long game. We are not here for a weekend, or a week or two as 99. 9% of the guys who read the forum mostly do. You and they come here and you must then try and make each and every moment or meeting count, be it with freebies or paid pros. We can and do meet all sorts of girls in a variety of social settings and circumstances just like you do at home. Additionally, if you speak Russian and / or Ukrainian, now your world of opportunity expands to every available girl in the city or the region.
I do serial dating and meet women in lots of ways locally, through work, friends, chance meetings etc. I also indulge with the ladies on mamba and also with the pros. Some hook-ups have not been great but since I am here, I just chalk it up to a bad connection and move on, losing nothing, gaining experience and knowledge. For me, though, most experiences over the years have been either mostly good and satisfying with a smaller number truly memorable.
If you think that such opportunities will come your way in a short visit, you will most likely be most disappointed. You need to either have great game, and it is only the rare guy who does have it, or you will need to work at it very very hard with time and opportunity here definitely not in your favor with a short-term stay if you are looking to score a la CB. Lots of work with mamba and encounters in the bars and the clubs will give you your best chances for scoring.
So far it is safe here in Kiev but I do suggest that you stay away from the Maidan area at night. Given the latest events in the east of Ukraine and the explosive political passions, what the situation will be here in six weeks' time is impossible to say. That is also about the time the presidential elections are to be held, perhaps, on May 25. As for me, I have scheduled a 10-day holiday with my current favorite to Spain at that time.Thanks for the tip. I suspected as much. In fact, I worried that desperate times would make people more desperate, encouraging scams and even darker stuff, so I decided to trip somewhere else. But its a fun success story nonetheless.
Do continue to post more pictures though. Ukranian women, along with Japanese, are the most beautiful women in the world.
Question to the members living locally:
Is there any swinger club in Kiev?
Spasibo
Woke up this morning to a beautiful day here in Kyiv. Hoped the metro to the center, exchanged a large amount of American currency into UAH and took a leisurely walk around Kreshchatyk and Globus Mall. Lots of lovely ladies walking around, gentleman.
I sent a SMS to Olga (the River Palace contact I still have) asking if she was up for an afternoon fuck but she told me she wouldn't be done work until 18:00 but could we meet afterwards? I told her I had dinner plans with friends (in truth a feebie I am chasing). While I've been concentrating my time and efforts on chasing the many feebies available to a gainfully employed man living fulltime in Kyiv, Olga is very sexy and someone I thoroughly enjoy fucking.
It was shortly afterwards, while I was wandering around Maidan, that I received a SMS from Yana. Yana is an early twenties woman I met for dinner back in November. At the time I was too busy with work to chase anymore than one or two freebies, so despite our pleasant dinner together and her obvious interest, I decided to pursue someone else. However, we stayed in touch on Facebook and even promised to meet again sometime. Anyway, with the economic and political instability in Ukraine now, the company she works for has cut down on her hours and she was obviously stressed about it. She was telling me that she wasn't sure how she was going to pay rent next month. I grabbed the opportunity and made a playful remark that I was single and would gladly help with her expenses in exchange for her time. At first she waivered and insisted she was not a prostitute. I told her that of course she wasn't but that we are both adults and why not have some fun together? She said she thought I was handsome, hadn't had sex for nearly 8 months and would certainly think it over.
As I was having dinner with Tanya, the freebie I am chasing, I got a message from Yana saying she would come over to my flat later to talk. Soon afterwards, I gave Tanya a long kiss goodnight and hoped the metro back to my flat. The fact that Yana was not the kind of woman who would normally give sex for money really turned me on. So much so that I did not respond to Olga when she asked again if I wanted to meet tonight.
Yana showed up looking good and after a few drinks I started to kiss her hand and lips. Well, she just left 45 minutes ago after two hours of terrific fucking. The best part was watching those large, perky tits bounce up and down as she rode me. Yana is a warm woman with a playful attitude in bed. I gave her 1000 UAH (91 USD) for her time and told her we could meet again soon, if she wanted. She agreed but made me promise I would not tell anyone about our arrangement.Hello, could you please let me know her details? Phone number etc?
Gentleman Travel
04-12-14, 16:03
Categorizing girls in Kiev as pro, semi-pro and freebies is not reflective on the situation here. The range spans from very innocent and pure girls who would never consider meeting a man for money through possibly 20 levels of sponsorship all the way up to the hard core pros. However, even within those subcategories will be variations, depending on who you are and how they feel at the time.I love this description of the subtle gradations between "freebie" and "pro"!
It makes it a challenge to negotiate or navigate through the maze of a dyev's self-perception and self-deception.
Offer some girls money and get "I am not a prostitute (at least, not for such small money)!"
Offer her a trip to Paris and get "It has always been my dream, of course I will go with you."
As usual, Uke Boy is offering some useful advice. If you are coming to Kyiv you should bring as much Western currency as possible. The economic (not to mention the political) situation here is in dramatic flux. No telling what will happen tomorrow let alone next week.
About currency exchange rates, they might be at 1 USD for 11. 60 UAH on the internet, but not on the streets of Kyiv. I was on and around Kreshchatyk all afternoon today. The highest I saw was 1 USD for 11. 25 UAH (private exchange booths) while the lowest was an inexplicable 1 USD for 10. 90 UAH (banks). I find the exchange rate here is often sluggish to keep up with the rates posted on internet sites. I've also read reports on the internet by Ukrainian economists that the UAH with hover around 10 UAH to the dollar this year. It has already jumped from 8 to 10 and then quickly back to 9 in late February / early March. Who really know how far the UAH will drop before it rises again.
As for ATM's, there was a run on withdrawing UAH in mid to late February during the height of the fighting which forced banks to place withdrawal restrictions on customers. However, that does not seem to be the case in Kyiv now. I withdrew 6000 UAH just an hour ago with no problem. I watched the man ahead of me withdraw around 2000 UAH with no difficulty. This was done at a very busy 'Agricola' bank at the base of my apartment outside of the city center. This is just my experiences in Kyiv, for what it is worth.Hello, I was in Kiev last February and due to the barricades all this area was closed. How is it today with the summer starting? Is open and free now and the girls again walking there looking for customers? Thanks for updated information
Member #4274
04-13-14, 07:19
Hello, I was in Kiev last February and due to the barricades all this area was closed. How is it today with the summer starting? Is open and free now and the girls again walking there looking for customers? Thanks for updated informationI haven't been around the McDonalds area of Maidan since November so I don't know who is hanging around there right now. I was in and around Maidan Friday for a while and I can tell you the majority of the barricades are still there but the atmosphere is quite relaxed, especially compared to last February. Other than some very strange characters wandering about, not much was happening. To be honest, I'm not even sure the McDonalds has reopened, although I would wager it probably has. I will be down there this week and if so I will check it out.
Regardless, I was at the Shuliavska metro station yesterday evening waiting for a friend of mine to go to dinner and you should've seen all the lovely university students heading down to take the metro. Tons of them in tight jeans and heels (still too cold for short skirts) heading towards the center.
Gentleman Travel
04-14-14, 14:22
Any advice on special things to pick up at Duty Free on the way into Ukraine?
Like are there items that are currently unavailable in Kiev, or outrageously priced?
Is there a perfume brand with universal appeal to dyevs?
I don't buy perfumes in real life, so am kind of clueless about this.
Any suggestions for generic gifts, if I am dating numerous girls and am not getting their perfume preferences in advance?
Any advice on special things to pick up at Duty Free on the way into Ukraine?
Like are there items that are currently unavailable in Kiev, or outrageously priced?
Is there a perfume brand with universal appeal to dyevs?
I don't buy perfumes in real life, so am kind of clueless about this.
Any suggestions for generic gifts, if I am dating numerous girls and am not getting their perfume preferences in advance?In my opinion anf after compare prices with the shopping malls in Kiev most of the products in the Kiev duty freee are more expensive eg parfumes smokes cosmetics etc. Even the local or Russian vodka. Therefore I suggest shopping in Kiev city
I haven't been around the McDonalds area of Maidan since November so I don't know who is hanging around there right now. I was in and around Maidan Friday for a while and I can tell you the majority of the barricades are still there but the atmosphere is quite relaxed, especially compared to last February. Other than some very strange characters wandering about, not much was happening. To be honest, I'm not even sure the McDonalds has reopened, although I would wager it probably has. I will be down there this week and if so I will check it out.
Regardless, I was at the Shuliavska metro station yesterday evening waiting for a friend of mine to go to dinner and you should've seen all the lovely university students heading down to take the metro. Tons of them in tight jeans and heels (still too cold for short skirts) heading towards the center.Thanks for your valuable information. I will check this metro station next trip and will confirm. However is a risk to travel to Ukraine now due to all these problems but nice to know that the sexy girls are still there
Any advice on special things to pick up at Duty Free on the way into Ukraine?If you are a cigar smoker, better buy them either home or at the duty free. Prices in Ukraine are western prices x 1.5.
I arrive Friday and as I'll stay some seven weeks, I'll bring with me four boxes of 25 sticks each (two sticks per day). Maximum allowed is 50 cigars, but until now I've never had a problem.
Hello, I was in Kiev last February and due to the barricades all this area was closed. How is it today with the summer starting? Is open and free now and the girls again walking there looking for customers? Thanks for updated informationI was in Kiev about 3 weeks ago, and all the Maidan area is open. Barricades are there but you can walk freely, Mc Donalds Kreshatik is open, not many places were closed. I had some drinks at Coffee Time but Budha Bar was closed on a Saturday night. I cannot say if there are girls looking for customers as I don't go there looking for action.
Any advice on special things to pick up at Duty Free on the way into Ukraine?
Like are there items that are currently unavailable in Kiev, or outrageously priced?
Is there a perfume brand with universal appeal to dyevs?
I don't buy perfumes in real life, so am kind of clueless about this.
Any suggestions for generic gifts, if I am dating numerous girls and am not getting their perfume preferences in advance?I have some minor experience about perfumes for dyevs. If you choose the lighter perfumes you can't go wrong.
I use to buy "D&G Light Blue","Versace Bright Crystal","Versace Yellow Diamond","Jean-Paul Gaultier Woman X","Paco Rabanne Million Dollar Lady". The most popular has been D&G, Versace and J-P Gaultier.
Stay away from the "heavy"perfumes, because the dyevs prefers the light and fresh ones. Some manufactures make some special summer-perfumes that is quite good and popular.
If you are in doubt and don't know anything about it, you must ask the people working in the perfume-section in the duty-free store. They know everything about this and knows what is popular or not.
Perfumes in Ukraine is out agedly overpriced. On my last visit to Odessa / Nikolaev in September I checked the prices in stores and it was 1200UAH for 100ml. Of perfume. The price on the duty-free was more then half of that. The prices may have changed during the last six months.
Hi fellow mongers,
Kiev, been away for a long time. I haven't been to Kiev for the last 3 years, and I finally convinced my company to hire some computer experts from Kiev. So I am coming back to establish a very long business relation with our new Ukrainian business partners.
I am more into Clubs where I can choose my victim according to here moves and spirit. I don't like fucking a women that I haven't spent some fun-time with.
Can anyone tell me about Clubs in Kiev that opened already. I used to go to Patiba, Tsar, Arena etc. For the ladies, I am not into Buddha Bar or Strip Clubs. Any suggestions for fun time?
Damn I loved Kiev. Unfortunately I was business wise more oriented to the MIddle East.
So Clubs in the first question.
Easyease
Hi again,
I want to film the ladies while screwing them. Perhaps a 3some.
Any Idea how I can contact ladies who don't mind to be filmed?
You can PM me.
EasyEase
TexasMorrell
04-15-14, 00:50
Thanks for your valuable information. I will check this metro station next trip and will confirm. However is a risk to travel to Ukraine now due to all these problems but nice to know that the sexy girls are still therePartner if you want to come to Kiev then come. I am here now and the people are as nice as they have always been. Maybe even more so. I was walking with my woman up and down Kreshatik all day with no problems. There are tire barricades and stacks of bricks pulled from the sidewalks ready to be thrown if needed. But it is all nice and orderly. There are military style tents neatly lined up in the middle of the street and porta potties in designated areas. I was really surprised how organized and calm it is. I was not concerned at all. In fact there are places in America that are far more scary than Kiev is. FYI I got a list of the closed clubs in Kiev today. Most are gone now. Mandarin, Budda, Deluxe, all the big names are gone. The tourists and the local riche are all gone. Mamba is the way to go if you want girls. Many many girls looking for sponsors now. It took me less than an hour to get 10 girls lined up. At one point I was talking with 4 girls at once on Mamba and could not keep up. And these are not pros either. They are college girls needing financial assistance. So I would recommend anyone who wants to come, to come and help them out.
Hey Texas,
You wrote that Buddha, Mandarin and Dlux are closed. Can you tell me if Rio is closed as well? Any other clubs like Decandance, Avalon, Shooters?
Thanks
Partner if you want to come to Kiev then come. I am here now and the people are as nice as they have always been. Maybe even more so. I was walking with my woman up and down Kreshatik all day with no problems. There are tire barricades and stacks of bricks pulled from the sidewalks ready to be thrown if needed. But it is all nice and orderly. There are military style tents neatly lined up in the middle of the street and porta potties in designated areas. I was really surprised how organized and calm it is. I was not concerned at all. In fact there are places in America that are far more scary than Kiev is. FYI I got a list of the closed clubs in Kiev today. Most are gone now. Mandarin, Budda, Deluxe, all the big names are gone. The tourists and the local riche are all gone. Mamba is the way to go if you want girls. Many many girls looking for sponsors now. It took me less than an hour to get 10 girls lined up. At one point I was talking with 4 girls at once on Mamba and could not keep up. And these are not pros either. They are college girls needing financial assistance. So I would recommend anyone who wants to come, to come and help them out.
TexasMorrell
04-15-14, 18:21
Hey Texas,
You wrote that Buddha, Mandarin and Dlux are closed. Can you tell me if Rio is closed as well? Any other clubs like Decandance, Avalon, Shooters?
ThanksOne of my girls mentioned Rio being closed but I cannot confirm. As for the others I have no idea. Coyote is still open though. Do not plan on going to any clubs this trip because I have so many Mamba girls lined up. You might be able to find out on Google though.
Too many rumours I guess. I send a message to one of the managers of Rio. They are still open. But I agree, due to the situation it makes more sense to work with mamba. I can agree, it is a fact that so many nice girls get back to me on mamba. This was not the case about 4 months ago. Will be in Kiev in 2 days, let's see.
One of my girls mentioned Rio being closed but I cannot confirm. As for the others I have no idea. Coyote is still open though. Do not plan on going to any clubs this trip because I have so many Mamba girls lined up. You might be able to find out on Google though.
I don't know how the scene is there now, but it's open. Check the clubs websites.
TexasMorrell
04-16-14, 02:27
Too many rumours I guess. I send a message to one of the managers of Rio. They are still open. But I agree, due to the situation it makes more sense to work with mamba. I can agree, it is a fact that so many nice girls get back to me on mamba. This was not the case about 4 months ago. Will be in Kiev in 2 days, let's see.Probably should have clarified. Some clubs closed and others have cut back on operating hours. I get all my info from Mamba girls so cannot confirm but its their city so I believe them. Best to get it from the source though.
LifeSavour
04-16-14, 02:43
How can 500$ cover girls expences on cloth and living when even pair of normal womens shose cost 500$.
Class cost even in Ukraine.How?
They just do it. They "get it done".
2000. My 1st trip. Salaries were $75. And WE went shopping. Shit cost $200!
Go figure. They value looking "klasna"
Luv the UKR devushka!
I'm curious if the strip clubs like Rio adapted their fees for the girls. If it is still 2, 300 Griwna, then it would be around EUR 130! (around EUR 220 3 months ago). So for one hour 40 Euros. Unbelivable if it is like that. Let's see.
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