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Shevchenko
04-17-14, 03:19
I'm curious if the strip clubs like Rio adapted their fees for the girls. If it is still 2, 300 Griwna, then it would be around EUR 130! (around EUR 220 3 months ago). So for one hour 40 Euros. Unbelivable if it is like that. Let's see.Can this be true? Or am I missing something?

At Gia, a girl named Alisa, for example, costs 250 dollars for the first hour.

But if you convert the page into Russian by clicking the upper left button, it shows she costs 2000 hryvnia, which is about 150 dollars now.

Wasn't 2000 hryvnia about 250 dollars before the trouble began in Ukaraine last November? This means Gia has not changed the fees either for Russian or English speaking customers since November.

250 dollars is now about 3200 hryvnia. They are making more money out of us now than 6 months ago!

So what if we insist we pay only 2000 hryvnia and not 250 dollars?

Tomux 22
04-17-14, 11:50
How?

They just do it. They "get it done".

2000. My 1st trip. Salaries were $75. And WE went shopping. Shit cost $200!

Go figure. They value looking "klasna"

Luv the UKR devushka!Some of them dose, while many looks kind of cheap. There is not much not too like about EE dievs my friend.

And if to talk about "klasna", lets hope this will last for many years too come.

Banditt864
04-17-14, 12:18
Hi,

Will go to Kiev for a few days soon. My fist trip to Kiev. Need some advice and tips.

Have been talking with some girls on Mamba. I wonder where is the best paces to meet them?

Will be staying at Hotel Ukraine.

Thanks,

B

Banditt864
04-17-14, 12:39
Probably should have clarified. Some clubs closed and others have cut back on operating hours. I get all my info from Mamba girls so cannot confirm but its their city so I believe them. Best to get it from the source though.Hello,

It's my first trip to KIev, and have had some conntact with girls on Mamba. Wonder where is the most suitable places to meet them?

B

Kirch
04-17-14, 16:36
At Gia they have some discounts. There is one right now who takes 4.000 griwna for 8 hours. Around EUR 250. Good deal. Problem is the exchange rate has gone worse the last two days. Two days ago it would have been EUR 200 for 8 hours only. Grrrrrr.


Can this be true? Or am I missing something?

At Gia, a girl named Alisa, for example, costs 250 dollars for the first hour.

But if you convert the page into Russian by clicking the upper left button, it shows she costs 2000 hryvnia, which is about 150 dollars now.

Wasn't 2000 hryvnia about 250 dollars before the trouble began in Ukaraine last November? This means Gia has not changed the fees either for Russian or English speaking customers since November.

250 dollars is now about 3200 hryvnia. They are making more money out of us now than 6 months ago!

So what if we insist we pay only 2000 hryvnia and not 250 dollars?

Kirch
04-17-14, 17:48
It's always better to be careful with rumours like you spread here. Mandarin, Rio, Buddha Bar, Delux, etc. Are all open! I'm here and can confirm. May be it's just a strategy from the girls you know to tell you they are all closed, so you stay at home with them. Just kidding.


Partner if you want to come to Kiev then come. I am here now and the people are as nice as they have always been. Maybe even more so. I was walking with my woman up and down Kreshatik all day with no problems. There are tire barricades and stacks of bricks pulled from the sidewalks ready to be thrown if needed. But it is all nice and orderly. There are military style tents neatly lined up in the middle of the street and porta potties in designated areas. I was really surprised how organized and calm it is. I was not concerned at all. In fact there are places in America that are far more scary than Kiev is. FYI I got a list of the closed clubs in Kiev today. Most are gone now. Mandarin, Budda, Deluxe, all the big names are gone. The tourists and the local riche are all gone. Mamba is the way to go if you want girls. Many many girls looking for sponsors now. It took me less than an hour to get 10 girls lined up. At one point I was talking with 4 girls at once on Mamba and could not keep up. And these are not pros either. They are college girls needing financial assistance. So I would recommend anyone who wants to come, to come and help them out.

TexasMorrell
04-17-14, 19:57
Hello,

It's my first trip to KIev, and have had some conntact with girls on Mamba. Wonder where is the most suitable places to meet them?

BThere is no particular place to meet Mamba girls. Just contact them on Mamba and negotiate the rate. Be direct and don't beat around the Bush. Very first question I ask is "looking for a sponsor?" They either say yes or no or don't respond. If they say yes then set the deal. $50 and sushi gets the job done for me. Some guys might be a little more or less. They are all different but they are very eager right now so bid with confidence.

Kirch
04-17-14, 23:32
My first Night out in Kiev and some increased the prices due to the exchange rate and some not. For instance taxi rides, drinks, etc. In some locations increased. But I was very disappointed of Rio tonight. 3 hours is 3.000 Griwna now. Not anymore 2.300 Griwna. Some of the hot girls even want to have 3.000 Griwna for two hours instead of thee hours. Strange is that at my Hotel (Fairmont) they didn't increase and everything is cheaper due to the good exchange rate. But this exchange rate today decrease, so prices inceased today again.

Another bad information is, that due to the Eastern Holidays almost all clubs are closed on Saturday and Sunday.

Kiev is still on a downgrade way. A pity compared to a couple of years ago.

Good night

TexasMorrell
04-18-14, 00:41
Guys just went to the Relax parlor tonight behind Premier Palace Hotel. MONEY WELL SPENT! They have a variety of massage techniques but I chose the standard with erotic half and half. $60 for the hour. Sophia was my girl. She is new and not on the website yet. Very tall over 6' in heels. Had a touch like an angel. Body was a 10/10, face is a 8/10. To me the perfect woman. Breasts like I have never seen before. Perfectly shaped and firmness just right. Best part was her attitude. Nothing shark about her. Real GFE. No up selling at all. She was fascinated to hear anything about America. She asked me 100 questions and she was fun to talk to. The whole experience was as relaxing as it could be. The interior of the parlor was very clean and cozy. Nice shower room for before and after. Guys I always have more fun with the massage experience than with the full service. I don't know if I am alone in this but it is just more enjoyable. Give Relax a try, you will not be disappointed.

TexasMorrell
04-18-14, 01:05
May be it's just a strategy from the girls you know to tell you they are all closed, so you stay at home with them.No kidding, that might be the reason she told me that. Like I said, better to get it from the source than from someone like me.

Muddy7
04-18-14, 03:52
Guys just went to the Relax parlor tonight behind Premier Palace Hotel. MONEY WELL SPENT! They have a variety of massage techniques but I chose the standard with erotic half and half. $60 for the hour. Sophia was my girl. She is new and not on the website yet. Very tall over 6' in heels. Had a touch like an angel. Body was a 10/10, face is a 8/10. To me the perfect woman. Breasts like I have never seen before. Perfectly shaped and firmness just right. Best part was her attitude. Nothing shark about her. Real GFE. No up selling at all. She was fascinated to hear anything about America. She asked me 100 questions and she was fun to talk to. The whole experience was as relaxing as it could be. The interior of the parlor was very clean and cozy. Nice shower room for before and after. Guys I always have more fun with the massage experience than with the full service. I don't know if I am alone in this but it is just more enjoyable. Give Relax a try, you will not be disappointed.Can you take the girls home?

Muddy7
04-18-14, 16:42
But I was very disappointed of Rio tonight. 3 hours is 3.000 Griwna now. Not anymore 2.300 Griwna. Some of the hot girls even want to have 3.000 Griwna for two hours instead of thee hours.3. 000 Griwna for 2 hours and covered blowjob. LOL, its not worth it, best to stay away

TexasMorrell
04-18-14, 18:46
Can you take the girls home?No but you can ask for their number and if they like you they will give it to you and come to your place during their off time for some free lance work. This is what I am doing with the one I met last night.

Ganesha
04-18-14, 20:09
Guys just went to the Relax parlor tonight behind Premier Palace Hotel. MONEY WELL SPENT! They have a variety of massage techniques but I chose the standard with erotic half and half. $60 for the hour. Sophia was my girl. She is new and not on the website yet.May we know the name and Website of this 'Relax parlor' and please some words on the atmosphere of this place? Does it have any charme or is just plain functional?

X Alex X
04-18-14, 20:28
Went to Relax Massage (google for directions).

- Very clean and nice place.

- Very friendly staff.

- Prices exactly according price-list on their website.

- Free WiFi.

- Had 3 girls to choose from, all of them very pretty.

- Chose "Lana". Turned out to be a perfect choice!

- Very very beautiful girl, beautiful eyes, perfect body with beautiful tits, perfectly soft skin.

- She speaks a little bit of English, had a nice conversation.

- Great oil massage, after flip-over a wonderful (!) erotic massage.

Overall. Had a great time!

PS: No cards accepted, ATM at the Premier Palace Hotel just around the corner.

Member #4491
04-19-14, 02:56
http://www.mamba.ru/mb1099953708?hit=3Looks like a druggie.

I wrote a post that somehow got fucked away when I accidentally pressed some shortcut key combination. Maybe it shows up half done here. My memory is bad but the essence of the post was probably to go for girlfriends instead of sponsorship. It is not that hard, no matter if you live in Kiev or just commute there. Takes a little longer to build a proper ring of girlfriends and fuck buddies that needs rent money if you have somewhere else to be most of your life, but it is done in the same way as for example Asia or South America. Irish Lad said it. There are so many levels to the "support a / your woman"-game. In my opinion you should never have to qualify for a girlfriend with money, but no harm in helping a girl you like or love. Men most often feel pretty good when they can take on the role of providers of some sort.

Maybe invent a little job for her, so she stays in the right frame of mind (she works for you) and do not have to loose face. Language related "work" is always an easy way out. Maybe one or several girlfriends is the best way if you need to think about 100-dollars up or down, but 500 USD per month will do it for a provincial teen dev that lives in one of those shitty hostels. Find her first and if she is worthy of actually getting to see you every week, help her out. If you are a masochist you can get one of those pro sponsorship wh*res and pay thousands, only to find that you can never pay enough to make her satisfied anyway.

But the big question here is not the money but rather IF you actually want to commit to eating that same clam burger every week, when there is so much talent to be had at 600-800 UAH per session (sessions with no time constraint since I do not find my girls in Rio). I have a flat rate of 800 UAH for pay per screw, and all of the girls I met have been happy when they got this. Unless they get entangled in some very serious relation, they will normally come immediately when I send them a text. My recipe is one or two girlfriends that you like to chat with when you are out of town, and a few rings of students or young girls with bad salary to maintain the variation when you are in town. The more times you visit UA, the better your quality of girls will be, both when it comes to looks and brain.

In any way, I am back in UA last week of April. Kiev for a couple of days and then doing a road trip with a knight so that will be fun. He found is amazing teen talent, that are very responsive. I credit my good friend for excellent prep work, chatting with these candidates. Looking forward to see new parts of UA.

Cheers,

Barba

Ross123
04-19-14, 13:39
3. 000 Griwna for 2 hours and covered blowjob. LOL, its not worth it, best to stay awayGuys,

Why do you keep insisting on going to Rio, when the place is so small and so busy, at times one is lucky to get a place to sit and if you do the chances are that you end up on a stool, and then you are surrounded by security guards, just been to Dolls and their prices are the same as they were last year in Hryvnia, entrance fee 200, 30mins erotic massage 500, and 2 hour take out 2,400, at the current rate that works at $240 for two hours, Rio is $300 for 3 hours irrespective of the exchange rate which can be argued is slightly cheaper but bu not much. But at Dolls you do not have to bribe security to get into the VIP area, because each visitor is treated as VIP, there is a live show every hour or two, much bigger rooms for a private dance or anything else from the crazy menu, and better design making the experience much better than that at Rio.

Member #4274
04-19-14, 13:46
My first Night out in Kiev and some increased the prices due to the exchange rate and some not. For instance taxi rides, drinks, etc. In some locations increased. But I was very disappointed of Rio tonight. 3 hours is 3. 000 Griwna now. Not anymore 2. 300 Griwna. Some of the hot girls even want to have 3. 000 Griwna for two hours instead of thee hours. Strange is that at my Hotel (Fairmont) they didn't increase and everything is cheaper due to the good exchange rate. But this exchange rate today decrease, so prices inceased today again.

Another bad information is, that due to the Eastern Holidays almost all clubs are closed on Saturday and Sunday.

Kiev is still on a downgrade way. A pity compared to a couple of years ago.

Good nightI couldn't agree more. I've noticed an increase in prices here in Kyiv. As for clubs being closed for the weekend, I don't know anything about that but I am currently having a late lunch here on Kreshchatyk and there is hardly anyone on the streets. Normally Saturday see's a swarm of people here. If any clubs are open tonight they will be a graveyard.

How14
04-19-14, 15:44
May we know the name and Website of this 'Relax parlor' and please some words on the atmosphere of this place? Does it have any charme or is just plain functional?Just put "Relax Massage Kiev", and the website is there.

Ross123
04-20-14, 04:37
My first Night out in Kiev and some increased the prices due to the exchange rate and some not. For instance taxi rides, drinks, etc. In some locations increased. But I was very disappointed of Rio tonight. 3 hours is 3. 000 Griwna now. Not anymore 2. 300 Griwna. Some of the hot girls even want to have 3. 000 Griwna for two hours instead of thee hours. Strange is that at my Hotel (Fairmont) they didn't increase and everything is cheaper due to the good exchange rate. But this exchange rate today decrease, so prices inceased today again.

Another bad information is, that due to the Eastern Holidays almost all clubs are closed on Saturday and Sunday.

Kiev is still on a downgrade way. A pity compared to a couple of years ago.

Good nightNot exactly correct, some clubs are closed but not all, both Solid Gold and Golden Rhino will be open over Easter, I guess others will as well. I do know that both Dolls and Rio are closed on both Saturday and Sunday.

For whatever reason Solid Golden had to close at 2230, was told there were technical issues, whereas Golden Rhino stayed open till 0600, the problem was that there were 3 guys and some 20 girls at Solid Golden, whereas at Golden Rhino there were only 5 girls and at times 20 guys, I was told the management didn't expect so many to turn up.

Golden Rhino is a bit of a rip off, apart from the fact there are no take outs, girls drinks are expensive and there is some pressure to go for a private dance every 15 minutes, when they drop the price from 400 to 200, not exactly a special offer when the offer is repeated that frequently.

TexasMorrell
04-20-14, 13:53
May we know the name and Website of this 'Relax parlor' and please some words on the atmosphere of this place? Does it have any charme or is just plain functional?The name is "RELAX". http://relaxmassage.kiev.ua/en/ It is located behind the Premier Palace Hotel, very easy to find.

The atmosphere is pleasant and inviting. You will not be disappointed.

Gentleman Travel
04-20-14, 15:55
Maybe invent a little job for her, so she stays in the right frame of mind (she works for you) and do not have to loose face. Language related "work" is always an easy way out. Maybe one or several girlfriends is the best way if you need to think about 100-dollars up or down, but 500 USD per month will do it for a provincial teen dev that lives in one of those shitty hostels. Find her first and if she is worthy of actually getting to see you every week, help her out. If you are a masochist you can get one of those pro sponsorship wh*res and pay thousands, only to find that you can never pay enough to make her satisfied anyway.

But the big question here is not the money but rather IF you actually want to commit to eating that same clam burger every week, when there is so much talent to be had at 600-800 UAH per session (sessions with no time constraint since I do not find my girls in Rio). I have a flat rate of 800 UAH for pay per screw, and all of the girls I met have been happy when they got this. Unless they get entangled in some very serious relation, they will normally come immediately when I send them a text. My recipe is one or two girlfriends that you like to chat with when you are out of town, and a few rings of students or young girls with bad salary to maintain the variation when you are in town. The more times you visit UA, the better your quality of girls will be, both when it comes to looks and brain.I agree. Just trying to find the right balance between investing the time to meet and bed "girlfriends" and having a reliable source for daily sex.

I hope to have the time, this time, to develop a pussy pipeline and enjoy the fruits of my efforts.

I was experimenting with sponsorship girls on Mamba, but mostly they are just hourly hookers, so not really offering the benefits of true sponsorship (unspoiled, eager, exclusive, economical). I had one girl pitch for $2000. $3000 and another for $7000! Can you believe it? It is probably best to approach girls NOT asking for sponsorship, and working up to it gradually. A much more productive approach was offering an out-of-town girl a "birthday present" of a weekend trip to Kiev to be wined and dined and feted. She jumped at it and even wants to bring her girlfriend, which sounds promising!

TexasMorrell
04-20-14, 18:45
I agree. Just trying to find the right balance between investing the time to meet and bed "girlfriends" and having a reliable source for daily sex.

I hope to have the time, this time, to develop a pussy pipeline and enjoy the fruits of my efforts.

I was experimenting with sponsorship girls on Mamba, but mostly they are just hourly hookers, so not really offering the benefits of true sponsorship (unspoiled, eager, exclusive, economical). I had one girl pitch for $2000. $3000 and another for $7000! Can you believe it? It is probably best to approach girls NOT asking for sponsorship, and working up to it gradually. A much more productive approach was offering an out-of-town girl a "birthday present" of a weekend trip to Kiev to be wined and dined and feted. She jumped at it and even wants to bring her girlfriend, which sounds promising!Good plan but beware of buyers remorse. I have been mislead by photos more than once and I am shell shocked now. I only proposition women I can verify first, like in a coffee shop where I can make a quick exit if needed.

TexasMorrell
04-20-14, 19:52
Paid a trip to the Dolly Salon today. Kiev, Str. Pushkinskaya 9&1041; (+38).067-408-24-97. The receptionist speaks English so fret not. It is located in an apartment building off the street so you need to walk to the back through the archway. Look for the building that reads 9&1041; and then walk into the big yellow wooden doors and up to the second floor and turn left when you step on the landing. You will be looking right at their door. Number 62 if I remember correctly. There are no markings to indicate it is not a regular apartment but once inside it is obvious what it is. Five girls to choose from. I chose the curvaceous redhead named Sonja. Thats right gents, a beautiful buxom Russian redhead named Sonja. I almost lost it before I got into the room. The interior was clean and cozy and inviting. Shower for before and after. Tasty candies to choose also. Sonja was perfect. She is a student earning spending money, not a pro. Beautiful red hair and creamy white skin. Perfect natural breasts and the touch of an angel. I chose the basic erotic massage for one hour only 350hrn. Very good prices compared to the other salons. Would highly recommend.

Member #4491
04-21-14, 00:10
It is probably best to approach girls NOT asking for sponsorship, and working up to it gradually.Could not agree more. Offer your sponsorship money to someone that deserves it. There are so many sweet and pretty devotchkas in Ukraine, so the cunts asking for thousands of dollars are totally useless. Do you have the URL to the 7K USD girl? Would be fun to see who it is.

B

Ross123
04-21-14, 06:48
Having spent a long weekend in Kiev, I thought I would post an update covering some of the strip clubs I visited. To start with Easter is not a good time to be in Kiev, many of the clubs were closed on Saturday and Sunday, but not Good Friday for whatever reason. I am not sure if this is something specific to this year because business is relatively quieter than usual or an annual occurrence.

In any case it did severely restrict the choice of places to go, on the other hand as a result I visited some of the clubs that I would have otherwise not visited.

To start with any concern I had about safety were unfounded, Maiden Square is still closed but having walked through the area on a number of occasions, I did not feel threatened, everyone was particularly friendly and welcoming. What I did find strange was that some places were selling souvenirs, not the usual type one would expect from a tourist destination but pieces of ordinance, bullet shells, hard hats and other bits connected to the fight that occurred during the Maiden occupation.

McDonalds that was used as a makeshift hospital is back to selling burgers, and apart from the odd burnt down car, the places is returning to normality. What hasn't are the clubs, many were pretty empty and I was told by some of the girls that they went for weeks not seeing more than the odd customer which barely covered their cost to get to work.

On Friday all clubs were open and it was business as usual, I thought I would give Dolls a go, and was pleasantly pleased to find out that their prices in Hryvna have not changed from last year irrespective of the fact that the exchange rate is now around 11 hryvna to the dollar. I am no expert in strip clubs in Kiev and do not purport to have extensively visited many, but I think Rio, Dolls and Manadarin are the better of the lot, not least because you are nor pressured to hand out cash all the time, they do not over inflate the girls drinks and provide a relaxed environment to spend an evening.

Dolls advertise their prices on their website, what is not shown is the take out price, which currently is 2, 700 Hryvna or around $270 for 2 hours, which because of the exchange rate, is now more competitive than it used to be. For 5, 000 one can take the girl for the whole of the night, or rather until 6am which is not the same, but if you pick up someone at 2100 that gives you more than enough time for a full GFE. It is also a lot cheaper than any escort agency would charge for an all nighter.

Saturday night proved more challenging, having been told by the girl I took home from Dolls that all clubs will be closed over the weekend, I was wondering what to do for the next few days, having tried Mamba before, I can't say I have been that lucky, of course there are lots of girls, but there are also lots of photos that are not of the girls, especially of the ones that are selling sex. With a little pressure I have frequently been able to get the girls to send their real photos, they normally say that they look similar to the photos on the site, but this is just their opinion, I have still to find someone that is as attractive as the photos on the site. I am not saying that all the girls on mamba are ugly, I have been lucky on a couple of occasions and got someone that looked 6 or 7, but frequently the girls are overweight and look nothing like the site pictures, so I try to stay away from mamba because of the high risk of getting someone that does not look anything like you expected, having said that if you are looking for a cheap fuck, and not too fused about the looks department one can get a good deal much better than any strip club, for me I like to see first before I buy!

Since I decided not to use Mamba, I thought I would check Rio in case I was misled that all clubs were closed, unfortunately, it was, lights off and not a person in sight, so I thought I would make my way to Arena complex and see what is happening there, my 1st stop was Solid Gold which was open, except at the time there was just one other customer, and some 10 or 15 girls, there were a couple of 6 or 7 but the rest would barely pass the 5 mark, however within an hour of arriving, we were told the club was to close for technical reasons, and were given 30 minutes notice to leave, I am not sure what the technical reasons could be, whether the owners decided it was too quite to leave the place open or the police where on their way, I don't know, however I was assured that it would be business as usual the next day.

Of interest is that Solid Gold do have take out, $300 for 3 hours which is the same as Rio, their drinks prices are around double of those of other prices, so a Vodka sets you back about 70 Hryna which is on the high end, and the girls are very much into champagne which can cost 1,000 or above.

Things weren't going as well as I had hoped, the only club that I found open, did not stay open for long so I thought I would check Golden Rhino, also within the Arena complex, when I arrived I was one of 3 customers, with about 5 girls dancing, one of the girl had a particularly great figure so when the special offer for a private dance came up, price reduced by half from 400 hryvna to 200 hryvna I thought I would take up the offer.

Within an hour or two of my arrival, the place got somewhat much busier, and having 5 girls shared between some 15 customers was not ideal, because one could barely talk to any as they were either dancing or in a private dance. One of the girls told me that they had not expected so many visitors, so the management had only asked for 5 of the girls to go to work. I would guess as was my case, with Solid Gold being closed, everyone was instead coming to the Golden Rhino.

If it was not for the fact that all the good clubs were closed, Solid gold is not a place I would visit again, for a start anything you buy for the girls are inflated to double or triple the normal price, so a glass of fresh juice sets you back about 200 hryna or $20, and before I knew it, I had spent 1, 000 hryna on drinks.

Solid gold does not allow take out, I stayed at the place until it closed, for no other reason than that my options were pretty limited, and the 5 girls that were there when I arrived were also there at 5am, so I do not think they make any exceptions, I guess one could ask the girl to join them after the clubs closes at 6am, but there is a good chance that she will fall asleep before you end the first session.

On Sunday I thought I would give Penthouse a go, I had been there about a year ago only for a short time so I thought I would give the place a try before going to Solid Gold, Penthouse is a small place, on arrival you are met by this little man who runs the lift, which in fact is not a lift at all, just shakes to make you believe that you are going up some 70 floors, or that what the level display says!

On arrival there was no one else and some 10 girls dancing, most were below 5 but a couple stood out, and since there was little competition I got talking to one of the girls who I eventually took out. Penthouse has a crazy menu and it includes the take out price of 2, 700 hryvna for 3 hours, they also have a room you can rent but if memory serves me correct, the price was 2,400 for 40 minutes, which is not such a good deal, although convenient.

Given the choice I would not visit Solid Gold, Penthouse or Golden Rhino again, it was only out of desperation, the standard of girls was OK, but that was not the real issue, it's the fact that the girls are pushy, and continuously try to up-sell themselves, which can become very annoying.

I think and I stand to be corrected here, places like Rio do pay the girls a salary, maybe not much but enough not to feel the need to sell themselves all the time, or they go home worst off than when they arrived. So it is very understandable where bar owners do not pay the girls at all, that the girls have no other choice to but try to make some money before the end of the day.

I think this is sheer exploitation, both from the girls and customers' point of view, the only person that benefits here are the owners, because if business is quite, their overheads are negligible. For this reason I will never visit any of these clubs again partly out of principle but as importantly, I do not want to continuously be pestered by every girl on the floor, many of which I have no interest in, or to pay a premium for a girls drink. I have no problem paying the girls a fair price, but being ripped of is not my idea of spending a good evening.

Monday things go back to normal, I understand the clubs will again be open tonight, and although it is great to visit these places with practically no competition from other punters, the fact is that if these places loose lots of customers, they will eventually close which is of no benefit to anyone.

Sorbonne
04-21-14, 06:59
Paid a trip to the Dolly Salon today. Kiev, Str. Pushkinskaya 9&1041; (+38).067-408-24-97. The receptionist speaks English so fret not. It is located in an apartment building off the street so you need to walk to the back through the archway. Look for the building that reads 9&1041; and then walk into the big yellow wooden doors and up to the second floor and turn left when you step on the landing. You will be looking right at their door. Number 62 if I remember correctly. There are no markings to indicate it is not a regular apartment but once inside it is obvious what it is. Five girls to choose from. I chose the curvaceous redhead named Sonja. Thats right gents, a beautiful buxom Russian redhead named Sonja. I almost lost it before I got into the room. The interior was clean and cozy and inviting. Shower for before and after. Tasty candies to choose also. Sonja was perfect. She is a student earning spending money, not a pro. Beautiful red hair and creamy white skin. Perfect natural breasts and the touch of an angel. I chose the basic erotic massage for one hour only 350hrn. Very good prices compared to the other salons. Would highly recommend.To each his own, but at Dolly "Kiss Massage" for 450 UAH is better recommended.

Member #4491
04-22-14, 00:26
To each his own, but at Dolly "Kiss Massage" for 450 UAH is better recommended.Why is that? I rarely go for massage, and never in UA so far. But there will always be a first, and then it is good to know why I order "Kiss Massage".

B

Sorbonne
04-22-14, 07:18
Why is that? I rarely go for massage, and never in UA so far. But there will always be a first, and then it is good to know why I order "Kiss Massage".

BWell, I would say with kiss massage they use tongues, which could possibly leads to things more intimate.

It's only 100 UAH more. Try them both, and compare and contrast.

Member #4491
04-22-14, 23:27
Well, I would say with kiss massage they use tongues, which could possibly leads to things more intimate.

It's only 100 UAH more. Try them both, and compare and contrast.Sounds intimate and absolutely a plus compared to just hands. Will try this some time.

Thank you,

B

Priamos
04-23-14, 05:40
I made my first experience with mamba last week during a business trip to Kiev. I don't usualy like these matchmaking sites (I prefer to prowl in bars, etc.) but I was surrounded by colleagues so had to be discrete. I had prepared myself some weeks ahead, writing to dozens of women. Some didn't look for sponsors, some demanded prices comparable with western Europe. I ended up with a short-list of four candidates. One of them kept writing me to remind me that we had a "date". In my limited experience this is a good sign. Pushiness among street walkers is a warning light, but on a dating site it normally means she's motivated. So, I agreed to meet with Carina, a 24 yo student from West Ukraine (the age and homestead I can confirm, because I caught a sneak view of her identity papers) in my hotel. She speaks excellent English. The agreed price was 200 dollars for an afternoon.

Two days before our meeting I got yet another nervous email from Carina checking whether I was really, really coming. I decided to exploit what is clearly right now a "buyers market" and asked if sshe'd throw in anal sex as part of the package. She quickly answered that she'd be glad to do that for me. Carina arrived without a minute's delay to my hotel. Only problem was that the hotel staff (we're speaking Radisson Blu) demanded both a print of her passport and that I vouch for her to allow her to my room. So it was a tad embarassing. Once in my room I told Carina that since I had added anal to the package we could say 200E instead of dollars. She was over the moon, so there's no doubt I overpaid. That said, she was a very attractive girl, with a faux innocent look that would have made her fortune in a strip joint if she hadn't carried an excess 5-6 kilos around her waist and hips.

In bed she was very, very versatile. Deep slubbering kisses followed by deep slubbering BBBJ. Sex in all positions with no complaints about fatigue, even as the fucking got more and more drawn out (thank god for the little blue pills). Anal too was in all positions, including with her legs around my neck to allow maximum penetration. After a couple of hours I thought that I'd had it and we'd better call it a day. Carina had other ideas. She told me to lie back and she'd bring me to a new heigh with her mouth. This she did, more enthousiastically than ever, although I wonder where she found the energy after multiple pops. I exploded in her mouth, then gesticulated toward the bathroom. She looked puzzled and said "I don't need to spit, darling. I've swallowed it already".

So, all in all a very good service. I cannot call it GFE, because Carina liked to make smoking and SMS pauses between the action, during which she wore a "don't disturb me" look. So it was clearly business. But still, a very good service and good value for money.

Jojosun
04-23-14, 13:43
I rarely go for massage, and never in UA so far. But there will always be a first, and then it is good to know why I order "Kiss Massage".

BHi Barba,

Trust me Massage girls if you have the time are the hidden gems not just in Kiev but in Dontesk as well. Far better deal than a lot of Strippers & jaded Bar Girls.

There was one amazing girl with incredible figure, a uni student who brought me to such climax using her oiled body especially with her Ass. BTW few of them will meet you on their own, if they like you.

Will check her number and if she responds, will PM you as you are a trusted old pal.

Cheers

Member #4491
04-24-14, 00:26
Hi Barba,

Will check her number and if she responds, will PM you as you are a trusted old pal.

CheersDuly noted and much appreciated, my friend.

I fly in next week. Way more to juggle than I will have time for as always, but my neck could actually do with a massage. And knowing myself, my balls will be ready for some treatment about 4 minutes into the massage.

Great to read about Carina, Priamos. Good girl, and you made her week with 200 EUR.

B.

Uncle Volodya
04-24-14, 05:13
Hi guys I am in Kiev now. Me and my buddy tried to find the place last night, with no luck. I am not so sure about the address provided here "9&1041". It doesn't sound right. And their website is down (it was up a couple of days ago and I could access it from Moscow). No answer when we called the number. Does anyone have any info on this place? Is it still open?


Paid a trip to the Dolly Salon today. Kiev, Str. Pushkinskaya 9&1041; (+38).067-408-24-97. The receptionist speaks English so fret not. It is located in an apartment building off the street so you need to walk to the back through the archway. Look for the building that reads 9&1041; and then walk into the big yellow wooden doors and up to the second floor and turn left when you step on the landing. You will be looking right at their door. Number 62 if I remember correctly. There are no markings to indicate it is not a regular apartment but once inside it is obvious what it is. Five girls to choose from. I chose the curvaceous redhead named Sonja. Thats right gents, a beautiful buxom Russian redhead named Sonja. I almost lost it before I got into the room. The interior was clean and cozy and inviting. Shower for before and after. Tasty candies to choose also. Sonja was perfect. She is a student earning spending money, not a pro. Beautiful red hair and creamy white skin. Perfect natural breasts and the touch of an angel. I chose the basic erotic massage for one hour only 350hrn. Very good prices compared to the other salons. Would highly recommend.

Russel4339
04-24-14, 11:44
Trust me Massage girls if you have the time are the hidden gems not just in Kiev but in Dontesk as well. Far better deal than a lot of Strippers & jaded Bar Girls.I totally agree with the comment on Massage girls. Anytime I go to Kiev, that is where I go. There are numerous solons around the city center. Any good Kiev map will have advertisements around the border for massage salons. The prices are all about the same and the service has always been fair to good. (The two girl massage. My preference. Most have at least one or two fair English speakers.

This works in Kharkov also. In Kharkov, they are not so easy to find. If you visiit Kharkov. Look here for a list of salons: http://mini-house.kh.ua

Gentleman Travel
04-24-14, 14:50
Could not agree more. Offer your sponsorship money to someone that deserves it. There are so many sweet and pretty devotchkas in Ukraine, so the cunts asking for thousands of dollars are totally useless. Do you have the URL to the 7K USD girl? Would be fun to see who it is.

BSure, http://www.mamba.ru/mb1081061124?hit=3

She's cute enough, but nothing out of this world.

Probably worth paying for, but no one is worth $7, 000 per month.

I have set $1000 per month as my maximum for sponsorship.

And if I cannot find the right girl for that amount, I will just stick with GFs and occasional nightly P4P.

I remember now why I stopped using Mamba.

TexasMorrell
04-24-14, 17:07
Hi guys I am in Kiev now. Me and my buddy tried to find the place last night, with no luck. I am not so sure about the address provided here "9&1041". It doesn't sound right. And their website is down (it was up a couple of days ago and I could access it from Moscow). No answer when we called the number. Does anyone have any info on this place? Is it still open?Oh yes its open. I have been every day for the past week. The address is 9B Pushkinskaya. Just look for the building marked with a 9 on Pushinskaya and then look for the access port to walk to the back where building B is located. Walk into the big yellow wooden door and up to the 2nd floor Apt. 62 and ring the door bell. Call to make an appt first. They don't like it when you show up unannounced. I got schooled the other day. Avoid Yulia, I tried her last night and she really needs to find another line of work. She obviously does not enjoy what she does. The number is +380 (67) 4082497. You can text this number also and the big boss Natasha will answer very quickly.

You69Me
04-24-14, 17:21
Hi everybody,

In and from the Ukraine.

I would like to know what the general situation is.

Which is the best mongering area.

Where to find a nice and clean furnished apartment or hotel.


Oh yes its open. I have been every day for the past week. The address is 9B Pushkinskaya. Just look for the building marked with a 9 on Pushinskaya and then look for the access port to walk to the back where building B is located. Walk into the big yellow wooden door and up to the 2nd floor Apt. 62 and ring the door bell. Call to make an appt first. They don't like it when you show up unannounced. I got schooled the other day. Avoid Yulia, I tried her last night and she really needs to find another line of work. She obviously does not enjoy what she does. The number is +380 (67) 4082497. You can text this number also and the big boss Natasha will answer very quickly.

How14
04-24-14, 19:24
Hi guys I am in Kiev now. Me and my buddy tried to find the place last night, with no luck. I am not so sure about the address provided here "9&1041". It doesn't sound right. And their website is down (it was up a couple of days ago and I could access it from Moscow). No answer when we called the number. Does anyone have any info on this place? Is it still open?Imagine you are crossing Kreshatik from say Macdonalds, cross the road and head toward the big department store on the corner, walk up the hill, you will have metro teatraina on your left, turn right onto pushkinskaya street, you will go up a steady incline, you will come to a bar / restaurant on your right, with an archway leading into a courtyard, just walk through that and follow the other instructions put here for door number etc, I think its one of the best salons in Kiev and I've been to a few, I've turned up there at 4am in the morning and been seen to by stunning young girls eager to please, if you live close enough to kreshatyk they will come to your apartment for no extra cost. Even if say your apartment was in podil area they only charge basic taxi price.

How14
04-24-14, 19:34
Oh yes its open. I have been every day for the past week. The address is 9B Pushkinskaya. Just look for the building marked with a 9 on Pushinskaya and then look for the access port to walk to the back where building B is located. Walk into the big yellow wooden door and up to the 2nd floor Apt. 62 and ring the door bell. Call to make an appt first. They don't like it when you show up unannounced. I got schooled the other day. Avoid Yulia, I tried her last night and she really needs to find another line of work. She obviously does not enjoy what she does. The number is +380 (67) 4082497. You can text this number also and the big boss Natasha will answer very quickly.Good advice, avoid that Yulia girl like the plague. Proper fucking attitude she has, because the first time I seen her I hit her in the face with a boatload of pineapple chunk she moaned on and asked for extra money for the mess I'd made. I went to salon Dolly again and she was only one avail, she insisted I wore a condom for the hand finish, I totally refused. Long story but I spoke with the manager who gave me another girl for the finish.

Member #4491
04-25-14, 00:16
Sure,

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1081061124?hit=3600 UAH. Not a gremlin more.

Uncle Volodya
04-25-14, 06:17
Oh yes its open. I have been every day for the past week. The address is 9B Pushkinskaya. Just look for the building marked with a 9 on Pushinskaya and then look for the access port to walk to the back where building B is located. Walk into the big yellow wooden door and up to the 2nd floor Apt. 62 and ring the door bell. Call to make an appt first. They don't like it when you show up unannounced. I got schooled the other day. Avoid Yulia, I tried her last night and she really needs to find another line of work. She obviously does not enjoy what she does. The number is +380 (67) 4082497. You can text this number also and the big boss Natasha will answer very quickly.Thanks so much guys fro the quick reply with the directions!

We gave it another crack yesterday afternoon (before reading your replies) as we are staying in the area. We found it pretty easily. 3 girls there, Yulia (who is very cute) and 2 fuglies. So we decided to pass. Searched the internet and called around to two other spots. One, Allure, turned out to be the same place as they gave us Pushkinskaya 9B as their address.

We went with Imperia: http://www.imperia-mas.kiev.ua/en/nashi-devushki/

We thought it was a salon like Dolly / Allure, but it works differently, when you call you get a dispatcher and they set you up with the girls, who are waiting for you at different apartments throughout the city (or so we gather).

When we showed up at the address they gave us there was only one girl (I think they thought I was alone). Mila form the website, very cute and sweet, but no English. OK as I speak Russian. Her pic on the site is pretty accurate. She is cuter in person. Petite and very young looking. I went off to the room and they set up my buddy with a girl Marina (pics not on site). A little older but also cute, brunet with curvy body. He only had to wait about 15 minutes.

Very pleasant session in the room. No kissing, but she did give a nice massage with HJ and tit job. Yu can fondle her but tits and butt, but not her pussy or asshole. Very sweet. She liked lying on top of me and being fondled. Which was nice. We also had a nice cuddled after I came. Honest about the time keeping and gave the full hr. No pressure to get going after you cum. 550 GRV damage all in all.

Buddy also satisfied as well with his girl. Very good experience for little money! I'd definitely recommend.

We will give Dolly another try today but may just end up calling Imperia to see if the girls will come to our apartment.

Stay horny my friends...

Uncle V

LoverboyJerico
04-25-14, 07:15
Is it only massage or they provide sex also in the end?


Went to Relax Massage (google for directions).

- Very clean and nice place.

- Very friendly staff.

- Prices exactly according price-list on their website.

- Free WiFi.

- Had 3 girls to choose from, all of them very pretty.

- Chose "Lana". Turned out to be a perfect choice!

- Very very beautiful girl, beautiful eyes, perfect body with beautiful tits, perfectly soft skin.

- She speaks a little bit of English, had a nice conversation.

- Great oil massage, after flip-over a wonderful (!) erotic massage.

Overall. Had a great time!

PS: No cards accepted, ATM at the Premier Palace Hotel just around the corner.

Sorbonne
04-25-14, 10:30
Oh yes its open. I have been every day for the past week. The address is 9B Pushkinskaya. Just look for the building marked with a 9 on Pushinskaya and then look for the access port to walk to the back where building B is located. Walk into the big yellow wooden door and up to the 2nd floor Apt. 62 and ring the door bell. Call to make an appt first. They don't like it when you show up unannounced. I got schooled the other day. Avoid Yulia, I tried her last night and she really needs to find another line of work. She obviously does not enjoy what she does. The number is +380 (67) 4082497. You can text this number also and the big boss Natasha will answer very quickly.Why do you call Natasha at Dolly the big boss? I haven't seen her for a while, but has she gained a lot of weight?

Russel4339
04-25-14, 13:42
Is it only massage or they provide sex also in the end?Not sure about Relax, but most salons that I have been to will offer full service if you ask.

Muddy7
04-25-14, 16:35
US starts issuing ten-year visas to Ukrainians.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/us-starts-issuing-ten-year-visas-to-ukrainians-345166.html

Epicurus
04-25-14, 17:24
I have been to three massage salons now. And I concur, the girls I have met were all lovely and friendly. I don't know exactly why, but this time most of the girls I have been with have all been very lovely and kind, real GFE. And most of them have offered me their phonenumber (including the escort girls I have called, I've tried 3, one looked exactly like the pic, one looked nothing like it and looked a lot worse and the other also looked nothing like the pic, but better) , some without me asking, and all telling me not to tell the agency / despatcher / administrator. Maybe it's because of the current situation in Ukraine, and they want to make more money on the side, or (and I prefer to believe this ofcourse) they aren't really professional and really liked me. But the last time I was in Kiev, they weren't like this.

Also met two non-pro girls from mamba, but no sex yet with them. Although I had a great time because of their company and they didn't go overboard with ordering food and drinks.

Maybe a tip, go to a manicurist and hairdresser. Many of the girls complimented me on this, or perhaps they felt they had to compliment in turn after the compliments I made. And like others already mentioned nice shoes (italian and no sneakers) and a nice watch do make a good impression, at least I get a lot of compliments from the girls and I notice girls (and men) on the street and in cafes staring at my shoes and watch.

I called two of those girls from the massage salon back, went for dinner, got a massage, but didn't make an offer to have sex with them, because I respected them telling me that they don't want to have sex yet, and now they don't seem that interested in me anymore. Going to try a different approach with the third one.

Maybe, also because I didn't give them money for the massage and only paid for the dinner. They say they want to see me again, but that for now they are busy, while at first they all wanted to make time for me.

Maybe not much of a report when I read what I just wrote, but what the heck, I will post it.

Leggio1
04-25-14, 19:57
US starts issuing ten-year visas to Ukrainians.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/us-starts-issuing-ten-year-visas-to-ukrainians-345166.htmlMeans nothing. Poor hotties will still not be able to secure a visa.

TexasMorrell
04-26-14, 03:11
Why do you call Natasha at Dolly the big boss? I haven't seen her for a while, but has she gained a lot of weight?No I did not mean big as in large I meant she is the main person in charge. I have never seen her because she works out of her home by phone.

TexasMorrell
04-26-14, 03:19
Good advice, avoid that Yulia girl like the plague. Proper fucking attitude she has, because the first time I seen her I hit her in the face with a boatload of pineapple chunk she moaned on and asked for extra money for the mess I'd made. I went to salon Dolly again and she was only one avail, she insisted I wore a condom for the hand finish, I totally refused. Long story but I spoke with the manager who gave me another girl for the finish.Yes Yulia does not have her heart in it. Her attitude is very poor. I also had to almost ask for another girl to finish me off because she just could not do it. She was very mechanical and had no idea what feels good to a man. I have never had a girl yank on my crank so long without producing the baby batter. It was almost traumatizing to my little friend.

On a side note I called one of my hookups from Relax and asked her to my hotel for some side work. Awesome body and attitude to match. If anyone is interested PM me and I will get you her number. I gave her 500 hrn for the hour because she is worth it.

Something to keep in mind that I learned from several of the girls. The salons keep 70% of the take so keep that in mind when it is time to tip these girls at the end.

Member #4274
04-30-14, 01:43
Was out last Saturday evening walking around my neighborhood at Akademmistechko with the university student I am banging and observed some definite street walker action. My girlfriend didn't notice it but my experienced eyes recognized it immediately. In and around the metro station. Definitely not top notch talent but most certainly cheap and available. Just moments ago I was enjoying a glass of cognac and looking out my window at Novus across the street. I watched a rather scantily clad woman standing near the Novus looking very available. On occasion she spoke with a mystery figure sitting in a tinted window car near her. Finally a car sped to where she was standing and after a very brief conversation she got in and they disappeared soon after. Akademmistechko is a popular place for truckers entering Kyiv to stop and get some rest. No doubt she is offering her services to these men.

Member #4274
04-30-14, 11:48
I have the benefit of some inside information from an American contact here in Kyiv. He sends me warnings from time to time that come to him from various sources. He has been startlingly correct on occasion. He sent me this warning minutes ago:

"Just wanted to let you know. Be extra aware of your surroundings. I've heard from some friends (journalists and Maidan folks) that there are a lot of "tourists" in town. They started arriving Sunday evening and are staying in shitty apartments and soviet style "hostels". All men. Your area has some housing where they could be staying, so be careful."

When I asked what was the reason for their visit:

"To stir shit up and terrorize the population. There will likely be some fake marches over the weekend / fake protests and you might see some more (fake) neo-Nazis coming up out of the woodwork too."

Keep safe, fellow mongers in Kyiv!

CastOnThis
04-30-14, 12:23
Guys,

Is it safe to stay near the center in an apartment?

Laboratornyi Ln or Shulyavs'ka street, anything you guys can tell me? Is it safe to be near the center?

I'm not going till the fall, but already making plans or trying to.

Muddy7
04-30-14, 14:15
I have the benefit of some inside information from an American contact here in Kyiv. He sends me warnings from time to time that come to him from various sources. He has been startlingly correct on occasion. He sent me this warning minutes ago:

"Just wanted to let you know. Be extra aware of your surroundings. I've heard from some friends (journalists and Maidan folks) that there are a lot of "tourists" in town. They started arriving Sunday evening and are staying in shitty apartments and soviet style "hostels". All men. Your area has some housing where they could be staying, so be careful."

When I asked what was the reason for their visit:

"To stir shit up and terrorize the population. There will likely be some fake marches over the weekend / fake protests and you might see some more (fake) neo-Nazis coming up out of the woodwork too."

Keep safe, fellow mongers in Kyiv!Clashes break out near Independence Square in Kiev

http://www.news-republic.com/Web/ArticleWeb.aspx?regionid=3&articleid=22364592

National Security official believes Maidan brawl ordered by Russian special services.

http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/04/30/national-security-official-believes-maidan-brawl-ordered-by-russian-special-services/

The Mercy Seat
04-30-14, 17:46
Hi everyone!

I am going back to Kiev in June and are looking for some nice girls to meet. Since I have had a girlfriend there for over a year, I am a little bit out of the game. So if anyone has some nice girls (that they don't use anymore or like to share) , it is very welcome. I prefer student and GFE type girls. But all is welcome. The only thing is that they need to speak English. Sadly I don't have any contacts in return.

So if anyone wants to help, give me a pm.

Yours sincerely,

The Mercy Seat!

Member #4274
04-30-14, 23:33
My American contact has sent me further warnings. He's a reliable guy and quite adamant:

"By the way, about to get to bed here in a minute, but you need to be super fucking careful this next week. Got some very disturbing news from three embassies today."

And.

" Just watch where you are and DO NOT GO DOWNTOWN. It may be a false alarm, but it doesn't sound like it."

Once again, be careful out there mongers.

Muddy7
05-01-14, 05:34
My American contact has sent me further warnings. He's a reliable guy and quite adamant:

"By the way, about to get to bed here in a minute, but you need to be super fucking careful this next week. Got some very disturbing news from three embassies today."

And.

" Just watch where you are and DO NOT GO DOWNTOWN. It may be a false alarm, but it doesn't sound like it."

Once again, be careful out there mongers.Damn, my buddy was planning to travel to Kiev on may 14 for 3 weeks, had bought tickets and rented a flat downtown already, elections are coming up so its going to get worse

Misc123
05-01-14, 12:27
Hi CB and others already in Kiev. Are the bankomats working alright? Can you withdraw up to your daily limit or is there a bankomat imposed limit depending on bank?

Let us know.

Ciao.

Misc.


My American contact has sent me further warnings. He's a reliable guy and quite adamant:

"By the way, about to get to bed here in a minute, but you need to be super fucking careful this next week. Got some very disturbing news from three embassies today."

And.

" Just watch where you are and DO NOT GO DOWNTOWN. It may be a false alarm, but it doesn't sound like it."

Once again, be careful out there mongers.

Irish Lad
05-01-14, 14:48
Hi CB and others already in Kiev. Are the bankomats working alright? Can you withdraw up to your daily limit or is there a bankomat imposed limit depending on bank?

Let us know.

Ciao.

Misc.The ATMs are working almost alright. Some don't accept Mastercard and other nuances but it should be ok if you don't mind trying 2-3 of them.

Uke Boy
05-01-14, 18:04
Hi CB and others already in Kiev. Are the bankomats working alright? Can you withdraw up to your daily limit or is there a bankomat imposed limit depending on bank?ATMs work but depending on the bank, they do limit your withdrawal. Raiffeisen Aval Bank has a maximum of 1, 000 grivna, per card per day, no money at all, if you look at a rate of 11. 20 grivna to the dollar which is the city-wide exchange rate today.

Sberbank Rossii allows 4, 000 grivna per day per card, a whole lot better.

As Irish Lad said, you may have to go to several banks as well as use several cards to get what you need.

Credit cards work normally but not all places take cards.

Good luck.

CastOnThis
05-01-14, 20:59
Is exchanging large amounts of cash not a good idea?

Migu78
05-01-14, 21:02
Hi mongers,

Usually I just benefit by reading cause I am not this kind of guy who is good in writing reports, sorry.

But this time I really felt its necessary not to keep an experience for me.

I always felt safe in Kyiv and I still think if you keep an eye open its not a problem to visit Ukraine (especially the capitol city)

But some days ago my friend was hijacked by a taxi driver. He was driving him to some dark place and suddenly stopped the car. Then he threatened him and beat him by saying the words "European go home. You fuck our girls and kill our country"

And this was not the first time since last weeks I recognized anti-foreign behavior on the streets. I just managed the situation always cause I speak ukrainian and Russian language too.

Anyway: development is shocking.

Sorbonne
05-02-14, 09:10
Hi mongers,

Usually I just benefit by reading cause I am not this kind of guy who is good in writing reports, sorry.

But this time I really felt its necessary not to keep an experience for me.

I always felt safe in Kyiv and I still think if you keep an eye open its not a problem to visit Ukraine (especially the capitol city)

But some days ago my friend was hijacked by a taxi driver. He was driving him to some dark place and suddenly stopped the car. Then he threatened him and beat him by saying the words "European go home. You fuck our girls and kill our country"

And this was not the first time since last weeks I recognized anti-foreign behavior on the streets. I just managed the situation always cause I speak ukrainian and Russian language too.

Anyway: development is shocking.I have to wonder where this "anti-foreign behavior" comes from in Kiev. UN (IMF) , EU, and USA are giving Ukraine something like $32B. Shouldn't they be thankful to foreigners instead? Or are they agitated Russians in Kiev who are hostile against foreigners?

YellowPaul
05-02-14, 13:53
Hi mongers,

Usually I just benefit by reading cause I am not this kind of guy who is good in writing reports, sorry.

But this time I really felt its necessary not to keep an experience for me.

I always felt safe in Kyiv and I still think if you keep an eye open its not a problem to visit Ukraine (especially the capitol city)

But some days ago my friend was hijacked by a taxi driver. He was driving him to some dark place and suddenly stopped the car. Then he threatened him and beat him by saying the words "European go home. You fuck our girls and kill our country"

And this was not the first time since last weeks I recognized anti-foreign behavior on the streets. I just managed the situation always cause I speak ukrainian and Russian language too.

Anyway: development is shocking.Thanks for the update as I'm rethinking my plans for Kiev. I think city is best left to mongers that can pass as locals and can speak the language. I had my previous bad experience there last Sept, so I think it's better to try new places or fly out a girl for a inexpensive vacation.

Leggio1
05-02-14, 15:28
Is Kiev over?

Misc123
05-02-14, 16:43
Spasibo Ukeboy, Irish Lad for the info.

Yes as election approaches situation worsens. Odessa 1 dead today in center. Kiev too may become a battle zone.

And this may go on even after election.

Ciao.

Misc.


ATMs work but depending on the bank, they do limit your withdrawal. Raiffeisen Aval Bank has a maximum of 1, 000 grivna, per card per day, no money at all, if you look at a rate of 11. 20 grivna to the dollar which is the city-wide exchange rate today.

Sberbank Rossii allows 4, 000 grivna per day per card, a whole lot better.

As Irish Lad said, you may have to go to several banks as well as use several cards to get what you need.

Credit cards work normally but not all places take cards.

Good luck.

Misc123
05-02-14, 16:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_DPYHc67eU

1 dead in odessa today.

Ciao.

Misc

Uke Boy
05-02-14, 20:07
I have to wonder where this "anti-foreign behavior" comes from in Kiev. UN (IMF) , EU, and USA are giving Ukraine something like $32B. Shouldn't they be thankful to foreigners instead? Or are they agitated Russians in Kiev who are hostile against foreigners?While this should be in the "politics" forum Jackson created, I will reply here. Sorbonne, get this straight. Thankful for what? And so far less than 32B has been pledged and even this is still very much in doubt? And as for those generous folks from the USA, their total "investment" is all of a huge $1B in something known as "loan guarantees." This is a process that the government guarantees private-sector loans to Ukraine. My take is that 100% of that ends up stolen by corrupt government officials who, by the way, are still in their chairs. Real generous, aren't they?

All this money, which are LOANS that must be paid back at some point and nothing really is guaranteed, and is not a gift. To get this money, there will be real pain and suffering here, especially from the pensioners who can least afford this "generosity." Taxes will go up, gas, electricity and other utility rates will skyrocket as of this month, costs for medicines are doubling in many cases and food costs, in a country that should be self sufficient for food are steeply rising.

And, oh, yes, no increases in salaries, delayed salary payments and lay-offs all of which are now all happening. Unfortunately, worse is yet to come.

So are you in favor of killing off a large part of the population who should thank the US, IMF, EU and others for this "gift?"

Muddy7
05-02-14, 21:18
Thanks for the update as I'm rethinking my plans for Kiev. I think city is best left to mongers that can pass as locals and can speak the language. I had my previous bad experience there last Sept, so I think it's better to try new places or fly out a girl for a inexpensive vacation.What happend last sept?

mongers should form their own defense unit downtown?

"anti-foreign behavior" doesnt make any sense, they should welcome westerners with open arms foe causing the current situation in their country, all it took was 5 billion according to victoria nuland... i wonder how much this guy pocketed, he has a nice home, car, apple laptop, canon camera,... http://vk.com/parasuyk

Sorbonne
05-03-14, 01:08
While this should be in the "politics" forum Jackson created, I will reply here. Sorbonne, get this straight. Thankful for what? And so far less than 32B has been pledged and even this is still very much in doubt? And as for those generous folks from the USA, their total "investment" is all of a huge $1B in something known as "loan guarantees." This is a process that the government guarantees private-sector loans to Ukraine. My take is that 100% of that ends up stolen by corrupt government officials who, by the way, are still in their chairs. Real generous, aren't they?

All this money, which are LOANS that must be paid back at some point and nothing really is guaranteed, and is not a gift. To get this money, there will be real pain and suffering here, especially from the pensioners who can least afford this "generosity." Taxes will go up, gas, electricity and other utility rates will skyrocket as of this month, costs for medicines are doubling in many cases and food costs, in a country that should be self sufficient for food are steeply rising.

And, oh, yes, no increases in salaries, delayed salary payments and lay-offs all of which are now all happening. Unfortunately, worse is yet to come.

So are you in favor of killing off a large part of the population who should thank the US, IMF, EU and others for this "gift?"UK Boy,

Hmmm, it sounds like a personal attack, but that's ok.

Nonetheless, it's the new government'decision to take the loans, and why would they do it?

Because otherwise Ukraine would go bankrupt, which is far worse than what you just described.

Yes, sounds like there is no use to talk about politics here.

Protocol
05-03-14, 01:24
is kiev over?kiev is over.

after tonight. sitting with massively overweight fat girls trying to make conversation.

kiev is over.

well at least as i put in my previous post, the low hanging fruit is gone. i haven't seen any really gorgeous girls anywhere out. there are average attractive nice looking girls with their ukrainian boyfriends going to the hot spots that will probably deny you entrance because you are the wrong age, wrong face, wrong race, wrong language. foreigner not welcome. there is still no egalitarian attitude here. in us clubs you can jump the line if you're a hot girl or if you pay to reserve a table. but here, who wants to say pay $1,500 euros to reserve a table at the (defunct) dante park. really? how stupid is that in ukraine. (also how did that business model work out in the end? i guess not so good). basically you are welcome only if you are a smart looking corrupt scion of local oligarchy.

it steams me to no end to see these dumbasses charging covers and extracting minimums and you need to pay x dollars to sit there with their club is 98% empty. it should be: you are our only customer. you are god. you can sit in the throne. wherever you want. we will make you happy so you will call your friends and say this is awesome and we will build business. i went into star nosorog once and they had a ladies night with all male strippers and wanted to force me to pay 500 uah in order to sit down. what the hell kind of business logic is that. never did i ever see a club in canada or usa that ever did this kind of thing. you want to sit? then sit. you want the bar? sit at the bar. you want to drink? buy one. you don't? sit and enjoy the show. you want a dance, ask a girl? don't? nobody will bother you.

this is a gentleman's club. not a series of fights with pushy fat girls trying to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you. not the waitress coming to explain a menu that requires a degree in mathematics and logic in order to figure out the convoluted options that end up only in one thing anyway (you pay a lot of money and receive nothing). not girls demanding champagne when they sit down and bleeding you dry so you run out the door in 20 minutes.

just stupid. and sad. and so not worth it when there is nobody worthwhile to spend time with or watch dance.

so for you and me, probably there is not so much room anymore. mamba. just women in their 30s and 40s looking to get married, and have a father for their 3 children abandoned by their 3 ukrainian fathers. deal with anti-foreigner attitude which seems to be growing but is not completely obvious yet. or deal with fake profiles.

and always the dreaded question: why do you come to kiev? really, you people have a great and beautiful european capital that could be everything that any of the others are if you just believed in yourselves a bit. people can come to kiev because it's beautiful, the girls are beautiful, there is fun to be had, good food and things to see and do. why must you always hold this up as an accusation: why do you come to kiev? are you here on business? sigh. it's ok to like your city, it really is.

the girls i saw out at places like shooters, mostly looked like really close to post-soviet types, overweight, tacky clothing, bad hair and makeup. you can see them in bangkok at cm2, similar types of girls from uzbekistan and khazakstan. nobody i'd want to be seen with.

i think if you have extensive contacts from past trips or local presence you will always be ok because you can turn to your network. but if you are transient and hoping to meet someone, better off elsewhere. maybe dubai.

i just don't feel there is any bloom on this rose anymore. if you want to meet a beautiful ukrainian girl you should probably go to moscow now or london and have a lot, a lot, a lot of money and be prepared to lay out the red carpet for the princess. if you just want a nice country girl you will probably be able to find that in kiev with extensive work, but that's the same anywhere in the world. and what is the cost of your time?

also your personal standards in this matter. mine are high. mine were set high based on what i experienced in kiev 3 years ago though. used to be wow. now it's omg wut.

i am kind of disappointed in general on this trip, not seeing any nice girls even in the strip clubs, just to watch. just fat girls all over the place. it's not what i think is normal for ukraine, so many massive bodies. ukrainian strip clubs with fat girls? that concept blows my mind. i remember my first visit, drunk, to millenium about 3 years ago which was never even a good club and my mind was blown at the gorgeous athletic bodies everyone had.

fat in mint rhino. fat in solid gold. fat in star rhino. fat in rio. dolls is still immune to this stream of fat girls invading the strip clubs.

the downward slide started in the last two years with propositions in clubs going from $300 from a stunning girl to $500 from an ugly girl. now on mamba multiple times mediocre girls have propositioned me at $1500. i just laugh at that. privately this was also offered to me for a very pretty girl for a day. but i don't want to break my mind on entertaining someone for a day while paying them a $1500 salary. no matter how pretty. my day is worth more to me than that. i don't have the time or the words to expend on trying to keep them happy, and i know that's what it will be. it will be a day spent with a mopey hard to please girl who will want to go to a bunch of high end clubs and shopping and bullshit and do her best to avoid being a temporary girlfriend, but will just try to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) my wallet.

who. needs. that.

anyway in the strip clubs, the beauties are now gone. kaput. over. where they went, i don't know but they are not here. maybe 1 in 15 in a strip club. i never saw a more beautiful girl in the last year in kiev or moscow or st. petersburg than what i saw in a visit to new york one one night at one single strip club. of course in the nyc strip club they were all russian and ukrainian girls. you can see them in las vegas too. even my friends have bailed the hell out of ukraine, why fix the problems at home when you can get a visa and get the hell out. so i tell my ukrainian friends "i'm in kiev" and they ask me how it is. so here i am reporting back to them about what is going on in their own country.

on the street i don't know and in high end clubs i don't know. but in high end clubs, the demands are about the same as you would expect in miami or new york anyway. i will try say d'lux tomorrow and i fully expect some average girl to suggest $1000 to me. i would in turn ask, who is paying, me, or you? because if you are paying, i am so down with that.

i promise to ask this tomorrow. who is paying. i could use some cash too.

in the end, what's the point here? if you have a few million to kick around to impress princesses in monaco and milano and new york, you don't need to come to kiev with all its problems to do so. if you want to be one of these sultans who sets up a $3 million or $5 million flat to impress the girls you can impress them. but more and more they are a string of slightly above average country girls come to the big city with bad hair and clothes. nice bodies but as soon as they get a taste of anything related to western diet they are doomed and so you are doomed too. you will be adopting a daughter who can't run her own life, who if you travel with her she will do something like leave all her cash sitting out in the open for the housekeeper to steal. then she will be confused as to why that happened and you will forever be fixing and dealing with her little mistakes. because you adopted a clueless daughter that needs everything spoon fed to her like she's 3 years old.

and if you do travel with her, the first time anywhere her mind will be blown.

the second time she will have special requests.

the third time she will be pissed off that you didn't book the presidential suite at the armani hotel in dubai and fly her in with the private jet so she can instagram it to all her friends to make them jealous. they are extremely fast, the ukrainian girls, at adopting to positive economic changes.

i had a girl whine and ***** and moan about being at one of the best five star resorts in maldives because it was a beach villa instead of an over water villa. over water villas are for rookies who think it's cool, then end up in a small place that has no sun in the afternoon and have to walk a mile to get to a place where they can swim or sun or eat. beach villas are great, open the door, stroll into the water and enjoy. bigger, costs less, better experience. but don't tell that to your spoiled ukrainian girl you just ruined her instagram account because she told all her friends she would be in maldives and there's an expectation then from her fanbase about what kinds of pictures she will be posting.

so really your plan must be to first make about $100 million dollars, then buy your $5 million flat in kiev to impress the girls, keep around about $2 million in cars, and make sure you have prestige access to all clubs where you must spend thousands per night to keep her and her friends entertained. and then budget money to deal with their fuckups. they want cars and education and travel and the expenses are never ending. and during this process you convert the girl from a nice fit pretty country girl into a fat spoiled idiot with constant demands including "where are you, what are you doing, who are you seeing?"

is it ever worth that? to do it right?

i don't think so.

for me, i think in the future i'll just go to new york or london. enjoy seeing some truly beautiful girls who left their bullshit countries behind. and not do so worrying about people in the streets with clubs coming after me or what putin feels like doing tomorrow with his new toy.

and nobody will cheat me a single penny in either city. and at the end of the day it will cost the same and i won't be jet lagged.

i think kiev is off the list for me.

this has really been different from my first visit to kiev, where i landed in the airport and almost broke my neck snapping it around wondering why there was a model convention going on in this airport. now it's just another city. sorry to say, but it's how i feel about kiev now.

i hope i'm wrong and this is just a negative reaction.

but i think the first toll of the bell was the river palace going down. before my time.

the second toll of the bell was the turks invading buddha bar and buddha bar chasing the girls out. the detritus left over demanding $500 as the premium for being the only 2-3 females in a sea of 100 turks.

the third toll of the bell was rang by vladimir putin and represents the end of the country. so, these changes will be permanent. ukrainians will flee to better lives if they can get them because their existing lives are going to be a new level of shit that will be unprecedented. or they will join russia.

either way, it's already done. that bell rings three times and cannot unring.

kiev is over.

Protocol
05-03-14, 01:37
It's more like 40 or 50 now overnight.

Not on a list of reasonable places to visit at this point.

That whole circle of southeast should be off the list of any reasonable person who cannot deal with everything on the same level as a local. And when the locals are bailing out because it's too fucked up, that should tell you something about your own plans.

Muddy7
05-03-14, 02:58
odessa >> http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/05/03/odessa-am-2-mai-2014-foto-video/

kiev is still alright


It's more like 40 or 50 now overnight.

Not on a list of reasonable places to visit at this point.

That whole circle of southeast should be off the list of any reasonable person who cannot deal with everything on the same level as a local. And when the locals are bailing out because it's too fucked up, that should tell you something about your own plans.

Carlos Primeros
05-03-14, 05:40
Protocol. You are very much right so.

I was doing business in Kiev from 1990 onward. In the 1990s everything moved upwards. People had been eager to make business, earn some money within reasons and tried to keep you happy. During the last 10 years the attitude changed considerably. Everybody is corrupt and tries to squeeze the last penny out of you. What is the result? No business anymore and they try every dumbass to bleed him dry.

You are rigth. The Russians are comming and they finish the Ukraine off. Kiev is a nice city but that will be over soon. I am glad I sit in Lisbon and do not have to contend with this shit anymore.

Carlos Primeros

Raisonable
05-03-14, 06:16
Hello,

First off all I want to say that despite the events I feel incredibly safe in that city.

Took some 30 min walks at night and felt safe.

Also It seems that I look local as everybody tried to adress to me in the local language.

For the first night Thursday went to shooters around 12pm.

Lot of really good looking girls. They were smilling, dancing, a real pleasure for the eyes.

Boys / girls ratio was good.

Not sure they are pro or semi pro. Saw some guys talk to girls around and went rejected.

Most of the girls went home alone so did the guys.

Then I took a cab to Rio was 4h38 they told me that they will close in 20 minutes, so I left. So I decided to walk home.

So first night had a lot of vodka burn (less than 3 euro) , a chicha (really sweet, expensive compare to the price of the drinks 14 euro, I went down at shooters in order to get some rest) , gave some tips took a cab. Lot of fun for less than 50 euro.

Friday was an other story.

Went back to Shooters, with in the mind to make some moves (I have absolutly no game but I am a sweet guy and I am good at reading people so I can avoid shark, monney help me for the first move, then I already managed to turn p4p into freebies belived me or not ).

It was a complete different atmosphere, girls were below average, less girls, less fun.

Ratio was horrible.

I managed to see some local makes moves, two average guys chating with two girls out of their leagues (not as good looking girls than the day before but above average ).

They were sitting at the bar, one of the guy was adressing some caress, then all these people moved to a table with a bottle of fake champagne on ice. The girl chatted for 10 minutes then kissed goodbye. I saw the guy who buyed the bottle counting his monney probably thinking about the bad invesment he made.

It has already been told but If you have no game home, it definitly will not be easier here.

Went back home and took an unvolunted nap, wake up around 3am took a cab to Rio.

Really liked the attitude of the staff, makes you really confortable.

Back home this kind of place will just try to scam you.

They told me they will close at 5 am like the day before.

So I had my seat at the end of the strip line I will say they was like 12 girls, how the club works has been detailed in many post so I won't describe it.

I am fan of small tits, even flat girls are ok for me.

They was a girl long ponytail, dark hair, that won't remove her bra on stage. I did had a mixed filling about her but she was the closest girl to my type. Maybe the fact she was the only girl not been topless made me curious.

Private dance was just OK.

Went back and on stage was a girl, brunet, short hair, small tits. Really the kind of girl that turn me on.

So I went again for private dance, she asked my name and give me her (the other didn't ). Really nice attitude, lot of smiles, eyes contact. Didn't have the change so gave her 400 instead of the 300 requested.

Her name or stripper name is Anette, she doesn't speak English and I don't speak Russian.

I'd loved to take her out, there is a big communication issue Any idea on how to proceed?

Sorbonne
05-03-14, 08:48
Kiev is over.

After tonight. Sitting with massively overweight fat girls trying to make conversation.

Kiev is over.

Well at least as I put in my previous post, the low hanging fruit is gone. I haven't seen any really gorgeous girls anywhere out. There are average attractive nice looking girls with their Ukrainian boyfriends going to the hot spots that will probably deny you entrance because you are the wrong age, wrong face, wrong race, wrong language. FOREIGNER NOT WELCOME. There is still no egalitarian attitude here. In US clubs you can jump the line if you're a hot girl or if you pay to reserve a table. But here, who wants to say pay $1, 500 euros to reserve a table at the (defunct) Dante Park. Really? How stupid is that in Ukraine. (Also how did that business model work out in the end? I guess not so good). Basically you are welcome only if you are a smart looking corrupt scion of local oligarchy...A little too impressionistic, but still I think this is one of the best reports I have ever read on this forum. I feel this way perhaps because of my own experiences in Ukraine.

That said, however, with Kiev being the city where a lot of my dreams have come true, I would like to see it with my own eyes what is really happening there.

In this regard, it is in fact unbelievable what I am reading. After all, I was in Kiev only last November, a few days before all this started in that month, when I experienced almost the same as before.

I will be there sooner or later this year and hopefully find my dream girl, lol !

I will most likely stand out as a foreigner. Perhaps there are many stupid Ukrainians who don't understand what is happening politically and economically and who just vent their steam toward any foreigners. But make no mistake, if they attack me, they will be covered by pepper spray!

Member #4274
05-03-14, 11:17
Well, I am shocked at all the negative posts and comments concerning this terrific city, Kyiv. First of all let me state a few things. I do not go to strip clubs and I really have little interests in clubs in general. Also, I do not speak the local language very well and have been living in Kyiv for just 7 months. While I have lived and spent time in some Central / Eastern Europe cities, including Budapest and Minsk, I don't claim to be an expert or specialist in the area of mongering.

That said, there are beautiful women everywhere here. Fat girls? Where? I don't see many of them at all. Walk on Kreshchatyk, walk between Politek. Institue and Sviatosyn metro, go to Ocean Plaza, take the metro or just sit at a café anywhere and watch them all walk by. Nonsense! Kyiv is over flowing with beauties of all makes. In my office not only are there beautiful women working, but coming and going all day. Pleasant, honest, sexy, warm, hard working and charming women. Not just these money grubbing working girls being written about here.

Look, if you're judging a city based on a four day holiday weekend (many people have left the city this weekend) of hitting strip bars and trying to take home girls from clubs, well that is your prerogative. However, I am happy to say my experience here has been overwhelmingly positive, save the political atmosphere, which is easily avoided if you are willing to live outside the center.

At this moment I have freebies and lovely, young students looking for sponsors coming out the ying-yang. In fact, I have been dating this very sexy university student who I never give money to. I am 40 and she is 21. In North America I could never have met a young hottie like her without dumping tones of money on her lap. Here I take her for dinner, we go for a nice walk, I make her laugh and she keeps my bed warm. She is absolutely sweet. Occasionally I buy her perfume, Roshen chocolates or expensive hand cream, but that is rare and she never asks for it.

In truth, I am starting to get bored of her. Can you imagine? In North America I would be dying to keep her but here, with so many young, pretty and available women, I can afford to look elsewhere. I have a date with another young woman (see photo below) on Monday. Tall, simple, sexy and very warm. She is studying to be a doctor.

Kyiv might be over for those interested in just a cheap, quick trip to strip clubs. But to those mongers who are willing and can afford to put a little more effort in, it is very rewarding.

Raisonable
05-03-14, 12:49

TexasMorrell
05-03-14, 18:32
kiev is over.

after tonight. sitting with massively overweight fat girls trying to make conversation.

kiev is over.

well at least as i put in my previous post, the low hanging fruit is gone. i haven't seen any really gorgeous girls anywhere out. there are average attractive nice looking girls with their ukrainian boyfriends going to the hot spots that will probably deny you entrance because you are the wrong age, wrong face, wrong race, wrong language. foreigner not welcome. there is still no egalitarian attitude here. in us clubs you can jump the line if you're a hot girl or if you pay to reserve a table. but here, who wants to say pay $1, 500 euros to reserve a table at the (defunct) dante park. really? how stupid is that in ukraine. (also how did that business model work out in the end? i guess not so good). basically you are welcome only if you are a smart looking corrupt scion of local oligarchy.

it steams me to no end to see these dumbasses charging covers and extracting minimums and you need to pay x dollars to sit there with their club is 98% empty. it should be: you are our only customer. you are god. you can sit in the throne. wherever you want. we will make you happy so you will call your friends and say this is awesome and we will build business. i went into star nosorog once and they had a ladies night with all male strippers and wanted to force me to pay 500 uah in order to sit down. what the hell kind of business logic is that. never did i ever see a club in canada or usa that ever did this kind of thing. you want to sit? then sit. you want the bar? sit at the bar. you want to drink? buy one. you don't? sit and enjoy the show. you want a dance, ask a girl? don't? nobody will bother you.

this is a gentleman's club. not a series of fights with pushy fat girls trying to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you. not the waitress coming to explain a menu that requires a degree in mathematics and logic in order to figure out the convoluted options that end up only in one thing anyway (you pay a lot of money and receive nothing). not girls demanding champagne when they sit down and bleeding you dry so you run out the door in 20 minutes.

just stupid. and sad. and so not worth it when there is nobody worthwhile to spend time with or watch dance.

so for you and me, probably there is not so much room anymore. mamba. just women in their 30s and 40s looking to get married, and have a father for their 3 children abandoned by their 3 ukrainian fathers. deal with anti-foreigner attitude which seems to be growing but is not completely obvious yet. or deal with fake profiles.

and always the dreaded question: why do you come to kiev? really, you people have a great and beautiful european capital that could be everything that any of the others are if you just believed in yourselves a bit. people can come to kiev because it's beautiful, the girls are beautiful, there is fun to be had, good food and things to see and do. why must you always hold this up as an accusation: why do you come to kiev? are you here on business? sigh. it's ok to like your city, it really is.

the girls i saw out at places like shooters, mostly looked like really close to post-soviet types, overweight, tacky clothing, bad hair and makeup. you can see them in bangkok at cm2, similar types of girls from uzbekistan and khazakstan. nobody i'd want to be seen with.

i think if you have extensive contacts from past trips or local presence you will always be ok because you can turn to your network. but if you are transient and hoping to meet someone, better off elsewhere. maybe dubai.

i just don't feel there is any bloom on this rose anymore. if you want to meet a beautiful ukrainian girl you should probably go to moscow now or london and have a lot, a lot, a lot of money and be prepared to lay out the red carpet for the princess. if you just want a nice country girl you will probably be able to find that in kiev with extensive work, but that's the same anywhere in the world. and what is the cost of your time?

also your personal standards in this matter. mine are high. mine were set high based on what i experienced in kiev 3 years ago though. used to be wow. now it's omg wut.

i am kind of disappointed in general on this trip, not seeing any nice girls even in the strip clubs, just to watch. just fat girls all over the place. it's not what i think is normal for ukraine, so many massive bodies. ukrainian strip clubs with fat girls? that concept blows my mind. i remember my first visit, drunk, to millenium about 3 years ago which was never even a good club and my mind was blown at the gorgeous athletic bodies everyone had.

fat in mint rhino. fat in solid gold. fat in star rhino. fat in rio. dolls is still immune to this stream of fat girls invading the strip clubs.

the downward slide started in the last two years with propositions in clubs going from $300 from a stunning girl to $500 from an ugly girl. now on mamba multiple times mediocre girls have propositioned me at $1500. i just laugh at that. privately this was also offered to me for a very pretty girl for a day. but i don't want to break my mind on entertaining someone for a day while paying them a $1500 salary. no matter how pretty. my day is worth more to me than that. i don't have the time or the words to expend on trying to keep them happy, and i know that's what it will be. it will be a day spent with a mopey hard to please girl who will want to go to a bunch of high end clubs and shopping and bullshit and do her best to avoid being a temporary girlfriend, but will just try to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) my wallet.

who. needs. that.

anyway in the strip clubs, the beauties are now gone. kaput. over. where they went, i don't know but they are not here. maybe 1 in 15 in a strip club. i never saw a more beautiful girl in the last year in kiev or moscow or st. petersburg than what i saw in a visit to new york one one night at one single strip club. of course in the nyc strip club they were all russian and ukrainian girls. you can see them in las vegas too. even my friends have bailed the hell out of ukraine, why fix the problems at home when you can get a visa and get the hell out. so i tell my ukrainian friends "i'm in kiev" and they ask me how it is. so here i am reporting back to them about what is going on in their own country.

on the street i don't know and in high end clubs i don't know. but in high end clubs, the demands are about the same as you would expect in miami or new york anyway. i will try say d'lux tomorrow and i fully expect some average girl to suggest $1000 to me. i would in turn ask, who is paying, me, or you? because if you are paying, i am so down with that.

i promise to ask this tomorrow. who is paying. i could use some cash too.

in the end, what's the point here? if you have a few million to kick around to impress princesses in monaco and milano and new york, you don't need to come to kiev with all its problems to do so. if you want to be one of these sultans who sets up a $3 million or $5 million flat to impress the girls you can impress them. but more and more they are a string of slightly above average country girls come to the big city with bad hair and clothes. nice bodies but as soon as they get a taste of anything related to western diet they are doomed and so you are doomed too. you will be adopting a daughter who can't run her own life, who if you travel with her she will do something like leave all her cash sitting out in the open for the housekeeper to steal. then she will be confused as to why that happened and you will forever be fixing and dealing with her little mistakes. because you adopted a clueless daughter that needs everything spoon fed to her like she's 3 years old.

and if you do travel with her, the first time anywhere her mind will be blown.

the second time she will have special requests.

the third time she will be pissed off that you didn't book the presidential suite at the armani hotel in dubai and fly her in with the private jet so she can instagram it to all her friends to make them jealous. they are extremely fast, the ukrainian girls, at adopting to positive economic changes.

i had a girl whine and * and moan about being at one of the best five star resorts in maldives because it was a beach villa instead of an over water villa. over water villas are for rookies who think it's cool, then end up in a small place that has no sun in the afternoon and have to walk a mile to get to a place where they can swim or sun or eat. beach villas are great, open the door, stroll into the water and enjoy. bigger, costs less, better experience. but don't tell that to your spoiled ukrainian girl you just ruined her instagram account because she told all her friends she would be in maldives and there's an expectation then from her fanbase about what kinds of pictures she will be posting.

so really your plan must be to first make about $100 million dollars, then buy your $5 million flat in kiev to impress the girls, keep around about $2 million in cars, and make sure you have prestige access to all clubs where you must spend thousands per night to keep her and her friends entertained. and then budget money to deal with their fuckups. they want cars and education and travel and the expenses are never ending. and during this process you convert the girl from a nice fit pretty country girl into a fat spoiled idiot with constant demands including "where are you, what are you doing, who are you seeing?"

is it ever worth that? to do it right?

i don't think so.

for me, i think in the future i'll just go to new york or london. enjoy seeing some truly beautiful girls who left their bullshit countries behind. and not do so worrying about people in the streets with clubs coming after me or what putin feels like doing tomorrow with his new toy.

and nobody will cheat me a single penny in either city. and at the end of the day it will cost the same and i won't be jet lagged.

i think kiev is off the list for me.

this has really been different from my first visit to kiev, where i landed in the airport and almost broke my neck snapping it around wondering why there was a model convention going on in this airport. now it's just another city. sorry to say, but it's how i feel about kiev now.

i hope i'm wrong and this is just a negative reaction.

but i think the first toll of the bell was the river palace going down. before my time.

the second toll of the bell was the turks invading buddha bar and buddha bar chasing the girls out. the detritus left over demanding $500 as the premium for being the only 2-3 females in a sea of 100 turks.

the third toll of the bell was rang by vladimir putin and represents the end of the country. so, these changes will be permanent. ukrainians will flee to better lives if they can get them because their existing lives are going to be a new level of shit that will be unprecedented. or they will join russia.

either way, it's already done. that bell rings three times and cannot unring.

kiev is over.i don't know why you saw what you saw but i just got back from a two week stay in kiev and i had no problem finding hotties. i do not go to strip clubs. mamba was all i needed to stay very busy. kiev has the same beautiful women it has always had. the mamba girls are even more eager now with all that is going on. i suggest you stay out of strip clubs and look for normal girls lest you be jaded forever.

Member #4274
05-03-14, 18:35
I don't know why you saw what you saw but I just got back from a two week stay in Kiev and I had no problem finding hotties. I do not go to strip clubs. Mamba was all I needed to stay very busy. Kiev has the same beautiful women it has always had. The Mamba girls are even more eager now with all that is going on. I suggest you stay out of strip clubs and look for normal girls lest you be jaded forever.Exactly! I couldn't agree more!

Leggio1
05-03-14, 18:46
I don't know why you saw what you saw but I just got back from a two week stay in Kiev and I had no problem finding hotties. I do not go to strip clubs. Mamba was all I needed to stay very busy. Kiev has the same beautiful women it has always had. The Mamba girls are even more eager now with all that is going on. I suggest you stay out of strip clubs and look for normal girls lest you be jaded forever.I disagree. Kiev has been more and more of a disappointment on every return trip. To say Kiev has the same beautiful women it always had, is just so wrong. All the dynamics that gave more options to the girls created a less attractive mongering environment. It's like the regular girls started disappearing and everything was going the way of pure hustle. Who's going to visit now with hating lunatics walking the streets.

Uke Boy
05-03-14, 19:35
I think that Protocol's primal scream had many elements of truth in it. The same with Canadian's assessment of his situation. Mine is not dissimilar to CB's. However, I have been here much longer and have seen many changes in my time.

I, too, have no use for bars, clubs, strip clubs and all the other joints that rip off the occasional or even the more experienced monger. These are the refuges of the weekend or week-long WYSIWYG monger who has these as his best options. He is too lazy or too scared or linguistically challenged to try mamba or other options. By focusing just on the strip clubs, Buddha, Arena, Shooters, or any of the other venues, you are sure to be parted from your money big time with little to no reward. For the short-time monger, I think Protocol's rant rings very true. This is no longer the candy-land it once was for those who expect the girls to roll over and climb into your bed once they see a foreigner for $100 for the night or less at one of the clubs. It is not going to happen.

That said, unfortunately, I have noticed the unfortunate fattening of Ukraine and its women. Ten years ago, a fat young woman was a rarity. Today it is becoming more commonplace. Big thighs, rolling fat waists, big calves, big butts are now showing up more often when I go to the supermarket or elsewhere. I try and walk everywhere and I see what is happening and the trend is not good. Too much MacDonald's and not enough exercise may now be the curse of Ukraine. That they now show up in strip clubs is no surprise. Fortunately there are still more of the slim regular girls, good lookers and stunners but where this trend is not heading in the right direction.

Frankly, success here depends not on the girls but on yourself. How you approach things here and what you are prepared to do or not goes a long way to your success or failure. This is no longer the easy pickings for the weekend warrior it once was so long ago. The easy, low-hanging fruit has disappeared. It will now take lots of work and much more money for those here on a short-term basis.

Bill0412
05-05-14, 10:29
Hi,

I am an Indian. There are no similarities between Ukrainians and us Indians. Two different societies. But everytime I was in Kiev for official work, I was pleasantly surprised how easy it is to make friendship with locals. Most memorable were short journeys on metro. Lots and lots of beautiful Ukrainian girls.

Many Indian companies have their offices in Kiev and local Ukrainian girls are working there. It is virtually impossible not to notice them.

Bill

You69Me
05-05-14, 12:25
Hi all,

I would like to know what the situation in the Ukraine is.

There are some many conflicting stories.

Anyone here please provide some insight.

Thanks

Leggio1
05-05-14, 17:12
I was talking to a friend of mine that visits Kiev for work. He said that ever since its become obvious the East will fall into a Russian orbit, you can actually feel the bad vibe girls are giving off towards foreigners. Something he did not sense one month ago. Buyers market notion is complete nonsense in Kiev.

Muddy7
05-06-14, 00:02
Hi all,

I would like to know what the situation in the Ukraine is.

There are some many conflicting stories.

Anyone here please provide some insight.

ThanksAll is ok in Kiev

Member #4274
05-06-14, 00:04
Hi all,

I would like to know what the situation in the Ukraine is.

There are some many conflicting stories.

Anyone here please provide some insight.

ThanksIn Ukraine? The situation is violent, unpredictable and unstable. Be very careful where you are deciding to travel to. The further West the better if you want to avoid conflict. What is more, May 9 and May 25 are two dates you must be aware of. These are politically significant dates here in Ukraine. I would avoid being in and around large public venues on these two dates. I for one will be happily retreating to my apartment far from the center with a bottle of cognac, a Hemingway novel and my favorite piece of ass on these two dates. At the moment Kyiv is quite quiet and relaxed, but my experiences here tell me the situation can change quickly and dramatically. Others might disagree but I think I've assessed the situation here accurately.

Muddy7
05-06-14, 00:30
Hi all,

I would like to know what the situation in the Ukraine is.

There are some many conflicting stories.

Anyone here please provide some insight.

ThanksHttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/images/w-RUSIv5.jpg

X Alex X
05-06-14, 10:46
Another visit to Relax Massage near Premier Palace Hotel.

Took Alina for a 1hr-massage.

The regular massage was nice, the erotic massage part was great. She has the sweetest tiniest pussy ever seen.

You69Me
05-06-14, 21:33
Many thanks for all your inputs about the situation in the Ukraine.

I don't trust the mainstream media.

The free media networks have also been poisoned with false information.

The web seems to be full of greedy warmongers.

We all were born to have sex.


In Ukraine? The situation is violent, unpredictable and unstable. Be very careful where you are deciding to travel to. The further West the better if you want to avoid conflict. What is more, May 9 and May 25 are two dates you must be aware of. These are politically significant dates here in Ukraine. I would avoid being in and around large public venues on these two dates. I for one will be happily retreating to my apartment far from the center with a bottle of cognac, a Hemingway novel and my favorite piece of ass on these two dates. At the moment Kyiv is quite quiet and relaxed, but my experiences here tell me the situation can change quickly and dramatically. Others might disagree but I think I've assessed the situation here accurately.

Ross123
05-06-14, 22:09
In Ukraine? The situation is violent, unpredictable and unstable. Be very careful where you are deciding to travel to. The further West the better if you want to avoid conflict. What is more, May 9 and May 25 are two dates you must be aware of. These are politically significant dates here in Ukraine. I would avoid being in and around large public venues on these two dates. I for one will be happily retreating to my apartment far from the center with a bottle of cognac, a Hemingway novel and my favorite piece of ass on these two dates. At the moment Kyiv is quite quiet and relaxed, but my experiences here tell me the situation can change quickly and dramatically. Others might disagree but I think I've assessed the situation here accurately.I just got back from a few days in Kiev, the place was unusually quite for this time of year, clubs mostly empty, the days of having to beg and grovel to get into the VIP area are well gone, VIP was empty, but prices haven't dropped, unless the charges are in Hryvna.

I spent a lot of time walking and felt very safe, during the day Maiden square is a tourist attraction, seen many Ukrainians being photographed against the Maiden backdrop.

Having said that, as others have warned things can get ugly very fast, so one needs to be aware of the potential risks, I also don't know what the situation is if one needed assistance from the police, hospital or other government services. It is very possible that unrest could flare up within a very short time, and possible shutting down the airport, main routes and makes it too risky to travel outside ones apartment.

On the other hand the choice of girls is great, so good time to visit Kiev, as long as you are aware of the potential risks.

How14
05-06-14, 23:48
Found this interesting video on the current situation very interesting, and quite shocking, I thought I was aware of what was going on until I seen this, now I'm not so sure. Can anyone here shine any light on this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvxgkIIIVio&sns=fb

Questner
05-07-14, 06:21
Found this interesting video on the current situation very interesting, and quite shocking, I thought I was aware of what was going on until I seen this, now I'm not so sure. Can anyone here shine any light on this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvxgkIIIVio&sns=fbThis is a regular footage from rt. Com RT is available on cable TV. However you won't see on on a 'weather' channel like CNN.

Poker Player 2
05-07-14, 07:23
Thank you for your input. I do watch RT videos at times but I realize the channel is financed by the Russian government. I do not find RT programs entirely impartial. The parts of this video that I watched, I found the presentation so very one sided that it loses a certainly amount of credibility. I loved the theatrics and the editing though which helps convince the audience to a certain point of view. I certainly would not consider this work as untrue but I would describe it as selective truth. It is refreshing to see so many interviewed on the Russian side without guns and so very peaceful:)

One of the things I do not take for granted is our ability to select what we read, watch, listen to and want to believe. May there be peace for all Ukrainians.


Found this interesting video on the current situation very interesting, and quite shocking, I thought I was aware of what was going on until I seen this, now I'm not so sure. Can anyone here shine any light on this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvxgkIIIVio&sns=fb

DoctorOral
05-07-14, 08:36
Haha. My nicest venture so far ever. So cute, tiny, soft, and hard.

Member #4491
05-07-14, 20:04
Just back from a week in UA. Kiev had less visitors than normal according to my friends. Looked pretty slow in restaurants. Had no problems anywhere. I only visit clubs to get hammered with mates and had no time for this, so can not comment on this scene.

All in all I had great fun in Kiev. I rely on girlfriends, friends and friends of friends. Had way more poonani lined up than I could ever juggle. Several disappointed candidates again. Thank God for failing cell phone networks to blame for not managing to get in touch as agreed.

Left Kiev after two nights with an acing see*ck, knowing that my (next) GF would silently wonder what "work" I did in Kiev when she had Barba pounding her doggy for 30 minutes without shooting his load.

On the topic of slim girls getting curvier I can refer to T. She is known and knows some of you.

Plumper in reality for sure. Reasonably big boobs. I like a bigger girl sometimes, for a change. Decided to try her one day since she has been on my todo list for a couple of years, but as so often it was a disappointing experience. Not because of her but because of my expectations. It is impossible for these girls to not be affected by this line of work, even if they are in their early 20:s, and I simply want more. T is friendly and relaxed, but there are so many super sweet girls out there and the jaded smoking, often heavily drinking professionals are simply not Barba's call in life.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb691694143/?afolder=dating

Or.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1137306656/dating

Would I do her again? No.

Would I recommend her to a sex depraved visitor? Well, I guess this is what I just did.

The rest of the trip was epic but the ones who could understand does not need my report, and the rest would not believe it.

Had great fun with the knight. A good friend. A king, not a knight.

B

Member #4274
05-07-14, 20:08
An American buddy of mine who has been living in Kyiv for seven years sent me a warning this evening. He said he was chatting with a student aged woman on mamba last night and they agreed to meet for a few hours at his flat for 800 UAH. As he is not new to the scene here in Kyiv, he told her his building address but was careful not to tell her his apartment number. Like me, he prefers to meet her outside of his building to make sure she looks like her photos and everything is on the level. Well, she called and informed him she had arrived and was waiting outside of his building. When he went out to meet her he was greeted by two men who immediately confronted him and, in broken English, demanded money or they'd beat him. There was no sight of the woman. However, my buddy speaks impressive Russian and started to not only threaten to call the police but to call some contacts he had in the government who'd be happy to assist him (none of it true). The men were taken aback by this and gave him enough space to successfully separate himself from them and hurry to the street where there were plenty of people about.

I asked him to forward me her mamba profile. When I contacted her about it she blocked me immediately. She has since changed her location from Kyiv to Zhitomir: http://www.mamba.ru/mb1154126277/album_photos?album_id=1154126279#/closed

In Kyiv right now there is a serious lack of police presence. I recall during my trip to Kyiv in 2010 there were police everywhere. Not so much now. In truth the police are nearly useless anyway. Mongers must be aware of the current situation in Kyiv and Ukraine.

Leggio1
05-07-14, 20:53
An American buddy of mine who has been living in Kyiv for seven years sent me a warning this evening. He said he was chatting with a student aged woman on mamba last night and they agreed to meet for a few hours at his flat for 800 UAH. As he is not new to the scene here in Kyiv, he told her his building address but was careful not to tell her his apartment number. Like me, he prefers to meet her outside of his building to make sure she looks like her photos and everything is on the level. Well, she called and informed him she had arrived and was waiting outside of his building. When he went out to meet her he was greeted by two men who immediately confronted him and, in broken English, demanded money from him or they'd beat him. There was no sight of the woman. However, my buddy speaks impressive Russian and started to not only threaten to call the police but to call some contacts he had in the government who'd be happy to assist him (none of it true). The men were taken aback by this and gave him enough space to successfully separate himself from them and hurry to the street where there were plenty of people about.

I asked him to forward me her mamba profile. When I contacted her about it she blocked me immediately. She has since changed her location from Kyiv to Zhitomir:

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1154126277/album_photos?album_id=1154126279#/closed

In Kyiv right now there is a serious lack of police presence. I recall during my trip to Kyiv in 2010 there were police everywhere. Not so much now. In truth the police are nearly useless anyway. Mongers must be aware of the current situation in Kyiv and Ukraine.This is good advice. Shakedowns are to be expected with lack of law enforcement. I recommend watching your building from the outside to do some recon. Never give out your apartment number.

Uke Boy
05-08-14, 08:36
An American buddy of mine who has been living in Kyiv for seven years sent me a warning this evening. He said he was chatting with a student aged woman on mamba last night and they agreed to meet for a few hours at his flat for 800 UAH. As he is not new to the scene here in Kyiv, he told her his building address but was careful not to tell her his apartment number. Like me, he prefers to meet her outside of his building to make sure she looks like her photos and everything is on the level. Well, she called and informed him she had arrived and was waiting outside of his building. When he went out to meet her he was greeted by two men who immediately confronted him and, in broken English, demanded money or they'd beat him. There was no sight of the woman. However, my buddy speaks impressive Russian and started to not only threaten to call the police but to call some contacts he had in the government who'd be happy to assist him (none of it true). The men were taken aback by this and gave him enough space to successfully separate himself from them and hurry to the street where there were plenty of people about.

I asked him to forward me her mamba profile. When I contacted her about it she blocked me immediately. She has since changed her location from Kyiv to Zhitomir:

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1154126277/album_photos?album_id=1154126279#/closed

In Kyiv right now there is a serious lack of police presence. I recall during my trip to Kyiv in 2010 there were police everywhere. Not so much now. In truth the police are nearly useless anyway. Mongers must be aware of the current situation in Kyiv and Ukraine.If you are concerned by your safety here, as well you should be given the current tensions, I have a suggestion. If your apartment looks out onto the street, tell the girl that she should call you when she gets to a landmark, a store, a kiosk, anything that you can see directly from your apartment, and call you from there. That way, you can see just who is calling and if she is who you want and who she says she is, you can then answer, go down and meet her and this is also in a public location. The same concept applies if your apartment faces the courtyard. Have her stand somewhere that you can see her clearly.

If it is a shakedown, then while she may still call you, but if you cannot see her, then you have no need to answer the phone. If you do answer and still do not see her, then just ask her to stand where you asked her to stand. If she does not show on that spot or hangs up, then you have been saved from a possible problem. It is not a 100% foolproof but it will help, especially late at night.

Do remember as CB said, police here are completely useless so you need to make sure that you take every precaution to ensure your safety. Kiev is generally a very safe city. However, since Maidan, a lot of very doubtful and criminal types have come into Kiev to take advantage of the situation. Foreigners are considered an easy mark but while chances are very slim that you will be a victim, it does pay to be aware.

Limarian
05-08-14, 10:13
Another visit to Relax Massage near Premier Palace Hotel.

Took Alina for a 1hr-massage.

The regular massage was nice, the erotic massage part was great. She has the sweetest tiniest pussy ever seen.I have trawled many of the Kiev parlours looking for full service but it never materialises. I note on the Relax web site they offer 'libertine' massage with the girl pleasuring herself with a toy. Is this a real offer do you think (or know) or just a teaser.

SuperLove
05-08-14, 11:35
Hi mongers, I have been to Kiev and one should just hit Khreshatyk Street (near mcdonalds) to find truck load of beautiful girls. Please do not get in touch with dating sites and others things similar. They are all a scam.

Just see a local on the street and ask her if she needs money. In some cases they will say no and in some yes. Its hits and misses. Some ukranian girls are conservative so getting them is not so easy but they are very nice girls. Extremely pretty on an average easily 7. 5-8/10. Tell them you want to go to Odessa and don't mind paying them for their company. This is what I did. Book a room and fuck them happily. They can invite friends too. I was there for a few days and had amazing fun. Try going to Avalon in Kiev, amazing place to get some prost. Other nice bars and clubs have face curfew so getting in is not so easy.

Going rate was about 900-11000 UAH for an hour which is super cheap comparing other cities.

Have fun and stay safe,

Cheers

Muddy7
05-08-14, 14:01
I think its not a bad idea to carry just 100 grivna in your pocket when you go outside your apt to meet a girl and if this happens just give the guys what you have in your pocket, its better than a punch in the face and a broken nose. But what if they want to enter your apartment??
There are many profiles of your girls (18-21) on mamba with just one photo.

The problem is law enforcement in UA is very very weak and corrupt and criminals know that too


An American buddy of mine who has been living in Kyiv for seven years sent me a warning this evening. He said he was chatting with a student aged woman on mamba last night and they agreed to meet for a few hours at his flat for 800 UAH. As he is not new to the scene here in Kyiv, he told her his building address but was careful not to tell her his apartment number. Like me, he prefers to meet her outside of his building to make sure she looks like her photos and everything is on the level. Well, she called and informed him she had arrived and was waiting outside of his building. When he went out to meet her he was greeted by two men who immediately confronted him and, in broken English, demanded money or they'd beat him. There was no sight of the woman. However, my buddy speaks impressive Russian and started to not only threaten to call the police but to call some contacts he had in the government who'd be happy to assist him (none of it true). The men were taken aback by this and gave him enough space to successfully separate himself from them and hurry to the street where there were plenty of people about.

I asked him to forward me her mamba profile. When I contacted her about it she blocked me immediately. She has since changed her location from Kyiv to Zhitomir:

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1154126277/album_photos?album_id=1154126279#/closed

In Kyiv right now there is a serious lack of police presence. I recall during my trip to Kyiv in 2010 there were police everywhere. Not so much now. In truth the police are nearly useless anyway. Mongers must be aware of the current situation in Kyiv and Ukraine.

Leggio1
05-08-14, 15:05
I think its not a bad idea to carry just 100 grivna in your pocket when you go outside your apt to meet a girl and if this happens just give the guys what you have in your pocket, its better than a punch in the face and a broken nose. But what if they want to enter your apartment?

There are many profiles of your girls (18-21) on mamba with just one photo.

The problem is law enforcement in UA is very very weak and corrupt and criminals know that tooIt would be very dangerous to hand over money and show weakness. Just wait outside somewhere and scan the scene. Don't look through windows because the guys will always stand back if they have a girl.

SamLondon
05-08-14, 18:03
Location: Outside a hotel next to Rio Striptease and across the road from Club Avalon / Club Ajour. Time 6pm.

Walking back to the hotel. Just pass entrance to Rio and in front of nearby alley, a respectable looking guy bends down and picks up a pile of Euros in a travel exchange plastic wallet and pretends he has just found it there on the floor.

Makes eye contact with me, makes out all innocent and asks "not yours?"

I say No!

He says "Lets go here and we share this between us". And leads me into the alleyway.

He takes out the money and shows me the plastic wallet to confirm that its a proper wad of money.

Just then, we are surprised by a 2nd guy who comes into the alley shouting "Excuse me, Excuse me! I dropped my money, have you guys seen it?

We protest our innocence.

The 2nd guy ask to check our money "I know I had 50euro bills, let me check your money". Before giving you a chance to think, the 1st guy takes out his own wallet and allows the 2nd guy to ruffle through it and he has his wallet returned to him.

At this stage you feel compelled to do the same, so I take out my wallet and allow him to ruffle through it. While he is doing this, the 1st guy takes out some other loose bills from another pocket and allows 2nd guy to examine this also (This is the clever bit). This is timed perfectly so that your eyes are drawn away from your own wallet and towards what the 1st guy is giving to the 2nd guy.

Everyone is given their wallets and money back whilst the 2nd guy is threatening to call his girlfriend to who he now claims saw us pick up the money.

In this commotion, we are drawn back out the alleyway towards the main road. When we get there, the second guy suddenly notices the end of the plastic wallet sticking out from the 1st guys pocket. Reaches out and snatches it out of the pocket. A minor scuffle breaks out between them before the 1st guy rushes off accross the street persued by the 2nd guy towards Club Avalon / Ajour.

You obviously make a hasty exit from the scene.

Its only afterwards when you have your presence of mind back again that you reach for your wallet and go through to see if anything is missing.

He had left me a few $5 bills that I had but lifted all by $100 bills ($600). He has obviously done this whilst I was distracted in the alleyway.

As a Londoner, I thought I was pretty street-wise and couldn't be conned but these smart and slick Kiev lads have shown me that there is more than one kind of talent that Kiev has to offer in abundance.

Enjoy your visit to Kiev but as with visits to Casinos, only go with money you are happy to lose.

How quickly you lose will depend on the talent that seeks you out (aka. They saw you coming!)

Enjoy

How14
05-08-14, 21:49
I think its not a bad idea to carry just 100 grivna in your pocket when you go outside your apt to meet a girl and if this happens just give the guys what you have in your pocket, its better than a punch in the face and a broken nose. But what if they want to enter your apartment?

There are many profiles of your girls (18-21) on mamba with just one photo.

The problem is law enforcement in UA is very very weak and corrupt and criminals know that tooWhy would you want to even give somebody 100? How about buying a fucking baseball bat or taser / pepperspray and going out and standing your ground. Fuck that giving them money, I had it happen in st Petersburg when a girl I had just done came back with a boyfriend and tried to get money out of me, I head butted him and broke his nose, that was the end of him sat there on his arse claret poring down his filthy t shirt and crying his eyes out. Don't back down to that, it just breeds more of it.

Muddy7
05-08-14, 23:24
Maybe its better to try to vk. Com instead of mamba, there are more profile, more legit profiles, more photos, girls post their last names, their friends. Its probably safer

Muddy7
05-08-14, 23:33
SamLondon,

Thats an old trick, it happened to me in my first or second trip 7- 8 years ago, but I had read about it so I just kept walking faster didn't say anything to the first guy, as I was walking and the guy was chasing me I raised my hand and pointed to the traffic cop and the guy just ran away

Muddy7
05-09-14, 00:01
1, 000s of titushkas and Russians plan provocations in Kyiv on May 9

http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/05/08/1000s-of-titushkas-and-russians-plan-provocations-in-kyiv/

Jojosun
05-09-14, 08:33
location: outside a hotel next to rio striptease and across the road from club avalon / club ajour. time 6pm.

walking back to the hotel. just pass entrance to rio and in front of nearby alley, a respectable looking guy bends down and picks up a pile of euros in a travel exchange plastic wallet and pretends he has just found it there on the floor.

makes eye contact with me, makes out all innocent and asks "not yours?"

i say no!

he says "lets go here and we share this between us". and leads me into the alleyway.

he takes out the money and shows me the plastic wallet to confirm that its a proper wad of money.

just then, we are surprised by a 2nd guy who comes into the alley shouting "excuse me, excuse me! i dropped my money, have you guys seen it?

we protest our innocence.

the 2nd guy ask to check our money "i know i had 50euro bills, let me check your money". before giving you a chance to think, the 1st guy takes out his own wallet and allows the 2nd guy to ruffle through it and he has his wallet returned to him.

at this stage you feel compelled to do the same, so i take out my wallet and allow him to ruffle through it. while he is doing this, the 1st guy takes out some other loose bills from another pocket and allows 2nd guy to examine this also (this is the clever bit). this is timed perfectly so that your eyes are drawn away from your own wallet and towards what the 1st guy is giving to the 2nd guy.i knew about the oldest scam in kiev even before landing there in 2009 by doing a lot of research here & on virtual tourist trpiadvisor, lonely planet etc.

kiev: scams.

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/travel-g294474-c166699/kiev:ukraine:scams.html.

"beware a favorite scam that is frequently encountered in main tourist areas, especially if you are a solo traveler walking alone. a large packet of money will suddenly appear on the ground in front of you. almost immediately a "local" will appear exclaiming, usually in english,"hey, look at that!" he'll pick it up and flip through it. his enthusiasm is infectious. he will look around and see no owner. the line that follows may vary from "come on, it's our lucky day!" to "in my country it is traditional to share good fortune". shortly thereafter the "owner" of the dropped money will appear. by this time the happy stranger will have concealed the money on his person and claim no knowledge of it. the owner will then demand to see your wallets. the money-finder will happily show his, whereupon the owner will demand to see yours. while your wallet is open for inspection, the finder will do his best to distract you. while this is going on, the owner will swap out bills in your wallet. leaving a ten for your hundred, or a five for your fifty. it's all about speed and distraction. you won't discover the switch (if you do at all) until much later. so if you see a wad of money on the ground. just keep walking and ignore its "finder".

Jojosun
05-09-14, 08:46
i think its not a bad idea to carry just 100 grivna in your pocket when you go outside your apt to meet a girl and if this happens just give the guys what you have in your pocket, its better than a punch in the face and a broken nose. but what if they want to enter your apartment?

the problem is law enforcement in ua is very very weak and corrupt and criminals know that toothat's why i prefer staying at good centrally located hotels where i can speed interview the girls in the lobby. not to my liking, then 50 uah taxi money and on their way.

hotel security on my side and my taxi driver waiting outside. anyway they will need 2 ukrainian heavies to tackle me.

Sorbonne
05-09-14, 10:03
SamLondon,

Thats an old trick, it happened to me in my first or second trip 7- 8 years ago, but I had read about it so I just kept walking faster didn't say anything to the first guy, as I was walking and the guy was chasing me I raised my hand and pointed to the traffic cop and the guy just ran awayYes, that is an old trick. Even Lonely Planet warns against it in some editions.

It happened to me in Moscow in 1995. I insisted that I would show my wallet only in the broad daylight instead of where I was led, a dark corner of an old apartment building. At that point they no longer pursued my wallet.

Or they were not as good as those who tricked SamLondon.

Sorbonne
05-09-14, 10:06
Just see a local on the street and ask her if she needs money.

Tell them you want to go to Odessa and don't mind paying them for their company. This is what I did. Book a room and fuck them happily.A funny report. Glad you weren't slapped.

Just out of curiosity, how much did you pay her for how many days?

Member #4274
05-09-14, 12:23
1, 000s of titushkas and Russians plan provocations in Kyiv on May 9.

http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/05/08/1000s-of-titushkas-and-russians-plan-provocations-in-kyiv/And thats why I am staying clear of the center today. There is a lot one can do in Kyiv that has nothing to do with being in the center. I was in Minsk two years ago for May 9th celebrations and it was a terrific drunk and memorable experience hanging out with my Belarussian friends on Pobedeteli Avenue. This year I will lay low.

How14
05-09-14, 12:49
Location: Outside a hotel next to Rio Striptease and across the road from Club Avalon / Club Ajour. Time 6pm.

Walking back to the hotel. Just pass entrance to Rio and in front of nearby alley, a respectable looking guy bends down and picks up a pile of Euros in a travel exchange plastic wallet and pretends he has just found it there on the floor.

Makes eye contact with me, makes out all innocent and asks "not yours?"

I say No!

He says "Lets go here and we share this between us". And leads me into the alleyway.

He takes out the money and shows me the plastic wallet to confirm that its a proper wad of money.

Just then, we are surprised by a 2nd guy who comes into the alley shouting "Excuse me, Excuse me! I dropped my money, have you guys seen it?

We protest our innocence...What's being a londoner got to do with being streetwise? This little sting you have been part of is a very old scam, and there are a few variations, if you were "streetwise" as you thought you were, you would never fall for this, bet you feel a right mug?

Jojosun
05-09-14, 14:22
Nearly four years ago, I was lucky enough to visit River Palace a half-dozen times before it suddenly closed. Actually, I happened to be there the night before it was shut down for good. Anyway, I kept the numbers of the girls I had met there just in case I ever returned to Kyiv, which I did in October. Out of curiosity, I sent an SMS to a few of them when I arrived to see if they would not only respond but remember me. Of the four, no one responded until yesterday, oddly. 5 months after I sent the texts. However, with so much pussy around I completely forgot I sent those messages back in October.

Anyone else stay in contact with girls they met at River Palace?HI CB,

Glad you are still living the Ukrainian dream. May it last until such time when you think you've had enough.

Your post prompted me to dig up old numbers for RP Girls. Sent an email to one of the girls I met there, but there was no response for many weeks until yesterday.

Times must be hard for them these days as she is asking me to return to Kiev asap.

The only reason I headed to Donetsk instead of Kiev was the barricades in Maidan and the present East v / Kiev divide, so much that my Donetsk girl refused to meet up in Kiev.

Didn't like Donetsk that much but I had good time there. Got out of there in time.

Have fun and stay safe.

EasyEase
05-09-14, 15:02
Hi friends,

I visited Kiev about 10 days ago for a business trip. Haven't been there for the past 3 years. I must say it wasn't a very successful trip this time and I will avoid visiting Kiev in the future and meet with my business partner somewhere else if I can.

I stayed on Krechiatek next to Avalon, the 2 times I came back home late (and a little bit tipsy) there were attempts to rob me by drunk in militia dressed guys (a group of 4-5). If there wasnt my business partner who interfered the 2 times, I am sure I would have got robbed.

As I didn't have access to Mamba due to password issues I had to call devushkas from Top-Modals and Escort-model, the 2 times I asked for girls to come, they where extremely ugly. I met them all in front of the building, gave them 30 Grivna for the Taxi and asked them to go home.

I went with my business partner to a club called Skybar, nice place with very beautiful ladies but I don't thing they were pros, looked to me more like the upper-class devushlas having a nice time.

My business partner invited me to a brothel out of town with approx 5-8 girls, we both chose one each. There was a room with a huge private indoor swimming pool and I took my girl to this room, was fun fucking a girl in the pool and on the pool-side. She had huge titts (which I love) but the lack of English made the situation somehow boring.

I was really looking into that trip since I usually love Kiev. But it didn't work out so well this time for me.

Just my 2 cents.

Easyease

Jojosun
05-09-14, 22:00
Hi friends,

My business partner invited me to a brothel out of town with approx 5-8 girls, we both chose one each. There was a room with a huge private indoor swimming pool and I took my girl to this room, was fun fucking a girl in the pool and on the pool-side. She had huge titts (which I love) but the lack of English made the situation somehow boring.

Just my 2 cents.

EasyeaseName & Address of the club and any other relevant details, prices, please?

Many thanks.

Member #4274
05-09-14, 22:17
HI CB,

Glad you are still living the Ukrainian dream. May it last until such time when you think you've had enough.

Your post prompted me to dig up old numbers for RP Girls. Sent an email to one of the girls I met there, but there was no response for many weeks until yesterday.

Times must be hard for them these days as she is asking me to return to Kiev asap.

The only reason I headed to Donetsk instead of Kiev was the barricades in Maidan and the present East v / Kiev divide, so much that my Donetsk girl refused to meet up in Kiev.

Didn't like Donetsk that much but I had good time there. Got out of there in time.

Have fun and stay safe.Hey Jojo!

Nice to hear from you! Nearly everything I know about mongering I learned from you. If ever you are in Kyiv drop me a line. Fuck going to Donetsk, come to Kyiv. Donetsk is shit compared to Kyiv, you know this. Its strange and unpredictable compared to years past but you have the skills and the knowledge to do well here. World Cup is approaching and I plan on spending a lot of time watching football at pubs, drinking and chasing the local talent. As long as you can stomach me cheering for Germany we should be alright.

SuperLove
05-10-14, 06:53
Mr sorbonne, didn't get slapped even once. I had work in the city and went for a few days there from my trip to russia.

Average was fucking twice a day. Most of the time was a professional who I paid on an average 1000-1200 local for an hour, quality was good say 7. 5-8/10 one two times 9.

On a few occasions I did manage to pick up girls from the street near or on Khreshatyk. I say its very easy. I also tried dating sites and other local agencies but they were all scams. A lot of young girls are distributing fliers of restaurants and massage parlours on the street and are easy target. I offered a couple of girls to come to Odessa with me and they agreed, finally went with 1. Had a great time. Gave her USD 250-300 and she was happy to spend time with me 24x7. I must say Kiev is easy as compared to other places. Don't know if this has changed now. Have fun bro.


A funny report. Glad you weren't slapped.

Just out of curiosity, how much did you pay her for how many days?

BrasilSoccer0
05-10-14, 08:41
Some here quoted 900-1100 UAH for an hour of service! And another one mentioned 1000 UAH for FEW hours!

Sounds a lot. Especially f non pro. I'd like a 500UAH for all night long

Member #4274
05-10-14, 09:53
Some here quoted 900-1100 UAH for an hour of service! And another one mentioned 1000 UAH for FEW hours!

Sounds a lot. Especially f non pro. I'd like a 500UAH for all night long1000 UAH for 2-4 hours with a very attractive university student for me is usual. I've heard some mongers mention 800 and I believe them. 1000 UAH is about 89 USD. Not a bad deal, in my opinion, for a quality evening. 500 UAH for all night? You can't expect to get much for that, I don't think. There might be a babushka at Vokzalna metro station willing, but I can't imagine you'll get more than that.

For 600 UAH (53 USD) I've snagged a pretty, young secretary who just lost her job. I will give her some English practice and she'll fuck my brains out all I want for 600 UAH. However, that deal only comes as I am living here full-time and have already built a rapport or she'd never go for it, I'm sure.

Regardless, 500 UAH for what you are asking for in a city as expensive as Kyiv is unrealistic, in my opinion. You must remember, you get what you pay for. I've heard mongers lamenting that some foreigners over spend and spoil the girls here. I agree. However, if you force them to take much less than what they expect you'll get bad service and no repeat visits. At 1000 UAH I've had some marathon sex sessions with some lovely young women.

Jojosun
05-10-14, 09:58
Hey Jojo!

World Cup is approaching and I plan on spending a lot of time watching football at pubs, drinking and chasing the local talent.Tonight is a good night to mingle with the local talent in a lively bar and cheer the UA entry in the Eurovision. Tick Tock a very catchy song and Ukraine might win it based on protest votes as the Russians were booed and Ukraine have a lot of sympathy votes on their side.

Sorbonne
05-10-14, 10:00
Hi friends,

I visited Kiev about 10 days ago for a business trip. Haven't been there for the past 3 years. I must say it wasn't a very successful trip this time and I will avoid visiting Kiev in the future and meet with my business partner somewhere else if I can.

I stayed on Krechiatek next to Avalon, the 2 times I came back home late (and a little bit tipsy) there were attempts to rob me by drunk in militia dressed guys (a group of 4-5). If there wasnt my business partner who interfered the 2 times, I am sure I would have got robbed.

As I didn't have access to Mamba due to password issues I had to call devushkas from Top-Modals and Escort-model, the 2 times I asked for girls to come, they where extremely ugly. I met them all in front of the building, gave them 30 Grivna for the Taxi and asked them to go home.

I went with my business partner to a club called Skybar, nice place with very beautiful ladies but I don't thing they were pros, looked to me more like the upper-class devushlas having a nice time.

My business partner invited me to a brothel out of town with approx 5-8 girls, we both chose one each. There was a room with a huge private indoor swimming pool and I took my girl to this room, was fun fucking a girl in the pool and on the pool-side. She had huge titts (which I love) but the lack of English made the situation somehow boring.

I was really looking into that trip since I usually love Kiev. But it didn't work out so well this time for me.

Just my 2 cents.

EasyeaseA brothel with a huge indoor swimming pool out of town?

FKK in Ukraine?

Sounds very interesting. Can you tell us the name and the location?

SmilySmartie
05-10-14, 11:41
gorgeous city, just visit for the architecture and museums, no need to spin stories like 'i am her on business'. for ee standards, a southern city with lots of greenery and an easy way of life in summer. rainy today though.

stories that kiev is not the location anymore to meet beautiful girls are plain nonsense. the fellows posting may have gotten older or may not have kept pace with inflation. anyway: scenery is varied, huge and at times stunning. mamba did not work at all for me. in touch cafe not far from arena is nice, lots of girls having fun, saw two wg that were hit upon by 2 not so bad looking foreigners but nothing materialized. fun to watch the posturing while reading a good paper. i get more kicks out of exchanging a view here and there with a regular girl than the jaded looks of the wg. all good fun. also fun to sit at arena outdoors and just watch.

security: in a nutshell, maidan is well organized by non governmental militias. partly neo fascist. lots of berets, breivik style fantasy emblems, crew cuts, very strong guys in military gear, some posing stallone style, others dacha style if you know what i mean. worn plastic slippers, military trousers, beer belly under scrubby shirt. stench of burned tire, no stench of [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). lots of military garb. tents, jumper boots, helmets, sticks, gas masks, wooden pallets. these campers are well equipped. they have their own security organized at maidan, non governmental. so, yes, maidan is not policed. it is a large yet well defined area, and after nightfall, when alcohol gets in the game, the security may fail. just walk quickly and distance yourselves from the paramilitaries. in the daytime, the atmosphere is great, great music, air of tragedy, so many men lost to non sensical posturing. politics of grief: oversize posters of the fallen, mostly men, mostly military garb, must have been a battle. i feel for the victims on both sides.

spent the night just as it should be in kiev, with a 22 yo stunner, less than half my age, slender and sexily clad, class appearance, long black hair, heels and pretty nails, class face, clothing clinging to her body. 1,65m, just the right package. student who did not mind 200 eur extra and a very nice night of chatting, flowers, petting and sex. came 3 times easy easy easy, lots of dfk and licks, covered bj and mish for safety's sake, got to give them safety, but spurted with her pretty hands all over my dick and balls and her face serving as backdrop to my erect penis, while she smiled and stared at me intensely, just as i asked her to do. she enjoyed. willmeet and have her again.

Muddy7
05-10-14, 13:02
These are the new $100 bills

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/525324b06bb3f7446ffdcbc4/check-out-the-sophisticated-features-of-the-new-100-bill.jpg

Can you still the exchange the OLD $100 bills for grivna in Kiev?

Member #4274
05-10-14, 13:36
Mr sorbonne, didn't get slapped even once. I had work in the city and went for a few days there from my trip to russia.

Average was fucking twice a day. Most of the time was a professional who I paid on an average 1000-1200 local for an hour, quality was good say 7. 5-8/10 one two times 9.

On a few occasions I did manage to pick up girls from the street near or on Khreshatyk. I say its very easy. I also tried dating sites and other local agencies but they were all scams. A lot of young girls are distributing fliers of restaurants and massage parlours on the street and are easy target. I offered a couple of girls to come to Odessa with me and they agreed, finally went with 1. Had a great time. Gave her USD 250-300 and she was happy to spend time with me 24x7. I must say Kiev is easy as compared to other places. Don't know if this has changed now. Have fun bro.The conversation about approaching women on the street jogged my memory about a story an American colleague of mine told me over a Guinness a few weeks previous. He told me about a former colleague of his here in Kyiv who was transferred to Odessa. He said as soon as he arrived in Odessa, he checked into his flat and immediately headed to a nearby mall where he began handing out his business cards to all the young women walking by. Whether he realized it or not, he gave his business card to a sixteen year old girl. The girl went home and told her father. The father sent the man a text (pretending to be his daughter) and asked what he wanted. My buddies former colleague said he would help her with money in exchange for sex, if she was interested. The father, a big-wig in Odessa, apparently, contacted our office in Odessa and lodged a severe complaint and showed them the text message exchange. Outraged, our office sacked the man the next morning. Dude wasn't in Odessa for 24-hours and had his ass fired!

My colleague went further and told me the man was later deported out of Ukraine but for something unrelated to what happened in Odessa. No idea why he was deported but it must have been something serverly offensive.

YellowPaul
05-10-14, 14:12
The conversation about approaching women on the street jogged my memory about a story an American colleague of mine told me over a Guinness a few weeks previous. He told me about a former colleague of his here in Kyiv who was transferred to Odessa. He said as soon as he arrived in Odessa, he checked into his flat and immediately headed to a nearby mall where he began handing out his business cards to all the young women walking by. Whether he realized it or not, he gave his business card to a sixteen year old girl. The girl went home and told her father. The father sent the man a text (pretending to be his daughter) and asked what he wanted. My buddies former colleague said he would help her with money in exchange for sex, if she was interested. The father, a big-wig in Odessa, apparently, contacted our office in Odessa and lodged a severe complaint and showed them the text message exchange. Outraged, our office sacked the man the next morning. Dude wasn't in Odessa for 24-hours and had his ass fired!

My colleague went further and told me the man was later deported out of Ukraine but for something unrelated to what happened in Odessa. No idea why he was deported but it must have been something serverly offensive.This story reminded of last year when I was stopped by the cops last year. When my 2 buddies arrived with the 2 girls they had just picked up in the club earlier, the cops asked I'd from everybody and turns out one of the girls was 16 thus creating even a bigger problem. The cops were going to take the 16 year old to jail and crowd formed. In the melee we were able to just walked away.

Leggio1
05-10-14, 15:19
The conversation about approaching women on the street jogged my memory about a story an American colleague of mine told me over a Guinness a few weeks previous. He told me about a former colleague of his here in Kyiv who was transferred to Odessa. He said as soon as he arrived in Odessa, he checked into his flat and immediately headed to a nearby mall where he began handing out his business cards to all the young women walking by. Whether he realized it or not, he gave his business card to a sixteen year old girl. The girl went home and told her father. The father sent the man a text (pretending to be his daughter) and asked what he wanted. My buddies former colleague said he would help her with money in exchange for sex, if she was interested. The father, a big-wig in Odessa, apparently, contacted our office in Odessa and lodged a severe complaint and showed them the text message exchange. Outraged, our office sacked the man the next morning. Dude wasn't in Odessa for 24-hours and had his ass fired!

My colleague went further and told me the man was later deported out of Ukraine but for something unrelated to what happened in Odessa. No idea why he was deported but it must have been something serverly offensive.Sex Ukraine is private. You don't hand out cards and you don't approach women on the street with offers. It's all in the eyes and subliminal messages.

Sorbonne
05-10-14, 18:32
This story reminded of last year when I was stopped by the cops last year. When my 2 buddies arrived with the 2 girls they had just picked up in the club earlier, the cops asked I'd from everybody and turns out one of the girls was 16 thus creating even a bigger problem. The cops were going to take the 16 year old to jail and crowd formed. In the melee we were able to just walked away.A warning story, but I don't understand why it should be a problem to pick up a 16 year old girl at club and walk together on Kiev street, let alone sending her to jail? If this is the case, we simply can't walk with a 16 year old in Kiev.

Muddy7
05-10-14, 18:40
Claims all the photos on their site is real.

http://www.kievintim.com/
http://www.kievprivat.com/

Manny51
05-10-14, 19:25
gorgeous city, just visit for the architecture and museums, no need to spin stories like 'i am her on business'. for ee standards, a southern city with lots of greenery and an easy way of life in summer. rainy today though.

stories that kiev is not the location anymore to meet beautiful girls are plain nonsense. the fellows posting may have gotten older or may not have kept pace with inflation. anyway: scenery is varied, huge and at times stunning. mamba did not work at all for me. in touch cafe not far from arena is nice, lots of girls having fun, saw two wg that were hit upon by 2 not so bad looking foreigners but nothing materialized. fun to watch the posturing while reading a good paper. i get more kicks out of exchanging a view here and there with a regular girl than the jaded looks of the wg. all good fun. also fun to sit at arena outdoors and just watch.

security: in a nutshell, maidan is well organized by non governmental militias. partly neo fascist. lots of berets, breivik style fantasy emblems, crew cuts, very strong guys in military gear, some posing stallone style, others dacha style if you know what i mean. worn plastic slippers, military trousers, beer belly under scrubby shirt. stench of burned tire, no stench of [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). lots of military garb. tents, jumper boots, helmets, sticks, gas masks, wooden pallets. these campers are well equipped. they have their own security organized at maidan, non governmental. so, yes, maidan is not policed. it is a large yet well defined area, and after nightfall, when alcohol gets in the game, the security may fail. just walk quickly and distance yourselves from the paramilitaries. in the daytime, the atmosphere is great, great music, air of tragedy, so many men lost to non sensical posturing. politics of grief: oversize posters of the fallen, mostly men, mostly military garb, must have been a battle. i feel for the victims on both sides.

spent the night just as it should be in kiev, with a 22 yo stunner, less than half my age, slender and sexily clad, class appearance, long black hair, heels and pretty nails, class face, clothing clinging to her body. 1,65m, just the right package. student who did not mind 200 eur extra and a very nice night of chatting, flowers, petting and sex. came 3 times easy easy easy, lots of dfk and licks, covered bj and mish for safety's sake, got to give them safety, but spurted with her pretty hands all over my dick and balls and her face serving as backdrop to my erect penis, while she smiled and stared at me intensely, just as i asked her to do. she enjoyed. willmeet and have her again.i just think its awesome that, even with all that's going on in the ukraine, that punters are still out trying to get action. this is not a critcism, just a chuckling acknowledgement. i can understand why. in my opinon, ukranian women are among the most beautiful in the world, right up there with french-canadian and japanese. its a shame that the wellspring, including kiev and odessa, could be in turmoil soon. pity i probably never shall be able to see it unspoilt. it will be one of those things where people will say "it has never been the same since." forget oil and minerals. women are the ukraine's greatest export.

How14
05-10-14, 20:23
A warning story, but I don't understand why it should be a problem to pick up a 16 year old girl at club and walk together on Kiev street, let alone sending her to jail? If this is the case, we simply can't walk with a 16 year old in Kiev.Well I can see the problem with picking up a 16 year old, its illegal for a start, and why would anyone want to be in company of a 16 year old? It can only bring trouble.

BionicMan
05-10-14, 22:16
A warning story, but I don't understand why it should be a problem to pick up a 16 year old girl at club and walk together on Kiev street, let alone sending her to jail? If this is the case, we simply can't walk with a 16 year old in Kiev.IFO do not know the local juiridical system and law but I can assume.

A) depending on the hour of the night there might be a curfew for people below legal age.

Be) a girl (or two) alone with some more mature foreigners might imply to police that something "illegal" (sex with a minor) was going to happen (but this would have meant sending to jail or to police office the men)

See) the sitaution might have implied a P4P action was going on or about to start and might be that local law prosecute the provider / prostitute.

I think we read over here that often police stops (newly formed) couples checking if they are really a couple of just an occasional one (P4P) when the two are about to enter a building.

Whether it is a scam for bribery or there is some minimum substance to the case it is another story.

Just my two cents.

Member #4491
05-10-14, 22:28
These are the new $100 bills.

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/525324b06bb3f7446ffdcbc4/check-out-the-sophisticated-features-of-the-new-100-bill.jpg

Can you still the exchange the OLD $100 bills for grivna in Kiev?Yes you can.

Member #4491
05-10-14, 22:36
Don't want to stir things out of proportions but got a mess from a well traveled buddy on VK that had a bad experience in Kiev day before yesterday, involving an alleged student in need of gremlins and her giant militia dressed cousins, or maybe it was brothers or boyfriends. He talked himself out of it, but is paranoid now. The cat is away so take it easy with the rats.

B.

YellowPaul
05-10-14, 23:50
IFO do not know the local juiridical system and law but I can assume.

A) depending on the hour of the night there might be a curfew for people below legal age.

Be) a girl (or two) alone with some more mature foreigners might imply to police that something "illegal" (sex with a minor) was going to happen (but this would have meant sending to jail or to police office the men)

See) the sitaution might have implied a P4P action was going on or about to start and might be that local law prosecute the provider / prostitute.

I think we read over here that often police stops (newly formed) couples checking if they are really a couple of just an occasional one (P4P) when the two are about to enter a building.

Whether it is a scam for bribery or there is some minimum substance to the case it is another story.

Just my two cents.All the above reason could be correct. The find day time is not so bad, but going out late at night is another story.

As I read the more and more recent reports of scams directed especially at foreigners, Kiev is off my list. Just not worth the hassle. Seems like most the regular guys who go more frequently are there for work related trips. To go there just for the girls. There are better options.

TheKnight
05-11-14, 00:35
I've been coming to Ukraine for years. I have recently twice been given incorrect change in coffee bars. It was not a mistake.

One time I gave a 200UAH note and my change was 50UAH light. The other time I had to give a 500UAH and they "forgot" to give me a 100.

The bill was correct. I am only talking about the change. It appears most foreigners do not check bills carefully, and it's an easy scam to get away with.

Both times the waitresses did not even look at my bill when I complained. Just immediately went and brought the missing cash.

Gergiev
05-11-14, 03:01
I have a suggestion. If your apartment looks out onto the street, tell the girl that she should call you when she gets to a landmark, a store, a kiosk, anything that you can see directly from your apartment, and call you from there. That way, you can see just who is calling and if she is who you want and who she says she is, you can then answer, go down and meet her and this is also in a public location. The same concept applies if your apartment faces the courtyard. Have her stand somewhere that you can see her clearly.

If it is a shakedown, then while she may still call you, but if you cannot see her, then you have no need to answer the phone. If you do answer and still do not see her, then just ask her to stand where you asked her to stand. If she does not show on that spot or hangs up, then you have been saved from a possible problem. It is not a 100% foolproof but it will help, especially late at night.I like this idea - well thought out, UB!

Leggio1
05-11-14, 03:02
I've been coming to Ukraine for years. I have recently twice been given incorrect change in coffee bars. It was not a mistake.

One time I gave a 200UAH note and my change was 50UAH light. The other time I had to give a 500UAH and they "forgot" to give me a 100.

The bill was correct. I am only talking about the change. It appears most foreigners do not check bills carefully, and it's an easy scam to get away with.

Both times the waitresses did not even look at my bill when I complained. Just immediately went and brought the missing cash.This currently Kiev number one scam, especially so with bartenders. Bring small bills and pay precise. I'm hearing about the want to be gangsters and their devious ideas to part you of your money.

Sorbonne
05-11-14, 07:36
Well I can see the problem with picking up a 16 year old, its illegal for a start, and why would anyone want to be in company of a 16 year old? It can only bring trouble.Not personally interested in 16 year old, but I found it hard to believe that a 16 year old is not allowed to walk with older men in Kiev.

Sorbonne
05-11-14, 07:41
IFO do not know the local juiridical system and law but I can assume.

A) depending on the hour of the night there might be a curfew for people below legal age.

Be) a girl (or two) alone with some more mature foreigners might imply to police that something "illegal" (sex with a minor) was going to happen (but this would have meant sending to jail or to police office the men)

See) the sitaution might have implied a P4P action was going on or about to start and might be that local law prosecute the provider / prostitute.

I think we read over here that often police stops (newly formed) couples checking if they are really a couple of just an occasional one (P4P) when the two are about to enter a building.

Whether it is a scam for bribery or there is some minimum substance to the case it is another story.

Just my two cents.I would say this is happening only recently.

But it is what it is today. I would avoid walking with any girl who looks like a pro.

Sorbonne
05-11-14, 07:44
All the above reason could be correct. The find day time is not so bad, but going out late at night is another story.

As I read the more and more recent reports of scams directed especially at foreigners, Kiev is off my list. Just not worth the hassle. Seems like most the regular guys who go more frequently are there for work related trips. To go there just for the girls. There are better options.I have to wonder what to do in today's climate in Kiev.

I don't have a business in Kiev but have a half-time girlfriend. If I go there, I would like to hang with other girls as well.

Sorbonne
05-11-14, 07:53
I like this idea - well thought out, UB!I'm not sure if it works well. As someone suggested below, male thugs may be with the girl but hiding behind. I mean if the girl comes with thugs, and the girl is asked to call from outside, the thugs will certainly hide behind.

It may be better to wait outside, as someone else suggested below, and check the whole scene. For this purpose there is a good apartment I know of, with a nice cafe right across the street, but it is not in the center.

Muddy7
05-11-14, 13:21
I'm not sure if it works well. As someone suggested below, male thugs may be with the girl but hiding behind. I mean if the girl comes with thugs, and the girl is asked to call from outside, the thugs will certainly hide behind.

It may be better to wait outside, as someone else suggested below, and check the whole scene. For this purpose there is a good apartment I know of, with a nice cafe right across the street, but it is not in the center.You guys may do all this and think its safe and nobody is with her but she can take a toilet break when she is inside the your apt, call the thugs and give them the apt number, then the thugs come to your apt knocking on your door and now you are in a shitty situation... maybe thats one reason mamba is closing accts when they start to write about services and money, maybe alot of shit has happened before

Leggio1
05-11-14, 14:52
You guys may do all this and think its safe and nobody is with her but she can take a toilet break when she is inside the your apt, call the thugs and give them the apt number, then the thugs come to your apt knocking on your door and now you are in a shitty situation. maybe thats one reason mamba is closing accts when they start to write about services and money, maybe alot of shit has happened beforeA move like that would be extremely rare in Ukraine. Most thugs just want to intimidate and have no intention of hurting anybody or getting themselves hurt. Entering a building amplifies their personnel danger 10 fold.

Leggio1
05-11-14, 15:06
Also, I want to add that you should lock your apartment door from the inside and have a nice big knife at hand. I had something like that happen to me in Romania. First thing you got to do is ascert yourself. I grabbed the girls hair and dragged her to the door and told the guys leave the building or I would smash the girls head against the door. Moefoes ran like little pussies. It's amazing the fear that a mid aged man can instill in young punks with every thing to loose.

Manny51
05-11-14, 18:19
You guys may do all this and think its safe and nobody is with her but she can take a toilet break when she is inside the your apt, call the thugs and give them the apt number, then the thugs come to your apt knocking on your door and now you are in a shitty situation. maybe thats one reason mamba is closing accts when they start to write about services and money, maybe alot of shit has happened beforeMan, you guys should get out Ukraine. With the election later this month, from what I can tell on CNN, the country is going to explode. Maybe you know better, since you are on the ground, but it doesn't look good from here. Desperate times make people desperate, and nobody is a better target than a gringo with US dollars and access to them. Donations from the US and Russian governments is the only thing keeping the Ukraine afloat now.

Uke Boy
05-11-14, 18:28
I'm not sure if it works well. As someone suggested below, male thugs may be with the girl but hiding behind. I mean if the girl comes with thugs, and the girl is asked to call from outside, the thugs will certainly hide behind.

It may be better to wait outside, as someone else suggested below, and check the whole scene. For this purpose there is a good apartment I know of, with a nice cafe right across the street, but it is not in the center.As I said, it is not 100% foolproof. But again, you assume the guys are smart. Don't. When they set this up, they expect you to be the idiot, not them. They are thugs and they don't have the brains to figure out that YOU may be watching THEM. If you use a public well-lit location that can be seen from your apartment, the advantage is all yours.

When she makes the call, if she is not there but two thugs, end of story. It is up to you to decide what and how you want to do depending on your location and view. In your case, what I suggested may be a lot of garbage, but maybe for others, it can save someone's ass.

In these uncertain times, the only thing I can say is for someone to use their apartment or location to their strategic advantage. If you choose to be a victim, then that is your choice.

SmilySmartie
05-12-14, 00:09
Taxi drivers always scam. Outrageous charges if you do not fix the price beforehand. Ask them for the fare. They will ask back what you are willing to pay. Then I count to three (in Russian) gesticulating with my fingers, turn around and walk. Then the taxi driver will throw a number at you, which often is acceptable.

Darkish figure tried to sell me football tickets. Likely a scammer. Got a distance between him and me quickly.

SmilySmartie
05-12-14, 00:29
I just think its awesome that, even with all that's going on in the Ukraine, that punters are still out trying to get action. This is not a critcism, just a chuckling acknowledgement. I can understand why. In my opinon, Ukranian women are among the most beautiful in the world, right up there with French-Canadian and Japanese. Its a shame that the wellspring, including Kiev and Odessa, could be in turmoil soon. Pity I probably never shall be able to see it unspoilt. It will be one of those things where people will say "it has never been the same since." Forget oil and minerals. Women are the Ukraine's greatest export.Ukraine will not explode. It is the penniless heavies that make the trouble. But on a wider scale nobody wants war. You are right about Ukraine's crown jewels, the pretty pretty girls. If you have got no game, go to Dolls Mens Club on Chernoarmiskaya. I have been there a while ago. The place has a cover charge of ca. 14 EUR, which is waived if you take a girl to your apartment. Massage is 35 EUR, massage with happy end 70 EUR. Not my piece of cake. All girls are available for outcall. 200 EUR for 2h in your room. Girl can refuse but why would she? About one third of the girls are stunners. So Dolls is a pretty sure bet if you want to see and query your conquest before you ask and have her. Receptionist lady and food serving girls are absolute stunners, petite, great sexy sexy dresses. It is a pretty cool feeling when you have picked a very young stunner, she is waiting for you dressed up like a girlfriend for the taxi ride and the receptionist and the bouncers hand you your coat. They all smile, know what you need and what is going to happen to your young conquest in your room. Sex in the air.

Fijiman
05-12-14, 07:39
Not personally interested in 16 year old, but I found it hard to believe that a 16 year old is not allowed to walk with older men in Kiev.Sex with a 16yr old is legal in most countries.

But paying for sex with a 16 yr old is illegal in most countries.

SuperLove
05-12-14, 08:26
canadian boy, you are bang on. never ever try these things with girls u18. i met one in a similar incident in kiev and soon as i came to know she is **** i withdrew myself from the conversation and walked off. i am sure your frnd was definitely lucky with other girls in the mall.


the conversation about approaching women on the street jogged my memory about a story an american colleague of mine told me over a guinness a few weeks previous. he told me about a former colleague of his here in kyiv who was transferred to odessa. he said as soon as he arrived in odessa, he checked into his flat and immediately headed to a nearby mall where he began handing out his business cards to all the young women walking by. whether he realized it or not, he gave his business card to a sixteen year old girl. the girl went home and told her father. the father sent the man a text (pretending to be his daughter) and asked what he wanted. my buddies former colleague said he would help her with money in exchange for sex, if she was interested. the father, a big-wig in odessa, apparently, contacted our office in odessa and lodged a severe complaint and showed them the text message exchange. outraged, our office sacked the man the next morning. dude wasn't in odessa for 24-hours and had his ass fired!

my colleague went further and told me the man was later deported out of ukraine but for something unrelated to what happened in odessa. no idea why he was deported but it must have been something serverly offensive.

Gentleman Travel
05-12-14, 16:56
There is an unusual amount of discussion of scams and other security issues here, but maybe it is not so unusual.

In my experience, Kiev is a pretty safe place if you are not being stupid. As for bad guys, they usually have bigger fish to fry.

But like in any crisis situation, even a severe storm, people think the normal rules do not apply and their behaviour changes.

Formerly submissive taxi drivers, usually happy just to cheat you on the fare, now wonder if they can actually rob you instead.

Drunken gopniks, formerly content just to drink away their sorrows, now act on their bottle up rage and threaten foreigners.

It will cool down again, but until then we have to be aware that the old rules may have changed and anything can happen!

I will be in Kiev next week and will find out for myself!

GT

Reiner Otto
05-12-14, 22:04
Formerly submissive taxi drivers, usually happy just to cheat you on the fare, now wonder if they can actually rob you instead.
I like that, as it comes closer to the situation during my first vist to UA. 1996. Hopefully, the cost of girls will do that, too.

Sorbonne
05-12-14, 23:46
Also, I want to add that you should lock your apartment door from the inside and have a nice big knife at hand. I had something like that happen to me in Romania. First thing you got to do is ascert yourself. I grabbed the girls hair and dragged her to the door and told the guys leave the building or I would smash the girls head against the door. Moefoes ran like little pussies. It's amazing the fear that a mid aged man can instill in young punks with every thing to loose.Something like this also happened to me in Bucharest, Romania, in 2004, when I was still a novice. I let a girl come into my apartment and said no thanks. When I opened my door to let her out, two local thugs pretending to be police officers stormed into my apartment! Not realizing that they were fake cops, I ended up giving them something like 200 USD.

So it's amazing to me what you did with a knife. Did you have your door locked from inside when this was all happening? So while grabbing the girl inside of your apartment, you yelled at the thugs in the hallway? Is this what was happening? I just want to picture exactly what happened.

Thanks.

Leggio1
05-13-14, 02:21
Something like this also happened to me in Bucharest, Romania, in 2004, when I was still a novice. I let a girl come into my apartment and said no thanks. When I opened my door to let her out, two local thugs pretending to be police officers stormed into my apartment! Not realizing that they were fake cops, I ended up giving them something like 200 USD.

So it's amazing to me what you did with a knife. Did you have your door locked from inside when this was all happening? So while grabbing the girl inside of your apartment, you yelled at the thugs in the hallway? Is this what was happening? I just want to picture exactly what happened.

Thanks.I never displayed or mentioned the knife. It was hidden away and for use if the shit hit the fan. The door was locked from the inside with a key, no latch. All it took was dragging the girl to the door and having her, in addition to myself, tell the guys to leave the building. I'm no tough guy, but grabbing her hair gave notice people were going to get hurt.

Generally speaking, it's just money and who cares, I will make more. None the less, you still have to make judgement calls on the situation. Five gangsters walk up to you on the street and demand your wallet, just give it up. Two thugs get potential access to your apartment in a foreign country, well you better take control and be prepared while you can.

Member #4274
05-13-14, 09:43
Ukraine will not explode. It is the penniless heavies that make the trouble. But on a wider scale nobody wants war. You are right about Ukraine's crown jewels, the pretty pretty girls. If you have got no game, go to Dolls Mens Club on Chernoarmiskaya. I have been there a while ago. The place has a cover charge of ca. 14 EUR, which is waived if you take a girl to your apartment. Massage is 35 EUR, massage with happy end 70 EUR. Not my piece of cake. All girls are available for outcall. 200 EUR for 2h in your room. Girl can refuse but why would she? About one third of the girls are stunners. So Dolls is a pretty sure bet if you want to see and query your conquest before you ask and have her. Receptionist lady and food serving girls are absolute stunners, petite, great sexy sexy dresses. It is a pretty cool feeling when you have picked a very young stunner, she is waiting for you dressed up like a girlfriend for the taxi ride and the receptionist and the bouncers hand you your coat. They all smile, know what you need and what is going to happen to your young conquest in your room. Sex in the air.Not a fan of strip-clubs but you make it sound so inviting. Reminds me of my River Palace experiences during the summer of 2010."Sex is in the air". Classic!

Uke Boy
05-13-14, 18:48
I have mentioned it before, but I do have a pro who I like and enjoy and who I visit from time-to-time. Some habits are just not meant to be broken.

Today, she decided to surprise me and did she ever. When I showed up, she was not alone but with a girlfriend. She is bi and she decided that I deserved a bit more fun, a threesome. She also wanted some bi action for herself and to also reward me with a special day.

Both are hard body good lookers, one with fabulous silicone breasts, the other with an ass to die for. The end result was four hours of unadulterated fun, BBBJ, anal with both and whatever other trio combo you can think of. All in all, a great day that will have me remembering this for a long time to come.

It really does pay to cultivate these relationships, even the paid variety. You never know what can happen.

Member #4274
05-13-14, 20:17
An American friend of mine from Texas but living and working in Dnipropetrovsk came to visit Kyiv yesterday and we met at Lucky Pub to have a few whisky and soda's up on their balcony. I could tell right away there was something wrong with him. I asked him what was up and he denied any problem at first but when I pushed the matter he admitted his long time girlfriend living in the USA had dumped him for another guy and he was understandably miserable about. I have always been baffled how a young, handsome guy would move to Ukraine and still be in a long distance relationship, but love does strange things to a man, especially in one's youth.

I told him to cheer up and that Ukraine was so full of available beauties that he would not be alone for long. He agreed, sighed, we ordered another drink, when an idea that only alcohol can provide sprung into my mind. It was his birthday in three days and I thought I would do something special for him. There was a very cute 21-year old university student who had been on my Facebook for sometime. Her name was Yulia and she had dark hair, dark eyes, olive skin and a very pretty face. Sexy little body, too. She told me a while back that she was looking for a sponsor but between my girlfriend and other pursuits I didn't have time to meet with her. I decided to send her a message immediately. I told her I had a friend looking for a nice girl for a night. I sent her his photo and she agreed immediately. She asked me how much he'd pay and I told her 600 UAH and she once again agreed immediately (to my surprise). However, I told her there was a catch. My buddy would never pay a girl for sex, so she would have to go for dinner with him and seduce him. I told her I would pay her before hand. She laughed, thought I was crazy, and when I increased it to 800 UAH she was game. I reminded her under no circumstances could she tell him that I was paying her to fuck him. She promised, like a good girl.

I told my buddy that I knew a perfect girl for him and after another few drinks he agreed to meet her today. We parted and he seemed to be in a good mood. When I got home I received a text from Yulia. She said she would only meet with my friend if I met with her roommate. Drunk, I agreed immediately. When I asked for a photo of her roommate, Yulia said she her roommate was shy and didn't want to send one. All she said was her roommate, Oxana, was attractive and would take 600 UAH for a few hours and I could pay her for Yulia's time, too.

When I woke this morning I wondered at what I had done. It all seemed like a perfect plan when I was drunk. Now I had a good buddy who would never agree to sex for money doing just that with a girl I had never met. Even worse, I had agreed to meet a mystery woman. What if she was a lump of fat, I thought? If I turn her away she might message Yulia and fuck the entire plan up. I could conceivably stand to lose a buddy. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and I wonder now if its not that road I am walking.

Anyway, Yulia is currently at dinner with my buddy from Texas. He sent me a SMS saying he's very impressed with her. Also, Yulia sent her roommate, Oxana, a photo of me and I promised to meet her in 20 minutes at the Akademmistechko metro station. I just drank a four finger glass of Buffalo Trace to loosen me up. Wish me luck, boys. Taking one for the team tonight, fuck! I'll let you know how it goes.

FiddyCent
05-14-14, 01:34
An American friend of mine from Texas but living and working in Dnipropetrovsk came to visit Kyiv yesterday and we met at Lucky Pub to have a few whisky and soda's up on their balcony. I could tell right away there was something wrong with him. I asked him what was up and he denied any problem at first but when I pushed the matter he admitted his long time girlfriend living in the USA had dumped him for another guy and he was understandably miserable about. I have always been baffled how a young, handsome guy would move to Ukraine and still be in a long distance relationship, but love does strange things to a man, especially in one's youth.

I told him to cheer up and that Ukraine was so full of available beauties that he would not be alone for long. He agreed, sighed, we ordered another drink, when an idea that only alcohol can provide sprung into my mind. It was his birthday in three days and I thought I would do something special for him. There was a very cute 21-year old university student who had been on my Facebook for sometime. Her name was Yulia and she had dark hair, dark eyes, olive skin and a very pretty face. Sexy little body, too. She told me a while back that she was looking for a sponsor but between my girlfriend and other pursuits I didn't have time to meet with her. I decided to send her a message immediately. I told her I had a friend looking for a nice girl for a night. I sent her his photo and she agreed immediately. She asked me how much he'd pay and I told her 600 UAH and she once again agreed immediately (to my surprise). However, I told her there was a catch. My buddy would never pay a girl for sex, so she would have to go for dinner with him and seduce him. I told her I would pay her before hand. She laughed, thought I was crazy, and when I increased it to 800 UAH she was game. I reminded her under no circumstances could she tell him that I was paying her to fuck him. She promised, like a good girl.

I told my buddy that I knew a perfect girl for him and after another few drinks he agreed to meet her today. We parted and he seemed to be in a good mood. When I got home I received a text from Yulia. She said she would only meet with my friend if I met with her roommate. Drunk, I agreed immediately. When I asked for a photo of her roommate, Yulia said she her roommate was shy and didn't want to send one. All she said was her roommate, Oxana, was attractive and would take 600 UAH for a few hours and I could pay her for Yulia's time, too.

When I woke this morning I wondered at what I had done. It all seemed like a perfect plan when I was drunk. Now I had a good buddy who would never agree to sex for money doing just that with a girl I had never met. Even worse, I had agreed to meet a mystery woman. What if she was a lump of fat, I thought? If I turn her away she might message Yulia and fuck the entire plan up. I could conceivably stand to lose a buddy. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and I wonder now if its not that road I am walking.

Anyway, Yulia is currently at dinner with my buddy from Texas. He sent me a SMS saying he's very impressed with her. Also, Yulia sent her roommate, Oxana, a photo of me and I promised to meet her in 20 minutes at the Akademmistechko metro station. I just drank a four finger glass of Buffalo Trace to loosen me up. Wish me luck, boys. Taking one for the team tonight, fuck! I'll let you know how it goes.Hello CanadianBoy.

As Ice Man from Top Gun said,"You could be my wingman anytime". I have been trying to keep up with the latest news and following your posts. Stay safe and all the best with the mystery girl.

FiddyCent

You69Me
05-14-14, 21:27
I was wondering about the cleanness scent of Slavic Women in the Ukraine and Russia.

As they all eat garlic cabbage peppers raw fat and all the vodka they drink to keep warm.

I have been to many eastern European countries.

Most of these people really stink because of what they eat and rarely take a bath.

Please provide your experience.


Hello CanadianBoy.

As Ice Man from Top Gun said,"You could be my wingman anytime". I have been trying to keep up with the latest news and following your posts. Stay safe and all the best with the mystery girl.

FiddyCent

SmilySmartie
05-15-14, 00:18
Not a fan of strip-clubs but you make it sound so inviting. Reminds me of my River Palace experiences during the summer of 2010."Sex is in the air". Classic!I know what you mean, CB, I am also not a fan of strip clubs. When I went there (and I am not associated with Dolls in any way), it was more out of boredom and little time at hand. Full disclaimer: I am totally inexperienced with strip clubs, have been there 4 times in my life if I recall it right. But I went anyway once in Kiev, and it was a great experience for one night. They have dancers until 3 am, a quartet of girls who are not available for outcall. They were really funny, great dance show every half hour or so for a few minutes, well choreographed, beautiful girls which make you smile, even laugh. Then they have a singer, who is also not bad at all, funny and entertaining. And then they have the pole dancers, who are partly boring, but the very young, slender skinny ones capture your fancy. Since I am not totally at ease in strip clubs, and this one very pretty hottie (multiply looks and youth, I thought she was the hottest in the club. She said they sent her to sit with me because I looked foreign = English was not bad, but I am fluent in Russian on a level that I really have game as a Russian literate foreigner. Turns out she was brainy, so I had to have her) unexpectedly told me that she was ready to go with me to my apartment, I gladly agreed to leave the venue and was all over, under and in her for the next few hours, letting go between both pairs of lips with the raincoat donned. But I am not a regular in strip clubs. No pain, no gain, prefer the freebie and semipro scene, even if the hit rate is not 100%. When winning over a young hottie this way, it is all the more awesome and memorable).

FiddyCent
05-15-14, 06:40
I was wondering about the cleanness scent of Slavic Women in the Ukraine and Russia.

As they all eat garlic cabbage peppers raw fat and all the vodka they drink to keep warm.

I have been to many eastern European countries.

Most of these people really stink because of what they eat and rarely take a bath.

Please provide your experience.Hello You69 Me.

I have never been to Russia, but I have been to the Ukraine. I eat what they ate, and did not notice any funky smells. Tastes like Chicken Kiev anyways.

FiddyCent.

Member #4274
05-15-14, 10:46
Ernest Hemingway once said: " Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut."

Anxiously I made my way to the Akademmistechko metro station to meet Oxana, a roommate of the university student I set my buddy up with. I honestly had no idea what to expect. Oxana had my number and sent me a message in Russian which I could barely understand. I replied that it would be better if she wrote in English and when she responded again in Russian I was at a complete loss. I told myself I was meeting this chick for my buddy and would bang her regardless of how she looked. Fuck, not exactly an encouraging thought.

Standing on the platform of Akademmistechko, feeling the warmth of the stiff glass of bourbon I inhaled, I realized in my hast that I had forgotten to take half of a Viagra. So not only was I meeting a mystery girl but I was not prepared for it. I watched as the trains began to roll in. At that time of night there are many trains and many people and there were also many pretty girls and every time one walked in your direction you got excited.

I sent a text to Oxana telling her I was waiting for her. She replied that she had arrived and was looking for me. I stood in the middle of the platform and waited. Finally a tall, slender young woman with bleached blonde hair and a funny smile approached me. She said her name was Oxana. As we walked towards my apartment I got a better look at her. She was cute with a nice figure and an amazing ass for a Ukrainian girl. My one complaint about Ukrainian women is that because they are often so slim, they rarely have an ass. Well, she had a great, firm ass in her jean shorts. I asked her what her age was and she said 19. In my opinion she looked younger. She also told me she went to KPI and studied communications. She asked me if I liked Akademmistechko and I said 'Yeah, its fucking like Paris' and I was pleased that she understood the sarcasm.

We got to my flat and I immediately swallowed some Viagra. I made her a couple martinis and we talked. She was quirky, even strange, and kept speaking to me in Russian. I told her I didn't understand what she was saying but she kept speaking Russian anyway. Watching her smoke at my window, I was impressed with her long legs and that perfectly round ass. The Viagra started to kick in. I told her in Russian she had a nice ass "horosho-ja popa" (My Ukrainian buddies taught me that) and took her into the bedroom. She was blushing. I got her clothes off, admirer her lovely slender figure, stuffed my manhood in her mouth and spent a pleasant two hours enjoying her. She was very submissive and unsure of herself. Normally it takes a lot of work for me to get off but she was so tight and nervous that in minutes I had climaxed. Thirty minutes later we started again and I was finished before I knew it. I figured it was from fucking that lovely, fresh teen ass that excited me so much.

Anyway, I paid her the 600 UAH (we agreed to meet again Friday) and gave her the 800 for Yulia who was with my buddy. My buddy! I had almost forgot about him. I fired off a text message and he said he had a terrific evening and even got laid. He asked me how I knew this girl and I answered that she was a friend of a friend. He thanked me and said how much he loved Kyiv and I should come to DP soon to visit him. 'Happy Birthday, Fucker!' I wrote back.

FiddyCent
05-15-14, 13:47
Ernest Hemingway once said: " Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut."

Anxiously I made my way to the Akademmistechko metro station to meet Oxana, a roommate of the university student I set my buddy up with. I honestly had no idea what to expect. Oxana had my number and sent me a message in Russian which I could barely understand. I replied that it would be better if she wrote in English and when she responded again in Russian I was at a complete loss. I told myself I was meeting this chick for my buddy and would bang her regardless of how she looked. Fuck, not exactly an encouraging thought.

Standing on the platform of Akademmistechko, feeling the warmth of the stiff glass of bourbon I inhaled, I realized in my hast that I had forgotten to take half of a Viagra. So not only was I meeting a mystery girl but I was not prepared for it. I watched as the trains began to roll in. At that time of night there are many trains and many people and there were also many pretty girls and every time one walked in your direction you got excited.

I sent a text to Oxana telling her I was waiting for her. She replied that she had arrived and was looking for me. I stood in the middle of the platform and waited. Finally a tall, slender young woman with bleached blonde hair and a funny smile approached me. She said her name was Oxana. As we walked towards my apartment I got a better look at her. She was cute with a nice figure and an amazing ass for a Ukrainian girl. My one complaint about Ukrainian women is that because they are often so slim, they rarely have an ass. Well, she had a great, firm ass in her jean shorts. I asked her what her age was and she said 19. In my opinion she looked younger. She also told me she went to KPI and studied communications. She asked me if I liked Akademmistechko and I said 'Yeah, its fucking like Paris' and I was pleased that she understood the sarcasm.

We got to my flat and I immediately swallowed some Viagra. I made her a couple martinis and we talked. She was quirky, even strange, and kept speaking to me in Russian. I told her I didn't understand what she was saying but she kept speaking Russian anyway. Watching her smoke at my window, I was impressed with her long legs and that perfectly round ass. The Viagra started to kick in. I told her in Russian she had a nice ass "horosho-ja popa" (My Ukrainian buddies taught me that) and took her into the bedroom. She was blushing. I got her clothes off, admirer her lovely slender figure, stuffed my manhood in her mouth and spent a pleasant two hours enjoying her. She was very submissive and unsure of herself. Normally it takes a lot of work for me to get off but she was so tight and nervous that in minutes I had climaxed. Thirty minutes later we started again and I was finished before I knew it. I figured it was from fucking that lovely, fresh teen ass that excited me so much.

Anyway, I paid her the 600 UAH (we agreed to meet again Friday) and gave her the 800 for Yulia who was with my buddy. My buddy! I had almost forgot about him. I fired off a text message and he said he had a terrific evening and even got laid. He asked me how I knew this girl and I answered that she was a friend of a friend. He thanked me and said how much he loved Kyiv and I should come to DP soon to visit him. 'Happy Birthday, Fucker!' I wrote back.Hello CB.

Does your friend know about this forum? He might be reading this.

FiddyCent.

Prosal
05-15-14, 14:08
I told him to cheer up and that Ukraine was so full of available beauties that he would not be alone for long.The ratio of truly hot girls is the same in Dnipro than in Kiev and the White God Factor (or let's say the Western trump card) is definitely higher. Strange that living there, he doesn't know that.

Prosal
05-15-14, 14:14
Most of these people really stink because of what they eat and rarely take a bath.You must be joking. Slavic women are by far the cleanest women on the planet. Pratically fanatical about cleanliness.

Anyway, Borsch, home brewed beer and dry fish. A perfect lunch for me.

Leggio1
05-15-14, 17:08
You must be joking. Slavic women are by far the cleanest women on the planet. Pratically fanatical about cleanliness.

Anyway, Borsch, home brewed beer and dry fish. A perfect lunch for me.Actually, that's not true. The stink factor in some of the MILFs can truly be horrendous once they are no longer sex profitable.

Member #4274
05-15-14, 17:28
The ratio of truly hot girls is the same in Dnipro than in Kiev and the White God Factor (or let's say the Western trump card) is definitely higher. Strange that living there, he doesn't know that.Its not that he doesn't know that. He knows it quite well. Actually, he believes there are more beauties in DP than in Kyiv. The point is, he was despondent and not thinking about other women. I was attempting to console him.

Misterxxx
05-15-14, 18:16
You must be joking. Slavic women are by far the cleanest women on the planet. Pratically fanatical about cleanliness.It means you just met good looking professional girls and students who didn't see the university since a decade. Girls with iPhone, rich friends and a passport full of stamps from all over the world. Normal ukrainian girls don't have the money for expensive perfume or a good deodorant. And even if they own it, they just use it for a "date". Not for every day. This is the simple truth.

Prosal
05-15-14, 18:29
Normal ukrainian girls don't have the money for expensive perfume or a good deodorant. And even if they own it, they just use it for a "date". Not for every day. This is the simple truth.Ok. I won't argue with someone who knows so much about Ukraine and slavic women.

That said, FYI, I'm very often in the provinces, know a lot of girls / women who earn at best 250€/ month but who are fanatical about their hygiene. Cleanliness is a question of self-respect, not of money.

Good luck with your tramps.

Uke Boy
05-15-14, 18:47
It means you just met good looking professional girls and students who didn't see the university since a decade. Girls with iPhone, rich friends and a passport full of stamps from all over the world. Normal Ukrainian girls don't have the money for expensive perfume or a good deodorant. And even if they own it, they just use it for a "date". Not for every day. This is the simple truth.Actually, you have no idea of the truth.

I have been here a long time and I have met and enjoyed many nights with Ukrainian, Belarus and Russian girls wherever I have traveled, inside and outside Ukraine. None have been anywhere near any of your ridiculous stereotypes. I don't know who you have met but you may well be a bottom feeder for all I know.

All the girls I have ever met were clean, hygienic, showered or bathed, kept themselves in the best shape they could afford. At the very least, normal Ukrainian girls use a good deodorant and a normal priced perfume. There really is no need for many of them to use the more expensive perfumes or deodorants if you have even entered any stores here that sell cosmetics and perfumes for the masses. The lower-priced ones, mostly from Europe or US brands do the same job.

I really don't know what world you inhabit with your version of normal girls here but they sure are not in my universe, and I live here.

YellowPaul
05-15-14, 19:00
Actually, you have no idea of the truth.

I have been here a long time and I have met and enjoyed many nights with Ukrainian, Belarus and Russian girls wherever I have traveled, inside and outside Ukraine. None have been anywhere near any of your ridiculous stereotypes. I don't know who you have met but you may well be a bottom feeder for all I know.

All the girls I have ever met were clean, hygienic, showered or bathed, kept themselves in the best shape they could afford. At the very least, normal Ukrainian girls use a good deodorant and a normal priced perfume. There really is no need for many of them to use the more expensive perfumes or deodorants if you have even entered any stores here that sell cosmetics and perfumes for the masses. The lower-priced ones, mostly from Europe or US brands do the same job.

I really don't know what world you inhabit with your version of normal girls here but they sure are not in my universe, and I live here.Totally agree. Every single Ukrainian women I have ever been takes 2-3 showers a day if possible and is more hygienic then women other parts of the world I have been too.

My only hesitation is that Ukrainian women are more less likely to use a condoms especially if you insist on not using it they will agree , that's why STD's is big problem there.

Member #4274
05-15-14, 19:26
Actually, you have no idea of the truth.

I have been here a long time and I have met and enjoyed many nights with Ukrainian, Belarus and Russian girls wherever I have traveled, inside and outside Ukraine. None have been anywhere near any of your ridiculous stereotypes. I don't know who you have met but you may well be a bottom feeder for all I know.

All the girls I have ever met were clean, hygienic, showered or bathed, kept themselves in the best shape they could afford. At the very least, normal Ukrainian girls use a good deodorant and a normal priced perfume. There really is no need for many of them to use the more expensive perfumes or deodorants if you have even entered any stores here that sell cosmetics and perfumes for the masses. The lower-priced ones, mostly from Europe or US brands do the same job.

I really don't know what world you inhabit with your version of normal girls here but they sure are not in my universe, and I live here.I agree with Uke Boy completely. I have dated regular Belarusian and Ukrainian girls and they are almost always clean, smelling good and presentable. My Ukrainian girlfriend here in Kyiv takes two showers a day. I was on a date with a very sexy Belarussian woman one time and she had B O. However, that was an anomaly. I still would've fucked the shit out of her if I had the chance.

Misterxxx
05-15-14, 19:27
Actually, you have no idea of the truth.

I have been here a long time and I have met and enjoyed many nights with Ukrainian, Belarus and Russian girls wherever I have traveled, inside and outside Ukraine. None have been anywhere near any of your ridiculous stereotypes. I don't know who you have met but you may well be a bottom feeder for all I know.

All the girls I have ever met were clean, hygienic, showered or bathed, kept themselves in the best shape they could afford. At the very least, normal Ukrainian girls use a good deodorant and a normal priced perfume. There really is no need for many of them to use the more expensive perfumes or deodorants if you have even entered any stores here that sell cosmetics and perfumes for the masses. The lower-priced ones, mostly from Europe or US brands do the same job.

I really don't know what world you inhabit with your version of normal girls here but they sure are not in my universe, and I live here.Well. You wrote that your last "girl" had silicone breasts. Do you think a normal ukrainian girl has silicone breasts...? Or even money for that...? Striptease girls or girlfriends of "rich guys" have silicone breasts. But not normal girls. Not normal students. Your horizon is the upper class. Or the girls who want to belong to that class. But this has nothing to do with the every day life in Kiev or the Ukraine. Two of my past 17 years I spend in the Ukraine. So I know what I'm talking about.

Member #4491
05-15-14, 22:06
What goes in, goes out. I know a pretty girl who eats a lot of pig, and that is reflecting in "her smell". Pig being digested-smell, mixed with pretty girl smell. Anyone wants her phone number? LOL.

Every monger that has had a real deep kiss of the dried fish and rice breath in Philippines will know that not even 25 showers a day will hide the fact that the inside is never shampooed.

The polluted air of places like Kharkov can sometimes make the skin a bit dirty as well.

Dog breath is everywhere, but the chain smoking, coffee drinking hoes in Kiev are sometimes a bit too blasé to bother to even cover that smell with a chewing gum. Had that a couple of times, when I misjudged the innocence of a Mamba visitor.

But all in all I think the inside often reflected the outside. The pure girls that one can love, smell pure. The dirty minded corrupt vultures smells like they deserve. So maybe take a deep breath of yourself and see what smell your life decisions renders you.

B

SamLondon
05-16-14, 01:19
What's being a londoner got to do with being streetwise? This little sting you have been part of is a very old scam, and there are a few variations, if you were "streetwise" as you thought you were, you would never fall for this, bet you feel a right mug?I have to confess that I felt like a total Dic'head after the event. Have you ever replayed a sports-match in your mind and wished you'd have played a different shot?

But they were good, very good! I wasn't even high on anything at the time.

Fortunately, this website is helping me out of my naive middle aged years!

The pro-scammers must be targeting the area around Rio Strip club and Avalon. Its a very well heeled area with plenty of low hanging fresh new dollars around.

Avalon did prove to be a fruitful hunting ground ($200 for the night), but they were all seasoned pros.

I prefer meeting really new and fresh girls, even at a much higher price bracket, something that Kiev should have in abundance!

As I have only been there the once, I would very much appreciate any suggestions or shared experience of where and how?

BrasilSoccer0
05-16-14, 03:10
Prosal,

You mention 250 euros / month as top wage in provinces. Wikipedia cites 1218 hryvna / month as of January 2014. That's just 77 euros.

Can you elaborate? What jobs pays what salaries and which oblasts? From my research the eastern oblasts have stronger industries and was wondering if they paid better. Of course the current political drama could affect the wages.


Ok. I won't argue with someone who knows so much about Ukraine and slavic women.

That said, FYI, I'm very often in the provinces, know a lot of girls / women who earn at best 250/ month but who are fanatical about their hygiene. Cleanliness is a question of self-respect, not of money.

Good luck with your tramps.

Russel4339
05-16-14, 08:39
I was wondering about the cleanness scent of Slavic Women in the Ukraine and Russia.

As they all eat garlic cabbage peppers raw fat and all the vodka they drink to keep warm.

I have been to many eastern European countries.

Most of these people really stink because of what they eat and rarely take a bath.

Please provide your experience.I have lived in the Ukraine for many years. Ukrainian women pride themselves on their looks and cleanliness has never been a problem that I have noticed. This goes for professionals, regular non-professional ladies, etc. It is very rare to find a woman who has any issue with odor. (Much more likely to find men with this problem).

Also. Most of the women I know don't drink a lot of vodka. (More typically wine or Martini).

If you do run across such a lady. Hey, that is what the shower in your apartment / hotel room is for (in fact, a majority of time, they will want to take a shower when they arrive anyway).

Russel4339
05-16-14, 08:51
Prosal,

You mention 250 euros / month as top wage in provinces. Wikipedia cites 1218 hryvna / month as of January 2014. That's just 77 euros.

Can you elaborate? What jobs pays what salaries and which oblasts? From my research the eastern oblasts have stronger industries and was wondering if they paid better. Of course the current political drama could affect the wages.Here is what I know about typical wages in the Ukraine (well, eastern Ukraine):

An average government / administrative type worker will make about $200-$250 a month. This is considered good enough money to live on. The deflation of the currency has reduced this a lot.

Public professions do pay much. For example, the wage for the average fireman is about $225 a month. This is true for the average policeman also, but anyone who has dealt with them on the highways he has ways of supplementing his income...

Doctors make about $1000 a month. Nurses about $350. (Or course, doctors, like policeman, supplement their salary).

The are good professions like IT, where workers can make good money from $600 - $4000 a month. (And normally tied to the dollar so currency inflation is not an issue).

Typically, though - $500 - $600 a month (take home) would be considered a good wage from what I know in the Ukraine.

Sorbonne
05-16-14, 10:36
I was wondering about the cleanness scent of Slavic Women in the Ukraine and Russia.

As they all eat garlic cabbage peppers raw fat and all the vodka they drink to keep warm.

I have been to many eastern European countries.

Most of these people really stink because of what they eat and rarely take a bath.

Please provide your experience.I'm afraid you kept meeting only Gypsies in East Europe.

That said, Gypsie women may be clean, too, but I haven't smelled them; I've only seen them.

I've been impressed with how quickly and well Ukrainian girls clean up themselves, even after chain smoking and boozing. I guess you don't need perfumes or deodorant to stay clean, let alone expensive ones.

Just my two cents.

How14
05-16-14, 12:05
I have to confess that I felt like a total Dic'head after the event. Have you ever replayed a sports-match in your mind and wished you'd have played a different shot?

But they were good, very good! I wasn't even high on anything at the time.

Fortunately, this website is helping me out of my naive middle aged years!

The pro-scammers must be targeting the area around Rio Strip club and Avalon. Its a very well heeled area with plenty of low hanging fresh new dollars around.

Avalon did prove to be a fruitful hunting ground ($200 for the night), but they were all seasoned pros.

I prefer meeting really new and fresh girls, even at a much higher price bracket, something that Kiev should have in abundance!

As I have only been there the once, I would very much appreciate any suggestions or shared experience of where and how?You won't need any suggestions or guidance Sam, once your "streetwise" senses kick in, you will be fine.

Uke Boy
05-16-14, 14:35
Well. You wrote that your last "girl" had silicone breasts. Do you think a normal ukrainian girl has silicone breasts...? Or even money for that...? Striptease girls or girlfriends of "rich guys" have silicone breasts. But not normal girls. Not normal students. Your horizon is the upper class. Or the girls who want to belong to that class. But this has nothing to do with the every day life in Kiev or the Ukraine. Two of my past 17 years I spend in the Ukraine. So I know what I'm talking about.I see you have serious language difficulties. I said that the silicone lady was a pro. That does put her into another class.

I have spent the last 20 years plus here, quite a few more than you. I have met and bedded a great many non-pros and normal regular girls, all shapes, sizes and classes in my time here, and I still do, and not one had a problem with hygiene. I don't know who you have met but you definitely know the bottom of the barrel it seems, and nothing else.

Member #4274
05-16-14, 17:01
I'm on vacation now and have been spending the week 'grounding and pounding', as former MLB player Jeff Kent once said. I had a late lunch at a tradition Ukrainian restaurant called 'Taras' in Nivki before going for a walk around the area. Saw two very pretty university students walking and talking. I stopped them, made small talk and gave them my mobile number saying if they needed to earn some extra cash, call me. They smiled very politely and even thanked me.

An hour later I met Oxana at my apartment. She's the 19-year old university student I met a few days back. Strange girl. She insists on speaking Russian and is very animated (in a pleasant way) about everything. She showed up looking sexy in tight jeans and heels. However, its only my second time with her and she's already becoming lazy about sex. Wasn't thrilled about sucking on me (but I insisted) and didn't seemed pleased about doggy style either. Regardless, I gave it to her pretty good and got off twice in an hour no problem. Her pussy is very tight and once I get going its tough not to finish. She wanted to stick around and relaxed but I sent her on her way. She was starting to drive me crazy. Weird girl. I paid her 600 UAH.

Anyway, she allowed me to take a photo of her without any problem. I was surprised considering her shyness about her body. Nice, tight 19-year old for you, boys! Her ass is actually her best feature. Its amazing. Unfortunately she fell on it last night when she was drunk with her friends leaving a sizeable bruise.

Jojosun
05-18-14, 14:03
What goes in, goes out. I know a pretty girl who eats a lot of pig, and that is reflecting in "her smell". Pig being digested-smell, mixed with pretty girl smell. Anyone wants her phone number? LOL.
But all in all I think the inside often reflected the outside. The pure girls that one can love, smell pure. The dirty minded corrupt vultures smells like they deserve. So maybe take a deep breath of yourself and see what smell your life decisions renders you.

B"What goes in, goes out"the inside often reflected the outside". Very well said Barba.

But rather than taking a deep breath of one's self, you should stick your finger in the Ear Hole &check the Ear Wax of your Next Ukrainian date before you stick your fingers and you dick in her other holes.

Diet and Hygiene habits can play a part, but research has shown that whether the body smells or not is Genetic.

Here is the simple test to find out if your girl smells. Look at her Ear Wax. Medical research has shown, people who have Dry rather Sticky Wax are very likely to have ABCC11 gene variant, which means that their body odour doesn't smell.

As for the use or not of Deodorants by Ukrainian & Russian women, only last month Cameron Diaz reignited the debate on (to deo, or not to Deo) ie before the debate here on ISG, when she mentioned that she hasn't worn antiperspirant for almost 20 years.

Another legend Julia Roberts also prefer life au naturel.

I've found most Girls who worked in Perfumery & cosmetics have healthy skin & smell great, besides you save money by not buying them perfumes. Any monies saved, you can spend it on booze & clubbing which they love to do. But to get into their circuit, you need to seduce the first girl. And if she is BI as I've found most of them are, you are in for a great time.

If you have the time, why not cruise perfumery sections in busy well known stores in Kiev.

As for the generalization that Slavic People usually "Smell " Retired British tennis player Tim Henman has been fending off criticism for comments that Czech tennis players are a bit smelly. The comments came when Henman was asked to reveal any gossip from his years as a competitor at the Wimbledon tennis championships. Henman responded by stating ""Well, the Czechs are a bit niffy." Jan Winkler, the Czech ambassador in London expressed his irritation noting "What a surprise Tim Henman has had the time to do so much research into the smell of the male body."

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Member #4274
05-18-14, 19:53
"What goes in, goes out"the inside often reflected the outside". Very well said Barba.

But rather than taking a deep breath of one's self, you should stick your finger in the Ear Hole &check the Ear Wax of your Next Ukrainian date before you stick your fingers and you dick in her other holes.

Diet and Hygiene habits can play a part, but research has shown that whether the body smells or not is Genetic.

Here is the simple test to find out if your girl smells. Look at her Ear Wax. Medical research has shown, people who have Dry rather Sticky Wax are very likely to have ABCC11 gene variant, which means that their body odour doesn't smell.

As for the use or not of Deodorants by Ukrainian & Russian women, only last month Cameron Diaz reignited the debate on (to deo, or not to Deo) ie before the debate here on ISG, when she mentioned that she hasn't worn antiperspirant for almost 20 years.

Another legend Julia Roberts also prefer life au naturel.

I've found most Girls who worked in Perfumery & cosmetics have healthy skin & smell great, besides you save money by not buying them perfumes. Any monies saved, you can spend it on booze & clubbing which they love to do. But to get into their circuit, you need to seduce the first girl. And if she is BI as I've found most of them are, you are in for a great time.

If you have the time, why not cruise perfumery sections in busy well known stores in Kiev.

As for the generalization that Slavic People usually "Smell " Retired British tennis player Tim Henman has been fending off criticism for comments that Czech tennis players are a bit smelly. The comments came when Henman was asked to reveal any gossip from his years as a competitor at the Wimbledon tennis championships. Henman responded by stating ""Well, the Czechs are a bit niffy." Jan Winkler, the Czech ambassador in London expressed his irritation noting "What a surprise Tim Henman has had the time to do so much research into the smell of the male body."Jojo,

So, how would that go?

"Hey, Olga / Oxana / Alena / etc.' would you like to try the Georgian Saperavi tonight? Its quite good, I've had it before. Oh, by the way, can I have a sample of your earwax, dear? Yes, that's correct, dear, your earwax. Why? Oh, no reason. I use to be a doctor and am curious about such things. No? Dear, this date doesn't go any further until I can see the product of your ears. Wait ... Where are you going? Huh? What do you mean I'm retarded? We prefer to be called mentally challenged, thank you. Baby, come back! Baby, it was only a joke! Baby.. ! Fuck, I'm going to murder Jojo!

Jojosun
05-18-14, 20:41
Jojo,

So, how would that go?

"Hey, Olga / Oxana / Alena / etc.' would you like to try the Georgian Saperavi tonight? Its quite good, I've had it before. Oh, by the way, can I have a sample of your earwax, dear? Yes, that's correct, dear, your earwax. Why? Oh, no reason. I use to be a doctor and am curious about such things. No? Dear, this date doesn't go any further until I can see the product of your ears. Wait ... Where are you going? Huh? What do you mean I'm retarded? We prefer to be called mentally challenged, thank you. Baby, come back! Baby, it was only a joke! Baby.. ! Fuck, I'm going to murder Jojo!Haven't you had girls sticking their tongues in your ear hole before? Do the same to them and see if anything of color comes out. Yellow&Sticky, then you're Home& Dry.

You would be a great magnet for Perfumery&Cosmetics girls in helping them with their English as many of them work for international brands and have their sights on working or training in English speaking countries. That's what few if them told me and that's how EE girls mainly Polish found work in the best stores in London by being fluent in English. BTW none of them was interested in learning French. I guess Paris or Montreal is not on their Radar.

Member #4491
05-18-14, 22:06
Ear wax is in fact just brain slowly seeping out.

Epicurus
05-21-14, 15:43
Name & Address of the club and any other relevant details, prices, please?

Many thanks.That could be ambrazura. They usually have about 8 to 10 girls present. Prices start at 800 grivna for an hour. Ambrazura.com.ua. Nice place, quality of the girls varies.

Epicurus
05-21-14, 17:12
I'm on vacation now and have been spending the week 'grounding and pounding', as former MLB player Jeff Kent once said. I had a late lunch at a tradition Ukrainian restaurant called 'Taras' in Nivki before going for a walk around the area. Saw two very pretty university students walking and talking. I stopped them, made small talk and gave them my mobile number saying if they needed to earn some extra cash, call me. They smiled very politely and even thanked me.

An hour later I met Oxana at my apartment. She's the 19-year old university student I met a few days back. Strange girl. She insists on speaking Russian and is very animated (in a pleasant way) about everything. She showed up looking sexy in tight jeans and heels. However, its only my second time with her and she's already becoming lazy about sex. Wasn't thrilled about sucking on me (but I insisted) and didn't seemed pleased about doggy style either. Regardless, I gave it to her pretty good and got off twice in an hour no problem. Her pussy is very tight and once I get going its tough not to finish. She wanted to stick around and relaxed but I sent her on her way. She was starting to drive me crazy. Weird girl. I paid her 600 UAH.

Anyway, she allowed me to take a photo of her without any problem. I was surprised considering her shyness about her body. Nice, tight 19-year old for you, boys! Her ass is actually her best feature. Its amazing. Unfortunately she fell on it last night when she was drunk with her friends leaving a sizeable bruise.Also been with her. She indeed is very lively and she talks a bit funny. Had a great time with her. She charged me 1000 hrivna though. She did not pay attention to the time tho, all in all I had her for about 2 hours, and left when I asked her to leave, because a different girl was about to come.

Funn thing is that when she was with me, in February, she was also bruised. She told me she fell out of a window from the second floor...

I have never approached girls asking them if they want to earn some extra money. How do you bring up that subject into the conversation? You speak Russian?

Jojosun
05-21-14, 18:00
That could be ambrazura. They usually have about 8 to 10 girls present. Prices start at 800 grivna for an hour. Ambrazura.com.ua. Nice place, quality of the girls varies.Thank you Epicurus for the link. Never heard of this place mentioned before.

Have you actually been there?

Strange names for their services translated as follows.

Distract machine gunner 30 minutes 800 UAH.

Sturm loopholes from the Western Front 30 minutes 650 UAH.

Storming the loopholes on the rising edge 1:00 800 UAH.

The siege of the loopholes in the rear 1:00 1000 UAH.

Ms. Insidious loophole 1:00 1000 UAH.

"golden rain" + 200 UAH.

Distract the two fighters.

WTF, Double Dutch kinda of Gibberish difficult 2 comprehend or 2 Decipher. Nothing about Storming a Pussy.

Are they located on Maidan behind some kind of barricades?

Sorbonne
05-21-14, 21:08
Thank you Epicurus for the link. Never heard of this place mentioned before.

Have you actually been there?

Strange names for their services translated as follows.

Distract machine gunner 30 minutes 800 UAH.

Sturm loopholes from the Western Front 30 minutes 650 UAH.

Storming the loopholes on the rising edge 1:00 800 UAH.

The siege of the loopholes in the rear 1:00 1000 UAH.

Ms. Insidious loophole 1:00 1000 UAH.

"golden rain" + 200 UAH.

Distract the two fighters.

WTF, Double Dutch kinda of Gibberish difficult 2 comprehend or 2 Decipher. Nothing about Storming a Pussy.

Are they located on Maidan behind some kind of barricades?

This establishment was mentioned here on this thread several months ago, causing quite a stir, although I think the name was spelled a little differently.

Or maybe they are two different establishments.

Epicurus
05-21-14, 23:31
Thank you Epicurus for the link. Never heard of this place mentioned before.

Have you actually been there?

Strange names for their services translated as follows.

Distract machine gunner 30 minutes 800 UAH.

Sturm loopholes from the Western Front 30 minutes 650 UAH.

Storming the loopholes on the rising edge 1:00 800 UAH.

The siege of the loopholes in the rear 1:00 1000 UAH.

Ms. Insidious loophole 1:00 1000 UAH.

"golden rain" + 200 UAH.

Distract the two fighters.

WTF, Double Dutch kinda of Gibberish difficult 2 comprehend or 2 Decipher. Nothing about Storming a Pussy.

Are they located on Maidan behind some kind of barricades?What can I say. Ukrainians have a way with words. Yeah I've been there. It's in the west of Kiev in a mansion / villa. About 30 minutes from the center by taxi. About 50 grivnas if you call the taxi operator and about 60 to 70 if you hail a cab.

The atmosphere is less seedy than the apartments in the center. The girls all live there and rotate every week, at least that is what they told me.

The hostess / madam also changes not all can speak English.

Once you arrive at the villa, you have to call them to be allowed to enter. You are led to the hall, asked for a drink (coffee was free, but had to pay for a bottled water) and explained the menu, classic 800 hrivna, anal extra 200 hrivna, etc... Then the available girls are asked to positiom themselves on the staircase in lingerie and they introduce themselves. You can ask them some questions (who does anal, who likes to partner with which girl for a lesbi show or trio, etc...). Once ypu pick the girl you can choose the room, 200 grivna extra for the loft with jacuzzi, take a shower and then to the place where the magic happens. Only tried it twice, didn't go to the swimmingpool area. They all were very friendly and eager. Enjoyed myself. Before you know it a couple of hours have passed.

One of the things i like a lot is the escort service. They are the only ones I know who truly operate 24/7. So if you have morning wood and no dyevushka around to do something with it, you can give them a call and within an hour the fun can begin.

The girls who work there are from out of town. They work there a week and then they go home for a week.

How14
05-21-14, 23:59
Does anybody know how much it costs for a Ukrainian passport? I have recently met a girl who is willing to come to Spain with me but she has no passport, she asked for $100 dollars, is this about right? Also what is the time scale?

Which brings me to my second question, I was recently in Spain on the Costa Brava, and I noticed there were lots of Ukrainians / Russians all over the place, I spoke to some Ukrainians who told me they flew from Kiev. When I got home I realised that Wizzair fly to Girona, does anybody know how to obtain a visa for this purpose? Is it shengen or tourist or?

Its my intention to bring the girl to Spain, so, hope you guys can shine some light on this.

YellowPaul
05-22-14, 03:01
Does anybody know how much it costs for a Ukrainian passport? I have recently met a girl who is willing to come to Spain with me but she has no passport, she asked for $100 dollars, is this about right? Also what is the time scale?

Which brings me to my second question, I was recently in Spain on the Costa Brava, and I noticed there were lots of Ukrainians / Russians all over the place, I spoke to some Ukrainians who told me they flew from Kiev. When I got home I realised that Wizzair fly to Girona, does anybody know how to obtain a visa for this purpose? Is it shengen or tourist or?

Its my intention to bring the girl to Spain, so, hope you guys can shine some light on this.They need a schengen visa.

I'm meeting 2 girls in Barcelona for 4 days each in July. One is a 26 year old blonde from Kiev and the other is a 21 year old brunette from Moscow.

Misterxxx
05-22-14, 08:53
Does anybody know how much it costs for a Ukrainian passport? I have recently met a girl who is willing to come to Spain with me but she has no passport, she asked for $100 dollars, is this about right? Also what is the time scale?

Which brings me to my second question, I was recently in Spain on the Costa Brava, and I noticed there were lots of Ukrainians / Russians all over the place, I spoke to some Ukrainians who told me they flew from Kiev. When I got home I realised that Wizzair fly to Girona, does anybody know how to obtain a visa for this purpose? Is it shengen or tourist or?

Its my intention to bring the girl to Spain, so, hope you guys can shine some light on this.No. Not it's not 100 dollars.

Fast (10 working days) 634 UAH = 54 dollars.

Slowly (30 working days) 377 UAH = 32 dollars.

http://www.passport-ua.org/ua/

Jojosun
05-22-14, 12:13
What can I say. Ukrainians have a way with words. Yeah I've been there. It's in the west of Kiev in a mansion / villa. About 30 minutes from the center by taxi. About 50 grivnas if you call the taxi operator and about 60 to 70 if you hail a cab.

The atmosphere is less seedy than the apartments in the center. The girls all live there and rotate every week, at least that is what they told me.

The hostess / madam also changes not all can speak English.

Once you arrive at the villa, you have to call them to be allowed to enter. You are led to the hall, asked for a drink (coffee was free, but had to pay for a bottled water) and explained the menu, classic 800 hrivna, anal extra 200 hrivna, etc... Then the available girls are asked to positiom themselves on the staircase in lingerie and they introduce themselves. You can ask them some questions (who does anal, who likes to partner with which girl for a lesbi show or trio, etc...)...Thanks again for the details. This sounds a very good deal for Kiev. A Ukrainian PlayBoy mansion or FKK style of club.

It sounds similar to a Club in Szcezcin Poland, (Palace). It was outside city center, huge place done like a country house with jacuzzis in most rooms. Closed down in 2006.

I am going to phone Ambrazura to find out if they allow a couple M / F. My Donetsk girl is just as excited as I am about the club having read your post and says for this, she will come to Kiev.

Anyway I need my regular taxi driver for the return journey as I don't want to be at the whim of a Mafia Taxi Driver or being stuck out there in the woods.

Jogged my memory. Now I think this club was talked about back in 2009 but the poster didn't mention the name of the Club, unless there is another club with the same setup.

Being in such a location and not getting much publicity here, its customers must be well heeled Ukrainians.

This is the best tip I heard about Kiev for a long time.

Jojosun
05-22-14, 12:38
Does anybody know how much it costs for a Ukrainian passport? I have recently met a girl who is willing to come to Spain with me but she has no passport, she asked for $100 dollars, is this about right? Also what is the time scale?

Which brings me to my second question, I was recently in Spain on the Costa Brava, and I noticed there were lots of Ukrainians / Russians all over the place, I spoke to some Ukrainians who told me they flew from Kiev. When I got home I realised that Wizzair fly to Girona, does anybody know how to obtain a visa for this purpose? Is it shengen or tourist or?

Its my intention to bring the girl to Spain, so, hope you guys can shine some light on this.Back in 2009/2010 Ukrainian girls were asking for US $200 to get a Schengen Visa. At that time they were getting it through the Czech Embassy in Kiev. My guess, the inflated price went to the pockets of some guys at the Embassy there who were bending the strict rules at the time.

A lot of Ukrainians / Russians now fly to Spain / Bulgaria on package tours making it much easier for them to get Schengen visas as they are applying in groups. .

I think new EU directives are making it now much easier for Ukrainians to get Schengen visas.

Here is the link for the Spanish Embassy in Kiev. http://www.espvac-ua.com/.

How14
05-22-14, 14:00
They need a schengen visa.

I'm meeting 2 girls in Barcelona for 4 days each in July. One is a 26 year old blonde from Kiev and the other is a 21 year old brunette from Moscow.Can you advise how to get the visa, and how much it costs? Can it be obtained in 1 day?

Yes its a good idea fly into girona, have good rest.

Uke Boy
05-22-14, 17:56
Can you advise how to get the visa, and how much it costs? Can it be obtained in 1 day?

Yes its a good idea fly into girona, have good rest.The visa itself costs 35 Euros. Can it be obtained in one day? No. Not unless she is an oligarch. It all depends on her status. Does she work, does she own her own apartment does she have a bank account, and if so, now much does she have in the account? She will need documents from her work and bank documents to prove that she will return to Ukraine once her trip ends. Does she have other Schengen visas and if so, then this next one is easier.

Sadly, if she is young, in school or has a low-paying job, attractive and has no visible means of support, and has not ever left Ukraine for the Schengen zone you may be out of luck.

You can try to do something through a travel agency and book a tour. That will be more expensive for you but has a slightly better chance of visa approval but absolutely no guarantee. If you take this avenue, you will need to get an insurance policy returning the money that must be paid up front to the travel agency in case the visa is denied.

I do not know where you are but if you want her to join you, you had better have her in Ukraine do all the fact-finding work to make sure what can or cannot be done. Believe me, people here do this type of investigation every day and very in-depth. It is amazing what they discover.

Uke Boy
05-22-14, 18:00
Back in 2009/2010 Ukrainian girls were asking for US $200 to get a Schengen Visa. At that time they were getting it through the Czech Embassy in Kiev. My guess, the inflated price went to the pockets of some guys at the Embassy there who were bending the strict rules at the time.

A lot of Ukrainians / Russians now fly to Spain / Bulgaria on package tours making it much easier for them to get Schengen visas as they are applying in groups. .

I think new EU directives are making it now much easier for Ukrainians to get Schengen visas.

Here is the link for the Spanish Embassy in Kiev. http://www.espvac-ua.com/.Jo, that was then, this is now. I am headed to Prague next week with a current "friend." She has Schengen visas and yet the Czech bastards gave her a one time entry / exit visa that took two weeks to get. We were expecting a multiple given the ravings and rantings of the EU in easing the visa issues, but they also lie big time. They are still holding the screws tight to make sure Ukrainians don't flee to London for jobs. (I know, London is not Schengen but you get the idea).

Sorbonne
05-22-14, 18:37
Jo, that was then, this is now. I am headed to Prague next week with a current "friend." She has Schengen visas and yet the Czech bastards gave her a one time entry / exit visa that took two weeks to get. We were expecting a multiple given the ravings and rantings of the EU in easing the visa issues, but they also lie big time. They are still holding the screws tight to make sure Ukrainians don't flee to London for jobs. (I know, London is not Schengen but you get the idea).

When I flew my gal, a student, from Kiev to the Caribbean last year, she came through London, where she stayed overnight on the ways to and back from the Caribbean. I suggested that she just slept on chairs at Heathrow, but I was surprised to learn that she was allowed to leave the airport overnight on both ways, even thought she didn't have any visa to UK.

So she got to do some sightseeing in the afternoon in London before she returned to Heathrow to sleep on chairs both nights.

This was all before the Trouble began last November.

Just my two cents.

Sorbonne
05-22-14, 18:47
Hi. The website of ambrasura.

http://my-relax.net/salon/ambrazura/out_paid/

You have to call them and they give you address. They on top modals too if you serching in price of 800 grivnas. The plaice is in dead end road nearly zhitomiska staition, and picture of girls done in actually same building.

This is when Ambrasura was mentioned back in last September.

You could catch a cab from the Zhitomiska staition.

But this particular link is no longer working.

Jojosun
05-22-14, 19:20
Jo, that was then, this is now. I am headed to Prague next week with a current "friend." She has Schengen visas and yet the Czech bastards gave her a one time entry / exit visa that took two weeks to get. We were expecting a multiple given the ravings and rantings of the EU in easing the visa issues, but they also lie big time. They are still holding the screws tight to make sure Ukrainians don't flee to London for jobs. (I know, London is not Schengen but you get the idea).Found this link from 2009 re Visas http://www.expatua.com/forum/index.php?topic=4113.0..

"I found the easiest way to go anywhere on vacation with my lady was to use a tour agency in Kyiv who arranges for the Schengen visa when you buy a tour from them. If your lady doesn't have all those assets the embassy would like to see, perhaps being a student, some tour agencies may certify that she works for them, just so that they can sell a tour".

If its only a matter of holidaying with the UA girl somewhere sunny and a beach hoilday, then Bulgaria would be an easier option for a visa and much cheaper than Spain.

Jojosun
05-22-14, 19:52
Can you advise how to get the visa, and how much it costs? Can it be obtained in 1 day?

Yes its a good idea fly into girona, have good rest.Schengen visa requirements are more or less the same as for Ukrainians trying to get a British Visa. Make sure that she gets all the documents in order, because once refused, it will be very difficult for her to get a second chance. .

"The most important thing is to supply all of the documents and information they ask for, they won't usually give you a second chance to supply anything that is missing and make sure your girlfriend has a return flight ticket, otherwise the visa will definitely be refused" http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g294473-i3662-k5182807-British_Visa_for_Ukraine_Citizen-Ukraine.html.

Uke Boy
05-22-14, 20:07
When I flew my gal, a student, from Kiev to the Caribbean last year, she came through London, where she stayed overnight on the ways to and back from the Caribbean. I suggested that she just slept on chairs at Heathrow, but I was surprised to learn that she was allowed to leave the airport overnight on both ways, even thought she didn't have any visa to UK.

So she got to do some sightseeing in the afternoon in London before she returned to Heathrow to sleep on chairs both nights.

This was all before the Trouble began last November.

Just my two cents.The Schengen borders are not the leaky UK borders. You cannot compare the two. Try leaving one of the Schengen airports through passport control without a transit visa. You cannot. In the UK, the borders are so porous that almost anyone can and does get through.

How14
05-22-14, 22:26
The visa itself costs 35 Euros. Can it be obtained in one day? No. Not unless she is an oligarch. It all depends on her status. Does she work, does she own her own apartment does she have a bank account, and if so, now much does she have in the account? She will need documents from her work and bank documents to prove that she will return to Ukraine once her trip ends. Does she have other Schengen visas and if so, then this next one is easier.

Sadly, if she is young, in school or has a low-paying job, attractive and has no visible means of support, and has not ever left Ukraine for the Schengen zone you may be out of luck.

You can try to do something through a travel agency and book a tour. That will be more expensive for you but has a slightly better chance of visa approval but absolutely no guarantee. If you take this avenue, you will need to get an insurance policy returning the money that must be paid up front to the travel agency in case the visa is denied.

I do not know where you are but if you want her to join you, you had better have her in Ukraine do all the fact-finding work to make sure what can or cannot be done. Believe me, people here do this type of investigation every day and very in-depth. It is amazing what they discover.Thanks Uke for your help, this now looks impossible, yes she's 22, prob has no job, and her English is limited, I've told her what's required but all she says is, ok, ok, ok, or "I want to go to Spain" "I wait you" I'm worried about going to Kiev anyway with the conflict etc, and her inability to do anything without me is getting me down.

Prosal
05-23-14, 07:27
Thanks Uke for your help, this now looks impossible, yes she's 22, prob has no job, and her English is limited, I've told her what's required but all she says is, ok, ok, ok, or "I want to go to Spain" "I wait you" I'm worried about going to Kiev anyway with the conflict etc, and her inability to do anything without me is getting me down.Go to Montenegro with her, no visa requered. Or to Georgia, flight to Tbilisi with UIA is only 200 € round-trip (I think there's also seasonal Wizz Air flights to Batumi).

LilJoey
05-23-14, 09:15
Here is a link to Ambrazura's ad on the top- modals.com site, along with their nice photos:

http://www.top-modals.com/?h=mobi&id=6745

I've seen their ad, along with a few other such massage salons with ads on the site. Interesting to read the further details of your visits.

Thanks

Jojosun
05-23-14, 13:10
This is when Ambrasura was mentioned back in last September.

You could catch a cab from the Zhitomiska staition.

But this particular link is no longer working.Thanks Sorbonne. Read all the relevant posts but it never mentioned the swimming pool, the Villa with jacuzzis, etc.

It was just talk about Salons. I guess that's how it didn't register in my mind at the time as I don't visit girls at their in call apartments, aka Salons in Kiev, and from what was posted about Amrasura it doesn't actually make it just another Salon.

Jojosun
05-23-14, 17:19
Here is a link to Ambrazura's ad on the top- modals.com site, along with their nice photos:

http://www.top-modals.com/?h=mobi&id=6745

Interesting to read further details of visits.

I concur with LJ. Any further details of recent visits so we get the complete picture.

This link seems to give more details.

http://ambrazura.com.ua/

Member #4274
05-23-14, 18:17
Go to Montenegro with her, no visa requered. Or to Georgia, flight to Tbilisi with UIA is only 200 round-trip (I think there's also seasonal Wizz Air flights to Batumi).I agree with Prosal, Montenegro is amazing. Ukrainians like this country, too. They are always telling me how they would like to go there.

Sorbonne
05-24-14, 06:30
Thanks Sorbonne. Read all the relevant posts but it never mentioned the swimming pool, the Villa with jacuzzis, etc.

It was just talk about Salons. I guess that's how it didn't register in my mind at the time as I don't visit girls at their in call apartments, aka Salons in Kiev, and from what was posted about Amrasura it doesn't actually make it just another Salon.That's true. I didn't know that Ambrazura was like a spa, even though I looked at their old website last September. That is strange.

DoctorOral
05-24-14, 07:44
http://www.top-modals.com/?h=mobi&id=6796

I am not into 'pure' working girls so I never tried topmodals, but this girl here looks interesting and has good Reviews. Anyone knows her?

Jojosun
05-24-14, 12:07
I agree with Prosal, Montenegro is amazing. Ukrainians like this country, too. They are always telling me how they would like to go there.CB,

Montenegro is truly beautiful country and it does attract mega rich Russians with their yachts in the summer. You need to keep a watchful eye on your girl. It also attracts more sophisticated tourists, so I guess the Ukrainians who like to go there are the more educated more traveled classes.

I've been there, it is more suited to a monger with a girl in her late 20's or 30 something on his arm.

Here is a useful link on travel costs there and at other vacation destinations. Of course prices are not set in stone but it does help to give you an idea on where to take a girl for holiday after you factor the costs for Flights.

http://www.mytravelcost.com/Montenegro/

Restaurant and hotel prices in Montenegro is obtained from Eurostat which is the official statistical agency of the European Union. It shows Prague to be cheaper.

Jojosun
05-24-14, 12:38
I Montenegro is amazing. Ukrainians like this country, too. They are always telling me how they would like to go there.CB,

On a similar theme. Have a look on Macedonia as somewhere to take a Ukrainian girl on holiday.

Everyone in the tourist industry & well traveled seasoned travelers all agree its the Cheapest country in Europe at present. Wizz Air flies to the capital Skobje.

Here is the tale of a Female Travel Blogger, Kate.

http://www.adventurouskate.com/macedonia-this-magnificent-country-will-surprise-you/

"Let's start with the bombshell: Macedonia is the cheapest country I've been to in Europe. Many guides say that Bulgaria is the cheapest, but I found Macedonia to be even cheaper than Bulgaria!

Member #4491
05-24-14, 13:33
I was told about the Polish Consulate in Kharkov. One of my current UA GFs "arranged" her visa there in the past for a facilitating fee.

Here you can find a place where no visa is required:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Ukrainian_citizens

Be.

Member #4491
05-24-14, 13:35
http://www.top-modals.com/?h=mobi&id=6796

I am not into 'pure' working girls so I never tried topmodals, but this girl here looks interesting and has good Reviews. Anyone knows her?I am in love! You have to share if you examine her, Doctor.

B

Uke Boy
05-24-14, 18:31
http://www.top-modals.com/?h=mobi&id=6796

I am not into 'pure' working girls so I never tried topmodals, but this girl here looks interesting and has good Reviews. Anyone knows her?Do you really expect to see this girl and have gymnastic sex with her, and only for 800 grivna?

If so, then I have much to sell you at great prices, cash only and payment up front.

Jojosun
05-24-14, 18:40
CB,

On a similar theme. Have a look on Macedonia as somewhere to take a Ukrainian girl on holiday.

Everyone in the tourist industry & well traveled seasoned travelers all agree its the Cheapest country in Europe at present. Wizz Air flies to the capital Skobje.

Here is the tale of a Female Travel Blogger, Kate.

http://www.adventurouskate.com/macedonia-this-magnificent-country-will-surprise-you/

"Let's start with the bombshell: Macedonia is the cheapest country I've been to in Europe. Many guides say that Bulgaria is the cheapest, but I found Macedonia to be even cheaper than Bulgaria!To summarize.

Montenegro, Macedonia, Georgia, all 3 countries do not require visas for Ukrainian Citizens.

Of the 3 countries I would choose Georgia simply on account of its beaches and the more varied attractions it does offer in comparison to Macedonia&Montenegro.Georgian Food is very tasty as well.

It is also as Cheap as Macedonia going by this link for the cost of Hotels& Restaurants.

http://www.mytravelcost.com/Georgia/prices/hotels_restaurants_prices/.

Then one needs to factor the costs of flights.

Uke Boy
05-25-14, 07:44
To summarize.

Montenegro, Macedonia, Georgia, all 3 countries do not require visas for Ukrainian Citizens.

Of the 3 countries I would choose Georgia simply on account of its beaches and the more varied attractions it does offer in comparison to Macedonia&Montenegro.Georgian Food is very tasty as well.

It is also as Cheap as Macedonia going by this link for the cost of Hotels& Restaurants.

http://www.mytravelcost.com/Georgia/prices/hotels_restaurants_prices/.

Then one needs to factor the costs of flights.Even cheaper than Georgia and far more exotic is Tunisia. Ukrainians also do not need a visa when the trip is organized by a travel agent. Monastir and the other resort areas also abound with Russian and Ukrainian tourist. It is warmer, it is the Mediterranean and not the Black Sea, and it is also not Egypt or Turkey, the other major holiday destinations.

Walk down any street of Kiev and you will see Georgians, plus loads of Georgian restaurants and food outlets selling khachapuri and other Georgian foods and condiments abound making Georgia much too familiar.

Also How14 spends a lot of time in Thailand which is a visa on arrival country so he could also meet up with her on his prime hunting ground. That might crimp his style a bit but it is a guaranteed visit.

Sorbonne
05-25-14, 09:12
CB,

On a similar theme. Have a look on Macedonia as somewhere to take a Ukrainian girl on holiday.

Everyone in the tourist industry & well traveled seasoned travelers all agree its the Cheapest country in Europe at present. Wizz Air flies to the capital Skobje.

Here is the tale of a Female Travel Blogger, Kate.

http://www.adventurouskate.com/macedonia-this-magnificent-country-will-surprise-you/

"Let's start with the bombshell: Macedonia is the cheapest country I've been to in Europe. Many guides say that Bulgaria is the cheapest, but I found Macedonia to be even cheaper than Bulgaria!Macedonia?

I've been to 42 countries in Europe including Macedonia, but it does not strike me as a holiday destination. What is there to do for a holiday?

If your girl is into Orthodox icons, the Lake Ohrid area's icons are second only in importance to the Tretyakov Gallery's in Moscow.

But there is no beach in Macedonia to begin with, except beaches on lakes. I would say even Albania would make a better holiday destination than Macedonia, simply because Albania has beach resorts, right next to Montenegro.

There are some cheaper countries in Europe than Macedonia, such as Albania and Kosovo, so I'm not sure what the criteria is. Cheap but nice countries for holiday?

I've known this Kate's blog for a while, as I do something similar, and probably she simply hasn't been to cheaper countries.

Loopy2002
05-25-14, 09:19
Am visiting Kiev this week. Any suggestion where I can find pros?

How14
05-25-14, 14:20
Even cheaper than Georgia and far more exotic is Tunisia. Ukrainians also do not need a visa when the trip is organized by a travel agent. Monastir and the other resort areas also abound with Russian and Ukrainian tourist. It is warmer, it is the Mediterranean and not the Black Sea, and it is also not Egypt or Turkey, the other major holiday destinations.

Walk down any street of Kiev and you will see Georgians, plus loads of Georgian restaurants and food outlets selling khachapuri and other Georgian foods and condiments abound making Georgia much too familiar.

Also How14 spends a lot of time in Thailand which is a visa on arrival country so he could also meet up with her on his prime hunting ground. That might crimp his style a bit but it is a guaranteed visit.Yes Uke, I totally agree, this is one of the reasons I'm meeting this 22 year old, I want to see if she's "suitable" to accompany me to Thailand for 2-3 weeks, I do get a bit sick of Thai girls after a while, and its nice to have a Ukranian / Russian on the back of your motorbike etc, and you can still send her off for the odd massage while you go off and do a bit "short time" with a Thai beauty.

Jojosun
05-25-14, 17:29
Even cheaper than Georgia and far more exotic is Tunisia. Ukrainians also do not need a visa when the trip is organized by a travel agent. Monastir and the other resort areas also abound with Russian and Ukrainian tourist. It is warmer, it is the Mediterranean and not the Black Sea, and it is also not Egypt or Turkey, the other major holiday destinations.

Walk down any street of Kiev and you will see Georgians, plus loads of Georgian restaurants and food outlets selling khachapuri and other Georgian foods and condiments abound making Georgia much too familiar..Never been to Georgia or Macedonia but the sound bite is much more exotic and more of a Far Away sounding place than the well known holiday destination Tunisia. It depends where one is based at the time and who to take on holiday. But I agree with you Tunisia would tick all the right buttons especially getting at least a 4 star hotel inclusive holiday with all the booze included as well. It would work out so much cheaper as well.

Been there before on a family holiday and I managed once to slip away from my significant other&her Radar, used Lonely Planet guide to find LOL, The Red Light District in Souse. An experience to be tried but not for the faint-hearted.. . Can't speak French / Arabic I never managed to find the RLD in the capital Tunis as it was situated behind the alleys of the old city and I stood out as a foreigner from a distance, so I had to pass.

Found Tunisia very safe & clean. In fact I am thinking of taking a Houstonian ex Lap dancer to one of the resorts there for Rest & Recreation. She says, WOW North Africa. Of course she doesn't know its so cheap getting the Tunisia bargains from London.

Didn't realize that Georgians and Georgian food that common in Kiev. I thought they were Tatars from Crimea. I mean they do look the same, don't they?

Uke Boy
05-25-14, 17:39
Am visiting Kiev this week. Any suggestion where I can find pros?There are 13,731 posts in this forum and climbing. If you start from the beginning and work your way to today's posts, you will know exactly where to find pros in Kiev. Good luck.

Sorbonne
05-25-14, 22:13
In order for me to whisk away a Ukrainian girl, I myself have tried to find a resort with a nice white sand beach with clear water and no seaweed in Europe, but my conclusion was that no such place exists in Europe. Sardinia came to the closest, but there was no resort by such a beach in Sardinia.

So please let me know if anyone here knows such a place in Europe.

Because I couldn't find such a place, I so far had to take the Ukrainian girls out of Europe to Maldives and Dominican Republic.

Member #4491
05-26-14, 01:47
Maybe one of these?

http://www.timeout.com/travel/features/515/europes-best-beaches

So many of these places are worth a visit so I would be a fool to try to select one as the best.

Barba

Jojosun
05-26-14, 07:28
Macedonia?

I've been to 42 countries in Europe including Macedonia, but it does not strike me as a holiday destination. What is there to do for a holiday?

If your girl is into Orthodox icons, the Lake Ohrid area's icons are second only in importance to the Tretyakov Gallery's in Moscow.

But there is no beach in Macedonia to begin with, except beaches on lakes. I would say even Albania would make a better holiday destination than Macedonia, simply because Albania has beach resorts, right next to Montenegro.

There are some cheaper countries in Europe than Macedonia, such as Albania and Kosovo, so I'm not sure what the criteria is. Cheap but nice countries for holiday?

I've known this Kate's blog for a while, as I do something similar, and probably she simply hasn't been to cheaper countries.I don't think there are budget flights from Kiev to Skopje. In the interest of research I've just done a quick search on flights from London and it came up with US $130 return on WizzAir. In June.

On booking.com, a 5 Star hotel about US $100,a one bedroom luxury apartment is US $40 a night.

Of course they would say that, wouldn't they " Absurdly affordable and refreshingly accommodating in equal measures, a trip to the Balkans that fails to take in Skopje isn't really a trip to the Balkans at all."urlreplacement0}.

I've done all of the Balkan countries except Macedonia &Albania.Quality&number of Hotels in Skopje look much better than what's available in Albania&Kosovo.

Skopje does look very tempting for a naughty long weekend, if not as a Holiday Destination.

According to TripAdvisor there are plenty of things to keep one occupied during the day. Lake Matka, Vodno Mountain, Bazzar, etc http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attractions-g295110-Activities-Skopje_Skopje_Region.html...

Who would think Szczecin in Poland is a Sex Destination City?? In fact the best looking girls I met in Poland were in Szczecin, had a great time in the evenings on long weekends, but the city itself is just plain ugly. First time I heard of it was when RYANAIR started flying there.

Ivanvlad
05-26-14, 10:02
In order for me to whisk away a Ukrainian girl, I myself have tried to find a resort with a nice white sand beach with clear water and no seaweed in Europe, but my conclusion was that no such place exists in Europe. Sardinia came to the closest, but there was no resort by such a beach in Sardinia.

So please let me know if anyone here knows such a place in Europe.

Because I couldn't find such a place, I so far had to take the Ukrainian girls out of Europe to Maldives and Dominican Republic.Formentera.

Uke Boy
05-26-14, 10:07
Didn't realize that Georgians and Georgian food that common in Kiev. I thought they were Tatars from Crimea. I mean they do look the same, don't they?Georgians and Tatars are two vastly different people. The Crimean Tatars, along with their Russian Tatarstan cousins are descendants of a Turkic people who were allied with the fearsome Mongol invaders of the Middle Ages.

Georgians, however, are from the Caucasus Mountain region that also includes Armenia, Azerbaijan, Dagestan, Chechnya, Ossetia. Georgians and their fellow Caucasians are the swarthy types seen throughout the city. They also are considered by many locals to be undesirables, supposedly involved in dubious activities.

Prosal
05-26-14, 10:19
Walk down any street of Kiev and you will see Georgians, plus loads of Georgian restaurants and food outlets selling khachapuri and other Georgian foods and condiments abound making Georgia much too familiar.Just spent two weeks in Georgia with ukrainian GF and even is Georgian food is considered as the best in FSU, it's not very varied after one week you get tired of katchapuri and shashliks.

Georgia is nonetheless a great destination to kick back for one week with an ukrainian girl. Flights are cheap from Kiev and there's many options (not only beach, there is also some wonderful historic mountain towns like Signagi) to spend an enjoyable stay. Tbilisi is a rather enjoyable city also, cullturally highly interesting.

Prosal
05-26-14, 11:33
they also are considered by many locals to be undesirables, supposedly involved in dubious activities.as a side note, when you stroll the streets of tbilisi with your ukrainian gf and if she is dressed "ukrainian style"(too short skirt, high heels, ect), 90 % of the men stare at you like if they want to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her and kill you. not enjoyable at all.

Voistov
05-26-14, 11:39
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Sorbonne
05-26-14, 13:37
Formentera.Thanks.

I have been aware of Formentera's white sand beach.

In this photo where is the resort in relation to the beach?

I'm looking for a beach front hotel.

Ivanvlad
05-26-14, 14:03
Thanks.

I have been aware of Formentera's white sand beach.

In this photo where is the resort in relation to the beach?

I'm looking for a beach front hotel.The Hotel Roca Bella (75 rooms only) is the only one I know in front of a small white beach and it is at walking distance (appr. 1.3 Km) from the main beach.

Sorbonne
05-26-14, 21:07
The Hotel Roca Bella (75 rooms only) is the only one I know in front of a small white beach and it is at walking distance (appr. 1.3 Km) from the main beach.Thanks, but 1.3 km is too far. Less than 50 m is desirable.

And I also see some seaweed and / or rocks in the water in the last photo, which is, I'm guessing, in front of the hotel.

Sorbonne
05-26-14, 21:14
Just spent two weeks in Georgia with ukrainian GF and even is Georgian food is considered as the best in FSU, it's not very varied after one week you get tired of katchapuri and shashliks.

Georgia is nonetheless a great destination to kick back for one week with an ukrainian girl. Flights are cheap from Kiev and there's many options (not only beach, there is also some wonderful historic mountain towns like Signagi) to spend an enjoyable stay. Tbilisi is a rather enjoyable city also, cullturally highly interesting.May I ask which beach town in Georgia are there flights from Kiev to?

Prosal
05-26-14, 21:33
May I ask which beach town in Georgia are there flights from Kiev to?Batumi, with UIA. Nevertheless better hit the coast south of Batumi, or if you are adventurous Abkhazia. Batumi tries too hard to be a mini-Vegas (some 75 percent of the investments in Batumi belong to Turkish companies) and is filled with turk tourists / mongers. IMHO the real wonders of Georgia are in its countryside, notally in easternmost region of Kakheti region, where you can visit the famous Alaverdi cathedral, the highest church in Georgia, lost in the mountains, only 120 km (some 100 laris by taxi). Also the famous historic "Military Road" where you will discover the wild beauty of the deep Caucasus mountains is worth a jouney. That is just a few ideas, there's dozens of interesting things to do in Georgia.

www.trekearth.com/gallery/Asia/Georgia/East/Kakheti/

www.trekearth.com/gallery/Asia/Georgia/East/Mtskheta-Mtianeti/Stepantsminda/photo1321595.htm

www.trekearth.com/gallery/Asia/Georgia/East/Mtskheta-Mtianeti/

Prosal
05-26-14, 21:41
As a side note, on my last trip to Kiev I stayed in Podol area, and now I wouldn't wouldn't consider staying in another neighborhood.

What is great is that Podol is very close to the center (Kreshatik and Maidan are just behind the hill, at a 20 minutes walk or 10 minutes by funicular), but feels like a village. The main street of Podol (and most of its perpendicular streets) is literally full of cafes with summer terraces, highly enjoyable. For those who don't know, Podol is the oldest neighborhoods of Kyiv and definitely the most enjoyable (in a city which is itself enjoyable). My apartment was located on Andrivskiy Descent, the "Montmartre of Kiev". It was one stone away to Bulgakov Museum, the Funicular, many interesting monastories, ect, and ten minutes walking to the river. Also what is also great is that Podol is the new "in" area, with many trendy cafes filled with well-heeled girls. And you don't see your usual Kreshatik uncouth sex-tourist there.

Member #4274
05-27-14, 12:18
As a side note, on my last trip to Kiev I stayed in Podol area, and now I wouldn't wouldn't consider staying in another neighborhood.

What is great is that Podol is very close to the center (Kreshatik and Maidan are just behind the hill, at a 20 minutes walk or 10 minutes by funicular), but feels like a village. The main street of Podol (and most of its perpendicular streets) is literally full of cafes with summer terraces, highly enjoyable. For those who don't know, Podol is the oldest neighborhoods of Kyiv and definitely the most enjoyable (in a city which is itself enjoyable). My apartment was located on Andrivskiy Descent, the "Montmartre of Kiev". It was one stone away to Bulgakov Museum, the Funicular, many interesting monastories, ect, and ten minutes walking to the river. Also what is also great is that Podol is the new "in" area, with many trendy cafes filled with well-heeled girls. And you don't see your usual Kreshatik uncouth sex-tourist there.I like your style, Mr. Prosal. Well said and I couldn't agree more!

Sorbonne
05-28-14, 05:32
Maybe one of these?

http://www.timeout.com/travel/features/515/europes-best-beaches

So many of these places are worth a visit so I would be a fool to try to select one as the best.

Barba

I have missed out this post. For some reason these posts don't seem to be loaded in real time, if you know what I mean...

I have been to some of these and have done some researches on still others.

I would like to know if any of these beaches have hotels / resorts right by them, but some or even most of these don't have white sands. But I would like to do further research on this article.

Thanks.

El Cubanito
05-28-14, 15:01
As a side note, on my last trip to Kiev I stayed in Podol area, and now I wouldn't wouldn't consider staying in another neighborhood.

What is great is that Podol is very close to the center (Kreshatik and Maidan are just behind the hill, at a 20 minutes walk or 10 minutes by funicular), but feels like a village. The main street of Podol (and most of its perpendicular streets) is literally full of cafes with summer terraces, highly enjoyable. For those who don't know, Podol is the oldest neighborhoods of Kyiv and definitely the most enjoyable (in a city which is itself enjoyable). My apartment was located on Andrivskiy Descent, the "Montmartre of Kiev". It was one stone away to Bulgakov Museum, the Funicular, many interesting monastories, ect, and ten minutes walking to the river. Also what is also great is that Podol is the new "in" area, with many trendy cafes filled with well-heeled girls. And you don't see your usual Kreshatik uncouth sex-tourist there.Is it safe to travel to Kiev?

Prosal
05-28-14, 17:11
Is it safe to travel to Kiev?Well, in two weeks I've almost never been around Maidan / Kreshatik (I felt good in Podol, which is definitely a very safe and clean neighborhood with lot of good eating / drinking options. But no clubs), but the few times I was there I found the whole area quite dirty and still full of dubious characters dressed in paramilitary uniforms. IMO it could be rather unsafe if you are planning intensive nightlife and drinking in this area.

Ganesha
05-28-14, 22:37
I smiled about your first posting. Meanwhile I feel insulted. I am and feel as 'European Citizen'.

Well. We are a densely populated continent and many cities don't have an effective cleaning system for their used waters. We do use too much fertilizers and pesticides on our fields. They all flush down the rivers. So sea weeds might grow overly due to much nutrition. Of course, chemical pollution is going down the rivers. So first advice: avoid the beaches near any larger city, industrial parks and near rivers flushing all their dirt into the ocean.

Sea weeds are part of natural habitat. They are healthy: used in 1) medication and nutrition; 2) in therapy, e.g. Thalasso therapy in France; 3) natural fertilizers, e.g. In good old Ireland. So what is wrong with sea weeds?

You got the advice looking for the 'blue flag sign' in Europe. A certificate for clean water and clean beaches.

You got the advice about Blogs / Forums / Reviews named like 'Best Beaches of Europe' - there are more of these and they are great basic info. Everything else should do any travel agency with reputation and experience. It's ridiculous telling me, that you have to fly overseas to find a clean beach with unspoiled waters. White beaches are where there are corals or white rocks. That's not everywhere. I most loved a black beach on one of the Aeolian Islands north of Sicily. Great clean waters with pebbles and rough sand along the beach. Black because of the volcano islands. A girls body looks nicer on a black beach than on a white beach. But there are no airports, no charter flights. None of those nasty tourists, looking for some strange kind of perfection. Instead, there are lovely, small hotels with great Italian cuisine. Usually good educated Italians who go traditionally to those islands. So please beware of July / August. It's nicer and not so hot, not overbooked earlier or later. I was swimming there mid October. Sun is going down behind the hills after 3 pm. You go first to a cafe having a drink, do your shopping, go home having a nap, get a shower and go out for a romantic dinner or dine at the hotel. Perfect for a love affair. There are many more places like these in Europe. Just ask you travel agent and check the Internet. You got all advice. Just do you job and do your research!

And please stop insulting me as an European telling me that you do not find clean sand beaches without see weeds in Europe!


I have missed out this post. For some reason these posts don't seem to be loaded in real time, if you know what I mean...

I have been to some of these and have done some researches on still others.

I would like to know if any of these beaches have hotels / resorts right by them, but some or even most of these don't have white sands. But I would like to do further research on this article.

Thanks.

Muddy7
05-29-14, 07:05
Is it safe to travel to Kiev?Yes, just be smart and stay away from Maidan, there are some fuked up characters in the tents there.

And dont walk on the streets late at night, get taxi.

Sorbonne
05-29-14, 08:06
I smiled about your first posting. Meanwhile I feel insulted. I am and feel as 'European Citizen'.

Well. We are a densely populated continent and many cities don't have an effective cleaning system for their used waters. We do use too much fertilizers and pesticides on our fields. They all flush down the rivers. So sea weeds might grow overly due to much nutrition. Of course, chemical pollution is going down the rivers. So first advice: avoid the beaches near any larger city, industrial parks and near rivers flushing all their dirt into the ocean.

Sea weeds are part of natural habitat. They are healthy: used in 1) medication and nutrition; 2) in therapy, e.g. Thalasso therapy in France; 3) natural fertilizers, e.g. In good old Ireland. So what is wrong with sea weeds?

You got the advice looking for the 'blue flag sign' in Europe. A certificate for clean water and clean beaches.

You got the advice about Blogs / Forums / Reviews named like 'Best Beaches of Europe' - there are more of these and they are great basic info. Everything else should do any travel agency with reputation and experience. It's ridiculous telling me, that you have to fly overseas to find a clean beach with unspoiled waters. White beaches are where there are corals or white rocks. That's not everywhere. I most loved a black beach on one of the Aeolian Islands north of Sicily. Great clean waters with pebbles and rough sand along the beach. Black because of the volcano islands. A girls body looks nicer on a black beach than on a white beach. But there are no airports, no charter flights. None of those nasty tourists, looking for some strange kind of perfection. Instead, there are lovely, small hotels with great Italian cuisine. Usually good educated Italians who go traditionally to those islands. So please beware of July / August. It's nicer and not so hot, not overbooked earlier or later. I was swimming there mid October. Sun is going down behind the hills after 3 pm. You go first to a cafe having a drink, do your shopping, go home having a nap, get a shower and go out for a romantic dinner or dine at the hotel. Perfect for a love affair. There are many more places like these in Europe. Just ask you travel agent and check the Internet. You got all advice. Just do you job and do your research!

And please stop insulting me as an European telling me that you do not find clean sand beaches without see weeds in Europe!Hope you don't mind me saying your post was hilarious!

I never intended to insult anyone.

If anybody tells me there are no nice beaches in the US, I would not be insulted because it's true! The closest thing to a nice beach in the US is the White Sands National Monument in the State of New Mexico, where there used to be a nice white sand beach zillions of years ago.

"So what is wrong with sea weeds?

Well, I don't want seaweeds to start clinging to our bodies as we have sex on the beach. Or maybe it will further arouse us.

BTW, I've been to the Aeolian Islands. Not very impressed.

I consider myself as a travel agent specializing in Europe, having done sightseeing in nearly 600 cities in over 40 countries in Europe.

I have already done a lot of researches but will be doing more, looking for a resort with a perfect beach in Europe. Only to please my Ukrainian girls!

Prosal
05-29-14, 08:46
I have already done a lot of researches but will be doing more, looking for a resort with a perfect beach in Europe. Only to please my Ukrainian girls!There is some very nice white sanded beaches in the Biosphere Reserve of Danube Delta in Romania (accessible from Tulcea). Nonetheless, if your Ukrainian girls "ideal vacations" is a five stars hotel in the Maldives, they might not appreciate. My GF liked it a lot, as she liked deep Georgia, which also suits my tastes.

Jojosun
05-29-14, 13:51
I never intended to insult anyone.

If anybody tells me there are no nice beaches in the US, I would not be insulted because it's true! The closest thing to a nice beach in the US is the White Sands National Monument in the State of New Mexico, where there used to be a nice white sand beach zillions of years ago.

I consider myself as a travel agent specializing in Europe, having done sightseeing in nearly 600 cities in over 40 countries in Europe.

I have already done a lot of researches but will be doing more, looking for a resort with a perfect beach in Europe. Only to please my Ukrainian girls!Ukrainian Girls would love this Island with perfect White sands in the Bahamas. Auctioned for only US $17 m. Discount private island sells for $38 M off.

". The property was offered with a promise: Live a lifestyle some people only dream of.

Innocence Island, the largest privately-owned island in the Bahamas, has all the usual trappings of a high-end tropical getaway: beaches, mango trees, a large, airy home with a pool. There's even a runway that comes with its own airport code. Listed for $55 million, it was recently auctioned off for much less.".

http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/27/real_estate/private-island-auction/