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Ganesha
05-29-14, 15:52
The French love since decades the beaches along the Atlantic coast from the river outfall of the 'Gironde' - the Medoc vines area. South towards Biarritz with one of the largest dunes of Europe, les 'Dunes du Pilat' near Arcachon.

Version 1) Flight to Paris and staying with the lady there for some time. Which might get expensive due to shopping. She might enjoy using the TGV fast train down to Bordeaux or Biarritz.

Version 2) Flights to Biarritz / Bayonne or to Bordeaux.

Minus. Landscape is boring: all flat with either huge pine tree forests on sandy grounds. Visiting the vine growing 'chateaux' in the greener Medoc aerea is fun.

I have never been further north towards La Rochelle with the nearby islands of 'Ile the'Oléron' and 'Ile de areé' - could also be combined with visits of Paris and Bordeaux. Will be my goals for my next bicycle tour through France.

This idea came to me when reading about the beaches along the Black Sea bordering the Danube Delta. On photos they look similar.

Sponsor74
05-29-14, 16:01
Yes, just be smart and stay away from Maidan, there are some fuked up characters in the tents there.

And dont walk on the streets late at night, get taxi.Thanks for information. But are there still the barricades? Or girls again walking there now in summer! And Mc Donalds to pick up gorls again open? Thanks for update.

Muddy7
05-29-14, 17:24
Thanks for information. But are there still the barricades? Or girls again walking there now in summer! And Mc Donalds to pick up gorls again open? Thanks for update.There are barricades.

Mc donalds next to metro kreschatic is open.

Prosal
05-29-14, 17:42
There are barricades.The whole area is filthy, really unattractive, and still full of shabby and scary characters.

Sorbonne
05-29-14, 19:41
There is some very nice white sanded beaches in the Biosphere Reserve of Danube Delta in Romania (accessible from Tulcea). Nonetheless, if your Ukrainian girls "ideal vacations" is a five stars hotel in the Maldives, they might not appreciate. My GF liked it a lot, as she liked deep Georgia, which also suits my tastes.I should be truthful and should have said, "only to please myself.".

For one thing I have been to just about every important cultural sites in Europe, except a few in 8 other countries I have not visited in Europe, and for the other I think I prefer to visit cultural places for myself, so I can explore them to my liking.

So I'd rather go to five star hotels if it's just for fun with a girl, especially if it is the first trip with her. After the first trip, if she is interested in culture, she can be my guest.

Speaking of Tulcea, I have tried to get info on the border crossing between Tulcea and Izmail and have not succeeded. I believe there is no official border crossing for tourists, but it's possible to cross.

Vittu
05-30-14, 02:24
Did she retire? Is she entertaining the heroes of Crimea?

Member #4274
05-30-14, 07:48
The whole area is filthy, really unattractive, and still full of shabby and scary characters.I hate to sound like a broken record, but I agree with Prosal completely. Kreshchatyk is normally one of the most appealing areas of Kyiv, but right now there are some sketchy and odd looking characters hanging around there. I certainly don't feel unsafe but I sometimes feel uneasy. I definitely don't hang around there after dark. Just as an added note, and I've been patently awaiting for this moment to come, Mr. Klitschko and Mr. Poroshenko have politely suggested the people at Maidan should fold up their tents to allow the city to clean up the area and return it to its normal state. They site the upcoming agreement with the EU as proof of their intentions. It seems that the protestors, or whoever these characters are currently at Maidan, have declined. Not sure what will come of this or where it might lead to.

Suka Shalava
05-30-14, 11:32
Did she retire? Is she entertaining the heroes of Crimea?Isn't ten years enough time to let the dust settle on her career?

Personally, I have no regrets, advancing from the common road to those less traveled. I listened to the advice of a few more seasoned veterans, and after making my mark in Kiev, Kharkov, Odessa, and Minsk, I realized that the light of the horizon brightens as you head east. The graceful time to walk away from the table, is when you're on top.

Maybe someday, more of you will see that light, and invest in the source of future successes. Even though Ira left 2 years ago, and Tanya turned bandit, and Lilit was out of town two of my last three trips, I lucked out meeting another new acquaintance, worthy of generous sponsorship.

The possibilities are endless, only limited by time. Open your eyes. Head for the border, turn right, don't look back, and just keep going. Its all there waiting.

Member #4274
05-30-14, 21:09
A university student at KPI here in Kyiv told me there are often 'prositutka's' in the park in front of the University at Politek Institute. For those of you unfamiliar with Kyiv, that is the park located in front of the university between Shuliavska Metro Station and Politek. Insitute Metro station, across the street from the zoo. Haven't seen them myself, but she assured me they're there. When I asked if there were pretty, university students hanging around there looking for men she shrugged her shoulders but did say the working girls there were obvious and not particularly attractive. Shuliavska is a sketchy area, anyway, and the fact street walkers are hanging around there does not surprise me.

Sponsor74
05-31-14, 19:09
There are barricades.

Mc donalds next to metro kreschatic is open.Thanks Muddy for the update. I agree with some reports here and maybe Maidan not the best place for the moment. But I wonder where are the girls now? They still have to pay for their rooms, study etc and mayybe desperate now with all the problems in Kiev. Therefore for sure they have moved to other place but where? Who knos the current places for pick up young girls student type?

Gergiev
06-01-14, 02:12
What is great is that Podol is very close to the center (Kreshatik and Maidan are just behind the hill, at a 20 minutes walk or 10 minutes by funicular), but feels like a village. The main street of Podol (and most of its perpendicular streets) is literally full of cafes with summer terraces, highly enjoyable. For those who don't know, Podol is the oldest neighborhoods of Kyiv and definitely the most enjoyable (in a city which is itself enjoyable). My apartment was located on Andrivskiy Descent, the "Montmartre of Kiev". It was one stone away to Bulgakov Museum, the Funicular, many interesting monastories, ect, and ten minutes walking to the river. Also what is also great is that Podol is the new "in" area, with many trendy cafes filled with well-heeled girls. And you don't see your usual Kreshatik uncouth sex-tourist there. Well summarised by Prosal and every word the truth - and not just in times of insurrection!

Tuggen
06-01-14, 20:03
Having a bit of time for a while forward. Thinking of visit Kiev quite soon. Maybe alreday on Friday or when I can find some reasonable tickets.

Just wanted to hear some latest news from Kiev situation.

What about staying? Have the hotel and apartment situation in some way changed? There must have been a period with much less visitors in city! Maybe that is back to normal?

I have usually mosty booked apartments but was this time thinking of hotel. Mostly to have a reception to turn to if I need help with something since I not 100% sure of current situation. Perhaps Premier Palace. Heard Rus should be one of better choice of cheap hotels. Anyone knows the possibility to bring in Girls to these hotels?

It was almost a year since I was in Kiev.

Bamcoco
06-02-14, 02:40
Does anybody know how much it costs for a Ukrainian passport? I have recently met a girl who is willing to come to Spain with me but she has no passport, she asked for $100 dollars, is this about right? Also what is the time scale?

Which brings me to my second question, I was recently in Spain on the Costa Brava, and I noticed there were lots of Ukrainians / Russians all over the place, I spoke to some Ukrainians who told me they flew from Kiev. When I got home I realised that Wizzair fly to Girona, does anybody know how to obtain a visa for this purpose? Is it shengen or tourist or?

Its my intention to bring the girl to Spain, so, hope you guys can shine some light on this. Don't be a fucking fool. If this girl can't afford the cost of passport, how can she afford her flight ticket? 90% of this case is a scam. You pay her, and never met her forever.

The Mercy Seat
06-02-14, 19:26
I just got blocked my mamba account 3 days ago (IP adress thingy). Anyone knows how long it will take to get it back again? It has gone 3 days now since I sent my complaint. No responce.

SamLondon
06-03-14, 01:11
Please be aware that Mamba has installed a new software that monitors your activity and it seem very sensitive.

I copy and pasted the same standard message to about 12 different girls (nothing rude or commercial. Just a friendly intro) and it blocked my account.

This has happened to one other guy as well so beware! Need to change old habits and work a bit harder for little gain.

Why the F* was I even on Mamba in the first place?

I think its the mixed messages of success / failures.

The optimist in you always makes you think you are in with a chance. No prospects without prospecting where-ever you can.

Anyone had success on getting account unblocked on Mamba?

Russel4339
06-03-14, 08:05
Anyone had success on getting account unblocked on Mamba?I have approached Mamba about other things in the past. (I think that they are based out of the Netherlands. But I could be wrong).

I never received a reply to anything that I ever approached them with. Maybe best to create a new account if possible. (Lots of girls have many accounts).

Good Luck.

Muddy7
06-03-14, 09:07
Having a bit of time for a while forward. Thinking of visit Kiev quite soon. Maybe alreday on Friday or when I can find some reasonable tickets.

Just wanted to hear some latest news from Kiev situation.

What about staying? Have the hotel and apartment situation in some way changed? There must have been a period with much less visitors in city! Maybe that is back to normal?

I have usually mosty booked apartments but was this time thinking of hotel. Mostly to have a reception to turn to if I need help with something since I not 100% sure of current situation. Perhaps Premier Palace. Heard Rus should be one of better choice of cheap hotels. Anyone knows the possibility to bring in Girls to these hotels?

It was almost a year since I was in Kiev. My friend has been in Kiev for over 3 weeks, stayed in an apartment 2 minutes from metro Kreschatic, no problems, just don't walk around kreschatic near maidan, that's all. And yes there are definitely less tourists / visitors.

Mskofmsk
06-04-14, 12:27
Guys can you please type down your ideas about being alone traveler in Kiev nowadays. Is it safe?

I think most of guys dreaming to be in Kiev are wondering about the above question.

Thanks in advance.

Cunning Stunt
06-04-14, 13:57
I'm in Kiev at the moment. Staying in an apartment near to Khreshchatyk. Maidan pretty quiet but lots of old veterans and dodgy looking youths in fatigues knocking around. Best not be round there late at night but fine by day. Still plenty of fine looking Ukrainian lasses strolling around the area but yet to build up the courage to accost one (probably be a language problem in any case).

Are escort sites such as top-modals invariably B & S or do some genuine girls put ads on there? And what about the money? I note some ask crazy money like 2000uah an hour whilst others ask for a derisory 300 with most around the 800 mark. So what is the score with that?

Appreciate any advice and feedback from local experts.

Member #4274
06-05-14, 14:55
Guys can you please type down your ideas about being alone traveler in Kiev nowadays. Is it safe?

I think most of guys dreaming to be in Kiev are wondering about the above question.

Thanks in advance.Or you could read over the posts from the past few months and find the answer yourself. I have been living and working here in Kyiv for 9 months and know for a fact the answers to your questions have been posted here previously.

Muddy7
06-05-14, 17:38
Guys can you please type down your ideas about being alone traveler in Kiev nowadays. Is it safe?

I think most of guys dreaming to be in Kiev are wondering about the above question.

Thanks in advance.As long as you don't get caught by this guy you re fine, execution video.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/turchynov-says-blood-of-men-executed-by-horlivka-separatist-leader-demon-is-on-russias-hands-video-350784.html

I just got home, I was there for 14 days, its not the same, I didnt like, it, I will not go there again in the near future, best to try other places at this time

Uke Boy
06-05-14, 20:05
I'm in Kiev at the moment. Staying in an apartment near to Khreshchatyk. Maidan pretty quiet but lots of old veterans and dodgy looking youths in fatigues knocking around. Best not be round there late at night but fine by day. Still plenty of fine looking Ukrainian lasses strolling around the area but yet to build up the courage to accost one (probably be a language problem in any case).

Are escort sites such as top-modals invariably B & S or do some genuine girls put ads on there? And what about the money? I note some ask crazy money like 2000uah an hour whilst others ask for a derisory 300 with most around the 800 mark. So what is the score with that?

Appreciate any advice and feedback from local experts.CS, what you see is not always what you will get. Top Models is the most reliable and even that is stretching the truth by a long ways. Fact is that you have to use your inner sense of fraud and fake to decide on who you want to see and if you actually believe that this is a "real" photo. In only about, my guess, one third of the so-called "real" photos are actually truthful. You can mostly tell. The rest are either all fake or "similar likenesses" which is what the girl will tell you when you complain to her in person.

Prices are another matter. The high priced spread usually are all-inclusive and with anal, for the most part. They really are not worth it, though. They think far too highly of themselves and are no better than their lower-priced competitors. In fact, most of the high-end ladies are more mechanical and want to get your money and get you out fast. BTW, you will have to negotiate services in full with them BEFORE you begin any session. Otherwise you are certain to be disappointed if you leave out a certain need and may be charged extra if you want it.

The 300 grivna range are mostly for locals. Out of town girls with no English who need to make some money in almost all such cases so you will have to fend for yourself in terms of communication, which can be a tough thing under intimate circumstances. Where there is communication, extras will always cost extra.

The same almost applies in the 800 grivna range with a bit more English and the same "extra costs" for extra services such as anal and BBBJ. It really comes down to who strikes your fancy and if you can then communicate.

Most will come to your place for out call and they may also send several girls at a time but they will not be the ones in the photo, for the most part. Buyer beware.

Jojosun
06-07-14, 14:07
I'm in Kiev at the moment. Staying in an apartment near to Khreshchatyk. Maidan pretty quiet but lots of old veterans and dodgy looking youths in fatigues knocking around. Best not be round there late at night but fine by day. Still plenty of fine looking Ukrainian lasses strolling around the area but yet to build up the courage to accost one (probably be a language problem in any case).

Are escort sites such as top-modals invariably B & S or do some genuine girls put ads on there? And what about the money? I note some ask crazy money like 2000uah an hour whilst others ask for a derisory 300 with most around the 800 mark. So what is the score with that?

Appreciate any advice and feedback from local experts.Sound advise from a Local Expert UKE Boy.

CS. If you are still in Kiev, you can try this place http://ambrazura.com.ua/..

It had positive feedback on it here just few pages down.

If the girls are not to your liking, you can pass. At least what you see, is what you bang in the room.


Here is a link to Ambrazura's ad on the top- modals.com site, along with their nice photos:

http://www.top-modals.com/?h=mobi&id=6745

I've seen their ad, along with a few other such massage salons with ads on the site. Interesting to read the further details of your visits.

Thanks

Uke Boy
06-07-14, 19:27
Sound advise from a Local Expert UKE Boy.

CS. If you are still in Kiev, you can try this place http://ambrazura.com.ua/.. It had positive feedback on it here just few pages down. If the girls are not to your liking, you can pass. At least what you see, is what you bang in the room.Jo, the local reviews about the ladies at Ambrazura have been quite mixed, some good, some very bad, some so-so.

I have not been there and for the moment have no desire. It is way too far away even for me. It is right near the metro stop Zhytomyrska, within reasonable walking distance. However, if you are not a local or long-timer with knowledge of the city, then a taxi is your only and best option. As a foreigner, adding 100,200 or more grivna for taxis back and forth plus a potential miserable experience when you can get the same good bad or so-so experience from the central salons or outcalls for the same price does not make sense to me.

Yes, you may get a classy bordello building experience but I am satisfied with a small studio with a beautiful woman who will do what I ask and pay for than pay extra for a sauna that I will not use in a remote part of the city.

Jojosun
06-08-14, 11:19
Jo, the local reviews about the ladies at Ambrazura have been quite mixed, some good, some very bad, some so-so.

I have not been there and for the moment have no desire. It is way too far away even for me. It is right near the metro stop Zhytomyrska, within reasonable walking distance. However, if you are not a local or long-timer with knowledge of the city, then a taxi is your only and best option. As a foreigner, adding 100,200 or more grivna for taxis back and forth plus a potential miserable experience when you can get the same good bad or so-so experience from the central salons or outcalls for the same price does not make sense to me.

Yes, you may get a classy bordello building experience but I am satisfied with a small studio with a beautiful woman who will do what I ask and pay for than pay extra for a sauna that I will not use in a remote part of the city.YKB,

Of course we are all different in our mongering habits. When I am in London, flying to Kiev or anywhere in the Ukraine is no big deal at all. I am a cheap skate when it comes to flying and there is always WizzAir & few hour later, Visa Free & I've landed. But I never fly to Kiev to visit Hookers in their in call apartments, aka Salons. As you most probably know there is no shortage of Brothels, Girls of all colors & shapes with a variety of prices in London. . Even in Houston where I live & work for few months in the year there is a very good variety of girls and the prices are not that bad either.

Having had a look at the site for Ambrazura &having read the reviews here on the place, I don't know of any Brothel in London or Houston that offers such a setting. From the photos it shows a garden, swimming pool, sauna ,24/7 service even outcall, a good line up pf girls. I suppose a trip to the place is like a Sex Picnic in the Kiev country side. I usually keep a driver on standby in Kiev anyway. I find Taxis are so cheap in Kiev I usually pay them by the hour. A good Taxi Driver can act as my guide, interpreter, friend in need.

Unlike flying to Kiev I don't do thrift when it comes to getting around Kiev as I am only there for few days at a time anyway.

I am also so intrigued by the services at Ambrazura. The translation of them reads.

PRICES.

"Loophole. A narrow gap to enter the barrel.

With the purpose of repeated shooting ammunition.

NAME Duration Cost.

Distract machine gunner 30 minutes 800 UAH.

Sturm loopholes from the Western Front 30 minutes 650 UAH.

Storming the loopholes on the rising edge 1:00 800 UAH.

The siege of the loopholes in the rear 1:00 1000 UAH.

Ms. Insidious loophole 1:00 1000 UAH.

"golden rain" + 200 UAH.

Distract the two fighters 20 minutes 550 UAH.

More overt show - 800 UAH.

Additions to the program.

Dislocation in the pool with a fighter for 30 minutes - 550 UAH.

Stayed in a field kitchen with a fighter 1:00 - 200 UAH. ".

Does anyone know of any Bordello which offers " The siege of the loopholes in the Rear or Storming the loopholes on the rising edge for 1000 UAH ".

Rob Hay
06-10-14, 17:09
I hired Alex in Ukraine some time ago and he worked as a guide / driver. Is he still around by any chance working? Before coming last time I emailed every modeling agency in Kiev to request meeting the girls to show me around town. It worked quite well last time as I ended up sleeping with 2 of the girls after paying the agency "introduction fee".

Suka Shalava
06-11-14, 12:37
I hired a giri from a modeling agency to show me around town. I ended up sleeping with the girl after paying the agency "introduction fee".The hourly rate that modeling agencies charge magazine or fashion photographers for photo-models to do photo shoots, or the hourly rate that modeling agencies charge companies for models to stand around at promotional events, is not something that 99% of mongers are going to pay, because it is probably not in any way comparable to "gifts" or financial support expected by dyevs that will sleep with foreigners.

You didn't actually specify if you hired a model, or just a female person that works for a modeling agency that was not a model, to be a tourist guide to the city?

So what did you mean?

Can anyone simply call a modeling agency to hire a photo-model to be a tourist guide to the city, by paying an "introduction fee" to the agency, and expect the model to sleep with you as a freebie?

Epicurus
06-11-14, 22:51
Same here, when I am in Kiev I don't do thrift. No Wizz Air, but prices flying from Amsterdam ain't that bad. Plus Schiphol is only about 30 minutes away from where I live. Ambrazura is about 30 minutes drive from the center with no traffic jams. And cab fares in Kiev are ridiculous, with what I pay in Holland for one taxi ride I can fund almost like a week's worth in Kiev. I don't think that trying out Ambrazura is such a big risk, while I am typing this I also feel a bit doubt whether I should post this, cause perhaps it is better if Ambrazura won't become that popular with foreign tourists.

How much do you pay for a good (english speaking?) taxi driver? What is the minimum amount of hours / days? I speak passable Russian, problem is that as soon as you speak somewhat understandable Russian, you open a floodgate and they assume that you can understand whatever they say to you.


YKB,

Of course we are all different in our mongering habits. When I am in London, flying to Kiev or anywhere in the Ukraine is no big deal at all. I am a cheap skate when it comes to flying and there is always WizzAir & few hour later, Visa Free & I've landed. But I never fly to Kiev to visit Hookers in their in call apartments, aka Salons. As you most probably know there is no shortage of Brothels, Girls of all colors & shapes with a variety of prices in London. . Even in Houston where I live & work for few months in the year there is a very good variety of girls and the prices are not that bad either.

Having had a look at the site for Ambrazura &having read the reviews here on the place, I don't know of any Brothel in London or Houston that offers such a setting. From the photos it shows a garden, swimming pool, sauna ,24/7 service even outcall, a good line up pf girls. I suppose a trip to the place is like a Sex Picnic in the Kiev country side. I usually keep a driver on standby in Kiev anyway. I find Taxis are so cheap in Kiev I usually pay them by the hour. A good Taxi Driver can act as my guide, interpreter, friend in need.

Unlike flying to Kiev I don't do thrift when it comes to getting around Kiev as I am only there for few days at a time anyway.

I am also so intrigued by the services at Ambrazura. The translation of them reads.

Does anyone know of any Bordello which offers " The siege of the loopholes in the Rear or Storming the loopholes on the rising edge for 1000 UAH ".

Epicurus
06-11-14, 23:09
And unfortunately, I think 90% of the girls who have actually truthful photos aren't the kind of girls you would care to spend money on.

I've been to apartments with the 300 grivna range girls, everytime I think why not, let's give it a shot and everytime I get dissapointed by the quality and the seediness of it all. Pitchblack hallways and stuffy dark rooms. At one incident I was acting so nice and polite that a girl jokingly locked the door and told me to stay and could only leave after I picked one of them. Fortunately one of them saw that I was a bit turned off and panicky because of that action that she quickly opened the door. Anyway, it seems that at around 19:00 most of the (popular) girls show up for work, this seems to be the case not only for the 300 grivna girls, but also the other salons/apartments with the 600,800, 1000 and 1200 girls. And if you don't like the atmosphere of the salons / apartment, you can take them to your apartments, usually with no extra charge, except for the cab fare back.


CS, what you see is not always what you will get. Top Models is the most reliable and even that is stretching the truth by a long ways. Fact is that you have to use your inner sense of fraud and fake to decide on who you want to see and if you actually believe that this is a "real" photo. In only about, my guess, one third of the so-called "real" photos are actually truthful. You can mostly tell. The rest are either all fake or "similar likenesses" which is what the girl will tell you when you complain to her in person.

Prices are another matter. The high priced spread usually are all-inclusive and with anal, for the most part. They really are not worth it, though. They think far too highly of themselves and are no better than their lower-priced competitors. In fact, most of the high-end ladies are more mechanical and want to get your money and get you out fast. BTW, you will have to negotiate services in full with them BEFORE you begin any session. Otherwise you are certain to be disappointed if you leave out a certain need and may be charged extra if you want it.

The 300 grivna range are mostly for locals. Out of town girls with no English who need to make some money in almost all such cases so you will have to fend for yourself in terms of communication, which can be a tough thing under intimate circumstances. Where there is communication, extras will always cost extra.

The same almost applies in the 800 grivna range with a bit more English and the same "extra costs" for extra services such as anal and BBBJ. It really comes down to who strikes your fancy and if you can then communicate.

Most will come to your place for out call and they may also send several girls at a time but they will not be the ones in the photo, for the most part. Buyer beware.

Epicurus
06-11-14, 23:14
Are you sure this was the reason, or did they do this, because too many girls complained? Cause I do this too regularly (albeit with VIP account, but I think you must have a VIP account too, or else you cannot write that many girls in one session.) and I do not get blocked.


Please be aware that Mamba has installed a new software that monitors your activity and it seem very sensitive.

I copy and pasted the same standard message to about 12 different girls (nothing rude or commercial. Just a friendly intro) and it blocked my account.

This has happened to one other guy as well so beware! Need to change old habits and work a bit harder for little gain.

Why the F* was I even on Mamba in the first place?

I think its the mixed messages of success / failures.

The optimist in you always makes you think you are in with a chance. No prospects without prospecting where-ever you can.

Anyone had success on getting account unblocked on Mamba?

Epicurus
06-11-14, 23:37
They need a schengen visa.

I'm meeting 2 girls in Barcelona for 4 days each in July. One is a 26 year old blonde from Kiev and the other is a 21 year old brunette from Moscow.How did you arrange for them to have a Schengen visa?

Muddy7
06-12-14, 16:38
Bad news. /.

EU Ambassador to Ukraine Jan Tombinski: Ukraine could switch to a visa-free regime with the EU by the end of this year.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/tombinski-ukraine-may-switch-to-visa-free-regime-with-eu-by-end-of-this-year-351565.html

YellowPaul
06-12-14, 18:23
How did you arrange for them to have a Schengen visa?

The Kiev girl already had one. She told me something interesting that businesses buy extra visa's and then resell them. Something along those lines. Ticket from Kiev to Barcelona was $300.

The 21 year from Moscow that I'm meeting in Istanbul could not get a visa in time so I changed the destination, otherwise I would have stayed put in Spain.

Leggio1
06-12-14, 19:26
Bad news. /.

EU Ambassador to Ukraine Jan Tombinski: Ukraine could switch to a visa-free regime with the EU by the end of this year.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/tombinski-ukraine-may-switch-to-visa-free-regime-with-eu-by-end-of-this-year-351565.htmlInteresting. That would be the end of Kiev.

Jojosun
06-12-14, 21:16
Bad news. /.

EU Ambassador to Ukraine Jan Tombinski: Ukraine could switch to a visa-free regime with the EU by the end of this year.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/tombinski-ukraine-may-switch-to-visa-free-regime-with-eu-by-end-of-this-year-351565.htmlMoldova one of the poorest countries in Europe got Visa free regime as from 28 April 2014. " Moldovan citizens will no longer require visas to travel to the European Union beginning on Monday, as the bloc presses ahead with deeper ties with east European nations.

"http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/27/us-ukraine-crisis-moldova-eu-idUSBREA3Q0AS20140427.

No surprise there with Ukraine.

Good news for FKK clubs.

TexasMorrell
06-13-14, 02:43
Interesting. That would be the end of Kiev.Why is that the end of Kiev?

FiddyCent
06-13-14, 04:57
Why is that the end of Kiev?Hello TexasMorrell.

That would allow girls a free pass to work anywhere in Western Europe for BIG dollars. Why earn less money at home, when you can get a work visa elsewhere? However, I chatted with a lot of girls from Mamba. Many of them do not want to leave Kiev. That's the only good side to this story.

FiddyCent.

Misterxxx
06-13-14, 08:46
Hello TexasMorrell.

That would allow girls a free pass to work anywhere in Western Europe for BIG dollars. Why earn less money at home, when you can get a work visa elsewhere? However, I chatted with a lot of girls from Mamba. Many of them do not want to leave Kiev. That's the only good side to this story.

FiddyCent.A work visa and visa free travel are two different things.

Visa free travel doesn't mean that the girls can work in Fkk Clubs.

It will be a high risk for every Club owner to employ such a girl. Because it will be illegal.

Girls from EU countries (hungary, bulgaria, romania) can work without any problem.

They already flooded the market.

The only possibility for girls from the Ukraine will be the escort-business.

FiddyCent
06-13-14, 09:18
A work visa and visa free travel are two different things.

Visa free travel doesn't mean that the girls can work in Fkk Clubs.

It will be a high risk for every Club owner to employ such a girl. Because it will be illegal.

Girls from EU countries (hungary, bulgaria, romania) can work without any problem.

They already flooded the market.

The only possibility for girls from the Ukraine will be the escort-business.Hello Misterxxx.

I did not mention working at an FKK or a club in my report, however you do bring up a valid point. If the girls leave Kiev, they would most likely be working as independents, for big dollars. Fortunately, the girls I chatted with on Mamba would rather stay and live in Kiev. All is not lost.

FiddyCent.

Jojosun
06-13-14, 11:40
Hello Misterxxx.

I did not mention working at an FKK or a club in my report, however you do bring up a valid point. If the girls leave Kiev, they would most likely be working as independents, for big dollars. Fortunately, the girls I chatted with on Mamba would rather stay and live in Kiev. All is not lost.

FiddyCent.You are correct. You didn't mention working at an FKK club in your report. It was me who said " it must be good news for FKK clubs ". Visa free for Ukraine will the first step for Ukraine to join The EU and for its citizens getting work visas.


Hello TexasMorrell.

That would allow girls a free pass to work anywhere in Western Europe for BIG dollars

FiddyCent.However, EU Visa Free for UA citizens doesn't allow them entry to the UK as the UK is not a Schengen.

Member state.

Ganesha
06-13-14, 12:32
Girls from EU countries (hungary, bulgaria, romania) can work without any problem.

They already flooded the market...Even more ladies can work abroad and take residence in the EU. Many Moldavian people hold Romanian passports, due to common heritage. Plus Slovenia and the Baltic states.

You find plenty Ukrainian girls, who wish to travel abroad - 'Travelgirls' is loaded with them.

Therefore this point goes to Misterxxx: Travel or Work are different issues.

Leggio1
06-13-14, 12:56
Why is that the end of Kiev?A lot of regular girls will try to make it in a Western city. Since they are illegal, they will be motivated to find locals that will help them adjust. Good thing for single men. The high end hookers would no longer need a base from which to market from.

Jojosun
06-13-14, 13:03
How much do you pay for a good (english speaking?) taxi driver? What is the minimum amount of hours / days? I speak passable Russian, problem is that as soon as you speak somewhat understandable Russian, you open a floodgate and they assume that you can understand whatever they say to you.The driver was a young guy who didn't speak a word of English. Reception at my hotel recommended a company who did a quote on call, ie you tell them where to, when, route. They give you the quote on the phone plus the rate for waiting if you are going to hop on&off on your Taxi ride. They had the lowest minimum price as well.

Driver turned up on time, young who didn't speak a word of English and my Russian is limited to 3 words. . I wanted to go to Tixi omut strip club on the other side of the Dnipro. When we got there, he wanted to wait 4 me in his cab. I said no. No, you come with me, Strip Tease KLOB, all in English.

He understood fully. His eyes nearly popped out when we took 2 private dances with 2 beautiful strippers.

Long story short, when I got back to my hotel, he only charged me for the return ride (70 UAH) and didn't charge anything for the time we spent in the club about 2 hours. He didn't drink either.

Kept in touch with him every time I went there. . The only fixed price I paid him was what was on the meter. Anything else is up to me depending on my mood & how much I drank on the night.

Its amazing what one does with few words.

I use the same drivers in other EE places, few of them I've now known for few years. And if it wasn't for a certain driver in Szceczin in Poland, I wouldn't have found out about the Sex Clubs there in 2004 as none was listed or reviewed on ISG or anywhere else.

Here is a guide on how much to pay for Taxis in Kiev.

http://www.go2kiev.com/view/taxi.html

YellowPaul
06-13-14, 18:23
You are correct. You didn't mention working at an FKK club in your report. It was me who said " it must be good news for FKK clubs ". Visa free for Ukraine will the first step for Ukraine to join The EU and for its citizens getting work visas.

However, EU Visa Free for UA citizens doesn't allow them entry to the UK as the UK is not a Schengen.

Member state.Jo. Do you know anything about the newer "biometric" passports they are issuing in the EE? The article on Moldova said it had to be this new type of passport to travel visa free within the EU.

I remember I had this problem before with a Polish girl before as Canada allows visa free from Poland only with this kind of passport as well. I assume Ukraine will be the same with the EU too.

Jojosun
06-13-14, 20:08
Jo. Do you know anything about the newer "biometric" passports they are issuing in the EE? The article on Moldova said it had to be this new type of passport to travel visa free within the EU.

I remember I had this problem before with a Polish girl before as Canada allows visa free from Poland only with this kind of passport as well. I assume Ukraine will be the same with the EU too.Here is the background to it. http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/justice_freedom_security/fight_against_terrorism/l14154_en.htm.

"The Thessaloniki European Council on 19 and 20 June 2003 confirmed the need to take common measures on biometric identifiers and data for documents for third-country nationals, European Union citizens' passports and information systems.

In addition, the introduction of biometrics in passports and travel documents reflects the need for Member States participating in the United States Visa Waiver Program to align themselves with the relevant US legislation, so that their nationals may enter US territory without a visa."

I hear as from the end of next year 2015, all Airlines will require Biometric Passport before a passenger can board.

The US will only let in someone on a visa waiver scheme, ie Visa Free countries, say from the EU / Uk only if they are the holders of Biometric passports.

Jojosun
06-14-14, 01:32
jo. do you know anything about the newer "biometric" passports they are issuing in the ee? the article on moldova said it had to be this new type of passport to travel visa free within the eu."the first moldovan biometric passport was issued on 1 january 2006. the new obligatory moldovan biometric passport is available from 1 january 2011 . the passport of of moldova with biometric data contains a chip which stores the following digital information: holders blood type, digital fingerprints and holders digital image. for children **** of 12 years it is not be obligatory to submit digital fingerprints. current non-biometric and old biometric passports will remain valid until expiration date and will be valid for travel along with new biometric passports. "

only new moldovan biometric passports will be ok for entry to the eu.

lol. sorry for sounding as if its all, waffles, waffles& more waffles, but as you know eu rules&laws are made in brussels.

better be safe than sorry in the fight against terror & fraud.

Kiev Freak
06-14-14, 12:04
Same here, when I am in Kiev I don't do thrift. No Wizz Air, but prices flying from Amsterdam ain't that bad. Plus Schiphol is only about 30 minutes away from where I live. Ambrazura is about 30 minutes drive from the center with no traffic jams. And cab fares in Kiev are ridiculous, with what I pay in Holland for one taxi ride I can fund almost like a week's worth in Kiev. I don't think that trying out Ambrazura is such a big risk, while I am typing this I also feel a bit doubt whether I should post this, cause perhaps it is better if Ambrazura won't become that popular with foreign tourists.

How much do you pay for a good (english speaking?) taxi driver? What is the minimum amount of hours / days? I speak passable Russian, problem is that as soon as you speak somewhat understandable Russian, you open a floodgate and they assume that you can understand whatever they say to you.Anyone checked ambrazure? They offer sex or only finish by handjob after body massage? I tried dolly and rakuena and other I can't trerember name, none of them offer even blowjob. All I invited girls to my apartment but session included massage+handjob.

Ambrazura is also same? I'm not satisfied with only handjob, at leasty I would like to have a nice blowjob also.

Kiev Freak
06-14-14, 12:09
I found luxmassage and they said me sex ok no problem, "si intim" . I will check Kiev for these saloons and sseveral mamba girls I work on them. Anyone can recommend more salons that offer sex too ? Also this time i want to stay in hotel for securtiy issues in kiev. Which hotel can you recommend me guest friendly? If i make my reservation for 2 adults via booking com, they will charge joiner fee ? i nev er used hotels in kiev, always stayed aparrtments so im unfamiliar about hotels in kiev. please recommend me some hotels guestfriendly.

Jojosun
06-14-14, 16:03
Anyone checked ambrazure? They offer sex or only finish by handjob after body massage? I tried dolly and rakuena and other I can't trerember name, none of them offer even blowjob. All I invited girls to my apartment but session included massage+handjob.

Ambrazura is also same? I'm not satisfied with only handjob, at leasty I would like to have a nice blowjob also.
Sex is possible in ambrasura and salon dolly? Or only handjob?
Sex is possible in ambrasura and salon dolly? Or only handjob?No one replied to your original question in 2013?

On Amrazura site they don't mention Sex, just a lot of Shooting. See my post few pages down.

But on this link they do http://escortkiev.net/eskort-kiev-kira-2#image_default.

They State.

Adult services.

Basic services.

Sex vaginal.

Sex anal.

Gangbang.

Sex lesbian.

Oral in condom.

More.

Bareback.

Deep.

Cunnilingus.

Toys.

Role playing.

LOL. If I go there I will play the Role of Ukraine's new president Petro Poroshenko & tell the girls, Anal is now compulsory & included in the basic service.

Misterxxx
06-14-14, 17:37
I found luxmassage and they said me sex ok no problem, "si intim" . I will check Kiev for these saloons and sseveral mamba girls I work on them. Anyone can recommend more salons that offer sex too ? Also this time i want to stay in hotel for securtiy issues in kiev. Which hotel can you recommend me guest friendly? If i make my reservation for 2 adults via booking com, they will charge joiner fee ? i nev er used hotels in kiev, always stayed aparrtments so im unfamiliar about hotels in kiev. please recommend me some hotels guestfriendly.If you don't want to pay very much you can try the Royal Olympic Hotel (about 550 UAH in booking.com). It is situated between the Rus and President hotel. Some taxi drivers had a problem to find this place. No nice view from the windows, but not as bad as the reviews that I found in the internet. Absolutely not. Clean and with new, luxurious looking furniture. I had no problem to bring a girl thru the front door. But you can also use the back door entrance. This is the entrance to the restaurant and the floor behind that door will lead you directly to the hotel-elevators. Without any control.

http://www.booking.com/hotel/ua/d-d3-4nd-dd-d-d1-4d-d-do-dndud-n.de.html?aid=354852

Kiev Freak
06-16-14, 00:48
Thanks my friend, all hotels and aparts are almost 1/3 price around city. I want to test especially ambrazura. I made nice contacts from mamba, one of them wants to stay with me over weekend. If I like her I won't lose her for sex club. But if I have opportunty I really want to see this club very much. i reaLLY dont like to stay hotel, but at least, until i see the scene is safe, i will prefer hotels for securtiy

Kiev Freak
06-16-14, 14:59
I have trawled many of the Kiev parlours looking for full service but it never materialises. I note on the Relax web site they offer 'libertine' massage with the girl pleasuring herself with a toy. Is this a real offer do you think (or know) or just a teaser.Hi pal, I am searching the answer of same question. I found ambrazura and luxmassage. Simply called them to confirm sex is possible or not. Both confirmed sex is ok. No reviews about lux massage but some reviews about abrazura.

Jojosun
06-16-14, 15:53
Anyone here on site In Kiev can update on the present situation, re barricades, crowds etc?

Thanks in advance.

BTW, having problems uploading a report on another forum of ISG?

Member #4274
06-16-14, 22:59
Anyone here on site In Kiev can update on the present situation, re barricades, crowds etc?

Thanks in advance.

BTW, having problems uploading a report on another forum of ISG?I've been in this area everyday for the past week. Nothing exciting, nothing happening. Barricades are still there. Same as last month and the month before. Calm during the day, sketchy at night. Quite a few people / tourists around there on the weekend but nothing outrageous.

TheGeneral
06-16-14, 23:07
Hi everyone,

I'm a new member and this is my first official post even though I have been following the forum for a few months now. I must confess I do feel that I should have started posting my experiences from a few months ago but with work commitments I struggled to get around to it. (There were just too many to share and with the days passing my memory started to become more and and more hazy).

That's all about to change as I'm looking forward to becoming a regular contributor to the forum and supporting everyone here by sharing my knowledge and my future mongering experiences.

I was hoping you gentlemen could steer me in the right direction as to approaching women through Mamba. I am planning a trip to Ukraine along with a few neighboring countries and after reading almost all the pages from 2013 till date I've realized that Mamba can be hit or miss. Most of the guys who commented on Mamba have had decent success in the past.

Since I am not a member of Mamba (not yet at least) before I sign up I wanted some insight on what's the best tried approach out there. Is it better to be very direct with the girls in your message as to what you're looking for or be more generic / discreet and wait for her to reply and gradually bring up what you're really looking for. Are most of the profiles on Mamba of girls who are simply expecting to be asked by a foreigner for P4 P action?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

P.S. I did attempt to purchase my subscription today but for some reason it didn't work so will try again tomorrow so I can enable my PM's.

Thanks,

The General

Jojosun
06-17-14, 08:34
I've been in this area everyday for the past week. Nothing exciting, nothing happening. Barricades are still there. Same as last month and the month before. Calm during the day, sketchy at night. Quite a few people / tourists around there on the weekend but nothing outrageous.Thank you very much CB.

Kiev Freak
06-17-14, 11:47
Police still often stops foreigners and ask passport just as before, or no? I must carry my passport all time or only copy enough? Before I always carry a copy of passport.

Member #4274
06-17-14, 11:58
Police still often stops foreigners and ask passport just as before, or no? I must carry my passport all time or only copy enough? Before I always carry a copy of passport.I've lived in Kyiv for the past nine months and no one has asked me for my passport once. I've never even been approached by police. There have been a few situations where I've been speaking with an American colleague out loud in English on Kreshchatyk and no one stopped us. Now, that said, by law I believe you are supposed to have your passport with you at all times. I think if you have a copy of it they might let it slide, but you may have to present the original to the police station within a few days.

A part American, part Ukrainian buddy of mine here in Kyiv told me he always carries his passport with him. When I voiced my concerns about it being stolen, he said the Canadian embassy will have you a new one made in days and its less of a problem than being confronted without one by police. You can be arrested without it, he claims. I hope this helps.

Kiev Freak
06-17-14, 17:20
I've lived in Kyiv for the past nine months and no one has asked me for my passport once. I've never even been approached by police. There have been a few situations where I've been speaking with an American colleague out loud in English on Kreshchatyk and no one stopped us. Now, that said, by law I believe you are supposed to have your passport with you at all times. I think if you have a copy of it they might let it slide, but you may have to present the original to the police station within a few days.

A part American, part Ukrainian buddy of mine here in Kyiv told me he always carries his passport with him. When I voiced my concerns about it being stolen, he said the Canadian embassy will have you a new one made in days and its less of a problem than being confronted without one by police. You can be arrested without it, he claims. I hope this helps.Oh my god. I m still not sure what I am doing to go there now in this shit situation.

YellowPaul
06-17-14, 18:11
I've lived in Kyiv for the past nine months and no one has asked me for my passport once. I've never even been approached by police. There have been a few situations where I've been speaking with an American colleague out loud in English on Kreshchatyk and no one stopped us. Now, that said, by law I believe you are supposed to have your passport with you at all times. I think if you have a copy of it they might let it slide, but you may have to present the original to the police station within a few days.

A part American, part Ukrainian buddy of mine here in Kyiv told me he always carries his passport with him. When I voiced my concerns about it being stolen, he said the Canadian embassy will have you a new one made in days and its less of a problem than being confronted without one by police. You can be arrested without it, he claims. I hope this helps.I still think it is case of the cops more likely going after the guys that stand out and look like a obvious foreigner versus somebody that looks like a local for a potential shake down.

I always carry my passport now but I never did back in my 2012-13 trips. I met a German guy last year that looked like a local that people use to ask for directions even and he was never stopped once while Turkish and other guys were being hassled all around him as he walked backed late night on Kreshchatyk.

SamLondon
06-18-14, 03:21
Are you sure this was the reason, or did they do this, because too many girls complained? Cause I do this too regularly (albeit with VIP account, but I think you must have a VIP account too, or else you cannot write that many girls in one session.) and I do not get blocked.Admin at Mamba have got back to me re. My request to unblock my account. Apparently, as I copied the same message to more then 10 girls (13 girls actually. Which was unlucky for me. Nothing rude or commercial, just introductions but identical intros) This is classified as SPAMing by Mamba and they have therefore refused to unblock my account as I have broken their T&Cs. Variety, it seems, is the way to spice ones' life!

Kiev Freak
06-18-14, 15:46
Admin at Mamba have got back to me re. My request to unblock my account. Apparently, as I copied the same message to more then 10 girls (13 girls actually. Which was unlucky for me. Nothing rude or commercial, just introductions but identical intros) This is classified as SPAMing by Mamba and they have therefore refused to unblock my account as I have broken their T&Cs. Variety, it seems, is the way to spice ones' life!Mamba start to make it so often, I think they don't want sex tourist's money, just same with Ukrainian people. Even facebook and vk isn't so strict.

ChessB
06-18-14, 21:06
Has anybody tried Tour Bar? Looks like a spin-off Mamba?

How14
06-19-14, 14:28
Oh my god. I m still not sure what I am doing to go there now in this shit situation.I have just came back from a 12 day stint in Kiev, and I have to say its prob the best visit I've had, I've been going to Kiev 2-3 times a year since 2006, this was by far my best visit, maybe the currency helped, maybe the lack of tourism helped, but me and my mate were getting girls left, right and centre, some freebies, and I'm in my 50's, many mamba girls very keen to get acquainted. Met girls on Kreshatyk handing out business cards, freelance girls asking 500/600 grivna, fit girls as well.

On the other side of the coin many Ukrainians complaining that lack of tourism is giving them big problems. We went to kievsco larva the religious place near arsenala, many people there moaning not enough tourists, even Russian tourists who are big tippers. I bought 10 apple iPhones which were from a proper apple retail shop, they are up to £120 cheaper than uk. I bought a load of local currency for my next trip, the rate was fantastic.

There is a new shooters in Podil, just next to ploshtova ploshcha metro, its 24 hours also and is a great place to hang out, really with the exchange rate being what it is, nows the time to go, don't be put off, we also visited the olympic stadium the full tour was 50 grvna, I bought a dynamo Kiev training top there, I noticed at night when I wore it, that walking thru maidan to get to our apartment I was warmly greeted, when I wasn't wearing the top I got a few stares etc, etc, no problems but just a bit off putting late at night.

Go to Kiev with confidence, beautiful city, beautiful people. I'm a rockabilly guitarist, and now I notice a rockabilly scene emerging in Kiev, young people all tattooed and wearing 50's clothes, getting into the music etc, its really great to see.

Kiev Freak
06-20-14, 07:39
http://www.top-modals.com/?h=mobi&id=6796

I am not into 'pure' working girls so I never tried topmodals, but this girl here looks interesting and has good Reviews. Anyone knows her?I will test her if I have time my friend. This is for you).

Kiev Freak
06-20-14, 07:46
Has anybody tried Tour Bar? Looks like a spin-off Mamba?This scam, another version of travelgirls. Better invest your money on sponsored girls.

Kiev Freak
06-20-14, 07:50
I have just came back from a 12 day stint in Kiev, and I have to say its prob the best visit I've had, I've been going to Kiev 2-3 times a year since 2006, this was by far my best visit, maybe the currency helped, maybe the lack of tourism helped, but me and my mate were getting girls left, right and centre, some freebies, and I'm in my 50's, many mamba girls very keen to get acquainted. Met girls on Kreshatyk handing out business cards, freelance girls asking 500/600 grivna, fit girls as well.

On the other side of the coin many Ukrainians complaining that lack of tourism is giving them big problems. We went to kievsco larva the religious place near arsenala, many people there moaning not enough tourists, even Russian tourists who are big tippers. I bought 10 apple iPhones which were from a proper apple retail shop, they are up to 120 cheaper than uk. I bought a load of local currency for my next trip, the rate was fantastic.

There is a new shooters in Podil, just next to ploshtova ploshcha metro, its 24 hours also and is a great place to hang out, really with the exchange rate being what it is, nows the time to go, don't be put off, we also visited the olympic stadium the full tour was 50 grvna, I bought a dynamo Kiev training top there, I noticed at night when I wore it, that walking thru maidan to get to our apartment I was warmly greeted, when I wasn't wearing the top I got a few stares etc, etc, no problems but just a bit off putting late at night.

Go to Kiev with confidence, beautiful city, beautiful people. I'm a rockabilly guitarist, and now I notice a rockabilly scene emerging in Kiev, young people all tattooed and wearing 50's clothes, getting into the music etc, its really great to see.Many thanks pal, it is getting me exciting)) today I'm flyinmg. Police asks passport? I am very afraid to carry my passport with me, I am sometimes drunk at night with girls and out of contreol. Probably one of the biggest problem to lost your passport. Copy of passport enough like old happy Kiev days? P.S. I only can go for 2 days ((longer holidays (mean 4-5 days) I prefer to visit asia.

PS :


I" There is a new shooters in Podil, just next to ploshtova ploshcha metro" what is this ? please give me more detail. another n,ght club similar with shoothers?

Ganesha
06-20-14, 10:45
Probably one of the biggest problem to lost your passport. Copy of passport enough like old happy Kiev days?When traveling Europe, you always have to carry your passport with you. That's nothing specific to the Ukraine.

ID-Card would be fine too, but a 'drivers license' is not accepted as ID-Card. When you are loosing it, you will spend extra time at the city going to your Embassy.

A photocopy is just worth a sheet of toilet paper.

How14
06-20-14, 18:18
Many thanks pal, it is getting me exciting)) today I'm flyinmg. Police asks passport? I am very afraid to carry my passport with me, I am sometimes drunk at night with girls and out of contreol. Probably one of the biggest problem to lost your passport. Copy of passport enough like old happy Kiev days? P.S. I only can go for 2 days ((longer holidays (mean 4-5 days) I prefer to visit asia.

PS:

What is this? Please give me more detail. another n,ght club similar with shoothers?No no, its just another Shooters in another neighbourhood, nowhere near as successful as the well known Shooters, but like I say, its a great place to hang out. The Podil area is very beautiful, and is considered to be the new "in place" to wine and dine etc, late at night after 23.00 it becomes quiet.

CastOnThis
06-20-14, 18:23
I hear Putin is sending armor to Eastern Ukraine, this will eventually be doing to Kiev. Are any of you going to be leaving Kiev sometime soon? Is it really safe enough or cheap enough? What is the deal with Arena City? Is it working fine? The pros are plenty or more beautiful than last time? How is the electricity and water supply? By Fall / wWnter beginning, I imagine the situation will deteriorate even more than it is now.

How14
06-20-14, 18:44
All is quiet in Kiev, kreshatyk itself is a bit of an eyesore, barricades, tents, tyres stacked up etc, etc, business as usual, but in Maidan if you are forced to walk thru it because maybe your apartment is up the hill is a bit off putting late at night, no big deal but just a bit. Thats why I started wearing my dynamo Kiev top in the night, never got any funny looks at all wearing that, I wear it because I'm a fan of dynamo, not to mix in with the locals, but it occurred to me that it was a good way to be anonymous if that's what you want.

Met some really attractive girls who were camped there and part of the die hard defences, its very strange to see this.

How14
06-20-14, 18:54
Returned to my favourite salon Dolly on Pushkinskaya street. My favourite girl there was Oxana who, I've been told by the girl on the phone was "sacked" for offering services other than massage, anyway I chose dasha, a lean, white skinned size 6, what a toned hard body and filthy looking. I seen her once in the salon, then had her and her friend come to our apartment, no extra charge for taxi as it was close to the salon. I would highly recommend this girl. We had some good fun in the apartment, drinks and a bit of banter, another girl I would recommend is julia, very heavy tits but well formed, very pretty girl, very sensual. I love these massages places because if a plan goes wrong on the street or a girl messes you about and does not show up, then you have the massage salons to rely on, and with the exchange rate being what it is, we were getting 30 min massages for literally $16, or 12 euros, now that's cheap, value for money, where else could you have a young hard bodied student giving you this service for such a price?

Fantastic. I highly recommend salon Dolly.

Kiev Freak
06-21-14, 00:05
I visited ambrazura today. Great pşace, sauna, pool, there are 10 girls about, and time was 24.00. I opened 2 bottles of martini champaigne, 2 beers, 1,5 hours ith 2 girls, lezbi show and sex with both and paid about 500 bucks. I think they charged me more than normal, but I only stay here 2 nights and doesn't matter. I like it. You must visit there if you are not satisfied only by hand job.

Kiev Freak
06-21-14, 00:55
I will test her if I have time my friend. This is for you).Doctororal, she is fake. Agency sent another girl. Ugly. I rejected. Now sleepy, tomorrow I have several date and I muust see roksolona who is my favorite blondika from 5 rooms. I was planning to visit strip clubs, but my grriva finish. Bankomat doesn't gve more than 3000. I ddont want use dollars for deals. Better to sleep.

P.S.: downtown to ambrazuta taxi is 91 uah when you take from uklan. Ambrazura to downtown street taxi charged 120.. ambrazura changes 1 dollars : 10 uah beware. and cialis dont let me sleep although half bottle of icy jack!

Member #4274
06-21-14, 02:13
I hear Putin is sending armor to Eastern Ukraine, this will eventually be doing to Kiev. Are any of you going to be leaving Kiev sometime soon? Is it really safe enough or cheap enough? What is the deal with Arena City? Is it working fine? The pros are plenty or more beautiful than last time? How is the electricity and water supply? By Fall / wWnter beginning, I imagine the situation will deteriorate even more than it is now.For someone residing in Kyiv, these questions strike me as funny, if not three months outdated. Yes, I'm actually leaving Ukraine and not returning until 2015 when I hope the situation stabilizes a bit more. Love it here but I've been in Kyiv since before the protests began last fall and enough is enough. Kyiv is safe and calm now but the East of Ukraine is a war zone. Putin is not sending armor to Kyiv.

As for your other questions, by Western standards Kyiv is very cheap, depending on what you want to do, however. Clubs and strip clubs are not cheap. You asked about electricity and water supply which is baffling; I think you have Kyiv and Crimea mixed up completely. As for how the situation will evolve, you can ask 10 different Ukrainians and you will get 10 different responses because no one knows for sure.

FiddyCent
06-21-14, 05:18
For someone residing in Kyiv, these questions strike me as funny, if not three months outdated. Yes, I'm actually leaving Ukraine and not returning until 2015 when I hope the situation stabilizes a bit more. Love it here but I've been in Kyiv since before the protests began last fall and enough is enough. Kyiv is safe and calm now but the East of Ukraine is a war zone. Putin is not sending armor to Kyiv.

As for your other questions, by Western standards Kyiv is very cheap, depending on what you want to do, however. Clubs and strip clubs are not cheap. You asked about electricity and water supply which is baffling; I think you have Kyiv and Crimea mixed up completely. As for how the situation will evolve, you can ask 10 different Ukrainians and you will get 10 different responses because no one knows for sure.Hello CB.

I am sad to hear you will be leaving Kiev. Was looking forward to meeting up with you and having a shot of Woodford Reserve. My return is still a few months away and the cease-fire seems to be supported by Putin. Still it will take some time for the region to recover. I have been sending out messages to the Mamba girls and have received some positive results. Still it would have been better had I had the opportunity to hang out with you and to have you show me around. My offer still stands, so please PM me.

All the best to you CB.

FiddyCent.

Sorbonne
06-21-14, 10:12
For someone residing in Kyiv, these questions strike me as funny, if not three months outdated. Yes, I'm actually leaving Ukraine and not returning until 2015 when I hope the situation stabilizes a bit more. Love it here but I've been in Kyiv since before the protests began last fall and enough is enough. Kyiv is safe and calm now but the East of Ukraine is a war zone. Putin is not sending armor to Kyiv.

As for your other questions, by Western standards Kyiv is very cheap, depending on what you want to do, however. Clubs and strip clubs are not cheap. You asked about electricity and water supply which is baffling; I think you have Kyiv and Crimea mixed up completely. As for how the situation will evolve, you can ask 10 different Ukrainians and you will get 10 different responses because no one knows for sure.Enough is enough? You mean the political situation interferes with your daily life in Kiev? How so?

As someone who has been looking for ways to move to Kiev for a while, the recent report that Ukraine may have a travel visa deal with EU concerns me greatly.

In any case, move there or not, I feel like getting back there asap when the exchange rate is good.

Sorbonne
06-21-14, 10:24
Returned to my favourite salon Dolly on Pushkinskaya street. My favourite girl there was Oxana who, I've been told by the girl on the phone was "sacked" for offering services other than massage, anyway I chose dasha, a lean, white skinned size 6, what a toned hard body and filthy looking. I seen her once in the salon, then had her and her friend come to our apartment, no extra charge for taxi as it was close to the salon. I would highly recommend this girl. We had some good fun in the apartment, drinks and a bit of banter, another girl I would recommend is julia, very heavy tits but well formed, very pretty girl, very sensual. I love these massages places because if a plan goes wrong on the street or a girl messes you about and does not show up, then you have the massage salons to rely on, and with the exchange rate being what it is, we were getting 30 min massages for literally $16, or 12 euros, now that's cheap, value for money, where else could you have a young hard bodied student giving you this service for such a price?

Fantastic. I highly recommend salon Dolly.

I agree.

I see a new price structure on their website. Interesting. There used to be no 30 min. erotic massage offered.

Oksana? Didn't she become a manager there after working as a masseuse? Or a different Oksana?

Another manager who also worked as a masseuse before and who may have fired OKsana offered me services other than masssage, too, LOL.

Jojosun
06-21-14, 14:10
I visited ambrazura today. Great pşace, sauna, pool, there are 10 girls about, and time was 24.00. I opened 2 bottles of martini champaigne, 2 beers, 1,5 hours ith 2 girls, lezbi show and sex with both and paid about 500 bucks. I think they charged me more than normal, but I only stay here 2 nights and doesn't matter. I like it. You must visit there if you are not satisfied only by hand job.Thank you KF for your report on Ambrazura. It sounds very good with the space, pool ,10 girls. Sauna. Kiev FKK?

How much was it for the Champagne, each bottle?

I know at sex clubs in Poland its not obligatory to but Lady drinks, but it does help to build a bit of chemistry with the girl of your fancy before you head to the bedroom. And in this case buying a bottle to a hot girl works out cheaper than buying single drinks and less chance of being overcharged as you know beforehand how much the bottle costs?

Jojosun
06-21-14, 14:13
P.S.: downtown to ambrazuta taxi is 91 uah when you take from uklan. Ambrazura to downtown street taxi charged 120.. ambrazura changes 1 dollars : 10 uah beware. and cialis dont let me sleep although half bottle of icy jack!You phoned for a cab or took a street Taxi?

Member #4491
06-21-14, 23:37
Hello!

Heading back to Kiev and surrounding next week. Maybe it is a long shot but does anyone here by any chance want to share details to some busty girls? Preferably reliable. I do not have time to fuck around with canceled appointments.

The attached one was a student (friend of The Knight's GF at the time) that unfortunately got engaged, but oh what a nice surprise when she unleashed those heavy tits. I knew she was curvy, but these knockers took me off guard totally when she unbuttoned her shirt. Had to stop banging her several times to just see them, suck them and squeeze them. We did not shower first so she was a little bit sweaty under her tits, and that aroused med even more. Her pussy tasted and smelled sweet and fresh, but still not totally without character, since she just came from her lecture. She was wet already when I took of her panties and it was a true afternoon treat to lick her and taste her, while massaging those jugs. I fucked her bareback and planned to creampie her tight and wet pussy, but could just not stop myself from shooting over her wonder tits instead. One of those noteworthy days In Kiev.

Since she is engaged and probably married by now, I can not share her details but most of the ISGers who know me will testify that that Barba is generous in sharing and always pays his debts.

Your help in Barba's quest for jugs will be most appreciated.

B

Naked Gunz
06-22-14, 01:37
Hello! but oh what a nice surprise when she unleashed those heavy tits. I knew she was curvy, but these knockers took me off guard totally when she unbuttoned her shirt.
Since she is engaged and probably married by now, I can not share her details but most of the ISGers who know me will testify that that Barba is generous in sharing and always pays his debts.That's an awesome body on that one. Too bad she will soon start dropping kids and ruin it. Bodies like that are what I live for, thanks for sharing!

Member #4274
06-22-14, 09:14
Hello!

Heading back to Kiev and surrounding next week. Maybe it is a long shot but does anyone here by any chance want to share details to some busty girls? Preferably reliable. I do not have time to fuck around with canceled appointments.

The attached one was a student (friend of The Knight's GF at the time) that unfortunately got engaged, but oh what a nice surprise when she unleashed those heavy tits. I knew she was curvy, but these knockers took me off guard totally when she unbuttoned her shirt. Had to stop banging her several times to just see them, suck them and squeeze them. We did not shower first so she was a little bit sweaty under her tits, and that aroused med even more. Her pussy tasted and smelled sweet and fresh, but still not totally without character, since she just came from her lecture. She was wet already when I took of her panties and it was a true afternoon treat to lick her and taste her, while massaging those jugs. I fucked her bareback and planned to creampie her tight and wet pussy, but could just not stop myself from shooting over her wonder tits instead. One of those noteworthy days In Kiev.

Since she is engaged and probably married by now, I can not share her details but most of the ISGers who know me will testify that that Barba is generous in sharing and always pays his debts.

Your help in Barba's quest for jugs will be most appreciated.

BBarba,

Your inbox is full, sir. I can't send you a message.

FiddyCent
06-22-14, 18:10
Barba,

Your inbox is full, sir. I can't send you a message.Hello CB.

I would not mind receiving some of your contacts either. It must be my fault that Barba's INBOX is FULL. I have been sending him some PMs. Apologies. I will honor our previous agreement or pay it forward.

Thank you my friend.

FiddyCent.

Kiev Freak
06-23-14, 15:42
19 yo chubby teen. 1000 uah for 3 hours. Deep throat BBBJ, cif, brutal sex and great toy in bed. Body 5-6 face 6-7. But better than stunning Rio girls. I visit strip clubs mandarin, dolly, Rio. There were absolute 3-4 stunners in Rio.otjers club girls were normal. about 7-8. I took several private lap dances in rio which costs 300 uah each. Girls even don't accept to kiss if I take them to home. They all said no kissing, no daty, no BBBJ, don't touch there and there. I didn't like to be scammed after I pay 300 dollars for 3 hours. It is better to have an 6-7 in your bed who is obeying all your requests other than a mechanical stunning 8-9 (even I don't mention about 10's).

Strip clubs only traps for sex tourist, do your homework well, have some patience, and mamba will give you many opportunities.

Also I took a mickie mouse costumed girl from maidan, she was promoting someting, 20 yo studenka. 800 uah for 2 hours.

Now in Kiev not many competetion. Girls like to meet more than old.

Kiev Freak
06-23-14, 15:58
Thank you KF for your report on Ambrazura. It sounds very good with the space, pool ,10 girls. Sauna. Kiev FKK?

How much was it for the Champagne, each bottle?

I know at sex clubs in Poland its not obligatory to but Lady drinks, but it does help to build a bit of chemistry with the girl of your fancy before you head to the bedroom. And in this case buying a bottle to a hot girl works out cheaper than buying single drinks and less chance of being overcharged as you know beforehand how much the bottle costs?

I called taxi by uklan to go saloon. To come back to home, I could hardly find a street cab. I was fully inside white dress, white jacket, white shoes, white pants and in middle of dark streets alone, where is out of town in front of ambrazura in night 02. I was screaming " I am a gringo came here for sex) I really was afraid, because I had to walk alone in empty dark streets about 15-20 minutes to find a cab. Ambrazura mamanger told me go out and taxi would come, but nothing came. I jumped luckily a street cab and charged 120 uah to go back, I happily accepted.

If you visit ambrazura be sure you have a taxi when you go out from saloon or you can be screwed in dark streets.

Champaigne was 300 uah. girls didnt insist so much for drink. alcohols were same price for you and girl, different than thailand, no lady drink price. bbbj, cif included for two girls.

How14
06-23-14, 19:48
I agree.

I see a new price structure on their website. Interesting. There used to be no 30 min. erotic massage offered.

Oksana? Didn't she become a manager there after working as a masseuse? Or a different Oksana?

Another manager who also worked as a masseuse before and who may have fired OKsana offered me services other than masssage, too, LOL.Don't know about the new structure or prices, I've been going to salon Dolly for 4 years and I've always asked for a 30 min erotic massage and I've always paid 200, I think.

This was a special price tailored for me because I insisted I just wanted 30 minutes, which I think is long enough. I think its a different Oxsana we are talking about.

How14
06-23-14, 19:53
Hello!

Heading back to Kiev and surrounding next week. Maybe it is a long shot but does anyone here by any chance want to share details to some busty girls? Preferably reliable. I do not have time to fuck around with canceled appointments.

The attached one was a student (friend of The Knight's GF at the time) that unfortunately got engaged, but oh what a nice surprise when she unleashed those heavy tits. I knew she was curvy, but these knockers took me off guard totally when she unbuttoned her shirt. Had to stop banging her several times to just see them, suck them and squeeze them. We did not shower first so she was a little bit sweaty under her tits, and that aroused med even more. Her pussy tasted and smelled sweet and fresh, but still not totally without character, since she just came from her lecture. She was wet already when I took of her panties and it was a true afternoon treat to lick her and taste her, while massaging those jugs. I fucked her bareback and planned to creampie her tight and wet pussy, but could just not stop myself from shooting over her wonder tits instead. One of those noteworthy days In Kiev.

Since she is engaged and probably married by now, I can not share her details but most of the ISGers who know me will testify that that Barba is generous in sharing and always pays his debts.

Your help in Barba's quest for jugs will be most appreciated.

BStill a bit of spunk dripped onto her thigh there Barba.

Member #4274
06-24-14, 12:15
Heading back to the Motherland this week after a nothing short of an adventurous and tumultuous year in Kyiv. Will be returning in 2015 but uncertain where in Ukraine I will end up; maybe Kharkov, maybe Dnepropetrovsk, maybe who knows.

Regardless, if anyone is considering heading to Kyiv for whatever reason and require some advice, feel free to contact me concerning apartment locations, cafes, pubs with Guinness, places with English speaking waitress and free wi-fi or even some terrific restaurants that are not in the center but definitely worth visiting. Also, general questions about Kyiv such as how to use the metro system. While I am by no means the only person on this site who knows something about Kyiv, I am more than happy to help those in need. I may not have all the answers but I will do my best.

What I will not do, to nip this in the bud immediately, is give out contact names and numbers of girls. Don't even bother asking. Most of the girls I know, anyway, are off the grid, so to speak, and are not interested in meeting guys in Kyiv for a weekend vacation. I also know nothing about clubs or strip clubs. No interest in them.

Take care and enjoy Kyiv!

Excess
06-24-14, 20:15
Very much enjoyed your informative and insightful posts on Ukraine, CB. A pleasure to read.

Your final post below very well demonstrated your willingness and classy attitude to share all manner of advice and suggestions. Many thanks, once again Eh!

2015 will be a great one.

Excess.


Heading back to the Motherland this week after a nothing short of an adventurous and tumultuous year in Kyiv. Will be returning in 2015 but uncertain where in Ukraine I will end up; maybe Kharkov, maybe Dnepropetrovsk, maybe who knows.

Regardless, if anyone is considering heading to Kyiv for whatever reason and require some advice, feel free to contact me concerning apartment locations, cafes, pubs with Guinness, places with English speaking waitress and free wi-fi or even some terrific restaurants that are not in the center but definitely worth visiting. Also, general questions about Kyiv such as how to use the metro system. While I am by no means the only person on this site who knows something about Kyiv, I am more than happy to help those in need. I may not have all the answers but I will do my best.

What I will not do, to nip this in the bud immediately, is give out contact names and numbers of girls. Don't even bother asking. Most of the girls I know, anyway, are off the grid, so to speak, and are not interested in meeting guys in Kyiv for a weekend vacation. I also know nothing about clubs or strip clubs. No interest in them.

Take care and enjoy Kyiv!

BrasilSoccer0
06-24-14, 21:00
CB,

We've exchanged PMs and you've always been a class act type of guy.

I relate to your way of mongering life and respect you.

Ukraine is not on my radar yet, I need a beach badly. LOL.

But I know I can count on your help when I plan my Ukraine trip in the future.


Heading back to the Motherland this week after a nothing short of an adventurous and tumultuous year in Kyiv. Will be returning in 2015 but uncertain where in Ukraine I will end up; maybe Kharkov, maybe Dnepropetrovsk, maybe who knows.

Regardless, if anyone is considering heading to Kyiv for whatever reason and require some advice, feel free to contact me concerning apartment locations, cafes, pubs with Guinness, places with English speaking waitress and free wi-fi or even some terrific restaurants that are not in the center but definitely worth visiting. Also, general questions about Kyiv such as how to use the metro system. While I am by no means the only person on this site who knows something about Kyiv, I am more than happy to help those in need. I may not have all the answers but I will do my best.

What I will not do, to nip this in the bud immediately, is give out contact names and numbers of girls. Don't even bother asking. Most of the girls I know, anyway, are off the grid, so to speak, and are not interested in meeting guys in Kyiv for a weekend vacation. I also know nothing about clubs or strip clubs. No interest in them.

Take care and enjoy Kyiv!

TheGeneral
06-24-14, 21:14
I would like to second that, CanadianBoy has been very open to helping me out as well, even though I am a new member. Your advice has been invaluable in planning my trip to Kiev, I hope to exchange a few more PM's to really enhance my first ever trip to Ukraine.

You've gone out of your way to point out all the bases I need to cover for my trip, it is going to be a Grand Slam of a vacation thanks to you.

You're a Legend in my book.

Thanks,

TheGeneral

How14
06-24-14, 22:01
Heading back to the Motherland this week after a nothing short of an adventurous and tumultuous year in Kyiv. Will be returning in 2015 but uncertain where in Ukraine I will end up; maybe Kharkov, maybe Dnepropetrovsk, maybe who knows.

Regardless, if anyone is considering heading to Kyiv for whatever reason and require some advice, feel free to contact me concerning apartment locations, cafes, pubs with Guinness, places with English speaking waitress and free wi-fi or even some terrific restaurants that are not in the center but definitely worth visiting. Also, general questions about Kyiv such as how to use the metro system. While I am by no means the only person on this site who knows something about Kyiv, I am more than happy to help those in need. I may not have all the answers but I will do my best.

What I will not do, to nip this in the bud immediately, is give out contact names and numbers of girls. Don't even bother asking. Most of the girls I know, anyway, are off the grid, so to speak, and are not interested in meeting guys in Kyiv for a weekend vacation. I also know nothing about clubs or strip clubs. No interest in them.

Take care and enjoy Kyiv!Have enjoyed your posts in the past CB, all good, just can't understand your reluctance not to share any info here, what's all that about? Is this not a sharing sex forum? Your choice of course, but I wonder why you keep it all to yourself?

How14
06-24-14, 22:03
CB,

We've exchanged PMs and you've always been a class act type of guy.

I relate to your way of mongering life and respect you.

Ukraine is not on my radar yet, I need a beach badly. LOL.

But I know I can count on your help when I plan my Ukraine trip in the future.Need a beach? Plenty of beaches in Kiev, they are all over the place.

Member #4274
06-24-14, 23:45
have enjoyed your posts in the past cb, all good, just can't understand your reluctance not to share any info here, what's all that about? is this not a sharing sex forum? your choice of course, but i wonder why you keep it all to yourself?i have a few reasons for why i don't share contacts unless i've met the person or they've shared some generously with me (which i never request). one main reason is, i don't know who people on this site truly are. meaning, you could be a gentleman or you could be a convicted [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126). who's to say? the girls i meet here in kyiv have been generally off the grid. meaning, not girls from mamba or from strip clubs. it usually means they've become friends to me and came to me when in financial need. i would prefer not to throw them to whomever. i think most people can understand this.

if someone is in need of help with coming to kyiv or i think there is some information people should know pertaining to kyiv, then i share it gladly. i even share my experiences with women i have met in kyiv. however, some things i believe should remain private. for the record, i have shared mamba contacts with mongers before, but these are women most people could find with a little effort. at the moment, i have no idea what women are available on mamba, to be honest. when you live here mamba becomes unnecessary.

FiddyCent
06-25-14, 01:22
i have a few reasons for why i don't share contacts unless i've met the person or they've shared some generously with me (which i never request). one main reason is, i don't know who people on this site truly are. meaning, you could be a gentleman or you could be a convicted [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126). who's to say? the girls i meet here in kyiv have been generally off the grid. meaning, not girls from mamba or from strip clubs. it usually means they've become friends to me and came to me when in financial need. i would prefer not to throw them to whomever. i think most people can understand this.

if someone is in need of help with coming to kyiv or i think there is some information people should know pertaining to kyiv, then i share it gladly. i even share my experiences with women i have met in kyiv. however, some things i believe should remain private. for the record, i have shared mamba contacts with mongers before, but these are women most people could find with a little effort. at the moment, i have no idea what women are available on mamba, to be honest. when you live here mamba becomes unnecessary.hello cb.

during one of our first conversations, you did say that "6 months was a world away". who would have guessed that in less than two months, you have decided to pull the plug on kiev? it would have been fun to meet you there and hang out in the bars for drinks. without you there, i am now thinking twice about a return to kiev. my third tour of kiev would have been much better, if you were there to lead the way. i respect your decision to keep your contact list private. i was hoping for more of a wingman than a pimp. i say that with respect. you know where i am coming from. fortunately, i do still have some contacts there, but since my visits are brief, they may not be as committed, as the girls i was hoping to be introduced to. some mamba girls were just in it for the quick cash. i was looking for a deeper relationship. i will keep searching, and with the help from others, i have enough for me to make a return visit. i wish you all the best. give me a shout if you happen to visit my neck of the woods and if you happen to return to the ukraine.

budmo!

fiddycent.

Epicurus
06-25-14, 14:56
LOL am in Kiev at the moment and just got accosted by a girl in Mickey mouse costume. Wants to take pictures with me, asked if I had coins from my country and eventually just begged for money cause she was a poor student. Never entered my mind to make her an offer.) altho she wasnt alone, there were also boys in other costumes ganging up on me to take pictures. But if it was the same girl, not bad.).


19 yo chubby teen. 1000 uah for 3 hours. Deep throat BBBJ, cif, brutal sex and great toy in bed. Body 5-6 face 6-7. But better than stunning Rio girls. I visit strip clubs mandarin, dolly, Rio. There were absolute 3-4 stunners in Rio.otjers club girls were normal. about 7-8. I took several private lap dances in rio which costs 300 uah each. Girls even don't accept to kiss if I take them to home. They all said no kissing, no daty, no BBBJ, don't touch there and there. I didn't like to be scammed after I pay 300 dollars for 3 hours. It is better to have an 6-7 in your bed who is obeying all your requests other than a mechanical stunning 8-9 (even I don't mention about 10's).

Strip clubs only traps for sex tourist, do your homework well, have some patience, and mamba will give you many opportunities.

Also I took a mickie mouse costumed girl from maidan, she was promoting someting, 20 yo studenka. 800 uah for 2 hours.

Now in Kiev not many competetion. Girls like to meet more than old.

Epicurus
06-25-14, 15:03
Doctororal, she is fake. Agency sent another girl. Ugly. I rejected. Now sleepy, tomorrow I have several date and I muust see roksolona who is my favorite blondika from 5 rooms. I was planning to visit strip clubs, but my grriva finish. Bankomat doesn't gve more than 3000. I ddont want use dollars for deals. Better to sleep.

P.S.: downtown to ambrazuta taxi is 91 uah when you take from uklan. Ambrazura to downtown street taxi charged 120.. ambrazura changes 1 dollars : 10 uah beware. and cialis dont let me sleep although half bottle of icy jack!Just arrived in Kiev, haven't taken a taxi yet, but Damn that's a 50% increase in taxi fares from when I was here in April.

Moski
06-25-14, 19:04
I would like to second that, CanadianBoy has been very open to helping me out as well, even though I am a new member. Your advice has been invaluable in planning my trip to Kiev, I hope to exchange a few more PM's to really enhance my first ever trip to Ukraine.

You've gone out of your way to point out all the bases I need to cover for my trip, it is going to be a Grand Slam of a vacation thanks to you.

You're a Legend in my book.

Thanks,

TheGeneralI second that, thank you and good luck CanadianBoy.

Moski

Member #4274
06-26-14, 01:37
LOL am in Kiev at the moment and just got accosted by a girl in Mickey mouse costume. Wants to take pictures with me, asked if I had coins from my country and eventually just begged for money cause she was a poor student. Never entered my mind to make her an offer.) altho she wasnt alone, there were also boys in other costumes ganging up on me to take pictures. But if it was the same girl, not bad.).I know exactly what girl you're talking about. I ran into her on Kreshchatyk on Tuesday with another girl. Both super cute. There are even a few young ladies holding those stupid white birds on Kreshchatyk and two of them are very doable. I actually gave one of them my number back in April and I started getting strange phone calls from a guy who only spoke Ukrainian.

Raffzahn
06-26-14, 15:33
Just arrived in Kiev, haven't taken a taxi yet, but Damn that's a 50% increase in taxi fares from when I was here in April.Take the bus. Runs every 15-20 minutes, almost as fast as a taxi (city is a trafic jam anyway), drops you at Kharkivska metro (right when trafic gets dense), and still costs only like UAH 50.

Tuggen
06-26-14, 21:38
In Kiev over weekend. I will then be in Kiev 2 weeks end of July. Perhaps there will be someone who is interessted to meetup at some time.

Gergiev
06-28-14, 03:53
Heading back to the Motherland this week after a nothing short of an adventurous and tumultuous year in Kyiv. Will be returning in 2015 but uncertain where in Ukraine I will end up; maybe Kharkov, maybe Dnepropetrovsk, maybe who knows.

Take care and enjoy Kyiv!Just a quick post to add my own thanks and appreciation to CB for his voluminous posts and feedback here.

Always a succinct and pithy contributor to the forum, like on Belarus in the recent past.

Good luck with all and hopefully we haven't heard the last from you! :)

Jojosun
06-28-14, 09:40
Just a quick post to add my own thanks and appreciation to CB for his voluminous posts and feedback here.

Always a succinct and pithy contributor to the forum, like on Belarus in the recent past.

Good luck with all and hopefully we haven't heard the last from you! :)Seconded and very well said Gergiev.

CB deserves a rest from the Kiev Scene to recharge his batteries and hopefully hear from him sooner.

For he's a Jolly Good Fellow And so say all of us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLv9SBISgS8

Kiev Freak
06-28-14, 10:25
I met with a girl in airport kiev and invited her to my home country. She accepted to come and will stay with me 2 days. She actually was travelling to another man when I saw her. She said this honestly. I think she is a semipro. I promised her to establish long term sponsorship and she happily accepted. Her face and body 8 maybe 8,5-9 . Really I am stunned. She also so sexy dressed when I saw her. She is 24 yo. How much I must pay her? I am planning to "help" between 300-500 depending on her service. I will take her to hospital and make important tests for bareback sex. Also tickets I paid 550 $ . Amount between 300-500 should be enough? I usually gave this amount, not much more than 500 , usually, when girls visit me. What do you think?

She was very lovely and even we kissed in airport and keep hand by hand and drink together))

I love Kiev, fellas. The aim of my life, Kiev and Pattaya).

Prosal
06-28-14, 12:32
Any good sport bar in the center to watch the matches tonight?

Thanks

Cornoir
06-28-14, 16:20
Can anyone recommend a guide in Kiev for interpreting as well as running errands and research? I have tried to set up a few online, but most are too expensive or don't respond back to requests. PM me any info ASAP as I will be in Kiev all next month.

Cornoir

Kiev Freak
06-28-14, 16:38
You can go Friday's restaoruant ! Great! At bessbersky opposite of arena city. Their food also great. my favoritte place . also hot waitress but i failure to pick up them although several attempts

Kiev Freak
06-28-14, 16:47
My hottie asked me to buy her iphone 5's! What a damned shit! I said "only can give 350 bucks, but this will be regular payment, not money for only one night sex, because I have business in Kiev and can meet every 2 weeks. I could sponsor you regularly".

Of course it was lie but to make her price to down, I said this . And she answered ok! I think it is very hot deal, 550 $ for tickets (it is refundable tickets therefore it is expensive. Because it is our first date, I bought fully refundable flexible tickets), 350 $ for pussy . 900 $ as total for fully 48 hours with 24 yo hottie! And in my home, not abroad mongership!

Misc123
06-28-14, 20:05
Try Yuri. He speaks excellent English, is very friendly, and has a nice, comfortable, clean car.

He also offers services as a tour guide.

Some of my friends used him and found him to be good and reliable.

Yuri Vasyuk.

+38050-229-3800.

+38097-436-8906.

Ciao.

Misc.


Can anyone recommend a guide in Kiev for interpreting as well as running errands and research? I have tried to set up a few online, but most are too expensive or don't respond back to requests. PM me any info ASAP as I will be in Kiev all next month.

Cornoir

How14
06-28-14, 21:03
My hottie asked me to buy her iphone 5's! What a damned shit! I said "only can give 350 bucks, but this will be regular payment, not money for only one night sex, because I have business in Kiev and can meet every 2 weeks. I could sponsor you regularly".

Of course it was lie but to make her price to down, I said this . And she answered ok! I think it is very hot deal, 550 $ for tickets (it is refundable tickets therefore it is expensive. Because it is our first date, I bought fully refundable flexible tickets), 350 $ for pussy . 900 $ as total for fully 48 hours with 24 yo hottie! And in my home, not abroad mongership!Your paying $900 for a 48 hour session? Sorry but in this climate in Kiev with the rate being the lowest you will ever see that's far far too much money to be giving a 24 yr old.

Epicurus
06-28-14, 21:36
I am beginning to like the massage salons a lot. The photos are accurate. The service is excellent, and you get to come as much as you can in that the agreed time period. And the girls do all the work.) sometimes that is all you want and need. And sometimes that is better than actual sex, at least to me. I have tried several salons now and the service of the girls and salons have been of a good standard. Not noticed big difference in standard in service photo, promise and pricewise. Also the quality of the girls varies. Not one salon that sticks out. Usually I visit them first to see the girls and later on I call them to my apartment. Sometimes the girls offer me their private phone to do business on the side.

Sorbonne
06-29-14, 06:47
My hottie asked me to buy her iphone 5's! What a damned shit! I said "only can give 350 bucks, but this will be regular payment, not money for only one night sex, because I have business in Kiev and can meet every 2 weeks. I could sponsor you regularly".

Of course it was lie but to make her price to down, I said this . And she answered ok! I think it is very hot deal, 550 $ for tickets (it is refundable tickets therefore it is expensive. Because it is our first date, I bought fully refundable flexible tickets), 350 $ for pussy . 900 $ as total for fully 48 hours with 24 yo hottie! And in my home, not abroad mongership!Good luck, but be careful with this girl.

Once I flew a Mamba girl from Mariopol to Kiev, and she was pretty and had an OK attitude, but as soon as she went back home, she called me and asked me to buy her a pair of shoes, as if I were an ATM! With that one call, I dumped her.

Regarding your damage, she is only receiving $175 per day, if she ever really shows up in Istanbul (?), and I don't think that's a bad deal. And, yes, you get to have fun in your own city.

Let us know how it went.

Rob Hay
06-29-14, 07:31
I know exactly what girl you're talking about. I ran into her on Kreshchatyk on Tuesday with another girl. Both super cute. There are even a few young ladies holding those stupid white birds on Kreshchatyk and two of them are very doable. I actually gave one of them my number back in April and I started getting strange phone calls from a guy who only spoke Ukrainian.Your inbox is full and not accepting messages at this time.

To all the nightclubs enthusiast I was a frequenter of River Palace back in the day not that its closed I read this article on Wikisex and wanted to see how current and accurate its is now in 2014:

The-Lux, SkyBar, Dante Park, Arena, Avalon, Shooters, Byblos, Serebro, Velour, Buddha Bar, Mokko, Richelieu, Ok Bar and Safe are the recommended places to pick up.

"There can be regular girls hanging out in these restaurants and clubs, but if you met lady at the-Lux, don't kid yourself – that's a *****house with 80% working girls swarming its three floors. SkyBar is the same, but just on one floor, while Dante Park has a slightly lower working girl level, but still there are 2 chances out of 3 that she was there to work. Arena and Avalon have a lower class of prostitutes, but an even higher percentage of hookers than the-Lux.

Shooters is a special case: students and younger girls go there to dabble in their first sex-for-money experiences and also girls to ugly to pass the face control at the top clubs. Byblos, Serebro and Velour are the places where rich Ukrainians pick up their sex-snacks and so the chances that she speaks any English are low, but she is likely to charge you premium prices for being so daft to have picked her up there. For a long time Buddha Bar used to be the prostitution center of Kyiv, but lately management has been clamping down strongly on the amount of prostitutes allowed to enter.

Mokko, Richelieu, Ok Bar and Safe are favorite hangouts for some of the most expensive girls one can find in Kyiv;.

Kiev Freak
06-29-14, 08:35
Your paying $900 for a 48 hour session? Sorry but in this climate in Kiev with the rate being the lowest you will ever see that's far far too much money to be giving a 24 yr old.No this is not. Strip club prices,500 $ for night or 300 $ / 3 or 2 hours.

Hand job massages for 2 hours = 100 $.

Mamba girls approx. 100 $ = 1-2 hours.

When you compared all together, 900 $ for 2 days is hot deal for me.

Of course if you live in ukraine, you even don't need to pay for sex. Or if you live there for 30 days, for eg, you can find all very cheaper.

I talk about for weeekend travelers. ıt is not easy to find freebees or cheaper girls in only 2-3 days.

Kiev Freak
06-29-14, 08:42
Good luck, but be careful with this girl.

Once I flew a Mamba girl from Mariopol to Kiev, and she was pretty and had an OK attitude, but as soon as she went back home, she called me and asked me to buy her a pair of shoes, as if I were an ATM! With that one call, I dumped her.

Regarding your damage, she is only receiving $175 per day, if she ever really shows up in Istanbul (?), and I don't think that's a bad deal. And, yes, you get to have fun in your own city.

Let us know how it went.In the past I invited maybe more than 20 girls and never seen " no show up" . Girls really came, at least for me. But after I invite girls istanbul, I understood this is not good idea. Becasue sometiems girls don't provide GFE, sometimes they alwways sad, but I foound my 3 yo long term GF from mamba to by inviting to my home. Anyway, after that, I decided to visit Kiev and meet girls in their city and invite to my home the ones I really like.

So this girl, I reallly like and I hope will provide GFE and hot sex. Mongership is not easy way, always there are risk. This is one of them).

How14
06-29-14, 12:30
Any good sport bar in the center to watch the matches tonight?

ThanksBest place to watch football / tennis, has got to be arena sports bar on first floor, if not you could try the irish bar.

Guntherus
06-29-14, 13:17
...always there are risk.Most of us will agree to this, not that there is a risk in the sense of danger, but in the sense that there is little guarantee for good results. Finding the perfect girl needs a lot of work and a stroke of luck too, finding the next perfect girl even more luck! There have been many good reports recently on the thread, with good insights, but nobody should err to think that the girls have some common code of ethics when dealing with men. I had e. G. This wonderful girl visiting me several times, whispering soft word to my ear during lovemaking, happy to have any kind of peanut gift I brought her, happy to travel from Sevastopol when I return to Kiev. I finally invited her to stay three nights, and suddenly she turns into a drama-queen, crying half day, speaking on the phone the other half (leaving only nights for sex! Made me very frustrated!) So, this is so true, there are always some risks, you can never know the full answer. My experience. For obvious reasons, I would never think of taking this girl on vacation, but my next girl might be OK for that.

AColonizer
06-29-14, 13:42
Your email box is full.


Heading back to the Motherland this week after a nothing short of an adventurous and tumultuous year in Kyiv. Will be returning in 2015 but uncertain where in Ukraine I will end up; maybe Kharkov, maybe Dnepropetrovsk, maybe who knows.

Regardless, if anyone is considering heading to Kyiv for whatever reason and require some advice, feel free to contact me concerning apartment locations, cafes, pubs with Guinness, places with English speaking waitress and free wi-fi or even some terrific restaurants that are not in the center but definitely worth visiting. Also, general questions about Kyiv such as how to use the metro system. While I am by no means the only person on this site who knows something about Kyiv, I am more than happy to help those in need. I may not have all the answers but I will do my best.

What I will not do, to nip this in the bud immediately, is give out contact names and numbers of girls. Don't even bother asking. Most of the girls I know, anyway, are off the grid, so to speak, and are not interested in meeting guys in Kyiv for a weekend vacation. I also know nothing about clubs or strip clubs. No interest in them.

Take care and enjoy Kyiv!

AColonizer
06-29-14, 13:43
Hello,

What is her name?


Hello!

Heading back to Kiev and surrounding next week. Maybe it is a long shot but does anyone here by any chance want to share details to some busty girls? Preferably reliable. I do not have time to fuck around with canceled appointments.

The attached one was a student (friend of The Knight's GF at the time) that unfortunately got engaged, but oh what a nice surprise when she unleashed those heavy tits. I knew she was curvy, but these knockers took me off guard totally when she unbuttoned her shirt. Had to stop banging her several times to just see them, suck them and squeeze them. We did not shower first so she was a little bit sweaty under her tits, and that aroused med even more. Her pussy tasted and smelled sweet and fresh, but still not totally without character, since she just came from her lecture. She was wet already when I took of her panties and it was a true afternoon treat to lick her and taste her, while massaging those jugs. I fucked her bareback and planned to creampie her tight and wet pussy, but could just not stop myself from shooting over her wonder tits instead...

Kiev Freak
06-29-14, 14:04
Most of us will agree to this, not that there is a risk in the sense of danger, but in the sense that there is little guarantee for good results. Finding the perfect girl needs a lot of work and a stroke of luck too, finding the next perfect girl even more luck! There have been many good reports recently on the thread, with good insights, but nobody should err to think that the girls have some common code of ethics when dealing with men. I had e. G. This wonderful girl visiting me several times, whispering soft word to my ear during lovemaking, happy to have any kind of peanut gift I brought her, happy to travel from Sevastopol when I return to Kiev. I finally invited her to stay three nights, and suddenly she turns into a drama-queen, crying half day, speaking on the phone the other half (leaving only nights for sex! Made me very frustrated!) So, this is so true, there are always some risks, you can never know the full answer. My experience. For obvious reasons, I would never think of taking this girl on vacation, but my next girl might be OK for that.

I read from someone in forum, slavic girls are beautiful in their native countries. Your experiences also happened to me several times. But I also had good tryouts, too.

I found my angel before 2-3 years by inviting to my home. first, for me, she was one of them i invited. But she was an angel. I saw her passport. She first time was in abroad. All was superb. We lved 3 years together. And i saw step by step an angel turns into a devil. And she was completely different girl after 2 years. Slavic girls (also thai girls) are good joys but only for good time. Maybe several good examples there are, but as general rules, these girls easily adapt themselves in western conditions

Tuggen
06-29-14, 18:15
Anyone has used and can recommend any gym in Kiev?

Since I will be there for more than 2 weeks soon it's a bit long time not to go to gym.

DoctorOral
06-30-14, 13:11
Really? A gymn? Where you can find flexible girls to keep you fit? If really, you mean it, goto the beach on the Island, there is a Russian outdoor gymn for free, and girls. Or to jog in any Park, where there is Sports, and girls, too.

How14
06-30-14, 13:38
Anyone has used and can recommend any gym in Kiev?

Since I will be there for more than 2 weeks soon it's a bit long time not to go to gym.Hylton hotel has a good gym, but its very expensive, best gym to go to, and its free has to be the outdoor gym complex at hydropark, all the weightlifting equipment there is homemade, for example, car engines, huge pieces of metal and chains etc, all very safe and easy to use, everybody there just gets on with it and gets on with there workout, its a different experience, and of course you have plenty of girls to look at while your at it. Just take the metro a couple of stops to Hydropark. Red line couple of stops from maidan.

YellowPaul
06-30-14, 19:29
Your inbox is full and not accepting messages at this time.

To all the nightclubs enthusiast I was a frequenter of River Palace back in the day not that its closed I read this article on Wikisex and wanted to see how current and accurate its is now in 2014:

The-Lux, SkyBar, Dante Park, Arena, Avalon, Shooters, Byblos, Serebro, Velour, Buddha Bar, Mokko, Richelieu, Ok Bar and Safe are the recommended places to pick up.

"There can be regular girls hanging out in these restaurants and clubs, but if you met lady at the-Lux, don't kid yourself that's a *****house with 80% working girls swarming its three floors. SkyBar is the same, but just on one floor, while Dante Park has a slightly lower working girl level, but still there are 2 chances out of 3 that she was there to work. Arena and Avalon have a lower class of prostitutes, but an even higher percentage of hookers than the-Lux.

Shooters is a special case: students and younger girls go there to dabble in their first sex-for-money experiences and also girls to ugly to pass the face control at the top clubs. Byblos, Serebro and Velour are the places where rich Ukrainians pick up their sex-snacks and so the chances that she speaks any English are low, but she is likely to charge you premium prices for being so daft to have picked her up there. For a long time Buddha Bar used to be the prostitution center of Kyiv, but lately management has been clamping down strongly on the amount of prostitutes allowed to enter.

Mokko, Richelieu, Ok Bar and Safe are favorite hangouts for some of the most expensive girls one can find in Kyiv;.Did you write? The whole thing is a small portion from a excellent article posted here a while back.

Tuggen
06-30-14, 23:36
You bring all the money you need for a longer stay? I have only stayed for a couple of nights before but for more than 2 weeks. I would need to bring with me quite a lot. Especially if I get an apartment which needs to be payed in cash. It would have been good if I in some way could have sent money to myself to take out when needed. Not really trust the ATM: s to get what I may need. But perhaps that is ok!?

Any cheap apartments to recommend. I really need to book something within a day or two. I have previous, for short stays, used both hotels and apartments but for apartments sometimes closing up to 100 USD which is just way to much for so many days. 50 USD would have been better but guess that will not happen.

Have actually seen that hotels that more or less kept prices in Grivna, like for example Rus, now are quite cheap compare to what I payed before for apartment but I think apartment would be better stay.

Again if someone would like to meetup some time during second half of July I would be happy to see you. However, don't know if it's easy to arrange through this site.

Member #4491
07-01-14, 00:29
Still a bit of spunk dripped onto her thigh there Barba.Yups, she got a little bit in her pussy but most on her tits.

I am just back from UA. Great trip, with loads of fun and great sex with my girlfriend (s).

Tested another busty teen in Kiev this trip as well. Not a stunning experience but better than wanking and will be glad share her details with tit loving mongers that shared girls with me in the past. Her name is Wika and she is not an unknown teen talent. Room mate with Oxana, for all of you who have been in that pond. She speaks more or less no English.

B

Member #4491
07-01-14, 00:29
Hello,

What is her name?Starts with V and ends with A.

SamLondon
07-01-14, 01:41
Did you write? The whole thing is a small portion from a excellent article posted here a while back.I just searched and found the original post.

I have mixed feelings about this: What kind of an a-hole would copy a post from 2 years ago and make it sound like its his own genuine contribution? Saddo of the worst possible kind.

The only saving grace is that reading the original posting was very informative and gave a real historical perspective on how the scene in Kiev used to be in the good old days. So it was interesting academically.

But I am not on ISG because I am a frigging historian and neither are most bloggers so please keep the old crap for yourself as none of us want your regurgitated fertiliser (we have enough of our own).

What we need and share are rays of light shun on the current scene.

I hope the administrator sees fit to block that hideous fertiliser manufacturer.

Epicurus
07-01-14, 20:03
Take the bus. Runs every 15-20 minutes, almost as fast as a taxi (city is a trafic jam anyway), drops you at Kharkivska metro (right when trafic gets dense), and still costs only like UAH 50.BTW, if you call a taxi, it's still the old prices 30 grvn for a ride in the center and 150 grvn for borispol. I use optima taxi.

Epicurus
07-01-14, 20:06
You bring all the money you need for a longer stay? I have only stayed for a couple of nights before but for more than 2 weeks. I would need to bring with me quite a lot. Especially if I get an apartment which needs to be payed in cash. It would have been good if I in some way could have sent money to myself to take out when needed. Not really trust the ATM: s to get what I may need. But perhaps that is ok!?

Any cheap apartments to recommend. I really need to book something within a day or two. I have previous, for short stays, used both hotels and apartments but for apartments sometimes closing up to 100 USD which is just way to much for so many days. 50 USD would have been better but guess that will not happen.

Have actually seen that hotels that more or less kept prices in Grivna, like for example Rus, now are quite cheap compare to what I payed before for apartment but I think apartment would be better stay.

Again if someone would like to meetup some time during second half of July I would be happy to see you. However, don't know if it's easy to arrange through this site.Rates of moneychangers in kievbis better than atm and crefitcard. Plus no charge for foreign withdrawals. Still it would only. Save you a couple of euros. And prolly doesn't outweigh the safety issues of large amounts of cash.

How14
07-02-14, 00:29
You bring all the money you need for a longer stay? I have only stayed for a couple of nights before but for more than 2 weeks. I would need to bring with me quite a lot. Especially if I get an apartment which needs to be payed in cash. It would have been good if I in some way could have sent money to myself to take out when needed. Not really trust the ATM: s to get what I may need. But perhaps that is ok!?

Any cheap apartments to recommend. I really need to book something within a day or two. I have previous, for short stays, used both hotels and apartments but for apartments sometimes closing up to 100 USD which is just way to much for so many days. 50 USD would have been better but guess that will not happen.

Have actually seen that hotels that more or less kept prices in Grivna, like for example Rus, now are quite cheap compare to what I payed before for apartment but I think apartment would be better stay.

Again if someone would like to meetup some time during second half of July I would be happy to see you. However, don't know if it's easy to arrange through this site.https://www.airbnb.co.uk/s/kiev?checkin=10-07-2014&checkout=18-07-2014&source=bb

Have a look at this site, its perfect actually for all over europe, its for normal people who want to rent out there apartments, they have comments about the apartments, photos, and everything, its really excellent, I've used air be and be for 2 years now, there is also an app available which is good also. Hope this helps, there are hundreds and hundreds of quality apartments avail now in Kiev with tourism well down. You can get a very nice apartment here in the embassy region for $50 a night no problem.

Enjoy

How14
07-02-14, 00:46
Yups, she got a little bit in her pussy but most on her tits.

I am just back from UA. Great trip, with loads of fun and great sex with my girlfriend (s).

Tested another busty teen in Kiev this trip as well. Not a stunning experience but better than wanking and will be glad share her details with tit loving mongers that shared girls with me in the past. Her name is Wika and she is not an unknown teen talent. Room mate with Oxana, for all of you who have been in that pond. She speaks more or less no English.

BI've had the pleasure with both them girls last year before the conflict, me and my mate done them for $80 each with a switchover after an hour, very energetic but a bit nutty, glad to get rid of them in the end. Seen them both 4 weeks ago and done them both for $80 again. I didn't know they were known here though?

YellowPaul
07-02-14, 14:53
I just searched and found the original post.

I have mixed feelings about this: What kind of an a-hole would copy a post from 2 years ago and make it sound like its his own genuine contribution? Saddo of the worst possible kind.

The only saving grace is that reading the original posting was very informative and gave a real historical perspective on how the scene in Kiev used to be in the good old days. So it was interesting academically.

But I am not on ISG because I am a frigging historian and neither are most bloggers so please keep the old crap for yourself as none of us want your regurgitated fertiliser (we have enough of our own).

What we need and share are rays of light shun on the current scene.

I hope the administrator sees fit to block that hideous fertiliser manufacturer.He needs to be banned and I would question this other posts too. Pretty sad he a guy needs to try to pass off somebody else's information as his own.

Moski
07-02-14, 15:33
Can some one share photos and contact details?

Thanks.


I've had the pleasure with both them girls last year before the conflict, me and my mate done them for $80 each with a switchover after an hour, very energetic but a bit nutty, glad to get rid of them in the end. Seen them both 4 weeks ago and done them both for $80 again. I didn't know they were known here though?

Rob Hay
07-02-14, 16:59
You guys need to read the first paragraph where I am asking if this article I found on the Wikisex site is still current as the information might have been a bid dated. I posted the article to refresh people's memory of the contents of the article with, " At no point did I try to pass the information off as my own. Try re-reading the first paragraph of my original post.


I just searched and found the original post.

I have mixed feelings about this: What kind of an a-hole would copy a post from 2 years ago and make it sound like its his own genuine contribution? Saddo of the worst possible kind.

The only saving grace is that reading the original posting was very informative and gave a real historical perspective on how the scene in Kiev used to be in the good old days. So it was interesting academically.

But I am not on ISG because I am a frigging historian and neither are most bloggers so please keep the old crap for yourself as none of us want your regurgitated fertiliser (we have enough of our own).

What we need and share are rays of light shun on the current scene.

I hope the administrator sees fit to block that hideous fertiliser manufacturer.

Sorbonne
07-03-14, 06:36
You guys need to read the first paragraph where I am asking if this article I found on the Wikisex site is still current as the information might have been a bid dated. I posted the article to refresh people's memory of the contents of the article with, " At no point did I try to pass the information off as my own. Try re-reading the first paragraph of my original post.Do you know what caused this confusion? Mr. Hay's bad writing.

Here is the first paragraph, or rather just the second "sentence" in the post, he is referring to:

"To all the nightclubs enthusiast I was a frequenter of River Palace back in the day not that its closed I read this article on Wikisex and wanted to see how current and accurate its is now in 2014:

Upon just one reading of the "sentence," who knows what he is talking about? Nobody re-reads anything, so we should try to avoid misspelling and wrong punctuation when we write, if we want to avoid being dismembered, so to speak.

How14
07-03-14, 14:04
Can some one share photos and contact details?

Thanks.They are both on mamba, PM me I will give you numbers.

Cornoir
07-06-14, 20:17
Anyone has used and can recommend any gym in Kiev?

Since I will be there for more than 2 weeks soon it's a bit long time not to go to gym.I am here in Kiev for the month of July and am residing in the Podil area, I am using the Timur Gym, simple weight rooms and cardio as well as area for sport classes, sauna and massage. They offer monthly, 3 month, 6 month and yearly cost based upon access hours.

I have the Gold membership for 1 month which is 595 Ukrainian and the hours I can use the gym are from 7:00 - 17:00. Silver is 450 Ukrainian and the hours of use is 12:00 - 15:00. Platinum cost 695 and the hours are 7:00 - 22:00. Be aware that the hours of the gym are: Monday-Friday 7:00 - 22:00 and Saturday. Sunday 8:00 - 21:00. For the Gold membership I also get a trainer to help show me the initial working of the machines just so I do not hurt myself, but they also offer a personal trainer based upon hourly charge. They have at least 1 English speaking trainer that I know off.

4th floor walkup, watch out for the raised floors in the gym or you might stub your toe badly. Here is the website link:

http://timur-gym.com.ua/en/home.html

Gave not been to Hydropark, but with the weather in July averaging low 80 F temperatures and the Crimea beach areas being off limits I would assume more people flooding at Hydropark and the surrounding area just to relax, do expect the free weight area in Hydropark to be used more heavily as well as more eye candy in swimwear in that area.

Ironically my landlord has a brother who operates a dance studio not too far from Timur gym, he took me to the studio, which was hot since it is just below street level, they also have classes for girls, I saw a couple just quickly, pretty.

Cornoir

Straun
07-06-14, 22:25
Problem: I don't dance, never have, probably never really want to. When I go to Kiev I'm generally by myself most of th etime. I considered going to buda bar and other such clubs because I heard some nice quality escorts there. How bad is it going to be if I go to these places (instead of strip clubs) when I can't / won't dance? I'm 30's, dress well, look pretty good just. Dancing isn't my thing. Will I be a complete moron sitting by myself with a drink at a bar or table?

Cornoir
07-07-14, 01:34
Problem: I don't dance, never have, probably never really want to. When I go to Kiev I'm generally by myself most of th etime. I considered going to buda bar and other such clubs because I heard some nice quality escorts there. How bad is it going to be if I go to these places (instead of strip clubs) when I can't / won't dance? I'm 30's, dress well, look pretty good just. Dancing isn't my thing. Will I be a complete moron sitting by myself with a drink at a bar or table?Straun,

I am in Kiev for the month of July and like you not really a dancer, so I know what you are talking about, I have yet to head out to the dance clubs but will be testing the waters as a single gent this week maybe. If you are in Kiev and want to have a wingman in the same situation as you PM me and we can set up a night to try our luck.

Based upon what little info I have Shooters, Rhino Strip club and maybe Disco Radio Hall are your best bets for non dancers.

Cornoir

Sorbonne
07-07-14, 06:33
I am here in Kiev for the month of July and am residing in the Podil area, I am using the Timur Gym, simple weight rooms and cardio as well as area for sport classes, sauna and massage. They offer monthly, 3 month, 6 month and yearly cost based upon access hours.

I have the Gold membership for 1 month which is 595 Ukrainian and the hours I can use the gym are from 7:00 - 17:00. Silver is 450 Ukrainian and the hours of use is 12:00 - 15:00. Platinum cost 695 and the hours are 7:00 - 22:00. Be aware that the hours of the gym are: Monday-Friday 7:00 - 22:00 and Saturday. Sunday 8:00 - 21:00. For the Gold membership I also get a trainer to help show me the initial working of the machines just so I do not hurt myself, but they also offer a personal trainer based upon hourly charge. They have at least 1 English speaking trainer that I know off.

4th floor walkup, watch out for the raised floors in the gym or you might stub your toe badly. Here is the website link:

http://timur-gym.com.ua/en/home.html

Gave not been to Hydropark, but with the weather in July averaging low 80 F temperatures and the Crimea beach areas being off limits I would assume more people flooding at Hydropark and the surrounding area just to relax, do expect the free weight area in Hydropark to be used more heavily as well as more eye candy in swimwear in that area.

Ironically my landlord has a brother who operates a dance studio not too far from Timur gym, he took me to the studio, which was hot since it is just below street level, they also have classes for girls, I saw a couple just quickly, pretty.

CornoirThanks for the useful info.

But 700 UAH per month for 7 - 22? That's $60. My premium gym in California charges $30 per month for 5 - 24.

BTW, can gym be a good place to hunt?

Cornoir
07-07-14, 10:44
Thanks for the useful info.

But 700 UAH per month for 7 - 22? That's $60. My premium gym in California charges $30 per month for 5 - 24.

BTW, can gym be a good place to hunt?Most of the gyms in Kiev have yearly memberships, but they are equatable to NYC / California Bally's / NYSC type gyms so expect upper class (I. E. , more expensive) cost, especially al carte options like sauna, spa, massages, etc. But of course their would be more coed options, Timur is more if you just want to focus on weights or cardio in peace, plus for me it is about a 10 minute walk from where I am staying.

Here are some links with listings of fitness clubs in Kiev, just be sure to check they are still open and offering what you want. Some apparently offer deals, I would assume especially in July and August, but those might be for long term commitments. I paid for a variety of research for gyms, LASIK and dental before I visited Kiev just to save me time, but it was focused on Podil area for the gym requirements for myself.

http://www.inyourpocket.com/ukraine/kyiv/kyiv-leisure/Fitness-clubs

http://www.go2kiev.com/view/fitness.html

http://www.kyivpost.com/guide/about-kyiv/a-guide-to-kyiv-gyms-112924.html

http://www.kiev.info/recreation/sports_centers.htm

Saunas in Kiev.

http://kievsauna.com

As for hunting at a gym, the higher priced clubs will probably offer coed classes, but just like the higher priced pickup joints you will find prices rise to adjust for image (I. E. , if you are working out in a fancy place you will be seen as having $ to burn), plus for the best results you might want to take a strip class, but that might be strange. If you go to a gym on the Left Bank (east side of river) you might find better deals and regular local girls, but then again they might be more interested in their workout than flirting.

Cornoir

Cornoir
07-07-14, 10:47
I just saw this while searching the Internet, might be interesting for those in Kiev in November.

http://lovefantasy.com.ua/en/home/general-info.html

"The development of the culture of any nation is impossible without the development of the sexual culture of the society. International specialized exhibition Love Fantasy has set itself a goal to introduce visitors to the world history of sexual culture, medical advances aimed at bringing the intimate relationship between a man and a woman into harmony, modern fashion trends in erotic lingerie, novelties in adult industry, the development of various methods of physical perfection of a man, as well as promote the advancement of scientific, social and cultural projects aimed at the development of sex education of the society and promotion of a healthy lifestyle. "

Cornoir

Straun
07-07-14, 22:03
As the title indicates. How foolish would a western guy be alone at a club or bar if he doesn't want to dance? Do the high end ladies come up to you anyway?

Ivanvlad
07-08-14, 06:53
As the title indicates. How foolish would a western guy be alone at a club or bar if he doesn't want to dance? Do the high end ladies come up to you anyway?It depends of your age. It is unusual to see a 20 year old boy standing alone in a disco without dancing. If you are 40 it's ok, but it's unusual to see a 40 years old guy having this kind of doubt.

Tomux 22
07-10-14, 19:12
As the title indicates. How foolish would a western guy be alone at a club or bar if he doesn't want to dance? Do the high end ladies come up to you anyway?Why is that a problem? I almost never dance. Last time I found two freebees at the bar. We had a great lough of the 50 yo turks trying to impress girls with "amzing" danceing moves. After few hours of drinking I took one of them home.

Tuggen
07-11-14, 01:02
I'm in Kiev untill end of month is someone may be interested in meetup.

Nallen
07-11-14, 21:38
Alright. I am new here and pretty new with this thing of paying for sex. I have tried FKK Oasis in Frankfurt but that's it. But I have read your posts in the forum here and will give it a shot now when I have arrived in Kiev. I will try some of the clubs, massage pearlors and stripclubs and see what happens. I will give my reports when I get back home.

And Tuggen. I would love to meet up with you if you want to hang around with a newbie? Maybe you can guide me around in Kiev.

Nallen

BookNote
07-13-14, 09:55
I found luxmassage and they said me sex ok no problem, "si intim" . I will check Kiev for these saloons and sseveral mamba girls I work on them. Anyone can recommend more salons that offer sex too ? Also this time i want to stay in hotel for securtiy issues in kiev. Which hotel can you recommend me guest friendly? If i make my reservation for 2 adults via booking com, they will charge joiner fee ? i nev er used hotels in kiev, always stayed aparrtments so im unfamiliar about hotels in kiev. please recommend me some hotels guestfriendly.Why you think hotels are safer than apartments? I stayed in a flat last month and it was very safe. I used booking.com and found a cheap flat.

Ganesha
07-13-14, 19:33
Why you think hotels are safer than apartments?1) In your appartment house. Was there a 'Concierge Service'?

2) Did the lady present and lay down her Idenitification Card to the Concierge?

3) Did the Concierge call you before handing out her Identification Card when she asked for it before leaving?

4) How did you control, that it was the same lady on the door you had been contacting before?

5) How did you control, that the lady came alone and nobody else was hiding?

6) In case she is spraying something into your eyes. You might be able to call the reception before she is leaving. But what are you doing alone in your appartment?

7) Why are you so naive?

BookNote
07-14-14, 03:19
1) In your appartment house. Was there a 'Concierge Service'?

2) Did the lady present and lay down her Idenitification Card to the Concierge?

3) Did the Concierge call you before handing out her Identification Card when she asked for it before leaving?

4) How did you control, that it was the same lady on the door you had been contacting before?

5) How did you control, that the lady came alone and nobody else was hiding?

6) In case she is spraying something into your eyes. You might be able to call the reception before she is leaving. But what are you doing alone in your appartment?

7) Why are you so naive?Ganesha,

You definitely have a point. I fully agree with you. If you call an escort girl, there's a risk, no doubt about it. That being said, if you invite only friends over, or you take home a girl you pick up in a bar, the risk is reduced. You can find a flat for as as low as $30 a day if you check "booking". I don't think there's any hotel room in Kiev with that price. In any case we should always be on the cautious side and use common sense.

TexasMorrell
07-14-14, 06:40
1) In your appartment house. Was there a 'Concierge Service'?

2) Did the lady present and lay down her Idenitification Card to the Concierge?

3) Did the Concierge call you before handing out her Identification Card when she asked for it before leaving?

4) How did you control, that it was the same lady on the door you had been contacting before?

5) How did you control, that the lady came alone and nobody else was hiding?

6) In case she is spraying something into your eyes. You might be able to call the reception before she is leaving. But what are you doing alone in your appartment?

7) Why are you so naive?Dude this is hilarious. Let me ask you a question. Why are you such a nervous nelly? You are supposed to go there to relax but I don't think you will be able to relax. In all the years I have been visiting Ukraine and staying in private apartments I have never had an issue of any kind and I think most of the guys on here will tell you the same thing. Everything you mentioned is unnecessary. Just use common sense and you will be fine. You don't need to pay three times as much for hotel services that you simply do not need. In fact, many hotels will not let your girl in the front door. Many that do will require a bribe to be paid to hotel security. I found this out years ago and stopped staying in hotels. Just relax and use common sense and you will be fine.

Sorbonne
07-14-14, 08:03
1) In your appartment house. Was there a 'Concierge Service'?

2) Did the lady present and lay down her Idenitification Card to the Concierge?

3) Did the Concierge call you before handing out her Identification Card when she asked for it before leaving?

4) How did you control, that it was the same lady on the door you had been contacting before?

5) How did you control, that the lady came alone and nobody else was hiding?

6) In case she is spraying something into your eyes. You might be able to call the reception before she is leaving. But what are you doing alone in your appartment?

7) Why are you so naive?The concierge service is good to know, though.

So how do you make sure that she was the same lady on the door you had been contacting before with the concierge service?

I have not heard of an occasion in which she sprayed something into your eyes in Kiev. But I guess that could happen. I carry a pepper spray when I travel. I'd better be ready.

Roberto Cavalli
07-14-14, 23:22
Hello friends,

I hope everybody is having fun.

I am planing to have a trip of one week starting from 25th of July.

Although great exchange rates and probably less competitors in clubs and elsewhere these days seem very suitable to visit Kiev, after seeing those news I am a little indecisive about having this trip or not, I will come alone and I plan rent apartment very near to Arena.

(https://vk.com/away.php?to=http%3A%2F%2Fmaidantranslations.com%2F2014%2F07%2F07%2Fshootout-on-maidan-night-of-july-6-7-2014%2F).

Do you have any idea about this dear Experts? It is written that still guns are fired in Meidan.

Is Vodka bar open? I think it is not, so which place best for weekdays such as Monday and Tuesday? I plan to be active everyday.

I am in the beginning of 30's speak intermediate Russian and been to Kiev more than 10 times.

If somebody will be in Kiev during my interval we can have a beer or hunt together.

Kind regards

Hzlvr
07-15-14, 11:09
Hello friends,

I hope everybody is having fun.

I am planing to have a trip of one week starting from 25th of July.

Although great exchange rates and probably less competitors in clubs and elsewhere these days seem very suitable to visit Kiev, after seeing those news I am a little indecisive about having this trip or not, I will come alone and I plan rent apartment very near to Arena.

(https://vk.com/away.php?to=http%3A%2F%2Fmaidantranslations.com%2F2014%2F07%2F07%2Fshootout-on-maidan-night-of-july-6-7-2014%2F).

Do you have any idea about this dear Experts? It is written that still guns are fired in Meidan.

Is Vodka bar open? I think it is not, so which place best for weekdays such as Monday and Tuesday? I plan to be active everyday.

I am in the beginning of 30's speak intermediate Russian and been to Kiev more than 10 times.

If somebody will be in Kiev during my interval we can have a beer or hunt together.

Kind regardsIt is very safe, I have been actually walking around Maidan the past 2 nights, tents and barricades still there but no problem at all.

I haven't been to the clubs, my "girlfriend" has kept me busy but she is going to her family.

Member #4491
07-17-14, 01:16
Sorry, I was away for a couple of weeks. Oxana And W are well known on Mamba. PM me and I will send details. I agree they are quite flaky but can be fun.

A girl I met a few times needs money. She is flexible and reliable. A friendly girl that is very broke, and I promised to help her, so drop me a line if you are in Kiev or going the coming days and need some entertainment. She will do anal if your tool is not too big.

B

Nallen
07-19-14, 00:11
Barba,

Clear your inbox because its full.

Muddy7
07-19-14, 13:01
EuroMaidan turns into a shady place.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/euromaidan-turns-into-a-shady-place-356891.html

CastOnThis
07-20-14, 17:45
Anyone use this? http://www.relaxportal.mobi/eng/devushki/kiev/anketa-8811/.

Looks like the photos are a bunch of fakes.

Straun
07-21-14, 19:33
Do any sites in Kiev / escort sites have real photos other than Gia? Seems like any site that doesn't charge you 300+ hour have 0 chance of being real. Quite frustrating. Probably better luck just going to Budha Bar eh?

Uadreamgirls site seems too good to be true for the photos compared to the rates, so I assume they're all bait and switch. I guess enough suckers just accept the switches so they keep doing it?

What about mamba. Ru for any experts? You can search for Kiev girls whos "goals" for relationship are simply 'sex' and I assume those are the escorts right? If they respond or not at all seems like a crap shoot as well?

Straun
07-21-14, 22:31
Another ignorant American question new to the sponsor thing. I'm not against it at all, like the idea in fact. I like to travel and Kiev is wonderful. But where to meet the college type girls who are just semis so more likely to get a nice situation instead of just some manipulative types?

Is mamba where you guys are meeting under the looking for a sponsor search part? Then how the heck does that work? I mean. Do you just meet them, do you talk about things before hand? Do you treat them like an escort at first and ask how much to meet? I'm probably going to make too many stupid mistakes and a few tips here from 'the pros' could go a long way.

Any better way to find such girls? I'm a bit picky in the looks department and body, but I'm also not poor so it works well, but finding them is the hard part.

TexasMorrell
07-22-14, 05:35
Another ignorant American question new to the sponsor thing. I'm not against it at all, like the idea in fact. I like to travel and Kiev is wonderful. But where to meet the college type girls who are just semis so more likely to get a nice situation instead of just some manipulative types?

Is mamba where you guys are meeting under the looking for a sponsor search part? Then how the heck does that work? I mean. Do you just meet them, do you talk about things before hand? Do you treat them like an escort at first and ask how much to meet? I'm probably going to make too many stupid mistakes and a few tips here from 'the pros' could go a long way.

Any better way to find such girls? I'm a bit picky in the looks department and body, but I'm also not poor so it works well, but finding them is the hard part.There are thousands of girls on Mamba looking for a sponsor. Yes you just contact them and start talking. Be polite and normal and don't treat them like an escort. Just talk to them like you would any girl you are trying to get to know. But by all means be honest and tell her what you want. Ukraine women do not like to play games and they have no patience for weak men. They are not stupid. They know why you are on Mamba. Just tell them what kind of relationship you want and what you can offer. They will accept it or say no. If they say no don't waste anymore time and move on to the next one. You will find one very quickly I promise you. Mamba is a meat market. In fact find all of your women on Mamba and stay away from the night clubs. Those places are for sharks only. The women in the clubs are only interested in separating you from your money as quickly as possible. I have been going to Kiev for many years now and I never go to clubs and I always have more women lined up than I can meet during my trips. I met all of them on Mamba.

Misc123
07-22-14, 13:13
http://kievvlast.com.ua/news/v_kieve_ljudi_v_balaklavah_perevernuli_kiosk_s_vipechkoj_video.html

Rob Hay
07-29-14, 04:31
I spend a week and a half recently and stayed in an apartment on khreschatyk near Zara. I walked all hours and felt completely safe but during the same trip I met an American guy that was jumped on khreschatyk by two guys and had his phone stolen. So be aware of your surroundings.

I found that in all the clubs I went to Bacardi Terrace, the-lux, Skybar, Famous at least 1/4 of the women if not more seemed to be openly available. I also went to Shooters but the level of the talent was significantly lower. Bacardi Terrance had the hottest girls and good contacts to be met. I ended up meeting an owner of a modeling agency at BT who I worked out an arrangement with. I have used others in the past. Anyone I have met personally I'm willing to pass you the contact.

If your willing to approach girls on the street, they are very open minded and enjoy conversing with foreigners. I usually just hung out by the Mcdonalds near Tolstoy Sq and McDonalds on Khreschatyk. I found the people of Kiev in general to be very open minded as long as they find you to be serious with you intentions. Everything is negotiable in Ukraine. In general Kiev is highly recommended and I would not hesitate to come again.


Hello friends,

I hope everybody is having fun.

I am planing to have a trip of one week starting from 25th of July.

Although great exchange rates and probably less competitors in clubs and elsewhere these days seem very suitable to visit Kiev, after seeing those news I am a little indecisive about having this trip or not, I will come alone and I plan rent apartment very near to Arena.

(https://vk.com/away.php?to=http%3A%2F%2Fmaidantranslations.com%2F2014%2F07%2F07%2Fshootout-on-maidan-night-of-july-6-7-2014%2F).

Do you have any idea about this dear Experts? It is written that still guns are fired in Meidan.

Is Vodka bar open? I think it is not, so which place best for weekdays such as Monday and Tuesday? I plan to be active everyday.

I am in the beginning of 30's speak intermediate Russian and been to Kiev more than 10 times.

If somebody will be in Kiev during my interval we can have a beer or hunt together.

Kind regards

BrasilSoccer0
07-29-14, 06:53
Rob,

Enjoyed your encouraging info about Kiev. However, what do mean in the third paragraph when you say: "I found the people of Kiev in general to be very open minded as long as they find you to be serious with you intentions" ?


I spend a week and a half recently and stayed in an apartment on khreschatyk near Zara. I walked all hours and felt completely safe but during the same trip I met an American guy that was jumped on khreschatyk by two guys and had his phone stolen. So be aware of your surroundings.

I found that in all the clubs I went to Bacardi Terrace, the-lux, Skybar, Famous at least 1/4 of the women if not more seemed to be openly available. I also went to Shooters but the level of the talent was significantly lower. Bacardi Terrance had the hottest girls and good contacts to be met. I ended up meeting an owner of a modeling agency at BT who I worked out an arrangement with. I have used others in the past. Anyone I have met personally I'm willing to pass you the contact.

If your willing to approach girls on the street, they are very open minded and enjoy conversing with foreigners. I usually just hung out by the Mcdonalds near Tolstoy Sq and McDonalds on Khreschatyk. I found the people of Kiev in general to be very open minded as long as they find you to be serious with you intentions. Everything is negotiable in Ukraine. In general Kiev is highly recommended and I would not hesitate to come again.

Rob Hay
07-29-14, 17:51
I see that you took a class at EAFIT in Medellin. I did as well. So whereas the Paisas, Colombians, and South Americans in general are an indirect culture. These people are more direct speakers and I felt like I could speak directly with anyone about anything. They don't like beating around the Bush and was asked several times to just say what's on my mind. After a while I felt like I could proposition pretty much anybody I wanted anywhere. That type of direct speaking can get you in trouble in Colombia.


Rob,

Enjoyed your encouraging info about Kiev. However, what do mean in the third paragraph when you say: "I found the people of Kiev in general to be very open minded as long as they find you to be serious with you intentions" ?

BrasilSoccer0
07-30-14, 05:37
Got it. I can relate to the paisas analogy. And yes they "paisas" are more interested in sounding pretty and goody goody than direct and accurate. That's why now I get blunt with them. However this after being to Medellin several times and my own confidence in the language and culture of the people.

I like that it's this direct with Ukrainian women. But let's be clear on how direct are they.

In one of my trips I literally carried a hand made sign that said: "gringo en busca de paisitas" "gringo looking for Medellin girls". Some laughed and some frowned but I caught me a lovely morena who became a delight and strong repeat. And I posted this in the photo section.

Another time I'd walk around the center of town gently yelling to cute girls "30 Lucas. 30 lucas" "30 k cop. 30 k cop" and most would laugh and stop and chat because they see the parody of the whole gringos coming to their city for paisas and paisas secretly hoping to join the "trade" without tarnishing there rep. And they get the point of the direct comical approach.

Now I mentioned these two examples not to brag but to see if Ukrainians can take in this kind of direct approach or will they be offended or do they prefer being direct BUT discrete? I'm, strictly, talking about women you meet for the first time on the street who aren't p4 p.

For instance, would they be offended if I ask my usual qualifiers from the beginning:

- Are you working.

- Mmm is it a good job.

- What's your economical situation.

- How much does it cost to stay in school.

- Do you like my confidence.

Etc. Blabla. You see where I'm going with this. Paisas never have problem answering but 75% they start the BS after I showed them I can help and flake at the last minute. Is that a problem in Ukraine?

BTW, your comments and others in the Ukraine thread are so so damn tempting. I swear sometimes I just want to say fuck it and pack for Ukraine. But I get reminded of how I desperately need a nice beach destination urgently first.

Ukraine will have to simmer down for now.

Keep those good info commng men. Even though some of us aren't going yet, a lot of us take notes for when the time comes.


I see that you took a class at EAFIT in Medellin. I did as well. So whereas the Paisas, Colombians, and South Americans in general are an indirect culture. These people are more direct speakers and I felt like I could speak directly with anyone about anything. They don't like beating around the Bush and was asked several times to just say what's on my mind. After a while I felt like I could proposition pretty much anybody I wanted anywhere. That type of direct speaking can get you in trouble in Colombia.

KombatWombat
07-30-14, 07:22
Can someone please give a basic guide on the "dos and don't s" of using Mamba for someone whos never used the service.

Suka Shalava
07-30-14, 11:50
I'd walk around gently yelling to cute girls and they get the point of the direct comical approach.

Now I mentioned to see if Ukrainians can take in this kind of direct approach or will they be offended or do they prefer being direct BUT discrete? I'm, strictly, talking about women you meet for the first time on the street who aren't p4 p.

For instance, would they be offended if I ask my usual qualifiers from the beginning:

- Are you working.

- Mmm is it a good job.

- What's your economical situation.

- How much does it cost to stay in school.

- Do you like my confidence.

Etc. Blabla. You see where I'm going with this. Paisas never have problem answering but 75% they start the BS after I showed them I can help and flake at the last minute. Is that a problem in Ukraine?

BTW, your comments and others in the Ukraine thread are so so damn tempting. I swear sometimes I just want to say fuck it and pack for Ukraine. But I get reminded of how I desperately need a nice beach destination urgently first.

If you walk around gently yelling at cute girls, they will think there is something seriously wrong with you, as that is generally only something that drunks, perverts, and mentally ill people do. Or maybe they might think its some kind of dumb stunt or joke gag for an internet video. Girls are not walking around looking for this. Maybe one out of 20 will 'get' your humor?

However, if the first impression you make on strangers, is that you are very well dressed, in good shape, young and handsome, AND speak Russian, you can get away with trying almost anything, and your chances of random success are fair. If the first impression you make is NOT as I just described, your chances of scoring from a random encounter, that is, getting P4 P sex after chatting up a cute girl you meet just walking around, are very low. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try. You certainly should be able to get a phone number to meet up later with a girl, if you spend enough time trying to do that.

But university students, especially the cute ones, will be very reluctant to be "seen" out in public, talking with a monger. On the other hand, a divorced mom in her 30's, 40's or 50's, that needs money, might be interested in talking to you about your sponsorship offers.

Member #4274
07-30-14, 23:55
Can someone please give a basic guide on the "dos and don't s" of using Mamba for someone whos never used the service.You should read the past year's posts. I am sure this has been covered ad nauseam.

Osmotico77
07-31-14, 00:54
Rob hay, your mailbox is full. I tried to send you something.

Guys, as I am going to Kiev next week for 3 days (and then move to Odessa for additional days), can someone share with me a couple (not more) of good contacts in Kiev and Odessa? I am new to Kiev, but if I find something interesting there, I will surely share once I am back home.

I am a kind guy in the 30's with good manners, don't worry I will use your info very carefull .

I am much more into girls than into MILF.

Please, send me a private message.

Many thanks in advance.

Cheers

FiddyCent
07-31-14, 02:29
Can someone please give a basic guide on the "dos and don't s" of using Mamba for someone whos never used the service.Hello KombatWombat.

Mamba is a very tricky minefield to navigate through and it is very time consuming. The best is to start with girls with a "REAL" profile. You may see the green (R) beside the profile pictures. Look for girls that have a natural look, with photos looking normal and not too professional. That will generally get you a real person, and not a fake profile. The next thing I look for is a girl that replies frequently. There is a bar that shows, green for frequent replies, yellow for sometimes, and red for almost never. The number beside the bar indicates how often the girl has received "hits" on her page. When you visit her profile, she receives a notification. If she is interested, she will visit your profile. If she does, you will receive a message. I then would then leave a message on her page. After some on-line small talk, I might spend a few coins and send her a gift. Once you have established some connection, you can discuss a meeting. I have been working non-stop and making as many contacts as possible before my return visit. I made the mistake of looking up profiles only after arriving in Kiev. The girls do not respond right a way. You could be glued to your laptop for hours and waiting for a reply. I was lucky enough to get through to a few girls and had an amazing time with them.

For girls that do not advertise "sex", just don't ask them about it. Some girls have written "I am not a prostitute" on their profiles. Those girls might just be looking to date. If you only choose "sex" as your objective, you may be limiting yourself to a narrow selection of girls and many more fake profiles.

Lastly, do not ask the girls if Kiev is safe. It really hits a nerve. I made that mistake with some girls I had established a connection with. They do not want to talk about it. Girls just want to have fun. Put up some interesting photos of yourself and learn to converse in Russian and Ukrainian. I only know a few words myself, but it does seem help to break the ice. Remember Google Translate is your friend.

"Budmo" = Cheers! (in Ukrainian).

FiddyCent.

Mascarado
08-02-14, 00:25
I'll be in Kiev for a few months. Any suggestions on good schools to learn Russian or Ukrainian, with regards to price and effectiveness; and most important, mongering potential.

Any suggestions / tips appreciated.

Sorbonne
08-03-14, 08:25
I'll be in Kiev for a few months. Any suggestions on good schools to learn Russian or Ukrainian, with regards to price and effectiveness; and most important, mongering potential.

Any suggestions / tips appreciated.Are you trying to go after your Russian / Ukrainian teachers?

Let us know how that goes!

Sorbonne
08-03-14, 08:32
You have exceeded your stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until you clear some space.

Mascarado
08-05-14, 06:26
Are you trying to go after your Russian / Ukrainian teachers?

Let us know how that goes!Last minute change of plans. So I will not be studying there until next year, and of course, I will update everyone on my experience. Hopefully Kiev doesn't get nuked before then.

Anyway, I will be there for a short week instead as I will be visiting my new temporary girlfriend in Denmark (want to make Jesus / Buddha / Me laugh? Make a plan).

So since I have a short stay now. Any advice will be appreciated. It seems like most of the short stay posts from the past center around mamba and stripclubs for at least a BJ.

Any other advice is appreciated,

TIA

Reiner Otto
08-05-14, 12:50
Are you trying to go after your Russian / Ukrainian teachers?
That is not a bad idea. I had one (not in Kiev, but other city in UA), which was on the title page of anastasiaweb.

Have to admit, that photo on anastasiaweb was a few years old, but the original still in very good shape.

Took some time to score, though.

Misc123
08-06-14, 15:36
Any idea of the hot water availability in the flats or hotels in Kiev and rest of Ukraine? Winter may be rough as Russia has switched off gas.

Any opinions?

Ciao.

Misc.

FiddyCent
08-07-14, 08:47
Any idea of the hot water availability in the flats or hotels in Kiev and rest of Ukraine? Winter may be rough as Russia has switched off gas.

Any opinions?

Ciao.

Misc.All kidding aside Misc123, the situation could get a whole lot worse before it gets better. I am hearing that Russia is sending more troops to the border for military exercises. That could potentially mean an invasion, but who really knows. Food and other basic essentials could be scarce in the upcoming months. Just keep watching the news.

FiddyCent.

ChessB
08-08-14, 19:15
Hello folks,

Has anybody met this mamba lady who goes by the name of Alisiya?

She has multiple aliases and accounts on mamba.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1278287332?

Gergiev
08-09-14, 04:55
That is not a bad idea. I had one (not in Kiev, but other city in UA), which was on the title page of anastasiaweb.

Have to admit, that photo on anastasiaweb was a few years old, but the original still in very good shape.

Took some time to score, though.Good man, Otto - nice piece of opportunism!

Are you still in Mykolayiv, or visiting there from time-to-time?

AZN Monger
08-09-14, 16:30
I have got a ton of contacts in Kiev, and looking to share in exchange for some fresh faces. None of my contacts are hardcore pros, more UTR and students moonlighting on weekends. Looking for the same.

Irish Lad
08-09-14, 17:44
Hello folks,

Has anybody met this mamba lady who goes by the name of Alisiya?

She has multiple aliases and accounts on mamba.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1278287332?Helen, Ketrin and 10 or more others' Never met her but she is quite pushy.

Guntherus
08-09-14, 19:18
And what does UTR mean exactly? Its not in the Abbrevation section.


I have got a ton of contacts in Kiev, and looking to share in exchange for some fresh faces. None of my contacts are hardcore pros, more UTR and students moonlighting on weekends. Looking for the same.

Reiner Otto
08-09-14, 19:52
Good man, Otto - nice piece of opportunism!

Are you still in Mykolayiv, or visiting there from time-to-time?Only from time to time now. Actually too busy, so looking forward to Pattaya in October instead.

Niko is too wet in October.

Misc123
08-10-14, 04:15
She is quite pushy, talkative. Much older than the photo. Pro.

I was glad to get rid of her.

But again tastes are subjective. It is possible you may like her.


Hello folks,

Has anybody met this mamba lady who goes by the name of Alisiya?

She has multiple aliases and accounts on mamba.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1278287332?

AZN Monger
08-10-14, 05:56
And what does UTR mean exactly? Its not in the Abbrevation section.Under the Radar.

Fierce
08-10-14, 18:25
Hi,

Just browsing through the forums and there's a lot of info to take in. I will be travelling to Kiev soon and I wanted to know where is the best place to find legitimate escorts? I've found a few escort sites but most if not all seem to be fake. Attractive girls for cheap prices? Sounds too good to be true. Also image reverse search shows some pics are stolen.

So my question is there any sites with legitimate escorts?

Thanks

ChessB
08-11-14, 18:12
Thanks for the heads up. She does seem very keen.


She is quite pushy, talkative. Much older than the photo. Pro.

I was glad to get rid of her.

But again tastes are subjective. It is possible you may like her.

Straun
08-14-14, 07:47
I went to Buddha Bar Wednesday night around 10:30 to 12. There were a few people in the restaurant, like 2 men in the bar, and absolutely no women to speak of. So disappointing considering this was a place many people said to go for women.

Cayenne2010
08-14-14, 16:15
I have had some exploration experience in the past on mamba but did not lead to a visit to Kiev yet.

This time I have booked my trip and will be in Kiev 2nd week of September.

I have had success (exchanging over 100 messages and exchanges phone and texting on phone).

Seems current event has made some girls more willing to meet foreigners (comparing to my past chatting attempts).

But now I feel some cold feet! Some of these girls are really sweet, have normal jobs, a normal girl dreams and show extreme.

Impatience to meet (It is good to know still I have got games).

Here is the question.

1. I have had mongered in Toronto, and Vegas before and don't feel bad about it a bit P4 P honest transactions (at least on my part).

2. Going for my FKK debut in Zurich feel excited about it (report to follow).

3. I am going to stay 1 week in Ukraine and mybe I am wrong but my low estimate is at least.

With 2 girls, out of 6-7 active chatters, it is sure thing to close the deal (late 20's, 7. 5 to 8. 5 type).

4. Problem: I never had sex with girl on false promises! (believe it or not).

Always there was genius intention for relationship.

5. Looking for my bros word of wisdom hopefully telling me " don't be crazy go have fun".

YellowPaul
08-14-14, 16:35
With a war going on all the reports tell limited night life is limited to Friday & Saturday. Internet is a much better option but requires time and has it's own pitfalls.

Guntherus
08-15-14, 01:06
I have had some exploration experience in the past on mamba but did not lead to a visit to Kiev yet.

This time I have booked my trip and will be in Kiev 2nd week of September.

I have had success (exchanging over 100 messages and exchanges phone and texting on phone).

Seems current event has made some girls more willing to meet foreigners (comparing to my past chatting attempts).

But now I feel some cold feet! Some of these girls are really sweet, have normal jobs, a normal girl dreams and show extreme.

Impatience to meet (It is good to know still I have got games).

Here is the question.

1. I have had mongered in Toronto, and Vegas before and don't feel bad about it a bit P4 P honest transactions (at least on my part).

2. Going for my FKK debut in Zurich feel excited about it (report to follow).

3. I am going to stay 1 week in Ukraine and mybe I am wrong but my low estimate is at least.

With 2 girls, out of 6-7 active chatters, it is sure thing to close the deal (late 20's, 7. 5 to 8. 5 type).

4. Problem: I never had sex with girl on false promises! (believe it or not).

Always there was genius intention for relationship.

5. Looking for my bros word of wisdom hopefully telling me " don't be crazy go have fun".
What was the question? From the list of five, I can detect no question. Don't be crazy, go and have fun.

Gergiev
08-16-14, 03:16
Only from time to time now. Actually too busy, so looking forward to Pattaya in October instead.

Niko is too wet in October.Understandable, and probably a good decision.

Have a good time und gute Reise! :)

Cayenne2010
08-16-14, 03:53
Crazy girl but her main problem the photo is extremely photoshopped.

Actual face is 3-4 out of 10 !

Name: Elena but goes with Marta.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1277674934?hit=3

LilJoey
08-20-14, 14:59
Anyone know if Ambrazura closed? The website (ambrazura.com.ua) doesn't work now and calling their telephone number (+380 (67) 500 2070) gets a message that this number cannot be reached. Also I don't see their ad on top-modals.com anymore.

Based on the reports here on the thread, it sounded like an interesting option to check out during my next visit to Kiev.

LJ

Leggio1
08-21-14, 02:15
i thought this was interesting about barbie psychology. https://www.yahoo.com/health/the-psychology-of-a-human-barbie-95296932597.html i witnessed it first hand in ukraine. kind of freaky, but kind of erotic. if you have a vk profile, check out the photos of this [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) richi.

Member #4491
08-21-14, 20:48
Quite hot sponsor girl but greedy and very rude. Save yourself the time, unless you just want to bug her or have a couple of thousand USD extra to waste every month.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1297301965?hit=3

In general really good response on Mamba now.

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ChessB
08-23-14, 15:57
Can anybody advise recommended Kiev escorts rates.

Ignoring the ridiculous US 400-600 rates most range from 600-3000 UAH a hour.

FiddyCent
08-23-14, 18:23
Quite hot sponsor girl but greedy and very rude. Save yourself the time, unless you just want to bug her or have a couple of thousand USD extra to waste every month.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1297301965?hit=3

In general really good response on Mamba now.

BHello Barba.

This girl certainly gets what she wants. It looks like she has a lot of admirers. It is no wonder she can ask for more, as she seems to be in high demand. I would have to agree. I have made some contacts on Mamba, but I will have to confirm my flight details before I commit to any meetings.

FiddyCent.

Esatikkanen
08-24-14, 08:09
Crazy girl but her main problem the photo is extremely photoshopped.

Actual face is 3-4 out of 10 !

Name: Elena but goes with Marta.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1277674934?hit=3How is her body and performance? She offered 2 hours including anal for $100 - tempting.

Any sure fire girls anyone can recommend. I am in Kiev for a few days after coming back from 2 weeks in lugansk and donetsk regions and am looking to blow of some steam.

I have very promising conversations with this girl. Flirty, playful and dirty:

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1251670552?hit=3 - but she seems like she's hiding her body in a lot of the photos. With the quality of girls walking around, I don't want to mess around with chubby chicks. Can do that at home!

Is it reasonable to expect a girl of this quality who has agreed to $100 for 2 hours:

http://www.mamba.ru/v_alla?hit=3

Any chance these girls have real photos:

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1298993028/album_photos?album_id=1306437288&#closed.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1298993028/album_photos?album_id=1306437288&#closed.

Also wondering for insight from mamba masters, come girls will propose to meet without covering details on cash and service although they are looking for sponsorship: I. E.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1215888171?hit=3

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1287810025?hit=3

http://www.mamba.ru/Vsop2014?hit=3

http://www.mamba.ru/5kaif?hit=3

Also had conversations with girls who's photos re believable but have multiple accounts with different names. Does this indicate trouble or just a pro: I. E.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1202250928/dating

Finally,:

Any insight into this girl: http://www.mamba.ru/mb1295326566?hit=3.

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. I have limited time so I have to et to work. I will of course share whatever intel I collect. Also, thinking of trying via-escorts. I hear good things and want at least 1 sure fire experience with a real hot girl while I'm here. I will post my experience at dolly and relax spas in a separate post.

Esatikkanen
08-24-14, 08:34
i came to kiev before heading east about 2 weeks ago .

i wanted sure fire good time so i hit relax dolly (2 xs).

i went to relax 1st. i showed up around 3 am on a thursday and was met by a hot girl in her early 30's. i was hoping for better but she was good. luckily, she introduced a line up. i had the choice of stunning young brunette. one of the prettiest girls i have seen anywhere named elena. and a hot young redhead named katya. i went with katya because she looked more fun. she had 'pick me' look in her eyes. she was just ok. i went for the hour and the gave me an inflated price of 800 gr. i should have walked but i was worked up and didn't have any other options at the hour. she did a good job but it was evident it was a routine. also she shifted her body a lot so it was hard to touch her back. busted and left.

next night i went to dolly. i saw dash (http://salondolly.com/en/gallery/item/dasha.html) and being a sucker either extreme spinners, i had no choice. if you like spinners, she is ideal. she can't be more than 5 ft tall and 95 lbs. no fat at all. still has a tiny, cute ass and nice tits. i went for 2 hours for 800 gr. good choice. she didn't dilly dally with therapeutic massage. started with the light touch and with 10 minutes was on my. she did a nice job of build up and ease off. she wasn't trying to get me to bust in 2 seconds which i appreciate. she used her tits a lot. after multiple positions where i had nice access to her body i finished russian style between her tits while i was on top. as a courtesy i tried not to jizz directly in her face. went all over her shoulders and in her hair a bit. no complaints. made me think i should have dropped it between her eyes. second load took a lot of work. she followed my instructions for how i like it and got me there. fantastic! 2 negatives. her teeth are severely stained. looks like she was tasting red wine for 2 weeks never brushed. they didn't look rotten, just dark. also, zero eye contact. she averted eyes 100% of the time. couldn't even tell you the color. made me feel a bit bad (thus no load up the nostrils) but also a little bit of a turn on. i would see her again because i went back and chose someone else from the line up and she made all kinds of funny pouty faces. maybe she'll be a little more intimate next time.

second visit. i don't remember the girls name. she had a thicker gymnast type body. strong back, arms and thighs and very girl next door. looking at the pics on the site, i'm 90% sure its katya - http://salondolly.com/en/gallery/item/katya.html - 2 hours again. she did a totally amazing therapeutic massage for about 20 minutes. she then proceed to use every part of her body to squeeze every drop of liquid in my body out. i needed a break after the first pop. she wasn't having it. after the second, we had 15-20 minutes left and she wouldn't rest. i actually had to beg her to stop. she was the most enthusiastic girl i've seen in my long career. can't rem mend highly enough. 1 negative, a bit of back acne. other than that loved to her have clot massaged (no insertion) and had a bag of different trick and techniques.

i also was introduced to a juliya who was smoking hot. stayed away because of the wisdom here. don't know if its the same girl, but it led to a good choice.

Esatikkanen
08-24-14, 10:33
I wrote lengthy reviews on dolly and relax but they didn't post for some reason;.

2 be brief, went to dolly 2 times. Both times for 2 hour session. Saw dasha. Hot spinner body, cute face, bad teeth. Did her best to get me off 2 xs. Second time is tough and she was a trooper. First finish with her on her back between breasts. Second on her stomach. Very hot time. Only caveat, she averts eye contact.

Also saw katya. Thicker, muscular girl with GND look. Very cute. She was insatiable. After 2 pops I was done. She wouldn't get off my dick. Giggling, begging,. Awesome time.

Went to relax at 3 am on a Thursday. Was given the choice between a mid-30's stripper type who was a9 now a 7, a girl next door red head (also katya) and an unbelievable brunette with a tiny body and young gorgeous face. Went with the redhead because she had that "pick me" look in her eyes so I thought she'd be a pleaser. She was just ok. Payed for the hour, after the pop at 45 minutes, she offered me a shower so that was that. All in all ok but was also over charged. Paid 800 for the hour. Paid the same for 2 hours at dolly for much hotter time.

I am also looking for any 'sure things' on mamba? Looks like fun to find the non-pro who will do it for money. Any links appreciated.

Also going to splurge on gia once. Any recommendations, especially for a girl who like role-play. Any advice is welcome.

Will report back.

Esatikkanen
08-24-14, 10:37
She is quite pushy, talkative. Much older than the photo. Pro.

I was glad to get rid of her.

But again tastes are subjective. It is possible you may like her.Besides older, how was her body and performance. She quoted $100 for 2 hours including anal. Tempting if she is still firm.

ChessB
08-24-14, 16:15
Can anybody advise recommended Kiev escorts rates.

Ignoring the ridiculous US 400-600 rates most range from 600-3000 UAH a hour.Problem solved.

Thanks Anon3.


For some reason google translates Ukrainian money (UAH) into USD. So if your looking at website that is translated and it says 600 USD you can be sure the real price is 600 UAH (which is about 75 USD).

Cayenne2010
08-25-14, 15:12
http://www.mamba.ru/mb1296405889?hit=3

This is another fake. The real girl is still doable but has nothing to do with the photos.

I didn't met because was upset being fooled otherwise I wouldn't mind to proceed to bang.

Cheers

Me and You
08-25-14, 18:54
http://www.mamba.ru/Vsop2014?hit=3

http://www.mamba.ru/5kaif?hit=3

Finally,:

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. .I met with VSOP last year. But I didn't go with her for sex. She is not my taste and little old for me, and she is very pros, talks a lot about money. So I let her go.

http://www.mamba.ru/5kaif?hit=3 Masha, I met her 2 years ago. Not a great beauty may be 7, but a very hot and sexy girl. Open to anything (in that time) I don't know now.

I was in Kiev recently. I met too many beauties. Semi pros or occasional beauties. Not necessary mentioning sponsorship in their profile, as many of them, do not like to show themselves as offering sex for money. Because of friends or family. They are students or they are occasional girls, who met just when they need some cash. I am not into real pros or working girls. I like more students and semi pros or occasional girls. They are into pleasure and not only money. I noticed many girls are more opened to anal sex and CIM. Amazing.

By they way, now is the best time to go to Kiev. After coming back from holidays and universities are starting soon, student girls are in need of some cash.

Good luck

Misc123
08-25-14, 20:11
Try her at least once.


Besides older, how was her body and performance. She quoted $100 for 2 hours including anal. Tempting if she is still firm.

BrasilSoccer0
08-25-14, 20:54
How in earth did you live there?! They have no water, electricity or enough food and they are getting shelled by ukraines artillery and air power on a regular basis!!

Misterxxx
08-26-14, 13:15
Finally,:

Any insight into this girl: http://www.mamba.ru/mb1295326566?hit=3.

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. I have limited time so I have to et to work. I will of course share whatever intel I collect. Also, thinking of trying via-escorts. I hear good things and want at least 1 sure fire experience with a real hot girl while I'm here. I will post my experience at dolly and relax spas in a separate post.I met her 2 years ago (September 2012). At that time she already used the same photos to promote herself. Later she put the pictures on escort sites like dosug and top-modals.

I don't know how she is looking today. 2 Years ago she was more fat and looking much older than on the photos. Her english was quite good and her behaviour self-confident.

Good blowjob. Normal sex. Anal. CIM. CIF. More or less everything was possible for extra money. Bareback (not only blowjob), too. But I didn't try it.

She was smelling a little bit and I didn't feel very comfortable with her. She is a 100% hardcore prostitute. Not a normal student.

CyberDicker
08-26-14, 23:36
I met her 2 years ago (September 2012). At that time she already used the same photos to promote herself. Later she put the pictures on escort sites like dosug and top-modals.

I don't know how she is looking today. 2 Years ago she was more fat and looking much older than on the photos. Her english was quite good and her behaviour self-confident.

Good blowjob. Normal sex. Anal. CIM. CIF. More or less everything was possible for extra money. Bareback (not only blowjob), too. But I didn't try it.

She was smelling a little bit and I didn't feel very comfortable with her. She is a 100% hardcore prostitute. Not a normal student.I've also met her in February this year. It was late and I was feeling like meeting someone, and I met her on Mamba. After a couple messages and 45 minutes later she arrived to the hotel. I was suprised because, even if she really is the girl on the photos, she looks a little different in person.

And I agree she is a real 100% prostitute with a nice english level. Sex was hard with CIM, but I didn't tried anal. She asked me many times to stay the whole night. The rate were one hour 100 USD, 2 hours 200 USD and the whole night 300 USD.

Anyway, think about meeting a hardcore girl very professional, who is going to work during the time you paid her, but nothing beyond it. Not even a minute.

About smelling I don't remember any strange smell, she seemed really clean, but very self confident being even a little bit too much sometimes.

I think you can find quite better for the same price in Kiev, specially in this moment.

Hope this helps!

Member #4491
08-27-14, 01:02
She was smelling a little bit and I didn't feel very comfortable with her. She is a 100% hardcore prostitute. Not a normal student.Note her negativity in all pictures. Waste of time to see a woman with that look in all her pictures. I always look for some sort of sign of humanity in the pictures. If you just see facade and no personality at all, it is most often crap.

B

Menidi
08-27-14, 12:58
Does anyone know how long it takes to unblock the profile on Mamba?

I have all the bloody contact on it for my upcoming visit.

Cayenne2010
08-28-14, 02:27
Does anyone know how long it takes to unblock the profile on Mamba?

I have all the bloody contact on it for my upcoming visit.I had this happened to me before and I communicated via support page but they refused.

To unblock. Because of discussing money for sex with some girls.

But there was other reports here that after several back and force they unblocked another fellow.

So your best bet is to start with new profile while trying to convince them to unblock.

Cheers

Epicurus
08-28-14, 20:28
Do any sites in Kiev / escort sites have real photos other than Gia? Seems like any site that doesn't charge you 300+ hour have 0 chance of being real. Quite frustrating. Probably better luck just going to Budha Bar eh?

Uadreamgirls site seems too good to be true for the photos compared to the rates, so I assume they're all bait and switch. I guess enough suckers just accept the switches so they keep doing it?


What about mamba. Ru for any experts? You can search for Kiev girls whos "goals" for relationship are simply 'sex' and I assume those are the escorts right? If they respond or not at all seems like a crap shoot as well?


Gia is a rip-off, those prices are ridiculous! Well maybe not a rip-off, because they deliver what they promise and the photos are real. At least they were when I used them when I was the first time in Kiev. But really, they are about 5 times as expensive as what you can get otherwise in Kiev.

Besides Mamba, if you have the time, you could invest 1 or 2 days visiting the in-call apartments to take a look at the girls. Note their names, so you can order-in the next time. Usually 1 or 2 evenings are sufficient, since the best girls start to work at around 19.00. And most of those apartments are within walking distance from eachother in the center. Often there are guys there who can be your guide in taking you to the various in-call apartments. Just pay them 200 hrivna for their trouble of taking you to the various apartments. It saves you time of looking for those addresses and calling with the operators to guide you to those addresses. And if you're that kind of person, it is kinda entertaining, exciting and arousing in a way to see all those girls line up for you in one evening. If you don't speak Russian, they may add a couple of hundred hrivna to the price tho.

And in between, I advise you to get massages from the various salons. It's good to have your muscles smoothed from all that action.

Epicurus
08-28-14, 20:35
I had this happened to me before and I communicated via support page but they refused.

To unblock. Because of discussing money for sex with some girls.

But there was other reports here that after several back and force they unblocked another fellow.

So your best bet is to start with new profile while trying to convince them to unblock.

CheersI hope this won't happen to me, but I discuss money for sex with girls on mamba all the time. Are you sure, it wasn't for some other reason?

Epicurus
08-28-14, 20:43
I wrote lengthy reviews on dolly and relax but they didn't post for some reason;.

2 be brief, went to dolly 2 times. Both times for 2 hour session. Saw dasha. Hot spinner body, cute face, bad teeth. Did her best to get me off 2 xs. Second time is tough and she was a trooper. First finish with her on her back between breasts. Second on her stomach. Very hot time. Only caveat, she averts eye contact.

Also saw katya. Thicker, muscular girl with GND look. Very cute. She was insatiable. After 2 pops I was done. She wouldn't get off my dick. Giggling, begging,. Awesome time.

Went to relax at 3 am on a Thursday. Was given the choice between a mid-30's stripper type who was a9 now a 7, a girl next door red head (also katya) and an unbelievable brunette with a tiny body and young gorgeous face. Went with the redhead because she had that "pick me" look in her eyes so I thought she'd be a pleaser. She was just ok. Payed for the hour, after the pop at 45 minutes, she offered me a shower so that was that. All in all ok but was also over charged. Paid 800 for the hour. Paid the same for 2 hours at dolly for much hotter time.

I am also looking for any 'sure things' on mamba? Looks like fun to find the non-pro who will do it for money. Any links appreciated.

Also going to splurge on gia once. Any recommendations, especially for a girl who like role-play. Any advice is welcome.

Will report back.Gia girls really aren't that special, or do you think they are special because you have to pay 5 times more for them than normal price for such a standard of girl? And regarding to Mamba, let me say that usually I am surprised if the girl that appears is the same as the girl on the photos of her profile. Although I have to say that lately the girl that comes really is the same as on the photo, and that is because there seems to be more semi-pros opening mamba profiles. It is your own money, but please think twice before you are encouraging gia to ask those prices.

Cayenne2010
08-29-14, 01:45
I hope this won't happen to me, but I discuss money for sex with girls on mamba all the time. Are you sure, it wasn't for some other reason?If both party are ok with discussing money for sex is no problem.

But girls who get offended can report you and then they block.

So basically if you do this discussion with the wrong girl.

Menidi
08-29-14, 11:48
If both party are ok with discussing money for sex is no problem.

But girls who get offended can report you and then they block.

So basically if you do this discussion with the wrong girl.Hi all,

Got my profile back with the following message:

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(Your profile has been blocked for sending messages with suggestions of an intimate nature for many users, as you received a lot of complaints. In case you commit such acts again, Your profile will be blocked permanently. At the moment your application is available on site. Please refer to the Service Agreement.).

Best Regards,

Support Team.

My advice, avoid sending multiple messages to the girls that do not respond to the first message guys!

Epicurus
08-29-14, 19:16
If both party are ok with discussing money for sex is no problem.

But girls who get offended can report you and then they block.

So basically if you do this discussion with the wrong girl.Better is to let them make the first move.

Ultrasound380
08-30-14, 14:32
Sorry, I was away for a couple of weeks. Oxana And W are well known on Mamba. PM me and I will send details. I agree they are quite flaky but can be fun.

A girl I met a few times needs money. She is flexible and reliable. A friendly girl that is very broke, and I promised to help her, so drop me a line if you are in Kiev or going the coming days and need some entertainment. She will do anal if your tool is not too big.

BHi,

I'm in Kiev at the moment staying in a luxury hotel. Cannot figure out how to PM you for the details of the girl who's a no. Pro who's looking for extra cash. Kindly let me know how I may contact her.

Thanks a lot.

Moski
08-30-14, 18:30
Hi,

I'm in Kiev at the moment staying in a luxury hotel. Cannot figure out how to PM you for the details of the girl who's a no. Pro who's looking for extra cash. Kindly let me know how I may contact her.

Thanks a lot.http://www.mamba.ru/mb1132323512?hit=3

JoeMal
08-31-14, 23:11
Hello fellow mongers,

I am going 2 Kiev for 5 days for work (no time to waste).

After visiting Medellin twice would like to try something else.

Few questions.

1. How safe is Kiev now?

2. Want to spend my time and money well (going directly 4 sex=3 pops a day minimum).

Where do I find the girls (pro's or semi pro's)?

3. Are there APT's / sex agencies / massage (sex) that you just show up check the line up and pick a girl and have sex on the spot. (like I read about Dolly).

Is there a list of address or a map like in Medellin with prices?

4. Does it pay off to put your time and effort in Mamba (again looking for pro's or semi pro's)?

In order to save some time would pay a guide few UAH to show me around and help me find some girls.

Where do I find such a guide that I can trust (more or less).

Thanks for any info.

Member #4274
09-01-14, 06:07
Hello fellow mongers,

I am going 2 Kiev for 5 days for work (no time to waste).

After visiting Medellin twice would like to try something else.

Few questions.

1. How safe is Kiev now?

2. Want to spend my time and money well (going directly 4 sex=3 pops a day minimum).

Where do I find the girls (pro's or semi pro's)?

3. Are there APT's / sex agencies / massage (sex) that you just show up check the line up and pick a girl and have sex on the spot. (like I read about Dolly).

Is there a list of address or a map like in Medellin with prices?

4. Does it pay off to put your time and effort in Mamba (again looking for pro's or semi pro's)?

In order to save some time would pay a guide few UAH to show me around and help me find some girls.

Where do I find such a guide that I can trust (more or less).

Thanks for any info.With all due respect, this is the kind of post that drives me crazy. Most of your questions have been answered from posts over the past 6-12 months, which means you've not taken the time to do your homework. While I am sure someone will reply to your post, as an experienced monger from Kyiv, nothing bothers me more than someone who asks for so much but is not willing to put some effort in whatsoever. The only question I am condescending to answer is that according to my many friends in Kyiv, it is safe and calm there. However, there is a war in the country and that means a certain unpredictability factor you must be willing to accept.

Sorbonne
09-01-14, 12:53
Hello fellow mongers,

I am going 2 Kiev for 5 days for work (no time to waste).

After visiting Medellin twice would like to try something else.

Few questions.

1. How safe is Kiev now?

2. Want to spend my time and money well (going directly 4 sex=3 pops a day minimum).

Where do I find the girls (pro's or semi pro's)?

3. Are there APT's / sex agencies / massage (sex) that you just show up check the line up and pick a girl and have sex on the spot. (like I read about Dolly).

Is there a list of address or a map like in Medellin with prices?

4. Does it pay off to put your time and effort in Mamba (again looking for pro's or semi pro's)?

In order to save some time would pay a guide few UAH to show me around and help me find some girls.

Where do I find such a guide that I can trust (more or less).

Thanks for any info.Sorry to say this, but Kiev is never easy. If you want a blast like nowhere else, you need to invest a lot of work. Read all the posts on this thread to begin with.

Guntherus
09-01-14, 13:27
Hello fellow mongers,

I am going 2 Kiev for 5 days for work (no time to waste).

After visiting Medellin twice would like to try something else.

Few questions.

1. How safe is Kiev now?

2. Want to spend my time and money well (going directly 4 sex=3 pops a day minimum).

Where do I find the girls (pro's or semi pro's)?

3. Are there APT's / sex agencies / massage (sex) that you just show up check the line up and pick a girl and have sex on the spot. (like I read about Dolly).

Is there a list of address or a map like in Medellin with prices?

4. Does it pay off to put your time and effort in Mamba (again looking for pro's or semi pro's)?

In order to save some time would pay a guide few UAH to show me around and help me find some girls.

Where do I find such a guide that I can trust (more or less).

Thanks for any info.Maybe you give us answere to similar questions about Medellin? I am thinking perhaps it's better to go there instead of Kiev if this conflict keeps escalating.

Muddy7
09-02-14, 05:36
Joemal,

Note that there is no hot water:

http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/olena-halushka-by-keeping-kyiv-without-hot-water-all-summer-city-government-only-gets-10-days-of-heating-in-winter-362908.html

Also, stay away from Rio, that club is a money burner, my buddy was there 3 weeks ago and he said it was empty few customers after 11 pm and not many girls.

JoeMal
09-02-14, 22:02
joemal,

note that there is no hot water:

http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/olena-halushka-by-keeping-kyiv-without-hot-water-all-summer-city-government-only-gets-10-days-of-heating-in-winter-362908.html

also, stay away from rio, that club is a money burner, my buddy was there 3 weeks ago and he said it was empty few customers after 11 pm and not many girls.thank you all for your answers.

i've done some reading and i understand that besides erotic / massage locations and call apartments around the center of kiev, mamba is one of the more efficient ways to get p4 p in kiev. (although it is very time consuming).

i have about a month till i go.

how do you setup a date with a mamba girl a month in advance with very poor "paruski" skills using google translate?

ok, let's say you got a coffee house date or speed dates afternoon (like the forum veterans recommended).

i understand that most of the girls are using fake pics (that's cool by me as long as the girl that shows up is a 7 and up).

but what do you say if she is a 4?

how would you send her away from a coffee house without being rood?

how would i recognize her in the 1st place?

btw is there a street walker's scene in kiev?

thanks

PGrand
09-04-14, 20:58
Good day gents,

Does anyboday have infos about a Lady named Viktoria, about 35 years old, blonde, stunning girl, used to hang out in Buddha Bar. Speaks fluent Italian and English.

I have heard some good things but nobody knows how to contact her. Appreciate any help.

Thanks

Member #4274
09-05-14, 02:08
thank you all for your answers.

i've done some reading and i understand that besides erotic / massage locations and call apartments around the center of kiev, mamba is one of the more efficient ways to get p4 p in kiev. (although it is very time consuming).

i have about a month till i go.

how do you setup a date with a mamba girl a month in advance with very poor "paruski" skills using google translate?

ok, let's say you got a coffee house date or speed dates afternoon (like the forum veterans recommended).

i understand that most of the girls are using fake pics (that's cool by me as long as the girl that shows up is a 7 and up).

but what do you say if she is a 4?

how would you send her away from a coffee house without being rood?

how would i recognize her in the 1st place?

btw is there a street walker's scene in kiev?

thanksi never meet with a girl from mamba until i see some real photos of her. either through private email, facebook etc. if she refuses i simply refuse to meet with her. i also warn her if she sends me photos and shows up not matching these photos, i will send her away. you have to be understanding of their privacy, but you must also protect yourself. if you make yourself clear before you meet her, all should go smoothly. i've met a number of women in ukraine and belarus off of mamba and have never had a problem.

Protocol
09-05-14, 17:42
How do you setup a date with a mamba girl a month in advance with very poor "paruski" skills using Google translate?
A month ahead is like the next life in Ukraine.

I wouldn't drop a plan on anyone more than a week out. Too many things can change. And have a backup plan.



How would you send her away from a coffee house without being rood?

How would I recognize her in the 1st place?
These are standard internet dating problems. If someone jumps in on you and they are horrific and showed you photos of some beauty, they have begun their relationship with you by lying. You do not owe them anything. It's an uncomfortable situation, but you are welcome to lie too to safe face. Say you have to go because you have to go to the dentist. Ask the girl if she wants a taxi and offer to pay. She calls the taxi you give her 71 UAH or whatever and bye bye. She can exit and you don't get any fuss. If she is taking the metro say ok, I will walk you to the metro. Go to the waitress and tell her you're putting money in your mobile and will be back in 20 minutes (if you want to stay, personally I wouldn't have a lineup of girls coming and leaving a coffee shop, I'd go somewhere else).




BTW is there a Street walker's scene in Kiev?
No, but charming guys have no problem meeting normal girls in the street.

But it requires someone smooth, attractive and with charm. Being able to speak Russian helps. Since none of that is probably realistic then just go to Rio. Cleaner and safer and all you need is money.

Cayenne2010
09-05-14, 21:53
Just arrived in Kiev and had a walk of maidan and independence.

Square and streets around (6 pm to 10 pm) all mice and peaceful.

No issue.

Cayenne2010
09-06-14, 12:41
Following my last post.

I continued bar hoping until 5:00 am.

With a date from mamba.

I didn't not feel less safe let's say walking.

In New York. Also my apartment near stadium.

Has gas / hot power / electricity.

I am developing an LTR with a hot MILF.

At Sky Bar lots of Hotties walking around.

But as I was happily with my date I can't tell.

How many were working.

Also on another note for first timers.

I was alone in underground shopping.

Center under Maidan and my 2-3 words.

Knowledge of Russian which includes.

Hi, good morning, how much, and thank you.

Was well received more than 80 percent.

Of the time overall friendly people.

With a bunch of jerks like many e. G. US.

Cities.


Just arrived in Kiev and had a walk of maidan and independence.

Square and streets around (6 pm to 10 pm) all mice and peaceful.

No issue.

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Jojosun
09-07-14, 16:59
Good day gents,

Does anyboday have infos about a Lady named Viktoria, about 35 years old, blonde, stunning girl, used to hang out in Buddha Bar. Speaks fluent Italian and English.

I have heard some good things but nobody knows how to contact her. Appreciate any help.

ThanksHave you actually met her in person at Buddah Bar or is the above based on hear say?

PGrand
09-08-14, 13:05
Have you actually met her in person at Buddah Bar or is the above based on hear say?I met her last year in Buddah Bar. She also goes to Vodka Bar (that I heard). But I never actually spent time with her.

Misterxxx
09-08-14, 22:38
I met her last year in Buddah Bar. She also goes to Vodka Bar (that I heard). But I never actually spent time with her.Vodka Bar is already a nogo. I was there on the weekend. Two times. I felt like I was on a gay party. No fun anymore. The ratio was 5 men to 1 girl. No hotties. Aggressive atmosphere. Horrible. The good old time of the Vodka Bar is over.

Cayenne2010
09-09-14, 04:07
I just returned from a weekend in Kiev. Before getting there I was feeling I am being very adventurous by visiting Kiev for the first time while the country is in war. It turned out none was an issue. War is in the east and Kiev looked very very Normal. There are enough nice people (majority of them) to help A foreigner who knows not more than 6-7 Russian word. I started 1-2 months in advance and my goal was to have freebies for repeating interactions (LTR). My backup plan was to find working girls on mamba and / or visit Caribbean club if the dates don't work. I started by buying VIP on mamba & real photos and fake character who often visit Ukraine for work trips. I am 42 with hair no extra pounds and light brown skin (for the record). My fake character is 39 as 40 is deal breaker for many girls in target group. After search on mamba I ended up to exchange phone and chat with about 9-10 girls 2 of them working girls and the rest potential dates ranging from 20-31 years old. Chat continued on WhatsApp and finally 3 dates was set for the last weekend. First date was a nice 28 years old lawyer we met on Friday and she gave me a nice tour of city although ver nice personality I was not attracted to not photoshopped version!! I had to ditch her painfully (as she is really nice and sweet person). Moving on to the next date at 11 pm on Friday. And my goodness she is the real deal hot and attractive blonde 31 years with stunning face better in 3 D than photos. First night we did bar hopping and drinks here and there including sky bar and with only a good night kiss at 5 am. The second day we end up in my apartment and only left to eat food and return to bed until Monday that I had to painfully leave Kiev. It was just magic. So the 3rd date and other backup plans did not happen. My approach on mamba was to be nice and respectful no mention of sex or sexually provocative comments as I was seeking normal and educated girls so it took time but couldn't be happier with result. The weekend costed 350 $ USD on food, drink, flower, taxi, gift. Now all I can think is how to meet her again! So thank you all contributing member with special mention Medini and Epcurus who offered to meet a newbie in person in Kiev. So in conclusion I think everyone can find what they are looking for in Ukraine just RTFF and prepare.

Guntherus
09-09-14, 21:45
I met her last year in Buddah Bar. She also goes to Vodka Bar (that I heard). But I never actually spent time with her.Well, I remember to have a chat with her my last night of the August2013-trip to Kiev, found her very attractive, but had no time to develop the "relationship" in the situation, too complicated to explain. But I would ask the bar people or the manager (with a little extra to help his / her memory). Or have someone local to ask for you. Good luck.

Member #4491
09-09-14, 21:56
Seems like the girl Ya* I recommended to some have gone moody and gave bad service. I did not see her for a very long time. Maybe better you avoid her.

B

Marco81
09-10-14, 11:18
Seems like the girl Ya* I recommended to some have gone moody and gave bad service. I did not see her for a very long time. Maybe better you avoid her.

BThanks for the warning. I was just talking with her for a date in two weeks.

Jojosun
09-10-14, 12:39
Well, I remember to have a chat with her my last night of the August2013-trip to Kiev, found her very attractive, but had no time to develop the "relationship" in the situation, too complicated to explain. .Not sure by what you mean " relationship" and, too complicated to explain?

The "girl " ain't a Spring Chicken and she's been around the P4 P scene for a long time.

I had a very quick "relationship" with her about 9 years ago, but it wasn't in Kiev or Ukraine.

The only relationship (she and I) wanted at the time was Money for the one hour in exchange for sex. Lasted about 15 minutes.

She loved that song when I reminded her of it " Your Love gives me such thrills, But it won't pay my bills. I want Money ".

Here is the video.

Her hard work and overseas tours made her good money which enabled her to build a house in one of the subs of Kiev.

Jojosun
09-10-14, 16:01
Not sure by what you mean " relationship" and, too complicated to explain?

She loved that song when I reminded her of it " Your Love gives me such thrills, But it won't pay my bills. I want Money ".

Here is the video.

Her hard work and overseas tours made her good money which enabled her to build a house in one of the subs of Kiev.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c-_jiaBlBU

Guntherus
09-10-14, 18:26
Her hard work and overseas tours made her good money which enabled her to build a house in one of the subs of Kiev.Good for her! I'm sure your contribution was well worthwhile. I spend mine on the lambs.

PGrand
09-10-14, 21:00
Not sure by what you mean " relationship" and, too complicated to explain?

The "girl " ain't a Spring Chicken and she's been around the P4 P scene for a long time.

I had a very quick "relationship" with her about 9 years ago, but it wasn't in Kiev or Ukraine.

The only relationship (she and I) wanted at the time was Money for the one hour in exchange for sex. Lasted about 15 minutes.

She loved that song when I reminded her of it " Your Love gives me such thrills, But it won't pay my bills. I want Money ".

Here is the video.

Her hard work and overseas tours made her good money which enabled her to build a house in one of the subs of Kiev.Just to make sure, we are still talking about Viktoria. Classy blonde Women, about 35, speaks fluent Italian and English and some French?

Jojosun
09-10-14, 21:45
Good for her! I'm sure your contribution was well worthwhile. I spend mine on the lambs.My contribution at the time Nov 2009 was the equivalent of US $ 60 + US $8 lady drink. Don't know how many Bricks that bought her when she she was building her house in Kiev in 2009 .

She wasn't a very good lay I might add, but I kept her Kiev number as a reference and plan be. Didn't meet her again when I started going to Kiev in 2009. Didn't fancy doing senior hoes there.

Jojosun
09-11-14, 11:15
My contribution at the time Nov 2009 was the equivalent of US $ 60 + US $8 lady drink. Don't know how many Bricks that bought her when she she was building her house in Kiev in 2009..Correction. Nov 2005.

Jojosun
09-11-14, 11:41
Just to make sure, we are still talking about Viktoria. Classy blonde Women, about 35, speaks fluent Italian and English and some French?The Victoria (Ukrainian) I met in 2005 was about 26/27 yrs, very attractive, spoke English.

I don't know about her Italian or French, or her being classy as I met her in a sex club. Classy Hoe?

I know she used to go to Buddha Bar Kiev and reading your posts on Italy Forum it seems the Lady does a lot of Air Miles as well. What kind of work was she doing In Milano and Calabria?


Good day gents,

Does anyboday have infos about a Ukrainian Lady named Viktoria, about 35 years old, working in Milano and sometimes in Calabria.

I have heard some good things but nobody knows how to contact her. Appreciate any help.

Thanks

PGrand
09-12-14, 16:55
Thanks for the warning. I was just talking with her for a date in two weeks.Where did you want to meet her? In Kiev?

Muddy7
09-19-14, 21:38
Ukrainians to start traveling visa-free to EU countries no earlier than May.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukrainians-to-start-traveling-visa-free-to-eu-countries-no-earlier-than-may-365299.html