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I am thinking of returning to ukraine. Is there a black market for dollars?
I am thinking of returning to ukraine. Is there a black market for dollars?Why? There are no regulations in place, so no incentive for a 'black market'.
Beside, it'll be hard to extort more when a currency is already free falling?
I didn't know if the online rates were a fairly accurate representation of what you actually got in person or not.
Hi all,
I read in previous reports that the rate for freelancers in the night clubs used to be 1 k-1. 5 k Ukraine for all night, and in other forums they said the price is in USD, or 100 USD for the all night.
What is the current rate the freelance girls charge in the night clubs for all night, or for a 1 hour sex?
Also in what time do the night clubs usually start having lots of girls?
One more question, are the many night clubs which are listed in wikisexguide near one another in a one area, or are they scattered across Kiev?
Member #4491
02-11-15, 01:37
I am thinking of returning to ukraine. Is there a black market for dollars?Yes, since there is a very low limit now on how much foreign currency anyone can purchase from say a bank, there is a "secondary market".
But IMHO it does not make so much of a difference unless you plan to handle very large amounts. I had this checked some days ago and the potential profit was basically more related to who one happened to get hold of, than some "official black market rate". It is very volatile. So unless you wish to do someone a favor and help him / her to get a larger amount of for example USD or Eur, I think it is is a waste of time to chase those extra grivnas. Better chase some extra poonani instead.
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Beerdrinker
02-11-15, 04:47
I have been many places. DR, Colombia, thai, phillipines, Cambodia, nicaragua, holland, CR. And I dream of travel to Kiev. Is it safe for american who doesn't speak the language? Any suggestion on monthly rental? Feel free to PM me.
I have been many places. DR, Colombia, thai, phillipines, Cambodia, nicaragua, holland, CR. And I dream of travel to Kiev. Is it safe for american who doesn't speak the language? Any suggestion on monthly rental? Feel free to PM me.I pretty much have the same question that you do. Did you plan on traveling this year, in the next few months?
As reports have been rather thin of late I thought I'd come out of the shadows and post some info having just got back from a weekend in Kiev. Although this is my first post I have been visiting Ukraine since 2009 and even managed a visit to RP before it was towed away.
The most obvious thing to say is that the falling price of the hryvnia is making restaurants and clubs pleasingly cheap. It also seems to have stopped any increase in $ prices for P4P.
I should also emphasize that Central Kiev seemed to perfectly safe and indeed extremely quiet.
Mamba.
I have used Mamba in the past and collected a long term girlfriend in consequence but I find the site increasingly less helpful for weekend warriors like myself. Pros can no longer blatantly advertise P4P and freebies seem to have become so cynical of western men that you have to genuinely enter into a relationship to get anywhere. Many if not most of the photos are also deceptive. I am sure those more long term residents of Kiev are more successful but for me Mamba only seems to result in rejection or girls who genuinely do want to enter into long term relationships.
Gia.
I know Gia has few fans on this site but the prices charged by some of the girls are getting increasingly close to the prices charged in Rio or by some girls in clubs. I have had at least one 9 from this site and all of the girls I have seen have been punctual, presentable and passionate. Even the more professional girls have turned out to be quite sweet after a glass or two of wine and one or two of them were actually real GFE. The line up seems to have become younger and more attractive of late so don't ignore Gia if you can afford it.
Clubs.
Sky Bar seems to be turning into something more akin to River Palace. I visited last year and it was a genuine nightclub with perhaps 50% pros and semi-pros but last weekend there were so many single girls around the bar that there was barely room to dance. As I bought company (assuming it was still a nightclub) I did not inquire of prices but there were some stunning girls there.
The quality of girls in Avalon is nowhere near as good as Sky Bar. A fact which is not properly reflected in the prices charged. I like the shear kitsch of the place but there is no other reason to go there.
Rio.
After all the brickbats received by LittleJoey I decided to check out Rio for myself on my last night. Suitably suited and booted I was immediately ushered into the VIP lounge. Entrance was 200 hryvnia, private dances 400 hryvnia and the drinks were similarly priced to my hotel. The establishment is extremely well run and safe. The manager Andrei could not be more helpful. Indeed the reception compares well with most clubs in Kiev.
I was impressed by the line up and by just how nubile the three girls I took for a private dance were. They were as fresh as any girl I've ever taken from a club.
The girl I took out ($300) was simply lovely. She had the most perfect skin and was tall and thin as the best Ukrainian girls always are. We had a great chat over dinner (she was of course at university) and then she simply fucked my brains out. DATY was allowed BJ was covered but was so seamlessly performed that I didn't really notice the difference. As I lay there exhausted she picked up my phone put her number in phoned her phone to see that it worked and then told me she would love to see me again and rushed off for the 5 pm deadline at Rio. Now we are exchanging emails and arranging to meet next time I am in Kiev.
Everyone's experiences are different but I'd like to thank LittleJoey as without his post none of the aforementioned would have been possible.
Conclusion.
Kiev is still alive and kicking as a monger destination. The falling value of the Hryvnia is making most things cheaper and in the light of the current crisis, Russians are no longer as popular. Ukraine is waiting to embrace the West so get your arses over there!
Thanks for your report Sgt. Boyle!
I will be arriving in Kiev this weekend and hope that I too can add useful information to the forum.
I do not understand what you said about the Rio 5 pm check in that your new friend need to be there for. How long did she spend with you?
Thanks again!
The most obvious thing to say is that the falling price of the hryvnia is making restaurants and clubs pleasingly cheap. It also seems to have stopped any increase in $ prices for P4P.
This is not true. It's just an illusion. An impression of the moment. The hryvna was falling very fast during the past weeks and months. Restaurants, clubs and even the girls are unable to increase the prices within that time. But they will do it. They must do it. Just wait another one month and all the menues in the restaurants will be full of stickers with the new prices. And the apartment agencies will just accept a hand full of dollars and euros. The price of the metro and the busses was already going up +100% within one day (last weekend).
If somebody wants to go to Kiev right now, it's true. Everything will be cheaper. If anybody is already making plans for the spring or for the summer: The situation will change. And instead of your 100 UAH bill of the past you will get a 200 UAH bill in the future.
Is anybody help me about usd to uah rate? Google says 26.69 but in the town what is it?
Huh? Who said anything about fucking them. I'm just trying to determine if the massage parlors have started raising prices? Most were 400-500 UAH for an hour erotic body massage plus he. At 8:1 that was $50-$62. A good value for a visitor. If the prices have stayed the same then that's $25-$31 for an hour long massage and he from a good looking girl. If they haven't raised prices that's now incredible value for money for those that are into the massage plus he.
Any regular visitors to the MPs have any insight?With the UAH at 25/1.
Have the rates for massage been rising?
Thanks for the long awaited (report from the shadows, sgt. Boyle, it is good, even if I don't fully share the optimistic view on your evaluation of prices and politics. We would love to hear names of some Gia (and Mamba) girls you met, esp. If they were gorgeous in looks and attitude, as well as quotes on actual costs paid, incl. Dinner. Did you pay in dollars, like the Rio-girl? Thanks in advance, RB.
.....I have used Mamba in the past and collected a long term girlfriend in consequence but I find the site increasingly less helpful for weekend warriors like myself. Pros can no longer blatantly advertise P4P and freebies seem to have become so cynical of western men that you have to genuinely enter into a relationship to get anywhere. Many if not most of the photos are also deceptive. I am sure those more long term residents of Kiev are more successful but for me Mamba only seems to result in rejection........
.....The girl I took out ($300) was simply lovely. She had the most perfect skin and was tall and thin as the best Ukrainian girls always are. We had a great chat over dinner (she was of course at university) and then she simply fucked my brains out. DATY was allowed BJ was covered but was so seamlessly performed that I didn't really notice the difference. As I lay there exhausted she picked up my phone put her number in phoned her phone to see that it worked and then told me she would love to see me again and rushed off for the 5 pm deadline at Rio. Now we are exchanging emails and arranging to meet next time I am in Kiev.
Hello everybody,
Going back to Kiev on the 26. Th this month. Does anyone know what the maximum amount of money is right now to withdraw at the ATM. S? Since the currency is so low right now I want to take out as much cash as I can so I have for some trips later on.
Is there any banks that let you take out more then others?
Nallen
If somebody wants to go to Kiev right now, it's true. Everything will be cheaper. If anybody is already making plans for the spring or for the summer: The situation will change. And instead of your 100 UAH bill of the past you will get a 200 UAH bill in the future.As far as escorts go, if a girl was charging 1000 grivna when 1 $ was 10 grivna she is still charging her local boys 1000 UAH but she is charging foreigners now 2600 grivna, so if you are stupid you don't negotiate and you pay her 2600.
Just like taxi drivers escorts have different set of prices for locals and foreigners.
I used to pay a beautiful girl $200 for 2 hours, saw her 5 times, my last trip last yr she wanted $300 because I'm a foreigner, I didn't even negotiate with her, just didn't call her while I was there (17 days), too many girls, saw 3 girls 6-7 times for 1700 grn - 2 hours.
The thing is many of these girls go to nightclubs and offer foreigners $300 for 1 hour and these idiots pay $300.
AColonizer
02-17-15, 05:00
Hello,
That is the usual problem about crazy prices and silly men, unfortunately this forum is not enough for inherited foolishness. But I am here for a question. Since it is years I don't go to Kiev, I am reading prices of about 4000 HRV for an overnight in some Ukrainian prostitute sites: is that true?
As far as escorts go, if a girl was charging 1000 grivna when 1 $ was 10 grivna she is still charging her local boys 1000 UAH but she is charging foreigners now 2600 grivna, so if you are stupid you don't negotiate and you pay her 2600.
Just like taxi drivers escorts have different set of prices for locals and foreigners.
I used to pay a beautiful girl $200 for 2 hours, saw her 5 times, my last trip last yr she wanted $300 because I'm a foreigner, I didn't even negotiate with her, just didn't call her while I was there (17 days), too many girls, saw 3 girls 6-7 times for 1700 grn - 2 hours.
The thing is many of these girls go to nightclubs and offer foreigners $300 for 1 hour and these idiots pay $300.
Hi guys,
I am in Kiev this week, wanted to see if anyone has any advice.
I have not been here for a few years, miss the River Palace.
Thanks for any help.
Hello everybody,
Going back to Kiev on the 26. Th this month. Does anyone know what the maximum amount of money is right now to withdraw at the ATM. S? Since the currency is so low right now I want to take out as much cash as I can so I have for some trips later on.
Is there any banks that let you take out more then others?
NallenI was there last week. 4000 grivna seems to be the maximum in many ATMs.
Frisky2015
02-17-15, 16:27
Can anyone recommend which are the best sites for girls who actually look like their photos?
I have heard of sites where the girls that turn up are not the same as the photos on the site.
Also what is the going rate at the moment for a decent looking girl per hour?
Frisky2015
02-17-15, 17:39
Hi,
Has anyone used the site RelaxKiev?
What was the experience like and did the lady match the photo?
Unfortunately, yes, my trusted friend in Kiev tells me, that if you cannot mingle in the natives and speak the language, you will be charged in dollars. He was ready to fetch me from Borispol airport for 20 instead of 40 dol, but everyone else, incl. Taxis, girls, hotels, apartment rentals and so on, will charge in dollars or the UAH equivalent, he informed me. If possible, negotiate the price before entering the country, then there is some chance of reality check. But for me, the real problem is the risk. Politics make people tense.
Hello,
That is the usual problem about crazy prices and silly men, unfortunately this forum is not enough for inherited foolishness. But I am here for a question. Since it is years I don't go to Kiev, I am reading prices of about 4000 HRV for an overnight in some Ukrainian prostitute sites: is that true?
Since the start of Euromaidan, the value of Ukrainian Hryvnia has fallen to 1/3. So if we pay them the same amount of money in $, they are making 3 times more for the same service!
I somewhat appreciate those services that have lowered their asking price in $ or have been offering discounts, such as some apartments and agencies like Gia, if not completely following the changes in the exchange rate.
I would certainly appreciate more those services that evenly charge Russian speakers and non-Russian speakers in Hryvnia, such as some massage parlors.
But I will definitely try to boycott as much as possible those sesrvices that have not at all lowered their asking price in $, when I go to Kiev in March.
Since the start of Euromaidan, the value of Ukrainian Hryvnia has fallen to 1/3. So if we pay them the same amount of money in $, they are making 3 times more for the same service!
I somewhat appreciate those services that have lowered their asking price in $ or have been offering discounts, such as some apartments and agencies like Gia, if not completely following the changes in the exchange rate.
I would certainly appreciate more those services that evenly charge Russian speakers and non-Russian speakers in Hryvnia, such as some massage parlors.
But I will definitely try to boycott as much as possible those sesrvices that have not at all lowered their asking price in $, when I go to Kiev in March.The price of the new iPhone in Kiev has not fallen to 1/3. The rice that the restaurants have to buy for you sushi and the fuel that the taxi driver needs to use his car, too.
The price of the puplic transport (metro, bus) was climbing up (now they use green jetons instead of the old blue jetons). Even the price of the gas is not the same.
Inflation doesn't mean that everything is much cheaper right now. For the same money you can't buy the same things that you could buy one year ago.
AColonizer
02-18-15, 13:10
4000 grivnas are about 150 dollars for an overnight, therefore the deal should be good. But I am reading in this forum too many people talking about 150 dollars for one hour in some pseudo P4P clubs. I never paid more than 300 dollars for an overnight years ago and I never pay more in next future. So, grivnas prices are just a fraud such as prostitutes in Moscow, or men became more silly than in the past?
Unfortunately, yes, my trusted friend in Kiev tells me, that if you cannot mingle in the natives and speak the language, you will be charged in dollars. He was ready to fetch me from Borispol airport for 20 instead of 40 dol, but everyone else, incl. Taxis, girls, hotels, apartment rentals and so on, will charge in dollars or the UAH equivalent, he informed me. If possible, negotiate the price before entering the country, then there is some chance of reality check. But for me, the real problem is the risk. Politics make people tense.
The price of the new iPhone in Kiev has not fallen to 1/3. The rice that the restaurants have to buy for your sushi and the fuel that the taxi driver needs to use his car, too.
The price of the puplic transport (metro, bus) was climbing up (now they use green jetons instead of the old blue jetons). Even the price of the gas is not the same.
Inflation doesn't mean that everything is much cheaper right now. For the same money you can't buy the same things that you could buy one year ago.Sure, anything that are imported must be more expensive in Ukraine, for example, what the supermarket under the Arena City sells. I wonder how they are doing. To think about it, I didn't think about this, and reserved an apartment near the supermarket.
But I didn't know that they import rice? I thought Ukraine was one of the larger agricultural countries. But, well, I understand that in a country like Ukraine, everything is unpredictable.
More importantly, now that the ceasefire seems to be mostly in place, what's next? But the time I get to Kiev, the price could be back to the one before the free fall on Feb. 5.
If you have to pick between Kiev, St. Petersburg, or an unknown place like Vladivostok. In the currently market what would be the best choice? Has anyone got Mamba to work out recently?
Sure, anything that are imported must be more expensive in Ukraine, for example, what the supermarket under the Arena City sells. I wonder how they are doing. To think about it, I didn't think about this, and reserved an apartment near the supermarket.
But I didn't know that they import rice? I thought Ukraine was one of the larger agricultural countries. But, well, I understand that in a country like Ukraine, everything is unpredictable.
More importantly, now that the ceasefire seems to be mostly in place, what's next? But the time I get to Kiev, the price could be back to the one before the free fall on Feb. 5.When I was in Kiev last in October 2014, the supermarket that was downstairs under the mall in Arena building was closed. I used to like that supermarket very much, as there was an entrance to it from the parking garage in the same building in which you could get picked up by taxi, making it easier to get your shopping bundles home, which was important especially if you had bought a lot of containers and bottles of liquor, juices, bottled water, milk or carbonated beverages, which are heavy. So I shopped in the Billa supermarket and the fancy Rynok at Bessarabska Square when my apartment was located in the area of Arena.
To make things easier, I had my apartment rental company do a pre-arrival grocery shopping for the standard items, including the heavier bottles and containers of drinks I knew I would need, and have it waiting for me in my rented apartment when I arrived. They did this for a small and reasonable fee. So when I arrived I only shopped for the supplemental items I didn't want to leave to them to select, such as the selection of more expensive liquor, etc. One of the important questions I always ask my apartment rental company is the proximity of any suggested apartment to a nearby grocery store or supermarket. I definitely want to avoid coming out of a supermarket laden with heavier shopping bags, and not being able to get a taxi, and then having to walk back to my apartment a distance or uphill, with the bag handles cutting into my hands. Much better to have the apartment rental company stock my apartment in advance. My standard list for the pre-shopping included what I estimated was sufficient bottled still water, carbonated water, Coca Cola light, milk, various juices for drinking or mixing with liquor, and such other standard items I felt I could rely on them to select properly.
I was not at all impressed with the produce selection at Billa supermarket. There must be a higher quality selection of vegetables and fruits somewhere. The Rynok at Bessarabska Square has nice stuff, but very high prices. Does anyone have a recommendation for a supermarket or Rynok (marketplace) that has high quality produce with reasonable prices?
If you have to pick between Kiev, St. Petersburg, or an unknown place like Vladivostok. In the currently market what would be the best choice? Has anyone got Mamba to work out recently?I have been in St. Pete and Kiev. No idea about Vladivostok.
I would prefer Kiev and there is no logic on this just because my hearth says to do that.
I mean you can find cheaper options in St. Pete maybe half price and the girls in St. Pete less familiar with sex tourists. Less sharky.
Better for non mongering activities.
More english speakers.
I just had much more fun in Kiev and it is a more interesting city for me. That is all.
By the way anybody who thinks going to a strip club (RIO) in Kiev, pickup a dancer for $300 for COVERED blowjob is a good deal is a damn fool, you don't have to go all the way to Kiev to pay a stripper $300 for COVERED BLOWJOB.
There is a pimp on this site who is affiliated with RIO who has many user names here and is constantly pimping RIO here, if you're smart you will find much better ways, cost less, much better service. So don't be a fool and listen to this dumb clown.
Unfortunately, yes, my trusted friend in Kiev tells me, that if you cannot mingle in the natives and speak the language, you will be charged in dollars. He was ready to fetch me from Borispol airport for 20 instead of 40 dol, but everyone else, incl. Taxis, girls, hotels, apartment rentals and so on, will charge in dollars or the UAH equivalent, he informed me. If possible, negotiate the price before entering the country, then there is some chance of reality check. But for me, the real problem is the risk. Politics make people tense.If I were you instead of just boycotting I would explain to them why you are boycotting, tell them you have been coming to Kiev for a long time, you are not a tourist, you know how much the locals pay, and you will not pay more than the locals for their services in grivna, if they don't agree, then fuck them.
There was a girl who agreed to meet me for $100 for one hour, after I arrived in Kiev she said $250, I wrote her I have been coming to Kiev for a long time and I will not pay her more than $100 if you dont want to meet its okay... next day she sent me a text massage and agreed $100 for one hour, but in general if meet a girl on my own I would rather pay her in grivna
When I was in Kiev last in October 2014, the supermarket that was downstairs under the mall in Arena building was closed. I used to like that supermarket very much, as there was an entrance to it from the parking garage in the same building in which you could get picked up by taxi, making it easier to get your shopping bundles home, which was important especially if you had bought a lot of containers and bottles of liquor, juices, bottled water, milk or carbonated beverages, which are heavy. So I shopped in the Billa supermarket and the fancy Rynok at Bessarabska Square when my apartment was located in the area of Arena.
To make things easier, I had my apartment rental company do a pre-arrival grocery shopping for the standard items, including the heavier bottles and containers of drinks I knew I would need, and have it waiting for me in my rented apartment when I arrived. They did this for a small and reasonable fee. So when I arrived I only shopped for the supplemental items I didn't want to leave to them to select, such as the selection of more expensive liquor, etc. One of the important questions I always ask my apartment rental company is the proximity of any suggested apartment to a nearby grocery store or supermarket. I definitely want to avoid coming out of a supermarket laden with heavier shopping bags, and not being able to get a taxi, and then having to walk back to my apartment a distance or uphill, with the bag handles cutting into my hands. Much better to have the apartment rental company stock my apartment in advance. My standard list for the pre-shopping included what I estimated was sufficient bottled still water, carbonated water, Coca Cola light, milk, various juices for drinking or mixing with liquor, and such other standard items I felt I could rely on them to select properly.
I was not at all impressed with the produce selection at Billa supermarket. There must be a higher quality selection of vegetables and fruits somewhere. The Rynok at Bessarabska Square has nice stuff, but very high prices. Does anyone have a recommendation for a supermarket or Rynok (marketplace) that has high quality produce with reasonable prices?When in last October were you there in Kiev? I don't remember reading your report.
When I was there from last October 15 to 20, the supermarket in the basement of Arena City was bustling, as if it was just re-opened. It looked certainly different from November 2013 when I went there before last October.
I have been to one huge supermarket in Kiev, something akin to Walmart in the US. I believe it was on Vasylkivska Street within the walking distance from the center, but I'm not 100 % sure.
Which apartment rental company do you use? I use www.kievapts.com
Asking them to stock grocery for me when I arrive is something I would never consider. I guess I'm more on budget. But my apartments are always close to the one under the Arena, so I don't think I need to ask for it.
BTW, just ignore your critics.
When in last October were you there in Kiev? I don't remember reading your report.
When I was there from last October 15 to 20, the supermarket in the basement of Arena City was bustling, as if it was just re-opened. It looked certainly different from November 2013 when I went there before last October.
I have been to one huge supermarket in Kiev, something akin to Walmart in the US. I believe it was on Vasylkivska Street within the walking distance from the center, but I'm not 100 % sure.
Which apartment rental company do you use? I use www.kievapts.com
Asking them to stock grocery for me whenh I arrive is something I would never consider. I guess I'm more on budget. But my apartments are always close to the one under the Arena, so I don't think I need to ask for it.
BTW, just ignore your critics.Sorbonne,
I double checked my records about flight dates, and have a correction to make. It turns out I was in Kiev twice in the latter part of 2014. I had a weekend in Kiev from August 28 to September 1. And I was also there on a stopover October 19 to 21. It is probable that the day I went shopping and found the supermarket downstairs from the Mall in the Arena building closed, was on Friday August 29, as that was for a weekend of a few days for which I needed to do some shopping. The latter stopover in October was too short to require shopping, as I arrived late in my apartment (about 11:30 pm) on Sunday October 19, went to Rio that Sunday night but didn't take anyone out, spent the whole day Monday October 20 and the morning of Tuesday October 21 fucking five mamba girls in my apartment that I knew from prior trips, until I had to leave for the airport to catch my 2 pm flight to Frankfurt. So as I recall now, I didn't see the light of day outside my apartment during that October 19-21 stopover, and did not go shopping during that stopover. So if you saw the supermarket under Arena shopping mall open again, then it is good news. My recollection of that supermarket being closed must be from When I went there on Friday August 29, and ended up shopping at Billa at Bessarabska Square, which is nearby.
I don't always post a trip report, since the information is repetitive, and the newbies don't bother to read the prior posts on the thread anyways. But if some new aspect of mongering comes to light, I would post.
I have used kievapts.com for years. They are great. And Alex would be happy to pre-stock your apartment with some groceries for a small fee, if you don't want to lug the heavy bottles / containers yourself back to your apartment.
I can't wait to get back to Kiev. I hope this current cease fire stabilizes. Maybe I can get there in March. Meanwhile I have been freezing my ass off in NY, and hopping down to Fort Lauderdale for some sun and mongering fun on weekends when I get the chance. As I will be doing this weekend. I got airfare of $86 each way. And there is some very fine Latina pussy available there, about which I've written previously.
I was not at all impressed with the produce selection at Billa supermarket. There must be a higher quality selection of vegetables and fruits somewhere. The Rynok at Bessarabska Square has nice stuff, but very high prices. Does anyone have a recommendation for a supermarket or Rynok (marketplace) that has high quality produce with reasonable prices?Not far away from Bessarabskas. ?
Did you try the supermarket in the Gulliver Center?
It's located in the basement and open all night.
Frisky2015
02-19-15, 10:17
I will be staying in the Hyatt Regency, Kiev next month.
Does anyone know if the hotel has working girls in the lobby / bars, and what is the quality and prices?
I have read that after 23.00 it is difficult to get a girl into your hotel. Is that true?
Any help and advice would be appreciated.
I was not at all impressed with the produce selection at Billa supermarket. There must be a higher quality selection of vegetables and fruits somewhere. The Rynok at Bessarabska Square has nice stuff, but very high prices. Does anyone have a recommendation for a supermarket or Rynok (marketplace) that has high quality produce with reasonable prices?Well, I don't know about the city center, but as anywhere else in the world, huge supermarkets pop up in less dense areas and or the periphery. A quite large one easy to reach from the center is a 8-23 h Novus next to Livobereshna station (red line 3 stations from Arsenalna). Just pass to the other side of the highway, about 300 m. They got a huge selection of local and international products. Also easy to reach by car / taxi.
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LifeSavour
02-19-15, 14:38
Why? There are no regulations in place, so no incentive for a 'black market'.
Beside, it'll be hard to extort more when a currency is already free falling?I was in Kyiv in January. The rate at the airport was around 16, in line I was offered more and the taxi guy on the way into center was offering even more.
Pretty black to me!
LS fed reserve Guy!
I was in Kyiv in January. The rate at the airport was around 16, in line I was offered more and the taxi guy on the way into center was offering even more.
Pretty black to me!
LS fed reserve Guy!My MIL was in Kharkov last week. She was getting 28 per $1 USD even with the actual rate closer to 26. I think the hunger for USD is higher than the official rate at this point.
Rush.
Sorbonne,
I double checked my records about flight dates, and have a correction to make. It turns out I was in Kiev twice in the latter part of 2014. I had a weekend in Kiev from August 28 to September 1. And I was also there on a stopover October 19 to 21. It is probable that the day I went shopping and found the supermarket downstairs from the Mall in the Arena building closed, was on Friday August 29, as that was for a weekend of a few days for which I needed to do some shopping. The latter stopover in October was too short to require shopping, as I arrived late in my apartment (about 11:30 pm) on Sunday October 19, went to Rio that Sunday night but didn't take anyone out, spent the whole day Monday October 20 and the morning of Tuesday October 21 fucking five mamba girls in my apartment that I knew from prior trips, until I had to leave for the airport to catch my 2 pm flight to Frankfurt. So as I recall now, I didn't see the light of day outside my apartment during that October 19-21 stopover, and did not go shopping during that stopover. So if you saw the supermarket under Arena shopping mall open again, then it is good news. My recollection of that supermarket being closed must be from When I went there on Friday August 29, and ended up shopping at Billa at Bessarabska Square, which is nearby.
I don't always post a trip report, since the information is repetitive, and the newbies don't bother to read the prior posts on the thread anyways. But if some new aspect of mongering comes to light, I would post.
I have used kievapts.com for years. They are great. And Alex would be happy to pre-stock your apartment with some groceries for a small fee, if you don't want to lug the heavy bottles / containers yourself back to your apartment.
I can't wait to get back to Kiev. I hope this current cease fire stabilizes. Maybe I can get there in March. Meanwhile I have been freezing my ass off in NY, and hopping down to Fort Lauderdale for some sun and mongering fun on weekends when I get the chance. As I will be doing this weekend. I got airfare of $86 each way. And there is some very fine Latina pussy available there, about which I've written previously.Hmmm, you went to Rio on Oct. 19. That was my last day in Kiev in my October trip, and I was going to Rio, but I got stuck with my girlfriend and we ended up staying in my apt., ordering a Domino's pizza at 2 in the morning. LOL.
I was in Kyiv in January. The rate at the airport was around 16, in line I was offered more and the taxi guy on the way into center was offering even more.
Pretty black to me!
LS fed reserve Guy!Mind to supply numbers instead of 'more' and 'even more'? Mora can be 2 Kopeks per Dollar.
Especially what the rate in city exchange bothers where? Airport exchange isn't exactly known as being good.
H
Mind to supply numbers instead of 'more' and 'even more'? Mora can be 2 Kopeks per Dollar.
Especially what the rate in city exchange bothers where? Airport exchange isn't exactly known as being good.
HGoing to Kiev in 2 weeks. I expect that the rate at the booths will differ about 8% from the ATM. At least such was the case when I was last in Kiev in October. It may be more now. Plus you don't pay transaction fee. Creditcard rates are also bad.
Reiner Otto
02-20-15, 19:02
I have been in St. Pete and Kiev. No idea about Vladivostok.
I mean you can find cheaper options in St. Pete maybe half price and the girls in St. Pete less familiar with sex tourists. Less sharky.
Better for non mongering activities.
More english speakers.
100% Correct. As I lived several years in SPb.
Weather in Kiev is much better, though.
Hmmm, you went to Rio on Oct. 19. That was my last day in Kiev in my October trip, and I was going to Rio, but I got stuck with my girlfriend and we ended up staying in my apt., ordering a Domino's pizza at 2 in the morning. LOL.When I arrived in Kiev late that Sunday night October 19th, after 11:30 pm, it was either go to sleep, or go out to a club just to look around. I had a very full day lined up the next day, with the first mamba girl due to arrive at my apartment at 7:00 am, and the second one at 12:00 noon. So I couldn't bring myself to just go to sleep, as I was excited to be in Kiev. So off to Rio I went, just to have a drink and enjoy looking at some hotties, and have some dances, like I do from time to time back in NYC too.
AColonizer
02-21-15, 18:52
Dear fellow mongers,
How do you research trusty prostitutes in Ukrainian sites such as www.top-modals.com? And what about prices? Could somebody provide some recommended prostitutes from those sites?
It seems there are fewer girls for meeting with foreigners both serious or P4P in mamba site. I remember I easily got dozens of contacts in 2007. Now it seems they are just sharks. How do you behave with them?
I avoid disco clubs for prostitutes.
I say, I am more interested in young girls for travelling. But I am doubting Kiev is not the right town anymore.
4000 grivnas are about 150 dollars for an overnight, therefore the deal should be good. But I am reading in this forum too many people talking about 150 dollars for one hour in some pseudo P4P clubs. I never paid more than 300 dollars for an overnight years ago and I never pay more in next future. So, grivnas prices are just a fraud such as prostitutes in Moscow, or men became more silly than in the past?
Dear fellow mongers,
How do you research trusty prostitutes in Ukrainian sites such as www.top-modals.com? And what about prices? Could somebody provide some recommended prostitutes from those sites?
It seems there are fewer girls for meeting with foreigners both serious or P4P in mamba site. I remember I easily got dozens of contacts in 2007. Now it seems they are just sharks. How do you behave with them?
I avoid disco clubs for prostitutes.
I say, I am more interested in young girls for travelling. But I am doubting Kiev is not the right town anymore.
As to mamba, I've been recently thinking the same thing, too. I'm having more difficulty trying to find girls to meet with in Kiev for freebies than before.
I'd think it should be the total opposite in this political and economic climates in Ukraine today.
Are they now even more determined not to give in to foreigners? What's going on???
I would even personally think that it's "better for Ukrainian hotties to hook up with foreigners" and get out of the country!
Are they now even more determined not to give in to foreigners? What's going on???
I would even personally think that it's "better for Ukrainian hotties to hook up with foreigners" and get out of the country!Most prostitutes in Kiev come from other cities and towns, probably just sitting at home with the low demand. The find a foreigner thing is long gone. Tons of young EE dudes in Western cities with good jobs. If you manage to bring a dev home, she will be plotting her escape from you day one.
Most prostitutes in Kiev come from other cities and towns, probably just sitting at home with the low demand. They find a foreigner thing is long gone. Tons of young EE dudes in Western cities with good jobs. If you manage to bring a dev home, she will be plotting her escape from you day one.I'm not clearly understanding.
Are you saying "Tons of young EE (other East European countries) dudes in western cities (in Ukraine) with good jobs" are available in Kiev, so the prostitues in Kiev are just happy with them?
I was actually talking about regular girls, not prostitutes, on mamba, but are you saying the same goes with regular girls?
But the devaluation of the currency is just a recent thing, and it should be now more difficult for anybody who work for Ukrainian companies (even in western cities) to go abroad for vacation, for example.
A girl (I hope) on mamba says she is willing to come out from Dnipropetrovsk to Kiev and asked me to pay for the trip. I thought she was one of those scam artists, but, to my surprise, she says she'll come out by bus, not by plane, so she just want me to send her money by Western Union for the cost of bus.
What do I make out of this? She just want to pocket a few dollars?
I don't mind her sending a few dollars to see what happens...lol.
A girl (I hope) on mamba says she is willing to come out from Dnipropetrovsk to Kiev and asked me to pay for the trip. I thought she was one of those scam artists, but, to my surprise, she says she'll come out by bus, not by plane, so she just want me to send her money by Western Union for the cost of bus.
What do I make out of this? She just want to pocket a few dollars?
I don't mind her sending a few dollars to see what happens...lol.I am curious too. Had some offers from girls ranging from xarkov to donetsk to marsupial. From 60 to 140 usd.
A girl (I hope) on mamba says she is willing to come out from Dnipropetrovsk to Kiev and asked me to pay for the trip. I thought she was one of those scam artists, but, to my surprise, she says she'll come out by bus, not by plane, so she just want me to send her money by Western Union for the cost of bus.
What do I make out of this? She just want to pocket a few dollars?
I don't mind her sending a few dollars to see what happens...lol.That's how I met my first non pro Mamba Donetsk girl back in 2009 and here we are 6 years later.
Got on mamba and we exchanged nearly 42 PMs and emails and few Phone calls. She even asked a Ukrainian friend of mine on the phone questions about my age, looks etc. At the time I thought she was a Hoe out to get some quick bucks including return fares etc. But our experienced old Kiev hand Irish Lad made me make up my mind on meeting her when he posted that he didn't think she was a pro or some kind of scam.
She didn't mention at the time any money for Trains, Planes, Buses to come down to Kiev and meet me nor did I send her any money beforehand.
Have you been chatting a lot and what do you make out of her photos, age. Hobbies, etc?
You are in the best position to judge the situation.
Anyway here are the fares for Buses.
" To travel by bus in Ukraine is comfortable for short distances but for a longer ride we would recommend train or plane. Buses are in most cases quite old and the roads bumpy.
There are a lot of buses which are going to almost all big cities in Ukraine depart from Metro Station Vokzalnaya. The period between time of departure is from 30 min till 1 hour. "
Central Coach Terminal.
Moskovska ploshad 3, Kiev.
Information: 525 0430.
Tickets: 525 0254.
Destination Price in UAH Duration.
Odessa 130 8 - 10 hours.
Donetsk 160 12 - 14 hours.
Kharkov 110 7 - 8 hours.
Lviv 120 10 hours.
Dnepropetrovsk 110 7 - 8 hours.
http://www.go2kiev.com/view/trains.html
If she wants the money just for the bus fare, then she shouldn't mind how she gets the ticket, Right?
You can play it this way, if you don't want to risk few $$.
Tell her you will arrange to pre-pay her return bus ticket and she can pick it up from her station. This can be arranged from Kiev at the central station. .
Forgot to update on the above which might be useful for someone dealing with similar scammers on mamba.
Spoke to her on the phone, whoever she was, asked her whether the photos are her's?
She replies, of course mine. Then I said ok, no need for a copy of your passport, you just need to go to a named bank there and present yourself as they've now got my email with a copy of your photos. Once they confirm 2 me you are the girl in the photos the money is yours.
She wouldn't play along with my plan, insisted on going to western union to get any money.
And that was the end of Mamba Romance.
Thank You Irish Lad 4 the tips on uploading the photos. LOL. You might be a bit of a Lad and Irish as well, but 4 sure you ain't that Green,"Born In Nigeria ".
Well here are the rest of the Photos sent to me by Mamba Girl.
Summary of Events so far since 22 Dec 12.
Mamba girl. Looking for a Man on her Profile with a Photo with Dark Hair.
I send her a compliment, she replies, she is a hairdresser (Changes the color of her Hair Often ).
, I reply. I never sent her any Photos, just some profile details.
Her Love is now in the emails. Wants to marry and have 1 or 2 kids. .
I play along with it, why not. Getting free Photos and a bit of Hard on all for Free..Of course her photos were fake.
A girl (I hope) on mamba says she is willing to come out from Dnipropetrovsk to Kiev and asked me to pay for the trip. I thought she was one of those scam artists, but, to my surprise, she says she'll come out by bus, not by plane, so she just want me to send her money by Western Union for the cost of bus.
What do I make out of this? She just want to pocket a few dollars?
I don't mind her sending a few dollars to see what happens...lol.We don't know your conversation, but my estimation is that she's genuinely willing to travel to meet you, hoping for some kind of Present when you meet / depart. I've had girls (travel together!) from Sevastopol when I promised them that they could stay three nights with me in Kreshatik apartment. I had met them in Kiev three months earlier, and contacted them again, but it was on their own initiative (and costs) to make this trip. If this girl expects to get some money and accommodation with you, you should trust her. But many girls from the provinces dream about living in metropolitan city like Kiev and would without hesitation use a foreigners innocence to get the travel money.
By the way, my girls in Sevastopol would not travel today as there is a border to cross. And they cannot. Times have changed.
AColonizer
02-22-15, 15:32
Russian people don't like Putin. Now also Western men don't like Putin! I wonder which kind of business Merkel is dealing with Putin in exchange of a slice of Ukraine. Shame on European Union too!
We don't know your conversation, but my estimation is that she's genuinely willing to travel to meet you, hoping for some kind of Present when you meet / depart. I've had girls (travel together!) from Sevastopol when I promised them that they could stay three nights with me in Kreshatik apartment. I had met them in Kiev three months earlier, and contacted them again, but it was on their own initiative (and costs) to make this trip. If this girl expects to get some money and accommodation with you, you should trust her. But many girls from the provinces dream about living in metropolitan city like Kiev and would without hesitation use a foreigners innocence to get the travel money.
By the way, my girls in Sevastopol would not travel today as there is a border to cross. And they cannot. Times have changed.
AColonizer
02-22-15, 15:58
At the last, what is the best method for meeting girls in Kiev, both serious or prostitutes? Or is it better to move to Kharkov, Lvov, Odessa, Sevastopol?
I am curious too. Had some offers from girls ranging from xarkov to donetsk to marsupial. From 60 to 140 usd.This girl is asking for only about 15 USD.
But we haven't even talked much. Or actually I didn't believe her so I stopped talking to her earlier today when she wanted to go on chatting on mamba.
She has not even visited my mamba profile page, LOL.
This girl is so pretty I should not even dream of her coming out to Kiev to see me. She may be using fake photos or who knows what.
I'll see what happens in the next few days. I think I should request chatting on Skype.
Roll Buzz,
"But many girls from the provinces dream about living in metropolitan city like Kiev and would without hesitation use a foreigners innocence to get the travel money."
So you are saying that they come out to Kiev not to see you / me / us, but rather to enjoy the metropolitan city of Kiev?
I guess that's fine with me as long as they stay with me, LOL.
I was there last week. 4000 grivna seems to be the maximum in many ATMs.Thanks for the info! 4000/ day I guess?
I know I am not an avid poster, although I have traveled quite a lot to Ukraine and had a GF there for a long time.
I don't know really about your conversation with this girl, she might be looking to have some fun away in Kiev and be with you. But also you have to keep in mind, the kind of salaries that sometimes some people get, when they have no skills and such. For instance I have seen on vk posts about job offers, 5000 uah a month. How much is that per day? So even 15 USD, is a good days salary for some people in Ukraine. But I hope she is for real, anyway she can get more than those 15 USD, not only in money but a good short vacation in Kiev. Good luck and you should absolutely get her to talk on skype.
I hope I have also some good luck now that I am going to Kiev in March.
This girl is asking for only about 15 USD.
But we haven't even talked much. Or actually I didn't believe her so I stopped talking to her earlier today when she wanted to go on chatting on mamba.
She has not even visited my mamba profile page, LOL.
This girl is so pretty I should not even dream of her coming out to Kiev to see me. She may be using fake photos or who knows what.
I'll see what happens in the next few days. I think I should request chatting on Skype.
This girl is asking for only about 15 USD.
But we haven't even talked much. Or actually I didn't believe her so I stopped talking to her earlier today when she wanted to go on chatting on mamba.
She has not even visited my mamba profile page, LOL.
This girl is so pretty I should not even dream of her coming out to Kiev to see me. She may be using fake photos or who knows what.
I'll see what happens in the next few days. I think I should request chatting on Skype.!5 US $ ain't that much, but if she asks say 10 other guys the same amount or similar, then its nearly !50 bucks. Not bad for few clicks.
Now you say she hasn't even seen your profile, I am willing to bet she is a scammer.
Chatting with her on video skype isn't all that full proof either as she can easily get one of her pretty friends to do the chatting.
A photo I will put her to the test to find out if she is genuine.
I just noticed that Gia escorts has a huge inventory of girls. Probably twice what it was when things were normal. Has this equally translated into more talent at Rio or some other venue?
Jojo,
Thanks for the useful information and warning.
It looks like the first thing for me to do is to ask for a Skype session to see what she looks like.
If she rejects it, then I'll think of the second strategy.
Jojo,
Thanks for the useful information and warning.
It looks like the first thing for me to do is to ask for a Skype session to see what she looks like.
If she rejects it, then I'll think of the second strategy.You know, mamba used to have this video chat attached to the chat window, right? I wonder why they stopped it.
ApolloCreed
02-23-15, 07:55
Hello people!
I have been to Kiev in 2013.
I usually try to meet normal girls in the cities I go (I had a relationship with a Latvian girl for 2 years, and with a Russian girl for a year in the past).
So I tried this in Kiev too! I met a part-time model, who really liked me, but didn't want to have sex from our first meeting. So it was all kissing and touching.
I later invited her to my country and we spent 1 week holidays together. Of course I paid for her ticket and hotels, food etc. We had a great time!
Later when she went back to Kiev she asked me for some money to buy clothes. When I said I will not do that she got angry and said that "I used her", and we stopped talking.
(recently we talked again and she wanted to come again to my country and that maybe "I changed". I told her I can invite her but never give her money and that I don't want to be a sponsor, and she got again angry and said that she never wanted a sponsor, just for me taking care of her. Anyway. We saw things differently.
I also met a girl from Mamba, a cute blondie, which after we agreed to meet she asked me if I can give some money to her because she is in a difficult period, and we will have an amazing time together!
I asked her how much? And she told me "whatever you want". Since I really liked her, I offered her 100 euro, which is much, I know. She came to my apartment and she was shy and surely felt non-professional. Earned every euro from these 100!
(Now I tried to contact her again but she has erased her mamba profile, but also her email account.).
Also, I met another "normal" girl, who was gorgeous in her photos. In reality, she had gained 10+ kilos and was really chubby. We went to DLux, and while I went to the toilet I was wondering how I will get rid of her, but to my surprise, when I went back to the place I left her she was gone! She actually left me! It was a funny situation.
Now, I am coming again to Kiev. I have arranged 2-3 double-dates from mamba (I am coming with a friend) with probably "normal" girls, and got some offers from professional ones.
If things don't go well with our meetings, which is a big probability, where will you advice me to go on a Friday / Saturday night, to find the most beautiful professionals?
To Skybar? Another club? Rio? Another strip club?
Your subjective opinion is really valuable to me.
Thank you all! Keep walking!
NightOwl69
02-23-15, 08:31
I don't mind her sending a few dollars to see what happens...lol.There is another way, you could by her the bus ticket online (http://e-travels.com.ua/en#) she could get the ticket at the bus station. If she insist you send the money not the ticket then you get your answer.
Cheers.
There is another way, you could by her the bus ticket online (http://e-travels.com.ua/en#) she could get the ticket at the bus station. If she insist you send the money not the ticket then you get your answer.
Cheers.Thanks for the suggestion.
Hope a totally different girl won't suddenly show up in Kiev, LOL.
Or she could possibly use the tickets to come to Kiev to see her friends, not me.
So far, this girl rejected the idea of Skype, saying she does not use it.
And then when I asked her to make a certain gesture, take the photo of the gesture and post the photo on mamba (in order for me to confirm I'm talking to the girl in the photos), she also rejected it and got upset, saying, "If you don't believe me, it's not my fault!", lol.
But so far, we are still talking.
ApolloCreed
02-23-15, 12:09
And then when I asked her to make a certain gesture, take the photo of the gesture and post the photo on mamba (in order for me to confirm I'm talking to the girl in the photos), she also rejected it and got upset, saying, "If you don't believe me, it's not my fault!", lol.
But so far, we are still talking.A so pretty girl as you say, wanting to come to you without chatting and getting to know each other, is 99% fake. I think you understand it but you want to hope for the 1%.
And then when I asked her to make a certain gesture, take the photo of the gesture and post the photo on mamba (in order for me to confirm I'm talking to the girl in the photos), she also rejected it and got upset, saying, "If you don't believe me, it's not my fault!", lol.
But so far, we are still talking.Its good to talk. It took me nearly 6 weeks and 42 emails and few phone calls to persuade my first Mamba girl to come down to Kiev and meet me.
My experience with the Mamba scammer whom I posted on below kept up the talk as well for few weeks before she came up with her scam.
It turned out to be a scammer based in Accra, Ghana. I only found out when I insisted on a phone conversation first as she didn't want Video Skye. . The number was for Accra. So I asked her, him, What are you doing in Accra??
A, Holiday and few other words spoken with an African Accent. A hot Blondie as per her Mamba Photos goes on Holiday to Accra and acquires an African Accent after only 2 weeks, LOL.
http://www.scamdigger.com/gallery/
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=accra+Ghana+scams+photo.
All sorts of girls, guys are on Mamba.
Keep her talking.
A so pretty girl as you say, wanting to come to you without chatting and getting to know each other, is 99% fake. I think you understand it but you want to hope for the 1%.Usd15 isn't that much. But if it is a scam and successful, word will spread, you will see a huge increase of such profiles. Thus making it more difficult for us to find real girls.
A so pretty girl as you say, wanting to come to you without chatting and getting to know each other, is 99% fake. I think you understand it but you want to hope for the 1%.
I'm not sure if I'm hoping for 1%, but at this point I'm just playing a game with her and would like to somehow prove that she is a fake.
I'm not sure if I'm hoping for 1%, but at this point I'm just playing a game with her and would like to somehow prove that she is a fake.Ask for her number to hear her voice and Call her bluff and tell her you will go to Dnipropetrovsk?
I'm not sure if I'm hoping for 1%, but at this point I'm just playing a game with her and would like to somehow prove that she is a fake.You must like drama.
ApolloCreed
02-23-15, 19:10
Hello people!
I have been to Kiev in 2013.
I usually try to meet normal girls in the cities I go (I had a relationship with a Latvian girl for 2 years, and with a Russian girl for a year in the past).
So I tried this in Kiev too! I met a part-time model, who really liked me, but didn't want to have sex from our first meeting. So it was all kissing and touching.
I later invited her to my country and we spent 1 week holidays together. Of course I paid for her ticket and hotels, food etc. We had a great time!
Later when she went back to Kiev she asked me for some money to buy clothes. When I said I will not do that she got angry and said that "I used her", and we stopped talking.
(recently we talked again and she wanted to come again to my country and that maybe "I changed". I told her I can invite her but never give her money and that I don't want to be a sponsor, and she got again angry and said that she never wanted a sponsor, just for me taking care of her. Anyway. We saw things differently.
I also met a girl from Mamba, a cute blondie, which after we agreed to meet she asked me if I can give some money to her because she is in a difficult period, and we will have an amazing time together!
I asked her how much? And she told me "whatever you want". Since I really liked her, I offered her 100 euro, which is much, I know. She came to my apartment and she was shy and surely felt non-professional. Earned every euro from these 100...So, guys, to sum up, where will you advice me to go on a Friday / Saturday night, to find the most beautiful professionals?
To Skybar? Another club? Rio? Another strip club?
You must like drama.No, I like comedies.
AColonizer
02-24-15, 17:59
Excuse for my fussiness, but "professionals" is a very wrong word. If you have the fetish idea to fuck a girl who fucks your money, then that's a good idea. Otherwise the method is different. The first rule for a monger is "do not inflate prices" and this rule is true also for very wealthy people. For this reason, disco clubs are a bad option where men lose the composure of evaluation among drinks and songs. I say, I am one of the few mongers who doesn't miss the River Palace except for its nice place.
So, guys, to sum up, where will you advice me to go on a Friday / Saturday night, to find the most beautiful professionals?
To Skybar? Another club? Rio? Another strip club?
This report is a bit late but as they say better late than never. I visit Kiev pretty regularly and have a girlfriend (or 2 or 3) that I see there on a steady basis so I am usually not actively looking for a WG. I found myself in the bar at the Intercon one night when I was alone for a late night snack. As soon as I went in there was a tall, typical Ukraine beauty sitting alone who flashed me a big smile and was obviously on the market. I stay at the Intercon pretty often (albeit usually with company) and this is the first time I have seen a lady alone on the prowl. Many times you will see obvious wg's but they have always been with someone. Anyway, I smiled back and she came over to join me. We had a bit of a chat about the weather etc. And then she asked if I was looking for some company. I politely inquired as to the damage and she quoted USD $400. I explained that while I am not necessarily a cheap Charlie I am also not a newbe to Kiev. We chatted a bit more and I asked if she was there with the hotel's blessing. She told me she would make a contribution to them (not exactly sure to who). To make a short story long she came down to $300 which I declined and then to $250 and finally $200. At this point I said ok, why not. Overall it was disappointing I think because I am used to having a genuine girlfriend. Pretty basic and mechanical. She was a nice girl but waaaay too professional for me. I know better but sometimes the dick wants what the dick wants and experience and judgement seem to disappear. Sorry I don't remember her name, mainly I thought it was interesting she was working that hotel pretty obviously.
To make a short story long she came down to $300 which I declined and then to $250 and finally $200. At this point I said ok, why not. Overall it was disappointing I think because I am used to having a genuine girlfriend. Pretty basic and mechanical. She was a nice girl but waaaay too professional for me. I know better but sometimes the dick wants what the dick wants and experience and judgement seem to disappear. Sorry I don't remember her name, mainly I thought it was interesting she was working that hotel pretty obviously.For a $100, I'll take my chances with any girl I find pretty that agrees to have sex with me in Kiev. For $200 plus, I'd rather stay my home city where I can do my homework and have a good basic idea of how she will perform before the meeting.
Just returned from 5 days in Kiev and wanted to report.
Everything is normal there. Only signs of the war are what looks like soldiers recruiting near Maidan and lots of recruitment posters / billboards.
Got there about 3 days after the currency went to 25 to 1. Exchange places in center were ranging from 24.5 to 25.5. Only exchanged once and brought Hrivnas home. Stores had not yet adjusted to this. Ran into some Germans buying all the Ritter Sport chocolate bars at a market to take home because they were, with the new rate, way cheaper here. I think the prices will have to adjust for the imported things quickly though.
Unfortunately, I had prepaid for a room at the Dnipro Hotel and did so before the currency fell, so didn't get the advantage on that. I found the Hotel fine, though there were the mix of people there on staff that were very helpful and then there were those who did the minimum they could to make you go away. It is very well located in the center and I asked two people at reception about guests and both said bring them on, no problem. I checked the lobby bar when I passed through at night and only once did I see a lady alone. She smiled and waved when I passed, so I stopped to check her out. She spoke English well and asked if I wanted company. She was fairly attractive. For being at least 45 years old. I passed. Did see a few other mongers bringing in girls a couple of times also.
Used Mamba before arriving, sending the following message to girls that either said they were looking for sponsorship, or said they were looking for sex and had an age range that included my 50 years age, "I will be in Kiev (dates) and would like to meet with an English speaking lady. " Was able to set up meetings with the following girls:
Veronika http://www.mamba.ru/mb1104905438?hit=3 Tall, say 5' 10" blonde, nice long lean body, be cup breasts, speaks fairly good English, self taught from internet. She started asking for $70 per hour but came down for longer time periods. I met with her several times and had fun. Does not DFK, does BBBJ. Offered to bring a friend one time. I asked it she was saying her and her friend would have sex and she said yes. I should have done a bit more asking, because it was more like, I will lay there and watch you do my friend and then she will lay there and watch you do me. Nothing like I was hoping for. Her friend was cute 20 year old strawberry blonde, minimal tits. Did DFK, BBBJ. Did not speak English at all.
Inna http://www.mamba.ru/mb949722720?hit=3 Pics are accurate, she writes English very well, and can communicate well in person, but is difficult to understand over the phone. Stick with SMS to make arrangements. I enjoyed being with her and would have repeated, but she flew to Paris the day after we met to meet with someone there. Her rate was $100 for 2-3 hours.
Natasha http://www.mamba.ru/mb1202250928?hit=3 She writes and speaks English well. I actually thought her looks in person were better than her pics. She seems to be squinting in a lot of them. She has really pretty grey eyes and a nice smile. She does the thing about asking what will you give me rather than stating a price, so you can work that however you want. She was enthusiastic with the BBBJ and rode on top like she was in a rodeo. If you are a tit man you might want to pass though. As I mentioned she speaks English well, and she is very talkative, pretty much a chatterbox. I enjoyed the time with her and if I were going to have an extended time would have repeated based on her energy in the sack.
Corresponded with these but never met:
Iren http://www.mamba.ru/mb1268644230?hit=3 Was not sure about her, so never followed through after about 7 messages back and forth.
Marina http://www.mamba.ru/mb1311065849?hit=3 Says she speaks English, but does not. When I asked a price she said $150. I asked if that was for all night and she said yes if I would come to her apartment. Decided to look elsewhere.
I also sent messages to 13 others who I received no reply from.
One interesting encounter, as I was walking past Maidan, going to meet a Mamba girl for dinner, a cute, young brunette came up to me and asked if I spoke English. I said I did and she said she was a university student, and was I from the USA. Yes again. She said she loved learning and collecting things about the US and asked if I had any kind of items like coins that I could give her. I didn't have anything on me and I was on my way to a meeting, but I wish I would have followed up to see if she was on the level there or if it might have led to the intimate encounter with her collecting some American dollars.
Finally on the day before I left I had scheduled a tour for the Chernobyl exclusion zone and it said we would not return to Kiev until 6 pm at the earliest. Figured since I had to get up early the next morning to head to the airport I would be conservative and eat a nice dinner, go back and get packed up and get a good night's sleep. So I didn't make any arrangements for the night. Well. I got to thinking I had to go out to eat anyway, why not go somewhere interesting. Like I mentioned earlier, I'm 50 and not a club or strip club guy any more. That being said, ended up in Rio. Had a nice Japanese dinner, only bad thing they had Asashi beer and I prefer Kirin or Sapporo. Was told about the 200 gr VIP room and said OK. Andrei, the floor manager, explained the workings and prices. Private dances were 400 gr, 2 songs long, and you are allowed to touch the dancer. I did not partake of those. He also said that if I wanted to speak to any of the dancers they would sit in the booth and converse. I could buy them a drink if I wanted and also tip them for their time, again if I wanted. Watched a rotation of maybe 14 different dancers with good variety pass through the stage. One spinner there really worked the pole well, climbing with lots of enthusiasm. I was thinking that might translate into wild monkey sex in bed, so I asked her to sit with me and bought her a juice. Turns out her English was pretty limited and we could not communicate well. I gave her 200 gr. For her time and went back to watching the dancers. The next one that really piqued my interest, I was told she spoke no English. Finally, I spotted another tall lean blonde and she spoke English well. Turns out she was only about 5' 6" without the platform shoes that they wear, but did have the lean dancer type body. 5000 gr and she had to be back by 5 am. As it was only about 10 pm at the time, I was ok with that. Had a very nice time with her. Cannot remember what her "club name" is. She told me her real name and we were using that. By 2:30 am I decided that I really needed to pack and get some sleep, so I let her know. She had been planning to stay longer, but showered up and headed out. Have to say that I found the experience pleasing.
I would have no hesitation about going there now. Yes the war does weigh heavily on everyone's mind, but I never felt any safety concerns, beyond regular precautions in any city. Hope that someone finds this useful.
This report is a bit late but as they say better late than never. I visit Kiev pretty regularly and have a girlfriend (or 2 or 3) that I see there on a steady basis so I am usually not actively looking for a WG. I found myself in the bar at the Intercon one night when I was alone for a late night snack. As soon as I went in there was a tall, typical Ukraine beauty sitting alone who flashed me a big smile and was obviously on the market. I stay at the Intercon pretty often (albeit usually with company) and this is the first time I have seen a lady alone on the prowl. Many times you will see obvious wg's but they have always been with someone. Anyway, I smiled back and she came over to join me. We had a bit of a chat about the weather etc. And then she asked if I was looking for some company. I politely inquired as to the damage and she quoted USD $400. I explained that while I am not necessarily a cheap Charlie I am also not a newbe to Kiev. We chatted a bit more and I asked if she was there with the hotel's blessing. She told me she would make a contribution to them (not exactly sure to who). To make a short story long she came down to $300 which I declined and then to $250 and finally $200. At this point I said ok, why not. Overall it was disappointing I think because I am used to having a genuine girlfriend. Pretty basic and mechanical. She was a nice girl but waaaay too professional for me. I know better but sometimes the dick wants what the dick wants and experience and judgement seem to disappear. Sorry I don't remember her name, mainly I thought it was interesting she was working that hotel pretty obviously.Did she charge 200 $ for a 1 hour sex or was it for the whole night?
ApolloCreed
02-24-15, 23:22
Excuse for my fussiness, but "professionals" is a very wrong word. If you have the fetish idea to fuck a girl who fucks your money, then that's a good idea. Otherwise the method is different. The first rule for a monger is "do not inflate prices" and this rule is true also for very wealthy people. For this reason, disco clubs are a bad option where men lose the composure of evaluation among drinks and songs. I say, I am one of the few mongers who doesn't miss the River Palace except for its nice place.I use this term to distinguish them from semis or normal girls. I think it's a very right word. (no fetishes, at least not this one, though).
As for the clubs danger, I agree. On the other hand I always prefer to see the girl in front of me before, and to have a variety of options. That's why I like clubs and FKKs and not escorts or callgirls.
So which club is gathering the best professionals? Or are they more beautiful in Rio / another strip club??
Just returned from 5 days in Kiev and wanted to report.
Everything is normal there. Only signs of the war are what looks like soldiers recruiting near Maidan and lots of recruitment posters / billboards.
Got there about 3 days after the currency went to 25 to 1. Exchange places in center were ranging from 24.5 to 25.5. Only exchanged once and brought Hrivnas home. Stores had not yet adjusted to this. Ran into some Germans buying all the Ritter Sport chocolate bars at a market to take home because they were, with the new rate, way cheaper here. I think the prices will have to adjust for the imported things quickly though.
Unfortunately, I had prepaid for a room at the Dnipro Hotel and did so before the currency fell, so didn't get the advantage on that. I found the Hotel fine, though there were the mix of people there on staff that were very helpful and then there were those who did the minimum they could to make you go away. It is very well located in the center and I asked two people at reception about guests and both said bring them on, no problem. I checked the lobby bar when I passed through at night and only once did I see a lady alone. She smiled and waved when I passed, so I stopped to check her out. She spoke English well and asked if I wanted company. She was fairly attractive. For being at least 45 years old. I passed. Did see a few other mongers bringing in girls a couple of times also.
Used Mamba before arriving, sending the following message to girls that either said they were looking for sponsorship, or said they were looking for sex and had an age range that included my 50 years age, "I will be in Kiev (dates) and would like to meet with an English speaking lady. " Was able to set up meetings with the following girls:
Veronika http://www.mamba.ru/mb1104905438?hit=3 Tall, say 5' 10" blonde, nice long lean body, be cup breasts, speaks fairly good English, self taught from internet. She started asking for $70 per hour but came down for longer time periods. I met with her several times and had fun. Does not DFK, does BBBJ. Offered to bring a friend one time. I asked it she was saying her and her friend would have sex and she said yes. I should have done a bit more asking, because it was more like, I will lay there and watch you do my friend and then she will lay there and watch you do me. Nothing like I was hoping for. Her friend was cute 20 year old strawberry blonde, minimal tits. Did DFK, BBBJ. Did not speak English at all.
Inna http://www.mamba.ru/mb949722720?hit=3 Pics are accurate, she writes English very well, and can communicate well in person, but is difficult to understand over the phone. Stick with SMS to make arrangements. I enjoyed being with her and would have repeated, but she flew to Paris the day after we met to meet with someone there. Her rate was $100 for 2-3 hours.
Natasha http://www.mamba.ru/mb1202250928?hit=3 She writes and speaks English well. I actually thought her looks in person were better than her pics. She seems to be squinting in a lot of them. She has really pretty grey eyes and a nice smile. She does the thing about asking what will you give me rather than stating a price, so you can work that however you want. She was enthusiastic with the BBBJ and rode on top like she was in a rodeo. If you are a tit man you might want to pass though. As I mentioned she speaks English well, and she is very talkative, pretty much a chatterbox. I enjoyed the time with her and if I were going to have an extended time would have repeated based on her energy in the sack.
Corresponded with these but never met:
Iren http://www.mamba.ru/mb1268644230?hit=3 Was not sure about her, so never followed through after about 7 messages back and forth.
Marina http://www.mamba.ru/mb1311065849?hit=3 Says she speaks English, but does not. When I asked a price she said $150. I asked if that was for all night and she said yes if I would come to her apartment. Decided to look elsewhere.
I also sent messages to 13 others who I received no reply from.
One interesting encounter, as I was walking past Maidan, going to meet a Mamba girl for dinner, a cute, young brunette came up to me and asked if I spoke English. I said I did and she said she was a university student, and was I from the USA. Yes again. She said she loved learning and collecting things about the US and asked if I had any kind of items like coins that I could give her. I didn't have anything on me and I was on my way to a meeting, but I wish I would have followed up to see if she was on the level there or if it might have led to the intimate encounter with her collecting some American dollars.
Finally on the day before I left I had scheduled a tour for the Chernobyl exclusion zone and it said we would not return to Kiev until 6 pm at the earliest. Figured since I had to get up early the next morning to head to the airport I would be conservative and eat a nice dinner, go back and get packed up and get a good night's sleep. So I didn't make any arrangements for the night. Well. I got to thinking I had to go out to eat anyway, why not go somewhere interesting. Like I mentioned earlier, I'm 50 and not a club or strip club guy any more. That being said, ended up in Rio. Had a nice Japanese dinner, only bad thing they had Asashi beer and I prefer Kirin or Sapporo. Was told about the 200 gr VIP room and said OK. Andrei, the floor manager, explained the workings and prices. Private dances were 400 gr, 2 songs long, and you are allowed to touch the dancer. I did not partake of those. He also said that if I wanted to speak to any of the dancers they would sit in the booth and converse. I could buy them a drink if I wanted and also tip them for their time, again if I wanted. Watched a rotation of maybe 14 different dancers with good variety pass through the stage. One spinner there really worked the pole well, climbing with lots of enthusiasm. I was thinking that might translate into wild monkey sex in bed, so I asked her to sit with me and bought her a juice. Turns out her English was pretty limited and we could not communicate well. I gave her 200 gr. For her time and went back to watching the dancers. The next one that really piqued my interest, I was told she spoke no English. Finally, I spotted another tall lean blonde and she spoke English well. Turns out she was only about 5' 6" without the platform shoes that they wear, but did have the lean dancer type body. 5000 gr and she had to be back by 5 am. As it was only about 10 pm at the time, I was ok with that. Had a very nice time with her. Cannot remember what her "club name" is. She told me her real name and we were using that. By 2:30 am I decided that I really needed to pack and get some sleep, so I let her know. She had been planning to stay longer, but showered up and headed out. Have to say that I found the experience pleasing.
I would have no hesitation about going there now. Yes the war does weigh heavily on everyone's mind, but I never felt any safety concerns, beyond regular precautions in any city. Hope that someone finds this useful.5000 Hryvnia for 6 1/2 hours from 10:30 to 5:00? Wow, it does seem war weighs heavily.
HarryDubois
02-25-15, 13:49
I'm American, divorced, 54 and live in New York and I wonder if now might be a good time to visit Ukraine, due to the war.
Are far fewer Western men in Ukraine compared to 18 months ago?
Are far more Ukrainian women desperate to emigrate to the West compared to 18 months ago?
Hi George:
She stayed a couple of hours. Would have stayed longer but to be honest I was a bit bored and sent her off.
Did she charge 200 $ for a 1 hour sex or was it for the whole night?
Hello guys,
I have this girl who has agreed to meet me, and when asked about how much. She answered, "for me, only gifts".
What does that mean? One perfume, is that enough for couple of hours meeting?
Any experienced guys in here with this, how do you do this?
Thanks in advance.
I have been to Kiev many times, but never visited a stripclub. Never visited a stripclub anywhere actually. I know it has been mentioned several times before, but could somebody who has visited a Kiev stripclub give advice regarding rates, customs and other tips about stripclub and strippers?
Hello guys,
I have this girl who has agreed to meet me, and when asked about how much. She answered, "for me, only gifts".
What does that mean? One perfume, is that enough for couple of hours meeting?
Any experienced guys in here with this, how do you do this?
Thanks in advance.Just a more subtle way to say cash.
Just a more subtle way to say cash.Hmm, but I did asked her how much and that was her reply.
She obviously has the "I-am-not-a-working girl" syndrom. But she wants you to decide the amount that she will get. Don't try to change that, she might turn out to be nice girl-friend-date. We usually tip them more than professionals. And she probably knows this, too.
Hmm, but I did asked her how much and that was her reply.
She obviously has the "I-am-not-a-working girl" syndrom. But she wants you to decide the amount that she will get. Don't try to change that, she might turn out to be nice girl-friend-date. We usually tip them more than professionals. And she probably knows this, too.I have met that type "not-a-working-girl" before, but even then once I ask how much, they are very quick to quote their fee.
But, that's a great advice, thank you Roll Buzz, I'll see how it goes.
Some people are panicking and stocking up on food staples because of the rapidly devaluating hryvnia, Ukraine's national currency. This was the scene at Silpo on 87 Prospect Pobedy, on Feb. 25 as people bought large quantities of sugar, flour and buckwheat in the expectation of more devaluation and inflation ahead.
http://www.kyivpost.com/media/images/2015/02/26/p19f3sptu11lho1cmi1cfu02m5k4/original_big.jpg
We usually tip them more than professionals. And she probably knows this, too.True. The smart ones through out girlfriend teasers like future travel together, all for a nice tip as you send them off.
I am reading here people paying in Kiev prices like 100 euro or 150 euro or more.
Are you people completely out of touch with reality?
You are ruining it for us all!
Prices in Romania have fallen to 20 euro!
Prices in rich Austria are currently 30 to 50 euro!
Prices in rich Germany are currently 30 to 50 euro!
Ukraine is a war country! It is in a terrible financial crisis with the currency losing half its value again!
Why are you giving these girls euros or dollars? Pay them in their currency!
If you give her 100 euro you are giving her two Ukrainian monthly salaries for one fuck!
Incredible. Ukraine is now in a civil war and prices have gone up instead of down because it is being flooded by idiots.
Why are you going to Kiev if you can pay 100 euro! You get it much cheaper in Romania and even in Germany and Austria!
In Austria prostitution is legal and you get it all safe and with mandatory health checks for 50 euro!
I am reading here people paying in Kiev prices like 100 euro or 150 euro or more.
Are you people completely out of touch with reality?
You are ruining it for us all!
Prices in Romania have fallen to 20 euro!
Prices in rich Austria are currently 30 to 50 euro!
Prices in rich Germany are currently 30 to 50 euro!
Ukraine is a war country! It is in a terrible financial crisis with the currency losing half its value again!
Why are you giving these girls euros or dollars? Pay them in their currency!
If you give her 100 euro you are giving her two Ukrainian monthly salaries for one fuck!
Incredible. Ukraine is now in a civil war and prices have gone up instead of down because it is being flooded by idiots.
Why are you going to Kiev if you can pay 100 euro! You get it much cheaper in Romania and even in Germany and Austria!
In Austria prostitution is legal and you get it all safe and with mandatory health checks for 50 euro!I hear ya, but you are taking it out of context. The 30 to 50 euros you speak of usually refers to a quick conjugal action with a hard prostitute. In Kiev, I would expect for my $100 a girlfriend experience with a semipro that hangs around my apartment for an hour or two. As to the currency, it's just too volatile.
One post here and you're bitching that we are ruining the market for you. Why don't you put up some reviews of some of the girls you see in Kiev. As far as 30 to 50 Euro in Germany, that is for 30 minutes. I've seen some of the 30 Euro girls and wouldn't take them if you paid me. Typically in Kiev when I have paid $200 it is for a beautiful girl who gives total GFE and spends the entire night, it doesn't trouble me at all if that bothers you. I am happy to do it.
I'm not sure if you are a local or not (ie. The lack of any other posts or reviews) but prices automatically go up for a foreigner. Try to take a taxi when they know you are not local, the price goes up 3 or 4 times.
I am reading here people paying in Kiev prices like 100 euro or 150 euro or more.
Are you people completely out of touch with reality?
You are ruining it for us all!
Prices in Romania have fallen to 20 euro!
Prices in rich Austria are currently 30 to 50 euro!
Prices in rich Germany are currently 30 to 50 euro!
Ukraine is a war country! It is in a terrible financial crisis with the currency losing half its value again!
Why are you giving these girls euros or dollars? Pay them in their currency!
If you give her 100 euro you are giving her two Ukrainian monthly salaries for one fuck!
Incredible. Ukraine is now in a civil war and prices have gone up instead of down because it is being flooded by idiots.
Why are you going to Kiev if you can pay 100 euro! You get it much cheaper in Romania and even in Germany and Austria!
In Austria prostitution is legal and you get it all safe and with mandatory health checks for 50 euro!
AColonizer
02-27-15, 20:40
OK, Austria and Germany are not famous for the quality, and the honesty too, but prices don't depend on the quality of the sex provider but prices depend on the business ability, and a lot of luck, of each customer.
Moreover it is sure most men don't know what is a real girlfriend: in fact they come from Western countries, they can't know what is a real woman and therefore they can't ask a GFE experience.
In my experienced opinion, 100 $ is a honest rate for everything in my mind, at least two hours, from unprotected mouth-pussy-ass to deep anal fisting: everything is everything! I admit this is not always possible but this is a fault of the customer because a prostitute is always ready at everything!
I hear ya, but you are taking it out of context. The 30 to 50 euros you speak of usually refers to a quick conjugal action with a hard prostitute. In Kiev, I would expect for my $100 a girlfriend experience with a semipro that hangs around my apartment for an hour or two. As to the currency, it's just too volatile.
There have been some talks abour this lately, but I would like to have it clarified.
What is the best way to get the Ukrainan Hryvnia in Kiev today?
I usually just use my US bank / cash / debit card to withdraw Hryvnia at ATMs, which I believe typically offers the best rate.
Is there drawback to use this method in the current rapidly changing rate?
Is it better to bring a lot of cash and have it exchanged at banks or at currency exchange, if not from street hustlers?
Thanks.
There have been some talks abour this lately, but I would like to have it clarified.
What is the best way to get the Ukrainan Hryvnia in Kiev today?
I usually just use my US bank / cash / debit card to withdraw Hryvnia at ATMs, which I believe typically offers the best rate.
Is there drawback to use this method in the current rapidly changing rate?
Is it better to bring a lot of cash and have it exchanged at banks or at currency exchange, if not from street hustlers?
Thanks.Right now the very best way is cash and at the currency exchange booths. These booths give you the best rate and you should shop around. They post their rates by the kiosk, the best rates are in the center of the city. Bank rates are much lower since they must stay close of the Central Bank / Interbank rate so I would not advise using it. The same now goes for credit and bank cards. Their rates are set by your bank and they will use the much lower Central Bank / Interbank rate as well and may charge an additional fee for the service, depending on your bank.
Do not use street hustlers, unless you truly want to lose your money. They are experts in scamming, you are not, not matter how smart and careful you think you are. They are better.
As for me, I have, over the years, developed relationships with local small merchants. They are in desperate and critical need of dollars to pay for their imported goods, even if those goods are coming in from other post-Soviet states. Whenever I need grivnas, I go to one of them and negotiate the so-called black market rate which they are all too happy to pay for immediate access to dollars. Since I am a regular customer, I have fewer concerns about any scams but I do count and check the money when I leave. Unless you know your counterpart well, stick with the exchange kiosks.
Right now the very best way is cash and at the currency exchange booths. These booths give you the best rate and you should shop around. They post their rates by the kiosk, the best rates are in the center of the city. Bank rates are much lower since they must stay close of the Central Bank / Interbank rate so I would not advise using it. The same now goes for credit and bank cards. Their rates are set by your bank and they will use the much lower Central Bank / Interbank rate as well and may charge an additional fee for the service, depending on your bank.
Do not use street hustlers, unless you truly want to lose your money. They are experts in scamming, you are not, not matter how smart and careful you think you are. They are better.
As for me, I have, over the years, developed relationships with local small merchants. They are in desperate and critical need of dollars to pay for their imported goods, even if those goods are coming in from other post-Soviet states. Whenever I need grivnas, I go to one of them and negotiate the so-called black market rate which they are all too happy to pay for immediate access to dollars. Since I am a regular customer, I have fewer concerns about any scams but I do count and check the money when I leave. Unless you know your counterpart well, stick with the exchange kiosks.
Thanks. I will try to bring in as much cash as I can in March, but I have no experience in it, as I have always tried to bring in as little cash as possible and withdraw from ARMs.
BTW, I have long been using citibank gold checking, which waves foreign transaction fee and fee for using other ATMs than citibanks.
ApolloCreed
03-01-15, 05:51
If things don't go well with our meetings, which is a big probability, where will you advice me to go on a Friday / Saturday night, to find the most beautiful professionals?
To Skybar? Another club? Rio? Another strip club?
Your subjective opinion is really valuable to me.
Thank you all! Keep walking!Nobody seems to care about answering me.
Which club has the most and the prettiest girls to take home?
Thank you. Still hoping that someone cares to answer.
CastOnThis
03-01-15, 12:57
Nobody seems to care about answering me.
Which club has the most and the prettiest girls to take home?
Thank you. Still hoping that someone cares to answer.There are several problems with your question. For one, most guys use online services to get their girl. Second, most guys visit Rio as their top pick for getting a WG. That said, Rio has never appealed to me. For me the best talent is to go look for yourself and see for where girls are the most attractive. I use to like the strip club in Dnipro back in 2010, it had the most attractive girls imaginable. Fast forward 2013 an the majority are ugly. Arena stars cabaret has some pretty good talent, and so does paradise cabaret. The last one is mostly a place where the girls try to sell you drinks, but don't be stupid and don't buy them anything. And if you can stomach being in a very opulent hotel then go to there. Other than that, most strippers I would not pay for the price they demand and they demand a lot of money. Which is silly when they are actually losing more business by pricing themselves out cause they want to have a Western lifestyle but don't get it that they are in Ukraine, not London. So yeah if you go take a girl to a private lap dance and see how far she let's you touch her. And then ask later, after work if she can go out with you and what her price is. Be careful cause some of them are not any cheaper then during working hours and some are vastly more expensive.
Hi there,
I lived and worked in Kiev for over more then 10 years. I can give you just 1 simple advice. Do not go to clubs to catch the girls. Its useless and you pay prices which shock your pocket.
The old fashioned way, the best way, is simply walk on the street in center, visit some coffee bars, or restaurants, and you will see how quickly you catch one.
I used to walk inside a cafe, just sit relaxed down, and you feel very quickly eyes staring at you, make a contact, and you are in the game.
I never used any nightclub. Many years ago we had on the river, the boat Riverpalast, that was place nr 1 to pick up the ladies. But when it dissapeared, it all moved to Buddha Bar and other equivalent places, where the ladies can eat their daily sushi.
So. Jump on the street, walk around, pretend you are a stupid tourist, and soon for sure a lady comes up to you, with the old fashioned trick. Asking what time it is. And when you answer.
She for sure will tell you that she has some time left! Contact made and up you go. Its silly, but 1 week ago, I was back in Kiev, and the tricks are still the same.
I hope this solved your question, and saved you a lot of money. Less money, means more sex.
Best regards.
Nobody seems to care about answering me.
Which club has the most and the prettiest girls to take home?
Thank you. Still hoping that someone cares to answer.
Same here almost. I am a little younger. One internet girlfriend told me that in Kiev, away form the war zone, there are protests, people are angry, and embassies tend to be busy with foreigners getting their documents in order before leaving. Maybe it is really not safe for foreigners. Maybe the anti-foreigner sentiment is a little stronger, specially if one is going there to "party".
Anyone on the ground care to comment? By the way, I have been there several times over the past 10 years, if that matters.
I'm American, divorced, 54 and live in New York and I wonder if now might be a good time to visit Ukraine, due to the war.
Are far fewer Western men in Ukraine compared to 18 months ago?
Are far more Ukrainian women desperate to emigrate to the West compared to 18 months ago?
Hi there,
I lived and worked in Kiev for over more then 10 years. I can give you just 1 simple advice. Do not go to clubs to catch the girls. Its useless and you pay prices which shock your pocket.
The old fashioned way, the best way, is simply walk on the street in center, visit some coffee bars, or restaurants, and you will see how quickly you catch one.
I used to walk inside a cafe, just sit relaxed down, and you feel very quickly eyes staring at you, make a contact, and you are in the game.
I never used any nightclub. Many years ago we had on the river, the boat Riverpalast, that was place nr 1 to pick up the ladies. But when it dissapeared, it all moved to Buddha Bar and other equivalent places, where the ladies can eat their daily sushi.
So. Jump on the street, walk around, pretend you are a stupid tourist, and soon for sure a lady comes up to you, with the old fashioned trick. Asking what time it is. And when you answer.
She for sure will tell you that she has some time left! Contact made and up you go. Its silly, but 1 week ago, I was back in Kiev, and the tricks are still the same.
I hope this solved your question, and saved you a lot of money. Less money, means more sex.
Best regards.I agree with you. But which places / cafés do you recommend are active now and the current prices and services offered. I used to go to Mc Donalds but not sure if this place is a good location now for young students looking for some extra money.
Thanks for your updated feedback.
ApolloCreed
03-02-15, 05:21
Thank you Castonthis and Bobo2013 for your suggestions!
But let's say it's Saturday night, and I want to go to the club with the most and prettiest "girls". Which one would that be?
Also I have contacted some girls with mamba, and agreed on meeting. Some didn't ask for any money. Could they be normal simple girls who look for some kind of relationship with a foreign guy?
Or that's naive, and they will ask for money till or at the meeting? What do you think people?
(I am late 30's, medium to good looking, and I have contacted girls in vk before, in Russia, Latvia, and even Ukraine once, with not bad success. In Ukraine, I met a beautiful tall girl 2 years ago.
Having holidays together without paying her any direct money but only the ticket and expenses. I understand Mamba is a different story).
Thank you!
Same here almost. I am a little younger. One internet girlfriend told me that in Kiev, away form the war zone, there are protests, people are angry, and embassies tend to be busy with foreigners getting their documents in order before leaving. Maybe it is really not safe for foreigners. Maybe the anti-foreigner sentiment is a little stronger, specially if one is going there to "party".Just spent five days in Kiev. I did not see any protests during that time. There are memorials and candles and such at Maidan, Independence Square, but it was very peaceful. I never felt any type of anger directed towards me while there. While I try not to stick out while visiting other countries, I only speak English, so it comes out eventually that I'm not "from around there. " Again, I never got any bad vibes about being a foreigner.
As far as the going out to party, I only went out one night to Rio, and sat in the VIP room there, with at least two other tables of what I pegged to be "foreigners", so have no idea what things in clubs, discos, etc might be like. My strong suspicion would be that the girls you will be trying to meet will not let any kind of politics get in the way of their goal, whether it is to get some financial remuneration from you, or if the the goal is a ticket out of Ukraine I would bet that their incentive is even stronger to work harder toward that goal.
All that being said, could you be in a bar / club and run into some drunk local guy who would like any excuse to blame you for whatever problems he might be having? Sure. Could it happen anywhere? Again, sure. Has happened to me in London and, of all places, Tokyo.
Bottom line, if I had the time off work, I'd be on a plane back there in a heart beat.
CastOnThis
03-02-15, 15:26
Thank you Castonthis and Bobo2013 for your suggestions!
But let's say it's Saturday night, and I want to go to the club with the most and prettiest "girls". Which one would that be?
Also I have contacted some girls with mamba, and agreed on meeting. Some didn't ask for any money. Could they be normal simple girls who look for some kind of relationship with a foreign guy?
Or that's naive, and they will ask for money till or at the meeting? What do you think people?
(I am late 30's, medium to good looking, and I have contacted girls in vk before, in Russia, Latvia, and even Ukraine once, with not bad success. In Ukraine, I met a beautiful tall girl 2 years ago.
Having holidays together without paying her any direct money but only the ticket and expenses. I understand Mamba is a different story).
Thank you!Prettiest girls at a club? What like a dance club or strip club? Honestly remember the thing about women is they only think in $$ So if you want to find the "prettiest" girls at a club. Either go to where the money is or where university girls who haven't figured out money is sexy go.
A lot of Ukrainian girls will ride you till the end they won't admit what they were up to. Just remember to bandage it up, with any girl regardless of how much you trust her. Most are liars and malefide.
Seems like we are dealing with the same girls on Mamba. I am thinking to meet Natasha or Inna these days in Kiew, for an overnight. Whom would you recommend?
And thanks for the great report.
H
Just returned from 5 days in Kiev and wanted to report.
Everything is normal there. Only signs of the war are what looks like soldiers recruiting near Maidan and lots of recruitment posters / billboards.
Got there about 3 days after the currency went to 25 to 1. Exchange places in center were ranging from 24.5 to 25.5. Only exchanged once and brought Hrivnas home. Stores had not yet adjusted to this. Ran into some Germans buying all the Ritter Sport chocolate bars at a market to take home because they were, with the new rate, way cheaper here. I think the prices will have to adjust for the imported things quickly though.
Unfortunately, I had prepaid for a room at the Dnipro Hotel and did so before the currency fell, so didn't get the advantage on that. I found the Hotel fine, though there were the mix of people there on staff that were very helpful and then there were those who did the minimum they could to make you go away. It is very well located in the center and I asked two people at reception about guests and both said bring them on, no problem. I checked the lobby bar when I passed through at night and only once did I see a lady alone. She smiled and waved when I passed, so I stopped to check her out. She spoke English well and asked if I wanted company. She was fairly attractive. For being at least 45 years old. I passed. Did see a few other mongers bringing in girls a couple of times also.
Used Mamba before arriving, sending the following message to girls that either said they were looking for sponsorship, or said they were looking for sex and had an age range that included my 50 years age, "I will be in Kiev (dates) and would like to meet with an English speaking lady. " Was able to set up meetings with the following girls:..
Looking at a Google search for hotels in Kiev I have found many hotels for less than 50 us a night. Is this a scam.
NightOwl69
03-03-15, 10:32
Looking at a Google search for hotels in Kiev I have found many hotels for less than 50 us a night. Is this a scam.No its not a scam in most cases. Well it actually depend on where you are booking, I mean what site. I have booked with expidea and booking.com for my next trips l. The price I got was in UAH 1200- 1800 (45 to 65 usd) for a suite at a 4* hotel. I think most of the hotel are still priced in UAH and due to curancy setuation it's cheaper in USD.
Seems like we are dealing with the same girls on Mamba. I am thinking to meet Natasha or Inna these days in Kiew, for an overnight. Whom would you recommend?
And thanks for the great report.
HI do not know what your time constraints are, but I would meet each for 2 hours and then make a decision for longer time off of that.
If that is not possible some things to consider: Natasha has a full time job and can only meet evenings or weekends. She speaks better English of the two. There will be no long silent periods because she is a chatterbox. I enjoyed talking to her, or maybe more accurately listening to her.
Inna has a better body. Does not speak English as well and is a little bit shyer in conversation, so you will have to work a bit harder on that. I'm pretty sure that she does not have a "day job" but also think that she is more in demand and you will have more competition on her time.
If you are thinking of taking either out for dinner or anything let them know. Natasha came over from work and was wearing a very nice dress, but Inna came wearing torn jeans and a casual top, but I have no doubt she can dress up if you want her too. She is well traveled.
Both were good service in bed, of course YMMV. I would meet either again.
Hope you have a great time!
Looking at a Google search for hotels in Kiev I have found many hotels for less than 50 us a night. Is this a scam.No I used booking.com no problem. The exchange rate + winter season + lack of tourism due to war concerns are all factors. You can check Trip Advisor for hotel reviews also.
Looking at a Google search for hotels in Kiev I have found many hotels for less than 50 us a night. Is this a scam.I used booking.com for mine. Not a scam. Combine the exchange rate, it's winter and fear of war keeping people away, you will see really low prices.
Seems like we are dealing with the same girls on Mamba. I am thinking to meet Natasha or Inna these days in Kiew, for an overnight. Whom would you recommend?
And thanks for the great report.
HI'm not sure what your time constraints are, but I would recommend booking each for 2 hours and then judging from that.
If that is not an option, a couple of things to consider. Natasha has a day job, so can only meet evening and weekends. She speaks the better English of the two ladies and there will be no long silent gaps in the conversation as she is a chatterbox. And it is by no means just inane babbling, she is conversant on things.
Inna has the better body. She does not speak English as well and she is a bit more restrained in conversation. She is pretty well traveled though, so that's a good way to keep the conversation going. Inna seemed to be more in demand as far as her schedule.
I enjoyed my time with both, found both pleasurable in the bedroom and I would repeat with both ladies. Good luck!
YellowPaul
03-04-15, 22:14
Guys.
Can anybody confirm the costs in local currency has not increased much?
I'm very tempted to come back to Kiev only due the cheaper prices for April / May with the warmer weather.
Hopefully it will come up to 30 to 1 US or more by then.
PY.
Guys.
Can anybody confirm the costs in local currency has not increased much?
I'm very tempted to come back to Kiev only due the cheaper prices for April / May with the warmer weather.
Hopefully it will come up to 30 to 1 US or more by then.
PY.I was there 2 weeks ago immediately after their Finance Minister decided they couldn't keep propping up the hyvernia. At that time the prices had not adjusted. I'm no economist, but common sense says that prices for imported goods will have to adjust rapidly. As I previously stated, I ran into some folks from Germany in a supermarket buying up all of a type of German chocolate bar to take home with them since with the exchange rate, the bars were way cheaper than what they could buy in Germany. So you know the next time the supermarket chain goes to import those, they are going to have to adjust the price to compensate for the exchange rate.
The question will be, will prices for non-imported good and also local services rise along with the prices of imported goods? And will it happen in the time frame that would affect your trip?
It would be great information if someone who is there long term could keep the forum apprised on this.
AColonizer
03-05-15, 17:06
Hey fellows,
We are here to talk about girls!
Thanks a lot for your precise reply, helped me a lot.
Take care.
H
I'm not sure what your time constraints are, but I would recommend booking each for 2 hours and then judging from that.
If that is not an option, a couple of things to consider. Natasha has a day job, so can only meet evening and weekends. She speaks the better English of the two ladies and there will be no long silent gaps in the conversation as she is a chatterbox. And it is by no means just inane babbling, she is conversant on things.
Inna has the better body. She does not speak English as well and she is a bit more restrained in conversation. She is pretty well traveled though, so that's a good way to keep the conversation going. Inna seemed to be more in demand as far as her schedule.
I enjoyed my time with both, found both pleasurable in the bedroom and I would repeat with both ladies. Good luck!
Jeeez, as you all know, Hryvnia is boincing back fast!
I'll be in Kiev in two days and didn't think about this, but I guess I could have bought Hryvnia before going to Ukraine when it was cheeper. The rate chart remained horizontal (at the bottom) for a few days after the Ukraknkan troops moved out of the besieged town, effectively completing the ceasefire. So I knew it was about to bounce back.
I'm not sure how much I would save, but I might try to buy some tomorrow. It may be somewhat difficult to buy Hryvnia outside Ukraine, but I'm currently in Hungary, so it may be possible. I remember once I exchanged Hryvnia to British Sterling at Hearhrow, so it may also be possible to buy Hryvnia in the UK.
Jeeez, as you all know, Hryvnia is boincing back fast!
I'll be in Kiev in two days and didn't think about this, but I guess I could have bought Hryvnia before going to Ukraine when it was cheeper. The rate chart remained horizontal (at the bottom) for a few days after the Ukraknkan troops moved out of the besieged town, effectively completing the ceasefire. So I knew it was about to bounce back.
I'm not sure how much I would save, but I might try to buy some tomorrow. It may be somewhat difficult to buy Hryvnia outside Ukraine, but I'm currently in Hungary, so it may be possible. I remember once I exchanged Hryvnia to British Sterling at Hearhrow, so it may also be possible to buy Hryvnia in the UK.You get better rates in Kiev from guys who run Poker games there. Much better than anywhere else.
Check on Poker sessions with the concierge or security guys at any 4 or 5 star hotels.
You get better rates in Kiev from guys who run Poker games there. Much better than anywhere else.
Check on Poker sessions with the concierge or security guys at any 4 or 5 star hotels.The link didn't come up in my post. http://www.hotel-khreschatyk.kiev.ua/en/poker-club.
Haven't been there this year. I had very good rates arranged through one of the bar guys there.
Winners with good hands were very keen to exhange Hryvenias for $$ at much better rates.
The link didn't come up in my post. http://www.hotel-khreschatyk.kiev.ua/en/poker-club.
Haven't been there this year. I had very good rates arranged through one of the bar guys there.
Winners with good hands were very keen to exhange Hryvenias for $$ at much better rates.I've been out of the US for 5 months and in Germany for those months, so I'm totally out of USD and have only Euros in cash.
I could not buy Hryvnia in Budapest today.
Once I get to Kiev, my options are either to exchange Euros to Hryvnia in cash or to withdraw Hryvnia from my US bank at ATMs.
I am trying to meet girls through Elena's modes personals website. Will report back and let you know how it went. Looks promising so far. Anyone else tried it too?
GoldenGate
03-07-15, 12:22
No its not a scam in most cases. Well it actually depend on where you are booking, I mean what site. I have booked with expidea and booking.com for my next trips l. The price I got was in UAH 1200- 1800 (45 to 65 usd) for a suite at a 4* hotel. I think most of the hotel are still priced in UAH and due to curancy setuation it's cheaper in USD.Hi,
The best is to use http://www.dobovo.com for stay no problem with security, and the girls are more relaxed in apartment, The change all the prices from $ to € but a small change in price.
HIRVINA best is to use BNP Paribas the cash machines under maidan, the are normally full with cash, if lucky you can get 20000, and you also get the best rates.
I'm going back to Kiev in eastern for some weeks again, bin living in Kiev for many years.
ILikeCoffee
03-07-15, 13:54
I am also in Kiev and have no idea what to do as I'm in my todd. Has anyone tried the clubs or massage parlours?
Hello guys,
On this weekend I will be in Kiev for two days and I want to spend it with some classy girls.
I know many times written here but I will ask some updated information about clubs. Actually I studied in Kiev 4-5 years ago and know Russian well. Before we had river palace.
And there were really classy ladies but I don't know much about current clubs which can pick up ladies. I read couple articles about clubs but they all really old.
All information will be appreciated.
RiceRocket99
03-08-15, 03:38
Never been to Kiev or Europe for that matter, but the adventure does sound very enticing after reading the info here. I like the Latina look, so I've traveled to Latin America numerous times, but enjoy the blonde Eastern Euro look just as much. Seems the civil war is not distracting the mongering scene much. Just a quick question, I'm asian in my 30's, short stature (5'6), in good shape, wondering if I would stick out like a sore thumb in Kiev? Not sure how receptive they are to us Asian folks or pretty much money talks? If all they see is dollar signs, then I'll definitely consider a summer trip. Thanks.
Never been to Kiev or Europe for that matter, but the adventure does sound very enticing after reading the info here. I like the Latina look, so I've traveled to Latin America numerous times, but enjoy the blonde Eastern Euro look just as much. Seems the civil war is not distracting the mongering scene much. Just a quick question, I'm asian in my 30's, short stature (5'6), in good shape, wondering if I would stick out like a sore thumb in Kiev? Not sure how receptive they are to us Asian folks or pretty much money talks? If all they see is dollar signs, then I'll definitely consider a summer trip. Thanks.Fist of all, while Kiew is Europe, it'S a different kind of Europe as you may encounter in Paris, Munich or Rome. Kiew is a world class city, but with a Soviet background.
Asian people are not really highly regarded over there. They usually fall in two classes: Chinese traders which stay very much among them self and immigrant workers form GUS countries. Uzbek and Tadjik are common curse words, and, at least in Russia, people from the Asian regions are only employed for the lowest kind of work. I've seen situations where 'house workers' on datschas where treated much like what situations on cotton farms may have been in the 1800's. So yes, there is a strong racial bias.
Then again, if you're clearly identifiable as a western foreigner, it might work out. In general, a proper attire is required to be taken serious. And of course, Dollar signs do change the experience at least on short distance.
H
I'm in Kiev.
Tonight I asked this taxi driver to take me to an apartment with girls but did not take a girl.
But I noted the location of the apartment.
I'm now wondering what happens if I just go to the apartment for myself without the taxi driver.
Would the madam tell the driver that I showed up by myself?
Would the driver be mad at me? He has my phone number (because I have his).
Any idea?
BTW, food is one thing that has not gone up in price. So you can behave like a king at restaurants. lol.
I'm in Kiev.
Tonight I asked this taxi driver to take me to an apartment with girls but did not take a girl.
But I noted the location of the apartment.
I'm now wondering what happens if I just go to the apartment for myself without the taxi driver.
Would the madam tell the driver that I showed up by myself?
Would the driver be mad at me? He has my phone number (because I have his).
Any idea?
BTW, food is one thing that has not gone up in price. So you can behave like a king at restaurants. lol.Do you have the number of the madam or the 'administration'? That is the only thing you should really care about. They like to be called by you before you come.
RiceRocket99
03-09-15, 07:02
Thanks for the insight! I'm Chinese-American, so with my 100% Chinese look I can see instances where I can be stereotyped or marganilized. But I do have decent and modern fit attire, which along with my English speaking skills are indicators of being a western tourist with exposable dollars. But at the same time I can imagine locals staring at me whenever I'm with a Ukrainian hottie because I do like the all nighter experience with some wine and dine mixed in. At least I'll get a kick out of breaking some bias barriers in the process.
BTW. I've experienced racial / ethnic bias here in US and many other countries that I've been to for better or worse, so I'm well trained in that category LOL.
Fist of all, while Kiew is Europe, it'S a different kind of Europe as you may encounter in Paris, Munich or Rome. Kiew is a world class city, but with a Soviet background.
Asian people are not really highly regarded over there. They usually fall in two classes: Chinese traders which stay very much among them self and immigrant workers form GUS countries. Uzbek and Tadjik are common curse words, and, at least in Russia, people from the Asian regions are only employed for the lowest kind of work. I've seen situations where 'house workers' on datschas where treated much like what situations on cotton farms may have been in the 1800's. So yes, there is a strong racial bias.
Then again, if you're clearly identifiable as a western foreigner, it might work out. In general, a proper attire is required to be taken serious. And of course, Dollar signs do change the experience at least on short distance.
H
Thanks for the insight! I'm Chinese-American, so with my 100% Chinese look I can see instances where I can be stereotyped or marganilized. But I do have decent and modern fit attire, which along with my English speaking skills are indicators of being a western tourist with exposable dollars. But at the same time I can imagine locals staring at me whenever I'm with a Ukrainian hottie because I do like the all nighter experience with some wine and dine mixed in. At least I'll get a kick out of breaking some bias barriers in the process.
BTW. I've experienced racial / ethnic bias here in US and many other countries that I've been to for better or worse, so I'm well trained in that category LOL.Don't be shy, show your confidence and you will be OK. People in eastern Europe and I think everywhere appreciate and respect those traits.
Do you have the number of the madam or the 'administration'? That is the only thing you should really care about. They like to be called by you before you come.No, I don't have the madam's phone number. The taxi driver wants to make sure that I have to get to the apartment through him.
I would go in there by myself, choose a girl and leave immediately with the girl to my apartment.
I'm in Kiev.
Tonight I asked this taxi driver to take me to an apartment with girls but did not take a girl.
But I noted the location of the apartment.
I'm now wondering what happens if I just go to the apartment for myself without the taxi driver.
Would the madam tell the driver that I showed up by myself?
Would the driver be mad at me? He has my phone number (because I have his).
Any idea?
BT.Stick with the driver. He gets his cut from the madam. How much are you going to save going it solo?
He can also introduce you to other hidden local gems.
I keep contact with a local driver in every EE City& Town I visit including Kiev, once I've used their services and found them to be honest and reliable.
They can be your guide, guard, friend in need especially when visiting apartments out of the center.
Anyone here used Kiev inn apartments? I am tempted by the location, the set up, although I stay at hotels in Kiev, I am thinking of this apartment with a Sauna, Jaccuzi, Air Conditioning, etc.
https://www.kievinn.ua/apartments-6.html
Also very close to a very good Massage place (http://roksolana-massage.com.ua/ where I was more than lucky on few occasions.
Anyone here used Kiev inn apartments? I am tempted by the location, the set up, although I stay at hotels in Kiev, I am thinking of this apartment with a Sauna, Jaccuzi, Air Conditioning, etc.
https://www.kievinn.ua/apartments-6.html
Also very close to a very good Massage place (http://roksolana-massage.com.ua/ where I was more than lucky on few occasions.Yes. They are ok. But I think that is set up as a hotel with a reception and such. I prefer apartments that are stand alone. Without a reception. They also have such apartments.
Yes. They are ok. But I think that is set up as a hotel with a reception and such. I prefer apartments that are stand alone. Without a reception. They also have such apartments.Have you actually stayed there and is the set up Girl Friendly?
I did some necessary research here http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g294474-d1627212-Reviews-KievInn_Apartment_Complex-Kiev.html.
Good reviews.
I'm in Kiev.
Tonight I asked this taxi driver to take me to an apartment with girls but did not take a girl.
But I noted the location of the apartment.
I'm now wondering what happens if I just go to the apartment for myself without the taxi driver.
Would the madam tell the driver that I showed up by myself?
Would the driver be mad at me? He has my phone number (because I have his).
Any idea?
BTW, food is one thing that has not gone up in price. So you can behave like a king at restaurants. lol.What are the rates at the one apartment this taxi driver took you to? If they are relatively reasonable in comparison to the known rates of the various long--standing options in Kiev, I wouldn't worry about the modest commission the taxi driver might be receiving for bringing them a new client.
But why only one apartment? I remember when I tried this with a taxi driver, he took me on a tour of five or six apartments to see if I liked what I saw. I was too unfamiliar with the streets of Kiev back in those days to be able to note the address, but I remember wishing I could.
Anyways, I always looked at the driver as a support in terms of translating for me, as well as security when venturing into unknown buildings and locations in various parts of the city, which lacked the more secure feeling of a public place with many people around. I felt I would be virtually at the mercy of whoever was there in an unknown building, street or alley way in a foreign land, undergoing times of economic desperation -- the kind of desperation which often drives some people toward criminal acts, especially against tourists potentially with some money in their pockets. So I was happy for the driver's company. So I looked at the company of the driver as being worth his small commission.
You can also ask around with other drivers who might be able to take you to a larger number of places, so that you can have more options than the one driver and apartment.
I had the impression that a fair number of the Internet website ads from what I assumed were agencies, were actually brothel type girl apartments where a number of ladies were located waiting to be sent on calls or receive Incall visitors. So I suppose it's worth asking about when you're on the phone with an agency, if you can come to their location and select which girl you like, and how many girls do they have there at their location at the moment. That way you can see them all and pick, instead of waiting for individual girls to come to your door, and to send away those who are not good looking enough for your tastes, a much slower process.
Stay safe.
LJ
Septimus1974
03-09-15, 20:41
Anyone here used Kiev inn apartments? I am tempted by the location, the set up, although I stay at hotels in Kiev, I am thinking of this apartment with a Sauna, Jaccuzi, Air Conditioning, etc.
https://www.kievinn.ua/apartments-6.html
Also very close to a very good Massage place (http://roksolana-massage.com.ua/ where I was more than lucky on few occasions.I stayed in Kiev for some days and I stayed at hotel Rus, very good hotel, about 10 minuts walk to the center. But Kiev is a large city and there are serval centers. The hotel is Close to the Maidan squere. Some Girls are in the bar at the secobd floor were the bar is open 24 hours every day. God breakfast and dinner as well. At the first floor there is a Thai massage.
AZN Monger
03-09-15, 23:39
I disagree to a certain extent. I have had real relationships with a few women from these parts back in the States. Also, as a younger businessman with extensive travel experiences, Eastern Europe has major differences depending on where you go, IMHO.
I'm generalizing here:
Russian = Can be very racist. Attacks have been known to occur at public places. Still, I don't believe this is as common as people fear.
Belarus = Not racist or really xenophobic, but as a country that hasn't been exposed to a lot of foreigners, they tend to stick to what's familiar.
Ukraine = Very used to foreigners by now, especially when we are talking about Kiev and the major cities.
For the countries mentioned, their citizens are able to travel to most of Asia freely. They are used to the people and culture. Moreover, Japanese businessmen are everywhere in Kiev.
If anything, Turkish people are by far and away the most disliked group of people here. Then it's a toss-up between Indians, Africans and Uzbeks / Tadjiks. Asians are somewhere in the middle with most of white westerners at the top end of the scale.
Having said that, if you are good-looking, you'll do well regardless of race. There are far better places to monger though. If you do your homework beforehand, you will make out okay. If not, you'd be hard pressed. I can tell you that the majority of men who don't do their homework leave Kiev disappointed. Kiev requires work unless you just want to go to the disco / strip clubs, but if that is your intention, you might as well do it at home and save the cost of flying and staying here.
Money talks, but remember these girls are human. Looks and personality matters. They are not going to stay with you past the agreed obligation if you're a 65 year old guy with nothing in common. Treat them right, learn to speak Russian and be a gentlemen and it will pay dividends. I've had a number of girls stay with me for days / nights without any money involved, even the girls who I initially paid something like 1,000 UAH for an hour.
From what RiceRocket99 has said, if I were him I would just go to Thailand and kill two birds with one stone. Everything is much cheaper there and you get a mix of Thai girls and the Russians who come there for work.
AZN.
Fist of all, while Kiew is Europe, it'S a different kind of Europe as you may encounter in Paris, Munich or Rome. Kiew is a world class city, but with a Soviet background.
Asian people are not really highly regarded over there. They usually fall in two classes: Chinese traders which stay very much among them self and immigrant workers form GUS countries. Uzbek and Tadjik are common curse words, and, at least in Russia, people from the Asian regions are only employed for the lowest kind of work. I've seen situations where 'house workers' on datschas where treated much like what situations on cotton farms may have been in the 1800's. So yes, there is a strong racial bias.
Then again, if you're clearly identifiable as a western foreigner, it might work out. In general, a proper attire is required to be taken serious. And of course, Dollar signs do change the experience at least on short distance.
H
RiceRocket99
03-10-15, 00:34
Thanks for the helpful info on Kiev. I'm not a lazy guy, and I enjoy learning about new cultures and languages. I speak 3 different languages myself, so I can add some Russian to the list, well at least some simple words / phrases to show I'm genuinely interested in their country and culture. I'm not the wham and bam monger that tries to cram as much pussy a day as possible. I like to hang out and get to know the girl because it makes for a better experience and connection. A good sense of humor is easily translatable in any culture, so that's my way in. Doesn't always happen that way but it usually does. I've read that there are plenty of girls that can speak ok / decent English, so I might go that route.
Thanks for the Thailand tip, but I like to go to the source rather than to a place that imports the girls I want. Plus, this is as much about mongering as it is discovering a whole new culture / experience far away from home. I will def do my homework as I enjoy the process as much as the end result. I just have to make a decision on summer '15 or wait till next year.
I disagree to a certain extent. I have had real relationships with a few women from these parts back in the States. Also, as a younger businessman with extensive travel experiences, Eastern Europe has major differences depending on where you go, IMHO.
I'm generalizing here:
Russian = Can be very racist. Attacks have been known to occur at public places. Still, I don't believe this is as common as people fear.
Belarus = Not racist or really xenophobic, but as a country that hasn't been exposed to a lot of foreigners, they tend to stick to what's familiar.
Ukraine = Very used to foreigners by now, especially when we are talking about Kiev and the major cities.
For the countries mentioned, their citizens are able to travel to most of Asia freely. They are used to the people and culture. Moreover, Japanese businessmen are everywhere in Kiev.
If anything, Turkish people are by far and away the most disliked group of people here. Then it's a toss-up between Indians, Africans and Uzbeks / Tadjiks. Asians are somewhere in the middle with most of white westerners at the top end of the scale.
Having said that, if you are good-looking, you'll do well regardless of race. There are far better places to monger though. If you do your homework beforehand, you will make out okay. If not, you'd be hard pressed. I can tell you that the majority of men who don't do their homework leave Kiev disappointed. Kiev requires work unless you just want to go to the disco / strip clubs, but if that is your intention, you might as well do it at home and save the cost of flying and staying here.
Money talks, but remember these girls are human. Looks and personality matters. They are not going to stay with you past the agreed obligation if you're a 65 year old guy with nothing in common. Treat them right, learn to speak Russian and be a gentlemen and it will pay dividends. I've had a number of girls stay with me for days / nights without any money involved, even the girls who I initially paid something like 1,000 UAH for an hour.
From what RiceRocket99 has said, if I were him I would just go to Thailand and kill two birds with one stone. Everything is much cheaper there and you get a mix of Thai girls and the Russians who come there for work.
AZN.
A girl (I hope) on mamba says she is willing to come out from Dnipropetrovsk to Kiev and asked me to pay for the trip. I thought she was one of those scam artists, but, to my surprise, she says she'll come out by bus, not by plane, so she just want me to send her money by Western Union for the cost of bus.
What do I make out of this? She just want to pocket a few dollars?
I don't mind her sending a few dollars to see what happens...lol.I just want to update this with what happened, now that it's completely over.
First, I asked her for a Skype chat, which she rejected saying she does not use it.
Second, I asked her to take a photo of her face with a finger on her cheek and post it on Mamba. It was funny. She posted three photos of this beautiful girl with her hand / finger in various positions but not one finger on her cheek. One of them even had a finger on her chin, but not cheek.
Third, I asked her if I could reserve her a bus ticket from Dnipropetrovsk to Kiev and if she would pick it up in her city, instead of me sending her $15 with Western Union. She rejected the idea saying she doesn't like a virtual ticket.
So after all this, I said, "Bye, thanks for the entertainmetn. " Her last message was "I don't need a greedy man," and the following was also posted: "Maybe she didn't enjoy your comversation. " We exchanged all together 169 posts.
I just want to update this with what happened, now that it's completely over.
First, I asked her for a Skype chat, which she rejected saying she does not use it.
Second, I asked her to take a photo of her face with a finger on her cheek and post it on Mamba. It was funny. She posted three photos of this beautiful girl with her hand / finger in various positions but not one finger on her cheek. One of them even had a finger on her chin, but not cheek.
Third, I asked her if I could reserve her a bus ticket from Dnipropetrovsk to Kiev and if she would pick it up in her city, instead of me sending her $15 with Western Union. She rejected the idea saying she doesn't like a virtual ticket.
So after all this, I said, "Bye, thanks for the entertainmetn. " Her last message was "I don't need a greedy man," and the following was also posted: "Maybe she didn't enjoy your comversation. " We exchanged all together 169 posts.They all use the word "greedy" improperly. What they intend to say is "stingy". So I am glad you had the last laugh on this scammer and did not send her any money. You would surely never have seen her or your money again. Know this with a certainty, and no regrets, despite how cute the pics looked to you. There is no logical or justifiable reason for her to not like "virtual" tickets, other than that it does not allow her to get her greedy hands in your cash. That should be absolutely clear.
That being said, I have often paid for transportation costs of girl I already know and have fucked. Is it possible they might find some excuse not to come in the end? Yes, of course. But this is low risk. A bet I feel more comfortable making. Besides they are in it for the incentive of the bigger cash they get at the end after all the good sex. So I'm not worried about paying for a girl's transportation once I know her already, even in advance, and even by western union, as factually, they may not actually be able to afford laying these funds out, they are so broke.
But never send a penny to scammers from Donetsk or Dnipropetrovsk etc.
If they start asking money with western union, I always agree to send, and tell them I would go to town to do it. After a few hours I am back online, just as shark on blood, they start sending you PM, then I give them a fake money control number. The stupid ones are coming back online after a time, and saying the number is not correct, I change one number and they will try to collect the money again!
Never send money by western union to Ukrainian girls!
If they start asking money with western union, I always agree to send, and tell them I would go to town to do it. After a few hours I am back online, just as shark on blood, they start sending you PM, then I give them a fake money control number. The stupid ones are coming back online after a time, and saying the number is not correct, I change one number and they will try to collect the money again! Never send money by western union to Ukrainian girls!Now that's a really good advice. Never thought about returning the 'favour' of wasting my time that way.
Thanks,
H
Never send money by western union to Ukrainian girls!Never send money to anyone you have never meet before in any country ever. The nice pretty girls is everywhere, especially in Ukraine!
If they start asking money with western union, I always agree to send, and tell them I would go to town to do it. After a few hours I am back online, just as shark on blood, they start sending you PM, then I give them a fake money control number. The stupid ones are coming back online after a time, and saying the number is not correct, I change one number and they will try to collect the money again! Never send money by western union to Ukrainian girls!I rather felt sorry that these scammers are trying to commit such petite crimes, not that I'm willing to give them money.
I am planing to do a second trip to Kiev. Has done some reading in this forum and checked my Mamba account. Things look a lot more "dead". Some questions.
1: Is still Arena working place?
2: Is Rio is the place to be for quiet time?
3: Vodka bar and Budda bar is there any fun?
4: Mamba if someone have a nice girl on Mamba that like to hang with 40+ dude, send me a PM.
5: Anyone else plan to go there in end of April?
Thank for any help, I like this forum a lot.
With best regards.
OwaRunner.
TheWhatever
03-14-15, 16:10
Hello!
I am setting up a 4-5 days travel to Kiev in April just for fun.
I have found this escort girl in 'verified' section http://www.top-modals.com/?id=8034.
Is she real or tourist trap?
Hello!
I am setting up a 4-5 days travel to Kiev in April just for fun.
I have found this escort girl in 'verified' section http://www.top-modals.com/?id=8034.
Is she real or tourist trap?I have not tried to meet this particular girl from top-modals.com website, but I can give you general response. I will tell you how a member here -- who has invested the time and effort to actually read the prior extensive reporting contained in this thread over the past few years, and gained the necessary knowledge of how best to operate in Kiev, and how to choose between the various options -- would analyze the prospects you are confronting.
My own experience with girls from this website involves three girls who were on the site whose photos were real, but I believe they were independent girls who were advertising themselves. I had great fun with them, and met with them many times over the years, each trip I made to Kiev. The first one was a slender very pretty blonde, who was great in bed, and the other two were friends of hers she brought at different times to do a threesome with and I became friends with them also. So it is possible that some of the girls on the site are actually real.
There came a point in time during which I became more interested in getting girls from mamba. Ru, so I haven't been trying to meet new girls through the top-modals.com website, but I regard it as a potential source to call upon for some good fun. However, I must stress that there is no guarantee that a girl's photos are actually real just because it is marked "real photos" on that website. So you still must be prepared to send a girl away if you don't find her appealing when she arrives, and doesn't look like her photos, just like any other escort website from Kiev, all of which are notorious for using fake pictures and engaging in "bait & switch" advertising method. It is, as has been explained many times heretofore, a trial and error process to find a really hot girl with good services, from these websites in Kiev. You need to keep trying, in order to eventually score what you want.
That being said, please also note that the phone number of the girl you picked, whose rate is 1200 UAH per hour, is the identical same phone number of a bunch of other girls with the same rate. What does this mean? Do you honestly believe That they all have true pictures, and all these lovely real girls just happen to live together in one big apartment and all share one telephone? Very unlikely. Or maybe this is just one girl who has posted many ads with fake pics in the hopes of generating more business for herself? Maybe. But More likely this is an agency with several girls working for it, and the pictures may or may not be true, and there may or may not be an actual apartment where they are located.
So it is certainly worth giving it a try. Maybe even if the pic was fake, the actual girl who shows up will be pretty hot, and you will score nicely. Maybe it's worth asking, on the assumption there might be an Incall apartment location, whether you can come to their location to see the girl, and how many girls there are there to choose from. Even if you don't go, the answers to those questions tell you some important info. You might want to ask for two or three girls to come, because you like to party like that, so you can choose whichever one or ones look good to you, and send the others back with taxi fare.
Also don't assume that just because the price is 1200, that these girls necessarily look better than the girls listed who are priced 1000, or 800 or even 600. I had a girl priced at 400, who came and looked good enough, even though pic was fake, and since I was in the mood, I decided to keep her and enjoyed her. At the time, a year or two ago, 400 was worth $50 USD, so I figured this was just fine for such a small amount. Imagine how ridiculously low a price 400 UAH represents now that it's value has shrunk now to one third the value of what it was worth then. Today $50 is about 1200 UAH, not 400 UAH.
Hello!
I am setting up a 4-5 days travel to Kiev in April just for fun.
I have found this escort girl in 'verified' section http://www.top-modals.com/?id=8034.
Is she real or tourist trap?It can be both, unable to say. Get a premium account here, so can I PM you with what I have found so far. I plan to go to Kiev in end of April, and be there for some days.
With best regards.
OwaRunner.
Hello!
I am setting up a 4-5 days travel to Kiev in April just for fun.
I have found this escort girl in 'verified' section http://www.top-modals.com/?id=8034.
Is she real or tourist trap?95:1 = It's a fake. Anyway it's not a single girl, it's an apartment / angency with many girls (click on the phone number). There are just a hand full of real girls on that page (even if the photos are marked as verified or 100% real). Some girls are "real" but don't work for that agency anymore or they are busy and the boss will send you another girl. They expect that you are horny and don't send them home.
TheWhatever
03-15-15, 12:48
I see!
It was too good to be true then.
Any trustful website with top model looking girls or known places in Kiev with these dreamy bodies?
I always thought Kiev is a paradise on Earth in terms of gorgeous and sexy woman.
Frisky2015
03-15-15, 15:02
It can be both, unable to say. Get a premium account here, so can I PM you with what I have found so far. I plan to go to Kiev in end of April, and be there for some days.
With best regards.
OwaRunner.Hi Owarunner,
Going this week. Are you able to provide any recommendations?
I see!
It was too good to be true then.
Any trustful website with top model looking girls or known places in Kiev with these dreamy bodies?
I always thought Kiev is a paradise on Earth in terms of gorgeous and sexy woman.Its possible but need work.
Read forum minimum 100 pages back, get a PM account. Use Mamba and VK (much harder) and PM some friends here that have been there or are going to be there in a few weeks.
Only good advice I can give you that have worked for me, is there is nothing called a free lunch.
BR.
OwaRunner.
Hi Owarunner,
Going this week. Are you able to provide any recommendations?Yes, get a Premium account, and PM me and read 100 pages of this forum. You need it if you like something other the strip clubs.
BR.
OwaRunner.
I see!
It was too good to be true then.
Any trustful website with top model looking girls or known places in Kiev with these dreamy bodies?
I always thought Kiev is a paradise on Earth in terms of gorgeous and sexy woman.Just have a look at http://www.kiev-x.in and use google translate.
Just have a look at http://www.kiev-x.in and use google translate.Interesting, I have not seen this site. Have you tried any of them?
BR.
OwaRunner.
I'm going to Kiev this summer and was wondering if there's an issue with Mamba.
Is the advanced search on mamba gone? I just logged on for the first time in months and cannot search at all. They have some new interface that seems really glitchy.
Do you guys recommend anything else besides Mamba? I've always had great success on there in the past.
Interesting, I have not seen this site. Have you tried any of them?It works rather the other way around. If you find someone interesting at Modals, Ukrgo, etc, Kiew-x is a good way to gather additional information, especially how true the pictures are and how the girls behave.
Important: keep in mind these reports are written by locals, so your experience as a foreigner may differ vastly.
H
TheWhatever
03-17-15, 14:24
Oksana from Mamba looks awesome!
I hope she's not fake.
I have a question for you experienced punters.
I'm going on holiday this summer, in June or July. I want to combine sex along with everyday activities.
Meaning I want to have something to do in the days as well, when I'm not in the bed with a lady.
My problem is:
Kiev. What is there to do there except hunting for girls? The city seems boring, nothing like for example London.
But I have never been to Ukraine before so I don't really know.
Its either Kiev. Ukraine, Warszawa. Poland, London. UK, or Moscow / St Petersbrg. Russia.
London: been there before. Had a great time. Problem is stiff prices. People know English there so getting around is easy. Lots of stuff to do.
Kiev: Gorgeous girls. Lots of amateurs you can have a good time with, compared to say London which is full of Pro's. Cheap girls. Can spend the entire.
Night with them without breaking the bank. My problem is that I can't find anything interesting to do there in the daytime. Museums get boring pretty quick for me.
Plus do the people there know English? If I need help, am I in big trouble? And there doesn't seem to be many escort directories from this country, which makes it.
Difficult to find a woman for the night.
Warszawa: Like Kiev I assume. Never been there before either, so I don't really know. There seem to be a little more escort sites which makes picking out an escort easier.
Than in Kiev.
Moscow / St Petersburg: Like Kiev / Warszawa I think. Cheap, plus there is many many escort sites which helps you track down a English talking lady to have sex with.
English is bad here too like in Kiev / Warszawa?
What would you guys go if you were me between those 4 places? And why?
I appreciate any help I can get. This is very difficult for me.
I have a question for you experienced punters.
I'm going on holiday this summer, in June or July. I want to combine sex along with everyday activities.
Meaning I want to have something to do in the days as well, when I'm not in the bed with a lady.
My problem is:
Kiev. What is there to do there except hunting for girls? The city seems boring, nothing like for example London.
But I have never been to Ukraine before so I don't really know.
Its either Kiev. Ukraine, Warszawa. Poland, London. UK, or Moscow / St Petersbrg. Russia.
London: been there before. Had a great time. Problem is stiff prices. People know English there so getting around is easy. Lots of stuff to do.
Kiev: Gorgeous girls. Lots of amateurs you can have a good time with, compared to say London which is full of Pro's. Cheap girls. Can spend the entire.
Night with them without breaking the bank. My problem is that I can't find anything interesting to do there in the daytime. Museums get boring pretty quick for me.
Plus do the people there know English? If I need help, am I in big trouble? And there doesn't seem to be many escort directories from this country, which makes it.
Difficult to find a woman for the night.
Warszawa: Like Kiev I assume. Never been there before either, so I don't really know. There seem to be a little more escort sites which makes picking out an escort easier.
Than in Kiev.
Moscow / St Petersburg: Like Kiev / Warszawa I think. Cheap, plus there is many many escort sites which helps you track down a English talking lady to have sex with.
English is bad here too like in Kiev / Warszawa?
What would you guys go if you were me between those 4 places? And why?
I appreciate any help I can get. This is very difficult for me.A lot of girls going on holidays, too. Even if they don't have much money. Don't expect that Kiev will be full of sex-hungry girls during the summer-season.
Moscow? Cheap? It's 2015 and not 1995. Before the crisis Moscow was very expensive. Now Moscow is just expensive (compared to Kiev).
Kiev? Boring? There are a lot of activities for the daytime. You can go to the beach clubs Olmeca Plage, Bora-Bora, CityBeachClub. You can go to the shopping centers (Ocean Plaza, Sky-Mall, Gulliver-Center).
Sports. ? Use the ropeway from the freedom arch to hydro park. In the hydro park you can drive with quards, try base jump, try to fly with the Jetlev-Flyer. Everything is possible (if you have money).
Even the museums are not really boring. Discover the caves of the cloister, climb to the top of the statue, take a daytrip to Chernobyl.
Hi guys!
I have always been interested in going to Ukraine, and I thought now might be the perfect time, given the exchange rate, which is 1:22 today versus 1:8 just one year ago. Thinking of going to visit Kiev, Kamyanets-Podilsky, and Odessa, then flying to Romania. The most beautiful women in the world is a big big plus.
1. Can anyone in Kiev now or very recently comment on prices? Have restaurants, hotels, and girls increased their nominal prices to compensate? Have they just began quoting in dollars? Or are things really cheaper in practice if you exchange currency and pay in hryvnya?
If Ukraine is a bargain now, then I would love to take advantage of it, and give some business to the Ukrainian people at the same time. But if prices for the things that tourists / punters would frequent have stayed mostly the same, then I would rather wait until things calm down politically.
2. Also, can someone paint a broad picture of the scene? I have read back a year or so on the forum, and everyone mostly just talks about Mamba. Not into the website thing. Are there good cafes, bordellos, clubs and strip clubs, and what are the prices there now? Is Rio still the place to go?
3. Finally, I know that some of you will nail me for this, but can someone comment on HIV and STDs? I have read several articles about HIV rates increasing because of the conflict, and they were high to begin with. Is that mostly in eastern Ukraine? Or does it affect Kiev, Odessa, and western Ukraine as well? Is the risk overblown or underappreciated? I always practice safe sex.
I would love input both from veterans, as well as people who have gone recently for the first time.
Thanks in advance!
Reiner Otto
03-17-15, 21:54
I have a question for you experienced punters.
I'm going on holiday this summer, in June or July. July is a bad idea for Kiev, because of holidays. Until end of June makes sense, because of students party.
Odessa / Arkadia in July is great. However, many "leechers" .
Visit the aircraft museum in Kiev, close to Zhulyani airport. Rent a car for short trips. A daytrip to the museum of strategic rockets:
Visit the underground control of a former SS-18 ICBM missile base. And sit at the keyboard for lauch.
(About 20 km from highway Kiev / Odessa, direction Nikolaev).
A lot of girls going on holidays, too. Even if they don't have much money. Don't expect that Kiev will be full of sex-hungry girls during the summer-season.
Moscow? Cheap? It's 2015 and not 1995. Before the crisis Moscow was very expensive. Now Moscow is just expensive (compared to Kiev).
Kiev? Boring? There are a lot of activities for the daytime. You can go to the beach clubs Olmeca Plage, Bora-Bora, CityBeachClub. You can go to the shopping centers (Ocean Plaza, Sky-Mall, Gulliver-Center).
Sports. ? Use the ropeway from the freedom arch to hydro park. In the hydro park you can drive with quards, try base jump, try to fly with the Jetlev-Flyer. Everything is possible (if you have money).
Even the museums are not really boring. Discover the caves of the cloister, climb to the top of the statue, take a daytrip to Chernobyl.
July is a bad idea for Kiev, because of holidays. Until end of June makes sense, because of students party.
Odessa / Arkadia in July is great. However, many "leechers" .
Visit the aircraft museum in Kiev, close to Zhulyani airport. Rent a car for short trips. A daytrip to the museum of strategic rockets:
Visit the underground control of a former SS-18 ICBM missile base. And sit at the keyboard for lauch.
(About 20 km from highway Kiev / Odessa, direction Nikolaev).Thank you both for some tips regarding things to do. I will look it up and read about the things you mentioned. I heard Ukraine is quite beautiful during summer, so that helps as well.
But a quick follow up questions to you guys:
What do you mean by students party? The whole Kiev city turned in to a party place in July, like noise and stuff? I am open for both June and July so I can go in June if its bad there in July.
Secondly, how do I get in touch with the girls in Kiev? Both London and Warszawa have huge directories where you can pick a girl you like, with details what she does.
Kiev however, the sites are pretty scarce, and the few sites I can find seems quite fishy with girls that seems way too good looking that they must be fakes / models. Where can I.
Contact the girls before booking my travel? I like to make dates to have everything settled and cleared before deciding to go.
Third: Is it difficult down there when all you know is English? Do the people there speak English? Also, are there many other mongers like us down there in the summer so that the.
"competition" is just too much?
Thank you all for your help. I appreciate it greatly.
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ApolloCreed
03-18-15, 06:08
I just returned home from my trip in Kiev.
Some notes.
- Even with the euro being 23 hryvnia and not 32 like 2 weeks before, everything was so cheap!
I mean restaurants, bars, transport, etc.
- I visited Rio. The girls were from average to great looking! The stuff were very very polite and willing to help you! I asked 2 girls to take back to my apartment and they asked for 6000 HR.
Too much, but in case of one little brunette, worth it. Unfortunately she went home with another guy before I decide.
- I was speaking with a mamba girl. We decided to meet and I proposed to go have a dinner and see what after. Maybe we'll end in my apartment.
To which she replied that she would love that, and I could offer her a gift in form of money. She asked for 2000 HR.
When I asked for a friend for my friend she said she didn't have one but proposed group sex, which "she had never tried", without asking more money.
She was amazing! We went all together to eat something, then went to a karaoke bar, and then end in our apartment. She was very passionate and never mentioned money, and wouldn't leave afterwards. She was a little gem! I gave her more than the 2000 she asked.
- I also met with 2 girls from VK. With the one (20 yo) we made a quick connection and after a bottle of wine started kissing. It didn't lead to more, and I didn't push it, but I will see her again.
With the other (30 yo) we just had a nice dinner, and now continue chatting, and will see where it goes.
- I had agreed on meeting with some more girls from Mamba or Travelgirls, but they couldn't meet when I wanted or they were "lost" and didn't reply.
- Generally, Kiev gave me the impression that anything is possible. Girls are looking at you in the street more than in Russian cities (and of course much more than Western European cities).
I'm going back soon!
Reiner Otto
03-18-15, 17:13
What do you mean by students party? TStudents are in mood for drinking and party in the bars and discos, because end of school / university on 30-June.
Sponsors welcome.
Pick up the more-or-less pros on Kreshatik, close to Mc Donalds. You only need to sit on one of the benches: They will find you.
Personally, I like the discos or bars, to pick up freelancers. Or freebees, in case of luck. Although they also expect "presents".
Depending upon the time to spend, last 2 weeks of June in Kiev, and then 2 weeks in Odessa/Arkadia.
Best: You pick up a student in Kiev, and take her to Arkadia. She will appreciate it !!!!!
(Girls in Arkadia are terrific ! But they know it themselves, and suck your $$$$$$ very often).
July is a bad idea for Kiev, because of holidays. Until end of June makes sense, because of students party.
Odessa / Arkadia in July is great. However, many "leechers" .
Visit the aircraft museum in Kiev, close to Zhulyani airport. Rent a car for short trips. A daytrip to the museum of strategic rockets:
Visit the underground control of a former SS-18 ICBM missile base. And sit at the keyboard for lauch.
(About 20 km from highway Kiev / Odessa, direction Nikolaev).What do you mean by "leechers. " Sounds like you speak from experience. Where is the main Odesa scene and how does it compare to Kiev?
TheWhatever
03-18-15, 21:47
I have found this website with very good looking independent escorts thought it's literary 2 and 3 times more expensive than other escorts, why?
http://mister-x.org
I just returned home from my trip in Kiev.
Some notes.
- Even with the euro being 23 hryvnia and not 32 like 2 weeks before, everything was so cheap!
I mean restaurants, bars, transport, etc.
- I visited Rio. The girls were from average to great looking! The stuff were very very polite and willing to help you! I asked 2 girls to take back to my apartment and they asked for 6000 HR.
Too much, but in case of one little brunette, worth it. Unfortunately she went home with another guy before I decide.
- I was speaking with a mamba girl. We decided to meet and I proposed to go have a dinner and see what after. Maybe we'll end in my apartment.
To which she replied that she would love that, and I could offer her a gift in form of money. She asked for 2000 HR.
When I asked for a friend for my friend she said she didn't have one but proposed group sex, which "she had never tried", without asking more money...Apollo,
Is 6000 UAH the Rio club's new rate for taking a girl out for three hours? I was wondering what they would do and whether they would adjust their prices upwards. Their rate was $300 USD / three hours for several years. Now if their rate is 6000 UAH, that is about $250 USD in today's exchange rate. That means the price has gone down from $300 USD to $250 USD for three hours. Please confirm the amount of the take out fee and the time period for that fee at Rio. Thanks.
From what I see, the rates on the escort websites like top-modals.com etc. Have not changed much, despite the decrease in value of the Ukraunian hryvna.
Reiner Otto
03-19-15, 16:41
What do you mean by "leechers. " Sounds like you speak from experience. Where is the main Odesa scene and how does it compare to Kiev?The "leechers" will suck all your $$ just partying and promising. But no shot.
Just google for "Odessa Arkadia". And you will see. Also check on youtube. Arkadia is the outdoor scene, at the beach, during June / July / August / Sept. At night, super discos or bars, during daytime
like cafes, with private beach.
Cheap accomodation in Odessa during July / August might be difficult to find, though. Better try to book a hotel on the web in case of Juyly/August.
Ukrainians say: "It is easy to get a girl in Odessa. But difficult, to keep ".
In Arkadia, my favourite was "Itaka". Other prefer "Ibiza". These are the places in July / August, where you find the most beautiful girls in UA.
But not to forget: Many of them already have well-off "sponsors". Although some pros around, too.
In the past, during this time quite a lot of foreigners in Odessa. This might be different this year, because of political reasons.
And, because of Crimea now "off limits", Odessa might be even busier with locals during summer time.
I start to think .... <grin>
ApolloCreed
03-19-15, 19:31
Apollo,
Is 6000 UAH the Rio club's new rate for taking a girl out for three hours? Their rate was $300 USD / three hours for several years. Now if their rate is 6000 UAH, that is about $250 USD in today's exchange rate. They told me 6000 OR 300 $.
The "leechers" will suck all your $$ just partying and promising. But no
Ukrainians say: "It is easy to get a girl in Odessa. But difficult, to keep ".
In Arkadia, my favourite was "Itaka". Other prefer "Ibiza". These are the places in July / August, where you find the most beautiful girls in UA.
But not to forget: Many of them already have well-off "sponsors". Although some pros around, too.
In the past, during this time quite a lot of foreigners in Odessa. This might be different this year, because of political reasons.
And, because of Crimea now "off limits", Odessa might be even busier with locals during summer time.
I start to think .... <grin>Dear Otto,
I was in Odessa last summer and was in Evpatoria previous year.
For me especialy aftter war Odessa is ten times much more preferable place both compared to Kiev and Evp.
I also think Kiev is a boring place for non mongering activities.
Odessa is great. One of my friend moved to a close village and he said Moldovians didn't come this year because of war so war effects no of foreign tourists. But locals increasing but andıt tourists they are the people who had moved there because of war. I. e from Donetsk.
So if the situation is same war will be serving the brave mongers like us. Less competition.
UrbanCowboy22
03-20-15, 00:00
I can confirm that take out prices at Rio were $250 a few weeks ago. Privates dances were 400 uah. A few of the salons near the center were 1 hour for $50 or 1600 uah.
Apollo,
Is 6000 UAH the Rio club's new rate for taking a girl out for three hours? I was wondering what they would do and whether they would adjust their prices upwards. Their rate was $300 USD / three hours for several years. Now if their rate is 6000 UAH, that is about $250 USD in today's exchange rate. That means the price has gone down from $300 USD to $250 USD for three hours. Please confirm the amount of the take out fee and the time period for that fee at Rio. Thanks.
From what I see, the rates on the escort websites like top-modals.com etc. Have not changed much, despite the decrease in value of the Ukraunian hryvna.
Apollo,
Is 6000 UAH the Rio club's new rate for taking a girl out for three hours? I was wondering what they would do and whether they would adjust their prices upwards. Their rate was $300 USD / three hours for several years. Now if their rate is 6000 UAH, that is about $250 USD in today's exchange rate. That means the price has gone down from $300 USD to $250 USD for three hours. Please confirm the amount of the take out fee and the time period for that fee at Rio. Thanks.
From what I see, the rates on the escort websites like top-modals.com etc. Have not changed much, despite the decrease in value of the Ukraunian hryvna.
When I went to Rio on March 7, it was 5000 UAH (215 USD! with the exchange rate of that day) for 3 hours. I was very excited. I took out girls twice for this price.
Then only a few days later, it went up to 6000 UAH. I took out girls twice also for this price. Still much less than 300 USD, but my excitement was gone.
But, as far as I can see, 3 hours is hardly enforced lately. All but one of the four times they stayed about 5 hours. That's 43 USD per hour on March 7.
The "leechers" will suck all your $$ just partying and promising. But no shot.
Just google for "Odessa Arkadia". And you will see. Also check on youtube. Arkadia is the outdoor scene, at the beach, during June / July / August / Sept. At night, super discos or bars, during daytime
like cafes, with private beach.
Cheap accomodation in Odessa during July / August might be difficult to find, though. Better try to book a hotel on the web in case of Juyly/August.
Ukrainians say: "It is easy to get a girl in Odessa. But difficult, to keep ".
In Arkadia, my favourite was "Itaka". Other prefer "Ibiza". These are the places in July / August, where you find the most beautiful girls in UA.
But not to forget: Many of them already have well-off "sponsors". Although some pros around, too.
In the past, during this time quite a lot of foreigners in Odessa. This might be different this year, because of political reasons.
And, because of Crimea now "off limits", Odessa might be even busier with locals during summer time.
I start to think .... <grin>May I further ask you a question for clarification?
"The "leechers" will suck all your $$ just partying and promising. But no shot. ".
What do they promise? Promise or suggest to have sex? And they eventually don't let you to? Is this what you are saying here?
Thanks.
Reiner Otto
03-20-15, 13:49
May I further ask you a question for clarification?
"The "leechers" will suck all your $$ just partying and promising. But no shot. ".
What do they promise? Promise or suggest to have sex? And they eventually don't let you to? Is this what you are saying here?
More or less: Yes.
(Not talking about pros, but the girls giving you hints, to be available later on).
Apollo,
Is 6000 UAH the Rio club's new rate for taking a girl out for three hours? I was wondering what they would do and whether they would adjust their prices upwards. Their rate was $300 USD / three hours for several years. Now if their rate is 6000 UAH, that is about $250 USD in today's exchange rate. That means the price has gone down from $300 USD to $250 USD for three hours. Please confirm the amount of the take out fee and the time period for that fee at Rio. Thanks.
They told me 6000 OR 300 $.
When I went to Rio on March 7, it was 5000 UAH (215 USD! with the exchange rate of that day) for 3 hours. I was very excited. I took out girls twice for this price.
Then only a few days later, it went up to 6000 UAH. I took out girls twice also for this price. Still much less than 300 USD, but my excitement was gone.
But, as far as I can see, 3 hours is hardly enforced lately. All but one of the four times they stayed about 5 hours. That's 43 USD per hour on March 7.That is significant news, guys. The price in USD has remained the same, but there is a significant lag in time for the adjustment of the prices in UAH to reflect the current exchange rate. I wonder if the same phenomenon is the case in the other strip clubs that had higher prices for take out that Rio. If the prices in UAH are lagging, one might be able to do take out from those other strip clubs too at a reduced price. For example, the Dolls strip club which historically had a take out price of $300 for only two hours, which was a higher per hour rate ($150/ HR USD) than Rio's rate of $300/3 hours ($100/ HR USD). What is the price for take out in UAH at the Dolls club, or the other even higher priced strip clubs, which did have some awesome looking hotties dancing at them?
You have noted an upward change in price in UAH during the course of just a few days, so it isn't possible to predict for how long these bargains will last into the future. But it's a clear bargain for now as long as you make sure to only pay for services in Ukrainian hryvna (UAH)! I note that this is for a local product / service such as Ukrainian pussy, and may not be the case for imported goods. LOL.
Strip clubs have historically been among the higher priced options in Kiev, as it has long been reported as possible to get P4P girls in the regular nightclubs like Shooters etc for $100 to $150 USD for an hour or two hours or maybe more. In the past that meant giving about 800 UAH (which was $100) to 1200 UAH (which was $150). So the question is, in the nightclubs is it still possible to find girls who will accept 800 UAH or 1000 UAH or 1200 UAH, which today have a value of only one--third of what they used to be worth, which means that even a 1200 UAH / hour girl, who used to be asking $150 USD, is now getting only $50 from you when she receives the 1200 UAH. So what are the current prices in UAH for P4P in the nightclubs nowadays?
Thanks guys.
In Arkadia, my favourite was "Itaka". Other prefer "Ibiza". These are the places in July / August, where you find the most beautiful girls in UA.
But not to forget: Many of them already have well-off "sponsors". Although some pros around, too.
In the past, during this time quite a lot of foreigners in Odessa. This might be different this year, because of political reasons.
And, because of Crimea now "off limits", Odessa might be even busier with locals during summer time.
I start to think .... <grin>Hallo RO,
Good to see you back here - or 'wieder da', if you like! :)
Do you still visit Ukraine?
I think you wrote some time ago that you sold your property in the south?
JG.
AColonizer
03-21-15, 16:28
I was quickly reading this thread and I read your post: I agree with you even if I haven't stayed in Odessa yet and also I know Odessa area has one of most high rate of HIV. Since I don't consider sex what is doing with a condom, what is your behavior for getting real sex with lower risks?
Students are in mood for drinking and party in the bars and discos, because end of school / university on 30-June.
Sponsors welcome.
Pick up the more-or-less pros on Kreshatik, close to Mc Donalds. You only need to sit on one of the benches: They will find you.
Personally, I like the discos or bars, to pick up freelancers. Or freebees, in case of luck. Although they also expect "presents".
Depending upon the time to spend, last 2 weeks of June in Kiev, and then 2 weeks in Odessa/Arkadia.
Best: You pick up a student in Kiev, and take her to Arkadia. She will appreciate it !!!!!
(Girls in Arkadia are terrific ! But they know it themselves, and suck your $$$$$$ very often).
Reiner Otto
03-21-15, 17:17
Haven't been in UA for about 1. 5 years, since giving up my "office-appartment". Went to TH several (long-) times instead.
Tempted to return for some time to southern UA because of exchange rate. But nothing definitive, yet.
Strip clubs have historically been among the higher priced options in Kiev, as it has long been reported as possible to get P4P girls in the regular nightclubs like Shooters etc for $100 to $150 USD for an hour or two hours or maybe more. In the past that meant giving about 800 UAH (which was $100) to 1200 UAH (which was $150). So the question is, in the nightclubs is it still possible to find girls who will accept 800 UAH or 1000 UAH or 1200 UAH, which today have a value of only one--third of what they used to be worth, which means that even a 1200 UAH / hour girl, who used to be asking $150 USD, is now getting only $50 from you when she receives the 1200 UAH. So what are the current prices in UAH for P4P in the nightclubs nowadays?
Thanks guys.Was there any change in the number of girls?
BR.
Owarunner.
TheWhatever
03-23-15, 14:58
What is the best hotel: Dnipro or Rus hotel?
I am searching for an hotel which will not ask for 'security' $$ to pass a girl in my room as I will most probably invite a Mamba girl to my room.
And if possible a bar where I could pick up a girl in case I am tired to search the last 2 days in the streets or internet.
The 30 to 40 $ per night is a very good deal, if you know other hotels with better girls and no annoyances from bringing external girls just tell me.
That is significant news, guys. The price in USD has remained the same, but there is a significant lag in time for the adjustment of the prices in UAH to reflect the current exchange rate. I wonder if the same phenomenon is the case in the other strip clubs that had higher prices for take out that Rio. If the prices in UAH are lagging, one might be able to do take out from those other strip clubs too at a reduced price. For example, the Dolls strip club which historically had a take out price of $300 for only two hours, which was a higher per hour rate ($150/ HR USD) than Rio's rate of $300/3 hours ($100/ HR USD). What is the price for take out in UAH at the Dolls club, or the other even higher priced strip clubs, which did have some awesome looking hotties dancing at them?
You have noted an upward change in price in UAH during the course of just a few days, so it isn't possible to predict for how long these bargains will last into the future. But it's a clear bargain for now as long as you make sure to only pay for services in Ukrainian hryvna (UAH)! I note that this is for a local product / service such as Ukrainian pussy, and may not be the case for imported goods. LOL.
Strip clubs have historically been among the higher priced options in Kiev, as it has long been reported as possible to get P4P girls in the regular nightclubs like Shooters etc for $100 to $150 USD for an hour or two hours or maybe more. In the past that meant giving about 800 UAH (which was $100) to 1200 UAH (which was $150). So the question is, in the nightclubs is it still possible to find girls who will accept 800 UAH or 1000 UAH or 1200 UAH, which today have a value of only one--third of what they used to be worth, which means that even a 1200 UAH / hour girl, who used to be asking $150 USD, is now getting only $50 from you when she receives the 1200 UAH. So what are the current prices in UAH for P4P in the nightclubs nowadays?
Thanks guys.There is indeed a lot of confusion around the exchange rate. I am regular in Odessa (do not know what the situation in Kiev is) but for before going rate for 1. 5 - 2. 5 hours with a pro from Mamba who will visit you was 800 grn plus taxi which with the old exchange rate (8 grn=1 usd) was about 100 USD. Girls are still available for 800 grn but other are requesting the same 100 USD which is now about 2,400 grn. I guess the girls are still asking the 800 grn as local mongers are not paying in USD.
Odessa really became a cheap place to visit but maybe it will change soon as the restaurants, hotels, clubs and girls get their prices adjusted to the new realities. Just take a look at booking. Com to see how cheap you can get a hotel room in some hotels but others got a lot more expensive. I was in my favorite restaurant on a Monday and they never adjusted the prices in the menu meaning that I got a starter, big steak and chesecake plus 2 beers and coffee for 440 grn which is as little as 14 USD (a few weeks ago the exchange rate was 30 grn=1 usd but now dropped to abiut 24 grn=1 usd) as this was a really bargain I came again the next day but now there was a menu card with adjusted prices and whilst my favorite steak was 220 grn before it was 600 grn.
I see that the prices in the bars and clubs are about the same BUT imported alcohol is the triple price now in grn but about the same as before when counting in USD.
A few words about the clubs in Arkadia and the forthcoming summer: It is true as Crimea is gone Odessa is the only really beach resort in Ukraine now. However, a large part of the visitors were from Russia (and some of them girls who where looking for financing of their parties and vacation in return of services) and I think there will not be many Russians visiting this year.
Another point: Security. It is really a good time to visit Ukraine as you can get a good bargain due to the fluctuation in the exchange rates BUT security is a real issue. In Odessa bombs are maybe not "common" but at least weekly events, political active peoples apartments, army recruitment offices, cargo trains and also the branches of "PrivatBank" is a target (The owner of PrivatBank is a rich man running his own army fighting against the rebels in the East to regain control over his coalmines.) and most scary for me was one time about a month ago when I was leaving and waiting in the airport and suddenly we were evacuated from the terminal as a suspicious device was found. F. Hell. It turned out to be a real bomb but it was placed at one of the private jets always parked on the field and also belonging to one of the olegags. Security is an issue to think about.
I disagree to a certain extent. I have had real relationships with a few women from these parts back in the States. Also, as a younger businessman with extensive travel experiences, Eastern Europe has major differences depending on where you go, IMHO.
I'm generalizing here:
Russian = Can be very racist. Attacks have been known to occur at public places. Still, I don't believe this is as common as people fear.
Belarus = Not racist or really xenophobic, but as a country that hasn't been exposed to a lot of foreigners, they tend to stick to what's familiar.
Ukraine = Very used to foreigners by now, especially when we are talking about Kiev and the major cities.
For the countries mentioned, their citizens are able to travel to most of Asia freely. They are used to the people and culture. Moreover, Japanese businessmen are everywhere in Kiev.
If anything, Turkish people are by far and away the most disliked group of people here. Then it's a toss-up between Indians, Africans and Uzbeks / Tadjiks...No point to go to Thailand to fuck Russians, its $150 an hour to do them, and they are not particularly attractive. If you want Russian / Ukrainian girls, then its better to be there in Russia / Ukraine.
Thanks for the helpful info on Kiev. I'm not a lazy guy, and I enjoy learning about new cultures and languages. I speak 3 different languages myself, so I can add some Russian to the list, well at least some simple words / phrases to show I'm genuinely interested in their country and culture. I'm not the wham and bam monger that tries to cram as much pussy a day as possible. I like to hang out and get to know the girl because it makes for a better experience and connection. A good sense of humor is easily translatable in any culture, so that's my way in. Doesn't always happen that way but it usually does. I've read that there are plenty of girls that can speak ok / decent English, so I might go that route.
Thanks for the Thailand tip, but I like to go to the source rather than to a place that imports the girls I want. Plus, this is as much about mongering as it is discovering a whole new culture / experience far away from home. I will def do my homework as I enjoy the process as much as the end result. I just have to make a decision on summer '15 or wait till next year.Agree with what you say about seeing girls in there native country, the Russian / Ukrainian girls I seen in Bangkok were in a hotel where the 7th floor was dedicated to Russian girls, maybe 20 girls, you walk down the corridor and the doors are all open, you go in and check the girls, but very disappointing. If I were you with the rate being what it is, go now, no point to wait till 2016 who knows what's round the corner. Get in now, fill your boots.
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Can anyone give recommendations were the Kiev streetwalkers are walking the streets.
Thanks friends.
Jelly Donut
03-24-15, 04:27
Can anyone give recommendations were the Kiev streetwalkers are walking the streets.
Thanks friends.There are not too many posts on streetwalkers on this thread. Many of them are a few years old. Often they point out that the street-walking scene in Kiev is comparatively weak.
That said, people have recommended the McDonalds near Gidropark. A couple of people mentioned the bridge near the Hydropark as well. Forum members have pointed to Shevcheko Blvd either at the top of the hill or toward the bottom, depending on who posted the report. Some people have had success on Khreshatic. "Every evening on Khreschatyk St. There were girls to be found". While credible members have also mentioned the police aim to keep working girls off that street. "All those cops you saw, they are there to keep working girls and drunks off Khreshatic. " A couple of posters mentioned the area around the Kyiv Polytechnic Institute and the Kiev Zoo "after passing the 'Victory Avenue' once you past the Shevchenko blvd".
Some travelers have had luck asking a taxi driver to just take them to find street girls.
As you would expect, winter is not a great time to find streetwalkers, you may not have the best luck outside of summer. It seems like many of the places mentioned are not good till around midnight.
As mentioned, nearly all details on street girls on this thread is over a year old and, given recent history, it's likely some of the advice given in the past may no longer hold up today. One poster a few years back suggested Independence Square itself was a good spot to find girls; I'm not sure that would hold up today. In general, reading the posts here, street-walking scene in Kiev is not considered that great. "I wouldn't bother with streetwalkers in Kiev". Often people asking about it are encouraged to check out other options.
"I wouldn't bother with streetwalkers in Kiev". Often people asking about it are encouraged to check out other options.I agree. My best luck has been with Mamba, but then I am hunting funny girls that have more. The GFE is impotent for me, so Mamba and VK gives me that.
So my report from Kiev so far is that is good for hunting, and there is a good chance that you can find a nice 18-22 years that have fun with you.
I have no experience with the MILF's but if you like them there are a lot of them on Mamba.
BR.
OwaRunner.
Frisky2015
03-24-15, 14:51
Can anyone tell me the best way to set up a casual meeting with a girl on Mamba for Kiev.
I am not looking for a relationship, just some fun when I visit.
From experience which is the best way to do this?
By placing an ad or by contacting people direct via their profiles.
Any tried and tested advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
What is the best hotel: Dnipro or Rus hotel?
I am searching for an hotel which will not ask for 'security' $$ to pass a girl in my room as I will most probably invite a Mamba girl to my room.
And if possible a bar where I could pick up a girl in case I am tired to search the last 2 days in the streets or internet.
The 30 to 40 $ per night is a very good deal, if you know other hotels with better girls and no annoyances from bringing external girls just tell me.Stayed at the Dnipro about a month ago. I asked two separate reception desk people if there was any problem having guests up to the room. Both said there was no problem. There is security in the lobby as well as doormen (occasionally) and they never batted an eye when I brought ladies back or on one occasion, two at once.
There is a coffee shop / bar off the lobby. I only once saw a lone lady there in the evening. I stopped and chatted when she smiled and made eye contact, but she was much older than I was interested in trying. The property also houses a strip joint, but I never set foot in it. It has a separate entrance, so no cross traffic from it comes though the hotel.
Location of the Dnipro is excellent, room was just fine, though I did see on Tripadvisor reviews where some people got rooms they didn't like. Breakfast buffet was good, though not outstanding. Some of the people working there had good customer service attitudes and some didn't.
Back in Kiew for only 2 nights at Hilton. New Hotel but guess it's green?
Does anyone know?
Finally back after 1 year but only for 2 nights. So I won't waste time and visit rio (again). If anyone is there and into it, pm me.
UrbanCowboy22
03-28-15, 08:43
Back in Kiew for only 2 nights at Hilton. New Hotel but guess it's green? Anyone knows?The Hilton was green last June for the two nights I stayed. Brought a girl to the lounge & got drinks for an afternoon delight. Took another girl to the pool & jacuzzi. Lots of fun but unfortunately they have cameras so it wasn't as much fun as it could have been.
After 2 years, finally have time to visit Kiev again. Will be there in the late April for one week.
Plan to setup a VIP mamba account to hunt, and also will visit Rio.
Just wonder if anyone has phone number for any English speaking taxi driver. Please PM me if you know such information. Based on my experience in Cambodia, a good taxi driver will be very useful.
BTW, is there anyone who ever hired a local university student as interpreter (purely interpreter, not for sex)?
After one year back in Kiew.
So many posts here regarding prices. So let me tell you that the price to take out a girl from Rio is double the price in griwna. One year ago it was 3. 000 griwna, now it is 6. 000 griwna. Which is 220 euro and a little bit less than one year ago.
The prices for drinks stayed the same, at least I guess so as I drinked and payed the same as always. Taxis around Kreshatyk charges between 100 and 200 griwna, so increased as well.
Have been to a very good Italian restaurant Piccolino and paid 5. 500 griwna for 4 people, having 3 courses and 4 bottles of very good red wine as well as many other drinks. This is so cheap, unbelivable.
Hotels are still too expensive (better to take apartment). Stayed at new Hilton, good Hotel very close to Rio. On the other hand a one way from Hotel to Podol with S-Class was only 15 Euro! So those prices are low as well.
So at the end it is mixed feeling about Kiew right now. Some things have gotten way much cheaper as other things increased extremly.
Stayd only 2 days and will be back in May. Let's see what happens next.
Notes from recent visit.
If you have not been here before and do not speak Russia don't expect any concessions to the English language. Outside the tourist service there are few for non Russian speakers-but you can get by. After all you are here to shag not address the nation. The old Russian communist mentality is still evident in quite a few places, even some young people have it and you may see that resentful grimace from time to time when they are put out and don't want to help. Mainly though, the natives are friendly, engaging and pleasant and try hard and the dollar of course has a charming effect. As remarked elsewhere, the girls are well turned out and mainly slim tall and handsome and well educated without our Victorian sex hangups and somehow managing to present a positive and optimistic world view. The mentality I found was open decent and sensible. Refreshing after the slovenly overfed complex and careless western women I seem to meet all the time.
If you stay at Partner Guest House beware the glass walled toilets at 15 and 17 kreschatic apartments-impossible for lady guests in an open plan studio to do their business in front of you on view through the glass wall. I also nearly broke my nose forgetting the glass wall was there. The Partner service very patchy with long waits for keys and handovers-an under-staffing problem. Expect around £30 pn and crap non working TV in the rooms although wi-fi is fine and the modern apts on Baseina are very nice and convenient. Internet searching gives leads to a plethora of taxi-proximate parlours-girls all good value in my experience but generally hand job or light lesbi couples on site-eg Dolly or Allure. Although it is easy to spot where more is on offer eg see Relax portal. Two girls from Allure 1800 uah for a pleasant hour where they kiss each other and wank you off. Two Dolly girls at your appt doing the same 2500 uah. Night clubs do take away at western prices $200 or 500 uah for a private dance out the back. No open flies, just stroking, rubbing and touching of her naked loveliness. 50 uah tip for a five minute lap dance in the club. But you get the girl you want with no unpleasant bait and switch surprises. Which in my experience is always the case with Top Modals. Prices now half that of a couple of years ago so eat out is cheap (so you can treat yourself to cheap fine dining eg Mocco in Kreschatic Passage, with a huge menu of really good healthy stuff-no ready meal type microwaved rubbish here) -as are bits and pieces in shops. Although who comes to shop anyway. For sad single middle aged men this is a lifetime chance to find a genuinely nice girl that you could never have in the west. Do some unhappy trapped massage girl a favour and rescue her from a life of unappreciated drudgery in some salon in a corrupt and vulnerable country. Get her a visa and bring her back. Even if it lasts just a few years you will have had a nice pick me up for your ego. Read my earlier reports for more background.
Nb don't forget to carry your passport if wandering around late at night and bring two pin adapters for electrics.
I tried the salon Moulin Rouge last week.
It has a well-organized website, with lots of girls, quite a few attractive-looking ones. It even has a map of its approximate location on the website and the price per hour is only 1000 UAH.
The facilities were nice and clean, no windows in rooms. As soon as I entered to salon was offered tea, coffee and water. Nice looking blonde grabbed my hand and asked me to follow her. She took me to large room and asked me to wait there. After few minutes 8 girls lined up. It was really tough to choose one since 3 of them was model looking. I ended up picking the girl who greeted me. She gave me towel and took me to the shower. After some shower together we went to the bedroom. She gave me great massage and since I speak Russian we had great chat. I talked her giving BBBJ which is not the part of service this salon offers. After great BBBJ with CIM she laid next to me and we chatted more. I gave her 500 UAH for great time and extra service and asked for her phone number and she gave it to me. I met with this girl again yesterday in restaurant and she spent all night with me in my apartment. She didn't ask for money I just gave her 3000 UAH.
I'm not a big salon guy but this particular place is worth of visiting.
I have been in Ukraine so many times and visit Kiev every month. Based on my experience would like to suggest few things:
1. Rent apartment. I usually stay in same apartment in center with a great view to Maidan square for 50 $ per night. It's a beautiful apartment with jacuzzi and king size bed. I stayed in Fairmont, Intercontinental and Premier Palace in the past and can say for sure apartment is better and more privacy.
2. Find a local friends. I speak Russian fluently, but I found local friends extremely helpful. With local guy everything (cab, restaurant, bar) is cheaper, they know city very well, they can help you to meet girls and invite you to their parties.
3. Try to avoid places like Rio. It's overpriced and overrated.
4. Visit local bars, dance and karaoke clubs.
5. Dating websites (mamba, vk and etc) also helpful to meet girls, just be strait-forward and tell them who you're looking for.
6. Massage salons also helpful, if you're nice with the girl you can get her phone number and can meet with her later in your place.
7. Don't take a cab on the street, it will be more expensive especially if you don't speak Russian or Ukrainian. Instead use taxi phone services.
8. Try to be regular in local restaurants, bars and become friend with waiting staff. They can help you to meet with ladies.
If you have any questions let me know I will gladly answer them. I'm also willing to share my ladies contacts if you will do the same.
TheWhatever
04-01-15, 14:35
I have been in Ukraine so many times and visit Kiev every month. Based on my experience would like to suggest few things:
1. Rent apartment. I usually stay in same apartment in center with a great view to Maidan square for 50 $ per night. It's a beautiful apartment with jacuzzi and king size bed. I stayed in Fairmont, Intercontinental and Premier Palace in the past and can say for sure apartment is better and more privacy.
2. Find a local friends. I speak Russian fluently, but I found local friends extremely helpful. With local guy everything (cab, restaurant, bar) is cheaper, they know city very well, they can help you to meet girls and invite you to their parties.
3. Try to avoid places like Rio. It's overpriced and overrated.
4. Visit local bars, dance and karaoke clubs.
5. Dating websites (mamba, vk and etc) also helpful to meet girls, just be strait-forward and tell them who you're looking for.
6. Massage salons also helpful, if you're nice with the girl you can get her phone number and can meet with her later in your place.
7. Don't take a cab on the street, it will be more expensive especially if you don't speak Russian or Ukrainian. Instead use taxi phone services.
8. Try to be regular in local restaurants, bars and become friend with waiting staff. They can help you to meet with ladies.
If you have any questions let me know I will gladly answer them. I'm also willing to share my ladies contacts if you will do the same.Thanks for the info, if I go there I will have a room at Dnipro then.
About Mamba: Girls who are not in the 'sex' option can also be there for escort?
When I choose 'sex' in the search option I only get 3 to 6 girls max and many are ugly (or simply not my type).
Too bad I can't choose the English language spoken option in the free registration.
Thanks for the info, if I go there I will have a room at Dnipro then.
..... Too bad I can't choose the English language spoken option in the free registration.What?! Is Dnipro apartment bureau? Somebody just adviced us to rent apartment, and the first thing I read is something about a hotel! Sometimes advice on this forum is useless. Like throwing pearls for pigs. And then, using Mamba (and this forum) without full registration is like typing your messages with mittens on both hands. But this is not the real problem, like the danger of a total or partial collapse of secure travel to Ukraine and back. I would not organise a visit with more than a weeks notice. Beware.
I have been in Ukraine so many times and visit Kiev every month. Based on my experience would like to suggest few things:
1. Rent apartment. I usually stay in same apartment in center with a great view to Maidan square for 50 $ per night. It's a beautiful apartment with jacuzzi and king size bed. I stayed in Fairmont, Intercontinental and Premier Palace in the past and can say for sure apartment is better and more privacy.
2. Find a local friends. I speak Russian fluently, but I found local friends extremely helpful. With local guy everything (cab, restaurant, bar) is cheaper, they know city very well, they can help you to meet girls and invite you to their parties.
1: Do you have a link to this apartment?
2: Where do you find a local? I find it hard that any dude knows the information I am looking for. I have been I Kiev, and you have to work to get the girls, I don't speak Russian so a local can be a good help.
BR.
OwaRunner.
Thanks for the info, if I go there I will have a room at Dnipro then.
About Mamba: Girls who are not in the 'sex' option can also be there for escort?
When I choose 'sex' in the search option I only get 3 to 6 girls max and many are ugly (or simply not my type).
Too bad I can't choose the English language spoken option in the free registration.Dnipro isn't bad hotel. My friends stayed there few times. Again, I prefer to stay in apartments. More space, more privacy and cheaper. I use airbnb and dobovo.
Don't worry about choosing search option. I usually ask them who are they looking for. Just keep in mind not many girls speak English.
Traveler78
04-02-15, 14:27
First thanks to everyone who are going to share these tips for new Kiev visitors, they have helped me lot already.
So I know how to brothels work but mamba is new thing to me. So that why I wanted to ask few things:
So I chat with mamba girls and they are willing to see me so which point I ask how much I should give them? Do you ask it straight in the chat or like casually if we talk other things?
Yes there is that option too that girl will come to my apartment, and I ask about costs or we don't talk about money and after few hours when she is leaving I give him money. But personally I don't like this one because she can expect more money that I am willing to pay.
I have read least 50 last pages of this conversation so I know how much I should pay.
First thanks to everyone who are going to share these tips for new Kiev visitors, they have helped me lot already.
So I know how to brothels work but mamba is new thing to me. So that why I wanted to ask few things:
So I chat with mamba girls and they are willing to see me so which point I ask how much I should give them? Do you ask it straight in the chat or like casually if we talk other things?
Yes there is that option too that girl will come to my apartment, and I ask about costs or we don't talk about money and after few hours when she is leaving I give him money. But personally I don't like this one because she can expect more money that I am willing to pay.
I have read least 50 last pages of this conversation so I know how much I should pay.If the girl you were chatting with has already announced and clearly stated in your conversations that she will meet with you only for money, then you know she is a prostitute or semi-pro girl. If she has not stated an amount, it should not be your worry. She is using her time and effort to come meet you. If she comes to meet you only to find out that you are only willing to pay 800 UAH, or some other amount of your choosing, and that amount is too low for her, and she only wants a much higher amount, which you are not prepared to pay, then you will be at an impasse and she has wasted her time in coming to meet you. Therefore, any such girl will certainly make sure to tell you how much she wants from you before she comes to see you, because she doesn't want her time to be wasted.
This leads me to suspect that the girl you have been chatting with, who has agreed to come meet you for a normal date, and has not said she is coming for sex, and has not told you anything about how much money she wants, may be a normal girl, and not a prostitute girl who wants money for sex.
If a girl you have been chatting with on mamba has not ever mentioned that she wants any money from you, and has agreed to meet you for a date, how do you know she is a prostitute? Is it your assumption that all Ukrainian girls are prostitutes who want money for sex? What do you think will happen if she is a normal girl, and not a professional prostitute or even a semi-pro girl, and she has agreed to meet you for a normal date, and then you ask her "how much money do you want for sex"? What would be the reaction of any normal girl in any country, including Ukraine? Do you doubt she will take grave offense and react to your question with disgust and revulsion?
All I can say is that you must be sure that she wants money from you for sex, before you open up your mouth to say your brilliant question.
My practice has always been to never mention money for sex, until after the girl mentions it. Until that point in time, I pursue the matter as if she is a normal girl and I am interested in normal dating with her, which as always may lead to sex at some point, after an uncertain number of dates. I do not bring up sex in our conversations because I do not want her to label me as a sex tourist. Some veterans have even warned against joking and humor about sex, because it risks making you sound too hungry for sex, and being labelled as a sex tourist.
If a girl wants money, it is her responsibility to bring up that issue and say it. Only after she has said that she will meet with me on the basis of economic assistance, or some other euphemism for getting money, or simply states that she needs financial help, do I understand that she may be a prostitute or semi-pro willing to give sex for money. Then it can be discussed without fear of offending a normal girl.
I follow this same approach when meeting girls anywhere, in bars, in dance clubs, in shopping malls or on the street. I always let the girl be the first one to mention money. Otherwise, I proceed as if she were a normal date, and like any guy, I am trying to get her into bed as soon as it seems possible. And if sex happens, it is normal sex as between people dating who like each other. If I want to give her a gift, even a gift of money to help her out, I may do so, not because I must, but because I want to, she never asked for any money and gave herself to me out of friendship and mutual attraction, so a gift is generally appreciated. And if she asks for money before a date, then I understand where she is coming from, and just want to make sure she understands I am happy to help a girl financially who likes me and is my friend and lover. I have yet to meet a girl who wants money for sex, who does not make sure to secure agreement on the amount she will receive before she makes the effort to come to meet me.
I think this approach makes sense. Don't you?
Good luck,
LJ
Traveler78
04-02-15, 16:59
That did solve that problem (no money mentioned in any way in chat with that girl) and I think that your answer will help others as well if they are in same grey are not knowing how proceed.
I think this approach makes sense. Don't you?
Good luck,
LJThank you LilJoey for putting respectful behave to print, I needed that.
BR.
Owarunner.
Makes sense LJ! Actually I just had a conversation on mamba with one of those girls. When I asked her if we can meet for a coffee, she only replied: USD 60. Then I answered: no thank you, I would never meet for coffee for mones. Then she replied: I mean for sex! Haha. So funny. Whatever, in these countries you are never save.
If the girl you were chatting with has already announced and clearly stated in your conversations that she will meet with you only for money, then you know she is a prostitute or semi-pro girl. If she has not stated an amount, it should not be your worry. She is using her time and effort to come meet you. If she comes to meet you only to find out that you are only willing to pay 800 UAH, or some other amount of your choosing, and that amount is too low for her, and she only wants a much higher amount, which you are not prepared to pay, then you will be at an impasse and she has wasted her time in coming to meet you. Therefore, any such girl will certainly make sure to tell you how much she wants from you before she comes to see you, because she doesn't want her time to be wasted.
This leads me to suspect that the girl you have been chatting with, who has agreed to come meet you for a normal date, and has not said she is coming for sex, and has not told you anything about how much money she wants, may be a normal girl, and not a prostitute girl who wants money for sex...
If the girl you were chatting with has already announced and clearly stated in your conversations that she will meet with you only for money, then you know she is a prostitute or semi-pro girl. If she has not stated an amount, it should not be your worry. She is using her time and effort to come meet you. If she comes to meet you only to find out that you are only willing to pay 800 UAH, or some other amount of your choosing, and that amount is too low for her, and she only wants a much higher amount, which you are not prepared to pay, then you will be at an impasse and she has wasted her time in coming to meet you. Therefore, any such girl will certainly make sure to tell you how much she wants from you before she comes to see you, because she doesn't want her time to be wasted.
Otherwise, I proceed as if she were a normal date, and like any guy, I am trying to get her into bed as soon as it seems possible. And if sex happens, it is normal sex as between people dating who like each other. If I want to give her a gift, even a gift of money to help her out, I may do so, not because I must, but because I want to, she never asked for any money and gave herself to me out of friendship and mutual attraction, so a gift is generally appreciated. And if she asks for money before a date, then I understand where she is coming from, and just want to make sure she understands I am happy to help a girl financially who likes me and is my friend and lover. I have yet to meet a girl who wants money for sex, who does not make sure to secure agreement on the amount she will receive before she makes the effort to come to meet me.
I think this approach makes sense. Don't you?
Good luck,
LJWell said.
NightOwl69
04-05-15, 16:20
A little disappointment.
Arrived around 7 pm and was tired but decided to check out Rio anyway, got to rio around 10 PM had my dinner and drink. Most of the girls there were little over wait to my taste and average looking, there were some very nice but they either speak no english at all or they would like to comeback with me as long as we don't have sex. So I passed on their offer and called it a night. Got back to the apartment and couldn't sleep so I ordered a massage, 30 min later a very nice looking masseuse arrived got a very nice sensual 1:30 hour massage for 800 UAH that ended my day and sent me to bed with a smile.
Gia or don't let Johnny take the driver seat.
Around 3 pm I decided to call Gia as the Russian page has reasonable prices, so I called and booked a girl for four hours and was checking the price is 4500 UAH for the four hour and I was told no its was $300, I said your site says its 4500 UAH. You shouldn't use the Russian site (I was told), why? I asked. Because its in Russian. Anyway after a min or so of the same conversation I decided to hang up. I know foreigner are charged higher than locals but when you double the price for the exact same service that is a bet much. Few min latter I got a call back from Gia and I was told the girl agreed to come for the "Russian" price. So she came 4 hours for 4500 UAH. Was very sweet and sexy girl and I had a great time with her. I am so glad I didn't listen to my little head.
Rio or Japanese happens for those who wait.
Wanted to give Rio a second try got there had some Sushi and there were this very nice cute girl dancing, so I asked her for privet.
In privet she turned out to be as horny as hell, by the second song she was fingering herself, DFK so I asked her to keep going for a second dance. Well as she was already stripped naked she thought its my turn, by the middle of the second dance my shirt was off and she was alternating between fingering herself and dripping on my chest, so I told her to keep going, few songs went by she had already came and was trying to give me a hand job (with my trousers on) so I declined (it wouldn't look good coming out of privet room with wet trousers. I was sure she is my catch for the night so I asked her to come to my table for a drink (where I would ask her to come back with me to my apartment). On her way to my table she was told by the floor manager she is needed for privet with this Japanese guy (that reads bigger wallet and smaller dick). Few min latter she came apologising and telling me she feels so bad because she can't come to the table as she is busy, asked if she will be free later and I was told she is buys for the night. So if you ever like some one don't wait and make your move.
Mamba.
I had few mamba contacts before I get to Kiev text one of them to come over she said she is busy and will call me later. So I texted another and she came over. She was very sweet girl (few extra ponds). She spent few hours with me. About half way through the meeting the other one called and said she is free, I told her I am a little busy and asked if I can call in an hour or so, she hanged up, deleted her mamba account and that was that. Well. So I spent few hours with the one already with me give her 2000 UAH she was happy with it. As it was my last night I packed and went to bed early to go to Odessa. (you can read about it in Odessa section).
Cheers.
Hang over and bored because it's 03:00 pm and still 6 hrs until the clubs going to open. So I walked to Salon Dolly (new location! Check webpage). Still good as I used to as they speak good English and answer phone right away. When I came there were 4 girls. 2 very fat and not really nice. One with a cute face but a little over weight. So I took the fourth one: Olya! Beautiful face and a perfect body! Almost an 8! 60 Minutes for 450 Griwna, which is 20 USD. She tried to do her best but it was not very nice massage. When she finished she looked somewhere else, so I asked her to turn around. Haha, I want to see the beautiful face. She did but was very shy. At the end absolutely OK as only 20 USD. For another 70 griwna they come to your hotel but I prefer to go there so I can see what I get.
Funny I had the same experience as you last week and this week (I came back to Kiev, I am an idiot). Rio right now is mid and low lever of girls! Too many over weight girls and only some nice ones which wouldn't go to me to hotel. Reason like always: red days! Haha. I did a mistake and came twice for a weekend. I noticed that the girls are during the week are way better. Don't ask me why. Probably because on the weekend they don't need to work. I tried Mandarin (free one way ride from Rio!) but there the same. No good girls.
I tried Gia as well and got Milana, she was over weight and not really good. And I paid the Western Price! Not the one from the English side. Rip off.
Restaurants, Massage Place (for instance Dolly), etc. Is very cheap right now as they stick to the Ukraine prices. But Hotels, Rio, Taxi etc. Is double price these days. Not really nice.
A little disappointment.
Arrived around 7 pm and was tired but decided to check out Rio anyway, got to rio around 10 PM had my dinner and drink. Most of the girls there were little over wait to my taste and average looking, there were some very nice but they either speak no english at all or they would like to comeback with me as long as we don't have sex. So I passed on their offer and called it a night. Got back to the apartment and couldn't sleep so I ordered a massage, 30 min later a very nice looking masseuse arrived got a very nice sensual 1:30 hour massage for 800 UAH that ended my day and sent me to bed with a smile.
Gia or don't let Johnny take the driver seat.
Around 3 pm I decided to call Gia as the Russian page has reasonable prices, so I called and booked a girl for four hours and was checking the price is 4500 UAH for the four hour and I was told no its was $300, I said your site says its 4500 UAH. You shouldn't use the Russian site (I was told), why? I asked. Because its in Russian. Anyway after a min or so of the same conversation I decided to hang up. I know foreigner are charged higher than locals but when you double the price for the exact same service that is a bet much. Few min latter I got a call back from Gia and I was told the girl agreed to come for the "Russian" price. So she came 4 hours for 4500 UAH. Was very sweet and sexy girl and I had a great time with her. I am so glad I didn't listen to my little head...
Ukraine's troubled and violent political situation is both serious and unfortunate. However, it raises just one question in my mind: which government is going to bring back River Palace, aka The Boat? I was wondering how many posters here remember it.
Following its closure a few years ago I cannot think of a decent venue (other than strip clubs) with such a wide selection of girls on a 'WYSIWYG' basis.
I was last in Kiev in May 2013. Last I knew Buddha bar, then Vodka bar on Maidan were the 'new' pseudo RPs. Any good nowadays for (semi) pros?
I will go to Kiev two weeks later. From you post, it seems that the situation is not so good need to collect as many mamba contacts as possible in the next two weeks.
Did you try Dolls? I just hope that the level of girls in Dolls will be better than that in Rio.
A little disappointment.
Arrived around 7 pm and was tired but decided to check out Rio anyway, got to rio around 10 PM had my dinner and drink. Most of the girls there were little over wait to my taste and average looking, there were some very nice but they either speak no english at all or they would like to comeback with me as long as we don't have sex. So I passed on their offer and called it a night. Got back to the apartment and couldn't sleep so I ordered a massage, 30 min later a very nice looking masseuse arrived got a very nice sensual 1:30 hour massage for 800 UAH that ended my day and sent me to bed with a smile.
Gia or don't let Johnny take the driver seat.
Around 3 pm I decided to call Gia as the Russian page has reasonable prices, so I called and booked a girl for four hours and was checking the price is 4500 UAH for the four hour and I was told no its was $300, I said your site says its 4500 UAH. You shouldn't use the Russian site (I was told), why? I asked. Because its in Russian. Anyway after a min or so of the same conversation I decided to hang up. I know foreigner are charged higher than locals but when you double the price for the exact same service that is a bet much. Few min latter I got a call back from Gia and I was told the girl agreed to come for the "Russian" price. So she came 4 hours for 4500 UAH. Was very sweet and sexy girl and I had a great time with her. I am so glad I didn't listen to my little head.
Rio or Japanese happens for those who wait.
Wanted to give Rio a second try got there had some Sushi and there were this very nice cute girl dancing, so I asked her for privet..
NightOwl69
04-06-15, 11:02
I will go to Kiev two weeks later. From you post, it seems that the situation is not so good need to collect as many mamba contacts as possible in the next two weeks.
Did you try Dolls? I just hope that the level of girls in Dolls will be better than that in Rio.
I will go to Kiev two weeks later. From you post, it seems that the situation is not so good need to collect as many mamba contacts as possible in the next two weeks.I think it wouldn't make any difference, I had over 20 contacts from mamba and I didn't see any of them once there. I called few numbers and I got an agency, other semi / normal or semi / pro had other things to do (going to another country, working, .).
The once I got to see from mamba were contacted in there and the deal was sealed in few messages. Lots of the contacts I had were deleted.
I guess some girls get a mamba account for a day or two when they want some cash. In my opinion the way to use mamba for a short trip is send few messages during your morning coffee and which ever one respond first that would be your day time snack.
I had over 200 messages with some girls and nothing came of it, on the other hand here are two correspondence of girls that I have seen.
(- very sexy. Want to meet?
- meet 600 grwn. You in Kiew?
- I am in Odessa but flying to Kiev in an hour. Will be in Kiev this afternoon.
- ok. 063 *).
The other was even shorter conversation.
(- You are very sexy want to fuck.
- : Yes $.
- Great.
-: 09*.
So I guess you can't depend on mamba, it works like slot machine (or **** machine), I give it few min in the morning and if any one replay I get notification on my phone.
I didn't go to dolly, maybe I will in my next trip in two months.
Cheers.
I think it wouldn't make any difference, I had over 20 contacts from mamba and I didn't see any of them once there. I called few numbers and I got an agency, other semi / normal or semi / pro had other things to do (going to another country, working, .).
The once I got to see from mamba were contacted in there and the deal was sealed in few messages. Lots of the contacts I had were deleted.
I guess some girls get a mamba account for a day or two when they want some cash. In my opinion the way to use mamba for a short trip is send few messages during your morning coffee and which ever one respond first that would be your day time snack.
I had over 200 messages with some girls and nothing came of it, on the other hand here are two correspondence of girls that I have seen.
(- very sexy. Want to meet?
- meet 600 grwn. You in Kiew?
- I am in Odessa but flying to Kiev in an hour. Will be in Kiev this afternoon..Hi Night Owl,
If possible can we have the web address of the Apartment you stayed at Kiev during your visit and the massage saloon where the girls were sent to your Apartment.
Ukraine's troubled and violent political situation is both serious and unfortunate. However, it raises just one question in my mind: which government is going to bring back River Palace, aka The Boat? I was wondering how many posters here remember it.
Following its closure a few years ago I cannot think of a decent venue (other than strip clubs) with such a wide selection of girls on a 'WYSIWYG' basis.
I was last in Kiev in May 2013. Last I knew Buddha bar, then Vodka bar on Maidan were the 'new' pseudo RPs. Any good nowadays for (semi) pros?First night I landed in Kiev Sept2009 I headed to River Palace and kept going there until it got towed away, Chatted with the girls bought them drinks tipped that big fat manager very well although I didn't need to, But I not once took a girl out for the night. Here's how I did it.
Got their phone numbers and asked them to meet me during happy hours between 5-7 pm for US $100 as I didn't like sex late at night.
The ones who were asking $200/300 were very happy with the arrangement of $ 100 for an hour or so and it suited me fine as it gave me more time and flexibility to juggle other girls.
There was no way I would pay US $300 for a girl in Kiev when I only want her for one hour anyway.
River Palace and Help Club in Rio were 2 of the best clubs in the world for the sheer variety&looks of girls. Sadly both closed.
Met 2 ex River Palace girls in the Cocktail Bar next to The Australian Pub on Soi 11 Bangkok of all places in the world. From conversation I gathered they were working for Russian pimps there. Some things never change as they were still looking for the same magic price of US $ 300 for few hours.
I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
For me the best gems to be found in Kiev were and still are in Massage Salons, if you have the time.
Read Limarian's excellent report. I guess he liked them so much he wants to whisk them away to a better life in the west http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev/page2.
"For sad single middle aged men this is a lifetime chance to find a genuinely nice girl that you could never have in the west. Do some unhappy trapped massage girl a favour and rescue her from a life of unappreciated drudgery in some salon in a corrupt and vulnerable country. Get her a visa and bring her back. Even if it lasts just a few years you will have had a nice pick me up for your ego."
NightOwl69
04-06-15, 17:51
Hi Night Owl,
If possible can we have the web address of the Apartment you stayed at Kiev during your visit and the massage saloon where the girls were sent to your Apartment.I stayed at Kievinn they are in booking.com or their own website. As for massage check out http://relax-master.kiev.ua/ its a list of most Kiev massage salons, some with website and some with just phone no. When you order to your apartment its merely a mater of luck of the quality of what you might get.
Cheers.
First night I landed in Kiev Sept2009 I headed to River Palace and kept going there until it got towed away, Chatted with the girls bought them drinks tipped that big fat manager very well although I didn't need to, But I not once took a girl out for the night. Here's how I did it.
Got their phone numbers and asked them to meet me during happy hours between 5-7 pm for US $100 as I didn't like sex late at night.
The ones who were asking $200/300 were very happy with the arrangement of $ 100 for an hour or so and it suited me fine as it gave me more time and flexibility to juggle other girls.
There was no way I would pay US $300 for a girl in Kiev when I only want her for one hour anyway.
River Palace and Help Club in Rio were 2 of the best clubs in the world for the sheer variety&looks of girls. Sadly both closed.
I too was sad when River Palace was towed away. The first time and only time I made it there, I was picked up within 5 minutes of me checking my coat in at the office of the fat guy. Not knowing any better, I paid the full $ 300 to take a girl back to my apartment. She did stay for about 3 hours, so an average of $ 100/ HR. She was a really sexy gal with the firmest set of natural see's. We had a really memorable time, but her pimp kept calling her on her cellphone and killed the mood towards the end of the session. She finally left my place at around 4 in the morning. River Palace was definitely a buyer's market. I was hoping to return to Kiev to refine my negotiating skills, but by the time I made it back to Kiev, RP was no more. Fortunately, Rio was available as a temporary stop gap. The Mandarin Cabaret offered up some good clean entertainment and some pretty girls for lap dances, but in no way does it compare. Nowadays, I just keep working the Mamba pages and taking the rejection in stride. Sometimes you do get lucky and find a good gal. They have removed many of the nude photos off the site, so it takes a bit longer to determine which girl is a pro. Recently, a contact gave me a number which led to an escort agency. http://www.escort-gallery.com/escorts/713, so be warned. Oh, how I miss RP. For some reason, the girls are not in good mood and will cut you off mid-conversation. My recommendation to the forum members is to make a few contacts before your visit and aggressively work the Mamba boards while in Kiev. They will answer you, especially when the rent is due. Too bad you have to sift through the pile of fake profiles.
All the best!
FiddyCent.
I really like your comment mamba works " like slot machine (or * machine)" .
Just as you said, the turn over rate of mamba is really high and 2 weeks before may be too early.
BTW, could you tell us which taxi company / taxi driver you used this time in Kiev?
I think it wouldn't make any difference, I had over 20 contacts from mamba and I didn't see any of them once there. I called few numbers and I got an agency, other semi / normal or semi / pro had other things to do (going to another country, working, .).
The once I got to see from mamba were contacted in there and the deal was sealed in few messages. Lots of the contacts I had were deleted.
I guess some girls get a mamba account for a day or two when they want some cash. In my opinion the way to use mamba for a short trip is send few messages during your morning coffee and which ever one respond first that would be your day time snack.
I had over 200 messages with some girls and nothing came of it, on the other hand here are two correspondence of girls that I have seen.
(- very sexy. Want to meet?
- meet 600 grwn. You in Kiew?
- I am in Odessa but flying to Kiev in an hour. Will be in Kiev this afternoon..
I stayed at Kievinn they are in booking.com
Cheers.What type of apartment did you rent? I am looking at this one here, Luxury Studio with Sauna & Jaccuzi, UAH 1800 a night https://www.kievinn.ua/apartments.html.
Thanks in advance for any feedback on the building& its management, security, reception. Did it live up to its positive reviews on Tripadvisor?
In the past I've always stayed at Kreschatick hotel round the corner with its very good location & restaurants, Bar and room service. Of course Buddha bar is there as well where I didn't even bother try to pick up any girl from there.
http://www.hotel-khreschatyk.kiev.ua/en/restaurants-and-bars
River Palace and Help Club in Rio were 2 of the best clubs in the world for the sheer variety&looks of girls. Sadly both closed.Of course I meant Help Club in Rio De Janiero http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/aug/17/rio-help-nightclub-closure. .
I read this guy has written on Help Club, Rio " Thaddeus Blanchette, a north American anthropologist who has written extensively on the club, said closing it would not reduce levels of sex tourism but would make the prostitutes' lives "more complicated and, ultimately, dangerous".
Anyone written a book on River Palace?
LOL Help is now at hand in Rio Strip Club, Kiev.
I wonder if some aspiring entrepreneurs could gather some of the ex River Palace & Help Club Girls and open a new Floating Global Club with a Median price reflecting the present looks & ages of the girls.
In the interest or research for my next Mongering trip to Kiev, this link jogged my memory on the Irish Pub O Brien. I was lucky there once picking up 2 semi pros for $100 for few hours.
Its a good place to hang out and meet girls who can speak a bit of English.
As so often in Easter European cities the Irish pubs are the favourite hangouts of pro and semi-pro girls who are hunting expats. O Brien's is such a bar in Kiev where you can usually meet good looking local ladies, sometimes professional golddiggers. O Brien's is located on Mykhailivska street 17 a, very close to Independence Square (Maidan) in the heart of Kiev.
Another great pub offering good opportunities to meet Kiev girls is the Hairy Lemon on Lesi Ukrainky Boulevard 34. The Hairy Lemon is always busy and offers a lot of entertainment like casino games, billiards, football and on top of it delicious snacks and cocktails. One of Kiev's most popular places with expats is the Golden Gate, an Irish pub on 15 Zolotovoritska street. Golden Gate is supposed to be a good pick-up place since it is visited also by Kiev girls who are wiling to meet foreigners.A good guide to the clubs in Kiev and what to expect, But of course things do change,.
http://www.slavic-companions.com/city-guides/ukraine/kiev-kyiv-nightlife
TheWhatever
04-07-15, 20:17
So I am planning a 4 days travel to Kiev but I need some infos.
I saw that airplane ticket + hotel dnipro or Podol Plaza or Black Sea Hotel for example will cost me between 650 and 700 $.
These hotels are really good for the price.
How much should I count for food (restaurants), transports, souvenirs, and 4 escorts (one each day).
All in all how much should be my budget apart the hotel and airplane ticket prices?
Can I do all inclusive under 1000 $?
Podol Plaza, Black Sea Hotel is girl friendly?
In the interest or research for my next Mongering trip to Kiev, this link jogged my memory on the Irish Pub O Brien. I was lucky there once picking up 2 semi pros for $100 for few hours.
Its a good place to hang out and meet girls who can speak a bit of English.
A good guide to the clubs in Kiev and what to expect, But of course things do change,.
http://www.slavic-companions.com/city-guides/ukraine/kiev-kyiv-nightlifeI agree Jojosun. O'Brien's is a good ex-pat pub. Moderate prices and pretty waitresses who speak decent English. I must have had dinner too early because I did not see any working girls there. The Kotleta po Kyivski is to die for.
FiddyCent.
Hi,
Just going to be in Kiev for a few hours. Any good tips for a salon to check out midday?
Thanks
NightOwl69
04-08-15, 09:32
What type of apartment did you rent? I am looking at this one here, Luxury Studio with Sauna & Jaccuzi, UAH 1800 a night https://www.kievinn.ua/apartments.html.
Thanks in advance for any feedback on the building& its management, security, reception. Did it live up to its positive reviews on Tripadvisor?
In the past I've always stayed at Kreschatick hotel round the corner with its very good location & restaurants, Bar and room service. Of course Buddha bar is there as well where I didn't even bother try to pick up any girl from there.
http://www.hotel-khreschatyk.kiev.ua/en/restaurants-and-barsFunny, its the exact same apartment I had but it was for 1200 UAH, prices were adjusted after I booked. Service and security is as good as tripadvisor say it is, they are very helpful and they know how to turn blind eye for what ever you do. The only thing (might be annoying to some and good thing to others) if you call a girl to come to you you have to come down and get her, they don't let the girls to walk up to your apartment.
BigSean.
I didn't use a taxi company just few driver I hailed in the street. I know I overpaid every time (by choice) because I thought if the price is even duple what I paied my last visit (over a year ago) I am still paying less in $ count. Most of the taxi driver I got speak good english and all of them offered to take me to where girls are. I have some phone numbers of driver. One of them asked me to pass his number to friends visiting Kiev- so if you want I can DM it to you. I didn't use the taxi drivers for more than driving as I was in very short stay, I am back to Kiev in June so I might use other services they offer and report back here.
Cheers.
Funny, its the exact same apartment I had but it was for 1200 UAH, prices were adjusted after I booked. Service and security is as good as tripadvisor say it is, they are very helpful and they know how to turn blind eye for what ever you do. The only thing (might be annoying to some and good thing to others) if you call a girl to come to you you have to come down and get her, they don't let the girls to walk up to your apartment.Thanks NightOwl for the info. Good job girls aren't allowed to come up to the apartment. . At Kreschatick Hotel I did my speed interviewing of the girls in the lobby. The ones I didn't like were off on their way with a UAH 50 Taxi Money.
I agree Jojosun. O'Brien's is a good ex-pat pub. Moderate prices and pretty waitresses who speak decent English. I must have had dinner too early because I did not see any working girls there. The Kotleta po Kyivski is to die for.
FiddyCent.Hi FiddyCent,
These places are usually frequented by semi pros, financially embarrassed students, etc and not working girls, pros as we know them, so maybe the usual signs would be missing. The 2 girls I picked up there were 2 students who were out to get tanked up and get money on the side.
Arena on the ground level is another good place.
So I am planning a 4 days travel to Kiev but I need some infos.
I saw that airplane ticket + hotel dnipro or Podol Plaza or Black Sea Hotel for example will cost me between 650 and 700 $.
These hotels are really good for the price.
How much should I count for food (restaurants), transports, souvenirs, and 4 escorts (one each day).
All in all how much should be my budget apart the hotel and airplane ticket prices?
Can I do all inclusive under 1000 $?
Podol Plaza, Black Sea Hotel is girl friendly?How long a is a piece of string? LOL.
OK. Here we go in answer to your questions re food, transport, escorts. . Souvenirs? You take back home one escort, How is that as a souvenir and mongering trophy?
For everything else look here as a guide only as prices are not set in stone.
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=Ukraine&city=Kiev.
Restaurants.
Range.
Meal, Inexpensive Restaurant 5. 06 $.
4. 21.
6. 46.
Meal for 2, Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course 24.77 $.
19.35.
32.41.
McMeal at McDonalds (or Equivalent Combo Meal) 3. 42 $.
2. 65.
4. 31.
Domestic Beer (0. 5 liter draught) 1. 03 $.
0. 76.
1. 40.
Imported Beer (0. 33 liter bottle) 1. 70 $.
1. 35.
2. 02.
Cappuccino (regular) 1. 30 $.
1. 00.
1. 72.
Coke / Pepsi (0. 33 liter bottle) 0. 68 $.
0. 46.
0. 95.
Water (0. 33 liter bottle) 0. 42 $.
0. 34.
0. 60.
Milk (regular), (1 liter) 0. 75 $.
0. 60.
0. 93.
Loaf of Fresh White Bread (500 g) 0. 36 $.
0. 30.
0. 43.
Rice (white), (1 kg) 1. 05 $.
0. 89.
1. 28.
Eggs (12) 1. 05 $.
0. 85.
1. 26.
Local Cheese (1 kg) 5. 66 $.
4. 49.
6. 83.
Chicken Breasts (Boneless, Skinless), (1 kg) 3. 13 $.
2. 49.
4. 00.
Apples (1 kg) 0. 89 $.
0. 66.
1. 10.
Oranges (1 kg) 1. 36 $.
1. 07.
1. 53.
Tomato (1 kg) 1. 70 $.
1. 07.
2. 13.
Potato (1 kg) 0. 45 $.
0. 32.
0. 78.
Lettuce (1 head) 0. 81 $.
0. 55.
1. 10.
Water (1. 5 liter bottle) 0. 55 $.
0. 44.
0. 64.
Bottle of Wine (Mid-Range) 3. 67 $.
2. 97.
5. 02.
Domestic Beer (0. 5 liter bottle) 0. 60 $.
0. 50.
0. 70.
Imported Beer (0. 33 liter bottle) 1. 24 $.
1. 00.
1. 49.
Pack of Cigarettes (Marlboro) 1. 28 $.
1. 08.
1. 46.
Transportation.
One-way Ticket (Local Transport) 0. 22 $.
0. 17.
0. 25.
Monthly Pass (Regular Price) 9. 64 $.
8. 19.
12.56.
Taxi Start (Normal Tariff) 2. 22 $.
1. 58.
2. 85.
Taxi 1 km (Normal Tariff) 0. 26 $.
0. 22.
0. 37.
Taxi 1 hour Waiting (Normal Tariff) 3. 46 $.
2. 67.
4. 63.
Here is another link showing Kiev to be the cheapest in 2015 ,again as a guide only.
http://www.priceoftravel.com/1979/european-backpacker-index/.
Transportation: 4. 00.
Meals: 192.00.
Drinks / Entertainment: 96.00.
Attractions: 10.00.
Daily Backpacker Index: UHR385.00 = US $24.32/ day.
As for escorts, if you budget on a a max of US $100 per girl, then you can stay just within your budget of US $1000.
LOL. Why not take a second mortgage and splash out a bit?
So I am planning a 4 days travel to Kiev but I need some infos.
I saw that airplane ticket + hotel dnipro or Podol Plaza or Black Sea Hotel for example will cost me between 650 and 700 $.
These hotels are really good for the price.
How much should I count for food (restaurants), transports, souvenirs, and 4 escorts (one each day).
All in all how much should be my budget apart the hotel and airplane ticket prices?
Can I do all inclusive under 1000 $?
Podol Plaza, Black Sea Hotel is girl friendly?http://www.priceoftravel.com/152/ukraine/kiev-prices
Starting from the airport and back again. Bear in mind price adjustments.
So I am planning a 4 days travel to Kiev but I need some infos.
I saw that airplane ticket + hotel dnipro or Podol Plaza or Black Sea Hotel for example will cost me between 650 and 700 $.
These hotels are really good for the price.
How much should I count for food (restaurants), transports, souvenirs, and 4 escorts (one each day).
All in all how much should be my budget apart the hotel and airplane ticket prices?
Can I do all inclusive under 1000 $?
Podol Plaza, Black Sea Hotel is girl friendly?Apologies. I missed reading " apart " above. I thought you meant US $1000 inclusive of hotel &flight and daily expenses +escorts.
US $1000 for 4 days can be done easily, unless you splash money on high priced escorts.
Here is a good guide which you can follow online. http://www.inyourpocket.com/ukraine/kyiv.
http://www.inyourpocket.com/ukraine/kyiv/nightlife/adultentertainment.
Read as much as you can and get tips from Lonely Planet Ukraine, Virtualtourist. Com, re your non escorts questions.
The key is to read here going back previous pages, plan ahead & list the places you want to go to. Eat, drink.
Some intolerant posters might tell you to RTFF, Read the fucking pages. LOL.
So I am planning a 4 days travel to Kiev but I need some infos.
I saw that airplane ticket + hotel dnipro or Podol Plaza or Black Sea Hotel for example will cost me between 650 and 700 $.
These hotels are really good for the price.
How much should I count for food (restaurants), transports, souvenirs, and 4 escorts (one each day).
All in all how much should be my budget apart the hotel and airplane ticket prices?
Can I do all inclusive under 1000 $?
I usually find few tips whilst doing research as I am always on the look out for new places away from the tourist trail. Here is a guide to the kind of Ukrainian food & Restaurants with their sites.
So you can check their prices, if they do bother to adjust them. But you can still get an an idea straight from the Horse's mouth.
http://kiev4tourists.com/Restaurants.html
http://kiev4tourists.com/FoodandDrink.html.
As for a Souvenir, Why not take back with you an Escort?? LOL.
Or better still & cheaper follow Limarian's advise here, if you are based in the west.
" "For sad single middle aged men this is a lifetime chance to find a genuinely nice girl that you could never have in the west. Do some unhappy trapped massage girl a favour and rescue her from a life of unappreciated drudgery in some salon in a corrupt and vulnerable country. Get her a visa and bring her back. Even if it lasts just a few years you will have had a nice pick me up for your ego. ".
HunterDave
04-09-15, 05:15
I made a short notice business trip to Kiev. I was there for 7 days. I saw no change to how life was in Kiev compared to a few years ago, but several brought up the war in the East. Safety was never a concern for me, but then I normally hang near the city center in well-lit, populated areas, am with a hottie, and try to get my dates back to my place by 1 or 2 AM for some private time unless we go to a club and then back to my place by taxi. I used Absolute taxi to call for taxi a few times since they sometimes have an English speaking dispatcher. If you are with a girl, best to let her call for the taxi, since you might get a better rate if she orders the taxi for you both.
Exchange rate was 25 grivna to the dollar. Do not exchange at the airport, because they will try to gouge you at 24 to 1, but if you need to have some grivna to get to the center, pick your poison. Apartment rental was less than $50 per night just off Baseina Street. I paid with CC for first night and then paid remainder in grivna / dollars. This was a good call because the CC exchange rate on the first night was 21.5 rather than 25 to 1 dollar. When you get to the center search several exchange kiosk to check their rates before you trade in your dollars or Euros. There is a slight difference with a few kiosks compared to others. I had to get a new Life sim card because I learned that if no use on a sim card in 12 months it will not work. Cost for new sim (at cell phone store in Besarabsky Square) was 15 grivna. No wonder all these girls have several phones to talk because they can set up several Mamba profiles. Hence easy for the agencies to get many numbers. Mongerers beware!
I bought groceries in grocery store in basement of Mandarin Plaza (wine, water, soda, beer, snacks) and it cost less than $10. Great prices!
I used Mamba exclusively to line up my meetings. I had been talking with several hotties for months. Try to chat up with them, get there numbers and make sure you see several other photos of them to make sure they are not working for an agency. I met 10 new girls and can say that only one was not the real Mamba girl. A few were in late 20's and 2 were 31 and 32 but hot! Most were college girls or recently graduated 22 and 23 year olds. I knew when she baulked about showing me more photos, but the 2 photos on the Mamba site she showed were this blue-eyed brunette hottie that I wanted to see and have. Unfortunately the girl that showed was a blonde, nice body but not my type. I was between a lunch meeting and dinner with 2 different girls, so I passed and gave her 50 grivna and showed her the door. So with some extra work to verify the girls were as shown in their mamba photos (plus other photos sent via email or on viber) 9 out of 10 girls as shown on Mamba was a very good percentage. I met 3 of these girls multiple times. They kept SMSing, or calling me to meet. Most were college girls looking for tuition or rent help, and with the economy on the skids, I thought it best to 'contribute' to higher education in Ukraine. I call it my 'trickle-up' theory. I help support the girls in need and they provided me with GF support and great sex for a few hours or the whole night for some great lovemaking and some good massages. With the economy on the skids, I never paid more than $100 per visit, a few for several hours for as low as 1500 and 2000 grivna. I had 2 stay the night and they both came back later in the week for seconds, and more tuition / rent help. I happily obliged. The others stayed at least 3 hours. There was one hottie, a 23 year old brunette that took a few 'dates' to warm up. She wanted to play hard to get before she acquiesced. Several nice dinners and visits to art institute, going to the Opera (very nice and affordable 3rd row from front for $10 per ticket was a steal), go carting and ice skating rink, warmed her up and eventually back to my place. Took 3 dates, but well worth the wait. I guess I paid for it indirectly, but taking a good looking girl out in Kiev, on your arm and all over you in public was my fountain of youth and makes you feel good, horny and young. While some inflation was inevitable for the Kiev economy, prices are still low with the 25 to 1 exchange rate, you can really have some great meals and impress the hotties. It was a great trip and the weather is improving and the short little skirts and summer dresses will be out in force. I look forward to my next visit to Kiev.
Live long and monger!
Hunter Dave
I usually find few tips whilst doing research as I am always on the look out for new places away from the tourist trail. Here is a guide to the kind of Ukrainian food & Restaurants with their sites.
So you can check their prices, if they do bother to adjust them. But you can still get an an idea straight from the Horse's mouth.
http://kiev4tourists.com/Restaurants.html
http://kiev4tourists.com/FoodandDrink.html.
As for a Souvenir, Why not take back with you an Escort?? LOL.
Or better still & cheaper follow Limarian's advise here, if you are based in the west.
" "For sad single middle aged men this is a lifetime chance to find a genuinely nice girl that you could never have in the west. Do some unhappy trapped massage girl a favour and rescue her from a life of unappreciated drudgery in some salon in a corrupt and vulnerable country. Get her a visa and bring her back. Even if it lasts just a few years you will have had a nice pick me up for your ego. ".Hello Jojosun.
With all due respect, the costs can creep up on you. I would advise "TheWhatever" to budget for at least $ 1500, all inclusive. The girls will be asking you for taxi money and the like. You still need to eat and drink. If you don't spend it, great. Better to plan to ahead to avoid the surprises. Some of the t-shirts you buy on the Kreschatyk are quite affordable, but are of low quality. My favorite souvenir is the Vladimir Putin toilet paper.
FiddyCent.
Hello Jojosun.
With all due respect, the costs can creep up on you. I would advise "TheWhatever" to budget for at least $ 1500, all inclusive. The girls will be asking you for taxi money and the like. You still need to eat and drink. If you don't spend it, great. Better to plan to ahead to avoid the surprises. Some of the t-shirts you buy on the Kreschatyk are quite affordable, but are of low quality. My favorite souvenir is the Vladimir Putin toilet paper.
FiddyCent" The whatever" was asking the prices for an escort one a day for 4 days. HunterDave latest report confirms US $ 100 the max he paid "" With the economy on the skids, I never paid more than $100 per visit, a few for several hours for as low as 1500 and 2000 grivna. I had 2 stay the night and they both came back later in the week for seconds, and more tuition / rent help." So this works out at US $400 max for escorts.
Taxi money for escorts? I only paid escorts Taxi money when I wanted to send them away as rejects, then I paid UAH 50.
Again reading HunterDave's report he paid the same for Taxi money for sending one away " Unfortunately the girl that showed was a blonde, nice body but not my type. I was between a lunch meeting and dinner with 2 different girls, so I passed and gave her 50 grivna and showed her the door. " I guess with inflation maybe it should be UAH100.
4 escorts one a day for 4 days= US $400. This leaves "Whatever" with US $ 600 to eat&drink for 4 days =$150 a day.
If he sticks to reasonable places to eat&drink and not going to fancy places, then I would have thought its quite doable within his budget of US $ 1000 for 4 days. .
But then again, each to their own, different tastes, different budgets.
Cheers
Hello Jojosun.
With all due respect, the costs can creep up on you. I would advise "TheWhatever" to budget for at least $ 1500, all inclusive. The girls will be asking you for taxi money and the like. You still need to eat and drink. If you don't spend it, great. ..
FiddyCent.FC. Jogged my memory re costs eat& drink. Every now & again I go veggie. Last time I was in Kiev before the problems started, I mentioned this to my UA female companion at the time. She took me to this place in Kiev.
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g294474-d2573450-r170984610-Beirut_Expr
The food was great so was the atmosphere and I remember it was quite reasonable as well. She told me many Ukrainian girls who worked in Cyprus, Lebanon, Israel, on their return to Kiev, head there to get a taste of the middle eastern food which they acquired a taste for.
I see "Whatever " is from that part of the world reading his posts, so I guess that would be a suitable venue for him to visit with a girl on his arm, playing on his own turf.
The restaurant is part of a chain with many branches in upmarket areas of London.
TheWhatever
04-09-15, 15:51
FC. Jogged my memory re costs eat& drink. Every now & again I go veggie. Last time I was in Kiev before the problems started, I mentioned this to my UA female companion at the time. She took me to this place in Kiev.
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g294474-d2573450-r170984610-Beirut_Expr
The food was great so was the atmosphere and I remember it was quite reasonable as well. She told me many Ukrainian girls who worked in Cyprus, Lebanon, Israel, on their return to Kiev, head there to get a taste of the middle eastern food which they acquired a taste for.
I see "Whatever " is from that part of the world reading his posts, so I guess that would be a suitable venue for him to visit with a girl on his arm, playing on his own turf.
The restaurant is part of a chain with many branches in upmarket areas of London.Well Ukrainian girls over here (Lebanon) are generally not premium choice, and they stay till they reach 30 years old.
A good looking Ukrainian escort will take 200 $ everytime you take her to hotel, if you want her overnight I think she can ask for 600 $.
That's why they stay here till they get lot of money before returning to Kiev, meanwhile they get fat because of Lebanese food and old (in the escort world).
So the last girls I want to meet in Kiev are the ones who come from my country.
I heard a very nice looking girl take only 50 $ for 1 to 2 hours at Kiev? That's what I understood from girls over Mamba.
Hello Jojosun.
With all due respect, the costs can creep up on you. I would advise "TheWhatever" to budget for at least $ 1500, all inclusive. The girls will be asking you for taxi money and the like. You still need to eat and drink. If you don't spend it, great. Better to plan to ahead to avoid the surprises. Some of the t-shirts you buy on the Kreschatyk are quite affordable, but are of low quality. My favorite souvenir is the Vladimir Putin toilet paper.
FiddyCent.Back again after a very short break. You would think I am the fucking accountant for " the whatever" guy in trying to save him the cents, LOL.
But threads on here get addictive sometimes and I just get carried away. Hopefully it stimulates the discussion and get new tips and indeas.
New site for me anyway giving costs (Updated) for 3 Star travel in Kiev per day and the relevant costs. .
http://www.priceoftravel.com/2427/europe-3-star-traveler-index/
Price of Travel's European 3-star Index for 2015.
Currency: Ukraine Hryvnia.
Cheap / good 3-star hotel: Sunday Apart Hotel – 307.75/ night.
Transportation: 50.00.
Meals: 260.00.
Drinks / Entertainment: 150.00.
Attractions: 10.00.
Daily 3-star Traveler Index: UHR777.75 – US $46.35/ day.
Costs for each city.
One night in the cheapest 3-star hotel available with a desirable central location and mostly positive reviews. Hotel prices are per person based on double occupancy, so the full nightly rate is double what is listed for each city here.
Two 3-kilometer taxi rides per day (one ride paid per person).
One cultural attraction, such as a popular museum, per day.
Three meals per day using the top end of the range of our "budget meals" for each city.
Three beers (or wine) each day as an "entertainment fund. " Non-drinkers might have dessert and coffee or attend a local music pe.
Bear in mind the cost above includes the hotel price per person, so sole occupancy at that hotel Sunday Apart Hotel should be more. .
If you double the costs above $46.35 per day. Then its still under $100 per day.
Another interesting discussion here on how much you need for a week in Ukraine?
And you get different answers. http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g294474-i3663-k7977756-1_week_in_Ukraine_how.
1 week in Ukraine, how much money do I need.
"" 02 December 2014,23:20.
To give you idea, I can represent some median prices in Kiev, most expensive Ukrainian city, as for today. Prices are in US dollars;.
BigMac $1. 65.
Underground $0. 13 per ride.
Local draught beer from $0. 60 to $1. 70 per 1/2 l = 17 FL. Oz.
Taxi flagfall $2, included first 4 km = 2. 5 mi.
Bus ride within city $0. 10 to $0. 30.
One-bed apartment with kitchenette and washing machine from about $17 per 24 hrs.
Taxi, accommodation prices will double if you do not have local friend to bargain for you. This is not because local people are unfriendly (rather opposite), but because english-speaking persons are rare, and there is a little "caste" of english-speaking service providers who appreciate themselves quite highly. In other words, local taxi driver will be happy to bring you for $2, but will certainly not understand where you want to go. And there will be another guy, who will understand you well but demand $5. ".
"06 December 2014,13:44.
Hi, I was Just there a few weeks ago. I spent less than 1000.00 USD. But I was visiting with a couple friends and had a place to stay. If you plan on doing a lot I would take at least a couple thousand. That should be more than enough for 1 week. ".
Well Ukrainian girls over here (Lebanon) are generally not premium choice, and they stay till they reach 30 years old.
A good looking Ukrainian escort will take 200 $ everytime you take her to hotel, if you want her overnight I think she can ask for 600 $.
That's why they stay here till they get lot of money before returning to Kiev, meanwhile they get fat because of Lebanese food and old (in the escort world).
So the last girls I want to meet in Kiev are the ones who come from my country.
I heard a very nice looking girl take only 50 $ for 1 to 2 hours at Kiev? That's what I understood from girls over Mamba.If you have found " a very nice looking girl for one to 2 hours in Kiev take only $50 " , then she isn't a hardened hooker or working for an agency, probably a semi pro or a student in need, or you were able to charm her Online and she liked your looks and chat lines.
But proof of the Pudding is in the Eating, Go there, Fuck her and come back& share your experience on this forum.
As for your comments above re UA girls in Lebanon "A good looking Ukrainian escort will take 200 $ every time you take her to hotel, if you want her overnight I think she can ask for 600 $."
It doesn't sound too bad as Gia escorts being high priced escorts in Kiev charge US $200 an hour, and for all Night its more expensive (US $750) than what you quoted.
http://gia-escort.com/girl/ksusha4
A good looking UA girl will ask US $200 & more if you meet them in places like Buddha Bar Or the'Lux club or other top clubs.
Start working Mamba for semi pros, or freebies well before you land in Kiev, that said, you might end up spending more than the US $ 50 being cash in their hands.
Well Ukrainian girls over here (Lebanon) are generally not premium choice, and they stay till they reach 30 years old.
A good looking Ukrainian escort will take 200 $ everytime you take her to hotel, if you want her overnight I think she can ask for 600 $.
I heard a very nice looking girl take only 50 $ for 1 to 2 hours at Kiev? That's what I understood from girls over Mamba.Here is a link to top models. Take a chance as there are plenty of girls from US $12 /=UAH 300 an hour, read one pop. I wouldn't know?
http://sexkiev.net/blog/tag/top-models-com-ua
Hi!
I will be in Kiev for a couple of weeks later in spring / summer. I checked out apartments and they seem to be same price as last year in USD which in practice, to me, will be 30% more than last year due to the raise of dollar. Strange that grivna is cheaper but still more expensive to rent because of dollar price.
Actually the not very good but absolutely OK hotels (Dnipro, Ukraine, Rus are the ones I have used before) now seems to be cheaper than apartments with a starting price at about 35 USD.
I have several times used and basically been happy with.
http://www.kievapts.com
But now I think prices seems to be a bit high to say the least. I wouldn't want to pay more than around 50 USD, preferable below 50 USD at current dollar rate, a night for a stay of a week or more.
I just made a fast search and seemed to see similar prices at a couple of other companies.
Anyone knows if there are companies having apartments getting down to 50 USD for good apartments (a couple of the absolutely cheapest at Kiev apts are around that but don't look to good to me) in center or have the prices just sky rocketed for everyone but US citizens?
Or maybe I should see if I can get somewhat better price than at web as regular customer? Perhaps I could try?
Grateful for any recommendations on where to search for good / price apartments with trustworthy service.
Hi!
I will be in Kiev for a couple of weeks later in spring / summer. I checked out apartments and they seem to be same price as last year in USD which in practice, to me, will be 30% more than last year due to the raise of dollar. Strange that grivna is cheaper but still more expensive to rent because of dollar price.
Actually the not very good but absolutely OK hotels (Dnipro, Ukraine, Rus are the ones I have used before) now seems to be cheaper than apartments with a starting price at about 35 USD.
I have several times used and basically been happy with.
http://www.kievapts.com
But now I think prices seems to be a bit high to say the least. I wouldn't want to pay more than around 50 USD, preferable below 50 USD at current dollar rate, a night for a stay of a week or more.
I just made a fast search and seemed to see similar prices at a couple of other companies...Try these guys, prices start from around $15 for a studio apartment and $25 for 1 bedroom, I used them a few weeks ago and they seem fine https://kiev-apartmentrental.com.
Hi Tuggen,
Did you check with the price by sending them email? I just booked a apartment two weeks ago. The price I got was 20% lower than the value shown in the webpage.
Hi!
I will be in Kiev for a couple of weeks later in spring / summer. I checked out apartments and they seem to be same price as last year in USD which in practice, to me, will be 30% more than last year due to the raise of dollar. Strange that grivna is cheaper but still more expensive to rent because of dollar price.
Actually the not very good but absolutely OK hotels (Dnipro, Ukraine, Rus are the ones I have used before) now seems to be cheaper than apartments with a starting price at about 35 USD.
I have several times used and basically been happy with.
http://www.kievapts.com
But now I think prices seems to be a bit high to say the least. I wouldn't want to pay more than around 50 USD, preferable below 50 USD at current dollar rate, a night for a stay of a week or more.
I just made a fast search and seemed to see similar prices at a couple of other companies..
AColonizer
04-15-15, 13:49
And which are the hassle-free areas in Kiev from riots and Russian terrorists?
And which are the hassle-free areas in Kiev from riots and Russian terrorists?There're no riots and Russian terrorists in Kiev It's way more safer than south side Chicago.
Because of the holidays in May prices for apartments are higher. Check airbnb and dobovo also. You can find good apartments for 40 $ per night.
Hi!
I will be in Kiev for a couple of weeks later in spring / summer. I checked out apartments and they seem to be same price as last year in USD which in practice, to me, will be 30% more than last year due to the raise of dollar. Strange that grivna is cheaper but still more expensive to rent because of dollar price.
Actually the not very good but absolutely OK hotels (Dnipro, Ukraine, Rus are the ones I have used before) now seems to be cheaper than apartments with a starting price at about 35 USD.
I have several times used and basically been happy with.
http://www.kievapts.com
But now I think prices seems to be a bit high to say the least. I wouldn't want to pay more than around 50 USD, preferable below 50 USD at current dollar rate, a night for a stay of a week or more.
I just made a fast search and seemed to see similar prices at a couple of other companies..
Because of the holidays in May prices for apartments are higher. Check airbnb and dobovo also. You can find good apartments for 40 $ per night.True I found one that looks good around that price, anyone else that plan to go to Kiev in May?
Best regards.
Owarunner.
Hi!
I will be in Kiev for a couple of weeks later in spring / summer. I checked out apartments and they seem to be same price as last year in USD which in practice, to me, will be 30% more than last year due to the raise of dollar. Strange that grivna is cheaper but still more expensive to rent because of dollar price.
Actually the not very good but absolutely OK hotels (Dnipro, Ukraine, Rus are the ones I have used before) now seems to be cheaper than apartments with a starting price at about 35 USD.
I have several times used and basically been happy with.
http://www.kievapts.com
But now I think prices seems to be a bit high to say the least. I wouldn't want to pay more than around 50 USD, preferable below 50 USD at current dollar rate, a night for a stay of a week or more.
I just made a fast search and seemed to see similar prices at a couple of other companies...I've used kievappts many times going to Kiev for myself and colleagues. Appartments are clean, well maintained, and usually good value for money. The company itself is reliable (will pick you up and drive you to airport). No complaints.
Jelly Donut
04-18-15, 02:42
Does anyone know the current daily limit on withdrawals from Kiev ATMs?
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